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Girlfriend Talks Too Much About Her Exes

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Uradyke15
on March 29, 2012 at 5:49 pm
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I agree with the above sentiments. Dude, ditch her. Ditch her hard. Some women feel they have the right to do anything they fucking want, and you need to take a nice sharp knife to this cancer growing on your manhood and life.

If you think it will be painful to tell her to take a hike, you’re in for a world of pain when she leaves you. Leave her first, because even if you really want her, and want her to somehow treat you better and stick with you….then you gotta make it clear it violates you standards, and then bail.

From there, she’ll either plead for your forgiveness, or let you go. Either way you stand in a better position…and I wouldnt be so trusting or accepting of her apologies in the first place. A girl who does this sort of thing has a pathology that IMO can only lead to heartache for ya man.

I speak from experience, for what its worth. Spare yourself the pain, or prepare yourself for an upward battle to get your self worth back.


  • Ripp
    on March 30, 2012 at 4:53 am
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    Agreed.



Ripp
on March 30, 2012 at 4:48 am
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CH speaks wisdom here.

Better to face reality sooner than later: it’s time to plan an exit strategy.

You’re on the verge of emotional pain and loss. You’re a beta and you’ve crossed the threshold of her beta tolerance and hypergamy is now driving her. It’s only a matter of short time before the relationship ends- with her invoking the wedge issue to end it and her cheating on you. This process has already started. She’s put her vaginal slutty scent in the air for another man to pound it when she’s ready.

Whatever you do, even it’s nothing, she we will rationalize her actions out of the relationship.

Execute none, one, two or all three of CHs suggested tactics. This won’t save your relationship but will help you get over this faster.

*Most important*
-Cease all financial obligations to her immediately
-Begin prospecting new women
-Begin and/or increase exercising
-Eat better/healthier
-Shift any or all practical burdens to her, especially for her bastard kid(s)
-freeze her out emotionally and never giver her an explanation for anything (this is your best weapon, she will go insane yammering with her friends and mom about your behavior)

Face reality my friend. She has no respect for you and it’s not going to change.

good luck.

[heartiste: not giving an explanation for anything you do is really good advice. i've done this unintentionally, when i just wasn't in the mood to explain myself to my girl, and it has never failed to drive them bonkers. and a chick going bonkers is a chick close to the edge of a full-blown case of the tingles.]



Ripp
on March 30, 2012 at 5:25 am
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Regardless of the ages and other relationship uncertainties this is a good topic to address for beta men that need to accept the RED PILL and start studying GAME. As it’s been discussed here at CH, game also greatly helps with LTR management.

This post is an excellent example of the manifestations of female hypergamy at the onset of an LTR breakup. There is a tipping point where the relationship (in the emotional pair bonding sense) has ended yet the practical and social elements drag it out.
The beta men are too weak and/or deluded to accept the reality and the woman is “unhappy” but can’t explain it. She will rationalize however it best suits her selfish need to limit social and emotional backlash and will have no guilt or remorse about clipping the man loose for him to bleed in his emotional pain; while she pursues her next cock adventure…or “romance” (to use vagina vernacular) immediately after (or during) the final days of breakup.

For the beta man this is the ugly and even steeper decline into the cycle of scarcity. Having no game, thus no options, he clings to the ONE semi-avg pussy he can get, invests every white knighted gesture into the relationship only to be gutted and left empty once her tolerance for betaness has been exceeded.

When your GF is txting her ex or exes frequently she is pissing on your head. And if you haven’t properly set the gender roles in the relationship from the start its inevitable that a smoking gun indicator like this will manifest and signal the beginning of the end.

I was the beta man once, got burned…and learned. Now I’m the guy that is being txted by the beta’s GF. Which experience gives you more insight? (rhetorical)



coconuts
on March 30, 2012 at 10:12 pm
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Some of us are actually still good friends with our exes. Have you even considered this? Men and women (yes even past lovers) can be just friends.

I still talk about/text my exes. I am not cheating. It is not a shit test. These are men who have affected me as a person and have taught me many things. I am no longer attracted to them sexually, but they are still my friends.

[heartiste: beta orbiters.]

I love my current boyfriend very much and he understands this. That’s why I’m with him and none of my exes. If he ever got jealous enough to call me a “whore” or flirt with someone because I talked to an ex, I would think of him as a simple-minded child.

[having extensive contact with numerous exes is disrespectful to your current bf. if he puts up with it, he is beta.]


  • Ripp
    on April 4, 2012 at 10:14 pm
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    “I am no longer attracted to them sexually, but they are still my friends.”
    LOL. Beta, 100%.

    “or flirt with someone because I talked to an ex, I would think of him as a simple-minded child”
    That’s what you say you “would think of him”. Actually you’d find a new wave of attraction for him, especially if the woman he was flirting with was of equal or greater SMV than you. And let’s qualify flirting as positive exchange of interest/attraction signals.

    *but*

    1) as CH said, your BF is beta and your exes are beta orbiters. You keep them around for ego stroking emotional support. That’s what you call “friendship”.

