30 day challenge over:
In short, I still suck at this lol.
—-As I get better at talking (reaching social hook point) to hotter girls, I’m running into some weird inner confidence issues. Like, I was talking to a set with this girl, and the opening went great. And the girl riffs on me saying she’s manipulative…then I roleplay ‘so how would you get even if we were going out and you were pissed….you’ve been home all I day, and I get there, what do you do?’ She says she’d do what she did to an ex….and then details a very graphic, sexual story (it was like some Wild Things shit lol). I -immediately- kind of shut down out of intimidation….like ‘wowshecouldneverlikemeholyshitwtf.’
—-I’m terrified of escalation without a lot of IOI’s. Like, there are a lot of sets where I feel like I should just go for it (seriously, why not?)
—-It’s still hard for me to create an emotional response, which sucks — I still feel like hot chicks think they can ignore me and w/e at will.
—-Mixed sets are where the hottest girls are at, on average, that I’ve seen. I mean occasionally there’s a hot two set of girls or whatever.
—-My calibration re: when I’m getting them interested is fucked up. Like, I’ll open a set and within five-ten minutes, they’ll start asking me questions like ‘hey what are you? (ethnicity) what’s your name? what do you do? etc…’ and my mind’ll be like ‘nah, just joke around about it you haven’t done anything to earn it yet’ but like, lol….I think I’m wrong. Because when I do this they don’t seem to like the fact that I joked about it.
—-Looks make a big difference. I’ve talked to girls, then left, then watched some tall good-looking guy roll in and get way more attention with not even a quarter of the same personality.
—-But, even in the most insane club, you can overcome looks (at least on some level). I opened a five set, 3 dudes and 2 girls. Dudes are good-looking, buff, etc. I roll in, play games with the group, engage the target. I think it’s going horribly (target actually starts asking me the questions from above, but I do THE SAME GODDAMNED thing and joke about it)….so she cools and starts whispering to the leader of the chode group about me. I sigh and eject soon enough
A few minutes later, those girls walk down the club hall and see me and they’re like ‘there you are! those guys were so lame!’ The target seemed to like me, but her uggo friend wasn’t having it. I’m telling you, there’s starting to be this weird inversion where uggos are averse to me lol.
—-Going out alone is pretty hard. I’d say I’m only at like 20-30% when I’m out alone.
—’Queens of conversation’ has led to some fun interactions. altho, when they say ‘don’t know’ what line they would have said instead, I tend to go with ‘you have NO IDEA, how is this relationship supposed to get off the ground if you don’t help?’
—> ‘there are a lot of reasons it’s not going to get off the ground (smirk)’
‘….now you’re talking to me, all right, hit me with it (leans against bar, looking at club)’
‘First of all, I’m taller than you’
‘….really? (glances down at her feet)’
‘All right, whatever. Next?’
‘….well, you’re really courageous. I like that.’
‘Whoa, whoa….we’re talking about why you -don’t- want to be with me, remember?’
—-Cougars. lol. At least five times I’ve been assaulted by cougars. They’re kind of pushy too…..like, they open me, they ask me a bunch of questions. There’s always one who’s super into me. Bleh.
—-State. I haven’t been in state for like…..weeks. It’s kind of liberating to know you can just go out and get it going no matter what mood you’re in.
—-Clubs. In a city famous for its nightlife….these are such great practice grounds. So many hot girls, so many fun interactions. Plus, you go there more and more, the staff start to take care of you. All they see is you talking to girls like a mack — so when they say ‘hi’ that’s the image they have of you = great social proof to hot girls.
lol. About to pass out right now but you’ll laugh at my response. Good stuff man, the 30 days did more for you than you realize right now, I’ll break it down for ya. Massive massive props for your effort/self-discipline.
My roommate is doing a similar challenge right now (out almost daily) and I might join him just cause fuck it, why not lol
‘My roommate is doing a similar challenge right now (out almost daily) and I might join him just cause fuck it, why not lol’
Ya, I think I’m good to just start going out 4-5 nights a week now regardless. I mean, it’s starting to become a little more difficult because I’m getting more social circle invites….so sometimes I’m like ‘ya, gotta make an appearance.’ There were several times during the 30 days where I just had to cold approach while in the context of a social circle gathering….so there’s a section of my social circle right now that just loves to razz me/hear my ‘going out cunting’ stories. I don’t mind telling them, because I mean, even if they tease me about them or whatever I don’t give a shit….because I’m way tighter than they are lol
Anyone who has worked in sales will understand the analogy here. Women flake and sales fall through. Just as with sales, you can analyse the reasons to death but you will never get to a definitive answer. Management’s can only guess at what’s going on but, the bottom line is the sales fell through. Same thing with chicks.
So a blanket argument like ‘you didn’t establish enough value’ etc is never really satisfactory to anyone but an inexperienced player who obviously isn’t adding enough value. None of the suggestions I’ve seen are satisfactory other than ignoring and that only works if the flake was for a genuine reason. You will know this because she will get in touch pretty quick and then suggest another date. The idea of you flaking first is a good one but FFS we are talking about nascent relations and you know how fickle women are given time. La donna e mobile and all that.
I’m going to make an unpopular suggestion here. Try to blow them out but not in a needy/bitter way. My rationale is this. Flaking lowers your value and it kick-starts a time decay in it. Even if it was a genuine reason, the fact that it happened establishes an favourable power dynamic in her mind. Blowing her out when you are at the start of the time decay might have an affect on a certain amount and its probably a higher number than are going to turn around by anything else because the time decay will massively lower your value.
-sorry I cant make it tonight
-too bad I’m not free for a month now
Now unless there really is no value whatsoever in her eyes, she will start to consider making the date or throw forward suggestions. If she doesn’t then who cares anyway? You might as well try it at your strongest point because the lead is going to be busted anyway.
Yes. 80/20 rule in full effect. You could play every poker hand by the book with well honed people reading skills, but you still won’t win every hand.
80% of results will come from 20% of your leads. Some view the 4/5 leads that went nowhere as “wasting time” but in my mind, the work you did on those 4 was both necessary and led you to that 1. While I get the whole 80/20 is anecdotal and not exact, it’s damn close and a good explanation of the breakdown of who is getting what results.
I think anyone getting into game should learn how to play poker (NLHE specifically). It makes a lot of the concepts easier to swallow. Outcome independence is the same in poker — just make sure you make the most optimal play, given the situ, to stack your odds as best you can. That’s all you need to do.
Even aces get cracked 1 out of 5 times from All-in preflop.
I’d actually just analogize most naturals to a TAG player. Tight, aggressive —- waits for good cards to come along, then he just plays them relentlessly = wait for the AI, then just escalate like no one’s business.
A PUA is a LAG player. Loose and aggressive — doesn’t wait for good cards, tries to play many hands in the most profitable way possible; comfortable taking huge risks, has to develop extreme hand reading skills because he’s getting into so many different situs = doesn’t wait for AI, develops extreme calibration, takes huge risks in the field bc knows he must DHV traits like guts, social dominance, etc.
AG/AFC’s are just the people who have no clue wtf is going on.
While most of the ‘winning’ players at lower stakes are TAGs….the people who dominate the game have mastered LAG.
Plus, poker is a way cooler hobby than WoW
Oddly enough, learning game has improved my NLHE game. I was a very emotional player when I was younger and I would go on tilt easy and play hands just out of boredom and wanting to be “in” the game etc. and play my favorite cards no matter what and chase shit to the end. Needless to say I lost a lot of money lol
“Outcome independence is the same in poker — just make sure you make the most optimal play, given the situ, to stack your odds as best you can. That’s all you need to do.”
This was the biggest thing that helped me. I hadn’t played in like 5 years and then played again and noticed that I was no longer attached to the outcome or emotionally invested in the cards. I was naturally playing a much more optimal game and folding cards I’d never have folded before and not being affected by losses OR wins, just sticking to the program.
It was interesting to see that spill-over into another unexpected area of my life. Combine that new outcome independence with my people-reading skills and I’m actually a solid NLHE player now and win pretty consistently when I occasionally play.
One of the common stages that pretty much every PUA goes through is that they learn the “superpower” of realizing that getting phone numbers isn’t a big deal and you can walk into a bar on any given night and walk out with a dozen numbers.
Then they try to call/txt those numbers and every single one of them flakes lol. We don’t even bother telling newbies about this stage coming up because we don’t want to shit on their excitement because that excitement is what propels them to push through this flaking stage.
Anyway, that said, here’s everything you need to know on flaking, figured out and broken down and explained piece by piece by PUAs back in the old days (one of these is by Tyler from 2003 lol):
4 pages on her mentality here: http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/end/pr/428.html
4 pages on what triggers flakes here: http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-tactics/how-to-predict-flakes/
6 pages on “nine steps to a solid day 2″ here: http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/end/day_2/259.html
Read all 3 of those, they cover everything from why a girl flakes to how to see it coming to how to prevent/minimize it.
As I said in a different comment: “there are butthurt guys who would just say “whatever fuck it she can go with him if she wants, I’d Next that bitch for disrespecting me!!!” But I’m posting this because PUAs like to figure out “how could I turn this seemingly impossible situation around…?” more for the mental exercise and expanding our knowledge-base rather than because we desperately need that particular girl”
Remember, as Tyler once said and as I oft repeat: You can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked…that’s HER Nexting YOU.
‘You can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked…that’s HER Nexting YOU.’
Always loved this line.
And that’s a lot of really great material.
But on the real, there just aren’t any shortcuts. I’ve accepted that just reading the shit really isn’t the same as training yourself Pavlov style in the field.
Like, so many nights when I go home I just think to myself ‘man, I should have done X here, said Y here, escalated here….’ It’s kind of starting to dawn on me how goddamned tight you have to be to pull hot girls from cold approach.
“I’ve accepted that just reading the shit really isn’t the same as training yourself Pavlov style in the field.”
