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The Female Preference For Badboys, Quantified

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darkhorse
on November 22, 2013 at 12:59 pm
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@YaReally / CH

I took a high quality two-set home last night. Bouncers giving me respect as we left the club. That’s nice. Logistically though, things fizzled out when we got to my place. Looking for ways to improve the situation next time it happens.

1am enter top club in big metropolitan American city. Get a vibe going with two Europeans girls. Very sexy, mid-twenties. Very high-status in this environment. One is a stripper, the other works bottle service. Light chatting for 15 minutes, they can sense I can hang. They invite me to an abandoned bottle service booth.

There they start to make plans to eject from their group of a dozen girls. We’re going X place, do you want to join us? I tell them my place is nearby, tell them to join me first, they agree.

Pretty sure my first mistake was failure to escalate happened in this moment, when we were in “huddle formation” in the booth and they had selected me as a potential inseminator. IMHO taking the reigns and deciding where we were going next wasn’t enough leadership, at least sexual leadership. Probably better to have sat in between both (rather than to the side of one), and whispered in both their ears (rather than talk face to face). Basically be bold.

Cab ride in bottle service girl starts referencing her DD tits. I tease a bit, but not directly referencing her tits. Looking back dropped the ball. Could have escalated there.

Long story short, they arrive, the mood inside is dull. Roommate there with too chumpy girls = lowers status. I get music, lower the lights. They go cold. Lack of interest, muted contempt, they’ve already made plans to eject. (Didn’t even ask for numbers, just figure they demoted me to beta and text game would seem hard to believe.)

Pretty sure excitement level was too low. Definitely take responsibility for it. Been in similar situations, taking a two-set home, and fucking one in front of their friend, but on that occasion, had already escalated with that girl prior. So guessing the missing piece here was escalation: executing it at the club, in the cab, and immediately at my destination. Communicating through action: You selected me, I know what I’m doing, and I’m going to push your boundaries step-by-step, and I’m good at it.

Thinking something like leading them to body shots on arrival would have been the best call.

Tips on verbal and physical escalation welcome.


  • walawala
    on November 22, 2013 at 8:53 pm
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    @darkhorse. Great Field Report.

    Your own insights on this help to do better next time.

    You were doing great. But what strikes me in this is what I’ve noticed about myself in some situations:

    Outcome dependence. You see this as a sure thing and then a sense of nervousness creeps in and you’re thinking either about what you did or what you’re going to do/say next and you’re then not in the moment.

    There was nothing you did or said from this report that stands out for me apart from the recognition of a series of sign-posts: the room-mate.

    In this situation, could you have raised your value by being cocky: “Come on, get decent, we have company!” or something that could have raised you value and kept the mood lighter.

    My issue recently is inner game. I’m struggling to get my mojo back after my break up.

    Last night I went to a club to watch a series of dance performances by a friend of mine and his school.

    This was a great therapy. It was a new set of people. All the girls there were under 30 and smoking hot. There was a trio of girls performing who were smoking. The head girl invited everyone to take photos and chat them up “We’re all mostly single…” I was going to approach but they were surrounded by girlfriends and orbiters so I took it all in and went to the bar to have a drink.

    One of the other dancers approached me and opened me. I ran game on her: cocky-funny, then comfort: “what is it about the music that you feel when you perform?” I got great IOI’s. It doesn’t always have to be a number or a lay. I’m pushing myself to just open new hot girls and chat…just talk.

    I’m talking and going out with a variety of girls now just to talk and run and practice game to get back whatever it is that I lost and to reassure myself.


    • Matthew King
      on November 23, 2013 at 8:05 am
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      Outcome dependence. You see this as a sure thing and then a sense of nervousness creeps in and you’re thinking either about what you did or what you’re going to do/say next and you’re then not in the moment.

      Twelve screens reduced to one paragraph. Bravo.

      All this hypervigilance, microscopic analysis, and lengthy if-then trees work against relaxing in the moment. The war stories and the Wise-Uncle advice are fun to dispense after the fact but you are laying the predicate for trying too hard next time. Did I dim the lights just right? What does her squint mean? Should I get out the Chip-n-Dip?

      A man can keep an average of five to seven thoughts in his mind simultaneously, even fewer when “it goes to shit.” You need to drill, drill, drill a handful of concepts (like outcome independence) and stop greasing the details so hard.

      Matt


      • YaReally
        on November 23, 2013 at 9:34 am
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        “The war stories and the Wise-Uncle advice are fun to dispense after the fact”

        That’s why we debrief Field Reports after the fact like this, or at the end of the night in recap, not in the moment. In study/training, you focus on specifics, and in the moment you let your training flow. Same as any athlete in any sport or any skilled artist in any hobby. Michael Jordan didn’t just pick up a basketball and join the NBA.

        “Did I dim the lights just right? What does her squint mean? Should I get out the Chip-n-Dip?”

        Spoken like a guy who hasn’t dealt with the logistics of situations like taking home a stripper and bottle service girl off a cold approach solo. You can just wing it, like every other guy, and hope that the planets align for you…but that’s rolling the dice when a little strategy/training/thought would have increased your odds and overall consistency significantly.

        “but you are laying the predicate for trying too hard next time.”

        Ya, when I go to the gym I just randomly lift things and jump around and hope that I get a 6-pack. I don’t do any reading or get help from a trainer or watch my diet or anything, that would be trying too hard and some Internet Badass might think I’m lame!!

        End of the day: Some guys are happy being in generally okay shape, and that’s cool, good on them…but some guys want a rock-hard 6-pack and 8% body-fat. …and when you go out a lot, it’s very obvious who’s a fat guy on the Internet giving exercise advice lol

        Saturday night tonight. If anyone reading this has been on the fence about going out, tonight’s the best night of the week to give it a go. The chicks have all day to doll themselves up and get their hair did, and everybody’s looking to forget the work-week and have some fun. Get out there and push your comfort zone!


        • darkhorse
          on November 23, 2013 at 1:59 pm
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          I always wonder what league each poster in here is in.

          Gaming some cute girls college girls carries the same principles but a higher social skill-set and emotional control than not the same thing as gaming a qualified 10 (young, hot woman pursued by male celebrities). It’s like thinking that crossover that works in your pick-up basketball game is going to work in the NBA. Theoretically it is. Technically, you need to by the social, emotional and psychological equivalent of an NBA player.

          From my perspective, the leagues you’re playing in is consistent with the abundance of hot girls. For example, office environments where guys game Rhonda the hot PR girl are low level leagues, in my opinion. (Unless your office is Ford models). Women who really couldn’t make a living off looks-based employment are over valued. An 6 might be considered an 8, and the guy who bangs her might think he has game, but his skills wouldn’t necessarily work in a setting with legitimate 8s who are attracting more competition.


          • Scray
            on November 24, 2013 at 7:51 pm
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            ‘his skills wouldn’t necessarily work in a setting with legitimate 8s who are attracting more competition.’

            Ya, his current skills. Your only choice when shooting ever higher is to ramp it all up. I can see the path before me….you literally need to become larger than life. You have to be more than ‘that cool guy who seems well-liked,’ because now, where you’re playing, that’s pretty much every guy.

            And the fact that I’m saying this from a perspective of ‘ you -have- to be better than, do this’ is obvious that I haven’t really internalized this level yet. I’m just working toward it. I’ve gotten to a place where I’m a cool guy who seems well-liked — that’s new. I like it. I feel like I’m a part of the world. The next jump is to learn how to conquer the world. /w3rd



The Feminist Push To Sanction Female Infidelity

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man reader
on November 12, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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This is backwards: “This is because men, unlike women, can easily sever sex from emotional connection.”

Most men fell in love with, and stayed in love with, the hot women who had sex with them, and when the women dumped them, the women turned off the “emotional connection” as easily as turning off a light switch. Pure coldness from the female side.

The truth is that a man can have an affair with 4 women and actually love and take care of and be a net giver, not net taker, with all of them. When a woman cheats on her beta husband, she resents the beta husband with a seething contempt not even a convicted rapist could inspire, and she gives said beta *nothing* while taking *everything*, including all of his money, property, and the very soul he needs to have the energy to be a man every day.


  • Scray
    on November 12, 2013 at 12:58 pm
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    I’m pretty convinced that women are faithful to the men who give them tingles. So I gotta agree with the common wisdom. If you’re fucking a girl and she can ‘turn off’ her emotional connection, then a) you no longer give her tingles or b) you never did.


    • Alexander
      on November 12, 2013 at 2:07 pm
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      You can’t build everything on tingles solelly.

      Tingles are going to pass. Things that give her tingles now will give them less and less over time, until it all becames dull bussines to her. Than a mechanism of serial monogamy turns in. You should be the one that her logical brain chooses and consideres acceptable.

      Offcourse you should if possible hold the upper hand as much as you can, that is still the saffest way to keep a women.


      • Scray
        on November 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm
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        Tingles pass when men become pussies.


        • Alexander
          on November 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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          No buddy, tingles pass over time too.

          Or: Nobody can be hero all the time, some betaization has to occur. Over time, or over a failure in life. You can restore your confidence sure, but you need time for that and if tingles are the only thing you were counting on… Well you’re in deep shit.

          He told you right: “wait until you’re 35.”


          • YaReally
            on November 13, 2013 at 8:32 pm
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            “And in marriage, the attraction that fades is correlated with the loss of value you automatically suffer, as YaR said.”

            This is really what it comes down to.

            A hot waitress flirting with you causes jealousy and creates attraction. That’s just how it works.

            Now take two guys:

            Billy the single guy, who’s just fresh into a relationship but his phone is still blowing up with girls txting him and he’s out with his GF who sees him as super high-value and feels lucky to be with him and like he could do better than her.

            The waitress flirts with him…his GF is worried she’ll lose him so she gets jealous, attracted, and bangs his brains out that night.

            Now take Bob from accounting, the run-down beta’ized loser who’s been married to his wife for 10 years and had no back-bone so he allowed her to just steamroll over him with worse and worse behavior, and they have 2 kids at home and he depends on her because he subscribes to the Disney notion that his whole world should revolve around his wife, but she hasn’t put out in years and she knows that there’s no way he can leave the relationship because she will take his money, his kids, and basically cripple his soul.

            She knows there is NO danger of losing him. She can chop his dick off and he’ll stay with her because he has no other alternatives in life and quite frankly, no other woman would find him attractive or want him.

            The waitress flirst with him…his wife doesn’t give a FUCK, and berates him later for being a pervert for even looking at the waitress, and makes him sleep on the couch.

            Now say that bitchy wife gets an “alpha fuck” on the side, some young badboy stallion dude who fucks her brains out and who she knows she’s lucky to have. He’s such a break from her spineless loser hubby that she’s grateful to have him.

            They go to the restaurant for dinner before fucking, while her hubby is out of town on a business trip, and the waitress flirts with that alpha dude she fears losing.

            She reacts the same way the first girl did, being worried she’ll lose him, so she gets jealous, attracted, and bangs his brains out that night.

            The act itself doesn’t “become less attractive over time”. It’s the guy who’s performing the act that gets less attractive and affects the results.

            In an LTR you go through problems and work through them, which is great, but each time you do that, you demonstrate to the girl that you won’t leave her. So every incident of bratty behavior that you let her get away with without Soft Next’ing her, just gives her more reference experiences of “he won’t leave me, even if I misbehave” and she will naturally escalate this to see where your boundaries are.

            Over time, you end up beta’ized and she has less of a fear of loss, so the stuff you did that is still attractive conceptually, is less attractive because of who you’ve become as a man.

            If you then add marriage into it, where you voluntarily legally commit yourself to what is essentially lifetime slavery, so that you REALLY can’t leave, you are handicapping yourself and ensuring that she will have no fear of loss…so when that waitress flirts with you, she doesn’t get jealous and fuck you, she berates you and disrespects you, because YOU have changed and no longer come with a fear of loss.



