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YaRealy
on April 25, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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These chicks are my bread & butter. They’re the easiest to get attraction from if you’re sharp/witty because they aren’t used to getting one-upped.

Honky Dong: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Honky Dong: Try not to break a sweat then.

Not a big fan of this one. For her to jump on the cocky bait at the end there, she’d have to see you as super high-value and if you were that high-value you wouldn’t be getting that shit-test in the first place.

I predict she would force you back into a chasing from by simply not replying, so the end result is either you have to text her in a few days to get any kind of conversation going again and ruin your “I’m the prize” frame, or you refuse to txt her and she refuses to txt you because she has other options and you just never get the lay because it’s a stalemate. So in terms of strategy, it comes with a big risk of painting yourself into a corner.

I would use something like this:

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.

And use it as a springboard into showing intent. But I tend to use a “go ahead and try to reject me, it’s cute…it won’t work, but it’s cute that you think we aren’t going to have sex. Silly girl” unapolgetically forward frame VS a “force her to chase me” frame. Plus it says that I consider the game fun, not work/frustration.

This txt isn’t going to make her go “omg come over and let me suck your dick”, but the end result is that I can txt her whenever I want after this without losing value if she doesn’t reply, she might reply with a simple “lol” which is a green light to me to keep going, or she might like that I wasn’t phased and send something like “that’s true” and I can go into something like “now if the sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?” and start qualifying her.

Actually I would probably send that after a few min regardless of whether she replies or not lol so it would look like:

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.
(5 min later)
Me: Now if sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?

If she’s giving you shit like she did up above she probably wouldn’t actually qualify herself by saying like “no, I’m amazing” (tho that would tell me it’s on if she did that), but she’d probably agree & amplify with “yup I am” which I would agree & amplify with “that’s what it said on the wall in the men’s room.” etc. etc. either way now we’re talking about sex so it’s all heading toward my goal.

But hey, this is all just mental masturbation ain’t it lol It’s Friday night, go out and grab a # and try some actual txt game. :D


  • Zombie Shane
    on April 25, 2014 at 4:36 pm
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    > “These chicks are my bread & butter.”

    Well thank the Good Lord that you’re deflowering the “Smart Asses”.

    And not the nice girls from the good families.

    Although maybe I shouldn’t be giving you any ideas.


    • Scray
      on April 25, 2014 at 4:54 pm
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      Lol Zombie……..

      sometimes I feel like you are very inexperienced.



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YaRealy
on April 25, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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These chicks are my bread & butter. They’re the easiest to get attraction from if you’re sharp/witty because they aren’t used to getting one-upped.

Honky Dong: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Honky Dong: Try not to break a sweat then.

Not a big fan of this one. For her to jump on the cocky bait at the end there, she’d have to see you as super high-value and if you were that high-value you wouldn’t be getting that shit-test in the first place.

I predict she would force you back into a chasing from by simply not replying, so the end result is either you have to text her in a few days to get any kind of conversation going again and ruin your “I’m the prize” frame, or you refuse to txt her and she refuses to txt you because she has other options and you just never get the lay because it’s a stalemate. So in terms of strategy, it comes with a big risk of painting yourself into a corner.

I would use something like this:

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.

And use it as a springboard into showing intent. But I tend to use a “go ahead and try to reject me, it’s cute…it won’t work, but it’s cute that you think we aren’t going to have sex. Silly girl” unapolgetically forward frame VS a “force her to chase me” frame. Plus it says that I consider the game fun, not work/frustration.

This txt isn’t going to make her go “omg come over and let me suck your dick”, but the end result is that I can txt her whenever I want after this without losing value if she doesn’t reply, she might reply with a simple “lol” which is a green light to me to keep going, or she might like that I wasn’t phased and send something like “that’s true” and I can go into something like “now if the sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?” and start qualifying her.

Actually I would probably send that after a few min regardless of whether she replies or not lol so it would look like:

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.
(5 min later)
Me: Now if sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?

If she’s giving you shit like she did up above she probably wouldn’t actually qualify herself by saying like “no, I’m amazing” (tho that would tell me it’s on if she did that), but she’d probably agree & amplify with “yup I am” which I would agree & amplify with “that’s what it said on the wall in the men’s room.” etc. etc. either way now we’re talking about sex so it’s all heading toward my goal.

But hey, this is all just mental masturbation ain’t it lol It’s Friday night, go out and grab a # and try some actual txt game. :D


  • Zombie Shane
    on April 25, 2014 at 4:36 pm
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    > “These chicks are my bread & butter.”

    Well thank the Good Lord that you’re deflowering the “Smart Asses”.

    And not the nice girls from the good families.

    Although maybe I shouldn’t be giving you any ideas.


    • Scray
      on April 25, 2014 at 4:54 pm
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      Lol Zombie……..

      sometimes I feel like you are very inexperienced.



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Scray
on April 22, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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This is a good post. If only because it shows that some classic ‘positive’ traits can be high value.

side note; so things are going good with these so-called hot, wild chicks. but my strategy of just kinda sticking straight to the classic 16 and remaining ‘mysterious’ (no straight answers about my past, detached unimpressed ‘wow’s when they mention stuff from theirs) is leading to strange results. Confession of love (hey it happens, and I have yet to say it back)….I’m holding off on any commitment by just saying that relationships are a lot of work.

So annnyway, you have this and then she wants to start veering into these weird conversations….like ‘you don’t think I’m a slut, do you?’ my response just a raised eyebrow (like wtf is this conversation)….’because i think you’re kind of slutty.’ silence, me nodding as if to say ‘cool story.’

So it’s this double press of her trying to smoke out if I’m banging other girls, while her offering that she’s faithful to me and simultaneously for some reason NOW needing me to not think she’s a slut. I mean, I don’t care about her past, but I’m not a liar lol….and I just assume that whatever she’s volunteered trying to impress me is like the tip of the iceberg.

What’s happening CH?
Why would a hot chick try to shit test you/impress you with her adventurous sexual history, then when you remain unphased in the face of everything, suddenly want to come across as chaste (or be perceived as chaste)….


  • CH
    on April 22, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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    1. a girl who thinks you’re a player with experience, and who is attracted to you, will try to impress with tales of her adventurous tail, under the assumption that that’s what you want from her. girls who do this aren’t playing a long game, suffice to say.

    2. if she really likes you, and enough time has passed, she’ll cop a chaste pose to lock you into promises of commitment. she subconsciously knows that men value chasteness in a relationship.

    3. beyond the above two explanations, she could just be a crazy drama whore.


    • Scray
      on April 22, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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      It hasn’t even been two months. For fuck’s sake. Lol chicks, logic not even once. I could understand her trying to do this if she hadn’t already volunteered the earlier information, but this is like watching someone trying to unring a bell. *takes notes*

      I’ve seen her twice a week for the last month tho….that’s probably the problem.

      you ever taken this bait?


      • Amy
        on April 22, 2014 at 1:24 pm
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        “I’ve seen her twice a week for the last month tho….that’s probably the problem.”

        That’s a good guess.


        • YaReally
          on April 22, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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          Gee it’s almost like that those rules that YaReally guy keeps repeating about not seeing a girl more than once every week or two or she’ll fall in love are legit rules based on field experience. WHO KNEW lol

          @Scray
          You created this situation. She’s in love with you now and wants you to see her as commitment material. Soon she’s going to give you the Ultimatum and tell you she can’t hook up with you anymore if you don’t want to be her boyfriend because it hurts too much.

          Then you will either not bend and lose her, lie because of scarcity and lead her on to keep getting the validation of her sex, or treat her like shit and start doing long-term emotional damage to her which is funny at first but will fuck her up for future relationships.

          Next time follow the rules.


          • Scray
            on April 22, 2014 at 2:18 pm
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            It’s kind of depressing how easy it is.

            Third time’s the charm tho. I’ll let this one down easy.



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Scray
on April 22, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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This is a good post. If only because it shows that some classic ‘positive’ traits can be high value.

side note; so things are going good with these so-called hot, wild chicks. but my strategy of just kinda sticking straight to the classic 16 and remaining ‘mysterious’ (no straight answers about my past, detached unimpressed ‘wow’s when they mention stuff from theirs) is leading to strange results. Confession of love (hey it happens, and I have yet to say it back)….I’m holding off on any commitment by just saying that relationships are a lot of work.

So annnyway, you have this and then she wants to start veering into these weird conversations….like ‘you don’t think I’m a slut, do you?’ my response just a raised eyebrow (like wtf is this conversation)….’because i think you’re kind of slutty.’ silence, me nodding as if to say ‘cool story.’

So it’s this double press of her trying to smoke out if I’m banging other girls, while her offering that she’s faithful to me and simultaneously for some reason NOW needing me to not think she’s a slut. I mean, I don’t care about her past, but I’m not a liar lol….and I just assume that whatever she’s volunteered trying to impress me is like the tip of the iceberg.

What’s happening CH?
Why would a hot chick try to shit test you/impress you with her adventurous sexual history, then when you remain unphased in the face of everything, suddenly want to come across as chaste (or be perceived as chaste)….


  • CH
    on April 22, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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    1. a girl who thinks you’re a player with experience, and who is attracted to you, will try to impress with tales of her adventurous tail, under the assumption that that’s what you want from her. girls who do this aren’t playing a long game, suffice to say.

    2. if she really likes you, and enough time has passed, she’ll cop a chaste pose to lock you into promises of commitment. she subconsciously knows that men value chasteness in a relationship.

    3. beyond the above two explanations, she could just be a crazy drama whore.


    • YaReally
      on April 22, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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      Gee it’s almost like that those rules that YaReally guy keeps repeating about not seeing a girl more than once every week or two or she’ll fall in love are legit rules based on field experience. WHO KNEW lol

      @Scray
      You created this situation. She’s in love with you now and wants you to see her as commitment material. Soon she’s going to give you the Ultimatum and tell you she can’t hook up with you anymore if you don’t want to be her boyfriend because it hurts too much.