Read AND train. There’s no point going out every night for a year if you just stumble around blind…go out with a gameplan, just make sure you go out and consciously work on what you read. The guys who came before you went thru the same hard knocks you’re going thru and paved a nice clear path…you still gotta walk it yourself, but don’t run thru the forest aimlessly lol
“It’s kind of starting to dawn on me how goddamned tight you have to be to pull hot girls from cold approach.”
No way, man! Remember all the anti-gamers and guys who don’t do cold approach have TOLD us that any guy can get those bar sluts. Any of them could just walk into a bar and take home the hottest girls there because those girls are blindingly drunk and spreading their legs on every table in the bar begging for more STDs. You must really suck if you can’t bang these easy bar sluts that guys who’ve never fucked anything higher than a 6 off a cold approach know they could bang. You should probably just give up, I mean, you’re SHORT too. Everyone knows short guys can’t get laid. Lol
It’s not that short guys can’t get laid, it’s just harder for them. One cannot, after all, demonstrate higher value if you’ve been rejected the moment she sets her eyes on you. A woman’s distaste for short men is little different in principle than a man’s distaste for fat women. That one of these may be amenable to self-correction and the other not is of little consequence.
‘One cannot, after all, demonstrate higher value if you’ve been rejected the moment she sets her eyes on you.’
K well that^ happens a lot LESS than you think.
My favorite reply to “I have a boyfriend” is always “I have an uncle with 5 cats.” Usually they laugh or get flustered, and I just continue ‘okay, your turn….this is a fun game. What else do you have? Do you have cats? Please don’t have cats, cause I’m more of a dog person…..blah blah blah blah.”
What about “Wait, what is THIS” or “Who ARE you?” usually dropped when you open and transition strong and the girls rapidly get into state. For the first one, I tend to go with “a conversation, do you have them often?” But for the second one, I’m not really sure what an ideal response would be — “you’ll find out soon enough?”
Ya, I kno it doesn’t matter -what- you say….but it’s easier to have confident, cool delivery when you already know the score. Confidence flowing from competence, blah blah.
Uh, what about “My [parental figure] would love you/you would get along so well with my dad/etc.” Wtf is this? I’d dismiss it as just a compliment or a weird diss save the fact that it’s happened a few times.
“Stop staring at me” is a lot like “why do you keep looking at me”
I’ve always just gone with “oh….well you have an interesting face. I’m not sure if I like it yet.” I don’t know how effective it is, but it did blast open a set last night. Will field test moar. I’ve said similar things before about earrings/accessories…but never about someone’s face. It works pretty well overall when I say it about accessories.
“I’ve said similar things before about earrings/accessories…but never about someone’s face. It works pretty well overall when I say it about accessories.”
Careful with this. To paraphrase David DeAngelo: She can’t choose her face, but she can choose better accessories. Compare how Old Scray would’ve reacted to “you’re too short” VS “that’s a terrible shirt”…one would be like “well fuck you then!” and the other would be like “I have better shirts at home I swear!!” lol
ya I mean, in that one set where it opened them I did preface it with “okay now, don’t get offended or take this the wrong way…are you sure you want to know why?”
I def want to do it more though….hopefully no one throws a drink on me. But if they do….welp,
Maybe: “okay now, don’t get offended or take this the wrong way….you sure you want to know? Okay….so I think your face is interesting….like, I’m not really sure if I’m attracted to it. It’s attractive, but I’m not really sure if I’m attracted. Which is interesting, that’s never really happened before lol”
I will try it like this the next time I run into that shit test.
“hopefully no one throws a drink on me”
Open your mouth as they do and bam, free drink!
Routine is a decent start, the preface helps remove the insulting part of it AND builds intrigue, so that’s good.
But what/how will you transition and to what, to head towards a lay? ie – you’re not giving her much to work with so her response will probably be “umm okayyyy…? Is that a good thing or…?” She’s not going to be like “omg an interesting face?? Please let me suck your dick!!”
Listen to Tyler explaining the 90/10 rule in his old RSD 2 hour seminar audio (google it, easy to find, I’m on my phonr lol) where he coaches the guy through the 90/10 rule and has him go from “you have beautiful skin….(“thanks! ….thankyouuuu….??”)” expecting her to contribute, and coaches him into transitioning into a story about ancient amazon women using blah on their skin to blah, where now he’s offering value and become interesting and from THERE she might go 50/50.
Basically where can you take this “you have an interesting face” that will progress the interaction toward a lay? Why is it interesting? What does it remind you of? How can you lead toward something sexual with it?
So I might say something like “ya, it’s your chipmunk cheeks, they reminds me of this girl back in high school that I used to have a huge crush on. She broke my heart, so I don’t think this relationship is going to work out. The wounds are too fresh, it’s not you, it’s me. We should keep our relationship to shallow meaningless sex so I don’t get hurt again.”
Or “ya it’s the way you bite your lip…I have a feeling you’re not as innocent as people think you are. (to her friends) Girls, she’s actually the bad girl of the group, isn’t she.”
etc etc. basically I’m taking your bit and then using it to transition to sexual talk and future projection and role playing and cold-reading etc. vs “you have an interesting face.” “Is that good?” “I dunno I haven’t decided yet…” “…okayyy…? Thanks…?” “…” “…” “So umm what’s your name?”zzzzzzzzz…
Always be leading toward your goal. Right from the start.
‘She’s not going to be like “omg an interesting face?? Please let me suck your dick!!”’
Man don’t rain on my parade, c’mon. there’s at least a non-zero probability of that happening.
Ya I see what you’re saying. It’s just a matter of internalizing all these concepts in the field. I’m in no hurry, rly. It’ll take a bit to consistently be able to generate ‘tight intriguing shit test answer —> tight story” like a natural.
A compendium of statements that are *not,* in fact, shit tests—and should be taken at face value:
1. “I’m sorry, but my friend is going through a hard time right now and we’re kind of busy talking through it.” As my friend wipes at her mascara and blows her nose. (He would not leave us alone and eventually we just paid our check and left to get away from him.)
2. “I’m here with my boyfriend; he’s just at the bar getting drinks and he will be back any second.” (This one, by the by, came very close to fisticuffs.)
3. “Get your goddamn hands off me right now.” (He got frog-marched out by a bouncer who had apparently been watching the whole thing.)
None of the above would have had to go as far as they did if the men in question had been keeping an eye on my body language. A woman who is cradling a sobbing friend can’t talk to you right now, even if she wants to. A woman whose arms are crossed, torso twisting away from you, does not want you to approach any further and doesn’t want to be touched. A woman whose eyebrows are drawn together in a scowl, lips pressed into a livid, hard line, is genuinely angry and probably about to start yelling (if you’re lucky).
[CH: What's with the spiteful ire? No one here claimed any of these were shit tests. Check your misplaced feminist rage. As for any man unable to take the above hints... it's safe to say those guys have no game.]
lol who would ever think that those are shit tests?
Newbie PUAs who haven’t learned calibration yet lol. The first few months can be really embarrassing/face-palming to be around depending on how socially inept they’re starting out.
It seems the formula for dealing with SSTs is:
2) Maintaining composure and dominance
3) Reversals (going from being “in trouble” to escalation.)
In fact, this is exactly the point of SSTs, to see if you are smart and strong. They’re merely auditions. Treat them as such. Put on a show.
I’ve had some success in just calling women’s emotional bluffs. If they get super charged with feelings out of nowhere, it’s usually a bluff and can be put down easily by coming back at them even harder. They’re never ready for that.
This x 1000. The whole “James Bond” ignore thing only works if you’re already high value. When you get shit tested, you should always be aiming to crush the ball. You have to take the risk.
What Bond movies are you watching? He always has a witty retort for shit-testing bitches.
Ya, you’re right…I just think a lot of guys miss the ‘wit’ part and focus on the ‘cool’ part. So when I say “James Bond,” I’m just saying what I see out in the field…dudes decked out looking cool, holding up their drinks, trying real hard to project DGAF without saying anything ever, etc.
Ya, this is what I mean when I refer to guys being “James Bond”.
Years ago I lost a buddy over failing to read a girl’s signals. I was a lonely 26-yr old who decided to finally sack up and talk to a girl. I don’t remember what I was saying to her but looking back I’m sure it was try-hard as I was doing most of the talking. Thought she seemed interested, and with the music blaring I heard her say lets get a drink. Apparently she said SHE was getting a drink b/c when I followed she turned and said “you’re still here?” Beta panic set in. I just sheepishly apologized and quickly bailed. Thought that was the end of it.
Later on I’m talking with my acquaintance and up walks the girl. She asks him “you know this guy?” “Yes” he replies. She smirks, “well tell your horny friend he needs to control himself.” He bursts into laughter as I feel my face warming with humilation. Now while I don’t recall exactly what I was saying to her earlier, I know it wasn’t remotely sexual. I was far too cowardly for that; it was just innocuous nice guy blather – boring maybe but in no way (IMHO) warranted this response. I feel it was a response to my following her, and she wasn’t about to settle for my apology.
My buddy goes on to flirt with her and she continues to bash me with lines like “at least SOMEONE knows how to talk to a girl” etc.. I wasn’t saying anything. I was actually fighting tears lol. He spread the story to anyone who would listen and thus ended our friendship.
Whoever that girl was, she successfully got a timid guy to go back into his shell for years. However, the rage I felt over that incident eventually drove me to improve myself so I suppose I should thank her for that.
[CH: Moral of the story: Girls will give no quarter to niceguy betas. So you may as well play around with them.
Don't worry anymore. Your redemption is here in the hallowed halls of Le Chateau.]
‘My buddy goes on to flirt with her and she continues to bash me with lines like “at least SOMEONE knows how to talk to a girl”’
lol it’s so cool how like…….girls say the same shit across cities, populations, etc. I’ve heard something similar. Granted, this was in the context of me busting on a girl and a nearby beta orbiter being all nice and giving her validation —> “THAT is how you talk to someone with a vagina.”