    2) My intuition suggests you are at very youngest 27 and/or of average SMV.

    Look at it this way: If your BF was alpha it’s not that he wouldn’t let you talk to your exes…it’s more so that you wouldn’t *need* to talk to your exes, or much want to. You’d be so enamored and consumed with keeping his attention for fear of losing him to a better looking girl.



Using Women For Ego Boosts

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Transmillenium
on March 21, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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Last month I restarted my game and I’m going for the 100 approaches challenge that Roosh mentioned before going on his hiatus.

Currently I’m on the 48 girl, I”ve met a lot of girls, almost all of them flaking on me (It’s Colombia) except like 3 or 4 with whom I’m currently texting until they have the time to meet me, but I know that doesn’t guarantee nothing so I’m only talking to them to see what happens.

In lots of my approaches I ask for the number, but later on I prefer not to call, maybe as an excuse to get rejected by her. It’s better to reject than to be rejected, riiight?

[heartiste: if you have game and motivation, then your number collection will grow and overlap. it's inevitable. in that case, what are you gonna do? most men don't have the time or energy to juggle fifteen dates concurrently, so they filter out those numbers of girls who aren't that attractive, or who didn't give adequately strong interest signals, and instead focus on the girls who really lit a fire in their phalluses.]


  • Ripp
    on March 22, 2012 at 1:05 pm
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    “Colombian girls are flakes”

    All westernized women are flakes. Accept it, embrace it and build a qualification system and strategy to counter it.

    I’ve said this before: There is a ‘work’ component to game, no way around it. No man consistently bangs 10s from cold approach, same night lay, every one he approaches.

    Game is a process- and for each execution you push the process as far as you want, as far as you can- in many cases they end in a #close because of logistics.

    Until your next meet (if it happens) you’re in a ‘time bridge’. That’s where TXT game and voice communication can build more compliance->interest->attraction->comfort and from there you can qualify a flake or not.

    At the onset of a cold approach if you #close a target that you’re not attracted to, it’s no big deal. It’s great practice, it keeps you sharp and get’s you ready for the women you are attracted to:

    c) you were a confidence-building stepping stone to test out his game for use on hotter chicks.



Charles Murray’s One-Sided Shaming

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Jeff Y.
on March 19, 2012 at 5:33 pm
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Check out this analysis of the same article, and my rather acidic comments.


  • Ripp
    on March 19, 2012 at 10:08 pm
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    Jeff Y: read your comments in the other blog.

    *fist bump*

    It’s always amusing to hit beta-tards, women and deluded individuals with limited critical thinking capacity with facts and watch them flounder with nothing in response but emotion and “nuh uh…it’s not like that…nuh uh”.

    Beyond the scientific evidence of female hypergamy, any man that’s banging hot women consistently knows it exists merely because it’s what provides us the opportunity to do so.

    When intelligent men refute it’s existence it’s really a defense mechanism; a rationalization. For others it’s above their capacity to understand- and what is not understood is feared and rejected in lieu of a more simple deluded answer.

    Female hypergamy is a sound argument that helps explain the reasons of the growing lower class.

    Sorry Murray, shaming Enrique for trimming the hedges and blowing the leaves around isn’t a solution. He won’t be able hear you anyway with the ear muffs…heh.

    A much better tactic would be to shame his hot little 17yr old latina sister that’s ditching class to get stoned and gargle Julio the drug dealer’s balls.

    Hypergamy! Sweet! bang bang bang bang your hot 19yr daughter bang bang bang her room mate bang bang bang give her skittles bang bang bang…



Charles Murray’s One-Sided Shaming

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Annonymouse
on March 19, 2012 at 7:12 pm
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Why the either/or shaming?

Working age and fully functional men who don’t work are living off my tax dollars. That’s not acceptable, no matter what women are doing, even if you ignore all the very true arguments about how leeching off of me actually hurts the leeches as well as the taxpayers.

(Of course, the solution I’d advocate isn’t shaming but cutting welfare such that a 30 year old man who didn’t work would starve and thus it would not be a rational decision for him not to work.)

But that doesn’t mean there’s not plenty of shaming to go around for women who have bastard children. I haven’t read the full Murray yet but doesn’t he advocate as much (even if he doesn’t go for shaming fat women)? And obviously shaming is the only tool you have here, at least with many single moms who are not on welfare and don’t need the government check.

The other solution to female hypergamy is putting alphas on the hook financially. They’d still fuck a lot of women but at least they’d be careful about getting them pregnant and thus making them unmarriable.

The converse of this, which I’d also support, is not making betas who want to live together have any financial commitment to a woman who walks out on him. Money is probably a more effective tool than shaming because a single law makes it happen whereas shaming takes a big cultural transformation that would take decades. If you want the betas money, you’ve got to live with him and fuck him a few times a month — and no one else — or you get nothing.


  • Ripp
    on March 19, 2012 at 10:17 pm
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    “The other solution to female hypergamy is putting alphas on the hook financially. They’d still fuck a lot of women but at least they’d be careful about getting them pregnant and thus making them unmarriable.”