      Then you will either not bend and lose her, lie because of scarcity and lead her on to keep getting the validation of her sex, or treat her like shit and start doing long-term emotional damage to her which is funny at first but will fuck her up for future relationships.

      Next time follow the rules.



Should You Confirm Dates?

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Grim
on April 16, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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I gotta say, man, this post really proves my point about supply and demand and the problem with fatties (too many of them). That this much work and strategizing is needed to simply make a date with a thin woman happen. And that is really what it all boils down to.

I concede that CH level game is needed today, but it shouldn’t be the case. It simply should not be *that* difficult for a decent dude to get a date with (and eventually marry and be respected by and have kids with) a pretty, thin woman. We greater betas are only asking for HB7s. Not asking for 10s.

Fuck man.

In other words, it is indeed a supply and demand issue and the competition among men is FIERCE because there are not enough thin women to go around.

This is why, Scray, CH’s posts about shaming fatties do matter. It’s not fair to all of us, as a society, when 80% of women are unbangable fatties. And they are. Just look around. Even if you go to clubs where 90% in that club that night are hotties…okay, thank of that though. even in that situation even on the best night there will be sausage-fest like conditions (more men than hot women) in that club. Now extrapolate that to society at large. Say you go to a popular crowed club and there are 50 hotties in there that night. Well, there are 6 million fatties (the rest of the women) in the rest of the city that particular night.

There are 4 million eligible decent men, say, in a big city, but only about 15,000 women who are not unbangable hogs. I’m making up those numbers but I really think it’s something like that. 15,000 hotties in the right age range in a city with 4 million decent men and 4 million fattie women is bad. Not enough good women to go around.

Hence it requires massive game to land a thin, pretty woman.

Even the PUAs admit it. Those with great attitudes like you and Ya don’t complain about it, but you admit it, talking about how seeing it from the HB8′s perspective…they wake up with 50 new texts every morning, etc.

That is true and also supports my point.

If there were an equal number of thin, pretty women and guys who want thin, pretty woman, each woman’s buying price would go way down.

This is how it was in the 1920s. All women were thin, so every decent man with a job got an acre, a mule, and a thin pretty wife when she was 19 to 21 who was loyal and respectful to him and gave her husband her best 20 years instead of giving them to 55 Yas.

http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/story-for-women-on-matchcom/2013/3/16/a-parable-for-the-older-single-women-of-matchcom-told-by-pro.html


  • YaReally
    on April 16, 2014 at 4:57 pm
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    tl;dr version: waaaaah wahhhhh the world isn’t the way I wish it was waaaaaahhhh!!!

    CH has written a bunch of fat-shaming articles, but I’m still seeing girls stuffed into too-small outfits with their muffin-tops hanging out at the bar.

    You can piss & moan or you can deal with reality. It’s that simple.

    The other part you’re missing is that this really isn’t “work” once you get good at it and internalize it and find the fun in the whole silly game. Hell if anything when you have 3 or 4 girls on the go and some chick flakes on you you’re RELIEVED because it means you get a night of peace & quiet or time to see one of the girls you’ve neglected or to get some work done lol


    • Scray
      on April 16, 2014 at 8:17 pm
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      ‘some chick flakes on you you’re RELIEVED because it means you get a night of peace & quiet or time to see one of the girls you’ve neglected or to get some work done lol’

      YA. These days I’m like ‘if everyone flaked tonight, das cool…..could catch up on X, Y, Z’ lol.



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Grim
on April 16, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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I gotta say, man, this post really proves my point about supply and demand and the problem with fatties (too many of them). That this much work and strategizing is needed to simply make a date with a thin woman happen. And that is really what it all boils down to.

I concede that CH level game is needed today, but it shouldn’t be the case. It simply should not be *that* difficult for a decent dude to get a date with (and eventually marry and be respected by and have kids with) a pretty, thin woman. We greater betas are only asking for HB7s. Not asking for 10s.

Fuck man.

In other words, it is indeed a supply and demand issue and the competition among men is FIERCE because there are not enough thin women to go around.

This is why, Scray, CH’s posts about shaming fatties do matter. It’s not fair to all of us, as a society, when 80% of women are unbangable fatties. And they are. Just look around. Even if you go to clubs where 90% in that club that night are hotties…okay, thank of that though. even in that situation even on the best night there will be sausage-fest like conditions (more men than hot women) in that club. Now extrapolate that to society at large. Say you go to a popular crowed club and there are 50 hotties in there that night. Well, there are 6 million fatties (the rest of the women) in the rest of the city that particular night.

There are 4 million eligible decent men, say, in a big city, but only about 15,000 women who are not unbangable hogs. I’m making up those numbers but I really think it’s something like that. 15,000 hotties in the right age range in a city with 4 million decent men and 4 million fattie women is bad. Not enough good women to go around.

Hence it requires massive game to land a thin, pretty woman.

Even the PUAs admit it. Those with great attitudes like you and Ya don’t complain about it, but you admit it, talking about how seeing it from the HB8’s perspective…they wake up with 50 new texts every morning, etc.

That is true and also supports my point.

If there were an equal number of thin, pretty women and guys who want thin, pretty woman, each woman’s buying price would go way down.

This is how it was in the 1920s. All women were thin, so every decent man with a job got an acre, a mule, and a thin pretty wife when she was 19 to 21 who was loyal and respectful to him and gave her husband her best 20 years instead of giving them to 55 Yas.

http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/story-for-women-on-matchcom/2013/3/16/a-parable-for-the-older-single-women-of-matchcom-told-by-pro.html


  • YaReally
    on April 16, 2014 at 4:57 pm
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    tl;dr version: waaaaah wahhhhh the world isn’t the way I wish it was waaaaaahhhh!!!

    CH has written a bunch of fat-shaming articles, but I’m still seeing girls stuffed into too-small outfits with their muffin-tops hanging out at the bar.

    You can piss & moan or you can deal with reality. It’s that simple.

    The other part you’re missing is that this really isn’t “work” once you get good at it and internalize it and find the fun in the whole silly game. Hell if anything when you have 3 or 4 girls on the go and some chick flakes on you you’re RELIEVED because it means you get a night of peace & quiet or time to see one of the girls you’ve neglected or to get some work done lol


    • Scray
      on April 16, 2014 at 8:17 pm
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      ‘some chick flakes on you you’re RELIEVED because it means you get a night of peace & quiet or time to see one of the girls you’ve neglected or to get some work done lol’

      YA. These days I’m like ‘if everyone flaked tonight, das cool…..could catch up on X, Y, Z’ lol.



Gaming Mediocre Girls

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on April 14, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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Just a rant on hotness and internal mindsets since the subject is up for discussion:

A 5-6 wants a guy who treats her like shit because she doesn’t believe she deserves to feel good.

A 7-8 wants a guy who treats other lesser girls like they’re shit because she’s secretly insecure deep down and needs reinforcement that she’s better than other girls so she gets off on a guy who will call a fat girl a fatty.

But a 9-10 wants the guy who makes a random 4 feel like a 10, just because he spreads value wherever he goes, because she’s above the lower-consciousness mindsets lesser girls are trapped in.

1:15 in this video is an example:

If you’re in the mindset of “only the hottest girls are worth my time/energy and deserve my attention or for me to make them feel good about themselves”, you aren’t pulling 9-10s.

For the record I fuck this up myself all the time lol because socializing is a skillset I learned late in life so for me it was “work” VS a natural social butterfly type who’s enjoyed socializing since they were a kid.

I even went thru a solid 2 year plateau where I was disgusted by half the girls at the bar and didn’t want to waste my time talking to them but would have to to wing a buddy or build some social momentum. The irony of course was that I couldn’t fake interest in the ugly girls and they would pick up on that in my subcomms and to preserve their ego they would reject me before I could reject them so then I’d be getting shot down by a girl I didn’t even want to fuck in the first place lol

It was a VERY frustrating time for me but it was an important lesson to learn about genuinely taking an interest in people and giving value rather than just going thru the motions to get what you want and viewing people as “what value will I get from investing my energy in this person, is it worth it for me?”

Now I make a conscious effort to socialize with everyone, young old guy girl ugly hot rich poor high status low status, doesn’t matter, I’ll make them feel good just because I know now that it feels good to spread good vibes. I still fall back into bad habits now and then, especially at the start of the night after I’ve been working all day and I’m not in a fun social mood, but once I’m flowing out in field I’ll talk to anyone and make them feel like a special snowflake just because I want everyone else to have a good night too.

When I’m out with a dude and he’s value-scanning the room and only half paying attention to our conversation and he won’t talk to any girls because the ones around us aren’t “good enough”, I know he’s going home alone or with a 6 at best off cold-approach (cause he won’t build the social momentum to approach hotter girls since he’s so selective) and an 8 at best from his social circle (aka warm approach), because of his mindsets.

Clooney, Pitt, Russell Brand, etc don’t screen out who’s worthy of their charm. Here’s Pitt doing some semi scripted stuff where you can tell he’s improvising parts of it and just treating everyone esp the old ppl like they’re worth his time and you can see he’s just a charismatic guy that any 9-10 watching would go “wow that’s a quality guy”:

On Mystery’s VH1 PUA show he takes the boys to a bingo hall to teach them that they should be able to use their new social skills to make everyone feel good, even people they aren’t trying to fuck.

Step 1 is learning to make people feel special.

Step 2 is enjoying making people feel special.

Step 3 is believing people are special.

A lot of guys here post with very negative judgemental attitudes toward women that give away exactly what kind of success they likely really have when they’re out.

RSDJulien puts it best…to paraphrase: if you went out to a bar tonight and there were NO hot girls there, just ugly gross fat chicks and old women and dudes, and you weren’t allowed to leave so you had to spend 4 hours there: could you still legitimately have fun and make other people have fun with you?

If the answer is no, you’ve got some internal work to do.


  • walawala
    on April 14, 2014 at 6:02 pm
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    @YaReally the one reason I game 5′s and 6′s in my social circle is 1) practice and 2) depending on who it is…to build orbiters 3) build competitive anxiety.

