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Scray
on March 29, 2013 at 12:50 pm
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So, I’m back, and I have a huge FR I want to post, but here’s long story short: if anyone wants to learn about alphas/naturals/game…hang out with a group compromised mostly of them for like a week. It really changes you. It’s like tribal living.

Banged the hottest girl I’ve ever banged — like an 8-8.5, 5’9 (also tallest I guess lol). And, I’ll post more in-depth later, but…it’s a different feeling unlike anything else I’ve ever felt. Everything CH posts about female beauty is right. Like, before the bang I acted in a not-give-a-fuck way for several reasons, but once I got her, I collapsed into a heap of total beta behavior. I couldn’t help it. It was a new onslaught of emotions. Pure infatuation. Even now I’ll still kind of obsessed. I really feel like I just started living life in this last week. That’s how much of an effect beauty has on me. I never want to bang a non-hot girl ever again. Ever.


  • YaReally
    on March 29, 2013 at 7:05 pm
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    Awesome! Congrats dude! Can’t wait to read the FR! :)



Scray
on March 29, 2013 at 11:37 pm
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Let me repiece together the most salient parts of Jamaica —

So, we’re all going to a club there — heavily local, HUGE party. And soon, this local woman starts hanging on one of my friends. So, everyone else fans out and starts looking for girls to approach. While they’re off in the crowd, I’m just kind of hanging back with my friend and his girl. He’s digging it (Pleasure of Sex guy).

Suddenly, a Rihanna look-alike appears. She appears sort of turned off by Local5, who knows her, I guess they came together. Here’s where things get interesting. I observe Local5, and she just seems to be a straight gold-digger. Asking my friend to buy her drinks, blah blah blah. He’s doing it. I just -assume- the other one is the same way.

Rihanna8.5 just kind of stands there, chilling out by the bar. I go over and stand next to her, facing away from the crowd. For some reason, assuming that she was like…some sort of gold digger/hooker/object of sex for my amusement…just made me let go of all fucks to give. My attitude was ‘I’m not buying anything for anyone, I’m walking away the second it turns into that, but I’m gonna have fun.’ I can’t quite explain the feeling.

Me: So this is what you guys here call a good party?

Rihanna8.5: (Blinks, shrugs) Ya, I guess so.

Me: (turns, body still facing away) Well then you guys suck (smirk, eyebrow raise).

Rihanna8.5: I don’t usually come out, to be honest.

Me: Oh, because you hate fun?

Rihanna8.5: (slight laugh) No…No, I like fun, but…(indicates the crowd) it’s not usually that fun for me.

Me: I can tell that you’re not a good dancer, and that’s why you don’t like this party, eh?

Rihanna8.5: (tilts her head, silent; I hold eye contact, raise my eyebrow…remember when Mitt Romney gave Obama that look in the second debate, about Benghazi?

Like, at 15…but with a smirk…she laughs) No, I’m a good dancer.

Me: Prove it. (I LOVE saying this; I lead her to the dancefloor. She follows. I dance with her…she’s like 5 inches taller than me, but I just act like that’s fine. After about 5 minutes she just falls into it, dancing with me like I was any other guy, but then after awhile…when things start to get a little heavier, she abruptly goes back to the bar. I wait a few seconds, then kinda wander over)

You’re all right I guess.

Rihanna8.5: (looks away) Okay.

Me: Is something over there? (I stare over there exaggeratedly)

Rihanna8.5: (shakes her head a little) No…

Me: (Gets closer) If there’s a monster, I can go get him for you you know. But you have to come with me.

Rihanna8.5: (Looks over at me for a few seconds, rolls her eyes)

Me: Bitch don’t give me that look, you’re the one who’s seeing things!

Rihanna8.5: (She laughs)….oh, I don’t know…I just don’t want to be dancing with you.

Me: Yeah, I understand. What’s your name?

Rihanna8.5: Rihanna8.5, what’s yours?

Me: Scray. Let’s go talk, over there on the beach.

Rihanna8.5: (Takes one of those breaths, I just grab her hand and gesture with my head and lead her there…we sit in front of the water)

Me: I swear to Christ, if you’re like that other girl I’m going to be pissed off.

Rihanna8.5: What other girl?

Me: The one with my friend

Rihanna8.5: Oh…that’s my sister, she’s….

Me: Hmmm…what do you do? Gunfights, drug deals…

Rihanna8.5: No, but it’s embarrassing a little what I do.

Me: I’ll be the judge of that. Speak.

Rihanna8.5: I work at Burger King…right up the road.

Me: No shit, I work at McDonald’s….(smirk)

Rihanna8.5: (laughs) Oh really, mmmhmmm.

Me: What the FUCK is your problem? You’re already calling me a liar!

Rihanna8.5: (Laughing more) I don’t know. Maybe…

(I’m still holding her hand, and now I lean closer to talk, looking straight at her)

Me: You know…the water’s real nice.

Rihanna8.5: (doesn’t look away from me) Mmmmhm (kind of a knowing sound)

Me: … (just go for it, who cares, it’ll be good practice even if my assumptions turn out to be true) …do you want to kiss me?

Rihanna8.5: …mmm, I’m not sure…

Me: Let’s find out (stole that routine; kiss her, she’s into it…pushes back, and then she breaks it off. I open my eyes — I realize I’ve never kissed a girl this hot before, and I’m slowly starting to realize that my earlier assumptions aren’t accurate)

Rihanna8.5: (Sighing)…I just…I don’t do this, I don’t go out.

Me: Me neither, I’ve never even been with a girl. (Eye contact, make out again for a few minutes)

Rihanna8.5: (breaks it again) No, I’m serious. I’m not like that.

Me: (Raises an eyebrow) …I am.

Rihanna8.5: Mmmhm, I know

Me: Yeah, I lied to you earlier. Sorry about that…(more kissing; she breaks it off AGAIN…ugh, I always thought ASD wasn’t real, but maybe it is?!?!?!?! So, I downshift, and we just go back and hang out in the main party. I attempt comfort, but I have no idea how to do it…I’m just kinda C/Fing the entire time. Anyway, we all pile into our Van because we’re going to another party, and she sits on my lap…we’re making out on the way there, just in our own little world. Then, everyone gets out of the van to go to the party, we stay inside…she’s still on top of me…grinding)

You’re a sweet girl, I like that about you.

Rihanna8.5: (stares at me, cautious…maybe she can sense that what I just said right there is sort of bullshit, I just think she’s gorgeous and I’m just really into her and hoping to get into her. But I just hold eye contact, and I know I had to have had a dreamy smile on my face) I’m just never going to see you again.

Me: (I just do a little ‘peek-a-boo’ thing with my eyes) Here I am. (she laughs)

Rihanna8.5: I like the way you make me feel…

(I caress the side of her cheek, then wink…and then we’re off to the races. Have sex in the Van. Good, good times. Afterwards, she CLINGS to me, we’re breathing heavily — I for sure am)

So ya, we cuddle for awhile, then my friends get back we drop her off and go on our way.

However, this was only day 2 of the trip. Watch how I fucked this up…

Almost from the first make out, like…my emotions started really screwing me over. I’m surprised I was able to power through with any sort of alpha facade or ‘game’ until we had sex to be honest, because I know I had to be giving her goo goo eyes by the end of it.

I got her number, and she texted me the same night

‘I had a really good time with you, you’re so different than your friends’

Ya, so that’s when I decided I was in love *facepalms*
The next day I texted her several times. She responded to all of them. Just asking when we could meet up again. Casual.
Then, the next day, I called her, telling her how much I missed her. She says ‘I miss you A LOT.’ I follow that up with several texts…to very…. embarrassingly supplicating effect. We’re talking ‘I really connect with you’ to ‘you’re such a sweet girl’ to….blegh. I couldn’t help it.

Next day, arrange a meet. She STANDS ME UP. She claims a family member got into an auto wreck and needed stitches. Next day, finally…we meet up again. I just suggest we cuddle and watch a movie or something, and she’s fine with it.

So, naturally, one thing leads to another, but this time, when she pulls away from the makeout….do you know what I do? Promise her the world. I’ll give you money, I’ll take you to America, I’ll make you a princess, blah blah blah blah blah blah. Like…I don’t know what came over me (I mean, I walked over and opened my wallet for fuck’s sake). Well, I do. Beauty’s a helluva drug, and now that I know what it’s like to be with a hot woman? Sheeeeit.

She’s not interested in any of it. She’s insulted by the monetary offer. She ‘can’t trust’ me. She doesn’t want to have sex. And eventually, she goes home, because she’s getting tired.

So……yeah. Probably never going to see or hear from her again. And it hurts, but uh…gonna try to learn from the experience. At the very least, the story in the group was ‘Scray and Friend, a tale of two jamaican girls — a feminine, hot Rihanna look-like, and a disgusting, filthy whore.’ To which Friend is always ‘you’re damned right, yip yip!’

I’m honestly grateful for this experience. I’ve never felt this way before. I know why I feel this way — she’s very attractive. I really just want only hot girls from here on out. Eventually I’ll control this intense beta behavior, I’m sure.

—-

I saw several other girls to cold approach during my time there, but I dunno, I really had a lack of motivation. None of them were as hot as my girl. Like, I remember looking at these two girls and getting ready and then just kinda hanging back, overcome by this ‘I miss my girl’ feeling.

In Miami, a little 6.5 actually opened me (granted, she was there with another guy and up on him in there booth, but eh….she was up to something) by silently saying she had her eye on me…I was just fucking around on the dancefloor. I just nodded.

Other notes: I’d say out of the 5 other people I went with, 4 are to some degree naturals. The only other one (Besides ‘Friend’ and his whore) to get laid was Muscles. As you can guess, he’s just a Muscular, good-looking guy. But I noticed….he cold approaches. Now, he does it when he’s drunk, but that’s what I noticed that they all do. And they all use classic tactics.

The other Natural cold approaches by building social proof, then including sets in the conversation. Like, he’ll start a loud conversation with guys across the bar and keep the girls at the bar out. Then, eventually, he will GET AN OPINION out of the girls. When I watched this in action I was like…woooooooooooooooow. It’s all true. He did this repeatedly over the course of the weekend, and eventually, when we were coming back…he finally got a cute girl’s number.

Several times I saw Muscles come over to me with a frown…’what’s wrong’ ‘nothin…just strikin’ out man.’ Rejection is part of the game, no matter who you are.


  • YaReally
    on March 30, 2013 at 3:39 pm
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    Awesome. :D getting ready to head out for the night but I’ll come back to do a breakdown of this.

    You did good, focus on the win. Learn your lessons from the losses, then toss them aside and don’t dwell on them. You will lose a thousand amazing girls in your lifetime. Each one will have that bittersweet little tinge of “I’m grateful for the time we had, but it’s too bad it had to end”. It’s a job hazard of the lifestyle.

    The good news is that you’ve done it before and you can do it again. And the more you do it, the less it hurts to lose them because you realize that as amazing as they were, there are a lot of other amazing girls out there too, and you’re building the skillset to meet and seduce them and bring them into your life (and eventually learn how to keep them there). :)

    You ran solid game up to where you self-destructed lol but the first punch Mike Tyson ever threw probably knocked a dude out but was a sloppy-ass haymaker. Over time you’ll refine your skills and you’ll be able to handle these scenarios and you’ll have awesome little vacation-long romances and girls who travel to see you or want you to let them know when you’re in town again etc etc. it’ll feel like a fantasy adventure for both of you.

    Learning game is about excelling at once comfort zone, which thrusts you into the next stage that’s outside your comfort zone. You’ll fuck that up a bunch until it becomes your comfort zone and you excel at it, which will thrust you into the next stage that’s outside your comfort zone. This is simply the process, and it always kind of feels like chasing a shooting star and just barely grabbing its tail for a few moments longer than last time, before it slips out of your hands and you watch it go, revved up to try again with the next one.

    Congrats and I’m proud of you, but the reality is you earned that girl and that adventure because you stepped up and took control of your life. You put in the time/effort to start learning game, you risked the risks, endured the embarrassment, overcame your own ego to fix yourself, and you deserved that adventure. You should be proud of yourself for not giving up and being dedicated and motivated enough to change your life…you’ll find very few people around you, men or women, are willing to look at what “destiny” says they should be happy with, and go “no, that’s not good enough for me.” and start taking what they deserve in life.

    Welcome to the first day of the rest of your life. It only gets better from here. :)



The Unique Challenge Of Entitlement Whores (And The Four Types Of Girl Texts)

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YaReally
on March 20, 2013 at 3:35 pm
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holy fucking lol’ed so hard at the ice cream man video in CH’s twitter. Dude is a boss. That interaction has like a dozen little dynamics going on in their facial expressions and body-language. You can tell everything about their relationship and his alpha value from this like 10 second clip.

Beta guys with no game will think he was a jerk and got in trouble when he got home and he should buy her ice cream and apologize.

Red Pill guys know exactly how that guy’s night went. Lol


  • YaReally
    on March 20, 2013 at 3:43 pm
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    The 2nd pause they do, that facial expression and body language of like “bitch you HEARD me. Did you think I was joking?” is the one that you want to give when you tell a girl not to do something and she does it anyway to shit-test you. Lol.

    Love this clip, and I like that the announcer guys are focused entirely on her reactions and how she feels and how much trouble guy “know” they’re in when their woman looks at them like that etc. it’s a good demonstration of how socially conditioned brainwashing has most of the guys in society reacting to women and worried about appeasing women and not being “in the doghouse”. It wouldn’t even occur to them that that guy could have the mentality of “you said you didn’t want ice cream when I offered so too bad. Next time don’t be retarded. Okay you can have a bit now that you’ve learned your lesson.”

    It’s like watching a really small minor Soft Next in action. Beautiful.


    • Scray
      on March 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm
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      Hey is there any way you could break down my latest FR? I only ask because I’m leaving soon for spring break, so I’m not gonna get the chance to ‘sarge’ normally for two weeks, but I really want to make use of every bit of advice I can get to use at this tropical vacation spot.

      If you can’t break it down, like anything would be appreciated…some more videos that make whatever points you want to make…etc.


      • YaReally
        on March 20, 2013 at 4:29 pm
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        no prob I’ll check it out ASAP!

        Remember all those girls are at a vacation spot to get laid lol there’s sunshine and alcohol and shit back home, but there’s also boyfriends and judgemental friends/peers/co-workers, a lack of anonymity, consequences for their actions, etc. ;)


        • immoralgables
          on March 20, 2013 at 8:40 pm
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          @YaReally @Scray

          My bad for hijacking your guys thread but heads up I finished the 30 Day Challenge this past weekend. Scray, it’s easy if you live in a big city like me but you also mentioned you’re in college so I think it’s possible.

          It helped a lot. You won’t end up being a rockstar knee-deep in poon but you will definitely level up. I had a fuckton of mini-victories and epiphanies and highly suggest it. I laid my first cute girl (hb6.5) in less than 3 hours of facetime (met her out on a Monday and saw her again Tues night) but also got rejected a lot and was put in stressful situations this past month. The lay isn’t even a victory in my mind yet the way I handled myself in the stressful situations (bitchy girls, AMOGs, large crowds, etc, etc, etc!) was way more important to me.

          Do what you want Scray and no doubt you will get to where you want to go but consider a 30 Day Challenge, especially if you’re in college.

          Your guys back and forth on the Field Reports has been very informative and Scray, keep up the awesome work I remember your first comment months ago about the bewilderment you felt when the girl turned you down after you tried to come up from behind and grind her. Keep rocking on bro


          • Scray
            on March 20, 2013 at 8:44 pm
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            Ya, I live in a big city so that’s good. I’ll definitely give it a shot



Reader Mailbag: Goosing The Gunt

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Scray
on March 17, 2013 at 7:30 am
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FR — >

This stuff is getting easier. I’m realizing that, actually, if you pull away from people…it’s really not that bad. It’s pretty liberating. I had a lot of assignments and work shit due this week, so I actually didn’t get a ton of social circle time in.

Let’s look at this interaction:
Me: Blah blah blah, what are you doing after class?
Cute7: Probably going home, why?
Me: Me and some buddies hang on the weekends, you and your bf should tag along some time. (Goddammit, why include her bf? Bad move?)
C7: Oh, ya I’m down…theoretically.
Me: …okay, so please talk to me in English, rather than nonsense.
C7: (laughs) Well, I mean, I just don’t have much time at all. I’m in grad school, have a job…
Me: (blinks) I’m in grad school and have a job…we have sooo much in common
C7: Well I just got a lil pet too!
Me: Cool man, so when we hanging out — after class, after school, the weekend
C7: Well, like…even all my best friends are mad at me because I never go out anymore and
Me:…like now, you wanna hang out now? I’m actually…now isn’t really a good time for me, we can if you insist, but you’re being kind of pushy about it
C7: (laughs) I just am so busy…all I do is watch my pet on a camera that feeds into this website, see, look
Me: (I look at it, then look at her, then look at it, then look at it her…then I just leave the room)
Me: (I come back and sit down wordlessly like 10 minutes later)
C7: So did I upset you so much that you left?
Me: I just had to accept the fact that I’m in love with a complete dork.
C7: Oh whatever! Lots of people want to hang out with me, my best friends included! You have to get in line
Me: Listen, you get in line…on the fun text list
C7: (she seems confused by what this is…class starts)
Me: I’m saying give me your number, but…well, I have this social anxiety disorder called dickoutbangbitches….it’s like Asberger’s, but it’s Assbangers.
C7: (Hits me) Stop it, you’re going to break my concentration!
Me: It’s just a coincidence that it’s ‘ass’ bangers though. I’m not into that, it’s disgusting……horrible…..so are you into that (she looks over at me, and I waggle my eyebrows) cause I’m tooooootaallllly into that
C7 (she looks away again, I say to myself to cool it because otherwise I’m just a dancing monkey, so phuck it. So she messages me to send fun texts to a number — not hers — and then she messages me her number, then she says if they’re not funny she’s just going to delete them. I don’t respond to her, instead…I just start texting on my phone. After a minute she gets curious and tilts over the phone to look at the text i sent to the first number. She laughs, but I actually don’t even really acknowledge her doing it. The rest of the time, I just kinda….chill)

Have no clue. I feel like I’m dropping the ball on this one, even though I got the number. Have yet to text her. Although, the number I sent the weird text to responded…had a funny back and forth. I’m thinking it could be her bf, or just some one of her friends (I have no idea…it’s actually kind of funny).
—-

Thursday: Nightly can’t come out. I go out alone. I stay for an hour. And guess what I do? JACK GODDAMNED SHIT. Wow. That’s never happened before. The three second rule is so crucial. Almost every really hot girl that I -should have- talked could have been opened, but in that short window of time (like they were walking past, I was walking through and passed them, blah blah blah). I see some people I know/they see me…I say hi, but I leave pretty soon. Phuck.

Friday: Me and Nightly hit up our favorite section of town for cold approaching. We get there earlier — like 1030. Of course, Nightly sees a group of people he knows and we go to a little diner with their group. Suddenly, it dawns on me that I am not restricted to trying to make inroads with all of these people I don’t know. So, while Nightly just talks to them, I just leave and start my night.

For some reason, I’m aching to just go direct with my game. I have no idea why. Maybe it’s the extra testosterone from the gym. Who can say?

I came ready tonight, and really…I resolve that if I’m opening normal girls, that I’ll mostly use indirect game. But, since Ya wants me to go open hot girls…I’ll open them direct more, because I -need- to learn how to not freeze up around them and just be a confident MF.

As the days pass by, I also realize that I must learn to open mixed sets.
Three girls sitting on a rounded bench — three 7′s, too good of a spot to pass up. I walk past — not the best angle, but here we go. That’s right, over the back — still facing away.

Me: Hey, I just came over here because you’re kind of cute (points to the middle one), and I wanted to see if you’re cool.

Her: (taken aback) Wait…if I’m what?

Me: (Sure to blink, look around as if ADHD) Are you cool?

Her: Oh……..yeah, but I have a boyfriend, and —

Me: (Smiles at her friend) Hey, is she cool?