    Eh…won’t work. 1) the pill. 2) condoms. 3) I always pull out and cum on her face.

    Blowing your load in a chic these days is so god damn risky. Besides there are plenty of articles even here at CH that show men are liable. One example is a slut that took cum in her mouth, spit it out, put it up her vagina, got pregnant than later sued the man (not married, or GF), and WON child support.

    Shit…I better make sure she swallows…



Ripp
on March 19, 2012 at 9:26 pm
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“To confront female hypergamy would be to confront the very foundational rationale for the sexual revolution and the fifty year program to equalize social and economic outcomes between men and women.”

If a MSM outlet did this it’d be career suicide and a commercial nightmare for their employer. Clearly an indicator that the [female hypergamy] cancer has spread deep into the DNA of Western Civilization.

Ironically the female psyche in it’s emotionally driven, empathetic, fact averse, logically impaired yet communicatively adaptive modus operandi couldn’t be a better microcosm for the way society behaves.



The Reality Of Male Choice

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Anon
on March 19, 2012 at 1:45 pm
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When people refer to choice, they are referring to the average male vs. average female. The average female exercises much more choice than the average male. The average female sitting in a bar by herself gets hit on by everyone, from losers to alphas. The average male in a bar gets hit on by no one, or at best, a fatty.

Don’t forget all the married couples where you see an average male with a below average fatty.

I would hazard to say that a guy with tight game raises his level of choice to that of an average chick, which is still far beyond that of an average guy.

The average guy has a much harder time raising his choice than the average girl. The average guy has to develop tight game or earn a lot of status or money, but any guy who can achieve those things is, by definition, not average at all. The average girl just needs to show some skin, wear a push-up bra, and act friendly to raise her choice level.

[heartiste: you mean, to raise her choice level in men who are already willing to fuck her for at least a one night stand. showing skin does not improve a woman's chances to snag a higher quality man for commitment. in fact, it does just the opposite.]


  • Anon
    on March 19, 2012 at 2:35 pm
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    Yes, males and females have antagonistic strategies for relationship choice with “high quality” mates.

    A male who wishes to induce a high quality mate into a relationship must fuck her quickly. A female who wishes to induce a high quality mate into a relationship must get him to commit resources/time, i.e., not fuck him quickly. This is the time-honored push-pull strategy that women employ. The average chick can show some skin to attract a high quality male with the lure of sex, but then can inject flaking or last minute resistance that drives high quality men, who are used to getting their way, wild.

    It is much easier for an average female to push-pull a high quality man than for an average male to fuck a high quality woman.

    That’s why so many high status (rich) men are married to average looking women, who happen to be intelligent and capable of playing them, while high status women (hot) are rarely married to average men.

    It also depends on what you mean by “high quality”. Because the Bill Gates, Rupert Murdochs, and Bill Clintons of the world get Melissa Gates, Wendi Deng, Hilary & Monica Lewinsky, but the Kevin Federlines and Bring Da Tapes of the world get Britney & ripe pubescent girls.


    • Ripp
      on March 19, 2012 at 8:02 pm
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      “…but then can inject flaking or last minute resistance that drives high quality men, who are used to getting their way, wild.”

      Flaking is a shit test, which can be countered against. LMR usually occurs from lack of sexual comfort established, which can also be countered.

      High quality men aren’t driven “wild” when these things happen. We’ll either overcome them and get sex, or work on something else hotter/younger/tighter until she swings back in line…



Rollo Tomassi
on March 19, 2012 at 1:56 pm
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It’s an interesting commentary on fem-centric socialization that women should need to keep up the narrative that women enjoy absolute choice in the SMP.

The longer they can perpetuate men believing this, the more freedom women have to exercise their hypergamy before cashing out with a long-term provider. This is precisely the reason men who become Game-aware after marriage, children or LTR commitment are so frustrated. The jig is up and they realize that their sexual market value is leagues apart from the woman he committed to as his affluence and influence increase as he matures.

He can exercise more choice in the SMP with maturity while her choice declines post-Wall. This is why it is imperative men be socially encouraged to believe the lie of women’s absolute sexual selection. Without it, substandard women will have less capacity to consolidate their hypergamy with the best and the brightest.

https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/the-threat/

Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value to women.


  • Ripp
    on March 19, 2012 at 8:25 pm
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    Agreed, excellent post Rollo.

    Another thought I had re the female hypergamy rationalization is the fact that it pushes women to start child bearing *after* their peak fertility years- if at all. And instead they’ll invest this time (and the bulk of their earnings) into becoming an efficient alpha cock-carouselling vagina on wheels.

    While the MSM rationalizes this behavior as “careerist women empowering themselves” it’s really an emotional delusion to justify the fact their investing their paychecks into shoes/clothes/crap to compete with other women for attention, validation and alpha cock.

    I’d rather have the hot 22yr old in the cheap 6inch…then her future 32yr old self that can afford $5,000 heels.

