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on April 25th, 2016 at 3:20 am
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Shoe0nHead doing her part to spread the good word:

Regardless of what you think of Sargon, Armored Skeptic, or some of the weirdos she’s linking, or her intentions or her relationship, she’s sending her viewers out toward other YouTubers who are questioning the narrative and confronting the FI which is what helps people realize there are others that have the same questions they’ve had behind closed doors.

I said here way back when that Manosphere(MRA? MGTOW? Can’t remember) dude went on the news without his face showing and they tooled him that you can’t beat these people directly, the way to win is to make clear logical concise points that the husband passing by in the background of his wife talking about what a misogynist the speaker is, will hear and think “but they make a good point…” will go to Google and type that guy’s name in or look for more information on what he was talking about and discover this underground pushback.

A lot of her viewers are going to be people still plugged in and not ready for an hour talk on Hypergamy or Sandman’s robotic rants or to listen to some nasally balding ginger PUA ranting about bar sluts or read my 10 page screeds, but they’re at least going to discover that “hey, those feelings you’ve had that something is “off”? Other people have had that feeling too, and here they are with a bunch of videos articulating the things you’ve been thinking about” and find other YouTubers and blogs and eventually find their way to sites like TRM down the road.

The big problem, of course, is that those of us who learn about the red pill tend to avoid popping out babies till we’re ready to retire, while Bob Blue Pill is guilted into marriage in his mid-20s and is spitting kids out (or getting secretly cuckolded and raising someone else’s kids) and teaching them Blue Pill shit lol

Everyone knows I think women in the community hold back progress, but that’s really just women spouting wrong shit (usually solipsistic anecdotes and shit they know will get a rise out of everyone) and holding up and side-tracking actual discussion (like the ones we have drop by here, and I’m still waiting on evidence that Karen was Shoe ’cause I’m skeptical about that). As long as a girl is promoting the right message it’s all good to me. The only reason I entered the Manosphere was to correct shit the big guys were saying when they crossed into territory where they were accidentally misrepresenting PUA stuff or had a misunderstanding of certain concepts. Like 99% of what Rollo talks about I’m cool with, I only push back on certain issues where we disagree. Right now we just need men to get off the plantation, they can be guided down (or discover) healthier paths down the road.

And the reality is Shoe’s vid has 20k views of random people unplugging or close to unplugging in like one day at the time I’m posting this, and that Hypergamy talk has 2k views of the already converted. Lauren Southern’s vids get 50k views and go viral for 700+k views. Tits help lol Sargon’s regularly getting 150k+ views, these people all grabbed huge audiences from that GamerGate mess and are doing a LOT for helping turn the tide (on the Internet at least). None of US is going to put out videos with our name and face and we aren’t cute girls etc, so these Red Pill Lite YouTubers are important.

What we need is for Shoe0nHead and Sargon and these people making waves to recommend people grab a copy of Rollo’s books. THAT shit would make a difference. How about shooting some free copies to Shoe & Skeptic (since as a couple if one of them reads it they’re likely to influence the other into reading it) and Sargon (dude is pretty Blue Pill but logical and Rollo’s writing isn’t bitter angry Manosphere dribble) etc.

I don’t agree with everything these guys say, and I’m sure they think MGTOWs are retarded and make fun of PUAs and shit, but 90% of their message is on point and they’re pointing people down paths that will get them to stumble across solid red pill content that clears those missing parts up.

And even if those viewers never think Hypergamy is real, they’ll at least know the fucking wage gap is a myth lol

23k now, just reloaded lol FEMALE PRIVILEGE!!!


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on April 25th, 2016 at 3:20 am
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Shoe0nHead doing her part to spread the good word:

Regardless of what you think of Sargon, Armored Skeptic, or some of the weirdos she’s linking, or her intentions or her relationship, she’s sending her viewers out toward other YouTubers who are questioning the narrative and confronting the FI which is what helps people realize there are others that have the same questions they’ve had behind closed doors.

I said here way back when that Manosphere(MRA? MGTOW? Can’t remember) dude went on the news without his face showing and they tooled him that you can’t beat these people directly, the way to win is to make clear logical concise points that the husband passing by in the background of his wife talking about what a misogynist the speaker is, will hear and think “but they make a good point…” will go to Google and type that guy’s name in or look for more information on what he was talking about and discover this underground pushback.

A lot of her viewers are going to be people still plugged in and not ready for an hour talk on Hypergamy or Sandman’s robotic rants or to listen to some nasally balding ginger PUA ranting about bar sluts or read my 10 page screeds, but they’re at least going to discover that “hey, those feelings you’ve had that something is “off”? Other people have had that feeling too, and here they are with a bunch of videos articulating the things you’ve been thinking about” and find other YouTubers and blogs and eventually find their way to sites like TRM down the road.

The big problem, of course, is that those of us who learn about the red pill tend to avoid popping out babies till we’re ready to retire, while Bob Blue Pill is guilted into marriage in his mid-20s and is spitting kids out (or getting secretly cuckolded and raising someone else’s kids) and teaching them Blue Pill shit lol

Everyone knows I think women in the community hold back progress, but that’s really just women spouting wrong shit (usually solipsistic anecdotes and shit they know will get a rise out of everyone) and holding up and side-tracking actual discussion (like the ones we have drop by here, and I’m still waiting on evidence that Karen was Shoe ’cause I’m skeptical about that). As long as a girl is promoting the right message it’s all good to me. The only reason I entered the Manosphere was to correct shit the big guys were saying when they crossed into territory where they were accidentally misrepresenting PUA stuff or had a misunderstanding of certain concepts. Like 99% of what Rollo talks about I’m cool with, I only push back on certain issues where we disagree. Right now we just need men to get off the plantation, they can be guided down (or discover) healthier paths down the road.

And the reality is Shoe’s vid has 20k views of random people unplugging or close to unplugging in like one day at the time I’m posting this, and that Hypergamy talk has 2k views of the already converted. Lauren Southern’s vids get 50k views and go viral for 700+k views. Tits help lol Sargon’s regularly getting 150k+ views, these people all grabbed huge audiences from that GamerGate mess and are doing a LOT for helping turn the tide (on the Internet at least). None of US is going to put out videos with our name and face and we aren’t cute girls etc, so these Red Pill Lite YouTubers are important.

What we need is for Shoe0nHead and Sargon and these people making waves to recommend people grab a copy of Rollo’s books. THAT shit would make a difference. How about shooting some free copies to Shoe & Skeptic (since as a couple if one of them reads it they’re likely to influence the other into reading it) and Sargon (dude is pretty Blue Pill but logical and Rollo’s writing isn’t bitter angry Manosphere dribble) etc.

I don’t agree with everything these guys say, and I’m sure they think MGTOWs are retarded and make fun of PUAs and shit, but 90% of their message is on point and they’re pointing people down paths that will get them to stumble across solid red pill content that clears those missing parts up.

And even if those viewers never think Hypergamy is real, they’ll at least know the fucking wage gap is a myth lol

23k now, just reloaded lol FEMALE PRIVILEGE!!!


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on April 25th, 2016 at 3:24 am
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oops brain fart not sure if I hit post or not. Rollo delete the first one of these if there’s two lol:

Shoe0nHead doing her part to spread the good word:

Regardless of what you think of Sargon, Armored Skeptic, or some of the weirdos she’s linking, or her intentions or her relationship, she’s sending her viewers out toward other YouTubers who are questioning the narrative and confronting the FI which is what helps people realize there are others that have the same questions they’ve had behind closed doors.

I said here way back when that Manosphere(MRA? MGTOW? Can’t remember) dude went on the news without his face showing and they tooled him that you can’t beat these people directly, the way to win is to make clear logical concise points that the husband passing by in the background of his wife talking about what a misogynist the speaker is, will hear and think “but they make a good point…” will go to Google and type that guy’s name in or look for more information on what he was talking about and discover this underground pushback.

A lot of her viewers are going to be people still plugged in and not ready for an hour talk on Hypergamy or Sandman’s robotic rants or to listen to some nasally balding ginger PUA ranting about bar sluts or read my 10 page screeds, but they’re at least going to discover that “hey, those feelings you’ve had that something is “off”? Other people have had that feeling too, and here they are with a bunch of videos articulating the things you’ve been thinking about” and find other YouTubers and blogs and eventually find their way to sites like TRM down the road.

The big problem, of course, is that those of us who learn about the red pill tend to avoid popping out babies till we’re ready to retire, while Bob Blue Pill is guilted into marriage in his mid-20s and is spitting kids out (or getting secretly cuckolded and raising someone else’s kids) and teaching them Blue Pill shit lol

Everyone knows I think women in the community hold back progress, but that’s really just women spouting wrong shit (usually solipsistic anecdotes and shit they know will get a rise out of everyone) and holding up and side-tracking actual discussion (like the ones we have drop by here, and I’m still waiting on evidence that Karen was Shoe ’cause I’m skeptical about that). As long as a girl is promoting the right message it’s all good to me. The only reason I entered the Manosphere was to correct shit the big guys were saying when they crossed into territory where they were accidentally misrepresenting PUA stuff or had a misunderstanding of certain concepts. Like 99% of what Rollo talks about I’m cool with, I only push back on certain issues where we disagree. Right now we just need men to get off the plantation, they can be guided down (or discover) healthier paths down the road.

And the reality is Shoe’s vid has 20k views of random people unplugging or close to unplugging in like one day at the time I’m posting this, and that Hypergamy talk has 2k views of the already converted. Lauren Southern’s vids get 50k views and go viral for 700+k views. Tits help lol Sargon’s regularly getting 150k+ views, these people all grabbed huge audiences from that GamerGate mess and are doing a LOT for helping turn the tide (on the Internet at least) especially in the younger upcoming generation that doesn’t want to listen to us old fucks whining. None of US is going to put out videos with our name and face and we aren’t cute girls etc, so these Red Pill Lite YouTubers are important.

What we need is for Shoe0nHead and Sargon and these people making waves to recommend people grab a copy of Rollo’s books. THAT shit would make a difference. How about shooting some free copies to Shoe & Skeptic (since as a couple if one of them reads it they’re likely to influence the other into reading it) and Sargon (dude is pretty Blue Pill but logical and Rollo’s writing isn’t bitter angry Manosphere dribble) etc.

I don’t agree with everything these guys say, and I’m sure they think MGTOWs are retarded and make fun of PUAs and shit, but 90% of their message is on point and they’re pointing people down paths that will get them to stumble across solid red pill content that clears those missing parts up.

And even if those viewers never think Hypergamy is real, they’ll at least know the fucking wage gap is a myth lol

23k now, just reloaded lol FEMALE PRIVILEGE!!!


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YaReally
on April 25th, 2016 at 3:24 am
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oops brain fart not sure if I hit post or not. Rollo delete the first one of these if there’s two lol:

Shoe0nHead doing her part to spread the good word:

Regardless of what you think of Sargon, Armored Skeptic, or some of the weirdos she’s linking, or her intentions or her relationship, she’s sending her viewers out toward other YouTubers who are questioning the narrative and confronting the FI which is what helps people realize there are others that have the same questions they’ve had behind closed doors.

I said here way back when that Manosphere(MRA? MGTOW? Can’t remember) dude went on the news without his face showing and they tooled him that you can’t beat these people directly, the way to win is to make clear logical concise points that the husband passing by in the background of his wife talking about what a misogynist the speaker is, will hear and think “but they make a good point…” will go to Google and type that guy’s name in or look for more information on what he was talking about and discover this underground pushback.

A lot of her viewers are going to be people still plugged in and not ready for an hour talk on Hypergamy or Sandman’s robotic rants or to listen to some nasally balding ginger PUA ranting about bar sluts or read my 10 page screeds, but they’re at least going to discover that “hey, those feelings you’ve had that something is “off”? Other people have had that feeling too, and here they are with a bunch of videos articulating the things you’ve been thinking about” and find other YouTubers and blogs and eventually find their way to sites like TRM down the road.

The big problem, of course, is that those of us who learn about the red pill tend to avoid popping out babies till we’re ready to retire, while Bob Blue Pill is guilted into marriage in his mid-20s and is spitting kids out (or getting secretly cuckolded and raising someone else’s kids) and teaching them Blue Pill shit lol

Everyone knows I think women in the community hold back progress, but that’s really just women spouting wrong shit (usually solipsistic anecdotes and shit they know will get a rise out of everyone) and holding up and side-tracking actual discussion (like the ones we have drop by here, and I’m still waiting on evidence that Karen was Shoe ’cause I’m skeptical about that). As long as a girl is promoting the right message it’s all good to me. The only reason I entered the Manosphere was to correct shit the big guys were saying when they crossed into territory where they were accidentally misrepresenting PUA stuff or had a misunderstanding of certain concepts. Like 99% of what Rollo talks about I’m cool with, I only push back on certain issues where we disagree. Right now we just need men to get off the plantation, they can be guided down (or discover) healthier paths down the road.

And the reality is Shoe’s vid has 20k views of random people unplugging or close to unplugging in like one day at the time I’m posting this, and that Hypergamy talk has 2k views of the already converted. Lauren Southern’s vids get 50k views and go viral for 700+k views. Tits help lol Sargon’s regularly getting 150k+ views, these people all grabbed huge audiences from that GamerGate mess and are doing a LOT for helping turn the tide (on the Internet at least) especially in the younger upcoming generation that doesn’t want to listen to us old fucks whining. None of US is going to put out videos with our name and face and we aren’t cute girls etc, so these Red Pill Lite YouTubers are important.

What we need is for Shoe0nHead and Sargon and these people making waves to recommend people grab a copy of Rollo’s books. THAT shit would make a difference. How about shooting some free copies to Shoe & Skeptic (since as a couple if one of them reads it they’re likely to influence the other into reading it) and Sargon (dude is pretty Blue Pill but logical and Rollo’s writing isn’t bitter angry Manosphere dribble) etc.

I don’t agree with everything these guys say, and I’m sure they think MGTOWs are retarded and make fun of PUAs and shit, but 90% of their message is on point and they’re pointing people down paths that will get them to stumble across solid red pill content that clears those missing parts up.

And even if those viewers never think Hypergamy is real, they’ll at least know the fucking wage gap is a myth lol

23k now, just reloaded lol FEMALE PRIVILEGE!!!


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on April 25th, 2016 at 6:01 am
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Fucking hard lolz:

https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditoftheday/comments/4g88p8/april_24th_2016_rtheredpill_a_look_at_what/

The Red Pill subreddit makes subreddit of the day and mass triggering ensues. So much salt.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4g8jhq/rtheredpill_is_subreddit_of_the_day/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4g8j0l/welcome_to_the_red_pill_what_are_we_about/

With beautiful timing too, with their theory weekend, the whole frontpage of it is all just sage wisdom and classic articles from Rollo etc


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on April 25th, 2016 at 6:01 am
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Fucking hard lolz:

https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditoftheday/comments/4g88p8/april_24th_2016_rtheredpill_a_look_at_what/

The Red Pill subreddit makes subreddit of the day and mass triggering ensues. So much salt.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4g8jhq/rtheredpill_is_subreddit_of_the_day/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4g8j0l/welcome_to_the_red_pill_what_are_we_about/

With beautiful timing too, with their theory weekend, the whole frontpage of it is all just sage wisdom and classic articles from Rollo etc


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YaReally
on April 25th, 2016 at 8:36 am
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@Rollo
Plz approve my Shoe post thx People are fighting feminism outside the Manosphere with way more reach than most Red Pill’ers, they just aren’t doing it under the label Manosphere, MGTOW, PUA, Red Pill, etc

But people are fighting back. The constantly closed comment sections on YouTube vids and mainstream articles that close because swarms of people fill them with red pill rebuttals is glorious. That didn’t happen in the past. That shit is progress, you just have to actually be paying attention to the current/next generation’s online culture shift instead of reading a few Manosphere blogs, to notice it. Slow & steady.


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@Rollo
Plz approve my Shoe post thx People are fighting feminism outside the Manosphere with way more reach than most Red Pill’ers, they just aren’t doing it under the label Manosphere, MGTOW, PUA, Red Pill, etc

But people are fighting back. The constantly closed comment sections on YouTube vids and mainstream articles that close because swarms of people fill them with red pill rebuttals is glorious. That didn’t happen in the past. That shit is progress, you just have to actually be paying attention to the current/next generation’s online culture shift instead of reading a few Manosphere blogs, to notice it. Slow & steady.


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on April 26th, 2016 at 12:33 am
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@Culum
“Any tips or thoughts on how to work things socially to maximise results?”

Same shit. Spread value, open people, introduce them to eachother, ask “how do you know eachother?”, be honest/congruent. Have business cards or whatever handy so they have an easy way to get in touch with you or be prepared to take theirs ’cause they’ll probably close YOU (old business dudes always want to give me their business cards lol). Easy stuff don’t stress it, just don’t get hammered and be social. These people have value to you because you want something from them, but understand that social skills are valuable to “normies” because they rarely see someone with them. Befriend the cute staff girls serving the conference if you can and introduce these old dudes to them if you get the chance. You are a king in this environment in terms of social skills compared to them, the only thing they may have is familiarity and you can just be honest about “I’m a bit nervous, it seems like everyone here knows eachother and I don’t know anyone here!” and 99% of people will be happy to introduce you to whoever they’re talking to.

And listen to the other advice you’re getting, it’s all rock solid, especially the befriending the chodes stuff and bouncing them later (look up some nearby venues). Chodes are useful lol

Usually there’s a social alpha or two you can befriend and get THEM on board with bouncing a group of dudes afterward and rally up the chodes with them so you guys have a group of you. You don’t even have to get them laid or anything, just talking to a girl in front of them or introducing them to the cute waitress in a charming “giving them props” way etc is great. You don’t have to take them to a nightclub or stripclub, even like a Hooters or just a place with cute waitresses is fine. If a bunch of sausage sits down at a pub they’re probably going to send the cute chick waitress to you lol Google for a pub with a dance floor, you don’t have to go ON it but those will usually attract the most potential for fun/adventure.

Most of the time they’ll close you because it’s rare to them to meet someone who’s fun and cool in their industry so it’s a novelty to them to run into you and they’re like “man I gotta keep in touch with THIS guy”.

Remember: people bond through SHARED EXPERIENCE, not EXCHANGING RESUME INFO. Julien puts it like: imagine you and I are dropped into the middle of the wild together and we’re allowed to talk but the ONLY thing we’re not allowed to talk about is anything personal about ourselves. We can’t tell eachother our name, our job, about our lives or our families or hobbies or anything, no personal info, and we have to get back to civilization. We’re hacking through the bushes, getting attacked by wildlife and surviving, you fall off a cliff at one point and I catch you by the hand and pull you back up, and we finally make it back to civilization…you think we aren’t going to be bros for LIFE after that??? Even though we don’t know ANYTHING about eachother?

That’s WHY all the real networking happens in the lounge part of the conference, or after the bosses leave (plan to stay till the end, people loosen up once the higher-ups bail), or at another venue, or on the golf course, etc That’s where guys are sharing experiences. Women don’t understand this because they want to just see resume info to screen out who’s worth their time or not and solipsism makes them think we’re the same way, that’s why they don’t “get” that in certain corporate cultures you should learn to play some fucking golf if you want to get ahead and they think that’s unfair lol

Remember ALL of these people, men and women, are the same people you see at the bars. They just have their Adult Facade on for the night. If you can break them out of that so they can loosen up and be themselves, they’ll bond with you way more than exchanging resume info Facade to Facade.

@Pellaeon
“Damn scray, that shit sounds like gold. Does YaReally already have a post up about that?”

Nope, that’s just what happens when you go out a lot and throw yourself 100% into pickup…you start seeing the loopholes of social interaction and figuring out where you can combine the things you understand about how this all works and come up with shit like that. Most guys reading what scray wrote will go “wtf?! I’d never even THINK of that!!” but they would if they went out as much as scray lol He probably doesn’t even think it’s a big deal, it’s just a logical thing to do based on what he understands about how all these dynamics work, from GOING OUT REGULARLY lol Like he says, he’s just “putting the pieces of the equation together”.

“If not, he should get it in his archives.”

Ya, cutting and pasting it here for the archives ’cause it’s solid. Scray VIP Game:

“you need to learn how to solve clubs tho.

put the pieces of the equation together.

here you are, hanging out with 3 WOMEN.
i don’t think you understand what kind of currency that is in a club.

this weekend i was out with four young hotties ages 22-25.

disclaimer:
working with chicks to set anything up is a nightmare lol esp if you have slept with more than one of them — but it’s just one of those things….

annnnnyways….

when you show up with multiple young cute women, the next step is just finding a group of chodes who have bottle service, getting in on the game (yes, you are engaging in a trade — girls for a nice place to sit)

now you have a nice spot in the club with someone else footing the bill.

HERE IS THE KEY:

just go out and get more girls.
leave a few there with the chodes, take one hottie (or roll solo) and just run some game OR, you can be lazy like me and just toss the ‘hey we got a bottle’ line

‘but scray, isn’t that settling into a provider frame?’

why yes it is….

….UNTIL i get her there and she realizes i’m not paying for shit and that these dudes just are dropping so much money and letting me share because i bring women and that most of the women there know me and holy shit i waited to drop this bomb and insanely DHV myself until me and her are in this micro-environment where i have super status and insane social proof…..

…oh wait, here comes the bouncer who KNOWS me and always sees me at a table with hotties….

…oh wait here comes the promoter who sees the same (and these are high value guys) and are shaking my hand and shit ‘this fucking guy, always with the chicks….i don’t even know why they like you…’

honestly it’s fucking stupid. so I DHV then ROLL OFF (usually to go try and fetch another chick), and then just take my pick….

total money spent: 0 $

HBs? : take your pick

….

you need to learn how to SOLVE the social situations you’re in and CLIMB the hierarchy. if you’re there with multiple women you need to start trying to get free shit.”

@redlight
Jesus Christ. You owe me new eyes.

@scray @theasdgamer
ehhh, dance floor can be done as long as you’re AWARE that there’s going to be a state shift/crash (the way scray is describing) when you take her off the dance floor and are prepared for that. Like most guys get blindsided by it, they grind away on the dance floor and think “great we’re at an escalation level of like 7/10 right now, so when we get off the dance floor I can treat her like we’re at 7/10” and then don’t know wtf happened when the girl is like “wtf no that was the DANCE FLOOR buddy, out here we’re at like 1/10, you’re starting over” and because they don’t understand a crash is coming they keep trying to treat her like they’re at 7/10 and so of course she runs off.

But if you understand that the dance floor is a fantasy land then it becomes the exact same thing as being in the club at last call (fantasy land) to the staff flipping on the Ugly Lights and killing the music (snapping back into the real world), or pulling from the club (fantasy land) to outside or a bright food joint (real world), or pulling from the club (fantasy land) to your apartment where you forgot to leave music playing and left bright lights on (real world), or making out at the club (fantasy land) then you go on a Day2 and the girl is ice cold when you meet her (real world), or even pulling and banging (fantasy land) and then waking up in a quiet room in the bright morning sunshine (real world).

All of those situations involve state shifts/crashes too but you handle them all the same way: EXPECT them to happen and calibrate back. If you meet a girl on the dance floor and grind it up, COOL, but EXPECT that when you cross the edge of the dance floor back into the real world, lower your kino and PRO-ACTIVELY go into normal game mode as if she was a cold approach you just met outside of the dance floor. Like mentally “start over” and leave everything that happened on the dance floor ON the dance floor, even if you were making out and shit. Basically BE COOL and quit humping her leg like a horny dog off the dance floor lol SHOW her that you can calibrate and tone it back and that you understand the dance floor is a fantasy land and that she’s “not that kind of girl” etc etc

It’s do-able but I’m old and white with no rhythm and don’t enjoy dancing at all (I don’t like sweating at the bar) so I avoid the dance floor entirely these days lol but when I was younger I loved grinding it up and I have buddies who are big into dancing (all sorts of styles, some are better for pickup (like the lead/follow dancing) than others (wannabe asian gangstas breakdancing solo in the club, wtf are you doing you homos lol).

The key is mainly in how sexual the dancing gets and the venue vibe. At a swank high-end classy venue where the girls worry about their reputation, the dance floor will still get sexual later in the night but that shit ENDS the second you walk off the dance floor and often it’s mainly when you’re in the middle not the outskirts (ie – they feel like not as many people will see them slut it up). So you can be like 7/10 dancing and then have to drop to 0/10 being purely social (hands OFF, even) once you leave the dance floor. At a raunchy shithole club you can sometimes carry a lot of the sexual shit off the dance floor but you still usually have to tone it back, just not AS much because the vibe of the place is more “we’re all here to fuck anyway”, but like, ASD is always a thing to calibrate to, even slutty girls want to feel special and respected lol But that can look more like 7/10 on the dance floor and then like, 5/10 off it.

At a country venue like theasdgamer goes to where it’s lead/follow dancing, there’s very little visibily sexual raunchy shit going on during the dancing (aside from an ass grab here and there) so there’s a lot of plausible deniability built into the style of dance…it’s a lot easier to go from dancing to hanging out in that kind of environment because you’re never really getting that sexual (though you’re getting to display dominance/leading which is a bit sexual) so you’re only like 2/10 on the dance floor so when you get off the dance floor you don’t really have to lower it because you’re already down at 2/10. That’s part of why he can dance with taken girls and guys will send girls to dance with him, ’cause it’s pretty harmless looking and if the guy himself can’t dance well but she loves it it’s usually pretty safe to let her dance with guys in this style because most guys don’t know how to take it anywhere and isolate the girl and escalate on her, they’ll just dance with her and hand her back. Got a buddy who used to clean the fuck UP at those venues with that lead/follow dancing shit ’cause he would take the girls to get a glass of water after the dancing workout and that’s where he would run normal game and isolate/escalate etc lol

And yes you can fuck girls on the dance floor and get handjobs and finger them and shit lol Crowded clubs at least. But that shit is ON THE DANCE FLOOR, in fantasy land, not the “real world”, so expect a state shift/crash.

The best way to view it mentally is to imagine you’re at your girlfriend’s family dinner…you’re fingerbanging her in the hallway but the second you two come around the corner to the dining room you become Gentleman McNiceGuy for her family who would judge her. She KNOWS you can fingerbang her, you don’t need to demonstrate that anymore, just back off and BE COOL. When I do occasionally end up in those situations these days (’cause I go to the kiddie clubs lol) I’ll drop all kino entirely and just meet her friends as a cool social guy and even ignore her a bit etc, just to show her that I “GET it”, that even though we got it on on the dance floor that was a fantasy and she knows from that that if I get her alone we’re going to fuck so there’s no need for me to kino her with her friends around.

The only purpose of kino is to show her that you’re comfortable touching her and getting physical and sexually escalating, like THAT’S the point of kino. She isn’t getting super turned on by your hand on the small of her back, like it can be nice/hot/sweet/dominant that you touch her like that and that’s attractive, but like, touching her shoulder when you stress a point isn’t making her wet lol Kino is just to show that you’re comfortable getting physical with girls. So when you’ve demonstrated that, you don’t NEED it anymore. As I’ve mentioned before, part of why I don’t really need kino these days is because I convey that I’m comfortable with getting physical/sexually physical with girls through the stories I tell (ABOUT getting physical/sexual) and my subcomms (laser eyes, unreactiveness when she touches me, etc). I’m still flipping the same switch. If I didn’t have those things then I would have to go back to kino’ing more.


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on April 26th, 2016 at 12:33 am
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“Any tips or thoughts on how to work things socially to maximise results?”

Same shit. Spread value, open people, introduce them to eachother, ask “how do you know eachother?”, be honest/congruent. Have business cards or whatever handy so they have an easy way to get in touch with you or be prepared to take theirs ’cause they’ll probably close YOU (old business dudes always want to give me their business cards lol). Easy stuff don’t stress it, just don’t get hammered and be social. These people have value to you because you want something from them, but understand that social skills are valuable to “normies” because they rarely see someone with them. Befriend the cute staff girls serving the conference if you can and introduce these old dudes to them if you get the chance. You are a king in this environment in terms of social skills compared to them, the only thing they may have is familiarity and you can just be honest about “I’m a bit nervous, it seems like everyone here knows eachother and I don’t know anyone here!” and 99% of people will be happy to introduce you to whoever they’re talking to.

And listen to the other advice you’re getting, it’s all rock solid, especially the befriending the chodes stuff and bouncing them later (look up some nearby venues). Chodes are useful lol

Usually there’s a social alpha or two you can befriend and get THEM on board with bouncing a group of dudes afterward and rally up the chodes with them so you guys have a group of you. You don’t even have to get them laid or anything, just talking to a girl in front of them or introducing them to the cute waitress in a charming “giving them props” way etc is great. You don’t have to take them to a nightclub or stripclub, even like a Hooters or just a place with cute waitresses is fine. If a bunch of sausage sits down at a pub they’re probably going to send the cute chick waitress to you lol Google for a pub with a dance floor, you don’t have to go ON it but those will usually attract the most potential for fun/adventure.

Most of the time they’ll close you because it’s rare to them to meet someone who’s fun and cool in their industry so it’s a novelty to them to run into you and they’re like “man I gotta keep in touch with THIS guy”.

Remember: people bond through SHARED EXPERIENCE, not EXCHANGING RESUME INFO. Julien puts it like: imagine you and I are dropped into the middle of the wild together and we’re allowed to talk but the ONLY thing we’re not allowed to talk about is anything personal about ourselves. We can’t tell eachother our name, our job, about our lives or our families or hobbies or anything, no personal info, and we have to get back to civilization. We’re hacking through the bushes, getting attacked by wildlife and surviving, you fall off a cliff at one point and I catch you by the hand and pull you back up, and we finally make it back to civilization…you think we aren’t going to be bros for LIFE after that??? Even though we don’t know ANYTHING about eachother?

That’s WHY all the real networking happens in the lounge part of the conference, or after the bosses leave (plan to stay till the end, people loosen up once the higher-ups bail), or at another venue, or on the golf course, etc That’s where guys are sharing experiences. Women don’t understand this because they want to just see resume info to screen out who’s worth their time or not and solipsism makes them think we’re the same way, that’s why they don’t “get” that in certain corporate cultures you should learn to play some fucking golf if you want to get ahead and they think that’s unfair lol

Remember ALL of these people, men and women, are the same people you see at the bars. They just have their Adult Facade on for the night. If you can break them out of that so they can loosen up and be themselves, they’ll bond with you way more than exchanging resume info Facade to Facade.

@Pellaeon
“Damn scray, that shit sounds like gold. Does YaReally already have a post up about that?”

Nope, that’s just what happens when you go out a lot and throw yourself 100% into pickup…you start seeing the loopholes of social interaction and figuring out where you can combine the things you understand about how this all works and come up with shit like that. Most guys reading what scray wrote will go “wtf?! I’d never even THINK of that!!” but they would if they went out as much as scray lol He probably doesn’t even think it’s a big deal, it’s just a logical thing to do based on what he understands about how all these dynamics work, from GOING OUT REGULARLY lol Like he says, he’s just “putting the pieces of the equation together”.

“If not, he should get it in his archives.”

Ya, cutting and pasting it here for the archives ’cause it’s solid. Scray VIP Game:

“you need to learn how to solve clubs tho.

put the pieces of the equation together.

here you are, hanging out with 3 WOMEN.
i don’t think you understand what kind of currency that is in a club.

this weekend i was out with four young hotties ages 22-25.

disclaimer:
working with chicks to set anything up is a nightmare lol esp if you have slept with more than one of them — but it’s just one of those things….

annnnnyways….

when you show up with multiple young cute women, the next step is just finding a group of chodes who have bottle service, getting in on the game (yes, you are engaging in a trade — girls for a nice place to sit)

now you have a nice spot in the club with someone else footing the bill.

HERE IS THE KEY:

just go out and get more girls.
leave a few there with the chodes, take one hottie (or roll solo) and just run some game OR, you can be lazy like me and just toss the ‘hey we got a bottle’ line

‘but scray, isn’t that settling into a provider frame?’

why yes it is….

….UNTIL i get her there and she realizes i’m not paying for shit and that these dudes just are dropping so much money and letting me share because i bring women and that most of the women there know me and holy shit i waited to drop this bomb and insanely DHV myself until me and her are in this micro-environment where i have super status and insane social proof…..

…oh wait, here comes the bouncer who KNOWS me and always sees me at a table with hotties….

…oh wait here comes the promoter who sees the same (and these are high value guys) and are shaking my hand and shit ‘this fucking guy, always with the chicks….i don’t even know why they like you…’

honestly it’s fucking stupid. so I DHV then ROLL OFF (usually to go try and fetch another chick), and then just take my pick….

total money spent: 0 $

HBs? : take your pick

….

you need to learn how to SOLVE the social situations you’re in and CLIMB the hierarchy. if you’re there with multiple women you need to start trying to get free shit.”

@redlight
Jesus Christ. You owe me new eyes.

@scray @theasdgamer
ehhh, dance floor can be done as long as you’re AWARE that there’s going to be a state shift/crash (the way scray is describing) when you take her off the dance floor and are prepared for that. Like most guys get blindsided by it, they grind away on the dance floor and think “great we’re at an escalation level of like 7/10 right now, so when we get off the dance floor I can treat her like we’re at 7/10” and then don’t know wtf happened when the girl is like “wtf no that was the DANCE FLOOR buddy, out here we’re at like 1/10, you’re starting over” and because they don’t understand a crash is coming they keep trying to treat her like they’re at 7/10 and so of course she runs off.

But if you understand that the dance floor is a fantasy land then it becomes the exact same thing as being in the club at last call (fantasy land) to the staff flipping on the Ugly Lights and killing the music (snapping back into the real world), or pulling from the club (fantasy land) to outside or a bright food joint (real world), or pulling from the club (fantasy land) to your apartment where you forgot to leave music playing and left bright lights on (real world), or making out at the club (fantasy land) then you go on a Day2 and the girl is ice cold when you meet her (real world), or even pulling and banging (fantasy land) and then waking up in a quiet room in the bright morning sunshine (real world).

All of those situations involve state shifts/crashes too but you handle them all the same way: EXPECT them to happen and calibrate back. If you meet a girl on the dance floor and grind it up, COOL, but EXPECT that when you cross the edge of the dance floor back into the real world, lower your kino and PRO-ACTIVELY go into normal game mode as if she was a cold approach you just met outside of the dance floor. Like mentally “start over” and leave everything that happened on the dance floor ON the dance floor, even if you were making out and shit. Basically BE COOL and quit humping her leg like a horny dog off the dance floor lol SHOW her that you can calibrate and tone it back and that you understand the dance floor is a fantasy land and that she’s “not that kind of girl” etc etc

It’s do-able but I’m old and white with no rhythm and don’t enjoy dancing at all (I don’t like sweating at the bar) so I avoid the dance floor entirely these days lol but when I was younger I loved grinding it up and I have buddies who are big into dancing (all sorts of styles, some are better for pickup (like the lead/follow dancing) than others (wannabe asian gangstas breakdancing solo in the club, wtf are you doing you homos lol).

The key is mainly in how sexual the dancing gets and the venue vibe. At a swank high-end classy venue where the girls worry about their reputation, the dance floor will still get sexual later in the night but that shit ENDS the second you walk off the dance floor and often it’s mainly when you’re in the middle not the outskirts (ie – they feel like not as many people will see them slut it up). So you can be like 7/10 dancing and then have to drop to 0/10 being purely social (hands OFF, even) once you leave the dance floor. At a raunchy shithole club you can sometimes carry a lot of the sexual shit off the dance floor but you still usually have to tone it back, just not AS much because the vibe of the place is more “we’re all here to fuck anyway”, but like, ASD is always a thing to calibrate to, even slutty girls want to feel special and respected lol But that can look more like 7/10 on the dance floor and then like, 5/10 off it.

At a country venue like theasdgamer goes to where it’s lead/follow dancing, there’s very little visibily sexual raunchy shit going on during the dancing (aside from an ass grab here and there) so there’s a lot of plausible deniability built into the style of dance…it’s a lot easier to go from dancing to hanging out in that kind of environment because you’re never really getting that sexual (though you’re getting to display dominance/leading which is a bit sexual) so you’re only like 2/10 on the dance floor so when you get off the dance floor you don’t really have to lower it because you’re already down at 2/10. That’s part of why he can dance with taken girls and guys will send girls to dance with him, ’cause it’s pretty harmless looking and if the guy himself can’t dance well but she loves it it’s usually pretty safe to let her dance with guys in this style because most guys don’t know how to take it anywhere and isolate the girl and escalate on her, they’ll just dance with her and hand her back. Got a buddy who used to clean the fuck UP at those venues with that lead/follow dancing shit ’cause he would take the girls to get a glass of water after the dancing workout and that’s where he would run normal game and isolate/escalate etc lol

And yes you can fuck girls on the dance floor and get handjobs and finger them and shit lol Crowded clubs at least. But that shit is ON THE DANCE FLOOR, in fantasy land, not the “real world”, so expect a state shift/crash.

The best way to view it mentally is to imagine you’re at your girlfriend’s family dinner…you’re fingerbanging her in the hallway but the second you two come around the corner to the dining room you become Gentleman McNiceGuy for her family who would judge her. She KNOWS you can fingerbang her, you don’t need to demonstrate that anymore, just back off and BE COOL. When I do occasionally end up in those situations these days (’cause I go to the kiddie clubs lol) I’ll drop all kino entirely and just meet her friends as a cool social guy and even ignore her a bit etc, just to show her that I “GET it”, that even though we got it on on the dance floor that was a fantasy and she knows from that that if I get her alone we’re going to fuck so there’s no need for me to kino her with her friends around.

The only purpose of kino is to show her that you’re comfortable touching her and getting physical and sexually escalating, like THAT’S the point of kino. She isn’t getting super turned on by your hand on the small of her back, like it can be nice/hot/sweet/dominant that you touch her like that and that’s attractive, but like, touching her shoulder when you stress a point isn’t making her wet lol Kino is just to show that you’re comfortable getting physical with girls. So when you’ve demonstrated that, you don’t NEED it anymore. As I’ve mentioned before, part of why I don’t really need kino these days is because I convey that I’m comfortable with getting physical/sexually physical with girls through the stories I tell (ABOUT getting physical/sexual) and my subcomms (laser eyes, unreactiveness when she touches me, etc). I’m still flipping the same switch. If I didn’t have those things then I would have to go back to kino’ing more.


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on April 26th, 2016 at 1:20 am
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Well done and props for going out solo and opening. Most guys would have finished their beer and left, or ordered another beer and let AA build up even more until they’re 3 beers in, still haven’t opened, the girls have lost attraction because he didn’t man up and open them when the window was there, and go home frustrated, drunk, and out a bunch of money. You can’t THINK your way out of Approach Anxiety, you gotta take action and FORCE your way out of it.

So massive props. And yes that chick was into you, why WOULDN’T she be? She’s celebrating her 22nd birthday alone with her SISTER…she’s not with a bunch of her friends with her boyfriend on her arm lol Why WOULDN’T she want to meet and have an adventure with some cool guy who sits down with them? Why wouldn’t they BOTH want the company?? What could two sisters POSSIBLY be talking about that they don’t want to be interrupted about, that they haven’t been talking about all day/week/month, and won’t resume talking about later when they go home together…you are WAY MORE INTERESTING than their boring life at that moment lol

THAT SAID, now I’m gonna lecture you lol:

“After that the convo went smoothly and well, but no real spikes. Truth was I was running out of things to say, and it was starting to feel like I had to end the whole friendly convo thing and make some excuse for the frame to shift to ‘we’re hanging out now’ instead of ‘I popped by to ask you X.’”

Huh…no real spikes. That’s weird, they should just magically happen. And running out of things to say? That’s unusual, I thought you did improv comedy for the last 20 years so you would be able to just riff gold endlessly.

If only there was SOME WAY to solve both of these problems…some way to have things to say, and for those things to be things that spike attraction.

hmmm………….

O SHIT. ROUTINES!!!!

lol.

You’re not the first guy to be like “man, that was a great conversation, but there were no real attraction spikes, and I ran out of stuff to say”. That’s ALL GUYS, EVERY TIME, lol

Here’s what a Field Report from mid-2005 looked like:

“So I opened the girl with Who Lies More, then she mentions it’s her birthday so I go into Birthday Sex and transition to my stack: Badass Kid, Jealous GF, Best Friends Test and now the sister is laughing her ass off with here so I do Powerpuff Girls and transition to The Cube on the birthday girl–”

Here’s what a Field Report from 2016 looks like:

“So I went up and was like “hey what’s up”, and then it was awkward for a minute, I asked how their night’s going and they said it was their birthday…and then I was like that’s cool so how’s the food here, and then they weren’t really super receptive so I cheersed them and walked away to write this Field Report.”

lol I’m not picking on you specifically, this is most guys who don’t sit down and plan out and practice/rehearse routines (until they get good enough at improv (from going out a ton and being forced to improvise and create common personalized responses to various common situations so they don’t have to think about it consciously)).

Each of the routines I mentioned in the first example would be something that’s a strong emotional open-ended hook question (“Who lies more, men or women?” is a HUGE emotional subject for women and it’s not a yes/no question so it opens the floor for tons of potential topic threads to come out), or a super interesting story that followed by asking for their opinion/advice on the situation (“My buddy’s GF found a shoebox filled with photos and shit from his ex girlfriends and she lit it on fire” (these days I would change this to the girl finding a USB or his Facebook messages and deleting them lol)).

Or a solid DHV story with a build-up and punchline (“this kid was dressed like a little badass and my girl was like omg he’s so adorable so I was like “high-five, kid!” and held up my hand…and he flipped me the middle finger!!! lololz”) that can be shortened for chaotic situations or extended super long for sit-down situations like you were in. Some routines/stories would go on for like 10-20 minutes lol Or at least put you in a wheelhouse of topics where you can bounce around for that long. Like if I lead the conversation toward sex I can pull out random sexual topics for an hour to keep the set going…

But the conversation isn’t going to just MAGICALLY go to sex, I have to have ways to LEAD it there, so I have little hooks in my stories that if they jump on them I can easily transition into sexual topics, or little keywords they say that I can transition off of. Or I can just shift gears entirely “hey so check this out, bla bla–” and just frame control the random topic shift so that no one cares.

Your brain is GONNA freeze up in set. Especially sober in a 2-set solo in a venue like that. But picture Mystery sitting down with them…that dude would keep the conversation going for HOURS, just pulling out all his routines and stories and lacing the conversation with multiple threads for the girls to go “but what about the–” to help keep the conversation going themselves and shit.

And you should have routines for transitioning to a solid close or isolation or escalation. You’re probably not gonna make out with her in front of her sister in a venue like that, unless like, you frame it as an asexual birthday kiss and even THEN the % of that working out is low as fuck until you have them both super attracted to you. So what ELSE can you do in that situation? What kind of solid number can you GET? Why NOT hang out with them for the night? Why NOT order another beer, because you’re in the middle of an interesting story (because you have some DHV story routines locked & loaded right?) and THEY want you to stay to hear the rest of the story. Who knows, maybe the sister will fuck off an hour later and leave the two of you alone once she thinks you’re cool and her sister has girl-coded her “I want this birthday present!!!” And if not, hey, invite them to the bar/club next week and now you’ve got two cute girls as social proof for the venue and potentially can work the birthday girl again in a better venue for escalation.

LOOK AT ALL THESE POSSIBILITIES lol

But you have to PREPARE. Plan ahead. Get out a piece of paper or open up a text file and write out a few cool stories that have happened to you that make people laugh when you tell them. Now sharpen them up, where can you add DHVs, which parts do people find boring, where can you tweak the truth a bit to make it have better impact or DHV better, what can you transition into this story from and where can you transition TO with it?

You’re GOING to keep running into girls with birthdays, especially with summer coming, birthdays and bachelorette parties are going to be HUGE for the next few months.

Like real-talk: if you’re a guy sarging and you DON’T have a few go-to routines for opening and working/taking over/converting to pivots for the night/etc bachelorette parties with summer approaching, then WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING INFIELD?? Go play the fucking lottery if you want to gamble lol

A PUA walking into a venue and seeing a girl with a birthday sash and a bachelorette party beside them should have the biggest goddamn smile on his face because the universe just sent him THE BEST OPPORTUNITY OF HIS LIFE, because he has go-to routines/openers/etc for how to work both those groups of girls who are there to HAVE FUN and meet FUN GUYS and get sucked into your fun, and that kind of social proof will make you the king of the venue because you already have go-to routines for how to USE them and transition from them to other girls etc

This is chess, not checkers. Sit down and WRITE OUT some routines in various categories, have a few go-to openers, a few DHV stories, a few cold reads you love using, a few isolation excuses, a few solid Day2’s to time bridge with if you have to do a number close, a few ways to figure out her logistics, a few extraction excuses, etc etc PLAN THIS SHIT. And rehearse it in front of the mirror or when you’re walking around your apartment that has no girls in it cooking your dinner that you’re going to eat by yourself instead of with a girl lol

It’s all right here for you, for free:

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Create-a-Personalized-PUA-Routine-Stack&id=8138025

http://www.venusianarts.com/how-to-write-dhv-stories/

ohhh, wahhh, routines aren’t NATURAL, bro (even tho all Naturals end up telling the same stories and using the same comebacks over and over aka routines), NATURAL is the way to go!! DIRECT is the way to go! Go NATURAL BRO!!!! You have no experience cold approaching girls but just PULL WIZARD MAGIC OUT OF YOUR HAT!! After that go throw the winning touchdown on Superbowl Sunday without having done any training! WHY NOT!!

The reality is you don’t really know how to take things from “hello” to “sex” consistently. Scray DOES know how to do that now, so he can wing a lot of shit. I know how to do that now, so I can wing a lot of shit. But we put in the HOURS to get there. That’s not you yet. So use structure and plan and use routines and become more efficient at DHV’ing and have a stack of shit to pull from to keep a conversation going and LEAD it somewhere (to a solid close or lay). It’s OKAY to be a PUA ROBOT for a while till you’re consistently pulling lol

Like oldschool Tyler in the Tyler Digest says: “Look at the PUA Mystery. Does he piss people off with that attitude?? YES. But who gives a fuck??? While everyone else is moaning and groaning, he’s busy busting his load on the face of the latest covergirl(s) of Penthouse Magazine, or whatever flavour of the week it is this time.”

I’m gonna start quoting some Tyler Digest right now, ’cause it’s important that any guy sarging understand this shit and get that Tyler and all of us went through the same fucking process new guys are going through now except that we had LESS resources and support and encouragement available. This shit is from the early-2000’s, ASF was basically the original main message board:

(@Softek pay attention to this too, so you understand we ALL wrote down excitedly that we made eye contact with a girl or a girl actually TOUCHED us (OMG!!!) etc etc, personally I never even kissed a girl or held hands with one (or touched one at all, really) till I was like 23 or 24):

OK, one of the most COMMON experiences that someone who is undertaking the goal of becoming a PUA will face, is the harsh realization of just HOW FAR you are of your actual GOAL.

THE PUA TRANSITION PROCESS:
-learning to give intense EC to a chick
-learning to initiate a chat
-learning to initiate a chat without pissing your pants
-learning to ask for a #
-realizing that those are flakes, and pinpointing why
-learning to correct that, through projecting value onto yourself
-learning to EXPLOIT the interest that you generate by structuring future interactions
-learning to phase shift, and close during the first interaction, or during the ‘get-together’
-learning to disarm LMR

You read ASF. You start giving chicks a bunch of eye-contact. You learn to chat girls for 2 seconds. You learn to chat girls for 5-10 minutes. You learn to ask them for their #. You get it. You’re ESTATIC. But then you realize that these #s are FLAKES.

DAMN, that part SUCKS. I fucking HATED that shit. I remember the first girl I got a # from, I gotone-itis for SO FUCKING BAD that my heart pounded through my chest when I called her. Iremember sitting in my backyard of my country house, staring over the open field, thinking how Ishould just RELAX, and that no matter what happened, I’d still be me, and I’d still have my wholelife ahead of me, etc etc etc..

She called me back a week later and told me that she had a boyfriend, but would still go out withme.. WTF??? I just KNEW that this chick had probably chatted ALL WEEK to her friends abouthow she should get out of this fishy ‘get-together’ that she’d agreed to. Here I thought that thischick was a potential FUTURE WIFE, and all that she thought of me was like basically what Ithought of fat chicks who had tried to hover around me in the past. HOW could she not FEEL theCONNECTION that we had????

The thing was, that I had CREATED this connection in my own MIND. Despite having found ASF,I still had retained the BELIEF that there was a girl out there for me, and that I wouldn’t need to become a full-blown PUA in order to find her. AFTER ALL, I still was LIGHT YEARS ahead of most guys, just for having FOUND and attained a rough UNDERSTANDING of ASF concepts. I wouldn’t need to become an ASF fanatic just to find the right chick for me, and I could settle andfocus on other things

So still, I continued getting #s which I convinced myself were SURELY the girls that I could justSETTLE with, and therefore assumed MAJOR value on them. I tried stuff like taking a shit whilephoning, which is proven to naturally relax you. I’d do shit like phoning while I was DRIVING, soI’d have to focus on something else while I called.. damn, that shit was a fucking DRAMA FEST.

EVERY TIME that I’d get a #, I’d tell myself “OK, all I need is for this ONE chick to go OK, and Ican KEEP her and MARRY her.. then I never have to go through this again..”.. My relationshipmanagement skills were always very strong in the past, because I’d read “The Rules”, and “The Artof Seduction”.. So I knew that if I could just get a decent chick, that I COULD keep her, since my past relationship had gone very well

So I’d put SO MUCH VALUE on the outcome of a #, which always would turn out to be FLAKE

DAMN, that shit sucked.. All that I could think of was how here I had this HUGE EMOTIONALCONNECTION to whatever chick I’d #closed, and HOW could she not feel it too??? How theFUCK could this chick not even care enough about me to ever SEE me again??? What the fuck was wrong with ME??? I couldn’t even get a quality #close from a chick WORSE looking than me!!

(this part is for @scribblerg):
Then I came to the REALIZATION. I realized that I am UGLY. NOT good looking. It all made perfect sense. See, in the past, I hadn’t DONE approaches. I could say shit like “any time that I wanted a chick, I could get her.. I just don’t want those slutty chicks that are always ‘hooking-up’…” So I could always RATIONALIZE that if I did approaches, OBVIOUSLY they’d go just likein the Hollywood movies, and I’d totally pick the chick up, since I’d only try to pick up a chick that was “worth my time”. But NOW, I’d actually DONE approaches, and they weren’t WORKING.Chicks who were UGLY didn’t want to go out with me, which was clear indication that I must beeven UGLIER than the ugly chicks.

To add insult to injury, I started realizing that my HAIR is falling out. You can’t see it now whatsoever, unless you look really carefully under the right lighting. But YEP, it IS happening. It will be a few more years yet, but I WILL go bald. To THIS DAY, the FIRST thing that I do every morning when I wake up, is take a mirror up to my head and look in morbid fascination to see if my hair is falling out. It is a CONSTANT REMINDER that I am growing old, and that I WILL DIEsome day. It is BEYOND my control

So that raised the question: If I can’t meet girls NOW, what the FUCK am I going to do in a few years when my hair line is FALLEN OUT??????????? No, actually wait.. sorry, scratch that.. Whenmy hair has MIGRATED to my BACK.

It’s a TOUGH to acknowledge that you’re not good-looking. Before you’d ever tried PU, you couldrationalize it through your past GFs and shit like that. But now, it’s so IN YOUR FACE that you’renot desirable to women. To be honest, even after all the success I had in the past year, I’m STILLUTTERLY SHOCKED that HB9s are interested I me now. When I’m getting with a new chick, I’mthinking “WTF is this chick THINKING????? Is she RETARDED?????”

