OT: the next George Sodini.
Tragic shit. His video about his plan is like every cartoony stereotype about beta male frustration rolled into one, to the point where I would just think it was a parody/joke…except that he actually went out on a killing spree.
The saddest part is that this kid is decent looking, clearly well off financially, like, there’s no reason for this to have happened if he had simply gotten some help and started taking action. I probably could’ve gotten this kid laid by some cute blondes in under a year easy. I read that he was subscribed to some pickup channels (including RSD lol) which means that he was AWARE of game concepts and such…but I would guess that he didn’t actually go out and APPLY them and try them out and actually get long-term coaching/mentorship and help (which he could definitely afford if just posting Field Reports for free advice wasn’t enough for him).
The MSM will tool pickup and paint it as this horrible evil thing and then call this kid some loser who feels entitled to hot blonde pussy and drop the usual feminist snark about “like kissing a girl is going to help this psycho” and it’s like you know what? It actually MIGHT.
Hugh Hefner isn’t about to go on a killing spree. I’ve watched a bunch of guys mellow out after they started getting some success with women, even minor success.
Like Tyler says in one of his videos “it’s funny how many mental problems and depression and anger issues suddenly “go away” once a guy starts getting laid. WEIRD.” lol
I always find it fascinating that society will be completely against this kid going to find help to learn how to talk to girls and be fun and cool and social and charismatic, but they’d be cool with him going to a personal trainer to get in shape, or to Toastmasters to learn to speak in front of audiences confidently, or to vocal coaches to learn to speak well, or to improv class to learn to be witty…but if you combine all those things together and add in “plus we’re going to focus this all toward getting laid” suddenly everybody loses their mind.
Like what do they expect this kid to do? 22yo, virgin, money to burn, but fuck him getting any help. Let’s shame him. What he SHOULD do is just live out the next 60 years of his life as a frustrated incel and accept that he’s a loser on the bottom run of society. Let’s all just ignore him and turn our backs and laugh and expect him to stay where he is and be happy being nothing and being invisible and frustrated and shame him if he tries to get any help to improve his position in life. Men are disposable, the only men that exist to feminists are the rich CEOs…the frustrated incel kid who’s contemplating a future of sexual frustration and depression is as invisible to them as the guy working in a coal mine or as a sewage worker just barely paying his rent, alimony and child support. Those guys just don’t “exist” to women.
And then they’re surprised when those guys crack and lash out. Who could see THAT coming? Anyone who was paying attention, really.
Anyway, this is a tragic example of what happens when frustration with the Blue Pill builds up and a guy doesn’t take action. That’s why I have mad respect for the guys who are out there sarging and actually experiencing that getting shot down isn’t the end of the world and slowly learning to be more charismatic and attractive and getting bits of success here and there. Like, good on you…’cause just having access to the information isn’t enough. You have to actually take action and live it for it to help you. Even last night I saw some lame guys that I can tell are “pickup newbies” who were out hoping to try to talk to some girls and like, ya they weren’t cool guys and I’m probably not going to become their BFF or anything, but like, good on them for at least getting out there and trying. And if I saw one of them checking out some specific girl he was into but was clearly too nervous to talk to I’d probably introduce her to him and run away and help him out just ’cause hey, he showered up and came out to try so I can respect that.
