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on March 2nd, 2016 at 3:02 pm
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@Bromeo
“PUA’s def deserve respect to a point but they are purely operating on “learned game”, to the point where they see no use for internal game”

Want me to link like 400 PUA vids about internal game?

“or raising value, in their minds its not even required because “learned game” trumps all, I see it all the time, “you don’t need to be jacked, you don’t need money or a sick car, just get out there and practice game bro””

Yup. You don’t NEED those things to get hot girls. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make those things into personal goals for your own benefit, but they’re irrelevant when it comes to girls. That’s why I can link you another 400 videos of Tyler and pretty much every other PUA telling guys to handle their shit (money, gym, etc) on the side. We just want guys to understand that not having those things handled shouldn’t prevent you from walking up to a hot girl and opening her, because a man’s internal view of himself is what’s attractive to women and you build internal confidence by going out and approaching girls and learning that you have value by default just by being a fucking MAN and all that other stuff is just shit you should do for fun.

All we’re saying is that that stuff isn’t necessary to getting girls and shouldn’t hold a guy back from approaching them.

And on the finance stuff since you seem like you’re going to keep bringing it up and I should probably explain it so you can quit embarrassing yourself by trying to use that as some kind of leverage jab at the lifestyle lol, as I’ve explained before: I spent my 20s and early 30s learning to fuck hot girls without needing money, career, a car, looks, etc. Now in my mid-30s I can work on those things with all my ample free time that comes from being an older man with friends who’ve settled down and don’t come out anymore etc. A LOT of other people chose to waste their 20s chasing money and advancing their careers and are now lonely in their 30s with a bunch of money looks a nice car etc and no pussy to enjoy it with (or my scraps, as girls show me the guys they’ve dated and we lol together at the txts they get from these rich good-looking chode guys begging to take them out to dinner).

The order of my priorities were the reverse of the blue pill “work hard and get a good job in your 20s, then find a wife in your 30s” order ’cause I figured out fast that I’d rather be running around nightclubs in my 20s learning game than in my late 30s.

My finances will be on track in a couple years doing a job that I love and right now I’m single with no expenses except my rent, no responsibilities to anyone but myself, no kids to worry about, no divorce baggage, I have enough game to keep my dick happy (and girls happily buy me dinner and shit since I’m honest about my money situation), and when I DO get my finances handled I’m going to have my 20s and 30s worth of good memories and women, plus enough bank to be happy.

And if I DO decide to settle down, I’ll be able to pick the highest-quality girl from a harem of them and start popping out babies and shit…compared to a lot of “successful” rich/good-looking/etc dudes with nice cars who are divorced from their highschool sweetheart (shoulda learned game, bro), or is still a virgin (shoulda learned game bro), or spent his 20s and 30s being in shitty relationships with low quality/average/ugly women not suitable to settle with (shoulda learned game bro), and is now 40 and trying to approach girls for the first time or having to make do with damaged Tinder scraps of his appropriate dating age range.

Being “poor” for a single guy with game in his 30s just means I have to charm girls into fucking me without taking them out to an expensive dinner, and that when I’m not chasing them around I’m working instead of playing xbox or watching Game of Thrones or smoking weed in a basement. It’s really not as bad as it sounds, I’ve met a LOT of guys over the years who followed the traditional route and when they see my lifestyle they tell me flat out would trade places with me in a heartbeat if they could lol

Now a couple hours after I finish posting this comment, I have a hot mid-20s girl coming over (paying for her own cab), to spend the evening hanging out. We’ll order food at some point (she’ll pay for it because she’s a total sweetie and understands my financial situation), but I DID splurge a bit on a bottle of the cheapest wine at the liquor store…throw in a romantic bubble bath with a few cheap candles and soft music, and sprinkle in rounds of sex in-between during and after all this stuff followed by laying in bed with both of us sexed out and her cuddled up to me talking about her hopes and dreams as we drift off to sleep and it’s going to be a pretty fucking fun night.

Now I COULD be working, and that would probably help me in the long-run I’m sure, it would be good to have an extra day of pay under my belt someday, I’m sure when I’m 45 I’ll have a use for an extra hundred bucks or whatever and be like “I sure am glad I passed up that girl to work that night, I have had NO DAYS in the past 10 years where I could just shuffle things around a bit and skip watching some Game of Thrones episodes to work a few extra hours to make up for missing the hours I’d have spend with that girl”

But it’s like that story of the fisherman VS the businessman who wants to make him rich so he can retire and fish all day: even if I worked my ass off to earn money, a fancy condo, an expensive car, a ripped jacked body, etc, what would I DO with it? …I’d use it to find a fun cute girl to sip wine and take a bubble bath with and fuck all night. :)


YaReally
on March 3rd, 2016 at 9:45 am
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“For now, my new goal is to change my job and move out from my parents’ house in order to change this situation, man… just thinking in either moving out or changing job makes me feel anxious in doing it.”

Often our biggest growth comes from doing the shit that scares us. My favorite story about this is from an oldschool PUA named BradP who talked about how when he was younger he travelled to Europe alone and he was scared shitless, he didn’t speak the language and couldn’t ask for help to even like, figure out how to use a payphone there and make a call home. It forced him to step up and find a solution because what other option was there? In the end those experiences where we force ourselves out of our comfort zone and force ourselves to have to survive and make decisions when the “right” decision isn’t clear etc, those are the times where we learn “that didn’t go THAT bad, and even when I made the wrong decision I still figured out how to smooth it over…maybe I’m more capable than I realized.” and we learn to rely on ourselves.

It sounds like your current situation involves a lot of coddling yourself and avoiding risking experiencing bad emotions…playing to “not lose” instead of to “win”.

Consider getting a more social job that forces you to interact with strangers regularly…a year of bartending or sales or customer service hell working in a coffee shop or something, ANYTHING where you’re outside of a quiet server room, could do you a world of good. Ask yourself “how much would it fuck up my life to take a year away from this job/career path…could I come back to it in a year? Is there really any downside to getting my own little apartment and a more social job for a year?” I mean, if you’re stagnating where you work now, logically the next step would probably be to apply at other places to advance your career…why not take a year between that and try a more social job that scares you but forces you to interact with strangers?

Allow yourself to experience more of life. You’re not going to fuck it up beyond repair in a year. ;)

@Bromeo
“You’re missing the point here, you don’t need to separate learning game and increasing value between different time periods of your life”

Read digireaper’s comments. Do you think him hitting the gym so he can look good flexing around his parents’ house or focusing more on his lonely quiet server IT guy job is going to help him? No, you could give the guy a million dollars and a 6-pack and he would still be scared shitless to ask a stranger for the time. The guy needs to hyperfocus on game and racking up MASS social experience in as short a time as possible.

But you’re not trying to help guys like him, are you? You’re just spouting the generic dude-bro TRP shit about “lift and make money and go get bitches brah it’s easy just man up” as you pass by, and guys in digireaper’s position should just be weeded out of evolution. PUA is designed for guys like him, to get him out of the house and throwing himself into constant social situations, even if other areas of his life have to take a hit for a while till he can “catch up” to super cool guys like you who were fortunate enough to have a head start on him.

I’ve known and the PUA community has helped a shitload of guys who are sitting on piles of cash (tons of nerds have money, they don’t go out and live with their parents so they just stockpile cash a lot of the time), or on amazing career paths as doctors lawyers etc, or are good-looking etc, but just don’t have social skills. Every one of those dudes needs to be hitting the field hyperfocusing on socializing until they at LEAST just catch up to normal people’s social skills and get rid of all their weird habits and insecurities and shit, let alone start macking actual hot girls and pulling them.

You don’t have useful actionable advice for a guy like digireaper because you don’t actually give a shit about guys like him, and guys like him are more and more common especially in this technology age where these guys are growing up with texting instead of talking and entering adulthood with massively stunted social skills. They need MASSIVE field experience. They shouldn’t HAVE time to worry about their career/finances because they should be out 6+ nights/days a week if they can manage to.


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YaReally
on February 24th, 2016 at 12:40 pm
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Technology/social media/online dating/smartphones/etc has made the 80/20 more like 90/10 now, and down the road especially once VR-sex/sexdoll etc hits and men voluntarily take themselves out of the game it’ll be like 99/1. Hopefully the VR-sex/sexdoll stuff will be close enough to satisfy the Elliot Rogers’ but if not there will be some beta uprising nightmares as frustrated men take their frustration out on society.

Start learning game now, ’cause in a bar where 80% of the men have stayed home to fap to VR webcam chicks and shit, cold approach game and understanding how to use preselection and social proof etc will make you a goddamn king lol


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on February 24th, 2016 at 12:40 pm
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Technology/social media/online dating/smartphones/etc has made the 80/20 more like 90/10 now, and down the road especially once VR-sex/sexdoll etc hits and men voluntarily take themselves out of the game it’ll be like 99/1. Hopefully the VR-sex/sexdoll stuff will be close enough to satisfy the Elliot Rogers’ but if not there will be some beta uprising nightmares as frustrated men take their frustration out on society.

Start learning game now, ’cause in a bar where 80% of the men have stayed home to fap to VR webcam chicks and shit, cold approach game and understanding how to use preselection and social proof etc will make you a goddamn king lol


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on February 24th, 2016 at 12:50 pm
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on February 24th, 2016 at 12:50 pm
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@Atticus
“and making babies”

…or ARE they? πŸ˜‰

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/france-upholds-the-ban-on-paternity-tests/


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on February 27th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
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@quixotic
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A big part of why guys idealize the James Bond method is that they are BORING PEOPLE lol They aren't really consciously aware of this thought process but their brain basically goes "ok look, we aren't fun or interesting…being interesting we can fix, we can just look at a bunch of interesting facts and learn some shit, we don't really have to leave our comfort zone for that…but being FUN is HARD, it means putting your ego on the line and risking people thinking you're lame, what if you goof around and you think it's funny but other people don't, that's SCARY and will hurt your ego of being this badass player that you wanna be…so what if we can just focus on all our externals and get jacked, dress good, groom perfect, make sure our hair is flawless, wear a suit with color-coordinated pocket-squares, etc and then just post up at the bar running passive game and hope that looking like James Bond will allow us to run minimal game so that girls don't expect us to be fun." Then they bang a bunch of the aggressive HB6's that approach and open them, because the HB8+ girls are in groups with fun guys having fun not paying attention to them because to hot girls the James Bond good-looking guys are a dime a dozen and what they really want is a guy who expresses himself.

Someone else said it somewhere: girls don't want a guy that's perfect, they want a guy who's perfectly comfortable with who he is.

When I see a guy trying to be like James Bond that immediately tells me a ton about him and his insecurities and fears about expressing himself. That doesn't mean every guy has to be a dancing clown monkey, it just means that most guys are scared to let loose and really say/do what they think/want in the moment and that's why they get shit results. And that's why a guy like me can dwarf them in getting and holding a girl's attention, because they're running gay passive game (in a way pro-actively approaching would be the opposite of James Bond game, James Bond wouldn't approach, girls approach HIM, he's too COOL to approach lol).

And over time they build that up as "the way" and build huge ego investment over it and then they post advising other guys that they have to have multiple colored blazers in their closet and $300 shoes while assholes like me and the RSD guys are running around in ordinary shirts and sneakers zero fucks given and looking like this:

Their shit gets fragile too, because they're so invested in their externals that if you just make them doubt their externals in the slightest their entire frame falls apart. If you have James Bond buddies, try ruffling their nicely done hair at the bar and see if it blows their state apart…I've seen guys (and when I started out I WAS this guy lol) who will lose their shit and have to run to the bathroom to fix their hair because they're so invested in their externals. A man's frame and core confidence shouldn't be that weak lol But the more ego-invested they get into their 12% bodyfat and suits and shit, the more a simple off-hand comment by Scray about how he doesn't put any work into being in shape and implies they're try-hard to girls etc blows their frame.

And that's not even getting into the mental gymnastics that happen when a guy who believes that when he loses those extra few lbs or gets just the right color blazer, pussy will fall from the sky, gets those things and then pussy DOESN'T fall from the sky because the guys he listened to about it were guys who are bought into a fucked up value system, then they're like a Ferrari that can't drive. It's embarrassing and humiliating, they have all the tools they need to get pussy and they're still fucking up so they must be EXTRA HUGE LOSERS to not be able to pull with all those advantages. It's so fucked up and I hate when I see red pill communities encourage guys to go down a path of external validation 'cause ya, the newbie who gets a haircut and throws on a nice shirt and loses some weight will get some good results and good reference experiences as his looks make up for his socially awkward vibe at first, but he's hooking a rope around his neck for down the road when he hits the advanced plateaus that every guy hits and then he'll have to rewire all that shit. That's why I encourage guys to start fucking with their comfort zone as soon as they start getting decent results. Like at first ya, do what you gotta, but once you're getting laid regularly, fuck your comfort zone or it'll hold you back and give you all sorts of internal game issues.

"I looked like I was arrogant and above everyone else"

I found when I DID go through a phase where I was more focused on my looks, that I had to tone my game down a LOT 'cause cocky/funny became arrogant/assholish to a lot of girls. Which is again why guys who aren't fun and don't want to express themselves want to become James Bond, so they can try to get by with just being bland and boring (oops I mean cool) in their interactions. When I look average or give myself a handicap like some chubby belly or a shirt with literal holes in it etc, I can get away with being a lot more abrasive (which gets more shit-tests, which spike attraction faster when I pass them) because girls' brains think "for this guy to look like this but be THIS confident, he must have SOMETHING going for him".

And then on top of that it's like Tyler says, their RAS gives them selective focus…so when they're attracted all your flaws are ignored and your features are enhanced, and vice-versa when they lose attraction. I had a chick in my bed last week telling me she loves my muscles as she's feeling my arms and man-boobs up and when I joked about being fat she looked at me like wtf and said you're not fat and bought me an expensive dinner because I told her I don't have money etc. I don't actually have muscles lol and I'm at my heaviest right now and it's flab not muscle. And she reframed spending money on me as she has nothing else to spend it on and wants to do nice things for me. But that's all because she's currently attracted to me. Someday when she's over me (if she doesn't end up an alpha widow) she'll be like "I can't believe I liked that fatass and bought him dinners" lol

"I realized that I actually did better with girls when I was a fatter lol"

A lot of PUAs who get into sick shape report this lol But guys bought into society's blue pill value system refuse to believe it.

"Now I had become dependent on getting a good reaction from girls"

Yup, cuz if you get a BAD reaction then that invalidates all the external effort you've put in, the money you've spent, the hours at the gym, etc. So your ego can't risk getting a bad reaction, so it's safer to just not approach. You can still get laid by the HB6 that comes over to feel your muscles or touch your shirt, and you can still convince yourself you're a pimp, but you KNOW even if you're railing that girl later, that you wish she was that OTHER HOTTER girl you saw that night that didn't even glance at you or didn't give you enough of a green light ioi for you to go risk your ego approaching her.

"I was dependent on IOIs"

Yup, like most guys are, especially good-looking dudes and Naturals. The scary Naturals are the ones who DON'T care about their looks because they have internal core confidence. But I've known Naturals who are amazing with women IF they get green-light ioi Approach Invites…they literally won't approach until they've got a green light that it's going to go well. They usually fuck anything from HB2s to HB10s lol

"And I wasn’t approaching hotties, just going for 6-7s since they are easy slam dunks for first night lays or fuck buddies"

Yup. But then when you tell the story you say it was "for a laugh" or "cuz it was easy" or leave out how attractive the girl actually was, or get drunk and say it was because you were drunk, etc If you read FRs on the RVF forums you'll see a lot of those guys joke about how they were just taking the girl home "for a laugh" etc to cover up that they were just passively taking whatever girls gave them iois and they didn't even approach the hottest girl in the bar that they actually wanted, because that girl didn't check them out while they stood there James Bonding about "lizards".

Personally I have way more respect for a guy who steps up and approaches their HB10 and gets blown out hard than the guy who takes the easy HB6 lay. The guys who end up jaded with the game are usually the guys who are taking those easy layups all the time and not pushing for their personal HB9s and 10s, that's why a site like RVF has this layer of bitter angst/hate coating it and why guys like Roosh and Krauser are so miserable. That doesn't mean they haven't banged hot girls, but they still have massive internal insecurities about feeling entitled to hot girls (they feel like underdogs when they get hot girls and feel more deserving of the 6s etc) and it radiates through their shit. Meanwhile guys like the RSD crew are just skipping through life with a smile on their face even in their late 30s, 'cause they're pushing their comfort zones regularly.

"Lol like one of my buddies that has fucked over 100 girls with passive looks based game literally refused to get out of the car and go into the bars to sarge recently because he wasn’t wearing the right clothes. It was crazy to witness. This guy is a pimp but he is that tied up to his “lucky rabbits foot” externals like haircuts and clothes."

lol ya, most guys will call that guy a pussy and lol at your story and think you're hanging out with some damaged loser. But they don't realize that they'll do the exact same thing if their confidence is externally based. Like Julien says and like I've said, we know this stuff because we WERE those guys for periods of time and had to pro-actively break out of our comfort zones to get rid of those crutches. A man's confidence shouldn't be that fragile.

"Another buddy who is actually tall and handsome can’t go out to places unless they allow hats because he is very self-conscious about bald spot. :("

lol yup. Meanwhile Tyler's running around pointing out his bald spot to girls because it's self-amusing to him. And I'm telling girls to rub my belly for good luck and shit. What you feel, she feels, because girls ping off their environment to know how to feel and the strongest frame always wins…so your buddy WOULD get rejected for having a bald spot because he's self-conscious about it, while that SAME GIRL would love Tyler.

"I still go to the gym regularly because I care about my long term health (I want to follow your plan, work on myself and game, when im 45ish marry and knock up a 20 year old), I like feeling and looking good and it is actually fun to see myself get stronger/improve a weak area on my body. But I am not connecting it to success with women anymore. Its just a bonus."

This is my goal. I've NEVER said guys shouldn't go to the gym or groom well or update their wardrobe etc, do those things for YOURSELF and for your long-term health/wellness…but don't attach getting girls to them. They're irrelevant in the long-run. You WILL be ugly at some point in your life, maybe your face gets mangled in a car wreck, maybe you get a bald spot, maybe you have to work too hard to exercise and get fat, maybe you didn't happen to wear your "lucky" nice shirt out when you dropped into that grocery store and saw a hottie, etc So start basing your confidence on your internals early on, 'cause then that stuff won't affect you.

"Like damn you hit me hard one time when you posted that girls will fill in the blanks when they are into you like how you are chubby but all your girls think you are hawt."

It's hilarious to me honestly lol It's self-amusement to me to watch their hamster spin and rationalize all my flaws. But I almost NEED them to reject me for being chubby because then I would have incentive to hit the gym since I HATE working out. And my brain is like "dude, this girl with a hot body was curled up to you telling you you're not fat and was feeling up your "muscles", who needs to hit the fuckin gym???" lol The funniest is when THEY don't feel they deserve ME, like I'm out of their league to them because THEY don't have internal confidence since all of soceity programs women to base their confidence on their externals and I'm just sitting there like "is this really happening?? This hot girl is qualifying herself to me on her looks??" lol

But like I say, I know that it's because they're attracted to me (because I give them emotional impact/rollercoasters and have game)…if they lose attraction for me someday, they'll only see my flaws and will rationalize away any of my good qualities. That's also why handling Buyer's Remorse is so important for avoiding False Rape Accusations…if you handle BR properly, the girl continues to focus on your good qualities and minimizes your bad. But if you fuck up handling BR, the girl 180s and focuses on your bad qualities and minimizes your good, which puts her into "omg I must've been raped" territory because all she sees are your bad qualities and all she remembers are any negative moments you two had (or she'll literally interpret positive/neutral moments AS negative in that mindset).

"one of my plates is very fit she lifts and squats and has tons of hot guy gym rat friends who get lots of ass but these are obsessed with their own looks which she finds a turn off."

One of the weirdest glitches to me is that you would think the gym bunny girls would only want the jacked gym dudes, but a LOT of them have been around those guys enough to be turned off by how obsessed they are with their externals and how insecure they are underneath it (that's not to say all of them are like that, there are gym bros who are fully internally confident and don't obsess over their looks or lose confidence if they aren't perfectly sculpted…it's just that the gym draws a LOT of guys who are trying to make up for a lack of internal confidence), and when they meet one of us chubby/skinny manlet PUAs our confidence is so refreshing that it's like we have the internals they WANT those jacked guys to have because that's what's ACTUALLY attractive to them, so they rationalize away our looks.

"Anyways when we fuck she always “feels my abs” lol I don’t have any abs just a gut but she is so turned on by me her mind fills in the blanks of what she wants to see and she makes me perfect in her mind. Its crazy to see."

lol ya I think guys have trouble relating to this because we're more logical. If I have a 300lbs whale in my bed, nothing she says or does will convince my brain she isn't a 300lbs whale lol But girls are different, they run on all these other attraction triggers. Ryan Gosling's face looks like a melted GI Joe figure, but he's super sexy to girls because all of the media has told them he's sexy and all his movie roles have him acting LIKE a guy who's sexy, and they ping off their environment for how to feel etc so Ryan Gosling IS sexy to them.

"Anyways I am actively working to look like shit all the time now lol it really does make it easier to feel laid back when you look like crap and you can always dress up if you want to look fancy. It definitely is an alpha signal of DGAF to approach when you look like you just rolled out a dumpster and if you can just force yourself to act like it’s no big deal, then it really isn’t a big deal."

lol I mean you don't have to like, cover yourself in garbage and shit. But ya, you should be able to game with the same level of confidence just rolling out of bed with bed-head hair and throwing on an old sweater, as you can when you're wearing a suit perfectly groomed. Like you should feel as entitled to approach and get a hot girl looking like crap as you do when you're done up. That's the ultimate goal, that's when you have 100% internal confidence.

And this'll happen from going out a lot…like I say, when you go out a lot you eventually hit nights where you're like "ah my lucky shirt isn't washed oh well fuck it" or you get dragged to a bar dressed bad or you haven't had time for a haircut etc and you're forced to sarge and get iois and are like "wait wtf?? Maybe that stuff DOESN'T matter…" But you'd never figure that out if you stayed in keyboard jockeying on the internet.

"Anyways I am trying to be a thrill of the hunt guy; you make it sound so fun. Any tips for dealing with this?"

No idea man, to be honest I'm not sure you can change it. I think it's a hardwired thing. The Blackdragon thread I always link on Thrill of the Hunt VS Pleasure of Sex might have some tips in it 'cause there were a lot of PoS guys in there, but it's hard for me to relate to that mindset. I think it can definitely be harder for a PoS guy who's got a couple girls he's happy with who put out regularly, to push himself infield as hard because it's like a guy with a girlfriend sarging, he knows he can always get laid by his GF so why approach that girl if he doesn't feel like it? Whereas a TotH guy is like "ya I just banged the hottest girl of my life last week, and she's texting me to come over tonight, but I see an even HOTTER one so fuck replying to that other one, I wanna try to get THIS one!!" lol I think TotH guys go through a lot more dry spells because of it though, which would be torture to a PoS guy, so there's pros and cons to both sides.

Just gotta find ways that work for you. If you wanted to get extreme you could do shit like delete their phone numbers so that you can't initiate texts so that if they don't text you you HAVE to go on the hunt ('cause you can't just txt them to see if they want to hang out) etc but that's getting into pretty hardcore territory lol

"Dude really good point I fucked up by not saying “can you meet later” like it would have taken half a second and it would have shown my intent again. I feel like I could have fucked her that night if I could have isolated. I will try that line. I remember watching that vid you linked of Julien standing outside the bar in Toronto and having to say “just give me 2 minutes to say goodbye” to her friends when he tried to isolate her."

Yup. I think Julien's game looks like it does BECAUSE he's adapted to this ADD culture of 2016…like he's out 6 nights/days a week or whatever doing this shit all around the world and his game has just morphed into "what works" and he's figured out that hard qualifying the number and pushing for "can you ditch your friend and meet me later" and "just 2 minutes to say goodbye" etc work. I'm currently working on putting a lot of that stuff into my own game…I was running oldschool stuff till recently and relying HEAVILY on text game but I had a massive string of flakes for like 2 months straight, just retarded shit and that was where I started looking for answers and looked at Julien's stuff (especially his PIMP section on closing) deeper and was like "ohhh, shit, this is what I should be doing, this makes sense".

"I will keep writing field reports and go out for the good of mankind lol"

lol good stuff. FRs help the person writing them as well as the people reading them. They're vital. Any good PUA did his FRs even if he didn't share them with anyone or just shared them with a close buddy etc.

@Rollo
"The only point of difference I have with YaReally & RSD is that while I think Game and your headspace are the most important, physical attractiveness plays an important part in attraction on a visceral level. Combine the two and you’re unstoppable."

The nuances we would point out are just that:

1) visceral level attraction is only relevant if you're running passive game, which guys shouldn't be doing in the first place because no matter how good-looking or rich you are there will ALWAYS be someone better looking and richer…if you wanna run online dating site game, ya get a 6-pack, you'll clean up and can compete with all the other 6-pack guys on there battling over the lowest body-fat %, but in real life game where you approach girls and build social circles etc, visceral attraction is pretty much irrelevant 'cause the guy who's expressing himself will dwarf the guys who have visceral attraction unless that guy also has sick game which, if he spent a ton of time in the gym because he thought looking good was the key to getting women, he probably doesn't have great game and is able to get away with just going immediately for rapport which is fine if no one interferes (as I've always said) or has more charisma around him.

and 2) the combination of the two is extremely rare…an older guy who's had success taking up the gym will probably have a better shot at combining the two than a younger guy because the younger guy doesn't have reference experiences of getting girls WITHOUT the gym time, so when he gets that dopamine rush of getting a girl his brain is like "all these factors must have been relevant to get her" and since society and the TRP forums etc are telling him it's his lifting that's doing it, he ends up 10 years down the road fully believing his looks are relevant. Whereas if I took up the gym now or Tyler got jacked, we would already know our looks are irrelevant because we've had enough success without them to have a good internal balance.

Ideally we'd like to see newbies get in shape after they understand how irrelevant it is, so their confidence is based on their internals not their externals, rather than promoting a quick fix that does longer term damage if they aren't able to keep those externals up later in life. And we want guys approaching instead of sitting back playing passive game because the passive game guys are the ones who will end up fucking HB6s and ending up jaded and frustrated like Roosh and Krauser because they're never really getting what they WANT they're just getting what they think they deserve and their view of what they deserve is lower than it should be because they aren't taking the action they should be taking to fuck their limiting beliefs up.

I'm all for guys being healthy, but like, a lot of these guys aren't going to play on stage in Hollywood banging hot groupies and then run a business involving being around hot young promo models where ya, you can get away with being more passive letting the groupies come to you, or just focusing on ordering people around at work and the girls will fawn over you. A lot of these guys learning game are going to work in quiet offices as accountants or with a bunch of other dudes as plumbers or whatever and have to go hunt their girls out the hard way at social events or doing daygame when they run their errands. And a lot of those guys when they start to lose their looks and don't get the free gimme iois anymore, will settle out of scarcity because just like a lot of Naturals they think "oh shit I'm losing my mojo, I'd better settle for this one because who knows if I can get better anymore". They should be learning pro-active game for their long-term benefit.

@Sun Wukong
"why the fuck were those opens so fucking easy?"

No ego investment. You're not opening for YOU, you're opening for HIM, so your ego doesn't care if the girl reacts bad or blows you out, you have zero outcome dependence.

Understanding this can actually help you get past early-in-the-night Approach Anxiety: have your wing and yourself open for eachother, like the classic "Have you met Ted?" from How I Met Your Mother lol It takes your outcome-dependence out of it and can make it a lot easier to get the ball rolling. Part of why I'll introduce random guys I'm talking to to random girls is because I know it's probably going to go well because I have no outcome dependence involved which will make her react more receptive.

Opening indirect is another way to use this glitch…that's a big part of why it was so popular. Like I'm not HITTING ON HER, which would put my ego on the line, I'm asking her who she thinks lies more to settle an argument my buddy and I are having…so why would I have Approach Anxiety, I'm not looking to take value or get affirmation that I'm not a loser or anything. lol You can streamline this into just opening with stuff like "hey do you have the time?" or asking directions (like where the bathroom or patio is in a bar) and riff off their answer (accuse them of lying etc) and when you get an ioi shift into gaming with "I was just kidding, I know what time it is, I just wanted to say hi" and go into proper game from there.

"Side note: dude was shocked I could so fearlessly open two chicks that fast. I even managed to open a table of 5 super snotty SMU blondes afterwards, but 5 bitch shields was too many for me to break at once."

Doesn't make sense bro, you had a 6'2" attractive white dude who's an accomplished pro basketball player. According to TRP all those girls should have immediately sucked his dick as they shoved you out of the way, after all the HB7s who would feel super lucky to get a chance to meet him tell all their friends to not cockblock them and all let him buttfuck them, and then he took home the 3 hottest girls in the venue.

You clearly don't understand game, bro.

Saturday night, get the fuck out there gentlemen! Pick something to focus on tonight, laser eye-contact, cutting space, opening as many sets as possible, merging sets, kino, leading girls around the venue, pick anything but focus up.


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A big part of why guys idealize the James Bond method is that they are BORING PEOPLE lol They aren't really consciously aware of this thought process but their brain basically goes "ok look, we aren't fun or interesting…being interesting we can fix, we can just look at a bunch of interesting facts and learn some shit, we don't really have to leave our comfort zone for that…but being FUN is HARD, it means putting your ego on the line and risking people thinking you're lame, what if you goof around and you think it's funny but other people don't, that's SCARY and will hurt your ego of being this badass player that you wanna be…so what if we can just focus on all our externals and get jacked, dress good, groom perfect, make sure our hair is flawless, wear a suit with color-coordinated pocket-squares, etc and then just post up at the bar running passive game and hope that looking like James Bond will allow us to run minimal game so that girls don't expect us to be fun." Then they bang a bunch of the aggressive HB6's that approach and open them, because the HB8+ girls are in groups with fun guys having fun not paying attention to them because to hot girls the James Bond good-looking guys are a dime a dozen and what they really want is a guy who expresses himself.

Someone else said it somewhere: girls don't want a guy that's perfect, they want a guy who's perfectly comfortable with who he is.

When I see a guy trying to be like James Bond that immediately tells me a ton about him and his insecurities and fears about expressing himself. That doesn't mean every guy has to be a dancing clown monkey, it just means that most guys are scared to let loose and really say/do what they think/want in the moment and that's why they get shit results. And that's why a guy like me can dwarf them in getting and holding a girl's attention, because they're running gay passive game (in a way pro-actively approaching would be the opposite of James Bond game, James Bond wouldn't approach, girls approach HIM, he's too COOL to approach lol).

And over time they build that up as "the way" and build huge ego investment over it and then they post advising other guys that they have to have multiple colored blazers in their closet and $300 shoes while assholes like me and the RSD guys are running around in ordinary shirts and sneakers zero fucks given and looking like this:

Their shit gets fragile too, because they're so invested in their externals that if you just make them doubt their externals in the slightest their entire frame falls apart. If you have James Bond buddies, try ruffling their nicely done hair at the bar and see if it blows their state apart…I've seen guys (and when I started out I WAS this guy lol) who will lose their shit and have to run to the bathroom to fix their hair because they're so invested in their externals. A man's frame and core confidence shouldn't be that weak lol But the more ego-invested they get into their 12% bodyfat and suits and shit, the more a simple off-hand comment by Scray about how he doesn't put any work into being in shape and implies they're try-hard to girls etc blows their frame.

And that's not even getting into the mental gymnastics that happen when a guy who believes that when he loses those extra few lbs or gets just the right color blazer, pussy will fall from the sky, gets those things and then pussy DOESN'T fall from the sky because the guys he listened to about it were guys who are bought into a fucked up value system, then they're like a Ferrari that can't drive. It's embarrassing and humiliating, they have all the tools they need to get pussy and they're still fucking up so they must be EXTRA HUGE LOSERS to not be able to pull with all those advantages. It's so fucked up and I hate when I see red pill communities encourage guys to go down a path of external validation 'cause ya, the newbie who gets a haircut and throws on a nice shirt and loses some weight will get some good results and good reference experiences as his looks make up for his socially awkward vibe at first, but he's hooking a rope around his neck for down the road when he hits the advanced plateaus that every guy hits and then he'll have to rewire all that shit. That's why I encourage guys to start fucking with their comfort zone as soon as they start getting decent results. Like at first ya, do what you gotta, but once you're getting laid regularly, fuck your comfort zone or it'll hold you back and give you all sorts of internal game issues.

"I looked like I was arrogant and above everyone else"

I found when I DID go through a phase where I was more focused on my looks, that I had to tone my game down a LOT 'cause cocky/funny became arrogant/assholish to a lot of girls. Which is again why guys who aren't fun and don't want to express themselves want to become James Bond, so they can try to get by with just being bland and boring (oops I mean cool) in their interactions. When I look average or give myself a handicap like some chubby belly or a shirt with literal holes in it etc, I can get away with being a lot more abrasive (which gets more shit-tests, which spike attraction faster when I pass them) because girls' brains think "for this guy to look like this but be THIS confident, he must have SOMETHING going for him".

And then on top of that it's like Tyler says, their RAS gives them selective focus…so when they're attracted all your flaws are ignored and your features are enhanced, and vice-versa when they lose attraction. I had a chick in my bed last week telling me she loves my muscles as she's feeling my arms and man-boobs up and when I joked about being fat she looked at me like wtf and said you're not fat and bought me an expensive dinner because I told her I don't have money etc. I don't actually have muscles lol and I'm at my heaviest right now and it's flab not muscle. And she reframed spending money on me as she has nothing else to spend it on and wants to do nice things for me. But that's all because she's currently attracted to me. Someday when she's over me (if she doesn't end up an alpha widow) she'll be like "I can't believe I liked that fatass and bought him dinners" lol

"I realized that I actually did better with girls when I was a fatter lol"

A lot of PUAs who get into sick shape report this lol But guys bought into society's blue pill value system refuse to believe it.

"Now I had become dependent on getting a good reaction from girls"

Yup, cuz if you get a BAD reaction then that invalidates all the external effort you've put in, the money you've spent, the hours at the gym, etc. So your ego can't risk getting a bad reaction, so it's safer to just not approach. You can still get laid by the HB6 that comes over to feel your muscles or touch your shirt, and you can still convince yourself you're a pimp, but you KNOW even if you're railing that girl later, that you wish she was that OTHER HOTTER girl you saw that night that didn't even glance at you or didn't give you enough of a green light ioi for you to go risk your ego approaching her.

"I was dependent on IOIs"

Yup, like most guys are, especially good-looking dudes and Naturals. The scary Naturals are the ones who DON'T care about their looks because they have internal core confidence. But I've known Naturals who are amazing with women IF they get green-light ioi Approach Invites…they literally won't approach until they've got a green light that it's going to go well. They usually fuck anything from HB2s to HB10s lol

"And I wasn’t approaching hotties, just going for 6-7s since they are easy slam dunks for first night lays or fuck buddies"

Yup. But then when you tell the story you say it was "for a laugh" or "cuz it was easy" or leave out how attractive the girl actually was, or get drunk and say it was because you were drunk, etc If you read FRs on the RVF forums you'll see a lot of those guys joke about how they were just taking the girl home "for a laugh" etc to cover up that they were just passively taking whatever girls gave them iois and they didn't even approach the hottest girl in the bar that they actually wanted, because that girl didn't check them out while they stood there James Bonding about "lizards".

Personally I have way more respect for a guy who steps up and approaches their HB10 and gets blown out hard than the guy who takes the easy HB6 lay. The guys who end up jaded with the game are usually the guys who are taking those easy layups all the time and not pushing for their personal HB9s and 10s, that's why a site like RVF has this layer of bitter angst/hate coating it and why guys like Roosh and Krauser are so miserable. That doesn't mean they haven't banged hot girls, but they still have massive internal insecurities about feeling entitled to hot girls (they feel like underdogs when they get hot girls and feel more deserving of the 6s etc) and it radiates through their shit. Meanwhile guys like the RSD crew are just skipping through life with a smile on their face even in their late 30s, 'cause they're pushing their comfort zones regularly.

"Lol like one of my buddies that has fucked over 100 girls with passive looks based game literally refused to get out of the car and go into the bars to sarge recently because he wasn’t wearing the right clothes. It was crazy to witness. This guy is a pimp but he is that tied up to his “lucky rabbits foot” externals like haircuts and clothes."

lol ya, most guys will call that guy a pussy and lol at your story and think you're hanging out with some damaged loser. But they don't realize that they'll do the exact same thing if their confidence is externally based. Like Julien says and like I've said, we know this stuff because we WERE those guys for periods of time and had to pro-actively break out of our comfort zones to get rid of those crutches. A man's confidence shouldn't be that fragile.

"Another buddy who is actually tall and handsome can’t go out to places unless they allow hats because he is very self-conscious about bald spot. :("

lol yup. Meanwhile Tyler's running around pointing out his bald spot to girls because it's self-amusing to him. And I'm telling girls to rub my belly for good luck and shit. What you feel, she feels, because girls ping off their environment to know how to feel and the strongest frame always wins…so your buddy WOULD get rejected for having a bald spot because he's self-conscious about it, while that SAME GIRL would love Tyler.

"I still go to the gym regularly because I care about my long term health (I want to follow your plan, work on myself and game, when im 45ish marry and knock up a 20 year old), I like feeling and looking good and it is actually fun to see myself get stronger/improve a weak area on my body. But I am not connecting it to success with women anymore. Its just a bonus."

This is my goal. I've NEVER said guys shouldn't go to the gym or groom well or update their wardrobe etc, do those things for YOURSELF and for your long-term health/wellness…but don't attach getting girls to them. They're irrelevant in the long-run. You WILL be ugly at some point in your life, maybe your face gets mangled in a car wreck, maybe you get a bald spot, maybe you have to work too hard to exercise and get fat, maybe you didn't happen to wear your "lucky" nice shirt out when you dropped into that grocery store and saw a hottie, etc So start basing your confidence on your internals early on, 'cause then that stuff won't affect you.

"Like damn you hit me hard one time when you posted that girls will fill in the blanks when they are into you like how you are chubby but all your girls think you are hawt."

It's hilarious to me honestly lol It's self-amusement to me to watch their hamster spin and rationalize all my flaws. But I almost NEED them to reject me for being chubby because then I would have incentive to hit the gym since I HATE working out. And my brain is like "dude, this girl with a hot body was curled up to you telling you you're not fat and was feeling up your "muscles", who needs to hit the fuckin gym???" lol The funniest is when THEY don't feel they deserve ME, like I'm out of their league to them because THEY don't have internal confidence since all of soceity programs women to base their confidence on their externals and I'm just sitting there like "is this really happening?? This hot girl is qualifying herself to me on her looks??" lol

But like I say, I know that it's because they're attracted to me (because I give them emotional impact/rollercoasters and have game)…if they lose attraction for me someday, they'll only see my flaws and will rationalize away any of my good qualities. That's also why handling Buyer's Remorse is so important for avoiding False Rape Accusations…if you handle BR properly, the girl continues to focus on your good qualities and minimizes your bad. But if you fuck up handling BR, the girl 180s and focuses on your bad qualities and minimizes your good, which puts her into "omg I must've been raped" territory because all she sees are your bad qualities and all she remembers are any negative moments you two had (or she'll literally interpret positive/neutral moments AS negative in that mindset).

"one of my plates is very fit she lifts and squats and has tons of hot guy gym rat friends who get lots of ass but these are obsessed with their own looks which she finds a turn off."

One of the weirdest glitches to me is that you would think the gym bunny girls would only want the jacked gym dudes, but a LOT of them have been around those guys enough to be turned off by how obsessed they are with their externals and how insecure they are underneath it (that's not to say all of them are like that, there are gym bros who are fully internally confident and don't obsess over their looks or lose confidence if they aren't perfectly sculpted…it's just that the gym draws a LOT of guys who are trying to make up for a lack of internal confidence), and when they meet one of us chubby/skinny manlet PUAs our confidence is so refreshing that it's like we have the internals they WANT those jacked guys to have because that's what's ACTUALLY attractive to them, so they rationalize away our looks.

"Anyways when we fuck she always “feels my abs” lol I don’t have any abs just a gut but she is so turned on by me her mind fills in the blanks of what she wants to see and she makes me perfect in her mind. Its crazy to see."

lol ya I think guys have trouble relating to this because we're more logical. If I have a 300lbs whale in my bed, nothing she says or does will convince my brain she isn't a 300lbs whale lol But girls are different, they run on all these other attraction triggers. Ryan Gosling's face looks like a melted GI Joe figure, but he's super sexy to girls because all of the media has told them he's sexy and all his movie roles have him acting LIKE a guy who's sexy, and they ping off their environment for how to feel etc so Ryan Gosling IS sexy to them.

"Anyways I am actively working to look like shit all the time now lol it really does make it easier to feel laid back when you look like crap and you can always dress up if you want to look fancy. It definitely is an alpha signal of DGAF to approach when you look like you just rolled out a dumpster and if you can just force yourself to act like it’s no big deal, then it really isn’t a big deal."

lol I mean you don't have to like, cover yourself in garbage and shit. But ya, you should be able to game with the same level of confidence just rolling out of bed with bed-head hair and throwing on an old sweater, as you can when you're wearing a suit perfectly groomed. Like you should feel as entitled to approach and get a hot girl looking like crap as you do when you're done up. That's the ultimate goal, that's when you have 100% internal confidence.

And this'll happen from going out a lot…like I say, when you go out a lot you eventually hit nights where you're like "ah my lucky shirt isn't washed oh well fuck it" or you get dragged to a bar dressed bad or you haven't had time for a haircut etc and you're forced to sarge and get iois and are like "wait wtf?? Maybe that stuff DOESN'T matter…" But you'd never figure that out if you stayed in keyboard jockeying on the internet.

"Anyways I am trying to be a thrill of the hunt guy; you make it sound so fun. Any tips for dealing with this?"

No idea man, to be honest I'm not sure you can change it. I think it's a hardwired thing. The Blackdragon thread I always link on Thrill of the Hunt VS Pleasure of Sex might have some tips in it 'cause there were a lot of PoS guys in there, but it's hard for me to relate to that mindset. I think it can definitely be harder for a PoS guy who's got a couple girls he's happy with who put out regularly, to push himself infield as hard because it's like a guy with a girlfriend sarging, he knows he can always get laid by his GF so why approach that girl if he doesn't feel like it? Whereas a TotH guy is like "ya I just banged the hottest girl of my life last week, and she's texting me to come over tonight, but I see an even HOTTER one so fuck replying to that other one, I wanna try to get THIS one!!" lol I think TotH guys go through a lot more dry spells because of it though, which would be torture to a PoS guy, so there's pros and cons to both sides.

Just gotta find ways that work for you. If you wanted to get extreme you could do shit like delete their phone numbers so that you can't initiate texts so that if they don't text you you HAVE to go on the hunt ('cause you can't just txt them to see if they want to hang out) etc but that's getting into pretty hardcore territory lol

"Dude really good point I fucked up by not saying “can you meet later” like it would have taken half a second and it would have shown my intent again. I feel like I could have fucked her that night if I could have isolated. I will try that line. I remember watching that vid you linked of Julien standing outside the bar in Toronto and having to say “just give me 2 minutes to say goodbye” to her friends when he tried to isolate her."

Yup. I think Julien's game looks like it does BECAUSE he's adapted to this ADD culture of 2016…like he's out 6 nights/days a week or whatever doing this shit all around the world and his game has just morphed into "what works" and he's figured out that hard qualifying the number and pushing for "can you ditch your friend and meet me later" and "just 2 minutes to say goodbye" etc work. I'm currently working on putting a lot of that stuff into my own game…I was running oldschool stuff till recently and relying HEAVILY on text game but I had a massive string of flakes for like 2 months straight, just retarded shit and that was where I started looking for answers and looked at Julien's stuff (especially his PIMP section on closing) deeper and was like "ohhh, shit, this is what I should be doing, this makes sense".

"I will keep writing field reports and go out for the good of mankind lol"

lol good stuff. FRs help the person writing them as well as the people reading them. They're vital. Any good PUA did his FRs even if he didn't share them with anyone or just shared them with a close buddy etc.

@Rollo
"The only point of difference I have with YaReally & RSD is that while I think Game and your headspace are the most important, physical attractiveness plays an important part in attraction on a visceral level. Combine the two and you’re unstoppable."

The nuances we would point out are just that:

1) visceral level attraction is only relevant if you're running passive game, which guys shouldn't be doing in the first place because no matter how good-looking or rich you are there will ALWAYS be someone better looking and richer…if you wanna run online dating site game, ya get a 6-pack, you'll clean up and can compete with all the other 6-pack guys on there battling over the lowest body-fat %, but in real life game where you approach girls and build social circles etc, visceral attraction is pretty much irrelevant 'cause the guy who's expressing himself will dwarf the guys who have visceral attraction unless that guy also has sick game which, if he spent a ton of time in the gym because he thought looking good was the key to getting women, he probably doesn't have great game and is able to get away with just going immediately for rapport which is fine if no one interferes (as I've always said) or has more charisma around him.

and 2) the combination of the two is extremely rare…an older guy who's had success taking up the gym will probably have a better shot at combining the two than a younger guy because the younger guy doesn't have reference experiences of getting girls WITHOUT the gym time, so when he gets that dopamine rush of getting a girl his brain is like "all these factors must have been relevant to get her" and since society and the TRP forums etc are telling him it's his lifting that's doing it, he ends up 10 years down the road fully believing his looks are relevant. Whereas if I took up the gym now or Tyler got jacked, we would already know our looks are irrelevant because we've had enough success without them to have a good internal balance.

Ideally we'd like to see newbies get in shape after they understand how irrelevant it is, so their confidence is based on their internals not their externals, rather than promoting a quick fix that does longer term damage if they aren't able to keep those externals up later in life. And we want guys approaching instead of sitting back playing passive game because the passive game guys are the ones who will end up fucking HB6s and ending up jaded and frustrated like Roosh and Krauser because they're never really getting what they WANT they're just getting what they think they deserve and their view of what they deserve is lower than it should be because they aren't taking the action they should be taking to fuck their limiting beliefs up.

I'm all for guys being healthy, but like, a lot of these guys aren't going to play on stage in Hollywood banging hot groupies and then run a business involving being around hot young promo models where ya, you can get away with being more passive letting the groupies come to you, or just focusing on ordering people around at work and the girls will fawn over you. A lot of these guys learning game are going to work in quiet offices as accountants or with a bunch of other dudes as plumbers or whatever and have to go hunt their girls out the hard way at social events or doing daygame when they run their errands. And a lot of those guys when they start to lose their looks and don't get the free gimme iois anymore, will settle out of scarcity because just like a lot of Naturals they think "oh shit I'm losing my mojo, I'd better settle for this one because who knows if I can get better anymore". They should be learning pro-active game for their long-term benefit.

@Sun Wukong
"why the fuck were those opens so fucking easy?"

No ego investment. You're not opening for YOU, you're opening for HIM, so your ego doesn't care if the girl reacts bad or blows you out, you have zero outcome dependence.

Understanding this can actually help you get past early-in-the-night Approach Anxiety: have your wing and yourself open for eachother, like the classic "Have you met Ted?" from How I Met Your Mother lol It takes your outcome-dependence out of it and can make it a lot easier to get the ball rolling. Part of why I'll introduce random guys I'm talking to to random girls is because I know it's probably going to go well because I have no outcome dependence involved which will make her react more receptive.

Opening indirect is another way to use this glitch…that's a big part of why it was so popular. Like I'm not HITTING ON HER, which would put my ego on the line, I'm asking her who she thinks lies more to settle an argument my buddy and I are having…so why would I have Approach Anxiety, I'm not looking to take value or get affirmation that I'm not a loser or anything. lol You can streamline this into just opening with stuff like "hey do you have the time?" or asking directions (like where the bathroom or patio is in a bar) and riff off their answer (accuse them of lying etc) and when you get an ioi shift into gaming with "I was just kidding, I know what time it is, I just wanted to say hi" and go into proper game from there.

"Side note: dude was shocked I could so fearlessly open two chicks that fast. I even managed to open a table of 5 super snotty SMU blondes afterwards, but 5 bitch shields was too many for me to break at once."

Doesn't make sense bro, you had a 6'2" attractive white dude who's an accomplished pro basketball player. According to TRP all those girls should have immediately sucked his dick as they shoved you out of the way, after all the HB7s who would feel super lucky to get a chance to meet him tell all their friends to not cockblock them and all let him buttfuck them, and then he took home the 3 hottest girls in the venue.

You clearly don't understand game, bro.

Saturday night, get the fuck out there gentlemen! Pick something to focus on tonight, laser eye-contact, cutting space, opening as many sets as possible, merging sets, kino, leading girls around the venue, pick anything but focus up.


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“@Sun – Do you remember an FR from me a couple of months ago when out with my wing? I worked this 20 yr old hottie waitress for my wing and even number closed for him? Fyi, just as Ya predicted, my wing fucked it up. He didn’t understand she just wanted to fuck, lol…”

lol knew it. Like I say, guys can have girls throw themselves at them and still not be able to seal the deal because they have shitty game. Gotta see it in action over and over and see how surreal it is to fully accept it.

“You see, what this revealed is that I don’t see myself as entitled to 20yo, hot, petite pussy. I don’t seen myself as the prize. But I am very good at approaching – i can approach anyone just like you did and open them no problem. But I fall apart early in the set because of my subcomms due to my horrible self-image.”

I got a buddy right now I was talking about AA with and he’s like “man I can open ANYTHING, I have no Approach Anxiety, I can walk up to the hottest girl in the club and open her” But he has a very asexual vibe, he’s just the cool social guy, not the sexual threat, he’s still working on escalating and stuff, he just has a bunch of platonic conversations. So it’s like ya, of COURSE you don’t have Approach Anxiety with the really hot girls, you’re not even TRYING to fuck them. You’re just going up to them to have a “nice interaction” and make some small talk and walk away feeling like a boss before they can reject you for escalating things, trying to preserve that good feeling of their validation…but then you’re also going home with your dick in your hand lol

When he gets to where he’s going up to that hot girl fully intending to try to FUCK her, he’s going to start getting Approach Anxiety, because his ego will be on the line.

“It’s bizarre and I couldn’t see it until it was pointed out by that FR.”

That’s why I make you guys write em. :)

“What was further revealed to me as I let this sink in is that I’m content with the ego payoff of a successful open/approach. That gives me the ego gratification I seek, which was a buffer to cover up how awful I feel at times about myself and my life.”

Yup. This is most guys for the first part of their pickup journey…this can last YEARS. It’s such a human thing to just want to feel good about yourself, when all of society is telling you to feel shitty, that it’s hard NOT to chase it. ’cause who gave you the tools to just accept yourself and feel good about yourself by default? Fucking no one. That’s why communities like this are important, where WE can remind you that you have value and where when you write FRs or whatever you can remind yourself that you have value regardless of what some silly 20yo that works in a coffee shop thinks.

“I don’t just not feel entitled to pussy, I don’t feel like I’m entitled to success and love and happiness as I’ve fucked up all my chances. The negative talk beaten into me by my Dad has simply changed forms as I’ve matured, it’s never left me entirely. It’s shocking to me sometimes how accustomed I am to hating myself.”

This is most guys in society. It’s why they just numb themselves with Netflix and videogames and porn and fast food and booze and drugs etc It’s fantastic for the economy/consumerism for us to all feel shitty about ourselves and like we don’t deserve happiness unless we buy the latest (insert product here) that marketing has told us will allow us to feel better (for a time).

This is why as awesome as like, climbing mount everest and joining the army etc is, and how much that’ll teach you about yourself…nothing will teach you MORE about yourself than staring down a young hottie and putting your ego and self-worth on the line trying to fuck her. Guys who are total badasses in other areas of their life will crumble and run away and hide in the bathroom when they have to cold approach a stunner. There’s something primal about it, like your brain instinctively knows that failing with women is something to fear and often doesn’t want to confront the cold harsh truths about how you really view yourself and your worth.

“Game/applied Red Pill reveals some brutal truths about who we are and are not, and how we see ourselves, and these things are not easy to change.”

“Externals won’t do it. I’ve spent my life in an argument with myself about whether I’m “good enough” and have become accustomed to using ego buffers to bolster my sagging self esteem. It’s lipstick on a pig and these self-deceptions are the core reason I’ve skidded sideways so hard over the past 10 years. You see, when my daughter seemed to love me and my career was going well, I could stand those things up as evidence against my internal self-loathing. But now those things aren’t there.”

Yup. I told you waaaay back when you were trying to work up the determination to sandpaper a chair or something that you’re going to be starting down a path where you have to figure out who you are and what you want/deserve because now you don’t have anything to base that on, no identity, you have to find your own desires and justify HAVING them etc.

Even when you just write an FR where you say “this girl shot me down…” but then add “but the girls in the coffee shop earlier loved me”, that’s your ego fighting to preserve your player status here, worried that other guys won’t respect you or that you won’t respect yourself if you let other guys think you just failed and were a loser for a night. But you have 50+ years of wiring yourself to do that.

Again to go back to Fight Club: “it’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything”. Shit, now I wanna watch it again lol

“The trap of externals and external validation is that it never really works because self-image at its core is not about externals.”

You got it.

“And didn’t fully confront it until trying to game in earnest.”

Which is why I’m such a fucking asshole to everyone about going out and calling everyone who doesn’t go out keyboard jockeys theorizing on bullshit they don’t understand lol You HAVE to go out. Regularly. And you have to be trying to put your dick into young hotties. You can’t just observe from the sidelines or theorize. You have to be on the frontlines pushing your comfort zones.

“In my case, I’m actually alienated from myself. I abandon myself. I give up on myself.”

Yup. When your entire identity is based around externals (like taking care of your family etc) and then that external is ripped away from you it’s like ok well shit, now what, who AM I? What do I even want? Why do I feel bad for even asking that question and thinking I DESERVE to want ANYTHING? It’s fucked up and a hard road to go down because nothing in society will encourage you to deal with it, it’ll all just provide you new identities. Here you go scribblerg, here’s a Netflix account, you can be the guy who watches every episode of Game of Thrones! Here you go, here’s a videogame you can get lost in, you can run a guild in World of Warcraft and not have to think about this stuff! Here you go, here’s some fast food, just get fat and gross and then tell everyone that they don’t understand how hard it is for you because you’re so physically unattractive and rant about how only Chad Thundercock can get girls so you have an excuse to just be a sloth and wait for your coffin. Don’t worry, scribblerg, society will take care of you!! We will keep you from ever addressing those deep questions about who you are and what you want in life and how you feel about yourself, have another burger, watch another episode, play another game, there’s plenty of fish in the sea you just found the wrong one but one of them will validate you and tell you you’re okay so you can be allowed to feel good again.

“It’s so ingrained now, it’s like breathing. At a deeper level it makes me so sad and hopeless, it’s hard to explain to anyone. I kind of can’t believe I’m writing this all out here. I’m tempted to delete it. But maybe it will help some other men here,”

It will, even if they never tell you. There are guys lurking and going “fuck, this is exactly how I feel”.

“I’ve not solved this yet – but I do get some relief from it at times. A true ease about life, a nice flowing energy and optimism. But it’s not consistent or anywhere near predominant for me. But at least I know the truth now.”

Baby steps. We’re all fucked up, but all you can do is work on it and be better tomorrow. :)


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“@Sun – Do you remember an FR from me a couple of months ago when out with my wing? I worked this 20 yr old hottie waitress for my wing and even number closed for him? Fyi, just as Ya predicted, my wing fucked it up. He didn’t understand she just wanted to fuck, lol…”

lol knew it. Like I say, guys can have girls throw themselves at them and still not be able to seal the deal because they have shitty game. Gotta see it in action over and over and see how surreal it is to fully accept it.

“You see, what this revealed is that I don’t see myself as entitled to 20yo, hot, petite pussy. I don’t seen myself as the prize. But I am very good at approaching – i can approach anyone just like you did and open them no problem. But I fall apart early in the set because of my subcomms due to my horrible self-image.”

I got a buddy right now I was talking about AA with and he’s like “man I can open ANYTHING, I have no Approach Anxiety, I can walk up to the hottest girl in the club and open her” But he has a very asexual vibe, he’s just the cool social guy, not the sexual threat, he’s still working on escalating and stuff, he just has a bunch of platonic conversations. So it’s like ya, of COURSE you don’t have Approach Anxiety with the really hot girls, you’re not even TRYING to fuck them. You’re just going up to them to have a “nice interaction” and make some small talk and walk away feeling like a boss before they can reject you for escalating things, trying to preserve that good feeling of their validation…but then you’re also going home with your dick in your hand lol

When he gets to where he’s going up to that hot girl fully intending to try to FUCK her, he’s going to start getting Approach Anxiety, because his ego will be on the line.

“It’s bizarre and I couldn’t see it until it was pointed out by that FR.”

That’s why I make you guys write em. πŸ™‚

“What was further revealed to me as I let this sink in is that I’m content with the ego payoff of a successful open/approach. That gives me the ego gratification I seek, which was a buffer to cover up how awful I feel at times about myself and my life.”

Yup. This is most guys for the first part of their pickup journey…this can last YEARS. It’s such a human thing to just want to feel good about yourself, when all of society is telling you to feel shitty, that it’s hard NOT to chase it. ’cause who gave you the tools to just accept yourself and feel good about yourself by default? Fucking no one. That’s why communities like this are important, where WE can remind you that you have value and where when you write FRs or whatever you can remind yourself that you have value regardless of what some silly 20yo that works in a coffee shop thinks.

“I don’t just not feel entitled to pussy, I don’t feel like I’m entitled to success and love and happiness as I’ve fucked up all my chances. The negative talk beaten into me by my Dad has simply changed forms as I’ve matured, it’s never left me entirely. It’s shocking to me sometimes how accustomed I am to hating myself.”

This is most guys in society. It’s why they just numb themselves with Netflix and videogames and porn and fast food and booze and drugs etc It’s fantastic for the economy/consumerism for us to all feel shitty about ourselves and like we don’t deserve happiness unless we buy the latest (insert product here) that marketing has told us will allow us to feel better (for a time).

This is why as awesome as like, climbing mount everest and joining the army etc is, and how much that’ll teach you about yourself…nothing will teach you MORE about yourself than staring down a young hottie and putting your ego and self-worth on the line trying to fuck her. Guys who are total badasses in other areas of their life will crumble and run away and hide in the bathroom when they have to cold approach a stunner. There’s something primal about it, like your brain instinctively knows that failing with women is something to fear and often doesn’t want to confront the cold harsh truths about how you really view yourself and your worth.

“Game/applied Red Pill reveals some brutal truths about who we are and are not, and how we see ourselves, and these things are not easy to change.”

“Externals won’t do it. I’ve spent my life in an argument with myself about whether I’m “good enough” and have become accustomed to using ego buffers to bolster my sagging self esteem. It’s lipstick on a pig and these self-deceptions are the core reason I’ve skidded sideways so hard over the past 10 years. You see, when my daughter seemed to love me and my career was going well, I could stand those things up as evidence against my internal self-loathing. But now those things aren’t there.”

Yup. I told you waaaay back when you were trying to work up the determination to sandpaper a chair or something that you’re going to be starting down a path where you have to figure out who you are and what you want/deserve because now you don’t have anything to base that on, no identity, you have to find your own desires and justify HAVING them etc.

Even when you just write an FR where you say “this girl shot me down…” but then add “but the girls in the coffee shop earlier loved me”, that’s your ego fighting to preserve your player status here, worried that other guys won’t respect you or that you won’t respect yourself if you let other guys think you just failed and were a loser for a night. But you have 50+ years of wiring yourself to do that.

Again to go back to Fight Club: “it’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything”. Shit, now I wanna watch it again lol

“The trap of externals and external validation is that it never really works because self-image at its core is not about externals.”

You got it.

“And didn’t fully confront it until trying to game in earnest.”

Which is why I’m such a fucking asshole to everyone about going out and calling everyone who doesn’t go out keyboard jockeys theorizing on bullshit they don’t understand lol You HAVE to go out. Regularly. And you have to be trying to put your dick into young hotties. You can’t just observe from the sidelines or theorize. You have to be on the frontlines pushing your comfort zones.

“In my case, I’m actually alienated from myself. I abandon myself. I give up on myself.”

Yup. When your entire identity is based around externals (like taking care of your family etc) and then that external is ripped away from you it’s like ok well shit, now what, who AM I? What do I even want? Why do I feel bad for even asking that question and thinking I DESERVE to want ANYTHING? It’s fucked up and a hard road to go down because nothing in society will encourage you to deal with it, it’ll all just provide you new identities. Here you go scribblerg, here’s a Netflix account, you can be the guy who watches every episode of Game of Thrones! Here you go, here’s a videogame you can get lost in, you can run a guild in World of Warcraft and not have to think about this stuff! Here you go, here’s some fast food, just get fat and gross and then tell everyone that they don’t understand how hard it is for you because you’re so physically unattractive and rant about how only Chad Thundercock can get girls so you have an excuse to just be a sloth and wait for your coffin. Don’t worry, scribblerg, society will take care of you!! We will keep you from ever addressing those deep questions about who you are and what you want in life and how you feel about yourself, have another burger, watch another episode, play another game, there’s plenty of fish in the sea you just found the wrong one but one of them will validate you and tell you you’re okay so you can be allowed to feel good again.

“It’s so ingrained now, it’s like breathing. At a deeper level it makes me so sad and hopeless, it’s hard to explain to anyone. I kind of can’t believe I’m writing this all out here. I’m tempted to delete it. But maybe it will help some other men here,”

It will, even if they never tell you. There are guys lurking and going “fuck, this is exactly how I feel”.

“I’ve not solved this yet – but I do get some relief from it at times. A true ease about life, a nice flowing energy and optimism. But it’s not consistent or anywhere near predominant for me. But at least I know the truth now.”

Baby steps. We’re all fucked up, but all you can do is work on it and be better tomorrow. πŸ™‚


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“It’s a real mind-mess thing at first – it’s like “Wait? Is SHE trying to impress me with her sexuality? Because..maybe..she feels that’s the primary value she can offer to me and she’s trying to offer value to me?”.”

Yup, this. She knows instinctively what her value to you is. To the asexual chode she knows her value could be her intelligence or her driven passion in her retarded career. But to a guy who’s flipping the right attraction switches, she KNOWS her value is her pussy.

“Or as I’ve started (very recently) experimenting with takeaways and push/pull on text (stuff like “Wait, you can’t [cook/dance/whatever]? That’s it! We can’t meet up now..I like girls who [cook/dance]”).

And it is AMAZING that like 80% of girls will try to qualify themselves to you on whatever you’ve picked even the hottest ones.”

Yup. Because you’re giving them some OTHER way she could have value to you…like she knows by default it’s her pussy, but now you’re saying “oh I also look for a girl who can cook, and since I’m not giving you my full validation on your looks because I’m running proper game where I’m the prize and YOU have to impress ME, if you can COOK or qualify yourself in a way that’ll make up for you not being able to cook, THAT might get you enough points in my mind to LET you be with me.” That’s why when you say “oh you can’t cook?” and lose interest, she doesn’t say “but I have (other attribute)!!” She specifically qualifies herself on the thing that you’ve indicated has value to you.