Her: (laughs and rolls her eyes) All three of us are in serious relationships.

Me: Haha, all right, later.

Do they really have bf’s? Does it matter? That rolls around in my mind for a few seconds.

Next set,
7, 5, Guy1, and Guy2, and 6. Tougher. They’re all sitting down. Nightly arrives just as I’m leaving the bar and approaching. Like, probably my second serious mixed set open.

Walk past their table, pause, at an angle to the 7, who’s sitting down.

Me: (gesturing to both the guys) Hey, girl in the black, are either of these guys your boyfriend?

7: (blinks) Wait what?

Me: These dudes — you with ‘em?

7: Uhhh….no

Me: Cool, you’re kind of cute and I want to see if you’re cool. Are you cool?

7: Well, I actually have a boyfriend though

6 (leans in to talk to her friend) Ha, yeah you’re just ‘kind of’ cute

7: Yeah, ‘kind of’

Me: (smirk, shrug) Your friend have a boyfriend too?

5: (gestures to Guy2)

Now, mentally my first reaction is ‘oh shit I just look terrible.’ But then I just kinda think back to the RSD video. It’s really just as simple as ‘Relax. I’m awesome.’ I’m not saying I can channel it yet, but I just kind of stand there with a smirk, then start to rock away.

Guy1: I have a boyfriend too

They all laugh at this. However, I’m finally able to do something sort of right — it doesn’t affect me at all. Like, who is this tool? He’s not dating any of the girls here, so what, he’s gonna try and bust on me. What has he gone through? Jack shit.

Me: Ya, I know — it’s the beard dude. You really rock it though, sexy as fuck! (Said in a jokey self-amusing way; the 6 laughs at this; the guy and his friend are butthurt. Hahaha, that’s right)

Guy1 — UHHH….well…uhhh….UHHHH

Aka …. real life proof that guys who get tooled IRL will not hit you or start a fight. I leave — no goodbye — after this.

Another direct set: 2 6′s with a 4 and some dude

Me: Hey glasses girl, I came over here cause you’re cute, are you cool?

(I notice that people are just blindsided by this approach at first, but their initial reaction is just this intense ‘are you for real?’ hard not to buckle)

Her: Am I cool? yeah

Me: Nice, blah blah blah

Her friend: Well we’re here with our boyfriends, and here they are now.

(Literally two dudes approach and they’re gone…)

I’m pumped now. Something about going direct just makes me feel like a boss. I mean, it can’t hurt to experiment, but I know that Ya advises against it. But check -this- out

I walk past an 8 sitting there on the phone, fresh off that last set. I’m into her look, her vibe. -Attracted- For some reason, even though I got rejected after the last set, I’m in it to win it now. I walk past her, pretend to do a double-take

Me: Hey, girl on the phone

8: (Looks up)

Me: I came over here because you’re cute, and I wanna know if you’re cool

8: (Blinks, starts to laugh) Well…wait, I’m cool but I…

Me: What, you here with some guy?

8: Yeah, actually

Me: Your boyfriend?

8: Well, we date…so…I mean…does that…

Me: So would it just destroy his fucking mind if I were here talking to you right now

8: (Blink blink laugh) Well, I – -

Me: (gesturing to guy next to her on seat) Hey you know this girl? HEY GUY?!

Guy: Huh, no?

Me: Hey check this shit out? She’s dating some guy and would it be strange if I talked to her?

Guy: W – -

Me: No, right? You’re a good guy, I like that about you, and your shirt. nice fucking shit

Her: (bewildered, laughing, no paying attention to her phone at all)

Me: Now listen, I’m only gonna ask one more time — are you cool or not?

Her: (staring up at me, nodding her head with a grin) Yeah!

Me: Oh really, we’ll see about the shit…you gonna take the cool challenge?

Her: Yeah! Let’s do it

Me: It’s three fucking questions (sits down in the booth with her) Movie you hate, band you hate, color you hate, and a movie you love

Her: (Laughing again, this is a new laugh for me. This is like, ‘wtf is happening, I am short-circuiting’) Okay, well…movie I hate? Wow I – -

Me: (Looking around the room, then back to her) OMG it’s a simple question, are you COOL OR NOT?

Her: I’m cool! Just give it a second!

Me: (leans back, raises hands as if to say ‘give her some space’ she laughs — same kind of laugh — she LEANS FORWARD TO WHERE HER SHOULDER IS LIKE AN INCH AWAY FROM MINE)

Her: (blah blah answers the questions, I forgot her answers lol I wasn’t listening)….and by the way (taps me on the shoulder while still leaning) those were 4 questions, so you lose

Me: Smart girl (grins) and that’s how I know you’re cool

Her: (laughs — she’s into it, just trust me)

Me: So what’s your name?

Her: Angelica

Me: That’s an interesting name, interesting

Her: (nodding along with me and laughing)

Me: I mean, I don’t think I have an ex named that, so…..yeah, you’d be an original

Her: Hahahahaah…what’s your name?

Me: (is this happening wtf is this actually happening) Guess!

Her: (makes a thoughtful noise) Hmmmm…………..George

Me: HOLY SHIT, WOW YOU ARE SO AMAZING! LIKE THE KNIGHT YAAAAAAAAAAAA

Her: Hahahaha you’re so full of shit!

Me: You’re like a fucking psychic…

– - (I’m about to tell her my actual name when I notice her look past me fast, and I actually talk a bit more but then I just glance behind….o shit, there’s a dude there. O ya she was on a date)

Dude: Sup man. (Tries to tool me almost instantly by gesturing for me to scoot closer. Game on then)

Me: Ya? Thanks bro. You guys dating?

(He looks at her, she looks at him)

Me: Simple question (turns to girl)

Him: (trying to tool again) Well if your game is strong, go for it

Me: Thanks bro, give me pointers, whisper in my ear. (he laughs I turn to the girl; am I really fucking going to try this. It’s funny, doing this shit just like spikes my confidence through the roof)

So anyway, me and you are on a date at my house right…..who makes the popcorn, and what are we watching?

Her: (She’s shocked again, laughing…I notice that her body language is different now, her legs crossed, she’s facing away from me. Goddammit….fucking shit cock ass bitch lick…) Well, I dunno….blah blah blah (I don’t remember what she said, because all of a sudden the guy stands up — he’s like 6’2 lol)

Him: All right bro you have to leave

Me: Oh what, already? (Shit…I’m sunk, but fuck it…go out in a blaze of glory…turn to her)

I trust you share that opinion, Angelica?

Her: (hesitating but slowly nodding)

Me: It appears as though our time together has drawn to a close. But I’ll always remember — well probably, right? (smirk)

Her: (she’s fucking loving it)

Him: Ya, cool just leave.

(I get up)

Me: Aww hey man, don’t be like that. Hey, c’mere…
(I open my arms as if to give him a hug — he’s PISSED — but I hug him anyway, then on the way out I wink at the girl and give her the ‘call me’ sign. Unfortunately like a RETARD I didn’t ask for her number ever goddammit, fucking shit cock ass bitch UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH)


Next set, 7 and 8 together near the outskirts of the dancefloor. My state and confidence are out of control.

Me: Hey, you’re cute, but are you cool

7: I’m really cool, what about you

Me: (turns to the 8) Hey your friend is kind of pushy. Is she cool?

7: What the fuck?

Me: (Laughing at her) What, I’m getting to know you, don’t be such a bitch about it

7: I told you, I’m cool!

Me: Mmmmm, I see…well if you’re cool — make out with her (flicks chin to the 8)

(they actually do it…I almost shit my pants…)

8: Happy?

Me: Uhhh (DEEEEEEEEEERP)…..so how often you guys do that?

7: Pretty often, considering we’re together and only swing one way.

Me:….(laughing) You sneaky fucking bitches!

(both of them start to laugh)

Me: Here I am, thinking I’ve just developed the world’s best superpower. You guys, you fucking guys…. (leaves)

Another set, two tall modelish looking girls — tall and thin. I say they were like 6.5-7′s but Nightly swears up and down they were hotter. Me, going direct

I fuck up tho

Me: Hey you guys here with your boyfriends? (grin)
Both of them: Ya, here they are actually (swoop here come those bfs — arms around them at the waist and everything)

Well shit…again.

O ya, just to get another set in I opened this 5 with an opinion opener, but she was real closed off about it so I just back turned her and talked with a few guys about it for a few seconds.

That was my last set of the night

Saturday:

I’m ready to get to it. We get there a little late, but because it’s a popping night plenty of talent is still around.

first set of the night, indirect — Chubby4 and a 5; I do the ‘best friend died’ opener. I blow through my stack blah blah blah 5 runs things, 4 doesn’t. 3 minutes go by and I run out of things to say, and they’re both looking at me like ‘so yeah…’ And then, one tries to shake my hand with her left like a cunty cunt…so I just pat her on the shoulder instead. This bitch acts like she’s CREEPED out by me patting her on the shoulder. I LAUGH IN HER FAT FUCKING FACE AND WALK AWAY. Like, I legit start laughing out of nowhere, not mad about it at all in anyway.

I see a 7 across the bar, rolling into it. I go over there direct, 45 degree and shit

Me: Hey I came over here because you’re cute, but are you cool?

Her: Wait what?

Me: (ADHD) You’re cute, but are you cool, easy question (smile)

Her: Oh, yeah I’m cool!

Me: Really? We – -

Somedude: (Shakes my hand) Hey man what’s up…we’re together.

Me: (makes a fart noise with my mouth and leaves) (lol how did I not notice him sitting so close to her?!?!?!?!)

I’m trying to keep up with Nightly. Usually I’m ahead, but tonight he’s running good because girls are opening him.

So, I go over to another mixed set at the bar. I get my water, while not looking at the set size them up.

Guy 1, Hatgirl7.5, 5.5, 5.5-6, Guy2….Here we go

Me: Hey, girl in the hat you’re kind of cute…but I’m talking to you because I want to know if you’re cool? (My body language is all fucked up, the way that group just looked at me threw me off…but hey, I interrupted them after all)

Hatgirl7.5: Oh…yeah, I’m cool.

Me: Oh yeah, is she cool? (Asked to her friends)

Friends: Ya, ya, ya, ya

Me: (to her) Okay, so it’s three questions….so – -

Guy1 (ponytail, much taller than me actually steps forward between me and her, talking to the other guy…at first I want to be like ‘hey could you move?’ Instead…fuck it, I just actually walk into the group sort of place him to the side, of course responds by putting his hand on my back and situating me right by the girl) There you go man (Ahhh….well-played dickhead)

Me: Thanks bro

Hatgirl7.5 (doing her best to look creeped out…ahh shit. Well fuck it, now I’m in the middle of this fucking group in a horrible spot because Guy1 threw me into the lion’s den)

Me: 3 questions routine….blah blah

Hatgirl7.5: Starts naming movies….blah blah blah

Me: Oh okay, ya that’s acceptable…

Hatgirl7.5: (her body language is irritating me; she’s getting to me. mainly because she’s shifting around and widening her eyes like a dramatic cunt, like it’s just sooooooo creepy to talk to someone. Fuck, I’m losing this non-reactive frame)

Me: (well fuck it man) You seem nervous, are you nervous? (trying to remain like a rock and smirk)

Hatgirl7.5: Nah, I’m fine. You seem nervous.

Me; (I know she’s right which makes it harder not to react; ugggggh, this is gonna be PAINFUL) I’m nervous? What? Well, maybe a little…you get hopeful, trying to figure out if people are cool. (EAT A DICK SCRAY YOU PIECE OF SHIT I HATE YOU AND THE THINGS YOU SAY….switch it up, maybe I can get her friends to tool on her)

Me: So how do you guys know one another? (asked to friends)

Hatgirl7.5: We’ve known each other for years

Me: (doesn’t look at Hatgirl, looks at 5.5) Ya you guys went to college together or something?

(These girls act deaf dumb and blind, like duuuurf no we don’t go to college)

5.5: We just live together

Me: Oh you decided to live together one day….what’s your names?

5.5: Michelle

5.5-6: Brenda

Hatgirl: Kristina

Me: Michelle good, Brenda…hmm, I’m not sure…

5.5-6 seems legit offended by this “you’re not sure, what do you mean?”

Me: (I shrug) Just not sure about it…y’know?

5.5-6: Do you -want- to make a good impression?

Me: Sometimes people don’t have names that fit them, not really a big deal (smiles)

5.5 nods her head. All right, this sucks, I eject without saying a single word.

Next set:

Three girls, two of them were uggos, but one was a solid, petite 7. Coolman.

Me: Hey girl with the curly hair –(Direct opener)

Her: Yeah I’m cool

Me: You taking the cool challenge

Her: No

Me: (I really want to come up with something awesome to say here…like, this is a social tension moment, and defusing these moments like a boss is probably the heart of DG…for now I just smirk and say something shitty) Oh, does that mean you want me to leave?

Her: (she kinda laughs and looks up)

Me: Well miss, I take my leave then (rolls hands in a weird silly gesture)

Nightly opens a set of 3 8′s. Well played. I come in and have the burden of entertaining two 8′s. One of the 8′s is a short, greek-looking girl that I’m pretty into. She’s got a funky Jets hat on.

I’ll cut to it — like, in these situs, if a girl shows any modicum of willingness to talk, I’m getting pretty good at chewing the fat; blah blah blah you do this, blah blah blah you’re the this one between you two, blah blah blah

as example, while Nightly occupies Hipster 8, I talk to Italy8 and Asian8

Me: Ya, okay I’m gonna guess what you guys do.

Italy8: Okay

Me: Asian8 is a chiropractor and you’re her little assitant

Asian8: What?!

Me: (turns to Italy8) Just fuckin look at her, she looks like she breaks backs for a living

Italy8 (laughs and shakes her head gives me a high five in front of her friend; Asian8 kinda stood there with this look on her face…i just think her personality was low-key, but you know, me and Italy8 were tooling her about it)….hey, wait why am I the assistant motherfucker?!

Me: Cause look at you, you prolly bench like 225 (she’s pretty little)

Blah blah blah

Italy8: Well what do you do?
Me: I work at Mcdonald’s
Italy8: Pssssh….are you full of shit?
Me: I haven’t checked in a few hours
Italy8: Oh fuck you, are you fucking with me right now!
Me: (shrug)
Italy8: Well, you gotta make at least as much as me
Me: I’m a manager — don’t you worry, you’ll get all the hamburgers for free.

….
blah blah blah blah but then they always leave. In this case Nightly’s girl whipped out her phone on him and then they all left. But I mean, I’m noticing this. Maybe it’s dancing monkey shit. Like, I actually feel like it’s something along the lines of ‘well fucking make a move of some kind.’ I think I have to start throwing in more qualification.

Like, I think I’m just so blind to any thought of building attraction that I’m ignoring when I have built attraction and need to move forward. We’ll see. Anyway, those bitches left.

I open another set…
a 5 and a 6.
Direct opener, she stays around for the cool test, but I actually cut her off when she’s first giving the answer to introduce myself to all her friends, then I cut her off again to talk about the band playing. I dunno, I never felt any strong interest from her…
The takeaway from this set though is that whenever you open the girl first with direct intention, all the guys seem to do whatever they can to fuck up your shit.

We roam some more. We see those three girls again, but Nightly doesn’t want to re-open. Nightly opens some uggos — 4 and a 5. We stay and talk with them, wow things are going good. Who gives a baker’s fuck. We get out of there.

Another set —

Approach a 6.5 and a 6 leaning against the wall as I’m walking past

Me: (paused for a second when both look at me, fuck fuck fuck…) This is kind of weird (UGH)………but you’re cute, and I just wanted to see if you’re cool (when this goes bad, it goes terrible…like my chest is tight, my body language is a piece of shit)

Her: WHAT? If I’m cool? Huh. Yeah, I’m cool.

Me: Oh….so can I get to know why you’re cool? (Malfunction junction)

Her: (giving me a look, as her arms are folded) No.

Me: What about your friend? Is she cool?

6: Oh uhh, I don’t know…I mean –

Me: Not cool (leaves)

Indirect opener on two bitches who said they were both married within like 2 minutes, they weren’t that 5 and a 5.5…leaves.

Indirect opener on girls in the street as they’re walking by. They seemed agitated by it. :D

———————

I dunno. I dig it. I really like going direct, if only because you just get thrown in there with the shit. Like, you have to be such a solid motherfucker. That’s the kind of person I want to be, though. Just going out makes me feel more confident — no guys do this. The illusion is gone. For all the shit they talk, and whatever they say, like…0.0000003% does this. Even Nightly has never gone out alone. I feel like if I can just blindside people with that kind of confidence it -WILL- completely destroy their expectations. Like, just develop a blitzkrieg. I’m getting thinner, getting more muscular (finally seein some legit visible gains). Winging is also a lot of fun, so I get a lot of practice with that.

But I mean…the cool thing is doing this with someone else so that you can see you’re improving, like after that set with the 8 Nightly’s like:
“I saw that….I’ve always just stuck to indirect game, but uh…I mean I saw that set and the Field doesn’t lie…I see it within you, that was really cool, just like the other night…the game is strong with this one.”

Or Saturday:
“Dude, have you noticed that whenever we go out and game chicks, guys are starting to stare at us?”
“No.”
“Yeah. Yesterday, when you were gaming that one chick, the guy across from you was watching…like, he looked amazed. And today, when were talking to those three hot chicks, I noticed these chodes looking at us in awe.”


  • YaReally
    on March 21, 2013 at 1:18 am
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    @Scray

    Excellent, let’s break this down:

    “This stuff is getting easier.”

    Tyler’s first big breakthru with pickup was that “this is something you can actually practice and get BETTER at”. Like that it’s not a “you either have it or you don’t” situation like most of society believes and tries to brainwash you into believing. :)

    “I’m realizing that, actually, if you pull away from people…it’s really not that bad. It’s pretty liberating.”

    Yup. Pickup will teach you a ton of independence. A lot of people (not just women, men too) live very dependent lives…they depend on other people, other people’s validation, society’s acceptance, etc. etc. Pickup teaches you “You know what, some people aren’t going to like me or approve of what I’m doing…and that’s okay. Not everyone has to like me, that doesn’t change who I am as a person which is a pretty decent guy.”

    “Me: Me and some buddies hang on the weekends, you and your bf should tag along some time. (Goddammit, why include her bf? Bad move?)”

    lol. Ya, no reason to include the BF, you just choked for a sec. If the BF is relevant, she’ll bring him up. Unless like, you know him and you’re buddies with him, that’s different.

    “Me: …okay, so please talk to me in English, rather than nonsense.”

    lol. I always like when you do this kind of thing, calling them out on acting retarded in a self-amusing way. They like it too.

    “Me: Cool man, so when we hanging out — after class, after school, the weekend”

    Good. Notice that nothing she’s been saying is a “No.” It’s just bullshit excuses and logistics issues. This is the same as Last Minute Resistance in the bedroom where she’ll say “we shouldn’t, my friend would hate me…” or “omg I can’t believe I’m doing this…” where she’s saying “I have these issues that I need you to handle for me so I can do this” instead of actually saying “No.”

    Also, this is an IOI, because she’s not saying “no” or walking away.

    “Me:…like now, you wanna hang out now? I’m actually…now isn’t really a good time for me, we can if you insist, but you’re being kind of pushy about it”

    lol good stuff with the pretending she’s the one asking you. I use that kind of thing a LOT. Like I’ll take the conversation somewhere sexual and then pull back and say “god look where you’ve taken our conversation, would you QUIT talking about SEX all the time?!” It forces them to react to you and get all “OMG!! that was YOU!!” and all of that is good shit in terms of gina-tingles.

    “Me: (I look at it, then look at her, then look at it, then look at it her…then I just leave the room)”

    lol’ed hard at this. I had a “wtf??” expression on my face just from READING about the pet camera website. Chick is fuckin’ nuts.

    “C7: So did I upset you so much that you left?”

    For the record this is another IOI. It often happens when you back-turn girls too, and they grab you to turn you around to re-open you.

    If you were a homeless man asking for change and she said no and then you walked away and came back, would she re-open and say “So were you mad that blah blah”? No, she’d be thankful she escaped the conversation/interaction, not try to resume it.