“Oh, you have a vagina?” (smirk)
Anyway….yaaaaaaaa it sux brah. It’s so cool though….reading your thing, my mind was like ‘man I’d do this here, I wonder what would happen….’
When she said “you’re still here?” —- “ya you’re buying me a drink I thought.”
Or, when she said this: “well tell your horny friend he needs to control himself.” my immediate thought would be to laugh ‘ya man she’s totally right, (pantomiming jackoff motion) I should just (then just pantomime jizz exploding all over her) OH SHIT, SORRY. I DID IT AGAIN! I’m so sorry, but sorry-I’m-not-sorry! Phew. That was great. I hope you keep in touch tho. (turn to friend) she’s all yours bro. Our time, however brief, was splendid.”
lol I may just fucking follow a girl around tonight after saying ‘hi’ just hoping for her to say something about it….just so I can respond ‘ya you’re buying me a drink, rite?’
I may never get to try that exact response to ‘tell your horny friend…” tho.
It seems solid, but idk! I did that as part of the ‘jizz opener’ but that was a diff context.
Good luck on your journey!
The jackoff joke just comes off as butthurt.
well Mitch, guess I’ll go try it out tonight and we’ll see. My wager is that apologizing for invisible jizz is hilarious (to me at least) and that it’s impossible to be butthurt when you’re on the verge of cracking up. BUT da FIELD WILL REVEAL ALL
No no, I didn’t mean the gesture. I meant if you surround it with all that speech, it’s too much. Whereas if you do the pantomime and make a few awkward sounds, you should be gold.
Make no mistake: I’m also a fan of that gesture and it’s worked for me before. Godspeed.
lol nah, the way he described it is solid. It would come off more butthurt like an angry “well fuck you then” without all the words. I only say this cause my style of game is extremely verbose so that’s the kind of thing I would do.
Good stuff Scray, you’ve come a long way lol
Honestly, she may have been trying to flirt with you. It kind of sounds like it.
It’s like how socially awkward guys don’t get that men bust on eachother as a show of affection/respect. So they think their alpha bro is as asshole when often he actually just expects them to be able to keep up and be confident enough to understand shit-talk is a bonding friendship thing.
But as an AFC you take everything literally and a thousand worst-case scenarios go thru your head for everything, like what happened with the OP here.
Hard to say after so much time went by. In any case, a friend would help him out, not humiliate him further to try advance his station. Of course women love this brand of cruelty. I’m a scumbag but I don’t think I would do that to a friend, at least not with him knowing. Unless she’s really hot.
Nah man, most guys *don’t* get it. Even the worst anti-gamers don’t get it. I’ve come to accept this.
For example, I got invited out with some friends the other night, and there’s this one guy there — total anti-game.
Annnnyways….I talk to this 2 set (I tend to follow the 3 second rule wherever I go now….but in social circle gatherings I just keep it more casual) of a 6 and a 4. So, by chance I set up this whole thing where if they can beat us in pool (me and the AG…unfortunately my other friend — the solid, good wing was indisposed) I’d tell them my name. So far so good, yaaaaaa.
AG instantly waltzes in, tries to cut me off from the hot one. Ok, I think, whatever, let him go for it. AG then attempts to AMOG me by trying to fuck up the little games I play with the girls —>
Me: so ya, before I tell you my name (they won….AG is terrible at pool…fucking useless lol) you should guess, what do I look like?
Girls: (start having fun with it, yaaa….easy shit) Josh…..oh wait, Bobby, oh wait…..
AG: Heh heh, you look more like a Perez to me
(now both girls laugh at this and in my mind I’m like ‘wtf, is this motherfucker trying to step TO ME?’)
Me: (with faux indignation) I live in a post-racial world, and you’re being a little too pre-post-racial right now. (not looking at AG, then I waggle my eyebrows) having said that….I’m clearly a Sanchez — buenos dias.
Later I’m guessing what they do….classic routine where I just guess the most ridiculous things. Here comes AG
AG: ya, no you’re way off with this. They’re not even close to being zookeepers
Me; (to girls) You mean to say you aren’t zookeepers? (grin) Say it ain’t so.
I was focusing on the 4, just trying to be a good wing….just letting him talk to the 6 — he’s getting nowhere with his boring bullshit. Like, they exchange a line or two of dialogue before the 6 refocuses on me. He keeps giving them a ton of validation…..after awhile I just eject. Between my mistakes and his retardation, I just think it isn’t worth saving.
So, after all that’s said and done Anti-game is real pumped. I walk outside and glance around. Then there he is, right beside me.
‘Hey man, see any other hot girls you fancy? Let’s go chat em’ up. That girl -I- was talking to was real hot. I mean, yours wasn’t so good, but y’know….’
You must be fucking kidding me. I actually lol’d at his version of reality.
My response: ‘Ya man, if you see some you like go for it.’
This guy now thinks we’re buddy buddy friends tho.
lol ya this happens alllll the fucking time. In his mind that was the best night of his life in months and he was on fire, he got to talk to a girl!! He has no idea how far he was from banging her or how much he fucked things up for both of you.
I don’t even totally mind it if they’re still cool guys, but if they start talking smack on top of it it’s like okay, next time I try for the 3-some with both of them and flip you the bird on my way out the door lol
God, I could write 10 pages on all the little dynamics going on here. Epic.
I liked this clip so much because the reaction that the woman in the blue dress has is something I’ve seen a lot in the field. However, when it’s from my POV…I’m like ‘omg I’m creeping her out I suck, better shut down…’ but viewing it from an outside perspective I’m like ‘wow he’s killing it.’
She’s a fucking 6-7. There are 100 of her at any given bar tonight and 100 different hers out at that same bar tomorrow night. And next weekend. And the weeked after that.
Don’t shit where you eat. Don’t risk your academic reputation for a 6. The only reason you’re even considering it is because you don’t go out so you’re trapped in a scarcity mentality where you have to take the scraps the universe tosses you.
Go the fuck out instead.
They actually did kiss here: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pLSoahqTt40/UYqyT_rGQ0I/AAAAAAAAEhA/atHh8prQsKQ/s1600/132.jpg
Fat-ass sister is right: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SBrxxhI5ru0/UYqyS42_PHI/AAAAAAAAEg4/F4fIRT3A0lQ/s1600/127.jpg
Another kiss: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wy0RSSk2Ii0/UYqyXJvrzyI/AAAAAAAAEhI/keDYg5njMvE/s1600/206.jpg
You can see a bunch of wedding photos here: http://www.kgcphoto.blogspot.com/2013/05/heidel-house-wedding-photography-of.html
[CH: She turned her cheek to the most important kiss of her life. That means something. I don't think anyone is claiming they never kissed ever at all at any other time.]
She’s smiling against his OPEN lips in that first pic — they ain’t kissing. HE’S kissing. It’s just a closer proximity version of the above photos. The other kissing pic seems to be the result of photographer direction.
“She’s smiling against his OPEN lips in that first pic — they ain’t kissing. HE’S kissing.”
Yep. Noticed this too and it’s an important tell.
The thirty day challenge began Weds, rather than Tues. Had a ton of interactions, but there’s always a few per night that present a learning opportunity. As always, I apologize for the length.
We roll to a section of town with several great medium intensity venues (more high energy and anonymous than a straight up bar but less than a club). I spot a guy talking to a 6 and a 7. I study them for a few seconds and conclude the guy isn’t with them (their body language, his body language, blah blah). I open with the usual ‘sorry I’m late…’ and exchange names, then the dude talks over me to the 6 and asks her what she does. She says, flatly, ‘work.’
Me: (I smirk and tap her on the arm) Really? That’s the best you can do. -Work-?
Me: Fine, if you and your friend aren’t gonna tell me what you do…I’m just gonna make something up
6: …that’s fine.
Me: that’s fine (spoken with my tongue out) that’s you. that’s what you sound like (she laughs)
AGC: Nah, if they don’t want to tell…that’s cool, I mean — – (starts talking to the 7)
Me: Yeah, obviously you and your friend work in the circus, and you’re the ring leader and she’s the lion tamer.
6: Psh….(pause…she decides to play along) she would never be a lion tamer, I would be….
Me: She’s an incompetent lion tamer?! That’s kind of a mean thing to say about your friend
6: No, I – -
Me: I mean, christ…with friends like you. Whatever, I won’t tell her, it’ll be our secret.
6: (blink blink)….huh, I….
Me: (immediately turns to the 7 cutting off her convo with chode) Your FRIEND thinks you’re a shitty lion tamer
7: (pauses, tilts head, laughs) what….
Me: (to the 6) Sorry, I broke the secret. You were foolish to share it with me
6: (smirks) We don’t have secrets anyway
Me: Oh it’s gonna be like that, eh? (walks across group, puts arm around 7…looks at her) Hey, we’re best friends now. HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES, 6?
6: (laughs…then, 7 tries to do that thing girls do where they talk to each other and exclude the guys….I’m sick of this shit happening; I end up snapping my fingers between them) WHAT. THE. FUCK? You are SO bad at this! Stop talking to her.
7: (she turns back) Oh, sorry!
Me: Ya… (AGC keeps trying to fuck my shit up by just saying logical shit ‘what are you talking about’ ‘what, they’re friends dude…’ He talks to the 6, motioning at me a few times)….guess what, I have you figured out already. (idk, it just came out of my mouth)
7: Oh ya?
Me: Ya….you’re like the kind of person who — almost always unwillingly — inspires a lot of passion in people.
7: (tilts her head and chuckles) what does that even mean….?
(on cue, AGC starts talking to 7 again about how awesome he is at painting, art, blah blah blah blah….and he’s talking LOUD, trying to box me out…her eyes are glazing over, and I lightly tap her arm, then look at him and gesture with my thumb)
Me: (steps a little closer when he turns attention back to the 6 for one second) See what I mean? (she snickers and turns more toward me….ahhh, social hookpoint reached, now it’s time to DHV….but then…_
Then three more girls come in and swoop those two away, but I didn’t let the 7 go easily. Worst number close in the history of all time. I barely reached the social hookpoint and I’m like, ‘ya so give me your number.’ She’s like ‘I don’t even know you!’ ‘So…’ Lol, I was pushy and gay about it, but I got it. Don’t any of you worry — as of right now she’s a flake. Still, it seems like you gotta ask for the number (or try to go with them or keep them there if you can), if only to get smoother at executing the process. I just thought that using the cold read there to AMOG was pretty cool.