    My crazy hot ex gf had previously said she was jealous that I would dance and chat with other girls and not her.

    So here was a smoking hot babe wondering why I was having such a good time with women below her in SMV.

    It hadn’t occurred to me then but in light of this post and what has happened it was a strategic move on my part not a tactical one.

    Now I deliberately game the “cuties” because it’s great practice and they beam. Then I can get them to do stuff for my events and projects: help set up, bake stuff, work on the door etc etc.

    The question hotties would ask is why are these girls doing this????

    Then your own value goes up. As long as you don’t look like you’re banging them or dumpster diving, this can work to build up your SMV.by making you appear sociable, fun, attractive.

    From a self-serving perspective, the more comfortable you get with girls….the better you get at gaming the hot ones.

    It’s a bit like the driving range…doesn’t matter where you hit the ball as long as you hit it…when you get on the course, then it matters but how you’ve practiced on the driving range will determine your handicap.


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 6:09 pm
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      “As long as you don’t look like you’re banging them or dumpster diving, this can work to build up your SMV.by making you appear sociable, fun, attractive.”

      Right, I probably should’ve mentioned: you don’t have to FUCK these undesirable girls lol Or make people think you are or would. You just make them feel good and move on. If you’re actually like raunchy making out with a 4 in the bar you’re going to drop your value with the hot girls. But you can joke around and tease and spike their Buying Temperature and make them giggle and love you…the hotter girls KNOW you wouldn’t REALLY fuck that girl because to her you’re clearly too high value to really MEAN it even if the 4 thinks you might (like no one sees that Alfie clip and thinks he’s actually trying to bang the old chick). So if you go and take it too far then that hotter girl is like “oh, i guess he’s NOT that high value, I thought he was just fucking around but he actually thinks he only deserves her.”


      • Ronin
        on April 14, 2014 at 8:16 pm
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        ^This. I’d like to talk to hotter girls. But I get someplace, my anxiety kicks in and I end up talking with the 5-6s most of the time, b/c I think too much, get +/- scared and then just avoid it.

        Most of the time I do open or even talk to a girl who’s a 7+, it’s entirely accidental idiot-savantism.

        .
        + If I see a 5-6 1x at a bar & talk, it’s not too bad. The ones I see regularly are the ones that go mad when you don’t get on their schedule.

        I’d love to get close to where you are some day, so that All of it works much better; hopefully with the Everyone staying both social and happy, regardless of where they’re at.

        But so far, had too many of the temper-tantrum 5-6s. -Probably b/c I’m too anxious to approach the 7+ and set the SMV frame.

        Oh well, good words as ususal, Ya.


        • Scray
          on April 15, 2014 at 1:25 pm
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          What really helped me and started getting me more results was to take pressure off of myself. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but….I focused less on trying to come off like a player/pimp/whatever and instead focused on just trying to have fun with whoever I was with. Not even necessarily getting laid…like maybe take a number and hang out but nothing too aggressive.

          When I let go and started doing that, -that’s- when more girls started thinking I was a player/pimp lol. Take the pressure off yourself. That’s really what outcome independence is all about. You don’t have to fuck this or that chick you’re talking to to have a good interaction. Just try to add value wherever you go and opportunities will start presenting themselves.


  • Zombie Shane
    on April 15, 2014 at 5:30 am
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    YR, everthing you’ve described comes naturally to me.

    That’s the easy stuff.

    What I can’t do is the fullblown sociopath shit – going completely nihilistic and breaking her soul and then dumping her and never again giving her so much as another single thought.

    I always feel sorry for my bitches.

    [Cue the h8ters - "Blah blah blah... but they WANT to be treated like that... blah blah blah..."]


    • YaReally
      on April 15, 2014 at 7:01 am
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      “What I can’t do is the fullblown sociopath shit – going completely nihilistic and breaking her soul and then dumping her and never again giving her so much as another single thought.”

      …sooooo don’t do that? Not sure what response you expected lol “c’mon bro it’s super cool to crush their soul fuck these bitches lololllz!!!”? Leave em better than you found em. No soul-destroying is necessary.


      • Zombie Shane
        on April 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm
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        Two points:

        1) Even before I became a natalist, I just couldn’t stand it when the poor bitches would start crying on me. It got so bad that I took to messing around only with the very most aggressive bitches because I could always tell myself that she – the aggressive one – had initiated the relationship in the first place, so that when it came time for me to move on, she had only herself to blame.

        Because I just couldn’t stand the thought of breaking a nice girl’s heart.

        2) Not to get all bible thumper on you, but now that I FINALLY understand why God gave us our sexuality, I think back on all the chicks I dated, and for a good half or three quarters of them, I now realize [in retrospect] that I would have been more than happy to have had kids with them. And then I get to wondering how many of them grew old, and lonely, and became spinsters, with barren wombs, living all alone in their apartments filled with cats.

        When instead their apartments could have been filled with human children.

        Moving forward, I’ll only be collecting notches on the bedpost as SISTER WIVES bearing my children.

        My days of purposeless fornication are over.

        At least I hope so.

        From now on, I want all my bitches’ bellies getting bloated.


        • YaReally
          on April 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm
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          “I just couldn’t stand it when the poor bitches would start crying on me”

          They don’t cry on me. Why? You’ll see when my reply to Amy gets out of moderation…you’re one of the guys I’m describing when I describe how guys fuck up the “rules” and end up hurting the girls. You let them get attached and let that attachment develop too deep, I cut them off sooner so they don’t get hurt like that. It’s not easy, but I don’t like making girls cry so I follow the rules lol

          “From now on, I want all my bitches’ bellies getting bloated.”

          Shit, want to send me some of your millions of dollars you’ll be spending on child support for your army of baby Shanes? Thx


          • Scray
            on April 16, 2014 at 12:08 pm
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            If you are a cool guy + decent fuck + see her more than a week she will love you and after a fairly short amount of time want to have your kids. It really isn’t a matter of ‘upping’ the game. It’s just a matter of responsibility. Just because she’s hot doesn’t mean you want to have kids with her.


    • Scray
      on April 15, 2014 at 11:23 am
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      ‘That’s the easy stuff.’

      Is it, Shane? Is it, really?

      I don’t think this stuff is easy in the proper context — girls who are smoking hot. I’m sure it comes naturally to you with girls who are beneath you looks-wise, tho.

      ‘What I can’t do is the fullblown sociopath shit ‘

      You don’t have to do that stuff. In fact, you don’t have to be mean at all.


      • YaReally
        on April 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm
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        “You don’t have to do that stuff. In fact, you don’t have to be mean at all.”
        <3



Gaming Mediocre Girls

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on April 14, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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Just a rant on hotness and internal mindsets since the subject is up for discussion:

A 5-6 wants a guy who treats her like shit because she doesn’t believe she deserves to feel good.

A 7-8 wants a guy who treats other lesser girls like they’re shit because she’s secretly insecure deep down and needs reinforcement that she’s better than other girls so she gets off on a guy who will call a fat girl a fatty.

But a 9-10 wants the guy who makes a random 4 feel like a 10, just because he spreads value wherever he goes, because she’s above the lower-consciousness mindsets lesser girls are trapped in.

1:15 in this video is an example:

If you’re in the mindset of “only the hottest girls are worth my time/energy and deserve my attention or for me to make them feel good about themselves”, you aren’t pulling 9-10s.

For the record I fuck this up myself all the time lol because socializing is a skillset I learned late in life so for me it was “work” VS a natural social butterfly type who’s enjoyed socializing since they were a kid.

I even went thru a solid 2 year plateau where I was disgusted by half the girls at the bar and didn’t want to waste my time talking to them but would have to to wing a buddy or build some social momentum. The irony of course was that I couldn’t fake interest in the ugly girls and they would pick up on that in my subcomms and to preserve their ego they would reject me before I could reject them so then I’d be getting shot down by a girl I didn’t even want to fuck in the first place lol

It was a VERY frustrating time for me but it was an important lesson to learn about genuinely taking an interest in people and giving value rather than just going thru the motions to get what you want and viewing people as “what value will I get from investing my energy in this person, is it worth it for me?”

Now I make a conscious effort to socialize with everyone, young old guy girl ugly hot rich poor high status low status, doesn’t matter, I’ll make them feel good just because I know now that it feels good to spread good vibes. I still fall back into bad habits now and then, especially at the start of the night after I’ve been working all day and I’m not in a fun social mood, but once I’m flowing out in field I’ll talk to anyone and make them feel like a special snowflake just because I want everyone else to have a good night too.

When I’m out with a dude and he’s value-scanning the room and only half paying attention to our conversation and he won’t talk to any girls because the ones around us aren’t “good enough”, I know he’s going home alone or with a 6 at best off cold-approach (cause he won’t build the social momentum to approach hotter girls since he’s so selective) and an 8 at best from his social circle (aka warm approach), because of his mindsets.

Clooney, Pitt, Russell Brand, etc don’t screen out who’s worthy of their charm. Here’s Pitt doing some semi scripted stuff where you can tell he’s improvising parts of it and just treating everyone esp the old ppl like they’re worth his time and you can see he’s just a charismatic guy that any 9-10 watching would go “wow that’s a quality guy”:

On Mystery’s VH1 PUA show he takes the boys to a bingo hall to teach them that they should be able to use their new social skills to make everyone feel good, even people they aren’t trying to fuck.

Step 1 is learning to make people feel special.

Step 2 is enjoying making people feel special.

Step 3 is believing people are special.

A lot of guys here post with very negative judgemental attitudes toward women that give away exactly what kind of success they likely really have when they’re out.

RSDJulien puts it best…to paraphrase: if you went out to a bar tonight and there were NO hot girls there, just ugly gross fat chicks and old women and dudes, and you weren’t allowed to leave so you had to spend 4 hours there: could you still legitimately have fun and make other people have fun with you?

If the answer is no, you’ve got some internal work to do.


  • walawala
    on April 14, 2014 at 6:02 pm
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    @YaReally the one reason I game 5’s and 6’s in my social circle is 1) practice and 2) depending on who it is…to build orbiters 3) build competitive anxiety.