The Feminist Push To Sanction Female Infidelity

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man reader
on November 12, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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This is backwards: “This is because men, unlike women, can easily sever sex from emotional connection.”

Most men fell in love with, and stayed in love with, the hot women who had sex with them, and when the women dumped them, the women turned off the “emotional connection” as easily as turning off a light switch. Pure coldness from the female side.

The truth is that a man can have an affair with 4 women and actually love and take care of and be a net giver, not net taker, with all of them. When a woman cheats on her beta husband, she resents the beta husband with a seething contempt not even a convicted rapist could inspire, and she gives said beta *nothing* while taking *everything*, including all of his money, property, and the very soul he needs to have the energy to be a man every day.


  • Scray
    on November 12, 2013 at 12:58 pm
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    I’m pretty convinced that women are faithful to the men who give them tingles. So I gotta agree with the common wisdom. If you’re fucking a girl and she can ‘turn off’ her emotional connection, then a) you no longer give her tingles or b) you never did.


    • YaReally
      on November 12, 2013 at 3:01 pm
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      Getting married automatically handicaps you because you remove the option to leave the relationship which takes away most, if not all, of your hand.

      Same time, if you want to settle and have kids and raise a family and all, and you’re in your 40s, you’re probably not gonna have much interest or time to go hit up bars macking on girls lol

      But that doesn’t change what produces tingles. The core alpha traits are still attractive. I think when you get older and decide to settle, you just have to channel those things into other areas.

      ie – when you were young and single you could go to the bar and flirt with girls and trigger jealousy tingles. But when you’re older and settled down with kids, maybe you just flirt with the waitress when your wife and you are at dinner, or you “do the rounds” at your company office Xmas party and she sees the girls in your office flirting with you.

      Triggers the same tingles, but the latter is a situation that a family man could pull off.

      Another example would be dedication/drive toward your goals. When you were younger you might ignore her texts so you could get work done. When you’re older and settled down with kids, maybe you just make sure you have a private office in the house where you can go to not be disturbed and focus on your shit and she understands not to bother you when you’re in the office. Same tingles triggered, but in a different way.

      Same with, say, leading other men. As a young single dude maybe you led your wolf pack of bros at the bar. But when you’re married and settled maybe you’re the guy who arranges poker nights with your other settled buddies (where she’s not allowed to bother you guys except to bring beers and snacks) or you have a team of men working for you at your job etc. or simply when you go to her office Xmas party, you take the lead and introduce yourself to the men there and befriend and lead them for the night.

      Same tingles triggered, but in a different way that’s more conducive to being settled down and raising kids.

      The problem with most married guys is that they beta themselves by marrying and removing their woman’s fear of loss, but then on TOP of that, they say minimal words to the waitress and don’t dare “get caught” checking her out or making eye contact with her in front of their wife. And they sit quietly in the background at their office parties. And they stop hanging out with their buddies, hoping for Bob up the street to arrange a poker night so they can escape their wife’s loathing resentment for a few hours if they beg permission to go first, and they stop trying to advance their career because they’re scared to rock the boat and their job eats away their soul and they give up their hobbies and have no private office or man-cave because they don’t want to risk hurting their wife’s feelings, they’ve stopped working out and dressing decent because they’ve landed a girl and “don’t have to” take pride in their appearance and their girl fattened them up with dinners etc etc etc

      In the end you end up with just a spineless unattractive beta family man who gets cheated on, divorced, and loses custody of his kids to his wife who’s moved on to more alpha pastures.

      But if he had understood tingles and attraction, he could have acted like the first guy I described, and probably done just fine.

      So I think ya, settling down means you choose to let yourself get beta’ized a bit in exchange for a family… But I also don’t think it’s a death sentence when you understand attraction and understand “I’m not trolling the bars for pussy anymore, and that’s going to make me less attractive to my girl, so I have to figure out how to supplement that jealousy tingle in a different way”. It’s like taking vitamins for things that your diet doesn’t provide lol



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Patrice
on November 12, 2013 at 12:51 pm
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How do alphas get married or have long term relationships when they know women are cheating whores? Do they stay single for the rest of their lives?

This must fuck with their heads, even after having fucked hundreds and hundreds of women.

What is the end-game for the alpha male?


  • Greg Eliot
    on November 12, 2013 at 2:17 pm
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    Judging by Hollywood, music, and sports stars, women do indeed cheat on alphas.

    Sure, one can pooh-pooh that the cuckold in question was doubtfully a true alpha… according to the given definer’s mental legerdemain.

    But when guys like Frank Sinatra, Tom Cruise, Hulk Hogan, etc., etc., etc. can’t hold onto wives, well…


    • Scray
      on November 12, 2013 at 2:30 pm
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      The problem here is that you’re defining alpha as ‘to the outside world.’ What matters is how the woman in question views the man. Frank Sinatra and Ava Gardner is a great example. She was constantly testing him, he was going through a really ‘low value’ time in his life = her having one foot out the door.


      • YaReally
        on November 12, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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        “The problem here is that you’re defining alpha as ‘to the outside world.’ What matters is how the woman in question views the man.”

        This.


        • MTK (@MANFORTHEAGES)
          on November 13, 2013 at 2:08 pm
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          I can’t believe you take pride in your retarded protege Scray. Its sort of cute and reminds me of Puffy (you) and Mase (your said retard)

          He uses words like brah and muh and dik. He is either a retard, dreg, or wanna be gangster or an unholy trifecta cocktail of the 3.

          Seriously if that retard somehow spawns because of game its your fault.


          • Scray
            on November 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm
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            ok ‘manfortheages’ lmfao.



Ras Al Ghul
on November 12, 2013 at 1:09 pm
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Scray:

“Women don’t cheat on alphas, or more accurately, women don’t cheat on men that they view as alphas. As long as you play FAG, with some DHV sprinkles here and there, I see no reason why a man couldn’t have a devoted life partner.”

This is only true if there is no greater alpha or if there is some restraint upon the woman. There is always a bigger alpha somewhere.

If there is a man she views as greater that she thinks she can trade up on, she will unless some part of her character or a social constraint preventing her.

The longer the long term relationship, the more she will see the beta in you. This is ok, in a way, as she gets farther past the wall . . . but then she gets farther past the wall.


  • Scray
    on November 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm
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    Yes, there will always be greater alphas, however women aren’t retarded — as much as the comment section on this blog likes to think so.

    A female 6 in looks who manages to LTR a male 8 through game/awesomeness will probably NEVER cheat on him — even if a male 9 comes along for a P and D. When the spread starts becoming too large, women instinctively back off.

    Honestly, would any man here throw away a committed good relationship with an 8, for one night with a 9? You guys can talk all the shit you want, but I already know what the real answer is.

    Last but not least, women do not think like men. A woman can think you are the greatest alpha ever even tho OBJECTIVELY you are not. If you have a strong reality/frame, she will pretty much anchor herself to you. She won’t really give any other guys an actual chance. If you are giving her tingles, she’ll only have eyes for you. It’s when you stop giving her tingles and start losing value that what you’re talking about may happen.


    • YaReally
      on November 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm
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      “This is only true if there is no greater alpha or if there is some restraint upon the woman. There is always a bigger alpha somewhere.”

      This is true. But this is the solution for it:

      “A woman can think you are the greatest alpha ever even tho OBJECTIVELY you are not. If you have a strong reality/frame, she will pretty much anchor herself to you. She won’t really give any other guys an actual chance. If you are giving her tingles, she’ll only have eyes for you. It’s when you stop giving her tingles and start losing value that what you’re talking about may happen.”

      I’ve always said the one type of woman that’s impossible to seduce is the woman who sees her man as the highest value male around. Those girls won’t even let me get my foot in the door to demonstrate higher value than him. They’ll even apologize like “I’m sorry, I’m flattered really, but no” with a smile as I say hello, like it’s not even a possibility that they would give another guy a chance because they’ve already won the lottery in their mind and don’t have any interest in even entertaining the notion of other men.

      Objectively, her man isn’t the highest value man…there’s always some guy who’s higher value in society’s eyes. But that isn’t relevant because girls don’t run on logic, they run on emotion. If the girl believes that her man is the highest-value man for her, even if Brad Pitt walks into the room she’ll rationalize “sure he may be hot and rich but he’d be a one time thing and MY man will be around long-term and be a good father to our kids…besides I LIKE that my man isn’t a celebrity and doesn’t have to travel and deal with paparazzi and I like his belly it’s soft and cuddly etc.” and legitimately consider her man higher value even tho all of society would disagree with her objectively in the moment.

      How does that guy keep that value? The stuff listed above, about always working on yourself and your goals and all that shit…but also understanding that women ping off you for how to feel. “What you feel, she feels”. So if your internal frame is strong, even to the point of delusion, that you’re higher-value than Brad Pitt, she will believe that too.

      A big part of my game is massive unjustified confidence. In a high-end nightclub I’ll be hanging with a fucking DOCTOR, a guy who’s job is saving LIVES daily, who has an expensive beautiful condo and hits the gym daily etc and he’ll be scared to approach a girl because she’s hot. Or he’ll be talking to a girl and afterward ask me “do you think she likes me?” Like in his mind, despite his obvious massive value, he doesn’t believe he’s high value.

      Meanwhile I don’t have any of that but when the girl talks to me, in my mind I’m higher value than Clooney Pitt and Kanye combined, and to me the girl is lucky that she gets even a few minutes of my attention and that’s the confident vibe I give off, like she’s just won the jackpot even tho it’s not objectively based on anything.

      So she talks to both of us, and which of us do you think gets the attraction?

      Now if my doctor buddy stepped up and fully embraced his value, he would probably get the girl instead of me. But it’s SO fucking rare for a high value guy to fully believe he’s high value that it practically never happens. Even when it DOES happen, if I can chat with the dude and win him over and he sees me as a peer or higher-value, then the attraction is back to me…and this isn’t as hard to do as it might sound. Most high-value guys are nice dudes, not snobby dick-heads, and are happy to meet and befriend other high-value guys.

      The super alpha male badass who’s accomplished in all areas of life AND fully believes in his own worth IN all areas of life, is such a mythological creature that it’s not worth worrying about anymore than it’s worth worrying about a dragon taking your girl lol

      To bring this all back to the girl who won’t cheat, even if I believe I’m higher-value than her man, or even if all of society believes that, it doesn’t matter, because SHE believes he’s higher-value and she’ll rationalize away his faults and my assets, and will cut me off before I can even demonstrate value. She’s basically mentally on lockdown with her man…because all that matters is how SHE feels.

      Hypergamy is a perfectly logical and consistent concept…it just seems confusing and cold-hearted when you don’t understand it or when it burns you. When you understand it and embrace it instead of fighting it, you can make it work in your favor. I don’t need to BE higher-value than the other guys in the room…I just need her to feel like I am.


      • Lucky White Male
        on November 12, 2013 at 4:36 pm
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        Interesting again Ya

        Are you saying — I want to hear you correctly — are you actually saying that BRAD PITT, MARRIED Brad Pitt, could NOT fuck any woman he wanted basically if the logistics assured enough discreteness for a woman

        Are you saying that a married woman would pass up a
        “Brad Pitt” or his equivalent?

        A “Brad Pitt” would blow away the SMV of 99.9% of men walking around on the planet – no matter how perfect that husband was for some wife previous to laying eyes on Brad Pitt

        I’m not trying to challenge you. But I’ve assumed that all these societal rules that girls have, go out the window when in the presence of a man at least 3 SMV points higher (Rollo Tomassi)

        I thought this was an ironclad rule of thumb


        • YaReally
          on November 13, 2013 at 6:48 pm
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          “A “Brad Pitt” would blow away the SMV of 99.9% of men walking around on the planet – no matter how perfect that husband was for some wife previous to laying eyes on Brad Pitt”

          This goes back to my Pokemon champion example. If a Pokemon champion walks into the room, no one gives a shit and he’s probably actively LOWER value BECAUSE he’s a Pokemon champion. So to a girl in the room, dating a guy who doesn’t play Pokemon, she doesn’t give a fuck.