Ya, then after I talked with a 5.5 and a 4….using game on the 5.5 was like fishing with dynamite. Could easily be the summer’s first lay…but I mean….meh, idk, maybe hold out for something better.
Opened lots of sets at a club…nice venue. One interaction stood out. I was talking to these three girls, 6.5, 7, 7.5. Opened…did the little roleplay, got their names, then….
Me: Ya…..she’s definitely the best singer out of you three
7.5: No I’m not
Me: Ya you are. Sing YMCA.
7.5: (laughing) Okay, well…you have to do the YMCA signs
Me: I don’t have to do shit. We’ll all do it, all right guys? I’m gonna count you off……1, 2, 3, 4
(funny shit, she starts singing it, her friends start doing the YMCA thing — I don’t do anything)
Me: …. you guys look real stupid right now. (they laugh)
Enter three tall, ripped, d00ds.
AMOG1: Who the fuck is this guy? Psh
AMOG2: Yeah, I’ll have a cranberry vodka, fool
(they laugh among themselves…….fuck these motherfuckers)
Me: (smile) All right man…(then just points to the table where there are no cranberry vodkas)…there you go
AMOG3 gets in my space, looking down at me trying to intimidate me…I still smile
Me: Hey man, nice to meet you. That’s a killer belt you have on.
AMOG3: Nice to meet you to, and uh….I’m, just a weeeee bit taller than you
Me: (in a thuglife-meets-pauly-shore’s-optimism voice….still smiling) Congratulations, dudebro!
(girls laugh, when I try to shake his hand again he does the thing where he runs his hand through his hair instead….now I just legit laugh at this faggot and turn back to the main group)
Me: I used to have a secret handshake just like that in 10th grade — did you guys have secret handshakes? (to the girls — one of them covers her mouth with a snicker, holy shit…am I….am I sort of winning this?….now the guy is visibly pissed)
AMOG3: ….yeah, well when was that…25 years ago?!
(wtf….I’m guessing he must’ve meant 5 years ago to comment on my youth but due to a total abundance of fagitude messed it up. I just look down at the girl next to him and raise eyebrow then look away…no one laughs at what he says now)
AMOG3: …These are our girlfriends dude, step the fuck off.
7: No, no hey it’s okay…we were having fun, and…
Me: Nah, hey, I totally understand. It was nice meeting all of you.
(I then make sure to shake all of the AMOG’s hands and just bounce)
That night was ok. Nightly opened a set with a 3, 5, and 6 (I swear I only see him open average/plain sets) So for funsies I kissed the 5 (his target was the 5.5) in like 5 minutes. However, I was a shitty wing because I went to the bar with both of them to give Nightly a chance alone with his target….then just opened another set. Without anyone to distract, the obstacles returned…heh. M’bad.
Three interactions that are strange….first, a 7 and a 7.5. I do the opener, I start into a roleplay — ‘we met last week at the party….’ /HIJACKED
7: Ya, there was a unicorn there, right?
7.5: Oh I’m sure there was, Yeah WE MET BY THE UNICORN (puts a hand on my shoulders) Remember? You were the gayest one there…
Me: …Oh hey that’s an okay story, I give it a 6 on a scale of 1-10
7: (they both laugh…)
Me: So you guys are obviously from around here
7.5: Actually we aren’t….
7: Yeah, we’re from Mars
Me: I’m from Venus — I guess they mixed us up. (I think it’s a good joke, but it’s a little too much in the moment and it sails over their heads)
7.5: What’s Venus like?
Me: Idk I left when I was a baby….you go to school?
7: Ya, I’m an English major
Me: Oh that’s why you make up stories…(to the 7.5) let me see your glasses
(7.5 smiles then complies)
Me: (impersonation of the 7) Oooh look at me, I make up stories about being on Mars, blah blah blah, I’m so smart I’m an Eng-rish major….
(they laugh, and I’m sitting there with her glasses on for a few seconds and things die a little…then, all of a sudden…)
7: Wow, be entertaining.
7.5: Ya, you were so much fun a minute or two ago.
Me: Fuck you. (lol I realize too late that this entire thing is just a ninja insane shit test of epic proportions — or that’s what my perceptions lead me to believe, and so I’ve just come off as another yuk yuk queer giving them good vibes, and so ya…the fuck you is actually kind of butthurt because I feel like they didn’t need more jokes from me or whatever, I feel like they needed to be led/dominated/whatever in response to the testing….I manage to recapture the bad emotions while they recoil)
Me: (smile, act as if it didn’t happen) Oh yeah, why an English major, why not Art, or biology, or whatever? (they snicker…)
7: Because I’m from Maaaaaaars….
(both of them giggle at one another…..I’m confused as phuck….)
Me: Ya, cool. You gonna keep bullshitting all night?
7: I’m not bullshitting you at all!
(At the next opportunity, I bail….and I immediately regret it. I need to learn to take myself more seriously, but also….I just vow that from now on I ain’t ejecting until I’ve tried everything possible)
So then off of that I see a 5 and a 7 walking past. Run the opener….INSTANT backturn by the 7 even though the 5 was going to respond. I could leave, but nope….
Me: Hey, don’t be rude…(I say this with a smile…she turns and gives me a dirty look, then turns away again)
5 stays out of it
Me: Wow…that’s weird, you don’t even talk to people who talk to you? (still said in a light tone)
5: We’re just ordering a drink….
Me: …oh ya? I can recommend some good ones here, me and my friends have pretty much tried everything on the menu
5: Oh ya? (gets a menu….7 snatches it from her…lol, I just edge closer and start to point at the menu)
Me: Ya, see this is a good two for one specia- -
7 yanks the menu away from me. hahahaha.
Me: (to the 5) your friend is something, huh? I mean it’s just funny. This has never happened to me before (just a random statement, real light…and then…)
7 whirls around, arms folded
7: Oh, do they just fall at your feet with all of that talk? Newsflash, I’m not like other girls….
(I can practically feel the emotions come off of her now….and I’m actually just flabbergasted. It feels like a window of opportunity just opened. Annnnnd….I just stand there, blinking…the set’s over soon enough, I just direct them to the bar in a gesture and smile. I felt really good about that set….because I feel like I could have turned it around. Something about what I did seems like the right way to do it. Best rejection ever)
See an 8 sitting next to a 5, and I roll in with my opener. The 8 acts slightly, politely amused, and then I bust on her for being on her cell phone. I said something like O YOU NOT SEE YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE BREAKDOWN OF CIVILIZATION! GOD. DAMMIT, and she was like ‘whoa, calm down,’ and I (accidentally) delivered this perfectly….hard eye contact, a slight smirk, awesome body posture ‘you don’t tell me what to do.’
And so the great shit-test avalanche of 2013 began…I mean, we were STARING INTO ONE ANOTHER’S EYES during this entire exchange, keep in mind.
Her: Oh I think I do, what are you 4’10
Me: 6’8, I’m just really far away
Her: I bet your dick’s really “far away” too (lol)
Me: Ya it’s like a wet baby carrot
Her: (she snickers…) Ya my ex-boyfriend’s was huge…so we’re going to have a problem.
Me: Thanks for the health report regarding your vag.
Her: (another snicker…but she like, seems to be annoyed by the fact that she snickered….you have to see this shit to believe it)
Me: Oh gee, she likes me…
Her: (she shakes her head, still smiling) No, I don’t. Your watch is just douchey…
Her:…and I don’t even know what you’re trying to accomplish here
Her: Victory…..you? (like a dog with a fucking bone, man….)
Me: …yeah (faltering)
Her: Does this ever even work for you? (she’s getting to me, I’m getting fried here….I’m very confused — we haven’t broken eye contact)
Me: Jesus christ….just be nice. (I avert my gaze a bit…..she laughs but, it’s not a good one. everything eases back to normal………I’m frustrated, I ask for the number a few minutes later….she ‘doesn’t give it out to anyone.’ :*(. Greaaaaaaaaat….)
Club time again. For whatever reason, interacting with hot girls — good bad, whatever — has started to fuel my confidence. My body language is getting there…I still struggle with slowing down my movements and getting rid of nerdo twitchy movements. So, with hot girls…especially after I do something bold or cool (like I talk to a 7, run the opener and just smirk and sit next to them….they’ll smile and be like…)
‘how tall are you?’
‘too bad you’re so short’
Some variation on those….which I really haven’t heard before. I’m also, and this is still outside my reality, getting this:
‘oh how many girls have you said that to?’
‘…why can’t i look at the pics on your phone? Is it full of pics of you and other girls?! It is, isn’t it?!’
‘you’re such a player…I don’t go for that sort of thing (or some variation thereof)
Number closed a 7, was really vibing with a 7.5 (until Nightly offended her 5.5 friend by joking saying she was bipolar….or something, idk)….managed to reach social hook point with two Swedish chicks — one of which I’m pretty sure had to have been top 3 in that club (I’d say like a 9). Also got yelled/AMOG’d out of a table purchased by some middle eastern rich people when I went in there to talk ‘more privately’ with a 6…lol — she invited me! ….And she was engaged! My focus has been on being less jokey and more on attempts to emotionally connect with the girl, and to not let her get away with bullshit answers to actual questions — in a non-butthurt, light way. (quite the tightrope to walk…like, you just can’t read this shit in a book….)
Now, I’m reaching the social hookpoint in most of my sets. I’m also doing a lot more kino. The general rule seems to be to touch whenever you give a good feeling. I also think that shit tests are like….an opportunity to demonstrate different things. Like, for me…I think when a girl shit tests me…I need to show that I’m dominant and won’t take shit because she perceives the opposite of that because of my stature. So……I’m going to try and start using the same jokes and whatever, but I’m going to try really hard to deliver them like Don Draper would. With an edge.
