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Game Trumps Looks

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on September 30, 2011 at 3:45 pm
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I have a question. Just how much will game compensate for in terms of race? I’m Asian, so there is obviously a disadvantage there when trying to date outside your race (it doesn’t help that I vehemently refuse to date Asian girls).

  • AlphaAnon
    on September 30, 2011 at 6:08 pm
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    Google Asian Playboy and see if you can find some material from him. He’s a short asian dude and has solid game. Actually met him and learned some good shit.

Chicks Dig Jerks: Prison Tryst Edition

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on September 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm
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Many PUAs advocate the “treat a lady like a whore, and a whore like a lady” concept. Sounds like bullcrap to me, and it doesn’t fit with my personal experience.
I’m sticking with “all women possess an irredeeemable attraction for men who are at least a little more asshole than the men within their social milieu”.

  • Ripp
    on September 27, 2011 at 4:35 pm
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    Similar to the novicely carried notion that being alpha is being an asshole all of the time, to everyone.

The Subtle Art Of The Insidious Neg

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on September 26, 2011 at 2:57 pm
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In-her-face negs are really only suited for very hot girls (8s and above) who think too much of themselves, work in a sex field (stripper, pharmaceutical sales rep)

*horrifying face* Uhm Exsqueeze me Heartiste! But I am insulted by the idea that you believe Pharmaceutical sales reps are “working in a sex field”. LOL! We are ones who provide those wonderful free drug samples that grandma and grandpa and others may need to stay alive, be healthier with a better quality of life – thankyouverymuch!

*proudly exiting thread with head held high*

  • Ripp
    on September 26, 2011 at 7:29 pm
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    Pharmaceutical sales isn’t even sales. Being in ‘direct’ sales where you have a commisioned based comp plan where you are paid a % per booked order, that IS sales. This is NOT pharma sales. It’s more of a tits and ass marketing gig.

    After college many of the sorority slurrs that I knew became pharma reps. Such a fucking joke of a job. You drive around with a bunch of meds in your company car and drop off samples to doctors and bring them cupcakes and other bullshit, show some cleavge and shake your ass.

    I second what AB mentioned. Had similar conversations with a few of them.

Tony D
on September 26, 2011 at 3:35 pm
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I used to me much more Machiavellian with my verbal game, and it has it’s time and place for sure.

I really like, “You have really nice hair! Do you have any split ends? (They all do.)

This usually gets them stumbling, “Oh yeah, well, I need a haircut soon, blah, blah, blah,”

At this point you feign disinterest

It’s pretty devious.

  • Ripp
    on September 26, 2011 at 7:46 pm
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    Along the same lines I like this one:

    [While she is talking to you, interupt, give puzzled glance at her hair]

    You: what is your natural hair color?

    Her: omg can you see my roots? I need to go back to stylist blah blah, my natural hair color is baby shit brown blah blah blah

on September 26, 2011 at 4:46 pm
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If someone called me modest I would take it as a sincere compliment. Same goes for humble, polite, calm, low-key, easy to approach, etc.

Maybe it’s a Southern thing.

  • Ripp
    on September 26, 2011 at 7:39 pm
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    So Anne, what is your SMV? Rhetorical.

    ~6 or less. “Modest.”

on September 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm
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Excellent post.

As some others mentioned, there is much misunderstanding about negs. Admittedly it took me some time to fully grasp their application and effectiveness. And overcome the common mistake thinking that “a neg is an insult.” It surely is not.

It is also important to mention that a neg is not always needed. That is also a misconception to think you have to neg.

A successful neg I’ve been using lately (usually on dates or in convo with a high compliance target.):

[Frame discussion around health/working out/diet etc]

You: it’s perfectly OK for a man to desire a healthy woman as his partner, eats right, stays healthy, has healthy waist-to-hip-ratio…”

Her: [hamster if full fucking overdrive]

The responses I get vary, however they almost always lead to an endless spew of her qualifying her “healthy” habits (sometimes while smoking a cigarette on her 4th cocktail of the hour.)

Other responses include:
“lol what is a waist to hip ratio. ” in which case I school her a little bit, use as excuse to touch her, show her wiki pedia page on WHR on my phone. Get those insecurities about her weight bubbling over the top.

“oh lol, I guess I’m not that healthy…lol” this being the self depricating type of response.

Try it out. Works well for me b/c I’m in shape.

Caveat: if you’re out of shape, hold the frame that you are aware and working on it if she throws it back at u.

  • uh
    on September 27, 2011 at 10:15 pm
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    Other responses include:
    “lol what is a waist to hip ratio. ” in which case I school her a little bit, use as excuse to touch her, show her wiki pedia page on WHR on my phone. Get those insecurities about her weight bubbling over the top.

    Fucking brilliant, dude. Happily, 95% of the targets won’t be able to piece together the total meaning of “waist to hip ratio” at first hearing, and require instruction.

    • Ripp
      on September 29, 2011 at 5:20 am
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      It really is a good one. Easy to bring up too with the whole health topic etc.

The Subtle Art Of The Insidious Neg

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on September 27, 2011 at 11:10 pm
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Question: What do you do if a girls says something like this:

“Nice neg.”


“I can’t believe you just negged me. That is so lame.”

This goes beyond just negs. Game has been public since Mystery started giving his seminars in 2001. Its been 10 years now. Girls know what this stuff is. What do you say if a girl directly calls you out on using Game or negs or anything PUA related?

[Heartiste: I'd run with it. "Yeah, I'm trying out my new stuff on someone who looks like they could use it." Whatever you do, don't get defensive.]

  • Ripp
    on September 29, 2011 at 5:36 am
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    I have only had this happen to me once, and that was by a hot 9 vegas VIP table cocktail server. I can’t remember what exactly was said, but it was one of my friends that said something stupid. Wasn’t really even a neg.

    Her: “was that a neg?”

    Me: “no, because if it was, we’d actually be interested in you. go get our drinks, thanks.”

    Never had it happen since.

    IMO women aren’t analytical enough during social conversation to dissect the content and render the conclusion that you have negged her. If she did say that, it was premeditated from her watching mystery on VH1.

    Just chuckle and say “dork.” Roll off.

What Is Anti-Game?

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on September 23, 2011 at 2:23 pm
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Women are repulsed by anti-game both consciously and sub-consciously.

Case in point:

I once met this chick and on the 3 date we had sex and I was too tipsy to drive back home, so I slept at her place. I only had one condom but I initiated the second round of combat in the middle of the night with the intention of pulling out.

She was on top when I was about to nut and as I started to push her off me, she held on to me with all her strength, so I busted half a nut inside her.

Scared of any accusations or actual crazy kids, I resorted to calling her (literally) 10 times a day and calling her pet names and all of that anti-game thing. Needless to say, she lost interest in me.

I told this story to my very naive, current girlfriend and she high-fived me.

  • xsplat
    on September 24, 2011 at 9:23 am
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    Playing Urkel is an impressive mind fuck. More impressive than playing alpha, as playing alpha gets internalized. Playing Urkel is pure acting – pure Machiavelian mind fuckery.

    • Recovering Nice Guy
      on September 24, 2011 at 2:13 pm
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      Using anti-game to get rid of a chick doesn’t work!

      It *appeared* to work for Mikeraw only because the chick did not think she was pregnant. If she would have been pregnant, the chick would have stuck to him like superglue.

      Should be an axiom: Anti-game won’t get you sex, but it WILL get you responsibilities and dependents.

      It is well known that chicks who are fucking bad boys will fuck one of their nice-guy orbiters if she is suspicious she is pregnant, because the nice guy will lend a hand, and foot the bills. Sounds like a minor win for the nice guy, right? But it isn’t The nice guy will still get minimal sex. Often none at all after the one time.

      Same goes for the nice guy who gets the leftover chick after then end of her glory days on the alpha cock carousel. He will get the walk down the isle. He will get to pay for the stepchildren’s braces. He will get to mow the lawn every weekend. But will he get sex? Maybe a fair amount for the first year. But she will probably tell him that she doesn’t do blowjobs or anal, and omit the fact that she did both of those with every man she has ever been with except him. As soon as all of his responsibilities and dependents become permanent, the sex goes down to zero times per month.

      How do I know this? Combination of being the nice guy described above, and watching the same thing happening to other guys all around me.

      • Ripp
        on September 25, 2011 at 5:57 am
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        Anti-game works to deter bitches.

        It’s like fuckin kryptonite to superman. And it WILL work to covertly initiate her to start the breakup process. Before I was studying game I called it “planting a wedge issue.” It’s a great strategy to minimize or eliminate the crying/obsessive-calling/crazy chic bullshit that happens if you pull a hard dump and freeze out.

