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on January 26th, 2016 at 9:24 am
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@Rollo
“Trust, rapport, comfort, familiarity are all anti-seductive conditions. They are simply not conducive to prompting genuine desire or sexual tension and urgency.”

RSDTodd has a great explanation of this concept from an ONS/SNL seduction/pickup frame (vs an LTR frame) nicely here for the guys who are trying to wrap their head around what you’re saying (starting at 2:40):

The things that make you a good Provider ACTIVELY make you a worse candidate for being a Lover in her mind. And the stuff you do that builds comfort/rapport/familiarity/etc actually make you less of a Same Night Lay candidate.

Julien talks about this a lot too (Todd recaps it around 8 minutes into this vid)…when you give her your number, she no longer feels urgency because she thinks “I like this guy, but I have his number so we can hang out some other time right now I need to take my drunk friend home”. And she FULLY BELIEVES in the moment that she’s going to meet up with you again. But when the 2016 dynamics play out she flakes.

But if you refuse to give her your number and can make it clear that she has ONE shot with you, either she puts her drunk friend in a cab and sends her home and comes with you or she never sees you again, you artificially create urgency and fear of loss (dread game basically), which helps land the lay that night.

I still instinctively go for the number and comfort/rapport when I have her attracted because that’s what was working before technology fucked everything up, but it’s a habit I’m working on breaking infield and I’m learning to build that dread/fear of loss in them more.

The reality is in 2016 they have endless orbiters and fuckbois and tinder guys to provide everything they need…from buying them shit to giving them validation to giving them sex even to giving them a bit of drama here and there. So unless they happen to be horny in that exact moment that you’re texting her, why WOULD she meet up? And even then, why would she come to meet YOU instead of just telling you to come to her and if you won’t she has 10 other guys that will.

The ONLY things those guys don’t give her is devalidation and fear of loss. Julien’s game makes complete sense to me now lol He was just ahead of the curve with the <25yo crowd. I think my game will end up evolving toward extreme devalidation. Like that "Rich fat CEO" game Julien described where it's like "how old are you? Too young, fuck off little girl." could be where my game ends up going.

Like Saturday I had a good vibe with a chick, including making out with another girl in front of her like full preselection etc and she demanded I take her number. Sounds solid right? She's flaking on meeting up. Because now she isn't in the state she was in in the club and now that she'd have to get off her ass to come meet up, it's too much work because she has all these other guys she can tell to come over who won't care if she even shaves her legs or anything lol And they'll bring her Starbucks. And go home if she changes her mind and decides not to fuck them after all. And be at her beck and call the next time she decides she wants Starbucks.

But that's partly my fault, because when she said to take her number I fell into old habits that USED to work and whipped out my phone. The second I did that she no longer felt a sense of urgency or immediacy. I became a guy that she's attracted to but it's not worth putting her friend in a cab home and coming with me because she has my number and we can just hang out tomorrow or next week etc. I was even pitching "put your friend in a cab, it's fine, she'll forgive you, let's go" etc.

But if I had said "I don't give out my number. Come with me now or you're never going to see me again.", she would have been more like to follow the "put her in a cab" suggestions because she feels fear of loss/dread.

I have a lot more thoughts on all this stuff but I'm doing a lot of infield experimenting right now before I make any adamant conclusions. But from what I'm seeing when I look around for other guys' experiences, I'm not the only one noticing this stuff.

A lot of golden advice is in this video:

And Julien's devalidation stacking in his PIMP product is a huge asset now (check the second half of the first vid that comes up when you type "julien pimp chase" in YouTube for the relevant part).

And here's a great thread on the TRP forums about the way social media has shifted things:

https://archive.is/WhfzL

I like this dude's ideas on phone game since I'm now switching to calling instead of texting and will be trying them out on my next numbers (though ideally I get SNLs over numbers because once you get a number you go into the chode orbiter herd and make things more difficult), but it's a good recap that even in 2014 things were starting to shift. I have phenomenal text game so I didn't notice the shift until late 2015 because I was still able to overcome the chode herd with my text skills, but my buddy who has weak text game felt this happening in 2014. So I'm a little late to the party, I just figured other guys had shitty text game lol but mine is falling flat now and even my buddy is like "man if YOUR text game isn't working then we need a new approach 'cause things have clearly changed" lol

Like I've said a million times: PUA isn't about waxing armchair theory, it's about what WORKS infield and holds up under pressure testing. The second something stops working or something more efficient comes along, we adapt and experiment with it and figure out what needs to change to get back to efficient seduction. I would throw out everything I currently use if field experience made it clear that it doesn't work anymore. I worked hard on my text game and got it to an amazing level, but now that every chode is in the texting herd on her phone and building too much rapport/comfort makes her LESS likely to meet up, I have to basically throw all my text game out the window and switch to laconic texts and phone calls lol Kind of sucks, but the field is king…if I wasn't going out regularly I would be giving outdated information that worked before social media but falls flat now. It's vital to hit the field regularly and hit up that <25yo crowd.


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on January 26th, 2016 at 9:24 am
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@Rollo
“Trust, rapport, comfort, familiarity are all anti-seductive conditions. They are simply not conducive to prompting genuine desire or sexual tension and urgency.”

RSDTodd has a great explanation of this concept from an ONS/SNL seduction/pickup frame (vs an LTR frame) nicely here for the guys who are trying to wrap their head around what you’re saying (starting at 2:40):

The things that make you a good Provider ACTIVELY make you a worse candidate for being a Lover in her mind. And the stuff you do that builds comfort/rapport/familiarity/etc actually make you less of a Same Night Lay candidate.

Julien talks about this a lot too (Todd recaps it around 8 minutes into this vid)…when you give her your number, she no longer feels urgency because she thinks “I like this guy, but I have his number so we can hang out some other time right now I need to take my drunk friend home”. And she FULLY BELIEVES in the moment that she’s going to meet up with you again. But when the 2016 dynamics play out she flakes.

But if you refuse to give her your number and can make it clear that she has ONE shot with you, either she puts her drunk friend in a cab and sends her home and comes with you or she never sees you again, you artificially create urgency and fear of loss (dread game basically), which helps land the lay that night.

I still instinctively go for the number and comfort/rapport when I have her attracted because that’s what was working before technology fucked everything up, but it’s a habit I’m working on breaking infield and I’m learning to build that dread/fear of loss in them more.

The reality is in 2016 they have endless orbiters and fuckbois and tinder guys to provide everything they need…from buying them shit to giving them validation to giving them sex even to giving them a bit of drama here and there. So unless they happen to be horny in that exact moment that you’re texting her, why WOULD she meet up? And even then, why would she come to meet YOU instead of just telling you to come to her and if you won’t she has 10 other guys that will.

The ONLY things those guys don’t give her is devalidation and fear of loss. Julien’s game makes complete sense to me now lol He was just ahead of the curve with the <25yo crowd. I think my game will end up evolving toward extreme devalidation. Like that "Rich fat CEO" game Julien described where it's like "how old are you? Too young, fuck off little girl." could be where my game ends up going.

Like Saturday I had a good vibe with a chick, including making out with another girl in front of her like full preselection etc and she demanded I take her number. Sounds solid right? She's flaking on meeting up. Because now she isn't in the state she was in in the club and now that she'd have to get off her ass to come meet up, it's too much work because she has all these other guys she can tell to come over who won't care if she even shaves her legs or anything lol And they'll bring her Starbucks. And go home if she changes her mind and decides not to fuck them after all. And be at her beck and call the next time she decides she wants Starbucks.

But that's partly my fault, because when she said to take her number I fell into old habits that USED to work and whipped out my phone. The second I did that she no longer felt a sense of urgency or immediacy. I became a guy that she's attracted to but it's not worth putting her friend in a cab home and coming with me because she has my number and we can just hang out tomorrow or next week etc. I was even pitching "put your friend in a cab, it's fine, she'll forgive you, let's go" etc.

But if I had said "I don't give out my number. Come with me now or you're never going to see me again.", she would have been more like to follow the "put her in a cab" suggestions because she feels fear of loss/dread.

I have a lot more thoughts on all this stuff but I'm doing a lot of infield experimenting right now before I make any adamant conclusions. But from what I'm seeing when I look around for other guys' experiences, I'm not the only one noticing this stuff.

A lot of golden advice is in this video:

And Julien's devalidation stacking in his PIMP product is a huge asset now (check the second half of the first vid that comes up when you type "julien pimp chase" in YouTube for the relevant part).

And here's a great thread on the TRP forums about the way social media has shifted things:

https://archive.is/WhfzL

I like this dude's ideas on phone game since I'm now switching to calling instead of texting and will be trying them out on my next numbers (though ideally I get SNLs over numbers because once you get a number you go into the chode orbiter herd and make things more difficult), but it's a good recap that even in 2014 things were starting to shift. I have phenomenal text game so I didn't notice the shift until late 2015 because I was still able to overcome the chode herd with my text skills, but my buddy who has weak text game felt this happening in 2014. So I'm a little late to the party, I just figured other guys had shitty text game lol but mine is falling flat now and even my buddy is like "man if YOUR text game isn't working then we need a new approach 'cause things have clearly changed" lol

Like I've said a million times: PUA isn't about waxing armchair theory, it's about what WORKS infield and holds up under pressure testing. The second something stops working or something more efficient comes along, we adapt and experiment with it and figure out what needs to change to get back to efficient seduction. I would throw out everything I currently use if field experience made it clear that it doesn't work anymore. I worked hard on my text game and got it to an amazing level, but now that every chode is in the texting herd on her phone and building too much rapport/comfort makes her LESS likely to meet up, I have to basically throw all my text game out the window and switch to laconic texts and phone calls lol Kind of sucks, but the field is king…if I wasn't going out regularly I would be giving outdated information that worked before social media but falls flat now. It's vital to hit the field regularly and hit up that <25yo crowd.


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YaReally
on January 26th, 2016 at 9:34 am
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And to pre-empt the “SEE U GUISE JUST SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN U ARE JUST BEING WUT U THINK THEY WANT U TO BEEEEEE PUSSY-BEGGARRRRRRR!!!!” crowd:

This isn’t changing my core values or belief system, it’s simply modifying which parts of my values/beliefs I highlight in an interaction. ie – it’s always been important to me that the girl is, say, able to come to my part of the city because I don’t have a car and in general making an effort to go see her feels a bit supplicative to me even if it works, it just goes against what I, personally, want to do in an interaction.

In the past I could build enough comfort/rapport with her to make her decide to travel to my part of the city to meet up, so I could achieve that goal by highlighting the parts of myself that build a comfort/rapport bond with her. But now since I’m finding they have too much abundance to make that effort to come to my part of the city, and I know they respond to more fear of loss and devalidation etc, instead of highlighting the parts of myself that would build comfort/rapport, I’ll instead be highlighting the parts of my core system that don’t want to put up with that lazy shit and shove that in her face more.

It’s not that my core values or belief system has changed, I’m not running out to buy a car to go to their place or anything, it’s just the external presentation that I’m changing, highlighting the same values but in a different manner that I’m calibrating will be more effective. Like how in sales you’re still selling the same product but to an old woman you might build rapport with her and highlight certain features while to a young guy you might talk shit to goad him into it while highlighting other features…you’re still selling the same product, for the same price, you’re just calibrating your external presentation.

I fully expect the nuances of this explanation to go over a lot of anti-game guys’ heads tho so bring it on lol


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on January 26th, 2016 at 9:34 am
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And to pre-empt the “SEE U GUISE JUST SUPPLICATE TO WOMEN U ARE JUST BEING WUT U THINK THEY WANT U TO BEEEEEE PUSSY-BEGGARRRRRRR!!!!” crowd:

This isn’t changing my core values or belief system, it’s simply modifying which parts of my values/beliefs I highlight in an interaction. ie – it’s always been important to me that the girl is, say, able to come to my part of the city because I don’t have a car and in general making an effort to go see her feels a bit supplicative to me even if it works, it just goes against what I, personally, want to do in an interaction.

In the past I could build enough comfort/rapport with her to make her decide to travel to my part of the city to meet up, so I could achieve that goal by highlighting the parts of myself that build a comfort/rapport bond with her. But now since I’m finding they have too much abundance to make that effort to come to my part of the city, and I know they respond to more fear of loss and devalidation etc, instead of highlighting the parts of myself that would build comfort/rapport, I’ll instead be highlighting the parts of my core system that don’t want to put up with that lazy shit and shove that in her face more.

It’s not that my core values or belief system has changed, I’m not running out to buy a car to go to their place or anything, it’s just the external presentation that I’m changing, highlighting the same values but in a different manner that I’m calibrating will be more effective. Like how in sales you’re still selling the same product but to an old woman you might build rapport with her and highlight certain features while to a young guy you might talk shit to goad him into it while highlighting other features…you’re still selling the same product, for the same price, you’re just calibrating your external presentation.

I fully expect the nuances of this explanation to go over a lot of anti-game guys’ heads tho so bring it on lol


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on January 26th, 2016 at 10:56 am
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To watch some of these dynamics in action on a very subtle level (like the girls competing for him will try to get his attention or stand closer to him etc trying to mate-guard reacting to preselection/jealousy and social proof), there’s a video in Julien’s PIMP product called “How I pick up an eastern european model in the day” which has a good demo of him taking over a starbucks (along with analysis breakdowns and explanations of his mindsets/strategies) and playing girls off eachother and pretending to know people he doesn’t know and toward the end he even introduces a random girl as his girlfriend to another girl who he tells that the random girl is his girlfriend so they both think the other is his girlfriend when they meet and then he walks off with the hotter one lol

Also in Julien’s SHIFT product there’s an infield vid called “Getting into state” where he has a few bootcamp students and they all run preselection/social proof game in the daytime building up a huge hub of girls who all think they know the other girls and you can see the girls reacting to the shifting dynamics and new girls entering the set and how much Julien’s value raises just by running a little strategy and understanding how it affects the dynamics and the girls’ perceptions.

It costs $0, you don’t have to be drunk, you don’t have to go to a bar, you don’t have to be <30, you don't have to be jacked, you can just go out and apply this type of strategic shit and boost your value up from nothing.

There are some other good infield vids with full breakdowns (30 min from meet to pull (literally into his apartment including having to distract her from the cameraman in the same elevator as them "oh god who's this creepy guy he's stalking us come here hide behind me this is so creepy oh god" lol it's hilarious) or to solid number closes) in his SHIFT product…I highly recommend checking them out. His game isn't even THAT great, there's lot of uncalibrated shit in places but he understands the overall strategy and when to shift gears and calibrate and push things and when to jump through windows or force them open and when to stick in where other guys would eject etc…

In his SHIFT product, the one titled "Night Chill game (that anybody can do)" is great, he goes up against all odds to pull off a solid number and possibly a "ditch your friends" pull handling a huge group of mother hens gaming a girl over a railing (not even being IN the club himself) and you can see a bunch of better looking dudes around them but the girls are all focused on him because he's the one bringing the emotions…the "From Club to Apartment" one is a good example of just overall solid game and plowing through obstacles (her friend in the club and her wanting to go back for her friend and dealing with drunk people and trying to handle the cameraman following them (it sounds impossible till you see how he does it and then it makes sense that she doesn't clue in)). And "Nightgame at Hot LA Club" where he picks up some pornstar chick is a good example of a VERY solid number close with massive hardcore time-bridging which is what I think is necessary to get solid number closes these days and handling Tyler interrupting and trying to sabotage the set and her big jacked orbiter friend etc. And "Daygame Warm Up, Approach and Pull" is a good vid of him way out of state and super uncalibrated and awkward but slowly loosening up and just sticking in set and trying to self-amuse until he gets into a more natural flow and he takes a stripper back to his hotel room off the street.

Definitely find a way to check them out, they're each like 30 min long and he does full breakdowns throughout them. Very valuable learning resource and you can watch a lot of pickup dynamics playing out in realtime with crystal clear footage.

Yup, they are definitely great resources and OH NO WHOOPS I SLIPPED AND FELL AND OH NO WHAT JUST SPILLED ALL OVER THE GROUND:

OH GOD I'M SO CLUMSY NO ONE BETTER DOWNLOAD AND SAVE THOSE HOURS OF VALUABLE INFIELD BREAKDOWN FOOTAGE TO WATCH AND LEARN FROM BEFORE THEY GET DELETED THAT'S FOR SURE ESPECIALLY NOT GUYS LIKE @FORGE THE SKY @CULUM STRUAN @SCRIBBLERG @SUN WUKONG @SENTIENT ETC

…lol


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on January 26th, 2016 at 10:56 am
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To watch some of these dynamics in action on a very subtle level (like the girls competing for him will try to get his attention or stand closer to him etc trying to mate-guard reacting to preselection/jealousy and social proof), there’s a video in Julien’s PIMP product called “How I pick up an eastern european model in the day” which has a good demo of him taking over a starbucks (along with analysis breakdowns and explanations of his mindsets/strategies) and playing girls off eachother and pretending to know people he doesn’t know and toward the end he even introduces a random girl as his girlfriend to another girl who he tells that the random girl is his girlfriend so they both think the other is his girlfriend when they meet and then he walks off with the hotter one lol

Also in Julien’s SHIFT product there’s an infield vid called “Getting into state” where he has a few bootcamp students and they all run preselection/social proof game in the daytime building up a huge hub of girls who all think they know the other girls and you can see the girls reacting to the shifting dynamics and new girls entering the set and how much Julien’s value raises just by running a little strategy and understanding how it affects the dynamics and the girls’ perceptions.

It costs $0, you don’t have to be drunk, you don’t have to go to a bar, you don’t have to be <30, you don't have to be jacked, you can just go out and apply this type of strategic shit and boost your value up from nothing.

There are some other good infield vids with full breakdowns (30 min from meet to pull (literally into his apartment including having to distract her from the cameraman in the same elevator as them "oh god who's this creepy guy he's stalking us come here hide behind me this is so creepy oh god" lol it's hilarious) or to solid number closes) in his SHIFT product…I highly recommend checking them out. His game isn't even THAT great, there's lot of uncalibrated shit in places but he understands the overall strategy and when to shift gears and calibrate and push things and when to jump through windows or force them open and when to stick in where other guys would eject etc…

In his SHIFT product, the one titled "Night Chill game (that anybody can do)" is great, he goes up against all odds to pull off a solid number and possibly a "ditch your friends" pull handling a huge group of mother hens gaming a girl over a railing (not even being IN the club himself) and you can see a bunch of better looking dudes around them but the girls are all focused on him because he's the one bringing the emotions…the "From Club to Apartment" one is a good example of just overall solid game and plowing through obstacles (her friend in the club and her wanting to go back for her friend and dealing with drunk people and trying to handle the cameraman following them (it sounds impossible till you see how he does it and then it makes sense that she doesn't clue in)). And "Nightgame at Hot LA Club" where he picks up some pornstar chick is a good example of a VERY solid number close with massive hardcore time-bridging which is what I think is necessary to get solid number closes these days and handling Tyler interrupting and trying to sabotage the set and her big jacked orbiter friend etc. And "Daygame Warm Up, Approach and Pull" is a good vid of him way out of state and super uncalibrated and awkward but slowly loosening up and just sticking in set and trying to self-amuse until he gets into a more natural flow and he takes a stripper back to his hotel room off the street.

Definitely find a way to check them out, they're each like 30 min long and he does full breakdowns throughout them. Very valuable learning resource and you can watch a lot of pickup dynamics playing out in realtime with crystal clear footage.

Yup, they are definitely great resources and OH NO WHOOPS I SLIPPED AND FELL AND OH NO WHAT JUST SPILLED ALL OVER THE GROUND:

OH GOD I'M SO CLUMSY NO ONE BETTER DOWNLOAD AND SAVE THOSE HOURS OF VALUABLE INFIELD BREAKDOWN FOOTAGE TO WATCH AND LEARN FROM BEFORE THEY GET DELETED THAT'S FOR SURE ESPECIALLY NOT GUYS LIKE @FORGE THE SKY @CULUM STRUAN @SCRIBBLERG @SUN WUKONG @SENTIENT ETC

…lol


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on January 26th, 2016 at 10:58 am
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Make sure you click the Watch on YouTube link because that’s a playlist btw

@Rollo
Fucking lol at that clip. So accurate.


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Make sure you click the Watch on YouTube link because that’s a playlist btw

@Rollo
Fucking lol at that clip. So accurate.


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on January 26th, 2016 at 11:04 am
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(also I recommend watching the Night Chill Game video first, it’s the best example of overall skillset that anyone can do with the best calibration to what’s going on…this is the most “flawless” pickup in terms of him creating a smooth pickup experience. There’s more miscalibration in the nightclub ones etc, but pay attention to the little things like his subcomms where he makes sure to lock-in (his back to a wall and the girl facing him), uses dominant kino, isn’t fazed by being rejected for the makeout, lets silences hang, tons of laser eye-contact, lots of self amusement, shifting into rapport/comfort at points then back out to attraction, plowing through obstacles/objections etc))

(also he purposely tells girls he has 2 kids and a girlfriend for FUN, like he purposely handicaps himself because it’s self-amusing to him…THAT’S abundance lol)


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(also I recommend watching the Night Chill Game video first, it’s the best example of overall skillset that anyone can do with the best calibration to what’s going on…this is the most “flawless” pickup in terms of him creating a smooth pickup experience. There’s more miscalibration in the nightclub ones etc, but pay attention to the little things like his subcomms where he makes sure to lock-in (his back to a wall and the girl facing him), uses dominant kino, isn’t fazed by being rejected for the makeout, lets silences hang, tons of laser eye-contact, lots of self amusement, shifting into rapport/comfort at points then back out to attraction, plowing through obstacles/objections etc))

(also he purposely tells girls he has 2 kids and a girlfriend for FUN, like he purposely handicaps himself because it’s self-amusing to him…THAT’S abundance lol)


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on January 26th, 2016 at 11:55 am
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@Rollo
“I imagine it’s powerful stuff if you can work it into an approach.”

That’s a good example of moving a pawn, but it’s even more powerful if you use it to work the entire chessboard.

Oldschool Mystery Method used a lot of merging sets, merging sets forward, and springboarding off sets…the idea being that if you open a set and introduce them to another set as your friends, neither set realizes that you don’t know the other set because normally anyone who does that would know the people involved, and no one really questions it because why WOULD you? Especially if you provide them conversation topics like “this is Sarah she said she loves your dress” etc

By the time anyone actually gets around to asking “so how do you know YaReally?” they all already love you enough that they think it’s ballsy/confident when everyone is like “we just met him, wait you did too??” and you’re already in another set with other girls lol

Most guys have a really myopic view of pickup like “ok I want that girl, what can I say/do to her to get her” (not saying this is what you meant but just that’s how what you wrote is often interpreted by newbies). Whereas when you get all these dynamics you look at it more like “ok I want that girl, what can I say/do AROUND her to get her?” which is often the best way to go for the really hot ones because the hottest girls often need to choose YOU. Like oldschool Mystery/Tyler said “You don’t choose a 10, a 10 chooses YOU.”

So that’s where we get into “well if I opened the dudes right there, I’ll have social proof to open the mixed set beside them, and I can use those girls as preselection to make that 10s set more receptive to me opening them, then engage her friends and ignore her so she chases my attention, and now I have that girl choosing me and seeing me as super high-value because as far as she knows I KNOW all those people I she’s seen me talking to, especially if I can introduce a couple of them by name to her group…compared to if I had just gone right into her group and said “hey I think you’re adorable I had to come say hi” or just have a smooth pickup line like “don’t I know you from somewhere?” that I deliver directly to her (in fact you could combine the two, do all that other shit and then when she’s vying for your attention and you tease her a bit THEN say “don’t I know you from somewhere?” and go into that routine)

I love the game lol This strategy stuff is all fun to me. And it’s why I don’t have to be jacked or rich or young or have a car or a nice condo or know anyone when I walk into the venue/event etc…because a guy who can execute that strategy comes off high-value even if he’s dressed like a homeless bum etc because girls will just assume “well he MUST be high-value maybe he’s just really casual about being rich or maybe he’s a powerful movie producer or something, he has all this social value so I’m curious what everyone else knows that I don’t” and that’s enough of an “in” to build Attraction and go into Rapport/Comfort/extract/etc. And once she likes me she’ll rationalize away all my flaws…if she wants a ride in a BMW she has 5 orbiters with BMWs for that, but those guys won’t excite her with an emotional rollercoaster like my teasing her will.


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@Rollo
“I imagine it’s powerful stuff if you can work it into an approach.”

That’s a good example of moving a pawn, but it’s even more powerful if you use it to work the entire chessboard.

Oldschool Mystery Method used a lot of merging sets, merging sets forward, and springboarding off sets…the idea being that if you open a set and introduce them to another set as your friends, neither set realizes that you don’t know the other set because normally anyone who does that would know the people involved, and no one really questions it because why WOULD you? Especially if you provide them conversation topics like “this is Sarah she said she loves your dress” etc

By the time anyone actually gets around to asking “so how do you know YaReally?” they all already love you enough that they think it’s ballsy/confident when everyone is like “we just met him, wait you did too??” and you’re already in another set with other girls lol

Most guys have a really myopic view of pickup like “ok I want that girl, what can I say/do to her to get her” (not saying this is what you meant but just that’s how what you wrote is often interpreted by newbies). Whereas when you get all these dynamics you look at it more like “ok I want that girl, what can I say/do AROUND her to get her?” which is often the best way to go for the really hot ones because the hottest girls often need to choose YOU. Like oldschool Mystery/Tyler said “You don’t choose a 10, a 10 chooses YOU.”

So that’s where we get into “well if I opened the dudes right there, I’ll have social proof to open the mixed set beside them, and I can use those girls as preselection to make that 10s set more receptive to me opening them, then engage her friends and ignore her so she chases my attention, and now I have that girl choosing me and seeing me as super high-value because as far as she knows I KNOW all those people I she’s seen me talking to, especially if I can introduce a couple of them by name to her group…compared to if I had just gone right into her group and said “hey I think you’re adorable I had to come say hi” or just have a smooth pickup line like “don’t I know you from somewhere?” that I deliver directly to her (in fact you could combine the two, do all that other shit and then when she’s vying for your attention and you tease her a bit THEN say “don’t I know you from somewhere?” and go into that routine)

I love the game lol This strategy stuff is all fun to me. And it’s why I don’t have to be jacked or rich or young or have a car or a nice condo or know anyone when I walk into the venue/event etc…because a guy who can execute that strategy comes off high-value even if he’s dressed like a homeless bum etc because girls will just assume “well he MUST be high-value maybe he’s just really casual about being rich or maybe he’s a powerful movie producer or something, he has all this social value so I’m curious what everyone else knows that I don’t” and that’s enough of an “in” to build Attraction and go into Rapport/Comfort/extract/etc. And once she likes me she’ll rationalize away all my flaws…if she wants a ride in a BMW she has 5 orbiters with BMWs for that, but those guys won’t excite her with an emotional rollercoaster like my teasing her will.


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“What I’m very curious is about is what happens when these girlies hit the wall? Beta chodes will still abound, no doubt but will they have any practice even being a girlfriend? Will they even be able to fake it?”

Mass chaos. Beta uprising shootings will skyrocket as the gap in the 80/20 becomes 95/5 (already from what I’m seeing I can’t imagine how a normal AFC is getting any kind of pussy, they need the planets to align like a miracle just to get some social circle 5 wasted and high and bored/horny enough to happen to pick them for one night and that guy is probably a PIMP compared to his buddies). Open cuckoldry will be in full swing. Men will raise other men’s children and be too scared of feminists and the law to protest it if they know about it, or commit suicide when they find out about it.

Divorce-raping a couple suckers before 30 will be a standard mass-spread tactic for securing provision without being locked down. These chicks at 30+ will use every tactic in the book and then some to lock down sucker beta chodes, including getting as much of the law and government on their side as possible to take money from single guys like me to pay for their bad decisions and ADD behavior, especially as they realize working at 40+ isn’t fun like it was at 25 when the CEO with a wife and 2 kids was flirting with them in the office.

Millions of bastard sons and daughters will grow up in broken homes and when single moms die their kids all end up orphaned. That generation will grow up even more fucked up because even if they have “parents” they’ll be some fucked up combo of a single mom spending all day on Facebook inviting random Tinder guys over and some beta chode cuckold who puts up with it and neither will have the ability or experience to instill or teach/demonstrate any kind of discipline or self-control so that when that generation grows up the end of society will begin.

I’ve always kept a pretty optimistic outlook, but the more time I spend around the <25yo crowd (tons of stories I haven't told you guys) the more it's looking like this:

…because it's not there isn't a way out of this spiral. It's that more and more I can't think of a reason why anyone in the <25yo generation would WANT a way out of it or would have the self-discipline/control to stick to a way out of it. They're happy as fuck with how things are because they don't see the long-term consequences of their current actions. They're a beautiful mess and won't figure that out until it blindsides them and they won't be equipped to deal with it and those of us that could give them guidance will be long gone. That's why red pill writing is important…it'll outlive us all and may turn things around one day, long after we're all dust.

In the meantime I will be lounging poolside, sipping a margarita with a 19yo giving me head as I watch it all burn down.


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“What I’m very curious is about is what happens when these girlies hit the wall? Beta chodes will still abound, no doubt but will they have any practice even being a girlfriend? Will they even be able to fake it?”

Mass chaos. Beta uprising shootings will skyrocket as the gap in the 80/20 becomes 95/5 (already from what I’m seeing I can’t imagine how a normal AFC is getting any kind of pussy, they need the planets to align like a miracle just to get some social circle 5 wasted and high and bored/horny enough to happen to pick them for one night and that guy is probably a PIMP compared to his buddies). Open cuckoldry will be in full swing. Men will raise other men’s children and be too scared of feminists and the law to protest it if they know about it, or commit suicide when they find out about it.

Divorce-raping a couple suckers before 30 will be a standard mass-spread tactic for securing provision without being locked down. These chicks at 30+ will use every tactic in the book and then some to lock down sucker beta chodes, including getting as much of the law and government on their side as possible to take money from single guys like me to pay for their bad decisions and ADD behavior, especially as they realize working at 40+ isn’t fun like it was at 25 when the CEO with a wife and 2 kids was flirting with them in the office.

Millions of bastard sons and daughters will grow up in broken homes and when single moms die their kids all end up orphaned. That generation will grow up even more fucked up because even if they have “parents” they’ll be some fucked up combo of a single mom spending all day on Facebook inviting random Tinder guys over and some beta chode cuckold who puts up with it and neither will have the ability or experience to instill or teach/demonstrate any kind of discipline or self-control so that when that generation grows up the end of society will begin.

I’ve always kept a pretty optimistic outlook, but the more time I spend around the <25yo crowd (tons of stories I haven't told you guys) the more it's looking like this:

…because it's not there isn't a way out of this spiral. It's that more and more I can't think of a reason why anyone in the <25yo generation would WANT a way out of it or would have the self-discipline/control to stick to a way out of it. They're happy as fuck with how things are because they don't see the long-term consequences of their current actions. They're a beautiful mess and won't figure that out until it blindsides them and they won't be equipped to deal with it and those of us that could give them guidance will be long gone. That's why red pill writing is important…it'll outlive us all and may turn things around one day, long after we're all dust.

In the meantime I will be lounging poolside, sipping a margarita with a 19yo giving me head as I watch it all burn down.


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“His very Blue Pill view of why he jumped in and cock blocked aside (“You were being an asshole” “Yes, I was, and it was working before you jumped in”)”

lol that’s why I’m keeping a low profile in my new city. I don’t want to have a bunch of blue pill guys around me when I’m sarging. Just recently I befriended one who was passing through town and he was an otherwise cool guy but of course when the smokin 9 sat down beside me and I started busting on her and we had deep sexual laser eye-contact with little flirty subcomms as we joked about her tits, buddy chirps up “DUDE YOU CAN’T SAY THAT TO GIRLS YOU SHOULDN’T SAY THAT MAN WOW SORRY ABOUT MY BUDDY THAT’S REALLY RUDE MAN” and of course now that the girl has social clout to shit-test me with she jumps on board with him so it’s 2 on 1 and her friend reads the situation as she doesn’t like me and pulls her away before I can smooth it over.

Meanwhile I would have had both of us laid by them if he had shut the fuck up lol ’cause she was LOVING it until HE set the precedent that it was “wrong”.

I would much rather sarge solo or with just one good wingman than have a dozen of those guys in every bar I walk into lol When I’m in my late 40s feeling too old for the bars (though that’s questionable with you old fucks here setting a good inspiring example of still hitting it up at 50+ lol) I might go that route and just deal with them because I’ll at least get social circle benefits (aka the poon they foolishly bring around an old man with a frame 100000x stronger than theirs and a shitload of experience seducing girls lol), but right now nope, I don’t wanna deal with that hassle even if it means I have to pay cover or don’t get as many free drinks or have a few nights where I’m inside my head feeling like the loner at the bar etc.


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“His very Blue Pill view of why he jumped in and cock blocked aside (“You were being an asshole” “Yes, I was, and it was working before you jumped in”)”

lol that’s why I’m keeping a low profile in my new city. I don’t want to have a bunch of blue pill guys around me when I’m sarging. Just recently I befriended one who was passing through town and he was an otherwise cool guy but of course when the smokin 9 sat down beside me and I started busting on her and we had deep sexual laser eye-contact with little flirty subcomms as we joked about her tits, buddy chirps up “DUDE YOU CAN’T SAY THAT TO GIRLS YOU SHOULDN’T SAY THAT MAN WOW SORRY ABOUT MY BUDDY THAT’S REALLY RUDE MAN” and of course now that the girl has social clout to shit-test me with she jumps on board with him so it’s 2 on 1 and her friend reads the situation as she doesn’t like me and pulls her away before I can smooth it over.

Meanwhile I would have had both of us laid by them if he had shut the fuck up lol ’cause she was LOVING it until HE set the precedent that it was “wrong”.

I would much rather sarge solo or with just one good wingman than have a dozen of those guys in every bar I walk into lol When I’m in my late 40s feeling too old for the bars (though that’s questionable with you old fucks here setting a good inspiring example of still hitting it up at 50+ lol) I might go that route and just deal with them because I’ll at least get social circle benefits (aka the poon they foolishly bring around an old man with a frame 100000x stronger than theirs and a shitload of experience seducing girls lol), but right now nope, I don’t wanna deal with that hassle even if it means I have to pay cover or don’t get as many free drinks or have a few nights where I’m inside my head feeling like the loner at the bar etc.


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“and her friend is like “oh yeah” she has this guy here, that guy there… this one flying her in for the weekend” etc. and her phone was blowing up the whole night…. a late 30’s 6.5.”

Yup. Like I say, any guy who doubts girls are COMMONLY coming out of college with N-counts of 50+, just hang onto a 6’s cell phone for a weekend and look at her social media and ask yourself how much self-restraint YOU would have if YOU had that many offers coming at you and no one telling you not to take them and in fact all of society telling you you’re empowered if you DO take them.

One move I’ve been seeing to give you an idea of what’s happening out there: these girls go get wasted and fucked up on drugs, then Tinder like 10 guys to come over because in their mind they just want to keep the good feels fun going. And whichever guys show up and fight it out over her and win, she fucks them…OR SHE DOESN’T and she just gets too fucked up wasted and goes to bed and passes out and just leaves all the guys in her apartment for her roommates etc to deal with and kick out or straggle around and she just hopes it all goes away somehow by morning because there’s no concept of responsibility or danger or anything. It’s just “bad feels, I don’t wanna deal with it, bye I’m going to bed” and she just assumes it’ll all work itself out for her.

You might think “oh that’s just the crazy bar sluts”. But that’s because you haven’t hung around the <25yo crowd much and seen how widespread this shit is right now. It's not that they're ALL doing this kind of thing, but it's NOT just a minority anymore, and it's not even just in the <25yo crowd.

And you might say "oh well go to Eastern Europe etc they're all magical unicorns there" but they're not. The RSD guys fly all over the world and half of Julien's infield footage is in EE with those unicorns reacting to PUA just like girls here do. You might find some unicorns in some small EE village somewhere just like you might find some in some small-town USA somewhere, but at the end of the day you are fighting an entire SOCIETY pushing the social conditioning on them to embrace self-destruction. Even if you DID meet a unicorn, you would have a hell of a task in front of you to keep them from being influenced by society and social media and social conditioning over the course of a 40 year marriage, especially if you get your unicorn 21yo virgin and she has to make it through her 20s without going on a girl's night out where her friends will try to bring her down into the mud with them so they feel better about themselves lol

This is kind of partly why I can't entirely blame MGTOW for their choice to just bail on the whole thing lol Like, I GET it. There are things you can do to help with this stuff when you understand game, like I let girls know I don't think drugs are cool and they aren't allowed to do that shit around me and that I'll send them home if they show up at my door hammered when I carved out time for them etc. And my buddy and I are fieldtesting some ideas on setting date frames that encourage the girls to come out for drinks INSTEAD of coming over to netflix & chill (which I can't believe we have to do now lol, but like I want girls to dress up and to come to my part of the city, I don't want to just head to their place and fuck them in their sweatpants, so I'm experimenting with "can I make that sound cool and exciting and make netflix & chill sound lame and boring?").

But I would say right now and the next 5-10 years are probably going to be the bleakest era. I still think all these feminists dying alone and bitter will help shift things after that, but it'll be an uphill battle. Social media isn't going anywhere, BUT the fact that girls are starting to respond well to cold approach live pickup again now that all the chodes are using Tinder as a buffer, little signs like that tell me that girls are realizing for their own self-interest they may need to try new tactics out. Like I say a lot of what I'm saying is for the 1-8 range of girls…the legit smokin hot stunners seem more likely (so far) to appreciate the value of a guy who can cold approach, call them instead of txt, lead things forward, etc because the 1-8 girls don't know those Tinder guys are mostly chodes but the 9-10 girls have often met enough of them or have enough of them in their social circle that they know those are a dead end and the 50,000 likes on their Instagram photo don't mean anything like they do to the 1-8 girls.


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“and her friend is like “oh yeah” she has this guy here, that guy there… this one flying her in for the weekend” etc. and her phone was blowing up the whole night…. a late 30’s 6.5.”

Yup. Like I say, any guy who doubts girls are COMMONLY coming out of college with N-counts of 50+, just hang onto a 6’s cell phone for a weekend and look at her social media and ask yourself how much self-restraint YOU would have if YOU had that many offers coming at you and no one telling you not to take them and in fact all of society telling you you’re empowered if you DO take them.

One move I’ve been seeing to give you an idea of what’s happening out there: these girls go get wasted and fucked up on drugs, then Tinder like 10 guys to come over because in their mind they just want to keep the good feels fun going. And whichever guys show up and fight it out over her and win, she fucks them…OR SHE DOESN’T and she just gets too fucked up wasted and goes to bed and passes out and just leaves all the guys in her apartment for her roommates etc to deal with and kick out or straggle around and she just hopes it all goes away somehow by morning because there’s no concept of responsibility or danger or anything. It’s just “bad feels, I don’t wanna deal with it, bye I’m going to bed” and she just assumes it’ll all work itself out for her.

You might think “oh that’s just the crazy bar sluts”. But that’s because you haven’t hung around the <25yo crowd much and seen how widespread this shit is right now. It's not that they're ALL doing this kind of thing, but it's NOT just a minority anymore, and it's not even just in the <25yo crowd.

And you might say "oh well go to Eastern Europe etc they're all magical unicorns there" but they're not. The RSD guys fly all over the world and half of Julien's infield footage is in EE with those unicorns reacting to PUA just like girls here do. You might find some unicorns in some small EE village somewhere just like you might find some in some small-town USA somewhere, but at the end of the day you are fighting an entire SOCIETY pushing the social conditioning on them to embrace self-destruction. Even if you DID meet a unicorn, you would have a hell of a task in front of you to keep them from being influenced by society and social media and social conditioning over the course of a 40 year marriage, especially if you get your unicorn 21yo virgin and she has to make it through her 20s without going on a girl's night out where her friends will try to bring her down into the mud with them so they feel better about themselves lol

This is kind of partly why I can't entirely blame MGTOW for their choice to just bail on the whole thing lol Like, I GET it. There are things you can do to help with this stuff when you understand game, like I let girls know I don't think drugs are cool and they aren't allowed to do that shit around me and that I'll send them home if they show up at my door hammered when I carved out time for them etc. And my buddy and I are fieldtesting some ideas on setting date frames that encourage the girls to come out for drinks INSTEAD of coming over to netflix & chill (which I can't believe we have to do now lol, but like I want girls to dress up and to come to my part of the city, I don't want to just head to their place and fuck them in their sweatpants, so I'm experimenting with "can I make that sound cool and exciting and make netflix & chill sound lame and boring?").

But I would say right now and the next 5-10 years are probably going to be the bleakest era. I still think all these feminists dying alone and bitter will help shift things after that, but it'll be an uphill battle. Social media isn't going anywhere, BUT the fact that girls are starting to respond well to cold approach live pickup again now that all the chodes are using Tinder as a buffer, little signs like that tell me that girls are realizing for their own self-interest they may need to try new tactics out. Like I say a lot of what I'm saying is for the 1-8 range of girls…the legit smokin hot stunners seem more likely (so far) to appreciate the value of a guy who can cold approach, call them instead of txt, lead things forward, etc because the 1-8 girls don't know those Tinder guys are mostly chodes but the 9-10 girls have often met enough of them or have enough of them in their social circle that they know those are a dead end and the 50,000 likes on their Instagram photo don't mean anything like they do to the 1-8 girls.


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“Lolololol….. that is verbatim what my WK buddy is always always doing…. But he usually says I’m an asshole as well… I keep shaking my head thinking he will get it but he is constitutionally incapable of it. Which is funny because he is pretty alpha in all traditional ways – money, exec job, hunts, fishes, uses tools etc…”

The irony is if he made ONE little shift and simply lol’ed along with what you said and when the girl looked at him he said in a FUN way “lol ya watch out my buddy is an asshole” like not in an embarrassed/scolding way like he’s apologizing for you but in a playful/challenging way like “yup he’s an asshole but we all love him so what are ya gonna do girlie? lol”

If he made that ONE shift, you would get MASSIVE attraction boosts from the girls because he would be setting the precedent that what you’re doing is FINE and actually FUNNY and she’s pinging off her environment for how to feel so that’s two awesome guys lol’ing about this thing you said/did, so she assumes well it must be awesome then so I’ll be attracted now!

I have tons of experience with this because when I sarge around new people I learned I have to tone down my assholishness a ton because they will sabotage me by killing the vibe since they don’t get my style of game…but then when I’m gaming with my close buddies who know me and they react how I’m describing, I get crazy attraction and girls loving me.

