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Evolving Hypergamy

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YaReally
on March 30th, 2016 at 1:46 pm
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@scray
“i’d say like bottom 40% and the bottom of the top 20% are the most likely to try and learn ‘game.’”

Ya I was in the bottom 10-20% probably. I wasn’t hideous looking, just average in looks but my subcomms were fucking horrible especially around anyone who wasn’t a very close friend and in social situations. Virgin till 23ish and fully lined up to end up with some plain average fat chick coworker who takes advantage of me and whatever I was set to accomplish in life. Would have guaranteed ended up on the reddit deadbedroom forum with a cheating wife or actually, ironically, I may have ended up here at TRM but under the complete opposite circumstances than I am now lol that’s kind of a mindfuck, I never thought about that before but I definitely would have looked for info/help and probably would have stumbled into this comment section but my username would be like “sadfeelsbeta” or something and I’d be asking how to get my wife to touch me like she used to before we got married.

But I hit rock bottom and typed “how do I get a girlfriend?” into google before some shitty chick took pity on me and let me be her Provider chode she cheats on, and like Tony Robbins says: the pain of NOT changing finally outweighed the pain of trying to change, plus I found the idea that you could predict human behavior and get BETTER at social interactions especially with women just a mindblowing idea that hooked me hard.

“the only trend in this direction starts to emerge when you see agriculture — i.e. more rigid societal structures i.e. SOCIAL PRESSURE i.e. ideas forced on everyone about who deserves what, etc., then suddenly only a small number of men are WORTHY.”

This. This is why I keep saying that women don’t really care if you fuck another girl, what they care about is being replaced by that girl (aka losing value, especially to their social networks/society by being the old maid that got tossed aside when her guy traded her in for a new model), or losing face (like how she can be cool with it, until her friends pressure and judge her and then suddenly she has a problem with it), or just the FEAR of losing face (aka the social conditioning she’s under that makes her feel like she NEEDS you to be monogamous or it means you don’t care etc etc and IMPLIES her losing status). So like society has convinced her that if you aren’t monogamous then it is INEVITABLE that you will ditch her for the newer model, that’s why to make a pLTR work you have to keep reinforcing to her that she’s your Primary and you aren’t looking to replace her etc because society has her paranoid about it even though her own biology doesn’t REALLY care and even thinks it’s hot or high-value that you can get other girls because that triggers her hypergamy (that’s why she’ll complain but not leave).

This next part ended up going on a big tangent about LSNFTEs ’cause I have one going on as of the other day lol:

Like right now the chick I’ve been hooking up with is off on a LSNFTE (Long Soft Next For Temporary Exclusivity) with another dude. The guy is way (WAY lol) better than me externally, but his internals are weak and he’s super supplicative etc. But he’s offering commitment/monogamy from day one whereas I won’t cave on my needs/desires to not be monogamous. He’s got the benefit of New Relationship Energy right now so she loves that all he brings her is good feels, while she cries herself to sleep over me not being exclusive with her. So in her mind he represents only good feels and I represent AMAZING feels but also BAD feels.

Now society has convinced her that 1) she should just feel good feels all the time from her partner because TRUE LOVE is about good feels only (meanwhile no one wants to watch Barney & friends and Telletubbies 24/7, we would get bored as fuck, we crave horror movies and thrillers and soap opera drama, women especially, but society gives us this blind spot with relationships where we think “I’m going to stay interested and excited in this even though it’s only good emotions, when I’m CRAVING the next episode of Game of Thrones to see what happens now that my favorite character is captured and I feel all these bad feels watching them get tortured as I hope for their escape and enjoy this big rollercoaster ride”, and 2) that if a guy isn’t promising monogamy then he’ll ditch her down the road 100%, even though she can logically look around at all the monoLTRs around her and see EVERYONE CHEATING left and right and logically SEE that it makes no sense to care about a promise no one ever keeps anyway, but getting that promise from a guy has been pumped up in value so hardcore by our Disney culture that she will pass up on a guy who gives her excitement for a guy who’s boring JUST for that promise so she can feel “secure” (since she believes the myth pushed by Disney that monogamy means she’ll be safe and they’ll be together forever etc).

While she’s in the NRE, she’ll be happy, she has the commitment of a guy who’s making her feel good feels. But down the road, in a few weeks, months (or even years, I had a girl return recently after 2 years of trying a monoLTR), etc the NRE will wear off and she’ll start getting bored living in Pleasantville where the guy supplicates and compliments and laughs at all her jokes even when she knows they aren’t funny etc and her resentment towrad him will build and she’ll think back to the exciting rollercoaster ride I represent and will go get drunk and txt me “heyyy” lol

The way I handle these situs when they happen is I just tell the girl I understand, and that she deserves a guy who’s fully committed to only her, and wish her the best of luck and tell her to keep my number just incase. Instead of getting butthurt (why would you pick him over me???) etc, I just demonstrate that no I won’t compromise on my values/desires (VS nooo don’t leave meeee I promise to be monogamous I’m so in scarcity I can’t lose you!!), and I demonstrate that because I can let her go I must have an abundance mindset (VS compromising on how I live my life under what’s essentially blackmail), and I demonstrate a protector of loved ones vibe in that I wish her the best and want her to be happy (VS being jealous/petty or trying to convince her I’m better for her, this is basically agree & amplify like ya I AM bad for you I HOPE you and this guy work out because I care about you even though we shouldn’t be together it’s so WRONG we CAN’T do this (and then we fuck because it’s forbidden lol)), and I make sure she still has a link to me by telling her to keep my number so she also knows that it’s okay to contact me down the road when things don’t work out (VS her not knowing if I’ll be mad or not want to hear from her again).

So now she has a lifeline to me to escape her soon-to-be-boring monoLTR when she needs to, and I just go radio silent on her (if I keep talking to her then she’s getting the milk without fucking the cow, so she gets no contact from me. She chose the boring commitment guy so it’s HIS job to entertain her now).

Like Blackdragon says about LSTFNEs, it’s almost inevitable that she’ll come back to me at some point. Usually it’s within 4-8 months but it can happen sooner or later. It doesn’t even faze me now lol And when she DOES come back, then I have hand in the relationship because she’s coming back 1) knowing what the deal is, no commitment/monogamy, and 2) she comes back as a casual FB, she doesn’t get to be the Primary anymore because she didn’t appreciate it so she has to work her way back UP to being the “queen” over other girls. So I don’t have to deal with hassle for having other girls’ strands of hair around my apartment etc because it’s like “hey you bailed on me what’d you expect me to do wait for you? Now you gotta compete with these other girls.”

Anyway, my point with that tangent is that society has her so conditioned that she will pick a guy who doesn’t give her the full range of tingles that she needs, over the guy who does, purely because the boring guy will promise her monogamy/commitment which she doesn’t even REALLY care about, and that guy will promise her monogamy that if he was honest with himself he probably doesn’t REALLY want (if he had the option of a busload of hot cheerleaders who wanted to suck his dick and no one would ever know, would he turn it down? lol) because like scray says we’ve had ideas forced on us by society that involve a lot of social pressure and judgement.

So she chooses the “commitment guy” and he chooses the “commitment girl”, and it looks great on paper for both of them. They both get the socially approved thumbs up from society cause commitment guy is socially approved, she gets the thumbs up from her friends and family at this amazing (externally) guy and her wedding photos get dozens of Likes and the neighbor up the street is impressed with the fancy house she gets to live in etc etc she’s done great by society’s judgement! And he’s got the hot wife, and she’s pregnant and everyone cheers him on and pats him on the back for following society’s plan.

But under the surface where society DOESN’T see, she’s preggers ’cause she was rawdogging more exciting guys on the side like me, that society WOULDN’T approve of, subconsciously hoping to get preggers to have her commitment guy raise the kid. And if he isn’t a complete chode he probably cheats with a coworker at his office xmas party. How it actually plays out when both people’s biology is triggered and tested by circumstances…well, we ain’t nothin but mammals lol Like the Joker says “you think your “rules” will save you but it’s all a bad joke”

“there’s simply nothing about women or how sex works (or any of these just-so evo psych stories) that has even come close -convincing- me as a matter of -science- they’re designed to be particularly picky. they get aroused by everything. they are designed to have sex all the time, even when they are in their infertile stage of the month…..seems like the primary competition occurs at the sperm level and that’s it.”

This. This is why I just kind of ignore the big “is she ovulating??? should I be more dominant???” thing the Manosphere seems weirdly obsessed about. Like I get it, there are papers from Harvard that say bla bla But infield they’re horny as fuck all month long lol And you can do shit to pro-actively MAKE them horny. Maybe the ovulation stuff is relevant when it’s like, you’re just passively watching her to see what she does, like maybe in a long-term marriage where there’s all this passive downtime, but like, pickup is about proactively creating a spark and fanning it into a forest fire.

I mean, if my style of pickup involves a lot of dominance and being an asshole and fucking them that same night etc, then shouldn’t most of the girls I hook up with be on the rag? They’re not, so it seems kind of silly to me to even worry about that shit…I think I would be bummed out if I thought every one night stand was going to be on the rag lol

Women will get wet for ANYTHING that gives them a rollercoaster of emotions even if it’s “wrong” or they can’t explain it. They just won’t tell anyone because they’re scared of being judged. You’ll never know that your unicorn got wet looking at her dog’s cock or reading a news article about a dad raping his daughters or 2 girls 1 cup or whatever other fucked up shit gives them that rollercoaster. If you then remove the social consequences (no judgement, safe space, isolation, etc) from that, that’s how you end up with something like queensnake (DO NOT GOOGLE, NSFW NSFL) which I GUARANTEE has a female audience that watches it and will never admit it to anyone in their life lol

“having said that…hypergamy etc., is undisputedly, at the very least a hardcore present-day cultural phenomenon.”

Thing is Hypergamy is moment to moment. IN THE MOMENT, the thing giving them that rollercoaster of emotions IS the highest-value shiny object. That thing doesn’t even have to BE THERE. A chick who’s madly in love with her super high-value man in the NRE stage will snub me when I approach her because even though he’s not there, I’m not demonstrating anything high-value enough with my approach to convince her brain that I’m better than him and trigger her Hypergamy. But a chick who’s just “in love” with her boyfriend and things are kind of settling down and getting routine and boring with them, when I approach there’s a good chance my approach will be more exciting to her and trigger her Hypergamy, even though back in the NRE stage with him she would have snubbed me. So Hypergamy is still occurring…she’s not going to fuck a guy she doesn’t find some kind of value in, even if that value is fleeting and is only in that moment and vanishes right after fucking. Like some loser chode beta, she might not be attracted to at all, but he has ONE MOMENT in front of her where he triggers something in her with some action he does, and by sheer fluke they have isolation, no one will know, etc, and he makes a move and she fucks him, but then is repulsed afterward and never talks to him again and views him as low-value…in that MOMENT he was triggering her Hypergamy. If he hadn’t had SOME kind of value to her, she wouldn’t have fucked him.

This is also why guys fuck up in marriage, they think “I GOT her, now I can relax” as if Hypergamy is going to stick around, like no matter what they do she’s going to view them as high-value forever because they put a ring on her finger. Hypergamy is moment to moment…that’s why like, I probably can’t get some rockstar’s wife. BUT, if he slacks off a bit, and her and I have isolation, and I get a chance to run my game and spike her emotions around, and I remove ASD/LMR/accountability/etc, there’s a good chance that I’ll fuck her because in that moment under that alignment of circumstances, I’m triggering her Hypergamy, even if the next day he goes and does a bunch of badass alpha shit (or I do some super beta chodey shit) that reminds her he’s super high-value compared to me and she never thinks about me again.

“if every guy had game (acting in accordance with social norms that allow women to sleep with a man with less social consequences), a lot of guys would get pussy”

Ya we would all just be passing sloppy seconds around to eachother lol Girls would be like kids in a candy store, their Hypergamy re-triggered by every dude they interact with.

“if you move that aside and just create a space where you’re like water and anyone can be whatever they want in your presence…you will get very far. and a lot of these dogmatic ‘IT IS SCIENCE STRAIGHT FROM THE DARWIN’S MOUTH’ get in the way of a lot of dudes’ progress.”

Like Tyler said back in his cocky 2 hour audio from the early days of game: “You think these guys that write these scientific studies are getting laid? They’re not, and if they are it’s not because of their theories about mirroring the girls pheromones and shit. Do you think these guys up in their ivory towers could even wrap their heads around the shit I can do?? That I can go out there and break all their rules and still get laid?? The shit I’m teaching you right now will be studied for years to come in the future, mark my words”

@Pallaeon
“It’s not just her though, in general, it’s useless to engage women on a red pill comment thread. Solipsism and “in the moment truths” are a real phenomenon, and not just some abstract concept we talk about here.”

Blows my fucking mind that guys here seem disappointed when the Emilys don’t see their point or don’t undersatnd what they’re trying to say or keep pulling out different side-tangents that “need correcting”. Like they don’t GET that the girls are just saying whatever they think will get an emotional reaction from the guys. They’re not TRYING to learn anything, they don’t WANT to learn, they are like water, their purpose here is to get guys to REACT to them and give them attention/engagement that they aren’t getting at home. It is 100% a waste of effort to engage them, that’s why we didn’t have them around in the early community, it would just waste everyone’s time/energy because newbies would get caught up trying to engage the girls who will just keep saying shit they know will get guys to react.

Like, if you want to engage them, cool, do it knowing that there is ABSOLUTELY no point. There’s as much point as there is talking to the wall beside you. If talking to a wall is a valuable use of your time to you, then have at it. But if you’re engaging them thinking you’re going to teach them something or they’re going to see new perspectives and shit that they won’t revert back on INSTANTLY the second it doesn’t benefit them to think that way anymore, then you got more red pill to digest and should get the fuck out infield instead of writing page long rants to them. Quit getting your paternal sugar daddy boner off to Manosphere fangirls…that’s what a scribblerg is doing, avoiding going out and working on being a lover to girls to just get his sugar daddy rocks off with the girls here “I’ll TEACH them, I’ll show them a new world with my wisdom”…his brain has just found a new convenient outlet to get that fix because it’s too chickenshit to go get up in girls’ space and try to make out with them and this feels nice and safe and comfortable and familiar. Not picking on just you scribblerg, this is most of the old guys here, and it’s natural that you guys gravitate towards “teach the young girl lessons with my wisdom” shit but like, it’s 100% pointless and a waste of your time when you could be working on approaching and escalating on girls in real life instead. You could HAVE a tight little spinner riding your dick this weekend and she’ll be 1000x less irritating to talk to than Emily lol


Evolving Hypergamy

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YaReally
on March 30th, 2016 at 1:46 pm
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@scray
“i’d say like bottom 40% and the bottom of the top 20% are the most likely to try and learn ‘game.’”

Ya I was in the bottom 10-20% probably. I wasn’t hideous looking, just average in looks but my subcomms were fucking horrible especially around anyone who wasn’t a very close friend and in social situations. Virgin till 23ish and fully lined up to end up with some plain average fat chick coworker who takes advantage of me and whatever I was set to accomplish in life. Would have guaranteed ended up on the reddit deadbedroom forum with a cheating wife or actually, ironically, I may have ended up here at TRM but under the complete opposite circumstances than I am now lol that’s kind of a mindfuck, I never thought about that before but I definitely would have looked for info/help and probably would have stumbled into this comment section but my username would be like “sadfeelsbeta” or something and I’d be asking how to get my wife to touch me like she used to before we got married.

But I hit rock bottom and typed “how do I get a girlfriend?” into google before some shitty chick took pity on me and let me be her Provider chode she cheats on, and like Tony Robbins says: the pain of NOT changing finally outweighed the pain of trying to change, plus I found the idea that you could predict human behavior and get BETTER at social interactions especially with women just a mindblowing idea that hooked me hard.

“the only trend in this direction starts to emerge when you see agriculture — i.e. more rigid societal structures i.e. SOCIAL PRESSURE i.e. ideas forced on everyone about who deserves what, etc., then suddenly only a small number of men are WORTHY.”

This. This is why I keep saying that women don’t really care if you fuck another girl, what they care about is being replaced by that girl (aka losing value, especially to their social networks/society by being the old maid that got tossed aside when her guy traded her in for a new model), or losing face (like how she can be cool with it, until her friends pressure and judge her and then suddenly she has a problem with it), or just the FEAR of losing face (aka the social conditioning she’s under that makes her feel like she NEEDS you to be monogamous or it means you don’t care etc etc and IMPLIES her losing status). So like society has convinced her that if you aren’t monogamous then it is INEVITABLE that you will ditch her for the newer model, that’s why to make a pLTR work you have to keep reinforcing to her that she’s your Primary and you aren’t looking to replace her etc because society has her paranoid about it even though her own biology doesn’t REALLY care and even thinks it’s hot or high-value that you can get other girls because that triggers her hypergamy (that’s why she’ll complain but not leave).

This next part ended up going on a big tangent about LSNFTEs ’cause I have one going on as of the other day lol:

Like right now the chick I’ve been hooking up with is off on a LSNFTE (Long Soft Next For Temporary Exclusivity) with another dude. The guy is way (WAY lol) better than me externally, but his internals are weak and he’s super supplicative etc. But he’s offering commitment/monogamy from day one whereas I won’t cave on my needs/desires to not be monogamous. He’s got the benefit of New Relationship Energy right now so she loves that all he brings her is good feels, while she cries herself to sleep over me not being exclusive with her. So in her mind he represents only good feels and I represent AMAZING feels but also BAD feels.

Now society has convinced her that 1) she should just feel good feels all the time from her partner because TRUE LOVE is about good feels only (meanwhile no one wants to watch Barney & friends and Telletubbies 24/7, we would get bored as fuck, we crave horror movies and thrillers and soap opera drama, women especially, but society gives us this blind spot with relationships where we think “I’m going to stay interested and excited in this even though it’s only good emotions, when I’m CRAVING the next episode of Game of Thrones to see what happens now that my favorite character is captured and I feel all these bad feels watching them get tortured as I hope for their escape and enjoy this big rollercoaster ride”, and 2) that if a guy isn’t promising monogamy then he’ll ditch her down the road 100%, even though she can logically look around at all the monoLTRs around her and see EVERYONE CHEATING left and right and logically SEE that it makes no sense to care about a promise no one ever keeps anyway, but getting that promise from a guy has been pumped up in value so hardcore by our Disney culture that she will pass up on a guy who gives her excitement for a guy who’s boring JUST for that promise so she can feel “secure” (since she believes the myth pushed by Disney that monogamy means she’ll be safe and they’ll be together forever etc).

While she’s in the NRE, she’ll be happy, she has the commitment of a guy who’s making her feel good feels. But down the road, in a few weeks, months (or even years, I had a girl return recently after 2 years of trying a monoLTR), etc the NRE will wear off and she’ll start getting bored living in Pleasantville where the guy supplicates and compliments and laughs at all her jokes even when she knows they aren’t funny etc and her resentment towrad him will build and she’ll think back to the exciting rollercoaster ride I represent and will go get drunk and txt me “heyyy” lol

The way I handle these situs when they happen is I just tell the girl I understand, and that she deserves a guy who’s fully committed to only her, and wish her the best of luck and tell her to keep my number just incase. Instead of getting butthurt (why would you pick him over me???) etc, I just demonstrate that no I won’t compromise on my values/desires (VS nooo don’t leave meeee I promise to be monogamous I’m so in scarcity I can’t lose you!!), and I demonstrate that because I can let her go I must have an abundance mindset (VS compromising on how I live my life under what’s essentially blackmail), and I demonstrate a protector of loved ones vibe in that I wish her the best and want her to be happy (VS being jealous/petty or trying to convince her I’m better for her, this is basically agree & amplify like ya I AM bad for you I HOPE you and this guy work out because I care about you even though we shouldn’t be together it’s so WRONG we CAN’T do this (and then we fuck because it’s forbidden lol)), and I make sure she still has a link to me by telling her to keep my number so she also knows that it’s okay to contact me down the road when things don’t work out (VS her not knowing if I’ll be mad or not want to hear from her again).

So now she has a lifeline to me to escape her soon-to-be-boring monoLTR when she needs to, and I just go radio silent on her (if I keep talking to her then she’s getting the milk without fucking the cow, so she gets no contact from me. She chose the boring commitment guy so it’s HIS job to entertain her now).

Like Blackdragon says about LSTFNEs, it’s almost inevitable that she’ll come back to me at some point. Usually it’s within 4-8 months but it can happen sooner or later. It doesn’t even faze me now lol And when she DOES come back, then I have hand in the relationship because she’s coming back 1) knowing what the deal is, no commitment/monogamy, and 2) she comes back as a casual FB, she doesn’t get to be the Primary anymore because she didn’t appreciate it so she has to work her way back UP to being the “queen” over other girls. So I don’t have to deal with hassle for having other girls’ strands of hair around my apartment etc because it’s like “hey you bailed on me what’d you expect me to do wait for you? Now you gotta compete with these other girls.”

Anyway, my point with that tangent is that society has her so conditioned that she will pick a guy who doesn’t give her the full range of tingles that she needs, over the guy who does, purely because the boring guy will promise her monogamy/commitment which she doesn’t even REALLY care about, and that guy will promise her monogamy that if he was honest with himself he probably doesn’t REALLY want (if he had the option of a busload of hot cheerleaders who wanted to suck his dick and no one would ever know, would he turn it down? lol) because like scray says we’ve had ideas forced on us by society that involve a lot of social pressure and judgement.

So she chooses the “commitment guy” and he chooses the “commitment girl”, and it looks great on paper for both of them. They both get the socially approved thumbs up from society cause commitment guy is socially approved, she gets the thumbs up from her friends and family at this amazing (externally) guy and her wedding photos get dozens of Likes and the neighbor up the street is impressed with the fancy house she gets to live in etc etc she’s done great by society’s judgement! And he’s got the hot wife, and she’s pregnant and everyone cheers him on and pats him on the back for following society’s plan.

But under the surface where society DOESN’T see, she’s preggers ’cause she was rawdogging more exciting guys on the side like me, that society WOULDN’T approve of, subconsciously hoping to get preggers to have her commitment guy raise the kid. And if he isn’t a complete chode he probably cheats with a coworker at his office xmas party. How it actually plays out when both people’s biology is triggered and tested by circumstances…well, we ain’t nothin but mammals lol Like the Joker says “you think your “rules” will save you but it’s all a bad joke”

“there’s simply nothing about women or how sex works (or any of these just-so evo psych stories) that has even come close -convincing- me as a matter of -science- they’re designed to be particularly picky. they get aroused by everything. they are designed to have sex all the time, even when they are in their infertile stage of the month…..seems like the primary competition occurs at the sperm level and that’s it.”

This. This is why I just kind of ignore the big “is she ovulating??? should I be more dominant???” thing the Manosphere seems weirdly obsessed about. Like I get it, there are papers from Harvard that say bla bla But infield they’re horny as fuck all month long lol And you can do shit to pro-actively MAKE them horny. Maybe the ovulation stuff is relevant when it’s like, you’re just passively watching her to see what she does, like maybe in a long-term marriage where there’s all this passive downtime, but like, pickup is about proactively creating a spark and fanning it into a forest fire.

I mean, if my style of pickup involves a lot of dominance and being an asshole and fucking them that same night etc, then shouldn’t most of the girls I hook up with be on the rag? They’re not, so it seems kind of silly to me to even worry about that shit…I think I would be bummed out if I thought every one night stand was going to be on the rag lol

Women will get wet for ANYTHING that gives them a rollercoaster of emotions even if it’s “wrong” or they can’t explain it. They just won’t tell anyone because they’re scared of being judged. You’ll never know that your unicorn got wet looking at her dog’s cock or reading a news article about a dad raping his daughters or 2 girls 1 cup or whatever other fucked up shit gives them that rollercoaster. If you then remove the social consequences (no judgement, safe space, isolation, etc) from that, that’s how you end up with something like queensnake (DO NOT GOOGLE, NSFW NSFL) which I GUARANTEE has a female audience that watches it and will never admit it to anyone in their life lol

“having said that…hypergamy etc., is undisputedly, at the very least a hardcore present-day cultural phenomenon.”

Thing is Hypergamy is moment to moment. IN THE MOMENT, the thing giving them that rollercoaster of emotions IS the highest-value shiny object. That thing doesn’t even have to BE THERE. A chick who’s madly in love with her super high-value man in the NRE stage will snub me when I approach her because even though he’s not there, I’m not demonstrating anything high-value enough with my approach to convince her brain that I’m better than him and trigger her Hypergamy. But a chick who’s just “in love” with her boyfriend and things are kind of settling down and getting routine and boring with them, when I approach there’s a good chance my approach will be more exciting to her and trigger her Hypergamy, even though back in the NRE stage with him she would have snubbed me. So Hypergamy is still occurring…she’s not going to fuck a guy she doesn’t find some kind of value in, even if that value is fleeting and is only in that moment and vanishes right after fucking. Like some loser chode beta, she might not be attracted to at all, but he has ONE MOMENT in front of her where he triggers something in her with some action he does, and by sheer fluke they have isolation, no one will know, etc, and he makes a move and she fucks him, but then is repulsed afterward and never talks to him again and views him as low-value…in that MOMENT he was triggering her Hypergamy. If he hadn’t had SOME kind of value to her, she wouldn’t have fucked him.

This is also why guys fuck up in marriage, they think “I GOT her, now I can relax” as if Hypergamy is going to stick around, like no matter what they do she’s going to view them as high-value forever because they put a ring on her finger. Hypergamy is moment to moment…that’s why like, I probably can’t get some rockstar’s wife. BUT, if he slacks off a bit, and her and I have isolation, and I get a chance to run my game and spike her emotions around, and I remove ASD/LMR/accountability/etc, there’s a good chance that I’ll fuck her because in that moment under that alignment of circumstances, I’m triggering her Hypergamy, even if the next day he goes and does a bunch of badass alpha shit (or I do some super beta chodey shit) that reminds her he’s super high-value compared to me and she never thinks about me again.

“if every guy had game (acting in accordance with social norms that allow women to sleep with a man with less social consequences), a lot of guys would get pussy”

Ya we would all just be passing sloppy seconds around to eachother lol Girls would be like kids in a candy store, their Hypergamy re-triggered by every dude they interact with.

“if you move that aside and just create a space where you’re like water and anyone can be whatever they want in your presence…you will get very far. and a lot of these dogmatic ‘IT IS SCIENCE STRAIGHT FROM THE DARWIN’S MOUTH’ get in the way of a lot of dudes’ progress.”

Like Tyler said back in his cocky 2 hour audio from the early days of game: “You think these guys that write these scientific studies are getting laid? They’re not, and if they are it’s not because of their theories about mirroring the girls pheromones and shit. Do you think these guys up in their ivory towers could even wrap their heads around the shit I can do?? That I can go out there and break all their rules and still get laid?? The shit I’m teaching you right now will be studied for years to come in the future, mark my words”

@Pallaeon
“It’s not just her though, in general, it’s useless to engage women on a red pill comment thread. Solipsism and “in the moment truths” are a real phenomenon, and not just some abstract concept we talk about here.”

Blows my fucking mind that guys here seem disappointed when the Emilys don’t see their point or don’t undersatnd what they’re trying to say or keep pulling out different side-tangents that “need correcting”. Like they don’t GET that the girls are just saying whatever they think will get an emotional reaction from the guys. They’re not TRYING to learn anything, they don’t WANT to learn, they are like water, their purpose here is to get guys to REACT to them and give them attention/engagement that they aren’t getting at home. It is 100% a waste of effort to engage them, that’s why we didn’t have them around in the early community, it would just waste everyone’s time/energy because newbies would get caught up trying to engage the girls who will just keep saying shit they know will get guys to react.

Like, if you want to engage them, cool, do it knowing that there is ABSOLUTELY no point. There’s as much point as there is talking to the wall beside you. If talking to a wall is a valuable use of your time to you, then have at it. But if you’re engaging them thinking you’re going to teach them something or they’re going to see new perspectives and shit that they won’t revert back on INSTANTLY the second it doesn’t benefit them to think that way anymore, then you got more red pill to digest and should get the fuck out infield instead of writing page long rants to them. Quit getting your paternal sugar daddy boner off to Manosphere fangirls…that’s what a scribblerg is doing, avoiding going out and working on being a lover to girls to just get his sugar daddy rocks off with the girls here “I’ll TEACH them, I’ll show them a new world with my wisdom”…his brain has just found a new convenient outlet to get that fix because it’s too chickenshit to go get up in girls’ space and try to make out with them and this feels nice and safe and comfortable and familiar. Not picking on just you scribblerg, this is most of the old guys here, and it’s natural that you guys gravitate towards “teach the young girl lessons with my wisdom” shit but like, it’s 100% pointless and a waste of your time when you could be working on approaching and escalating on girls in real life instead. You could HAVE a tight little spinner riding your dick this weekend and she’ll be 1000x less irritating to talk to than Emily lol


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“if you are nonjudgmental subbies will admit to lots”

“agree. women spill the beans. always.”

Don’t sperg it, guys. I meant they aren’t going to admit that shit to their coworkers or friends or family. Jesus.


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“if you are nonjudgmental subbies will admit to lots”

“agree. women spill the beans. always.”

Don’t sperg it, guys. I meant they aren’t going to admit that shit to their coworkers or friends or family. Jesus.


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@Palleon
“In my mind, as long as I get to fuck the girl, and we’re still really chill and have a great time together, who the fuck cares if she’s banging an entire football team in my absence? So long as she’s practicing safe sex and I’m not on the hook financially if one of her other guys knocks her up.”

Assuming she’s practicing safe sex so the STDs worry is off the table (for the most part, I know I know there’s shit you can get without a condom but for the sake of discussion lets say she stays STD free), the two main factors in it from my perspective are 1) insecurity (what if she fucks someone better than me and leaves me or doesn’t like me as much or thinks about him during sex instead of me which means he’s better than me and I judge my self-worth based on what she thinks of me so if she likes another guy that means she doesn’t like me as much as I need her to to feel good about myself) and/or 2) pedestalization (what if I lose her, I can’t risk it because I could never find another girl like her, I need to keep her locked up away from the sight of other men because if I lose her I’ll have NOTHING ahhhh!!) and/or 3) paternity shit, you need to KNOW your kid is your kid. Or just 4) germophobia type shit, like I don’t wanna taste my buddy’s jizz on her breath the same way I don’t wanna kiss her after she’s licked the bottom of a dirty sneaker lol

So in my mind a big part of why I don’t care is 1) I’m internally confident so I don’t care if she thinks another guy is hot or sexy or whatever, it’s irrelevant to me and doesn’t trigger any pangs of jealousy or insecurity on my part, 2) I don’t pedestalize her, she can leave if she wants I’ll replace her and she can come back when she smartens up (after she’s gotten STD tests done lol), and 3) I don’t want kids so I don’t really care about that. Plus understanding Hypergamy and field experience means that I know she’s more likely to choose me over the other guys and not have as much or any interest in straying, if I’m triggering her shit properly.

But the guys who feel strongly about it will disagree because no one wants to admit they have any of those traits (except the 3rd one about paternity). To them I would ask them to write down exactly what pisses them off or makes them feel like “fuck THAT” to the idea of their girl banging other guys and we can see if their reasons ultimately fall into one of the 3 categories I mentioned (insecurity, pedestalization, or paternity) when you dig down deep enough into why they feel that way.

Ultimately sex is just sweating with another person. It’s about the equivalent of like, practicing grappling MMA shit with someone, except with orgasms and oxytocin involved lol But if the frequency they’re sweating with another person is low enough, the oxytocin doesn’t really matter. So like, what’s the big deal?

That said, I don’t like sloppy seconds and wouldn’t bang a girl my buddies have banged because it triggers something squicky in my brain that’s like “ew no that’s gross” lol And don’t want to know the details if a girl does fuck someone else (unless it’s a funny story or about the guy being shitty in bed (so there’s one that can be traced to insecurity on my part, it’s only fun if I know he wasn’t better than me lol)). And I would expect her to have a couple hot soapy showers before we hang out because ewww. I think that might just be a germophobe thing but there’s probably traces of insecurity or pedestalization or paternity shit behind it.

@redlight
“Now to have less attention whores, you just need to do nothing. To have more attention whores, just keep doing what you are doing.”

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@Palleon
“In my mind, as long as I get to fuck the girl, and we’re still really chill and have a great time together, who the fuck cares if she’s banging an entire football team in my absence? So long as she’s practicing safe sex and I’m not on the hook financially if one of her other guys knocks her up.”

Assuming she’s practicing safe sex so the STDs worry is off the table (for the most part, I know I know there’s shit you can get without a condom but for the sake of discussion lets say she stays STD free), the two main factors in it from my perspective are 1) insecurity (what if she fucks someone better than me and leaves me or doesn’t like me as much or thinks about him during sex instead of me which means he’s better than me and I judge my self-worth based on what she thinks of me so if she likes another guy that means she doesn’t like me as much as I need her to to feel good about myself) and/or 2) pedestalization (what if I lose her, I can’t risk it because I could never find another girl like her, I need to keep her locked up away from the sight of other men because if I lose her I’ll have NOTHING ahhhh!!) and/or 3) paternity shit, you need to KNOW your kid is your kid. Or just 4) germophobia type shit, like I don’t wanna taste my buddy’s jizz on her breath the same way I don’t wanna kiss her after she’s licked the bottom of a dirty sneaker lol

So in my mind a big part of why I don’t care is 1) I’m internally confident so I don’t care if she thinks another guy is hot or sexy or whatever, it’s irrelevant to me and doesn’t trigger any pangs of jealousy or insecurity on my part, 2) I don’t pedestalize her, she can leave if she wants I’ll replace her and she can come back when she smartens up (after she’s gotten STD tests done lol), and 3) I don’t want kids so I don’t really care about that. Plus understanding Hypergamy and field experience means that I know she’s more likely to choose me over the other guys and not have as much or any interest in straying, if I’m triggering her shit properly.

But the guys who feel strongly about it will disagree because no one wants to admit they have any of those traits (except the 3rd one about paternity). To them I would ask them to write down exactly what pisses them off or makes them feel like “fuck THAT” to the idea of their girl banging other guys and we can see if their reasons ultimately fall into one of the 3 categories I mentioned (insecurity, pedestalization, or paternity) when you dig down deep enough into why they feel that way.

Ultimately sex is just sweating with another person. It’s about the equivalent of like, practicing grappling MMA shit with someone, except with orgasms and oxytocin involved lol But if the frequency they’re sweating with another person is low enough, the oxytocin doesn’t really matter. So like, what’s the big deal?

That said, I don’t like sloppy seconds and wouldn’t bang a girl my buddies have banged because it triggers something squicky in my brain that’s like “ew no that’s gross” lol And don’t want to know the details if a girl does fuck someone else (unless it’s a funny story or about the guy being shitty in bed (so there’s one that can be traced to insecurity on my part, it’s only fun if I know he wasn’t better than me lol)). And I would expect her to have a couple hot soapy showers before we hang out because ewww. I think that might just be a germophobe thing but there’s probably traces of insecurity or pedestalization or paternity shit behind it.

@redlight
“Now to have less attention whores, you just need to do nothing. To have more attention whores, just keep doing what you are doing.”

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@Sentient
“Lots of studies supporting that ovulating women seek more masculine partners during ovulation”

I’m not saying there aren’t studies or evidence for it. But like I say, if you’re just passively standing around letting them choose or like, in a marriage where you’re around eachother 24/7 with tons of passive downtime, or like running passive social circle game where you just spend time around girls as a group passively, maybe that stuff matters.

But women “seek” a lot of shit. 6-packs, money, height, etc But none of that matters when you pro-actively get up in their space and run game. None of them are “seeking” Tyler. You just MAKE shit happen. You flip their triggers and MAKE them go into “I want this dominant alpha dude” mode regardless of the moon.

Like scray’s gif says:


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@Sentient
“Lots of studies supporting that ovulating women seek more masculine partners during ovulation”

I’m not saying there aren’t studies or evidence for it. But like I say, if you’re just passively standing around letting them choose or like, in a marriage where you’re around eachother 24/7 with tons of passive downtime, or like running passive social circle game where you just spend time around girls as a group passively, maybe that stuff matters.

But women “seek” a lot of shit. 6-packs, money, height, etc But none of that matters when you pro-actively get up in their space and run game. None of them are “seeking” Tyler. You just MAKE shit happen. You flip their triggers and MAKE them go into “I want this dominant alpha dude” mode regardless of the moon.

Like scray’s gif says:


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@Sentient
“This is why women, self selecting – being out in places where they can meet guys – with an egg in the chute, are out in places where they can meet guys and not binging on TV and eating ice cream in their sweats.”

I mean, they have jobs and have to buy groceries and have friends that want to see them and drag them out to bars for b’day parties and girls nights out and shit, they can’t just stay in the house half the month and not go outside lol

“and you discover the majority you meet are NOT having their period”

I don’t know, I’ve never really tracked the stats on it because it seems pretty random. Sometimes they have their period going on, sometimes it’s about to hit, sometimes it’s forever away…that’s why I don’t really pay attention to it. There doesn’t seem to be any real significance infield.

Like there’s probably some effect, and I guess it’s good to understand it just for the knowledge of how human beings work, but getting a period tracking app and trying to spot ovulating girls in the bar seems pretty crazy to me lol


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@Sentient
“This is why women, self selecting – being out in places where they can meet guys – with an egg in the chute, are out in places where they can meet guys and not binging on TV and eating ice cream in their sweats.”

I mean, they have jobs and have to buy groceries and have friends that want to see them and drag them out to bars for b’day parties and girls nights out and shit, they can’t just stay in the house half the month and not go outside lol

“and you discover the majority you meet are NOT having their period”

I don’t know, I’ve never really tracked the stats on it because it seems pretty random. Sometimes they have their period going on, sometimes it’s about to hit, sometimes it’s forever away…that’s why I don’t really pay attention to it. There doesn’t seem to be any real significance infield.

Like there’s probably some effect, and I guess it’s good to understand it just for the knowledge of how human beings work, but getting a period tracking app and trying to spot ovulating girls in the bar seems pretty crazy to me lol


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Right, like that’s passive stuff to me VS pro-actively cold-approaching them. It probably helps to be more assholeish or more providery in a marriage based on it.

But infield it’s pretty irrelevant. She’s not turning down her chance to snag an alpha guy because she’s not in the right phase of her cycle lol And she’s not grabbing the beta provider chode in the corner to fuck his brains out because she’s in the other phase of her cycle.


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Right, like that’s passive stuff to me VS pro-actively cold-approaching them. It probably helps to be more assholeish or more providery in a marriage based on it.

But infield it’s pretty irrelevant. She’s not turning down her chance to snag an alpha guy because she’s not in the right phase of her cycle lol And she’s not grabbing the beta provider chode in the corner to fuck his brains out because she’s in the other phase of her cycle.


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@Blaximus
“But, she might.”

Just doesn’t play out infield that way. She MIGHT be a little more receptive to him than she would normally be but it just doesn’t matter. There’s no point in Megan Fox’s cycle where she’s going to pro-actively fuck this dude and think he’s sexy:

Like it’s so insignificant infield that it isn’t worth worrying about any more than Tyler should worry about his bald spot or Julien should worry about being skinny.

@scribblerg
“Was talking about the stand up paddler I just got for the lake this year and she told me how she LOVED THEM and how it was a great abdominal workout. She was basically preening and I didn’t know what to do. Now it was at a counter, she was working etc. But instead of even coolly suggesting she give me lessons and saying, “Hey, when you get off let’s get a coffee and you can give me tips” or something like that, I got flustered.”

lol the reason we have stuff like Mystery Method and routines is, as much as Naturals hate using them, they give us fallback shit to fall back on. We all get blindsided by these unexpected moments but if you’re USED to number closing girls or pitching an insta-date to the place up the street, you’re way more likely to pull that out in your frozen up state because it’s something you do frequently (because you go sarge a lot right?). It’s why we have guys go through a phase where they number close EVERY set, or try to kiss off EVERY 3 iois…it’s not that it’ll work every time, those girls don’t even MATTER, the reason for those exercises is so that when you’re blindsided by that unexpected hottie in the grocery store when you’re feeling stifled in your head, you’re more likely to reflexively do the things that need to be done to get her.

It’s just like sparring and developing reflexes in a fight where even if you panic your arms just go where they’re supposed to go to get the job done. Not gonna get to that stage boxing once a month lol

“It was like the actual moment of a bit of interest brought all my internal shit to a head.”

That means she was outside your level of entitlement. If she had been ugly and you felt like you deserved her, you wouldn’t likely choke just like you don’t panic about what to say to like your 4 year old nephew, you are just entertaining yourself…but you might worry about what to say to the president or a personal hero of yours.

How do we build entitlement? Sarge sarge sarge. :) The more girls you talk to and the more good reactions you have, the more the idea of banging that smiley 21yo HB7 becomes normalized to your brain and ends up within your level of entitlement. Can’t get there reading my posts, gotta build reference experience infield.

No one here EXPECTS you to make out with her successfully. GUARANTEED you are gonna be dropping an “OH GOD I CAN NEVER GO BACK TO THE CAFE AGAIN IT WAS THE WORST THING EVER OH GOD” Field Report at some point. And we’ll pat you on the back and say no worries there are other coffee shops, good on you for pushing your comfort zone and getting a start towards progress. :)

Now if only there were a place with a ton of hot 21yo girls that you could get used to flirting with them hmm… πŸ˜‰

“My commitment is to approach/game 5 days a week in some way or form”

Tyler goes out for 20 min a night, you don’t have to be out there for 4 hours. Even running ONE set or doing ONE approach is more than most chode guys will do in a month.

And like Julien says: look at where you went wrong and try to figure out “how could I have done it better?”, which you did with your “give me tips” thing. Now your brain is like “oh I get it, that’s a good idea” and files that away somewhere in the depths of it.

“Also going to revive my Open Mic game, it’s a great tableau for me to work from and I haven’t been working it.”

Ya man, getting up in front of a crowd is great for throwing yourself into social pressure. Jeffy used to start his nights with karaoke.

“Fucking hard to admit I’m terrified of girls at 53.”

Also be careful how much of this you tell yourself or you’ll build an identity around it and then embrace being this guy. It’s cool to write that in a field report here, but make sure your self-talk is telling yourself that you’re NOT terrified of them.

@Sentient
“Yes and Yes – the predominate sign is she is OUT and NOT sequestered away, bloated and broken out… ”

Again, she goes out for a ton of reasons that aren’t “to get laid”. She has a job, so she has to go ride the subway or bus or whatever to work, she has to go get her coffee, she has to go eat lunch somewhere, she has to go buy groceries, she has to go pick up her friend at wherever, she has a b’day party at a bar she has to go to, she has a ton of reason she would be outside of the house while bloated and broken out.

“You prove the point, girls we hook up with are NOT on the rag…”

No I said I get a mix.

“because most (though not all) girls who are cramping and bloated and broken out and bleeding don’t put themselves into situations to be picked up. They can, and some do. But most do not.”

Then like, what good is the info outside of the passive situations I’m describing. Like, my point is that it’s irrelevant infield and it’s not because ALL the girls who are outside of their bedroom are at the same stage in their cycle lol

“(in fact a huge sign of LMR is I’m on my period – LOl)”

You just disable that LMR by saying it’s no big deal, say you can wash your sheets like no fucks given, throw down a towel, whatever lol

“She can’t be her sexiest like that.”

Doesn’t matter. As long as she thinks you won’t judge her for it and you disable the LMR she’s up to fuck.

“This isn’t controversial in any way, nor am I saying pay attention to it (or get an app).”

I don’t really know what we’re talking about then lol All I’ve been saying is that in pro-active game this stuff is irrelevant, not that there isn’t some merit to it. It just doesn’t matter, it’s not making any significant % difference in-field. That’s all my point is.


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@Blaximus
“But, she might.”

Just doesn’t play out infield that way. She MIGHT be a little more receptive to him than she would normally be but it just doesn’t matter. There’s no point in Megan Fox’s cycle where she’s going to pro-actively fuck this dude and think he’s sexy:

Like it’s so insignificant infield that it isn’t worth worrying about any more than Tyler should worry about his bald spot or Julien should worry about being skinny.

@scribblerg
“Was talking about the stand up paddler I just got for the lake this year and she told me how she LOVED THEM and how it was a great abdominal workout. She was basically preening and I didn’t know what to do. Now it was at a counter, she was working etc. But instead of even coolly suggesting she give me lessons and saying, “Hey, when you get off let’s get a coffee and you can give me tips” or something like that, I got flustered.”

lol the reason we have stuff like Mystery Method and routines is, as much as Naturals hate using them, they give us fallback shit to fall back on. We all get blindsided by these unexpected moments but if you’re USED to number closing girls or pitching an insta-date to the place up the street, you’re way more likely to pull that out in your frozen up state because it’s something you do frequently (because you go sarge a lot right?). It’s why we have guys go through a phase where they number close EVERY set, or try to kiss off EVERY 3 iois…it’s not that it’ll work every time, those girls don’t even MATTER, the reason for those exercises is so that when you’re blindsided by that unexpected hottie in the grocery store when you’re feeling stifled in your head, you’re more likely to reflexively do the things that need to be done to get her.

It’s just like sparring and developing reflexes in a fight where even if you panic your arms just go where they’re supposed to go to get the job done. Not gonna get to that stage boxing once a month lol

“It was like the actual moment of a bit of interest brought all my internal shit to a head.”

That means she was outside your level of entitlement. If she had been ugly and you felt like you deserved her, you wouldn’t likely choke just like you don’t panic about what to say to like your 4 year old nephew, you are just entertaining yourself…but you might worry about what to say to the president or a personal hero of yours.

How do we build entitlement? Sarge sarge sarge. πŸ™‚ The more girls you talk to and the more good reactions you have, the more the idea of banging that smiley 21yo HB7 becomes normalized to your brain and ends up within your level of entitlement. Can’t get there reading my posts, gotta build reference experience infield.

No one here EXPECTS you to make out with her successfully. GUARANTEED you are gonna be dropping an “OH GOD I CAN NEVER GO BACK TO THE CAFE AGAIN IT WAS THE WORST THING EVER OH GOD” Field Report at some point. And we’ll pat you on the back and say no worries there are other coffee shops, good on you for pushing your comfort zone and getting a start towards progress. πŸ™‚

Now if only there were a place with a ton of hot 21yo girls that you could get used to flirting with them hmm… πŸ˜‰

“My commitment is to approach/game 5 days a week in some way or form”

Tyler goes out for 20 min a night, you don’t have to be out there for 4 hours. Even running ONE set or doing ONE approach is more than most chode guys will do in a month.

And like Julien says: look at where you went wrong and try to figure out “how could I have done it better?”, which you did with your “give me tips” thing. Now your brain is like “oh I get it, that’s a good idea” and files that away somewhere in the depths of it.

“Also going to revive my Open Mic game, it’s a great tableau for me to work from and I haven’t been working it.”

Ya man, getting up in front of a crowd is great for throwing yourself into social pressure. Jeffy used to start his nights with karaoke.

“Fucking hard to admit I’m terrified of girls at 53.”

Also be careful how much of this you tell yourself or you’ll build an identity around it and then embrace being this guy. It’s cool to write that in a field report here, but make sure your self-talk is telling yourself that you’re NOT terrified of them.

@Sentient
“Yes and Yes – the predominate sign is she is OUT and NOT sequestered away, bloated and broken out… ”

Again, she goes out for a ton of reasons that aren’t “to get laid”. She has a job, so she has to go ride the subway or bus or whatever to work, she has to go get her coffee, she has to go eat lunch somewhere, she has to go buy groceries, she has to go pick up her friend at wherever, she has a b’day party at a bar she has to go to, she has a ton of reason she would be outside of the house while bloated and broken out.

“You prove the point, girls we hook up with are NOT on the rag…”

No I said I get a mix.

“because most (though not all) girls who are cramping and bloated and broken out and bleeding don’t put themselves into situations to be picked up. They can, and some do. But most do not.”

Then like, what good is the info outside of the passive situations I’m describing. Like, my point is that it’s irrelevant infield and it’s not because ALL the girls who are outside of their bedroom are at the same stage in their cycle lol

“(in fact a huge sign of LMR is I’m on my period – LOl)”

You just disable that LMR by saying it’s no big deal, say you can wash your sheets like no fucks given, throw down a towel, whatever lol

“She can’t be her sexiest like that.”

Doesn’t matter. As long as she thinks you won’t judge her for it and you disable the LMR she’s up to fuck.

“This isn’t controversial in any way, nor am I saying pay attention to it (or get an app).”

I don’t really know what we’re talking about then lol All I’ve been saying is that in pro-active game this stuff is irrelevant, not that there isn’t some merit to it. It just doesn’t matter, it’s not making any significant % difference in-field. That’s all my point is.


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@Roused
“wants tingles, validation and dick”

She always wants those, bloated or otherwise. The purpose of game is to pro-actively fan that flame up into a forest fire, is my point.

She’s not UNRECEPTIVE or UNINTERESTED in tingles and validation and dick from Brad Pitt in his prime macking her, just because she’s bloated. She could be on death’s door but if you say “hey I’ve got Brad Pitt here and he wants to fuck you”, they’re going to rally up. They won’t rally up for their lame husband, but they’ll rally up for a guy with high enough value to them and she’s not going to NOT enjoy Brad Pitt railing her and be like “no thanks, Brad Pitt, I want to to go on this cuddle date with a chode instead.”

If a guy running game doesn’t cause the same reaction Brad Pitt causes then he needs to tighten up his game till he does.

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“So the dread of abandonment is likely way deep in the female hindbrain, not a recent addition courtesy of the Haus of Maus”

It’s not the fear of abandonment, it’s the importance of monogamy. In the past girls were perfectly fine being part of a harem as long as they knew the guy leading that harem would provide for them. Women put up with their husbands fucking the secretary and had their own affairs with the milkman etc and everyone was cool with it because the guy still took care of the woman so even though he banged the secretary she knew he wasn’t going to bail on her because a divorce would be shameful etc

The idea of “ONE PERSON IS YOUR SOULMATE FOREVER AND EVER AND IF THEY LOOK AT ANYONE ELSE THEY ARE GUARANTEED TO ABANDON YOU BECAUSE IF THEY TRULY LOVED YOU THEY WOULD NEVER EVEN GET HARD TO PORN OR THINKING OF OTHER WOMEN BECAUSE TRUE LOVE” shit is the recent construction that’s fucking everything up.


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@Roused
“wants tingles, validation and dick”

She always wants those, bloated or otherwise. The purpose of game is to pro-actively fan that flame up into a forest fire, is my point.

She’s not UNRECEPTIVE or UNINTERESTED in tingles and validation and dick from Brad Pitt in his prime macking her, just because she’s bloated. She could be on death’s door but if you say “hey I’ve got Brad Pitt here and he wants to fuck you”, they’re going to rally up. They won’t rally up for their lame husband, but they’ll rally up for a guy with high enough value to them and she’s not going to NOT enjoy Brad Pitt railing her and be like “no thanks, Brad Pitt, I want to to go on this cuddle date with a chode instead.”

If a guy running game doesn’t cause the same reaction Brad Pitt causes then he needs to tighten up his game till he does.

@Anonymous Reader
“So the dread of abandonment is likely way deep in the female hindbrain, not a recent addition courtesy of the Haus of Maus”

It’s not the fear of abandonment, it’s the importance of monogamy. In the past girls were perfectly fine being part of a harem as long as they knew the guy leading that harem would provide for them. Women put up with their husbands fucking the secretary and had their own affairs with the milkman etc and everyone was cool with it because the guy still took care of the woman so even though he banged the secretary she knew he wasn’t going to bail on her because a divorce would be shameful etc

The idea of “ONE PERSON IS YOUR SOULMATE FOREVER AND EVER AND IF THEY LOOK AT ANYONE ELSE THEY ARE GUARANTEED TO ABANDON YOU BECAUSE IF THEY TRULY LOVED YOU THEY WOULD NEVER EVEN GET HARD TO PORN OR THINKING OF OTHER WOMEN BECAUSE TRUE LOVE” shit is the recent construction that’s fucking everything up.


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@Forge the Sky
“I kinda kept track of weeks in the back of my head for a while at work (have a fun flirty vibe w like 6 cute girls there, not gonna shit where I eat tho)”

Again that’s passive game, which like I say I can see where it might have value there. I’m just talking about how it’s not relevant for approaching them infield. And even in that passive game that’s still letting her steer the boat and reacting to her VS being pro-active, like that’s not really “pickup” that’s just a guy hoping a girl notices and chooses him.

@Anonymous Reader
“That’s fear of abandonment right there”

Sorry my bad, this: “It’s not the fear of abandonment, it’s the importance of monogamy.” should have read: “It’s not the fear of abandonment that Disney has manufactured concern over, it’s the importance of monogamy that they’ve manufactured concern over.” VS what I actually wrote which on second glance reads more like “It’s not the fear of abandonment that women are concerned about, it’s the importance of monogamy”. So we agree that the fear of abandonment is hardwired. It’s the desire for monogamy that isn’t hardwired and is manufactured/exaggerated by our Disney culture.

“The “divorce is shameful” part is modern. The “fear of being abandoned” is buried in women’s hindbrain.”

Ya, exactly. We agree, my wording was retarded but this is was my actual point, my bad shoulda proofread lol


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@Forge the Sky
“I kinda kept track of weeks in the back of my head for a while at work (have a fun flirty vibe w like 6 cute girls there, not gonna shit where I eat tho)”

Again that’s passive game, which like I say I can see where it might have value there. I’m just talking about how it’s not relevant for approaching them infield. And even in that passive game that’s still letting her steer the boat and reacting to her VS being pro-active, like that’s not really “pickup” that’s just a guy hoping a girl notices and chooses him.

@Anonymous Reader
“That’s fear of abandonment right there”

Sorry my bad, this: “It’s not the fear of abandonment, it’s the importance of monogamy.” should have read: “It’s not the fear of abandonment that Disney has manufactured concern over, it’s the importance of monogamy that they’ve manufactured concern over.” VS what I actually wrote which on second glance reads more like “It’s not the fear of abandonment that women are concerned about, it’s the importance of monogamy”. So we agree that the fear of abandonment is hardwired. It’s the desire for monogamy that isn’t hardwired and is manufactured/exaggerated by our Disney culture.

“The “divorce is shameful” part is modern. The “fear of being abandoned” is buried in women’s hindbrain.”

Ya, exactly. We agree, my wording was retarded but this is was my actual point, my bad shoulda proofread lol


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@SJF
“that he marginalizes this effect for the marginalized man”

The marginalized man should be learning game. The dude handing roses to Megan Fox isn’t going to benefit from this ovulation cheat code. Dude needs to hit the field and learn game.

And like I say, and I prefaced in EVERY fucking comment lol: I’m talking about it’s effect infield approaching girls, NOT IN PASSIVE SOCIAL CIRCLE MARRIED GUY LTR GAME which is what the “marginalized man” is doing. THAT guy might benefit from it and even then it’s going to be minimal/non-existant return if it’s a girl that’s not attracted to him to begin with (aka a wife or girl with a crush on him).

But the rose guy being passive chode isn’t going to get jack shit regardless of where the girl is in her cycle. That’s been my point from the start lol


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@SJF
“that he marginalizes this effect for the marginalized man”

The marginalized man should be learning game. The dude handing roses to Megan Fox isn’t going to benefit from this ovulation cheat code. Dude needs to hit the field and learn game.

And like I say, and I prefaced in EVERY fucking comment lol: I’m talking about it’s effect infield approaching girls, NOT IN PASSIVE SOCIAL CIRCLE MARRIED GUY LTR GAME which is what the “marginalized man” is doing. THAT guy might benefit from it and even then it’s going to be minimal/non-existant return if it’s a girl that’s not attracted to him to begin with (aka a wife or girl with a crush on him).

But the rose guy being passive chode isn’t going to get jack shit regardless of where the girl is in her cycle. That’s been my point from the start lol


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@newlyaloof
…you know Shoe0nHead’s not Boxxy right?

@all
wtf makes you guys think Karen is Shoe0nHead? What did I miss? Did she admit it or something?

Shoe0nHead is funny as shit and Armored Skeptic is a boss and the two of them are barfingly adorable together. Shoe raped Aurini while back, it was fucking hilarious, she has better frame control, agree & amplify, self-amusement, lack of ego protection, etc than most of the Manosphere combined:




Roosh got rekt too:

These guys can’t even tell they’re being tooled because they’ve been LARPing for too long. They don’t get that she doesn’t care about their opinions and she isn’t insecure so she doesn’t care when they try to call her ugly or try to tool her in their snooty “you’re not a REAL lady” James Bond wannabe way. The worst is the little attempts to run some kind of autistic game on her like “cute-butt” and Roosh trying to flip the frame there. It’s so painful to read. She wins every time because she isn’t taking this shit or herself seriously and neither should the guys talking to her.

Most of you guys overreacting to her shit-posting, whether she’s actually Shoe or not, come off like Aurini and Roosh, taking shit waaaaaaay more seriously than a mid-20s girl self-amusing does.

“Instead of arguing with them, I would rather see if YaReally can get them to meet in the same city and do a make-out session on Skype or a YouTube channel. Shoe and Charland tonguing each other, now that would be worth paying attention too…”

Like wtf kind of response is this. Besides, Skeptic has a lightsaber.

@Sun Wukong
“Exactly. She has nothing to contribute because it’s not a view she truly holds. She holds the view that makes her money and that’s it. Her view will change to whatever view will get her more subscribers. Like a prostitute doling out anti-feminism instead of sex in exchange for money.”

Nah, shoe’s legit. Been following her shit for a while. She just thinks guys in the Manosphere/Red Pill are retarded and every time she interacts with guys from the community they go full retard and prove her right, like most of the replies to her here where guys instantly react with insulting her or trying to doxx her or devalidate her or gang up on her and analyze her or try to weirdly flirt or try to get innuendo-ey with her, when they have ZERO value to her.

If it IS Shoe, and again I’m not sure where you guys got that idea from, she isn’t contributing because she doesn’t give a shit. You guys clinging onto the old set of books keep getting caught up in expecting respect as the default from girls (and guys) and then dissing the girls for not respecting you and listening to you. They don’t CARE about respecting you, you don’t have value to them, especially not here and especially not when it’s so easy to rile everyone up lol

Like this: “Says a lot about just how useless she really is to us.” She doesn’t CARE that she’s useless to you or anyone here. It’s just shit-posting for lolz and probably a video about how reactive and bent out of shape the “badass” unreactive Manosphere full of “Red Pill alpha males” gets over a girl goofing around.

Like I’ve said before, don’t take yourself and this shit too seriously. Go out and talk to girls in the real world so that you don’t end up trying to LARP here awkwardly trying to eSeducing girls trolling you. There’s like a direct correlation between guys not going out and guys falling bait line and hook into these “I know we’re not supposed to react BUT…” as they hamster-rationalize “well ROLLO said it was okay because it proves his points” and “well I’m just making ONE LAST point” etc

The responses to “Karen” DESERVE to be in a video making fun of the Manosphere lol


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@newlyaloof
…you know Shoe0nHead’s not Boxxy right?

@all
wtf makes you guys think Karen is Shoe0nHead? What did I miss? Did she admit it or something?

Shoe0nHead is funny as shit and Armored Skeptic is a boss and the two of them are barfingly adorable together. Shoe raped Aurini while back, it was fucking hilarious, she has better frame control, agree & amplify, self-amusement, lack of ego protection, etc than most of the Manosphere combined:




Roosh got rekt too:

These guys can’t even tell they’re being tooled because they’ve been LARPing for too long. They don’t get that she doesn’t care about their opinions and she isn’t insecure so she doesn’t care when they try to call her ugly or try to tool her in their snooty “you’re not a REAL lady” James Bond wannabe way. The worst is the little attempts to run some kind of autistic game on her like “cute-butt” and Roosh trying to flip the frame there. It’s so painful to read. She wins every time because she isn’t taking this shit or herself seriously and neither should the guys talking to her.

Most of you guys overreacting to her shit-posting, whether she’s actually Shoe or not, come off like Aurini and Roosh, taking shit waaaaaaay more seriously than a mid-20s girl self-amusing does.

“Instead of arguing with them, I would rather see if YaReally can get them to meet in the same city and do a make-out session on Skype or a YouTube channel. Shoe and Charland tonguing each other, now that would be worth paying attention too…”

Like wtf kind of response is this. Besides, Skeptic has a lightsaber.

@Sun Wukong
“Exactly. She has nothing to contribute because it’s not a view she truly holds. She holds the view that makes her money and that’s it. Her view will change to whatever view will get her more subscribers. Like a prostitute doling out anti-feminism instead of sex in exchange for money.”

Nah, shoe’s legit. Been following her shit for a while. She just thinks guys in the Manosphere/Red Pill are retarded and every time she interacts with guys from the community they go full retard and prove her right, like most of the replies to her here where guys instantly react with insulting her or trying to doxx her or devalidate her or gang up on her and analyze her or try to weirdly flirt or try to get innuendo-ey with her, when they have ZERO value to her.

If it IS Shoe, and again I’m not sure where you guys got that idea from, she isn’t contributing because she doesn’t give a shit. You guys clinging onto the old set of books keep getting caught up in expecting respect as the default from girls (and guys) and then dissing the girls for not respecting you and listening to you. They don’t CARE about respecting you, you don’t have value to them, especially not here and especially not when it’s so easy to rile everyone up lol

Like this: “Says a lot about just how useless she really is to us.” She doesn’t CARE that she’s useless to you or anyone here. It’s just shit-posting for lolz and probably a video about how reactive and bent out of shape the “badass” unreactive Manosphere full of “Red Pill alpha males” gets over a girl goofing around.

Like I’ve said before, don’t take yourself and this shit too seriously. Go out and talk to girls in the real world so that you don’t end up trying to LARP here awkwardly trying to eSeducing girls trolling you. There’s like a direct correlation between guys not going out and guys falling bait line and hook into these “I know we’re not supposed to react BUT…” as they hamster-rationalize “well ROLLO said it was okay because it proves his points” and “well I’m just making ONE LAST point” etc

The responses to “Karen” DESERVE to be in a video making fun of the Manosphere lol


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You guys overreacting to girls trolling you comes off exactly like the guys they’re making fun of in this video:

Plz stop.


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You guys overreacting to girls trolling you comes off exactly like the guys they’re making fun of in this video:

Plz stop.


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@The Jin
“Essentially, Ricky Raws argument is that MM is designed to find damaged/bipolar/codependent chicks because that’s what Mystery was unconsciously looking for when he designed it.”

lol Ricky Raw doesn’t know his head from his ass with regards to pickup. Dude is 100% mental masturbation and hasn’t done his research on the community or what it teaches:

http://therawness.com/reader-letters-1-part-4/

“I think about 10-20% of what’s discussed in the PUA philosophy is useful, but most of it is damaging and puts you in a horrible mental frame.”

“A major problem with the PUA stuff is that it attacks the symptoms of one’s disease and not the actual disease itself. Most of the solutions are surface solutions. So you feel better in the short run and get some quick results, but ultimately you do worse in the long run.”

“PUA stuff gets you obsessed with fixing the symptoms (superficial behavioral tics) and not attacking the real sickness (low self-esteem, unresolved core issues from childhood traumas, faulty thinking patterns inherited from authority figures, etc.)”

“The pickup artist prescription feels good at first, but it doesn’t attack the real self-esteem and insecurity issues and allows them to keep growing underneath the surface, so the moment you get some form of ego bruising or a setback, all the old feelings of low self-esteem and ego-bruising come rushing back to the forefront of your awareness.”

Got into it with him here:

http://therawness.com/reader-letters-1-part-4/#comment-24361

His reply was classic concern trolling anti-game/Blue Pill/FI shit like:

“In the first video you posted (I didn’t look at the following ones yet), the title is “How to Cultivate Self-Interest and Project Your Reality Onto The Girl.” Do you see the subtle problem there? How to cultivate self-interest…so that you can make the girl buy into it. So is it true self-interest or is it about catering to the girl’s interest?”

And I responded with stuff like:

“Do you mean the part where in the start of the video where he says “It’s just getting into that zone where you’re just enjoying it for you. You let go of the outcome. You’re enjoying taking action, you’re enjoying acting through your intention REGARDLESS OF HOW SHE REACTS TO IT. That’s what you should be enjoying, not the fact that it’s “oh I’m getting a makeout” or “ohh I’m getting a good reaction”.”?”

And he basically reframed it all as “it doesn’t matter what you do, if you in any way want the attention of a girl or in some way acknowledge that the things you’re doing might ALSO benefit you around women then you are a pussy-beggar being warped by evil damaged PUAs” lol

Can pretty much guarantee that Ricky hasn’t successfully run game on HSE girls and seen that HSE girls respond better than LSE girls lol Mental masturbation. And he definitely hasn’t been paying attention to the PUA community in the past like 10 years where there’s been a huge push for helping guys solve their inner game issues and not seek validation from women.

Dude is basically a Jezebel writer with regards to PUA.

@Just getting it
“can I ask for a bit of detail on the mechanics of demonstrating higher value?”

Here’s a quick example of it in action. This guy is using social proof and preselection to demonstrate the same value that a celebrity would demonstrate and women/people respond to those triggers he’s flipping:

Mystery Method and PUA in general give you the rundown on what traits indicate high value and the roadmap on how to demonstrate and capitalize on them. There’s an element of fake it till you make it at first, but as you put more time infield you end up “making it”. ie – at first I might just spike a girl’s buying temperature and use her to merge forward into a set with a hotter girl and consciously ignore the hotter girl to talk to her dude-friend and subtly AMOG him. But down the road, with field experience being social and handling my inner game shit, I end up at the point where I’m just out having fun and spike a girl’s buying temperature by amusing myself, and naturally bring that set with the hotter girl into my fun, ignore the hotter girl because I don’t really care about her attention because I already have quality girls in my life, and just naturally happen to be cooler than her dude-friend without trying.

But ya, you can view it as a hack, that’s how most of us feel at the start, like we’ve found some secret superpower shit lol “wait, I said this to her and she reacted EXACTLY like those internet nerds said she would, wtf??” The goal down the road is to “make it”, but you won’t do that without massive field experience going out and applying this shit regularly.

My newbie resource guide:

“These days my Newbie Guide would be this:

– Mystery Method (I prefer the seminar where he teaches it over the PDF, I like Mystery’s passion for what he’s teaching, the vids were on YouTube at some point…Magic Bullets is a more brief version of MM if you want the tl;dr version of it)

– Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation video on YouTube

– Richard LaRuina Formula For Night Game on YouTube (specifically 27:00 to 50:00)

– RSDJulien’s SHIFT (internal game/mindsets/beliefs)

– and RSDJulien’s PIMP (external game aka shit to execute infield)

– and if you just want overall social skills building rapport/comfort with people in general then check out Juggler Method.

I’d say that’s the most efficient route to get legit well-rounded solid pickup skills infield fast. And read TRM of course lol And do your FRs even if you don’t show them to anyone, just writing shit down recapping the night helps your brain focus on how you could do better.

I would these resources out in the order listed too, tho if you’re already going out (so you have decent inner game) and just need help with externals watch PIMP then SHIFT, but if you’re not going out at all yet and are scared to go out, reverse the order of those two and watch SHIFT then PIMP.”

Haven’t finished Krausers Daygame Overkill yet (busy with work) but so far it’s solid, tho I recommend focusing on night game at the start to rack up massive reference experiences socializing fast if you’re coming from a nerdy zero social life background.


