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Zombie Shane
on January 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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> “Someone new to game will say, “Ah, the crass beer goggles line is the ticket to endless poon!” without realizing that the game is not the line, but instead is, as YaReally stated, the underlying concept of “push/tease/disqualify”.”

This is PRECISELY the sort of thing that I’ve been saying about how we need to start making a list and categorizing the various lines by THE IQ OF THE CHICK WHO WILL BE ON THE RECEIVING END of the line in question.

If you try “I could get a lapdance for that $20″ on a chick with an IQ of 130+ with an IVY or near-IVY edumakashun, who doesn’t otherwise know you, and has no other information by which to judge you, then she will recoil from you in disgust.

Whereas, “no high maintenance” is much more of what you want to be hitting the super smart chicks with.

That and dropping some not so subtle hints about how they WILL be expected to cook dinner for you.


  • Scray
    on January 30, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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    I’m telling you IQ is less important than you believe it is. Women generally just appreciate being flirted with — you’re making the mistake of thinking they’re listening to the content of your words. They’re more listening to your tone and watching how you carry yourself for cues on how to react.


    • Tilikum
      on January 30, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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      in the middle of the curve…average women and men.. yes.

      BUT if you are on this site and learning this shit then you are exhibiting the ability to observe, assess, judge the situation properly, and then act……. to adapt….. that places you above the average range.

      this, in time, elevates you (and if you are doing it right and focusing on congruence) out of the average. this means that you will draw attentions of smarter, more feminine chicks with a supply problem. possibly the ones worthy of your paternal investment.

      broads read this reality and judge you on your merits in two seconds. if you really want to become a superior man, don’t fight it. :)


      • Zombie Shane
        on January 30, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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        The really hard thing is recalibrating on the fly.

        Either badly over-estimating a chick’s IQ, and lobbing a Monty-Python-esque rib-splitter way over her head.

        Or else badly under-estimating a chick’s IQ, and saying something really crass and déclassé in what should you should have realized to be a much more formal setting.

        In either direction, going with the wrong line [either way too smart, or way too dumb] is gonna get you labeled as “creepy”, unless you can think on your feet and come up with a way to reframe the conversation in the blink of an eye.

        Here I find that HBD Theory [Human Bio Diversity Theory] is hugely beneficial.

        For much of the last few years, I’ve spent a lot of time studying folks’ facial bone structures, and nose shapes, and lip shapes, and hair types, and body curvature, etc etc etc…

        And I’m getting to the point where I can pretty much distinguish whether a light-skinned chick is of British or German extraction, whether an olive-skinned chick is of Sicilian or Jewish extraction, etc etc etc.

        And just knowing her genealogical stock [and what HBD Theory would then predict about her intelligence and her personality and her outlook on life] is hugely beneficial in figuring out how to frame your approach.

        Beyond that – any little piece of information you can glean – the bumper sticker on the back of her car or the slogan on her tee shirt ["Yes We Can" -vs- "Duck Dynasty"], a glance over her shoulder at her iTunes playlist ["Mozart Violin Concerto" -vs- Beyoncé grinding with Jay Z], the book she’s carrying in her hand [Jane Austen versus Harlequin Romance], etc etc etc.

        Any insight whatsoever which will help to give you a foundation upon which to build your plan of attack.


        • Zombie Shane
          on January 30, 2014 at 4:04 pm
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          1) Example of overshooting and having to go hard downmarket on the fly:

          It’s only May 15th, and she’s already dressed in white.

          YOU: “I thought y’all womenfolk weren’t supposed to be wearing white until after Memorial Day…”

          HER [with a quizzical look on her face]: “Wha chew talkin bout?”

          YOU [reframing on the fly]: “Oh, I just heard that it was kinda like taking a deer out of season and then hoping and praying that the Game Warden don’t find out about it.”

          ***************

          2) Example of undershooting and having to go hard upmarket on the fly.

          You’re walking to class and you think that you recognize the book in her arms as being “Theory and Practicum for the Licensed Nurse’s Aide.”

          YOU: “So you’re studying about changing them bedpans?”

          HER [with a look of horror on her face]: “WHAT?!? This is Theory and Practical Examples in Ancient Greek.”

          YOU [reframing on the fly]: “Yes, and I said, ‘Are you studying the Attic second declension?’”

          HER: “Huh?”

          YOU: “The Attic second declension. You’ll learn about it next semester. Here, carry my backpack for me.”


          • YaReally
            on January 31, 2014 at 9:06 am
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            @Zombie

            God. Just stop posting. Please. Just stop.

            “Either badly over-estimating a chick’s IQ, and lobbing a Monty-Python-esque rib-splitter way over her head.

            Or else badly under-estimating a chick’s IQ, and saying something really crass and déclassé in what should you should have realized to be a much more formal setting.”

            You’re reacting to her. Whoever reacts more to the other person has lower value. Your entire jockey theory complete with terribly awkward imaginary approaches is based around “how can I impress her??” instead of “does she qualify to be with me?”

            Just no. Please. Stop posting. I’m only like 4 posts into your comments in this thread and I can see there’s more and I’ll end up reading them to watch the train wreck but please stop and go outside.



The Universality Of Game Concepts

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Zombie Shane
on January 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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> “Someone new to game will say, “Ah, the crass beer goggles line is the ticket to endless poon!” without realizing that the game is not the line, but instead is, as YaReally stated, the underlying concept of “push/tease/disqualify”.”

This is PRECISELY the sort of thing that I’ve been saying about how we need to start making a list and categorizing the various lines by THE IQ OF THE CHICK WHO WILL BE ON THE RECEIVING END of the line in question.

If you try “I could get a lapdance for that $20″ on a chick with an IQ of 130+ with an IVY or near-IVY edumakashun, who doesn’t otherwise know you, and has no other information by which to judge you, then she will recoil from you in disgust.