I’m also, like I said before, not going to give up on any set easily. Who knew…pickup/game builds character. Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated.
Props on doing a 30 day challenge. You’re in for a ride lol. Here we go:
“I study them for a few seconds and conclude the guy isn’t with them (their body language, his body language, blah blah).”
You can actually get really good at this. Most guys, especially newbies, just assume any guy with a girl MUST be her boyfriend who’s also secrety a professional MMA fighter who’s going to flip out and kill them the instant they dare say hello to her.
“then the dude talks over me to the 6 and asks her what she does.”
This is a classic AMOG move. The funny part is that they don’t have anything to get an emotional reaction out of her when they speak over you, so it’s like you’re robbing a bank with a machine gun and then they jump in front and try to steal the limelight except they’re holding a plastic toy handgun. All he does is fuck up your shit, but he isn’t good enough to TAKE your shit, so in the end everyone loses lol.
I use this move a lot, just talking to the girl as if the AMOG isn’t there (even if he’s yelling right *AT* me, he just doesn’t exist to me, I keep my eyes laser locked on her and confident and talk like normal). The difference between me doing it and a random AFC doing it is that the shit I’m saying when I talk over him is a loaded emotional bazooka so for me it works.
Often, if I don’t think the guy is a total dick but he was just being overprotective instinctively, I’ll make him feel awkward social pressure while I ignore him for a bit and spike both girls emotions through the roof so he’s stuck standing there quietly with no attention on him, juuuust long enough so that he knows I can fuck his shit up if I want to, and then I’ll back off and be like “no but seriously, how do you girls know my buddy here? He’s an awesome guy, you two need to talk, I’m kidnapping 6 here.” and from there on he’s my best buddy. It’s like I’m sub-communicating to him “don’t be a dick to me because I will crush you, let’s be friends instead.” and he’s so relieved that I didn’t crush him that he’s grateful and we become buddies.
“if you and your friend aren’t gonna tell me what you do…I’m just gonna make something up”
Self-amusement right here. You’re really good at making shit fun for yourself. I can’t find the video off-hand but Brad from RSD has one where he describes when he goes up to girls who are unreceptive he just keeps talking and will be like “Oh? You don’t want to talk? That’s cool, I like to listen to myself talk anyway because I’m so awesome. Anything I say is more interesting than anything you would say anyway.” and just keeps riffing until she cracks. Like his mindset is basically “oh, you don’t realize we’re having fun? That’s okay, I’ll give you a minute to figure that out. It’s cute that you would pretend not to be having fun with me. Let me know when you realize we’re having fun and we’ll resume from there. In the meantime I’m going to fuck around and make myself laugh. ”
“AGC: Nah, if they don’t want to tell…that’s cool, I mean — – (starts talking to the 7)”
White Knight supplication, obviously. I would keep plowing like you lol My mindset in these situations is “we are at a bar, and NORMAL people socialize, so it’s weird that this girl wouldn’t socialize, especially because I’m awesome, so I’m going to tease her and/or scold her for being anti-social and retarded in a social environment.”
“6: Psh….(pause…she decides to play along”
ioi. You’ve started to 180 this girl who wanted nothing to do with you, simply by confidently plowing and just assuming that she’ll eventually like you. “Give me 10 minutes to talk away my ugly face and I’ll bed the queen of france” or whatever that quote is.
“6: Psh….(pause…she decides to play along) she would never be a lion tamer, I would be….
Me: She’s an incompetent lion tamer?! That’s kind of a mean thing to say about your friend
6: No, I – -
Me: I mean, christ…with friends like you. Whatever, I won’t tell her, it’ll be our secret.
6: (blink blink)….huh, I….
Me: (immediately turns to the 7 cutting off her convo with chode) Your FRIEND thinks you’re a shitty lion tamer
7: (pauses, tilts head, laughs) what….”
Holy shit, Scray. Fucking BEAUTIFUL. This is the kind of shit I do. This is you 1) self-amusing, 2) controlling the frame, 3) talking over her objections showing dominance, 4) teasing/role-playing, 5) pushing her through an emotional rollercoaster (“no!! I didn’t say that omg!!”), 5) involving the friend in the chaos, 6) dominating the entire set, etc.
Fucking awesome man. This is the kind of stuff that makes the other guy fade into the background and become invisible to them. You can literally just walk off with both girls when you’re running game this solid.
“6: (smirks) We don’t have secrets anyway”
Shit-test. Trying to make you feel like an outsider.
“Me: Oh it’s gonna be like that, eh? (walks across group, puts arm around 7…looks at her) Hey, we’re best friends now. HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES, 6?”
Shitting all over her test lol From here you could roleplay with 7 and create an “us VS 6″ frame where you pretend to gossip about her and shit, depending on how receptive 7 is.
Either way right now the other guy doesn’t exist. Follow the shiny object, girls.
“6: (laughs…then, 7 tries to do that thing girls do where they talk to each other and exclude the guys….I’m sick of this shit happening; I end up snapping my fingers between them) WHAT. THE. FUCK? You are SO bad at this! Stop talking to her.
7: (she turns back) Oh, sorry!”
lol. A lot of guys would go “what?? You can DO that?!” This is similar to the frame I described that I have above where I’ll scold them for being anti-social. If I extend my hand and say my name and they hesitate, I’ll take their hand and put it in mind and go “This is where you say your name. I see this is your first time out in public, it’s okay, I will teach you how to be a normal friendly person so people don’t think you’re a bitch.” etc.
One of my fav Tyler stories is when he learned how to get rid of fatties (starts at 11:40 in this vid):
So a lot of good can come from being fed up with retarded behavior and calling them out on it lol
“(AGC keeps trying to fuck my shit up by just saying logical shit ‘what are you talking about’ ‘what, they’re friends dude…’ He talks to the 6, motioning at me a few times)”
This is what I’ll do to kill a set for a guy who I’m running interference for a buddy on. Like my friend wants his girl, so I’ll talk to him and get him into a logical boring conversation and the girls temperature dies down and then my buddy can spike it up and take her.
He’s trying to tool you, but he’s not good enough.
“….guess what, I have you figured out already.”
Good, even if you’re bullshitting lol. Say *ANYTHING*, you can probably recover and it helps teach you to think on your feet.
“Me: Ya….you’re like the kind of person who — almost always unwillingly — inspires a lot of passion in people.”
Kind of gay. lol. But hey, better than nothing. If I have to do a random cold read, I like to use “I bet you intimidate most guys. You’re into them but they can’t keep up with you and you get bored.” This is true for like, everyone, guy and girl, lol
“AGC starts talking to 7 again about how awesome he is at painting, art, blah blah blah blah….and he’s talking LOUD, trying to box me out…her eyes are glazing over, and I lightly tap her arm, then look at him and gesture with my thumb”
lol. He’s just running weak-ass AFC game. This is your competition. Like, seriously lol Even some of your good-looking buddies run this kind of boring-ass game, if you pay attention to what they’re doing. This is why the jacked up guys in suits at the bar don’t worry me, they’re just not as interesting as I am.
Also you’ve set a frame where the guy is the lowest value person in the group…you had 6 on the ropes, you befriended 7 and now you’re pointing out that the dude is her “follower”. All good stuff, even if some of it was sub-conscious/accidental.
“Me: (steps a little closer when he turns attention back to the 6 for one second) See what I mean? (she snickers and turns more toward me….ahhh, social hookpoint reached, now it’s time to DHV….but then…_”
Perfect. You’ve technically won this from that guy. This is where, if you’re feeling ballsy, you could do something like hold out your hand and when she takes it, just pull her through the group to be face to face with you and put her arms around your shoulders, yours around her waist, with her back facing the dude, and say some cold-read/teasing shit like “7. You’ve inspired ME now. I’m madly in love with you and I can tell you feel the same. I know, I know, you’re thinking “I didn’t say I love you”…but you did, 7. You said it…with your EYES.” Just super cheesy, it doesn’t matter really, the point is to just keep pumping her with an emotional rollercoaster and create that bubble where only you and her exist.
“Then three more girls come in and swoop those two away”
“but I didn’t let the 7 go easily.”
Good. I’ve held onto a girls arm and had a tug-of-war with her friends while saying “say your number, I’ll remember it.” etc. It’s a hail-mary, but it’s better than letting her go and not having a # to try working on.
“She’s like ‘I don’t even know you!’ ‘So…’”
I usually use “Shhh, it’s fine. 555…?” Like, in my mind I won’t even give her a logical reason she should do it, it’s just no, this isn’t a problem. These are not the droids you’re looking for.
“Don’t any of you worry — as of right now she’s a flake.”
All good. Better to get the flakey number than to not go for it at all. If you run into her a month from now at the bar you can bust on her for ignoring your calls and tell her you were depressed all month dreaming about her and your wedding etc. etc. and tease her TO her friends who love you. Tons of ways to turn it around next time you see her.
“Still, it seems like you gotta ask for the number (or try to go with them or keep them there if you can), if only to get smoother at executing the process.”
Yep. Reference experiences to numb you to it. Remember in junior high? When asking for a girl’s phone number was *EPIC*. Rumors would go around school and you’d shit bricks picking up the phone to dial it, etc. It was like climbing mount olympus. That’s what a lot of guys in the bar are still like. You want to be the guy who’s like a club promoter or a socialite who’s just like “Ya, cool, gimme your # and I’ll hook you up and let you know where the party’s at next week.” like it’s the most normal casual thing inthe world. She feels what you feel.
“I just thought that using the cold read there to AMOG was pretty cool.”