          But have that same guy walk into a Pokemon convention, and he’s a god. A girl there, dating a guy who doesn’t play Pokemon, but who has posters of this Pokemon champion all over her walls and has read every article on him and in her life Pokemon is super important…if he created the right circumstances, she would fuck him.

          This just comes down to relative value.

          So taking that back to Brad Pitt: if the girl puts value in things like celebrity status, adventurous one night stand memories, Brad Pitt himself, etc then she’ll fuck him if he creates the right circumstances. But if she doesn’t follow celebrity news, loves stability in her life, has no interest in ONS (so she doesn’t value the attributes he has) and at the same time she values things like long-term commitment, fatherhood-potential, etc (so she values attributes he wouldn’t be able to provide for her), she’ll choose her hubby who has her relative values.

          Most women respond to the same general values (social dominance, leadership, confidence, etc) so again I’m talking about the extreme ends of the spectrum here…but understanding this concept allows you to apply the knowledge in various ways, like a way to AMOG would be to frame the AMOGs features as unattractive (“wow that guy has a 6-pack, that’s awesome but he must spend all his time in the gym. I dunno, I’d rather have a belly and actually live my life and date girls lol have you girls ever had a boyfriend who ignores you to hang out at the gym all the time? That doesn’t even make sense to me lol”). Or when you run into a stripper, you be extra dominant/assholeish because odds are her value system involves dominance. Or when you run into a nice virgin girl you slow-play it because you know she values a guy who won’t pressure her about sex, etc etc

          A lot of this is just calibrating to the girl and deciding which parts of your personality to focus on demonstrating (VS completely changing your behavior/beliefs based on the girl, which would be supplicative…it’s subtle but there’s a difference).


          • Scray
            on November 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm
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            I don’t even worry about this shit tbh. It’s just so obvious that the connections you make with women using game are different. Most couples that I see are together for mostly non-game related reasons (guy is good looking and at best knows how to FAG). It’s no accident that when women talk about ‘love of my life’ or whatever, the relationship is totally different and the guy has a dynamic personality that engages the woman’s emotions.

            So….nothing is a sure thing against infidelity, but tight game is a rarity. Why? Because it’s so fxing hard to learn if you aren’t some sorta sick, wicked natural (not even the normal kind that picks up on AI’s and rolls in). The more you go out, the more you realize most guys are just wrapped up in their external bullshit and have insane amounts of insecurities. True confidence is a scarce thing.


    • Crazy Heart
      on November 12, 2013 at 3:19 pm
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      I have to disagree with this. I see this happen all the fucking time son. Something like this almost happened this weekend at one of my home spots. This woman was an easy 9 and her husband was a very high value alpha male with a lot of money and connections, but the “dream team” worked on her all night and he had to drag her out of there because she wanted to come home with us. She is probably going to show up there again sometime when he is out of town on a business trip.

      Seriously, we eat up almost any female who comes in there. The night before I was starting to attract a 9 who is married to this 7 foot alpha everyone is afraid of, but I had her going. On of his friends was in the bar spying on us and AMOGed me hard and got her out of there, but I only had been talking to her running some cold reading telling her she looked like a sneaky prankster who also liked to throw snide barbs out etc. I thought if was funny, because I wasn’t even trying hard and didn’t even care about like the AMOG spy did. If I really wanted to I could have pushed him out of the way and kept going, but I was being a good sport.


      • Scray
        on November 12, 2013 at 3:35 pm
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        You’re defining ALPHA and high value based on external attributes tho. Or I should say ‘non-personality’ attributes.


        • Scray
          on November 12, 2013 at 6:49 pm
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          The use is that DESPITE this ENTIRE blog being dedicated to the INTANGIBLE ways a man can make himself more alpha, the majority of the commenters hill still dunderheadedly equate alpha with accomplishments that only men care about.

          The entire blog is about game and what women respond to. The men here seem to ignore that and say ‘see this guy climbs a mountain, therefore alpha….what, this blog has several entries about how women could give a fuck about some guy’s bullet-point resume? who cares?! I DO. THEREFORE HE MUST BE ALPHA. THEREFORE I SAW AN ALPHA GET CHEATED ON. Q.E.D.’

          on top of that, most of the takeaway in the comments about game are ‘say like two words at a time and be a total asshole.’ Which is nonsense. it’s a bunch of people who can only juggle particulars, rather than first integrating and second connecting the particulars to the universal.

          Men see a serial killer who gets women. The men think — ‘oh women must like EVIL!’ Men see a guy text ‘gay’ who gets a woman’ ‘OH THAT’S IT…GAY.’ And so on, so on.

          Ultimately, the mindsets just turn the men negative and bitter, which will just make it worse for them.


          • YaReally
            on November 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm
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            alllllllllllll of this.



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Ras Al Ghul
on November 12, 2013 at 1:09 pm
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Scray:

“Women don’t cheat on alphas, or more accurately, women don’t cheat on men that they view as alphas. As long as you play FAG, with some DHV sprinkles here and there, I see no reason why a man couldn’t have a devoted life partner.”

This is only true if there is no greater alpha or if there is some restraint upon the woman. There is always a bigger alpha somewhere.

If there is a man she views as greater that she thinks she can trade up on, she will unless some part of her character or a social constraint preventing her.

The longer the long term relationship, the more she will see the beta in you. This is ok, in a way, as she gets farther past the wall . . . but then she gets farther past the wall.


  • Scray
    on November 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm
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    Yes, there will always be greater alphas, however women aren’t retarded — as much as the comment section on this blog likes to think so.

    A female 6 in looks who manages to LTR a male 8 through game/awesomeness will probably NEVER cheat on him — even if a male 9 comes along for a P and D. When the spread starts becoming too large, women instinctively back off.

    Honestly, would any man here throw away a committed good relationship with an 8, for one night with a 9? You guys can talk all the shit you want, but I already know what the real answer is.

    Last but not least, women do not think like men. A woman can think you are the greatest alpha ever even tho OBJECTIVELY you are not. If you have a strong reality/frame, she will pretty much anchor herself to you. She won’t really give any other guys an actual chance. If you are giving her tingles, she’ll only have eyes for you. It’s when you stop giving her tingles and start losing value that what you’re talking about may happen.


    • YaReally
      on November 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm
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      “This is only true if there is no greater alpha or if there is some restraint upon the woman. There is always a bigger alpha somewhere.”

      This is true. But this is the solution for it:

      “A woman can think you are the greatest alpha ever even tho OBJECTIVELY you are not. If you have a strong reality/frame, she will pretty much anchor herself to you. She won’t really give any other guys an actual chance. If you are giving her tingles, she’ll only have eyes for you. It’s when you stop giving her tingles and start losing value that what you’re talking about may happen.”

      I’ve always said the one type of woman that’s impossible to seduce is the woman who sees her man as the highest value male around. Those girls won’t even let me get my foot in the door to demonstrate higher value than him. They’ll even apologize like “I’m sorry, I’m flattered really, but no” with a smile as I say hello, like it’s not even a possibility that they would give another guy a chance because they’ve already won the lottery in their mind and don’t have any interest in even entertaining the notion of other men.

      Objectively, her man isn’t the highest value man…there’s always some guy who’s higher value in society’s eyes. But that isn’t relevant because girls don’t run on logic, they run on emotion. If the girl believes that her man is the highest-value man for her, even if Brad Pitt walks into the room she’ll rationalize “sure he may be hot and rich but he’d be a one time thing and MY man will be around long-term and be a good father to our kids…besides I LIKE that my man isn’t a celebrity and doesn’t have to travel and deal with paparazzi and I like his belly it’s soft and cuddly etc.” and legitimately consider her man higher value even tho all of society would disagree with her objectively in the moment.

      How does that guy keep that value? The stuff listed above, about always working on yourself and your goals and all that shit…but also understanding that women ping off you for how to feel. “What you feel, she feels”. So if your internal frame is strong, even to the point of delusion, that you’re higher-value than Brad Pitt, she will believe that too.

      A big part of my game is massive unjustified confidence. In a high-end nightclub I’ll be hanging with a fucking DOCTOR, a guy who’s job is saving LIVES daily, who has an expensive beautiful condo and hits the gym daily etc and he’ll be scared to approach a girl because she’s hot. Or he’ll be talking to a girl and afterward ask me “do you think she likes me?” Like in his mind, despite his obvious massive value, he doesn’t believe he’s high value.

      Meanwhile I don’t have any of that but when the girl talks to me, in my mind I’m higher value than Clooney Pitt and Kanye combined, and to me the girl is lucky that she gets even a few minutes of my attention and that’s the confident vibe I give off, like she’s just won the jackpot even tho it’s not objectively based on anything.

      So she talks to both of us, and which of us do you think gets the attraction?

      Now if my doctor buddy stepped up and fully embraced his value, he would probably get the girl instead of me. But it’s SO fucking rare for a high value guy to fully believe he’s high value that it practically never happens. Even when it DOES happen, if I can chat with the dude and win him over and he sees me as a peer or higher-value, then the attraction is back to me…and this isn’t as hard to do as it might sound. Most high-value guys are nice dudes, not snobby dick-heads, and are happy to meet and befriend other high-value guys.

      The super alpha male badass who’s accomplished in all areas of life AND fully believes in his own worth IN all areas of life, is such a mythological creature that it’s not worth worrying about anymore than it’s worth worrying about a dragon taking your girl lol

      To bring this all back to the girl who won’t cheat, even if I believe I’m higher-value than her man, or even if all of society believes that, it doesn’t matter, because SHE believes he’s higher-value and she’ll rationalize away his faults and my assets, and will cut me off before I can even demonstrate value. She’s basically mentally on lockdown with her man…because all that matters is how SHE feels.

      Hypergamy is a perfectly logical and consistent concept…it just seems confusing and cold-hearted when you don’t understand it or when it burns you. When you understand it and embrace it instead of fighting it, you can make it work in your favor. I don’t need to BE higher-value than the other guys in the room…I just need her to feel like I am.



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myne88
on November 6, 2013 at 1:59 pm
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Yeah it’s hard to believe any CH reader could be this retarded.

Still, I think the next time a girl I am with gets hit on I will try the pat-pat “go jerk off bro” line. Hilarious.


  • Tilikum
    on November 6, 2013 at 2:21 pm
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    hand on the back or gripping the tricep just behind the elbow is better. very little pressure to control a big ass motherfucker.

    it’s instinctual too. watch a dude calm right the fuck down.


    • pulsotic
      on November 6, 2013 at 4:04 pm
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      I haven’t heard that before. I’m trying to imagine a context or situation that would warrant that.

      These guys wanting to punch people are all missing the point. The reason they want to lash out is because they feel powerless and they want to take the power back.

      When an AMOG chumps them in front of women it should be a wake up call. They need self awareness of their actions and behavior that would telegraph weakness to strangers. Some guys are more alpha than others and just like starting at a HB6 before going up to an 8, AMOGING isn’t natural for them either and they need to get skills before tackling the big guys. They may be out of their league with the guys too.

      I’m willing to give the OP/troll the benefit of doubt considering it’s such a familiar story. Plus, PUA’s I know are arrogant enough to try to show off like that.
      The touching the face thing. The reason he wrote/trolled CH is because he isn’t the kind of guy to retaliate and the AMOG knew it. AMOGs aren’t just dumb beasts even though it seems like it sometimes. They are social strategists in their own way and wouldn’t touch another alpha’s face unless they wanted to fight.


      • YaReally
        on November 6, 2013 at 7:08 pm
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        “These guys wanting to punch people are all missing the point. The reason they want to lash out is because they feel powerless and they want to take the power back.”

        This.