But the thing is, to just GO WITH IT. APPRECIATE that you’re a GUY, who is judged by his ATTITUDE and ACCOMPLISHMENTS, and not a chick who can NEVER escape her looks. I wantto say ONCE and FOR ALL, that LOOKS DO NOT MATTER ONE FUCKING BIT when it comes topickup. I say this more to re-affirm it to myself, than for others. But what I’m saying is the REALSHIT. (we’re assuming that grooming/style is a given here, though, bros)

So WHY was this REALLY happening?? Because I was focusing on a NATURAL, LOW RISK way of #closing. My main goal wasn’t to PROJECT VALUE onto myself, so that she’d want to see me again.. Instead, it was to ask for the # in a way that wasn’t EMBARRESSING.. My goal was to WORK THE #CLOSE INTO THE CONVERSATION NATURALLY, instead of PROJECTING VALUE ONTO MYSELF

(for @Forge the Sky (and everyone)):
So the thing is, if you want to become not only a guy who can get laid, but also a PICKUP ARTIST, then you need to find STRATEGIES of CONVEYING VALUE to a chick during the PICKUP. If you want to be a PUA, there is usually NOTHING that you can’t usually do during the INITIAL interaction, that you couldn’t do over weeks of emails

One GREAT way to do this was discussed in my “How to sarge, actually for real” post – where I discuss projecting value right from the opener, through the ball-busting, rapport, and kiss-close.See, when you project value in your OPENER, you are OFF ON THE RIGHT PATH. Then, when you BUST HER BALLS with PUSH/PULL (you’re my new GF… actually NO you aren’t.. wait, yes you are.. let’s get married.. no wait, we can’t), you project the value of beingconfident/funny/exciting/daring/flirtatious.. So ONLY THEN will she want to get to know youand start TRYING to get rapport with YOU”

I’mma just leave the keys to the kingdom here for anyone who wants them lol:


YaReally
on April 26th, 2016 at 1:20 am
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big reply in mod for you

@Rollo
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YaReally
on April 26th, 2016 at 1:20 am
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Well done and props for going out solo and opening. Most guys would have finished their beer and left, or ordered another beer and let AA build up even more until they’re 3 beers in, still haven’t opened, the girls have lost attraction because he didn’t man up and open them when the window was there, and go home frustrated, drunk, and out a bunch of money. You can’t THINK your way out of Approach Anxiety, you gotta take action and FORCE your way out of it.

So massive props. And yes that chick was into you, why WOULDN’T she be? She’s celebrating her 22nd birthday alone with her SISTER…she’s not with a bunch of her friends with her boyfriend on her arm lol Why WOULDN’T she want to meet and have an adventure with some cool guy who sits down with them? Why wouldn’t they BOTH want the company?? What could two sisters POSSIBLY be talking about that they don’t want to be interrupted about, that they haven’t been talking about all day/week/month, and won’t resume talking about later when they go home together…you are WAY MORE INTERESTING than their boring life at that moment lol

THAT SAID, now I’m gonna lecture you lol:

“After that the convo went smoothly and well, but no real spikes. Truth was I was running out of things to say, and it was starting to feel like I had to end the whole friendly convo thing and make some excuse for the frame to shift to ‘we’re hanging out now’ instead of ‘I popped by to ask you X.’”

Huh…no real spikes. That’s weird, they should just magically happen. And running out of things to say? That’s unusual, I thought you did improv comedy for the last 20 years so you would be able to just riff gold endlessly.

If only there was SOME WAY to solve both of these problems…some way to have things to say, and for those things to be things that spike attraction.

hmmm………….

O SHIT. ROUTINES!!!!

lol.

You’re not the first guy to be like “man, that was a great conversation, but there were no real attraction spikes, and I ran out of stuff to say”. That’s ALL GUYS, EVERY TIME, lol

Here’s what a Field Report from mid-2005 looked like:

“So I opened the girl with Who Lies More, then she mentions it’s her birthday so I go into Birthday Sex and transition to my stack: Badass Kid, Jealous GF, Best Friends Test and now the sister is laughing her ass off with here so I do Powerpuff Girls and transition to The Cube on the birthday girl–”

Here’s what a Field Report from 2016 looks like:

“So I went up and was like “hey what’s up”, and then it was awkward for a minute, I asked how their night’s going and they said it was their birthday…and then I was like that’s cool so how’s the food here, and then they weren’t really super receptive so I cheersed them and walked away to write this Field Report.”

lol I’m not picking on you specifically, this is most guys who don’t sit down and plan out and practice/rehearse routines (until they get good enough at improv (from going out a ton and being forced to improvise and create common personalized responses to various common situations so they don’t have to think about it consciously)).

Each of the routines I mentioned in the first example would be something that’s a strong emotional open-ended hook question (“Who lies more, men or women?” is a HUGE emotional subject for women and it’s not a yes/no question so it opens the floor for tons of potential topic threads to come out), or a super interesting story that followed by asking for their opinion/advice on the situation (“My buddy’s GF found a shoebox filled with photos and shit from his ex girlfriends and she lit it on fire” (these days I would change this to the girl finding a USB or his Facebook messages and deleting them lol)).

Or a solid DHV story with a build-up and punchline (“this kid was dressed like a little badass and my girl was like omg he’s so adorable so I was like “high-five, kid!” and held up my hand…and he flipped me the middle finger!!! lololz”) that can be shortened for chaotic situations or extended super long for sit-down situations like you were in. Some routines/stories would go on for like 10-20 minutes lol Or at least put you in a wheelhouse of topics where you can bounce around for that long. Like if I lead the conversation toward sex I can pull out random sexual topics for an hour to keep the set going…

But the conversation isn’t going to just MAGICALLY go to sex, I have to have ways to LEAD it there, so I have little hooks in my stories that if they jump on them I can easily transition into sexual topics, or little keywords they say that I can transition off of. Or I can just shift gears entirely “hey so check this out, bla bla–” and just frame control the random topic shift so that no one cares.

Your brain is GONNA freeze up in set. Especially sober in a 2-set solo in a venue like that. But picture Mystery sitting down with them…that dude would keep the conversation going for HOURS, just pulling out all his routines and stories and lacing the conversation with multiple threads for the girls to go “but what about the–” to help keep the conversation going themselves and shit.

And you should have routines for transitioning to a solid close or isolation or escalation. You’re probably not gonna make out with her in front of her sister in a venue like that, unless like, you frame it as an asexual birthday kiss and even THEN the % of that working out is low as fuck until you have them both super attracted to you. So what ELSE can you do in that situation? What kind of solid number can you GET? Why NOT hang out with them for the night? Why NOT order another beer, because you’re in the middle of an interesting story (because you have some DHV story routines locked & loaded right?) and THEY want you to stay to hear the rest of the story. Who knows, maybe the sister will fuck off an hour later and leave the two of you alone once she thinks you’re cool and her sister has girl-coded her “I want this birthday present!!!” And if not, hey, invite them to the bar/club next week and now you’ve got two cute girls as social proof for the venue and potentially can work the birthday girl again in a better venue for escalation.

LOOK AT ALL THESE POSSIBILITIES lol

But you have to PREPARE. Plan ahead. Get out a piece of paper or open up a text file and write out a few cool stories that have happened to you that make people laugh when you tell them. Now sharpen them up, where can you add DHVs, which parts do people find boring, where can you tweak the truth a bit to make it have better impact or DHV better, what can you transition into this story from and where can you transition TO with it?

You’re GOING to keep running into girls with birthdays, especially with summer coming, birthdays and bachelorette parties are going to be HUGE for the next few months.

Like real-talk: if you’re a guy sarging and you DON’T have a few go-to routines for opening and working/taking over/converting to pivots for the night/etc bachelorette parties with summer approaching, then WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING INFIELD?? Go play the fucking lottery if you want to gamble lol

A PUA walking into a venue and seeing a girl with a birthday sash and a bachelorette party beside them should have the biggest goddamn smile on his face because the universe just sent him THE BEST OPPORTUNITY OF HIS LIFE, because he has go-to routines/openers/etc for how to work both those groups of girls who are there to HAVE FUN and meet FUN GUYS and get sucked into your fun, and that kind of social proof will make you the king of the venue because you already have go-to routines for how to USE them and transition from them to other girls etc

This is chess, not checkers. Sit down and WRITE OUT some routines in various categories, have a few go-to openers, a few DHV stories, a few cold reads you love using, a few isolation excuses, a few solid Day2’s to time bridge with if you have to do a number close, a few ways to figure out her logistics, a few extraction excuses, etc etc PLAN THIS SHIT. And rehearse it in front of the mirror or when you’re walking around your apartment that has no girls in it cooking your dinner that you’re going to eat by yourself instead of with a girl lol

It’s all right here for you, for free:

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Create-a-Personalized-PUA-Routine-Stack&id=8138025

http://www.venusianarts.com/how-to-write-dhv-stories/

ohhh, wahhh, routines aren’t NATURAL, bro (even tho all Naturals end up telling the same stories and using the same comebacks over and over aka routines), NATURAL is the way to go!! DIRECT is the way to go! Go NATURAL BRO!!!! You have no experience cold approaching girls but just PULL WIZARD MAGIC OUT OF YOUR HAT!! After that go throw the winning touchdown on Superbowl Sunday without having done any training! WHY NOT!!

The reality is you don’t really know how to take things from “hello” to “sex” consistently. Scray DOES know how to do that now, so he can wing a lot of shit. I know how to do that now, so I can wing a lot of shit. But we put in the HOURS to get there. That’s not you yet. So use structure and plan and use routines and become more efficient at DHV’ing and have a stack of shit to pull from to keep a conversation going and LEAD it somewhere (to a solid close or lay). It’s OKAY to be a PUA ROBOT for a while till you’re consistently pulling lol

Like oldschool Tyler in the Tyler Digest says: “Look at the PUA Mystery. Does he piss people off with that attitude?? YES. But who gives a fuck??? While everyone else is moaning and groaning, he’s busy busting his load on the face of the latest covergirl(s) of Penthouse Magazine, or whatever flavour of the week it is this time.”

I’m gonna start quoting some Tyler Digest right now, ’cause it’s important that any guy sarging understand this shit and get that Tyler and all of us went through the same fucking process new guys are going through now except that we had LESS resources and support and encouragement available. This shit is from the early-2000’s, ASF was basically the original main message board:

(@Softek pay attention to this too, so you understand we ALL wrote down excitedly that we made eye contact with a girl or a girl actually TOUCHED us (OMG!!!) etc etc, personally I never even kissed a girl or held hands with one (or touched one at all, really) till I was like 23 or 24):

OK, one of the most COMMON experiences that someone who is undertaking the goal of becoming a PUA will face, is the harsh realization of just HOW FAR you are of your actual GOAL.

THE PUA TRANSITION PROCESS:
-learning to give intense EC to a chick
-learning to initiate a chat
-learning to initiate a chat without pissing your pants
-learning to ask for a #
-realizing that those are flakes, and pinpointing why
-learning to correct that, through projecting value onto yourself
-learning to EXPLOIT the interest that you generate by structuring future interactions
-learning to phase shift, and close during the first interaction, or during the ‘get-together’
-learning to disarm LMR

You read ASF. You start giving chicks a bunch of eye-contact. You learn to chat girls for 2 seconds. You learn to chat girls for 5-10 minutes. You learn to ask them for their #. You get it. You’re ESTATIC. But then you realize that these #s are FLAKES.

DAMN, that part SUCKS. I fucking HATED that shit. I remember the first girl I got a # from, I gotone-itis for SO FUCKING BAD that my heart pounded through my chest when I called her. Iremember sitting in my backyard of my country house, staring over the open field, thinking how Ishould just RELAX, and that no matter what happened, I’d still be me, and I’d still have my wholelife ahead of me, etc etc etc..

She called me back a week later and told me that she had a boyfriend, but would still go out withme.. WTF??? I just KNEW that this chick had probably chatted ALL WEEK to her friends abouthow she should get out of this fishy ‘get-together’ that she’d agreed to. Here I thought that thischick was a potential FUTURE WIFE, and all that she thought of me was like basically what Ithought of fat chicks who had tried to hover around me in the past. HOW could she not FEEL theCONNECTION that we had????

The thing was, that I had CREATED this connection in my own MIND. Despite having found ASF,I still had retained the BELIEF that there was a girl out there for me, and that I wouldn’t need to become a full-blown PUA in order to find her. AFTER ALL, I still was LIGHT YEARS ahead of most guys, just for having FOUND and attained a rough UNDERSTANDING of ASF concepts. I wouldn’t need to become an ASF fanatic just to find the right chick for me, and I could settle andfocus on other things

So still, I continued getting #s which I convinced myself were SURELY the girls that I could justSETTLE with, and therefore assumed MAJOR value on them. I tried stuff like taking a shit whilephoning, which is proven to naturally relax you. I’d do shit like phoning while I was DRIVING, soI’d have to focus on something else while I called.. damn, that shit was a fucking DRAMA FEST.

EVERY TIME that I’d get a #, I’d tell myself “OK, all I need is for this ONE chick to go OK, and Ican KEEP her and MARRY her.. then I never have to go through this again..”.. My relationshipmanagement skills were always very strong in the past, because I’d read “The Rules”, and “The Artof Seduction”.. So I knew that if I could just get a decent chick, that I COULD keep her, since my past relationship had gone very well

So I’d put SO MUCH VALUE on the outcome of a #, which always would turn out to be FLAKE

DAMN, that shit sucked.. All that I could think of was how here I had this HUGE EMOTIONALCONNECTION to whatever chick I’d #closed, and HOW could she not feel it too??? How theFUCK could this chick not even care enough about me to ever SEE me again??? What the fuck was wrong with ME??? I couldn’t even get a quality #close from a chick WORSE looking than me!!

(this part is for @scribblerg):
Then I came to the REALIZATION. I realized that I am UGLY. NOT good looking. It all made perfect sense. See, in the past, I hadn’t DONE approaches. I could say shit like “any time that I wanted a chick, I could get her.. I just don’t want those slutty chicks that are always ‘hooking-up’…” So I could always RATIONALIZE that if I did approaches, OBVIOUSLY they’d go just likein the Hollywood movies, and I’d totally pick the chick up, since I’d only try to pick up a chick that was “worth my time”. But NOW, I’d actually DONE approaches, and they weren’t WORKING.Chicks who were UGLY didn’t want to go out with me, which was clear indication that I must beeven UGLIER than the ugly chicks.

To add insult to injury, I started realizing that my HAIR is falling out. You can’t see it now whatsoever, unless you look really carefully under the right lighting. But YEP, it IS happening. It will be a few more years yet, but I WILL go bald. To THIS DAY, the FIRST thing that I do every morning when I wake up, is take a mirror up to my head and look in morbid fascination to see if my hair is falling out. It is a CONSTANT REMINDER that I am growing old, and that I WILL DIEsome day. It is BEYOND my control

So that raised the question: If I can’t meet girls NOW, what the FUCK am I going to do in a few years when my hair line is FALLEN OUT??????????? No, actually wait.. sorry, scratch that.. Whenmy hair has MIGRATED to my BACK.

It’s a TOUGH to acknowledge that you’re not good-looking. Before you’d ever tried PU, you couldrationalize it through your past GFs and shit like that. But now, it’s so IN YOUR FACE that you’renot desirable to women. To be honest, even after all the success I had in the past year, I’m STILLUTTERLY SHOCKED that HB9s are interested I me now. When I’m getting with a new chick, I’mthinking “WTF is this chick THINKING????? Is she RETARDED?????”

But the thing is, to just GO WITH IT. APPRECIATE that you’re a GUY, who is judged by his ATTITUDE and ACCOMPLISHMENTS, and not a chick who can NEVER escape her looks. I wantto say ONCE and FOR ALL, that LOOKS DO NOT MATTER ONE FUCKING BIT when it comes topickup. I say this more to re-affirm it to myself, than for others. But what I’m saying is the REALSHIT. (we’re assuming that grooming/style is a given here, though, bros)

So WHY was this REALLY happening?? Because I was focusing on a NATURAL, LOW RISK way of #closing. My main goal wasn’t to PROJECT VALUE onto myself, so that she’d want to see me again.. Instead, it was to ask for the # in a way that wasn’t EMBARRESSING.. My goal was to WORK THE #CLOSE INTO THE CONVERSATION NATURALLY, instead of PROJECTING VALUE ONTO MYSELF

(for @Forge the Sky (and everyone)):
So the thing is, if you want to become not only a guy who can get laid, but also a PICKUP ARTIST, then you need to find STRATEGIES of CONVEYING VALUE to a chick during the PICKUP. If you want to be a PUA, there is usually NOTHING that you can’t usually do during the INITIAL interaction, that you couldn’t do over weeks of emails

One GREAT way to do this was discussed in my “How to sarge, actually for real” post – where I discuss projecting value right from the opener, through the ball-busting, rapport, and kiss-close.See, when you project value in your OPENER, you are OFF ON THE RIGHT PATH. Then, when you BUST HER BALLS with PUSH/PULL (you’re my new GF… actually NO you aren’t.. wait, yes you are.. let’s get married.. no wait, we can’t), you project the value of beingconfident/funny/exciting/daring/flirtatious.. So ONLY THEN will she want to get to know youand start TRYING to get rapport with YOU”

I’mma just leave the keys to the kingdom here for anyone who wants them lol:


YaReally
on April 26th, 2016 at 1:20 am
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@Forge the Sky
big reply in mod for you

@Rollo
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YaReally
on April 26th, 2016 at 1:45 pm
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That “be the change” FR is a rock solid story. That’s the shit I’m talking about…solid setup to a huge emotional spike. Imagine you got a bunch of shit like THAT stockpiled Forge, you could have kept those girls going for an hour and another beer and then the sister says “I have to get up early I’ll meet you at home” and you joke “oh no don’t leave her with ME, why do you hate me?? lol” and tease her about “man your own SISTER bailed on you, she must know something I don’t know” etc etc and now you’re taking her home.

Also it’s a lot easier to just STAY with them (VS asking permission) when you feel like you KNOW you’re giving value (aka you have a bunch of stories/routines that you KNOW will make them lol and spike attraction and make their night better in general, so why WOULDN’T they want you to stay??? VS when you can’t think of anything to say and they aren’t hooked yet so they aren’t contributing to holding up the whole conversation or asking you to stay and then you feel like you’re imposing because you’re not really bringing any value to the table in your mind).

Part of why Tyler and Mystery were so cocky was that they KNEW the shit they were bringing to the table was lightyears beyond what other guys brought, because they had their routines/structure to rely on.

Every Natural you ever meet will tell you his same 3 DHV stories over and over as if it’s the first time you’ve ever heard them and every time a girl says X to him he will say his go-to Y that you’ve heard him say to a dozen other girls. Routines are fine, just PERSONALIZE them. Like Mystery said way back in MM, learn the STRUCTURE and WHY his routines work but build your own off that structure. I can link more resources if you need them but the one I linked about building DHV stories is pretty rock solid. Now you just gotta sit down and do your homework lol

@theasdgamer
“The fantasy can get up a lot higher than 2/10 for lead/follow.”

That’s why I said VISUALLY. ’cause I knew you were going to respond with this lol I KNOW you can build sexual tension with dancing dude, you aren’t the first guy to discover dancing. But to people WATCHING, the lead/follow cowboy shit LOOKS from AFAR like a 2/10 at the most, that’s why guys let you dance with their girls and shit. If you were dancing the lambada or some shit it would LOOK more like 6/10 sexual.

My point is that you aren’t triggering anything visually that guys should be concerned about, that’s why they aren’t.

“Dance instructors get laid a lot.”

Dance instructors who make moves get laid a lot. I’ve met plenty of guys who dance their asses off and still don’t get pussy because they don’t know how to pull the trigger on the girls that are dying to dance with them.

“Do random girls often mess with your butt or get up in your grid in bars? Strangers you just met? This is a serious question, not rhetorical.”

Ya man this happens to most of us dude. Without dancing lol Especially in nightclubs. It’s great that you’ve found a system that works for you but it’s not magic and it’s not an area that’s necessary to develop unless a guy really LIKES dancing. Personally I don’t like sweating everywhere when I’m out lol

Also like Scray says you’re not fucking these girls, just getting good feels from them, and a lot of them are old chicks and it sounds like it’s usually at venues that you’re a regular at lol Run your dance game in modern young non-country venues you’ve never been to with 21yo’s and stick your dick in their vaginas and then you and Scray can talk.

@having a bad day
“you: you should have a drink
her: i just turn into a slut
you: that’s a bad thing?
her: [laugh]

tells me that your whole interaction was BB (with you chasing = she is the prize)”

Thing is, this isn’t necessarily his fault with a girl that age who’s got enough baggage that’s she’s NOTICABLY weird/cold. That’s why I hate when guys go after these chicks and try to judge their game based on them lol This isn’t a HEALTHY sane cool sexual late 40s chick. This is a damage case who’s sexuality is who knows where from thousand yard stare baggage. You’re not necessarily a bad driver for crashing a beat up old car that’s been dug out of the junkyard, that car has damage lol Go drive some fresh young lambos to get a better idea of your driving skill.

@Softek
Again a thing tons of guys deal with. Most of the dudes who end up in PUA start out with super unhealthy guilt/shame/views around sex. Lot of religious households (especially the minority dudes) or super Blue Pill feminist brainwashed upbringings etc. That knowledge isn’t going to fix it, but I’m saying it so you know that this is another thing that IS 100% fixable, so you’ll be able to get through it.

I recommend spending a shitload of time at strip clubs (don’t bring your ATM cards with you, just a $20 max, you’re there to sip a drink and absorb the sexual nature of the venue and be around girls who are comfortable with sex and sexuality and their bodies etc, not to get dances altho that can’t hurt if you’re super fucked up lol).

Also throw porn on 24/7 at home. Just leave it running in the background all the time so sex and nudity and sexuality etc become normalized to you. Watch shows like Californication, Entourage, the entire series of The Girls Next Door, etc

PRO-ACTIVELY REPROGRAM YOUR BRAIN. Your brain thinks all this shit because it’s been programmed by other people your whole life. So just do the same thing but reprogram it with BETTER data, data that tells it sex is OKAY and AWESOME and NORMAL.

That’s why your girl’s porn-shaming is the first thing I jumped on way back when I first replied to your situation. Because that’s going to actively cripple everything for you…how are you supposed to feel okay hitting on another girl when even LOOKING at IMAGES of GIRLS WHO AREN’T EVEN REAL OR IN FRONT OF YOU, is “wrong” and gets you in trouble??

If she cripples your sexuality then she’s knocking down the pillar of all the rest of that stuff. She doesn’t have to worry about you getting other girls or cheating or thinking you can do better than her when you hate yourself for having sexual thoughts and she’s your only outlet for release. It’s nice and efficient for her to shame you about sex especially since you have all this built in framework for it that she can manipulate you off.

She wants you to stay exactly how you are because if you realized you could do better, you would walk and she knows that because she’s approaching the wall and needs a baby.

“but her constant espousing of monogamy, and declaration of how she wants a ‘simple life’ etc., and can’t stand women whoring themselves out or acting like whores in public”

This is the girl who was cheating with you while she had a boyfriend right? And has dudes who want to fuck her over to her place and places the blame on you when that’s upsetting right? And then simultaneously shames you for looking at other girls or porn right?

Ya, sounds like she really cares about monogamy, the simple life, and not acting like a whore.

@scray
“my main point was back at the beginning: ‘if you like to dance, have fun, but the dance floor is just….you’re making it harder on yourself.’”

Ya I agree. For the most part you’re starting over once you get off the dance floor, so why not just approach off the dance floor. But some guys are comfortable with the dancing shit and can get girls up on them with it, but just need to know how to deal with that state crash. Those are guys who LIKE dancing though lol so it becomes like anything else where as long as you LIKE doing it, they’ll be drawn to you.

@IAS
I think she fucked her dog. lol

Or she’s one of the girls who thinks she’s super edgy and likes to throw deadpan weird shit out to fuck with people and they don’t know what to do when she does so it reaffirms to her how special and edgy she is. Personally, I eat those girls for breakfast lol but for most guys they’re tricky to handle and not even attractive to them (like it’s an off-putting vibe they don’t really want to interact with).

Don’t read into it. The way to handle those girls is to play her game back at her (inappropriate deadpan humor) but do it BETTER than her and that’s like a whole skillset in itself that isn’t worth worrying about if that isn’t your type of personality/humor that you want to be around.

“@Scray: the headspace is that I’m practicing game for two reasons a) in case I divorce I won’t be completely inexperienced b) in case I don’t divorce, it pays off to be better at game so that I can game my wife better.”

These are good reasons. Even if I settled down into a solid mono LTR marriage whatever, I would make sure I’m still out with my buddies flirting with cute waitresses or strippers bare minimum somewhere. Like Patrice O’Neal says “she’s a fish that jumps back into your boat and then tells you you don’t need that boat and fishing rod anymore you got me get rid of them, and when you DO she goes you’re not the man I fell in love with you don’t even have a boat or fishing rod!!” lol

@Andy @scribblerg
I’m not following your guy’s convo but this:

““Or are you one of those leftie conspiracy thinkers who believe that advertising makes people spend their money on crap?”

Oh only leftie conspiracy theorists think advertising makes people spend money on crap? This is a fucking reality. lol.”

…made me lol I didn’t read the context of this quote at ALL so feel free to ignore me, but who the fuck would deny advertising influencing people to spend their money on useless shit??

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1l6nt4/what_is_the_worst_impulse_purchase_you_have_ever/

@Forge
“Thanks. I’m still a bit high on being able to open sets without shitting myself, and not being all that nervous once the convo gets going.”

Ya man, that’s why I’m stressing like, you did good, you did some boss shit even going out solo let alone opening them. But we all know you can do better๐Ÿ˜‰

“Yay I can open sets! Then…uh, what now? lol. Like a dog that catches the car.”

lol this is basically the process of learning pickup.

“I suppose I’ve been resisting the ‘training wheels’ of having routines even though WHY WOULD I NOT NEED TRAINING WHEELS. No shame to it, who cares if you look funny at first.”

lol that’s exactly it. We accept that to learn to ride a bike you use training wheels and to learn to play football you train and run plays in practice and to learn to play the piano to rehearse before your recital etc etc etc

You think the fucking PRESIDENT just goes up and WINGS his speeches?? If someone is scared to give a speech everyone will encourage him to go to toastmasters…I want to learn to give speeches in front of people, I guess it makes sense to go to a thing where I’m forced to practice giving speeches in front of people!

But when it comes to GIRLS, it’s like “hey there’s two HOT BITCHES I WANT TO FUCK, I’m going to just SIT DOWN WITH THEM, out of NOWHERE, for like the 3rd time in my LIFE, and spit out fucking GOLD that makes these COMPLETE STRANGERS both want to SUCK MY DICK IN THE BATHROOM”

lol like oh ya, lemme know how THAT goes!

This all comes back to the FI though. You’re a broken hammer if you don’t just “know” this stuff, some guys have it some don’t after all! If you weren’t born knowing how to bang that birthday girl, sorry, accept your slot in life as background noise to women! Try not to take anyone with you when you kill yourself out of loneliness someday! ๐Ÿ™‚

Whereas no one expects you to be good at basketball the first time you pick up a ball when you haven’t played basketball in 20-whatever years, so we have no shame in saying “I gotta go practice this shit before I can play in the NBA”.

This is a loooooong journey. This is something that’s gonna be a part of the rest of your LIFE. You’ll have PLENTY of time to tone down the routines and improvise once you get the reference experiences under your belt of actually taking a girl from a set like that home successfully.

“Keys to the kingdom and all๐Ÿ˜€ :D”

It’s all right there for everyone to see and use. ๐Ÿ™‚ It’s amazing to me that there are guys who wouldn’t bother reading that stuff or want to go out and apply it if they’re single. Like wtf are they even DOING??? Playing X-Box?? lol

“I was just like, man, now I have to approach or it’ll be weird.”

It’s good to get into that mentality. That’s why your opener didn’t have to be anything amazing, she was super receptive because she was HOPING you would open them because you DHV’ed enough (even chatting with the waitress helps, everything that demonstrates confidence and social skills etc helps).

“And I did have a backup for the food thing, cause I ghostwrite a health blog for work and could use that as an excuse if they look at me weird for asking how the food was.”

Don’t stress it. The only reason the food thing “needs to make sense” in your mind is because you don’t HAVE anything else to switch the conversation to so you’re stuck in that food topic with them. Remember the phrase “anyway so–” lol Like take the best friends test, an oldschool one…”Ya so you think the food here is pretty decent? I don’t know I was thinking–hey, are you guys best friends? I just noticed when you two talk–” bla bla Like, you just interrupt the thread. That also creates multiple threading which Mystery talks about (can’t find the clip on YouTube anymore but it’s where he draws a hand on the paper behind him and each finger represents a thread lol, I prefer his seminar to his book), where he starts multiple conversation threads but leaves them open/hanging on cliffhangers etc and sidetracks to a different routine/story, leaving TONS of stuff for him to go BACK to and threads for the girls to say “wait wait but what about–” and bring him back to them (which is also an ioi).

@Scray @Forge
“You should memorize a stack first and just practice running it.

become a fucking thespian with it.
During my original 30 day challenge I practiced video recording myself for like 30 minutes everyday and realizing how I looked when I talk (knowing what you look like in motion and how you come off is a HUGE asset)

later on, you’ll get what I’m saying about making shit up. it’s a lot of fun and it’s a tremendous asset.”

Ya, like I say, we ALL did this shit. I still DO at times. I can improvise a lot but I also have a bunch of go-to replies/stories/topics/routines/cold-reads/DHVs/etc to throw out there when the opportunities come up, just from years of doing this. But even now like, if something interesting happens to me, I’ll spit it out as a routine and see how it does and if I like it and it self-amuses I’ll think it out in my head that night and be like “ok what’s a better way to say this, where can I add a punchline, what can I beef up, what can be cut for efficiency…” and next time I’m out I’ll try the new version out. Same exact thing a comedian does with his material on-stage.

Pickup is about streamlining DHV’s basically. It’s about taking the switches that other guys take 3-10 dates to flip and flipping them all in the first interaction in like the first 20 minutes if possible. So if you’re NOT going to sit down and consciously change a story you tell girls from “I was out with a buddy and we saw this kid who–” to “I was out with a friend and she pointed out this kid who–“, then like, what are you doing out there?? lol

Also for Forge: habd or whoever was right about the DLV with why you were there alone. Instead of saying you got flaked on try saying you were out with a girl but she was SO BORING that you made an excuse and bailed and then ask them if that makes you a bad person, and then exaggerate it, say you got catfished or exaggerate how awful she was until they can’t tell if you’re kidding or not etc etc have fun with it. OR keep it serious, whatever you calibrate is best for what you’re doing, but like the point is YOU walked out on a girl who didn’t meet YOUR standards (DHV), VS you getting flaked on (DLV).

When I’m solo I tell girls “ahhh, I had a girl coming over but her boyfriend came home early so I figured fuck it, I live near this place so why waste a shower? And here I am. What brings you girls out tonight?”

Re-read that, there’s a LOT of pickup/DHV/lover/polarizing concepts involved in that little offhand comment lol In one reply I indicate that I’m a lover, that if they have a boyfriend they can fuck me and I won’t judge them for it, that I’ll be discreet and not fuck their relationship up, that girls with boyfriends think I’m BETTER than their boyfriends, that I care so little about social conventions that I would even SAY something like that to total strangers, that I’m not trying to impress them because I’m not trying to sound like a charming gentleman I’m sounding like a total scumbag, that I’m down to fuck tonight because I was originally going to fuck so if they want to replace my girl I’m up for it, preselection because I had another girl coming over to FUCK (I didn’t “have plans” with a girl or “have a date” with a girl, she was “coming over” and has a boyfriend, aka that means fuck, girls pick up on that without me having to explain it), I’m clearly casual about sex, they know that if they DO fuck me I’m going to have other girls on the go so I’m not boyfriend/provider material, I don’t care about social norms/rules about relationships, I don’t care about social judgement because I’m telling them this, I’m not out to seek validation or try to get laid I was just bored, my logistics are prime for pulling if they want to come home with me or don’t want to cab home etc, etc etc etc

So in the span of like a 5 second reply, I’ve just flipped switches that other guys can take an hour, or multiple hours, or multiple dates to flip. Efficiency. But that reply didn’t just come out of thin air…it started as “oh I had plans with a friend tonight but she couldn’t make it” and then morphed into “oh I had a date tonight but she had to cancel because it turns out she has a boyfriend” and eventually I was like “hmm I wonder how efficient and scumbaggy I can make this and still get away with it…” and refined it down into what it looks like now.

@kfg @IAS @Scray
“I mean that the women know they are going to dance with him. They aren’t going to fuck him. There is no end game. He’s “safe.”

This frees them to behave in ways they wouldn’t if they were taking The Ultimate Risk. It’s fantasy play. They get the experience of being the star of a trapeze act without a net, because they know in advance that they cannot. fall.”

This. This is part of what Scray is trying to get across, but it’s hard for guys who aren’t playing the game to understand how the reality of “this guy is trying to ACTUALLY fuck me” makes a difference.

@theasdgamer
“The subcomms deriving from Intent to flirt isn’t all that much different from the subcomms deriving from intent to bang.”

lol no this wrong. There’s a difference. Go to any stripclub and you’ll see a shitload of “intent to flirt” with zero “intent to bang”. Try to seduce/fuck the strippers and you’ll see the difference between how they treated you when they thought you were a safe flirt VS when they realize you actually want to FUCK them and be a part of their “reality” outside of the fantasy land of the stripclub lol

“I’m still waiting to hear from other men that women that they just met in a bar grab their butts/spank/get in their grid etc. just by seeing them . . .”

Dude this happens to lots of us. The reason no one is answering is because we’re reading this and scratching our heads trying to figure out if you seriously think guys in nightclubs etc don’t have girls touch them or grab their ass, crotch, or hand them finger them etc You haven’t discovered plutonium lol


YaReally
on April 26th, 2016 at 1:47 pm
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@Rollo
All good, I saved it just incase ’cause my internet sucks lol:

Shoe0nHead doing her part to spread the good word:

Regardless of what you think of Sargon, Armored Skeptic, or some of the weirdos she’s linking, or her intentions or her relationship, she’s sending her viewers out toward other YouTubers who are questioning the narrative and confronting the FI which is what helps people realize there are others that have the same questions they’ve had behind closed doors.

I said here way back when that Manosphere(MRA? MGTOW? Can’t remember) dude went on the news without his face showing and they tooled him that you can’t beat these people directly, the way to win is to make clear logical concise points that the husband passing by in the background of his wife talking about what a misogynist the speaker is, will hear and think “but they make a good point…” will go to Google and type that guy’s name in or look for more information on what he was talking about and discover this underground pushback.

A lot of her viewers are going to be people still plugged in and not ready for an hour talk on Hypergamy or Sandman’s robotic rants or to listen to some nasally balding ginger PUA ranting about bar sluts or read my 10 page screeds, but they’re at least going to discover that “hey, those feelings you’ve had that something is “off”? Other people have had that feeling too, and here they are with a bunch of videos articulating the things you’ve been thinking about” and find other YouTubers and blogs and eventually find their way to sites like TRM down the road.

The big problem, of course, is that those of us who learn about the red pill tend to avoid popping out babies till we’re ready to retire, while Bob Blue Pill is guilted into marriage in his mid-20s and is spitting kids out (or getting secretly cuckolded and raising someone else’s kids) and teaching them Blue Pill shit lol

Everyone knows I think women in the community hold back progress, but that’s really just women spouting wrong shit (usually solipsistic anecdotes and shit they know will get a rise out of everyone) and holding up and side-tracking actual discussion (like the ones we have drop by here, and I’m still waiting on evidence that Karen was Shoe ’cause I’m skeptical about that). As long as a girl is promoting the right message it’s all good to me. The only reason I entered the Manosphere was to correct shit the big guys were saying when they crossed into territory where they were accidentally misrepresenting PUA stuff or had a misunderstanding of certain concepts. Like 99% of what Rollo talks about I’m cool with, I only push back on certain issues where we disagree. Right now we just need men to get off the plantation, they can be guided down (or discover) healthier paths down the road.

And the reality is Shoe’s vid has 20k views of random people unplugging or close to unplugging in like one day at the time I’m posting this, and that Hypergamy talk has 2k views of the already converted. Lauren Southern’s vids get 50k views and go viral for 700+k views. Tits help lol Sargon’s regularly getting 150k+ views, these people all grabbed huge audiences from that GamerGate mess and are doing a LOT for helping turn the tide (on the Internet at least) especially in the younger upcoming generation that doesn’t want to listen to us old fucks whining. None of US is going to put out videos with our name and face and we aren’t cute girls etc, so these Red Pill Lite YouTubers are important.

What we need is for Shoe0nHead and Sargon and these people making waves to recommend people grab a copy of Rollo’s books. THAT shit would make a difference. How about shooting some free copies to Shoe & Skeptic (since as a couple if one of them reads it they’re likely to influence the other into reading it) and Sargon (dude is pretty Blue Pill but logical and Rollo’s writing isn’t bitter angry Manosphere dribble) etc.

I don’t agree with everything these guys say, and I’m sure they think MGTOWs are retarded and make fun of PUAs and shit, but 90% of their message is on point and they’re pointing people down paths that will get them to stumble across solid red pill content that clears those missing parts up.

And even if those viewers never think Hypergamy is real, they’ll at least know the fucking wage gap is a myth lol

120k now, with 10k Likes, just reloaded lol FEMALE PRIVILEGE!!!


YaReally
on April 26th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
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@Rollo
Just posted it again but it’s gone to mod. Is her name banned or something lol there’s only one link/vid in the post and nothing else that should trigger any mod stuff in theory.


YaReally
on April 26th, 2016 at 3:18 pm
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@Rollo
Could you save Forge’s ass and edit his comment at:

https://therationalmale.com/2016/04/24/fempowerment/comment-page-2/#comment-153239

to remove his description of the venue (from the words “It was a really cool place” to “not unexpected” a sentence later), and remove the description of the appetizer (the entire “Damn. I was hankering for” paragraph that ends with “Nvm.”), and remove the type of beer he was drinking (“She tells me how the food is, the”)?

And since it got quoted, could you remove the same stuff (appetizer description and beer type) from this post too:

https://therationalmale.com/2016/04/24/fempowerment/comment-page-2/#comment-153310

I narrowed down where Forge lives to a 15 minute radius of that venue (since he says he lives within 15 minutes of it) from just the unusual appetizer name and the rest of the details he gave confirmed it, and if I was a malicious SJW/feminist/anti-gamer it wouldn’t be real hard to visit that venue looking for him and either watch for him on a future night or ask the staff about a guy who sat with two birthday girls Sunday night around 10pm because he’s actually a harasser of women who wants to legalize rape like those Roosh and Julien Blance guys and full out doxx him.

Don’t include this identifying info in your Field Reports guys. You’re not writing the next Twilight novel where you have to set the mood and those flowery details aren’t relevant to helping fine-tune your interactions. I get that we’re all a happy fun club of supportive buddies here and it’s easy to forget that this is not a private forum and there are people who will try to doxx you lurking, but be fucking careful. Change dates, describe locations in super vague detail, only what’s necessarily relevant (if you didn’t trip on the staircase when you were in the middle of opening her, we don’t need to know that there’s a staircase in the venue and even then we just need to know you tripped, not over WHAT).

Also feel free to delete this post along with that other stuff Rollo lol

Also what was the evidence that Karen was her? I’m still super skeptical of that lol she hasn’t mentioned TRM anywhere and her Tweets at the time were about boning her boyfriend. It would surprise me if that was actually her.


YaReally
on April 26th, 2016 at 3:20 pm
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@Rollo check the modded posts, just sent one there right now that’s specifically for you thx


YaReally
on April 26th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
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http://gizmodo.com/the-best-place-to-find-stuff-on-reddit-is-promoting-mys-1772992114

ohhhh the salt. lol TRP got like 700+ new subs (and that doesn’t count the new lurkers).


YaReally
on April 27th, 2016 at 12:08 am
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@Culum Struan

“1. You’re suggesting watching porn to normalize sex.”

For a guy with baggage around sex being “wrong” and “dirty” and “shameful”, yes, definitely. A guy with that kind of baggage has had society/influences/etc build up in his mind that sex is this big scary boogeyman and he needs to be around sexual women and see sex and like, watch how much fun half the girls on Chaturbate (voluntary webcams) are having with their sexuality and meet some fun strippers who are cool about sex and think it’s normal that a guy would want to look at naked girls, and realize that it’s not that big a deal and it’s not this big boogeyman.

I actually have a buddy on a diet of porn these days as he tries to overcome this same issue. Minority dude raised in an asexual “sex is wrong/bad/shameful” household. Fucked him up hard, dude can have plenty of “pleasant chats” with girls but can’t pull the trigger because sex is this big deal to him.

The only reason people shamed him (and Softek etc) around sex is so that he would find it easier to be monogamous because being monogamous goes against our nature, but if you can program the guy to feel shame for even THINKING about sex with other girls or looking at other girls, he’s a lot more likely to be a good little tool/ATM for a wife and kids who need him to support them no matter what.

also ASK ME HOW I KNOW WHAT A GUY WHO’S ASHAMED OF SEX IS LIKE lol You’d never guess it if you met me now though, ’cause I pro-actively worked through it and put in my infield hours approaching and escalating on girls instead of circle-jerking about being a victim…’cause if I cried about being a victim in the old forums I would have been laughed off of them. And rightly so. But we coddle eachother way more these days. Don’t worry, special snowflake, we’re here for you, let’s all hug and cry together and help you overcome your problems!! In the old days Tyler HIMSELF would have dropped into one of those conversation threads and said “HAHAHA THEN DIE ALONE AND GET WEEDED OUT OF EVOLUTION YOU FUCKING PUSSY, I’M GOING OUT TO FUCK TENS AT A PRIVATE PARTY IN THE HOLLYWOOD HILLS WITH MYSTERY!! SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO HIT THE FIELD AND WRITE A FIELD REPORT YOU WHINY BITCH” and that would be the amount of sympathy you got lol

You can tell as Tyler gets older he’s going back to his tough love non-coddling because he’s seen so many crybabies who don’t see improvements because they’re being crybabies and getting coddled:

“What thoughts on the school of thought that suggests too much porn is bad for the brain”

Anything is bad for you if it’s interfering with other shit in your life. And after I jizz I don’t have any real urge to go find sex so I keep my fapping/fucking to early in the week so I have some sex drive to go chase poon on the weekends. But other than that, everything in moderation. Unless you have a bunch of baggage around sex, and then SHOVE THAT SHIT INTO YOUR BRAIN until you realize it’s normal and healthy to want and enjoy sex.

“and normalizes your thinking to expect the extreme/constant variety to the point where real women/real life can’t satisfy you anymore? Sites like yourbrainonporn or a Youtube talk by James Marshall or any number of similar sites.”

This isn’t what you’re asking but I think most people who say porn sets unrealistic standards don’t actually watch much porn. This isn’t the 80s where only mass-produced porn with perfect girls faking their orgasms are what guys look at when they look at porn. This is 2016, go to the front page of PornHub right now and maybe 50% of the girls are “unrealistically beautiful”. Even less on other sites. Most of them just look like average girls you see all around you or even ugly chicks, old chicks, fat chicks…some guy watching a bunch of BBW porn isn’t being programmed with some unrealistic expectation of beauty/sex that normal girls can’t live up to lol

But for what you’re actually asking about variety, here are some things to consider:

1) why is there “yourbrainonporn” for men, and not “yourbrainonyourdildocollection” for women? “yourbrainoneroticnovels” “yourbrainon50shadesofgray” “yourbrainonTwilight” “yourbrainonhavingtoomanyorbiters” “yourbrainongettingtoomanymessagesinyourinboxonokcupid”? MEN are the one that it’s a “problem” if they want variety. MEN are the ones that have to change. MEN are the ones that have to fight their biology. hmmm…I wonder why THAT is. Maybe to help create more Softek’s, where the girl can cheat on her boyfriend with him and then shame him for looking at another girl and he goes “hurr durr I’m a Nice Guy who wants to settle down and this girl seems perfect because she wants restraints on my sexuality while she has none on hers and that’s what I’ve been conditioned to accept thanks to the noFap porn is evil crowd!” Be a good little chode, don’t want variety, if you do, you’re DAMAGED!!!! You should WANT monogamy!!! We’re naturally monogamous don’t you know! And gender is just a social construct!! And the wage gap!!! Also you should want to fuck Amy Schumer!!! You don’t get hard for Amy Schumer?? You fucking PIG, you sick fucking PIG with UNREALISTIC STANDARDS from all that PORN. You’d better STOP looking at porn until you’re so desperate that you’ll fuck Amy Schumer you MISOGYNISTIC PIG.

2) where’s the site for “don’t get fat and be ugly and be unpleasant and do everything in bed your man WANTS you to do and put out every time he’s horny, so that he’s more satisfied with the sex you’re providing him and variety is less appealing”? Where’s the site for “don’t watch Amy Schumer movies and quote that fucking “if you can’t accept me at my worst–” quote and make rationalizations for why you should get to be fat and lazy and put no effort in and turn your man down for sex”? Funny how it’s the MAN that has to change HIS behavior. Don’t you want to fuck your shitty girl who’s let herself go? The one who got pregnant and then left all the weight on and stopped putting out and made you involuntarily celibate but still guilts/shames you for looking at porn to get the release that she isn’t providing anymore?

That site doesn’t exist (well, RoK, lol). Instead we have a society encouraging women to do as little as possible, to eat shitty food, to drink their faces off, to embrace all their baggage and damage instead of trying to fix it or get past it, to pop pills to deal with everyday life, and we CELEBRATE them for it. But GOD FORBID a man should at any point not be totally satisfied with locking his dick down to that girl, who’s only going to get WORSE over time, not BETTER, for 40+ years of his life. GOTTA FIX THEM MEN, THEM PERVY PERVY MEN!!!

3) wanting variety is only a bad thing if you aren’t capable of GETTING variety. I love variety, I’m probably EXACTLY what they’re talking about in those studies (I actually use them as my excuse with girls “oh I’ve seen too much porn, that’s why I need variety it’s nothing to do with YOU babe, I’m just super fucked up from porn” ’cause they’ve all seen a documentary or article about it lol). I’m the guy who’s watched a ton of porn and been around pickup culture and stripclubs and had a bunch of short-term relationships etc for years so I get bored with girls fast and want stuff like pLTRs or mLTRs or harems/FBs where I get variety and feel tragged and caged when I’m with just one girl.

But that’s fine because I go sarge and I can GET a variety of girls and by sarging and meeting and fucking girls I’ve learned to arrange situations like an honest pLTR (I’m fucking other girls but the girl is just fucking me) or open FBs where they know I’m seeing other girls etc and are fine with it.

Personally, I’d put the odds of ending up happy on me, understanding those dynamics and settling down into a pLTR with a girl I’ve screened for being cool with me having girls on the side and ideally banging girls WITH me, versus a guy who goes on about how important monogamy is and then feels shameful and scolds himself for looking at other women or has cravings for other women and ends up creepily hanging out at stripclubs because he’s dying for female attention since his wife isn’t giving it to him anymore, or cheating in secret on his business trips.

But nobody cares if MEN end up happy, we’re tools to be used. What they care about is that we stick to monogamy and provide for a woman no matter how shitty she ends up becoming. She stops putting out and lets herself get fat? Well hey, it’s a good thing you didn’t watch porn so you can HAPPILY stay with that girl. Because you’re TOTALLY happy in your dead-bedroom with your fat wife, right? You’re not on reddit in the deadbedroom forum crying about how you don’t understand why the person who used to lust after you and says they still love you won’t touch you and that you’re thinking of getting a hooker because you’re so desperate for human touch and somehow shockingly the girl you settled with didn’t live up the unrealistic expectation Disney gave you and she gave you when she was in the courting phase before you got married, that she would suck your dick every night till it stops working.

Those sites cry about how men who want variety don’t end up happy but they forget to mention that guys who don’t GET variety rarely end up happy either. I can’t even count the number of monogamous married guys who get drunk and tell me “whatever you do, don’t get married, trust me, just keep doing what you’re doing” and are fucking miserable even if they put on a happy face when they have other company over.

If I’m gonna end up unhappy either way, then I know which poison I’LL take lol

4) most Nice Guys who these people are trying to save don’t even view girls and girlfriends the same way they view “those sluts” in porn because of their Madonna/whore complex. I don’t know about you guys, but when I was in high school fantasizing about the girls in my yearbook, I was fantasizing about taking them on romantic cuddle dates and holding hands and watching movies together, not picturing bending them over and railing them up the ass and throatfucking them while I call them a dirty little whore, ’cause I was a Nice Guy and the girls in porn were the ones that do THAT stuff, little Suzy from science class isn’t THAT kind of girl, she’s SPECIAL.

5) as far as any unrealistic expectations of what sex should be like or what girls should be like in bed, you should be HAVING pornstar sex. You should be having the same kind of fucked up weird kinky “no one else is into this, there’s no way, I’m a sick weirdo liking this” sex with girls that you’re watching in porn. Read My Secret Garden and the sequel, watch Chaturbate and amateur porn all day, really let it seep into your brain that that girl you see at the grocery store probably DOES want to do fucked up shit that you think there’s no way she would. That girl has probably watched and gotten off to queensnake (NSFW NSFL lol). They’re not ALL into crazy shit, but a LOT more of them are than guys realize. Part of WHY girls with boyfriends/husbands cheat is because their BFs/hubbies are treating them like special magical delicate angel creatures in the bedroom and they want to do way kinkier shit than that. You should be hooking up with a variety of girls until you learn how to bring those kinky subjects up and probe them for their kinks and FIND girls who are into the shit that you’re into and GET the same kind of crazy “unrealistic” porn sex that you fap to.

6) James went to be a monk in Tibet or some shit and is woowoo as fuck. His low-energy cold approach is rock solid but the dude probably has “spiritual connection” sex with girls and thinks that’s the best type of sex to have lol Him and I would probably disagree a lot on what kind of sex and relationships are fun/fulfilling. But his low-energy cold approach is fucking great.

That’s MY view on the subject lol

“Basically I thought all the 2016 Hot Seats would teach the material that you see in the excerpts from Tyler’s Hot Seat on Youtube..but it ain’t so”

I don’t think the other instructors are capable of teaching what Tyler teaches lol Or as bought into it (each instructor has their own personality/twist on things that’s congruent to them). I think you’d have to attend an actual Tyler Hot Seat to experience that stuff.

No details necessary. Hot Seat is the only thing I would actually pay money for, personally, because it’s basically a much better version of reading Field Reports which were probably the biggest help to me back in the day.

@theasdgamer
“I know lots of people in the dance community, so even if I go to a new place in town, I will have social proof”

That was my point. Most of your cold approaches are actually warm approaches, like Scray says you’re focused on your very specific niche/circumstances, most guys don’t want to build a lifestyle around dancing like you’re doing if they don’t have to. Take your dance moves to a non-country venue, like a high-end nightclub full of 21yo’s where you don’t know any of the staff etc, and actually stick your dick in some 21yo hotties and report back on how it held up. We’re focused on giving guys universal skills VS situational skills.

@Softek
“You couldn’t write this shit. She specifically mentioned not wanting me to watch Californication or go to strip clubs on top of not wanting me to watch porn, lol.”

Shocker, lol She wants to keep you away from things that would convince you that wanting sex is normal and healthy because if you didn’t have all this baggage around sex you might go seek it elsewhere and end up hanging out with girls who aren’t all fucked up like her and go “hey, this is actually pleasant.”