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@The Jin
“Essentially, Ricky Raws argument is that MM is designed to find damaged/bipolar/codependent chicks because that’s what Mystery was unconsciously looking for when he designed it.”

lol Ricky Raw doesn’t know his head from his ass with regards to pickup. Dude is 100% mental masturbation and hasn’t done his research on the community or what it teaches:

http://therawness.com/reader-letters-1-part-4/

“I think about 10-20% of what’s discussed in the PUA philosophy is useful, but most of it is damaging and puts you in a horrible mental frame.”

“A major problem with the PUA stuff is that it attacks the symptoms of one’s disease and not the actual disease itself. Most of the solutions are surface solutions. So you feel better in the short run and get some quick results, but ultimately you do worse in the long run.”

“PUA stuff gets you obsessed with fixing the symptoms (superficial behavioral tics) and not attacking the real sickness (low self-esteem, unresolved core issues from childhood traumas, faulty thinking patterns inherited from authority figures, etc.)”

“The pickup artist prescription feels good at first, but it doesn’t attack the real self-esteem and insecurity issues and allows them to keep growing underneath the surface, so the moment you get some form of ego bruising or a setback, all the old feelings of low self-esteem and ego-bruising come rushing back to the forefront of your awareness.”

Got into it with him here:

http://therawness.com/reader-letters-1-part-4/#comment-24361

His reply was classic concern trolling anti-game/Blue Pill/FI shit like:

“In the first video you posted (I didn’t look at the following ones yet), the title is “How to Cultivate Self-Interest and Project Your Reality Onto The Girl.” Do you see the subtle problem there? How to cultivate self-interest…so that you can make the girl buy into it. So is it true self-interest or is it about catering to the girl’s interest?”

And I responded with stuff like:

“Do you mean the part where in the start of the video where he says “It’s just getting into that zone where you’re just enjoying it for you. You let go of the outcome. You’re enjoying taking action, you’re enjoying acting through your intention REGARDLESS OF HOW SHE REACTS TO IT. That’s what you should be enjoying, not the fact that it’s “oh I’m getting a makeout” or “ohh I’m getting a good reaction”.”?”

And he basically reframed it all as “it doesn’t matter what you do, if you in any way want the attention of a girl or in some way acknowledge that the things you’re doing might ALSO benefit you around women then you are a pussy-beggar being warped by evil damaged PUAs” lol

Can pretty much guarantee that Ricky hasn’t successfully run game on HSE girls and seen that HSE girls respond better than LSE girls lol Mental masturbation. And he definitely hasn’t been paying attention to the PUA community in the past like 10 years where there’s been a huge push for helping guys solve their inner game issues and not seek validation from women.

Dude is basically a Jezebel writer with regards to PUA.

@Just getting it
“can I ask for a bit of detail on the mechanics of demonstrating higher value?”

Here’s a quick example of it in action. This guy is using social proof and preselection to demonstrate the same value that a celebrity would demonstrate and women/people respond to those triggers he’s flipping:

Mystery Method and PUA in general give you the rundown on what traits indicate high value and the roadmap on how to demonstrate and capitalize on them. There’s an element of fake it till you make it at first, but as you put more time infield you end up “making it”. ie – at first I might just spike a girl’s buying temperature and use her to merge forward into a set with a hotter girl and consciously ignore the hotter girl to talk to her dude-friend and subtly AMOG him. But down the road, with field experience being social and handling my inner game shit, I end up at the point where I’m just out having fun and spike a girl’s buying temperature by amusing myself, and naturally bring that set with the hotter girl into my fun, ignore the hotter girl because I don’t really care about her attention because I already have quality girls in my life, and just naturally happen to be cooler than her dude-friend without trying.

But ya, you can view it as a hack, that’s how most of us feel at the start, like we’ve found some secret superpower shit lol “wait, I said this to her and she reacted EXACTLY like those internet nerds said she would, wtf??” The goal down the road is to “make it”, but you won’t do that without massive field experience going out and applying this shit regularly.

My newbie resource guide:

“These days my Newbie Guide would be this:

– Mystery Method (I prefer the seminar where he teaches it over the PDF, I like Mystery’s passion for what he’s teaching, the vids were on YouTube at some point…Magic Bullets is a more brief version of MM if you want the tl;dr version of it)

– Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation video on YouTube

– Richard LaRuina Formula For Night Game on YouTube (specifically 27:00 to 50:00)

– RSDJulien’s SHIFT (internal game/mindsets/beliefs)

– and RSDJulien’s PIMP (external game aka shit to execute infield)

– and if you just want overall social skills building rapport/comfort with people in general then check out Juggler Method.

I’d say that’s the most efficient route to get legit well-rounded solid pickup skills infield fast. And read TRM of course lol And do your FRs even if you don’t show them to anyone, just writing shit down recapping the night helps your brain focus on how you could do better.

I would these resources out in the order listed too, tho if you’re already going out (so you have decent inner game) and just need help with externals watch PIMP then SHIFT, but if you’re not going out at all yet and are scared to go out, reverse the order of those two and watch SHIFT then PIMP.”

Haven’t finished Krausers Daygame Overkill yet (busy with work) but so far it’s solid, tho I recommend focusing on night game at the start to rack up massive reference experiences socializing fast if you’re coming from a nerdy zero social life background.


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@Just getting it
Here’s a super concise fast breakdown of 25 little DHV/subcommunication things you can tweak starting now. This is from the Tyler Digest, oldschool cocky Tyler goodness…posting it in full ’cause all the regulars here can use a refresher on this now and then:

“Taught a few hundred guys by now just from meeting guys through PAIR and in workshops recently, and this is the stuff that ups their game instantly with no tactics or anything. I see this s t ALL THE TIME. It’s the BIGGEST and most COMMON problem I see after everyone I’ve met. This is some of the main stuff I focus on fixing when I’m in the field.

Almost EVERYONE I met so far screws up this s , and it totally f ks up their sarges.

If you do this, don’t feel bad. 99% of guys I meet do it to various extents (myself included).

This is the extension of the “10 alpha qualities” post, which was when I was first figuring out what this sh1t meant. Back then, I was just posting observations. This post contains conclusions, having now thought about it.

ERADICATE this s , and your game will go up B-I-G-T-I-M-E, more than ANY tactics will help you. This is part of what’s called being a “natural”. Even with nothing else, if you know this stuff you’ll do well socially, and probably get laid. This stuff is the KEY.

This stuff is only for people who play the REAL game, not the INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME. So guys who don’t actually PLAY can skip this, because there’s not much theory in it – its directly applicable.

1) FIDGETY MOVEMENTS AND TIGHT SHOULDERS AND TAKING YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY OR BEING TOO BUSINESSLIKE OR “SOPHISTICATED” (not laughing or being relaxed) = very visible subconsious (or conscious) self-doubt, overcompensating through non-relaxed state, where you’re prepared to deal with anything that could happen. Ever met someone who doesn’t blink when you talk to them?

2) TALKING TOO FAST = worried that people will stop listening to you unless you get out something that will interest them before they leave

3) LAUGHING AT YOUR OWN JOKES = covering up that you aren’t affected that others didn’t laugh, and social nervousness

4) SAYING “RIGHT” OR “YOU KNOW” AFTER STATEMENTS = seeking validation that what you said was true, or saying it because others aren’t

5) STANDING WITH LEGS NOT HALF A METER APART AT LEAST = worried that you’ll infringe on other people’s personal space

6) TALKING TOO SOFTLY OR LOUD = fear that you’ll impose yourself on people and their personal space(ie: beta).. alpha males aren’t afraid to project their voice.. YET, talking obviously too LOUD can also be seen as OVERCOMPENSATING. Just like guys who wear GENERIC clothes are trying to fit in, or guys who wear OUTRAGEOUS clothes are trying too hard to overcompensate. (hint: be careful with peacocking, find a style that doesn’t come off this way, which can be tricky but is still very doable).. Some guys don’t talk, some talk too much, etc etc.. Find appropriate balance through trial and error, which is determined through social observation,

7) MOVING YOUR HANDS AROUND WHILE YOU TALK = trying to keep the attention of the group (sometimes can be cool, but most often a form of qualifying yourself)

8) LEANING IN or ‘PECKING’ = too eager to talk.. NEVER lean in no matter how loud the environment is MAKE HER LEAN IN or just leave but NEVER lean in or “peck” as its also called.

9) FACING BODY/FEET TOWARDS HER BEFORE SHE EARNED IT = trying to gain rapport with her too eagerly.

10) CHASING WHEN SHE WALKS AWAY = hoping she’ll listen. If a chick moves away from you, move your bodylanguage MORE away from her, so she’ll be drawn back.. don’t CHASE her… WTF?!@?!?

11) NOT WITHDRAWING (backturns, etc) WHEN SHE DOES SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN’T TOLERATE FROM AN UGLY GIRL OR A GUY = trying too hard to pick her up

12) ANSWERING QUESTIONS TOO QUICKLY/EARLY = too much interest in the conversation

13) TURNING YOUR HEAD (OR “SNAPPING”) WHEN YOU’RE ADDRESSED = too eager to be in convo.. so if your head is facing the other direction, and a girl says something to you, turn it SLOWLY to her, don’t snap it out of eagerness to hear her

14) GOING BACK TO A PRIOR THREAD THAT WAS INTERUPTED AT THE FIRST CHANCE/BREAK-IN-CONVO THAT YOU GET = trying too hard to impress them.. (ie: when a thread gets broken off in the convo, and you go back to it FIRST chance you get when the other topic ends, you look like you were WAITING to get back to it.. WHY are you so eager to get back on it, unless you don’t feel comfortable around the person and you need to qualify yourself to them?) WAIT until THEY say “what was that you were saying before?”, and THEN go back to it.. if it doesn’t happen, DROP IT even if it was good.

15) NOT APPEARING MORE INTO YOUR WINGMAN THEN THE CHICK = trying too hard to pick her up.. you’ve known your wingman longer than her.. why do you pay more attention to her than your wing???

16) TOO EAGER TO PAY ATTENTION – SAYING “what?” IF YOU CAN’T HEAR HER, PRIOR TO BEING IN RAPPORT = too much interest in what she’s saying.. if she mumbles, just STACK OPENERS into an entirely DIFFERENT topic, RATHER than saying “what?” This is fucking KEY KEY KEY. If you say “what?” you’ll lose her unless you’re already past attraction and into rapport. If this happens, just run a new opener and change the topic. 1- you don’t look too eager, 2- you look alpha for being disinterested in what she’s talking about which helps anyway

17) REPLYING WITH OVERLY THOUGHT-OUT OF LOGICAL ANSWERS OR WITH OVERLY CLEAR/FORMAL PRONUNCIATION = being concerned that you won’t be accepted unless you convince really well (eg. HB: why did you ask me that… RIGHT = I’m talking. (sit and stare) WRONG = because I really need to know since I’ve been thinking about this for a while.. the FIRST one conveys that you won’t qualify yourself to her)

18) TAKING TOO MANY SENTENCES TO STATE AN IDEA THAT COULD BE STATED IN LESS SPACE = qualifying yourself. Commander Zap emails me a few months ago: “Remember TD, don’t write what you can say, don’t say what you can wink, don’t wink what you can smile” TIGHT. The shorter you can explain something in, the more PROFOUND you’ll appear. Why? You’re not qualifying yourself. (ironically I’m massively guilty of this, due to the fact that I post when I’m really tired – see #21 to spot what was wrong with this last sentence)

19) BEING BOLD INSTEAD OF CONFIDENT = that you know that you can’t pick her up, so you compensate with self-defeating actions so that the snub can be on “your terms”. Saying “I’m sexy right?” or “baby I want some of that” or even just approaching when the logistics are totally unrealistic is too eager, because a CONFIDENT person wouldn’t feel the NEED to say these kinds of things.. these things are symptoms of OVERCOMPENSATION for INSECURITIES.. which leads to……….

20) OVERCOMPENSATING INSECURITIES = fear of not being accepted. Have you ever met a janitor who the first thing he says is “money is over-rated.. I would never get caught up in the corporate world” blah blah.. if they’d have just said “I’m a janitor” and LEFT IT AT THAT we wouldn’t have even THOUGHT that anything was wrong with it.. but because they INSTANTLY start overcompensating, it comes off as overcompensating or qualifying. Same with if they BRING IT UP TOO EARLY. Like “hey, I’m Steve.. I’m a janitor and I love it”.. They’re TRYING to be cocky but it comes off as COMPENSATING. BE COMFORTABLE WITH YOURSELF. If you’re BALD, don’t say “would you love a bald man?” as a pickup line. It’s not COCKY…. its BOLD. If you’re bad looking, don’t say “don’t you think I’m sexy”. Just be comfortable with yourself, and don’t bring up the issue at all.

21) OVERCOMPENSATING FAILURE OR SHORTCOMINGS = fear of being judged.. if you do poorly on a presentation, or on a sarge in front of a wingman, or on a test, DO NOT SAY DUMB SHIT LIKE “I’m really tired”. EVEN IF you’re ACTUALLY really tired, the mere act of saying “I’m tired” comes off as QUALIFYING yourself to the person. Just don’t bring it up. If you have shitty clothes on, don’t say “I have nicer clothes at home.” Just don’t bring it up. If you meet a girl when you’re dressed bad, don’t say “I have the coolest club clothes at home” Just don’t bring it up.

22) GOING BACKWARDS IN THE PICKUP ON HER SCHEDULE = too eager to lay her.. if you’ve already GONE THROUGH the whole “let’s ballbust and shit test eachother” attraction phase of the pickup, and you’re now in RAPPORT -> if she tries to ballbust you at this point then just WITHDRAW ATTENTION. DO NOT BALLBUST BACK. It seems COUNTER INTUITIVE, but once you’ve gone through that whole little attract phase, and you’re now being nice to eachother in rapport, DO NOT let her rewind the sarge by answering her ballbusting with ballbusts of your own. Just withdraw attention, to show that you’re not interested in going BACKWARDS in a sarge.

23) WAITING FOR HER IF SHE LEAVES FOR ANY REASON (LIKE SAYS “I’M GOING TO THE WASHROOM, WAIT HERE) = too eager and into the convo.. if she goes to the washroom, make sure you’re into another set by the time she gets back.

24) OVERLY REMEMBERING DETAILS ABOUT PAST CONVOS = convo means too much to you, because the person has unusual value to you (ie: a hot chick). Of course, I’m not advocating to be a total dick, but the general rule of thumb is that if you wouldn’t have remembered a FAT CHICK or a GUY saying it, then don’t remember the HB9 chick saying it. If some random dude said it and you would have remembered, then FINE. If you were in an unusually intimate convo that’s also fine. But otherwise FAKE forgetting, even if she’s a model and you remember every word. Even forget her name. If you see a random chick from your class or work, but you never talked to her, OPEN LIKE YOU DON’T KNOW HER. Don’t give into the temptation to say “we work together”. Just open like a random chick, and maybe if you get snubbed then pull out that card to save face, but only as a LAST RESORT.

25) OFFERING TOO MUCH ABOUT YOURSELF TOO EARLY = too eager to make them like you.. subcategories of this are:

A) Verbally: if you say to a chick “yeah, I just got back from NYC (or any cool place that would impress)” or “yeah, I just got my Rolex fixed”, or “yeah, my stripper ex-girlfriend told me…” then she PICKS UP on the fact that you’re trying too hard to impress her.. Same with NAME DROPPING.. DON’T GIVE GIRLS YOUR RESUME TOO EARLY.. Personality conveying routines should convey personality COVERTLY, so it looks like the story is just SO COOL that its WORTH TELLING on its own accord, and it just HAPPENS to have some good things about you in it. When offering good things about yourself, don’t offer boring details. Say it with less detail, and it seems less eager. INSINUATE THAT WHICH YOU ARE TEMPTED TO ELICIDATE (holy shit, I just made up that last catchy sentence, but I’ve gotta say that I’m the shit.. right?)

B) Entertaining: If you have stuff like patterns, or the CUBE, or magic, or photos, or palmreading, and you do this EARLY, it comes off as TRY-HARD. Personally I don’t use any of these things, but alot of guys do, and when they bust them out prior to the chick EARNING it, it comes off TRY-HARD. Use the stuff LATER, but not right away.

C) Wanting rapport with someone who didn’t earn it: WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT??? I swear to god, almost EVERY PUA I meet live in field does this shit, and its SUPER LAME. Going up to a chick and saying “nice necklace” or “what’s your name” or “where did you get that?” is FUCKING DORK SUPER LAME. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE ABOUT THIS STUFF FROM A R-A-N-D-O-M PERSON????? The counter argument to this is that you’re not hiding your desires blah blah blah she’s a hot girl and she should be happy that you’re approaching, but this is INTERNET RHETORIC.. and this approach is STILL hiding your desires behind the GUISE that you’re nice, so even if the rhetoric was true, it would STILL be ineffective… In the INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME this stuff is FINE, but in the REAL FIELD GAME this shit screws you over before you’ve even started gaming. It’s fucking bullshit, and NOBODY who isn’t very goodlooking or socially proofed (or whatever high value) PRIOR to going in, can make this kind of approach work consistently on HB8.5+ chicks. TRYING FOR RAPPORT TOO EARLY IS QUALIFYING YOURSELF TO HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT EARNED IT.

D) Talking without feedback: When you’re talking to someone, and they don’t give feedback, and you’re talking and talking, you BETA YOURSELF. It’s a DOWNWARD SPIRAL, where you start talking TOO MUCH, and you SENSE that you’re qualifying yourself, so you overcompensate EVEN MORE by TALKING and TALKING more and more.. Then you feel more and more beta’ed because you qualified yourself, and you’re left treading water, grabbing at ANYTHING that will impress the person, so you keep talking in hopes of saying that one thing that will impress them. AVOID this by not talking too much unless THEY give some feedback. IN THE FIELD you do this by PAUSING and FORCING them to fill in the awkward gaps.

Tyler Durden”

I love cocky oldschool Tyler and his capital letter rants and emphasis on “REAL FIELD GAME” instead of “INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME” lol


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@Just getting it
Here’s a super concise fast breakdown of 25 little DHV/subcommunication things you can tweak starting now. This is from the Tyler Digest, oldschool cocky Tyler goodness…posting it in full ’cause all the regulars here can use a refresher on this now and then:

“Taught a few hundred guys by now just from meeting guys through PAIR and in workshops recently, and this is the stuff that ups their game instantly with no tactics or anything. I see this s t ALL THE TIME. It’s the BIGGEST and most COMMON problem I see after everyone I’ve met. This is some of the main stuff I focus on fixing when I’m in the field.

Almost EVERYONE I met so far screws up this s , and it totally f ks up their sarges.

If you do this, don’t feel bad. 99% of guys I meet do it to various extents (myself included).

This is the extension of the “10 alpha qualities” post, which was when I was first figuring out what this sh1t meant. Back then, I was just posting observations. This post contains conclusions, having now thought about it.

ERADICATE this s , and your game will go up B-I-G-T-I-M-E, more than ANY tactics will help you. This is part of what’s called being a “natural”. Even with nothing else, if you know this stuff you’ll do well socially, and probably get laid. This stuff is the KEY.

This stuff is only for people who play the REAL game, not the INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME. So guys who don’t actually PLAY can skip this, because there’s not much theory in it – its directly applicable.

1) FIDGETY MOVEMENTS AND TIGHT SHOULDERS AND TAKING YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY OR BEING TOO BUSINESSLIKE OR “SOPHISTICATED” (not laughing or being relaxed) = very visible subconsious (or conscious) self-doubt, overcompensating through non-relaxed state, where you’re prepared to deal with anything that could happen. Ever met someone who doesn’t blink when you talk to them?

2) TALKING TOO FAST = worried that people will stop listening to you unless you get out something that will interest them before they leave

3) LAUGHING AT YOUR OWN JOKES = covering up that you aren’t affected that others didn’t laugh, and social nervousness

4) SAYING “RIGHT” OR “YOU KNOW” AFTER STATEMENTS = seeking validation that what you said was true, or saying it because others aren’t

5) STANDING WITH LEGS NOT HALF A METER APART AT LEAST = worried that you’ll infringe on other people’s personal space

6) TALKING TOO SOFTLY OR LOUD = fear that you’ll impose yourself on people and their personal space(ie: beta).. alpha males aren’t afraid to project their voice.. YET, talking obviously too LOUD can also be seen as OVERCOMPENSATING. Just like guys who wear GENERIC clothes are trying to fit in, or guys who wear OUTRAGEOUS clothes are trying too hard to overcompensate. (hint: be careful with peacocking, find a style that doesn’t come off this way, which can be tricky but is still very doable).. Some guys don’t talk, some talk too much, etc etc.. Find appropriate balance through trial and error, which is determined through social observation,

7) MOVING YOUR HANDS AROUND WHILE YOU TALK = trying to keep the attention of the group (sometimes can be cool, but most often a form of qualifying yourself)

8) LEANING IN or ‘PECKING’ = too eager to talk.. NEVER lean in no matter how loud the environment is MAKE HER LEAN IN or just leave but NEVER lean in or “peck” as its also called.

9) FACING BODY/FEET TOWARDS HER BEFORE SHE EARNED IT = trying to gain rapport with her too eagerly.

10) CHASING WHEN SHE WALKS AWAY = hoping she’ll listen. If a chick moves away from you, move your bodylanguage MORE away from her, so she’ll be drawn back.. don’t CHASE her… WTF?!@?!?

11) NOT WITHDRAWING (backturns, etc) WHEN SHE DOES SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN’T TOLERATE FROM AN UGLY GIRL OR A GUY = trying too hard to pick her up

12) ANSWERING QUESTIONS TOO QUICKLY/EARLY = too much interest in the conversation

13) TURNING YOUR HEAD (OR “SNAPPING”) WHEN YOU’RE ADDRESSED = too eager to be in convo.. so if your head is facing the other direction, and a girl says something to you, turn it SLOWLY to her, don’t snap it out of eagerness to hear her

14) GOING BACK TO A PRIOR THREAD THAT WAS INTERUPTED AT THE FIRST CHANCE/BREAK-IN-CONVO THAT YOU GET = trying too hard to impress them.. (ie: when a thread gets broken off in the convo, and you go back to it FIRST chance you get when the other topic ends, you look like you were WAITING to get back to it.. WHY are you so eager to get back on it, unless you don’t feel comfortable around the person and you need to qualify yourself to them?) WAIT until THEY say “what was that you were saying before?”, and THEN go back to it.. if it doesn’t happen, DROP IT even if it was good.

15) NOT APPEARING MORE INTO YOUR WINGMAN THEN THE CHICK = trying too hard to pick her up.. you’ve known your wingman longer than her.. why do you pay more attention to her than your wing???

16) TOO EAGER TO PAY ATTENTION – SAYING “what?” IF YOU CAN’T HEAR HER, PRIOR TO BEING IN RAPPORT = too much interest in what she’s saying.. if she mumbles, just STACK OPENERS into an entirely DIFFERENT topic, RATHER than saying “what?” This is fucking KEY KEY KEY. If you say “what?” you’ll lose her unless you’re already past attraction and into rapport. If this happens, just run a new opener and change the topic. 1- you don’t look too eager, 2- you look alpha for being disinterested in what she’s talking about which helps anyway

17) REPLYING WITH OVERLY THOUGHT-OUT OF LOGICAL ANSWERS OR WITH OVERLY CLEAR/FORMAL PRONUNCIATION = being concerned that you won’t be accepted unless you convince really well (eg. HB: why did you ask me that… RIGHT = I’m talking. (sit and stare) WRONG = because I really need to know since I’ve been thinking about this for a while.. the FIRST one conveys that you won’t qualify yourself to her)

18) TAKING TOO MANY SENTENCES TO STATE AN IDEA THAT COULD BE STATED IN LESS SPACE = qualifying yourself. Commander Zap emails me a few months ago: “Remember TD, don’t write what you can say, don’t say what you can wink, don’t wink what you can smile” TIGHT. The shorter you can explain something in, the more PROFOUND you’ll appear. Why? You’re not qualifying yourself. (ironically I’m massively guilty of this, due to the fact that I post when I’m really tired – see #21 to spot what was wrong with this last sentence)

19) BEING BOLD INSTEAD OF CONFIDENT = that you know that you can’t pick her up, so you compensate with self-defeating actions so that the snub can be on “your terms”. Saying “I’m sexy right?” or “baby I want some of that” or even just approaching when the logistics are totally unrealistic is too eager, because a CONFIDENT person wouldn’t feel the NEED to say these kinds of things.. these things are symptoms of OVERCOMPENSATION for INSECURITIES.. which leads to……….

20) OVERCOMPENSATING INSECURITIES = fear of not being accepted. Have you ever met a janitor who the first thing he says is “money is over-rated.. I would never get caught up in the corporate world” blah blah.. if they’d have just said “I’m a janitor” and LEFT IT AT THAT we wouldn’t have even THOUGHT that anything was wrong with it.. but because they INSTANTLY start overcompensating, it comes off as overcompensating or qualifying. Same with if they BRING IT UP TOO EARLY. Like “hey, I’m Steve.. I’m a janitor and I love it”.. They’re TRYING to be cocky but it comes off as COMPENSATING. BE COMFORTABLE WITH YOURSELF. If you’re BALD, don’t say “would you love a bald man?” as a pickup line. It’s not COCKY…. its BOLD. If you’re bad looking, don’t say “don’t you think I’m sexy”. Just be comfortable with yourself, and don’t bring up the issue at all.

21) OVERCOMPENSATING FAILURE OR SHORTCOMINGS = fear of being judged.. if you do poorly on a presentation, or on a sarge in front of a wingman, or on a test, DO NOT SAY DUMB SHIT LIKE “I’m really tired”. EVEN IF you’re ACTUALLY really tired, the mere act of saying “I’m tired” comes off as QUALIFYING yourself to the person. Just don’t bring it up. If you have shitty clothes on, don’t say “I have nicer clothes at home.” Just don’t bring it up. If you meet a girl when you’re dressed bad, don’t say “I have the coolest club clothes at home” Just don’t bring it up.

22) GOING BACKWARDS IN THE PICKUP ON HER SCHEDULE = too eager to lay her.. if you’ve already GONE THROUGH the whole “let’s ballbust and shit test eachother” attraction phase of the pickup, and you’re now in RAPPORT -> if she tries to ballbust you at this point then just WITHDRAW ATTENTION. DO NOT BALLBUST BACK. It seems COUNTER INTUITIVE, but once you’ve gone through that whole little attract phase, and you’re now being nice to eachother in rapport, DO NOT let her rewind the sarge by answering her ballbusting with ballbusts of your own. Just withdraw attention, to show that you’re not interested in going BACKWARDS in a sarge.

23) WAITING FOR HER IF SHE LEAVES FOR ANY REASON (LIKE SAYS “I’M GOING TO THE WASHROOM, WAIT HERE) = too eager and into the convo.. if she goes to the washroom, make sure you’re into another set by the time she gets back.

24) OVERLY REMEMBERING DETAILS ABOUT PAST CONVOS = convo means too much to you, because the person has unusual value to you (ie: a hot chick). Of course, I’m not advocating to be a total dick, but the general rule of thumb is that if you wouldn’t have remembered a FAT CHICK or a GUY saying it, then don’t remember the HB9 chick saying it. If some random dude said it and you would have remembered, then FINE. If you were in an unusually intimate convo that’s also fine. But otherwise FAKE forgetting, even if she’s a model and you remember every word. Even forget her name. If you see a random chick from your class or work, but you never talked to her, OPEN LIKE YOU DON’T KNOW HER. Don’t give into the temptation to say “we work together”. Just open like a random chick, and maybe if you get snubbed then pull out that card to save face, but only as a LAST RESORT.

25) OFFERING TOO MUCH ABOUT YOURSELF TOO EARLY = too eager to make them like you.. subcategories of this are:

A) Verbally: if you say to a chick “yeah, I just got back from NYC (or any cool place that would impress)” or “yeah, I just got my Rolex fixed”, or “yeah, my stripper ex-girlfriend told me…” then she PICKS UP on the fact that you’re trying too hard to impress her.. Same with NAME DROPPING.. DON’T GIVE GIRLS YOUR RESUME TOO EARLY.. Personality conveying routines should convey personality COVERTLY, so it looks like the story is just SO COOL that its WORTH TELLING on its own accord, and it just HAPPENS to have some good things about you in it. When offering good things about yourself, don’t offer boring details. Say it with less detail, and it seems less eager. INSINUATE THAT WHICH YOU ARE TEMPTED TO ELICIDATE (holy shit, I just made up that last catchy sentence, but I’ve gotta say that I’m the shit.. right?)

B) Entertaining: If you have stuff like patterns, or the CUBE, or magic, or photos, or palmreading, and you do this EARLY, it comes off as TRY-HARD. Personally I don’t use any of these things, but alot of guys do, and when they bust them out prior to the chick EARNING it, it comes off TRY-HARD. Use the stuff LATER, but not right away.

C) Wanting rapport with someone who didn’t earn it: WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT??? I swear to god, almost EVERY PUA I meet live in field does this shit, and its SUPER LAME. Going up to a chick and saying “nice necklace” or “what’s your name” or “where did you get that?” is FUCKING DORK SUPER LAME. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE ABOUT THIS STUFF FROM A R-A-N-D-O-M PERSON????? The counter argument to this is that you’re not hiding your desires blah blah blah she’s a hot girl and she should be happy that you’re approaching, but this is INTERNET RHETORIC.. and this approach is STILL hiding your desires behind the GUISE that you’re nice, so even if the rhetoric was true, it would STILL be ineffective… In the INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME this stuff is FINE, but in the REAL FIELD GAME this shit screws you over before you’ve even started gaming. It’s fucking bullshit, and NOBODY who isn’t very goodlooking or socially proofed (or whatever high value) PRIOR to going in, can make this kind of approach work consistently on HB8.5+ chicks. TRYING FOR RAPPORT TOO EARLY IS QUALIFYING YOURSELF TO HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT EARNED IT.

D) Talking without feedback: When you’re talking to someone, and they don’t give feedback, and you’re talking and talking, you BETA YOURSELF. It’s a DOWNWARD SPIRAL, where you start talking TOO MUCH, and you SENSE that you’re qualifying yourself, so you overcompensate EVEN MORE by TALKING and TALKING more and more.. Then you feel more and more beta’ed because you qualified yourself, and you’re left treading water, grabbing at ANYTHING that will impress the person, so you keep talking in hopes of saying that one thing that will impress them. AVOID this by not talking too much unless THEY give some feedback. IN THE FIELD you do this by PAUSING and FORCING them to fill in the awkward gaps.

Tyler Durden”

I love cocky oldschool Tyler and his capital letter rants and emphasis on “REAL FIELD GAME” instead of “INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME” lol


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YaReally
on April 4th, 2016 at 9:11 am
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@The Jin
“I just said you have to be a little careful.”

You supported Ricky Raw’s opinion that “MM is designed to find damaged/bipolar/codependent chicks”. Can’t just throw accusations like that around and not expect anyone to call you on it.

“he is right that people can’t fix their underlyying issues by just becoming good at pick up”

Yes, we cover that in PUA. CONSTANTLY.

“MM techniques like negs, takeaways, shut downs for LMR etc do seem to work best on bipolar types, ime. You don’t need them with HSE types who are into you because you are going to fuck anyway.”

You’re showing fundamental misunderstanding of game. You’re still coming from the paradigm of “negs, takeaways and shut-downs for LMR” being bad things, they make girls feel BAD FEELZ so they are BAAAAD. Girls enjoy that shit, ESPECIALLY HSE girls because NO ONE teases a hot high-value girl and she is wired like every other girl underneath where she WANTS a guy who doesn’t take her seriously.

You’re coming from the frame that MM is about evil manipulation, so of course it works on LSE girls who you can ABUSE, like a MONSTER, and they’ll feel SO SHITTY about being such LOSERS that they chase you. It’s armchair shit. Hang out with HSE hot girls and you’ll find they love when you tease them and love that you’re hard to get and love the whole back and forth male/female mating dance of winning you over.

“You don’t need MM if your inner game is tight because you are going to do all those things automatically.”

O rly? You’re going to isolate a girl from her friends and how to befriend them all and deal with her jealous orbiter chode social circle friend automatically? You’re just going to “know” to do that? You’re going to “know” to not escalate too far when you don’t have a place to fuck so you don’t trigger ASD and end up with a flakey number? You’re going to just “know” to prevent and disarm Buyer’s Remorse after the lay? You’re going to just “know” how to keep an LTR solid because guys who have tight inner game don’t get divorce raped or cheated on or let themselves go in relationships?

Plenty of Naturals are dropping the bomb left and right out there, tons of great inner game but no training in the strategy side of things. Anyone who hangs with Naturals can confirm this. They make retarded mistakes all the time. A guy who’s not starting out as a Natural is going to make even more.

“You can learn all the steps by rote or you can fix the internals – either will work, but only one of them lasts. Learning a method alone just means you have to keep handcranking it.”

Cool, man. Here’s your new bootcamp student:

Let’s say his name is Bobby. Bobby is on the verge of suicide because he’s a virgin and hasn’t been touched by a woman his entire life. He’s coming to you for help because he knows learning steps by rote is foolish because even if it gets those girls into bed with him treating him like a human being that actually deserves a woman touching him in a non-friendzone-pose-for-the-camera way like this pic, he’ll have to keep handcranking it (because he can’t work on his inner-game down the road when he’s getting his dick wet, it’s one or the other).

What’s your gameplan for him to do this mystical “fix the internals” thing that’s going to get him those girls?

Climb a mountain living off the land in isolation? Build a billion dollar company and build Teslas? Hit the gym and get jacked? You said yourself “he is right that people can’t fix their underlyying issues by just becoming good at pick up. (Any more than they can fix their underlying issues by becoming rich or jacked or learning to paint or whatever”, and I agree with the part about rich jacked or learning to paint.

So let’s hear your plan. Ricky Raw says don’t learn that PUA shit, go study self-improvement on its own…fuck wanting to be touched or loved, just keep suffering in your loneliness while you read some Eckhart Tolle. And don’t you DARE read it with the intention of improving your inner mindsets while simultaneously acknowleding that having good mindsets is attractive to women, STAY AWAY FROM WOMEN And just focus on reading Eckhart Tolle until you’re magically fixed.

See we HAVE a plan for him. It’s: learn to understand social dynamics and study the tools that will help you succeed in social situations, then go out a shitload, pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone and teaching your brain that you’re capable of handling new and unfamiliar situations, as you rely on the step by step rote skillset you studied to guide you through these social situations and come out the other side of it feeling confident and capable and trusting in yourself, while simultaneously learning that rejection from women is okay and doesn’t define your worth as a person and not to take yourself or life too seriously as you enjoy flirting it up and make new friends and social circles full of quality people and build yourself a positive ecosystem of support, and, as you enjoy the women in your life, work on handling your inner game by checking out all that inner game woowoo shit and eventually round yourself out out.

Like Tyler says: “it’s funny how many awkward quirks and mysterious illnesses like depressed angry introverted suicidal fucking weirdo shit goes away when a guy starts getting his dick sucked by cute girls”

“Learning a method alone just means you have to keep handcranking it.”

And no one suggests learning a method alone. We always supplement inner game shit along with it.

“If you reread the book The Game, you will notice that every girl the PUAs get involved with is either a codependent or a pure narcissist”

Well shit, I’m convinced. Game works on LSE bar sluts, not HSE girls like this girl Janice from work who’s a unicorn. Haven’t heard that one before lol Ricky wants guys to just go find a unicorn and then “just be yourself”. Let’s see how that goes for the kid in the photo up above. God forbid that kid want to fuck one of the girls beside him or make any effort to learn how to demonstrate the high-value traits he has in him under all that social conditioning that has him standing there terrified to impose on their space.

“Mystery turned suicidal and totally lost it when his stripper girlfriend chose another PUA over him”

brb Tyson lost a fight, boxing not real, just go swing your arms around in the ring.

I’m being an asshole to you on purpose because when you turn guys away from information that can help them, you send them down the Elliot Rodger path:

Dude has SICK inner game…he thinks he’s the shit and way better than all the asshole jerk guys girls are fucking. Maybe if someone taught him how to socialize with women and go through some “rote steps” he might not have felt like his situation was hopeless.


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@The Jin
“I just said you have to be a little careful.”

You supported Ricky Raw’s opinion that “MM is designed to find damaged/bipolar/codependent chicks”. Can’t just throw accusations like that around and not expect anyone to call you on it.

“he is right that people can’t fix their underlyying issues by just becoming good at pick up”

Yes, we cover that in PUA. CONSTANTLY.

“MM techniques like negs, takeaways, shut downs for LMR etc do seem to work best on bipolar types, ime. You don’t need them with HSE types who are into you because you are going to fuck anyway.”

You’re showing fundamental misunderstanding of game. You’re still coming from the paradigm of “negs, takeaways and shut-downs for LMR” being bad things, they make girls feel BAD FEELZ so they are BAAAAD. Girls enjoy that shit, ESPECIALLY HSE girls because NO ONE teases a hot high-value girl and she is wired like every other girl underneath where she WANTS a guy who doesn’t take her seriously.

You’re coming from the frame that MM is about evil manipulation, so of course it works on LSE girls who you can ABUSE, like a MONSTER, and they’ll feel SO SHITTY about being such LOSERS that they chase you. It’s armchair shit. Hang out with HSE hot girls and you’ll find they love when you tease them and love that you’re hard to get and love the whole back and forth male/female mating dance of winning you over.

“You don’t need MM if your inner game is tight because you are going to do all those things automatically.”

O rly? You’re going to isolate a girl from her friends and how to befriend them all and deal with her jealous orbiter chode social circle friend automatically? You’re just going to “know” to do that? You’re going to “know” to not escalate too far when you don’t have a place to fuck so you don’t trigger ASD and end up with a flakey number? You’re going to just “know” to prevent and disarm Buyer’s Remorse after the lay? You’re going to just “know” how to keep an LTR solid because guys who have tight inner game don’t get divorce raped or cheated on or let themselves go in relationships?

Plenty of Naturals are dropping the bomb left and right out there, tons of great inner game but no training in the strategy side of things. Anyone who hangs with Naturals can confirm this. They make retarded mistakes all the time. A guy who’s not starting out as a Natural is going to make even more.

“You can learn all the steps by rote or you can fix the internals – either will work, but only one of them lasts. Learning a method alone just means you have to keep handcranking it.”

Cool, man. Here’s your new bootcamp student:

Let’s say his name is Bobby. Bobby is on the verge of suicide because he’s a virgin and hasn’t been touched by a woman his entire life. He’s coming to you for help because he knows learning steps by rote is foolish because even if it gets those girls into bed with him treating him like a human being that actually deserves a woman touching him in a non-friendzone-pose-for-the-camera way like this pic, he’ll have to keep handcranking it (because he can’t work on his inner-game down the road when he’s getting his dick wet, it’s one or the other).

What’s your gameplan for him to do this mystical “fix the internals” thing that’s going to get him those girls?

Climb a mountain living off the land in isolation? Build a billion dollar company and build Teslas? Hit the gym and get jacked? You said yourself “he is right that people can’t fix their underlyying issues by just becoming good at pick up. (Any more than they can fix their underlying issues by becoming rich or jacked or learning to paint or whatever”, and I agree with the part about rich jacked or learning to paint.

So let’s hear your plan. Ricky Raw says don’t learn that PUA shit, go study self-improvement on its own…fuck wanting to be touched or loved, just keep suffering in your loneliness while you read some Eckhart Tolle. And don’t you DARE read it with the intention of improving your inner mindsets while simultaneously acknowleding that having good mindsets is attractive to women, STAY AWAY FROM WOMEN And just focus on reading Eckhart Tolle until you’re magically fixed.

See we HAVE a plan for him. It’s: learn to understand social dynamics and study the tools that will help you succeed in social situations, then go out a shitload, pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone and teaching your brain that you’re capable of handling new and unfamiliar situations, as you rely on the step by step rote skillset you studied to guide you through these social situations and come out the other side of it feeling confident and capable and trusting in yourself, while simultaneously learning that rejection from women is okay and doesn’t define your worth as a person and not to take yourself or life too seriously as you enjoy flirting it up and make new friends and social circles full of quality people and build yourself a positive ecosystem of support, and, as you enjoy the women in your life, work on handling your inner game by checking out all that inner game woowoo shit and eventually round yourself out out.

Like Tyler says: “it’s funny how many awkward quirks and mysterious illnesses like depressed angry introverted suicidal fucking weirdo shit goes away when a guy starts getting his dick sucked by cute girls”

“Learning a method alone just means you have to keep handcranking it.”

And no one suggests learning a method alone. We always supplement inner game shit along with it.

“If you reread the book The Game, you will notice that every girl the PUAs get involved with is either a codependent or a pure narcissist”

Well shit, I’m convinced. Game works on LSE bar sluts, not HSE girls like this girl Janice from work who’s a unicorn. Haven’t heard that one before lol Ricky wants guys to just go find a unicorn and then “just be yourself”. Let’s see how that goes for the kid in the photo up above. God forbid that kid want to fuck one of the girls beside him or make any effort to learn how to demonstrate the high-value traits he has in him under all that social conditioning that has him standing there terrified to impose on their space.

“Mystery turned suicidal and totally lost it when his stripper girlfriend chose another PUA over him”

brb Tyson lost a fight, boxing not real, just go swing your arms around in the ring.

I’m being an asshole to you on purpose because when you turn guys away from information that can help them, you send them down the Elliot Rodger path:

Dude has SICK inner game…he thinks he’s the shit and way better than all the asshole jerk guys girls are fucking. Maybe if someone taught him how to socialize with women and go through some “rote steps” he might not have felt like his situation was hopeless.


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@scribblerg
“– Why do I give a shit? Because I believe this reinforces Beta, Blue Pill mythology that smart, Beta men are victims of women in our society. They feel “I worked hard at school and am so much smarter and worthy, making a huge contribution to society but those stupid cunts just want that dumb jock, Chad Thundercock, waaaahhh, the world is set against me.” It’s just a another expression of what I call “The Beta’s Lament” and there is a shitload of it expressed here and throughout the manosphere. This is more self-serving delusion and social-conditioning that doesn’t serve any of you to hold on to. ”

This is literally almost exactly the frustration Elliot Rodger naturally expresses in his own words in that video I linked. The first thing we do in pickup is make sure guys understand that it’s their presentation that sucks. It’s not that women are bitches, it’s not that life is unfair, it’s not that you’re inherently a worthless person, it’s that you just don’t know how to best present your high-value traits and don’t believe traits you have ARE high-value.

These guys are like “why won’t these customers buy this product that’s wrapped in old dirty newspapers and crumpled McDonalds napkins scotch-taped together?? Can’t they tell there’s an amazing product under it??” We’re telling them 1) you gotta market this shit better, and 2) your product could use some work ’cause ideally you should be able to get to a point where you CAN wrap it in old dirty newspapers and people will still want it.

“Being intelligent is an asset for developing social intelligence”

God yes. If you’re smart as fuck then you have CRAZY potential with game. Listen to Tyler or Mystery riff about game, their brains are like computers processing shit retarded fast. Ya, you might end up with more Approach Anxiety ’cause you’ll tend to over-analyze situations, but we try to teach guys to let loose and shut their brain off now and then. But overall, like, there’s a reason Mystery and Tyler weren’t just getting shitfaced, they were going out stone cold sober working on this shit. You WANT your brain to be firing on all cylinders. It’s a massive asset.

The reason smart guys don’t end up with social intelligence is because they don’t know you can fucking LEARN it.

EVERYTHING in society tells them “you either have it or you don’t” and “just be yourself”. Everyone in society will shame them for even ASKING for help. Girls read Cosmo at 14 and get tips on attracting men, but god forbid a guy look for resources to learn how to attract women. Because a guy looking for resources is, inherently, not a guy that’s “supposed” to reproduce. He’s not an alpha who just figured it out, so girls don’t WANT him to figure it out because it’s like “imposter genes” floating around out there and they can’t tell the difference. And guys don’t want the competiton, or are socially conditioned to think it’s weird/lame to learn how to socialize because they’re all socially conditioned too.

And that’s just socializing…that’s not even getting into how much bullshit Disney “love just HAPPENS” “love is eternal” “one-itis is good” conditioning is out there sending guys down the wrong path entirely. And then we have the Jezebel feminist imperitive and anti-game crew telling guys not to look at red pill or PUA shit because it’ll make them evil manipulators who only bang LSE bar sluts.

So why WOULD a guy look this stuff up? And that’s not even taking into account if that guy is doing something WITH all his intelligence, like an Elon Musk, where he doesn’t have TIME to go out and learn to excel at socializing or handle his stage fright when he gives his speeches or spot chicks that are going to divorce rape him or avoid becoming a supplicative chode that loses attraction and keeps getting married like an idiot etc.

Guys don’t realize this is something they can get better at. Tyler states all the time that the first big epiphany he had with game was that you can get BETTER at it. That it’s a skillset you can actually IMPROVE on.

And even when they DO learn about it, they don’t want to put in the field time to get better at it, they want to over-intellectualize and mentally masturbate online about “what WOULD work” and theories and shit instead of going out there and approaching a hot girl and her group. Or they theorize about how there’s no way it would work because in their opinion bla bla bla (when they have zero reference experience). Or they don’t want to risk an ego hit approaching and want to avoid bad feels because they’ve been coddled and taught that avoiding bad feels by throwing themselves into Netflix, videogames, porn, social media, etc is an acceptable way to live their life.

Intelligence is a MASSIVE asset to learning game. You think Tyler would be able to do shit like having this dolled up sober girl most guys wouldn’t approach, who’s with her MOM, mad at her mom for not letting her go home with Tyler, if he was dumb or drunk off his ass so his brain was shut down?:

Does this chick seem LSE? HSE girls LOVE HSE sober smart guys who can tease them and run intellectual circles around them. Because it’s SO RARE. When they meet an intelligent guy, he’s socially awkward like Elon Musk. When they meet a dumb but alpha guy, they love that he’s alpha but they wish he was more interesting to talk to where they can bring him out around their friends/family and know he’s going to impress them all instead of coming off as a dumb fuckboi.

The whole “girls don’t like smart guys” thing is the exact same shit as “oh I’m in introvert”. It’s just taking up a retarded victim identity because it’s a lot easier to pretend like you have some handicap that makes it impossible for you to succeed than it is to admit that you are too fucking LAZY to put the work in and to fucking SCARED to face the potential bad feels that hard work and putting your ego on the line requires.

@The Jin
“I can respond to your points”

So do it.


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@scribblerg
“– Why do I give a shit? Because I believe this reinforces Beta, Blue Pill mythology that smart, Beta men are victims of women in our society. They feel “I worked hard at school and am so much smarter and worthy, making a huge contribution to society but those stupid cunts just want that dumb jock, Chad Thundercock, waaaahhh, the world is set against me.” It’s just a another expression of what I call “The Beta’s Lament” and there is a shitload of it expressed here and throughout the manosphere. This is more self-serving delusion and social-conditioning that doesn’t serve any of you to hold on to. ”

This is literally almost exactly the frustration Elliot Rodger naturally expresses in his own words in that video I linked. The first thing we do in pickup is make sure guys understand that it’s their presentation that sucks. It’s not that women are bitches, it’s not that life is unfair, it’s not that you’re inherently a worthless person, it’s that you just don’t know how to best present your high-value traits and don’t believe traits you have ARE high-value.

These guys are like “why won’t these customers buy this product that’s wrapped in old dirty newspapers and crumpled McDonalds napkins scotch-taped together?? Can’t they tell there’s an amazing product under it??” We’re telling them 1) you gotta market this shit better, and 2) your product could use some work ’cause ideally you should be able to get to a point where you CAN wrap it in old dirty newspapers and people will still want it.

“Being intelligent is an asset for developing social intelligence”

God yes. If you’re smart as fuck then you have CRAZY potential with game. Listen to Tyler or Mystery riff about game, their brains are like computers processing shit retarded fast. Ya, you might end up with more Approach Anxiety ’cause you’ll tend to over-analyze situations, but we try to teach guys to let loose and shut their brain off now and then. But overall, like, there’s a reason Mystery and Tyler weren’t just getting shitfaced, they were going out stone cold sober working on this shit. You WANT your brain to be firing on all cylinders. It’s a massive asset.

The reason smart guys don’t end up with social intelligence is because they don’t know you can fucking LEARN it.

EVERYTHING in society tells them “you either have it or you don’t” and “just be yourself”. Everyone in society will shame them for even ASKING for help. Girls read Cosmo at 14 and get tips on attracting men, but god forbid a guy look for resources to learn how to attract women. Because a guy looking for resources is, inherently, not a guy that’s “supposed” to reproduce. He’s not an alpha who just figured it out, so girls don’t WANT him to figure it out because it’s like “imposter genes” floating around out there and they can’t tell the difference. And guys don’t want the competiton, or are socially conditioned to think it’s weird/lame to learn how to socialize because they’re all socially conditioned too.

And that’s just socializing…that’s not even getting into how much bullshit Disney “love just HAPPENS” “love is eternal” “one-itis is good” conditioning is out there sending guys down the wrong path entirely. And then we have the Jezebel feminist imperitive and anti-game crew telling guys not to look at red pill or PUA shit because it’ll make them evil manipulators who only bang LSE bar sluts.

So why WOULD a guy look this stuff up? And that’s not even taking into account if that guy is doing something WITH all his intelligence, like an Elon Musk, where he doesn’t have TIME to go out and learn to excel at socializing or handle his stage fright when he gives his speeches or spot chicks that are going to divorce rape him or avoid becoming a supplicative chode that loses attraction and keeps getting married like an idiot etc.

Guys don’t realize this is something they can get better at. Tyler states all the time that the first big epiphany he had with game was that you can get BETTER at it. That it’s a skillset you can actually IMPROVE on.

And even when they DO learn about it, they don’t want to put in the field time to get better at it, they want to over-intellectualize and mentally masturbate online about “what WOULD work” and theories and shit instead of going out there and approaching a hot girl and her group. Or they theorize about how there’s no way it would work because in their opinion bla bla bla (when they have zero reference experience). Or they don’t want to risk an ego hit approaching and want to avoid bad feels because they’ve been coddled and taught that avoiding bad feels by throwing themselves into Netflix, videogames, porn, social media, etc is an acceptable way to live their life.

Intelligence is a MASSIVE asset to learning game. You think Tyler would be able to do shit like having this dolled up sober girl most guys wouldn’t approach, who’s with her MOM, mad at her mom for not letting her go home with Tyler, if he was dumb or drunk off his ass so his brain was shut down?:

Does this chick seem LSE? HSE girls LOVE HSE sober smart guys who can tease them and run intellectual circles around them. Because it’s SO RARE. When they meet an intelligent guy, he’s socially awkward like Elon Musk. When they meet a dumb but alpha guy, they love that he’s alpha but they wish he was more interesting to talk to where they can bring him out around their friends/family and know he’s going to impress them all instead of coming off as a dumb fuckboi.

The whole “girls don’t like smart guys” thing is the exact same shit as “oh I’m in introvert”. It’s just taking up a retarded victim identity because it’s a lot easier to pretend like you have some handicap that makes it impossible for you to succeed than it is to admit that you are too fucking LAZY to put the work in and to fucking SCARED to face the potential bad feels that hard work and putting your ego on the line requires.

@The Jin
“I can respond to your points”

So do it.


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@The Jin
“I did say you aren’t reading what I write and aren’t responding to it properly, and you’ve responded to that simple two sentence observation…by not reading THAT and not responding properly.”

So clarify. I responded to what you wrote. If you don’t like my response, clarify your position better or provide rebuttals instead of this “you didn’t respond properly, try to guess what I want you to write before I write my reply” stuff.


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@The Jin
“I did say you aren’t reading what I write and aren’t responding to it properly, and you’ve responded to that simple two sentence observation…by not reading THAT and not responding properly.”

So clarify. I responded to what you wrote. If you don’t like my response, clarify your position better or provide rebuttals instead of this “you didn’t respond properly, try to guess what I want you to write before I write my reply” stuff.


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@The Jin
“Ok, please just read my original comments”

I read them the first time. You linked Ricky Raw’s inaccurate take on PUA, and then you wrote shit like this:

“MM techniques like negs, takeaways, shut downs for LMR etc do seem to work best on bipolar types, ime. You don’t need them with HSE types who are into you because you are going to fuck anyway. You don’t need MM if your inner game is tight because you are going to do all those things automatically. You don’t have to go through a TD checklist because you are already taking up room, already talking slow and even, already dominating the social discourse etc i.e. you are a natural.”

And shit like this:

“You can learn all the steps by rote or you can fix the internals – either will work, but only one of them lasts. Learning a method alone just means you have to keep handcranking it.”

And quoted shit like this:

“If you reread the book The Game, you will notice that every girl the PUAs get involved with is either a codependent or a pure narcissist”

“Mystery turned suicidal and totally lost it when his stripper girlfriend chose another PUA over him””

…which is all wrong, and I explained in-depth why it’s wrong and the consequences of spreading wrong bullshit like that on the guys who are looking for help.


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@The Jin
“Ok, please just read my original comments”

I read them the first time. You linked Ricky Raw’s inaccurate take on PUA, and then you wrote shit like this:

“MM techniques like negs, takeaways, shut downs for LMR etc do seem to work best on bipolar types, ime. You don’t need them with HSE types who are into you because you are going to fuck anyway. You don’t need MM if your inner game is tight because you are going to do all those things automatically. You don’t have to go through a TD checklist because you are already taking up room, already talking slow and even, already dominating the social discourse etc i.e. you are a natural.”

And shit like this:

“You can learn all the steps by rote or you can fix the internals – either will work, but only one of them lasts. Learning a method alone just means you have to keep handcranking it.”

And quoted shit like this:

“If you reread the book The Game, you will notice that every girl the PUAs get involved with is either a codependent or a pure narcissist”

“Mystery turned suicidal and totally lost it when his stripper girlfriend chose another PUA over him””

…which is all wrong, and I explained in-depth why it’s wrong and the consequences of spreading wrong bullshit like that on the guys who are looking for help.


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Did someone leave a gate open today or something?

@The Jin
“He has Mystery and Strauss personalities down cold.”

And that part is fine, everyone knows Mystery has issues, it was on page one of the book. But that doesn’t mean that Mystery Method was designed for LSE bipolar girls or that guys learning Mystery Method will be going for LSE bipolar girls, which is what Ricky Raw says and you are throwing your hat in to support.

“Its absolutely correct that you don’t need MM if your inner game is tight. Or did people not have sex before late 2003?”

Everyone who has sex is running Mystery Method, except in the case of rape. Allow me to explain:

“Or are you really telling me you’ve never just met someone, liked each other and gone off to fuck?”

You mean the chick views me as attractive/having value in some way (A1), and is into me (A2), and I’m into her (A3), and we connect (C1), then go off to fuck (C2 – S3)? Yes, I HAVE done that. So did most of civilization. That’s what Mystery Method breaks down in detail.

If your assertion is that “MM tends to work best on biopolar types”, and MM is the reverse engineering in-depth breakdown of how people go from meet to fuck, then by your own logic your grandpa was fucking biopolar LSE girls and all those 6 billion humans were from guys hooking up with bipolar LSE girls. Because those guys were all executing Mystery Method even if they didn’t do it consciously.

“But I didn’t slate PUA in general, I raised a note of caution about MM in particular”

And I countered that, because your note of caution is inaccurate. MM was not designed for LSE chicks, if you went out and spent time around HSE girls you would see that they love the shit in MM because MM is the breakdown of how attraction/seduction work in nature, not keyboard jockey theory about what “should” happen or how to “trick” girls.

“you are addressing my comments at the level of where they might lead to for some imaginary newb or something rather than just at their actual level.”

Yes, because your assertions are wrong and lead “imaginary newbs” (aka guys reading this site, do you think this site only has the 30-ish guys that comment here reading it?) away from useful information and down a shitty path that will lead to frustration.

@fleezer
“at that age attraction is based on different shit. shit that can’t be learned or figured out or reverse engineered.”

Ahh, I forgot, it’s just magic. Also marketing doesn’t work when you’re 15, when you turn 16 that’s when marketing suddenly magically works. NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN why a 15yo buys one product over another, IT’S MAGIC. You are spouting woowoo because from your other writing you idolize young chicks as magic unicorns.

“any older guy willing to learn and sarge can run circles around every 15 year old guy in just about every social situation, but at that age it doesn’t matter”

brb, 15yo girls don’t want to fuck their teachers or high-value alpha guys. Whether they have ACCESS to fucking those guys is a different story…if they don’t then of course they’re going to fuck the guys around them.


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Did someone leave a gate open today or something?

@The Jin
“He has Mystery and Strauss personalities down cold.”

And that part is fine, everyone knows Mystery has issues, it was on page one of the book. But that doesn’t mean that Mystery Method was designed for LSE bipolar girls or that guys learning Mystery Method will be going for LSE bipolar girls, which is what Ricky Raw says and you are throwing your hat in to support.

“Its absolutely correct that you don’t need MM if your inner game is tight. Or did people not have sex before late 2003?”

Everyone who has sex is running Mystery Method, except in the case of rape. Allow me to explain:

“Or are you really telling me you’ve never just met someone, liked each other and gone off to fuck?”

You mean the chick views me as attractive/having value in some way (A1), and is into me (A2), and I’m into her (A3), and we connect (C1), then go off to fuck (C2 – S3)? Yes, I HAVE done that. So did most of civilization. That’s what Mystery Method breaks down in detail.

If your assertion is that “MM tends to work best on biopolar types”, and MM is the reverse engineering in-depth breakdown of how people go from meet to fuck, then by your own logic your grandpa was fucking biopolar LSE girls and all those 6 billion humans were from guys hooking up with bipolar LSE girls. Because those guys were all executing Mystery Method even if they didn’t do it consciously.

“But I didn’t slate PUA in general, I raised a note of caution about MM in particular”

And I countered that, because your note of caution is inaccurate. MM was not designed for LSE chicks, if you went out and spent time around HSE girls you would see that they love the shit in MM because MM is the breakdown of how attraction/seduction work in nature, not keyboard jockey theory about what “should” happen or how to “trick” girls.

“you are addressing my comments at the level of where they might lead to for some imaginary newb or something rather than just at their actual level.”

Yes, because your assertions are wrong and lead “imaginary newbs” (aka guys reading this site, do you think this site only has the 30-ish guys that comment here reading it?) away from useful information and down a shitty path that will lead to frustration.

@fleezer
“at that age attraction is based on different shit. shit that can’t be learned or figured out or reverse engineered.”

Ahh, I forgot, it’s just magic. Also marketing doesn’t work when you’re 15, when you turn 16 that’s when marketing suddenly magically works. NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN why a 15yo buys one product over another, IT’S MAGIC. You are spouting woowoo because from your other writing you idolize young chicks as magic unicorns.

“any older guy willing to learn and sarge can run circles around every 15 year old guy in just about every social situation, but at that age it doesn’t matter”

brb, 15yo girls don’t want to fuck their teachers or high-value alpha guys. Whether they have ACCESS to fucking those guys is a different story…if they don’t then of course they’re going to fuck the guys around them.


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“I said it seems to work best on those types of girls, ime.”

And you are wrong. Because you fundamentally don’t understand Mystery Method or how/why those things work and why they work better on HSE girls instead of LSE ones. You don’t Neg an LSE girl, you Neg a girl with HSE.

“Then you sort of try and mangle the MM formula to justify none MM relationships,”

If by “mangle”, you mean “actually understand it”, then yes that’s what I’m doing.

“and then you do the not quite but implicit accusations of keyboard jockeying etc. Tiresome.”

If you would write shit that actually aligns with what happens infield, I wouldn’t make that accusation. But you don’t, you’re waxing armchair theory.

“because your internal motor will work to lead you towards your goals.”

Hang out with Naturals who have rock solid internals and still fuck up a bunch. This is mystical woowoo shit. “If you just feel good it’ll magically happen”. Again Elliot Rodgers had GREAT internals, he thought he was the king of the world.

“I also fail to see how saying MM works, but be careful”

You haven’t established anything to “be careful” of except a wrong assertion that MM is designed for LSE bipolar girls.

“but they are better off using more modern PUA and also working on their inner issues leads people down the wrong path.”

Because Mystery Method is the most accurate in-depth breakdown of seduction there is, and steering guys away from that useful resource adds years of frustration and confusion to their learning curve. They end up having to rediscover shit the hard way that’s laid out in Mystery Method sitting right there for them to learn on day one if guys like you and Ricky Raw didn’t warn them away from it with incorrect boogeyman shit like “it’s for LSE bipolar girls” which makes those guys go “oh well then I won’t check it out because I don’t want LSE bipolar girls”.

“Again, you keep reading into things which are not there.”

Again, you keep saying stupid shit. Restating inaccurate shit doesn’t make it suddenly accurate. You and Ricky are talking out your asses about Mystery Method and every response you write just demonstrates how you fundamentally don’t understand what MM is or what it’s teaching.

@Scray @The Jin
“yes, some chicks don’t make you wait at all”

Even then it doesn’t matter, it’s still following A1-S3 even if it happens REALLY fucking fast. When you go up and say “hi” and instant-makeout, you’ve A1’ed (DHV’ed) enough in that short window that she’s got enough A2 (female to male interest) to be receptive/complaint to your A3 (initiating the makeout) even though that happened in 2 seconds. If you didn’t have A2, she would reject the kiss. If you didn’t A1, you wouldn’t have A2. From there it’s C1-C3 (buiding comfort where you meet to building comfort in isolation) which again can be as simple as “you’re cute (qualifying her), wanna get out of here? (isolation to privacy so you can fuck)”, and from there S1-S3 is self-explanatory.

Now you MIGHT meet a girl who just sucks your dick in front of her friends, or doesn’t care about feeling like a special flower because you’ve DHV’ed so much that she’s happy to get railed on any terms (like a fangirl fucking a rockstar), but even in those cases the first girl has enough Comfort with you and her ASD is low enough for whatever reason (like being an exhibitionist, or knowing her friends won’t judge her, or being in an environment where sex in front of them is fine) so you’re still achieving Comfort even if it’s not you doing all the work. And the second girl gets Comfort from being a fangirl and listening to your song about how baby you’re the only one for me bla bla and thinking she might be that one.

You can fuck a girl who you can’t even talk to, like a foreign chick where you don’t speak the same language, but even THEN you’re going to be making her feel Comfort through your subcommunications (eye-contact, smile, touch, etc).

She’s not going to fuck you if she doesn’t feel Comfortable with you, and she’s not going to give a shit about feeling Comfortable with you if she isn’t Attracted to you, and she isn’t going to be Attracted to you if you don’t have value to her whether you consciously demonstrate it or happen to passively demonstrate it or accidentally fake it in the moment.

A1-S3 is the reverse engineering of seduction, conscious or unconscious, 7 seconds or 7 hours or 7 dates or 7 months. This is how shit WORKS.

“but more importantly, statements like the one above just showcase either a complete separation between analyzing what occurs in these situations after experiencing them….or just never having actually experienced much of these situs.”

This. Like I say: keyboard jockey armchair theory bullshit.

@Forge the Sky
“while also recognizing that someone using it – such as its originator – could be filtering for LSE girls in subtle ways.”

My issue from the start has been the statement that “MM is designed to find damaged/bipolar/codependent chicks”. That’s not what it’s designed for, just like if a martial artist goes on a killing spree it doesn’t mean martial arts aren’t designed for self-defense.

“And maybe even if they’re closed to it at first after they get some success with girls or whatever and they still feel empty just like I predicted they’ll be more open to listening.”

This is my point. Ricky Raw’s idea is basically: “if you’re going to focus on self-development, focus on THAT alone, not women, or you’ll end up just self-developing to get women and that’s the worst thing in the world because you’ll never be able to work on self-development down the road when your dick is finally wet and you finally feel like you aren’t going to die alone”. I have issues with that thinking, because that thinking doesn’t help anyone and promoting that idea (pushing guys away from stuff like Mystery Method with boogeyman bullshit about how it’s going to get them LSE bipolar girls) will send guys down paths that take them longer to get this shit handled.


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“I said it seems to work best on those types of girls, ime.”

And you are wrong. Because you fundamentally don’t understand Mystery Method or how/why those things work and why they work better on HSE girls instead of LSE ones. You don’t Neg an LSE girl, you Neg a girl with HSE.

“Then you sort of try and mangle the MM formula to justify none MM relationships,”

If by “mangle”, you mean “actually understand it”, then yes that’s what I’m doing.

“and then you do the not quite but implicit accusations of keyboard jockeying etc. Tiresome.”

If you would write shit that actually aligns with what happens infield, I wouldn’t make that accusation. But you don’t, you’re waxing armchair theory.

“because your internal motor will work to lead you towards your goals.”

Hang out with Naturals who have rock solid internals and still fuck up a bunch. This is mystical woowoo shit. “If you just feel good it’ll magically happen”. Again Elliot Rodgers had GREAT internals, he thought he was the king of the world.

“I also fail to see how saying MM works, but be careful”

You haven’t established anything to “be careful” of except a wrong assertion that MM is designed for LSE bipolar girls.

“but they are better off using more modern PUA and also working on their inner issues leads people down the wrong path.”

Because Mystery Method is the most accurate in-depth breakdown of seduction there is, and steering guys away from that useful resource adds years of frustration and confusion to their learning curve. They end up having to rediscover shit the hard way that’s laid out in Mystery Method sitting right there for them to learn on day one if guys like you and Ricky Raw didn’t warn them away from it with incorrect boogeyman shit like “it’s for LSE bipolar girls” which makes those guys go “oh well then I won’t check it out because I don’t want LSE bipolar girls”.

“Again, you keep reading into things which are not there.”

Again, you keep saying stupid shit. Restating inaccurate shit doesn’t make it suddenly accurate. You and Ricky are talking out your asses about Mystery Method and every response you write just demonstrates how you fundamentally don’t understand what MM is or what it’s teaching.

@Scray @The Jin
“yes, some chicks don’t make you wait at all”

Even then it doesn’t matter, it’s still following A1-S3 even if it happens REALLY fucking fast. When you go up and say “hi” and instant-makeout, you’ve A1’ed (DHV’ed) enough in that short window that she’s got enough A2 (female to male interest) to be receptive/complaint to your A3 (initiating the makeout) even though that happened in 2 seconds. If you didn’t have A2, she would reject the kiss. If you didn’t A1, you wouldn’t have A2. From there it’s C1-C3 (buiding comfort where you meet to building comfort in isolation) which again can be as simple as “you’re cute (qualifying her), wanna get out of here? (isolation to privacy so you can fuck)”, and from there S1-S3 is self-explanatory.

Now you MIGHT meet a girl who just sucks your dick in front of her friends, or doesn’t care about feeling like a special flower because you’ve DHV’ed so much that she’s happy to get railed on any terms (like a fangirl fucking a rockstar), but even in those cases the first girl has enough Comfort with you and her ASD is low enough for whatever reason (like being an exhibitionist, or knowing her friends won’t judge her, or being in an environment where sex in front of them is fine) so you’re still achieving Comfort even if it’s not you doing all the work. And the second girl gets Comfort from being a fangirl and listening to your song about how baby you’re the only one for me bla bla and thinking she might be that one.

You can fuck a girl who you can’t even talk to, like a foreign chick where you don’t speak the same language, but even THEN you’re going to be making her feel Comfort through your subcommunications (eye-contact, smile, touch, etc).

She’s not going to fuck you if she doesn’t feel Comfortable with you, and she’s not going to give a shit about feeling Comfortable with you if she isn’t Attracted to you, and she isn’t going to be Attracted to you if you don’t have value to her whether you consciously demonstrate it or happen to passively demonstrate it or accidentally fake it in the moment.

A1-S3 is the reverse engineering of seduction, conscious or unconscious, 7 seconds or 7 hours or 7 dates or 7 months. This is how shit WORKS.