“I need to transition this to in-person stuff – another focus area for my next Going Out Blitz (beginning 1 March).”

Good stuff. Make it a conscious part of your game to qualify them more. Julien has a game where he makes guys disagree with the girl for the first minute of the interaction, everything the girl says is wrong and everything she likes is lame and everything she hates is the best, etc It’s a good way to drop yourself into these kinds of dynamics to see what happens lol

Remember she won’t qualify herself to you if you don’t have value to her, or if she’s so massively internally validated that her self esteem is off the charts high (usually these are a handful of the 10s, girls below that usually won’t have that level of internal confidence to not need external validation from others). Like if you say “oh you can’t cook well then we can’t be together”, a girl who doesn’t value you or doesn’t need external validation will just be like “ok that’s fine lol” But if you’ve got attraction the vast majority of girls will qualify themselves to you hard…often the hotter ones more than the less hot ones because the hotter ones are more frustrated by someone not approving of them (ESPECIALLY if you’re not a traditionally attractive looking guy) whereas the uglier ones expect to not have approval of an attractive guy.

Find the episode of Friends called “The One With The Yeti”, the interaction between Rachel and the Yeti guy is a perfect example of devalidating a girl and making her qualify herself to you, in the first scenes when he’s just saying “okay” to their apology not giving them full validation and then when he shaves and she hits on him and he disses her on her shopping bags and chases him down to try to validate herself (plus the dude does solid lasers with her at his door and then cuts her thread to interrupt her leading the interaction to an insta-date in the middle of her emotional rollercoaster, which is solid shit).

OMG YAREALLY THINKZ FRIENDS IS RL LIFE HE IS KEYBOARD JOCKEY


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@Culum
“It’s a real mind-mess thing at first – it’s like “Wait? Is SHE trying to impress me with her sexuality? Because..maybe..she feels that’s the primary value she can offer to me and she’s trying to offer value to me?”.”

Yup, this. She knows instinctively what her value to you is. To the asexual chode she knows her value could be her intelligence or her driven passion in her retarded career. But to a guy who’s flipping the right attraction switches, she KNOWS her value is her pussy.

“Or as I’ve started (very recently) experimenting with takeaways and push/pull on text (stuff like “Wait, you can’t [cook/dance/whatever]? That’s it! We can’t meet up now..I like girls who [cook/dance]”).

And it is AMAZING that like 80% of girls will try to qualify themselves to you on whatever you’ve picked even the hottest ones.”

Yup. Because you’re giving them some OTHER way she could have value to you…like she knows by default it’s her pussy, but now you’re saying “oh I also look for a girl who can cook, and since I’m not giving you my full validation on your looks because I’m running proper game where I’m the prize and YOU have to impress ME, if you can COOK or qualify yourself in a way that’ll make up for you not being able to cook, THAT might get you enough points in my mind to LET you be with me.” That’s why when you say “oh you can’t cook?” and lose interest, she doesn’t say “but I have (other attribute)!!” She specifically qualifies herself on the thing that you’ve indicated has value to you.

“I need to transition this to in-person stuff – another focus area for my next Going Out Blitz (beginning 1 March).”

Good stuff. Make it a conscious part of your game to qualify them more. Julien has a game where he makes guys disagree with the girl for the first minute of the interaction, everything the girl says is wrong and everything she likes is lame and everything she hates is the best, etc It’s a good way to drop yourself into these kinds of dynamics to see what happens lol

Remember she won’t qualify herself to you if you don’t have value to her, or if she’s so massively internally validated that her self esteem is off the charts high (usually these are a handful of the 10s, girls below that usually won’t have that level of internal confidence to not need external validation from others). Like if you say “oh you can’t cook well then we can’t be together”, a girl who doesn’t value you or doesn’t need external validation will just be like “ok that’s fine lol” But if you’ve got attraction the vast majority of girls will qualify themselves to you hard…often the hotter ones more than the less hot ones because the hotter ones are more frustrated by someone not approving of them (ESPECIALLY if you’re not a traditionally attractive looking guy) whereas the uglier ones expect to not have approval of an attractive guy.

Find the episode of Friends called “The One With The Yeti”, the interaction between Rachel and the Yeti guy is a perfect example of devalidating a girl and making her qualify herself to you, in the first scenes when he’s just saying “okay” to their apology not giving them full validation and then when he shaves and she hits on him and he disses her on her shopping bags and chases him down to try to validate herself (plus the dude does solid lasers with her at his door and then cuts her thread to interrupt her leading the interaction to an insta-date in the middle of her emotional rollercoaster, which is solid shit).

OMG YAREALLY THINKZ FRIENDS IS RL LIFE HE IS KEYBOARD JOCKEY


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on February 27th, 2016 at 3:28 pm
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“@Sun – Do you remember an FR from me a couple of months ago when out with my wing? I worked this 20 yr old hottie waitress for my wing and even number closed for him? Fyi, just as Ya predicted, my wing fucked it up. He didn’t understand she just wanted to fuck, lol…”

Also one of the reasons I stress that you have to be out actively trying to fuck these girls (which isn’t to discount what Rollo says but like, frontline reports hold weight over casual observation is all), is because if you just didn’t talk to that guy again and that guy didn’t bother pursuing that girl past that number, both of you would have left that interaction thinking “this guy will definitely fuck her” and write a blog report of how your buddy was a pimp who totally nailed this girl and if he was good looking you could be like it’s because he has looks etc

Just like the guy who bathes in validation from hot girls at the bar but isn’t actually trying to stick his dick in them will never have to deal with cockblocks, interrupts, 180 mood shifts during state-breaks in venue changes, re-stoking attraction on Day2s, getting girls to not flake on them in this ADD culture, dealing with orbiters and AMOGs who are trying to fuck the girls not just chat with them, LMR, ASD, Buyer’s Remorse, etc

The guy leaving half an hour before last call because he has poon at home isn’t seeing that that good-looking guy with the girl climbing all over him gets cockblocked or drops the ball or gets a flakey number or does something that pisses the girl off or gets AMOGed or a million other things. But he goes home and says “I saw this good-looking guy with a girl on him, so looks are important with visceral bla bla” when that guy might not even BE getting laid (Forever Aloner’s on the MISC, for every guy openly an FA chode there are a hundred who just don’t have an account on there but are living that same frustrating lack of success life) or are banging HB6s and dissatisfied and don’t know how to get the hotter girls because they didn’t study game.

But when you’re pushing to the close, actual P in V with a young hottie, on the regular, you’re seeing WAY more of the dynamics going on that give you a more accurate view of how important external shit is infield.

Like I say, game is the toolbox, looks are just another tool inside that box just like social proof, preselection, dominance, laser eye-contact, etc…except that those things are way easier/faster to achieve with zero investment besides going out and talking to girls, than getting a 6-pack or getting jacked, that’s all lol

And this is why FRs are important. Enough FRs from the 40+yo guys here about how they’re getting attraction and managing to bang hot young girls makes it harder for future 40+yo guys to play the victim card and say it’s impossible for them and you younger guys don’t understand bla bla bla limiting belief bullshit. Every ugly guy’s FR, like every video Tyler puts up with girls all over him and going home with him for threesomes and shit stunts in the face of all the ugly guys crying about how looks matter and they’re disadvantaged because they didn’t win the genetic lottery etc It’s important to collect REAL evidence instead of armchair theory like reading some Harvard study or a book by some scientist guy who tells you to mirror her pheromones because he read some other science nerd’s book on the subject and neither of them get laid by anyone but their fat wives lol

That’s WHY I’m such an asshole about this looks stuff and won’t let it go. Because my buddies and I and the RSD guys etc are out there every weekend as average dudes doing stuff that other guys tell us we shouldn’t be able to do.

Skip to 2:30 for the good part but watch this whole clip and the infield spread throughout it to see WHY that girl chooses him over the taller better looking better dressed guy (like his preselection at the start)…even that guy can’t comprehend what happened when she turns around to come back to Valentino. Would ANYONE who thinks looks matter predict that happening? But it’s not a big surprise when you understand what Valentino is doing in terms of his subcomms despite his looks compared to the other guy who’s just running gay passive game (also note how she absolves herself of responsibility even in her body langauge, like she’s hands behind her back as if she just “fell” back toward him and she talks about him wanting to show her pictures etc like 100% trying to get around her own ASD and judgement from the guy lol it’s all hindbrain instinct…Skip to 3:50 for the other guy realizing he’s done and fucking off and Valentino making out with her):

I’m not even some fucking magic wizard banging harems of 10s left and right every night out there lol (now if I was going out more than I am right now (focused on work atm) and lived in a city like Vegas VS a normal big city and focused more on social circle game it’d be no problem to build a harem of 10s, and my long-term plans involve putting myself in that kind of situation before I’m 40 thus my working hard right now) But I’m doing shit out there that people who meet me don’t understand and have to try to rationalize to fit into their warped understanding of the world. Like a guy from a small town will tell me “oh it’s your big city vibe” and a guy from a big city will tell me “oh it’s your small town vibe”. They’ll just pick whatever they don’t have and rationalize what they see me doing away so they don’t have to think about it and their world continues to make sense to them.

Field is king! Get out there tonight. You can do all of this shit.


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“@Sun – Do you remember an FR from me a couple of months ago when out with my wing? I worked this 20 yr old hottie waitress for my wing and even number closed for him? Fyi, just as Ya predicted, my wing fucked it up. He didn’t understand she just wanted to fuck, lol…”

Also one of the reasons I stress that you have to be out actively trying to fuck these girls (which isn’t to discount what Rollo says but like, frontline reports hold weight over casual observation is all), is because if you just didn’t talk to that guy again and that guy didn’t bother pursuing that girl past that number, both of you would have left that interaction thinking “this guy will definitely fuck her” and write a blog report of how your buddy was a pimp who totally nailed this girl and if he was good looking you could be like it’s because he has looks etc

Just like the guy who bathes in validation from hot girls at the bar but isn’t actually trying to stick his dick in them will never have to deal with cockblocks, interrupts, 180 mood shifts during state-breaks in venue changes, re-stoking attraction on Day2s, getting girls to not flake on them in this ADD culture, dealing with orbiters and AMOGs who are trying to fuck the girls not just chat with them, LMR, ASD, Buyer’s Remorse, etc

The guy leaving half an hour before last call because he has poon at home isn’t seeing that that good-looking guy with the girl climbing all over him gets cockblocked or drops the ball or gets a flakey number or does something that pisses the girl off or gets AMOGed or a million other things. But he goes home and says “I saw this good-looking guy with a girl on him, so looks are important with visceral bla bla” when that guy might not even BE getting laid (Forever Aloner’s on the MISC, for every guy openly an FA chode there are a hundred who just don’t have an account on there but are living that same frustrating lack of success life) or are banging HB6s and dissatisfied and don’t know how to get the hotter girls because they didn’t study game.

But when you’re pushing to the close, actual P in V with a young hottie, on the regular, you’re seeing WAY more of the dynamics going on that give you a more accurate view of how important external shit is infield.

Like I say, game is the toolbox, looks are just another tool inside that box just like social proof, preselection, dominance, laser eye-contact, etc…except that those things are way easier/faster to achieve with zero investment besides going out and talking to girls, than getting a 6-pack or getting jacked, that’s all lol

And this is why FRs are important. Enough FRs from the 40+yo guys here about how they’re getting attraction and managing to bang hot young girls makes it harder for future 40+yo guys to play the victim card and say it’s impossible for them and you younger guys don’t understand bla bla bla limiting belief bullshit. Every ugly guy’s FR, like every video Tyler puts up with girls all over him and going home with him for threesomes and shit stunts in the face of all the ugly guys crying about how looks matter and they’re disadvantaged because they didn’t win the genetic lottery etc It’s important to collect REAL evidence instead of armchair theory like reading some Harvard study or a book by some scientist guy who tells you to mirror her pheromones because he read some other science nerd’s book on the subject and neither of them get laid by anyone but their fat wives lol

That’s WHY I’m such an asshole about this looks stuff and won’t let it go. Because my buddies and I and the RSD guys etc are out there every weekend as average dudes doing stuff that other guys tell us we shouldn’t be able to do.

Skip to 2:30 for the good part but watch this whole clip and the infield spread throughout it to see WHY that girl chooses him over the taller better looking better dressed guy (like his preselection at the start)…even that guy can’t comprehend what happened when she turns around to come back to Valentino. Would ANYONE who thinks looks matter predict that happening? But it’s not a big surprise when you understand what Valentino is doing in terms of his subcomms despite his looks compared to the other guy who’s just running gay passive game (also note how she absolves herself of responsibility even in her body langauge, like she’s hands behind her back as if she just “fell” back toward him and she talks about him wanting to show her pictures etc like 100% trying to get around her own ASD and judgement from the guy lol it’s all hindbrain instinct…Skip to 3:50 for the other guy realizing he’s done and fucking off and Valentino making out with her):

I’m not even some fucking magic wizard banging harems of 10s left and right every night out there lol (now if I was going out more than I am right now (focused on work atm) and lived in a city like Vegas VS a normal big city and focused more on social circle game it’d be no problem to build a harem of 10s, and my long-term plans involve putting myself in that kind of situation before I’m 40 thus my working hard right now) But I’m doing shit out there that people who meet me don’t understand and have to try to rationalize to fit into their warped understanding of the world. Like a guy from a small town will tell me “oh it’s your big city vibe” and a guy from a big city will tell me “oh it’s your small town vibe”. They’ll just pick whatever they don’t have and rationalize what they see me doing away so they don’t have to think about it and their world continues to make sense to them.

Field is king! Get out there tonight. You can do all of this shit.


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on February 27th, 2016 at 4:02 pm
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One last thing with that Valentino clip that again goes back to what I was saying. If Valentino HADN’T interrupted, that girl might’ve fucked the taller better looking guy with his gay passive game, because she’s a girl, she’s horny, he’s there, it might work out for him. That’s why I say ya looks are fine if no one interferes. But once Valentino steps in the girl gives no fucks about that dude anymore, and it’s not because Valentino is a Chad Thundercock stud lol

But anyone who just saw the interaction BEFORE Valentino stepped in, including that other dude himself, would think “that guy will get the girl, looks matter” But competing in the field reveals reality.

@fleezer
“I’d actually pay to see infield of the Rsd crew running their game on Lsd.”

Here’s the Simple Pickup guys with pot brownies:

Here’s shrooms, it doesn’t go well lol:

I think RSDJeffy smokes weed ’cause he’s in San Francisco. But I doubt he tries to run a bootcamp high, that would be a dick move to the student paying for his coaching.

“to the conventional wisdom of “I don’t trust a man who can’t trust himself with a drink” and “don’t trust anyone over thirty” I’d add “don’t trust anyone who never smoked a joint”. ”

lol I knew one of you “you can’t understand the world until you’ve done drugs, you just don’t get it man, I don’t trust a guy who doesn’t have an interest in whatever thing I think is cool” guys would come out of the woodwork the second I typed the word “drugs”, I literally almost put a disclaimer about weed. Pretty much every guy I know who does whatever type of drug says the same shit about coke and MDMA Molly booze coffee/caffiene fast food etc etc Most of them are insecure about those guys judging them for partaking and a lot of the time it’s because they can’t comprehend someone having fun and enjoying life without that stuff.

Personally I don’t care, do whatever you want, but don’t use it as a crutch (where you can only be “free” when you’re high/drunk) and don’t end up spending your Saturday night high in a basement with a bunch of guys who don’t get pussy using it as a buffer to not go handle your shit and build your self-confidence without needing crutches.


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@scribblerg
One last thing with that Valentino clip that again goes back to what I was saying. If Valentino HADN’T interrupted, that girl might’ve fucked the taller better looking guy with his gay passive game, because she’s a girl, she’s horny, he’s there, it might work out for him. That’s why I say ya looks are fine if no one interferes. But once Valentino steps in the girl gives no fucks about that dude anymore, and it’s not because Valentino is a Chad Thundercock stud lol

But anyone who just saw the interaction BEFORE Valentino stepped in, including that other dude himself, would think “that guy will get the girl, looks matter” But competing in the field reveals reality.

@fleezer
“I’d actually pay to see infield of the Rsd crew running their game on Lsd.”

Here’s the Simple Pickup guys with pot brownies:

Here’s shrooms, it doesn’t go well lol:

I think RSDJeffy smokes weed ’cause he’s in San Francisco. But I doubt he tries to run a bootcamp high, that would be a dick move to the student paying for his coaching.

“to the conventional wisdom of “I don’t trust a man who can’t trust himself with a drink” and “don’t trust anyone over thirty” I’d add “don’t trust anyone who never smoked a joint”. ”

lol I knew one of you “you can’t understand the world until you’ve done drugs, you just don’t get it man, I don’t trust a guy who doesn’t have an interest in whatever thing I think is cool” guys would come out of the woodwork the second I typed the word “drugs”, I literally almost put a disclaimer about weed. Pretty much every guy I know who does whatever type of drug says the same shit about coke and MDMA Molly booze coffee/caffiene fast food etc etc Most of them are insecure about those guys judging them for partaking and a lot of the time it’s because they can’t comprehend someone having fun and enjoying life without that stuff.

Personally I don’t care, do whatever you want, but don’t use it as a crutch (where you can only be “free” when you’re high/drunk) and don’t end up spending your Saturday night high in a basement with a bunch of guys who don’t get pussy using it as a buffer to not go handle your shit and build your self-confidence without needing crutches.


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Girls are so not funny, fuck. And Corey is a good example of a Natural. His chick he’s legally marrying is 28 (he’s 24). Maybe her pussy shoots rainbows and magic, but that chick won the lottery. He’ll probably end up tamed and reformed like Tucker Max. Thing is a lot of Naturals are killer in their prime, but they keep that madonna/whore complex and when they find a girl they think is a madonna (who they ONLY FIRST ATTRACTED BECAUSE THEY TREATED HER LIKE A WHORE and they were only first attracted because he ACTED like a guy who treats women like whores) they stop treating her the way she responded to and stop being that guy she was attracted to and boom, the badass alpha Natural is the next divorce-rape case or his girlfriend cheats etc and guys are like “how did that happen??!” But those guys generally don’t learn all this other red pill or men’s rights shit and they fall into society’s path that sabotages them.

And then everyone tells them “you just picked the wrong girl, there’s plenty of fish in the sea, you just need to find the right girl” and that guy tries again with his next madonna and next thing you know he’s another one of these 3-divorce guys…because at no point did he ever ask himself, or did society ever encourage him to ask: “What if it’s not the GIRL, but the very STRUCTURE of a monogamous LTR? What if agreeing to a monoLTR and voluntarily putting myself in a legal position where I can’t leave her etc and what that does to my vibe and how that meets her Hypergamy needs is the problem and not the girl herself?”

Shhh, don’t ask questions, just get back on the plantation.

@quixoric/quixotic

Props dude, great report. This is a great example of what I keep talking about every time I link that Julien “you are not your fucking khakis” video where he talks about breaking out of your comfort zone.

Most men won’t try going out when they aren’t at 100%…forgot to get a haircut, ehh better stay in. Don’t have your suit clean, ehh better stay in girls like guys in suits. Gained a few pounds over xmas ehh better hit the gym and get back down to 12% bodyfat before you go out, you REALLY notice a difference when you have 12% bodyfat instead of 14%, trust me bro, this one girl totally checked me out at the mall, and like, I got laid by a girl who said she liked my body so like, I’ll just hit the gym and go hard sarging next month.

It’s all retarded.

But when you go out and sarge enough, and really push yourself to the limits and you have girls on the go and you’re basically running ragged but you have enough of a social life going that people are dragging you out to the bars etc, you hit nights like this where you’re like “I don’t even fucking care, I’ll just roll out, whatever” and you have interactions like this that shove in your fucking face that your looks don’t matter and all that time you wasted worrying about your hair, your shirt, that whole closet full of clothes you spent money on, all the work you did to like, iron your shirt, all the confidence issues you picked up over the years listening to blue pill social conditioning about what women are attracted to, the expensive watch and shoes you blew a bunch of money on, the hours and hours you spent at the gym, and none of it matters.

When you have laser eye-contact locked in, she isn’t even looking at the rest of you. She’s looking in your eyes and just feeling your vibe. Over an hour she probably checked you out here and there, but when you first lock lasers and hold it as you talk, you could tell her to close her eyes and then ask her what color shirt you’re wearing or what the logo is or what type of shoes you’re wearing and she would have NO FUCKING CLUE. You might be a good-looking dude and jacked etc, I have no idea, but after last night you should be able to understand why it doesn’t matter that I have a little chub on my belly and why the RSD guys aren’t all jacked dudes…it just doesn’t matter unless you’re being passive (standing around trying to be James Bond, or doing online dating where they’re judging just on your looks). Once you get up in their space and lock laser eye-contact and communicating on that subcomm channel where the verbals you’re saying are just nonsense but you’re both communicating heavy sexual intent with your eye-contact and you start hitting their emotions they just don’t give a shit about “oh he could lose 20lbs, oh his shoes are ragged, oh his shirt is wrinkled, oh he’s 10+ years older than me”

Now if you could duplicate the internals you had last night, most of your interactions would look like that one did. But we generally can’t duplicate that because it was a perfect storm of events that led up to you rolling out with that specific vibe. But that’s the ideal you want to work toward, and those moments are where all of society’s bullshit rules about looks and externals go out the window and you see the actual matrix that most guys will never tap into.

Could you learn what you learned last night through reading shit online? Fuck no. Your brain needs “proof not promises”, you need to gather reference experiences first-hand. That’s why people can watch something like this:

(Max is 5’7″ btw, there’s a bunch of chicks taller than him in these clips for you height crybabies lol)

And they can see literally 2 HOURS of this little 5’7″ skinny dude stone cold sober tearing shit up with legit hotties that a lot of guys won’t even talk to, pulling them out of groups that a lot of guys won’t even approach (daytime, nighttime, strees, clubs, bars, lounges, malls, stores, etc). And he’s pulling these magical Eastern European chicks that the RVF forum jizzes over how they’re not like those North American slutty WHORE SLUTS they all have magical values and are all pristine virgins who wouldn’t fall for that RSD game stuff bla bla (hint: AWALT, and if girls aren’t reacting like this to you, you’re boring)

And because it doesn’t fit into their social conditioning they’ll leave comments like “PAID ACTRESSES!!!” “FAKE!!!” “SCAM!!!” “THOSE GIRLS ARE WASTED!!!” etc

Because if they accept that this shit just comes down to shifting your internal mindset, they would have to accept that they’ve wasted their entire fucking life embracing their shackles and trying to win in a rigged system. When ALL THEY HAD TO DO, and they could’ve done it at ANY point in their LIFE, is just believe they deserve hot girls and feel entitled and put out the right subcomms.

It’s a lot easier to just double-down on “well those are paid actresses, I’m gonna just hit the gym, trust me bro the TRP forums told me I gotta be jacked ’cause looks are important” and just never admit that you aren’t getting the results you want.

It’s important that guys write about these experiences, and other guys read about them, because it may inspire other guys to try pushing their own comfort zones and push forward through this shit. Part of why I don’t like the RVF is they’re all so bought into the “custom suit” nonsense that they don’t purposely push their comfort zones so they all just keep confirming that the suit stuff is important lol Like they have their RVF meetups and tell everyone to wear a suit for hitting the bars after and it’s like how about you have a meetup where you all purposely don’t get a haircut for a month, wear your oldest shittiest shirt, scuff up your shoes, etc and hit the bars. ‘course then they couldn’t just post up like James Bond and hit on the 6s that come stand beside them or compliment their suit and write a field report about how they hit on the girl “for a laugh” and went home solo or got so drunk they took a “she was a pretty respectable 6 bro nice work” girl home…they’d have to actually be pro-active and engaging.

So thanks for writing. And ya, I’m around here now.

On the FR itself:

“My buddy wanted to bounce and go try another bar.”

Fuckin guys lol This is why I like to roll with guys who study pickup, where if we see a set like that going on we’ll take the hit of not getting laid that night to let our buddy pursue it and see where it goes for the reference experience, ’cause we know we’ll be out again the next night and he’ll make up for it or pay the other guy’s cover or something.

But I get it, he dragged you out to help him and you just got laid so who cares lol I had a chick over Wed and we fucked all night till my dick was raw Thurs when I went out with my buddy so I was like I couldn’t even bang a girl if I DID meet one lol I just winged him and he got some sick reference experience pushing his comfort zone with escalating on girls which he’s been needing to work on for a long time.

But for reference:

– probably couldn’t and didn’t need to lead her away, if you tried to take her away you’d leave her fatty friend there by herself and that’s a dick move on her part so you’d probably get resistance and fuck the vibe up. Fatty was okay with letting you mack her while she could still sit beside her and not feel like a loser uggo at the bar by herself lol But try to pull her away and you’re probably gonna get resistance

– you did good with all the ignoring her at points and shit. Check out this Max infield where you can literally watch preselection hindbrain shit in action (@Rollo (this kind of footage is a red pill article in itself, it’s amazing that we can capture this shit in clear high-quality now) @Sentient @scribblerg @Sun Wukong @fucking can’t remember, whoever else goes out, lol):

Skip to 1:47:50 in that Max 4K video and watch this set…pay attention to how the brunette cougar acts after Max starts talking to the blonde cougar. This is what understanding preselection, social proof, jealousy plotlines, etc creates. Watch how as he keeps ignoring the brunette not only does the brunette get up and walk around to get some water to try to get his attention, but the blonde calls it out because SHE can see it too and knows exactly what’s up, which just increases her OWN attraction for him. Also listen to the actual set, this girl goes on and on about how she’s in love with this guy who won’t txt her back and he makes her feel butterflies for the first time in years and she’s going to see him tomorrow and omg she’s so in love and she’d never sleep with Max he’s a player and has told her he has 2 girlfriends and he was just hitting on that brunette she should think he’s a douchebag and ditch him especially after he reams her out for her life choices scolding her like she’s a little girl (rollercoaster of good and bad emotions, emotional IMPACT cutting to her fucking SOUL, giving her the daddy energy she needs etc), and then SHE extracts and pulls HIM to her place to fuck her and is bribing him with coconut water because he told her he doesn’t drink and only drinks healthy shit…she’s literally bribing him to fuck her. The amount of red pill concept verification in that little clip is off the charts.

– if you had stayed you could probably pull her, fatty would get herself home and your buddy fucks off and you two just go home to fuck, seems 100% on to me

– but because you had to go you didn’t have much choice with the number close…Julien’s got good stuff in PIMP on number closing and the follow-up, let us know if you get this girl out and actually P in V her, I had some problems in 2015 with having hour long interactions that seemed on (the girl asking for my number, tons of deep rapport etc) and then I couldn’t get them out again and I’ve had to start bringing in some of Julien’s hard qualifying on the number closes to get them to solidify. It feels like you have a 24-48 hour window to see them again before they start forgetting how good you made them feel as their smartphone fills up with Tinder, Facebook, Instagram, texting, etc validation…not that it’s impossible, but just I’m curious how this pans out for you. If she DOES flake, that would be your signal to start introducing some more of that hard Julien qualifying on the number close. So keep that in mind if you have trouble getting her to meet up again and look at Julien’s number closes if it becomes an issue.

– good move recovering smooth off the kiss rejection…guys get so worried about that shit but I’ll get the cheek and little “I’m not that kind of girl” resistance all the fucking time lol it doesn’t MATTER, she doesn’t lose attraction lol she’s just saying “whoops, too far for where I’m at right now, work me a bit and then try again” or “ahh I can’t here, there are logistical issues like my friend knows I have a boyfriend or I’m a regular at this bar and don’t want to be seen as a slut etc” and you just disarm it or even DON’T…as I always say: don’t do more than a romantic kiss (that you pull away from first) unless you know you have a green light to a sex location that night. Otherwise there’s a high % chance you’re going to trigger ASD when you try to Day2 her. Just ATTEMPTING it is a Statement of Intent, the fact that she doesn’t run away after you attempt a kiss, or she comes back later, says that she’s cool with it and wants it but you just have to disarm some stuff or save it for the Day2 when you have a green light to the sex location. If you had sucked face with her for 20 min and then number closed and left I would put it at like a 90% chance of flaking…but this one I’d say if you set up a Day2 within 48 hours there’s like a 90% chance she’ll meet up with you, and past that it’ll turn into a 50% chance coin-flip, a week or two later almost a 90% chance of flaking unless you happen to hit her up at just the right moment

– if I had been in your situation I would have grabbed the number same as you, but before asking for the number I would have pitched (with laser eye-contact) “my buddy wants to go…what are you doing later…can you ditch your friend” and if she says yes/maybe then grab the number but if she says no like her friend is staying at her place or something THEN I would timebridge a Day2 (coffee tomorrow afternoon or drinks tomorrow evening, to be in that 24hr window) and qualify hard to make sure it’s solid. You had enough attraction and it sounds like it was midway through the night, to where you could probably go hang with your buddy and shoot her a txt around last call and say “what are you up to?” (Julien talks about this in PIMP and he demonstrates a “can you ditch your friends later?” solid number close in his SHIFT infield called “low energy game anyone can do” talking to the girl over the railing…also Max has a couple of those closes in his big compilation I just linked, there’s one right at the start with a blonde chick on the street) There’s a pretty good chance she would have been down to meet up later, tho she would’ve given some resistance to be “not that type of girl” so I would have invited her for food VS a booty call, like “I’m hungry, ditch your friend and come get food with me” Get her to meet up and calibrate whether you need to sit in a late night restaraunt and build more comfort etc to get her home after it, or if you can just grab some “to-go” food and say “let’s warm up and eat this at my place I live right over there, I have to work in the morning so you have to go after we eat”. Should get around any ASD issues and get you two isolated in your apartment. The funny part is that you had enough attraction that you probably wouldn’t even need to be a good lay, you could say you’re exhausted from the gym (or another girl was too rough with your dick earlier in the week etc depending on if she likes the player vibe) and do some minimal shit and pass out and still be pretty likely to see her again. Just something to consider if you end up in a similar situation in the future where you have solid attraction from a girl but have to bail, ask her “what are you doing later, can you ditch your friends” and you’ll be surprised how often they’re up for that lol

– pussy cake was handled fine, you self-amused and made it entertaining, don’t worry about being “cool”, just give them emotional impact, you can always tone it down into James Bond mode once you lock into the set…if you watch Tyler’s recent “alpha female” infield, he starts out decently high energy and then lowers it and lowers it till by the time he closes he’s barely saying anything and is in full chill James Bond mode with her.

– with the had to go in 5 min girl, if you have solid attraction try telling her to invite you, or invite yourself and just assume you’re going with her, who knows maybe she had to drive a friend home but her friend is cool and you go home with them and isolate to bang etc or at least get some more time to solidify a number close. But again you had your wing there and were sexed out so I get it lol Just explaining some potential options incase you didn’t think of them at the time

Good stuff, way to push your comfort zone, glad all my writing has helped.

Saturday night boys, get the fuck out there, especially if you wasted half your weekend engaging Emily/Lily lol The game is played on the field and the field is KING. And do your Field Reports.


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on February 20th, 2016 at 5:38 pm
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Also in that Max 4k compilation, don’t skip ahead to it but as you’re watching pay attention to around 1 hour in…the video/audio quality suddenly goes to full potato mode because there’s some older infield footage of Max doing daygame in it. Look at his vibe in those clips compared to all the stuff in that first hour (and the 2nd hour). He’s NOTICABLY shakier and less internally confident/solid, like it fucking RADIATES from him in everything from his voice to his body language to his verbals etc

He’s probably at his best looks-wise there too, like a nice new haircut, fully groomed face and good style etc, compared to a lot of his more recent stuff where he has a pubic hair beard and retarded messy hair and is wearing a Jurassic Park hoodie and shit like zero fucks given. And he does alright, but compare that vibe to how much he’s tearing it up in the rest of the more recent footage and it’s no comparison.

That’s what going out infield regularly can do for you. Make an effort to hyperfocus on game for a while if you’re a newbie. Find ways to make the time to go out regularly. You can do daygame, you can just go out for an hour, you can go out sober, you can leave at midnight, etc but just GET OUT THERE INFIELD. You can’t internalize this solid core confidence shit from reading or watching videos.

Again we would have KILLED to have access to this kind of footage back when I got into the community. People would have paid literal thousands for this shit back then and watched it a thousand times on loop, and it’s just sitting on YouTube for you lucky fuckers for free, and half of you going out will only watch a few minutes and go eh whatever and move on lol

My buddy hasn’t seen it yet so I’m going to show it to him tonight during our sober pre-game before we roll out to feed our brains some proper programming/inspiration to tear the shit out of a nightclub when we walk in, while other guys are just chugging booze and going to the bar to stand around drunk hoping magic happens and watching us and thinking “fuck, how are those girls into those guys, I’m better looking than them, that one’s chubby and wearing a t-shirt wtf, those girls must just be DRUNK SLUTS, I’m gonna have a couple jagerbombs that’ll help” lol


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@Rollo

Looks like you stepped on some toes lol:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53695.html


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@Rollo

Fucking lol’ed hard at this one by Blueberry, I read his post then looked at his username:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53695-post-1217024.html#pid1217024


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on February 21st, 2016 at 9:34 pm
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no time to do FR breakdowns etc work is crazy, but props to the guys going out and working on their shit. When in doubt hit PIMP MM and SHIFT, all the answers you need are in there somewhere lol


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Ok fuck it, some notes ’cause you guys are doing FRs:

@digireaper
Props on going out, we all have shit nights, even 10 years into the game we can have nights like that now and then. Click my name and search my archive for “origin story” and check out the RSD guy’s various adventures and you’ll find we all went through the same bullshit at the start. You didn’t waste $15, you spent $15 to motivate yourself not to have a repeat performance of all that pain the next night you go out.

@hank holiday
lol I have a million stories where I dropped the ball in my AFC days. We all do, so don’t feel bad…one day you’ll lol about them when you fully get all the dynamics behind what happened and just how absurd these situations probably were to the girls from their perspectives lol

But that’s why I just lol when people think these jacked rich good-looking dudes all slay pussy left and right. A lot of time you can throw a girl at them and have her grinding on them dying to suck their cock and they can’t accept it or find some other way to chode out of it. The people who don’t get how insanely common it is for these good-looking dudes to drop the ball tend to either be 1) Naturals who didn’t drop the ball a lot themselves so they can’t really relate to the notion that a girl could be giving you iois and you DON’T try to fuck her or believe she wants to fuck you especially if they rolled with an alpha pack like themselves who all were getting laid (or at least bragging/acting like they do and glossing over when the girl is ugly etc like guys often do lol) so they just kind of assume all the other good-looking rich etc dudes were doing the same…this is you, Rollo) or 2) AFCs who never approach or talk to girls or learn game and just listen to the Hollywood stereotypes and blue-pill conditioning because they never go out and collect the data for themselves because it’s scary and painful to go down this journey and a lot easier to just believe everyone else is slaying based on attributes you were unfairly not dealt in your genetics (perfect excuse to never really try, and break all the rules like Tyler and the rest of us who don’t turn heads when we walk into a room).

This is also why I say looks are great, but they get you some free ioi’s and opens here and there. If you don’t have game, you’ll still fuck it up…so focus on game above all else. Every hour in the gym is an hour you could be in set kino’ing and laser-eye-fucking a hot girl, one of those is going to get you feeling entitled to fuck hot girls faster than the other lol

@scribblerg
Everyone’s given you good advice on your FR so far.

Understand that everything you’re writing is exactly why I harp on “looks don’t matter” so much. You are a guy who never actually had a real strategy out there…you got by on your vibe, looks, youth, energy, etc and that was fine at the time, pussy was falling from the skies for you. But now that you don’t have those things to rely on you struggle and the field shoves in your face that you don’t have a gameplan out there. So now what? If looks matter, then you should just stop going out and kill yourself ’cause you’re never going to look like you’re 23 again. Or look at the HUGE GAPING HOLES in your game that the field is forcing you to address, and realize that it’s not your looks and grey hair that are holding you back, it’s that your game fucking sucks lol

Your game was the same as most Natural’s game: be loud and outgoing (probably with your bros, or with social proof at the venue) and then girls would give you eye-contact and iois and you would just go over there and had enough confidence and balls and entitlement (aka good subcomms) that you could improvise and make small talk and the girl would bat her eyelashes and give you huge neon green flashing light signals that it’s on and you’d just escalate and bam, another lay, such a badass your game is so sick.

But that was never really conscious “game” on your part (tho it WAS “game” in general because subcomms are a part of DHV’ing, you were actually following the standard A1-S3 Mystery Method flow as I’ll describe below (BECAUSE IT’S REVERSE ENGINEERED FOR HOW SEDUCTION HAPPENS, NOT THEORY lol all seductions involve A1-S3 whether certain stages happen faster or deeper than other stages). Back then your “game” was just having great subcomms/entitlement compared to most guys and taking windows that presented themselves (VS the guys who miss the iois or doubt themselves and drop the ball).

But now you’re old. You don’t have those externals OR internals…every girl that doesn’t give you the iois you expect to get crushes your soul very slightly that night and it adds up until you’re approaching girls looking for external validation from them (approval that you’re still attractive) and they’re picking up that you aren’t internally confident which makes them not give you the external validation you need and it’s a big spiral.

That’s why you keep mentioning “but at the coffee shop I get iois!!” And why you’re super pumped about your hamburger place interaction because you were getting external validation that you’re okay again. That’s your brain looking externally to determine your self-worth.

This is what I want to AVOID guys becoming. Because I would bet that MOST of the Naturals who settle down with some average chick or a hot but crazy chick who runs them through the wringer and divorce rapes them or pushes them to become full chode or cheats on them etc settled down with that girl because they started running into what you’re running into where they aren’t getting the iois they used to get and aren’t sure what’s going on except that they’re somehow losing their “mojo” so out of fear/desperation they latch onto the last decently attractive/cool girl they’ve met and hype her up into being a unicorn NAWALT and, since they don’t understand red pill or MRA shit they get married and usually let themselves become beta chodes over time, happy wife happy life brah!

So I harp ENDLESSLY on the looks thing. Because if you had had actual GAME back then, you wouldn’t be suffering right now. Just like Tyler, Jeffy, Ozzie, etc aren’t suffering even though they’re all approaching their 40s (or 50s in Ozzie’s case). They developed actual game, and pushed their comfort zone with their looks so that their brain fully internalizes that looks don’t matter.

I don’t want guys to get caught up in relying on their looks and ending up like you where you’re going to have to do a big overhaul and work your internal game. You probably always THOUGHT you had internal game too, but never realized that your confidence was actually based on your external attributes and the reactions you were getting. I could get into a car accident and get my face mangled and I’ll still reframe it as “chicks dig scars” and walk in expecting to do fine because I’ve developed my internal shit rock solid.

So your Field Report serves as a good warning and that’s why it’s important that you write them. You’re the former Natural going out there at 50+, very few guys your age will do that and report back what’s going on. The data is important to show younger guys what path to take and what stuff to fix to avoid the problems you’re running into. And when you solve them it’ll be a good example of overcoming the handicaps of being a Natural.

RSD has a bunch of different instructors with different personality types so guys can find one that resonates with them, that’s why they do well in terms of business. I couldn’t relate to Alex at all even though I get that to some guys he’s spitting gold, but I love Tyler’s stuff and Julien’s is resonating more and more with me as I experiment infield. One day maybe Alex’s stuff will hit me, who knows.

Mystery Method is rock solid. It was reverse engineered the hard way, through sheer field experience…Mystery went through the same brutal nights that other guy did except that Mystery was also wearing a goofy fuzzy hat and shit so he couldn’t just hide in the shadows he probably got tooled like CRAZY by people every night lol But he just kept going ’cause he saw there were patterns and his computer brain started piecing shit together eating shit until he figured it out.

Guys should check out Mystery Method FIRST, then get into stuff like PIMP and SHIFT. Every solid RSD instructor has a base of Mystery Method under what they do now. It’s vital to understand MM and it’s a shame how many guys esp in the TRP community which involves learning to pick up girls, that they shit all over Mystery and turn guys away from checking his stuff out. They actively deter guys from checking out a resource that could shave years off their learning curve and understanding of what’s happening out there and how to competently handle it.

I love Mystery’s passion, that’s why I always recommend the videos of his seminars over the book itself. Mystery speaks with a lot of passion about this stuff and it can be infectuous…also you see how calm he is, he’s not super hyper bouncing off the walls, he’s just very precise and articulate and a great teacher and it’s important to know the basic concepts even if some of the execution OF those basic concepts has evolved (ie – the core diamond concepts, like confidence is ALWAYS attractive, social proof is ALWAYS attractive etc…while you might not say “hey I need a female opinion on something” the concept of open them with something that has some emotional impact (“who lies more men or women?” would blow sets open, huge emotional impact) still holds.

Like the seated 4-set that didn’t care much…you basically tried to join their group for the night, from their persepctive, which prevents them from meeting other possibly more high-value guys. Did you use a false time constraint? People make fun of the FTC now but the FTC was to let the girls know “I’m just dropping in for a minute, don’t worry I’m not going to stay with you all night and prevent you from meeting other options”, which puts them off their guard and makes them more receptive because they aren’t having to decide “ok we want this guy to stay with us all night” like they have to decide if you don’t FTC, and if you build enough attraction you just stay anyway.

You’re not getting deep sexual attraction because the onus is on you to create that. When you were a young hotshot you had the subcomms down to create it but now you have self-doubt and are waiting for green lights from them. That doesn’t mean just grab unreceptive girls and make out with them…it means watch/read Mystery Method and learn what A1-A3 are about. You used to get A1 (demonstrating your high-value) by just being young cocky and outgoing/confident, so you’d get A2 (female to male attraction aka iois) and probably naturally tease them a bit as a Natural asshole (qualifying them and then letting them earn your A3 interest in them) and then roll right into C1 (building rapport/comfort), which would all happen super fast cause most of it was handled in the subcomms and mindsets.

But now you have to actually learn to A1 (demonstrate your value) until you SPARK their A2 (iois) and then consciously qualify them so they feel they’ve earned you (very key in 2016 when they have 500 Tinder guys txting them offering free dinners and vacations and shit, you need them to invest in the interaction and choose you over other guys) till they EARN your A3 which puts them in the state where they WANT your C1 (rapport/comfort). You can’t just walk up seeking rapport/comfort like you used to ’cause your subcomms aren’t as solid. That’s where structural game and routines and shit come in. You probably HAVE routines too that you just don’t realize are routines…stories about high-value things you’ve done that you’ve told all your buddies 20000 times. Most Naturals spout the same “scored 3 touchdowns to win the game in college” stories over and over to everyone around them lol It’s just that when you understand something like Mystery Method and structure you can fine-tune those stories to be more potent and hit more attraction triggers, and you consciously tell them to lead the interaction toward a specific goal (whereas in your prime you would just tell stories and shit would “just happen” with minor pushing on your part because you had your subcomms down).

It’s these little things that are the difference between consistency and spamming the numbers game out there. As a newbie ya it’s good to spam approach ’cause you just need social interaction, but when you’re in the game for a while and get some results going the goal should be to take each interaction as far as you can (that doesn’t mean ALWAYS stay in the set forever, sometimes dipping in and DHV’ing then building some jealousy plotlines etc and going BACK in is the optimal approach for that girl, sometimes you want to just stay in and ride that train till she walks away or tells you to fuck off lol you’ll learn to calibrate what to do with experience) and ideally get to where you don’t even really have to open more than a few sets a night to have a solid interaction and you’ll sometimes pull off your first set or in the daytime when you haven’t warmed up etc.

When you look at the old game stuff like Mystery Method you’ll see that it wasn’t just about getting LAID, it was about getting laid CONSISTENTLY. Or at LEAST getting ATTRACTION consistently. Mystery’s 5 for 5 was the idea that when you’ve mastered game you should be able to turn 5 girls you approach in a row into 5 girlfriends…not just fuck them, but hook them so hard that they’re in love with you. I love RSD but a lot of RSD is focused more on getting the lay right now, but the old stuff was about building a deep connection that made the girl fall in LOVE with you. Consistently.

A lot of Naturals get good results but tend to not choose the girl they want, they just choose from the girls who give them blatant iois. That’s why they’ll sometimes fuck a 4/10 and sometimes fuck a 10/10, because it kind of depends on what’s throwing them iois that night. And a lot of guys who build their game around drinking and massive state-pumping will have a lack of consistency because they’re needing to align a bunch of planets to have that perfect vibe and interaction.

That’s why down the road when you get this handled, we encourage guys to go out WITHOUT pumping their state and WITHOUT drinking and shit…that’s where stuff like spending 20 min a day just asking people for the time when you’re in a normal default lower-energy mood and like your hair is messy etc comes from. Or hitting a club for an hour each night but sober and low-energy etc. So that ultimately approaching a girl in the daytime in a grocery store is the same to you as approaching a 10 in a chaotic nightclub and your internals are solid enough that you can trust that you’ll get attraction from both of those girls. That’s the ultimate goal.

Right now I rely on state-pumping because I’m digging myself out of a financial hole (and will be for a couple more years) and my job involves zero socializing all week long…so when the weekend comes around I have to pro-actively force my brain out of anti-social recluse work mode and into a social outgoing state. But if I had a more social job (like sales or bartending), or had my finances handled to where I could spend the time/money to go buy my breakfast/lunch/dinner in restaraunts or stores every day I could normalize socializing and not need to rely on state-pumping when the weekend rolls around. But I’m fully aware this is a crutch that prevents me from feeling comfortable approaching girls in the daytime when I DO go out to get groceries etc and I’ve made the conscious decision that right now with my schedule I’m alright with that sacrifice. Down the road I’ll fix it, no biggie.

PIMP’s section on vibing and verbal structure will probably make sense to you as a Natural because it’s basically just asking basic questions “what do you do? where are you from?” etc but he explains how he puts different tonalities/intentions on them and how he riffs off their answers and devalidates them etc. That’s pretty much what you’re doing as a Natural except that you have no structure and don’t take it anywhere, you just expect it to take itself somewhere like it used to.

The girl with her back to you was doing what you’ll see Mystery talk about: the girl with her back to you in a group that stands near you (pAImAI) is the one that likes you, except that she was solo it sounds like, but it’s the same thing. She won’t telegraph a ton of interest, just the minimal amount and you’re supposed to be confident and entitled enough to not need more than that to approach her. In your prime you would probably have strolled right up to her but now you have self doubt. Or in your prime she probably would’ve kept staring at you or even opened you with something and you’d’ve just capitalized on that and it “just happens”. But now she has a lot of options and you don’t have all those attributes you used to have, so now you need to know what to do and how to go up to her and engage her and fan that spark into a forest fire.

You’ll be able to do it, you have the resources available and the free time and the ability to hit venues with hot girls and, well, you have nothing else to do in this area except go be a sugar daddy or go to speed dating events with “appropriate age” women and put up with 45yo harpies lol

But it’s gonna be a journey and it’s gonna make you uncomfortable and it’s gonna make you face some fears and address some holes in your internal belief system that you’ve never had to deal with or be aware of before. The field reveals all, field experience is king. πŸ™‚

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Also try going earlier in the night. Walking into the chaos of a nightclub can be overwhelming. I’d rather be the first one to arrive than the last one personally…if you’re one of the first 20 people in there, everyone is sitting around bored and pretty receptive to being opened because they’re waiting for excitement to happen. I just chat with the staff (who are paid to be friendly) and start building social proof etc for the night…usually if you’re standing and chatting with a bartender, girls will come order drinks beside you (since that’s where the fun is at VS the empty other side) and you can engage them pretty easily and start building a homebase to reopen through the night.

Also google “short set method”, but the jist is that you drop into sets just for a little one-liner or quick 30 second exchange and move on, like with the INTENTION of moving on. It’s basically just giving value and good emotions to people and expecting nothing in return. Then later in the night you can reopen the receptive ones or use strategy (social proof, preselection, etc) to DHV and reopen the less receptive ones and try to turn them around.

Good luck guys, props for going out. You can’t control the outcome of the night, you can only control whether you take action or not. Consistently take right action and you’ll get there.


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Lot of wisdom in that little Mystery/Tyler snippet. That vid makes me nostalgic for the old days when people actually discussed strategy instead of telling guys to just lift and spam approach and Next every girl that isn’t immediately receptive to them lol

Back in the day I read the Field Report Tyler’s describing about the cosmo model that chooses the other lineup but it’s lost to the bowels of the internet somewhere. It was good though, the stuff he’s saying about “you’re a jerk” is that she was telling him he’s a jerk in a flirty way and he kept agreeing in a flirty way, lasers, slowly cut the space, and they made out in the lineup.

You can see how Tyler’s brain was absorbing all this shit back then, he can practically teach the class himself already in that video. He worked with Mystery to co-write (? ghost-write? whatever where someone else takes the person’s thoughts/words and puts them into a readable form to publish) the original Mystery Method PDF (probably just to offer value to Mystery to get to be his wingman and to get information direct from the source).

More early Tyler, super technical but robotic, it’s cool to see how his vibe has evolved, he’s way more chill and happy overall now (over a decade of banging girls and threesomes and shit probably helps lol)…to me this technical stuff is way more useful than the feel-good “just be present in the moment” woowoo stuff Tyler tends to teach now:

And my personal favorite oldschool cocky in-your-face Tyler lecture lol:

[audio src="http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/realsocialdynamics.com_audio.mp3" /]


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Girls are so not funny, fuck. And Corey is a good example of a Natural. His chick he’s legally marrying is 28 (he’s 24). Maybe her pussy shoots rainbows and magic, but that chick won the lottery. He’ll probably end up tamed and reformed like Tucker Max. Thing is a lot of Naturals are killer in their prime, but they keep that madonna/whore complex and when they find a girl they think is a madonna (who they ONLY FIRST ATTRACTED BECAUSE THEY TREATED HER LIKE A WHORE and they were only first attracted because he ACTED like a guy who treats women like whores) they stop treating her the way she responded to and stop being that guy she was attracted to and boom, the badass alpha Natural is the next divorce-rape case or his girlfriend cheats etc and guys are like “how did that happen??!” But those guys generally don’t learn all this other red pill or men’s rights shit and they fall into society’s path that sabotages them.

And then everyone tells them “you just picked the wrong girl, there’s plenty of fish in the sea, you just need to find the right girl” and that guy tries again with his next madonna and next thing you know he’s another one of these 3-divorce guys…because at no point did he ever ask himself, or did society ever encourage him to ask: “What if it’s not the GIRL, but the very STRUCTURE of a monogamous LTR? What if agreeing to a monoLTR and voluntarily putting myself in a legal position where I can’t leave her etc and what that does to my vibe and how that meets her Hypergamy needs is the problem and not the girl herself?”

Shhh, don’t ask questions, just get back on the plantation.

@quixoric/quixotic

Props dude, great report. This is a great example of what I keep talking about every time I link that Julien “you are not your fucking khakis” video where he talks about breaking out of your comfort zone.

Most men won’t try going out when they aren’t at 100%…forgot to get a haircut, ehh better stay in. Don’t have your suit clean, ehh better stay in girls like guys in suits. Gained a few pounds over xmas ehh better hit the gym and get back down to 12% bodyfat before you go out, you REALLY notice a difference when you have 12% bodyfat instead of 14%, trust me bro, this one girl totally checked me out at the mall, and like, I got laid by a girl who said she liked my body so like, I’ll just hit the gym and go hard sarging next month.

It’s all retarded.

But when you go out and sarge enough, and really push yourself to the limits and you have girls on the go and you’re basically running ragged but you have enough of a social life going that people are dragging you out to the bars etc, you hit nights like this where you’re like “I don’t even fucking care, I’ll just roll out, whatever” and you have interactions like this that shove in your fucking face that your looks don’t matter and all that time you wasted worrying about your hair, your shirt, that whole closet full of clothes you spent money on, all the work you did to like, iron your shirt, all the confidence issues you picked up over the years listening to blue pill social conditioning about what women are attracted to, the expensive watch and shoes you blew a bunch of money on, the hours and hours you spent at the gym, and none of it matters.

When you have laser eye-contact locked in, she isn’t even looking at the rest of you. She’s looking in your eyes and just feeling your vibe. Over an hour she probably checked you out here and there, but when you first lock lasers and hold it as you talk, you could tell her to close her eyes and then ask her what color shirt you’re wearing or what the logo is or what type of shoes you’re wearing and she would have NO FUCKING CLUE. You might be a good-looking dude and jacked etc, I have no idea, but after last night you should be able to understand why it doesn’t matter that I have a little chub on my belly and why the RSD guys aren’t all jacked dudes…it just doesn’t matter unless you’re being passive (standing around trying to be James Bond, or doing online dating where they’re judging just on your looks). Once you get up in their space and lock laser eye-contact and communicating on that subcomm channel where the verbals you’re saying are just nonsense but you’re both communicating heavy sexual intent with your eye-contact and you start hitting their emotions they just don’t give a shit about “oh he could lose 20lbs, oh his shoes are ragged, oh his shirt is wrinkled, oh he’s 10+ years older than me”

Now if you could duplicate the internals you had last night, most of your interactions would look like that one did. But we generally can’t duplicate that because it was a perfect storm of events that led up to you rolling out with that specific vibe. But that’s the ideal you want to work toward, and those moments are where all of society’s bullshit rules about looks and externals go out the window and you see the actual matrix that most guys will never tap into.

Could you learn what you learned last night through reading shit online? Fuck no. Your brain needs “proof not promises”, you need to gather reference experiences first-hand. That’s why people can watch something like this:

(Max is 5’7″ btw, there’s a bunch of chicks taller than him in these clips for you height crybabies lol)

And they can see literally 2 HOURS of this little 5’7″ skinny dude stone cold sober tearing shit up with legit hotties that a lot of guys won’t even talk to, pulling them out of groups that a lot of guys won’t even approach (daytime, nighttime, strees, clubs, bars, lounges, malls, stores, etc). And he’s pulling these magical Eastern European chicks that the RVF forum jizzes over how they’re not like those North American slutty WHORE SLUTS they all have magical values and are all pristine virgins who wouldn’t fall for that RSD game stuff bla bla (hint: AWALT, and if girls aren’t reacting like this to you, you’re boring)

And because it doesn’t fit into their social conditioning they’ll leave comments like “PAID ACTRESSES!!!” “FAKE!!!” “SCAM!!!” “THOSE GIRLS ARE WASTED!!!” etc

Because if they accept that this shit just comes down to shifting your internal mindset, they would have to accept that they’ve wasted their entire fucking life embracing their shackles and trying to win in a rigged system. When ALL THEY HAD TO DO, and they could’ve done it at ANY point in their LIFE, is just believe they deserve hot girls and feel entitled and put out the right subcomms.

It’s a lot easier to just double-down on “well those are paid actresses, I’m gonna just hit the gym, trust me bro the TRP forums told me I gotta be jacked ’cause looks are important” and just never admit that you aren’t getting the results you want.

It’s important that guys write about these experiences, and other guys read about them, because it may inspire other guys to try pushing their own comfort zones and push forward through this shit. Part of why I don’t like the RVF is they’re all so bought into the “custom suit” nonsense that they don’t purposely push their comfort zones so they all just keep confirming that the suit stuff is important lol Like they have their RVF meetups and tell everyone to wear a suit for hitting the bars after and it’s like how about you have a meetup where you all purposely don’t get a haircut for a month, wear your oldest shittiest shirt, scuff up your shoes, etc and hit the bars. ‘course then they couldn’t just post up like James Bond and hit on the 6s that come stand beside them or compliment their suit and write a field report about how they hit on the girl “for a laugh” and went home solo or got so drunk they took a “she was a pretty respectable 6 bro nice work” girl home…they’d have to actually be pro-active and engaging.

So thanks for writing. And ya, I’m around here now.

On the FR itself:

“My buddy wanted to bounce and go try another bar.”

Fuckin guys lol This is why I like to roll with guys who study pickup, where if we see a set like that going on we’ll take the hit of not getting laid that night to let our buddy pursue it and see where it goes for the reference experience, ’cause we know we’ll be out again the next night and he’ll make up for it or pay the other guy’s cover or something.

But I get it, he dragged you out to help him and you just got laid so who cares lol I had a chick over Wed and we fucked all night till my dick was raw Thurs when I went out with my buddy so I was like I couldn’t even bang a girl if I DID meet one lol I just winged him and he got some sick reference experience pushing his comfort zone with escalating on girls which he’s been needing to work on for a long time.

But for reference:

– probably couldn’t and didn’t need to lead her away, if you tried to take her away you’d leave her fatty friend there by herself and that’s a dick move on her part so you’d probably get resistance and fuck the vibe up. Fatty was okay with letting you mack her while she could still sit beside her and not feel like a loser uggo at the bar by herself lol But try to pull her away and you’re probably gonna get resistance

– you did good with all the ignoring her at points and shit. Check out this Max infield where you can literally watch preselection hindbrain shit in action (@Rollo (this kind of footage is a red pill article in itself, it’s amazing that we can capture this shit in clear high-quality now) @Sentient @scribblerg @Sun Wukong @fucking can’t remember, whoever else goes out, lol):

Skip to 1:47:50 in that Max 4K video and watch this set…pay attention to how the brunette cougar acts after Max starts talking to the blonde cougar. This is what understanding preselection, social proof, jealousy plotlines, etc creates. Watch how as he keeps ignoring the brunette not only does the brunette get up and walk around to get some water to try to get his attention, but the blonde calls it out because SHE can see it too and knows exactly what’s up, which just increases her OWN attraction for him. Also listen to the actual set, this girl goes on and on about how she’s in love with this guy who won’t txt her back and he makes her feel butterflies for the first time in years and she’s going to see him tomorrow and omg she’s so in love and she’d never sleep with Max he’s a player and has told her he has 2 girlfriends and he was just hitting on that brunette she should think he’s a douchebag and ditch him especially after he reams her out for her life choices scolding her like she’s a little girl (rollercoaster of good and bad emotions, emotional IMPACT cutting to her fucking SOUL, giving her the daddy energy she needs etc), and then SHE extracts and pulls HIM to her place to fuck her and is bribing him with coconut water because he told her he doesn’t drink and only drinks healthy shit…she’s literally bribing him to fuck her. The amount of red pill concept verification in that little clip is off the charts.

– if you had stayed you could probably pull her, fatty would get herself home and your buddy fucks off and you two just go home to fuck, seems 100% on to me

– but because you had to go you didn’t have much choice with the number close…Julien’s got good stuff in PIMP on number closing and the follow-up, let us know if you get this girl out and actually P in V her, I had some problems in 2015 with having hour long interactions that seemed on (the girl asking for my number, tons of deep rapport etc) and then I couldn’t get them out again and I’ve had to start bringing in some of Julien’s hard qualifying on the number closes to get them to solidify. It feels like you have a 24-48 hour window to see them again before they start forgetting how good you made them feel as their smartphone fills up with Tinder, Facebook, Instagram, texting, etc validation…not that it’s impossible, but just I’m curious how this pans out for you. If she DOES flake, that would be your signal to start introducing some more of that hard Julien qualifying on the number close. So keep that in mind if you have trouble getting her to meet up again and look at Julien’s number closes if it becomes an issue.

– good move recovering smooth off the kiss rejection…guys get so worried about that shit but I’ll get the cheek and little “I’m not that kind of girl” resistance all the fucking time lol it doesn’t MATTER, she doesn’t lose attraction lol she’s just saying “whoops, too far for where I’m at right now, work me a bit and then try again” or “ahh I can’t here, there are logistical issues like my friend knows I have a boyfriend or I’m a regular at this bar and don’t want to be seen as a slut etc” and you just disarm it or even DON’T…as I always say: don’t do more than a romantic kiss (that you pull away from first) unless you know you have a green light to a sex location that night. Otherwise there’s a high % chance you’re going to trigger ASD when you try to Day2 her. Just ATTEMPTING it is a Statement of Intent, the fact that she doesn’t run away after you attempt a kiss, or she comes back later, says that she’s cool with it and wants it but you just have to disarm some stuff or save it for the Day2 when you have a green light to the sex location. If you had sucked face with her for 20 min and then number closed and left I would put it at like a 90% chance of flaking…but this one I’d say if you set up a Day2 within 48 hours there’s like a 90% chance she’ll meet up with you, and past that it’ll turn into a 50% chance coin-flip, a week or two later almost a 90% chance of flaking unless you happen to hit her up at just the right moment

– if I had been in your situation I would have grabbed the number same as you, but before asking for the number I would have pitched (with laser eye-contact) “my buddy wants to go…what are you doing later…can you ditch your friend” and if she says yes/maybe then grab the number but if she says no like her friend is staying at her place or something THEN I would timebridge a Day2 (coffee tomorrow afternoon or drinks tomorrow evening, to be in that 24hr window) and qualify hard to make sure it’s solid. You had enough attraction and it sounds like it was midway through the night, to where you could probably go hang with your buddy and shoot her a txt around last call and say “what are you up to?” (Julien talks about this in PIMP and he demonstrates a “can you ditch your friends later?” solid number close in his SHIFT infield called “low energy game anyone can do” talking to the girl over the railing…also Max has a couple of those closes in his big compilation I just linked, there’s one right at the start with a blonde chick on the street) There’s a pretty good chance she would have been down to meet up later, tho she would’ve given some resistance to be “not that type of girl” so I would have invited her for food VS a booty call, like “I’m hungry, ditch your friend and come get food with me” Get her to meet up and calibrate whether you need to sit in a late night restaraunt and build more comfort etc to get her home after it, or if you can just grab some “to-go” food and say “let’s warm up and eat this at my place I live right over there, I have to work in the morning so you have to go after we eat”. Should get around any ASD issues and get you two isolated in your apartment. The funny part is that you had enough attraction that you probably wouldn’t even need to be a good lay, you could say you’re exhausted from the gym (or another girl was too rough with your dick earlier in the week etc depending on if she likes the player vibe) and do some minimal shit and pass out and still be pretty likely to see her again. Just something to consider if you end up in a similar situation in the future where you have solid attraction from a girl but have to bail, ask her “what are you doing later, can you ditch your friends” and you’ll be surprised how often they’re up for that lol

– pussy cake was handled fine, you self-amused and made it entertaining, don’t worry about being “cool”, just give them emotional impact, you can always tone it down into James Bond mode once you lock into the set…if you watch Tyler’s recent “alpha female” infield, he starts out decently high energy and then lowers it and lowers it till by the time he closes he’s barely saying anything and is in full chill James Bond mode with her.

– with the had to go in 5 min girl, if you have solid attraction try telling her to invite you, or invite yourself and just assume you’re going with her, who knows maybe she had to drive a friend home but her friend is cool and you go home with them and isolate to bang etc or at least get some more time to solidify a number close. But again you had your wing there and were sexed out so I get it lol Just explaining some potential options incase you didn’t think of them at the time

Good stuff, way to push your comfort zone, glad all my writing has helped.

Saturday night boys, get the fuck out there, especially if you wasted half your weekend engaging Emily/Lily lol The game is played on the field and the field is KING. And do your Field Reports.