“Could easily be the summer’s first lay…but I mean….meh, idk, maybe hold out for something better.”
lol. You won’t regret that. You’re heading down a path where you’re going to do more than just “be able to get laid with shitty girls who let you fuck them”. What you’re doing is going to create a life where you can pick and choose the girls you ALLOW to fuck you. That’s why I’m not giving you shit like “dude you should’ve just stuck your dick in her!!! dumbass!!!!” Some guys, I’d recommend that for. But you’re a Thrill of the Hunt guy, you want the top shit (for whatever your reasons are, whether they’re deep like you deserve the best or shallow like you just want other guys to be jealous, fuck it, doesn’t matter). You don’t need to stick your dick in a 5. If you hit too long a dry spell and are just jonesin’, you CAN, but personally I’d rather get shot down by 9s and go home solo than bang an easy 5.
“Me: Ya you are. Sing YMCA.”
Setting a hoop/compliance test.
“7.5: (laughing) Okay, well…you have to do the YMCA signs”
Trying to set her own hoop. lol, this is what Mystery recommends doing. Guess where he backwards engineered it from.
“Me: I don’t have to do shit.”
Shitting on her hoop.
“Me: …. you guys look real stupid right now. (they laugh)”
lol. Self-amusement and emotional rollercoaster. Good stuff. You’re instantly more fun than half the guys they’ll talk to all night.
“Enter three tall, ripped, d00ds.”
“AMOG1: Who the fuck is this guy? Psh
AMOG2: Yeah, I’ll have a cranberry vodka, fool”
lol this is solid on their part. Some duo teamwork tooling shit.
“AMOG3 gets in my space, looking down at me trying to intimidate me…I still smile”
lol, just keep smiling, like it wouldn’t even enter into your head that there could be a fight. That’s not something that is even possible in your reality. Stronger frame wins. Most guys will square up when someone does this and that’s acknolwedging “I’m preparing for a possible fight” and surprise surprise they end up in a fight.
“AMOG3: Nice to meet you to, and uh….I’m, just a weeeee bit taller than you”
Doesn’t even really make sense, like what relevance is that. He’s just doing what girls who shit-test you do…when you won’t cave, they go for the jugular of what they think will be a sore spot for you and get to you, which for you is your height. A lot of short guys would get insecure/defensive at this.
“when I try to shake his hand again he does the thing where he runs his hand through his hair instead”
lol. Good AMOG on his part, as immature as it is.
“I used to have a secret handshake just like that in 10th grade — did you guys have secret handshakes?”
SOLLLLLLLID. Beautiful. This is similar to the classic “that’s a cool shirt bro, I had one like that in junior high” AMOG. You’re taking his tooling and turning it into something immature/silly, and then also turning it around onto the girls and ignoring the AMOGs, so it’s like he fed you the thing that allowed you to keep going on his girls lol This is SUPER frustrating to guys trying to get you away from their girls because they don’t know how to get rid of you because anything they throw at you, you turn into spiking their girls’ temperatures and getting more attraction…usually they’ll escalate to wanting to fight lol.
“(to the girls — one of them covers her mouth with a snicker, holy shit…am I….am I sort of winning this?….now the guy is visibly pissed)”
“AMOG3: ….yeah, well when was that…25 years ago?!”
lol. Aside from what a guy response this is, compare this to “Go get me a vodka cran, fool.” vodka cran was self-amusing and trying to force you to react to him. compare that to this, which is the guy reacting to YOU. Even if he’s insulting to you, girls don’t register that, what they register is that this little dude has her big tall studly guys reacting to him. Whoever reacts less has the higher value.
Here, if you tried to defend your age etc. that would be you reacting to him, so you would lose the value. The way to handle this comment would be ignoring it completely or agreeing and amplifying (telling the girl it’s wrong for them to be so into an older man, that you’ll need viagra to fuck them etc…this is again taking what the AMOGs give you and using it to attract the girls lol)
“but due to a total abundance of fagitude messed it up.”
That and he’s not in state. He’s like you after a long day of work and first entering the bar where you’re like “aw man I’m just out of it and not feeling sharp yet” so his shit is gay. Meanwhile you’re a few sets in and having fun and in state, so you can just plow over him. But you could get plowed over by another guy who rolls up totally in-state and fun (picture a Stiffler from American Pie walking into your set).
“AMOG3: …These are our girlfriends dude, step the fuck off.”
lol this is probably true. They approached way too confidently/assertive and assuming attraction too much to just be tooling a random guy for random girls. Also guys tend to react angrily like this, escalating the threat, when they realize they can’t tool you away AND when they notice their girl’s temp is spiking for you…like that’s when you become an actual threat and they have to step it up because they aren’t socially savvy enough or high-value enough, to keep their girl.
“7: No, no hey it’s okay…we were having fun, and…”
She likes you enough to defend you.
“Me: Nah, hey, I totally understand. It was nice meeting all of you. (I then make sure to shake all of the AMOG’s hands and just bounce)”
Good stuff. Ya you didn’t fuck her, and cue the guys who will be like “whatever man you suck I would’ve taken those girls and made those guys my bitch” lol Reality is you handled yourself solid and exited the set with some attraction from the girls and without the guys beating the shit out of you, and made the guys insecure and react to you (little Scray is a threat getting attraction from girls who “belong” to big tall studly dudes). Good stuff.
“7: Ya, there was a unicorn there, right?
7.5: Oh I’m sure there was, Yeah WE MET BY THE UNICORN (puts a hand on my shoulders) Remember? You were the gayest one there…
Me: …Oh hey that’s an okay story, I give it a 6 on a scale of 1-10″
Oooo, you’ve just run into girls who think they’re funnier and cooler than everyone else there. I bet they were hipsters lol. These girls are fun to me, because I can keep up, but this shit will blindside most guys. Then the girls go home alone high-fiving eachother about how boring all the guys were.
I knew a girl who went around the bar asking guys straight up “How fun are you on a scale of 1-10?” and when guys wouldn’t be too cocky and say 10 or ignore her test etc., she’d just walk away and was like “so I just spent the rest of the night alone because they were all boring”. She’s just full of herself and fucking around out of boredom. It takes a really in-your-face alpha guy to get these girls to settle down and chase…and it’s not necessarily worth the effort lol.
“Me: I’m from Venus — I guess they mixed us up. (I think it’s a good joke, but it’s a little too much in the moment and it sails over their heads)”
lol I got the joke. This is why I hate hitting on drunk girls, where they don’t get any of my witty shit.
“Me: Oh that’s why you make up stories…(to the 7.5) let me see your glasses
(7.5 smiles then complies)
Me: (impersonation of the 7) Oooh look at me, I make up stories about being on Mars, blah blah blah, I’m so smart I’m an Eng-rish major….”
This is solid. You’re not being phased by their retarded shit, and you’re kind of qualifying her like “ya, of course you’d make up silly shit, you’re an English major” as if you LIKE the thing that intimidates or annoys most guys. I’ll use stuff like this where a girl’s in my face while I hit on her friend and I’ll go “You’re very protective of your friends. I bet that annoys most of the guys she meets lol but those guys should just be more fun so you don’t have to keep shoo’ing them away to save your friend from boredom.”
Also the impression of her is awesome lol. Again self-amusement, and not something they’ve ever run into.
“7: Wow, be entertaining.
7.5: Ya, you were so much fun a minute or two ago.”
lol. There’s a lot to learn from interacting with this type of girl. You need a hella strong frame to handle them, and they will shit-test you relentlessly, and team up for it etc. It’s a good test of your frame/skills.
“I realize too late that this entire thing is just a ninja insane shit test of epic proportions”
Yep. But “Fuck you.” isn’t a bad response…it’s how you handle the aftermath that counts, and you handled it right by just acting as if it didn’t happen and switching gears. VS getting into a situation where they’re bitching you out for being rude and you’re qualifying yourself saying “sorry I had a long day and I’m cranky, I didn’t mean it” blah blah
“I’ve just come off as another yuk yuk queer giving them good vibes”
This is the tough part with this type of personality and part of why while I don’t MIND them, I generally bail on them because it’s not worth the effort to me. This is what they do tho, is make guys fall into their frame and dance for them. The solution, of course, is to shit all over their frames, but it’s a lot of work and usually these girls aren’t even that hot lol. Like I say I usually find this personality in the hipster/emo/indie/scene girls who are convinced they’re all Zooey Deschanel.
“Me: (smile, act as if it didn’t happen) Oh yeah, why an English major, why not Art, or biology, or whatever? (they snicker…)”
Boring. 90/10 rule. You’re looking for them to contribue and be logical etc. with you, but you’re not past the hook point yet so they don’t want to do that.
“7: Because I’m from Maaaaaaars….
(both of them giggle at one another…..I’m confused as phuck….)”
This is them going back to fucking around because your logical question started bringing their emotions back down to normal/bored. You want to go over the top, steamrolling them with emotional rollercoasters, all the way to the bedroom…VS pulling them down into comfort/rapport.
“At the next opportunity, I bail….and I immediately regret it. I need to learn to take myself more seriously, but also….I just vow that from now on I ain’t ejecting until I’ve tried everything possible”
lol I don’t blame you. This type of girl is a really particular type. Generally they’re not looking for hooking up with randoms anyway, they fuck the guys in some shitty band in their social circle because they think they’re too smart/clever for every random guy they meet. usually they have a SHITLOAD of beta orbiters that feed into this. In reality, they’re being socially retarded, and don’t know when to turn off the “I’m from Mars” shit and actually communicate with other people…but they will never ever view it that way.
“Me: Hey, don’t be rude…(I say this with a smile…she turns and gives me a dirty look, then turns away again)”
lol good stuff. Again this is that scolding her for being socially awkward. You’re not butthurt angry you’re just like legitimately “you are behaving weird, don’t be weird” as if no one has ever backturned you before and you can’t comprehend that someone wouldn’t want to meet you.
“7 yanks the menu away from me. hahahaha.
Me: (to the 5) your friend is something, huh?”
Good, this is like saying “Is she always like this?” When you can’t get to her directly, you go through her friends and get them to get her to fall in line with social pressure.