“but more importantly, statements like the one above just showcase either a complete separation between analyzing what occurs in these situations after experiencing them….or just never having actually experienced much of these situs.”

This. Like I say: keyboard jockey armchair theory bullshit.

@Forge the Sky
“while also recognizing that someone using it – such as its originator – could be filtering for LSE girls in subtle ways.”

My issue from the start has been the statement that “MM is designed to find damaged/bipolar/codependent chicks”. That’s not what it’s designed for, just like if a martial artist goes on a killing spree it doesn’t mean martial arts aren’t designed for self-defense.

“And maybe even if they’re closed to it at first after they get some success with girls or whatever and they still feel empty just like I predicted they’ll be more open to listening.”

This is my point. Ricky Raw’s idea is basically: “if you’re going to focus on self-development, focus on THAT alone, not women, or you’ll end up just self-developing to get women and that’s the worst thing in the world because you’ll never be able to work on self-development down the road when your dick is finally wet and you finally feel like you aren’t going to die alone”. I have issues with that thinking, because that thinking doesn’t help anyone and promoting that idea (pushing guys away from stuff like Mystery Method with boogeyman bullshit about how it’s going to get them LSE bipolar girls) will send guys down paths that take them longer to get this shit handled.


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“Never gone around a club kissing all the girls? That doesnt happen often, but if you go out enough it does every now and then, you start with one and then chain the rest, they line up.”

So you take a girl you have value to (A1) so she has female to male interest (A2), go for the makeout (A3) which because you have A2 she’s down for, and then that preselection you’re demonstrating (AKA DHV’ING) to the rest of the room has the other girls interested in you (A2) so that you can go for the makeout (A3) with them?

OH SHIT IT’S MYSTERY METHOD.

“but you can usually pull one of them home at the death anyway.”

You mean the one you pick out as special over the other girls (qualifying her, aka A3 HOLY SHIT IT’S MYSTERY METHOD).

“It’ll be with one you don’t really talk to until afterwards”

You mean ignore the target?

HOLY SHIT IT’S MYSTERY METHOD.

“Or maybe she gives you a handie in a corner or blowie in the toilets or w/e.”

You mean in the corner or the toilets? Why, that sounds like ISOLATION. HOLY SHIT, IT’S MYSTERY METHOD.

“but they do happen and they don’t follow the MM pattern unless you are wanting to break it to the point of pedantry”

Yes they do, but you don’t understand Mystery Method so you don’t get it. That’s why I have to explain it in pedantic baby steps, because you are saying inaccurate shit.

“Which yareally is going to do, probably. “oh she got comfort from the social group and connection from the venue and social proof and you leveraged a pivot and lead her imagination by being bold and and”.”

Yes, I AM going to do that. Because THAT IS THE THING THAT IS HAPPENING. Just because you think surface level and don’t really understand shit doesn’t mean that it isn’t going on. If you don’t understand gravity that doesn’t mean you can fucking fly.

“his inability to read what’s in front of him is irritating me a lil.”

Your inability to not be a retard is irritating me a lil.

“You don’t get to that instinctual level by modelling up, it was already in there anyway, you just got yourself out of your own way so it could happen. You get there by going out a shitload.”

Going out and doing what? RUNNING GAME? huh…if only there was some kind of guide to increase your odds of successfully running game when you go out.

Read Rollo’s reply.


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“Never gone around a club kissing all the girls? That doesnt happen often, but if you go out enough it does every now and then, you start with one and then chain the rest, they line up.”

So you take a girl you have value to (A1) so she has female to male interest (A2), go for the makeout (A3) which because you have A2 she’s down for, and then that preselection you’re demonstrating (AKA DHV’ING) to the rest of the room has the other girls interested in you (A2) so that you can go for the makeout (A3) with them?

OH SHIT IT’S MYSTERY METHOD.

“but you can usually pull one of them home at the death anyway.”

You mean the one you pick out as special over the other girls (qualifying her, aka A3 HOLY SHIT IT’S MYSTERY METHOD).

“It’ll be with one you don’t really talk to until afterwards”

You mean ignore the target?

HOLY SHIT IT’S MYSTERY METHOD.

“Or maybe she gives you a handie in a corner or blowie in the toilets or w/e.”

You mean in the corner or the toilets? Why, that sounds like ISOLATION. HOLY SHIT, IT’S MYSTERY METHOD.

“but they do happen and they don’t follow the MM pattern unless you are wanting to break it to the point of pedantry”

Yes they do, but you don’t understand Mystery Method so you don’t get it. That’s why I have to explain it in pedantic baby steps, because you are saying inaccurate shit.

“Which yareally is going to do, probably. “oh she got comfort from the social group and connection from the venue and social proof and you leveraged a pivot and lead her imagination by being bold and and”.”

Yes, I AM going to do that. Because THAT IS THE THING THAT IS HAPPENING. Just because you think surface level and don’t really understand shit doesn’t mean that it isn’t going on. If you don’t understand gravity that doesn’t mean you can fucking fly.

“his inability to read what’s in front of him is irritating me a lil.”

Your inability to not be a retard is irritating me a lil.

“You don’t get to that instinctual level by modelling up, it was already in there anyway, you just got yourself out of your own way so it could happen. You get there by going out a shitload.”

Going out and doing what? RUNNING GAME? huh…if only there was some kind of guide to increase your odds of successfully running game when you go out.

Read Rollo’s reply.


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“It seems to work **best** on bipolar/drama type chicks IME”

And you are WRONG no matter how many stars your surround your inaccuracy with. Go hit on higher quality HSE women and you’ll see that it works just the same if not better on them because only a high-value guy CAN treat them like MM says to. MM contains calibrating to the different types of girls (ie – don’t Neg a 7, don’t punish a girl who isn’t shit-testing you, switch to Comfort when you have Attraction established whether you get it immediately or an hour into the set, etc).

You don’t understand MM.


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“It seems to work **best** on bipolar/drama type chicks IME”

And you are WRONG no matter how many stars your surround your inaccuracy with. Go hit on higher quality HSE women and you’ll see that it works just the same if not better on them because only a high-value guy CAN treat them like MM says to. MM contains calibrating to the different types of girls (ie – don’t Neg a 7, don’t punish a girl who isn’t shit-testing you, switch to Comfort when you have Attraction established whether you get it immediately or an hour into the set, etc).

You don’t understand MM.


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@Andy
“Red Pill is knowing GOING IN to that situation that the Disney fantasy of relationships doesn’t exist. There is no ONE. While you may always have a special respect for your baby Mamma, any reciprocal feelings are conditional… IMO you can still get what you want out of life as long as what you want is realistic.”

This. It’s fine to enter a risky business contract if you fully understand the risks and feel like you can execute the actions that you understand are required to minimize the risk.

Like I can take a loan with a scary interest rate if I know with absolute certainty that I’m very likely going to be able to pay it back before I have to worry about that. It’s not necessarily a SMART move, but if that loan will get me to a goal of mine then it may be worth the risk especially if I do my homework and cover my bases to prevent those risks from being an issue.

Similarly, I can enter an LTR if I know with absolute certainty that I’m very likely going to be able to keep triggering her Hypergamy and/or have my ass covered from divorce-rape and losing my assets/kids etc which is the type of situation Rollo is in (his job involves soft dread, this site triggers leader of men, bla bla which all triggers Hypergamy, plus he selected for a girl who wasn’t brought up in this social media ADD culture since he’s older etc etc).


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“Red Pill is knowing GOING IN to that situation that the Disney fantasy of relationships doesn’t exist. There is no ONE. While you may always have a special respect for your baby Mamma, any reciprocal feelings are conditional… IMO you can still get what you want out of life as long as what you want is realistic.”

This. It’s fine to enter a risky business contract if you fully understand the risks and feel like you can execute the actions that you understand are required to minimize the risk.

Like I can take a loan with a scary interest rate if I know with absolute certainty that I’m very likely going to be able to pay it back before I have to worry about that. It’s not necessarily a SMART move, but if that loan will get me to a goal of mine then it may be worth the risk especially if I do my homework and cover my bases to prevent those risks from being an issue.

Similarly, I can enter an LTR if I know with absolute certainty that I’m very likely going to be able to keep triggering her Hypergamy and/or have my ass covered from divorce-rape and losing my assets/kids etc which is the type of situation Rollo is in (his job involves soft dread, this site triggers leader of men, bla bla which all triggers Hypergamy, plus he selected for a girl who wasn’t brought up in this social media ADD culture since he’s older etc etc).


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“I’m wrong about my own experience am I?”


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“I’m wrong about my own experience am I?”


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@fleezer
“tell me again how a preinternet 12 year old with zero game has anything but his genes and some magic to make that happen”

He’s running A1-S3 even if it’s not consciously. He’s not fucking girls without them feeling Comfortable or them having interest in him (A2), which happens when he has some kind of value to them (A1) even if it’s the chick’s weird value system instead of society’s standard value system. etc etc

“I believe in game and in magic because I see them both.”

I question your capacity to see shit through a game lens. Again this comes down to not understanding game. A blue pill AFC living at the Playboy Mansion is going to see shit through a blue pill lens.

“because you can’t stop them from doing what they want. if you had experience with them you’d know that.”

…so I guess the whole “law” thing making it a bad idea for the teacher to fuck an underage girl doesn’t come into play. Or the guy not wanting to fuck his daughter’s friend because it’s too creepy to him. Or the girl having zero social approval to fuck him. etc etc

“because she chose him over all others for reasons unknown”

You not knowing something doesn’t make something unknown. You are super heavily invested in believing that underage girls are magic unicorns. All behavior is explainable, human beings don’t just do completely random shit. There’s a reason that 15yo girl is wearing brand name clothing and eating brand name food and carrying a brand name phone and follows celebrity gossip. Companies and celebrities spend millions of dollars a year on marketing because human psychology is not “magic”, even in your unicorns.

“because as they say, “old people are gross””

Is that what’s happening to you now? Is that why you’re so invested in this? lol Like how kids these days don’t appreciate REAL music like in the 60s, no you don’t understand it was DIFFERENT then, it was MAGICAL, you kids these days just don’t know the magic of the time back then.

“the shit that signals high value is different too”

So what you’re saying is that the guys are signaling high-value to the girls. OH SHIT THAT’S GAME.

“it can’t be learned or bought”

MAGIC!

“you know you can manipulate their moods and emotions to achieve a goal. not the case with the young ones though”

Do you even read the things you write? You are seriously asserting that a teenage girl’s emotions and mood can’t be manipulated to achieve a goal? Do you think Justin Beiber is just a REALLY AMAZING SINGER?

You are heavily bought into your magic unicorn beliefs. I’m sorry girls are calling you old now and you’re jealous of these young dudes who are unconsciously stumbling into DHV’ing to the girls (based on the girl’s value system) and in ways that you don’t get or can’t achieve yourself these days, but that doesn’t change how human psychology works.

“not everything can be reduced to an algorithm or a marketing presentation. life would really suck if it could.”

Is that why you’re so bought into this? Because the idea that human beings are predictable is too depressing to you?

“must have really sucked not to taste it.”

You keep going back to the “nyah nyah you didn’t fuck a 12 year old” thing like it’s supposed to bother me but it doesn’t lol Like, it’s a little creepy to me to be honest. Virgin pussy isn’t any better than any other pussy lol …unless you believe in unicorns.

“I believe in magic because I’ve experienced a lot of magical stuff.”

“when I think about it, some of the best shit ever has happened unplanned. it’s called improvisation and living in the moment and that can’t be reduced to rote and taught. when you run routines life is routine”

Are you done with your woowoo speech, Oprah?

“I can’t think of a single instance in a single industry where a guy with advanced knowledge gave away his trade secrets for free. usually it’s nothing but disinformation and bad leads, but your shit undoubtedly works so thanks again. you might be the only nonprofit value adding guy in history.”

Nah, there’s lots of us. Especially in the PUA/Red Pill community.

@Pallaeon
“MM spends so much time talking about routines and going indirect, but not enough time explicitly saying “yeah you can actually skip all the stories and open with a kiss over your sub comms are tight enough.””

Because when you’re new you’re not going to have good subcomms and you’re just going to get a shitload of rejections (except for when the girl is initially attracted to your looks (A1)) because you haven’t learned how to spark Attraction yet. Learn how to DHV, get A2, qualify her, and THEN go on your kiss them all mission, where you’re actually going to get success.

@Scray
“i mean the implication here is that MM screens FOR BPD. but now you’re saying that it works BEST on BPD chicks but also works generally.”

It doesn’t even hold up with the qualifier because MM is about calibration. MM is not “neg the girl”, MM is “neg the girl IF she’s above a 7 and is acting bratty”. So when someone says “MM works on X type of girl”, it’s an instant indicator that they haven’t actually learned what MM is about because if you have X type of girl you use the calibration in MM to know what parts of it to use, so you wouldn’t BE negging that type of girl.

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“tell me again how a preinternet 12 year old with zero game has anything but his genes and some magic to make that happen”

He’s running A1-S3 even if it’s not consciously. He’s not fucking girls without them feeling Comfortable or them having interest in him (A2), which happens when he has some kind of value to them (A1) even if it’s the chick’s weird value system instead of society’s standard value system. etc etc

“I believe in game and in magic because I see them both.”

I question your capacity to see shit through a game lens. Again this comes down to not understanding game. A blue pill AFC living at the Playboy Mansion is going to see shit through a blue pill lens.

“because you can’t stop them from doing what they want. if you had experience with them you’d know that.”

…so I guess the whole “law” thing making it a bad idea for the teacher to fuck an underage girl doesn’t come into play. Or the guy not wanting to fuck his daughter’s friend because it’s too creepy to him. Or the girl having zero social approval to fuck him. etc etc

“because she chose him over all others for reasons unknown”

You not knowing something doesn’t make something unknown. You are super heavily invested in believing that underage girls are magic unicorns. All behavior is explainable, human beings don’t just do completely random shit. There’s a reason that 15yo girl is wearing brand name clothing and eating brand name food and carrying a brand name phone and follows celebrity gossip. Companies and celebrities spend millions of dollars a year on marketing because human psychology is not “magic”, even in your unicorns.

“because as they say, “old people are gross””

Is that what’s happening to you now? Is that why you’re so invested in this? lol Like how kids these days don’t appreciate REAL music like in the 60s, no you don’t understand it was DIFFERENT then, it was MAGICAL, you kids these days just don’t know the magic of the time back then.

“the shit that signals high value is different too”

So what you’re saying is that the guys are signaling high-value to the girls. OH SHIT THAT’S GAME.

“it can’t be learned or bought”

MAGIC!

“you know you can manipulate their moods and emotions to achieve a goal. not the case with the young ones though”

Do you even read the things you write? You are seriously asserting that a teenage girl’s emotions and mood can’t be manipulated to achieve a goal? Do you think Justin Beiber is just a REALLY AMAZING SINGER?

You are heavily bought into your magic unicorn beliefs. I’m sorry girls are calling you old now and you’re jealous of these young dudes who are unconsciously stumbling into DHV’ing to the girls (based on the girl’s value system) and in ways that you don’t get or can’t achieve yourself these days, but that doesn’t change how human psychology works.

“not everything can be reduced to an algorithm or a marketing presentation. life would really suck if it could.”

Is that why you’re so bought into this? Because the idea that human beings are predictable is too depressing to you?

“must have really sucked not to taste it.”

You keep going back to the “nyah nyah you didn’t fuck a 12 year old” thing like it’s supposed to bother me but it doesn’t lol Like, it’s a little creepy to me to be honest. Virgin pussy isn’t any better than any other pussy lol …unless you believe in unicorns.

“I believe in magic because I’ve experienced a lot of magical stuff.”

“when I think about it, some of the best shit ever has happened unplanned. it’s called improvisation and living in the moment and that can’t be reduced to rote and taught. when you run routines life is routine”

Are you done with your woowoo speech, Oprah?

“I can’t think of a single instance in a single industry where a guy with advanced knowledge gave away his trade secrets for free. usually it’s nothing but disinformation and bad leads, but your shit undoubtedly works so thanks again. you might be the only nonprofit value adding guy in history.”

Nah, there’s lots of us. Especially in the PUA/Red Pill community.

@Pallaeon
“MM spends so much time talking about routines and going indirect, but not enough time explicitly saying “yeah you can actually skip all the stories and open with a kiss over your sub comms are tight enough.””

Because when you’re new you’re not going to have good subcomms and you’re just going to get a shitload of rejections (except for when the girl is initially attracted to your looks (A1)) because you haven’t learned how to spark Attraction yet. Learn how to DHV, get A2, qualify her, and THEN go on your kiss them all mission, where you’re actually going to get success.

@Scray
“i mean the implication here is that MM screens FOR BPD. but now you’re saying that it works BEST on BPD chicks but also works generally.”

It doesn’t even hold up with the qualifier because MM is about calibration. MM is not “neg the girl”, MM is “neg the girl IF she’s above a 7 and is acting bratty”. So when someone says “MM works on X type of girl”, it’s an instant indicator that they haven’t actually learned what MM is about because if you have X type of girl you use the calibration in MM to know what parts of it to use, so you wouldn’t BE negging that type of girl.

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@fleezer
” I could point at thousands of failures. in reality only a few artists carry a record label into the black each year”

Ya, you know which ones? The ones that get marketed in the way that gives them

“it is NOT EXPLAINABLE why one thing/artist/product succeeds and many many others fail”

lol

“place your bets and take the wall street casino for all it’s got. oh yeah. you can’t. because human behavior is UNPREDICTABLE.”

brb, ppl don’t sell their stocks when a crisis hits a company. In fact most people buy more stocks when the CEO comes out and says “HEY I LIKE TO RAPE CHILDREN”, because UNPREDICTABLE MAGIC.

“ya says he can explain it with his formula even though he has no direct experience.”

I have buddies like Agent P to consult who were getting laid back then and can actually look at their previous actions and, because they understand game, realize “oh ya, I WAS using preselection, isolation, comfort, etc” instead of being oblivious like you.

“but there were other guys doing the exact opposite and still getting laid”

All those guys were triggering value in the girl’s value system, and she was attracted to them, and felt comfortable with them. You COULD argue that a girl’s value system back then is different from when she’s older, but that’s not your argument (and even then we can point to guys like Justin Beiber who are just marketed right).

“I’m saying early on the breeding instinct is gene based and that young women have a sense for something that we can’t reduce to a formula”

Because you want to believe that what you did was special and you are too game-inept to understand what you were doing. It’s fine man, Naturals think all they’re doing is “just being myself brah”. You aren’t very well

@hank holiday
“Lol all these guys talking about natural alphas being supreme almighty gods makes me think you’re all chicks.”

This. The only real difference between Naturals and normal dudes is Naturals picked up some solid subcomms early on in life that gave them early success.

“Everyone has to learn how to do things. No one ever just “knows” anything”

This. It’s not MAGIC lol just like it’s not MAGIC that a 13yo girl has a Justin Beiber (or whoever is marketed to the masses (aka social proof, preselection, etc) poster on her wall.

“Now, Chad won’t be able to explain what it is he does, anymore than you could explain to someone how to ride a bike.”

Yup, like I said to fleezer: it’s fine if he doesn’t understand game, Naturals rarely understand what they do in depth either. But that doesn’t mean it’s MAGIC lol

“What MM does is just break down what a natural does into a clear, easy to follow process”

This. It doesn’t matter if you can ride a bike and don’t understand what the chain on it DOES exactly or why the wheels turn, you are not riding that bike without the wheels turning. That’s what the A1-S3 model is.

“Its a just a more EFFICIENT way of getting good with girls. Just like having a set diet plan, sleep schedule, and rotating workout routine is a more EFFICIENT way of bulking up than just doing bench presses whenever.”

This.

“Naturals are usually the same way. They do a few things VERY well. But throw them a curve ball and they don’t know what to do.”

Yup.

“It amazes me how many Luddites there are out there. “Hey, we’ve got all this FREE information on how to improve your life. It will help some people more than others, but anyone can gain at least a little something from it.” “FUCK THAT SHIT. GO AWAY! FUCK YOU.””

lolol This is why I get annoyed with people who turn guys away from FREE USEFUL INFORMATION. Like holy shit, you want guys to NOT read Mystery Method for free?? Are you CRAZY?? It holds so much valuable information about social dynamics and shit, like, hey don’t read Rollo’s blog, don’t watch free Tony Robbins videos, just fucking wing everything in life lol Fuck having mentors or learning from successful people who can shave YEARS off your learning curves! Go to a guitar teacher, are you crazy, just pick up a guitar and start rubbing your fingers on the strings and you’ll be Jimi Hendrix in no time.

@Blaximus @Fleezer
“and it is very true that there is a point in their development where they are rather unpredictable”

There’s a reason Barney the dinosaur doesn’t look like the T-Rex from Jurassic Park and sing death metal. Because it would scare the shit out of kids instead of making them giggle with bright cartoony colors and happy Barney songs. Human psychology isn’t “unpredictable”. You could say it’s unSTUDIED, maybe, or that you don’t understand it, or that value systems change and evolve, but it’s not unpredictable. We are basically large computers that run on our wiring. That’s why you can jam a pike through a dude’s brain and change his personality completely.

Fucking woowoo magic day today.

“You only have to reach a select number in the group, and they will help to drive whatever it is that being sold to them”

This is what I’m saying. This is preselection/social proof/social approval and you can purposely manipulate it. Little girls don’t have the guy who plays live music at the pub down the street from me hanging on their wall because he isn’t marketed to them in the tried and tested ways that a manufactured Justin Beiber or Backstreet Boys is marketed. This shit is predictable. People behave in predictible patterns.

@Rollo @Fleezer
“As a marketing and branding career professional for the past 20 years, I can assure you, human psychology and behavior is eminently predictable. In fact it’s so predictable that entire industries depend upon that predictability.”

Nah man, what do you know. It’s MAGIC brah. You probably didn’t fuck 12 year old pussy BRO!!!

“A friend of mine just bought me a very nice hunting rifle for my birthday. Very expensive, very well made, very accurate, scope, etc. Unfortunately he said it’s only reliably killed squirrels for him at close range, so I guess it’s kind of useless,…”

lol this.

@Forge the Sky
“I think Fleezer probably had some pretty amazing experiences as a teenager. I have no doubt sex at that age just seems like this transcendent, inexplicable thing. All the hormones, less cognitive override, no chance to become jaded with experience, porn, etc….”

Ya, I’m sure it was awesome. But I have buddies who had those same experiences, and actually understand game and what they were subconsciously doing back then. And we deal with logic and reality here, not feels.

@AR
“Neuroplasticity tells me the response to the stimulus is there, the desire for dopamine is there, so rewiring is a better option that resisting.”

Agree with this. We force guys to go out as a replacement for wasting their time on videogames and Netflix and shit. That’s why a lot of our analogies are about treating it like a videogame, because guys can kind of be like “hmm this IS kind of the same thing” and get the same dopamine rushes they got from Call of Duty when they make a hot girl giggle and touch their arm. Sarging can become addicting FAST. If I told a guy don’t play videogames or watch Netflix but also just read this stuff online, he’s going to go back to games and Netflix because you don’t get much of a rush from just reading this stuff or watching Tyler vids. You have to GO OUT and get reference experiences for your brain live in person blowing yourself out of your comfort zones and shattering your limiting beliefs.

@Rollo
“@Agent P, YaReally, I don’t know if you caught my interview on Alan Currie’s show last Thursday, but the only real disagreement we had was about a Direct vs. Indirect approach. I’m gonna write a post about it since I didn’t think we had enough time to really explore it, but I wanted to pick your brains a bit.”

I’ll check it out.

“I think it’s interesting that a language barrier can be bypassed in seduction with effective subcommunications. Alan hates even the idea of subcoms because (at least I think he believes) it’s not masculine, or dominant or on the table enough.”

Well, then he’s dumb. I mean…lol No offense to him. But that’s a ridiculous notion. He either doesn’t understand what subcomms are and thinks they’re some kind of underhanded roundabout weaselly way of showing interest, in which case he’s simply basing his opinion off a wrong perception of the topic, or he’s ignoring every example of guys like Clint Eastwood or James Deen who communicate masculing/dominance/etc through their subcomms. It’s an absurd idea.

“There’s a definite ego-investment on guys married to the Direct approach”

My guess is that he doesn’t actually understand what subcomms are. It’s the same as guys saying “don’t do that Mystery Method shit, fuzzy hats are gay” because they don’t understand that the fuzzy hat isn’t Mystery Method, the fuzzy hat is just Mystery’s way of using the concept of Peacocking but that you can Peacock a million other ways (like as subtle as being the one guy wearing a tie when everyone else is isn’t or vice-versa). Those guys don’t get what the fuzzy hat is showing because they have a surface level understanding.

It’s like Krauser’s Daygame Overkill. He thinks he isn’t running Mystery Method because he’s “mixing up the order” but he’s running Mystery Method (part of my review of it will be explaining how his infield is still following MM). And the guys running direct game don’t think they’re running MM, but they are, they’re just running it really fast and loose.

But I’ll take a listen to your interview and see. I don’t know anything about Alan, but I know that a guy who thinks subcomms aren’t masculine or dominant or on the table is seriously off-base.

@Pallaeon @Rollo
“Lol. Yeah if I recall correctly, he considers “I thought you were cute and had to come talk to you” as indirect since you’re saying you want to “talk” instead of saying that you want to fuck.”

He’s focused on the wrong channels entirely then. You can say “hey do you have the time” but if you have the right subcomms it’ll come off sexual. I mean, I feel dumb even explaining this because it’s basic knowledge. If you square up with a girl, laser eye-contact, cut the space, lower your voice, talk slow and sexual, etc you can say ANYTHING and it’ll come off sexual to her. That’s what we’re doing when we pick up foreign language chicks or pick up girls without speaking (another exercise to try to focus on your subcomms).

I mean…I don’t even know how to address this because there are SO MANY vids etc demonstrating and explaining that your words don’t matter it’s your subcomms. How can someone teaching pickup (I assume he teaches?) not understand or “believe in”(???) subcomms?

Gambler breaking some basic subcomms down in detail at 28:10 with a demo (at 33:35) showing sexual escalation/tension with no talking just subcomms:

The best deep step by step breakdown of laser eye-contact and building sexual tension with your subcomms:

BRB subcomms not REAL, laser-eye contact not real, must say “I WANNA FUCK YOU” to build sexual tension:

lol. Absurd.

@Rollo @The Jin
“I’d definitely agree that Mystery had many of the same internal issues Rick thinks he suffered from.”

Agree completely. Dude has issues, that was clear on page one. It’s irrelevant though. MM is how all seduction works, with everyone. Literally all MM is this:

– “here are the stages that humans go through from meeting to fucking”
– “here are a handful of routines I use to help get from stage to stage, but ideally you’ll create your own when you understand why these work”

That’s IT. That’s Mystery Method. It’s not “designed” to pick up a specific type of girl, it’s designed to pick them ALL up because you calibrate to the girl. It doesn’t matter if he only picked up a certain type of girl just like it doesn’t matter if all Bruce Lee fought was little children, you can GO OUT and PICK UP quality HSE girls if you quit keyboard jockeying about it and just go fucking practice it.

The PUA community back then didn’t know anything about LTRs or MRA shit or Hypergamy (we knew they wanted the highest value guy but we didn’t know how crucial that was to making an LTR work) etc so Mystery (and Tyler) still have some Blue Pill ideals about women that will probably get them burned because they aren’t on The Rational Male reading Rollo’s posts or on MRA forums learning about how feminism has affected the divorce system and shit ’cause they’re out in the field sarging.

“When you look at guys like Roosh or Tucker Max, they can effectively attract women (allegedly), but look what happens to Tucker once he’s locked down with a child. Roosh could find himself his virginic unicorn and marry her, but how well do you suppose his stunted maturity will serve him in an LTR or marriage?”

Yup this. Part of why I follow Rollo’s stuff is because he’s a red pill guy actually making a long term marriage work and even THEN there’s qualifiers (like him being a Natural and having a job where he has soft dread going and a wife who wasn’t raised in 2016 Tinder culture etc). Same with Blackdragon, who’s got probably the most solid stuff on making multiple long term relationships work.

@scray
“a lot of those mistakes are just the result of people not taking the game FAR ENOUGH (LTR game versus STR game versus meet-greet-attract-bang game)”

This. A lot of early PUAs don’t realize how far this stuff extends into marriage etc and they don’t get how society has shifted and all this feminism stuff and MRA problems etc etc. That’s why sites like TRM are important and ideally guys like Tyler and Mystery should be reading them but they’re focused on other shit and probably won’t, and will probably get burned a few times because they’re doing good at the pickup side of things but don’t understand how to maintain Hypergamy or why monoLTRs are hard to make work in 2016 etc

““The problem with just employing PUA skills to get any woman is that sometimes it actually gets you ANY woman. There’s no vetting process, no discernment, taught as part of technique. ”

this is just WRONG. it’s like the WRONGEST WRONG THAT EVER FUCKING WRONGED.”

Fucking yes. Like I say did someone leave a gate open? Did just a bunch of retards stumble in here or something? Why are we having to rehash the basics like this lol

“i always think this is an unfair evaluation of the dude. like he’s over here doing MLTRs with legit model-tier looking women, and YES, he struggles and goes through periods of feeling fucked up.”

People take for granted how much education and guidance we have. Mystery didn’t HAVE the MM pdf to learn from or TRM or anything, the dude went out and figured this shit out in-depth through sheer trial and error. Ya he’s not perfect at all aspects of the game long-term, who fucking cares?? Learn long-term relationship game from guys like Rollo and Blackdragon.

“first of all, he’s just a human being (commentaries like Raw’s just put him up on a pedestal without even realizing it), and second of all, his failures are like….a bajillion times more legit than the AFC’s highest successes, so w/e.”

Mystery’s worst failure is more than most AFCs will even attempt in their life.

“and it really just is fucking up LTR-game. monogamy itself is just like level 99 hardcore insane mode…..”

A lot of the PUA community is still focused on “learn pickup to get a cool girlfriend then settle down” and from that point on it’s Blue Pill ideals of how relationships work. That’s why we supplement with resources like TRM.

@The Jin
“Right so, heres how this went down.”

We were all here for it dude. We all read how it went down. You’re just frustrated that no one is agreeing with you.

“After this it just become a mess of people simply not reading what I actually wrote and responding to various phantoms or projections, which wasn’t what i was expecting at all. Basically most of you guys failed reading comprehension 101”

When everyone around you tells you you’re drunk, there’s a good chance you’re drunk.

@Blaximus
“If a guy is competent at giving off a ” vibe “, chicks will pay attention. They may not act, but they will sense. Absolutely the Indirect approach works and I’d bet that the ” subcomms ” ( I had no idea what these were until recently…Thanx Ya, Scray, Sentient..) are indeed learnable and that they work.”

This. Vibe = normal people’s word for subcomms. Subcomms are a set of behaviors that can be learned, mimicked, faked, etc. Literally acting in Hollywood is about congruently pulling off the right subcomms to make people believe you are your character. Heath Ledger disappearing into his Joker role with all this ticks and twitches and creepy subcomms makes you feel like “holy shit that’s the joker and I feel creeped out whenever he’s on screen”.

There are things that will naturally help your subcomms, like if you’re getting laid regularly you’ll walk into a venue chill like you’ve just rolled out of bed and chicks pick up on those subcomms…but you can also learn to fake them, like the demos Gambler and Liam are showing in those videos.

“You guys seem awfully invested in defending MM/Mystery in your exchanges with Jin.”

We’re all here BECAUSE of Mystery.

“Is Mystery some kind of pua God or something? I’m not trying to be funny, I’m just asking because I don’t think I’ve ever seen you 2 get so heated over a difference of opinion before.”

He’s not a god, but he basically defied evolution and his slot in life busting his ass to figure this shit out rolling into venues by himself stone cold sober taking the hits to slowly piece it all together, making huge sacrifices and shot so far out of his league macking girls in Hollywood and then spread that information to other men to help them do the same all to blow the whole seduction thing wide open for guys now to walk in and go “ehh whatever, fuzzy hat shit”.

“All I know about Mystery is that he wore a stupid hat and black nail polish, and he had a reality show once.”

The dude was just some nobody Canadian chode who should’ve had a handful of lays and then settled down with some average social circle chick in buttfuck nowhere. Instead he, as just an average guy with some social intelligence, worked his way into tearing up venues that normal guys can’t even get INTO with crowds and social circles other guys will never hang out with and fucking girls that his buddies couldn’t even dream of getting. All while just being a normal dude who understands social dynamics. He’s like the ultimate example of a lifehack. He was walking into Hollywood/Vegas clubs being treated like a VIP without actually being anyone important.

We know now that you CAN lifehack this shit, we know that you CAN learn game and you CAN step by step this stuff. But he was doing this without anyone knowing it was possible and he took it further than anyone running little NLP hypno-game did.

Dude can off himself tomorrow and his contribution would still be 10000x more than anything his naysayers will ever contribute to men lol

“Why so hyper?”

It’s like a kid who works at Starbucks rolling his eyes at a war vet because he hasn’t heard the stories of that guy watching his buddy get his head blown off and doesn’t appreciate what the dude has done for him.

When you let people forget everything Mystery did and write him off as just “the fuzzy hat guy” who’s method “is designed for bipolar LSE dumb drunk bar sluts”, you send a ton of guys off to go learn from guys who don’t believe in subcommunications or spout armchair bullshit that doesn’t hold up infield or slows their progress and they end up going down the George Sodini path of “WHY ISN’T THIS WORKING??!?” because they’ve been led away from useful information that would help them.

“Okay, I wasn’t aware that MM has been attacked so consistently”

Ya, it’s really sad to see. It’s why there’s shit like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/49ytb4/i_cant_believe_its_not_alpha/

Where it’s just doggy-piles of guys shitting on PUA and sending guys away from it toward their own products that are just PUA repackaged but not as in-depth as the original stuff. This fucks guys up long-term, because they don’t get the results they thought they would and then they’re wondering why they’re 30+ and still having to spam approach at the bar and start freaking out that they’re losing their looks as they age and there’s no way to get around that because subcomms aren’t real etc

It’s all just shitty misinformation spread by guys who 99% of the time haven’t even read Mystery Method or looked at the stuff they’re shitting on.

It’s REALLY easy to make fun of Mystery and discount all the valuable shit in Mystery Method. But INEVITABLY when an intermediate/advanced guy comes to me frustrated asking why shit doesn’t work, guess where I point him to. It was all laid out there in depth for him in Mystery Method if he had fucking read it lol

“I thought Jin had interesting perspective, but I don’t know enough about MM to really give it a lot of thought.”

That’s why I’m shitting on him over and over. Because it’s important that the casual readers/lurkers know that what he’s saying is wrong and an inaccurate assessment of Mystery Method, because if I don’t do these longass rants explaining why he’s retarded, people like you will go “it’s an interesting perspective” and we get further and further away from guys looking at Mystery Method and fixing their lives.

@Sun Wukong
“Honestly most days I wish I was a fucking idiot so I would think things out less and just do more.”

That’s why people drink. πŸ˜‰ lol But in all seriousness, Tyler deals with a lot of the same stuff as you. Overthinks, abusive upbringing, massive constant depression he has to fight off, etc His stuff on depression and changing your mindsets and letting go of thinking too much and forcing yourself to take action to OVERRIDE your over-thinking (forcing yourself to tell yourself what you did was awesome and forcing yourself to find something funny in every set even the bad ones and forcing yourself to take action as soon as you see the girl instead of letting yourself think about it etc etc) might help. Mystery was very clearly fucked up with massive manic depression or whatever. A lot of us come from shitty upbringings (I lucked out, I had an amazing one lol). You just didn’t SEE Tyler or Mystery go through their frustrating phase that you’re going through because you ran into their stuff at the tail end where they float on wizard clouds but we ALL go through that stage and it sucks and it can last for a LONG fucking time.

@Sentient
“Once you really take any time at all to inderstand what MM actually is, it’s impossible to unsee it in the field. In fact the test is if a guy is BSing about MM he is showing either her never looked into it much or never is infield. It’s that obvi.”

And thus we have Fleezer who believes in magic. Like that other guy said: advanced enough technology is indistinguishable from magic. All he’s doing is showing that he doesn’t understand MM.

@Blaximus @Sun Wukong
“Without getting all ghey and what-not, I appreciate what you share. I feel what you share.”

It’s important to share it, because I can guarantee you you aren’t the only one who’s going through or has gone through or who will go through those feelings. This is the painful part of pickup, where you learn that your brain is actively working AGAINST you and isn’t on your side like it was supposed to be your whole life. That your brain would rather choose comfort and safety than risk and reward. That your brain wants you to just get back in your hole and numb yourself with videogames, TV, booze/drugs/etc and play it safe.

“In sports performance, the trick is to develop your skill, then when you are performing that sport, turn off your cognitive brain and be in the zone. Turn your fore-brain off and just let it rip.”

This is pickup too. I don’t have to think infield, but I have a lot of field experience doing this stuff so my brain is just handling shit the same way I don’t have to think about breathing or think “pedal down, now pedal up” when I ride a bike. But a kid learning to ride a bike will have to think it through and fall a shitload and scrape his knees.

Can’t learn it reading shit online or watching videos, gotta go out and experience it. This is why I stress guys should do a period of hyperfocus on game where they can throw themselves out there every possible free minute (another reason I encourage guys to learn game in their 20s when they HAVE ample free time) and move to somewhere with a ton of hot girls and rack up reference experiences instead of trying to get to internalizing this stuff off going out to some dive bar once every week or two and talking to some ugly girl they aren’t attracted to.

How do you develop mastery in basketball when you play against midgets once a week? That’s not gonna turn you into Jordan. Gotta solve getting yourself into an environment where you have ample chicks around you, like moving near a college bar district or to a better city etc if your city blows. A month sarging 6 nights a week in Vegas will rack you up more reference experience than 5 years in Podunk, Nowhere.

This is also why we stress that this is a LONG process. It’s not an overnight fix. You can make big strides overnight at first (noob gainz) but like, you’re fixing a LOT of shit and learning new behaviors/mindsets, and you need a ton of field experience.

“That’s the problem I’m having. If I don’t think in the field, then I fall in to old JBY routines and shit comes out of my mouth that tanks an approach. If I do think, I stumble and look incongruent. Really really frustrating, particularly when you’re out solo and have to pump your own state to try again. A few good stumbles and I just find myself asking when I can go home.”

This is super common, if that helps. Most guys go through this period. It’s very frustrating.

Try setting your goals lower…like accept that “ok I’m NOT going to get laid this month. That’s not going to happen, so fuck it. What I’m going to do this month is focus on a different part of the skillset each night. I’m not going to even TRY to get laid, I’m just going to focus 100% this weekend on locking eye-contact and cutting space on the girl.” This is part of why we have routines, so that you can put the verbals on autopilot (like to EVERY girl you’re going to say “excuse me help me out for a sec do you think bla bla” and just tell some autopilot story) while you consciously focus on maintaining eye-contact and cutting the space, or on kino, or on leading her around the venue, or on making EVERYTHING you say have innuendo or be sexual, or on misinterpreting EVERYTHING she says as sexual, or on slipping in a roleplay scenario between you two, etc etc and just slowly work on each part of it, THEN in a few months come back to “okay now let’s put it all together”.

It can help to break things down and take the pressure off yourself.

But more importantly: are you still working on getting to a better location (even if it’s a slow process) or have you become complacent and are trying to make do with where you are (which you’ve said is fully of shitty girls and shitty venues etc) and hoping something will change?

“I fucking miss intimate human contact so fucking bad. Been way too long since I did so much as make out with a cute chick, never mind sex. Sex has been like… once a year at most for the past 3-4 years”

It sucks ass. But the only way is forward. Do your approaches and do your Field Reports so we can point out where you could have escalated etc so that your brain in the future is like “oh this is just like that time where those guys said I should escalate, I’ll do that here”. You’re trying to improve under this veil of secrecy by not doing your Field Reports here, and you just keep coming back frustrated every few months and none of us have any idea what you’re doing out there or how you’re progressing. We can help a guy like scribbler because he’s telling us what he’s doing out there, but we can’t help you if you aren’t doing your FRs.

You’ve tried doing this on your own and it’s not working well. Help us help you. You’re like the guy who doesn’t want to ask his business coach for advice or tell him how the business is failing because he doesn’t want to reveal anything until he’s a success. That’s not productive for your progress man. We wanna see some weekly FRs of you approaching girls so we can help.

@Sentient @Blaximus
“I’ll add, not sure if this is an actual copy of the book or derivative. I’ve focused on the videos myself, there are 6 or 7 posted online, in order…”

I prefer the videos on YouTube personally…Mystery is really passionate and enthusiastic about what he’s teaching, it’s more entertaining to see him describe stuff rather than just read the dry text of it. It’s also a good reference for a guy like Sun Wukong to see someone who’s overly intelligent with a computer brain and WHY a guy like that loves game and why he loves his big ol’ brain, the dude gets off on being smarter than the people he’s interacting with and knowing exactly what they’re going to say and do and how to manipulate that, it’s like a rush for him and that enthusiasm can be good for the over-thinker types.

@hank holiday
“Guys who dismiss MM are usually keyboard jockeys. If you actually go out and look for MM in the field, its mindblowing how well it explains everything, especially if you are a noob.”

This. Thank god you guys are here lol I’m used to having to defend Mystery solo. It makes me happy to see that people still appreciate the shit MM is explaining. It’s literally the roadmap to understanding so much about the world around us and it’s just sitting there being ignored by guys who are looking for the answers that are IN MM lol It’s like watching guys starving themselves to death complaining about being hungry when they’re sitting beside a buffet because someone whispered “careful with that buffet, there’s a few TRICKS in thereπŸ˜‰ ;)” and so they’re disregarding it.

“The other thing is the refrain that MM “Only works on dumb bar sluts”. Which betrays a madonna/whore complex. AWALT.”

This.

“Its regular girls, who don’t get hit on as much as the “dumb bar sluts”, who respond to MM the most.”

This.

“TL:DR — that’s why guys get so worked up about MM. It gives you the blueprint of how attraction progresses and tells you how to work a room and become the coolest guy there. While it helps EVERYONE, it helps spergy introverted guys the MOST.

When people like Jin and fleezer shit all over MM, it discorages the very guys who need MM the most from studying it.”

THIS. Thankyou. Fuck. lol

A lot of you guys won’t really work with “students” or help teach buddies or whatever, long-term so you won’t see what happens to guys who go down these various paths. You won’t see guys end up like George Sodini or Elliot Rodger, frustrated that what they were taught isn’t working the way it was supposed to and not knowing where to find answers that explain shit about the world that doesn’t make sense to them.

But those guys are lurking here, and all over the communities, looking for help and there are very useful resources available to them and it’s important that they FIND those resources instead of get discouraged from them because some guy with a madonna/whore complex says “that’s designed to get bipolar LSE girls” or “you can’t learn it, it’s MAGIC”

@charmer
“hey man, can you tell me how to not make her an alpha widow? With the you making an emotional impact, setting boundaries and the no commitment thing, if she leaves you without you showing her that you are a beta (needy, desparate, no boundaries) she is bound to become an alpha widow. How to make sure that when she breaks up with you, she thinks of you as a chode and forgets you?”

She probably won’t think of you as a chode if you’ve attracted her properly though you could try just acting beta/chode/supplicative and see what happens (basically smother her with supplicative affection and stop enforcing boundaries etc). But ideally you just try to avoid her catching too many feelings for you from the start by doing stuff like not seeing her very often (once a week MAX, ideally once every two weeks) and not doing relationship cuddly date/boyfriend stuff with her and juggling other girls (and making sure she knows) and not txting her all day etc Like don’t build too deep a connection.

@Forge the Sky
“The past couple of weekends I’ve tried going out w some dudes I know (3 different circles) and OH MY GOD it’s all married man/chode shit with them if I try pickup. Even w the dude that used to study this shit.”

This is why I tell guys to focus on this shit in their 20s. You can handle your career when your friends are all settled down into their married chode lives and don’t want to go out anymore lol It’s a lot harder to pick this stuff up in your 30s when your buddies don’t want to go out and are all Blue Pill conditioned into marriages and half of them are in sexless deadbedroom LTRs.

“Me: ‘Uh, so you gonna go somewhere with that innuendo or should I?’
Her: ‘that’s what I was thinking.’

Then I did some awkward but not terrible shit I suppose. Said I liked a girl who just went for the innuendo…,teased her that she was blushing…. Still, facepalm. I went nowhere with that easy pass.”

lol wut where was KISS??? lol I literally did a double-take reading that thinking I missed the part where you made out. Fuckin guy, you gave that poor girl blue vag lol

“Fuck me, I still haven’t memorized a canned open for when my brain freezes.”

DO IT NOW. Take out a pen and paper or whatever or go in front of the mirror and practice your fav canned opener. Quit reading these words I’m typing that you’re reading right now and go fucking handle this shit THEN come back and fuck around on here and fap to pornhub. Or you’re just gonna run into the same situation lol

@Forge the Sky @Sun Wukong
“I’m the definition of good internal game with little external game. I need whatever push I can to get out often.”

In the old days guys like Tyler, Mystery, Style, Ozzie, etc would literally travel to other countries/states/cities/etc just for the change to sarge with other guys on the same page as them for a weekend. It was a sacrifice but 2 guys going hardcore for a weekend can do a lot in a short time and it can help make the growing pains easier. How much is a flight in a the long-run? Will you really miss a few hundred bucks when you’re 60? Can you cancel a Netflix subscription and save up for the chance to meet up with other guys on the same path as you? Think outside the box and make sacrifices to get what you want.

“I love Tyler’s ‘I can’t go home with you. I’m too shy.’”

Here you go Sun, try saying this in every single set. Every girl you talk to, the second she gives ONE ioi (laughs at a joke, touches you, asks you a question, plays with her hair, smiling at you, etc), say “I can’t go home with you, I’m too shy.” Out of nowhere. Just say it. Do that for like 3 nights out in every single set no matter what. Tell yourself “I’m not going to get laid, I’m just going to practice saying this ONE THING and spotting those iois”. After that you can work on adding cutting space to it, or touching her, or transitioning into a sexual routine, or escalating physically, etc etc Baby step it with actionable missions and accept that you won’t get laid for a few months because you’re going to focus on each little aspect of the skillset one by one and just fap to pornhub when you get home lol

“Just my sense of humor maybe.”

Self-amusement is key, but everyone’s self-amusement is different, gotta figure out what makes YOU laugh…make yourself laugh infield and it doesn’t matter how the girl reacts, you’ll still be putting yourself in a good state for the next girl:

work this week, have fun gentlemen


Evolving Hypergamy

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YaReally
on April 5th, 2016 at 12:06 am
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@fleezer
” I could point at thousands of failures. in reality only a few artists carry a record label into the black each year”

Ya, you know which ones? The ones that get marketed in the way that gives them

“it is NOT EXPLAINABLE why one thing/artist/product succeeds and many many others fail”

lol

“place your bets and take the wall street casino for all it’s got. oh yeah. you can’t. because human behavior is UNPREDICTABLE.”

brb, ppl don’t sell their stocks when a crisis hits a company. In fact most people buy more stocks when the CEO comes out and says “HEY I LIKE TO RAPE CHILDREN”, because UNPREDICTABLE MAGIC.

“ya says he can explain it with his formula even though he has no direct experience.”

I have buddies like Agent P to consult who were getting laid back then and can actually look at their previous actions and, because they understand game, realize “oh ya, I WAS using preselection, isolation, comfort, etc” instead of being oblivious like you.

“but there were other guys doing the exact opposite and still getting laid”

All those guys were triggering value in the girl’s value system, and she was attracted to them, and felt comfortable with them. You COULD argue that a girl’s value system back then is different from when she’s older, but that’s not your argument (and even then we can point to guys like Justin Beiber who are just marketed right).

“I’m saying early on the breeding instinct is gene based and that young women have a sense for something that we can’t reduce to a formula”

Because you want to believe that what you did was special and you are too game-inept to understand what you were doing. It’s fine man, Naturals think all they’re doing is “just being myself brah”. You aren’t very well

@hank holiday
“Lol all these guys talking about natural alphas being supreme almighty gods makes me think you’re all chicks.”

This. The only real difference between Naturals and normal dudes is Naturals picked up some solid subcomms early on in life that gave them early success.

“Everyone has to learn how to do things. No one ever just “knows” anything”

This. It’s not MAGIC lol just like it’s not MAGIC that a 13yo girl has a Justin Beiber (or whoever is marketed to the masses (aka social proof, preselection, etc) poster on her wall.

“Now, Chad won’t be able to explain what it is he does, anymore than you could explain to someone how to ride a bike.”

Yup, like I said to fleezer: it’s fine if he doesn’t understand game, Naturals rarely understand what they do in depth either. But that doesn’t mean it’s MAGIC lol

“What MM does is just break down what a natural does into a clear, easy to follow process”

This. It doesn’t matter if you can ride a bike and don’t understand what the chain on it DOES exactly or why the wheels turn, you are not riding that bike without the wheels turning. That’s what the A1-S3 model is.

“Its a just a more EFFICIENT way of getting good with girls. Just like having a set diet plan, sleep schedule, and rotating workout routine is a more EFFICIENT way of bulking up than just doing bench presses whenever.”

This.

“Naturals are usually the same way. They do a few things VERY well. But throw them a curve ball and they don’t know what to do.”

Yup.

“It amazes me how many Luddites there are out there. “Hey, we’ve got all this FREE information on how to improve your life. It will help some people more than others, but anyone can gain at least a little something from it.” “FUCK THAT SHIT. GO AWAY! FUCK YOU.””

lolol This is why I get annoyed with people who turn guys away from FREE USEFUL INFORMATION. Like holy shit, you want guys to NOT read Mystery Method for free?? Are you CRAZY?? It holds so much valuable information about social dynamics and shit, like, hey don’t read Rollo’s blog, don’t watch free Tony Robbins videos, just fucking wing everything in life lol Fuck having mentors or learning from successful people who can shave YEARS off your learning curves! Go to a guitar teacher, are you crazy, just pick up a guitar and start rubbing your fingers on the strings and you’ll be Jimi Hendrix in no time.

@Blaximus @Fleezer
“and it is very true that there is a point in their development where they are rather unpredictable”

There’s a reason Barney the dinosaur doesn’t look like the T-Rex from Jurassic Park and sing death metal. Because it would scare the shit out of kids instead of making them giggle with bright cartoony colors and happy Barney songs. Human psychology isn’t “unpredictable”. You could say it’s unSTUDIED, maybe, or that you don’t understand it, or that value systems change and evolve, but it’s not unpredictable. We are basically large computers that run on our wiring. That’s why you can jam a pike through a dude’s brain and change his personality completely.

Fucking woowoo magic day today.

“You only have to reach a select number in the group, and they will help to drive whatever it is that being sold to them”

This is what I’m saying. This is preselection/social proof/social approval and you can purposely manipulate it. Little girls don’t have the guy who plays live music at the pub down the street from me hanging on their wall because he isn’t marketed to them in the tried and tested ways that a manufactured Justin Beiber or Backstreet Boys is marketed. This shit is predictable. People behave in predictible patterns.

@Rollo @Fleezer
“As a marketing and branding career professional for the past 20 years, I can assure you, human psychology and behavior is eminently predictable. In fact it’s so predictable that entire industries depend upon that predictability.”

Nah man, what do you know. It’s MAGIC brah. You probably didn’t fuck 12 year old pussy BRO!!!

“A friend of mine just bought me a very nice hunting rifle for my birthday. Very expensive, very well made, very accurate, scope, etc. Unfortunately he said it’s only reliably killed squirrels for him at close range, so I guess it’s kind of useless,…”

lol this.

@Forge the Sky
“I think Fleezer probably had some pretty amazing experiences as a teenager. I have no doubt sex at that age just seems like this transcendent, inexplicable thing. All the hormones, less cognitive override, no chance to become jaded with experience, porn, etc….”

Ya, I’m sure it was awesome. But I have buddies who had those same experiences, and actually understand game and what they were subconsciously doing back then. And we deal with logic and reality here, not feels.

@AR
“Neuroplasticity tells me the response to the stimulus is there, the desire for dopamine is there, so rewiring is a better option that resisting.”

Agree with this. We force guys to go out as a replacement for wasting their time on videogames and Netflix and shit. That’s why a lot of our analogies are about treating it like a videogame, because guys can kind of be like “hmm this IS kind of the same thing” and get the same dopamine rushes they got from Call of Duty when they make a hot girl giggle and touch their arm. Sarging can become addicting FAST. If I told a guy don’t play videogames or watch Netflix but also just read this stuff online, he’s going to go back to games and Netflix because you don’t get much of a rush from just reading this stuff or watching Tyler vids. You have to GO OUT and get reference experiences for your brain live in person blowing yourself out of your comfort zones and shattering your limiting beliefs.

@Rollo
“@Agent P, YaReally, I don’t know if you caught my interview on Alan Currie’s show last Thursday, but the only real disagreement we had was about a Direct vs. Indirect approach. I’m gonna write a post about it since I didn’t think we had enough time to really explore it, but I wanted to pick your brains a bit.”

I’ll check it out.

“I think it’s interesting that a language barrier can be bypassed in seduction with effective subcommunications. Alan hates even the idea of subcoms because (at least I think he believes) it’s not masculine, or dominant or on the table enough.”

Well, then he’s dumb. I mean…lol No offense to him. But that’s a ridiculous notion. He either doesn’t understand what subcomms are and thinks they’re some kind of underhanded roundabout weaselly way of showing interest, in which case he’s simply basing his opinion off a wrong perception of the topic, or he’s ignoring every example of guys like Clint Eastwood or James Deen who communicate masculing/dominance/etc through their subcomms. It’s an absurd idea.

“There’s a definite ego-investment on guys married to the Direct approach”

My guess is that he doesn’t actually understand what subcomms are. It’s the same as guys saying “don’t do that Mystery Method shit, fuzzy hats are gay” because they don’t understand that the fuzzy hat isn’t Mystery Method, the fuzzy hat is just Mystery’s way of using the concept of Peacocking but that you can Peacock a million other ways (like as subtle as being the one guy wearing a tie when everyone else is isn’t or vice-versa). Those guys don’t get what the fuzzy hat is showing because they have a surface level understanding.

It’s like Krauser’s Daygame Overkill. He thinks he isn’t running Mystery Method because he’s “mixing up the order” but he’s running Mystery Method (part of my review of it will be explaining how his infield is still following MM). And the guys running direct game don’t think they’re running MM, but they are, they’re just running it really fast and loose.

But I’ll take a listen to your interview and see. I don’t know anything about Alan, but I know that a guy who thinks subcomms aren’t masculine or dominant or on the table is seriously off-base.

@Pallaeon @Rollo
“Lol. Yeah if I recall correctly, he considers “I thought you were cute and had to come talk to you” as indirect since you’re saying you want to “talk” instead of saying that you want to fuck.”

He’s focused on the wrong channels entirely then. You can say “hey do you have the time” but if you have the right subcomms it’ll come off sexual. I mean, I feel dumb even explaining this because it’s basic knowledge. If you square up with a girl, laser eye-contact, cut the space, lower your voice, talk slow and sexual, etc you can say ANYTHING and it’ll come off sexual to her. That’s what we’re doing when we pick up foreign language chicks or pick up girls without speaking (another exercise to try to focus on your subcomms).

I mean…I don’t even know how to address this because there are SO MANY vids etc demonstrating and explaining that your words don’t matter it’s your subcomms. How can someone teaching pickup (I assume he teaches?) not understand or “believe in”(???) subcomms?

Gambler breaking some basic subcomms down in detail at 28:10 with a demo (at 33:35) showing sexual escalation/tension with no talking just subcomms:

The best deep step by step breakdown of laser eye-contact and building sexual tension with your subcomms:

BRB subcomms not REAL, laser-eye contact not real, must say “I WANNA FUCK YOU” to build sexual tension:

lol. Absurd.

@Rollo @The Jin
“I’d definitely agree that Mystery had many of the same internal issues Rick thinks he suffered from.”

Agree completely. Dude has issues, that was clear on page one. It’s irrelevant though. MM is how all seduction works, with everyone. Literally all MM is this:

– “here are the stages that humans go through from meeting to fucking”
– “here are a handful of routines I use to help get from stage to stage, but ideally you’ll create your own when you understand why these work”

That’s IT. That’s Mystery Method. It’s not “designed” to pick up a specific type of girl, it’s designed to pick them ALL up because you calibrate to the girl. It doesn’t matter if he only picked up a certain type of girl just like it doesn’t matter if all Bruce Lee fought was little children, you can GO OUT and PICK UP quality HSE girls if you quit keyboard jockeying about it and just go fucking practice it.

The PUA community back then didn’t know anything about LTRs or MRA shit or Hypergamy (we knew they wanted the highest value guy but we didn’t know how crucial that was to making an LTR work) etc so Mystery (and Tyler) still have some Blue Pill ideals about women that will probably get them burned because they aren’t on The Rational Male reading Rollo’s posts or on MRA forums learning about how feminism has affected the divorce system and shit ’cause they’re out in the field sarging.

“When you look at guys like Roosh or Tucker Max, they can effectively attract women (allegedly), but look what happens to Tucker once he’s locked down with a child. Roosh could find himself his virginic unicorn and marry her, but how well do you suppose his stunted maturity will serve him in an LTR or marriage?”

Yup this. Part of why I follow Rollo’s stuff is because he’s a red pill guy actually making a long term marriage work and even THEN there’s qualifiers (like him being a Natural and having a job where he has soft dread going and a wife who wasn’t raised in 2016 Tinder culture etc). Same with Blackdragon, who’s got probably the most solid stuff on making multiple long term relationships work.

@scray
“a lot of those mistakes are just the result of people not taking the game FAR ENOUGH (LTR game versus STR game versus meet-greet-attract-bang game)”

This. A lot of early PUAs don’t realize how far this stuff extends into marriage etc and they don’t get how society has shifted and all this feminism stuff and MRA problems etc etc. That’s why sites like TRM are important and ideally guys like Tyler and Mystery should be reading them but they’re focused on other shit and probably won’t, and will probably get burned a few times because they’re doing good at the pickup side of things but don’t understand how to maintain Hypergamy or why monoLTRs are hard to make work in 2016 etc

““The problem with just employing PUA skills to get any woman is that sometimes it actually gets you ANY woman. There’s no vetting process, no discernment, taught as part of technique. ”

this is just WRONG. it’s like the WRONGEST WRONG THAT EVER FUCKING WRONGED.”

Fucking yes. Like I say did someone leave a gate open? Did just a bunch of retards stumble in here or something? Why are we having to rehash the basics like this lol

“i always think this is an unfair evaluation of the dude. like he’s over here doing MLTRs with legit model-tier looking women, and YES, he struggles and goes through periods of feeling fucked up.”

People take for granted how much education and guidance we have. Mystery didn’t HAVE the MM pdf to learn from or TRM or anything, the dude went out and figured this shit out in-depth through sheer trial and error. Ya he’s not perfect at all aspects of the game long-term, who fucking cares?? Learn long-term relationship game from guys like Rollo and Blackdragon.

“first of all, he’s just a human being (commentaries like Raw’s just put him up on a pedestal without even realizing it), and second of all, his failures are like….a bajillion times more legit than the AFC’s highest successes, so w/e.”

Mystery’s worst failure is more than most AFCs will even attempt in their life.

“and it really just is fucking up LTR-game. monogamy itself is just like level 99 hardcore insane mode…..”

A lot of the PUA community is still focused on “learn pickup to get a cool girlfriend then settle down” and from that point on it’s Blue Pill ideals of how relationships work. That’s why we supplement with resources like TRM.

@The Jin
“Right so, heres how this went down.”

We were all here for it dude. We all read how it went down. You’re just frustrated that no one is agreeing with you.

“After this it just become a mess of people simply not reading what I actually wrote and responding to various phantoms or projections, which wasn’t what i was expecting at all. Basically most of you guys failed reading comprehension 101”

When everyone around you tells you you’re drunk, there’s a good chance you’re drunk.

@Blaximus
“If a guy is competent at giving off a ” vibe “, chicks will pay attention. They may not act, but they will sense. Absolutely the Indirect approach works and I’d bet that the ” subcomms ” ( I had no idea what these were until recently…Thanx Ya, Scray, Sentient..) are indeed learnable and that they work.”

This. Vibe = normal people’s word for subcomms. Subcomms are a set of behaviors that can be learned, mimicked, faked, etc. Literally acting in Hollywood is about congruently pulling off the right subcomms to make people believe you are your character. Heath Ledger disappearing into his Joker role with all this ticks and twitches and creepy subcomms makes you feel like “holy shit that’s the joker and I feel creeped out whenever he’s on screen”.

There are things that will naturally help your subcomms, like if you’re getting laid regularly you’ll walk into a venue chill like you’ve just rolled out of bed and chicks pick up on those subcomms…but you can also learn to fake them, like the demos Gambler and Liam are showing in those videos.

“You guys seem awfully invested in defending MM/Mystery in your exchanges with Jin.”

We’re all here BECAUSE of Mystery.

“Is Mystery some kind of pua God or something? I’m not trying to be funny, I’m just asking because I don’t think I’ve ever seen you 2 get so heated over a difference of opinion before.”

He’s not a god, but he basically defied evolution and his slot in life busting his ass to figure this shit out rolling into venues by himself stone cold sober taking the hits to slowly piece it all together, making huge sacrifices and shot so far out of his league macking girls in Hollywood and then spread that information to other men to help them do the same all to blow the whole seduction thing wide open for guys now to walk in and go “ehh whatever, fuzzy hat shit”.

“All I know about Mystery is that he wore a stupid hat and black nail polish, and he had a reality show once.”

The dude was just some nobody Canadian chode who should’ve had a handful of lays and then settled down with some average social circle chick in buttfuck nowhere. Instead he, as just an average guy with some social intelligence, worked his way into tearing up venues that normal guys can’t even get INTO with crowds and social circles other guys will never hang out with and fucking girls that his buddies couldn’t even dream of getting. All while just being a normal dude who understands social dynamics. He’s like the ultimate example of a lifehack. He was walking into Hollywood/Vegas clubs being treated like a VIP without actually being anyone important.

We know now that you CAN lifehack this shit, we know that you CAN learn game and you CAN step by step this stuff. But he was doing this without anyone knowing it was possible and he took it further than anyone running little NLP hypno-game did.

Dude can off himself tomorrow and his contribution would still be 10000x more than anything his naysayers will ever contribute to men lol

“Why so hyper?”

It’s like a kid who works at Starbucks rolling his eyes at a war vet because he hasn’t heard the stories of that guy watching his buddy get his head blown off and doesn’t appreciate what the dude has done for him.

When you let people forget everything Mystery did and write him off as just “the fuzzy hat guy” who’s method “is designed for bipolar LSE dumb drunk bar sluts”, you send a ton of guys off to go learn from guys who don’t believe in subcommunications or spout armchair bullshit that doesn’t hold up infield or slows their progress and they end up going down the George Sodini path of “WHY ISN’T THIS WORKING??!?” because they’ve been led away from useful information that would help them.

“Okay, I wasn’t aware that MM has been attacked so consistently”

Ya, it’s really sad to see. It’s why there’s shit like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/49ytb4/i_cant_believe_its_not_alpha/

Where it’s just doggy-piles of guys shitting on PUA and sending guys away from it toward their own products that are just PUA repackaged but not as in-depth as the original stuff. This fucks guys up long-term, because they don’t get the results they thought they would and then they’re wondering why they’re 30+ and still having to spam approach at the bar and start freaking out that they’re losing their looks as they age and there’s no way to get around that because subcomms aren’t real etc

It’s all just shitty misinformation spread by guys who 99% of the time haven’t even read Mystery Method or looked at the stuff they’re shitting on.

It’s REALLY easy to make fun of Mystery and discount all the valuable shit in Mystery Method. But INEVITABLY when an intermediate/advanced guy comes to me frustrated asking why shit doesn’t work, guess where I point him to. It was all laid out there in depth for him in Mystery Method if he had fucking read it lol

“I thought Jin had interesting perspective, but I don’t know enough about MM to really give it a lot of thought.”

That’s why I’m shitting on him over and over. Because it’s important that the casual readers/lurkers know that what he’s saying is wrong and an inaccurate assessment of Mystery Method, because if I don’t do these longass rants explaining why he’s retarded, people like you will go “it’s an interesting perspective” and we get further and further away from guys looking at Mystery Method and fixing their lives.

@Sun Wukong
“Honestly most days I wish I was a fucking idiot so I would think things out less and just do more.”

That’s why people drink. πŸ˜‰ lol But in all seriousness, Tyler deals with a lot of the same stuff as you. Overthinks, abusive upbringing, massive constant depression he has to fight off, etc His stuff on depression and changing your mindsets and letting go of thinking too much and forcing yourself to take action to OVERRIDE your over-thinking (forcing yourself to tell yourself what you did was awesome and forcing yourself to find something funny in every set even the bad ones and forcing yourself to take action as soon as you see the girl instead of letting yourself think about it etc etc) might help. Mystery was very clearly fucked up with massive manic depression or whatever. A lot of us come from shitty upbringings (I lucked out, I had an amazing one lol). You just didn’t SEE Tyler or Mystery go through their frustrating phase that you’re going through because you ran into their stuff at the tail end where they float on wizard clouds but we ALL go through that stage and it sucks and it can last for a LONG fucking time.

@Sentient
“Once you really take any time at all to inderstand what MM actually is, it’s impossible to unsee it in the field. In fact the test is if a guy is BSing about MM he is showing either her never looked into it much or never is infield. It’s that obvi.”

And thus we have Fleezer who believes in magic. Like that other guy said: advanced enough technology is indistinguishable from magic. All he’s doing is showing that he doesn’t understand MM.

@Blaximus @Sun Wukong
“Without getting all ghey and what-not, I appreciate what you share. I feel what you share.”

It’s important to share it, because I can guarantee you you aren’t the only one who’s going through or has gone through or who will go through those feelings. This is the painful part of pickup, where you learn that your brain is actively working AGAINST you and isn’t on your side like it was supposed to be your whole life. That your brain would rather choose comfort and safety than risk and reward. That your brain wants you to just get back in your hole and numb yourself with videogames, TV, booze/drugs/etc and play it safe.

“In sports performance, the trick is to develop your skill, then when you are performing that sport, turn off your cognitive brain and be in the zone. Turn your fore-brain off and just let it rip.”

This is pickup too. I don’t have to think infield, but I have a lot of field experience doing this stuff so my brain is just handling shit the same way I don’t have to think about breathing or think “pedal down, now pedal up” when I ride a bike. But a kid learning to ride a bike will have to think it through and fall a shitload and scrape his knees.

Can’t learn it reading shit online or watching videos, gotta go out and experience it. This is why I stress guys should do a period of hyperfocus on game where they can throw themselves out there every possible free minute (another reason I encourage guys to learn game in their 20s when they HAVE ample free time) and move to somewhere with a ton of hot girls and rack up reference experiences instead of trying to get to internalizing this stuff off going out to some dive bar once every week or two and talking to some ugly girl they aren’t attracted to.

How do you develop mastery in basketball when you play against midgets once a week? That’s not gonna turn you into Jordan. Gotta solve getting yourself into an environment where you have ample chicks around you, like moving near a college bar district or to a better city etc if your city blows. A month sarging 6 nights a week in Vegas will rack you up more reference experience than 5 years in Podunk, Nowhere.

This is also why we stress that this is a LONG process. It’s not an overnight fix. You can make big strides overnight at first (noob gainz) but like, you’re fixing a LOT of shit and learning new behaviors/mindsets, and you need a ton of field experience.

“That’s the problem I’m having. If I don’t think in the field, then I fall in to old JBY routines and shit comes out of my mouth that tanks an approach. If I do think, I stumble and look incongruent. Really really frustrating, particularly when you’re out solo and have to pump your own state to try again. A few good stumbles and I just find myself asking when I can go home.”