    We’re in for an exponential incline of cum guzzling cougars with large bank accounts, fragile egos and lots of foofy cats and dogs.

    Monday night pick up will just get easier…



The Reality Of Male Choice

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Doc
on March 19, 2012 at 6:35 pm
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When I was younger, most of the women I hooked up with were much older than I was – mostly because they didn’t play games, and we both wanted the same thing – sex. I had no resources to speak of, other than being horny morning, noon, and night and if they looked attractive to me, I was more than willing to have sex with them whenever their husband or kids were out of the house. The key to that is they had to be attractive to me – if they could get me horny, I was more than willing.

As I got older and gathered resources, ability, and moved up the social ladder, the age of the women I would have sex with dropped – when in grad-school, I may have sex with a woman older one night, and younger the next. Now that I’m pushing 50, none of the women are older (haven’t been for about 15 years), and that “sweet spot” is 18-25. Of course, I have gotten more discriminating with age not only in their looks, but also in how they carry themselves, and how they speak. I have kicked more than a few to the curb because they couldn’t keep from dropping the “f-bomb” in polite conversation. So these days not only is it their appearance, but their demeanor and intelligence. When I was younger my primary prerequisite was I had to find them attractive and they had to be willing to spread their legs. These days, I like to know that I’m not the 100th to bang that snatch.

So, while overall at various points in my life I was less discriminating then I am now, the two areas I have never changed in, is she MUST be attractive to me, and she MUST be worth my time. As a result, I doubt I’ve ever had sex with a woman over 140 lbs., although some of the taller ones may have been close to that. And, when I was younger more than a few of the women I had sex with ended up pregnant – which is probably why they were so eager – of course their husbands all thought it was theirs. I learned then the women just have better PR than men, but when it comes to between the sheets, we have nothing on them. Of course, these days I tend to like the younger ones since they aren’t eager to squeeze one out, and I find them more attractive.

I know that at some point, fairly soon my days of having sex with 18 year olds will come to an end. But to be honest I have yet to see a slow-down. It seems there is no end to young women who want an older man’s approval, and if that means she has to have sex with him to get it, she’s more than willing. So who am I to deny her?


  • Ripp
    on March 19, 2012 at 8:43 pm
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    What’s up Doc.

    *fist bump*

    I’m younger but I have the same notions with selectivity as you describe.

    I want to say it was BradP, (i could be wrong) he talked about this general idea that when men achieve around 50 to 75 sexual partners there is a certain echelon of attitude you exhibit, and selectivity beyond physical attractiveness is one of the characteristics.

    Even if she’s a hot piece of ass and you *know* you can nail her, you still reject her because she’s annoying/disrespectful/not fun/boring/stupid/whatever.

    Young women love older men. It’s great to be a man and know I’ve got 25+ years left of bang bang bang bang bang…



Linkage Disequilibrium

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Dextrology
on March 16, 2012 at 5:04 pm
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OT: I recently read Dale Carngie’s book How To Win Friends and Influence People. Pretty everything he said in his book on how to make friends seems to contradict everything on this site on how seduce women. Is making friends and seducing women totally different things? There’s no techniques involved in one social behavior that’s involved in the other?

{heartiste: making friends with men, and to a lesser extent – women, is different than seducing women. but your premise is arguable, regardless. plenty of game concepts — such as how to eleicit values and build comfort — are ripped straight from carnegie’s oeuvre.]


  • P Ray
    on March 16, 2012 at 10:08 pm
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    My short answer would be that many women do not have sex with their (male?) friends unless they can no longer attract the men they really want.
    Which is why female friends for the most part are pointless, as most are clearly aware that the transactional nature of friend relationships require them to both introduce single men to single women (if they want to continue receiving favours).
    Since women have a problem returning favours or being friends with regular men,
    there is not much of a point to regular men having female friends.
    If she didn’t care about you when you were friends with her,
    not being friends with her won’t be that much of a difference.
    (Since women reserve their public hate for men they have _lost control over_, and NOT _men they have no interest in_.)


    • Theophilus
      on March 17, 2012 at 6:53 am
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      There are several points to having female friends. Here are some off the top of my head:
      - They provide excellent preselection. Being seen with one or more hot chicks can be turned into a fine source of social capital.
      - Their friends can be a central part of your hunting grounds.
      - Hanging out with hot chicks as friends will help you get used to dealing with them. Develop a habit of teasing your female friends as if they were six years old – it’s a crucial game skill that will soon come easily to you.
      - You can practice and refine game concepts on them with no risk. You’ve already been rejected and have nothing to lose.
      - A hot chick who is a friend today may well be a lay tomorrow as you keep developing your game. I scored a reigning beauty queen that way a decade ago, even though I was a fumbling beta at the time. Proximity provides opportunity.
      - Female friends can be good company. Just don’t take their advice about chicks.