Bribe him to spend one night just lol’ing at everything you say to girls. Call it a social experiment lol


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“Lolololol….. that is verbatim what my WK buddy is always always doing…. But he usually says I’m an asshole as well… I keep shaking my head thinking he will get it but he is constitutionally incapable of it. Which is funny because he is pretty alpha in all traditional ways – money, exec job, hunts, fishes, uses tools etc…”

The irony is if he made ONE little shift and simply lol’ed along with what you said and when the girl looked at him he said in a FUN way “lol ya watch out my buddy is an asshole” like not in an embarrassed/scolding way like he’s apologizing for you but in a playful/challenging way like “yup he’s an asshole but we all love him so what are ya gonna do girlie? lol”

If he made that ONE shift, you would get MASSIVE attraction boosts from the girls because he would be setting the precedent that what you’re doing is FINE and actually FUNNY and she’s pinging off her environment for how to feel so that’s two awesome guys lol’ing about this thing you said/did, so she assumes well it must be awesome then so I’ll be attracted now!

I have tons of experience with this because when I sarge around new people I learned I have to tone down my assholishness a ton because they will sabotage me by killing the vibe since they don’t get my style of game…but then when I’m gaming with my close buddies who know me and they react how I’m describing, I get crazy attraction and girls loving me.

Bribe him to spend one night just lol’ing at everything you say to girls. Call it a social experiment lol


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“What I don’t get about this is just the math. I mean, it’s not like there are all of a sudden ten times as many guys as girls. Are these beta chode dudes just choding it up for multiple girls all spam approach style? Like “If I can’t fly Ashley to Paris, I’ll see if I can get Stacy, Katie or Jessica to go with me.” ?”

Yup. That’s exactly what they’re doing. That’s part of the big shift mentioned somewhere in that TRP link I linked earlier in this thread. There was a point where people were just matching people they were into and crafted actual conversation etc, but now all the chodes are on these sites and just mass spamming the girls. With everything from pickup routines to “DTF?” etc

Because those guys are so thirsty that they don’t really care which one they get…they can filter them out if they’re terrible once they hook them, they all just want the first response from anything.

But the 2/10 fat uggo that all the 6-pack Joes (who’s too scared to cold approach so he’s on Tinder cause he has hot shirtless pics and can get laid in a system that reduces guys value down to their photos) swipe when they’re drunk and mass swiping 200 profiles without even looking at their phone screen, has 50 6-pack Joes matching her and thinks she’s batting a thousand…and a few of those guys will be lonely horny and desperate and drunk enough to come over and fuck her.

Avoid online game, learn cold approach. Or get super jacked for online game and bang a bunch of 6s (who’ve invited 10 other guys to their after party at the same time as you) because the 9s are at the bar looking for the guy with balls enough to approach them or hanging in their social circles selecting guys through that lol

(it’s probably not THAT bleak, like I’m sure good looking dudes can find the occasional 8 etc on Tinder and it’s definitely low investment to get a 6 to want to bang you but like, that’s not a path I would put newbies on that’s going to lead to them being happy in a good mental state down the road lol)


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“What I don’t get about this is just the math. I mean, it’s not like there are all of a sudden ten times as many guys as girls. Are these beta chode dudes just choding it up for multiple girls all spam approach style? Like “If I can’t fly Ashley to Paris, I’ll see if I can get Stacy, Katie or Jessica to go with me.” ?”

Yup. That’s exactly what they’re doing. That’s part of the big shift mentioned somewhere in that TRP link I linked earlier in this thread. There was a point where people were just matching people they were into and crafted actual conversation etc, but now all the chodes are on these sites and just mass spamming the girls. With everything from pickup routines to “DTF?” etc

Because those guys are so thirsty that they don’t really care which one they get…they can filter them out if they’re terrible once they hook them, they all just want the first response from anything.

But the 2/10 fat uggo that all the 6-pack Joes (who’s too scared to cold approach so he’s on Tinder cause he has hot shirtless pics and can get laid in a system that reduces guys value down to their photos) swipe when they’re drunk and mass swiping 200 profiles without even looking at their phone screen, has 50 6-pack Joes matching her and thinks she’s batting a thousand…and a few of those guys will be lonely horny and desperate and drunk enough to come over and fuck her.

Avoid online game, learn cold approach. Or get super jacked for online game and bang a bunch of 6s (who’ve invited 10 other guys to their after party at the same time as you) because the 9s are at the bar looking for the guy with balls enough to approach them or hanging in their social circles selecting guys through that lol

(it’s probably not THAT bleak, like I’m sure good looking dudes can find the occasional 8 etc on Tinder and it’s definitely low investment to get a 6 to want to bang you but like, that’s not a path I would put newbies on that’s going to lead to them being happy in a good mental state down the road lol)


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“Too bad he managed to make the number in to no response. Guess he got what he wanted. If he can’t have her, nobody can. AFCs got a crab mentality, man.”

Those guys are legitimately happy with this outcome. They don’t even care if they get the girl, they think they will EVENTUALLY when she realizes he’s better than all these jerks, their goal is just to make sure YOU don’t get her.

…but I can’t blame them I do the same thing to other guys lol but just when they’re dicks to me and earn it. If they play nice I’ll help wing them even lol

A young bait dude can be good to roll with because they usually have good energy still (like my mid-30s wing is tough to get out sometimes because he feels like he’s old and tired even though he’s in better shape than me lol but like he’s feeling the effects of gaming for the long-term ’cause he doesn’t have solid mindsets/reframes in and is embracing the negative “I’m so tired of the game, man” mentality which will bite him in the ass when he still hasn’t found a unicorn at 40 whereas I’ve wired my mindsets specifically so that I’ll still LOVE the game at 40 etc).

And having bait will teach you a lot about energy. The girls will get drawn into him and at first you’ll get dwarfed, even excluded from the set while 3 girls all face him fighting over his attention and you stand there dick in hand being ignored completely. But over time you learn to step up and when you start stepping up and realizing that you can bowl over him by causing more emotional impact etc till you have nights where those 3 girls are all facing YOU fighting over YOUR attention with HIM standing there dick in hand being ignored completely confused, you realize what I’m always saying about looks lol

My best wing was a 6’4″ super good-looking peacocked Natural with GOOD game (more conscious than most Naturals, we had a lot of strategic talks in Natural Lingo lol) who slayed poon left and right at unreal rates…but he was also the hardest wing I’ve ever had to learn to wing with because I had a lot of my own insecurities about looks etc back when I met him and sarging with him forced me to step up or go home dick in hand and that’s where I started pushing my comfort zones and really delving into the whole looks VS emotional impact thing because he had looks and game over me, but his game didn’t have the explosive emotional impact that PUA taught me. Like I say, in that Julien clip where he’s telling the girls how fat other girls are those girls are fully focused on him instead of his better looking buddies…in almost ALL his infield footage you’ll see better looking guys in the background that the girl’s “should” be jumping on according to TRP logic and social conditioning etc, but Julien understands how to make an emotional impact so the girls focus on him.


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“Too bad he managed to make the number in to no response. Guess he got what he wanted. If he can’t have her, nobody can. AFCs got a crab mentality, man.”

Those guys are legitimately happy with this outcome. They don’t even care if they get the girl, they think they will EVENTUALLY when she realizes he’s better than all these jerks, their goal is just to make sure YOU don’t get her.

…but I can’t blame them I do the same thing to other guys lol but just when they’re dicks to me and earn it. If they play nice I’ll help wing them even lol

A young bait dude can be good to roll with because they usually have good energy still (like my mid-30s wing is tough to get out sometimes because he feels like he’s old and tired even though he’s in better shape than me lol but like he’s feeling the effects of gaming for the long-term ’cause he doesn’t have solid mindsets/reframes in and is embracing the negative “I’m so tired of the game, man” mentality which will bite him in the ass when he still hasn’t found a unicorn at 40 whereas I’ve wired my mindsets specifically so that I’ll still LOVE the game at 40 etc).

And having bait will teach you a lot about energy. The girls will get drawn into him and at first you’ll get dwarfed, even excluded from the set while 3 girls all face him fighting over his attention and you stand there dick in hand being ignored completely. But over time you learn to step up and when you start stepping up and realizing that you can bowl over him by causing more emotional impact etc till you have nights where those 3 girls are all facing YOU fighting over YOUR attention with HIM standing there dick in hand being ignored completely confused, you realize what I’m always saying about looks lol

My best wing was a 6’4″ super good-looking peacocked Natural with GOOD game (more conscious than most Naturals, we had a lot of strategic talks in Natural Lingo lol) who slayed poon left and right at unreal rates…but he was also the hardest wing I’ve ever had to learn to wing with because I had a lot of my own insecurities about looks etc back when I met him and sarging with him forced me to step up or go home dick in hand and that’s where I started pushing my comfort zones and really delving into the whole looks VS emotional impact thing because he had looks and game over me, but his game didn’t have the explosive emotional impact that PUA taught me. Like I say, in that Julien clip where he’s telling the girls how fat other girls are those girls are fully focused on him instead of his better looking buddies…in almost ALL his infield footage you’ll see better looking guys in the background that the girl’s “should” be jumping on according to TRP logic and social conditioning etc, but Julien understands how to make an emotional impact so the girls focus on him.


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@Andy
“JEEEeeeesus…. So, I’m assuming there’s some handsome jacked guys out there with zero game, but crazy abundance?”

That’s how it’s looking, but with caveats. Those guys are generally going to be found running online game, because their zero game doesn’t hold up in real life approaches, and the selection of girls in online game is less than awesome lol So generally those guys will be banging a shitload of 5-7s with the occasional 8 and rare 9 and a lot of those girls are damage cases (kids, drugs, cheating, crazy, etc) because online game is swarming with a bunch of shitty people who’ve realized they can get laid through it after the cool/beautiful people all had our run at it lol

So like, ya they technically have abundance, but again it’s not a path I would send a guy down ideally. Learn game and you can cold approach the girls who are too hot/quality to be on OKCupid and you can build social circles that give you access to hotter girls (and THEN hit the gym if you want, but prioritize learning GAME over the gym first lol).


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@Andy
“JEEEeeeesus…. So, I’m assuming there’s some handsome jacked guys out there with zero game, but crazy abundance?”

That’s how it’s looking, but with caveats. Those guys are generally going to be found running online game, because their zero game doesn’t hold up in real life approaches, and the selection of girls in online game is less than awesome lol So generally those guys will be banging a shitload of 5-7s with the occasional 8 and rare 9 and a lot of those girls are damage cases (kids, drugs, cheating, crazy, etc) because online game is swarming with a bunch of shitty people who’ve realized they can get laid through it after the cool/beautiful people all had our run at it lol

So like, ya they technically have abundance, but again it’s not a path I would send a guy down ideally. Learn game and you can cold approach the girls who are too hot/quality to be on OKCupid and you can build social circles that give you access to hotter girls (and THEN hit the gym if you want, but prioritize learning GAME over the gym first lol).


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@redlight @kent
“You need to get to the point where she sees that attractive women flirt with you”

Ya, the trick is that when SHE doesn’t see you as attractive, she can’t see other girls flirt with you. She will rationalize it away as you just imagining it etc. But when she’s attracted to you, she’ll project that onto other girls and assume other girls want you and she’ll see and blow up the flirting in her mind as a real threat.

Tyler covers some of this dynamic (how her perception of you shifts) around 3:25 in this clip but the whole clip is good:


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@redlight @kent
“You need to get to the point where she sees that attractive women flirt with you”

Ya, the trick is that when SHE doesn’t see you as attractive, she can’t see other girls flirt with you. She will rationalize it away as you just imagining it etc. But when she’s attracted to you, she’ll project that onto other girls and assume other girls want you and she’ll see and blow up the flirting in her mind as a real threat.

Tyler covers some of this dynamic (how her perception of you shifts) around 3:25 in this clip but the whole clip is good:


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@Yollo
I walk away like a little bitch and let everyone in the bar laugh at me and think I’m a huge pussy and then Chad Thundercock who was up in my grill fucks the shit out of the girl I was trying to bang.

Nothing that happens in a bar is worth fighting over. I always walk away or get a bouncer. I’ll even leave the venue and go to a different one if I think it’s not a situation that will de-escalate.

Other people’s fights I don’t get involved in at all, I just walk in the other direction instead of walking toward them to see them better or standing around gawking at them. I don’t have any interest in being mistaken for one of the guys involved in the fight and getting swept into it or tossed out.

Guys I sarge who are into the fighting mindset (despite what a big pussy vagina I am I hang out with manly blue collar MMA construction etc types as much as I hang out with effeminate cityboy pansies, everyone loves me lol) I tell them flat out when we first start hanging out regularly that I don’t have their back in a fight. I’ll get them to a hospital or let their family know they’re in jail afterward but I won’t be jumping in to scrap with a bunch of idiot bar drunks over something that could’ve been avoided by just walking away instead of trying to protect mah street rep brah

Haven’t been in a fight since I was like 12 lol But I’m very aware of my surroundings and the risks of what I’m doing/saying and I always err on the side of caution first. And I don’t have the ego that gets most guys into fights where they’re somehow concerned that some people they’ll never see again and don’t even give a shit about and won’t remember them, will think they’re a pussy if they back down lol I’m at the bar to talk to and fuck girls, not to swing fists and end up disfigured or accidentally killing someone when their head bounces off the corner of a bar stool awkwardly.

(and if I don’t want to leave I just use social pressure to get them to back down, search my archives for stuff on this…everyone caves to social pressure if you apply enough of it. The only ones who don’t are legit sociopaths and they generally aren’t out at a nightclub and are easy to spot because they’re missing half their teeth and covered in scars and shit from all the fucked up shit they’ve gotten into over the years…your random MMA buddy and jacked bro and tough old man who talks about how much ass he’d kick on forums like this aren’t legit sociopaths, they’ll all cave to social pressure if you figure out the right type and how much to apply)

@Culum
Massive props on pushing your comfort zone lately and you experiments with lasers and shit. Glad what I’ve been saying is making sense (dat field experience being king and all).

One thing with the lasers is make sure it’s a relaxed lasers and not the bug-eye one…check the vids and my explanation of the difference here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-113726

This is another good James Franco clip, dude has laser eye-contact on fucking lockdown:

Look how it’s verrrry relaxed VS very intense like the 50 Shades dude. It’s the exact same eye-contact you’d make if you just woke up from banging a girl all night long and your hair is all disheveled and she’s asking what you want for breakfast curled up to you and you just kind of half-dozing look at her and drop into that low slow croaking/vocal fry/growling bedroom voice and your eyes are too heavy/tired to bother looking around the room they’ve found a focal point (her eyes) and are just lingering there enjoying it. I’m pretty sure that’s what makes it powerful for them, is you’re duplicating the subcomms of a guy who just got laid lol Being sick will often do this too, you’re too tired to look around all over the place and your voice is low and your movements are slower etc and a lot of the subcomms are the same, a lot of guys (myself included) have reported huge attraction when we sarge sick.

Anyway props dude. I’ve been reading your shit but time is limited right now and you’re making good progress pushing yourself as it is. Attempting all that kissing stuff with this 38yo was good shit, like ya she’s not gonna put out ’cause she’s at that age where she HAS to lock a husband down, but like, if she was 32 or 25 etc what you were doing would have probably flipped her. And you held your frame and didn’t take it seriously or anything. Be careful to calibrate so it doesn’t come off rapey (lol) and keep your “this is no big deal I am just amusing myself” smile through it and give her chances to back away or leave etc but like, what you described was all awesome and half the reason is just because you were probably pushing way past your comfort zone.

Like the other guys I also don’t tell them my career. There’s no reason for them to know. Most of the time if they ask me what I do for a living it’s because I’ve let the conversation get into boring talk so now she’s doing stuff like looking to see if my shoes match my belt and looking for a watch and finding out my job etc etc The stuff she’ll do if I’m not giving her more emotional impact to focus on…she doesn’t ACTUALLY care what I do for a living, she just doesn’t know how to fill conversation gaps except by asking resume questions like that because she’s a girl why WOULD she have the fine-tuned social skills that we develop, she has TITS lol If I’m lasering and running proper game she can’t even tell me what design is on my shirt or what color my shoes are because she’s fully focused on the emotional impact I’m giving her lol

But on a dinner date etc it can be hard to keep the talk up, so I just make up a fake job and change subjects to her job.

Also remember that part of what makes the lasering build sexual tension is cutting the space (look your dude-friend in the eye from across the room, then 6 feet away, then 6 inches away, the 6 inches feels fucking weird and fight or flighty but for girls that’s the butterflies in the stomach sexual tension feeling). It’s hard to do that at a table because you’re sitting across from eachother, but you can start by leaning back in your chair and then as she gets attracted lean forward on the table, often she’ll mirror you and you can both get your faces a lot closer leaning forwards (I specifically pick venues with small tables, some pubs etc have HUGE fucking tables that make it a nightmare, but a lot of shittier dive-bars will have little 2-3 chair round tables that are perfect (I arrive first and put my jacket etc on the 3rd chair and pull the 2nd in kino distance but facing me so I have lasers and light kino, and I arrange them so that my back is to a wall and her back is to the room so I can see any interrupts etc coming and all she sees is me and she forgets the room of people is behind her which helps her loosen up and lowers ASD etc).

That all said, another opportunity to cut the space is when you both stand up to leave…that’s actually part of why having a couple venue changes helps (like Mystery says “I’d rather have 1 hour in 5 venues than 5 hours in 1 venue”), not only does it help with the comfort and time distortion stuff but every time you both stand up it gives you a chance to close the space a bit and get up in her grill lasering as you help her put her jacket on or hand her something or just tease her by not moving out of the way etc…even if you just laser and get close and then don’t actually kiss her, you’re building that tension. At the bar on Saturday I was making out with a blonde and kept doing Julien’s “laser and go in for the kiss but then turn and give her the cheek at the last second” thing over and over on a chick and she was loving it and kept coming back to me even though she had jacked dudes going for her lol cause I was building more sexual tension than them and leaving her devalidated etc.

Making eye-contact will make you seem confident…making eye-contact while cutting the space will make you seem like a sexual “threat”…and like the old PUA saying goes: she should always feel that when she’s interacting with you she’s in imminent danger of being fucked. lol


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I walk away like a little bitch and let everyone in the bar laugh at me and think I’m a huge pussy and then Chad Thundercock who was up in my grill fucks the shit out of the girl I was trying to bang.

Nothing that happens in a bar is worth fighting over. I always walk away or get a bouncer. I’ll even leave the venue and go to a different one if I think it’s not a situation that will de-escalate.

Other people’s fights I don’t get involved in at all, I just walk in the other direction instead of walking toward them to see them better or standing around gawking at them. I don’t have any interest in being mistaken for one of the guys involved in the fight and getting swept into it or tossed out.

Guys I sarge who are into the fighting mindset (despite what a big pussy vagina I am I hang out with manly blue collar MMA construction etc types as much as I hang out with effeminate cityboy pansies, everyone loves me lol) I tell them flat out when we first start hanging out regularly that I don’t have their back in a fight. I’ll get them to a hospital or let their family know they’re in jail afterward but I won’t be jumping in to scrap with a bunch of idiot bar drunks over something that could’ve been avoided by just walking away instead of trying to protect mah street rep brah

Haven’t been in a fight since I was like 12 lol But I’m very aware of my surroundings and the risks of what I’m doing/saying and I always err on the side of caution first. And I don’t have the ego that gets most guys into fights where they’re somehow concerned that some people they’ll never see again and don’t even give a shit about and won’t remember them, will think they’re a pussy if they back down lol I’m at the bar to talk to and fuck girls, not to swing fists and end up disfigured or accidentally killing someone when their head bounces off the corner of a bar stool awkwardly.

(and if I don’t want to leave I just use social pressure to get them to back down, search my archives for stuff on this…everyone caves to social pressure if you apply enough of it. The only ones who don’t are legit sociopaths and they generally aren’t out at a nightclub and are easy to spot because they’re missing half their teeth and covered in scars and shit from all the fucked up shit they’ve gotten into over the years…your random MMA buddy and jacked bro and tough old man who talks about how much ass he’d kick on forums like this aren’t legit sociopaths, they’ll all cave to social pressure if you figure out the right type and how much to apply)

@Culum
Massive props on pushing your comfort zone lately and you experiments with lasers and shit. Glad what I’ve been saying is making sense (dat field experience being king and all).

One thing with the lasers is make sure it’s a relaxed lasers and not the bug-eye one…check the vids and my explanation of the difference here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-113726

This is another good James Franco clip, dude has laser eye-contact on fucking lockdown:

Look how it’s verrrry relaxed VS very intense like the 50 Shades dude. It’s the exact same eye-contact you’d make if you just woke up from banging a girl all night long and your hair is all disheveled and she’s asking what you want for breakfast curled up to you and you just kind of half-dozing look at her and drop into that low slow croaking/vocal fry/growling bedroom voice and your eyes are too heavy/tired to bother looking around the room they’ve found a focal point (her eyes) and are just lingering there enjoying it. I’m pretty sure that’s what makes it powerful for them, is you’re duplicating the subcomms of a guy who just got laid lol Being sick will often do this too, you’re too tired to look around all over the place and your voice is low and your movements are slower etc and a lot of the subcomms are the same, a lot of guys (myself included) have reported huge attraction when we sarge sick.

Anyway props dude. I’ve been reading your shit but time is limited right now and you’re making good progress pushing yourself as it is. Attempting all that kissing stuff with this 38yo was good shit, like ya she’s not gonna put out ’cause she’s at that age where she HAS to lock a husband down, but like, if she was 32 or 25 etc what you were doing would have probably flipped her. And you held your frame and didn’t take it seriously or anything. Be careful to calibrate so it doesn’t come off rapey (lol) and keep your “this is no big deal I am just amusing myself” smile through it and give her chances to back away or leave etc but like, what you described was all awesome and half the reason is just because you were probably pushing way past your comfort zone.

Like the other guys I also don’t tell them my career. There’s no reason for them to know. Most of the time if they ask me what I do for a living it’s because I’ve let the conversation get into boring talk so now she’s doing stuff like looking to see if my shoes match my belt and looking for a watch and finding out my job etc etc The stuff she’ll do if I’m not giving her more emotional impact to focus on…she doesn’t ACTUALLY care what I do for a living, she just doesn’t know how to fill conversation gaps except by asking resume questions like that because she’s a girl why WOULD she have the fine-tuned social skills that we develop, she has TITS lol If I’m lasering and running proper game she can’t even tell me what design is on my shirt or what color my shoes are because she’s fully focused on the emotional impact I’m giving her lol

But on a dinner date etc it can be hard to keep the talk up, so I just make up a fake job and change subjects to her job.

Also remember that part of what makes the lasering build sexual tension is cutting the space (look your dude-friend in the eye from across the room, then 6 feet away, then 6 inches away, the 6 inches feels fucking weird and fight or flighty but for girls that’s the butterflies in the stomach sexual tension feeling). It’s hard to do that at a table because you’re sitting across from eachother, but you can start by leaning back in your chair and then as she gets attracted lean forward on the table, often she’ll mirror you and you can both get your faces a lot closer leaning forwards (I specifically pick venues with small tables, some pubs etc have HUGE fucking tables that make it a nightmare, but a lot of shittier dive-bars will have little 2-3 chair round tables that are perfect (I arrive first and put my jacket etc on the 3rd chair and pull the 2nd in kino distance but facing me so I have lasers and light kino, and I arrange them so that my back is to a wall and her back is to the room so I can see any interrupts etc coming and all she sees is me and she forgets the room of people is behind her which helps her loosen up and lowers ASD etc).

That all said, another opportunity to cut the space is when you both stand up to leave…that’s actually part of why having a couple venue changes helps (like Mystery says “I’d rather have 1 hour in 5 venues than 5 hours in 1 venue”), not only does it help with the comfort and time distortion stuff but every time you both stand up it gives you a chance to close the space a bit and get up in her grill lasering as you help her put her jacket on or hand her something or just tease her by not moving out of the way etc…even if you just laser and get close and then don’t actually kiss her, you’re building that tension. At the bar on Saturday I was making out with a blonde and kept doing Julien’s “laser and go in for the kiss but then turn and give her the cheek at the last second” thing over and over on a chick and she was loving it and kept coming back to me even though she had jacked dudes going for her lol cause I was building more sexual tension than them and leaving her devalidated etc.

Making eye-contact will make you seem confident…making eye-contact while cutting the space will make you seem like a sexual “threat”…and like the old PUA saying goes: she should always feel that when she’s interacting with you she’s in imminent danger of being fucked. lol


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I also warn girls I’m dating or take out for a night of drinking that I’m not going to clean up their messes if they get white girl wasted and start drama in the bar. I tell them that when I tell them to shut up they shut up and let me handle the situation (and talk the situation down) and if they open their mouths again I will flat out just walk away. They’ll turn around and I won’t be there because I’ll already be in a cab home texting some other girl who’s less drama. Only had to actually follow through on that a couple times lol

Very few girls go “you’re not a real man you’re supposed to protect me” like most people would think…most girls are more like “wtf this guy has an enforces boundaries and doesn’t budge on them I think he really WOULD just walk away” and try not to fuck up lol Because it’s not like I let them think I WILL step up and protect them and then chicken out, I tell them flat out from the start that I expect them not to start shit with people and what will happen if they do so I’m actually following and enforcing my personal values/boundaries etc which is attractive.

Guys will be like “this one time I punched this dude out and his head exploded and then his bitch sucked my dick in the bathroom”. Good on you, glad it worked out. More often than not the girl is gone by the time the fight is broken up, or she’s moved on to a different guy, or she’s drunk and crying her eyes out about other drama herself. I can get other girls in other venues on other nights, I don’t need THAT one she’s all yours brah, bye Felicia lol


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I also warn girls I’m dating or take out for a night of drinking that I’m not going to clean up their messes if they get white girl wasted and start drama in the bar. I tell them that when I tell them to shut up they shut up and let me handle the situation (and talk the situation down) and if they open their mouths again I will flat out just walk away. They’ll turn around and I won’t be there because I’ll already be in a cab home texting some other girl who’s less drama. Only had to actually follow through on that a couple times lol

Very few girls go “you’re not a real man you’re supposed to protect me” like most people would think…most girls are more like “wtf this guy has an enforces boundaries and doesn’t budge on them I think he really WOULD just walk away” and try not to fuck up lol Because it’s not like I let them think I WILL step up and protect them and then chicken out, I tell them flat out from the start that I expect them not to start shit with people and what will happen if they do so I’m actually following and enforcing my personal values/boundaries etc which is attractive.

Guys will be like “this one time I punched this dude out and his head exploded and then his bitch sucked my dick in the bathroom”. Good on you, glad it worked out. More often than not the girl is gone by the time the fight is broken up, or she’s moved on to a different guy, or she’s drunk and crying her eyes out about other drama herself. I can get other girls in other venues on other nights, I don’t need THAT one she’s all yours brah, bye Felicia lol


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@Sentient
“I find that actually speaking in your mind amplifies the sexual vibe… so you are lasering and in your mind going “yeah. I know you know we want to fuck. we both know it”… and project that into the back of her head.”

If it helps, do it lol

You can even verbalize it if you want (40 min and 39 sec into this vid):

“Also helps to “force” sexualization by moving your focus from her eyes to her neck and to her lips… especially when she is speaking.”

Trianglular gazing, oldschool tactic:

http://www.pualingo.com/triangular-gazing/

@hoellenhund2
“I happen to remember another mice experiment that supports YeReally’s view:”

lol’ed. And ya, that one doesn’t bode well for us.

“I disagree with some of his predictions, though. There won’t be mass chaos, at least not on a national or state level.”

Wait till all the other sexually frustrated 95% of guys see that the first beta uprising who doesn’t kill himself at the end of his shooting spree ends up with a fanclub of girls who want to fuck, date, marry and have kids with him. It will be a nightmare that snowballs way past what anyone can imagine.

That’s part of why it’s important to get this information out now and why I stress in MSM appearances just focus on reaching the guys in the audience not Oprah and The View chicks sitting across from you, and why I like Sandman and his clear concise bite-size videos that pop up when you type MGTOW, and why I’m here in the Manosphere clearing up misconceptions about PUA…we just need to give as many men a chance of finding a way out of those negative frustrated mindsets as soon as possible. That’s why I don’t care if they choose MGTOW, MRA, PUA, TRP, Manosphere, hell even Roosh’s cult, whatever, it’s all good it all helps them escape the plantation or see some kind of hope or protect themselves or not commit suicide, like through whatever method they need to understand that they were sold a pack of lies and there are solutions out there.

@Sentient
“But you can amp up our state dramatically with music.”

This is key. I’m sure I’ve mentioned it before but like, you have to program your brain with good shit. Society is programming you with garbage, from music to movies etc it’s all Blue Pill mindset shit, songs about chasing The One and missing a girl and movies where guys are fighting over some average chick and trying to woo her with flowers, newspapers full of dumbed down stories and blogs full of shock stories and nightly newscasts about all the worst shit happening in society because that’s what people tune in to hear about (the news is designed to send you on an emotional rollercoaster, bunch of negative stories and then aww the local puppy shelter held a bake sale look at the cute puppy, rinse repeat).

Program your brain. Control the content you consume and pick content that puts you in a good state and keeps you in positive mindsets. I still listen to angsty weepy music and I still watch sad/deep movies, but I watch them on like, a Sunday or Monday where I’m not going out socializing lol Once Wednesday hits it’s all positive and all awesomeness. I play RSD vids all the time that’s why I know which vids to link when subjects come up, because the content in them is a thousand times better than some depressing weepy emo rant by some negative vblogger that’s going viral and everyone else is consuming.

When I go out solo I spent a few hours before the bar just blasting and singing along to good music as I shower up, compliment myself in the mirror affirmation-style about how awesome I am, plaster a fake smile on my face (change your physiology and all that, the smile eventually becomes real), visualize opening sets successfully, watch funny shit on YouTube, I’ll watch a few episodes of Keys to the VIP or some pickup infield etc so when I head out I’m feeling good and social. It doesn’t just magically HAPPEN…it’s like the gym, most people don’t WANT to go to the gym when they wake up, but they find ways to get themselves there because they made a commitment and once they get there with their headphones on etc they enjoy it but like most people don’t come home from an 8 hour shift and lay around for a few hours lethargically staring at a TV screen zoning out like a zombie till 8pm and then go “I WANNA GO SOCIALIZE WITH STRANGERS ALL BY MYSELF IN A HIGH-ENERGY ENVIRONMENT WOOO!!!” But you made a commitment so you take pro-active steps to get yourself out of a negative zombie introvert mode and into a social positive extrovert mode. It’s on YOU to do that.

I had to do it Saturday, wing was out of town so I had to hit a kiddie nightclub solo. Was so close to bailing but I try to never miss Fri & Sat (I’ve had years where I’ve literally only missed a couple of them) unless like, I’m on the verge of death ill and even THEN I’ll pop some meds and dristan and get out there. This Saturday I could’ve just gone back to sleep. No one would have known. I could have even told people I went out and just made a Field Report up for my buddies, no one would ever find out my little secret. It would be soooo easy, I’m soooo tired and underslept and this bed is sooooo comfy and I can’t visualize anything but failure all I picture is me being low-energy tired and standing around in a corner all night I might as well not go no one is going to want to interact with that guy and I can’t see myself turning this around in just a few hours ughhhh…

But I made a commitment. So I roll out of bed, flip on the lights, put music on and start my process. Had one of my best nights in a long time, making out with a hot blonde, solid number from another girl, opened a bunch of other chicks, befriended random dudes, made friends with a bartender, went along on an adventure to an epic afterparty full of strangers and hooked up. Could never have imagined that was going to happen when I was laying there like a zombie thinking about bailing.

Like the PUA saying goes: “I’ve never regretted a night out, but I always regret staying in.”

Don’t let society program your brain, it wants you docile and retarded and lethargic and self-doubting so you stay in line. Society’s programming is how you GOT here in the first place. Take pro-active steps to program it with good healthy positive shit. Save the zombie mode for lazy days.

(when I go out with buddies I’ll sometimes go out with lower energy or a zombie state because I know I can ride their energy a bit, but if it’s a solo night or we’re hitting a high-energy venue I pump my state for it because why wouldn’t you do your stretches before the big game? Common sense)

“Wala – as a DJ now, you must see a lot of this kind of state amping and building?”

That’s literally the purpose of a DJ. Like Tyler says: a lot of guys forget that a bar/club is designed to pump your state. It’s not SUPPOSED to be a hellish nightmare obstacle course that makes you feel bad…everything IN there, from the booze to the music to the dance floor to the lights and smoke and entertainers and girls dancing and social bartenders and shit, it’s all designed to help people pump their state and forget about their shitty lives lol

Girls are amazing in that they fully understand pumping their state, even if they don’t do it consciously. That’s why girls are always the first ones on the dance floor and why they scream OMG when they see eachother and get shitfaced and dance on the stripper pole and shit, they’re doing stuff that gets them outside their head and pumps their state and gets them living in the present moment fully unstifled saying and doing whatever comes to mind without hesitation no fucks given what anyone thinks YOLO!!!!!, while guys stand around trying to be James Bond fully stifled and inside their heads and overthinking everything and worrying about how they look or what people think of them.

@Forge the Sky
“I’m afraid people are increasingly disengaging from reality. We talk about how betas are retreating into booze, porn and videogames.”

The diff between what men and women are doing is that men’s antisocial shit they’re falling into will fuck over their chances of replication. But women with their social media you could argue that it’s actually optimal for them to be obsessed with social media because they can land Justin Beiber if they put up the right Instagram pic of their ass. The problem is 99% of them won’t get Beiber but also won’t be satisfied with Joe Accountant because they think they CAN get Beiber, so their Hypergamy will never be satisfied. Which is why I can’t imagine settling down and marrying a chick…even if I could make sure she doesn’t have a single bad feels day in 40 years, I can’t keep some AAA celeb from Liking her Instagram pic and if I ban her from all social media I’m an abusive controlling monster and her friends will sabotage us. I don’t see a way to win that game. In a pLTR I could keep her in enough dread and keep my value up enough that I satisfy her Hypergamy for the most part, but in a traditional monoLTR? Not a chance. Tie half my assets and visitation of my children to her in that arrangement? lol fuck no.

“We talk less about how women are retreating into social media – such that it’s not even a matter of competing for them in the right way, there is no right way, they aren’t even on the market, they have no needs left for a man to fill that’s worth the effort for them”

This. It’s fascinating to see, but is a huge monkey wrench. This is also why I always stress infield experience and like, while I love some of the older settled down guys here and respect their opinions and all, if they aren’t out there trying to actively stick their dick in <25yo poon they don't understand how fast things are changing and how fast their information becomes outdated. No one saw this shit coming back when we were carrying around shitty Motorola Razors that could barely load the internet and had 100 text a month limits and shit lol And you can't just know this is happening if you aren't out there infield or surrounded by guys who are reporting what they're finding out there.

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@Sentient
“I find that actually speaking in your mind amplifies the sexual vibe… so you are lasering and in your mind going “yeah. I know you know we want to fuck. we both know it”… and project that into the back of her head.”

If it helps, do it lol

You can even verbalize it if you want (40 min and 39 sec into this vid):

“Also helps to “force” sexualization by moving your focus from her eyes to her neck and to her lips… especially when she is speaking.”

Trianglular gazing, oldschool tactic:

http://www.pualingo.com/triangular-gazing/

@hoellenhund2
“I happen to remember another mice experiment that supports YeReally’s view:”

lol’ed. And ya, that one doesn’t bode well for us.

“I disagree with some of his predictions, though. There won’t be mass chaos, at least not on a national or state level.”

Wait till all the other sexually frustrated 95% of guys see that the first beta uprising who doesn’t kill himself at the end of his shooting spree ends up with a fanclub of girls who want to fuck, date, marry and have kids with him. It will be a nightmare that snowballs way past what anyone can imagine.

That’s part of why it’s important to get this information out now and why I stress in MSM appearances just focus on reaching the guys in the audience not Oprah and The View chicks sitting across from you, and why I like Sandman and his clear concise bite-size videos that pop up when you type MGTOW, and why I’m here in the Manosphere clearing up misconceptions about PUA…we just need to give as many men a chance of finding a way out of those negative frustrated mindsets as soon as possible. That’s why I don’t care if they choose MGTOW, MRA, PUA, TRP, Manosphere, hell even Roosh’s cult, whatever, it’s all good it all helps them escape the plantation or see some kind of hope or protect themselves or not commit suicide, like through whatever method they need to understand that they were sold a pack of lies and there are solutions out there.

@Sentient
“But you can amp up our state dramatically with music.”

This is key. I’m sure I’ve mentioned it before but like, you have to program your brain with good shit. Society is programming you with garbage, from music to movies etc it’s all Blue Pill mindset shit, songs about chasing The One and missing a girl and movies where guys are fighting over some average chick and trying to woo her with flowers, newspapers full of dumbed down stories and blogs full of shock stories and nightly newscasts about all the worst shit happening in society because that’s what people tune in to hear about (the news is designed to send you on an emotional rollercoaster, bunch of negative stories and then aww the local puppy shelter held a bake sale look at the cute puppy, rinse repeat).

Program your brain. Control the content you consume and pick content that puts you in a good state and keeps you in positive mindsets. I still listen to angsty weepy music and I still watch sad/deep movies, but I watch them on like, a Sunday or Monday where I’m not going out socializing lol Once Wednesday hits it’s all positive and all awesomeness. I play RSD vids all the time that’s why I know which vids to link when subjects come up, because the content in them is a thousand times better than some depressing weepy emo rant by some negative vblogger that’s going viral and everyone else is consuming.

When I go out solo I spent a few hours before the bar just blasting and singing along to good music as I shower up, compliment myself in the mirror affirmation-style about how awesome I am, plaster a fake smile on my face (change your physiology and all that, the smile eventually becomes real), visualize opening sets successfully, watch funny shit on YouTube, I’ll watch a few episodes of Keys to the VIP or some pickup infield etc so when I head out I’m feeling good and social. It doesn’t just magically HAPPEN…it’s like the gym, most people don’t WANT to go to the gym when they wake up, but they find ways to get themselves there because they made a commitment and once they get there with their headphones on etc they enjoy it but like most people don’t come home from an 8 hour shift and lay around for a few hours lethargically staring at a TV screen zoning out like a zombie till 8pm and then go “I WANNA GO SOCIALIZE WITH STRANGERS ALL BY MYSELF IN A HIGH-ENERGY ENVIRONMENT WOOO!!!” But you made a commitment so you take pro-active steps to get yourself out of a negative zombie introvert mode and into a social positive extrovert mode. It’s on YOU to do that.

I had to do it Saturday, wing was out of town so I had to hit a kiddie nightclub solo. Was so close to bailing but I try to never miss Fri & Sat (I’ve had years where I’ve literally only missed a couple of them) unless like, I’m on the verge of death ill and even THEN I’ll pop some meds and dristan and get out there. This Saturday I could’ve just gone back to sleep. No one would have known. I could have even told people I went out and just made a Field Report up for my buddies, no one would ever find out my little secret. It would be soooo easy, I’m soooo tired and underslept and this bed is sooooo comfy and I can’t visualize anything but failure all I picture is me being low-energy tired and standing around in a corner all night I might as well not go no one is going to want to interact with that guy and I can’t see myself turning this around in just a few hours ughhhh…

But I made a commitment. So I roll out of bed, flip on the lights, put music on and start my process. Had one of my best nights in a long time, making out with a hot blonde, solid number from another girl, opened a bunch of other chicks, befriended random dudes, made friends with a bartender, went along on an adventure to an epic afterparty full of strangers and hooked up. Could never have imagined that was going to happen when I was laying there like a zombie thinking about bailing.

Like the PUA saying goes: “I’ve never regretted a night out, but I always regret staying in.”

Don’t let society program your brain, it wants you docile and retarded and lethargic and self-doubting so you stay in line. Society’s programming is how you GOT here in the first place. Take pro-active steps to program it with good healthy positive shit. Save the zombie mode for lazy days.

(when I go out with buddies I’ll sometimes go out with lower energy or a zombie state because I know I can ride their energy a bit, but if it’s a solo night or we’re hitting a high-energy venue I pump my state for it because why wouldn’t you do your stretches before the big game? Common sense)

“Wala – as a DJ now, you must see a lot of this kind of state amping and building?”

That’s literally the purpose of a DJ. Like Tyler says: a lot of guys forget that a bar/club is designed to pump your state. It’s not SUPPOSED to be a hellish nightmare obstacle course that makes you feel bad…everything IN there, from the booze to the music to the dance floor to the lights and smoke and entertainers and girls dancing and social bartenders and shit, it’s all designed to help people pump their state and forget about their shitty lives lol

Girls are amazing in that they fully understand pumping their state, even if they don’t do it consciously. That’s why girls are always the first ones on the dance floor and why they scream OMG when they see eachother and get shitfaced and dance on the stripper pole and shit, they’re doing stuff that gets them outside their head and pumps their state and gets them living in the present moment fully unstifled saying and doing whatever comes to mind without hesitation no fucks given what anyone thinks YOLO!!!!!, while guys stand around trying to be James Bond fully stifled and inside their heads and overthinking everything and worrying about how they look or what people think of them.

@Forge the Sky
“I’m afraid people are increasingly disengaging from reality. We talk about how betas are retreating into booze, porn and videogames.”

The diff between what men and women are doing is that men’s antisocial shit they’re falling into will fuck over their chances of replication. But women with their social media you could argue that it’s actually optimal for them to be obsessed with social media because they can land Justin Beiber if they put up the right Instagram pic of their ass. The problem is 99% of them won’t get Beiber but also won’t be satisfied with Joe Accountant because they think they CAN get Beiber, so their Hypergamy will never be satisfied. Which is why I can’t imagine settling down and marrying a chick…even if I could make sure she doesn’t have a single bad feels day in 40 years, I can’t keep some AAA celeb from Liking her Instagram pic and if I ban her from all social media I’m an abusive controlling monster and her friends will sabotage us. I don’t see a way to win that game. In a pLTR I could keep her in enough dread and keep my value up enough that I satisfy her Hypergamy for the most part, but in a traditional monoLTR? Not a chance. Tie half my assets and visitation of my children to her in that arrangement? lol fuck no.

“We talk less about how women are retreating into social media – such that it’s not even a matter of competing for them in the right way, there is no right way, they aren’t even on the market, they have no needs left for a man to fill that’s worth the effort for them”

This. It’s fascinating to see, but is a huge monkey wrench. This is also why I always stress infield experience and like, while I love some of the older settled down guys here and respect their opinions and all, if they aren’t out there trying to actively stick their dick in <25yo poon they don't understand how fast things are changing and how fast their information becomes outdated. No one saw this shit coming back when we were carrying around shitty Motorola Razors that could barely load the internet and had 100 text a month limits and shit lol And you can't just know this is happening if you aren't out there infield or surrounded by guys who are reporting what they're finding out there.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/miami-doctor-accused-attacking-uber-driver-calls-biggest/story?id=36542246

“After THINGS “get physical”” (because they “just happen”, really who can place the blame, we certainly can’t blame her initiating the physical assault so let’s just say “things got physical”, look people MISTAKES WERE MADE)

“…and she’s PUSHED TO THE GROUND” (NOW we can blame someone, look at that monster pushing this helpless little girl to the ground!!!)

The whole thing is fucking funny and sad. You could literally predict everything this apology contains, from dramatic shots of her overlooking the city to sad pained music, to her bullshit excuses about why that “wasn’t me” and how that’s never happened, to all her bullshit about how responsible she was being, to the photos of her being a nice innocent normal girl. The news anchor even gives her the out of “you seemed to snap” so she can say it was all totally out of character and her lowest point in her life bla bla bla.