    “Me: I just had to accept the fact that I’m in love with a complete dork.”

    lol good stuff. Now you have intent and can’t be friend-zoned. She knows you’re not just inviting her as a “buddy”, even if you’re not overtly sexual you’re keeping from being put in the asexual friend-zone and doing it in a fun non-offensive way.

    Does she ACTUALLY think you’re in love with her? No, of course not. But you’re planting seeds and laying a framework that avoids “surprise, I have a penis!” game down the road.

    “C7: Oh whatever! Lots of people want to hang out with me, my best friends included! You have to get in line”

    Qualifying herself to you. Also an IOI because she didn’t shoot you down on the “love” comment (like “Sorry, you can’t love me, I have a BF.”). Far as I’m concerned this is a green-light situ now. Whether you DO manage to fuck her or not, this is the point in an interaction where I would be thinking “okay, if I play this right, I can fuck her”.

    I point out these moments so you can kind of get a reference for how my mind (and my Natural buddies’ etc.) works during an interaction. I’m just always picking up the little signals and collecting them and building a “case file” for “okay, she’s attracted” lol

    How small these signals are is a big part of why so many guys are clueless when girls like them. They’re waiting for one big huge signal like in the movies, but the reality is most of the time it’s just tiny little signals…sometimes it’s even just the LACK of a NEGATIVE signal (ie – the default assumption is positive).

    “Me: I’m saying give me your number, but…well, I have this social anxiety disorder called dickoutbangbitches….it’s like Asberger’s, but it’s Assbangers.”

    lol you’re insane. But this is self-amusing to you so fuck it, it’s fine. Part of why routines can fuck a lot of socially awkward guys up is that they’ll read shit like that and in their Aspergery mind they go “oh, okay, so the secret is to tell girls dickoutbangbitches” and they run around saying it because they think it’s a magic pill…when in reality it’s the self-amusing intent behind it that makes the difference in her response.

    “C7: (Hits me) Stop it, you’re going to break my concentration!”

    A good “you’re an asshole” type hit, I assume. And also a shit-test/compliance-test/hoop for you to jump through: “stop it”. Your response?

    “Me: It’s just a coincidence that it’s ‘ass’ bangers though. I’m not into that, it’s disgusting……horrible…..so are you into that (she looks over at me, and I waggle my eyebrows) cause I’m tooooootaallllly into that”

    Shit-test passed, by ignoring her hoop and not apologizing for what you were doing and amplifying it self-amusingly.

    And then extra points for escalating it by asking her opinions on anal lol This is all stuff that makes her see you as not friend-zone material…compared to the asexual type guys who would be talking to her about the weather.

    “So she messages me to send fun texts to a number — not hers —”

    In these situs (believe it or not this has happened to me lol) I just try to flirt with whoever the txts are to. I don’t even care if it’s a dude, I’m just fucking around. That person is irrellevant to my getting the lay, the way I’m handling it in front of the girl (laughing it off and escalating things and being sexual, not caring about offending whoever she has me txting, etc.) is more important.

    I also like to txt “C7 says you’re ugly and a bitch.” and make sure C7 knows that’s what I sent. Make her react/scramble. :)

    “and then she messages me her number, then she says if they’re not funny she’s just going to delete them.”

    Shit-test/compliance-test/hoop, obviously.

    There’s a lot you COULD text and even not txting isn’t a terrible move. But ya, she put you in Check on the chessboard with this one. How do we handle a command from a girl though? Generally either ignore it and do the complete opposite (txt her obviously purposely boring txts like “so how about this weather we’re having…” and shit) or agree & amplify (sending her completely ridiculous shit like funny kitten pictures off the internet and pictures of clowns and shit “what? you said they had to be funny. fuck you’re high-maintenance. you probably expect me to do all the work in bed while you lay there like a starfish too.”).

    “I feel like I’m dropping the ball on this one, even though I got the number.”

    I feel like I’m dropping the ball on this one, even though my dick is currently inside her pussy, I had to log on and see what you guys think…does she like me? Wait, she’s asking me to finish on her face, is that an ioi?
    ;)

    “Although, the number I sent the weird text to responded…had a funny back and forth. I’m thinking it could be her bf, or just some one of her friends”

    99% chance it’s her friend, not her BF. Girls generally don’t want guys to txt their BF if there’s any possibility they may end up banging them. Odds are she’s told her friend you were saying weird shit and her friend said “give him my number so I can see” and they’re giggling about your txts. This is why I txt the number with made-up drama and let C7 see, and/or why I hit/flirt on the number…if it’s a dude, who cares, C7 knows I’m just fucking around. But if it’s a girl, she’s going to girl-talk with her later like “omg he’s so funny and he told me to come party this weekend, if you don’t want him then it’s okay right?” and start a little jealousy plotline.

    “I go out alone. I stay for an hour. And guess what I do? JACK GODDAMNED SHIT.”

    lol, been there a million times if it makes you feel any better. Especially near the start when I was new, I’d have more nights out where I don’t do anything and choke and go home without opening a soul and kick myself all night frustrated with how I wussed out. Now those days are pretty rare, I’ll at LEAST shoot the shit with whoever’s beside me, but there are still occasional nights where I’ll fuck the 3-second rule up, get overwhelmed by the crazy party environment if I’m not feeling the groove myself, and go home annoyed that I didn’t do anything.

    The difference between then and now is that back then those bad nights were a big deal to me. Now I just accept that they happen sometimes, and it’s not a big deal because I know I’ll be out the next night or next weekend and I’ll probably have an awesome night so who cares if I had a bad night.

    There was actually a phase for a while where I had myself convinced that every fri/sat, one night would be amazing off the charts epic and the other night would be terrible lol. It was a pretty consistent pattern for almost a year. I’m pretty sure it was just my sub-conscious trying to teach me not to put so much outcome dependence on any given night and just accept the moment for what it is when it happens.

    Sure didn’t feel that way at the time though lol

    “The three second rule is so crucial.”

    Yep. Even if you get blown out or make yourself look weird to some people, that shocks your brain into getting into a social groove. So when you hit that vacation spot, you’re going to be entering a TON of new environments (new hotel area, new beach area, new bar areas, new restaraunts, etc. etc.) and you’re going to have a choice of “follow the 3 second rule and chat someone in that environment up, even if it’s a staff member or someone who will think I’m weird, and then be in state and have a fun night/day from there…or don’t talk to anyone and watch all the other opportunities pass by because I didn’t do my warm-up”.

    “Almost every really hot girl that I -should have- talked could have been opened”

    Yup. You *KNOW* those girls would’ve loved you and you had some easy sets around, but when you walk into a new enviro you start a spiral…either that spiral is a spiral of socializing and you get more and more social, or it’s a spiral of being anti-social and you get more and more inside your head. Force yourself onto the good spiral, like jumping into the cold water. :)

    “Suddenly, it dawns on me that I am not restricted to trying to make inroads with all of these people I don’t know. So, while Nightly just talks to them, I just leave and start my night.”

    Perfect. Good. This would seem rude to some people but the reality is that it’s okay to be a little selfish and go for what you want, especially when you specifically have a goal (cold-approaching girls). If you had an important business meeting and some people you didn’t know wanted you to go hang out in a diner you’d be like “hey, nothing personal y’all, I got some shit to do” and go to your meeting. Don’t let other people tell you that your priority shouldn’t be a priority…you decide what’s important to you.

    If you feel like sitting and making new friends with these people, cool, do that. But don’t waste your night on them out of just not wanting to look rude for 30 seconds. Guaranteed a few min after you left no one gave a shit or will hold it against you.

    I used to get stuck babysitting other people a LOT, because I like to make people who are uncomfortable when we’re out, comfortable. So I’ll hang back and talk with the shy nerds or the quiet people or whatever to make sure they’re having fun too. But eventually there’s a point where I have to mentally go “well hey, good luck, I have to take care of myself now, you’re an adult you can handle it from here.” and leave them be or I won’t work on my own goals.

    “For some reason, I’m aching to just go direct with my game. I have no idea why. Maybe it’s the extra testosterone from the gym. Who can say?”

    lol go with whatever you feel like. It’ll take a while before you get your personal style down and even then you’ll fluctuate depending on your mood/state. I like indirect game but if I’m in a killer mood I’ll go direct.

    It’s good to try everything and see what clicks with you and when it clicks with you. That’s why the debate over Indirect/Direct is silly…a good PUA can mix it up depending on the circumstances.

    “But, since Ya wants me to go open hot girs…”

    Your penis wants you to, too. :)

    “I’ll open them direct more, because I -need- to learn how to not freeze up around them and just be a confident MF.”

    To get the really hot girls, literally all it comes down to is not freezing up or letting their hotness affect you so that you can treat them the exact same way you treat an ugly 5. That’s all it comes down to. That’s why often guys who grow up with a lot of sisters will end up being Naturals, because they’ve been around girls their whole life and seen their good and bad sides and just aren’t phased by talking to a hot girl…whereas a nerd who grew up alone or with brothers and who doesn’t have much experience interacting with women will choke up on a 7 and be too terrified to even approach an 8+ let alone hold a normal conversation with her.

    “As the days pass by, I also realize that I must learn to open mixed sets.”

    It’s a useful skill. Like I say there are a ton of new skills for you to work on, so don’t beat yourself up if you don’t get around to them all right away. :)

    “I wanted to see if you’re cool.”

    You’re on the right track with this. This is basically opening them with a qualifier so you’re forcing them to qualify themselves right away, which sets up a good dynamic where she’s already trying to prove herself to you (VS a girl telling you to “entertain me” and you having to qualify to her).

    My only reservation with “are you cool?” is that it’s so arbitrary that it’s a little confusing so you’ll get anything from a really wishy-washy answer to her friend thinking you’re insulting her to her taking it as the biggest compliment in the world so it’s kind of rolling the dice.

    Compare that to, say, “Hey, I just came over ’cause you’re kind of cute. I’m looking for a girlfriend who can cook, can you cook? What’s your favorite thing to cook for a guy?” or “I wanted to see if you’re fun, I don’t like boring girls, tell me a joke.” or “You seem too cool for this bar, what are you doing here?” etc.

    Basically it’s the same idea, of qualifying them, but it gives them something more concrete to respond with. Part of that 90/10 rule is to get them on auto-pilot easy responses they don’t have to think about. So when you say “Are you cool?” they think “uhh what does that mean? yes? I think so? what does he think cool is? My friends think I’m cool…?” Whereas when you say “Can you cook?” or “Can you dance?” or “Why do you look so mad?”, the responses are a lot easier for them because it’s a yes/no answer or they have to answer a simple/weird question (“lol what?? I’m not mad!!” “Oh, that’s good, I only like happy girls. Alright you can be my girlfriend for the next 5 minutes.”, etc.).

    That make sense?

    “Her: Oh……..yeah, but I have a boyfriend, and —”

    You’ll hear this a lot more when you go direct. When you go direct, you’re forcing her to make a decision pretty quickly, before she knows anything about you or much about your personality, so you’re forcing her into shit-testing you right away.

    This isn’t a bad thing. As we know, passing a shit-test builds attraction. You didn’t really know how to handle shit-tests before, so going direct would’ve been tough for you and probably discouraging because you’d hit roadblocks right away…but now you’ve got a solid foundation of plowing through tests, so direct will be easier for you. :) It still may or may not be optimal, but now you have enough of a skillset to dabble with it.

    “Me: (Smiles at her friend) Hey, is she cool?”

    Not a bad way to handle it actually lol If the friend doesn’t like her boyfriend (it happens!), the friend might play into your shit and you could turn things around. But if they know/like him, they’ll just cockblock you like so:

    “Her: (laughs and rolls her eyes) All three of us are in serious relationships.”

    Because going direct shows your full Intent right from the start so they allll know exactly what you’re doing. Again this isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it’s part of why I say to qualify them right away during Direct, because you want to, as quickly as possible, give a justification for why you’re attracted to them.

    so like above where I wrote something like “Hey. You’re cute, I wanted to come over and say hi, but why are you so ANGRY??” “lol what?? I’m not angry!” “Oh, good! I love happy girls! (hug) You seem too cool for this place, what are you doing here?” etc.

    Basically a big thing that triggers girl’s ASD and cockblocking Mother Hen’s etc, is when you’re into a girl for no reason other than “she has a pussy” so she could be any girl in the room…when you go Indirect, you don’t trigger that yet because you’re building up to it and you make your Intent known once you’ve qualified her so she feels like she’s earned it.

    But when you go Direct, you’re instantly triggering that “I like you because, well, you have a pussy and you’re in talking range, but you could be any other girl with a pussy and I’d be just as into you since I don’t know anything about you” warning to the girls…so if you quickly qualify them with something they can easily “win”, you neutralize that.

    It’s like breaking into a bank and knowing the alarm is about to go off but disabling the alarm at the last second before it rings. :)

    Also if the girl doesn’t pass your qualifier, like “No, I can’t cook. :( ” you can still roll with it and go “Oh man, we can never be together then. We’re broken up, it’s not you, it’s me. Hey are you a hairdresser?–”

    That’s why it’s good to have a qualifier that has clear polarizing yes/no responses to it, so you’re prepared for either her passing or failing and that’s all you have to think about. Whereas with “Are you cool?” you have no idea what response you’ll get and it could be anywhere in a huge range of responses from good to bad.

    When BradP starts his Horse Girl opener he says there’s basically 3 responses to “Do you like horses?” Either it’s “yes”, “no”, or she doesn’t hear what you’re saying. That’s it. No thinking involved.
    And, in fact, the rest of his routine is run the same way whether she says yes OR no lol. That’s a solid functional/consistent routine design.

    “Do they really have bf’s? Does it matter? That rolls around in my mind for a few seconds.”

    They probably did, but you’ll never know so fuck it. And like I say, even if they didn’t, you’re going to hear “I have a boyfriend” a LOT more going Direct. She doesn’t tell the homeless guy on the street that, she tells the player who’s up in her grill that.

    “Me: (gesturing to both the guys) Hey, girl in the black, are either of these guys your boyfriend?”

    lol awesome. Ballsy. If they guys AREN’T her BF and she’s single, then you’re owning them instantly and the confidence involved in this alone will get you massive attraction from the girl and could pretty much seal the deal right away.

    “Me: These dudes — you with ‘em?”

    Wait, aren’t these guys supposed to jump up and kick your ass with their MMA moves and spread your guts all over the ground for disrespecting them like that???? …oh, wait, that doesn’t really happen in the field, it only happens in the minds of Internet Warrior Keyboard Jockeys.

    “7: Well, I actually have a boyfriend though”

    lol again you’ll get this a lot because your Intent is in her face. Again though, you can get past this in the right circumstances (like no one around her would judge her for cheating on her BF…in this situ the guys for sure would and probably her GF, but often when you see the “Girl’s Night Out” 2 or 3 sets, the girls have a “what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” style pact with eachother and all cheat on their BFs and don’t judge eachother…this is Secret Society mentality).

    “6 (leans in to talk to her friend) Ha, yeah you’re just ‘kind of’ cute”

    lol. This chick is calling out your incongruency because you’re half-assing your direct attempt by using “kind of cute” because your sub-conscious is scared to say “you’re fuckin’ sexy in that dress.”

    To understand how this looks to the 6 (and any girl), imagine a huge muscular angry dude winding up to just fucking obliterate your head with a punch, and you close your eyes ready to accept your fate…and then when he hits you it goes “….bink!” and it’s a light little tap.

    Instantly you’re like “wait, what?? All that build-up and THAT’S what he hit me with? lol wtf???” It’s incongruent.

    “Good. I saw you from across the room and you look sexy as fuck in that outfit. I wanted to come find out if you’re cool. Are you?”

    That’s showing a level of Intent that more congruent to going Direct and tooling her guy-friends.

    “7: Yeah, ‘kind of’”

    Same deal here lol. Girls pick up on this stuff. Automatically they know your bite doesn’t match your bark and you’re pretty much toast from there because now any barking/biting you do will seem fake/try-hard/over-compensating.

    “Me: (smirk, shrug) Your friend have a boyfriend too?”

    lol the other problem with Direct is it’s harder to switch up targets because again you end up looking like you just want whoever has a pussy and is convenient. Whereas with Indirect you can do a little more recon and figure out who’s taken and who’s single, and then qualify that girl, let her pass your qualifications, and then reward her with your Intent, and to them she’s the one that “earned” your interest so they’re okay with it and don’t have a clue you actually pulled a switch. Know what I mean?

    “5: (gestures to Guy2)”

    lol

    “Now, mentally my first reaction is ‘oh shit I just look terrible.’ But then I just kinda think back to the RSD video. It’s really just as simple as ‘Relax. I’m awesome.’”

    Perfect. This is what you want to build up. Frame control, the strongest frame ALWAYS wins. Basically it’s only awkward if you let it BE awkward. You could walk in with your pants down and be like “What? Nah, it’s just hot. Why do you all have your pants ON? That’s fucking weird…” and eventually people will go “that’s just Scray, he walks around with his pants down, oh that crazy Scray lol” and not give a fuck.

    Again this is how I get away with saying REALLY offensive shit right off the bat to people I’ve just met. They react with shock and horror and I just frame control that whatever I just did is perfectly normal and eventually they cave because I’ve spent years working on my frame control and holding it under social pressure, and they haven’t.

    “Guy1: I have a boyfriend too”

    lol awesome. This is actually a cool guy, I would probably end up befriending for being sharp. Unless, you know, he was serious and is actually gay lol

    “Me: Ya, I know — it’s the beard dude. You really rock it though, sexy as fuck!”

    Great response. Agree & Amplify. It’s a compliment, so he can’t get MAD at you, but he also knows you’re kind of tooling him and so does the group. Thus you get:

    “(Said in a jokey self-amusing way; the 6 laughs at this; the guy and his friend are butthurt. Hahaha, that’s right)

    Guy1 — UHHH….well…uhhh….UHHHH”

    You look chill/funny. You spark some attraction in one of the chicks. And the guys have no response, because they don’t know what to do with this polite tooling.

    “Aka …. real life proof that guys who get tooled IRL will not hit you or start a fight.”

    It’s SUCH a huge leap of rage to go from 0 to punching someone out that you have to pretty much be a completely socially inept psychopathic rage-machine walking around dying to punch someone or prove you’re a bad-ass, which generally you can spot a mile away and just avoid being around.

    Also note in that whole interaction, what did the 6 do?:

    - “6 (leans in to talk to her friend) Ha, yeah you’re just ‘kind of’ cute” (tries to get in on the conversation)

    - “the 6 laughs at this” (laughing at your jokes instead of getting pissed off)

    SURPRISE! You might have been able to fuck the 6 lol. If you had noticed that in-set or if she was on your radar in general as a girl you’d be up for fucking, you could have switched to her after tooling her guy-friends and just started into “Hey, are you a hairdresser?” type stuff.

    Again though, when you go Direct and the chick isn’t into it, it’s hard to pull this switch. Each switch just makes you look more and more desperate and out for any pussy that will talk to you lol

    “(I notice that people are just blindsided by this approach at first, but their initial reaction is just this intense ‘are you for real?’ hard not to buckle)”

    Ya, it’s unexpected and crazy to them, and at the same time they want to know if this is a gag or if you’re for real. So when you hold your frame like this is totally normal to you and you DON’T buckle they go “…oh, okay I guess this is really happening. Okay, time to answer the question then!”

    “I’m pumped now. Something about going direct just makes me feel like a boss. I mean, it can’t hurt to experiment, but I know that Ya advises against it.”

    lol oh it’s a blast, I won’t deny that. It’s just that Scray now isn’t the same Scray as a few months ago…that Scray would’ve gotten eaten alive going Direct. This Scray is better at handling it.

    Quite frankly, I didn’t know (and I have a feeling you didn’t either) that you would turn out to be this good at passing shit-tests and holding the frame and self-amusing and fucking around with girls and not taking them seriously. Usually a short guy has a bunch of baggage to work through and would spend the first few months freaking out every time a girl doesn’t seem to like him. You just kind of plow through like a bull in a china shop, but in a good way.