      • Ripp
        on March 17, 2012 at 4:25 pm
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        ehh…..I understand where you’re coming from, -arguing reasons to have female “friends”, and agree with your points re preselection, game practice…*but*

        …let’s define qualities of a true “friend”:
        -loyalty
        -respect for you (your time, desires, well being)
        -enjoys who you are/hanging out
        -money/material never an issue

        Women don’t posess these qualities even amongst their own “friends”. They’re driven by their need to “feel good” about themselves and will gravitate towards alpha men, material crap, gossip, cats, and a pilethra of unimportant shit at the expense of any of their “friends”. Even you.

        With that being said I do keep a huge net of female orbiters that I call “friends” for the reasons you state above but I’d never rely on them for anything important, other than expect them to be…women.

        “I would’t trust my dog to guard my steak, but I can trust a dog to be a dog.”



Theophilus
on March 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm
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That Mises article is one of the best one I have seen on the Japanese economy. Great find.


  • Ripp
    on March 17, 2012 at 4:28 pm
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    Agreed. And great insight into measuring economic performance in general for any state.



How To Make A Girl Catatonic

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Phinn
on March 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm
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>>> “Evolutionarily speaking, I can’t think of a clear reason why it’s advantageous to men to become tongue-tied around pretty girls”

It’s not the woman who is the source of the approach anxiety. It’s the possibility of a nearby (superior) man who might attack.

The beta who openly hits on a woman who is already being serviced by an alpha is risking death or serious bodily injury.

Evolutionarily speaking.


  • Ripp
    on March 14, 2012 at 4:45 pm
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    I’ve watched some videos from Mystery and he says exactly that. Plausible.



(r)Evoluzione
on March 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm
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Inner game trumps all. Perception is reality. Confidence is king, and foundational to a life well-lived.

I’ve found the eye-lock exercise on my own. I found myself wanting to utter a gaze-softening “Hi” when I walk by a cute girl. After a few times of it failing, I’ve abandoned it in favor of a smirk. Practice, practice, practice.


  • Ripp
    on March 14, 2012 at 4:47 pm
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    100%. Inner game. Confidence. From there it flows…



Ripp
on March 14, 2012 at 5:27 pm
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Too many beta-tard comments on here about eye contact shit. Like it really all comes down to your eyes and how long you stare and how you stare and if you blink twice you get a blowjob and blah blah blah….ya ya ya…

EC is one of a whole shit ton of non-verbal cues between you and your target. So if you stare too long or not long enough or whatever…doesnt fucking matter if you never approach…

What CH and YaReally are saying is that on the onset of an approach, Alpha EC will reverse the frame and invoke an “AA like” anxious pang in your target; which is true.

AA exists in all men. Period. How/why it exists? Eh, who gives a shit.

How do you get through it? Will power. *self forced conditioning*. Execute. Do it.

The more you go through it, the more conditioned you become to it, and the logical side of your brain learns how to “manage” it (suppress outer non-verbal cues, invoke supportive inner thoughts).

It’s a skill. It can be learned (as is all GAME). If you’re still making excuses like you have some special acute sand-in-your-vagina condition and you can’t approach…straight up, you’re a pussy and you’re weak. Do man kind a favor and don’t pro create and pass on your bitch DNA.

Approach Anxiety = Action Weakness


  • YaReally
    on March 15, 2012 at 7:23 pm
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    lol my fav way of putting it is from one of Tyler’s speeches. He says something like “I’m exactly like you. I get the same anxiety and I don’t feel like socializing after working all day and I start the night feeling out of state and my brain tries to convince me not to approach. But by going out consistently, I’ve trained myself to follow a set of steps to force myself OUT of that mode and into a good state.”

    He means stuff like talk to the first girl you see (ugly or hot doesn’t matter) when you enter the bar before getting a drink or anything. Talk to people on the way to the bar. Approach within 3 seconds. Etc etc.


    • Ripp
      on March 18, 2012 at 1:07 pm
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      I saw saw TD speak recently (couple months ago). The guy is fucking brilliant, exciting to listen to and he speaks genuine knowledge from experience- his story is awesome. He started out as a total beta with the classic beta story: ex GF of several years that he loved dumped him and he went into beta-depression.

      Now he’s part of the 1% and bangs 10s with a big orange mountain man beard. Stud.

      He did give the same speech you mention. So important to hear. Important to recognize how you operate internally and what you can do to get yourself out of bitch-mode. Develop a personal strategy- and execute it CONSISTENTLY.



Is Finger Length Ratio Evidence Of A Woman’s Fidelity?

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Anonymous
on March 9, 2012 at 7:08 pm
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Need some advice

Hit it off with a super cute chick yesterday daytime, at the restaurant she worked at. Exchanged numbers, and decided to text later that evening. She ended up texting ME, around 7. We exchanged a few texts. So today about midday I went to set up the date thru text. The exchange was the course of over three hours heres how it went.

Me: Cool thats rare. do you want to hang out sometime soon.

Girl: Yeah Sure. Are u coming toward *nearby city i met her at* sometimes


  • 357
    on March 10, 2012 at 9:12 am
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    You should’ve waited a few days to call her. You don’t want to seem desperate. If you don’t have a lot mate choice, you want to give the impression you do.