Also the more you jack off the less you need sex (rub one out 3x a day for a few days and see how much you care about seeing her lol) so you taking up porn means her seduction shit has less impact on you. She wants to be your only sexual outlet because you’re going to crave getting off since that’s just a natural thing that happens.

Her goal is to keep you fucked up as long as possible hoping you hit the point where you don’t know how to NOT be a with a fucked up damage case like her so that you can’t enjoy a normal relationship and come running back to her on your knees begging her to give you another chance. This is mostly subconscious shit.

“Part of me just wants to go through the hellish anxiety and guilt and shame and fuck this other girl in secret.”

That’s why most guys cheat, because they’re in scarcity and scared to bang other girls openly incase they lose the girl they’re with so they scurry around in the background. I’m not saying you shouldn’t do it, but understand that she will go apeshit on you for breaking up with her, but 10x the apeshit for cheating on her lol

“But I also don’t want to drive over there. It’s out of my way. And for someone that might not even be a FB, and could just be a one-off thing, meh.”

Ya totally dude. You wouldn’t want to drive over there, it’s OUT OF THE WAY. Fuck THAT!! Like Dane Cook says:

“Girls, you make the craziest excuses to stay. Your friends will try and get you out of it. “Why don’t you just go? Seriously Jill, just go, Jill. He’s a jerk off. Just take your shit and go.” You’re like, “I can’t just go Kim, it’s not that simple. My CDs are in his truck. I can’t just walk away from 40 or 50 CDs. It’s gonna take 2 or 3 more years of abuse until I can leave with my CDs.””

What you should do is just make excuses until you have a girl who wants to suck your dick literally downstairs in your apartment building so you can go “well, but she lives TWO FLOORS down, and like, the elevator, sometimes it’s kind of slow…I think I’ll just get this old chick pregnant instead.”

All your brain cares about is Survival & Replication, not happiness. It doesn’t care if you end up paying child support to a damage case or living with one who puts you through the hell that sends most guys to the Red Pill after their divorce rape 10 years down the road. All it cares about is that you replicate and are still breathing. So every girl will be “out of the way” because your brain thinks its winning right now.

“I can laugh at shit like this, but deep down I’m still a monogamist at heart”

You don’t know what the fuck you are, you haven’t done anything with your life in this area except listen to other people tell you what to think and date a chick who’s telling you what to think.

You think Tyler and I and any of these nerds who comes to PUA walks in going “I want to fuck a thousand bitches, I want to run harems and shit!!! I’m a nerd but I watched an episode of Californication and that undid all of my social programming and now I just want an endless stream of pussy and open relationships and shit!!”? Fuck no. The VAST VAST VAST majority of us got in the game to just find a nice little girlfriend we could settle down with.

But once you stop jockeying and actually go meet a bunch of girls and actually start fucking them and meet some shitty girls and meet some cool girls and have some cool girls turn out to be shitty and have some cool girls STAY cool girls, you start figuring out what your ACTUAL values are. You don’t know SHIT about yourself right now. *I* know more about you than YOU know about you right now lol

“I don’t believe in equalism, but I still want to have what I saw growing up:”

Ya we all did, that’s what we all think when we get into game. Then we actually get out there and find out that you sure as fuck aren’t going to get that from the chick you’re dating who was SUCKING YOUR DICK WHILE SHE WAS WITH A GUY WHO WAS COMMITTED TO HER. And then we start figuring out through life experience what ACTUALLY works for us and what kind of girls might ACTUALLY be capable of that arrangement.

my dad being dominant in the household, and my mom following. But monogamous nonetheless. My dad always prided himself on never having cheated on my mom.”

Do you think you’re going to be the dominant one in the household with your current girl??????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

HAHAHAAHHAAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

Have you even READ your own fucking posts????

You think your girl is FOLLOWING YOU???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA

You think the relationship you and your girl are going to have is going to be YOU being the dominant one and HER following your lead?????

You can’t even walk away from this girl, you can’t even not text her for a week, you can’t even watch TV shows she won’t let you watch or talk to people she won’t let you talk to, and you think she’s going to let you lead the fucking HOUSEHOLD??? lololol Because why, she listened when you laid down the law about a few things, at a time when she’s pro-actively TRYING to lock you down as a long-term provider to give her babies she listened to you WOWWWWWWW you are a lion tamer dude!!!

lol you will be the man of the household the way Al Bundy thinks he’s the man of his household. You will be the man of the household the way her last boyfriend she CHEATED ON was the man of the household lol

I’m being a dick so you remember this. Even if you DO want what your parents had, which is what most of us all wanted when we got into game, myself included, you aren’t going to get it from THIS girl lol You aren’t even remotely on track to getting it from this girl. This girl isn’t even CAPABLE of providing it, she has you chasing shadows and you guys don’t even have a kid together yet where you CAN’T leave. You can walk away at any minute, with a single phone call (“hey, we’re done, bye”) and you can’t lay down authority or stand up for yourself or do what you want…you think you’re gonna boss her around when she has you locked down for child support and the ability to see your kids bare minimum?? lol

“Although he was fucking her cousin at the same time he was dating her. So there’s that. Lol.”

Ya, that’s an IMPORTANT “that” dude lol Almost NO ONE is ACTUALLY doing “monogamy”. They talk a big game but we’re all animals running on instinct. Your parents were from a different generation where that shit was way more important to society and people were still fucking their secretaries and the milk man now and then.

YOUR MONOGAMY LOVING GIRL WAS SUCKING YOUR DICK WHILE SHE WAS DATING A GUY WHO COMMITTED TO HER AND THOUGHT SHE WAS MONOGAMOUS.

“The story my friend told is probably so funny to me because it’s so opposite to how I am, that it has added shock value. Probably opposite to how most guys are.”

You are both very common. And one day you’ll probably understand him and do things similar to him and surprise yourself. We all thought Naturals were “jerks” who “abuse women” etc when we got into game lol We were all Nice Guys(TM) just like you with baggage just like you and a desire for the same white picket fence 2.5 kids strong husband doting wife till death do us part dream that you have. You don’t HAVE a bunch of girls chasing you so you don’t need to give them the number to the pizza place, but when you have a girl you’re not super into you’re already not wanting her to know your address…you’re doing the same thing your buddy did and rationalizing it in the moment, you just haven’t had enough girls chasing you to take it as far as he did.

“Like, you’re almost 70. Can’t do what, exactly? I don’t get it. He didn’t either and said he just stopped talking to her after that outburst and wrote it off as a lost cause.”

lol he just hit The Ultimatum (“I’m falling too in love with you to see you anymore if we can’t officially be together”). Standard stuff, see my archives.

@SJF @Forge
lol I check that shit out for you guys because I care. ๐Ÿ˜› Like I say we’ve had guys go through that shit and the social reprocussions aren’t even the worst part, the worst part is all the girls who thought they were special snowflakes who had a magical moment with this amazing guy, reading their own super logical ice cold detailed Field Reports and having that awesome memory stomped on lol

@Rollo
For real tho, edit those posts I mentioned for Forge ASAP when you see this plz lol

@having a bad day
“those BPD girls don’t just magically disappear when they hit the wall…lol”

lol this is important to remember.

“my point was that he was trying to ‘negotiate desire’ when he asked “and that’s a bad thing?”… and he’s going to run into that situ with younger girls, too… so, he needs to see that pattern to avoid it…”

Right it’s totally a valid point in general don’t get me wrong, I just mean for this PARTICULAR girl I would chalk it up to her baggage…like that chick was coming out on ANY date with ANY guy with 100% massive intent to try to view him in a provider light, because it’s necessary for her Survival to find a provider to take care of her in her old age and rescue her from her shitty life. But like, a 25yo will come out more open to viewing you as a provider or lover depending on what you throw at her, because she’s happy with either one.

But that late 40s average chick is coming out with both guns blazing trying to cram any round peg you give her into her square hole of providership, ESPECIALLY with him being a cool guy and even giving a girl like her a CHANCE (he MUST be a low self-esteem provider type to even bother with her, the whole “I’d never be a member of a club that would let me” thing), so using her as an indicator of “oh man you act too providery around girls” is like ehhh a younger chick who wasn’t gunning for making him a provider, may have seen him as a lover.


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Crazy flailing ham-beast (seriously, you need to see the vid above): “STOP TALKING TO US LIKE CHILDREN!!”

Christina Hoff Summers: “Stop acting like a child and I will.”

Followed by Crowder eviscerating the SJWs in the crowd:

“These opinions you’re yelling out? They’re not even your opinions, they’re your opinions from your gender studies professor and the only reason you picked it was because you thought it was your best chance at getting laid. You just decided to walk on in to pick up chicks at the San Francisco retread, pot smoking drum circle only to realise that your very glance in the direction of a woman causes a barren womb.”

Beautiful. Weird how much the SJWs want to silence a gay dude and a woman/feminist lol


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@blogster @Bromeo
Feel free to contribute something besides your whining, I’m sure we’d all love to read it. ๐Ÿ™‚

Here’s a Tyler video on being a parasite who leeches value from others, you’ll no doubt find it enlightening:


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@fleezer
“this is why pua guys talking shit about naturals comes off as butthurt.”

Why would we talk shit about naturals? We love naturals. Are you the type of delicate flower that takes pointing out logical observable obvious flaws and blindspots as “talking shit” because you want to believe naturals are infallable (which would be a very Natural thing to do lol)?


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@hoellenhund2
“As long as the mainstream media pushes this narrative about young men getting addicted to online porn and thus opting out of the mating market, it will largely stifle any public discourse about the popularity of female emotional porn (romantic literature), and also the real potential causes of widespread porn use, like the drop in average female quality on the mating market and unrestrained hypergamy.”

This. Plus if you can convince and shame enough Softek’s to feel bad looking up online porn and objectifying women and fapping at ALL, when VR porn and robots come in Softek isn’t going to buy one of those and vanish from society where he no longer contributes to holding up a system that helps women survive.

I think the full body robot stuff is kind of silly, but in my early 20s if they had crystal clear VR headsets/audio and like a simple robotic auto-fleshlight synched to webcam girls who whatever they did on the dildo on their end you would feel on your end (this already exists, google it) and it wasn’t quite real but it was better than my hand and pretty convincing when you’re fully immersed with the VR part…I might not have gotten into pickup at all.

’cause it would be a lot easier to just hole up and start little imaginary relationships with webcam girls and shit who know to play that connection up to keep me coming back to donate more. And for the cheaper guys you’ll be able to get pre-recorded sessions, aka POV porn with a set of motions for your auto-fleshlight that sync to what’s going on in the porn. And there’ll be everything from full HD video with real actresses to 3d models of whoever (or whatever, you sicko lol) using motion capture etc to do whatever you want, etc

And we aren’t far from that at ALL, we’ll see that within the next 5 years easily. But a Softek (yes, you’ve now become the short-hand label for “guys who feel ashamed of sex/porn” congrats lol) won’t even check out that product let alone buy it if he feels ashamed enough around sex/porn and has been convinced that sex should only be doled out to him by a real life woman who decides when and how he orgasms, like a dog owner filling the dog’s food dish and tossing him a treat if he rolls over and performs tricks like a good little doggy is supposed to.

It will be verrrrry difficult for women as a whole, who are letting themselves go and bringing less to the table as time goes on, to convince the average porn-loving nerd that it’s worth the hassle to chase them and compete with Chad Thundercocks and go face rejection over and over to get better at learning pickup etc once VR porn takes over. I stress the webcam aspect of it because watching porn doesn’t really fill the need for companionship, but those webcam chicks, just like strippers, know how to make these guys feel like someone understands them and listens to their problems and accepts their weird uncalibrated awkward compliments that real girls chew them up and spit them out for.

And instead of encouraging girls to change and offer more, they’ll go the shaming and controlling male sexuality route because that’s a lot easier lol

The only reason those guys will have to actually try to get with real girls will be to have kids, but they’ll be so stunted from lack of real-world social interaction that girls are going to find it difficult to be attracted to them, but girls are going to be desperate to have kids too so they might just fuck them to get preggers and then legally force them into providing but cuckold them from there, which if they have VR porn they might be fine with, etc etc who the fuck knows where THAT will all lead, we’re in for a surreal ride.

I legitimately expect there to be a point where we’ll go to bars and there will be like a 5:1 ratio of women to men because so many men have checked out and decided to stay at home with “close enough” VR porn.


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@hoellenhund2
“As long as the mainstream media pushes this narrative about young men getting addicted to online porn and thus opting out of the mating market, it will largely stifle any public discourse about the popularity of female emotional porn (romantic literature), and also the real potential causes of widespread porn use, like the drop in average female quality on the mating market and unrestrained hypergamy.”

This. Plus if you can convince and shame enough Softek’s to feel bad looking up online porn and objectifying women and fapping at ALL, when VR porn and robots come in Softek isn’t going to buy one of those and vanish from society where he no longer contributes to holding up a system that helps women survive.

I think the full body robot stuff is kind of silly, but in my early 20s if they had crystal clear VR headsets/audio and like a simple robotic auto-fleshlight synched to webcam girls who whatever they did on the dildo on their end you would feel on your end (this already exists, google it) and it wasn’t quite real but it was better than my hand and pretty convincing when you’re fully immersed with the VR part…I might not have gotten into pickup at all.

’cause it would be a lot easier to just hole up and start little imaginary relationships with webcam girls and shit who know to play that connection up to keep me coming back to donate more. And for the cheaper guys you’ll be able to get pre-recorded sessions, aka POV porn with a set of motions for your auto-fleshlight that sync to what’s going on in the porn. And there’ll be everything from full HD video with real actresses to 3d models of whoever (or whatever, you sicko lol) using motion capture etc to do whatever you want, etc

And we aren’t far from that at ALL, we’ll see that within the next 5 years easily. But a Softek (yes, you’ve now become the short-hand label for “guys who feel ashamed of sex/porn” congrats lol) won’t even check out that product let alone buy it if he feels ashamed enough around sex/porn and has been convinced that sex should only be doled out to him by a real life woman who decides when and how he orgasms, like a dog owner filling the dog’s food dish and tossing him a treat if he rolls over and performs tricks like a good little doggy is supposed to.

It will be verrrrry difficult for women as a whole, who are letting themselves go and bringing less to the table as time goes on, to convince the average porn-loving nerd that it’s worth the hassle to chase them and compete with Chad Thundercocks and go face rejection over and over to get better at learning pickup etc once VR porn takes over. I stress the webcam aspect of it because watching porn doesn’t really fill the need for companionship, but those webcam chicks, just like strippers, know how to make these guys feel like someone understands them and listens to their problems and accepts their weird uncalibrated awkward compliments that real girls chew them up and spit them out for.

And instead of encouraging girls to change and offer more, they’ll go the shaming and controlling male sexuality route because that’s a lot easier lol

The only reason those guys will have to actually try to get with real girls will be to have kids, but they’ll be so stunted from lack of real-world social interaction that girls are going to find it difficult to be attracted to them, but girls are going to be desperate to have kids too so they might just fuck them to get preggers and then legally force them into providing but cuckold them from there, which if they have VR porn they might be fine with, etc etc who the fuck knows where THAT will all lead, we’re in for a surreal ride.

I legitimately expect there to be a point where we’ll go to bars and there will be like a 5:1 ratio of women to men because so many men have checked out and decided to stay at home with “close enough” VR porn.


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@Culum
“Is VR porn stuff really that much of a qualitative difference?”

Privacy/anonymity, no risk of getting tagged as a John or hitting a police sting or dealing with a girl in your apartment who might steal your shit on her way out or rob you or call a pimp to beat you up etc etc And no one will ever know you’re like, fucking a furry or whatever weird shit you wouldn’t ask or be able to get from a hooker lol

It’s probably not going to make the guys who CAN go out and get laid drop girls, but the VAST majority of AFC dudes can’t get a nut to save their lives these days when they can’t cold approach and a girl can open her Tinder and talk to a dozen Chad Thundercocks (according to their highlight reel profiles on their social media).

Those dudes still HAVE to come out to the bar now and then or step up and SOMEHOW engage with girls to have a chance at getting female attention or a chick-produced orgasm.


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@Culum
“Is VR porn stuff really that much of a qualitative difference?”

Privacy/anonymity, no risk of getting tagged as a John or hitting a police sting or dealing with a girl in your apartment who might steal your shit on her way out or rob you or call a pimp to beat you up etc etc And no one will ever know you’re like, fucking a furry or whatever weird shit you wouldn’t ask or be able to get from a hooker lol

It’s probably not going to make the guys who CAN go out and get laid drop girls, but the VAST majority of AFC dudes can’t get a nut to save their lives these days when they can’t cold approach and a girl can open her Tinder and talk to a dozen Chad Thundercocks (according to their highlight reel profiles on their social media).

Those dudes still HAVE to come out to the bar now and then or step up and SOMEHOW engage with girls to have a chance at getting female attention or a chick-produced orgasm.


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@Sentient
“Hot girl on Tinder…”

Yup lol When you’re with a hot girl (or even an average one) look at her Tinder messages and you’ll often see she’s got hundreds of matches and like HALF of them she hasn’t even opened their latest message, like she cares that little or changes her mood or whatever and that guy is done.

Gotta understand how that changes things from their perspective. They’re not on there playing a game of chance like guys are, they are LITERALLY just picking and choosing what they want that day/night. They aren’t going to the grocery store and rummaging through the produce aisle like us, they’re going to a restaurant and ordering the most expensive dish, or the next expensive dish, etc from an endless menu of expensive dishes.

In the oldschool online game days it wasn’t this streamlined and mainstream so it wasn’t at THIS level of insanity. But Tinder turned it into instant “would you fuck?” swipes and fucked shit up.

This is why I say get back to cold approach. All those guys on Tinder are putting up their best pics that half the time don’t even represent their actual life/value, and their subcomms can’t kill them off until a few messages in or even the first meetup etc

If you’re a jacked tall white dude, go ahead and clean up on Tinder. But if you fall outside of that external checklist then fuck it, grab yourself some Mystery Method, PIMP, SHIFT, Krauser, whatever, and get the fuck out there. Separate yourself from the herd…all those guys who are relying on Tinder are going to end up up relying on it and not being able to cold approach down the road. Start building your cold approach skills now.


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@Sentient
“Hot girl on Tinder…”

Yup lol When you’re with a hot girl (or even an average one) look at her Tinder messages and you’ll often see she’s got hundreds of matches and like HALF of them she hasn’t even opened their latest message, like she cares that little or changes her mood or whatever and that guy is done.

Gotta understand how that changes things from their perspective. They’re not on there playing a game of chance like guys are, they are LITERALLY just picking and choosing what they want that day/night. They aren’t going to the grocery store and rummaging through the produce aisle like us, they’re going to a restaurant and ordering the most expensive dish, or the next expensive dish, etc from an endless menu of expensive dishes.

In the oldschool online game days it wasn’t this streamlined and mainstream so it wasn’t at THIS level of insanity. But Tinder turned it into instant “would you fuck?” swipes and fucked shit up.

This is why I say get back to cold approach. All those guys on Tinder are putting up their best pics that half the time don’t even represent their actual life/value, and their subcomms can’t kill them off until a few messages in or even the first meetup etc

If you’re a jacked tall white dude, go ahead and clean up on Tinder. But if you fall outside of that external checklist then fuck it, grab yourself some Mystery Method, PIMP, SHIFT, Krauser, whatever, and get the fuck out there. Separate yourself from the herd…all those guys who are relying on Tinder are going to end up up relying on it and not being able to cold approach down the road. Start building your cold approach skills now.


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@Sentient
A lot of girls think that’s what Tinder is like for US too, like when they think you’re attractive they assume other girls think so too and their only experience of Tinder is basically a 100% match rate, so when you talk about Tinder with them they often can’t wrap their head around the idea that guys send out a hundred swipes and get like 3 matches lol They just assume if they swiped you then OBVIOUSLY every other girl would want to swipe you. Solipsism and all that.


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@Sentient
A lot of girls think that’s what Tinder is like for US too, like when they think you’re attractive they assume other girls think so too and their only experience of Tinder is basically a 100% match rate, so when you talk about Tinder with them they often can’t wrap their head around the idea that guys send out a hundred swipes and get like 3 matches lol They just assume if they swiped you then OBVIOUSLY every other girl would want to swipe you. Solipsism and all that.


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“AR – “he probably won’t be fishing in the right lake for a wife.”

Oh man… now YaReally is going to break out a 24 inch post on madonna whore…”
๐Ÿ˜‰ If you think those girls on OKCupid and Tinder and walking around the book store and Starbucks aren’t ALSO at the bars…lol When you have a million dollars do you STOP trying to earn money or try to earn MORE MORE MORE? Same with girls and surrounding themselves with potential Hypergamy options lol That same unicorn you find on OKCupid that likes long walks on the beach was sucking some fuckboi/exes dick even if she drank wine at home with a girlfriend instead of at the bar etc

In fact the girls who don’t go to bars at all and are on online dating sites, in my experience, tend to be super weird and fucked up (mental issues like anxiety in public/crowds, self-esteem issues not wanting to be around other girls who might be hotter than them, chugging a bottle of wine alone at night with their cats and thinking that’s somehow less sad than the girls doing shots in a bar, or health problems, or they USED to be crazy wild party girls but are now trying to up their market value making guys wait, etc etc, not to mention the physical catfish stuff like missing teeth and being fat and shit, etc).

I found THAT a lot more common than magic unicorns who are too busy reading to orphans and nursing sick puppies back to health while they read enlightening non-fiction and hit the gym all while preserving their low N-count lol

Not all of em of course, but I’ll take my chances with the girls who are more outgoing. I like outgoing girls though, some guys prefer the quiet shy low-key types, to each their own.

also lol I might steal “garden gnomes”.

@kfg
“Not one of the guys at the bar had so much as made the attempt to say “hi” to the girls.”

No one who doesn’t go out ever believes this happens, in their mind those suit guys are all James Bond and all rolled up to that table of girls and the girls fought over themselves for who gets to bang which suited guy. Infield it plays out VERY different lol

@Forge the Sky
“It’s interesting, I laughed at that but a part of me balks at the idea of using it. It’s like ‘nooo I don’t want them to think I’m a scumbag!’”

Ya that’s why I don’t post my actual routines/wording much. Most of what I say/do is very personalized to me, my vibe, and the calibration I’ve built up from years of going out. It’s great for shock value like “omg YaReally ACTUALLY says that??” but it’s not really useful for guys to learn from and most newbies who tried saying/doing the stuff I do would get slapped or beat up lol

@Rollo
“That said, yeah, YaReally’s posts and links can get hella long, and usually the discussion digresses to FRs, but YaReally offers the practical to my theoretical for the greater part. And that’s cool with me.”
โค Like Anonymous Reader said, that Tinder video is showing what I've been saying forever. And I KNOW that shit from looking at girls phones and Tindering with them when we're goofing around. Without guys on the frontline sharing these experiences guys who don't go out to try to actually stick their dick in hot young poon think "ah it's a LITTLE different from when I was younger maybe, but how bad could it BE?" because they have no way to relate to this new age of insane tech.


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@Sentient @Anonymous Reader
“AR – “he probably won’t be fishing in the right lake for a wife.”

Oh man… now YaReally is going to break out a 24 inch post on madonna whore…”
๐Ÿ˜‰ If you think those girls on OKCupid and Tinder and walking around the book store and Starbucks aren’t ALSO at the bars…lol When you have a million dollars do you STOP trying to earn money or try to earn MORE MORE MORE? Same with girls and surrounding themselves with potential Hypergamy options lol That same unicorn you find on OKCupid that likes long walks on the beach was sucking some fuckboi/exes dick even if she drank wine at home with a girlfriend instead of at the bar etc

In fact the girls who don’t go to bars at all and are on online dating sites, in my experience, tend to be super weird and fucked up (mental issues like anxiety in public/crowds, self-esteem issues not wanting to be around other girls who might be hotter than them, chugging a bottle of wine alone at night with their cats and thinking that’s somehow less sad than the girls doing shots in a bar, or health problems, or they USED to be crazy wild party girls but are now trying to up their market value making guys wait, etc etc, not to mention the physical catfish stuff like missing teeth and being fat and shit, etc).

I found THAT a lot more common than magic unicorns who are too busy reading to orphans and nursing sick puppies back to health while they read enlightening non-fiction and hit the gym all while preserving their low N-count lol

Not all of em of course, but I’ll take my chances with the girls who are more outgoing. I like outgoing girls though, some guys prefer the quiet shy low-key types, to each their own.

also lol I might steal “garden gnomes”.

@kfg
“Not one of the guys at the bar had so much as made the attempt to say “hi” to the girls.”

No one who doesn’t go out ever believes this happens, in their mind those suit guys are all James Bond and all rolled up to that table of girls and the girls fought over themselves for who gets to bang which suited guy. Infield it plays out VERY different lol

@Forge the Sky
“It’s interesting, I laughed at that but a part of me balks at the idea of using it. It’s like ‘nooo I don’t want them to think I’m a scumbag!’”

Ya that’s why I don’t post my actual routines/wording much. Most of what I say/do is very personalized to me, my vibe, and the calibration I’ve built up from years of going out. It’s great for shock value like “omg YaReally ACTUALLY says that??” but it’s not really useful for guys to learn from and most newbies who tried saying/doing the stuff I do would get slapped or beat up lol

@Rollo
“That said, yeah, YaReally’s posts and links can get hella long, and usually the discussion digresses to FRs, but YaReally offers the practical to my theoretical for the greater part. And that’s cool with me.”
โค Like Anonymous Reader said, that Tinder video is showing what I've been saying forever. And I KNOW that shit from looking at girls phones and Tindering with them when we're goofing around. Without guys on the frontline sharing these experiences guys who don't go out to try to actually stick their dick in hot young poon think "ah it's a LITTLE different from when I was younger maybe, but how bad could it BE?" because they have no way to relate to this new age of insane tech.


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@Rollo
Dude, stop lol man, I love you but you’re embarrassing yourself in terms of being up to date on internet culture and shit here. Shoe is NOT Boxxy man. Boxxy is a different chick who’s STILL MAKING VIDEOS.

This is Boxxy:

Here’s LITERALLY a video of Shoe TALKING TO BOXXY (top-right video window is Shoe):

She was a huge Boxxy fan and made Boxxy related videos and she does look similar to her and shit but she’s NOT BOXXY lol She actively makes fun of people who STILL haven’t gotten the memo and STILL think she’s Boxxy.

This is Shoe imitating Boxxy from her fangirl days:

I’ve been following Shoe’s stuff since the Oppression Olympics vid ’cause she’s funny as fuck. That’s why I was asking what makes you think Karen was her, ’cause Karen’s shit (quoting weird historic figures etc) isn’t really Shoe’s style of humor (she would probably just come on her as herself to shitpost and ask us if we have skulls like Aurini).

You read this one waaaaay wrong dude lol If anything Shoe SHOULD be looking at the threads here bashing her and making a video about how riled up a bunch of “alpha males” got over her when it wasn’t even HER lol


YaReally
on April 28th, 2016 at 3:42 pm
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@Rollo
lol oh man, stop, that’s not her, dude. Made a post with vid links/proof etc in mod for ya๐Ÿ˜€


YaReally
on April 28th, 2016 at 4:20 pm
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@Softek
You have some fucked up views about sex/biology so I’m gonna just ask this flat out ’cause I’m curious:

You understand that when dudes don’t orgasm, they get horny as fuck and the urge to orgasm becomes overwhelming, right? Like, porn or no porn if a guy is abstaining from fapping he goes through intense urges TO fap…like the first couple days after orgasming are whatever, often he doesn’t even care about girls/sex, and then it starts building up and then like a week or two of NoFap and the guy is clawing at the walls and full of frustrated energy and easily agitated and shit until he faps (or has sex) again.

Like, you know that’s NORMAL, right? Ya his brain might go to “I should look up some porn on PornHub” but that’s more just because it’s a convenient outlet for taking care of that 100% natural urge that builds up. (and for younger dudes this can all happen over the span of a few hours/days instead of like a week lol I have a pretty chill sex drive compared to some of my buddies who in a couple days/hours are where I’m at after a week)

I’m just making sure you know that this isn’t like, the devil taking over you or Weak Sinners Juice building up in you or some weird religious shit lol This is 100% normal. It’s why in Rocky, Mickey says no women before the fight ’cause women weaken legs. For a lot of dudes after they jizz they enter lazy time and lose that pent up energy edge that could be handy in a fight.

No idea on porn addiction but I’ll say this much: if you have pussy LINED UP to suck your dick, a girl right in front of you touching your cock and saying “baby I want this in my mouth so fucking bad” and you’re turning those girls down to fap to porn, then ya, that’s probably a porn addiction.

But if you’re a dude who has no real access to sex and you’re fapping away for 8 hours a day to porn, in my mind you’re just a horny dude with no outlet for that horniness who’s finding a really low effort way of solving it (and because it’s low effort it’s easy to get caught up in spending all day on it or turning to it frequently because it’s right there for free on your computer 24/7).

Like if you’re some dude with a fat ugly wife and you turn her down for porn, you’re not porn-addicted, you’re a guy who’s horny like he naturally is SUPPOSED to be and you just don’t have an outlet for taking care of that because your wife is “doing it” for you.

I’m pretty skeptical that any guy with porn addiction would turn down a busload of hot 18yo college cheerleaders all begging to suck his dick, to go look at PornHub.

I’m not saying you, specifically, Softek, should be looking up Porn (really you should be hitting stripclubs and shit with live human girls to help normalize sex), although it would probably help you escape this shitty damaged chick before she gets preggers and locks you down, but like, I’m pretty skeptical of the porn addiction thing. I don’t have a McDonald’s problem because I eat their shitty cheap hamburgers all the time, I have a “don’t have access to a delicious steak dinner” problem lol

That all said, if it helps get a guy to go out or be productive, then cool, NoFap it up. I avoid porn/fapping from like Wednesday on or I won’t have the sex drive to care about picking up girls lol

I just hate guys being misdiagnosed with some “problematic” addiction/disease when they’re really just normal dudes. I went through a lot of shameful feelings built up around sex that I had to get over when I started out, most FI-raised guys do.

@Pallaeon @Softek
Like I hate that guys with ugly fat wives get diagnosed with ED like THEY’RE the problem, when they have no problem fapping to PornHub…if you can get hard for PornHub then there’s SOMETHING MENTAL going on keeping you from getting hard for your chick, whether it’s that she’s ugly or that she’s smokin hot and you’re pressuring yourself too much like performance anxiety or she’s demanding (or you IMAGINE she is) and you feel too pressured to focus on the pleasure or she’s totally cool and you just have baggage from other times you couldn’t perform built up and worry that it’ll happen again and again take your mind off the pleasure or whether she MAKES you feel shitty about sex like it’s begrudging sex or whether you’re thinking about competing with her past lovers or worrying that she’s judging you and will tell her friends etc etc

I say deal with THAT shit (even if it means upgrading to hotter women) instead of writing yourself off as damaged and blaming porn. If you can feel 100% comfortable and confident with a busload of your personal 10/10 cheerleaders stroking your dick and making you feel super comfortable and safe and relaxed and not judged without a care in the world fully focused on the pleasure, and you STILL can’t get hard, then okay, you have legitimate ED. Like if you can meet a stripper who makes you feel totally safe and non-judged and flirts with you and turns you on and SHE can get you hard, but you couldn’t get it up for that 10 in your bed the other day, you probably don’t have ED, you probably were just worried about performing and over-stressing yourself mentally to get hard and running panic thought-loops about disappointing this super hot 10 and for multiple reasons didn’t feel mentally as safe and chill fully enjoying the moment as you did with that stripper who helped create that feeling for you (and the same feeling you have when you’re PornHubbing it up by yourself where you don’t have to worry about performing or anything and are mentally fully focused on the pleasure and looking up girls you think are hot etc).

I think a lot of dudes don’t realize that it’s not just girls’ orgasms that are mental. Dudes’ are too. If your brain is stuck in stressed out thought-loops about performance and shit and it veers off into “oh god it’s not getting hard why isn’t it getting hard c’mon oh god what’s she thinking she must think I’m so lame fuck c’mon I need to get hard ahhhh!!!!” territory in the back of your brain, like, you’re not gonna get it up lol

A LOT of guys report that they don’t even CUM the first time they have REAL sex. Because there’s SO MUCH PRESSURE they end up jackhammering away for half an hour dying for it to happen, to validate their worth FINALLY losing their virginity, and all that pressure makes them unable to actually climax. But no one wants to admit THAT in public lol

“Same here. I will say though that I did find getting a few lap dances at strip clubs helpful in alleviating some of my sexual shame and anxiety. I think the big difference is having an actual person there in front of you, and you can see it’s not really a big deal for the girl. Like ya, it’s work for her, but it’s not like she’s on the verge of breaking down and crying “help, his objectifying gaze is oppressing me!” It’s just a job that can be annoying sometimes, and sometimes they actually seem to enjoy it.”

Right, this is why I’m specifically recommending Softek hit up Chaturbate for porn and stripclubs, VS like, pre-recorded stuff on PornHub. Chaturbate is all cam girls (and couples and shit if you’re into that, like in terms of understanding how not a big deal sex is it can help to be like “holy shit all these couples not only ENJOY porn together but actually set up webcams and shit streaming themselves…meanwhile my girl won’t even let me LOOK at another girl??? These couples seem normal and happy, maybe my relationship ISN’T that great after all…”) who just WANT to be sexual putting up cams. Even strip clubs these days, ya you’ll meet a lot of fucked up girls still, but a lot of them are just doing it for fun because if they JUST care about the money they could do webcam etc with way less risks/hassle, so they’re working specifically at a stripclub because they like talking to people and the exercise etc

I mean, they’re still fucked up, but I’m not saying go DATE them, I’m just saying it can be good to spend some time interacting with them and flat out ASKING them about sexual stuff and seeing REAL LIVE GIRLS admitting that sex is fun and cool and not a big deal. And then you see COUPLES, at the STRIP CLUB, and you think “man, this guy and girl look happy together and on their date they came to a stripclub to look at hot girls together and get lapdances together…and MY girl would blow up my phone telling me I’m a dirty fucking pig who disgusts her for even walking INTO a stripclub…wtf??” and it forces you to ask yourself some pretty uncomfortable questions about your relationships lol

Did I walk into pickup thinking “I’m gonna have multiple fuckbuddies who all know about eachother and I’m going to have relationships where the girl knows I’m fucking other girls but she only fucks me!”? Fuck no. I had the exact same LTR goals and dreams that Softek has. But over the years of EXPOSING MYSELF to more and more girls and more and more people who are cool with sex in general (like infield you’ll just naturally eventually meet all sorts of people, from strippers to swingers to people in open LTRs to players with harems to girls with harems to lez/bi chicks to fetish scene people etc), I realized that other guys were in LTRs with girls that let them do WAY MORE FUN STUFF than I ever imagined girls would let a guy do (because I was picturing the unicorn good girl who thought sex was shameful like I did).

Like I had NO IDEA these mindsets even EXISTED out there until I went out and was exposed to them and realized that some of the stuff I saw other people doing (like you assume swingers must hate eachother or have problems, and then you meet a couple who’s super into eachother as fuck and find out they’re also swingers and it’s like wait what but what about monogamy how can you two look more “in love” than most of the mono couples I know but be fucking other people wtf IS this?? and then you meet swingers who DO hate eachother and who ARE in a problem situation and you learn the world isn’t black and whtie).

That’s why I say Softek doesn’t even KNOW what he wants right now. What he wants is what society and his upbringing programmed him to think he wants. The very fact that he didn’t go “okay let’s LTR up into monogamy then!” with this chick who’s demanding it says that there’s a conflict between what he thinks he wants and what his instincts are telling him he wants. He won’t figure that shit out till he has a few years infield meeting and fucking a bunch of women and learning what EXACTLY makes him happy.


YaReally
on April 28th, 2016 at 4:35 pm
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@Rollo
“I picked it up from Roosh’s thread. Apparently there’s still some speculation that Boxxy is Shoe’s younger net persona.”

RVF is the Jezebel of the Manosphere, they do the same level of research there and like to just post click-bait to get upset about lol

Shoe’s been getting the Boxxy accusations since she entered the whole anti-feminism scene and literally a one second google search clears up that they’re not the same people. Again, the original Boxxy was still making videos while Shoe was rising up in popularity, they are 100% not the same person lol

“I took Karen out of mod. Still not convinced she’s Shoe, but I’ll put her on probation for now.”

Oh I’m sure Karen is a troll, don’t get me wrong. I would keep her banned. But I don’t think she’s SHOE. Shoe’s Twitter had her like off banging her boyfriend and shit when Karen was posting, that was why I was like “what exactly IS the evidence?” ’cause there were no screencaps of anything here on her feed and she posts her trolling there for her fans to lol at (like the Aurini skull stuff).

That’s why I was asking though. I mean guys can hate on Shoe I don’t care, but when guys are posting “hey Karen nice fucking video you dumb slut look at Karen!!!” and picking apart her videos and I can’t post a relevant Shoe vid because she’s blacklisted it’s just a huge facepalm. We look like the bunch of out of touch parent’s basement crotchety bitter old men who don’t understand the Internet and modern times, that haters make MRAs/Manospherians out to BE lol

If Shoe WASN’T planning to make fun of the Manosphere, she sure as shit WOULD BE posting a vid making fun of us after seeing that uproar in that Karen comment section. And it would be 100% deserved for not doing 5 min of proper research before loading up the hate train lol

Also her Twitter feed is funny as fuck. Highly recommend it. I don’t care if she “grows out” of anti-feminism down the road, she provides the lolz hardcore right now.

Also WB. lol


YaReally
on April 28th, 2016 at 4:37 pm
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@Anonymous Reader
“Or he has a really interesting dream and wakes up with sticky sheets”

Right, forgot that happens lol I have a Natural buddy who never looks at porn or faps. Because he has multiple girls lined up all week long to fuck him, he doesn’t NEED porn. If THAT guy turns down all these girls dying to suck his dick to fap to porn, then ya, ok, I’ll say he has a porn addiction.

But some dude who’s starving to death and keeps pigging out at the free buffet isn’t a dude with an “eating problem”, he’s a dude with a “not enough food available” problem. Guess what I think THAT dude needs to be doing……..๐Ÿ˜‰


YaReally
on April 28th, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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@Rollo
Also for real send that group a free copy of your books. If you can get ANYONE in that anti-feminism/anti-SJW crowd (Shoe, Armored Skeptic, Sargon, etc) to check it out they’ll probably give it a fair review/mention if they like it. They’re pretty open to opposing logical viewpoints and discussion (Sargon does interviews with all kinds of guests from all kinds of backgrounds/ideologies/etc) and your work is some of the most RATIONAL (HURR DURR) writing on the Manosphere that isn’t full of overreactive “WOMEN ARE PREDATORS TRYING TO TAKE MUH RESOURCES” negative weird shit and most of them are semi-red-pill (more purple pill, but like, that’s to be expected outside of the sphere).

I can’t imagine Sargon wouldn’t do a very fair/open interview/livestream with you and Skeptic has dealt with a crazy psycho bitch (his ex blew up all over that scene recently trying to smear him and false accuse him of shit) so like, your books are probably gonna resonate with them or at least be interesting to read/debate.

And their audiences are going to be the most receptive to the stuff you write about in terms of mainstream mass audiences, ’cause their fans are rebelling against this whole feminist/SJW culture (VS an Oprah crowd that would reject you and your writing).

Someone like Rollo has too much negative baggage tailing him for them to listen to him and MGTOWs make themselves look like creepy weirdos with all their rambling angry videos, that’s the only real reason they make fun of those guys, it’s easy lolz.

But you could hit a pretty huge audience that’s open to reading your stuff if you’re able to put away the inaccurate Shoe hate (since she’s not the one that was trolling us, like she should have a clean slate with you in your mind) and go tap into that market.

Ya they aren’t full red pill, and they’re not GOING to become full red pill, and some of them might have other viewpoints or motives that aren’t awesome (I like Hoff Summers but more just for her Factual Feminist series and how she handles the SJW haters, I don’t really care about her other stuff ’cause those vids themselves are helping convert people and all I care about is getting guys off the plantation right now, if Sarkeesian herself put out a vid quoting Rollo on Hypergamy and it all aligned with proper red pill shit I would link it to guys lol), but everyone in that scene drops a lot of red pill stuff in their content, that’s why I throw it on my headphones at work.

I’m no marketing strategist genius but that’s what I’D do lol They have direct access to the next generation of teenagers and early-adult men to spread ideas to and WAY bigger fanbases than anyone in the Manosphere (guys in the Manosphere with big fanbases have big fanbases of already-converted people).

@Blaximus
“Easy on the ” old guys don’t get the super cool, sweet tech ” stuff. Lol.”

lolโค My point is just that like, like some 45yo guy who's been divorced raped and is working 2 jobs to pay alimony and venting about his frustrations tend to not be reading Shoe's Twitter feed and understanding how Tinder has actually changed things in terms of the whole sexual "battlefield" or how webcam culture has grown or following reddit/GamerGate/etc Like ya you work in tech, but do you know the young kids' culture around it? Do you know what GamerGate was about or who, say, Candace Owens is and what her relevance this week is, or how Twitter has put Anita Sarkeesian on their "safety council" and how reddit is being censored by SJWs and how the general reactions on places like reddit or comment sections on articles are reacting to false rape accusation stories or what 8chan is what Nero is out there doing, what Rebel Media and Gavin/Lauren are doing there, etc?

I follow this stuff 'cause it's fun junk food for my brain (I'd rather read discussions and shit on the internet in my spare time than play x-box or watch sports or netflix or get high or whatever guys do lol) and infield I run into a lot of the <25yo crowd where you can see some of these influences reflected (like seeing the Tinder match list of a hot 21yo and understanding how that's different than, like, Plenty of Fish pre-smartphones was and what effects that's had on pickup and the SMP etc).

I'm not hating, it's just like, "this girl ran out of an audience on 4chan so now she's here to manipulate a new audience into believing her lies she doesn't actually believe this stuff she's just after our resources" shows like, WILD lack of understanding of current internet culture. Which is totally understandable, old guys got other shit to do, if I had a wife and kids I probably wouldn't bother reading this shit myself.

But TO that culture, the Manosphere/MRAs/etc recording their shitty potato-quality videos and their awkward "Can you hear me?? How about now?? Women are stupid bitches!!" angry Google chats and like, Aurini and Roosh's super-awkward attempts at frame controlling a shit-posting girl who's tooling circles around them, it looks like a bunch of out of touch old akward dudes who don't understand tech and are behind current culture.

"New isn’t always better. Some of us old guys know better."

OK GRAMPA

@Softek
"I wonder if premature ejaculation is a potential side effect of too much porn"

lol who knows, who cares man. It happens. Just say "shit, you're just too damn hot ;)" or blame "lol it's 'cause I haven't fapped in a week and then you come around being all sexy, I'm surprised I even lasted THAT long" or "whoops lol that's what happens when you tease me all night in that dress, when we were at dinner I was rock hard checking you out" Boom. Problem solved. Girls love thinking they're so sexy and had you so turned on that you blew early. Then you just make up for it next time, no biggie.

I've had the opposite too, not being able to finish. I just say "whoops must be the booze lol" or "it's cause I fapped like 3x today I knew I shoulda' waited but PornHub called to me lol" or "whew, shit, no don't worry it's not you, I'm just wiped from work" or "ya don't worry about it, I just take a while to finish, here lemme take over give your arm a rest, come up here and nibble my neck and talk sexy" and rub it out yourself and get her to finish you or blow your load on her, whatever, and make up for it next time, no big deal they don't REALLY care.

But again guys don't realize their ability to orgasm is mental and we have all this societal bullshit (from guys who DON'T GET LAID) scare-mongering guys into being terrified that they might not have a perfect flawless sexual performance and should be ashamed and the girl will laugh at them and tell all her friends and never come back again etc etc and it gets in our head and we freak out and panic when in reality girls don't give a shit at ALL if you just hold your frame that it's no big deal.

"But I’d still feel like shit after whacking off so much."

lol again this is pretty natural man. Even Louis CK has a routine about the instant you finish cumming and are like "oh god what am I doing with my life" and feel ashamed and shitty lol Not saying you weren't wasting your time or anything, but again you've been programmed with some fucked up views so I want to make sure you understand that this is a NORMAL THING that happens and not like, the devil consumed you and you should feel bad that you fapped. As long as you understand those things about your body, and make those decisions with that understanding, cool.

There's a reason everyone laughs at that joke lol

"Porn withdrawal feels very real to me too btw. The urges are insane. I get so many of them every single day it takes 100% focus and self control to NOT bust one out to porn."

Again like, this is pretty normal if you aren't fapping. You said earlier that you try to go like two weeks without fapping. Almost NO GUY gets to two weeks with no orgasm and NOT thinking "holy fuck do I want to look at porn or something right now I am so fucking horny" It's not necessarily the porn, the porn is just a free convenient outlet to take care of that natural horniness that builds up.

I'm just going over this because I have no idea what you've been taught about your body/urges/etc but I've met dudes with some seriously fucked up belief systems programmed into them that they've had to unwire lol


YaReally
on April 28th, 2016 at 8:41 pm
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@stuffinbox
That was a good read.

@Pellaeon
“I’ve gone to strip clubs where I’ve had no pressure on me to perform, and I haven’t been able to get hard watching the hot naked chicks dancing in front me”

Me neither. OH SHIT I HAVE ED!!!!11 Or it’s just not that sexy an environment and I don’t view it as that big of a deal and need more than seeing a vagina to get hard lol

“I can understand why you don’t want to believe the possibility of there being some brain chemistry involved in this shit.”

I didn’t say it wasn’t possible. I just don’t think it’s NEARLY as common as the current push for NoFap and “porn is evil!!!” is making it out to be and I don’t like guys who don’t have regular access to HOT pussy self-diagnosing (or being diagnosed by blue pill therapists) as being addicted when the REAL issue is that they don’t have access to an outlet for their horniness besides the extremely convenient free porn on their computers…everybody wants to be a special snowflake victim these days.

I’m not saying that’s YOU, you might actually have a problem, but the vast majority of guys who are freaking out about porn and pushing NoFap are usually the same guys who don’t actually have girls they think are hot lined up to suck their dick, just like the guys who go “monk mode” on TRP are usually the same guys who don’t have any girls to go monk mode ON lol


YaReally
on April 28th, 2016 at 9:49 pm
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@Softek
“I do see your point too, and how would I know what kind of girls I think are really hot when I’ve only seen a couple naked IRL?”

I’m not even just talking about looks. Personality and sexual chemistry and shit go a long way too. You haven’t experienced enough women from a place of understanding yourself to know what REALLY clicks with you. You’ve got this mediocre girl that your brain is blowing up into a special snowflake because she occasionally tells you what you want to hear and your brain blocks out all the obvious evidence that she’s full of shit and you’re not allowed to look at other girls or go fuck them so why would you ever think other girls were better than her? Why WOULD you leave her?

“I was working in the yard the other day and what looked like an 18-19 y/o walked by and smiled at me, and it was like, fuck, I wish I had a piece of that. I would tear that shit up.”

This is what I’m talking about. When you have to chase around an average girl to get laid and put in work, ya PornHub is a way better alternative. That’s just basic logic/economics. But if you had that 18yo who smiled at you hovering over you in bed asking “can I please suck your dick??” would you go “ehh, get out of here, I’m going to look up PornHub” lol

I mean it doesn’t sound like you manage porn well, but it just sounds like any addiction to anything that gives you good feels. You could juggle for 21 days (or however long the neuroplasticity shit takes to kick in) and enjoy the thrill of it and then stop and REALLY MISS juggling and be thinking about juggling all day and want to juggle etc Juggling itself isn’t evil.

That doesn’t mean you should whip out the porn, but just that I don’t think porn is any more addicting than anything else that feels good like junk food etc And even junk food isn’t that appealing when you’re stuffed full from a good meal…but when you’re starving or getting that meal requires effort and the junk food is sitting RIGHT THERE in front of you…….lol

“I will also say again that quitting porn isn’t enough, and isn’t the ultimate idea — the ultimate idea is to get off porn and then re-wire to IRL experiences.”

You mean like replacing watching porn with opening a hot 18yo that walks by and smiles at you? ๐Ÿ˜‰ lol Except wait, you’re not allowed to, because your girlfriend will get mad. But then she’ll get mad if you vent those urges into porn. Maybe you should just chop your dick off and take up woodworking lol

“Which is the girl I’ve been seeing’s WORST NIGHTMARE. That I would ever think another girl is hotter than her. So I’m guilt tripping and shaming myself for EVER feeling like that, maybe because that’s what she’s subconsciously conditioned me to do.”

You got it lol All she has to do is keep you away from other girls and shaming yourself etc long enough for you to “accidentally” knock her up. Then she’s got what she needs and you can be her perfect sexless provider cuckold because how could she stay attracted to a guy who doesn’t have the self-esteem or the options to leave a girl who tells him to go fuck himself and that he’s a disgusting pig etc?

@Rollo
Like I say, I would keep Karen blacklisted lol but for being a dude pretending to be a girl, not for being Shoe.


YaReally
on April 29th, 2016 at 4:29 am
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@Softek
“What’s even worse is I’m actually a good looking guy.

Not to sound like an entitled prick. I’ve put on some weight and am rocking a pretty good beer belly these days, but even thinking back to a year or two ago, I’ve gotten compliments from girls on my looks plenty of times. And it frustrates me feeling like I’m supposed to be one of the LUCKY guys that has an unfair advantage that other guys get pissed off about and write about on Word Press or wherever the fuck it is people go to complain about shit.

Like one time I chatted up a girl at the mall, and she said I had beautiful eyes, and to stop looking at her because I was making her blush. We just went back and forth about BS and I kept making direct eye contact, smiling at her, her smiling back, etc.

She ended up giving me her name and number. I didn’t even ask for it. I ended up dropping the ball on that and not doing anything about it and losing the paper she gave me after a week or so.

Shit like that. She was probably around 18 and was knockout gorgeous but I was so fucked up at the time I couldn’t Close a paper bag even if someone else Opened it for me.

Another time at a Halloween party one of the hottest girls there wanted to dance with me. I hate dancing because it makes me anxious. I just figured it out and put up with it and she started rubbing me all over and then put her head down on my shoulder.

I backed away or pushed her away or something because I was nervous because her BF was at the party too and was in the other room. Lol. They were engaged and guess what? Later that year they broke the engagement off. Could’ve got that shit while the getting was good.

Had girls come onto me with strong dead giveaway IOI’s like rubbing my legs and shit and I just didn’t do anything.”

And yet, nobody believes me when I tell them how COMMON this is with good-looking dudes and how frustrating it is for them to NOT be getting results when they have all these advantages according to everyone else. Lots of them will even lie about their results because they don’t want to admit like “hey, I have this bazooka you all wish you had, but don’t know how to kill that bunny that’s following me around” and the self-loathing and depression and low self-esteem that comes with that (since if you can’t succeed with all those advantages according to everyone else (who don’t understand that Game is more important than Looks), what kind of LOSER must YOU be??)

This stuff is so common and it’s why I don’t panic when I see a guy like you in the bar and go “O SHIT IT’S A GOOD LOOKING DUDE, BETTER PACK UP MY THINGS, NO ONE’S GETTING LAID TONIGHT BUT HIM!!!” lol It’s very rare to find good-looking rich dudes who ALSO have solid game and specifically can deal with interruptions/obstacles (VS just taking home the girl giving them the free gimme iois or taking the lead, with no one interfering).


YaReally
on May 1st, 2016 at 5:19 pm
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@Softek
“Like there are people doing this, having sex right now, lol.”