Whereas, “no high maintenance” is much more of what you want to be hitting the super smart chicks with.

That and dropping some not so subtle hints about how they WILL be expected to cook dinner for you.


  • Scray
    on January 30, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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    I’m telling you IQ is less important than you believe it is. Women generally just appreciate being flirted with — you’re making the mistake of thinking they’re listening to the content of your words. They’re more listening to your tone and watching how you carry yourself for cues on how to react.


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 9:06 am
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      @Zombie

      God. Just stop posting. Please. Just stop.

      “Either badly over-estimating a chick’s IQ, and lobbing a Monty-Python-esque rib-splitter way over her head.

      Or else badly under-estimating a chick’s IQ, and saying something really crass and déclassé in what should you should have realized to be a much more formal setting.”

      You’re reacting to her. Whoever reacts more to the other person has lower value. Your entire jockey theory complete with terribly awkward imaginary approaches is based around “how can I impress her??” instead of “does she qualify to be with me?”

      Just no. Please. Stop posting. I’m only like 4 posts into your comments in this thread and I can see there’s more and I’ll end up reading them to watch the train wreck but please stop and go outside.



The Universality Of Game Concepts

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Scray
on January 30, 2014 at 1:58 pm
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Yes.

Congruency is King. Aka expressing interest like a non-sperglord.

[CH: On a related theme, there is a time and place for contrast game. Post on this coming soon.]


  • Scray
    on January 30, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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    I’m pretty sure that the greatest, best contrast game to master is ‘snake in the grass’ beta imitation game. Promise commitment, flowers, etc. up until the bang. Then proceed to go full asshole. I would think that this would maximize a man’s short-term mate quality.

    //
    will get back to ya’ll, still trying it out…


    • Tilikum
      on January 30, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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      what you described is fucking social suicide! Don’t pull that shit within two cities of where you live. girls are fucking stupid and will punish you for reminding them of it..

      Beta game is when you have the value built and in the bank.

      Dude, seriously…you doin ok?


      • Scray
        on January 30, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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        how is it social suicide? if it gets back around to me — and I fucking hope it’s a girl who asks — “oh yeah, I really wanted to give her everything….but she just wasn’t ready.” My word against hers. And since a) girls LOVE fucking over their friends and b) girls are also jealous of their friends and likely to believe the worst….and c) because the girl is better looking than me, so the scenario likely has played out this way before…the chances of me coming out smelling like a rose seem pretty high. Not to mention having a shot at the friend, now.

        ……….

        this may be the most devious, yet brilliant scheme. just stay tuned.
        If it works, I probably won’t do it again. but holy shit man……the powwweeeeeerz


        • YaReally
          on January 31, 2014 at 9:43 am
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          @Scray

          Leave them better than you found them. Fuckin guy.

          Use martial arts to protect your loved ones, not be the playground bully taking people’s lunch money.

          It makes me sad that you would be excited to do this. Yes, it will absolutely work. No shit it’ll work. But it says something about how far into scarcity you are right now when that’s what you have to resort to. This is some low-value shit right here.


          • Scray
            on January 31, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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            The stuff I’m saying above is just an escape plan if it blows up in my face so that I can cover myself. But it’s not like I don’t care about this girl or don’t think she’d be good with me. At the same time, I just feel like I’m doing what’s necessary to secure the kind of attraction/value she needs to have/feel I have for it to work.

            And yeah, I can admit scarcity — she’s the hottest girl I’ve been with. Beauty is addictive, man.
            But I feel like I’m in a bind — I feel like I have to deploy the hard alpha low maintenance stuff for awhile to change the frame, a frame she wouldn’t have accepted (or hey, maybe I couldn’t make her accept with my current skillset) at first before we did our thing.

            I mean, do you think this just means there’s no way I can leave her better than I found her?



The Universality Of Game Concepts

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Scray
on January 30, 2014 at 1:58 pm
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Yes.

Congruency is King. Aka expressing interest like a non-sperglord.

[CH: On a related theme, there is a time and place for contrast game. Post on this coming soon.]


  • Scray
    on January 30, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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    I’m pretty sure that the greatest, best contrast game to master is ‘snake in the grass’ beta imitation game. Promise commitment, flowers, etc. up until the bang. Then proceed to go full asshole. I would think that this would maximize a man’s short-term mate quality.

    //
    will get back to ya’ll, still trying it out…


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 9:43 am
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      @Scray

      Leave them better than you found them. Fuckin guy.

      Use martial arts to protect your loved ones, not be the playground bully taking people’s lunch money.

      It makes me sad that you would be excited to do this. Yes, it will absolutely work. No shit it’ll work. But it says something about how far into scarcity you are right now when that’s what you have to resort to. This is some low-value shit right here.



Role Reversal As A Test Of Your Game

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walawala
on January 17, 2014 at 9:17 pm
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Here’s one I had with my ex gf who got in touch a few weeks back by coming to my New Years party. Since then she’s been texting regularly.

I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.

Her: Ping text of photo of a cat: “This meow was meowing at me” (opens me after a week of radio silence from me)

Me: hahaha you smell like pate (neg)

Her: no I smell like chocolate (responding playfully)

Me: I’m craving noodles (ignoring her and reframing)

Me: out and about? (comfort text asking her about her day)

Her; I’m feeling stressed and frustrated, need chocolate. (some outreach for sympathy which I ignore)

Her: sends photo of bikini and some jewelery box (more attention grabbing nonsense)

Her: My first bikini

Me: Model it for me (asshole response ordering her around)

Ends there. 6 messages from her, 3 responses from me.

A lot of text game is really just about pushing it or not giving a shit.

in the original post here the guy seems overly invested.

In my text game which I think it getting decent, I can get girls invested in the chat or coming back for more.


  • YaReally
    on January 18, 2014 at 10:22 am
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    “I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.”