    Who knows, you might find out down the road that Direct is perfect for you and your personality. That’s a part of game, is learning about yourself. :) Remember a few months ago you had like zero Identity…you’ll still develop it, for the rest of your life really, but it’s slowly solidifying and you’re learning “This is who Scray is, he’s a guy who does this and acts like that and in these situations this is how he reacts”. That’s important, as a man. And when you walk around and meet new guys, especially beta types, you’ll be able to quickly tell which guys have a strong sense of Identity and which guys don’t. And you’ll automatically feel superior and more “enlightened” than the guys who don’t…you’ll even pity them for a while. Then down the road you’ll try to help them the way I’m helping you because you’ll remember what it was like to be like them. :)

    A lot of guys ask me what my routines are or what I open with or what I say in certain situations etc. Thing is, the stuff that I do works great for me, because I know myself and what’s congruent to me and when I approach a girl she knows that I’m not just spouting lines off the Internet. It’s not that what I’m saying is any more “brilliant” than “Who lies more, Men or Women?”, it’s just that what I’m saying is extremely congruent to me. Someone else saying it would be incongruent. So I like to explain my thinking behind it and the general vibe and rules I follow, so that other guys can take that and figure out what fits that structure but uses their own personality.

    “I walk past an 8 sitting there on the phone, fresh off that last set. I’m into her look, her vibe. -Attracted-”

    That makes all the difference in the world. :) I went through a phase where I wasn’t getting laid at all for a solid half a year. It was brutal. But over time I realized that I was simply not going to places that had hot enough girls for me, so I was half-assing all my approaches because I really didn’t give a shit about the girls and sub-consciously didn’t REALLY want to fuck them…wasn’t inspired at all to bring any sort of game to the table, and the girls can sub-consciously pick up on that…and then ironically THEY reject YOU because they know you’re not really into them, and then you’re like “fuck I didn’t even want this ugly chick and she’s rejecting ME??? Fuck this shit!!” lol

    The cure was venturing into new social scenes with hotter girls that make me WANT to fuck them.

    Part of this is from being a “Thrill of the Hunt” guy. One of my Natural buddies is a “Pleasure of Sex” guy, so he can fake Interest with ugly chicks to get the lay if it’s convenient…actually, he’s not faking Interest, he really legitimately IS Interested, but only because he loves sex so much and she seems like she’d be an easy lay. Whereas my mindset would be “ugh, I know this’ll be an easy lay but ughhh…she’s gross. :( Do I really want the lay THAT bad?”

    You’re pretty clearly a Thrill of the Hunt guy. Embrace it, our type need to approach the hotter girls or we feel like we’re wasting our time. :)

    “Me: Hey, girl on the phone”

    Good stuff. Your attention-grabbing “Hey! Nickname!” openers are solid. Make sure you’re doing them loud and authoritatively with a breaking rapport tone…almost as if you’re a security guard saying “You, with the red backpack. Hold up!”. It’s okay if this doesn’t seem “friendly”, you can bust out into a smile afterward…you need that dominance to stop them in their tracks and get their attention.

    Compare how you do it with like, “hey ummm…excuse me? Girl on the phone? hi, umm can I ask you a question?” lol That’ll get snubbed hard and fast, and deservedly so.

    Even if I go Indirect, like with an opinion opener, I do it with authority. “HEY. You. Help me out for a sec. (question)” instead of “excuse me, I can only stay for a moment but could I get a female opinion?”. I’m running the same game (interrupt, false time constraint, ask question) but I’m doing it in a way that forces her to react and EXPECTS her to react.

    A LOT of old-school Mystery Method style game can be run through this modern “breaking rapport mindset” filter and updated into something a lot more powerful than the old-school stuff was. The evolution of game. :)

    “Me: What, you here with some guy?”

    Here you cut her off and accuse her basically. You’re forcing her to react to you, she can’t ignore this.

    “Me: Your boyfriend?”

    Again, she has to react.

    “8: Well, we date…so…I mean…does that…”

    IOI. If you were a homeless smelly man, she would say “yes we’ve been together 10 years”. The fact that she’s wishy washy about it means that 1) he’s a fuckbuddy at BEST, friend-zone at worst, so he’s not much competition for you if you can get her alone/isolated, and 2) she’s not opposed to fucking you, probably because you approached with such balls that she at LEAST wants to find out if turning you down would be something she’d regret or not.

    “Me: So would it just destroy his fucking mind if I were here talking to you right now”

    Awwwwwwesome. Because 1) you cut her off in the middle of her wishy-washy-ass answer like she’s wasting your time (oh wait, didn’t people say that was rude and she should claw out your eyes for interrupting her while her MMA boyfriend stabs you??), and 2) you’re not backing down or apologizing for your Intent/desires.

    “8: (Blink blink laugh) Well, I – -”

    Deer in the headlights here. She doesn’t know wtf she’s just run into but she’s curious as fuck about it. You have legit attraction from her.

    Now stop for a sec and think, why did this interaction go this way, and the “kind of cute” went the other way? Which one did you show actual legit congruent Intent with? Is it that this girl’s just sluttier than the other girl, or is it that your internals were a lot more solid and intense with this girl than the “kind of cute” one?

    “Me: (gesturing to guy next to her on seat) Hey you know this girl? HEY GUY?!”

    lol this is a great move if you know for sure he doesn’t know her. If he does know her, you’re opening a possible can of worms. But if it’s obvious (and often it is) that the guy is just some dude standing there, this is some epic shit to the girl because you’re just randomly dominating your environment and causing chaos and she’s in the middle of the whirlwind.

    The second half of this clip is you and what interacting with you is like for a girl:

    Where he just causes chaos in that market and embarrasses her and shouts that she’s trying to rob him etc. etc. and then whisks her off into the night. That set of emotions she goes through in this clip where she just escalates more and more into “OMG!!!”s and gina-tingles is what this 8 was going through once you started involving this random guy in your chaos.

    My style is pretty similar to that. Where I’ll say stuff that I know people won’t be able to keep up with, but I’ll act normal and just cut through the weirdness and keep going why everyone around me has to play catch-up. Once they finally catch-up, they go from confused and flustered to loving me because I just took them on a crazy little emotional rollercoaster and then brought it all home for them to catch-up. :)

    You might like the show Californication, Hank Moody is a good example of someone self-amusing around women (and men) and just fucking with people the way you do…but his vibe is extremely chill and is pretty much too chill for a young energetic club environment so don’t adapt that part of his attitude lol

    “Guy: W – -

    Me: No, right? You’re a good guy, I like that about you, and your shirt. nice fucking shit”

    lol awesome. This guy would be too confused to even get mad at you. And you’re complimenting him so it’s like, in his mind he’s just going “wtf just happened??? lol” not “what an asshole, he cut me off when I was trying to answer his question grrrrr!!”

    “Her: (bewildered, laughing, no paying attention to her phone at all)”

    Of course not, you’re way more interesting than her phone right now. Compare that with the beta husband who makes a woman’s emotions go —— or the Nice Guy who talks about the weather and logical questions —— and meanwhile you jump in there and her emotions are going /\/\/\/

    And again, you’re forcing her and the guy with the shirt to both react to you. You’re dominating this interaction and everyone has to react to what you’re throwing out there.
    So by default, everyone is lower-value than you, because whoever reacts more has lower value.

    “Me: Now listen, I’m only gonna ask one more time — are you cool or not?”

    She doesn’t even know/care what cool means at this point, you’ve got her attracted enough that she’ll answer whatever she thinks you WANT her to answer, and she’ll do it with enthusiasm because she WANTS to be a part of your world/adventure, like so:

    “Her: (staring up at me, nodding her head with a grin) Yeah!”

    You could make out with her right here. “Good, I thought so!” and just grab her face and kiss her. She would’ve done it. Like, 99% chance…I would be completely mind-blown if she rejected the kiss, doesn’t even matter that her “date” is there somewhere.

    “Me: Oh really, we’ll see about the shit…you gonna take the cool challenge?”

    This works right now because her guy isn’t there, so she has no judgement. You’ve effectively hijacked her world and transported her to a fantasy land where only you and her exist. Later on she’ll reject playing this game, because her guy is there and she’s snapped back to “reality”.

    A lot of my pickups are an escape for the girl. Like the stuff she does with me almost didn’t actually happen in her mind, because I’ve whisked her away to a world of non-judgement and emotional rollercoasters and it feels like a dream.

    This is why PUAs hate when the Ugly Lights come on, or when the friends barge in to interrupt, or when you leave one environment into another but the other environment has bright lights and no music etc. compared to the dark bar with music playing…these are all shell-shocks to the girl’s system and they yank her out of the dream bubble and it can be tough to get that vibe back, especially if, IN that dream bubble, she was going to cheat on her husband or something that in “the real world” she feels like she shouldn’t do it or that people would judge her for it.

    “Her: Yeah! Let’s do it”

    This is where you grab her and say “Okay, come with me.” and start walking away. To isolate her and hide her from her date lol You have enough attraction from her that she’d likely come with you (although pulling her from her table MIGHT trigger some “but I have to watch our drinks/jackets/etc.” resistance, so really it’s 50/50 on whether you’d want to do it…if her date never came back, you could fuck her right there in the booth practically lol But as we know, he comes back…so really this is just bad logistics).

    “Her: (Laughing again, this is a new laugh for me. This is like, ‘wtf is happening, I am short-circuiting’) Okay, well…movie I hate? Wow I – -”

    This is called “frying her circuits” lol It generally leads to the DDB look if you just start self-amusing and rambling, but if you snap her out of the circuit-frying by forcing her to react logically to something (which is what you do here), she won’t get to DDB and instead she’ll just snap into trying to qualify herself and do what you said.

    Either result is good, really lol But you CAN over-fry her circuits and cause her friends to drag her away or cause her to run away going “omg omg omg” because she knows she wants to fuck you but isn’t supposed to for whatever reason. A lot of Flash Game like grabbing a quick makeout, is based on spiking her Buying Temperature fast so she fries her circuits, and then physically escalating quickly (like grabbing her and kissing her suddenly out of the blue) while she’s in fried/DDB mode.

    Ultimately a solid sarge to avoid her flaking involves comfort/rapport though, so while frying her circuits is FUN, it can actually fuck the sarge up because she’s too fried to drop back down into comfort/rapport…so you can make out with her, but she won’t return your txt the next day.

    “Me: (Looking around the room, then back to her) OMG it’s a simple question, are you COOL OR NOT?”

    Good, some call-back humor and forcing her into a label. This is actually another concept, where you say something like “You girls are nice, these other girls were mean they said blah blah blah–” and now those girls have to BE nice because if they did not-nice things then they don’t live up to your label anymore…so instinctively they’ll be nicer lol you’re doing the same thing with “I thought you were cool”. Her instinctive response is “I’m cool!!”

    “she LEANS FORWARD TO WHERE HER SHOULDER IS LIKE AN INCH AWAY FROM MINE)”

    Of course she does. Why wouldn’t she? You’ve been blowing her mind since Hello. This is an IOI of course, but at this point there isn’t even any point in counting IOIs because she loves you lol Everything is an IOI now.

    “and by the way (taps me on the shoulder while still leaning) those were 4 questions, so you lose”

    Kino. IOI. Blah blah. lol

    “Me: Smart girl (grins) and that’s how I know you’re cool”

    See and now you just qualified her. Now your Intent for her is based on her being smart, cool, etc., not “she has a pussy and didn’t reject me” like with some of the other girls. Now she feels like she’s earned you. This is a 100% green-light done deal to me.

    In this situ, right here, I would grab her number quick…’cause her date will probably come back at some point, and him just being there can fuck the vibe up (as you’ll find out), which is fine if you already have her number, you can game her via txts and meet up later that night or another time (like I’d txt her stuff like “tell him you have a headache lol let’s go get coffee” that night while I know she’s still with him and stealth-AMOG). But without her number, you’re fucked.

    “Her: (laughs — she’s into it, just trust me)”
    :) An 8?? Into Scray?? But…but you’re SHORT!! Shit…it’s almost like game is more important than looks. ;)

    “Me: So what’s your name?”

    Good. Compare this to asking her name right away in a plain boring “formal” introduction like most guys do where she thinks “oh he’s just asking my name because that’s what you do in an introduction”. HERE she thinks “omg he’s asking me my name, he’s into me!! I earned that by being cool!! yay!!” Totally different dynamic.

    Note that this is a good opportunity to grab her number. Imagine pulling your phone out and saying “So what’s your name?” as you hit “Add contact” on it. “What?? Why??” “Because I don’t want to spell it wrong, dummy. Don’t make me save you as Uncool Phone Girl.” Then after she says her name you just go down to the number part and say whatever the area code there is, followed by an expectant silence like “Five, five, fiiiive……?” like you just expect her to say the rest. If she says anything that isn’t numbers you say “That’s a weird number, I don’t think I have those buttons on my keypad. Try again, 555-….?” She’ll do it.

    “Me: I mean, I don’t think I have an ex named that, so…..yeah, you’d be an original”

    lol good stuff. You’re hitting the vibe now in your interactions where girls will just ASSUME you get laid and that girls want to fuck you. Compared to before when you’d have to try to convince them of that. Girls interact with you and just assume flat out “of COURSE other girls want to fuck Scray, this guy is amazing”.

    “Her: Hahahahaah…what’s your name?”

    Again, compare her asking this NOW to if you forced her to ask it in a boring formal introduction when you met. This is her dying to know more about this fascinating guy in front of her.

    “Me: (is this happening wtf is this actually happening) Guess!”

    lol :)

    “Me: HOLY SHIT, WOW YOU ARE SO AMAZING! LIKE THE KNIGHT YAAAAAAAAAAAA”

    More lol! It doesn’t have to even make sense, as long as it’s self-amusing to you, she’ll love it.

    “Her: Hahahaha you’re so full of shit!

    Me: You’re like a fucking psychic…”

    You two have an awesome vibe here. You would have REALLY fucking hot sex with this chick. It would be full of back and forth teasing and play-fighting and tossing her around the room and just fucking killer sex.

    …or rather, you WOULD, if you had gotten her number when the window of opportunity was there. ;)

    Unfortunately:

    ” – – (I’m about to tell her my actual name when I notice her look past me fast, and I actually talk a bit more but then I just glance behind….o shit, there’s a dude there. O ya she was on a date)”

    lol. Aaaaand now you’re fucked. She’ll clam up and the vibe will die completely. She has too much history with him to ditch him for you (this actually happened to me a couple weekends ago when a girl’s ex showed up before we could fuck and she ended up having to fuck him instead lol), and he knows what you’re doing and will try to compete, and all in all this is that snap back to reality that shattered the dream bubble she was in.

    “Dude: Sup man. (Tries to tool me almost instantly by gesturing for me to scoot closer. Game on then)”

    And so it starts lol

    “Me: Ya? Thanks bro. You guys dating?”

    REAAAAAAAALLY good response lol If I’m into a girl and a beta white-knight type Orbiter comes up to cockblock, I’ll tell him “oh sorry bro, I didn’t know she was your girlfriend.” and ask her how long they’ve been dating. He won’t have the balls to say “Ya she’s my girl!” because he hasn’t fucked her because he’s an Orbiter so all he can do is go “uhhhh—” and stammer. And she’s attracted to me so she doesn’t want to say he’s her boyfriend, plus she doesn’t want to give him any ideas, so all she can do is go either “uhhhh–” or “what?? him?? oh god no!!” and crush him for me. Smooth sailing to do what I want from there. :) In fact at that point I’ll often chat the dude up and compliment him and befriend him and then he’ll just back off and let me HAVE his girl because he realizes I’m cooler than him and he’s like the little lion letting the big lion have the kill.

    “(He looks at her, she looks at him)”
    :) This is the “uhhh—” lol. That’s why this was a good way to handle it. Unfortunately, now she has someone who will judge her around, so anything she does has to be filtered through “what will DateGuy think of me after this?”

    “Me: Simple question (turns to girl)”

    Again, a good way to handle it. Strong frame, not backing down, and putting the onus on her. Thing is, she won’t answer positive or negative lol It’s too awkward for her to answer. She’s basically locked in a stale-mate.

    Now if you had grabbed her number before he got back to the table, you could have handled this all with an “oh hey bro, is this your girlfriend? Sorry dude I didn’t realize! Well hey, you’re a lucky man, she’s gorgeous (while staring her down). You two have a fun night! ;) ” and walk off…and then txt her 10 min later “whoops almost cockblocked ya, if you don’t get laid tonight it’s my bad ;) lol” and start stealth-AMOG’ing the guy while he’s on his date so that she ditches him to fuck you or at least solidifies a future hookup with her.

    “Him: (trying to tool again) Well if your game is strong, go for it”

    Good move on his part, trying to take the frame and “order” you. There’s not much he can do because he’s not her official boyfriend. An official boyfriend could just grab her and makeout for 10 minutes till you feel awkward and leave lol. So he handled this about the best way he can…if he reacts too much he looks too insecure/jealous for their casual relationship, if he reacts too little, he loses her to you. This was a solid play for him.

    I actually don’t even have a problem losing girls to a guy. It doesn’t happen often, but occasionally I’ll run into a guy with legit solid game or enough confidence from having a history with the girl that he pulls out a move that, if I were in his position, I would do. So if I lose the girl to that, in my mind I’m just like “lol shit, touche, well played sir.” and move on. No hard feelings!

    “Me: Thanks bro, give me pointers, whisper in my ear. (he laughs”

    Solid! This was a good way to handle this. This is what an AMOG battle tends to look like…both of you trying to get eachother to jump through hoops lol It sounds retarded in text form, but it’s usually pretty funny in real life.

    “I turn to the girl; am I really fucking going to try this. It’s funny, doing this shit just like spikes my confidence through the roof)”

    lol ya man, go for it, why not. In reality you’re pretty fucked at this point. To go with you, she would have to shit on this guy’s face with rejection, a guy that she goes on dates and probably fucks and has a history with and is probably part of her social circle etc…it’s just too much to risk. If you had the value of Brad Pitt, she might say “fuck it!” and go for it, but you’re not quite that high-value to her.

    I can guarantee you she was bummed that the interaction got fucked up though. And she probably thought about you the whole time she was fucking him that night. And she probably thought “I wish he had gotten my number :( :( ” lol. I’m only twisting this knife so that you remember all this in the future when you meet a hottie and think to yourself “remember what happened LAST time Scray?? Not THIS time!! GIMME YOUR NUMBER!!!”

    “So anyway, me and you are on a date at my house right…..who makes the popcorn, and what are we watching?”

    See now she can’t answer this. She would’ve loved it if he wasn’t there…but now everything’s through that “I’m going to be judged” filter. Booooo :’(

    “Her: (She’s shocked again, laughing…I notice that her body language is different now, her legs crossed, she’s facing away from me. Goddammit….fucking shit cock ass bitch lick…) Well, I dunno….blah blah blah”

    Yep. She just can’t be into you anymore…she *IS* into you, and she’s as bummed that it didn’t pan out as you are, but a girl’s biggest fear is judgement. That’s why we isolate them from their friends etc.

    So don’t look at this like “oh she wasn’t REALLY into me or she’d've gone along with it”…She was literally forced into Check by circumstances/logistics and unable to do anything. You could have circumvented that by grabbing her # earlier, but that’s something you learn from experience…painful experiences like this, in fact. :)

    “all of a sudden the guy stands up — he’s like 6’2 lol)”

    lol. Some guys would escalate this into a fight. A socially savvy guy understands the dynamics that all went down and is kind of like “lol, ya, fuck he wins this round, I guess I’ll move on, well played, can’t believe I fumbled the football!” and peace out.

    “Her: (hesitating but slowly nodding)”

    She has no choice. The hesitates because she WISHES it had worked out…or that you had made sure you had her number before her date got back. ;)

    “Me: It appears as though our time together has drawn to a close. But I’ll always remember — well probably, right? (smirk)”

    Good, you’re not intimidated/phased really, you’re still just fucking around even with a 6’2″ trying to physically intimidate you. And of course the result of not giving a fuck about some big dude is:

    “Her: (she’s fucking loving it)”
    :) Hypergamy for your higher-value than him in action. But again, judgement rules over all. ASD and all that.