GUARANTEED this chick acts like this EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND she parties. 100%. And if her med career wasn’t at risk she wouldn’t be apologizing at all, she would be saying “fuck that asshole for not driving me”. She advises “We should be careful what we do in public because we can be taped and face severe consequences for these things.” …THAT’S the reason we shouldn’t be a shitty person to other people? Because we might get caught and face consequences for our actions? Not because, you know, you should just not be an asshole? lol

But hey, she’s receiving “mean messages on the cyberspace” so let’s all coddle her and just give her her diploma and send her to the White House to shake Obama’s hand for being so brave and strong.

At least she wasn’t able to claim the Uber driver tried to rape her, props to whoever filmed and posted this shit.


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“After THINGS “get physical”” (because they “just happen”, really who can place the blame, we certainly can’t blame her initiating the physical assault so let’s just say “things got physical”, look people MISTAKES WERE MADE)

“…and she’s PUSHED TO THE GROUND” (NOW we can blame someone, look at that monster pushing this helpless little girl to the ground!!!)

The whole thing is fucking funny and sad. You could literally predict everything this apology contains, from dramatic shots of her overlooking the city to sad pained music, to her bullshit excuses about why that “wasn’t me” and how that’s never happened, to all her bullshit about how responsible she was being, to the photos of her being a nice innocent normal girl. The news anchor even gives her the out of “you seemed to snap” so she can say it was all totally out of character and her lowest point in her life bla bla bla.

GUARANTEED this chick acts like this EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND she parties. 100%. And if her med career wasn’t at risk she wouldn’t be apologizing at all, she would be saying “fuck that asshole for not driving me”. She advises “We should be careful what we do in public because we can be taped and face severe consequences for these things.” …THAT’S the reason we shouldn’t be a shitty person to other people? Because we might get caught and face consequences for our actions? Not because, you know, you should just not be an asshole? lol

But hey, she’s receiving “mean messages on the cyberspace” so let’s all coddle her and just give her her diploma and send her to the White House to shake Obama’s hand for being so brave and strong.

At least she wasn’t able to claim the Uber driver tried to rape her, props to whoever filmed and posted this shit.


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btw they conveniently forgot to mention:

“the girl decides to reach into the front seat, grab his keys, and start walking away with his keys in her hands…. That’s where the video starts…”

“The girl eventually got up from the area the cops had told her to sit and wait, and tried to walk away from the scene.

Once in handcuffs, she then tried kicking some of the police officers on the scene. It was only when they put her in the police car that she started crying, apologizing, and claiming that she would lose her medical license (she claimed to be a neurologist) if she got arrested.”

lol

Also the Uber guy jumped the FUCK out of the cab as soon as she got in ’cause he knows that’s full out FRA territory right there. Dude has clearly driven some drunk bitches home lol

“The Uber driver was too good of a person and decided to take a cash settlement instead of pressing charges”

Let’s just make sure that beta men know that if they let women get away with shitty behavior they’re “good people”, they totes might get laid.

This girl will be doing the exact same shit a year from now when she’s forgotten about the consequences, except she’ll attack the guy holding the camera too.


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btw they conveniently forgot to mention:

“the girl decides to reach into the front seat, grab his keys, and start walking away with his keys in her hands…. That’s where the video starts…”

“The girl eventually got up from the area the cops had told her to sit and wait, and tried to walk away from the scene.

Once in handcuffs, she then tried kicking some of the police officers on the scene. It was only when they put her in the police car that she started crying, apologizing, and claiming that she would lose her medical license (she claimed to be a neurologist) if she got arrested.”

lol

Also the Uber guy jumped the FUCK out of the cab as soon as she got in ’cause he knows that’s full out FRA territory right there. Dude has clearly driven some drunk bitches home lol

“The Uber driver was too good of a person and decided to take a cash settlement instead of pressing charges”

Let’s just make sure that beta men know that if they let women get away with shitty behavior they’re “good people”, they totes might get laid.

This girl will be doing the exact same shit a year from now when she’s forgotten about the consequences, except she’ll attack the guy holding the camera too.


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@scribblerg
“Essentially what I do is throw myself out of the set and miscalibrate and become a pussy beggar – last time was a 20 minute version of that. I’m still not the prize. This is THE ISSUE for old man game. What makes it maddening is that I have a number of little contacts like this one percolating along and I keep fucking it up when I go for it. ”

It’s funny because this is 100% social conditioning. In another culture where older men are respected and admired and where a large age difference is normal, you would have all the confidence you had in your 20s. But your entire life society has fed you a non-stop barrage of “being an old man is low value, young hot girls can’t like old men, you’re too fat, you’re ugly, you’re a loser, you’re so creepy hitting on girls half your age, ugh what a CREEPER, you CREEPY OLD MAN IN A CAFE CREEPING OUT THE GIRLS CREEEEEEEP…you aren’t even giving them MONEY? Or WEED?? You’re a CREEPY OLD MAN you have LOW VALUE you can’t just be attractive to them for your strong dominant frame and life experience and wisdom and assuredness of yourself and social proof and preselection you build up etc, no you’re a CREEPY LOSER OLD MAN who needs to bribe her with stuff to get her to stick around, you should just be happy she’s AROUND who cares if she’s attracted??? That’s the best you can do you LOSER CREEPY OLD MAN HITTING ON GIRLS HALF YOUR AGE IN A CAFE UGHHHHH”

How could you possibly feel entitled to her with that kind of shitty wiring driven into you? But understand that it’s your wiring from a western value system that’s fucking you up. If you could turn off all that bullshit, you could just BE confident and feel entitled to her. A lot of this process will be unwiring that shit.

But it’s hard because how do you do that? You don’t know any 50+yo players slaying younger poon you can hang out with. Media doesn’t show that stuff (although now that a lot of alpha male actors are older there are more examples of it than 10-20 years ago…Californication is a great example of a cool attractive older man, Duchoveny is in his 50s by the end of the show, same with the guy playing Lew Ashby. I know people have qualms with the character but I found the show to be a GREAT inspiration in terms of “man, he’s not really doing anything that I can’t do at that age, he’s just running basic game and most of the girls I know who watch this show would fuck his brains out”). Women are going to tell you to stick to your “appropriate age range”, a bunch of used up 38yo wrinkled chicks with baggage making you wait for sex because they’re looking for a husband. Fuck all that.

That’s why groups like this are important, where you can talk to other guys (AND SHARE FIELD REPORTS, EVEN IF IT’S PRIVATELY IN E-MAIL ETC) around your age range trying to do the same thing. And watch shows like Californication…fuck the shows that show a “badass” older man, focus on shows that show a SEXY older man. Google male celebrity ages (actors, musicians, etc) in their various roles in movies and shit. Check out fangirl pages for older male celebrities. Hit up young venues and chat with the hot bartenders and see if you can get some iois and open any girls that order drinks beside you etc just to gather tiny little iois here and there from younger chicks. All this stuff adds up and helps normalize the idea that “I can be attractive to younger women”.

@Forge
“Here’s a picture of James Holme’s wall in prison.”

Except that he wasn’t a beta uprising guy, he was just batshit (unintentional pun lol). When the first incel who’s goes Eliot Rodgers “I can’t get a girl to like me and now I’m going to kill a bunch of people” and doesn’t kill himself in the end gets the Holmes fanclub treatment, THAT’S when shit is going to hit the fan. ’cause that gives them a path to pussy attention that no one else gave them ’cause we didn’t reach them ’cause we were too busy in-fighting about what pussies MRAs are and how PUA is all a scam etc

@scray
“but most of them, when they are given A HUGE opportunity — like this one — a) don’t realize it’s an opportunity (it seems like this isn’t you) or b) choke!”

lol ya I always say the biggest diff between my highest-poon-slaying Natural buddy and most guys is that he sees the windows of opportunity and takes them while other guys question them or miss them or second-guess them or wait too long. He doesn’t even always take them smoothly, but he takes them and sees where they go. The risk is that “ah what if I fuck it up and it’s awkward and I can’t go to this coffee shop anymore”, but that’s why we encourage guys to go out to bars parks etc instead of relying on shitting where you eat, where you won’t have that “but what if it goes bad??” thought holding you back.

@Sentient @scribblerg
“NOOOOOOOO! No non, nada… the issue has nothing to do with old man, it has to do with you not thinking you are the prize. ”

This. Every time you say “old man game”, you’re trying to differentiate it from “young man game” which is just a special snowflake way of being the emo 14yo kid who “NOBODY CAN UNDERSTAND MY PROBLEMS THEY’RE DIFFERENT YOU GUYS JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT’S LIKE FOR ME”. Every time you do that you’re building up a barrier to your own success because your brain is saying “that might work for THOSE guys, but it won’t work for ME” and going to have resistance.

Like ya, there are a few things here and there that are different being older but it’s not this huge insurmountable wall you’re building up in your head to explain a lack of success. That shit will start to turn into an identity and then you’re REALLY fucked.

RSD Ozzie is running the same high-fiving spin-hugging game the 25yo instructors are running but he fully believes he deserves the girls. You might want to check out his stuff though I don’t think he has any real official product just YouTube vids of him talking. Dude puts me to sleep with his speaking style but the reality is he’s like 50 now and still doing stuff like this:

Infield at 1 minute into this video and 3:20 (he gets the girl on him instead of on the younger cooler guy) and more infield at 4 minutes in (the girl can pick the tall younger better looking guys but she’s busy interacting with Ozzie who looks like a sweaty drunk old homeless man off the street lol but he’s making emotional impact and feels ENTITLED to her)

Ozzie running Group Theory to get through a group to his target, who’s excited to meet him because he’s just DHV’ed a bunch (even in his plain ol’ t-shirt, but WOT WAT ABOUT TEH OLD MAN SUIT OLD MEN MUST WEAR SOOTS!!!):

I don’t wanna hear this “old man game” shit lol

@scray
“what friendzones you is building too much comfort and letting it outpace attraction.”

Good summary. This is why normal AFC guys get friendzoned, their entire approach is based on “if I build enough Comfort she’ll fall in love with me”. Same with guys in the bar, they approach with “hey so what’s your name do you come here often do you go to school here” Comfort zzzzzzz because they don’t have Attraction. Mystery Method goes A1-3, C1-3, S1-3 for a reason. She doesn’t want Comfort with you until she’s Attracted to you and showing you interest, and she doesn’t show interest until you’ve demonstrated value, etc etc. It’s all broken down right there in classic MM lol You don’t give her a chance for Comfort until she’s giving you IOIs AND you Qualify her, because she hasn’t EARNED your interest in getting Comfort with her. But guys just go right for C1. That’s why I can blow them out when I’m running Attraction shit that has WAY more emotional impact than their gay Comfort attempts.


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@scribblerg
“Essentially what I do is throw myself out of the set and miscalibrate and become a pussy beggar – last time was a 20 minute version of that. I’m still not the prize. This is THE ISSUE for old man game. What makes it maddening is that I have a number of little contacts like this one percolating along and I keep fucking it up when I go for it. ”

It’s funny because this is 100% social conditioning. In another culture where older men are respected and admired and where a large age difference is normal, you would have all the confidence you had in your 20s. But your entire life society has fed you a non-stop barrage of “being an old man is low value, young hot girls can’t like old men, you’re too fat, you’re ugly, you’re a loser, you’re so creepy hitting on girls half your age, ugh what a CREEPER, you CREEPY OLD MAN IN A CAFE CREEPING OUT THE GIRLS CREEEEEEEP…you aren’t even giving them MONEY? Or WEED?? You’re a CREEPY OLD MAN you have LOW VALUE you can’t just be attractive to them for your strong dominant frame and life experience and wisdom and assuredness of yourself and social proof and preselection you build up etc, no you’re a CREEPY LOSER OLD MAN who needs to bribe her with stuff to get her to stick around, you should just be happy she’s AROUND who cares if she’s attracted??? That’s the best you can do you LOSER CREEPY OLD MAN HITTING ON GIRLS HALF YOUR AGE IN A CAFE UGHHHHH”

How could you possibly feel entitled to her with that kind of shitty wiring driven into you? But understand that it’s your wiring from a western value system that’s fucking you up. If you could turn off all that bullshit, you could just BE confident and feel entitled to her. A lot of this process will be unwiring that shit.

But it’s hard because how do you do that? You don’t know any 50+yo players slaying younger poon you can hang out with. Media doesn’t show that stuff (although now that a lot of alpha male actors are older there are more examples of it than 10-20 years ago…Californication is a great example of a cool attractive older man, Duchoveny is in his 50s by the end of the show, same with the guy playing Lew Ashby. I know people have qualms with the character but I found the show to be a GREAT inspiration in terms of “man, he’s not really doing anything that I can’t do at that age, he’s just running basic game and most of the girls I know who watch this show would fuck his brains out”). Women are going to tell you to stick to your “appropriate age range”, a bunch of used up 38yo wrinkled chicks with baggage making you wait for sex because they’re looking for a husband. Fuck all that.

That’s why groups like this are important, where you can talk to other guys (AND SHARE FIELD REPORTS, EVEN IF IT’S PRIVATELY IN E-MAIL ETC) around your age range trying to do the same thing. And watch shows like Californication…fuck the shows that show a “badass” older man, focus on shows that show a SEXY older man. Google male celebrity ages (actors, musicians, etc) in their various roles in movies and shit. Check out fangirl pages for older male celebrities. Hit up young venues and chat with the hot bartenders and see if you can get some iois and open any girls that order drinks beside you etc just to gather tiny little iois here and there from younger chicks. All this stuff adds up and helps normalize the idea that “I can be attractive to younger women”.

@Forge
“Here’s a picture of James Holme’s wall in prison.”

Except that he wasn’t a beta uprising guy, he was just batshit (unintentional pun lol). When the first incel who’s goes Eliot Rodgers “I can’t get a girl to like me and now I’m going to kill a bunch of people” and doesn’t kill himself in the end gets the Holmes fanclub treatment, THAT’S when shit is going to hit the fan. ’cause that gives them a path to pussy attention that no one else gave them ’cause we didn’t reach them ’cause we were too busy in-fighting about what pussies MRAs are and how PUA is all a scam etc

@scray
“but most of them, when they are given A HUGE opportunity — like this one — a) don’t realize it’s an opportunity (it seems like this isn’t you) or b) choke!”

lol ya I always say the biggest diff between my highest-poon-slaying Natural buddy and most guys is that he sees the windows of opportunity and takes them while other guys question them or miss them or second-guess them or wait too long. He doesn’t even always take them smoothly, but he takes them and sees where they go. The risk is that “ah what if I fuck it up and it’s awkward and I can’t go to this coffee shop anymore”, but that’s why we encourage guys to go out to bars parks etc instead of relying on shitting where you eat, where you won’t have that “but what if it goes bad??” thought holding you back.

@Sentient @scribblerg
“NOOOOOOOO! No non, nada… the issue has nothing to do with old man, it has to do with you not thinking you are the prize. ”

This. Every time you say “old man game”, you’re trying to differentiate it from “young man game” which is just a special snowflake way of being the emo 14yo kid who “NOBODY CAN UNDERSTAND MY PROBLEMS THEY’RE DIFFERENT YOU GUYS JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT’S LIKE FOR ME”. Every time you do that you’re building up a barrier to your own success because your brain is saying “that might work for THOSE guys, but it won’t work for ME” and going to have resistance.

Like ya, there are a few things here and there that are different being older but it’s not this huge insurmountable wall you’re building up in your head to explain a lack of success. That shit will start to turn into an identity and then you’re REALLY fucked.

RSD Ozzie is running the same high-fiving spin-hugging game the 25yo instructors are running but he fully believes he deserves the girls. You might want to check out his stuff though I don’t think he has any real official product just YouTube vids of him talking. Dude puts me to sleep with his speaking style but the reality is he’s like 50 now and still doing stuff like this:

Infield at 1 minute into this video and 3:20 (he gets the girl on him instead of on the younger cooler guy) and more infield at 4 minutes in (the girl can pick the tall younger better looking guys but she’s busy interacting with Ozzie who looks like a sweaty drunk old homeless man off the street lol but he’s making emotional impact and feels ENTITLED to her)

Ozzie running Group Theory to get through a group to his target, who’s excited to meet him because he’s just DHV’ed a bunch (even in his plain ol’ t-shirt, but WOT WAT ABOUT TEH OLD MAN SUIT OLD MEN MUST WEAR SOOTS!!!):

I don’t wanna hear this “old man game” shit lol

@scray
“what friendzones you is building too much comfort and letting it outpace attraction.”

Good summary. This is why normal AFC guys get friendzoned, their entire approach is based on “if I build enough Comfort she’ll fall in love with me”. Same with guys in the bar, they approach with “hey so what’s your name do you come here often do you go to school here” Comfort zzzzzzz because they don’t have Attraction. Mystery Method goes A1-3, C1-3, S1-3 for a reason. She doesn’t want Comfort with you until she’s Attracted to you and showing you interest, and she doesn’t show interest until you’ve demonstrated value, etc etc. It’s all broken down right there in classic MM lol You don’t give her a chance for Comfort until she’s giving you IOIs AND you Qualify her, because she hasn’t EARNED your interest in getting Comfort with her. But guys just go right for C1. That’s why I can blow them out when I’m running Attraction shit that has WAY more emotional impact than their gay Comfort attempts.


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@scribblerg
Here’s Younger Ozzie, I think he’s like mid 40s here, good mindsets and shit, might help to hear it from the guy who’s still tearing it up in those videos I just linked:


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Here’s Younger Ozzie, I think he’s like mid 40s here, good mindsets and shit, might help to hear it from the guy who’s still tearing it up in those videos I just linked:


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@Blaximus
“I may be dense, but I am always fascinated by this idea of social pressure. Even more strange is that people cave to it so willingly.”

If you’ve ever not sworn around kids, you’ve caved to social pressure. If you’ve ever worn a suit to a wedding, you’ve caved to social pressure. If you’ve ever addressed an older person as Sir or Ma’am in your youth, you’ve caved to social pressure. If you’ve ever not backed down from a potential fight because you didn’t want to look/feel like a pussy, you’ve caved to social pressure.

You just don’t see it as such because you picture social pressure as me rounding up the kids in the schoolyard to call you a poopy-head or someone standing backwards in an elevator and you wouldn’t cave to that.

“I love me some Ya, but , lol, guys need to learn to defend themselves. If you learn to properly defend yourself, you won’y ( likely ) be missing teeth and become riddled with scars.”

The vast VAST majority of guys who pick up missing teeth and scars from bar altercations could have simply walked away but they caved to the social pressure of not wanting to look like a pussy and backing down.

Like he says “I’m not going to fight you, I have kids” He’s actually resisting the social pressure to fight by not fighting them and getting his ass kicked and potentially dying and leaving his kids without a father or provider.

But even in this example he could’ve handled the loud kids a lot better. I’d have joked around with them and asked what they were celebrating and congratulated them and then talked to them like human beings relating that I’m on a date and it’s the first time I’ve been able to escape my kids to hang out with a chick and asked them to help wingman me by keeping it down so we can chat etc. Or even better I’d have used it as an opportunity to pull “too loud in here, let’s go for a walk” and take her to my place to bone.

There’s a dozen other ways he could’ve handled that instead of scolding them like a dick and starting the chain of events that led to where he’s emasculated in front of his date like that.

Nothing that happens in a bar is worth getting in a fight over. I just walk away. That’s why I’m still pretty after years of sarging in venues full of angry sexually frustrated young dudes with too much energy to burn off lol


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“I may be dense, but I am always fascinated by this idea of social pressure. Even more strange is that people cave to it so willingly.”

If you’ve ever not sworn around kids, you’ve caved to social pressure. If you’ve ever worn a suit to a wedding, you’ve caved to social pressure. If you’ve ever addressed an older person as Sir or Ma’am in your youth, you’ve caved to social pressure. If you’ve ever not backed down from a potential fight because you didn’t want to look/feel like a pussy, you’ve caved to social pressure.

You just don’t see it as such because you picture social pressure as me rounding up the kids in the schoolyard to call you a poopy-head or someone standing backwards in an elevator and you wouldn’t cave to that.

“I love me some Ya, but , lol, guys need to learn to defend themselves. If you learn to properly defend yourself, you won’y ( likely ) be missing teeth and become riddled with scars.”

The vast VAST majority of guys who pick up missing teeth and scars from bar altercations could have simply walked away but they caved to the social pressure of not wanting to look like a pussy and backing down.

Like he says “I’m not going to fight you, I have kids” He’s actually resisting the social pressure to fight by not fighting them and getting his ass kicked and potentially dying and leaving his kids without a father or provider.

But even in this example he could’ve handled the loud kids a lot better. I’d have joked around with them and asked what they were celebrating and congratulated them and then talked to them like human beings relating that I’m on a date and it’s the first time I’ve been able to escape my kids to hang out with a chick and asked them to help wingman me by keeping it down so we can chat etc. Or even better I’d have used it as an opportunity to pull “too loud in here, let’s go for a walk” and take her to my place to bone.

There’s a dozen other ways he could’ve handled that instead of scolding them like a dick and starting the chain of events that led to where he’s emasculated in front of his date like that.

Nothing that happens in a bar is worth getting in a fight over. I just walk away. That’s why I’m still pretty after years of sarging in venues full of angry sexually frustrated young dudes with too much energy to burn off lol


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P.S. If you cringe watching that Louie vid, like it grates on your SOUL and it’s difficult to watch him be that emasculated, you’re caving to social pressure. Because logically with no emotions involved he’s making the right decision: de-escalate the situation so that he can go home to his kids. That’s the right move. The reasons why it’s cringe-worth come from social pressure (“but he looks like a pussy!!” “but that girl won’t bang him (scarcity mindset)” “but he let some other guy tool him!!” (embarrassment based on “what do other people think of me/him?” why does their opinion matter?) etc etc.

End of the day his character isn’t in the hospital (even if he was a super ninja badass like you he’d have to take on an entire team of young wrestlers or whatever, life isn’t a Jackie Chan movie lol), or jail (if he DOES win, that kid isn’t gonna stop till Louie MAKES him stop, enjoy the legal hassles and potential jailtime and financial hit), or the morgue (one wrong head-bounce off the edge of that coffee table), and his kids still have a father/provider to take care of them. He can get other pussy and that chick won’t stick around to raise his kids for him if he’s dead or disabled and can’t work.

All the macho “but bro you gotta step up when you get disrespected bro, who cares if you get knocked out and disfigured and can’t take care of your kids at least you were a MAN bro” is social conditioning and social pressure.


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P.S. If you cringe watching that Louie vid, like it grates on your SOUL and it’s difficult to watch him be that emasculated, you’re caving to social pressure. Because logically with no emotions involved he’s making the right decision: de-escalate the situation so that he can go home to his kids. That’s the right move. The reasons why it’s cringe-worth come from social pressure (“but he looks like a pussy!!” “but that girl won’t bang him (scarcity mindset)” “but he let some other guy tool him!!” (embarrassment based on “what do other people think of me/him?” why does their opinion matter?) etc etc.

End of the day his character isn’t in the hospital (even if he was a super ninja badass like you he’d have to take on an entire team of young wrestlers or whatever, life isn’t a Jackie Chan movie lol), or jail (if he DOES win, that kid isn’t gonna stop till Louie MAKES him stop, enjoy the legal hassles and potential jailtime and financial hit), or the morgue (one wrong head-bounce off the edge of that coffee table), and his kids still have a father/provider to take care of them. He can get other pussy and that chick won’t stick around to raise his kids for him if he’s dead or disabled and can’t work.

All the macho “but bro you gotta step up when you get disrespected bro, who cares if you get knocked out and disfigured and can’t take care of your kids at least you were a MAN bro” is social conditioning and social pressure.


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@Sentient
“Funny though, the Julian Chill Pick up you posted 80% of his verbal was the 7 Deadly Questions… You can get away with that if you have a good frame and subcoms…”

When Julien is doing his Comfort he’s doing it WITH Attraction (A3). ie – he’s doing breaking rapport “How old are you.” as if she’s not good enough for him and he’s trying to DISqualify her. Whereas most guys are going “How old are you?? :) :) (raising voice tonality seeking rapport)”. Julien is basically Qualifying/screening her WITH the questions themselves. He explains a lot of this in PIMP when he talks about how to ask the “boring questions” with different intent behind them, and he’ll do push/pull by changing that intent from seeking to breaking etc.

That’s why I say what Julien is doing is basically a condensed really efficient version of Mystery Method. A newbie should learn Mystery Method and then check out Julien’s stuff and look for the connections. Julien started out on classic MM, he’s just figured out how to cram and overlap it together into something more efficient to counter the ADD culture of 2016 girls.

It’s pretty fucking genius really and I don’t think many people learn both MM and Julien’s stuff to draw the connection and appreciate how smart Julien is lol

“and take Julian a while to catch up to her speed.”

Ya that was one of the big takeaways from those vids is that Julien’s highlight reels on YouTube look great and if a guy’s in state he can pull that off, but most of the time we all start out feeling like chodes that can’t get our brains and mouths to work right, but Julien starts off the same way. He just trusts the process and takes specific action to get his brain unstifled to where he’s doing what he does in highlight reels. Dude is simply human like any of us.

@Shiva
“Actually, the driver opted for an undisclosed cash settlement. Pressing charges would impede his lawyerless monetary gains.”

lol she settled AT the scene, do you think she just whipped out $500k and that guy is buying a BMW to Uber in? “In his words, “…she was crying (and) said (she) was sorry for everything.” I don’t want to disclose the amount the driver was paid, but can say he could only use the money to pay his cellphone bill and maybeee his cable bill.” He basically took whatever cash she probably had on her because she’s blowing her student loans on shots at the bar (or rather her boyfriend did that night) so she can get wasted like that video.

@Forge the Sky
““Heh, I remember Steve Jabba (a natural who got into PUA) saying that if a girl stands near him for more than a few seconds he knows she wants to fuck him – it’s just a matter of his taking action and not fucking up the seduction process.”

pAImAI:

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“Funny though, the Julian Chill Pick up you posted 80% of his verbal was the 7 Deadly Questions… You can get away with that if you have a good frame and subcoms…”

When Julien is doing his Comfort he’s doing it WITH Attraction (A3). ie – he’s doing breaking rapport “How old are you.” as if she’s not good enough for him and he’s trying to DISqualify her. Whereas most guys are going “How old are you??🙂🙂 (raising voice tonality seeking rapport)”. Julien is basically Qualifying/screening her WITH the questions themselves. He explains a lot of this in PIMP when he talks about how to ask the “boring questions” with different intent behind them, and he’ll do push/pull by changing that intent from seeking to breaking etc.

That’s why I say what Julien is doing is basically a condensed really efficient version of Mystery Method. A newbie should learn Mystery Method and then check out Julien’s stuff and look for the connections. Julien started out on classic MM, he’s just figured out how to cram and overlap it together into something more efficient to counter the ADD culture of 2016 girls.

It’s pretty fucking genius really and I don’t think many people learn both MM and Julien’s stuff to draw the connection and appreciate how smart Julien is lol

“and take Julian a while to catch up to her speed.”

Ya that was one of the big takeaways from those vids is that Julien’s highlight reels on YouTube look great and if a guy’s in state he can pull that off, but most of the time we all start out feeling like chodes that can’t get our brains and mouths to work right, but Julien starts off the same way. He just trusts the process and takes specific action to get his brain unstifled to where he’s doing what he does in highlight reels. Dude is simply human like any of us.

@Shiva
“Actually, the driver opted for an undisclosed cash settlement. Pressing charges would impede his lawyerless monetary gains.”

lol she settled AT the scene, do you think she just whipped out $500k and that guy is buying a BMW to Uber in? “In his words, “…she was crying (and) said (she) was sorry for everything.” I don’t want to disclose the amount the driver was paid, but can say he could only use the money to pay his cellphone bill and maybeee his cable bill.” He basically took whatever cash she probably had on her because she’s blowing her student loans on shots at the bar (or rather her boyfriend did that night) so she can get wasted like that video.

@Forge the Sky
““Heh, I remember Steve Jabba (a natural who got into PUA) saying that if a girl stands near him for more than a few seconds he knows she wants to fuck him – it’s just a matter of his taking action and not fucking up the seduction process.”

pAImAI:

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@kfg
An iron fist in a velvet glove where you view yourself as the prize and project raw power with practiced subtlety, isolate and be extremely discrete, and making women qualify themselves to you and chase you IS GAME. It’s not OLD MAN game. It’s GAME. That’s what proper game is SUPPOSED to look like lol

Younger guys can “get away” with running sloppy game, but that’s what they’re doing: running sloppy game.

What “old man game” is is simply properly following “game” and crossing your Ts and dotting your Is the way you’re supposed to be doing.

The problem is younger guys generally don’t have enough solid oak tree internals to run that game without being a little sloppy. But that “old man game” is the end goal of game. It’s what all of this shit is to teach a guy to learn how to do lol


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An iron fist in a velvet glove where you view yourself as the prize and project raw power with practiced subtlety, isolate and be extremely discrete, and making women qualify themselves to you and chase you IS GAME. It’s not OLD MAN game. It’s GAME. That’s what proper game is SUPPOSED to look like lol

Younger guys can “get away” with running sloppy game, but that’s what they’re doing: running sloppy game.

What “old man game” is is simply properly following “game” and crossing your Ts and dotting your Is the way you’re supposed to be doing.

The problem is younger guys generally don’t have enough solid oak tree internals to run that game without being a little sloppy. But that “old man game” is the end goal of game. It’s what all of this shit is to teach a guy to learn how to do lol


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“I might just want to see if I can shut his mouth and teach him a painful lesson”

Well, then you make stupid decisions. lol. And are bad at risk assessment and possibly have a lacking understanding of the legal system.

That’s not even an insult that’s just a logical assessment the same way someone who drives drunk is making a stupid decision and bad at risk assessment and hasn’t thought through the potential legal consequences etc. (not to mention the chance of killing someone else)

I mean, it would be better if you WERE caving to social pressure to not be disrespected because at least then you’d know fighting is a stupid decision but would just be weak instead of ACTIVELY making stupid decisions.

Like I get that it sounds super cool to you and you’re Vin Diesel in your head, but it’s a stupid decision to make. And that’s okay, you can do whatever you want, but like, it’s stupid in the way that purposely choosing to drive drunk is stupid.

“Fisticuffs is a highly personal thing between 2 guys.”

Bla bla bla lol It’s not samurais on a battlefield fighting to avenge their family. It’s two drunk idiots throwing fists over some bar chick who doesn’t give a fuck about either of them.

“The idiots out in the world operating off of some half-assed bravado type thing, trying to impress themselves or others by their silly actions, they are a joke.”

…you get the irony of writing that after your last two comments, right?

“But I get your vibe. I got no issue with that. It’s smart.”

That’s why you can’t get mad about my calling your decision stupid. If you’re doing the opposite of me and my decision is smart then yours is by default “not smart”.

“If we were out together, you wouldn’t have to leave a venue.”

We wouldn’t BE out together, because in your mind it’s an option to go shut some guy’s mouth up and teach him a painful lesson. I minimize the time I spend around people who will inevitably bring me more trouble/drama than I want. Nothing personal, we just have very different views of what’s acceptable behavior in a social setting.

Guys here (especially the old guys who think they’re super manly) think I’m running around with a bunch of Tylers and Juliens, like I don’t hang out with tough manly dudes who can kick a bunch of ass and shit, like I don’t know what it’s like to have guys tell me they have my back if shit goes down bla bla bla I’ve been sarging for years and I’m friends with all sorts of different groups, I know guys just like you and I’ve been out with guys just like you and I’ve had these exact conversations with guys just like you lol

Being randomly attacked/jumped/robbed etc is different, there’s no real option to de-escalate those situations. Fighting in that situation is fine. But I stand by my assertion that the vast VAST majority of fights can be avoided, and nothing that happens in a bar is worth fighting over especially not some guy cracking mama jokes from across the room.

I liked your movie scene. Here’s one from real life. Everyone thinks they’ll be the guy standing at the end, no one thinks they’ll be the guy unconscious getting his head repeatedly smashed into the cement:

But hey, the risks you want to take with your kids/family’s future are your own decision. I’m happy with mine so far, don’t throw any fists on my account there are a dozen other bars up the street with booze and girls and I can get laid there just like I could at that first bar lol I’d rather we went out for a beer and the night ended up with two 21yos riding our dicks instead of you knocking someone’s teeth in.


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“I might just want to see if I can shut his mouth and teach him a painful lesson”

Well, then you make stupid decisions. lol. And are bad at risk assessment and possibly have a lacking understanding of the legal system.

That’s not even an insult that’s just a logical assessment the same way someone who drives drunk is making a stupid decision and bad at risk assessment and hasn’t thought through the potential legal consequences etc. (not to mention the chance of killing someone else)

I mean, it would be better if you WERE caving to social pressure to not be disrespected because at least then you’d know fighting is a stupid decision but would just be weak instead of ACTIVELY making stupid decisions.

Like I get that it sounds super cool to you and you’re Vin Diesel in your head, but it’s a stupid decision to make. And that’s okay, you can do whatever you want, but like, it’s stupid in the way that purposely choosing to drive drunk is stupid.

“Fisticuffs is a highly personal thing between 2 guys.”

Bla bla bla lol It’s not samurais on a battlefield fighting to avenge their family. It’s two drunk idiots throwing fists over some bar chick who doesn’t give a fuck about either of them.

“The idiots out in the world operating off of some half-assed bravado type thing, trying to impress themselves or others by their silly actions, they are a joke.”

…you get the irony of writing that after your last two comments, right?

“But I get your vibe. I got no issue with that. It’s smart.”

That’s why you can’t get mad about my calling your decision stupid. If you’re doing the opposite of me and my decision is smart then yours is by default “not smart”.

“If we were out together, you wouldn’t have to leave a venue.”

We wouldn’t BE out together, because in your mind it’s an option to go shut some guy’s mouth up and teach him a painful lesson. I minimize the time I spend around people who will inevitably bring me more trouble/drama than I want. Nothing personal, we just have very different views of what’s acceptable behavior in a social setting.

Guys here (especially the old guys who think they’re super manly) think I’m running around with a bunch of Tylers and Juliens, like I don’t hang out with tough manly dudes who can kick a bunch of ass and shit, like I don’t know what it’s like to have guys tell me they have my back if shit goes down bla bla bla I’ve been sarging for years and I’m friends with all sorts of different groups, I know guys just like you and I’ve been out with guys just like you and I’ve had these exact conversations with guys just like you lol

Being randomly attacked/jumped/robbed etc is different, there’s no real option to de-escalate those situations. Fighting in that situation is fine. But I stand by my assertion that the vast VAST majority of fights can be avoided, and nothing that happens in a bar is worth fighting over especially not some guy cracking mama jokes from across the room.

I liked your movie scene. Here’s one from real life. Everyone thinks they’ll be the guy standing at the end, no one thinks they’ll be the guy unconscious getting his head repeatedly smashed into the cement:

But hey, the risks you want to take with your kids/family’s future are your own decision. I’m happy with mine so far, don’t throw any fists on my account there are a dozen other bars up the street with booze and girls and I can get laid there just like I could at that first bar lol I’d rather we went out for a beer and the night ended up with two 21yos riding our dicks instead of you knocking someone’s teeth in.


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“Cool reframe for people who didn’t read the link: “However, guys must understand that once a chick has thrown out one or more AIs in a short period of time (couple minutes), it’s akin to an “approach” for her and a guy not responding to that is like a rejection to her. DO you realize how many chicks any one of us might have rejected in our lifetimes without ever knowing it?”

Basically ScribblerG just rejected that chick without even trying.”

This. I try to explain this to guys. Like, that’s her THROWING HERSELF at you, she’s actually EMBARRASSED at how hard she’s acting like a SLUT when she stands beside you…so when you don’t open her you reject her. That’s why when you don’t make a move when they open a window for you, they slam that window and you will NEVER get another shot. Because you just did the equivalent of when a guy gets turned down in public for his marriage proposal. She risked her entire social reputation and ego and everything throwing herself at you by touching your arm and you humiliated her by not reciprocating her interest so you are DONE and she wants to run away and avoid bad feels lol

@scray @Blaximus
“and ya, the shit you’re saying has some validity in a CLOSED social circle where everyone knows everyone else and it’s at like a house party. in those environments, ya we’ll horse around, get crazy, do whatever we want””

This. Again it’s not like the old guys think where I just don’t understand these dynamics because I don’t fight so I can’t possibly get the mentality that these guys have or anything. I’ve seen more bar/street fights than most guys here because I’m out in those venues more often than most guys ever were. I put in more time in bars in a year than most guys do in 5 years.

“it only takes one time for someone to have a gun or a knife. or for his friend to sucker punch, shoot, or stab you.”

Yup. I heart you old guys but this isn’t the 1940s where you had a schoolyard scrap. This is 2016. You punch out the wrong dude and one of his buddies txts 6 of his other buddies and they jump you with weapons when you’re not paying attention or they see you a week later.

@kfg
“And older men can’t so much. That’s the difference.”

That’s my point. Older guys aren’t running “old man game”, they have to run “proper game”, like the young guys SHOULD be running.

You don’t have two math exams and say “this exam you can get a 50% grade and pass but this one you have to get 100%” and say you’re learning two different types of math. You’re still doing the same math you’re just doing it properly like the guy writing the 50% exam SHOULD be doing but probably isn’t and can get away with not doing…but the ultimate goal is the math the 100% exam guy is doing, and the 50% guy is SUPPOSED to be getting 100% on that 50% exam.

But when a guy like scribblerg builds up in his head “oh I have this DIFFERENT math to learn, those guys don’t get it and can’t teach me I have to figure this out on my own they can’t understand what it’s like for me with this DIFFERENT math” it’s like no, shut up, you’re doing the same math, you just have to do it PROPERLY like RSD Ozzie does lol Don’t hide behind this bullshit “different math” excuse. You’re not breaking new ground, other guys your age have written the same exam and gotten 100%, just tighten your shit up and put in your field hours so you don’t write “sloppy math”.

The only real difference is you get less mistakes, but everyone’s goal should be to make no mistakes in the first place. There’s no separate set of rules or anything.


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“Cool reframe for people who didn’t read the link: “However, guys must understand that once a chick has thrown out one or more AIs in a short period of time (couple minutes), it’s akin to an “approach” for her and a guy not responding to that is like a rejection to her. DO you realize how many chicks any one of us might have rejected in our lifetimes without ever knowing it?”

Basically ScribblerG just rejected that chick without even trying.”

This. I try to explain this to guys. Like, that’s her THROWING HERSELF at you, she’s actually EMBARRASSED at how hard she’s acting like a SLUT when she stands beside you…so when you don’t open her you reject her. That’s why when you don’t make a move when they open a window for you, they slam that window and you will NEVER get another shot. Because you just did the equivalent of when a guy gets turned down in public for his marriage proposal. She risked her entire social reputation and ego and everything throwing herself at you by touching your arm and you humiliated her by not reciprocating her interest so you are DONE and she wants to run away and avoid bad feels lol

@scray @Blaximus
“and ya, the shit you’re saying has some validity in a CLOSED social circle where everyone knows everyone else and it’s at like a house party. in those environments, ya we’ll horse around, get crazy, do whatever we want””

This. Again it’s not like the old guys think where I just don’t understand these dynamics because I don’t fight so I can’t possibly get the mentality that these guys have or anything. I’ve seen more bar/street fights than most guys here because I’m out in those venues more often than most guys ever were. I put in more time in bars in a year than most guys do in 5 years.

“it only takes one time for someone to have a gun or a knife. or for his friend to sucker punch, shoot, or stab you.”

Yup. I heart you old guys but this isn’t the 1940s where you had a schoolyard scrap. This is 2016. You punch out the wrong dude and one of his buddies txts 6 of his other buddies and they jump you with weapons when you’re not paying attention or they see you a week later.

@kfg
“And older men can’t so much. That’s the difference.”

That’s my point. Older guys aren’t running “old man game”, they have to run “proper game”, like the young guys SHOULD be running.

You don’t have two math exams and say “this exam you can get a 50% grade and pass but this one you have to get 100%” and say you’re learning two different types of math. You’re still doing the same math you’re just doing it properly like the guy writing the 50% exam SHOULD be doing but probably isn’t and can get away with not doing…but the ultimate goal is the math the 100% exam guy is doing, and the 50% guy is SUPPOSED to be getting 100% on that 50% exam.

But when a guy like scribblerg builds up in his head “oh I have this DIFFERENT math to learn, those guys don’t get it and can’t teach me I have to figure this out on my own they can’t understand what it’s like for me with this DIFFERENT math” it’s like no, shut up, you’re doing the same math, you just have to do it PROPERLY like RSD Ozzie does lol Don’t hide behind this bullshit “different math” excuse. You’re not breaking new ground, other guys your age have written the same exam and gotten 100%, just tighten your shit up and put in your field hours so you don’t write “sloppy math”.

The only real difference is you get less mistakes, but everyone’s goal should be to make no mistakes in the first place. There’s no separate set of rules or anything.


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@Blaximus
“I think people should be able to go about their lives unacosted.”

Unless you decide you don’t like the person, then it’s cool. Will the courts agree? Who knows. But I wouldn’t risk not being able to provide for my family on it. That would be my priority though, you have different ones and that’s cool I legitimately hope you’re always the Vin Diesel in those situations and not the guy unconscious getting his head stomped in lol

“I take self defense extremely seriously. It’s been one of the BEST decisions I’ve ever made, and I will always recommend that all men learn some things to protect themselves.”

Ya it’s awesome. I’ve never said not to do self-defense shit. But you should be doing everything you can do to avoid having to use it, not walking around punching people’s lights out ’cause “depends what kind of mood I’m in maybe I just wanna knock his teeth in and see if he learns a lesson” Both you and him can get the fuck out of my bar, the rest of us are here to have a fun time lol And a good instructor should be teaching you to avoid using it and how to talk your way out of a situation and de-escalate it. It’s self-DEFENSE.

“I’m talking about the guy that’s all over you, threatening you, getting ready to sneak you in the head. Not the pansy just talking shit.”

You know why I don’t end up in those situations? Because I don’t do the monkey dance that leads UP to being in that situation. Those situations generally start AS pansy talking shit but the guy being chirped at decides to play along with the monkey dance and let it all escalate to where you want to step in. It shouldn’t get that far, the guy being chirped at should have walked away long ago.

“We’ve seen different worlds. I’ve seen nice guys avoiding conflict get pummeled.”

Like I say if someone jumps me for no reason at all, cool, but the vast VAST majority of the time the “nice guy avoiding conflict” got himself into that situation by being retarded or hanging out with people who are retarded and escalated the situation for him (which is why I don’t hang around guys or girls who get wasted and pick fights).

“Guys reading here, I advise young cats to learn to defend yourselves for when you aren’t being allowed to walk away.”

Agreed. If you are trapped in the corner of an alleyway with guys surrounding you, cool, hope you took a class to defend yourself from that shit. But in a fucking BAR with a TEAM OF BOUNCERS who’s JOB is to HANDLE DISPUTES, you have EVERY option in the world to walk away.