    Dude, what are you doing? After all the stuff I wrote about Soft Nexts, you’re still validating her shitty behavior?? I can tell you exactly how this will end but I don’t think you’d listen anymore. You’re txting her because you’re in scarcity and need her attention and she knows it. That’s why she sends a pic of her bikini instead of a pic of her IN her bikini, because that’s the bait to see if you want a pic of her IN it, and you took the bait. You are now chasing her even tho you thought you were being an asshole ordering her around. You’ve now given her “hand”.

    It’s sneaky how she turns it around hey? And hard to truly stay radio silent. But now it will take a year to turn it around.


    • walawala
      on January 18, 2014 at 2:54 pm
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      @YaReally…Wow…this all crept up on me without me really paying that close attention. The irony here is I’m not in scarcity mode. I have 3 different girls I’m seeing. But perhaps that is what’s prompting her to reach out? I’m pretty much over it so the content of the responses is aloof….but that’s not the point, the response itself is the issue. I’m not sure why I’m not totally getting this. Context trumps content in game. That is the insight I get from your post/response.

      They way you deconstruct this totally fits: these are the kind of “trial texts” girls send to gauge interest. When she gets the response that is the goal in itself not any further interaction. So it’s generate sympathy: nothing, generate response: nothing, make it sexual: response—mission accomplished.

      She’s gaming me without me realizing it or being fully conscious of it.

      In my mind I’m thinking how clever these responses are but what’s missing is that context is as important as the content itself.

      I’m thinking I’m being clever by being aloof. But the dynamic is about generating a response not the content of that response.

      I’m now on holiday so won’t see her at our weekly events or be easy to contact for 3 weeks. We’re not friends on FB.

      I never told her I was going away.

      Is this now back to radio silence and ignore? Come back and return to square one?


      • YaReally
        on January 18, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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        “Is this now back to radio silence and ignore? Come back and return to square one?”

        Yup. You’re starting over from scratch now except now you’ve caved like 5 times so the length of time it’ll take is fucking forever. Literally no contact for a 6mo to a year, maybe more. Quit fucking it up lol

        She was ALWAYS texting you. You haven’t gained any kind of ground with your aloof shit. She’s doing the exact same Rolodex shit she did on week 1 except now she’s getting attention from you. You could have taken her back on week one, like I told you, that was never in doubt. The point of this is to teach her that drama isn’t okay so that if you take her back she’ll have learned not to cause you drama. You’ve undone the last bunch of months of work because you got cocky and thought you were being mr aloof badass but any news is good news.


        • walawala
          on January 18, 2014 at 5:55 pm
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          @YaReally

          Here’s an important learning for anyone reading or following this. Intellectually all the game ideas are easy to grasp.

          But the only true test is through experience.

          There is a concept called “hoovering” Like the vacuum cleaner brand: Hoover where the “Emotional Vampire” who leaves or whom you dump for creating drama and sucking the life out of you tries to lure you back.

          When you read about this, it’s usually quite dramatic: they fake suicide, they threaten all sorts of drama.

          But these texts I’m receiving…are clear examples of “hoovering”.

          I think on one level my game is quite good.

          But I have a blind spot–perhaps a good idea for a post–what is your game blind spot?

          My blind spot is that somewhere inside I believe that there is a technique, a structure, an idea that can help reverse any situation.

          But sometimes walking away IS the solution. As you’ve rightly pointed out and has been borne out by the facts, the “end” for her is drama whereas the “end” for me would be a bang, a relationship or something more tangible.

          Hard to grasp but necessary.


          • Scray
            on January 19, 2014 at 12:05 pm
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            I 100% completely agree, Ya. It’s extremely effective, I’ve just only managed to do it twice and only for like a week each time. It’s just a weakness I have. And I don’t like doing it. Maybe that’s how parents feel



Role Reversal As A Test Of Your Game

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walawala
on January 17, 2014 at 9:17 pm
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Here’s one I had with my ex gf who got in touch a few weeks back by coming to my New Years party. Since then she’s been texting regularly.

I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.

Her: Ping text of photo of a cat: “This meow was meowing at me” (opens me after a week of radio silence from me)

Me: hahaha you smell like pate (neg)

Her: no I smell like chocolate (responding playfully)

Me: I’m craving noodles (ignoring her and reframing)

Me: out and about? (comfort text asking her about her day)

Her; I’m feeling stressed and frustrated, need chocolate. (some outreach for sympathy which I ignore)

Her: sends photo of bikini and some jewelery box (more attention grabbing nonsense)

Her: My first bikini

Me: Model it for me (asshole response ordering her around)

Ends there. 6 messages from her, 3 responses from me.

A lot of text game is really just about pushing it or not giving a shit.

in the original post here the guy seems overly invested.

In my text game which I think it getting decent, I can get girls invested in the chat or coming back for more.


  • YaReally
    on January 18, 2014 at 10:22 am
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    “I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.”

    Dude, what are you doing? After all the stuff I wrote about Soft Nexts, you’re still validating her shitty behavior?? I can tell you exactly how this will end but I don’t think you’d listen anymore. You’re txting her because you’re in scarcity and need her attention and she knows it. That’s why she sends a pic of her bikini instead of a pic of her IN her bikini, because that’s the bait to see if you want a pic of her IN it, and you took the bait. You are now chasing her even tho you thought you were being an asshole ordering her around. You’ve now given her “hand”.

    It’s sneaky how she turns it around hey? And hard to truly stay radio silent. But now it will take a year to turn it around.