That’s why I sent you specifically to that site. I’m not trying to help you jack off lol, it’s about opening your eyes to what’s going on around you 24/7 and understanding how normal a lot of your urges and desires that you’re ashamed of are.

“Also how a few guys on there have some threesomes going and there isn’t all this tension and drama and stress. And some dude just talking about the show or answering questions and shit while getting blown by one of the chicks in the video like it’s no big deal.”

Yup, again that’s the stuff guys who don’t feel comfortable with monogamy should see. There’s a whole nother world out there of relationship styles and they aren’t the doom & gloom sky is falling stereotypes that the media puts out (anyone who runs a harem is an evil player abusing the girl, anyone who has an open relationship is miserable and unhappy etc etc). A lot of them are healthy and better than a lot of shitty monoLTRs I’ve seen. You can have any kind of relationship you want if you learn to hold your frame, establish and enforce your boundaries, and screen for a girl who’s cool and on a similar page as you (hint: not your girl, who’s currently shaming and guilting and pressuring you to do what she wants with no regard for what you want).

@xsplat
lol back for more? I thought I ran you off long ago.

“From what I see all PUAs have a paltry sex life, and none have a bottom bitch”

You are an idiot. Most PUAs have multiple on-going regular girls in their lives and often have a main girl for years while they bang side poon and some have threesomes with their girls with the other girls etc You have no idea what you’re talking about, just like last time you were around spouting bullshit I had to call you out on.

“No PUA or married man is going to have more than a sniff of a clue about MLTR skills”

lol ok everyone quit reading Blackdragon’s stuff on mLTRs and sign up for xsplat’s blog. Stop embarrassing yourself man, this is the INTERNET. People can just google shit and find out you’re lying and making shit up.

@Blaximus
“Why in the world would anyone take vid/pics of themselves engaging in illegal activity? What is wrong with people?”

“All of the ” look at me, look at me!!!!” nonsense is a bit much.”

“Take this Sh0e chick. Why would anyone care? This is just a chick to me. I don’t even find her entertaining, which means nothing, but again it’s about her ” youtube vids ” and her ” twitter feed ” and blah, blah, blah.”

You’re just proving my point. You are old so you don’t have an interest in this culture that is very real to them. You just glance at it and go “this is stupid lol” and brush it off, so the relevance and deep reprocussions that something like GamerGate causes is something you don’t really have the interest/time/energy to learn about, so you can brush it off as silly internet drama and LARPing (which doesn’t really even make sense in this context lol).

It’s sort of like how people say whiny MRAs haven’t done anything, because they weren’t paying attention to how internet culture has shifted from no one daring to disagree with feminist propaganda to all the pushback that floods those comment sections and gets upvoted etc now and how big a part those whiny MRAs played in starting the ball rolling on that (regardless of what they’ve become now or what other parties have jumped into the spotlight since then).

I’m not saying you SHOULD know all of this stuff, why should you, you’re a dude with a family who’s lived a long life and has other shit to care about. But that was my original point, that you don’t care why Shoe skyrocketed in views because it’s silly to you, but the open pushback against feminism is a very real thing and is changing shit in the next generation’s culture that you don’t care about and sum up as “why would they be so stupid? What is wrong with people?? Why would they take those photos lol they’re stupid whatever zfg now lemme tell ya about the good ol days” lol

Why is it such a sore spot to admit that you might not fully understand a thing you openly actively admit that you don’t care about? I don’t know anything about poetry, if someone said “ya you don’t really need to know about poetry so you don’t understand it as well as someone who’s well-versed in that stuff all the time and don’t really know the poetry scene you pass by and glance at through the window, as well as someone who’s in there hanging out with everyone” I’d be like ya, that’s a valid point, I don’t know everything about every subject I take a glance at and there’s nothing wrong with that.

But it’s like “WHAT?? YOU THINK I DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE THESE DAYS??? I HAVE A DAUGHTER YOU KNOW!! I READ A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON THE SUBJECT AND I’VE DECIDED IT’S STUPID SO IT’S JUST STUPID WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THIS WHO CARES THIS IS DUMB WHATEVER YAREALLY YOU’RE DUMB FOR IMPLYING I WOULDN’T UNDERSTAND ALL THIS STUFF THAT I’M NOW RANTING ABOUT AND SHOWING THAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND” like I’m some kind of asshole for making a logical statement lol

Dat Natural ego/solipsism at play (“I know everything and anything I don’t know is stupid anyway so who cares”)

“what more proof do you need?”

Actual proof instead of silly logical passive questionairres. Sorry man, all you did was run a mini version of Tinder with them: “who would you pick based entirely on looks” And they made a little checklist of physical attributes and picked the one with the best ones. SHOCKER lol

Dress is irrelevant once those guys get up in their space and make emotional impact on them. Then those girls will rationalize WHATEVER the guy who makes the most emotional impact on them is wearing as the best. If a guy with a t-shirt makes an intense emotional impact on one of them she’ll say she loves that he’s not trying as hard as the other guys to backwards rationalize and justify the attraction she can’t help feeling (“attraction is not a choice”).

You’re making the exact mistake that every guy who thinks looks matter makes.

You might look at 10 photos of tigers and say “THIS big huge one is the scariest tiger!!”, but when the scrawniest tiger of the group steamrolls into the room charging at you gnashing it’s teeth as it chases you to disembowel you, you will, in that moment, be thinking “holy shit this tiger is fucking scary!!”

You’re also doing the usual Natural solipsistic thing of attributing results to your externals instead of to a bunch of your subcomms because Naturals tend to not really understand the nuances of their own subcomms since, for them, it’s just “be cool, bro” since they aren’t rationally logically thinking about their subcomms.

Here’s how you hit on girls dolled up for weddings/events/etc when you’re wearing a t-shirt: “Holy shit, you girls look gorgeous tonight. You’re making me all self-conscious, I should be wearing a suit or something…right now everyone’s looking at us thinking “Why are those girls talking to that homeless man? Don’t they have any standards?? We’d better not let them have anymore wine!”” Spike some buying temps and you’re now the guy in the t-shirt with dolled up girls loving him (and feeling self-conscious that they’re so dolled up and making excuses and rationalizations for it and saying how they hate dressing up because they assume that because you’re dressed down you must think they’re trying too hard and are high-maintenance etc and then have your mind blown when you realize you actually have to tell them “No I LIKE it, you look GOOD” because they’re somehow actually DISqualifying themselves out of deserving you and you have to actually pump them up and make them feel like they DESERVE you lol). It’s the funniest shit in the world. Ask me how I know๐Ÿ˜›

No hate, just pointing out flawed science/data lol

@Culum
Good stuff dude. Out of time for today but some quick notes:

“I won’t chase the girl or accommodate her schedule. If she messes around I will soft-next – that kind of thing. So it’s a lot easier for them to find other guys…and flake on me”

Ya, this is part of it. Why would she bother making an effort now, you’re just some dude on a computer screen to her, you have no emotional relevance in her life and she has no real-world investment in you. She has a dozen other guys lined up begging for permission to meet up on her schedule and go pick her up and take her to a fancy place etc. It’s not even necessarily that they don’t LIKE you it’s just that they have other options that seem just as good but require less effort. In person you can make emotional impact with game and set yourself above those guys. Online you’re just another name in that “Hot Chick on Tinder” video’s list.

“And I literally could see as I went quiet, her RAS shifted totally to him as he talked, even though he wasn’t saying anything special..but he’s good looking and her RAS had nowhere else to turn”

Understand that you can TAKE THAT RAS BACK lol And TRY to next time you’re in that situation. Your buddy will be fine, if he cries about it just throw a girl at him to make up for it, but actively try to keep a girl’s attention when your buddy is around. You’ll learn a lot from it. It will blow your mind when you start holding a girl’s full RAS while your buddy is trying his lame game and she’s actively ignoring him to focus on you. Huge mind-fuck and makes what I’m saying about looks make sense (like my breakdown of why Blaximus’ wedding experiment means nothing)

Thing is guys these days trying to run “Natural” game with no routines or anything don’t naturally have ways to spike buying temperature because they don’t have tons of social experience spiking buying temperature and improvising that shit, so why WOULD they be able to launch girls’ emotions through the roof on command like that Future PUA Leicester Square AMOG vid with the who lies more and powerpuff girls shit. When you have a bunch of that stuff cocked and loaded to drop in when you need it, it’s VERY EASY to take the attention off most guys because you’re hammering emotional impact at them and watching their circuits fry.

Instead most guys just back off and let the good-looking guy have the girl, just like you did and just like most guys do to most Naturals (“oh he’s cooler than me he deserves her I guess I’ll just shuffle off now and go home to jack off tonight”). That’s why I always stress that good-looks will definitely help get you laid, as long as no one interferes. Learn how to BE that interference lol

“I pretty much self-ejected..I turned to my wing and said “We need to go” (twice! because he didn’t move the first time). Arghhh!”

lolol Don’t sweat it, it’s just a standard success barrier. You don’t feel entitled to get that kind of attraction that fast and to take it somewhere so you preserved your ego by ejecting before you could risk crashing & burning it by pushing it further. Remember the pain of this for next time lol

And ya when guys go sarge sick, hungover, etc they’ll often find that their vibe is way more chill and James Marshally and they end up doing really well with minimal effort because their subcomms have been fixed by being out of it. ie – they’re less fidgety, their eyes are too LAZY to look around the room at every little thing so they just rest on the girl’s eyes and stay there, their movements are all slowed down and their reaction time is slower so they come off as less reactive to their environment, etc


YaReally
on May 2nd, 2016 at 9:37 am
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@Culum
I agree with you on your read of her LMR. There’s a difference between not interested or turned on and turned on but putting up token resistance because she’s trying to be good or whatever. Freezing out a girl who’s not actually interested in fucking you isn’t generally going to trigger anything…what she needs is for you to have more value to her in her personal view of what high-value is (ie – a girl who doesn’t care about poetry isn’t going to view you as high-value for reading her some, but there’s a better chance that a girl who’s super into poetry would view you as higher-value, so you calibrate to her value system).

It’s similar to doing backturns and push/pull etc infield…you can’t really backturn a girl who isn’t giving you A2 because she doesn’t CARE if the conversation ends lol Just like you don’t care if a homeless person comes up to you and says “sorry man, you can’t take me for beers tonight”. You’re like “uhh okay? That’s fine by me” but if a smokin hot dream girl 10/10 smokeshow says that you feel that pang of “no but wait!!” and want to turn it around.

For the Latina girl, that’s an exact situation where routines show their value. Everything happens so fast that you’re overwhelmed and trying to improvise, well, you’re going to improvise the same way you have in that situation in the past which is do nothing because that’s a new situation to you lol But if you had a default extract/lead routine like “come, there’s this awesome pizza place over here, you’re coming with us (and put your hand in your jacket pocket and wiggle your elbow for her to interlock her arm date-walk style)” that you use on EVERY SINGLE SET where you have some A2 iois, and you get used to saying those words and in these situations where things are happening fast your brain will just spit that out and even if it’s not perfect or totally calibrated it’s better than letting the set die…you can recover if they aren’t hungry or don’t like pizza, but you can’t recover if you walk away lol

Having a girl who’s into you and receptive to “doing more stuff” with you is a common situation that you’re going to run into over and over in tons of different forms (inside a bar, out on the street, before last call, after last call, in a grocery store during the day off an accidental open in the vegetable aisle, out with a social circle, etc etc) so that’s a situation you should have a default routine for.

When you go out a lot you’ll notice a lot of patterns and you’ll develop a lot of default routines for those patterns after you fuck them up and drop the ball a bunch of times like here lol The reason they tell you to number close every set after 2 minutes isn’t because it’s going to WORK every time and it isn’t because none of those numbers will flake, it’s to build up the habit of “when I have interest, secure a way to keep the interaction going past this engagement” so that when you end up talking to some smokin hot 10 who blindsides you with iois but has to get off the subway at the next stop, you instinctively run your number close on her because you’ve done it a thousand times and it comes off super casual to her because it’s such a normal thing to do to you that your subcomms communicate that it’s no big deal (VS the nervous guy who asks for one phone number a month and it’s this big scary deal to him that all his hopes and dreams are based on).

Plus the two minute thing is to show you that often you’ll actually have enough attraction for the number close when you didn’t think you did and you’ll realize your brain is ignoring some iois or there are iois you weren’t paying attention for because quite frankly your brain is new to getting iois so it isn’t really a good judge of what “enough interest” LOOKS like yet lol and will usually err on the side of self-preservation. That’s what the two minutes thing is about. ’cause your instinct is “I dunno about two minutes, but when I have attraction for sure” which is based on your brain assuming it’ll know what attraction looks like when, as we see with the Latina, your brain is kind of an asshole sabotaging you๐Ÿ™‚

Also the girls who you ask for the number too soon with, you’ll learn how to take polite rejections and normalize to your brain that a girl turning down your number is no big deal the world doesn’t end so you’re more likely to go for it with girls you’re into and have much better subcomms because you’re less outcome dependent about whether it’s successful or not. PLUS if they reject it, you can practice going back to A1 and DHV’ing more and more (with your interesting DHV stories and routines you’ve practiced, right? A TON of Mystery’s game is about frontloading DHVs until he gets enough A2 to progress further), until you’re getting more iois and can push for the number close again and you may actually get it and learn a bunch of good shit from that experience.

Just wanted to expand on that exercise lol If you think THAT exercise is scary, wait till the one after that: trying to go for the kiss after two minutes. ๐Ÿ˜‰ lol


YaReally
on May 2nd, 2016 at 9:43 am
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@Culum @having a bad day
“good news/bad news – good news = your subcomms are now ‘naturally’ alpha stud… bad news = you are getting in your own way… bc when you were ‘tired’ you just ‘naturally’ pinged as alpha stud… that’s why that hot hb7 was all over you…lol… bc you are not getting those results when you are not ‘tired’, you have something else in play (likely subconsciously…) that is misdirecting that ‘natural’ result…”

Generally this is the stage where your subcomms are coming off proper to the girls (in Culum’s specific case when he was sick it took out a lot of the fidgets and nervous ticks and self doubt etc that seeps out…like a lot of guys actually find it harder to game when they’ve downed a bunch of redbull because their subcomms are jittery and all over the map whereas a James Marshall is more what “seduction” looks like…if you watch Tyler’s infield you’ll notice he starts out high energy to blow the set open but when he gets a girl isolated he goes into a waaaay lower energy James Marshall vibe with the girl).

But at the same time while your subcomms come off proper to THEM, to YOU you’re still internally viewing yourself as the guy you were before. So there’s an incongruence going on in your mind…the girl reacts to you as if you’re Chad Thundercock but your brain still sees you as Culum the AFC and thinks only a Chad Thundercock should get that kind of fast attraction. So it’s a sign of progress and as you get more congruent you’ll notice that kind of attraction happening when you’re NOT sick lol And that’s where we work on your inner game and get you shitloads of field experience because the more sets like that Latina one you have, the more evidence your brain has to go “well shit, I guess I AM attractive now” and you stop viewing yourself as “Culum the AFC learning game” and view yourself as “Culum the attractive guy with game”.

This is why the field is king. You wouldn’t learn/experience ANY of this sitting in your computer room jerking off to theory. Gotta go out and collect these reference experiences and do your Field Reports so we can help clarify them and give you advice for the next outing. ๐Ÿ™‚


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YaReally
on April 20th, 2016 at 3:50 am
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“In fact, part of his feminine-primary conditioning focuses on the hope that some man will express some ‘sexist’ remark, or express some unapproved thought about women in the hopes that he can rebuke and correct that man. It’s part of Beta Game to look for opportunities to do just this in the hopes that some woman will witness it and find his gender-heroism attractive:”

“understand, that chump waits everyday for an opportunity to “correct” you in as public a way as he’s able to muster. That AFC who’s been fed on a steady diet of noble intent, with ambitions of endearing a woman’s intimacy through his unique form of chivalry; that guy, he’s aching for an opportunity to prove his quality by publicly redressing a “villain” like you for your chauvinism.”

Seems like an appropriate place for this vid, and a lesson on subcomms:

I don’t even like this vid because people see the title and go “OH YA THIS IS THAT “AMOG” STUFF IS IT, YOU WOULD GET KNOCKED OUT TRYING THIS IN MY BARS ON ONE-EYE JACK THE BIKER MMA NINJA, BUDDY!!!”, like this isn’t at ALL a representation of what you would do with an ACTUAL threat/dangerous AMOG.

The reality is that actual aggressive AMOGs that you can’t at all get away from and HAVE to deal with in a serious way are SO RARE in actual sarging (especially if you’re not sarging shithole dive bars but sticking to venues with a better class of people and bouncers etc), ESPECIALLY when you’re at RSD instructors’ levels of social calibration, that the odds of actually catching footage of them having to handle one of those situations on video is like catching a lightning bolt hitting the tree beside you on camera lol and most of the time it would look like walking (or running lol) away. There’s a clip where Tyler showed a girl his dick and her big brother comes by and sees and is instantly past the point of any kind of reason screaming “WALK AWAY BRO WALK AWAY” and Tyler just says sorry and backs away because showing a guy’s little sister your dick is definite grounds for getting stomped lol

THIS guy is just a negative chode trying to vent his bitterness on Tyler and his students and it reeks from his pores a mile away, Tyler knows it from the second the guy speaks up. Personally I think Tyler’s way too over the top and hyper in this vid, I wish we had some better ones but whatever lol it’s a good clear video of a chode pulling out the white knight shaming the villain move Rollo’s talking about, and Tyler calling him out on it. Tyler knows the guy has a weak frame so he’s not worried about a fight and knows he can touch the guy and just lecture him etc As one of the comments says “Get into an argument with Owen, end up reevaluating your life and becoming a better person๏ปฟ” lol

Random subtle notes/subcomms: at 10s one of his GFs he does 3somes with steps up to the guy and Tyler demos “protector of loved ones” by just casually pushing her back because he knows this is an easy situation to deal with. And note how he keeps testing how much he can get in the guy’s space, backing off when the guy reacts defensively but just like escalating on a girl he keeps dipping in and out of his personal space over and over until eventually he’s standing fully in the guy’s space. Notice that he gets the guy qualifying to him about “doing alright” with girls and when the chode realizes Tyler has the crowd on his side (“with a GIRL”) he gets fully into qualifying himself. And every time the guy makes a looks-based comment (which he keeps going back to, because it’s Tyler’s most obvious probable insecurity/weak spot) Tyler calls him out on it. And by the time the guy gets to his SECOND qualifying himself after the “weak minded” comment about doing well for himself, Tyler knows he can stop goofing around and just straight out lecture him on his shitty behavior.

At the very end you can see Tyler’s girl smiling away as Tyler is shouting “Come back asshooooooole” and I want to point something important out about subcomms/vibe/value:

A big thing to remember is that when WE watch this video as MEN, we see two effeminate flaily possibly gay dudes having a gay verbal slap fight with nasally voices. Like, nothing in this video from EITHER side is going to impress a Blaximus type lol And the manosphere fangirls sitting at home watching this will probably see the same thing, like they’re not watching this video going “wow I want to fuck that Tyler guy!!”

But in the MOMENT, infield, right in front of girls, all the girls’ hindbrains see are the subcomms of what’s happening. They don’t register “oh you said these words to him and he responded with these other words and I’m consciously judging that”, all they see is “this guy’s vibe is dominating this other guy’s vibe, which means he must have higher value than him”. It’s like Predator vision lol they don’t see the details, they just see like, blobs of energy as their brains take in all the little subcomms going on.

It’s really hard for guys to understand that because we don’t generally work that way…we’re more logical and look at “well he said this this and this but those weren’t cool James Bond replies he should have said this clever witty line instead, and he’s acting immature and hyper jumping around and running around and making goofy faces, none of this is “cool” when I pass it through my formula of what I believe is cool behavior”. But women don’t work that way infield in the moment…they’re just seeing the overall energy/vibe and comparing Tyler to the other guy, not to James Bond, because James Bond isn’t around (and if he was he would be quietly standing in a corner, right now Tyler and this guy are the center of everyone’s attention because shit is happening), and in that moment, relative to that other guy and the other guys around Tyler, he’s the one that triggers Hypergamy. It doesn’t mean all girls would fuck him, but most girls would rather at least be AROUND him than the other guy and a lot of girls would be open to Tyler’s energy IN THAT MOMENT if he opened them and rode that momentum (VS if they’re sitting at home surfing this forum and watching the video on a screen).

Here’s a much better example of dealing with threatening/dangerous AMOGs:

That’s not Max’s beer (Max doesn’t drink), it’s the beer of his student, the black dude behind him talking to the other blonde. The student puts his beer on the table and the guy just reaches over and knocks it off to try to start a fight. A lot of guys would go “dude you gotta confront the guy, get up in his grill, make him buy you another beer or kick his ass bro, gotta keep your street cred, you can’t look like a pussy little bitch in front of the girls or they won’t fuck you!!!1 GOTTA BE A BADASS TOUGH GUY ALPHA BRO!!!”

But Max figures out what happened (’cause he’s sober, so his brain is sharp, don’t get wasted infield or you can miss little signs of potential danger ESPECIALLY if you’re solo (aka no one to get you to a hospital)) and simply moves the girl away and continues gaming. Because look at his situation: Him and his student are BOTH in set with cute receptive girls who like them (that that angry guy and his buddy probably WISH they were talking to)…why would they bother allowing other dynamics from the environment to enter the set? Especially when it’s coming from some dudes who’ve been sitting there alone with no girls jealously watching Max and his student successfully gaming girls? Like what value does that guy have in that environment in that moment? None. He can only GAIN value by engaging with him and giving him a chance to DHV. Just ignore it and step away and continue like nothing happened.

When you view it through Rollo’s lens in this article, part of why buddy here chooses Max and his student to pick on is because they’re CHEATING. Him and his buddy clearly hit the gym and his buddy’s got some clubbing jeans on and he’s got his super cool mullet (lol just noticed that, wtf dude) and basically in their mind they’re following society’s plan that says THEY’RE supposed to get the girls, not skinny scrawny effeminate Max and his skinny scrawny student. They didn’t put in the work to follow society’s rules, they’re not supposed to get the girls. They’re CHEATING.

An hour later, while Max is putting his students and some girls in cabs to go get laid, buddy is in the background swinging fists. Would it have been worth Max’s time to engage the guy? Nah, especially when he’s clearly bigger and tougher. So deal with it in the lowest effort way possible and stick to the mission.

Again like the Tyler video above, the girls aren’t logically looking at the situation and going “if you were a real man you would have stood up for yourself, I’m losing attraction for you now!!” All they see is the vibe: Max and his student are unreactive to a bigger tougher looking guy who’s trying to get them to react. In that moment (VS watching this video), infield, all the girls’ hindbrains register is the Predator vision “who reacts more to who” subcomms.

This isn’t just in male VS male situations, it’s in ALL of pickup. That’s why it doesn’t really matter what you say, they’re looking at you with Predator vision. Like a lot of lines you’ll hear them saying infield sound logically dumb/lame/tryhard, but in the moment the girls are running on emotion. At 1:36 – 1:56 the ugly curly haired girl doesn’t even know what’s HAPPENING, she’s just running purely on emotion in the moment. She’s not listening to the logical words coming out of his mouth, she’s just responding to him leading everyone into cabs etc.

That’s part of what was interesting to see with Julien’s SHIFT infield:

His verbal game isn’t even that good. He says a LOT of stuff that doesn’t hit and comes off awkward and tryhard and switches gears or says stuff that fucks the vibe up etc. Like, his actual words are pretty weak, especially at the start when he’s out of it, and his buddy (student? no idea, he’s more jacked than Julien but super weird) keeps doing awkward shit. But the girl is responding to his vibe because even though he’s spouting nonsense and even BAD game, EVERY time she shit-tests him, he passes the shit-test. THAT’S the part her Predator vision/hindbrain is responding to and that’s why she keeps giving him chances even though the rest of his game is pretty awkward. Basically he’s just managing to nail all the important key moments (her testing him) while flailing at all the rest. It’s like an exam with 20 questions but 5 of the questions are worth 90% of the grade, he’s fucking up the other 15 questions but nailing those 5 so it doesn’t matter in the end.

You can see her emotions spike at the “grammar nazi” comment (4:11), and at 4:25 when she wants him to speak italian and he says “pizza pesto spaghetti”, 7:22 when he says “no drugs, no alcohol…PERFECTION.”, 9:33 when she asks if he’s into BDSM or something sarcastically and he says “totally I have duct tape flavored (something something)”. At 10:10 she says she’s hanging out with a band tonight and he’s like “you’re ditching me like that?” “for PART of the night, not during the REST of the night”. She’s already down to hang out at this point, before she launches into her BIG shit-tests on his outfit that turn into physicality and then him surpassing her in value to where she starts qualifying herself (putting on her stripper heels to wear, subtly trying to raise her value after he makes fun of her outfit).

And that all happens BECAUSE up till that point he’s nailed those important moments even though we would objectively watch them and go “this is pretty weak shit, why would she go home with him??” He doesn’t even NEED hardcore sexual attraction, he can go pretty indirect and tell her he just wants her to be his tour guide etc, because he’s still making sexual jokes etc and knows that when he gets her isolated he can escalate.

That’s also why you can pick up girls who don’t speak your language or without talking or with pure self-amusement etc, if your subcomms are solid, because you’re tapping into the girl’s Predator vision/brain and engaging with it directly. That’s also why you can take over their Reticular Activation System and become their sole focus while everything else gets blocked out in their brain…you are the bright colored neon yellow on their radar and everything around the two of you fades into monotonous blue. This is why I stress making an emotional impact. The more impact you make, the more her focus is on you, just like if a tiger walked into the room right now you would be 100% focused on that tiger, not noticing your phone has a new text message or thinking about a bigger scarier tiger you saw at the zoo last week.

Whereas a normal dude or a James Bond guy trying to be cool or a husband who’s become predictable/boring becomes just a faint dull glow at best…and that’s FINE, as long as no one interferes, that glow is still better than the blue around him. That’s why I say ya looks will win if you both just stand there (or online where you can’t really demo attractive traits and make direct emotional impact easily). But when someone comes along who makes a bigger emotional impact on her and shines brighter in her Predator vision, it pushes that guy into the blue blur around you two (and then ideally you just move her away from the guy to make sure he stays blue).

Like in this SHIFT infield:

Again he’s not saying anything super amazing. And there are better looking guys around etc SURELY that club is FULL of better looking richer James Bond guys compared to Julien in his shitty unfitted t-shirt and skinny-fat manboob body. Any second she WANTS she can just walk back into that club full of dudes who will buy her drinks and are jacked and shit, and Julien couldn’t even follow her because he’s not even IN that club.

But she doesn’t, she sticks with him, because her hindbrain is just registering the overall vibe of what’s going on and what it registers is this guy handling all of her shit-tests and self-amusing and taking over her set of friends charismatically winning them all over as he self-amuses etc. It doesn’t matter what the specific words he says are, all that matters is that he’s making their emotions spike by saying stuff that hits them with emotional impact and causing people around him to react to him.

Basically this is how girls see other guys in the bar and the James Bond guys trying to be cool standing around:

Meanwhile here’s how girls see guys taking action and being expressive and unstifled:


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YaReally
on April 20th, 2016 at 3:50 am
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“In fact, part of his feminine-primary conditioning focuses on the hope that some man will express some ‘sexist’ remark, or express some unapproved thought about women in the hopes that he can rebuke and correct that man. It’s part of Beta Game to look for opportunities to do just this in the hopes that some woman will witness it and find his gender-heroism attractive:”

“understand, that chump waits everyday for an opportunity to “correct” you in as public a way as he’s able to muster. That AFC who’s been fed on a steady diet of noble intent, with ambitions of endearing a woman’s intimacy through his unique form of chivalry; that guy, he’s aching for an opportunity to prove his quality by publicly redressing a “villain” like you for your chauvinism.”

Seems like an appropriate place for this vid, and a lesson on subcomms:

I don’t even like this vid because people see the title and go “OH YA THIS IS THAT “AMOG” STUFF IS IT, YOU WOULD GET KNOCKED OUT TRYING THIS IN MY BARS ON ONE-EYE JACK THE BIKER MMA NINJA, BUDDY!!!”, like this isn’t at ALL a representation of what you would do with an ACTUAL threat/dangerous AMOG.

The reality is that actual aggressive AMOGs that you can’t at all get away from and HAVE to deal with in a serious way are SO RARE in actual sarging (especially if you’re not sarging shithole dive bars but sticking to venues with a better class of people and bouncers etc), ESPECIALLY when you’re at RSD instructors’ levels of social calibration, that the odds of actually catching footage of them having to handle one of those situations on video is like catching a lightning bolt hitting the tree beside you on camera lol and most of the time it would look like walking (or running lol) away. There’s a clip where Tyler showed a girl his dick and her big brother comes by and sees and is instantly past the point of any kind of reason screaming “WALK AWAY BRO WALK AWAY” and Tyler just says sorry and backs away because showing a guy’s little sister your dick is definite grounds for getting stomped lol

THIS guy is just a negative chode trying to vent his bitterness on Tyler and his students and it reeks from his pores a mile away, Tyler knows it from the second the guy speaks up. Personally I think Tyler’s way too over the top and hyper in this vid, I wish we had some better ones but whatever lol it’s a good clear video of a chode pulling out the white knight shaming the villain move Rollo’s talking about, and Tyler calling him out on it. Tyler knows the guy has a weak frame so he’s not worried about a fight and knows he can touch the guy and just lecture him etc As one of the comments says “Get into an argument with Owen, end up reevaluating your life and becoming a better person๏ปฟ” lol

Random subtle notes/subcomms: at 10s one of his GFs he does 3somes with steps up to the guy and Tyler demos “protector of loved ones” by just casually pushing her back because he knows this is an easy situation to deal with. And note how he keeps testing how much he can get in the guy’s space, backing off when the guy reacts defensively but just like escalating on a girl he keeps dipping in and out of his personal space over and over until eventually he’s standing fully in the guy’s space. Notice that he gets the guy qualifying to him about “doing alright” with girls and when the chode realizes Tyler has the crowd on his side (“with a GIRL”) he gets fully into qualifying himself. And every time the guy makes a looks-based comment (which he keeps going back to, because it’s Tyler’s most obvious probable insecurity/weak spot) Tyler calls him out on it. And by the time the guy gets to his SECOND qualifying himself after the “weak minded” comment about doing well for himself, Tyler knows he can stop goofing around and just straight out lecture him on his shitty behavior.

At the very end you can see Tyler’s girl smiling away as Tyler is shouting “Come back asshooooooole” and I want to point something important out about subcomms/vibe/value:

A big thing to remember is that when WE watch this video as MEN, we see two effeminate flaily possibly gay dudes having a gay verbal slap fight with nasally voices. Like, nothing in this video from EITHER side is going to impress a Blaximus type lol And the manosphere fangirls sitting at home watching this will probably see the same thing, like they’re not watching this video going “wow I want to fuck that Tyler guy!!”

But in the MOMENT, infield, right in front of girls, all the girls’ hindbrains see are the subcomms of what’s happening. They don’t register “oh you said these words to him and he responded with these other words and I’m consciously judging that”, all they see is “this guy’s vibe is dominating this other guy’s vibe, which means he must have higher value than him”. It’s like Predator vision lol they don’t see the details, they just see like, blobs of energy as their brains take in all the little subcomms going on.

It’s really hard for guys to understand that because we don’t generally work that way…we’re more logical and look at “well he said this this and this but those weren’t cool James Bond replies he should have said this clever witty line instead, and he’s acting immature and hyper jumping around and running around and making goofy faces, none of this is “cool” when I pass it through my formula of what I believe is cool behavior”. But women don’t work that way infield in the moment…they’re just seeing the overall energy/vibe and comparing Tyler to the other guy, not to James Bond, because James Bond isn’t around (and if he was he would be quietly standing in a corner, right now Tyler and this guy are the center of everyone’s attention because shit is happening), and in that moment, relative to that other guy and the other guys around Tyler, he’s the one that triggers Hypergamy. It doesn’t mean all girls would fuck him, but most girls would rather at least be AROUND him than the other guy and a lot of girls would be open to Tyler’s energy IN THAT MOMENT if he opened them and rode that momentum (VS if they’re sitting at home surfing this forum and watching the video on a screen).

Here’s a much better example of dealing with threatening/dangerous AMOGs:

That’s not Max’s beer (Max doesn’t drink), it’s the beer of his student, the black dude behind him talking to the other blonde. The student puts his beer on the table and the guy just reaches over and knocks it off to try to start a fight. A lot of guys would go “dude you gotta confront the guy, get up in his grill, make him buy you another beer or kick his ass bro, gotta keep your street cred, you can’t look like a pussy little bitch in front of the girls or they won’t fuck you!!!1 GOTTA BE A BADASS TOUGH GUY ALPHA BRO!!!”

But Max figures out what happened (’cause he’s sober, so his brain is sharp, don’t get wasted infield or you can miss little signs of potential danger ESPECIALLY if you’re solo (aka no one to get you to a hospital)) and simply moves the girl away and continues gaming. Because look at his situation: Him and his student are BOTH in set with cute receptive girls who like them (that that angry guy and his buddy probably WISH they were talking to)…why would they bother allowing other dynamics from the environment to enter the set? Especially when it’s coming from some dudes who’ve been sitting there alone with no girls jealously watching Max and his student successfully gaming girls? Like what value does that guy have in that environment in that moment? None. He can only GAIN value by engaging with him and giving him a chance to DHV. Just ignore it and step away and continue like nothing happened.

When you view it through Rollo’s lens in this article, part of why buddy here chooses Max and his student to pick on is because they’re CHEATING. Him and his buddy clearly hit the gym and his buddy’s got some clubbing jeans on and he’s got his super cool mullet (lol just noticed that, wtf dude) and basically in their mind they’re following society’s plan that says THEY’RE supposed to get the girls, not skinny scrawny effeminate Max and his skinny scrawny student. They didn’t put in the work to follow society’s rules, they’re not supposed to get the girls. They’re CHEATING.

An hour later, while Max is putting his students and some girls in cabs to go get laid, buddy is in the background swinging fists. Would it have been worth Max’s time to engage the guy? Nah, especially when he’s clearly bigger and tougher. So deal with it in the lowest effort way possible and stick to the mission.

Again like the Tyler video above, the girls aren’t logically looking at the situation and going “if you were a real man you would have stood up for yourself, I’m losing attraction for you now!!” All they see is the vibe: Max and his student are unreactive to a bigger tougher looking guy who’s trying to get them to react. In that moment (VS watching this video), infield, all the girls’ hindbrains register is the Predator vision “who reacts more to who” subcomms.

This isn’t just in male VS male situations, it’s in ALL of pickup. That’s why it doesn’t really matter what you say, they’re looking at you with Predator vision. Like a lot of lines you’ll hear them saying infield sound logically dumb/lame/tryhard, but in the moment the girls are running on emotion. At 1:36 – 1:56 the ugly curly haired girl doesn’t even know what’s HAPPENING, she’s just running purely on emotion in the moment. She’s not listening to the logical words coming out of his mouth, she’s just responding to him leading everyone into cabs etc.

That’s part of what was interesting to see with Julien’s SHIFT infield:

His verbal game isn’t even that good. He says a LOT of stuff that doesn’t hit and comes off awkward and tryhard and switches gears or says stuff that fucks the vibe up etc. Like, his actual words are pretty weak, especially at the start when he’s out of it, and his buddy (student? no idea, he’s more jacked than Julien but super weird) keeps doing awkward shit. But the girl is responding to his vibe because even though he’s spouting nonsense and even BAD game, EVERY time she shit-tests him, he passes the shit-test. THAT’S the part her Predator vision/hindbrain is responding to and that’s why she keeps giving him chances even though the rest of his game is pretty awkward. Basically he’s just managing to nail all the important key moments (her testing him) while flailing at all the rest. It’s like an exam with 20 questions but 5 of the questions are worth 90% of the grade, he’s fucking up the other 15 questions but nailing those 5 so it doesn’t matter in the end.

You can see her emotions spike at the “grammar nazi” comment (4:11), and at 4:25 when she wants him to speak italian and he says “pizza pesto spaghetti”, 7:22 when he says “no drugs, no alcohol…PERFECTION.”, 9:33 when she asks if he’s into BDSM or something sarcastically and he says “totally I have duct tape flavored (something something)”. At 10:10 she says she’s hanging out with a band tonight and he’s like “you’re ditching me like that?” “for PART of the night, not during the REST of the night”. She’s already down to hang out at this point, before she launches into her BIG shit-tests on his outfit that turn into physicality and then him surpassing her in value to where she starts qualifying herself (putting on her stripper heels to wear, subtly trying to raise her value after he makes fun of her outfit).

And that all happens BECAUSE up till that point he’s nailed those important moments even though we would objectively watch them and go “this is pretty weak shit, why would she go home with him??” He doesn’t even NEED hardcore sexual attraction, he can go pretty indirect and tell her he just wants her to be his tour guide etc, because he’s still making sexual jokes etc and knows that when he gets her isolated he can escalate.

That’s also why you can pick up girls who don’t speak your language or without talking or with pure self-amusement etc, if your subcomms are solid, because you’re tapping into the girl’s Predator vision/brain and engaging with it directly. That’s also why you can take over their Reticular Activation System and become their sole focus while everything else gets blocked out in their brain…you are the bright colored neon yellow on their radar and everything around the two of you fades into monotonous blue. This is why I stress making an emotional impact. The more impact you make, the more her focus is on you, just like if a tiger walked into the room right now you would be 100% focused on that tiger, not noticing your phone has a new text message or thinking about a bigger scarier tiger you saw at the zoo last week.

Whereas a normal dude or a James Bond guy trying to be cool or a husband who’s become predictable/boring becomes just a faint dull glow at best…and that’s FINE, as long as no one interferes, that glow is still better than the blue around him. That’s why I say ya looks will win if you both just stand there (or online where you can’t really demo attractive traits and make direct emotional impact easily). But when someone comes along who makes a bigger emotional impact on her and shines brighter in her Predator vision, it pushes that guy into the blue blur around you two (and then ideally you just move her away from the guy to make sure he stays blue).

Like in this SHIFT infield:

Again he’s not saying anything super amazing. And there are better looking guys around etc SURELY that club is FULL of better looking richer James Bond guys compared to Julien in his shitty unfitted t-shirt and skinny-fat manboob body. Any second she WANTS she can just walk back into that club full of dudes who will buy her drinks and are jacked and shit, and Julien couldn’t even follow her because he’s not even IN that club.

But she doesn’t, she sticks with him, because her hindbrain is just registering the overall vibe of what’s going on and what it registers is this guy handling all of her shit-tests and self-amusing and taking over her set of friends charismatically winning them all over as he self-amuses etc. It doesn’t matter what the specific words he says are, all that matters is that he’s making their emotions spike by saying stuff that hits them with emotional impact and causing people around him to react to him.

Basically this is how girls see other guys in the bar and the James Bond guys trying to be cool standing around:

Meanwhile here’s how girls see guys taking action and being expressive and unstifled:


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oh gay apparently you can’t link to specific videos in a youtube playlist lol here’s the two vids I meant to link:

That one that got linked is a good example too though. The chick is some porn chick he pulls from the dance floor to isolation. First set of the night, early, and she has a group with a jealous/protective orbiter (big tall jacked dude who comes in at 26:50, another example of dealing with guys, just ignore them, no reason to get reactive and try to aggressively AMOG him) so he figures the logistics will be too tricky and just takes a number but he does a solid number close, watch how much he time bridges and forces her to invest in the number to try to prevent flaking (even at the very end of it all the last words he’s saying to her in the clip are “call me, say it” telling her to say “call me” to him to mentally make her invest in the idea that they’re meeting up again).

But like, a lot of what he says doesn’t hit or is awkward, but he nails the key points where she shit-tests him and he’s spiking her emotions, especially when Tyler comes in and grabs her, you can see her rational brain shuts off completely and she just goes into pure emotion mode at all the emotional impact they’re hitting her with. To paraphrase Tyler in another video: “when’s the last time YOU ever laughed like that or were enjoying yourself as much as that girl and having as much fun as that girl is having because she’s met guy who’s hitting her with emotional impact? I’VE never been that happy in my LIFE, this is the greatest moment of her LIFE to her right now”

So it doesn’t matter that Julien’s verbals are off at points and some of his stories are dumb or don’t go anywhere or don’t get a good reaction etc, all that matters to her is that in her Predator/hindbrain vision he is this huge glowing neon yellow flashlight shining in her face. Every other guy in the venue is invisible in their dull blue shadowy blur around the glowing flare that’s causing her to react.


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oh gay apparently you can’t link to specific videos in a youtube playlist lol here’s the two vids I meant to link:

That one that got linked is a good example too though. The chick is some porn chick he pulls from the dance floor to isolation. First set of the night, early, and she has a group with a jealous/protective orbiter (big tall jacked dude who comes in at 26:50, another example of dealing with guys, just ignore them, no reason to get reactive and try to aggressively AMOG him) so he figures the logistics will be too tricky and just takes a number but he does a solid number close, watch how much he time bridges and forces her to invest in the number to try to prevent flaking (even at the very end of it all the last words he’s saying to her in the clip are “call me, say it” telling her to say “call me” to him to mentally make her invest in the idea that they’re meeting up again).

But like, a lot of what he says doesn’t hit or is awkward, but he nails the key points where she shit-tests him and he’s spiking her emotions, especially when Tyler comes in and grabs her, you can see her rational brain shuts off completely and she just goes into pure emotion mode at all the emotional impact they’re hitting her with. To paraphrase Tyler in another video: “when’s the last time YOU ever laughed like that or were enjoying yourself as much as that girl and having as much fun as that girl is having because she’s met guy who’s hitting her with emotional impact? I’VE never been that happy in my LIFE, this is the greatest moment of her LIFE to her right now”

So it doesn’t matter that Julien’s verbals are off at points and some of his stories are dumb or don’t go anywhere or don’t get a good reaction etc, all that matters to her is that in her Predator/hindbrain vision he is this huge glowing neon yellow flashlight shining in her face. Every other guy in the venue is invisible in their dull blue shadowy blur around the glowing flare that’s causing her to react.


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Found another good clip of the Predator vision thing. Like Tyler joked in his oldschool Tyler Digest stuff about stealing girls with high buying temperature, it’s basically “follow the shiny object girls, over here, follow it!!” lol

This black dude approaches pretty alpha, stepping into this guy’s set trying to take the girls. Dude looks good and flat out brags that he’s a basketball player and makes more money than the white dude (LITERALLY says it out loud qualifying himself to the girls at 2:35 trying to win their interest…look how try-hard qualifying low-value it comes off when you purposely draw attention to it like that lol even the ugly little one doesn’t give a shit when she SHOULD be jumping on his dick according to society’s rules of how attraction works).

All the white dude does is stay unreactive to the black guy and keeps talking and holding his girl. The other guy blows himself out by not having game. Also lol’ed hard when he came back after leaving to try again but can’t even get back in the set and gets blown out by another chick in front of them lol

For the girls, the black dude has little bits of glow on their Predator vision but the guy just isn’t interesting and doesn’t have emotional impact, while the white guy is holding his girl’s attention, so they keep being drawn to that energy and the black guy gets cut out of the set. Look how low value he looks when he’s cut out of the set. Imagine you’re some hot girl watching this go down, which of these guys would you be receptive to if they approached you? The guy holding the attention of 3 girls or the guy standing behind them all pretending to check his phone and then slinking off into the background.

Thing is I bet this black dude talks THE most smack out of his buddies when they’re pregaming, like he probably thinks he’s a huge pimp playa, not a lot of guys will barge into a set like that, but the field reveals all.

Student could have done better too, I would have LOVED this guy coming in because he basically takes the attention of the other two girls leaving me the opportunity to focus on the one I’m talking to. I would just strafe too the right a step as I’m talking so that my girl turns her back to her friends and then I have solid isolation with her and the black dude can try to entertain the other two for me lol I might even ask the guy in front of the girls “hey can you take care of these girls for me dude? We’re going to grab a drink, we’ll be back in 2 minutes, (then say to her friends) I’ll bring her right back, just 2 minutes.” and leave him there with them giving me full isolation lol

Also hard lols at the cougar at 4:40 waving the foam thing…after you watch the clip go back and watch her, it’s fucking hilarious. That’s a girl who’s determined to get laid (or at least get attention) lol They pass on the tall rich basketball player who got rejected in front of them and flag down this super good-looking jacked dude and his stylish blazer-wearing friend.

Did that guy hit the gym all month getting himself looking good and his buddy bought his nice blazer and put all this work into their looks, to get the attention of some plain cougars dressed in what I’d swear are sweatpants? Buff guy peaces out and the cougars leave. But hey man, he GOT FREE IOIS!!!! All that gym work paid off!!!!! lol Like I say, most of the time the guys relying on their externals and those free gimme IOIs end up getting those IOIs from aggressive average 6s…the smokin hot girls already have a bunch of good-looking rich dudes in their social circles. Focus on learning to make an emotional impact and take over her Predator vision.

Another clip of the Predator thing at the start of this video:

Julien’s student has enough attraction from the girl for her to leave the venue with him…but then his student stops giving her emotional impact, he falls into chode mode going for her number instead of pushing for the pull. So after Julien warns him a few times and the student ignores him, Julien steps in to demonstrate that the girl was 100% pullable if he would step up. Julien becomes the new shiny object making emotional impact on the girl (watch how hard she spikes when he says he’s here to lose his virginity) and the guy that she left the venue with fades into the blue blurry background on the Predator vision as Julien walks her away from him and down the street toward the pull (then gives her back to the guy at the very end, he just wanted to demonstrate that going for a stupid number was the wrong move and that the girl was down to be pulled).

She’s not even concerned about the other guy, she doesn’t say goodbye to him or look back for him or anything, he LITERALLY just ceases to exist in her mind. Like Arnold covered in mud, he becomes invisible to her.

If Julien HADN’T stepped in, that guy MIGHT have stumbled ass-backwards into the pull, or if he had stepped up and started walking her away she wouldn’t have a chance to engage with Julien. But emotional impact takes over when someone who understands game steps in.

And of course this classic set of vids (the first is the infield, the second is the breakdown of it):

This is VERRRRRRY oldschool PUA material, literally line for line out of the old teaching. But look at the reactions it gets. This is part of why PUA caught on, ’cause we would go out there and do this shit and get these reactions and it’s like “holy shit why does that HAPPEN?? We aren’t jacked, rich, etc but these girls minds get blown by just saying the right things and flipping the right triggers and we are TAKING OVER sets from other guys wtf??” and we felt like we WERE “cheating”, like we had a superpower lol This was some of the rare “filmed with a potato” infield footage we had to use to figure out how to get what was on paper to work infield back in the mid-2000s. Guys checking out pickup today probably don’t even realize how lucky they are to have literal thousands of hours of crystal clear infield footage of pickup (from ALL guys from all companies) to learn from (before making excuses why they can’t go approach some girls this weekend lol) We would have KILLED for that shit.

Anyway, with the Predator vision thing, this skinny scrawny scrubby looking rat-face dude walks into a set with two dudes gaming two girls and just with bare minimum material that has high emotional impact (opinion opener about men VS women, plus the camera, plus the Powerpuff Girls cold read that was huge at the time), the two guys, including the more alpha one that tries to take the attention of the girls back, fade into blue in the girls’ Predator vision as the girl’s emotions fly off the chart and their brains fry. You can see in the black dude’s faces that even THEY don’t know wtf is going on or how he made them invisible.

I hate that I even have to explain WHY the girls run off. Like guys now will watch this and go “well he blew himself out” or “oh that didn’t go well, they ran away so they didn’t get laid so that was terrible” or “oh the girls weren’t into him cause they ran off”. Like guys don’t study the old stuff about spiking Buying Temperature and “frying her circuits” (oldschool Tyler covers this in his old posts, probably in the Tyler Digest), but the reason they run off is that girls understand that when their BT spikes that high they’re running on full hindbrain emotion and no longer going to make “smart” forebrain decisions. So if they’re trying to be a good girl and not go fuck some dude at the bar, but you’re spiking their temp through the roof TOO hard, their circuits fry and if they have a friend there the friend will drag them away (like the classic “WE HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!!!!”). You see the one girl look back over her shoulder because she’s still drawn to the shiny object but her friend and what little forebrain sense she has left are dragging her away.

This is why you’ll sometimes run into sets where it’s going REALLY well and the girl is SUPER into you, but then she goes to the bathroom with her friends and when you see her again she’s ice cold to you and you feel like you’re starting over from scratch and are like “wtf happened???” What happened was her friends took her away from the source of her buying temp spiking long enough for her to cool back down and go back into using her rational forebrain and when you run into her again, she’s no longer in that same state she was in when she got dragged away.

The way to prevent this is to spike their temp but not TOO high, pull it back to normal conversation before it crosses into frying their circuits and just be ready to spike it when necessary (sprinkle it in like spices in cooking, don’t just floor the gas pedal on it non-stop). But Future fried their circuits on purpose because he realized he could capture a demonstration of what that looks like on film.

Notice again that the girls were presumably talking to the black dudes for a bit beforehand but the girls don’t even say goodbye to them or anything as they run off to let their buying temperatures settle back down…those guys literally CEASE TO EXIST once Future hits them with emotional impact, they fade into blue in her Predator vision. You can hear Future comment excitedly about capturing such high buying temperature spikes on film at the end lol even in the moment he knows that that was something beautiful to capture on film especially back then when the PUA community was still an underground secret as we all learned to “cheat”.

Again those guys might have gotten laid by those girls, as long as no one who knew what they were doing interfered.

Here’s another set with Future running SUPER oldschool game, watch at 50s in:

This is GREAT calibration. At 50 seconds in, he senses that the other girl is losing interest so he cuts his thread and switches to re-engaging her to bring her back in and what does he use? That fucking Powerpuff Girl line again and AGAIN look at the retarded huge emotional impact buying temp spike the girl goes through from it. It sounds RETARDED to us, as logical men, but the girls are responding to the vibe of it and he’s hitting their emotions with regards to cold reading and the stereotypes of the characters that were popular back then etc. That calibration is perfect though, the SECOND she glances away, BOOM, “you know what you remind me of?” and they’re both engaged again as she rambles about how much she loves the Powerpuff Girls. He shot a fucking HARPOON through her with emotional impact. And again he’s just this scrubby skinny rat-faced dude.

Notice the part at 1:47 where he COMPLAINS that no AMOGs come into his set for him to demonstrate on lol This guy is walking around Leicester Square which was NOTORIOUS for aggressive AMOGs competing over girls especially at last call, that’s why it’s called “The PUA Olympics” in the first video. That’s how confident we were with this shit. Go ahead, TRY to come into my set, you’re just giving me the opportunity to raise my value when I come off 1% cooler than you to the girls lol Guys these days cry and whine when other guys come into their sets, and build entire pickup systems based around gaming in environments where you can avoid having to deal with other guys, but this was the oldschool mentality where we were challenging ourselves and pushing the limits to see what was possible, hitting the field regularly to test our game against any obstacles knowing that we could take them on because we had the “cheat codes” of understanding this shit.

In conclusion, remember this image infield, be this guy lol:


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Found another good clip of the Predator vision thing. Like Tyler joked in his oldschool Tyler Digest stuff about stealing girls with high buying temperature, it’s basically “follow the shiny object girls, over here, follow it!!” lol

This black dude approaches pretty alpha, stepping into this guy’s set trying to take the girls. Dude looks good and flat out brags that he’s a basketball player and makes more money than the white dude (LITERALLY says it out loud qualifying himself to the girls at 2:35 trying to win their interest…look how try-hard qualifying low-value it comes off when you purposely draw attention to it like that lol even the ugly little one doesn’t give a shit when she SHOULD be jumping on his dick according to society’s rules of how attraction works).