    “Him: Ya, cool just leave.”

    He’s over the whole situ and he knows he’s won. And he’ll insult you once you leave, but she’ll secretly think about you while she fucks him lol

    Again a lot of guys would turn this into a fight right here, thinking they can fight over the girl and win her or that they got “disrespected” by this guy and need to prove themselves and defend their weak little ego etc.

    “Me: Aww hey man, don’t be like that. Hey, c’mere…
    (I open my arms as if to give him a hug — he’s PISSED — but I hug him anyway, then on the way out I wink at the girl and give her the ‘call me’ sign. ”

    Fucking FLAWLESS lol. You can’t punch someone hugging you lol It would just be too psychotic a rage escalation for normal socially adjusted human beings. AND the wink tells her “ehh fuck this guy I’m not scared :) ”. I do the look-back to girls when they’re with other guys all the time, it’s like a secret “we both know that guy’s lame and we should be fucking ;) ” conversation. How you handled that was worth WAY more high-value points to the chick than slugging the guy and her having to spend the night with him filling out forms at the hospital or whatever.

    If you HAD gotten her number, you would be railing this chick right now instead of reading this. :) Twisting that knife so you remember. ;) lol

    “Unfortunately like a RETARD I didn’t ask for her number ever goddammit, fucking shit cock ass bitch UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH)”
    :) We all learned this way. lol

    “My state and confidence are out of control.”

    For sure…you should be filled with fury and Intent and in “God Mode”.

    “7: I’m really cool, what about you”

    shit-test.

    “Me: (turns to the 8) Hey your friend is kind of pushy. Is she cool?”

    Shitting on her shit-test by ignoring it, teasing/negging her, AND addressing her friend to gang up on her. Solid.

    “7: What the fuck?”

    lol

    “Me: (Laughing at her) What, I’m getting to know you, don’t be such a bitch about it”
    “Me: Mmmmm, I see…well if you’re cool — make out with her (flicks chin to the 8)”
    “(they actually do it…I almost shit my pants…)”

    This is the kind of stuff you can say/do when you’re in state. There’s an old PUA saying “PUA is the exception to the rule.” When we’re firing on all cylinders in state, we can break every social norm in the book and get away with it, and get girls to do things other guys don’t realize are even possible. The trick is learning to get into this state consistently.

    Imagine being in this state while you’re on this upcoming vacation. Imagine THAT chaos. But then imagine if you don’t follow the 3s rule, and you don’t embarrass yourself a bit, and you “play it safe” and keep to yourself…zzzzz. Follow the 3s rule, open everything around you through your day, escalate in situations where most people would say you shouldn’t be able to escalate in, get yourself in this state and take over that vacation spot.

    “Me: Uhhh (DEEEEEEEEEERP)…..so how often you guys do that?”

    lol aaaaand now you’re incongruent. :) The big raging hulk monster turned out to be two little kids standing on eachother’s backs wearing their dad’s trenchcoat. And you would’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for those rotten kids!

    In theory/experience, if you had been able to keep the badass alpha state frame you had going on, you might’ve been able to sexually escalate with these chicks. But once you’re proven to be incongruent and essentially full of shit to them and not the badass sexually liberated non-judgemental non-phased-by-girls-kissing-because-that-happens-all-the-time-in-your-world-of-sex-and-sin-and-sexual-kinkery…….

    “7: Pretty often, considering we’re together and only swing one way.”

    SLAM! That’s the door slamming down on your chances. :)

    “Me:….(laughing) You sneaky fucking bitches! Here I am, thinking I’ve just developed the world’s best superpower. You guys, you fucking guys…. (leaves)”

    lol at this. This wasn’t actually a bad way to handle it, I might steal that sometime. But by this point they can’t trust that you are who you approached them seeming to be, so this is toast.

    “Me: Hey you guys here with your boyfriends? (grin)”

    lol don’t bring up the BFs till you have some attraction. I mean you can pull it off, but you’re forcing them to acknowledge that they’re sluts and remember what I said above about if you call them nice they have to BE nicer? Well if they say they have BFs they have to BE girls with BFs instead of girls who can fuck you.

    Just a little nuance there. :)

    “This bitch acts like she’s CREEPED out by me patting her on the shoulder. I LAUGH IN HER FAT FUCKING FACE AND WALK AWAY. Like, I legit start laughing out of nowhere, not mad about it at all in anyway. ”

    lol this is how to handle it. Frame control. A lot of guys would cave to the creepy response and let it phase them and freak out and apologize (which just ACKNOWLEDGES that what they did was creepy) etc. In fact you kind of reacted this way when that 6 sneered at you approaching her on the dance floor in like your first FR back in the day. Now look at you, just plowing through it like you don’t have a single fuck to give.

    “Somedude: (Shakes my hand) Hey man what’s up…we’re together.”

    lol. This is solid on his part. It’s not aggressive, it’s not insecure, it’s just letting you know “sup’ dude, this is my girl but feel free to continue if you’re just asking where the bathroom is or some shit, I don’t care.”

    “Me: (makes a fart noise with my mouth and leaves)”

    lol.

    “Me: Oh yeah, is she cool? (Asked to her friends)”

    This is just, you’re asking too much too soon from everyone. 90/10 rule and all that. You haven’t displayed enough value (esp with having fucked up body language and all that) for them to all play along and approve of you trying to hit on their friend.

    “Guy1 (ponytail, much taller than me actually steps forward between me and her, talking to the other guy”

    lol This is actually a good move.

    “at first I want to be like ‘hey could you move?’ Instead…fuck it, I just actually walk into the group sort of place him to the side”

    And this is a good response. You’re wandering into dangerous territory but hey. The difference between here and the shirt-guy from that 8 you should be fucking right now (lol) is that with shirt-guy you had an 8 into you so you had high-value through the roof to her AND him, so you can tool the guy and get away with it. With this guy, your chick already isn’t really into you (with your shitty body language and all) and the group just kind of sees you as a value-taker/annoyance, so now when you tool the guy, you risk getting into a fight.

    Basically because he knows the group would take his side that you’re lame, he can swing at you. That’s why when I AMOG I’ll turn the group against the person in a way that makes them feel that everyone is taking my side so he can’t swing at me because he feels like everyone will think he’s out of line. :)

    “of course responds by putting his hand on my back and situating me right by the girl) There you go man (Ahhh….well-played dickhead)”

    lol this move again. Same as “if your game is strong, go for it”. Solid AMOG’ing move. Steal it and use it yourself to protect your target someday when the situation is reversed and a dude comes into your set. :)

    “Hatgirl7.5: (her body language is irritating me; she’s getting to me. mainly because she’s shifting around and widening her eyes like a dramatic cunt, like it’s just sooooooo creepy to talk to someone. Fuck, I’m losing this non-reactive frame)”

    Social pressure in action. Realistically all she’s doing is just looking strange. There’s no logical reason for you to be freaking out, but you do, because your head starts creeping thoughts into a spiral about how bad she’s making you look and what other people are thinking and who the fuck is she to act like this to someone just talking to her, etc. etc. and it all builds up until you cave.

    Again this is why I can AMOG guys and have them back off…I create that same feeling in them where they’re frustrated but they can’t DO anything about it and the social pressure causes them to back down.

    “Me: (well fuck it man) You seem nervous, are you nervous? (trying to remain like a rock and smirk)”

    While this whole set WAS doomed from the start, it’s not a bad thing that you stuck in there. This is giving you a LOT of experience handling social pressure and keeping that rock frame and smirk. Again that will help you in the future when some friendlier girl is just giving you a really minor shit-test…you won’t even notice it because you’ve trained on sets like this. :)

    Again being short is going to force you to learn to handle more social pressure and physical AMOG’ing etc. that other guys might get. You’ll be a more solid oak tree for it in the long-run.

    “Hatgirl7.5: Nah, I’m fine. You seem nervous.”

    She can read your sub-communications and she has the backing of the group, and she’s not attracted at all.

    “EAT A DICK SCRAY YOU PIECE OF SHIT I HATE YOU AND THE THINGS YOU SAY”

    lol. I know that feels. :)

    “switch it up, maybe I can get her friends to tool on her)”

    Good stuff. If you ARE gonna’ stick it out, change tactics. Try going around her. You never know, you might get something to click and turn it around. The reason we know Mystery’s “Is she always like this? You can dress her up but you can’t take her out, hey? lol” neg he addresses to the rest of her group when the girl hassles him is because he stuck out situations like this and tried going “around” her to the friends and discovered “oh, hey, this can turn this situation around!”

    So good on you for thinking strategically in the moment. If you got drunk all the time, you wouldn’t be able to think of this kind of stuff, it’d just be a big blur of awkward sets and wrong tactics.

    “Her: Yeah I’m cool

    Me: You taking the cool challenge

    Her: No”

    lol. Bound to happen sooner or later. All this is is that you’re shooting for more compliance (or a bigger hoop) than you have attraction/high-value for her to comply with or jump through.

    Here’s a quick little clip that relates, watch Julien from 0:38 to 0:50:

    Julien: “Get off the phone.” (compliance test)
    Girl: “Why?” (not attracted enough to comply to it)
    Julien: “Cause I said so. Fuck, girl, don’t question it.” (attempting to plow)
    Girl: “Well, I’m sorry, I’m not getting off the pho–” (not complying, it’s too big a hoop for her right now)

    Now a normal guy might keep trying to plow and just piss her off. Or he might beg her to get off the phone. etc. But Julien knows “okay, that hoop was too big, give her a smaller hoop and bulid up to bigger hoops later when she’s more attracted” So he switches gears like:

    Julien: “Hug me then.” (new, smaller hoop, that she complies with because she IS attracted enough for that one)
    Julien: “Stay on the phone.” (lol now he’s telling her TO stay on the phone so she’s complying by staying on it…this is that thing where you know someone’s going to do something so you take over and pretend you came up with the idea and order them to do it…it’s what these AMOGs were doing to you with “go for it bro” and what CaptainAMOG was doing in your last report with “Ya let’s go party” etc.)

    At 0:55 he interrupts her with another compliance test “Say hi to my friend Owen.” Julien is great at plowing through a girl’s resistance and fucking with her emotions up and down. It’s even a little cruel at times (see 0:20 in that video lol).

    So the thing you come up with, logically, would just have to be a smaller hoop. Or build more attraction/high-value and then return to this hoop. It might not be possible in all cases, but it’s a strategy to try in this situation.

    “Me: (turns to Italy8) Just fuckin look at her, she looks like she breaks backs for a living”

    Good stuff. Self-amusing cold-reads. You’re forcing them to react to you.

    “Italy8 (laughs and shakes her head gives me a high five in front of her friend; Asian8 kinda stood there with this look on her face…”

    Now you know everything you need to know about their dynamics. Italy8 is the shit-talking loud-mouth type, Asian8 is the quiet shy meek friend who gets overrun by Italy8 regularly. Personally I love the Italy8 types but one of my natural buddies is all about the Asian8′s. We LOVE sets like this when we’re out together lol. If he runs into an Italy8 with an Asian8 he’s into, he’ll just go “…you should meet my friend YaReally.” and bring me in to handle her lol If I meet an Asian8 who’s getting bored because her Italy8 friend I are talking shit to eachother, I’ll say “Hey, you should meet my friend Natural.”

    “Me: Cause look at you, you prolly bench like 225 (she’s pretty little)”

    All good stuff. Good vibe and playful interaction. You could have taken this one pretty far.

    “Italy8: Well what do you do?
    Me: I work at Mcdonald’s
    Italy8: Pssssh….are you full of shit?
    Me: I haven’t checked in a few hours
    Italy8: Oh fuck you, are you fucking with me right now!
    Me: (shrug)
    Italy8: Well, you gotta make at least as much as me
    Me: I’m a manager — don’t you worry, you’ll get all the hamburgers for free.”

    Flawwwwwwwwwwwwless. Beautiful. Brought a tear to my eye. The call-back humor into the free hamburgers is perfect. You’re treating an 8 who probably intimidates most guys, like a bratty little sister and just fucking with her. There was potential in this set. BUT:

    “blah blah blah blah but then they always leave.”

    Ya. ’cause you need to lead the interaction somewhere. Especially with the hotter girls. These are the situations where you have to get up in her face, grab her by the arm to lead her away, throw her on an emotional roller-coaster of highs and lows, make innuendo and make things sexual, push-pull, tease, qualify her, make her jealous, make her angry, anything and everything.

    Basically make her react to you. :) Suck her into that dream bubble of chaos that you sucked that other 8 (who you should be fucking right now ;) lol) into where she’s doing that laugh of “omg what’s going on here??!”

    “I actually feel like it’s something along the lines of ‘well fucking make a move of some kind



Alpha Male Power Moves

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via Heartiste

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on March 8, 2013 at 2:02 pm
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Heartise for King!


  • Zombie Shane
    on March 8, 2013 at 4:18 pm
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    Cutting people off

    You talk and talk. The King has a thought of his own. It could be a grand thought, or a trivial musing. It doesn’t matter, because it is the King’s thought, and that means the King will cut you off mid-sentence to regale the masses with his wit and wisdom.

    You try pulling that shit on me and you’ll be lucky if I don’t pick up a chair and crack open your God-damned skull with it.

    I’m sitting here getting furious just reading an anonymous internet blogger writing about that ploy in the abstract.

    [CH: It's funny, but as much as internet tough guys say they would smash a dude pulling this maneuver, in real life it rarely goes down like that. Instead, in real life, the alpha male gets away with it. More than gets away with it... people love him for it.]


    • Scray
      on March 8, 2013 at 6:57 pm
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      ‘You try pulling that shit on me and you’ll be lucky if I don’t pick up a chair and crack open your God-damned skull with it.’

      I interrupt people a lot these days. This never happens.


      • realmatt
        on March 8, 2013 at 8:15 pm
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        It never happens because most people are afraid of the consequences, afraid to hurt another person, afraid of crossing that line, hitting someone because you WANT to hit a person, not because he or she really did something that warrants it.

        However, responding with a swift punch to the jaw is absolutely an acceptable response to this behavior, in the world of men.

        Only in woman world do you behave like a passive aggressive cunt.

        Fear is real power. Violence is real power. It’s how a lowlife Hispanic druglord gets a sexy beauty queen roped into his world.

        When in the company of “friends”, knock out the next douche who behaves like a douchebag cunt. Then when the rest of the men present complain, challenge them.

        They’ll all back down and the cunt will know who not to fuck with.

        If you bitch about it and cry and get pissed off before hand, then you’re acting like a beta bitch.

        Women emote. Men act.

        Speak with intention. Act with intention. And never assume you can mock someone openly.


        • Scray
          on March 10, 2013 at 7:06 am
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          My social life continues to improve. On Monday, this one girl I know found some neon sunglasses. She gave them to me and said that she saw them and thought of me. Everyone I know thinks the glasses are ugly/ridiculous or whatever. However, -I- think they’re awesome.

          So the next day, I just wear a bright shirt that matches the glasses. Usually I see Jennifer6.5 around and shoot the breeze with her and her orbiters. One of her orbiters is a guy with tons of presence combined with terrible social calibration, but he’s a good-looking guy. In other words, a nightmare to deal with because he always wants to be the center of attention, never has anything cool/fun to say, and has a natural pull with girls (although his personality sinks him a high% of the time…). As example, I’m wearing the glasses, and Jennifer6.5 says that they ‘fit’ me. CaptainAMOG is quick to say ‘ya, he’s definitely peacocking.’

          Jennifer plays back with me now with the roleplaying…minor shit like ‘how is this relationship ever gonna work if you/me blah blah blah?’ CaptainAMOG attempts to break convo “I like the new Scray, from apathetic nobody to overconfident douchebag.” Jennifer6.5 smirks “…what do you mean, new?” CaptainAMOG is sure to laugh (he has a really loud, overbearing laugh). I take a breath, lean back, and then ask another guy in the group ‘you think those girls with the tight t-shirts are still giving out the free hotdogs by the quad?’ Everyone laughs at this. Jennifer6.5 shakes her head.

          I get to class late, still wearing these sunglasses. Cute7 is in this class. Cute7 is a girl who I was fairly sure seemed kinda neutral/not so into me. She did minorly play back with the roleplaying stuff early on, but it just fizzled over time. Closed body language whenever I said anything, short responses, etc. Yet, today, I’m like…fuck it, I’ll just sit right next to her. So, I walk in, and she looks at me…I just give her a big smile with the sunglasses, and she sort of rolls her eyes, smiles, and looks away — it’s a good look. I sit down, and she’s sure to compliment me on the glasses. I dunno, from this moment Cute7 and my dynamic completely changed. Not a lot of touching (I’m still a big pussy with this kind of stuff), but idk…other people have already independently said things like ‘it seems like Cute7 is into you.’ She has a boyfriend…but I keep trying to think of ways to just isolate her.

          CaptainAMOG/Jennifer6.5 interactions are probably going to teach me a lot. I’ve started noticing a pattern…J6.5 loves to just randomly drop bombs on me. But, she drops these bombs on me after I do something positive. Two Samples: I pump up the group’s state, CaptainAMOG falls into it ‘yeah, guys let’s all do something, let’s all just hang out.’

          Me: Yeah, but well…only if we drink. What’s the drink count?
          J6.5: (shakes her head)
          Me: I need a 3/4 majority to accept this offer. Has she ever even raged?
          Orbiter1 (steps behind J6.5 and vigorously nods his head behind J6.5, lets out overtly supplicating laugh): Hyuck, yuk yuk, I just wanted to make sure she didn’t see me, she’d probably hit me.
          Orbiter2: I’ll drink.
          Me: And CaptainAmog will drink, I’m sure. Just look at him. Born to rage.
          (CaptainAMOG, given the spotlight, revels, flexes, and laughs…along with the rest of the group, and then suddenly)
          J6.5: No he won’t.
          Me: Oh why not, Stalin?
          J6.5: Cause I’ll make him not, and he’s more likely to do what I tell him to do than to do what you tell him to do.
          (?!?!?!?! Jesus christ, wttttttffff….the rest of the group immediately laughs at what she says. Somehow I manage to hold the line and just sit there. That’s right, through the laughing, through the statement, and I just rockback on my heels. The group goes silent, and I don’t say anything. I just sit there. Everyone’s looking at me. Finally)
          Me: What?
          CaptainAMOG: (going for kill) Aren’t you going to say anything?
          Me: Do you need me to sanction this…?
          CaptainAMOG: Yes, I demand that you speak!
          Me: (puts hand on mouth, as if thinking)

          Me: blah blah blah (pumping positive vibes into the group…I forget what I said, but I must have said something about liking the White Stripes or whatever).
          J6.5: And you wonder why I could never love you back.
          (BOOM…again, and it gets instant laughs from each guy. In my mind I’m like ‘there’s no way that’s actually funny…either they’re uncomfortable, or they’re just tossing out all the validation they can)
          Me: I’m sooo into unrequited love.
          J6.5: In that case I’m madly in love with you.
          Me: Aaaaaah….gotcha….yuuuup…..
          J6.5: No, I was just…
          Me: Noooope….I gotcha…..you fucked up. You fucked up big time. Secret’s out. (puts on sunglasses)
          J6.5: Nope. No secret.
          (Guys in background are confused in their response….and I think I’m starting to understand why. Everything they do is keyed in to how she reacts. -Everything-)

          Nightly’s birthday was this week. So this weekend’s cold approaches were while I was obliterated. Nothing much to learn here. HOWEVER, in all of my normal interactions I have noticed that the above ‘problems’/lessons whatever, are very relevant. I think Ya is probably right….that, going into this with a huge handicap, I’m just going to get a ton of shit thrown at me. Especially now that I’m getting more invites, hanging with cooler people, blah blah blah.

          So was J6.5 shit testing me, tooling me? Really an academic question at the moment. The usefulness is just in the fact that she obviously enjoys controlling frames. She also clearly expects my frame to be weak. CaptainAMOG presents the same sort of learning potential. I mean, now that I’m interacting with a lot more people…this pattern is there. I really think that I’m on the verge of a huge breakthrough….