    • Scray
      on January 19, 2014 at 12:05 pm
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      I 100% completely agree, Ya. It’s extremely effective, I’ve just only managed to do it twice and only for like a week each time. It’s just a weakness I have. And I don’t like doing it. Maybe that’s how parents feel



Role Reversal As A Test Of Your Game

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nohomo
on January 18, 2014 at 6:00 am
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lol, is it so hard to understand that this kind of heartiste shit only works when ATTRACTION is already there?

let’s see how would go if you were trying to fuck an uninterested hottie:

you: hey (alpha, no punctuation, lol, only way to get her attention since she won’t ever ever ever ever ever text you since she doesn’t give a shit about you)

her: hi :) (best of cases if she responds to you because you have some importance in the common social circle you could share e.g. university / college, otherwise lol)

you are the chaser now, so any bullshit you could do is always framed as you are the chaser. So the shit like: “LOL, WUT MAKES U THINK DATE LOL? BRING DA MOVIES” won’t work

[CH: You don't know what you're talking about. Read the archives. The attitude exemplified in all these outcome indifference techniques is catnip to women. *Especially" hotties. It actually builds attraction.
Of course, you have no intention of reading the archives, because you're a troll with three fingers up his vagina.]


  • Scray
    on January 18, 2014 at 9:55 pm
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    +3 bajillion.

    Always trying to explain this shit. Again, the dudes who are uber impressed by this are either KJ’s or dudes who let their looks do the work for them. When you’re going after a new hottie who has no reason to be instantly attracted, this shit will not cut it. Ever.

    [CH: The nohomo vagina above is a long-time troll hater (same diff) who deals in nothing but strawmen. No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls. There's a seaason for everything. A man has to bust a move first to ever get to a point when he can start dropping "chase me" game.]


    • YaReally
      on January 19, 2014 at 7:30 am
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      I agree with nohomo lol. The reason buddy up there bombed is because he didn’t have shit for value with that chick who was super high value compared to him and was on turf where she’s high value.

      She’s some smokin hot stripper-lookin chick and he’s a dude on a fucking dating site. Like no offense to the OP, but being a dude opening girls on the Internet is AUTOMATICALLY a huge DLV. Is George Clooney opening girls on OKCupid? Fuck no. For a girl who looks like that, who’s going to have high enough value to 1) run that confident assume-attraction game and have it work and 2) be high enough value to make her chase him? It’s NOT the guy opening girls on the fucking Internet lol it’s the high-value guy with balls who cold approaches her after she sees a bunch of DHV shit in front of her face. It’s the guy who’s shaking hands with the manager and has other hot girls on his arm or running up to him in front of her, or who she’s heard from her friends is an asshole because he fucked them but wouldn’t commit, and who’s body language and voice tonality and eye contact and physicality she can experience first-hand during his approach etc. it’s not “LonelyInMiami33″ opening her online with “sorry, you can’t fuck me”. Her instant response in her head is “(shrug) okay.” with a raised eyebrow of who gives a fuck.

      “No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls.”

      To be fair that’s pretty much the M.O. of the entire rooshvforum and half the rest of the manosphere. Put on your fancy custom-tailored suit with matching pocket square and watch and “post up” at the bar waiting for pussy to jump on your dick, then bang the 5/10 “lizard” that approaches you (cause the 8+/10s ain’t approaching men, they don’t have to) and lol to your buddies online that you were slumming it for a lark when the reality is you haven’t pulled a hot girl in a year…then go off to EE where you can do the same thing but your custom suit makes you even more attractive so you don’t have to actually have any game.

      So like, I see his point lol



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nohomo
on January 18, 2014 at 6:00 am
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lol, is it so hard to understand that this kind of heartiste shit only works when ATTRACTION is already there?

let’s see how would go if you were trying to fuck an uninterested hottie:

you: hey (alpha, no punctuation, lol, only way to get her attention since she won’t ever ever ever ever ever text you since she doesn’t give a shit about you)

her: hi :) (best of cases if she responds to you because you have some importance in the common social circle you could share e.g. university / college, otherwise lol)

you are the chaser now, so any bullshit you could do is always framed as you are the chaser. So the shit like: “LOL, WUT MAKES U THINK DATE LOL? BRING DA MOVIES” won’t work

[CH: You don’t know what you’re talking about. Read the archives. The attitude exemplified in all these outcome indifference techniques is catnip to women. *Especially” hotties. It actually builds attraction.
Of course, you have no intention of reading the archives, because you’re a troll with three fingers up his vagina.]


  • Scray
    on January 18, 2014 at 9:55 pm
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    +3 bajillion.

    Always trying to explain this shit. Again, the dudes who are uber impressed by this are either KJ’s or dudes who let their looks do the work for them. When you’re going after a new hottie who has no reason to be instantly attracted, this shit will not cut it. Ever.

    [CH: The nohomo vagina above is a long-time troll hater (same diff) who deals in nothing but strawmen. No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls. There’s a seaason for everything. A man has to bust a move first to ever get to a point when he can start dropping “chase me” game.]


    • YaReally
      on January 19, 2014 at 7:30 am
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      I agree with nohomo lol. The reason buddy up there bombed is because he didn’t have shit for value with that chick who was super high value compared to him and was on turf where she’s high value.

      She’s some smokin hot stripper-lookin chick and he’s a dude on a fucking dating site. Like no offense to the OP, but being a dude opening girls on the Internet is AUTOMATICALLY a huge DLV. Is George Clooney opening girls on OKCupid? Fuck no. For a girl who looks like that, who’s going to have high enough value to 1) run that confident assume-attraction game and have it work and 2) be high enough value to make her chase him? It’s NOT the guy opening girls on the fucking Internet lol it’s the high-value guy with balls who cold approaches her after she sees a bunch of DHV shit in front of her face. It’s the guy who’s shaking hands with the manager and has other hot girls on his arm or running up to him in front of her, or who she’s heard from her friends is an asshole because he fucked them but wouldn’t commit, and who’s body language and voice tonality and eye contact and physicality she can experience first-hand during his approach etc. it’s not “LonelyInMiami33″ opening her online with “sorry, you can’t fuck me”. Her instant response in her head is “(shrug) okay.” with a raised eyebrow of who gives a fuck.