This is super common, if that helps. Most guys go through this period. It’s very frustrating.

Try setting your goals lower…like accept that “ok I’m NOT going to get laid this month. That’s not going to happen, so fuck it. What I’m going to do this month is focus on a different part of the skillset each night. I’m not going to even TRY to get laid, I’m just going to focus 100% this weekend on locking eye-contact and cutting space on the girl.” This is part of why we have routines, so that you can put the verbals on autopilot (like to EVERY girl you’re going to say “excuse me help me out for a sec do you think bla bla” and just tell some autopilot story) while you consciously focus on maintaining eye-contact and cutting the space, or on kino, or on leading her around the venue, or on making EVERYTHING you say have innuendo or be sexual, or on misinterpreting EVERYTHING she says as sexual, or on slipping in a roleplay scenario between you two, etc etc and just slowly work on each part of it, THEN in a few months come back to “okay now let’s put it all together”.

It can help to break things down and take the pressure off yourself.

But more importantly: are you still working on getting to a better location (even if it’s a slow process) or have you become complacent and are trying to make do with where you are (which you’ve said is fully of shitty girls and shitty venues etc) and hoping something will change?

“I fucking miss intimate human contact so fucking bad. Been way too long since I did so much as make out with a cute chick, never mind sex. Sex has been like… once a year at most for the past 3-4 years”

It sucks ass. But the only way is forward. Do your approaches and do your Field Reports so we can point out where you could have escalated etc so that your brain in the future is like “oh this is just like that time where those guys said I should escalate, I’ll do that here”. You’re trying to improve under this veil of secrecy by not doing your Field Reports here, and you just keep coming back frustrated every few months and none of us have any idea what you’re doing out there or how you’re progressing. We can help a guy like scribbler because he’s telling us what he’s doing out there, but we can’t help you if you aren’t doing your FRs.

You’ve tried doing this on your own and it’s not working well. Help us help you. You’re like the guy who doesn’t want to ask his business coach for advice or tell him how the business is failing because he doesn’t want to reveal anything until he’s a success. That’s not productive for your progress man. We wanna see some weekly FRs of you approaching girls so we can help.

@Sentient @Blaximus
“I’ll add, not sure if this is an actual copy of the book or derivative. I’ve focused on the videos myself, there are 6 or 7 posted online, in order…”

I prefer the videos on YouTube personally…Mystery is really passionate and enthusiastic about what he’s teaching, it’s more entertaining to see him describe stuff rather than just read the dry text of it. It’s also a good reference for a guy like Sun Wukong to see someone who’s overly intelligent with a computer brain and WHY a guy like that loves game and why he loves his big ol’ brain, the dude gets off on being smarter than the people he’s interacting with and knowing exactly what they’re going to say and do and how to manipulate that, it’s like a rush for him and that enthusiasm can be good for the over-thinker types.

@hank holiday
“Guys who dismiss MM are usually keyboard jockeys. If you actually go out and look for MM in the field, its mindblowing how well it explains everything, especially if you are a noob.”

This. Thank god you guys are here lol I’m used to having to defend Mystery solo. It makes me happy to see that people still appreciate the shit MM is explaining. It’s literally the roadmap to understanding so much about the world around us and it’s just sitting there being ignored by guys who are looking for the answers that are IN MM lol It’s like watching guys starving themselves to death complaining about being hungry when they’re sitting beside a buffet because someone whispered “careful with that buffet, there’s a few TRICKS in thereπŸ˜‰ ;)” and so they’re disregarding it.

“The other thing is the refrain that MM “Only works on dumb bar sluts”. Which betrays a madonna/whore complex. AWALT.”

This.

“Its regular girls, who don’t get hit on as much as the “dumb bar sluts”, who respond to MM the most.”

This.

“TL:DR — that’s why guys get so worked up about MM. It gives you the blueprint of how attraction progresses and tells you how to work a room and become the coolest guy there. While it helps EVERYONE, it helps spergy introverted guys the MOST.

When people like Jin and fleezer shit all over MM, it discorages the very guys who need MM the most from studying it.”

THIS. Thankyou. Fuck. lol

A lot of you guys won’t really work with “students” or help teach buddies or whatever, long-term so you won’t see what happens to guys who go down these various paths. You won’t see guys end up like George Sodini or Elliot Rodger, frustrated that what they were taught isn’t working the way it was supposed to and not knowing where to find answers that explain shit about the world that doesn’t make sense to them.

But those guys are lurking here, and all over the communities, looking for help and there are very useful resources available to them and it’s important that they FIND those resources instead of get discouraged from them because some guy with a madonna/whore complex says “that’s designed to get bipolar LSE girls” or “you can’t learn it, it’s MAGIC”

@charmer
“hey man, can you tell me how to not make her an alpha widow? With the you making an emotional impact, setting boundaries and the no commitment thing, if she leaves you without you showing her that you are a beta (needy, desparate, no boundaries) she is bound to become an alpha widow. How to make sure that when she breaks up with you, she thinks of you as a chode and forgets you?”

She probably won’t think of you as a chode if you’ve attracted her properly though you could try just acting beta/chode/supplicative and see what happens (basically smother her with supplicative affection and stop enforcing boundaries etc). But ideally you just try to avoid her catching too many feelings for you from the start by doing stuff like not seeing her very often (once a week MAX, ideally once every two weeks) and not doing relationship cuddly date/boyfriend stuff with her and juggling other girls (and making sure she knows) and not txting her all day etc Like don’t build too deep a connection.

@Forge the Sky
“The past couple of weekends I’ve tried going out w some dudes I know (3 different circles) and OH MY GOD it’s all married man/chode shit with them if I try pickup. Even w the dude that used to study this shit.”

This is why I tell guys to focus on this shit in their 20s. You can handle your career when your friends are all settled down into their married chode lives and don’t want to go out anymore lol It’s a lot harder to pick this stuff up in your 30s when your buddies don’t want to go out and are all Blue Pill conditioned into marriages and half of them are in sexless deadbedroom LTRs.

“Me: ‘Uh, so you gonna go somewhere with that innuendo or should I?’
Her: ‘that’s what I was thinking.’

Then I did some awkward but not terrible shit I suppose. Said I liked a girl who just went for the innuendo…,teased her that she was blushing…. Still, facepalm. I went nowhere with that easy pass.”

lol wut where was KISS??? lol I literally did a double-take reading that thinking I missed the part where you made out. Fuckin guy, you gave that poor girl blue vag lol

“Fuck me, I still haven’t memorized a canned open for when my brain freezes.”

DO IT NOW. Take out a pen and paper or whatever or go in front of the mirror and practice your fav canned opener. Quit reading these words I’m typing that you’re reading right now and go fucking handle this shit THEN come back and fuck around on here and fap to pornhub. Or you’re just gonna run into the same situation lol

@Forge the Sky @Sun Wukong
“I’m the definition of good internal game with little external game. I need whatever push I can to get out often.”

In the old days guys like Tyler, Mystery, Style, Ozzie, etc would literally travel to other countries/states/cities/etc just for the change to sarge with other guys on the same page as them for a weekend. It was a sacrifice but 2 guys going hardcore for a weekend can do a lot in a short time and it can help make the growing pains easier. How much is a flight in a the long-run? Will you really miss a few hundred bucks when you’re 60? Can you cancel a Netflix subscription and save up for the chance to meet up with other guys on the same path as you? Think outside the box and make sacrifices to get what you want.

“I love Tyler’s ‘I can’t go home with you. I’m too shy.’”

Here you go Sun, try saying this in every single set. Every girl you talk to, the second she gives ONE ioi (laughs at a joke, touches you, asks you a question, plays with her hair, smiling at you, etc), say “I can’t go home with you, I’m too shy.” Out of nowhere. Just say it. Do that for like 3 nights out in every single set no matter what. Tell yourself “I’m not going to get laid, I’m just going to practice saying this ONE THING and spotting those iois”. After that you can work on adding cutting space to it, or touching her, or transitioning into a sexual routine, or escalating physically, etc etc Baby step it with actionable missions and accept that you won’t get laid for a few months because you’re going to focus on each little aspect of the skillset one by one and just fap to pornhub when you get home lol

“Just my sense of humor maybe.”

Self-amusement is key, but everyone’s self-amusement is different, gotta figure out what makes YOU laugh…make yourself laugh infield and it doesn’t matter how the girl reacts, you’ll still be putting yourself in a good state for the next girl:

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@Rollo
Giving the audio a listen. From skimming Currie’s YouTube stuff he’s just selling the standard “repackage PUA stuff and dumb it down into a less efficient but easier/faster to learn, more spam-approach based system” and focusing on the same aspects Naturals focus on (go up in a good state and shut your brain off and then just show intent, touch, calibrate, etc) which is great for certain types of guys but probably isn’t useful for the hardcase newbies who don’t already have some social skill/awareness.

And because he’s focused so much on Natural stuff (I’m assuming he was a Natural and he’s not like a weird anti-social Tyler type who learned game consciously) he has the same blind spots as lots of Naturals do, like not “believing in” subcomms when half of his game is based around calibrating to the girl’s subcomms (body language etc) and using his own subcomms to DHV immediately (A1) and check for compliance (checking to see if he has A2) and showing interest (A3) etc etc etc

Standard stuff but it looks like he has good marketing ’cause I’ve heard his name before.

Listening to the interview now but I almost don’t need to ’cause that glance at his YouTube stuff tells me why he doesn’t “believe in” subcomms and why he’s harping on direct game. Same thing a normal Natural who doesn’t really think about game in-depth does. Like, it’s surface level stuff. It’s not useless but the guys who like guys like RSD Tim or Alex are going to resonate more with it than the guys who like Tyler/Mystery/Todd where they need to understand concepts in depth.


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@Rollo
Giving the audio a listen. From skimming Currie’s YouTube stuff he’s just selling the standard “repackage PUA stuff and dumb it down into a less efficient but easier/faster to learn, more spam-approach based system” and focusing on the same aspects Naturals focus on (go up in a good state and shut your brain off and then just show intent, touch, calibrate, etc) which is great for certain types of guys but probably isn’t useful for the hardcase newbies who don’t already have some social skill/awareness.

And because he’s focused so much on Natural stuff (I’m assuming he was a Natural and he’s not like a weird anti-social Tyler type who learned game consciously) he has the same blind spots as lots of Naturals do, like not “believing in” subcomms when half of his game is based around calibrating to the girl’s subcomms (body language etc) and using his own subcomms to DHV immediately (A1) and check for compliance (checking to see if he has A2) and showing interest (A3) etc etc etc

Standard stuff but it looks like he has good marketing ’cause I’ve heard his name before.

Listening to the interview now but I almost don’t need to ’cause that glance at his YouTube stuff tells me why he doesn’t “believe in” subcomms and why he’s harping on direct game. Same thing a normal Natural who doesn’t really think about game in-depth does. Like, it’s surface level stuff. It’s not useless but the guys who like guys like RSD Tim or Alex are going to resonate more with it than the guys who like Tyler/Mystery/Todd where they need to understand concepts in depth.


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lol Currie sounds EXACTLY like what my Natural buddies would sound like if I gave them a microphone and said “teach guys how you get laid”. Same vibe of “everything I’m saying is the most brilliant thing anyone has ever said and MUST be causing my audience massive revelations at how genius it is as I educate them” The whole first like 30 min is just him talking about how awesome he is in various ways and his break music is girls saying over and over that he’s the verbal erotic seduction king preselecting him to his viewers etc etc lol I’m not hating on the guy, it’s entertaining shit, just a lot of fluff mixed into it.

But his actual game approach/understanding is nothing that isn’t covered in better depth elsewhere in the community. It’s the classic “this is the way that works for ME, so this is THE WAY(TM). Because it works for ME, so this is the way it’s DONE. I like verbals, I’m good with verbals, and I get laid when I use verbals, so trust me bro, verbals are the most important part, don’t listen to that silly subcomm stuff” solipsism thing that all Naturals do where it’s like “trust me bro you gotta wear a red shirt, bitches LOVE red shirts man, every time I wear my red shirt I get laid, CASE CLOSED” And he’ll hype up his way and dismiss the other, like “a BLUE shirt? Bro, lemme tell ya, bro listen…Blue shirts…haven’t got SHIT on Red shirts man.” Like just steamrolling with vibe over logic/in-depth discussion of the dynamics of why the shirt would make a difference and why I can show him footage of guys wearing blue shirts getting pussy etc

That’s why he has trouble believing in subcom stuff and he probably won’t go out and approach girls without talking or see how little verbal game he CAN use infield. The funny part is he probably HAS done minor-verbal sets before and pulled but just doesn’t remember them because they aren’t a part of his RAS since his product is promoting a specific method (I mean the guy pitches himself as “the king of verbal seduction” “the erotic conversationalist”). It’s the Bruce Lee thing of getting too stuck on rigid patterns and forms instead of being open to evolving…classic shit that happens when you sell a “system”.

The beauty of Mystery Method was that it was based around giving the widest variety of guys the widest variety of tools to succeed in the widest variety of situations with the widest variety of girls. Like, with an HSE girl who shit-tests you, you ignore her in set and drop multiple negs on her till she behaves and refuse to give her Comfort until she’s begging for it and passes hardcore qualifiers because she won’t appreciate it if you give it too easily. With an HSE girl who shit-tests you, you neg her once and let it go. With an LSE girl who shit-tests you you use cocky-funny and misinterpret etc. With an LSE girl who behaves you just be nice to her and lead her into Comfort quickly. With a girl who thinks you’re lower value than her, you neg her etc to show that you aren’t impressed by her, which subcomms that you are probably around girls like her which subcomms value. With a girl who thinks you’re way higher value than her, you don’t neg or tease and you qualify her on why you like her so that she feels like her value is equal to yours and she deserves you. And that’s not even getting into running group sets, mixed sets, dealing with AMOGs, daygame, etc etc

And all of that shit is in the oldschool resources, esp when you combine the Tyler Digest with Mystery Method.

Something like what Currie is promoting is sort of like, certain guys will resonate with it and it’ll work on certain girls (or quickly screen out the ones it doesn’t work on) and that’s fine but it’s kind of like GLL’s 15 min to a lay video or Krausers daygame stuff where it doesn’t seem like it covers much outside of that niche situation. Currie has enough Natural charm that he’ll befriend the friends on autopilot, but a lot of guys coming to PUA for help need to know exactly HOW to do that, like HOW do you build rapport with people step by step etc Or he’ll handle shit-tests naturally while socially stunted guys need cocky/funny explained to them in-depth like “but how do I BE cocky/funny? What can I say??” Just like Krauser’s daygame stuff probably isn’t going to hold up in a kiddie nightclub. The value in Mystery Method was how versatile a skillset it gave you to handle pretty much ANY situation.

He doesn’t seem like a bad guy, like I don’t think he’s a scammer, I think he believes what he’s saying and it sounds like he’s trying to help guys speed their game up (in his view). But he’s just got the classic Natural mentality of surface-level understanding. Like a mathmetician using a calculator instead of understanding how to do math by hand…dude may still produce good results on your projects, and that’s cool, but if you asked him to show his work step by step for someone else without a calculator to learn from he probably wouldn’t be able to do it without starting his sentences with “so you just take your calculator and–”

I love his vibe as a Natural tho, makes me miss a few of my old buddies. I’m sure he’d be a blast to grab a beer with and fun to go sarging/partying with lol

Jesus christ this is like 4 hours long lol…I’ll just keep adding notes as you guys talk:

– Currie BELIEVES in subcomms, when it’s women giving them off. Half his M.O. is based on look at her subcomms to try to guess if she wants to fuck or not (which to Naturals often means “look for an Approach Invite like sexy eye-contact”, so they can go in and not get shot down and continue their “battin a thousand” streak in their mind). So he consciously knows that if a woman gives off certain subcomms it triggers shit in him, and we know that women can learn to give off those subcomms on purpose (like the flirt that has every man in the room wrapped around her finger with no intention of actually fucking them, aka strippers etc), but when it comes to GUYS having/displaying subcomms…NOPE IT’S ALL VERBAL ALSO HERE’S A SYSTEM OF VERBAL GAME I’M SELLING lol Blind spots.

– It’s funny he mentions Bad Boy. A HUGE part of Bad Boy’s game is subcomms. He had a video on body language (taking up space when you sit down, entering a room confidently, etc) that we all used to make fun of (good-natured).

– listening to the subcommunications part now…I thought you were exaggerating about how he doesn’t “believe” in them but you weren’t wow lol I mean, here’s the thing: the indirect guys (like how he’s describing Yad) think directly expressing verbally you want sex will blow the set and the direct guys think not directly expressing it will get you friendzoned. But they’re just talking past eachother. The reality is you can go either way…the key is expressing sexual intent. You CAN do that through verbals (like Currie sounds like a fan of), but you can also show it through subcomms/physicality/etc. The problem is when you have an imbalance where you’re showing sexual intent through your verbals AND through your touch etc when you haven’t got enough interest yet, or the flip-side you’re giving no verbal sexual intent AND no phyiscal sexual intent when you HAVE interest.

Someone like Tyler will go up and talk about the weather and platonic shit, but he’s pulling the girl in and lasering her and talking in a low slow sexy voice etc He’s showing sexual intent through his subcomms and physicality. Whereas I don’t like to kino in my sets or go direct so I’ll do full verbal sexual talk but it’ll be about 3rd party stuff or myself (telling a sexual story) VS directly hitting on HER, and I barely touch them at all, but I’m showing sexual intent through the sexual talk I’m doing and my subcomms, instead of physicality. Currie is showing direct sexual intent to HER through his verbals and minor physicality and naturally a bit through his subcomms but he’s not focused on it.

The end result in all 3 approaches is that the girl knows you have a dick, without triggering ASD, which is the important part. How you get to that point doesn’t really matter.

When Yad pictures Currie’s direct game, he’s picturing a barrage of sexual verbals, sexual physicality, sexual subcomms etc and that can be too much and blow things, the same when Currie picture’s what you’re saying about indirect he pictures a newbie running talking about asexual topics, not touching the girl sexually, and not having sexual subcomms going, so he’s going to bore her into the platonic friend zone (or take a million hours to get her turned on and into bed).

Both are inaccurate assessments of the other style of game and, not to hate on them but, not understanding both sides of this is kind of an indicator that the guy talking about it hasn’t really spent much time outside his comfort zone trying different stuff (which is common for a Natural).

Franco at 1:45 is a good example of subcomms (personally I think Franco hammed it up because he knows the chicks watching soap operas get off on this stuff lol):

Laser eye-contact, speed of speech, bedroom tonality, slow movements, etc add in cutting the space like that Gambler vid I linked and you have a recipe for massive sexual tension, without having to verbalize it.

32:10 (really it’s from like 25:00 – 40:00):

And again an in-depth breakdown by Liam (demos start at 13:42 in):

Focusing on these subcomms is a consistent thing you can consciously do, it’s not woowoo. These guys are breaking it down step by step. Currie needs to watch these vids and then go out for a few months and try minimal verbal game and focus on subcomms until he can do it, THEN go back to his verbal game with a better understanding of how attraction works.

It would be entirely different if Currie was like “look I get it, this subcomms thing is easily observable and I realize now that I’m doing it myself, but I think going direct is faster” and that’s a whole ‘nother discussion in itself. But his view is “subcomms are imaginary and you can’t build sexual tension without direct sexual verbals” and shows a limited understanding of the underlying concepts of how attraction/seduction works. You can literally go try this for yourself this weekend, just do the stuff La Ruina and Liam are demonstrating.

When you have subcomms like that, you don’t have to talk about sexual stuff (and that can even trigger ASD because it’s too much), you don’t have to verbalize that you want to fuck her, you both just KNOW because you’re communicating on the subcomm channel.

– He says: “My main problem with subcomms is women who are seasoned savvy manipulative time wasters, they KNOW how to give you the IMPRESSION that they MIGHT give you some pussy. So if you’re doing all that indirect subcomms, they just string you along for hours days weeks months, make you THINK you got a greater than 50% chance of fucking them only for them to later on go no we ain’t fuckin. I don’t wanna waste that time I want to know by the end of my conversation if we’re fucking”

This is again a fundamental misunderstanding of game and again can be traced back to his Natural roots where, when he was running subcomm game he wasn’t qualifying the girls properly to screen out time wasters which is, again, pretty common for Naturals who just pounce on iois and hump the girl’s leg until they get laid instead of screening and making them chase harder which is where indirect/Mystery Method comes in. So he’s viewing guys running subcomm stuff as getting led around because from his Natural style of game back in the day he was chasing girls when they gave him iois and found himself getting dicked around. That’s cool that happens to most guys. But where he goes off target is he translates that to indirect game as a whole instead of his own game being flawed. Again the Natural’s solipsism in action (if I didn’t make it work, no one ELSE can, it must be wrong, what I’m doing works for me so it’s the right way).

Basically it’s like he took a boxing class for a day and didn’t do well with it so he’s calling boxing stupid with that Natural certainty/enthusiasm that he has lol

He’s literally not even talking about the same thing, time wasters has nothing to do with subcomms and sexual intent. But his general idea is “if I’m directly sexual right away, she either shits or gets off the pot”, which is a fine strategy, it’s the same as GLL’s, but it’s just a numbers game and is kind of sloppy/limited. The way we screen for time-wasters is by making the girl chase us, by indirectly demonstrating high-value to her (with stuff like preselection, jealousy plotlines, disqualifying, qualifying her, push/pull, takeaways, etc etc) so that she doesn’t WANT to waste our time, she wants to WIN us because we’re showing value. In his frame, he’s the one chasing them, in our frame we make them chase us.

There’s nothing really wrong with what he’s teaching. It’s just the same as GLL but smoother and it’s limited/spamming.

It’s funny because you can literally hear it in how he describes his Modes at 1:43 lol:

“Mode 1 is when you meet a woman and within a matter of 3-5 minutes you throw your cards on the table and say this is why I’m talkin to you these are my desires and intentions” bla bla. But he glosses over what that 3-5 minutes contains. Then he describes “Mode 2 is when a guy is first gonna take steps to get a woman to like him, have a favorable opinion of him, feel more quote unquote comfortable in his presence, he wants to make sure the woman thinks he’s a likable trustworthy guy” That’s what he’s doing in the first 3-5 minutes of Mode 1, in one of his YouTube vids he steps in on the girl and says “now if she backs off then I know not to go too sexual with my talk yet” (UNTIL SHE’S QUOTE UNQUOTE COMFORTABLE AND TRUSTS HIM ETC) lol

Like him not being able to see his own cognitive dissonance is why Naturals generally don’t make good teachers. See the difference between his 3-5 minutes in Mode 1 and what Mode 2 guy is doing is that he LIKES Mode 1, so it’s the BEST, and he even describes Mode 2 with massive distate so it’s the WORST even though he’s doing the same thing. But in his mind Mode 2 takes 10000 hours to do and girls waste your time etc. Which shows that he doesn’t fundamentally understand indirect game or Mystery Method and how fast you can escalate with it (hint it’s as fast as that 3-5 minutes).

He’s working with a wrong assumption of what PUA is teaching so everything he’s saying from there is built off an incorrect premise.

He got led on by girls and time-wasted, and didn’t learn how to get girls to chase him so that they don’t waste his time. It’s like guys who go out and get a bunch of shaky numbers and they all flake and they go “OH NUMBERS ARE USELESS”. No, you just don’t know how to make them solid yet, did you time bridge? No? Did you text properly? No? Did you stick around after you got the number? No? Then you fucked up, that’s your game that’s flawed then.

From his wikipedia:

“”The main weakness in most of the behavior of the typical pickup artist (PUA) is they tend to be deeply afraid of harsh, subjective criticisms from women, as well as abrupt rejection. When you are afraid of negative responses and/or harsh criticism, that puts you into Mode Two behavior; when you are afraid of being rejected and/or indefinitely ignored, that puts you into Mode Three behavior. PUA’s are manipulative in their behavior, which in turn, opens them up to be easily manipulated.””

Currie has criticized attraction and seduction techniques which emphasize or utilize misleading or manipulative tactics, saying, “Manipulation can provide benefits in the short-run, but very rarely if ever in the long-run. At some point, your real, true self will come to the surface.” He has said that attempts to manipulate make people more vulnerable to themselves being manipulated”

Standard anti-PUA-buy-my-product-I’m-the-NAWALT-even-tho-I’m-just-teaching-you-PUA-stuff-repackaged stuff lol

He has a complete misunderstanding of indirect game lol And doesn’t really have a reason to correct his assumptions because what he’s doing works for him and he has a system he’s selling based around that.

The rest of this interview sounds like normal red pill talk, but this covers the indirect VS direct stuff.

I really wish more pickup companies could pitch their system without shitting on other systems. When you hear Tyler talk he never talks shit about other companies or shits on daygame over nightgame or indirect over direct, he accurately points out that every method has it’s pros and cons and some guys will resonate with some systems better than others but that there are key principles that need to be triggered/hit regardless of HOW you do it.


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lol Currie sounds EXACTLY like what my Natural buddies would sound like if I gave them a microphone and said “teach guys how you get laid”. Same vibe of “everything I’m saying is the most brilliant thing anyone has ever said and MUST be causing my audience massive revelations at how genius it is as I educate them” The whole first like 30 min is just him talking about how awesome he is in various ways and his break music is girls saying over and over that he’s the verbal erotic seduction king preselecting him to his viewers etc etc lol I’m not hating on the guy, it’s entertaining shit, just a lot of fluff mixed into it.

But his actual game approach/understanding is nothing that isn’t covered in better depth elsewhere in the community. It’s the classic “this is the way that works for ME, so this is THE WAY(TM). Because it works for ME, so this is the way it’s DONE. I like verbals, I’m good with verbals, and I get laid when I use verbals, so trust me bro, verbals are the most important part, don’t listen to that silly subcomm stuff” solipsism thing that all Naturals do where it’s like “trust me bro you gotta wear a red shirt, bitches LOVE red shirts man, every time I wear my red shirt I get laid, CASE CLOSED” And he’ll hype up his way and dismiss the other, like “a BLUE shirt? Bro, lemme tell ya, bro listen…Blue shirts…haven’t got SHIT on Red shirts man.” Like just steamrolling with vibe over logic/in-depth discussion of the dynamics of why the shirt would make a difference and why I can show him footage of guys wearing blue shirts getting pussy etc

That’s why he has trouble believing in subcom stuff and he probably won’t go out and approach girls without talking or see how little verbal game he CAN use infield. The funny part is he probably HAS done minor-verbal sets before and pulled but just doesn’t remember them because they aren’t a part of his RAS since his product is promoting a specific method (I mean the guy pitches himself as “the king of verbal seduction” “the erotic conversationalist”). It’s the Bruce Lee thing of getting too stuck on rigid patterns and forms instead of being open to evolving…classic shit that happens when you sell a “system”.

The beauty of Mystery Method was that it was based around giving the widest variety of guys the widest variety of tools to succeed in the widest variety of situations with the widest variety of girls. Like, with an HSE girl who shit-tests you, you ignore her in set and drop multiple negs on her till she behaves and refuse to give her Comfort until she’s begging for it and passes hardcore qualifiers because she won’t appreciate it if you give it too easily. With an HSE girl who shit-tests you, you neg her once and let it go. With an LSE girl who shit-tests you you use cocky-funny and misinterpret etc. With an LSE girl who behaves you just be nice to her and lead her into Comfort quickly. With a girl who thinks you’re lower value than her, you neg her etc to show that you aren’t impressed by her, which subcomms that you are probably around girls like her which subcomms value. With a girl who thinks you’re way higher value than her, you don’t neg or tease and you qualify her on why you like her so that she feels like her value is equal to yours and she deserves you. And that’s not even getting into running group sets, mixed sets, dealing with AMOGs, daygame, etc etc

And all of that shit is in the oldschool resources, esp when you combine the Tyler Digest with Mystery Method.

Something like what Currie is promoting is sort of like, certain guys will resonate with it and it’ll work on certain girls (or quickly screen out the ones it doesn’t work on) and that’s fine but it’s kind of like GLL’s 15 min to a lay video or Krausers daygame stuff where it doesn’t seem like it covers much outside of that niche situation. Currie has enough Natural charm that he’ll befriend the friends on autopilot, but a lot of guys coming to PUA for help need to know exactly HOW to do that, like HOW do you build rapport with people step by step etc Or he’ll handle shit-tests naturally while socially stunted guys need cocky/funny explained to them in-depth like “but how do I BE cocky/funny? What can I say??” Just like Krauser’s daygame stuff probably isn’t going to hold up in a kiddie nightclub. The value in Mystery Method was how versatile a skillset it gave you to handle pretty much ANY situation.

He doesn’t seem like a bad guy, like I don’t think he’s a scammer, I think he believes what he’s saying and it sounds like he’s trying to help guys speed their game up (in his view). But he’s just got the classic Natural mentality of surface-level understanding. Like a mathmetician using a calculator instead of understanding how to do math by hand…dude may still produce good results on your projects, and that’s cool, but if you asked him to show his work step by step for someone else without a calculator to learn from he probably wouldn’t be able to do it without starting his sentences with “so you just take your calculator and–”

I love his vibe as a Natural tho, makes me miss a few of my old buddies. I’m sure he’d be a blast to grab a beer with and fun to go sarging/partying with lol

Jesus christ this is like 4 hours long lol…I’ll just keep adding notes as you guys talk:

– Currie BELIEVES in subcomms, when it’s women giving them off. Half his M.O. is based on look at her subcomms to try to guess if she wants to fuck or not (which to Naturals often means “look for an Approach Invite like sexy eye-contact”, so they can go in and not get shot down and continue their “battin a thousand” streak in their mind). So he consciously knows that if a woman gives off certain subcomms it triggers shit in him, and we know that women can learn to give off those subcomms on purpose (like the flirt that has every man in the room wrapped around her finger with no intention of actually fucking them, aka strippers etc), but when it comes to GUYS having/displaying subcomms…NOPE IT’S ALL VERBAL ALSO HERE’S A SYSTEM OF VERBAL GAME I’M SELLING lol Blind spots.

– It’s funny he mentions Bad Boy. A HUGE part of Bad Boy’s game is subcomms. He had a video on body language (taking up space when you sit down, entering a room confidently, etc) that we all used to make fun of (good-natured).

– listening to the subcommunications part now…I thought you were exaggerating about how he doesn’t “believe” in them but you weren’t wow lol I mean, here’s the thing: the indirect guys (like how he’s describing Yad) think directly expressing verbally you want sex will blow the set and the direct guys think not directly expressing it will get you friendzoned. But they’re just talking past eachother. The reality is you can go either way…the key is expressing sexual intent. You CAN do that through verbals (like Currie sounds like a fan of), but you can also show it through subcomms/physicality/etc. The problem is when you have an imbalance where you’re showing sexual intent through your verbals AND through your touch etc when you haven’t got enough interest yet, or the flip-side you’re giving no verbal sexual intent AND no phyiscal sexual intent when you HAVE interest.

Someone like Tyler will go up and talk about the weather and platonic shit, but he’s pulling the girl in and lasering her and talking in a low slow sexy voice etc He’s showing sexual intent through his subcomms and physicality. Whereas I don’t like to kino in my sets or go direct so I’ll do full verbal sexual talk but it’ll be about 3rd party stuff or myself (telling a sexual story) VS directly hitting on HER, and I barely touch them at all, but I’m showing sexual intent through the sexual talk I’m doing and my subcomms, instead of physicality. Currie is showing direct sexual intent to HER through his verbals and minor physicality and naturally a bit through his subcomms but he’s not focused on it.

The end result in all 3 approaches is that the girl knows you have a dick, without triggering ASD, which is the important part. How you get to that point doesn’t really matter.

When Yad pictures Currie’s direct game, he’s picturing a barrage of sexual verbals, sexual physicality, sexual subcomms etc and that can be too much and blow things, the same when Currie picture’s what you’re saying about indirect he pictures a newbie running talking about asexual topics, not touching the girl sexually, and not having sexual subcomms going, so he’s going to bore her into the platonic friend zone (or take a million hours to get her turned on and into bed).

Both are inaccurate assessments of the other style of game and, not to hate on them but, not understanding both sides of this is kind of an indicator that the guy talking about it hasn’t really spent much time outside his comfort zone trying different stuff (which is common for a Natural).

Franco at 1:45 is a good example of subcomms (personally I think Franco hammed it up because he knows the chicks watching soap operas get off on this stuff lol):

Laser eye-contact, speed of speech, bedroom tonality, slow movements, etc add in cutting the space like that Gambler vid I linked and you have a recipe for massive sexual tension, without having to verbalize it.

32:10 (really it’s from like 25:00 – 40:00):

And again an in-depth breakdown by Liam (demos start at 13:42 in):

Focusing on these subcomms is a consistent thing you can consciously do, it’s not woowoo. These guys are breaking it down step by step. Currie needs to watch these vids and then go out for a few months and try minimal verbal game and focus on subcomms until he can do it, THEN go back to his verbal game with a better understanding of how attraction works.

It would be entirely different if Currie was like “look I get it, this subcomms thing is easily observable and I realize now that I’m doing it myself, but I think going direct is faster” and that’s a whole ‘nother discussion in itself. But his view is “subcomms are imaginary and you can’t build sexual tension without direct sexual verbals” and shows a limited understanding of the underlying concepts of how attraction/seduction works. You can literally go try this for yourself this weekend, just do the stuff La Ruina and Liam are demonstrating.

When you have subcomms like that, you don’t have to talk about sexual stuff (and that can even trigger ASD because it’s too much), you don’t have to verbalize that you want to fuck her, you both just KNOW because you’re communicating on the subcomm channel.

– He says: “My main problem with subcomms is women who are seasoned savvy manipulative time wasters, they KNOW how to give you the IMPRESSION that they MIGHT give you some pussy. So if you’re doing all that indirect subcomms, they just string you along for hours days weeks months, make you THINK you got a greater than 50% chance of fucking them only for them to later on go no we ain’t fuckin. I don’t wanna waste that time I want to know by the end of my conversation if we’re fucking”

This is again a fundamental misunderstanding of game and again can be traced back to his Natural roots where, when he was running subcomm game he wasn’t qualifying the girls properly to screen out time wasters which is, again, pretty common for Naturals who just pounce on iois and hump the girl’s leg until they get laid instead of screening and making them chase harder which is where indirect/Mystery Method comes in. So he’s viewing guys running subcomm stuff as getting led around because from his Natural style of game back in the day he was chasing girls when they gave him iois and found himself getting dicked around. That’s cool that happens to most guys. But where he goes off target is he translates that to indirect game as a whole instead of his own game being flawed. Again the Natural’s solipsism in action (if I didn’t make it work, no one ELSE can, it must be wrong, what I’m doing works for me so it’s the right way).

Basically it’s like he took a boxing class for a day and didn’t do well with it so he’s calling boxing stupid with that Natural certainty/enthusiasm that he has lol

He’s literally not even talking about the same thing, time wasters has nothing to do with subcomms and sexual intent. But his general idea is “if I’m directly sexual right away, she either shits or gets off the pot”, which is a fine strategy, it’s the same as GLL’s, but it’s just a numbers game and is kind of sloppy/limited. The way we screen for time-wasters is by making the girl chase us, by indirectly demonstrating high-value to her (with stuff like preselection, jealousy plotlines, disqualifying, qualifying her, push/pull, takeaways, etc etc) so that she doesn’t WANT to waste our time, she wants to WIN us because we’re showing value. In his frame, he’s the one chasing them, in our frame we make them chase us.

There’s nothing really wrong with what he’s teaching. It’s just the same as GLL but smoother and it’s limited/spamming.

It’s funny because you can literally hear it in how he describes his Modes at 1:43 lol:

“Mode 1 is when you meet a woman and within a matter of 3-5 minutes you throw your cards on the table and say this is why I’m talkin to you these are my desires and intentions” bla bla. But he glosses over what that 3-5 minutes contains. Then he describes “Mode 2 is when a guy is first gonna take steps to get a woman to like him, have a favorable opinion of him, feel more quote unquote comfortable in his presence, he wants to make sure the woman thinks he’s a likable trustworthy guy” That’s what he’s doing in the first 3-5 minutes of Mode 1, in one of his YouTube vids he steps in on the girl and says “now if she backs off then I know not to go too sexual with my talk yet” (UNTIL SHE’S QUOTE UNQUOTE COMFORTABLE AND TRUSTS HIM ETC) lol

Like him not being able to see his own cognitive dissonance is why Naturals generally don’t make good teachers. See the difference between his 3-5 minutes in Mode 1 and what Mode 2 guy is doing is that he LIKES Mode 1, so it’s the BEST, and he even describes Mode 2 with massive distate so it’s the WORST even though he’s doing the same thing. But in his mind Mode 2 takes 10000 hours to do and girls waste your time etc. Which shows that he doesn’t fundamentally understand indirect game or Mystery Method and how fast you can escalate with it (hint it’s as fast as that 3-5 minutes).

He’s working with a wrong assumption of what PUA is teaching so everything he’s saying from there is built off an incorrect premise.

He got led on by girls and time-wasted, and didn’t learn how to get girls to chase him so that they don’t waste his time. It’s like guys who go out and get a bunch of shaky numbers and they all flake and they go “OH NUMBERS ARE USELESS”. No, you just don’t know how to make them solid yet, did you time bridge? No? Did you text properly? No? Did you stick around after you got the number? No? Then you fucked up, that’s your game that’s flawed then.

From his wikipedia:

“”The main weakness in most of the behavior of the typical pickup artist (PUA) is they tend to be deeply afraid of harsh, subjective criticisms from women, as well as abrupt rejection. When you are afraid of negative responses and/or harsh criticism, that puts you into Mode Two behavior; when you are afraid of being rejected and/or indefinitely ignored, that puts you into Mode Three behavior. PUA’s are manipulative in their behavior, which in turn, opens them up to be easily manipulated.””

Currie has criticized attraction and seduction techniques which emphasize or utilize misleading or manipulative tactics, saying, “Manipulation can provide benefits in the short-run, but very rarely if ever in the long-run. At some point, your real, true self will come to the surface.” He has said that attempts to manipulate make people more vulnerable to themselves being manipulated”

Standard anti-PUA-buy-my-product-I’m-the-NAWALT-even-tho-I’m-just-teaching-you-PUA-stuff-repackaged stuff lol

He has a complete misunderstanding of indirect game lol And doesn’t really have a reason to correct his assumptions because what he’s doing works for him and he has a system he’s selling based around that.

The rest of this interview sounds like normal red pill talk, but this covers the indirect VS direct stuff.

I really wish more pickup companies could pitch their system without shitting on other systems. When you hear Tyler talk he never talks shit about other companies or shits on daygame over nightgame or indirect over direct, he accurately points out that every method has it’s pros and cons and some guys will resonate with some systems better than others but that there are key principles that need to be triggered/hit regardless of HOW you do it.


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on April 5th, 2016 at 5:01 am
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@Rollo
The thing with this stuff is that the reason I can come in and just rip apart what he’s saying and explain the differences in both sides etc is because PUA encourages guys to experiment with different methods/approaches and to push our comfort zones and try “crazy” shit like picking up foreign girls who don’t speak our language or picking up girls without talking or picking up girls without touching them or picking up girls while talking about asexual topics but then also picking up girls while touching them a ton and talking about fucking them and approaching direct, indirect, half & half, starting indirect then going direct, starting direct then backing off into indirect, go to nightclubs go to malls go to social circle parties go to other cities sarge solo sarge with buddies etc etc etc.

So the reason I know what he’s trying to say and what you’re trying to say and what Yad, who I don’t even know anything about, is saying, is because I’ve been out there mixing this stuff up just like most of us oldschool PUAs who aren’t trying to pretend we’re not PUAs and stick to rigid systems that specialize in one type of approach or environment.

This is all sitting out there in the field for anyone to learn themselves. But most guys find a formula that works and then sticks to it because they don’t want to risk NOT getting the lay or they just don’t care about understanding the psychology enough to bother mixing things up to see what happens. Which is fine, but when they start teaching a system to guys and hating on other systems that they don’t really understand, that sends newbies looking for help down spirals of dead ends and politics and drama and shit like the McDojo martial arts places arguing over how one art is “the best” and the others are stupid etc and the newbies are too new and uneducated to understand who’s full of shit or what the pros and cons of other systems/approaches are and in the end they end up the victims.

I think if you can’t make indirect AND direct work, you should either not be teaching pickup or you should be putting disclaimers on what you teach (that it’s limited to a specific setting/environment/scenario) and NOT be hating on other companies/approaches to your students because you’re doing them a disservice in the long-run by overstating your authority on the subject.

If you’re going to teach that daygame is better than nightgame, you should be able to successfully pick up in nightgame so you have an accurate assessment of the pros and cons of it instead of a biased view because you couldn’t make shit work. Same thing if you’re going to teach that nightgame is better than daygame. I can explain the pros and cons of night and daygame and WHY I recommend nightgame at the start (mass approaches) and WHY sometimes daygame is better to start with (if you live in a city with a high tourist population and high-traffic daygame area etc) and what the limitations of both styles of game are etc etc etc because I’ve done both and in the community we do both instead of focusing on just one.

If you’re going to teach that direct is king, you should be able to successfully pull same day lays with daygame. If you’re going to teach that indirect is king you should be able to pull with direct game.

And if you CAN’T then you should put disclaimers that your system is specified and you should sure as fuck not discourage your students from checking out and trying other systems by hating on them to market yourself as the NAWALT of pickup shit (especially when you’re just teaching the same shit PUA/Mystery/Tyler/etc taught repacked with your name stamped on it).


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@Rollo
The thing with this stuff is that the reason I can come in and just rip apart what he’s saying and explain the differences in both sides etc is because PUA encourages guys to experiment with different methods/approaches and to push our comfort zones and try “crazy” shit like picking up foreign girls who don’t speak our language or picking up girls without talking or picking up girls without touching them or picking up girls while talking about asexual topics but then also picking up girls while touching them a ton and talking about fucking them and approaching direct, indirect, half & half, starting indirect then going direct, starting direct then backing off into indirect, go to nightclubs go to malls go to social circle parties go to other cities sarge solo sarge with buddies etc etc etc.

So the reason I know what he’s trying to say and what you’re trying to say and what Yad, who I don’t even know anything about, is saying, is because I’ve been out there mixing this stuff up just like most of us oldschool PUAs who aren’t trying to pretend we’re not PUAs and stick to rigid systems that specialize in one type of approach or environment.

This is all sitting out there in the field for anyone to learn themselves. But most guys find a formula that works and then sticks to it because they don’t want to risk NOT getting the lay or they just don’t care about understanding the psychology enough to bother mixing things up to see what happens. Which is fine, but when they start teaching a system to guys and hating on other systems that they don’t really understand, that sends newbies looking for help down spirals of dead ends and politics and drama and shit like the McDojo martial arts places arguing over how one art is “the best” and the others are stupid etc and the newbies are too new and uneducated to understand who’s full of shit or what the pros and cons of other systems/approaches are and in the end they end up the victims.

I think if you can’t make indirect AND direct work, you should either not be teaching pickup or you should be putting disclaimers on what you teach (that it’s limited to a specific setting/environment/scenario) and NOT be hating on other companies/approaches to your students because you’re doing them a disservice in the long-run by overstating your authority on the subject.

If you’re going to teach that daygame is better than nightgame, you should be able to successfully pick up in nightgame so you have an accurate assessment of the pros and cons of it instead of a biased view because you couldn’t make shit work. Same thing if you’re going to teach that nightgame is better than daygame. I can explain the pros and cons of night and daygame and WHY I recommend nightgame at the start (mass approaches) and WHY sometimes daygame is better to start with (if you live in a city with a high tourist population and high-traffic daygame area etc) and what the limitations of both styles of game are etc etc etc because I’ve done both and in the community we do both instead of focusing on just one.

If you’re going to teach that direct is king, you should be able to successfully pull same day lays with daygame. If you’re going to teach that indirect is king you should be able to pull with direct game.

And if you CAN’T then you should put disclaimers that your system is specified and you should sure as fuck not discourage your students from checking out and trying other systems by hating on them to market yourself as the NAWALT of pickup shit (especially when you’re just teaching the same shit PUA/Mystery/Tyler/etc taught repacked with your name stamped on it).


YaReally
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“I think another aspect of the question is overt vs. covert”

This. I would say Currie is actually debating “overt VS overt” in his head, while Rollo (and Yad and myself etc) are debating “indirect VS direct”, but in the same discussion with him. Like, his view of “indirect” is this weird asexual long-form “be a nice guy around her for 7 hours and hope she picks you” thing. He doesn’t understand subcomms so he doesn’t get that you can say “the weather is cold today…” but with a slow seductive voice and laser eye-contact etc you can make that sexual.

It’s like Julien goes into depth about here, he LOVES “boring interview mode questions” because he puts different tonalities and intents behind them.

Currie just has a really limited understanding of the depths of game, but that’s again no surprise because he’s a Natural so there’s that “MY WAY IS THE BEST WAY” solipsism. Unfortunately the ones who suffer for it are the students who may end up with limited skillsets and end up having to run a numbers spam approach “BRO IT’S NOT SPAM APPROACHING IT’S JUST FAST SCREENING” game where they’re losing sets they could have gotten with just a bit of calibration on their part, just like the GLL 15 min pull discussion.

Currie is also probably a Pleasure of Sex guy so he legitimately doesn’t care about each set because he’s happy with the next girl if she puts out, whereas a lot of guys getting into game are looking to choose the type of girls they want in their life and want to know “I’m out with my friends tonight and a buddy brought this cute new single girl to our social circle, wow she’s really cool I would love to have her in my life!” and something like MM will show them steps or at least the mechanics to get her VS just seeing if she’s DTF and moving on. Again we come back to Mystery’s “5 quality girlfriends who dote on you, from 5 approaches” goal.

“Like YaReally said above, it sounds like he has good subcomms just naturally, so he’s never bothered to think about what he’s doing with them or of the possibility of using one without the other.”

This. Like I say tho no hate for the guy, there are guys who will respond well to his kind of instruction/mentalities and his overall system isn’t a bad way of DOING the spam approach stuff, like he’s thought out a good system of looking for DTF girls and doing fast calibration with them etc. It’s just a limited skillset, same problem I have with Krauser and the London Daygame guys, where their Daygame stuff IS solid, it’s a good way of doing Daygame on solo girls or girls in simple sets with no obstacles (like a jealous orbiter or hostile nightclub mother hen), it’s just a limited skillset and the students should be aware. It might be all the student needs and that is TOTALLY FINE, that’s AWESOME, the student may be PERFECTLY HAPPY with the skillset he gets and get more than enough pussy to be happy, but like, I have an issue with pitching it as better or all-encompassing and talking smack about nightgame or other companies or indirect game etc etc

“Haven’t field tested either open yet, but intend to. It’s my best guess that a bit more social energy would be helpful with the ‘tell me something fun’ open (since you’re jumping to kino/compliance quickly) whereas the ‘having most fun here’ would often open a ‘colder’ set more reliably.”

You’re on the right track with sitting down to actually SOLVE your problem, like “I ran into this situation and was unprepared, and this is a situation that will be common so I am going to focus on coming up with something I can default to in that situation”. Same thing as martial arts, it’s great to know how to defend yourself against a flying donkey kick or whatever and can do a jumping spin kick, but for the most part as a guy going to bars/clubs macking on girls you’re probably going to have to deal most commonly with a guy grabbing your shirt and swinging his fist at your face in a straight or hooking motion surrounded by a bunch of people with not much room to move, so like, focus on learning to deal with the type of scenarios you’re most likely to run into and then learn all that other cool shit.

The point of Field Reports is to find our weak sticking points and go “okay, this keeps happening, let’s sit down and solve this.” So good on you for that.

That said, let’s break this down into technical mechanics without the woowoo of “more social energy” (or “state” etc). You already know this for the most part so this is more for the newbies lurking so they can learn to spot the nuances/differences between certain types of openers:

When you’re asking her to contribute, you’re asking for compliance. But you won’t get compliance if she doesn’t think you have value. So before you can get that compliance you have to DHV. Now if you’re a good-looking dude or preselected or socially proofed or whatever, you might have DHV’ed enough before you even opened her that she IS receptive to it. I have a buddy who goes up and just says “Girls I’m bored, entertain me.”, but he’s a Natural with rock solid subcomms and goes out with big groups of people so he’s massively social proofed and preselected etc when he does go up to the girls and that opener is self-amusing to him. So it works for him.

So as long as you can DHV before using it, go for it and use it. But if you’re doing an ice cold approach where she hasn’t seen any DHV stuff from you, then “having the most fun here” might be better. Hell, start with “having the most fun here” which is teasing them, so you spike their BT which is a DHV and THEN say “tell me something fun” because now you’ve got value to them so they’re more likely to comply.

It goes back to Oldschool Tyler’s 90/10 stuff:

“Listen to Tyler explaining the 90/10 rule in his old RSD 2 hour seminar audio (google it, easy to find, I’m on my phonr lol) where he coaches the guy through the 90/10 rule and has him go from “you have beautiful skin….(“thanks! ….thankyouuuu….??”)” expecting her to contribute, and coaches him into transitioning into a story about ancient amazon women using blah on their skin to blah, where now he’s offering value and become interesting and from THERE she might go 50/50.

Basically where can you take this “you have an interesting face” that will progress the interaction toward a lay? Why is it interesting? What does it remind you of? How can you lead toward something sexual with it?

So I might say something like “ya, it’s your chipmunk cheeks, they reminds me of this girl back in high school that I used to have a huge crush on. She broke my heart, so I don’t think this relationship is going to work out. The wounds are too fresh, it’s not you, it’s me. We should keep our relationship to shallow meaningless sex so I don’t get hurt again.”

Or “ya it’s the way you bite your lip…I have a feeling you’re not as innocent as people think you are.πŸ˜‰ (to her friends) Girls, she’s actually the bad girl of the group, isn’t she.”

etc etc. basically I’m taking your bit and then using it to transition to sexual talk and future projection and role playing and cold-reading etc. vs “you have an interesting face.” “Is that good?” “I dunno I haven’t decided yet…” “…okayyy…? Thanks…?” “…” “…” “So umm what’s your name?”zzzzzzzzz…

Always be leading toward your goal. Right from the start.”

So while you don’t have to memorize and always execute “ok how can I take this throwaway default opener and turn it into a lay”, it’s good to mentally think out a route from that opener to the lay juuuust to have it in the back of your head, even though the PRIMARY focus is on “just have a default opener or two to fall back on with any girl when I’m frozen up” and increase your % by understanding that one opener is asking for compliance while the other isn’t so guage infield that if you’re having a decent day/night and feel like you’re in a good state you can probably skip right to the “tell me something fun” and get compliance but if you’re feeling out of it or it’s some chick that’s blindsided you in a grocery store aisle, consider throwing in a tease etc first and THEN use “tell me something fun”.

It’s all about little tweaks that increase your %πŸ™‚

To take it back to Currie, Currie can go up and say pretty much anything because he sounds like a naturally jolly/charismatic dude, so when he goes up he’s pretty much ALWAYS radiating good subcomms (which is probably why he doesn’t think about them much, VS a guy like Tyler or myself or a lot of newbies who came into game with weird awkward subcomms and has had to consciously fix them over the years). And because he’s a confident dude he would probably interpret positive responses like that as the girl being DTF and she would BE DTF because she’s pinging off him and he has a good vibe assuming attraction etc etc snowball effect.

But it can help guys who are starting off from a much worse spot to understand the little mechanics behind “ohh, so I need X amount of value to her, which I can demonstrate through these DHV routines which I can design to trigger these specific attraction triggers Mystery laid out (preselection, leader of men, protector of loved ones, etc), and THEN this opener, which is asking for compliance, is more likely to succeed than if I just cold opened with it and kept getting uncooperative girls and thinking maybe it’s my fault like I’m a loser or whatever”.

And because it came from Roosh who doesn’t really think about this stuff much since he’s anti-PUA even though he steals shit from PUA to repackage as his own product lol: he probably tends to have higher value from the start being a mysterious decent looking American foreigner to the girls so he’s got some natural DHV in there but more importantly when it DOESN’T work for him he probably writes it off as “she just wasn’t into it” or “I nexted her for not playing along and being fun” etc whereas what’s really happening is that with those girls he didn’t demonstrate or have enough value to them for them to comply, because if he was their dream crush celebrity rockstar they would comply so it’s about your value in her eyes, not about the girl herself.


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“Jian Ghomeshi used the persona(game) of “nice guy” / feminist supporter to get women, and when they ended up in his bedroom , he flipped into a dominant alpha, that caused those women to be turned off (and disgusted). These pussies knew he was no dominant and there was no tingles (though he fucked some beautiful 9s)”

No, if that was the case they wouldn’t have kept in contact with him or fucked him again. This is just some bitter projection shit.

@Kyfshdifhsaufidohasfd
“We really have no idea what the initial socio-sexual dynamics between Gomeshi and the Liars were”

I looked into the Ghomeshi case which turned out to be super fucking weird when you read the details of what the girls say happened in the bedroom. Weird but really interesting from a red pill perspective. If the accounts that came out way back at the start are to be believed (and honestly nothing they said in them sounds that outrageous, I could totally see what they’re describing happen if you understand the kind of guy that could have the mindset they’re describing that would make ZERO sense to a Blue Pill crowd but isn’t entirely impossible to understand if you understand the red pill) then this would be my diagnosis:

Ghomeshi’s problems stem from having a MASSIVE Madonna/whore complex at the core. It sounds like he’s finally at the stage where he’s looking for a girl to settle down with (looking for a Madonna), but he’s sexually attracted to the “whores” and is basically looking for the Madonna who also wants to be roughed up as rough as he likes it (basically looking for the sexual experience/desires of a “whore”), but without her actually BEING a “whore”.

So because he likes it rough, he screens the girls hard for girls that want it really rough. But the girls don’t realize HOW rough he’s SERIOUS about (which goes back to how girls SAY they want it “rough” after they read 50 Shades of Grey but then they really just mean a little hair pulling etc, or they’ll agree to fantasies that sound hot in their mind but then in person they’re like nope I don’t want this after all etc), and in Ghomeshi’s mind, when the girl comes over she’s agreed to super rough stuff and he just instantly escalates to it, skipping the whole radio dial slow escalation to it that you would normally do with a partner the first few times until you know everything’s going to be cool…basically no calibration or sense of empathy for what the girl would be feeling.

So he keeps getting his hopes up that each girl will be the unicorn he can settle down with who also likes crazy rough sex and he’s finally found her, but when the girl cries and shuts down because she’s not ACTUALLY into being punched in the head (some girls ARE into that kind of shit, so I can’t fault him for his kinks, google “queensnake” sometime (WARNING NSFL)), he’s so pissed off that instead of calming her down and smoothing it over which would prevent Buyer’s Remorse, he’s so disgusted with her (in his mind she’s essentially “lied” to him by seeming like his perfect Madonna who likes being smacked around in bed) that he just wants her out of his home and kicks her out immediately (or walks away to go on his computer and shit, as if she doesn’t exist anymore).

I’d say there’s a little touch of some kind of aspergery shit (or sociopath or whatever makes it hard for you to identify when other people feel bad or relate to their feelings) with how he escalates with zero build-up (like a logical “she said she’s into this, so I will just floor the gas pedal” robot logical “take them at their word” brain) and then 180s so fast/ice-cold and seems to give zero fucks about preventing Buyer’s Remorse. A lot of Naturals do similar shit where they kick the girl out without caring about BR, but the way they describe Ghomeshi doing it seems like he almost doesn’t realize they’ll get BR which is why I figure it’s some kind of lack of empathy thing, or just a strong enough Madonna/whore complex that once the Madonna reveals herself as a whore she’s worthless to him.

This is confusing to the girls as they leave, but the dominance was a little bit hot in some way (because he screened for girls who are into at least SOME kind of roughness) and as we know doing a hard takeaway/next (he’s basically doing a Hard Next) causes girls to chase because it’s a huge devalidation, so after the girls have time to process everything they reach out to him again and want to try it again.

But he’s already ruled them out as zero fucks given since they aren’t the unicorn he was looking for and so they get Buyer’s Remorse built up. The BR is what causes this revenge shit years later. If he had smoothed things over after punching them in the head instead of just saying “get out”, or kept meeting up with them and calibrated it etc he wouldn’t have gotten the BR he got.

The teddy bear stuff is probably just to protect his ass (since the first thing he did when accused was take a tape to his boss to show consent). And the guy clearly saved all his correspondence for a million fucking years, so like he must on some level know that there was a chance of this going south at some point, but I don’t think he has the understanding of psychology/red pill/game/etc to know how to avoid it so he seems to have just taken generic logical precautions.

It’s really interesting because I watched a few episodes of his Q show just to see what his vibe was like and he has excellent rapport-building skills which seems to be why everyone liked his show (I’d never heard of it or this guy lol). Like you wouldn’t expect this guy to have any kind of calibration problems, if anything you would expect him to be too slow/meek in the bedroom with escalating.

So the question is: is his rapport-building so good because it’s learned/practiced to cover up a lack of ability to empathize? Or is he just naturally really empathetic but with women it just shuts off? The first option is more logical to me, part of why I have sick rapport/comfort skills is because I had to consciously focus on learning them because I didn’t know how to build rapport/comfort with people before I started socializing more. Like you can LEARN rapport really well…in my case it was to do better in pickup and connect with people, but in his case there may have been other incentives to learn to do it.

Also he picked up through his nightlife scene social circles and would message girls who Tweeted about him on Twitter, basically using his minor celeb status to get girls, and then would screen them hard before meeting up to make sure they were down for rough sex.

I think he’s basically spergy/autistic/mildly sociopathic/whatever with some super rough kinks and now that he’s old (48) he’s in that Roosh boat where he’s dissatisfied with the girls because he has a Madonna/whore complex and they keep disappointing him and he doesn’t have the ability/interest in smoothing over Buyer’s Remorse to prevent shit like this.

tl;dr: should’ve bought them an egg mcmuffin lol

Read up on preventing/diffusing Buyer’s Remorse in my archive:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=buyer%27s+remorse


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@keyser Soze
“Last year, in 2013, a woman in her mid-20s says she had been on a few dates with Jian, but they never had sex. After they had been out of touch for weeks, she recalls Ghomeshi inviting her to his new house in Toronto’s Beach area because he “needed” to see her to discuss something important. When she arrived, she says Ghomeshi sat her down for an intimate conversation. She says he told her that she might be “the one” for him, that he “didn’t buy this big house to throw parties, but to raise a family.”

He then kissed her, she says, and while kissing he “pulled (her) hair so hard my neck flew backward, and when it did,” she alleges, “he smacked me.” She objected and asked why he did this. He laughed, she says, and explained to her that in order for him to build a future with her, he would need to see if they were sexually compatible, and she would have to “let (him) enjoy this the way (he) wants to.” She says that he then turned his teddy bear around on his bed, telling her the bear “shouldn’t see this.”

Ghomeshi began kissing her again, she says, and struck her in the face once more, harder than before. He pointed out his erection, she says, as proof that she was “the one” for him. He then allegedly demanded she kneel in a constrained position, allegedly grabbed her by the neck and hit her in the face hard, and allegedly engaged her in fellatio, forcefully. She says Ghomeshi bit her, leaving marks on her breasts, inner thighs and back. Later, Ghomeshi called her a degrading term. She objected, she says, and told him, “don’t talk to me like that.”

She says Ghomeshi shrank away from her at that moment, sulking. “You’re making me feel like a weirdo,” she recalls him saying. He then said, “You need to go,” and left the room. She dressed and walked downstairs, where she found Ghomeshi on his couch, absorbed in his computer screen, checking Twitter. She left the house, she says. He did not say goodbye.”


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@Softek
“I actually lied one time, saying that I went on porn and was trying to hide it from her, because she saw YaReally’s archives pop up in my URL bar when she started to type in “YouTube.” She was just staring at the list trying to read it before I went up and closed the window, got all weird and finally ‘admitted’ to her, “I WENT ON PORN!””

Fucking lol

“Which turned into a huge fallout with her swearing and yelling at me, throwing dehumanizing insults at me and threatening to break up with me, then storming out and driving home, then continuing to send me swears and insults over text when she got home, all because I told her I’d stopped going on porn, but was still going on it… etc. Aye.”

The chick I just sent home and I were just watching porn and fucking to it. Ditch this chick, you shouldn’t have to feel ashamed of liking sex. If she doesn’t want you to look at porn then she better show up in a schoolgirl outfit sucking your balls dry.

Set your boundaries EARLY and use Soft Nexts to reinforce them, calmly and confidently. YOU decide how things are, ’cause there’s another girl who looks just like her down the street.

Google “Blackdragon How To Soft Next”. If a chick I’m seeing swears and insults me over txt and threatening me with a breakup and shit, she gets radio silence for a week. She wants a breakup, she can have it, ’cause every girl out there is bringing pussy to the table, but no guy is bringing being an amazing dude to the table like we do. She can go on Tinder and find a bunch of chodes that disappoint her and have a bunch of weird issues and shit and just make her realize how good she had it with me, and WHEN she comes back she can come back as a casual fuckbuddy only ’cause she fucked up her chance to be the “queen” as Patrice O’Neal puts it.

“I just have to work on maintaining passivity more. Going silent has worked for me. But I do have a tendency to slip up once in a while and get pissed off at her. I never swear at her but I probably do react more than I should. ”

Alpha 2.0:

http://www.blackdragonblog.com/the-alpha-male-2-0/

“I already feel like I’ve lost a lot of the skills that allowed me to get with her in the first place, simply by getting used to being with her and not practicing Game like I was before. And even then, what I was doing was very limited. I never developed autonomy with this stuff. I’ve never felt like I have options.”

Watch this shit in full, don’t give away your boat:

I don’t NEED to sarge, I have some girls I like on the go, I can get all the sex I need right now. But I go fishing for other reasons, part of those reasons being staying the guy that GOT these girls in the first place. Your girl DOES love you. But girls live in temporary truths…if you lose the things that made her chase you, which you’re voluntarily giving up or hiding one by one right now, you won’t BE the you that she was attracted to, you’ll just be some guy without a fishing rod and boat and she won’t love THAT guy.

Never enter a relationship via social pressure or emotional/sexual blackmail/withdrawl/withholding etc The second she tries to pull ANY of that, you Soft Next her for a few days, and if she does it again you Soft Next her for a week, and you just keep doing that until she realizes when she brings it up you’re going to go ghost on her and probably fuck some other girls who don’t hassle you like that. And if you lose her, oh no, you lost some chick that made you feel guilty about being who you naturally are and enjoying the things you naturally enjoy…just frees up your time to get back on your path and find better girls that you screen for more compatibility.

“Maybe I massaged her too hard or overcooked one of those pancakes I’ve made her for breakfast. I’m no shining star of virtue or generosity but the ongoing criticism for not committing is getting to me a bit.”

No fuck that. Don’t let social pressure fuck with you. She brings pussy to the table, that’s IT. Everything else she brings to the table you can get from anywhere else. You bring EVERYTHING to the table. The fact that you would even massage her or cook her some fucking pancakes is something she should be grateful as fuck for.

You settling down into commitment/monogamy is you GIVING UP your freedom. For her she GAINS you, and what did she do with the LAST guy she gained?

You need to listen to a lot of Patrice O’Neal stuff on men & women on YouTube, just listening to his explanations and frame and humor about these things will be a good influence on you. You really don’t know your worth and you’re currently blinded by social conditioning into questioning it.

@scribblerg
“What no one in the bar knows is that she’s wearing a blue tooth activated, small vibrator that YaReally has demanded QueenSnake girl to insert in her panties on top of her clit, which Ya can activate at any time. She knows that’s her signal to go to the ladies room, get in a stall and FaceTime Ya while she masturbates so she just walks off to comply as just the thought of Ya makes her wet and she loves when he makes her masturbate on FaceTime for him.”

…well, it’s official: dudes are now writing fanfics about me. I haven’t decided if I’m flattered or weirded out lol


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FUCKING HUGE POST ENJOY:

@walawala
“Right, but the dude is feeling the dread of being incel and then suddenly feeling like he’s part of something that society demands he be part of to be accepted. He’s convinced he has to do whatever he can to save it”

Oh I GET it lol We’ve all been there. It’s a running joke in the PUA community that guys will learn PUA and be making good progress but then lock down with the first decent 7 they get who isn’t remotely perfect but is better than they’ve ever had before and they retire from the game for a few years until that blows up and then come back into it with new lessons learned lol

My point is that he needs to listen to guys like Patrice and understand how this chick isn’t a special unicorn. This is just some chick who can be replaced if she acts out and forces him to feel shitty for being himself and ashamed of who he is. The more he lets her get away with it, the more she’ll do it, and she’ll increase it, because she’s getting away with it. She has to KNOW that he can walk on her…when a guy is in the game long enough, girls can just sense that he can walk on them, but Softek isn’t at that point yet.

@fleezer
Your unicorn sounds super. Do you think Softek has found a unicorn? Do you think Softek’s chick is doing all the shit yours does? No, she’s just a normal chick that, because of his lack of experience so far, seems like she could be a unicorn. Feeding a guy like Softek the idea that “ya, this girl is your special amazing muse who brings magic sparkles to your life” is what makes those guys stay in these relationships and view themselves as the problem instead of the girl and her behavior.

Hell do you think Softek, with his experience, is even CAPABLE *OF* screening for a unicorn? Like he would know what constitutes a unicorn yet and can trust his own judgement?

And does your unicorn insult you and ream you out like Softek’s does? No? Then your situation isn’t relevant. I’m talking about girls like Softek is with…that chick can be replaced, she’s not special, she’s not a unicorn, and she’s not bringing anything to the table that any other girl who looks just like her or hotter, isn’t bringing to the table too.

“what kind of man commits slow motion suicide while making jokes about his piss tasting like birthday cake?”

Irrelevant. His advice could come from a homeless drug addict and it would still be accurate. You’re just pulling a feminist style argument trying to attack the guy’s character to discredit his advice, this isn’t Jezebel we go by logic here not feels. End of the day Patrice was a 300lbs fatass who kept a chick around for 7 years doting on him without marrying her and they were planning to have kids etc Guys can listen to the “Patrice VS” clips on YouTube where he’s interacting with women and HEAR women attracted to him and the shit he says and his mindsets. Your character assassination shit doesn’t hold water.

@ludiamondz
“Ya’s point i think was more “what one woman brings, another can also bring” i.e. no one chic is special, and that’s a fact”

This. I’m not saying women in general don’t bring ANYTHING but pussy, I’m saying this girl who’s acting like shit is not bringing anything to the table that he can’t get from anywhere else. He can get all the things he gets from her from pretty much ANY other girl, and half the shit society promises us women will bring to the table (support when you’re going through rough times, someone to have deep discussions with, someone to have your back and be loyal to you etc) you can get from just having quality dude-friends ’cause that shit will go out the window if she loses attraction for you and her solipsism/hypergamy take over.

“If you’re your own frame of reference, you should be balanced already.”

This. A woman is an addition to my life, if she plays by the rules and brings me good value without bringing me drama and negative value, then she’s ALLOWED to GET to be a part of MY world…SHE is the one massively benefitting in our relationship. Me being in a relationship is me sacrificing time and energy etc to limit myself to just her. Like Patrice says: “Have you SEEN a woman without a man in her life to offer her guidance? She’s a fucking MESS.”

@scray
“for example….COOL women don’t do that kind of shit anyway. they’ll get pissed with you but they’ll talk with you about it. but when someone is just willing to talk shit out with you like an adult and give it to you straight, you aren’t dealing with drama and so you don’t have to even get into that headspace.”