          • YaReally
            on March 12, 2013 at 6:22 pm
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            Your instincts are right, there’s a lot of learning to come out of this interaction here.

            I’m heading out the door but I’ll blab about it in-depth later.

            Quick homework notes:

            - who has the strongest frame in that interaction? Does captainAMOG fall into her frame? So who REALLY has the highest value? And, knowing who’s value is the highest, who do you get the most overall attraction for not reacting/qualifying/supplicating to? :)

            - how legitimately funny is what the girl says? Why does everyone laugh except you? Is it because you didn’t get her jokes or because of a social dynamic? And how does this concept of “high value + strong frame = unfunny jokes become funny” translate into pickup/seduction in general? Why does the high school cheerleader laugh at everything the quarterback says when it isn’t even funny, and why does an unconfident comedian telling an objectively funny joke bomb?

            - which comments by CaptainAMOG and which shit-tests by the chick legitimately affected your frame or value? And which responses by you to these things legitimately affected your value, up or down?

            - what impressions of you would you say each person left that interaction with? In terms of your frame, your confidence, your value, what place in the value hierarchy you came across as in the group, etc.?

            Think on this stuff and I’ll be back with a thorough breakdown of what all went on there.


    • realmatt
      on March 8, 2013 at 7:39 pm
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      [CH: It's funny, but as much as internet tough guys say they would smash a dude pulling this maneuver, in real life it rarely goes down like that. Instead, in real life, the alpha male gets away with it. More than gets away with it... people love him for it.]

      I believe it depends on the environment in which these tactics are being used. They would only work in a faggot office environment or in your social life where you’re just kicking back, or THINK you’re kicking back, not realizing that’s where all the women are doing their real work, not noticing the jerkoffs trying to control the situation and getting all the stupid pussy in the room.

      I guess since I work in construction where everyone is a bit hot headed and testosterone fueled already, no one hesitates to tell the other guy to shut the fuck up. The only person who would do any of this with impunity is the foreman and only to an extent because he knows everyone’s tired, pissed off and ready to murder someone by lunchtime.

      You’ll find many construction workers are extremely polite at work for these reasons.

      It’s a different world. One is the physical and the other is the mental. Office workers, all non labor intensive workers, exist in the bullshit rhetoric illusion of the mental world. It’s nonsense and they’re living a lie most of the time and that’s really the only place these power moves would work without you getting pummeled.

      If you do it in your family’s house your dad is going to rain fire down upon you, if you still have one, or your mother will nag you to death, etc.

      No one’s an Alpha all the time. If you try to be, prepare to be pummeled or written off by people you formerly were close to.

      There’s Alpha, the true leader, and then there’s the Jerkoff who’s tolerated because no one gives a shit enough. Let’s not be too broad with the terminology here.


      • Scray
        on March 11, 2013 at 4:56 pm
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        ‘If you’re not outwardly interesting, no one will feel compelled to be around you. If you have to go out of your way to present something to them, you’re a chump and your life will unmemorable and if you’re desperate for them to feel this way toward you, good luck. If you behave in the manner described in the OP, you’re a cunt and deserve what ever bad thing happens to you, and the people doing that know this which is why no one I’ve ever known who behaves that way does so to someone with a reputation for hurting people. ‘

        Lol, define ‘outwardly interesting.’ This is how I read this: I must be superficially interesting. Now, if I try to convey my interesting qualities to a group, I’m a chump. If I try to gain status by using the ‘alpha behaviors,’ I’m a cunt. So pretty much, unless people immediately notice that I rule, I should fuck off and die.

        What if the guy AMOGing you is bigger/stronger/would probably beat you in a physical confrontation? Please explain how you would handle this.


        • YaReally
          on March 11, 2013 at 6:52 pm
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          Silly Scray, don’t you know that no one is bigger/stronger or could possibly beat realmatt in a physical confrontation? He’s too much of a badass in his own mind lol

          Fuck learning how to be socially smooth and create good energy and diffuse negative/hostile situations with words…let’s all just punch eachother’s lights out until the biggest badass is left standing!!



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Scray
on March 3, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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FR —>

The week in general has been good. Personally, I’m starting to think that a lot of this boils down to frame control. It’s such a weird, simple thing. So, anyway, I’m starting to expand my circle of friends. Like, now instead of just walking with that one girl out of class, I make sure the entire group walks with me. And a quick exchange the other day made me realize that this shit is mostly about hanging on to your identity.

Me: Hey man what’s your last name, I’ll add you on fb or something
Dude: Oh yeah, it’s cubanlastname…
Me: Oh, hey wasn’t Ricky Ricardo cuban…or was that puerto rican? He played the bongos. (me asking to entertain myself, everyone else thinks it’s funny)
Natural: What the fuck, oh yeah…what if I just was like…hey Scray, you black, OJ was black.
Me: Nah…it has to be a positive person. Like, Scray, you’re part black? MICHAEL JORDAN IS BLACK, WOWOWOWOOWWOOWOWOWOWOW!
(Everyone laughs)
Girl: See, this is why we’re more likely to get mugged with you around.

In the past I would have been upset by this comment. Like ‘why don’t you liiiiiiike me.’
Me: Ya, totally. We’ve already been mugged like 8 times by ravenous integrated cuban-black gangs on the warpath. (smirk)
Natural: (laughs) Fucken Scray…

I endeavor to just entertain myself at this point. Like, it’s just funny to say ‘I love you’ to girls in my social circle. What’s weird is that, when I first started this off, there were a few girls who were like…I don’t want to say ‘creeped’ out by me kind of hitting on them but definitely not really receptive. Now that I just do it to everyone and have light, fun interactions, those same people are like ‘well now I don’t feel special..’ or ‘wait, I thought you loved me…’ or ‘you loved me first!’ Especially when they’re in the presence of another girl who’s really eating up the ‘love you/we’re soulmates’ bit. Thus far my response is just to pretend like I don’t even remember saying it to them in the first place. Even the appearance of pre-selection seems to be a big switch.

It’s way better to have a reputation as a guy who hits on a lot of girls than as a nothing. Of course, the best reputation would be a guy who hits on a lot of girls and has sex with a lot of girls :D

I’m also starting to plan hangouts, which apparently is pretty important. Good practice in general.

Thurs:
I hangout with this soft5/4.5/4 (Idk, she’s like a shapeshifter); I just kind of say whatever I want with her. She’s pretty into me, but I’m after her friend HB6Lovely. We get lunch, talk about stuff — I make sure to be real flirty and stuff. She wants to hang out more, but I cut the interaction short.

The night’s kind of wasted because Nightly can’t go out, and I get dragged to a bar by my friends. It was a fun bar, and I had a good time meeting new people.

Friday:
One of our friends, TinyCute6, is visiting town and throws herself a birthday party at a bar/club. In one of my earlier field reports, this is the one who I said didn’t respect me as a ‘man.’ So, this time, I get there…and the vibe is different. Lots of hugging, and one of the girls I say ‘love you to’ is also there. Naturally, I immediately start with the roleplay again. Just fun banter. TinyCute gets my attention to ask if I’ve been working out. I nod, and she says she can tell. She does some stupid dance move and I’m like ‘do that again.’ And then she says ‘you wish, it was the greatest ever.’ Me: ‘prove it. (smirk)’ Then she leads me to the dancefloor. Sudden spike in buying temperature?

Fuck if I know. It happens too fast for me to take much advantage of the situation. Or…actually, we get to the dancefloor and we’re close and she does the dance move. Now, I can dance, but I’m just too much of a pussy to see how far I can escalate this. Mostly because our friends can see us, and a rejection here would be a massive DLV. So, my optimal response in this spot?

‘I give it a 5-6.’ then smirk and leave her there, dancing. If I can’t muster up the balls to escalate, at least C&F and leave or something. Idk.

Saturday:
Finally me and Nightly get it together to go out and cold approach. However, we get there late…we’re talking like 1230. Nightly doesn’t believe me, but I swear by Odin’s beard that the real talent leaves by 11-12. I notice a huge difference in the after hours versus the earlier hours. As the night goes on, the hot babe resource pool slowly shrinks until every halfway decent babe has legions of satellite chodes in orbit.

I realize that the only way to actually quell my AA is to do a warm-up set. Me and Nightly walk into our first venue, and he opens after almost no time. Since he’s only talking to one girl, I just say ‘hey I’m gonna find Nicole brb’ to leave him with this girl.

On my pass back from the bar, I open a 4 and a 5. It’s the ‘best friend died..’ my delivery is getting better. They’re having a good time. The 4 seems real into telling me how fucked up it is, but I’m not really paying attention to her. There’s a guy there in the set, I tell him the same thing. He wants to get into a deep discussion about it. The interaction is going well. My state is pumped. And so, in the middle of it — because I didn’t come out to talk to 4′s and 5′s — I leave.

I notice that at this time of night, all the hot girls are in mixed sets. I’m too much of a pussy to open those. So…we go to another bar. I open a set…a 4 and her 7.5 friend. Logistics force me into closer proximity to the 4 than the 7.5. I deliver the best friend dead opener. The 7.5 and the 4 both frown at me. I just smirk back. Let’s see who blinks first. The 7.5 rolls her eyes and turns away, but the 4 is more willing to chat. Blah blah blah, my strategy here with the 4 is just to try and chat her up and bust on her friend. I try this, the 4 laughs at my jokes, but the 7.5 just sits there, steadfast in her looking away resolve. The 4 finally interjects, “yeah she and her husband are fighting.”

Me: That girl is MARRIED? HAHAHHAAHA, NO WONDER!
7.5 turns around and kind of shakes her head at me
Me: Sup. (smirk)
7.5: You should just leave.
Me: (to the 4) Is she always like this? (even though it’s a classic PUA line, I actually just said it because that’s how I felt lol)

The 4 kind of shrugs with a bit of laughter. I don’t know what to do, so I just eject. Goddammit. Essentially got told to leave and left. Phuck.

Guess who’s at this bar upstairs? HBLovely6, Friendly4, and — oh shit, THEY have hot friends too? So both of them are all on me and stuff. I don’t really even focus on it, and instead, I start talking to their friends — an easy 7 and an 8 (there’s another 7.5, but Nightly starts talking to her).

I notice that, although I have a stack, when I’m in the presence of legitimately attractive girls, I find myself running out of shit to say. Like I just forget what comes next. This is technically a warm approach, and I didn’t get to open with a joke or anything. I kinda was just like ‘hey who are you, I know you know them, but they’re being rude and won’t introduce us.’
Keep in mind, that at odd intervals Friendly4 and HBLovely6 are touching me and talking about how much they love me or whatever. So like, it was a funny interaction, because here I am trying to do this digit ratio/you’re the dominant one and you’re the submissive one stuff, and they’re just giving me this strange look. Like, they can’t quite understand why their friends seem so into me. I’m not saying they were going crazy with attraction, but the entire vibe I got from them as I was talking was…’who is this strange person?’ Kinda like I was some sort of new cell a scientist was looking at under a microscope.

I stumble over my words at some point…and just at that time Friendly4 actually steps in. I’m pretty sure that she was jealous I was talking to her friends, rather than her. So, I just go with my same attitude I have — it’s not like I’m not going to never see these people again. Just bounce on a high note.

Me and Nightly go downstairs. I see two tall girls — 6-6.5. Best friend died opener. I fumble the delivery, and the 6 is like ‘that’s a terrible joke.’ I’m like ‘hahaha, I’m just fucking with you, he isn’t dead…’ but the way it came out wasn’t correct. It was supplicating. I could feel it. The other one starts to give her answer, but — and maybe this was a premature ejectuation — I just turn like I got distracted by something and buzz off. I talk to Nightly for a few seconds, then he opens a one set. I decide to leave, but this time, I don’t say anything.

I run into HBLovely6 and co. again — it’s crowded as hell, and I’m just looking around for a set to open. AFC phalanxes guard almost every set at this time of night. So anyway, I forget what happened but Friendly4 did the whole ‘break up with me’ thing for some reason. And then HBLovely6 is like ‘ya that threesome isn’t happening now.’
Me: Ya, now it’s a twosome (smirk)
Then Friendly4 and her immediately make up with me, take pictures with me, are all touchy. Lol, what’s funny is that I know 100% that I can bang Lovely, and I find myself growing less interested. I mean….I’ll shoot her a text probably and see what’s up, but I think it’s like 70-80% it’s on. And I know that if I don’t act on all of this touching and shit soon, it’ll all be for naught. For now, I just follow my rule of ‘if you don’t know how to escalate, take it further, be cooler…leave…be scarce.’ So I do just that. I actually hear HBLovely6 say ‘oh Scray is just too cool for us, other bitches to bang…he was laughing and talking with some other girls downstairs.’

Lol@perception.

Finally, in another spin through the venue, Nightly spots a group of three insanely hot girls. Nosering8.5 is my target. I’m really attracted to her. Like it’s beyond just she’s an objective 8-8.5. I’m really digging her look and her vibe. So, here I go to the bar and open over the shoulder. Nosering8.5 is talking to Whiteshirt7.5…..Whiteshirt immediately turns away after my opener. Nosering8.5 has a shocked reaction to my opener, and I soften it up by saying I’m fucking with her. I also notice that I immediately…like WAY TOO FAST…turn toward her. She gives me her answer….and I freeze up.

Me: Oh yeah, did your nose ring tell you that answer (wtf DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURF)
Her: What? Uh yeah…
Me: I like your nosering (HERPITY DERPITY HERPY DERP DERP)
Her: Thanks…
Me: (goes to the bar, still under the effects of paroxysmal retardation)

Nightly: I LIKE YOUR NOSE RING….AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
…those girls were fucking fine as fuck though.

We bounce from that venue. We’re walking on the street, and suddenly Nightly is like ‘hey this three set over here is yours.’ It was a three set…mixed bag. Petite6, 4, 5. Nothing special. Here we go…

Me: Best friend opener…(their eyes widen, and then…)
First-set4.5: (on the street a few feet away, pointing) STOP ASKING THAT QUESTION, IT’S A FUCKED UP QUESTION!
(I look over at her…oh shit, lol what are the odds. I point at her, grinning)
Me: WHO ARE YOU, THE FUCKED UP POLICE? QUIT STALKING ME!
(The Petite6 seems to know the 4.5, and the Petite6 wanders closer to the 4.5…so I walk over there)
Me: (the 4.5 is being fat talkin about how fucked up I am, blah blah blah…I focus on the other one) So who are you?
Petite6: Her friend
Me: Wow, get some fucking self-esteem already…(to the 4.5) IS THIS HOW YOU TREAT YOUR FRIENDS? I ASK FOR NAMES AND IDENTITIES, AND ALL THEY CAN SAY, IS ‘YOUR FRIEND.’
4.5: What, she has a lot of self-esteem?!
Me: SILENCE, I’m not going to be a party to your mental trickery.
Petite6: Hey, look…..just don’t be fucked up.
Me: I don’t take orders from fun nazis.
Petite6: Oh my god, this guy
Me: Oh my god, this guy
Petite6: You’re just like
Me: You’re just like
Petite6: (snickers) Wtf why is he…
Me: Wtf why is he…
Petite6: (Turns to her friend) …copyingmesomuchohmygod!
Me: (pause, smirk) You look real stupid right now.
Petite6: Don’t be so childish
Me: MAKE ME
Petite6(turns away to laugh)
4.5: Yeah this city is REALLY SHADY…JUST SAYING
Me: Ya, totally.
4.5: And some of the people are really shady.
Me: I’m a motherfucking umbrella.
Petite6: You’re kind of shady.
Me: Prove it. (she blinks…but it’s because she doesn’t know how to react to me…ah finally, this reaction. I turn to 4.5) Let me guess, you guys are from the burbs and can’t handle yourselves on the street?
4.5: This place doesn’t have suburbs.
Me: WHAT THE FUCK? HAHAHA RIDICULOUS
(I actually start to walk away, right then and there. fuck it. They call me back, blah blah blah we’re girls who can yell, blah blah blah. I walk back and point at Petite6)
Me: You know what you are? You’re a nonsense person. That’s the WORST kind of person. (smirk)
Petite6(looks deathly serious all of sudden, gets in my face, arms folded) Okay, you need to walk the fuck away. Just walk the fuck away, seriously.
Me: (oh shit, have I misread the vibe) Is that right?
Petite6(Gets closer, looks pretty fucking pissed) Yeah. Step off little guy.
Me: (I’ve already been told to leave and left once tonight. There comes a time in every man’s life, when he must choose between a life of shuffling off into the darkness like a good little boy or remaining and just weathering what storms may come…is she gonna slap me? scream? get some WhiteKnights to kick my ass? Oh fucking well)(smirk…stands there, holding eye contact)
Petite6: 5………..4………………………(pause)
Me: (leans in as if she forgot the next number, ) 3…
Petite6 (Her serious facade crumbles, and there it is — a smile, quick…did I just pass some form of weird shit test? If so…that’d be the first one ever, I think)..2….1…..
Me: (blink…smirk)
Petite6: You seriously just need to leave.
Me: (coolest thing I’ve done so far right here…I put my hands on both of her cheeks…she puts her hands over my hands……..)
Petite6: What’s your name?
Me: I need to leave, remember, who needs names for that.
Petite6: (Another fleeting smile)

And then…..some ANGRY fucking guy literally yanks her away from me. ‘Come the fuck on! we’re going, let’s get the fuck out of here, blah blah blah’
I blink a few times, and she’s like ‘I’ll see you later’ as she’s getting dragged away. I’m not going to be a smartass to him or anything…learned my lesson the last time.

I’m kind of left there in a daze for a moment.
I wander over to Nightly
Nightly: That was………………awesome. One of the coolest things I’ve seen.

I only opened one other set after that. Two girls, 5 and a 7. It actually went pretty well, just riffing with them and stuff. Both of them were married and had babies though. Not my thing……………….yet, I guess.

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Now that I’m focusing on just saying stuff that entertains ME, I’m having a better time. Consistently have good opens with girls in the 5-7 range these days. Hotter girls…well…still difficult.

I think this month is going to be the month where I just start saying random shit to girls during the day. My confidence is getting to that level.


  • YaReally
    on March 5, 2013 at 6:20 pm
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    “Personally, I’m starting to think that a lot of this boils down to frame control.”

    Yep. Both frame controlling other people (“no, this situation is normal, don’t be weird.”) and frame controlling yourself (“no, that wasn’t embarrassing, it just loosened me up so I can be more awesome”).

    You can do a LOT with frame control. Steve Jobs was said to have a “reality distortion field” where he could convince people to go along with his ideas…he just had really good frame control. I use it to turn people’s moods around, avoid fights, make girls feel comfortable with fast escalation, recover from fucking up, etc.

    “And a quick exchange the other day made me realize that this shit is mostly about hanging on to your identity. ”

    Your big problem when you started posting FRs here was that you didn’t HAVE an Identity. :) Over the past couple months you’ve learned a lot more about who Scray “IS”. That’s important for a man to know. Most men don’t have a clue who they are and let society dictate that for them, and women are actively encouraged NOT to know who they are.

    “Natural: (laughs) Fucken Scray…”

    This kind of stuff is how Naturals indicate that they respect you. It might not last, it might just be for that moment, but alpha recognizes alpha. You’ll be surprised to find out down the road that a lot of Naturals actually have fairly weak frames under the surface, paper tiger style. They seem very sure of themselves, but it’s only because no one has ever confronted them or questioned them (because other people have even weaker frames). So when they run into someone who’s more sure of themselves than they are they don’t know what to do and often end up falling into that person’s frame.

    “when I first started this off, there were a few girls who were like…I don’t want to say ‘creeped’ out by me kind of hitting on them but definitely not really receptive. Now that I just do it to everyone and have light, fun interactions, those same people are like ‘well now I don’t feel special..’ or ‘wait, I thought you loved me…’ or ‘you loved me first!’”