“It feels exceptionally good not to fear any man”

Agreed. I don’t really fear anyone because I’m socially savvy enough not to have to fear that a guy is going to get mad enough at me to beat my head in. Because I learned game and how to talk those situations down. Yes, I’ve hung out in scary dive bars, biker bars, etc and yes I’ve been in situations that COULD have turned into me getting my head beat in. But I de-escalate the situation and/or walk away.

“Walk away when you can, always, but end it when you aren’t being allowed to walk away.”

Then we agree. Anything that happens in a bar isn’t worth fighting over because you have AMPLE opportunities to walk away or handle the situation in other ways (bouncers, de-escalating, running like a bitch, etc) in a bar.

“The dude on the ground in the video above? Lmfao, he should get his skills up or keep his mouth shut.”

They got into an argument inside the venue and when they got outside it turned into that. Dude could have handled the situation a thousand other ways, from not getting into an argument to leaving out the back door to calling the cops to running like a bitch to immediately hopping in a cab etc etc but he “felt exceptionally good not fearing any man” and decided to walk out into range of this guy and ended up in a coma.


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@Blaximus
“I think people should be able to go about their lives unacosted.”

Unless you decide you don’t like the person, then it’s cool. Will the courts agree? Who knows. But I wouldn’t risk not being able to provide for my family on it. That would be my priority though, you have different ones and that’s cool I legitimately hope you’re always the Vin Diesel in those situations and not the guy unconscious getting his head stomped in lol

“I take self defense extremely seriously. It’s been one of the BEST decisions I’ve ever made, and I will always recommend that all men learn some things to protect themselves.”

Ya it’s awesome. I’ve never said not to do self-defense shit. But you should be doing everything you can do to avoid having to use it, not walking around punching people’s lights out ’cause “depends what kind of mood I’m in maybe I just wanna knock his teeth in and see if he learns a lesson” Both you and him can get the fuck out of my bar, the rest of us are here to have a fun time lol And a good instructor should be teaching you to avoid using it and how to talk your way out of a situation and de-escalate it. It’s self-DEFENSE.

“I’m talking about the guy that’s all over you, threatening you, getting ready to sneak you in the head. Not the pansy just talking shit.”

You know why I don’t end up in those situations? Because I don’t do the monkey dance that leads UP to being in that situation. Those situations generally start AS pansy talking shit but the guy being chirped at decides to play along with the monkey dance and let it all escalate to where you want to step in. It shouldn’t get that far, the guy being chirped at should have walked away long ago.

“We’ve seen different worlds. I’ve seen nice guys avoiding conflict get pummeled.”

Like I say if someone jumps me for no reason at all, cool, but the vast VAST majority of the time the “nice guy avoiding conflict” got himself into that situation by being retarded or hanging out with people who are retarded and escalated the situation for him (which is why I don’t hang around guys or girls who get wasted and pick fights).

“Guys reading here, I advise young cats to learn to defend yourselves for when you aren’t being allowed to walk away.”

Agreed. If you are trapped in the corner of an alleyway with guys surrounding you, cool, hope you took a class to defend yourself from that shit. But in a fucking BAR with a TEAM OF BOUNCERS who’s JOB is to HANDLE DISPUTES, you have EVERY option in the world to walk away.

“It feels exceptionally good not to fear any man”

Agreed. I don’t really fear anyone because I’m socially savvy enough not to have to fear that a guy is going to get mad enough at me to beat my head in. Because I learned game and how to talk those situations down. Yes, I’ve hung out in scary dive bars, biker bars, etc and yes I’ve been in situations that COULD have turned into me getting my head beat in. But I de-escalate the situation and/or walk away.

“Walk away when you can, always, but end it when you aren’t being allowed to walk away.”

Then we agree. Anything that happens in a bar isn’t worth fighting over because you have AMPLE opportunities to walk away or handle the situation in other ways (bouncers, de-escalating, running like a bitch, etc) in a bar.

“The dude on the ground in the video above? Lmfao, he should get his skills up or keep his mouth shut.”

They got into an argument inside the venue and when they got outside it turned into that. Dude could have handled the situation a thousand other ways, from not getting into an argument to leaving out the back door to calling the cops to running like a bitch to immediately hopping in a cab etc etc but he “felt exceptionally good not fearing any man” and decided to walk out into range of this guy and ended up in a coma.


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@Blaximus
“This is why I say we are coming at the subject from waaayyy different perspectives.”

Yes, your perspective is old and outdated. That’s not an insult that’s just reality. Unless your stripclub bouncer days were the last 5 years lol You know how we keep talking about how all this social media and smartphone shit has changed things in 2016 with girls? Well guys have changed too.

You see how I COMPLETELY give no fucks about your “manly fighting honor code” and just completely ridicule it? Like how I have ZERO “sense of honor as a man” and all that?

Imagine a group of 6 guys like me, drunk and angry and sexually frustrated and too young to understand long-term consequences, carrying around knives and guns and shit on us or in our car because we’ve been programmed by media (that didn’t exist when you were a kid) to think that that’s COOL and BADASS and that shooting people up to get revenge is a good way to handle disagreements.

That’s what a lot of young culture in these scenes is like now, especially if you hang out in the shittier venues that are known to have gang members and shit in them. You think these guys give a shit about the “personal man to man connection of fighting”? These aren’t even always dirty scumbags a lot of them are rich kids with too much money to care about consequences, or are connected to the ACTUAL scary people.

A nice guy buddy of mine was almost convinced by one of these idiots to buy a gun to keep under his pillow literally “so if someone pops off at you you can whip it out. Dude you’d get so much pussy if you had a gun”

When a guy in a bar steps up to you in 2016 it’s often not because he’s some cowboy planning to one-on-one fisticuffs fight you and then shake hands. It’s because he knows his 5 buddies are circling around you ready to fuck you up if you start winning the fight you’re being sucked into because you didn’t just walk away.

Talking your way out of those situations is a lot smarter.

Welcome to 2016 grandpa, the world has changed. ;)


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@Blaximus
“This is why I say we are coming at the subject from waaayyy different perspectives.”

Yes, your perspective is old and outdated. That’s not an insult that’s just reality. Unless your stripclub bouncer days were the last 5 years lol You know how we keep talking about how all this social media and smartphone shit has changed things in 2016 with girls? Well guys have changed too.

You see how I COMPLETELY give no fucks about your “manly fighting honor code” and just completely ridicule it? Like how I have ZERO “sense of honor as a man” and all that?

Imagine a group of 6 guys like me, drunk and angry and sexually frustrated and too young to understand long-term consequences, carrying around knives and guns and shit on us or in our car because we’ve been programmed by media (that didn’t exist when you were a kid) to think that that’s COOL and BADASS and that shooting people up to get revenge is a good way to handle disagreements.

That’s what a lot of young culture in these scenes is like now, especially if you hang out in the shittier venues that are known to have gang members and shit in them. You think these guys give a shit about the “personal man to man connection of fighting”? These aren’t even always dirty scumbags a lot of them are rich kids with too much money to care about consequences, or are connected to the ACTUAL scary people.

A nice guy buddy of mine was almost convinced by one of these idiots to buy a gun to keep under his pillow literally “so if someone pops off at you you can whip it out. Dude you’d get so much pussy if you had a gun”

When a guy in a bar steps up to you in 2016 it’s often not because he’s some cowboy planning to one-on-one fisticuffs fight you and then shake hands. It’s because he knows his 5 buddies are circling around you ready to fuck you up if you start winning the fight you’re being sucked into because you didn’t just walk away.

Talking your way out of those situations is a lot smarter.

Welcome to 2016 grandpa, the world has changed. 😉


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@kfg
“This. Which doesn’t change the game, but it does change the tactics.”

The tactics don’t change. The tactics that the old man is executing are the tactics that the young guy is SUPPOSED to be executing. The old man isn’t running DIFFERENT game, he’s running PROPER game. The young guys are running the same game but missing bits and pieces of it, but the old man isn’t learning some different style of game. It’s all the same shit, he just gets less leeway with being sloppy running the same game that everyone SHOULD be running.


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@kfg
“This. Which doesn’t change the game, but it does change the tactics.”

The tactics don’t change. The tactics that the old man is executing are the tactics that the young guy is SUPPOSED to be executing. The old man isn’t running DIFFERENT game, he’s running PROPER game. The young guys are running the same game but missing bits and pieces of it, but the old man isn’t learning some different style of game. It’s all the same shit, he just gets less leeway with being sloppy running the same game that everyone SHOULD be running.


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@Blaximus
“so they won’t be around to arrest me if I put somebody to sleep.”

I don’t know what the bar scene was like in your day but these days the Gang Suppression unit walks through the crowd to remind everyone they’re around and there are multiple cop cars parked outside clubs/bars the second half of the night, espeically at last call when most fights go down as people pile outside and release their frustrations on that guy who was a dick to them earlier etc.

“I grew up in the inner city before guns became the go to method of fighting.”

So you grew up in a safer time, but your advice is “go punch a guy out and get involved in an altercation you could have avoided” now that things are SIGNIFICANTLY more dangerous and that guy you’re punching out probably has a gun and buddies with guns and that’s the “go to method of fighting”.

Does that not seem like bad advice to you?

We want guys to stay alive out there, and to do that they shouldn’t be getting into any kind of fight they can avoid, ESPECIALLY as newbies who haven’t fully learned the social calibration to de-escalate a seriously dangerous situation. Just walk away, you’re there to talk to pretty girls, not to end up in the hospital or jail.


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“so they won’t be around to arrest me if I put somebody to sleep.”

I don’t know what the bar scene was like in your day but these days the Gang Suppression unit walks through the crowd to remind everyone they’re around and there are multiple cop cars parked outside clubs/bars the second half of the night, espeically at last call when most fights go down as people pile outside and release their frustrations on that guy who was a dick to them earlier etc.

“I grew up in the inner city before guns became the go to method of fighting.”

So you grew up in a safer time, but your advice is “go punch a guy out and get involved in an altercation you could have avoided” now that things are SIGNIFICANTLY more dangerous and that guy you’re punching out probably has a gun and buddies with guns and that’s the “go to method of fighting”.

Does that not seem like bad advice to you?

We want guys to stay alive out there, and to do that they shouldn’t be getting into any kind of fight they can avoid, ESPECIALLY as newbies who haven’t fully learned the social calibration to de-escalate a seriously dangerous situation. Just walk away, you’re there to talk to pretty girls, not to end up in the hospital or jail.


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“I’m talking about a guy that’s made up his mind to take things to blows.”

Did that guy just materialize out of thin air angry? Just a fucking magician poofing in front of the guy pissed off and ready to punch him?

No. You’re skipping over the ENTIRE BUILD-UP to that situation that could have been diffused or avoided a dozen different ways. But usually isn’t because guys listen to man-up advice that gets them into that situation where the other guy has made up his mind to take things to blows.


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“I’m talking about a guy that’s made up his mind to take things to blows.”

Did that guy just materialize out of thin air angry? Just a fucking magician poofing in front of the guy pissed off and ready to punch him?

No. You’re skipping over the ENTIRE BUILD-UP to that situation that could have been diffused or avoided a dozen different ways. But usually isn’t because guys listen to man-up advice that gets them into that situation where the other guy has made up his mind to take things to blows.


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“Believe it or nah, there are guys who will just walk up and smash you, if they feel like it.”

Most of those guys you can spot a mile away and stay away from. And like I’ve said if you get sucker-punched, cool, defend yourself. But I stand by my assertion that the vast VAST majority of fights in a bar can be avoided.

“Stay close to your Gang Suppression Units.”

Will do. I legitimately hope you never end up in the hospital and always make it home safe. I’d like that outcome for the guys out there trying to learn game too, which is why I’ll tell them to get a bouncer if there’s trouble brewing or leave to another venue.


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“Believe it or nah, there are guys who will just walk up and smash you, if they feel like it.”

Most of those guys you can spot a mile away and stay away from. And like I’ve said if you get sucker-punched, cool, defend yourself. But I stand by my assertion that the vast VAST majority of fights in a bar can be avoided.

“Stay close to your Gang Suppression Units.”

Will do. I legitimately hope you never end up in the hospital and always make it home safe. I’d like that outcome for the guys out there trying to learn game too, which is why I’ll tell them to get a bouncer if there’s trouble brewing or leave to another venue.


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Man, don’t fuck with the internet lol:

http://anjaliramkissoon.org/


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Man, don’t fuck with the internet lol:

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“a few years ago I’d have totally been your girl..but now I’m not that girl anymore..””

That’s the indication that what you did was solid. She knows she would’ve fucked you when she was younger etc with the moves you were pulling at the end there, but her survival/replication shit is way too solid at her age for her to risk getting involved and catching feelings for you and shit. She needs a beta bucks ASAP.

That’s why I say what you did would’ve worked on a younger chick. It was solid Attraction game. That’s why I want old guys to hit up young chicks because like, that was a lay if she was 25. But she’s 38 so she’ll be a pain in the ass lol

You might have been able to turn it around with a final attempt like Sentient said, but either way you did good even ATTEMPTING anything and holding your frame like that so props.

“The problem is that even if I don’t say “I do X”, they can still see that I am pretty obviously a successful professional mid 30s guy – clothes, neighbourhood, accent..the works.”

That’s alright though. Because they don’t actually KNOW, so you stay a bit of a mystery. They THINK they know but they don’t KNOW they know…so if they ask and then you fuck around with the answer or change the subject, then they REALLY don’t know. And all of that gives you emotional impact. More than if you said “I’m an accountant” and they said “oh that means he makes between X and Y dollars now I can assess him based on that” and killed all the mystery.

If careers come up brush it off and turn the conversation around on her, and if she keeps going back to it tell her you don’t tell women you’ve just met what you do because you find when you do they start being fake with you and trying to tell you what they think you want to hear and act how they think you want them to act and you’d rather we get to know the real person so tell me what is it about blah that you love? (change the topic). If she goes back to it AGAIN you can Soft Next her with a “You know, I get the feeling you’re looking for something VERY different from me. It was nice to meet you and I wish you the best in your search.” dismissing her as if you’re turned off by her golddiggery ways…like get that vibe across that like, she’s looking for your money or a guy with money and you’re looking for a deep REAL connection with someone. Might get her to chase you for a second chance where she drops that shit (long enough to fuck her lol).

“Surely it is better to just overwhelm your frame with their own?”

Yup. Like the old PUA motto goes: “Change her mood, not her mind” Her “rules” don’t matter. The reason guys get caught up in them is because they take the girl on a “dinner date” and let her lead the conversation into the resume exchange where she can assess whether he’s a waste of her time or not so she can move onto her next Tinder date she has lined up after this one. She’s not going to ask those questions while we’re shooting a game of pool or playing darts or walking around doing some other activity. Or if we’re sitting on a dinner date, she’s not going to ask those questions if I’m leading the conversation into more interesting topics instead of letting her go into that mode.

It’s like the Flintstones, how when they set Pebbles down she just keeps crawling toward the wall until she bumps into it and keeps crawling against it. When you let her lead the conversation she’ll just start crawling toward that wall again lol

“UNLESS you are swimming in enough abundance that you can fill your time with girls who give you no pushback at all..”

A lot of guys who don’t try to turn these situations around end up with weaker game in the longrun because they don’t learn to push the boundaries and problem-solve. It’s like if you turned off your computer and stopped working every time a program crashed. Try problem-solving that shit and see if you can fix it before you toss it away. Like oldschool Tyler said: “you can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked…that’s HER Nexting YOU”

“Like literally I’d have had a better shot with her if I’d turned up, told her I was a garbageman, lied about where I lived, pretended not to understand any of the more sophisticated stuff she said and focussed on my sexual stories and escalated HARD with solid asshole game. I could have overdone it and sent her storming off, but I’d have had a better shot of banging her than what I did..”

lol not entirely inaccurate. That’s pretty much my method right now. I put myself right into the scumbag category. The funniest part is that the <25yo crowd WANTS that because a lot of them don't WANT to date or settle yet. So what keeps happening to me is like, they'll tease me about "wow you're drunk all the time hey" and it SOUNDS like an insult or a turn-off, logically it should be, but every time I say "nah just on the weekends really" or "lol ya but I'm trying to cut back for 2016" etc they instantly get turned off and will even say "lol I don't believe you" because they WANT me to be that scumbag loser drunk, because that's the guy they can fuck with no strings attached lol It's surreal but makes complete sense when you understand the Lover/Provider dynamic. I'm the guy they can go cheat with or have an adventure with with no drama just fun, as long as I'm that boozed up Hank Moody.

I don't even really drink that much, but I know that archetype is perfect for the Lover role. If I WANTED to be the upstanding guy who doesn't drink etc and still be in a Lover role I could do it (I would focus a lot more on my mindsets about having commitment issues and tell more stories about other girls and shit so it's my INTERNALS that keep me in the Lover category instead of my externals (drinking etc)), but this is a lot easier (and funnier to me) lol

"I think it’s about staying relaxed instead of TRYING to laser her which could come across as bug eyed."

I like the idea of "pretend you have an in-joke with yourself that she doesn't get", like you have that kind of half-grin in your eyes like you're amused as you look into her eyes, amused by her reactions, it's cute that she's about to get sucked into your laser eyes and be helpless to resist you, etc etc

"I knew I had to go slow and deep, but the “real thing” was a lot softer.."

Again it's the same voice you probably have after fucking…like just this long slow croaking soft voice because everything is right with the world. Like my words will trail off, or blend into eachother, etc

"I’d forgotten the cutting space part of it"

Ya this is key. KEY KEY KEY. Cut space as soon as you can while lasering. The vid of Robbie Williams using lasers and cutting space on an interviewer chick has been taken down so hopefully you've seen it when I've linked it before, it looks like this:

In that clip she can form words still when his face is a foot away from her's, but when he cuts the space and gets closer and closer her circuits fry and the sexual tension ramps through the roof. Then he backs off and it goes back down and she can catch her breathe, then he does it again and the same thing happens.

"And yet I see all these married guys who need even MORE security than a single guy going around using their real names, real jobs, real phones and the works."

They are retarded and naive and don't understand how the world is these days. A lot of them will get burned.

Thing is when you're going for that 35+yo crowd they want to know your name, age, occupation, whether you have a wife and kids you're hiding (they want your Facebook to snoop), etc etc because that stuff is relevant for them to land you as a husband.

But the girls in their 20s? Way less fucks, if ANY, given about that stuff. Girls in bars will make out with me without even exchanging names or careers or anything, it just doesn't matter to them. On dates I just give them fake names/careers and change the subject ASAP to them and their career etc. I've had fuckbuddies for months/years who don't know anything about me except my first name lol

"Like if I wanted to play around as a married guy I would literally Tell No ONE. Not even my best buddy. Even though I trust him totally it’s just another failure mode."

This is why I harp on guys to keep their shit anonymous.

"You want to be the guy she bangs while searching for the right guy, and you can help her find the right guy."

I've literally told them this before. Like I have routines where I talk about how I'm not that boyfriend guy, I'm the guy that girls hang out with while they look for Mr. Right because they can't put out for that guy right away or he'll think they're a slut etc etc

"HABD – Yeah good point there too. From now on I’m going to suggest “hanging out” over a drink, not a “date”. PS – Just googled OODA loop – interesting."

Shit you're not saying the word "date" are you???? That's like PUA 101. Say "hanging out" or "grabbing a drink" not "date". "Date" has WAYYYY too many connotations. You might as well say "interview" lol A good mental frame is that she hasn't earned a DATE yet, this is just you hanging out to see if she's cool or not. You can even tell her that if she brings up "are you buying dinner" etc. Be like no I don't know if you're crazy yet. This is just to see if we have chemistry and if I want to see you again. You're the buyer, not the seller. Or you can be crass like me and say I don't buy dinner for girls I haven't fucked yet lol

"it’s *incredibly* beneficial in this kind of FR for people like me and scribblerg etc to be told “you didn’t imagine that, she DID like you..you should have pulled the trigger”."

Ya that's why I'm stressing like, if that were a younger chick what you did was solid. You DID turn her around, she just has a massive wall built up because it's VITAL for her to not waste time right now. She as much as admits it lol You're making awesome progress dude, I don't always have time to comment on your FRs but I read them and try to drop in points here and there.

@Kate
"Lying or putting off questions about age until the woman is attached is often advised."

I tell them up front. I think it's hilarious. I make them do the math to know just how much older than them I am lol

"I still contend that the reality is older men have a more difficult job of forming and maintaining relationships with much younger women. And I say that because…"

…because you're no longer a young hot girl lol

"for not easily accomplishing this."

No one said it was easy or that he's a failure. He's a fucking boss for even attempting it. Most guys would lay down and wait for death.

@kfg
"Good game is what gets you what you want."

Today I learned rape is good game.

@Sun Wukong
"Best way to catch IOIs in the moment that I’ve found is to assume the sale."

This is the ideal (oldschool PUA mantra of "assume attraction") but new guys often need some confirmation first. A lot of the time when a guy spends a significant portion of his life thinking girls aren't attracted to him or because he's old (short, fat, etc) girls CAN'T be attracted to him, receive iois but miss them or discount them or doubt them or squint at them as they pass by like "wait was that what I think it might've been? maybe I was imagining it hmmm…" etc

Which is, of course, why we push them out infield. So they collect more and more until they CAN'T ignore them. Once they realize they CAN get iois from these girls, then it becomes a lot easier to just assume attraction. Gotta collect those reference experiences, that's why you gotta push your comfort zone.


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“a few years ago I’d have totally been your girl..but now I’m not that girl anymore..””

That’s the indication that what you did was solid. She knows she would’ve fucked you when she was younger etc with the moves you were pulling at the end there, but her survival/replication shit is way too solid at her age for her to risk getting involved and catching feelings for you and shit. She needs a beta bucks ASAP.

That’s why I say what you did would’ve worked on a younger chick. It was solid Attraction game. That’s why I want old guys to hit up young chicks because like, that was a lay if she was 25. But she’s 38 so she’ll be a pain in the ass lol

You might have been able to turn it around with a final attempt like Sentient said, but either way you did good even ATTEMPTING anything and holding your frame like that so props.

“The problem is that even if I don’t say “I do X”, they can still see that I am pretty obviously a successful professional mid 30s guy – clothes, neighbourhood, accent..the works.”

That’s alright though. Because they don’t actually KNOW, so you stay a bit of a mystery. They THINK they know but they don’t KNOW they know…so if they ask and then you fuck around with the answer or change the subject, then they REALLY don’t know. And all of that gives you emotional impact. More than if you said “I’m an accountant” and they said “oh that means he makes between X and Y dollars now I can assess him based on that” and killed all the mystery.

If careers come up brush it off and turn the conversation around on her, and if she keeps going back to it tell her you don’t tell women you’ve just met what you do because you find when you do they start being fake with you and trying to tell you what they think you want to hear and act how they think you want them to act and you’d rather we get to know the real person so tell me what is it about blah that you love? (change the topic). If she goes back to it AGAIN you can Soft Next her with a “You know, I get the feeling you’re looking for something VERY different from me. It was nice to meet you and I wish you the best in your search.” dismissing her as if you’re turned off by her golddiggery ways…like get that vibe across that like, she’s looking for your money or a guy with money and you’re looking for a deep REAL connection with someone. Might get her to chase you for a second chance where she drops that shit (long enough to fuck her lol).

“Surely it is better to just overwhelm your frame with their own?”

Yup. Like the old PUA motto goes: “Change her mood, not her mind” Her “rules” don’t matter. The reason guys get caught up in them is because they take the girl on a “dinner date” and let her lead the conversation into the resume exchange where she can assess whether he’s a waste of her time or not so she can move onto her next Tinder date she has lined up after this one. She’s not going to ask those questions while we’re shooting a game of pool or playing darts or walking around doing some other activity. Or if we’re sitting on a dinner date, she’s not going to ask those questions if I’m leading the conversation into more interesting topics instead of letting her go into that mode.

It’s like the Flintstones, how when they set Pebbles down she just keeps crawling toward the wall until she bumps into it and keeps crawling against it. When you let her lead the conversation she’ll just start crawling toward that wall again lol

“UNLESS you are swimming in enough abundance that you can fill your time with girls who give you no pushback at all..”

A lot of guys who don’t try to turn these situations around end up with weaker game in the longrun because they don’t learn to push the boundaries and problem-solve. It’s like if you turned off your computer and stopped working every time a program crashed. Try problem-solving that shit and see if you can fix it before you toss it away. Like oldschool Tyler said: “you can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked…that’s HER Nexting YOU”

“Like literally I’d have had a better shot with her if I’d turned up, told her I was a garbageman, lied about where I lived, pretended not to understand any of the more sophisticated stuff she said and focussed on my sexual stories and escalated HARD with solid asshole game. I could have overdone it and sent her storming off, but I’d have had a better shot of banging her than what I did..”

lol not entirely inaccurate. That’s pretty much my method right now. I put myself right into the scumbag category. The funniest part is that the <25yo crowd WANTS that because a lot of them don't WANT to date or settle yet. So what keeps happening to me is like, they'll tease me about "wow you're drunk all the time hey" and it SOUNDS like an insult or a turn-off, logically it should be, but every time I say "nah just on the weekends really" or "lol ya but I'm trying to cut back for 2016" etc they instantly get turned off and will even say "lol I don't believe you" because they WANT me to be that scumbag loser drunk, because that's the guy they can fuck with no strings attached lol It's surreal but makes complete sense when you understand the Lover/Provider dynamic. I'm the guy they can go cheat with or have an adventure with with no drama just fun, as long as I'm that boozed up Hank Moody.

I don't even really drink that much, but I know that archetype is perfect for the Lover role. If I WANTED to be the upstanding guy who doesn't drink etc and still be in a Lover role I could do it (I would focus a lot more on my mindsets about having commitment issues and tell more stories about other girls and shit so it's my INTERNALS that keep me in the Lover category instead of my externals (drinking etc)), but this is a lot easier (and funnier to me) lol

"I think it’s about staying relaxed instead of TRYING to laser her which could come across as bug eyed."

I like the idea of "pretend you have an in-joke with yourself that she doesn't get", like you have that kind of half-grin in your eyes like you're amused as you look into her eyes, amused by her reactions, it's cute that she's about to get sucked into your laser eyes and be helpless to resist you, etc etc

"I knew I had to go slow and deep, but the “real thing” was a lot softer.."

Again it's the same voice you probably have after fucking…like just this long slow croaking soft voice because everything is right with the world. Like my words will trail off, or blend into eachother, etc

"I’d forgotten the cutting space part of it"

Ya this is key. KEY KEY KEY. Cut space as soon as you can while lasering. The vid of Robbie Williams using lasers and cutting space on an interviewer chick has been taken down so hopefully you've seen it when I've linked it before, it looks like this:

In that clip she can form words still when his face is a foot away from her's, but when he cuts the space and gets closer and closer her circuits fry and the sexual tension ramps through the roof. Then he backs off and it goes back down and she can catch her breathe, then he does it again and the same thing happens.

"And yet I see all these married guys who need even MORE security than a single guy going around using their real names, real jobs, real phones and the works."

They are retarded and naive and don't understand how the world is these days. A lot of them will get burned.

Thing is when you're going for that 35+yo crowd they want to know your name, age, occupation, whether you have a wife and kids you're hiding (they want your Facebook to snoop), etc etc because that stuff is relevant for them to land you as a husband.

But the girls in their 20s? Way less fucks, if ANY, given about that stuff. Girls in bars will make out with me without even exchanging names or careers or anything, it just doesn't matter to them. On dates I just give them fake names/careers and change the subject ASAP to them and their career etc. I've had fuckbuddies for months/years who don't know anything about me except my first name lol

"Like if I wanted to play around as a married guy I would literally Tell No ONE. Not even my best buddy. Even though I trust him totally it’s just another failure mode."

This is why I harp on guys to keep their shit anonymous.

"You want to be the guy she bangs while searching for the right guy, and you can help her find the right guy."

I've literally told them this before. Like I have routines where I talk about how I'm not that boyfriend guy, I'm the guy that girls hang out with while they look for Mr. Right because they can't put out for that guy right away or he'll think they're a slut etc etc

"HABD – Yeah good point there too. From now on I’m going to suggest “hanging out” over a drink, not a “date”. PS – Just googled OODA loop – interesting."

Shit you're not saying the word "date" are you???? That's like PUA 101. Say "hanging out" or "grabbing a drink" not "date". "Date" has WAYYYY too many connotations. You might as well say "interview" lol A good mental frame is that she hasn't earned a DATE yet, this is just you hanging out to see if she's cool or not. You can even tell her that if she brings up "are you buying dinner" etc. Be like no I don't know if you're crazy yet. This is just to see if we have chemistry and if I want to see you again. You're the buyer, not the seller. Or you can be crass like me and say I don't buy dinner for girls I haven't fucked yet lol

"it’s *incredibly* beneficial in this kind of FR for people like me and scribblerg etc to be told “you didn’t imagine that, she DID like you..you should have pulled the trigger”."

Ya that's why I'm stressing like, if that were a younger chick what you did was solid. You DID turn her around, she just has a massive wall built up because it's VITAL for her to not waste time right now. She as much as admits it lol You're making awesome progress dude, I don't always have time to comment on your FRs but I read them and try to drop in points here and there.

@Kate
"Lying or putting off questions about age until the woman is attached is often advised."

I tell them up front. I think it's hilarious. I make them do the math to know just how much older than them I am lol

"I still contend that the reality is older men have a more difficult job of forming and maintaining relationships with much younger women. And I say that because…"

…because you're no longer a young hot girl lol

"for not easily accomplishing this."

No one said it was easy or that he's a failure. He's a fucking boss for even attempting it. Most guys would lay down and wait for death.

@kfg
"Good game is what gets you what you want."

Today I learned rape is good game.

@Sun Wukong
"Best way to catch IOIs in the moment that I’ve found is to assume the sale."

This is the ideal (oldschool PUA mantra of "assume attraction") but new guys often need some confirmation first. A lot of the time when a guy spends a significant portion of his life thinking girls aren't attracted to him or because he's old (short, fat, etc) girls CAN'T be attracted to him, receive iois but miss them or discount them or doubt them or squint at them as they pass by like "wait was that what I think it might've been? maybe I was imagining it hmmm…" etc

Which is, of course, why we push them out infield. So they collect more and more until they CAN'T ignore them. Once they realize they CAN get iois from these girls, then it becomes a lot easier to just assume attraction. Gotta collect those reference experiences, that's why you gotta push your comfort zone.


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@Kate
“While I certainly believe a person can improve, I don’t believe that improvement is limitless.”

Of course you don’t, you’re a woman. That’s why men built civilization while women told them to “just lay down” lol

“Age is one of those limiting factors one runs up against. I’m all for everybody becoming the best version of themselves, but I think it is unwise for men or women to harbor and propagate delusions about the reality of the SMP.”

There are plenty of 50+ guys fucking young poon. You’d just rather they went for women your age.


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“While I certainly believe a person can improve, I don’t believe that improvement is limitless.”

Of course you don’t, you’re a woman. That’s why men built civilization while women told them to “just lay down” lol

“Age is one of those limiting factors one runs up against. I’m all for everybody becoming the best version of themselves, but I think it is unwise for men or women to harbor and propagate delusions about the reality of the SMP.”

There are plenty of 50+ guys fucking young poon. You’d just rather they went for women your age.


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“No more “old man game”. That landed, done and dusted. And yes, Ya, it was becoming an identity and getting worse not better the more I gamed. But I’ve had other experiences like this with limiting beliefs and you guys hit the exact KO.”

Good man. Your ego will fuck with you FOREVER. Even when you escape it you’ll build an ego around being free of it…”look how enlightened I am, not like these OTHER plebs all trapped in their ego, I’M free of MY ego” lol

Revolver is an interesting take on a guy fighting his own ego and how it’ll try to come in through the back door and fake it and do ANYTHING to keep control of you (metaphorically):

And I can’t find the apology scene but it’s pretty epic and a great depiction of going against what your ego wants.

The movie is pretty powerful/deep when you understand what they’re trying to depict. The first time I saw the movie I didn’t get it and was like “wtf did I just watch that was stupid” lol


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“No more “old man game”. That landed, done and dusted. And yes, Ya, it was becoming an identity and getting worse not better the more I gamed. But I’ve had other experiences like this with limiting beliefs and you guys hit the exact KO.”

Good man. Your ego will fuck with you FOREVER. Even when you escape it you’ll build an ego around being free of it…”look how enlightened I am, not like these OTHER plebs all trapped in their ego, I’M free of MY ego” lol

Revolver is an interesting take on a guy fighting his own ego and how it’ll try to come in through the back door and fake it and do ANYTHING to keep control of you (metaphorically):

And I can’t find the apology scene but it’s pretty epic and a great depiction of going against what your ego wants.

The movie is pretty powerful/deep when you understand what they’re trying to depict. The first time I saw the movie I didn’t get it and was like “wtf did I just watch that was stupid” lol


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(in that first scene he spends the whole movie with claustrophobia scared to take elevators (takes the stairs all the time) and he’s decided to confront his fear/ego/identity and step into the elevator doing what his ego doesn’t want him to do…this is kind of what some guys go through with Approach Anxiety which is basically pushing yourself to do what your ego doesn’t want you to do)


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(in that first scene he spends the whole movie with claustrophobia scared to take elevators (takes the stairs all the time) and he’s decided to confront his fear/ego/identity and step into the elevator doing what his ego doesn’t want him to do…this is kind of what some guys go through with Approach Anxiety which is basically pushing yourself to do what your ego doesn’t want you to do)


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Beauty, found the apology scene:

This is him forcing his ego to do things that might hurt it (feeling like a bitch, getting rejected by a cafe girl) or hurt his identity (“I’m a guy who doesn’t apologize to scumbags” “I’m a player who never gets rejected”) and a representation of the pushback that happens when you kill your ego. Most guys aren’t playing to win, they’re playing to “not lose”, because their ego wants to protect itself from being shaken. How can you be this badass player who banged all these girls when you were younger if that cafe girl shoots you down or worse is CREEPED OUT by you and your fat old belly? Well shit, if she doesn’t like you then you must not be that player and THEN what ARE you?? Just some old guy with weaker game than you used to have, trying to learn game. You can’t be that, you’re the man, you banged a million girls and scored all the touchdowns. That’s who you are, you aren’t some guy who gets rejected in a cafe.

All of this is happening in a split second in the moment. And any time you challenge your ego and try to change your identity, you’ll run into it. So learn to love it, because it’s a sign that you’re pushing yourself in ways that most people will never even get off the couch and turn off Netflix to attempt. That battle is your new best friend the same way the pain in the gym is.

Growth comes from doing what your ego doesn’t want it to do. This is why we push guys out of their comfort zones. Kill your ego. And understand that it’ll come back and you’ll have to kill it again, in another form…always push your comfort zone. The second you start to rest is the second you start stagnating into an identity/ego and will resist change and stop growing:

@kfg
I legitimately have no idea what you’re saying anymore lol


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Beauty, found the apology scene:

This is him forcing his ego to do things that might hurt it (feeling like a bitch, getting rejected by a cafe girl) or hurt his identity (“I’m a guy who doesn’t apologize to scumbags” “I’m a player who never gets rejected”) and a representation of the pushback that happens when you kill your ego. Most guys aren’t playing to win, they’re playing to “not lose”, because their ego wants to protect itself from being shaken. How can you be this badass player who banged all these girls when you were younger if that cafe girl shoots you down or worse is CREEPED OUT by you and your fat old belly? Well shit, if she doesn’t like you then you must not be that player and THEN what ARE you?? Just some old guy with weaker game than you used to have, trying to learn game. You can’t be that, you’re the man, you banged a million girls and scored all the touchdowns. That’s who you are, you aren’t some guy who gets rejected in a cafe.

All of this is happening in a split second in the moment. And any time you challenge your ego and try to change your identity, you’ll run into it. So learn to love it, because it’s a sign that you’re pushing yourself in ways that most people will never even get off the couch and turn off Netflix to attempt. That battle is your new best friend the same way the pain in the gym is.

Growth comes from doing what your ego doesn’t want it to do. This is why we push guys out of their comfort zones. Kill your ego. And understand that it’ll come back and you’ll have to kill it again, in another form…always push your comfort zone. The second you start to rest is the second you start stagnating into an identity/ego and will resist change and stop growing:

@kfg
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@kfg
lol no you’ve just gone way into cryptic woowoo territory. Explain your point better.


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lol no you’ve just gone way into cryptic woowoo territory. Explain your point better.


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“My only advantage? I’ve had to work through so much other mental and egoic and attitudinal shit in my life before that I’m fine with doing so in this area. I’m committed to this and am actually enjoying this all in a way.”

That’s why I’m not worried about you. You’ll be fine. Just keep putting in the work and trust the process.

And ya it’s the same mentality as your cold calling approach, just apply it to girls. RSD uses the Best Buy analogy: imagine you walk into Best Buy to buy a new big screen TV. You have the money in your pocket and you know you WANT a TV. But you don’t know which one yet and when you’re looking at the TVs the salesperson has to list the features to you and impress YOU. You’re not trying to convince them to LET you buy a TV, view it as them trying to sell you on their particular TV. You’re the buyer, not the seller.

@HowlingManTodd
“Hey YaReally, can you let Lumpy know that whatever Rollo did recently to the comments section code, it broke the shit out of YaReally Archive’s ability to grab new stuff?”

Thanks for the heads-up, I’ll give him a shout. WAY TO GO ROLLO.


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“My only advantage? I’ve had to work through so much other mental and egoic and attitudinal shit in my life before that I’m fine with doing so in this area. I’m committed to this and am actually enjoying this all in a way.”

That’s why I’m not worried about you. You’ll be fine. Just keep putting in the work and trust the process.

And ya it’s the same mentality as your cold calling approach, just apply it to girls. RSD uses the Best Buy analogy: imagine you walk into Best Buy to buy a new big screen TV. You have the money in your pocket and you know you WANT a TV. But you don’t know which one yet and when you’re looking at the TVs the salesperson has to list the features to you and impress YOU. You’re not trying to convince them to LET you buy a TV, view it as them trying to sell you on their particular TV. You’re the buyer, not the seller.

@HowlingManTodd
“Hey YaReally, can you let Lumpy know that whatever Rollo did recently to the comments section code, it broke the shit out of YaReally Archive’s ability to grab new stuff?”

Thanks for the heads-up, I’ll give him a shout. WAY TO GO ROLLO.


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“at my gym there’s a cute girl. a little while ago, she was talking to this guy. a half-chad looking fellow. and in my mind i’m like ‘lol so x-rated, she’s just throwing herself at him and he doesn’t even kno….man, guys like that have it so easy and have no idea.’ ”

This is what guys who don’t go out enough don’t get. When I say all those good-looking dudes are usually chodes with shitty game it’s not that the girl is grabbing their dick in the bar and they’re pushing her off, she’s just doing things that are VERY CLEARLY throwing herself at him when you know what to look for, but the guy is oblivious or not in the right headspace and fucks up taking the window she’s giving him and she shuts down and bails or she WANTS him to fuck her or make out with her, and he just gets her number to go on a date (and then she flakes).

Because why WOULD they know the signals to look for? They get enough girls saying “hello” that they don’t have to look deeper. But a “hello” doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have the game to take that to an actual lay. That’s why I say looks are great for some free “gimme” Approach Invites and opens but that’s it, from there you’d better have some game and realize that that gimme means “I WANT TO FUCK YOU” not “I’m just a friendly girl feeling your bicep”.

It’s MINDBLOWING how many of these dudes will get what to ME would be guaranteed lays, and drop the ball completely because they just never learned game.

Meanwhile a guy like Scray, me, Tyler, etc we aren’t going to get as many free gimmes (tho we still get them, esp if we’re DHV’ing) but we learn how to take every free gimme we get to the end zone while the guy who’s banking on his looks basks in female attention but doesn’t know what to do with it and often ends up banging average to ugly girls who were just super aggressive and made all the moves (since he doesn’t need game for that).

It’s rare that a good-looking dude with zero game gets like a 9 walking up to him, opening him, and aggressively pushing it all the way to sex for him. It happens, but a guy is MUCH better off in terms of consistency/efficiency spending his time learning game.

If you have the free time to balance gym AND game, cool, but every night you stay in and hit the gym or are too sore/tired to go out or pass up an invite to go out so you can avoid bad food and keep your 12% bodyfat etc, you’re a night behind where your game could be at.

@kfg
“Go try your best game on a female bear or salmon.”

lol

“what do you think of this pickup concept?”
“I think the sky is blue”
“what? I have no idea what we’re talking about, you got all cryptic.”
“Exactly. The limitations of your mindset.”
“…what??”
“Try raping a female salmon.”
“ooookay”

We’re not making fun of you, you just literally aren’t making sense. I’m sure you have some kind of point but you’re trying to paint it in woowoo nonsense to try to sound mystical or whatever and we’re saying dude just say what the fuck you mean to say.

You’re acting like this guy and it’s silly lol:


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@scray
“at my gym there’s a cute girl. a little while ago, she was talking to this guy. a half-chad looking fellow. and in my mind i’m like ‘lol so x-rated, she’s just throwing herself at him and he doesn’t even kno….man, guys like that have it so easy and have no idea.’ ”

This is what guys who don’t go out enough don’t get. When I say all those good-looking dudes are usually chodes with shitty game it’s not that the girl is grabbing their dick in the bar and they’re pushing her off, she’s just doing things that are VERY CLEARLY throwing herself at him when you know what to look for, but the guy is oblivious or not in the right headspace and fucks up taking the window she’s giving him and she shuts down and bails or she WANTS him to fuck her or make out with her, and he just gets her number to go on a date (and then she flakes).

Because why WOULD they know the signals to look for? They get enough girls saying “hello” that they don’t have to look deeper. But a “hello” doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have the game to take that to an actual lay. That’s why I say looks are great for some free “gimme” Approach Invites and opens but that’s it, from there you’d better have some game and realize that that gimme means “I WANT TO FUCK YOU” not “I’m just a friendly girl feeling your bicep”.

It’s MINDBLOWING how many of these dudes will get what to ME would be guaranteed lays, and drop the ball completely because they just never learned game.

Meanwhile a guy like Scray, me, Tyler, etc we aren’t going to get as many free gimmes (tho we still get them, esp if we’re DHV’ing) but we learn how to take every free gimme we get to the end zone while the guy who’s banking on his looks basks in female attention but doesn’t know what to do with it and often ends up banging average to ugly girls who were just super aggressive and made all the moves (since he doesn’t need game for that).

It’s rare that a good-looking dude with zero game gets like a 9 walking up to him, opening him, and aggressively pushing it all the way to sex for him. It happens, but a guy is MUCH better off in terms of consistency/efficiency spending his time learning game.

If you have the free time to balance gym AND game, cool, but every night you stay in and hit the gym or are too sore/tired to go out or pass up an invite to go out so you can avoid bad food and keep your 12% bodyfat etc, you’re a night behind where your game could be at.