      “No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls.”

      To be fair that’s pretty much the M.O. of the entire rooshvforum and half the rest of the manosphere. Put on your fancy custom-tailored suit with matching pocket square and watch and “post up” at the bar waiting for pussy to jump on your dick, then bang the 5/10 “lizard” that approaches you (cause the 8+/10s ain’t approaching men, they don’t have to) and lol to your buddies online that you were slumming it for a lark when the reality is you haven’t pulled a hot girl in a year…then go off to EE where you can do the same thing but your custom suit makes you even more attractive so you don’t have to actually have any game.

      So like, I see his point lol



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Scray
on January 9, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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All right…but why just focus on fat women tho. Fatness in general is bad. Declining T and declining sperm in the last 50 years. What else has happened in the last 50 years? Oh yeah, men being fat fucks.

Rather than betas being alive longer to ‘compete…’ I’d just say being fat is fucking with masculinity — and femininity.

Women saying that “you go grrl” “you’re beautiful” is bad.
But men saying shit like “ya women don’t go for looks” is also bad…because there’s a huge behavioral component to being fat that gets overlooked.

Most game concepts are easier to execute when you are fit. Just sayin’


  • Crazy Heart
    on January 9, 2014 at 12:38 pm
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    Game is a lot easier with Confidence..So whatever gives you that/placebo effect….


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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      “Game is a lot easier with Confidence..So whatever gives you that/placebo effect….”

      This. If you think being fat is a positive attribute, so will women. They follow your frame because they ping off their environment to know how they should feel…that’s why social proof works. That’s why when you get a new shirt and feel awesome, you get more attention, then when that new shirt feeling wears off, the attention slows down and you go buy another shirt.

      If you’re fat, short, etc. they may snub you on online dating sites and shit where all they can judge you by is your photo, or when you stand around in the bar you’ll get less looks, but in an action interaction in person, face to face, if you fully believe that those attributes are boss, your frame will overcome theirs.

      The problem is most men don’t like themselves (for a ton of reasons, advertising/marketing being one of the top ones of course) and don’t feel like they deserve hot women. That’s why they’re better looking than I’ll ever look, but posting forever alone posts on the Misc after their workouts, or waiting till they make their first million before they start approaching.

      If you want a mind-fuck, keep working out until you look so ripped/hot that hot girls start rejecting you because your body makes them feel insecure about theirs, while at the same time you become more outcome dependent because you think the girls should all want to fuck you because of how good you look and you become frustrated when they don’t immediately like you lol it’s all completely arbitrary and silly.


      • FuriousFerret
        on January 9, 2014 at 5:37 pm
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        “waiting till they make their first million before they start approaching.”

        CEO/10k day

        At least The Misc is a lot better than the vast majority of men in our society. Black Knighting is positive, White Knights are severely frowned upon, funny politically incorrect humor is seen as a good thing.

        Also it’s cool to see so many nationalities posting. You get a sense of other culture’s viewpoints and it’s one of the few places that you get a heavy masculine vibe and it doesn’t allow females to take over for the most part.

        There is reason that a sizable minority is drawn to The Misc even for people that don’t body build. It’s because it’s become a last bastion of ‘boys being allowed to be boys’ in a world where every damn place is being coopted by feminine ethos.


        • Scray
          on January 9, 2014 at 8:46 pm
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          lol the misc can be red pill. for example, they understand that all girls are ‘slootz.’

          they’ve failed to understand the great irony of Zyzz. Zyzz’s overconfident trolling about aesthetics was what was attractive, not the aesthetics.


      • immoralgables
        on January 9, 2014 at 7:35 pm
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        God so much fucking this man. If you’re short and not physically attractive, having the stones to approach direct via the day is going through the attraction stage and voila! You are in comfort bros. Fuck, the chick automatically assumes you got it going on because you got to when you feel entitled enough to come over and give her a slice of your personality.

        I just went on my first instadate via daygame with an HB8 today man and that comment you made earlier about banging the hired gun put me in the proper mindset to pull it off.

        I’ll probably give an FR in a more recent post to share with the readership.

        I remember back in August I number closed an HB8 Russian Blonde and you asked why I didn’t do the i-date. That fucking stick with me.

        Today was the day I was able to calibrate and pull it off.

        Quote from the i-date: “Yeah everyone was staring and watching you as you came over and started talking.”

        Ahhhhhh fuck yeeaaah


        • Scray
          on January 9, 2014 at 8:50 pm
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          ‘Today was the day I was able to calibrate and pull it off.

          Quote from the i-date’

          Holy shit, nice!


          • YaReally
            on January 10, 2014 at 10:16 am
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            All solid stuff in that vid. Especially the idea that “you will never win”. I think a lot of guys visualize that when they get their million dollars they’ll finally feel “good enough”, but they just haven’t hung around high-value guys who already have a million dollars and see how they don’t feel “good enough” until they have 50 million dollars, etc.

            The more people you go out and meet, the more you realize that everyone is insecure and feels incomplete no matter how good it looks like they have it. It’s very very rare to meet someone who feels complete and secure in themselves regardless of their external attributes.

            This is also why if you go to a private party with super high-value people, you’ll find that because everyone is rich there, everyone’s money becomes irrelevant and the people there judge eachother based on other attributes like who’s the most socially free or intelligent or has the most interesting frame/reality etc. Like if everyone in the world had a Ferrari, you couldn’t really impress anyone with your Ferrari…but when you’re a peasant who dreams of owning a Ferrari and only 10 people in the world can afford them, you think when you get one you’ll finally be able to impress people.