        Inadvertantly you have demonstarted your lack of experience. Its a burn you had to pay for your step kids braces and live with the knowledge that wifey took lotsa cocka up the poopa shoot. Your friends are betas too.

        Sorry man. Anti-game works to rid of a chic.

        Stupidity and lack of options for pussy gets you punching step kids meal card.

        • Josh
          on September 25, 2011 at 11:40 pm
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          Gonna have to agree with nice guy. In my more beta days, I had 3 drunken night stands with the same chick (dumb & desperate I know), each time I ended up nutting full blast in her. I, being military, and her being a small-town slut with no options, mad her hell-bent on having a baby with me no matter what despite my beggings, pleads, and all out rage at her over the phone to take a morning after pill. They will scheme to have your kid if they can get an easy paycheck & benefits out of it with Uncle Sam’s blessings. Luckily, I had an old good friend from childhood who’s a textbook alpha and a borderline sociopath with women coach me on what to exactly do/say each time to convince her to go down to the clinic with me and have her take the pill and swallow it in front of me.

          I am confident if I was left to my own devices and tried to anti-game my way out of those fuckups with a beta/omega frame, I’d be paying child support out of the ass right now.

          • Ripp
            on October 3, 2011 at 10:45 am
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            Perhaps we need to distinguish between women who have been knocked up and ones who have not.

            I have no experience in dealing with getting a woman pregnant. Only 2 particular instances of a pregnancy scare.

            I usually initiate a hard dump/freeze out when nexting a chic. However sometimes that will add more attraction and thus anti-game is useful to kill attraction and interest.

            In the context of the original post, anti-game is a pussy deterrent. However as far as getting out of paying out for an unwanted child….damn…sucks to be you guys.

on September 23, 2011 at 7:52 pm
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“All men ultimately do everything they do for the pussy. Game merely streamlines the process by dispensing with the proxy inefficiencies.”

False. Definitely not true. BOYS, not MEN, would do anything for the pussy. I confess that there used to be a period in my life during which I would do anything for the pussy. High level of testosterone explains this pretty well. I estimate this being within a life period from 14 – to 26/7 years old. During this couple of years we (together with my buddies) set a goal of fucking at least 50 beautifull women. We thought that THIS would definitely turn us from boys into MEN. There was no doubt about this one among us, in this time. Then somewhere along the line…something changed. Womne just…lost their importance. So I set up a business, my own company – you know, the ultimate manliness as my generation was told by our daddies – to create someting from nothing and you will be da MAN. I gotta admit that this was/is definitely the thing OF GREATER importance than to fuck women, this is a real fight, this is a tough thing to do, but still…no satisfaction.

Than, I my late thirties…I turned into spirituality – gnosticism, meditation, meyrink, things far above this humble and primitive existence. There finally has been some satisfaction, some purpose, some mission……

Anyway, you roissy are doing the great job for beta chumps, I salute to you, man. But I still can not get this one – WHY are women still so important to you? Suppose you´ve fucked your share of gorgeous pussy, what is the reason of doing this over and over again? It is the same stupid story, over and over again, isn´t it? Women are just little children of little significance for a MAN, aren´t they? I will not give ´em a single euro from my hard earned income, single minute of my time, unless they PROVE to me that they are worthy of my time/attention.

What is the ultimate purpose of our existence on this planet? To fuck some amoral, little child?

Maybe you guys have bigger problems with women, like we do, I don´t know. I was born/live in the Eastern Europe. I occaisonally travel to your country on business and I gotta admit that your “western” women are behaving like some spoiled little brats. What a mess!! Should some chick form my country behave this way she will have a tough time with us.

To cut it short, my response to the question “what is antigame” is – to treat women as if they were somehow important for da MAN and HIS mission on this planet. Best wishes roissy.

  • Ripp
    on September 24, 2011 at 4:53 am
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    “But I still can not get this one – WHY are women still so important to you?

    I’ve asked myself and pondered this many times. My answer is this:

    Old and New.

    My guess is its the same for our host and many of the aspiring artists on here: No matter how hot she is, how good the sex is, how well she molds to my life, there is always one constant: she will become old news. Then I will want a new one.

  • Matador
    on September 24, 2011 at 12:47 pm
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    Read Sperm wars, or The mating mind, or The selfish gene.
    We are biological machines programmed to reproduce. The sole purpose of all existence is to pass our genes to the next generation.
    Heartiste was probably referring to the subconscious motivations of men. Everything we do revolves around pussy. Everything women do revolves around being inseminated by the top dawgs.
    Forget about spirituality when you read this blog. Embrace materialism and cynicism.

    • King A
      on September 24, 2011 at 8:41 pm
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      Yeah. Go absorb “Sperm Wars” and Dawkins and you’ll start regurgitating inanities like “Everything we do revolves around pussy. … Embrace materialism and cynicism.” In other words, you get what you pay for, you are what you eat. Chow on the intellectual equivalent of junk food, and you’ll get flabby. Works for Matador.

      For everybody else who isn’t so credulous and morose, read Callicles’s dialogue with Socrates in Plato’s Gorgias. Or the mastery of logos over thymos and eros in The Phaedrus and The Republic.

      Or Aristotle’s discussion of self-indulgence and temperance in The Nicomachean Ethics, Book VII, chapter 5.

      Game is all just ephemeral noise if you lack self-discipline. A life dedicated to chasing vag is the elevation of a base instinct to philosophy, the worship of undiscipline. Internet love gurus talk about eating right and staying in shape to retain one’s edge in the field, and good for them — but then they grab the first snake-oil hermeneutics they see to ground their strategies in “philosophy.” When all of the tactics and trickery fall away, they are left gazing into the abyss at their feet, and forums like these devolve into the inane chatter of evangelists for nihilism, like Matador.

      Evolutionary scientism is the bottom of the epistemological food chain, gamers. Anyone exposed to concepts greater than the intellectual equivalent of a Newsweek article knows how flimsy and unreliable its claims are. An epistemology based on control and experiment — the scientific method — is by definition falsifiable in the very next observation and therefore fundamentally unstable (and evo psych isn’t even that; it’s modern phrenology). Didn’t some dork at CERN nearly upend Einstein by forgetting to carry the one the other day?

      Everyone has a faith. Matador’s (and Roissy’s) faith is that Richard Dawkins is carrying the one in all of his “scientific” calculations, calculations that steal the good name of “science” to dignify simple prejudice. And it’s a stupid prejudice at that, one that insists without evidence we all must “embrace cynicism” rather than attempt an inquiry that grown-ups have employed since ancient Athens.

      No matter — earnest students of game with a head on their shoulders will run up against the limits and tire of the false promise, just like greggy. Who would’ve thought there was another red pill to swallow? We’re not caught in The Matrix so much as we are rising up out of Inception.

      • Ripp
        on September 25, 2011 at 7:14 am
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        Queen B,

        Profound, in big word rhetoric you are. I suggest you read Anal Blonde Sluts 2, Cum Guzzler’s Galore and See Spot Run for further contrast and analysis regarding your opposition.

        Perhaps you need a break from over zealous thesaurus study?

        Let’s simplify your reply:
        I disagree with Matador and ch. Using greggy as an example, he has realized there is more to being a MAN than just getting lots of good tastin’ well behavin’ and clean shavin’ pussy. I think so too. Being a MAN isn’t just about ravishing hot fresh vagina, it’s about philosophy, religion and big words and stuff. :-D

        (Sorry, I threw in a few adjectives for our readers entertainment value.)

        If you really had the mastery of game that you imply, to which you feel elevated enough to piss on game as if its a “false promise” to use your phrase, then why don’t you have amazing sex with a hot new 10 every month for one year? Catalog all tactics and results, then report back here and explain why getting amazing pussy isn’t all its cracked up to be.

        Should you really have the skill set to pull this off, (which you don’t), you wouldn’t be so angry and spiteful of those who study, apply and share the knowledge of game.

        Perhaps your “limit” was one of self dissapointment and failure. Is your wife fat?

      • King A
        on September 26, 2011 at 1:18 pm
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        …someone who reads this blog and the comment sections needs to at least be informed of the scientific undercurrents of Game.

        This idea is harmless. Having a grounding in deceptive fundamentals is better than never thinking about those fundamentals at all. It certainly will help newbies translate the scientistic noise into something practical. But those “undercurrents” are a trickle compared to the vast subterranean oceans of philosophy that give power and context to scientific observation.