This. Softek’s chick is giving every indication that she’s not a “COOL woman”. But the thing is she isn’t even a shitty one, she’s just a NORMAL AVERAGE one who’s reacting to the lack of boundaries Softek has where she feels like she can bitch him out and treat him shitty and still expect him to stick with her and want monogamy with her. That’s like me punching Softek in the face repeatedly and being like “but you’re still gonna buy my drinks for the night cuz we’re best buds, right bro?” Like wtf? No, of course not.

That’s why I’m bringing up the Soft Next. The purpose of a Soft Next is to train the girl to understand that when she acts up, she will lose your attention. There is a calm cool chill way for her to bring up that like, she’s not a fan of porn (even a positive productive way like putting out more), and even THEN it’s HIS decision and she can suck it up if he DOES want to check out porn. The way she’s behaving is NOT productive and deserves a Soft Next. Because when he DOESN’T Soft Next, and even worse if he apologizes etc, that tells her that her behavior is not only acceptable, but will get her rewards, so of course the behavior will INCREASE not DECREASE as he sinks further and further into a dysfunctional relationship.

Again to paraphrase what Patrice says to women who act up at his shows etc: “You know how I can tell you don’t have a man in your life? Or some man who doesn’t lay down boundaries? Because you talk to a stranger like that. I’m a huge 300lbs black man, I could CRUSH you. But you step up to me with that kind of disrespect because you don’t have a man in your life who will smack you down and teach you that you shouldn’t act like a bitch.”

A child will push their parents’ boundaries not because they’re an asshole but because they’re craving the knoweledge that they’re under the care of someone who will establish and enforce boundaries. That’s why when you let them do what they want, they turn into these retarded college SJWs protesting their feels and shit. No one has given them boundaries so they just keep pushing. Girls you’re dating will do the same shit. You have to lay down the law and let them know “this is unacceptable behavior that I won’t tolerate and if you want to be a part of my life then you don’t act this way around me”. The Soft Next is a nice subtle way of making them feel the sting of not having your attention. When they’re confused why you aren’t texting them anymore you say “sorry I’m just kind of turned off by your behavior the other day, I don’t really feel like hanging out this weekend.” (so they know exactly why they’re being punished, without making it a big fight or big drama or sounding butthurt) and go back to radio silence through the weekend so she can feel what life without you is like and how much shittier it is.

I had to bitch out a chick recently who was starting to get way too negative and use me as a venting board for all of her problems in life. I told her flat out that she USED to be fun and positive and try to impress me and appreciate our time together, but lately she’s gotten overly negative and stopped putting her best foot forward for me. She said she’s mad that I won’t be monogamous and I said acting shitty and making me NOT look forward to hanging out with you isn’t the way to make me want to be monogamous, why not try actually being that girl I first started seeing who I was EXCITED to hang out with? Next day she apologized, bought me breakfast, banged me, and even thanked me for pointing out that she was getting too negative and that she didn’t realize it and she’ll try to be better etc etc We had an awesome time together and BOTH of us benefitted from me enforcing some boundaries.

I could have just let it slide, but she would have just kept getting more negative because I wasn’t establishing boundaries properly. By bringing it up I was risking her ditching me because why should she have to change and put in effort what am I some kind of misogynist if you can’t accept me at my worst you don’t bla bla But I have an abundance mentality and I KNOW that she benefits from being with me. I KNOW what other guys are like out there and they’re shit compared to me. I KNOW what I’m bringing to the table is shit she can’t find elsewhere. She can go find rich good-looking guys, there are TONS of them, but 99% of those guys will have inner game issues, be shitty lays, be TOO nice, be TOO assholish, be insecure, be controlling/jealous, be boring, not be dominant, question whether she likes them or why she would like them, be too supplicative, etc etc

Meanwhile I can go find another girl who’s hot and fun to be around, it doesn’t take much to fit that bill. But she will NEVER be able to replace me and the things I bring to the table. You have to really fully understand that. Patrice harps on it all the time, which is why I recommend his stuff.

Like listen to this clip of Anthony awkwardly hitting on the intern chick (and failing as she keeps rejecting him) and Patrice hating every minute of how bullshit the whole situation is:

When he snaps he’s like “man, it must be nice to be a hot girl. You can sit in a room full of MILLIONAIRES, and have a literal MILLIONAIRE invite you out, to pick you up in a fucking HELICOPTER and you’re like “ehh we’ll see, I don’t knowwww maybe I’m free””

Like think of how absurd that is lol How insane it is for a guy who lives in a MANSION to not know he has more value than some cute intern that works for him. The guys trying to BRIBE her to come over by offering her the type of snacks she likes as he tries to convince her he’s not crazy etc, like a successful millionaire living in a mansion has to CONVINCE this generic girl who’s bringing nothing to the table except she’s cute and convenient, to come hang out in his mansion lol

It’s insane how society has convinced men that we have no value, no matter how successful we are. That’s WHY guys get stuck in these shitty relationships where they feel guilty/ashamed of their needs/desires half the time.

“like, i can say to a woman honestly that she’s pretty great or awesome and at the same time, walk the second the rules get broken…even though it’s tough.”

Ya this is my point. If this chick is bringing everything to the table like fleezer’s unicorn, then yay, awesome, hang with her. But if she is bitching you out and hurling insults and shit at you for something as minor as “oh at some point when you weren’t around I accidentally DARED to have a boner and looked up porn”, that chick gets a Soft Next MINIMUM.

“and honestly, i’m not sure how ‘hard-wired’ the alpha stuff has to be or if it’s just cultural time/place contextual and correlated to social consequences a woman will suffer”
πŸ™‚ Well done, grasshopper.

“cause i mean honestly, strange dynamics can emerge when you get a woman completely alone. even one where it makes no sense for you to be together socially or anything….men seem very target-oriented. like high sex drive but it’s focused. women seem READY at the first instance of something sexual AND low social cost.”

As Todd puts it: “game isn’t necessarily about convincing her TO sleep with you…it’s more about convincing her there’s no reason NOT to sleep with you.” Consider that quote from this perspective you’re (scray) starting to think about.

I figured it out early on because I’m into the dolled up girls that are objectively way out of my league, so from day one when I started sarging I was always ideally trying to go for those girls which meant that I kept “batting out of my league” when I got them. I fucked a bunch of girls who didn’t want to even act like they KNEW me in public because they ran in higher-value social circles with higher-value (externally) guys/girls (I didn’t care, I just wanted sex with my new superpower lol), or would flat out tell me I’m not their type at all and normally they’re into jacked tall rich whatever dudes (again I didn’t care, ’cause I was getting laid so I felt like I had the cheat code to win the game instead of being insulted lol, I was defying all logic and evolution and society’s rules it was awesome to me).

Whereas I think a lot of other guys start from more of an “I belong to this social circle and she belongs to that one so she probably shouldn’t be into me” thing like they’re more wrapped up in the social conditioning of people separating into tribes and judging eachother that way…whereas I was so socially retarded/inept/alone that I didn’t have much of that conditioning to deal with so I just stepped up like “we’re all in a bar so of course I have a chance, those PUA guys on the internet said I do!”

@Softek
“The sex has been great, and she’s told me more times than I can remember that it’s been the best sex of her life.”

Thing is, it IS the best sex of her life (probably, let’s just assume she’s not purposely being manipulative here). Right NOW, in this MOMENT. But what guys extrapolate from that is “ok, so it will ALWAYS be the best sex of her life because it’s ME and I’m always ME” They don’t understand that next week, if she’s not attracted to you anymore, it will be the WORST sex of her life to her, even if it’s the exact same thing on their end and they’re doing the same and they haven’t changed. Temporary truths. And when she says it’s the worst sex of her life it WILL BE the worst sex of her life, in her mind.

Tyler talks about how the way she feels about you affects how she views your value/attractiveness (and the sex) in-depth here:

Also a good example of calibration infield at the start of the video when the girl he grabs freaks out and he CALIBRATES and backs off and apologizes IMMEDIATELY (take notes, GLL fans @ETA etc), and then in the next clip of the interaction a minute later she loves him and leaves the venue with him.

“I do question that. Not like it matters either way, but it makes me wonder if part of it is a ploy to land me”

Take a trip to the deadbedrooms forum on reddit and take a peek at how many guys were “the best sex of their girl’s life” before they put a ring on her finger and trapped themselves in monogamy with no ability to leave especially once they have a kid together.

Then they get divorced and think “oh I got the wrong unicorn” instead of looking at monogamy as a system being flawed because to be monogamous you have to voluntarily give up most of the shit that made you attractive enough to GET the amazing sex you were getting at the start (as Patrice says, giving up your fishing boat). So they go find another girl and again they’re the BEST SEX SHE’S EVER HAD. Until they stop being attractive to her because she stops having to work to keep/earn them.

“Caving to social pressure and conditioning, thinking that being good with women means you’re a bad guy.”

This is why you gotta program your brain with good stuff, like reading this shit and listening to Patrice and watching shows like Californication and listening to Tyler talk about his mindsets etc, because you have to normalize the idea that you’re not a bad guy for wanting to experience a bunch of women in your lifetime. You’re a man, it’s natural and normal for you to be with other girls and experience life.

“We have a great time together. The point is that even if it really is the best sex of her life, it doesn’t change the fact that monogamy is broken and the sex being so great probably has more to do with my dominating her and her competition anxiety than any mystical chemistry between us.”

This. You’re a perceptive dude, I think you’ll be fine ’cause you can even understand the little shit like this. The whole magic The One thing is bullshit made up by the Disney culture to convince you that none of this can be explained so you don’t question it. Because if you KNEW that you could duplicate all the good stuff you have with her, with other girls who may not have the negatives, and that you don’t have to worry about being alone etc, why WOULD you settle down and work some shitty job you hate to provide for a family while you live in a deadbedroom and get divorced etc? Not that that’s guaranteed to happen, but you don’t have the experience/skill that a Rollo has to make a monogamous relationship work long-term right now.

That’s why Mystery Method was so amazing, it was like holy shit someone actually took “love”, this esoteric magical concept that everyone says “just happens” and structurally broke down the exact steps needed to create it with pretty much any girl. That’s INCREDIBLE. That’s like figuring out how to make a meteor shower appear on command lol

“So even if it is the best sex of her life, monogamy isn’t going to improve it, even though she vehemently claims it will, because not being in a committed relationship with me means that she can’t chill out and enjoy it.”

And do you think her “chilling” (what is chilling? Not having to try hard? Not having to put in effort? Not having to worry that if you don’t bring your A game you’ll get tossed to the side of the road? Not having to be on good behavior?) would improve things? I mean, which employee do YOU want working for your company: the one that isn’t worried about being fired and is chilling out, or the one who’s worried they’re going to get fired if they don’t get those files on your desk a day earlier than you ask for them? Which employee is more likely to do a good job long-term and which employee is more likely to get lazy and entitled and bring your company to a halt?

Oh no, she’s “stressed” feeling “dread”…poor thing, we should keep her from feeling that!! Of course then she pays money to go to a theater to watch the next Saw sequel before she reads her 50 Shades of Grey and fantasizes about some alpha dude from Game of Thrones raping her lol

One of the biggest myths society fed us is that it’s CRUEL and MEAN to make a girl experience “bad feels”. Most supplication is based on guys wanting to make sure the girl never feels a bad emotion around them because they’re “jerks” if they do that. Meanwhile who does she chase? The lovable jerk who occasionally makes her feel bad feels and then smooths it over, just like the vampires in Twilight and every guy in every episode of 90210, Dawson’s Creek, Days Of Our Lives, etc There’s a REASON women watch soap operas and it’s not because everything goes right and happy all the time in them. There’s a REASON they watch a movie just to cry. Because they NEED the full range of emotions.

Thing is you might lose her. Okay, that sucks. But 1) she can be replaced, she isn’t doing anything for you that other girls won’t do. Other girls will do dishes, and give you massages, and do anal, etc ESPECIALLY in this New Relationship Energy stage (google Blackdragon’s stuff on NRE, again ask the deadbedroom reddit forum how many of them were getting BJs and anal every night up till the wedding day), and 2) if you cave on your needs/desires and enter a relationship out of scarcity (fear of losing her because she’s special), do you think she’ll respect you and be as attracted to you as she is when you hold your ground on what you want in life?

NRE: http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2015/07/23/how-to-deal-with-new-relationship-energy-nre/

Would YOU respect someone who you KNEW was just doing what you wanted when it went against their best interests? Would you trust THAT person to lead your ship in life? Would you trust THAT person to stand up for you when shit hits the fan when you see how easily they toss away their values?

Would you trust the fate of your business in the hands of a partner who you saw sign a contract that was NOT in their best interest and hurt the company, just because they were shamed into it? Is that someone you could rely on to run your company safely or would you start looking for a better partner so you could feel secure that you had someone who won’t compromise on their values?

Sure at first she’ll be happy as a fucking CLAM…you’ll get the best sex of your life, better than you’re getting now. You’ll have a solid 6-12 months of the most amazing time you’ve ever had with a girl. But when that NRE wears off? Well, how excited are you STILL about some new shirt you bought 3 years ago that you were excited about when you got it? Is it just hanging in your closet and you glance at it occasionally thinking “oh ya that was a cool shirt I guess” or are you still as psyched about it as when you first got it? You were probably excited when you unboxed your computer you’re reading this on however long ago you got it…are you sitting here thinking “WOW I LOVE THIS THING!!!” right now? Or are you going “stupid computer, why are you running so slow UGHHHH my friend’s computer runs way faster than this piece of junk”

Part of why the sex is the best sex of her life is because she’s fucking an alpha male that she’s attracted to. Some beta schlub doing what you’re doing to her would REPULSE her. It’s YOU and your VALUE that makes the sex amazing to her right now. Monogamy, especially when guilted/shamed/blackmailed into it out of scarcity etc instead of you CHOOSING it out of abundance, is voluntarily crippling your value…so how is the sex going to be then? How was the sex with her ex-BF she cheated on when she didn’t respect him and wasn’t attracted to him anymore?

Now when you have enough experience that you really fully know your worth internally so that you don’t question it, and you understand how to keep yourself attractive in a relationship (ie – don’t stop going out with your friends, don’t stop flirting with other girls, let her feel a little dread, etc), you might be able to pull off a Rollo situation.

But think about it this way:

What’s the FIRST THING everyone in the Manosphere/red pill would tell you to do the day you come to us 3 years from now complaining that she doesn’t want to fuck you anymore and you’re worried she might be cheating with some other guy she keeps talking to? The FIRST thing we would all do is tell you to employ DREAD GAME and make her worry that you can get other girls and that you might leave her at any point and that she might lose you, to trigger her to chase you.

So if that’s the advice we’re going to give you in the future, why not save yourself the hassle and drama and just KEEP EMPLOYING DREAD GAME like you currently ARE? lol

“It’s like a dream come true. The only thing I’m really struggling hard with is the occasional feeling that I don’t deserve it.”

You don’t deserve being insulted and shouted at and dealing with temper tantrums for mentioning you looked up porn. You don’t deserve to be guilted and shamed into monogamy, a deal that you don’t want. You don’t deserve to feel bad for being who you are, a man with sexual desires and who wants to better himself socially and have the type of lifestyle he wants and the social skills and self-improvement etc that he pictures himself being capable of. You don’t deserve to feel guilty for wanting to reach your potential.

The rest of what she’s doing is great, yay for sex and dishes and shit. That’s why you Soft Next the BAD behavior out of her, and REWARD the good behavior. You don’t REWARD the BAD behavior with your attention or commitment because that just teaches her that the way to get what she wants is BAD behavior. Ask any guy who’s stayed with a Cluster-B how THAT dynamic works out lol

“I NEVER let on about this to her. Her perception of me is that I don’t care about her enough, and that she wants me way more than I want her, etc.”

Good, that’s how it SHOULD be. She SHOULD want you more than you want her. Like Patrice says: “My girl LOVES me, and I LIKE her. And she HATES that she loves me, she wishes she didn’t love me so much and that I loved her more than she loves me. Cause she knows that she’s priority number 3 on my list, not priority number 1. First priority is my mom, then my career, THEN her. Then my fish. And I LIKE my fish, so she better keep her game up lol”

Thing is Disney sold her on the bullshit that the guy should be swooning and dote on her and the guy should be madly in love with the girl while she just likes him…because that’s the perfect arrangement for a girl: dozens of orbiters doting on her and she gets to just pick and choose which one she lets be with her in that moment. That’s a prime setup for her and her biology, but it’s a raw deal for the guy.

The reality is she’s happier overall being with a guy she can’t quite get than she is with a guy who she has and knows isn’t going anywhere. Just like you’re more appreciative of a dinner you had to work hard to get than one someone hands to you that you’re bored of.

“I know talking with her about it will only be completely self-defeating and counterproductive”

Yup: change her mood, not her mind. That’s why we use Soft Nexts, because it’s a subtle withdrawing of attention that changes her mood, it’s not a logical conversation about it. There’s a time and place to ream the girl out with logic bombs, but those moments are few and far between and need to be executed in a very specific way for her solipsism/etc to even grasp them, and just subtly punishing her bad behavior (and rewarding her good behavior) from day one is much easier, faster, and better.

“Obviously solipsism has guaranteed that she’s unaware of the fact that those dynamics are a big part of why she’s so attracted to me.”

Yup, that’s why you can’t discuss it with them. She can even AGREE with you on it but it won’t matter once her feels take over in the moment and she just rationalizes her behavior/feelings.

“It’s been a bit of headfuck having to stay quiet about all this, with all this knowledge floating around and processing in my head in the background.”

That’s why you have this place. πŸ™‚ And guys like us to talk about it with. And why guys USED to have male-only meetings and shit before feminists banned that shit. So you can talk about this shit and get your thoughts out and get feedback and reinforcement that you’re taking right action and on the right track with your thinking, instead of having to bounce it off your girl and fuck things up.

“Were they really the scum of the earth, or did they just push all the right buttons, generate all the tingles, and the only thing that went wrong was that they didn’t want to be locked down?”

You got it. And how many of those alphas do they actually CHEAT on VS just end it because they’re frustrated they can’t get him and still end up fantasizing etc about him? VS how many of the supplicative Nice Guy monogamous boyfriends do they cheat on and act repulsed by?

“But you go a lifetime hearing that guys like that are assholes, and you start to believe it. It’s been taking quite a lot to condition that belief out of myself.”

Ya man you got 20+ years of social conditioning telling you everything you read here and try to apply is wrong and shameful and abusive and horrible and bla bla bla

But at the end of the day you have eyes and they’re open and you can look around you and SEE the truth instead of listening to what she tells you.

“It is interesting to see that it works the same, though, and all the different girls I’ve been with have responded the same way to calibration/sexual escalation/dominance.”

The main reason guys settle is because they’re scared they’ll never find the same thing with any other girl, even when that thing isn’t perfect, they’re willing to settle for it because they don’t really know if they can find what they have again. And if you’re like, 40+, maybe that’s true who knows. But if you’re in your 20s or 30s you have a LIFETIME of girls ahead of you.

“But therein lies the RP truths. Women make more rules for Betas, and break the rules for Alphas.”

Yup. The rule is “be monogamous with me”, and yet here she is chasing a guy who’s breaking that rule. If you DECIDE “you’re better than all the other girls, I like being with you so okay you can be in my life”, cool, but that’s not your situation. Your situation is her badgering you and harrassing you and guilting you into following the rules (aka monogamy).

“It’s not easy but I’m a lot better off than I was a year ago, to say the least.”

You’ll be fine, you’re a smart dude and you have good influences around here. Keep writing out your thoughts/feelings to get feedback here, don’t try to take this shit on alone, use the support network you have here because EVERYONE EVERYWHERE ELSE AND EVERYTHING IN SOCIETY will try to force you into the standard plan that you instinctively KNOW isn’t the right plan for you. No one gives a shit if you end up in a deadbedroom or cheated on or divorced or suicidal, all they care about is that you be a proper tool for society to use and you keep society going.

@scray
“you have to have some balls on you to execute the things you need to execute when you’re juggling multiple women.”

Ya that’s why guys need a lot of field experience and experience juggling women to get a handle on it. By setting frames early and enforcing them rock solid and screening properly, you can eliminate a LOT of drama from the arrangement though. But guys don’t believe that until they do it and suddenly go “man, I have 3 girls on the go who all know about eachother and don’t hassle me about it…I didn’t know this was even possible wtf??”

“nothing wrong with human connection, etc. and ‘the feels.’”

I still cuddle them and shit after sex lol And we txt and have a connection. I just set the frame of: “if you come over, we’re going to fuck and you can’t hang out here all day because I have shit to do and I’m not going to take you to dinner etc because I don’t do that and if you really want that you can find another guy to give you that”

VS the guys who have to spend the entire day with the girl and wine and dine her to get to the sex part, or the girl starts withholding sex and they still hang out because they don’t want to seem like a jerk, etc. SHE doesn’t dictate the frame, YOU do. If she has a problem with it she’s welcome to go try to find better out there, because she won’t be able to, because even if she finds a guy who will spend all day hanging out with her, that guy won’t be offering half the shit I offer that she needs because that guy doesn’t understand game/attraction and doesn’t GET that a 30 minute cuddle can be the equivalent of a day long rock climbing (or whatever) adventure with dinner at a fancy restaraunt and a romantic walk along the beach.

@ludiadiamondz @Softek
“Add just one more plate.. to stay balanced lol.”

I recommend 3 as the best setup. With one girl it’s easy to fall into scarcity and hard to do stuff like a Soft Next because you’re giving up sex and affection and touch etc. With two girls it becomes a competition and when one is pissed off you have to spend so much time with the other one that again you can fall into scarcity and if they find out about eachother it’s drama city where you have to choose one of them. With THREE girls (even if two of them are just casual fuckbuddies), usually at least ONE of them is chill at any given point and you can Soft Next the other two if they give you drama and still have female attention, and because you have three girls it feels more like you have “lots” of girls so you just become “that guy” with a lot of girls instead of that guy pitting two girls against eachother…and with three, if one is mad you don’t have to constantly hang with the second one and build one-itis with her, you can go between the 2nd and 3rd girl and still keep aloof enough to make smart decisions.

“Then next her when she gets tired of waiting for commitment.”

Usually this’ll happen, which is why I keep saying Softek MIGHt lose her. But it’s important to understand that this happens all the time when you lay down the law, but what happens like 90% of the time is the girl goes and tries to find better than you but she CAN’T, because every guy she finds is a pushover and you’re always that guy who stood up for yourself and your values and stuck to your guns even if it meant losing her, so you’re ALWAYS the guy who had enough abundance to not care if she walks, and you will ALWAYS be her alpha widow because of that. So after a few weeks or months (I find it’s anywhere from 3 months to 8 months) you get that “heyy” txt at 2am from her out of nowhere, because she’s tried to go find better and realized there ISN’T better and that 90% of you is better than 100% of other guys.

Read up on Blackdragon’s LSNFTE concept:

http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2014/10/12/important-ignore-breakup/

A breakup is FINE, because when you get back together it’ll be on your terms and you haven’t caved on your principles in her mind.

“But you have to believe yourself that you can/will land similar/better, just like you landed her. Seriously believe in yourself that you can land another and another and another.”

This is why you gotta still go out and flirt with waitresses and store clerks and shit when you’re running errands, ’cause your brain needs proof that you can get another girl. When it stops believing that, that’s when you fall into scarcity. And what you feel, she feels.

@Softek
Having, establishing, and enforcing boundaries:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871

Identity, Boundaries, Shit-tests:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/12/#comment-heartiste-396649

It’s a lot to digest, but save all these things to a list somewhere of resources to check out in your free time because these are the things that are going to help you for the rest of your life, in ALL your relationships, even dude/friend relationships and business relationships and family relationships etc Just take in bits and pieces and expect that this stuff will probably take a while to fully “get” and internalize and execute and you’ll probably fuck up a bit and that’s okay. The end goal is achieving your potential as a high-value man and you’ll get there as long as you take right action and learn who you are and understand your value.

@emily
“^Didn’t read that, but I agree with ForgeπŸ™‚ Keyser, that sounds overly simplified, probably untrue and rather irrelevant.”

LET’S YOU AND HIM FIGHT FOR MY APPROVAL!!! Doesn’t work without a titty pic up.

@quixotic
Good job dude, looks like you were spreading a ton of value everywhere you went and you had solid calibration with your escalation (despite the dudebro stereotypes even slutty girls generally don’t want the guy they’re with to make them FEEL slutty).

aww man you had to put WAY too much WORK in it was WORK

@newlyaloof @quixotic
“Made me think back to my spring break trip in college when I didn’t know game. Didn’t get laid once; just thought it should magically happen”

“I wandered around for hours not talking to anyone trying to look cool, i guess hoping a girl would just approach me lol nope. It was a nightmare felt like such a loser.”

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS FAGGOTS??? EVERYONE GETS LAID ON SPRING BREAK BRO, IT’S SO EASY, IT’S ALL JUST SLUTS WHO WANT TO GET SOME DICK YOU MUST BE AN UGLY LOSER IF YOU DIDN’T GET LAID ON SPRING BREAK BRO I WENT ONCE AND THIS 10 TOTALLY SUCKED MY DICK WOW YOU SHOULD FEEL INADEQUETE AND HATE YOURSELF AND GO HIT THE GYM MORE BRO AND GET A NICER WATCH!!

lol No one pays attention to the dudes on death-row so whenever we ARE the guy standing there watching everyone else getting laid (because we don’t see the other guys on death-row not getting laid) we feel like we’re the ONLY ONES, just the big lame losers who can’t get laid on spring break…but if you really look at them and interact with them, most of the time the dudes on death row are guys that SHOULD be getting laid but they just don’t have the confidence or game to go make it happen.

“These last few weekends on spring break I saw a TON of jacked guys, guys with sixpacks etc standing around with their buddies trying to look cool while me and my buddies opened set after set, merged sets, winged for buddies by breaking up groups, girls talking over each other vying for my attention, DHV’ing. I saw that familiar painful look of realization on their faces as they watched us work.”

IMPOSSIBLE DUDE. TRUST ME WHEN YOU LOOK LIKE CHAD THUNDERCOCK PUSSY JUST FALLS FROM THE SKY ALL THOSE GIRLS WHO PRETENDED TO LIKE YOU GUYS WERE JUST HUMORING YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE BEING DANCING MONKEY PUAS IN REALITY THEY ALL WENT HOME WITH THOSE BETTER LOOKING GUYS WHO STOOD AROUND ALL NIGHT AND THEN THEY DIDN’T EVEN FUCK *THOSE* GUYS BECAUSE THEY TEXTED THEIR GLL BULLS TO GO FUCK THEM INSTEAD!!!!11 LOOKS ARE ALL THAT MATTER BRO, YOU PROBABLY JUST THOUGHT THOSE GIRLS WERE INTERACTING WITH YOU BUT THEY WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET PAST YOU TO TALK TO THE JACKED SIX-PACK GUYS, I MEAN IT’S A BEACH PARTY WHERE EVERYONE IS SHIRTLESS NO WAY THEY WOULD PICK YOU OVER THOSE GUYS TRUST ME BRO I READ THE TRP FORUMS EVERY DAY!!!!

The reality is those 6-pack dudes standing there trying to look like James Bond will NEVER get the kind of reaction that goofy dancing guy got or you got when you started up that pool football game etc. They WOULD if they took action, but why would they take action, they got a 6-pack bro and their buddies told them if they just get a 6-pack pussy will fall from the sky especially with those sluts on spring break.

“The realization Yareally talks about that their externals (being in good shape) was not sufficient to get the girls.”

This. The disappointment a girl feels when a good-looking guy opens his mouth and turns out to have weak internals is the same as if a guy takes home what he thinks is a 9 and then she takes off her clothes and a bunch of fat rolls blimp out because she was wearing a corset underneath. Like a chick-friend of mine puts it: “what a waste of good genetics :(”

Props on your progress, internal and external!


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@scribblerg
“what are you doing on the 3rd date going back to his place late at night if you aren’t DTF?”

Someone should consider writing up a thought experiment where if women knew they could be raped legally inside a man’s home, maybe they wouldn’t go back to a guy’s place at 1am when he’s half-drunk if they aren’t DTF. πŸ˜‰

http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape

@fleezer
So don’t take diet advice from him. brb ignoring Einstein’s theory of relativity because he didn’t have a 6-pack or was depressed. brb ignoring soccer advice from David Beckham because he’s not good at chess.

Dude wasn’t perfect but he knew that and had a solid head on his fat shoulders:

@all
Don’t take life or yourself or other people too seriously:

This one’s for Softek about honestly being yourself VS hiding who you are (at 7:00 and 9:30 in this interview and a bunch of places…at 10:40 he calls this dorky guy out on not being himself, some serious real-talk bombs being dropped here about being 100% yourself upon meeting someone and building a connection, he reaches into this guy’s SOUL lol…don’t learn from his dietary habits, but any man would do well to learn from his mindsets/philosophies about honesty and expressing yourself (I haven’t even SEEN this clip I was just clicking random Patrice shit, but now I gotta watch the whole thing cause this is full of good shit lol)):

The comment section on those vids are a good example of how people respect and appreciate authenticity and congruency and unstifled self-expression. Don’t try to be James Bond, just be yourself unashamedly.


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@scray
“but i mean, it’s just starting to get very EASY. like I don’t take rejection personally AT ALL because i’m just like ‘well….if were alone, it’d be over, so whatever.’ ”

This. There’s a big shift guys have to make when they first start approaching girls where they understand that the girl isn’t rejecting THEM. She doesn’t KNOW “them”, she knows the little glimpse they gave her of themselves and if they half-assed it or she has social conditioning that won’t let her experience you (like a snobby girl looking down on a dude in a t-shirt) she’s not rejecting YOU as a person or as a man.

Even if she doesn’t REJECT you, you’ll sometimes get the “hot girl blase” or “wall of politeness” that Todd and Julien talk about all the time, where she won’t even be RUDE, she’ll be polite but keep you at arms length and have a conversation with you where she isn’t REALLY having a conversation with YOU, and she just won’t let you connect with her on that level where she gets to experience you (ESPECIALLY if you aren’t being authentic and are half-assing stepping up and don’t believe you deserve her or that interacting with you could have value to her).

That same thing will happen in high-end social circles where a lot of the people are worried about if other people think they’re high-value so everyone puts on a fake “schtick” of how they think a cool person would behave and you have these interactions where no one is REALLY expressing who they are (which is similar to what Patrice is calling that interviewer kid out on in that clip I just linked).

So in those cases we learn to make an IMPACT. We FORCE her to pay attention to us by causing emotional impact that shits all over her facade. Same with those dudes putting on a schtick, you say or do something that shakes their reality and blows that facade shit out the window and makes them all lighten up and actually interact with you on a real level, even if that’s a negative level (you can smooth that over).

By blowing that bullshit layer off of them, and fully expressing yourself, THEN the girl gets to interact with YOU and who YOU are and when you get to THAT point, usually you’ll get attraction because the congruency/authenticity ALONE is attractive.

“society has a vested interest in pushing bullshit in your face about how you suck shit and aren’t good enough, so of course the ONLY guys you WILL EVER SEE get SOCIAL REINFORCEMENT for ‘player’ behavior are ones who adhere to some gayass model of the world. ”

Yup. You see glimpses of it in places like My Secret Garden or queensnake (DO NOT GOOGLE NSFW NSFL lol) or fanpages set up for ugly-ass male actors or whatever…but like David Spade says here (around 2:30):

No one WANTS David Spade to be a player. He shouldn’t be allowed to be a player or successful with women. He’s this skinny 5’5″ sarcastic little guy…he’s not SUPPOSED to get women. Women aren’t supposed to WANT to fuck him. Women aren’t going to set up a Jezebel comment section about how sexy David Spade is and ask to see him in a fireman calendar, Rollo’s not going to hire him to do male strip shows. Clooney, Dicaprio, THOSE guys are ALLOWED to have women. Those guys are ALLOWED to be players. It’s SAFE for a girl to say publically that she wants to fuck Clooney.

So you’re not going to see a bunch of David Spades or Tylers or guys like myself or my short/foreign/etc buddies getting laid even though it happens all the fucking time when you go out infield and pay attention. The guys you’re going to see women raving about (BECAUSE WE LISTEN TO WHAT WOMEN SAY ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT WHEN IT CONFORMS TO OUR SOCIALLY CONDITIONED WORLD VIEW OF COURSE) are the Chris Hemsworth’s and John Hamms and shit, which just keeps reinforcing the retarded socially conditioned value system that keeps most guys feeling like they don’t deserve to get the girls they want and keeps them running the rat race competing with other men for looks, money, etc when that girl is sucking her fucking DOG’S cock because it’s this big scary beast that will dominate her but she’ll never admit that out loud because of the social consequences.

“WHAT IF….….women will just fuck anyone, anytime, anyway….if there aren’t social consequences?”

There you go.

“people can’t handle that shit. at least not in this society.”

Not even in the Manosphere. Or TRP. PUA is probably at the forefront of realizing and accepting and working within this observation, because we’re the ones out there pushing the boundaries. A girl SHOULDN’T fuck a guy like Julien who approaches her the way Julien approaches her, that goes against everything everyone THINKS would work. But Julien is a PUA who pushes boundaries so there he is, opening girls by shouting “DOG!! SLUT!!” at them, JUST to see what happens, while Manosphere guys are trying to order the coolest martini on the menu as they pose up and try to talk about their vacation in Italy and TRP guys are trying to get jacked and looking for easy Approach Invites.

So we have probably the most up to date experience with pushing these boundaries and seeing just how far we can push things with girls still being attracted to or fucking us, and a LOT of PUA shit is based around simply removing social consequences for her. What is avoiding ASD? What is disarming LMR? What is avoiding Buyer’s Remorse? What is isolation? What is winning her friends over? What is being non-judgemental? What is inviting her up “to see my goldfish but I have to work in the morning so you can only stay for a bit”? What IS any of that shit? It’s all to remove the social consequences of fucking you.

That’s why I said to ETA in the other thread who was talking about how these PUA guys are just dancing clowns to the girls. It wouldn’t even matter if they ARE dancing clowns…if they’re FUN and they can structure a situation where the girl will face no social consequences for fucking them, and they can spike basic Attraction by understanding some game, there’s no reason the girl WON’T fuck them.

That’s why they HATE guys like me, or Tyler, or Julien. With Mystery we can look at him and go “ya well, it’s because he’s TALL, whew, that fits our paradigm of social conditioning”, so we can explain Mystery. We can explain David Spade “ya well, he’s a rich celebrity so of course he gets laid (even though he was getting laid before he was famous, just like Russell Brand, but hey Russell is tall so whew, our paradigm stays in-tact)”. That’s why we see a short guy with a tall hot girl and assume she’s a hooker or he’s rich.

But that’s why they hate little balding ginger Tyler, or Julien wearing the same t-shirt for a month till it’s disgusting and smelly as he calls girls dogs, or me with my scruffy looks and beer belly and no money, etc Because they can’t EXPLAIN us. We’re breaking the rules so they have to look for SOME REASON to explain our success. So they point to Tyler now and say “well he’s pretty good looking, he has a symmetrical face” and ignore all the years where he looked like Krusty the Clown with his hair or was a fatass. They say Julien is super sexy tall when Julien is really only like 6 feet tall max (he just looks tall compared to the midgets at RSD lol) and they point to him when he’s dressed well and ignore all the footage of him doing well when he’s dressed like shit. They have to say “oh it’s paid actresses” and “oh you just hit on drunk bar sluts who ANYONE could get” and “oh it’s MANIPULATION, you’re BRAINWASHING these girls and MANIPULATING low-self esteem girls, that would never work on a QUALITY girl, only James Bond gets the QUALITY girl” because they need SOME WAY to rationalize this shit to fit it into their socially conditioned world view.

And the reason they’ll continue to operate that way, and keep their blind spots, is because they’ll never do the exercise Julien rants about in this video:

They’ll never go out dressed like shit with their hair messy and feel fully entitled to approach hot girls. They’ll ALWAYS go out looking and feeling their best and being in their comfort zone…and if they DON’T, it will DESTROY their self-confidence and self-esteem because they’ve never done it before and don’t REALLY believe they’re entitled to get that girl if they aren’t looking their best or wearing their fancy watch or whatever, so they’ll get rejected because the girl will ping off their shitty subcommunications that say “I don’t deserve you”. They will NEVER stick through that pain period and go through all those rejections feeling like they’re a newbie starting over from scratch getting his face shoved in the dirt until he starts letting go and building off glimpses of success until his internals fix themselves to where he’s actually getting the same success (or better) than he was back when he was locked into society’s value system and letting social conditioning dictate how he feels about himself. NO GUY will do that, that’s fucking CRAZY, what guy would even purposely TRY that?

So everything I’m writing right now will just fly over most guys’ head as it gets stored in my archive for years down the road when some guy who’s figuring this out infield the way you are, stumbles across this comment and is like “holy shit, this dude knew wtf he was talking about” lol And I KNOW that when I write this stuff, but I don’t care because it’s important that this stuff is explained and archived somewhere for the future when more men are looking for answers and the basic “dress nice and don’t buy a girl a drink” advice isn’t enough because they see glimpses of this next layer peeking through and need to what they’re seeing.

“So i just sort of operate under that assumption and try to create a safe space for it.”

Exactly. I’m actually surprised at how far you’ve come in just a few years lol You’re spouting shit these days that guys don’t figure out till like 10 years in the game and some guys NEVER get, even in places like this. Props, dude.

“the cool thing is that once you get enough of this going, it just makes NO SENSE to be an asshole.”

Right. I don’t NEED to be an asshole to girls, just like I don’t NEED to be threatening or aggressive with dudes. I can treat them nice and simply enforce my boundaries when people cross them, and I can enforce those boundaries in a calm assertive way, or relate to the person and help them see my view, or, if I need to stoke some drama because the girl is starting to take all the good feelings she gets around me for granted, I may purposely give her shit about her attitude and pick a fight, but I’m not even MAD when I do it lol It’s like taking your dog for a run to burn off energy.

“hot girls have the most insane stories about guys like…..for months just taking them on dates. but ya….the sexual frame is super important.”

It’s retarded. Half of why I view things the way I do is because when I hang out with girls, I’m non-judgemental and poke them for information on what “my competition” is like and they show me all these fucking sad loser guys that supplicate so fucking hard for them. And these are AWESOME guys. WAY better than me (by society’s value system). Rich, jacked, 6-packs, fancy cars, taking them to expensive restaraunts, world-travelled, taking them on vacations, you name it. I’m just some idiot that won’t take them to dinner unless they’re buying it for us lol

But most guys will never see that shit because they get around a girl and are too insecure to check what their competition is like, or they just don’t think to do it, and they view themselves as lucky to have gotten the girl because they don’t realize how fucking LAME all these other guys are compared to them and how thirsty guys are, even COOL good-looking rich guys.

“and if they pull the ‘all you want me for is…’ blah blah blah”

That’s what happened to me recently. Chick pulled the “I want to come over” “ok, dress sexy” “I don’t feel sexy tonight” “ok come over later” “OMG YOU JUST WANT ME FOR SEX LIKE ONE OF YOUR SLUTS” and I had to punish that shit with some real-talk bombs (just calmly enforcing my boundaries)…because EVERY OTHER DUDE she’s met would say “oh that’s okay just come over and cuddle” whereas I have the audacity to expect her to bring a good attitude and be sexy for me when she comes over because I’m a DUDE with a working DICK who wants to FUCK a girl I’m ATTRACTED to, oh no what an asshole!! lol

If I had let her just come over, she would put in less and less effort to see when I’m going to call her out on it. Now that she KNOWS poking the bull will get the horns, she’s not going to pull that shit on me again (at least not for a while till she gets too comfortable again lol). And ultimately she’s HAPPIER having her attitude readjusted and having some discipline, because she knows she’s a better person when she’s in a good mood and that I’m happier when I like being around her and that she’s happier when I like being around her. It’s win/win for both of us, just like it’s win/win to not let your child have donuts for dinner just because they throw a tantrum and make them eat their broccoli…in the end they’ll thank you for being a ship-captain they can trust.

“like the roleplay is something like ‘you think i’m a piece of meat’ and then it’s something like ‘you know i’m a dog’ and then she relents because she knows you just can’t help yourself.”

lol ya, that’s a different situation entirely.


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Unreal:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/elon-musks-divorce-could-cost-154020180.html

From TRP:

“Wtf. This is the 2nd divorce he is getting from the SAME woman! Can you imagine getting divorced raped twice from the same person? Wth.”

“It gets better. Since his pre-nup was used for the last divorce, rumor is he doesn’t have one for this current marriage. Under California law, if they share a residence, all of the capital gains he’s made since the marriage are up for asset division.

He will lose his massive influence at Tesla and SpaceX due to a 50% loss of founder level shares. This could sink both companies.”

“Wait seriously? You’re telling me some divorce raping bitch could halt the single most stalwart force in green and sustainable energy along with space exploration? Can we charge with woman with crimes against humanity?”

“This man is one of few people alive who is using his genius and resources to combat major humanitarian issues (some of which may cause our extinction) and this little twat could ruin him?!”

“She also received a tender tweet from Musk: “It was an amazing four years. I will love you forever. You will make someone very happy one day.” That someone was Musk again. They remarried in July 2013.

The oneitis is strong with this one.”

For the virgin lovers:

“She claimed in interviews that she was a virgin when she married him, so presumably Elon Musk believes this, and will not adequately defend himself against the incoming divorce rape.”

And fucking lol for our host:

“I’m mailing a copy of “The Rational Male” to the SpaceX headquarters. Probably won’t make it but Musk is my inspiration professionally, plus I might not get an electric car if he drives off a cliff into the Pacific.”
πŸ™‚

His first wife, who also divorce-raped him:

http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/advice/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/

“They have no children together, but Musk has five sons from a previous marriage to author Justine Musk (Marie Claire called theirs “America’s messiest divorce)”

“I needed our life to change. I didn’t want to be a sideline player in the multimillion-dollar spectacle of my husband’s life. I wanted equality. I wanted partnership.”

And the best part:

“When I first met Elon, I wasn’t blonde, either. I was an aspiring writer in my first year at Queen’s University in Ontario, Canada, sprung from a small hometown and recovering from a difficult case of first love with the older man I’d left behind. I liked older. I liked poetic and rebellious and tortured. I liked a guy who parked his motorcycle beneath my dorm-room window and called my name through the twilight: Romeo in a dark-brown leather jacket.”

Like that Patrice meets the hot intern video I linked earlier, how amazing and magical must it be to have a pussy. That just being born with a pussy gets you access to men like this and money like this without having to ever contribute a fucking THING to society, while guys work their asses off and just hand it to them because they believe the Disney fantasy about Twue Wuv.

Sorry kids, no space exploration, this chick’s vagina shoots out magic fucking rainbows that were worth sacrificing the fate of the entire human race lol

“And something unexpected happened: Throughout the divorce proceedings, his fiancée and I discovered we liked each other. People were puzzled that I didn’t want to poke chopsticks in her eyeballs. “It’s kind of like a French movie,” observed a friend, and I sent Talulah an e-mail:

I would rather live out the French-movie version of things, in which the two women become friends and various philosophies are pondered, than the American version, in which one is “good” and one is “bad” and there’s a huge catfight sequence and someone gets thrown off a balcony.

She responded, Let’s do as the French do.”

Someone should’ve warned this guy AWALT.


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@scribblerg
“One wonders why you try and defend Roosh”

Because it’s a clever article that makes a good point and I can separate the content of his thought experiment from the rest of his writing instead of getting emotionally worked up clutching my pearls over seeing the word “rape” lol He’s literally making the same point you’re making: a chick going home with a dude can be interpreted by him as her wanting to get fucked so it’s a bad idea to go home with him if you don’t want to fuck him because that guy might be a rapey asshole who’s going to rape her thinking “hey, she came home with me, she must want it”. Like he says, it would theoretically stop the type of trapped in a guy’s bathroom rape from happening since she wouldn’t be in there in the first place…it’s a logical point, even if it’s an absurd idea.

“I start feeling like I’m too old and it destroys me”

That’s your internal shit. There’s nothing she’s doing that forces you to feel old just like there’s no reason for you to feel old walking into, say, a park full of children. Those children aren’t making you feel old, your internals are making you feel old.

“the vibe just turns into me being paternal”

The vibe doesn’t turn, the vibe has no will of its own. You control the vibe, it’s important to understand that you are responsible for not turning it paternal and not letting her turn it paternal. You lead.

“Serious question: Is there such a thing as too old to pick up young hotties? I’m 53. When should a man stop pickup?”

Ok you’re right. You’re too old. 52 is the cutoff. Now what?

“It’s become, “Why approach if I’m just going to bail or get weird anyway?””

Exact same self-doubts a 21yo learning pickup has. πŸ™‚

“I was all jazzed when I noticed the IOIs and attraction but now I’m face to face with the fact that if I want to fuck them, I have to escalate and frankly, it makes me shit my pants.”

Exact same fear a 21yo learning pickup has. πŸ™‚

““Creepy old guy” is what I expect to hear”

Exact same fear a 21yo learning pickup has except he worries they’ll say “creepy guy” instead of “creepy old guy”. πŸ™‚

“I find I’m stuck at midset and can’t make myself number close and don’t think there is enough buying interest.”

Quit saying stuff like “can’t make myself”. You CAN make yourself, but you’re scared to. You’re not incapable of it. You can physically move your hands and lips and form words and move and escalate, there’s nothing making that a “can’t” except standard escalation anxiety and ego-protection (not wanting to risk being called a creep).

“and don’t think there is enough buying interest”

How would you know if there’s enough buying interest, you never escalate and find out. πŸ˜‰

“Are there other guys my age doing PUA?”

Lots. And there’ll be more as the divorce rapes keep rolling in and all these old dudes are shoved back into the dating scene and have no idea what they’re doing. But we know there are tons of 50+yo actors in Hollywood that can get pussy. So then age isn’t a limit because if you had enough value to the girl, like a celebrity, she would fuck you just like she’d fuck David Duchoveny or Liam Neeson.

So your job is to focus on projecting high-value and then capitalizing on iois when you have them instead of worrying and waiting and missing the window and ending up in the “paternal zone” which is really just the old man version of the “friend zone”, the exact same problem a 21yo who doesn’t escalate and doubts the iois he sees has.

Your big problem is you’ve never had to DEMONSTRATE high-value. You’ve always just BEEN high-value in your prime, it radiated off you because you were a young natural alpha dude tearing shit up left and right. Now you need a way to demonstrate your value because at first glance a girl will probably assume you don’t have value.

That’s what Mystery Method is, a systematic way of displaying the same value that an A-list celeb or rockstar etc displays. If you can figure out how to DHV on your own in some natural way, cool, but you probably won’t be able to because you haven’t had to before. That’s why I’m pushing Mystery Method on you…as much as it puts you inside your head, at the end of the day it’s a systematic way of demonstrating value and flipping the triggers that a Clooney or Duchoveny triggers.

“Fyi there is a big difference between being 45 and 53…”

Hugh Laurie, Kallum Keith Rennie, George Clooney, Robert Downey Jr (he’s only 50 tho), Brad Pitt is 52, Tom Selleck was 53 when he was the hot older man on Friends…etc etc etc.

You’re still trying to separate yourself as having to run “old man game”, you’ve just reframed it and reworded it but it’s the same shit: “what’s the cheat code for being an old man and never risking rejection??” There’s no cheat code. The cheat code is learn Mystery Method so you know how to DHV/qualify/etc and hit the field lol

Are you DHV’ing till you get a few ioi’s, then qualifying the girl and revving that loop until she’s giving you bigger ioi’s and then letting her pass a qualification and rewarding her with an insta-date/escalation? No? You’re stopping when you get ioi’s and letting the vibe go into the friend zone and just winging things like you did when you were younger? Then how do you know you can’t escalate on these iois or pull the girl for insta-dates (after properly qualifying her etc after she’s giving you obvious iois) and escalate in isolation?

Highly recommend watching Californication. Bunch of cool older men in there to model and normalize the idea that girls find old guys hot:

Jeff Bullet is/was a 50+yo PUA:

And here’s Jeffy on learning game old VS young (they have PLENTY of old guys take bootcamps):

“Is there a point where mindset can’t overcome age?”

Yup…the point where you allow yourself to not push through your escalation anxiety. Same point as a 21yo who’s too scared to pull the trigger and risk being called a creep, except you have less years to waste on it. You’re going to get older, not younger…if you think pulling the trigger on some coffee shop cutie is hard at 53, wait till you’re 55 or 60 and have to try to pull it with no reference experience of pulling it at 53. πŸ™‚

@Culum @scribblerg
“It doesn’t matter – she’s not checking your driving licence to find out your exact age – all she cares about is “Does this guy fall into sexy older man/silver fox category or not?” As long as you do, then the EXACT age doesn’t matter.”

This. Girls just categorize you as “I’d fuck him” or “I wouldn’t fuck him”. My minority buddies stress their minority status but the cool ones the girls don’t even consider “minorities”, they’re just “cool”. Girls don’t care how old I am, anything past 30 is “old man” to them lol As long as you don’t look and act like their dad, it’s fine.

It’s all in your head, you’re just trying to find ways to rationalize not pulling the trigger while trying to separate yourself from the 21yo guy who has the exact same problem and the exact same solution for both of you is to pull the trigger and risk being called creepy.

Or wait another year to pull it. And another year. And another…πŸ˜‰

@Andy
“Another genius? Mystery. Holy Shit. I’m about 1/2 way through MM. Mind. Blown. What a huge contribution.”

lol consider that not only did he figure that shit out on his own, but he was going out all by himself in Toronto, a city that the RVF forum is scared shitless to even go NEAR because of the hostile chicks that will bitchslap your ego out into space for Elon Musk to find, and on top of that he was wearing his goofy fucking hat and crazy peacocking gear where every eye in the room is on him the second he walks in. Now he can handle that kind of social pressure, but back when he was starting out and was having the same rough nights everyone else has when they start out, but without the benefit of having a step by step instruction manual to learn from? Just figuring it out through sheer trial and error and deductive logic as he ate rejection after rejection and was probably called creepy and weird a million times, and STILL kept going, and then didn’t even hold onto the knowledge just for himself but taught other guys (for free at first even)??

That’s a pretty fuckin ballsy dude. No one who makes fun of his fuzzy hat would have the balls to do that.


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@scribblerg
Gotcha covered, this should clear it all up:

@Sun Wukong
“I’ve pushed my boundaries enough to get beer bottles hurled at me and have women screaming “ASSHOLE” repeatedly in my ear, so I guess that’s something.”

The real test is: can you get her to go from throwing beer bottles at you to fucking you? πŸ˜‰

@Water Cannon Boy
“Sometimes I wonder if being beta is a part of guys like this getting rich and successful. Even knowing that you can be rich/successful and alpha”

No one believes me when I tell them that usually guys who are rich and successful are too busy ACHIEVING THAT to also go learn and master pickup. That’s why the whole retarded “WHAT IF TWO GUYS HAVE GAME MASTERY BUT ONE IS JACKED AND RICH?!?!?” thing is retarded. Generally guys who excel in some area that isn’t “talking to girls”, are going to be shittier at “talking to girls” than the guy who spent all the time Elon spent designing Teslas and shit, on “talking to girls”, while he was busy letting society program how he views women.

TheOldOligarch
“Scribblerg, stop worrying about age, the approval of others or the right/wrong age to hit on girls”

This is really what it is. Scribblerg is looking for us or society etc to ALLOW him to hit on girls. He needs social approval to feel like he’s allowed to do it. For Blaximus this is a good example of a guy who’s a natural alpha dude, but is still caving to social pressure.

You gotta give yourself permission to do this, just like the 21yo who’s scared to escalate on girls.

@Jeremy
“Ugh, yes, but just do not, DO NOT, watch anything beyond season 3. Hank turns into a fucking beta with horrible oneitis like you’d never believe.”

Ya it sucks ass and the characters get retardedly cartoony/overacting, but Hank still has clever lines and good moments through the whole show if you can sit through the rest of it.

“I should say, same with “Mad Men” which is very red-pillish (not so much PUA material) at the beginning, but turns wholly apologetic for masculinity at the end.”

That’s really how all these things go, because mass blue pill audiences don’t want a red pill MGTOW PUA etc ending. I turn a lot of these shows/movies off at about the 3/4 mark when I watch them because from there it usually gets blue pill as fuck lol


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lol just ran into this vid, look at this sexy 10/10:

Tyler looks pretty good now, doing what he can with his looks, but this is how he looked for most of his pickup career lol

So hot:

Remember, this guy and this guy:

Decided not to accept their position in life and stop letting social conditioning dictate what they deserved.

@IAS
“On pop culture, what did you think of “How I met your Mother” (if you watched it)?”

Barney is an excellent role model for having FUN with pickup. I don’t care that NPH is gay or that the character is a little overly obsessed with looks/suits and kind of effeminate instead of badass tough manly alpha guy. That character has great mindsets and attitudes with regards to pickup and women and delusional self-confidence and positive affirmations and giving value to his buddies and self-amusement and enjoying life and women etc Highly recommend watching the show (it’s a good show in general lol) and absorbing some of that “this is supposed to be FUN, I’m going to just say this thing just to see what happens this’ll be hilarious to me” energy.

Also the Barney/Robin relationship was great, where they both let themselves go, it was nice to see that side of relationships get shown for once, and Barney bails on that shit and gets back to being awesome lol I didn’t see the last few seasons though.

This is basically me and my mindset lol:

And this is me if you wing with me and what I look for in a wing, 100% positivity 100% of the time:

Whenever I’m out with people I focus on bringing everyone’s vibe and energy and confidence up when we go out. I want everyone to feel awesome and be psyched to go out. The people I’m with have a better night because I make an effort to bring good energy to our group and help them to get into a headspace where they can do the same.


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@scribblerg @all
Jeffy just put up a vid on burnout in the game. Dude is 40 and has been doing pickup for 15 years. He looks ragged ’cause he’s at the end of the 5 day world summit (5 days of speaking to a huge audience and hitting up chaotic nightclubs etc):

Also lol at 7:30 where he describes most guys’ game. That’s your competition out there. The bar is LOW.

Last summit (scribbler pay attention to Julien’s part, and Jeffy’s parts):

Also expect to see more of this in the coming years, things are going to get ugly before they get pretty:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7034170/Single-girl-31-who-longed-to-wed-hanged-herself-as-she-struggled-to-cope-with-pals-marrying.html

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54782.html


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Ghomeshi’s lawyer on trial by blue pill society who’s mad she didn’t Listen & Believe without question:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/jian-ghomeshi-marie-henein-lawyer-interview-1.3510762

Chick is a BOSS, dude tries to nail her to the cross from a million angles and she’s having none of it. Stronger frame than most dudes have. No wonder he hired her lol


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@keyser Soze
“Jian Ghomeshi used the persona(game) of “nice guy” / feminist supporter to get women, and when they ended up in his bedroom , he flipped into a dominant alpha, that caused those women to be turned off (and disgusted). These pussies knew he was no dominant and there was no tingles (though he fucked some beautiful 9s)”

No, if that was the case they wouldn’t have kept in contact with him or fucked him again. This is just some bitter projection shit.

@Kyfshdifhsaufidohasfd
“We really have no idea what the initial socio-sexual dynamics between Gomeshi and the Liars were”

I looked into the Ghomeshi case which turned out to be super fucking weird when you read the details of what the girls say happened in the bedroom. Weird but really interesting from a red pill perspective. If the accounts that came out way back at the start are to be believed (and honestly nothing they said in them sounds that outrageous, I could totally see what they’re describing happen if you understand the kind of guy that could have the mindset they’re describing that would make ZERO sense to a Blue Pill crowd but isn’t entirely impossible to understand if you understand the red pill) then this would be my diagnosis:

Ghomeshi’s problems stem from having a MASSIVE Madonna/whore complex at the core. It sounds like he’s finally at the stage where he’s looking for a girl to settle down with (looking for a Madonna), but he’s sexually attracted to the “whores” and is basically looking for the Madonna who also wants to be roughed up as rough as he likes it (basically looking for the sexual experience/desires of a “whore”), but without her actually BEING a “whore”.

So because he likes it rough, he screens the girls hard for girls that want it really rough. But the girls don’t realize HOW rough he’s SERIOUS about (which goes back to how girls SAY they want it “rough” after they read 50 Shades of Grey but then they really just mean a little hair pulling etc, or they’ll agree to fantasies that sound hot in their mind but then in person they’re like nope I don’t want this after all etc), and in Ghomeshi’s mind, when the girl comes over she’s agreed to super rough stuff and he just instantly escalates to it, skipping the whole radio dial slow escalation to it that you would normally do with a partner the first few times until you know everything’s going to be cool…basically no calibration or sense of empathy for what the girl would be feeling.

So he keeps getting his hopes up that each girl will be the unicorn he can settle down with who also likes crazy rough sex and he’s finally found her, but when the girl cries and shuts down because she’s not ACTUALLY into being punched in the head (some girls ARE into that kind of shit, so I can’t fault him for his kinks, google “queensnake” sometime (WARNING NSFL)), he’s so pissed off that instead of calming her down and smoothing it over which would prevent Buyer’s Remorse, he’s so disgusted with her (in his mind she’s essentially “lied” to him by seeming like his perfect Madonna who likes being smacked around in bed) that he just wants her out of his home and kicks her out immediately (or walks away to go on his computer and shit, as if she doesn’t exist anymore).

I’d say there’s a little touch of some kind of aspergery shit (or sociopath or whatever makes it hard for you to identify when other people feel bad or relate to their feelings) with how he escalates with zero build-up (like a logical “she said she’s into this, so I will just floor the gas pedal” robot logical “take them at their word” brain) and then 180s so fast/ice-cold and seems to give zero fucks about preventing Buyer’s Remorse. A lot of Naturals do similar shit where they kick the girl out without caring about BR, but the way they describe Ghomeshi doing it seems like he almost doesn’t realize they’ll get BR which is why I figure it’s some kind of lack of empathy thing, or just a strong enough Madonna/whore complex that once the Madonna reveals herself as a whore she’s worthless to him.

This is confusing to the girls as they leave, but the dominance was a little bit hot in some way (because he screened for girls who are into at least SOME kind of roughness) and as we know doing a hard takeaway/next (he’s basically doing a Hard Next) causes girls to chase because it’s a huge devalidation, so after the girls have time to process everything they reach out to him again and want to try it again.

But he’s already ruled them out as zero fucks given since they aren’t the unicorn he was looking for and so they get Buyer’s Remorse built up. The BR is what causes this revenge shit years later. If he had smoothed things over after punching them in the head instead of just saying “get out”, or kept meeting up with them and calibrated it etc he wouldn’t have gotten the BR he got.

The teddy bear stuff is probably just to protect his ass (since the first thing he did when accused was take a tape to his boss to show consent). And the guy clearly saved all his correspondence for a million fucking years, so like he must on some level know that there was a chance of this going south at some point, but I don’t think he has the understanding of psychology/red pill/game/etc to know how to avoid it so he seems to have just taken generic logical precautions.

It’s really interesting because I watched a few episodes of his Q show just to see what his vibe was like and he has excellent rapport-building skills which seems to be why everyone liked his show (I’d never heard of it or this guy lol). Like you wouldn’t expect this guy to have any kind of calibration problems, if anything you would expect him to be too slow/meek in the bedroom with escalating.

So the question is: is his rapport-building so good because it’s learned/practiced to cover up a lack of ability to empathize? Or is he just naturally really empathetic but with women it just shuts off? The first option is more logical to me, part of why I have sick rapport/comfort skills is because I had to consciously focus on learning them because I didn’t know how to build rapport/comfort with people before I started socializing more. Like you can LEARN rapport really well…in my case it was to do better in pickup and connect with people, but in his case there may have been other incentives to learn to do it.

Also he picked up through his nightlife scene social circles and would message girls who Tweeted about him on Twitter, basically using his minor celeb status to get girls, and then would screen them hard before meeting up to make sure they were down for rough sex.

I think he’s basically spergy/autistic/mildly sociopathic/whatever with some super rough kinks and now that he’s old (48) he’s in that Roosh boat where he’s dissatisfied with the girls because he has a Madonna/whore complex and they keep disappointing him and he doesn’t have the ability/interest in smoothing over Buyer’s Remorse to prevent shit like this.

tl;dr: should’ve bought them an egg mcmuffin lol

Read up on preventing/diffusing Buyer’s Remorse in my archive:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=buyer%27s+remorse


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“Last year, in 2013, a woman in her mid-20s says she had been on a few dates with Jian, but they never had sex. After they had been out of touch for weeks, she recalls Ghomeshi inviting her to his new house in Toronto’s Beach area because he “needed” to see her to discuss something important. When she arrived, she says Ghomeshi sat her down for an intimate conversation. She says he told her that she might be “the one” for him, that he “didn’t buy this big house to throw parties, but to raise a family.”

He then kissed her, she says, and while kissing he “pulled (her) hair so hard my neck flew backward, and when it did,” she alleges, “he smacked me.” She objected and asked why he did this. He laughed, she says, and explained to her that in order for him to build a future with her, he would need to see if they were sexually compatible, and she would have to “let (him) enjoy this the way (he) wants to.” She says that he then turned his teddy bear around on his bed, telling her the bear “shouldn’t see this.”

Ghomeshi began kissing her again, she says, and struck her in the face once more, harder than before. He pointed out his erection, she says, as proof that she was “the one” for him. He then allegedly demanded she kneel in a constrained position, allegedly grabbed her by the neck and hit her in the face hard, and allegedly engaged her in fellatio, forcefully. She says Ghomeshi bit her, leaving marks on her breasts, inner thighs and back. Later, Ghomeshi called her a degrading term. She objected, she says, and told him, “don’t talk to me like that.”

She says Ghomeshi shrank away from her at that moment, sulking. “You’re making me feel like a weirdo,” she recalls him saying. He then said, “You need to go,” and left the room. She dressed and walked downstairs, where she found Ghomeshi on his couch, absorbed in his computer screen, checking Twitter. She left the house, she says. He did not say goodbye.”


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@Softek
“I actually lied one time, saying that I went on porn and was trying to hide it from her, because she saw YaReally’s archives pop up in my URL bar when she started to type in “YouTube.” She was just staring at the list trying to read it before I went up and closed the window, got all weird and finally ‘admitted’ to her, “I WENT ON PORN!””

Fucking lol

“Which turned into a huge fallout with her swearing and yelling at me, throwing dehumanizing insults at me and threatening to break up with me, then storming out and driving home, then continuing to send me swears and insults over text when she got home, all because I told her I’d stopped going on porn, but was still going on it… etc. Aye.”

The chick I just sent home and I were just watching porn and fucking to it. Ditch this chick, you shouldn’t have to feel ashamed of liking sex. If she doesn’t want you to look at porn then she better show up in a schoolgirl outfit sucking your balls dry.

Set your boundaries EARLY and use Soft Nexts to reinforce them, calmly and confidently. YOU decide how things are, ’cause there’s another girl who looks just like her down the street.

Google “Blackdragon How To Soft Next”. If a chick I’m seeing swears and insults me over txt and threatening me with a breakup and shit, she gets radio silence for a week. She wants a breakup, she can have it, ’cause every girl out there is bringing pussy to the table, but no guy is bringing being an amazing dude to the table like we do. She can go on Tinder and find a bunch of chodes that disappoint her and have a bunch of weird issues and shit and just make her realize how good she had it with me, and WHEN she comes back she can come back as a casual fuckbuddy only ’cause she fucked up her chance to be the “queen” as Patrice O’Neal puts it.

“I just have to work on maintaining passivity more. Going silent has worked for me. But I do have a tendency to slip up once in a while and get pissed off at her. I never swear at her but I probably do react more than I should. ”

Alpha 2.0:

http://www.blackdragonblog.com/the-alpha-male-2-0/

“I already feel like I’ve lost a lot of the skills that allowed me to get with her in the first place, simply by getting used to being with her and not practicing Game like I was before. And even then, what I was doing was very limited. I never developed autonomy with this stuff. I’ve never felt like I have options.”

Watch this shit in full, don’t give away your boat:

I don’t NEED to sarge, I have some girls I like on the go, I can get all the sex I need right now. But I go fishing for other reasons, part of those reasons being staying the guy that GOT these girls in the first place. Your girl DOES love you. But girls live in temporary truths…if you lose the things that made her chase you, which you’re voluntarily giving up or hiding one by one right now, you won’t BE the you that she was attracted to, you’ll just be some guy without a fishing rod and boat and she won’t love THAT guy.

Never enter a relationship via social pressure or emotional/sexual blackmail/withdrawl/withholding etc The second she tries to pull ANY of that, you Soft Next her for a few days, and if she does it again you Soft Next her for a week, and you just keep doing that until she realizes when she brings it up you’re going to go ghost on her and probably fuck some other girls who don’t hassle you like that. And if you lose her, oh no, you lost some chick that made you feel guilty about being who you naturally are and enjoying the things you naturally enjoy…just frees up your time to get back on your path and find better girls that you screen for more compatibility.

“Maybe I massaged her too hard or overcooked one of those pancakes I’ve made her for breakfast. I’m no shining star of virtue or generosity but the ongoing criticism for not committing is getting to me a bit.”

No fuck that. Don’t let social pressure fuck with you. She brings pussy to the table, that’s IT. Everything else she brings to the table you can get from anywhere else. You bring EVERYTHING to the table. The fact that you would even massage her or cook her some fucking pancakes is something she should be grateful as fuck for.

You settling down into commitment/monogamy is you GIVING UP your freedom. For her she GAINS you, and what did she do with the LAST guy she gained?

You need to listen to a lot of Patrice O’Neal stuff on men & women on YouTube, just listening to his explanations and frame and humor about these things will be a good influence on you. You really don’t know your worth and you’re currently blinded by social conditioning into questioning it.

@scribblerg
“What no one in the bar knows is that she’s wearing a blue tooth activated, small vibrator that YaReally has demanded QueenSnake girl to insert in her panties on top of her clit, which Ya can activate at any time. She knows that’s her signal to go to the ladies room, get in a stall and FaceTime Ya while she masturbates so she just walks off to comply as just the thought of Ya makes her wet and she loves when he makes her masturbate on FaceTime for him.”

…well, it’s official: dudes are now writing fanfics about me. I haven’t decided if I’m flattered or weirded out lol


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YaReally
on March 28th, 2016 at 5:51 pm
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FUCKING HUGE POST ENJOY:

@walawala
“Right, but the dude is feeling the dread of being incel and then suddenly feeling like he’s part of something that society demands he be part of to be accepted. He’s convinced he has to do whatever he can to save it”

Oh I GET it lol We’ve all been there. It’s a running joke in the PUA community that guys will learn PUA and be making good progress but then lock down with the first decent 7 they get who isn’t remotely perfect but is better than they’ve ever had before and they retire from the game for a few years until that blows up and then come back into it with new lessons learned lol

My point is that he needs to listen to guys like Patrice and understand how this chick isn’t a special unicorn. This is just some chick who can be replaced if she acts out and forces him to feel shitty for being himself and ashamed of who he is. The more he lets her get away with it, the more she’ll do it, and she’ll increase it, because she’s getting away with it. She has to KNOW that he can walk on her…when a guy is in the game long enough, girls can just sense that he can walk on them, but Softek isn’t at that point yet.

@fleezer
Your unicorn sounds super. Do you think Softek has found a unicorn? Do you think Softek’s chick is doing all the shit yours does? No, she’s just a normal chick that, because of his lack of experience so far, seems like she could be a unicorn. Feeding a guy like Softek the idea that “ya, this girl is your special amazing muse who brings magic sparkles to your life” is what makes those guys stay in these relationships and view themselves as the problem instead of the girl and her behavior.