All the white dude does is stay unreactive to the black guy and keeps talking and holding his girl. The other guy blows himself out by not having game. Also lol’ed hard when he came back after leaving to try again but can’t even get back in the set and gets blown out by another chick in front of them lol

For the girls, the black dude has little bits of glow on their Predator vision but the guy just isn’t interesting and doesn’t have emotional impact, while the white guy is holding his girl’s attention, so they keep being drawn to that energy and the black guy gets cut out of the set. Look how low value he looks when he’s cut out of the set. Imagine you’re some hot girl watching this go down, which of these guys would you be receptive to if they approached you? The guy holding the attention of 3 girls or the guy standing behind them all pretending to check his phone and then slinking off into the background.

Thing is I bet this black dude talks THE most smack out of his buddies when they’re pregaming, like he probably thinks he’s a huge pimp playa, not a lot of guys will barge into a set like that, but the field reveals all.

Student could have done better too, I would have LOVED this guy coming in because he basically takes the attention of the other two girls leaving me the opportunity to focus on the one I’m talking to. I would just strafe too the right a step as I’m talking so that my girl turns her back to her friends and then I have solid isolation with her and the black dude can try to entertain the other two for me lol I might even ask the guy in front of the girls “hey can you take care of these girls for me dude? We’re going to grab a drink, we’ll be back in 2 minutes, (then say to her friends) I’ll bring her right back, just 2 minutes.” and leave him there with them giving me full isolation lol

Also hard lols at the cougar at 4:40 waving the foam thing…after you watch the clip go back and watch her, it’s fucking hilarious. That’s a girl who’s determined to get laid (or at least get attention) lol They pass on the tall rich basketball player who got rejected in front of them and flag down this super good-looking jacked dude and his stylish blazer-wearing friend.

Did that guy hit the gym all month getting himself looking good and his buddy bought his nice blazer and put all this work into their looks, to get the attention of some plain cougars dressed in what I’d swear are sweatpants? Buff guy peaces out and the cougars leave. But hey man, he GOT FREE IOIS!!!! All that gym work paid off!!!!! lol Like I say, most of the time the guys relying on their externals and those free gimme IOIs end up getting those IOIs from aggressive average 6s…the smokin hot girls already have a bunch of good-looking rich dudes in their social circles. Focus on learning to make an emotional impact and take over her Predator vision.

Another clip of the Predator thing at the start of this video:

Julien’s student has enough attraction from the girl for her to leave the venue with him…but then his student stops giving her emotional impact, he falls into chode mode going for her number instead of pushing for the pull. So after Julien warns him a few times and the student ignores him, Julien steps in to demonstrate that the girl was 100% pullable if he would step up. Julien becomes the new shiny object making emotional impact on the girl (watch how hard she spikes when he says he’s here to lose his virginity) and the guy that she left the venue with fades into the blue blurry background on the Predator vision as Julien walks her away from him and down the street toward the pull (then gives her back to the guy at the very end, he just wanted to demonstrate that going for a stupid number was the wrong move and that the girl was down to be pulled).

She’s not even concerned about the other guy, she doesn’t say goodbye to him or look back for him or anything, he LITERALLY just ceases to exist in her mind. Like Arnold covered in mud, he becomes invisible to her.

If Julien HADN’T stepped in, that guy MIGHT have stumbled ass-backwards into the pull, or if he had stepped up and started walking her away she wouldn’t have a chance to engage with Julien. But emotional impact takes over when someone who understands game steps in.

And of course this classic set of vids (the first is the infield, the second is the breakdown of it):

This is VERRRRRRY oldschool PUA material, literally line for line out of the old teaching. But look at the reactions it gets. This is part of why PUA caught on, ’cause we would go out there and do this shit and get these reactions and it’s like “holy shit why does that HAPPEN?? We aren’t jacked, rich, etc but these girls minds get blown by just saying the right things and flipping the right triggers and we are TAKING OVER sets from other guys wtf??” and we felt like we WERE “cheating”, like we had a superpower lol This was some of the rare “filmed with a potato” infield footage we had to use to figure out how to get what was on paper to work infield back in the mid-2000s. Guys checking out pickup today probably don’t even realize how lucky they are to have literal thousands of hours of crystal clear infield footage of pickup (from ALL guys from all companies) to learn from (before making excuses why they can’t go approach some girls this weekend lol) We would have KILLED for that shit.

Anyway, with the Predator vision thing, this skinny scrawny scrubby looking rat-face dude walks into a set with two dudes gaming two girls and just with bare minimum material that has high emotional impact (opinion opener about men VS women, plus the camera, plus the Powerpuff Girls cold read that was huge at the time), the two guys, including the more alpha one that tries to take the attention of the girls back, fade into blue in the girls’ Predator vision as the girl’s emotions fly off the chart and their brains fry. You can see in the black dude’s faces that even THEY don’t know wtf is going on or how he made them invisible.

I hate that I even have to explain WHY the girls run off. Like guys now will watch this and go “well he blew himself out” or “oh that didn’t go well, they ran away so they didn’t get laid so that was terrible” or “oh the girls weren’t into him cause they ran off”. Like guys don’t study the old stuff about spiking Buying Temperature and “frying her circuits” (oldschool Tyler covers this in his old posts, probably in the Tyler Digest), but the reason they run off is that girls understand that when their BT spikes that high they’re running on full hindbrain emotion and no longer going to make “smart” forebrain decisions. So if they’re trying to be a good girl and not go fuck some dude at the bar, but you’re spiking their temp through the roof TOO hard, their circuits fry and if they have a friend there the friend will drag them away (like the classic “WE HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!!!!”). You see the one girl look back over her shoulder because she’s still drawn to the shiny object but her friend and what little forebrain sense she has left are dragging her away.

This is why you’ll sometimes run into sets where it’s going REALLY well and the girl is SUPER into you, but then she goes to the bathroom with her friends and when you see her again she’s ice cold to you and you feel like you’re starting over from scratch and are like “wtf happened???” What happened was her friends took her away from the source of her buying temp spiking long enough for her to cool back down and go back into using her rational forebrain and when you run into her again, she’s no longer in that same state she was in when she got dragged away.

The way to prevent this is to spike their temp but not TOO high, pull it back to normal conversation before it crosses into frying their circuits and just be ready to spike it when necessary (sprinkle it in like spices in cooking, don’t just floor the gas pedal on it non-stop). But Future fried their circuits on purpose because he realized he could capture a demonstration of what that looks like on film.

Notice again that the girls were presumably talking to the black dudes for a bit beforehand but the girls don’t even say goodbye to them or anything as they run off to let their buying temperatures settle back down…those guys literally CEASE TO EXIST once Future hits them with emotional impact, they fade into blue in her Predator vision. You can hear Future comment excitedly about capturing such high buying temperature spikes on film at the end lol even in the moment he knows that that was something beautiful to capture on film especially back then when the PUA community was still an underground secret as we all learned to “cheat”.

Again those guys might have gotten laid by those girls, as long as no one who knew what they were doing interfered.

Here’s another set with Future running SUPER oldschool game, watch at 50s in:

This is GREAT calibration. At 50 seconds in, he senses that the other girl is losing interest so he cuts his thread and switches to re-engaging her to bring her back in and what does he use? That fucking Powerpuff Girl line again and AGAIN look at the retarded huge emotional impact buying temp spike the girl goes through from it. It sounds RETARDED to us, as logical men, but the girls are responding to the vibe of it and he’s hitting their emotions with regards to cold reading and the stereotypes of the characters that were popular back then etc. That calibration is perfect though, the SECOND she glances away, BOOM, “you know what you remind me of?” and they’re both engaged again as she rambles about how much she loves the Powerpuff Girls. He shot a fucking HARPOON through her with emotional impact. And again he’s just this scrubby skinny rat-faced dude.

Notice the part at 1:47 where he COMPLAINS that no AMOGs come into his set for him to demonstrate on lol This guy is walking around Leicester Square which was NOTORIOUS for aggressive AMOGs competing over girls especially at last call, that’s why it’s called “The PUA Olympics” in the first video. That’s how confident we were with this shit. Go ahead, TRY to come into my set, you’re just giving me the opportunity to raise my value when I come off 1% cooler than you to the girls lol Guys these days cry and whine when other guys come into their sets, and build entire pickup systems based around gaming in environments where you can avoid having to deal with other guys, but this was the oldschool mentality where we were challenging ourselves and pushing the limits to see what was possible, hitting the field regularly to test our game against any obstacles knowing that we could take them on because we had the “cheat codes” of understanding this shit.

In conclusion, remember this image infield, be this guy lol:


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And last but not least, here’s a recent example of why we prefer to just avoid dealing with aggressive AMOGs in general (like Max did) even if it means being “humiliated” by not keeping our street cred in front of a bunch of random strangers who won’t remember us from a hole in the wall:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/harrow-school-boy-died-from-single-punch-after-telling-club-promoter-youll-work-for-me-one-day-a6991941.html

Just not worth the risk lol Neither party in that news story needed their lives to go to shit, but they did because two guys were trying to act tough over something trivial.

Having social calibration and a detachment from your ego goes a loooong way to preventing these unfortunate outcomes. Stay safe out there!


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And last but not least, here’s a recent example of why we prefer to just avoid dealing with aggressive AMOGs in general (like Max did) even if it means being “humiliated” by not keeping our street cred in front of a bunch of random strangers who won’t remember us from a hole in the wall:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/harrow-school-boy-died-from-single-punch-after-telling-club-promoter-youll-work-for-me-one-day-a6991941.html

Just not worth the risk lol Neither party in that news story needed their lives to go to shit, but they did because two guys were trying to act tough over something trivial.

Having social calibration and a detachment from your ego goes a loooong way to preventing these unfortunate outcomes. Stay safe out there!


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@scribblerg
“Again, it’s ego and probably YaReally and others find this predictable for a naturalish guy like me.”

Yup. That’s why I didn’t comment. The longer your ego holds onto believing that you’re a special snowflake and that your problems are unique and special and us young bucks can’t understand them because we aren’t 73 and didn’t pitch our book to a million editors etc, the longer you’re going to be trapped by your ego convincing you that no one can help you and that the solution to your problems isn’t “shut the fuck up, quit feeling sorry for yourself, and just keep working hard and eating shit and taking the hits until you get to where you want” just like it is for everyone else lol

I don’t know the technical terms for it but your ego is basically rejecting the world and curling up in the fetal position under the bedsheets convincing you it’s your only friend. It knows you better than we do, you trusted it your whole life, you’d be nothing without it.

“Do you know life without me? NO. Because it doesn’t EXIST. I protect you. You’re listening to NEW people that want to HURT you Jake, NEW. Not OLD FRIENDS like ME. People you shouldn’t trust. Me, I’ve been your friend FOREVER, since the BEGINNING. It’s us against them, Jake. You wanna get rid of ME? You wanna make an enemy out of ME?? ME???”

So now you’re in a mode of “fuck the world, fuck everyone, fuck all you guys, fuck sarging, fuck all this shit, guess what did I sarge? No, you know why? Because I do what I WANT” like some sassy 16yo girl who thinks no one understands the heartbreak she’s going through with some boy at school and why she’s rebelling against…she doesn’t even KNOW what lol

“I also can see their temp isn’t getting spiked and I feel like an idiot, loser, creepy old guy etc. It was much easier on the ego to pretend “I still have it” based on a few IOIs and approaches. But actually trying to escalate and move from there? Yeah, with my externals, I’d better have some motherfucking game. But I don’t.”

Welcome to what life was like for all of the chodes around you in your prime who weren’t able to rely on free handout IOIs lol You’re like a hot girl who’s hit the wall and is realizing men aren’t going to just fall over themselves to date you now. Now you’re just an average dude and have to learn to develop solid internals within that, even when shit is hitting the fan and falling apart around you.

“I even found myself resisting what I knew to do in set in favor of the safe “Uncle Bob” vibe. God forbid I actually make clear to some 23yo hottie that I want to fuck her and she makes a weird face. I’d rather give up and come here and shit on you guys than face that. Arghhh.”

That’s why we’re here lol

“So, I stopped about 2 months ago and decided that I was going to just work on my life etc. But that’s bullshit. I just don’t want to feel like a creepy old guy, it’s too threatening to my ego.”

Yup. That’s what I would have said in my reply lol That’s what half the TRP forums are doing when they talk about going “monk mode”. It’s just ego protection because they don’t want to risk “bad feels”.

Like I say, look at those Future PUA vids I posted with the Leicester Square guys, that dude is JONESING for a challenge. All us oldschool guys had our egos shoved in our faces every night out and just kept plowing forward. We felt the same fears you feel, we felt the same resistance, we made the same excuses at points, but at the end of the day none of that shit will get you the results you want. The only thing there is is sucking it up and taking right action and embracing the pain. Just like the gym, just like work, just like anything.

We KNOW the motivational montage videos with voiceovers to footage of dudes climbing mountains and shit is cheesy and generic. We KNOW saying read some Tolle or listen to some Tony Robbins is frustrating to hear. We KNOW it feels like that’s all just patronizing shit.

But after you fight against the current feeling sorry for yourself and living out your victim identity to the point where you finally accept that it’s not getting you anywhere, you come back to the reality that as cheesy as all that shit is, they’re RIGHT. All there is is taking right action and moving forward and changing your mindset. You can’t control other shit, you’ll get blindsided by shit at points in ways that are ENTIRELY unfair. But you just deal with it.

This is my favorite demonstration of acceptance:

As he watches his car and his one copy of his new book manuscript (or whatever it’s called) drive off, COMPLETELY unfairly, he just lights a cigarette, sighs out a puff of smoke, turns around, and starts walking home. No victimization, no crying, no whining, no anger, just acceptance of a shitty situation and immediately walking toward finding solutions for it.

“And to come here and have it all thrown in my face and to see how I’m compensating and falling back into a my false ego/consciousness of being the “older, wise man” who’s had a lot of ass and knows what’s what etc., and not be able to stop myself, well fuck.”

Yup. We can all see it, but it’s a good sign that YOU can see it now. A few years ago you probably wouldn’t realize you were in a tailspin.

“Rewiring my shit at 53 is such a motherfucker sometimes.”

Start with never saying “at 53” ever again. Rewiring your shit is a motherfucker. Quit referring to your age. Every time you do, you put yourself in that special snowflake box where your ego won’t let you accept help or learn from others you (often mistakenly) view as outside of that box.

I don’t even know most of your ages. I assume everyone is in the late 20s to late 30s range lol Because it doesn’t matter. The advice is the same regardless of your age. Attraction is attraction and rewiring your internals is rewiring your internals and taking right action is taking right action, so I don’t care what age you guys are, or what race you are, or how tall you are, or whatever. It’s irrelevant to the things I’m explaining. All that matters is go out infield and do your Field Reports and we can help you get on the right path regardless of that other shit because it’s the same path for everyone and your problems, doubts, fears, resistance, challenges, etc have been felt by hundreds of thousands of other guys and been overcome by tons of them.

“Turns out playing the hardass shuts women down. They don’t trust you and in my case it was incongruent.

Natural Solipsism here lol Playing the hardass is fine. Playing the hardass from a place of ego protection, fear, bravado (overcompensation), insecurity, and being incongruent, is what shuts women down. Women are VERY fine-tuned to this while most guys are too spergy and lack the social experience to notice it. It’s a part of women’s S/R that they learn to spot little incongruencies and shit. If they pick the wrong dude to trust and he falls apart when shit hits the fan because he was faking, they’re helpless. And they’re bombarded with men trying to take value from them from the second they sprout tits (or sooner, right Fleezer? lol) Their radar isn’t perfect, the whole “a woman always knows” thing is bullshit, you can obviously fake a lot and not trigger their radar for it, but in general they’re pretty good at spotting something being “off” and trusting that instinct (because they have the attention of a zillion other guys, why would they bother taking a chance on you in 2016 if you give off a possible “not sure he’s really who he seems to be” vibe?).

“Sure, I can open and get a spike but beyond that? Total shit. Whether in a longer gambit or in set.”

Nobody wins the game for walking onto the field. Gotta step up and play ball. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Tyler’s speaking directly to you and your sticking point in this vid:

@peregrinejohn
“YaReally, man, you are the other half of the philosophy Rollo presents us with. The action to go with the thought, and together, an unstoppable yin-yang of life improvement. Always glad you’re here.”

I like the deeper discussions in general here. But someone has to crack the whip and make you guys go out. It’s VERY addicting to wax theoretical/philosophical. But there’s a point where theory has to be put to the test infield and we need guys on the frontlines trying to stick their dick into hot <25yo girls in 2016 to iron out the nuances and bring up counter-points from the field if things need re-evaluating.

"When first unplugging, I think a lot of men become angry because they’ve put so much effort into goals and dreams that were based completely on illusion."

Ya that's part of why I get so much flak when I talk about how looks and money don't matter. I'm basically telling guys "EVERYTHING you've worked hard to accomplish in your life was a waste of time. It means NOTHING. You could have just sat on a couch being a bum and gotten the same or better results with women. You wasted most of your life chasing shit that doesn't really matter in the longrun." That's hard to hear and it's easy to shoot the messenger on that one. Not to pick on scribblerg but look how much he accomplished in his life, but here he is exactly where walawala, Sentient, Softek, myself, etc are…dealing with rewiring internals and having to hit the field and approach girls. Externals can always be taken away and were just rungs on the hamster wheel to keep you from questioning things too deep.

It's like David Spade said: everyone pats Clooney on the back for being a bachelor (when he was), and Dicaprio etc, we accept that those guys would play the field and fuck a bunch of girls. But no one wants David Spade to be that guy, for HIM it's "why don't you settle down already, what are you doing, that's creepy" because little skinny snarky David Spade succeeding with hot girls taller than him etc forces everyone's ego to consider for a split second "maybe all this effort I'm putting in is pointless after all, maybe I'm focused on the wrong channels and goals ENTIRELY" and then brushes it out of the way because they're so invested in their path that they can't give it up, and often they'll double-down on solidifying that belief system the same way a girl will rationalize why she slept with a guy by focusing on good points and ignoring his flaws because if she saw his flaws then she'd just be a dumb girl who fucked a shitty guy and she's NOT a dumb girl no way lol

@Sentient
"Guys wonder how you go into a DHV story off an open, this is how.. you just go into it… suspend logic, suspend convention “so check this out” is a good transition…"

Yup:

"seems like the best time is the hour just before this.. when it’s also a good time to get a venue bounce in."

Yup. My buddy and I use the first hour to build our value (just be social, open anything around us, guys, girls, staff, whatever, introduce girls to eachother, play them off eachother, shake off the cobwebs from working all week etc) then we lock into whatever we think is solid and seed the pull ("I'm hungry as fuck, so anyway bla bla") and push for the pull around 12:30-1:00.

The irony is that a lot of those girls would pull MUCH faster in a different venue, but because they're in a nightclub/bar there's that unwritten "rhythm of the night" thing where they want to blow off steam and go dance and flirt with other guys to make sure you're the best ones and go through that whole movie instead of fast-forwarding through it to skip to the ending like we want to do as guys lol

It's not that you CAN'T pull early. Julien COULD try to befriend that girl's friends and spend the night hanging with them and run a big production to maybe make it happen…but he's out with Tyler and crew and there are tons of girls and that girl isn't anything magically special that's worth spending the whole night with her to get her and he knows how to solidify numbers pretty solid so he just makes the judgement call that the logistics are too uphill a battle to bother with.

There are times where I would bail on a long set like that too because I'm sarging with a buddy most of the time and trying to get us BOTH laid not just me. But when I'm out solo I'll run a set like that into the ground and take it as far as I can and work her group etc because hey, why not, I'm out solo, let's see what happens. And that's led to a lot of funny/unexpected adventures (even when it DOESN'T lead to sex) that I use as story/conversation-fodder for my next nights sarging lol

"but in the context of SNL pulls especially, it does seem to be something to factor in."

Push every set for the pull. Tyler talks about it in his latest hotseat infields, he's ALWAYS trying to actually PULL, he's not AIMING for the number. He'll TAKE the number, if he HAS to, but he knows there's a good chance of it flaking. Julien knows he has decent txt/phone game and can solidify the numbers with the way he gets them so it's an option either way for him. If your numbers are as solidly time-bridged and invested as Juliens are, then a number's probably fine (but even then watch his stuff on closing/numbers/phone game in PIMP, he knows he has to see her again within like 48 hours or the number is probably wood).

Todd and Julien stress a good point though: when you exchange numbers, the pressure is OFF to go home with you. She doesn't HAVE to go home with you because she thinks she can just txt you and you'll see eachother another night. She has NO IDEA she's going to flake when her emotions change. So when you bail on the pull for the number, a lot of times you COULD have gotten the pull but you let her have your number and then she lost the incentive to go home with you because Sally is sick from drinking too much and needs a ride home. If she thought you were high value and that she was NEVER going to see you again if she doesn't go with you RIGHT NOW, she would put Sally in a cab and beg forgiveness the next day. But when you go "well it's early in the night, I'll just get her number", then you spend the rest of the night gaming her and Sally goes "I'm sick" and she goes "well it was nice meeting you I'll totes txt you byeeeeeeee" and now you end up with a flake lol

It's important to TRY taking every set to a pull. Spent a month trying to venue change LITERALLY every set out of the venue. Every single set as soon as you hook go "I'm hungry, let's get pizza at bla bla it's just up the street we can come right back your friends won't even notice let's go" and see if you can get them out of the venue. Just to experience what happens first-hand. You'd be surprised how many girls are tired of the bar scene and down to bail on the venue once they've found an awesome guy…but at the same time some of them will want to stay to blow off their girl energy and watch the whole movie. Gotta calibrate. I like to pitch stuff about being way too old to be in here…if the girl says "omg I know right??" (even if it's because it's a kiddie bar and she's like a couple years older than the other girls, which is hilarious to me) that tells me she's probably cool with getting out of there sooner than a girl who says "noooo you're not too old!!" which tells me she wants me to stay there (convincing me not to leave) for later when she's had the whole movie.

"Hand then goes around waist as we walk out together… leaving chode standing there and with dozens of eyes – including last years 7 – watching the exit. This alone was worth it… LOL."

Solid. I love those moments. I know it's ego but I think it's hilarious when guys and girls are watching my sets going "wtf how did he do that??"

"I just employed what RSD guys call “wizard talk” – Don’t worry, it’s just down the street, come, follow me (hand on waist or holding hands), see that there, the next block…. etc. etc. works a charm (seriously everything about game is online here at CH, RSD or YaReally Archive"

lol a buddy and I once did that for literally like a 40 minute walk or something retarded. It was SO FUCKING FAR and we just kept saying oh it's just up the street and changing the subject and sprinkling in it's just up there just past that sign etc lol They were in heels too. We were just too cheap to get a cab, but hey, we learned how far we can push that move lol

"and we end up in a rut every time I try to move to more comfort/rapport. Fucking language barrier… She speaks pretty good English but with a strong accent. Lot’s of my subtle verbose game is going over her head and we keep coming back to the same themes"

lol this is part of why I don't care for the ESL foreign girls outside North America. Like 80% of the infield I see coming out of EE, the UK, whatever, it's these brutal broken english "talking to a 5 year old" conversations that I can't stand having myself. I LIKE being able to use verbal wit, puns, innuendo, wordplay etc and when girls can do that back to me.

"all of a sudden we end up talking about her husband (of 6 months) back in China and she is crying tears (the fuck?) and my scam radar is going off… But it turns out she is just a mixed up 25 YO hot chick with problems spanning 2 continents… She was sincere, and since she is slightly older than my daughter it triggers a paternal instinct and I give her some advice…"

lolol jesus. Just spent too long in comfort and ended up in shitty topic territory. If you could go back to that moment, what would you have done differently? If you're honest with yourself, could you have pulled her up to your room instead of fucking around downstairs having that drink/food? "The food here is terrible, we'll order delivery, come." Like, is there anything you could have done to pull her before entering that shitty drama territory? OR were you stuck in a mindset of "she's SO HOT, I can't just take her upstairs like I would if she was a 4 I was embarrassed to be with and just wanted to fuck as fast as possible and kick out…she's HOT, I have to play this SLOWER"? Were you waiting for green lights? (Todd talks a lot about how the really hot girls won't give you any feedback at all, they'll just go along with what you're doing but you'll never really be sure if she's into you, because she wants to make sure that you're the type that just ASSUMES she's into you because that's the type of guy she needs". It sounds like you had a shitload of value to her when you were at that party, so I'm asking the obvious question lol

"In retropsect – hitting the lounge and sitting was a mistake. Would have been better to be at the bar, closer and cut things off with more physical response earlier."

I like to "accidentally" pick a shitty bar and uncomfortable seats (crowded, on stools at the bar, by the windows where it's cold, wooden stools instead of a cushiony booth, shitty/sketchy crowd, obnoxiously drunk crowd, a kiddie venue, etc) if it's a venue I plan to bounce from. I WANT her to be uncomfortable because it's easier to suggest we get the fuck out of there if she doesn't like it there lol She'll like ME no matter what, cause I'm awesome, but the less she likes the venue the better. I'll often tell girls to doll up and then take them to a dive bar or shitty pub where everyone is dressed like shit while I dress down casually…I get good scenery and she's relieved to leave a place she feels overdressed in lol

"He wouldn’t allow himself to let go of his ego and looks much worse standing around like that… Shit sometimes when you get a rejection like that just OPEN any girls that are watching"

Yup. He lowered his own value. I like to lol and tell the nearest girls about how I got shot down and that I must be creepy etc and because I'm self-amusing they'll usually lol and be pretty receptive/friendly.

"But do not EVER go head down and pull out your phone. ever ever ever… that is a death signal for sure."

We allllll do it and we allllll know no one is actually getting txts. Even girls do it lol I like to tell girls flat out when my buddy brings me into set and I have my phone out "just a sec I'm pretending to text someone so I don't look lame standing here" lol

There was a time where no one pulled their phones out infield 'cause all we had were shitty garbage phones that were pretty much useless for anything but basic txts from close friends with like 5 words fitting on the screen and didn't have reception in half the venues. We were forced to actually INTERACT. If you were that black dude you were EATING SOCIAL PRESSURE until you DID SOMETHING instead of hiding in your phone thinking you're fooling people lol

I recommend guys try going out without their phone or turning it off so it takes time/effort to turn back on to use it (VS instinctively being able to grab it and use it) or go out with it down to like 10% battery life so you can't use it as a social buffer all night and you have to engage people.

@scribblerg
"I also know what good sex looks like and is so when I do finally get one of these chickies in the sack, i can handle that aspect."

Every week you avoid going out (even if it's for 20 minutes stone cold sober to open ONE set) is one week closer to the week your dick stops working FOREVER and you CAN'T fuck these chickies in the sack.


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“Again, it’s ego and probably YaReally and others find this predictable for a naturalish guy like me.”

Yup. That’s why I didn’t comment. The longer your ego holds onto believing that you’re a special snowflake and that your problems are unique and special and us young bucks can’t understand them because we aren’t 73 and didn’t pitch our book to a million editors etc, the longer you’re going to be trapped by your ego convincing you that no one can help you and that the solution to your problems isn’t “shut the fuck up, quit feeling sorry for yourself, and just keep working hard and eating shit and taking the hits until you get to where you want” just like it is for everyone else lol

I don’t know the technical terms for it but your ego is basically rejecting the world and curling up in the fetal position under the bedsheets convincing you it’s your only friend. It knows you better than we do, you trusted it your whole life, you’d be nothing without it.

“Do you know life without me? NO. Because it doesn’t EXIST. I protect you. You’re listening to NEW people that want to HURT you Jake, NEW. Not OLD FRIENDS like ME. People you shouldn’t trust. Me, I’ve been your friend FOREVER, since the BEGINNING. It’s us against them, Jake. You wanna get rid of ME? You wanna make an enemy out of ME?? ME???”

So now you’re in a mode of “fuck the world, fuck everyone, fuck all you guys, fuck sarging, fuck all this shit, guess what did I sarge? No, you know why? Because I do what I WANT” like some sassy 16yo girl who thinks no one understands the heartbreak she’s going through with some boy at school and why she’s rebelling against…she doesn’t even KNOW what lol

“I also can see their temp isn’t getting spiked and I feel like an idiot, loser, creepy old guy etc. It was much easier on the ego to pretend “I still have it” based on a few IOIs and approaches. But actually trying to escalate and move from there? Yeah, with my externals, I’d better have some motherfucking game. But I don’t.”

Welcome to what life was like for all of the chodes around you in your prime who weren’t able to rely on free handout IOIs lol You’re like a hot girl who’s hit the wall and is realizing men aren’t going to just fall over themselves to date you now. Now you’re just an average dude and have to learn to develop solid internals within that, even when shit is hitting the fan and falling apart around you.

“I even found myself resisting what I knew to do in set in favor of the safe “Uncle Bob” vibe. God forbid I actually make clear to some 23yo hottie that I want to fuck her and she makes a weird face. I’d rather give up and come here and shit on you guys than face that. Arghhh.”

That’s why we’re here lol

“So, I stopped about 2 months ago and decided that I was going to just work on my life etc. But that’s bullshit. I just don’t want to feel like a creepy old guy, it’s too threatening to my ego.”

Yup. That’s what I would have said in my reply lol That’s what half the TRP forums are doing when they talk about going “monk mode”. It’s just ego protection because they don’t want to risk “bad feels”.

Like I say, look at those Future PUA vids I posted with the Leicester Square guys, that dude is JONESING for a challenge. All us oldschool guys had our egos shoved in our faces every night out and just kept plowing forward. We felt the same fears you feel, we felt the same resistance, we made the same excuses at points, but at the end of the day none of that shit will get you the results you want. The only thing there is is sucking it up and taking right action and embracing the pain. Just like the gym, just like work, just like anything.

We KNOW the motivational montage videos with voiceovers to footage of dudes climbing mountains and shit is cheesy and generic. We KNOW saying read some Tolle or listen to some Tony Robbins is frustrating to hear. We KNOW it feels like that’s all just patronizing shit.

But after you fight against the current feeling sorry for yourself and living out your victim identity to the point where you finally accept that it’s not getting you anywhere, you come back to the reality that as cheesy as all that shit is, they’re RIGHT. All there is is taking right action and moving forward and changing your mindset. You can’t control other shit, you’ll get blindsided by shit at points in ways that are ENTIRELY unfair. But you just deal with it.

This is my favorite demonstration of acceptance:

As he watches his car and his one copy of his new book manuscript (or whatever it’s called) drive off, COMPLETELY unfairly, he just lights a cigarette, sighs out a puff of smoke, turns around, and starts walking home. No victimization, no crying, no whining, no anger, just acceptance of a shitty situation and immediately walking toward finding solutions for it.

“And to come here and have it all thrown in my face and to see how I’m compensating and falling back into a my false ego/consciousness of being the “older, wise man” who’s had a lot of ass and knows what’s what etc., and not be able to stop myself, well fuck.”

Yup. We can all see it, but it’s a good sign that YOU can see it now. A few years ago you probably wouldn’t realize you were in a tailspin.

“Rewiring my shit at 53 is such a motherfucker sometimes.”

Start with never saying “at 53” ever again. Rewiring your shit is a motherfucker. Quit referring to your age. Every time you do, you put yourself in that special snowflake box where your ego won’t let you accept help or learn from others you (often mistakenly) view as outside of that box.

I don’t even know most of your ages. I assume everyone is in the late 20s to late 30s range lol Because it doesn’t matter. The advice is the same regardless of your age. Attraction is attraction and rewiring your internals is rewiring your internals and taking right action is taking right action, so I don’t care what age you guys are, or what race you are, or how tall you are, or whatever. It’s irrelevant to the things I’m explaining. All that matters is go out infield and do your Field Reports and we can help you get on the right path regardless of that other shit because it’s the same path for everyone and your problems, doubts, fears, resistance, challenges, etc have been felt by hundreds of thousands of other guys and been overcome by tons of them.

“Turns out playing the hardass shuts women down. They don’t trust you and in my case it was incongruent.

Natural Solipsism here lol Playing the hardass is fine. Playing the hardass from a place of ego protection, fear, bravado (overcompensation), insecurity, and being incongruent, is what shuts women down. Women are VERY fine-tuned to this while most guys are too spergy and lack the social experience to notice it. It’s a part of women’s S/R that they learn to spot little incongruencies and shit. If they pick the wrong dude to trust and he falls apart when shit hits the fan because he was faking, they’re helpless. And they’re bombarded with men trying to take value from them from the second they sprout tits (or sooner, right Fleezer? lol) Their radar isn’t perfect, the whole “a woman always knows” thing is bullshit, you can obviously fake a lot and not trigger their radar for it, but in general they’re pretty good at spotting something being “off” and trusting that instinct (because they have the attention of a zillion other guys, why would they bother taking a chance on you in 2016 if you give off a possible “not sure he’s really who he seems to be” vibe?).

“Sure, I can open and get a spike but beyond that? Total shit. Whether in a longer gambit or in set.”

Nobody wins the game for walking onto the field. Gotta step up and play ball. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Tyler’s speaking directly to you and your sticking point in this vid:

@peregrinejohn
“YaReally, man, you are the other half of the philosophy Rollo presents us with. The action to go with the thought, and together, an unstoppable yin-yang of life improvement. Always glad you’re here.”

I like the deeper discussions in general here. But someone has to crack the whip and make you guys go out. It’s VERY addicting to wax theoretical/philosophical. But there’s a point where theory has to be put to the test infield and we need guys on the frontlines trying to stick their dick into hot <25yo girls in 2016 to iron out the nuances and bring up counter-points from the field if things need re-evaluating.

"When first unplugging, I think a lot of men become angry because they’ve put so much effort into goals and dreams that were based completely on illusion."

Ya that's part of why I get so much flak when I talk about how looks and money don't matter. I'm basically telling guys "EVERYTHING you've worked hard to accomplish in your life was a waste of time. It means NOTHING. You could have just sat on a couch being a bum and gotten the same or better results with women. You wasted most of your life chasing shit that doesn't really matter in the longrun." That's hard to hear and it's easy to shoot the messenger on that one. Not to pick on scribblerg but look how much he accomplished in his life, but here he is exactly where walawala, Sentient, Softek, myself, etc are…dealing with rewiring internals and having to hit the field and approach girls. Externals can always be taken away and were just rungs on the hamster wheel to keep you from questioning things too deep.

It's like David Spade said: everyone pats Clooney on the back for being a bachelor (when he was), and Dicaprio etc, we accept that those guys would play the field and fuck a bunch of girls. But no one wants David Spade to be that guy, for HIM it's "why don't you settle down already, what are you doing, that's creepy" because little skinny snarky David Spade succeeding with hot girls taller than him etc forces everyone's ego to consider for a split second "maybe all this effort I'm putting in is pointless after all, maybe I'm focused on the wrong channels and goals ENTIRELY" and then brushes it out of the way because they're so invested in their path that they can't give it up, and often they'll double-down on solidifying that belief system the same way a girl will rationalize why she slept with a guy by focusing on good points and ignoring his flaws because if she saw his flaws then she'd just be a dumb girl who fucked a shitty guy and she's NOT a dumb girl no way lol

@Sentient
"Guys wonder how you go into a DHV story off an open, this is how.. you just go into it… suspend logic, suspend convention “so check this out” is a good transition…"

Yup:

"seems like the best time is the hour just before this.. when it’s also a good time to get a venue bounce in."

Yup. My buddy and I use the first hour to build our value (just be social, open anything around us, guys, girls, staff, whatever, introduce girls to eachother, play them off eachother, shake off the cobwebs from working all week etc) then we lock into whatever we think is solid and seed the pull ("I'm hungry as fuck, so anyway bla bla") and push for the pull around 12:30-1:00.

The irony is that a lot of those girls would pull MUCH faster in a different venue, but because they're in a nightclub/bar there's that unwritten "rhythm of the night" thing where they want to blow off steam and go dance and flirt with other guys to make sure you're the best ones and go through that whole movie instead of fast-forwarding through it to skip to the ending like we want to do as guys lol

It's not that you CAN'T pull early. Julien COULD try to befriend that girl's friends and spend the night hanging with them and run a big production to maybe make it happen…but he's out with Tyler and crew and there are tons of girls and that girl isn't anything magically special that's worth spending the whole night with her to get her and he knows how to solidify numbers pretty solid so he just makes the judgement call that the logistics are too uphill a battle to bother with.

There are times where I would bail on a long set like that too because I'm sarging with a buddy most of the time and trying to get us BOTH laid not just me. But when I'm out solo I'll run a set like that into the ground and take it as far as I can and work her group etc because hey, why not, I'm out solo, let's see what happens. And that's led to a lot of funny/unexpected adventures (even when it DOESN'T lead to sex) that I use as story/conversation-fodder for my next nights sarging lol

"but in the context of SNL pulls especially, it does seem to be something to factor in."

Push every set for the pull. Tyler talks about it in his latest hotseat infields, he's ALWAYS trying to actually PULL, he's not AIMING for the number. He'll TAKE the number, if he HAS to, but he knows there's a good chance of it flaking. Julien knows he has decent txt/phone game and can solidify the numbers with the way he gets them so it's an option either way for him. If your numbers are as solidly time-bridged and invested as Juliens are, then a number's probably fine (but even then watch his stuff on closing/numbers/phone game in PIMP, he knows he has to see her again within like 48 hours or the number is probably wood).

Todd and Julien stress a good point though: when you exchange numbers, the pressure is OFF to go home with you. She doesn't HAVE to go home with you because she thinks she can just txt you and you'll see eachother another night. She has NO IDEA she's going to flake when her emotions change. So when you bail on the pull for the number, a lot of times you COULD have gotten the pull but you let her have your number and then she lost the incentive to go home with you because Sally is sick from drinking too much and needs a ride home. If she thought you were high value and that she was NEVER going to see you again if she doesn't go with you RIGHT NOW, she would put Sally in a cab and beg forgiveness the next day. But when you go "well it's early in the night, I'll just get her number", then you spend the rest of the night gaming her and Sally goes "I'm sick" and she goes "well it was nice meeting you I'll totes txt you byeeeeeeee" and now you end up with a flake lol

It's important to TRY taking every set to a pull. Spent a month trying to venue change LITERALLY every set out of the venue. Every single set as soon as you hook go "I'm hungry, let's get pizza at bla bla it's just up the street we can come right back your friends won't even notice let's go" and see if you can get them out of the venue. Just to experience what happens first-hand. You'd be surprised how many girls are tired of the bar scene and down to bail on the venue once they've found an awesome guy…but at the same time some of them will want to stay to blow off their girl energy and watch the whole movie. Gotta calibrate. I like to pitch stuff about being way too old to be in here…if the girl says "omg I know right??" (even if it's because it's a kiddie bar and she's like a couple years older than the other girls, which is hilarious to me) that tells me she's probably cool with getting out of there sooner than a girl who says "noooo you're not too old!!" which tells me she wants me to stay there (convincing me not to leave) for later when she's had the whole movie.

"Hand then goes around waist as we walk out together… leaving chode standing there and with dozens of eyes – including last years 7 – watching the exit. This alone was worth it… LOL."

Solid. I love those moments. I know it's ego but I think it's hilarious when guys and girls are watching my sets going "wtf how did he do that??"

"I just employed what RSD guys call “wizard talk” – Don’t worry, it’s just down the street, come, follow me (hand on waist or holding hands), see that there, the next block…. etc. etc. works a charm (seriously everything about game is online here at CH, RSD or YaReally Archive"

lol a buddy and I once did that for literally like a 40 minute walk or something retarded. It was SO FUCKING FAR and we just kept saying oh it's just up the street and changing the subject and sprinkling in it's just up there just past that sign etc lol They were in heels too. We were just too cheap to get a cab, but hey, we learned how far we can push that move lol

"and we end up in a rut every time I try to move to more comfort/rapport. Fucking language barrier… She speaks pretty good English but with a strong accent. Lot’s of my subtle verbose game is going over her head and we keep coming back to the same themes"

lol this is part of why I don't care for the ESL foreign girls outside North America. Like 80% of the infield I see coming out of EE, the UK, whatever, it's these brutal broken english "talking to a 5 year old" conversations that I can't stand having myself. I LIKE being able to use verbal wit, puns, innuendo, wordplay etc and when girls can do that back to me.

"all of a sudden we end up talking about her husband (of 6 months) back in China and she is crying tears (the fuck?) and my scam radar is going off… But it turns out she is just a mixed up 25 YO hot chick with problems spanning 2 continents… She was sincere, and since she is slightly older than my daughter it triggers a paternal instinct and I give her some advice…"

lolol jesus. Just spent too long in comfort and ended up in shitty topic territory. If you could go back to that moment, what would you have done differently? If you're honest with yourself, could you have pulled her up to your room instead of fucking around downstairs having that drink/food? "The food here is terrible, we'll order delivery, come." Like, is there anything you could have done to pull her before entering that shitty drama territory? OR were you stuck in a mindset of "she's SO HOT, I can't just take her upstairs like I would if she was a 4 I was embarrassed to be with and just wanted to fuck as fast as possible and kick out…she's HOT, I have to play this SLOWER"? Were you waiting for green lights? (Todd talks a lot about how the really hot girls won't give you any feedback at all, they'll just go along with what you're doing but you'll never really be sure if she's into you, because she wants to make sure that you're the type that just ASSUMES she's into you because that's the type of guy she needs". It sounds like you had a shitload of value to her when you were at that party, so I'm asking the obvious question lol

"In retropsect – hitting the lounge and sitting was a mistake. Would have been better to be at the bar, closer and cut things off with more physical response earlier."

I like to "accidentally" pick a shitty bar and uncomfortable seats (crowded, on stools at the bar, by the windows where it's cold, wooden stools instead of a cushiony booth, shitty/sketchy crowd, obnoxiously drunk crowd, a kiddie venue, etc) if it's a venue I plan to bounce from. I WANT her to be uncomfortable because it's easier to suggest we get the fuck out of there if she doesn't like it there lol She'll like ME no matter what, cause I'm awesome, but the less she likes the venue the better. I'll often tell girls to doll up and then take them to a dive bar or shitty pub where everyone is dressed like shit while I dress down casually…I get good scenery and she's relieved to leave a place she feels overdressed in lol

"He wouldn’t allow himself to let go of his ego and looks much worse standing around like that… Shit sometimes when you get a rejection like that just OPEN any girls that are watching"

Yup. He lowered his own value. I like to lol and tell the nearest girls about how I got shot down and that I must be creepy etc and because I'm self-amusing they'll usually lol and be pretty receptive/friendly.

"But do not EVER go head down and pull out your phone. ever ever ever… that is a death signal for sure."

We allllll do it and we allllll know no one is actually getting txts. Even girls do it lol I like to tell girls flat out when my buddy brings me into set and I have my phone out "just a sec I'm pretending to text someone so I don't look lame standing here" lol

There was a time where no one pulled their phones out infield 'cause all we had were shitty garbage phones that were pretty much useless for anything but basic txts from close friends with like 5 words fitting on the screen and didn't have reception in half the venues. We were forced to actually INTERACT. If you were that black dude you were EATING SOCIAL PRESSURE until you DID SOMETHING instead of hiding in your phone thinking you're fooling people lol

I recommend guys try going out without their phone or turning it off so it takes time/effort to turn back on to use it (VS instinctively being able to grab it and use it) or go out with it down to like 10% battery life so you can't use it as a social buffer all night and you have to engage people.

@scribblerg
"I also know what good sex looks like and is so when I do finally get one of these chickies in the sack, i can handle that aspect."

Every week you avoid going out (even if it's for 20 minutes stone cold sober to open ONE set) is one week closer to the week your dick stops working FOREVER and you CAN'T fuck these chickies in the sack.


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@fleezer
“puas are heavily invested in their narratives but the cracks in their arguments appear again and again”

oh god lol this should be good.

“almost all puas acknowledge the progression in game towards getting the “quality women” after banging hundreds of club sluts. in many of their game models the “quality women” are the apex”

“almost all puas acknowledge the “loves of their lives” that for one reason or another decided to leave them.”

Most PUAs still have some Blue Pill fantasies about settling down with the right girl. They need to read TRM really lol They don’t have a full breakdown of long term LTRs because their main focus is the pickup and first few years of a relationship. Bruce Lee probably couldn’t play the guitar but that doesn’t invalidate what he taught.

“they acknowledge the “shallow” existence of one night stands and no-name bathroom sex”

lol you can’t just make shit up. This is the Internet, anyone can google what PUA actually teaches. I get the impression that you aren’t used to having your bullshit called out much, that you would think you can just say “PUA teaches this” and fill in whatever has your panties in a twist that day:

ONS and anonymous bathroom sex CAN be shallow, but it can also be fun, it depends on where you are in life and what your goals are. Just like a solid LTR can be rewarding if that’s the place in life you’re in.

They definitely often have the idea that once you settle with a girl there’s not much work left to do in maintaining that though, I don’t disagree with that. That’s what we need Rollo for. One day PUAs will be reading Rollo’s books as supplement for long-term successful relationships. I fully expect a bunch of them to get burned hard chasing the Disney dream, despite all the shit they see infield a lot of them still have the same Madonna/Whore complex Blue Pill and anit-gamers have. You know, guys who say stuff like your next two quotes lol:

“on whom does it work? girls who want it to work. engaging in social interaction with guys and allowing and encouraging escalation means the girl wants it to happen.”

Then why do we keep hearing “sorry I didn’t shave, I wasn’t expecting to come home with you tonight, I was really trying NOT to” etc PUA isn’t any kind of guarantee, it’s just maximizing your odds and capitalizing on windows that other guys let slip.

“they don’t poach high-value targets because those women don’t want to be poached”

Tell us again how game only works on drunk horny bar sluts. When does your next Jezebel article about how game would never work on the girls YOU know come out? lol

“if this wasn’t true then all the rsd type guys would be banging gorgeous princesses and living the .01% lifestyle”

…seems like a completely logical extrapolation to me lol

“instead they’re self-promoting non-stop and praying that they can fill up their next camp and that all the checks clear. lol.”

Pretty sure they don’t have a problem finding 3 guys who want to take a bootcamp:

Again you can’t just make shit up man lol You should be better than having to lie/exaggerate to make whatever your point is.

“women decide they’re going to fuck you within 10 seconds of seeing/smelling you”

Nah, ask any guy who does indirect. It’s pretty obvious when you turn a girl around from not wanting to fuck you or being ambivalent about it. But the “smelling” keyword suggests you’re probably one of those pheromones and mirroring her bodylanguage guys which explains a lot lol

“the only pua footage that would prove that men actually choose is footage (I’d settle for a report) of pua announcing a high value target (beautiful, young, well-known) and bedding her.”

The only footage that would prove that understanding outs and the nuts and the best hands/odds in poker actually helps increase your odds of winning is footage (I’d settle for a report) of a poker player announcing that he’s going to beat another top poker player with 4 Aces over the other guy’s 4 Kings cleaning out all his money in that hand. You don’t have that footage? THEN NO POINT LEARNING TO PLAY POKER, JUST PLAY RANDOM CARDS AND BET RANDOMLY MORAN!!!!111 lol

“of course this never happens because she doesn’t want it to happen because she already knows who she wants to fuck.”

Let me guess: guys like you. And your wife is one of those magical princesses that “being attractive” (aka game) doesn’t work on. Will you include her picture in your Jezebel article or is she too famous and it would be too much of a scandal in some foreign country she’s the princess of?

@Sentient
“Hint: They are ALL in venues, AT NIGHT with LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of women around… LOTS of women around…Find these places and spend time there…”

This is why guys who complain about the women in their area need to move and make their way into situations where they’re around the type of women they want. If you HAVE a sick daygame area full of hot girls who have time to chat, cool, hit that shit up. But a LOT more cities have busy nightlife districts full of girls every weekend. There’s a reason Tyler moved from Canada to Hollywood to live in a closet at Project Hollywood. He did what he had to to find hot girls. There’s a reason half the instructors are living in Vegas right now. If you aren’t tied down to where you are (and realistically if you work remotely from work then you probably AREN’T tied down), then move somewhere better. wtf are you waiting for, your Podunk Shithole, Nebraska to suddenly fill up with hot girls? lol

@Sentient
“He buys me a drink. we cheers”

Much better way of handling it than getting defensive/aggressive. Now you have a new bar BFF for the night lol But anyone who’s done this knows what’s coming next…….

“He says let’s get some pussy. He then COMPLETELY uncalibrated reaches over and grabs/yanks the women next to me’s arm. she loosk over like WTF!. Dude is a bit drunk…”

lolol every fucking time. These situations always make me lol when I’m in them ’cause it’s like “well here we GO fml lol” and I pretty much write the night off and when we talk to girls together I tell them he’s my new BFF I just met tonight and he’s helping me get pussy because I’m a virgin etc

“and I go into the “you know you’re being lesbians… that’s really great you make a great couple” and they start laughing and shit at this.”

I lol’ed

“So I convince him to let it slide if he turns it inside out… so OK we go in.”

Dress codes exist pretty much just to keep out drunk idiots, ugly people, and people who look like troublemakers (yup racial profiling, if you’re a big sausage-fest of minority dudes suck it up and go into the venue in groups of 2 pretending not to know eachother in front of the doorman and/or grab some girls off the street/lineup to go in with you). Look at how absurd this situation is. He can’t come in because of his jersey, but he turns it inside out and okay NOW it’s allowed?? lol Doorman was keeping out a drunk idiot but then you stepped up and were cool and he figured alright they’re buddies and this guy seems normal so he’ll probably keep him out of trouble and let him go in after jumping through a meaningless hoop.

It’s all bullshit smoke & mirrors illusions.

“Now dude is all about getting plastered… He buys me some more drinks LOL and stands around.”
“I start to tell her about the Polish dude [now on death row]”
“Go back to the Polish dude, he can barely speak… wasted…”

lol people don’t believe me when I tell them this happens. Guys love me and buy me drinks all the time just for talking about girls and opening a set in front of them or throwing a random girl at them even if they get shot down or I get shot down etc Good-looking guys, ugly guys, guys who feel comfortable there, guys who feel out of place there, old, young, it doesn’t matter. When you engage them in a chill way despite any shade they throw at you, they’re relieved to have someone to talk to and you can pump their state for them and that’s like an AMAZING night to them because part of why they were picking on you in the first place was frustration (like that dude that knocks over Max’s beer in the vids I linked). Some basic Juggler rapport and they’re lining up drinks for me as they talk a big game about us getting pussy. And then they just stand around because they don’t ACTUALLY have the balls to cold approach, and then sometimes I’ll end up too drunk off the free drinks to properly game myself lol But it’s all a fun time and a funny story to tell buddies/girls the next time I’m out. These nights are part of the fun of sarging to me, just ending up on random adventures. Your night could have gone ENTIRELY different depending on how you handled that sweater comment. It could’ve been completely uneventful or you could’ve ended up in a fight, all sorts of possibilities but you took proper action to end up in the funniest outcome.