        There is a difference between science and scientism. Science is falsifiable (Popper); inductive (Hume); a process of control, experiment, and observation (Bacon). Scientism is the faith that science adequately encompasses the entirety of knowledge and therefore can pronounce authoritatively on every subject in the universe. But some subjects, particularly those touching human behavior, do not yield to a process of experiment and observation. Science is excellent for, say, predicting the Newtonian movement of matter through space, but, as Einstein’s relativity showed, even Newton’s “laws” are only conditionally reliable. Science is far less adequate informing us the best way to live, the origin of our instincts, the motivations of women — at least with anything near the same degree of precision. So worshiping a faulty hermeneutics like scientism quickly devolves into “cynicism” and “materialism.”

        If you can’t get through that paragraph, you’ll be jousting with phantoms (“religion and big words and stuff”) and missing my point. That’s fine. Our disagreement is at the margins. But the margins occasionally come into play.

        I grant you that self-discipline is not an empty concept, regardless of the religeous [sic] motivations that push you to emphasize it.

        And this is where the margins come into play. My advocacy for self-discipline is not grounded in “religious motivations.” I cited ancient pagans, not Ss. Paul and Augustine (though I could). I make frequent reference to the most famous atheist in history, Friedrich Nietzsche. The inescapable need for self-mastery is grounded in natural law, in my immediate experience, and in the reliable, hard-nosed wisdom of the most practical of philosophers, Aristotle. “Know thyself” and “The unexamined life is not worth living” are Socratic observations, not Christian directives.

        You don’t have to be classically educated to be a student of game. I am not engaged in a pissing contest over who can cite the most obscure philosophy, though I can understand why the untutored would see it that way. I am saying there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your evo psych scientism. I am testifying independently to the truth of game based in higher sources than are apparently available to you. When those sources come in conflict, I spell out the cause of the disagreement.

        And we apparently disagree about the importance of self-discipline and the origin of a man’s proper motivations. I connect the one to the other and discover that our various differences are caused by one large difference (or “undercurrent”), which you can’t be bothered examining.

        But my point is, those of us who do examine it, we who do take the inquiry down to first principles, are not somehow betraying the precepts of game, advocating cryptofeminism, keyboard jockeying, or spouting high-minded overeducated nonsense. We are maturing game, making it more sturdy, less random, more reliable. There are easily avoidable reasons why game breaks down, and it is destined to break down given a reliance on a set of certain assumptions, your faith in their indomitable power notwithstanding. My aim is to see it never break down. It doesn’t for me. It shouldn’t for anyone.

        “You cannot fully grasp the concepts developed on this blog if you did not taste the ‘junk food’. I was merely preaching for a stop by Mickey D’s once in a while.”

        Well, I’m talking to you, aren’t I?

        Criticizing the pursuit of pussy above everything else is not criticizing the pursuit per se (“Maybe you’re a homo” — Anonymous). We criticize your thoughtless elevation of it to an idol, a religion which makes everything in your life dependent on its perfection. That’s a thin membrane over the abyss, leading you and the Chateau to occasionally fall yowling into a pointless and counterproductive advocacy of nihilism.

        You are allergic to religion — I get that. But McPhilosophy gluttons are more faithful to a nothing than any pew-bored parishioner is to a something. They are such zealots for the faith, in fact, that they find heresy in and seek excommunication of anyone who deviates slightly from the creed.

        • Ripp
          on October 3, 2011 at 11:33 am
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          King A,

          The circumlocutory vernacular of your postings are eloquent, yet grossly unnecessary to communicate your point- thus materializing into “spouting high-minded overeducated nonsense” (your exact phrase.)

          “I consider game grounded exclusively in evolutionary psychology to be a false promise and therefore of limited utility.”

          Understood. See how easy that was to convey? One sentence. Now as I facetiously alluded to in my last reply, and based on your supposed higher states of conscience than just deriving game from Evo Psych: Enlighten us.

          From your other schools of learning and influence, what successful game tactics, strategies, real life examples have you ‘successfully’ executed to consistently bed beautiful women? And to be clear, I am referring to women that are *physically* attractive (25yrs or less, pretty face, small waist, round plump ass, round plump boobs) of SMV 9 or higher to use the common lingo.

          In all seriousness, care to share?

          P.S. My instinct suggests you have had very limited (if any) success with seducing women of the above description. A common pattern I see here at CH: Those who are angered by the knowledge exposed here work hard to rationalize their disgust with it. I could be wrong about you though. Am I?

Yes I'm mad
on September 24, 2011 at 12:46 am
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How do you generate attraction when you dont feel emotional attraction for the person, and how do you do it when your conversation turns boring?

I’m in uni and I’ve overcome my approach anxiety, but I often cant 1. attract girls and 2. find attractive things in them (qualify them). I have no problem with talking to anyone, guy or girl, very hot girl etc but my interactions are often really boring.

I’m calling bullshit on those who advocate pure inner game. Its what I’m doing and its not working mainly because I dont have any attractive things about myself to talk about apart from the fact I (want to) host house parties and I like to lift. I got over approach anxiety by talking to a lot of people and putting very little effort into conversations, also when girls flaked on me I put less and less effort into conversations. But now if I want to DHV it involves effort on my part and for me that means investing. I have to turn to outer game now for attraction routines and crap because I have nothing interesting to say. Many girls in uni are fucking boring – if I dont put any effort into the conversation, the conversation is dead. All the effort is on my part and because I’m low energy, laconic and deadpan, often nothing exciting happens unless I make it.

  • Ripp
    on September 24, 2011 at 5:19 am
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    Some suggestions and feedback:

    1) There is a substantial ‘work’ component to game. Many don’t acknowledge this. There are tedious and uneventful things you will have to do to get the pussy. Learn some gambits and routines, practice them, modify/adapt them to your personality to become congruent. Its work man. Bottom line.

    2) Low T or low sex drive? I’m not patronizing just curious if this is part of your issue. For me, if I see a smoking hot bitch with a round ass and small waste and pretty face, I’ll fucking talk to her about steamy dog shit on the morning grass to start the seduction process: I’m fucking horny! Maybe look at your diet? I take some suppliments and eat very healthy. Try not having sex or jerking off for 2 weeks or more, a month if you can do it. That will be some healthy biological motivation to talk to bitches.

    3) find a good friend to work with on this shit. Critique each other. Set simple yet attainable goals. Approach 1 set a day for a positive exchange. Then step it up: 2 sets per day, opening/attraction only. Then 3 sets a day, go for # close. You get the idea.

    4) read about body language, non-verbal communication.

    Its not going to change overnight. If you always do what you’ve always done…you’ll always get what you’ve always got.

    Good luck man.

on September 24, 2011 at 4:39 am
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good post.

for women:

-be over 25 (focus on your career while waiting)
-enjoy the sunshine naturally, without applying toxic chemicals on your skin
-don’t be “anorexic” (“men love curves!”)
-be slutty (use alcohol to suppress your common sense)
most important: have shitty DNA

  • Ripp
    on September 25, 2011 at 5:34 am
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    -dress like you shop and live at walmart
    -have tangly and ratty hair
    -have yellow teeth
    -don’t shave your pussy
    -snort when you laugh
    -have dog shit breath from talking too much about stupid shit
    -talk too much about stupid shit
    -talk about how you are healthy, but you are soft, don’t excercise, smoke cigarettes, eat fast food, drink excessively
    -be too lazy to get dolled up for your man, or when trying to meet men
    -chew with mouth open
    -sop up attention from fat worthless beta and omega guys to try and stroke your ego in front of alpha men
    -have a stinky pussy
    -engage in sex and have toilet paper stuck to your nasty pussy and asshole, or worse still on the rag

    I’ll think of more later…

The Anti-False Rape Accusation Campaign

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King A
on September 22, 2011 at 11:58 pm
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Put up the billboards. Hold “Take Back The Day” rallies for “FRA” (an acronym already? really?). March on Washington. Write your congress-person. Etc.

It’s called blowback. Deal with it. You want a wide-open culture of promiscuity in which herds upon herds of the young and skankfied are free to roam about and rub up against each other and exchange intimacies and body fluids without any consequence?

Women have been stripped defenseless by the culture. They will seek blunt remedies in law now that dads have put away their shotguns and the rough justice dispensed since ancient times has become obsolete, illegal, or considered declasse.

Sex alters a person. It especially alters a woman. Pretending it is all just so much friction to be forgotten upon withdrawal is as much of a lie as anything feminists perpetrate. Women who insist “it was no big deal” are not eliminating the power of the encounter through denial so much as they are repressing it and forcing it to manifest in chaotic ways. “When you have sex your body makes a promise whether you do or not.”

We used to have channels for these impulses, ways to deal with these realities. When all sexual standards were eviscerated, so were the standards of rationality and fairness with regard to all things sexual. The baby was thrown out with the bathwater. You cannot effect justice over the 25-40% FRA rate without offering some recompense for the betrayal of “the promise.” With each false accusation, women are attempting to piece together the dignity that was stolen from them, that the official culture (and you) insists can be freely pillaged from them without recompense — and they should be okay with it, what’s the big deal, go join a Slutwalk or something, slut, it’s a term of empowerment now, don’t you know?