        • Greg Eliot
          on November 7, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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          Shithouse psychology…

          Sometimes a punch is just a punch…. because it feels good… and the other clown needed it.

          This isn’t rocket surgery.


          • Scray
            on November 7, 2013 at 7:30 pm
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            Sometimes a punch is just a punch, except when greg follows that statement up by implying that the punch is about more than the punch. lol



YaReally
on November 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm
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lol troll. PUAs don’t hire ourselves out like dick-wielding hitmen. Any decent PUA would’ve told this guy to get over his one-itis.

No comment on the rest of it except to say that punching the guy out for him touching your face won’t get the girl…she wasn’t attracted to you before, she won’t be after that. You’d be risking jail or death/paralysis/etc. for the sake of some chick who won’t bang you either way and saving your ego in front of people who either don’t respect you already or don’t give a shit about you.

The reality is that giving a shit about “disrespect” comes from insecure ego protection. If you knew you could turn around after the face touch and go fuck the 3 hottest chicks in the room at the same time you would not give a fuck. But you can’t, so your brain panics “omg everyone including myself will think I’m a pussy if I don’t do something!!”

Nothing that happens in a bar is worth fighting over. That’s what bouncers, cops, etc. are for.

http://theactualityoffighting.blogspot.ca/ – type “one punch” into the Search form


  • askjoe
    on November 6, 2013 at 3:22 pm
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    totes. wouldn’t a real person hire a hot chick to fuck the amog to rat him out to his would be smoochie?


    • Scray
      on November 6, 2013 at 3:27 pm
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      this would make his smoochie more attracted to him. If he existed.



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YaReally
on November 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm
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lol troll. PUAs don’t hire ourselves out like dick-wielding hitmen. Any decent PUA would’ve told this guy to get over his one-itis.

No comment on the rest of it except to say that punching the guy out for him touching your face won’t get the girl…she wasn’t attracted to you before, she won’t be after that. You’d be risking jail or death/paralysis/etc. for the sake of some chick who won’t bang you either way and saving your ego in front of people who either don’t respect you already or don’t give a shit about you.

The reality is that giving a shit about “disrespect” comes from insecure ego protection. If you knew you could turn around after the face touch and go fuck the 3 hottest chicks in the room at the same time you would not give a fuck. But you can’t, so your brain panics “omg everyone including myself will think I’m a pussy if I don’t do something!!”

Nothing that happens in a bar is worth fighting over. That’s what bouncers, cops, etc. are for.

http://theactualityoffighting.blogspot.ca/ – type “one punch” into the Search form


  • askjoe
    on November 6, 2013 at 3:22 pm
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    totes. wouldn’t a real person hire a hot chick to fuck the amog to rat him out to his would be smoochie?


    • Scray
      on November 6, 2013 at 3:27 pm
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      this would make his smoochie more attracted to him. If he existed.



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Patrice
on November 6, 2013 at 3:21 pm
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The reality is that giving a shit about “disrespect” comes from insecure ego protection. If you knew you could turn around after the face touch and go fuck the 3 hottest chicks in the room at the same time you would not give a fuck. But you can’t, so your brain panics “omg everyone including myself will think I’m a pussy if I don’t do something!!”

If I knew I could have the hottest chicks in the room it would still bug me (or maybe I’m just speaking from a beta point of view?). He can try and humiliate me all he wants with his words but he should never touch me.

AMOGS who do that probably size up their victims beforehand knowing that they won’t fight back.

What’s the best response when this happens? Like CH said verbally try and own him? ie “what is that like a signal for gay sex?”


  • YaReally
    on November 6, 2013 at 4:44 pm
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    “it would still bug me”

    Why?

    He didn’t punch you, just touched you condescendingly. Is it being treated like a little bitch by another man that would bug you? ’cause that’s just an ego-based reaction…”aww man, he thinks I’m a pussy, I have to do something to make him not think I’m a pussy!!”

    I’m not saying you have to ignore it, but 1) it shouldn’t phase you, and 2) it doesn’t warrant physical assault or escalating things to a fight…that shit is just trying to save face, avoid embarrassment, etc. which are all just forms of ego-protection which is based in a scarcity/insecure mindset.


    • YaReally
      on November 6, 2013 at 4:51 pm
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      On top of that, what will you do when you’re too old to physically fight?

      What about when you have 2 kids at home that need you to be able to come home safe so you can take care of them and need you to not spend a month in the hospital or wasting their college fund on lawyer fees defending yourself?

      What about when the guy has 4 buddies behind you watching that you don’t realize are his buddies until they jump you on your way out the door after a couple more beers?

      It’s the same lesson they tried to teach everyone in Back To The Future where Marty tries to not look like a bitch whenever he gets called “chicken”, and then he realizes he would’ve gotten smoked by another car for no real reason in an attempt to save face.

      Sooner or later you gotta’ grow up and learn to handle your shit without violence.


      • Patrice
        on November 6, 2013 at 5:01 pm
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        Sooner or later you gotta’ grow up and learn to handle your shit without violence.

        So the best case scenario is to tool the guy with words and make him look stupid without getting your ass kicked?

        Or tool him back and then befriend him?

        Or be so self assured that this stuff wouldn’t even bother you and everyone would know the AMOG is an idiot?

        Don’t have to answer these questions btw I’m just putting out thoughts.


        • Scray
          on November 7, 2013 at 1:30 am
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          Lol this shit has actually happened to me. It really depends on context. In private with your bros — like at a kickback or house party — knock yourself out…try to wrestle him or trip him or push him, etc. As long as you know going into it that it’s just going to make you both look like fagchumps lol But hey, that -is- how guys bond sometimes.

          As a little guy I have been AMOG’d hard — literally slapped twice — in social settings. There’s this guy, 6’6 who just likes to tool everyone as hard as he can because of his height. He’s lanky as fuck, and is generally a decent guy — but he’s used to people deferring to him because of his height and when it doesn’t happen, because other people (me or anyone else) slowly prove themselves to be tighter, he starts with very lame obvious AMOG attempts.

          Anyway, after several other attempts (like him taking something I was holding and throwing it away), finally….he slapped me one time. The first time I just turned it into a joke by not reacting and continuing to talk. But then, he did it again about a week later — this is when I was starting to get better at holding court. I didn’t pause, I didn’t flinch, I just threw my drink in his fucking face. (Hilarious visual because it went up in a directed spray) Imagine how the Dog Whisperer does his little ‘psst’ thing. It was like that. I knew he was all bark and no bite, and when push came to shove what did he do?

          “SCRAY WHAT THE FUCK? DUDE? WHAT THE FUCK? JESUS CHRIST YOU FUCKING MORON, WHAT THE FUCK?”

          And as he does it, I just turn as though a dog is barking. /ignore. Value rises.
          Now, I know this guy pretty well so….lol throwing a drink in his face was a very calculated move based on a LOT of observation. Honestly tho, it’s different in social circle. There’s so much to that.

          See, naturals/lesser alphas/whatever fight with one another all the goddamned time. Always testing one another. That’s all it is lol. Seriously. It’s kind of retarded. But, you have to fight back….because that’s how you get known as ‘one of the group.’ When you get known as ‘one of the group,’ in a group of high status dudes….well, then your status rises and you gain that reputation. Plus, lol….I have a bajillion stories to tell.

          If it was a random who did that to me in a group of randoms? lol. Peace. I ain’t fighting over or with any strangers. Congrats phags, you win.

          So there are the situations. If you’re trying to break in (or raise your status within) a high status social group, prepare to be tested and AMOG’d. In those cases, I’d say that you HAVE to fight back in SOME way. You have to observe the other dudes in the group and do something that you know they won’t come back at you on — which takes skill. Some would say….calibration.


          • YaReally
            on November 7, 2013 at 12:24 pm
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            Lol’ed at the instant drink in his face then ignore. Solid.

            Ya, social circle is different. Guys play-wrestle and talk shit etc all the time. I’m too old for the wrestling shit with my younger buddies but I’ll verbally tool them as a bonding thing. It’s safe in social circles cause you know it’s not gonna end with a knife in your gut…at WORST it’ll end in a drunken wrestle-fest where you guys vent whatever baggage you have with eachother out and then buy eachother a beer.

            I remember when I first got into pickup and started socializing and building social circles, I just thought guys were mean lol I didn’t understand the whole “test eachother out, establish the order” etc thing. I just thought guys were stupid. I still think it’s dumb when two of my buddies wrestle before the bar and one gets a bloody nose and both are sweaty as ballsacks and obviously the little guy who everyone knew would lose lost, but I understand what they’re doing now lol

            A big part of why I’m able to befriend AMOGs is because I don’t take their tooling personally. I know they don’t ACTUALLY mean to hurt me if, say, they slap me or tool me. They’re just seeing what I’ll do so they can place me in the hierarchy in their mind. So I’m emotionally detached from it. I’m a bit chubby so if they called me fat I don’t defend myself and get mad because I know they’re just trying to guess at what I’d be insecure about…instead I agree and amplify and make the girls rub my belly. Then when the guy is looking puzzled at how that backfired on him, I compliment his 6-pack (since by tooling my weight I know physique is a value to him) and ask for some workout/diet tips and let him feel cool in front of the girls that were rubbing my belly and I tell the girls he’s a cool guy. Now he and I are BFFs and the girls are hanging with two high-value guys. Nice and simple and much better than getting pissed about him tooling my weight and defending myself and getting into a fight over it. There’s legitimately no hard feelings on my end, the same way I don’t hold shit-testing against girls…they’re just acting on instinct.



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Patrice
on November 6, 2013 at 3:21 pm
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The reality is that giving a shit about “disrespect” comes from insecure ego protection. If you knew you could turn around after the face touch and go fuck the 3 hottest chicks in the room at the same time you would not give a fuck. But you can’t, so your brain panics “omg everyone including myself will think I’m a pussy if I don’t do something!!”

If I knew I could have the hottest chicks in the room it would still bug me (or maybe I’m just speaking from a beta point of view?). He can try and humiliate me all he wants with his words but he should never touch me.

AMOGS who do that probably size up their victims beforehand knowing that they won’t fight back.

What’s the best response when this happens? Like CH said verbally try and own him? ie “what is that like a signal for gay sex?”


  • YaReally
    on November 6, 2013 at 4:44 pm
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    “it would still bug me”

    Why?

    He didn’t punch you, just touched you condescendingly. Is it being treated like a little bitch by another man that would bug you? ’cause that’s just an ego-based reaction…”aww man, he thinks I’m a pussy, I have to do something to make him not think I’m a pussy!!”

    I’m not saying you have to ignore it, but 1) it shouldn’t phase you, and 2) it doesn’t warrant physical assault or escalating things to a fight…that shit is just trying to save face, avoid embarrassment, etc. which are all just forms of ego-protection which is based in a scarcity/insecure mindset.


    • Scray
      on November 7, 2013 at 1:30 am
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      Lol this shit has actually happened to me. It really depends on context. In private with your bros — like at a kickback or house party — knock yourself out…try to wrestle him or trip him or push him, etc. As long as you know going into it that it’s just going to make you both look like fagchumps lol But hey, that -is- how guys bond sometimes.

      As a little guy I have been AMOG’d hard — literally slapped twice — in social settings. There’s this guy, 6’6 who just likes to tool everyone as hard as he can because of his height. He’s lanky as fuck, and is generally a decent guy — but he’s used to people deferring to him because of his height and when it doesn’t happen, because other people (me or anyone else) slowly prove themselves to be tighter, he starts with very lame obvious AMOG attempts.

      Anyway, after several other attempts (like him taking something I was holding and throwing it away), finally….he slapped me one time. The first time I just turned it into a joke by not reacting and continuing to talk. But then, he did it again about a week later — this is when I was starting to get better at holding court. I didn’t pause, I didn’t flinch, I just threw my drink in his fucking face. (Hilarious visual because it went up in a directed spray) Imagine how the Dog Whisperer does his little ‘psst’ thing. It was like that. I knew he was all bark and no bite, and when push came to shove what did he do?