Hell do you think Softek, with his experience, is even CAPABLE *OF* screening for a unicorn? Like he would know what constitutes a unicorn yet and can trust his own judgement?

And does your unicorn insult you and ream you out like Softek’s does? No? Then your situation isn’t relevant. I’m talking about girls like Softek is with…that chick can be replaced, she’s not special, she’s not a unicorn, and she’s not bringing anything to the table that any other girl who looks just like her or hotter, isn’t bringing to the table too.

“what kind of man commits slow motion suicide while making jokes about his piss tasting like birthday cake?”

Irrelevant. His advice could come from a homeless drug addict and it would still be accurate. You’re just pulling a feminist style argument trying to attack the guy’s character to discredit his advice, this isn’t Jezebel we go by logic here not feels. End of the day Patrice was a 300lbs fatass who kept a chick around for 7 years doting on him without marrying her and they were planning to have kids etc Guys can listen to the “Patrice VS” clips on YouTube where he’s interacting with women and HEAR women attracted to him and the shit he says and his mindsets. Your character assassination shit doesn’t hold water.

@ludiamondz
“Ya’s point i think was more “what one woman brings, another can also bring” i.e. no one chic is special, and that’s a fact”

This. I’m not saying women in general don’t bring ANYTHING but pussy, I’m saying this girl who’s acting like shit is not bringing anything to the table that he can’t get from anywhere else. He can get all the things he gets from her from pretty much ANY other girl, and half the shit society promises us women will bring to the table (support when you’re going through rough times, someone to have deep discussions with, someone to have your back and be loyal to you etc) you can get from just having quality dude-friends ’cause that shit will go out the window if she loses attraction for you and her solipsism/hypergamy take over.

“If you’re your own frame of reference, you should be balanced already.”

This. A woman is an addition to my life, if she plays by the rules and brings me good value without bringing me drama and negative value, then she’s ALLOWED to GET to be a part of MY world…SHE is the one massively benefitting in our relationship. Me being in a relationship is me sacrificing time and energy etc to limit myself to just her. Like Patrice says: “Have you SEEN a woman without a man in her life to offer her guidance? She’s a fucking MESS.”

@scray
“for example….COOL women don’t do that kind of shit anyway. they’ll get pissed with you but they’ll talk with you about it. but when someone is just willing to talk shit out with you like an adult and give it to you straight, you aren’t dealing with drama and so you don’t have to even get into that headspace.”

This. Softek’s chick is giving every indication that she’s not a “COOL woman”. But the thing is she isn’t even a shitty one, she’s just a NORMAL AVERAGE one who’s reacting to the lack of boundaries Softek has where she feels like she can bitch him out and treat him shitty and still expect him to stick with her and want monogamy with her. That’s like me punching Softek in the face repeatedly and being like “but you’re still gonna buy my drinks for the night cuz we’re best buds, right bro?” Like wtf? No, of course not.

That’s why I’m bringing up the Soft Next. The purpose of a Soft Next is to train the girl to understand that when she acts up, she will lose your attention. There is a calm cool chill way for her to bring up that like, she’s not a fan of porn (even a positive productive way like putting out more), and even THEN it’s HIS decision and she can suck it up if he DOES want to check out porn. The way she’s behaving is NOT productive and deserves a Soft Next. Because when he DOESN’T Soft Next, and even worse if he apologizes etc, that tells her that her behavior is not only acceptable, but will get her rewards, so of course the behavior will INCREASE not DECREASE as he sinks further and further into a dysfunctional relationship.

Again to paraphrase what Patrice says to women who act up at his shows etc: “You know how I can tell you don’t have a man in your life? Or some man who doesn’t lay down boundaries? Because you talk to a stranger like that. I’m a huge 300lbs black man, I could CRUSH you. But you step up to me with that kind of disrespect because you don’t have a man in your life who will smack you down and teach you that you shouldn’t act like a bitch.”

A child will push their parents’ boundaries not because they’re an asshole but because they’re craving the knoweledge that they’re under the care of someone who will establish and enforce boundaries. That’s why when you let them do what they want, they turn into these retarded college SJWs protesting their feels and shit. No one has given them boundaries so they just keep pushing. Girls you’re dating will do the same shit. You have to lay down the law and let them know “this is unacceptable behavior that I won’t tolerate and if you want to be a part of my life then you don’t act this way around me”. The Soft Next is a nice subtle way of making them feel the sting of not having your attention. When they’re confused why you aren’t texting them anymore you say “sorry I’m just kind of turned off by your behavior the other day, I don’t really feel like hanging out this weekend.” (so they know exactly why they’re being punished, without making it a big fight or big drama or sounding butthurt) and go back to radio silence through the weekend so she can feel what life without you is like and how much shittier it is.

I had to bitch out a chick recently who was starting to get way too negative and use me as a venting board for all of her problems in life. I told her flat out that she USED to be fun and positive and try to impress me and appreciate our time together, but lately she’s gotten overly negative and stopped putting her best foot forward for me. She said she’s mad that I won’t be monogamous and I said acting shitty and making me NOT look forward to hanging out with you isn’t the way to make me want to be monogamous, why not try actually being that girl I first started seeing who I was EXCITED to hang out with? Next day she apologized, bought me breakfast, banged me, and even thanked me for pointing out that she was getting too negative and that she didn’t realize it and she’ll try to be better etc etc We had an awesome time together and BOTH of us benefitted from me enforcing some boundaries.

I could have just let it slide, but she would have just kept getting more negative because I wasn’t establishing boundaries properly. By bringing it up I was risking her ditching me because why should she have to change and put in effort what am I some kind of misogynist if you can’t accept me at my worst you don’t bla bla But I have an abundance mentality and I KNOW that she benefits from being with me. I KNOW what other guys are like out there and they’re shit compared to me. I KNOW what I’m bringing to the table is shit she can’t find elsewhere. She can go find rich good-looking guys, there are TONS of them, but 99% of those guys will have inner game issues, be shitty lays, be TOO nice, be TOO assholish, be insecure, be controlling/jealous, be boring, not be dominant, question whether she likes them or why she would like them, be too supplicative, etc etc

Meanwhile I can go find another girl who’s hot and fun to be around, it doesn’t take much to fit that bill. But she will NEVER be able to replace me and the things I bring to the table. You have to really fully understand that. Patrice harps on it all the time, which is why I recommend his stuff.

Like listen to this clip of Anthony awkwardly hitting on the intern chick (and failing as she keeps rejecting him) and Patrice hating every minute of how bullshit the whole situation is:

When he snaps he’s like “man, it must be nice to be a hot girl. You can sit in a room full of MILLIONAIRES, and have a literal MILLIONAIRE invite you out, to pick you up in a fucking HELICOPTER and you’re like “ehh we’ll see, I don’t knowwww maybe I’m free””

Like think of how absurd that is lol How insane it is for a guy who lives in a MANSION to not know he has more value than some cute intern that works for him. The guys trying to BRIBE her to come over by offering her the type of snacks she likes as he tries to convince her he’s not crazy etc, like a successful millionaire living in a mansion has to CONVINCE this generic girl who’s bringing nothing to the table except she’s cute and convenient, to come hang out in his mansion lol

It’s insane how society has convinced men that we have no value, no matter how successful we are. That’s WHY guys get stuck in these shitty relationships where they feel guilty/ashamed of their needs/desires half the time.

“like, i can say to a woman honestly that she’s pretty great or awesome and at the same time, walk the second the rules get broken…even though it’s tough.”

Ya this is my point. If this chick is bringing everything to the table like fleezer’s unicorn, then yay, awesome, hang with her. But if she is bitching you out and hurling insults and shit at you for something as minor as “oh at some point when you weren’t around I accidentally DARED to have a boner and looked up porn”, that chick gets a Soft Next MINIMUM.

“and honestly, i’m not sure how ‘hard-wired’ the alpha stuff has to be or if it’s just cultural time/place contextual and correlated to social consequences a woman will suffer”
:) Well done, grasshopper.

“cause i mean honestly, strange dynamics can emerge when you get a woman completely alone. even one where it makes no sense for you to be together socially or anything….men seem very target-oriented. like high sex drive but it’s focused. women seem READY at the first instance of something sexual AND low social cost.”

As Todd puts it: “game isn’t necessarily about convincing her TO sleep with you…it’s more about convincing her there’s no reason NOT to sleep with you.” Consider that quote from this perspective you’re (scray) starting to think about.

I figured it out early on because I’m into the dolled up girls that are objectively way out of my league, so from day one when I started sarging I was always ideally trying to go for those girls which meant that I kept “batting out of my league” when I got them. I fucked a bunch of girls who didn’t want to even act like they KNEW me in public because they ran in higher-value social circles with higher-value (externally) guys/girls (I didn’t care, I just wanted sex with my new superpower lol), or would flat out tell me I’m not their type at all and normally they’re into jacked tall rich whatever dudes (again I didn’t care, ’cause I was getting laid so I felt like I had the cheat code to win the game instead of being insulted lol, I was defying all logic and evolution and society’s rules it was awesome to me).

Whereas I think a lot of other guys start from more of an “I belong to this social circle and she belongs to that one so she probably shouldn’t be into me” thing like they’re more wrapped up in the social conditioning of people separating into tribes and judging eachother that way…whereas I was so socially retarded/inept/alone that I didn’t have much of that conditioning to deal with so I just stepped up like “we’re all in a bar so of course I have a chance, those PUA guys on the internet said I do!”

@Softek
“The sex has been great, and she’s told me more times than I can remember that it’s been the best sex of her life.”

Thing is, it IS the best sex of her life (probably, let’s just assume she’s not purposely being manipulative here). Right NOW, in this MOMENT. But what guys extrapolate from that is “ok, so it will ALWAYS be the best sex of her life because it’s ME and I’m always ME” They don’t understand that next week, if she’s not attracted to you anymore, it will be the WORST sex of her life to her, even if it’s the exact same thing on their end and they’re doing the same and they haven’t changed. Temporary truths. And when she says it’s the worst sex of her life it WILL BE the worst sex of her life, in her mind.

Tyler talks about how the way she feels about you affects how she views your value/attractiveness (and the sex) in-depth here:

Also a good example of calibration infield at the start of the video when the girl he grabs freaks out and he CALIBRATES and backs off and apologizes IMMEDIATELY (take notes, GLL fans @ETA etc), and then in the next clip of the interaction a minute later she loves him and leaves the venue with him.

“I do question that. Not like it matters either way, but it makes me wonder if part of it is a ploy to land me”

Take a trip to the deadbedrooms forum on reddit and take a peek at how many guys were “the best sex of their girl’s life” before they put a ring on her finger and trapped themselves in monogamy with no ability to leave especially once they have a kid together.

Then they get divorced and think “oh I got the wrong unicorn” instead of looking at monogamy as a system being flawed because to be monogamous you have to voluntarily give up most of the shit that made you attractive enough to GET the amazing sex you were getting at the start (as Patrice says, giving up your fishing boat). So they go find another girl and again they’re the BEST SEX SHE’S EVER HAD. Until they stop being attractive to her because she stops having to work to keep/earn them.

“Caving to social pressure and conditioning, thinking that being good with women means you’re a bad guy.”

This is why you gotta program your brain with good stuff, like reading this shit and listening to Patrice and watching shows like Californication and listening to Tyler talk about his mindsets etc, because you have to normalize the idea that you’re not a bad guy for wanting to experience a bunch of women in your lifetime. You’re a man, it’s natural and normal for you to be with other girls and experience life.

“We have a great time together. The point is that even if it really is the best sex of her life, it doesn’t change the fact that monogamy is broken and the sex being so great probably has more to do with my dominating her and her competition anxiety than any mystical chemistry between us.”

This. You’re a perceptive dude, I think you’ll be fine ’cause you can even understand the little shit like this. The whole magic The One thing is bullshit made up by the Disney culture to convince you that none of this can be explained so you don’t question it. Because if you KNEW that you could duplicate all the good stuff you have with her, with other girls who may not have the negatives, and that you don’t have to worry about being alone etc, why WOULD you settle down and work some shitty job you hate to provide for a family while you live in a deadbedroom and get divorced etc? Not that that’s guaranteed to happen, but you don’t have the experience/skill that a Rollo has to make a monogamous relationship work long-term right now.

That’s why Mystery Method was so amazing, it was like holy shit someone actually took “love”, this esoteric magical concept that everyone says “just happens” and structurally broke down the exact steps needed to create it with pretty much any girl. That’s INCREDIBLE. That’s like figuring out how to make a meteor shower appear on command lol

“So even if it is the best sex of her life, monogamy isn’t going to improve it, even though she vehemently claims it will, because not being in a committed relationship with me means that she can’t chill out and enjoy it.”

And do you think her “chilling” (what is chilling? Not having to try hard? Not having to put in effort? Not having to worry that if you don’t bring your A game you’ll get tossed to the side of the road? Not having to be on good behavior?) would improve things? I mean, which employee do YOU want working for your company: the one that isn’t worried about being fired and is chilling out, or the one who’s worried they’re going to get fired if they don’t get those files on your desk a day earlier than you ask for them? Which employee is more likely to do a good job long-term and which employee is more likely to get lazy and entitled and bring your company to a halt?

Oh no, she’s “stressed” feeling “dread”…poor thing, we should keep her from feeling that!! Of course then she pays money to go to a theater to watch the next Saw sequel before she reads her 50 Shades of Grey and fantasizes about some alpha dude from Game of Thrones raping her lol

One of the biggest myths society fed us is that it’s CRUEL and MEAN to make a girl experience “bad feels”. Most supplication is based on guys wanting to make sure the girl never feels a bad emotion around them because they’re “jerks” if they do that. Meanwhile who does she chase? The lovable jerk who occasionally makes her feel bad feels and then smooths it over, just like the vampires in Twilight and every guy in every episode of 90210, Dawson’s Creek, Days Of Our Lives, etc There’s a REASON women watch soap operas and it’s not because everything goes right and happy all the time in them. There’s a REASON they watch a movie just to cry. Because they NEED the full range of emotions.

Thing is you might lose her. Okay, that sucks. But 1) she can be replaced, she isn’t doing anything for you that other girls won’t do. Other girls will do dishes, and give you massages, and do anal, etc ESPECIALLY in this New Relationship Energy stage (google Blackdragon’s stuff on NRE, again ask the deadbedroom reddit forum how many of them were getting BJs and anal every night up till the wedding day), and 2) if you cave on your needs/desires and enter a relationship out of scarcity (fear of losing her because she’s special), do you think she’ll respect you and be as attracted to you as she is when you hold your ground on what you want in life?

NRE: http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2015/07/23/how-to-deal-with-new-relationship-energy-nre/

Would YOU respect someone who you KNEW was just doing what you wanted when it went against their best interests? Would you trust THAT person to lead your ship in life? Would you trust THAT person to stand up for you when shit hits the fan when you see how easily they toss away their values?

Would you trust the fate of your business in the hands of a partner who you saw sign a contract that was NOT in their best interest and hurt the company, just because they were shamed into it? Is that someone you could rely on to run your company safely or would you start looking for a better partner so you could feel secure that you had someone who won’t compromise on their values?

Sure at first she’ll be happy as a fucking CLAM…you’ll get the best sex of your life, better than you’re getting now. You’ll have a solid 6-12 months of the most amazing time you’ve ever had with a girl. But when that NRE wears off? Well, how excited are you STILL about some new shirt you bought 3 years ago that you were excited about when you got it? Is it just hanging in your closet and you glance at it occasionally thinking “oh ya that was a cool shirt I guess” or are you still as psyched about it as when you first got it? You were probably excited when you unboxed your computer you’re reading this on however long ago you got it…are you sitting here thinking “WOW I LOVE THIS THING!!!” right now? Or are you going “stupid computer, why are you running so slow UGHHHH my friend’s computer runs way faster than this piece of junk”

Part of why the sex is the best sex of her life is because she’s fucking an alpha male that she’s attracted to. Some beta schlub doing what you’re doing to her would REPULSE her. It’s YOU and your VALUE that makes the sex amazing to her right now. Monogamy, especially when guilted/shamed/blackmailed into it out of scarcity etc instead of you CHOOSING it out of abundance, is voluntarily crippling your value…so how is the sex going to be then? How was the sex with her ex-BF she cheated on when she didn’t respect him and wasn’t attracted to him anymore?

Now when you have enough experience that you really fully know your worth internally so that you don’t question it, and you understand how to keep yourself attractive in a relationship (ie – don’t stop going out with your friends, don’t stop flirting with other girls, let her feel a little dread, etc), you might be able to pull off a Rollo situation.

But think about it this way:

What’s the FIRST THING everyone in the Manosphere/red pill would tell you to do the day you come to us 3 years from now complaining that she doesn’t want to fuck you anymore and you’re worried she might be cheating with some other guy she keeps talking to? The FIRST thing we would all do is tell you to employ DREAD GAME and make her worry that you can get other girls and that you might leave her at any point and that she might lose you, to trigger her to chase you.

So if that’s the advice we’re going to give you in the future, why not save yourself the hassle and drama and just KEEP EMPLOYING DREAD GAME like you currently ARE? lol

“It’s like a dream come true. The only thing I’m really struggling hard with is the occasional feeling that I don’t deserve it.”

You don’t deserve being insulted and shouted at and dealing with temper tantrums for mentioning you looked up porn. You don’t deserve to be guilted and shamed into monogamy, a deal that you don’t want. You don’t deserve to feel bad for being who you are, a man with sexual desires and who wants to better himself socially and have the type of lifestyle he wants and the social skills and self-improvement etc that he pictures himself being capable of. You don’t deserve to feel guilty for wanting to reach your potential.

The rest of what she’s doing is great, yay for sex and dishes and shit. That’s why you Soft Next the BAD behavior out of her, and REWARD the good behavior. You don’t REWARD the BAD behavior with your attention or commitment because that just teaches her that the way to get what she wants is BAD behavior. Ask any guy who’s stayed with a Cluster-B how THAT dynamic works out lol

“I NEVER let on about this to her. Her perception of me is that I don’t care about her enough, and that she wants me way more than I want her, etc.”

Good, that’s how it SHOULD be. She SHOULD want you more than you want her. Like Patrice says: “My girl LOVES me, and I LIKE her. And she HATES that she loves me, she wishes she didn’t love me so much and that I loved her more than she loves me. Cause she knows that she’s priority number 3 on my list, not priority number 1. First priority is my mom, then my career, THEN her. Then my fish. And I LIKE my fish, so she better keep her game up lol”

Thing is Disney sold her on the bullshit that the guy should be swooning and dote on her and the guy should be madly in love with the girl while she just likes him…because that’s the perfect arrangement for a girl: dozens of orbiters doting on her and she gets to just pick and choose which one she lets be with her in that moment. That’s a prime setup for her and her biology, but it’s a raw deal for the guy.

The reality is she’s happier overall being with a guy she can’t quite get than she is with a guy who she has and knows isn’t going anywhere. Just like you’re more appreciative of a dinner you had to work hard to get than one someone hands to you that you’re bored of.

“I know talking with her about it will only be completely self-defeating and counterproductive”

Yup: change her mood, not her mind. That’s why we use Soft Nexts, because it’s a subtle withdrawing of attention that changes her mood, it’s not a logical conversation about it. There’s a time and place to ream the girl out with logic bombs, but those moments are few and far between and need to be executed in a very specific way for her solipsism/etc to even grasp them, and just subtly punishing her bad behavior (and rewarding her good behavior) from day one is much easier, faster, and better.

“Obviously solipsism has guaranteed that she’s unaware of the fact that those dynamics are a big part of why she’s so attracted to me.”

Yup, that’s why you can’t discuss it with them. She can even AGREE with you on it but it won’t matter once her feels take over in the moment and she just rationalizes her behavior/feelings.

“It’s been a bit of headfuck having to stay quiet about all this, with all this knowledge floating around and processing in my head in the background.”

That’s why you have this place. :) And guys like us to talk about it with. And why guys USED to have male-only meetings and shit before feminists banned that shit. So you can talk about this shit and get your thoughts out and get feedback and reinforcement that you’re taking right action and on the right track with your thinking, instead of having to bounce it off your girl and fuck things up.

“Were they really the scum of the earth, or did they just push all the right buttons, generate all the tingles, and the only thing that went wrong was that they didn’t want to be locked down?”

You got it. And how many of those alphas do they actually CHEAT on VS just end it because they’re frustrated they can’t get him and still end up fantasizing etc about him? VS how many of the supplicative Nice Guy monogamous boyfriends do they cheat on and act repulsed by?

“But you go a lifetime hearing that guys like that are assholes, and you start to believe it. It’s been taking quite a lot to condition that belief out of myself.”

Ya man you got 20+ years of social conditioning telling you everything you read here and try to apply is wrong and shameful and abusive and horrible and bla bla bla

But at the end of the day you have eyes and they’re open and you can look around you and SEE the truth instead of listening to what she tells you.

“It is interesting to see that it works the same, though, and all the different girls I’ve been with have responded the same way to calibration/sexual escalation/dominance.”

The main reason guys settle is because they’re scared they’ll never find the same thing with any other girl, even when that thing isn’t perfect, they’re willing to settle for it because they don’t really know if they can find what they have again. And if you’re like, 40+, maybe that’s true who knows. But if you’re in your 20s or 30s you have a LIFETIME of girls ahead of you.

“But therein lies the RP truths. Women make more rules for Betas, and break the rules for Alphas.”

Yup. The rule is “be monogamous with me”, and yet here she is chasing a guy who’s breaking that rule. If you DECIDE “you’re better than all the other girls, I like being with you so okay you can be in my life”, cool, but that’s not your situation. Your situation is her badgering you and harrassing you and guilting you into following the rules (aka monogamy).

“It’s not easy but I’m a lot better off than I was a year ago, to say the least.”

You’ll be fine, you’re a smart dude and you have good influences around here. Keep writing out your thoughts/feelings to get feedback here, don’t try to take this shit on alone, use the support network you have here because EVERYONE EVERYWHERE ELSE AND EVERYTHING IN SOCIETY will try to force you into the standard plan that you instinctively KNOW isn’t the right plan for you. No one gives a shit if you end up in a deadbedroom or cheated on or divorced or suicidal, all they care about is that you be a proper tool for society to use and you keep society going.

@scray
“you have to have some balls on you to execute the things you need to execute when you’re juggling multiple women.”

Ya that’s why guys need a lot of field experience and experience juggling women to get a handle on it. By setting frames early and enforcing them rock solid and screening properly, you can eliminate a LOT of drama from the arrangement though. But guys don’t believe that until they do it and suddenly go “man, I have 3 girls on the go who all know about eachother and don’t hassle me about it…I didn’t know this was even possible wtf??”

“nothing wrong with human connection, etc. and ‘the feels.’”

I still cuddle them and shit after sex lol And we txt and have a connection. I just set the frame of: “if you come over, we’re going to fuck and you can’t hang out here all day because I have shit to do and I’m not going to take you to dinner etc because I don’t do that and if you really want that you can find another guy to give you that”

VS the guys who have to spend the entire day with the girl and wine and dine her to get to the sex part, or the girl starts withholding sex and they still hang out because they don’t want to seem like a jerk, etc. SHE doesn’t dictate the frame, YOU do. If she has a problem with it she’s welcome to go try to find better out there, because she won’t be able to, because even if she finds a guy who will spend all day hanging out with her, that guy won’t be offering half the shit I offer that she needs because that guy doesn’t understand game/attraction and doesn’t GET that a 30 minute cuddle can be the equivalent of a day long rock climbing (or whatever) adventure with dinner at a fancy restaraunt and a romantic walk along the beach.

@ludiadiamondz @Softek
“Add just one more plate.. to stay balanced lol.”

I recommend 3 as the best setup. With one girl it’s easy to fall into scarcity and hard to do stuff like a Soft Next because you’re giving up sex and affection and touch etc. With two girls it becomes a competition and when one is pissed off you have to spend so much time with the other one that again you can fall into scarcity and if they find out about eachother it’s drama city where you have to choose one of them. With THREE girls (even if two of them are just casual fuckbuddies), usually at least ONE of them is chill at any given point and you can Soft Next the other two if they give you drama and still have female attention, and because you have three girls it feels more like you have “lots” of girls so you just become “that guy” with a lot of girls instead of that guy pitting two girls against eachother…and with three, if one is mad you don’t have to constantly hang with the second one and build one-itis with her, you can go between the 2nd and 3rd girl and still keep aloof enough to make smart decisions.

“Then next her when she gets tired of waiting for commitment.”

Usually this’ll happen, which is why I keep saying Softek MIGHt lose her. But it’s important to understand that this happens all the time when you lay down the law, but what happens like 90% of the time is the girl goes and tries to find better than you but she CAN’T, because every guy she finds is a pushover and you’re always that guy who stood up for yourself and your values and stuck to your guns even if it meant losing her, so you’re ALWAYS the guy who had enough abundance to not care if she walks, and you will ALWAYS be her alpha widow because of that. So after a few weeks or months (I find it’s anywhere from 3 months to 8 months) you get that “heyy” txt at 2am from her out of nowhere, because she’s tried to go find better and realized there ISN’T better and that 90% of you is better than 100% of other guys.

Read up on Blackdragon’s LSNFTE concept:

http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2014/10/12/important-ignore-breakup/

A breakup is FINE, because when you get back together it’ll be on your terms and you haven’t caved on your principles in her mind.

“But you have to believe yourself that you can/will land similar/better, just like you landed her. Seriously believe in yourself that you can land another and another and another.”

This is why you gotta still go out and flirt with waitresses and store clerks and shit when you’re running errands, ’cause your brain needs proof that you can get another girl. When it stops believing that, that’s when you fall into scarcity. And what you feel, she feels.

@Softek
Having, establishing, and enforcing boundaries:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871

Identity, Boundaries, Shit-tests:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/12/#comment-heartiste-396649

It’s a lot to digest, but save all these things to a list somewhere of resources to check out in your free time because these are the things that are going to help you for the rest of your life, in ALL your relationships, even dude/friend relationships and business relationships and family relationships etc Just take in bits and pieces and expect that this stuff will probably take a while to fully “get” and internalize and execute and you’ll probably fuck up a bit and that’s okay. The end goal is achieving your potential as a high-value man and you’ll get there as long as you take right action and learn who you are and understand your value.

@emily
“^Didn’t read that, but I agree with Forge:) Keyser, that sounds overly simplified, probably untrue and rather irrelevant.”

LET’S YOU AND HIM FIGHT FOR MY APPROVAL!!! Doesn’t work without a titty pic up.

@quixotic
Good job dude, looks like you were spreading a ton of value everywhere you went and you had solid calibration with your escalation (despite the dudebro stereotypes even slutty girls generally don’t want the guy they’re with to make them FEEL slutty).

aww man you had to put WAY too much WORK in it was WORK

@newlyaloof @quixotic
“Made me think back to my spring break trip in college when I didn’t know game. Didn’t get laid once; just thought it should magically happen”

“I wandered around for hours not talking to anyone trying to look cool, i guess hoping a girl would just approach me lol nope. It was a nightmare felt like such a loser.”

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS FAGGOTS??? EVERYONE GETS LAID ON SPRING BREAK BRO, IT’S SO EASY, IT’S ALL JUST SLUTS WHO WANT TO GET SOME DICK YOU MUST BE AN UGLY LOSER IF YOU DIDN’T GET LAID ON SPRING BREAK BRO I WENT ONCE AND THIS 10 TOTALLY SUCKED MY DICK WOW YOU SHOULD FEEL INADEQUETE AND HATE YOURSELF AND GO HIT THE GYM MORE BRO AND GET A NICER WATCH!!

lol No one pays attention to the dudes on death-row so whenever we ARE the guy standing there watching everyone else getting laid (because we don’t see the other guys on death-row not getting laid) we feel like we’re the ONLY ONES, just the big lame losers who can’t get laid on spring break…but if you really look at them and interact with them, most of the time the dudes on death row are guys that SHOULD be getting laid but they just don’t have the confidence or game to go make it happen.

“These last few weekends on spring break I saw a TON of jacked guys, guys with sixpacks etc standing around with their buddies trying to look cool while me and my buddies opened set after set, merged sets, winged for buddies by breaking up groups, girls talking over each other vying for my attention, DHV’ing. I saw that familiar painful look of realization on their faces as they watched us work.”

IMPOSSIBLE DUDE. TRUST ME WHEN YOU LOOK LIKE CHAD THUNDERCOCK PUSSY JUST FALLS FROM THE SKY ALL THOSE GIRLS WHO PRETENDED TO LIKE YOU GUYS WERE JUST HUMORING YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE BEING DANCING MONKEY PUAS IN REALITY THEY ALL WENT HOME WITH THOSE BETTER LOOKING GUYS WHO STOOD AROUND ALL NIGHT AND THEN THEY DIDN’T EVEN FUCK *THOSE* GUYS BECAUSE THEY TEXTED THEIR GLL BULLS TO GO FUCK THEM INSTEAD!!!!11 LOOKS ARE ALL THAT MATTER BRO, YOU PROBABLY JUST THOUGHT THOSE GIRLS WERE INTERACTING WITH YOU BUT THEY WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET PAST YOU TO TALK TO THE JACKED SIX-PACK GUYS, I MEAN IT’S A BEACH PARTY WHERE EVERYONE IS SHIRTLESS NO WAY THEY WOULD PICK YOU OVER THOSE GUYS TRUST ME BRO I READ THE TRP FORUMS EVERY DAY!!!!

The reality is those 6-pack dudes standing there trying to look like James Bond will NEVER get the kind of reaction that goofy dancing guy got or you got when you started up that pool football game etc. They WOULD if they took action, but why would they take action, they got a 6-pack bro and their buddies told them if they just get a 6-pack pussy will fall from the sky especially with those sluts on spring break.

“The realization Yareally talks about that their externals (being in good shape) was not sufficient to get the girls.”

This. The disappointment a girl feels when a good-looking guy opens his mouth and turns out to have weak internals is the same as if a guy takes home what he thinks is a 9 and then she takes off her clothes and a bunch of fat rolls blimp out because she was wearing a corset underneath. Like a chick-friend of mine puts it: “what a waste of good genetics :(”

Props on your progress, internal and external!


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@scribblerg
“what are you doing on the 3rd date going back to his place late at night if you aren’t DTF?”

Someone should consider writing up a thought experiment where if women knew they could be raped legally inside a man’s home, maybe they wouldn’t go back to a guy’s place at 1am when he’s half-drunk if they aren’t DTF. πŸ˜‰

http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape

@fleezer
So don’t take diet advice from him. brb ignoring Einstein’s theory of relativity because he didn’t have a 6-pack or was depressed. brb ignoring soccer advice from David Beckham because he’s not good at chess.

Dude wasn’t perfect but he knew that and had a solid head on his fat shoulders:

@all
Don’t take life or yourself or other people too seriously:

This one’s for Softek about honestly being yourself VS hiding who you are (at 7:00 and 9:30 in this interview and a bunch of places…at 10:40 he calls this dorky guy out on not being himself, some serious real-talk bombs being dropped here about being 100% yourself upon meeting someone and building a connection, he reaches into this guy’s SOUL lol…don’t learn from his dietary habits, but any man would do well to learn from his mindsets/philosophies about honesty and expressing yourself (I haven’t even SEEN this clip I was just clicking random Patrice shit, but now I gotta watch the whole thing cause this is full of good shit lol)):

The comment section on those vids are a good example of how people respect and appreciate authenticity and congruency and unstifled self-expression. Don’t try to be James Bond, just be yourself unashamedly.


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@scray
“but i mean, it’s just starting to get very EASY. like I don’t take rejection personally AT ALL because i’m just like ‘well….if were alone, it’d be over, so whatever.’ ”

This. There’s a big shift guys have to make when they first start approaching girls where they understand that the girl isn’t rejecting THEM. She doesn’t KNOW “them”, she knows the little glimpse they gave her of themselves and if they half-assed it or she has social conditioning that won’t let her experience you (like a snobby girl looking down on a dude in a t-shirt) she’s not rejecting YOU as a person or as a man.

Even if she doesn’t REJECT you, you’ll sometimes get the “hot girl blase” or “wall of politeness” that Todd and Julien talk about all the time, where she won’t even be RUDE, she’ll be polite but keep you at arms length and have a conversation with you where she isn’t REALLY having a conversation with YOU, and she just won’t let you connect with her on that level where she gets to experience you (ESPECIALLY if you aren’t being authentic and are half-assing stepping up and don’t believe you deserve her or that interacting with you could have value to her).

That same thing will happen in high-end social circles where a lot of the people are worried about if other people think they’re high-value so everyone puts on a fake “schtick” of how they think a cool person would behave and you have these interactions where no one is REALLY expressing who they are (which is similar to what Patrice is calling that interviewer kid out on in that clip I just linked).

So in those cases we learn to make an IMPACT. We FORCE her to pay attention to us by causing emotional impact that shits all over her facade. Same with those dudes putting on a schtick, you say or do something that shakes their reality and blows that facade shit out the window and makes them all lighten up and actually interact with you on a real level, even if that’s a negative level (you can smooth that over).

By blowing that bullshit layer off of them, and fully expressing yourself, THEN the girl gets to interact with YOU and who YOU are and when you get to THAT point, usually you’ll get attraction because the congruency/authenticity ALONE is attractive.

“society has a vested interest in pushing bullshit in your face about how you suck shit and aren’t good enough, so of course the ONLY guys you WILL EVER SEE get SOCIAL REINFORCEMENT for ‘player’ behavior are ones who adhere to some gayass model of the world. ”

Yup. You see glimpses of it in places like My Secret Garden or queensnake (DO NOT GOOGLE NSFW NSFL lol) or fanpages set up for ugly-ass male actors or whatever…but like David Spade says here (around 2:30):

No one WANTS David Spade to be a player. He shouldn’t be allowed to be a player or successful with women. He’s this skinny 5’5″ sarcastic little guy…he’s not SUPPOSED to get women. Women aren’t supposed to WANT to fuck him. Women aren’t going to set up a Jezebel comment section about how sexy David Spade is and ask to see him in a fireman calendar, Rollo’s not going to hire him to do male strip shows. Clooney, Dicaprio, THOSE guys are ALLOWED to have women. Those guys are ALLOWED to be players. It’s SAFE for a girl to say publically that she wants to fuck Clooney.

So you’re not going to see a bunch of David Spades or Tylers or guys like myself or my short/foreign/etc buddies getting laid even though it happens all the fucking time when you go out infield and pay attention. The guys you’re going to see women raving about (BECAUSE WE LISTEN TO WHAT WOMEN SAY ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT WHEN IT CONFORMS TO OUR SOCIALLY CONDITIONED WORLD VIEW OF COURSE) are the Chris Hemsworth’s and John Hamms and shit, which just keeps reinforcing the retarded socially conditioned value system that keeps most guys feeling like they don’t deserve to get the girls they want and keeps them running the rat race competing with other men for looks, money, etc when that girl is sucking her fucking DOG’S cock because it’s this big scary beast that will dominate her but she’ll never admit that out loud because of the social consequences.

“WHAT IF….….women will just fuck anyone, anytime, anyway….if there aren’t social consequences?”

There you go.

“people can’t handle that shit. at least not in this society.”

Not even in the Manosphere. Or TRP. PUA is probably at the forefront of realizing and accepting and working within this observation, because we’re the ones out there pushing the boundaries. A girl SHOULDN’T fuck a guy like Julien who approaches her the way Julien approaches her, that goes against everything everyone THINKS would work. But Julien is a PUA who pushes boundaries so there he is, opening girls by shouting “DOG!! SLUT!!” at them, JUST to see what happens, while Manosphere guys are trying to order the coolest martini on the menu as they pose up and try to talk about their vacation in Italy and TRP guys are trying to get jacked and looking for easy Approach Invites.

So we have probably the most up to date experience with pushing these boundaries and seeing just how far we can push things with girls still being attracted to or fucking us, and a LOT of PUA shit is based around simply removing social consequences for her. What is avoiding ASD? What is disarming LMR? What is avoiding Buyer’s Remorse? What is isolation? What is winning her friends over? What is being non-judgemental? What is inviting her up “to see my goldfish but I have to work in the morning so you can only stay for a bit”? What IS any of that shit? It’s all to remove the social consequences of fucking you.

That’s why I said to ETA in the other thread who was talking about how these PUA guys are just dancing clowns to the girls. It wouldn’t even matter if they ARE dancing clowns…if they’re FUN and they can structure a situation where the girl will face no social consequences for fucking them, and they can spike basic Attraction by understanding some game, there’s no reason the girl WON’T fuck them.

That’s why they HATE guys like me, or Tyler, or Julien. With Mystery we can look at him and go “ya well, it’s because he’s TALL, whew, that fits our paradigm of social conditioning”, so we can explain Mystery. We can explain David Spade “ya well, he’s a rich celebrity so of course he gets laid (even though he was getting laid before he was famous, just like Russell Brand, but hey Russell is tall so whew, our paradigm stays in-tact)”. That’s why we see a short guy with a tall hot girl and assume she’s a hooker or he’s rich.

But that’s why they hate little balding ginger Tyler, or Julien wearing the same t-shirt for a month till it’s disgusting and smelly as he calls girls dogs, or me with my scruffy looks and beer belly and no money, etc Because they can’t EXPLAIN us. We’re breaking the rules so they have to look for SOME REASON to explain our success. So they point to Tyler now and say “well he’s pretty good looking, he has a symmetrical face” and ignore all the years where he looked like Krusty the Clown with his hair or was a fatass. They say Julien is super sexy tall when Julien is really only like 6 feet tall max (he just looks tall compared to the midgets at RSD lol) and they point to him when he’s dressed well and ignore all the footage of him doing well when he’s dressed like shit. They have to say “oh it’s paid actresses” and “oh you just hit on drunk bar sluts who ANYONE could get” and “oh it’s MANIPULATION, you’re BRAINWASHING these girls and MANIPULATING low-self esteem girls, that would never work on a QUALITY girl, only James Bond gets the QUALITY girl” because they need SOME WAY to rationalize this shit to fit it into their socially conditioned world view.

And the reason they’ll continue to operate that way, and keep their blind spots, is because they’ll never do the exercise Julien rants about in this video:

They’ll never go out dressed like shit with their hair messy and feel fully entitled to approach hot girls. They’ll ALWAYS go out looking and feeling their best and being in their comfort zone…and if they DON’T, it will DESTROY their self-confidence and self-esteem because they’ve never done it before and don’t REALLY believe they’re entitled to get that girl if they aren’t looking their best or wearing their fancy watch or whatever, so they’ll get rejected because the girl will ping off their shitty subcommunications that say “I don’t deserve you”. They will NEVER stick through that pain period and go through all those rejections feeling like they’re a newbie starting over from scratch getting his face shoved in the dirt until he starts letting go and building off glimpses of success until his internals fix themselves to where he’s actually getting the same success (or better) than he was back when he was locked into society’s value system and letting social conditioning dictate how he feels about himself. NO GUY will do that, that’s fucking CRAZY, what guy would even purposely TRY that?

So everything I’m writing right now will just fly over most guys’ head as it gets stored in my archive for years down the road when some guy who’s figuring this out infield the way you are, stumbles across this comment and is like “holy shit, this dude knew wtf he was talking about” lol And I KNOW that when I write this stuff, but I don’t care because it’s important that this stuff is explained and archived somewhere for the future when more men are looking for answers and the basic “dress nice and don’t buy a girl a drink” advice isn’t enough because they see glimpses of this next layer peeking through and need to what they’re seeing.

“So i just sort of operate under that assumption and try to create a safe space for it.”

Exactly. I’m actually surprised at how far you’ve come in just a few years lol You’re spouting shit these days that guys don’t figure out till like 10 years in the game and some guys NEVER get, even in places like this. Props, dude.

“the cool thing is that once you get enough of this going, it just makes NO SENSE to be an asshole.”

Right. I don’t NEED to be an asshole to girls, just like I don’t NEED to be threatening or aggressive with dudes. I can treat them nice and simply enforce my boundaries when people cross them, and I can enforce those boundaries in a calm assertive way, or relate to the person and help them see my view, or, if I need to stoke some drama because the girl is starting to take all the good feelings she gets around me for granted, I may purposely give her shit about her attitude and pick a fight, but I’m not even MAD when I do it lol It’s like taking your dog for a run to burn off energy.

“hot girls have the most insane stories about guys like…..for months just taking them on dates. but ya….the sexual frame is super important.”

It’s retarded. Half of why I view things the way I do is because when I hang out with girls, I’m non-judgemental and poke them for information on what “my competition” is like and they show me all these fucking sad loser guys that supplicate so fucking hard for them. And these are AWESOME guys. WAY better than me (by society’s value system). Rich, jacked, 6-packs, fancy cars, taking them to expensive restaraunts, world-travelled, taking them on vacations, you name it. I’m just some idiot that won’t take them to dinner unless they’re buying it for us lol

But most guys will never see that shit because they get around a girl and are too insecure to check what their competition is like, or they just don’t think to do it, and they view themselves as lucky to have gotten the girl because they don’t realize how fucking LAME all these other guys are compared to them and how thirsty guys are, even COOL good-looking rich guys.

“and if they pull the ‘all you want me for is…’ blah blah blah”

That’s what happened to me recently. Chick pulled the “I want to come over” “ok, dress sexy” “I don’t feel sexy tonight” “ok come over later” “OMG YOU JUST WANT ME FOR SEX LIKE ONE OF YOUR SLUTS” and I had to punish that shit with some real-talk bombs (just calmly enforcing my boundaries)…because EVERY OTHER DUDE she’s met would say “oh that’s okay just come over and cuddle” whereas I have the audacity to expect her to bring a good attitude and be sexy for me when she comes over because I’m a DUDE with a working DICK who wants to FUCK a girl I’m ATTRACTED to, oh no what an asshole!! lol

If I had let her just come over, she would put in less and less effort to see when I’m going to call her out on it. Now that she KNOWS poking the bull will get the horns, she’s not going to pull that shit on me again (at least not for a while till she gets too comfortable again lol). And ultimately she’s HAPPIER having her attitude readjusted and having some discipline, because she knows she’s a better person when she’s in a good mood and that I’m happier when I like being around her and that she’s happier when I like being around her. It’s win/win for both of us, just like it’s win/win to not let your child have donuts for dinner just because they throw a tantrum and make them eat their broccoli…in the end they’ll thank you for being a ship-captain they can trust.

“like the roleplay is something like ‘you think i’m a piece of meat’ and then it’s something like ‘you know i’m a dog’ and then she relents because she knows you just can’t help yourself.”

lol ya, that’s a different situation entirely.


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Unreal:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/elon-musks-divorce-could-cost-154020180.html

From TRP:

“Wtf. This is the 2nd divorce he is getting from the SAME woman! Can you imagine getting divorced raped twice from the same person? Wth.”

“It gets better. Since his pre-nup was used for the last divorce, rumor is he doesn’t have one for this current marriage. Under California law, if they share a residence, all of the capital gains he’s made since the marriage are up for asset division.

He will lose his massive influence at Tesla and SpaceX due to a 50% loss of founder level shares. This could sink both companies.”

“Wait seriously? You’re telling me some divorce raping bitch could halt the single most stalwart force in green and sustainable energy along with space exploration? Can we charge with woman with crimes against humanity?”

“This man is one of few people alive who is using his genius and resources to combat major humanitarian issues (some of which may cause our extinction) and this little twat could ruin him?!”

“She also received a tender tweet from Musk: “It was an amazing four years. I will love you forever. You will make someone very happy one day.” That someone was Musk again. They remarried in July 2013.

The oneitis is strong with this one.”

For the virgin lovers:

“She claimed in interviews that she was a virgin when she married him, so presumably Elon Musk believes this, and will not adequately defend himself against the incoming divorce rape.”

And fucking lol for our host:

“I’m mailing a copy of “The Rational Male” to the SpaceX headquarters. Probably won’t make it but Musk is my inspiration professionally, plus I might not get an electric car if he drives off a cliff into the Pacific.”
:)

His first wife, who also divorce-raped him:

http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/advice/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/

“They have no children together, but Musk has five sons from a previous marriage to author Justine Musk (Marie Claire called theirs “America’s messiest divorce)”

“I needed our life to change. I didn’t want to be a sideline player in the multimillion-dollar spectacle of my husband’s life. I wanted equality. I wanted partnership.”

And the best part:

“When I first met Elon, I wasn’t blonde, either. I was an aspiring writer in my first year at Queen’s University in Ontario, Canada, sprung from a small hometown and recovering from a difficult case of first love with the older man I’d left behind. I liked older. I liked poetic and rebellious and tortured. I liked a guy who parked his motorcycle beneath my dorm-room window and called my name through the twilight: Romeo in a dark-brown leather jacket.”

Like that Patrice meets the hot intern video I linked earlier, how amazing and magical must it be to have a pussy. That just being born with a pussy gets you access to men like this and money like this without having to ever contribute a fucking THING to society, while guys work their asses off and just hand it to them because they believe the Disney fantasy about Twue Wuv.

Sorry kids, no space exploration, this chick’s vagina shoots out magic fucking rainbows that were worth sacrificing the fate of the entire human race lol

“And something unexpected happened: Throughout the divorce proceedings, his fiancée and I discovered we liked each other. People were puzzled that I didn’t want to poke chopsticks in her eyeballs. “It’s kind of like a French movie,” observed a friend, and I sent Talulah an e-mail:

I would rather live out the French-movie version of things, in which the two women become friends and various philosophies are pondered, than the American version, in which one is “good” and one is “bad” and there’s a huge catfight sequence and someone gets thrown off a balcony.

She responded, Let’s do as the French do.”

Someone should’ve warned this guy AWALT.


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“One wonders why you try and defend Roosh”

Because it’s a clever article that makes a good point and I can separate the content of his thought experiment from the rest of his writing instead of getting emotionally worked up clutching my pearls over seeing the word “rape” lol He’s literally making the same point you’re making: a chick going home with a dude can be interpreted by him as her wanting to get fucked so it’s a bad idea to go home with him if you don’t want to fuck him because that guy might be a rapey asshole who’s going to rape her thinking “hey, she came home with me, she must want it”. Like he says, it would theoretically stop the type of trapped in a guy’s bathroom rape from happening since she wouldn’t be in there in the first place…it’s a logical point, even if it’s an absurd idea.

“I start feeling like I’m too old and it destroys me”

That’s your internal shit. There’s nothing she’s doing that forces you to feel old just like there’s no reason for you to feel old walking into, say, a park full of children. Those children aren’t making you feel old, your internals are making you feel old.

“the vibe just turns into me being paternal”

The vibe doesn’t turn, the vibe has no will of its own. You control the vibe, it’s important to understand that you are responsible for not turning it paternal and not letting her turn it paternal. You lead.

“Serious question: Is there such a thing as too old to pick up young hotties? I’m 53. When should a man stop pickup?”

Ok you’re right. You’re too old. 52 is the cutoff. Now what?

“It’s become, “Why approach if I’m just going to bail or get weird anyway?””

Exact same self-doubts a 21yo learning pickup has. :)

“I was all jazzed when I noticed the IOIs and attraction but now I’m face to face with the fact that if I want to fuck them, I have to escalate and frankly, it makes me shit my pants.”

Exact same fear a 21yo learning pickup has. :)

““Creepy old guy” is what I expect to hear”

Exact same fear a 21yo learning pickup has except he worries they’ll say “creepy guy” instead of “creepy old guy”. :)

“I find I’m stuck at midset and can’t make myself number close and don’t think there is enough buying interest.”

Quit saying stuff like “can’t make myself”. You CAN make yourself, but you’re scared to. You’re not incapable of it. You can physically move your hands and lips and form words and move and escalate, there’s nothing making that a “can’t” except standard escalation anxiety and ego-protection (not wanting to risk being called a creep).

“and don’t think there is enough buying interest”

How would you know if there’s enough buying interest, you never escalate and find out. πŸ˜‰

“Are there other guys my age doing PUA?”

Lots. And there’ll be more as the divorce rapes keep rolling in and all these old dudes are shoved back into the dating scene and have no idea what they’re doing. But we know there are tons of 50+yo actors in Hollywood that can get pussy. So then age isn’t a limit because if you had enough value to the girl, like a celebrity, she would fuck you just like she’d fuck David Duchoveny or Liam Neeson.

So your job is to focus on projecting high-value and then capitalizing on iois when you have them instead of worrying and waiting and missing the window and ending up in the “paternal zone” which is really just the old man version of the “friend zone”, the exact same problem a 21yo who doesn’t escalate and doubts the iois he sees has.

Your big problem is you’ve never had to DEMONSTRATE high-value. You’ve always just BEEN high-value in your prime, it radiated off you because you were a young natural alpha dude tearing shit up left and right. Now you need a way to demonstrate your value because at first glance a girl will probably assume you don’t have value.

That’s what Mystery Method is, a systematic way of displaying the same value that an A-list celeb or rockstar etc displays. If you can figure out how to DHV on your own in some natural way, cool, but you probably won’t be able to because you haven’t had to before. That’s why I’m pushing Mystery Method on you…as much as it puts you inside your head, at the end of the day it’s a systematic way of demonstrating value and flipping the triggers that a Clooney or Duchoveny triggers.

“Fyi there is a big difference between being 45 and 53…”

Hugh Laurie, Kallum Keith Rennie, George Clooney, Robert Downey Jr (he’s only 50 tho), Brad Pitt is 52, Tom Selleck was 53 when he was the hot older man on Friends…etc etc etc.

You’re still trying to separate yourself as having to run “old man game”, you’ve just reframed it and reworded it but it’s the same shit: “what’s the cheat code for being an old man and never risking rejection??” There’s no cheat code. The cheat code is learn Mystery Method so you know how to DHV/qualify/etc and hit the field lol

Are you DHV’ing till you get a few ioi’s, then qualifying the girl and revving that loop until she’s giving you bigger ioi’s and then letting her pass a qualification and rewarding her with an insta-date/escalation? No? You’re stopping when you get ioi’s and letting the vibe go into the friend zone and just winging things like you did when you were younger? Then how do you know you can’t escalate on these iois or pull the girl for insta-dates (after properly qualifying her etc after she’s giving you obvious iois) and escalate in isolation?

Highly recommend watching Californication. Bunch of cool older men in there to model and normalize the idea that girls find old guys hot:

Jeff Bullet is/was a 50+yo PUA:

And here’s Jeffy on learning game old VS young (they have PLENTY of old guys take bootcamps):

“Is there a point where mindset can’t overcome age?”

Yup…the point where you allow yourself to not push through your escalation anxiety. Same point as a 21yo who’s too scared to pull the trigger and risk being called a creep, except you have less years to waste on it. You’re going to get older, not younger…if you think pulling the trigger on some coffee shop cutie is hard at 53, wait till you’re 55 or 60 and have to try to pull it with no reference experience of pulling it at 53. :)

@Culum @scribblerg
“It doesn’t matter – she’s not checking your driving licence to find out your exact age – all she cares about is “Does this guy fall into sexy older man/silver fox category or not?” As long as you do, then the EXACT age doesn’t matter.”

This. Girls just categorize you as “I’d fuck him” or “I wouldn’t fuck him”. My minority buddies stress their minority status but the cool ones the girls don’t even consider “minorities”, they’re just “cool”. Girls don’t care how old I am, anything past 30 is “old man” to them lol As long as you don’t look and act like their dad, it’s fine.

It’s all in your head, you’re just trying to find ways to rationalize not pulling the trigger while trying to separate yourself from the 21yo guy who has the exact same problem and the exact same solution for both of you is to pull the trigger and risk being called creepy.

Or wait another year to pull it. And another year. And another…πŸ˜‰

@Andy
“Another genius? Mystery. Holy Shit. I’m about 1/2 way through MM. Mind. Blown. What a huge contribution.”

lol consider that not only did he figure that shit out on his own, but he was going out all by himself in Toronto, a city that the RVF forum is scared shitless to even go NEAR because of the hostile chicks that will bitchslap your ego out into space for Elon Musk to find, and on top of that he was wearing his goofy fucking hat and crazy peacocking gear where every eye in the room is on him the second he walks in. Now he can handle that kind of social pressure, but back when he was starting out and was having the same rough nights everyone else has when they start out, but without the benefit of having a step by step instruction manual to learn from? Just figuring it out through sheer trial and error and deductive logic as he ate rejection after rejection and was probably called creepy and weird a million times, and STILL kept going, and then didn’t even hold onto the knowledge just for himself but taught other guys (for free at first even)??

That’s a pretty fuckin ballsy dude. No one who makes fun of his fuzzy hat would have the balls to do that.


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@scribblerg
Gotcha covered, this should clear it all up:

@Sun Wukong
“I’ve pushed my boundaries enough to get beer bottles hurled at me and have women screaming “ASSHOLE” repeatedly in my ear, so I guess that’s something.”

The real test is: can you get her to go from throwing beer bottles at you to fucking you? πŸ˜‰

@Water Cannon Boy
“Sometimes I wonder if being beta is a part of guys like this getting rich and successful. Even knowing that you can be rich/successful and alpha”

No one believes me when I tell them that usually guys who are rich and successful are too busy ACHIEVING THAT to also go learn and master pickup. That’s why the whole retarded “WHAT IF TWO GUYS HAVE GAME MASTERY BUT ONE IS JACKED AND RICH?!?!?” thing is retarded. Generally guys who excel in some area that isn’t “talking to girls”, are going to be shittier at “talking to girls” than the guy who spent all the time Elon spent designing Teslas and shit, on “talking to girls”, while he was busy letting society program how he views women.

TheOldOligarch
“Scribblerg, stop worrying about age, the approval of others or the right/wrong age to hit on girls”

This is really what it is. Scribblerg is looking for us or society etc to ALLOW him to hit on girls. He needs social approval to feel like he’s allowed to do it. For Blaximus this is a good example of a guy who’s a natural alpha dude, but is still caving to social pressure.

You gotta give yourself permission to do this, just like the 21yo who’s scared to escalate on girls.

@Jeremy
“Ugh, yes, but just do not, DO NOT, watch anything beyond season 3. Hank turns into a fucking beta with horrible oneitis like you’d never believe.”

Ya it sucks ass and the characters get retardedly cartoony/overacting, but Hank still has clever lines and good moments through the whole show if you can sit through the rest of it.

“I should say, same with “Mad Men” which is very red-pillish (not so much PUA material) at the beginning, but turns wholly apologetic for masculinity at the end.”

That’s really how all these things go, because mass blue pill audiences don’t want a red pill MGTOW PUA etc ending. I turn a lot of these shows/movies off at about the 3/4 mark when I watch them because from there it usually gets blue pill as fuck lol


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lol just ran into this vid, look at this sexy 10/10:

Tyler looks pretty good now, doing what he can with his looks, but this is how he looked for most of his pickup career lol

So hot:

Remember, this guy and this guy:

Decided not to accept their position in life and stop letting social conditioning dictate what they deserved.

@IAS
“On pop culture, what did you think of “How I met your Mother” (if you watched it)?”

Barney is an excellent role model for having FUN with pickup. I don’t care that NPH is gay or that the character is a little overly obsessed with looks/suits and kind of effeminate instead of badass tough manly alpha guy. That character has great mindsets and attitudes with regards to pickup and women and delusional self-confidence and positive affirmations and giving value to his buddies and self-amusement and enjoying life and women etc Highly recommend watching the show (it’s a good show in general lol) and absorbing some of that “this is supposed to be FUN, I’m going to just say this thing just to see what happens this’ll be hilarious to me” energy.

Also the Barney/Robin relationship was great, where they both let themselves go, it was nice to see that side of relationships get shown for once, and Barney bails on that shit and gets back to being awesome lol I didn’t see the last few seasons though.

This is basically me and my mindset lol:

And this is me if you wing with me and what I look for in a wing, 100% positivity 100% of the time:

Whenever I’m out with people I focus on bringing everyone’s vibe and energy and confidence up when we go out. I want everyone to feel awesome and be psyched to go out. The people I’m with have a better night because I make an effort to bring good energy to our group and help them to get into a headspace where they can do the same.


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@scribblerg @all
Jeffy just put up a vid on burnout in the game. Dude is 40 and has been doing pickup for 15 years. He looks ragged ’cause he’s at the end of the 5 day world summit (5 days of speaking to a huge audience and hitting up chaotic nightclubs etc):

Also lol at 7:30 where he describes most guys’ game. That’s your competition out there. The bar is LOW.

Last summit (scribbler pay attention to Julien’s part, and Jeffy’s parts):

Also expect to see more of this in the coming years, things are going to get ugly before they get pretty:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7034170/Single-girl-31-who-longed-to-wed-hanged-herself-as-she-struggled-to-cope-with-pals-marrying.html

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54782.html


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Ghomeshi’s lawyer on trial by blue pill society who’s mad she didn’t Listen & Believe without question:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/jian-ghomeshi-marie-henein-lawyer-interview-1.3510762

Chick is a BOSS, dude tries to nail her to the cross from a million angles and she’s having none of it. Stronger frame than most dudes have. No wonder he hired her lol


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@scray @forge @sentient @seraph
“you CAN be a jerk/destructive/reactive and whatever and STILL get laid and get women, but it’s not BECAUSE of those traits. first and foremost you have to STOP BEING A PUSSY. if you WANT something make moves to get it. ”

It’s not about being an asshole/jerk, it’s about being congruent and going for what you want. You can do that in a positive value-giving way without being an asshole. The problem Nice Guys have is that they aren’t actually congruent, they just think and act like they are…the reality is they WANT the girl but pretend NOT to. You can be a gentleman as long as your thoughts words and actions are all aligned toward wanting and trying to get the girl. That’s why shit like the Apocalypse Opener (basically bombarding her with compliments) work Pepe Le Pew style. It’s very clear that you’re aligned with trying to fuck her, not pretending like you don’t want to and like you’re cool with just being friends etc.

“it’s true that running verbal routines and making people laugh (stereotypical PUA stuff) won’t do it.”

This needs a bit of nuance so lurking newbies don’t get the wrong idea. You can absolutely build attraction just through verbals and making them laugh, but again there has to be that forward intent behind it because this:

“HOWEVER….making BOLD moves and escalating in the right away MOST CERTAINLY CAN create attraction.”

…is true, but also applies to verbals. You can make verbally bold moves and verbally escalate and spark attraction. I VERY rarely kino in my sets, especially on Day2s. But all of my verbals are showing my intent and escalating things and spiking her sexual triggers.

“and just keep holding her hand and caressing it. it is SUPER IMPORTANT that you not even acknowledge the kino AT ALL, like a goddamned boss.”

Ya, one of go-to moves when I do kino is to do the name exchange handshake and then just lower my hand with her hand in mind and not hold it so she can’t pull away, but not toss it away, so it’s her choice to leave it in my hand if she trusts me and tells me I have attraction already.

@Sentient
“In other words the exact GLL “screening” method from the Plan B post…”

GLL ignored when the girls needed him to back off and didn’t have the tools (at least in that video) to smooth it over and then try again, he just kept plowing over and over uncalibrated.

At 7:30 he takes the girl’s hand. Super. Good move. We all approve. At 8:00 she takes her hand back. Does he read the subcomm on that and work some more rapport/comfort with her? No he keeps talking about himself and then goes full sperg at tries to kiss her out of nowhere with “you’re pretty you’re pretty you’re pretty”. This is shitty game.

I haven’t seen Scray game but I can pretty much guarantee that if a girl pulls her hand away when he does his wrist kino move, he doesn’t respond by trying to kiss her, he recalibrates and escalates after she’s more receptive.

Chris’ starts out great in those videos. It’s everything after the start that he sucked at.


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Sorry to hear it dude.


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@Sentient
9:50 in that GLL vid, the girl is literally pushing him away trying to escape him as he spergily plows forward completely oblivious to her social cues. That’s shitty calibration. Hey scray when if you try your check out her watch move and she yanks her hand away and tries to run away, do you chase her down grabbing at her wrist?

Meanwhile watch Julien at 7:35:

He lightly holds her hand up there to test if she’ll naturally wrap it around his neck (compliance/trust/attraction) without acknowledging it and when she doesn’t he lets go and lets her take her hand away. Does he just grab her face and try to make out with her now? No, he backs off the kino entirely, calibrates, devalidates her by telling her to go away (causing her to naturally chase him a bit by not leaving). Then he goes in for another kino test, but at 8:18 she pulls away and he LETS HER. Because he’s not a sperg-lord. He backs off again and then spikes her temp more etc etc

Check the next one in the playlist (all of them really) for more of him doing all these little calibrations based on the girl’s responses to him pushing her boundaries and testing her compliance.

This is what calibration looks like. NO ONE IS SAYING GLL’S OPEN IS SHITTY. What GLL is doing is a great open followed by complete social retardation throwing away girls that would’ve been DTF if he didn’t sperg the interaction. That’s the part we’re shitting on, that he’s throwing away done deals because the game he’s showing off in that video is weak.


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@scray
Right, but we can isolate things to just “verbals” by looking at online game where you’re building sexual attraction just through “verbals” without them being able to see how you walk or feel how you touch etc.

I only make this a point because we know from field experience that pure verbals can build sexual attraciton…the most blatant example is that a LOT of my game was done over txt back when I did a lot of online game and when txting wasn’t such a swamp of chodes, and I was spiking sexual attraction all over the place with it. A newbie txting what I was txting would get the same sexual attraction even if his internals were all fucked up and he was a virgin.

This isn’t to say guys shouldn’t be pushing their kino boundaries out there, obviously they should be practicing escalating physically as fast as possible because they can escalate WAY faster than they realize, but just that I don’t like making black & white declarations on these things, for the sake of an accurate knowledge-base…like it’s important for the knowledge-base of seduction dynamics to know sexual attraction can be spiked with pure verbals, and to know how/why that’s possible.


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@Sun Wukong
“Every date I had in the past (including the first with my ex) that actually lead to sex involved making sure to get kino early and often.”

How many did you purposely try not kino’ing and purposely try building sexual attraction through other means? I’m not saying it doesn’t help or it should be avoided, I’m simply saying that it’s not NECESSARY. Just like peacocking is useful but isn’t NECESSARY. Or demonstrating leadership of men is useful but it isn’t NECESSARY. Kino is just another tool in the box to show that you’re comfortable with women/sex but it’s not NECESSARY if you’re picking up the slack in another part of your game to show the same thing.

My buddy is convinced that girls need to have a drink to have sex. And for the most part it’s a good idea to let them have a few sips of a drink so they can have plausible deniability for their hamster…I asked him how many girls he tried confidently escalating (assuming success) on without either of them drinking and he looked at me like I was crazy for suggesting he risk not getting the lay. But I’ve had plenty of sober sex, no drinks involved…because I purposely pushed things to see if the booze was necessary.

You may have gone on dates where you didn’t kino, but were you also making up for that sexual escalation through other channels or were you simply lacking a demonstration of what kino’ing demonstrates to her?

“Anyway, kino early and without permission is always a good test and escalation if done right”
“Escalating purely off of verbals seems to require a lot more calibration and experience, even though I feel like I’m really great at talking to people.”

Right, this is my point. Scray’s initial comment was “it’s true that running verbal routines and making people laugh (stereotypical PUA stuff) won’t do it.” and I take issue with the black & white of that because, again, for the knoweldge-base of how seduction/social dynamics works, it’s important to understand why kino isn’t necessary. It’s a great thing to do, it demonstrates a lot of things quickly that you would have to demonstrate through other channels if you don’t use it, but it’s important to understand that it isn’t necessary…kino is just another tool in the box to DHV.

And again, it’s not just talking, it’s talking with specific intent, making sexual innuendo, pushing her boundaries with sexual convo and calibrating as you do, demonstrating your attitudes toward sex, etc etc through your verbals. Not just making small talk about the weather or making them laugh about a funny story about this one time you were drunk and–


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So much cringe on so many levels lol:


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@Sentient
“I’m not a GLL booster, he has some good stuff and seems like an honest dealer, humble and with good intentions.”

I’m sure he’s a super nice dude I would love to grab a beer and hit on girls with. But I don’t care about that, all I care about is “is what he’s showing guys going to help them or slow their progress (or hinder them)?” Like I told ETA I’d love to see some good GLL vids, whatever his fans think are the cream of the crop that show versatility in his skillset and social competence etc. Just like I’m looking at Krauser’s product right now which is significantly better than his shitty vids that have been floating around YouTube for years.

“So again disclaimer – not an exemplar of “teh best game””

Like I said, my only issue was that you posted it as an example of good game when it’s just a good example of one aspect of game followed by really shitty game lol

“I’ll say having watched most all of the RSD vids Ya’s posted forever, one thing that I’ve noticed that they do not spend a lot of time discussing (again in these free videos, perhaps they do on paid stuff) is kino. Yet in every single interaction they are super super physical (and yes yes it is well calibrated and they pressure on and off and keep trying etc.) right from the start, in almost all examples (maybe not some of Todd’s street game stuff).”

“But they don’t spend a lot of time talking about it.”

@Culum Struam
“They don’t talk about it much at all”

“and my theory on RSD not really explaining kino much now in their (free) stuff is perhaps they have just gotten to the point it is a natural part of their game…”

Fuckin guys, HERE YOU GO lol:

Super gay lol:

Skinny little Tim was big on getting physical early too, and here he’s bitching his students out for not trying to close, just “having a chat” (btw scribblerg you might like Tim’s Flawless Natural product, it’s a lot more like you and scray communicate lol you might resonate better with it than the really technical stuff that puts you in your head, check out some clips on YouTube and torrent it (Time doesn’t even work for RSD anymore and Tyler encourages guys to pirate the early products)):

And Julien has a 20 minute video on nothing but opening physically in the Outer Game section of his PIMP product.

And some more posted here:

http://www.rsdnation.com/node/244159

I mean shit, here’s Mystery on it (7:00 in he demo’s a good way of pulling in with kino right away, but really from a minute or two before he does a good demonstration of physcial nuances…also it’s nice to see Mystery back in his prime where you can tell from how he interacts with the girls that he legitimately likes women, none of this angry bitter Manosphere/TRP “fuck these bitches let’s make them pay” shit bubbling under the surface):

This is exactly the shit that drives me nuts. “Oh RSD doesn’t teach that” “ya I didn’t think so” “well if you don’t think so then I know they definitely don’t” “hey if you two guys say they don’t then they must not”. Meanwhile no one actually just types in “rsd physical” or “rsd escalation” into fucking YouTube and watches them go into this shit ALL THE FUCKING TIME lol

Then I gotta read posts on TRP or from ETA about how PUAs are just dancing monkeys that never touch the girl and never get sexual attraction not like GLL who touches their hand and tries to kiss them PUA is bullshit wahhhh!! lol

“is that this kind of aggressive “boyfriend posture” kino is critically important in advancing the attraction and separating you from other guys quickly”

It’s useful as fuck. But not mandatory/necessary. It definitely helps. Really the best kino isn’t even about physically escalating, it’s about building comfort…ie – touch her the EXACT SAME WAY you would touch your girlfriend of 5 years, you wouldn’t be nervous, you wouldn’t hesitate, you would feel entitled, you wouldn’t acknowledge what you’re doing because it was so normalized to you to touch her that way, etc etc From there “what you feel, she feels” comes into play.

“Again important to note the kino is NOT sexual per se, it IS familiar, confident, comfortable and feels natural. That is the key I think, because it comes off as direct female subchannel communication.”

Yup. You are discovering stuff that’s already been known and explained if you look for the information (or ask me where to find it lol). πŸ™‚ You are on the right track though. When you watch RSD infield with the sound off, you’ll see that if you didn’t know it was a pickup most of the time it looks like a boyfriend messing around with his girlfriend grabbing her and picking her up and putting his arm around her naturally etc. Familiarity/comfort from the word hello.

Contrast that to a lot of old pickup stuff (and a lot of old Krauser footage) where guys do that awkward “touching her for the sake of getting my kino in” stuff that looks super unnatural.