Something has to give.

  • n/a
    on September 24, 2011 at 2:35 am
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    To write that sex “alters a person” is exaggeration. Most sexual encounters are perfectly forgettable. People have *always* had casual sex. It is a basic instinct and it will not be confined. It’s like eating and shitting. I’ve had memorable dumps, dinners, and muff-dives: almost none of them altered anything except my mood at the time.

    There is no “blowback.” What we suffer from is an infamous alignment between the interests of sexually desperate beta males and man-hating feminists. It is a legal phenomenon that exists at the long tail end of this stale peace.

    The “something that has to give” is this disgusted peace. Total war makes clear what Roissy correctly calls the biology that underlies culture: men assert their perogatives. Feminism and faggotry come to an end. because people have a living memory of deadly violence. Until the useful savagery of a total war turns the soil, we’ll have these weeds to regret.

    I enjoyed your comments in yesterday’s thread. Cheers.

    • King A
      on September 24, 2011 at 1:58 pm
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      “[I]nfamous alignment between the interests of sexually desperate beta males and man-hating feminists” is well-put, n/a. I am all about recovering the martial metaphor (and in spots allowing it to become literal): “disgusted peace,” “total war,” “deadly violence,” “useful savagery.” Years of inapt analogizing like “War on Poverty” or “The Culture War” or “War on Drugs” has reduced its metaphorical power. War is certainly a more familiar vehicle than this namby-pamby “Male Rights Activism.”

      This flight to politics and law is feminine. Men don’t whine to the principal about infelicities in life. We set about conquering obstacles directly by our own hand. Men aren’t activists; we are active, we are actors, yes, we act to shape the environs to our will. We don’t cower under codes and legalism and the vicarious power of faceless bureaucracy, like girls running to their daddies. Activism is self-referential busy-bodiness designed to blow off steam while deferring responsibility to one’s problem-solving superiors.

      A man doesn’t complain to the magistrate about his daughter being disrespected; he and her uncles beat the piss out of the punk (or credibly threaten to). Everything else is fancy impotence. Under a regime where men can take care of themselves and their own, a girl is risking a lot more than contempt of court by lying about sex. She is placing a proud family’s honor in the balance, the abuse of which would entail far more personal consequences. (In Islamic countries, she’s killed for being raped, much less crying rape.)

      Men are not allowed their due anywhere in modern life, except perhaps in sports. So why fixate on such a small corner of this blanket injustice? It does more harm than good to utilize the perverse legal structure in service of a minor correction, which requires us to implicitly condone its authority as a whole. The legal code has been amended to include the special interests of a million aggrieved parties at the expense of undermining the social contract at its core and devaluing the status of mere citizenship. To heap one more complaint on the pile, to carve out one more exception, is to add to the general problem.

      To write that sex “alters a person” is exaggeration. Most sexual encounters are perfectly forgettable. People have *always* had casual sex. It is a basic instinct and it will not be confined. It’s like eating and shitting. I’ve had memorable dumps, dinners, and muff-dives: almost none of them altered anything except my mood at the time.

      We can leave this aside for now and perhaps agree that it affects women more than men. It is much more than “eating and shitting,” however, considering that sex is a biological-cultural imperative that requires the involvement of more than one person. Masturbation might be closer to your digestion comparisons.

      Bottom line is, if you want to solve an injustice, you have to first properly discern what animates that injustice. False rape accusations are a substitution for something. If you tamp them down, they will appear in other forms. Either way, it serves no one to pretend women will be able to handle the consequences of their affairs without recourse to a civic mythology more substantial than what both PUAs and feminism are offering them (“It’s just sex, baby” and “All sex is rape, womyn!” respectively).

      • n/a
        on September 24, 2011 at 7:57 pm
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        False rape accusation is a terrible crime that ruins lives in an especially evil way; therefore, we must never compare the possibly bruised feelings of some female, however close to the eternal feminine these creatures may be in your soulful estimation, with the wrecked life of a man ruined by some stupid bitch.

        Your Christian commitments force you to sentimentalize women, and this misplaced coddling of their supposed sensitivities leads you to excuse their ever-increasing abusiveness as completely and wrongly as the most fanatic feminist. Women are not children; there is no serious analogy there. Men are not sissified – as your rhetoric slyly insists – by recourse to legal remedies for FRA, nor are they compromised in any way by “activist” engagement in the political arena.

        When one is confronted by an evil as serious and urgent as epidemic false rape accusation, any and all means of attacking it are more than justified. The idea that some miraculous reversal of this abuse will occur if only we address some fantasized “root causes” is a monstrous absurdity. As long as we live in a society which encourages women to merely whisper the magic word “rape” in order to destroy innocent men, we must agree that *by any means necessary* is the apt phrase.

        • King A
          on September 26, 2011 at 1:33 pm
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          We will disagree about the nature of women then. I have always found their attempts at manipulation childish and easily neutralized — even now with so much feminist wind at their back. Chalk it up to the diversity of experience.

          Let there be nothing “sly” about my “rhetoric”: men are sissified when they run to another to fix their problems — particularly to the diffuse “other” of the state, or to the capricious “other” of public opinion through ad campaigns. It is an implied concession to that other’s superiority. The state is not my boss; in a republic, the citizen is sovereign, I am the boss, and the state is my servant, my employee. I take my civic prerogatives seriously. So should all freeborn men.

          “As long as we live in a society which encourages women to merely whisper the magic word ‘rape’ in order to destroy innocent men….” I’m glad you put it in those terms, “a society which encourages.” There is our final difference. Lasting change means overturning the society, not pleading for band-aids which only reinforce that society’s authority over us by means of its disbursal of particular favors.

          Giving them the comprehensive power to adjudicate false rape scenarios also gives them the power to reinforce their other, random fiats, like sexual harassment regulations. It may win you particular justice but it strengthens their hand, perversely creating the very climate that encourages such false accusations: when you appease the goddess of favors to procure a favor, you foster an economy of favoritism. When a woman sees the legal apparatus is absolute, she will risk pushing a false charge through it because her victim has agreed to be subservient to its judgment.

          “By any means necessary” also includes the “means” which run contrary to your ultimate purposes. Yours is a kind of sputtering apoplexy over an injustice that breeds impatience, sloppiness, and ultimately ineffectiveness.

          I don’t “sentimentalize” women, and there isn’t the least thing “Christian” about my evaluation of this issue. You’d do well to drop the prejudice and pay attention to what I say, rather than guessing at the dark concepts you think I am attempting to sneak past everyone.

          • Ripp
            on October 4, 2011 at 7:35 am
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            From xsplat to King A:

            “If you are unable or unwilling to summarize your ideas at the end of each post into one or two simple sentences, then your ideas are concealing how wrong they are by being overly complicated.”

            Agree. That is King A’s mantra. However I wouldn’t give him the compliment of ‘overly complicated.’ I think ‘unnecessarily erratic’ is more fitting.

            Also notice how he consistently refutes the posts here at CH, yet provides no grounded personal experiences to support his rhetorical drum of alphabet soup.

on September 23, 2011 at 5:19 am
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Very delighted to read this post. This is something that needs to be acknowledged.

One of my best friends was the victim of FRA. I was the guy doing everything I could from the outside, the one who pieced the evening back together, the one who called his dad and broke the news. I was full of rage at this bitch who did this.

Here is the most horrible disgusting part of the story: All the bitch had to do was go to the police station, cry and makeup a story. No rape kit performed. No evidence. No visible signs of any foul play (because there was none). Nothing. Abso-fucking-lutely not 1 god damn factual scientific shred of anything was brought forth. The cunt went to the police, cried, and bounced. Here is what happened to my friend:

Cops came, arrested him. Put him in jail and charged him with felony rape. Bail was set at $1M. I broke the news to his Dad. Dad hired lawyer (poof, -$15K). Dad pulls $100K out of home equity line to get his son out of this downtown inner city jail. Lawyer advises not to do this because the govt is so fucked up it could be years before getting the money back from this type of crazy charge. Dad has to break news to his boy that he has to tough it out for 72 hours. My friend didn’t eat/sleep or talk to anyone. He was locked in a felony violent offender holding cell for 3 days. He said he just curled up in a ball and stayed in a corner. Fyi this was the downtown jail at one of the biggest cities in the west. My friend is a big guy, can handle himself. But this wasn’t a country club, it was hell.