    My crazy hot ex gf had previously said she was jealous that I would dance and chat with other girls and not her.

    So here was a smoking hot babe wondering why I was having such a good time with women below her in SMV.

    It hadn’t occurred to me then but in light of this post and what has happened it was a strategic move on my part not a tactical one.

    Now I deliberately game the “cuties” because it’s great practice and they beam. Then I can get them to do stuff for my events and projects: help set up, bake stuff, work on the door etc etc.

    The question hotties would ask is why are these girls doing this????

    Then your own value goes up. As long as you don’t look like you’re banging them or dumpster diving, this can work to build up your SMV.by making you appear sociable, fun, attractive.

    From a self-serving perspective, the more comfortable you get with girls….the better you get at gaming the hot ones.

    It’s a bit like the driving range…doesn’t matter where you hit the ball as long as you hit it…when you get on the course, then it matters but how you’ve practiced on the driving range will determine your handicap.


    • Scray
      on April 15, 2014 at 1:25 pm
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      What really helped me and started getting me more results was to take pressure off of myself. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but….I focused less on trying to come off like a player/pimp/whatever and instead focused on just trying to have fun with whoever I was with. Not even necessarily getting laid…like maybe take a number and hang out but nothing too aggressive.

      When I let go and started doing that, -that’s- when more girls started thinking I was a player/pimp lol. Take the pressure off yourself. That’s really what outcome independence is all about. You don’t have to fuck this or that chick you’re talking to to have a good interaction. Just try to add value wherever you go and opportunities will start presenting themselves.



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on April 13, 2014 at 6:52 pm
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Treat your fellow humans like shit, because you can, rather than pushing your own individual growth and leaving others in peace. Wonderful counsel.

It should be evident to all who read this site who the real tools are.


  • cryo
    on April 13, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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    they’re going to feel like shit anyway if they indulge in desperate and irrational behavior…it’s not like taking their girl is actually taking away anything they had to begin with…the commenter even mentions they’ll be closer to enlightenment after experiencing this rejection…seems worse to me to live in denial than to be bitch-slapped by cold hard reality


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 6:41 am
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      Also if you read my followup comments I also talk about introducing those guys to other guys while taking their girl. All 7 dudes can’t fuck this one girl they’re orbiting so they actually make out better if I throw other girls at them lol

      Besides I’m not saying this is how I handle it. The question was what can be done in this situation and this is an answer. I would actually just lol at the sausage-fest and go for a different girl or befriend the guys and try to encourage one of them to make a move on her and go after his crush, unless one of the guys was a dick to me.


      • theasdgamer
        on April 14, 2014 at 9:32 am
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        Hey YaReally,

        Have you ever unintentionally AMOG-ed another guy who had a girl whom you didn’t really want? (She started shutting him out and chatting with you.) How did you handle that?

        Have you ever been AMOG-ed when you weren’t doing pickup? How did you handle that?


        • YaReally
          on April 14, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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          “Have you ever unintentionally AMOG-ed another guy who had a girl whom you didn’t really want? (She started shutting him out and chatting with you.) How did you handle that?”

          All the fucking time lol It’s really hard to avoid when you pass a certain level of skillset because you internalize a lot of shit and so many guys are SO actively fucking lame and have such anti-game that literally just by being a normal cool guy, a lot of guys’ girlfriends/crushes will get all up on me.

          I have to tone things down a lot when I’m out with normal AFC type buddies and their girlfriends because their girlfriends will flirt with me and the AFC guy can’t even see it because he doesn’t know what to look for.

          It happens with randoms too, and wingmen depending on our states that night…like I usually wing with solid guys, but if my buddy is having an off night and I’m having an on night, if I enter the set his girl will gravitate toward me, and vice-versa if I’m the lame one and he’s feelin good.

          My calibration is super sharp so I can see this stuff coming a mile away and if it’s a situation where I don’t want to take the girl or accidentally encourage any possibility in her head of us boning, I’ll usually just try to be as boring as possible and/or completely leave the interaction and go do my own thing. Like the first sign she’s into me I’ll back off and bail. Or I’ll do something so offensive that she’s super turned off, except that half the time trying to turn her off (aka disqualifying myself) ends up making her chase harder so that’s why I tend to just leave the room entirely lol

          I will never ever end up in a situation where I’m alone with a good buddy’s GF and she’s drinking, because there’s just no good that can come from that. Unless I have to take care of her (like she got wasted and he’s out of town and she needs me to help get her home because she ended up somewhere bad or whatever), and in those scenarios I just go full out business mode and take care of the situ as fast as possible with no conversation or flirting or eye-contact or anything and then GTFO as soon as possible.

          “Have you ever been AMOG-ed when you weren’t doing pickup? How did you handle that?”

          Again, allll the fucking time lol Hell, I have guys try to AMOG me when I’m out with girls. A couple weeks ago some guys waited till I went to the bathroom and then approached the girl I was there with lol I’ve had guys come up and hit on my girl while my arm is around her. It’s funny ballsy shit to me lol

          But ya in day-to-day I get AMOG’ed depending on my mood. I stare at a cpu screen all day for work, so if I go for lunch or something I’m not really in a killer alpha badass mood, I’m more inside my head and anti-social. So it’s not real difficult for a guy who’s in a good vibe to say something wittier than me or do something that I don’t have a good response for or that tools me a bit. It’s no big deal, it’s not the end of the world lol And I mean, if you work with a bunch of people and had managers etc., you have to let them AMOG you a bit because a lot of them are insecure and need to feel like they’re badasses so you can keep your job or work your way up the ranks without them feeling threatened.

          It’s no big deal though. It’s kind of like being in a fight. Sure Mike Tyson won a shitload of fights, but it’s not like he’s never taken a few punches. A lot of guys stress about AMOG stuff like “omg if I get AMOG’ed once it means I’m pathetic and I lose and it’s over!!!” but it’s like a fight, one punch probably isn’t going to take Tyson down, hell he might even get knocked dizzy a few times, but it’s no big deal, that’s just part of the fight and he’ll probably end up getting his own punches in and winning in the end.

          That’s why I call them “AMOG battles”, because it’s a bunch of little exchanges that add up. And I don’t really attach my worth to that stuff…like if the guy at the lunch place tools me on a Tuesday afternoon after I’ve been staring at my computer and like, the cute chick who works with him giggles and wants to fuck him, what do I care lol If I ran into them at the bar on a Saturday night when I’m feelin good and having fun and not thinking about work I’ll probably blow the guy out of the water, it’s no big deal to take a few punches.


          • Scray
            on April 15, 2014 at 12:42 pm
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            ‘It’s no big deal though. It’s kind of like being in a fight.’

            It’s good that you posted this because it seems like a lot of commenters are afraid of getting tooled once or twice. I mean, if you’re rolling in somewhere trying to be alpha — or at least some level of high value — you’re going to be tested.

            And to save you all the suspense, it’s impossible to win every single test. What differentiates the guy who will eventually win or hold his own from the paper tiger is the ability to recover and remain cool. essentially that’s the only way to actually get in to the ‘leadership of men’ part of whatever social group. Even if you don’t become Mr. numero uno alpha male, you still have a place among the elite.

            And really, I have yet to find a better, faster way to raise your value in a group then to FIRST get TOOLED — and I’m talking, out of nowhere, didn’t see it coming, no amazing comeback — and then OVER TIME come back to win. I mean, it’s kind of stupid but all they’re doing is testing you to see if you’re the kind of person who’s cool enough to hang with.



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YaReally?
on April 13, 2014 at 6:52 pm
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Treat your fellow humans like shit, because you can, rather than pushing your own individual growth and leaving others in peace. Wonderful counsel.

It should be evident to all who read this site who the real tools are.


  • cryo
    on April 13, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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    they’re going to feel like shit anyway if they indulge in desperate and irrational behavior…it’s not like taking their girl is actually taking away anything they had to begin with…the commenter even mentions they’ll be closer to enlightenment after experiencing this rejection…seems worse to me to live in denial than to be bitch-slapped by cold hard reality


    • Scray
      on April 15, 2014 at 12:42 pm
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      ‘It’s no big deal though. It’s kind of like being in a fight.’

      It’s good that you posted this because it seems like a lot of commenters are afraid of getting tooled once or twice. I mean, if you’re rolling in somewhere trying to be alpha — or at least some level of high value — you’re going to be tested.

      And to save you all the suspense, it’s impossible to win every single test. What differentiates the guy who will eventually win or hold his own from the paper tiger is the ability to recover and remain cool. essentially that’s the only way to actually get in to the ‘leadership of men’ part of whatever social group. Even if you don’t become Mr. numero uno alpha male, you still have a place among the elite.

      And really, I have yet to find a better, faster way to raise your value in a group then to FIRST get TOOLED — and I’m talking, out of nowhere, didn’t see it coming, no amazing comeback — and then OVER TIME come back to win. I mean, it’s kind of stupid but all they’re doing is testing you to see if you’re the kind of person who’s cool enough to hang with.



Assume The Sale Game

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J.B
on April 10, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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I saw the video you shared via twitter on the evolution of beauty and I thought you might find this interesting:

According to the study, the traits that mattered most to women are as follows:

Body Shape: 79.7%
Height: 6.1%
Penis Size: 5.1%

I was surprised on how low height scored and even more surprised that If a guy is tall and with a big penis, it’s just an added plus but not to a short guy. A short man can have a huge penis but it won’t boost his overall attractiveness. So, the traits have to be interlinked in a way to gain the overall attractive ideal.

But…at the end of the video, someone asks him a question about competition and penis size. He theorizes that there might be some positive correlation between this but a more in-depth study is needed.

Now, I know some guys will think this discredits game but I think it actually sets the foundation for why game is important.Game helps by letting you actively compete out there in the market. This competition (theoretically) could fuel your biology directly, whether you know it or not.

Man is, by his nature, a competitive animal. Those who keep plowing on will eventually pass their genes to the best mate that they can find.