      “SCRAY WHAT THE FUCK? DUDE? WHAT THE FUCK? JESUS CHRIST YOU FUCKING MORON, WHAT THE FUCK?”

      And as he does it, I just turn as though a dog is barking. /ignore. Value rises.
      Now, I know this guy pretty well so….lol throwing a drink in his face was a very calculated move based on a LOT of observation. Honestly tho, it’s different in social circle. There’s so much to that.

      See, naturals/lesser alphas/whatever fight with one another all the goddamned time. Always testing one another. That’s all it is lol. Seriously. It’s kind of retarded. But, you have to fight back….because that’s how you get known as ‘one of the group.’ When you get known as ‘one of the group,’ in a group of high status dudes….well, then your status rises and you gain that reputation. Plus, lol….I have a bajillion stories to tell.

      If it was a random who did that to me in a group of randoms? lol. Peace. I ain’t fighting over or with any strangers. Congrats phags, you win.

      So there are the situations. If you’re trying to break in (or raise your status within) a high status social group, prepare to be tested and AMOG’d. In those cases, I’d say that you HAVE to fight back in SOME way. You have to observe the other dudes in the group and do something that you know they won’t come back at you on — which takes skill. Some would say….calibration.



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Young Journeyman
on November 7, 2013 at 9:06 am
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@Yareally

I’ve seen you post stuff from manhood101.com , I’ve almost finished their principiles101 and it certainly makes sense and “feels” true but right at the end they basically plug their own subscription .

Now I’ve looked a little into their courses and I do like that they cater to international people buuut just to be sure I won’t lose my money, what is your opinion on them?

Also is it possible to apply all that stuff without actually getting an instructor? I ask because I live with other people that i’ve known for 10+ years and it would be embarassing as fuck to get ‘social training’ over skype especially when they can hear everything I say / do in my room.


  • YaReally
    on November 7, 2013 at 11:58 am
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    Don’t pay for shit. You can learn everything you need to learn on your own with free stuff online. Hit up RSDNation and watch their free videos, tons of good free content there.

    The key is making an effort to go out and apply what you’ve learned in your day to day life. Cause even if you took a course with an instructor, sooner or later the course would be over and you’d be left to rely on yourself lol

    I’ve never taken a bootcamp or had an instructor…I just put a lot of time/dedication in.


    • Lumpy
      on November 7, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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      First, ygm.

      Any tips for knocking down bitch shields faster? Shit I should read or vids to watch?

      I’ve hooked up with a couple 6s and 7s the past couple of months through social circle and dates following cold approach, and pulled one girl same night. I get bored of them really fast and I want hotter girls.

      My biggest sticking point is approach anxiety, and I’m dependent on getting a positive reaction within the first minute of the initial approach and if a girl doesn’t give me that I’m out.

      Especially out at hopping bars, the 8+ girls have bitch shields that I don’t have the state or testicular fortitude to plow through. I often I get a backturn, or I say some shit that comes out as tryhard and cliche and within 45 sec she’s back to her friends. That mentally cascades and I find I can’t approach at all by 12:30 or 1am.

      Ultimately I’m working at having fun and liking talking to people more (mad props for context switching between computer work and girls, I do software and I basically hate fun after a day of work. :P ). Until then I’m dependent on tricks to buoy my state. Sooooo, any tips on handling bitch shields more quickly, before anxiety eats me and I eject? I’ve avoided any sort of conscious negging. I’m not sure I have the social calibration to pull them off without insulting the girl. I’m open to working on them, but any other approaches would be great too.

      Thanks!


      • Scray
        on November 7, 2013 at 4:42 pm
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        ‘I’m dependent on getting a positive reaction within the first minute of the initial approach and if a girl doesn’t give me that I’m out.’

        Lower your standards for what counts as a positive reaction. Ultimately tho, I agree that if they are cold fish at the 5 minute mark — move on.

        As for how to handle it? All a bitch shield is is another form of social pressure. The best way to learn is to just. stay. in. set. Literally stay until shit gets so fucking awkward that you’re not even sure if breathing is okay. Over time, you will get more comfortable, and you will realize that the best way to punch through a bitch shield is to smirk and ignore it. Pretend she’s just about to suck your dick and act accordingly. Why? Because chicks really dig that. Like, some girls LOVE to just fucking rip on you and be total bitches, and after you take the abuse without flinching for a few minutes, they start to REALLY warm up to you.

        And actually, regarding shit tests….may seem counter-intuitive, but try being smirkingly polite in response and ignoring the test altogether.

        Example:

        Me: Ya I like old rock a lot, like Van Halen before they got lame.
        Her: They’re like 30 years old, you’re lame (assume a bitch tone)
        Me: (smile, head tilt) Oh, so you’re a fan of newer music (just pleasant as fuck)
        Her: Yeah, I tend to like music that came out in the last decade.
        Me: Yeah a lot of people think that’s more relevant to them. (pleasant as fuck)
        Her: (will start to get ‘irritated’) Uhhhh yeah….(you keep talking to group, while she slowly realizes she can’t phase you, will probably laugh at your reactions from here on out)

        You don’t have to get into a verbal tit-for-tat if you don’t want to — altho that’s a great way to get some good attraction going, too. I’m just saying you can be pleasant and still build attraction and destroy shit tests.



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Young Journeyman
on November 7, 2013 at 9:06 am
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@Yareally

I’ve seen you post stuff from manhood101.com , I’ve almost finished their principiles101 and it certainly makes sense and “feels” true but right at the end they basically plug their own subscription .

Now I’ve looked a little into their courses and I do like that they cater to international people buuut just to be sure I won’t lose my money, what is your opinion on them?

Also is it possible to apply all that stuff without actually getting an instructor? I ask because I live with other people that i’ve known for 10+ years and it would be embarassing as fuck to get ‘social training’ over skype especially when they can hear everything I say / do in my room.


  • YaReally
    on November 7, 2013 at 11:58 am
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    Don’t pay for shit. You can learn everything you need to learn on your own with free stuff online. Hit up RSDNation and watch their free videos, tons of good free content there.

    The key is making an effort to go out and apply what you’ve learned in your day to day life. Cause even if you took a course with an instructor, sooner or later the course would be over and you’d be left to rely on yourself lol

    I’ve never taken a bootcamp or had an instructor…I just put a lot of time/dedication in.


    • Scray
      on November 7, 2013 at 4:42 pm
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      ‘I’m dependent on getting a positive reaction within the first minute of the initial approach and if a girl doesn’t give me that I’m out.’

      Lower your standards for what counts as a positive reaction. Ultimately tho, I agree that if they are cold fish at the 5 minute mark — move on.

      As for how to handle it? All a bitch shield is is another form of social pressure. The best way to learn is to just. stay. in. set. Literally stay until shit gets so fucking awkward that you’re not even sure if breathing is okay. Over time, you will get more comfortable, and you will realize that the best way to punch through a bitch shield is to smirk and ignore it. Pretend she’s just about to suck your dick and act accordingly. Why? Because chicks really dig that. Like, some girls LOVE to just fucking rip on you and be total bitches, and after you take the abuse without flinching for a few minutes, they start to REALLY warm up to you.

      And actually, regarding shit tests….may seem counter-intuitive, but try being smirkingly polite in response and ignoring the test altogether.

      Example:

      Me: Ya I like old rock a lot, like Van Halen before they got lame.
      Her: They’re like 30 years old, you’re lame (assume a bitch tone)
      Me: (smile, head tilt) Oh, so you’re a fan of newer music (just pleasant as fuck)
      Her: Yeah, I tend to like music that came out in the last decade.
      Me: Yeah a lot of people think that’s more relevant to them. (pleasant as fuck)
      Her: (will start to get ‘irritated’) Uhhhh yeah….(you keep talking to group, while she slowly realizes she can’t phase you, will probably laugh at your reactions from here on out)

      You don’t have to get into a verbal tit-for-tat if you don’t want to — altho that’s a great way to get some good attraction going, too. I’m just saying you can be pleasant and still build attraction and destroy shit tests.



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Mission Man
on November 5, 2013 at 12:45 pm
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Lessons from a power alpha:

Someone from my social circle is as alpha as they get. Tall, built, smart, Harvard law grad. Senior counsel at some fortune 100 company. His wife is a hard 9 with crystal blue eyes. She works at biomed company makes over 100k he makes 300k.

They just posted on facebook that they are having their first child. 100 plus likes and a plethora of comments. In his younger years he probably banged 50 plus chicks, mostly hot girls. When I heard he got into Harvard law I realized what a badass he truly was. Played football in highschool was always a top tier guy. But opposed to the other one hit wonders (guys that were stars in high school) then faded into ignominy he continued to rise in the ranks of social standing. He worked at it.

He had the best pic of single women around him and he landed one of the most beautiful girls that I know. Now with the baby on the way he will begin his own family as his own patriarch. This, is as alpha as you can be.

No gamer can EVER compete with this. EVER EVER EVER. This is why it is important to have some shit going on in your life otherwise all the game you learn will only get you so far. All accomplishment and no game is beta. All game and no accomplishment is also beta. When the years turn your target range will shrivel up quickly.


  • Scray
    on November 5, 2013 at 1:03 pm
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    Ya, that’s why there are tons of losers playing videogames all day and smoking weed while the gfs they cheat on support them, buy them everything, etc.


    • Mission man
      on November 5, 2013 at 2:36 pm
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      I’m friends with a high status girl. Not only is she hot, but from a prominent family, is smart, educated (top 20 university) and is very selective in her dating preferences.

      No way she fuck some unemployed loser lol. She’s getting courted by the tip top males.


      • YaReally
        on November 5, 2013 at 3:43 pm
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        “No way she fuck some unemployed loser lol. She’s getting courted by the tip top males.”

        Hearing this never stops being amusing. She probably won’t long-term date and marry an “unemployed loser” to be her Provider husband because obviously other guys chasing her would make better Providers, but under the right circumstances she’ll make one a fuckbuddy. And she’ll spend her husband’s money on him.

        Girls don’t think with logic when a guy is making them feel emotions, they think with their emotions. That’s why when someone asks them what they want or what they’d do, they answer logically…but in the moment it “just happened”.


  • Hunter
    on November 5, 2013 at 1:17 pm
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    You’re too blinded by the image of “success” to realize this, but this doesn’t impress anyone but lower status individuals. If you were at the same level as he is you’d be like “Okay, great, so he basically just works a lot…”


    • Mission Man
      on November 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm
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      Tons of hamsterbation on this board.

      Even the CH alpha male test lists career status, level of prestige and income as factors in alpha male status. In addition amount of hair, height, body mass index, weight lifting strength, aggression, etc.

      Unemployed loser playing video games pulling high quality chicks= fat girl saying “they like my personality”


      • Scray
        on November 5, 2013 at 3:46 pm
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        Lists them as proxies for alpha male status. Read that article by the attractive man — a lot of those external factors do contribute to the necessary inner “attitude.” HOWEVER….it’s the inner attitude that counts for a lot of the success.


        • immoralgables
          on November 5, 2013 at 4:36 pm
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          +1

          Btw, how you holding up man? Read about your situ with Ms. Miscarriage over the weekend. Hope you’re doing well bro I think you will make out okay.

          Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn.


          • YaReally
            on November 5, 2013 at 9:21 pm
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            @Scray
            “The 7 knows this chick and was friends with her. it’s only a matter of time before she finds out i imagine.”

            ooooooo shit. Didn’t know this. Ya that is a ticking time bomb that’s going to blow up in your face down the road. Just so you don’t get blindsided, be mentally prepared for that to happen.



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on November 5, 2013 at 12:45 pm
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Lessons from a power alpha:

Someone from my social circle is as alpha as they get. Tall, built, smart, Harvard law grad. Senior counsel at some fortune 100 company. His wife is a hard 9 with crystal blue eyes. She works at biomed company makes over 100k he makes 300k.