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Also in that Max 4k compilation, don’t skip ahead to it but as you’re watching pay attention to around 1 hour in…the video/audio quality suddenly goes to full potato mode because there’s some older infield footage of Max doing daygame in it. Look at his vibe in those clips compared to all the stuff in that first hour (and the 2nd hour). He’s NOTICABLY shakier and less internally confident/solid, like it fucking RADIATES from him in everything from his voice to his body language to his verbals etc

He’s probably at his best looks-wise there too, like a nice new haircut, fully groomed face and good style etc, compared to a lot of his more recent stuff where he has a pubic hair beard and retarded messy hair and is wearing a Jurassic Park hoodie and shit like zero fucks given. And he does alright, but compare that vibe to how much he’s tearing it up in the rest of the more recent footage and it’s no comparison.

That’s what going out infield regularly can do for you. Make an effort to hyperfocus on game for a while if you’re a newbie. Find ways to make the time to go out regularly. You can do daygame, you can just go out for an hour, you can go out sober, you can leave at midnight, etc but just GET OUT THERE INFIELD. You can’t internalize this solid core confidence shit from reading or watching videos.

Again we would have KILLED to have access to this kind of footage back when I got into the community. People would have paid literal thousands for this shit back then and watched it a thousand times on loop, and it’s just sitting on YouTube for you lucky fuckers for free, and half of you going out will only watch a few minutes and go eh whatever and move on lol

My buddy hasn’t seen it yet so I’m going to show it to him tonight during our sober pre-game before we roll out to feed our brains some proper programming/inspiration to tear the shit out of a nightclub when we walk in, while other guys are just chugging booze and going to the bar to stand around drunk hoping magic happens and watching us and thinking “fuck, how are those girls into those guys, I’m better looking than them, that one’s chubby and wearing a t-shirt wtf, those girls must just be DRUNK SLUTS, I’m gonna have a couple jagerbombs that’ll help” lol


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@Rollo

Looks like you stepped on some toes lol:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53695.html


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@Rollo

Fucking lol’ed hard at this one by Blueberry, I read his post then looked at his username:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53695-post-1217024.html#pid1217024


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no time to do FR breakdowns etc work is crazy, but props to the guys going out and working on their shit. When in doubt hit PIMP MM and SHIFT, all the answers you need are in there somewhere lol


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Ok fuck it, some notes ’cause you guys are doing FRs:

@digireaper
Props on going out, we all have shit nights, even 10 years into the game we can have nights like that now and then. Click my name and search my archive for “origin story” and check out the RSD guy’s various adventures and you’ll find we all went through the same bullshit at the start. You didn’t waste $15, you spent $15 to motivate yourself not to have a repeat performance of all that pain the next night you go out.

@hank holiday
lol I have a million stories where I dropped the ball in my AFC days. We all do, so don’t feel bad…one day you’ll lol about them when you fully get all the dynamics behind what happened and just how absurd these situations probably were to the girls from their perspectives lol

But that’s why I just lol when people think these jacked rich good-looking dudes all slay pussy left and right. A lot of time you can throw a girl at them and have her grinding on them dying to suck their cock and they can’t accept it or find some other way to chode out of it. The people who don’t get how insanely common it is for these good-looking dudes to drop the ball tend to either be 1) Naturals who didn’t drop the ball a lot themselves so they can’t really relate to the notion that a girl could be giving you iois and you DON’T try to fuck her or believe she wants to fuck you especially if they rolled with an alpha pack like themselves who all were getting laid (or at least bragging/acting like they do and glossing over when the girl is ugly etc like guys often do lol) so they just kind of assume all the other good-looking rich etc dudes were doing the same…this is you, Rollo) or 2) AFCs who never approach or talk to girls or learn game and just listen to the Hollywood stereotypes and blue-pill conditioning because they never go out and collect the data for themselves because it’s scary and painful to go down this journey and a lot easier to just believe everyone else is slaying based on attributes you were unfairly not dealt in your genetics (perfect excuse to never really try, and break all the rules like Tyler and the rest of us who don’t turn heads when we walk into a room).

This is also why I say looks are great, but they get you some free ioi’s and opens here and there. If you don’t have game, you’ll still fuck it up…so focus on game above all else. Every hour in the gym is an hour you could be in set kino’ing and laser-eye-fucking a hot girl, one of those is going to get you feeling entitled to fuck hot girls faster than the other lol

@scribblerg
Everyone’s given you good advice on your FR so far.

Understand that everything you’re writing is exactly why I harp on “looks don’t matter” so much. You are a guy who never actually had a real strategy out there…you got by on your vibe, looks, youth, energy, etc and that was fine at the time, pussy was falling from the skies for you. But now that you don’t have those things to rely on you struggle and the field shoves in your face that you don’t have a gameplan out there. So now what? If looks matter, then you should just stop going out and kill yourself ’cause you’re never going to look like you’re 23 again. Or look at the HUGE GAPING HOLES in your game that the field is forcing you to address, and realize that it’s not your looks and grey hair that are holding you back, it’s that your game fucking sucks lol

Your game was the same as most Natural’s game: be loud and outgoing (probably with your bros, or with social proof at the venue) and then girls would give you eye-contact and iois and you would just go over there and had enough confidence and balls and entitlement (aka good subcomms) that you could improvise and make small talk and the girl would bat her eyelashes and give you huge neon green flashing light signals that it’s on and you’d just escalate and bam, another lay, such a badass your game is so sick.

But that was never really conscious “game” on your part (tho it WAS “game” in general because subcomms are a part of DHV’ing, you were actually following the standard A1-S3 Mystery Method flow as I’ll describe below (BECAUSE IT’S REVERSE ENGINEERED FOR HOW SEDUCTION HAPPENS, NOT THEORY lol all seductions involve A1-S3 whether certain stages happen faster or deeper than other stages). Back then your “game” was just having great subcomms/entitlement compared to most guys and taking windows that presented themselves (VS the guys who miss the iois or doubt themselves and drop the ball).

But now you’re old. You don’t have those externals OR internals…every girl that doesn’t give you the iois you expect to get crushes your soul very slightly that night and it adds up until you’re approaching girls looking for external validation from them (approval that you’re still attractive) and they’re picking up that you aren’t internally confident which makes them not give you the external validation you need and it’s a big spiral.

That’s why you keep mentioning “but at the coffee shop I get iois!!” And why you’re super pumped about your hamburger place interaction because you were getting external validation that you’re okay again. That’s your brain looking externally to determine your self-worth.

This is what I want to AVOID guys becoming. Because I would bet that MOST of the Naturals who settle down with some average chick or a hot but crazy chick who runs them through the wringer and divorce rapes them or pushes them to become full chode or cheats on them etc settled down with that girl because they started running into what you’re running into where they aren’t getting the iois they used to get and aren’t sure what’s going on except that they’re somehow losing their “mojo” so out of fear/desperation they latch onto the last decently attractive/cool girl they’ve met and hype her up into being a unicorn NAWALT and, since they don’t understand red pill or MRA shit they get married and usually let themselves become beta chodes over time, happy wife happy life brah!

So I harp ENDLESSLY on the looks thing. Because if you had had actual GAME back then, you wouldn’t be suffering right now. Just like Tyler, Jeffy, Ozzie, etc aren’t suffering even though they’re all approaching their 40s (or 50s in Ozzie’s case). They developed actual game, and pushed their comfort zone with their looks so that their brain fully internalizes that looks don’t matter.

I don’t want guys to get caught up in relying on their looks and ending up like you where you’re going to have to do a big overhaul and work your internal game. You probably always THOUGHT you had internal game too, but never realized that your confidence was actually based on your external attributes and the reactions you were getting. I could get into a car accident and get my face mangled and I’ll still reframe it as “chicks dig scars” and walk in expecting to do fine because I’ve developed my internal shit rock solid.

So your Field Report serves as a good warning and that’s why it’s important that you write them. You’re the former Natural going out there at 50+, very few guys your age will do that and report back what’s going on. The data is important to show younger guys what path to take and what stuff to fix to avoid the problems you’re running into. And when you solve them it’ll be a good example of overcoming the handicaps of being a Natural.

RSD has a bunch of different instructors with different personality types so guys can find one that resonates with them, that’s why they do well in terms of business. I couldn’t relate to Alex at all even though I get that to some guys he’s spitting gold, but I love Tyler’s stuff and Julien’s is resonating more and more with me as I experiment infield. One day maybe Alex’s stuff will hit me, who knows.

Mystery Method is rock solid. It was reverse engineered the hard way, through sheer field experience…Mystery went through the same brutal nights that other guy did except that Mystery was also wearing a goofy fuzzy hat and shit so he couldn’t just hide in the shadows he probably got tooled like CRAZY by people every night lol But he just kept going ’cause he saw there were patterns and his computer brain started piecing shit together eating shit until he figured it out.

Guys should check out Mystery Method FIRST, then get into stuff like PIMP and SHIFT. Every solid RSD instructor has a base of Mystery Method under what they do now. It’s vital to understand MM and it’s a shame how many guys esp in the TRP community which involves learning to pick up girls, that they shit all over Mystery and turn guys away from checking his stuff out. They actively deter guys from checking out a resource that could shave years off their learning curve and understanding of what’s happening out there and how to competently handle it.

I love Mystery’s passion, that’s why I always recommend the videos of his seminars over the book itself. Mystery speaks with a lot of passion about this stuff and it can be infectuous…also you see how calm he is, he’s not super hyper bouncing off the walls, he’s just very precise and articulate and a great teacher and it’s important to know the basic concepts even if some of the execution OF those basic concepts has evolved (ie – the core diamond concepts, like confidence is ALWAYS attractive, social proof is ALWAYS attractive etc…while you might not say “hey I need a female opinion on something” the concept of open them with something that has some emotional impact (“who lies more men or women?” would blow sets open, huge emotional impact) still holds.

Like the seated 4-set that didn’t care much…you basically tried to join their group for the night, from their persepctive, which prevents them from meeting other possibly more high-value guys. Did you use a false time constraint? People make fun of the FTC now but the FTC was to let the girls know “I’m just dropping in for a minute, don’t worry I’m not going to stay with you all night and prevent you from meeting other options”, which puts them off their guard and makes them more receptive because they aren’t having to decide “ok we want this guy to stay with us all night” like they have to decide if you don’t FTC, and if you build enough attraction you just stay anyway.

You’re not getting deep sexual attraction because the onus is on you to create that. When you were a young hotshot you had the subcomms down to create it but now you have self-doubt and are waiting for green lights from them. That doesn’t mean just grab unreceptive girls and make out with them…it means watch/read Mystery Method and learn what A1-A3 are about. You used to get A1 (demonstrating your high-value) by just being young cocky and outgoing/confident, so you’d get A2 (female to male attraction aka iois) and probably naturally tease them a bit as a Natural asshole (qualifying them and then letting them earn your A3 interest in them) and then roll right into C1 (building rapport/comfort), which would all happen super fast cause most of it was handled in the subcomms and mindsets.

But now you have to actually learn to A1 (demonstrate your value) until you SPARK their A2 (iois) and then consciously qualify them so they feel they’ve earned you (very key in 2016 when they have 500 Tinder guys txting them offering free dinners and vacations and shit, you need them to invest in the interaction and choose you over other guys) till they EARN your A3 which puts them in the state where they WANT your C1 (rapport/comfort). You can’t just walk up seeking rapport/comfort like you used to ’cause your subcomms aren’t as solid. That’s where structural game and routines and shit come in. You probably HAVE routines too that you just don’t realize are routines…stories about high-value things you’ve done that you’ve told all your buddies 20000 times. Most Naturals spout the same “scored 3 touchdowns to win the game in college” stories over and over to everyone around them lol It’s just that when you understand something like Mystery Method and structure you can fine-tune those stories to be more potent and hit more attraction triggers, and you consciously tell them to lead the interaction toward a specific goal (whereas in your prime you would just tell stories and shit would “just happen” with minor pushing on your part because you had your subcomms down).

It’s these little things that are the difference between consistency and spamming the numbers game out there. As a newbie ya it’s good to spam approach ’cause you just need social interaction, but when you’re in the game for a while and get some results going the goal should be to take each interaction as far as you can (that doesn’t mean ALWAYS stay in the set forever, sometimes dipping in and DHV’ing then building some jealousy plotlines etc and going BACK in is the optimal approach for that girl, sometimes you want to just stay in and ride that train till she walks away or tells you to fuck off lol you’ll learn to calibrate what to do with experience) and ideally get to where you don’t even really have to open more than a few sets a night to have a solid interaction and you’ll sometimes pull off your first set or in the daytime when you haven’t warmed up etc.

When you look at the old game stuff like Mystery Method you’ll see that it wasn’t just about getting LAID, it was about getting laid CONSISTENTLY. Or at LEAST getting ATTRACTION consistently. Mystery’s 5 for 5 was the idea that when you’ve mastered game you should be able to turn 5 girls you approach in a row into 5 girlfriends…not just fuck them, but hook them so hard that they’re in love with you. I love RSD but a lot of RSD is focused more on getting the lay right now, but the old stuff was about building a deep connection that made the girl fall in LOVE with you. Consistently.

A lot of Naturals get good results but tend to not choose the girl they want, they just choose from the girls who give them blatant iois. That’s why they’ll sometimes fuck a 4/10 and sometimes fuck a 10/10, because it kind of depends on what’s throwing them iois that night. And a lot of guys who build their game around drinking and massive state-pumping will have a lack of consistency because they’re needing to align a bunch of planets to have that perfect vibe and interaction.

That’s why down the road when you get this handled, we encourage guys to go out WITHOUT pumping their state and WITHOUT drinking and shit…that’s where stuff like spending 20 min a day just asking people for the time when you’re in a normal default lower-energy mood and like your hair is messy etc comes from. Or hitting a club for an hour each night but sober and low-energy etc. So that ultimately approaching a girl in the daytime in a grocery store is the same to you as approaching a 10 in a chaotic nightclub and your internals are solid enough that you can trust that you’ll get attraction from both of those girls. That’s the ultimate goal.

Right now I rely on state-pumping because I’m digging myself out of a financial hole (and will be for a couple more years) and my job involves zero socializing all week long…so when the weekend comes around I have to pro-actively force my brain out of anti-social recluse work mode and into a social outgoing state. But if I had a more social job (like sales or bartending), or had my finances handled to where I could spend the time/money to go buy my breakfast/lunch/dinner in restaraunts or stores every day I could normalize socializing and not need to rely on state-pumping when the weekend rolls around. But I’m fully aware this is a crutch that prevents me from feeling comfortable approaching girls in the daytime when I DO go out to get groceries etc and I’ve made the conscious decision that right now with my schedule I’m alright with that sacrifice. Down the road I’ll fix it, no biggie.

PIMP’s section on vibing and verbal structure will probably make sense to you as a Natural because it’s basically just asking basic questions “what do you do? where are you from?” etc but he explains how he puts different tonalities/intentions on them and how he riffs off their answers and devalidates them etc. That’s pretty much what you’re doing as a Natural except that you have no structure and don’t take it anywhere, you just expect it to take itself somewhere like it used to.

The girl with her back to you was doing what you’ll see Mystery talk about: the girl with her back to you in a group that stands near you (pAImAI) is the one that likes you, except that she was solo it sounds like, but it’s the same thing. She won’t telegraph a ton of interest, just the minimal amount and you’re supposed to be confident and entitled enough to not need more than that to approach her. In your prime you would probably have strolled right up to her but now you have self doubt. Or in your prime she probably would’ve kept staring at you or even opened you with something and you’d’ve just capitalized on that and it “just happens”. But now she has a lot of options and you don’t have all those attributes you used to have, so now you need to know what to do and how to go up to her and engage her and fan that spark into a forest fire.

You’ll be able to do it, you have the resources available and the free time and the ability to hit venues with hot girls and, well, you have nothing else to do in this area except go be a sugar daddy or go to speed dating events with “appropriate age” women and put up with 45yo harpies lol

But it’s gonna be a journey and it’s gonna make you uncomfortable and it’s gonna make you face some fears and address some holes in your internal belief system that you’ve never had to deal with or be aware of before. The field reveals all, field experience is king. :)

@scribblerg @digireaper
Also try going earlier in the night. Walking into the chaos of a nightclub can be overwhelming. I’d rather be the first one to arrive than the last one personally…if you’re one of the first 20 people in there, everyone is sitting around bored and pretty receptive to being opened because they’re waiting for excitement to happen. I just chat with the staff (who are paid to be friendly) and start building social proof etc for the night…usually if you’re standing and chatting with a bartender, girls will come order drinks beside you (since that’s where the fun is at VS the empty other side) and you can engage them pretty easily and start building a homebase to reopen through the night.

Also google “short set method”, but the jist is that you drop into sets just for a little one-liner or quick 30 second exchange and move on, like with the INTENTION of moving on. It’s basically just giving value and good emotions to people and expecting nothing in return. Then later in the night you can reopen the receptive ones or use strategy (social proof, preselection, etc) to DHV and reopen the less receptive ones and try to turn them around.

Good luck guys, props for going out. You can’t control the outcome of the night, you can only control whether you take action or not. Consistently take right action and you’ll get there.


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@Sentient
Lot of wisdom in that little Mystery/Tyler snippet. That vid makes me nostalgic for the old days when people actually discussed strategy instead of telling guys to just lift and spam approach and Next every girl that isn’t immediately receptive to them lol

Back in the day I read the Field Report Tyler’s describing about the cosmo model that chooses the other lineup but it’s lost to the bowels of the internet somewhere. It was good though, the stuff he’s saying about “you’re a jerk” is that she was telling him he’s a jerk in a flirty way and he kept agreeing in a flirty way, lasers, slowly cut the space, and they made out in the lineup.

You can see how Tyler’s brain was absorbing all this shit back then, he can practically teach the class himself already in that video. He worked with Mystery to co-write (? ghost-write? whatever where someone else takes the person’s thoughts/words and puts them into a readable form to publish) the original Mystery Method PDF (probably just to offer value to Mystery to get to be his wingman and to get information direct from the source).

More early Tyler, super technical but robotic, it’s cool to see how his vibe has evolved, he’s way more chill and happy overall now (over a decade of banging girls and threesomes and shit probably helps lol)…to me this technical stuff is way more useful than the feel-good “just be present in the moment” woowoo stuff Tyler tends to teach now:

And my personal favorite oldschool cocky in-your-face Tyler lecture lol:

[audio src="http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/realsocialdynamics.com_audio.mp3" /]


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@scribblerg
“Either you are opposed the hatred Roosh has created and surrounded himself with or you are not. It’s black or white.”

Holy shit dude give it a rest. You’re overreacting to some words on paper and pulling the same “you’d all better take my side as I overreact like a drama queen to the issue or you’re against righteousness and goodness” shit SJWs and Feminists pull. Quit trying to bully Rollo around on a fucking thought experiment that you’re taking WAY too seriously and are WAY too invested in.

You are the ONLY one flipping your shit because you are the ONLY one who’s completely overreacting to Roosh’s article. There’s no need for Rollo to declare anything because Roosh is clearly fucking around.

If you’re so worked up over discussing controversial topics, it might be time to take a break from reading shit in general on the internet. Everyone’s allowed to have their own opinions or to not share them with you, and no one wants to read your 50th rant badgering Rollo to give you some kind of peace of mind you seem to be seeking.

http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/2/#comment-rationalmale-139490

If you want a hugbox where no one who ever has an opposing view to you is ever allowed to comment on any subject you don’t personally approve of and everyone has to do whatever you say, start your own forum and moderate the fuck out of it like feminists and bluepill forums do.

Leave Rollo alone!! :'( lol


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@scribblerg
“Either you are opposed the hatred Roosh has created and surrounded himself with or you are not. It’s black or white.”

Holy shit dude give it a rest. You’re overreacting to some words on paper and pulling the same “you’d all better take my side as I overreact like a drama queen to the issue or you’re against righteousness and goodness” shit SJWs and Feminists pull. Quit trying to bully Rollo around on a fucking thought experiment that you’re taking WAY too seriously and are WAY too invested in.

You are the ONLY one flipping your shit because you are the ONLY one who’s completely overreacting to Roosh’s article. There’s no need for Rollo to declare anything because Roosh is clearly fucking around.

If you’re so worked up over discussing controversial topics, it might be time to take a break from reading shit in general on the internet. Everyone’s allowed to have their own opinions or to not share them with you, and no one wants to read your 50th rant badgering Rollo to give you some kind of peace of mind you seem to be seeking.

http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/2/#comment-rationalmale-139490

If you want a hugbox where no one who ever has an opposing view to you is ever allowed to comment on any subject you don’t personally approve of and everyone has to do whatever you say, start your own forum and moderate the fuck out of it like feminists and bluepill forums do.

Leave Rollo alone!!πŸ˜₯ lol


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@hoellenhund2
“Those words weren’t even printed.”

lol shit I’m officially old :'(

@scribblerg
“It’s quite surprising that you and many readers here seem to think that strong opposition to such things is unnecessary.”

That’s because we aren’t little old ladies clutching our pearls at a troll that’s trolling people lol Should Rollo also make posts declaring that he’s against strangling unicorns because some idiot on the net declares the Red Pill is about strangling unicorns and you’re offended?

Roosh’s article makes a valid point about how modern society doesn’t encourage girls to act responsibly and often encourages the opposite and that’s causing a lot of damage. EVERYONE ELSE BUT YOU gets this lol It’s the equivalent of making an article about legalizing stealing inside a stranger’s house to help people understand that locking their doors is a good idea to help prevent losing things you own.

“I’m not sure what kind of moral universe you folks live in,”

In my universe people discuss controversial things. That’s how all this Red Pill shit that’s helped you turn your life around came to EXIST…people with your mentality would have had Red Pill forums and Rollo’s blog censored and deleted. Perhaps you’d be happier over at reddit’s Blue Pill forum where LITERALLY EVERYTHING we talk about here is considered “evil”.

“but it surely is not one that aligns with my values.”

So leave?

“Many of you are much more like the Puritans”

You’re the one running around declaring things evil and immoral lol

@contrarian
“as an older guy i really had to adjust psychologically to the whole squirting thing. when i first heard/saw it on thenet i was about your age whole flynn effect thing had/is happening due to the whole internet of things and squirting is just one small piece.”

Jeeze I don’t know, I’ve been assured by the old guys here that they all knew everything about sex back when they were banging cavewomen in their dinosaur caves. ;) …one of those same old guys, who’s constantly convinced and bragging that he knows everything about everything more than everyone else ever could seems surprised by the information I wrote, which is unusual given that he’s the expert on everything ever and is never ever wrong…except when he’s wrong. lol

“any thoughts on residual squeamishness?”

PornHub till you love it. And read chick’s experiences with it to see how much they love it and how amazing it feels to them, might help your brain understand that it’s worth trying to look past the squeamishness. You’re sort of the equivalent of that girl who scrunches her face and avoids swallowing your load when she gives you a BJ and thinks it’s gross and you try to convince her to swallow but she runs to the bathroom to spit it out and gargle mouthwash with a disgusted look on her face…not as fun an experience as a girl who loves swallowing, right? If you had a squeamish girl like that, you’d probably hope that she learns to be un-squeamish about it because it would make the experience more fun to you. So reading that stuff might help lol

“per all the genetics/race/science stuff. i dont really see why we even need discuss/acknowledge it here”

It’s all irrelevant to game really, and I don’t care what scribblerg or Rollo’s views on it are.

What I care about is scribblerg trying to bully Rollo around and demand what content Rollo is allowed or required to write about and that whatever he says has to align with scribblerg’s views OR ELSE. lol

@scribblerg
“You are on my turf now.”
“No dice, bunky. .”

lol dude, this is the internet. No one is on your “turf”. Are you a rebellious teenager in a leather jacket in a street gang in a bad 70s movie? Because that’s what you sound like when you try to threaten people over the internet like this. I’m telling you this stuff for your own benefit, you look ridiculous and like you don’t understand how the internet works lol

“I possess at least as much mastery of politics, history and political philosophy”

lol you need to work on possessing mastery of how the internet works. Hint: getting riled up over a troll makes you look retarded for a guy who’s mastered so much shit.

“don’t dare to assume you can borrow your authority from PUA and sort me out on this topic”

lol if you want to play the credentials game I can assure you that I have VASTLY wider social circles of minority friends (from various races to various sexualities, hell I even know some SJWs) and VASTLY more experience with their interracial dating/fucking/marrying/reproducing than you do and they would ALL lol at how upset you are over internet discussions (except the SJWs who would totally be on your side calling everything they don’t like evil).

You’re in full Braveheart LARP mode right now dude, Rollo can write whatever he wants to whenever he wants to. He doesn’t owe you shit.

“The whole “tolerance of dissenting views” argument is completely childlike.”

lol I have buddies who grew up in racist environments and who have racist views. I don’t go along with their shit and I’ll call them out on it now and then, but they’re generally good people and were just raised being exposed to shitty mindsets and don’t have enough life experience in the area to have changed their views. And this might blow your mind but some of them even have genuine close friends who are OF those minorities they look down on. Holy SHIT what’s going on up is down blue is green how is this possible scribblerg has declared everything is black and white how can there be nuances?! lol hell I have minority buddies who are racist against white people (I don’t count to them tho ’cause I’m cool so they don’t mean ME and they know I KNOW they don’t mean me just like they know their buddies with racist views don’t mean them).

“Racism isn’t some unknown new idea we should explore and weigh the merits of. It’s evil. Period”

The second you declare anything as “evil. period” you basically lose all credibility lol That’s exactly what the blue pill and SJWs and feminists are saying about you and your manipulating girls in coffee shops and all this red pill information that’s helped you out. You want to tell comedians what they’re allowed to tell jokes about next?

“If I have to argue that here – it’s you fucks who are morally messed up, not me.”

So leave. It’ll probably do your blood pressure good to take a break from the internet and calm down if you’re this up in arms. You’re way too worked up about this lol

I’m not even trying to be an asshole to you, I’m just saying what everyone else is thinking but is too nice to say because they know it’ll trigger you into going on another scribblerg hissyfit. Let the Rollo-hounding go.

“And Roosh also spews hateful shit about women all the time.”

Internet troll trolls people, news at 11! According to the mainstream, everything in the Red Pill is misogynistic evil hateful shit about women. How can you be a smart dude in so many areas but be so retarded about this? lol

“But don’t tell me to chill out”

So what you’re saying is one user shouldn’t tell another user what he should and shouldn’t do, or should and shouldn’t discuss, hey? I agree. So how about you lay the fuck off Rollo lol He’s already made it clear he isn’t interested in wasting blog space following your demands. Respect that, you’re on HIS turf, bunky! lol

@newlyaloof
“You are becoming an intolerable outrage machine bro. You just seem to not want to accept any answer other than Rollo is a closet racist. Emotions are never wrong, and you’re are made up, so move on dude. Why continue to comment on a racist’s site?”

This. scribblerg’s whole “so tell us Rollo when did you stop beating your wife?” shit is nonsense, get out of here with that “admit you’re a feminist or we’ll decide you must hate women and want to legalize rape” bullshit lol


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“Those words weren’t even printed.”

lol shit I’m officially oldπŸ˜₯

@scribblerg
“It’s quite surprising that you and many readers here seem to think that strong opposition to such things is unnecessary.”

That’s because we aren’t little old ladies clutching our pearls at a troll that’s trolling people lol Should Rollo also make posts declaring that he’s against strangling unicorns because some idiot on the net declares the Red Pill is about strangling unicorns and you’re offended?

Roosh’s article makes a valid point about how modern society doesn’t encourage girls to act responsibly and often encourages the opposite and that’s causing a lot of damage. EVERYONE ELSE BUT YOU gets this lol It’s the equivalent of making an article about legalizing stealing inside a stranger’s house to help people understand that locking their doors is a good idea to help prevent losing things you own.

“I’m not sure what kind of moral universe you folks live in,”

In my universe people discuss controversial things. That’s how all this Red Pill shit that’s helped you turn your life around came to EXIST…people with your mentality would have had Red Pill forums and Rollo’s blog censored and deleted. Perhaps you’d be happier over at reddit’s Blue Pill forum where LITERALLY EVERYTHING we talk about here is considered “evil”.

“but it surely is not one that aligns with my values.”

So leave?

“Many of you are much more like the Puritans”

You’re the one running around declaring things evil and immoral lol

@contrarian
“as an older guy i really had to adjust psychologically to the whole squirting thing. when i first heard/saw it on thenet i was about your age whole flynn effect thing had/is happening due to the whole internet of things and squirting is just one small piece.”

Jeeze I don’t know, I’ve been assured by the old guys here that they all knew everything about sex back when they were banging cavewomen in their dinosaur caves. πŸ˜‰ …one of those same old guys, who’s constantly convinced and bragging that he knows everything about everything more than everyone else ever could seems surprised by the information I wrote, which is unusual given that he’s the expert on everything ever and is never ever wrong…except when he’s wrong. lol

“any thoughts on residual squeamishness?”

PornHub till you love it. And read chick’s experiences with it to see how much they love it and how amazing it feels to them, might help your brain understand that it’s worth trying to look past the squeamishness. You’re sort of the equivalent of that girl who scrunches her face and avoids swallowing your load when she gives you a BJ and thinks it’s gross and you try to convince her to swallow but she runs to the bathroom to spit it out and gargle mouthwash with a disgusted look on her face…not as fun an experience as a girl who loves swallowing, right? If you had a squeamish girl like that, you’d probably hope that she learns to be un-squeamish about it because it would make the experience more fun to you. So reading that stuff might help lol

“per all the genetics/race/science stuff. i dont really see why we even need discuss/acknowledge it here”

It’s all irrelevant to game really, and I don’t care what scribblerg or Rollo’s views on it are.

What I care about is scribblerg trying to bully Rollo around and demand what content Rollo is allowed or required to write about and that whatever he says has to align with scribblerg’s views OR ELSE. lol

@scribblerg
“You are on my turf now.”
“No dice, bunky. .”

lol dude, this is the internet. No one is on your “turf”. Are you a rebellious teenager in a leather jacket in a street gang in a bad 70s movie? Because that’s what you sound like when you try to threaten people over the internet like this. I’m telling you this stuff for your own benefit, you look ridiculous and like you don’t understand how the internet works lol

“I possess at least as much mastery of politics, history and political philosophy”

lol you need to work on possessing mastery of how the internet works. Hint: getting riled up over a troll makes you look retarded for a guy who’s mastered so much shit.

“don’t dare to assume you can borrow your authority from PUA and sort me out on this topic”

lol if you want to play the credentials game I can assure you that I have VASTLY wider social circles of minority friends (from various races to various sexualities, hell I even know some SJWs) and VASTLY more experience with their interracial dating/fucking/marrying/reproducing than you do and they would ALL lol at how upset you are over internet discussions (except the SJWs who would totally be on your side calling everything they don’t like evil).

You’re in full Braveheart LARP mode right now dude, Rollo can write whatever he wants to whenever he wants to. He doesn’t owe you shit.

“The whole “tolerance of dissenting views” argument is completely childlike.”

lol I have buddies who grew up in racist environments and who have racist views. I don’t go along with their shit and I’ll call them out on it now and then, but they’re generally good people and were just raised being exposed to shitty mindsets and don’t have enough life experience in the area to have changed their views. And this might blow your mind but some of them even have genuine close friends who are OF those minorities they look down on. Holy SHIT what’s going on up is down blue is green how is this possible scribblerg has declared everything is black and white how can there be nuances?! lol hell I have minority buddies who are racist against white people (I don’t count to them tho ’cause I’m cool so they don’t mean ME and they know I KNOW they don’t mean me just like they know their buddies with racist views don’t mean them).

“Racism isn’t some unknown new idea we should explore and weigh the merits of. It’s evil. Period”

The second you declare anything as “evil. period” you basically lose all credibility lol That’s exactly what the blue pill and SJWs and feminists are saying about you and your manipulating girls in coffee shops and all this red pill information that’s helped you out. You want to tell comedians what they’re allowed to tell jokes about next?

“If I have to argue that here – it’s you fucks who are morally messed up, not me.”

So leave. It’ll probably do your blood pressure good to take a break from the internet and calm down if you’re this up in arms. You’re way too worked up about this lol

I’m not even trying to be an asshole to you, I’m just saying what everyone else is thinking but is too nice to say because they know it’ll trigger you into going on another scribblerg hissyfit. Let the Rollo-hounding go.

“And Roosh also spews hateful shit about women all the time.”

Internet troll trolls people, news at 11! According to the mainstream, everything in the Red Pill is misogynistic evil hateful shit about women. How can you be a smart dude in so many areas but be so retarded about this? lol

“But don’t tell me to chill out”

So what you’re saying is one user shouldn’t tell another user what he should and shouldn’t do, or should and shouldn’t discuss, hey? I agree. So how about you lay the fuck off Rollo lol He’s already made it clear he isn’t interested in wasting blog space following your demands. Respect that, you’re on HIS turf, bunky! lol

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“You are becoming an intolerable outrage machine bro. You just seem to not want to accept any answer other than Rollo is a closet racist. Emotions are never wrong, and you’re are made up, so move on dude. Why continue to comment on a racist’s site?”

This. scribblerg’s whole “so tell us Rollo when did you stop beating your wife?” shit is nonsense, get out of here with that “admit you’re a feminist or we’ll decide you must hate women and want to legalize rape” bullshit lol


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Nope, I don’t do private convos or have an E-Mail address. Opens too many floodgates of guys all thinking their situation is special and unique and they need my help to fix it lol Nothing you ask me should be specific enough to get you in trouble. If you’re asking about “this one special girl from the HR department at the rocket science building I work at in California who shared an ice cream cone from the Ice Cream Eatery on Ice Cream Blvd with me Tuesday night and how do I get her?” your question is way too specific and the answers are already in Red Pill material in general. Something like that could be asked like “this girl from work and I shared lunch and how do I get her?” where it’s generic enough to not identify you and my advice would probably be the same as if I knew all the details.

Throw it up under a random account name and with everything super generalized and anonymous and ask the vaguest version of your question and maybe my answer to that will be enough to help you figure it out.


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Nope, I don’t do private convos or have an E-Mail address. Opens too many floodgates of guys all thinking their situation is special and unique and they need my help to fix it lol Nothing you ask me should be specific enough to get you in trouble. If you’re asking about “this one special girl from the HR department at the rocket science building I work at in California who shared an ice cream cone from the Ice Cream Eatery on Ice Cream Blvd with me Tuesday night and how do I get her?” your question is way too specific and the answers are already in Red Pill material in general. Something like that could be asked like “this girl from work and I shared lunch and how do I get her?” where it’s generic enough to not identify you and my advice would probably be the same as if I knew all the details.

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lol I’m just buggin ya. My buddies who are from other more reserved cultures/upbringings went through the same shit when they started learning about Red Pill stuff. Just a total mindfuck.

This is a great site to fuck with your head lol:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CuteModeSlutMode/

Reality is it’s gonna be a shock to the system at first, but the more time you spend around it (even through porn etc) the more desensitized you get. If it helps, it’s not pee lol It’s pretty much a thinner/watery version of the same stuff you get in your mouth when you go down on her.

If you don’t want to make a mess etc try doing it in the shower where it’ll all just wash away under the water, until you get comfortable…just make sure you hold onto her and have some grips on the bathtub bottom so she doesn’t fall and hit her head or anything when her knees buckle lol

But WARNING: don’t do it in like, a bathtub…shoving/sucking water up her pussy (like fucking her in and out while submerged in water) can apparently flat out literally KILL a chick. So try it kneeling or standing under water pouring down from a showerhead if you want to give it a go without as much mess…but you’ll have a trickier time creating a romantic atmosphere for her mind to relax and let go that way lol Light some candles and throw on some sexy music?

@Rollo
“Another ‘experiment’ that’s been suggested by Roosh, AVfM and others is encouraging secretly recording video of any and every sexual encounter a man has with a woman to ensure that any false rape claim has its circumstances documented. Technically this is a crime and an invasion of privacy, but there’ve been several instances where exactly this recording has reversed a false rape allegation.”

I recommend this shit to dudes all the time. When I get my finances set I’ll be setting up solid security recording shit of everything that happens in my apartment. Would rather be in front of a jury for recording without consent than for a false rape accusation and in the case of an FRA I would just blast the videos all over the net to clear my name regardless of what happens to me in court or what penalties that would add.

“Assemblyman Troy Singleton wants to introduce a bill that would make misrepresenting oneself as a means to sex to be rape-by-fraud:”

lol can’t wait to sue a chick for wearing a push-up bra.

“If I disagree with this, am I a misogynist?”

I don’t know why I try to defend you, you always do just fine serving haters up on your own lol <3


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lol I’m just buggin ya. My buddies who are from other more reserved cultures/upbringings went through the same shit when they started learning about Red Pill stuff. Just a total mindfuck.

This is a great site to fuck with your head lol:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CuteModeSlutMode/

Reality is it’s gonna be a shock to the system at first, but the more time you spend around it (even through porn etc) the more desensitized you get. If it helps, it’s not pee lol It’s pretty much a thinner/watery version of the same stuff you get in your mouth when you go down on her.

If you don’t want to make a mess etc try doing it in the shower where it’ll all just wash away under the water, until you get comfortable…just make sure you hold onto her and have some grips on the bathtub bottom so she doesn’t fall and hit her head or anything when her knees buckle lol

But WARNING: don’t do it in like, a bathtub…shoving/sucking water up her pussy (like fucking her in and out while submerged in water) can apparently flat out literally KILL a chick. So try it kneeling or standing under water pouring down from a showerhead if you want to give it a go without as much mess…but you’ll have a trickier time creating a romantic atmosphere for her mind to relax and let go that way lol Light some candles and throw on some sexy music?

@Rollo
“Another ‘experiment’ that’s been suggested by Roosh, AVfM and others is encouraging secretly recording video of any and every sexual encounter a man has with a woman to ensure that any false rape claim has its circumstances documented. Technically this is a crime and an invasion of privacy, but there’ve been several instances where exactly this recording has reversed a false rape allegation.”

I recommend this shit to dudes all the time. When I get my finances set I’ll be setting up solid security recording shit of everything that happens in my apartment. Would rather be in front of a jury for recording without consent than for a false rape accusation and in the case of an FRA I would just blast the videos all over the net to clear my name regardless of what happens to me in court or what penalties that would add.

“Assemblyman Troy Singleton wants to introduce a bill that would make misrepresenting oneself as a means to sex to be rape-by-fraud:”

lol can’t wait to sue a chick for wearing a push-up bra.

“If I disagree with this, am I a misogynist?”

I don’t know why I try to defend you, you always do just fine serving haters up on your own lol❀


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@Yollo
“How do you balance red pill life principles with FI women?”

“Do you seduce every woman so you can hold frame?”

I don’t really get into situations where women would have an effect on my frame. If someone brings up a topic that I have controversial views on I’ll either let them have their conversation and keep a low profile during it, or tell them what they want to hear. They can’t possibly understand the frame I view the world through and everyone will favor their views over mine. I have no interest in getting into a discussion about Hypergamy with like, a group of girls and blue pill guys at the office on my lunch hour.

“Or do you just let them do what they will around you, resting in that you always have the option to do what you will as well?”

What they do doesn’t matter to me. Casual acquaintances don’t need to know anything about my sex life or views, I don’t need to prove anything to them or convince them of anything, especially when the risks are so high.

“Are you ever run out of town for having differing views on human sexuality?”

The people I share those views with are the people I trust who, whether they agree with me or not, don’t judge me on my views and wouldn’t run me out of town. Anyone who isn’t that type of person isn’t hearing about my views. It’s the same mechanic as why girls pretend to be “good girls”…they don’t KNOW whether a guy they’ve just met will judge them or not for having an N-count, but the consequences of being judged are so high to them that they’ll err on the side of assuming by default that the guy will judge them and put on the good girl act to be safe, until that guy has demonstrated very blatantly and congruently that he won’t judge her and she can open up and admit shit trusting that she won’t be judged. I assume everyone is blue pill and FI-brainwashed until they prove multiple times that they aren’t and even then I don’t share much about my views because I don’t need to…if I want to discuss them I have a few very close buddies or anonymous internet forums to discuss them with like-minded men.

“How do you blend in with people, say, in a work or social(Nerds/Squares) club?”

http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.ca/2011/05/law-38-think-as-you-like-but-behave.html

Be like Bruce Wayne around other people and be Batman on your own time. Unless you WANT drama and to risk your career/relationships/safety/etc lol


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@Yollo
“How do you balance red pill life principles with FI women?”

“Do you seduce every woman so you can hold frame?”

I don’t really get into situations where women would have an effect on my frame. If someone brings up a topic that I have controversial views on I’ll either let them have their conversation and keep a low profile during it, or tell them what they want to hear. They can’t possibly understand the frame I view the world through and everyone will favor their views over mine. I have no interest in getting into a discussion about Hypergamy with like, a group of girls and blue pill guys at the office on my lunch hour.

“Or do you just let them do what they will around you, resting in that you always have the option to do what you will as well?”

What they do doesn’t matter to me. Casual acquaintances don’t need to know anything about my sex life or views, I don’t need to prove anything to them or convince them of anything, especially when the risks are so high.

“Are you ever run out of town for having differing views on human sexuality?”

The people I share those views with are the people I trust who, whether they agree with me or not, don’t judge me on my views and wouldn’t run me out of town. Anyone who isn’t that type of person isn’t hearing about my views. It’s the same mechanic as why girls pretend to be “good girls”…they don’t KNOW whether a guy they’ve just met will judge them or not for having an N-count, but the consequences of being judged are so high to them that they’ll err on the side of assuming by default that the guy will judge them and put on the good girl act to be safe, until that guy has demonstrated very blatantly and congruently that he won’t judge her and she can open up and admit shit trusting that she won’t be judged. I assume everyone is blue pill and FI-brainwashed until they prove multiple times that they aren’t and even then I don’t share much about my views because I don’t need to…if I want to discuss them I have a few very close buddies or anonymous internet forums to discuss them with like-minded men.

“How do you blend in with people, say, in a work or social(Nerds/Squares) club?”

http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.ca/2011/05/law-38-think-as-you-like-but-behave.html

Be like Bruce Wayne around other people and be Batman on your own time. Unless you WANT drama and to risk your career/relationships/safety/etc lol


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@betathrowaway
“When I go out, I do okay getting a friendly vibe. But when I try to sexualize the conversation, the reactions I get are shocked, like they had me pegged as a safe beta from a mile away.”

You need to be more polarizing from the start (which is why I’d tell you to go practice in bars/clubs even in another city if you have one nearby, where you aren’t shitting where you eat because until you learn to calibrate it you WILL very likely weird girls out at first).

The jist is that it’s better to step up and get blown out for being too sexual than it is to just have “pleasant chats” that don’t go anywhere. Be more polarizing, so they either love you or hate you but they can’t sit on that middle-ground fence.

You’ll get resistance to this because you’re still in recovering beta mode, so try not to shit where you eat as you practice. They’re categorizing you as a beta so they’re shocked when you step outside of that.

This one has crystal clear infield examples of a beta trying to step up and how women won’t let him out of the box they peg him in but are cool with it when Tyler does it:

And this one is covering similar points but has bits and pieces that aren’t mentioned in the other one:

And here’s Julien on causing emotional reactions, this is the kind of stuff you want to add to your game so that when you’re APPROACHING you’re already being more polarizing…right now you’re doing what most guys do, going in seeking Rapport/Comfort, but that’s skipping the whole Attraction stage. This goes back to classic Mystery Method:

A1 – you DHV’ing (just approaching cool can be a DHV but ideally you have other shit going on to make you seem high-value)

A2 – she shows you female to male interest

A3 – you qualify/screen her and when she passes you show male to female interest to her

C1 – you start building rapport/comfort because now 1) she WANTS your rapport/comfort (because you have A2) and she’s EARNED your high-value man interest (by passing your qualifying her in A3)

C2, C3, S1, S2, S3 – these are all basically keep building rapport/comfort in progressively more private interactions and then escalate to sex, you need to focus on A1-A3 right now.

Right now you’re trying to just start with C1, or A3 probably without qualifying her at all, just showing interest…but she doesn’t want your interest yet because you haven’t A1’ed till you have enough A2 for her to WANT to qualify herself to you trying to earn your A3 so that THEN when you give her C1 she’s excited to have it.

You’re a comfort slut, handing comfort out to any girl you talk to instead of making them earn it lol Just like a girl handing out sex without making guys earn it, it’s low-value.

Girls will be polite to you because you’re at least TRYING but they’ll view you as harmless right now until you can make them emotionally react to you and spike their Buying Temperature (A1-A3).

Here’s the theory:

And here’s some actionable advice to take out into the field on how to cause more emotional responses:

Unfortunately some of the videos I would normally link you (there’s one by Todd that was all about this topic, it was great) was deleted back during the RSDJulien fiasco so you’ll have to try to piece together from my archive some of the ideas:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=polarizing
http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=polarize

And like the other guys said: go out and do a Field Reports and we can help guide you from there. But this should give you enough direction to understand where you need to focus right now. Focus on A1-A3, introducing polarity and causing her Buying Temp to spike to where she’s giving you iois and then focus on QUALIFYING her, ie – make her EARN your interest in her. If you can do even just that, you’ll notice a different vibe in your interactions.

Good luck, welcome to Fight Club lol


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“When I go out, I do okay getting a friendly vibe. But when I try to sexualize the conversation, the reactions I get are shocked, like they had me pegged as a safe beta from a mile away.”

You need to be more polarizing from the start (which is why I’d tell you to go practice in bars/clubs even in another city if you have one nearby, where you aren’t shitting where you eat because until you learn to calibrate it you WILL very likely weird girls out at first).

The jist is that it’s better to step up and get blown out for being too sexual than it is to just have “pleasant chats” that don’t go anywhere. Be more polarizing, so they either love you or hate you but they can’t sit on that middle-ground fence.

You’ll get resistance to this because you’re still in recovering beta mode, so try not to shit where you eat as you practice. They’re categorizing you as a beta so they’re shocked when you step outside of that.

This one has crystal clear infield examples of a beta trying to step up and how women won’t let him out of the box they peg him in but are cool with it when Tyler does it:

And this one is covering similar points but has bits and pieces that aren’t mentioned in the other one:

And here’s Julien on causing emotional reactions, this is the kind of stuff you want to add to your game so that when you’re APPROACHING you’re already being more polarizing…right now you’re doing what most guys do, going in seeking Rapport/Comfort, but that’s skipping the whole Attraction stage. This goes back to classic Mystery Method:

A1 – you DHV’ing (just approaching cool can be a DHV but ideally you have other shit going on to make you seem high-value)

A2 – she shows you female to male interest

A3 – you qualify/screen her and when she passes you show male to female interest to her

C1 – you start building rapport/comfort because now 1) she WANTS your rapport/comfort (because you have A2) and she’s EARNED your high-value man interest (by passing your qualifying her in A3)

C2, C3, S1, S2, S3 – these are all basically keep building rapport/comfort in progressively more private interactions and then escalate to sex, you need to focus on A1-A3 right now.

Right now you’re trying to just start with C1, or A3 probably without qualifying her at all, just showing interest…but she doesn’t want your interest yet because you haven’t A1’ed till you have enough A2 for her to WANT to qualify herself to you trying to earn your A3 so that THEN when you give her C1 she’s excited to have it.

You’re a comfort slut, handing comfort out to any girl you talk to instead of making them earn it lol Just like a girl handing out sex without making guys earn it, it’s low-value.

Girls will be polite to you because you’re at least TRYING but they’ll view you as harmless right now until you can make them emotionally react to you and spike their Buying Temperature (A1-A3).

Here’s the theory:

And here’s some actionable advice to take out into the field on how to cause more emotional responses:

Unfortunately some of the videos I would normally link you (there’s one by Todd that was all about this topic, it was great) was deleted back during the RSDJulien fiasco so you’ll have to try to piece together from my archive some of the ideas:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=polarizing
http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=polarize

And like the other guys said: go out and do a Field Reports and we can help guide you from there. But this should give you enough direction to understand where you need to focus right now. Focus on A1-A3, introducing polarity and causing her Buying Temp to spike to where she’s giving you iois and then focus on QUALIFYING her, ie – make her EARN your interest in her. If you can do even just that, you’ll notice a different vibe in your interactions.

Good luck, welcome to Fight Club lol


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@betathrowaway @Sentient

These days my Newbie Guide would be this:

– Mystery Method (I prefer the seminar where he teaches it over the PDF, I like Mystery’s passion for what he’s teaching, the vids were on YouTube at some point…Magic Bullets is a more brief version of MM if you want the tl;dr version of it)

– Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation video on YouTube

– Richard LaRuina Formula For Night Game on YouTube (specifically 27:00 to 50:00)

– RSDJulien’s SHIFT (internal game/mindsets/beliefs)

– and RSDJulien’s PIMP (external game aka shit to execute infield)

– and if you just want overall social skills building rapport/comfort with people in general then check out Juggler Method.

I’d say that’s the most efficient route to get legit well-rounded solid pickup skills infield fast. And read TRM of course lol And do your FRs even if you don’t show them to anyone, just writing shit down recapping the night helps your brain focus on how you could do better.

I would these resources out in the order listed too, tho if you’re already going out (so you have decent inner game) and just need help with externals watch PIMP then SHIFT, but if you’re not going out at all yet and are scared to go out, reverse the order of those two and watch SHIFT then PIMP.


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@betathrowaway @Sentient

These days my Newbie Guide would be this:

– Mystery Method (I prefer the seminar where he teaches it over the PDF, I like Mystery’s passion for what he’s teaching, the vids were on YouTube at some point…Magic Bullets is a more brief version of MM if you want the tl;dr version of it)

– Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation video on YouTube

– Richard LaRuina Formula For Night Game on YouTube (specifically 27:00 to 50:00)

– RSDJulien’s SHIFT (internal game/mindsets/beliefs)

– and RSDJulien’s PIMP (external game aka shit to execute infield)

– and if you just want overall social skills building rapport/comfort with people in general then check out Juggler Method.

I’d say that’s the most efficient route to get legit well-rounded solid pickup skills infield fast. And read TRM of course lol And do your FRs even if you don’t show them to anyone, just writing shit down recapping the night helps your brain focus on how you could do better.

I would these resources out in the order listed too, tho if you’re already going out (so you have decent inner game) and just need help with externals watch PIMP then SHIFT, but if you’re not going out at all yet and are scared to go out, reverse the order of those two and watch SHIFT then PIMP.


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@Samsonite
“I’m moving to that city soon and things are starting to turn monogamous.”

No, things don’t just “turn” monogamous. That’s chick-language, it “just happened” to avoid accountability. You LET things turn monogamous. It’s important to understand that you helped get yourself into the situation you’re in so that next time you don’t allow it to happen.

“Basically we are not dating but agreed to not see other people.”

Like my guide says: most guys are too in scarcity to risk losing the girl so they’ll agree to monogamy instead of holding their ground, and then it blows up in their face. This is why ideally a guy will try a few mLTRs before he settles into a final one, so he can fuck them up a few times like you just did and he can learn WHY all the rules and shit are so important and why you don’t agree to monogamy like you did.

“Recently I found out she hooked up with someone else and no one knows.”

Shocker. The guy who she was attracted to voluntarily gave up all his options for her because he’s scared to lose her and somehow that’s not attractive enough to her to trigger her Hypergamy so she cheats with another guy. You were her Hypergamous best option and you VOLUNTARILY stepped off the throne by agreeing to monogamy.

You did the same thing a guy who gets legally married does: you voluntarily removed your ability to walk out on her. And like I said in my guide, that lowers your value to her and so off she goes to suck a bunch of dick. If you had stood your ground and, if she gave you an ultimatum, just gone radio silent on her, she would be too busy being heartbroken and still madly obsessed with you to go suck a bunch of dicks.

“My question is – do I bring this up to her and let the chips fall where they may or do I let it slide and keep banging her while seeing other people?”

You can bring it up to her, since she’s violating the rules of your monogamous agreement, but it won’t make her attracted to you, it will just make you look like a whiny bitch and continue to lower your status to her. Or you can let it slide, and come off like a cuckolded (because over time she’ll start fucking you less and less, because you’re becoming a 300lbs landwhale to her whenever she doesn’t face consequences for disrespecting you) bitch especially if she ever finds out you knew she was cheating and didn’t even hold her to the agreement you two made (aka you’re a guy who has expectations of others and holds them to those expectations, aka you aren’t a doormat). Or you can call her out but let her make excuses like “oh well I didn’t know we were starting yet” or “oh sorry I just got caught up in the moment it won’t happen again baby (hint: it will)” and let her off the hook with no punishment and again be the soon-to-be-cuckolded doormat bitch who’s so in scarcity that he lets her run wild because he can’t live without her in his life.

You voluntarily put yourself in a Kobayashi Maru.

I’m only being harsh so you fully understand how YOU created this situation you’re in, so you can avoid it with the next girl because you understand how important it is not to agree to monogamy no matter how you rationalize it at the time.

The only recommendation I have for your situation is to catch her cheating and then go apeshit on her in person (while videotaping the whole thing to avoid any false abuse/rape claims, because if this hits your social circle she’ll spin you as the badguy and everyone will take her side) saying stuff along the lines of “we had an agreement and you shit all over it, I don’t even care if you fuck another guy but when you tell me you want to be monogamous and then go behind my back that’s shitty behavior and I don’t hang out with shitty girls” so that she knows it’s about her not keeping her word than about sucking a dick (since she’ll try to frame it as you being butthurt that she sucked a dick) and what that says about her as a person etc etc and then immediately kick her out of your place and go full radio silence on her. Delete her from your Facebook and everything and ignore all of her texts for a few months. Re-Read the stuff by Blackdragon I link in my archive about “how to soft next” and fully understand that shit.

“(I’m only asking because she is in my social circle and I will see her often no matter what when I move)”

Unfortunately, you picked a girl in your social circle to voluntarily enter a monogamous agreement with, so you can’t even really go full radio silence on her because you’re going to bump into her in your social circle activities constantly and have drama. So you’re going to have to basically ignore her or be cordial but distant like you would with a fat chick and ideally try to bring other girls out to make her jealous until she’s chasing hard to get back in your life.

Don’t agree to monogamy.

Look at it this way: it would be better to agree to monogamy if you were going to do that, when you ARE dating because then at least you get dating shit out of it from her (like her meeting your friends and cooking your meals or moving in and potentially having kids with you etc). But you went from getting sex with multiple girls but not getting the dating stuff out of it, to having sex with only one girl and still not getting the dating stuff out of it. And she went from getting sex with multiple guys but not getting the dating stuff, to getting sex with multiple guys and one of them will provide the dating stuff and that’s when she ditches you.

“I’m thinking this could be a blessing in disguise and get me back on the mltr track. Thanks for everything you do for this community.”

Happy to help. But next time listen to my advice and you won’t be in these situations. ;) lol Good luck with it, it’s all a learning experience. You gotta fuck it up a few times before it becomes natural. Listen to a bunch of Patrice O’Neal on YouTube talking about men and women, dude has a rock solid frame for understanding how to keep in the Hypergamous throne to a girl.

@Yollo
“That book says it’s important. You typically say it isn’t. What am I missing here?”

Magic Bullets, MM, etc were written before we really experimented with running pickup without looks. In a way the only reason the looks stuff is in there is because coming from blue pill social conditioning everyone just assumed “of course looks matter” so there was more emphasis on it. We didn’t have many guys going out purposely looking like shit and running game and noting that their looks don’t matter, because everyone was caught up in “hey this peacocking shit works, let’s all worry about our style now!”

But now we’ve experimented with all of that shit and you can find AMPLE infield videos on YouTube, not just from RSD but other guys, of guys just dressed normal nothing special and still slaying it with girls that, by a blue pill socially conditioned value system, shouldn’t be attracted to them.

Here are some good explanations of the “looks” dynamic with regards to actually picking up:

THAT SAID, if you’re a newbie starting out you probably don’t HAVE a solid internal core yet, because you don’t have a lot of field experience or confidence, so ya handle your looks/style so you don’t look like a social retard…do what you can with what you got (get a haircut, update your clothes (get the hottie at the clothing store to help you), try to build a good habit of hitting the gym so you have that habit for your overall health in life down the road etc) and then just let it go and focus on learning game.

And when you’re getting results, start going out dressed plain, or skip getting a haircut, or go out with messy hair, or with a stain on your shirt, etc so that you can collect reference experiences that you can get results without needing that stuff.

“Is it that game and what it will take for me to get good at it should leave me where I can compete and win?”

Game will always overcome looks (and anti-game will sabotage looks lol). But just going out will correct a lot of shit…when you go out a lot you’ll see guys at the club dressed cool and you’ll think “I wanna look cool too” and start working on your style. When you fuck girls and your fat is covering up your dick and they have to lift your fat folds out of the way, you’ll think “maybe I’ll hit the gym so I can be better at this sex stuff”.

The problem is when newbies hear “well ya handle your looks when you’re starting out”, they interpret it as “DON’T TALK TO A SINGLE GIRL UNTIL YOU’RE JACKED AND HAVE A $1000 SUIT AND YOUR HAIR IS PERFECT BECAUSE YOUR BLUE PILL CONDITIOINING WAS RIGHT LOOKS MATTER THE PUAS EVEN ADMITTED IT!!!!!” and end up spending a year in the gym avoiding approaching girls instead of prioritizing approaching girls as you are and just hitting the gym on the side.

“Or is having a look a mandatory thing? I imagine it is, since it helps people to identify with me better. But what’s your take on that?”

BradP talks about “sexy stereotyping” a lot and it’s a good point. If you have a certain style, girls will project a lot of stuff on you (good and bad, like you’ll be more appealing to a girl who likes guys that have your style and you’ll turn off girls who don’t like that style) and you can use that to your advantage at times.

“Where does looks land? For example, in Magic bullets they tell you you should shave your head if your hair is thinning, or get a transplant.”

lol Tyler’s had a giant bald spot for years and there’s plenty of infield footage of girls giving zero fucks. But he’s also gone out a shitload and had enough positive reference experiences to know and fully believe to his core that it doesn’t matter…whereas the newbie starting out who’s insecure about his bald spot because he HASN’T been out a ton and DOESN’T have that strong internal frame and reference experiences that it doesn’t matter, should shave his head or whatever.

@Culum @Yollo
“they are just coming at looks from the “you may as well improve everything you can” angle, which is fine.”

This pretty much. Handle your looks/grooming shit as a newbie, because you don’t have a strong internal core yet because you don’t have a lot of reference experience yet, and over time when you’re getting results, make an effort to occasionally go out not looking your best (fuck your comfort zone as Julien says below) and you’ll slowly collect reference experiences that it doesn’t matter. And when you go out a lot and have girls on the go, you’ll have nights where you’re in a rush and don’t have time to do your hair nice, or you just happened to go along with some friends to a bar before you could shower up and change into your nice clothes, or you have some girl tell you she loves your body when she’s stroking your man-boobs, and you’ll still end up having good results and these things will just sort of expose themselves as not as important as you thought they were, and you’ll end up just dressing like a normal dude who wears what he wants, and grooms himself to whatever level he wants to and hits the gym when he wants…like the field will naturally make you end up doing those things for yourself instead of “to get girls”.

I WISH looks mattered. And girls would just tell me “ew no you need to lose some weight and get a haircut” instead of making out and fucking me lol It would give me incentive to handle that shit which I should be doing just for my health in general.


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@Samsonite
“I’m moving to that city soon and things are starting to turn monogamous.”

No, things don’t just “turn” monogamous. That’s chick-language, it “just happened” to avoid accountability. You LET things turn monogamous. It’s important to understand that you helped get yourself into the situation you’re in so that next time you don’t allow it to happen.

“Basically we are not dating but agreed to not see other people.”

Like my guide says: most guys are too in scarcity to risk losing the girl so they’ll agree to monogamy instead of holding their ground, and then it blows up in their face. This is why ideally a guy will try a few mLTRs before he settles into a final one, so he can fuck them up a few times like you just did and he can learn WHY all the rules and shit are so important and why you don’t agree to monogamy like you did.

“Recently I found out she hooked up with someone else and no one knows.”

Shocker. The guy who she was attracted to voluntarily gave up all his options for her because he’s scared to lose her and somehow that’s not attractive enough to her to trigger her Hypergamy so she cheats with another guy. You were her Hypergamous best option and you VOLUNTARILY stepped off the throne by agreeing to monogamy.

You did the same thing a guy who gets legally married does: you voluntarily removed your ability to walk out on her. And like I said in my guide, that lowers your value to her and so off she goes to suck a bunch of dick. If you had stood your ground and, if she gave you an ultimatum, just gone radio silent on her, she would be too busy being heartbroken and still madly obsessed with you to go suck a bunch of dicks.

“My question is – do I bring this up to her and let the chips fall where they may or do I let it slide and keep banging her while seeing other people?”

You can bring it up to her, since she’s violating the rules of your monogamous agreement, but it won’t make her attracted to you, it will just make you look like a whiny bitch and continue to lower your status to her. Or you can let it slide, and come off like a cuckolded (because over time she’ll start fucking you less and less, because you’re becoming a 300lbs landwhale to her whenever she doesn’t face consequences for disrespecting you) bitch especially if she ever finds out you knew she was cheating and didn’t even hold her to the agreement you two made (aka you’re a guy who has expectations of others and holds them to those expectations, aka you aren’t a doormat). Or you can call her out but let her make excuses like “oh well I didn’t know we were starting yet” or “oh sorry I just got caught up in the moment it won’t happen again baby (hint: it will)” and let her off the hook with no punishment and again be the soon-to-be-cuckolded doormat bitch who’s so in scarcity that he lets her run wild because he can’t live without her in his life.

You voluntarily put yourself in a Kobayashi Maru.

I’m only being harsh so you fully understand how YOU created this situation you’re in, so you can avoid it with the next girl because you understand how important it is not to agree to monogamy no matter how you rationalize it at the time.

The only recommendation I have for your situation is to catch her cheating and then go apeshit on her in person (while videotaping the whole thing to avoid any false abuse/rape claims, because if this hits your social circle she’ll spin you as the badguy and everyone will take her side) saying stuff along the lines of “we had an agreement and you shit all over it, I don’t even care if you fuck another guy but when you tell me you want to be monogamous and then go behind my back that’s shitty behavior and I don’t hang out with shitty girls” so that she knows it’s about her not keeping her word than about sucking a dick (since she’ll try to frame it as you being butthurt that she sucked a dick) and what that says about her as a person etc etc and then immediately kick her out of your place and go full radio silence on her. Delete her from your Facebook and everything and ignore all of her texts for a few months. Re-Read the stuff by Blackdragon I link in my archive about “how to soft next” and fully understand that shit.

“(I’m only asking because she is in my social circle and I will see her often no matter what when I move)”

Unfortunately, you picked a girl in your social circle to voluntarily enter a monogamous agreement with, so you can’t even really go full radio silence on her because you’re going to bump into her in your social circle activities constantly and have drama. So you’re going to have to basically ignore her or be cordial but distant like you would with a fat chick and ideally try to bring other girls out to make her jealous until she’s chasing hard to get back in your life.

Don’t agree to monogamy.