“He gets right up to me “hey man that’s my girlfriend!”… So I am chill and just laughing “yeah I was just meeting her” and he gets back with “She’s with me man… Stay away”… so at this I’m laid back, smiling, laughing a bit like “great man good for you” and the girl i see is way taken aback by his aggro… he persist pointing at me “dude seriously I will fuck you up!… I’m from Philly!!!” and at this I just lose it… laughing… seriously? I ‘m like “oh shit man you’re from Philly” wow… and he glares and takes her and they walk off… I’m standing there, chill…”

lol not much you can do except not get hit. But this is the interesting part:

“Then two huge Spanish guys come up to me. There like “hey bro… I seen that guy Dude we got you man… we got your back… We’ll fuck that guy up”… I’m like “thanks man… no worries he’s just jealous whatever”, they go “we’re watching man” cheers to them…”

Again people don’t believe me but in the rare occasions I DO run into an aggro situation, this happens a lot of the time. Because you’re unreactive and smiling, the other guy looks like he’s WAAAAAY overreacting and instinctively other dudes want to have your back because it looks like a bully picking on someone for no reason. This is why the whole “MY BUDDY IS A BIG MMA BADASS WHO WOULD KILL YOU WITH HIS PINKY FINGER AND TWIST YOUR HEAD OFF IF YOU TRIED ANY OF THAT AMOG SHIT OR TALKED TO A GIRL HE WAS INTO OR EVEN WALKED PAST HIM BECAUSE HE’S JUST A RAGING PSYCHO WAR MACHINE” thing just makes me roll my eyes. I just win over as much of the crowd as possible if it looks like some guy has a problem with me. The more people you seem to know the less likely he is to do much. “WHATEVER BRO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND MY MMA BUDDY WOULDNT CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS AND WOULD RIP YOUR HEART OUT WITH HIS BARE HANDS EVEN IF THE WHOLE BAR WANTED TO KICK HIS ASS AFTER” lol ok LARPer.

Back to work mode, get out there this weekend everyone! Go have some adventures lol


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@fleezer
“puas are heavily invested in their narratives but the cracks in their arguments appear again and again”

oh god lol this should be good.

“almost all puas acknowledge the progression in game towards getting the “quality women” after banging hundreds of club sluts. in many of their game models the “quality women” are the apex”

“almost all puas acknowledge the “loves of their lives” that for one reason or another decided to leave them.”

Most PUAs still have some Blue Pill fantasies about settling down with the right girl. They need to read TRM really lol They don’t have a full breakdown of long term LTRs because their main focus is the pickup and first few years of a relationship. Bruce Lee probably couldn’t play the guitar but that doesn’t invalidate what he taught.

“they acknowledge the “shallow” existence of one night stands and no-name bathroom sex”

lol you can’t just make shit up. This is the Internet, anyone can google what PUA actually teaches. I get the impression that you aren’t used to having your bullshit called out much, that you would think you can just say “PUA teaches this” and fill in whatever has your panties in a twist that day:

ONS and anonymous bathroom sex CAN be shallow, but it can also be fun, it depends on where you are in life and what your goals are. Just like a solid LTR can be rewarding if that’s the place in life you’re in.

They definitely often have the idea that once you settle with a girl there’s not much work left to do in maintaining that though, I don’t disagree with that. That’s what we need Rollo for. One day PUAs will be reading Rollo’s books as supplement for long-term successful relationships. I fully expect a bunch of them to get burned hard chasing the Disney dream, despite all the shit they see infield a lot of them still have the same Madonna/Whore complex Blue Pill and anit-gamers have. You know, guys who say stuff like your next two quotes lol:

“on whom does it work? girls who want it to work. engaging in social interaction with guys and allowing and encouraging escalation means the girl wants it to happen.”

Then why do we keep hearing “sorry I didn’t shave, I wasn’t expecting to come home with you tonight, I was really trying NOT to” etc PUA isn’t any kind of guarantee, it’s just maximizing your odds and capitalizing on windows that other guys let slip.

“they don’t poach high-value targets because those women don’t want to be poached”

Tell us again how game only works on drunk horny bar sluts. When does your next Jezebel article about how game would never work on the girls YOU know come out? lol

“if this wasn’t true then all the rsd type guys would be banging gorgeous princesses and living the .01% lifestyle”

…seems like a completely logical extrapolation to me lol

“instead they’re self-promoting non-stop and praying that they can fill up their next camp and that all the checks clear. lol.”

Pretty sure they don’t have a problem finding 3 guys who want to take a bootcamp:

Again you can’t just make shit up man lol You should be better than having to lie/exaggerate to make whatever your point is.

“women decide they’re going to fuck you within 10 seconds of seeing/smelling you”

Nah, ask any guy who does indirect. It’s pretty obvious when you turn a girl around from not wanting to fuck you or being ambivalent about it. But the “smelling” keyword suggests you’re probably one of those pheromones and mirroring her bodylanguage guys which explains a lot lol

“the only pua footage that would prove that men actually choose is footage (I’d settle for a report) of pua announcing a high value target (beautiful, young, well-known) and bedding her.”

The only footage that would prove that understanding outs and the nuts and the best hands/odds in poker actually helps increase your odds of winning is footage (I’d settle for a report) of a poker player announcing that he’s going to beat another top poker player with 4 Aces over the other guy’s 4 Kings cleaning out all his money in that hand. You don’t have that footage? THEN NO POINT LEARNING TO PLAY POKER, JUST PLAY RANDOM CARDS AND BET RANDOMLY MORAN!!!!111 lol

“of course this never happens because she doesn’t want it to happen because she already knows who she wants to fuck.”

Let me guess: guys like you. And your wife is one of those magical princesses that “being attractive” (aka game) doesn’t work on. Will you include her picture in your Jezebel article or is she too famous and it would be too much of a scandal in some foreign country she’s the princess of?

@Sentient
“Hint: They are ALL in venues, AT NIGHT with LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of women around… LOTS of women around…Find these places and spend time there…”

This is why guys who complain about the women in their area need to move and make their way into situations where they’re around the type of women they want. If you HAVE a sick daygame area full of hot girls who have time to chat, cool, hit that shit up. But a LOT more cities have busy nightlife districts full of girls every weekend. There’s a reason Tyler moved from Canada to Hollywood to live in a closet at Project Hollywood. He did what he had to to find hot girls. There’s a reason half the instructors are living in Vegas right now. If you aren’t tied down to where you are (and realistically if you work remotely from work then you probably AREN’T tied down), then move somewhere better. wtf are you waiting for, your Podunk Shithole, Nebraska to suddenly fill up with hot girls? lol

@Sentient
“He buys me a drink. we cheers”

Much better way of handling it than getting defensive/aggressive. Now you have a new bar BFF for the night lol But anyone who’s done this knows what’s coming next…….

“He says let’s get some pussy. He then COMPLETELY uncalibrated reaches over and grabs/yanks the women next to me’s arm. she loosk over like WTF!. Dude is a bit drunk…”

lolol every fucking time. These situations always make me lol when I’m in them ’cause it’s like “well here we GO fml lol” and I pretty much write the night off and when we talk to girls together I tell them he’s my new BFF I just met tonight and he’s helping me get pussy because I’m a virgin etc

“and I go into the “you know you’re being lesbians… that’s really great you make a great couple” and they start laughing and shit at this.”

I lol’ed

“So I convince him to let it slide if he turns it inside out… so OK we go in.”

Dress codes exist pretty much just to keep out drunk idiots, ugly people, and people who look like troublemakers (yup racial profiling, if you’re a big sausage-fest of minority dudes suck it up and go into the venue in groups of 2 pretending not to know eachother in front of the doorman and/or grab some girls off the street/lineup to go in with you). Look at how absurd this situation is. He can’t come in because of his jersey, but he turns it inside out and okay NOW it’s allowed?? lol Doorman was keeping out a drunk idiot but then you stepped up and were cool and he figured alright they’re buddies and this guy seems normal so he’ll probably keep him out of trouble and let him go in after jumping through a meaningless hoop.

It’s all bullshit smoke & mirrors illusions.

“Now dude is all about getting plastered… He buys me some more drinks LOL and stands around.”
“I start to tell her about the Polish dude [now on death row]”
“Go back to the Polish dude, he can barely speak… wasted…”

lol people don’t believe me when I tell them this happens. Guys love me and buy me drinks all the time just for talking about girls and opening a set in front of them or throwing a random girl at them even if they get shot down or I get shot down etc Good-looking guys, ugly guys, guys who feel comfortable there, guys who feel out of place there, old, young, it doesn’t matter. When you engage them in a chill way despite any shade they throw at you, they’re relieved to have someone to talk to and you can pump their state for them and that’s like an AMAZING night to them because part of why they were picking on you in the first place was frustration (like that dude that knocks over Max’s beer in the vids I linked). Some basic Juggler rapport and they’re lining up drinks for me as they talk a big game about us getting pussy. And then they just stand around because they don’t ACTUALLY have the balls to cold approach, and then sometimes I’ll end up too drunk off the free drinks to properly game myself lol But it’s all a fun time and a funny story to tell buddies/girls the next time I’m out. These nights are part of the fun of sarging to me, just ending up on random adventures. Your night could have gone ENTIRELY different depending on how you handled that sweater comment. It could’ve been completely uneventful or you could’ve ended up in a fight, all sorts of possibilities but you took proper action to end up in the funniest outcome.

“He gets right up to me “hey man that’s my girlfriend!”… So I am chill and just laughing “yeah I was just meeting her” and he gets back with “She’s with me man… Stay away”… so at this I’m laid back, smiling, laughing a bit like “great man good for you” and the girl i see is way taken aback by his aggro… he persist pointing at me “dude seriously I will fuck you up!… I’m from Philly!!!” and at this I just lose it… laughing… seriously? I ‘m like “oh shit man you’re from Philly” wow… and he glares and takes her and they walk off… I’m standing there, chill…”

lol not much you can do except not get hit. But this is the interesting part:

“Then two huge Spanish guys come up to me. There like “hey bro… I seen that guy Dude we got you man… we got your back… We’ll fuck that guy up”… I’m like “thanks man… no worries he’s just jealous whatever”, they go “we’re watching man” cheers to them…”

Again people don’t believe me but in the rare occasions I DO run into an aggro situation, this happens a lot of the time. Because you’re unreactive and smiling, the other guy looks like he’s WAAAAAY overreacting and instinctively other dudes want to have your back because it looks like a bully picking on someone for no reason. This is why the whole “MY BUDDY IS A BIG MMA BADASS WHO WOULD KILL YOU WITH HIS PINKY FINGER AND TWIST YOUR HEAD OFF IF YOU TRIED ANY OF THAT AMOG SHIT OR TALKED TO A GIRL HE WAS INTO OR EVEN WALKED PAST HIM BECAUSE HE’S JUST A RAGING PSYCHO WAR MACHINE” thing just makes me roll my eyes. I just win over as much of the crowd as possible if it looks like some guy has a problem with me. The more people you seem to know the less likely he is to do much. “WHATEVER BRO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND MY MMA BUDDY WOULDNT CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS AND WOULD RIP YOUR HEART OUT WITH HIS BARE HANDS EVEN IF THE WHOLE BAR WANTED TO KICK HIS ASS AFTER” lol ok LARPer.

Back to work mode, get out there this weekend everyone! Go have some adventures lol


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on April 20th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
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Patrice is (was) a walking red pill when it comes to this shit lol


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How Patrice O’Neal handles the white knightey value-signalling shaming guys:

Patrice is (was) a walking red pill when it comes to this shit lol


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@Forge the Sky
“But I’m a hell of a lot further than I was even 6 months ago, where I was trying to catch fish with tissue paper instead of fishing line. But another thing – gaming this girl actually makes me MORE motivated to go out sarging. Because I know that if I can get more reference experiences in-field, I’ll start to see everything in better detail with this specific prospect as well.”

That’s all game is. There’s no end goal because there’s ALWAYS another level you can achieve or twists on your goals to aim for. There’s no reading or watching that’s going to make you suddenly good there’s just gathering more and more reference experiences so your brain can spot patterns and windows. There’s no comparing yourself to others because your only competition is “you, 6 months ago”. Like Tyler says: your best night out NOW will be your average night out in 6 months (if you go out regularly and put in the effort to push your comfort zones).

“Like, I don’t have any reference experience for just telling a girl to show up at my house, diffusing ASD, and getting the bang – so I don’t try it with a girl I have even a touch of investment in. I need to see it working before it becomes practically useable.”

Only way to see it working is to try it a bunch, and you’ll probably fuck up a bunch, but you’ll also get a success or two out of it or a blowout from it that you can learn from when you analyze why she blew you out from a game perspective (maybe you triggered ASD and there was a better way to pitch the invite etc), and from that you start putting together a solution that works and bump your consistency of getting that to work up.

But you’ll have to accept that you’ll lose girls in the process for the sake of obtaining the KNAWWWWLEDGE (hashtag tai lopez). That’s fine, there are plenty more out there lol

@Softek
The big lesson to take away from those messages is understanding that women WILL throw you under the bus the second consequences start to affect them negatively.

If she thinks her hubby is so chodey beta whipped that she doesn’t give a shit that he’s upset cause she knows she can just calm him down and he’ll take her back etc, she’ll generally put the blame on him for “making her” find what he’s not providing bla bla and put him on the defensive (absolving herself of all responsibility). Even if you show him the texts, he’ll find a way to rationalize/minimize them (probably with her help) into convincing himself they’re fake or a moment of weakness or whatever, even if that doesn’t make any sense, because it’s a lot easier for him to brainwash himself into believing a simple little lie and just never thinking about it again, than it is to watch his entire future crumble and fall apart and lose his one-itis.

If she’s legitimately worried about losing her hubby and the provider shit he gives her (even if he’s a total chode, but she just worries that her life will be more difficult and she might lose the white picket fence and 2 kids dream he’s going to provide her), she will THROW YOU UNDER THE FUCKING BUS IN A HEARTBEAT with ZERO remorse. She’ll say you raped her, or you got her drunk, or she told you no or a million things and she’ll TRIPLE-down on it if she knows you have damning evidence because she’ll do the same thing feminists/SJWs do with our community where they try to discredit someone before they even speak hoping that no one will listen to what they’re saying so that even if you pull out the texts/etc they’ll somehow be twisted into “he MADE me say those things I was so scared of him I just wanted him to go away but I knew if I didn’t say those things he would find ways to hurt me, he threatened me in some other txts but I deleted those because they made me cry to even think about them and risk seeing them again” etc etc Complete bullshit to absolve herself of all responsibility (note how both scenarios involve this lol)

It doesn’t matter if she treated you like a king and told you she loved you and that she would never throw you under the bus and that if her hubby found out she’d say fuck you you have a small dick anyway bla bla bla None of that matters when her Suvival/Replication instincts kick in when shit hits the fan. Expect 100% to be thrown under the bus.

That’s why you don’t tell them what you do for work (make up a fake job), don’t give them your real last name (or first name, if you can swing that), be careful if they’re social circle or co-worker girls, etc etc take precautions. You can always reveal that information later when you’ve properly vetted them, but if you find out she has a hubby/boyfriend, she gets to stay in the dark or you’re taking a big risk.

The reality is in 2016 most hot girls have a “boyfriend” bare minimum, even if it’s some chode that txts them and spoils them with gifts and she doesn’t give a shit about him. Smartphones and social media and shit have created virtual orbiters she can take anywhere she goes…it used to be that they’d have to show up at the bar where she was at or come find you to get up in your face, but now they can just txt her and get mad at you over the internet and shit. And most of the time girls aren’t going to TELL you about these boyfriends/fiances/hubbies because they’re just with them to avoid being alone and don’t want you to NOT fuck them because of it so they won’t tell you until they think you’re hooked enough to go through with it, so expect that you’re not going to really be able to avoid these girls in 2016. You’re GONNA get duped a handful of times, so read what I just wrote and keep your ass safe.

“if I get a fuck buddy before ending things (keep in mind we are NOT in a committed relationship, and never were), and she finds out before I end things, she could make up some story, e.g. false rape and false abuse accusations.”

Right now if you bail, there is almost a 100% chance that she will tell people that you emotionally abused her. About a 10% chance she’ll make a false physical abuse accusation (because of your guys’ angry sex). And like a 5% risk of a false rape accusation.

The longer you stay in this, the more she gets invested, and the more she gets invested the more she wreaks vengeance when she finds strands of some other girl’s hair on your bathroom floor and it runs up into a 100% chance of her saying you emotionally abused her, and like a 90% chance of false physical abuse (where she’ll tell everyone about your damaged past and how fucked up you are so it’s more believable that you would be physcially abusive) and a solid 70% chance of a false rape accusation. JUST TO HURT YOU. She won’t do it thinking about any long-term consequences at all and mind-blowingly she’ll even try to get back with you down the road after she does it, with no idea what kind of nuke she dropped on your life because Solipsism. This happens in these cases allll the fuckin time lol

“I could be thinking I’m fine because I never said I was her boyfriend, not that that is legally binding”

Your word means shit against the words of a crying woman. Your “logic” about who’s at fault or what loophole you were in didn’t save you from all those filtered messages you just discovered where you’re the bad guy. None of those guys went “well she did message you first so that’s fair, no worries bro!” No one cares about the truth, all they care about is rescuing the crying maiden from the big bad Softek who hurt her. She can even do shit where she doesn’t SAY you hurt her but she just like, breaks down with crocodile tears mid-sentence to let the people listening fill in the blanks with the worst-case, so she has plausible deniability when she tries to get back with you (“I didn’t say you did that!!!”)

“It doesn’t matter that the sex is consensual. Women now have the ability to rectroactively make rape or abuse allegations, i.e. Buyer’s Remorse.”
“Treating a girl like your GF, when you’d like to have her as a Primary and have other girls on the side, might lead to some shit down the road. ”

Yup. This is part of why I run my honest FB/pLTR game instead of lying. I WANT any girls I’m with to know I have other girls from the start because I don’t want the potential drama if I’m pretending they’re the only one and they find I’ve had other girls over. If a girl is 100% uncool with that (and some ARE, depending on what they’re looking for at that point in their life or their own issues/beliefs about sex etc) I am totally find with screening her out and not banging her. A lack of drama in my life is my top priority. In the past I would do whatever, but I find lying puts a big weight on my shoulders and being honest feels a lot lighter to me. Other guys’ experience will be different/personal, I’m just talking about how I approach it lol Very few girls HATE me, some of them don’t care about me anymore or don’t particularly love me, but you would have a hard time going back through my past girls and finding any that HATE me. Most of them I could re-stoke back into hooking up again pretty easily because they had good experiences with me and part of that is because I didn’t lead them on into thinking I would settle down with them. And even then a lot of them don’t know my real name or job juuust to be safe lol

And ya that’s why I put a big emphasis on Buyer’s Remorse and ASD/LMR these days. That shit is VITAL for guys to understand in 2016 with the witch trials that go on now. Taking her for a fucking $2 Egg McMuffin could be the difference between a girl saying “nooo he’s a nice guy, he’s just got too many commitment issues๐Ÿ˜ฆ I had to leave him because I was falling for him too hard and I knew he wouldn’t marry me”, and a girl carrying her rape-mattress around before she goes to the fucking State of the Union to slander you as a rapist before she films a reenactment of her own rape as an art project.

“Like when you pointed out that I thought I was being super edgelordy by describing the psychological issues I’ve had…. …it’s true. I actually DO think I’m an edgelord. I’m the biggest edgelord of them all, and I’ll PROVE IT! Lol.”

lol ya a lot of people would go “wtf YaReally you can’t make fun of that, the guy is talking about cutting himself and suicide man!!! Show some compassion!!!” But I’m making fun of it because you’re not a dumb guy, that’s clear from your posts and the fact that you’re even HERE trying to get a handle on your life. You’re just a guy who’s been dealt some shitty cards in some of the hands of this big poker game of life. No big deal. YOU will make fun of yourself down the road for being an edgelord the same way that 14yo emo girl regrets her edgelordy Tweets about killing herself because Justin Beiber started dating someone she doesn’t like. Like, I’m not trivializing your experience/problems/pain you went through, but you’re a dude in your mid 20s with a nice full head of hair, good looking guy, cool hobbies, cool talents and skills, have a car, have proven that you’re good in bed, etc. You’re not that little edgelord anymore unless you WANT to be and WANT to make it your identity, which you don’t because if you did you wouldn’t even be reading this 400 pages I’m typing.

You just haven’t had the tools to deal with this shit and you’ve been given shitty tools by people who don’t know what the fuck they’re doing or WANT you to stay fucked up (your shitty psychiatrist, the girl you’re with, etc). But you’ve found a place that can help give you the tools you need to deal with this shit, just like we’re helping scribblerg pull himself out of his nosedive. But that’s the key, it’s pulling HIMSELF, just like you’ll have to pull YOURSELF. None of us can come break up your relationship or pull you out of there, and we GET how strong the pull to stay in is given your history and needs/desires for having a girl and fears/doubts about getting another one etc. That’s why I say you’ll PROBABLY keep seeing her and get yourself burned hard, and our goal is ideally to keep you from getting her preggers etc (that’s why I give you the warnings about using your brand new condoms, not trusting her about birth control or a tilted uterus etc, because her goal the second she thinks she’s losing you is to get preggers to FORCE you to stay because in her mind you’ll REALIZE you love her if she can keep you around long enough).

“I’ve been way more receptive and realizing you’re saying the truth and trying to help instead of feeling all defensive, like, oh, I’ll PROVE to you how fucked up I am.”

lol

“You don’t think I’m special? Well watch THIS. I’ll fuck my life up so bad that you will NEVER be able to deny how fucked up I am again! I’ll show you!!!! JUST WATCH!”

Here’s a mind-fuck for you. This is the EXACT SAME THOUGHT PROCESS that your girl is going through. “You think you can leave me?? That we don’t NEED eachother??? You think you’ve outgrown being an edgelord?? Well watch THIS. I’ll fuck my life up (and yours) so bad that you will NEVER be able to deny how fucked up we are again! I’ll show you!!!! JUST WATCH! I’ll PROVE that we are special edgelord snowflakes! Maybe if I (insert crazy shit) and then try to kill myself etc (my buddy came home to his girl slitting her wrists when she thought she would lose him and she knows he’s lost buddies to suicide, Cluster-B chick and I knew what happened as soon as I saw his “so it ended pretty bad…” txt cause of how predictable it is) THEN Softek will get how fucked up I am and bow down to us being the King and Queen of Edginess and he’ll know his place…with ME. …FOREVER. Yeah, that’s it…THAT’S IT!! That’s what I’ll do. I’ll show him how much we need eachother.”

Think about THAT. The exact same way your brain was rationalizing how appropriate and justified that behavior would be, hers will do the same. Except that as a man you are capable of logical rational thought and controlling your emotions and bringing yourself off that edge seeing the flaws in the outcome it would lead to. But she’s a girl who has spent her life running with her emotions and absorbing the chaos and drama that result (like cheating on her previous boyfriend with you).

And what did I say earlier about girls choosing between accepting consequences/responsibility or throwing you under the bus? What behavior did you see from the married chicks who blocked you on Facebook etc to protect themselves?

Can you see why we’re telling you to get the fuck out of there and go sarging, or online dating, or banging some random, etc? lol

lolol quoting this whole thing because it’s funny shit because it’s 100% accurate:

“-10 years later-

Oh, fuck, I’m horny. I wish someone would tell me that the Lord of Edginess doesn’t get laid for having a title. Fuck, I wish I knew better. Why didn’t that asshole YaReally try to help me out and give me some advice? Fucker. No one helped me. This sucks. No one cares about me.

That’s it. THAT’S IT! If I take on the identity of Master of Neglect, THEN I’ll show them who’s boss….YEAH! No one gives a fuck about Softek and I’ll PROVE IT!

-10 years later-

Fuck, now I have a REALLY good reason to be an Edgelord. I haven’t been laid in 20 YEARS! FUCK! FUCK MY LIFE! Well, at least I can DEFINITELY say that I have issues.

That’s what I wanted all along, right? To prove to the world that I’m fucked up. Mission accomplished. Now what? Try for a new Guinness World Record of being Fucked Up? The most fucked up hard case in the world? The only guy in the world that PUA can’t work for?

Yes, I’ll try for that. That seems like a worthy goal. PUA can’t work for me. I’m gonna go start a MGTOW video series about how it’s impossible for some guys to get laid. Guys like me. I’ll show the world. I’ll teach them.

-10 years later-

Drinks self into permanent coma

Dies

Reincarnates

Repeats life cycle until learning the lesson

The End”

Yup lol That’s why I’m pretty cold about people’s problems like when I’m brushing off scribblerg’s problems. They just don’t matter. Ok, you’ve been dealt a shitty hand. What’s the solution? Wuit feeling sorry for yourself and take right action and deal with it. You want to throw yourself a pity party? You want to “rebel” against what I’m saying and act like a bratty teenager saying “guess what I haven’t sarged in two weeks, you know WHY?? Because I do what I WANT!!!”? Okay DO that.

Now it’s a year later and you’re the king of the edgelords with your special snowflake problems. You got your title, congrats, you’re a victim! …now what? Well, you’ve just wasted a year of your life that you could’ve spent trying to handle your shit, and your shit is STILL all fucked up (maybe MOREso) because you wasted all that time feeling sorry for yourself. So what’s the solution? The exact same solution that I told you a year ago: quit feeling sorry for yourself and take right action and deal with it.

Wahhh but YaReally you don’t UNDERSTAND bro, you haven’t BEEN there, you’re some dumb young pup (or some old man, depending on who I’m helping lol) who doesn’t understand my special snowflake edgelord problems. Okay, let’s say that I don’t understand. You’re right, you’re a big ol’ victim. Now what? Well now 5 years has gone by. You’re older and in a shittier mental state because you doubled-down on your victim identity instead of doing the things that would fix your shit. So what’s the solution now that you’re 5+ years worse off than you were 5 years ago when you first wrote your crybaby edgelord post on the TRM comment section and brushed off my advice? It’s the same fucking solution it was on day one: quit feeling sorry for yourself and take right action and deal with it.

All I’m trying to do is save guys the years of time that they’ll waste being victims only to end up in the exact same spot they’re in now lol ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. lol

Nobody thinks I have problems or hard life experience because I float around here on a cloud of sunshine and positivity. The young guys think I’m too old to understand their pain because things were “different” back then, the old guys give me zero respect because I couldn’t possibly know what it’s like to work hard or have my face shoved in the dirt etc, but I’ve been through a lot more than most of my peers on multiple levels and I’ve dealt with shit, loss, setbacks, etc that you guys would probably be surprised to hear about. But I made an active effort to learn to deal with those things and keep a solid positive frame and accept that taking action is always the solution, feeling sorry for myself is not. That doesn’t mean I don’t still feel sorry for myself at points, and I give myself a couple days to feel sorry for myself and be a full victim, but then I know it’s a pointless indulgence and it’s time to start taking action because none of that shit will get my anywhere except further away from overcoming my problems.

“One trick I’ve used is actually what I just did. I got it from NLP. You just blow things out of proportion to where they are COMPLETELY ABSURD.”

lol ya that’s why I called you an edgelord. Because if you don’t know what an edgelord is and google it you get this:

And it’s like “ok maybe this is kind of retarded lol” If I just called you something that emphasized how SUPER SRS GUISEEEE your problems are it would just feed into your victim identity and encourage you to live UP to that label. That’s why I keep saying you’re a smart normal dude, it’s clear that you are from your posts, and at some point you’re going to give in and just accept “shit FINE, maybe I’m NOT this big special snowflake victim. Maybe I WAS at some point and maybe that was totally justified back then, but maybe that’s the past despite what this girl is purposely triggering in me to get me to not think I can do better than her because it’s in her best interests as an OLD WOMAN who’s about to HIT THE WALL and not be able to find a provider, to lock me down even if that’s not in my best interests, because she’s SELFISH and 100% concerned with HER well-being…why am I not concerned about MY well-being? Why do I feel guilty giving a shit about myself and my well-being?? Is that just what happens when you spend a lifetime NOT giving a shit about yourself and being told you don’t DESERVE to have ANYONE give a shit about you? Well fuck, how do I process all of THIS new information and perspective??”

“Even after writing that out, I’m like shit, I am being retarded for thinking like this. I’m being really self-defeating.”

lolol this is the place to do it. Somewhere out there is some edgelord who read your shit and went “fuck this guy sounds like a faggot…not like ME, I have REAL probl–wait–…ahhh goddamnit.”

“And then I pull up one of Tyler’s vids or start making notes to check out Krauser’s Day Game or whatever, and start filling my head with stuff that is pushing me in the right direction, instead of sticking myself into an infinite negative feedback loop while gazing into my own navel.”

The reason I can pull up random RSD videos that address things guys bring up, out of their HUNDREDS of videos, and I can pinpoint specific time points somewhere in Tyler’s 2 hour rants where it’s like “hey Softek you need to hear this part, it’s relevant to your situation” is because I literally ran those vids on 24/7 loops whenever I was at home lol I’d go to sleep with them playing and shit. Because I wanted to proactively reprogram my brain with GOOD content (not just RSD vids but Tony Robbins and motivational talks/speeches and other positive shit).

I realized that most of the stuff I was filling my time with was programming my brain with GARBAGE, from the TV I was wasting my time on (no longer have cable, I don’t even have a Netflix account, I don’t know what’s happening in Game of Thrones etc), to the music I was listening to (angsty 90s alt-rock), to the movies I was watching (I love good dramatic depressing movies and I was FULLY bought into the whole Ross & Rachel soap opera “one true love but all these problems get in the way until that climax moment in the rain” etc shit (I STILL like watching that stuff now and then but I know it’s like eating junk food VS when it used to be my entire diet lol)), the news I was reading (newspapers and TV news rarely have positive stories, they sprinkle them in once in a while between all the negative shit to take you on a rollercoaster ride of emotions and ideally end on a high note with a story about puppies), even some of the people I was hanging out with who had their own victim identities and wanted to just stay on the bottom of the bucket, pulling eachother back down into it like crabs so no one would succeed and make the other people feel bad for choosing to give up in life.

I wasn’t watching one video a week, I wasn’t even picking and choosing specifically relevant topics. I was just going through all of them over and over as often as possible even if I wasn’t paying full attention to them and just catching key bits and pieces that stuck out. I sacrificed all that instant gratification stuff for the sake of reprogramming my brain and that’s WHY I seem like I don’t have problems and have never gone through hard times or had close friends go through hard times etc compared to all the crybabies feeling sorry for themselves writing long edgelord screeds about their problems thinking they’re special snowflakes. Because those guys AREN’T proactively reprogramming their brains. ’cause they haven’t wasted enough of their life yet to really regret spending so long in a victim mentality that they refuse to let themselves waste more of their life on it and sacrifice to change their mindsets.

Even these longass posts I make, I KNOW people make fun of how much I write and I know it’s easy to say “YaReally must be full of shit because no one who writes that much could actually ALSO be sarging and banging girls etc” Because they can’t relate to hyperfocusing on something, they spend their way being wishy-washy wasting their time on passive garbage and dabbling dabbling dabbling. They can tell you what’s happening on Game of Thrones. This stuff I’m writing helps ME, it forces me to remind myself of all this shit and to rewatch these videos and to internalize the stuff I’m talking about by rehashing it over and over.

That’s why people who meet me want to hang out with me, because I’m walking positive energy and that’s rare these days (which is SAD) because everyone wants to be lazy and passive and make an edgelord victim identity out of their special snowflake problems and then just say I had it easy or don’t have problems or am making shit up or tool me for posting all these vids and writing all this shit etc lol The reason I can give back to the community and help other guys is because I put in that work to help myself and made sacrifices to get to where I am with my inner wiring and the reason that’s important to me is because I KNOW how I would have ended up if I had stayed an edgelord making an identity from my special snowflake problems.

I have a buddy who refuses to watch these vids more than one per week because it’s “too much to take in, it’s too overwhelming”. Guess what, 2 years later his mindsets are STILL as shitty as they were 2 years ago. Because for every hour long video he watches, he has an ENTIRE WEEK of negative thinking and shitty mental habits built up over a lifetime, making anything he heard in that video irrelevant. Just like the guys who “dabble” in pickup, going out once a week or a couple nights every two weeks, are usually exactly where they were 2 years ago, because they aren’t putting in the effort. They’re making excuses and victim identities and feeling like special snowflakes and they’ll stay where they are. And then they’ll make a victim identity out of THAT, just like your 10 years later edgelord timeline.

Tyler explains the silliness of the victim identity shit in entertaining depth here (GUESS HOW I KNEW EXACTLY WHICH VIDEO TO LINK HERE lol):

That’s why Tyler is so much more chill and grouded now than he was back when he was a young early 20s edgelord himself. Because he made a very proactive effort to reprogram his brain and still does to this day and shares that with everyone for free on the internet in videos that I link that guys who are edgelords unhappy with their lives will skip over and not actually watch and then cry about being special snowflakes lol

“Not to write off anyone’s issues. I of all people should know how serious mental illness is, and the hurdles that come with it.”

There’s serious mental illness that should be treated seriously, and then there’s the crybaby shit that the VAST VAST VAST majority of people who THINK they’re mentally ill have. Like Tyler says: it’s funny how many fucked up mental issues like depression, sucidal thoughts, violent outbursts, etc vanish once a guy starts getting an abundance of pussy. WEIRD how that works. lol

Most people’s angsty depression comes from being unsatified with how their life is going or has turned out and most of the time that comes from not living a life that’s congruent to them and their actual wants/needs and values, because they don’t even know what their actual wants/needs and values ARE because society has kept them dumbed down with distractions and forced a wants/needs/value system on them that benefits society. Again like Tyler says: You can’t get enough of something you don’t WANT. We’re depressed because we’re chasing all this stupid shit society tells us to chase and it’s never enough to make us happy because we didn’t want it in the first place. ’cause we don’t even KNOW ourselves.

How COULD we know ourselves, society has spent our whole lives shaming us as men for wanting ANYTHING and putting ourselves first. That’s why a guy like scribblerg comes out of a divorce and loses his purpose (providing for his family) and feels lost because now he has to find his own purpose that’s based on his own wants and needs and it’s such a foreign idea to him to even HAVE wants and needs and for that to be ACCEPTABLE instead of SHAMEFUL and SELFISH, that he has no idea how to even tap INTO that side of himself.

The reality is no one is going to fix you. Society doesn’t WANT you to self-actualize and succeed. Look at how we, as a society, talk about successful people, especially successful men. We HATE them, we are all WAITING on the edge of our seats for them to fail so we can all pounce on them. Every news site based in the FI is just DYING to tear successful men down to make all the losers reading that shit feel better about the lack of effort they’ve put into their lives. “See?? THAT person failed in the end, so it’s GOOD that I didn’t bother working my ass off or trying to fix myself because there’s no point, so really I’m SMARTER than them because I DIDN’T waste all that time, now hop on Twitter so we can live-Tweet about the season premiere of Game of Thrones!!”

No one gives a shit if you succeed or not. You can just stay an edgelord and go kill yourself, just like scribblerg can just give up and be an “old man” and kill time until he gets sick and old and dies. There’s no reason he has to be the guy on the left, he can be the guy on the right:

And NO ONE WOULD EVEN BLAME HIM. Or YOU. People will hear the news and go “well hey, that guy had some pretty rough blows so I don’t even blame him for killing himself or giving up on life. Ya scribblerg, you’re just nuking up a sad TV dinner and drinking yourself into a stupor alone in your apartment contemplating suicide because your business stuff isn’t going well and sarging is hard and scary and you had the divorce and alienation and everything? Man you SHOULD just give up, I know I sure would!!!”

Your victimization can be COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED.

But it’s your choice whether to wallow in it or dig yourself out of it, and it won’t be easy and it’ll suck a bunch of dick and you’ll feel like it’s hopeless and pointless. That’s why you have communities like this to help support you and why you build red pill friendships with guys who can help prop you up when shit gets rough and forgive your occasional “fuck you all” outbursts and call you out on being an overdramatic edgelord lol Like Fight Club Tyler says to the narrator: “You wanted to change. You could not do this on your own so you created me.” Use your support network, if you could do this shit on your own you would have. You’re missing the tools to deal with shit because society kept them from you, but they’re here waiting for you when you want to fix your life.

“I even noticed I’m writing “lol” more after reading your posts, lol. (lol)”

lol. Somewhere my haters heads are exploding.

People look for solutions that fit into their already established paradigms. That’s why they reject PUA and the Red Pill so much and all my shit about looks. They never consider that maybe their ENTIRE PARADIGM is wrong and has been spoonfed to them by people who don’t care about their happiness or them knowing the truth about life and that most of the shit they’ve been certain about has been a lie. It’s a lot easier to accept that girls like Tyler’s bald spot that they don’t have (meanwhile the guys with bald spots will say girls must like Tyler’s beard or some shit because they HAVE a bald spot and aren’t getting laid so they have to find a different explanation that fits their paradigm), than it is to accept that everything they’ve ever known thought and done with regards to women has been based on wrong information and a shitty paradigm lol

@Anonymous Reader
“I lasered her while cutting space.”

Shit is KEY. Well done. Make that shit a habit.


YaReally
on April 21st, 2016 at 10:02 pm
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@Rollo @Blaximus @all
If you wanna see some cool shit look up Keanu’s life and what people who’ve worked with him say about him. Dude has gone through a nightmare of a life that would crush most dudes but he’s still humble and down to earth and selflessly gives value to the people around him. Had no idea about any of that.

Solid FRs from everyone, good to see them (and note how your FRs inspire other guys to go out, that’s important).

@quixotic
Probably Molly’ed up but either way you handled that solid. The moment where you first turn down pussy out of self-respect is an important moment. It’s hard to do when you originally came from a scarcity of sex. So props for that. Basically she did what you said (and was running on emotions in the moment and that guy happened to be there) but then she figured you’d be as thirsty as every other guy and still come over.

Thing is a lot of guys will say “well don’t take her out to a club wtf are you doing” and ya, it’s not the wisest play if you’re just trying to get laid lol but I’ll usually bring a girl I’m vetting for long-term shit to a club or crash one of her girl’s nights etc because I want to see how she acts when she’s out. I’ll lecture fuckbuddies who show up drunk/high and warn them not to do it again because I’m making time for them and if they don’t appreciate it that’s fine other girls WILL.

Chick will probably txt you and either apologize because you didn’t come over and she realizes “oh shit maybe he’s mad” or play dumb and be like “what why are you mad omg you’re being silly we were both just drunk you’re blowing it out of proportion” but it sounds like you know how to handle it. This is classic Soft Next punishment territory. She’s not a bad person really, she’s just young and that’s the mentality of girls with an over-abundance of cock available now…some of them won’t even CARE that you Soft Next them, because they’ve already got more guys lined up to take over. Welcome to 2016 lol That’s why we focus on making hard emotional impact that turns those other guys into the blue blur on the Predator view.

Little HB6 that got butthurt was just a case of you raising your value too high to where she felt disqualified and has to ego-protect by rejecting you. No biggie, you could smooth it over by lowering your value to her and bumping hers up (“sorry I’m kind of a jerk, but I really had fun talking with you earlier, you have this cute thing about you bla bla”).

Also more importantly props on going out solo and making it a fun night. At multiple points you could have taken the easy anti-social stay in your comfort zone route and had a completely different lame depressing frustrating night. Instead you had a blast and gave value to everyone around you and helped THEM have a blast. That cane guy was like fuck I hope I don’t go just sit in a corner like a chode all night๐Ÿ˜ฆ and then you brought him into your one man party lol

“My friend said it best: “Damn…it was weird because they were so beautiful but they acted so ugly.”

Might steal that lol

@Culum
Hang in there, just accept that the first few nights out will be rough and set your expectations low. Just tell yourself you’re gonna go out and get into one or two conversations and that’s a win. Usually the night will just snowball from there naturally, but if you set the goal of taking over the venue that’s a lofty goal and you feel like you’re failing if you don’t do it immediately. You are taking more action than most guys hating on what you’re doing will EVER take lol

Chick who stood you up gets a minor Soft Next, even if it was serious she could’ve shot a quick txt your way. Let her back in but make her do something to apologize (aka jump through a hoop like she’s buying the drinks/dinner).

Never go to where a girl wants you to go unless you’ve fucked her and even then be prepared for it to be gay. Pre-fuck, meet up on your terms in your area with your logistics. Time and time again guys (including myself) go chase because we’re horny and time and time again we get there and she’s got 5 orbiters competing over her or shitty logistics or some bitchy friend with her to deal with etc etc etc It’s also a ping for how much you need her, how much you’ll sacrifice to get a CHANCE at her pussy. Very rarely will it actually lead to sex compared to meeting up with your logistics. Thing is in 2016 she has 10 guys on Tinder that are begging to come over and drive over and pick her up and take her places etc, which again is why we focus on hitting them with enough emotional impact that they’ll make the effort to come meet up. I was running into this a while back because I don’t have a car so it’s too much effort for me to travel for pussy, and I had to step up the impact and hook them harder into a them chasing me frame deeper so that they would come to my area and pay for parking etc lol Analogy of you have 10 playboy models in your apartment sucking your dick and you met this cool one you like last weekend but she wants you to come across town to meet her, even if you LIKE her it’s like ehhhh you come here, no? ok maybe next time bye lol

Text exchange chick is radiating early 30s in her texts. She’s wanting to believe that she’s not just a booty call ’cause guys are starting to pump n dump her and she’s getting more prickly about making sure you invest to get the pussy. You’ll run into this a lot if you dabble with the >27yo crowd because they’re starting to realize that the alpha guys they want view their only worth as pussy and it’s a big identity crisis for them. That’s why she says “What do you want to do? What is in the agenda?” and talking about guaranteeing etc she’s expecting you to wine and dine her on a date so she knows she has value outside of sex and doesn’t feel like a booty call. I had a chick throw a fit that I invited her over at 2am instead of midnight because past midnight going to a boys house was slutty…silly shit but she was late 20s and trying to make herself feel like she still has worth. That’s also why your chick says “That could be a very expensive ice cream” She’s saying like, don’t treat me to some $2 ice cream stand shit like I’m a 21yo, I’m a lady who expects some fine dining gourmet restaurant ice cream. And her “But I didn’t ask, you requested me” etc is her forcing the frame of you chasing her on you.

But then Sentient brings up the point that I knew someone would bring up: “To me… It looked like she gave you a bunch of opportunities to lead this in a sexual direction…Like what would have been the drawback to being more aggressive here…” which is a valid point buuuuuuuuuut she’s 30 and average looks-wise to begin with.

See you COULD have just said “I’m going to press you up against the wall and run my hands bla bla” and gone hardcore direct sexual, which is what she kept trying to get you to do, but there’s a pretty good chance that she’s doing that because she wants to then throw down the frame of “I’m not just a booty call you know” and start leading you into the date frame, where you feel like you’ve made a faux pas by going too direct and feel apologetic and offer up some fine dining and sexless date shit. Like it’s a pretty standard play for chicks that age. It lets her know how bad you want her and lets her dangle the carrot. Because if you then just go “eh no thanks” or stop txting, she can go “I knew it, he just wanted sex, I’m done with him” and go pet her cat as she grows old and becomes a lonely cat lady.

Like that “test” is designed for them to paint you in the worst light so she can be validated (I turned this amazing guy down) and not risk rejection or pump n dump. Great for keeping her self-worth intact, terrible for actually finding a man lol There’s a MASSIVE push in this age range to make the guy invest before they put out and personally I don’t find many of them to be worth it so I try to stick to the <25yo crowd. Late 20s+ chicks have a VERY delusional sense of self worth and what they're offering that men value. A lot of them will do the "can I come over but we don't have sex tonight?" test where if you say no they can rule you out as a jerk and if you say yes you're a chode lol It's like as Patrice says: you just took away like 70% of the reason I even wanted you to come over in the first place. lol But they want you to want them for them because feminism and Disney told them you would.

If she was like 21 it might be different but in her age range it's most likely a frame trap.

Anyway I would have ended that txt convo at "Ice cream? Why…so cold", just not responded to that and froze her out till she txts me (even if that's weeks from now). You made your offer and she gave you hassle, so fuck it, you invite someone else and get occupied with her instead and then make her work for another invite (I like to do stuff like "I dunno you didn't seem real excited to meet up last time, maybe we should just be friends" and mess with them lol).

@Sentient
All solid shit in your LR. Birthmark kiss was a great example of raising her value so she feels like she deserves you despite being there with a hotter friend who would normally get the attention. You put her on cloud 9. And again notice how lasers sexualizes anything, you can talk about stupid TV shows and shit but as long as you do that bedroom eyes lasers and slow tonality etc you talk to her sub-brain and it's "sexy". Also all good reads on her trying to turn you into her fantasy. And good on you tossing her number…1) it's a nice memory for both of you, and 2) it shows abundance. Also this situation can be pretty common:

@Blaximus
"He is reading the hell out of the people in the audience and he finds it hilarious. They don’t know it, but they are entertaining him also."

This is a good frame for enjoying yourself while sarging in general.

"If everyone gets offended or makes faces, I didn’t want them anyway. I reject them by having them reject me."

Ya we call this being polarizing:

Basically expressing yourself completely and seeing which people you're going to enjoy spending time with. It's why I hate sarging shy quiet girls, they're super boring to me and I don't enjoy the interaction VS the feisty shit-testy outgoing girls. But it's unique to each person…my buddy LOVES the shy quiet girls, he likes building a deep connection and shit, and he hates the feisty girls. So when we walk into a set where one girl is feisty and the other is shy (very common, usually the shy one is dragged out to the bar by her feisty friend) we immediately switch girls so that he has the shy one and I have the feisty one and everyone enjoys the interactino more lol

That said, you should be ABLE to be flexible and get along with most people and get them to open up and loosen up and shit. But when you're picking people you want to spend time around, screening with polarity is a big help.

"I remember the first time I had sex with a girl that had shaved herself bald."

I thought you meant shaving her head bald and the rest of that story was fucking surreal lol

Unfortunately the bushes are coming back. Even in porn you'll see a lot more bush. Not sure how the fuck THAT happened, probably so many thirsty guys now that'll take a girl regardless of what's growing down there that they don't care about shaving as much anymore. I've had a couple say flat out "well OTHER guys don't mind" and it's like ok well go fuck THEM then lol You come over here you shave that shit.

Bare is the best. When they say "you just want me to look like a 12 year old" I just agree & amplify lol

@scray
"game hard at first but once she hooks onto whatever bullshit you’re doing —- PULL BACK, and then when she’s eager for more, you move her somewhere else."

This. This is what Mystery was teaching really…demonstrate value indirectly, hook them hard till they chase and then lay back and let them win you over as you steal their frame playing hard to get. The prob is a lot of guys these days have trouble hooking to get the girl to chase because 1) all that "go immediately direct" stuff generally has the guy chasing the girl instead of vice-versa and 2) girls have SO MANY OPTIONS that are all trying to go direct AND slip under the radar that the best way to set yourself apart is to get THEM choosing YOU. And so we go back to the old teachings which were designed FOR that lol

There was a period for sure, before smartphones and social media and Tinder and shit really kicked into the full crazy gear it's in now, where plowing direct was great especially over text, I was cleaning up with that shit. But as the marketplace changes and they have way more options chasing them you have to look at "ok well how can I stand out?" and one really good way to do that is to learn how to get them to chase you and invest in you, which is what oldschool game was designed for. That's why girls will fuck me and want to date me even when they have way better looking richer etc guys chasing them begging for a handout, because I game them so that they're chasing ME instead of me chasing them. There's a small but important difference in those frames. Harold & Kumar chose White Castle and went through hell to get it just for the satisfaction of getting what they chose/desire lol


YaReally
on April 24th, 2016 at 7:00 am
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@Culum Struan
“c) The main thrust seems to be Sentient’s point that I should have just gone sexual since I have nothing to lose. Now the reason I didn’t do that has nothing to do with YaReally’s point (that didn’t even occur to me then) – I didn’t do it because first, I have learned my lesson about not triggering ASD by over-sexualising on text too close to a meet up causing flakes. This was the biggest reason – if it had been a ping text I’d have happily sexualised and talked dirty but I didn’t want to risk triggering an ASD flake. Also, I didn’t want to give her the sexual validation she obviously wanted..I wanted to keep her hanging till she came and met me. Second reason is simply that once I refused to give her a straight answer or go sexual despite her best efforts, if I’d finally given in and done that, it would have been falling into her frame and I didn’t want to do that.”

All good points here. Just to follow up on my point: the other problem with going full sexual is that EITHER WAY you’re very likely not going to get her THAT night. She’s busy playing games and even the “why ice cream?” says like “I’m laying in bed doing fuck all, not dolled up hoping you say the right thing to get me over”.

But if you fall into her frame of chasing her aggressively sexual, the NEXT time you try to set something up you’ve already revealed your cards so you’re going to starting from fighting that uphill ASD battle. She KNOWS you want sex when you text her again and she’s in charge/gatekeeping that and shit-testing.

If you had ended the conversation when she wasn’t 100% on board and just gone radio silent, she would wonder “uhoh did I fuck it up with him?? I DO like him I just don’t want to be used for sex…but he WAS saying it would be kind of a date. A silly dumb one but still…is he mad? Does he have some other girl?” and then the next time you contact her you’re more likely to have her wondering if she’s fucked up and if you even still like her (especially if you start talking to her again but don’t pitch another date, essentially txt-friend-zoning her) which is a much betetr position.

Even when I don’t get the lay I’m thinking about how to not get the lay THAT time in the most optimal way to get the lay in the FUTURE lol

“She’s been mugged and been in bar fights and has a head injury and is epileptic etc (charming I know). Literally had not heard about Airbnb. Didn’t know what a “swingers club” even was. I tried to do the usual push/pull, laser and other stuff but the convo was a bit off.”

You gotta understand dude, a “late 40s HB5.5 MILF” comes with FUCKED UP BAGGAGE. Not just in terms of like, oh she has a kid. But in terms of like, emotionally and mentally she is DAMAGED GOODS. That’s part of why she’s not really into it and not genuine with her emotions and she’s compliant but kind of jaded and robotic about it and can’t have an interesting/genuine conversation and form a connection and shit. She’s a walking corpse just going through the motions of what she thinks she remembers being human was like 20 years ago before she went through LIFE and right now COMPANIONSHIP (talking about filing your emails) is more of a draw to her than SEX. She’s lonely and had enough sex (who knows where her sex drive is even AT at that age) and no one wants to be her companion and she’s sad and feeling hopeless.

Solid Day2 plan on your part. You’ve got that shit nailed now. You’d be surprised how many guys are out there running the most retarded logistically shitty unprepared Day2s and wondering why they aren’t getting laid on the first date when 90% of what they’re doing on their Day2s is actively preventing that. One of my biggest assets from when I first started learning game was that I understood how important a pre-planned Day2 was so I’ve always had them on lockdown. I can’t even think of the last girl that I had to wait for like a Day4+ to bang, most have been on the Day2, Day3 at the latest if I happened to trigger ASD or whatever on the Day2.

Also good security measures. Gotta be careful this day and age, can’t even count the number of male YouTube personalities being hit with rape accusations these days by their exes, it’s like a new one every week. Welcome to 2016.

“Also, I find..just the boner test is not a good test. It’s a test of whether I’d have sex with a girl, sure, but whether I am overall enjoying a girl’s company is more than that – it also has to do with personality and intelligence as well as looks.”

Ya I screen HARD for personality. Sex is awesome, but there’s all that time before and after the sex where I want girls that I actually get along with and laugh with and have a connection with. I’ve had a few hate-fuck girls where I can’t stand them but they’re hot, and it’s alright once in a while but overall, especially as I get older, I prefer to screen for girls I enjoy spending time with.