Lawyer follows up. No other statements, evidence or other attourney involved from the accusing cunt bitch. No formal charges from the DA. Nothing. The bitch never returned calls etc. Nothing nothing nothing. The fucking cunt went about her life as usual. After doing some online reading I learned that as long as the supposed victim “believes” she was raped, she can’t be accused of false allegations. And the cops are obligated to pursue the complaint by jailing and charging the suspect.

My friend was out of work for a full week. Fortunately his parents had a good relationship with his work, so nobody found out anything, said he was sick and just lost 5 days vacation time.

Meanwhile on the social end of it I worked my ass of diffusing the story and being there for my friend. I got in peoples faces and told them to bury this shit. Never joke about it, never bring it up, it goes to the grave.

Months later the cunt randomly sends my friend an IM on yahoo. Unbelievable. The truth is the stupid bitch had a BF and was drunk. Had been playing my friend on the side and had drunk regret after getting fucked.

People this shit is real, and its serious.

I’ve had to block 2 phone #s this summer. I disagree with ending things through diplomacy and trying to be nice. If you have an inkling that she is fucking crazy, leave. Block phone, block email, stay at a friends house, file police report.

Run the ad.

  • Jay Cutler
    on September 23, 2011 at 1:55 pm
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    It’s not going to be acknowledged in the circle jerk but shouldn’t there be some corroboration or at least skepticism before something that skillfuly pulls on every emotional hair on your nuts gets splashed on Heartiste’s Twitter?

    • Ripp
      on September 23, 2011 at 8:34 pm
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      When you actively bang/date/game many women consistently, FRA is a true risk.

      Clearly, you don’t understand.

      Please return to your normally scheduled web site:

  • King A
    on September 24, 2011 at 2:39 pm
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    Wah wah. Go cry with Kobe Bryant and Ben (2X) Roethlisberger. Your friend fucked up by mismanaging the encounter.

    This is the cost of business, fellas. Reassess your budget process if you can’t handle these very predictable known quantities. False charges, stage-five clingers, stalkers, public scenes; none of these are random strikes of fate, they are trackable like weather patterns, and each can be elided into an advantage. If you need assistance in managing the consequences of your affairs, you need assistance in rudimentary game, where the seeds of these incidents are planted.

    “When you actively bang/date/game many women consistently, FRA is a true risk.” No shit. You’re so awesome, such a lothario, piling up beaver pelts and accumulating bedpost notches with your total mastery of game. But you need help like a mongoloid kid cleaning up his own mess?

    “FRA” bitchery is like complaining that society isn’t supplying your sloppy retarded ass with enough diapers.

    • Ripp
      on October 4, 2011 at 6:59 am
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      “Your friend fucked up by mismanaging the encounter.”

      Wrong. He is one of my closest friends, like a brother to me. The next few nights none of us (his closest friends) could sleep and we all chatted on a conf. call often realizing *the circumstances could have happened to any of us.* Clearly you have no strong male alignments or a thriving social life. If you did, you’d understand the implications that a false rape allegation can cause. Actually it was a successful seduction. He fucked the shit out of her…for hours. And she woke up the next morning…

      “Regret is not rape”
      “Drunken sex is not rape.”

      Heartiste nailed the 2 core reasons above.

      King A,

      1) You have never experienced FRA personally, or experienced it happening to a close friend, and only read about it. Thus you have no experience to draw from other than contrived mental masturbation.

      2) You have no game. You have nothing to offer here at this blog. You are angry at your own life and have had very limited success with women. You have a homely wife. Had you experienced sex with better looking women and possessed the skill set to consistently bed beautiful women you would understand my post and thus inquire further about the details instead of jumping to aimless conclusions.

      Let’s look at your other above comment:
      “No shit. You’re so awesome, such a lothario, piling up beaver pelts and accumulating bedpost notches with your total mastery of game”

      What’s with the anger directed at me? For being there for my best friend and sharing a true story? For augmenting and confirming the merits of the original post from the author?

      “But you need help like a mongoloid kid cleaning up his own mess?”

      No. It’s called friendship.

      “None of these are random strikes of fate, they are trackable like weather patterns, and each can be elided into an advantage. If you need assistance in managing the consequences of your affairs, you need assistance in rudimentary game, where the seeds of these incidents are planted.”

      None of these are random strikes of fate. Huh? Trackable like weather patterns? Um…yah, ok. You stick to that weather pattern theory…(and continue beating off in your brain).

      Your inexperience with gaming women glares out behind your frustrated, maligned and ignorant statements.

      But I’ll give you an opportunity here: Based on your above “trackable like weather patterns” statement. Enlighten us. Share with us some of your tactics and stories that allow one to predict occurrences in FRA while dating women. Back up your tactics with personal experiences.


“Day Bang” Review (Plus Day Game Thoughts)

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on September 20, 2011 at 11:05 pm
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i read the book.

my only complaint is that the approach is kind of like, play dumb.

uh, i’m lost.
uh, is that a good pen?
uh, so whatchya got there a new music fandangle box?

with a doubt i’m an expert on all things electronic, locations, where the fuck i am, what stores are about, how to use gps, etc etc. and ten fold more than some chick.

opening with something that makes me need to have them share info with me that i should already know is incongruent with who i am and who i’ll be later.

i think it’ll reek of bullshit pretty quickly.

then again, haven’t tried it in the field yet either.

[Heartiste: If it helps, you can consider this "playing dumb" effort something akin to vulnerability game.]

  • Ripp
    on September 21, 2011 at 2:11 am
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    I see your point. And like you I am very resourceful and intelligent when it comes to gadgets and mechanical things. Trust me I’ve had the same notions about congruency and using dumb functional openers with chics.

    Where I’m going is that when gaming I actively shut it all off and remember a cardinal rule of women: They are not driven by logic, but emotion. Chances are extremely high she will not call you out later and say “why did you ask for directions when you could have Google mapped it?” If she does, who cares. Say “mines broken?”

    Yesterday I was in the grocery store and I opened a chic with “excuse me, I really need your help with something, do you know the difference between Jam and Jelly?” (while holding a jam and jelly jar and animating along with my words.) 1) who gives a shit. 2) I could have googled it. 3) chics know dumb shit about jelly. 4) the most important thing about jam and jelly is that you cant jelly your cock up a chic’s ass.

Hot Vs Sexy

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A.B. Dada
on September 19, 2011 at 3:11 pm
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I haven’t really called a gal cute, hot, sexy or whatever other than on this site and others like it in a long, long time.

If I spend any time with her, she’s at least cute. If I’m having sex with her, she’s sexy. If I’m doing neither, she’s really not anything but neutral at the best.

As for people on TV or in the media, just google “(name) without makeup” and you really won’t want your dick in any of them. Horrid.

  • Ripp
    on September 20, 2011 at 4:03 am
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    (formerly AlphaAnon)

    Especially in HD.

Overselectivity And Anti-Game: Like Oil And Water

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on September 16, 2011 at 4:29 pm
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What a Satanic whore… pure cunt…

How so?? It is the same as asking a man to ignore female beauty

Despite his riches, sterling character and good manners, hedge fund nerdguy was a nerd to the bone

This has always been my view. The long hours people work in financial markets are mostly due to betaness. Either guys are unable to score non-hookers and fullfill their days facing a Bloomberg terminal, or they married gold-diggers and the less time they spend at home, the lesser the risk of arguments

  • Ripp
    on September 20, 2011 at 5:56 am
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    (Formerly AlphaAnon)

    A man’s job should not/does not define who the man is, and what the man desire’s for himself in life.

    If you find that your job defines some or all of who you are as a man, fuck, I feel sorry for you.

    Further I don’t buy the shit that “wahhh the economy is so bad, wahhh” bullshit! If you don’t like your situation, your job, your life etc….shut the fuck up and take action. Set an objective, plan a strategy and execute tactics to support your change. Opportunity is at your grasp.

    Sure, there are stereo-types. The jew hedge fund manager, the mexican gardener, the japanese sushi chef, the nerd engineer, whatever etc. My point is if you let a job define who you are as a man, you are living to work, and that is being a pussy.

    When I hang out with my bitches and they ask what I do for a living, if I give them an honest answer, I say “I’m in sales.” That’s it. And they never really know what it is I do. When some airport bar asshole asks what kind of sales I do, I say “I sell coloring books to blind children.”

    Work is to pay the fucking bills so you can have the free time to do what you desire. I choose to spend a lot of time reading and applying game because I enjoy sex with a variety of new women. Fuck work.

on September 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm
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Dude, I wouldn’t shed a single for that nerd. He is not on our side.

I worked at a few high tech companies during the days and got a chance to work with nerds quite bit and I’d say a big majority of them are strong supporters of feminism. These are the type of guys you nornmally find at weekend breast cancer cure marathons, rape prevention meetings, etc, etc. I am willing to be that 99% of nerdy guys would be totally disgusted with the content of this blog.