“7 whirls around, arms folded
7: Oh, do they just fall at your feet with all of that talk? Newsflash, I’m not like other girls….”
oooooooooooo I love this. I could fuck her off this. lol
“I can practically feel the emotions come off of her now….and I’m actually just flabbergasted. It feels like a window of opportunity just opened.”
Yep. This is the kind of girl I would end up in an “I fucking hate you.” “I fucking hate you TOO” back and forth right before we make out. The sex would be intense.
“Annnnnd….I just stand there, blinking…”
lol damn! Ah well, at least you didn’t leave when she backturned you at the start. You did almost turn this around.
“I felt really good about that set….because I feel like I could have turned it around. Something about what I did seems like the right way to do it.”
Yep. You held your frame. Most guys can’t do that with her. She’s like the girls who will just stand and stare at a guy in silence for the first minute when they approach her…she wants to see if he’ll cave and panic or if he’ll just hold his frame and be awesome. And she WANTS them to hold their frame because that’s attractive, but 99% of guys will falter.
You just didn’t take things forward once the window was open because it blindsided you that it even COULD open like that. Next time you’ll get further lol
“hard eye contact, a slight smirk, awesome body posture ‘you don’t tell me what to do.’”
“And so the great shit-test avalanche of 2013 began…I mean, we were STARING INTO ONE ANOTHER’S EYES during this entire exchange, keep in mind.”
Guys who don’t go out and approach won’t be able to relate to what you’re describing here, but I loooove these kinds of interactions. These are the most intense sexually charged interactions ever. This is the type of chemistry I screen for with girls…so when I run into one where we have this “back and forth”, I’m extremely attracted.
“Her: Oh I think I do, what are you 4’10″
“Me: 6’8, I’m just really far away”
Perfectly passing it.
“Her: I bet your dick’s really “far away” too (lol)”
lol awesome. A lot of guys would get butt-hurt by stuff like this, but it’s her way of seeing if you can keep up with her and go back-and-forth. She would get bored of you if you couldn’t handle this and laugh and come back at her.
“Me: Ya it’s like a wet baby carrot”
Perfect. This is an oldschool Tyler line, and I use it all the time. I have no idea why it gets the reaction it does, but every girl shits a brick at this. Maybho lol
“Her: (she snickers…) Ya my ex-boyfriend’s was huge…so we’re going to have a problem.”
More relentless shit-testing.
“Me: Thanks for the health report regarding your vag.”
Solid, not playing into her frame and tooling her playfully, and keeping the conversation sexual. These are the reports where people who don’t go out and can’t think on their feet etc. will think you’re just making shit up because it sounds like a movie script etc. But when you’re in the zone and you run into a girl with that type of chemistry, this stuff just flows. It’s a rush.
“Her: (another snicker…but she like, seems to be annoyed by the fact that she snickered….you have to see this shit to believe it)”
lol. She IS annoyed by it. This is where I’ll say stuff like “God it must piss you off how much you love me. It’s okay, I hate that I like you too. Not as much as you like me, obviously, because I’m better as human being in general, but you know, I’m willing to teach you how to be as awesome as I am” etc.
“Me: Oh gee, she likes me…”
Good. Calling her out on her accidental ioi, tells her you “get it” too, and aren’t butt-hurt like some guys would be. You’re basically sub-communicating with her…this is that thing where someone listening to your logical words would think you two hated eachother, but you’re having a totally separate dual conversation with your sub-communications. This should FEEL very different from other sets where you’re having a surface level interaction.
This is the stuff that’s hard to explain in text to guys who don’t go out, you have to see experience and feel this to get it.
“Her: (she shakes her head, still smiling) No, I don’t. Your watch is just douchey…”
She loves that you caught her out, and now she’s just saying illogical shit to keep shit-testing you because this is SUPER FUCKING FUN for her, because 99% of guys she meets can’t interact with her on this level.
Assuming her shit-test is a compliment. Good stuff. BUT, while you’ve been running awesome stuff here, this is where I’m gonna give you some advice, because I know these kinds of girls well because this is the kind I actively look for (there are no girls in my harem who I don’t have this kind of “I hate that I like you ” chemistry with, I actively screen for it).
On a personal note, before I got into pickup I actually thought I wanted a shy quiet submissive girl. It took me a few relationships and a meeting a lot of girls and hooking up etc. to learn that I actually get bored of those kinds of girls…I *NEED* a girl who can go back and forth with me and shit-test and we have that chemistry and cause a scene together where people around us are like “those two are crazy, one minute they sound like they hate eachother, now they’re fucking eachother on the pool table!!” My brain/emotions/etc. crave this kind of interaction. I had *NO* idea when I was an AFC, and if I had met and married a shy quiet submissive girl, I would’ve been bored with her down the road and not understood why I was so attracted to my secretary who’s all up in my grill etc. and ended up cheating.
Anyway, so here is where you start dropping the ball. You start letting her take the lead. “Thanks. ………..” Letting her lead, instead of “Thanks. I wear a shiny watch (doesn’t matter if it’s shiny) to distract ditzy girls at the bar. Careful, you’re falling into my trap. I’m glad you’re not one of those smart girls who would be too intelligent to fall for all my scheming.” (usually a girl will do her ditzy girl impression here and I’ll bust on it etc.)
But because you let her lead, she starts to kill things for you:
“Her:…and I don’t even know what you’re trying to accomplish here”
Not dead yet, but she’s trying to stomp out the little fire you started up, because she knows if she lets it get out of hand she’ll fuck you. This is why girls pull their friends away “to go to the bathroom” when you spike them out of control, because they know “omg I have to get her away from this guy and let her calm down or she’ll fuck him and we totally promised eachother we wouldn’t fuck any guys tonight!!” lol
That’s why she isn’t asking you about yourself, she’s trying to fuck you up and get you to do something where she can lower her temperature.
This is also partly because of her personality/vibe, where she’s roleplaying that she hates you.
The way to handle this is to keep steamrolling forward, assuming she loves you and you two will hook up. This can take some solid verbals, but you HAVE solid verbals.
Not TERRIBLE…..but again notice that you’re now in her frame and you’re letting her take the lead. Compare that to something like “Victory, of course. I’m like halfway into your pants right now. Quite frankly I think you should up your standards a little, you must not have had sex in MONTHS to want to jump my bones this quick. I understand, not many guys can put up with you, but you’re in luck tonight because I have low standards too. We’re perfect for eachother.” Something like that keeps taking the lead/frame and forces her to react to me.
“Her: Victory…..you? (like a dog with a fucking bone, man….)”
She won’t take it toward sex, but you’ve stopped taking it toward sex, so the interaction is going to die out.
“Me: …yeah (faltering)”
Again, letting her lead. Compare that to “I don’t know if it’s a “victory” per say yet…you might be shitty in bed. I bet you just lay there like a starfish. That’s what I read on the wall in the men’s room anyway. Of course I’m the one that wrote it.” Like again, I’m just plowing things forward and still keeping it sexual and still assuming we’re going to fuck and still forcing her to react to me because I’m in-your-face enough and just playfully offensive enough that she has to react. I am basically relentlessly pushing forward, like I recently wrote that I do with my txting.
“Her: Does this ever even work for you? (she’s getting to me, I’m getting fried here….I’m very confused — we haven’t broken eye contact)”
Intense, hey? The eye-contact thing is a huge part of this. Like, this is where there’s a bubble where no one else in the world exists. It’s just a spotlight on you two on a darkened stage. I love this shit.
“Me: Jesus christ….just be nice. (I avert my gaze a bit…..she laughs but, it’s not a good one. everything eases back to normal………”
Toast. lol. But MASSIVE props for being able to keep up with her for as long as you did. You did awesome, you just didn’t know where to take it because you probably haven’t run into this kind of interaction very much (a lot of your stuff is you self-amusing and tooling girls but them being deers in the headlights and not being able to keep up with you, let alone one-up you).
“I’m frustrated, I ask for the number a few minutes later….she ‘doesn’t give it out to anyone.’ :*(.”
lol…she DOES. Just not to YOU, because you faltered and didn’t lead the interaction toward the goal. The second you falter, she sniffs out who you are and was impressed but you don’t quite make the cut for her. It’s all good, in time you’ll eat girls like this (out) for breakfast.
This kind of thing is where the guys who are like “whatever man that pickup shit is gay you just go manhandle shit-faced girls who’d fuck ANYONE” are retarded. None of them would have a shot with a girl who tests like this, and she’s not shit-faced if she’s still witty like that. Like I say, I actively avoid drunk easy girls. But guys who don’t go out or are anti-game don’t get that.
“For whatever reason, interacting with hot girls — good bad, whatever — has started to fuel my confidence.”
Yep. Reference experience that you can interact with them and even if it doesn’t go well, the world won’t *END*, which is what most guys picture will happen if they dare say hello. So your brain is realizing “shit, this isn’t that big a deal.” This’ll enhance over your 30 day challenge, and it’s why I encourage you to go for the hot girls, because for you, as a short guy who will get bonus points for approaching girls you “shouldn’t” be able to get, and as a Thrill of the Hunt guy who needs hot girls to be satisfied…there’s no reason for you to be working your way up to hot girls. Jump right the fuck in there, because you will be able to handle it compared to a lot of guys. Even some of your tall good-looking alpha buddies can’t cold-approach the 7+s in the bar.
“with hot girls…especially after I do something bold or cool
‘how tall are you?’
‘too bad you’re so short’”
They’re shit-testing you because you’re confident now (in how smooth you sat down with them) and they want to see if that confidence is a paper-tiger front or if you’re legit and congruent thru and thru…so they go for the jugular, your height, and try to shit-test you on it to see how you react. They *WANT* you to NOT be phased by their tests…they’d DYING for you to be cool and confident enough to not get butt-hurt. Most guys will get butt-hurt and they go “aw man, another one of those guys…he seemed cool when he sat down all smooth, but that was just an act he’s not REALLY cool… ”
They wouldn’t shit-test you if they weren’t attracted…that’s why they do it after you do something bold/cool. They get an emotional attraction spike and then have to test to make sure they’re not getting attracted to a loser. If you were a smelly homeless person they wouldn’t say “too bad you’re short” they’d say “get the fuck out of here, SECURITY!!!!”
