Easiest way for me to take your girlfriend is for you to be mate-guarding her.
The very notion of mate-guarding implies that to you, there are other men around who are higher value than you that your girl would fuck (because of Hypergamy), which by default implies that you see yourself as lower value than some of the men you are mate-guarding her from…because if you KNEW you were super high-value, better than any other man in the room, you wouldn’t have to mate-guard because you would know your girl wasn’t going to ditch you for one of them (again because of Hypergamy). So mate-guarding instantly establishes that you view other men in the room as potentially higher-value than you, and, since girls ping off their environment to know what to feel (which is why if you say “hi” confidently, she’ll love you but if you say it like you’re worried you’re creepy, she’ll be creeped out, she’s pinging off you and her friends responses to you to know how to feel), when she pings off you she’s going to get the message that “there are potentially higher-value men in this room” and her Hypergamy is going to instinctively start looking for who those higher-value men are. What higher-value means to her is unique to her outside of the basic hard-wired stuff (confidence, social proof, etc.)…like she may have a bad reference experience with a rich boyfriend who snubbed her for his career too much so you being rich doesn’t necessarily make you high-value to her, but the point is that she’ll start looking for her high-value triggers.
So the instant you mate-guard, that entire paragraph above this sentence flashes through my head in a millisecond and I completely have the upper-hand because I know you down to your core, especially based on HOW you mate-guard (does it seem insecure, angry/jealous, like you’d throw a punch, like you’re controlling, like you’re a big vagina pussy?) and then I read another huge chunk of information about you from that and calibrate (if you’re a pussy I can just talk directly to the girl, if you’re a big scary jealous guy I’ll talk to your buddies and make them like me, then you and make you like me, all the while indirectly DHV’ing my value to your girl).
Once you’ve indicated to us all that you don’t think you’re the highest value man in the room, the absolute minimum that I need to get your girl is:
1) to make eye-contact with her for like, even just one second, because I’m communicating shit to her through my eye-contact/sub-comms
2) about a minute of isolation with her…isolation can simply be you having your back to her even tho she’s standing right beside you. I basically just need to be able to say stuff to her for about a minute. In that minute I’ll AMOG you to her, DHV myself to her, and use a super subtle #-close. She’ll get a txt at work the next day when you’re not around, and she’ll save my name as Jessica.
It’s that easy…and it’s that easy BECAUSE you mate-guarded and signaled to her and I that you don’t feel like you’re the highest-value man in the room. YOU, the mate-guarding guy, created that opportunity for me lol
How do you stop me?
Believe you’re the highest-value guy in the room and BE the highest-value guy in the room to her, because then she’ll see me as lower-value than you and her Hypergamy won’t let her cheat with me and you don’t have to mate-guard or anything…I’ve said before that the only type of girls that are impossible for me to get are the ones who are madly in love with their man and see him as the highest-value guy around.
And/or don’t let me get your girl alone in any way. Except that’s hard to do, because if you try to prevent me from getting your girl alone, you have to do mate-guarding things, which starts the chain of events that lead to my getting an opportunity to get her lol That’s why I encourage the former option (handle your shit and fully believe you’re the highest-value man in the room, even if that’s objectively delusional), because that’s the only secure method…trying to keep me from getting your girl alone is gambling. Even then, one tactic that’s been going around for a bit is to whisper into the girl’s ear quick “tell him I’m your gay friend”. She says it, because she’s intrigued, and you’re disarmed because “oh this is some gay co-worker or something” and let your guard down and, even right in front of you, he can say to the girl “oh I haven’t seen you in years, I don’t have your number anymore!” and get her phone number…all the ballsy opening and the fun intrigue/roleplay and everything is a huge DHV spike to her so if you’ve been a schlub in your relationship, she’ll go along with all this.
…which brings us back to, again: the best way to keep your girl from fucking other guys is to fully believe you’re higher-value than all of them, and personally work on becoming higher-value than all of them…don’t slack off on your relationship, ’cause all I need is a minute alone and some eye-contact and the YaReally boogeyman will get your girl lol
This seems like….so advanced. Most everyone here is on step 1 — let go of the Disneyland fairytale beautiful angel princess girl that never had sex (or kinky sex) with anyone but you ever.
Here’s a question, tho. So, back in the day when it was more in the early stages of 7 and I’s relationship, I’d instigate drama. Like, maybe a good looking guy who showed interest in her so I would just do shit like say ‘ya she’s all yours’ and walk off.
Anyway, she’s still around and everything…..and sometimes when I do see her she says she misses shit like that. And when it did happen she always SEEMED to go for it — chase after me etc. and shouting matches (tho I’m not proud of that).