    This is because before you were doing it to get a reaction, now you’re doing it with self-amusement. Before, your sub-communications indicated you hoped they wouldn’t be creeped out which indicates that there’s a possibility they could be creeped out, so they were creeped out. Now your sub-communications indicate that you expect them to enjoy it because it’s not even possible that they could be creeped out by it, so they enjoy it.

    This is frame control and a bunch of other concepts in action. Don’t even bother thinking about it too much lol I could break down all the little stuff going on, but the main concept to take away from it is that coming from a place of self-amusement is important and demonstrates a lot of attractive qualities about you.

    “Thus far my response is just to pretend like I don’t even remember saying it to them in the first place.”

    Yup. Frame control again. “Oh man you just spilled beer all over your shirt!” “Nah. Didn’t happen.” “What?” “Didn’t happen.” “But I saw you–” “Nah don’t worry about it. (change subject)”

    “Even the appearance of pre-selection seems to be a big switch.”

    It’s all baby steps. :) Like I say, you aren’t going to go from uggos at the bar sneering at you to banging 10s in a month. But you should be able to look at your day to day life and general social life and notice a significant positive difference compared to a few months ago. Or a year ago. This progress will continue and in a few years you won’t even recognize the Scray who posted his first FR here lol

    I like your posting here because to me it helps shit on the anti-game guys. We’re watching a dude go through the process of improving his game and social life and eventually sex left live each week.

    “Of course, the best reputation would be a guy who hits on a lot of girls and has sex with a lot of girls :D

    lol…in time. :) That reputation will be great for you as a short guy, because it’ll be more intriguing/curious than the same reptuation for a tall generically good-looking guy who people would just assume that of to begin with. You’ll be the “what is it about this guy that everyone else knows that I haven’t figured out yet?” puzzle to girls which will draw them to you just on that at times.

    “and the vibe is different. Lots of hugging”

    IOI (if you mean TinyCute is hugging you, and she didn’t before).

    “TinyCute gets my attention to ask if I’ve been working out.”

    IOI.

    “and she says she can tell.”

    IOI.

    “I’m like ‘do that again.’”

    Compliance test (hoop for her to jump through) from you.

    “And then she says ‘you wish, it was the greatest ever.’”

    She tries to hold the frame with a shit-test instead of compliance to jumping through your hoop. But because of her other IOIs, this is her flirting, not being a bitch. She’s just doing the back-and-forth teasing/flirting certain personality types (like myself) love.

    “Me: ‘prove it. (smirk)’”

    Another compliance test/hoop by you. VS asking her to show you again, or agreeing with her about it being a great dance move, etc. You’re challenging her.

    “Then she leads me to the dancefloor.”

    IOI. That’s like, 3 or 4 now.

    “Sudden spike in buying temperature?”

    Yup. You’ve become intriguing/interesting to her now.

    “we get to the dancefloor and we’re close”

    IOI. There’s no logical reason she couldn’t have done the move back where you were first standing where she DID THE MOVE already lol She was hoping for a little isolation from the group to allow you to escalate (if you were some smooth-ass dancer type guy that could dance with her and escalate).

    “and she does the dance move.”

    Finally complying with the “Prove it.” hoop you set. IOI.

    “I’m just too much of a pussy to see how far I can escalate this. Mostly because our friends can see us, and a rejection here would be a massive DLV.”

    lol that’s fine. She’s social circle, you don’t have to rush escalating social circle girls. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t escalate with them in front of everyone because that can trigger their ASD (“everyone can see me being a slut!!”). I have a super short ugly scrawny little buddy who’s just really social with everyone…you would never expect him to be the type to get laid regularly, but he arranges situations where he can isolate girls from the group and then he escalates in private. Dude slays girls you would never expect him to get lol I was mind-blown when I first met him. He keeps it all discreet so the rest of the social circle never knows the chick hooked up with him.

    “‘I give it a 5-6.’ then smirk and leave her there, dancing.”

    lol I do this kind of thing too, if I get stuck on the dance floor. I don’t dance at all, so if I get dragged to the dance floor I use it as an opportunity to fuck around and do stuff like just suddenly walk away. Or turn my back to her and pretend I don’t know her. Or talk to her without dancing at all and see if I can get her to fall into my frame of not dancing and just talking in the middle of the dance floor, etc.

    Leave her stranded on a high note, like you saw someone more important. That’s better than DLV’ing yourself. You just see her later and say “Where did you go? I missed you, lover.” as if she was the one that ditched you when she knows it was the other way around lol (emotional drama/roller-coaster as she tries to compute what just happened)

    “However, we get there late…we’re talking like 1230.”

    I hate that. Especially if I’m not drinking. The party is already in full swing and a lot of chicks are too drunk to understand what I’m saying and a lot of guys have their liquid courage finally and have imaginary “dibs” on the girls, etc. etc. The earlier the better to me. I don’t even mind being one of the first 10 people in the bar…I just walk over to whoever else got there early and joke around about us being raging alcoholics to be there so early and now I have new friends for the night and anyone who arrives later has no idea I’m not BFFs with them lol

    “I swear by Odin’s beard that the real talent leaves by 11-12.”

    You’re not crazy. The hottest girls don’t stay there chugging fattening beer from 10pm – 2am and sloppily make out with guys all night until they get shoved into a cab by some shit-faced dude. They have reputations to upkeep because they know everyone is watching them because they’re so hot, and they know that working their way up the social ladder with their hotness means they’ll end up with access to social circles involving the manager of the club who will give them access to the higher-end social circles that often involve celebrities and coke (if they’re into that) and rich dudes etc.

    So they come in, strut around and dance for an hour or so, have a drink or two, and then GTFO before everyone gets drunk and sloppy and they have to put up with loser guys who were scared to approach them an hour earlier, now stumbling over to them thinking they have a shot. Also a couple hotter girls (but who weren’t the hottest around 11), will stay till the end because they get off on the validation of now being the hottest girls in the room lol

    Past midnight it’s often just the average girls and uggos left, depending on the bar/enviro/crowd. Those are the ones drinking themselves into a stupor and falling down on the dance floor flashing their crotches and slurring at 2am lol The smokin’ hot girl is having a low-key drink with the manager of another club or at a private party, or home in bed getting a good night’s sleep so she doesn’t get bags under her eyes.

    This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t still go out and practice cold approaching if it’s late. Tyler would land in a new city at 1:30am and go get 20 minutes of approaching in. It builds the habits of going out and talking to strangers, and you never know what you’ll run into.

    “He wants to get into a deep discussion about it.”

    lol most guys are actually nice/cool dudes. It’s just that a lot of guys (PUAs especially) look at them as competition/obstacles right from the start and it sets a whole antagonistic battle frame. It’s better to joke around and shoot the shit with them and make their night more fun. Guys buy me drinks/shots/etc. all the time after like 3 minutes of conversation, because I’m a fun dude and they’re thankful I came along to make their night more interesting. I’ll usually reciprocate by grabbing random chicks walking by and introducing them to the guys then walk away and hope they make it work. They usually don’t, but that little act of kindness blows their mind because they were just going to chode around being too scared to approach girls all night and I threw them into the cold end of the pool and got their night started lol so they’re my BFFs for the night there.

    If I need to make a new social circle (like I’m in a new city), I’ll shoot the shit with them a bit more and we’ll exchange contact info and now I have new buddies to go out and party with.

    “The interaction is going well. My state is pumped.”

    Good stuff, that was the point. Warm-up sets are important. Get yourself in there, build reference experiences in your brain that “okay if I talk to random strangers, I won’t get killed by another caveman, it’s fine to do this” and it’ll open up and let you hit state.

    “in the middle of it — because I didn’t come out to talk to 4′s and 5′s — I leave.”

    lol This is something guys should play with in general too. Imagine what walking away without saying a word, from a 9 while she’s in mid-sentence qualifying herself about something would do to her hamster. :)

    “I notice that at this time of night, all the hot girls are in mixed sets.”

    Yep. Often they don’t know the guys, but those were the guys who worked up the balls to approach and no other guy will approach a mixed set, so the girls are stuck with them and just go along for the ride because it’s better than standing around getting oogled by guys with no balls to say hello. Or the guys are managers etc. trying to move in and flash a bunch of value and the girls are just playing the social ladder game lol

    Sometimes the girls are legit into those guys, but I’m just saying in general there’s a lot of leeway in terms of how “taken” those hot girls actually are. In time you’ll learn to read the body language of whether or not girls are into guys or whether the guys are just trying to hit on them but failing and you can swoop in to rescue the girl etc.

    “I’m too much of a pussy to open those.”

    lol all good. You can do that down the road. For now you’re building the foundation of your social/flirting skills. You’ll build more layers on this later.

    “The 7.5 and the 4 both frown at me. I just smirk back. Let’s see who blinks first.”

    lol good stuff. This is called building resistance to social pressure. This is the kind of thing that builds that strength to ignore shit-tests from 9s and 10s when they try to test you by giving you a bad reaction to see how you’ll handle holding your frame or if you’ll get sucked into theirs.

    I’ve known girls who literally on purpose won’t say a word to a guy who approaches them for the first like 3 minutes…just to see what he does. They might even like the guy, they just want to know what kind of man he is…will he talk himself out of the whole interaction and eject thinking she must be rejecting him because he doesn’t deserve her? Or will he keep talking because he’s self-amusing and just assuming that she must be into him and will eventually open up? Which guy do you think she wants to date/fuck, you know?

    “Blah blah blah, my strategy here with the 4 is just to try and chat her up and bust on her friend.”

    Good, this is the optimal strategy in this situ. Work with the receptive girl, and use her to open her friend up. The longer it goes on that her group likes you and the more of them in that group that like you, the more social pressure there is on her to conform to the group and lighten up and like you. So you’re just using that social pressure tactic on her, the same move she was trying to use on you lol

    “I try this, the 4 laughs at my jokes, but the 7.5 just sits there, steadfast in her looking away resolve.”

    All good, she thinks you’ll crack. She doesn’t know you know wtf you’re doing and have the confidence to assume your frame is going to win out.

    “Me: That girl is MARRIED? HAHAHHAAHA, NO WONDER!”

    lol good. She can’t NOT respond to this. It’s offensive and she’ll shit-test you…BUT, you have her attention. :) It’s tricky to turn it around but it’s possible. A lot of my game is based on turning around girls who initially hate me or are offended by me lol

    “7.5: You should just leave.”

    More shit-testing, trying to get you to fall into her frame. She legit probably doesn’t like you and isn’t interested and will keep shitting on you, but you did good to push it this far instead of giving up at the initial eye-roll.

    “Me: (to the 4) Is she always like this? (even though it’s a classic PUA line, I actually just said it because that’s how I felt lol)”

    Again this is the optimal strategy. Ignore what she said to you and instead bust on her via her friend. There’s a REASON this is a classic PUA line and Mystery uses it all the time lol

    “The 4 kind of shrugs with a bit of laughter. I don’t know what to do, so I just eject.”

    The 4′s frame is weaker than the 7.5′s…she was having fun but now that she knows the 7.5 definitely isn’t going to warm up to you, and you can’t turn it around, she has to fall into the 7.5′s frame since you’re the new guy to the group. She doesn’t necessarily WANT to, but she doesn’t have the value clout to keep interacting with you. If the 4 were like, a 9, she wouldn’t give a fuck about her sour-puss friend and would keep talking to you and the 7.5 would fall in line. Or if the 4 were like, 4 girls in her group who all loved you so she was the 1 out of 5 that was being a bitch, she’d fall in line. But the 4 knows the 7.5 runs the show.

    “Goddammit. Essentially got told to leave and left. Phuck.”

    Nah, didn’t happen. ;) You took that way further than most guys would. Doesn’t matter if you didn’t make the shot, you played it optimally and gave it your best. You can’t control the outcome, but you can control your actions and you did good with what the universe threw at you. This is the kind of stuff you do that tells me you can get good at this stuff quickly. A LOT of guys will spend their first YEAR prematurely ejecting sets instead of sticking them out and learning to handle the social pressure and trying to turn them around. Those guys progress slow as fuck and often give up and then become whiny anti-gamers.

    In a way, a guy going into learning game with what society would label as a disadvantage (height, looks, race, lack of money, bad teeth, etc.) can often progress faster than a good-looking rich tall guy because they’ll get shit-tested a lot more…and that shit-testing, like tearing your muscles at the gym, builds your game/identity/etc., like your muscles build when they recover.

    Tyler is good at what he does because as a 5’9″ balding skinny ginger with an annoying voice he HAD to get good lol

    “I don’t really even focus on it, and instead, I start talking to their friends”

    Solid play here. Imagine how that looks to the new girls. Their friends are suddenly all over this short dude, and instead of the guy jizzing himself at the attention because he’s a desperate little loser stereotype, he’s like “ya ya, keep it in your pants ladies, who are your friends here?” like you don’t have a single fuck to give about the situation. That’s a pretty badass introduction if you can roll into some solid game from there. :)

    Also this is the kind of game I figure will suit you the best down the road, as a short but social guy. Where you’re using your social proof to lay new girls who are curious who you are. EVERY set opens up when you have a girl on your arm lol

    Down the road you could do stuff like stop your girls at the entrance before you walk in and have them stand on each side of you with an arm in your arm so you walk into the club looking like Heffner with a girl on each arm. Adam Lyons, who had large social circles of chicks, would do stuff like arrange theme nights where he’d have all the girls dress in, say, white dresses, and he’d be the only guy wearing a white suit and meet up before the bar, then head to the bar as a group and walk in with the girls like a boss:

    “I notice that, although I have a stack, when I’m in the presence of legitimately attractive girls, I find myself running out of shit to say.”

    lol. This is your sense of entitlement. Basically how hot can the girl be before you start stumbling for your words trying to think of stuff to say that will “get” them (VS being outcome independent) is the level of hotness you feel entitled to. As time goes on and you gain reference experience with those girls, your sense of entitlement will go up and you’ll be self-amusing with 8s the way you self-amuse with 4s, and you’ll get the exact same reactions the 4s give you (attraction, adoration, etc.).

    This is part of why I encourage you to go for the hotter girls when you see them. It’s a short-cut to building a higher sense of entitlement. A lot of guys will dick around for years with ugly/average girls and even after like 3 years of cold approaching and banging hundreds of ugly/average girls, they’ll be chickenshit and stumble around the hot girls the way you did because they didn’t approach any of them and build that reference experience based sense of entitlement with the hotter ones…so it’s like what was the point of those 3 years, ya know? I was guilty of this myself for my first few years of pickup. Now I force myself to talk to the hotter girls, even if I know I’ll probably choke and make an ass of myself lol That just gives me another reference experience that it won’t kill me to embarrass myself in front of an 8+, which helps with the next girl I approach.

    “I kinda was just like ‘hey who are you, I know you know them, but they’re being rude and won’t introduce us.’”

    This is solid. I use this myself, especially when my wing and a chick in a 2-set hit it off instantly and the other girl is awkwardly standing there and neither of us have been introduced. I’ll just force the introduction and build an “us VS them” frame of our friends are rude as fuck and we’re going to have to watch them make out all night lol

    On a more subtle note, this is sub-communicating that you take charge and don’t wait around for other people to make shit happen for you. You want to know who these girls are, so you force it to happen, that’s a man who takes control of the world around him. DHV shit right there, especially when you have the social proof of girls hanging off you already.

    See how a lot of PUA is about stacking the deck in your favor? You’re not growing 6-pack abs or another foot of height, you’re just learning how to line up a lot of little high-value things to create situations with new girls where you come off as extremely high value right from the start which is just maximizing how you display your value, VS minimizing it which is what most shy guys do (they can be AMAZING dudes, but they don’t know how to display that so the girls don’t KNOW they’re amazing).

    “Keep in mind, that at odd intervals Friendly4 and HBLovely6 are touching me and talking about how much they love me or whatever.”

    Solid. I would almost NOT bang these two and stick to just flirting and use them as social proof whenever you run into them, to get other girls. Some girls will like you but not be touching you or raving about you, and those are no good for social proof. But girls who are all up in your grill in public like that in front of other girls are awesome for social proofing you with the rest of the girls in the room or your social circle, which leads to hotter girls.

    Doesn’t even matter that they’re not 8+ girls, social proof even from a 4 helps make a 9 wonder why you’re being awesome to the 4 instead of her.

    “the entire vibe I got from them as I was talking was…’who is this strange person?’”

    lol you aren’t fitting into their default categorization of what a short dude is supposed to be like (lame and shy and not attractive to girls and having a chip on his shoulder about his height etc.) so it’s frying their circuits because now they have to put a new label on you and don’t know what label you fit in yet because they haven’t seen this before.

    If you just stick through it and hold your frame long enough (90/10 rule, they’re too busy analyzing you to go 50/50 so you fill in the conversation until they click into play), eventually their brains will catch up and they’ll just fall into line with your frame of “this is totally normal and you shouldn’t be weirded out by what’s going on”.

    You don’t necessarily have legit ATTRACTION yet, but you have the building blocks OF it…ie – if you stick it out long enough and run some solid game, those girls will often 180 into massive buying temperature spikes of attraction in a really short window of time.

    Imagine, at this point, you said “Hey, I need a drink, come with me.” and held out your hand to one of these new girls who’s seen you with her friends all up on you. Then she stares at you like “uhhh…” and you just hold your frame (who’s gonna’ blink first?) and hold your hand out and go “Shh. Don’t be weird. Come.” and twiddle your fingers.

    It’s EXTREMELY likely in that situation that she’s going to go “well, my friends love him, and I’m curious about who the fuck he is, and he just wants to go over to the bar and get a drink it’s not like he’s inviting me into his bedroom so ummm I guess I’ll go on this adventure and see what happens…?” and take your hand and as you drag her away she’ll girl-code her friends like “wtf am I doing?? what’s going on??” lol

    Then you have isolation with a girl who has seen you do a bunch of high-value shit. You can bust on her for looking like a deer in the headlights and get her laughing, and then just switch gears into qualifying her and building comfort/rapport etc. and work from there.

    “I’m pretty sure that she was jealous I was talking to her friends, rather than her.”

    Yup. But that’s fine. :) And you can bust her on it in front of them for much amusement lol

    “it’s not like I’m not going to never see these people again. Just bounce on a high note.”

    Yup. No rush with social circle. And like I say, I wouldn’t even bang these two. Ideally down the road their friends will be with them again and you’ll end up in or be able to construct a logistical scenario where you all end up at an “afterparty” together where you can isolate and escalate on one of her hot friends. :)

    “It was supplicating. I could feel it.”

    A big difference between AFCs and PUAs is that the AFC can’t tell he’s fucking up, or he can tell that “SOMETHING” is off, like in the pit of his stomache, but he doesn’t really know what, he just knows he felt “bad” about the situation (you had a lot of this in your early FRs where you thought people were fucking with you or the vibe people had toward you was “weird” etc.).

    Like now, I know EXACTLY what’s happening in an interaction. It’s like there’s a videogame meter above the girl’s head and I can see it going up and down depending on what I do. So I can predict a lot of flakes because I know “logically I fucked up a bunch on that, she SHOULD flake on me” or I can tell when I’m just slaying it etc. and set should be an easy open for me, because I’ve spent so much time in-field.

    That’s also why I can break down your interactions, just through text descriptions and quotes, with pretty reasonable accuracy. I just really understand the dynamics from experience. Your FRs have a solid level of description/detail to diagnose your interactions. Some guys just post little snippets of text, or some guys post 50 pages of unnecessary backstory etc., but you have a good balance of what’s important and what’s fluff.

    These things still take me forever to write which is why I haven’t gotten on the last couple weeks of FRs from ya (busy with work and pussy lol) but you give me good material to break down when I DO get to them. :)

    “The other one starts to give her answer, but — and maybe this was a premature ejectuation — I just turn like I got distracted by something and buzz off.”

    lol sometimes this isn’t a bad plan. It’s funny because you can open a girl TERRIBLY and completely fuck it up…but then find her and re-open her an hour later when you’re in a better state and more on your game, as if that initial interaction never happened or as if it went awesome before, and she’ll be receptive to you.