[CH: female physical attractiveness criteria don't discredit game because those criteria are orthogonal to the other traits that women love in men. to put it succinctly, women have a much broader range of attractiveness criteria than do men. game is an exploit of the personality/charisma/social status axis of male traits that women judge for mate worth.]


  • Grim
    on April 10, 2014 at 2:55 pm
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    whatever. height is UBER important to women. any man under 6’0″ is absolutely starting with a handicap in this world. even 5’11″ is missing out on a huge % of opportunities (both professional and personal) compared to a 6’1″ man. literally life changing in mate choices, who you end up marrying. sure the 5’11″ can learn game and anyone can approve, but 6’1″ naturally broad shouldered guy has huge starting point advantage.

    even with options from the get go. sure there is the Tom Cruise thing, but usually 5’7″ is a bit too tall for a 5’11″ guy because when she’s in heels she’s almost as tall as him. women want to look up to their man literally and figuratively. it’s just fucking true. There are plenty of 5’8″ girls who are total hotties. That’s not too tall for a woman (like a 5’11″ awkward looking girl is a bit too tall)…but it’s too tall for me. My options are limited to 5’7″ and below and even that is a bit too tall and 5’3″ to 5’4″ is better for me. So I literally have less options than the 6’1″ guy.

    My ex GF was/is 5’7″ and a long legged hottie–awesome body. She was the tallest girl I’ve ever banged and we dated for 3 years…but even that (my height) was partly an issue, I believe. Her dad is 6’5″ huge guy. Now, in the beginning she chose me and fucked me for 3 years, but I firmly believe that some of the natural beta that creeps in to any LTR would have been more forgivable if I were 6’2″, which is the height a 5’7″ girl needs.

    life’s not fair. just like a female 6 is missing out on being an 8 …. huge difference.

    A 5’8″ girl is not too tall; I’m too short for her. Yeah I know–fix my internals.

    I absolutely know that at parties, the girl wants the man to be comfortably taller when she’s in her heels.

    Now, men’s dress shoes have like a 3/4 inch heel. When my 5’7″ GF wore some pretty big heels, I was still taller than her, by about an inch. But that’s not enough. 5’7″ girl really needs the man to be 6’1″ minimum…have to be 2 inches taller, at least, even when she’s in her 4 inch heels.

    Women admit this. Fucking little spoon, who is 5’0″ and 101 pounds, says she won’t date a guy less than 6’2″ or some shit like that, and many many women hold that same view.

    Cue the guys to tell me about game. 6’2″ guy can learn game too. All game being equal, it is better to be 6’2″ than 5’11″.


    • Scray
      on April 10, 2014 at 3:58 pm
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      I’m going to tell you now that height isn’t really that big of a deal. It’s funny how you’re listening to what women say still —>

      ‘Fucking little spoon, who is 5’0″ and 101 pounds, says she won’t date a guy less than 6’2″ or some shit like that’

      Women also say they won’t date men who treat them like shit.


      • CH
        on April 10, 2014 at 4:40 pm
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        The thing you have to bear in mind whenever the subject of women’s measurable attractiveness criteria comes up is that the studies finding this or that female preference for particular male physical attributes have a restriction of range problem; namely, that the men in such studies for the most part have no compensating game. This is the case because as much as we talk about game here the fact remains that few men in the outside world are actually putting the principles into practice. So what happens is that female mate choice gets heavily weighted toward the physical side of the male attractiveness equation when social scientists attempt to analyze the issue closely.

        This is not to say that female preferences for certain male physical traits don’t exist (all else equal, women do prefer taller men to shorter men), but these inherent mate choice study limitations do point up how difficult it is to uncover female preferences in a real world setting where all sorts of biofeedback (such as male charm and confidence) influences female perception of male sexual or romantic worth.


        • YaReally
          on April 11, 2014 at 12:15 pm
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          “as much as we talk about game here the fact remains that few men in the outside world are actually putting the principles into practice. So what happens is that female mate choice gets heavily weighted toward the physical side of the male attractiveness equation when social scientists attempt to analyze the issue closely.”

          This is important. Part of why I’m not intimidated by the tall rich jacked guys I see is because I’ve been around enough of them to know that maybe 10% of them have any real game and only like 1% of them has game that I’d actually have to worry about.

          Guys give way too much credit to other guys. You have to go out and watch these dudes going home alone and supplicating to girls and buying their attention with drinks every night and go up and talk to their girls and run game and experience the girls snubbing them for you, to really burn into your brain how rare good game is.

          So in these studies, it’s like I’ve said before: being tall/jacked/rich is just a fast indicator that the guy is more likely to have alpha attributes than a guy who doesn’t have those things…the same way if we put a mousey makeupless girl in a baggy sweatshirt beside a model in a tight dress most guys would pick the model because we assume a woman displaying her sexuality like that will be a good fuck.

          But once you add game into the equation all that shit goes out the window the same way as if you found out the mousey girl loves the same kind if sex you do and the model hates giving head and only bangs with the lights off and only lets you fuck her missionary and has banged 50 guys…you might still go with the model but she’s become a lot less appealing than that mousey girl who’s become more appealing.

          I haven’t done a workout in like a year (besides sex lol) and the girls I’m with give no fucks. I’m actually turning down a fuckbuddy who’s my height and wears stripper style heels (so she towers over me) tonight to get some work done and she wants me to come out to where her and her friends are drinking because she knows other guys will be pussies around her but I’ll dominate her and pull her down by the back of her head to suck face and lead her around by the small of her back etc even in public while having to look up at her. A second FB plays sports every week and works with athletes but loves cuddling up to my chubby belly. With both of these girls I just walk around naked after sex as if I’m a 10 lol

          My two LTRs were both my height and wore heels but those were flukes cause I actually like short petite girls personally.

          So much of this height and looks shit is about “will she like me????” instead of “does she pass my requirements?” It’s such a wrong headspace from the start lol

          Shitload of mental masturbation in this comment section today. It’s Friday night, GTFO there and run game on some tall girls talking to tall guys lol



A Giddy Reminder Of The Evil Influence Of Feminism

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Scray
on April 8, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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How can you guys keep focused on this stuff?

[CH: big brains.]

I mean good on ya’ll.
My mind is just constantly getting blown by raw female sexuality.

[mine too. although the blast radius has kinda worn off the mind blowing at this point.]

Go to pick 8 up for coffee or watever at her office, end up doing some yayo, getting blown in a chair and then banging in view of a little baby in a stroller in the hallway (open blinds on the door….)….

[the things i've seen...]

also getting crazy-eyed ‘don’t fuck around on me….I’ll find out…..and you won’t like what happens…’ while getting oral is…..insane.

[i prefer the backward head tilt while drfiting into pleasureville.]

wasn’t the dancer either. this is the girl I was lying to months ago lol. wtf.
“Act Like You’ve Been There Before” should be a cardinal rule.

["act as if" "act like you've been there" "fake it till you make it" all variations on the same theme.]

Because a lot of these adventures have me in my mind going ‘are you fucking serious? I’m doing this? This is happening?’

liiiiike….why do you guys even want a prim proper virginal-ish girl?

[tight is right.]

They suck in comparison. Dogshit. The worst. Never looking back.

[we'll have to agree to disagree.]

Att: Zombie Shane
Application of IQ to game —> picking which desk in the office to fuck on. Which ones can bear the right of weight, allow the greatest flexibility in position, allow the right amounts of force, and are at the right height.

[standing fuckstation.]


  • cryo
    on April 8, 2014 at 7:38 pm
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    The best is getting a prim proper girl to unleash her whore with you. Your game isn’t tight enough yet so you’re slumming it with indiscrete sluts pretending that it’s all good. You’ll get there though.


    • YaReally
      on April 9, 2014 at 6:30 am
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      “The best is getting a prim proper girl to unleash her whore with you.”

      It’s overrated to me. I’ve been with enough virgins to now disqualify them and actively avoid them lol I have better things to do than invest a bunch of time baby-stepping a virgin through sex and disarming all her hang-ups. I think half the guys that want to “teach a virgin” just get off on the power trip more than the actual sex lol but hey, to each their own.

      “Because it’s easy to teach a girl to give great head”

      I disagree. Unless your standards for head are pretty low lol And even then you’re rolling the dice that the girl is going to actually enjoy giving head. A girl who LOVES sucking cock and can’t keep her mouth off your dick is 1000x better than a virgin scrunching her face up as she finishes you with her hand scared you’re going to get jizz in her hair until you teach her to pretend to enjoy it knowing that she really doesn’t. I’ll pass on that shit lol

      “Because a lot of these adventures have me in my mind going ‘are you fucking serious? I’m doing this? This is happening?’”

      Welcome to the game lol If this isn’t happening to you regularly, you aren’t pushing your comfort zone. I don’t even bother telling buddies the details of what I get up to because it’s way too far outside their reality to even believe me lol


      • Simon Corso
        on April 9, 2014 at 8:25 am
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        ” A girl who LOVES sucking cock and can’t keep her mouth off your dick is 1000x better than a virgin scrunching her face up as she finishes you with her hand scared you’re going to get jizz in her hair until you teach her to pretend to enjoy it knowing that she really doesn’t. I’ll pass on that shit lol ”

        Training a girl for BJ’s is a freaking ordeal. But totally worth it…once you get the teethmarks off your dick.

        Anyway I tend to assume most men have attuned whor-dar like I do. Sluts have tells, and that’s why I tend towards the ( seemingly ) prim and proper types. Not that I’m hunting virgins, but if we’re going to be in public together I want a girl who at least appears to have some dignity.

        That old feminist argument that game only works on bar sluts ? I was getting bar sluts with zero game. I learned game so I could pull,and keep, a better class of woman.


        • Scray
          on April 9, 2014 at 9:00 am
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          I don’t believe this. These chicks sniff out weakness. I think it’s the other way around, to be honest. The less experienced chicks seem to be completely bowled over by game (which means that non-game will work). The ones who are more of a challenge to get under thumb are the so-called ‘ruined’ women.