I don’t do it now because I’m fast approaching a ‘let go of all control’ state of inner game. But I’m wondering why me mate guarding worked out ‘well.’ It shouldn’t have…it was butthurt and mean at times and obviously insecure and reactive. Or maybe it didn’t work out well and I just can’t see the big picture.
One thing the study did not appear to correct for: the physical attractiveness of the man himself. Wearing the exact same outfit, does a short man get a different reaction than a tall one? Does a man with high facial attractiveness get a different reaction than one who doesn’t have that?
[CH: no sock puppeting. the answer to your oh so sincere question is that the same participants were used in the different study scenarios, so any differences in perception were relative to the context rather than the individual.]
Peacocking is a gambit. The short/ugly/whatever guy who peacocks will get shit tested way harder — and so arguably derives more benefit from peacocking.
So ya…high risk/high reward. If you’re a short guy and you peacock (in whatever way) but crush a few shit tests — esp in a group setting — you are on god mode.
Yep. Watch Cupid Schmupid on YouTube crushing shit-tests left and right for an example. The harder they test you, the more attraction you build when you pass that test. I don’t peacock anymore but I instigate shit-tests verbally by saying extremely offensive/crude things and then passing the shit-tests that result from that. Same concept, different instigating technique.
I’m trying to get into that. The only problem I have is that I can’t open with that stuff yet. I usually open relatively normally, and then I drop that stuff a few minutes into the interaction.
Usual Mystery disclaimer for any haters:
Mystery’s goal was to pick up strippers, bartenders, and the crazy peacocked up chicks partying in Hollywood/Vegas nightclubs that other guys just stare at from afar. So his level of peacocking was meant for those girls, not the plain jane 6 at your local pub where it would be overkill.
Did he get them all the time? No. Did he look weird going out like that to a lot of people/girls? Ya. Doesn’t matter, his intent was going for the peacocked girls where his level of peacocking put him on their radar where Bob from accounting in a button-down is invisible.
The usual Mystery vid for the haters:
And one last note: Science now backs up all the shit he taught everyone…but he didn’t have a room full of scientists and shit to safely gather the results. He went out night after night in tough cities like snowy Toronto and pretentious L.A. and put himself out there, for public ridicule, slowly narrowing down the keys to all this. Nobody hating on him would EVER have the balls to put themselves out there the way he did, just to gather knowledge to then share with other men. I know a shit-ton of guys who won’t even go out dressed NORMAL and approach girls because they’re terrified of social pressure and judgement. Dude was ballsy as fuck.
where is he now?
oh yeah, that’s right. can’t peacock your way out of your “internal game” or “frame” of being a punk bitch.
lol wat’s wrong with that pic? He’s got a (from the pic at least) good looking girl and a kid. Ya wat a faggot, I guess.
Irrelevant (and not the worst fate if you ARE a dude who wants to settle down with a wife hotter than most 40+yo guys have and raise a kid).
He could go out and suck a bunch of dicks and it wouldn’t change the face that he’s seen more and hotter pussy than you will in your life, and has contributed more to the benefit of men and getting men laid than you could ever hope to.
But keep throwing those stones lol we’re all waiting to see your video montage. :)
My goal is pretty much the model hoes. Don’t care how long it takes.
You will get there….currently talking to a model and two strippers. This is real life. This is happening. We’re all gonna make it, brah.
way to refute my points with straw man arguments once again, you RSD shill
the point was, like the rest of your idols, the guy was beta to the CORE. all the mimicry in the world doesn’t change the fact he wifed a cumdump who smokes squares in front of her bastard while he pushes the stroller
enjoy the boa’s tyler tickles your balls with i guess
Again, irrelevant. What he does now or where he ended up doesn’t change the validity of the knowledge he taught. The first guy to figure out lifting heavy things made your muscles grow probably didn’t end up looking like Bruce Lee or Schwartzeneger. He started the knowledge and people passed it down through generations and improved on it.
You’re too caught up in your jealousy-boner to realize how silly you look. Brb an athlete became fat and out of shape so his game-winning touchdowns and all the football strategy he taught other players to win hundreds of games is no longer relevant.
I tried recording a video but my camera couldn’t zoom out far enough to capture all of your mom.
‘ philosophy or dogma (at least through one’s lifetime) should remain consistent, particularly if you’ve charged money for it’
more talking out of your ass. even philosophers change their outlook over time. your entire point is nonsense.
This is just a troll.
This post could be summarized by: Guys like girls who can be whores in bed.
But doesn’t this point to a problem with our logic? We love girls who are slutty and will let us do anything, so it’s in our best interest to encourage as many girls to be as slutty as possible to increase our bang chances, but then we complain that there aren’t any “good girls” out there. They’re all sluts now.