“I’m also, and this is still outside my reality, getting this:
‘oh how many girls have you said that to?’
‘…why can’t i look at the pics on your phone? Is it full of pics of you and other girls?! It is, isn’t it?!’
‘you’re such a player…I don’t go for that sort of thing (or some variation thereof)”
I smiled reading this. Welcome to Phase…I don’t know, 3 or some shit lol There’s no label for it but we all go through it. This is an indicator that you’re now starting to become congruent to what you’re portraying…ie – you are starting to “make it” after “faking it” long enough. Your sub-communications and attitudes and confidence and social skills are starting to click into place and align with the image of “a guy who gets laid a lot” and they’re picking up on it.
So they’re shit-testing you on it, but they’re shit-testing you because they get the vibe that you ARE that kind of guy and that you can handle this stuff, and that you interact with women like them all the time and have success with them and are a player etc.
Down the road this can cause you problems and you become too much of a player vibe and you have to start pulling back and adding more comfort/rapport and self-depreciation, but that’s way down the road so don’t worry about it yet. It might not even happen, but if it does, you know it because you’ll be going “fuck, girls don’t trust me!!!” and there are ways to fix that and again it’s a common phase lots of us went thru.
But ya, so this is a good sign. Could you imagine a girl saying “is it full of pics of you and other girls?! it is, isn’t it!!” to Old Scray? The Scray that wrote those first few field reports? That had a 6 backturn him on the dance floor and he shuffled off? The Scray that was invisible in groups and the little brother sad pity case of the group? Fuck no. You’re changing man, and I’m proud of ya ’cause you’ve earned it by putting in the hard work to get here.
Any guy in this comment section who doesn’t go out but wishes he was better at game, should be reading every fucking FR you put out and using them as inspiration to get off their ass and get out there and work on their skills and push themselves the way you have. The sad part is half of them are probably better looking, taller, richer, etc. than you, but they’ll still sit here reading your reports as you rock this stuff and tell themselves “well sure he can do it, but I couldn’t do that…that’s not ME…”
“Number closed a 7, was really vibing with a 7.5 (until Nightly offended her 5.5 friend by joking saying she was bipolar….or something, idk)….managed to reach social hook point with two Swedish chicks — one of which I’m pretty sure had to have been top 3 in that club (I’d say like a 9). Also got yelled/AMOG’d out of a table purchased by some middle eastern rich people when I went in there to talk ‘more privately’ with a 6…lol — she invited me! ….And she was engaged!”
lol…remember when you didn’t have any stories to tell? Well now you fucking do. You have stories that other guys will never have. The guys I used to work with would ask me for stories at the office every Monday because they were going home to their fat boring wives and their mundane life and they’d get to live vicariously through my adventures even if they made fun of me for it (“oh you’re such a bar star dude”) you could tell they loved it.
“My focus has been on being less jokey and more on attempts to emotionally connect with the girl, and to not let her get away with bullshit answers to actual questions — in a non-butthurt, light way. (quite the tightrope to walk…like, you just can’t read this shit in a book….)”
Good. Perfect. It’s the pendulum…you have to swing from “normal/boring” into “dancing monkey” territory and cross that line and experience it to then pull back a bit toward comfort/rapport and being a dominant authority non-dancing monkey, and then you’ll probably take that a bit too far too, and the pendulum will swing back and eventually you’ll figure out your sweet spot. It’s different for every guy…some guys do good futher on the dancing monkey side of things (picture a Stiffler type) and some guys do good futher on the serious/intense side (picture a Johnny Depp). You’ll figure out what works for you.
“Now, I’m reaching the social hookpoint in most of my sets.”
“I’m also doing a lot more kino.”
Good stuff! Here’s a quick vid for ya from RSD Todd about being decisive:
Like as you experiment with kino and being authoritative and being funny etc. I actually DON’T kino much, but I do it decisively…I don’t kino until she’s earned it and I have tight verbals so I can escalate sexually through my verbals (innuendo, sexual topics, etc.) and don’t need the kino till later on. Same time, I’ve experimented with going full kino right off the bat hardcore and that works too…it just comes down to not half-assing it, as Todd describes.
“I also think that shit tests are like….an opportunity to demonstrate different things.”
Yep. Like I say, pickup is about displaying your personality to her in the most efficient way possible. Whether that’s DHVs, social proof, teasing, etc. the main thing is expressing yourself and showing her who you congruently are. A shit-test is a chance to display your personality, so I love them.
She might say “You’re short” to 200 short guys. But you’re the ONLY one who will say “I’m 6’8″, I’m just far away.” without missing a beat. She might backturn 200 guys but you’re the only one who will say “Hey, don’t be rude.” That’s you, that’s Scray, being Scray and showing her who Scray is. She might say “You’re an asshole.” to 200 guys, but I’m the only one who will say “You’re just saying that because I’m staring at your tits.” She might say “You’re too old for me…” to 200 older guys but I’m the only one who will say “Don’t worry, I popped like 3 Viagras tonight.”
That’s me, demonstrating who I am to her.
Maybe she’ll like me, maybe she won’t, I can’t control that. But I can know that if she’s into me it’s because she’s into ME, and if she rejects me it’s because we weren’t right for eachother so no big deal, at least she rejected me for me and not because I put on the wrong facade trying to impress her.
Not every girl has to like me, that’s fine, but most of them will respect me for putting myself out there even if they don’t want to fuck me.
“I think when a girl shit tests me…I need to show that I’m dominant and won’t take shit because she perceives the opposite of that because of my stature.”
Yep. This comes back to tall vS short. A girl likes a tall guy because height is an easy indicator that “probably this guy is dominant, because he’s tall and used to dominating people around him”, even if that’s not ACTUALLY true of the guy. It’s like if you want a girl who’s good in bed, and you see a slutty looking girl in a short skirt with tits pushed up, you’d think “that girl is probably good in bed!” because it’s an easy indicator to go by, even tho it, again, might not actually be true of that girl.
So the reason girls go for tall guys is because their height indicates alpha traits like dominance, leadership, handling peacocking social pressure (since they always stand out), etc. So as a short girl, you want to demonstrate those same alpha traits, but you can’t do it through your height, you have to do it through your personality…so she shit-tests you and you dominate her and she goes “woah, I wasn’t expecting this guy to be a dominant alpha, he’s short!! Holy shit I stumbled on gold here!!”
“So……I’m going to try and start using the same jokes and whatever, but I’m going to try really hard to deliver them like Don Draper would. With an edge.”
All good, keep doing what you’re doing, and just add in a zero tolerance policy for bullshit, like you’ve been building up. Like “Don’t be rude.” and making fun when they won’t tell you their work, and scolding them with a “Fuck you.” when they try to get you be a dancing monkey, and “I’m not doing shit” when they get you to do YMCA and “you don’t order me around”, etc. but without being butt-hurt…just being stern and dominant and not taking bullshit.
At the same time, be able to go “HEY. Quit being retarded. (stern/dominant/breaking-rapport tonality) (she goes deer in the headlights like omg he got pissed woah!!) I bet you intimidate most guys hey? lol You seem like the type that would smack a guy around…and make him like it. (pulling back into happy land)”. That kind of thing is giving her a rollercoaster of emotions…she goes from fun to scared then to relieved then back to fun, etc. That’s making her feel /\/\/\/\/ instead of a flatline ——– of boredom like most guys talking about how good they are at painting and telling her she doesn’t have to answer if she doesn’t want to.
“I’m also, like I said before, not going to give up on any set easily.”
Good stuff. Plow that shit, burn it to the ground. It’s all reference experiences, and you’ll grow your skills FAST with that attitude compared to the guys who “prematurely ejectulate” and bail the second the girl isn’t 100% receptive to them.
Props again man, looking forward to reading about your 30 day challenge!
‘I bet they were hipsters lol.’
See. This is how I know you’ve actually been out there in the shit. I didn’t really say anything about them, but you already knew. As hipster as it got, for sure.
‘lol…she DOES. Just not to YOU,’
I KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. /brbslittingwrists
Seriously appreciate the breakdown, though. Thanks, I’m gonna start putting it to use tonight.
CH: Fucking beautiful comment to highlight. I just skimmed over it quickly in the original comment thread and didn’t realize it was so solid or I would’ve given the author massive props on it.
“and the first stage for people like you (…) is just a massive shit test from the world as it tells you to sit the fuck down and go back to being a loser, and you tell it to go home and fuck its mother.”
Goddamn right. This is why you have to hit rock-bottom before you can really throw yourself into game and change your life. Your day to day life and vision of your future has to be so painful and bleak that you will push thru this first stage because you are so dissatisfied with your life that you feel like you have no choice except to keep pushing forward even when it feels like the entire world is against you. Eventually you’ll break thru to the other side and realize that the world was just shit-testing you to make sure you REALLY wanted to turn your life around…and once you weather the storm and push thru, you’ll find the world gives in and starts accepting you and, in fact, HELPING you plow forward toward your goals.
If you look back at Scray’s first few Field Reports on here, you can see him go from being invisible and ignored (not DISLIKED, just insignificant), to being on people’s radar and getting tested and running into people trying to shove him back into his “proper” place…and in his FRs now, you can see how he’s overcome that and actually looks at “you shouldn’t be like that you should be how I tell you to be” as a CHALLENGE to take on and shit all over, in defiance of people’s arrogant expectation that he should allow other people to determine who he is or who he’s allowed to be.
luckypua – I’ll email ya this week, sorry! Swamped with work right now. Awesome work on the archive!
Scray – skimmed this latest FR, great stuff I’ll give it a breakdown soon as I can. Good luck on your 30 day challenge, props for giving it a go! There are side-benefits in doing it that you won’t expect but that I look forward to seeing you discover.