Look at it this way: it would be better to agree to monogamy if you were going to do that, when you ARE dating because then at least you get dating shit out of it from her (like her meeting your friends and cooking your meals or moving in and potentially having kids with you etc). But you went from getting sex with multiple girls but not getting the dating stuff out of it, to having sex with only one girl and still not getting the dating stuff out of it. And she went from getting sex with multiple guys but not getting the dating stuff, to getting sex with multiple guys and one of them will provide the dating stuff and that’s when she ditches you.

“I’m thinking this could be a blessing in disguise and get me back on the mltr track. Thanks for everything you do for this community.”

Happy to help. But next time listen to my advice and you won’t be in these situations. πŸ˜‰ lol Good luck with it, it’s all a learning experience. You gotta fuck it up a few times before it becomes natural. Listen to a bunch of Patrice O’Neal on YouTube talking about men and women, dude has a rock solid frame for understanding how to keep in the Hypergamous throne to a girl.

@Yollo
“That book says it’s important. You typically say it isn’t. What am I missing here?”

Magic Bullets, MM, etc were written before we really experimented with running pickup without looks. In a way the only reason the looks stuff is in there is because coming from blue pill social conditioning everyone just assumed “of course looks matter” so there was more emphasis on it. We didn’t have many guys going out purposely looking like shit and running game and noting that their looks don’t matter, because everyone was caught up in “hey this peacocking shit works, let’s all worry about our style now!”

But now we’ve experimented with all of that shit and you can find AMPLE infield videos on YouTube, not just from RSD but other guys, of guys just dressed normal nothing special and still slaying it with girls that, by a blue pill socially conditioned value system, shouldn’t be attracted to them.

Here are some good explanations of the “looks” dynamic with regards to actually picking up:

THAT SAID, if you’re a newbie starting out you probably don’t HAVE a solid internal core yet, because you don’t have a lot of field experience or confidence, so ya handle your looks/style so you don’t look like a social retard…do what you can with what you got (get a haircut, update your clothes (get the hottie at the clothing store to help you), try to build a good habit of hitting the gym so you have that habit for your overall health in life down the road etc) and then just let it go and focus on learning game.

And when you’re getting results, start going out dressed plain, or skip getting a haircut, or go out with messy hair, or with a stain on your shirt, etc so that you can collect reference experiences that you can get results without needing that stuff.

“Is it that game and what it will take for me to get good at it should leave me where I can compete and win?”

Game will always overcome looks (and anti-game will sabotage looks lol). But just going out will correct a lot of shit…when you go out a lot you’ll see guys at the club dressed cool and you’ll think “I wanna look cool too” and start working on your style. When you fuck girls and your fat is covering up your dick and they have to lift your fat folds out of the way, you’ll think “maybe I’ll hit the gym so I can be better at this sex stuff”.

The problem is when newbies hear “well ya handle your looks when you’re starting out”, they interpret it as “DON’T TALK TO A SINGLE GIRL UNTIL YOU’RE JACKED AND HAVE A $1000 SUIT AND YOUR HAIR IS PERFECT BECAUSE YOUR BLUE PILL CONDITIOINING WAS RIGHT LOOKS MATTER THE PUAS EVEN ADMITTED IT!!!!!” and end up spending a year in the gym avoiding approaching girls instead of prioritizing approaching girls as you are and just hitting the gym on the side.

“Or is having a look a mandatory thing? I imagine it is, since it helps people to identify with me better. But what’s your take on that?”

BradP talks about “sexy stereotyping” a lot and it’s a good point. If you have a certain style, girls will project a lot of stuff on you (good and bad, like you’ll be more appealing to a girl who likes guys that have your style and you’ll turn off girls who don’t like that style) and you can use that to your advantage at times.

“Where does looks land? For example, in Magic bullets they tell you you should shave your head if your hair is thinning, or get a transplant.”

lol Tyler’s had a giant bald spot for years and there’s plenty of infield footage of girls giving zero fucks. But he’s also gone out a shitload and had enough positive reference experiences to know and fully believe to his core that it doesn’t matter…whereas the newbie starting out who’s insecure about his bald spot because he HASN’T been out a ton and DOESN’T have that strong internal frame and reference experiences that it doesn’t matter, should shave his head or whatever.

@Culum @Yollo
“they are just coming at looks from the “you may as well improve everything you can” angle, which is fine.”

This pretty much. Handle your looks/grooming shit as a newbie, because you don’t have a strong internal core yet because you don’t have a lot of reference experience yet, and over time when you’re getting results, make an effort to occasionally go out not looking your best (fuck your comfort zone as Julien says below) and you’ll slowly collect reference experiences that it doesn’t matter. And when you go out a lot and have girls on the go, you’ll have nights where you’re in a rush and don’t have time to do your hair nice, or you just happened to go along with some friends to a bar before you could shower up and change into your nice clothes, or you have some girl tell you she loves your body when she’s stroking your man-boobs, and you’ll still end up having good results and these things will just sort of expose themselves as not as important as you thought they were, and you’ll end up just dressing like a normal dude who wears what he wants, and grooms himself to whatever level he wants to and hits the gym when he wants…like the field will naturally make you end up doing those things for yourself instead of “to get girls”.

I WISH looks mattered. And girls would just tell me “ew no you need to lose some weight and get a haircut” instead of making out and fucking me lol It would give me incentive to handle that shit which I should be doing just for my health in general.


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On the flip of Roosh, side here’s another free long infield breakdown vid by Tyler, who the Roosh cult will tell you is taking advantage of guys and luring them in to suck their money away with tactics that don’t work and they’re a huge scam etc etc …meanwhile Roosh posts a “this is the time to support ROK” post begging for donations, after putting everyone in his cult on the front-line of danger having their faces exposed and their careers (and possibly health, like that one Toronto video where the guy was planning to shoot his followers) ruined so he can be a Z-list celebrity. But ya, RSD is the group taking advantage of guys lol

@scribblerg @sun wukong @forge the sky @rollo @culum struam @sentient @whoever else goes out

Anyway onto the video (it looks like there could be 2 more of these coming as part of the Hotseat promo too, cross your fingers):

His vibe is a little too intense in the breakdown parts of this one, I get the impression he probably saw some newbies fucking up calibration infield the night before or something and he’s pissed about them accidentally creeping out some girls because he keeps hammering that topic. And his repeating of words over and over to make his point is a little annoying. His breakdown in the last infield footage was a lot more chill, but he tones it down after the first half of this, the second half he’s more relaxed.

Stuff to note from this one:

– she’s 21, he’s 35 or some shit, with a ridiculous beard, balding, skinny beanpole body, all that shit…he DOES have height on her so OBVIOUSLY IT’S HEIGHT THAT MATTERS lol

– she has a boyfriend and states it immediately…irrelevant! Like Tyler says “if she HAS a boyfriend and she’s still hanging out with me, then he’s not doing it for her” If she didn’t cheat with Tyler she’d cheat with someone else at some point…that guy is ALREADY failing to fully satisfy her, that’s not Tyler’s fault or HER fault. That’s her boyfriend’s fault. Even if Tyler walked away, she would go through the motions with her boyfriend until she found someone else…that relationship was dead in the water the minute she didn’t tell Tyler to fuck off. If her boyfriend was fully satisfying her, she would tell him to fuck off. Like I’ve said a million times, the one type of girl that I know there’s no way I can get is the one that’s legitimately fully satisfied by her man (aka he triggers her Hypergamy and I can’t trigger it better)

– for the guys who hate gaming inside clubs/bars, why not just game on the street? There are hours before and after the bar where there are plenty of girls on the street to game. If you live near a bar district (which you should be looking to do if you want to get good fast), and you aren’t feeling like blowing a bunch of $ on pre-drinking, cover, coat-check, drinks, redbulls, etc why not just take a nap when you get home from work, wake up around 10pm, shower up and go for a walk around the streets for a couple hours and open whatever you see and try to pull a girl home or go home with a girl?

– note how low energy he is…same as the last video he starts with a high-energy move, but then pulls it back and lowers the vibe down into “realness” territory where he’s not just spiking her Buying Temp non-stop, he’s creating a feeling like they’re friends who’ve known eachother for years and she doesn’t write him off as just the “fun club guy”

– notice all his calibration, there are points where she’s seemingly running away from him, but he knows when to back off and when to give her space and when to switch gears and go with her etc, he’s CONSTANTLY reading her reactions and calibrating to stay right on the edge of leading/pushing without crossing into being creepy and when he DOES accidentally cross that line he can tell and he makes a Statement of Empathy (like “sorry am I being that creepy guy on the street now?” to show that he can tell what she’s feeling aka he has social calibration) and he backs off a bit

– he talks about sex right away, using “I can’t go home with you I’m too shy” when she didn’t even offer it, but it sets a sexual frame right away and assumes attraction and is a future projection and misinterpretation (“I’m going home” and he takes it as an invite to have sex)

– he doesn’t introduce himself, he waits for her to ask his name because that’s a free indicator of interest he can use to guage the interaction…you CAN introduce yourself right away, but then you don’t have that free “I’m interested in you!!” indicator that her asking your name would have been…that ioi helps tell him where he’s at with attraction

– lots of great information about being an older balding man with young 21yo girls and how they respond to his frame and Daddy vibe older men have (the oak tree vibe I talk about), and how they’re 21, of COURSE they’re not going to be able to have a deep fascinating conversation about the world, so don’t expect it, just enjoy their young bubbly feminine energy for what it is. If you want deep conversation get some close bros your age. Girls are for FUN and SEX and LAUGHTER

– also note the stuff about them qualifying themselves to you and LETTING them do that…I actually fuck this one up myself because the oldschool mentality was a lot more “entertain the girl or she’ll walk away” and I was younger and less grounded so I built up some dancing monkey habits from those days. But now “less is more”, and the more she LIKES you the less you need to do…in the last infield (linked below) note how Tyler is loud and crazy at the start but once he hooks the girl he gets lower and lower energy and is just leaning against the bar being chill, and by the end of it when she wants his number he’s barely even responding to her or doing anything, because he’s hooked her. Same thing with this, the more she’s hooked the less he does…he still leads it towards them going home together, but he’s not swirling and twirling around, he’s letting HER do a lot of the work (which goes back to Julien and Todd’s stressing of making her INVEST in the interaction)

– pay attention to his explanation of the madonna/whore shit…she’ll just hide it from guys who judge her, and the guy who sparks that side of her she’ll reveal it for…you can’t control them long-term, just stay high-value and understand game and give her the FULL rollercoaster of good and bad emotions and trigger her Hypergamy

– Tyler didn’t highlight it but the girl’s car has another car parked in front of it so she can’t get it out and they have to go talk to the guy at the front and make him move it etc a LOT of guys would panic as soon as they realize the car is parked in front of her car and would be like “OH NO THIS’LL BE DRAMA AND KILL HER STATE!!! OBSTACLE!! COCKBLOCKEDDD!!!” and let shit fall apart or let her freak out etc. But Tyler just stays chill and they just go resolve the situation and he keeps her engaged through it, no big deal. If she started to freak out like “Fuck this always happens!!” he would just go “HEY!!” and cut her emotional rise off (like the Dog Whisperer tapping a dog to get it to stop escalating it’s rage at a passing car) and tell her they’ll go handle it and take her hand and take her over to the parking guy to solve the situation, keeping it light and fun. Remember this when a girl loses her phone, her coat-check ticket, her friends, etc etc Don’t let those situations spiral into crazy drama when they don’t have to

– on looks, Tyler talks about how girls all tell him he must be rich, because he’s too ugly to be that confident and assume attraction lol and note how much this girl is complimenting him, from his amazing brain when he’s barely said anything to just how awesome he is over and over, just like the girl in the LAST infield footage who keeps saying he’s awesome and she loves him etc When Tyler gives a seminar speech where he SAYS “I get complimented by girls all the time” everyone scoffs, because they don’t go out enough, and don’t run proper game, or try running proper game when they aren’t in their custom-fitted suit with their hair perfectly groomed etc, and don’t experience this shit first-hand so they think it’s impossible that Tyler would get these kinds of reactions. This is a 21yo girl complimenting and qualifying herself to mid-30s has-two-kids-and-a-baby-mama TYLER. TYLER:

TYLER. lol

– note that he never tells her what he does for a living, doesn’t tell her where he lives or how nice it is, doesn’t tell her what kind of car he drives, hell when she compliments his jacket he tells her he got it at H&M for TEN DOLLARS. He could have lied and said it was expensive or let her just assume it was but he actively tells her it cost $10. Because he knows it doesn’t matter

– none of this is CRAZY. This is just a guy who “gets it” picking up a girl who wants to get fucked by a guy who “gets it”. Learning all the calibration and dynamics and shit to get TO this point can take a while, years of going out and pushing yourself out of your comfort zone infield etc. But once you GET it, it doesn’t LOOK like crazy swirly twirly pickup with fuzzy hats and palm-reading. It just looks like a guy shooting the shit with a girl and they just go home together.

And here’s the last hour-long infield breakdown incase you missed it:

In my mind both of these are mandatory viewing if you’re out learning pickup. We would have KILLED for infield footage and explanations like this back when I started learning game. If this had existed back in the mid-2000s I would have watched this shit frame by frame analyzing it and learning from it. Now guys will skip through it giving no fucks and then complain “ehh, I didn’t see you put your dick inside her so it doesn’t count, and you should put up some infield of you pulling 3-somes” (meanwhile they aren’t even going out and making out with girls let alone pulling or in need of 3-some instructional footage lol)

It’s Valentine’s Week, girls are on the prowl this week looking for someone to spend V-Day with. Watch these videos then get the fuck out there. You should be out MINIMUM Thurs Fri Sat and Sun (V-Day) this week. If you want to get numbers watch Julien’s PIMP video on number-closes and his SHIFT infield with the blonde pornstar chick in the bright nightclub that he opens talking about his sword and closes with a solid number close (basically time-bridge some V-Day plans HARD and make her invest etc so she doesn’t flake).


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On the flip of Roosh, side here’s another free long infield breakdown vid by Tyler, who the Roosh cult will tell you is taking advantage of guys and luring them in to suck their money away with tactics that don’t work and they’re a huge scam etc etc …meanwhile Roosh posts a “this is the time to support ROK” post begging for donations, after putting everyone in his cult on the front-line of danger having their faces exposed and their careers (and possibly health, like that one Toronto video where the guy was planning to shoot his followers) ruined so he can be a Z-list celebrity. But ya, RSD is the group taking advantage of guys lol

@scribblerg @sun wukong @forge the sky @rollo @culum struam @sentient @whoever else goes out

Anyway onto the video (it looks like there could be 2 more of these coming as part of the Hotseat promo too, cross your fingers):

His vibe is a little too intense in the breakdown parts of this one, I get the impression he probably saw some newbies fucking up calibration infield the night before or something and he’s pissed about them accidentally creeping out some girls because he keeps hammering that topic. And his repeating of words over and over to make his point is a little annoying. His breakdown in the last infield footage was a lot more chill, but he tones it down after the first half of this, the second half he’s more relaxed.

Stuff to note from this one:

– she’s 21, he’s 35 or some shit, with a ridiculous beard, balding, skinny beanpole body, all that shit…he DOES have height on her so OBVIOUSLY IT’S HEIGHT THAT MATTERS lol

– she has a boyfriend and states it immediately…irrelevant! Like Tyler says “if she HAS a boyfriend and she’s still hanging out with me, then he’s not doing it for her” If she didn’t cheat with Tyler she’d cheat with someone else at some point…that guy is ALREADY failing to fully satisfy her, that’s not Tyler’s fault or HER fault. That’s her boyfriend’s fault. Even if Tyler walked away, she would go through the motions with her boyfriend until she found someone else…that relationship was dead in the water the minute she didn’t tell Tyler to fuck off. If her boyfriend was fully satisfying her, she would tell him to fuck off. Like I’ve said a million times, the one type of girl that I know there’s no way I can get is the one that’s legitimately fully satisfied by her man (aka he triggers her Hypergamy and I can’t trigger it better)

– for the guys who hate gaming inside clubs/bars, why not just game on the street? There are hours before and after the bar where there are plenty of girls on the street to game. If you live near a bar district (which you should be looking to do if you want to get good fast), and you aren’t feeling like blowing a bunch of $ on pre-drinking, cover, coat-check, drinks, redbulls, etc why not just take a nap when you get home from work, wake up around 10pm, shower up and go for a walk around the streets for a couple hours and open whatever you see and try to pull a girl home or go home with a girl?

– note how low energy he is…same as the last video he starts with a high-energy move, but then pulls it back and lowers the vibe down into “realness” territory where he’s not just spiking her Buying Temp non-stop, he’s creating a feeling like they’re friends who’ve known eachother for years and she doesn’t write him off as just the “fun club guy”

– notice all his calibration, there are points where she’s seemingly running away from him, but he knows when to back off and when to give her space and when to switch gears and go with her etc, he’s CONSTANTLY reading her reactions and calibrating to stay right on the edge of leading/pushing without crossing into being creepy and when he DOES accidentally cross that line he can tell and he makes a Statement of Empathy (like “sorry am I being that creepy guy on the street now?” to show that he can tell what she’s feeling aka he has social calibration) and he backs off a bit

– he talks about sex right away, using “I can’t go home with you I’m too shy” when she didn’t even offer it, but it sets a sexual frame right away and assumes attraction and is a future projection and misinterpretation (“I’m going home” and he takes it as an invite to have sex)

– he doesn’t introduce himself, he waits for her to ask his name because that’s a free indicator of interest he can use to guage the interaction…you CAN introduce yourself right away, but then you don’t have that free “I’m interested in you!!” indicator that her asking your name would have been…that ioi helps tell him where he’s at with attraction

– lots of great information about being an older balding man with young 21yo girls and how they respond to his frame and Daddy vibe older men have (the oak tree vibe I talk about), and how they’re 21, of COURSE they’re not going to be able to have a deep fascinating conversation about the world, so don’t expect it, just enjoy their young bubbly feminine energy for what it is. If you want deep conversation get some close bros your age. Girls are for FUN and SEX and LAUGHTER

– also note the stuff about them qualifying themselves to you and LETTING them do that…I actually fuck this one up myself because the oldschool mentality was a lot more “entertain the girl or she’ll walk away” and I was younger and less grounded so I built up some dancing monkey habits from those days. But now “less is more”, and the more she LIKES you the less you need to do…in the last infield (linked below) note how Tyler is loud and crazy at the start but once he hooks the girl he gets lower and lower energy and is just leaning against the bar being chill, and by the end of it when she wants his number he’s barely even responding to her or doing anything, because he’s hooked her. Same thing with this, the more she’s hooked the less he does…he still leads it towards them going home together, but he’s not swirling and twirling around, he’s letting HER do a lot of the work (which goes back to Julien and Todd’s stressing of making her INVEST in the interaction)

– pay attention to his explanation of the madonna/whore shit…she’ll just hide it from guys who judge her, and the guy who sparks that side of her she’ll reveal it for…you can’t control them long-term, just stay high-value and understand game and give her the FULL rollercoaster of good and bad emotions and trigger her Hypergamy

– Tyler didn’t highlight it but the girl’s car has another car parked in front of it so she can’t get it out and they have to go talk to the guy at the front and make him move it etc a LOT of guys would panic as soon as they realize the car is parked in front of her car and would be like “OH NO THIS’LL BE DRAMA AND KILL HER STATE!!! OBSTACLE!! COCKBLOCKEDDD!!!” and let shit fall apart or let her freak out etc. But Tyler just stays chill and they just go resolve the situation and he keeps her engaged through it, no big deal. If she started to freak out like “Fuck this always happens!!” he would just go “HEY!!” and cut her emotional rise off (like the Dog Whisperer tapping a dog to get it to stop escalating it’s rage at a passing car) and tell her they’ll go handle it and take her hand and take her over to the parking guy to solve the situation, keeping it light and fun. Remember this when a girl loses her phone, her coat-check ticket, her friends, etc etc Don’t let those situations spiral into crazy drama when they don’t have to

– on looks, Tyler talks about how girls all tell him he must be rich, because he’s too ugly to be that confident and assume attraction lol and note how much this girl is complimenting him, from his amazing brain when he’s barely said anything to just how awesome he is over and over, just like the girl in the LAST infield footage who keeps saying he’s awesome and she loves him etc When Tyler gives a seminar speech where he SAYS “I get complimented by girls all the time” everyone scoffs, because they don’t go out enough, and don’t run proper game, or try running proper game when they aren’t in their custom-fitted suit with their hair perfectly groomed etc, and don’t experience this shit first-hand so they think it’s impossible that Tyler would get these kinds of reactions. This is a 21yo girl complimenting and qualifying herself to mid-30s has-two-kids-and-a-baby-mama TYLER. TYLER:

TYLER. lol

– note that he never tells her what he does for a living, doesn’t tell her where he lives or how nice it is, doesn’t tell her what kind of car he drives, hell when she compliments his jacket he tells her he got it at H&M for TEN DOLLARS. He could have lied and said it was expensive or let her just assume it was but he actively tells her it cost $10. Because he knows it doesn’t matter

– none of this is CRAZY. This is just a guy who “gets it” picking up a girl who wants to get fucked by a guy who “gets it”. Learning all the calibration and dynamics and shit to get TO this point can take a while, years of going out and pushing yourself out of your comfort zone infield etc. But once you GET it, it doesn’t LOOK like crazy swirly twirly pickup with fuzzy hats and palm-reading. It just looks like a guy shooting the shit with a girl and they just go home together.

And here’s the last hour-long infield breakdown incase you missed it:

In my mind both of these are mandatory viewing if you’re out learning pickup. We would have KILLED for infield footage and explanations like this back when I started learning game. If this had existed back in the mid-2000s I would have watched this shit frame by frame analyzing it and learning from it. Now guys will skip through it giving no fucks and then complain “ehh, I didn’t see you put your dick inside her so it doesn’t count, and you should put up some infield of you pulling 3-somes” (meanwhile they aren’t even going out and making out with girls let alone pulling or in need of 3-some instructional footage lol)

It’s Valentine’s Week, girls are on the prowl this week looking for someone to spend V-Day with. Watch these videos then get the fuck out there. You should be out MINIMUM Thurs Fri Sat and Sun (V-Day) this week. If you want to get numbers watch Julien’s PIMP video on number-closes and his SHIFT infield with the blonde pornstar chick in the bright nightclub that he opens talking about his sword and closes with a solid number close (basically time-bridge some V-Day plans HARD and make her invest etc so she doesn’t flake).


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on February 9th, 2016 at 1:22 am
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@IAS
“What is the fundamental difference in doing this kind of amoral sacrifice for self-benefit, and knowingly gaming and having sex with someone’s wife?”

My view of it (not at all endorsed by Rollo I’m just throwing out my thoughts off the top of my head):

Ideally all guys learn game and they bang enough taken girls that they lose the blue pill illusions that guys are under thinking their girl won’t cheat on them, and they learn to understand why women cheat, Hypergamy, etc and the next generation of men as a whole bail on that whole Disney fantasy and have a more realistic understanding of women and what to expect from them.

Ya some of the guys IN those relationships end up being sacrificed (although even then that’s only if they find out which they often don’t), but ultimately it’s for a greater good for men in general. A generation or two from now, when men have seen enough of this shit they won’t be willingly signing half their assets up for such a lopsided deal, or if they do they’ll understand Hypergamy etc and how to make a long term relationship work because they’ve seen all this shit or have buddies who’ve seen enough of it. And even then some of the guys who DO find out they’ve been cheated on will convert to the red pill and learn, and all will pass on that wisdom to the next generation.

On top of that, cheating is happening whether guys actively learn the dynamics behind it or not. That beta married to a wife who’s unsatisfied is probably going to be cheated on at some point in the next 40 years of her not being happy, it kind of doesn’t matter whether it’s a PUA or just a random Chad Thundercock on a girls’ night out. So it’s taking something that already happens and using it to teach men how chick psychology works so they don’t end up being the guy getting cheated on or being in a legal situation where being cheated on would destroy them.

Like that Tyler video I just linked, the girl says she has a boyfriend and Tyler still picks her up. That’s an entire room of men who, from Tyler sacrificing that boyfriend, won’t have the same Disney illusions that boyfriend has that let him think he can keep a girl who’s unsatisfied reined in like blue pill programming told him. And that video already has almost 8000 views (and will probably end up with around 40,000 views like his last infield vid had)…so that’ll be like 40,000 men who come out of the Disney illusion because of that one guy’s sacrifice, and that guy was VERY LIKELY to have been cheated on ANYWAY because Tyler barely had to do anything to help it happen.

So it could be argued that that one guy’s sacrifice makes 40,000 more guys wise up and avoid BEING that guy trapped in the Disney spell.

But with Roosh the only one who really benefits long-term from his sacrificing all these guys is Roosh himself. The guys who have their faces plastered around the net as rape advocates now aren’t going to benefit in any way from that. No one else is going to benefit from that, certainly not THOSE guys if they get doxxed. The only one who benefits is Roosh who can spin those guys’ sacrifice (esp if one of them was actually beaten or shot or killed by a mob he purposely riled up) as danger to him that he needs to set up another press conference about btw plz donate thx every1

That’s my take on it lol


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YaReally
on February 9th, 2016 at 1:22 am
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@IAS
“What is the fundamental difference in doing this kind of amoral sacrifice for self-benefit, and knowingly gaming and having sex with someone’s wife?”

My view of it (not at all endorsed by Rollo I’m just throwing out my thoughts off the top of my head):

Ideally all guys learn game and they bang enough taken girls that they lose the blue pill illusions that guys are under thinking their girl won’t cheat on them, and they learn to understand why women cheat, Hypergamy, etc and the next generation of men as a whole bail on that whole Disney fantasy and have a more realistic understanding of women and what to expect from them.

Ya some of the guys IN those relationships end up being sacrificed (although even then that’s only if they find out which they often don’t), but ultimately it’s for a greater good for men in general. A generation or two from now, when men have seen enough of this shit they won’t be willingly signing half their assets up for such a lopsided deal, or if they do they’ll understand Hypergamy etc and how to make a long term relationship work because they’ve seen all this shit or have buddies who’ve seen enough of it. And even then some of the guys who DO find out they’ve been cheated on will convert to the red pill and learn, and all will pass on that wisdom to the next generation.

On top of that, cheating is happening whether guys actively learn the dynamics behind it or not. That beta married to a wife who’s unsatisfied is probably going to be cheated on at some point in the next 40 years of her not being happy, it kind of doesn’t matter whether it’s a PUA or just a random Chad Thundercock on a girls’ night out. So it’s taking something that already happens and using it to teach men how chick psychology works so they don’t end up being the guy getting cheated on or being in a legal situation where being cheated on would destroy them.

Like that Tyler video I just linked, the girl says she has a boyfriend and Tyler still picks her up. That’s an entire room of men who, from Tyler sacrificing that boyfriend, won’t have the same Disney illusions that boyfriend has that let him think he can keep a girl who’s unsatisfied reined in like blue pill programming told him. And that video already has almost 8000 views (and will probably end up with around 40,000 views like his last infield vid had)…so that’ll be like 40,000 men who come out of the Disney illusion because of that one guy’s sacrifice, and that guy was VERY LIKELY to have been cheated on ANYWAY because Tyler barely had to do anything to help it happen.

So it could be argued that that one guy’s sacrifice makes 40,000 more guys wise up and avoid BEING that guy trapped in the Disney spell.

But with Roosh the only one who really benefits long-term from his sacrificing all these guys is Roosh himself. The guys who have their faces plastered around the net as rape advocates now aren’t going to benefit in any way from that. No one else is going to benefit from that, certainly not THOSE guys if they get doxxed. The only one who benefits is Roosh who can spin those guys’ sacrifice (esp if one of them was actually beaten or shot or killed by a mob he purposely riled up) as danger to him that he needs to set up another press conference about btw plz donate thx every1

That’s my take on it lol


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YaReally
on February 9th, 2016 at 1:38 pm
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@Anonymous Reader
“Blue pill men have a visceral reaction to the concept of rape, and are ready to string up any man even accused of rape. So they won’t be led to the red pill, they’ll reject it because of the association with raype. ”

“when a blue pill man contemplates the word “rape” he envisions the object of his oneitis being attacked by a savage”

For an example of this visceral reaction, see scribblerg’s comments about Roosh’s legalize rape THOUGHT EXPERIMENT lol holy shit.

@scribblerg

Time to take a chill pill yo. I can’t believe I have to defend Roosh but here are quotes from his SUPER TOTALLY 100% SERIOUS ARTICLE ABOUT LEGALIZING RAPE:

“This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped, so I *carefully examined the articles on Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post* that were *written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium.*”

“Thankfully, a man only has to be told the phrase “rape is bad” at some point after puberty by an *overweight feminist to definitively stop his future brutal and bloody rape career. It’s a miracle that more men have not raped their mothers, babysitters, and sisters before being taught in college that rape is actually not a good thing.*”

“After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours— *perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.*”

“*If a woman is indeed a child* then maybe we really need to keep promoting “rape culture” as a way to keep them safe, *but if they are actual adults, which is often claimed, then we can start treating them like adults* by allowing them to take responsibility for the things that happen to them *which are easily preventable with barely a strain of cognitive thought, awareness, and self control.*”

If you can’t understand that he’s being sarcastic/satire/irony/whatever you want to call it, in his usual Roosh deadpan sense of humor way, I don’t even know how to explain it to you lol Do you get outraged reading this?:

http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

“I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled …”

OMG HE ACTUALLY WANTS PPL TO EAT BABIEZ!!!!!111 THIS IS NOT SATIRE THIS IS A SUGGESTION BECAUSE I AM WORKED UP EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT LIKE A DOG BARKING AT A CAR AND I AM DECLARING IT TO BE A GLIMPSE INTO JONATHAN SWIFT’S DARK MONSTEROUS SOUL!!!!111

It sounds like someone you know or someone in your family has been raped, or you’ve pictured the idea of your daughter being raped and it’s such a horrible thing to you that the very idea that anyone anywhere would ever talk or joke about rape is the devil incarnate, but this is a Red Pill forum where men discuss shit that isn’t politically correct and Roosh’s article is VERY CLEARLY a thought experiment and poking the feminist bear for outrage, not an actual suggestion.

It’s cool if you just don’t want to read discussions about rape, but running around here flailing your arms clutching your pearls trying to shame everyone and demanding they don’t talk about subjects you don’t like and that they answer all your shit and take everything as overly serious as you do and get as worked up as you are is just silly. Leave if you want, the forum and Rollo are here to help you…if you want to LARP about “who you’re making common cause with” that’s your choice but don’t harass Rollo like you’re some “Do you believe women deserve the same pay as men? THEN YOU’RE A FEMINIST HAH GOTCHA!!!!!” SJW-tard.

@Anonymous Reader @scribblerg
“Perhaps you could take all those issues up in detail on your own blog?”

This. Quit trying to dictate who’s allowed to talk about what here. You’re not a moderator, and the more worked up emotional rage/threatening you get about it the more ridiculous it looks. This is the INTERNET…puffing your chest at guys might get them to roll their eyes and back down in real life because they realize it’s not worth arguing with a worked up old man, but on the internet it makes it look like you just don’t understand how the internet works lol Quit pushing people around on someone else’s blog.

@Rollo @scribblerg
“The Red Pill is a praxeology that benefits from the input of all races experience in intergender dynamism.”

This. The entire concept of racism is retarded to the actual PUA community which is FULL of minorities and shit, from students to instructors. RSD has has asian, indian, black, etc instructors. A ton of my friends, from as far back as childhood even, let alone groups I’ve met and become good friends with since I started pickup, are minorities. That shit is 100% a Manosphere thing and part of why I roll my eyes at how bitter and angry the Manosphere is compared to actual PUA communities. I don’t even consider guys like Krauser or Roosh to be PUAs, they’re “Manosphere PUAs” which are guys who’ve taken and repackaged PUA shit but thrown their own personal issues into it (like Krauser’s racisty meltdown on the RVF). It’s all ridiculous shit to the PUA community. You know how many threads there were on RSDNation about Roosh? Fucking zero lol No one cares, he’s just some angry homophobic racisty asshole. We’re cool with gay people too lol Lots of us have friends that are gay or hang with lesbians etc. All that bitter angry shit is from the bowels of the Manosphere and part of the reason I bailed on CH for TRM is that if Rollo DOES talk about race etc it’s through the lens of a productive discussion and not “nigger this, jew that, which race is the supreme race” lol whereas CH has just decided to pander to a specific outrage audience.

@10×10
“You can’t ignore one because you want to be less controversial. Black and brown skinned people are more r-selected in their sexual reproductive strategies. They also have lower IQs. These things have consequences.”

lol I can point you to a fuckload of “black and brown skinned people” born and raised in North America who are beta as fuuuuuck and are more blue pill chode than white nerds at a World of Warcraft convention, and another fuckload of “black and brown skinned people” who are doctors lawyers etc from the crowds I used to roll with. There probably ARE biological differences/trends based in race, I don’t really know or care, but they’re insignificant because social/cultural programming can overcome them. Unfortunately there’s a lack of GOOD programming out there.

@Culum
“I have no idea what Rollo’s views on the above subjects are, but I actually don’t care. Unlike CH he’s not dragging extraneous opinions into discussions of the Red Pill and I see enormous value in the core Red Pill discussions – in his posts and in these comments. That won’t change based on whether he happens to agree or disagree with me on extraneous issues, if you see what I mean. ”

This.

@Sun Wukong
“This is a big part of why I avoid that demographic. They’re less physically attractive than their younger counterparts, more likely to provider pigeonhole you, more likely to be single moms already, and more likely to establish frame by saying they don’t fuck on the first date straight out of the gate.”

lol this. To me there’s literally nothing but downsides to the 25+ crowd. Watch the Tyler infield footage I’ve been linking, and Julien’s SHIFT infield, Ozzie’s infield…<25yo girls don't care if you're older than them (as long as it doesn't bother YOU), so why would a guy waste his time with the 25+ baggage/damage cases when he can just spend his time focusing on getting rid of his age hangups and macking the <25yo crowd?

The unfortunate part is that a lot of the <25yo in 2016 is ALSO single moms and ALSO often have boyfriends lol

@LostinThePlantation
http://www.mgtowhq.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=104

@newlyaloof
"End rant. Now back to YaReally’s awesome comment to remind us of where we should devote most of our emotional energy to instead of this shit that tears dude’s apart."
<3 All this shit is fun to talk about, but end of the day get out there and talk to some hotties lol


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YaReally
on February 9th, 2016 at 1:38 pm
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@Anonymous Reader
“Blue pill men have a visceral reaction to the concept of rape, and are ready to string up any man even accused of rape. So they won’t be led to the red pill, they’ll reject it because of the association with raype. ”

“when a blue pill man contemplates the word “rape” he envisions the object of his oneitis being attacked by a savage”

For an example of this visceral reaction, see scribblerg’s comments about Roosh’s legalize rape THOUGHT EXPERIMENT lol holy shit.

@scribblerg

Time to take a chill pill yo. I can’t believe I have to defend Roosh but here are quotes from his SUPER TOTALLY 100% SERIOUS ARTICLE ABOUT LEGALIZING RAPE:

“This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped, so I *carefully examined the articles on Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post* that were *written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium.*”

“Thankfully, a man only has to be told the phrase “rape is bad” at some point after puberty by an *overweight feminist to definitively stop his future brutal and bloody rape career. It’s a miracle that more men have not raped their mothers, babysitters, and sisters before being taught in college that rape is actually not a good thing.*”

“After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours— *perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.*”

“*If a woman is indeed a child* then maybe we really need to keep promoting “rape culture” as a way to keep them safe, *but if they are actual adults, which is often claimed, then we can start treating them like adults* by allowing them to take responsibility for the things that happen to them *which are easily preventable with barely a strain of cognitive thought, awareness, and self control.*”

If you can’t understand that he’s being sarcastic/satire/irony/whatever you want to call it, in his usual Roosh deadpan sense of humor way, I don’t even know how to explain it to you lol Do you get outraged reading this?:

http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

“I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled …”

OMG HE ACTUALLY WANTS PPL TO EAT BABIEZ!!!!!111 THIS IS NOT SATIRE THIS IS A SUGGESTION BECAUSE I AM WORKED UP EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT LIKE A DOG BARKING AT A CAR AND I AM DECLARING IT TO BE A GLIMPSE INTO JONATHAN SWIFT’S DARK MONSTEROUS SOUL!!!!111

It sounds like someone you know or someone in your family has been raped, or you’ve pictured the idea of your daughter being raped and it’s such a horrible thing to you that the very idea that anyone anywhere would ever talk or joke about rape is the devil incarnate, but this is a Red Pill forum where men discuss shit that isn’t politically correct and Roosh’s article is VERY CLEARLY a thought experiment and poking the feminist bear for outrage, not an actual suggestion.

It’s cool if you just don’t want to read discussions about rape, but running around here flailing your arms clutching your pearls trying to shame everyone and demanding they don’t talk about subjects you don’t like and that they answer all your shit and take everything as overly serious as you do and get as worked up as you are is just silly. Leave if you want, the forum and Rollo are here to help you…if you want to LARP about “who you’re making common cause with” that’s your choice but don’t harass Rollo like you’re some “Do you believe women deserve the same pay as men? THEN YOU’RE A FEMINIST HAH GOTCHA!!!!!” SJW-tard.

@Anonymous Reader @scribblerg
“Perhaps you could take all those issues up in detail on your own blog?”

This. Quit trying to dictate who’s allowed to talk about what here. You’re not a moderator, and the more worked up emotional rage/threatening you get about it the more ridiculous it looks. This is the INTERNET…puffing your chest at guys might get them to roll their eyes and back down in real life because they realize it’s not worth arguing with a worked up old man, but on the internet it makes it look like you just don’t understand how the internet works lol Quit pushing people around on someone else’s blog.

@Rollo @scribblerg
“The Red Pill is a praxeology that benefits from the input of all races experience in intergender dynamism.”

This. The entire concept of racism is retarded to the actual PUA community which is FULL of minorities and shit, from students to instructors. RSD has has asian, indian, black, etc instructors. A ton of my friends, from as far back as childhood even, let alone groups I’ve met and become good friends with since I started pickup, are minorities. That shit is 100% a Manosphere thing and part of why I roll my eyes at how bitter and angry the Manosphere is compared to actual PUA communities. I don’t even consider guys like Krauser or Roosh to be PUAs, they’re “Manosphere PUAs” which are guys who’ve taken and repackaged PUA shit but thrown their own personal issues into it (like Krauser’s racisty meltdown on the RVF). It’s all ridiculous shit to the PUA community. You know how many threads there were on RSDNation about Roosh? Fucking zero lol No one cares, he’s just some angry homophobic racisty asshole. We’re cool with gay people too lol Lots of us have friends that are gay or hang with lesbians etc. All that bitter angry shit is from the bowels of the Manosphere and part of the reason I bailed on CH for TRM is that if Rollo DOES talk about race etc it’s through the lens of a productive discussion and not “nigger this, jew that, which race is the supreme race” lol whereas CH has just decided to pander to a specific outrage audience.

@10×10
“You can’t ignore one because you want to be less controversial. Black and brown skinned people are more r-selected in their sexual reproductive strategies. They also have lower IQs. These things have consequences.”

lol I can point you to a fuckload of “black and brown skinned people” born and raised in North America who are beta as fuuuuuck and are more blue pill chode than white nerds at a World of Warcraft convention, and another fuckload of “black and brown skinned people” who are doctors lawyers etc from the crowds I used to roll with. There probably ARE biological differences/trends based in race, I don’t really know or care, but they’re insignificant because social/cultural programming can overcome them. Unfortunately there’s a lack of GOOD programming out there.

@Culum
“I have no idea what Rollo’s views on the above subjects are, but I actually don’t care. Unlike CH he’s not dragging extraneous opinions into discussions of the Red Pill and I see enormous value in the core Red Pill discussions – in his posts and in these comments. That won’t change based on whether he happens to agree or disagree with me on extraneous issues, if you see what I mean. ”

This.

@Sun Wukong
“This is a big part of why I avoid that demographic. They’re less physically attractive than their younger counterparts, more likely to provider pigeonhole you, more likely to be single moms already, and more likely to establish frame by saying they don’t fuck on the first date straight out of the gate.”

lol this. To me there’s literally nothing but downsides to the 25+ crowd. Watch the Tyler infield footage I’ve been linking, and Julien’s SHIFT infield, Ozzie’s infield…<25yo girls don't care if you're older than them (as long as it doesn't bother YOU), so why would a guy waste his time with the 25+ baggage/damage cases when he can just spend his time focusing on getting rid of his age hangups and macking the <25yo crowd?

The unfortunate part is that a lot of the <25yo in 2016 is ALSO single moms and ALSO often have boyfriends lol

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❀ All this shit is fun to talk about, but end of the day get out there and talk to some hotties lol


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Nice try, Roosh! lol


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aww I thought the asterixes would bold shit. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WORDPRESS AT ALL.


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aww I thought the asterixes would bold shit. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WORDPRESS AT ALL.


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It’s because I secretly hate old men and propose that they should be eaten to solve world hunger, the wrinkles will make them taste like large raisins. O NO WATCH OUT SCRIBBLERG IS GONNA GET ME FOR PROPOSING LEGAL CHANGES THAT MAKE OLD MEN CANNIBALISM LEGALIZED!!!11 MY SOUL IS DARK AND EVIL!!

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It’s because I secretly hate old men and propose that they should be eaten to solve world hunger, the wrinkles will make them taste like large raisins. O NO WATCH OUT SCRIBBLERG IS GONNA GET ME FOR PROPOSING LEGAL CHANGES THAT MAKE OLD MEN CANNIBALISM LEGALIZED!!!11 MY SOUL IS DARK AND EVIL!!

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Like I said there might be differences, and probably are, but they’re insignificant and can be easily overcome with cultural programming and education. When you say “but in the ghetto black people are all shooting eachother” that’s because in the ghetto they have shitty cultural programming going on, the black guys in a better cultural environment with better programming (like the white-washed fully assimilated minorities I met growing up in small primarily white towns) aren’t going around acting like street gangstas. Take a black, white, brown, asian dude and put him alone in a small white town and he’ll end up with the same attitudes etc as the rest of them, just like Eminem acts like a dude from the ghetto. Like I’ve said before (but it’s clear you aren’t actually reading anything and are just using this comment section as a platform to preach lol) it’s more the lack of assimilation and good cultural programming that’s the issue than inherent biological differences (which entirely might exist, like you say the brain doesn’t have a magical shield around it, but just aren’t significant and I would bet are more based on location than race).

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lol xsplat. I spanked him into running away when I first arrived in the Manosphere by just calling him out on his silly shit. When I first started commenting at CH pretty much nobody was ACTUALLY going out, the comment section was crammed full of keyboard jockeys waxing theory so there were a bunch of guys everyone was giving WAY too much authority to because they just wrote with a really conclusive authoritative frame. Xsplat, KingA, that guy who said he carried a baretta in his man-purse, lol I think my first few months there were just calling those guys out on their keyboard theories till they ran away.

In other news on Roosh:

http://www.sjanegari.com/#!Roosh-Valizadeh-Accused-of-Rape/c1ntm/56ba37d30cf2b4e0b62292e2

Saw this coming lol

“He laughed and overpowered her with force, saying, “All girls like this. It’s every woman’s fantasy. You don’t even know what you’re saying. You’re drunk, but I like drunk girls.” And then, according to Susan, he raped her.”

Seems 100% legit to me. lol Is there an eye-roll emoji here because this is where I would put it. Really I’ll be surprised if they don’t write a dozen more of these just to slander him.

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Like I said there might be differences, and probably are, but they’re insignificant and can be easily overcome with cultural programming and education. When you say “but in the ghetto black people are all shooting eachother” that’s because in the ghetto they have shitty cultural programming going on, the black guys in a better cultural environment with better programming (like the white-washed fully assimilated minorities I met growing up in small primarily white towns) aren’t going around acting like street gangstas. Take a black, white, brown, asian dude and put him alone in a small white town and he’ll end up with the same attitudes etc as the rest of them, just like Eminem acts like a dude from the ghetto. Like I’ve said before (but it’s clear you aren’t actually reading anything and are just using this comment section as a platform to preach lol) it’s more the lack of assimilation and good cultural programming that’s the issue than inherent biological differences (which entirely might exist, like you say the brain doesn’t have a magical shield around it, but just aren’t significant and I would bet are more based on location than race).

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lol xsplat. I spanked him into running away when I first arrived in the Manosphere by just calling him out on his silly shit. When I first started commenting at CH pretty much nobody was ACTUALLY going out, the comment section was crammed full of keyboard jockeys waxing theory so there were a bunch of guys everyone was giving WAY too much authority to because they just wrote with a really conclusive authoritative frame. Xsplat, KingA, that guy who said he carried a baretta in his man-purse, lol I think my first few months there were just calling those guys out on their keyboard theories till they ran away.

In other news on Roosh:

http://www.sjanegari.com/#!Roosh-Valizadeh-Accused-of-Rape/c1ntm/56ba37d30cf2b4e0b62292e2

Saw this coming lol

“He laughed and overpowered her with force, saying, “All girls like this. It’s every woman’s fantasy. You don’t even know what you’re saying. You’re drunk, but I like drunk girls.” And then, according to Susan, he raped her.”

Seems 100% legit to me. lol Is there an eye-roll emoji here because this is where I would put it. Really I’ll be surprised if they don’t write a dozen more of these just to slander him.

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“The comment is that the minute you in any way “blink” or hesitate in that pick up or interaction, I’m sunk. Tyler is chanting “Calibration” yes.”

ya, what you feel she feels. If you hesitate that shows her that you’re uncertain that she should like you, which she reads as “I don’t know why I shouldn’t like him, but he would know better than I would so I’ll trust his judgement”. Same as how preselection works in the opposite direction. Women ping off their environment to know how to feel, that’s why they have a lot of groupthink and indecisiveness…when you take over her RAS (which you should be doing with proper game), you ARE her environment.

“But I’m finding in a few cases they just flake, lose interest, or stop responding. I now adopt a 2 text rule: two texts, or outing suggestions and then I stop.

My question: can you have good game and skills and still encounter flakes? Are some interactions just unsalvageable: attraction is sparked, text game is good…then nothing?”

Ya dude, check out my talking about how things have changed in 2015/2016 here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=2015+flaking

Especially these ones:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/11/#comment-rationalmale-127377

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/11/#comment-rationalmale-127217

http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/1/#comment-rationalmale-137433

(follow the first two’s full discussion threads where I rant about the topic)

I haven’t seen a lot of discussion of it in the community, personally because I think no one wants to admit they’re getting flaked on lol But it’s a definite trend. My text game is killer but I’m hitting the same wall as I explain in those posts, I was having hour-long solid interactions with full rapport/comfort with girls who demanded MY number and they’d still be impossible to get out on a Day2 lol and I’m pretty sure my read on why it’s happening is accurate.

Skim that shit for why what’s happening is happening, but to FIX it grab yourself Julien’s PIMP product and specifically watch his Get Her Number and Phone Game videos in it. I skipped over them because my text game was so solid until I kept hitting this wall and was looking for ANY help and decided to watch them and was like “oh, duh, he lays it all out right here”. Julien’s figured it out because he’s actually out there pulling <25yo hotties on the regular, so he ran into the same shit just a lot faster than we did and already adapted to it.

For an example of it in action, snag his infield videos from his SHIFT product and watch Nightgame At Hot LA Club, where you can see him run a solid number close executing the stuff he describes in the other video. Tyler's "picking up an alpha female" video I linked at the start of this comment section has him do a different style of solid number close where he has more time and is able to just DHV a lot more and games the girl to a point where she's dying to have his number (and even then he fucks with her a bit to make her worry she won't get it), so she appreciates it more.

The big key is making her invest…not that you have to go Julien levels of extreme but a girl who has to beg on her knees in public for your number will meet up with you just to justify her huge investment over a girl that you have to convince to give you her number. It's important to understand that concept. If you don't have time to create that much investment and DHV enough to GET that kind of investment then Julien's Get Her Number stuff is key.

Also his Phone Game stuff is important to check out because things have changed. I LOVED text game, I was amazing at it, BUT the reality is in 2016 shit has shifted and guys are all running text game and my texts just get lost in the shuffle of validation and the 10 other conversations she's having isntead of giving me her focus…whereas making an actual phone call (which I HATE doing) stands out and keeps her focused on me, etc etc Lots of little nuances like that. My text game is now going into more minimal territory, not necessarily laconic but like, I used to build tons of rapport/comfort over txt, basically pulling off 80% of the seduction via txt, but now the more I do in txt the less likely we are to actually meet up so I dodge any attempts to get more than minimal rapport so there's some mystery/curiousity for her to meet up for a Day2.

I'm at the point where I'm actively avoiding taking numbers now, like the Todd video about Lover VS Provider in one of my archive links there talks about (Julien talks about this too and some of his SHIFT infield has him actively rejecting the number), where if you give her your number there's no more urgency to come with you for a Same Night Lay…once she has that number she thinks she can meet up with you in a week for a date and in the moment she 100% WANTS to…but after a couple days go by she's had 50 other conversations with a dozen other dudes and now she'll respond to you when you txt but will be a hassle to actually get on a Day2. Whereas if she thought she was never going to see you again if she didn't come with you that night, she might have banged you that night.

Good luck dude, this was a mind-fuck when I ran into it too lol I feel like I've lost a couple limbs not being able to use my txt game anymore but gotta adapt to the times.


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“The comment is that the minute you in any way “blink” or hesitate in that pick up or interaction, I’m sunk. Tyler is chanting “Calibration” yes.”

ya, what you feel she feels. If you hesitate that shows her that you’re uncertain that she should like you, which she reads as “I don’t know why I shouldn’t like him, but he would know better than I would so I’ll trust his judgement”. Same as how preselection works in the opposite direction. Women ping off their environment to know how to feel, that’s why they have a lot of groupthink and indecisiveness…when you take over her RAS (which you should be doing with proper game), you ARE her environment.

“But I’m finding in a few cases they just flake, lose interest, or stop responding. I now adopt a 2 text rule: two texts, or outing suggestions and then I stop.

My question: can you have good game and skills and still encounter flakes? Are some interactions just unsalvageable: attraction is sparked, text game is good…then nothing?”

Ya dude, check out my talking about how things have changed in 2015/2016 here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=2015+flaking

Especially these ones:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/11/#comment-rationalmale-127377

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/11/#comment-rationalmale-127217

http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/1/#comment-rationalmale-137433

(follow the first two’s full discussion threads where I rant about the topic)

I haven’t seen a lot of discussion of it in the community, personally because I think no one wants to admit they’re getting flaked on lol But it’s a definite trend. My text game is killer but I’m hitting the same wall as I explain in those posts, I was having hour-long solid interactions with full rapport/comfort with girls who demanded MY number and they’d still be impossible to get out on a Day2 lol and I’m pretty sure my read on why it’s happening is accurate.

Skim that shit for why what’s happening is happening, but to FIX it grab yourself Julien’s PIMP product and specifically watch his Get Her Number and Phone Game videos in it. I skipped over them because my text game was so solid until I kept hitting this wall and was looking for ANY help and decided to watch them and was like “oh, duh, he lays it all out right here”. Julien’s figured it out because he’s actually out there pulling <25yo hotties on the regular, so he ran into the same shit just a lot faster than we did and already adapted to it.

For an example of it in action, snag his infield videos from his SHIFT product and watch Nightgame At Hot LA Club, where you can see him run a solid number close executing the stuff he describes in the other video. Tyler's "picking up an alpha female" video I linked at the start of this comment section has him do a different style of solid number close where he has more time and is able to just DHV a lot more and games the girl to a point where she's dying to have his number (and even then he fucks with her a bit to make her worry she won't get it), so she appreciates it more.

The big key is making her invest…not that you have to go Julien levels of extreme but a girl who has to beg on her knees in public for your number will meet up with you just to justify her huge investment over a girl that you have to convince to give you her number. It's important to understand that concept. If you don't have time to create that much investment and DHV enough to GET that kind of investment then Julien's Get Her Number stuff is key.

Also his Phone Game stuff is important to check out because things have changed. I LOVED text game, I was amazing at it, BUT the reality is in 2016 shit has shifted and guys are all running text game and my texts just get lost in the shuffle of validation and the 10 other conversations she's having isntead of giving me her focus…whereas making an actual phone call (which I HATE doing) stands out and keeps her focused on me, etc etc Lots of little nuances like that. My text game is now going into more minimal territory, not necessarily laconic but like, I used to build tons of rapport/comfort over txt, basically pulling off 80% of the seduction via txt, but now the more I do in txt the less likely we are to actually meet up so I dodge any attempts to get more than minimal rapport so there's some mystery/curiousity for her to meet up for a Day2.

I'm at the point where I'm actively avoiding taking numbers now, like the Todd video about Lover VS Provider in one of my archive links there talks about (Julien talks about this too and some of his SHIFT infield has him actively rejecting the number), where if you give her your number there's no more urgency to come with you for a Same Night Lay…once she has that number she thinks she can meet up with you in a week for a date and in the moment she 100% WANTS to…but after a couple days go by she's had 50 other conversations with a dozen other dudes and now she'll respond to you when you txt but will be a hassle to actually get on a Day2. Whereas if she thought she was never going to see you again if she didn't come with you that night, she might have banged you that night.

Good luck dude, this was a mind-fuck when I ran into it too lol I feel like I've lost a couple limbs not being able to use my txt game anymore but gotta adapt to the times.


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…it’s totes about helping men though.

As fun as his press conference was, I can’t imagine him being able to hold another one. Journalists will see the first one and be like “well there’s not really any point going, he’s just going to make another speech about us” But who knows, maybe that gets clicks and is worth it. Is he already signed up for Dr Oz part 2? lol


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…it’s totes about helping men though.

As fun as his press conference was, I can’t imagine him being able to hold another one. Journalists will see the first one and be like “well there’s not really any point going, he’s just going to make another speech about us” But who knows, maybe that gets clicks and is worth it. Is he already signed up for Dr Oz part 2? lol


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“The ultimate PUA turned shitlord. If you think Roosh says controversial things, check out Krauser. Roosh is a leftist compared to him. Full 14-88. lol I just hope that the British don’t throw him in jail.”

Holy shit I only saw Krauser’s RVF meltdown, I didn’t know he’s gone full out Stormfront:

https://twitter.com/Krauserpua

lol wut am I reading I can’t even

You’ll NEVER see this kind of shit from RSD lol But that’s probably why the RSD guys skip around with a smile on their face while guys like Krauser and Roosh write angry bitter shit. How can you even function day to day when you view the world this way?? wow


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“The ultimate PUA turned shitlord. If you think Roosh says controversial things, check out Krauser. Roosh is a leftist compared to him. Full 14-88. lol I just hope that the British don’t throw him in jail.”

Holy shit I only saw Krauser’s RVF meltdown, I didn’t know he’s gone full out Stormfront:

https://twitter.com/Krauserpua

lol wut am I reading I can’t even

You’ll NEVER see this kind of shit from RSD lol But that’s probably why the RSD guys skip around with a smile on their face while guys like Krauser and Roosh write angry bitter shit. How can you even function day to day when you view the world this way?? wow


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Scanned Krauser’s year-end results calculation post and hit the comment section and saw your comment and wanted to point out two things, one is actually for Krauser but I don’t post on his site (feel free to link/post it to him) and other guys are probably running into the same thing right now so this is partly for my archive and future guys running into these same issues lol

For both you and Krauser:

Very specifically pay attention to the infield “picking up an alpha female” I just linked from Tyler and Julien’s PIMP infield (watch the videos on YouTube where he makes girls beg for his number and teases them relentlessly going for the kiss then backing off before letting them kiss etc). Like watch how he fucks with the blonde girl in this video specifically around 2:05 (the stuff before that is pretty cruel but he’s giving her a rollercoaster of emotions on purpose, that’s not the part that’ll help you though, skip to 2:05):

And watch this, especially the infield footage and the second half where he stacks devalidations (try to ignore his crazy meth-addict body language he was running himself to the bone doing world tours and shit when he made this product, even the RSD guys make fun of how crazy he got, he was twitching and shit when he’d hang out with them lol):

Think back to your interactions and ask yourself HONESTLY if you’re getting the level of attraction/investment/chasing that Julien is getting in these infield snippets (and Tyler gets in his “picking up an alpha female” vid where she’s lingering dying for him to ask for her number and pissed at her own mom for not letting her go home with Tyler despite his (and Juliens) looks “disadvantage” with their plain clothes and Tyler’s general looks VS the girls’ etc). Are girls chasing your validation and qualifying themselves to you the way they are to Julien and Tyler, if you HONESTLY think back to your interactions? OR are your interactions still more like you kind of convincing the girl to give you a shot, or impressing her but she can take or leave you.

A good analogy is the Bill Gates one…if you or I found a $10,000 bill on the ground we would shit bricks and jump for joy (like those girls winning Julien over, look how happy the cougar is when he FINALLY tells her he likes her and FINALLY kisses her, it’s like the greatest moment of her LIFE to win him over, same with the girl he tries to push away, she’s ECSTATIC when he finally lets her win him over), but Bill Gates finding a $10,000 bill would be like “oh, that’s great!” and go about his day. Sure, he knows $10,000 has value, and he’s happy to have found it, but it’s not going to be the greatest moment of his life…so when you think back to your interactions, are the girls you’re interacting with acting like you and I discovering a $10,000 bill, or are they acting like Bill Gates? Interested and happy to have met a cool guy, but not like doing cartwheels over how amazing you are?

Because a lot of guys game in 2016 still looks more like oldschool Krauser daygame infield (not picking on him specifically, but his infield is a good example of the oldschool “DHV to her, tease her a bit, get a “nice” number close coffee date and escalate on the coffee date” style) where it’s like “hey, let’s go for a coffee sometime tra la la” just all nice fun emotions with maybe a couple teases. And that was cool pre-Tinder, pre-Instagram, etc and ESPECIALLY pre-social media. I know because I was running that type of game and it was great, you just impress the chick a bit and she doesn’t meet a lot of cool guys so numbers don’t flake and she’s eager to go on a Day2 with a cool guy and you don’t get much LMR etc. I remember when girls were EXCITED to get a txt…now when she turns her phone on she has 50 txts tinders instagram comments etc from a bunch of different dudes and a lot of them won’t even answer their phone because it’s weird to get a phone call to the <25yo crowd.

In 2015-2016 girls have SO MANY OPTIONS and SO MUCH VALIDATION via all these social media sources that to stand out you should be working on making a huge emotional impact on them (which yes, can (and probably should) include BAD emotions…not necessarily to the level that Julien does them where he tells a cougar "you're OLD." and let's her stew on it or how he fucks with that blonde girl in the video above, but like, bad emotions and devalidating her (espeically stacking it like he talks about in the video I linked) followed by smoothing it over and validation is a FUN emotional rollercoaster ride to her, just like watching a horror/thriller movie which isn't all good emotions…even romcoms have sad bad-feels parts).

So the same way we gave hot girls an emotional rollercoaster with negs push/pull etc to stand out from the other dozen guys in the bar, now that we're competing with literal hundreds or thousands of other guys on her phone/social media, we ramp the emotional rollercoaster up harder to stand out more, and we capitalize on windows when they're there (ie – go for the SNL, try to avoid going for the number…once you get a number you have like 24-48 hours to meet up with her again or you're probably going to end up in limbo where it's hard to get them out for a Day2 even though they like you and respond to your txts etc, because she just has so many other options and new guys appearing daily with their "perfect profiles" that make them look like 10s even if they're actually chodes, and she forgets how amazing you were). Julien talks about this in his PIMP "Get Her Number" video, where he stresses that it's a last resort and to time bridge with "let's have coffee tomorrow at 2pm at this place" and hammering her with "what time tomorrow? where are we going?" etc to make her commit to it hard so she's less likely to flake…but he suggests that LITERALLY just to get her to answer his call tomorrow, and then half the time he doesn't even bother with the afternoon coffee and sets up a meetup for that night, but he makes sure to get within that 24-48 hour window.

My point with all this is that the level of attraction Julien and Tyler are getting, where the girl is chasing them HARD for their validation, is the level of attraction you should be aiming for in 2016 to help prevent flakes, LMR, etc.

In the old days it was like we were the hunters hunting them, but it's changed with shit like Tinder. Now the REALLY oldschool Mystery Method applies, where you game her into chasing YOU, and YOU'RE the one playing hard to get and making her invest massively and denying her the kiss and escalation etc. SHE should be the one suggesting you hang out and SHE should be the one tearing off YOUR clothes when you DO hang out. It's not that the old way of you seducing her doesn't work, it's just that it seems to have become a lower consistency these days…when you view it through Hypergamy it makes sense: the one guy she WANTS is the guy she can't get because any guy who's chasing her is just like all the Tinder guys to her that all chase her. So it's like we're doubling-down on Mystery's concept of "you don't choose a 10, a 10 chooses YOU".

As fun as going direct is, indirect might be better these days…classic MM where you DHV in front of her and let her choose YOU instead of the other way around. You choosing her will get her number, but who cares about those numbers if your flake rate is off the charts? The goal isn't to get numbers it's to get P in V. Classic MM indirect allows her the chance to observe your value and try to earn your attention (in a group) and win you over (solo or in a group) and impress you etc Direct was alright but she opens her phone and has 50 direct messages from Tinder Instagram Facebook etc now. With classic MM, when the girl GOT him she was RELIEVED like "yessss I earned him!! I got the prize!!" That's a lot less likely to flake than "oh he seemed cool and I guess he'd be fun to go for coffee with". Look at the girl in Julien's infield above that he tells to fuck off and tries to push away, and the cougar, they are ECSTATIC when they finally win him over. Same with Tyler's "alpha female" video, she's SO RELIEVED when he takes her number (and even then he starts talking to his buddy as he's taking the number so she worries that he isn't actually going to have it lol). That's a LOT less likely to flake than a lot of the direct infield I'm seeing guys run where they just close the girl on a high buying temp spike and then are shocked that she flakes (again this was solid pre-Tinder, but shit has changed).

So the tl;dr of it is: focus on making her invest and chase you, till you're getting the kind of chasing that Julien and Tyler are getting and SHE'S the one demanding your number (and even THEN turn that offer down and play hard to get and make her INVEST to get your number, or don't allow her to have your number and tell her if she doesn't come with you tonight she'll never see you again and put that fear of loss in her). It's going to make a dramatic difference in your results…right now it feels like you're beating your head against a wall because you're probably running solid normal game that would've been great in 2005-2014(ish, whenever Tinder hit the mainstream) but it's not panning out into anything. Time to switch things up a bit and focus on a different aspect of game…become the hunted instead of the hunter, as un-manly as that sounds. Focus on getting them to chase you.