It seems to me like it was the betas of the yesteryears who couldn’t get laid, so they encouraged their women to be sluttier. The logic being if they’re looser with sex then the betas will have an easier time. Only that didn’t happen. The sluts went for alphas. And now we’re encouraging girls to go even futher into super-slut-mode?
It’s a lot easier to process this once a guy 1) beats his insecurities that make him jealous that she’s actually touched a dick before she met him, and 2) accepts that there is no madonna or whore, they’re all both of those things and how judgemental the guy she’s interacting with is determines which side of her he gets to see.
Now cue my haters who are still clinging to their unicorn hunt lol
All girls are sluts depending on the circumstance. No exceptions (realized that early on and confirmed it from your archives).
As a red piller straight out the gate my sexual conquest is pretty much a reversal of what most men, even those in the manosphere strive for. The trick for me is to focus on degrading the good girls the best I can. Instead of holding a horny virgin down against her hypergamous will all the while praying she doesn’t deep throat her dickhead boss behind my back. You sacrifice having an ltr. For in my scenario, she can fuck whoever she wants and I am perfectly okay with it because no one else can degrade her as much as I am. The strategy maintains a sense of ownership without the risk of being invested in a porn watching Mandingo fantasizing slut. Plus like you said, it eliminates your own judgement automatically multiplying the number of hardcore bedroom antics. I’d rather be the dude with the sex tape of me and my friend nailing some college babe than be the sorry chump who married that same woman down the road as she fingers herself imagining all the wicked stuff I did to her.
Sure they can degrade her more than you, lol. They can just do whatever you did better. Who cares if you were first?
‘than be the sorry chump who married that same woman down the road as she fingers herself imagining all the wicked stuff I did to her.’
Lol the dude who marries her could be way into that shit and be way more insane. This is the problem with your line of thinking. You just equate first with best or ‘most degrading.’ A lot of the time that isn’t true.
She could laugh at you and your friend for being faggots who could only get her into a devil’s threesome while she and her hot friend are sucking off her husband, etc. etc. etc.
dude it’s not a unicorn hunt. it’s a fine line between whore and marriage material. marriage ain’t in your paradigm? happy days, it’s in mine and a kill count matters to this guy.
“it’s in mine and a kill count matters to this guy.”
And that’s why she simply won’t tell you her real count. Because they spend their entire lives from puberty on, learning to read which people will judge them and erring on the side of being cautious about who they tell the truth to.
She’ll let you think you’re the first to appease your ego/insecurity, and she may even convince herself “that one blowjob didn’t count I didn’t even like him. And that time in Mexico well I won’t ever see Juan again so that doesn’t count.” A handful of girls I’ve done fucked up stuff with have txted me about how they’re trying to get their BF to do it too and how they’re pretending it’s their first time.
There are women with higher and lower sex drives, but if you think the 7/10+ college girl in a major city in 2014 hasn’t touched a few cocks, you live in a dream world lol
I had a comment on this that got eaten… everyone assumes that the girl who is willing to be a slut with you is by nature promiscuous. It’s not true. There are girls who need the security of a monogamous relationship to BE slutty in bed with you.
Yeah. I can understand people being worried about sluts, if they want LTRS/marriage, because sluts just give sex out for cheap, i.e. less self-control. But that’s different from a woman who just enjoys sex with her relationship partners.
Ya. You can test the limits of your current game by observing what you do around a certain type of girl. When you default to using the routines you learned in the beginning, that’s the current maximum reach. So, if that happens to you with 6′s, then that’s your current limit. I just kno that with the 8′s I fall back on the classic material I used to have. It works, it’s fine…but I’m aware of the fact that ‘ya, for now, this seems to be the outer reach.’
@ BuenaVista: An informed comment with examples from the real world! I am chocked, is this still the internet?
@ Scray: About 6s, etc. I think there is a lot of inflation in this grading system. 6s being your outer limit, well, that’s no problem. 6 is attractive. I’d say the majority of women are either 5 (plain) or 6 (attractive at an ordinary level). I will admit it: most attractive women I have slept with have been sixes. I strongly doubt many here can say otherwise. And yet, we usually see guys saying “I pulled a 7 last weekend….” Every 6 turns to a 7 come the field report.
I never inflate my rankings — I try to be as accurate as possible, which sometimes can end up with me going back and forth — like between 5 and 6…or 6 and 7…which is why the decimal places are good for me. That’s why I express jubilation at hooking up with a 7 and nerdy disbelief at catching the interest of an 8 (and also disclose lying to an 8 to get her to do stuff with me lol). I agree with you that 6 is attractive.