In my own case, I don’t think I would’ve ended up like this kid (and I was a kissless dateless virgin longer than him lol). I’ve met guys who I DO worry that “wow this guy is going to snap and shoot up his office one day if he doesn’t get laid soon”, but for myself I was like how the guy in 40 Year Old Virgin describes it where there comes a point where you just accept it and it doesn’t frustrate you anymore because that’s just how life is. I didn’t have enough confidence or any of society’s list of external attributes that are attractive to expect success with girls. So I just accepted my place in life and that girls just weren’t interested in me, some guys have it and some don’t, and that I was a guy who just didn’t have it. So I wasn’t full of pent up anger and frustration because I didn’t feel like I actually deserved anything. But I was definitely in danger of going down the 40 Year Old Virgin road where I would’ve basically become that character lol
This whole situ is part of why I spend as much time writing about this shit as I do. ’cause I know this stuff helps, and has probably helped a few lurkers that I’ll never even know existed, get their shit together and get off a negative spiral and start on a journey toward a better life. It’s also why I’m happy when other people get laid at the bar and I’ll introduce random beta/AFC looking guys to random girls, because I know that even that one 2 minute interaction with the girl that doesn’t even go anywhere is probably the highlight of that dude’s year and who knows what that’s going to start in his mind when he realizes “hey, you know what, maybe I CAN talk to girls when I’m out…”
This kind of stuff always blows my mind. I have to admit, every time I see a dude who has his shit together — muscular, rich, educated, etc. whatever —who is failing to get laid, like….I never think I will comprehend it. But it exists, and depressed guys who have their shit together exist, too. Maybe the more normal ones will refrain from shooting up a school…but they’re still suffering.
‘Men seem to be much more romantic and sentimental than the women I see’
I think a lot of men are chasing after their mother’s love or something like it, because that’s what men get sold. Look at all media….the guys are always fuckups who have to be totally taken care of by a strong independent woman or whatever.
Yep. These facts are simply obvious and can be “derived” by any person with an average IQ just by observing the world.
In the 1950s, our 25-year-old average woman:
1. was thin and did her best to be pretty and pleasing to her man
2. was married to her first partner, who courted her starting in high school or at age 19 or so (her only prior sexual experience prior to her husband might have been fooling around in the back of a car or under the bleachers at the high school football game)
3. had lots of sex with her one and only husband.
In today’s world, almost everyone, even hot women, most men, and even all but the TOP YaReally players, endures dry spells that are longer than happily married couples had from the age of 20-35 back in the 1950s and even 1960s and 70s (for those who were married).
The beta strategy of settling for more overall sex (with one woman) is actually a sound strategy, if the woman will cooperate…… but it’s risking divorce theft after 5 to 7 years in today’s world where the divorce fantasy is whispered into her ear by her friends and shouted at her with a megaphone by MSM TV and media.
‘ had lots of sex with her one and only husband.’
I don’t understand why you think this is a given. Just because society pressured women into marrying, by and large, betas != women were ever happy or content with betas.
“I posted about how this young pretty girl blew me off and he was like “what do you offer her? she’s in her prime,” but he was thinking only of the muh dick get laid strategy. Actually, I’m beta enough that what I offer her is MARRIAGE if only she’d be nice to me.”
What you’re saying is the equivalent of a fat chick saying “why doesn’t Brad Pitt want to fuck me?? Sure I’m fat and disgusting but I’m offering SEX. God, if only he’d be attracted to me he could get laid!”
You don’t want sex from a fat chick, cause you can get sex from better. She doesn’t want your beta bucks because she can get that from better.
Would you opine that even a 30 year old single mother on eharmony (the marriage site where they are REALLY looking for beta bux) is up for becoming a fuck buddy if my game were tight enough?
Because it’s like they EXPECT you are expecting to be beta provider by being on eharmony.
I have two HB10s (they are stunning, physically) who are interested in me (one is 28 and the other 30 years old), both claim to be very Catholic (lzozoozozlzo other guys got to impregnate them outside of marriage (well one was married but got divorced)but new beta provider must wait for marriage) and openly state they are looking for a husband.
Is it possible to game them? Like they expect dinnerview dates. I flat told one I don’t do dinnerviews and she seems shocked. You would not waste your time, but remember I don’t go out much and don’t meet people anymore other than online.
Met the first one and just walked around talked.. I need to kino big time on the next meeting. I don’t know if she’ll be shocked like that Tyler video because I’m a provider or will she be pleasantly surprised and get the twinkle in her eye?
Lol your game does not have to be that tight to make a single mother a FB. They crave anything that even resembles alpha because they want to feel desirable. Most of the guys who give them attention are startlingly/nauseatingly beta.