@kfg
“Go try your best game on a female bear or salmon.”

lol

“what do you think of this pickup concept?”
“I think the sky is blue”
“what? I have no idea what we’re talking about, you got all cryptic.”
“Exactly. The limitations of your mindset.”
“…what??”
“Try raping a female salmon.”
“ooookay”

We’re not making fun of you, you just literally aren’t making sense. I’m sure you have some kind of point but you’re trying to paint it in woowoo nonsense to try to sound mystical or whatever and we’re saying dude just say what the fuck you mean to say.

You’re acting like this guy and it’s silly lol:


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Working my ass off this month so you guys are on your own for a while.

@HABD
That expansion on the SIDS thing is an interesting angle to think about.

@Rollo
He’s mobilizing his LARP’ers. I wonder how many Braveheart and LOTR gifs will be posted by the neomasculine guys who ignore technology and nerd culture like videogames. lol

@scray
Fucking nailing it with your posts.

@scribblerg
Careful. If I wanted to take your girls infield I would joke that you probably suck at poker or minimize your results as not very impressive and imply you don’t know much about sales and watch you go off on a bragging rant. Ego is everywhere (not just in pickup/women related areas) especially with Naturals, and it’s a very easy weak spot for people to take advantage of. Just be aware of how hard you hold onto your self-image so that it’s harder to use it against you. Same dynamics as Marty in Back To The Future almost getting himself killed not wanting to be called a chicken lol

Remember: every time you brag about something you’re proud of, you reveal to people what your value system is, and that gives them ammo to shake your frame and get you to voluntarily put yourself in a reactive state that tanks your value. This is a safe space and all that, but like, keep this in mind for the field. Guys wonder how I get other guys to react to me when I’m in set and it’s because I spot stuff like this and PUA taught me how to use it to take the girls off guys (who are legitimately better at whatever that value they’re qualifying themselves on is lol)

@Sentient
That whole explanation about married girls and guys needing the time for THEM to adjust and stop slipping up etc is rock solid. Admittedly I didn’t know where anyone was going with the “YaReally would turn it around in 10 seconds” thing as I did my CTRL-F for my name but that explanation makes sense and aligns with how shit works infield and the common failures I see when guys DO try to turn their relationships around…the only thing worse than failing every shit-test is passing some of them while randomly failing the rest, because then she REALLY doesn’t know what to expect and will test even harder to figure out wtf she’s dealing with and what she’s supposed to mentally label the guy as. Congruency is king, but congruency takes time and experience…which is again why I tell men not to settle down for their final long-term LTR till they’re in their late 30s or in their 40s, because they won’t be congruent till then…and even THEN I would do it in a pLTR not a traditional monoLTR etc.

That all said, it’s important for Dutch to understand that he’s the guy who will fuck up all these shit-tests and stuff a bunch on the road to fixing things, so don’t expect to turn it around in 10 seconds and expect a pain period as you fuck up here and there (since you didn’t learn this stuff before this point) and her brain is forced to try to re-label you and she tries to force you back into the label she already knows you as (people don’t like change or having to re-evaluate their world, especially people close to them, that’s why often your friends will try to hold you back when you learn pickup and stop being the little quiet chode of the group etc).

@Sentient @Forge the Sky
I hate Sasha’s game lol He’s super dancing monkey reactive and I don’t like his subcomms and his logic here is stupid (and quite frankly not good advertising for his skills as an instructor if he can’t see why Vitaly’s rock solid subcomms are different from his own goofy ones and why that would make a difference in the reactions they get).

But it’s funny how blatantly solid Vitaly’s are compared to him…but technically Sasha is taller and he isn’t objectively a bad looking dude. There are probably some dudes here who wouldn’t mind looking like Sasha.

Is Vitaly some supermodel 10/10? Vitaly’s like 5’10”, Sasha’s probably taller than him. Vitaly isn’t some jacked up Arnold, he’s just a generic Russian dude somewhere between skinny and in good shape depending on the video, with sometimes droopy eyes and a big nose.

But the girls are picking up on the subcomms and Vitaly basically doesn’t flinch. And that goes a LONG way.

@Sun Wukong
How can you be such a smart fucking dude but also be so retarded at the same time?

“I’ve tried a little right near SMU and had bad luck, just been infrequent since I’m in the ‘burbs and it’s a bit of a drive.”

ohhhhh it’s a bit of a drive is it? A bit of a DRIIIIIVE. WELL THEN. I guess you should just keep going to shitholes with old ugly bitches you don’t want to fuck, because it’s A BIT OF A DRIVE. I mean, you’re depressed as fuck writing angry-ass rants all night about how you’re just destined to be weeded out of evolution, but GOD FORBID you should go on a BIT OF A DRIVE to surround yourself with hot young chicks to game. A BIT OF A DRIIIIIIVE.

You know what’s a bit of a drive? The drive the bus made 4 nights a week after picking me up at a bus stop I waited in knee-deep snow at for 20 minutes just so I could find a venue downtown with a handful of hot girls that braved the cold weather on a Thursday night. The drive Tyler made from his hometown to Toronto just for the opportunity to roll out with Mystery Style etc. The drive Tyler made to the airport to go to LA and join Project Hollywood and live on a mattress in a closet for the chance to learn game around hot girls. The drive Todd made to Project Hollywood where he slept in a tent on a lawn just for the opportunity. The drive Julien and Max made to the airport before they flew to another country to learn game.

You know what’s a bit of a drive? The drive my bus was STILL making a few years ago in the middle of the winter before I finally moved into the middle of the bar scene to have better logistics despite a smaller lower quality apartment so I didn’t have to cry about A BIT OF A DRIVE.

You are lazy. You’re trying to squeeze blood from a stone at these shithole places because you’re too lazy to make the effort to go where large amounts of hot girls gather.

Are you telling me Dallas doesn’t have a single university or college? Every girl just moves away when they turn legal age? Are you telling me Dallas is the one place in the fucking world where college girls just stay at home on fri/sat nights and don’t go out in public or socialize or party or blow off steam or go shopping or go for coffee or do their studying etc?

No, that’s retarded. They’re out there and you either haven’t put in the effort to find out WHERE they are like the guys replying to you have been giving you suggestions on how to do, or you have ideas of where they are but are too lazy to go there even after you have a few bad nights.

The time you spend bitching about how shitty these girls around you are and how little interest you have in them and the hours you spend in these places getting drinks thrown at you and the time you spend when you write your butthurt Field Reports is time you COULD have spent driving to a better location with girls you’re actually attracted to so you could learn game instead of learning how to just be an asshole to old ugly bitches while you get drunk.

Talk to these young chicks when you’re there and find out where they party and on what nights. Ask bartenders and servers what’s good on what nights. Find out what bars have drink specials. Build social proof with the bartenders and servers AT these places…YES THAT MEANS YOU’LL HAVE TO MAKE A BIT OF A DRIVE A FEW TIMES WAHHHHH. Befriend some people at these places so you maybe have access to a couch to crash on with closer logistics to those places or access to guys/girls who can pick you up and take you to the bar if you don’t want to make the drive yourself. Befriend guys in frats that are partying there so you have young people social proof and social networks to tap into that put you around college girls.

You’re a smart dude, we all know it that’s why we want to help you, so use that fucking brain of yours man, you can solve this shit if you quit trying to take the lazy/easy/convenient route.

brb I want to be a bodybuilder but the gym is a bit of a drive away so I just do some pushups on my floor. WHY DONT I LOOK LIKE ARNOLD???!!!

brb I want to be a millionaire but the office is a bit of a drive away so I just work at McDonald’s because it’s beside me. WHY AM I NOT BILL GATES?!!

And ya, it IS easier to fuck them if you have good logistics. You’re right. So when you find out where these college chicks all congregate regularly, sell all your shit and move there. If you really want to handle this shit all you need is a mattress on the floor in a cheap studio apartment, with a roommate if you’re hard up for cash. If you have any kind of stable income or savings, wtf are you doing living where you live? What, work is going to be “a bit of a drive” if you live in the middle of the college bar district or as close to campus as possible? Who cares??? You will make that drive to work with a fucking smile across your face when you wake up with some college chick sucking your dick that morning.

If your wing sucks, ditch him and go solo. There’s plenty of advice on how to do that. Meet more guys and try to find better wings, at the good venues. Take “a bit of a drive” solo to a busy college nightclub/bar and start building your social proof there and befriending people there.

Fuckin guy. My mid-30s buddy was driving *6 HOURS* to sarge ONE NIGHT with me, driving home on 3 hours of sleep before the parking guy comes around to tag his car and sober to balance out the gas money, every couple of weeks for like 8 months. Is your “bit of a drive” more than that? Because even if it is, what bugs you more in life right now: not getting laid or a bit of a drive?

Julien’s story:

Max’s story:

Part of Todd’s story:

Can’t find a good clip of Tyler’s story but if you watch enough of his vids you’ll piece together how much he had to sacrifice to put himself in positions where he has the best opportunities possible to handle this part of his life.

There’s no reason you guys can’t be doing shit like this if you make the sacrifice and put in the effort like the rest of us are:

Give us a Field Report from a venue full of hot young college girls. Even if all you do is get blown out all night or stand in a fucking corner alone with a water at your chest (don’t drink and drive yo), THAT’S the Field Report we’re all waiting to read.

You’re better than the venues you’re hanging out in…if some girl’s going to call you an asshole loser who hates women and can’t get laid, that girl could at least look like a 21yo college hottie instead of some post-wall bitter married wrinkle-faced cougar that you wouldn’t want to fuck even if she DID like you.


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@HABD
That expansion on the SIDS thing is an interesting angle to think about.

@Rollo
He’s mobilizing his LARP’ers. I wonder how many Braveheart and LOTR gifs will be posted by the neomasculine guys who ignore technology and nerd culture like videogames. lol

@scray
Fucking nailing it with your posts.

@scribblerg
Careful. If I wanted to take your girls infield I would joke that you probably suck at poker or minimize your results as not very impressive and imply you don’t know much about sales and watch you go off on a bragging rant. Ego is everywhere (not just in pickup/women related areas) especially with Naturals, and it’s a very easy weak spot for people to take advantage of. Just be aware of how hard you hold onto your self-image so that it’s harder to use it against you. Same dynamics as Marty in Back To The Future almost getting himself killed not wanting to be called a chicken lol

Remember: every time you brag about something you’re proud of, you reveal to people what your value system is, and that gives them ammo to shake your frame and get you to voluntarily put yourself in a reactive state that tanks your value. This is a safe space and all that, but like, keep this in mind for the field. Guys wonder how I get other guys to react to me when I’m in set and it’s because I spot stuff like this and PUA taught me how to use it to take the girls off guys (who are legitimately better at whatever that value they’re qualifying themselves on is lol)

@Sentient
That whole explanation about married girls and guys needing the time for THEM to adjust and stop slipping up etc is rock solid. Admittedly I didn’t know where anyone was going with the “YaReally would turn it around in 10 seconds” thing as I did my CTRL-F for my name but that explanation makes sense and aligns with how shit works infield and the common failures I see when guys DO try to turn their relationships around…the only thing worse than failing every shit-test is passing some of them while randomly failing the rest, because then she REALLY doesn’t know what to expect and will test even harder to figure out wtf she’s dealing with and what she’s supposed to mentally label the guy as. Congruency is king, but congruency takes time and experience…which is again why I tell men not to settle down for their final long-term LTR till they’re in their late 30s or in their 40s, because they won’t be congruent till then…and even THEN I would do it in a pLTR not a traditional monoLTR etc.

That all said, it’s important for Dutch to understand that he’s the guy who will fuck up all these shit-tests and stuff a bunch on the road to fixing things, so don’t expect to turn it around in 10 seconds and expect a pain period as you fuck up here and there (since you didn’t learn this stuff before this point) and her brain is forced to try to re-label you and she tries to force you back into the label she already knows you as (people don’t like change or having to re-evaluate their world, especially people close to them, that’s why often your friends will try to hold you back when you learn pickup and stop being the little quiet chode of the group etc).

@Sentient @Forge the Sky
I hate Sasha’s game lol He’s super dancing monkey reactive and I don’t like his subcomms and his logic here is stupid (and quite frankly not good advertising for his skills as an instructor if he can’t see why Vitaly’s rock solid subcomms are different from his own goofy ones and why that would make a difference in the reactions they get).

But it’s funny how blatantly solid Vitaly’s are compared to him…but technically Sasha is taller and he isn’t objectively a bad looking dude. There are probably some dudes here who wouldn’t mind looking like Sasha.

Is Vitaly some supermodel 10/10? Vitaly’s like 5’10”, Sasha’s probably taller than him. Vitaly isn’t some jacked up Arnold, he’s just a generic Russian dude somewhere between skinny and in good shape depending on the video, with sometimes droopy eyes and a big nose.

But the girls are picking up on the subcomms and Vitaly basically doesn’t flinch. And that goes a LONG way.

@Sun Wukong
How can you be such a smart fucking dude but also be so retarded at the same time?

“I’ve tried a little right near SMU and had bad luck, just been infrequent since I’m in the ‘burbs and it’s a bit of a drive.”

ohhhhh it’s a bit of a drive is it? A bit of a DRIIIIIVE. WELL THEN. I guess you should just keep going to shitholes with old ugly bitches you don’t want to fuck, because it’s A BIT OF A DRIVE. I mean, you’re depressed as fuck writing angry-ass rants all night about how you’re just destined to be weeded out of evolution, but GOD FORBID you should go on a BIT OF A DRIVE to surround yourself with hot young chicks to game. A BIT OF A DRIIIIIIVE.

You know what’s a bit of a drive? The drive the bus made 4 nights a week after picking me up at a bus stop I waited in knee-deep snow at for 20 minutes just so I could find a venue downtown with a handful of hot girls that braved the cold weather on a Thursday night. The drive Tyler made from his hometown to Toronto just for the opportunity to roll out with Mystery Style etc. The drive Tyler made to the airport to go to LA and join Project Hollywood and live on a mattress in a closet for the chance to learn game around hot girls. The drive Todd made to Project Hollywood where he slept in a tent on a lawn just for the opportunity. The drive Julien and Max made to the airport before they flew to another country to learn game.

You know what’s a bit of a drive? The drive my bus was STILL making a few years ago in the middle of the winter before I finally moved into the middle of the bar scene to have better logistics despite a smaller lower quality apartment so I didn’t have to cry about A BIT OF A DRIVE.

You are lazy. You’re trying to squeeze blood from a stone at these shithole places because you’re too lazy to make the effort to go where large amounts of hot girls gather.

Are you telling me Dallas doesn’t have a single university or college? Every girl just moves away when they turn legal age? Are you telling me Dallas is the one place in the fucking world where college girls just stay at home on fri/sat nights and don’t go out in public or socialize or party or blow off steam or go shopping or go for coffee or do their studying etc?

No, that’s retarded. They’re out there and you either haven’t put in the effort to find out WHERE they are like the guys replying to you have been giving you suggestions on how to do, or you have ideas of where they are but are too lazy to go there even after you have a few bad nights.

The time you spend bitching about how shitty these girls around you are and how little interest you have in them and the hours you spend in these places getting drinks thrown at you and the time you spend when you write your butthurt Field Reports is time you COULD have spent driving to a better location with girls you’re actually attracted to so you could learn game instead of learning how to just be an asshole to old ugly bitches while you get drunk.

Talk to these young chicks when you’re there and find out where they party and on what nights. Ask bartenders and servers what’s good on what nights. Find out what bars have drink specials. Build social proof with the bartenders and servers AT these places…YES THAT MEANS YOU’LL HAVE TO MAKE A BIT OF A DRIVE A FEW TIMES WAHHHHH. Befriend some people at these places so you maybe have access to a couch to crash on with closer logistics to those places or access to guys/girls who can pick you up and take you to the bar if you don’t want to make the drive yourself. Befriend guys in frats that are partying there so you have young people social proof and social networks to tap into that put you around college girls.

You’re a smart dude, we all know it that’s why we want to help you, so use that fucking brain of yours man, you can solve this shit if you quit trying to take the lazy/easy/convenient route.

brb I want to be a bodybuilder but the gym is a bit of a drive away so I just do some pushups on my floor. WHY DONT I LOOK LIKE ARNOLD???!!!

brb I want to be a millionaire but the office is a bit of a drive away so I just work at McDonald’s because it’s beside me. WHY AM I NOT BILL GATES?!!

And ya, it IS easier to fuck them if you have good logistics. You’re right. So when you find out where these college chicks all congregate regularly, sell all your shit and move there. If you really want to handle this shit all you need is a mattress on the floor in a cheap studio apartment, with a roommate if you’re hard up for cash. If you have any kind of stable income or savings, wtf are you doing living where you live? What, work is going to be “a bit of a drive” if you live in the middle of the college bar district or as close to campus as possible? Who cares??? You will make that drive to work with a fucking smile across your face when you wake up with some college chick sucking your dick that morning.

If your wing sucks, ditch him and go solo. There’s plenty of advice on how to do that. Meet more guys and try to find better wings, at the good venues. Take “a bit of a drive” solo to a busy college nightclub/bar and start building your social proof there and befriending people there.

Fuckin guy. My mid-30s buddy was driving *6 HOURS* to sarge ONE NIGHT with me, driving home on 3 hours of sleep before the parking guy comes around to tag his car and sober to balance out the gas money, every couple of weeks for like 8 months. Is your “bit of a drive” more than that? Because even if it is, what bugs you more in life right now: not getting laid or a bit of a drive?

Julien’s story:

Max’s story:

Part of Todd’s story:

Can’t find a good clip of Tyler’s story but if you watch enough of his vids you’ll piece together how much he had to sacrifice to put himself in positions where he has the best opportunities possible to handle this part of his life.

There’s no reason you guys can’t be doing shit like this if you make the sacrifice and put in the effort like the rest of us are:

Give us a Field Report from a venue full of hot young college girls. Even if all you do is get blown out all night or stand in a fucking corner alone with a water at your chest (don’t drink and drive yo), THAT’S the Field Report we’re all waiting to read.

You’re better than the venues you’re hanging out in…if some girl’s going to call you an asshole loser who hates women and can’t get laid, that girl could at least look like a 21yo college hottie instead of some post-wall bitter married wrinkle-faced cougar that you wouldn’t want to fuck even if she DID like you.


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@Sun Wukong
It’s like when I take buddies to venues that I know will have a bunch of hot girls in them and they bitch about having to pay a $5-$10 cover charge. Oh, okay, how about we go to the free pub down the street full of sausage instead, so you can blow $60 on jugs of beer while I listen to you bitch about how you don’t have a girlfriend.

I would rather read a Field Report where you got blown out hard by a hot young college chick and ran out of the bar to drive home crying, because at least that means you were in a venue with hot young college chicks instead of wasting your time in these crappy venues.


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@Sun Wukong
It’s like when I take buddies to venues that I know will have a bunch of hot girls in them and they bitch about having to pay a $5-$10 cover charge. Oh, okay, how about we go to the free pub down the street full of sausage instead, so you can blow $60 on jugs of beer while I listen to you bitch about how you don’t have a girlfriend.

I would rather read a Field Report where you got blown out hard by a hot young college chick and ran out of the bar to drive home crying, because at least that means you were in a venue with hot young college chicks instead of wasting your time in these crappy venues.


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@Sun Wukong
Or like guys who I invite out multiple nights a week but who only come out once every week or two, and then complain that they aren’t getting the results they want and then cry that oh I’m supposed to be weeded out of evolution I’m just not meant to reproduce. Like, what do they expect??

If you’re going out 6 nights a week, 4 hours a night, to prime venues, and approaching 20 girls a night, for years, and STILL not getting laid then ya, maybe there’s a problem (and even THEN I would just say get personal coaching from someone who can figure out where your sticking points are).

I don’t look like Arnold because I lift weights like once a month and am eating pizza as I type this lol If I wanted to look like Arnold I would expect to make some legitimate sacrifices, like “a bit of a drive” to the gym.


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@Sun Wukong
Or like guys who I invite out multiple nights a week but who only come out once every week or two, and then complain that they aren’t getting the results they want and then cry that oh I’m supposed to be weeded out of evolution I’m just not meant to reproduce. Like, what do they expect??

If you’re going out 6 nights a week, 4 hours a night, to prime venues, and approaching 20 girls a night, for years, and STILL not getting laid then ya, maybe there’s a problem (and even THEN I would just say get personal coaching from someone who can figure out where your sticking points are).

I don’t look like Arnold because I lift weights like once a month and am eating pizza as I type this lol If I wanted to look like Arnold I would expect to make some legitimate sacrifices, like “a bit of a drive” to the gym.


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@Forge
fucking lol @ the clip <3


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fucking lol @ the clip❤


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Dat pagebreak timing errrytime lol Don’t want Sun Wukong to miss his YaReally bitchslap so:

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Dat pagebreak timing errrytime lol Don’t want Sun Wukong to miss his YaReally bitchslap so:

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@scribblerg
lol if I had simply posted:

“@scribblerg
lol $6k at a casino isn’t much, I walked out with $10k once, casinos are the easiest game to play in…now home games are where the real skill is at”

…you would have responded with a rant about how you win every home game you’ve ever played and that you would beat me in a casino etc etc.

That’s all I’m saying. A guy can be very humble in one area but have an ego in another area (even if you’re good at something, developing an ego about it where you instinctively have to qualify yourself to defend your self-image about it, is a trap)

Be aware of where your ego will trap you, Naturals walk blind-sided into qualifying themselves and reacting to other guys’ frames in the moment and you do it a lot here like with the poker and 7-figure stuff. That shit will get you owned infield ’cause those hot young college chicks are picking up on which guy is reacting/qualifying.


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@scribblerg
lol if I had simply posted:

“@scribblerg
lol $6k at a casino isn’t much, I walked out with $10k once, casinos are the easiest game to play in…now home games are where the real skill is at”

…you would have responded with a rant about how you win every home game you’ve ever played and that you would beat me in a casino etc etc.

That’s all I’m saying. A guy can be very humble in one area but have an ego in another area (even if you’re good at something, developing an ego about it where you instinctively have to qualify yourself to defend your self-image about it, is a trap)

Be aware of where your ego will trap you, Naturals walk blind-sided into qualifying themselves and reacting to other guys’ frames in the moment and you do it a lot here like with the poker and 7-figure stuff. That shit will get you owned infield ’cause those hot young college chicks are picking up on which guy is reacting/qualifying.


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@scray
“at the same time, this mindset you’re adopting, if it’s going to help you pull the trigger, then fuck it, use it. ”

lol ya that’s fair. I just noticed it when I was skimming and I was going to post the “eh casino poker isn’t even real poker tho” comment to show him reacting in action but I have limited time today lol I just don’t want scribblerg (or anyone) to get the impression that being humble about “oh I’m not great at pickup, I’ve escaped my ego I admit I’m not the player I used to be” means that there isn’t still ego hiding in other areas. Shit is all over the place and guys who know what they’re doing in field can fuck with that. Guys would be mindblown at some of the dudes who will qualify themselves to me infield just because I figure out their value system and poke at it. And this all comes back to why it’s best to build your confidence internally based on just “I am enough” VS on externals like poker skills or closing 7 figure deals etc. Can’t really fuck with a guy who’s confidence is based internally because his value system is himself in that moment lol

That said, like you say if the mindset helps get him out there then fuck it. I tell myself how awesome I am all the time, positive affirmations and all that. I guess the major key is that I’m saying those things to myself and don’t care if others disagree. Like a young chick was telling me I’m too old to be at the nightclub this weekend and kept asking why I was there and saying I’m too old and I shouldn’t be there etc. I just agree & amplify or lol and don’t disagree, and we made out later. But if I reacted/qualified or let it get at me (@Sun Wukong) I’d have lost her. I would do the same about poker or money etc because I understand this stuff, but Naturals often have a VERY hard time letting anyone think different from their self-image and it’s a huge trap to exploit down the road.

@Forge the Sky
For me it wouldn’t be worth the potential personal/social/etc drama. Part of why I like cold approach over social circle game is that I don’t like drama in my life following me around. But some guys don’t mind it.

Either way you’re entering a girl who views men as providers so ya you’ve got to demo that you’re not one and demo that you’re a Lover. Same problem as meeting a girl on a sugar-daddy website and then trying to get her to fuck you without money exchanging hands…or calling a hooker over and trying to get laid for free. It’s POSSIBLE, but it’s an uphill battle and even if you succeed you’re likely to get a lot of Buyer’s Remorse and/or not bang her again because usually she’ll just hamster rationalize that “okay well probably AFTER I sleep with him once THEN I’ll get the exchange I’m expecting (commitment in your case)” and when you don’t provide it she’s either gone or has BR.

Wouldn’t be worth it to me lol


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“at the same time, this mindset you’re adopting, if it’s going to help you pull the trigger, then fuck it, use it. ”

lol ya that’s fair. I just noticed it when I was skimming and I was going to post the “eh casino poker isn’t even real poker tho” comment to show him reacting in action but I have limited time today lol I just don’t want scribblerg (or anyone) to get the impression that being humble about “oh I’m not great at pickup, I’ve escaped my ego I admit I’m not the player I used to be” means that there isn’t still ego hiding in other areas. Shit is all over the place and guys who know what they’re doing in field can fuck with that. Guys would be mindblown at some of the dudes who will qualify themselves to me infield just because I figure out their value system and poke at it. And this all comes back to why it’s best to build your confidence internally based on just “I am enough” VS on externals like poker skills or closing 7 figure deals etc. Can’t really fuck with a guy who’s confidence is based internally because his value system is himself in that moment lol

That said, like you say if the mindset helps get him out there then fuck it. I tell myself how awesome I am all the time, positive affirmations and all that. I guess the major key is that I’m saying those things to myself and don’t care if others disagree. Like a young chick was telling me I’m too old to be at the nightclub this weekend and kept asking why I was there and saying I’m too old and I shouldn’t be there etc. I just agree & amplify or lol and don’t disagree, and we made out later. But if I reacted/qualified or let it get at me (@Sun Wukong) I’d have lost her. I would do the same about poker or money etc because I understand this stuff, but Naturals often have a VERY hard time letting anyone think different from their self-image and it’s a huge trap to exploit down the road.

@Forge the Sky
For me it wouldn’t be worth the potential personal/social/etc drama. Part of why I like cold approach over social circle game is that I don’t like drama in my life following me around. But some guys don’t mind it.

Either way you’re entering a girl who views men as providers so ya you’ve got to demo that you’re not one and demo that you’re a Lover. Same problem as meeting a girl on a sugar-daddy website and then trying to get her to fuck you without money exchanging hands…or calling a hooker over and trying to get laid for free. It’s POSSIBLE, but it’s an uphill battle and even if you succeed you’re likely to get a lot of Buyer’s Remorse and/or not bang her again because usually she’ll just hamster rationalize that “okay well probably AFTER I sleep with him once THEN I’ll get the exchange I’m expecting (commitment in your case)” and when you don’t provide it she’s either gone or has BR.

Wouldn’t be worth it to me lol


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“when people ask me about success i’ve had, i PURPOSEFULLY list dumb shit that makes no sense as being responsible. ”

lol ya, like the “oh I’m just naturally jacked I dunno man I eat a lot of pizza maybe that helps” stuff that pisses guys off (aka gets them reacting).

To relate it to poker (no-limit, I don’t have the patience for limit lol): I’d rather play a guy who’s convinced he’s really good at poker and thinks I’m an idiot, because I know HE’S not raising pre-flop holding 27o and will let me take the pot when I go all-in on a 227 flop and his pocket Kings are no good anymore lol but I don’t know wtf the idiot whale guy is going to play, maybe he thinks his garbage cards are his lucky hand because he won with it in some drunken college game a few years ago and he just FEELS like he should raise it to the river and catch his hand when he was SUPPOSED to fold if he knew wtf he was doing.

I can AMOG most Naturals no problem (yes even the good-looking tall rich jacked MMA fighting ones that guys think would never be AMOG’able by a guy like me), ’cause they’re predictable and often finding their weak spots is easy because they’re the same socially conditioned weak spots most guys have so it’s like, I already know most of his value system and can figure out the rest just by looking at him. I can do it in a non-hostile way too, like in a compliment, where it won’t raise his “aggression” (which is the instant resort of a guy who’s feeling ego-pains).

But a guy like scray who’s externals are a value-system bluff (like he’s in shape but his confidence isn’t based on it so de-valuing it doesn’t do anything to him) or a guy like myself who has no visible value-system (since I have pretty much no externals lol and some of my externals are purposely traps, like I KNOW a guy who’s jacked will think making fun of my beer belly is going to make me react so I’m 10 steps ahead of him), or a Tyler who will make fun of himself before I can, who the fuck knows what that type of guy will react to or fall into my frame with, it would be like punching at jell-o lol I’d rather just befriend that guy and pick up girls together.

@Sun Wukong
“I’m frustrated with me as well. I will say it’s not for lack of frequency out; all my buddies around here are like “Dude, you’re out all the time now” since I try to make sure to be out and meeting people 3-4 nights a week 3-6 hours each of those nights (I shut bars down more frequently than I should on work nights) and work out of a Starbucks or something at least a couple days a week.”

This is awesome and props for the amount of action you’re taking. So then it’s 100% down to venue selection. Two nights at a college bar packed full of young hotties will do you more good than spending an entire week in a bar with a bunch of old cougars and the rare decent hottie.

I have no doubt that you’ll be able to figure out where these girls go on what nights and find ways to get your ass to those venues.

Hell, the first thing I do in a new city is spend part of my first nights out just following groups of hot girls around the streets to see which bars they go into lol Gotta do your recon. I like to flat out tell bartenders and servers that I’m looking for drunk slutty young girls with low standards in a joking tone because if I don’t they’ll try to send me to the old people venues lol but if I joke about that then they go “oh god, if you want dumb drunk kids you could go to VenueX on Sundays, I used to go there when I was that age” (insert rant about how now they prefer chill pubs and houseparties (where they don’t have competition, because they’re older and closer to the wall))

You’ll be fine, but you need better venues and when you FIND those venues you need to consider if there are ways that you can have easier access TO those venues and what you’re willing to sacrifice for that. But right now just FIND the venues, it doesn’t matter if it’s harder to f-close in your car, you aren’t even pulling the girls you want to f-close right now as it IS…when you lose a bunch of lays with hot college girls because you don’t have an apartment beside the bar, THEN worry about that shit lol

Right now figure out where they are and how to get there.


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“when people ask me about success i’ve had, i PURPOSEFULLY list dumb shit that makes no sense as being responsible. ”

lol ya, like the “oh I’m just naturally jacked I dunno man I eat a lot of pizza maybe that helps” stuff that pisses guys off (aka gets them reacting).

To relate it to poker (no-limit, I don’t have the patience for limit lol): I’d rather play a guy who’s convinced he’s really good at poker and thinks I’m an idiot, because I know HE’S not raising pre-flop holding 27o and will let me take the pot when I go all-in on a 227 flop and his pocket Kings are no good anymore lol but I don’t know wtf the idiot whale guy is going to play, maybe he thinks his garbage cards are his lucky hand because he won with it in some drunken college game a few years ago and he just FEELS like he should raise it to the river and catch his hand when he was SUPPOSED to fold if he knew wtf he was doing.

I can AMOG most Naturals no problem (yes even the good-looking tall rich jacked MMA fighting ones that guys think would never be AMOG’able by a guy like me), ’cause they’re predictable and often finding their weak spots is easy because they’re the same socially conditioned weak spots most guys have so it’s like, I already know most of his value system and can figure out the rest just by looking at him. I can do it in a non-hostile way too, like in a compliment, where it won’t raise his “aggression” (which is the instant resort of a guy who’s feeling ego-pains).

But a guy like scray who’s externals are a value-system bluff (like he’s in shape but his confidence isn’t based on it so de-valuing it doesn’t do anything to him) or a guy like myself who has no visible value-system (since I have pretty much no externals lol and some of my externals are purposely traps, like I KNOW a guy who’s jacked will think making fun of my beer belly is going to make me react so I’m 10 steps ahead of him), or a Tyler who will make fun of himself before I can, who the fuck knows what that type of guy will react to or fall into my frame with, it would be like punching at jell-o lol I’d rather just befriend that guy and pick up girls together.

@Sun Wukong
“I’m frustrated with me as well. I will say it’s not for lack of frequency out; all my buddies around here are like “Dude, you’re out all the time now” since I try to make sure to be out and meeting people 3-4 nights a week 3-6 hours each of those nights (I shut bars down more frequently than I should on work nights) and work out of a Starbucks or something at least a couple days a week.”

This is awesome and props for the amount of action you’re taking. So then it’s 100% down to venue selection. Two nights at a college bar packed full of young hotties will do you more good than spending an entire week in a bar with a bunch of old cougars and the rare decent hottie.

I have no doubt that you’ll be able to figure out where these girls go on what nights and find ways to get your ass to those venues.

Hell, the first thing I do in a new city is spend part of my first nights out just following groups of hot girls around the streets to see which bars they go into lol Gotta do your recon. I like to flat out tell bartenders and servers that I’m looking for drunk slutty young girls with low standards in a joking tone because if I don’t they’ll try to send me to the old people venues lol but if I joke about that then they go “oh god, if you want dumb drunk kids you could go to VenueX on Sundays, I used to go there when I was that age” (insert rant about how now they prefer chill pubs and houseparties (where they don’t have competition, because they’re older and closer to the wall))

You’ll be fine, but you need better venues and when you FIND those venues you need to consider if there are ways that you can have easier access TO those venues and what you’re willing to sacrifice for that. But right now just FIND the venues, it doesn’t matter if it’s harder to f-close in your car, you aren’t even pulling the girls you want to f-close right now as it IS…when you lose a bunch of lays with hot college girls because you don’t have an apartment beside the bar, THEN worry about that shit lol

Right now figure out where they are and how to get there.


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Don’t wanna miss leaving one for ya, you’re doing good tho and you can see your own sticking points for the most part when you do your Field Reports (funny how they become more obvious when you write it out hey).

“This two-set was very interesting to me because it started off with them in “neutral but receptive”mode when we opened and then I just kept saying outrageous stuff sexually and within about 10 minutes there was clear attraction and kino from her (so I told a story I usually tell on dates about a sexual prank I played on a friend..a bit later she was saying something about how she does some part time babysitting but doesn’t like the mother of the kid and I teased her about how she can get back at the mother by sleeping with the father like babysitters are supposed to do..basically turned stuff sexual whenever I got a chance). And all this without even thinking (consciously) much about laser and voice tonality. So that was a great experience of building attraction…”

This is all gold, and important to learn. Most guys prematurely eject, I’ll even do it sometimes when I’m starting the night out and feeling self-conscious or like I’m not running quality game or hell even the GIRL is stifled and just not giving me much feedback and it’s like “ahhhh she kiiind of maybe doesn’t hate me but this is pretty neutral WELL BYE”

But when you force yourself to stick in there, and you follow proper shit like turning the conversation away from a resume exchange and into sexual topics (make it a game for yourself to ask her a standard question like “so where are you from?” and misinterpret whatever her answer is in a sexual way or like she’s hitting on you, like “oh no girls from Wherever are all starfish in bed” or “hmm that’s a long way for me to do a walk of shame in the morning” etc), you’ll find that often those girls were open to being flipped into Attraction but you wouldn’t have known that if you hadn’t stayed in.

This helps with your internals too, like the “give me 10 min to talk away my ugly face and I’ll bed the queen of france” stuff. You’re gaining references that “even girls who are neutral will eventually love me if I just go talk to them and stick in there”.

In standing venues like nightclubs I I like to use the mental frame of when I open them, I’m not leaving. I’m staying there holding my ground until either they love me or they run away lol

Try leading girls around. Numbers are cool but numbers just get you dates and chasing them around with phone/txt game. I like the frame of “numbers are useless and will all flake so just push for the same night lay”. Push your comfort zone into trying to lead them around the venue and isolate them from their friends and escalate on them and get them to come with you even if you pull a whole group for food somewhere, it’s all good reference experiences.

Really you could just spend an entire night practicing extracting girls from the bar and then saying “oh I forgot something” and going back in and doing it again and again and again all night lol Same with leading them around, just see how many girls you can lead to an isolation spot in the bar all night long.

You’ll be surprised how much you can do and how many of them will follow you (and gain attraction) when you start to just assume success and lead without hesitation.

@Sun Wukong
“Fun guy that I’ve been getting to know. He started showing me pictures of some of the chicks he’s been out with around town in better venues last night. Told him we’ve gotta go hang some time because I’d rather have a hot 20 year old calling me asshole than a 45 year old. He laughed and agreed.

We’ll see if anything comes of it.”

Nothing will come of it. Why would anything come of it? What value do you offer him? He’s already hanging out with hot girls, he doesn’t need you lol It’s not that you can’t bring value to the table it’s that you’re waiting for HIM to make a move and set you up, to put you on stage and give you access to these girls. Unless he just REALLY likes you, why would he bother? It’s not that he’s a jerk it’s just that YOU’RE the one who gains more from hanging with him right now.

So take the initiative and MAKE something “come of it”. Ask him what the name of those venues was again and tell him you’re going to check VenueX out this Friday and ask if he’s gonna be there. That starts the ball rolling toward him going “Nah man, but Saturday I’m hitting VenueY, you should come out.” Offer him a ride (he probably doesn’t need one but the offer itself shows that you’re a value-giver). Or just fucking go to those venues, don’t even tell him, and just keep an eye for him and when you see him shake his hand and buy him a drink and build some rapport/comfort with him and try opening some girls in front of him and if you guys get along tell him it was fun and to shoot you a txt next time he’s coming out and exchange numbers etc

You’re waiting for hot girls to just come to the venues you’re hanging in. You’re waiting for a bartender to just magically invite you to venues where he hangs with hot girls. Quit waiting, start making shit happen.

It’s not that you can’t post rants or vents or anything, it’s just that you aren’t fixing the REASONS you’re ranting and venting so it’s just a waste. It’s like complaining your head hurts when you’re banging it against the wall.

Post an angry frustrated depressed rant after a night out at VenueX with a bunch of hot college girls. At least then you’re pushing things toward a goal instead of floating in limbo out there lol


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Don’t wanna miss leaving one for ya, you’re doing good tho and you can see your own sticking points for the most part when you do your Field Reports (funny how they become more obvious when you write it out hey).

“This two-set was very interesting to me because it started off with them in “neutral but receptive”mode when we opened and then I just kept saying outrageous stuff sexually and within about 10 minutes there was clear attraction and kino from her (so I told a story I usually tell on dates about a sexual prank I played on a friend..a bit later she was saying something about how she does some part time babysitting but doesn’t like the mother of the kid and I teased her about how she can get back at the mother by sleeping with the father like babysitters are supposed to do..basically turned stuff sexual whenever I got a chance). And all this without even thinking (consciously) much about laser and voice tonality. So that was a great experience of building attraction…”

This is all gold, and important to learn. Most guys prematurely eject, I’ll even do it sometimes when I’m starting the night out and feeling self-conscious or like I’m not running quality game or hell even the GIRL is stifled and just not giving me much feedback and it’s like “ahhhh she kiiind of maybe doesn’t hate me but this is pretty neutral WELL BYE”

But when you force yourself to stick in there, and you follow proper shit like turning the conversation away from a resume exchange and into sexual topics (make it a game for yourself to ask her a standard question like “so where are you from?” and misinterpret whatever her answer is in a sexual way or like she’s hitting on you, like “oh no girls from Wherever are all starfish in bed” or “hmm that’s a long way for me to do a walk of shame in the morning” etc), you’ll find that often those girls were open to being flipped into Attraction but you wouldn’t have known that if you hadn’t stayed in.

This helps with your internals too, like the “give me 10 min to talk away my ugly face and I’ll bed the queen of france” stuff. You’re gaining references that “even girls who are neutral will eventually love me if I just go talk to them and stick in there”.

In standing venues like nightclubs I I like to use the mental frame of when I open them, I’m not leaving. I’m staying there holding my ground until either they love me or they run away lol

Try leading girls around. Numbers are cool but numbers just get you dates and chasing them around with phone/txt game. I like the frame of “numbers are useless and will all flake so just push for the same night lay”. Push your comfort zone into trying to lead them around the venue and isolate them from their friends and escalate on them and get them to come with you even if you pull a whole group for food somewhere, it’s all good reference experiences.

Really you could just spend an entire night practicing extracting girls from the bar and then saying “oh I forgot something” and going back in and doing it again and again and again all night lol Same with leading them around, just see how many girls you can lead to an isolation spot in the bar all night long.

You’ll be surprised how much you can do and how many of them will follow you (and gain attraction) when you start to just assume success and lead without hesitation.

@Sun Wukong
“Fun guy that I’ve been getting to know. He started showing me pictures of some of the chicks he’s been out with around town in better venues last night. Told him we’ve gotta go hang some time because I’d rather have a hot 20 year old calling me asshole than a 45 year old. He laughed and agreed.

We’ll see if anything comes of it.”

Nothing will come of it. Why would anything come of it? What value do you offer him? He’s already hanging out with hot girls, he doesn’t need you lol It’s not that you can’t bring value to the table it’s that you’re waiting for HIM to make a move and set you up, to put you on stage and give you access to these girls. Unless he just REALLY likes you, why would he bother? It’s not that he’s a jerk it’s just that YOU’RE the one who gains more from hanging with him right now.

So take the initiative and MAKE something “come of it”. Ask him what the name of those venues was again and tell him you’re going to check VenueX out this Friday and ask if he’s gonna be there. That starts the ball rolling toward him going “Nah man, but Saturday I’m hitting VenueY, you should come out.” Offer him a ride (he probably doesn’t need one but the offer itself shows that you’re a value-giver). Or just fucking go to those venues, don’t even tell him, and just keep an eye for him and when you see him shake his hand and buy him a drink and build some rapport/comfort with him and try opening some girls in front of him and if you guys get along tell him it was fun and to shoot you a txt next time he’s coming out and exchange numbers etc

You’re waiting for hot girls to just come to the venues you’re hanging in. You’re waiting for a bartender to just magically invite you to venues where he hangs with hot girls. Quit waiting, start making shit happen.

It’s not that you can’t post rants or vents or anything, it’s just that you aren’t fixing the REASONS you’re ranting and venting so it’s just a waste. It’s like complaining your head hurts when you’re banging it against the wall.

Post an angry frustrated depressed rant after a night out at VenueX with a bunch of hot college girls. At least then you’re pushing things toward a goal instead of floating in limbo out there lol


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You both get the same Tyler clip but with a focus on different parts lol:

Culum start at 28:00…you don’t have to necessarily pull TROLLS but what he’s talking about with NORMALIZING leading girls around and extracting them and getting used to that process should be a goal. Oldschool cocky Tyler used to say “you should be able to get people to go for food after the bar, that’s not even pickup that’s just having basic social skills”

Sun Wukong start at 28:00 as well because the stuff about making girls you don’t manage to fuck into friends/pivots will help when you DO (because you WILL) get into this college bar scene and start building social circles in it to justify the distance you have to travel and to be able to roll with guys like that bartender and be on his level of value.