“You FEEL to her like someone who is familiar with her, who has handled her before, who has fucked her before.”

Exactly.

“here is a GLL daygame video, where he scoops a nice looking girl out of a Starbucks to his car in a few minutes… Yes the verbal will be horrible”

With the original 15 min pull video my problem wasn’t even with his verbals. They were lame but subcomms are more important than verbals. My issue was with his calibration, especially physically. My issue was that he didn’t back off when the girls put up guarded body language or gave him disinterest, and then try again in a bit when he’s done something (verbal or otherwise) to warm them up. He just kept pawing at them like a horny dog humping a leg. He could have run the whole set in total silence or had the verbal flow of Russell Brand and it wouldn’t matter, it comes down to whether he calibrates to what the girl is communicating to him or not.

THIS footage is much better in comparison. He tests for compliance and adjusts to where she’s at instead of just pawing at her endlessly ignoring what she’s communicating, he builds rapport/comfort, venue changes her, leads, makes her feel like a special snowflake, he goes for the kiss off a high buying temp spike, he finds out logistics, etc etc Like he’s running enough game to make up for the lack of smoothness.

And my argument to ETA and the GLL crowd is that PUA teaches how to do what Chris is doing, but step by step in depth (since half of what he’s doing comes FROM PUA, he didn’t just “come up” with spinning the girl off the hello lol he may have just naturally figured out “make the girl feel special” but PUA gives you the exact step by step tools to build that feeling in her efficiently).

Of course then you’ve got the TRP rah rah crowd that will make sure no guys ever check out PUA stuff where all this shit is explained in-depth:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/49ytb4/i_cant_believe_its_not_alpha/

…where the secret to getting women is to just take up BJJ and boxing, and it’ll permanantly cure you of all your approach anxiety (his words not my exaggeration), make you pass all shit-tests with ease, hold your frame with women etc etc don’t waste your time learning about social calibration or how to build rapport with people or how to disarm friends and lead a girl to isolation and disable ASD/LMR to get the lay, fuck it, just MAN UP BRO!!!! NOW BUY MY ALPHA SHIRT!!!! (again not an exaggeration of his post it’s at the bottom and it’s, I swear to god, a shirt with a giant letter A filled with lions and wolves lololol)

“he did go to law school for a semester, so he isn’t a total retard.”

That reminds me for the career-focused guys who think being a lawyer/doctor/etc is going to just magically get them pussy (I’ve rolled with social circles of those guys as students and in their legit careers), in that other 15 min pull vid GLL drops being a law student to one of the girls and she still isn’t into him because she’s already turned off by his bad calibration at that point. Your externals don’t mean shit if your game skills are weak, except that you might get girls wanting you as a provider, dating you for a month without putting out while they have you drop them off at my place to fuck after your date.

“Look I know you want to LARP as a so called Dark Triad guy… spooky shit and all”

lol this is what I think whenever I see these guys. Some guy on TRP posted an “ask the sociopath” AMA for himself as a sociopath because he’s watched American Psycho too many times or some shit. It was so cringeworthy and everyone in the thread rightly called him out for being a retard lol

@scray
“this chicks digs jerks thing is one of the biggest manosphere misdirects

‘nice guys’ don’t have boundaries they enforce and they also give themselves away cheaply (their time and attention and emotional investment). that’s what losers do.

a ‘jerk’ isn’t going to do these things so sure….a ‘jerk’ is better off than this guy.

because when someone disrespects a nice guy, the ‘nice guy’ will keep it bottled up and go with it.

but a guy who is SUPER polite to everyone he meets and SUPER nice can also have a backbone and a) not waste his time and b) speak up/stand up for himself whenever a boundary is crossed.

everything else roughly equal, the guy who is super nice and polite but who also enforces his boundaries and has self-respect will be the most attractive guy.

honestly, having the BALLS to just WALK AWAY the MOMENT someone steps over a line will work wonders for your life.”

This. I’m quoting your whole post because it’s all gold. No one who meets me thinks I’m a “jerk” or “asshole” (except a girl’s friends because I’m flirting with their friend instead of them lol or with FBs their friends can’t understand why their friend is obsessed with me until they meet me so they call me an asshole when my girls send our txt convos to them saying “omg look what he said now” lol).

It’s about KNOWING YOUR BOUNDARIES, and ENFORCING THEM. And deciding on those boundaries for YOURSELF. Only a guy who knows himself knows his own personal boundaries but a SHITLOAD of guys will let society or other people or their peers dictate their boundaries FOR them. Like the street-raised kid who’s got a chip on his shoulder having to defend his “rep” over some stupid insult that means nothing because he doesn’t want his buddies to think he’s a pussy even though he really DOESN’T want shit to escalate, he just wants to go home safe and sound. But he’s caught up in other people’s frames.

On the flip side, there’s the Blaximus types who will knock the teeth out of every guy who looks at them funny (lol just buggin ya). It’s incongruent for them to NOT enforce their boundaries IF those “don’t look at me funny” boundaries come from personal inherent value systems and not from social conditioning put on them (aka other people’s frames). A lot of time when you hear “where *I* grew up, if you did THIS then you had to respond like THIS” that’s the sign of someone who’s letting other people or his environment dictate his value system. Contrast that with, say, a Ghandi, who no matter what won’t resort to violence even if he’s in that same environment the “where I grew up” guy was in, because Ghandi knows his own personal boundaries.

I will let a TON of stuff slide infield, just the other night I was out with a girl and some old 50+yo dudes in a quiet bar tried to tool me to her. A lot of guys would watch that and go “oh man you should’ve stood up for yourself, you’re a pussy” but that’s their value system. In mine I don’t HAVE to say anything, these are just some old drunk dudes in a bar trying to hit on my beautiful date lol I’m sure their lives are sad enough as it is. I’m younger, smarter, faster, and sharper than them and would obliterate them in a back and forth verbal exchange without even trying (not to mention the girl was paying for me and we were heading to my apartment to fuck after, this is an FB of mine). I’ve gone back and forth with legit AMOGs for years, they’re just jackals nipping at a lion’s tail to me. In my value system and boundaries, I don’t care if guys talk shit and I don’t have to tool these old guys to protect my ego in front of a girl lol And if she called me out on it I would tell her if she wants a guy who’s going to get all riled up by some drunk guys talking smack in a bar she’s welcome to go stand outside the kiddie nightclub at 2am and find herself one and walk away (aka enforcing my boundaries).

The reason everyone cries that chicks dig jerks is because all these nice dudes don’t enforce their boundaries, or have boundaries TO enforce, so the only time we ever see ANY guy enforce a boundary is when it’s a jerk because he doesn’t care about social consequences.

I wrote a big post on boundaries in-depth way back:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871

@Sentient @Culum
“All the same pattern, single girl he isolates.”

Ya, he’s pretty much running Gunwitch Method from way back like 2002 or prior. Basically get into a sexual mindset, find the single lone wolves, be dominant/aggressive physically while being neutral/harmless verbally (pull her in while talking about the weather etc, pulling her in while talking about sex can be too much, not touching her while talking about the weather can be too little…I do the 180 opposite, I talk about sex while not pulling her in…like I say the key isn’t in kino’ing her, it’s in demonstrating sexual comfort with her, if you don’t use kino like GLL does, you have to show the same things kino demonstrates but with other methods like verbally and/or laser eye-contact etc, the end result is the same: building massive sexual attraction because you’ve shown you’re comfortable with sex).

Like I say everything he’s teaching has been taught before in the PUA community. I don’t have a problem with guys repackaging old community shit, like Simple Pickup is basically teaching RSD-lite, as long as it helps guys. But guys could be saving themselves a lot of time by just looking at the old shit where guys first figured this stuff out and documented it. It’s like someone trying to piece together the history of a country through word of mouth from people who’ve read bits and pieces of various history books…why not just read the full collection of history books start to end instead of going this slow route?

“Good ears on the model girl, she started modeling in NYC when she was 17 in an apartment a dude paid for… LOL”

lol this is so common now, with the ease of internet money transfers and online dating sites and shit. That’s why I don’t feel bad making girls drop money on our nights out to spend time with me. 1) it’s investment on their part and 2) I know they have PLENTY of money available to them lol


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@Sentient @Culum @ETA

Julien on subcomms over verbals looks money etc, exercise at 7:00:

Same thing with getting physical and showing sexual intent in your kino.

Like I say GLL’s initial opens in that 15 min vid were fine, it’s everything after that where he dropped the ball because the girl is subcomming that he’s making them uncomfortable and he doesn’t calibrate to it.

Also a good lesson around the 2 minute mark about women living in “temporary truths” (in that moment it’s real and truthful to her, but then her emotions change and now something else is true instead, but in each moment she 100% believes what she thinks/feels and doesn’t register the contradictions etc that stand out to us).


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@redlight
“When I YouTube “rsd polite” I get videos like Julien being the Center of Attention. PLEASE post some videos of the SUPER POLITE PUA approach. THANK YOU!”

Sure:

infield of Jeffy bitching out a student at 5:20 for miscalibrating and runing a girl’s night…6:30 when he tells the student “it’s not fucking funny dude” is a good example of a scolding frame I use infield with AMOGs, just holding eye-contact and staying calm but very assertive/sure of myself in what I’m saying, like if they’re picking on a dude I’ll do this to them and say stuff like “that’s not cool. This isn’t high school man, you going to give him a wedgie and take his lunch money next? You’re better than that. That’s not cool, you KNOW that’s not cool man.” and speaking to their core instead of the surface level persona they’re putting on:

Jeffy on not being an asshole causing Julien-style drama:

Jeffy on complimenting:

Tyler on looks/congruency and just being cool with other people:

Todd on proper negging (it should be fun, not an insult):

You don’t have to be an asshole to get girls. You just need to be congruent and enforce your boundaries, and that starts with KNOWING your boundaries (by knowing YOURSELF) and feeling ENTITLED to enforcing your boundaries (instead of caving to social pressure).

As for infield of it, you’ll have to go through the hours and hours of it to look for the polite value-giving interactions yourself.πŸ˜›

Here’s a start, picking up a girl who’s with her mom (and making her chase HIM instead of the other way around, he even rejects her number and she gets mad at her mom for not letting her stay with Tyler etc), everything is positive and cool and value-giving, no asshole drama “dark triad” stuff:

Or, you know, go out and try it a bunch. When you’re getting laid and happy with your results, try being a gentleman type and see what happens. It’s about your subcomms and congruency and personal value system/boundaries, not about the actual things that you’re saying. That’s why we tell newbies don’t buy girls a drink or compliment them, because newbies are coming from BAD SUBCOMMS and coming from the wrong place of value-taking when they do that, they’re doing it as an exchange expecting to take value for it…but once those guys get their subcomms down and are on the right track to being advanced, they can drop in some compliments or buy a drink and it doesn’t matter because they’re doing it with good subcomms from a place of value-giving.


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@redlight
Hell MOST of Todd’s infield is all polite gentlemanly shit:

He opens with a compliment and goes from there being generally polite but knowing when to push things etc. No dark triad chicks dig jerks asshole Julien drama here.

This shit is all just sitting there on YouTube for anyone to find lol


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@redlight
Max too, most of his style is just going in with a positive good energy, complimenting the girls, etc, no crazy Julien drama:

Thanks for giving me a reason to link these again lol


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@Sun Wukong
lol that’s a sign that your subcomms are on track. Part of why Julien says such outrageous shit is that his subcomms are rock solid so he can do it in a way that people aren’t offended…

@redlight
…same with Russell Brand he can say outrageous things (although if you listen to what Russell says it’s almost NEVER negative, he’s ALWAYS spreading good value to people, compliments, very polite, very gentlemanly etc):

Notice how he has AMPLE opportunity to insult them or AMOG the other guy in a negative way, but he doesn’t, he actively chooses to build everyone’s value up along with him and he takes over their show. He even gives the dude his full attention answering his question (after being distracted by the staff behind him at first in a casual/natural AMOG dismissal). The other girl even fucks up his name calling him Willie Brent, and the blonde chick doesn’t know who he is at the start of the show (this dude is pretty fucking accomplished)…like full disrespect. He’d have every right to go apeshit on them, but he doesn’t, he just charismatically rolls along in a playful fun manner and then makes the blonde’s head explode frying her circuits with a final tease (after a minor neg about her manners).

You don’t have to be a jerk to be alpha or get attraction. You just have to be congruent. You don’t even have to be high-energy to be a polite value-giving dude, Todd is pretty low energy and someone like James Marshall shows how low you can take your energy level:

Again, all gentlemanly stuff. You can get good attraction spikes by teasing girls hard, but you don’t have to do it in a “jerk” way.

What matters is your congruency and subcomms (having personal boundaries etc) and where you’re coming from (value-taking VS value-giving).


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@IAS
“I wouldn’t say he is ugly at all.”

He looks GREAT in his 30s (the crazy beard now is ridiculous but without it he looks good, dude lives healthy as fuck, no booze no drugs no garbage food, tons of vitamins/supplements and healthy raw food, hits the gym regularly etc).

But he spent most of his pickup career looking like this:

With a big ol’ bald spot on the back of his head, pale pasty skin, a body that varies from skinny gay guy to fatass depending on the year, and he’s 5’7″ so full manlet give up on life territory (plus for some reason people hate on gingers lol). The nasally voice and weird mannerisms etc don’t help either. He didn’t really get his style down and handle a lot of his weird mannerisms until the past few years.

Guys will be like “well he should’ve handled his style/looks back THEN!” and it’s like the dude was out there tearing it up left and right with girls he shouldn’t have been able to get looking like that. But it makes people so uncomfortable to think about a guy breaking the rules and getting hot girls without looking like they think you’re supposed to look that they’ll ignore the 15+ years of girls he’s macked and discount it all just to focus on “well he SHOULD’VE looked better!!!!” “Why?” “Well, he would’ve gotten laid more!!” “He was already out pulling girls multiple times a week, how much more would have have gotten laid?” “Well—WELL HE JUST SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO LOOK BETTER!!”

It’s so funny to me how it hits some sensitive nerve in guys…I think it’s that thing of like “I’m putting in all this effort into my looks and style and I’m barely getting laid, meanwhile this asshole gives no fucks and is running around tearing shit up, *I* should be the one tearing it up not HIM!!! Only a guy who looks good like I’m trying to achieve deserves to tear it up, if he looked like Henry Cavill then ok I could accept that, but this guy looks like a CLOWN and he’s not even TRYING, that’s not FAIR!!” So we want him to either NOT go tear it up, which he won’t, or we want him to look BETTER so that we can rationalize “ok he’s tearing it up, but he looks like a guy I expect to be able to tear it up, so I’m okay with that and I don’t have to acknolwedge that I’m not putting in the effor that he put in to get my skills to where his are and ultimately realize that I’m a lazy piece of shit who’s putting up barriers and avoiding doing hard work by trying to find side-tangent loopholes I can focus on so I don’t have to go pound the pavement multiple nights a week pushing myself out of my comfort zone like Tyler did”.

The funniest part to me is that girls will legitimately think he’s hot in person when he’s up in their face spiking their buying temperature. On Tinder, the guy in those photos up there isn’t getting Swiped Right lol But in PERSON where he can project his vibe/energy/intent and run his game, girls will legitimately be attracted to him. Even me, I’m a VERY average looking guy who should probably lose like 20 lbs. But if you MET me, in person, you would at FIRST think “wtf was this guy talking about, he’s a good-looking guy, he’s like an 8” But that would be because of the vibe I’m projecting as we interact. If I just stood in front of you and looked at the wall beside you and you really took an objective look at me and my face and flaws and my double-chin and acne scars and my old ragged clothes and my shirtless body with my hairy back and beer belly and moobs and grey starting to appear in my bad haircut (I let it grow out too much to save $ on getting cuts so it gets pretty bad by the end of it lol) etc you’d be like “this guy is like a 6”. I would get torn apart posting my pic on like the MISC bodybuilding forums for critique.

But I have girls in-field calling me a 10 with no hesitation like it’s obvious, and my FBs fawn over how hot I am to them because to them the vibe I’m projecting is the vibe of a 10 when I interact with them. They’ll instinctively ignore/rationalize all of my flaws and focus/exaggerate all of my features to rationalize the attraction they feel (because attraction is not a choice, so they HAVE to find ways to rationalize it). Just like they do with Tyler.

But like, if you posted this guy at 32 seconds into this video on MISC or a chick forum or Tinder or AskMen forums etc and said “is this a good-looking guy? Is this what men should aspire to look like?”:

No one would say “ya that’s a hot guy, I would totally swipe right on him, I want THAT body, I wanna have THAT guy’s hair” lol

The thing that really drilled it home for me was when I learned to use laser eye-contact well. When you get a handle on that, you realize that when the girl is looking you in the eyes like that, ALL SHE’S SEEING are your eyes and your vibe coming from them. She’s not seeing your belly or your shoes or your bald spot or your watch or anything…her RAS is fully focused on the emotions you’re making her feel in that moment and her eyes are locked on yours.

That’s why the guys who are the most looks obsessed are often the most boring guys…the guys who are like trust me bro girls compliment my watch and my shoes. The reason they even NOTICE those things are because you are boring and not taking over her RAS the way you should be.

Now if you wanna run passive game and just stand around taking whatever girl approaches you (which will usually be in the 6/10 range) or do online game for the shitty quality of girls online, sure, focus on your looks. Put a ton of effort into them, blow all your money on a nice watch etc. Those things will help you in those situations.

But if you want to actually do pickup, which is pro-active, focus on your game and put in your field time regardless of how you look. Do your Field Reports so when you fuck up you can find out if it’s your game instead of assuming “it must be because I’m not good-looking enough”.

@scray
“The Nice Guy constantly gives gives gives attention and is miserable. The women with Billy Bad Boy are often attention whores themselves and are miserable”

Also the over the top gay niceness of the Nice Guy makes Billy LOOK bad when he’s probably NOT, just out of contrast to the Nice Guy. Had this situ recently, dude was dating a girl I’m now fucking and the guy was smothering her so hard and being such an emo homo acting jealous and hurt and crying about it etc etc that I didn’t even have to DO anything except just NOT be a Nice Guy chode and the guy blew himself out. That guy will think I’m a jerk, and compared to him I AM a jerk…but like, I haven’t actually DONE anything jerk-ish. It’s just that in contrast to him I come off as this super Bad Boy to her lol

“So the key here is that many guys become ‘jerks’ who are STILL pussies. they will talk tough and be negative and whatever else but still fail to enforce boundaries.”

This. That’s why I don’t sweat other guys. A lot of guys put on a good paper tiger show, tough and badass alpha on the outside, but their internal frame is weak as fuck and they have no boundaries and no ability to enforce them and stick to it. I’ve met VERY few guys who are legit badass internally, but I’ve met a TON of guys who THINK they are just because no one has challenged them on their boundaries except other paper tiger guys with weak frames and girls. So they’ll respond to me “trust me bro this guy stepped up to me and I was a badass” and it’s like ya, I’m sure you were, and I’m also sure that guy had a weak frame interally because 99% of guys do. But I’ll let you tell the story to feel like a boss because I know that, just like people can’t comprehend Tyler having girls think he’s hot, tough guys can’t comprehend a guy like me understanding anything about “men” or having a strong frame in my pansy little body and they haven’t been out enough to get the psychological nuances that go on and how they themselves react to them just like everyone else (cuz then they wouldn’t be special tough-guy snowflakes lol).

“but we’ve all seen the video of Tom Cruise getting sprayed with the water. Like, he’s being SUPER NICE there lol and he’s still VERY MUCH ENFORCING his boundaries.”

That’s another great example right there. Most guys would go “man I would’ve uppercutted that guy’s teeth out the back of his head for that disrespect grrr!!!” But Tom handled that like a boss. No one sees Tom scold that guy like a child and goes “that guy’s a pussy” lol

“this is how the LONE guy I know who is BOTH super good looking AND has good game acts”

What?? You only know ONE guy who’s super good-looking and has good game?? IMPOSSIBLE BRO. Everyone has told me that these guys are EVERYWHERE in-field. Bars are FULL of them. Even the guys who tell me about these guys ARE them. EVERY SUPER GOOD-LOOKING GUY HAS 10/10 ALPHA GAME BRO, JUST READ THE TRP FORUMS!!

“He is probably the most polite dude I have ever met. And a high number of what I guess we’d call ‘natural alpha’ guys act this way too….”

Yup. Best Natural I’ve known was like that. He had lines you don’t cross and he would enforce them if you did, but overall he was the guy everyone wanted to be friends with because he wasn’t an asshole.

“If anyone remembers ‘Neighbors,’ there’s this scene where the most nerdy, picked on pledge storms off and the leader of the frat goes after him and you think he’s going to really wail on him or w/e and instead he’s like ‘dude are you ok? you’re usually like the best pledge out there, what’s up man, what’s going on?’

I remember thinking ‘EXACTLY RIGHT.’”

Lol good scene and ya that’s how it is. Like 21 Jump Street:

A high-value guy doesn’t have to take other people down. He brings them up to his level. He WANTS other guys to become awesome and reach their potential like he has. It’s like how a lot of negative people think everyone who’s rich is evil and underhanded and selfish, when in reality a lot of them would LOVE to help those guys out but they know those guys won’t accept their help or elevate themselves to their level if given the opportunity, or they would already be on the way to doing that.

“like it’s really funny how high value dudes will tease one another but most of the time, when someone reveals that it actually gets to them, they’ll turn around and be like ‘oh dude i had no idea, are you okay man? ha good to know, just kidding around’ and then theyll just find something else to tool you or someone else about lol”

Yup. The Natural I mentioned would tease other guys in the group, but NEVER about something that would seriously get to them, and he would stand up for the little guys if teasing got out of hand and he could see they were taking it too hard etc He’d tell stories about the less cool guys in the group that made those guys sound cooler to try to make them feel like they deserve to be in the group etc. Just tons of value-giving to the people around him even when they were objectively “losers” compared to him. He didn’t judge them by how “cool” they were to others, he judged them by whether they were good/quality dudes by HIS standards, because he knows himself and what his standards/boundaries are.

“maybe my experience is atypical but through this process I’ve been more struck at how kind and cool men and women can be and become more positive, not less.”

Nope, it’s very typical…for guys who go out and actually make a lot of friends and hang out with these people and learn to see things from other people’s perspective and build rapport with them etc.

One of the biggest mindfucks to me was I had this alpha guy in my circle who would give me endless shit about getting laid and I thought he was the biggest asshole in the world, it was bugging me because I was still new to the game and faking it without making it yet so I was still insecure about getting laid compared to other guys. But over time hanging around him and watching him interact with the other guys, I realized that the reason he was picking on me was that he legitimately thought I was “one of them” and getting laid my whole life like they did, so he had no idea he was actually picking on an insecure spot in me. I was congruent enough and had enough of a poker face that he thought I was handling it no problem the way the other guys who weren’t insecure about it did. That was a big wake-up call for me to step into my new behaviors/etc and embrace them…like everyone ELSE was seeing me as this alpha dude, so wtf am I doing doubting myself so much and hesitating to just embrace that role? He was treating me like an equal when I was interpreting it as him bullying me.

This is why I roll my eyes at all the negativity in the Manosphere and TRP. It’s like man, most people out there are inherently pretty good people. Ya there are shit-heads, but you just feel a little pity for them and hope that someday they come out of their negative world to join the rest of you in the positive one, and you move on. Even a lot of shitty people are just misunderstood or, when you get deep rapport with them and learn what makes them tick, are often just victims of their own upbringing or social conditioning and have layers of shittiness overtop of good qualities that they don’t know how to bring out anymore.

“like it’s funny to laugh at the fact he stops banging a chick with a model-tier face because she has ‘man hands’ but most guys IRL couldn’t do that. they’d be like ‘oh well in relationships you need to compromise and i need to accept blah blah blah’”

lol I’ve had similar conversations with girls that make me SOUND like a bad boy to them (“what? You stopped calling her because she didn’t show up all dolled up for you?? A girl can’t look pretty ALL THE TIME!!” “she doesn’t have to look pretty all the time, just when she’s with me” “but that’s so shallow!!” “I can’t help what my dick likes…I’m not saying you HAVE to doll yourself up, I’m just saying what my dick likes. If that’s not important to you, that’s totally fine I’m sure there are guys out there that will love you wearing your frumpy comfies with no makeup on.” “omg you’re such a jerk”). But really I just have boundaries that I enforce, and the abundance mentality to walk away, so I’m not afraid to walk out of a situation where the girl isn’t providing what I want. I’m not a controlling asshole, I’m just letting her know “this is what I like and if you don’t provide that then I can’t guarantee I’ll want to keep calling you”.

But as silly and absurd as that is, and polite as it is (I’m not like “ugh, you look like shit, go change” like the badass James Bond wannabe chicks dig jerks guys would say to do), that stuff paints me as a bad boy to them compared to the Nice Guy who’s txting them saying “oh he’s a jerk, you’re beautiful no matter what!!” And pretty much every time they show up dolled up for me the next time, and they fake-pout and say “THERE. Are you HAPPY now??” and I say “Yes. :)” and reward them for being good. Down the road a number of them have admitted that they hated it at first but now they LIKE dressing up for me and worrying about whether I’ll like their outfit etc. Because they’re attracted to me for having and enforcing boundaries and knowing what I want.

Never thought of Seinfeld but that’s a funny example that I can’t really disagree with lol His character is basically a master of doing takeaways, soft nexts, freezeouts, etc lol

@scribblerg
“Huh? You mean you LIVE here in the city?? Oh, so you’ve never really seen the stars, you poor thing…maybe I’ll show you them sometime. So anyway, you were talking about–”

@all
I hold the door for everyone. And I’ll stop posting huge rants about looks and RSD vids when you guys stop dedicating half the comments on every page to Emily.


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“in the realm of like….5-7 girls and social circles etc. being tall, good-looking, low bf, muscles etc. helps A LOT because there are NOT a lot of guys who have those qualities. and like zero percent of them who hang out in those circles are ‘nice.’”

Ya this why I’m very careful to stress that yes, looks WILL get you some free gimme iois here and there, and as long as no one interferes (and/or the woman takes the lead), you’ll get laid off them…and some environments like Tinder are built for looks screening.

But I’m also very careful to drop reality-bombs that most of the girls who open you to compliment your muscles are going to be aggressive 6s. Because the 9 is SURROUNDED by guys that already look like you or better, because those are the social circles she runs in. She’s not going to leave her group of guys who look like you to compliment your muscles unless you’re DHV’ing in some other way on top of it.

This is why a lot of good-looking guys come to PUA frustrated, because they’re not getting totally ignored, some of them may even be getting laid, but they’re not getting laid by the girls they WANT, and that eats away at them after a while because they still feel inept and incompetent when they see the girl that they legitimately do a double-take on and don’t know how to get her.

A lot of pickup is about giving guys competence and self-reliance/trust and control over their environment, not just about getting your dick wet.

Jack in Fight Club didn’t have a “bad life”. He had the IKEA apartment, the stable job, a closet full of clothes etc, but he wasn’t FREE and he wasn’t CAPABLE. We want guys to feel like Tyler Durden:

That’s not about having the most money or looks (even when he mentions “look like you want to look” it’s more about his fashion expressing himself VS the corporate grey suit drone look Jack is trapped in), or even how many girls you bang (Tyler bangs damage-case Marla and that’s about it), it’s about being the most true to yourself and the most capable to handle your shit in your environment. No hesitation, no filters, no holding yourself back, and feeling capable and confident to get what you want in life.

“HOWEVER….when you try to go after social circles/groups./sets where like the ‘uggo’ of the group is a 7 and all the dudes are high value, or you’re trying to break in to the VIP scene or whatever, then ya….suddenly all of that external stuff becomes waaaaaaay more common.”

Right. And what do we all know and accept from basic economics? When something is in abundance, its value goes down. That’s why really hot girls don’t care much about looks or money, they’re in social circles with guys that have plenty of that and are still beta chodes internally.

The 6s don’t hang out with guys like that, so they still believe the myths the same way most AFC guys think good-looking guys all have amazing game because they don’t actually hang out with those guys and see their flaws and how the vast majority of them (not because they look good but just because men in society today are beaten into the ground by social conditioning) have extremely weak unattractive internals.

That’s why a lot of hot girls end up with Johnny Depp Russell Brand weird artsy dudes…guys who fully express themselves compared to the dudebro trying to pretend to be James Bond. That dudebro would kill it if he could loosen up and express himself, but a lot of times the reason he looks like a dudebro is BECAUSE he’s stifling himself trying to be James Bond.

When everyone around you has money and looks and is pretending to be James Bond while simultaneously supplicating to you, the guy who’s intriguing is the guy who seems to have a stronger internal confidence than the other guys with no visible reason to HAVE that confidence and who’s fully unstifled and expressing and amusing himself without holding back worrying about what any of that group, including the girl, think.

But this is a huge mindfuck for guys who aren’t actively befriending these guys and approaching these girls in these sets, to accept. That’s why we push them into the field and force them to push their comfort zones, to learn it first-hand.

@SJF
“The mythical “7 hours” of old school mystery method. This was a median 7 hours depending on circumstances and skill level.”

The 7 hours was for making a girl fall in love with you and chase the fuck out of you and view you as the most amazing thing ever and want to be your girlfriend. You can get laid way easier than that, but Mystery’s goal was to get the girl to the point where she would literally CRY if he walked away without taking her number because she felt like she was losing the chance to date a rock star.

His goal wasn’t like, to bang her in the parking lot and she gets Buyer’s Remorse and doesn’t return his txts afterward etc. Not that you can’t do that, but Mystery was looking at creating relationships more than just fucking her…that’s why a lot of the stuff in the book/method seems excessive, because guys (including myself) are like “I dunno, I don’t NEED to ask about her hopes and dreams, I can fuck them a lot faster than that”. Then we get flaked on, or have to still chase the girl around, or she sees other guys at the same time and we have to compete, or she acts out and we have to freeze her out, etc etc and we go back to MM and realize “oh, I get it, it’s because I left a lot of this shit out” lol

And again he was shooting for the really hot high-value girls, a 7/10 isn’t going to need as much work as a 9/10 etc etc

That all said, sometimes you just want the fast fuck and can throw a lot of stuff out the window and strip it all down to DHV enough for her to show interest, qualify her on something other than her looks so you can show interest back making her feel like she’s special to you, have absolute minimal comfort (like just knowing the same people as her or having trustworthy eye-contact) and escalate lol (which is what GLL is basically doing in that 15 min video, but massively uncalibrated and with shitty qualification on her looks instead of something else)


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@scribblerg
I hate Todd’s voice infield but this has some good stuff to note. When she says “I’m not available” and tries to dissuade him, that’s where GLL in that 15 minute video would just “Next” her and move on, or try to grab her hand and tell her she has soft skin and try to make out with her and have her run away.

But Todd has calibration, so he smoothly takes the frame back saying they should take it slow and disarms her objections. In the end Todd takes the girl he chooses home despite her objections, with just a little bit of calibration to where she’s at and what she’s thinking and what she needs to disarm her.

Like he says: “Whenever you’re escalating that’s a good time for a disqualifier, because if you’re escalating a lot and you’re very forward about it, that tends to look needy. With a disqualifier you keep your value as you escalate” which is my issue with GLL’s “dog humping her leg” approach. Even when you DO go for instant makeouts and stuff it’s useful to drop “we shouldn’t be doing this” or “I’m not into you at all” or “you and I would never get along” etc in there to avoid her just making out with you and running off to go find her friends because she’s getting minor ASD kicking in.

And then he qualifiers her a bunch on how she has to be fun/interesting to keep his interest (VS just “ur pretty, ur skin is soft”).

And note how at 14:25, the GIRL suggests the extraction. “How much better is that than if I’m trying to push for it and she’s objecting, how nice is this going to go? Because she’s a participant in the pull, I won’t have to work to keep it good or keep her Buying Temp up, I can just sit back and be normal because she’s investing with me”

Now do you NEED the girl to chase you? No. You CAN just go spam approach and get laid. And like I say it’s GOOD to spend a few months out there escalating to a makeout off every ioi you get in every set just to learn how to escalate. But the ideal is to eventually develop a frame where girls are chasing you, not based on your looks or money or sugardaddy-ness etc but just wanting to be with YOU because you are a guy with value even if you’re a skinny little 5’7″ manlet with an effeminate voice like Todd.

Also notice the lack of kino. It doesn’t mean he CAN’T kino, but he’s calibrating that she has standoffish body language and will categorize him as a dog humping his leg if he gets too gropey, so he just fully doesn’t kino and focuses on demonstrating that he’s not afraid to escalate in OTHER ways, like pushing the interaction forward, joking about sex, etc. This girl knows when she goes for food with him that he’s going to take the interaction toward fucking her, because he’s demonstrated that in other ways besides kino.

Again if you don’t kino and DON’T show some kind of “forward intent”, you’re the asexual friend zone guy. I don’t kino but I show MASSIVE forward intent (way more than Todd) with the things I say and my laser eye-contact etc.

“Note the last minute or two when Todd is talking direct into the camera, it’s like he got back in the space he was in during the set and his posture and entire demeanor reeks of power and value, yet is cool and calm”

The funny part of RSD vids to me is you can tell when they’re filming them right after bootcamp. You can see they’re still “in state”…they’re a little more intense (but a calm intensity/assuredness), and a lot of what they say doesn’t even make sense or is just random shit that their brain thinks is genius in the moment and then they realize “oh wait, I should probably logically explain what I’m talking about” lol

This is my favorite one lol you can tell his brain is just completely in the moment saying whatever it thinks is funny/awesome in the moment, and his eye-contact is locked onto the camera and he’s projecting a solid frame through his eyes, tonality, etc:

And you can see how he has to pro-actively try to shift his brain into logical explanation mode for the sake of explaining a concept lol

Another one where you can tell he’s just come off bootcamp and his brain is in that present mode and he’s been holding his frame with women all night etc, all his sub-comms are rock solid:

Another one, again steady eye-contact, brain is in the moment, and the interesting part is around 9:15 when he wants to get rid of this guy yapping to him and hears Jeffy getting riled up behind him…he just walks away no hesitation no “excuse me”, just “this is the thing that needs to be done right now, so I’m going to do it” and he goes over to get Jeffy and brushes off the guy Jeffy’s talking to, then makes Brad join the video all with breaking tonality/commanding like “what I want to happen is GOING to happen”, and all 3 of them are feeling confident and in state at the end looking at the camera (’cause they’ve just come off a long bootcamp). Their subcomms are way more confident than they should be and look at their internal thought-loops going on “we’re the coolest men ever” and “it’s hard to be us…but it’s harder NOT to be us” etc That’s the vibe they’re approaching girls infield with:

Jeffy’s subcomms while on bootcamp, again watch his eye-contact and self-assuredness/intensity/expressiveness. He fully believes that everything he says is the most important thing that’s ever been said:

How Jeffy is here is how my buddy and I talk to eachother infield when we have shit to discuss and our conversations will literally draw IOIs and pAImAI even if we’re completely ignoring the girls around us, because girls are curious what we’re so intense about compared to the guys hurr durring around looking for value to leech and staring at girls and talking to eachother while looking around the room.

Julien has a good one here, at 1:50 (cameo of Owen with glasses making out with a girl behind him lol):

Nothing around Julien interrupts his frame. Everything that happens he just rolls with it, confident eye-contact in the camera etc.

Again watch his eye-contact/intensity without being angry or big and jacked or anything, it’s just a very strong frame, no self-doubt, no hesitation, just expressing the thing he wants to express:

Contrast that with him trying to fake intensity, he’s got super intense mannerisms and physicality (note that in the ACTUAL in-state vids he doesn’t have crazy wild mannerisms, his eyes project all the intensity), and it all comes off as paper tiger fake intensity, he doesn’t seem grounded/solid at all…small dog with a loud bark vibe:

And compare all of that to Julien’s first attempts at videos (he does this take over and over a million times):

Here Tyler puts him on cam and he’s super uncomfortable, and the infield they show he’s fully hesitating/self-doubting etc:

Also bonus for the guy who said Julien is hot: here’s Julien with full 10/10 super sexy Dad Bod lol, skip past his apology at the beginning and jump to 1:45 for the lols:

That’s the guy doing this:


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Skip to 21:30 in that Imperfect Perfection Pipe Dream vid for the part where Julien tries recording his first-ever video and is massively self-conscious and hesitant and self-doubting etc (weak frame, this is how a LOT of guys, even good looking guys, are in-field around hot girls, and why they’re easy to steamroll over when you have the frame in the other videos where the guys are grounded solid and self-assured).

Also all of those vids are good content, I recommend actually watching them instead of just skipping to the parts I point stuff out at lol

@SJF
“Tyler most certainly could have banged better, but he was the narrators alter ego–the narrator with no hesitation, filters or holding himself back and having real power.”

Right. My point is that we don’t look at Tyler and go “aww ya he banged gross dirty Marla” and judge how “awesome” he is based on the pussy he’s getting which is what guys first getting into pickup judge guys by…Tyler comes off high-value in the movie because of his overall vibe (no hesitation, no filters, no holding himself back, etc). We know he COULD get hot girls, because of the high-value he projects through all these other channels.

We want guys to feel like THAT…not to just “get laid” or just rack up notches on their belt. We want them to feel overall fully confident and capable in life, it just happens that forcing yourself out of your comfort zone into scary social situations and staring down hot girls and trying to fuck them and interact with other alpha dudes and shit is a REALLY fast and fun way to get to that stage (VS just getting really good at like, mountain climbing, but then being nervous in social situations because the skill doesn’t translate…

Whereas the things you gain from doing pickup will wash into the rest of your life in areas and ways you don’t expect, like scribblerg realizing he doesn’t panic about business situations anymore, because he’s a few steps closer to being that calm capable Tyler Durden version of himself).


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“Indeed, I hate Todd’s voice and on some level, I can’t believe what he does works”

That’s kind of the point though. That you don’t need to look and sound and dress like James Bond to do this stuff. What we’re doing is hitting attraction triggers. If a table lamp could hit those triggers a girl would be attracted to that table lamp lol Like if a girl could shit-test a lamp and that lamp could respond with cocky/funny agree/amplify she would find herself drawn to that lamp. That’s why girls fall in love with characters in movies and books and shit, those guys don’t even EXIST except in her mind (in the case of books) but 50 Shades still sits on their nightstand for when they’re horny. “Attraction is not a choice” and all that.

Girls like Emily will yap about how her and her girlfriends lol at the guy when they’re looking at it in a logical headspace (using their forebrain/logic), but in the moment if they were testing him and he was passing their tests (speaking to their hindbrain/emotions) they would come to like him and possibly be attracted to him (and hating that they’re attracted) because everything they throw at him falls flat and he always has a better answer than them. Even if from the outside it looks robotic.

A good example of how much it doesn’t matter what it looks like to watch, what matters is how the girl he’s speaking to feels in the moment, is Mystery turning this girl around:

Again another girl that GLL in that 15 min video would walk away from. At first she’s hassling him testing him like crazy, and half of what he does comes off robotic and doesn’t make logical sense jumping around in the conversation etc etc but he’s purposely hitting specific triggers that she instinctively responds to and by the end she’s a purring kitten for him. Pay attention to the little shit like when her friend comes in to mother hen and he takes his attention away from the first girl to focus on befriending the friend and how that makes the first girl react etc. “Attraction is not a choice”

Does this stuff work every time? No, Emily might lol at Todd and Mystery will get shot down by girls. All we’re doing is approaching it like poker, increasing the odds by understanding the dynamics of the game and taking right action to get the highest possible % of success we can with what we’re dealt.

“One thing about that pull is that she’s like late 30s or something, it’s late night at a club, she’s alone so the logistics are really optimal and she’s also clearly not the prize in his mind”

Right, this goes back to Tyler’s video about a “Gangster Exercise For Entitlement”…if you can treat a 10 the way you treat a 4, she’ll respond in the exact same way. But 99.999% of guys can’t treat a 10 the way they’d treat a 4 because they view the 10 as higher value. Todd KNOWS this girl’s life will be enhanced by spending time with him, he KNOWS he’s handing her a million dollar bill, and it comes through in his subcomms and she instinctively picks up on those. Most guys don’t believe what they’re offering is worth anything to anyone, especially to girls and especially to hotter girls.

“Also notice how he stands to the side and doesn’t even face her until she gives IOIs and then later when he brings up the food he lets her come to him and doesnt agree immediately.”

Ya this is classic Mystery Method. She hasn’t EARNED his full attention until she’s giving IOIs, then it’s a REWARD. And he makes her invest in the interaction by CHOOSING to go with him etc. These little things are the difference between the girl feeling like she’s winning a prize or feeling like you’ll fuck anything that shows interest in you (and she still might fuck you then, but it’s a very different dynamic).

“I’ve been thinking of this lately as also giving the woman space to express her desire. When I’m all pushing it crowds the woman out, his example here is so telling. She even puts out there what will happen after the food, without him prompting her.”

Here’s Todd literally explaining what you’re thinking in-depth for you, this should connect some dots:


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@scray @forge @sentient @seraph
“you CAN be a jerk/destructive/reactive and whatever and STILL get laid and get women, but it’s not BECAUSE of those traits. first and foremost you have to STOP BEING A PUSSY. if you WANT something make moves to get it. ”

It’s not about being an asshole/jerk, it’s about being congruent and going for what you want. You can do that in a positive value-giving way without being an asshole. The problem Nice Guys have is that they aren’t actually congruent, they just think and act like they are…the reality is they WANT the girl but pretend NOT to. You can be a gentleman as long as your thoughts words and actions are all aligned toward wanting and trying to get the girl. That’s why shit like the Apocalypse Opener (basically bombarding her with compliments) work Pepe Le Pew style. It’s very clear that you’re aligned with trying to fuck her, not pretending like you don’t want to and like you’re cool with just being friends etc.

“it’s true that running verbal routines and making people laugh (stereotypical PUA stuff) won’t do it.”

This needs a bit of nuance so lurking newbies don’t get the wrong idea. You can absolutely build attraction just through verbals and making them laugh, but again there has to be that forward intent behind it because this:

“HOWEVER….making BOLD moves and escalating in the right away MOST CERTAINLY CAN create attraction.”

…is true, but also applies to verbals. You can make verbally bold moves and verbally escalate and spark attraction. I VERY rarely kino in my sets, especially on Day2s. But all of my verbals are showing my intent and escalating things and spiking her sexual triggers.

“and just keep holding her hand and caressing it. it is SUPER IMPORTANT that you not even acknowledge the kino AT ALL, like a goddamned boss.”

Ya, one of go-to moves when I do kino is to do the name exchange handshake and then just lower my hand with her hand in mind and not hold it so she can’t pull away, but not toss it away, so it’s her choice to leave it in my hand if she trusts me and tells me I have attraction already.

@Sentient
“In other words the exact GLL “screening” method from the Plan B post…”

GLL ignored when the girls needed him to back off and didn’t have the tools (at least in that video) to smooth it over and then try again, he just kept plowing over and over uncalibrated.

At 7:30 he takes the girl’s hand. Super. Good move. We all approve. At 8:00 she takes her hand back. Does he read the subcomm on that and work some more rapport/comfort with her? No he keeps talking about himself and then goes full sperg at tries to kiss her out of nowhere with “you’re pretty you’re pretty you’re pretty”. This is shitty game.

I haven’t seen Scray game but I can pretty much guarantee that if a girl pulls her hand away when he does his wrist kino move, he doesn’t respond by trying to kiss her, he recalibrates and escalates after she’s more receptive.

Chris’ starts out great in those videos. It’s everything after the start that he sucked at.


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9:50 in that GLL vid, the girl is literally pushing him away trying to escape him as he spergily plows forward completely oblivious to her social cues. That’s shitty calibration. Hey scray when if you try your check out her watch move and she yanks her hand away and tries to run away, do you chase her down grabbing at her wrist?

Meanwhile watch Julien at 7:35:

He lightly holds her hand up there to test if she’ll naturally wrap it around his neck (compliance/trust/attraction) without acknowledging it and when she doesn’t he lets go and lets her take her hand away. Does he just grab her face and try to make out with her now? No, he backs off the kino entirely, calibrates, devalidates her by telling her to go away (causing her to naturally chase him a bit by not leaving). Then he goes in for another kino test, but at 8:18 she pulls away and he LETS HER. Because he’s not a sperg-lord. He backs off again and then spikes her temp more etc etc

Check the next one in the playlist (all of them really) for more of him doing all these little calibrations based on the girl’s responses to him pushing her boundaries and testing her compliance.

This is what calibration looks like. NO ONE IS SAYING GLL’S OPEN IS SHITTY. What GLL is doing is a great open followed by complete social retardation throwing away girls that would’ve been DTF if he didn’t sperg the interaction. That’s the part we’re shitting on, that he’s throwing away done deals because the game he’s showing off in that video is weak.


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Right, but we can isolate things to just “verbals” by looking at online game where you’re building sexual attraction just through “verbals” without them being able to see how you walk or feel how you touch etc.

I only make this a point because we know from field experience that pure verbals can build sexual attraciton…the most blatant example is that a LOT of my game was done over txt back when I did a lot of online game and when txting wasn’t such a swamp of chodes, and I was spiking sexual attraction all over the place with it. A newbie txting what I was txting would get the same sexual attraction even if his internals were all fucked up and he was a virgin.

This isn’t to say guys shouldn’t be pushing their kino boundaries out there, obviously they should be practicing escalating physically as fast as possible because they can escalate WAY faster than they realize, but just that I don’t like making black & white declarations on these things, for the sake of an accurate knowledge-base…like it’s important for the knowledge-base of seduction dynamics to know sexual attraction can be spiked with pure verbals, and to know how/why that’s possible.


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“Every date I had in the past (including the first with my ex) that actually lead to sex involved making sure to get kino early and often.”

How many did you purposely try not kino’ing and purposely try building sexual attraction through other means? I’m not saying it doesn’t help or it should be avoided, I’m simply saying that it’s not NECESSARY. Just like peacocking is useful but isn’t NECESSARY. Or demonstrating leadership of men is useful but it isn’t NECESSARY. Kino is just another tool in the box to show that you’re comfortable with women/sex but it’s not NECESSARY if you’re picking up the slack in another part of your game to show the same thing.

My buddy is convinced that girls need to have a drink to have sex. And for the most part it’s a good idea to let them have a few sips of a drink so they can have plausible deniability for their hamster…I asked him how many girls he tried confidently escalating (assuming success) on without either of them drinking and he looked at me like I was crazy for suggesting he risk not getting the lay. But I’ve had plenty of sober sex, no drinks involved…because I purposely pushed things to see if the booze was necessary.

You may have gone on dates where you didn’t kino, but were you also making up for that sexual escalation through other channels or were you simply lacking a demonstration of what kino’ing demonstrates to her?

“Anyway, kino early and without permission is always a good test and escalation if done right”
“Escalating purely off of verbals seems to require a lot more calibration and experience, even though I feel like I’m really great at talking to people.”

Right, this is my point. Scray’s initial comment was “it’s true that running verbal routines and making people laugh (stereotypical PUA stuff) won’t do it.” and I take issue with the black & white of that because, again, for the knoweldge-base of how seduction/social dynamics works, it’s important to understand why kino isn’t necessary. It’s a great thing to do, it demonstrates a lot of things quickly that you would have to demonstrate through other channels if you don’t use it, but it’s important to understand that it isn’t necessary…kino is just another tool in the box to DHV.

And again, it’s not just talking, it’s talking with specific intent, making sexual innuendo, pushing her boundaries with sexual convo and calibrating as you do, demonstrating your attitudes toward sex, etc etc through your verbals. Not just making small talk about the weather or making them laugh about a funny story about this one time you were drunk and–


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@Sentient
“I’m not a GLL booster, he has some good stuff and seems like an honest dealer, humble and with good intentions.”

I’m sure he’s a super nice dude I would love to grab a beer and hit on girls with. But I don’t care about that, all I care about is “is what he’s showing guys going to help them or slow their progress (or hinder them)?” Like I told ETA I’d love to see some good GLL vids, whatever his fans think are the cream of the crop that show versatility in his skillset and social competence etc. Just like I’m looking at Krauser’s product right now which is significantly better than his shitty vids that have been floating around YouTube for years.

“So again disclaimer – not an exemplar of “teh best game””

Like I said, my only issue was that you posted it as an example of good game when it’s just a good example of one aspect of game followed by really shitty game lol

“I’ll say having watched most all of the RSD vids Ya’s posted forever, one thing that I’ve noticed that they do not spend a lot of time discussing (again in these free videos, perhaps they do on paid stuff) is kino. Yet in every single interaction they are super super physical (and yes yes it is well calibrated and they pressure on and off and keep trying etc.) right from the start, in almost all examples (maybe not some of Todd’s street game stuff).”

“But they don’t spend a lot of time talking about it.”

@Culum Struam
“They don’t talk about it much at all”

“and my theory on RSD not really explaining kino much now in their (free) stuff is perhaps they have just gotten to the point it is a natural part of their game…”

Fuckin guys, HERE YOU GO lol:

Super gay lol:

Skinny little Tim was big on getting physical early too, and here he’s bitching his students out for not trying to close, just “having a chat” (btw scribblerg you might like Tim’s Flawless Natural product, it’s a lot more like you and scray communicate lol you might resonate better with it than the really technical stuff that puts you in your head, check out some clips on YouTube and torrent it (Time doesn’t even work for RSD anymore and Tyler encourages guys to pirate the early products)):

And Julien has a 20 minute video on nothing but opening physically in the Outer Game section of his PIMP product.

And some more posted here:

http://www.rsdnation.com/node/244159

I mean shit, here’s Mystery on it (7:00 in he demo’s a good way of pulling in with kino right away, but really from a minute or two before he does a good demonstration of physcial nuances…also it’s nice to see Mystery back in his prime where you can tell from how he interacts with the girls that he legitimately likes women, none of this angry bitter Manosphere/TRP “fuck these bitches let’s make them pay” shit bubbling under the surface):

This is exactly the shit that drives me nuts. “Oh RSD doesn’t teach that” “ya I didn’t think so” “well if you don’t think so then I know they definitely don’t” “hey if you two guys say they don’t then they must not”. Meanwhile no one actually just types in “rsd physical” or “rsd escalation” into fucking YouTube and watches them go into this shit ALL THE FUCKING TIME lol

Then I gotta read posts on TRP or from ETA about how PUAs are just dancing monkeys that never touch the girl and never get sexual attraction not like GLL who touches their hand and tries to kiss them PUA is bullshit wahhhh!! lol

“is that this kind of aggressive “boyfriend posture” kino is critically important in advancing the attraction and separating you from other guys quickly”

It’s useful as fuck. But not mandatory/necessary. It definitely helps. Really the best kino isn’t even about physically escalating, it’s about building comfort…ie – touch her the EXACT SAME WAY you would touch your girlfriend of 5 years, you wouldn’t be nervous, you wouldn’t hesitate, you would feel entitled, you wouldn’t acknowledge what you’re doing because it was so normalized to you to touch her that way, etc etc From there “what you feel, she feels” comes into play.

“Again important to note the kino is NOT sexual per se, it IS familiar, confident, comfortable and feels natural. That is the key I think, because it comes off as direct female subchannel communication.”

Yup. You are discovering stuff that’s already been known and explained if you look for the information (or ask me where to find it lol). :) You are on the right track though. When you watch RSD infield with the sound off, you’ll see that if you didn’t know it was a pickup most of the time it looks like a boyfriend messing around with his girlfriend grabbing her and picking her up and putting his arm around her naturally etc. Familiarity/comfort from the word hello.

Contrast that to a lot of old pickup stuff (and a lot of old Krauser footage) where guys do that awkward “touching her for the sake of getting my kino in” stuff that looks super unnatural.

“You FEEL to her like someone who is familiar with her, who has handled her before, who has fucked her before.”

Exactly.

“here is a GLL daygame video, where he scoops a nice looking girl out of a Starbucks to his car in a few minutes… Yes the verbal will be horrible”

With the original 15 min pull video my problem wasn’t even with his verbals. They were lame but subcomms are more important than verbals. My issue was with his calibration, especially physically. My issue was that he didn’t back off when the girls put up guarded body language or gave him disinterest, and then try again in a bit when he’s done something (verbal or otherwise) to warm them up. He just kept pawing at them like a horny dog humping a leg. He could have run the whole set in total silence or had the verbal flow of Russell Brand and it wouldn’t matter, it comes down to whether he calibrates to what the girl is communicating to him or not.

THIS footage is much better in comparison. He tests for compliance and adjusts to where she’s at instead of just pawing at her endlessly ignoring what she’s communicating, he builds rapport/comfort, venue changes her, leads, makes her feel like a special snowflake, he goes for the kiss off a high buying temp spike, he finds out logistics, etc etc Like he’s running enough game to make up for the lack of smoothness.

And my argument to ETA and the GLL crowd is that PUA teaches how to do what Chris is doing, but step by step in depth (since half of what he’s doing comes FROM PUA, he didn’t just “come up” with spinning the girl off the hello lol he may have just naturally figured out “make the girl feel special” but PUA gives you the exact step by step tools to build that feeling in her efficiently).

Of course then you’ve got the TRP rah rah crowd that will make sure no guys ever check out PUA stuff where all this shit is explained in-depth:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/49ytb4/i_cant_believe_its_not_alpha/

…where the secret to getting women is to just take up BJJ and boxing, and it’ll permanantly cure you of all your approach anxiety (his words not my exaggeration), make you pass all shit-tests with ease, hold your frame with women etc etc don’t waste your time learning about social calibration or how to build rapport with people or how to disarm friends and lead a girl to isolation and disable ASD/LMR to get the lay, fuck it, just MAN UP BRO!!!! NOW BUY MY ALPHA SHIRT!!!! (again not an exaggeration of his post it’s at the bottom and it’s, I swear to god, a shirt with a giant letter A filled with lions and wolves lololol)

“he did go to law school for a semester, so he isn’t a total retard.”

That reminds me for the career-focused guys who think being a lawyer/doctor/etc is going to just magically get them pussy (I’ve rolled with social circles of those guys as students and in their legit careers), in that other 15 min pull vid GLL drops being a law student to one of the girls and she still isn’t into him because she’s already turned off by his bad calibration at that point. Your externals don’t mean shit if your game skills are weak, except that you might get girls wanting you as a provider, dating you for a month without putting out while they have you drop them off at my place to fuck after your date.

“Look I know you want to LARP as a so called Dark Triad guy… spooky shit and all”

lol this is what I think whenever I see these guys. Some guy on TRP posted an “ask the sociopath” AMA for himself as a sociopath because he’s watched American Psycho too many times or some shit. It was so cringeworthy and everyone in the thread rightly called him out for being a retard lol

@scray
“this chicks digs jerks thing is one of the biggest manosphere misdirects

‘nice guys’ don’t have boundaries they enforce and they also give themselves away cheaply (their time and attention and emotional investment). that’s what losers do.

a ‘jerk’ isn’t going to do these things so sure….a ‘jerk’ is better off than this guy.

because when someone disrespects a nice guy, the ‘nice guy’ will keep it bottled up and go with it.

but a guy who is SUPER polite to everyone he meets and SUPER nice can also have a backbone and a) not waste his time and b) speak up/stand up for himself whenever a boundary is crossed.

everything else roughly equal, the guy who is super nice and polite but who also enforces his boundaries and has self-respect will be the most attractive guy.

honestly, having the BALLS to just WALK AWAY the MOMENT someone steps over a line will work wonders for your life.”

This. I’m quoting your whole post because it’s all gold. No one who meets me thinks I’m a “jerk” or “asshole” (except a girl’s friends because I’m flirting with their friend instead of them lol or with FBs their friends can’t understand why their friend is obsessed with me until they meet me so they call me an asshole when my girls send our txt convos to them saying “omg look what he said now” lol).

It’s about KNOWING YOUR BOUNDARIES, and ENFORCING THEM. And deciding on those boundaries for YOURSELF. Only a guy who knows himself knows his own personal boundaries but a SHITLOAD of guys will let society or other people or their peers dictate their boundaries FOR them. Like the street-raised kid who’s got a chip on his shoulder having to defend his “rep” over some stupid insult that means nothing because he doesn’t want his buddies to think he’s a pussy even though he really DOESN’T want shit to escalate, he just wants to go home safe and sound. But he’s caught up in other people’s frames.

On the flip side, there’s the Blaximus types who will knock the teeth out of every guy who looks at them funny (lol just buggin ya). It’s incongruent for them to NOT enforce their boundaries IF those “don’t look at me funny” boundaries come from personal inherent value systems and not from social conditioning put on them (aka other people’s frames). A lot of time when you hear “where *I* grew up, if you did THIS then you had to respond like THIS” that’s the sign of someone who’s letting other people or his environment dictate his value system. Contrast that with, say, a Ghandi, who no matter what won’t resort to violence even if he’s in that same environment the “where I grew up” guy was in, because Ghandi knows his own personal boundaries.

I will let a TON of stuff slide infield, just the other night I was out with a girl and some old 50+yo dudes in a quiet bar tried to tool me to her. A lot of guys would watch that and go “oh man you should’ve stood up for yourself, you’re a pussy” but that’s their value system. In mine I don’t HAVE to say anything, these are just some old drunk dudes in a bar trying to hit on my beautiful date lol I’m sure their lives are sad enough as it is. I’m younger, smarter, faster, and sharper than them and would obliterate them in a back and forth verbal exchange without even trying (not to mention the girl was paying for me and we were heading to my apartment to fuck after, this is an FB of mine). I’ve gone back and forth with legit AMOGs for years, they’re just jackals nipping at a lion’s tail to me. In my value system and boundaries, I don’t care if guys talk shit and I don’t have to tool these old guys to protect my ego in front of a girl lol And if she called me out on it I would tell her if she wants a guy who’s going to get all riled up by some drunk guys talking smack in a bar she’s welcome to go stand outside the kiddie nightclub at 2am and find herself one and walk away (aka enforcing my boundaries).

The reason everyone cries that chicks dig jerks is because all these nice dudes don’t enforce their boundaries, or have boundaries TO enforce, so the only time we ever see ANY guy enforce a boundary is when it’s a jerk because he doesn’t care about social consequences.

I wrote a big post on boundaries in-depth way back:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871

@Sentient @Culum
“All the same pattern, single girl he isolates.”

Ya, he’s pretty much running Gunwitch Method from way back like 2002 or prior. Basically get into a sexual mindset, find the single lone wolves, be dominant/aggressive physically while being neutral/harmless verbally (pull her in while talking about the weather etc, pulling her in while talking about sex can be too much, not touching her while talking about the weather can be too little…I do the 180 opposite, I talk about sex while not pulling her in…like I say the key isn’t in kino’ing her, it’s in demonstrating sexual comfort with her, if you don’t use kino like GLL does, you have to show the same things kino demonstrates but with other methods like verbally and/or laser eye-contact etc, the end result is the same: building massive sexual attraction because you’ve shown you’re comfortable with sex).

Like I say everything he’s teaching has been taught before in the PUA community. I don’t have a problem with guys repackaging old community shit, like Simple Pickup is basically teaching RSD-lite, as long as it helps guys. But guys could be saving themselves a lot of time by just looking at the old shit where guys first figured this stuff out and documented it. It’s like someone trying to piece together the history of a country through word of mouth from people who’ve read bits and pieces of various history books…why not just read the full collection of history books start to end instead of going this slow route?

“Good ears on the model girl, she started modeling in NYC when she was 17 in an apartment a dude paid for… LOL”

lol this is so common now, with the ease of internet money transfers and online dating sites and shit. That’s why I don’t feel bad making girls drop money on our nights out to spend time with me. 1) it’s investment on their part and 2) I know they have PLENTY of money available to them lol


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@Sentient @Culum @ETA

Julien on subcomms over verbals looks money etc, exercise at 7:00:

Same thing with getting physical and showing sexual intent in your kino.

Like I say GLL’s initial opens in that 15 min vid were fine, it’s everything after that where he dropped the ball because the girl is subcomming that he’s making them uncomfortable and he doesn’t calibrate to it.

Also a good lesson around the 2 minute mark about women living in “temporary truths” (in that moment it’s real and truthful to her, but then her emotions change and now something else is true instead, but in each moment she 100% believes what she thinks/feels and doesn’t register the contradictions etc that stand out to us).


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@redlight
“When I YouTube “rsd polite” I get videos like Julien being the Center of Attention. PLEASE post some videos of the SUPER POLITE PUA approach. THANK YOU!”

Sure:

infield of Jeffy bitching out a student at 5:20 for miscalibrating and runing a girl’s night…6:30 when he tells the student “it’s not fucking funny dude” is a good example of a scolding frame I use infield with AMOGs, just holding eye-contact and staying calm but very assertive/sure of myself in what I’m saying, like if they’re picking on a dude I’ll do this to them and say stuff like “that’s not cool. This isn’t high school man, you going to give him a wedgie and take his lunch money next? You’re better than that. That’s not cool, you KNOW that’s not cool man.” and speaking to their core instead of the surface level persona they’re putting on:

Jeffy on not being an asshole causing Julien-style drama:

Jeffy on complimenting:

Tyler on looks/congruency and just being cool with other people:

Todd on proper negging (it should be fun, not an insult):

You don’t have to be an asshole to get girls. You just need to be congruent and enforce your boundaries, and that starts with KNOWING your boundaries (by knowing YOURSELF) and feeling ENTITLED to enforcing your boundaries (instead of caving to social pressure).

As for infield of it, you’ll have to go through the hours and hours of it to look for the polite value-giving interactions yourself. :P

Here’s a start, picking up a girl who’s with her mom (and making her chase HIM instead of the other way around, he even rejects her number and she gets mad at her mom for not letting her stay with Tyler etc), everything is positive and cool and value-giving, no asshole drama “dark triad” stuff:

Or, you know, go out and try it a bunch. When you’re getting laid and happy with your results, try being a gentleman type and see what happens. It’s about your subcomms and congruency and personal value system/boundaries, not about the actual things that you’re saying. That’s why we tell newbies don’t buy girls a drink or compliment them, because newbies are coming from BAD SUBCOMMS and coming from the wrong place of value-taking when they do that, they’re doing it as an exchange expecting to take value for it…but once those guys get their subcomms down and are on the right track to being advanced, they can drop in some compliments or buy a drink and it doesn’t matter because they’re doing it with good subcomms from a place of value-giving.


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@redlight
Hell MOST of Todd’s infield is all polite gentlemanly shit:

He opens with a compliment and goes from there being generally polite but knowing when to push things etc. No dark triad chicks dig jerks asshole Julien drama here.

This shit is all just sitting there on YouTube for anyone to find lol


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@redlight
Max too, most of his style is just going in with a positive good energy, complimenting the girls, etc, no crazy Julien drama:

Thanks for giving me a reason to link these again lol


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@Sun Wukong
lol that’s a sign that your subcomms are on track. Part of why Julien says such outrageous shit is that his subcomms are rock solid so he can do it in a way that people aren’t offended…

@redlight
…same with Russell Brand he can say outrageous things (although if you listen to what Russell says it’s almost NEVER negative, he’s ALWAYS spreading good value to people, compliments, very polite, very gentlemanly etc):

Notice how he has AMPLE opportunity to insult them or AMOG the other guy in a negative way, but he doesn’t, he actively chooses to build everyone’s value up along with him and he takes over their show. He even gives the dude his full attention answering his question (after being distracted by the staff behind him at first in a casual/natural AMOG dismissal). The other girl even fucks up his name calling him Willie Brent, and the blonde chick doesn’t know who he is at the start of the show (this dude is pretty fucking accomplished)…like full disrespect. He’d have every right to go apeshit on them, but he doesn’t, he just charismatically rolls along in a playful fun manner and then makes the blonde’s head explode frying her circuits with a final tease (after a minor neg about her manners).

You don’t have to be a jerk to be alpha or get attraction. You just have to be congruent. You don’t even have to be high-energy to be a polite value-giving dude, Todd is pretty low energy and someone like James Marshall shows how low you can take your energy level:

Again, all gentlemanly stuff. You can get good attraction spikes by teasing girls hard, but you don’t have to do it in a “jerk” way.

What matters is your congruency and subcomms (having personal boundaries etc) and where you’re coming from (value-taking VS value-giving).


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@IAS
“I wouldn’t say he is ugly at all.”

He looks GREAT in his 30s (the crazy beard now is ridiculous but without it he looks good, dude lives healthy as fuck, no booze no drugs no garbage food, tons of vitamins/supplements and healthy raw food, hits the gym regularly etc).

But he spent most of his pickup career looking like this:

With a big ol’ bald spot on the back of his head, pale pasty skin, a body that varies from skinny gay guy to fatass depending on the year, and he’s 5’7″ so full manlet give up on life territory (plus for some reason people hate on gingers lol). The nasally voice and weird mannerisms etc don’t help either. He didn’t really get his style down and handle a lot of his weird mannerisms until the past few years.

Guys will be like “well he should’ve handled his style/looks back THEN!” and it’s like the dude was out there tearing it up left and right with girls he shouldn’t have been able to get looking like that. But it makes people so uncomfortable to think about a guy breaking the rules and getting hot girls without looking like they think you’re supposed to look that they’ll ignore the 15+ years of girls he’s macked and discount it all just to focus on “well he SHOULD’VE looked better!!!!” “Why?” “Well, he would’ve gotten laid more!!” “He was already out pulling girls multiple times a week, how much more would have have gotten laid?” “Well—WELL HE JUST SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO LOOK BETTER!!”

It’s so funny to me how it hits some sensitive nerve in guys…I think it’s that thing of like “I’m putting in all this effort into my looks and style and I’m barely getting laid, meanwhile this asshole gives no fucks and is running around tearing shit up, *I* should be the one tearing it up not HIM!!! Only a guy who looks good like I’m trying to achieve deserves to tear it up, if he looked like Henry Cavill then ok I could accept that, but this guy looks like a CLOWN and he’s not even TRYING, that’s not FAIR!!” So we want him to either NOT go tear it up, which he won’t, or we want him to look BETTER so that we can rationalize “ok he’s tearing it up, but he looks like a guy I expect to be able to tear it up, so I’m okay with that and I don’t have to acknolwedge that I’m not putting in the effor that he put in to get my skills to where his are and ultimately realize that I’m a lazy piece of shit who’s putting up barriers and avoiding doing hard work by trying to find side-tangent loopholes I can focus on so I don’t have to go pound the pavement multiple nights a week pushing myself out of my comfort zone like Tyler did”.

The funniest part to me is that girls will legitimately think he’s hot in person when he’s up in their face spiking their buying temperature. On Tinder, the guy in those photos up there isn’t getting Swiped Right lol But in PERSON where he can project his vibe/energy/intent and run his game, girls will legitimately be attracted to him. Even me, I’m a VERY average looking guy who should probably lose like 20 lbs. But if you MET me, in person, you would at FIRST think “wtf was this guy talking about, he’s a good-looking guy, he’s like an 8” But that would be because of the vibe I’m projecting as we interact. If I just stood in front of you and looked at the wall beside you and you really took an objective look at me and my face and flaws and my double-chin and acne scars and my old ragged clothes and my shirtless body with my hairy back and beer belly and moobs and grey starting to appear in my bad haircut (I let it grow out too much to save $ on getting cuts so it gets pretty bad by the end of it lol) etc you’d be like “this guy is like a 6”. I would get torn apart posting my pic on like the MISC bodybuilding forums for critique.

But I have girls in-field calling me a 10 with no hesitation like it’s obvious, and my FBs fawn over how hot I am to them because to them the vibe I’m projecting is the vibe of a 10 when I interact with them. They’ll instinctively ignore/rationalize all of my flaws and focus/exaggerate all of my features to rationalize the attraction they feel (because attraction is not a choice, so they HAVE to find ways to rationalize it). Just like they do with Tyler.