    Tell her next time you set up a date(phone call > text):

    If you have plans, break them. Meet me at x at X:XX.

    In my experience, the above line, when delivered quasi brutish, initiates the lubrication function in the female love organ.


    • Ripp
      on March 12, 2012 at 3:26 am
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      For the most part, agreed. The waiting time can be shorter if she’s in high compliance (responds quickly, often). Not a huge deal.

      Phone better than txt to close meet. agreed. however if you’re not good on the phone (voice tonality) you can blow it. Also many younger women just don’t talk on the phone. txt only. ~35% of communication frame is voice tone. so if you’re nervous/being a pussy you’ll blow it.

      the best advice here is to NOT send a beta txt like you did: “do you want to hang out sometime soon?”

      she responded, which is good. but 357 is correct.

      Be TELL ASSERTIVE when closing for a meet:

      “meet me at x later”

      I always break up the [time,day,place,activity] into different txts and phone calls to test for compliance and flakiness.

      good luck.


      • Mast Vajority
        on March 12, 2012 at 12:21 pm
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        thanks. The post you read of mine above was cut short on accident, and i posted the whole thing if you scroll down a bit, where others have responded as well. I feel you on the asking text… “do you wanna hang out”. I just follow Roosh’s texting guide, and it has been giving me success, so i dunno. He says something about forcing them to invest early on and also that by getting down to brass tacks, we avoid the tedious drawn out texting that could take forever to get a date. where i did fuck up, if you look at the whole exchange below, was when i didnt keep it short sweet, and logistical.


        • Ripp
          on March 12, 2012 at 1:54 pm
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          “Roosh’s texting guide”

          I have great respect for Roosh although admittedly I haven’t studied his material in depth. All in all, these are “guides”. I learned from this one:

          http://www.datingskillsreview.com/texting-girls-ultimate-guide-to-texting-girls-the-attractive-man-artisan/

          These guides are excellent ways to get you started in building up your rotation of dating. I literally started the same way you did- by simply using a guide and using the txts verbatim.

          What you want to strive for is understanding the “frames” behind the texts and what the sub communication is- and you’ll learn how to respond correctly to keep her in check, qualifying her interest and know whether she is ready to be closed for a date or is just flirting behind her BFs/guy she is fucking’s back. The hotter she is the higher the likelihood she is getting dick from someone steady and keeping her options in the background (that’s you my friend :) . Sad truth. Accept it, embrace it and pound that pussy.

          I’ll leave you with 2 points of suggestion:
          1) if you have iPhone/Android/Smartphone DL an APP that saves all of your SMS messages. I have SMS Backup+ (its free) for android and it saves all of my threads automatically to my gmail. An excellent tool to review and study. I now have ~100+ threads after 6 months and it’s helped to understand the “trends” (timing,teasing,date closing,flake qualifying,bullshit,etc) that women respond to. In turn you can develop your own material to be 100% congruent with who you are…the ultimate goal. I do have to say, it’s god damn fucking sad what women respond to. Chivalry. Is. Dead. heh…

          2) Rethink this in your head every time you txt: “she is in my orbit and she’ll be lucky if she gets to meet me or see me again.” No matter who/what she is. This is about you, not about her.

          Stack em pack em and rack em…

          ripp



Anonymous
on March 10, 2012 at 2:15 am
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Slightly off-topic, but…

Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) declares Manosphere to be “Hate”…

“The so-called “manosphere” is peopled with hundreds of websites, blogs and forums dedicated to savaging feminists in particular and women, very typically American women, in general. Although some of the sites make an attempt at civility and try to back their arguments with facts, they are almost all thick with misogynistic attacks that can be astounding for the guttural hatred they express.”
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites

Guess it’s now “Racist” to have a Y-chromosome and not want to be divorce-raped by a spouse.


  • Ripp
    on March 12, 2012 at 3:53 am
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    “Although some of the sites make an attempt at civility and try to back their arguments with facts…”

    Clearly written by an angry, ugly woman.

    And, no. The arguments ARE backed with facts. And civility is maintained for those who can post valid, logical argument again supported by fact. But when they don’t…

    …it sure is fun as hell to rip into the endless retarded vaginal discharge of uncontrolled emotional ramblings that contradict peer reviewed scientific evidence merely for my own light amusement.

    When one of these femicunt blogs can refute a claim using a sound counter argument referencing an accessible scientific white paper I’d read it.

    Can anyone share a link?



expat finn
on March 10, 2012 at 6:48 am
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If you were to conduct the field experiment as suggested, you might, well, pick up some distorted signals along with the girls.

The predominant sentiment in Poland is social conservative, nationalist, even anti-foreigner. This contributes without a doubt to the kind of reactions Roosh reported. On the other hand, liberal sexual morals and feminist-leftist multiculturalism reign supreme in urban Finland. Women award you a bonus point for being a foreigner. Two, if you’re black. Good luck calibrating your experiment variables.