And specifically for Krauser's problem of:

“Yes. With twenty-two different girls I had a girl hot, horny, up for it and yet just didn’t manage to get my dick into her. The reasons were varied: Two virgins were too tight to squeeze my dick in. Another virgin let me get it halfway in then freaked out (that was a 20yr old almost-SDL thirty minutes after approach). Another virgin was wanking me off in the lobby of my apartment building but refused to come upstairs. Another virgin was on my sofa with her breasts in my mouth when she got LMR (that would’ve been a one-hour SDL of an 18 year old who admitted she hadn’t even kissed a boy before). There was also a 17 year old Ukranian virgin who was grinding me on my bed on the first date but wouldn’t take her jeans off, and then when I went back to Kiev she’d gotten a boyfriend and wouldn’t even kiss on the next date.

Just typing that above paragraph brings tears to my eyes. That’s six near misses just with virgins, the oldest of whom was twenty years old. Imagine getting so close so many times and then nothing.

Failure due to LMR at sex location: 19
Failure due to unexpected outside forces: 2
Failure due to logistical errors: 1

It’s simply unbelievable how many women were in my bed or on my sofa and just wouldn’t fuck. The funny thing is it wasn’t due to me suddenly losing my ability to close, but actually the reverse. I was pulling girls so fast that they were getting to the hand-on-dick-in-sex-location stage much faster than they could handle.

Slow down, take a number, get them on another date you say?

I think at least half of these near misses would’ve been flaky numbers had I just run the street game and walked off with her digits. Instead, I blew up the love bubble, played a momentum game, expertly chose my moments to escalate and lead, and then almost took them at the flood. It was an exercise in creating something out of nothing. Like almost building an atomic bomb from a disposable lighter and a rolled-up newspaper.

But oh my fucking god was it frustrating! Still, we live and learn. I’ve become so used to near misses now that they barely phase me. I’ve had that rollercoaster ride and it’s familiar to the point of boredom.”

To go problem by problem: He’s right that those would’ve been flaky numbers if he had just run his street game and walked off…BECAUSE he’s still running low emotional impact street game and they have more options now. The fix there would be what I just said to walawala about making them invest more and making more of an emotional impact. So he can fix that with an adjustment to his style of game (make harder emotional spikes, including more negative emotions (followed by positive smoothing over), make a more solid time bridge, and push to meet up ASAP, not a week later or anything).

And for the pulling too fast thing: He’s not imagining it. The <25yo culture has changed to where, and I don't have a ton of data on this yet so I'm partly extrapolating theory based on my own and a few other guys' experience/logic here, they're VERY agreeable to coming into a man's apartment (like they'd rather COME OVER than go on a Day2 in PUBLIC where it's SAFE with WITNESSES, which blows my mind, that shit is DANGEROUS wtf are you girls thinking) but often don't want to put out the first time they're there…it's like in the old days we had to run a bunch of frontloaded game to get them TO come to the apartment, and then from there it was pretty smooth sailing, but now it's reversed to where getting them TO the apartment is easy but the ASD/LMR is off the charts. I've had girls dry-hump me for a few hours while I'm trying every move I have to get them to fuck (and I used to RARELY have any kind of LMR) and then go home, but be eager as fuck to come over again, where they put out with zero LMR. My theory is that men are so pussified now (since girls have a zillion orbiters compared to before social media) that girls are legitimately not worried about getting raped so they'll come over to Netflix & Chill or whatever without much hestiation, but while in the old days her coming over meant she had decided she was DTF, now they come over not sure if they want to fuck and they kind of scope shit out but won't necessarily put out until the next time they come over where they've made up their mind. A few girls have flat out verbalized this to me when I just hang out around them and we're all talking about relationships/dating. And this tends to be more for the <25yo Netflix & Chill gen crowd.

It's a weird thing but I've noticed it and been paying attention for other PUAs noticing it and stuff like Krauser's complaint aligns with it. He travels and shit so for him it's probably not convenient to just chill with the girl the first time and then have her over a second time to get the actual lay. It was frustrating for me at first but I've got three solutions for it so far:

1) EXPECT her to not put out the first time and just plan her coming over to be a really short Day2 lol Like instead of wasting 4 hours trying to get in her pants and getting resistance, PLAN to play it a bit aloof like you haven't decided on HER yet and kick her out after an hour with some bullshit excuse like you have work to do…basically if you get any kind of resistance have a way to pull the plug so you don't waste much of your time, because whether she spends 1 hour at your place or 4 hours, she's just as likely to put out the next time she comes over…so why waste the extra time? Hell, schedule multiple girls on the same night each an hour apart and kick them all out as the next one arrives and see what happens lol

2) Make her invest and chase HARD at your place, like I was explaining to walawala, without giving her the satisfaction of validation (Julien shit). ie – my oldschool moves were to grab her as soon as she arrives and pin her against the wall and makeout and escalate to sex immediately. But instead I'm playing more of a pin her against the wall and go for the makeout but brush past her mouth without kissing her and whisper something like "we'd better not, it's way too early for this" and immediately pull away and walk into your place for her to follow so she's left behind flushed but unsatisfied because you got her turned on but didn't actually give her the makeout/follow-thru that she expected. Just like Julien toying with the makouts in his infield. Play it cool and keep randomly escalating without actually giving her anything and it increases her sexual frustration to where she's much more likely to just grab you and initiate sex…whereas when you're already fully making out with her and rubbing her pussy thru her clothes and fully nibbling her neck etc you're giving her enough validation/closure to not NEED to fuck you THAT night…she knows she has you lined up to fuck whenever she decides she wants to, just like the other 100 guys she has on her phone (including her fuckbois, who she already has more Comfort/Rapport with than she does with you)

3) Classic Mystery Method freezeout. Back off when you get resistance, flip some lights on etc to kill the mood, throw on a movie or pull out a chessboard or cards or whatever, no more kino, all in a non-butthurt way but just in an "ehh I've just lost interest and am no longer turned on" way. If she asks what's wrong you could throw in Mystery's routine about how nothing's wrong you're just not turned on by a girl who's shy about sex bla bla look it up lol Or just play it cool to the point where she isn't even sure if you LIKE her, like make her worry that you might send her home WITHOUT wanting to see her again…fear of loss, dread game, etc. VS being the horndog guy that's climbing on top of her on the couch trying to slide his hand down her pants over and over doing the classic LMR-busting "if she stops you, go back to the last stage she was comfortable with then try to escalate again in 10 minutes".

Like I say classic Mystery Method principles are back in play now, which makes sense when you think about it because where was Mystery's game developed?: high-end venues full of sausage competition, with girls who think they're hot shit (Toronto, LA, Vegas, etc and strip-clubs which aren't high-end but are 50 sausages/competition for every girl and every girl working there thinks she's a 10, etc). And what has Tinder/Instagram/etc created? A shitload of sausage competition (via their phones) which inflates every girl's ego so that 6s think they're 10s…the exact same dynamic as a high-end venue in a major city or a strip-club. Before social media it was just PUAs dominating shit because we didn't have a much competition except other guys doing cold approach in bars and they sucked ass 'cause they didn't have training. But now we're basically dealing with what Mystery dealt with when he walks into a bar and has to compete with celebrities and shit for girls who think they're 10s…except our equivalent is hundreds of Chad Thundercock Tinder profiles competing with us for girls who all think they're 10s…so of COURSE Mystery Method is back in play. MM was all about DHV'ing in various ways to trigger a girl's Hypergamy (aka be the highest value male in that environment), except we have to super-charge it because we're competing with guys all around the world on her phone…which, as I've explained in my archives, if you look at what Julien's doing with his stacking devalidation in the video I linked above, he's actually just running Mystery's A1-A3 over and over without letting her pass his qualifiers, until her A2 is off the charts, before he lets her pass into C1 (which by that point she's DYING for Rapport/Comfort)…VS the oldschool way (like in Krauser's vids) where we would just get minimal A2 and let her easily pass A3 into C1 basically gently lobbing the ball to her. And that worked when she didn't pull out her phone to 50 new messages.

I actually just realized the parallels between Mystery's old environment and our current one as I was typing that lol Blew my own fuckin mind. :D

Focus on these things and both of your consistentcy should increase this year.

Krauser's problem will be that he's monetized a system under his name so he's sort of locked into using that system…ie – he has to stick to using what he taught in Daygame Mastery or whatever, because that's his brand/identity and if he switches up his style (like say he starts going indirect instead of direct, or he starts escalating on a Day3 instead of a Day2), that kind of nullifies his entire book and may cause people to hate on him like "but you sold me this $200 book and now you don't even use this stuff yourself!!!" By making this how he makes his living, he's forced himself into a rigid system…that's going to affect his mood and make him depressed down the road because he seems like a smart enough dude to already be kind of piecing this together on his own like "hmmm this stuff doesn't seem to work as good anymore…" but for him to accept/admit it would be to fuck his entire business/reputation up. I'd bet Jeffy from RSD will have the same problem with his text game product (he's already updating it) because nobody really saw this Tinder Instagram smartphone etc validation overload coming and it's changed the way shit works.

Whereas a guy like yourself or me, we aren't tied to a system so we can flow and adapt our game to whatever shifts happen in society. Tyler, Julien etc constantly try random shit out (VS sticking to a rigid system) to push boundaries and see what works (like Julien in that video above where he makes the girls all hate on eachother breaking all kinds of social rules, that's Julien just trying new shit out that no one else will try for the sake of finding out what happens and collecting the data/insights it reveals) and they put out enough content that they can slowly adapt and change their system without anyone really noticing because everyone follows along on their journies…like if you watch Julien's last like 3 years of videos, then watch PIMP and SHIFT you'll see that PIMP and SHIFT are just condensed versions of the things he was discovering and teaching over those years. Because it's gradual, he won't get the same kind of flack that someone like Krauser who puts less content out will probably get.

It's not that Krauser's entire system is outdated, it still follows the proper Mystery Method stages, just like Julien's crazy style does and Tyler's style does…it's just that in 2016 we have to shift the focus within that system a bit. Julien is still running Mystery Method when you know what to look for under all the crazy externals he's throwing out there, he's just figured out that by revving that A1-A3 loop and creating more investment through devalidation etc, that helps get over the hurdle of all this free validation girls are swimming in now…whereas the guys who are still relying on the same amount of interest/attraction they were getting 3-5+ years ago, are hitting a wall of flakes and LMR.

"I’m now finding I’m over analyzing my flakes rather than enjoying my successes."

The reason I'm dropping these huge replies about it is because I know you're partly wondering "am I crazy?? Is it just me? Does my game just suck??" and I think a LOT of guys (including myself a few months ago when I started figuring this out) like Krauser are all thinking the same thing. And I think Julien thought the same thing but he was going out and experimenting enough to naturally figure out how to get past it (VS the guys going out once or twice a week, Julien was out like 6 days/nights a week teaching around the world (including Europe so this isn't just a North America thing)). And Tyler mentions in one of his videos that I can't remember, when he recently broke up with his main threesome girl and had to go back out into the world of one on one sarging (instead of having her wing him for threesomes like the last few years) and he noticed similar problems that didn't exist a few years back.

So I think everyone is kind of piecing this together but no one wants to really go "I can't get laid to save my fucking life anymore!!!" and start the conversation lol So I'm piecing this together from my own experience, and other bits and pieces of other guys' experience where I've noticed everyone is kind of dancing around the subject.

And that all said, I think the solutions to fixing this shit are in Julien's PIMP product (very specifically that clip I linked where he talks about stacking devalidations, and the stuff on Get Her Number and Phone Game) and Tyler's "alpha female" infield I linked. Those guys are ahead of the game from the sheer amount they go out and how much they push boundaries and don't lock down to a rigid style, so I think they found the answers and those answers are just sitting there in those videos waiting for guys running into these problems to discover them. Make a serious effort to grab and absorb the specific vids I've mentions (aka torrent dat shit). Keys to the kingdom in 2016 right here lol

Belive me, my dick wishes game stayed the way it was, I was doing fucking great with it lol But everything I see in Julien's vids that I'm like "this guy's nuts", after a few weeks testing shit infield or running into issues etc I'm like "fuck, I get it now, he was running into the same problem and this was the solution he figured out" and it clicks and makes sense. I'm not out there calling girls "DOG!!!" (aka look at the STRUCTURE/CONCEPT not the actual execution itself), but I'm doing hard devalidations and disqualifications (like telling them they're too young, probably virgins, telling them they're too drunk when I know they're not, turning down number exchanges, etc). And just like Julien advocates not bothering with txt game anymore, I'm hitting that point too even though it used to be like 80% of my game lol I used to be able to get girls to drive to my city from other cities to come to my door to just bang right away because I was running all my game over txt, so tossing that away is a rough blow.

But hey it keeps the game interesting having to switch things up and getting to feel like a newbie in certain areas again…it's fun in a way (minus the blueballs situations lol). I'd get bored if I was just doing the same thing over and over. Which is what led to Roosh becoming bitter and angry (because he's out there just doing the same thing over and over again infield, it's not fun to him anymore), and what will probably lead Krauser down the same path because he's locked into using his system and will end up frustrated and burnt out by it (my advice for him would be to take the financial/reputation hit and book sales losses of changing up his style, maybe take up a different way of generating income, for the sake of his sanity so he can switch things up out there and start enjoying the game again…it's a sacrifice but PUAs who stop enjoying the game end up in a pretty dark place. There's a reason Julien and Tyler still bounce around with smiles on their face despite how much they go out and all the lays, they're constantly fucking around infield keeping things new and interesting to themselves so it doesn't feel like work).

Tyler has a good video on the subject of longterm motivation and staying passionate about pickup for 10+ years that any guy who's been doing pickup for a while should check out:

There's a reason I still love the game and am psyched to go out this week and love writing about it. Because I'm always experimenting and trying new shit out and learning and keeping my brain interested…I LOVE that I have to now push harder for SNLs and can't just rely on txt game or Tinder, I was getting lazy out infield for a while because I knew I could just do enough to get a number and would be able to convert that to a lay no problem (my txt conversion rate was retarded high), so my extraction skills atrophied and going out now where I can't use the txt crutch anymore that weakness is being shoved in my face and I'm having to step up harder, which comes with the emotional highs and lows of success and failure, which I accept as part of the process instead of trying to fight, so my brain is like "wheeeee, new challenges, those failures sucked but the success I had after it where I finally nailed down that aspect of my game I was working on feels a million times better BECAUSE of the failures and now I can use this new skill more consistently yayyyyy!!"

VS if I was going out there running the same game I was running a few years ago, going through the motions, and getting frustrated with it not seeming to work the way it used to, and trying to come up with rationalizations that help me avoid changing my game because my fans would be pissed that the products they bought have become dated and knowing I probably need to change something up but not being "allowed" to while knowing I still have another 5-20 years in the game…THAT would be a fucking nightmare.

I've always said PUA is backwards engineered from what works in the field…if we discovered that you needed a BMW to get laid, we would be the FIRST ones to tell guys to save up for a BMW. So when huge monkey wrenches like Tinder and social media validation are thrown into society, sometimes we need to adapt and backwards engineer what works. Mystery's A1-S3 will never change because that's just an observation of how human interaction works, but the parts of it you stress or loop between or let drop off (like these days I'm finding better results by dropping the rapport/comfort to a minimal amount instead of a huge amount like we used to stress, because a lot of <25yo girls don't WANT a Provider/boyfriend, they just want a Lover and the more rapport/comfort you get the harder it is to classify you as just a Lover so I'll get flakes with too much rapport/comfort, but they still need a BIT of it).

And we'll report these changes and whatever solutions we figure out from the frontlines like we always do 'cause that's how we've rolled since the oldschool days. :D


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on February 9th, 2016 at 11:58 pm
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Scanned Krauser’s year-end results calculation post and hit the comment section and saw your comment and wanted to point out two things, one is actually for Krauser but I don’t post on his site (feel free to link/post it to him) and other guys are probably running into the same thing right now so this is partly for my archive and future guys running into these same issues lol

For both you and Krauser:

Very specifically pay attention to the infield “picking up an alpha female” I just linked from Tyler and Julien’s PIMP infield (watch the videos on YouTube where he makes girls beg for his number and teases them relentlessly going for the kiss then backing off before letting them kiss etc). Like watch how he fucks with the blonde girl in this video specifically around 2:05 (the stuff before that is pretty cruel but he’s giving her a rollercoaster of emotions on purpose, that’s not the part that’ll help you though, skip to 2:05):

And watch this, especially the infield footage and the second half where he stacks devalidations (try to ignore his crazy meth-addict body language he was running himself to the bone doing world tours and shit when he made this product, even the RSD guys make fun of how crazy he got, he was twitching and shit when he’d hang out with them lol):

Think back to your interactions and ask yourself HONESTLY if you’re getting the level of attraction/investment/chasing that Julien is getting in these infield snippets (and Tyler gets in his “picking up an alpha female” vid where she’s lingering dying for him to ask for her number and pissed at her own mom for not letting her go home with Tyler despite his (and Juliens) looks “disadvantage” with their plain clothes and Tyler’s general looks VS the girls’ etc). Are girls chasing your validation and qualifying themselves to you the way they are to Julien and Tyler, if you HONESTLY think back to your interactions? OR are your interactions still more like you kind of convincing the girl to give you a shot, or impressing her but she can take or leave you.

A good analogy is the Bill Gates one…if you or I found a $10,000 bill on the ground we would shit bricks and jump for joy (like those girls winning Julien over, look how happy the cougar is when he FINALLY tells her he likes her and FINALLY kisses her, it’s like the greatest moment of her LIFE to win him over, same with the girl he tries to push away, she’s ECSTATIC when he finally lets her win him over), but Bill Gates finding a $10,000 bill would be like “oh, that’s great!” and go about his day. Sure, he knows $10,000 has value, and he’s happy to have found it, but it’s not going to be the greatest moment of his life…so when you think back to your interactions, are the girls you’re interacting with acting like you and I discovering a $10,000 bill, or are they acting like Bill Gates? Interested and happy to have met a cool guy, but not like doing cartwheels over how amazing you are?

Because a lot of guys game in 2016 still looks more like oldschool Krauser daygame infield (not picking on him specifically, but his infield is a good example of the oldschool “DHV to her, tease her a bit, get a “nice” number close coffee date and escalate on the coffee date” style) where it’s like “hey, let’s go for a coffee sometime tra la la” just all nice fun emotions with maybe a couple teases. And that was cool pre-Tinder, pre-Instagram, etc and ESPECIALLY pre-social media. I know because I was running that type of game and it was great, you just impress the chick a bit and she doesn’t meet a lot of cool guys so numbers don’t flake and she’s eager to go on a Day2 with a cool guy and you don’t get much LMR etc. I remember when girls were EXCITED to get a txt…now when she turns her phone on she has 50 txts tinders instagram comments etc from a bunch of different dudes and a lot of them won’t even answer their phone because it’s weird to get a phone call to the <25yo crowd.

In 2015-2016 girls have SO MANY OPTIONS and SO MUCH VALIDATION via all these social media sources that to stand out you should be working on making a huge emotional impact on them (which yes, can (and probably should) include BAD emotions…not necessarily to the level that Julien does them where he tells a cougar "you're OLD." and let's her stew on it or how he fucks with that blonde girl in the video above, but like, bad emotions and devalidating her (espeically stacking it like he talks about in the video I linked) followed by smoothing it over and validation is a FUN emotional rollercoaster ride to her, just like watching a horror/thriller movie which isn't all good emotions…even romcoms have sad bad-feels parts).

So the same way we gave hot girls an emotional rollercoaster with negs push/pull etc to stand out from the other dozen guys in the bar, now that we're competing with literal hundreds or thousands of other guys on her phone/social media, we ramp the emotional rollercoaster up harder to stand out more, and we capitalize on windows when they're there (ie – go for the SNL, try to avoid going for the number…once you get a number you have like 24-48 hours to meet up with her again or you're probably going to end up in limbo where it's hard to get them out for a Day2 even though they like you and respond to your txts etc, because she just has so many other options and new guys appearing daily with their "perfect profiles" that make them look like 10s even if they're actually chodes, and she forgets how amazing you were). Julien talks about this in his PIMP "Get Her Number" video, where he stresses that it's a last resort and to time bridge with "let's have coffee tomorrow at 2pm at this place" and hammering her with "what time tomorrow? where are we going?" etc to make her commit to it hard so she's less likely to flake…but he suggests that LITERALLY just to get her to answer his call tomorrow, and then half the time he doesn't even bother with the afternoon coffee and sets up a meetup for that night, but he makes sure to get within that 24-48 hour window.

My point with all this is that the level of attraction Julien and Tyler are getting, where the girl is chasing them HARD for their validation, is the level of attraction you should be aiming for in 2016 to help prevent flakes, LMR, etc.

In the old days it was like we were the hunters hunting them, but it's changed with shit like Tinder. Now the REALLY oldschool Mystery Method applies, where you game her into chasing YOU, and YOU'RE the one playing hard to get and making her invest massively and denying her the kiss and escalation etc. SHE should be the one suggesting you hang out and SHE should be the one tearing off YOUR clothes when you DO hang out. It's not that the old way of you seducing her doesn't work, it's just that it seems to have become a lower consistency these days…when you view it through Hypergamy it makes sense: the one guy she WANTS is the guy she can't get because any guy who's chasing her is just like all the Tinder guys to her that all chase her. So it's like we're doubling-down on Mystery's concept of "you don't choose a 10, a 10 chooses YOU".

As fun as going direct is, indirect might be better these days…classic MM where you DHV in front of her and let her choose YOU instead of the other way around. You choosing her will get her number, but who cares about those numbers if your flake rate is off the charts? The goal isn't to get numbers it's to get P in V. Classic MM indirect allows her the chance to observe your value and try to earn your attention (in a group) and win you over (solo or in a group) and impress you etc Direct was alright but she opens her phone and has 50 direct messages from Tinder Instagram Facebook etc now. With classic MM, when the girl GOT him she was RELIEVED like "yessss I earned him!! I got the prize!!" That's a lot less likely to flake than "oh he seemed cool and I guess he'd be fun to go for coffee with". Look at the girl in Julien's infield above that he tells to fuck off and tries to push away, and the cougar, they are ECSTATIC when they finally win him over. Same with Tyler's "alpha female" video, she's SO RELIEVED when he takes her number (and even then he starts talking to his buddy as he's taking the number so she worries that he isn't actually going to have it lol). That's a LOT less likely to flake than a lot of the direct infield I'm seeing guys run where they just close the girl on a high buying temp spike and then are shocked that she flakes (again this was solid pre-Tinder, but shit has changed).

So the tl;dr of it is: focus on making her invest and chase you, till you're getting the kind of chasing that Julien and Tyler are getting and SHE'S the one demanding your number (and even THEN turn that offer down and play hard to get and make her INVEST to get your number, or don't allow her to have your number and tell her if she doesn't come with you tonight she'll never see you again and put that fear of loss in her). It's going to make a dramatic difference in your results…right now it feels like you're beating your head against a wall because you're probably running solid normal game that would've been great in 2005-2014(ish, whenever Tinder hit the mainstream) but it's not panning out into anything. Time to switch things up a bit and focus on a different aspect of game…become the hunted instead of the hunter, as un-manly as that sounds. Focus on getting them to chase you.

And specifically for Krauser's problem of:

“Yes. With twenty-two different girls I had a girl hot, horny, up for it and yet just didn’t manage to get my dick into her. The reasons were varied: Two virgins were too tight to squeeze my dick in. Another virgin let me get it halfway in then freaked out (that was a 20yr old almost-SDL thirty minutes after approach). Another virgin was wanking me off in the lobby of my apartment building but refused to come upstairs. Another virgin was on my sofa with her breasts in my mouth when she got LMR (that would’ve been a one-hour SDL of an 18 year old who admitted she hadn’t even kissed a boy before). There was also a 17 year old Ukranian virgin who was grinding me on my bed on the first date but wouldn’t take her jeans off, and then when I went back to Kiev she’d gotten a boyfriend and wouldn’t even kiss on the next date.

Just typing that above paragraph brings tears to my eyes. That’s six near misses just with virgins, the oldest of whom was twenty years old. Imagine getting so close so many times and then nothing.

Failure due to LMR at sex location: 19
Failure due to unexpected outside forces: 2
Failure due to logistical errors: 1

It’s simply unbelievable how many women were in my bed or on my sofa and just wouldn’t fuck. The funny thing is it wasn’t due to me suddenly losing my ability to close, but actually the reverse. I was pulling girls so fast that they were getting to the hand-on-dick-in-sex-location stage much faster than they could handle.

Slow down, take a number, get them on another date you say?

I think at least half of these near misses would’ve been flaky numbers had I just run the street game and walked off with her digits. Instead, I blew up the love bubble, played a momentum game, expertly chose my moments to escalate and lead, and then almost took them at the flood. It was an exercise in creating something out of nothing. Like almost building an atomic bomb from a disposable lighter and a rolled-up newspaper.

But oh my fucking god was it frustrating! Still, we live and learn. I’ve become so used to near misses now that they barely phase me. I’ve had that rollercoaster ride and it’s familiar to the point of boredom.”

To go problem by problem: He’s right that those would’ve been flaky numbers if he had just run his street game and walked off…BECAUSE he’s still running low emotional impact street game and they have more options now. The fix there would be what I just said to walawala about making them invest more and making more of an emotional impact. So he can fix that with an adjustment to his style of game (make harder emotional spikes, including more negative emotions (followed by positive smoothing over), make a more solid time bridge, and push to meet up ASAP, not a week later or anything).

And for the pulling too fast thing: He’s not imagining it. The <25yo culture has changed to where, and I don't have a ton of data on this yet so I'm partly extrapolating theory based on my own and a few other guys' experience/logic here, they're VERY agreeable to coming into a man's apartment (like they'd rather COME OVER than go on a Day2 in PUBLIC where it's SAFE with WITNESSES, which blows my mind, that shit is DANGEROUS wtf are you girls thinking) but often don't want to put out the first time they're there…it's like in the old days we had to run a bunch of frontloaded game to get them TO come to the apartment, and then from there it was pretty smooth sailing, but now it's reversed to where getting them TO the apartment is easy but the ASD/LMR is off the charts. I've had girls dry-hump me for a few hours while I'm trying every move I have to get them to fuck (and I used to RARELY have any kind of LMR) and then go home, but be eager as fuck to come over again, where they put out with zero LMR. My theory is that men are so pussified now (since girls have a zillion orbiters compared to before social media) that girls are legitimately not worried about getting raped so they'll come over to Netflix & Chill or whatever without much hestiation, but while in the old days her coming over meant she had decided she was DTF, now they come over not sure if they want to fuck and they kind of scope shit out but won't necessarily put out until the next time they come over where they've made up their mind. A few girls have flat out verbalized this to me when I just hang out around them and we're all talking about relationships/dating. And this tends to be more for the <25yo Netflix & Chill gen crowd.

It's a weird thing but I've noticed it and been paying attention for other PUAs noticing it and stuff like Krauser's complaint aligns with it. He travels and shit so for him it's probably not convenient to just chill with the girl the first time and then have her over a second time to get the actual lay. It was frustrating for me at first but I've got three solutions for it so far:

1) EXPECT her to not put out the first time and just plan her coming over to be a really short Day2 lol Like instead of wasting 4 hours trying to get in her pants and getting resistance, PLAN to play it a bit aloof like you haven't decided on HER yet and kick her out after an hour with some bullshit excuse like you have work to do…basically if you get any kind of resistance have a way to pull the plug so you don't waste much of your time, because whether she spends 1 hour at your place or 4 hours, she's just as likely to put out the next time she comes over…so why waste the extra time? Hell, schedule multiple girls on the same night each an hour apart and kick them all out as the next one arrives and see what happens lol

2) Make her invest and chase HARD at your place, like I was explaining to walawala, without giving her the satisfaction of validation (Julien shit). ie – my oldschool moves were to grab her as soon as she arrives and pin her against the wall and makeout and escalate to sex immediately. But instead I'm playing more of a pin her against the wall and go for the makeout but brush past her mouth without kissing her and whisper something like "we'd better not, it's way too early for this" and immediately pull away and walk into your place for her to follow so she's left behind flushed but unsatisfied because you got her turned on but didn't actually give her the makeout/follow-thru that she expected. Just like Julien toying with the makouts in his infield. Play it cool and keep randomly escalating without actually giving her anything and it increases her sexual frustration to where she's much more likely to just grab you and initiate sex…whereas when you're already fully making out with her and rubbing her pussy thru her clothes and fully nibbling her neck etc you're giving her enough validation/closure to not NEED to fuck you THAT night…she knows she has you lined up to fuck whenever she decides she wants to, just like the other 100 guys she has on her phone (including her fuckbois, who she already has more Comfort/Rapport with than she does with you)

3) Classic Mystery Method freezeout. Back off when you get resistance, flip some lights on etc to kill the mood, throw on a movie or pull out a chessboard or cards or whatever, no more kino, all in a non-butthurt way but just in an "ehh I've just lost interest and am no longer turned on" way. If she asks what's wrong you could throw in Mystery's routine about how nothing's wrong you're just not turned on by a girl who's shy about sex bla bla look it up lol Or just play it cool to the point where she isn't even sure if you LIKE her, like make her worry that you might send her home WITHOUT wanting to see her again…fear of loss, dread game, etc. VS being the horndog guy that's climbing on top of her on the couch trying to slide his hand down her pants over and over doing the classic LMR-busting "if she stops you, go back to the last stage she was comfortable with then try to escalate again in 10 minutes".

Like I say classic Mystery Method principles are back in play now, which makes sense when you think about it because where was Mystery's game developed?: high-end venues full of sausage competition, with girls who think they're hot shit (Toronto, LA, Vegas, etc and strip-clubs which aren't high-end but are 50 sausages/competition for every girl and every girl working there thinks she's a 10, etc). And what has Tinder/Instagram/etc created? A shitload of sausage competition (via their phones) which inflates every girl's ego so that 6s think they're 10s…the exact same dynamic as a high-end venue in a major city or a strip-club. Before social media it was just PUAs dominating shit because we didn't have a much competition except other guys doing cold approach in bars and they sucked ass 'cause they didn't have training. But now we're basically dealing with what Mystery dealt with when he walks into a bar and has to compete with celebrities and shit for girls who think they're 10s…except our equivalent is hundreds of Chad Thundercock Tinder profiles competing with us for girls who all think they're 10s…so of COURSE Mystery Method is back in play. MM was all about DHV'ing in various ways to trigger a girl's Hypergamy (aka be the highest value male in that environment), except we have to super-charge it because we're competing with guys all around the world on her phone…which, as I've explained in my archives, if you look at what Julien's doing with his stacking devalidation in the video I linked above, he's actually just running Mystery's A1-A3 over and over without letting her pass his qualifiers, until her A2 is off the charts, before he lets her pass into C1 (which by that point she's DYING for Rapport/Comfort)…VS the oldschool way (like in Krauser's vids) where we would just get minimal A2 and let her easily pass A3 into C1 basically gently lobbing the ball to her. And that worked when she didn't pull out her phone to 50 new messages.

I actually just realized the parallels between Mystery's old environment and our current one as I was typing that lol Blew my own fuckin mind. πŸ˜€

Focus on these things and both of your consistentcy should increase this year.

Krauser's problem will be that he's monetized a system under his name so he's sort of locked into using that system…ie – he has to stick to using what he taught in Daygame Mastery or whatever, because that's his brand/identity and if he switches up his style (like say he starts going indirect instead of direct, or he starts escalating on a Day3 instead of a Day2), that kind of nullifies his entire book and may cause people to hate on him like "but you sold me this $200 book and now you don't even use this stuff yourself!!!" By making this how he makes his living, he's forced himself into a rigid system…that's going to affect his mood and make him depressed down the road because he seems like a smart enough dude to already be kind of piecing this together on his own like "hmmm this stuff doesn't seem to work as good anymore…" but for him to accept/admit it would be to fuck his entire business/reputation up. I'd bet Jeffy from RSD will have the same problem with his text game product (he's already updating it) because nobody really saw this Tinder Instagram smartphone etc validation overload coming and it's changed the way shit works.

Whereas a guy like yourself or me, we aren't tied to a system so we can flow and adapt our game to whatever shifts happen in society. Tyler, Julien etc constantly try random shit out (VS sticking to a rigid system) to push boundaries and see what works (like Julien in that video above where he makes the girls all hate on eachother breaking all kinds of social rules, that's Julien just trying new shit out that no one else will try for the sake of finding out what happens and collecting the data/insights it reveals) and they put out enough content that they can slowly adapt and change their system without anyone really noticing because everyone follows along on their journies…like if you watch Julien's last like 3 years of videos, then watch PIMP and SHIFT you'll see that PIMP and SHIFT are just condensed versions of the things he was discovering and teaching over those years. Because it's gradual, he won't get the same kind of flack that someone like Krauser who puts less content out will probably get.

It's not that Krauser's entire system is outdated, it still follows the proper Mystery Method stages, just like Julien's crazy style does and Tyler's style does…it's just that in 2016 we have to shift the focus within that system a bit. Julien is still running Mystery Method when you know what to look for under all the crazy externals he's throwing out there, he's just figured out that by revving that A1-A3 loop and creating more investment through devalidation etc, that helps get over the hurdle of all this free validation girls are swimming in now…whereas the guys who are still relying on the same amount of interest/attraction they were getting 3-5+ years ago, are hitting a wall of flakes and LMR.

"I’m now finding I’m over analyzing my flakes rather than enjoying my successes."

The reason I'm dropping these huge replies about it is because I know you're partly wondering "am I crazy?? Is it just me? Does my game just suck??" and I think a LOT of guys (including myself a few months ago when I started figuring this out) like Krauser are all thinking the same thing. And I think Julien thought the same thing but he was going out and experimenting enough to naturally figure out how to get past it (VS the guys going out once or twice a week, Julien was out like 6 days/nights a week teaching around the world (including Europe so this isn't just a North America thing)). And Tyler mentions in one of his videos that I can't remember, when he recently broke up with his main threesome girl and had to go back out into the world of one on one sarging (instead of having her wing him for threesomes like the last few years) and he noticed similar problems that didn't exist a few years back.

So I think everyone is kind of piecing this together but no one wants to really go "I can't get laid to save my fucking life anymore!!!" and start the conversation lol So I'm piecing this together from my own experience, and other bits and pieces of other guys' experience where I've noticed everyone is kind of dancing around the subject.

And that all said, I think the solutions to fixing this shit are in Julien's PIMP product (very specifically that clip I linked where he talks about stacking devalidations, and the stuff on Get Her Number and Phone Game) and Tyler's "alpha female" infield I linked. Those guys are ahead of the game from the sheer amount they go out and how much they push boundaries and don't lock down to a rigid style, so I think they found the answers and those answers are just sitting there in those videos waiting for guys running into these problems to discover them. Make a serious effort to grab and absorb the specific vids I've mentions (aka torrent dat shit). Keys to the kingdom in 2016 right here lol

Belive me, my dick wishes game stayed the way it was, I was doing fucking great with it lol But everything I see in Julien's vids that I'm like "this guy's nuts", after a few weeks testing shit infield or running into issues etc I'm like "fuck, I get it now, he was running into the same problem and this was the solution he figured out" and it clicks and makes sense. I'm not out there calling girls "DOG!!!" (aka look at the STRUCTURE/CONCEPT not the actual execution itself), but I'm doing hard devalidations and disqualifications (like telling them they're too young, probably virgins, telling them they're too drunk when I know they're not, turning down number exchanges, etc). And just like Julien advocates not bothering with txt game anymore, I'm hitting that point too even though it used to be like 80% of my game lol I used to be able to get girls to drive to my city from other cities to come to my door to just bang right away because I was running all my game over txt, so tossing that away is a rough blow.

But hey it keeps the game interesting having to switch things up and getting to feel like a newbie in certain areas again…it's fun in a way (minus the blueballs situations lol). I'd get bored if I was just doing the same thing over and over. Which is what led to Roosh becoming bitter and angry (because he's out there just doing the same thing over and over again infield, it's not fun to him anymore), and what will probably lead Krauser down the same path because he's locked into using his system and will end up frustrated and burnt out by it (my advice for him would be to take the financial/reputation hit and book sales losses of changing up his style, maybe take up a different way of generating income, for the sake of his sanity so he can switch things up out there and start enjoying the game again…it's a sacrifice but PUAs who stop enjoying the game end up in a pretty dark place. There's a reason Julien and Tyler still bounce around with smiles on their face despite how much they go out and all the lays, they're constantly fucking around infield keeping things new and interesting to themselves so it doesn't feel like work).

Tyler has a good video on the subject of longterm motivation and staying passionate about pickup for 10+ years that any guy who's been doing pickup for a while should check out:

There's a reason I still love the game and am psyched to go out this week and love writing about it. Because I'm always experimenting and trying new shit out and learning and keeping my brain interested…I LOVE that I have to now push harder for SNLs and can't just rely on txt game or Tinder, I was getting lazy out infield for a while because I knew I could just do enough to get a number and would be able to convert that to a lay no problem (my txt conversion rate was retarded high), so my extraction skills atrophied and going out now where I can't use the txt crutch anymore that weakness is being shoved in my face and I'm having to step up harder, which comes with the emotional highs and lows of success and failure, which I accept as part of the process instead of trying to fight, so my brain is like "wheeeee, new challenges, those failures sucked but the success I had after it where I finally nailed down that aspect of my game I was working on feels a million times better BECAUSE of the failures and now I can use this new skill more consistently yayyyyy!!"

VS if I was going out there running the same game I was running a few years ago, going through the motions, and getting frustrated with it not seeming to work the way it used to, and trying to come up with rationalizations that help me avoid changing my game because my fans would be pissed that the products they bought have become dated and knowing I probably need to change something up but not being "allowed" to while knowing I still have another 5-20 years in the game…THAT would be a fucking nightmare.

I've always said PUA is backwards engineered from what works in the field…if we discovered that you needed a BMW to get laid, we would be the FIRST ones to tell guys to save up for a BMW. So when huge monkey wrenches like Tinder and social media validation are thrown into society, sometimes we need to adapt and backwards engineer what works. Mystery's A1-S3 will never change because that's just an observation of how human interaction works, but the parts of it you stress or loop between or let drop off (like these days I'm finding better results by dropping the rapport/comfort to a minimal amount instead of a huge amount like we used to stress, because a lot of <25yo girls don't WANT a Provider/boyfriend, they just want a Lover and the more rapport/comfort you get the harder it is to classify you as just a Lover so I'll get flakes with too much rapport/comfort, but they still need a BIT of it).

And we'll report these changes and whatever solutions we figure out from the frontlines like we always do 'cause that's how we've rolled since the oldschool days. πŸ˜€


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One more follow-up note on my notes to Krauser’s issues: Because he does so much daygame he probably doesn’t see this shift as fast as us guys running nightclub game see it. In a nightclub girls are running on pure emotion in the moment most of the time and you’ll see this shit shoved in your face.

Like watch girls in a nightclub/bar around 1am and you’ll see most of them pull out their phones and start txting. They’re setting up their booty calls with fuckbois, guys they’ve just met on Tinder, new Tinder guys who messaged them that night, their ex, etc. This didn’t happen in 2005 before smartphones and social media etc and this isn’t something you would witness during daygame.

Watch a girl pull her phone out to exchange numbers in a nightclub on a Fri/Sat night and you’ll see her have to scroll through 50 messages she’s gotten from fuckbois, Tinder guys, Facebook orbiters, their ex etc etc who are all horny and hoping to hook up with her. This isn’t something you’d see on a girl’s phone at like, 2pm on a Tuesday afternoon.

Watch how little girls care about giving their number out now (compared to 2005 before they had call display, blocking calls with a couple taps, txting instead of having to answer the phone, etc), they’ll give it out to pretty much ANYONE, zero fucks given these days because it doesn’t really mean much anymore. But that’s not something you’d see doing daygame when you see lone girls going for a stroll with no one really approaching her.

Watch the insane abundance level of girls in a nightclub and how it affects their attitude…how fast they are to blow guys out (esp over txt), move on, how little they care if you leave (unless you’ve made a hard emotional impact), how much validation they have pulling at their attention, invite multiple guys over, get guys to fight over them, hell even cockblocking has changed because the cockblocks have their own list of guys on their phone to go fuck so they WANT their friend to hook up a lot of the time now, and most importantly how little they CARE about getting laid because they have SO MUCH SEX lined up from thirsty guys who will drive to wherever they are with presents for them just for the CHANCE to do her a FAVOR that MIGHT lead to getting laid lol so they don’t HAVE to put out the first night if they think you’re hooked, etc etc. This is all stuff you won’t really see doing daygame when you see lone girls on the street.

So it makes sense that it would be more puzzling to him, because he’d be getting the tail end of these new dynamics without seeing the reasons behind wtf is going on. Like if I was him, based on the things we’re seeing in nightclubs, I would tweak my game to focus primarily on instadates instead of going for a number and setting up a Day2…try to involve the phone as little as possible, and I would switch to voice calls instead of txt game. When you’re txting she has 20 other conversations going on, but when you phone she has to focus on just YOU for the 20 min or whatever you’re talking, and it’s easier to build attraction etc. This is different than a few years ago, even 2 years ago, because of how shit has ramped up with Tinder and Instagram. But like, in 2008(ish) girls were like “wow I got a txt!!! This is awesome!!” and were excited and you were one of maybe 2 txts she had because no one txted and they cost money etc. So why bother phoning and risking saying something that fucks up the vibe? But now in 2016 especially, she is SWAMPED even if she’s a fucking 4/10 lol because she knew how to take good MySpace angles and has a bunch of online orbiters, and a lot of those guys are GOOD LOOKING DUDES because their profiles are their best pictures and are full of bullshit about how high-value they are etc

I’d also focus on making more emotional impact in my interactions. All his infield is verrrry low key, it looks almost entirely like rapport/comfort. Which was okay a few years ago…but now she has LITERALLY 100 Tinder guys all seeking rapport/comfort with her because that’s what default generic dudes do. That’s their whole game. “Hey, so where are you from that’s cool so what do you like to do that’s a cool hobby so what do you–” zzzzzzzz….So when you approach and shoot for building a lot of rapport/comfort, that’s not a BAD thing but you’re doing the same thing all the other guys are doing. But if you can spike her Buying Temp more, add some more push/pull, get her to qualify harder and chase harder, tease her till she’s doubling over laughing (like Tyler’s “picking up an alpha female” infield vid I linked on the first page of this comment section), that’s something she generally won’t get from txt messages from her orbiters because it’s just txt on a screen. Basically get more playful out there…that doesn’t mean dancing monkey, watch Tyler and Julien’s body language in those infields I mentioned in the last comment, Tyler is just chilled back against the bar barely moving the whole time and Julien in the PIMP preview video is often just standing there, checking his phone, really low energy…but the things they’re SAYING have EMOTIONAL IMPACT. When Tyler gives his one-word chill response “Perfection.” the girl EXPLODES. Julien tends to focus more on NEGATIVE emotional impact (that he smooths over afterward), like his “You’re old.” to the cougar and he just ignores her to look at his phone (he puts that pressure on but then takes it off when he says “You don’t have to qualify yourself to me I already LIKE you” and she’s relieved…classic push/pull but supercharged with HARD emotional impact).

My point being that girls are craving emotional impact. They’re drowning in a sea of chodes who give them a dialtone of emotions…in the past we didn’t have that much competition, before Tinder, Instagram, Whatsapp, Facebook, txting, smartphones, etc so if we gave them even just minimal emotions that was enough to get them to not flake and not give LMR etc. But shit has changed, it’s time to step up the emotional impact, but as older man introverts we can’t do it in a dancing monkey way, we have to focus on what Julien and Tyler are demonstrating in their low-energy videos where the girls are reacting hardcore to them doing minimal shit.

That’s my advice to Krauser lol again feel free to link/post it to him.

Also if he can put up with watching a long video, here’s Tyler explaining the Regeneration thing Krauser has a recent podcast about (where when you go out a lot you can’t focus on work etc). An example he can probably relate to where writing takes longer starts 4:33, and 6:12 is a GREAT example of Brad who’s brain is basically scrambled from going out sarging a ton and he’s trying to form thoughts for a vlog but just can’t do it because it’s too logical for the state his brain is in after going out a ton…”purple shirt, can’t complain” lol And keep watching through to the next Brad clip where again he can’t form anything logical, it’s just like hindbrain nonsense and he laughs when he even TRIES to get serious, because being serious wouldn’t help him infield and his brain thinks “we’re going out again tonight, fuck this logical shit let’s just be AWESOME!!!!”:

It’s not that Brad is an idiot (though if you met him when he’s in that mode you would think “this is just some dumb party bro”), his brain is just in a different mode which is totally not condusive to getting work done. I have to battle with this shit constantly because I work my own hours and I love sarging so it’s VERY easy to sleep in a little later, brush off a day of work, tell myself I’ll work extra hard on Monday to make up for getting almost nothing done Fri Sat and Sun, etc but whoops now it’s Thursday and my brain wants to go sarge fuck this work nonsense! etc etc Fucking battle every week and it’s why it’s taking me forever to get my career on track and my finances out of the gutter lol Even what I’m typing right now, I don’t get paid for this shit so I am just wasting time that I SHOULD be working but my brain is like “NOOOO DISCUSS GAAAAMEEEE IT’S MORE FUN AND IT’S ALMOST THURSDAY!!!!” lol

Not sure what the solution is, one option would be to set aside a few months to work and a few months to just go sarge, but just like the gym you’ll have to go through a pain period getting back into it which can be rough. Maybe Krauser will come up with a solution lol, I’m just linking this because he sounds like he’s got kind of a negative interpretation of what’s going on (like “ohhh the game wears me down and has this hidden cost on your LIFE and is so hard and I’m not lazy but daygame mysteriously is ruining my life ahhhhh :( :(“) VS Tyler’s interpretation which is just like “hey, your brain just wants more of what it’s doing, it’s cool, just plan for that and adjust accordingly and take advantage of the mode you’re in or understand there’ll be struggle to switch modes frequently and don’t beat yourself up about it”.

Also for other guys in general, those Brad clips are a good example of delusional confidence, and he’s actually trying to explain it…”why am I better than you? iphone 5, purple shirt”, like, he’s not basing his confidence on ANYTHING, or rather he’s basing it on EVERYTHING. If someone spilled something on his shirt he’d be like “why am I awesome? Because of this stain on my shirt, I have to have a stain on my shirt or it’s too easy to get girls” Like his brain will just reframe everything as a positive that makes him awesome in his mind, where other guys might freak out that their lucky shirt is ruined because they based their confidence on their externals. Brad’s a good looking dude (though again watch that Tyler “picking up an alpha female” infield for a girl blowing Brad out FOR Tyler lol) so it’s easy to be like “well if I looked like that I’d be delusionally confident too” but most guys who are good at the game are delusionally confident like that.

I’m just an average looking dude, currently at my fattest weight (but really I’m just chubby like I could stand to lose about 20lbs and would look good) and wearing an old t-shirt out there with dirty shoes etc but the same thing going through Brad’s mind is what goes through my mind. I’m awesome because of how awesome I am…why am I awesome? Duh, because I’m AWESOME. Those are my thought loops lol But I didn’t START OUT that way, I had TONS of negative thought loops (and they still pop in here and there), but I did a lot of work (positivity challenges, affirmations, purposely reframing things in the positive and looking for the silver lining in situations, going out without my crutches (like nice clothes or my hair done nice etc) etc) to get my brain to default to positive thoughts and reframes. Brad is better looking than me but if he and I walked into a club together we would both be feeling like the best looking guys in the room and probably get along great even though looks-wise I don’t compare and it’s not based on anything except my internal view of myself.

To paraphrase Tyler in The Blueprint: what if you realized that you didn’t need a REASON to be happy. Or feel confident. What if you realized that you could just have that be your DEFAULT STATE, based on NOTHING. That you can just BE happy and confident and don’t have to rationalize it. But social conditioning will convince you you need a REASON to feel those things and you have to JUSTIFY it or you’re not ALLOWED to feel it…but don’t worry, society will sell you the newest shirt or shoes or car or diet product or gym product etc to let you feel happy and confident. Until it’s outdated and you no longer feel worthy because you based your happiness and confidence on that external thing…but don’t worry, we have the next version of that product for you so you can feel good again! And the next version, and the next, and the next…….


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on February 10th, 2016 at 3:06 am
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One more follow-up note on my notes to Krauser’s issues: Because he does so much daygame he probably doesn’t see this shift as fast as us guys running nightclub game see it. In a nightclub girls are running on pure emotion in the moment most of the time and you’ll see this shit shoved in your face.

Like watch girls in a nightclub/bar around 1am and you’ll see most of them pull out their phones and start txting. They’re setting up their booty calls with fuckbois, guys they’ve just met on Tinder, new Tinder guys who messaged them that night, their ex, etc. This didn’t happen in 2005 before smartphones and social media etc and this isn’t something you would witness during daygame.

Watch a girl pull her phone out to exchange numbers in a nightclub on a Fri/Sat night and you’ll see her have to scroll through 50 messages she’s gotten from fuckbois, Tinder guys, Facebook orbiters, their ex etc etc who are all horny and hoping to hook up with her. This isn’t something you’d see on a girl’s phone at like, 2pm on a Tuesday afternoon.

Watch how little girls care about giving their number out now (compared to 2005 before they had call display, blocking calls with a couple taps, txting instead of having to answer the phone, etc), they’ll give it out to pretty much ANYONE, zero fucks given these days because it doesn’t really mean much anymore. But that’s not something you’d see doing daygame when you see lone girls going for a stroll with no one really approaching her.

Watch the insane abundance level of girls in a nightclub and how it affects their attitude…how fast they are to blow guys out (esp over txt), move on, how little they care if you leave (unless you’ve made a hard emotional impact), how much validation they have pulling at their attention, invite multiple guys over, get guys to fight over them, hell even cockblocking has changed because the cockblocks have their own list of guys on their phone to go fuck so they WANT their friend to hook up a lot of the time now, and most importantly how little they CARE about getting laid because they have SO MUCH SEX lined up from thirsty guys who will drive to wherever they are with presents for them just for the CHANCE to do her a FAVOR that MIGHT lead to getting laid lol so they don’t HAVE to put out the first night if they think you’re hooked, etc etc. This is all stuff you won’t really see doing daygame when you see lone girls on the street.

So it makes sense that it would be more puzzling to him, because he’d be getting the tail end of these new dynamics without seeing the reasons behind wtf is going on. Like if I was him, based on the things we’re seeing in nightclubs, I would tweak my game to focus primarily on instadates instead of going for a number and setting up a Day2…try to involve the phone as little as possible, and I would switch to voice calls instead of txt game. When you’re txting she has 20 other conversations going on, but when you phone she has to focus on just YOU for the 20 min or whatever you’re talking, and it’s easier to build attraction etc. This is different than a few years ago, even 2 years ago, because of how shit has ramped up with Tinder and Instagram. But like, in 2008(ish) girls were like “wow I got a txt!!! This is awesome!!” and were excited and you were one of maybe 2 txts she had because no one txted and they cost money etc. So why bother phoning and risking saying something that fucks up the vibe? But now in 2016 especially, she is SWAMPED even if she’s a fucking 4/10 lol because she knew how to take good MySpace angles and has a bunch of online orbiters, and a lot of those guys are GOOD LOOKING DUDES because their profiles are their best pictures and are full of bullshit about how high-value they are etc

I’d also focus on making more emotional impact in my interactions. All his infield is verrrry low key, it looks almost entirely like rapport/comfort. Which was okay a few years ago…but now she has LITERALLY 100 Tinder guys all seeking rapport/comfort with her because that’s what default generic dudes do. That’s their whole game. “Hey, so where are you from that’s cool so what do you like to do that’s a cool hobby so what do you–” zzzzzzzz….So when you approach and shoot for building a lot of rapport/comfort, that’s not a BAD thing but you’re doing the same thing all the other guys are doing. But if you can spike her Buying Temp more, add some more push/pull, get her to qualify harder and chase harder, tease her till she’s doubling over laughing (like Tyler’s “picking up an alpha female” infield vid I linked on the first page of this comment section), that’s something she generally won’t get from txt messages from her orbiters because it’s just txt on a screen. Basically get more playful out there…that doesn’t mean dancing monkey, watch Tyler and Julien’s body language in those infields I mentioned in the last comment, Tyler is just chilled back against the bar barely moving the whole time and Julien in the PIMP preview video is often just standing there, checking his phone, really low energy…but the things they’re SAYING have EMOTIONAL IMPACT. When Tyler gives his one-word chill response “Perfection.” the girl EXPLODES. Julien tends to focus more on NEGATIVE emotional impact (that he smooths over afterward), like his “You’re old.” to the cougar and he just ignores her to look at his phone (he puts that pressure on but then takes it off when he says “You don’t have to qualify yourself to me I already LIKE you” and she’s relieved…classic push/pull but supercharged with HARD emotional impact).

My point being that girls are craving emotional impact. They’re drowning in a sea of chodes who give them a dialtone of emotions…in the past we didn’t have that much competition, before Tinder, Instagram, Whatsapp, Facebook, txting, smartphones, etc so if we gave them even just minimal emotions that was enough to get them to not flake and not give LMR etc. But shit has changed, it’s time to step up the emotional impact, but as older man introverts we can’t do it in a dancing monkey way, we have to focus on what Julien and Tyler are demonstrating in their low-energy videos where the girls are reacting hardcore to them doing minimal shit.

That’s my advice to Krauser lol again feel free to link/post it to him.

Also if he can put up with watching a long video, here’s Tyler explaining the Regeneration thing Krauser has a recent podcast about (where when you go out a lot you can’t focus on work etc). An example he can probably relate to where writing takes longer starts 4:33, and 6:12 is a GREAT example of Brad who’s brain is basically scrambled from going out sarging a ton and he’s trying to form thoughts for a vlog but just can’t do it because it’s too logical for the state his brain is in after going out a ton…”purple shirt, can’t complain” lol And keep watching through to the next Brad clip where again he can’t form anything logical, it’s just like hindbrain nonsense and he laughs when he even TRIES to get serious, because being serious wouldn’t help him infield and his brain thinks “we’re going out again tonight, fuck this logical shit let’s just be AWESOME!!!!”:

It’s not that Brad is an idiot (though if you met him when he’s in that mode you would think “this is just some dumb party bro”), his brain is just in a different mode which is totally not condusive to getting work done. I have to battle with this shit constantly because I work my own hours and I love sarging so it’s VERY easy to sleep in a little later, brush off a day of work, tell myself I’ll work extra hard on Monday to make up for getting almost nothing done Fri Sat and Sun, etc but whoops now it’s Thursday and my brain wants to go sarge fuck this work nonsense! etc etc Fucking battle every week and it’s why it’s taking me forever to get my career on track and my finances out of the gutter lol Even what I’m typing right now, I don’t get paid for this shit so I am just wasting time that I SHOULD be working but my brain is like “NOOOO DISCUSS GAAAAMEEEE IT’S MORE FUN AND IT’S ALMOST THURSDAY!!!!” lol

Not sure what the solution is, one option would be to set aside a few months to work and a few months to just go sarge, but just like the gym you’ll have to go through a pain period getting back into it which can be rough. Maybe Krauser will come up with a solution lol, I’m just linking this because he sounds like he’s got kind of a negative interpretation of what’s going on (like “ohhh the game wears me down and has this hidden cost on your LIFE and is so hard and I’m not lazy but daygame mysteriously is ruining my life ahhhhh😦 :(“) VS Tyler’s interpretation which is just like “hey, your brain just wants more of what it’s doing, it’s cool, just plan for that and adjust accordingly and take advantage of the mode you’re in or understand there’ll be struggle to switch modes frequently and don’t beat yourself up about it”.

Also for other guys in general, those Brad clips are a good example of delusional confidence, and he’s actually trying to explain it…”why am I better than you? iphone 5, purple shirt”, like, he’s not basing his confidence on ANYTHING, or rather he’s basing it on EVERYTHING. If someone spilled something on his shirt he’d be like “why am I awesome? Because of this stain on my shirt, I have to have a stain on my shirt or it’s too easy to get girls” Like his brain will just reframe everything as a positive that makes him awesome in his mind, where other guys might freak out that their lucky shirt is ruined because they based their confidence on their externals. Brad’s a good looking dude (though again watch that Tyler “picking up an alpha female” infield for a girl blowing Brad out FOR Tyler lol) so it’s easy to be like “well if I looked like that I’d be delusionally confident too” but most guys who are good at the game are delusionally confident like that.

I’m just an average looking dude, currently at my fattest weight (but really I’m just chubby like I could stand to lose about 20lbs and would look good) and wearing an old t-shirt out there with dirty shoes etc but the same thing going through Brad’s mind is what goes through my mind. I’m awesome because of how awesome I am…why am I awesome? Duh, because I’m AWESOME. Those are my thought loops lol But I didn’t START OUT that way, I had TONS of negative thought loops (and they still pop in here and there), but I did a lot of work (positivity challenges, affirmations, purposely reframing things in the positive and looking for the silver lining in situations, going out without my crutches (like nice clothes or my hair done nice etc) etc) to get my brain to default to positive thoughts and reframes. Brad is better looking than me but if he and I walked into a club together we would both be feeling like the best looking guys in the room and probably get along great even though looks-wise I don’t compare and it’s not based on anything except my internal view of myself.

To paraphrase Tyler in The Blueprint: what if you realized that you didn’t need a REASON to be happy. Or feel confident. What if you realized that you could just have that be your DEFAULT STATE, based on NOTHING. That you can just BE happy and confident and don’t have to rationalize it. But social conditioning will convince you you need a REASON to feel those things and you have to JUSTIFY it or you’re not ALLOWED to feel it…but don’t worry, society will sell you the newest shirt or shoes or car or diet product or gym product etc to let you feel happy and confident. Until it’s outdated and you no longer feel worthy because you based your happiness and confidence on that external thing…but don’t worry, we have the next version of that product for you so you can feel good again! And the next version, and the next, and the next…….


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on February 10th, 2016 at 4:38 am
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“it’s all now in the moment”

This phrase actually sums up the shift that’s going on in my opinion. Because girls have unlimited orbiters they can just live in the moment. I’ve had girls where they’re into me, we’re txting and getting along great, everything on track, and then they make a demand like come to their place or write them a dirty story or send a dick pic etc and when I don’t they’ll flat out tell me they’ll find someone else who will and I’ll never hear from them again lol Because guys are so expendable to them that sure she liked me, but she has a Tinder match list of 100+ other guys that might be as good or better than me and will do what she wants in that moment, and she won’t think twice about what she missed out on (till she’s 35+ hitting the wall lol).

Same with gaming them in person, it’s like in the moment she’s in love with you and you have this great interaction, but after 24-48 hours she’s had so much other attention/validation come in that you’re as expendable as $10,000 is to Bill Gates. In the old days you could get a number and txt a few days later and set up a Day2 for that weekend and she’d spend a few days anticipating it and getting her pussy waxed, shaving her legs, shopping for an outfit, etc and she’d take a cab to meet up with you on the day of.

But now it’s like, girls will lay there on the couch in a hoodie watching Netflix, haven’t shaved their legs in a few days, just being a sloth and txt guys and tell them to come over and bring food and some guy who’s available in that moment will hop in his car and come over and she won’t even have decided if she’s going to bang him yet, because for her if the guy comes over and they just eat and watch Netflix and she isn’t in the mood in the next moment she can just say ok I’m tired thanks for coming over and that guy will go off happy as a clam that he got to be around a girl even when she’s at her worst.

So for me, I love dolled up girls and the old system was great. They’d show up looking sexy and I was happy. But now getting girls to just come to my area, let alone getting them to doll up and put in effort etc, is like pulling teeth.

My analogy to my buddy is imagine you lived at the Playboy mansion and there’s a dozen gorgeous 8s suckingy your dick all day. Maybe when you went for groceries you met some cool hot 10…you get back home and you’re laying in bed lazy and bored and 3 hot girls are begging to blow you and you don’t even have to shower up or shave or anything, you’re just being a sloth and even at your worst you have these girls wanting to fuck you. That 10 texts you and is like “hey, shower up, put on your nicest outfit, shave, hop in your car, travel for 20 minutes, find parking, and come try to impress me, also bring money so we can split the tab” lol As awesome as she might have seemed in the moment, and if she had txted you that immediately after meeting you or swept you away from the grocery store, you might go for it…but now, while you have these 3 8s rubbing your dick it’s like “ehhhh…that sounds like a lot of effort”.

So I can’t even blame them for it. We would all do the same thing if the roles were reversed lol

But I’m finding that if you can flip the switches HARD, like Julien and Tyler are doing in their infield, where they have the girls chasing them hard and investing in the interaction etc, the girls will make more of an effort, because they’ve chosen you and worked to EARN you, so they want to get a return on their investment by meeting up, and they’ll fuck you to get the validation you wouldn’t give them when you were stacking devalidations. It’s flipping the frame completely and acting like an HB10 to get them to act like beta chodes chasing you around lol

And again I’m talking primarily the <25yo crowd who's been raised on social media. For me to use social media, I can't even figure half that shit out, maintaining it would be a nightmare of effort for me as an old dinosaur. But these girls/guys have had smartphones with Facebook etc since they were 12 (or younger), they've grown up with this shit and it's normal to them the way talking on the phone and memorizing phone numbers was normal to me growing up.

I keep an eye out for other guys running into this stuff that align with what I'm seeing, that's why Krauser's few paragraphs of his stats summary stood out to me. He's going for that <25yo crowd like my buddies and I do and I think a lot of guys are hitting these changes and having to adapt. Like in 2016 I think a single voice call where you spike the girl's emotions and try to get her out for an immediate Day2 right then and there like just come out the door as you are, is a higher % play than setting up a Day2 a week in advance via txt. After you bang them you can say "ok next time dress up" and set up plans in advance, but that first P in V fuck is almost like a shooting star emotion in the moment in this ADD culture.

In SHIFT, Julien's infield has some demonstrations of him building massive preselection by merging sets of girls forward with eachother and springboarding into new sets of girls etc That kind of thing is classic Mystery Method where the girl observes the guy DHV'ing and chooses him (and is less likely to flake, have LMR, etc). The problem is most of us, the second we get a few iois, will try to seduce the girl and go for the fast makeout/escalation instead of playing high-value and disqualifying her a bunch and teasing her like Julien pulling away before letting the girl have the kiss etc. Once the girl knows she has you chasing her, you're basically like all the other guys to her so when you try to txt and arrange a Day2 a few days later you're the same value as a random Tinder guy and probably lower value than her fuckbois she has Comfort/Rapport with from fucking. But if you played harder to get and higher-value and made her choose you, chase you, invest in the interaction, qualify herself a ton, and never fully give her validation, you're like the itch she can't scratch and she needs closure more…combine that with stuff like a voice call instead of txting, and meeting up within 24-48 hours, a solid time-bridge for plans if you did have to take the number, etc and you're a lot more likely to get her to put in effort.


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on February 10th, 2016 at 4:38 am
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@walawala
“it’s all now in the moment”

This phrase actually sums up the shift that’s going on in my opinion. Because girls have unlimited orbiters they can just live in the moment. I’ve had girls where they’re into me, we’re txting and getting along great, everything on track, and then they make a demand like come to their place or write them a dirty story or send a dick pic etc and when I don’t they’ll flat out tell me they’ll find someone else who will and I’ll never hear from them again lol Because guys are so expendable to them that sure she liked me, but she has a Tinder match list of 100+ other guys that might be as good or better than me and will do what she wants in that moment, and she won’t think twice about what she missed out on (till she’s 35+ hitting the wall lol).