          And honestly, I don’t really want to have to train anyone. Just come to me pre-made.

          Seems like fear, tbh.


          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2014 at 10:59 am
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            “For some reason you believe that these women are incapable of acting prim and proper in front of mom. For some reason you also believe that these women are incapable of being faithful to a high value man. ”

            This. Guys who think a girl who can be slutty in bed can’t put a fucking bow in her hair and impress their mom usually only have experience with the hardcore low-quality bar sluts and don’t really realize there’s a middle ground of girls that you would never expect to be slutty because they seem classy, who are fucking wild when you create a non-judgemental environment for them.

            It’s like guys picture some chick sitting down at the dinner table going “Wow, Mrs. YaReally, this meal looks almost as delicious as the big black dicks I love to take up my ass!!!!!” Fucking cartoon stereotypes. Go out more and meet some real women lol


      • Mukluk
        on April 9, 2014 at 9:16 am
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        How old are you? Where are you meeting these virgins?


        • YaReally
          on April 9, 2014 at 11:02 am
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          Early 30s, and all over. I’ve had young virgins (under 21) and older virgins (mid/late 20s). The older ones usually had some kind of bad experience with sex (usually rape) when they were young and have a shit-ton of unwiring to do to get them to be comfortable with sex. The young ones don’t have a clue wtf they’re doing and are huge fucking projects to teach and not worth the effort to me because it’s not like being a virgin magically makes them quality girlfriend/mother/relationship material in all other aspects.

          Fuck a few of them and you realize they’re just like any other girls.


          • Scray
            on April 9, 2014 at 11:20 am
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            Yes x 1000. idk more and more convinced that not caring about this stuff is a huge edge in the game, judging by how many commenters here are all scurred.



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Scray
on April 8, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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How can you guys keep focused on this stuff?

[CH: big brains.]

I mean good on ya’ll.
My mind is just constantly getting blown by raw female sexuality.

[mine too. although the blast radius has kinda worn off the mind blowing at this point.]

Go to pick 8 up for coffee or watever at her office, end up doing some yayo, getting blown in a chair and then banging in view of a little baby in a stroller in the hallway (open blinds on the door….)….

[the things i’ve seen…]

also getting crazy-eyed ‘don’t fuck around on me….I’ll find out…..and you won’t like what happens…’ while getting oral is…..insane.

[i prefer the backward head tilt while drfiting into pleasureville.]

wasn’t the dancer either. this is the girl I was lying to months ago lol. wtf.
“Act Like You’ve Been There Before” should be a cardinal rule.

[“act as if” “act like you’ve been there” “fake it till you make it” all variations on the same theme.]

Because a lot of these adventures have me in my mind going ‘are you fucking serious? I’m doing this? This is happening?’

liiiiike….why do you guys even want a prim proper virginal-ish girl?

[tight is right.]

They suck in comparison. Dogshit. The worst. Never looking back.

[we’ll have to agree to disagree.]

Att: Zombie Shane
Application of IQ to game —> picking which desk in the office to fuck on. Which ones can bear the right of weight, allow the greatest flexibility in position, allow the right amounts of force, and are at the right height.

[standing fuckstation.]


  • cryo
    on April 8, 2014 at 7:38 pm
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    The best is getting a prim proper girl to unleash her whore with you. Your game isn’t tight enough yet so you’re slumming it with indiscrete sluts pretending that it’s all good. You’ll get there though.


    • YaReally
      on April 9, 2014 at 6:30 am
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      “The best is getting a prim proper girl to unleash her whore with you.”

      It’s overrated to me. I’ve been with enough virgins to now disqualify them and actively avoid them lol I have better things to do than invest a bunch of time baby-stepping a virgin through sex and disarming all her hang-ups. I think half the guys that want to “teach a virgin” just get off on the power trip more than the actual sex lol but hey, to each their own.

      “Because it’s easy to teach a girl to give great head”

      I disagree. Unless your standards for head are pretty low lol And even then you’re rolling the dice that the girl is going to actually enjoy giving head. A girl who LOVES sucking cock and can’t keep her mouth off your dick is 1000x better than a virgin scrunching her face up as she finishes you with her hand scared you’re going to get jizz in her hair until you teach her to pretend to enjoy it knowing that she really doesn’t. I’ll pass on that shit lol

      “Because a lot of these adventures have me in my mind going ‘are you fucking serious? I’m doing this? This is happening?’”

      Welcome to the game lol If this isn’t happening to you regularly, you aren’t pushing your comfort zone. I don’t even bother telling buddies the details of what I get up to because it’s way too far outside their reality to even believe me lol



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on April 7, 2014 at 11:20 am
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Yeah, yeah, fuck the betas and all that shit, but I’d like to know how you would go about informing such a tool of his toolery (if you just happened to be in a particular mood where you felt what the hell, let me try to untool this tool – even though he may not listen to a fuckin’ word of it). Order all the guys at the table some Shirley Temples? Tell him how the girl is tooling them when you see him alone? (Although writing a blog post about him (he may read it after all) does qualify as helping out)


  • YaReally
    on April 7, 2014 at 11:39 am
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    Take their girl.

    You’re cooler than them by default simply because they’re so low-value to her that they’re her orbiters, and you’re the bright shiny new object. Just ignore her and chat with them, then tease her when she tries to get your attention and she’ll choose you and demand more of your attention. If you choose her, they can “protect” her and kick your ass…but if she chooses you, there’s nothing they can do about it because she’ll defend you from them. All they can do is home and cry themselves to sleep, then Google “how do I get this one special girl I’m in love with??” and end up on their way to enlightenment lol

    [CH: the shiv is strong in this comment.]


    • Zombie Shane
      on April 7, 2014 at 3:45 pm
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      > “Take their girl.”

      What if, say, your little brother were one of the five dudes?

      Wouldn’t you feel a fraternal sense of duty to start introducing him to Game?


      • Scray
        on April 7, 2014 at 8:34 pm
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        look nigga, I already said I’d offer them blow. what do u want from us



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Yeah, yeah, fuck the betas and all that shit, but I’d like to know how you would go about informing such a tool of his toolery (if you just happened to be in a particular mood where you felt what the hell, let me try to untool this tool – even though he may not listen to a fuckin’ word of it). Order all the guys at the table some Shirley Temples? Tell him how the girl is tooling them when you see him alone? (Although writing a blog post about him (he may read it after all) does qualify as helping out)


  • YaReally
    on April 7, 2014 at 11:39 am
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    Take their girl.

    You’re cooler than them by default simply because they’re so low-value to her that they’re her orbiters, and you’re the bright shiny new object. Just ignore her and chat with them, then tease her when she tries to get your attention and she’ll choose you and demand more of your attention. If you choose her, they can “protect” her and kick your ass…but if she chooses you, there’s nothing they can do about it because she’ll defend you from them. All they can do is home and cry themselves to sleep, then Google “how do I get this one special girl I’m in love with??” and end up on their way to enlightenment lol

    [CH: the shiv is strong in this comment.]


    • Scray
      on April 7, 2014 at 8:34 pm
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      look nigga, I already said I’d offer them blow. what do u want from us



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Lazy sloppy game. Every girl wants to feel like a special unique snowflake, even if she’s some random 17yo who hasn’t done anything with her life except sprout tits and you’re an accomplished celebrity.

He had Attraction because he’s James Franco, but he didn’t bother to even try to get a little Comfort/Rapport (and it wouldn’t have taken much), so her ASD won’t let her do it.

This is the same thing that happens to a lot of intermediate PUAs when they first start collecting mass amounts of phone numbers and go out and open 20 sets, come out with 15 numbers, and then those numbers all flake. They were running flash game that got them Attraction, but Attraction doesn’t get you laid, Comfort does. So none of those 15 girls feels “special” and the guy gets 15 flakes until he learns that he needs to start adding Comfort/Rapport, qualifying/screening, etc. to his game.

Same time, he’s James Franco, so I’m sure he has no fucks to give and was probably taking a shit while txting this chick and has a dozen other girls banging on the door ready to suck his dick.

But it’s a good lesson for guys that a lot of stuff society deems high-value like looks, money, fame, muscles, height, etc. DO get you Attention, and that’s usually pretty easy to turn into Attraction, but you can still lose the lay if you don’t understand Comfort/Rapport…even if you’re an A-list celebrity like Franco.

This kind of thing is also why I view myself as the highest value man in the room at all times…am I, objectively, by society’s socially conditioned value-system? Fuck no, definitely not lol But I believe that I’m more capable than basically every other man in the room of giving women the seductive and sexual experience they crave and respond to, and that a lot of guys with society’s version of “high-value” spent too much time earning that high-value to bother learning tight game and in one-on-one situations with girls, I’ll probably come out on top more consistently.

Juggler Method is probably the best resource for learning about Comfort/Rapport for guys interested in learning more.


  • kant
    on April 6, 2014 at 5:17 pm
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    It’s funny to read this and think my game is strong enough that I probably could’ve gotten the meetup / lay with this girl if I matched her on Tinder, but that an A-list leading man with shitty game can’t. Power of game for ya.

    Except I might have swiped left on her. She’s a low 7

    http://hollywoodlife.com/pics/james-franco-pics/#!3/lucy-clode-james-franco-girl-2/

    Shouldn’t this guy be banging super models?


    • Arbiter
      on April 6, 2014 at 6:06 pm
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      So 7 is “swiped left on” now? The score inflation keeps going up, while most of those involved pull 5s IRL and call them 7s and 8s online. As seen in forum pictures.


      • Scray
        on April 7, 2014 at 10:49 am
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        Yes, this. The vast majority of men would fail with even the chick in that pic. She’s young and pretty hot. I’d agree she’s a 7…maybe slightly higher….but 7 is pretty great.

        [CH: unfortunately, she has the telltale manjaw thing going on, which drops her a point.]



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YaReally
on April 6, 2014 at 4:40 pm
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Lazy sloppy game. Every girl wants to feel like a special unique snowflake, even if she’s some random 17yo who hasn’t done anything with her life except sprout tits and you’re an accomplished celebrity.