That nerd got what he deserved. It was poetic justice.

  • Jenny
    on September 18, 2011 at 5:49 am
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    WTF is your problem with breast cancer marathons?


    • Kai
      on September 18, 2011 at 11:36 pm
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      The problem is that prostate cancer doesn’t get even half the funding or demonstrations.

      • Firepower
        on September 19, 2011 at 1:44 pm
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        Yep – men are the biggest customers of pro sports, yet still don’t even get those sex-specific cancer bucks when the silly pink shoe season starts.

        [Heartiste: Co-yepped. Breast cancer and prostate cancer kill about the same number of peeps each year (41K for titties, 38K for semen supplier), but breast cancer research gets almost double the gov't funding than prostate cancer (remember kiddies, men are the expendable sex) and if you add in private funding then breast cancer research gets upwards of 12X the money that prostate cancer research gets. I say boycott those stupid fucking pink ribbons until there is a semblance of fairness in the funding distribution channels.
        nothing to see here folks, move along...]

        • Ripp
          on September 20, 2011 at 4:30 am
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          (formerly AlphaAnon)

          There is one value to Breast Cancer events: great for pickup. I don’t mean marching around like an asshole or spending time handing out pamphlets. It probably varies location to location, but where I’m at, young hot bitches volunteer at these things. There is one this weekend that a friend of mine and her bullshit bible study group are going to (they’re all 8S with eat for breakfast asses). And they all party and wear tight slutty clothes.

          Might as well suck on them boobies before they get cancer…

Overselectivity And Anti-Game: Like Oil And Water

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on September 20, 2011 at 5:23 am
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(Formlery AlphaAnon)

I want to point out a possible motivator for googlie-eyes’ cuntified blog rant. I am referencing an OKCupid study done on the response rates that male and female online daters receive.

The main point I’m making is derived from the “Female Messaging & Male Attractiveness Chart”: Un-fucking-believably, the women rate that 80% of men are less attractive than the median attractive male. In my estimation, what this means is that women believe they are ~2 to 3 SMV points higher than the male suitors they are rating. So a female with SMV 4 (our nerd friend above) believes she is ~7 SMV, and can safely stand on her vagina stool and blog about how her date was a dork and how she is better than that.

Further at the macro level, I submit that this “overselectivity” rationalization that women make is symptomatic of the larger problem at hand, and is another scientific data point that supports the notion: western culture is too feminized.

Now after reading Alyssa’s (aka Sloth from the goonies) blog, it seems clear that Finkel nerded himself out. He did let her piss right on his head for being super nerd the champion.

However regardless of the anti-game / no game discussion of Finkel (who really cares now anyway, he’s going out with the playboy slut) it’s clear that overselectivity is rampant among females these days.

A Test Of Your Game: The Judging

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on September 13, 2011 at 8:19 pm
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  • Ripp
    on September 14, 2011 at 4:37 am
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    (formerly AlphaAnon)

on September 13, 2011 at 10:59 pm
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@ Luka;preacher

“I feel like too many people here are too methodical…instinct is greater than method.”

Perhaps. I do agree that honing your instincts and re-wiring your ‘inner game’ is the ultimate level at which to be at. A well refined PUA doesn’t need lines or scripts and can improvise on demand using the environment.

However I still firmly believe that methodology and process are important aspects of game to study for any level. As men we are logical, rational and analytical beings. We like to use the scientific method to collect data, process it to information and apply it so it becomes knowledge. This should be embraced.

‘one has to start somewhere.’ This why I believe the MM is great for beginners. Not memorizing all the crap, but the process. The goal at which is to reach unconscience competence with just “knowing” where you are at in the seduction cycle.

on September 13, 2011 at 11:15 pm
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“MagGirl had begun collecting her stuff and shoving it into a gargantuan canvas bag.”

All women carry these huge bags. I use this as an opener, a playful tease during conversation or on a date, all the time:

“Woh that’s a huge bag, are you having a yard sale?” Depending on compliance you can then peek in the bag and murmur “what is all this crap/do u really need all this?” From here you can go anywhere…after grabbing 6 lip gloss containers and other crap and makeup shit I’ll start askin “why do u need so many, how many sets of LIPS do you have?” (Ignore responsec continue digging in bag) etc. Etc. Or act playfully confused, “I don’t understand what this is for?

Very fun and playful gambit. Used it today on a date when the waitress came up to the table, had both women laughing…

Overgaming, Part 2

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on September 12, 2011 at 5:23 pm
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The PUA wannabees who become too cocky are overwhelmed with the asshole concept. They hear that bad boys have it all, so they act in the worst possible ways they can imagine.
They simply forget the most important rule :”be charming”. Yes, be fucking charming because that’s the foundation of any seduction process.
The pussyhound assholes are charming assholes. They use their assholery with parcimony and they know how to mindfuck a girl. Mindfucking requires ruthlessness, charm and creativity.
That’s why i’m still on the pua blogs. Being an asshole is easy, I get it. The other aspects need regular updates.

  • AlphaAnon
    on September 13, 2011 at 1:08 am
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    Agree. Its the same thing that happens when AFCs get the idea that being alpha is being an asshole to everyone, and that will help them bang chics.

    Agree, being an asshole is very easy. And is useful from time to time, but being an asshole ball the time is not alpha, nor effective pu strategy.

Hillary Clinton Is Wrong: It Doesn’t Take A Village To Raise A Child

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on September 10, 2011 at 8:28 pm
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*Off topic

Female lion kills male lion mate in jealousy over younger female lion.

Leaving Her Better Than You Found Her? Not Likely

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on September 9, 2011 at 5:20 pm
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Amazing how women (and especially betas) can not grasp the realization that “game” or the “crimson arts”, is deadly to those who know not how to wield it’s powers. Let alone protect themselves from the psychological ramifications of being manipulated. Thanks for these posts, it keeps a man strategically on point when dueling/dealing with the most vividly captivating, viciously cunning and tantalizingly creature placed on Earth: Woman. Men need to understand that relationships within the context of our day and age have unfortunately under gone a degeneration. Men desiring LTR’s are cautioned to sparringly place any similitude of what is perceived as love into these unpredictable creatures. Fail not to use any conceivable method to maintain or enhance your level of power within a relationship. IT’S A DIRTY GAME. PLAY OR BE PLAYED!

  • carolyn
    on September 9, 2011 at 9:19 pm
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    oh please. is it so bad for a guy? yeah….maybe, having read the archives here, countering my assumption that it’s a man’s world. at my advanced sexually irrelevant age (thank god!) when i should have known better the idea that men held all the cards still prevailed in my head. who knew!

    what a miserable world we’ve created. the 50′s environment with all its hypocrisy was superior. a terrible choice for idealists: their desired scenario isn’t an option, rather the lesser of two evils.

    i tel my daughters to be skeptical of the delusional thinking out there and start looking for a life partner pronto. i tell my boys the same come to think of it.

    • AlphaAnon
      on September 10, 2011 at 4:53 pm
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      “oh please. is it so bad for a guy? yeah….maybe, having read the archives here,…”

      For beta’s with no knowledge of game that yearn to have an LTR with a young, healthy woman of SMV 8 , it truly is.

      For an aspiring to well refined alpha it is only a series of challenges, some may be more easily overcome than others.

on September 9, 2011 at 5:47 pm
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I’ll claim credit for being the first person in this ‘sphere to articulate this insight. A few years ago I wrote that “Mystery’s directive to leave them better than you found them is a paradox” , or something like that.

In writing that, Mystery was either padding his book with feminist-pacifying feel-goodism, or he was just writing a great book with grounbreaking analysis on the tactical level but not one that looks at female nature more insightfully than necessary for his subject-matter.

  • walawala
    on September 9, 2011 at 11:10 pm
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    The fact that we’re even talking about this and feel even a tinge of guilt about having done this destroys the feminist myth that all men are ruthless players who pump and dump.

    Women meantime have no guilt whatsoever when they dump/LJBF, or lose attraction for a guy.

    Perhaps the point of this post is to destroy the rationalizing or myth that there’s a nice way of leaving. There isn’t.

    But whether men should feel guilt about it is another story.

    This blog is filled with questions and strategies for re-igniting attraction from a flagging relationship.

    Also, I’ve been in situations where when I’ve dumped a girl and felt bad about it…the girl actually gets more angry…it’s like being indecisive or beta.

    Invariably, if you dump a girl you’ve gamed properly she will always come back or make overtures to meet up again.

    • AlphaAnon
      on September 10, 2011 at 6:39 pm
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      Agree with points made.