I mean, Culum why not take that neutral-to-attracted 7 and instead of letting her run off say “we’re hitting VenueX next week, going to be a big party we have like 20 people coming (who cares if it’s a lie lol just say oh people flaked oh well the important people are here, and use them as social proof and pivots), what’s your number I’ll shoot you a txt next week” and now you have a couple girls meeting up with you guys at the bar. Hell even if she was still in neutral mode, that invite carries some value and she might come out and either way her just being AROUND you gives you social proof to open and merge other girls and mixed sets. Throw a guy at them and maybe she likes him and now that guy and the girl love you and you start building social circles and pivots and shit.

And Sun keep that stuff I just said in mind for when you get into the hot college venues…probably a lot of the girls won’t bang you right off the bat, but consider just using them as preselection/social proof for the next week etc. Even if you just introduce yourself around and have some neutral-to-decent interactions, the next week you say “hey Sarah, how you been?” because people tend to go to the same venues on the same nights when they go out, now you have some people there so if your wing doesn’t want to go for “a bit of a drive”, you’ll have people you know there. And if you have to go for “a bit of a drive” it’s a LOT easier to justify in your mind when you know you’ll run into a few people you know there instead of being there alone.

I like solo cold approach but it’s the hardest method of game. When you can get out of Dallas to a better city, cool, go back to cold approach. But if you’re stuck there for another 6 months or a year+, try building a social circle in the college hottie scene.

But Sun pay extra attention to 29:50 where Tyler starts talking about how to get high-value guys to want to roll with you and how he got Mystery to take him out infield and mentor him etc because that’ll be relevant to get guys like this bartender dude to want you in his social circle. Or guys at these college venues, frat guys, whatever, even just random dudes.

What Tyler says about here is dead-on. I’m not rolling out with huge groups of 10s or anything (esp right now when I’m keeping a low profile), but like, anyone who comes out with me to a bar or invites me to join them will have a GOOD TIME. I am positive as fuck the second I walk in the door to pre-game. I’m not Stifler from American Pie, I’m not super crazy high-energy jumping around entertaining everyone and making them high-five me and shit, but I will never bring negative vibes to the night and I’ll drop stuff like “fuck, I feel bad for the other guys tonight, there aren’t going to be any girls for them when WE roll in” etc and build that positive vibe for the night, and at the bar I’ll try to get everyone into sets through the night.

Thing is, that bartender might even suck at the bar or have a shitty social circle or his chicks are all damaged, who the fuck knows. But you use him as the start to start building your own social circles in those scenes.


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You both get the same Tyler clip but with a focus on different parts lol:

Culum start at 28:00…you don’t have to necessarily pull TROLLS but what he’s talking about with NORMALIZING leading girls around and extracting them and getting used to that process should be a goal. Oldschool cocky Tyler used to say “you should be able to get people to go for food after the bar, that’s not even pickup that’s just having basic social skills”

Sun Wukong start at 28:00 as well because the stuff about making girls you don’t manage to fuck into friends/pivots will help when you DO (because you WILL) get into this college bar scene and start building social circles in it to justify the distance you have to travel and to be able to roll with guys like that bartender and be on his level of value.

I mean, Culum why not take that neutral-to-attracted 7 and instead of letting her run off say “we’re hitting VenueX next week, going to be a big party we have like 20 people coming (who cares if it’s a lie lol just say oh people flaked oh well the important people are here, and use them as social proof and pivots), what’s your number I’ll shoot you a txt next week” and now you have a couple girls meeting up with you guys at the bar. Hell even if she was still in neutral mode, that invite carries some value and she might come out and either way her just being AROUND you gives you social proof to open and merge other girls and mixed sets. Throw a guy at them and maybe she likes him and now that guy and the girl love you and you start building social circles and pivots and shit.

And Sun keep that stuff I just said in mind for when you get into the hot college venues…probably a lot of the girls won’t bang you right off the bat, but consider just using them as preselection/social proof for the next week etc. Even if you just introduce yourself around and have some neutral-to-decent interactions, the next week you say “hey Sarah, how you been?” because people tend to go to the same venues on the same nights when they go out, now you have some people there so if your wing doesn’t want to go for “a bit of a drive”, you’ll have people you know there. And if you have to go for “a bit of a drive” it’s a LOT easier to justify in your mind when you know you’ll run into a few people you know there instead of being there alone.

I like solo cold approach but it’s the hardest method of game. When you can get out of Dallas to a better city, cool, go back to cold approach. But if you’re stuck there for another 6 months or a year+, try building a social circle in the college hottie scene.

But Sun pay extra attention to 29:50 where Tyler starts talking about how to get high-value guys to want to roll with you and how he got Mystery to take him out infield and mentor him etc because that’ll be relevant to get guys like this bartender dude to want you in his social circle. Or guys at these college venues, frat guys, whatever, even just random dudes.

What Tyler says about here is dead-on. I’m not rolling out with huge groups of 10s or anything (esp right now when I’m keeping a low profile), but like, anyone who comes out with me to a bar or invites me to join them will have a GOOD TIME. I am positive as fuck the second I walk in the door to pre-game. I’m not Stifler from American Pie, I’m not super crazy high-energy jumping around entertaining everyone and making them high-five me and shit, but I will never bring negative vibes to the night and I’ll drop stuff like “fuck, I feel bad for the other guys tonight, there aren’t going to be any girls for them when WE roll in” etc and build that positive vibe for the night, and at the bar I’ll try to get everyone into sets through the night.

Thing is, that bartender might even suck at the bar or have a shitty social circle or his chicks are all damaged, who the fuck knows. But you use him as the start to start building your own social circles in those scenes.


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“Nothing got “resolved”, rather I saw the hindbrain was screaming for alpha and the calmer I was and the more resistant I was to her framing, the more she calmed down.”

Beautiful. Your Field Report just completely justified me writing that “how to handle crazy bitches” explanation that I almost didn’t write because I was like “fuck, guys might interpret this as me encouraging them to go spend time around crazy bitches and that guy might think I’m saying he should stay in his marriage to his psycho”

But this is exactly what I was trying to explain. Guys want to RESOLVE stuff, but these girls don’t WANT a resolution. They don’t want anything to be fixed, if it was fixed they would have to find NEW SHIT to be upset and shit-test you with. That’s why they bring up shit you did a year ago to get re-upset about after you thought it was settled and you apologized a thousand times, because that’s easier than finding NEW SHIT lol

But when you turn it around on her, you pull things away from you defending yourself which is way harder to do because she’s in rabid attack mode and you’re backing up, just like a lion will attack you even harder if you run away and act like prey, so turning it around on her and putting her on the defensive still gives her the emotional rollercoaster she needs, but without you risking being eaten the same way as when you were acting like prey lol

IT DOESN’T EVEN HAVE TO MAKE LOGICAL SENSE.

Like I’ll have exchanges like her saying “I saw you making out with that girl” and I can say “I’m surprised you saw anything considering you were all over that guy you were talking to, I only made out with her because I was pissed at you acting like such a slut in front of me. Everyone knows you two fucked in the bathroom” Meanwhile she wasn’t even talking to a guy or was talking to some lame nerd or something, but it doesn’t matter, now she’ll go into “omg I don’t even LIKE him he’s just a friend” and then I can blow it up more with stuff like “ya right he’s in love with you. It’s obvious you two hooked up before I don’t know why you always lie about this shit like I can’t tell he’s in love with you” and she’ll come right out of crazy attack mode and into “omg he IS in love with me I can’t help it” and now we’re making fun of him etc etc but out of the red danger zone and ideally I’ll fuck her brains out somewhere in there, but if we’re not in the same room then I’ll at least end up with her back into purring kitten mode from diffusing it all.

And all of that probably sounds like “wtf??” to someone who hasn’t dealt with these girls, but everything that happens in that exchange makes COMPLETE SENSE when you understand the subcomms of what’s going on instead of looking at the surface conversation.

But 99% of guys will get caught up in “I wasn’t making out with her!” or “I’m sorry babe I was really drunk it was an accident” and getting eaten lol

Avoid the crazy bitches, but for the sake of the knowledge-base, they aren’t impossible to understand/predict/tame. They’re just a very extreme version of the same dynamics normal girls are running on.


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@scribblerg
“Nothing got “resolved”, rather I saw the hindbrain was screaming for alpha and the calmer I was and the more resistant I was to her framing, the more she calmed down.”

Beautiful. Your Field Report just completely justified me writing that “how to handle crazy bitches” explanation that I almost didn’t write because I was like “fuck, guys might interpret this as me encouraging them to go spend time around crazy bitches and that guy might think I’m saying he should stay in his marriage to his psycho”

But this is exactly what I was trying to explain. Guys want to RESOLVE stuff, but these girls don’t WANT a resolution. They don’t want anything to be fixed, if it was fixed they would have to find NEW SHIT to be upset and shit-test you with. That’s why they bring up shit you did a year ago to get re-upset about after you thought it was settled and you apologized a thousand times, because that’s easier than finding NEW SHIT lol

But when you turn it around on her, you pull things away from you defending yourself which is way harder to do because she’s in rabid attack mode and you’re backing up, just like a lion will attack you even harder if you run away and act like prey, so turning it around on her and putting her on the defensive still gives her the emotional rollercoaster she needs, but without you risking being eaten the same way as when you were acting like prey lol

IT DOESN’T EVEN HAVE TO MAKE LOGICAL SENSE.

Like I’ll have exchanges like her saying “I saw you making out with that girl” and I can say “I’m surprised you saw anything considering you were all over that guy you were talking to, I only made out with her because I was pissed at you acting like such a slut in front of me. Everyone knows you two fucked in the bathroom” Meanwhile she wasn’t even talking to a guy or was talking to some lame nerd or something, but it doesn’t matter, now she’ll go into “omg I don’t even LIKE him he’s just a friend” and then I can blow it up more with stuff like “ya right he’s in love with you. It’s obvious you two hooked up before I don’t know why you always lie about this shit like I can’t tell he’s in love with you” and she’ll come right out of crazy attack mode and into “omg he IS in love with me I can’t help it” and now we’re making fun of him etc etc but out of the red danger zone and ideally I’ll fuck her brains out somewhere in there, but if we’re not in the same room then I’ll at least end up with her back into purring kitten mode from diffusing it all.

And all of that probably sounds like “wtf??” to someone who hasn’t dealt with these girls, but everything that happens in that exchange makes COMPLETE SENSE when you understand the subcomms of what’s going on instead of looking at the surface conversation.

But 99% of guys will get caught up in “I wasn’t making out with her!” or “I’m sorry babe I was really drunk it was an accident” and getting eaten lol

Avoid the crazy bitches, but for the sake of the knowledge-base, they aren’t impossible to understand/predict/tame. They’re just a very extreme version of the same dynamics normal girls are running on.


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@Culum
“Submissive sexual texting girl flaked out – I gave her like one more task to do after your advice a couple weeks ago, which she ignored, then I tried texting one more time: no reply. Oh well..iflaking’s the name of the game with online girls..”

This is why I say go for the pulls and face to face progress like leading them around the room and into isolation and out the door and to food etc. cause even when you do get numbers, in 2016 a ton of them will flake and then you’ll be like “fuck this is frustrating!!” Like your submissive chick was probably good to go but she also probably has 2000 other offers on the table and may have moved on.

The online/text/instagram/etc thirst is real:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/43u591/fr_pretend_to_be_a_girl_men_buy_you_stuff/

@Rollo
Check out the RVF, whole bunch of shitshow going on as they try to take on SJWs around the world. It’s funny how they keep being blindsided…”wait, you mean there’s going to be opposition to this like the other dozen times?? I can’t believe they aren’t giving us a fair shake in the media! How can they misinterpret that legalize rape satire article I thought for SURE this time they would accurately represent us!!” lol

I think the worst part is all the guys doing ACTUAL pickup in those cities will have a rough time because they’ll get lumped in with these LARP’ers who are determined to advertise to the world and help spark up hate-mobs over their gay tribal meetings where they’re going to sit around in their custom-fitted suits talking about how they hate trannies and tattoos on girls instead of actually talking to girls and getting laid. A bunch of Aurinis and Foleys in a bar talking about how women are degenerates lol that’s what’s worth sparking hate-mobs for all the rest of us to have to deal with the fallout. It would be funny if it wasn’t depressing lol At least Julien was an ACTUAL threat, these guys are basically a neomasculine circle-jerk of making excuses for why they don’t approach or “didn’t want to get those girls anyway” or took home a fatty lizard for laughs (aka the hot girls didn’t want anything to do with them) lol

But hey, I’ll keep an eye out for a bunch of sausage in suits…it would be hilarious to run into them at the bars. I would even wing them for the fun of it ’cause I know they hate PUAs lol

@HABD
“i’m right there with you…lol…i just keep getting sucked back in…it’s part of my spergitude…lol…”

fuck me too, I love this stuff too much lol ok work time for real. Have fun gentlemen.


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@Culum
“Submissive sexual texting girl flaked out – I gave her like one more task to do after your advice a couple weeks ago, which she ignored, then I tried texting one more time: no reply. Oh well..iflaking’s the name of the game with online girls..”

This is why I say go for the pulls and face to face progress like leading them around the room and into isolation and out the door and to food etc. cause even when you do get numbers, in 2016 a ton of them will flake and then you’ll be like “fuck this is frustrating!!” Like your submissive chick was probably good to go but she also probably has 2000 other offers on the table and may have moved on.

The online/text/instagram/etc thirst is real:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/43u591/fr_pretend_to_be_a_girl_men_buy_you_stuff/

@Rollo
Check out the RVF, whole bunch of shitshow going on as they try to take on SJWs around the world. It’s funny how they keep being blindsided…”wait, you mean there’s going to be opposition to this like the other dozen times?? I can’t believe they aren’t giving us a fair shake in the media! How can they misinterpret that legalize rape satire article I thought for SURE this time they would accurately represent us!!” lol

I think the worst part is all the guys doing ACTUAL pickup in those cities will have a rough time because they’ll get lumped in with these LARP’ers who are determined to advertise to the world and help spark up hate-mobs over their gay tribal meetings where they’re going to sit around in their custom-fitted suits talking about how they hate trannies and tattoos on girls instead of actually talking to girls and getting laid. A bunch of Aurinis and Foleys in a bar talking about how women are degenerates lol that’s what’s worth sparking hate-mobs for all the rest of us to have to deal with the fallout. It would be funny if it wasn’t depressing lol At least Julien was an ACTUAL threat, these guys are basically a neomasculine circle-jerk of making excuses for why they don’t approach or “didn’t want to get those girls anyway” or took home a fatty lizard for laughs (aka the hot girls didn’t want anything to do with them) lol

But hey, I’ll keep an eye out for a bunch of sausage in suits…it would be hilarious to run into them at the bars. I would even wing them for the fun of it ’cause I know they hate PUAs lol

@HABD
“i’m right there with you…lol…i just keep getting sucked back in…it’s part of my spergitude…lol…”

fuck me too, I love this stuff too much lol ok work time for real. Have fun gentlemen.


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@Rollo
lol red pill waifu shoe0nhead taking down neomasculinity with shitposting:

Her tooling these guys is actually a good lesson in frame/AMOG battles and how retarded over-reacting and trying to play the James Bond “take myself way too seriously” RVF thing looks ESPECIALLY when the other person is fucking with you. A girl on the internet posting misspelled tweets and “bideos” of her bunny (zero fucks given and unreactive to anything they throw at her) runs circles around these “red pill masters” lol

This is what happens when you circle-jerk on a forum posting Braveheart gifs and labelling your “get drunk and hit on girls” meetings as “tribal gatherings” instead of interacting with real life human beings and realizing how awkward this LARPing shit comes off to anyone who isn’t making videos with a skull strategically placed in the background lol

At the end of the day game and pickup and all this shit is supposed to be FUN. Never take yourself so seriously that you forget that.

If you haven’t seen her stuff, check it out she’s awesome <3:


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@Rollo
lol red pill waifu shoe0nhead taking down neomasculinity with shitposting:

Her tooling these guys is actually a good lesson in frame/AMOG battles and how retarded over-reacting and trying to play the James Bond “take myself way too seriously” RVF thing looks ESPECIALLY when the other person is fucking with you. A girl on the internet posting misspelled tweets and “bideos” of her bunny (zero fucks given and unreactive to anything they throw at her) runs circles around these “red pill masters” lol

This is what happens when you circle-jerk on a forum posting Braveheart gifs and labelling your “get drunk and hit on girls” meetings as “tribal gatherings” instead of interacting with real life human beings and realizing how awkward this LARPing shit comes off to anyone who isn’t making videos with a skull strategically placed in the background lol

At the end of the day game and pickup and all this shit is supposed to be FUN. Never take yourself so seriously that you forget that.

If you haven’t seen her stuff, check it out she’s awesome <3:


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Shit all those shoe0nhead exchanges fucked up with WordPress auto-posting. Throw twitter dot com in front of these, the whole exchanges are necessary to appreciate them and how these guys keep throwing gayness at her as she stunts on their faces lol:

/shoe0nhead/status/637892803050270721
/shoe0nhead/status/685612224417759232
/Aurini/status/637928909044973569


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Shit all those shoe0nhead exchanges fucked up with WordPress auto-posting. Throw twitter dot com in front of these, the whole exchanges are necessary to appreciate them and how these guys keep throwing gayness at her as she stunts on their faces lol:

/shoe0nhead/status/637892803050270721
/shoe0nhead/status/685612224417759232
/Aurini/status/637928909044973569


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@scribblerg
Props on the approach but just a heads-up that you’ve been revealing an awful lot about yourself. I don’t want to recap it all but like, if you make enemies it’s not going to be real hard for them to narrow you down. There’s no need to post all these details about who the celeb is and where they are and why and you’ve shared a lot about the places you hang out and hobbies you do in public etc. Like, man, I hope you don’t have business/family/etc that relies on you not being lumped in with Roosh Julien etc.

@SJF
Same with you, is that your fucking personal photobucket account?? With your name and shit?? Are you insane?? Why are you guys sharing so much personal information about yourselves?? Do that shit in private if you want to be BFFs with people here. Unbelievable.

@Softek
holy shit, I haven’t been following your situ at all but this is a video of you:

You are not at all prepared to handle the situation you’re in and come out not fucked.

“Not right now, but within the next 5-8 years or whenever.”

Ya, whenever she senses you’re going to bail on her. Then whoops, preggers accident.

“Judging by how frequently we’re having sex, and how good it is, and how she’s extremely pleasant to me the majority of the time, submissive, etc. — very feminine. It’s a nice relationship.”

Ya, it’s fucking SUPER, because she doesn’t have any way to force you to stay and knows that you could, theoretically, bail if she fucks up. The second she knows you can’t leave her, you are fucked. She is lightyears ahead of you at this chess game and you are playing checkers. Everything you’re thinking and feeling is exactly what she consciously or subconsciously wants you to think and feel.

“Even if I might be dealing with a cluster B situation”

You are. And she’s had a LOT more years being crazy than you’ve had taming crazy.

You’re not going to bail on her because scarcity, but buy and store your own condoms safely and check them for holes periodically, be careful how/where you blow your load and for the love of god don’t trust her when she says she’s on the pill or “it’s okay the doctor says I have a tilted uterus and can’t get pregnant” etc. Read up on the morning after pill (hint: don’t wait till the morning after to take it, the sooner the better) and where/how to get it nearby for accidents and make the emergency trip there and watch her take that shit.

@Rollo @The Question
I’m 50/50 that Roosh will even attend any of the meetups himself lol Or travel anywhere any of his crew says he’s travelling to etc. There’s no real benefit to him, he gets the publicity either way. Hell, the whole thing could’ve started as just a troll-job on his part…but his followers don’t seem to be real bright and I can see them meeting up without clueing in that they’re exposing themselves for nothing but his benefit as an aging PUA who has no other real skillset to fund the rest of his life on.

Tyler put up another new video showing the faces of his students (in full cult worship mode too lol) and I totally don’t approve of that shit.

Can’t wait to see Elam’s public show of support for Roosh’s rape-advocate crews now that they’re BFFs.

“Call me crazy, but it seems almost like Roosh is trying to force a confrontation of some sorts and create a crisis or conflict.”

This. Heavy use of “if the economy collapses or there’s race wars etc” type lingo in his descriptions of these things for his “end of western society” conspiracy nut crew to feast on…would be a huge ammo boost for their paranoia if some kind of conflict started up from Roosh goading it.

If you want to have a meetup for the betterment of men, cool, coordinate that in private. But there’s zero benefit to publically advertising this thing, unless you’re Roosh and trying to become an e-celeb off notoriety.

@digireaper

Skip to 1:45 in this vid:

@Forge
“The window can be literally a fraction of a second.”

Have a default opener that works anywhere and you can just pull out at any time if you see that window and can’t think of anything. Even if it’s just “Hi, I’m Forge” Sometimes having too MANY options as an opener can freeze you up just as bad as not having any opener and that window is gone.

“Like it needs to be a reflex”

Yup. The cure is go out more and open immediately when you see a girl you want. Say you’re learning boxing and you get into a street fighter after your first year of it and you swing a fist or two but then revert to instinctive covering up and closing your eyes and get the shit beat out of you. You’d go to a boxing forum and ask “is this something that comes with practice or what?? I can throw a punch in the sparring ring but when I got jumped, man I just panicked” Same advice would apply, practice fighting more and even getting friends to jump/surprise you. Do it enough and it’ll become a reflex.

A lot of guys get really good at night game and then can’t approach in the daytime because it’s not their comfort zone. I used to do daygame but I would need a few months to adjust to doing daygame again because I’ve been focusing on nightgame so much. Just neuroplasticity and all that, no big deal. Trust the process and push your comfort zone…follow the 3 second rule and have something prepared. Open with stupid shit and try to recover so your brain doesn’t think you need the “perfect” open to approach, etc etc


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@scribblerg
Props on the approach but just a heads-up that you’ve been revealing an awful lot about yourself. I don’t want to recap it all but like, if you make enemies it’s not going to be real hard for them to narrow you down. There’s no need to post all these details about who the celeb is and where they are and why and you’ve shared a lot about the places you hang out and hobbies you do in public etc. Like, man, I hope you don’t have business/family/etc that relies on you not being lumped in with Roosh Julien etc.

@SJF
Same with you, is that your fucking personal photobucket account?? With your name and shit?? Are you insane?? Why are you guys sharing so much personal information about yourselves?? Do that shit in private if you want to be BFFs with people here. Unbelievable.

@Softek
holy shit, I haven’t been following your situ at all but this is a video of you:

You are not at all prepared to handle the situation you’re in and come out not fucked.

“Not right now, but within the next 5-8 years or whenever.”

Ya, whenever she senses you’re going to bail on her. Then whoops, preggers accident.

“Judging by how frequently we’re having sex, and how good it is, and how she’s extremely pleasant to me the majority of the time, submissive, etc. — very feminine. It’s a nice relationship.”

Ya, it’s fucking SUPER, because she doesn’t have any way to force you to stay and knows that you could, theoretically, bail if she fucks up. The second she knows you can’t leave her, you are fucked. She is lightyears ahead of you at this chess game and you are playing checkers. Everything you’re thinking and feeling is exactly what she consciously or subconsciously wants you to think and feel.

“Even if I might be dealing with a cluster B situation”

You are. And she’s had a LOT more years being crazy than you’ve had taming crazy.

You’re not going to bail on her because scarcity, but buy and store your own condoms safely and check them for holes periodically, be careful how/where you blow your load and for the love of god don’t trust her when she says she’s on the pill or “it’s okay the doctor says I have a tilted uterus and can’t get pregnant” etc. Read up on the morning after pill (hint: don’t wait till the morning after to take it, the sooner the better) and where/how to get it nearby for accidents and make the emergency trip there and watch her take that shit.

@Rollo @The Question
I’m 50/50 that Roosh will even attend any of the meetups himself lol Or travel anywhere any of his crew says he’s travelling to etc. There’s no real benefit to him, he gets the publicity either way. Hell, the whole thing could’ve started as just a troll-job on his part…but his followers don’t seem to be real bright and I can see them meeting up without clueing in that they’re exposing themselves for nothing but his benefit as an aging PUA who has no other real skillset to fund the rest of his life on.

Tyler put up another new video showing the faces of his students (in full cult worship mode too lol) and I totally don’t approve of that shit.

Can’t wait to see Elam’s public show of support for Roosh’s rape-advocate crews now that they’re BFFs.

“Call me crazy, but it seems almost like Roosh is trying to force a confrontation of some sorts and create a crisis or conflict.”

This. Heavy use of “if the economy collapses or there’s race wars etc” type lingo in his descriptions of these things for his “end of western society” conspiracy nut crew to feast on…would be a huge ammo boost for their paranoia if some kind of conflict started up from Roosh goading it.

If you want to have a meetup for the betterment of men, cool, coordinate that in private. But there’s zero benefit to publically advertising this thing, unless you’re Roosh and trying to become an e-celeb off notoriety.

@digireaper

Skip to 1:45 in this vid:

@Forge
“The window can be literally a fraction of a second.”

Have a default opener that works anywhere and you can just pull out at any time if you see that window and can’t think of anything. Even if it’s just “Hi, I’m Forge” Sometimes having too MANY options as an opener can freeze you up just as bad as not having any opener and that window is gone.

“Like it needs to be a reflex”

Yup. The cure is go out more and open immediately when you see a girl you want. Say you’re learning boxing and you get into a street fighter after your first year of it and you swing a fist or two but then revert to instinctive covering up and closing your eyes and get the shit beat out of you. You’d go to a boxing forum and ask “is this something that comes with practice or what?? I can throw a punch in the sparring ring but when I got jumped, man I just panicked” Same advice would apply, practice fighting more and even getting friends to jump/surprise you. Do it enough and it’ll become a reflex.

A lot of guys get really good at night game and then can’t approach in the daytime because it’s not their comfort zone. I used to do daygame but I would need a few months to adjust to doing daygame again because I’ve been focusing on nightgame so much. Just neuroplasticity and all that, no big deal. Trust the process and push your comfort zone…follow the 3 second rule and have something prepared. Open with stupid shit and try to recover so your brain doesn’t think you need the “perfect” open to approach, etc etc


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@Rollo
And of course lol:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53190-post-1209668.html#pid1209668

I’d like to think it’s just him being so reactive that he has to go after a girl making fun of him on the internet, but shoe0nhead has shitloads more followers than him so it’s pretty standard “punch up for exposure” e-celeb growth tactics. And she always wins these exchanges with the manly neomasculine James Bond LARPers so I hope she engages lol

It’s amazing to me that anyone could see this stuff and go “I want to join that movement!” though. But I can’t deny that I’ll be on the edge of my seat waiting to see what happens Saturday night lol


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And of course lol:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53190-post-1209668.html#pid1209668

I’d like to think it’s just him being so reactive that he has to go after a girl making fun of him on the internet, but shoe0nhead has shitloads more followers than him so it’s pretty standard “punch up for exposure” e-celeb growth tactics. And she always wins these exchanges with the manly neomasculine James Bond LARPers so I hope she engages lol

It’s amazing to me that anyone could see this stuff and go “I want to join that movement!” though. But I can’t deny that I’ll be on the edge of my seat waiting to see what happens Saturday night lol


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@Dutchman @HABD
“then, at bed time, you will conveniently ‘forget’ that you were going to sex her up…she will shit test you on this…just tell her you are tired and going to sleep (no physical approach to her at all…not even a kiss) then, just let her hamster spin…”

This reminds me of the late great Patrice O’Neal’s advice when your wife won’t put out (44:21):

This is some advanced shit lol I haven’t tried this but what he’s saying DOES make sense in terms of chick psychology. Something to consider lol

Highly recommend listening to Patrice’s YouTube stuff about women and relationships etc. Dude is red pill through and through, tons of wisdom in his advice.


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@Dutchman @HABD
“then, at bed time, you will conveniently ‘forget’ that you were going to sex her up…she will shit test you on this…just tell her you are tired and going to sleep (no physical approach to her at all…not even a kiss) then, just let her hamster spin…”

This reminds me of the late great Patrice O’Neal’s advice when your wife won’t put out (44:21):

This is some advanced shit lol I haven’t tried this but what he’s saying DOES make sense in terms of chick psychology. Something to consider lol

Highly recommend listening to Patrice’s YouTube stuff about women and relationships etc. Dude is red pill through and through, tons of wisdom in his advice.


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“So is that what it boils down to? Thinking about women as if they are children or dumb dogs and accepting it?”

Watch the clip all the way through if you’re still holding onto Blue Pill beliefs. Everything the girls are doing in this clip makes perfect sense when you understand women, that’s why Julien’s turned it into a routine he can explain to a crowd…because it’s that predictable when you understand chick brains and have fully swallowed the Red Pill.

These same girls will be at the office on Monday and the guy in the cubicle beside them with a crush on them will be txting his buddy “dude I talked to Janice for 10 whole minutes at lunch!! She told me she doesn’t like bars and just stayed in to read by the fireplace this weekend. I think she might let me take her out on a date sometime, do you think this fancy restaraunt is good enough?? I better hit the gym first and wear my finest fitted suit…I hope she likes my expensive condo and lets me have sex with her.”

Because a lot of guys (like Elam) will look at these girls and go “ok well he just found some DUMB DRUNK BAR SLUT WHORE RETARDS”, so they can hold onto their world view that the girls THEY’RE attracted to would NEVER act like this given this kind of stimulus from a guy with this kind of attitude. Madonna/whore complex and all.

This is also why I ignore self-surveys and shit…would any girl EVER admit they would act like this? And be attracted to a guy who treats them and the people around them like this? Of course not. There will NEVER be like, Harvard data coming out of ivory towers by nerds who don’t go out, showing these kinds of things. But pushing the boundaries in the field reveals everything about human psychology.

Also for the “looks matter” crowd note that Julien’s buddies are jacked compared to him and enter his conversations, but Julien’s the one making an EMOTIONAL IMPACT (an INCREDIBLY “negative” one in this case (and note how he gets just as much attraction as with a positive “you’re adorable, I had to come say hi” impact)) so the girls focus on him instead of ignoring him to ask the better looking guy’s questions etc (which is what a lot of TRP guys think is supposed to happen, they’re supposed to ignore the skinny manboob Julien to jump on Chad Thundercock’s jacked body). It would be hard for a lot of guys to look at Julien standing beside his buffer friends and explain why Julien is “higher value” to the girls…and if he was just STANDING there doing NOTHING beside them, or the girls saw photos of them, they would probably choose the jacked dudes. But once you take action it comes down to emotional impact…like I say that’s why girls love horror movies and every romcom has sad scenes that make them cry etc Girls want to experience the full range/rollercoaster of emotions. Go out this weekend and focus on learning to give them that, don’t worry about your 6-pack lol

Also tons of devalidation and self-amusement concepts in action, and putting girls in competition with eachother, creating conspiracy theories etc. All of this shit is EMOTIONAL IMPACT. Compare that to the dialtone emotions most guys are feeding girls in an interaction…”so uhhh, where are you from? cool that’s cool…do uhhh do you like it here? That’s cool ya me too…so umm–” zzzzzz…

Is this “SOLID” game? I mean, technically he has enough interest to bang these girls if he wants to lol but this is why Julien’s products (pre-worldwide-controversy especially) are so prime, because he’s out there pushing the boundaries harder than anyone else just to see what happens and to understand these little dynamics. NO ONE would think this would work if you just described it to them, or if they did they would be too chicken-shit or in scarcity to actually field-test it multiple times like this lol

That all said, as of yesterday RSD Jeffy has joined Julien in being banned from Australia lol Just for being assosciated with Julien pretty much.

And they’re banned because no one will actually look at their products or their teaching, they’ll just go by the soundbytes and the most controversial footage (that clip above where the girls are LOVING the interaction will be described as him berating girls and insulting them and manipulating them with his evil male privilege powers etc etc). Which is exactly what the RVF forum is doing right now as they cheer on the banning and rant about how RSD is just a scam and doesn’t teach men to better their lives and ruins men etc etc all shit that’s provably false and said by emotional retards running on assumptions or outdated snippets of information (aka not doing their homework)…which is why I jumped in with the MGTOW thing in that other thread, because I’d hate to see the TRM comment section follow the same path where we just shout rage based on possibly inaccurate assumptions instead of listening to the other side and seeing what’s really up. Just as I’d hate to see that with the MRAs, MGTOWs, TRP, etc. Us PUAs are used to people hating on us and just kind of do our own thing, but like the groups SHOULD all be working together, we have a lot more in common than the individual groups seem to realize.

Australia seems to be a lost cause sucked into the tentacles of feminism and outrage culture in general with all their banning. RSD is handling this the same way as before, just say nothing and let the (extremely minor in comparison to the Julien one) controversy pass, like Julien explains here (this vid explains RSD’s handling of the Julien controversy, all a strategic strategy):

Looking forward to Roosh trying to hold a neomasculinity seminar in Australia to show how to handle feminists, I’m certain that will go well lol

Again would any girl on a self-survey indicate that THIS is the ride she wants to get fucked in? Of course not. Harvard data will never ever ever show you that this shit happens, let alone that it’s something you can consistently figure out how to trigger. (search for Jeffy infield footage to see girls getting banged in the van if you’re skeptical lol)

And it’s still a few days before the weekend but these videos are long so there’s plenty of time to give them a watch, here’s a bunch of infield footage compiled together in high-res to motivate guys to go out this weekend and have some fun with girls:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2zn8Od5EmzHfDx86FBs30g/videos

A lot of this is WAYYYYYY higher energy than you need to be, like I wouldn’t do half of this stuff ’cause it’s too goofy for me, but the point to focus on is how whether they’re being low energy or high energy (there’s a mix of footage in there, Todd is the lowest energy, Julien is the highest), the consistent principles are stuff like self-amusement and understanding how/when to escalate, isolating the girl, pro-actively dealing with obstacles/logistics, holding your frame through shit-tests, leading the interaction, etc.

Also here’s Jeffy’s ride for anyone concerned their car isn’t nice enough to get women lol (“BUT I SAW TEH GOLDDIGGER VIDEO WHERE TEH GIRL ONLY LIKES HIM ONCE SHE KNOWS HE HAS A FERRARI”):

Emotional impact, good or bad (ideally a mix of both). “The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference” and all that.


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Holy shit a Like button lol I can’t even process this…DELICIOUS VALIDATION!!!


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But now how will I determine my self-worth??


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So far not a fan of what I think will end up happening: now instead of just skipping to the last few comments to see what’s been posted, if a comment section is like 8 pages long that means scrolling through every comment for 8 pages to see if there’s a new comment attached to it. I think people will miss entire conversations they didn’t realize were happening on page 4 while they’re having one on page 6 before they also jump to page 8 to see what new comments are there only to see someone say “check what I wrote in reply back on page 2 just now”

That’s my guess at how this’ll play out lol CH’s nested comments work because there’s no multiple pages to them and a lot of them are just little one-off drive-by comments VS the multiple paragraph discussions people leave here. Plus his blog width is wider so there’s less vertical scrolling. And a line down the left side so when you’re reading a comment you can see where it’s responding to easily by following the line up. And each new thread is a different shade that also helps link things together.


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“These same girls will be at the office on Monday and the guy in the cubicle beside them with a crush on them will be txting his buddy “dude I talked to Janice for 10 whole minutes at lunch!! She told me she doesn’t like bars and just stayed in to read by the fireplace this weekend. I think she might let me take her out on a date sometime, do you think this fancy restaraunt is good enough?? I better hit the gym first and wear my finest fitted suit…I hope she likes my expensive condo and lets me have sex with her.”

LOL, yep, God I wish I could video some of my girls on my promos like this.”

Tyler explaining this kind of thing in detail for the guys still trying to swallow the hard reality of seeing this kind of stuff:

It was always around us, guys in the “secret society” knew about it, it’s just that we didn’t have it on video to shove in guys’ faces before lol The field will shove reality in your face until you accept it and adapt.


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“That said you need to have *some* value and attraction to them to be able to say stuff like that without coming across as insulting – it depends on the frame and subcomms with which you say it.”

Right. Julien raises his value/attraction with standard PUA DHV stuff (that doesn’t involve “be jacked and rich”) but the main key to note is watch Julien and look at his subcomms…he’s not being “malicious”, he’s self-amusing with zero outcome dependence. Everything is said with an air of joking around and even when he gets serious at points like when he does his “look at you…you REALLY think you could get ME?” stuff where he goes super serious, he puts that pressure on her, then relieves it, with excellent calibration. He’s doing the equivalent of a horror movie making you terrified then giving you a happy ending.

This is why guys fuck up in LTRs…they believe giving a girl bad emotions is “wrong” and they should only give her good emotions. But that completely ignores pure COMMON SENSE OBSERVATION that girls LOVE bad emotions…they don’t necessarily want ONLY bad emotions, but they want a mix of them. It’s GOOD to make your girl cry now and then, and yet if I posted that in a mainstream forum people would call me a monster because of how deep the social conditioning runs.

Here’s Julien from PIMP explaining the concept more in-depth:

Notice how in both infield footages he’s giving them a rollercoaster of emotions, good and bad and ending on a good note (just like how a horror movie or romcom with sad or scary parts ends on a happy ending). The first infield footage he’s acting a lot more serious about telling the girl to fuck off and look how hard she chases when he does it (in the compilations I linked in my last post you can see more of this interaction, he makes the chick get on her knees in the club and beg him for his number (and then when she finally does it he says something like “you’re disgusting, I can’t believe you did that, if you DIDN’T do it I would’ve wanted you but I can’t believe you would do that I’m so unattracted now” AGAIN sending her on a rollercoaster)

…but then notice that he switches gears suddenly into “tell me I look like a greek god” and he’s back to being playful, giving her the relief of good emotions after the dramatic scene he was playing out.

And with the second infield footage he’s almost flat out cruel to this older chick, literally calling her old and just letting the silence hang. And again notice that once she’s qualifying herself enough he just cuts her off and rewards her with good emotions and look at her smile she’s happy as a kitten that’s caught the string.

Again this is stuff that no one would go “this will TOTALLY work” and no self-survey would EVER admit would work and every chick would say “oh maybe some low self-esteem bar slut skank whores would fall for that but my friends I would tell him to fuck off”, and most guys would never experiment with, but Julien pushes the boundaries which is why his products are the ones I recommend for gaming in this huge validation culture where chicks have too many options to bother chasing and flake all the time…these girls have to EARN Julien. Even though he’s just some skinny man-boob’ed schlub in a hoodie and there are way better looking guys around, Julien knows how to make girls chase his validation because he understands attraction and chick-brains.

This stuff works even better on the hotter girls because everyone walks on eggshells around them, everyone is terrified to give a really hot girl “bad emotions”…not just guys, even girls will often walk on eggshells around them. Imagine what that kind of reality is like, where you can tell everyone is being fake around you and holding back what they really think and no one will tell you the truth about yourself or how they feel or your behavior etc.

Then some asshole like Julien comes along, gets up in your face, and makes you feel shit that no one else has ever made you feel except maybe your dad or you’ve seen it in a movie or some badboy you had a fling with or some shit. And on top of it he’s calibrated and leads things forward…why WOULDN’T you fuck him and become obsessed with him? He’s giving you the thing other guys won’t: the rollercoaster of emotional impact that you pay MONEY to experience when you go to the theater.


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“I had no idea what an ego buffer the soft-sugardaddy stuff was for me, whew.”

That’s the first thing I try to shit on with older dudes. They think they’ve found the secret, just gotta be a sugardaddy to these girls, and it works enough and fits into their already established world view that they solidify it as “this is how you have to game as an old man, this is old man game”…but it’s not because it’s how attraction works, it’s because they picked the path of least resistance and didn’t want to go through the pain period to experiment with other approaches that actually reveal how attraction works. Again it comes down to “guys getting laid VS guys rewiring themselves properly internally”.

Great vid from Julien on being the badass older man CEO if you haven’t seen this one yet, might give you some ideas on frame etc especially his infield experiments at 4 minutes in:

Again he goes out and experiments with it. But most guys won’t, they live in scarcity and when they get a hot girl talking to them they don’t want to risk fucking it up so they won’t push their comfort zones and try stuff that a guy like Julien will do. His story in this clip of experimenting with “badass old fat CEO” frame is what guys should be doing just to see what happens. That’s why we push guys to go out infield regularly, because when you have a lot of options to practice out there you can fuck around and risk losing girls here and there for the sake of building a stronger inner frame…Julien even describes losing girls in his experiment.

“Now I’m face to face with how I don’t see myself as the prize for young hotties and it’s actually funny now.”

The field will shove it in your face till you fix it lol It’s like I say, like you’ve lived a badass life in general, lots of manly shit and all, and if you just LARP’ed in comment sections you could be a super badass like half of the RVF…but at the end of the day none of it matters infield, all that matters is how internally confident you are and how does that reflect in your subcomms? These silly little girls can take a guy who’s climbed mount everest and killed people in a war and reduce him to a self-doubting mess that scurries away with his tail between his legs…that’s why I focus so much on building guys up properly with strong internals instead of just “get ’em laid as fast as possible”, because long-term it’s going to be better for them, especially as they get older. I haven’t done anything manly with my life in comparison to half you guys, but if I get old, fat, disfigured, lose my money, go bald, etc none of it is going to really affect my confidence because it’s internally based.

“I’ve had a few sets where I’ve been doing well, but the second it gets weird and i need to recalibrate or get pushback, I fold. 3 times in a row the other night. But now I can at least see it.”

That’s the first step (well, second technically): Conscious Incompetence. You know you’re fucking up. That alone puts you light years ahead of most guys who will spend their entire life in Unconscious Incompetence. Slow & steady, fix it piece by piece and do your Field Reports and analyses to narrow down sticking points. If you’re watching PIMP now, give SHIFT a look afterward, SHIFT has a lot of good inner game stuff that might help. For an older guy inner game is probably more important than external game because girls don’t expect a lot of inner game from a 21yo guy…that’s WHY they hit on guys a decade older than them like myself, ’cause they EXPECT a guy like me to have a solid internal frame, and they’ll expect that frame to be even MORE solid when I’m 50. Gene Simmons was (till the FI gutted him and he sold out to it lol) a good example of solid older man internals, tho I don’t personally relate to his vibe (I’m a lot more light-hearted).


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“Easy to get the wrong impression that you have to be a club owner or CEO to get laid when you are older from that vid”

Only if you stop listening after the Dre story and miss the part where he experiments with the frame itself😉 His point is that it’s the FRAME that matters. The owner of the club has the right frame because he knows he’s got value there, whereas you might walk into the same exact club but the bouncer was a dick to you and you’re there without a friend and you’re way older than everyone else and you couldn’t get your hair just right tonight etc so you don’t feel as high-value as the owner does. This is why we try to get guys to learn to base their value internally, so that when you walk into that club, against ALL LOGICAL SOCIETAL VALUE SYSTEM STANDARDS THAT YOU DON’T MEET, you feel as confident and entitled as the owner of the club (on some nights where I’m doing short-set method (bouncing from group to group with short interactions), girls ask me flat out if I own the club or am a manager or something lol).