He had Attraction because he’s James Franco, but he didn’t bother to even try to get a little Comfort/Rapport (and it wouldn’t have taken much), so her ASD won’t let her do it.

This is the same thing that happens to a lot of intermediate PUAs when they first start collecting mass amounts of phone numbers and go out and open 20 sets, come out with 15 numbers, and then those numbers all flake. They were running flash game that got them Attraction, but Attraction doesn’t get you laid, Comfort does. So none of those 15 girls feels “special” and the guy gets 15 flakes until he learns that he needs to start adding Comfort/Rapport, qualifying/screening, etc. to his game.

Same time, he’s James Franco, so I’m sure he has no fucks to give and was probably taking a shit while txting this chick and has a dozen other girls banging on the door ready to suck his dick.

But it’s a good lesson for guys that a lot of stuff society deems high-value like looks, money, fame, muscles, height, etc. DO get you Attention, and that’s usually pretty easy to turn into Attraction, but you can still lose the lay if you don’t understand Comfort/Rapport…even if you’re an A-list celebrity like Franco.

This kind of thing is also why I view myself as the highest value man in the room at all times…am I, objectively, by society’s socially conditioned value-system? Fuck no, definitely not lol But I believe that I’m more capable than basically every other man in the room of giving women the seductive and sexual experience they crave and respond to, and that a lot of guys with society’s version of “high-value” spent too much time earning that high-value to bother learning tight game and in one-on-one situations with girls, I’ll probably come out on top more consistently.

Juggler Method is probably the best resource for learning about Comfort/Rapport for guys interested in learning more.


  • kant
    on April 6, 2014 at 5:17 pm
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    It’s funny to read this and think my game is strong enough that I probably could’ve gotten the meetup / lay with this girl if I matched her on Tinder, but that an A-list leading man with shitty game can’t. Power of game for ya.

    Except I might have swiped left on her. She’s a low 7

    http://hollywoodlife.com/pics/james-franco-pics/#!3/lucy-clode-james-franco-girl-2/

    Shouldn’t this guy be banging super models?


    • Scray
      on April 7, 2014 at 10:49 am
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      Yes, this. The vast majority of men would fail with even the chick in that pic. She’s young and pretty hot. I’d agree she’s a 7…maybe slightly higher….but 7 is pretty great.

      [CH: unfortunately, she has the telltale manjaw thing going on, which drops her a point.]



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27 of the 32. The life we lead…


  • Scray
    on April 2, 2014 at 11:14 am
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    I only got 16. But lol…late 2012 I only had like 2.

    [CH: you don't have to get all of them to be an alpha male. even one would be evidence of a latent alphaness.]


    • Scray
      on April 2, 2014 at 12:08 pm
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      wow. do most guys go through life without even getting 1, you think?

      [CH: it's a good bet.]


      • YaReally
        on April 3, 2014 at 4:39 am
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        “”wow. do most guys go through life without even getting 1, you think?

        [CH: it's a good bet.]”

        I made it to like age 23 with zero.

        If I hadn’t taken active steps to start coming out of my shell and learning to socialize and forcing myself to approach women and learn game, I could easily envision myself having made it to 30+ with zero. In fact after like 25 years of zero it would probably just continue effortlessly because “lack of success” would be normalized to me and I would be the guy saying “some guys have it and some don’t and I just don’t” and getting lost in Internet porn, videogames, and probably hookers.

        Like right now I can’t even imagine getting a hooker, the notion of paying for sex is so ridiculous to me that I couldn’t even picture myself going thru the motions of it…(hell these days I actively try to make girls buy me things and invest to get me to fuck them lol) I was talking about strippers hookers etc with the girl I banged tonight and when I said I don’t pay for sex she was like “ya because you don’t HAVE to.” like it was the most obvious thing in the world. I told her a bit about my history and she had assumed I’ve been getting laid since I was 12.

        Now if I had kept going down that path I was on, I probably would’ve focused more on money and made the logical conclusion of “I can’t get girls and I have money and some girls will act like they like me if I give them money, so this makes sense” and become a regular john which is a sad notion to me because I would never have known that I was capable of more.

        Because back then, in my mind the stuff that I’ve done and do now were things that other guys do or that only happen in movies. Like it wasn’t just “oh I don’t have the time to invest in learning that”, it was “that’s not a thing that’s possible for me to do no matter how much I tried or wanted it”

        I can’t even identify with that version of me, he’s like a whole different person because not only have I done a lot since but at this point it’s all so normalized and natural and “unconsciously competent” that it’s not even work or effort. It’s just normal. Like when I sent tonight’s chick home I just grin in the mirror because we had fun sex and then shower up and go about the rest of my night like it’s no big deal.

        So ya, I think there are a LOT of guys with zero on that list. But that’s not the sad part to me. The sad part to me is that I bet most if not all of those guys don’t have to stay that way…it takes work but they can unlock potential that they can’t even envision right now.



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27 of the 32. The life we lead…


  • Scray
    on April 2, 2014 at 11:14 am
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    I only got 16. But lol…late 2012 I only had like 2.

    [CH: you don’t have to get all of them to be an alpha male. even one would be evidence of a latent alphaness.]


    • YaReally
      on April 3, 2014 at 4:39 am
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      “”wow. do most guys go through life without even getting 1, you think?

      [CH: it’s a good bet.]”

      I made it to like age 23 with zero.

      If I hadn’t taken active steps to start coming out of my shell and learning to socialize and forcing myself to approach women and learn game, I could easily envision myself having made it to 30+ with zero. In fact after like 25 years of zero it would probably just continue effortlessly because “lack of success” would be normalized to me and I would be the guy saying “some guys have it and some don’t and I just don’t” and getting lost in Internet porn, videogames, and probably hookers.

      Like right now I can’t even imagine getting a hooker, the notion of paying for sex is so ridiculous to me that I couldn’t even picture myself going thru the motions of it…(hell these days I actively try to make girls buy me things and invest to get me to fuck them lol) I was talking about strippers hookers etc with the girl I banged tonight and when I said I don’t pay for sex she was like “ya because you don’t HAVE to.” like it was the most obvious thing in the world. I told her a bit about my history and she had assumed I’ve been getting laid since I was 12.

      Now if I had kept going down that path I was on, I probably would’ve focused more on money and made the logical conclusion of “I can’t get girls and I have money and some girls will act like they like me if I give them money, so this makes sense” and become a regular john which is a sad notion to me because I would never have known that I was capable of more.

      Because back then, in my mind the stuff that I’ve done and do now were things that other guys do or that only happen in movies. Like it wasn’t just “oh I don’t have the time to invest in learning that”, it was “that’s not a thing that’s possible for me to do no matter how much I tried or wanted it”

      I can’t even identify with that version of me, he’s like a whole different person because not only have I done a lot since but at this point it’s all so normalized and natural and “unconsciously competent” that it’s not even work or effort. It’s just normal. Like when I sent tonight’s chick home I just grin in the mirror because we had fun sex and then shower up and go about the rest of my night like it’s no big deal.

      So ya, I think there are a LOT of guys with zero on that list. But that’s not the sad part to me. The sad part to me is that I bet most if not all of those guys don’t have to stay that way…it takes work but they can unlock potential that they can’t even envision right now.



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on April 2, 2014 at 5:56 pm
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Scattershot a few girls today. Here’s what I got:

Me: Going to Fla. next week. Let’s get coffee
HB7 from Florida: (no reply) [I had tried a few weeks before; she answered several hours later. Acts really coy IRL, as if she likes me, but teases.]

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB7: Sorry, who is this?
Me: Corvinus
HB7: I’m pretty busy with work, sorry.

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB8: (no reply)

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB8: Haha hey Corvinus. Sorry, but I’m pretty booked right now!

Me: Hey [HB9-twisted nickname I use for her]
HB9: What up dog
Me: Let’s get coffee at [place] tmrw
HB9: I have a lot to do tomorrow such as lab

Hmm… how to cut through the “I’m too busy” problem? In fact, I find it’s far more of a problem now than IHAB.


  • YaReally
    on April 3, 2014 at 6:21 am
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    This is an example of what Scray’s talking about when he says the aloof text game stuff doesn’t work if you don’t have enough value to the girl. That doesn’t mean you aren’t a high-value dude or that she didn’t view you as high-value when you first met and got her number…it just means that for whatever reason your value at that point in time isn’t high enough to her (hell the reasons can even be out of your control like you have blonde hair and yesterday a blonde guy creeped out her friend and now she hates blonde guys this week even tho she loved that when you first met, like that’s something where you have no control).

    These responses are basically an indicator of “you don’t have high enough value for me to fit you into my schedule”, and it’s good that you did the same thing to all of them so you can see a consistent pattern of them giving no fucks so you know you have to fix something lol

    The basic problem is that you’re asking for too much compliance too soon, with not enough value. If I came up to you on the street on a day that you’re having a crappy day and said “give me a dollar.” you’d probably tell me to fuck off. But if I came up to you on the street and casually chatted with you, joked around and got you laughing and feeling good emotions, built a little connection with you swapping stories about our dogs that died when we were kids, got you laughing again and then said “hey you got a dollar on you? I’m half asleep and I have a business meeting and need to grab a coffee but I left my wallet at home.” you would probably give me a dollar, or a $5′er if you didn’t have a dollar handy.

    The difference between those two scenarios is that in the first one I didn’t have high-value to you or a connection or comfort/rapport AND you weren’t in a good state. It’s not that you wouldn’t be open to giving me a dollar, it’s that I was being uncalibrated and just barging in instead of pacing your reality and leading you into a good state and then pitching the dollar request.

    Sometimes you’ll catch the girl in a great state and the convo is just a quick push of “hey” “hi!!” “wow someone’s excited” “I just got a new job!!” “great then drinks are on you tonight” “lol no way” “fine, we’ll go dutch. BarName, 7pm.” “lol i dunno…” “shush don’t be gay.” “lol fuck you” “we’ll celebrate your new job. 7pm, BarName.” “lol okay”

    Sometimes the girl is totally out of state or having a bad week etc. and you have to invest in a long txt convo or multiple txt convos to get her into a good state.