      Whenever I feel “bad” or have “pangs of guilt” [ladies we are human, we do have emotional response] I go through some very quick or even more involved state change exercises.

      I just had to dump this very cute solid 8 which I’ve been hanging out with (aka banging ruthlessly) for the past month. Long story short, she just got so annoying- calling/txting all the time. She is devestated. Long voice mails of crying, how much she likes me etc…

      While I’ve had some pangs of guilt because I see I’ve truly hurt someone, I simply recall episodes of my prior beta behavior where I’ve been dumped by a cheating gf, or used in orbit etc. And when those recalled feelings emerge it easily washes away my guilt.

      Truth is: 1) I have other options 2) her overly needy calling/txting has killed my attraction to her 3) I’ve repeatedly accomplished my sexual agenda with her

      Am I leaving her better off than I found her? Don’t care. Think she ever gave a shit about the betas that she used for attention and LJBF’d, no she didn’t. And I know this because I was the guy giving her multiple orgasms while these clowns were txting/calling her. The best was when she rolled over in my bed naked to check her phone after sex. With spots of my cum dried up on her face she shows me the txt thread and says “why does [beta guy #2] keep txting me? I haven’t responded in 2 days.” Instead of just not responding or maybe telling him the truth that she’s seeing someone, she replys and further spins the small talk orbiter cycle. Not even an inkling of thought or care about this poor schlub. Only serving her selfish emotionally disturbed need for male attention and validation.

greatbooksformen GBFM
on September 10, 2011 at 1:14 pm
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wonce upon a time mens wents 2 church 2 find a good wownenez lzozlzlzloz to be a wife and mother and faithful honor cherish lzozlzzozlolzozlz

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they will divorce the ebetaa beta soon and take all his money aluimonies to funde their asscocking routine that they they so dearly miss gettig asscoekd by alphas lzozlzlzl and the central bankers set up the dirvorce courrts to support assocking good betamen in divorce docurt so they have to fund tehir bernnakified wife getetinga ssosoekcied by tucker max rhymes iwth godlamn szax who secrteely tapes it while the eneooncsn weekly standadrdth weekl;y standardtdhe weekly standadrdtdt enneociong charlrlrotete allen sings the praises of the butthexual asscokcing eoneoenc heroes, ignoring the better men bleeding to death i the enocns wars on forenightn shoeres no lzozozllzoling.

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cocke boottle

in the alley

with splooge form ten men

dripping off it

would you drink outta that coke bottle as the semen oozes down the sides? lzozlolzlz

so why would you buy a modern chick dinner, just so you could taste the semen on her lips? lzozozolzloz

  • AlphaAnon
    on September 12, 2011 at 7:39 am
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    When I first joined here about 2 months ago I wasn’t able read GBFM’s posts. However as time has passed I can now clearly interpret his hieroglyphics.

    It’s just like when Neo suddenly is able to view the matrix.

    “Then you’ll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.”

    Lozzzlzozllzlzozl de chiccks lika dee lottsa cockaqss

Leaving Her Better Than You Found Her? Not Likely

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on September 10, 2011 at 9:46 pm
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Recently, I’ve noticed a change where people are starting to question some of these old seduction maxims that have been put out there by the “master PUAs.” I’m glad that you decided to point out this absurdity.

You just confirmed my longstanding assertion that pickup is unethical. Ethics involves considering other people’s interests as well as your own. The only way that professional pickup artists can convince themselves that their behavior is ethical is to believe that they are performing some sort of “service” to women that leaves them better off – which, as you stated, clearly is not true. Instead, you call it as it is – the seduction community’s tactics are meant to make practitioners more attractive to women, at the expense of other men and women.

Consider a woman who never dates what pickup artists call an “alpha” male, and instead dates the stereotypical “nice” guys who treats her well. Can you really say that she is unhappy in that case? I suggest that she is happier, for the same reason that you and I aren’t dissatisfied that we don’t own personal jets. We have never had enough money to fly in personal jets, so we don’t know what it is like. The only people who are disappointed in not being able to fly in personal jets are people who owned them and lost their fortunes.

The situation where a woman dates beta males only is better for everyone involved. Even if she is only 95% as happy as a woman who manages to permanently snag alpha males, she will still be very happy – and the beta males who aren’t experienced enough to date many women will also be happy. Perhaps that’s why that situation is romanticized in television shows in movies – because it is the best possible outcome for everyone (except the few hundred or so self-proclaimed master pickup artists who mess with their minds).

  • AlphaAnon
    on September 12, 2011 at 8:50 am
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    Red herring.

    The claim you are making that Game is unethical based on this post’s content and your above premises doesn’t present a sound argument. The hasty generalizations regarding what makes a particular group happy crossed with the lame business jet analogy, kettle logic…fallacy city must have had a clearence sale.

    Further the interpretation about what is “ethical” will vary person to person, culture to culture over time and will always be up for debate.

    The intent of this post IMO was to refute the the weak tag line of “leave them better then you found them” with some insight about how it most likely doesn’t turn out that way. Just re-read the title.

    As some of the other valuable contributers here have mentioned in their replies, sometimes you do leave them better than you found them. He is just pointing out that its ‘not likely’.

    Lastly your skewed language such as “pickup artists who mess with their minds” shows your anger, frustration and ignorance of the overall subject matter. Yet again.

    Why do you post here?


The Crux Of The Matter

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on September 4, 2011 at 5:09 pm
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This is why historically women have “tricked” men into marriage while in their physical prime. By the time her beauty fades, he’s stuck with a family and reluctant to get out of it just because of his horny desires. He cheats on the side instead. These days, women are trying to get married AFTER their prime, with predictably laughable results.

  • Roosh V
    on September 4, 2011 at 7:26 pm
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    You say it’s laughable Roosh but why would they not have as many sex partners as possible before getting married instead of marrying one guy and then having him cheat on her later in life?

    • AlphaAnon
      on September 4, 2011 at 8:41 pm
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      1) women aren’t inherently logical enough or contain the foresight capacity to think of a gratification strategy as such
      2) women aren’t hard wired for sexual conquesting
      3) women are hard wired to want to find a ‘provider’ and poop out kids

      I’m not claiming that women “don’t want to have fun” (to use their watered down vernacular) in their sex prime years, but I’m claiming that the masses of women will eventually succumb to their yearning to “pumpin’ out a unit” (credit george carlin :) . Worrying about their attractiveness to their hubby at 10 or whatever years out and whether he will/can cheat on her at that time I surely doubt will be on their mind.

      If there was an 8 women in her sexual prime that sat down when she was 20 and created a strategy like:
      1) fuck 100 men before age 25
      2) accomplish sex tasks, A through Z, including DVDA
      3) move away from so. California to utah.
      4) marry beta guy with good income
      5) poop out 4 kids, raise family, get fat and not care about hubby
      [Hubby starts cheating]
      6) divorce hubby, take half of assets
      7) use hubby money to get lipo, tummy tuck, face lift, boob job
      8) bang young male betas, DVDA, laugh that ex hubby is footing the bill

      …lol…wouldn’t you love to meet her?

on September 4, 2011 at 6:35 pm
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Whilst I agree that looks are of supreme importance, there are other things that most men take into account as well:

* can she cook and clean?
* is she feminine?
* would she/does she make a good mother?
* is she a generally amicable person?

There is no point in having a 10/10 missus, only to come home and find out she’s eaten your kids. That would kind of ruin the fun. What I have listed above are other things you might take pride in your woman for.

Sure, it’s cool to tell your buddies down the pub about her banging body and outrageous sex drive. However, it’s also cool when your buddies meet her and say ‘bro, you’ve met yourself a keeper.’

Of course a huge amount of bias is always going to be placed on looks. I do it myself, and this is unlikely to ever change, but at the same time it is foolish to ignore other positive aspects of women.

  • Anon
    on September 4, 2011 at 6:49 pm
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    Sexual history is also eminently important. You don’t want to marry a reformed slut. A woman who has banged dozens of random dudes has damaged her ability to bond with a man.
    And also, since marriage in the west is such a raw deal for men, you have to consider her family history. Was she brought up in a stable home, with non-divorced parents, or does she come from a monoparental family? You don’t wanna take ANY risks when it comes to marriage.
    Finally, having kids is the only valid reason of getting married. If you don’t feel the need to have babies, don’t fucking get married.

    • AlphaAnon
      on September 4, 2011 at 8:49 pm
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      100% good post.

      ” Finally, having kids is the only valid reason of getting married. If you don’t feel the need to have babies, don’t fucking get married.”


on September 4, 2011 at 7:55 pm
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Interesting insights here. I had an arguement with the girl I’m seeing over…of all things, the fact we went to dinner, I had arrived first and had a drink so asked her what she wanted.