They just posted on facebook that they are having their first child. 100 plus likes and a plethora of comments. In his younger years he probably banged 50 plus chicks, mostly hot girls. When I heard he got into Harvard law I realized what a badass he truly was. Played football in highschool was always a top tier guy. But opposed to the other one hit wonders (guys that were stars in high school) then faded into ignominy he continued to rise in the ranks of social standing. He worked at it.

He had the best pic of single women around him and he landed one of the most beautiful girls that I know. Now with the baby on the way he will begin his own family as his own patriarch. This, is as alpha as you can be.

No gamer can EVER compete with this. EVER EVER EVER. This is why it is important to have some shit going on in your life otherwise all the game you learn will only get you so far. All accomplishment and no game is beta. All game and no accomplishment is also beta. When the years turn your target range will shrivel up quickly.


  • Scray
    on November 5, 2013 at 1:03 pm
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    Ya, that’s why there are tons of losers playing videogames all day and smoking weed while the gfs they cheat on support them, buy them everything, etc.


    • YaReally
      on November 5, 2013 at 3:43 pm
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      “No way she fuck some unemployed loser lol. She’s getting courted by the tip top males.”

      Hearing this never stops being amusing. She probably won’t long-term date and marry an “unemployed loser” to be her Provider husband because obviously other guys chasing her would make better Providers, but under the right circumstances she’ll make one a fuckbuddy. And she’ll spend her husband’s money on him.

      Girls don’t think with logic when a guy is making them feel emotions, they think with their emotions. That’s why when someone asks them what they want or what they’d do, they answer logically…but in the moment it “just happened”.



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the latent sadist
on November 4, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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verbosity in text is definitely a turn off. i think it just signals scarcity. there are hacks and things you can employ to give the right impression…but you will give he right impression if you shift from scarcity to abundance mentality. Its such a worn out maxim at this point but its completely true. All people need to know is that an abundance in prospects and abundance in actual sex will free you from the tells that give away your lower status. Its frustrating as fuck to be starting from scratch. No prospects, so sex. you have to go generate some options if you want to avoid the desperate example in this post. Girls are very attuned to signals of scarcity…little offhand comments you make that show you remember details that shes forgotten…etc. this was like a neon bright endorsement of your lack of options. its a phase you go through.


  • cryo
    on November 4, 2013 at 2:40 pm
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    Verbose texts aren’t the vagina clamper you make them out to be. It’s all in the content. I can write a long text that’s not beta or approval-seeking. Sometimes when I text girls its almost like I’m talking to myself. But again, I truly don’t give an evergreen fuck and it comes across in my words.


    • Life at Calhoun's Lake
      on November 4, 2013 at 3:15 pm
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      Oh you CAN send verbose texts if you know what you’re doing. But for the guy that hasn’t been laid in the last half decade, every extra word is just one more turn at russian roulette.


      • rikard
        on November 4, 2013 at 4:53 pm
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        i like to imagine myself being brad pitt, what would brad pitt do if he wanted to get laid? he´d probably text: lets meet, my place at X time.

        better have her thinking im uninteresting than a try hardjackass


        • Scray
          on November 4, 2013 at 4:54 pm
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          I could write so much about why I think the ‘Brad Pitt’ test is stupid. Brad Pitt already has ultimate value to the girl. Unless you are similarly situated, it’s mental masturbation.


          • YaReally
            on November 4, 2013 at 5:23 pm
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            “Brad Pitt already has ultimate value to the girl.”

            Yep. A creepy/shy/low-value dude who uses jumbotron game is not the same as Brad Pitt using jumbotron game…BP has established value so he can be a jumbotron.

            There are very few instances where a jumbotron text will ESTABLISH high-value where there was none before.

            If you’re going to be jumbotronning, you’d better have been captivatingly high-value as fuck in person so you have high-value established and your jumbotron txts work.

            The prob for most guys learning game is that they aren’t good at the actual pickup and they get what’s already a pretty shaky number as it is because they don’t have the fundamentals down yet, so they seem “okay” to the girl…a nice/cool enough dude to give him a shot but they’re not gonna chase him down begging him to take their number.

            So this hypothetical guy learning game #-closes her with say a 5/10 value (Brad Pitt being a 10/10 value , Matt King being a 1/10 value). But now he has to txt…if he worked on some solid text game and learned to tease, build comfort/rapport, push/pull, roleplay, etc (ie – conveying his personality) he could bump his value up to like a 7/10 and she wouldn’t flake and would bang him.

            But he actively applies jumbotron txts so she doesn’t get any real glimpse into who he is because he’s being all aloof, which at a 7+/10 is fine, but as a 5/10? He’s gonna drop down to a 4/10 because he isn’t interesting and wasn’t starting from a high enough value point and she loses interest and/or flakes.

            Then he listens to the “I just tell girls lets fuck and if they say no I Next that bitch” dipshits who tell him she just couldn’t handle all his alphaness and actually he totally Next’ed her like a boss lol

            If he had run a brilliant initial pickup, he’d be going into txting as like a 7/10 so he could afford to be aloof.

            This is why 1) when guys first start collecting #s in 30-second #-close rampages, they’re devastated to find out that 99% of those numbers flaked and 2) why we encourage guys to go for the full close, not just the #…the further you can get in the pickup before having to resort to txting, the more value you’re going into the initial txt convo with.



Scray
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Here are my thoughts on the ‘attitude.’ The ‘attitude’ serves two purposes IMHO — first, it allows you to keep going. Rejected once? Twice? Thrice? Frice? Who cares, keep plowing. Second, it’s what turns a spark into a flame.

Without a spark — and maybe this is sacrilegious — you aren’t going anywhere. But with AT LEAST a spark, you can create a fire. Or you can stomp out that little spark with gay anti-game.

I just think most guys only get with girls when there’s already a fire raging lol. They’re that clueless. And seriously, the ‘spark’ is this simple to me: does she react to your presence, or not. If no, then move on. If yes…you can fuck that girl.

You use direct opener on girl 1: hey what’s up, you look cool gonna talk to you guys for a sec.

Girl 1: [flat tone, but still polite] Oh, well sorry not interested.

Probably can’t fuck that girl

Girl 2: [emotionally regretful tone, looks at her friend, laughs a little] Oh………well sorry, not interested.

Maybe you can fuck that girl. Now maybe something is getting in the way — her friend’s judgment, her bf is there, the logistics are terrible, etc etc etc. But there is ONE path you could take (at least) that ends in you fucking her.

FR –

Convo on college campus where a girl is sitting studying. 6.5, 21y/o. Hella.

Me: Hey, sorry to interrupt you but you look pretty cool and I just wanted to come say hi. I’m Scray
Her: ….hey Scray, I’m 6.5, nice to meet you. Do you go here?
Me: Nah, but I live like right across the street.
Her: Oh, that’s cool
Me: Ya, so that’s a pretty thick book. I’m not gonna lie, I was planning on starting a grift with you where y’know….you’d do everyone’s homework for them and we’d make money off of it.
Her: …..what? Wait….what would you be doing?
Me: Making money. I just told you.
Her: (she laughs)

Get her number, we set up a day 2. Easy, right? WRONG. This was last week just before shit really hit the fan. Behold, the effect of heartbreak on ‘game’ The day before the day 2 I didn’t hear from her. So the day of the day 2

Me: hey did you want to take a rain check on meeting? Haven’t heard from you
Her: I’m sorry
Her: How often are we supposed to talk?
Her: So are we canceling?
Me: No I’m not canceling. Just wondering
Her: How often do you expect to talk
Me: I don’t expect anything. Just curious. Relax
Her: I’m curious too
Her: how often
Me: Idk, if we hit it off every day I guess (……….wut)
Her: ok
Her: Just so I have an understanding
Me: Is 9 a good meetup time? (…….wut)
Me: (3 hours later) Hello? (……wut)
Me: (2 hours later) K gonna assume you can’t make it tonight (….cringe)
Her: (30 mins later) ?
Her: Ok that’s fine I’ll just see you some other day
Her: You freak out immediately if I don’t have my phone every 5 seconds
Me: when I have plans I confirm a few hours before (ya that’s good…just try to slap the puppy in the face….)
Her: well we don’t have plans anymore so you’re fine
Me: Ya. Just my etiquette (AWESUUUUM)
Her: that’s fine
Her: Sorry to waste your time
Her: I don’t text you enough anyway, so sorry.
Me: You free any other days
Her: No
Her: I’m not going to do this to you again
Her: I don’t think I’m good for you
Me: Don’t see what the deal is but K ttyl.
Her: You’re the one who made a big deal. You want ppl to text you a lot and respond right away.
Me: later (fuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark)

So anyway, that slipped through my fingers. She was cute, too. lol.
On to the sarge —

First set, hb 7 sitting by herself on her phone

Me: You playing tetris on there or something?
Her: Hahahaha, noooo…..just….doing nothing really
Me: Did all your friends leave you here by yourself….
Her: No, my husband is at the bar getting us drinks.
Me: Oh wow, you bitch
Her: hahahahaha!
Me: Just shit on my heart. Ha. Later

Next set, walking by these two chicks at the bar — a SOFT 5 and a 6.
5: Hey, that shirt’s pretty cool
Me: ….thanks.

Long story short, the 6 was having some sort of lame-ass bachelorette party or whatever. My wing rolled into the venue at around this time and tried to come over to help with this set…and he was running classic happy-fun-go material, but honestly, I’m not giving much value to a set that doesn’t do it for me. So I actually bounced — and they were talking to me about whatever bullshit was going on with them lol. It’s mental masturbation but 40% fuck-probability on the 6 and 80% on the 5. Srs.

3 — 5,6,6.5 — chicks sitting down as I’m walking out the venue.

Me: Any of you guys interested
All three: Nah, not really.
Me: Have a nice night (give one a high 5)

Next set, a 7 and a 5 sitting down…

Me: Hey, you guys look cool, do you want to talk?
7: Wait, what?
Me: Do you guys want to talk?
7:……aren’t we talking?
Me: ……all right, come on, cut the shit, you know what I mean (lol)
7: (raises eyebrows)……well we’re actually waiting on people.
Me: Okay….have a good night.

Next set — a 7.5 and her 5 friend sitting at the bar.

Me: (I nailed this delivery at least, good body language, good tone, etc) Hey, I just thought you looked lovely and had to come meet you. I’m Scray
7.5: Ohhh….you’re cute, too. Hi Scray, I’m 7.5…nice to meet you….but my boyfriend is right over there. This is my friend, 5.
Me: Hi, 5. Well you guys have a good night.

By chance I run into some friends — classic social circle shit. Two 6′s are there that I realize I could fuck if I pulled the trigger, and a 6.5 that my gut says I could fuck if I pulled the trigger but I’m too chicken shit (she’s also been with two of my friends, so it’d be a little weird).

I think while I deal with this heartbreak I’m just gonna go light direct. I know what I want now….like a girl who looks as good as the 7 but who’s a demon in bed like she-who-will-not-be-named. So I’m just in the mood to screen hard.

There are other girls, too. Like I met this one girl at a halloween party who’s a 7 but she has a bf…so I’m keeping light contact with that one. I mean, compared to last year……at least there are way more prospects, lol. Cause the lineup I have now….I’m just gonna have to change up completely.


  • YaReally
    on November 5, 2013 at 5:24 pm
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    I found a video of you txting that girl:

    http://www.wowheylook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/trainwreck-o.gif

    Lol no comment on any of this cause you know it was a mess. This is part of why I recommend taking a little time off, your know the right actions to take but your headspace is just not going to be in the right place for a while…which is good, it means you’re still human. It’s okay to take a couple weeks off to just sort your head out. You might lose a little ground, but you’re not going to gain any at this rate anyway lol

    You’ll be back to form sooner or later, no worries.