‘ Like they expect dinnerview dates.’
The single mom — aka she who will not be named — from last fall, I did none of that with. So….
If I were you, don’t even approach or interact with them with that frame. Go hard alpha. It’ll remind them of when they were younger and unsaddled with children I bet.
Providers and Lovers do not offer the same thing to women, so they aren’t competing against eachother. 99% of guys she’s talking to are offering Provider shit. Be the guy who’s offering Lover shit and you aren’t even competing in the same race as them. I don’t have a car or money or jacked looks or anything…most of the girls I’m with have dated and are orbited by and regularly hit on by guys who have all that shit. Why do they go for me (and usually keep those guys on the side because hey, free presents, and they don’t even have to put out, these guys will drop ridiculous cash on them just for a bit of attention lol)? Because I’m offering something none of those guys is offering: fun, flirting, a range of emotions, and good sex. I’m not running the same race as them, so they literally aren’t competition for me.
It’s not about being a “loser”, it’s about understanding what women really value and providing THAT instead of what mainstream social conditioning has told you women value and trying to compete with all these guys at Providing that (a competition you can’t win because there will always be another guy who’s richer, taller, better-looking, has a nicer car, etc. than you. Always).
She does NEED that other shit, but there are dozens of guys offering her that. None of those guys is offering her a hot sexy fantasy adventure.
Take yourself out of the Provider race and run the Lover race, because you have basically no competition there…feminism and mainstream social conditioning has made damn sure of that lol
This could just be me and let me know if it is.
For me and the good majority of my friends I find that we end up chasing girls. Even the alphas don’t have girls chasing them so much. I don’t get this it seems more naturally that a guy has the girl chasing him but I rarely see high smv girls chasing.
Do you just wait in this limbo until a girl chases you? It just seems rather bizarre how I haven’t seen very many guys get chased by a girl ever really. And the good 20+ friends are somewhat high smv guys
Girls don’t chase when they know they can have you. Even Naturals don’t play that hard to get.
To make a girl really truly chase, you have to mindfuck her. Give her amazing emotions and addict her to them like a drug and then take them away. And give her just enough to keep her hooked and keep taking it away. And take it away for completely arbitrary reasons and then make her earn it back in completely arbitrary ways (investing) etc.
I know a Natural guy who used to do this all the time with different girls. He was a bit twisted but he had hot girls following him down the street crying and begging (fucking embarrassing/depressing to watch) for him to give them another chance etc. Lots of crying and drama and shit involved.
He was good, he got laid more than anyone I’ve ever seen, but I didn’t envy the drama it all came with lol
I use a bit of it but just enough to get a girl back in line if it seems like she’s flaking too much or takes me for granted and then I drop it. So I use it more like a minor punishment and just use as much as is necessary. He used it hardcore and took it to the extremes to entertain himself (and appease his own need for validation) lol
Here’s an example of the kind of tactic that makes them chase:
The problem with most guys is the girls KNOW that if they snapped their finger the guy would happily whip his dick out. Esp if she’s high SMV. Even if he hasn’t given any indication that he WOULD, she ASSUMES it because she’s high SMV and to her that’s how the world works.
So to even stand out as a guy who won’t chase her, you have to actively instigate situations that demonstrate that, and that’s just to get on her radar as a possible challenge. From there you have to hold your frame against hers (she has a lifetime of reference experience that she’s the shit and thousands of guys chase her, and most guys have maybe 1-3 experiences in their like of girls chasing them) through all her testing, and then you have to ACTIVELY TURN DOWN her pussy a few times lol which is way beyond most guy’s level of self-control. Around THAT point is where a high SMV girl will chase you.
So ya, you won’t see it often. Cause very few guys can successfully navigate that gauntlet. Even Naturals (hell, if anything Naturals tend to be even more emotionally reactive and willing to jump when she first offers).
‘And take it away for completely arbitrary reasons and then make her earn it back in completely arbitrary ways (investing) etc.’