Now the guy who climbs a mountain and fights in a war might have amazing situational confidence in those situations, but throw him in that guy’s nightclub and that confidence isn’t likely to carry over (despite what the keyboard jockeys say). And that nightclub owner would shit a brick in those other situations. But that nightclub owner picked a lifestyle that helps him build the confidence and entitlement, along with a system (using his bouncer to fish for girls), to get top shelf pussy. That’s great, but you don’t HAVE to do that. HE doesn’t even HAVE to do that, he could probably cold approach girls in his club and do just fine, or take them home instead of for a tour of the club and bang them, but he’s lazy and has found a consistent easy method of having his bouncer bring him girls and taking them into his office. All those are though is “social proof” and “isolating”. If you can demonstrate social proof a different way and isolate a different way and you have that guy’s confidence/entitlement, you’ll get the same results. That’s where thinking outside the box comes in and you look at “okay well how can I get social proof like that, and where can I isolate to bang a girl in this bar while she’s still in state?”

“Younger women expect more social status/value from an older man so if you go all court jester, it backfires. Already happened to me, and went against my instincts.”

It’s more about where you’re coming from. You don’t have to be the stoic aloof one-word response serious-face old man…Russell Brand isn’t going to be that lol It’s more about “are you being a court jester (trying to say/do things to impress her or keep her attention (which subcomms that you feel you’re not enough as-is and think she’ll walk away if you stop entertaining her, and she picks up on that and follows your lead because what you feel she feels)) or are you self-amusing (saying/doing those things to make yourself laugh)?”

Most guys who feel lower value than the woman (ie – most older men hitting on younger chicks) go court jester mode because they feel they’re at a deficit and they have to try to “convince” her to stick around. Listen to what Julien’s experiment was like, is he asking the girls to stick around or trying to entertain him? No he’s even doing the OPPOSITE, he’s disqualifying them with shit like “Too young. You can go now.” or “Too indecisive, I don’t hang out with indecisive people.” etc. That’s coming from a frame of “I have way more value than this silly little girl, she’s LUCKY if I ALLOW her to hang out around me, and she’s not even GOOD ENOUGH to GET to be around me”. It’s not specifically his words, it’s his overall frame.

Nightclub owner has the same frame, where these are just silly little girls to him and his value, as the owner of the club, is lightyears beyond theirs. It’s not that you have to own a nightclub, it’s that you have to learn what your ACTUAL value is, by the value system that girls are ACTUALLY attracted to, not society’s blue pill value system of looks and money. Society has spent your entire life trying to convince you you have no value because then you’ll marry a fat 4 who doesn’t put out and you’ll work a shitty job you hate and you’ll buy a bunch of consumer products trying to fix yourself and fit into that value system, because if you realized that just AS A MAN you have inherent value way beyond some silly little girl, society would crumble lol It’s very important that you never view yourself the way the nightclub owner does without owning a nightclub, because if you own a nightclub you’re at least contributing to society.

But if you were just some fucking jobless bum and still viewed yourself as entitled to bang the hottest girls and that mentality spread, it would be chaos for society. We have an unwritten societal rule: you have to earn things and sacrifice yourself for other people’s interests and waste your entire life chasing shit you don’t need and if you manage to do it, THEN you’re ALLOWED to feel like you have value. Until then, you are a fucking WORM. DON’T approach that girl, you aren’t GOOD ENOUGH. You’re a piece of shit. But if you buy our product or earn enough money or wear this suit or get that 6-pack, THEN you MIGHT be allowed to feel like you deserve that girl…until that product is outdated or you start to lose your hair or you gain a few pounds…then BACK TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL FOR YOU, MAGGOT. MAYBE if you claw your way back up, we’ll let you feel good again…like those hot girls who we tell, from birth, they’re special snowflakes and they’re allowed and encouraged by everyone to just feel good all the time because they have a vagina.

Julien’s point is that you should view yourself the way that guy who’s earned all that shit is “allowed” to view himself…because girls don’t actually care if you OWN the nightclub, they care that you have the same subcomms as the guy who DOES, because that implies you have high-value.

“This is why the mentor role works so well.”

Mentor role isn’t a bad thing, as long as it’s not costing you anything and she understands it’s a gift and luxury to be allowed to have that from you (VS you trying to sell it to her) and that when she fucks you it’s because she’s sexually attracted to you and the emotions you give her. But really what is the mentor role when you boil it down? You tell her what to do, you scold her when she’s retarded, you help her grow bla bla. All of that is just leading, emotional rollercoaster, etc. Like it’s a convenient system for delivering some high-value demonstrations, but it’s those high-value demonstrations that are attractive not the mentoring itself.

“Situational value is not necessary to make this work, correct?”

Here’s the mind-fuck: all “situational value” is is giving yourself permission to be entitled/confident like the nightclub owner. We hype it up as this “bartender in his bar” “mountain climber on his mountain” thing, but the reality is what those guys are doing is looking to the environment for permission to feel high-value…so when it’s THEIR situational environment, they feel they have permission to feel high-value…when it’s a different environment, they don’t feel they have that same permission. So ultimately it’s a weaker form of confidence because if their value was internally based they would be “situationally confident” in EVERY situation because they already have permission to be that way.

This is again why I stress building guys up with the right internals and forcing them out of their comfort zones. A lot of early PUAs and newbies in general build their confidence up based on their looks, clothes, money, etc. and it creates a trap where when they don’t have those things they don’t feel entitled to be that same way. That’s what Julien is talking about here when he says to purposely destroy your comfort zones:

Now you can overtly demonstrate that value (aka standard DHV’ing) in various ways, but just having the frame will get you a long way. In Julien’s example, he had enough value by default with just the frame to hold the hot girl for a bit, but to actually get her he had to ramp his value up with more overt DHVs. He probably wouldn’t have to do that for like a 7, but for a really hot girl she might need more DHV’s. But again, there are other ways to DHV besides owning the nightclub…think about it like this: even IF you owned the nightclub, no one KNOWS that…you would have to find ways to make these girls KNOW you owned the nightclub? How would you do that? Well the guy in the story is probably sitting in a private booth, and he probably has a well dressed bouncer-esque guy bring the girl over. Could you duplicate those things yourself? Or DHV in other ways that are equal value to that? I’m not saying pretend you own the nightclub, but like, even THAT guy who owns it still has to find ways to DHV that he owns it and is high-value, and PUA gives you a zillion tools to DHV high-value.

Here’s Tyler and Julien explaining “The Hub”, where they basically create a shitload of social proof in one area (also see the Julien infield at the start for an example of hard emotional impact as he destroys the girl he’s talking to lol, followed by hard leading etc and her actually calling them “sexy” which defies all blue pill logic lol but she’s going by their subcomms and the emotions she’s being made to feel):

The point though, is that you can create value anywhere when you understand what DHV’s are and how to do them. Tyler and Julien are basically doing what the nightclub owner does, having other people bring girls to them. When you get to SHIFT you’ll see Julien’s infield where he merges sets into eachother and skyrockets his value to all the girls, it’s awesome to watch and entirely possible to duplicate when you understand what’s going on and why it works.

“Interestingly, I have situational value at a cafe in town where I know some of the young hotties who work there because I’m friends with, and have done some consulting for the owner. Do I also build situational value when I get to know the staff at venues?”

Ya, but remember value doesn’t mean shit if you can’t display it. If you make out with a 10 you have crazy value to everyone watching, but if you then go into another room none of those girls have seen you make out with that 10. You might carry over some subcomms because you feel like a boss having made out with the 10 in the other room, but like, you’re still going to have to understand how to DHV. When that nightclub owner goes to your cafe, no one knows he owns a nightclub…he might carry some subcomms over but if you’re a regular there it’s likely that you actually have more confidence/entitlement in that cafe than he does. When you understand this dynamic you understand why most guys at the bar stand around in chode crystals scared to do anything, they don’t feel entitled to be that way in that environment especially in a venue where like, they aren’t dressed right or don’t fit in in some way.

But if you can base your value internally so that none of that shit matters, then when you walk into the cafe, the nightclub, etc wearing whatever and feel as entitled as that nightclub owner. That’s why it’s so important…ya you can just “get laid” faster/easier basing your worth on externals, but you’re going to have a weak internal frame in the long-run if you go that route.

“An older guy has to make the girl qualify for him. The “you’re too young”, immature, not experienced etc are key disqualifiers to use early on.”

Yup. The biggest shift for older guys comes when they stop saying “I’m probably too old for you” and start saying “you’re probably too young for me”. That’s when they’re coming from the right frame of “I’M the one with the value, she has to impress ME”. The very fact that you would disqualify a hot girl IS a DHV because only a guy who has an abundance of girls like her would disqualify her…even guys OUT OF HER LEAGUE will chase her and try to qualify themselves to her.

“You have to present as aloof, with amused mastery and also be direct with your approach. Anything less lowers old man value dramatically. Am I tracking or full of shit?”

ehhh, you don’t have to be aloof. You can be very engaging but just disqualify her as a sexual interest based on whatever silly shit. Like, you can demonstrate a ton of value to a little old grandma but you’re not considering her as a sexual option. View it like Clooney, he might shake a lot of hands and be engaging with girls, but he’s not necessarily into all of them, they have to impress him first…it’s not about just being the silent one-word badass (even tho that’s the type of personality Julien chose to run his experiment with because it’s funny to him to just say as little as possible).

And you CAN go direct, but like, indirect is fine too…the old guy who knows everyone and is telling interesting stories etc, she’s going to end up sitting next to you trying to get your attention etc. The problem with direct is it forces her to make a snap judgement…which is okay if you wear your value on your sleeve (like you’re a known celebrity or whatever) or you happen to be her type visually (but even then it’ll be a pretty inconsistent hit or miss numbers game).

Part of why Mystery works the group and ignores his target is that ya ignoring her builds attraction, but while he’s ignoring her to engage her group he’s also giving her the opportunity to OBSERVE his demonstrations of higher value. She sees how he wins over her friends and his social proof and preselection and how he handles shit-tests etc, so then she CHOOSES him and is chasing his attention/validation. I think that’s optimal for an older man, personally.

Right now in the city I moved to I run ice cold approach with zero value “cheats”…I’m purposely not getting to know the staff much, I’m purposely not building a social circle, etc. I just like the challenge lol I’m a Thrill of the Hunt guy so I have more fun building my value from scratch every night using whatever’s around me, than I do just like, socializing with friends and pulling some chick that’s heard about me from a friend of a friend. What I’m doing is probably the least efficient way to get laid, but it’s fun to me and it helps my skills stay sharp because I have to bring the whole arsenal out every night. I can go direct or indirect but I prefer indirect because I’m planning to be single till my late 40s bare minimum (probably longer) so I’m already trying to get good at the type of game I view myself doing when I’m that age.

So when I’m 50 the game I’ll be running is building up my value in the venues, getting to know all the staff and regulars and building social circles, and my method will simply be to go hit those venues and socialize with the people I know, DHV’ing all over the place, and bring random girls into the conversations just in a social way and just being 1% cooler than the other guys and let the girls observe me DHV’ing and then screen them heavily disqualifying them and getting them to chase, then reward them for some arbitrary thing and let them “win” me. VS going direct or still doing cold approach (because I’m already doing my cold approach now). That’s probably the most efficient way to get laid in your 50s without needing a lot of game.

Those girls probably wouldn’t see me standing there by myself and choose me over the other guys in the venue…but the more they observe me DHV’ing, the higher my value rises, until I get to where the manager is, because the manager is shaking my hand and calling me by name and buying me a drink etc. It doesn’t matter if I’m a fat ugly 60yo man, if the smokin hot 18yo bartender runs around her bar to jump on me and hug me and the manager shakes my hand and a shooter girl comes over to hug me, girls will look past my looks even if it’s just to find out who exactly I am…they may interact with me fully guarded like with zero intention of banging me but just wanting to know if I’m someone they should get to know for networking etc purposes…but that’s where all my years of PUA come in, to turn that tiny opportunity into solid Attraction. 🙂

@Culum
“I don’t like to think of it in terms of what a young girl “expects” because that is falling into HER frame. But yes, a girl who likes a 40-55 year old doesn’t like him because she likes 6 packs (she gets much better ones from 22 year old guys) but because she likes his confidence and frame and experience.”

Right. It’s not that you HAVE to have those things to be attractive, it’s just that like, the reason she’s talking to you instead of her 18yo peers is that she kind of assumes that you’ll have things those guys don’t, like a strong frame and mentoring vibe etc That’s why a lot of old guys can’t GET those girls, because they’re old, ya, but they never really learned anything about themselves because they didn’t go sarge for 10 years, so they have weak internal frames…they have the same shitty internal frame that her 18yo peer has. That’s why I dominate guys in my age range, like, a hot-shot high-energy early 20s young dude is some actual competition for me, I have to bring my A-Game. But other mid-30s guys? I’m almost embarrassed for them…even if they look better than me (which most of them do because they’re in society’s value system that tells them they better lift and have nice clothes ’cause they’re old), I can make them qualify themselves to me and AMOG them and befriend them and play with their frame and show the girls that they have weak frames and just be 1% cooler and less reactive than them and the girls gravitate to me over them. I often joke with my buddies that the other guys in the bar make us look GOOD, but I’m not really joking lol

I’m not saying I’m a god or anything, but like, really LOOK at the mid-30s guys you meet. Most of them are either shit externally AND internally, or look great externally but have shitty weak internals like an 18yo because they’ve never pushed themselves in social situations and around women and fall into the same weak patterns and self-defeating mindsets.

“The mentoring is fine (and I agree with you), but the importnat thing is that it comes from the right frame – you’re not exchanging the mentoring for sex – you’re a hot older guy who turns her on AND can offer mentoring (sort of as if she was hot so you banged her, but she ALSO turns out to be fun to have dinner with as a bonus). ”

Good frame. The sex should ALWAYS be because she’s attracted to you…the exchange she gets for sex is that SHE GETS SEX TOO, from an experienced older man who knows women’s bodies and has a strong dominant frame and shit. SHE IS LUCKY TO FUCK YOU lol Most of those kids with their 6-pack abs have shaking hands when they try to take the girl’s bra off. She’s not with you because of your old man body, she’s with you because you have all those other things that make sex for sex a fair exchange. Anything else you can offer, like mentorship, is a bonus AND she has to EARN it (by being a quality girl, not bringing you drama, having a good attitude, not taking you for granted, etc)

“Situational value always helps. Whether it is “necessary” depends on the exact girl and circumstance, but you will always benefit by having situational value. YaReally’s archive has LOTS on this and he does indeed spend a lot of time getting to know staff at venues – it’s well worth it.”

Right…I can’t think of a situation off the top of my head where situational value DOESN’T help or has a negative impact. So like, chat up those waitresses and bartenders and shit, there’s no real downside to it especially as an older man. I’m doing this ice cold right now because I am a retard who likes the challenge and gets off on walking into a venue as an anonymous nobody and trying to tear it down lol

@imnobodyoo
“The solution: put your faith and your hope in something that is worthwhile, not in a bag of genes ruled by hypergamy. In my case, it was God. For the non-religious, they can try an ideal, a mission. And women? They are only desserts. Enjoy them but don’t give them an importance for which they were not designed.”

Yup. This is what we teach in PUA (and MRAs, MGTOWs, TRP, Manosphere, really everyone teaches this now). Can’t be stressed enough. Your purpose is your purpose…HER purpose is YOU. Or as Patrice O’Neal says it: she LOVES you and you LIKE her.


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@scribblerg @culum
More tips on creating the kind of high value that a nightclub owner would have so that you become the “guy to know” in the room even though you’re just some random dude:

Julien’s SHIFT infield has excellent footage of him executing this merge sets stuff.

In that video he’s describing this documentary thing so you can see the infield he’s talking about (at 6:10, the set starts at exactly 6:16 when the white shirt guy (the future RSD instructor Max in his chode days as a student lol) is shaking the orange hoodie girl’s hand, compare that to what the final set looks like when Julien gets his number):

When you just watch the infield it’s like “oh that’s cool maybe he’s good looking etc” but when you hear him explaining how he’s doing that (merging sets forward) it’s more clear what’s going on and how he ends up with those girls around him (doing a lock-in against the wall, classic Mystery Method, don’t forget these basics they’re important DHVs) and why the girl initiates the phone number exchange (as far as she knows he’s this guy surrounded by girls, why WOULDN’T she want to go party with him?)

Also lol at the reporter guy’s mind exploding watching all of this. That’s basically what guys around us look like when my buddy and I (two very average looking dudes) are doing our thing. Like “wtf is happening?? I wore my nicest shirt that shows off my biceps and these chicks are up on THESE guys?? DUMB DRUNK BAR SLUTS!!!!!” lol

But when you understand the dynamics of social proof and preselection and merging sets and locking in and leaning back and all the little subtle things Julien is doing to DHV, what’s happening makes complete sense.

Here’s some Mystery infield (Mystery with no peacocking):

Listen to the description of the students watching, Mystery and Matador are talking to the bartenders and stuff before they even get fully into the bar. At 1:16 Mystery moves in for a hug, scolds her when she doesn’t hug properly (he’s got an effeminate vibe but he’s still leading the interaction, Julien might say an abrasive “you hug like a grandma” and an aloof laconic old guy might say “what is that, try again.” dominantly, but the point is Mystery is executing the same concepts as a guy who views himself as high-value, but with his own congruent vibe).

But from there, Matador brings girls over, now Mystery is socially proofed to the girl he’s sitting with, and Mystery has locked in which seems like not a big deal at the moment, he’s just sitting there…but when her group comes BACK and Mystery PRO-ACTIVELY brings himself into the set (lots of guys will passively let the girls yap and fade into the background), negs the girl for her social faux pas knowing she can take it, and the whole thing turns into what you see at 2:08 – 2:20 where the girls are touching him and all leaning into him.

Any girl (or guy) who sees THAT scene in a club? THAT guy looks like he’s the owner of the club or as valuable as him. It doesn’t matter that Mystery is just in a normal shirt or that he’s not very high energy (compared to a lot of PUAs who are all over the place, Mystery is pretty calm and lets a lot of silences hang etc) or that he isn’t jacked or if he was 50 it wouldn’t matter (he’s tall, yes, but he’s sitting down and Julien is only like 6′ max, and Tyler and the other guys and myself and my buddies etc can all duplicate this so it can’t be chalked up to “he’s tall”) etc, all people especially women register in their hindbrain is “THIS guy is high-value because he has 3 girls all leaning in chasing his attention…I’m curious what THAT’S about” and once he has them intrigued it’s just running game from there to fan that spark into a bushfire.

But he’s not doing anything that Julien isn’t doing and they aren’t doing anything you can’t do, even if you don’t own a nightclub. This is just understanding the basics of pickup and applying it strategically. 🙂


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(also it’s important to remember that Mystery doesn’t drink, Julien doesn’t drink, Tyler doesn’t drink, Max doesn’t drink, Todd doesn’t drink, like, the only money you have to spend to do what these guys are doing with merging sets and everything is cover to get into the venue if you live near them and don’t have to pay for travel costs…and if you have a venue with no cover, you can just GO OUT and have hot girls UP ON YOU like this, for FREE, just by understanding the strategy and psychology that PUA teaches…you can do this THIS WEEKEND if you want, it’s all right there in front of you to play with, there’s no barrier to entry)


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@IAS
“It is confusing for me because it looks sexy, but strictly speaking it is an eye shielding behavior, which I think are usually IODs (think covering your eyes with your hand, or even outright turning your back on someone / something as archetype eye shielding behaviors).”

It’s attraction/seduction. Google “slow blink attracted” for a bunch on it. If she was looking away from him or something then it could be an IOD, but if she’s still looking at him it’s some bambi eyes shit lol

Pay attention to how proximity adds to the tension, watch the Richard Laruina vid I mention in that post after the Liam one, his version is more playful but the concept is the same and his explanation adds to Liam’s.

@SJF
“Sure it sucks when a man is with one. But did you ever play golf in a 3 club difference, rainy, cold headwind?”

I keep a BPD chick around just for the practice of learning to handle them. Some nice little <25yo at the bar who throws a little shit-test is child's play after having the BPD chick test my frame like crazy. I literally keep this chick around to keep my frame tight. So I get what you're saying.

But 99.999999% of men are not equipped to handle a BPD chick. They will be sucked into the vortex nightmare from hell those chicks create. Even I have to take a bunch of precautions and keep distance etc to keep her from going full Gone Girl on me but I have a lot of experience and ultimately I'm attracted to a bit of crazy so I need to learn how to handle these kinds of girls 'cause I'll probably end up with one lol But this chick is the extreme end of it. Her entire LIFE, not just her, is a barrel of crazy.

But like I say, I wouldn't recommend that shit to anyone. I have enough abundance that I can peace out on this one at any time with no fucks given and no looking back. Most guys aren't in that situation.

@Camaro
The other guys here know what they're talking about. I'd just add that the only thing worse than being with a BPD chick like that would be paying a good chunk of your salary (alimony and child support) to and fighting over custody with a chick like that. She will run the next guy through the same BPD wringer she's running you through, except she won't marry him because then you'll get off the hook for alimony and you'll be funding the two of them while not being able to see your kids (which might be a good thing because they're going to inherit her BPD shit and she will fully teach them how to false accuse you of shit when they don't get their way because they're too small to hit you but not too small to hurt you).

Get out now before you're locked in for alimony and child support/custody. No idea how old you are but it's VERY common for guys to start their lives "over" in their 40s and 50s now, you're not the creepy old loser to society now. And if you're in your 30s you definitely shouldn't be locked down to this shit. There's another girl that looks and fucks just like her down the street, minus the crazy.

Like Louis CK says at 1:24, get the fuck out while it's easy 'cause it's only gonna get harder and fuck your life up longer:

There's no scenario where you're with this girl and end up happy. She has no reason to change her behavior, no one in society will ever hold her accountable for it, not even you, because if you ever did society would take her side. There is NO LOGICAL REASON why she would ever get better and you would end up happy. You are actually at the HAPPIEST point in your relationship right now, because everything from here will be worse than right now and you'll think back and go "man, I miss those days, I should've gotten out while I could", just like you probably think back to when you two first met and the first signs of crazy came out and how much happier you were back then.

Also watch the movie Gone Girl ASAP. That's your chick.


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Video of Camaro’s wife and future daughter (when you take her iphone away etc) going viral:

This girl will never change her ways because why would she? If she were a little dude he would’ve been knocked the fuck out the second he raised his fists. But this chick is going to face zero consequences. Even if she was charged society will paint her as the victim and she’ll just write it off as “that guy was a faggot or something” and continue being her sparkling shining self.

@Camaro you wanna raise one of these for 18 years? ’cause your wife is demonstrating to you that your daughter is going to be just like her but worse ’cause she’ll be raised BY her.


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(this is also why I walk past crying girls on bar nights lol I have buddies who will see that crying drunk girl sitting on the curb and try to play white knight and find out what’s wrong and help them but I just walk on past like they don’t exist ’cause it’s not worth the potential hassle. If I saw that chick who froze to death I would just close my blinds and maybe call 911 to mention her but I wouldn’t engage her or invite her in to warm up…if she’s walking around in the cold wasted and wearing shorts and no jacket I’m not gonna be the guy who’s apartment she wakes up and freaks out in when she sobers up.

Unfortunately it’s the same thing with kids these days, way too much risk to go help a crying child and risk getting accused of being a pedo trying to kidnap them. Go feminism!)


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@Camaro
Another video of your future:

Also record EVERYTHING. Any interaction that starts to escalate, get your phone out and hit record even if all you can get is audio. And any time you plan to have a conversation that COULD escalate, like telling her you want a divorce or telling her her behavior is unacceptable (lol like she cares) etc, set up the camera to record or keep it on you and record audio at the least. The jurors are gonna wanna see that stuff when she accuses you of beating her etc


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@Andy
“Dude, they murder BABIES!”

Also that. But don’t worry, we’ll excuse them with “it’s just postpartum depression” or a million other excuses and let them off the hook.

Once again I put forth the notion that Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (a growing trend where babies just mysteriously stop breathing and nobody is concerned about this, no autopsy or doctor can narrow down what’s mysteriously happening where babies just stop breathing and this isn’t viewed as some kind of plague crisis or some shit) is just chicks who regret having their kid or panic about the actual long-term realities of how hard raising a kid will be, holding a pillow over their face in the middle of the night as they make an emotional decision in the moment, and doctors etc can tell but just don’t want to say it because it goes against the Women Are Wonderful narrative and if it was widespread husbands would be murdering their wives and society would crumble because men wouldn’t risk having kids with women or marrying or we’d need some kind of 24 hour watch or something and society would be fucked.

And yet we can watch how callously women can treat a man or other woman who they don’t care about or have 180’ed their feelings on, but the Women Are Wonderful narrative says they would NEVER do that to their own baby. Cue the image of the motherly woman nursing her newborn.

Then imagine this Uber chick or the spazzing-in-the-car chick or Camaro’s chick having a newborn baby and resenting it for fucking up her body and being an inconvenience and keeping her awake all night and costing money and not being as cute as she thought etc…

But hey maybe I’m just a crazy conspiracy kook lol

P.S. The drunk girl in the first vid I linked with the Uber driver is a neurology student. They’re not just dumb white trash crazy bitches off Jerry Springer that do this stuff. Even Camaro’s lawyer (or whatever) wife can be bat-shit crazy. But crazier would be staying in the relationship.

P.P.S. Camaro’s also an example of what I meant when I was talking about how society doesn’t want men to realize their value. If he understood that he has value as a man and with a little practice at pickup he could go out and get a better girl, he would bail on her. Instead social conditioning has him convinced that he thinks he’s such a worthless piece of shit that he can’t do better than her so he’ll stay with her and pop out babies and work himself to the bone to generate income to pay for them or to pay the alimony/child support etc and society will continue to function off his back till he offs himself to escape and no one will give it a second thought because men are disposable. Society WANTS you to feel like shit, it helps everyone…except YOU lol


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@redlight
“This is like the Walking Dead’s Michonne and her pet walkers”

lol btw her (female of course) therapist has convinced her it’s HEALTHY for couples to fight and that couples who don’t fight are hiding something. Which she’s taken to mean “just make shit up to fight about all the time”. She gets off on fucking after a fight, of course. But in this day and age where there are ZERO consequences for her taking it too far, it’s too risky a gamble to get involved with.

@SJF
“My friend is frequently identified as on par with the most interesting man in the world type of man.”

Your friend is an anomaly with the resources to survive a BPD chick. 99.999999% of guys will be FUCKED for life from it.

@scribblerg
“I do think one should always be wary of diagnosing anyone based on the internet.”

It doesn’t matter if she’s ACTUALLY BPD, like to medical standards or whatever. The point is she is CLEARLY FUCKING CRAZY, because she’s demonstrating that she’s clearly fucking crazy. And he is CLEARLY not equipped to handle it because he’s clearly not handling it or he wouldn’t be here.

I had a buddy who’s first GF turned out to be like that and I was just like man, I feel bad for you because you have no idea you’ve stepped on a landmine as your first GF and you’re going to learn it the hard way. And he did…spent a year under court-ordered curfew waiting for the case (him “abusing” her aka she made shit up and stood in the doorway so he couldn’t leave and told the cops he hit her when he called them etc dude is still scarred for life from spending the weekend in jail and the whole year long shitshow) to go to trial before she finally dropped the charges because she was full of shit.

If he had a kid with her (which he will soon, ’cause she’ll try to get preggers when she senses he wants to bail), then like ok MAYBE try to figure out some way to make that shit work and fix her. But right now he can get the fuck out scott-free with minimal loss and move on to better shit. This is exactly the type of chick who will put him through the same parental alienation you went through if he has kids with her, because she WILL cheat on him (if she isn’t already, which would surprise me) and he WILL end up divorced or separated down the road but with way more on the line.

He doesn’t NEED to fix this. He has no stakes in this. He doesn’t need to understand her. He can get the fuck out and THEN talk to a therapist and describe how she acted and understand her. But GTFO while he can.


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@Andy
“Also, they can have a VERY normal, and actually quite personable and charming facade. Which is why they can manipulate therapists, judges, juries, anyone really. Like, personally I think even @YaReally is fucking crazy for associating with one. And I’m a huge fanboi.”

Oh it’s 100% a bad idea. I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. But I also very thoroughly understand the risks etc and have taken precautions so that she can’t affect my actual life. She’s in another part of the country so 99% of it is just text stuff. If we were in the same city it would be a lot riskier lol I sure as shit would never LIVE with her. That would be fucking crazy.


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While we’re on the subject of guys having their Blue Pill reality obliterated, here’s a suuuuper oldschool video from like the pre-The Game days (thus the potato quality). Loverboy, an asian PUA made this to help inspire other guys who get into PUA:

All you gotta do is go out and take control of your life.


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@Camaro @all

Here comes a big one, enjoy lol:

BTW we call them Cluster-B girls rather than just BPD because there’s a bunch of disorders or whatever involved and generally the nuances of which parts and pieces she has don’t matter much…it’s all a barrel of crazy that guys should run away from lol

DISCLAIMER: None of the following is implying in any way that any guy, especially one IN one of these relationships, should attempt to learn how to handle these girls…you can’t learn to tame a lion when it’s already gnawing your leg off. GTFO and stay away from the lion den entirely if you can.

That said, for the sake of the knowledge-base of how human psychology and shit works:

If you have a REALLY rock-solid frame, you can handle a lot of this stuff. A lot of that crazy behavior is based on her just having a need for positive and negative emotions (the full rollercoaster). When you, trying to be a good boyfriend following the Blue Pill Disney script, only give her positive emotions, she gets antsy the same way you would if the only movies you were allowed to watch were happy ones where nothing goes wrong and everyone is just happy and pleasant all the time…over time you would start to crave the negative emotions of a good thriller or horror movie or just SOMETHING to make you feel alive. Like I say, we pay money to experience this when we go to the theater. Dread game and flirting with a waitress in front of your girlfriend is giving her minor drama and we accept that they need this sometimes. Cluster-B chicks are often just a really extreme version of this, like they want that rollercoaster more frequently than other girls and want it to go higher and lower than other girls need it to go to scratch that itch. That’s why they’re I LOVE YOU AND CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT YOU AND I’LL KILL MYSELF IF YOU LEAVE ME one minute and I FUCKING HATE YOU YOU RUINED MY LIFE I WISH YOU WERE DEAD the next minute…they’re craving just a really extreme rollercoaster. There’s probably faulty wiring in their brain, but like, their behavior isn’t “random” and “unpredictable” when you understand this concept.

When you look at those videos I posted through that frame, all that Uber chick is trying to do is get SOMEONE to smack her down, ideally an alpha male who puts her in her place and then fucks the shit out of her as the climax to her emotional rollercoaster (that’s why the Uber chick’s subcomms come off as her needing to get fucked). She’s creating drama because no one will give it to her (if the driver smacks her down, 50 white knights kill him or he goes to jail etc). And because no one will stop her, she just keeps escalating it. In the second video with the crazy car ride chick, again the guy won’t give her the drama she’s craving so she just creates it. Their home life is probably a LOT like that car ride where he’s just chill and she’s flipping her shit because she wants drama but has married a guy who doesn’t provide or get sucked into it. So again her behavior escalates.

In the olden days, guys wouldn’t take this shit. They would smack the chick down and fuck the shit out of her for acting up. See Clint Eastwood in that rapey scene in that one movie that I’m too lazy to go YouTube search for. There was a time where the chick acting up would GET that smackdown and fucking she needs and then she’s purring like a kitten in love with you because she’s on the other extreme end of the rollercoaster. And there are certain types of guys who can handle a relationship with those girls because they will just go Clint Eastwood on her ass, or enjoy the drama themselves etc.

The problem is society in 2016 is structured in such a way that any guy who tries to give these girls the smack-down they’re demanding will face massive consequences, immediate AND long-term. So guys are kind of neutered, like that Uber driver who can’t do anything about her destroying his car. Because guys can’t do anything to stop it, the behavior escalates. And even if a guy DOES something, he would have to trust that he calibrates it perfectly and the girl doesn’t get mad at him in the future etc and doesn’t decide to say it was rape and press charges. So like that Clint Eastwood move would PROBABLY have the girl purring like a kitten happy she’s found a “real man” afterward, but that’s a MASSIVE gamble in 2016 and more likely he would be fucked himself…or even worse she would love it and he falls into a false sense of security but then one day he wants to leave her and THAT’S when she goes full crazy on him.

Then on top of that guys have no idea about any of this shit, and are brought up on Women Are Wonderful Disney Blue Pill thinking and they get involved with these girls expecting the best of other human beings, and because the sex is great lol And the girl hides her crazy long enough to get him fully invested so that it’s harder for him to bail, and any slip-ups she makes he’ll brush off or talk himself out of thinking are legit because he’s in scarcity and believes in True Love and all…but once she knows he won’t leave (which he demonstrates by forgiving and further committing to her after she’s shown some crazy, or by not leaving when she shows some crazy signs and excusing it etc for her), she starts letting out more and more crazy, especially because the boyfriend is trying to make things work and he’s focusing on “if I just give her good emotions maybe she won’t be like this” because Blue Pill conditioning has convinced him to take the actively wrong action of “happy wife, happy life” appeasement to try to solve it. He sees a lashing out of negative emotions and thinks “Disney told me women only want good emotions so I’ll make sure she always only feels good emotions” (meanwhile we ignore the whole movie theater thing that’s staring us all right in the face).

On top of THAT, society tells men we’re worthless so usually these girls are hot and these guys are in scarcity and think they can’t get another girl. And they’re following the Blue Pill script of “if I give her good emotions maybe she’ll settle down”, so they further commit to these girls and next thing you know they’re married to them maybe with kids and now they’re REALLY locked in and she can REALLY go full-tilt crazy mode because she instinctively knows he can’t leave so it’s safe to let the whole shitshow out. And even a guy who was holding his frame at the start, when it’s day in and day out constant crazy eventually that guy gets worn down by it.

And then to top it off most guys never study pickup and learn anything about shit-tests or handling crazy chicks and drama, so they’re just not equipped for this. I have the reputation among my friends of “give YaReally the crazy bitch in the group” because they scare my buddies but I eat them for breakfast. They’ll see us interact and go back and forth with drama, or I’ll send screencaps of our conversations and they’re just like “holy shit that chick is going to kill you in your sleep” but because I understand the psychology of what’s going on those girls are generally purring kittens for me and I keep them at a far enough distance that I’m able to walk away with minor consequences/risk (compared to the guys who actually DATE them).

So add all that up and now you’ve got a chick who’s craving an exceptional level of negative emotions and drama, legally tied to and living with a guy who’s determined to only give her good emotions and feels too worthless to leave her, and EVERYONE in society will take her side in everything (except in Red Pill forums like this) and he’ll get gas-lit into believing it’s his fault etc etc etc

Fucking nightmare situation, a recipe for disaster and the “solutions” are part of what’s causing the “problem”.

So what’s the solution? Aside from keeping a wide berth which is what you SHOULD do.

But again for the sake of the knowledge-base:

One funny way to handle them is to do exactly what she’s doing, back to her. When my crazy chick tries to pick a fight, I just bring up (or make up lol) a time SHE slipped up and turn things back around on her to switch it from me being on the defensive to HER being on the defensive as fast as possible…either one feeds her need for drama and an emotional rollercoaster. Us guys get caught up in “but she’s mad about this specific thing” or “but she says she’s going to kill herself” etc, because we’re logical…the same way we get caught up in “but what did you SAY to her when you picked that girl up??” because we aren’t looking at the subcommunication of what’s going on. Just like how in pickup it doesn’t really matter to her what the words you two are saying are, the Cluster-B isn’t ACTUALLY mad about the thing she’s coming to you upset about, and she isn’t ACTUALLY thinking of killing herself (unless you let that shit go on and escalate for so long that she knows she can prevent you leaving by an “attempt” (that somehow is timed so you save her just in the nick of time, funny how that goes) to kill herself).

So in a WAY you could boil this down to just a massive form of shit-testing, which I know will rub guys who’ve dated these girls the wrong way because that sounds like such a belittling summary of what was a hugely traumatic period of their life. But most of the guys who’ve dated those girls were in that “unequipped to handle it, didn’t notice the signs till it was too late, following the wrong script to try to fix it, too invested to walk away” etc stage I described above. A good example is to check my archives for walawala’s adventures with his crazy bitch last year(?). I was able to help coach him through it because for him it was way over his head seemingly random shit, but for me it’s like “ok now she’s doing this, so do this in response” etc. Human behavior isn’t unpredictable, Coca Cola doesn’t just throw billions of dollars at marketing groups on a whim…but it benefits society for women to be SEEMINGLY impossible to understand because that’s how you get roped into long-term commitment with these chicks and work your job and pop out babies and keep society going even if you’re miserable (don’t worry, you can numb yourself with Netflix and drugs and booze and videogames etc).

So she may come at me with something like “I know you were fucking that bitch on NYE”. Most guys will try to appease this and defend themselves and try to turn it into good emotions like “baby I told you I haven’t talked to her in months I was with my buddies”…but I know when I get a text like that that she needs a fix of drama so I’ll just feed it to her over the top and try to put her on the defensive because I know she doesn’t ACTUALLY think/know/care that I was with some other girl, she’s subcommunicating that she needs drama, so if I give her ANYTHING to claw at, she’ll go for it because it’s the drama she’s after more than the specific thing she’s talking about. I could respond with something like “no I’m seeing her tomorrow”, but that keeps the focus on her attacking me which escalates fast. What I want to do is turn it around so that SHE’S on the defensive (like running from a house cat that’s clawing at you VS stepping into it…running triggers it’s “this is prey” instinct and it chases you and escalates things, but stepping into it forces it to abort it’s attack and go on the defensive).

So instead I’ll reply with something like “wtf do you care you were too busy sucking dick all night to even txt me a happy new year at midnight. thanks for not giving a fuck about me” It doesn’t even really make sense, but she doesn’t care about a logical conversation/discussion (which is why you can’t smooth over these fights (except when she’s gotten enough drama and will forgive you but then she brings it up again in another fight)). All she cares about is the emotions and the rollercoaster ride. A response/accusation like this puts her on the defensive which is still drama so generally she’ll jump on it and respond with something like “you didn’t txt ME happy new year either! you were too busy with your bar skanks”

A lot of guys will see that and think “I have to smooth this over” and respond with like “my phone died I swear, I wasn’t even at the bar I told you I was with Bob and Joe all night, we were playing poker, I txted you as soon as I found a plug-in for my phone” But she doesn’t WANT appeasement, she doesn’t WANT the negative emotions to end because that’s WHY she’s picking this fight, to go on the rollercoaster, so that kind of response will usually just get her picking MORE of a fight like “ya right you always say that, you don’t even care about me I should just kill myself you wouldn’t even be sad if I did” etc and the guy, trying to smooth things over and only give her good emotions, will send something like “baby I love you, don’t hurt yourself okay? are you okay? do you want me to come home? I love you so much” etc

But I would instead be responding something like “i didn’t txt cause I wanted to see if you actually gave a shit and would txt me. guess only one of us cares about this relationship. your new years resolution should be to quit whoring around with David from your office i know you two have been fucking behind my back” Again this kind of thing is flipping it around to put her on the defensive…and since what she’s after is just an emotional rollercoaster drama ride, her being on the defensive is just as good as her being on the offensive, as long as she gets her drama fix, just like when you go to a movie whether the main character wins or dies you come out of the theater satisfied with your purchase because you paid money to experience a rollercoaster of emotions. Braveheart has a fucking horrible depressing ending, but damned if that’s not a good movie.

Because I’m turning things around on her to put her on the defensive, instead of ending up down the “her getting more and more mad at me and coming up with more and more stuff to be mad about and escalating to threatening to kill herself”, I’ll get a response like “omg i was at home drinking wine with my girlfriends I wasn’t even with another guy and I’m not fucking David he just flirts with me” to which I’ll keep things going with something like “ya and you lead him on. you’re lucky I even come home to you with the way you treat me I can’t believe I thought you loved me” and I’ll start slowly turning things toward forgiving her for a completely made up thing, which is the climax/resolution of the movie and gets her down the path of responding with stuff like “I DO love you but you don’t appreciate me enough” and from there we’re out of the danger zone and into pretty easy shit-testing. She’s got her drama fix, I’ve helped send her on an emotional rollercoaster ride of extreme negative and positive emotions, and if we’re in the same room that’s where I would just throw her down and fuck her, or via txt I’ll just handle the rest of the easy tests till we’re back to normal and she’s telling me she loves me.

And if she needs a BIG rollercoaster I’ll often just accuse her of something and then go radio silent for a while. Like “hard to appreciate a girl who I SAW out at lunch with David on Monday and is now LYING to me about it” and then go radio silent while she sends a bunch of “that wasn’t me omg you’re delusional” and “you’re too controlling I need a man who isn’t so jealous” and “I might as well just kill myself you don’t even care about me” and “wow you don’t even care I thought so” that fills my phone but gets no response. Often she’ll end up solving her own problem once she realizes the rollercoaster ride is over and then she’ll send me cute funny stuff trying to get me to response (see “rolodex” in my archive for walawala’s adventures with that, basically she’ll try a bunch of different stuff to get my attention, and whatever I respond to is what she learns “this is how to get his attention”…so when you respond to the “I’ll kill myself” stuff that teaches her that the way to get your attention is to threaten to kill herself which most guys won’t ignore and guess how that one turns out in the long-run lol, but when you only respond to when she’s trying to be cute etc (as she goes through her rolodex of methods), she learns that calming down and being cute is the way to get your attention back once you go radio silent after a rollercoaster ride).

Note that at no point in these fights am I ACTUALLY worked up. I’m actually lol’ing half the time when I’m in these exchanges because I know what’s going on. I know I’m just feeding her what she needs. SHE’S worked up, but I’m actually just txting in-between making a sandwich or taking a dump or whatever.

So TECHNICALLY these girls CAN be handled…but 1) it’s not worth it (despite the sex lol), 2) it takes a LOT of work and can be very emotionally draining, I know guys who will read my text exchanges and are drained just from READING them because it’s like “holy shit how can you deal with this”, and 3) do you want to do this for the REST OF YOUR FUCKING LIFE? lol like it’s fun here and there, but imagine 40 years of having to purposely engage fights and have all this drama and if you slip up once it escalates…some guys are wired to handle that naturally but they’re a very small minority and are taking a huge risk in 2016 with all the legal shit on the girl’s side, and 99.9999% of guys would get worn down FAST, which would cause things to escalate into full “kill myself” territory. I know I sure wouldn’t want to deal with this chick living with me and us having DAILY fights at home AND in public etc like fuck that, that’s not a happy life to me lol Also this stuff is dancing on the brink of the Grand Canyon…like, when you escalate the fight on purpose, if you fuck up you’ve just made the consequences that much higher. Like getting a dog overly excited playfighting with him, if you wear him out safely he’ll chill out and calm down from exhaustion but if he DOES bite you he’s going to bite 10x as hard because you riled him up. And if you have a dog who NEEDS some playfighting and has energy to burn off (Cluster-B girl) but you keep it in a small room with no windows or room to run around or toys to fuck with etc (a guy who’s trying not to upset her), that dog is going to start biting at people because it doesn’t know what to do with all the energy it has…that’s why the Dog Whisperer guy gets people putting those dogs on a treadmill and shit so they can burn off that energy. This is a similar concept.