But then, maybe digit ratios within given populations have shaped the respective societies to begin with. That is, the Poles are conservative etc. and the Finns promiscuous etc. _because_ of their congenital predisposition.


  • Ripp
    on March 12, 2012 at 4:08 am
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    “Women award you a bonus point for being a foreigner. Two, if you’re black. Good luck calibrating your experiment variables.”

    Curious: is this your theory based on one or two observed isolated incidents? Can you post a source?



The Aloof Alpha Attitude Explained

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Harkat
on March 8, 2012 at 6:38 pm
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So, I’m trying to get it on with this girl at my school and would like some
experienced cheateau-goers to assess my performance:

Let’s call the girl B. She’s a strong 7, I’d say, but she dresses very conservatively, so hard to tell: Always sweater, never cleavage or skirt. I like her face though. She seems pretty secluded from any major female friend-circle there. I mostly see her in study prep (aka do-homework-at-school-time), where she does not, unlike most other girls, kid around with a big group. She’s the shy, quite academic type. Loves music, plays piano, reads sheet music books for various genres.

So far, I’ve been using light (but persistent) teasing (“that’s rude”, “you’re lying”, etc) and general cockiness, interspersed with displays of indifference and disinterest (gazing away when she’s talking to me, walking off to talk to another girl in the room without excusing myself, etc.). I genuinely find her quite interesting to talk to about music, people, books and so on, and I don’t really feel like I’m supplicating, even when I’m unaggressive, which is often.

Today, I said hi to B with a slight smile and found her reaction a little too cold, so I promptly walked up to the hottest girl in the room – a classmate which I am on decent but platonic terms with, let’s call her E – and asked her to give me a backrub, right there and then. The day before, I had given a backrub to this hot chick’s friend, and I told her E had inherited the debt and owed me one. So she gave me my backrub, right in front of 30 other pupils, crucially including girl B, who I spotted looking at me. I think I handled that pretty well – I never acted overly grateful for the backrub or anything, passing it off with an unimpressed “yeah, it was pretty good” afterwards.

So: I sat down at B’s table, and lo and behold, her tone had changed. She was very warm. I was still pretty soft on her, trying to be charming and make her laugh rather than intense or fear-inspiring. I did make her laugh a lot, and she always seemed slightly more interested in my words than I was in hers.

So, dear Cheatau gentlemen, am I being too soft? I wonder if I’m merely exchanging boring beta friend-status for interesting, fun beta-friend status. Do I need to up the asshole? Is it blown already?

Worth noting: I have asked her to “go out” twice, both times I was rejected because she “was moving houses” all weekend. She did tell me she was free at the end of the month though. Aslo, I’m 16 turning 17, she’s 17 turning 18.

I’d appreciate some guidance.


  • Ripp
    on March 8, 2012 at 9:45 pm
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    Harkat:
    You’re doing yourself an invaluable deed by focusing on personal development at such a young age. Keep it up my friend. Continue the studies and most importantly- the application of game (meaning actually execute in field and talk to women).

    Analysis:
    ONEitis. Text book. Any time, ANY time you are spending this much energy thinking about the reactions and outcome of any ONE woman, you are exhibiting ONEitis. You’re entire inner frame is bass-akwards. You’re making your hunt for pussy about her and not about you. Beta.

    Suggestion:
    Get her #. I recommend the “party invitation close”. Next interaction with her where you make her laugh: immediately after do this (with an assertive confident tone) “listen, my friend is having a party- you and your friends need to come. I’ll txt you the info later [ have your phone out and ready to enter #] so you’re a “123…?”. Close by starting with saying the area code as if you know it. She’ll then fill in the blanks. Txt her immediately with “cute outfit, i didn’t realize Walmart was so popular” then roll off like something else caught your attention.

    don’t txt her or talk to her or call her regarding this bullshit party you invited her to, ever again.

    Ignore her for the next week, at least, and work on #closing other women.

    Lastly, stop your shit eating smile around women in general and yes, crank up the assholery, big time. The uncaring “I don’t give a shit about anything except blowing my load in or on a chic” assholery. And they will love you for it.

    Oh yah, when women are young and inexperienced it’s the most easiest time to program them with what they think are sexual norms: do man kind a favor and make them swallow cum, do anal and don’t even think about giving a shit whether they cum or not. you prob won’t neIed to worry about that til college…and even then, eh…and take pics and video. Its so easy these days with smart phones.



Thwack
on March 8, 2012 at 6:55 pm
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For the brothas, just say:

“you’re cute, I would ask you out, but I don’t date white girls”

WG: “Why not!”

You: “its complicated”

and then rope-a-dope the rest of the evening as she wears herself out trying convince you to give her a chance.


  • Ripp
    on March 8, 2012 at 9:58 pm
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    And if she can’t find you in the dim lit venue just smile wide and she’ll spot you in a second…

    harmless joke…deal with it.