Most of the girls I hang out with genuinely make me laugh or are interesting/fun to me. People play up the stereotype of the shallow player lifestyle like all these meaningless women you want to kick out the second you orgasm and shit and it CAN be that, but if you put in the effort of learning to screen and you accept that screening means you won’t get as many girls as just going with the boner test, you can have a lot of cool experiences with a lot of fun women where you ENJOY getting that Buyer’s Remorse Egg McMuffin in the morning lol

Part of why I like cold approach is you find out INSTANTLY whether you will get along with the girl and whether you have chemistry, VS online girls where it’s hard to tell over text and you invest a week on getting them out and then potentially end up disappointed or trying to make it work just to justify the effort you’ve put in lol

“She sent me a text saying thank you for a lovely evening when she got home”

She honestly may have enjoyed the night. You’re dealing with a damaged old chick so it’s hard to say where her head is at. Personally I would just shoot her a couple courtesy txts and mention work being crazy this week bla bla with wider and wider gaps and trickle it down into not contacting her again and count your blessings that she viewed it as somehow fun, and if she contacts you pushing for a meetup I would say oh I ran into my ex and we’re going to give it another try but you’re awesome any guy would be lucky to date you good luck out there etc and tip-toe away from this chick.

@walawala @Culum
“I think you’re at the point where you can afford to be more selective. The “beggar” mentality is holding back your game. You’re not going for younger, hotter, tighter because you think you have to work up to it. It’s a mentality.”

This. End of the day you didn’t get laid…why not “not get laid” by a hot young chick instead of a 40yo robot weirdo? You figure because she’s an old 5.5 she’ll be “easier” because you know your value is higher than hers, but IS it any easier? Or is it just as many obstacles except you feel more retarded because she’s not even a hot fun girl that you’re SAD to not get to bang? lol

It’s like cold approach, I might get rejected and being rejected sucks either way, so why not get rejected by the hot 8 over there instead of getting rejected by the 5? At least with the 8 it’s like “ya but man that was worth it!!” lol

“The next morning she starts blowing up my phone. It starts with an apology: on my period couldn’t come over. I ignore. Then: “are you mad?””

This is what I mean about pulling back if she isn’t playing along, VS going directly sexual. Ya you don’t have anything to lose, for THAT lay THAT night technically…but you can lose in a way that has a higher % chance of creating THIS kind of pull which can make a different down the road.


YaReally
on April 24th, 2016 at 7:04 am
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@SJF
“Sure, ego-investments by PUA’s are going to dismiss menstruation game as non-necessary”

lol yup. Chick just had cramps and bailed on the party early and was hoping he would miss her or come over after and when he didn’t contact her she worried he was mad at her. He could go bang her on the rag but why? She’s hooked, just bang her whenever she’s done on the rag. She’s still a girl and still responds to game whether she’s bleeding or not lol

Her feelings kind of don’t matter, you MAKE/SPARK the desire in her with game.


YaReally
on April 24th, 2016 at 8:02 am
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@SJF
“Some guys might need fundamentals of game pointed out to them. You know, those without apex PUA game.”

I think we disagree that it’s a fundamental of game lol

I wouldn’t have replied to this but you had to throw in the “apex” thing. Now you’re (unintentionally I’m sure) giving guys the hope of a loophole so they don’t have to learn all that hard “apex PUA game” that you’re putting out of their reach by using the word “apex”.

ie – “this game stuff IS hard to learn so I’ll get the calendar out and stick to this magic loophole because overcoming it is only possible with APEX PUA game and I can’t picture myself ever having THAT!”

I really don’t like the Manosphere focus on period shit with anything but serious LTRs where you’re seeing her daily (VS fuckbuddies or cold approach). It’s incredibly limiting and is irrelevant infield if you’re being pro-active (which you should be). It’s no different to me than “she’ll be more DTF if you’re jacked, or if you’re rich, or if you have a BMW or if you–” Pro-actively gaming makes it irrelevant and if you aren’t being pro-active you should be working toward being pro-active not passively banking on loopholes to avoid being pro-active.

The emotional impact you’re triggering should be like a battering ram knocking in her door regardless of what day of the month it is, not sitting outside waiting for her to open it for a few days out of the month lol It doesn’t take “APEX” game, it just takes game.


YaReally
on April 24th, 2016 at 9:17 am
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This is what I mean about forcing it:

There are pro-active things you can do to trigger that sexual state that don’t take any magic level of game, just watching this video and then going and applying it. It’s not some mystical mystery, you CREATE the state and bring her INTO it. Like the classic pacing someone’s reality and then leading them into another state which Mystery used to say was one of his favorite things to do.

If you’re gaming over text you can’t really do this but infield in general the ovulation stuff just doesn’t matter when you start doing this stuff to them. Whatever day of her cycle it is, closing the gap on her while you look her in the eyes will cause a hindbrain reaction in her…if her dream sexy celebrity appears and says he’s leaving in an hour, she’ll GET horny for him lol

P.S. Todd’s infield at the end is shitty and super asexual boooo lol


YaReally
on April 24th, 2016 at 1:27 pm
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The side benefit to going out even if it’s for a short while is how much more likely are you to go out again to scratch this itch:

“and I’d have done more if I’d stuck around longer, but I had an early start today). Also probably would have done better if I’d stayed out later”
“solo game is DOABLE. I can do this and have fun..and it shouldn’t be *that* hard to close..a few more conversations, a bit more SOI and then close.”
“And I could have had more if I’d stayed out longer…”

…compared to having the mindset of “going out solo is too hard and scary and I haven’t done it in forever and I’m going to suck at it :(” which is what your brain will cycle in your head when you stop going out for a while. Even 20 minutes out and one or two conversations helps remind your brain “hey, this isn’t so bad, this is actually kind of fun!”

Props dude! Here’s James Marshall running some low-energy street game at night for inspiration:

And here Julien hits on a girl over the railing of a club’s smoking area, like he’s not even in the bar:

Nice and casual, why SHOULD pickup be tough? There’s plenty of girls walking around the streets now that summer is here, why waste money going INTO clubs and bars? Why not open and escort a girl or couple girls TO a bar? Lot of possibilities…think outside the box and break the rules.

@Sentient @Culum
“The only reason is you “wanted to be wanted” MORE than you wanted to FUCK her… that is a demonstration of neediness…”

I don’t know if that’s necessarily a bad thing. If he didn’t care about being wanted he could just go pay some sugarbabies to “let” him fuck them VS desiring him. If this was like, a 25yo chick or something who was a bit flirty or whatever I’d be closer to “ehh push it a bit and see what happens” but with a damage case weird robot late 40s chick who’s clearly a little “off”, I mean, how good is that sex even going to BE lol

I dunno, I would’ve done the same. In my mind if she isn’t reciprocating then I fucked up somewhere in terms of building value/attraction. The chick’s age is a big deal to me, women that old have way too much baggage, like for all you know she’s been raped a bunch of times or you’re gonna trigger some fucked up PTSD by grabbing her when she isn’t reciprocating or she’s had a sexless marriage and has hit menopause and doesn’t care about sex anymore or hates men for whatever baggage reasons she has or who the fuck knows what kind of view she has of sex by that age.

If she was like, a fun and cool and flirty late 40s chick, awesome, and those do exist, but THIS chick sounds like a mess that I wouldn’t have pushed things with either personally.

@theasdgamer
“Yeah, even if a woman’s acyclical (menopausal or post meno) a woman can still get freaking horny IN THE MOMENT. Game shouldn’t rely on a cyclical testosterone bolus.”

Basically there’s no day of the month where a girl looks at a photo of Tyler or me and says “I want THAT” lol No girl is fantasizing and masturbating to Tyler. No one is buying a calendar of Tyler and me shirtless.

The whole basis of what we DO with game is trigger a little spark and as soon as we get it we start to fan it into a flame and then into a raging forest fire, all when the girl isn’t in a horny mood for us, she’s not shooting us horny IOIs from across the room in a tight red dress as she jacks off the straw in her drink and bites her lip…half the time in cold approach, especially daygame, you’re blindsiding the chick who’s in who knows what headspace lol

We PUT her in that horny mood. That’s why we end up fucking them in situations where they don’t expect to get fucked (or were actively trying NOT to fuck us, like when a chick purposely doesn’t shave her legs/vag hoping that’ll prevent her from fucking that night).

Just like you might be more prone to run away from a tiger when you’ve watched a bunch of videos of tigers mauling people compared to when you’ve watched videos of dudes fighting tigers and winning, but like, regardless of any of that shit, when that tiger ACTUALLY rips through your door and smashes through the table you’re filling your little “how would you react to a tiger?” question sheet out on and leaps down in front of you and roars, you’re going to shit your pants and run away like a bitch. That Tiger forces you into the present moment and triggers your hindbrain instincts, you’re not CHOOSING to shit your pants, that shit just HAPPENS because that Tiger flipped your switches lol

That doesn’t mean it’s a 100% thing, again it’s like increasing your odds in Poker. But I sure as shit want a lot more legit INFIELD (aka in the moment hindbrain triggered live reactions) research done VS armchair laboratory “girls looked at pictures of buff dudes and skinny dudes when they were ovulating and said the buff dudes were hotter at this stage in their cycle”, before I jump on board THAT train, and I can’t imagine how you would even get reliable data for that.

@Forge the Sky
“I think (and YaReally can correct me if I’m wrong) that it’s pretty difficult to generate all that much interest over text”

It used to be easier, but then Tinder happened lol Now that social media is all over everyone’s smartphones EVERY guy is texting and it’s a lot harder to set yourself apart from the validation-fest in their phone. I say go cold approach instead, the more the average guy relies on Tinder and Facebook commenting on their photos and shit, the less they’re able to do cold approach which gives guys doing cold approach an edge.

“Like, they might even want to bang you quite a bit but just getting your attention is fine too and there’s less risk and effort for them.”

This. Say your dick doesn’t work, it fell off so you CAN’T fuck. Would you still ENJOY the attention of cute girls blowing up your phone with texts and offers to do stuff? Of course, who WOULDN’T enjoy that??

That’s why I’ve headed more towards Julien’s and Mystery’s style of making them invest/chase harder…I want THEM initiating those text conversations with ME.

“Like how you might know you’ll have a lot of fun if you go out with your friends to some bar or event, but eeehh Netflix is pretty OK too and there’s still 1 season left of Archer to watch and getting ready and psyched up to go out and then getting in a social mood is hard, so you just end up doing the safe, easy, OK thing instead of the hard, risky, awesome thing.”

lol this. It’s not that you suck it’s just that she has SO MANY OTHER THINGS on her plate that are way less effort and are still pretty good feels. She’s getting good feels from the txt convo she’s having so if she can keep you txting all night instead of having to get out of her bed, why wouldn’t she just keep txting you? And if you don’t wanna txt she has a dozen other guys to txt her and give her good feels. This is why we push hard to meet up again within 48 hours, while you’re still the shiny new object and she hasn’t been fully swarmed with all her other options yet and forgotten how awesome your time together was. A voice call can help but it can still be twisting an arm.

This “laziness” from overabundance is a product of the social media/smartphone era. It wasn’t like this back in 2005 or even 2010. Tinder going mainstream was the big turning point I’d say. Girls always had a lot of options, but those options had to APPROACH her or be in her social circle or whatever, they couldn’t just swipe right and shoot her a message or find her on the internet and Like her Instagram pic.

“It’s just so mind-blowing for a guy – especially one that’s trained himself to take action”

lol ya. What incentive do girls have to take action and leave their comfort zone? The feels she gets from her validation device aka smartphone is as good to her as the validation she’d get from going on a date or whatever…at least in her mind in that moment. It’s like I’ve got unlimited hamburgers in front of me and you’re offering me a steak if I get up and shower and travel across town and put effort in…the steak probably IS better, but the unlimited hamburgers isn’t bad and it’s low effort. It’s not like you’re going to STOP txting her forever if she doesn’t meet up, ’cause she knows you want her.

This is all again why these days I prefer the “make her chase you” frame where she isn’t SURE if you like her. But DHV’ing in person with a cold approach is a lot easier to create that “wow this guy is amazing I want to chase him” frame than trying to stand out from all the other guys on Tinder/OKCupid/etc (who wouldn’t dare approach her, or do it WELL, in a live environment).

“[cartman voice] the dark reality of the gaaame….”

lol’ed


YaReally
on April 24th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
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Try toning the texting down and see what happens. Don’t have gay go-nowhere conversations that aren’t leading toward actually meeting up. Even if that means days of not txting her. Have the mindset of “if you want my attention and all the awesome feels I give you, you’d better be meeting up with me because I don’t just hand those out”.

If you’re txting her regularly when she isn’t playing along you’re showing that she doesn’t HAVE to meet up with you to keep you around. Could mean a month of radio silence, who knows, but giving her the gift of missing you can sometimes help in these situations if you’ve already fucked her. And if you HAVEN’T already fucked her, I mean, she put all that effort in last time and didn’t get laid, why’s she gonna do it again? lol


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on April 19th, 2016 at 12:35 am
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“That seems to be more about the gumption to MAKE SHIT HAPPEN from the guy. Which makes it ‘ok’ for the girl to ‘just let it happen.’”

This just comes back to ASD, that’s all. She needs to feel like she has no accountability/responsibilty for what happens.

“Probably tied to the way chicks are wired to be strongly turned on by guys being strongly turned on by them, and who have the guts to ACT. They desire your desire.”

Only if they’re attracted to you. That’s why in Mystery Method (which again is the breakdown/reverse engineering of what HAPPENS in all seduction/attraction, not theory/guesswork) you don’t make a Statement of Interest (Male to Female interest, aka A3) until you’ve passed A2 (Female to Male interest, aka iois etc). Because if you make an SoI without having A2, she doesn’t WANT your SoI. She doesn’t WANT your desire, you are NOTHING to her at best, or the equivalent of a fat chick to us at the worst. And how do we get A2? By Demonstrating SOME kind of High-Value (by her value system). If you don’t have value to her, she doesn’t have desire for you. So you DHV (A1) to stoke desire (A2) and then reciprocate interest (A3) after making her earn it with a qualifying her.

When you see guys going up to “just kiss her as an opener” or “just kiss her off hello”, they’re still following this order of stages, but they’re relying on their externals and whatever subcomms they demonstrate in that 0.1 seconds to be high-value enough for them to BE their DHV and as they’re moving in the girl has decided in that split second (Malcom Gladwell Blink and all that) that ok those externals/subcomms plus going for it gives them juuust enough DHV value that they’re open to an escalation and BECAUSE in that split nanosecond they’ve decided “ok I’m interested juuuust enough for this” as the guy is getting into her personal space (which builds sexual tension, see the Gambler/Liam vids I always link about cutting space, and going for the kiss CAN be a DHV in itself (shows confidence, assuming attraction, probable former success (preselection) etc)), the guy is reaching her just a split second after that split second where she had just enough A2 based off his split second DHV of whatever she saw/felt from his externals/subcomms in that split second before that.

So it’s still Mystery Method, it’s still in the same order that Mystery laid out (because it’s reverse engineered), it’s just happening SO FAST that guys summarize it as “bro just kiss the girl!!”

To analyze those interactions we have to take that one or two seconds and streeeeetch it out in super slow motion to see what’s going on.

The difference between whether you get the kiss or get the cheek or get the “fuck off” running away is how much value you have to her. If you’re really good looking, that MIGHT be high-value to her, but that might also trigger her ASD (“why would he want me” “does he do this with all the girls, I’m not a slut like them” “wow he’s so hot I don’t want him to think I’m just some bar skank so I’d better not kiss him” “my friends are around and they hate this type of guy” “ugh, this guy looks like he’s obsessed with the gym I remember dating a guy like that and hated it I want a dad-bod guy”) etc. It depends entirely on her value system, and the guy’s subcomms make a big difference (watch Keys to the VIP and you’ll see TONS of great-looking dudes act like lame chodes with horrible low-value subcomms when it comes to escalation and the girls reject them for it).

That’s why a lot of guys learning “game” who get jacked just spam approach like GLL in that 15 min pickup vid, because they don’t really understand game deep enough to stretch out that 2 second window. To them it’s all just a numbers game and their method is enhance their externals as much as possible to hopefully appeal to the widest number of women and then just cross your fingers and take your random inconsistency. When you ask them “why didn’t it work on that girl?” they usually can’t explain why, they’ll just sum it up as “she just wasn’t DTF bro” or blame something else that’s out of their control, when really, if you took that 2 second approach they did and stretched it out and got inside that girl’s head and her history and life, you would see that he didn’t DHV enough in that split-second to have enough A2 to show interest back (A3) and so they didn’t get the kiss.

But those guys are so chained to society’s value system that they can’t imagine that a girl WOULDN’T be into muscles or tall guys or being ripped etc. Like it’s inconceivable to them that the girl may have a different value system based on her own life experiences/tastes/blueprint of what gets her wet. So instead of saying “maybe I’m not DHV’ing in the right way for this particular girl”, they turn things around and place the blame on the GIRL and say “oh she’s a prude” or “oh she just wasn’t DTF no big deal bro lots of these sluts are horny as fuck just hit the next one up” etc because they can’t imagine that there isn’t a direct correlation between how good-looking they are and how turned on girls are (same with money etc).

That’s why that GLL 15 min vid is frustrating to watch. Because their rejection of his escalation is just a lack of calibration on his part…if he calibrated to that the way Tyler Julien etc do, he would know “ok I don’t have enough value to her yet to do that, so I have to DHV a bit and then try again”. But his version of DHV’ing is trying to awkwardly force into the conversation that he’s in law school or whatever it was, and it comes off the same as a guy trying to brag about his new watch or car…try-hard and weird like he’s qualifying himself, so the girls are just kind of like “meh” about his “DHV”s, which comes back to what I said before about how what GLL is teaching (and most of the TRP forums and Manosphere) is just a watered down unstructured BAD version of what Mystery and crew explained step by step in-depth to do more efficiently.

This understanding is why Mystery frontloads a lot of his value, to ensure consistent success. He is basically never going for the kiss unless he KNOWS he’s going to get it because he’s never going for it until he has massive A2 (Female to Male interest) after doing a bunch of DHV’ing (A1). And in his mind any girl he doesn’t get enough A2 to escalate on, he adds to his social circles and introduces them to his friends (VS the guys who just “NEXT!!!” out of a set where the girl isn’t immediately into them (even though they haven’t DHV’ed enough)), so in his mind it’s all win/win for everyone involved.

And ultimately that’s why the kiss her off the hello is so randomly hit or miss. It’s mind-blowing to guys that they can do it at ALL and that blows a bunch of their limiting beliefs out of the way, so it’s good for them to do it, but the results are generally wildly inconsistent (unless the guy REALLY tightens that little split second window of DHV’ing, like Tyler will lock eyes with a girl as he’s approaching her and puts out the right subcomms etc to do it but he’s doing that consciously and knows it’s necessary VS just randomly grabbing girls to kiss them).

That’s why whenever guys are like “just go up and try to kiss every girl” I always step in and say no, TRY to kiss every girl, but do it off a VERY FAST version of Mystery Method: DHV and the FIRST ioi you get qualify her once on something that isn’t her looks and THEN go for the kiss, instead of just going up and with no iois going for the kiss. The difference is like 5-10 seconds, but the consistency goes up dramatically because it’s following the proper structure.

“I suppose I just don’t quite get the difference between your urgently pursuing her to get the bang, which shows intent and is attractive to her (so you actually get the bang) VS her chasing you strongly bc you’re high-value to her. It’s like there’s two separate mechanisms there.”

There’s two ways to urgently pursue her. One is high-value coming from a place of self-amused “we both know we want this, I’m choosing you over other girls, I WANT you but I don’t NEED you” etc, the other is low-value coming from a place of “please I NEED to fuck you, all my self-esteem is based on whether I get you or not, please I NEED you to WANT me”. The problem is most new guys don’t have the abundance of women in their lives to pull off the high-value version and end up doing the low-value version because they really do need to get laid lol So you can get like 90% of the way to the lay and then drop the ball when that desperation kicks in because the whole time the frame was that she was the one being chased and deciding what happens.

So with all those variables yes it can work, but it’s not the highest consistent % odds. Whereas if you’re running Mystery/Julien/Tyler style game where you DHV enough and disqualify the girl enough that she’s chasing you hardcore (like that blonde girl following Mystery around all night demanding he take her phone number etc in that infield I linked in the other thread), that’s basically a 100% success rate whenever you can get them into that Doggy Dinner Bowl stage of Attraction. You would almost have to actively try NOT to get laid to avoid it if you get them to that stage and even if you try to avoid it often it’ll just make them try HARDER because it’s a game of cat & mouse to them.

So ultimately while MM is a slower route VS just getting jacked and playing the numbers game, it ends up being more consistent in the longrun because she’s decided she WANTS this to happen and it’s more flexible because you can always lead the interaction in some other direction or take a step back congruently when you get resistance and keep DHVing (like say turning your back on her and engaging another girl beside you two or engaging her friends in high-value ways while casually discreetly freezing her out). Plus it’s game you can use if you’re not traditionally good-looking or don’t have externals (or no longer have them, like a player that loses his looks as he ages) that will help tip the odds of that forced split-second decision going for the insta-makeout, in your favor.

On top of that you have to account for cultural shifts etc. Like look at a girl’s Tinder messages and you’ll find most of the guys are either trying super direct game that comes off douchebaggy/bravado (covering up low self-esteem by being TOO aggressive/forward) or super asexual indirect jokester nice guy game. There’s rarely any middle ground where the guy is BEING sexual (but not necessarily sexual toward HER, just cool joking/talking about sexual topics, comfortable with it) and qualifying her and pulling back to build value when he crosses lines etc

So that girl goes out into the real world to a bar, and you come up and you CAN just try for the makeout…but if you DO, do it with that split second of following proper MM structure. Otherwise if you haven’t DHV’ed to her then you’re not really any different from the 200 guys on her Tinder that go “hey u dtf?” who also don’t have value to her and thus don’t get her interest.

Also while being slutty is more socially acceptable now because of Feminism, girls here and there are wising up to the realization that putting out too soon and being too slutty makes high-value long-term partners only want a pump & dump instead of an LTR (you’ll see this a ton in the 23+ yo’s, and ESPECIALLY the late 20s and beyond crowd). So again you’re risking triggering a lot more ASD/LMR and blowing yourself out more with girls who WOULD’VE chosen you and fucked you if you had chilled and just DHV’ed in sexual ways (most of my DHV stories are sexual ones or involve sexual humor) and let her choose you, then did some push/pull by disqualifying her, making her qualify to you and invest/chase you, and THEN allow her to have the kiss.

That’s part of why I prefer indirect now (especially as I get older). I’m very unlikely to have the kind of externals that a lot of other guys have, but BECAUSE I make girls chase ME, I’m the guy they’re having their providery guys (who are way better looking, richer, more successful, more travelled, better dressed, etc than me) drop off at my place after their asexual date where she’s making him wait. Because she knows she can have him whenever she wants, he’s laid his cards on the table and chosen her and is chasing her. But when we met I made her choose ME and that made all the difference.

It goes deeper too, like that’s why she’ll gloss over other guys’ features and notice their flaws more. Because they’re choosing her so she’s in the postion of “is he good enough?” and trying to find ways to disqualify him. But because she’s chosen me, she’ll gloss over my flaws and notice my features more, the same way she would tell me she loves my belly if we were in an LTR, and she legitimately WOULD…while we’re in that LTR and she’s attracted to me lol Once we’re NOT, then she’ll hate it and be like oh man what was I thinking lol

None of this is to take away from direct game. It’s good to show intent…but do it in A3, after you have A2 (and make sure you understand how to DHV (A1) so you can GET A2, and how to transition into A3 properly (qualify her on something other than her looks)).

As I’ve explained in my archives somewhere, what Julien has done with his system in PIMP is he’s taken Mystery Method and just looped A1 – A3…Mystery would just disqualify the girl once or twice max and then let her “pass” and give her an SOI. And that was fine back before social media and smartphones and shit, when girls weren’t SWIMMING in SOIs from guys from all angles (even that Like on her Facebook pic is an SOI).

But to compete with how thirsty all the other guys are, Julien has ramped it up so that he DISqualifies the girls harshly (emotional impact) and repeatedly while looping back to A1. So Mystery looks like A1, A2, disqualify, qualify, A3. But Julien looks like A1, A2, disqualify, A1, A2, disqualify, disqualify, disqualify, A1, TONS of A2, disqualify, A1, A2 through the roof, NOW qualify, NOW A3.

Mystery did a similar looping for fun (again see that blonde girl chasing him around for his number) but it wasn’t as in-your-face as Julien…but then Mystery wasn’t competing with her pulling out her smartphone in the bathroom and seeing 50 messages from orbiters, ex-boyfriends, fuckbois, Tinder matches, Instagram/Facebook comments/Likes, Dicaprio Tweeting them, etc etc

PIMP IS just Mystery Method amped up for 2016’s culture. If you understand MM well (what Mystery ACTUALLY says, not the cartoon character summary version of what 90% of the TRP/Manosphere (and even a lot of the modern PUA generation) THINKS Mystery said based on shallow glances at the material or second/third/fourth-hand summaries) and listen to PIMP you’ll notice Julien is stressing most of the same stuff Mystery does (like time-bridging to solidify things if you HAVE to settle for a number, and viewing a number AS settling etc). Because the way seduction works (A1-S3) hasn’t changed. It’s human nature even if we aren’t conscious that we’re doing it or even if it happens in that blink of an eye.


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YaReally
on April 12th, 2016 at 9:53 pm
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Busy this week but dropping in to say you will lol when you realize how common everything you’re feeling is. The whole “we’re both fucked up so we should be together” thing is such a classic trope. Everyone loves that shit. Why do you think Fight Club ends with Jack & Marla holding hands as the buildings crumble? Why do you think girls are going to be masturbating over Joker & Harley in the new Suicide Squad movie? Why do you think Pulp Fiction opens with two fucked up robbers sticking up the diner?

Everyone thinks that shit is romantic, ESPECIALLY BPD chicks, and they’ll hype it up. If you look back in your history with her, SHE’S probably the one who SUGGESTED that because you’re both fucked up you “get” eachother. Even TYLER has a speech (wish I could remember which video) where he talks about a girl he was with and pretty much quotes you, he used to be super fucked up (rough upbringing and really anti-social anarchist type mentalities frustrated with the world) and so was she and he thought it was so romantic that they would be fucked up together and “get” eachother and have that connection that no one else understands.

It’s all BULLLLLLSHIT. The LAST thing you would do with someone you care about who you know is fucked up, is guilt, shame, gaslight, mentally fuck with, use and mentally abuse them.

She’s addicting because she’s doing Push/Pull on you. Push you away with a fight, Pull you in with sex. Push you away by doing shitty stuff, Pull you in by blaming YOU for it so you apologize for “causing” it or for “not telling her”, telling you to fuck off and go tell your friends horrible things about her then telling you you’re perfect for eachother and why can’t you see that and to come over, etc etc

She exaggerates your position so that you defend yourself (“go tell your friends I’m a stupid worthless slut whore” “no baby I don’t think that about you, I never said that, you’re not worthless” = now you’re chasing her).

Like, that’s classic Boyfriend Destroyer tactics where if you insult a girl’s boyfriend she’ll defend him (“he sounds like a loser, why are you with him, he’s a jerk, he’s abusing you” “nooo, you just hear when I complain, he’s actually really sweet sometimes”), and when you compliment him she’ll insult him (“he sounds like the perfect guy, you must be so happy I bet you guys are perfect together, you’re lucky to be with him” “well he’s not PERFECT, I mean sometimes he–“).

By insulting herself, she triggers you defending her, which convinces your brain that she’s not that bad and makes your brain think “maybe I misjudged her, she’s not as bad as that slutty cheating whore vision she put in my head so relatively speaking she’s better than that”.

When that doesn’t work, she’ll flip to shit about how she’s better than you deserve and you don’t appreciate her and you don’t communicate and she can do better than you but is passing up all these guys because you two have a SPESHUL connection with your fucked up history and you GET eachother god why can’t you see that, etc etc

She’ll flip back and forth and flip through her rolodex (search my archive for “walawala rolodex”) looking for ways to get you to react to her.

And whether it works or doesn’t work, she knows she always has the nuke of “come over” so you can fuck (note that ASD even applies in these situations lol, she asks you to come over to talk or cuddle, dat biological wiring!)

I could literally predict 3/4 of the things she said to you because I’ve heard the same type of shit from every BPD chick ever to every guy (including myself) ever lol

You’ll probably end up caving and fucking her, ’cause she’s going to make an effort to get face to face with you again where she knows she can fuck with your head and then touch your cack and hopefully get you to cave.

Just remember, and I’m not joking about this next part, you are dealing with a Cluster-B chick:

If/when you fuck her, do NOT rawdog it and do NOT finish inside her even with a condom on (in fact I would blow it onto the sheets or something, wouldn’t even trust it in her mouth if she runs to the bathroom right after, all she’s gotta do is spit it into her hand and shove it up there). Do NOT listen to anything she says about being on birth control or having a “tilted uterus so the doctor says I CAN’T get pregant” (they ALL think that) or ANYTHING. Act under the assumption that one drop of jizz in her pussy WILL get her immediately pregnant. Use your own condoms that she has NO access too, if you have any in your drawer or at her place, toss them out and use a brand new box that you buy tomorrow because they will very likely have holes in them now that you’ve tried to leave her.

There’s a VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE CHANCE that she will fake a pregnancy or try VERY hard to GET pregnant.

But most importantly: if she DOES tell you she’s pregnant, do NOT FUCK HER RAWDOG. If she goes that route and is lying, there’s a good chance she’ll tell you “well I’m already pregnant so we don’t need that condom, it feels SO much better without it baby” as she tries to get on top and climb on your dick or lead it in however, turning on the full pornstar acting mode she needs to to get preggers and lock you to her for life.

She may NOT be pregnant, but then she fucks your brains out for a week straight, rawdog, and then she’s pregnant and you’ll always think she was telling the truth that she was already pregnant.

No fucking if she mentions pregnancy, ’cause she’s probably bluffing and it’s probably one of her other guys’ if she isn’t bluffing lol If THAT situation goes down, tell us about it and we can help guide you through dealing with THAT shitshow but hopefully none of this happens.

Good luck dude, keep writing. Your experience will help other guys in a similar situation someday, because this is a VERY COMMON relationship with Cluster-B chicks and every guy in it thinks he’s the only one in it and the only one who understands it and has no one to talk to about it or get advice from because everyone is a blue pill brainwashed dipshit who will send him right back into the line of fire thinking he can tame the lion lol

You’re too fucked up to fix her and she doesn’t want to be fixed, she LOVES this drama and the rollercoaster of emotions she gets from all of this. LOVES it. She doesn’t WANT to fix it. You HATE this shit, and you have to fix yourself on your own.

Understand that she isn’t going to help you fix yourself because if you were fixed you would LEAVE her because you don’t have that romantic “we’re both fucked up” connection anymore. She NEEDS you to be fucked up and stay fucked up and be MORE fucked up so that you’ll stay with her forever, and she has to STAY fucked up so you guys have that romantic connection.

She’ll probably throw a suicide threat at you, but just ignore it. Don’t even reply or anything, just delete it and come on here and post that she threatened it. It’s not real and it’s not serious, it’s just another card in the Cluster-B rolodex to get you to react (again search my archive for that, any reaction is a good reaction for her even hate or anger or concern etc).

You’ll be fine down the road, the fact that you’re even here and that you even have a support network of guys who are legitimately looking out for you and want you to succeed at all of this shit, that’s going to help. We WANT you to get another girl, we WANT you to find some cool chick that isn’t fucking with your head and that you feel like a king around her. We don’t want to see you end up just another warning someone posts on reddit for a bunch of feminists to comment “well it’s HIS fault for not committing to her, ugh why are men such assholes he deserves whatever he gets” lol

She’s probably going to throw a shitload more crazy at you. Don’t engage her, try to cut ties completely. I didn’t read your shit about social media but delete your Facebook if you have to, your close friends and family will understand when you explain why you have to do it, everyone who isn’t your close friends and family doesn’t matter right now, you can always re-add the cool ones in 6 months when shit has settled down and you’re out of the fog of war.

Hang in there and hold on, the rollercoaster ride is probably gonna get bumpy but there’s always an end to it.

@Culum
Good luck dude


YaReally
on April 13th, 2016 at 9:31 am
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@Sentient @Softek
““Hang in there and hold on, the rollercoaster ride is probably gonna get bumpy but there’s always an end to it.””

lol re-reading that it could sound like I’m telling him to weather the storm and make it work with the girl. Just want to calrify that I’m (obviously) not lol I mean hold on through the rollercoaster of dumping her crazy ass ’cause there’s a good chance she won’t LET you dump her easily.

@Sun Wukong @Andy
““Do NOT listen to anything she says about being on birth control or having a “tilted uterus so the doctor says I CAN’T get pregant” (they ALL think that)””

“Crazy… Mine said shit like that too. Damn, wish I had this place back then. Apparently chicks threatening suicide to get attention is a fairly common thing… Who knew?
“This is exactly the shit my buddy stuck with his Cluster-B(itch) and two kids was told by her”

This is the stuff Softek needs to hear ’cause every dude who goes through these situations thinks he’s the only one and his situation is special, but it’s not. Cluster-Bs are fucking crazy and have WAY MORE EXPERIENCE at being crazy than the guys their with have at dealing with crazy lol

“Sure enough the moment he’d reduced it to bootie calls after years of tumultuous bullshit from her she gets pregnant. Whether it was bad luck

On a more serious note this goes to my post on pLTRs and how you can always get MORE serious with a girl but getting LESS serious (going from an LTR to booty call) is her LOSING something and that triggers crazy/drama.

@Softek
To help with going radio silent on her, if you guys txted a lot and you have that urge to txt because it’s just a routine thing for most people in a relationship, tell a buddy you’re going to be txting him a shitload because of your situation and to just ignore your txts, or txt your own phone number. It can help wean you off txting her ’cause every time you get drunk or are up late alone and lonely etc your instincts will be like “maybe I should txt her…” and she’s probably going to be trying to get your attention (when she isn’t sucking a bunch of cocks, which she was doing while she was with you (ASK US HOW WE KNOW lol) and shaming you for looking at girls).


YaReally
on April 13th, 2016 at 9:40 am
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@Softek
Cluster-B/BPDs:

http://gettinbetter.com/blackmail.html

Page looks like a shitty 90s website but skimming the info there it looks solid. You’ll recognize a TON of behaviors being described.


YaReally
on April 13th, 2016 at 8:23 pm
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@kfg
lol was just about to post that.

The thing is though:

@Softek
“Half-assing going into a committed relationship with this girl, and half-assing fucking other girls. I’m like stuck between a halfway point in both directions.”

Not sure if you meant this with your wording so disregard this if I misinterpreted it (but lurkers pay attention), but there’s no “middle of the road” here. Going into a committed relationship with this girl is NOT AN OPTION. You can be single or you can fuck this other girl, but committing to a Cluster-B psycho is not on the table anymore. You know who she is and what she’s doing, there’s no scenario where you commit to her and live happily ever after.

Say you did go “ok baby I only want to be with you” and commit to her, rewarding her with the thing she wanted.

If you gave her the commitment she wants, would this behavior stop? Would she settle down and be a sweet sunshine rainbow for you? Maybe. For a couple weeks when she’s getting Facebook Likes at the announcement.

But what would you have taught her? You taught her that the way to get what she wants is to do EVERYTHING SHE’S DONE TO YOU. You’ve said “if you treat me like this and give me this kind of drama and shame me and guilt me and pressure me and threaten me and gaslight me and mentally abuse me and make me feel worthless, I will reward you with whatever it is that you want even if that goes against my nature and all my internal desires.”

If your dog bites you and you hand it doggy treats, do you think it’s going to STOP biting you? Or is it going to think “if I want doggy treats, I gotta bite this dude”? And if the next time it bites you harder, you give it MORE doggy treats, do you think it’s going to stop biting you? Or stop being hungry?

Every day you don’t dump her ass, you’re training her to treat you worse.


YaReally
on April 14th, 2016 at 4:41 pm
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ffs…

SOLID PLAY gentlemen! Well done! Bravo!

I hope making the nuanced point that “well I was with a legitimate BPD girl (see MY situation was SPESHUL, no one has had it as bad as *I* had it) and like, this girl is just CRAZY, not BPD, she didn’t do this and that so she’s not BPD, we shouldn’t throw those diagnoses around you guise!! #CONCERNTROLL” was worth it.

Do you guys know WHY I stress the “looks and money don’t matter” stuff so much that you all think I’m an annoying broken record? Because there are very tiny nuances to those subjects that guys will figure out when they rack up enough field experience, but guys who are still unplugging will LATCH ONTO THOSE NUANCES and MISINTERPRET THEM HARDCORE to rationalize sticking to doing what they’re doing and not actually changing their belief system or actions, and they are nowhere near experienced enough to grasp those nuances and NOT exaggerate them and hamster-rationalize them into justification for making bad decisions.

It’s like the whole beta omega gamma sigma Manosphere Mental Masturbation. Here’s how it works: You’re alpha or you’re beta. You’re not alpha with a 23% level of sigma but occasionally omega tendencies when you listen to a sad song. If you’re not overall alpha you work toward becoming that. Done. Now go out and approach instead of rationalizing staying in because “I’m an introverted sigma alpha which means I only step up when I’m in this specific wolf pack situation”. This is all MENTAL MASTURBATION that gives guys who’s brains are looking for ANY way to avoid changing their lives up (because that’s scary and unknown) a way to rationalize sticking to their shitty behavior that has led them down a path that got them typing “how do I fix my life” into Google and ending up in these communities.

So congrats, we were successfully performing open-heart surgery on Softek here and you walked into the ER room with a textbook spouting irrelevant nuances about “well ACTUALLY the mortality rate of this disease is really only 99.9999%” that make his brain go “Sooooo you’re saying there’s a CHANCE??” and have him wanting to jump off the table and take his chances and beat the odds.

Bravo!!

He went from THIS (really re-read these so you get the severity of this and the implications for future behavior from her down the road (this is how she behaves when HE CAN LEAVE her ass…do you think her behavior will be better or worse when he CAN’T LEAVE her easily?)):

bitching about me to her Beta Orbiter friends, and girl friends, who all think I’m a scumbag and am ‘abusing’ her

“grilling the fuck out of me asking me if I’m sending pics to other girls, seeing other girls, want to fuck other girls, if I want to move in with her, if I want to have kids with her — like Jesus Fucking Christ, STOP.”

“bringing up drama constantly, and how quickly she’ll flip from being OK to giving me so much shit about not committing to her, saying I don’t give a fuck about her or her feelings, that I don’t care about her, etc. etc.”

“her having some fucking Beta orbiter over her place, without telling me, and then the guy shows up and is playing nice when I know all the shit he’s talked about me behind my back, and then her girl friends too…

“…it’s a fucking nightmare. And I’m stuck and staying in it because deep down I know I haven’t developed the skills I need to be sexually autonomous. I’m not meeting other women. I’m not Gaming them. I’m certainly not getting laid by any other women.”

“That just gets magnified by “abuse” stories I’ve heard from this girl, about how all men are pigs, all men are disgusting, especially when she called me, directly, disgusting, and that I made her sick, because she saw me looking at other girls that were dressed slutty at a party we went to.”

“If it was an arrangement where she wasn’t giving me shit about looking at other girls, and trying to put a chastity belt on me that only she has the key to, it would be different. But I just had a moment of realization where it’s like…..okay, she’s giving me shit for looking at other girls, but it’s okay for her to have guys sleep over her house?”

“Now she’s saying that it’s all my fault, because I haven’t communicated with her, and that she can’t know if I don’t let her know. Then she swears at me, telling me to fuck off, then says good, I won’t have to deal with her anymore.”

“And all the guilt tripping and shaming and gaslighting.”

“I feel like my head just got fucked into oblivion.”

To reading mental masturbation like this:

“however I’m a bit put back at all this Cluster B and BPD terminology. I think it is a bit off, a misdiagnosis…”
“Yeah, I’m not completely sure either. Unless I missed a story about her being drunk and picking fights with bouncers. lol.”
“I think putting this kind of label on common female behavior encourages unicorn hunting”
“and you have strong frame, then there is little damage they can do. I think BPD chicks should be a right of passage for males in their 20’s.”
“Many in the manosphere throw around BPD and Cluster B disorders quite freely and it’s never a good idea to listen to amateurs make psychological diagnoses 2nd or 3rd hand based on website forum comments.”

And surprise surprise look what we get:

“A bunch of times she got violent and would start beating the shit out of the other girl. She loved fighting and would constantly be out yelling at people and starting shit.”
“The girl I’ve been seeing has issues, but nothing even close to that level”

Great, so now we have “being drunk and picking fights with bouncers” as the standard of what “BPD” is to him. Perfect! His girl isn’t physically abusive, so she’s not THAT BAD GUISE.

“Even my other friend whose GF HATED me because he liked hanging out with me so much, and would sometimes spend more time with me than her, and would SCREAM at him and call him names right in front of me….also nothing close to that level.”

See OTHER girls are bad, so REALLY by comparison RELATIVE to them, his girl isn’t THAT BAD. I mean sure, she talks shit about him to her friends and the other guys she’s fucking and then convinces him that that’s all his fault, sure she thinks he’s disgusting and sick because he dared to look at another girl, but THAT’S TOTALLY HEALTHY because she’s not picking fights with bouncers you guys!!!

“I get what people are saying, to be careful because labeling her as BPD can put me on a unicorn hunt, thinking that any other girls are going to be so much better, when in reality I need to work on myself.”

“Is she really being out of line (beyond what most normal girls would be like)”

TOTALLY. Really, she is just acting TOTALLY NORMAL. Every girl we’ve all been with acts like this. The chick I was watching porn with the other week was actually SECRETLY pissed off at me for daring to look at other women and went home to have an orbiter over to bitch about how abusive I am before texting me that I’m disgusting and to telling me to fuck off. That’s PERFECTLY NORMAL BEHAVIOR. It’s all HIS FAULT that she’s like that. Because hey, if you have a strong frame there’s little damage they can do right BRAH??

“All things considered I think she’s actually a pretty good girl,”

Awww, that’s ADORABLE.

From her talking shit about him to all her friends and gaslighting him etc to now she’s a PRETTY GOOD GIRL. GUISE, I CAN MAKE IT WORK!! SHE’S NOT BPD!!!

“In my mind, I don’t feel like commitment isn’t an option because she’s BPD, because while she does have issues, I don’t want to label her like that, as if some magical unicorn girl exists somewhere else in the world.”

“because she’s 30, I’m 4 years younger, and she really wants to find someone who is going to commit exclusively to her long-term, and I’m not in a position where that’s a reasonable thing to expect”

Fucking manosphere mental masturbation sends another guy right back into the lion cage with a woman who’s about to hit the wall and is throwing around a bunch of emotional manipulation and gaslighting him into thinking it’s all his fault, instead of getting him the fuck out of dodge where he can work on himself.

Here’s how the BPD/Cluster-B shit works in terms of PRACTICAL advice: IT DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER. There are girls who will have a net-positive effect on your life and there are girls who will have a net-negative effect on your life. Whether they’re officially diagnosed as BPD or Cluster-B or Bipolar or alcoholic or drug addicts or sociopaths or victims of the FI or just inherently shitty human beings DOESN’T MATTER.

The prescription for ALL OF THOSE is the same: GET THE FUCK OUT. No, you’re not going to find a perfect unicorn, but the behavior she’s executing is NOT NORMAL HEALTHY GOOD NET-POSITIVE BEHAVIOR and it WILL fuck your life up because you, specifically you, Softek, in your current position and mental health and point in your journey of understanding yourself, are NOT EQUIPPED TO TAME THE LION. You WILL get eaten. That’s why we’re warning you about it because the things she’s doing are the intitial red flags of MUCH WORSE TO COME that other girls won’t provide. Other girls won’t be perfect, they’re not unicorns, but you are basically eating a McDonald’s burger out of a dumpster and going “well that Wendy’s burger fresh off the grill isn’t a steak, so I’ll stick to this dumpster diving burger”.

Fuck all the omega sigma delta BPD Cluster-B madonna whore mental masturbation in the manosphere, FUCK. This is why the Manosphere rarely produces guys who get their shit together and make significant change in their lives. This is why half the Manosphere are the same guys that were here a few years ago, getting the same results they were getting back then. Because there’s so much mental masturbation about irrelevant little nuances and everyone wants to jack off to the discussion instead of going out and racking up field experience that would TELL them “bro, just walk away from this one, whatever you wanna say she has or diagnose it as, she’s going to be a net-negative in your life in the long-run” instead of “ACTUALLY YOU GUYS, STATISTICS SHOW THAT AWWHHHWHHHH”

@scribblerg @Softek
“You need to get Machiavellian with this shit.”
“If you are wise, you can get some porn-level gymnastics out of this chick of you play her right. And by being able to play her like that you will take your power back and feel differently.”

Are you fucking KIDDING?? Do you think he’s in a mindset where he’s CAPABLE of owning this chick who’s already running circles around him and knows him better than he knows himself?? You want to send this guy back in to try to get some porn 3somes out of this chick who’s already fucking his head up??

You need to get the fuck back to sarging instead of being a football dad who’s trying to re-live his glory days by pushing his kid into a game he’s going to get slaughtered in and yapping about how he would’ve gotten a touchdown while he chugs a beer on the couch watching the Superbowl.

@kfg
This is the best summary:

When a generic crazy bitch acts out you think: “This thing just happened. Bitch be crazy.”

When a BPD acts out you think: “WTF just happened? Am I going crazy?”

Like Softek said: “I feel like my head just got fucked into oblivion.”

Call it BPD, call it Cluster-B, call it corrupted by feminism, call it ANYTHING YOU WANT, but get the fuck out. You are not equipped to handle what she’s going to throw at you, ESPECIALLY after you’ve taught her that you don’t have boundaries and then try to establish them. She is better at this than you and she knows it and she WANTS you to think that you’re better than her at it because that makes you easier to beat at it.

@all
On a side note this Softek 180’ing fiasco is a GREAT example of how and why Boyfriend Destroyers work. Like I said before, if you talk shit about her boyfriend, she’ll defend him, if you compliment him, she’ll insult him. Everyone’s calling his girl BPD, so instinctively he wants to defend her ESPECIALLY when guys give him the justification to DO SO by minimizing her behavior. “oh but I said afterward “but you should still get out””…FUNNY HOW HE DOESN’T LISTEN TO THAT PART. It’s almost like his brain, while unplugging, will just pick and choose the parts it WANTS to hear to rationalize doing what it wants to do and will convince him it’s the right decision.


YaReally
on April 14th, 2016 at 5:29 pm
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@Softek
Tell us again how you two met btw. I mean, this “pretty good girl” treated her last guy who gave her commitment pretty good right?


YaReally
on April 14th, 2016 at 5:33 pm
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@Sentient
“and my initial advice to him to just dump her NOT BECAUSE SHE MIGHT BE BPD (or whatever scary term one wishes to use) but merely for the experience of being a)unhappy and b) being the dumper not the dumpee…”

My point is that when you give a guy who’s unplugging that kind of advice, his brain will latch onto it as a way to excuse what he’s doing. Get him off the operating table, THEN talk about nuances, don’t walk into the middle of the ER going “you know, this disease that has you puking up blood every day might not be AIDS, it might just be CANCER” because that guy is going to go “wait what?? It’s not AIDS?!? WHEW!!!!” and run away to go let the cancer kill him because relative to aids, cancer doesn’t seem THAT bad.

It doesn’t matter if you follow it up with “no but you should still have this scary AIDS surgery you don’t want to have”, he isn’t gonna listen, he’s already out the door and flagging down a cab with his ass hanging out of his hospital gown.

Save that shit for when they guy isn’t writing 10 page long posts about how fucked up his situation is and all the horrible shit she’s done to him.


YaReally
on April 14th, 2016 at 8:25 pm
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@Softek
“Even my psychiatrist told me the other day that I need to tell her that she if she wants to continue seeing me, she needs to start going to therapy or doing SOMETHING to get treated, because if she doesn’t want to improve herself or get better, this isn’t going to work, and I just need to end it. ”

What your Blue Pill psychiatrist doesn’t get is that she doesn’t WANT TO GET BETTER. What she’s doing is WORKING. It’s KEEPING YOU AROUND. It’s KEEPING YOU ADDICTED TO HER.

And she ENJOYS IT. She WANTS TO FEEL BAD EMOTIONS AS WELL AS GOOD EMOTIONS. That’s why we pay money to horror movies, that’s why girls watch soap operas and read Twilight and shit. BAD EMOTIONS ARE GOOD EMOTIONS TO HER BECAUSE *******ANYTHING******* THAT ISN’T A DULL FLATLINE OF EMOTION MAKES HER FEEL *****ALIVE*****.

That’s why they cheat on the predictable provider guy who provides them a flatline of emotion even if that flatline is generally positive…they go fuck their lives up and cause themselves MASSIVE DRAMA because they want to feel ANYTHING, good or bad.

Your girl won’t “get treated” because she doesn’t WANT to “improve herself” or “get better” because FROM HER PERSPECTIVE THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HER. She LOVES the experience she’s having.

That’s WHY she cheated on her last boyfriend. THESE ARE NOT FLAWS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED TO HER.

“Then again most people haven’t made suicide attempts or cut themselves or have a history of self-destructive tendencies and substance addictions and all that other shit.”

Way more have than you realize, and a shitload of them end up in communities like this asking questions like you because they’re in situations like yours. You are not a special and unique snowflake even if it feels like your experiences are unique. That’s why we’re able to nail your situationa and your thoughts and her actions etc, that’s WHY Tyler’s speeches on it resonate with you, because we GET IT. You are NOT the first fucked up dude to come along looking for help to fix himself lol

Hell, in my mind you aren’t even a BAD case or a hardcase, you are lightyears ahead of most guys because you are smart/self-aware/analytical enough to even objectively LOOK at your actions and question the stuff happening in your situation. Most guys are completely oblivious. That’s why I know that when you get away from her to where you CAN work on your shit, you’ll be fine. But around her she will always be 10 steps ahead of you because she is WAY better at this than you are.

“I literally almost wrote, “I haven’t ONCE had the urge to put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger since I met this girl and have been seeing her, which I think is a really good sign.” THAT’S HOW I THINK.”

Hang in on this one till the 2nd half, you’ll get to see Tyler cry lol:

Again it’s all super edgelordy to you and I’m sure it’s totally true, I don’t doubt it at all, but it doesn’t matter. This kind of stuff is common as fuck. Like, the community you’re entering (Red Pill in general) is a community of guys who have found these resources because they’ve been so depressed and dissatisfied with their lives and felt like such victims of the world (often ENTIRELY justified, like they really ARE victims of a shitty childhood and shitty depression etc) that they searched out these corners of the internet for help.

You could share your most fucked up darkest thoughts in these communities and there’s probably at least a few guys who can raise their hand and say “ya man, I’ve thought/done that exact same thing at some point๐Ÿ˜ฆ ”

Here’s one of my favorite brutally honest articles by a guy about what being “involuntarily celibate” (aka lonely) was like, from the depression and anger to the suicidal thoughts etc, you’ll probably relate to parts of this:

https://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/

But you can turn it around. Pop some meds if you have to for now, that’s fine, do whatever you gotta, when you’re ready to tackle your own personal self-development and rewiring your internal thought loops and shit, there are TONS of resources we can all hook you up with (Tyler talking about depression and negativity and positivity and happiness is usually pretty quality because he was pretty fucked up till he got into pickup and went through some child abuse etc and had to (and still HAS to) actively work on rewiring that).

Understand this though:

This chick doesn’t WANT you to turn things around and come out of your depression and realize you have value/worth. Because if you turned it around, you would look for women who aren’t fucked up like her because you would want to AVOID women like her, and then she wouldn’t have a way to keep you around and then she would lose you when she’s a 30yo woman about to hit the wall looking to lock down a provider she can manipulate and then divorce/cheat on down the road if he tries to lay down some authority after she’s gotten the baby she wanted, which is the reason she’s pushing so hard for commitment. You are up against her hindbrain’s biological drives, the same drives that cause people to do INSANE UNREAL shit to successfully survive/reproduce. You are not going to win because you don’t have enough experience, ESPECIALLY compared to a 30+yo chick who’s already running circles around you and has other dudes over and convinces you that’s your fault for not doing what she wants.