            And then you can take this even further, into hitting on 10s. Legit gorgeous 8+ girls are surrounded by tall good-looking guys with 6-pack abs and Ferraris and tons of money, and those guys are all shoving that stuff in the girl’s face trying to impress her. Because she’s surrounded by that, it becomes meaningless and she looks at other ways to judge the men she meets. So even if you have none of that shit, if you approach her with the same level of confidence as those guys, but you have a strong/interesting frame etc., you’ll be more attractive to her than them because they haven’t cultivated that stuff since they got caught up in the rat race.

            It’s fascinating, but super hard to wrap your head around and fully believe until you’ve seen it in action in the real world around you and been a part of it. Thus our stressing that guys go out and approach regularly…to experience this stuff first-hand.


    • Scray
      on January 9, 2014 at 8:37 pm
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      Let me clarify:

      We all realize that the internals are what matter in game. Self-confident behavior is a marker of fitness.

      And ya, you can try to ex nihilo your way into the kind of earth-shattering confidence it takes to overturn social norms (like, a fat newbie just coming in to this has to COMPLETELY rewire his psychology to do this).

      I’m just saying that, if you start getting your shit together while simultaneously going out and gaming, it will make for a better experience. It’s symbiotic.

      There’s a video somewhere where Tyler talks about how the game itself encourages self-improvement. Getting fit is just one of those areas.

      The reason why you need to improve yourself and game at the same time is so you can avoid relying on externals. The value in building yourself is mostly in the act of building yourself up.

      You start thinking of yourself as a person of action. You start thinking of yourself as someone who gets what he wants and as someone who deserves the best.

      That was huge for me starting out and it made it easier for me to take chances and throw myself into shit. Plus, getting fit has a ton of health benefits beyond the psychological ones I mentioned — the T stuff, whatever aesthetic effect (ya, keep it contextual….as in, ‘cool will be a little easier in some sets and I’ll be able to screen for certain types of girls as well’), etc.

      Once you’re past newbie stage, I mean….your internals will probably be rock solid independent of that stuff. But starting out, I’d def recommend it


      • YaReally
        on January 10, 2014 at 10:07 am
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        “You start thinking of yourself as a person of action. You start thinking of yourself as someone who gets what he wants and as someone who deserves the best.”

        Agreed. The thing I like to stress in these discussions is simply that these other internal things that you build through working on improving yourself externally (getting in shape, earning money, updating your wardrobe, etc.) are what’s attractive, not the external thing itself.

        Some things are cheap quick fixes that wear off quickly…”dirty highs” like basing your worth in your new shirt. Till that effect wears off as you get used to the shirt, and now you feel like you’ve lost your mojo and advertising convinces you that shirt isn’t cool anymore and you need the next new shirt to feel attractive again.

        On the flip side some things are long fixes that can stick for life…like dedicating yourself to a goal like getting in shape and achieving that goal and building all the internal stuff like dedication, time management, pushing your limits, self-discipline, etc.

        I fully support guys working on the long fixes, but with the caveat that it should be while ALSO going out and approaching women, VS waiting until you achieve those goals to start.

        I don’t support chasing the short fixes because they expire and the crash will fuck you over, possibly even worse than when you started out. It’s like a poor person winning the lottery (external short fix)…they didn’t build up the internal skills (money management, discipline, etc.) that the entrepreneur who built a business slowly did, so they end up throwing all their lottery money away and ending up poor again.

        The problem with the guys at the Misc is that they look at the surface level and say “I wasn’t getting attention when I was 20% bodyfat, but I do at 18% bodyfat, so 18% bodyfat must be more attractive to women”, instead of looking at the internal level of what obtaining 18% bodyfat did for their mental state, view of themselves, confidence, etc.

        A lot of people get stuck in this thinking because social conditioning is designed to make you chase the newest product and never feel complete, so advertising etc. WANTS you to focus only on the external attributes. They don’t want you to look any deeper, because if people realized that they didn’t need the $75 t-shirt to get laid and instead they could get laid just as much in a $5 t-shirt, the world starts falling apart lol

        Women ping off their environment for how to feel, so marketing is aimed toward them…because they know a lot of guys don’t see any reason to own more than a few pairs of shoes, but they can convince women to drop $300 on a new pair every month till their closet is full and they’re still looking for the next “dirty high”.

        This idea is covered in Fight Club a lot…all the stuff about “working jobs we hate to buy shit we don’t need”, “a duvet is just a blanket”, “I say never be complete”, etc. is trying to get the mass audience to look at their IKEA lifestyle and think “how much of this is really relevant to my worth as a human being?”

        That all said, while improving yourself is good in the newbie stages, when you become advanced you should destroy yourself a little every now and then. Go out dressed like shit with your hair unkempt and do the same thing you always do approaching women. Gain a little weight for a few months and do the same thing you always do approaching women. Tell girls sincerely that you work at Wal-Mart and live with your parents. Tell girls you don’t have a car. etc. etc.

        Do that stuff while still approaching in the same way you’ve taught yourself to do, until you’re getting the same results you got when you had all that good shit going. That’s when you truly become free and internalize “you are enough”. Then you can go back to achieving those things again if you want them, except you’ll be doing it with a healthier intent (chasing 14% bodyfat as a personal challenge/goal, VS chasing it because you think it’ll get you more girls and that you aren’t “enough” at 18% bodyfat).



Why Chateau Heartiste Taunts Loudmouth Fatties

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Scray
on January 9, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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All right…but why just focus on fat women tho. Fatness in general is bad. Declining T and declining sperm in the last 50 years. What else has happened in the last 50 years? Oh yeah, men being fat fucks.

Rather than betas being alive longer to ‘compete…’ I’d just say being fat is fucking with masculinity — and femininity.

Women saying that “you go grrl” “you’re beautiful” is bad.
But men saying shit like “ya women don’t go for looks” is also bad…because there’s a huge behavioral component to being fat that gets overlooked.

Most game concepts are easier to execute when you are fit. Just sayin’


  • Crazy Heart
    on January 9, 2014 at 12:38 pm
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    Game is a lot easier with Confidence..So whatever gives you that/placebo effect….