    CH any commentary on black beta men? I always notice they dance like monkeys around their target and unload a salvo of cheesy ghetto fabulous compliments: “damn girl you be smokin’….heeba jooba babooba jooba…mmmm mmm, ”

    …the SWPL beta equivalent of pecking and groveling and buying drinks.



The Other Three Weeks

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n/a
on March 6, 2012 at 6:05 pm
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Think I found the girl for me.

http://gawker.com/5890506/olivia-munns-super-dirty-alleged-naked-pics-lick-my-tight-asshole-and-choke-me

The hotter they are the nastier they get. Thank Fucking God.


  • YaReally
    on March 7, 2012 at 9:37 am
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    lol I should post some of the txts I get.

    It’s awesome to see public reaction to that stuff. “no way it’s real a girl would never txt that” and shit from both men and women.

    Those Hackers exposed the “Secret Society” in action:

    http://www.bristollair.com/2008/inner-game/nature-reality/secret-society/

    When you’re a part of it, this is standard shit, when you’re not a part of it every girl will pretend to be an angel and pretend other girls are all angels. Certain guys will never ever know it exists. Most girls will only show their secret society side to the appropriate guys…so she’ll txt her BF “drive safe love you baby xoxoxo” and then seconds later txt a secret society guy “god I want your cock my pussy is so wet…”

    The funniest to me is always that the girls are usually super horny when they start texting like that and I’ll be texting back like I’m super horny too and helping them get off but really I’m making a sandwich or playing Xbox at a buddy’s place or whatever.

    The invention of texting was epic for guys with game. You can keep a girl horny for you all day long, thinking of your cock while she’s at work with nobody knowing which pays off in spades sexually when you hook up that night or if you go silent on her and suddenly stop texting for a few days. I make them send pics from their work bathrooms and tease them about “what would your co-workers think if they knew what a dirty little slut you were…I bet you love it.” and all that shit.

    A lot of guys are like “texting is for pussies, real men call” blah blah. Those guys suck at txt game. I usually try to get a girl texting like Olivia Munn before our first date (txt em past 10pm when they’re in bed and turn the convo sexual vs texting friend zoney shit), that’s why I usually (sometimes I still need to build some face to face comfort, depends on her personality) don’t have to take them to restaurants or anything, our first “date” is them coming over horny as fuck since I laid the groundwork in advance.

    Sometimes I’ll even make pretend plans to go to a fancy restaurant or whatever because I know I can just escalate fast and we’ll end up stayin in and I’ll save my $ lol


    • Anonymous
      on March 7, 2012 at 1:00 pm
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      Tyler Durden talked about this years ago. Heartiste has been saying it for years.

      I see this blog as ground zero for men ” — like a ROCK OF GIBRALTAR where the Chateau is like the only place left for the truth in an ocean of pretty lies.

      You get the sense the MSM does not even know how to handle this blog and the people on it — and you know the MSM is readig it


      • YaReally
        on March 7, 2012 at 5:52 pm
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        I like this blog cause it’s a halfway point between MSM and PUA. MSM has already written PUAs off as silly fuzzy hats raping drunk bar sluts. PUA blogs are too unacceptable to the MSM.

        But the Chateau presents stuff just bordering on unacceptable so the MSM can occasionally acknowledge the content here.

        Except for the shitting thing.

        [heartiste: ima goddamn diplomat for poon!]


        • Ripp
          on March 7, 2012 at 6:52 pm
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          I think Ann Coulter would love to be shat on.

          Sometimes when I see her scrawny bug eyed self cackling away on fox news I think secretly she’d love it if 5 guys blew their load in a martini glass and made her drink it.



Ripp
on March 6, 2012 at 8:13 pm
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Many students that begin to have success with game often error by too much AAG. It’s important to remember that the attraction phase of PU is short- less than 3minutes.

Whether you are able to continue game process at the point of initial contact or have to time-bridge to a day2 (first date) it is key to remember that you are in the COMFORT stage and flashes of BRG are necessary.

As a guideline Mystery mentions that comfort building usually requires 4 to 10 hours before seduction can be successful (mitigate LMR). Thats 4 to 10 hours face to face time.

During this mid-game is where the art of balance between AAG and BRG is needed relative to your target’s responsiveness. Many beta men, even good looking men blow themselves out by going into excessive mis-calibrated cocky/qualifying over emphasized attraction routines because they have misread that the target is *already* attracted and they should now be focusing on adding dimensions to their personality and genuinely (or manipulatively, heh) building a connection.

BRG can be used to achieve this.

Suggested topics for comfort BRG: family, health, desires in life, past relationships (good feelings), food/cooking.

BRG routines mixed with playful teasing and kino plowing (when she laughs) builds connection -> comfort -> sexual comfort.

Contrast the above with a sprinkle of random asshole spikes of making fun of fat/ugly people in proximity, a light neg, fleeting eyes of disinterest in her stories, calling her a dork, telling her she bought her clothes at Walmart……..and voila! She’ll think “I just can’t figure this guy out??? He’s charming but so critical but sometimes he’s sweet but he’s also a dick I just can’t tell if he likes me…”