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Scray
on November 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm
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Here are my thoughts on the ‘attitude.’ The ‘attitude’ serves two purposes IMHO — first, it allows you to keep going. Rejected once? Twice? Thrice? Frice? Who cares, keep plowing. Second, it’s what turns a spark into a flame.

Without a spark — and maybe this is sacrilegious — you aren’t going anywhere. But with AT LEAST a spark, you can create a fire. Or you can stomp out that little spark with gay anti-game.

I just think most guys only get with girls when there’s already a fire raging lol. They’re that clueless. And seriously, the ‘spark’ is this simple to me: does she react to your presence, or not. If no, then move on. If yes…you can fuck that girl.

You use direct opener on girl 1: hey what’s up, you look cool gonna talk to you guys for a sec.

Girl 1: [flat tone, but still polite] Oh, well sorry not interested.

Probably can’t fuck that girl

Girl 2: [emotionally regretful tone, looks at her friend, laughs a little] Oh………well sorry, not interested.

Maybe you can fuck that girl. Now maybe something is getting in the way — her friend’s judgment, her bf is there, the logistics are terrible, etc etc etc. But there is ONE path you could take (at least) that ends in you fucking her.

FR —

Convo on college campus where a girl is sitting studying. 6.5, 21y/o. Hella.

Me: Hey, sorry to interrupt you but you look pretty cool and I just wanted to come say hi. I’m Scray
Her: ….hey Scray, I’m 6.5, nice to meet you. Do you go here?
Me: Nah, but I live like right across the street.
Her: Oh, that’s cool
Me: Ya, so that’s a pretty thick book. I’m not gonna lie, I was planning on starting a grift with you where y’know….you’d do everyone’s homework for them and we’d make money off of it.
Her: …..what? Wait….what would you be doing?
Me: Making money. I just told you.
Her: (she laughs)

Get her number, we set up a day 2. Easy, right? WRONG. This was last week just before shit really hit the fan. Behold, the effect of heartbreak on ‘game’ The day before the day 2 I didn’t hear from her. So the day of the day 2

Me: hey did you want to take a rain check on meeting? Haven’t heard from you
Her: I’m sorry
Her: How often are we supposed to talk?
Her: So are we canceling?
Me: No I’m not canceling. Just wondering
Her: How often do you expect to talk
Me: I don’t expect anything. Just curious. Relax
Her: I’m curious too
Her: how often
Me: Idk, if we hit it off every day I guess (……….wut)
Her: ok
Her: Just so I have an understanding
Me: Is 9 a good meetup time? (…….wut)
Me: (3 hours later) Hello? (……wut)
Me: (2 hours later) K gonna assume you can’t make it tonight (….cringe)
Her: (30 mins later) ?
Her: Ok that’s fine I’ll just see you some other day
Her: You freak out immediately if I don’t have my phone every 5 seconds
Me: when I have plans I confirm a few hours before (ya that’s good…just try to slap the puppy in the face….)
Her: well we don’t have plans anymore so you’re fine
Me: Ya. Just my etiquette (AWESUUUUM)
Her: that’s fine
Her: Sorry to waste your time
Her: I don’t text you enough anyway, so sorry.
Me: You free any other days
Her: No
Her: I’m not going to do this to you again
Her: I don’t think I’m good for you
Me: Don’t see what the deal is but K ttyl.
Her: You’re the one who made a big deal. You want ppl to text you a lot and respond right away.
Me: later (fuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark)

So anyway, that slipped through my fingers. She was cute, too. lol.
On to the sarge —

First set, hb 7 sitting by herself on her phone

Me: You playing tetris on there or something?
Her: Hahahaha, noooo…..just….doing nothing really
Me: Did all your friends leave you here by yourself….
Her: No, my husband is at the bar getting us drinks.
Me: Oh wow, you bitch
Her: hahahahaha!
Me: Just shit on my heart. Ha. Later

Next set, walking by these two chicks at the bar — a SOFT 5 and a 6.
5: Hey, that shirt’s pretty cool
Me: ….thanks.

Long story short, the 6 was having some sort of lame-ass bachelorette party or whatever. My wing rolled into the venue at around this time and tried to come over to help with this set…and he was running classic happy-fun-go material, but honestly, I’m not giving much value to a set that doesn’t do it for me. So I actually bounced — and they were talking to me about whatever bullshit was going on with them lol. It’s mental masturbation but 40% fuck-probability on the 6 and 80% on the 5. Srs.

3 — 5,6,6.5 — chicks sitting down as I’m walking out the venue.

Me: Any of you guys interested
All three: Nah, not really.
Me: Have a nice night (give one a high 5)

Next set, a 7 and a 5 sitting down…

Me: Hey, you guys look cool, do you want to talk?
7: Wait, what?
Me: Do you guys want to talk?
7:……aren’t we talking?
Me: ……all right, come on, cut the shit, you know what I mean (lol)
7: (raises eyebrows)……well we’re actually waiting on people.
Me: Okay….have a good night.

Next set — a 7.5 and her 5 friend sitting at the bar.

Me: (I nailed this delivery at least, good body language, good tone, etc) Hey, I just thought you looked lovely and had to come meet you. I’m Scray
7.5: Ohhh….you’re cute, too. Hi Scray, I’m 7.5…nice to meet you….but my boyfriend is right over there. This is my friend, 5.
Me: Hi, 5. Well you guys have a good night.

By chance I run into some friends — classic social circle shit. Two 6’s are there that I realize I could fuck if I pulled the trigger, and a 6.5 that my gut says I could fuck if I pulled the trigger but I’m too chicken shit (she’s also been with two of my friends, so it’d be a little weird).

I think while I deal with this heartbreak I’m just gonna go light direct. I know what I want now….like a girl who looks as good as the 7 but who’s a demon in bed like she-who-will-not-be-named. So I’m just in the mood to screen hard.

There are other girls, too. Like I met this one girl at a halloween party who’s a 7 but she has a bf…so I’m keeping light contact with that one. I mean, compared to last year……at least there are way more prospects, lol. Cause the lineup I have now….I’m just gonna have to change up completely.


  • YaReally
    on November 5, 2013 at 5:24 pm
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    I found a video of you txting that girl:

    Lol no comment on any of this cause you know it was a mess. This is part of why I recommend taking a little time off, your know the right actions to take but your headspace is just not going to be in the right place for a while…which is good, it means you’re still human. It’s okay to take a couple weeks off to just sort your head out. You might lose a little ground, but you’re not going to gain any at this rate anyway lol

    You’ll be back to form sooner or later, no worries.



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Scray
on November 1, 2013 at 11:50 am
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So had a decent time Halloween at a party, met a few people, and I saw some possible opportunities that never materialized (still kind of bummed). Anyway, after I decide to txt miscarry divorced mom — ya whatever, had a few beers.

That girl….well….jesus….:

Me: hey how’s it going
Her: I’m fine. I asked you not to contact me anymore. Not interested in your selfish ways. I’m left with a big medical bill along with a heartbreak I don’t have room for your crazy behavior.
Me: Let me help with the bill at least
Her: I just want to forget about all this and move on
Me: We can’t be friends?
Her: No. I’m going to change my number
Me: (thinking…..wttttttttttfffffffff….) Well we had to break up but it seems cruel to just X me out of your life. If you must you must but I thought we could be on good terms
Her: Oh i’m cruel — when i had a miscarriage you were a fucking asshole and even worse just talking about yourself. go to hell you’re the asshole here not me. i’m blocking your number you have the capability of causing me unwanted stress
Me: (in my mind I’m like waaaaaaaaat………) All I can do is ask for some understanding
Her: You fucked up, you only think about yourself, now i’ll think about myself. I thank God I didn’t have a kid with you because you would have continued to treat me the way you do. Just don’t mess with women like this. I was fine before all this. I’m getting my tubes tied in two weeks
Me: (……..mind is getting. blown) That hurts
Her: Just leave me alone. Well you hurt me too. Guess we’re both hurt. I just want you to suffer like I did. You’re so fucking selfish
Me: Well I hoped you could be kind
Her: You didn’t think twice about being kind to me so fuck off. You’re the most selfish person I’ve ever met and you want me to be kind, wtf is wrong with you. Go to hell my body suffered it. I’m still fucking bleeding from that shit. I’m not eating. You’ve done enough leave me alone. You have turned me off from ever wanting any more kids or a relationship. I’ve never encountered a person so selfish and needy. Leave me alone
Me: (….YIKES…)….ok. Hope to ttyl.

So that’s just done. Shit’s painful to leave someone so bad off. Guess it’s just a lesson learned.

But it gets worse unfortunately….

The 7 was distant last night. I was figuring, ‘man, that party was cool but I’m just not into it….boy that text conversation sucked….at least I can go over to 7′s house and smash’ Instead it’s like….

Her: I just don’t want to cuddle or anything tonight.
Me: Why
Her: Because I know what that leads to….and it’s starting to feel like you’re using me.
Me: What….
Her: You just come over here, I cook for you or we eat together, you watch my TV, and we have sex, and you leave, or you leave early in the morning.
Me: I fart sometimes.
Her: Ugh shutup, Scray. We don’t ever do anything else. I don’t know what you do when you’re not here.
Me: What do you want from me?
Her: Well……I care about you, and it just seems like it isn’t reciprocated….I give and give and give.

Annnnnnyways….I had to spend like an hour smoothing that shit over. Fuck, man. Winter is coming.


  • YaReally
    on November 1, 2013 at 12:07 pm
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    1) delete the miscarriage girl, Jesus. Make it so you can’t contact her. You are doing serious damage to her because of your scarcity mindset. Your communicating with her at ALL is fucking her up more and more. If you ever gave a shit about her, let her go so that one day she might be able to have a normal life again.

    2) the super dark triad will point out that you actually could fuck her again. But I’m not going to tell you how to do it because it would get your dick wet but it would fuck her up BAD. Like you could end up with a suicide on your conscience.

    3) the 7 is calling you out because she’s right, you ARE just using her. This is why a lot of Naturals have a long list of girls who hate them and regret banging them and feel like they used them, because the Natural tends to focus only on his needs and doesn’t follow the “leave them better than you found them” rule.

    You’re basically a bull in a china shop. You learned a super-power and you’re running around shooting lasers at everything burning the world around you to the ground.

    Congrats, you’ve learned HOW to game. You’ve learned the tools and the skillset.

    But now you have to learn how to use that shit for good, to put good energy into the world and benevolently help the people around you to lead better lives as a result of being around you.

    Cause the path you’ll go down, if you don’t pull out of this nosedive, is a REALLY dark fucked up one that will cost you a lot. I know guys who’ve gone down it and it ain’t pretty.

    You need to start giving value instead of just taking it. Start by giving your miscarriage chick the peace of you never contacting her again.

    Don’t make me regret helping you learn game.


    • Scray
      on November 1, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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      Ya but I didn’t even realize….it’s like now I feel so guilty. Like I figured it was something that’d blow over…’o ya we were only doing shit for a little while, I’m sure she’s over it because of how beta the drama was and she’s ready to be friends’

      Instead I get THAT

      Idk I guess I have inner issues I never knew about


      • Lara
        on November 1, 2013 at 12:34 pm
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        Send her a card and tell her you’re thinking of her. Put a little cash in it. Other than that, I’d stop contacting her. She sounds unstable.


        • YaReally
          on November 1, 2013 at 12:40 pm
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          Don’t even do this. Just vanish.


      • YaReally
        on November 1, 2013 at 12:34 pm
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        She went thru some hard emotional shit and you tried to get your dick wet instead of helping her with it. These girls are still people, they’re still human beings. That chick will go on to live for another 20-40 years with whatever you brought to the table (good influences or bad baggage), she’s not just a blip that disappears when you’re done with her.