But like, if you posted this guy at 32 seconds into this video on MISC or a chick forum or Tinder or AskMen forums etc and said “is this a good-looking guy? Is this what men should aspire to look like?”:

No one would say “ya that’s a hot guy, I would totally swipe right on him, I want THAT body, I wanna have THAT guy’s hair” lol

The thing that really drilled it home for me was when I learned to use laser eye-contact well. When you get a handle on that, you realize that when the girl is looking you in the eyes like that, ALL SHE’S SEEING are your eyes and your vibe coming from them. She’s not seeing your belly or your shoes or your bald spot or your watch or anything…her RAS is fully focused on the emotions you’re making her feel in that moment and her eyes are locked on yours.

That’s why the guys who are the most looks obsessed are often the most boring guys…the guys who are like trust me bro girls compliment my watch and my shoes. The reason they even NOTICE those things are because you are boring and not taking over her RAS the way you should be.

Now if you wanna run passive game and just stand around taking whatever girl approaches you (which will usually be in the 6/10 range) or do online game for the shitty quality of girls online, sure, focus on your looks. Put a ton of effort into them, blow all your money on a nice watch etc. Those things will help you in those situations.

But if you want to actually do pickup, which is pro-active, focus on your game and put in your field time regardless of how you look. Do your Field Reports so when you fuck up you can find out if it’s your game instead of assuming “it must be because I’m not good-looking enough”.

@scray
“The Nice Guy constantly gives gives gives attention and is miserable. The women with Billy Bad Boy are often attention whores themselves and are miserable”

Also the over the top gay niceness of the Nice Guy makes Billy LOOK bad when he’s probably NOT, just out of contrast to the Nice Guy. Had this situ recently, dude was dating a girl I’m now fucking and the guy was smothering her so hard and being such an emo homo acting jealous and hurt and crying about it etc etc that I didn’t even have to DO anything except just NOT be a Nice Guy chode and the guy blew himself out. That guy will think I’m a jerk, and compared to him I AM a jerk…but like, I haven’t actually DONE anything jerk-ish. It’s just that in contrast to him I come off as this super Bad Boy to her lol

“So the key here is that many guys become ‘jerks’ who are STILL pussies. they will talk tough and be negative and whatever else but still fail to enforce boundaries.”

This. That’s why I don’t sweat other guys. A lot of guys put on a good paper tiger show, tough and badass alpha on the outside, but their internal frame is weak as fuck and they have no boundaries and no ability to enforce them and stick to it. I’ve met VERY few guys who are legit badass internally, but I’ve met a TON of guys who THINK they are just because no one has challenged them on their boundaries except other paper tiger guys with weak frames and girls. So they’ll respond to me “trust me bro this guy stepped up to me and I was a badass” and it’s like ya, I’m sure you were, and I’m also sure that guy had a weak frame interally because 99% of guys do. But I’ll let you tell the story to feel like a boss because I know that, just like people can’t comprehend Tyler having girls think he’s hot, tough guys can’t comprehend a guy like me understanding anything about “men” or having a strong frame in my pansy little body and they haven’t been out enough to get the psychological nuances that go on and how they themselves react to them just like everyone else (cuz then they wouldn’t be special tough-guy snowflakes lol).

“but we’ve all seen the video of Tom Cruise getting sprayed with the water. Like, he’s being SUPER NICE there lol and he’s still VERY MUCH ENFORCING his boundaries.”

That’s another great example right there. Most guys would go “man I would’ve uppercutted that guy’s teeth out the back of his head for that disrespect grrr!!!” But Tom handled that like a boss. No one sees Tom scold that guy like a child and goes “that guy’s a pussy” lol

“this is how the LONE guy I know who is BOTH super good looking AND has good game acts”

What?? You only know ONE guy who’s super good-looking and has good game?? IMPOSSIBLE BRO. Everyone has told me that these guys are EVERYWHERE in-field. Bars are FULL of them. Even the guys who tell me about these guys ARE them. EVERY SUPER GOOD-LOOKING GUY HAS 10/10 ALPHA GAME BRO, JUST READ THE TRP FORUMS!!

“He is probably the most polite dude I have ever met. And a high number of what I guess we’d call ‘natural alpha’ guys act this way too….”

Yup. Best Natural I’ve known was like that. He had lines you don’t cross and he would enforce them if you did, but overall he was the guy everyone wanted to be friends with because he wasn’t an asshole.

“If anyone remembers ‘Neighbors,’ there’s this scene where the most nerdy, picked on pledge storms off and the leader of the frat goes after him and you think he’s going to really wail on him or w/e and instead he’s like ‘dude are you ok? you’re usually like the best pledge out there, what’s up man, what’s going on?’

I remember thinking ‘EXACTLY RIGHT.’”

Lol good scene and ya that’s how it is. Like 21 Jump Street:

A high-value guy doesn’t have to take other people down. He brings them up to his level. He WANTS other guys to become awesome and reach their potential like he has. It’s like how a lot of negative people think everyone who’s rich is evil and underhanded and selfish, when in reality a lot of them would LOVE to help those guys out but they know those guys won’t accept their help or elevate themselves to their level if given the opportunity, or they would already be on the way to doing that.

“like it’s really funny how high value dudes will tease one another but most of the time, when someone reveals that it actually gets to them, they’ll turn around and be like ‘oh dude i had no idea, are you okay man? ha good to know, just kidding around’ and then theyll just find something else to tool you or someone else about lol”

Yup. The Natural I mentioned would tease other guys in the group, but NEVER about something that would seriously get to them, and he would stand up for the little guys if teasing got out of hand and he could see they were taking it too hard etc He’d tell stories about the less cool guys in the group that made those guys sound cooler to try to make them feel like they deserve to be in the group etc. Just tons of value-giving to the people around him even when they were objectively “losers” compared to him. He didn’t judge them by how “cool” they were to others, he judged them by whether they were good/quality dudes by HIS standards, because he knows himself and what his standards/boundaries are.

“maybe my experience is atypical but through this process I’ve been more struck at how kind and cool men and women can be and become more positive, not less.”

Nope, it’s very typical…for guys who go out and actually make a lot of friends and hang out with these people and learn to see things from other people’s perspective and build rapport with them etc.

One of the biggest mindfucks to me was I had this alpha guy in my circle who would give me endless shit about getting laid and I thought he was the biggest asshole in the world, it was bugging me because I was still new to the game and faking it without making it yet so I was still insecure about getting laid compared to other guys. But over time hanging around him and watching him interact with the other guys, I realized that the reason he was picking on me was that he legitimately thought I was “one of them” and getting laid my whole life like they did, so he had no idea he was actually picking on an insecure spot in me. I was congruent enough and had enough of a poker face that he thought I was handling it no problem the way the other guys who weren’t insecure about it did. That was a big wake-up call for me to step into my new behaviors/etc and embrace them…like everyone ELSE was seeing me as this alpha dude, so wtf am I doing doubting myself so much and hesitating to just embrace that role? He was treating me like an equal when I was interpreting it as him bullying me.

This is why I roll my eyes at all the negativity in the Manosphere and TRP. It’s like man, most people out there are inherently pretty good people. Ya there are shit-heads, but you just feel a little pity for them and hope that someday they come out of their negative world to join the rest of you in the positive one, and you move on. Even a lot of shitty people are just misunderstood or, when you get deep rapport with them and learn what makes them tick, are often just victims of their own upbringing or social conditioning and have layers of shittiness overtop of good qualities that they don’t know how to bring out anymore.

“like it’s funny to laugh at the fact he stops banging a chick with a model-tier face because she has ‘man hands’ but most guys IRL couldn’t do that. they’d be like ‘oh well in relationships you need to compromise and i need to accept blah blah blah’”

lol I’ve had similar conversations with girls that make me SOUND like a bad boy to them (“what? You stopped calling her because she didn’t show up all dolled up for you?? A girl can’t look pretty ALL THE TIME!!” “she doesn’t have to look pretty all the time, just when she’s with me” “but that’s so shallow!!” “I can’t help what my dick likes…I’m not saying you HAVE to doll yourself up, I’m just saying what my dick likes. If that’s not important to you, that’s totally fine I’m sure there are guys out there that will love you wearing your frumpy comfies with no makeup on.” “omg you’re such a jerk”). But really I just have boundaries that I enforce, and the abundance mentality to walk away, so I’m not afraid to walk out of a situation where the girl isn’t providing what I want. I’m not a controlling asshole, I’m just letting her know “this is what I like and if you don’t provide that then I can’t guarantee I’ll want to keep calling you”.

But as silly and absurd as that is, and polite as it is (I’m not like “ugh, you look like shit, go change” like the badass James Bond wannabe chicks dig jerks guys would say to do), that stuff paints me as a bad boy to them compared to the Nice Guy who’s txting them saying “oh he’s a jerk, you’re beautiful no matter what!!” And pretty much every time they show up dolled up for me the next time, and they fake-pout and say “THERE. Are you HAPPY now??” and I say “Yes. :)” and reward them for being good. Down the road a number of them have admitted that they hated it at first but now they LIKE dressing up for me and worrying about whether I’ll like their outfit etc. Because they’re attracted to me for having and enforcing boundaries and knowing what I want.

Never thought of Seinfeld but that’s a funny example that I can’t really disagree with lol His character is basically a master of doing takeaways, soft nexts, freezeouts, etc lol

@scribblerg
“Huh? You mean you LIVE here in the city?? Oh, so you’ve never really seen the stars, you poor thing…maybe I’ll show you them sometime. So anyway, you were talking about–”

@all
I hold the door for everyone. And I’ll stop posting huge rants about looks and RSD vids when you guys stop dedicating half the comments on every page to Emily.


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“in the realm of like….5-7 girls and social circles etc. being tall, good-looking, low bf, muscles etc. helps A LOT because there are NOT a lot of guys who have those qualities. and like zero percent of them who hang out in those circles are ‘nice.’”

Ya this why I’m very careful to stress that yes, looks WILL get you some free gimme iois here and there, and as long as no one interferes (and/or the woman takes the lead), you’ll get laid off them…and some environments like Tinder are built for looks screening.

But I’m also very careful to drop reality-bombs that most of the girls who open you to compliment your muscles are going to be aggressive 6s. Because the 9 is SURROUNDED by guys that already look like you or better, because those are the social circles she runs in. She’s not going to leave her group of guys who look like you to compliment your muscles unless you’re DHV’ing in some other way on top of it.

This is why a lot of good-looking guys come to PUA frustrated, because they’re not getting totally ignored, some of them may even be getting laid, but they’re not getting laid by the girls they WANT, and that eats away at them after a while because they still feel inept and incompetent when they see the girl that they legitimately do a double-take on and don’t know how to get her.

A lot of pickup is about giving guys competence and self-reliance/trust and control over their environment, not just about getting your dick wet.

Jack in Fight Club didn’t have a “bad life”. He had the IKEA apartment, the stable job, a closet full of clothes etc, but he wasn’t FREE and he wasn’t CAPABLE. We want guys to feel like Tyler Durden:

That’s not about having the most money or looks (even when he mentions “look like you want to look” it’s more about his fashion expressing himself VS the corporate grey suit drone look Jack is trapped in), or even how many girls you bang (Tyler bangs damage-case Marla and that’s about it), it’s about being the most true to yourself and the most capable to handle your shit in your environment. No hesitation, no filters, no holding yourself back, and feeling capable and confident to get what you want in life.

“HOWEVER….when you try to go after social circles/groups./sets where like the ‘uggo’ of the group is a 7 and all the dudes are high value, or you’re trying to break in to the VIP scene or whatever, then ya….suddenly all of that external stuff becomes waaaaaaay more common.”

Right. And what do we all know and accept from basic economics? When something is in abundance, its value goes down. That’s why really hot girls don’t care much about looks or money, they’re in social circles with guys that have plenty of that and are still beta chodes internally.

The 6s don’t hang out with guys like that, so they still believe the myths the same way most AFC guys think good-looking guys all have amazing game because they don’t actually hang out with those guys and see their flaws and how the vast majority of them (not because they look good but just because men in society today are beaten into the ground by social conditioning) have extremely weak unattractive internals.

That’s why a lot of hot girls end up with Johnny Depp Russell Brand weird artsy dudes…guys who fully express themselves compared to the dudebro trying to pretend to be James Bond. That dudebro would kill it if he could loosen up and express himself, but a lot of times the reason he looks like a dudebro is BECAUSE he’s stifling himself trying to be James Bond.

When everyone around you has money and looks and is pretending to be James Bond while simultaneously supplicating to you, the guy who’s intriguing is the guy who seems to have a stronger internal confidence than the other guys with no visible reason to HAVE that confidence and who’s fully unstifled and expressing and amusing himself without holding back worrying about what any of that group, including the girl, think.

But this is a huge mindfuck for guys who aren’t actively befriending these guys and approaching these girls in these sets, to accept. That’s why we push them into the field and force them to push their comfort zones, to learn it first-hand.

@SJF
“The mythical “7 hours” of old school mystery method. This was a median 7 hours depending on circumstances and skill level.”

The 7 hours was for making a girl fall in love with you and chase the fuck out of you and view you as the most amazing thing ever and want to be your girlfriend. You can get laid way easier than that, but Mystery’s goal was to get the girl to the point where she would literally CRY if he walked away without taking her number because she felt like she was losing the chance to date a rock star.

His goal wasn’t like, to bang her in the parking lot and she gets Buyer’s Remorse and doesn’t return his txts afterward etc. Not that you can’t do that, but Mystery was looking at creating relationships more than just fucking her…that’s why a lot of the stuff in the book/method seems excessive, because guys (including myself) are like “I dunno, I don’t NEED to ask about her hopes and dreams, I can fuck them a lot faster than that”. Then we get flaked on, or have to still chase the girl around, or she sees other guys at the same time and we have to compete, or she acts out and we have to freeze her out, etc etc and we go back to MM and realize “oh, I get it, it’s because I left a lot of this shit out” lol

And again he was shooting for the really hot high-value girls, a 7/10 isn’t going to need as much work as a 9/10 etc etc

That all said, sometimes you just want the fast fuck and can throw a lot of stuff out the window and strip it all down to DHV enough for her to show interest, qualify her on something other than her looks so you can show interest back making her feel like she’s special to you, have absolute minimal comfort (like just knowing the same people as her or having trustworthy eye-contact) and escalate lol (which is what GLL is basically doing in that 15 min video, but massively uncalibrated and with shitty qualification on her looks instead of something else)


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@scribblerg
I hate Todd’s voice infield but this has some good stuff to note. When she says “I’m not available” and tries to dissuade him, that’s where GLL in that 15 minute video would just “Next” her and move on, or try to grab her hand and tell her she has soft skin and try to make out with her and have her run away.

But Todd has calibration, so he smoothly takes the frame back saying they should take it slow and disarms her objections. In the end Todd takes the girl he chooses home despite her objections, with just a little bit of calibration to where she’s at and what she’s thinking and what she needs to disarm her.

Like he says: “Whenever you’re escalating that’s a good time for a disqualifier, because if you’re escalating a lot and you’re very forward about it, that tends to look needy. With a disqualifier you keep your value as you escalate” which is my issue with GLL’s “dog humping her leg” approach. Even when you DO go for instant makeouts and stuff it’s useful to drop “we shouldn’t be doing this” or “I’m not into you at all” or “you and I would never get along” etc in there to avoid her just making out with you and running off to go find her friends because she’s getting minor ASD kicking in.

And then he qualifiers her a bunch on how she has to be fun/interesting to keep his interest (VS just “ur pretty, ur skin is soft”).

And note how at 14:25, the GIRL suggests the extraction. “How much better is that than if I’m trying to push for it and she’s objecting, how nice is this going to go? Because she’s a participant in the pull, I won’t have to work to keep it good or keep her Buying Temp up, I can just sit back and be normal because she’s investing with me”

Now do you NEED the girl to chase you? No. You CAN just go spam approach and get laid. And like I say it’s GOOD to spend a few months out there escalating to a makeout off every ioi you get in every set just to learn how to escalate. But the ideal is to eventually develop a frame where girls are chasing you, not based on your looks or money or sugardaddy-ness etc but just wanting to be with YOU because you are a guy with value even if you’re a skinny little 5’7″ manlet with an effeminate voice like Todd.

Also notice the lack of kino. It doesn’t mean he CAN’T kino, but he’s calibrating that she has standoffish body language and will categorize him as a dog humping his leg if he gets too gropey, so he just fully doesn’t kino and focuses on demonstrating that he’s not afraid to escalate in OTHER ways, like pushing the interaction forward, joking about sex, etc. This girl knows when she goes for food with him that he’s going to take the interaction toward fucking her, because he’s demonstrated that in other ways besides kino.

Again if you don’t kino and DON’T show some kind of “forward intent”, you’re the asexual friend zone guy. I don’t kino but I show MASSIVE forward intent (way more than Todd) with the things I say and my laser eye-contact etc.

“Note the last minute or two when Todd is talking direct into the camera, it’s like he got back in the space he was in during the set and his posture and entire demeanor reeks of power and value, yet is cool and calm”

The funny part of RSD vids to me is you can tell when they’re filming them right after bootcamp. You can see they’re still “in state”…they’re a little more intense (but a calm intensity/assuredness), and a lot of what they say doesn’t even make sense or is just random shit that their brain thinks is genius in the moment and then they realize “oh wait, I should probably logically explain what I’m talking about” lol

This is my favorite one lol you can tell his brain is just completely in the moment saying whatever it thinks is funny/awesome in the moment, and his eye-contact is locked onto the camera and he’s projecting a solid frame through his eyes, tonality, etc:

And you can see how he has to pro-actively try to shift his brain into logical explanation mode for the sake of explaining a concept lol

Another one where you can tell he’s just come off bootcamp and his brain is in that present mode and he’s been holding his frame with women all night etc, all his sub-comms are rock solid:

Another one, again steady eye-contact, brain is in the moment, and the interesting part is around 9:15 when he wants to get rid of this guy yapping to him and hears Jeffy getting riled up behind him…he just walks away no hesitation no “excuse me”, just “this is the thing that needs to be done right now, so I’m going to do it” and he goes over to get Jeffy and brushes off the guy Jeffy’s talking to, then makes Brad join the video all with breaking tonality/commanding like “what I want to happen is GOING to happen”, and all 3 of them are feeling confident and in state at the end looking at the camera (’cause they’ve just come off a long bootcamp). Their subcomms are way more confident than they should be and look at their internal thought-loops going on “we’re the coolest men ever” and “it’s hard to be us…but it’s harder NOT to be us” etc That’s the vibe they’re approaching girls infield with:

Jeffy’s subcomms while on bootcamp, again watch his eye-contact and self-assuredness/intensity/expressiveness. He fully believes that everything he says is the most important thing that’s ever been said:

How Jeffy is here is how my buddy and I talk to eachother infield when we have shit to discuss and our conversations will literally draw IOIs and pAImAI even if we’re completely ignoring the girls around us, because girls are curious what we’re so intense about compared to the guys hurr durring around looking for value to leech and staring at girls and talking to eachother while looking around the room.

Julien has a good one here, at 1:50 (cameo of Owen with glasses making out with a girl behind him lol):

Nothing around Julien interrupts his frame. Everything that happens he just rolls with it, confident eye-contact in the camera etc.

Again watch his eye-contact/intensity without being angry or big and jacked or anything, it’s just a very strong frame, no self-doubt, no hesitation, just expressing the thing he wants to express:

Contrast that with him trying to fake intensity, he’s got super intense mannerisms and physicality (note that in the ACTUAL in-state vids he doesn’t have crazy wild mannerisms, his eyes project all the intensity), and it all comes off as paper tiger fake intensity, he doesn’t seem grounded/solid at all…small dog with a loud bark vibe:

And compare all of that to Julien’s first attempts at videos (he does this take over and over a million times):

Here Tyler puts him on cam and he’s super uncomfortable, and the infield they show he’s fully hesitating/self-doubting etc:

Also bonus for the guy who said Julien is hot: here’s Julien with full 10/10 super sexy Dad Bod lol, skip past his apology at the beginning and jump to 1:45 for the lols:

That’s the guy doing this:


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Skip to 21:30 in that Imperfect Perfection Pipe Dream vid for the part where Julien tries recording his first-ever video and is massively self-conscious and hesitant and self-doubting etc (weak frame, this is how a LOT of guys, even good looking guys, are in-field around hot girls, and why they’re easy to steamroll over when you have the frame in the other videos where the guys are grounded solid and self-assured).

Also all of those vids are good content, I recommend actually watching them instead of just skipping to the parts I point stuff out at lol

@SJF
“Tyler most certainly could have banged better, but he was the narrators alter ego–the narrator with no hesitation, filters or holding himself back and having real power.”

Right. My point is that we don’t look at Tyler and go “aww ya he banged gross dirty Marla” and judge how “awesome” he is based on the pussy he’s getting which is what guys first getting into pickup judge guys by…Tyler comes off high-value in the movie because of his overall vibe (no hesitation, no filters, no holding himself back, etc). We know he COULD get hot girls, because of the high-value he projects through all these other channels.

We want guys to feel like THAT…not to just “get laid” or just rack up notches on their belt. We want them to feel overall fully confident and capable in life, it just happens that forcing yourself out of your comfort zone into scary social situations and staring down hot girls and trying to fuck them and interact with other alpha dudes and shit is a REALLY fast and fun way to get to that stage (VS just getting really good at like, mountain climbing, but then being nervous in social situations because the skill doesn’t translate…

Whereas the things you gain from doing pickup will wash into the rest of your life in areas and ways you don’t expect, like scribblerg realizing he doesn’t panic about business situations anymore, because he’s a few steps closer to being that calm capable Tyler Durden version of himself).


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“Indeed, I hate Todd’s voice and on some level, I can’t believe what he does works”

That’s kind of the point though. That you don’t need to look and sound and dress like James Bond to do this stuff. What we’re doing is hitting attraction triggers. If a table lamp could hit those triggers a girl would be attracted to that table lamp lol Like if a girl could shit-test a lamp and that lamp could respond with cocky/funny agree/amplify she would find herself drawn to that lamp. That’s why girls fall in love with characters in movies and books and shit, those guys don’t even EXIST except in her mind (in the case of books) but 50 Shades still sits on their nightstand for when they’re horny. “Attraction is not a choice” and all that.

Girls like Emily will yap about how her and her girlfriends lol at the guy when they’re looking at it in a logical headspace (using their forebrain/logic), but in the moment if they were testing him and he was passing their tests (speaking to their hindbrain/emotions) they would come to like him and possibly be attracted to him (and hating that they’re attracted) because everything they throw at him falls flat and he always has a better answer than them. Even if from the outside it looks robotic.

A good example of how much it doesn’t matter what it looks like to watch, what matters is how the girl he’s speaking to feels in the moment, is Mystery turning this girl around:

Again another girl that GLL in that 15 min video would walk away from. At first she’s hassling him testing him like crazy, and half of what he does comes off robotic and doesn’t make logical sense jumping around in the conversation etc etc but he’s purposely hitting specific triggers that she instinctively responds to and by the end she’s a purring kitten for him. Pay attention to the little shit like when her friend comes in to mother hen and he takes his attention away from the first girl to focus on befriending the friend and how that makes the first girl react etc. “Attraction is not a choice”

Does this stuff work every time? No, Emily might lol at Todd and Mystery will get shot down by girls. All we’re doing is approaching it like poker, increasing the odds by understanding the dynamics of the game and taking right action to get the highest possible % of success we can with what we’re dealt.

“One thing about that pull is that she’s like late 30s or something, it’s late night at a club, she’s alone so the logistics are really optimal and she’s also clearly not the prize in his mind”

Right, this goes back to Tyler’s video about a “Gangster Exercise For Entitlement”…if you can treat a 10 the way you treat a 4, she’ll respond in the exact same way. But 99.999% of guys can’t treat a 10 the way they’d treat a 4 because they view the 10 as higher value. Todd KNOWS this girl’s life will be enhanced by spending time with him, he KNOWS he’s handing her a million dollar bill, and it comes through in his subcomms and she instinctively picks up on those. Most guys don’t believe what they’re offering is worth anything to anyone, especially to girls and especially to hotter girls.

“Also notice how he stands to the side and doesn’t even face her until she gives IOIs and then later when he brings up the food he lets her come to him and doesnt agree immediately.”

Ya this is classic Mystery Method. She hasn’t EARNED his full attention until she’s giving IOIs, then it’s a REWARD. And he makes her invest in the interaction by CHOOSING to go with him etc. These little things are the difference between the girl feeling like she’s winning a prize or feeling like you’ll fuck anything that shows interest in you (and she still might fuck you then, but it’s a very different dynamic).

“I’ve been thinking of this lately as also giving the woman space to express her desire. When I’m all pushing it crowds the woman out, his example here is so telling. She even puts out there what will happen after the food, without him prompting her.”

Here’s Todd literally explaining what you’re thinking in-depth for you, this should connect some dots:


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Hey lover <3 still waiting on your reply to these comments:

http://therationalmale.com/2016/03/07/ghosting/comment-page-4/#comment-145489

"Now my theory with regards to Mr. Really is that he too is a needy bitch. A high IQ one. I don’t think a man who truly possessed such skill with women would spend so much time typing so many excess words when he could be spending that time reaping the rewards of his skill."

That's because you come from a value-taking mindset. A lot of poor people can't understand why rich people would get into philanthropy instead of just buying mansions and spending all their money on hookers & blow.

"Balancing that with actual sarging, work and just plain life is hard enough."

When you want something and you enjoy the things you're doing, it's not really work.

"If YaReally were to spend the time he spends on the internet at a gym he wouldn’t be such a fat, slovenly little shit."

That is an accurate statement lol In a way it's heroic that I'm sacrificing my 6-pack abs to spend time helping other men. Really quite noble of me when you think about it. Thanks for the compliment!

"No, there is something not right about him. I would bet money he’s not legit. Spider sense tingles with him."

lol

"My guess, he’s an incel that has spent years reading and consuming this stuff."

Shit, you got me. I'm a virgin neckbeard living in my mother's basement. I just really like LARPing.

"Maybe a bartender or a waiter so he has some knowledge of what happens in night time environments (which is why he’s so fucking poor)."

…you know that bartenders in nightclubs make a shitload of money right? Have you ever been inside one of these "night time environments"? Sounds like the incel stuff might be projection on your part lol

"But I don’t get the vibe that he is an actual player. Probably a very intelligent, spergy pretender."

Probably a safe bet. I'll have my fake infield vids coming out soon, picked up some sweet tips on putting them together from your London heroes.

"Oh and note to Mr. Tomassi,"

…lol


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Hey lover❀ still waiting on your reply to these comments:

https://therationalmale.com/2016/03/07/ghosting/comment-page-4/#comment-145489

"Now my theory with regards to Mr. Really is that he too is a needy bitch. A high IQ one. I don’t think a man who truly possessed such skill with women would spend so much time typing so many excess words when he could be spending that time reaping the rewards of his skill."

That's because you come from a value-taking mindset. A lot of poor people can't understand why rich people would get into philanthropy instead of just buying mansions and spending all their money on hookers & blow.

"Balancing that with actual sarging, work and just plain life is hard enough."

When you want something and you enjoy the things you're doing, it's not really work.

"If YaReally were to spend the time he spends on the internet at a gym he wouldn’t be such a fat, slovenly little shit."

That is an accurate statement lol In a way it's heroic that I'm sacrificing my 6-pack abs to spend time helping other men. Really quite noble of me when you think about it. Thanks for the compliment!

"No, there is something not right about him. I would bet money he’s not legit. Spider sense tingles with him."

lol

"My guess, he’s an incel that has spent years reading and consuming this stuff."

Shit, you got me. I'm a virgin neckbeard living in my mother's basement. I just really like LARPing.

"Maybe a bartender or a waiter so he has some knowledge of what happens in night time environments (which is why he’s so fucking poor)."

…you know that bartenders in nightclubs make a shitload of money right? Have you ever been inside one of these "night time environments"? Sounds like the incel stuff might be projection on your part lol

"But I don’t get the vibe that he is an actual player. Probably a very intelligent, spergy pretender."

Probably a safe bet. I'll have my fake infield vids coming out soon, picked up some sweet tips on putting them together from your London heroes.

"Oh and note to Mr. Tomassi,"

…lol


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“The 90/10 split YaReally has been talking about becoming a reality. Women find themselves now wanting the upper 10% of men (because she deserves it; see the aforementioned narcissism), then upon realizing how impossible it is (because they’re all overweight and don’t want to change) they desperately grasp for whatever they can get their hands on.”

The sad part is that most of the 5-7s you see out at the bar have fucked/dated a guy that we would all consider like a 9 or 10 in terms of external SMV. Like most of them have snagged one of these guys for a while through social circle, the guy wasn’t confident enough to go for hotter girls, the guy was horny/desperate and too nice to break it off, or they’ve known eachother for years, or the chick has a decent enough personality to keep the guy around etc etc So girls who’s SMV is nowhere near what it should logically be to get those guys to even LOOK at them, end up not just dating them, but ultimately rejecting them because the guys fall into classic neediness etc and the girls frame the whole thing as “he was too obsessed with the gym” or “there was just no spark” or “he was a really nice guy but…” etc etc

The end result is a lot of them come out of it entitled as fuck to high SMV guys because guys are so thirsty that they’ve given that girl a taste of having those men. It really only takes them getting one or two of those guys for them to believe that’s the type they deserve. Watching like a 6 ruthlessly clowning on a dude who’s rich jacked etc (but has shitty internals and is txting her from a needy place etc) is surreal.

@hank holiday
“Switched to focusing on relocating.”

Good on you for taking action toward your goal. I’ve lived a long bus ride away from the bar district and I’ve lived in the heart of the bar district and the difference is drastic. Being able to walk outside and see cute girls and be able to approach them and have a bunch of venues full of girls in all directions makes gaming so much easier and less of a “chore” than when you have to go through a huge hassle just to get to the point where you can finally talk to a girl. Get a place right in the heart of the bar district in that city if you can afford it. And a tourist/college town is great, lots of girls passing through where they won’t remember you if you fuck up so you have a lot of freedom to work on your game (VS a small town where all your mistakes follow you around).

As far as finding your type of girls, in most cities you’ll find that there’s a few bars where minorities will gather on specific nights. Like a bar that’s normally mostly white people, on like a Thursday night might be 90% minorities and then Fri Sat it’s all white people again. You’ll probably have to discover when/where that goes down just by going out a lot and going to a variety of venues on a variety of nights but like if a guy came to me and said “I love asian chicks” I go out enough that I know where I could take him to find him some. If the city is big enough sometimes there’s a venue/club that’s basically always minority-filled. Work your way into those scenes if you’re into the non-white chicks.

Props on taking action even LOOKING into this stuff. That’s more than most guys will do, most guys will just cry and whine about their situation.

@gb_hill
“Krauser is requesting your e-mail address over at his Twitter. You should contact him.”

I don’t have an E-Mail address and I don’t do private conversations. Krauser can find me right here.

“Perhaps even be on his podcast. It would be entertaining and maybe even informative. ”

lol no thanks. I have no interest in being these guys:

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/264062/coffee-shop-closes-after-owners-exposed-as-misogynistic-sex-bloggers/

“Personally, I would love to hear your voice. That would tell me everything I need to know.”

I’m sure you’ve already fapped to the thought of my voice in your ear as it is.

Still no reply from you to those posts, after you came in here guns blazing? Shocker lol

@Softek
“And I have no doubts that if eventually she gets sick of my lack of commitment, she’ll have another guy to go to in a heartbeat”

The flip side of it is that when she DOES try to go date those guys looking for commitment, they’ll generally be shitty lays (the fact that they’re offering her commitment so easily isn’t real condusive to being the type of guy who’s going to pull her hair spank her ass and choke-fuck her while they call her a dirty little whore etc), and even if they’re decent the very structure of monogamy itself MAKES a guy seem boring. You’re the fun fantasy guy who fucks her brains out, he’s the guy she sees eating leftover pizza in his underwear watching YouTube videos and farting:

See my big fucking “Why Monogamy Is Broken in 2015” post:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-114069

If she saw you as often as she saw him, she might weigh things and realize the commitment guy is technically better for her long-term, but because you’ll just be this amazing memory to her she’ll end up alpha widowed. This impacts extra hard when you go radio silent on her after she breaks it off to try to go date a commitment guy, like if you keep txting her and giving her doses of you then she gets the commitment guy plus the emotions you spike. But if you go radio silent (and ideally go fuck other girls so you’re just too busy to bother txting) the memory of you she compares the commitment guy to will be the last memories she has of you.

And because you keep your value like that, the vast VAST majority of the time as her boyfriends’ value lowers through the traps of monogmay (a guy like Rollo can keep his value in a monoLTR because he understands the red pill but most guys who are voluntarily entering monogamy/commitment aren’t equipped to keep their value high in it), you’ll get a “heyy” txt at 2am some random Saturday night 2-8 months after she bails on you.

“And think that my committing to her would be a good way to keep her around and faithful to me.”

The second you offer commitment from a place of scarcity/fear of loss is the second she knows that you need her more than she needs you and things just spiral from there. Your commitment is a REWARD she EARNS, not something you give her under duress.

“She constantly claims I’m hurting her/borderline abusing her by not committing to her. That I’m messing her up, etc. That a *lack of commitment* could be considered abusive…that’s the FI in a nutshell.”

lol this. I don’t even listen to girls when they tell me their ex was “abusive” now…EVERY girl says her ex was “abusive” and half the time they mean “he wouldn’t do what I wanted”. I know a girl who considers her guy not replying to her txts promptly enough “emotional abuse” lol

“It’s quite a mindfuck at times. The conditioning runs deep. I’ve thought at times, “Maybe I really am fucked up, and being mean to her, by not committing to her. Maybe I’m mistreating her. Maybe I really am causing her a lot of stress and pain.””

If you haven’t read my stuff on pLTRs, read that link I posted above and click my name and search the term in my archives. It can be hard to fight the social pressure and guilt/shaming when you aren’t sure if what you’re doing is right and reading some of my shit on it might help solidify your resolve through the temper tantrums.

“What’s wrong with what we’ve been doing outside of a lack of commitment?”

In a pLTR I treat my Primary EXACTLY like a normal girlfriend. To anyone looking at us we are BF/GF in a traditional monoLTR. The ONLY difference is that on my own free time I fool around with other girls…those girls don’t get the same treatment my Primary gets, like I don’t go do LTR things with those girls, and they know about her and have to be cool with being Secondary (if they’re not they can leave, that’s fine). And most of the time my Primary would have NO IDEA I even HAVE other girls if she didn’t ask about it or if I didn’t tell her from the start that that’s the type of relationship she’s signing up for (to screen for girls who are cool about it…it’s much better to screen for a girl who’s fine with it (or is even turned on by it, like she knows that preselection makes her more attracted to you, or she’s bisexual and into the girls too) than to try to wrangle a girl who’s NOT cool with it into “putting up” with it because that girl is going to build resentment over time and flip her shit one day and you’ll probably end up hurting her).

So she’s still getting EVERYTHING she’d get from a normal commitment guy, plus a guy who fucks her proper. But social conditioning will convince her that that’s not enough, and her main worry is that she’ll get replaced one day. Like one of the Secondaries or randoms will be better (younger, hotter, better in bed, more fun etc) than her and all her investment will be a waste because you’ll toss her aside for that other girl.

Like I’ve said before, it’s really not the actual act of fucking other girls that’s the problem (though they’ll describe it as such beause they generally aren’t self-aware enough to dig down to exactly WHY rolling around and sweating with another person in a bed is wrong while they wouldn’t mind if you like, went and did some MMA sparring with someone else rolling around and sweating etc…sex is ultimately just physcial activity and not really a big deal), it’s the fear of being replaced that kicks in when they think about you fucking other girls or not committing.

“The reality is that the relationship is healthy and everything we’ve actually been doing has been healthy. I mean, no one’s perfect, but we get along really well for the most part and are very good to each other.”

She will toss it away to try it on with a guy who has a bunch of flaws but gives her 100% of his time/commitment. And then she’ll get bored and txt you when she’s horny down the road…and will probably keep him around to eventually settle with and marry, while rationalizing fucking you on the side.

“One big one: look at her behavior, not her words.”

This. Good man. Good to see you have a solid frame against all this.

“Also, seeing how much she’s disregarded him, the *complete* lack of empathy/sympathy, to the point of regarding him like a common house fly — that was a stark realization too.”

This. I’ve seen this way too many times and a buddy experienced it first-hand recently and was devastated by how a girl who had doted on him for years could view him with such disgust when he didn’t even do anything wrong, she just got bored and didn’t want to settle down quite yet (YOLO!) and was rationalizing to herself that he’s garbage to make her terrible decision (she’s 30 and he is easily the highest value guy she’ll ever get to commit to her…other guys will FUCK her, but JUST fuck her as she hits the wall in the next few years). Full War Bride dynamic (I sent him your articles on that btw Rollo and they helped him understand how she could 180 like that so thanks).

When a girl is “madly in love” with me I know she can 180 on me at any time…everything she loves about me she loves because she’s currently attracted to me. She’ll frame all my flaws as amazing and wonderful and focus on my features, but the second she’s no longer attracted to me, her brain will stop focusing on my good points and frame all my features as flaws and focus on my flaws. It’s necessary for her to move on so I’m not really bothered by it, but it’s important to understand it. Through the red pill and understanding attraction and Hypergamy I can stay attractive longterm, but I know all it’ll take is a few bad months (with a serious GF) for her to start not viewing me as Superman anymore lol

“But it is pretty offputting to know that I could very easily end up in the exact same situation. Treated with love and care and showered with affection and having great sex one year — then dumped at the curb the next, even to the point of being held in contempt.”

Yup. Never forget this. Guys enter marriage and monoLTRs thinking “if I agree to commitment then I’m immune to this, she logically AGREED to be attracted to me forever and ever, this is a great deal for me!” and then when monogamy lowers their value as it often does, they get blindsided by the 180.

Thing is this was always happening all around you, nothing has actually “changed” around you…you just didn’t see the Matrix. Now you’re simply aware of what’s going on. Understanding that can sometimes help with processing these things. You being aware of these dynamics puts you far and above other guys who are walking around blindfolded with their eyes closed in a dark cave lol

If I were to enter a monoLTR to have kids, I would enter it with the full acceptance that in this 2016 ADD culture where girls have a million options etc etc, it may only last around 10 years and then I’d be single again. Like if it lasts past that, cool that’s an awesome bonus and a situation like Rollo has crafted for himself where he passively stokes dread with his work would help with that, but I would be prepared from the start for her to Eat Pray Love around the 10 year mark and have to deal with family court for shared custody and deal with a divorce/asset-loss etc and be taking action from day one to minimize those things. Even if she’s doting on me like crazy the first few years, society will be throwing her chisled-jaw 6-pack ab rich “shirtless on my yatch” options on Tinder from every angle while I’m changing poopy diapers and around 24/7 so there’s no mystery left to her etc


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on March 16th, 2016 at 4:02 am
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@Sun Wukong
“The 90/10 split YaReally has been talking about becoming a reality. Women find themselves now wanting the upper 10% of men (because she deserves it; see the aforementioned narcissism), then upon realizing how impossible it is (because they’re all overweight and don’t want to change) they desperately grasp for whatever they can get their hands on.”

The sad part is that most of the 5-7s you see out at the bar have fucked/dated a guy that we would all consider like a 9 or 10 in terms of external SMV. Like most of them have snagged one of these guys for a while through social circle, the guy wasn’t confident enough to go for hotter girls, the guy was horny/desperate and too nice to break it off, or they’ve known eachother for years, or the chick has a decent enough personality to keep the guy around etc etc So girls who’s SMV is nowhere near what it should logically be to get those guys to even LOOK at them, end up not just dating them, but ultimately rejecting them because the guys fall into classic neediness etc and the girls frame the whole thing as “he was too obsessed with the gym” or “there was just no spark” or “he was a really nice guy but…” etc etc

The end result is a lot of them come out of it entitled as fuck to high SMV guys because guys are so thirsty that they’ve given that girl a taste of having those men. It really only takes them getting one or two of those guys for them to believe that’s the type they deserve. Watching like a 6 ruthlessly clowning on a dude who’s rich jacked etc (but has shitty internals and is txting her from a needy place etc) is surreal.

@hank holiday
“Switched to focusing on relocating.”

Good on you for taking action toward your goal. I’ve lived a long bus ride away from the bar district and I’ve lived in the heart of the bar district and the difference is drastic. Being able to walk outside and see cute girls and be able to approach them and have a bunch of venues full of girls in all directions makes gaming so much easier and less of a “chore” than when you have to go through a huge hassle just to get to the point where you can finally talk to a girl. Get a place right in the heart of the bar district in that city if you can afford it. And a tourist/college town is great, lots of girls passing through where they won’t remember you if you fuck up so you have a lot of freedom to work on your game (VS a small town where all your mistakes follow you around).

As far as finding your type of girls, in most cities you’ll find that there’s a few bars where minorities will gather on specific nights. Like a bar that’s normally mostly white people, on like a Thursday night might be 90% minorities and then Fri Sat it’s all white people again. You’ll probably have to discover when/where that goes down just by going out a lot and going to a variety of venues on a variety of nights but like if a guy came to me and said “I love asian chicks” I go out enough that I know where I could take him to find him some. If the city is big enough sometimes there’s a venue/club that’s basically always minority-filled. Work your way into those scenes if you’re into the non-white chicks.

Props on taking action even LOOKING into this stuff. That’s more than most guys will do, most guys will just cry and whine about their situation.

@gb_hill
“Krauser is requesting your e-mail address over at his Twitter. You should contact him.”

I don’t have an E-Mail address and I don’t do private conversations. Krauser can find me right here.

“Perhaps even be on his podcast. It would be entertaining and maybe even informative. ”

lol no thanks. I have no interest in being these guys:

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/264062/coffee-shop-closes-after-owners-exposed-as-misogynistic-sex-bloggers/

“Personally, I would love to hear your voice. That would tell me everything I need to know.”

I’m sure you’ve already fapped to the thought of my voice in your ear as it is.

Still no reply from you to those posts, after you came in here guns blazing? Shocker lol

@Softek
“And I have no doubts that if eventually she gets sick of my lack of commitment, she’ll have another guy to go to in a heartbeat”

The flip side of it is that when she DOES try to go date those guys looking for commitment, they’ll generally be shitty lays (the fact that they’re offering her commitment so easily isn’t real condusive to being the type of guy who’s going to pull her hair spank her ass and choke-fuck her while they call her a dirty little whore etc), and even if they’re decent the very structure of monogamy itself MAKES a guy seem boring. You’re the fun fantasy guy who fucks her brains out, he’s the guy she sees eating leftover pizza in his underwear watching YouTube videos and farting:

See my big fucking “Why Monogamy Is Broken in 2015” post:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-114069

If she saw you as often as she saw him, she might weigh things and realize the commitment guy is technically better for her long-term, but because you’ll just be this amazing memory to her she’ll end up alpha widowed. This impacts extra hard when you go radio silent on her after she breaks it off to try to go date a commitment guy, like if you keep txting her and giving her doses of you then she gets the commitment guy plus the emotions you spike. But if you go radio silent (and ideally go fuck other girls so you’re just too busy to bother txting) the memory of you she compares the commitment guy to will be the last memories she has of you.

And because you keep your value like that, the vast VAST majority of the time as her boyfriends’ value lowers through the traps of monogmay (a guy like Rollo can keep his value in a monoLTR because he understands the red pill but most guys who are voluntarily entering monogamy/commitment aren’t equipped to keep their value high in it), you’ll get a “heyy” txt at 2am some random Saturday night 2-8 months after she bails on you.

“And think that my committing to her would be a good way to keep her around and faithful to me.”

The second you offer commitment from a place of scarcity/fear of loss is the second she knows that you need her more than she needs you and things just spiral from there. Your commitment is a REWARD she EARNS, not something you give her under duress.

“She constantly claims I’m hurting her/borderline abusing her by not committing to her. That I’m messing her up, etc. That a *lack of commitment* could be considered abusive…that’s the FI in a nutshell.”

lol this. I don’t even listen to girls when they tell me their ex was “abusive” now…EVERY girl says her ex was “abusive” and half the time they mean “he wouldn’t do what I wanted”. I know a girl who considers her guy not replying to her txts promptly enough “emotional abuse” lol

“It’s quite a mindfuck at times. The conditioning runs deep. I’ve thought at times, “Maybe I really am fucked up, and being mean to her, by not committing to her. Maybe I’m mistreating her. Maybe I really am causing her a lot of stress and pain.””

If you haven’t read my stuff on pLTRs, read that link I posted above and click my name and search the term in my archives. It can be hard to fight the social pressure and guilt/shaming when you aren’t sure if what you’re doing is right and reading some of my shit on it might help solidify your resolve through the temper tantrums.

“What’s wrong with what we’ve been doing outside of a lack of commitment?”

In a pLTR I treat my Primary EXACTLY like a normal girlfriend. To anyone looking at us we are BF/GF in a traditional monoLTR. The ONLY difference is that on my own free time I fool around with other girls…those girls don’t get the same treatment my Primary gets, like I don’t go do LTR things with those girls, and they know about her and have to be cool with being Secondary (if they’re not they can leave, that’s fine). And most of the time my Primary would have NO IDEA I even HAVE other girls if she didn’t ask about it or if I didn’t tell her from the start that that’s the type of relationship she’s signing up for (to screen for girls who are cool about it…it’s much better to screen for a girl who’s fine with it (or is even turned on by it, like she knows that preselection makes her more attracted to you, or she’s bisexual and into the girls too) than to try to wrangle a girl who’s NOT cool with it into “putting up” with it because that girl is going to build resentment over time and flip her shit one day and you’ll probably end up hurting her).

So she’s still getting EVERYTHING she’d get from a normal commitment guy, plus a guy who fucks her proper. But social conditioning will convince her that that’s not enough, and her main worry is that she’ll get replaced one day. Like one of the Secondaries or randoms will be better (younger, hotter, better in bed, more fun etc) than her and all her investment will be a waste because you’ll toss her aside for that other girl.

Like I’ve said before, it’s really not the actual act of fucking other girls that’s the problem (though they’ll describe it as such beause they generally aren’t self-aware enough to dig down to exactly WHY rolling around and sweating with another person in a bed is wrong while they wouldn’t mind if you like, went and did some MMA sparring with someone else rolling around and sweating etc…sex is ultimately just physcial activity and not really a big deal), it’s the fear of being replaced that kicks in when they think about you fucking other girls or not committing.

“The reality is that the relationship is healthy and everything we’ve actually been doing has been healthy. I mean, no one’s perfect, but we get along really well for the most part and are very good to each other.”

She will toss it away to try it on with a guy who has a bunch of flaws but gives her 100% of his time/commitment. And then she’ll get bored and txt you when she’s horny down the road…and will probably keep him around to eventually settle with and marry, while rationalizing fucking you on the side.

“One big one: look at her behavior, not her words.”

This. Good man. Good to see you have a solid frame against all this.

“Also, seeing how much she’s disregarded him, the *complete* lack of empathy/sympathy, to the point of regarding him like a common house fly — that was a stark realization too.”

This. I’ve seen this way too many times and a buddy experienced it first-hand recently and was devastated by how a girl who had doted on him for years could view him with such disgust when he didn’t even do anything wrong, she just got bored and didn’t want to settle down quite yet (YOLO!) and was rationalizing to herself that he’s garbage to make her terrible decision (she’s 30 and he is easily the highest value guy she’ll ever get to commit to her…other guys will FUCK her, but JUST fuck her as she hits the wall in the next few years). Full War Bride dynamic (I sent him your articles on that btw Rollo and they helped him understand how she could 180 like that so thanks).

When a girl is “madly in love” with me I know she can 180 on me at any time…everything she loves about me she loves because she’s currently attracted to me. She’ll frame all my flaws as amazing and wonderful and focus on my features, but the second she’s no longer attracted to me, her brain will stop focusing on my good points and frame all my features as flaws and focus on my flaws. It’s necessary for her to move on so I’m not really bothered by it, but it’s important to understand it. Through the red pill and understanding attraction and Hypergamy I can stay attractive longterm, but I know all it’ll take is a few bad months (with a serious GF) for her to start not viewing me as Superman anymore lol

“But it is pretty offputting to know that I could very easily end up in the exact same situation. Treated with love and care and showered with affection and having great sex one year — then dumped at the curb the next, even to the point of being held in contempt.”

Yup. Never forget this. Guys enter marriage and monoLTRs thinking “if I agree to commitment then I’m immune to this, she logically AGREED to be attracted to me forever and ever, this is a great deal for me!” and then when monogamy lowers their value as it often does, they get blindsided by the 180.

Thing is this was always happening all around you, nothing has actually “changed” around you…you just didn’t see the Matrix. Now you’re simply aware of what’s going on. Understanding that can sometimes help with processing these things. You being aware of these dynamics puts you far and above other guys who are walking around blindfolded with their eyes closed in a dark cave lol

If I were to enter a monoLTR to have kids, I would enter it with the full acceptance that in this 2016 ADD culture where girls have a million options etc etc, it may only last around 10 years and then I’d be single again. Like if it lasts past that, cool that’s an awesome bonus and a situation like Rollo has crafted for himself where he passively stokes dread with his work would help with that, but I would be prepared from the start for her to Eat Pray Love around the 10 year mark and have to deal with family court for shared custody and deal with a divorce/asset-loss etc and be taking action from day one to minimize those things. Even if she’s doting on me like crazy the first few years, society will be throwing her chisled-jaw 6-pack ab rich “shirtless on my yatch” options on Tinder from every angle while I’m changing poopy diapers and around 24/7 so there’s no mystery left to her etc


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on March 16th, 2016 at 4:57 am
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On a side note I just wanted to break this part by gb_hill down because it’s a good example of some AMOG dynamic stuff:

“Now my theory with regards to Mr. Really is that he too is a needy bitch.”
“I don’t think a man who truly possessed such skill with women would spend so much time”
“he wouldn’t be such a fat, slovenly little shit.”
“Personally, I would love to hear your voice. That would tell me everything I need to know.”

The intention behind this is obviously to get me to go “oh ya, well I’m legit, I’ll show this asshole I’ll show my awesome voice and prove him wrong!!” But because I don’t value gb_hill’s opinion and I’m not subscribed to his value system (so I don’t care about proving myself or anything), it doesn’t affect me. I can treat it flippantly and say “yup you’re right I’m a virgin neckbeard in my mom’s basement” because the thing he values that he’s trying to goad me with is a thing that I don’t value.

His posts are heavily focused around proving yourself to other men and having the respect of other men, which is why a lot of his posts are so full of shit-talking other people. It’s not “hey check out this resource”, it’s “fuck those OTHER resources, those guys are all losers, look at YaReally what a looooooser, check out these WAY BETTER resources” etc. He demonstrates what his value system is in the same way a jacked dude at the bar in a tight-shirt reveals that his value system is probably looks/muscles-based and a rich guy in an expensive suit at the bar flashing cash reveals that his value system is probably based around money.

When guys wear their value system on their sleeve like that, it’s easy to fuck with it and lower their value (to themselves or others) because you just have to devalue the thing they value. And ideally get girls to devalue it…this is what scray does when he tells a group with jacked dudes that he barely works out and eats garbage and doesn’t like to try too hard and the girls join scray’s side and tell the other guys they’re too try-hard etc, scray is using the girls to help him devalue the thing the other guys base a lot of their self-worth on, which fucks with their identity/confidence.

This is why you’ll see a lot of PUAs IMMEDIATELY go to the “oh ya you’re talking shit are you well let’s see you prove yourself!!! Let’s compare our lay counts and you better post up your infield footage to prove your worth buddy!!!” etc They’ve built a massive part of their identity around being a good PUA, so their value system is “who’s the best PUA, am I better than other PUAs, who’s better than who in terms of being a PUA?” and when you say like “oh I doubt you get laid at all” they flip their shit because you’re basically saying “I don’t think you have as much value as you think you do, in your personal value system”. But if you said to them “oh I doubt you’re even good at bowling” they wouldn’t react because their value system doesn’t involve being the best bowler. You can tell how close to home you’re poking a guy by how fast a guy goes from 0 to 100 reacting to you. And usually they’ll come back at you with what boils down to “well prove to me that YOU have value in my value system” and they get frustrated when you don’t care about their value system and don’t play along.

A lot of this stuff is why the whole “agree & amplify” works and gives you value to both men and women when they see it…because it shows that you have your own value system and aren’t caught up in someone else’s frame trying to prove or defend yourself to them. Like if I make fun of your bowling skills your don’t have to jump in and get reactive defensive about what a great bowler you are because that’s MY frame. It’s even MORE low-value if you actively DON’T care about bowling and still jump into my frame to defend yourself on it, and that’s where you’ll end up with friends saying “bro who even CARES what that guy thinks?? Why do you give a shit what he thinks about your bowling skills you don’t even bowl!!” Like it’s an absurd situation that a guy can be pulled into someone else’s frame and qualify themselves on shit that they don’t even care about, just because the other guy’s frame is strong enough to make that guy feel like, in that moment, he SHOULD be concerned about what other people think about his bowling skills.

Now a jacked dude wearing a baggy sweater that hides his build is a guy who probably DOESN’T care about looks, he’s more likely to just be buff because he likes lifting. And a rich guy who doesn’t flaunt his wealth is a guy who probably DOESN’T value money that much. So with those guys they’re probably more internally validated or base their value on something else that they don’t flaunt and you would have to poke around to figure out what their value system is if you wanted to shake their confidence.

This stuff is why it’s hard for guys to AMOG me infield or get me to flip my shit online, because they can’t tell what my value system is. When they try to make fun of my looks or money it just rolls off because those aren’t things I put value on…BUT, in DOING that they reveal to me what THEIR value system is. A guy who makes fun of my looks tells me that in his world looks is a thing people should be insecure about and worry what other people think about…but since I don’t value looks, it doesn’t faze me (like ok sure, I am a fat, slovenly little shit, now what?), and he’s just given me a bunch of information about how to faze HIM because I know if I can get him to question his looks (especially if I can get other people on board, and especially if those other people are girls) his confidence gets shaken.

That’s also why it’s best to avoid AMOG’ing and just befriend everyone instead…once you get into the AMOG back and forth you get into all this little dynamic shit and it becomes a battle to make the other guy feel shitty, instead of the mutually beneficial partnership two guys COULD have if they worked together to build value.

From this post:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-452271

“Also this concept is part of how I hold my own in the high-end clubs with jacked ripped 6-pack tall rich expensive suit wearing AMOGs. I know they’ve spent and spend so much of their life constructing their outward Identity/appearance of being a rich successful guy who’s good with women etc, and are trapped by their Ego into taking that Identity too seriously, so all I have to do to shake their frame/confidence is poke them with one little niggling doubt about themselves, like not being impressed about the thing they’re trying to impress myself and/or the girls with, or downplaying what they’re proud of to the girls so the girls stop valuing it as well.

ie – something like “wow man you’re ripped that awesome. You must spend all day in the gym hey, you must be going for a 2am workout after the bar tonight to stay that jacked lol I wish I had that kind of dedication but I’m a lazy fuck (pat my belly and make the girls rub it). I love good food too much, I have to get a steak when I’m at a restaraunt, I’d be embarrassed to order a salad lol you got way more balls than me man”. So in that bit, I’ve made him look like a salad ordering gym nut, and self-depreciated to contrast how I don’t take myself seriously (aka I’m more confident), AND I did it in a way where I’m actually complimenting him so he can’t even get mad at me…he’s stuck in Check wondering why the girls are patting my belly going “noooo I like your belly its cute!!” when I technically just told them how much better than me he is so logically they should want him more lol.

So there I’ve removed the value from one of the pillars he’s built his Identity around, in both my eyes and the girls’ eyes, and his Ego reacts butthurt (even if he doesn’t lash out at me, which he can’t because I complimented him, his state drops) and he loses the girls to me.

Sometimes if he’s frustrated enough he’ll try to tool me on my looks or money etc, something he puts value on so he thinks I’ll put value on, but 1) he’s just reacting to me at that point so he sabotages himself further in the girls’ eyes because the higher value person is the one who reacts less to the other person, and 2) I don’t build my self-worth around those external things so I’m not phased by it and will join in making fun of myself and be self-depreciating because I know my worth internally and know it has nothing to do with whatever he’s making fun of…the end result is if he does this, he takes himself from Check with the girls and puts himself in Check-mate and it’s over.

(if he’s a nice dude, I’ll back off and build his value up again for him and try to take the girls together and make a new buddy, but if he’s a dick I’ll just walk the girls away from him…they’ll follow me because I have all the high-value at that point)

This is the subtle art of the AMOG :)”

When you get out and sarge a lot you’ll interact with a lot of dudes and befriend alphas and shit and you’ll see a lot of this stuff play out. It’s not all malicious, like a group of alpha guys will all give eachother shit and try to poke at eachother’s weaknesses and shit but it’s like the wolf cubs playfighting they’re kind of just toughening you up when they give you shit. But that can be really hard to deal with when you come from an AFC mindset where you haven’t hung with alphas much and they’re hitting exposed nerves you haven’t healed over yet because you’re still developing yourself…those guys will often come off like jerks picking on you. But ironically a lot of the time when they pick on you they’re doing it because you’re giving off the externals that you CAN take it, like you DO have your shit handled…they won’t pick on a legitimately externally awkward buddy because that’s just being a bully. But there’s this limbo period where your externals say “I can take a little ribbing” but your internals are still catching up to that and are flipping their shit as your alpha buddies poke at you…so in a way it’s a COMPLIMENT to your externals.

(that doesn’t mean some alphas aren’t asshole dickhead bullies, but like, most of them are good dudes who are just instinctively helping you learn to hold your frame and get over your insecurities)


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on March 16th, 2016 at 4:57 am
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On a side note I just wanted to break this part by gb_hill down because it’s a good example of some AMOG dynamic stuff:

“Now my theory with regards to Mr. Really is that he too is a needy bitch.”
“I don’t think a man who truly possessed such skill with women would spend so much time”
“he wouldn’t be such a fat, slovenly little shit.”
“Personally, I would love to hear your voice. That would tell me everything I need to know.”

The intention behind this is obviously to get me to go “oh ya, well I’m legit, I’ll show this asshole I’ll show my awesome voice and prove him wrong!!” But because I don’t value gb_hill’s opinion and I’m not subscribed to his value system (so I don’t care about proving myself or anything), it doesn’t affect me. I can treat it flippantly and say “yup you’re right I’m a virgin neckbeard in my mom’s basement” because the thing he values that he’s trying to goad me with is a thing that I don’t value.

His posts are heavily focused around proving yourself to other men and having the respect of other men, which is why a lot of his posts are so full of shit-talking other people. It’s not “hey check out this resource”, it’s “fuck those OTHER resources, those guys are all losers, look at YaReally what a looooooser, check out these WAY BETTER resources” etc. He demonstrates what his value system is in the same way a jacked dude at the bar in a tight-shirt reveals that his value system is probably looks/muscles-based and a rich guy in an expensive suit at the bar flashing cash reveals that his value system is probably based around money.

When guys wear their value system on their sleeve like that, it’s easy to fuck with it and lower their value (to themselves or others) because you just have to devalue the thing they value. And ideally get girls to devalue it…this is what scray does when he tells a group with jacked dudes that he barely works out and eats garbage and doesn’t like to try too hard and the girls join scray’s side and tell the other guys they’re too try-hard etc, scray is using the girls to help him devalue the thing the other guys base a lot of their self-worth on, which fucks with their identity/confidence.

This is why you’ll see a lot of PUAs IMMEDIATELY go to the “oh ya you’re talking shit are you well let’s see you prove yourself!!! Let’s compare our lay counts and you better post up your infield footage to prove your worth buddy!!!” etc They’ve built a massive part of their identity around being a good PUA, so their value system is “who’s the best PUA, am I better than other PUAs, who’s better than who in terms of being a PUA?” and when you say like “oh I doubt you get laid at all” they flip their shit because you’re basically saying “I don’t think you have as much value as you think you do, in your personal value system”. But if you said to them “oh I doubt you’re even good at bowling” they wouldn’t react because their value system doesn’t involve being the best bowler. You can tell how close to home you’re poking a guy by how fast a guy goes from 0 to 100 reacting to you. And usually they’ll come back at you with what boils down to “well prove to me that YOU have value in my value system” and they get frustrated when you don’t care about their value system and don’t play along.

A lot of this stuff is why the whole “agree & amplify” works and gives you value to both men and women when they see it…because it shows that you have your own value system and aren’t caught up in someone else’s frame trying to prove or defend yourself to them. Like if I make fun of your bowling skills your don’t have to jump in and get reactive defensive about what a great bowler you are because that’s MY frame. It’s even MORE low-value if you actively DON’T care about bowling and still jump into my frame to defend yourself on it, and that’s where you’ll end up with friends saying “bro who even CARES what that guy thinks?? Why do you give a shit what he thinks about your bowling skills you don’t even bowl!!” Like it’s an absurd situation that a guy can be pulled into someone else’s frame and qualify themselves on shit that they don’t even care about, just because the other guy’s frame is strong enough to make that guy feel like, in that moment, he SHOULD be concerned about what other people think about his bowling skills.

Now a jacked dude wearing a baggy sweater that hides his build is a guy who probably DOESN’T care about looks, he’s more likely to just be buff because he likes lifting. And a rich guy who doesn’t flaunt his wealth is a guy who probably DOESN’T value money that much. So with those guys they’re probably more internally validated or base their value on something else that they don’t flaunt and you would have to poke around to figure out what their value system is if you wanted to shake their confidence.

This stuff is why it’s hard for guys to AMOG me infield or get me to flip my shit online, because they can’t tell what my value system is. When they try to make fun of my looks or money it just rolls off because those aren’t things I put value on…BUT, in DOING that they reveal to me what THEIR value system is. A guy who makes fun of my looks tells me that in his world looks is a thing people should be insecure about and worry what other people think about…but since I don’t value looks, it doesn’t faze me (like ok sure, I am a fat, slovenly little shit, now what?), and he’s just given me a bunch of information about how to faze HIM because I know if I can get him to question his looks (especially if I can get other people on board, and especially if those other people are girls) his confidence gets shaken.

That’s also why it’s best to avoid AMOG’ing and just befriend everyone instead…once you get into the AMOG back and forth you get into all this little dynamic shit and it becomes a battle to make the other guy feel shitty, instead of the mutually beneficial partnership two guys COULD have if they worked together to build value.

From this post:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-452271

“Also this concept is part of how I hold my own in the high-end clubs with jacked ripped 6-pack tall rich expensive suit wearing AMOGs. I know they’ve spent and spend so much of their life constructing their outward Identity/appearance of being a rich successful guy who’s good with women etc, and are trapped by their Ego into taking that Identity too seriously, so all I have to do to shake their frame/confidence is poke them with one little niggling doubt about themselves, like not being impressed about the thing they’re trying to impress myself and/or the girls with, or downplaying what they’re proud of to the girls so the girls stop valuing it as well.

ie – something like “wow man you’re ripped that awesome. You must spend all day in the gym hey, you must be going for a 2am workout after the bar tonight to stay that jacked lol I wish I had that kind of dedication but I’m a lazy fuck (pat my belly and make the girls rub it). I love good food too much, I have to get a steak when I’m at a restaraunt, I’d be embarrassed to order a salad lol you got way more balls than me man”. So in that bit, I’ve made him look like a salad ordering gym nut, and self-depreciated to contrast how I don’t take myself seriously (aka I’m more confident), AND I did it in a way where I’m actually complimenting him so he can’t even get mad at me…he’s stuck in Check wondering why the girls are patting my belly going “noooo I like your belly its cute!!” when I technically just told them how much better than me he is so logically they should want him more lol.

So there I’ve removed the value from one of the pillars he’s built his Identity around, in both my eyes and the girls’ eyes, and his Ego reacts butthurt (even if he doesn’t lash out at me, which he can’t because I complimented him, his state drops) and he loses the girls to me.

Sometimes if he’s frustrated enough he’ll try to tool me on my looks or money etc, something he puts value on so he thinks I’ll put value on, but 1) he’s just reacting to me at that point so he sabotages himself further in the girls’ eyes because the higher value person is the one who reacts less to the other person, and 2) I don’t build my self-worth around those external things so I’m not phased by it and will join in making fun of myself and be self-depreciating because I know my worth internally and know it has nothing to do with whatever he’s making fun of…the end result is if he does this, he takes himself from Check with the girls and puts himself in Check-mate and it’s over.

(if he’s a nice dude, I’ll back off and build his value up again for him and try to take the girls together and make a new buddy, but if he’s a dick I’ll just walk the girls away from him…they’ll follow me because I have all the high-value at that point)

This is the subtle art of the AMOG :)”

When you get out and sarge a lot you’ll interact with a lot of dudes and befriend alphas and shit and you’ll see a lot of this stuff play out. It’s not all malicious, like a group of alpha guys will all give eachother shit and try to poke at eachother’s weaknesses and shit but it’s like the wolf cubs playfighting they’re kind of just toughening you up when they give you shit. But that can be really hard to deal with when you come from an AFC mindset where you haven’t hung with alphas much and they’re hitting exposed nerves you haven’t healed over yet because you’re still developing yourself…those guys will often come off like jerks picking on you. But ironically a lot of the time when they pick on you they’re doing it because you’re giving off the externals that you CAN take it, like you DO have your shit handled…they won’t pick on a legitimately externally awkward buddy because that’s just being a bully. But there’s this limbo period where your externals say “I can take a little ribbing” but your internals are still catching up to that and are flipping their shit as your alpha buddies poke at you…so in a way it’s a COMPLIMENT to your externals.

(that doesn’t mean some alphas aren’t asshole dickhead bullies, but like, most of them are good dudes who are just instinctively helping you learn to hold your frame and get over your insecurities)


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on March 16th, 2016 at 5:01 am
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Also a lot of naturally alpha guys you meet can’t wrap their head around the idea of a dude who’s externally confident but internally insecure. Like they see you as the external you, so they often don’t realize their wolfcub playfighting prodding at you is triggering insecurities because they just assume since you’re externally cool that you must have always been like that because that’s the world they’ve known. So they’ll often have NO IDEA that you’re getting butthurt when they joke about you not getting laid and if they knew it was legitimately hurting you they wouldn’t do it to you. They just don’t really have a frame of reference for a “learned alpha” going through those stages where his externals and internals aren’t aligned yet (aka he’s still faking it and hasn’t quite made it yet).

Hanging with natural alphas will force you to confront a LOT of your insecurities. Some of them ARE just assholes but when you get your internals handled you’ll often realize that most of them viewed you as a legitimate friend and just didn’t realize you were still a barrel of insecurity under the surface they saw and you’ll be able to let the bad feels go.


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on March 16th, 2016 at 5:01 am
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Also a lot of naturally alpha guys you meet can’t wrap their head around the idea of a dude who’s externally confident but internally insecure. Like they see you as the external you, so they often don’t realize their wolfcub playfighting prodding at you is triggering insecurities because they just assume since you’re externally cool that you must have always been like that because that’s the world they’ve known. So they’ll often have NO IDEA that you’re getting butthurt when they joke about you not getting laid and if they knew it was legitimately hurting you they wouldn’t do it to you. They just don’t really have a frame of reference for a “learned alpha” going through those stages where his externals and internals aren’t aligned yet (aka he’s still faking it and hasn’t quite made it yet).

Hanging with natural alphas will force you to confront a LOT of your insecurities. Some of them ARE just assholes but when you get your internals handled you’ll often realize that most of them viewed you as a legitimate friend and just didn’t realize you were still a barrel of insecurity under the surface they saw and you’ll be able to let the bad feels go.


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