Ohhhh so that’s why the weird push/pull stuff I was doing seemed to work….even though it came from a bad place.
This is a FB-management question. So, up until now, my whole thing has been to just shutup and do whatever. Light, breezy…keep things sexual, don’t talk about her day, etc. This one in particular, I’ve followed the ‘don’t see more than once a week’ rule.
This situ represents what I’m starting to run into:
8 gets an invite or free ticket to something (pretty insane how they can live awesome lives for free), I can’t really afford it so I just say ‘nah, can’t go.’ Then, when I get more distant (because I’m busy trying to plan for someone else on that night), they poke and prod about why I’m distant.
My go-to has just been ‘ya just a little bummed at the situation.’ I notice I do shit like this (and I also guilt chicks about shit that I know would be a big deal to other guys, but isn’t really a big deal to me, but it allows me an excuse to be aloof and distant…so it’s push/pull without any neediness — I don’t really care that much and it gives her a small drama fix)…any thoughts on that? Probably healthier ways to push/pull.
Annnnyways, the problem is that I say I’m a little bummed about it. Then, suddenly she’s like ‘well I can not go if you want.’ And I’m quick to be like, ‘nah, I don’t want to control you or anything. Unfair for me to put my expectations on you.’ Then she gets annoyed and is like ‘well I don’t even know what your expectations are. You never say anything about anything. What do you want me to do?’
I dunno wtf this is. Isn’t trying to make rules for a chick beta? Is this a shit test?
I’d love to just tell her what to do, but I don’t really know what the right play is.
Because I recently let go of the other 8 and the 7….this girl’s the only reg I have, so I don’t really want to act out of scarcity, and right now I’m too busy with other shit in my life to go out and actively ‘recruit.’
“My go-to has just been ‘ya just a little bummed at the situation.’ I notice I do shit like this (and I also guilt chicks about shit that I know would be a big deal to other guys, but isn’t really a big deal to me, but it allows me an excuse to be aloof and distant…so it’s push/pull without any neediness — I don’t really care that much and it gives her a small drama fix)…any thoughts on that? Probably healthier ways to push/pull.”
wtf is this. Quit being a wishy-washy vagina. This is what girls do. “no…it’s okay, you go out bowling with your friends, I’ll just sit here at home, alone…no no, you don’t have to stay, it’s okay…SIGH……” You have a dick, yo, quit this emo shit.
“Then she gets annoyed and is like ‘well I don’t even know what your expectations are.”
She’s saying this because you’re being a wishy-washy vagina. If she’s just a fuckbuddy to you, you say “go have fun babe, watch out for drunk creepers lol” If she’s your girlfriend you say “don’t go if you’re not taking your man with you. wtf woman.”
You come off like you’re being a big emo drama queen to her so she’s getting frustrated lol
If you aren’t her boyfriend, you don’t get to make rules. If you want to lay down rules, she’ll want you to be her boyfriend. You don’t get to be her casual fuckbuddy and then guilt-trip her about what she’s up to.
I mean, you can TRY it, and it’ll work here and there, but it’ll inevitably result in this shit you’re having to deal with here where she’s confused and frustrated because she can’t tell what “the plan” is and now you have drama to deal with.
“this girl’s the only reg I have, so I don’t really want to act out of scarcity”
As far as she can tell, you ARE. You don’t sound like you have anything exciting going on. You sound like you’re just sitting at home bummed out moping and crying into your sleeve about not getting to come with her or her having fun without you. Make shit up, tell her “nah, can’t make it, I got work to do woman.” or “sorry already got plans tonight” like you’re doing SOMETHING besides sitting around being unattractive lol
What DO you want from her? Do you even know?
oh oops, reply to ur post is up above for some reason
lol no, the problem is Roosh looks like a homeless person and is too much of a loner to have access to the places where the abundance of hot girls are.