        Like I say, you COULD still fuck her. So the guys saying “well she says she hates you but then txts 50 txts” are right, it’s possible…but man, you would do some serious damage and be putting some pretty brutal karma out into the world and the fact that you’re feeling guilty means that you aren’t prepared or emotionally dead enough to handle the damage you would do by not letting this one go forever.

        There are PUAs with 10+ abortions on their conscience. There are PUAs with suicides on their conscience. There are PUAs who’ve destroyed homes and helped innocent children end up in broken homes strife with fighting or divorce. There are PUAs who’ve been so mindfucked when they realize the extent of the damage they’ve done that they’ve tried offing themselves.

        On the flip side, there are PUAs who’ve helped their girls become better overall people and weed out shitty behavior. There are PUAs who’ve helped complete strangers come off the ledge of suicide just by striking up a conversation with them and making them feel like someone cares. There are PUAs who’ve saved other guys from getting their head stomped in by using their psych understanding to talk down a chaotic situation. There are PUAs who’ve helped other men grow into better stronger men who are able to take control of their lives. There are PUAs who have a long string of women in their past who have nothing but good to say about them and chase them years later.

        You can make amends with the 7, but right now you should take a few days to just chill and think about what effect you want to have on the world around you. What do you want to do with your new super powers? What do you want people to remember about you and the impact you had on their lives, at your funeral?

        Download the movie Alfie this weekend (the Jude Law one) and give it a watch. It’s a good movie that looks at both the good and bad sides of this lifestyle. The scene when he realizes there are consequences for his actions should be pretty relevant to you right now.

        I’m only coming down on you hard cause I want you to take what I’m saying seriously. Don’t blow your current situation off without learning a lesson and growing from it.


        • Scray
          on November 1, 2013 at 12:59 pm
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          Maybe I’m in denial that such a deep emotional hurt could be real. How can she not contact me if she’s so hurt? Idk I don’t understand. But maybe that’s just a way of easing my conscience. Never thought I’d have that effect on someone in a million years


          • YaReally
            on November 1, 2013 at 1:51 pm
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            Ya you’re in shock right now, that’s why I say to take a few days and just chill.

            A year ago you were insignificant. You didn’t have any real influence on others or the world around you.

            Now you’ve learned a skillset that gives you a lot of power. But like they say in Spider-Man: with great power comes great responsibility.

            You’re going to get more powerful the longer you do this…this is a skillset that won’t leave your life even if it gets dusty and cobwebbed if you stop actively training it for a while…the rewiring you’re doing will stay with you.

            That means that you’ve got another 20-40 years ahead of two. That’s like your entire life so far, lived out two more times. You’re not going to forget about this girl, especially once the shock wears off and you realize what an impact you’ve had on her and her future.

            You can’t erase this, but you CAN 1) stop making it worse by deleting her contact info and staying away from her forever, and 2) try not to create more memories like this by thinking deep on giving value VS taking it and what balance to strike…

            Cause you can fuck up a LOT of lives in 40 years. Or you can help a LOT of people. Use this as the wake-up call.


  • Anonymous
    on November 1, 2013 at 2:50 pm
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    What the fuck, man. I’ve read your field reports on Yareally’s archive and you used to be an unconfident newbie who didn’t have a fucking clue.
    The reason you get girls now is that you were supported and guided by others and I think they expect a hell of a lot more from you.
    Spread happiness and good vibes, don’t use girls like that. There are plenty girls out there who would LOVE to get fucked by you, go and get with them.


    • Scray
      on November 1, 2013 at 4:47 pm
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      Yeah, and I’m not totally tipping my hand here, either. Like….I kind of egged her on and abused the power I had — replaying the last month or two in my mind with her kinda depresses me because of how shitty of a person I found out I could be. Can’t actually repeat the whole, unedited version — too shameful.

      Tomorrow I’m gonna sarge, confirmed. So…..we’ll see how that goes. I mean, I’m starting to pick up a lot of interest in my social circle. Granted, the chicks are like 5-6 range (I mean, last year it was like…0….like maybe a 3-4, ycccccck), so…less hot than I can pull cold approach, which I’d say at this point is about 6-7.

      Question about social circle — is it better to bang 3 5′s, or is it better to wait and ‘break in’ to the social circle by tagging a 6+? Can you only fuck ‘down’ in a social circle….? This dynamic is emergent and new.


      • YaReally
        on November 1, 2013 at 5:42 pm
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        Keep the rest of the details for yourself, you’ve laid enough out there already.

        This is the pendulum swing of learning…first you’re too Nice Guy, then you swing into full Asshole, then you come back and settle somewhere in-between the two. Most guys learning game go through it.

        Getting a glimpse at how shitty you can be is pretty scary. A big part of why I’m such an advocate of using game for good and leaving girls (and guys) better than I found them etc is that I KNOW I could be an absolute nightmare if I decided to be selfish and just use everyone around me to get what I want. With the skillset and knowledge I have, I would be just unstoppable destruction.

        And that’s fucking scary to know, because like the Joker says, we’re all just one bad day away from crazy. So I actively try to stay positive and not let life get me down. A lot of people think I have no problems because I’m always in a good mood and brush setbacks off, but the reality is that I actively pursue that state because I don’t want to risk hitting a tipping point where I decide “fuck everyone!” and throw all my morals out the window. I already skirt that line in some areas, like banging taken chicks. The consequences if I stopped giving a shit about leaving them better than I found them would end up haunting me down the road.

        Look at this experience this way: you now know yourself better than most people will ever know themselves. You’ve seen yourself at your worst as well as your best (and you’ll be even better as you grow).

        Like a lot of why feminists and anti-gamers reject the red pill and game is that they don’t want to look at anything that makes them feel bad or is uncomfortable. They only want good feelings. So they won’t listen when we talk about Hypergamy because that would require admitting that women sometimes do bad things. So they will remain ignorant about reality because they refuse to look at the good AND bad.

        That’s why I say you could bang that miscarriage girl. I’m not on some ethical high horse moralizing here. I fully acknowledge the good and bad realities of the situation. But at the same time I can also say that it would have consequences that would haunt you cause overall you’re a good guy who just went a little power-mad.

        Down the road this will have been a good thing for you, in helping you focus yourself toward doing good…so don’t waste it!

        “is it better to bang 3 5′s, or is it better to wait and ‘break in’ to the social circle by tagging a 6+?”

        Go for the top shelf. No one respects the guy who bangs the bottom of the social circle. You bang a bunch of 5s and the 6+’s will think “this guy doesn’t deserve me. The kind of guy I want to bang is high-value enough to be banging the 9s in this circle”. Hypergamy in action, basically.

        If you’re already banging the 6+’s, you can dabble in a 5 and blame “we were drunk lol” because you’ve already established value cred with the group, but if you bang a few more of the 5s after that, your value goes down.

        Think of it like business. If you ran an entrepreneur group and one guy opted to never expand his business or make it efficient or make much money, you’d start thinking “man, this guy doesn’t expect much from himself and doesn’t respect himself” and you would have a hard time seeing him as high value.

        You can bang random 5s, esp without the social circle knowing, like just to get your rocks off, but once you introduce group dynamics and reputation etc shit changes a bit.

        The other prob with banging 5s in general is just devaluing yourself and ending up stuck banging 5-7s because you don’t have any reference experiences of deserving the 8+ girls. I believe we call this “intermediate purgatory” lol most guys get stuck on it cause they start banging from the bottom up.



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Scray
on November 1, 2013 at 11:50 am
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So had a decent time Halloween at a party, met a few people, and I saw some possible opportunities that never materialized (still kind of bummed). Anyway, after I decide to txt miscarry divorced mom — ya whatever, had a few beers.

That girl….well….jesus….:

Me: hey how’s it going
Her: I’m fine. I asked you not to contact me anymore. Not interested in your selfish ways. I’m left with a big medical bill along with a heartbreak I don’t have room for your crazy behavior.
Me: Let me help with the bill at least
Her: I just want to forget about all this and move on
Me: We can’t be friends?
Her: No. I’m going to change my number
Me: (thinking…..wttttttttttfffffffff….) Well we had to break up but it seems cruel to just X me out of your life. If you must you must but I thought we could be on good terms
Her: Oh i’m cruel — when i had a miscarriage you were a fucking asshole and even worse just talking about yourself. go to hell you’re the asshole here not me. i’m blocking your number you have the capability of causing me unwanted stress
Me: (in my mind I’m like waaaaaaaaat………) All I can do is ask for some understanding
Her: You fucked up, you only think about yourself, now i’ll think about myself. I thank God I didn’t have a kid with you because you would have continued to treat me the way you do. Just don’t mess with women like this. I was fine before all this. I’m getting my tubes tied in two weeks
Me: (……..mind is getting. blown) That hurts
Her: Just leave me alone. Well you hurt me too. Guess we’re both hurt. I just want you to suffer like I did. You’re so fucking selfish
Me: Well I hoped you could be kind
Her: You didn’t think twice about being kind to me so fuck off. You’re the most selfish person I’ve ever met and you want me to be kind, wtf is wrong with you. Go to hell my body suffered it. I’m still fucking bleeding from that shit. I’m not eating. You’ve done enough leave me alone. You have turned me off from ever wanting any more kids or a relationship. I’ve never encountered a person so selfish and needy. Leave me alone
Me: (….YIKES…)….ok. Hope to ttyl.

So that’s just done. Shit’s painful to leave someone so bad off. Guess it’s just a lesson learned.

But it gets worse unfortunately….

The 7 was distant last night. I was figuring, ‘man, that party was cool but I’m just not into it….boy that text conversation sucked….at least I can go over to 7’s house and smash’ Instead it’s like….

Her: I just don’t want to cuddle or anything tonight.
Me: Why
Her: Because I know what that leads to….and it’s starting to feel like you’re using me.
Me: What….
Her: You just come over here, I cook for you or we eat together, you watch my TV, and we have sex, and you leave, or you leave early in the morning.
Me: I fart sometimes.
Her: Ugh shutup, Scray. We don’t ever do anything else. I don’t know what you do when you’re not here.
Me: What do you want from me?
Her: Well……I care about you, and it just seems like it isn’t reciprocated….I give and give and give.

Annnnnnyways….I had to spend like an hour smoothing that shit over. Fuck, man. Winter is coming.


  • YaReally
    on November 1, 2013 at 12:07 pm
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    1) delete the miscarriage girl, Jesus. Make it so you can’t contact her. You are doing serious damage to her because of your scarcity mindset. Your communicating with her at ALL is fucking her up more and more. If you ever gave a shit about her, let her go so that one day she might be able to have a normal life again.

    2) the super dark triad will point out that you actually could fuck her again. But I’m not going to tell you how to do it because it would get your dick wet but it would fuck her up BAD. Like you could end up with a suicide on your conscience.

    3) the 7 is calling you out because she’s right, you ARE just using her. This is why a lot of Naturals have a long list of girls who hate them and regret banging them and feel like they used them, because the Natural tends to focus only on his needs and doesn’t follow the “leave them better than you found them” rule.

    You’re basically a bull in a china shop. You learned a super-power and you’re running around shooting lasers at everything burning the world around you to the ground.

    Congrats, you’ve learned HOW to game. You’ve learned the tools and the skillset.

    But now you have to learn how to use that shit for good, to put good energy into the world and benevolently help the people around you to lead better lives as a result of being around you.

    Cause the path you’ll go down, if you don’t pull out of this nosedive, is a REALLY dark fucked up one that will cost you a lot. I know guys who’ve gone down it and it ain’t pretty.

    You need to start giving value instead of just taking it. Start by giving your miscarriage chick the peace of you never contacting her again.

    Don’t make me regret helping you learn game.


    • Scray
      on November 1, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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      Ya but I didn’t even realize….it’s like now I feel so guilty. Like I figured it was something that’d blow over…’o ya we were only doing shit for a little while, I’m sure she’s over it because of how beta the drama was and she’s ready to be friends’

      Instead I get THAT

      Idk I guess I have inner issues I never knew about