    You CAN blow yourself out hardcore so she won’t ever open up again, but often premature ejectulation means you can probably re-open later because it’s your own brain telling you “Abort abort!!” VS her saying “fuck off!!”

    Don’t stress it or beat yourself up about it though. At least you approached to begin with!

    “And then HBLovely6 is like ‘ya that threesome isn’t happening now.’”

    1) She’s thinking about sex with you. They both are. IOIs lol

    2) You probably COULD have a 3-some with them. Usually girls that crack jokes about that kind of thing are actually curious/interested in it.

    “Me: Ya, now it’s a twosome (smirk)”

    If I wanted to escalate and bang her, I’d've said something like “Probably for the better, I’m more of a one on one kind of guy. I don’t think I could keep up with BOTH of you…I don’t know what 4s like in bed but I can tell you’re fucking wild. ;) You’d have me handcuffed to your bed before I knew what happened.” etc. and grab her by the waist if she plays along like “omg maybe I WOULD ;) lolololz”.

    “Lol, what’s funny is that I know 100% that I can bang Lovely, and I find myself growing less interested.”

    lol ya, you’re wired to be a Thrill of the Hunt guy like me. Once I “figure a girl out”, I start losing interest. For a girl to keep me interested in her, she has to be unpredictable and exciting and keep me on my toes. I can get laid pretty much any night I’m out by some 4 or 5 uggo, but it’s easy and I care more about the hunt of trying to land a hotter girl who’s a challenge, so I pass those easy uggos up all the time.

    On the flip side I have a Natural player buddy who’s a Pleasure of Sex guy and just wants a steady stream of new pussy 24/7, so he’ll bang those easy uggo lays if a hotter girl seems like she’ll be more work.

    …or he’ll grab a # from the hotter one and then take home an uggo and bang the hotter girl later in the week, the fucker lol

    “And I know that if I don’t act on all of this touching and shit soon, it’ll all be for naught.”

    The windows of opportunity DO close. It’s a tricky balance because essentially you keep shooting her down, which is rejection to a girl, and hurts her ego, and she’ll have to get mad at you for that at some point.

    What I like to do in these situations is disqualify myself. So when I’m joking about our loving eachother and breaking up etc. (like that same fun light-hearted vibe, not a serious discussion) I’d drop in “But alas, we can never be together…a wise man once told me don’t poop where you eat. I could never date a girl I’m friends with, everyone would have to watch us making out all the time and getting it on on that pool table over there, it would destroy the group! But know that my heart is always yours…unless, you know, you get fat. ;)

    Basically just fucking around and disqualifying yourself instead of disqualifying HER…that way she can’t get mad or take it personal, it’s not HER you’re rejecting, you’re just following your rules. I knew an asian guy who would keep white chicks in his group flirting with him by telling them he could never be with a white chick because they’re too crazy and he needs a nice quiet asian girl etc…but he’d keep flirting with them and they’d keep flirting back because they’re still attracted, it’s just that now he’s less attainable…but at the same time they don’t feel rejected because he’s not leading them on and then rejecting them personally, he’s rejecting an entire group of people at once for a silly reason.

    “For now, I just follow my rule of ‘if you don’t know how to escalate, take it further, be cooler…leave…be scarce.’ So I do just that.”

    Keep to that rule. :) Give her the gift of missing you.

    “I actually hear HBLovely6 say ‘oh Scray is just too cool for us, other bitches to bang…he was laughing and talking with some other girls downstairs.’”

    lol One of the funny moments you’ll run into is the first time you bang a chick you landed with super solid game and high value and she REFUSES to believe that you’ve only slept with a couple girls in your life. I literally had girls get ANGRY at me because they convinced themselves I was fucking with them and lying about having only been with 3 girls at age 24…it was just their perception that because I seemed so high-value to them, obviously I must get a ton of girls. It’s really surreal lol

    Another way you can build your rep with guys and perception is to collect chicks’ phone numbers in front of them. To normal guys who watch a Ryan Gosling movie, getting a # means the hero and the girl will hook up and have sex…so to normal guys, a guy who gets a bunch of #s is a pimp who must be getting laid like crazy. They don’t comprehend what flaking is or how flash-game to get a # isn’t solid game etc. All they know is “Scray gets #s from so many chicks wow, what a pimp.”

    “I’m really digging her look and her vibe.”

    solid. This is what you’re in the game for. :) Having some competance when you run into a girl like this that flips all your switches.

    “Nosering8.5 has a shocked reaction to my opener, and I soften it up by saying I’m fucking with her.”

    I have to do this a lot because I open offensively lol This is a situation where you can drop a “Statement of Empathy” which is where you pace her reality (“I know, that was rude hey? lol you look terrified, I’m sorry, I just like to fuck with people.”) and lead it to where you want (“On the plus side, you’re cute when you look like you think I’m an asshole. ;) Are you a hairdresser? (insert routine)”)

    “(HERPITY DERPITY HERPY DERP DERP)”

    lol. Awesome. Well, at least you didn’t die. :)

    SOMETIMES you can turn these nose-dives around with a cute sincerity of “I’m sorry, I’m just saying stupid shit now. You’re just the hottest chick I’ve seen tonight and my brain stops working when we make eye-contact lol” and try to slide into something. If it’s congruent, sometimes it’ll make them go “awwe” and give you a chance, depending on her personality type.

    It’s a hail-mary pass though basically lol and a lot of girls will take it as a “well he’s not confident enough for me then”, but I mean, you aren’t sticking your dick in her anyway, so fuck it.

    Remember before when I talked about re-opening? If you saw this girl again next week, you could re-approach her with better game and act as if that interaction never happened. And if she remembers you just act as if you guys had a normal cool interaction that went well and brush it off and keep going and hold your frame…and you might be able to turn it around. Girls live in the moment, so if in the moment you’re giving her good emotions, that’s what she feels about you.

    “Nightly: I LIKE YOUR NOSE RING….AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.”

    ahhh what are friends for if not kicking you when you’re down, hey? lol

    Whole bunch of wicked awesome shit coming up here, love it:

    “STOP ASKING THAT QUESTION, IT’S A FUCKED UP QUESTION!”

    lol one risk with your opener is that if the chick has had a friend recently die, it can trigger some pretty hostile shit. That isn’t necessarily what’s happening here, but it’s something that you could run into at some point. If you do run into that (you’ll know when it happens, she’ll bitch you out HARD and tell you about her friend dying), pull back entirely and be like “oh wow, hey I’m sorry, I was just fucking around, I didn’t mean to trigger shitty memories for you, that was entirely my bad…I just say stupid shit like that and you’re right I shouldn’t be saying it to random people when I don’t know their history. I’m sorry about your friend, forget about my stupid shit k?” and if you can calm her down with that kind of stuff you can transition into a “Let’s start over, this time without me being an asshole okay? My name is Scray (hold out your hand for a hand-shake)”.

    This chick was just fucking with you though lol

    “Me: WHO ARE YOU, THE FUCKED UP POLICE? QUIT STALKING ME!”

    Beautiful. It doesn’t even need to make sense, what you’re doing is setting her up for an emotional rollercoaster which girls love. Often, the hotter they are the more they love it (thus Strippers and their love of drama/abuse).

    “Me: (the 4.5 is being fat talkin about how fucked up I am, blah blah blah…I focus on the other one) So who are you?”

    Good frame control here, not giving a fuck what the 4.5 is yapping about.

    “Me: SILENCE, I’m not going to be a party to your mental trickery.”

    lol as insane/assholish/illogical as you sound here, ignoring the words that are being said, what’s happening here? You are the center of the storm and causing them to react to you. This is you dominating the interaction and forcing them to be playing catch-up to you. VS “I like your nosering…??”

    “Petite6: Hey, look…..just don’t be fucked up.”

    IOI. She’s verrry subtly indicating that she wants you to NOT fuck the interaction with everyone up here, which is because she verrry secretly is curious about you and wants you to be around long enough for her to find out what your deal is.

    Sometimes a girl will tell you how to seduce her or what her logistical problem is that she needs you to solve. So you’ll get something like “I have to tell my friends I’m leaving, I can’t just leave!!” and you go “Nah, it’s fine.” and keep heading toward the door with her. If she goes with you, cool, but if she stresses “No I can’t I HAVE to tell them first…” you go “Okay, let’s go find them.” and you go do that. Like sometimes it’s not a shit-test, it’s her saying “I have this problem I need you to solve so we can be together”. Spotting this just comes with calibration.

    “Me: I don’t take orders from fun nazis.”

    So much lol at this. Again, notice that you’re holding your frame here. She’s trying to get you to comply and jump through a hoop and you’re just steamrolling all over her and her group’s frame with yours.

    Something you can do around the point where they’re “OMG”‘ing is to actually switch gears and drop into lower-key comfort/rapport/qualifying game. They’re reacting to you, so they’ll follow your frame and if your frame is now “it’s totally normal for us to now have a civil conversation about who they are” then that’s what they’ll be doing.

    “Petite6: (Turns to her friend) …copyingmesomuchohmygod!”

    IOI. She’s playing along with your game instead of just walking away. If you were a smelly homeless man would she have tried to trip you up and be playing your game with you like that? No, she’d just go “fuck off” and walk away. She’s in your frame here, because she’s reacting to your game.

    “Me: (pause, smirk) You look real stupid right now.”

    lol great. Cutting your own game off and then teasing her for reacting to your game. Solid stuff and again leading the interaction and forcing her to react to you.

    “Petite6: Don’t be so childish”

    Her shit-testing, hoop compliance testing, etc.

    “Me: MAKE ME”

    You amplifying her complaint (agree & amplify in action).

    “Petite6(turns away to laugh)”

    IOI. She’s attracted and from this point on anything she says, any shit she gives you, is her secretly flirting and testing to see if you’re congruent so she can fuck you.

    “4.5: Yeah this city is REALLY SHADY…JUST SAYING”

    Trying to mother hen, and also a little jealous that she’s not getting attention, and annoyed that somehow despite how illogical it is that her friend should be into you, she can tell she is. Girls can spot when their friends buying temperature spikes, that’s WHY they have a mother hen in the group and drag eachother to the bathroom to cool down and get their bitch-shields back up, etc. They can tell their friend is spiking and will lose control so they try to fuck it up.

    “Me: I’m a motherfucking umbrella.”

    This is you running agree & amplify again. Much better than defending yourself and qualifying yourself or backing down etc. You’re demonstrating yet again how unshakeable your frame is and how confident you are.

    “Petite6: You’re kind of shady.”

    IOI. If you were a stinky homeless man would she jump back into the conversation once she finally escaped it? Nope. And here she’s shit-testing you again because she knows 1) that you’ll pass it since you literally JUST passed this exact same shit-test, except you did it to her friend and not her so she wants in on some of that action, and 2) that her friend will keep ragging on you until she DOES fuck it up so she’s actually trying to buy you some more time…like walking you away from the dragon’s chomping mouth for a minute so it can cool down.

    “but it’s because she doesn’t know how to react to me…ah finally, this reaction.”

    Not the DDB look it doesn’t sound like, but she’s 100% in your frame at this point. Whoever’s reacting to the other person more is lower-value so to her at this point you have really high-value.

    “Let me guess, you guys are from the burbs and can’t handle yourselves on the street?”

    Solid, taking on the cockblock. This is that switching gears into comfort/rapport/qualifying stuff. It’s less hostile an energy level.

    “4.5: This place doesn’t have suburbs.”

    Still trying to fuck you up. You could have said “You have blonde hair.” and even if she had blonde hair she’d say “No I don’t.” just to try to fuck you up.

    “Me: WHAT THE FUCK? HAHAHA RIDICULOUS”

    lol Much better than getting into a logical debate about the amount of suburbs in the area which is what she wants you to do so you can be reacting to her. Instead, once again, you refuse to fall into her frames.

    “I actually start to walk away, right then and there.”

    lol a take-away/back-turn, even though you actually MEANT it. :)

    “They call me back”

    IOI.

    “we’re girls who can yell, blah blah blah. I walk back and point at Petite6″

    Ignoring their bullshit and instead of reacting to it, cutting them off and plowing through with your own frame/reality. This is all super alpha shit and all congruent to what you’ve demonstrated to them from the very start, that you have a strong frame and don’t react to others…even if you didn’t realize at the time you were doing it, this is really solid shit and it’s why you’re getting IOIs from Petite6.

    “Me: You know what you are? You’re a nonsense person. That’s the WORST kind of person. (smirk)”

    Love it. Cold-read (doesn’t even need to make sense). Again, you’re causing her to react to you. VS “ummm I like your nosering…??” lol

    “Petite6(looks deathly serious all of sudden, gets in my face, arms folded) Okay, you need to walk the fuck away. Just walk the fuck away, seriously.”

    Flirting shit-test.

    “Me: (oh shit, have I misread the vibe)”

    The way to tell whether you’ve misread or not is to look at the history…she’s given you like 5 really subtle little IOIs at this point, so if you’ve been paying attention to those, then when she does this shit-test you can instantly know to ignore it because logic dictates that she’s attracted so this is just her flirting…whereas if she did this when she had given you NO IOIs, it would mean she actually wants you to walk away.

    Basically it’s like you caught a glimpse of her cards in poker and she’s trying to bluff a hand but you know she has nothing so you don’t take her seriously…whereas if you hadn’t seen the cards or if you had seen them and knew she HAD the hand, you’d fold.

    “Petite6(Gets closer, looks pretty fucking pissed) Yeah. Step off little guy.”

    Flirting shit-test again. She’s probably done this to guys before and had them cower and run away (and then been disappointed that they were pussies lol). At this point the sexual tension on her end is actually through the roof lol

    “There comes a time in every man’s life, when he must choose between a life of shuffling off into the darkness like a good little boy or remaining and just weathering what storms may come”

    lol you are Braveheart! And it’s true. Look how this one pans out…like, look at the reference experience you got from this even if you didn’t bang her. How much is THAT reference experience worth, that sometimes even a super hardcore shit-test like this can ACTUALLY be flirting? And how much will this reference experience help you in the future with other girls? Like shit, you can’t even put a price on that experience you just gained by sticking it through.

    “Petite6: 5………..4………………………(pause)”

    IOI. The pause is the IOI here. Because she doesn’t actually WANT to get to 1 and have you leave.

    “Me: (leans in as if she forgot the next number, ) 3…”

    ooooo I got a boner from that one lol. This is flawless shit right here, you’re taking her frame and tooling her with it, and not backing down, etc. etc. etc. Just a shit-ton of alpha here, PLUS the leaning in which ups the sexual tension (remember that Gambler/Richard LaRuina video on sexual tension from stepping in closer while she talks?).

    “Petite6 (Her serious facade crumbles, and there it is — a smile, quick…did I just pass some form of weird shit test? If so…that’d be the first one ever, I think)..2….1…..”

    Congratulations, you just passed a shit-test that like 99% of guys would crumble to. And not only did you pass it, you fucked it in the face and made it your bitch.

    “Me: (blink…smirk)”

    Sexual tension all over the place. This is the point where, to her, the rest of the world has faded into darkness and it’s just the two of you on a stage with everything dark around you and just a spotlight on the two of you.

    “Petite6: You seriously just need to leave.”

    I would bet that the way she said this even SOUNDED full of shit, like a really gay “I totally don’t even mean this, I don’t even know what I’m saying right now” doggy dinner-bowl thing. Like in those 1950s movies where the girl puts up a fight and finally gives up to the guy she’s attracted to and is just kind of muttering as he moves in for a kiss.

    “Me: (coolest thing I’ve done so far right here…I put my hands on both of her cheeks…she puts her hands over my hands……..)”

    Sooooooo good. lol Just completely boss shit right here. And her putting her hands on yours is a massive IOI. She will be thinking about you when she’s getting off that night lol

    Also, you can makeout with her here. The rest of her group will shit a brick over it, but you can do it and she would love it lol

    “Petite6: What’s your name?”

    Epic IOI. Like, massively attracted here. Through the roof. You blew through everything she could throw at you like a fucking champ and she knows it…so now she’s in love.

    “Me: I need to leave, remember, who needs names for that.”

    lol awesome. Not conducive to getting the lay, but the logistics are so fucked in this situ that you probably couldn’t get the lay away (even if you tried to grab a # for later, her friends would cockblock before you got your phone to the Contacts screen), so making a badass moment like this is all good. If you ever see this chick again she will jizz herself and make sure that you know she’s there and that she wants you to re-open and bang her (after she roleplays back into this “you’re creepy and should go away” frame again to make sure you’re still fun and remember her lol).

    “Petite6: (Another fleeting smile)”

    Of course. :) You just gave her a moment that she’ll be thinking about for years. 5 min of alpha and all that.

    “And then…..some ANGRY fucking guy literally yanks her away from me. ‘Come the fuck on! we’re going, let’s get the fuck out of here, blah blah blah’”

    lol orbiter WK with a crush, or a friend of her boyfriend or some shit. Who knows, who cares, you had your fun and got a badass story and reference experience out of that. This is the same guy who got sneered at by a 6 on a dance floor a few months ago and shuffled off with his tail between his legs. :) Proud of your progress, dude!

    “and she’s like ‘I’ll see you later’ as she’s getting dragged away.”

    lol I’ve had girls shout their phone number as their friends drag them away as soon as they see me pull out my phone etc. This chick looooved you.

    “I’m not going to be a smartass to him or anything…learned my lesson the last time.”

    lol you wouldn’t have been able to turn those logistics around anyway so this was a good call. What’s she going to do, ninja-flip out of his hands AND ditch all the cockblocks in her group to go fuck you that night? Nahhh…end on a high note. Like I say, if you see her again (likely at that same bar on that same night of the week since people tend to be creatures of habit, tho don’t bank on it cause for all you know she only goes out once a year etc.), it’s on like donkey kong…BUT you’ll have to start over a bit and work your way up through some mild flirting shit-tests again, you generally don’t get to just resume where you left off.

    “I’m kind of left there in a daze for a moment.”

    Love those moments. :) Welcome to Game.

    “Nightly: That was………………awesome. One of the coolest things I’ve seen.”

    lol and it’s awesome that you had a witness to it all. You must’ve been strutting like a peacock after that whole thing went down lol

    “It actually went pretty well, just riffing with them and stuff.”

    lol I find after I have a really amazing set I’m just kind of in the afterglow/high of the interaction and my next sets will just be pretty chill and lazy on my part because I’m still like “ahhh man that was awesome…this is cool too, but it’s not as awesome as THAT shit was…” with a dopey grin on my face.

    “Both of them were married and had babies though. Not my thing……………….yet, I guess.”

    It’s getting harder to find hot chicks who DON’T have kids these days. :( Way to go, Feminism.

    “Consistently have good opens with girls in the 5-7 range these days. Hotter girls…well…still difficult.”

    It’ll come in time. Keep forcing yourself to go hurr durr about girls’ noserings. ;) Imagine if you handled that nosering chick the way you handled this last chick.

    “I think this month is going to be the month where I just start saying random shit to girls during the day. My confidence is getting to that level.”

    lol do it. You never know what’ll pan out. If they respond and you notice some IOIs, run with it. I used to do a lot of day-game and go for insta-dates and stuff…I mostly stick to night game now because I’m in work mode all day, but ya, if you pass by some chicks, throw something out there. Make an observation about something around you and build that skill of being able to make up situational openers, practice transitioning into your hairdresser thing or new routines, look for IOIs, etc. etc. Play with it and have fun. The world is your lab to do social experiments in. :)

    Good stuff dude, keep it up! Hope some of this helps and props for that awesome last interaction lol


  • YaReally
    on March 5, 2013 at 6:22 pm
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    left a breakdown but it’s in moderation, check in a day or whatever!


    • Scray
      on March 6, 2013 at 3:54 am
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      ‘These things still take me forever to write which is why I haven’t gotten on the last couple weeks of FRs from ya (busy with work and pussy lol) but you give me good material to break down when I DO get to them.’

      I’m really thankful whenever you do write one. I always try to apply whatever you say the next week. They’re really helpful. Like, this Matrix scene is how I feel when reading them (you’d be Morpheus, obv)