    So you kind of throw out a normal txt first…I like to re-open with a cocky/funny tease like “don’t think I didn’t notice you sneaking around the bushes outside my bedroom window last night”, where she’s pretty much forced to respond even if it’s to be like “oh god lol” or “you wish”…like I just need ANY response, good or bad, because all I’m doing is trying to guage what kind of state she’s in.

    Based on her response I’ll calibrate and if she’s in a receptive state I’ll start to push for the meet-up, and if she’s not in a receptive state I’ll joke, tease, roleplay, etc. and get her laughing and into a better state. If she doesn’t respond or responds slow with one-word replies I’ll try to figure out from what I know about her whether she’s just busy at work or with something happening in real life on her end, or if she’s not interested at all but usually it’s the former so I’ll back off and end the convo and try again in a couple days at a different time of day (maybe every day around 10am she has work stress but 2 days later I text her at 8pm and she’s done work and relaxed watching some funny TV show and is horny/flirty).

    Once I know she’s lol’ing on her end, I’ll push for the meet-up and try to neutralize any of her objections either with hardcore plowing responses (like “i have plans” gets “cancel them, I’m more fun” or “i have lab tomorrow” gets “it’s fine, one drink, we’ll have you home asleep for your lab by 10.” etc.) or neutralizing them in advance (I know she’ll object to meeting up because she thinks I’m going to try to have sex with her so I’ll say “one drink, but we’re not having sex, I have an early morning tomorrow.” and kind of take that objection away before she can use it).

    If you made a super boss impression on her when you first met her and got the number, and it’s within a few days of that interaction, you can probably be more aloof/direct. Brad Pitt could txt “let’s get coffee.” out of the blue a month later but it’s because he has massively high value to the girl by default.

    But if you only made a decent impression or if you made a super boss impression but it’s a week or two later, or she was drunk that night, or for whatever reason maybe she’s embarrassed from making out with you that night or she’s hungover and tired and not feeling flirty or a million other things, then you probably have to build your value up again (basically reminding her of how high-value you are since she exchanged numbers with you at a point where she saw you as high-value) and THEN push for coffee.

    It’s all super logical. The key thing to remember is that your value to her is ALWAYS in a state of fluctuation and if she doesn’t know you well, it’s in a state of slowly trickling downward. Like Brad Pitt or the alpha to an “alpha widow” will always have high value even if she never sees or talks to him again in her life. But the guy from the bar that one night’s value will slowly trickle downward over time, esp as she meets other guys from the bar that one night and they make newer impressions on her or they make bad impressions and she associates them with you etc. My point is: when you re-engage her via txt, assume that you’re re-sarging her from the start…it’s a smaller shorter faster sarge because you already know she can be attracted to you since you have her number, but you still have to go through the motions.


    • theasdgamer
      on April 3, 2014 at 8:30 am
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      Great comment. Lots of details and analysis. Are you autistic?


      • SFG
        on April 3, 2014 at 8:39 am
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        Ex-betas always write the best about this stuff; the natural alphas do it too unconsciously to be able to articulate it. They’ll say ‘just be yourself’ or some useless advice like that, because, well, that’s what they do, they be themselves, and it works for them…no further thought required.


        • Canadian Friend
          on April 3, 2014 at 9:33 am
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          ” …Ex-betas always write the best about this stuff; the natural alphas do it too unconsciously to be able to articulate it. … ”

          good observation


          • Scray
            on April 3, 2014 at 1:27 pm
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            yeah but what’s unusual is that Ya has come so far and like, can still break it down so that someone fresh can understand what’s going on. That seems rare. Because as I progress, my general ‘breakdown’ of situations is less ‘X, Y, Z D-H-V’ and more ‘ya just don’t be a faggot.’ So I feel like I’m losing the ability to explain exactly what’s going on….or I’d have to sit and really think about it.



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Scattershot a few girls today. Here’s what I got:

Me: Going to Fla. next week. Let’s get coffee
HB7 from Florida: (no reply) [I had tried a few weeks before; she answered several hours later. Acts really coy IRL, as if she likes me, but teases.]

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB7: Sorry, who is this?
Me: Corvinus
HB7: I’m pretty busy with work, sorry.

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB8: (no reply)

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB8: Haha hey Corvinus. Sorry, but I’m pretty booked right now!

Me: Hey [HB9-twisted nickname I use for her]
HB9: What up dog
Me: Let’s get coffee at [place] tmrw
HB9: I have a lot to do tomorrow such as lab

Hmm… how to cut through the “I’m too busy” problem? In fact, I find it’s far more of a problem now than IHAB.


  • YaReally
    on April 3, 2014 at 6:21 am
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    This is an example of what Scray’s talking about when he says the aloof text game stuff doesn’t work if you don’t have enough value to the girl. That doesn’t mean you aren’t a high-value dude or that she didn’t view you as high-value when you first met and got her number…it just means that for whatever reason your value at that point in time isn’t high enough to her (hell the reasons can even be out of your control like you have blonde hair and yesterday a blonde guy creeped out her friend and now she hates blonde guys this week even tho she loved that when you first met, like that’s something where you have no control).

    These responses are basically an indicator of “you don’t have high enough value for me to fit you into my schedule”, and it’s good that you did the same thing to all of them so you can see a consistent pattern of them giving no fucks so you know you have to fix something lol

    The basic problem is that you’re asking for too much compliance too soon, with not enough value. If I came up to you on the street on a day that you’re having a crappy day and said “give me a dollar.” you’d probably tell me to fuck off. But if I came up to you on the street and casually chatted with you, joked around and got you laughing and feeling good emotions, built a little connection with you swapping stories about our dogs that died when we were kids, got you laughing again and then said “hey you got a dollar on you? I’m half asleep and I have a business meeting and need to grab a coffee but I left my wallet at home.” you would probably give me a dollar, or a $5’er if you didn’t have a dollar handy.

    The difference between those two scenarios is that in the first one I didn’t have high-value to you or a connection or comfort/rapport AND you weren’t in a good state. It’s not that you wouldn’t be open to giving me a dollar, it’s that I was being uncalibrated and just barging in instead of pacing your reality and leading you into a good state and then pitching the dollar request.

    Sometimes you’ll catch the girl in a great state and the convo is just a quick push of “hey” “hi!!” “wow someone’s excited” “I just got a new job!!” “great then drinks are on you tonight” “lol no way” “fine, we’ll go dutch. BarName, 7pm.” “lol i dunno…” “shush don’t be gay.” “lol fuck you” “we’ll celebrate your new job. 7pm, BarName.” “lol okay”

    Sometimes the girl is totally out of state or having a bad week etc. and you have to invest in a long txt convo or multiple txt convos to get her into a good state.

    So you kind of throw out a normal txt first…I like to re-open with a cocky/funny tease like “don’t think I didn’t notice you sneaking around the bushes outside my bedroom window last night”, where she’s pretty much forced to respond even if it’s to be like “oh god lol” or “you wish”…like I just need ANY response, good or bad, because all I’m doing is trying to guage what kind of state she’s in.

    Based on her response I’ll calibrate and if she’s in a receptive state I’ll start to push for the meet-up, and if she’s not in a receptive state I’ll joke, tease, roleplay, etc. and get her laughing and into a better state. If she doesn’t respond or responds slow with one-word replies I’ll try to figure out from what I know about her whether she’s just busy at work or with something happening in real life on her end, or if she’s not interested at all but usually it’s the former so I’ll back off and end the convo and try again in a couple days at a different time of day (maybe every day around 10am she has work stress but 2 days later I text her at 8pm and she’s done work and relaxed watching some funny TV show and is horny/flirty).

    Once I know she’s lol’ing on her end, I’ll push for the meet-up and try to neutralize any of her objections either with hardcore plowing responses (like “i have plans” gets “cancel them, I’m more fun” or “i have lab tomorrow” gets “it’s fine, one drink, we’ll have you home asleep for your lab by 10.” etc.) or neutralizing them in advance (I know she’ll object to meeting up because she thinks I’m going to try to have sex with her so I’ll say “one drink, but we’re not having sex, I have an early morning tomorrow.” and kind of take that objection away before she can use it).

    If you made a super boss impression on her when you first met her and got the number, and it’s within a few days of that interaction, you can probably be more aloof/direct. Brad Pitt could txt “let’s get coffee.” out of the blue a month later but it’s because he has massively high value to the girl by default.

    But if you only made a decent impression or if you made a super boss impression but it’s a week or two later, or she was drunk that night, or for whatever reason maybe she’s embarrassed from making out with you that night or she’s hungover and tired and not feeling flirty or a million other things, then you probably have to build your value up again (basically reminding her of how high-value you are since she exchanged numbers with you at a point where she saw you as high-value) and THEN push for coffee.

    It’s all super logical. The key thing to remember is that your value to her is ALWAYS in a state of fluctuation and if she doesn’t know you well, it’s in a state of slowly trickling downward. Like Brad Pitt or the alpha to an “alpha widow” will always have high value even if she never sees or talks to him again in her life. But the guy from the bar that one night’s value will slowly trickle downward over time, esp as she meets other guys from the bar that one night and they make newer impressions on her or they make bad impressions and she associates them with you etc. My point is: when you re-engage her via txt, assume that you’re re-sarging her from the start…it’s a smaller shorter faster sarge because you already know she can be attracted to you since you have her number, but you still have to go through the motions.


    • Scray
      on April 3, 2014 at 1:27 pm
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      yeah but what’s unusual is that Ya has come so far and like, can still break it down so that someone fresh can understand what’s going on. That seems rare. Because as I progress, my general ‘breakdown’ of situations is less ‘X, Y, Z D-H-V’ and more ‘ya just don’t be a faggot.’ So I feel like I’m losing the ability to explain exactly what’s going on….or I’d have to sit and really think about it.