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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      “Game is a lot easier with Confidence..So whatever gives you that/placebo effect….”

      This. If you think being fat is a positive attribute, so will women. They follow your frame because they ping off their environment to know how they should feel…that’s why social proof works. That’s why when you get a new shirt and feel awesome, you get more attention, then when that new shirt feeling wears off, the attention slows down and you go buy another shirt.

      If you’re fat, short, etc. they may snub you on online dating sites and shit where all they can judge you by is your photo, or when you stand around in the bar you’ll get less looks, but in an action interaction in person, face to face, if you fully believe that those attributes are boss, your frame will overcome theirs.

      The problem is most men don’t like themselves (for a ton of reasons, advertising/marketing being one of the top ones of course) and don’t feel like they deserve hot women. That’s why they’re better looking than I’ll ever look, but posting forever alone posts on the Misc after their workouts, or waiting till they make their first million before they start approaching.

      If you want a mind-fuck, keep working out until you look so ripped/hot that hot girls start rejecting you because your body makes them feel insecure about theirs, while at the same time you become more outcome dependent because you think the girls should all want to fuck you because of how good you look and you become frustrated when they don’t immediately like you lol it’s all completely arbitrary and silly.



14 Things No One Will Tell Fat Girls… So I Will

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Scray
on January 8, 2014 at 1:34 pm
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While fatness as a social phenomenon is disgusting — for both sexes — who cares?

[CH: My penis.]

Fatties aren’t even on my radar.

[They sound like they'd be surprised to hear that.]

Why even devote time to the specific problem of fat chicks beyond avoiding them — and any thoughts of them?

[Because fat cheerleaders deliver a caustic, soul destroying message that will increase the total amount of ugliness and unhappiness in the world should women reading their lies start to believe them.]


  • Amy
    on January 8, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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    Scray, I think even fat girls know that men prefer women with a low body fat percentage, and they know that no amount of fat-empowerment rhetoric will change that. They see what goes on around them in real life. I think they don’t care, and probably just reduce their expectations accordingly.

    But consider the attractive thin girl who is appearance conscious ONLY to the extent necessary to land a guy. These are the girls who balloon up after marriage and don’t really understand why their husband would mind. For these women… I think a little fat-empowerment backlash, even if it seems cruel, is a positive thing. Think of it as saving some marriages.


    • Scray
      on January 8, 2014 at 4:33 pm
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      Those girls balloon up because their dude lets himself go. He stops improving himself and he probably becomes a fat, low-T fuck. If a woman thinks she is with a man who has options, all of this shit takes care of itself. She will keep her ass as tight as her age permits.


      • immoralgables
        on January 8, 2014 at 8:05 pm
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        Man I’m not sure on that one. I have evidence of 3 natural buddies of mine with girls that have put on lbs since the relationship started 3 years (on average) ago.

        I’ve scratched my head about it to.

        It seems that the common denominators in all three are this:

        1) They unconditionally support their girls to lose their weight but in the wrong way. None of the dark shit CH recommended in a past post to lose it.
        2) 2 of them have even tried to workout with their GFs in order to encourage their weight loss but in a way that says “We’re both going to do it!”
        3) Unwillingness to even express that they are one foot out the door.
        4) No checking out other fit chicks or commenting on fit chicks or making fun of fatties around them.
        5) They don’t run any of the darker asshole game that would serve as a catalyst for their girls to lose the lbs.

        I kid you not, these 3 buddies of mine COULD have other options if they wanted to but they’re not dicks to their girls about it OR they don’t know how to encourage the weight loss in an effective manner.

        So, the first half is right (guy with options) but the dude has to actually exercise that reality via game tactics. But then again, these guys are naturals and any of this shit is not for them nor would they want to be assholes about it.


        • Scray
          on January 8, 2014 at 8:14 pm
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          That sucks to hear. But I mean….how would those men be dicks by flaunting their game in front of their fat wives? They’d be saving their marriages.

          Yccck….just goes to show that, if you must get married, reach the apex of your abilities first.


          • YaReally
            on January 9, 2014 at 10:18 am
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            ya, like I say, once she knows you can’t leave, she can let herself go and if you complain then YOU’RE the bad guy lol. Even if logically it would be better for her health, happiness, sex life, relationship, and her longevity as a mother for your children…you’re the asshole because you want her to not poison herself with garbage food lol it’s insane.

            Once you sign a legally binding contract that makes it impossible for you to leave without massive consequence, you are actively choosing to give up the one powerful hand you have as a man in negotiations with your girl: the ability to leave her.

            Don’t get married, gentlemen.



14 Things No One Will Tell Fat Girls… So I Will

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Scray
on January 8, 2014 at 1:34 pm
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While fatness as a social phenomenon is disgusting — for both sexes — who cares?

[CH: My penis.]

Fatties aren’t even on my radar.

[They sound like they’d be surprised to hear that.]

Why even devote time to the specific problem of fat chicks beyond avoiding them — and any thoughts of them?

[Because fat cheerleaders deliver a caustic, soul destroying message that will increase the total amount of ugliness and unhappiness in the world should women reading their lies start to believe them.]


  • Amy
    on January 8, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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    Scray, I think even fat girls know that men prefer women with a low body fat percentage, and they know that no amount of fat-empowerment rhetoric will change that. They see what goes on around them in real life. I think they don’t care, and probably just reduce their expectations accordingly.

    But consider the attractive thin girl who is appearance conscious ONLY to the extent necessary to land a guy. These are the girls who balloon up after marriage and don’t really understand why their husband would mind. For these women… I think a little fat-empowerment backlash, even if it seems cruel, is a positive thing. Think of it as saving some marriages.


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 12:12 am
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      “I’ve scratched my head about it to.”