I’d say the majority of women are actually 4′s, because the majority of women are fat. So, even having average beauty, still makes a woman in this day and age, above average with re: to incidence of attractiveness.
Most good looking normal dudes (and guys with game) who just passively wait for girls to approach them VS cold approaching get 6s and at best 7s with a suuuuuuper rare 8 thrown in. Usually they end up with 6s who are just hot enough to not be completely embarrassed tapping but also plain enough to know that they have to do the work and approach the cool guy standing with his drink up at his chest. And if that 8 you had your eye on hasn’t noticed you or approached you or ordered a drink beside you by last call and that 6 is still there running her hands down your chest, you’ll go fuck the 6 and think about the 8 as you do it lol human nature, it plays out every night in bars everywhere.
It’s not at all impossible for a guy with game who’s cold approaching to get hotter. If you wait for a signal from them or for them to open you you have to hope one of the 10 hottest girls in the bar is into you from afar and gives you an opportunity. I can approach all 10 of those girls, and even if I get blown out by all of them I can then go to the next bar to approach the 10 hottest girls there…why would I bother with anything below a 7 when I have that skillset down? The only reason to mingle with the <7s at that stage is to get warmed up and self-amuse and get in a fun mood so that when the 9 walks by it's no big deal to grab her and pull her in.
Now if a guy said he was pulling 7+ girls consistently every night off his first approach, I'd be skeptical. But if I'm willing to blow through 30 8s and 9s my field report is probably going to say I banged a 9. I'm at a point now where I'd rather go home solo than with anything under a 7 lol I'm old I don't want to waste what little time I have left in this life banging average chicks. But other guys have higher sex drives and don't care. I also like working on the skillset, like being out and gaming is fun to me, whereas some guys see it as work or a chore or a "necessary evil" to get laid, so even a night where I just approach hot girls but go home solo I don't care, it was fun and I pushed myself and did more than 99% of the guys in the bar.
Passive game limits your results severely because you can only choose from the women who choose you. This is why we encourage guys to cold approach and go for what we want.
Yeah, I’m close to breaking this plateau, I feel it…like, there’s a higher level to the game when you’re gunning for the real hotties…the models, the high end strippers.
It’s good when you post stuff like this because it helps with the internals that I think all guys —or at least me esp — need to have.
Ya. You can test the limits of your current game by observing what you do around a certain type of girl. When you default to using the routines you learned in the beginning, that’s the current maximum reach. So, if that happens to you with 6’s, then that’s your current limit. I just kno that with the 8’s I fall back on the classic material I used to have. It works, it’s fine…but I’m aware of the fact that ‘ya, for now, this seems to be the outer reach.’
‘Because, dear beta, you must impress upon people you are those virtuous things by choice, and not by necessity.’
Really just do whatever the fuck you want whenever you want, tho. Unrestrict yourself, and the rest will follow.
Nah, you have to understand when you are breaking rapport and when you need to reestablish it. It’s not just do whatever you want. Don’t be afraid to break rapport is the takeaway.
You already understand this shit. It’s in your DNA. You are a biological machine designed to survive. Your instincts have been forged over eons. Do you honestly believe that ‘breaking rapport’ was a nothing concept until someone explicated it in a book? C’mon. Someone observed it, then wrote it down.
Just try it. Start doing whatever you want and expressing yourself. Stop trying to control shit. Your days will feel much more full.
Well, you can compare it to fighting. Instinctively you know how to fight. But to be truly good at it, especially when you compete with others who also have the same instinct, instructions can help. Some are greatly talented and don’t need instructions at all, but I think most would benefit. And this is especially true if you have lived a long life of never doing much fighting, and when those around you have always frowned upon fighting.
Ya. The best way to learn how to fight is to fight continuously — better fighters than you. You can train and shit, but ultimately it really doesn’t matter until you step inside the ring: everybody’s got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
By just putting yourself in the ring and doing whatever you can/want…you’ll learn over time what works for you and what you need to work on.
Ya, I agree. I’ve spent a lot of time around Naturals who are just winging it and that is awesome to a point, it’ll get you farther than like 90% of normal guys get. But even tho they’re my buddies, a trained PUA would easily take girls off them no problem and leave them wondering wtf just happened.
Same way the guy who’s done great in a bunch of bar brawls will take a fast flowing solid combo from a trained boxer and wake up on the floor wondering wtf just happened and why he couldn’t land a punch on the guy.
Like one on one with the girl, no interference or obstacles or distractions or anything, ya just expressing yourself and doing what you want is great and is enough to get you laid and for a lot of guys that’s all they want/need. But there are levels beyond that that require training.