(paraphrasing): “First of all I have to deal with even getting IN the club. This is LA. I never see most of YOU in the clubs I go to. Because most of you can’t get in. Most of you guys go to “general audience” clubs, don’t you. And then you wonder why in a city like LA there’s not a lot of hot women. That’s ’cause all the hot women are where *I* am. ’cause you don’t go to the good clubs.
To get into the good clubs, you have to deal with bullshit. You either pay $2000 for a bottle, or you’re incredibly good looking and fashionable, or you have a group of highly attractive women who will roll into the venue WITH you and even THEN the bouncer will make you go in last and wait like a fucking dog while the girls go in first.”
Roosh is going to shitty bars, like all the other sausages, because he prefers to be a loner instead of building/maintaining social circles that gain him access to the bars with women.
“Either men are restricting their pussy trawling to the night alone, or women are abandoning night venues in droves.”
The men are going to shitty general access bars, and the women are being literally offered TONS of free shit by promoters and all their socially connected Facebook/Twitter/etc. friends to throw on a slutty dress and go to the better clubs. The girls benefit because they’re getting free drinks, free access, skipping lines, bottle service, etc. and the club benefits because it’s full of hot girls which draws in men who spend money. But the men have to pay to get in there and party there because they’re men.
The way around this is through socializing and offering value and befriending people instead of just being a little value-taking troll lurking in the shadows with a buddy trying to pop out and snipe a girl.
I just moved to a new city so I lost all my access to a handful of high-end clubs that were crammed with gorgeous women. I have to start over from scratch, and it’ll take me most of the summer, but by winter I’ll be rolling into bars with 3:1 ratios of girls:guys, without paying…just by building connections and bringing value and good emotions when I go out.
This is the equivalent of saying “I choose to live in the ghetto, why are there all these poor people around???” lol
Nightgame isn’t dying. It’s just shoving in guys’ faces how limited their anti-social value-taking game is. :P
“But the men have to pay to get in there and party there because they’re men.”
Supplication game sounds awesome. Paying to look at women on their turf while they drink your $2,000 bottle of vodka is as alpha as it gets.
Adding value = low T.
‘Someone else has decided what’s popular/cool and you are following the herd and doing whatever’s necessary to get in. Again congrats. I hope the pussy is worth it.’
Ya. Nature. Nature gave me a dick and balls and had them both tell me to try and fuck hot chicks.
lol ‘bro why are you supplicating to your dick and balls? how can you even be a fucking man? you gonna let them decide what’s popular?’
Nah I’m just giving you shit. I see what you’re saying, but the only answer is that if you want to break free of all of that….you have two options — put your ego aside and accept that you aren’t the biggest kid on the block, yet, which means you WILL HAVE TO play the game to get what you want. And if you get good enough, one day it will become easier and you will be able to set some of your own rules etc. etc. Or you can just walk away altogether and settle down with that nice 5.
Humans are social. Social groups have hierarchies. Alphas climb to the top. They don’t just appear there. They win battle after battle after small battle.
If you want to be James Bond, take a look at a James Bond movie. James Bond does walk up and act like a loner badass. THEN HE PROCEEDS TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE ENTIRE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE’S GROUP. Even JB realizes the importance of group dynamics. So unless you are just so tight that you can walk up to a club and DHV so fucking hard that everyone starts sucking your dick…….why not just say ‘I gotta start at square 1?’
Too much drama for me. It definitely works but it doesn’t appeal to me. I get annoyed by them when they get that desperate for me and then I don’t want to bone them anymore lol
I tend to just have some good times and if she gets bored she can move on, no biggie I have others and can get more. I rarely break it off with a girl, I let them go boyfriend up or whatever but they know they can always txt me if they want to start it up again. If they start to get too attached I just see them less and less and wean them off me, but I don’t run into that these days because I don’t give off an “I’ll be your boyfriend” vibe right now. I’m very clearly only for sex lol
It’s a very passive lifestyle where I just do my thing living my life and girls come and go in it, and I just enjoy them and the moments we have when they’re around. Nice and drama free.