She turned to me and said “a water.”

I looked at her and said: “Don’t tell me, tell the guy with the apron…”

She insisted that “you’re the man, you should take care of me….”

“What are you my daughter? You can’t order a drink, what if I wasn’t here?”

As she escalated this, I agreed and amplified and that made her laugh.

But afterwards, two things happened.

1) I was really turned off
2) She was more accommodating

But I think to myself, why be with someone who is constantly shit-testing and confronting?

I have options…

I volunteer at an organization. Women who come out are immediately attracted by this. The fact a guy is putting in his own time to do something is a way of DHVing.

  • Anonymous
    on September 4, 2011 at 8:06 pm
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    You, like so many men on this blog, have once again inadvertently revealed your low breeding.

    • AlphaAnon
      on September 4, 2011 at 9:02 pm
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      You, like the few ass clowns that pop up once and a while and troll this blog, have once again inadvertently revealed your sad angry life.


Alpha Delivery

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on September 3, 2011 at 5:30 am
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Excellent post.

Non verbal communication (appearance, voice tonality/inflection, body language) is essential to being alpha and consistently meeting/attracting/seducing hot women.

Good resources:
*Body Language Secrets, R. Don Steele
*Reading People, Jo-Ellan Dimitrius
(The above link is an awesome quick reference guide)

When at bar/club night venue, notice how all the beta schlubs will keep their glass up by their chest and take a sip and nod like fool after anything the chic says. Totally communicates betaness. Wouldn’t matter how good looking the guy was or what the content of the conversation was…it’s gunna be a short exchange.

When in a comfortable, relaxed state, projecting a solid frame and alpha non verbal…’what’ you say is just food for her front brain to chew on; while your sub-communication is dropping the love hammer up her hind brain mud trail.

I believe it was another recent post here at CH, yet a great suggestion. It went something like: “Stare laser focused at one of her eyes and while she is talking imagine yourself pounding her wet hole up against the wall…” err something like that…

@Beta and Proud: BEAT IT NERD!

on September 3, 2011 at 6:18 pm
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“But my issue with the Horse Opener had more to do with the idea of foisting it on unready newbs in unwelcoming circumstances.”

It’s not supposed to be for total newbies, but that particular opener is BradP’s big claim to fame so it’s been spread around like crazy and newbies stumble onto it thinking it’s a magic opener the way a child stumbles onto his dad’s gun and plays with it because it wasn’t locked up. That same child will be able to handle the gun properly when it grows up.

“It’d be best to teach these guys the right nonverbal cues with a much simpler opener that won’t have them straining to recall all the details or rushing to get the words out and then crashing and burning in DLV dorkhell.”

That’s the direction the PUA community is heading now, focus on the internals and subcommunication instead of the externals. The external method still works and gets you to the same place, it’s just a lot more mental work to memorize a long opener than to go in with the advice of “just be cool”.

Two things to consider with long complicated openers though:

1) It gives you a ton of reference points to improve on. Horse Guy in that gym story can go back home and say “ok I lost her after this part of the story, what did I do there that BradP doesn’t do? Oh, okay, I was rushing it, next time I’ll make a mental note to slow it down…why does slowing down make a difference anyway?” and study that. Or if he runs the opener twice and one time it goes over awesome and the next it bombs he can look at it and go “I said the EXACT same words both times, but the results were way different…so what was I doing, thinking, feeling, speaking, etc. that was different between the two times because THAT’S where I should be focusing.

2) New guys tend to over-think. Often they’re computer nerds. As they’re talking to a girl they’re over-thinking everything and talking themselves out of continuing. Giving them something to occupy their brain keeps them from doubting themselves because they’re thinking “trust the opener, just keep talking, the punchline is coming” and they stick in a little longer than they would have if they were just going up and saying “Hi……..umm…” and they learn to deal with a little social pressure, they learn girls aren’t super scary and getting shot down isn’t a big deal, etc.

I think these days guys are looking for a quick guaranteed move where they can leap out of the shadows, say a magic line, have it work on the first go, and get the girl, but that’s like trying to become a boxer without taking a few punches in the ring on your way.

“Based on YaReally’s checklist, I can easily imagine how the aspiring PUA in the failed Horse Opener attempt blew his shot.”

Yep. You nailed them all. The girl in the story will just see him as “scattered” or “weird” and only remembers the vibe of the interaction, not the details of what he was saying, because his subcommunications were fucking him up from the start and drowning out anything he was saying. But when you know what to look for, even just from her description of the interaction you can tell where the guy went wrong and form a pretty accurate visual of how it probably went down.

Hot girls have amazing frame control, they develop it because the world works differently for them while they’re young and hot:

Same way the former high school jock who was always good with girls has amazing frame control:

Your chick-friend had better frame control than the guy approaching her, and she would never be able to articulate that because she didn’t consciously develop it.

  • AlphaAnon
    on September 3, 2011 at 10:12 pm
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    Good post. I agree there is much learning value when reflecting upon a failed long opener, and even more value in comparison with a successful long opener.

    “I think these days guys are looking for a quick guaranteed move where they can leap out of the shadows, say a magic line, have it work on the first go, and get the girl, but that’s like trying to become a boxer without taking a few punches in the ring on your way.”

    In my view there always was and there will always be instant gratification seekers. I see it as a sign of general ignorance, immaturity and poor learning skills. Setting the instant gratification frame on almost anything is recipe for dissapointment. One must roll with the punches before being able to throw some good ones.

    “Hot girls have amazing frame control, they develop it because the world works differently for them while they’re young and hot:”

    So true. 2 things:
    1) So gratifying when you topple over their frame with your dominant frame. Sometimes it just takes a swift and simple verbal ninja kick: DHV/pedestal remove combo. After reciept of a hot chic snubb I always like this response: [pregnant pause/stare down,turn head to her friend and point to target “she always like this?…what did you feed her before you guys came out?” Sometimes all you need is the first part. Credit to Mystery on this one (first part).
    2)when you encounter a past-their-prime hot girl and they try the same attitude, then you ninja kick their pedestal and watch them fall on the floor and ooze around in approval seek mode. They fall pretty hard.

Andrew Medina
on September 4, 2011 at 10:41 am
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Hey , how do you feel about the SimplePickup guys?

They seem to rock a very goofy laid back approach.

  • AlphaAnon
    on September 4, 2011 at 4:09 pm
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    Nickelodeon for pu.

Neil Hansen
on September 4, 2011 at 11:01 am
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  • AlphaAnon
    on September 4, 2011 at 4:39 pm
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    Disagree. A neg is not a fashion article. As if ‘so many guys are doing it these days’ that women will recognize it and respond “omg, is that a neg?, that’s so 2004 pua tactic…omg.”

    The challenge with a neg is really within the gamer himself and his application of it.
    1) Having the frame that you need to bring her value ‘down’ to yours by negging is not helpful. Rather, as stated above, have an objective. Sometimes a quick neg jab to the ribs is necessary so you can disarm her (IOD,disqualify yourself as hitting on her, etc.) and have a positive exchange.
    2) A neg is not an insult.
    3) The proper response to a neg is laughter.

    I think the notion that you ‘have to neg with every exchange’ is what’s outdated. Sometimes they are just not needed.

on September 4, 2011 at 12:38 pm
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I beseech Chateau Heartiste to write a book (or perhaps various volumes of books concerning game). Imagine not only the millions of relationships and marriages you could help but the money that you would make. I would very much appreciate your input.

  • AlphaAnon
    on September 4, 2011 at 4:55 pm
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    Had this thought myself.

    On one hand it’d be an amazing encyclopedia of knowledge and a reading I would buy in hardback.

    On the otherhand I feel it would devalue CH and pigeon hole him into just another PUA derivative now pushing a commercial angle.

    Kinda like this dude: while there is much good info he writes, I always cringe at the auto generated footer at the bottom of his posts when it says: “if you found this post helpful, then buy my book blah blah…”

    However admittedly, if CH published a book, fuck ya I’d buy it…as opposed to torrenting it…


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on September 1, 2011 at 5:41 pm
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When do we get to analyze preferences universally preferred by women in male anatomy?!

  • AlphaAnon
    on September 2, 2011 at 4:17 am
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    Overstated but will happily reinforce: who cares what women prefer.

    Or to be more accurate: who cares what women “say” or “think” they prefer.

Tall Girl
on September 1, 2011 at 11:26 pm
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I’m tall and slim with DD breasts and a small (flat) butt. Is there any hope for me?

  • AlphaAnon
    on September 2, 2011 at 4:41 am
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    Tits on a stick. Better than land beast. And to add to Mr. notnot’s eloquent yet ‘fruitfull’ suggestion: swallow. (Pun intended)