Same with gaming them in person, it’s like in the moment she’s in love with you and you have this great interaction, but after 24-48 hours she’s had so much other attention/validation come in that you’re as expendable as $10,000 is to Bill Gates. In the old days you could get a number and txt a few days later and set up a Day2 for that weekend and she’d spend a few days anticipating it and getting her pussy waxed, shaving her legs, shopping for an outfit, etc and she’d take a cab to meet up with you on the day of.

But now it’s like, girls will lay there on the couch in a hoodie watching Netflix, haven’t shaved their legs in a few days, just being a sloth and txt guys and tell them to come over and bring food and some guy who’s available in that moment will hop in his car and come over and she won’t even have decided if she’s going to bang him yet, because for her if the guy comes over and they just eat and watch Netflix and she isn’t in the mood in the next moment she can just say ok I’m tired thanks for coming over and that guy will go off happy as a clam that he got to be around a girl even when she’s at her worst.

So for me, I love dolled up girls and the old system was great. They’d show up looking sexy and I was happy. But now getting girls to just come to my area, let alone getting them to doll up and put in effort etc, is like pulling teeth.

My analogy to my buddy is imagine you lived at the Playboy mansion and there’s a dozen gorgeous 8s suckingy your dick all day. Maybe when you went for groceries you met some cool hot 10…you get back home and you’re laying in bed lazy and bored and 3 hot girls are begging to blow you and you don’t even have to shower up or shave or anything, you’re just being a sloth and even at your worst you have these girls wanting to fuck you. That 10 texts you and is like “hey, shower up, put on your nicest outfit, shave, hop in your car, travel for 20 minutes, find parking, and come try to impress me, also bring money so we can split the tab” lol As awesome as she might have seemed in the moment, and if she had txted you that immediately after meeting you or swept you away from the grocery store, you might go for it…but now, while you have these 3 8s rubbing your dick it’s like “ehhhh…that sounds like a lot of effort”.

So I can’t even blame them for it. We would all do the same thing if the roles were reversed lol

But I’m finding that if you can flip the switches HARD, like Julien and Tyler are doing in their infield, where they have the girls chasing them hard and investing in the interaction etc, the girls will make more of an effort, because they’ve chosen you and worked to EARN you, so they want to get a return on their investment by meeting up, and they’ll fuck you to get the validation you wouldn’t give them when you were stacking devalidations. It’s flipping the frame completely and acting like an HB10 to get them to act like beta chodes chasing you around lol

And again I’m talking primarily the <25yo crowd who's been raised on social media. For me to use social media, I can't even figure half that shit out, maintaining it would be a nightmare of effort for me as an old dinosaur. But these girls/guys have had smartphones with Facebook etc since they were 12 (or younger), they've grown up with this shit and it's normal to them the way talking on the phone and memorizing phone numbers was normal to me growing up.

I keep an eye out for other guys running into this stuff that align with what I'm seeing, that's why Krauser's few paragraphs of his stats summary stood out to me. He's going for that <25yo crowd like my buddies and I do and I think a lot of guys are hitting these changes and having to adapt. Like in 2016 I think a single voice call where you spike the girl's emotions and try to get her out for an immediate Day2 right then and there like just come out the door as you are, is a higher % play than setting up a Day2 a week in advance via txt. After you bang them you can say "ok next time dress up" and set up plans in advance, but that first P in V fuck is almost like a shooting star emotion in the moment in this ADD culture.

In SHIFT, Julien's infield has some demonstrations of him building massive preselection by merging sets of girls forward with eachother and springboarding into new sets of girls etc That kind of thing is classic Mystery Method where the girl observes the guy DHV'ing and chooses him (and is less likely to flake, have LMR, etc). The problem is most of us, the second we get a few iois, will try to seduce the girl and go for the fast makeout/escalation instead of playing high-value and disqualifying her a bunch and teasing her like Julien pulling away before letting the girl have the kiss etc. Once the girl knows she has you chasing her, you're basically like all the other guys to her so when you try to txt and arrange a Day2 a few days later you're the same value as a random Tinder guy and probably lower value than her fuckbois she has Comfort/Rapport with from fucking. But if you played harder to get and higher-value and made her choose you, chase you, invest in the interaction, qualify herself a ton, and never fully give her validation, you're like the itch she can't scratch and she needs closure more…combine that with stuff like a voice call instead of txting, and meeting up within 24-48 hours, a solid time-bridge for plans if you did have to take the number, etc and you're a lot more likely to get her to put in effort.


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on February 12th, 2016 at 6:03 am
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“Two that stand out (and for brevity of time today) are thinking the <25YO's have "daddy issues" and the part about the girl thinking he was either intelligent or rich… he missed those. It is not because of any so called daddy issue, and not because of how he is dressed that he therefore much be rich… Owen has gotten to the part of his life where he is exhibiting what I now call the Alpha Triad – passionate, dynamic and authentic traits."

I think they ALL have "daddy issues" in 2016 lol because a real "daddy" is so rare (an authoritative dominant alpha male they respect who disciplines them and leads them etc) in our feminized culture lol

They don't think he's rich because of his outfit, I pointed out the H&M thing just to stress that the girl KNOWS he's not rich and it doesn't matter for the looks-guys around here, but Tyler explains in the second half of his breakdown of the infield that girls think he's rich because of his confident subcomms that they think "well he's ugly so his confidence has to be based on having money or owning the bar or being a celebrity or SOMETHING, he couldn't just BE confident that doesn't make sense by society's value-system!"

Like he points out in the second half that it's his subcomms of being an old man that are doing the work for him, which is basically what your alpha triad stuff is saying. So he's fully aware of that and it's definitely something that comes with age/experience. The older I get the LESS I do in set because my subcomms that I didn't have in my 20s when I first started going out are doing a lot of the work for me. But I would put those subcomms down to field experience over age, a 40yo guy can be just as squirrely reactive indecisive etc around hot girls as a 20yo if he hasn't gone out much or was trapped in a shitty relationship for a bunch of years and is just getting back out there.

Girls NEED a man to lead them. Like Patrice O'Neal always talks about: "a girl without a man guiding her is a fucking MESS". It's not so much daddy issues as it is just, they don't have someoen playing that daddy role in their life, so when an older guy learning game and learning how to give off those subcomms and not take her seriously and cut through her shit-tests and doesn't react to her drama and scolds her for shit and dominates her physically etc comes along, it triggers that "I NEED this yin to my yang (or whatever) in my life, I'm a mess and my life is chaos and I need to be around this energy". But it's all just subcomms, I could spend 10 pages breaking down every little subcomm Tyler's doing in his infield in retarded detail and explain how to duplicate it etc but the more you go out the more you'll develop it because you'll interact with girls and BECOME immune to bullshit and BECOME more grounded and BECOME more certain of yourself and BECOME more entitled to be physical etc

Can't learn this shit from reading or dabbling with one foot out the door making excuses. Gotta get out there on the frontlines.

@scray
"if you can escalate at the right time, and moreover, if you can escalate just the right amount…."

Ya ideally you just do the minimum amount needed. A lot of guys overgame because they're waiting for a neon 100% perfect flashing green light giving them the "don't worry you won't get rejected it's impossible so go for it" signal. Whereas a lot of Naturals get laid a shitload because they act as soon as they see even the dim 10-watt tiny flicker of a green blip for a split-second, WITHIN that split-second they've already started pushing forward because they know and trust that they're going to get the full green light.

It's like Tim says at the start of this vid about "having a chat":

The problem is it can take a while (AND SHITLOADS OF FIELD EXPERIENCE FUCKING IT UP AND MISSING THEM, GO OUT IT'S FRIDAY) for guys who aren't used to women being "into" them (or are older and feeling insecure about their age or have lost their looks etc so they don't think they can get the same iois that they got when they were young badass players in their 20s)

@scray @forge the sky @culum struan @scribblerg @sentient @etc

"And that is because most men can’t recognize when to pull the trigger. For example, you meet a girl at a club and shake her hand, say ‘hey,’ and she smiles while giving you strong eye contact, ‘hey.’ Right there just kiss her.

Practice this move!

I want someone to have a FR where they try this out."

For anyone who needs a visual, see 48 seconds into this video, watch the kiss before you read my mini-breakdown:

First time someone watches it they may think "oh well he's a famous celebrity and good looking so of course that's what it was, whatever" and just brush it off as something they could never do.

But look at it over and over a few times and pay VERY close attention to Robbie's eyes, then watch it again looking at the girl's eyes. Then watch it again listening to what exactly he says as he takes her hand.

Notice anything?

You should if you've watched the Gambler and Liam Macrae and James Franco vids I always link about laser eye-contact and read the stuff I've written about how when you lock lasers with a girl the words stop mattering and kind of trail off and you both go into fully subcommunicating.

The second Robbie sees her he glances down then up to her eyes and then his eyes never leave hers and hers never leave his and the two of them lock eye-contact hardcore and as Robbie's words trail off "It's your..first……day………" as the lasers lock and they hit that subcomm mode. They don't take their eyes off eachother because it's like two magnets pulling toward eachother and it actually takes EFFORT to pull your eyes away. You'll see this a lot in good flirting scenes in movies where the person will turn their head away but their eyes will stay locked on till the last possible second.

A good example of this locked on head-turning thing is Jude Law in Alfie at 1:20 in this video (the whole triple-take (fast, then slow, then REALLY slow checkout) he does is mint, I use it especially when I first see a girl that shows up for a Day2 or whatever where I want to set a sexual tone):

Note how Jude's eyes linger as he starts to turn his head. You'll understand that magnet feeling when you pull lasers off and hit that lock point. Check my archives for shit on it.

Back to the Robbie clip, because he has lasers locked he knows they can both feel sexual tension rising and since he has compliance with the hand-holding etc, as a Natural in his prime back then, he instinctively knows to just say some nonsense and then escalate on it like scray is talking about. Often I'll throw some random words in there to basically just distract her forebrain so I can escalate and give her subbrain what it wants…vs dead silence where her forebrain is more likely to put up some "woah hey we can't!!" ASD. By just saying ANYTHING literally I've said total nonsense like "oh that's weird have you seen the thing with the stuff…" and let each word just get lower and trail off mid-sentence as I cut the space moving in to kiss her in one smooth motion with no hesitation, just assuming she'll be into it based on all the signals I've picked up.

To anyone else, like the interviewer guy or the audience it's like "holy shit where did that come from, oh that cheeky Robbie!!", but when you know what to look for that kiss makes complete sense and follows principles you've read about in my archives and seen broken down in those Gambler/Liam vids. There's no magic going on here, you don't have to be some rockstar, it's just a Natural picking up on signals and escalating before other people even NOTICE the windows are open.

Can you pick up on these signals in realtime in real life? Sure, I can, and I was a complete social dunce till I found PUA in my mid-20s. But it requires GOING OUT and getting into a lot of interactions with women and observing a lot of other people's interactions and fucking it up and missing windows and losing lays and girls you could've have if your brain had been a little sharper and a little faster. But that's the game. :) Over time you get better at it until you can see a clip like this Robbie kiss or Tyler/Julien infield and just pick up all the subcomms as they're happening and "get it".

At the start it can help to just go for it and see what happens and learn from there…there's no way to learn without fucking up. That's why you don't shit where you eat, you go to nightclubs and bars and shit where there's a lot of women who won't remember you and you can try this stuff out and if a girl is freaked out no biggie apologize or run away and she probably won't remember you or you may never see her again…vs if you tried it on a co-worker or social circle lol

"Another thing guys do is get butthurt with madonna/whore complexes. Holy shit this is a big one. They’ll get some girl who is DTF and available for them, and they just are so FUCKED UP INTERNALLY that they believe that only a sloooooot could like them so much."

lol ya I've known a bunch of guys who want a girl but if she's too forward then they're like "nooo this one is a slut I don't want a sluuuut, I just want a good girl that puts out right away (????)" lol and they freeze up or eject or don't pull the trigger etc. This kind of thing is why I keep talking about how irrelevant those good-looking dudes at the bar are. Throw girls at them and WATCH them and see what happens. Introduce them to random girls, girls who are checking them OUT even and you'll see some of the most embarrassing throwing away of silver platter poon you can imagine. It's hilarious, because everyone thinks those guys will get laid no problem every time especially if the girl is attracted to them when she's introduced or is forward etc and it's like sorry it just doesn't play out that way in real life most of the time. In real life most of those guys choke when a hot girl is staring them down, and end up getting drunk and fucking a Tinder 6 that they feel more entitled to get (because despite their looks their internals are all fucked up (and that's often (but not always) part of WHY they focus so hard on improving their looks, BECAUSE they don't feel inherently entitled to hot girls)).

@Forge the sky
"In the past few weeks I’ve been having a lot of facepalm moments – starting to realize all sorts of openings are there that I never noticed before, but just a bit too late."

Welcome to the game. ;) That's the learning process. Missing window after window until you start noticing them and still missing them till you start acting on them and then fucking them up until you start acting on them and not fucking them up but then missing the NEXT window, etc etc until you go crazy or keep at it and keep going out and keep getting field reference experiences of these windows and get to where you see (and expect) the windows and pounce on them immediately and smoothly and are ready for the next window.

This is why we force guys to go out. You CAN'T learn these things reading shit on the internet, you have to experience them and FEEL the sting of missing windows and FEEL the facepalm of "oh shit, she was BLATANTLY throwing herself at me and I missed it DURRRR" etc

And if you take time off the game (like you LTR up and stop going out and flirting with girls wherever you go), your brain will stop noticing the windows etc and you'll find yourself in a pain period where your brain has to get back in shape, just like if you took time off the gym the first week/month would be the hardest as you get your body used to working out again.

"You have any more ideas for ways to bump myself out of me making everything platonic?"

Watch/read the shit I linked you fucker lol The answers are sitting right there, combined with the field waiting for you to test it all out. :)

@10×10 @scribblerg
"If you want game resources for that, I wouldn’t recommend YaReally. He’s somewhat infantile."

lol

"I would take a Wayne Elise weekend conversation camp (Juggler of PUA fame)"

Highly recommend checking out Juggler Method, I've linked it a few times. Great stuff for basic deep conversational skills and building rapport/comfort. This should be general reading for anyone trying to improve their social skills regardless of whether it's to get laid or network or just mingle in social circles etc I wouldn't take a course though, just grab his PDF, you'll figure out the rest.

"or I would take a James MacLane (socialcoach.com) bootcamp"

Personally I'm not a big fan of his vibe (he seems twitchy and I don't like his hunched body language etc), but he's got a lot of stuff on YouTube so hey check it out and see if it helps you, but from what I've glimpsed I haven't seen him teach anything the usual suspects don't teach. If he's got something specific that he teaches really well you should link it. All I've really seen from him is basic conversation and kino.

"I’m mid 40s but I’ve spent the money on both of those and I find that these guys present seduction / charism arts in a mature way which you won’t find basically anywhere else."

Are you fucking the <25yo hotties with your "mature way"? Or are you on Tinder/OKCupid and/or taking home 30+yo chicks? I'm mid-30s and just sent a new 23yo home before I came on here to check up on the Roosh drama before I crash for sleep and I'll be out with a buddy my age helping him step up to make out with <25yos at a kiddie nightclub tonight lol

When guys say this "mature way" shit (which says right off the bat that they haven't actually watched any of the low-energy infield videos I've recommended), it's usually code for: "I want to go stand around trying to be cool James Bond because I'm a mature man who doesn't know how to loosen up and have fun, and in-field I usually end up just standing around looking cool and telling my buddies how none of the girls here are good enough or whatever other rationalizations I have to make to avoid approaching and expressing some personality, and I spend most of my interactions just focused on rapport/comfort which works great on older chicks but I can't for the life of me keep the attention of a hot <25yo who's out having a fun night out at the bar, and I'll hate on younger pickup guys because I haven't ACTUALLY watched videos like Tyler's "picking up an alpha female" infield where he's just leaning against a bar completely chill talking to the girl or Julien's SHIFT infield where he's pretty laid back and instead I think PUA is still running up high-fiving everyone and being a dancing monkey and I don't have the creative capacity to understand how you can give off a fun low-energy vibe without being a crazy dancing monkey"

But hey what do I know, I'm just some infantile keyboard jockey. :)

Like Tyler says, you can look at having fun infield and say "I'm too mature to do that", but we view it as making a mature decision to decide to have fun and not take ourselves so seriously out there. You don't have to be a crazy wild high-energy dancing monkey…grab Julien's SHIFT infield and watch the nightclub videos and at the start of one of them he talks about high ENERGY versus high INTENSITY.

high-energy + high-intensity = what most people think PUA is, crazy dancing monkey shit (and to be fair early PUA game WAS that lol), Stifler from American Pie basically, guys in their 20s and early 30s will often use this because they naturally have the high-energy for it

high-energy + low-intensity = gay BFF vibe, no sexual intent behind it…this is what most guys learning PUA will do for the first looooong while where they're keeping a girl's attention but it's all platonic no sexual tension in the interaction

low-energy + low-intensity = boring guy, invisible to girls basically, the generic AFC chode at the bar

LOW-ENERGY + HIGH-INTENSITY = this is what you want to shoot when you hit your 30s and beyond…this is that rock solid confidence and sexual intent with laser eye-contact etc that's up in her space and she can't ignore it, but isn't crazy wild spin-hugs and high-fives, it's just a really grounded vibe. This is what I use.

Here's Tyler using low-energy + high-intensity at 2:00, this is the type of game an "old mature man" can run, very low-energy and chill but he's pushing the interaction forward:

And at 54 seconds into this, you can't even hear what they're saying but Tyler's body-language is chill and low energy, nothing a "mature older man" can't do, no crazy spin-hugs and high-fives here:

First minute of this video, again low-energy but pushing things forward:

"Most PUA stuff is directed at men in their 20s and early 30s and as such is unrelateable to older men."

No, most older men are caught up in social conditioning that tells them they have to be boring as fuck and they can't relate to PUA stuff that doesn't tell them "go ahead and just be James Bond, some girl will approach you and you can buy her a drink and play Sugardaddy game" which is what they want to hear even though usually the ACTUAL results they're getting aren't what they were hoping for…and they don't actually LOOK at PUA stuff and realize "oh, they don't just teach crazy spin-hug high-five dancing monkey game like I thought"

"YaReally may be giving the nuts and bolts of PUA but its hard to get this stuff from on-line. The days of the internet PUAs is coming to an end. Live coaching and video instruction is vastly superior to the internet FR stuff. If you have the money spend it."

Video is the best because it's free lol There's no reason for a guy to pay to learn pickup, even if you don't want to torrent the products there's enough guys teaching the same shit for free with slightly different terminology etc all over YouTube to not need to pay for the information. The rest is just GOING OUT and applying it and learning what works and how to calibrate infield.

If you have MASSIVE sticking points, writing FRs will usually help us narrow down what your problems are after you write a handful of them and we can look for patterns. Most guys who are frustrated with their progress don't write FRs lol

If you've been writing FRs and are STILL having trouble after like a year of going out, THEN consider paying a coach to take you infield and point out what you're doing wrong and how to fix it etc because they can usually spot problems quickly.

But make a go of it on your own first, you can make a shitload of progress without any "formal" training. None of us had bootcamps when PUA was first being figured out, we just went out a shitload, and I've never taken a bootcamp or paid $ for a product.

The reality is if you're starting to learn the game at like 40+, and you go to a coach on day one, sure he'll be able to help you because you are doing 10000000 fucking things wrong at that stage lol…things that you WOULD'VE fixed on your own if you had just done your reading/watching, gone out infield, and done your Field Reports. Go to a coach when you have sticking points that NO ONE online can help you with and you've written a bunch of FRs and gotten to where you aren't going to hear a coach say "make eye contact" "use breaking rapport tonality" "speak louder" "don't fall for shit-tests" "don't fall into her frame" etc.

@hank
"how do you get the motivation to go out when you know there won”t be any girls there you are attracted to?"

Sacrifice whatever you have to sacrifice to move to where there will be girls you're attracted to. Unless you don't want it bad enough yet. Or learn to have fun socializing in general, with everyone, men and women, ugly and attractive, and build social circles, network, challenge yourself to try new things, etc

If you have super high standards to where you need to be in like, LA private parties or Vegas high-end venues etc and you're just starting out then you gotta ask yourself how you're going to get into those circles when you aren't even motivated to have fun talking to normal people and socializing (aka giving value to people around you).

Like Julien says: you should be able to have fun in a bar full of ugly girls that you would never in a million years fuck, or dudes lol Like you should be learning how to enjoy the game to where you would still have a fun night in those circumstances. If those people are all beneath you, well, maybe you're beneath the type of girls and social circles you DO want to be in. Learn to ENJOY giving value in general.

@Culum
"but sexualizing VERBALLY is really getting pretty easy now – it’s a certain knack that comes with practice – if you do it for a while (not that long) you can twist pretty much anything to get a sexual angle to it.."

With the chick I just sent home, the first half of our interaction I was inside my head from work etc so I wasn't really sexualizing anything and we had a good vibe but it felt platonic, even making good eye-contact. If I had kept that up she'd have had a "fun chat" but gotten bored and left at some point. I realized I was fucking up so I started making a purposeful effort to start misinterpreting things playfully sexual and using innuendo etc plus the eye-contact, FINALLY shit clicked and we were into a sexual vibe and it was easy from there.

It's a thing you have to purposely learn to do and work on. I used to be a super asexual AFC chode that was scared to even say words like pussy fuck sex etc outloud, let alone to girls I had just met lol Gotta work on it and be okay with the reality that you'll probably miscalibrate and fuck it up here and there and weird some people out before you get a handle on it…which again is why we send guys to environments with lots of girls in one place.

"But just be careful you don’t use your preferences and standards as a buffer to not approach or leave your comfort zone"

This. You don't have to fuck every girl you flirt with. Just use them for practice. And if you hate them all, move. Tyler slept on a mattress in a closet to be able to sarge in Hollywood. If you want it bad enough you'll figure out a way and make the sacrifices.

@Sentient
"That is what to do if she doesn’t want it."

I like Julien's PIMP infield (the vid I linked earlier with the cougar in the stacking devalidation section) where he calls her out for ruining the kiss, ruining a romantic movie moment, making fun of her being the worst kisser in the bar, etc etc playfully. Regardless of how you handle it, if you get resistance CALIBRATE (like Tyler explains in his street pickup infield I linked earlier) and go back to the level of escalation she was comfortable with and chill there while you continue to game and then escalate again once her ASD has settled down and she's back into attraction.

It's VERY COMMON to get the cheek on your first kiss attempt. It's FINE. I know a guy who refuses to kiss a girl unless he knows 100% that he won't get the cheek…so guess how often he actually makes out (hint: almost fucking never lol) I'll get the cheek a DOZEN times, it doesn't matter, she feels what you feel and the strongest frame always wins so as long as you just lol and don't make a big deal about it and continue the conversation like normal it's not a big deal to her either, it just shows intent on your end (which is GOOD and helps you NOT be the platonic chat friend) and by not running away she's subcommunicating "I'm attracted to you but that was a little fast for me…if I wasn't attracted I'd run away, but just back up a sec and make me laugh and let me get to know you a little more and then please try again because I WANT to do it I'm just not ready at this exact moment YET".

Julien's infield has him getting the cheek a bunch because he likes to go for the kiss as soon as he can. Mystery had some little "do you want to kiss me?" and "on a scale of 1 to 10 how good a kisser are you?" lines but I don't feel congruent using them (in my mind an older alpha male would just go for it VS making up an excuse/build-up). I usually use laser eye-contact and cut the space like Gambler/Liam do and just go for it as we're talking and pull away first and say "sorry, I slipped, so you were saying about your dog being sick–" like it's just a brief "there's too much sexual tension going on let's release some of it, ok now back to the conversation" moment and when she checks my subcomms to see if I'm nervous or worried or making a big deal of the kiss she sees that it's no big deal to me and feels comfortable about it.

Props to everyone going out. You guys have been stepping up in general the last few months and it's good to see the progress. It's Friday night with Valentine's Day right around the corner…get out there! Make it a goal to just have plans with a girl for V-Day. You have 3 days to pull it off (including ON V-Day, just insta-date a girl who's out by herself during the day or night, any girl out without a man around is single or she'd be with him so the entire bar will be a singles night on V-Day lol). If you fuck her, cool, but just set a nice simple achievable goal of having some kind of date plans with a girl you meet between reading this and V-Day…you're studying pickup, there's no reason you should spend V-Day alone just because you're single. ;)


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YaReally
on February 12th, 2016 at 6:03 am
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@Sentient
“Two that stand out (and for brevity of time today) are thinking the <25YO's have "daddy issues" and the part about the girl thinking he was either intelligent or rich… he missed those. It is not because of any so called daddy issue, and not because of how he is dressed that he therefore much be rich… Owen has gotten to the part of his life where he is exhibiting what I now call the Alpha Triad – passionate, dynamic and authentic traits."

I think they ALL have "daddy issues" in 2016 lol because a real "daddy" is so rare (an authoritative dominant alpha male they respect who disciplines them and leads them etc) in our feminized culture lol

They don't think he's rich because of his outfit, I pointed out the H&M thing just to stress that the girl KNOWS he's not rich and it doesn't matter for the looks-guys around here, but Tyler explains in the second half of his breakdown of the infield that girls think he's rich because of his confident subcomms that they think "well he's ugly so his confidence has to be based on having money or owning the bar or being a celebrity or SOMETHING, he couldn't just BE confident that doesn't make sense by society's value-system!"

Like he points out in the second half that it's his subcomms of being an old man that are doing the work for him, which is basically what your alpha triad stuff is saying. So he's fully aware of that and it's definitely something that comes with age/experience. The older I get the LESS I do in set because my subcomms that I didn't have in my 20s when I first started going out are doing a lot of the work for me. But I would put those subcomms down to field experience over age, a 40yo guy can be just as squirrely reactive indecisive etc around hot girls as a 20yo if he hasn't gone out much or was trapped in a shitty relationship for a bunch of years and is just getting back out there.

Girls NEED a man to lead them. Like Patrice O'Neal always talks about: "a girl without a man guiding her is a fucking MESS". It's not so much daddy issues as it is just, they don't have someoen playing that daddy role in their life, so when an older guy learning game and learning how to give off those subcomms and not take her seriously and cut through her shit-tests and doesn't react to her drama and scolds her for shit and dominates her physically etc comes along, it triggers that "I NEED this yin to my yang (or whatever) in my life, I'm a mess and my life is chaos and I need to be around this energy". But it's all just subcomms, I could spend 10 pages breaking down every little subcomm Tyler's doing in his infield in retarded detail and explain how to duplicate it etc but the more you go out the more you'll develop it because you'll interact with girls and BECOME immune to bullshit and BECOME more grounded and BECOME more certain of yourself and BECOME more entitled to be physical etc

Can't learn this shit from reading or dabbling with one foot out the door making excuses. Gotta get out there on the frontlines.

@scray
"if you can escalate at the right time, and moreover, if you can escalate just the right amount…."

Ya ideally you just do the minimum amount needed. A lot of guys overgame because they're waiting for a neon 100% perfect flashing green light giving them the "don't worry you won't get rejected it's impossible so go for it" signal. Whereas a lot of Naturals get laid a shitload because they act as soon as they see even the dim 10-watt tiny flicker of a green blip for a split-second, WITHIN that split-second they've already started pushing forward because they know and trust that they're going to get the full green light.

It's like Tim says at the start of this vid about "having a chat":

The problem is it can take a while (AND SHITLOADS OF FIELD EXPERIENCE FUCKING IT UP AND MISSING THEM, GO OUT IT'S FRIDAY) for guys who aren't used to women being "into" them (or are older and feeling insecure about their age or have lost their looks etc so they don't think they can get the same iois that they got when they were young badass players in their 20s)

@scray @forge the sky @culum struan @scribblerg @sentient @etc

"And that is because most men can’t recognize when to pull the trigger. For example, you meet a girl at a club and shake her hand, say ‘hey,’ and she smiles while giving you strong eye contact, ‘hey.’ Right there just kiss her.

Practice this move!

I want someone to have a FR where they try this out."

For anyone who needs a visual, see 48 seconds into this video, watch the kiss before you read my mini-breakdown:

First time someone watches it they may think "oh well he's a famous celebrity and good looking so of course that's what it was, whatever" and just brush it off as something they could never do.

But look at it over and over a few times and pay VERY close attention to Robbie's eyes, then watch it again looking at the girl's eyes. Then watch it again listening to what exactly he says as he takes her hand.

Notice anything?

You should if you've watched the Gambler and Liam Macrae and James Franco vids I always link about laser eye-contact and read the stuff I've written about how when you lock lasers with a girl the words stop mattering and kind of trail off and you both go into fully subcommunicating.

The second Robbie sees her he glances down then up to her eyes and then his eyes never leave hers and hers never leave his and the two of them lock eye-contact hardcore and as Robbie's words trail off "It's your..first……day………" as the lasers lock and they hit that subcomm mode. They don't take their eyes off eachother because it's like two magnets pulling toward eachother and it actually takes EFFORT to pull your eyes away. You'll see this a lot in good flirting scenes in movies where the person will turn their head away but their eyes will stay locked on till the last possible second.

A good example of this locked on head-turning thing is Jude Law in Alfie at 1:20 in this video (the whole triple-take (fast, then slow, then REALLY slow checkout) he does is mint, I use it especially when I first see a girl that shows up for a Day2 or whatever where I want to set a sexual tone):

Note how Jude's eyes linger as he starts to turn his head. You'll understand that magnet feeling when you pull lasers off and hit that lock point. Check my archives for shit on it.

Back to the Robbie clip, because he has lasers locked he knows they can both feel sexual tension rising and since he has compliance with the hand-holding etc, as a Natural in his prime back then, he instinctively knows to just say some nonsense and then escalate on it like scray is talking about. Often I'll throw some random words in there to basically just distract her forebrain so I can escalate and give her subbrain what it wants…vs dead silence where her forebrain is more likely to put up some "woah hey we can't!!" ASD. By just saying ANYTHING literally I've said total nonsense like "oh that's weird have you seen the thing with the stuff…" and let each word just get lower and trail off mid-sentence as I cut the space moving in to kiss her in one smooth motion with no hesitation, just assuming she'll be into it based on all the signals I've picked up.

To anyone else, like the interviewer guy or the audience it's like "holy shit where did that come from, oh that cheeky Robbie!!", but when you know what to look for that kiss makes complete sense and follows principles you've read about in my archives and seen broken down in those Gambler/Liam vids. There's no magic going on here, you don't have to be some rockstar, it's just a Natural picking up on signals and escalating before other people even NOTICE the windows are open.

Can you pick up on these signals in realtime in real life? Sure, I can, and I was a complete social dunce till I found PUA in my mid-20s. But it requires GOING OUT and getting into a lot of interactions with women and observing a lot of other people's interactions and fucking it up and missing windows and losing lays and girls you could've have if your brain had been a little sharper and a little faster. But that's the game. πŸ™‚ Over time you get better at it until you can see a clip like this Robbie kiss or Tyler/Julien infield and just pick up all the subcomms as they're happening and "get it".

At the start it can help to just go for it and see what happens and learn from there…there's no way to learn without fucking up. That's why you don't shit where you eat, you go to nightclubs and bars and shit where there's a lot of women who won't remember you and you can try this stuff out and if a girl is freaked out no biggie apologize or run away and she probably won't remember you or you may never see her again…vs if you tried it on a co-worker or social circle lol

"Another thing guys do is get butthurt with madonna/whore complexes. Holy shit this is a big one. They’ll get some girl who is DTF and available for them, and they just are so FUCKED UP INTERNALLY that they believe that only a sloooooot could like them so much."

lol ya I've known a bunch of guys who want a girl but if she's too forward then they're like "nooo this one is a slut I don't want a sluuuut, I just want a good girl that puts out right away (????)" lol and they freeze up or eject or don't pull the trigger etc. This kind of thing is why I keep talking about how irrelevant those good-looking dudes at the bar are. Throw girls at them and WATCH them and see what happens. Introduce them to random girls, girls who are checking them OUT even and you'll see some of the most embarrassing throwing away of silver platter poon you can imagine. It's hilarious, because everyone thinks those guys will get laid no problem every time especially if the girl is attracted to them when she's introduced or is forward etc and it's like sorry it just doesn't play out that way in real life most of the time. In real life most of those guys choke when a hot girl is staring them down, and end up getting drunk and fucking a Tinder 6 that they feel more entitled to get (because despite their looks their internals are all fucked up (and that's often (but not always) part of WHY they focus so hard on improving their looks, BECAUSE they don't feel inherently entitled to hot girls)).

@Forge the sky
"In the past few weeks I’ve been having a lot of facepalm moments – starting to realize all sorts of openings are there that I never noticed before, but just a bit too late."

Welcome to the game. πŸ˜‰ That's the learning process. Missing window after window until you start noticing them and still missing them till you start acting on them and then fucking them up until you start acting on them and not fucking them up but then missing the NEXT window, etc etc until you go crazy or keep at it and keep going out and keep getting field reference experiences of these windows and get to where you see (and expect) the windows and pounce on them immediately and smoothly and are ready for the next window.

This is why we force guys to go out. You CAN'T learn these things reading shit on the internet, you have to experience them and FEEL the sting of missing windows and FEEL the facepalm of "oh shit, she was BLATANTLY throwing herself at me and I missed it DURRRR" etc

And if you take time off the game (like you LTR up and stop going out and flirting with girls wherever you go), your brain will stop noticing the windows etc and you'll find yourself in a pain period where your brain has to get back in shape, just like if you took time off the gym the first week/month would be the hardest as you get your body used to working out again.

"You have any more ideas for ways to bump myself out of me making everything platonic?"

Watch/read the shit I linked you fucker lol The answers are sitting right there, combined with the field waiting for you to test it all out. πŸ™‚

@10×10 @scribblerg
"If you want game resources for that, I wouldn’t recommend YaReally. He’s somewhat infantile."

lol

"I would take a Wayne Elise weekend conversation camp (Juggler of PUA fame)"

Highly recommend checking out Juggler Method, I've linked it a few times. Great stuff for basic deep conversational skills and building rapport/comfort. This should be general reading for anyone trying to improve their social skills regardless of whether it's to get laid or network or just mingle in social circles etc I wouldn't take a course though, just grab his PDF, you'll figure out the rest.

"or I would take a James MacLane (socialcoach.com) bootcamp"

Personally I'm not a big fan of his vibe (he seems twitchy and I don't like his hunched body language etc), but he's got a lot of stuff on YouTube so hey check it out and see if it helps you, but from what I've glimpsed I haven't seen him teach anything the usual suspects don't teach. If he's got something specific that he teaches really well you should link it. All I've really seen from him is basic conversation and kino.

"I’m mid 40s but I’ve spent the money on both of those and I find that these guys present seduction / charism arts in a mature way which you won’t find basically anywhere else."

Are you fucking the <25yo hotties with your "mature way"? Or are you on Tinder/OKCupid and/or taking home 30+yo chicks? I'm mid-30s and just sent a new 23yo home before I came on here to check up on the Roosh drama before I crash for sleep and I'll be out with a buddy my age helping him step up to make out with <25yos at a kiddie nightclub tonight lol

When guys say this "mature way" shit (which says right off the bat that they haven't actually watched any of the low-energy infield videos I've recommended), it's usually code for: "I want to go stand around trying to be cool James Bond because I'm a mature man who doesn't know how to loosen up and have fun, and in-field I usually end up just standing around looking cool and telling my buddies how none of the girls here are good enough or whatever other rationalizations I have to make to avoid approaching and expressing some personality, and I spend most of my interactions just focused on rapport/comfort which works great on older chicks but I can't for the life of me keep the attention of a hot <25yo who's out having a fun night out at the bar, and I'll hate on younger pickup guys because I haven't ACTUALLY watched videos like Tyler's "picking up an alpha female" infield where he's just leaning against a bar completely chill talking to the girl or Julien's SHIFT infield where he's pretty laid back and instead I think PUA is still running up high-fiving everyone and being a dancing monkey and I don't have the creative capacity to understand how you can give off a fun low-energy vibe without being a crazy dancing monkey"

But hey what do I know, I'm just some infantile keyboard jockey. πŸ™‚

Like Tyler says, you can look at having fun infield and say "I'm too mature to do that", but we view it as making a mature decision to decide to have fun and not take ourselves so seriously out there. You don't have to be a crazy wild high-energy dancing monkey…grab Julien's SHIFT infield and watch the nightclub videos and at the start of one of them he talks about high ENERGY versus high INTENSITY.

high-energy + high-intensity = what most people think PUA is, crazy dancing monkey shit (and to be fair early PUA game WAS that lol), Stifler from American Pie basically, guys in their 20s and early 30s will often use this because they naturally have the high-energy for it

high-energy + low-intensity = gay BFF vibe, no sexual intent behind it…this is what most guys learning PUA will do for the first looooong while where they're keeping a girl's attention but it's all platonic no sexual tension in the interaction

low-energy + low-intensity = boring guy, invisible to girls basically, the generic AFC chode at the bar

LOW-ENERGY + HIGH-INTENSITY = this is what you want to shoot when you hit your 30s and beyond…this is that rock solid confidence and sexual intent with laser eye-contact etc that's up in her space and she can't ignore it, but isn't crazy wild spin-hugs and high-fives, it's just a really grounded vibe. This is what I use.

Here's Tyler using low-energy + high-intensity at 2:00, this is the type of game an "old mature man" can run, very low-energy and chill but he's pushing the interaction forward:

And at 54 seconds into this, you can't even hear what they're saying but Tyler's body-language is chill and low energy, nothing a "mature older man" can't do, no crazy spin-hugs and high-fives here:

First minute of this video, again low-energy but pushing things forward:

"Most PUA stuff is directed at men in their 20s and early 30s and as such is unrelateable to older men."

No, most older men are caught up in social conditioning that tells them they have to be boring as fuck and they can't relate to PUA stuff that doesn't tell them "go ahead and just be James Bond, some girl will approach you and you can buy her a drink and play Sugardaddy game" which is what they want to hear even though usually the ACTUAL results they're getting aren't what they were hoping for…and they don't actually LOOK at PUA stuff and realize "oh, they don't just teach crazy spin-hug high-five dancing monkey game like I thought"

"YaReally may be giving the nuts and bolts of PUA but its hard to get this stuff from on-line. The days of the internet PUAs is coming to an end. Live coaching and video instruction is vastly superior to the internet FR stuff. If you have the money spend it."

Video is the best because it's free lol There's no reason for a guy to pay to learn pickup, even if you don't want to torrent the products there's enough guys teaching the same shit for free with slightly different terminology etc all over YouTube to not need to pay for the information. The rest is just GOING OUT and applying it and learning what works and how to calibrate infield.

If you have MASSIVE sticking points, writing FRs will usually help us narrow down what your problems are after you write a handful of them and we can look for patterns. Most guys who are frustrated with their progress don't write FRs lol

If you've been writing FRs and are STILL having trouble after like a year of going out, THEN consider paying a coach to take you infield and point out what you're doing wrong and how to fix it etc because they can usually spot problems quickly.

But make a go of it on your own first, you can make a shitload of progress without any "formal" training. None of us had bootcamps when PUA was first being figured out, we just went out a shitload, and I've never taken a bootcamp or paid $ for a product.

The reality is if you're starting to learn the game at like 40+, and you go to a coach on day one, sure he'll be able to help you because you are doing 10000000 fucking things wrong at that stage lol…things that you WOULD'VE fixed on your own if you had just done your reading/watching, gone out infield, and done your Field Reports. Go to a coach when you have sticking points that NO ONE online can help you with and you've written a bunch of FRs and gotten to where you aren't going to hear a coach say "make eye contact" "use breaking rapport tonality" "speak louder" "don't fall for shit-tests" "don't fall into her frame" etc.

@hank
"how do you get the motivation to go out when you know there won”t be any girls there you are attracted to?"

Sacrifice whatever you have to sacrifice to move to where there will be girls you're attracted to. Unless you don't want it bad enough yet. Or learn to have fun socializing in general, with everyone, men and women, ugly and attractive, and build social circles, network, challenge yourself to try new things, etc

If you have super high standards to where you need to be in like, LA private parties or Vegas high-end venues etc and you're just starting out then you gotta ask yourself how you're going to get into those circles when you aren't even motivated to have fun talking to normal people and socializing (aka giving value to people around you).

Like Julien says: you should be able to have fun in a bar full of ugly girls that you would never in a million years fuck, or dudes lol Like you should be learning how to enjoy the game to where you would still have a fun night in those circumstances. If those people are all beneath you, well, maybe you're beneath the type of girls and social circles you DO want to be in. Learn to ENJOY giving value in general.

@Culum
"but sexualizing VERBALLY is really getting pretty easy now – it’s a certain knack that comes with practice – if you do it for a while (not that long) you can twist pretty much anything to get a sexual angle to it.."

With the chick I just sent home, the first half of our interaction I was inside my head from work etc so I wasn't really sexualizing anything and we had a good vibe but it felt platonic, even making good eye-contact. If I had kept that up she'd have had a "fun chat" but gotten bored and left at some point. I realized I was fucking up so I started making a purposeful effort to start misinterpreting things playfully sexual and using innuendo etc plus the eye-contact, FINALLY shit clicked and we were into a sexual vibe and it was easy from there.

It's a thing you have to purposely learn to do and work on. I used to be a super asexual AFC chode that was scared to even say words like pussy fuck sex etc outloud, let alone to girls I had just met lol Gotta work on it and be okay with the reality that you'll probably miscalibrate and fuck it up here and there and weird some people out before you get a handle on it…which again is why we send guys to environments with lots of girls in one place.

"But just be careful you don’t use your preferences and standards as a buffer to not approach or leave your comfort zone"

This. You don't have to fuck every girl you flirt with. Just use them for practice. And if you hate them all, move. Tyler slept on a mattress in a closet to be able to sarge in Hollywood. If you want it bad enough you'll figure out a way and make the sacrifices.

@Sentient
"That is what to do if she doesn’t want it."

I like Julien's PIMP infield (the vid I linked earlier with the cougar in the stacking devalidation section) where he calls her out for ruining the kiss, ruining a romantic movie moment, making fun of her being the worst kisser in the bar, etc etc playfully. Regardless of how you handle it, if you get resistance CALIBRATE (like Tyler explains in his street pickup infield I linked earlier) and go back to the level of escalation she was comfortable with and chill there while you continue to game and then escalate again once her ASD has settled down and she's back into attraction.

It's VERY COMMON to get the cheek on your first kiss attempt. It's FINE. I know a guy who refuses to kiss a girl unless he knows 100% that he won't get the cheek…so guess how often he actually makes out (hint: almost fucking never lol) I'll get the cheek a DOZEN times, it doesn't matter, she feels what you feel and the strongest frame always wins so as long as you just lol and don't make a big deal about it and continue the conversation like normal it's not a big deal to her either, it just shows intent on your end (which is GOOD and helps you NOT be the platonic chat friend) and by not running away she's subcommunicating "I'm attracted to you but that was a little fast for me…if I wasn't attracted I'd run away, but just back up a sec and make me laugh and let me get to know you a little more and then please try again because I WANT to do it I'm just not ready at this exact moment YET".

Julien's infield has him getting the cheek a bunch because he likes to go for the kiss as soon as he can. Mystery had some little "do you want to kiss me?" and "on a scale of 1 to 10 how good a kisser are you?" lines but I don't feel congruent using them (in my mind an older alpha male would just go for it VS making up an excuse/build-up). I usually use laser eye-contact and cut the space like Gambler/Liam do and just go for it as we're talking and pull away first and say "sorry, I slipped, so you were saying about your dog being sick–" like it's just a brief "there's too much sexual tension going on let's release some of it, ok now back to the conversation" moment and when she checks my subcomms to see if I'm nervous or worried or making a big deal of the kiss she sees that it's no big deal to me and feels comfortable about it.

Props to everyone going out. You guys have been stepping up in general the last few months and it's good to see the progress. It's Friday night with Valentine's Day right around the corner…get out there! Make it a goal to just have plans with a girl for V-Day. You have 3 days to pull it off (including ON V-Day, just insta-date a girl who's out by herself during the day or night, any girl out without a man around is single or she'd be with him so the entire bar will be a singles night on V-Day lol). If you fuck her, cool, but just set a nice simple achievable goal of having some kind of date plans with a girl you meet between reading this and V-Day…you're studying pickup, there's no reason you should spend V-Day alone just because you're single. πŸ˜‰


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on February 13th, 2016 at 8:23 am
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Sorry to interrupt the market economics discussion, buuuuuut:

@Truman
“you’ve mentioned a video before called squirting 101, is it this one?”

No it’s legitimately called Squirting 101 lol The vid you linked is actually a dude from the oldschool PUA community (Ideagasms, incase the vid link ever stops working and someone sees this in my archive). That one is good to watch too though, just to fully understand 1) a lot of it is mental, the more relaxed and turned on and non-judged she feels the better she’ll be able to squirt and 2) how it can look if you do it right (aka that chick isn’t acting, I’ve made girls do that crazy spasm shit, it’s cute as fuck when they can’t stop their legs from randomly twitching for like half an hour afterward while we cuddle lol)

Usually with a One Night Stand time is limited so I have to streamline it and can get them to squirt enough that they’re like “wtf WAS that?? I didn’t know I could DO that” (literal quote from the chick from the other night) and want to come back for more and then I’ll schedule a full evening to play so I can spend way more time on foreplay…the more foreplay/teasing/etc you do, the more intense their squirting orgasm (and the more they’ll gush).

A lot of guys (AND girls) think squirting is a myth or something only certain girls can do but I’ve met VERY few girls who can’t squirt and even then 1) it still feels good/different to them to have that specific g-spot massaged/fingered properly and isn’t something a lot of guys do so it’s a new experience for her and 2) if I had more time with them I’m sure they would be able to squirt, usually those are the cases where we don’t have much time. It would surprise me if ANY girl could go through the long slow massage that chick in the video you linked goes through and doesn’t squirt because as mystical and shit as the Ideagasms guy makes that massage seem, ultimately that massage is just a shitload of foreplay (touching near erogenous zones without quite touching the good spots to build up sexual tension etc).

Here’s the specific video I recommend, do what you need to to find a copy:

NSFW AS FUCK: http://www.adultempire.com/unlimited/634894/squirting-101-vol-1-streaming-video.html

There’s a clip that’s easy to find but is missing the second half of it where the guy make some asian chick (I think) squirt super quickly in just a few seconds that’s worth watching because it reinforces the technique stuff he’s describing in this first half:

NSFW AS FUCK: http://www.xvideos.com/video1134846/cytherea_and_friends_s101

It’s important to watch that whole clip, don’t skip through it. There are a lot of little things in there that are worth paying attention to and the instructor teaches throughout and hearing the girl’s describing the feelings and stuff is important. The guy with the hat and wrist-band is the guy who knows his shit, pay attention to the Spider-Man hand/finger motion he describes. There’s a few good scenes somewhere in there where other dudes are TRYING to get a girl to squirt with the wrong finger/hand motion (up and down instead of the pulling/lifting motion etc) and you can see the guy getting frustrated with the girl as if it’s HER fault she isn’t squirting or HER pussy that’s broken or some shit, or like the girl squirts but it’s minor compared to when the instructor guy does it and blows their mind. This is what most guys are like in bed lol they just don’t understand female bodies. The dude that gets frustrated is way better looking than me, but that chick would come back to me to fuck if she had to choose between us because I can do what the instructor guy does. Look how fast she squirts when he does it PROPERLY.

I’ve met a few chicks that are almost as epic as Cytherea’s squirting in this which will blow your mind. A few of them have just had some fluke of genetics where they happen to squirt very easily (Cytherea is probably one of these. I had one chick who would soak my mattress so bad I’d have to let it dry out for a couple days before I could sleep on it and she had to constantly drink water to rehydrate because even masturbating she’d squirt a lot lol), and some are just normal squirters but we had a TON of build-up (like teasing her all week without letting her orgasm etc). In Cytherea’s interview after she mentions that she’s been building it up all day. The more build-up of sexual teasing and keeping her on the edge (or orgasming a few times), the better. Squirting from fucking them is harder than using your hand because it’s trickier to hit the right spot the right way, but if you want to increase the odds, build her up with lots of teasing/foreplay, get her off a couple of times with oral and then get her to the edge of another orgasm, massage her g-spot without actually making her squirt and THEN do P in V. It would be extremely rare (if not impossible unless she’s genetically gifted) to be able to just take a girl’s clothes off and go right to P in V and have her squirt.

The tl;dr notes on fast squirting for One Night Stands (or Same Night Lays, whatever)…my Valentine’s Gift to all:

1) try to get as much foreplay as you can before you get to the bedroom, like tease her at the bar and shit, get her good and turned on…remember circling AROUND the sweet spots builds better sexual tension for her than going right for them. Like run your fingers up her inner thigh and circle around the mound of her pussy instead of touching her clit. Shit will drive them crazy and the more foreplay the more their g-spot swells and fills with fluid which means it’s going to be a better orgasm

2) I go down on them right away (from kissing slowly work my way down their bodies (foreplay, remember) kissing nibbling etc to their hips and then I’ll skip down to their lower leg and slowly kiss/nibble/lick my way up to their crotch but then stop before I get to it and go to their other lower leg and do the same thing, and then I’ll do stuff like trace my way slowly along their pantylines and graze over their mound etc, do slow circles around, kiss/nibble my way up/down each pussy lip without quite touching their clit, circle their clit and just graze over it now and then etc When I finally do focus on the clit they’re so built up that making them come from licking is pretty easy lol And even then I’ll sometimes keep them on the edge and then lick super slow or lick really slow through the orgasm etc just to really drive them crazy. This is usually like, 15-20 minutes total maybe

3) I’ll get them off at least one, but ideally two or three times with oral like that before I mess with the g-spot. Think of the squirting stuff as a topper, like icing on the cake…when you have them orgasmed out to where they’re “done” and throwing in the towel, THAT’S when I like I kiss my way back up and wrap an arm under their head to support my body and let me whisper in their ear, and then I’ll tell them to just relax and that we’re going to do something hot and when they feel it build up just push it out don’t worry about the mess I think it’s sexy etc etc as I slide my fingers into position.

4) A lot of girls will be embarrassed/nervous because they don’t even understand what’s going on and aren’t sure if it’s pee or what and since they’ve just met you they don’t want to obliterate your bed esp since they just met you, so I find “coaching” them through it with the whispering “it’s so sexy, I love it, I want you to soak my hand, you’re going to feel so fucking good” etc helps their mind relax and not worry about being judged and they can let go more

5) As they start to squirt I keep coaching them telling them it’s so fucking hot and to push it all out and kiss their neck etc while they flail and grab at me lol

6) There’s no real “end” to a squirting orgasm, like a normal one usually the girl cums and then goes into chill mode and her pussy needs recovery time for a bit, like you can TELL when the girl “orgasms”, but squirting is just kind of as long as you’re doing the finger motion to that spot, she’ll keep feeling good lol BUT, her pussy/body DOES need a break, so usually I’ll do the first one for like 10 seconds (like the instructor in that video) and then slide my fingers out and rub the mess around her thighs/pussy/etc (bring my fingers up to let her lick them clean etc) while I tell her how hot that was. Usually she won’t be able to say much at that point.

7) Now the fun thing about squirting is they can KEEP doing it lol They have no idea because normal orgasms usually aren’t like that. So I’ll give it like 20-30 seconds and let her just recover and then whisper “the fun part about squirting…is that you can do it again ;)” as I slide my fingers in and start doing the motion again, but I’ll do it harder and again for about 10-15 seconds then let her recover

8) Usually she’s pretty spent by that point and not forming sentences besides trying to mumble out a “what did you DO to me omg” lol But I’ll say “one more time, get ready…” as I slide my fingers in. I find if I don’t say “one more time”, they sometimes worry that I’m going to just keep going forever and they’ll try to pull the plug, but when you say it’s just ONE more time they’ll rally up for one more round which will give them an epic experience. This last one I’ll do as hard as I can (literally trying to lift her up off the bed by her g-spot with that finger/arm motion) and I’ll go a bit longer like 30 seconds and then pull out

9) By that point she’s basically done and in full zombie trance mode where she has no idea wtf is going on anymore she’s just totally lost in bliss. That’s when I’ll just whisper “shhh it’s okay just relax, come here” and pull her into me to cuddle and pull a blanket up on us and just let her cuddle and quiver and shake for a while while I whisper encouragement to her about how hot that was and how good she did and stroke her hair/back/arms/etc and let her pass out for a nap if she needs to.

10) Your bed and depending on the girl stuff in the vicinity OF your bed will be DRENCHED. Expect it. I have plastic sheets under my fabric sheets usually lol When the session is done there’s going to be a massive super ice cold wet patch taking up most of the bottom half of the bed where she was and she’s not going to want to lay in that (and neither are you) so have some towels nearby you can slide under her afterward (or before I guess, tho that ruins the surprise of what’s going to happen and can be weird with a first-time ONS type chick like “hey lemme put this towel under your ass” like you’re some weird germophobe lol), and make sure your blanket/pillows/etc aren’t in the line of fire so you can pull them up onto her (she’s going to be soaked and so will you and it’s going to turn cold as fuck so she’s going to need to snuggle up and get warm as she recovers)

11) You get bonus points if you whisper “that was YaReally hot” in her ear instead of “that was really hot” ;) lol

This whole session (minus the buildup at the bar or whatever before we get back to my place and onto my bed) takes like an hour-ish including foreplay ON the bed with our clothes still on. I love getting chicks off, it’s a power rush to see them lose control and know it’s all me doing it to them and basically in control of their bodies lol

You may be asking “but then you don’t get head OR fucked, wtf??” And that’s true, so if I’m jonesing I’ll get them to get me off first (though the first time we hook up (ONS, SNL, etc) a lot of them hesitate to finish me because they think we’re doing P in V and don’t realize they’re about to have this whole insane orgasmic experience, so usually I just won’t even bother with me, like I’ll go from making out foreplay to going down on them to making them squirt). But even if they don’t touch my dick because they’re too exhausted after all this to do it, when they recover and wake up they make up for it in SPADES ;) lol They’ll bust out their A-game BJ skills and if we do P in V it’ll feel a million times better to them because their pussy has been through so much orgasmic bliss.

But either way I don’t even care since my goal is having them come back for more so I have regular fuckbuddies. With an ONS I’ll push for a BJ and/or sex when she wakes up, but I tend to go for SNLs that I convert to FBs instead of one and done ONS girls. So if it’s an SNL that I want to make an FB, if she passes out from the whole session, I’ll just nap along with her and if we don’t get around to me that session it’s fine because she feels bad and will want to make it up to me next time if she doesn’t when she wakes up, and giving her that experience VS just standard P in V sex that she can get from any guy…well, like I say, they don’t come back to me for my rippling 6-pack abs and garage full of Lambourghinis ;)

Next time we hookup I’ll usually try to arrange it for earlier in the evening so we have all night, plenty of time to do a more involved session and get myself taken care of and/or P in V multiple times etc just alternating between orgasms and napping all evening/night lol

So there you go, the YaReally squirting method lol Go forth and spread the love to your girls.

P.S. Disclaimer before the girls jump in: yes some girls just want to get pounded and yes sometimes a quickie or jumping right to P in V can be the way to go and yes I get it for some of you no guy has ever made you cum from oral bla bla bla lol I’m not saying do this for EVERY session, but it’s a great way to stand out from the pack and make sure she comes back for a 2nd session where you can do whatever. This tool should be in a PUA’s sexxin toolbox if he’s going to devote a solid portion of his life to banging girls…like, of ANY guys that should know a bunch of ways to get girls off and give them epic orgasmic experiences, PUAs should be at the top of that list lol)

P.P.S. also combine this squirting shit with other stuff like bondage, toys, exhibitionism, etc for extra fun lol

P.P.P.S. and look into the “deep spot” and “A-spot”, they don’t function the same way as the g-spot but they’re spots that most girls haven’t felt before, putting some pressure on them while she’s orgasming from oral etc can be a new sensation to her…from what they tell me the deep spot feels kind of like anal without actually involving anal and the a-spot just feels “different” in a good way when they’re turned on…I use both towards the edge of an orgasm so I send them over the edge while putting pressure or massaging one but tbh I haven’t experimented a ton with them yet because the g-spot is more fun to me lol

P.P.P.P.S. the girl from the other night that I did this to just txted me to see if I’m free tonight ;) lol She’s a fun chick and I’m psyched to hook up again but I don’t cancel a sarging night for sex, esp with a wingman that needs me…another benefit of this whole thing is that the stuff I did to her gives me the leverage to have her meet up with me at last call or another more convenient night aka I get to dictate the schedule since she knows it’s worth it VS if I was just offering a standard sexual experience she can get from any guy


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YaReally
on February 13th, 2016 at 8:23 am
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Sorry to interrupt the market economics discussion, buuuuuut:

@Truman
“you’ve mentioned a video before called squirting 101, is it this one?”

No it’s legitimately called Squirting 101 lol The vid you linked is actually a dude from the oldschool PUA community (Ideagasms, incase the vid link ever stops working and someone sees this in my archive). That one is good to watch too though, just to fully understand 1) a lot of it is mental, the more relaxed and turned on and non-judged she feels the better she’ll be able to squirt and 2) how it can look if you do it right (aka that chick isn’t acting, I’ve made girls do that crazy spasm shit, it’s cute as fuck when they can’t stop their legs from randomly twitching for like half an hour afterward while we cuddle lol)

Usually with a One Night Stand time is limited so I have to streamline it and can get them to squirt enough that they’re like “wtf WAS that?? I didn’t know I could DO that” (literal quote from the chick from the other night) and want to come back for more and then I’ll schedule a full evening to play so I can spend way more time on foreplay…the more foreplay/teasing/etc you do, the more intense their squirting orgasm (and the more they’ll gush).

A lot of guys (AND girls) think squirting is a myth or something only certain girls can do but I’ve met VERY few girls who can’t squirt and even then 1) it still feels good/different to them to have that specific g-spot massaged/fingered properly and isn’t something a lot of guys do so it’s a new experience for her and 2) if I had more time with them I’m sure they would be able to squirt, usually those are the cases where we don’t have much time. It would surprise me if ANY girl could go through the long slow massage that chick in the video you linked goes through and doesn’t squirt because as mystical and shit as the Ideagasms guy makes that massage seem, ultimately that massage is just a shitload of foreplay (touching near erogenous zones without quite touching the good spots to build up sexual tension etc).

Here’s the specific video I recommend, do what you need to to find a copy:

NSFW AS FUCK: http://www.adultempire.com/unlimited/634894/squirting-101-vol-1-streaming-video.html

There’s a clip that’s easy to find but is missing the second half of it where the guy make some asian chick (I think) squirt super quickly in just a few seconds that’s worth watching because it reinforces the technique stuff he’s describing in this first half:

NSFW AS FUCK: http://www.xvideos.com/video1134846/cytherea_and_friends_s101

It’s important to watch that whole clip, don’t skip through it. There are a lot of little things in there that are worth paying attention to and the instructor teaches throughout and hearing the girl’s describing the feelings and stuff is important. The guy with the hat and wrist-band is the guy who knows his shit, pay attention to the Spider-Man hand/finger motion he describes. There’s a few good scenes somewhere in there where other dudes are TRYING to get a girl to squirt with the wrong finger/hand motion (up and down instead of the pulling/lifting motion etc) and you can see the guy getting frustrated with the girl as if it’s HER fault she isn’t squirting or HER pussy that’s broken or some shit, or like the girl squirts but it’s minor compared to when the instructor guy does it and blows their mind. This is what most guys are like in bed lol they just don’t understand female bodies. The dude that gets frustrated is way better looking than me, but that chick would come back to me to fuck if she had to choose between us because I can do what the instructor guy does. Look how fast she squirts when he does it PROPERLY.

I’ve met a few chicks that are almost as epic as Cytherea’s squirting in this which will blow your mind. A few of them have just had some fluke of genetics where they happen to squirt very easily (Cytherea is probably one of these. I had one chick who would soak my mattress so bad I’d have to let it dry out for a couple days before I could sleep on it and she had to constantly drink water to rehydrate because even masturbating she’d squirt a lot lol), and some are just normal squirters but we had a TON of build-up (like teasing her all week without letting her orgasm etc). In Cytherea’s interview after she mentions that she’s been building it up all day. The more build-up of sexual teasing and keeping her on the edge (or orgasming a few times), the better. Squirting from fucking them is harder than using your hand because it’s trickier to hit the right spot the right way, but if you want to increase the odds, build her up with lots of teasing/foreplay, get her off a couple of times with oral and then get her to the edge of another orgasm, massage her g-spot without actually making her squirt and THEN do P in V. It would be extremely rare (if not impossible unless she’s genetically gifted) to be able to just take a girl’s clothes off and go right to P in V and have her squirt.

The tl;dr notes on fast squirting for One Night Stands (or Same Night Lays, whatever)…my Valentine’s Gift to all:

1) try to get as much foreplay as you can before you get to the bedroom, like tease her at the bar and shit, get her good and turned on…remember circling AROUND the sweet spots builds better sexual tension for her than going right for them. Like run your fingers up her inner thigh and circle around the mound of her pussy instead of touching her clit. Shit will drive them crazy and the more foreplay the more their g-spot swells and fills with fluid which means it’s going to be a better orgasm

2) I go down on them right away (from kissing slowly work my way down their bodies (foreplay, remember) kissing nibbling etc to their hips and then I’ll skip down to their lower leg and slowly kiss/nibble/lick my way up to their crotch but then stop before I get to it and go to their other lower leg and do the same thing, and then I’ll do stuff like trace my way slowly along their pantylines and graze over their mound etc, do slow circles around, kiss/nibble my way up/down each pussy lip without quite touching their clit, circle their clit and just graze over it now and then etc When I finally do focus on the clit they’re so built up that making them come from licking is pretty easy lol And even then I’ll sometimes keep them on the edge and then lick super slow or lick really slow through the orgasm etc just to really drive them crazy. This is usually like, 15-20 minutes total maybe

3) I’ll get them off at least one, but ideally two or three times with oral like that before I mess with the g-spot. Think of the squirting stuff as a topper, like icing on the cake…when you have them orgasmed out to where they’re “done” and throwing in the towel, THAT’S when I like I kiss my way back up and wrap an arm under their head to support my body and let me whisper in their ear, and then I’ll tell them to just relax and that we’re going to do something hot and when they feel it build up just push it out don’t worry about the mess I think it’s sexy etc etc as I slide my fingers into position.