She WANTS you to stay fucked up. It’s in her best interest on MANY levels for you to stay fucked up…and for you to stay fucked up, SHE has to stay fucked up, so that you can both keep feeding into that fucked up bond that you’ve romanticized (and she’s romanticized, and society romanticizes). In fact she will, over time, INCREASE how fucked up she is, because that helps you fuck yourself up more, which increases your bond over “we’re both fucked up, it’s us against the world”. It’s a classic PUA “Us VS Them” frame, no one understands us, we’re the two misfits, us against the world baby you and me no one else would want us we’re too fucked up but we GET eachother! It’s such a cliche trope that it’s in movies and TV and books and shit all over the place…and it’s AWESOME to watch on the big screen, but living it doesn’t result in a Hollywood happy ending.

There are girls who will want to help you (though they won’t be able to), and there are girls who aren’t fucked up (and will inspire you to be better). They’re not going to be perfect unicorns, just like a Wendy’s burger isn’t going to taste like a steak dinner…but they’re going to be better than rooting through the garbage behind McDonald’s and convincing yourself that that’s the best you deserve lol


YaReally
on April 14th, 2016 at 8:34 pm
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@Softek
This is also why Soft Nexts work…when you go ghost on her for bad behavior, you teach her that when she brings you drama, you walk out and she loses your attention for a week or whatever. If you do that consistently, eventually she stops with the bad behavior because it’s not getting her what she wants and she feels enough fear of loss to tone it down.

When you move in together, or have kids, or get legally married, or commit to her and stop seeing other girls and stop hanging with your buddies and having your own social life where you can bail on her etc, you remove the ability to walk away which means you can no longer easily ghost on her when she brings you drama, which means she starts testing you with drama to see what you’ll do and, because you’ve handicapped yourself, you likely fail those shit-tests and engage her drama and the drama goes back up because now you’re teaching her that giving you drama is the way to get you to react to her, and reacting to her means she has emotional relevance to you (the opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference)

What you’ve been doing is rewarding her bad behavior with your attention, teaching her that that’s the way to get and keep you…she won’t “fix the problem” or go see a therapist or get counselling because what she’s doing WORKS and is getting her what she WANTS…why WOULD she change that??

You are not equipped or experienced enough yet, and don’t have a ZFG attitude about sex/love/feeling another human being touching you and wanting you, or the internal self-worth etc yet, or the skills with approaching women etc to be able to consistently ghost on her and hold your ground and walk away from her long-term

And she understands that, that’s why she’s pushing hard NOW, before you wise up and really DO walk away. That’s why she keeps you from engaging with other girls let alone forming social circles with girls where you might get laid that way even without actively sarging. She doesn’t WANT you to develop the things that would allow you to walk away from her because then she loses her chance to have a beta provider she can cheat on once she locks you down with kids/legalities, just like she cheated on her last boyfriend with you.


YaReally
on April 14th, 2016 at 9:13 pm
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@Softek
“That’s been another point of conflict for me. I’ve felt for a long time that the psychiatrist I’ve had hasn’t been particularly helpful, and even at some times abusive (said ‘memories are of impressions, not facts’ when I brought up being emotionally, physically and verbally abused growing up and that was basically the last mention of that ever). Like it’s taking issues I have and making them worse. ”

Ditch this person. Hit up any red pill community for better advice/therapy, even on the being abused by your dad etc stuff. You can’t even really open up to this person ANYWAY so they’re useless at best and a detriment to your life at worst.

A big part of Blue Pill FI conditioning is keeping you confused and second-guessing yourself. They aren’t necessarily doing this on purpose maliciously, it’s just the frame that BP people have, where you are ultimately to blame for everything and the things you want to blame on other people are imaginary. You KNOW what your dad did, you KNOW what your girl has done, you aren’t stupid or imagining things.

The thing is there ARE elements that ARE your fault, and we’ll fill you in on them, like ya you SHOULD learn to have and establish boundaries and we can hand you resources to help with that like this:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871

But there are a lot of things that are NOT your fault. Or that, in the future when you have more experience and you’ve rewired your internals, you’ll be able to handle/prevent/minimize. But you won’t get there by surrounding yourself with people who are giving you attention rather than support and don’t have your best interests at heart.

Just like how your girl doesn’t want you to fix yourself, if you fixed yourself, you wouldn’t have a reason to go see this psychiatrist anymore. You KNOW there’s shit that’s wrong in your life, and you already KNOW the reasons for a lot of it ’cause you’re not an oblivious guy…you’re just looking for confirmation because you don’t trust your own judgement yet, and you’re not going to get confirmation from people who don’t want you to be fixed or simply aren’t equipped TO help fix you (like a therapist that learns their trade through a Blue Pill lens).

You can always go BACK to them down the road if you aren’t able to find the answers you need by writing in communities like this, but try throwing yourself into this ’cause you are going to get advice and observations that make WAY more sense and align WAY more with your gut instincts here than anywhere else.


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@Softek
“Dealing with this shit now. I’m not responding, but getting the usual “Fuck you” “You obviously don’t care about me””

The funny part is, if you can successfully ignore her for a week or two, you’ll see her flip through her rolodex of approaches to get you to react just like walawala’s chick did (again check my archives for “rolodex walawala”).

Usually it goes something like “you don’t care about me” (you ignore for a bit) “fine fuck you then” (you ignore for a few days) “i hate that we fight so much๐Ÿ˜ฆ I just want us to be like we were before” (you keep ignoring) “fine I can see you don’t care anymore, and probably never did. I didn’t realize our relationship meant nothing to you, stupid me believing in fairy tales” (ignore her some more) “I thought you were different from other guys but I guess I was wrong” (keep ignoring) “fine this is my last txt then don’t worry I won’t bother you or ruin your life anymore since I know you hate me now” (a month later) “(funny meme image of an in-joke you two had)” (more ignoring her) “i miss you :(”

Notice the pattern of pendulum swings, it’ll usually be something where she’s blaming you, then something where she’s taking the blame, then something where she’s being sweet, then something where she’s aggressive and pushing you away, then trying to pull you in, then trying to get you to laugh, then trying to tug on your sentimental strings, then trying to threaten/embarrass/scare you, then trying to piss you off, then trying to be sweet again, etc etc

It goes all over the map as she hits every extreme she can think of, trying to get a reaction out of you because as I told walawala “any reaction is a good reaction” to her, just like in marketing any press is good press, even negative press.

That’s why most guys can’t hold strong on a ghosting, especially without having a fuckbuddy or dude-friends they can go out to bars with…because eventually the girl hits some trigger for the guy especially when he’s at a low point and that gets him to react and BOOM, she knows she still has him hooked and it starts all over again. She promises she’ll make things better and work on herself and never wants to fight again ever ever ever we’re so perfect together I miss you so much baby.

And then a month goes by and it’s the same ol’ shit…why? BECAUSE IT KEEPS WORKING AND GETTING THE GUY BACK lol why WOULD she change it up, he’s feeding her his blueprint: abuse me and I’ll let you be in my life

@Softek and @all cuz there’s game lessons in this next bit:

The other pattern you’ll notice is that almost everything she says will come with an exaggeration of your position, your mindset, your behavior, the implications of your behavior, your behavior’s effect on her, etc, in a negative fashion that makes you want to defend yourself.

This is classic Trolling 101 in online debates. Person 1 says “I think Mike Tyson is alpha in this interview” Person 2 says “He’s a rapist, I can’t believe you support rape” That’s not what Person 1 ACTUALLY said. But now that Person 2 has made this exaggerated claim of Person 1’s position, Person 1 HAS to correct him, because it eats away at our soul like an itch we can’t scratch when people have the wrong impression of us. So Person 1 ends up HAVING to respond to scratch that itch and then he either exaggerates Person 2’s position IN his response or Person 2 exaggerates his position AGAIN or makes wrong assumptions in some other way, and Person 1 can’t let it go and has to follow the troll down the rabbit hole.

You can see this pattern when the women comment here and we get an entire page of guys reacting to them, the girls never actually change their position or learn anything, or even CARE to. They just keep misrepresenting and misinterpreting things and spouting stuff they know will force the guys to react and everyone reacts because they’re too busy trying to talk dirty to the fangirls here instead of out sarging real live women.

This dynamic is why people will qualify themselves to the most retarded shit if you disqualify them…that girl KNOWS she’s not a bitch but if I say “I don’t know, you came off as kind of a bitch when we first met” she will do everything in her power to convince me that she’s NOT a bitch even if she logically KNOWS she was sweet as sugar when I first met her…it doesn’t matter, I have the wrong impression of her and she NEEDS to fix it.

For the guys who’ve watched Julien’s PIMP stuff about “stacking devalidations”, this is what Julien is doing to hook girls hard, he devalidates them with a “wrong impression” and then cuts/changes threads before they can defend themselves and loops that sequence causing MASSIVE desire in the girl to grab him by the shirt and say “shut up for ONE second, you TOTALLY have the wrong impression of me!!!!” and try to qualify herself on all that shit he’s stacked (at which point he turns it around with something like “you don’t have to try so hard to impress me I already like you I actually think you’re cool now” and she’s relieved that he now has the “right” impression of her)).

So you’ll notice she says stuff and declares your position in exaggerated ways, because she’s trying to trigger that itch-scratching from you, because that gets you to react to her. Even when she’s sweet it will often be something like “it’s okay, I understand it was my fault, I shouldn’t have acted like that, I’m sorry I ruined your life”. Instinctively, your white knight complex makes you want to go “you didn’t RUIN my life babe” and minimizes her previous actions.

Or something like “babe I just wish we could make up…I miss how we used to be…we were so perfect, not like now where you hate me” Again your brain will want to go “babe I don’t HATE you okay? I just bla bla” and again, she’s off the hook and you’re being sucked into reacting and into a frame where you’re minimizing her actions and the damage they do and even apologizing to HER.

Like one that would get you to apologize to her would be where she acts like you were BOTH in the wrong even though you weren’t. “babe I hate when we fight like this…we’re so perfect together, why do we always do this to eachother? I’m so sorry this happened… :(” which makes you instinctively want to reply “I’m sorry too :(” and now you’re taking the blame and apologizing when you’re COMPLETELY IN THE RIGHT.

This last one is made even easier when guys the Professor Frinks around here give you reasons to think that maybe it IS your fault and her behavior IS normal and if you were just more badass you could tame her into 3somes lol

Because your brain doesn’t WANT to hurt her. Because you are, inherently, a GOOD DUDE. Despite whatever your upbringing was, in general you’re a nice guy who doesn’t want to hurt people you care about. Your brain WANTS to make things all better. But your brain doesn’t understand (because it’s new to all of this) that she doesn’t WANT things to be better. THIS is her. This isn’t “her when she’s mad” or “her when she’s hurt”. This is HER. She can cover up these behaviors to string you along until you’re more committed to her and it’s harder for you to leave (living with her, legally married, baby, cut off from your support network/friends, etc), but she’s showing you her blueprint right now.

Women show you who they REALLY are when they don’t get their way. Pay attention to that, because that’s the version of them that will come out when they get comfortable down the road or there’s conflict with them getting their way down the road. I had a buddy who thought he found a unicorn, spent 7 years with her, happy as a clam…while they were on the same path. When their goals in life conflicted, she brought out crazy that he had no idea she was capable of to try to get him to do what she wanted (which would have had a MASSIVELY negative outcome for him, to follow her path). He had no idea she was capable of that and used to make fun of crazy girls I tell him about, but it’s because they never had a situation where their goals were at odds like you’re currently having.

Part of why I’m a bit of a dick to my regular girls at first is to see how they’ll react when they don’t get their way. Some of them go bat-shit or do stuff like your 1200 buddy where they try to make me jealous or hurt me etc. Some of them are cool about it. Guess which ones I keep around long-term lol

There’s no unicorn out there, but there are girls that are MUCH cooler than your girl and will have a MUCH better net-effect on your life.

@Softek
“In the past I’ve stayed up plenty of times till 2 or 3 in the morning going over this shit with her.”

Ya, it’s your attention that matters to her, not what you guys are talking about. She’s not looking to resolve or fix or solve anything or see your view or even get you to see her view, it’s the fact that you’re sacrificing part of your well-being (your sleep, your work, staying in to fight with her when you had plans to go out with a buddy, etc) for her…because you wouldn’t do that if she didn’t have emotional relevance to you. The very act of engaging in those conversations tells her you still need her. If a fat ugly 3/10 was txting you that shit you would be like “whatevs fatty” and turn off your phone and go to sleep lol

“And as YaReally said, she doesn’t WANT to get better, because it works. Even if this is completely subconscious, the fact remains. It’s a behavior that’s getting her results and as long as it continues, she’s going to keep doing it.”

Right. She’s not necessarily doing it consciously, this is just how people work and her goals in terms of survival/replication are to secure a guy who will give her a baby and ideally take care of it long-term. You are perfect for that because you NEED her and are easy to manipulate even if it’s subconscious on her part. She’s like the Joker…she’s a dog chasing a car, she wouldn’t know what to do with it if she caught it. It’s the chaos that she loves because the chaos keeps you on the hook and if she can keep you on the hook long enough to where you’re too invested to leave her, then her hindbrain fulfills its biological goals.

You do TOO, that’s why it’s so hard to pull away. If you get her preggers, you replicate and can raise a kid with her. So your hindbrain WANTS you to stay with her and fuck her. Your brain doesn’t care if you’re HAPPY, your brain doesn’t care if that kid has a fucked up baby mama who does this SAME STUFF to HIM (think about THAT…how will she act when little Johnny doesn’t do what she says? Esp if she’s bailed on you with one of her AMAZING FRIENDS SHE ISN’T ATTRACTED TO BUT TALKS SHIT ABOUT YOU TO (who happen to all have penises) the same way she bailed on her boyfriend for you (guess how she probably would’ve described you to HIM lol)).

Your brain just wants to achieve it’s goal of reproducing and she’s offering that. And society just wants you to achieve that goal too, it doesn’t care if you’re happy, society just cares that you hitch up, get legally married, pop out some kids, and keep contributing to society and providing for a girl and raising kids to follow the same pattern. Society doesn’t care if you’re HAPPY when you do that. You are just a tool to be used by other people to achieve their goals…you’re not SUPPOSED to have your own goals. A hammer hits the nails it’s swung at, it doesn’t jump out of the toolbox and go do what it wants lol And when it stops hammering the nails that it’s supposed to hammer, it’s “broken” and society discards it.

“Did all those late night conversations help allay her fears? Ease her insecurities? No, because that’s not the point, and it never was the point.”

See? You’re a smart dude. You’re picking up this stuff a LOT faster than most guys do.


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YaReally
on April 10th, 2016 at 9:03 am
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@ludiamondz on @Softek
“He’s simply not ready to be in a long term relationship, not until boundaries are much more solid.”

Reality is he’s not going to dump sex and go back to voluntarily being single because of what we say here, there’s no logic that’s going to convince a guy in this situation:

“That combined with the fear of catastrophic loss — losing the only constant relationship I’ve ever had in my entire life and fearing that I won’t ever be able to find another one. I never had one before this, and I was in my mid 20’s when this started, so the fear is feeling very real to me.”

to just toss her away, especially without other girls lined up to replace her. It’s not even entirely about HER or the SEX, it’s about him having a shitload of painbodies attached to being alone and uncertain about being able to find another girl etc

Hate to say it but generally in these situations the guy is going to have to get burned first-hand to learn the lessons he needs to learn from this. And then he’ll go through a HORRIBLE “missing her” stage where he’s not getting laid AND regretting breaking up and drunk txting her and probably ending up back together with her again for a few more months or another year before it goes to shit AGAIN and he’s finally forced to be single and find his footing again and slowly build his way up to meeting new girls and down the road everything will work out fine and he’ll meet some amazing chicks that make him go “wtf was I thinking staying with that stupid girl who made me feel guilty/shameful around her 24/7???” and he’ll lol at what I’m writing here.

But right now most dudes need to get burned their first few times. It’s classic PUA process, we literally make fun of it because it’s so common…a guy goes from no pussy to learning how to get pussy and he settles with the first decent sane cute girl he starts seeing and gives up the game entirely and vanishes, but he hasn’t handled all the shit that’s fucked up inside him so he doesn’t have/establish/enforce boundaries and doesn’t really know himself or what he wants or what he can get in life etc etc and he comes back after a terrible breakup with that girl except he’s learned “okay I need more experience with women in GENERAL before I can make that LTR shit work in a way that I’m happy and not getting guilted/shamed and screen for a girl who’s not so blatantly manipulative and know how to hold my frame better etc”

Dude is going to get burned and he’s going to get burned hard, his LTR has been over for a while because they’re on different paths and his brain just doesn’t want to accept it, which is TOTALLY NORMAL given his situation/history and almost ALL guys go through this stage, and it could go on for another year or two, maybe 3 even.

Our job as his support group is to make sure that WHEN he gets burned, the damage is minimal. ie – no pregnancy on the way or child with her, no assets tied up with her, help encouraging him to make male-friends that want to go out for a beer or whatever, help encourage him to sarge as much as he can so he can feel like he has options when he breaks up, help put the right mindsets in him to understand WHY his girl is doing what she’s doing and WHY he’s feeling what he’s feeling so that he can understand what’s going on and feel like he has some control instead of feeling helpless like a leaf blowing around in the wind, etc

Even his venting his thoughts on the situation is important, because his situation feels unique to him but it’s VERY COMMON and MANY guys lurking and looking for answers from the red pill will read what he’s writing and be able to relate to it and when Softek is eventually out of this mess and on track with his life and kicking ass, they’ll say “well if he can do it maybe I can do it” just like with scray’s journey or walawala’s BPD adventures or scribblerg’s old man taking control of his life process etc

Tyler on “Crawling out of Neediness when First Dating”, lot of good lessons in here, might be some useful shit for ya Softek but I recommend everyone read it…no one is immune to catching one-itis even if we’re aware of it:


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YaReally
on April 10th, 2016 at 2:45 pm
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@bluepillprofessor
“However, if you inconvenience women in even the slightest way? THAT is the spur for social change.”

This. It’ll be fascinating to see what happens when women are on the frontlines in war and gay/lesbian marriages go through divorce rapes etc. Even recently there was that sad-ass piece about how unfair alimony is and how it MUST be fixed, because some rich chicks had to pay it…meanwhile no one gives a shit at how many low-value dudes (or high-value even) are going through hell paying alimony.

Once stuff affects women, society will fix it (at least for THEM, but often it’ll be across the board). Some MRAs will get butthurt about that, but that’s just how it works. Accept it and think about ways to push those situations to the foreground faster…ride those coattails to the finish line, whatever it takes to save men.

“When millions of spinsters are furiously lonely and raging at the pump and dumps”

This alone will be fascinating. We won’t be alive to see the full pendulum swing back to voluntary traditional gender roles (search my archives for “yareally reversion theory”), that’ll be a couple generations away. But we WILL be alive to see all these strong independent womyn hit the wall as a generation while simultaneously watching masses of high-value men absorbing and executing red pill knowledge (aka don’t get married), and the fallout of that is going to be fasinating to watch. Like the end of Fight Club when they watch the buildings crumble. There will be a massive push to force men to commit, and it’s most likely going to be with punishment for not committing VS reward for committing.

Until some clever girls figure out the secret to getting a high-value man is to stay looking hot, put out regularly, cook, clean, and be in your prime instead of looking for them after you’ve rode the carousel and hit the wall…then the Reversion Theory starts.

@ludiamondz
“in a way this is me yelling back at my past self lol. So be it. I’m done with my preaching.”

lol ya, I’m not saying don’t help him, and part of why we’re all so passionate about it is we WERE him or have friends who were him, and he needs the support and advice because he’ll be in these situations in the future and so will/are lurkers who benefit from the advice.

But do it in the same way you argue with a girl: don’t expect an outcome or to win with logic, and don’t be disappointed if that doesn’t happen. Focus on educating him and helping lead him towards minimizing the nearly inevitable damage.

@Sun Wukong
“The thing about bottom-up change (which really is what TRP is about to me) though is that while its slow, it also tends to be much longer lasting than top-down change.”

Yup. Now that I understand all the dynamics behind monogamy and marriage laws etc, you couldn’t possibly convince me to get married or encourage other men/boys to. But if you just made some top-down rule, any leftover blue pill programming in me would fight that rule.

I have a girl right now trying to guilt me into monogamy with her but it just won’t happen. She’s an amazing girl, I like her a lot, but none of that changes the logic and facts that I understand about how the red pill works and how I know our relationship would be affected if I caved.

Education is the best medicine.


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Can’t force guys to take the red pill. The first thing EVERYONE does when they find PUA and get some success is tell their buddies because they want their buddies to get laid too and they think “why would any guy NOT want to know this stuff and get laid????” And then they find out you can’t force guys to take the red pill. Guys have to seek it out on their own, and they have to be at rock bottom when they do. A guy who isn’t at rock bottom will dabble and then go back to his old patterns and keep a lot of his old mindsets.

Direct VS Indirect is retarded. Here’s Tyler on making both work, it’s about your subcomms not what you say/do:

My “indirect” isn’t “HEY?? Excuse ME?? Could I ask you a QUESTION?? MAYBE?? Thankyou!!!!๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™‚ (dance around doing jazz hands and high-fives)” It’s low-energy breaking rapport tonality, deadpan facial expression etc like I’m in the middle of a thought/conversation “Hey hold up, what do you think about bla bla? Hmm. Really. No, you seem like the type that would say that. Hm? No, don’t worry about it–that’s weird, what is THIS thing, why do you have that. Hmmm, I can tell we’re not going to get along. Girls who (whatever she just said) always hate me. We probably shouldn’t be talking.” All low energy and breaking rapport tonality and just assertive in what I’m saying as I’m doing push/pull and disqualifying her and making her chase my approval.

Guys who go on and on about how direct is better than indirect or indirect is better than direct are simply revealing:

1) that they don’t have enough experience with the other style to understand the time/place to use it and the pros/cons of it, they have a biased perspective because they have limited experience because anyone who IS able to make both styles work (like Tyler in that video) KNOWS that both styles are fine and there’s a bunch of subcomms and shit that make the REAL difference

2) that they don’t push themselves infield enough because if they DID push themselves they would HAVE experience with the other style. And for them it’s true, direct WILL be better than indirect or vice-versa, because they have a myopic focus on one so they get better at it and it becomes their comfort zone

and 3) that they probably aren’t doing the opposite style RIGHT…the direct guys running indirect hide way too much of their intention and don’t know how to make it work, and the indirect guys running direct throw out all their calibration and just bull in a china shop it, and half of the rabid HATE they have for the other style is because of all their shitty painbodies attached to it from when they were running it improperly. So some guy learns asexual indirect game and doesn’t get great results with it because he’s doing it wrong, then he goes and learns direct game and is like WOW INDIRECT SUCKS THERE’S NO SEXUAL INTENT. No YOU had no intent because you didn’t really understand that indirect game is about screening her and making her chase you, not about hiding your intentions and running around thinking “I’m low value I’m low value”. Indirect is about “I’m high value, my time is limited, are you WORTH my time? Sure you’re pretty, but all these other girls are pretty too, why should I spend my time/energy on you?” That’s a HIGH VALUE MINDSET.

EVERY indirect guy who talks about why direct sucks explains it with this cartoon character overly macho bravado douchebag example of direct that isn’t how direct actually looks in person, and EVERY direct guy who talks about why indirect sucks explains it with this cartoon character asexual sneaky weasel example of indirect that isn’t how indirect actually looks in person.

I love James Marshall, I think he’s the best representation of low-energy game out there for the guys who don’t have high-energy and are worried you have to do crazy spin-high-fives and shit to do PUA, but look at this shit:

He hits every note I’m talking about and you’ll notice most of these are the same notes Feminists/anti-game guys use when they diss game as a whole: “Indirect game is about thinking you’re low-value”. No, it’s not, maybe YOU thought that way when YOU were doing indirect because you either interpreted shit wrong or had a shitty teacher or interpreted a good teacher’s teachings wrong. It’s about viewing yourself as so high-value that you don’t just give away your attention for free, the girl has to EARN it and show that she DESERVES a place in your life because you have abundance and other shit going on and aren’t sure about her yet because all she’s done to earn your validation is look pretty. This is that cartoon character shit.

Then he goes into how students who know indirect are impossible to teach direct (and mentions RSD even, because hey, let’s turn guys away from resources that might help them out…meanwhile you’ll NEVER hear RSD tell anyone to not check out James’ stuff or any resource that could help them and will encourage guys to learn both styles so they understand the pros and cons of both). “Arrogance, twisted beliefs, indirect guys think girls don’t like them” bla bla Standard cartoon character shit. “Women don’t want you to pretend you’re not interested in them, that’s confusing to them”. Well we wouldn’t want to keep a girl guessing whether she has you or not. Then he describes another cartoon character of a guy who pretends to have no dick. Meanwhile you can go out and talk to a girl’s friends and SEE her getting jealous and vying for your attention when you ignore her.

And then of course he throws in “if she’s like this ditzy club girl who’s kind of really suseptible to emotionally being jerked around but personally I’m not interested in THOSE women. I’m interested in a woman who can SEE THROUGH those petty games for what they really are, which most women CAN, they’re so perceptive bla bla bla” because GAME ONLY WORKS ON THOSE DRUNK BAR SLUTS WITH LOW SELF ESTEEM, and then describes how indirect guys can’t handle shit-tests, one poke and the guy falls apart. Make sure you sign up for MY seminar and give ME your money, I’LL teach you the TRUE WAY, don’t look at those OTHER resources that could help you, you’re too stupid and THOSE guys are all scamming you.

I hate this lying shit. It fucks guys up way worse than learning indirect or direct ever would because it puts boundaries around them infield and in their learning, they’ll ignore something like Mystery Method because “oh it’s that INDIRECT STUFF” (meanwhile in reality Mystery Method is only indirect until she’s EARNED your interest, which if that happens right away it looks just like direct game).

That’s why I don’t say “Krauser’s game sucks, don’t look at it”, I say “what he does is good for what he’s doing, it’s just limited in that it doesn’t teach guys to deal with a wider variety of scenarios and wouldn’t hold up well in certain environments is all and newbies should understand that they’re only learning parts of a wider skillset” And it’s why I don’t say “scribblerg you better go use indirect/direct, that’s the way to do it!!”

Scray found out that direct game is super congruent to him, and that’s awesome. And everyone SHOULD experiment with going hardcore direct for a while (do it smart, open, qualify her and if she qualifies herself to you (aka an ioi, aka you have attraction), pull the trigger and go for the kiss off that ioi…that’s going to be your highest success rate, though you CAN just randomly kiss every girl you say hello to, you’ll just be less calibrated and end up with more hit or miss, but even then try just staying in set and brushing it off with a lol like it’s no big deal and run game and most of the time she’ll accept your frame of “that was no big deal” and be attracted).

That said, some guys will find that indirect is more congruent to them (like a 50+yo or ugly guy who, when forcing a girl to immediately decide “do you want to make out with me” off the approach, finds that girls choose “no”, may find it more consistently successful to DHV in front of her before escalating…not because he’s viewing himself as “lower value” like Marshall cartoon characterizes, but because he knows “I don’t look 25 anymore and forcing her to make an instant decision forces her to decide based mainly on my looks and a split second of subcomms, why not take a minute to shake a bartender’s hand and make her friend laugh and then tease her to trigger her seeking my validation before I engage her directly).

Anyone, student or instructor, who CAN’T list the pros and cons and nuances of both styles of game and what situations that one style might have a higher success % than another is a guy who’s selling a product and has investment in that style, or has limited experience with making the opposite style work, and their opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.

Indirect isn’t about hiding the fact that you have a fucking dick, it’s about not rewarding the girl with your interest just for having a pussy like every other girl. And direct game isn’t about dickslapping her across the face with bravado, it’s about showing sexual intent and screening fast.

The whole debate is retarded. There are pros and cons to both styles and they both come down to your subcomms and congruency. Quit mentally masturbating over this shit and go out more and spend a year doing both styles until you can consistently get the same level of attraction from girls off BOTH styles. Until then your opinion on which is better is either biased or inexperienced and should be disregarded.

Here’s Todd on indirect VS direct (and congruent/decisiveness):

Again notice how Todd from RSD, the guys Marshall scoffed at and turned an entire room full of students and anyone watching the YouTube video off of seeking advice/help from with his snide little jab at them, stresses that again it doesn’t MATTER which you do as long as you’re decisive and committed to it instead of waffling in the middle and talks about how switching from direct to indirect or indirect to direct is incongruent and fucks it up. What Marshall is describing (and Currie and most direct guys) is a cartoon character version of shitty indirect game.

@Megawit
“Perhaps I’m just lucky that I haven’t truly encountered this.”

A guy who was VERY FUCKING LUCKY (and you should appreciate how lucky you were) to have a Red Pill father who flat out taught him Red Pill mindsets, is a guy who’s not likely going to encounter a lot of this stuff (and when you see it you write it off as those girls are crazy, VS realizing your girls are crazy too but your RP mindsets keep them from displaying it with you). But most of the guys coming to these communities have been burned hard, and seen their friends burned hard, because none of them had Red Pill mindsets through their lives. It’s great that you had a leg up on everyone, but understand that your experience is not the norm, especially these days in this Eat Pray Love no-consequences-for-bad-behavior for women culture.

@all
ok enough of that shit, here’s a video for everyone who’s actively sarging. If you don’t have problems with relying on alcohol, at LEAST watch the first 5 minutes of bootcamp infield footage where Madison is helping this guy deal with his Approach Anxiety and getting him to unstifle…Understand that THIS IS STUFF YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR WING. Or by YOURSELF:

You can force yourself to loosen up on a solo night out by making an effort to express yourself even if you’re just talking to yourself or singing in the shower before heading out. Tim from RSD used to shout “WOO!!!!” and clap his hands as he walked into a nightclub to jolt his brain out of being stifled and into being expressive (teaching his brain “nothing bad will happen if you’re loud and expressive”) and putting himself in a positive mood. BradP has the Social Freedom Exercises that are all about forcing yourself to break social norms to teach your brain there’s no consequence. This is the kind of stuff that helps keep the environment from overwhelming you and can make the difference between a shitty night and an epic night.

But as you can see with Madison’s student, it doesn’t just HAPPEN. His student’s brain wants to stay stifled because it’s comfortable and that’s the state that it’s in. His student’s brain fights and resists doing the exercise at first and all the stuff Madison says before the exercise is going in one ear and out the other, rejected by his brain. But 30 seconds of forcing himself to fight his brain, the student starts getting unstifled and more relaxed (because he’s drawn attention to himself with no negative consequences so his brain is like ok cool it’s safe to be expressive then). Eventually you want to get to the point where you feel comfortable expressing yourself anywhere you are, but realistically that’s hard for an introvert who works a quiet desk job staring at a computer all day with anti-social co-workers (or working from home etc). So these things can help that guy when sarging time rolls around.

And the thing that anyone who’s had an epic night finds is that when they get home they couldn’t do work if they TRIED because their brain is unstifled and WANTS to stay unstifled and in the moment expressing, because your brain wants to stay in the state it’s currently in. If I go out from Wednesday to Sunday, I have trouble sitting down to work on Monday because my brain is like “MORE FUN LET’S GET UP AND WALK AROUND LET’S GO TALK TO PEOPLE AHHHHH!!!!” when on Wednesday before I went out and maybe I haven’t been out in a week, my brain was 100% stifled from work.


YaReally
on April 7th, 2016 at 7:09 am
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@Andy
If that’s you in your profile pic take that shit down ASAP.

A direct compliment is great, but there are a LOT of situations where that direct compliment is going to trigger ASD or get her group’s defenses up or get orbiters and mother hens cockblocking or she’s already full of herself and you’re the 10th guy that night to compliment her like that or you’re externally low-value by society’s standards (short, fat, old, not masculine looking, dressed poor, etc) and your value isn’t on display when you approach etc etc

You’ll notice a lot of the guys who pitch full direct game are guys that are decent looking (so they’re DHV’ing passively by default via society’s value system) and are running solo sets or sets with minimal cockblocking/obstacles, often in the daytime where bitch-shields are low etc That doesn’t mean that’s the only situation it works in, obviously, but like, a newbie should be aware of these nuances where a less direct approach is going to give them an opportunity to DEMONSTRATE their value to the girl.

It’s not that they don’t HAVE value, or indirect guys think they don’t have value, and that they assume the girl won’t like them…they just know that “my value isn’t surface level external value, so give me 10 minutes to talk away my face and I’ll bed the queen of france” and all that. I am a generic looking dude, probably a 6 if you look at me objectively in photos etc (VS when I’m on fire in a club tearing it up, and then girls think I’m a 10 lol), especially compared to guys off the MISC forums or some of these PUAs who dress super stylish and shit. So I KNOW when I go up to a girl she’s not picturing ME as her dream approach, like wow I hope THAT guy approaches me. She’s not fantasizing about a guy that looks like me lol But I know I have MASSIVE value, way more value than any other guy as far as I’m concerned, so I just know that I need a minute to demonstrate that and then she’s going to LOVE me despite my objective external value.

There’s no point where I’m approaching indirect going “I’m a loser, I hope she doesn’t realize I like her because she’ll reject me”, the entire time it’s “I’m awesome, but I don’t wear that on my sleeve and I don’t even know if she’s WORTH my time yet, so I’m going to go up and amuse myself as I test her a bit to see if I like her, and the act of testing her gives her time to realize how high-value I am and if she EARNS my interest, I’ll let her be a part of my night”.

Essentially the guys harping on how direct is better than indirect and indirect is being asexual and showing no intentions are the same as guys who think you HAVE to swing fists to show you’re a badass tough guy and intimidate people…like they’ve never run across that Mafia Don type guy who hasn’t done anything violent and maybe even has a smile on his face but you just KNOW you do NOT fuck with him because he’s giving off the subcomms of a guy you don’t fuck with, even if he isn’t wearing it on his sleeve or threatening you directly.

That said, direct has its place, and it’s a totally valid way of approaching things. Ideally a guy should be able to do both without these retarded biases.

@ace
“Women have always been this way”

The difference is that men didn’t KNOW. And a lot of it was shamed. Divorce was shameful, cheating was shameful, etc. But now we have a YOLO Eat Pray Love You Go GRRL culture celebrating bad behavior and men can finally compare notes with eachother like “wait, you mean YOUR wife stopped putting out TOO?” “you mean YOU were falsely accused of shit TOO??” etc etc

@Sentient
“Heh – a good – waaaayyyy indirect you could say – opener is “I’m not hitting on you [hands up in the no position], I’m married (GF etc.)”

You’re semi-joking but really you SHOULD be able to go SO indirect that you can actively disqualify yourself and reject the girl completely, and have her still chasing you down for your dick. Like you should be able to get girls attracted enough that you’re telling THEM “no” and THEY’RE trying to convince YOU to fuck them. THAT’S when you understand indirect game.

What most guys trying indirect game do is they start out indirect then try to shift into direct awkwardly. You can do that smoothly and gradually if you qualify her so it makes sense that you’re switching (ie – “you know at first I thought you were kind of a bitch but now that you told me about how you’re into such and such, you actually seem kind of cool…” or more dramatically “hmm, I thought you were a tomboy but in THIS outfit? Damn…(look her up and down like a piece of meat and get physical)” etc, but the point is that it makes SENSE that she’s “won” you over from indifference).

But what most guys doing indirect wrong do is they forget the qualifying part so they talk about the weather and shit and then jump into trying to be direct and it’s all uncalibrated and weird, or they get stuck talking about the weather because no one taught them how to show intent through their subcommunications (which makes it more weird how Marshall shits on indirect game when his buddy Liam has put out what’s basically the definitive seminar on showing direct sexual intent through your subcomms (the Rapid Escalation video I always link)).


YaReally
on April 7th, 2016 at 11:53 am
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“the only PROBLEM is that a lot of guys like to equate indirect with NOT PULLING THE TRIGGER.”

Right, the key is that with indirect I’m NOT pulling the trigger because I haven’t decided that I WANT her yet, she still has work to do to EARN me, VS not pulling the trigger because I’m SCARED to. There’s a HUGE difference in your subcomms when you’re screening/qualifying her VS when you’re hiding your intent. I’m not engaging her to try to get her, although I’m totally open to it and she can tell that from my subcomms, I’m engaging her to see if I WANT her.

It’s like the RSD Best Buy analogy: You want to buy a new TV set so you head to Best Buy to do some shopping. You walk in with money in your pocket, but you don’t just pick the first TV you see and go “OMG SELL ME THIS!!!” You check it out, ask the guy about its features, compare it to another TV beside it, maybe throw a movie on to check the quality etc You’re not “scared” to buy it, you just haven’t screened/qualified it to decide if it’s worth your money and you HAVE a few TVs at home already so you don’t REALLY need it.

That’s a VERY different frame than what most guys think indirect is, which is walking into a Best Buy with no money in your pocket and hoping to trick the guy in there into helping get the TV near the door so you can steal it and run away before they catch you lol

The problem with a lot of oldschool PUAs who now hate on indirect game is they learned indirect back when we didn’t have good examples of what indirect with sexualit looks like (better teaching method, better analogies/descriptions/exercises, better infield, etc), so they have all these painbodies of remembering going up and hiding their intent. Now we have the resources where you can see “oh, he’s being indirect but she’s still turned on because of his subcomms”.

Personally I prefer the girl choosing/chasing me, but that’s because I’m lazy. I don’t view socializing with her group or shaking a bartender’s hand beside her or merging a set forward as work because I know when I have her chasing me she’s going to make up for that in spades (less likely to flake, more likely to initiate texts/dates/hookups, more likely to be trying to impress me which means less having to impress her, less LMR/ASD/BR, etc) because she’s viewing me as a prize to “catch”.

And even without showing direct sexual intent while being indirect with your verbals, you can still build massive attraction through pure indirect game:

At 41:25 this girl is DYING for balding ginger midget Tyler to take her number (at 38:17 she’s fighting with her mom to try to ditch her mom to stay with Tyler):

Even Mystery infield waaaaay back in the day, skip to 1:29:10 where this girl is trying to get Mystery to extract her and trying to get him to take her number as she plays with her hair etc:

Now remember Mystery ENJOYS social interaction so he’s in zero hurry, to him he’s always happy to make more friends and expand his social circles, so he’s not just trying to get his dick sucked. He knows this girl is massively hooked and he can bang her whenever he wants. He’s also looking out for his buddies and hoping to get them laid, the more girls they all bring home (even if they bring some orbiter chodes with them), the better for everyone…if his buddies bring girls with them too, then it’s all jealousy plotlines etc and everyone in his group gets laid.

Listen to how that girl keeps trying to get his number, whining, begging, she even interrupts his stories to TAKE his phone from him and he just brushes her off no fucks given as he talks to her orbiter chode friend. “No wait, I need your number!!” “No.” She is on a MISSION to get his number and lock him down. At 1:30:25 you can see her putting in his name and demanding he puts his number in her phone, then she calls his phone, etc etc and he just keeps ignoring her as she tries to hold her phone up to look at. This is all conscious on his part, but this is the behavior a high-value guy would have with some girl he hasn’t decided on who hasn’t won him over yet. And because SHE’S chasing HIM, her orbiter chode can’t really do anything about it. Her group can’t interfere because it’s her decision. This is a POWERFUL level of attraction and remember Mystery was shooting for mLTRs (multiple girlfriends) VS just the one-off bang, so he wanted HARD attraction.

The funniest part is at 1:32:18, he’s telling this stupid boring story that’s like just interesting enough for the chode to listen to but really he’s fucking with the girl…she calls him and holds up her phone and is like “SEE I’M CALLING YOU!!!” and then the funniest shit he “accidentally” deletes her number lololol “This is a great phone, unfortunately I don’t know why that is but I just lost it…” “I’LL CALL YOU AGAIN!!” “No, you’ll do me one better” and then after she invites him out to come out tomorrow night he rejects it and says “it’ll be more fun if we just chill tonight, there’s this one song I want to play for you–” (extraction excuse) “I WANNA HEAR IT!!!!!” (she jumps on it)

He’s 100% toying with her. It’s going to take ZERO effort to isolate her (come in my room and listen to this song) and bang her, but this entire time she’s still not sure if he likes her. But she’s going to follow him anywhere and if he starts talking to another girl she’s going to get jealous as fuck. He’s going to get zero Last Minute Resistance, zero ASD, zero Buyer’s Remorse, etc She’s going to isolate HIM.

It doesn’t matter that the story he’s telling is fucking BORING. It’s interesting to HIM in HIS mind, so it’s self-amusement. It doesn’t matter that he’s suuuuuper low energy. It doesn’t matter that he isn’t really kino’ing her much. Hell he’s not even really talking about sex. But that chick is dying to get him.

Is this more work than what GLL was doing in that 15 min vid where he just goes up and grabs girls with no calibration and tries to plow for the lay ASAP? Sure, but it feels pretty fuckin good to have girls chasing you like this and it’s nice to not have to deal with a lot of bullshit like obstacles/orbiters/LMR/BR/etc

There are pros and cons to the different styles though. Before this Mystery runs a 20 min set that hits a fiance dead end (the girl has a fiance and he’s there and is introduced to Mystery). If he had just groped her and gone for the makeout off “hello” she’d have said “OMG I have a fiance he’s right over there!!” and saved himself 20 minutes.

But again Mystery doesn’t view human social interaction as a waste of time. The girl in the final set mentions that the orbiter chode’s place has a hot tub and they have parties there etc which Mystery will likely be invited to, expanding his social circles to meet more girls and more guys offering value to him. Even a taken girl that becomes a dead-end set is a chance for him to practice his routines etc and can become a part of his social circle…any chicks that girl is with, she’s going to throw at him with massive preselection value because she likes him.

Cajun going indirect on Keys to the VIP:

Chick in the first set thinks he’s so high-value that she’s in disbelief that he would even WANT her phone number, she thinks he’s just asking her for her number to be nice to her because she’s not good enough for him. And he’s just this sloppy dirty looking skinny little low-energy guy. But he does a ton of lasers, disarms the guy in her group, steps to the side to turn her away from her friends isolating her, kino, etc etc all without really telling her he’s into her.

Second set she’s with 2 friends and he goes indirect. Aftermath post he wrote up mentioned that this one txted him later that night to hang out but he was already on the highway heading home. Indirect, but she thinks he’s awesome. Again he’s disarming the friends, turning her back to them to isolate her, good eye-contact, confident, etc etc. Doesn’t matter that he’s not like “You’re the sexiest girl I’ve ever seen” (which would probably put her friends’ defenses up).

Third set he purposely sabotages it and pisses off the one girl, then turns her around and she’s basically in love with him, without him showing much sexual intent. All he has to do is isolate her and it’s done…she’s the one chasing his attention and cheering when she finally “wins” him. She snubs the gay kiss but he was running fast flash game for the show, ideally he’d spend a few more minutes with her, qualify her harder, escalate more etc and go home with her instead of just going for a number.

But the point of this show is to get numbers, not leave with the girls, which is dumb but probably legally safer for them lol but he could pull any of these girls pretty effortlessly if he stayed in set. He’s not putting in a ton of work, he’s not taking 7 hours, etc

Here’s Julien doing a half hour set:

He gets this girl isolated despite her being with a huge group of energetic hyper girlfriends and while he can’t get her away from them because they won’t let her go home with a guy, he gets her to agree to ditch her friends later to meet up. The whole thing is indirect, but notice how he puts her arm around him, gives her laser eye-contact, makes innuendo and roleplays and future projections about them, ignores her at points, does takeaways, etc etc He’s not like “you’re so sexy, I had to come say hi” but this girl goes from cold and standoffish to him, to loving him.

When guys cry about flakey phone numbers and LMR and cockblocks and girls walking away on them etc it’s because they aren’t getting the level of attraction Tyler has in that alpha female vid or Mystery has in that last set of that vid or Cajun has in these sets or Julien has in his sets, beacuse they’re not doing indirect properly. All 3 of these guys are CHOOSING not to pull the trigger, because it’s not the highest % play in these situations (it’ll be great for getting a makeout, but they’re looking for the lay not the makeout followed by a cockblock or LMR or a flaking number if the girl can’t fuck them that night etc), not because they’re SCARED to. And all these girls KNOW they’re going to fuck them if they get alone together, there’s no NEED to verbalize it…just like you KNOW when you go to a theater you’re going to see the end of the movie, you don’t NEED someone to say “just so you know, the ending is really cool, make sure you stay for it, it’s coming, trust me, this movie has an ending”, it’s like relax, it’s fine, we’ll see it when it gets here there’s no rush enjoy the film.

Indirect isn’t BETTER than direct, it’s just got its own pros and cons. I don’t have to defend direct game, we all know it works and we all know what it looks like. But indirect has way too shitty a reputation because of the diehard direct guys who put out videos like Marshall’s and because it looks boring on video compared to crazy direct flash game lol But it’s very versatile and flexible and allows you to get sets that would likely blow out a direct approach and work environments where you don’t have access to like, a London square full of smokin hot tourist girls walking around by themselves bored with nothing to do all day in the daytime.

Any guy who can’t tell you the pros & cons of both direct and indirect, and is heavily biased toward one side, is a guy with a limited skillset and biases. Spend a few months going for the kiss off “hello”, and spend a few months seeing if you can get the girls to demand you fuck them despite your resisting.

But most importantly: HIT THE FUCKING FIELD lol


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YaReally
on April 9th, 2016 at 6:06 pm
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YaReally
on April 10th, 2016 at 9:03 am
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@ludiamondz on @Softek
“He’s simply not ready to be in a long term relationship, not until boundaries are much more solid.”

Reality is he’s not going to dump sex and go back to voluntarily being single because of what we say here, there’s no logic that’s going to convince a guy in this situation:

“That combined with the fear of catastrophic loss — losing the only constant relationship I’ve ever had in my entire life and fearing that I won’t ever be able to find another one. I never had one before this, and I was in my mid 20’s when this started, so the fear is feeling very real to me.”

to just toss her away, especially without other girls lined up to replace her. It’s not even entirely about HER or the SEX, it’s about him having a shitload of painbodies attached to being alone and uncertain about being able to find another girl etc

Hate to say it but generally in these situations the guy is going to have to get burned first-hand to learn the lessons he needs to learn from this. And then he’ll go through a HORRIBLE “missing her” stage where he’s not getting laid AND regretting breaking up and drunk txting her and probably ending up back together with her again for a few more months or another year before it goes to shit AGAIN and he’s finally forced to be single and find his footing again and slowly build his way up to meeting new girls and down the road everything will work out fine and he’ll meet some amazing chicks that make him go “wtf was I thinking staying with that stupid girl who made me feel guilty/shameful around her 24/7???” and he’ll lol at what I’m writing here.

But right now most dudes need to get burned their first few times. It’s classic PUA process, we literally make fun of it because it’s so common…a guy goes from no pussy to learning how to get pussy and he settles with the first decent sane cute girl he starts seeing and gives up the game entirely and vanishes, but he hasn’t handled all the shit that’s fucked up inside him so he doesn’t have/establish/enforce boundaries and doesn’t really know himself or what he wants or what he can get in life etc etc and he comes back after a terrible breakup with that girl except he’s learned “okay I need more experience with women in GENERAL before I can make that LTR shit work in a way that I’m happy and not getting guilted/shamed and screen for a girl who’s not so blatantly manipulative and know how to hold my frame better etc”

Dude is going to get burned and he’s going to get burned hard, his LTR has been over for a while because they’re on different paths and his brain just doesn’t want to accept it, which is TOTALLY NORMAL given his situation/history and almost ALL guys go through this stage, and it could go on for another year or two, maybe 3 even.

Our job as his support group is to make sure that WHEN he gets burned, the damage is minimal. ie – no pregnancy on the way or child with her, no assets tied up with her, help encouraging him to make male-friends that want to go out for a beer or whatever, help encourage him to sarge as much as he can so he can feel like he has options when he breaks up, help put the right mindsets in him to understand WHY his girl is doing what she’s doing and WHY he’s feeling what he’s feeling so that he can understand what’s going on and feel like he has some control instead of feeling helpless like a leaf blowing around in the wind, etc

Even his venting his thoughts on the situation is important, because his situation feels unique to him but it’s VERY COMMON and MANY guys lurking and looking for answers from the red pill will read what he’s writing and be able to relate to it and when Softek is eventually out of this mess and on track with his life and kicking ass, they’ll say “well if he can do it maybe I can do it” just like with scray’s journey or walawala’s BPD adventures or scribblerg’s old man taking control of his life process etc

Tyler on “Crawling out of Neediness when First Dating”, lot of good lessons in here, might be some useful shit for ya Softek but I recommend everyone read it…no one is immune to catching one-itis even if we’re aware of it:


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YaReally
on April 10th, 2016 at 2:45 pm
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“However, if you inconvenience women in even the slightest way? THAT is the spur for social change.”

This. It’ll be fascinating to see what happens when women are on the frontlines in war and gay/lesbian marriages go through divorce rapes etc. Even recently there was that sad-ass piece about how unfair alimony is and how it MUST be fixed, because some rich chicks had to pay it…meanwhile no one gives a shit at how many low-value dudes (or high-value even) are going through hell paying alimony.

Once stuff affects women, society will fix it (at least for THEM, but often it’ll be across the board). Some MRAs will get butthurt about that, but that’s just how it works. Accept it and think about ways to push those situations to the foreground faster…ride those coattails to the finish line, whatever it takes to save men.

“When millions of spinsters are furiously lonely and raging at the pump and dumps”

This alone will be fascinating. We won’t be alive to see the full pendulum swing back to voluntary traditional gender roles (search my archives for “yareally reversion theory”), that’ll be a couple generations away. But we WILL be alive to see all these strong independent womyn hit the wall as a generation while simultaneously watching masses of high-value men absorbing and executing red pill knowledge (aka don’t get married), and the fallout of that is going to be fasinating to watch. Like the end of Fight Club when they watch the buildings crumble. There will be a massive push to force men to commit, and it’s most likely going to be with punishment for not committing VS reward for committing.

Until some clever girls figure out the secret to getting a high-value man is to stay looking hot, put out regularly, cook, clean, and be in your prime instead of looking for them after you’ve rode the carousel and hit the wall…then the Reversion Theory starts.

@ludiamondz
“in a way this is me yelling back at my past self lol. So be it. I’m done with my preaching.”

lol ya, I’m not saying don’t help him, and part of why we’re all so passionate about it is we WERE him or have friends who were him, and he needs the support and advice because he’ll be in these situations in the future and so will/are lurkers who benefit from the advice.

But do it in the same way you argue with a girl: don’t expect an outcome or to win with logic, and don’t be disappointed if that doesn’t happen. Focus on educating him and helping lead him towards minimizing the nearly inevitable damage.

@Sun Wukong
“The thing about bottom-up change (which really is what TRP is about to me) though is that while its slow, it also tends to be much longer lasting than top-down change.”

Yup. Now that I understand all the dynamics behind monogamy and marriage laws etc, you couldn’t possibly convince me to get married or encourage other men/boys to. But if you just made some top-down rule, any leftover blue pill programming in me would fight that rule.

I have a girl right now trying to guilt me into monogamy with her but it just won’t happen. She’s an amazing girl, I like her a lot, but none of that changes the logic and facts that I understand about how the red pill works and how I know our relationship would be affected if I caved.

Education is the best medicine.