I know guys who live like the OP describes and it just doesn’t look appealing to me. No white knight shit, everyone can do what they want, but it doesn’t look like something I’d want to do long term.
The OP’s technique also depends on her personality type. A lot of girls love the drama but certain types will back away from it. Generally those ones kind of self-select, weeding themselves out of the running, though. And that doesnt mean those girls are better or worse. Every guy has a different level of drama he can put up with lol
Shit, I think I had a better point to make but I’m still drunk off wine and pussy from last night lol Lemme try this again:
This tech definitely does work, but it’s not the only way to get the same result. If you dig deeper into what exactly the technique is doing, you can boil it down to basically keeping her in a state of uncertainty about how much she means to you and/or how easily you could replace her if she steps too far out of line.
So it’s not that she’s necessarily responding to the being an asshole part…she’s responding to what being an asshole indicates (that you could replace her and she isn’t the center of your world).
But you can create that same effect in a “nicer” way that isn’t so chaotic and drama-filled and generally negative. Mystery’s freeze-outs are a good example. When a girl has LMR, the way to disarm it is to take away good feelings until she gets with the program. You COULD tell her “get the fuck out” and spray her with a garden hose and that’ll demonstrate “get with the program or I won’t make you feel good feelings anymore”, but you could also simply turn the lights on and idly check your E-Mail completely calm and unreactive, which causes the same “get with the program or I won’t make you feel good feelings anymore” result that she needs to feel.
It’s similar to parenting…some parents yell at their kids and smack them around and stuff to get them to mow the lawn, and ya that can work, but it’s feeding an overall chaotic energy. An alternative to that is the parent/teacher/principle/role-model/etc. who can just look at the kid and shake their head and say “You know, I’m really disappointed in you…” and that shit cuts to the kid’s SOUL and he mows the lawn out of his own embarrassment/guilt over letting that person down.
Both methods result in the lawn being mowed, and both demonstrate to the kid “if you don’t mow the lawn, I’m going to give you bad emotions”, but I prefer the less dramatic method.
The catch, of course, is that the lower drama version of all this is a lot harder to do. It’s easy to bitch a girl out and make her feel like shit when she does something wrong the same way it’s easy to smack a kid around for not mowing the lawn. It takes a lot of self-control and solidifying your frame to NOT get super reactive and to command enough respect from the girl/kid that when you look at them with that look of “you know you’re pushing it right now…”, they willingly shape up and get with the plan.
Like the girls I’m with are alright with me hooking up with other girls or their friends etc. but I don’t have any of the chaotic drama this guy is describing because I’ve worked on my vibe/frame enough that girls simply know they probably can’t win me over and the best they can do is offer as much value as possible and I hope I’ll let them stick around in my life. But they’re in those same “he treats me okay but I’ll always be secondary to his close friends, they’ll always be more important than me” and “if I step out of line I won’t get to feel good emotions anymore” zones that the OP’s girls are in…I’m just achieving that result in a much more chill good-vibes fashion.
Not sure if any of this makes sense lol I’m just word vomiting now, I need to sleep lol
Of course women respond to the tactics in the OP. They are tactics designed to let her know — constantly — that she can be replaced with ease. The problem is that those tactics probably aren’t the best way to do that. Once you get to the point where you can start just adding value for the sake of adding value, your life starts to change and your life just passively lets her know that fact. So you can let your personal guard down a bit and be generous from a place of strength. That’s the ultimate result of having total abundance.
I’m not saying I’m there yet. Now that I (or anyone else really) can score chicks using ‘game,’ the next step is just working on all the other shit inside. The bad societal programming, the bad habits and insecurities. I think this stage is where the OP is, too. Scarcity appears several times in the article: if you don’t do x, you will lose them. It sounds weird, but this summer I kinda want to take a break from chicks and just do some work on myself.
Pretty sure men took on the burden of fatherhood in worse times than these. If you need some motivation, know that I fully plan on having at least 3 kids.