4) A lot of girls will be embarrassed/nervous because they don’t even understand what’s going on and aren’t sure if it’s pee or what and since they’ve just met you they don’t want to obliterate your bed esp since they just met you, so I find “coaching” them through it with the whispering “it’s so sexy, I love it, I want you to soak my hand, you’re going to feel so fucking good” etc helps their mind relax and not worry about being judged and they can let go more

5) As they start to squirt I keep coaching them telling them it’s so fucking hot and to push it all out and kiss their neck etc while they flail and grab at me lol

6) There’s no real “end” to a squirting orgasm, like a normal one usually the girl cums and then goes into chill mode and her pussy needs recovery time for a bit, like you can TELL when the girl “orgasms”, but squirting is just kind of as long as you’re doing the finger motion to that spot, she’ll keep feeling good lol BUT, her pussy/body DOES need a break, so usually I’ll do the first one for like 10 seconds (like the instructor in that video) and then slide my fingers out and rub the mess around her thighs/pussy/etc (bring my fingers up to let her lick them clean etc) while I tell her how hot that was. Usually she won’t be able to say much at that point.

7) Now the fun thing about squirting is they can KEEP doing it lol They have no idea because normal orgasms usually aren’t like that. So I’ll give it like 20-30 seconds and let her just recover and then whisper “the fun part about squirting…is that you can do it again ;)” as I slide my fingers in and start doing the motion again, but I’ll do it harder and again for about 10-15 seconds then let her recover

8) Usually she’s pretty spent by that point and not forming sentences besides trying to mumble out a “what did you DO to me omg” lol But I’ll say “one more time, get ready…” as I slide my fingers in. I find if I don’t say “one more time”, they sometimes worry that I’m going to just keep going forever and they’ll try to pull the plug, but when you say it’s just ONE more time they’ll rally up for one more round which will give them an epic experience. This last one I’ll do as hard as I can (literally trying to lift her up off the bed by her g-spot with that finger/arm motion) and I’ll go a bit longer like 30 seconds and then pull out

9) By that point she’s basically done and in full zombie trance mode where she has no idea wtf is going on anymore she’s just totally lost in bliss. That’s when I’ll just whisper “shhh it’s okay just relax, come here” and pull her into me to cuddle and pull a blanket up on us and just let her cuddle and quiver and shake for a while while I whisper encouragement to her about how hot that was and how good she did and stroke her hair/back/arms/etc and let her pass out for a nap if she needs to.

10) Your bed and depending on the girl stuff in the vicinity OF your bed will be DRENCHED. Expect it. I have plastic sheets under my fabric sheets usually lol When the session is done there’s going to be a massive super ice cold wet patch taking up most of the bottom half of the bed where she was and she’s not going to want to lay in that (and neither are you) so have some towels nearby you can slide under her afterward (or before I guess, tho that ruins the surprise of what’s going to happen and can be weird with a first-time ONS type chick like “hey lemme put this towel under your ass” like you’re some weird germophobe lol), and make sure your blanket/pillows/etc aren’t in the line of fire so you can pull them up onto her (she’s going to be soaked and so will you and it’s going to turn cold as fuck so she’s going to need to snuggle up and get warm as she recovers)

11) You get bonus points if you whisper “that was YaReally hot” in her ear instead of “that was really hot”πŸ˜‰ lol

This whole session (minus the buildup at the bar or whatever before we get back to my place and onto my bed) takes like an hour-ish including foreplay ON the bed with our clothes still on. I love getting chicks off, it’s a power rush to see them lose control and know it’s all me doing it to them and basically in control of their bodies lol

You may be asking “but then you don’t get head OR fucked, wtf??” And that’s true, so if I’m jonesing I’ll get them to get me off first (though the first time we hook up (ONS, SNL, etc) a lot of them hesitate to finish me because they think we’re doing P in V and don’t realize they’re about to have this whole insane orgasmic experience, so usually I just won’t even bother with me, like I’ll go from making out foreplay to going down on them to making them squirt). But even if they don’t touch my dick because they’re too exhausted after all this to do it, when they recover and wake up they make up for it in SPADESπŸ˜‰ lol They’ll bust out their A-game BJ skills and if we do P in V it’ll feel a million times better to them because their pussy has been through so much orgasmic bliss.

But either way I don’t even care since my goal is having them come back for more so I have regular fuckbuddies. With an ONS I’ll push for a BJ and/or sex when she wakes up, but I tend to go for SNLs that I convert to FBs instead of one and done ONS girls. So if it’s an SNL that I want to make an FB, if she passes out from the whole session, I’ll just nap along with her and if we don’t get around to me that session it’s fine because she feels bad and will want to make it up to me next time if she doesn’t when she wakes up, and giving her that experience VS just standard P in V sex that she can get from any guy…well, like I say, they don’t come back to me for my rippling 6-pack abs and garage full of LambourghinisπŸ˜‰

Next time we hookup I’ll usually try to arrange it for earlier in the evening so we have all night, plenty of time to do a more involved session and get myself taken care of and/or P in V multiple times etc just alternating between orgasms and napping all evening/night lol

So there you go, the YaReally squirting method lol Go forth and spread the love to your girls.

P.S. Disclaimer before the girls jump in: yes some girls just want to get pounded and yes sometimes a quickie or jumping right to P in V can be the way to go and yes I get it for some of you no guy has ever made you cum from oral bla bla bla lol I’m not saying do this for EVERY session, but it’s a great way to stand out from the pack and make sure she comes back for a 2nd session where you can do whatever. This tool should be in a PUA’s sexxin toolbox if he’s going to devote a solid portion of his life to banging girls…like, of ANY guys that should know a bunch of ways to get girls off and give them epic orgasmic experiences, PUAs should be at the top of that list lol)

P.P.S. also combine this squirting shit with other stuff like bondage, toys, exhibitionism, etc for extra fun lol

P.P.P.S. and look into the “deep spot” and “A-spot”, they don’t function the same way as the g-spot but they’re spots that most girls haven’t felt before, putting some pressure on them while she’s orgasming from oral etc can be a new sensation to her…from what they tell me the deep spot feels kind of like anal without actually involving anal and the a-spot just feels “different” in a good way when they’re turned on…I use both towards the edge of an orgasm so I send them over the edge while putting pressure or massaging one but tbh I haven’t experimented a ton with them yet because the g-spot is more fun to me lol

P.P.P.P.S. the girl from the other night that I did this to just txted me to see if I’m free tonightπŸ˜‰ lol She’s a fun chick and I’m psyched to hook up again but I don’t cancel a sarging night for sex, esp with a wingman that needs me…another benefit of this whole thing is that the stuff I did to her gives me the leverage to have her meet up with me at last call or another more convenient night aka I get to dictate the schedule since she knows it’s worth it VS if I was just offering a standard sexual experience she can get from any guy


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@Sentient
“So yes it is NOT age. and again it is subcomms…”

Ya, I didn’t mean to imply it was age if that’s how it came across in my writing lol I like the solid oak tree analogy…the girl (or most guys) are like squirrels skittering around on the branches and a guy who’s grounded, centered, got his confidence based internally, authentic, whatever you want to call it, is like the thick solid oak tree.

Thing is it takes a long time (aka lots of field experience interacting with lots of different people) to GET that solid vibe, so it tends to come with age. Like for a 25yo to have that vibe he would have to log some SERIOUS amounts of field time and even then he’s still only going to have seen and experienced and learned about himself as much as he can in that time VS someone who’s 35 with an extra 10 years of “life”. So saying it’s an “old guy” thing is kind of short-hand for it.

But you’re right, like, it’s the subcomms, which you could theoretically just teach to a 20yo guy and he’d get the same response, but the 20yo guy generally isn’t going to have the internals to make those subcomms congruent.

“Authenticity is greater that congruence… Congruence is matching behaviors to expectations, i.e. acting”

I like Tyler’s definition of it: the goal is to have alignment in your thoughts, words, and actions…whatever you want to call the result of that, that’s when you’re putting out the right vibe. Like a lot of guys will approach a girl and ACT and TALK like they want to fuck her, but their THOUGHTS will be “I hope I don’t get rejected”. Or their THOUGHTS will be they want to fuck her, but they’ll TALK about puppydogs & ice cream or they’ll talk sexual but ACT nervous or be scared to touch her etc. Shit’s just all out of alignment and even opposing (“I want to get her, but I don’t want to get rejected”).

But when your thoughts are “I want to fuck her” and your words and actions are all aligned with “I want to fuck her”, that’s when you hit the sweet spot.

“but I think too many guys get caught up in the cycle of “dialing up” congruence instead of embracing authenticity”

I think a newbie has to work on congruence first, because his authentic shit is all fucked up with blue pill programming. He LEGITIMATELY thinks like, “sex is dirty and something I should be ashamed of wanting” because his programming has told him that’s the way to get pussy…being authentic to that is no good lol he needs to go out a shitload and become congruent enough doing pickup shit and immersing himself in sex until his internal programming fixes itself and he embraces “sex is natural and fun and women love having sex and I’m giving value to women when I give them a chance to fuck me”, so that when his shitty blue pill wiring is gone and he’s being authentic it’s with THAT vibe.

Cause ultimately the blue pill programming is just overwriting and restraining his instincts which are red pill (when he was fresh out of the womb he gave no fucks about “being too loud” or “asking politely for things” or “don’t stare at people it’s rude” etc)…deep down his brain KNOWS he wants sex but the blue pill has made him too ashamed to admit it to himself or others. Unchain him by getting rid of that blue pill shit by giving him success thru faking it till he makes it with congruence and mimicking the subcomms etc, and then he can REALLY be his ACTUAL authentic self that was covered up with all this bullshit.

It’s like how technically “be yourself” is good advice. But when “yourself” is this fucked up social outcast with weird sex issues and shit, “be yourself” is no good…be someone else for a while like the guy in Fight Club and fix yourself, THEN come back to “be yourself” when you’re now being your BEST self and work on expressing authenticity.

“The authenticity of Tyler is exposed in his describing how he really does love all the girls he gets with, and enjoys time with them and appreciates them for whatever they have in the moment. That’s the power.”

This part I’m quoting just because this is an important thing. I’m the same way. You CAN hate girls and still get laid a shitload, but personally I love them and ideally we hope to put guys on that same path because it’s hard to enjoy the game when you hate women. Case in point: Roosh and Tyler are the same age, compare Roosh’s attitude toward women and overall happiness and zest for life and pickup and meeting women and having relationships etc these days with Tyler’s lol Tyler might still be a bit autistic weird at times but I know which guy I’d rather end up like in terms of internal mindsets.

Jeffy makes a good point here around 2:18 in that video that when you become the equivalent of an “HB10” you see their perspective. And when you understand solipsism and how women live in the present moment and how their emotions change with their state etc where when they exchange numbers with you and make plans they really DO in that moment INTEND to do that shit with you, but their lives are just way the fuck different from what the average newbie learning pickup’s life is like where his phone doesn’t have any txts on a Friday night except from a buddy or two and he’s convinced all these bitch lizard hoe sluts are just stupid cunts who bla bla it’s like dude, get more girls and see how YOU handle having 5 girls you’re into all txt you to hook up the same night while your boys want you to come out with them and you have to work in the morning and your apartment is a mess and you just got laid the night before so you’re not jonesing for sex lol

And Tyler makes some good points about how if you ARE going to hate on women then you better be getting laid, because if you’re just hating on them and you don’t have them in your life, or just have shitty low-quality ones in your life, it’s just kind of pathetic. It’s a big part of why I roll my eyes at the RVF LARP’ers…a lot of the Manosphere in general has really shitty negative attitudes and aren’t getting laid. It’s like a fat old lonely chick hating on Valentine’s Day lol

Ya there are girls that are shitty people, no one’s saying girls are perfect or excusing them when they do shitty things. But like, a lot of their shitty behavior is because nothing in society is reining them in, just like an out of control child on Dr Phil who’s parents don’t discipline it or have any rules, it’s not that the kid is just an asshole necessarily, there’s a lot of other dynamics going on that make that kid choose that behavior. Women are basically big children despite what the blue pill has tried to convince us of.

I don’t get mad at a big dumb dog for pooping on the couch because I know it doesn’t know better…and expecting it TO know better when no one in it’s life has trained it to know better, like, that’s just silly. I appreciate that dog for being a big dumb dog I can play with and pet and expect certain things from…but I know it’s not going to be able to do the same things I can do and I’m certainly not going to legally tie myself and assets to the idea that I can get that dog to do my taxes lol

Unrelated but funny:

SO MUCH TRIGGERING. lol And for anyone who’s convinced Roosh was serious with his article, you can literally see him almost cracking up and having to hold back a smile as he tries to deadpan this shit.

Note that the girls don’t get any of what he’s saying though, like, they aren’t even really listening to him or considering what he’s saying as a whole. They’re just reacting emotionally to shit in the moment and barking at passing cars like a dog. But EXPECTING them to do more than that and to look outside their solipsism and their feels in the moment and look at facts and logic and have some deep conversation about the struggles of being a man etc etc is blue pill conditioning. Like expecting your dog to just know not to poop on the couch by default and to be able to do your taxes etc

Appreciate women for what they ACTUALLY are and what they can ACTUALLY bring to the table:

Just silly retarded feminine energy to lighten up the serious day to day of being a man with a burden of performance. She’s the squirrel, you be the oak tree.


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@Sentient
“So yes it is NOT age. and again it is subcomms…”

Ya, I didn’t mean to imply it was age if that’s how it came across in my writing lol I like the solid oak tree analogy…the girl (or most guys) are like squirrels skittering around on the branches and a guy who’s grounded, centered, got his confidence based internally, authentic, whatever you want to call it, is like the thick solid oak tree.

Thing is it takes a long time (aka lots of field experience interacting with lots of different people) to GET that solid vibe, so it tends to come with age. Like for a 25yo to have that vibe he would have to log some SERIOUS amounts of field time and even then he’s still only going to have seen and experienced and learned about himself as much as he can in that time VS someone who’s 35 with an extra 10 years of “life”. So saying it’s an “old guy” thing is kind of short-hand for it.

But you’re right, like, it’s the subcomms, which you could theoretically just teach to a 20yo guy and he’d get the same response, but the 20yo guy generally isn’t going to have the internals to make those subcomms congruent.

“Authenticity is greater that congruence… Congruence is matching behaviors to expectations, i.e. acting”

I like Tyler’s definition of it: the goal is to have alignment in your thoughts, words, and actions…whatever you want to call the result of that, that’s when you’re putting out the right vibe. Like a lot of guys will approach a girl and ACT and TALK like they want to fuck her, but their THOUGHTS will be “I hope I don’t get rejected”. Or their THOUGHTS will be they want to fuck her, but they’ll TALK about puppydogs & ice cream or they’ll talk sexual but ACT nervous or be scared to touch her etc. Shit’s just all out of alignment and even opposing (“I want to get her, but I don’t want to get rejected”).

But when your thoughts are “I want to fuck her” and your words and actions are all aligned with “I want to fuck her”, that’s when you hit the sweet spot.

“but I think too many guys get caught up in the cycle of “dialing up” congruence instead of embracing authenticity”

I think a newbie has to work on congruence first, because his authentic shit is all fucked up with blue pill programming. He LEGITIMATELY thinks like, “sex is dirty and something I should be ashamed of wanting” because his programming has told him that’s the way to get pussy…being authentic to that is no good lol he needs to go out a shitload and become congruent enough doing pickup shit and immersing himself in sex until his internal programming fixes itself and he embraces “sex is natural and fun and women love having sex and I’m giving value to women when I give them a chance to fuck me”, so that when his shitty blue pill wiring is gone and he’s being authentic it’s with THAT vibe.

Cause ultimately the blue pill programming is just overwriting and restraining his instincts which are red pill (when he was fresh out of the womb he gave no fucks about “being too loud” or “asking politely for things” or “don’t stare at people it’s rude” etc)…deep down his brain KNOWS he wants sex but the blue pill has made him too ashamed to admit it to himself or others. Unchain him by getting rid of that blue pill shit by giving him success thru faking it till he makes it with congruence and mimicking the subcomms etc, and then he can REALLY be his ACTUAL authentic self that was covered up with all this bullshit.

It’s like how technically “be yourself” is good advice. But when “yourself” is this fucked up social outcast with weird sex issues and shit, “be yourself” is no good…be someone else for a while like the guy in Fight Club and fix yourself, THEN come back to “be yourself” when you’re now being your BEST self and work on expressing authenticity.

“The authenticity of Tyler is exposed in his describing how he really does love all the girls he gets with, and enjoys time with them and appreciates them for whatever they have in the moment. That’s the power.”

This part I’m quoting just because this is an important thing. I’m the same way. You CAN hate girls and still get laid a shitload, but personally I love them and ideally we hope to put guys on that same path because it’s hard to enjoy the game when you hate women. Case in point: Roosh and Tyler are the same age, compare Roosh’s attitude toward women and overall happiness and zest for life and pickup and meeting women and having relationships etc these days with Tyler’s lol Tyler might still be a bit autistic weird at times but I know which guy I’d rather end up like in terms of internal mindsets.

Jeffy makes a good point here around 2:18 in that video that when you become the equivalent of an “HB10” you see their perspective. And when you understand solipsism and how women live in the present moment and how their emotions change with their state etc where when they exchange numbers with you and make plans they really DO in that moment INTEND to do that shit with you, but their lives are just way the fuck different from what the average newbie learning pickup’s life is like where his phone doesn’t have any txts on a Friday night except from a buddy or two and he’s convinced all these bitch lizard hoe sluts are just stupid cunts who bla bla it’s like dude, get more girls and see how YOU handle having 5 girls you’re into all txt you to hook up the same night while your boys want you to come out with them and you have to work in the morning and your apartment is a mess and you just got laid the night before so you’re not jonesing for sex lol

And Tyler makes some good points about how if you ARE going to hate on women then you better be getting laid, because if you’re just hating on them and you don’t have them in your life, or just have shitty low-quality ones in your life, it’s just kind of pathetic. It’s a big part of why I roll my eyes at the RVF LARP’ers…a lot of the Manosphere in general has really shitty negative attitudes and aren’t getting laid. It’s like a fat old lonely chick hating on Valentine’s Day lol

Ya there are girls that are shitty people, no one’s saying girls are perfect or excusing them when they do shitty things. But like, a lot of their shitty behavior is because nothing in society is reining them in, just like an out of control child on Dr Phil who’s parents don’t discipline it or have any rules, it’s not that the kid is just an asshole necessarily, there’s a lot of other dynamics going on that make that kid choose that behavior. Women are basically big children despite what the blue pill has tried to convince us of.

I don’t get mad at a big dumb dog for pooping on the couch because I know it doesn’t know better…and expecting it TO know better when no one in it’s life has trained it to know better, like, that’s just silly. I appreciate that dog for being a big dumb dog I can play with and pet and expect certain things from…but I know it’s not going to be able to do the same things I can do and I’m certainly not going to legally tie myself and assets to the idea that I can get that dog to do my taxes lol

Unrelated but funny:

SO MUCH TRIGGERING. lol And for anyone who’s convinced Roosh was serious with his article, you can literally see him almost cracking up and having to hold back a smile as he tries to deadpan this shit.

Note that the girls don’t get any of what he’s saying though, like, they aren’t even really listening to him or considering what he’s saying as a whole. They’re just reacting emotionally to shit in the moment and barking at passing cars like a dog. But EXPECTING them to do more than that and to look outside their solipsism and their feels in the moment and look at facts and logic and have some deep conversation about the struggles of being a man etc etc is blue pill conditioning. Like expecting your dog to just know not to poop on the couch by default and to be able to do your taxes etc

Appreciate women for what they ACTUALLY are and what they can ACTUALLY bring to the table:

Just silly retarded feminine energy to lighten up the serious day to day of being a man with a burden of performance. She’s the squirrel, you be the oak tree.


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@hank holiday
Props on going out and experiencing the field and finding ways to MAKE it fun instead of sitting there expecting other people to just provide you with fun (value-giving VS value-taking). You can at least work on your social and flirting skills until you get yourself into a location where you’re surrounded by asians/latinas (which you have a plan to achieve, right?).

I’m not going to say go fuck a bunch of girls you aren’t into, like that choice is entirely up to you, but I will say this: you have no idea what you ACTUALLY want until you’ve flirted with and fucked a lot of girls.

When I was a hermit virgin I thought I knew exactly what I wanted (my dream girl was just some shy submissive quiet friendly asian 6/10 tomboy chick), but I didn’t even really know MYSELF back then (I was still a stifled AFC, I hadn’t even SEEN myself in action or what my potential out there in the social scene was)…now that I’ve been WITH girls like that, and I’ve been WITH girls who are the opposite because I DID go “you know I wasn’t expecting to be into this chick, I didn’t think she was my type, but she’s fun and I’m having fun with her right now so fuck it let’s see what happens” and I exposed myself to a bunch of different types of girls.

And because I did that, I learned that those shy quiet girls are actually BORING to me, and that I instinctively respond really well to the loud outgoing feisty/sassy (bordering on obnoxious or too much to handle lol) chicks who doll up all flashy (which is sexy to me), because now that I’m generally an unstifled version of myself I can relate to that energy they put out and it entertains me and keeps me engaged and interested in them long-term.

But if I had just avoided talking to other girls because they weren’t my type and waited for my shy quiet asian 6/10 GF, I would have probably FOUND one and married her (with my blue pill programming) and ended up MISERABLE 5-10 years down the road when I came to the same conclusion (that I get bored by those girls) but the slow way, and end up either with her divorcing me as our relationship loses steam or cheating on her with some feisty chick at the office at an xmas party where I have no idea why but I’m heavily attracted to her and end up making bad decisions and ending up divorce-raped lol

You learned the other night that you’re cooler than you probably realized and that you won’t need as much work as a lot of guys to get what you want. Another night out you’ll learn that you’re a pussy chode who has approach anxiety. And another night out you’ll learn that you’re a god who can tear a club up and have 5 girls fighting over him. And another night out you’ll learn that you’re good at leading men and that guys’ girlfriends will give you attraction etc etc you’ll always learn more about yourself, good and bad, your strengths and flaws, and you’ll improve on them and enhance them and unlock all the shit that’s kept you from taking action.

From there all you have to do is figure out where to move to that will have a higher population of your physical type of girl, and apply the stuff you’re learning by going out now, and you’ll have the lifestyle you want. It’s all in your hands.

@Thwack
“None of you white guys should feel bad or embarrassed by this change because it was nothing more than a marketing/branding move by the blog owner. There was no PUA/GAME blog for racists so “Chateau Heartiste” decided to take the “easy lay up.””

This. It was a conscious choice by CH to pander to that crowd for whatever reason. I just assume it’s because whoever’s running CH isn’t going out anymore so game topics aren’t as interesting as bitching about race etc. Or maybe it’s more profitable page-view/internet-viral-wise, who knows. But it was a specific push by CH. There was a point where there were like 10 articles on trump/race in a row and that was where I started reading the TRM comments more lol

“CH runs a very clever scam on his readers; he stay silent and lets his readers blame the heavy moderation on WordPress (or Jews) instead of him; because it is him (he needs the large buffer so he can select which comments support the site dogma)”

Ya, I asked a dozen times what the criteria for getting stuck in moderation was because all my posts were being held back and and never got a response which I figure means “shhh, don’t pull the curtain back”.

And now all the guys that I scared off with actual field experience and game talk have taken the comment section over. I don’t even read CH anymore because the game articles have become rare and weak compared to the golden days and the comment section is just a cesspool of guys who don’t go out arguing from their armchair about race and politics.

It’s a shame, I liked CH a lot, but he’s made his choice in the audience he wants to cater to. Just like Krauser’s Twitter feed lol


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@hank holiday
Props on going out and experiencing the field and finding ways to MAKE it fun instead of sitting there expecting other people to just provide you with fun (value-giving VS value-taking). You can at least work on your social and flirting skills until you get yourself into a location where you’re surrounded by asians/latinas (which you have a plan to achieve, right?).

I’m not going to say go fuck a bunch of girls you aren’t into, like that choice is entirely up to you, but I will say this: you have no idea what you ACTUALLY want until you’ve flirted with and fucked a lot of girls.

When I was a hermit virgin I thought I knew exactly what I wanted (my dream girl was just some shy submissive quiet friendly asian 6/10 tomboy chick), but I didn’t even really know MYSELF back then (I was still a stifled AFC, I hadn’t even SEEN myself in action or what my potential out there in the social scene was)…now that I’ve been WITH girls like that, and I’ve been WITH girls who are the opposite because I DID go “you know I wasn’t expecting to be into this chick, I didn’t think she was my type, but she’s fun and I’m having fun with her right now so fuck it let’s see what happens” and I exposed myself to a bunch of different types of girls.

And because I did that, I learned that those shy quiet girls are actually BORING to me, and that I instinctively respond really well to the loud outgoing feisty/sassy (bordering on obnoxious or too much to handle lol) chicks who doll up all flashy (which is sexy to me), because now that I’m generally an unstifled version of myself I can relate to that energy they put out and it entertains me and keeps me engaged and interested in them long-term.

But if I had just avoided talking to other girls because they weren’t my type and waited for my shy quiet asian 6/10 GF, I would have probably FOUND one and married her (with my blue pill programming) and ended up MISERABLE 5-10 years down the road when I came to the same conclusion (that I get bored by those girls) but the slow way, and end up either with her divorcing me as our relationship loses steam or cheating on her with some feisty chick at the office at an xmas party where I have no idea why but I’m heavily attracted to her and end up making bad decisions and ending up divorce-raped lol

You learned the other night that you’re cooler than you probably realized and that you won’t need as much work as a lot of guys to get what you want. Another night out you’ll learn that you’re a pussy chode who has approach anxiety. And another night out you’ll learn that you’re a god who can tear a club up and have 5 girls fighting over him. And another night out you’ll learn that you’re good at leading men and that guys’ girlfriends will give you attraction etc etc you’ll always learn more about yourself, good and bad, your strengths and flaws, and you’ll improve on them and enhance them and unlock all the shit that’s kept you from taking action.

From there all you have to do is figure out where to move to that will have a higher population of your physical type of girl, and apply the stuff you’re learning by going out now, and you’ll have the lifestyle you want. It’s all in your hands.

@Thwack
“None of you white guys should feel bad or embarrassed by this change because it was nothing more than a marketing/branding move by the blog owner. There was no PUA/GAME blog for racists so “Chateau Heartiste” decided to take the “easy lay up.””

This. It was a conscious choice by CH to pander to that crowd for whatever reason. I just assume it’s because whoever’s running CH isn’t going out anymore so game topics aren’t as interesting as bitching about race etc. Or maybe it’s more profitable page-view/internet-viral-wise, who knows. But it was a specific push by CH. There was a point where there were like 10 articles on trump/race in a row and that was where I started reading the TRM comments more lol

“CH runs a very clever scam on his readers; he stay silent and lets his readers blame the heavy moderation on WordPress (or Jews) instead of him; because it is him (he needs the large buffer so he can select which comments support the site dogma)”

Ya, I asked a dozen times what the criteria for getting stuck in moderation was because all my posts were being held back and and never got a response which I figure means “shhh, don’t pull the curtain back”.

And now all the guys that I scared off with actual field experience and game talk have taken the comment section over. I don’t even read CH anymore because the game articles have become rare and weak compared to the golden days and the comment section is just a cesspool of guys who don’t go out arguing from their armchair about race and politics.

It’s a shame, I liked CH a lot, but he’s made his choice in the audience he wants to cater to. Just like Krauser’s Twitter feed lol


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Looks like neomasculinity was unable to take on the entire world:

http://www.rooshv.com/announcement-the-meetup-on-february-6-is-cancelled

RVF is invisible now, probably still there but just hidden unless you’re logged in. Anonymous was looking to hack them and expose all their E-Mail addresses and PMs etc

But hey maybe it’s just a troll bluff to throw the hate mobs off. Or maybe there were no meetups planned to begin with and the whole thing was a PR stunt from day one.

Either way, they attracted some pretty serious mobs like the Antifa who probably aren’t real deep into “Swiftian satire” lol

I don’t think even Blaximus would fuck with them lol

But don’t worry, Aurini will save the day:

“They tend to be young men filled with a sense of frustration and inadequacy, who seek out “fascists” to assault to prove their manhood (note: neomasculinity is not a fascist organization, it is largely apolitical, focusing on the Classical Greek virtues, with somewhat of a libertarian bend). If Antifas harass you, there will be safety in small groups. Ultimately these street thugs are cowardly, and if you stand your ground they will back off. If they insist on harassing you, speak bluntly and to the point. Do not argue.”

He doesn’t sound concerned, but then I wouldn’t be either if I was also a master of kung-fu like him:

I wouldn’t pick on Aurini this much normally but he’s propped himself up as Roosh’s right-hand man in their LARP’ing Braveheart army so now he’s fair game lol


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@The Question
“Posting the locations, times, and password publicly, like you said, was guaranteed to get the response it did, and I don’t understand how he thought it would turn out differently. With this sort of thing you can’t be ready, fire, aim.”

I come here for Rollo’s take on Roosh’s actions because I don’t know enough about marketing and branding and stuff to really get why he’d do what he’s doing, but at the same time I don’t think Roosh is DUMB and just oblivious like “oh I didn’t expect the MSM to call us rape groups AGAIN, oh I thought Dr Oz would be kind to me, etc etc”.

But I don’t understand how all that shit works enough to be like “it’s obvious he’s doing this for this reason”. Rollo gets that world though so I’m eager to see his read on all this after we see how everything pans out on Saturday lol

My GUESS at this point is that the meetups are still on and this is to throw the mobs off and Roosh will post another victory video Saturday night, but I have no idea. He doesn’t even really NEED anyone to meet up, or to leave his apartment, he’s getting the free publicity either way.


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A ton of my buddies are minorities lol most of them are 2nd gen or whatever it’s called (I don’t even care enough to learn the lingo) where their parents are from elsewhere and they’re born & raised here. They have the same general “good for society” values beliefs etc that we all have (hell if anything a lot of the ones with really strict traditional parents are more Blue Pill than I was and some of them joke with me that they’re whiter than I am) whether some of them have bigger dicks or are better at basketball or are smarter or whatever and most of them are embarrassed about how “traditional” their parents are. Very few of them are hardcore into whatever beliefs their parents brought over.

And the thing we all agree on is we all wanna fuck hot white chicks. πŸ˜€

That said I do run into the crowds who don’t want to assimilate at all and they’re a very different group from the guys I roll with. To me the “tendency to do whatever” is all cultural (I think the guys who don’t see it that way tend not to have many cool friends of other races) and the problems come from not wanting to assimilate (or being encouraged NOT to assimilate (move here but keep your culture as-is, big groups moving at the same time and creating a mini-version of their home where as a group no one assimilates), or not having time/incentive to assimilate etc etc).

But there’s nothing biologically hard-wired into my buddies to like fried chicken and steal TVs and go jihad on foreign devils lol and if there was it would be such an insignificant hard-wiring that my buddies all have managed to overcome it by watching western television when they were kids lol

Most of my “super intelligent Asian” buddies are successful. But they also grew up with parents who pushed the fuck out of them to study and work hard. They might have a little genetic boost from evolution, who knows, but like, they aren’t just magically naturally gifted…they were forced into a solid work ethic from babyhood…I know ’cause I was the kid running around their lawn waiting for them to finish their extra studying and fancy musical instrument lessons etc so we could go play in the dirt like retards lol

That all said, while I don’t get into race discussions because this stuff is retarded to me and would be to my minority buddies (a TON of PUAs are minorities esp Asian and Indian lol ’cause their belief systems are all fucked up Blue Pill western bullshit combined with super strict “sex is bad” repressed bullshit from their traditional parents), I appreciate that TR has kept his cool and is just dropping logic. Whether I agree or disagree with him, he’s handled himself well in the face of people trying to be e-badasses and projecting all sorts of baggage and exaggerations of what he’s actually written onto him.

Personally I don’t care for a hugbox, and prefer debate/education to “STFU FUCK YOUUUUU” and I’d much rather hear what the “other side” says in the form that TR is presenting it VS the CH comment section of racial slurs and nonsense. But I’m just passing through this month lol


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On Roosh:

I agree that this is a pretty big hit for him…that’s why I think he HAS to have a victory video planned and act like oh all the meetings went off without a hitch cancelling was just a ruse, like he CAN’T have just simply cancelled everything and now he goes back to business as usual because the ENTIRE FOUNDATION of neomasculinity is that we’re the Braveheart manly army who doesn’t back down from anyone no matter what because we’re LARP’ing and don’t understand real world consequences.

Like if Roosh DOES basically just fold up and post emo shit on his Twitter about how unfair it all was, I mean, *I* wouldn’t hold it against him because I knew from the start that kicking the beehive was a retarded strategy…but that basically goes DIRECTLY against the whole LARP-crowd’s belief system that they can take on the world and Roosh is the next revolutionary leader willing to get carved up on a slab of stone shouting “FREEDOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!” for his beliefs.

Maybe Roosh didn’t watch to the end of the movie?

If I was one of his neomasculinity supporters I would be looking at this like “wait wut? I was all gung-ho and he caved?? well wtf is the point of this movement then? This is just MRA/PUA/TRP/etc-Lite. This was supposed to be the movement that out-alphas all those other movements! I posted so many animated gifs from Braveheart and Gladiator!! Was it all for nothing??”

The other funny aspect of it to me is that for a bunch of “neomasculine” men they’re reverting to the exact same behavior as women/feminists lol: troll a big group poking the beehive with a stick, then cry harrassment when that beehive attacks them, and try to cash in on victim-bux from your followers. I’m even seeing comments from his followers (now that they’re being taunted lol) like “oh what you think it’s un-manly for Roosh to protect his fellow man from being attacked???” Like now they’re going full victim-mode. It’s LITERALLY the exact same strategy.

How masculine can your movement be when you’re following the feminism/female-victim playbook step by step to establish it?


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@Dutchman
Props dude, you’re doing good with this even if it feels like two steps forward one step back. Gotta understand that this is your first rodeo ride, so you’re GOING to fuck it up a few times. That’s why ideally a guy has a few LTRs under his belt where he understands the red pill and can make all these mistakes safely without the loom of legal action or losing his kids etc, but you gotta play the cards you’re dealt so fuck it lol

“lol When I got home I just said “hey” to her and she now she’s playing this game where she has a hurt look on her face but goes about doing normal stuff anyway (like she’s so committed to our family that she’s fighting through it even though it’s killing her inside or some BS) all because I didn’t come in and go “Okay, I’m sooooo sorry I ignored your texts all day and I’m here now and ready to supplicate!” This is a familiar shit test that she does when I try to hold frame for extended periods of time.”

The other guys’ advice was good shit. About not responding, or responding as if it was no big deal until she dwells on it then cutting it off, or responding with certainty VS doubt/indecision, etc

As for the current test it’s fine. It’s OKAY for her to feel bad emotions. She watches TV and movies because they give her a rollercoaster of the full range of emotions from good to bad, which you probably gave her when you were young and impossible to tame and she had to win you over, but now you don’t give her bad emotions because it would risk fucking up your life and family life. Keep it away from the kids, but like, it’s okay for her to go to bed angry that you didn’t apologize for something that you weren’t even wrong about. And it’s okay to NOT discuss it and have a “talk” and just dismiss it and end the discussion etc

Like I said in a reply to CaveClown a little while back:

“When what women ACTUALLY value are the emotions you make them FEEL, and they want to feel a full RANGE of emotions (again no one goes to a movie where there’s no conflict, we pay money to go see horror flicks and shit, no one would read 50 Shades of Grey if the guy was a Nice Guy instead of a tortured bad boy, the entire basis of Twilight is “if we get together I’ll end up killing you” lol).

“Why all of a sudden am I “good enough”?”

Right now CaveClown is giving his wife some dread from his IDGAF attitude and a rollercoaster of emotions, so NOW he’s triggering her Hypergamy properly…it’s funny how just a little mental shift like that can have such an effect when all the years of toiling away trying to earn her affection through the wrong channels does nothing or even pushes her away if it comes off too desperate. But when you understand “oh, you know what, it’s not my looks, it’s that I’m not treating her in the way her biology needs me to treat her” it’s like “well shit, that was a big waste of years of frustration” lol LITERALLY all you had to do, all this time, was change your mindset which changes your behaviors which provides her with the shit she needs…but you couldn’t possibly have KNOWN that because society will condition you into not knowing or believing it, or believing the opposite, and send you down a bunch of wrong channels.

You can have all the looks, money, etc in the world but if you aren’t providing her the range of emotions and occasional emotional rollercoasters she needs, you will lose attraction and she will fuck the guy who provides those, even if he’s some scrubby chubby asshole at the bar on a girl’s night out.

Why do we Soft Next a girl who’s misbehaving instead of just “convincing” her to behave better? Because radio silence and the fear of loss gives her an emotional rollercoaster that having a big long logical discussion about the situation doesn’t give her. Women run on their feels, game should be teaching you how to understand and affect those feels.”

And to Reco (where the fuck did he go anyway?):

“I’d guess the reason you’re hesitating on sending it is because you’re stuck in the paradigm of “our interaction should be positive, or non-existent”. You’re scared to give her “bad” emotions so you don’t want to send something that might offend her. You’re looking to send her some kind of cocky/funny “thinkin about me eh girl?” response that’s positive, but that’s ignoring the fact that she acted shitty (flaked on you with no warning/apology and then ignored you for 3 months). She KNOWS she acted shitty and deserves some kind of punishment. If you reward her shitty behavior with your positive attention, you will be teaching her that “if I act shitty, he’ll still like me” and she’ll just act shittier and shittier trying to get you to snap.

Why does she do that? Because she wants to see where your boundaries as a man are. She knows exactly how far she can cross her dad before he spanks her ass. And she knows she can walk all over 90% of the chodes that orbit her and they’ll let her get away with anything. She needs to see if you’re one of those chodes or if you’re like her dad who will punish her when she acts bratty (flaking, no apology, then silence for 3 months).

Why do girls watch soap operas, Twilight, movies in general? Because they get to feel the full spectrum of emotions, good AND bad. No girl wants Bella and Edward to just meet and get along and get married…they want conflict and tension and drama and fear and ya it’ll turn out good in the end but they want to feel that full range of emotions when they watch Twilight.

It’s okay to give her bad emotions when she’s earned them by being bratty. Especially on a 20yo who’s testing how far she can push guys and what she can get away with because she’s just entering her sexual/social prime and figuring out what her magic pussy will let her get away with.

If you had sent the “who’s this?” that night like I said, I could tell you what she was probably going to write back and how to get it back into a positive thing (usually she’ll test you back with a “wow you deleted me” without saying her name and you stick to your “no idea who this is” guns by sending a “apparently. who’s this and why are you calling me and hanging up?” and then she caves and says her name and usually says she dialed the wrong number by accident and you tease her saying she must have been drunk booty-calling boys and then she lols and now you’re back on a positive interaction together), but having waited, you’ll have to see what happens. It might still play out that way, but I can’t predict it now lol

You DO let her back in and turn it into a positive interaction, but you make her work for it first so she knows her behavior was shit and you don’t tolerate that. She DOES want to reconnect, that’s why she dialed you in the first place and still even has your phone number (she probably just broke up with a guy), but you don’t want to be the old guy who’s been saving her number hoping she messages you someday to save you from your lonely life. You want to be the badass old socialite who’s met so many women that you forgot she even existed and you don’t waste time on flaky girls so you deleted her number when you hadn’t heard from her in a month because that’s just the kind of guy you are. (you don’t actually delete it, you just let her think you do)

“Should I just wait her out? Or not respond anymore? I dont mind saying this whole thing is getting a little tedious to me. But I am hanging in there.”

lol this is kind of a direct result of txting becoming so popular. In the old days you only had to talk to the girl if you actually called her or she called you, so every few days or once a week you’d have one conversation. But now it’s like they can shoot you txts all fucking day and keep a conversation going and as a man it’s like “I got shit to do, i can’t txt all day”.

One thing to keep in mind is that you don’t have to respond to every txt. Try just dropping out for a few hours mid-conversation now and then. I don’t even respond if a girl sends me something like “wow it’s cold out today brrr!” It’s not worth my time. If she wants my attention she can send me something flirty that’s leading towards us hanging out.

I would go radio silent on the 33yo till Wednesday and see what happens. You’re already prepared for her to flake, so it’ll just get her hamster spinning wondering if you took some other girl out instead of her etc. If she txts you “hey are we still on for tonight?” like she intends to meet up, then ya go ahead and txt her back and go meet up and bang her. But if she txts like “hey I have bad news…” like she’s going to flake, just don’t respond at all until she coughs up “I can’t make it tonight :(” and then just give her a “k” and radio silence till Wednesday (she’ll probably send an “are you mad at me?” but you just ignore it…it’s okay for her to feel bad emotions when she does shitty behavior like flaking on you, it reminds her not to flake again) and Wednesday you just send a “no it’s fine I made other plans. we can try again sometime.” and leave it hanging…within a week or two she’ll say “hey babe I’m free wednesday!” in a way where she’s letting you know her schedule is free and hoping you’ll ask her out, and you do take that bait and ask her out because she’s been punished and probably won’t flake and then you get the bang.

Maybe I should draw this all into a flowchart hey? lol Sorry it’s confusing but re-read it a few times and write down on paper or something the different possible outcomes. This is a really common pattern you’ll run into again and again, that’s why I can explain it (and how to solve it) in depth.”


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@Rollo
“Roosh “canceling” the meet up is part of the schtick. It gives him plausible deniability if (when) some side resorts to violence at one of the 165(?) worldwide meetups.”

Solid read. Get the troops riled up then disavow any responsibility. He knows some meetups will still happen and some mobs will still happen (I’d bet a handful of mobs will still hit the meeting places just incase because for them it’s just a night out drinking so why not keep an eye out for some LARP’ers).

“My guess is that if even half of these meet ups take place after the cancellation he’ll release another victory video similar to his stage managed Battle for Toronto one.”

Right, that’s what I’m expecting.

“The problem is that being an outrage broker only works for so long before people see your game.”

I’d say the biggest problem is that he needs his followers to be an outrage machine, and the things he’s doing make his followers look retarded, endangers them, and goes against the stuff he preaches to them. Whereas like, Big Red doesn’t need followers she’s her own vortex of insanity and she has the entire mainstream on her side by default lol

Roosh without his followers is just a guy who has trouble getting laid.

https://daryushvalizadeh.wordpress.com/

Also this is like the 4th hit when Googling for “rooshv” now.

btw this war brides article was good shit. I was worried you were going into CH territory but viewing it from the “let’s you and him” fight feminization etc perspective was an interesting read and that video is a fucking buffet of hamster-logic lol

@The Question @Rollo
Holy shit lol no punches pulled.

“For a while there was a quiet peace between MRAs and the Return of Kings rape fetishists, however, recently RooshV began not only dishonestly attacking MRAs, but has pulled the interesting [unintended?] trick of making himself a media darling as an MRA. ”

What these dummies don’t get is that WE ARE ALL ONE BIG SHIT-SANDWICH TO THESE PEOPLE lol We are ALL Elliot Rogers and Julien and Roosh and Sandman and Elam, the mainstream doesn’t care about nuanced points.

@TR
“And I don’t think anybody taught me to hate anyone. I think it’s genetic.”

Well it’d be a lot easier to blame genetics that give you no personal responsibility/accountability, than it would be to accept that maybe you’re a shitty hateful person or have picked up shitty hateful beliefs over the years or have been programmed with them by the shitty hateful people around you and simply haven’t had enough exposure to the opposite side of things to have enough evidence to question/reprogram those shitty hateful beliefs. πŸ˜‰

You didn’t hate anyone when you came out of the womb. Somewhere along the way you picked up some beliefs, so did your brother, unless you both lived inside an empty bubble with your eyes closed and didn’t interact with anyone or anything till you were in your teenage years. Just because you can’t articulate where things influenced you or what series of things led up to eventually influencing you, doesn’t mean that “nobody pushed this on him”. It’s not like a drug commercial from the 80s where some guy in a jean jacket at school says “hey man, black people are bad” lol

My buddies and I all hang out no problem, we aren’t stewing with hatred for eachother under the surface. Some of them are my closest friends and we’d take a bullet for eachother no questions asked. You’ve been exposed to a shitty set of experiences that has influenced your belief system, just as I’ve probably NOT been exposed to the type of shitty experiences that would lead me to have the same belief system as you (ie – I haven’t been mugged by a bunch of black dudes or lost a family member on 9/11 etc), which is why I try not to participate in race discussions. But if your assertion is that it’s genetics and they’re prone to have those racist views, and I have ample experiences where that’s not the case, then your assertion needs more study or nuance. Because I’m not asserting that no one is racist or anything, I’m just saying it’s cultural/religious/ideological/etc programming and not a default or if it is it’s not one with any significant impact if the person is assimilating to the culture around them (which again I think the problem is when people DON’T assimiliate).

All I can say is that from the number of cool people I’ve met and hung out with and been friends with of various races, to me it all looks the same: most of the people from various groups are cool, and a handful of them are just plain assholes, just like white people lol


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@Rollo
lol holy shit. But he pretty much taunted Anonymous (if you don’t respect Anonymous’ abilities you’re an idiot lol) AND initiated the rule that “doxxing is okay” escalating the fight with doxxing feminists and journalists etc, so if he went into this expecting NOT to end up doxx’ed, that’s pretty naive.

Maybe Julien’s “lay low and let it blow over” strategy makes more sense now to the Cernovich types that were going on about “just stand up to them bro, double-down on the offense!!” lol You can’t take the entire world head-on like that.

Living in his mother’s basement lol amazing. I don’t even know what to say. I feel BAD making jokes…but shit, he WANTED attention and he got it.

Maybe his plan is to look SO pathetic that the masses lay off just out of pity for him? I mean, I doubt he’s even getting DEATH THREATS at this point, I’d bet the majority of what he’s getting is just laughter and making fun of him and orders of pizza to his parent’s house. I mean, he could just blow right through to the other side of this lol

I wonder what will happen Saturday night…will his cult of LARP’ers put on their armor and grab their foam swords and go forth into the world, or will they realize that Roosh is probably not the best role model to be following.

In reality though, where will Roosh be in say 6 months, when this blows over? His parents weren’t involved in his shit so people aren’t going to harrass them much if at all, everyone knows Roosh is the douchebag in this and people will get bored of attacking him once he hides in the shadows for a while and stops poking the bear. Surely he’s going to lose a good chunk of his followers just out of embarrassment, while the others double-down in support of him. I can’t imagine many guys checking out his stuff NOW and being swayed, they’ll probably look at his shit but then end up in TRP/TRM/PUA/MRA/MGTOW sites instead of sticking around.

But in terms of income, this has to hurt his chances at becoming an outrage pundit…BEFORE this I could see places like The Rebel or Milo giving him interviews because who knows maybe he IS living this jet-set lifestyle touring around Europe wearing his custom-fitted Dr Oz suit banging 10s etc but now it’s like, he’s a dude trolling from his mom’s basement LARP’ing about masculinity.

I can’t imagine anyone caring about his side of the story or his views on how shitty women are etc and giving him a platform for it anymore lol

That all said, if anyone’s going to have accounted for all this and made self-sacrifice a part of their master strategy ala Dr Oz etc, it’s going to be Roosh. I keep thinking “there’s no way this guy could be this naive” but I don’t even know anymore lol

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@The Question @Rollo
“I see nothing positive about the DM story for Roosh; it was clearly intended to destroy his credibility with his readers/followers. This is the worst possible outcome I could imagine right now for him.”

Right. From a strategic perspective, discrediting him is the best thing that could happen for the MSM and the worst thing for him, that’s why they’re jumping on the mommy basement dweller stuff so hard. Like beating him up or killing him would just make him a martyr, but embarrass him (or allow him to embarrass himself) and his followers or potential followers won’t take him seriously anymore.

They tried it with Julien and Tyler and Jeffy except those guys actually DO go out and travel the world and bang hot girls and have tons of infield footage to show it and their followers know they stress to calibrate and not hate women (even in that Japan seminar that got Julien in trouble) etc, and they know to lay low when they get attacked and let society’s current outrage-of-the-week nature move onto the next target and then resume business as usual when it’s died down. They aren’t trying to appeal to the masses, they have their niche audience and stick to it so they can just fold up shop for a bit and then come back. I don’t think they’ve taken ANY kind of hit really, aside from not being able to have specific instructors tour in a few specific places, nothing that would affect their bottom line.

Whereas Roosh has a collection of articles that, if you decide to believe he’s the jet set James Bond player the RVF users all LARP they are, are an interesting read, but if the guy writing them loses your respect, they’re just a bitter dude’s ranting and raving. At least after Dr Oz you see him on there in a suit and ya, he comes off kind of autistic but he looks like he might be successful.

On the plus side this will basically give the MSM a huge bone to chew on for a while to give zero fucks about attacking the rest of the MRA/TRP/PUA/MGTOW/etc communities…like this is hitting the lottery jackpot for them. He lives up to every stereotype they want everyone in these communities to live up to lol Anytime anyone brings up ANYTHING red pill, the first thing that will be posted is “lol oh look it’s another Roosh! Does your mom know you’re posting this misogyny??”

Not great for getting guys to find the information, which is unfortunate, but Roosh’s goal was never to actually help men anyway.

This version is my favorite lol:

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Always a Gavin fan:

http://www.therebel.media/roosh_v_pro_rape_sexist_racist_homophobe_or

I think Roosh’s biggest problem is that he just isn’t charismatic enough to say these things and get away with it and he doesn’t understand that. His vibe is that he’s a creepy autistic weirdo. No one looks at Gavin and thinks “that guy is gonna rape someone” when he supports Roosh’s idea, but you watch Roosh’s videos and unless you’re a die-hard follower of theirs, it’s like “this guy makes me uncomfortable”, just like Aurini’s videos. Tyler is a little off here and there but for the most part him and Julien etc are all pretty charismatic and calibrated so they can say outlandish things…and all of them started out really awkward in their first videos/speeches but worked on becoming more charismatic over time because it’s vital when you’re trying to present non-PC ideas even as thought experiments.

Like Milo could present Roosh’s exact rape satire proposal thing and come off as just a cheeky lovable rogue with an idea that makes everyone think and riles up his usual haters. But Roosh fits the stereotypes of a guy who WOULD want to hold meetings to “legalize rape” lol


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omg it’s better than I could have ever hoped for:

http://www.returnofkings.com/79680/why-international-meetup-day-was-cancelled

There aren’t enough facepalms in the WORLD for this.


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lol Roosh’s piece is blatantly sarcastic/satire. I read it back when he first posted it and thought it was a clever way of pointing out a flaw in the whole “you go grrrl” lack of responsibility/accountability feminism has pushed. It makes it VERY clear that it’s just exposing a flaw in people’s logic and isn’t ACTUALLY a suggestion or push for anything.

The reason we aren’t flipping out like chickens with our head cut off about it is because we actually read it and understand that Swift didn’t REALLY want babies to be eaten. Calm your tits dude lol

“She’s supposedly being playful when she invites him to do so, but she quickly licks her lips while asking him, she can’t help herself. Hindbrain fully activated. I see these kinds of tells everywhere now, it’s absolutely fucking nuts.”

Yup. They can’t resist when their hindbrain is triggered…except that most guys will watch this and think “see, it’s looks that matter!!” because that dude is good looking and they’ll miss that what triggers her hindbrain are primarily his subcomms (a guy who looks like him but is shy and meek and beta won’t get the same response).

@scribblerg @sun wukong @forge the sky @rollo @culum struam @sentient @uhhhh can’t remember who else is out sarging I’m tired lol

And on that note I present Tyler’s newest infield vid which is mandatory watching for any guy studying game (skip to 3:35 unless you want to see Tyler’s house…not quite his mother’s basement lol). I hate posting this in a non-pickup related article but for the guys going out tonight or who plan to go out next weekend to mack the lonely Valentine’s Day girls, posting it now gives them time to watch and analyze it:

This is an hour long MASSIVELY in-depth breakdown of a sarge by Tyler. Some of the best infield footage you’ll see, better than Julien’s SHIFT infield in my opinion. The first part is him yapping a bunch explaining dynamics and stuff before he gets to the actual footage but this is an hour of EXTREMELY valuable shit. Block out an hour or so of time to watch it and re-watch it paying attention to everything going on, from what Tyler is saying/doing, to what the girl is saying/doing/responding, to what the people around them are saying/doing.

Shit to pay attention to (watch the footage first and then read this and see how many of these things your brain noticed, and what else did you notice that I DIDN’T write down?):

– he’s low-energy after the open, not crazy dancing monkey, just verbals primarily
– they’re both sober
– he’s sarging a girl who’s with her MOM (would you even TRY that?? Let alone try to PULL in front of her mom?)
– Tyler is dressed in plain clothes, just a plain shirt (OMG)
– you can see some man-boob when Tyler leans back
– Tyler is shorter than her
– Tyler is fatter than her
– there are better looking guys there than Tyler
– she’s dolled up to the 9s
– she’s in shape with toned arms/body etc
– she’s towering over him in those heels

– she’s WAY out of his looks range going by society’s standards, he should NOT be able to get her to chase him, he should be chasing her and hoping to get a nut, and any guy better looking than Tyler should get her, going by society’s blue pill conditioning

– she’s neutral about him at first, like ya he’s fun but whatever take or leave him, compare that to the end of the clip after he’s gamed her

– he uses preselection/jealousy plotlines to open other girls when she stops giving him attention (and look at her reaction to seeing him open other girls in front of her…that’s the same thing Julien demonstrates in some of his infield, playing the girls off eachother instead of standing around like a chode when she shit-tests you paying attention to another guy or ignoring you), he doesn’t even need to DO anything with the other girls he knows he just needs the minimum with them to trigger preselection in his target

– he calibrates his escalation (not triggering ASD or judgement from her mom, and he’s CONSCIOUSLY doing this and EXPLAINS it in the breakdown)

– he disqualifies her a bunch and makes her chase his validation and reacts HARD when he calls her stuck-up or does a push etc

– and she DOES chase him, HARD, once he’s hooked her she’s chasing to almost an embarrassing level

– she compliments the fuck out of him, WAY more than he should be complimented by

– he never tells her what he does for a living or how much money he has etc and he’s CLEARLY not the hottest guy in the venue and wasn’t all night, so she’s not chasing him based on his Armani suit or $5000 watch or the mansion he lives in (remember he started out living on a mattress in a closet lol) or anything, he doesn’t even buy her a drink even when it would be EASIER to buy her a drink, so MONEY is irrelevant

– she shit-tests him CONSTANTLY and he blows through them all and every time he blows through a shit-test her attraction spikes, it’s a BLATANT correlation, that’s why you should LOVE when girls shit-test you, it’s a chance to spike her attraction and fuck her FASTER

– he does TONS of push/pull

– better looking taller in better shape RSD Brad, who looks-matter guys would say should get the girl, comes in when Tyler does a takeaway and she’s wearing his shades when he comes back, but she has zero interest in him because he’s not giving her emotional impact like Tyler is…not only is she not into him but she tells him to go away and dismisses him so she can talk to Tyler more. Tyler even MAKES her feel Brad’s chest/pecs, because he knows it won’t matter that Brad is better looking than him. She ignores some other guys too, with cool british accents and shit, I think aussie Natural Alex is in the suit at the start but his face is blurred out now and he’s invisible (despite the suit, tho he’s SHORT so OBVIOUSLY that’s what it is lol) once he pats her tummy and tells her he’s going to put his seed in it lol (EMOTIONAL IMPACT)

– Tyler AMOGs the other guys in the bar and stresses to her “you’ll miss me when I’m gone and you have to talk to these guys” stuff like Julien does in his SHIFT infield, where he sets himself apart from the other guys and reminds the girl “look all these other guys are LAME compared to me, you should appreciate that shit” because with the amount of validation they have on Tinder and txting and instagram etc they sometimes forget that…would this girl pick Tyler if she saw him on Tinder? Fuck no lol Tyler’s ugly-ass profile next to some Brad or Chad Thundercock? She’s not going to pick Tyler…but in PERSON where Tyler can EXPRESS his personality and give her EMOTIONAL IMPACT, she doesn’t even look at her phone reading her txts and shit while they interact…this is why I say to the guys who are like “ohhh girls check their phones all the time on dates and stuff it’s such bullshit western women suck” No dipshit, you are just BORING.

– and on that note this girl probably has no idea what Tyler’s shoes look like or whether his belt matches his shoes and doesn’t care what kind of watch he’s wearing, because he’s giving her enough EMOTIONAL IMPACT for that shit to not MATTER…she only looks at that stuff when you’re passively standing around hoping she chooses you out of the lineup which is chode behavior (listen to Tyler’s breakdown of LEADING and how that’s masculine shit), or when you’re running WEAK BORING GAME with NO EMOTIONAL IMPACT and she has to find things OTHER than the emotions you’re giving her to base her decision on

– Tyler passes the no drinking/drugs shit-test with a SOLID old man frame, I like his response about happiness and how poor/weak people need substances to feel happy…hotter girls who are high self-esteem tend to feel the same way. Guys who don’t approach act like “oh the hotter she is the bitchier she is” but the really hot cool girls are often the MOST FUN girls in the bar even when she’s stone cold sober

– he refuses to buy her drinks, no budging on his frame even when he probably could have at the very end to keep her there and most guys would lol

– lol @ his response about looks…”And what are YOU, Buddy??” “Perfection.” lol

– she keeps calling him Buddy to try to act like she isn’t into him (ASD protection) and to shit-test him to see if he panics that he might end up in the friend-zone

– when she wants the number close while Tyler backturns her, note how she lurks there like a CHODE…this girl WAY out of his looks range is standing there “welllll it was nice meeting you…maybe we’ll cross path–” “NO!!!! (backturn again)” 99% of guys would be asking this girl for her number but Tyler KNOWS to torture her a bit so she appreciates it, you can literally see how confused she is that he isn’t trying to get her number when she’s saying she’s leaving, it blows her MIND

– he is pushing HARD for the full pull, she’s with her MOM and he’s STILL like “nah I can pull her”, so when he DOES get the number it’s ROCK SOLID because he’s shown intent and entitlement that he EXPECTS to pull her…whereas 99% of guys would see “oh she’s with her mom I’ll just drop in and try to get a number and move on” and be coming from an ENTIRELY different frame…the goal is not a NUMBER, the goal is FUCKING HER, you only take a number when you CAN’T fuck her, after pushing HARD for it, and you make her invest and chase to make that number solid

Now wrap your head around this…whether this girl is your personal type or not (pointy elbows and all that), from an objective point of view she is WAY out of Tyler’s looks range and is a girl that a lot of guys would never approach, and if they DID approach they would get a smile from her and then move on happily validated or with a number that flakes.

And yet, you can see her TRYING to ditch her mom because she’s DYING to go home with him…it’s RIDICULOUS, she’s even blatantly MAD at her mom for cockblocking her and not LETTING her FUCK TYLER! …TYLER!!

TYLER. The guy who started out as a loser sperglord virgin who should have been weeded out of evolution, that everyone would say “get looks and money bro” or tell him to settle for some fat wife because that’s all he deserves by society’s standards sorry bro you just got dealt a bad hand in the genetics department oh well just be happy with scraps

– he gets a ROCK SOLID number close, AND she even tells him what hotel she’s at because she’s hoping he’ll figure out how to kidnap/fuck her

– she LOVES him by the end of it…he’s the most amazing guy she’s ever met in her life. Would she swipe him right on Tinder? No way…but IN PERSON? She’s amazed by this little plain shirt wearing balding ginger

– also watch her hindbrain slipups, like “How will your mom feel about you coming home with me?” “She won’t like it!! –uhhh I mean!!!” She’s already thinking about going home with him because he’s triggering hindbrain attraction shit

– she tries to shit-test him by trying to get rid of him at points telling him to hit on other girls so he can get laid (separating herself from the other girls etc) and he turns it around on her like a boss

– the funniest one is “come with me” “no” “good you’re not invited, you’re too stuck-up and too skinny and full of yourself new york girl” and she WHIPS around like “o no u didn’t” lol It’s SO blatant, just pure hindbrain responses he’s purposely triggering and note that he’s not INSULTING her, he’s teasing her about stuff he knows she’s secure about (her weight and personality etc), it’s not MALICIOUS. But the point is that when she doesn’t play along he takes the dangling string away from her

– this is some advanced shit but toward the end he tones things WAAAAAY down so he isn’t even acknowledging her shit-tests anymore and he becomes way more laconic and aloof and unreactive compared to the start…he’s explained in another video that he does this on purpose to solidify the number because if you’re the crazy fun woo guy who’s spiking her temp through the roof all night, she’ll exchange numbers sure but she’ll flake when she gets the text and she’s no longer in that crazy mood because you’re the crazy fun bar guy from the bar and live in the bar in her mind…but Tyler lowers the energy so that she can actually picture hanging out with him in her normal REAL life outside of the bar. This is all conscious strategy

– note that he subtly picks the side to stand on that her back/face is facing away from her mom (mini-isolation). This is that step to the side thing I talk about where you try to make the girls face their backs to eachother so they feel isolated and forget their friends are watching them. This is huge. A lot of guys would fuck up and stand facing her while she’s against the bar so she can see her mom AND it looks like he’s gaming her…but the way Tyler positions himself it looks like SHE’S gaming HIM because she’s the one facing him and reacting all over the place doubling over in laughter and touching him and shit and he’s just chilled back locked in classic Mystery Method style

– minimal kino minus his opener (which demonstrates he’ll throw her around in the bedroom), no crazy high-fives and shit necessary through the rest of the interaction, Tyler is doing less and less as the sarge goes on, becoming more and more laconic and making her do more and more of the work/investment

– note that Tyler doesn’t get much rapport/comfort with this girl. He doesn’t know what she does for a living or what she does in school or anything, I don’t think they even exchanged names until the end. It’s 100% energy and the rapport he DOES get is bonding over like, their in-jokes and their people-watching observations and their views on health and stuff, but there’s no real deep traditional “tell me about a hobby you’re passionate about” or “what is it you love about being an (insert job)?” like we would do in 2005…personally I think this is because girls don’t need much comfort/rapport anymore, like a girl will just COME OVER to netflix & chill instead of needing to go on a date etc, they’re weirdly comfortable and I think part of it is that guys are so harmless these days that they know they can go over to netflix & chill and if they aren’t into it the guy will be too pussy to make a move anyway etc etc I’ve talked about this 2015/2016 shit before lol But note how little you need to know about her and she needs to know about you, to have enough attraction to pull or get a solid number…Tyler will be a HUGE puzzle/mystery to her that she’ll want to solve because he hasn’t laid all his cards out yet and he has PLENTY of topics to talk to her about as she earns his interest, VS the resume exchange off the hello that most normal guys do

Tons to learn from this footage and the breakdown of all the nuances and stuff that Tyler goes into. This shit is mandatory viewing.

Careful if you head out tonight, I wouldn’t blame anyone taking the night off to avoid being accused of being one of Roosh’s cult members just because you’re approaching girls, that shit is ALL OVER THE PLACE on Facebook and everything. After tonight no one will give a shit but tonight there’s a chance there are people out on the prowl to hassle anyone they see opening girls.

Also on @roosh
His press conference is at 7pm an hour before the meetups were supposed to be…I will slow-clap if his press conference is a “gotcha” and he’s like “The meetings have NOT been cancelled, they’re all still happening, we faked it to throw all you idiots off and I was only at my mom’s house for a few days when I was passing through town dumbasses, NEOMASCULINITY WINS!!!” lol

I’M HOOKED, YOU ARE MY FAVORITE REALITY SHOW ROOSH.