      Very simple: their girls KNOW they won’t leave. If they had told them to lose weight or they’re bailing and/or actually walked out and went out with another (thinner) girl, they’d have tried their damnedest to keep the weight off.

      It’s not just about HAVING options, it’s about the guy being willing to EXERCISE those options. 3 years in, these guys aren’t willing to exercise their options and the girls know it…if he stayed with her when she was 25lbs overweight, he’ll stay when she’s 50lbs overweight and then instead of losing the weight to show him that she even remotely cares about his wants/needs in the relationship, she’ll instead try to get preggers and/or marry him so that he’s further “locked in set” (lol) and she can balloon up to 300lbs safely.

      It’s okay to make someone feel bad if it’s for their own good ultimately. You don’t just hand your kid cookies for dinner every night because he waaaaaants them and you don’t want to make him unhaaaaappy. You say “no fuckin cookies yo, have an apple”. He might put up a fuss but he’ll learn to like apples lol

      Right now I’m the chubbiest I’ve ever been and none of it is muscle lol. But I’ve banged 2 new girls since New Years and one is a solid 8 (hired gun) that wants to hook up again this weekend. I’m finding it difficult to convince myself to bother going to the gym because I’m still getting results…hell I ate a bag of potato chips for breakfast lol

      But if suddenly I couldn’t get laid or only ugly chicks would bang me and the hot girls all exercised their options and were like “no pussy till you lose 20lbs” I’d be hittin the gym daily. Because they don’t exercise those options (and they totally could, I’m in a very pretty rich city right now where a lot of the guys are studly and 6-packed), my brain says “eh fuck it, good enough!”

      Human beings generally only do as much as we need to, unless the attribute is a important/pleasurable to them or relevant to their goals. ie – a guy in an indie band might barely make enough money to get by but he’s amazing on a guitar. A guy who values money might work 100hr weeks but be fat and not have any guitar skill because it’s not important to his goals. A hot chick might be a complete ditzy moron because she doesn’t HAVE to be smart…same time she might go get a degree in rocket science because she values challenging herself. 99% of the guys at the gym are there because they aren’t getting the pussy they want and they’ve been socially conditioned to believe if they lose another 0.4% bodyfat that’s when they’ll finally get the girl, so in their mind hitting the gym is relevant to their goal.

      It’s as hard for the CEO to convince himself he needs to invest time/energy learning to play the guitar, as it is for the hot bimbo who has the world wrapped around her finger to convince herself she needs to be smart, as it is for me with an 8 blowing me to convince myself I need to hit the gym lol

      I’ll probably work out more this year cause I don’t want to be a slobby old guy at the bar and the higher sex-drive would be fun, but it’ll be an uphill battle as long as hot girls keep letting me get away with it, just like your buddies with their fat GFs lol



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Hugh G. Rection
on January 7, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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What’s with the hideous header graphic?


  • Desu
    on January 7, 2014 at 3:24 pm
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    Looks like MS paint, lol


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 5:36 pm
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      srsly. It’s like looking at a 14yo’s MySpace page.

      One of you rich billionaire dudes with a custom suit, plz donate $5 to CH lol:

      http://fiverr.com/categories/graphics-design/web-banner-design-header/#layout=auto&filter=rating&jls_sca357_1_rating=1


      • Jay in DC
        on January 8, 2014 at 12:50 am
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        Personally, one thing I think will be hilarious, is if/when the inflated US dollar finally collapses. The domino effect will be severe, and beyond your imagining. Just yesterday— you were able to make snarky comments on the internet and spend your life chasing pussy. Today, the internet doesn’t exist, that is odd, isn’t it? Well, let us go out and try to close some sets at least.

        Why are all these ni66as roaming the streets? Should I be scared? Not sure. Maybe I’ll just jet back to the crib tonight. Damn… internet still down. Can’t post or watch another Tyler video. I’ll just try and text that chick from last week. Dafuq? My cell service down too? Guess I’m watching a movie tonight.

        Get it goofball? You spend your life outsmarting men but if your bubble pops, men won’t care anymore about your slick talking, and bullshit. They will call you on the carpet and you will fail.

        Your game only works in the current incarnation of the world we know. In some future and worse off time, you go to the back of the line, begging for scraps as it has always been for most of history.


        • Scray
          on January 8, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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          Get it goofball? You spend your life outsmarting men but if your bubble pops, men won’t care anymore about your slick talking, and bullshit. They will call you on the carpet and you will fail.

          lol ya, because women have only recently become attracted to the behaviors embodied by ‘game.’

          In some future and worse off time, you go to the back of the line, begging for scraps as it has always been for most of history.

          Huh? In ancient societies the men who did well possessed what we would call ‘game.’ Or at the very least they had extremely strong realities. Charisma, and by extension learned charisma, increases fitness — charisma gains you strength in numbers; it’s a form of crowd control.


          • YaReally
            on January 9, 2014 at 12:29 am
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            Charisma leads men. Sure, I may not rally your dad on my side, but I’ll rally up the 200 men around him that don’t meet his standards…cause there’s a lot more of them than there are of men who pass that foxhole test.

            I’m sure in the foxhole his buddy and him will die a super honorable death worthy of the next Saving Private Ryan movie and be super proud of their manliness, but my 200 dudes will be banging their women and looting the corpses as we head toward Jay in DC’s mansion lol

            “Charisma gets you high numbers of FEMALES. We’re no good for physical protection. Lol”

            Women are currency. The entire nightlife industry is built on the notion that “for the chance of getting pussy, men will voluntarily give up their resources (time, money, health, etc)”. That’s why a group of hot girls walk into a Vegas nightclub on a Saturday night free and a group of guys pay a $40 cover.

            Charisma gets women, which means I can pimp those women out to the men following me (it’s the oldest industry in the world, after all) in exchange for their loyalty. Your dad in his foxhole can’t offer them that, and we can take it by force from Jay’s mansion.