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Also lol at the young dudes dying their hair grey thing. It’s exactly what the poster said, they’re trying to signal that they have maturity, wisdom, oak tree solid internals, etc that us older guys have. It’s hilarious to me because when I was in my 20s I thought I would be fucked when I hit 30 like oh no I’ll be OLD old guys can’t get young hot girls!! Now I’m mid-30s and getting more solid attraction than in my 20s because now I have my subcomms and internals down that were shaky in my 20s and compared to those 20s squirrels I look like a rock solid oak tree.

I can’t WAIT till I have grey hair, I’ll look badass. Once Batman VS Superman comes out and girls see old-ass Ben Affleck with grey hair being awesome the clamor for older men is going to skyrocket lol ’cause Ben isn’t full out Liam Neeson old, he’s the perfect fantasy version of an old man just like Duchoveny in Californication.


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@Culum
Had to share it, this shit is gold. I don’t think guys learning game now even realize how much us oldschool guys would’ve KILLED for infield footage like this. We had to figure this shit out based on text descriptions and go field-test everything to try to see the various reactions to different shit in person because we didn’t have this kind of footage to learn from. I remember looking at potato-quality videos in like 160p trying to decipher what was going on or listening to brutal quality audio with loud club music booming and parts cutting out and shit trying to get an idea of what pickup is supposed to look like.

Even Tyler, part of why he was travelling around hunting down the best PUAs to go sarge with was to see them in action because there was no footage of any of this shit.

If you had dropped a video like this, with a breakdown as in-depth as Tyler’s (or Julien’s in SHIFT), we would have all shit BRICKS.

“Incidentally, a quick glance of that clip suggests it’s from the new Hot Seat – the thing that I’ve signed up for to do in a few months..”

Tyler just put up another vid recently where he shows the entire crowd as he walks in full cult cheering status (who will build a bigger cult faster, Tyler or Roosh? Maybe they’ll fight to the death one day lol) showing their faces and shit, so like, again be careful and ask them about having your face blurred etc ’cause RSD will be conflated with Roosh’s rape-meetings and evil MRAs and all that shit, imagine if your face was at the front of one of Roosh’s neomasculinity seminars right now lol

So be careful!

I’m not a big fan of the exercise stuff like everyone jumping around and getting in state and everything, I just like the brass tacks technical infield breakdown hotseat footage, but it sounds like the hotseat @ home thing will come with more footage like this which is pretty awesome. I’ll be checking it out when it hits the torrents of course lol


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Also part of why Tyler’s “he’s a rape-monster loooook raaaapeeee!!!” stuff didn’t stick during the Julien fiasco is that anyone can look at Tyler’s infield vids and see preselection aka girls loving him and having fun in their interactions with him (whereas Julien’s footage is a little harder to see the girls are having fun because he’s doing more hardcore polarizing stuff in the snippets he shows to gain infamy).

There’s zero footage of Roosh interacting with women, let alone them LOVING interacting with him, all we have is a few old pics of him with girls that don’t really show anything and his creepy Angry Birds “hide in the shadows until she’s alone” strategy video lol And in some documentary I remember him getting shot down by a girl. But like, because he has no visible preselection out there, people can project whatever they want onto his game, so the people who think he’s a creepy rapist picture a creepy rapist approaching girls out and creeping them out and raping them lol

Whereas when you hear Tyler abuses women and rapes them and then you see an hour of footage where girls are telling him he’s amazing and chasing him and voluntarily 3-way making out with him and going home for 3-somes etc having the time of their lives, that accusation doesn’t really stick.

And if Roosh went out and collected footage NOW it would be too late, his reputation is already shot and people would say they were all paid actresses…they say the same thing about RSD, but RSD has SO MUCH infield footage and the girls reactions are so natural that it starts to seem silly. Like if the chick in his hour long footage I just posted is an ACTRESS, she should win a fucking Oscar for how natural and realistic her reactions are lol Anyone who goes out can see that that chick is behaving exactly like girls actually behave when you do what Tyler’s doing.

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@Emily
“Rape on private property being legal… So basically if I’m hanging out at a male friend’s house, and he, God forbid, rapes me. That would be legal because it’s my fault for being such a slut?”

That would make you think twice about voluntarily buying and downing 20 shots of tequila at the bar after popping a bunch of molly and then Tindering a dozen random guys you don’t know to come to your place while you’re shitfaced barely able to stand, or hopping in a random car with guys you don’t know to go back to their place for an afterparty by yourself, or going over to a guy you don’t know’s place to netflix & chill as a first date instead of somewhere public with witnesses to make sure they aren’t freakshows, wouldn’t it? Because those are the kinds of things <25yo "nothing bad can ever happen to me and I should be able to do whatever I want and bad guys should just not be bad guys" girls are doing these days. You old chicks probably don't see it much but I'd imagine a guy like Rollo would like to make sure his daughter understands that some of these things are a bad idea that can lead to bad consequences and teach her some common sense to avoid these situations that other girls are voluntarily walking into like lemmings off a cliff.

It's a thought experiment to get women to think "hmm, you know, maybe these aren't wise decisions just like walking around the ghetto flashing wads of money at night or leaving your doors unlocked or walking through a dark alley at night isn't a wise decision". Obviously not all rapes can be prevented, no one is saying that all rapes are the victim's fault and happen this way, but every night I'm out at the bars/clubs I see girls doing shit that I just shake my head at and think "man, that chick is probably going to end up raped, wtf is she thinking doesn't she understand how dangerous that is???" and a little common sense and accountability would have them hopping in a cab home instead of hopping in a car with 3 guys in it slowly driving by the bars at last call saying "hey want a ride home?"

He's not saying it SHOULD be the law, he's using a "what would happen if that WAS the law…" thought experiment to point out how little women use common sense these days.

Roosh's biggest mistake was expecting people in this 140 char twitter ADD culture to be able to read an entire article instead of just getting outraged and emotional over the headline or basing their opinion on summaries from other people like Emily just did lol It's like a huge version of the telephone game and it's sad to see how retarded society has become.

Can't believe I'm having to defend Roosh lol


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@redlight
“there is nothing better than arguing with Emily about RooshV”

lol got sucked into it, should’ve reloaded before hitting Post and deleted mine. I just hate ignorance…it’s painful to read. Anyone can just go read his article for themselves, but they don’t because if they did and they still don’t get that it’s satire/irony/a thought experiment/whatever, then they’re just dumb lol

I want the world to be smarter but it seems like the world is getting dumber. Swift today would be hate-mobbed while people like Emily yap about how “you know I really don’t think legalizing eating babies is a good idea guise there’s something that should be done to help with the food shortage but this isn’t it >.>” lol


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IT’S HABBENING!!

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlBaYMpoxL

The cringe…oh god the cringe.


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He’s not even defending himself he’s BITCHING THEM OUT!! hahaha I don’t even know how to process this.


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@Rollo
Full version but shitty camera angle…this is probably the most charismatic/energetic I’ve ever seen Roosh lol:

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1djxXalZgPBKZ

This first one I linked misses the first few min but has a better angle and you get to see more of Roosh waving his arms around:

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlBaYMpoxL

His followers are rallying up as though he destroyed these guys but the comments that pop up through the video disagree lol

I’ll give him credit in that he’s at least trying to make specific points and keep on track for his point, but so much of this comes off as whining and playing the victim that it’s hard to say how this’ll go down. And bitching out like 6 journalists isn’t going to do anything…these guys aren’t going to go back to Vice Huffpo etc and be like “you know, we really misunderstood this guy”

But fucking lol’s for asking the reporter if he even lifts

He’s wrapping it up for 8pm and mentions he’s going out drinking so I imagine this isn’t the end of this weekend’s adventures. Probably meeting up with some ROK dudes and has more plans for the rest of the night/weekend.

I’m still not sure how any of this helps men. lol


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“You’d think if I raped someone, at least ONE woman would come forward saying I raped her, but none have come forward…not ONE has come forward to say I raped her”

…oh Roosh.

The second video clears up nice in parts in the second half of it if you want some full-screen Roosh action.


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“So if we have to go underground, I’ll go underground…we never had a goal where we have to do everything in PUBLIC.”

lol. Of course you didn’t, Roosh. I am thoroughly entertained by this.


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Whoops, this might not be good for his income:

https://www.change.org/p/amazon-com-amazon-stop-selling-rooshv-daryush-valizadeh-rape-books?recruiter=1520857&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive

“So far today, two women who’ve read up about Roosh V (Daryush Valizadeh) and his views on rape, women and ‘dating’ have ended up being physically sick. It’s that repugnant. His books, the ‘Bang’ series, are a thinly veiled guide to getting away with rape. He’s campaigned to end rape — by calling for it to be made legal.”

Physically sick?? OMG BURN THE BOOKS!!! PROTECT THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!

“I’m not going to link his site here; it’s too awful. If you want to read up, I am warning you; it’s grim. Help us shut him down. We stopped Julien Blanc getting a visa for the UK — let’s see if we can make Amazon hear us.”

Why WOULD you link the site, it’s not like people will read it before being outraged anyway. lol If we could just do away with this whole “evidence” and “due process” thing women would be a LOT safer.

I wonder if he’ll register any connection between joining the doggy pile on RSD/Julien and this. The RVF forums lol’ed at RSD as much as we’re lol’ing at Roosh now but we are full out into “destroy anyone we don’t like” territory.

@Anonymous Reader
“Showing your age? Women for much more trivial reasons.”

Yup. Walk around a bar district after midnight and you’ll see crazy bitches fighting over all sorts of stupid shit. Why wouldn’t they, there’s no consequence and if anyone kicks their ass a bunch of dudes will jump in to stop it.


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@Blaximus
lol it’s more that they’re figuring out the way to hurt Roosh is to fuck with him being able to sell his books, whether the petition works or not. Like shaming him, mobbing him, lying about him, etc doesn’t really matter, but if he can’t sell his books and/or his websites go down so he can’t make ad revenue, he’s in trouble ’cause he can’t go get a normal job now.

@Niko
A chick can false accuse you of stuff even if you don’t go near her or even know her so my view is like well I might as well get laid at least lol In all seriousness thouogh, through red pill/PUA we can at least understand what kind of stuff helps prevent women we’re around from getting into that mindset of “I want to hurt this guy” or “I need attention and this is the way to get it”. That’s why I think MGTOWs should learn some basic game, because odds are they’re going to have to deal with women at LEAST in the workplace if not dating occasionally at some point in their 40-whatever years, and it would benefit them to understand what Buyer’s Remorse is and how to prevent/diffuse it, how to avoid triggering ASD, how to handle drama, etc. That’s why I think it’s dumb for the different groups to fight…like PUAs should understand MRA shit, a lot of PUAs will get burned because they’re oblivious to the realities of marriage/divorce laws/court, family court, etc a lot of them think once they settle it’ll just be a happily ever after thing. I fully expect Tyler/Julien/etc to get burned. MGTOWs and MRAs should understand some PUA stuff instead of dismissing it. Like, men should be prepared in all aspects and it’s sad to me that they’re all too arrogant to look at the other groups’ work.

@Truman
lol that’s just a guy running social circle game, nothing crazy (and he’s spending way more money than he needs to to do it). I fully plan to run that style of game when I’m older…like I love the bar scene and I love cold approach, but realistically while cold approach is the best for building your skillset and keeping it sharp (since you get ZERO leeway in cold approach to be sloppy and have sticking points, the field will shove them in your face), it’s also the least efficient way of actually getting laid. Warm social circle game is the easiest way. And I figure when I’m in my late 40s I might get tired of hitting the bar scene the way I am now and I’ll want to make things easier, so I fully intend to start building my network and befriending staff everywhere (bars and around the area I live) while living near a university/college campus somewhere etc etc That way if I’m still gaming in my late 40s and 50s+ I’ll be doing it the easy way. Part of why Roosh is run-down and jaded with pickup is that he’s still having to cold approach the hard way and I don’t think he’s ever really ENJOYED it, he talks like he just does it because he HAS to.

@Culum
Yup, it doesn’t take much when you start understanding this stuff. A good exercise to do is that even though you wouldn’t bang her in that situation, think about how you COULD HAVE. How COULD you have handled the boring old uncle and created a situation there where you could have isolated and escalated on her all the way to sex, not just a pleasant conversation. Think about if you had a gun to your head, how would you have been able to do it?

“I figure it’s just more beta bait to keep the drip going”

Yup. I would just send “lol” or not respond since Whatsapp will tell her I saw her message so it’s like “he saw it but didn’t respond”. Or I would escalate it with “pics or it didn’t happen” so she sends pics instead of a stupid text description. But I can’t remember if you’re trying to get rid of her or bang her lol

@Rollo
Roosh conference on YouTube, probably the best quality one:

It’s not horrible, rewatching it today. But the news stories are of course focusing on the stuff they got him off-track on, like his view of Cosby and politics and whatever…for the most part he made sure to go “look I’m not here to talk about my views on such and such I’m here to talk about this incident” but their job is to get him off track and a guy like Roosh wants to talk about his views on everything.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/06/pro-rape-leader-endorses-donald-trump.html

Cernovich is trying his best to reframe the whole thing so he can keep Roosh’s dick in his mouth as usual lol:

Meanwhile I hope these poor guys who will probably be doxxed and fired as “pro-rape advocates who want to legalize raping women” feel it was worth it, I’m sure Roosh will acknowledge their sacrifice for his empire lol:


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@Rollo
I don’t have Twitter, you wanna send this to Roosh?

Looks like some of his cult members almost got shot & brass-knuckled (hoodie guy looks pretty serious about shooting them). Much as I don’t like Roosh, these guys seem to have been planning some illegal shit and his followers should probably be careful.


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Looks like neomasculinity was unable to take on the entire world:

http://www.rooshv.com/announcement-the-meetup-on-february-6-is-cancelled

RVF is invisible now, probably still there but just hidden unless you’re logged in. Anonymous was looking to hack them and expose all their E-Mail addresses and PMs etc

But hey maybe it’s just a troll bluff to throw the hate mobs off. Or maybe there were no meetups planned to begin with and the whole thing was a PR stunt from day one.

Either way, they attracted some pretty serious mobs like the Antifa who probably aren’t real deep into “Swiftian satire” lol

I don’t think even Blaximus would fuck with them lol

But don’t worry, Aurini will save the day:

“They tend to be young men filled with a sense of frustration and inadequacy, who seek out “fascists” to assault to prove their manhood (note: neomasculinity is not a fascist organization, it is largely apolitical, focusing on the Classical Greek virtues, with somewhat of a libertarian bend). If Antifas harass you, there will be safety in small groups. Ultimately these street thugs are cowardly, and if you stand your ground they will back off. If they insist on harassing you, speak bluntly and to the point. Do not argue.”

He doesn’t sound concerned, but then I wouldn’t be either if I was also a master of kung-fu like him:

I wouldn’t pick on Aurini this much normally but he’s propped himself up as Roosh’s right-hand man in their LARP’ing Braveheart army so now he’s fair game lol


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@The Question
“Posting the locations, times, and password publicly, like you said, was guaranteed to get the response it did, and I don’t understand how he thought it would turn out differently. With this sort of thing you can’t be ready, fire, aim.”

I come here for Rollo’s take on Roosh’s actions because I don’t know enough about marketing and branding and stuff to really get why he’d do what he’s doing, but at the same time I don’t think Roosh is DUMB and just oblivious like “oh I didn’t expect the MSM to call us rape groups AGAIN, oh I thought Dr Oz would be kind to me, etc etc”.

But I don’t understand how all that shit works enough to be like “it’s obvious he’s doing this for this reason”. Rollo gets that world though so I’m eager to see his read on all this after we see how everything pans out on Saturday lol

My GUESS at this point is that the meetups are still on and this is to throw the mobs off and Roosh will post another victory video Saturday night, but I have no idea. He doesn’t even really NEED anyone to meet up, or to leave his apartment, he’s getting the free publicity either way.


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A ton of my buddies are minorities lol most of them are 2nd gen or whatever it’s called (I don’t even care enough to learn the lingo) where their parents are from elsewhere and they’re born & raised here. They have the same general “good for society” values beliefs etc that we all have (hell if anything a lot of the ones with really strict traditional parents are more Blue Pill than I was and some of them joke with me that they’re whiter than I am) whether some of them have bigger dicks or are better at basketball or are smarter or whatever and most of them are embarrassed about how “traditional” their parents are. Very few of them are hardcore into whatever beliefs their parents brought over.

And the thing we all agree on is we all wanna fuck hot white chicks. :D

That said I do run into the crowds who don’t want to assimilate at all and they’re a very different group from the guys I roll with. To me the “tendency to do whatever” is all cultural (I think the guys who don’t see it that way tend not to have many cool friends of other races) and the problems come from not wanting to assimilate (or being encouraged NOT to assimilate (move here but keep your culture as-is, big groups moving at the same time and creating a mini-version of their home where as a group no one assimilates), or not having time/incentive to assimilate etc etc).

But there’s nothing biologically hard-wired into my buddies to like fried chicken and steal TVs and go jihad on foreign devils lol and if there was it would be such an insignificant hard-wiring that my buddies all have managed to overcome it by watching western television when they were kids lol

Most of my “super intelligent Asian” buddies are successful. But they also grew up with parents who pushed the fuck out of them to study and work hard. They might have a little genetic boost from evolution, who knows, but like, they aren’t just magically naturally gifted…they were forced into a solid work ethic from babyhood…I know ’cause I was the kid running around their lawn waiting for them to finish their extra studying and fancy musical instrument lessons etc so we could go play in the dirt like retards lol

That all said, while I don’t get into race discussions because this stuff is retarded to me and would be to my minority buddies (a TON of PUAs are minorities esp Asian and Indian lol ’cause their belief systems are all fucked up Blue Pill western bullshit combined with super strict “sex is bad” repressed bullshit from their traditional parents), I appreciate that TR has kept his cool and is just dropping logic. Whether I agree or disagree with him, he’s handled himself well in the face of people trying to be e-badasses and projecting all sorts of baggage and exaggerations of what he’s actually written onto him.

Personally I don’t care for a hugbox, and prefer debate/education to “STFU FUCK YOUUUUU” and I’d much rather hear what the “other side” says in the form that TR is presenting it VS the CH comment section of racial slurs and nonsense. But I’m just passing through this month lol


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On Roosh:

I agree that this is a pretty big hit for him…that’s why I think he HAS to have a victory video planned and act like oh all the meetings went off without a hitch cancelling was just a ruse, like he CAN’T have just simply cancelled everything and now he goes back to business as usual because the ENTIRE FOUNDATION of neomasculinity is that we’re the Braveheart manly army who doesn’t back down from anyone no matter what because we’re LARP’ing and don’t understand real world consequences.

Like if Roosh DOES basically just fold up and post emo shit on his Twitter about how unfair it all was, I mean, *I* wouldn’t hold it against him because I knew from the start that kicking the beehive was a retarded strategy…but that basically goes DIRECTLY against the whole LARP-crowd’s belief system that they can take on the world and Roosh is the next revolutionary leader willing to get carved up on a slab of stone shouting “FREEDOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!” for his beliefs.

Maybe Roosh didn’t watch to the end of the movie?

If I was one of his neomasculinity supporters I would be looking at this like “wait wut? I was all gung-ho and he caved?? well wtf is the point of this movement then? This is just MRA/PUA/TRP/etc-Lite. This was supposed to be the movement that out-alphas all those other movements! I posted so many animated gifs from Braveheart and Gladiator!! Was it all for nothing??”

The other funny aspect of it to me is that for a bunch of “neomasculine” men they’re reverting to the exact same behavior as women/feminists lol: troll a big group poking the beehive with a stick, then cry harrassment when that beehive attacks them, and try to cash in on victim-bux from your followers. I’m even seeing comments from his followers (now that they’re being taunted lol) like “oh what you think it’s un-manly for Roosh to protect his fellow man from being attacked???” Like now they’re going full victim-mode. It’s LITERALLY the exact same strategy.

How masculine can your movement be when you’re following the feminism/female-victim playbook step by step to establish it?


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@Dutchman
Props dude, you’re doing good with this even if it feels like two steps forward one step back. Gotta understand that this is your first rodeo ride, so you’re GOING to fuck it up a few times. That’s why ideally a guy has a few LTRs under his belt where he understands the red pill and can make all these mistakes safely without the loom of legal action or losing his kids etc, but you gotta play the cards you’re dealt so fuck it lol

“lol When I got home I just said “hey” to her and she now she’s playing this game where she has a hurt look on her face but goes about doing normal stuff anyway (like she’s so committed to our family that she’s fighting through it even though it’s killing her inside or some BS) all because I didn’t come in and go “Okay, I’m sooooo sorry I ignored your texts all day and I’m here now and ready to supplicate!” This is a familiar shit test that she does when I try to hold frame for extended periods of time.”

The other guys’ advice was good shit. About not responding, or responding as if it was no big deal until she dwells on it then cutting it off, or responding with certainty VS doubt/indecision, etc

As for the current test it’s fine. It’s OKAY for her to feel bad emotions. She watches TV and movies because they give her a rollercoaster of the full range of emotions from good to bad, which you probably gave her when you were young and impossible to tame and she had to win you over, but now you don’t give her bad emotions because it would risk fucking up your life and family life. Keep it away from the kids, but like, it’s okay for her to go to bed angry that you didn’t apologize for something that you weren’t even wrong about. And it’s okay to NOT discuss it and have a “talk” and just dismiss it and end the discussion etc

Like I said in a reply to CaveClown a little while back:

“When what women ACTUALLY value are the emotions you make them FEEL, and they want to feel a full RANGE of emotions (again no one goes to a movie where there’s no conflict, we pay money to go see horror flicks and shit, no one would read 50 Shades of Grey if the guy was a Nice Guy instead of a tortured bad boy, the entire basis of Twilight is “if we get together I’ll end up killing you” lol).

“Why all of a sudden am I “good enough”?”

Right now CaveClown is giving his wife some dread from his IDGAF attitude and a rollercoaster of emotions, so NOW he’s triggering her Hypergamy properly…it’s funny how just a little mental shift like that can have such an effect when all the years of toiling away trying to earn her affection through the wrong channels does nothing or even pushes her away if it comes off too desperate. But when you understand “oh, you know what, it’s not my looks, it’s that I’m not treating her in the way her biology needs me to treat her” it’s like “well shit, that was a big waste of years of frustration” lol LITERALLY all you had to do, all this time, was change your mindset which changes your behaviors which provides her with the shit she needs…but you couldn’t possibly have KNOWN that because society will condition you into not knowing or believing it, or believing the opposite, and send you down a bunch of wrong channels.

You can have all the looks, money, etc in the world but if you aren’t providing her the range of emotions and occasional emotional rollercoasters she needs, you will lose attraction and she will fuck the guy who provides those, even if he’s some scrubby chubby asshole at the bar on a girl’s night out.

Why do we Soft Next a girl who’s misbehaving instead of just “convincing” her to behave better? Because radio silence and the fear of loss gives her an emotional rollercoaster that having a big long logical discussion about the situation doesn’t give her. Women run on their feels, game should be teaching you how to understand and affect those feels.”

And to Reco (where the fuck did he go anyway?):

“I’d guess the reason you’re hesitating on sending it is because you’re stuck in the paradigm of “our interaction should be positive, or non-existent”. You’re scared to give her “bad” emotions so you don’t want to send something that might offend her. You’re looking to send her some kind of cocky/funny “thinkin about me eh girl?” response that’s positive, but that’s ignoring the fact that she acted shitty (flaked on you with no warning/apology and then ignored you for 3 months). She KNOWS she acted shitty and deserves some kind of punishment. If you reward her shitty behavior with your positive attention, you will be teaching her that “if I act shitty, he’ll still like me” and she’ll just act shittier and shittier trying to get you to snap.

Why does she do that? Because she wants to see where your boundaries as a man are. She knows exactly how far she can cross her dad before he spanks her ass. And she knows she can walk all over 90% of the chodes that orbit her and they’ll let her get away with anything. She needs to see if you’re one of those chodes or if you’re like her dad who will punish her when she acts bratty (flaking, no apology, then silence for 3 months).

Why do girls watch soap operas, Twilight, movies in general? Because they get to feel the full spectrum of emotions, good AND bad. No girl wants Bella and Edward to just meet and get along and get married…they want conflict and tension and drama and fear and ya it’ll turn out good in the end but they want to feel that full range of emotions when they watch Twilight.

It’s okay to give her bad emotions when she’s earned them by being bratty. Especially on a 20yo who’s testing how far she can push guys and what she can get away with because she’s just entering her sexual/social prime and figuring out what her magic pussy will let her get away with.

If you had sent the “who’s this?” that night like I said, I could tell you what she was probably going to write back and how to get it back into a positive thing (usually she’ll test you back with a “wow you deleted me” without saying her name and you stick to your “no idea who this is” guns by sending a “apparently. who’s this and why are you calling me and hanging up?” and then she caves and says her name and usually says she dialed the wrong number by accident and you tease her saying she must have been drunk booty-calling boys and then she lols and now you’re back on a positive interaction together), but having waited, you’ll have to see what happens. It might still play out that way, but I can’t predict it now lol

You DO let her back in and turn it into a positive interaction, but you make her work for it first so she knows her behavior was shit and you don’t tolerate that. She DOES want to reconnect, that’s why she dialed you in the first place and still even has your phone number (she probably just broke up with a guy), but you don’t want to be the old guy who’s been saving her number hoping she messages you someday to save you from your lonely life. You want to be the badass old socialite who’s met so many women that you forgot she even existed and you don’t waste time on flaky girls so you deleted her number when you hadn’t heard from her in a month because that’s just the kind of guy you are. (you don’t actually delete it, you just let her think you do)

“Should I just wait her out? Or not respond anymore? I dont mind saying this whole thing is getting a little tedious to me. But I am hanging in there.”

lol this is kind of a direct result of txting becoming so popular. In the old days you only had to talk to the girl if you actually called her or she called you, so every few days or once a week you’d have one conversation. But now it’s like they can shoot you txts all fucking day and keep a conversation going and as a man it’s like “I got shit to do, i can’t txt all day”.

One thing to keep in mind is that you don’t have to respond to every txt. Try just dropping out for a few hours mid-conversation now and then. I don’t even respond if a girl sends me something like “wow it’s cold out today brrr!” It’s not worth my time. If she wants my attention she can send me something flirty that’s leading towards us hanging out.

I would go radio silent on the 33yo till Wednesday and see what happens. You’re already prepared for her to flake, so it’ll just get her hamster spinning wondering if you took some other girl out instead of her etc. If she txts you “hey are we still on for tonight?” like she intends to meet up, then ya go ahead and txt her back and go meet up and bang her. But if she txts like “hey I have bad news…” like she’s going to flake, just don’t respond at all until she coughs up “I can’t make it tonight :(” and then just give her a “k” and radio silence till Wednesday (she’ll probably send an “are you mad at me?” but you just ignore it…it’s okay for her to feel bad emotions when she does shitty behavior like flaking on you, it reminds her not to flake again) and Wednesday you just send a “no it’s fine I made other plans. we can try again sometime.” and leave it hanging…within a week or two she’ll say “hey babe I’m free wednesday!” in a way where she’s letting you know her schedule is free and hoping you’ll ask her out, and you do take that bait and ask her out because she’s been punished and probably won’t flake and then you get the bang.

Maybe I should draw this all into a flowchart hey? lol Sorry it’s confusing but re-read it a few times and write down on paper or something the different possible outcomes. This is a really common pattern you’ll run into again and again, that’s why I can explain it (and how to solve it) in depth.”


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@Rollo
“Roosh “canceling” the meet up is part of the schtick. It gives him plausible deniability if (when) some side resorts to violence at one of the 165(?) worldwide meetups.”

Solid read. Get the troops riled up then disavow any responsibility. He knows some meetups will still happen and some mobs will still happen (I’d bet a handful of mobs will still hit the meeting places just incase because for them it’s just a night out drinking so why not keep an eye out for some LARP’ers).

“My guess is that if even half of these meet ups take place after the cancellation he’ll release another victory video similar to his stage managed Battle for Toronto one.”

Right, that’s what I’m expecting.

“The problem is that being an outrage broker only works for so long before people see your game.”

I’d say the biggest problem is that he needs his followers to be an outrage machine, and the things he’s doing make his followers look retarded, endangers them, and goes against the stuff he preaches to them. Whereas like, Big Red doesn’t need followers she’s her own vortex of insanity and she has the entire mainstream on her side by default lol

Roosh without his followers is just a guy who has trouble getting laid.

https://daryushvalizadeh.wordpress.com/

Also this is like the 4th hit when Googling for “rooshv” now.

btw this war brides article was good shit. I was worried you were going into CH territory but viewing it from the “let’s you and him” fight feminization etc perspective was an interesting read and that video is a fucking buffet of hamster-logic lol

@The Question @Rollo
Holy shit lol no punches pulled.

“For a while there was a quiet peace between MRAs and the Return of Kings rape fetishists, however, recently RooshV began not only dishonestly attacking MRAs, but has pulled the interesting [unintended?] trick of making himself a media darling as an MRA. ”

What these dummies don’t get is that WE ARE ALL ONE BIG SHIT-SANDWICH TO THESE PEOPLE lol We are ALL Elliot Rogers and Julien and Roosh and Sandman and Elam, the mainstream doesn’t care about nuanced points.

@TR
“And I don’t think anybody taught me to hate anyone. I think it’s genetic.”

Well it’d be a lot easier to blame genetics that give you no personal responsibility/accountability, than it would be to accept that maybe you’re a shitty hateful person or have picked up shitty hateful beliefs over the years or have been programmed with them by the shitty hateful people around you and simply haven’t had enough exposure to the opposite side of things to have enough evidence to question/reprogram those shitty hateful beliefs. ;)

You didn’t hate anyone when you came out of the womb. Somewhere along the way you picked up some beliefs, so did your brother, unless you both lived inside an empty bubble with your eyes closed and didn’t interact with anyone or anything till you were in your teenage years. Just because you can’t articulate where things influenced you or what series of things led up to eventually influencing you, doesn’t mean that “nobody pushed this on him”. It’s not like a drug commercial from the 80s where some guy in a jean jacket at school says “hey man, black people are bad” lol

My buddies and I all hang out no problem, we aren’t stewing with hatred for eachother under the surface. Some of them are my closest friends and we’d take a bullet for eachother no questions asked. You’ve been exposed to a shitty set of experiences that has influenced your belief system, just as I’ve probably NOT been exposed to the type of shitty experiences that would lead me to have the same belief system as you (ie – I haven’t been mugged by a bunch of black dudes or lost a family member on 9/11 etc), which is why I try not to participate in race discussions. But if your assertion is that it’s genetics and they’re prone to have those racist views, and I have ample experiences where that’s not the case, then your assertion needs more study or nuance. Because I’m not asserting that no one is racist or anything, I’m just saying it’s cultural/religious/ideological/etc programming and not a default or if it is it’s not one with any significant impact if the person is assimilating to the culture around them (which again I think the problem is when people DON’T assimiliate).

All I can say is that from the number of cool people I’ve met and hung out with and been friends with of various races, to me it all looks the same: most of the people from various groups are cool, and a handful of them are just plain assholes, just like white people lol


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@Rollo
lol holy shit. But he pretty much taunted Anonymous (if you don’t respect Anonymous’ abilities you’re an idiot lol) AND initiated the rule that “doxxing is okay” escalating the fight with doxxing feminists and journalists etc, so if he went into this expecting NOT to end up doxx’ed, that’s pretty naive.

Maybe Julien’s “lay low and let it blow over” strategy makes more sense now to the Cernovich types that were going on about “just stand up to them bro, double-down on the offense!!” lol You can’t take the entire world head-on like that.

Living in his mother’s basement lol amazing. I don’t even know what to say. I feel BAD making jokes…but shit, he WANTED attention and he got it.

Maybe his plan is to look SO pathetic that the masses lay off just out of pity for him? I mean, I doubt he’s even getting DEATH THREATS at this point, I’d bet the majority of what he’s getting is just laughter and making fun of him and orders of pizza to his parent’s house. I mean, he could just blow right through to the other side of this lol

I wonder what will happen Saturday night…will his cult of LARP’ers put on their armor and grab their foam swords and go forth into the world, or will they realize that Roosh is probably not the best role model to be following.

In reality though, where will Roosh be in say 6 months, when this blows over? His parents weren’t involved in his shit so people aren’t going to harrass them much if at all, everyone knows Roosh is the douchebag in this and people will get bored of attacking him once he hides in the shadows for a while and stops poking the bear. Surely he’s going to lose a good chunk of his followers just out of embarrassment, while the others double-down in support of him. I can’t imagine many guys checking out his stuff NOW and being swayed, they’ll probably look at his shit but then end up in TRP/TRM/PUA/MRA/MGTOW sites instead of sticking around.

But in terms of income, this has to hurt his chances at becoming an outrage pundit…BEFORE this I could see places like The Rebel or Milo giving him interviews because who knows maybe he IS living this jet-set lifestyle touring around Europe wearing his custom-fitted Dr Oz suit banging 10s etc but now it’s like, he’s a dude trolling from his mom’s basement LARP’ing about masculinity.

I can’t imagine anyone caring about his side of the story or his views on how shitty women are etc and giving him a platform for it anymore lol

That all said, if anyone’s going to have accounted for all this and made self-sacrifice a part of their master strategy ala Dr Oz etc, it’s going to be Roosh. I keep thinking “there’s no way this guy could be this naive” but I don’t even know anymore lol

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@The Question @Rollo
“I see nothing positive about the DM story for Roosh; it was clearly intended to destroy his credibility with his readers/followers. This is the worst possible outcome I could imagine right now for him.”

Right. From a strategic perspective, discrediting him is the best thing that could happen for the MSM and the worst thing for him, that’s why they’re jumping on the mommy basement dweller stuff so hard. Like beating him up or killing him would just make him a martyr, but embarrass him (or allow him to embarrass himself) and his followers or potential followers won’t take him seriously anymore.

They tried it with Julien and Tyler and Jeffy except those guys actually DO go out and travel the world and bang hot girls and have tons of infield footage to show it and their followers know they stress to calibrate and not hate women (even in that Japan seminar that got Julien in trouble) etc, and they know to lay low when they get attacked and let society’s current outrage-of-the-week nature move onto the next target and then resume business as usual when it’s died down. They aren’t trying to appeal to the masses, they have their niche audience and stick to it so they can just fold up shop for a bit and then come back. I don’t think they’ve taken ANY kind of hit really, aside from not being able to have specific instructors tour in a few specific places, nothing that would affect their bottom line.

Whereas Roosh has a collection of articles that, if you decide to believe he’s the jet set James Bond player the RVF users all LARP they are, are an interesting read, but if the guy writing them loses your respect, they’re just a bitter dude’s ranting and raving. At least after Dr Oz you see him on there in a suit and ya, he comes off kind of autistic but he looks like he might be successful.

On the plus side this will basically give the MSM a huge bone to chew on for a while to give zero fucks about attacking the rest of the MRA/TRP/PUA/MGTOW/etc communities…like this is hitting the lottery jackpot for them. He lives up to every stereotype they want everyone in these communities to live up to lol Anytime anyone brings up ANYTHING red pill, the first thing that will be posted is “lol oh look it’s another Roosh! Does your mom know you’re posting this misogyny??”

Not great for getting guys to find the information, which is unfortunate, but Roosh’s goal was never to actually help men anyway.

This version is my favorite lol:

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Always a Gavin fan:

http://www.therebel.media/roosh_v_pro_rape_sexist_racist_homophobe_or

I think Roosh’s biggest problem is that he just isn’t charismatic enough to say these things and get away with it and he doesn’t understand that. His vibe is that he’s a creepy autistic weirdo. No one looks at Gavin and thinks “that guy is gonna rape someone” when he supports Roosh’s idea, but you watch Roosh’s videos and unless you’re a die-hard follower of theirs, it’s like “this guy makes me uncomfortable”, just like Aurini’s videos. Tyler is a little off here and there but for the most part him and Julien etc are all pretty charismatic and calibrated so they can say outlandish things…and all of them started out really awkward in their first videos/speeches but worked on becoming more charismatic over time because it’s vital when you’re trying to present non-PC ideas even as thought experiments.

Like Milo could present Roosh’s exact rape satire proposal thing and come off as just a cheeky lovable rogue with an idea that makes everyone think and riles up his usual haters. But Roosh fits the stereotypes of a guy who WOULD want to hold meetings to “legalize rape” lol


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omg it’s better than I could have ever hoped for:

http://www.returnofkings.com/79680/why-international-meetup-day-was-cancelled

There aren’t enough facepalms in the WORLD for this.


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lol Roosh’s piece is blatantly sarcastic/satire. I read it back when he first posted it and thought it was a clever way of pointing out a flaw in the whole “you go grrrl” lack of responsibility/accountability feminism has pushed. It makes it VERY clear that it’s just exposing a flaw in people’s logic and isn’t ACTUALLY a suggestion or push for anything.

The reason we aren’t flipping out like chickens with our head cut off about it is because we actually read it and understand that Swift didn’t REALLY want babies to be eaten. Calm your tits dude lol

“She’s supposedly being playful when she invites him to do so, but she quickly licks her lips while asking him, she can’t help herself. Hindbrain fully activated. I see these kinds of tells everywhere now, it’s absolutely fucking nuts.”

Yup. They can’t resist when their hindbrain is triggered…except that most guys will watch this and think “see, it’s looks that matter!!” because that dude is good looking and they’ll miss that what triggers her hindbrain are primarily his subcomms (a guy who looks like him but is shy and meek and beta won’t get the same response).

@scribblerg @sun wukong @forge the sky @rollo @culum struam @sentient @uhhhh can’t remember who else is out sarging I’m tired lol

And on that note I present Tyler’s newest infield vid which is mandatory watching for any guy studying game (skip to 3:35 unless you want to see Tyler’s house…not quite his mother’s basement lol). I hate posting this in a non-pickup related article but for the guys going out tonight or who plan to go out next weekend to mack the lonely Valentine’s Day girls, posting it now gives them time to watch and analyze it:

This is an hour long MASSIVELY in-depth breakdown of a sarge by Tyler. Some of the best infield footage you’ll see, better than Julien’s SHIFT infield in my opinion. The first part is him yapping a bunch explaining dynamics and stuff before he gets to the actual footage but this is an hour of EXTREMELY valuable shit. Block out an hour or so of time to watch it and re-watch it paying attention to everything going on, from what Tyler is saying/doing, to what the girl is saying/doing/responding, to what the people around them are saying/doing.

Shit to pay attention to (watch the footage first and then read this and see how many of these things your brain noticed, and what else did you notice that I DIDN’T write down?):

– he’s low-energy after the open, not crazy dancing monkey, just verbals primarily
– they’re both sober
– he’s sarging a girl who’s with her MOM (would you even TRY that?? Let alone try to PULL in front of her mom?)
– Tyler is dressed in plain clothes, just a plain shirt (OMG)
– you can see some man-boob when Tyler leans back
– Tyler is shorter than her
– Tyler is fatter than her
– there are better looking guys there than Tyler
– she’s dolled up to the 9s
– she’s in shape with toned arms/body etc
– she’s towering over him in those heels

– she’s WAY out of his looks range going by society’s standards, he should NOT be able to get her to chase him, he should be chasing her and hoping to get a nut, and any guy better looking than Tyler should get her, going by society’s blue pill conditioning

– she’s neutral about him at first, like ya he’s fun but whatever take or leave him, compare that to the end of the clip after he’s gamed her

– he uses preselection/jealousy plotlines to open other girls when she stops giving him attention (and look at her reaction to seeing him open other girls in front of her…that’s the same thing Julien demonstrates in some of his infield, playing the girls off eachother instead of standing around like a chode when she shit-tests you paying attention to another guy or ignoring you), he doesn’t even need to DO anything with the other girls he knows he just needs the minimum with them to trigger preselection in his target

– he calibrates his escalation (not triggering ASD or judgement from her mom, and he’s CONSCIOUSLY doing this and EXPLAINS it in the breakdown)

– he disqualifies her a bunch and makes her chase his validation and reacts HARD when he calls her stuck-up or does a push etc

– and she DOES chase him, HARD, once he’s hooked her she’s chasing to almost an embarrassing level

– she compliments the fuck out of him, WAY more than he should be complimented by

– he never tells her what he does for a living or how much money he has etc and he’s CLEARLY not the hottest guy in the venue and wasn’t all night, so she’s not chasing him based on his Armani suit or $5000 watch or the mansion he lives in (remember he started out living on a mattress in a closet lol) or anything, he doesn’t even buy her a drink even when it would be EASIER to buy her a drink, so MONEY is irrelevant

– she shit-tests him CONSTANTLY and he blows through them all and every time he blows through a shit-test her attraction spikes, it’s a BLATANT correlation, that’s why you should LOVE when girls shit-test you, it’s a chance to spike her attraction and fuck her FASTER

– he does TONS of push/pull

– better looking taller in better shape RSD Brad, who looks-matter guys would say should get the girl, comes in when Tyler does a takeaway and she’s wearing his shades when he comes back, but she has zero interest in him because he’s not giving her emotional impact like Tyler is…not only is she not into him but she tells him to go away and dismisses him so she can talk to Tyler more. Tyler even MAKES her feel Brad’s chest/pecs, because he knows it won’t matter that Brad is better looking than him. She ignores some other guys too, with cool british accents and shit, I think aussie Natural Alex is in the suit at the start but his face is blurred out now and he’s invisible (despite the suit, tho he’s SHORT so OBVIOUSLY that’s what it is lol) once he pats her tummy and tells her he’s going to put his seed in it lol (EMOTIONAL IMPACT)

– Tyler AMOGs the other guys in the bar and stresses to her “you’ll miss me when I’m gone and you have to talk to these guys” stuff like Julien does in his SHIFT infield, where he sets himself apart from the other guys and reminds the girl “look all these other guys are LAME compared to me, you should appreciate that shit” because with the amount of validation they have on Tinder and txting and instagram etc they sometimes forget that…would this girl pick Tyler if she saw him on Tinder? Fuck no lol Tyler’s ugly-ass profile next to some Brad or Chad Thundercock? She’s not going to pick Tyler…but in PERSON where Tyler can EXPRESS his personality and give her EMOTIONAL IMPACT, she doesn’t even look at her phone reading her txts and shit while they interact…this is why I say to the guys who are like “ohhh girls check their phones all the time on dates and stuff it’s such bullshit western women suck” No dipshit, you are just BORING.

– and on that note this girl probably has no idea what Tyler’s shoes look like or whether his belt matches his shoes and doesn’t care what kind of watch he’s wearing, because he’s giving her enough EMOTIONAL IMPACT for that shit to not MATTER…she only looks at that stuff when you’re passively standing around hoping she chooses you out of the lineup which is chode behavior (listen to Tyler’s breakdown of LEADING and how that’s masculine shit), or when you’re running WEAK BORING GAME with NO EMOTIONAL IMPACT and she has to find things OTHER than the emotions you’re giving her to base her decision on

– Tyler passes the no drinking/drugs shit-test with a SOLID old man frame, I like his response about happiness and how poor/weak people need substances to feel happy…hotter girls who are high self-esteem tend to feel the same way. Guys who don’t approach act like “oh the hotter she is the bitchier she is” but the really hot cool girls are often the MOST FUN girls in the bar even when she’s stone cold sober

– he refuses to buy her drinks, no budging on his frame even when he probably could have at the very end to keep her there and most guys would lol

– lol @ his response about looks…”And what are YOU, Buddy??” “Perfection.” lol

– she keeps calling him Buddy to try to act like she isn’t into him (ASD protection) and to shit-test him to see if he panics that he might end up in the friend-zone

– when she wants the number close while Tyler backturns her, note how she lurks there like a CHODE…this girl WAY out of his looks range is standing there “welllll it was nice meeting you…maybe we’ll cross path–” “NO!!!! (backturn again)” 99% of guys would be asking this girl for her number but Tyler KNOWS to torture her a bit so she appreciates it, you can literally see how confused she is that he isn’t trying to get her number when she’s saying she’s leaving, it blows her MIND

– he is pushing HARD for the full pull, she’s with her MOM and he’s STILL like “nah I can pull her”, so when he DOES get the number it’s ROCK SOLID because he’s shown intent and entitlement that he EXPECTS to pull her…whereas 99% of guys would see “oh she’s with her mom I’ll just drop in and try to get a number and move on” and be coming from an ENTIRELY different frame…the goal is not a NUMBER, the goal is FUCKING HER, you only take a number when you CAN’T fuck her, after pushing HARD for it, and you make her invest and chase to make that number solid

Now wrap your head around this…whether this girl is your personal type or not (pointy elbows and all that), from an objective point of view she is WAY out of Tyler’s looks range and is a girl that a lot of guys would never approach, and if they DID approach they would get a smile from her and then move on happily validated or with a number that flakes.

And yet, you can see her TRYING to ditch her mom because she’s DYING to go home with him…it’s RIDICULOUS, she’s even blatantly MAD at her mom for cockblocking her and not LETTING her FUCK TYLER! …TYLER!!

TYLER. The guy who started out as a loser sperglord virgin who should have been weeded out of evolution, that everyone would say “get looks and money bro” or tell him to settle for some fat wife because that’s all he deserves by society’s standards sorry bro you just got dealt a bad hand in the genetics department oh well just be happy with scraps

– he gets a ROCK SOLID number close, AND she even tells him what hotel she’s at because she’s hoping he’ll figure out how to kidnap/fuck her

– she LOVES him by the end of it…he’s the most amazing guy she’s ever met in her life. Would she swipe him right on Tinder? No way…but IN PERSON? She’s amazed by this little plain shirt wearing balding ginger

– also watch her hindbrain slipups, like “How will your mom feel about you coming home with me?” “She won’t like it!! –uhhh I mean!!!” She’s already thinking about going home with him because he’s triggering hindbrain attraction shit

– she tries to shit-test him by trying to get rid of him at points telling him to hit on other girls so he can get laid (separating herself from the other girls etc) and he turns it around on her like a boss

– the funniest one is “come with me” “no” “good you’re not invited, you’re too stuck-up and too skinny and full of yourself new york girl” and she WHIPS around like “o no u didn’t” lol It’s SO blatant, just pure hindbrain responses he’s purposely triggering and note that he’s not INSULTING her, he’s teasing her about stuff he knows she’s secure about (her weight and personality etc), it’s not MALICIOUS. But the point is that when she doesn’t play along he takes the dangling string away from her

– this is some advanced shit but toward the end he tones things WAAAAAY down so he isn’t even acknowledging her shit-tests anymore and he becomes way more laconic and aloof and unreactive compared to the start…he’s explained in another video that he does this on purpose to solidify the number because if you’re the crazy fun woo guy who’s spiking her temp through the roof all night, she’ll exchange numbers sure but she’ll flake when she gets the text and she’s no longer in that crazy mood because you’re the crazy fun bar guy from the bar and live in the bar in her mind…but Tyler lowers the energy so that she can actually picture hanging out with him in her normal REAL life outside of the bar. This is all conscious strategy

– note that he subtly picks the side to stand on that her back/face is facing away from her mom (mini-isolation). This is that step to the side thing I talk about where you try to make the girls face their backs to eachother so they feel isolated and forget their friends are watching them. This is huge. A lot of guys would fuck up and stand facing her while she’s against the bar so she can see her mom AND it looks like he’s gaming her…but the way Tyler positions himself it looks like SHE’S gaming HIM because she’s the one facing him and reacting all over the place doubling over in laughter and touching him and shit and he’s just chilled back locked in classic Mystery Method style

– minimal kino minus his opener (which demonstrates he’ll throw her around in the bedroom), no crazy high-fives and shit necessary through the rest of the interaction, Tyler is doing less and less as the sarge goes on, becoming more and more laconic and making her do more and more of the work/investment

– note that Tyler doesn’t get much rapport/comfort with this girl. He doesn’t know what she does for a living or what she does in school or anything, I don’t think they even exchanged names until the end. It’s 100% energy and the rapport he DOES get is bonding over like, their in-jokes and their people-watching observations and their views on health and stuff, but there’s no real deep traditional “tell me about a hobby you’re passionate about” or “what is it you love about being an (insert job)?” like we would do in 2005…personally I think this is because girls don’t need much comfort/rapport anymore, like a girl will just COME OVER to netflix & chill instead of needing to go on a date etc, they’re weirdly comfortable and I think part of it is that guys are so harmless these days that they know they can go over to netflix & chill and if they aren’t into it the guy will be too pussy to make a move anyway etc etc I’ve talked about this 2015/2016 shit before lol But note how little you need to know about her and she needs to know about you, to have enough attraction to pull or get a solid number…Tyler will be a HUGE puzzle/mystery to her that she’ll want to solve because he hasn’t laid all his cards out yet and he has PLENTY of topics to talk to her about as she earns his interest, VS the resume exchange off the hello that most normal guys do

Tons to learn from this footage and the breakdown of all the nuances and stuff that Tyler goes into. This shit is mandatory viewing.

Careful if you head out tonight, I wouldn’t blame anyone taking the night off to avoid being accused of being one of Roosh’s cult members just because you’re approaching girls, that shit is ALL OVER THE PLACE on Facebook and everything. After tonight no one will give a shit but tonight there’s a chance there are people out on the prowl to hassle anyone they see opening girls.

Also on @roosh
His press conference is at 7pm an hour before the meetups were supposed to be…I will slow-clap if his press conference is a “gotcha” and he’s like “The meetings have NOT been cancelled, they’re all still happening, we faked it to throw all you idiots off and I was only at my mom’s house for a few days when I was passing through town dumbasses, NEOMASCULINITY WINS!!!” lol

I’M HOOKED, YOU ARE MY FAVORITE REALITY SHOW ROOSH.


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Also lol at the young dudes dying their hair grey thing. It’s exactly what the poster said, they’re trying to signal that they have maturity, wisdom, oak tree solid internals, etc that us older guys have. It’s hilarious to me because when I was in my 20s I thought I would be fucked when I hit 30 like oh no I’ll be OLD old guys can’t get young hot girls!! Now I’m mid-30s and getting more solid attraction than in my 20s because now I have my subcomms and internals down that were shaky in my 20s and compared to those 20s squirrels I look like a rock solid oak tree.

I can’t WAIT till I have grey hair, I’ll look badass. Once Batman VS Superman comes out and girls see old-ass Ben Affleck with grey hair being awesome the clamor for older men is going to skyrocket lol ’cause Ben isn’t full out Liam Neeson old, he’s the perfect fantasy version of an old man just like Duchoveny in Californication.


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@Culum
Had to share it, this shit is gold. I don’t think guys learning game now even realize how much us oldschool guys would’ve KILLED for infield footage like this. We had to figure this shit out based on text descriptions and go field-test everything to try to see the various reactions to different shit in person because we didn’t have this kind of footage to learn from. I remember looking at potato-quality videos in like 160p trying to decipher what was going on or listening to brutal quality audio with loud club music booming and parts cutting out and shit trying to get an idea of what pickup is supposed to look like.

Even Tyler, part of why he was travelling around hunting down the best PUAs to go sarge with was to see them in action because there was no footage of any of this shit.

If you had dropped a video like this, with a breakdown as in-depth as Tyler’s (or Julien’s in SHIFT), we would have all shit BRICKS.

“Incidentally, a quick glance of that clip suggests it’s from the new Hot Seat – the thing that I’ve signed up for to do in a few months..”

Tyler just put up another vid recently where he shows the entire crowd as he walks in full cult cheering status (who will build a bigger cult faster, Tyler or Roosh? Maybe they’ll fight to the death one day lol) showing their faces and shit, so like, again be careful and ask them about having your face blurred etc ’cause RSD will be conflated with Roosh’s rape-meetings and evil MRAs and all that shit, imagine if your face was at the front of one of Roosh’s neomasculinity seminars right now lol

So be careful!

I’m not a big fan of the exercise stuff like everyone jumping around and getting in state and everything, I just like the brass tacks technical infield breakdown hotseat footage, but it sounds like the hotseat @ home thing will come with more footage like this which is pretty awesome. I’ll be checking it out when it hits the torrents of course lol


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Also part of why Tyler’s “he’s a rape-monster loooook raaaapeeee!!!” stuff didn’t stick during the Julien fiasco is that anyone can look at Tyler’s infield vids and see preselection aka girls loving him and having fun in their interactions with him (whereas Julien’s footage is a little harder to see the girls are having fun because he’s doing more hardcore polarizing stuff in the snippets he shows to gain infamy).

There’s zero footage of Roosh interacting with women, let alone them LOVING interacting with him, all we have is a few old pics of him with girls that don’t really show anything and his creepy Angry Birds “hide in the shadows until she’s alone” strategy video lol And in some documentary I remember him getting shot down by a girl. But like, because he has no visible preselection out there, people can project whatever they want onto his game, so the people who think he’s a creepy rapist picture a creepy rapist approaching girls out and creeping them out and raping them lol

Whereas when you hear Tyler abuses women and rapes them and then you see an hour of footage where girls are telling him he’s amazing and chasing him and voluntarily 3-way making out with him and going home for 3-somes etc having the time of their lives, that accusation doesn’t really stick.

And if Roosh went out and collected footage NOW it would be too late, his reputation is already shot and people would say they were all paid actresses…they say the same thing about RSD, but RSD has SO MUCH infield footage and the girls reactions are so natural that it starts to seem silly. Like if the chick in his hour long footage I just posted is an ACTRESS, she should win a fucking Oscar for how natural and realistic her reactions are lol Anyone who goes out can see that that chick is behaving exactly like girls actually behave when you do what Tyler’s doing.

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@Emily
“Rape on private property being legal… So basically if I’m hanging out at a male friend’s house, and he, God forbid, rapes me. That would be legal because it’s my fault for being such a slut?”

That would make you think twice about voluntarily buying and downing 20 shots of tequila at the bar after popping a bunch of molly and then Tindering a dozen random guys you don’t know to come to your place while you’re shitfaced barely able to stand, or hopping in a random car with guys you don’t know to go back to their place for an afterparty by yourself, or going over to a guy you don’t know’s place to netflix & chill as a first date instead of somewhere public with witnesses to make sure they aren’t freakshows, wouldn’t it? Because those are the kinds of things <25yo "nothing bad can ever happen to me and I should be able to do whatever I want and bad guys should just not be bad guys" girls are doing these days. You old chicks probably don't see it much but I'd imagine a guy like Rollo would like to make sure his daughter understands that some of these things are a bad idea that can lead to bad consequences and teach her some common sense to avoid these situations that other girls are voluntarily walking into like lemmings off a cliff.

It's a thought experiment to get women to think "hmm, you know, maybe these aren't wise decisions just like walking around the ghetto flashing wads of money at night or leaving your doors unlocked or walking through a dark alley at night isn't a wise decision". Obviously not all rapes can be prevented, no one is saying that all rapes are the victim's fault and happen this way, but every night I'm out at the bars/clubs I see girls doing shit that I just shake my head at and think "man, that chick is probably going to end up raped, wtf is she thinking doesn't she understand how dangerous that is???" and a little common sense and accountability would have them hopping in a cab home instead of hopping in a car with 3 guys in it slowly driving by the bars at last call saying "hey want a ride home?"

He's not saying it SHOULD be the law, he's using a "what would happen if that WAS the law…" thought experiment to point out how little women use common sense these days.

Roosh's biggest mistake was expecting people in this 140 char twitter ADD culture to be able to read an entire article instead of just getting outraged and emotional over the headline or basing their opinion on summaries from other people like Emily just did lol It's like a huge version of the telephone game and it's sad to see how retarded society has become.

Can't believe I'm having to defend Roosh lol


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@redlight
“there is nothing better than arguing with Emily about RooshV”

lol got sucked into it, should’ve reloaded before hitting Post and deleted mine. I just hate ignorance…it’s painful to read. Anyone can just go read his article for themselves, but they don’t because if they did and they still don’t get that it’s satire/irony/a thought experiment/whatever, then they’re just dumb lol

I want the world to be smarter but it seems like the world is getting dumber. Swift today would be hate-mobbed while people like Emily yap about how “you know I really don’t think legalizing eating babies is a good idea guise there’s something that should be done to help with the food shortage but this isn’t it >.>” lol


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IT’S HABBENING!!

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlBaYMpoxL

The cringe…oh god the cringe.


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He’s not even defending himself he’s BITCHING THEM OUT!! hahaha I don’t even know how to process this.


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@Rollo
Full version but shitty camera angle…this is probably the most charismatic/energetic I’ve ever seen Roosh lol:

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1djxXalZgPBKZ

This first one I linked misses the first few min but has a better angle and you get to see more of Roosh waving his arms around:

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlBaYMpoxL

His followers are rallying up as though he destroyed these guys but the comments that pop up through the video disagree lol

I’ll give him credit in that he’s at least trying to make specific points and keep on track for his point, but so much of this comes off as whining and playing the victim that it’s hard to say how this’ll go down. And bitching out like 6 journalists isn’t going to do anything…these guys aren’t going to go back to Vice Huffpo etc and be like “you know, we really misunderstood this guy”

But fucking lol’s for asking the reporter if he even lifts

He’s wrapping it up for 8pm and mentions he’s going out drinking so I imagine this isn’t the end of this weekend’s adventures. Probably meeting up with some ROK dudes and has more plans for the rest of the night/weekend.

I’m still not sure how any of this helps men. lol


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“You’d think if I raped someone, at least ONE woman would come forward saying I raped her, but none have come forward…not ONE has come forward to say I raped her”

…oh Roosh.

The second video clears up nice in parts in the second half of it if you want some full-screen Roosh action.


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“So if we have to go underground, I’ll go underground…we never had a goal where we have to do everything in PUBLIC.”

lol. Of course you didn’t, Roosh. I am thoroughly entertained by this.


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Whoops, this might not be good for his income:

https://www.change.org/p/amazon-com-amazon-stop-selling-rooshv-daryush-valizadeh-rape-books?recruiter=1520857&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive

“So far today, two women who’ve read up about Roosh V (Daryush Valizadeh) and his views on rape, women and ‘dating’ have ended up being physically sick. It’s that repugnant. His books, the ‘Bang’ series, are a thinly veiled guide to getting away with rape. He’s campaigned to end rape — by calling for it to be made legal.”

Physically sick?? OMG BURN THE BOOKS!!! PROTECT THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!

“I’m not going to link his site here; it’s too awful. If you want to read up, I am warning you; it’s grim. Help us shut him down. We stopped Julien Blanc getting a visa for the UK — let’s see if we can make Amazon hear us.”

Why WOULD you link the site, it’s not like people will read it before being outraged anyway. lol If we could just do away with this whole “evidence” and “due process” thing women would be a LOT safer.

I wonder if he’ll register any connection between joining the doggy pile on RSD/Julien and this. The RVF forums lol’ed at RSD as much as we’re lol’ing at Roosh now but we are full out into “destroy anyone we don’t like” territory.

@Anonymous Reader
“Showing your age? Women for much more trivial reasons.”

Yup. Walk around a bar district after midnight and you’ll see crazy bitches fighting over all sorts of stupid shit. Why wouldn’t they, there’s no consequence and if anyone kicks their ass a bunch of dudes will jump in to stop it.


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@Blaximus
lol it’s more that they’re figuring out the way to hurt Roosh is to fuck with him being able to sell his books, whether the petition works or not. Like shaming him, mobbing him, lying about him, etc doesn’t really matter, but if he can’t sell his books and/or his websites go down so he can’t make ad revenue, he’s in trouble ’cause he can’t go get a normal job now.

@Niko
A chick can false accuse you of stuff even if you don’t go near her or even know her so my view is like well I might as well get laid at least lol In all seriousness thouogh, through red pill/PUA we can at least understand what kind of stuff helps prevent women we’re around from getting into that mindset of “I want to hurt this guy” or “I need attention and this is the way to get it”. That’s why I think MGTOWs should learn some basic game, because odds are they’re going to have to deal with women at LEAST in the workplace if not dating occasionally at some point in their 40-whatever years, and it would benefit them to understand what Buyer’s Remorse is and how to prevent/diffuse it, how to avoid triggering ASD, how to handle drama, etc. That’s why I think it’s dumb for the different groups to fight…like PUAs should understand MRA shit, a lot of PUAs will get burned because they’re oblivious to the realities of marriage/divorce laws/court, family court, etc a lot of them think once they settle it’ll just be a happily ever after thing. I fully expect Tyler/Julien/etc to get burned. MGTOWs and MRAs should understand some PUA stuff instead of dismissing it. Like, men should be prepared in all aspects and it’s sad to me that they’re all too arrogant to look at the other groups’ work.

@Truman
lol that’s just a guy running social circle game, nothing crazy (and he’s spending way more money than he needs to to do it). I fully plan to run that style of game when I’m older…like I love the bar scene and I love cold approach, but realistically while cold approach is the best for building your skillset and keeping it sharp (since you get ZERO leeway in cold approach to be sloppy and have sticking points, the field will shove them in your face), it’s also the least efficient way of actually getting laid. Warm social circle game is the easiest way. And I figure when I’m in my late 40s I might get tired of hitting the bar scene the way I am now and I’ll want to make things easier, so I fully intend to start building my network and befriending staff everywhere (bars and around the area I live) while living near a university/college campus somewhere etc etc That way if I’m still gaming in my late 40s and 50s+ I’ll be doing it the easy way. Part of why Roosh is run-down and jaded with pickup is that he’s still having to cold approach the hard way and I don’t think he’s ever really ENJOYED it, he talks like he just does it because he HAS to.

@Culum
Yup, it doesn’t take much when you start understanding this stuff. A good exercise to do is that even though you wouldn’t bang her in that situation, think about how you COULD HAVE. How COULD you have handled the boring old uncle and created a situation there where you could have isolated and escalated on her all the way to sex, not just a pleasant conversation. Think about if you had a gun to your head, how would you have been able to do it?

“I figure it’s just more beta bait to keep the drip going”

Yup. I would just send “lol” or not respond since Whatsapp will tell her I saw her message so it’s like “he saw it but didn’t respond”. Or I would escalate it with “pics or it didn’t happen” so she sends pics instead of a stupid text description. But I can’t remember if you’re trying to get rid of her or bang her lol

@Rollo
Roosh conference on YouTube, probably the best quality one:

It’s not horrible, rewatching it today. But the news stories are of course focusing on the stuff they got him off-track on, like his view of Cosby and politics and whatever…for the most part he made sure to go “look I’m not here to talk about my views on such and such I’m here to talk about this incident” but their job is to get him off track and a guy like Roosh wants to talk about his views on everything.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/06/pro-rape-leader-endorses-donald-trump.html

Cernovich is trying his best to reframe the whole thing so he can keep Roosh’s dick in his mouth as usual lol:

Meanwhile I hope these poor guys who will probably be doxxed and fired as “pro-rape advocates who want to legalize raping women” feel it was worth it, I’m sure Roosh will acknowledge their sacrifice for his empire lol:


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@Rollo
I don’t have Twitter, you wanna send this to Roosh?

Looks like some of his cult members almost got shot & brass-knuckled (hoodie guy looks pretty serious about shooting them). Much as I don’t like Roosh, these guys seem to have been planning some illegal shit and his followers should probably be careful.