Now that all said, understand that the main chick I keep around for learning purposes is in another part of the country from me and I’m not legally tied to her and she only knows minimal information about my life (in terms of being able to destroy my career or whatever with false accusations) so while I also have experience with these chicks in-person (including this one), the majority of what I’m doing with her is all via txt/phone so I’m relatively safe. I’ve got a rabid pitbull chained to a tree in my yard and I keep my distance out of the reach of it’s jaws when I go feed it lol

But what exactly is my situation doing based on the stuff I just wrote about why guys get fucked over by these chicks? I have distance which means things can’t physically escalate. I have a bit of anonymity with her so I can let things escalate without a lot of worry about consequences. I’m using txt/phone primarily with her so I can walk away from the conversation at any point with no worries. I’m not legally tied to her in any way and mentally I’m not invested in her because I go do pickup with other girls etc so while we’ve known eachother for a few years I have no oneitis for her or anything. And I KNOW that she’s damaged and unfit to be longterm settle-down LTR material, let alone a legal wife, let ALONE a baby mama to my kids who would be just as batshit crazy as she is and would all team up with her against me as I get older and my frame gets weaker. Like I KNOW that’s a recipe for disaster.

I also know that if we have these fights in person, there’s an almost 100% chance that they’ll escalate to her blocking the door and/or hitting me or throwing things at me, cops being called, maybe even a LEGIT fake staged suicide attempt etc and I would be in for a nightmare. So I don’t put myself in that situation…if we hang out it’s in public, or I secretly record us if it’s in private, I use game to snuff a lot of her attempts to pick fights out before they escalate, I feed her SAFE drama on my terms so she can get her fix but it’s drama about silly shit to me like I’ll let another girl’s name show up on my phone etc.

I do this stuff partly to understand it and partly because I like girls who are a little chaotic. My day to day is pretty boring so a girl who’s a little emotional like that is fun for me, and I find they tend to be pretty feminine which I like (really this is just kind of a severe extreme end of being incredibly feminine and rolling with her emotions in the moment and needing extreme emotions, VS like a stoic masculine energy). So I figure if/when I settle down it’ll end up being with a girl who’s more drama than my buddies would want, but much less drama than this chick is lol

But this chick, like SJF’s golf analogy, is training for handling other girls who give me drama. Because this chick is the far end of the spectrum, so when some silly 21yo at the bar gives me a little drama/shit-test that shit just bounces off like bullets off Superman’s chest because I’ve “trained” with this crazy chick (and others before her, but she’s my main one).

That’s why I can explain all this shit lol

Again I’m not suggesting that Camaro should stay in his relationship and try to fix it…he’s already WELL past the stage where she knows she has him by the balls and can let the full crazy out. The lion’s gnawing his leg off already, he needs to GTFO. But I wanted to document this stuff for discussion purposes and just to have the information out there because I hate brushing off sections of human behavior as just “crazy” or “random”. I think everything we do can be explained and even predicted with a pretty high degree of accuracy if we can understand all the factors involved and look for patterns.

The stuff I just described falls completely in line with what we already know and accept and understand about shit-tests and girls’ need for emotional rollercoasters and how society ties men’s hands in dealing with them and even how children push boundaries until someone enforces them etc. So I’m not bringing anything super controversial to the table, all I’m describing is an extreme version of concepts we already understand…but to guys who’ve been through these Cluster-B situations up close and personal I understand if there’s some “it’s not that simple man, trust me” pushback (just like avoiding parental alienation can’t be that simple trust me etc, it’s our natural urge to feel like our particular situation is special and way more complicated than other people could possibly know)

@scray
“Naturals spout TBP shit all the time and still slay effortlessly. Why? They have such a strong inner core and frame that it doesn’t matter.”

My only caveat to that would be that when those Naturals come out of their poon-slaying period and want to settle down, they are extremely unequipped for the realities of an LTR and a LOT of them revert to Blue Pill LTR-chode mode because they believe they should treat their girlfriend different than they treat “those bar sluts” because they picked her thinking she’s a unicorn and have the Blue Pill madonna/whore complex. So in the end a LOT of them get bitten hard or get sucked into a BPD situation trying to fix the situation in a “happy wife, happy life” way because of their Blue Pill beliefs.

The Naturals who keep their Red Pill attitudes despite having a Blue Pill belief system about LTRs/marriage/kids/etc are VERY rare, ESPECIALLY if they get hooked by a BPD.

@Forge
“but no-one has any clear evidence and specific theories about how this could happen abound”

This is the biggest red flag to me. That there aren’t teams of people working on solving this 24/7…no one seems to really give a shit. Because I think they already KNOW the answer. But it’s too fucked up to publicize, just like false rape accusations and divorce-rape etc TOTES NEVER HAPPEN GUISE when everyone knows a few guys who’ve had them happen to them. Blue Pill guys have a hard time accepting that girls can act like the ones in that Julien vid I posted where he’s making fun of other girls for being fat, or like the Uber girl etc…imagine telling them “btw you’re working your whole life to save up for that wedding to your unicorn, but she might just snuff your kids out while you’re asleep, and actually for a lot of you she actually DID all those tears she shed were crocodile tears just like when the Uber girl apologizes, women are capable of this fucked up behavior (and the Red Pill can explain a lot of it)”

“Not nearly enough to draw strong conclusions, but I think that suspicion is unfortunately not at all ridiculous.”

I would love for it NOT to be true. And I haven’t really looked into any of the research…I’m just going by what I know about human behavior and chick psychology. It’s not really THAT big a leap when you’ve seen women do super fucked up shit and hamster rationalize accountability etc away and how effortless it is for them. But I would be burned at the stake for suggesting any of this at like a dinner party with Blue Pill people lol


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“So is that what it boils down to? Thinking about women as if they are children or dumb dogs and accepting it?”

Watch the clip all the way through if you’re still holding onto Blue Pill beliefs. Everything the girls are doing in this clip makes perfect sense when you understand women, that’s why Julien’s turned it into a routine he can explain to a crowd…because it’s that predictable when you understand chick brains and have fully swallowed the Red Pill.

These same girls will be at the office on Monday and the guy in the cubicle beside them with a crush on them will be txting his buddy “dude I talked to Janice for 10 whole minutes at lunch!! She told me she doesn’t like bars and just stayed in to read by the fireplace this weekend. I think she might let me take her out on a date sometime, do you think this fancy restaraunt is good enough?? I better hit the gym first and wear my finest fitted suit…I hope she likes my expensive condo and lets me have sex with her.”

Because a lot of guys (like Elam) will look at these girls and go “ok well he just found some DUMB DRUNK BAR SLUT WHORE RETARDS”, so they can hold onto their world view that the girls THEY’RE attracted to would NEVER act like this given this kind of stimulus from a guy with this kind of attitude. Madonna/whore complex and all.

This is also why I ignore self-surveys and shit…would any girl EVER admit they would act like this? And be attracted to a guy who treats them and the people around them like this? Of course not. There will NEVER be like, Harvard data coming out of ivory towers by nerds who don’t go out, showing these kinds of things. But pushing the boundaries in the field reveals everything about human psychology.

Also for the “looks matter” crowd note that Julien’s buddies are jacked compared to him and enter his conversations, but Julien’s the one making an EMOTIONAL IMPACT (an INCREDIBLY “negative” one in this case (and note how he gets just as much attraction as with a positive “you’re adorable, I had to come say hi” impact)) so the girls focus on him instead of ignoring him to ask the better looking guy’s questions etc (which is what a lot of TRP guys think is supposed to happen, they’re supposed to ignore the skinny manboob Julien to jump on Chad Thundercock’s jacked body). It would be hard for a lot of guys to look at Julien standing beside his buffer friends and explain why Julien is “higher value” to the girls…and if he was just STANDING there doing NOTHING beside them, or the girls saw photos of them, they would probably choose the jacked dudes. But once you take action it comes down to emotional impact…like I say that’s why girls love horror movies and every romcom has sad scenes that make them cry etc Girls want to experience the full range/rollercoaster of emotions. Go out this weekend and focus on learning to give them that, don’t worry about your 6-pack lol

Also tons of devalidation and self-amusement concepts in action, and putting girls in competition with eachother, creating conspiracy theories etc. All of this shit is EMOTIONAL IMPACT. Compare that to the dialtone emotions most guys are feeding girls in an interaction…”so uhhh, where are you from? cool that’s cool…do uhhh do you like it here? That’s cool ya me too…so umm–” zzzzzz…

Is this “SOLID” game? I mean, technically he has enough interest to bang these girls if he wants to lol but this is why Julien’s products (pre-worldwide-controversy especially) are so prime, because he’s out there pushing the boundaries harder than anyone else just to see what happens and to understand these little dynamics. NO ONE would think this would work if you just described it to them, or if they did they would be too chicken-shit or in scarcity to actually field-test it multiple times like this lol

That all said, as of yesterday RSD Jeffy has joined Julien in being banned from Australia lol Just for being assosciated with Julien pretty much.

And they’re banned because no one will actually look at their products or their teaching, they’ll just go by the soundbytes and the most controversial footage (that clip above where the girls are LOVING the interaction will be described as him berating girls and insulting them and manipulating them with his evil male privilege powers etc etc). Which is exactly what the RVF forum is doing right now as they cheer on the banning and rant about how RSD is just a scam and doesn’t teach men to better their lives and ruins men etc etc all shit that’s provably false and said by emotional retards running on assumptions or outdated snippets of information (aka not doing their homework)…which is why I jumped in with the MGTOW thing in that other thread, because I’d hate to see the TRM comment section follow the same path where we just shout rage based on possibly inaccurate assumptions instead of listening to the other side and seeing what’s really up. Just as I’d hate to see that with the MRAs, MGTOWs, TRP, etc. Us PUAs are used to people hating on us and just kind of do our own thing, but like the groups SHOULD all be working together, we have a lot more in common than the individual groups seem to realize.

Australia seems to be a lost cause sucked into the tentacles of feminism and outrage culture in general with all their banning. RSD is handling this the same way as before, just say nothing and let the (extremely minor in comparison to the Julien one) controversy pass, like Julien explains here (this vid explains RSD’s handling of the Julien controversy, all a strategic strategy):

Looking forward to Roosh trying to hold a neomasculinity seminar in Australia to show how to handle feminists, I’m certain that will go well lol

Again would any girl on a self-survey indicate that THIS is the ride she wants to get fucked in? Of course not. Harvard data will never ever ever show you that this shit happens, let alone that it’s something you can consistently figure out how to trigger. (search for Jeffy infield footage to see girls getting banged in the van if you’re skeptical lol)

And it’s still a few days before the weekend but these videos are long so there’s plenty of time to give them a watch, here’s a bunch of infield footage compiled together in high-res to motivate guys to go out this weekend and have some fun with girls:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2zn8Od5EmzHfDx86FBs30g/videos

A lot of this is WAYYYYYY higher energy than you need to be, like I wouldn’t do half of this stuff ’cause it’s too goofy for me, but the point to focus on is how whether they’re being low energy or high energy (there’s a mix of footage in there, Todd is the lowest energy, Julien is the highest), the consistent principles are stuff like self-amusement and understanding how/when to escalate, isolating the girl, pro-actively dealing with obstacles/logistics, holding your frame through shit-tests, leading the interaction, etc.

Also here’s Jeffy’s ride for anyone concerned their car isn’t nice enough to get women lol (“BUT I SAW TEH GOLDDIGGER VIDEO WHERE TEH GIRL ONLY LIKES HIM ONCE SHE KNOWS HE HAS A FERRARI”):

Emotional impact, good or bad (ideally a mix of both). “The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference” and all that.


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Holy shit a Like button lol I can’t even process this…DELICIOUS VALIDATION!!!


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But now how will I determine my self-worth??


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So far not a fan of what I think will end up happening: now instead of just skipping to the last few comments to see what’s been posted, if a comment section is like 8 pages long that means scrolling through every comment for 8 pages to see if there’s a new comment attached to it. I think people will miss entire conversations they didn’t realize were happening on page 4 while they’re having one on page 6 before they also jump to page 8 to see what new comments are there only to see someone say “check what I wrote in reply back on page 2 just now”

That’s my guess at how this’ll play out lol CH’s nested comments work because there’s no multiple pages to them and a lot of them are just little one-off drive-by comments VS the multiple paragraph discussions people leave here. Plus his blog width is wider so there’s less vertical scrolling. And a line down the left side so when you’re reading a comment you can see where it’s responding to easily by following the line up. And each new thread is a different shade that also helps link things together.


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“These same girls will be at the office on Monday and the guy in the cubicle beside them with a crush on them will be txting his buddy “dude I talked to Janice for 10 whole minutes at lunch!! She told me she doesn’t like bars and just stayed in to read by the fireplace this weekend. I think she might let me take her out on a date sometime, do you think this fancy restaraunt is good enough?? I better hit the gym first and wear my finest fitted suit…I hope she likes my expensive condo and lets me have sex with her.”

LOL, yep, God I wish I could video some of my girls on my promos like this.”

Tyler explaining this kind of thing in detail for the guys still trying to swallow the hard reality of seeing this kind of stuff:

It was always around us, guys in the “secret society” knew about it, it’s just that we didn’t have it on video to shove in guys’ faces before lol The field will shove reality in your face until you accept it and adapt.


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@Jeremy @Culum
“That said you need to have *some* value and attraction to them to be able to say stuff like that without coming across as insulting – it depends on the frame and subcomms with which you say it.”

Right. Julien raises his value/attraction with standard PUA DHV stuff (that doesn’t involve “be jacked and rich”) but the main key to note is watch Julien and look at his subcomms…he’s not being “malicious”, he’s self-amusing with zero outcome dependence. Everything is said with an air of joking around and even when he gets serious at points like when he does his “look at you…you REALLY think you could get ME?” stuff where he goes super serious, he puts that pressure on her, then relieves it, with excellent calibration. He’s doing the equivalent of a horror movie making you terrified then giving you a happy ending.

This is why guys fuck up in LTRs…they believe giving a girl bad emotions is “wrong” and they should only give her good emotions. But that completely ignores pure COMMON SENSE OBSERVATION that girls LOVE bad emotions…they don’t necessarily want ONLY bad emotions, but they want a mix of them. It’s GOOD to make your girl cry now and then, and yet if I posted that in a mainstream forum people would call me a monster because of how deep the social conditioning runs.

Here’s Julien from PIMP explaining the concept more in-depth:

Notice how in both infield footages he’s giving them a rollercoaster of emotions, good and bad and ending on a good note (just like how a horror movie or romcom with sad or scary parts ends on a happy ending). The first infield footage he’s acting a lot more serious about telling the girl to fuck off and look how hard she chases when he does it (in the compilations I linked in my last post you can see more of this interaction, he makes the chick get on her knees in the club and beg him for his number (and then when she finally does it he says something like “you’re disgusting, I can’t believe you did that, if you DIDN’T do it I would’ve wanted you but I can’t believe you would do that I’m so unattracted now” AGAIN sending her on a rollercoaster)

…but then notice that he switches gears suddenly into “tell me I look like a greek god” and he’s back to being playful, giving her the relief of good emotions after the dramatic scene he was playing out.

And with the second infield footage he’s almost flat out cruel to this older chick, literally calling her old and just letting the silence hang. And again notice that once she’s qualifying herself enough he just cuts her off and rewards her with good emotions and look at her smile she’s happy as a kitten that’s caught the string.

Again this is stuff that no one would go “this will TOTALLY work” and no self-survey would EVER admit would work and every chick would say “oh maybe some low self-esteem bar slut skank whores would fall for that but my friends I would tell him to fuck off”, and most guys would never experiment with, but Julien pushes the boundaries which is why his products are the ones I recommend for gaming in this huge validation culture where chicks have too many options to bother chasing and flake all the time…these girls have to EARN Julien. Even though he’s just some skinny man-boob’ed schlub in a hoodie and there are way better looking guys around, Julien knows how to make girls chase his validation because he understands attraction and chick-brains.

This stuff works even better on the hotter girls because everyone walks on eggshells around them, everyone is terrified to give a really hot girl “bad emotions”…not just guys, even girls will often walk on eggshells around them. Imagine what that kind of reality is like, where you can tell everyone is being fake around you and holding back what they really think and no one will tell you the truth about yourself or how they feel or your behavior etc.

Then some asshole like Julien comes along, gets up in your face, and makes you feel shit that no one else has ever made you feel except maybe your dad or you’ve seen it in a movie or some badboy you had a fling with or some shit. And on top of it he’s calibrated and leads things forward…why WOULDN’T you fuck him and become obsessed with him? He’s giving you the thing other guys won’t: the rollercoaster of emotional impact that you pay MONEY to experience when you go to the theater.


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@scribblerg
“I had no idea what an ego buffer the soft-sugardaddy stuff was for me, whew.”

That’s the first thing I try to shit on with older dudes. They think they’ve found the secret, just gotta be a sugardaddy to these girls, and it works enough and fits into their already established world view that they solidify it as “this is how you have to game as an old man, this is old man game”…but it’s not because it’s how attraction works, it’s because they picked the path of least resistance and didn’t want to go through the pain period to experiment with other approaches that actually reveal how attraction works. Again it comes down to “guys getting laid VS guys rewiring themselves properly internally”.

Great vid from Julien on being the badass older man CEO if you haven’t seen this one yet, might give you some ideas on frame etc especially his infield experiments at 4 minutes in:

Again he goes out and experiments with it. But most guys won’t, they live in scarcity and when they get a hot girl talking to them they don’t want to risk fucking it up so they won’t push their comfort zones and try stuff that a guy like Julien will do. His story in this clip of experimenting with “badass old fat CEO” frame is what guys should be doing just to see what happens. That’s why we push guys to go out infield regularly, because when you have a lot of options to practice out there you can fuck around and risk losing girls here and there for the sake of building a stronger inner frame…Julien even describes losing girls in his experiment.

“Now I’m face to face with how I don’t see myself as the prize for young hotties and it’s actually funny now.”

The field will shove it in your face till you fix it lol It’s like I say, like you’ve lived a badass life in general, lots of manly shit and all, and if you just LARP’ed in comment sections you could be a super badass like half of the RVF…but at the end of the day none of it matters infield, all that matters is how internally confident you are and how does that reflect in your subcomms? These silly little girls can take a guy who’s climbed mount everest and killed people in a war and reduce him to a self-doubting mess that scurries away with his tail between his legs…that’s why I focus so much on building guys up properly with strong internals instead of just “get ’em laid as fast as possible”, because long-term it’s going to be better for them, especially as they get older. I haven’t done anything manly with my life in comparison to half you guys, but if I get old, fat, disfigured, lose my money, go bald, etc none of it is going to really affect my confidence because it’s internally based.

“I’ve had a few sets where I’ve been doing well, but the second it gets weird and i need to recalibrate or get pushback, I fold. 3 times in a row the other night. But now I can at least see it.”

That’s the first step (well, second technically): Conscious Incompetence. You know you’re fucking up. That alone puts you light years ahead of most guys who will spend their entire life in Unconscious Incompetence. Slow & steady, fix it piece by piece and do your Field Reports and analyses to narrow down sticking points. If you’re watching PIMP now, give SHIFT a look afterward, SHIFT has a lot of good inner game stuff that might help. For an older guy inner game is probably more important than external game because girls don’t expect a lot of inner game from a 21yo guy…that’s WHY they hit on guys a decade older than them like myself, ’cause they EXPECT a guy like me to have a solid internal frame, and they’ll expect that frame to be even MORE solid when I’m 50. Gene Simmons was (till the FI gutted him and he sold out to it lol) a good example of solid older man internals, tho I don’t personally relate to his vibe (I’m a lot more light-hearted).


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“Easy to get the wrong impression that you have to be a club owner or CEO to get laid when you are older from that vid”

Only if you stop listening after the Dre story and miss the part where he experiments with the frame itself ;) His point is that it’s the FRAME that matters. The owner of the club has the right frame because he knows he’s got value there, whereas you might walk into the same exact club but the bouncer was a dick to you and you’re there without a friend and you’re way older than everyone else and you couldn’t get your hair just right tonight etc so you don’t feel as high-value as the owner does. This is why we try to get guys to learn to base their value internally, so that when you walk into that club, against ALL LOGICAL SOCIETAL VALUE SYSTEM STANDARDS THAT YOU DON’T MEET, you feel as confident and entitled as the owner of the club (on some nights where I’m doing short-set method (bouncing from group to group with short interactions), girls ask me flat out if I own the club or am a manager or something lol).

Now the guy who climbs a mountain and fights in a war might have amazing situational confidence in those situations, but throw him in that guy’s nightclub and that confidence isn’t likely to carry over (despite what the keyboard jockeys say). And that nightclub owner would shit a brick in those other situations. But that nightclub owner picked a lifestyle that helps him build the confidence and entitlement, along with a system (using his bouncer to fish for girls), to get top shelf pussy. That’s great, but you don’t HAVE to do that. HE doesn’t even HAVE to do that, he could probably cold approach girls in his club and do just fine, or take them home instead of for a tour of the club and bang them, but he’s lazy and has found a consistent easy method of having his bouncer bring him girls and taking them into his office. All those are though is “social proof” and “isolating”. If you can demonstrate social proof a different way and isolate a different way and you have that guy’s confidence/entitlement, you’ll get the same results. That’s where thinking outside the box comes in and you look at “okay well how can I get social proof like that, and where can I isolate to bang a girl in this bar while she’s still in state?”

“Younger women expect more social status/value from an older man so if you go all court jester, it backfires. Already happened to me, and went against my instincts.”

It’s more about where you’re coming from. You don’t have to be the stoic aloof one-word response serious-face old man…Russell Brand isn’t going to be that lol It’s more about “are you being a court jester (trying to say/do things to impress her or keep her attention (which subcomms that you feel you’re not enough as-is and think she’ll walk away if you stop entertaining her, and she picks up on that and follows your lead because what you feel she feels)) or are you self-amusing (saying/doing those things to make yourself laugh)?”

Most guys who feel lower value than the woman (ie – most older men hitting on younger chicks) go court jester mode because they feel they’re at a deficit and they have to try to “convince” her to stick around. Listen to what Julien’s experiment was like, is he asking the girls to stick around or trying to entertain him? No he’s even doing the OPPOSITE, he’s disqualifying them with shit like “Too young. You can go now.” or “Too indecisive, I don’t hang out with indecisive people.” etc. That’s coming from a frame of “I have way more value than this silly little girl, she’s LUCKY if I ALLOW her to hang out around me, and she’s not even GOOD ENOUGH to GET to be around me”. It’s not specifically his words, it’s his overall frame.

Nightclub owner has the same frame, where these are just silly little girls to him and his value, as the owner of the club, is lightyears beyond theirs. It’s not that you have to own a nightclub, it’s that you have to learn what your ACTUAL value is, by the value system that girls are ACTUALLY attracted to, not society’s blue pill value system of looks and money. Society has spent your entire life trying to convince you you have no value because then you’ll marry a fat 4 who doesn’t put out and you’ll work a shitty job you hate and you’ll buy a bunch of consumer products trying to fix yourself and fit into that value system, because if you realized that just AS A MAN you have inherent value way beyond some silly little girl, society would crumble lol It’s very important that you never view yourself the way the nightclub owner does without owning a nightclub, because if you own a nightclub you’re at least contributing to society.

But if you were just some fucking jobless bum and still viewed yourself as entitled to bang the hottest girls and that mentality spread, it would be chaos for society. We have an unwritten societal rule: you have to earn things and sacrifice yourself for other people’s interests and waste your entire life chasing shit you don’t need and if you manage to do it, THEN you’re ALLOWED to feel like you have value. Until then, you are a fucking WORM. DON’T approach that girl, you aren’t GOOD ENOUGH. You’re a piece of shit. But if you buy our product or earn enough money or wear this suit or get that 6-pack, THEN you MIGHT be allowed to feel like you deserve that girl…until that product is outdated or you start to lose your hair or you gain a few pounds…then BACK TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL FOR YOU, MAGGOT. MAYBE if you claw your way back up, we’ll let you feel good again…like those hot girls who we tell, from birth, they’re special snowflakes and they’re allowed and encouraged by everyone to just feel good all the time because they have a vagina.

Julien’s point is that you should view yourself the way that guy who’s earned all that shit is “allowed” to view himself…because girls don’t actually care if you OWN the nightclub, they care that you have the same subcomms as the guy who DOES, because that implies you have high-value.

“This is why the mentor role works so well.”

Mentor role isn’t a bad thing, as long as it’s not costing you anything and she understands it’s a gift and luxury to be allowed to have that from you (VS you trying to sell it to her) and that when she fucks you it’s because she’s sexually attracted to you and the emotions you give her. But really what is the mentor role when you boil it down? You tell her what to do, you scold her when she’s retarded, you help her grow bla bla. All of that is just leading, emotional rollercoaster, etc. Like it’s a convenient system for delivering some high-value demonstrations, but it’s those high-value demonstrations that are attractive not the mentoring itself.

“Situational value is not necessary to make this work, correct?”

Here’s the mind-fuck: all “situational value” is is giving yourself permission to be entitled/confident like the nightclub owner. We hype it up as this “bartender in his bar” “mountain climber on his mountain” thing, but the reality is what those guys are doing is looking to the environment for permission to feel high-value…so when it’s THEIR situational environment, they feel they have permission to feel high-value…when it’s a different environment, they don’t feel they have that same permission. So ultimately it’s a weaker form of confidence because if their value was internally based they would be “situationally confident” in EVERY situation because they already have permission to be that way.

This is again why I stress building guys up with the right internals and forcing them out of their comfort zones. A lot of early PUAs and newbies in general build their confidence up based on their looks, clothes, money, etc. and it creates a trap where when they don’t have those things they don’t feel entitled to be that same way. That’s what Julien is talking about here when he says to purposely destroy your comfort zones:

Now you can overtly demonstrate that value (aka standard DHV’ing) in various ways, but just having the frame will get you a long way. In Julien’s example, he had enough value by default with just the frame to hold the hot girl for a bit, but to actually get her he had to ramp his value up with more overt DHVs. He probably wouldn’t have to do that for like a 7, but for a really hot girl she might need more DHV’s. But again, there are other ways to DHV besides owning the nightclub…think about it like this: even IF you owned the nightclub, no one KNOWS that…you would have to find ways to make these girls KNOW you owned the nightclub? How would you do that? Well the guy in the story is probably sitting in a private booth, and he probably has a well dressed bouncer-esque guy bring the girl over. Could you duplicate those things yourself? Or DHV in other ways that are equal value to that? I’m not saying pretend you own the nightclub, but like, even THAT guy who owns it still has to find ways to DHV that he owns it and is high-value, and PUA gives you a zillion tools to DHV high-value.

Here’s Tyler and Julien explaining “The Hub”, where they basically create a shitload of social proof in one area (also see the Julien infield at the start for an example of hard emotional impact as he destroys the girl he’s talking to lol, followed by hard leading etc and her actually calling them “sexy” which defies all blue pill logic lol but she’s going by their subcomms and the emotions she’s being made to feel):

The point though, is that you can create value anywhere when you understand what DHV’s are and how to do them. Tyler and Julien are basically doing what the nightclub owner does, having other people bring girls to them. When you get to SHIFT you’ll see Julien’s infield where he merges sets into eachother and skyrockets his value to all the girls, it’s awesome to watch and entirely possible to duplicate when you understand what’s going on and why it works.

“Interestingly, I have situational value at a cafe in town where I know some of the young hotties who work there because I’m friends with, and have done some consulting for the owner. Do I also build situational value when I get to know the staff at venues?”

Ya, but remember value doesn’t mean shit if you can’t display it. If you make out with a 10 you have crazy value to everyone watching, but if you then go into another room none of those girls have seen you make out with that 10. You might carry over some subcomms because you feel like a boss having made out with the 10 in the other room, but like, you’re still going to have to understand how to DHV. When that nightclub owner goes to your cafe, no one knows he owns a nightclub…he might carry some subcomms over but if you’re a regular there it’s likely that you actually have more confidence/entitlement in that cafe than he does. When you understand this dynamic you understand why most guys at the bar stand around in chode crystals scared to do anything, they don’t feel entitled to be that way in that environment especially in a venue where like, they aren’t dressed right or don’t fit in in some way.

But if you can base your value internally so that none of that shit matters, then when you walk into the cafe, the nightclub, etc wearing whatever and feel as entitled as that nightclub owner. That’s why it’s so important…ya you can just “get laid” faster/easier basing your worth on externals, but you’re going to have a weak internal frame in the long-run if you go that route.

“An older guy has to make the girl qualify for him. The “you’re too young”, immature, not experienced etc are key disqualifiers to use early on.”

Yup. The biggest shift for older guys comes when they stop saying “I’m probably too old for you” and start saying “you’re probably too young for me”. That’s when they’re coming from the right frame of “I’M the one with the value, she has to impress ME”. The very fact that you would disqualify a hot girl IS a DHV because only a guy who has an abundance of girls like her would disqualify her…even guys OUT OF HER LEAGUE will chase her and try to qualify themselves to her.

“You have to present as aloof, with amused mastery and also be direct with your approach. Anything less lowers old man value dramatically. Am I tracking or full of shit?”

ehhh, you don’t have to be aloof. You can be very engaging but just disqualify her as a sexual interest based on whatever silly shit. Like, you can demonstrate a ton of value to a little old grandma but you’re not considering her as a sexual option. View it like Clooney, he might shake a lot of hands and be engaging with girls, but he’s not necessarily into all of them, they have to impress him first…it’s not about just being the silent one-word badass (even tho that’s the type of personality Julien chose to run his experiment with because it’s funny to him to just say as little as possible).

And you CAN go direct, but like, indirect is fine too…the old guy who knows everyone and is telling interesting stories etc, she’s going to end up sitting next to you trying to get your attention etc. The problem with direct is it forces her to make a snap judgement…which is okay if you wear your value on your sleeve (like you’re a known celebrity or whatever) or you happen to be her type visually (but even then it’ll be a pretty inconsistent hit or miss numbers game).

Part of why Mystery works the group and ignores his target is that ya ignoring her builds attraction, but while he’s ignoring her to engage her group he’s also giving her the opportunity to OBSERVE his demonstrations of higher value. She sees how he wins over her friends and his social proof and preselection and how he handles shit-tests etc, so then she CHOOSES him and is chasing his attention/validation. I think that’s optimal for an older man, personally.

Right now in the city I moved to I run ice cold approach with zero value “cheats”…I’m purposely not getting to know the staff much, I’m purposely not building a social circle, etc. I just like the challenge lol I’m a Thrill of the Hunt guy so I have more fun building my value from scratch every night using whatever’s around me, than I do just like, socializing with friends and pulling some chick that’s heard about me from a friend of a friend. What I’m doing is probably the least efficient way to get laid, but it’s fun to me and it helps my skills stay sharp because I have to bring the whole arsenal out every night. I can go direct or indirect but I prefer indirect because I’m planning to be single till my late 40s bare minimum (probably longer) so I’m already trying to get good at the type of game I view myself doing when I’m that age.

So when I’m 50 the game I’ll be running is building up my value in the venues, getting to know all the staff and regulars and building social circles, and my method will simply be to go hit those venues and socialize with the people I know, DHV’ing all over the place, and bring random girls into the conversations just in a social way and just being 1% cooler than the other guys and let the girls observe me DHV’ing and then screen them heavily disqualifying them and getting them to chase, then reward them for some arbitrary thing and let them “win” me. VS going direct or still doing cold approach (because I’m already doing my cold approach now). That’s probably the most efficient way to get laid in your 50s without needing a lot of game.

Those girls probably wouldn’t see me standing there by myself and choose me over the other guys in the venue…but the more they observe me DHV’ing, the higher my value rises, until I get to where the manager is, because the manager is shaking my hand and calling me by name and buying me a drink etc. It doesn’t matter if I’m a fat ugly 60yo man, if the smokin hot 18yo bartender runs around her bar to jump on me and hug me and the manager shakes my hand and a shooter girl comes over to hug me, girls will look past my looks even if it’s just to find out who exactly I am…they may interact with me fully guarded like with zero intention of banging me but just wanting to know if I’m someone they should get to know for networking etc purposes…but that’s where all my years of PUA come in, to turn that tiny opportunity into solid Attraction. :)

@Culum
“I don’t like to think of it in terms of what a young girl “expects” because that is falling into HER frame. But yes, a girl who likes a 40-55 year old doesn’t like him because she likes 6 packs (she gets much better ones from 22 year old guys) but because she likes his confidence and frame and experience.”

Right. It’s not that you HAVE to have those things to be attractive, it’s just that like, the reason she’s talking to you instead of her 18yo peers is that she kind of assumes that you’ll have things those guys don’t, like a strong frame and mentoring vibe etc That’s why a lot of old guys can’t GET those girls, because they’re old, ya, but they never really learned anything about themselves because they didn’t go sarge for 10 years, so they have weak internal frames…they have the same shitty internal frame that her 18yo peer has. That’s why I dominate guys in my age range, like, a hot-shot high-energy early 20s young dude is some actual competition for me, I have to bring my A-Game. But other mid-30s guys? I’m almost embarrassed for them…even if they look better than me (which most of them do because they’re in society’s value system that tells them they better lift and have nice clothes ’cause they’re old), I can make them qualify themselves to me and AMOG them and befriend them and play with their frame and show the girls that they have weak frames and just be 1% cooler and less reactive than them and the girls gravitate to me over them. I often joke with my buddies that the other guys in the bar make us look GOOD, but I’m not really joking lol

I’m not saying I’m a god or anything, but like, really LOOK at the mid-30s guys you meet. Most of them are either shit externally AND internally, or look great externally but have shitty weak internals like an 18yo because they’ve never pushed themselves in social situations and around women and fall into the same weak patterns and self-defeating mindsets.

“The mentoring is fine (and I agree with you), but the importnat thing is that it comes from the right frame – you’re not exchanging the mentoring for sex – you’re a hot older guy who turns her on AND can offer mentoring (sort of as if she was hot so you banged her, but she ALSO turns out to be fun to have dinner with as a bonus). ”

Good frame. The sex should ALWAYS be because she’s attracted to you…the exchange she gets for sex is that SHE GETS SEX TOO, from an experienced older man who knows women’s bodies and has a strong dominant frame and shit. SHE IS LUCKY TO FUCK YOU lol Most of those kids with their 6-pack abs have shaking hands when they try to take the girl’s bra off. She’s not with you because of your old man body, she’s with you because you have all those other things that make sex for sex a fair exchange. Anything else you can offer, like mentorship, is a bonus AND she has to EARN it (by being a quality girl, not bringing you drama, having a good attitude, not taking you for granted, etc)

“Situational value always helps. Whether it is “necessary” depends on the exact girl and circumstance, but you will always benefit by having situational value. YaReally’s archive has LOTS on this and he does indeed spend a lot of time getting to know staff at venues – it’s well worth it.”

Right…I can’t think of a situation off the top of my head where situational value DOESN’T help or has a negative impact. So like, chat up those waitresses and bartenders and shit, there’s no real downside to it especially as an older man. I’m doing this ice cold right now because I am a retard who likes the challenge and gets off on walking into a venue as an anonymous nobody and trying to tear it down lol

@imnobodyoo
“The solution: put your faith and your hope in something that is worthwhile, not in a bag of genes ruled by hypergamy. In my case, it was God. For the non-religious, they can try an ideal, a mission. And women? They are only desserts. Enjoy them but don’t give them an importance for which they were not designed.”

Yup. This is what we teach in PUA (and MRAs, MGTOWs, TRP, Manosphere, really everyone teaches this now). Can’t be stressed enough. Your purpose is your purpose…HER purpose is YOU. Or as Patrice O’Neal says it: she LOVES you and you LIKE her.


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@scribblerg @culum
More tips on creating the kind of high value that a nightclub owner would have so that you become the “guy to know” in the room even though you’re just some random dude:

Julien’s SHIFT infield has excellent footage of him executing this merge sets stuff.

In that video he’s describing this documentary thing so you can see the infield he’s talking about (at 6:10, the set starts at exactly 6:16 when the white shirt guy (the future RSD instructor Max in his chode days as a student lol) is shaking the orange hoodie girl’s hand, compare that to what the final set looks like when Julien gets his number):

When you just watch the infield it’s like “oh that’s cool maybe he’s good looking etc” but when you hear him explaining how he’s doing that (merging sets forward) it’s more clear what’s going on and how he ends up with those girls around him (doing a lock-in against the wall, classic Mystery Method, don’t forget these basics they’re important DHVs) and why the girl initiates the phone number exchange (as far as she knows he’s this guy surrounded by girls, why WOULDN’T she want to go party with him?)

Also lol at the reporter guy’s mind exploding watching all of this. That’s basically what guys around us look like when my buddy and I (two very average looking dudes) are doing our thing. Like “wtf is happening?? I wore my nicest shirt that shows off my biceps and these chicks are up on THESE guys?? DUMB DRUNK BAR SLUTS!!!!!” lol

But when you understand the dynamics of social proof and preselection and merging sets and locking in and leaning back and all the little subtle things Julien is doing to DHV, what’s happening makes complete sense.

Here’s some Mystery infield (Mystery with no peacocking):

Listen to the description of the students watching, Mystery and Matador are talking to the bartenders and stuff before they even get fully into the bar. At 1:16 Mystery moves in for a hug, scolds her when she doesn’t hug properly (he’s got an effeminate vibe but he’s still leading the interaction, Julien might say an abrasive “you hug like a grandma” and an aloof laconic old guy might say “what is that, try again.” dominantly, but the point is Mystery is executing the same concepts as a guy who views himself as high-value, but with his own congruent vibe).

But from there, Matador brings girls over, now Mystery is socially proofed to the girl he’s sitting with, and Mystery has locked in which seems like not a big deal at the moment, he’s just sitting there…but when her group comes BACK and Mystery PRO-ACTIVELY brings himself into the set (lots of guys will passively let the girls yap and fade into the background), negs the girl for her social faux pas knowing she can take it, and the whole thing turns into what you see at 2:08 – 2:20 where the girls are touching him and all leaning into him.

Any girl (or guy) who sees THAT scene in a club? THAT guy looks like he’s the owner of the club or as valuable as him. It doesn’t matter that Mystery is just in a normal shirt or that he’s not very high energy (compared to a lot of PUAs who are all over the place, Mystery is pretty calm and lets a lot of silences hang etc) or that he isn’t jacked or if he was 50 it wouldn’t matter (he’s tall, yes, but he’s sitting down and Julien is only like 6′ max, and Tyler and the other guys and myself and my buddies etc can all duplicate this so it can’t be chalked up to “he’s tall”) etc, all people especially women register in their hindbrain is “THIS guy is high-value because he has 3 girls all leaning in chasing his attention…I’m curious what THAT’S about” and once he has them intrigued it’s just running game from there to fan that spark into a bushfire.

But he’s not doing anything that Julien isn’t doing and they aren’t doing anything you can’t do, even if you don’t own a nightclub. This is just understanding the basics of pickup and applying it strategically. :)


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(also it’s important to remember that Mystery doesn’t drink, Julien doesn’t drink, Tyler doesn’t drink, Max doesn’t drink, Todd doesn’t drink, like, the only money you have to spend to do what these guys are doing with merging sets and everything is cover to get into the venue if you live near them and don’t have to pay for travel costs…and if you have a venue with no cover, you can just GO OUT and have hot girls UP ON YOU like this, for FREE, just by understanding the strategy and psychology that PUA teaches…you can do this THIS WEEKEND if you want, it’s all right there in front of you to play with, there’s no barrier to entry)


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@IAS
“It is confusing for me because it looks sexy, but strictly speaking it is an eye shielding behavior, which I think are usually IODs (think covering your eyes with your hand, or even outright turning your back on someone / something as archetype eye shielding behaviors).”

It’s attraction/seduction. Google “slow blink attracted” for a bunch on it. If she was looking away from him or something then it could be an IOD, but if she’s still looking at him it’s some bambi eyes shit lol

Pay attention to how proximity adds to the tension, watch the Richard Laruina vid I mention in that post after the Liam one, his version is more playful but the concept is the same and his explanation adds to Liam’s.

@SJF
“Sure it sucks when a man is with one. But did you ever play golf in a 3 club difference, rainy, cold headwind?”

I keep a BPD chick around just for the practice of learning to handle them. Some nice little <25yo at the bar who throws a little shit-test is child's play after having the BPD chick test my frame like crazy. I literally keep this chick around to keep my frame tight. So I get what you're saying.

But 99.999999% of men are not equipped to handle a BPD chick. They will be sucked into the vortex nightmare from hell those chicks create. Even I have to take a bunch of precautions and keep distance etc to keep her from going full Gone Girl on me but I have a lot of experience and ultimately I'm attracted to a bit of crazy so I need to learn how to handle these kinds of girls 'cause I'll probably end up with one lol But this chick is the extreme end of it. Her entire LIFE, not just her, is a barrel of crazy.

But like I say, I wouldn't recommend that shit to anyone. I have enough abundance that I can peace out on this one at any time with no fucks given and no looking back. Most guys aren't in that situation.

@Camaro
The other guys here know what they're talking about. I'd just add that the only thing worse than being with a BPD chick like that would be paying a good chunk of your salary (alimony and child support) to and fighting over custody with a chick like that. She will run the next guy through the same BPD wringer she's running you through, except she won't marry him because then you'll get off the hook for alimony and you'll be funding the two of them while not being able to see your kids (which might be a good thing because they're going to inherit her BPD shit and she will fully teach them how to false accuse you of shit when they don't get their way because they're too small to hit you but not too small to hurt you).

Get out now before you're locked in for alimony and child support/custody. No idea how old you are but it's VERY common for guys to start their lives "over" in their 40s and 50s now, you're not the creepy old loser to society now. And if you're in your 30s you definitely shouldn't be locked down to this shit. There's another girl that looks and fucks just like her down the street, minus the crazy.

Like Louis CK says at 1:24, get the fuck out while it's easy 'cause it's only gonna get harder and fuck your life up longer:

There's no scenario where you're with this girl and end up happy. She has no reason to change her behavior, no one in society will ever hold her accountable for it, not even you, because if you ever did society would take her side. There is NO LOGICAL REASON why she would ever get better and you would end up happy. You are actually at the HAPPIEST point in your relationship right now, because everything from here will be worse than right now and you'll think back and go "man, I miss those days, I should've gotten out while I could", just like you probably think back to when you two first met and the first signs of crazy came out and how much happier you were back then.

Also watch the movie Gone Girl ASAP. That's your chick.


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Video of Camaro’s wife and future daughter (when you take her iphone away etc) going viral:

This girl will never change her ways because why would she? If she were a little dude he would’ve been knocked the fuck out the second he raised his fists. But this chick is going to face zero consequences. Even if she was charged society will paint her as the victim and she’ll just write it off as “that guy was a faggot or something” and continue being her sparkling shining self.

@Camaro you wanna raise one of these for 18 years? ’cause your wife is demonstrating to you that your daughter is going to be just like her but worse ’cause she’ll be raised BY her.


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(this is also why I walk past crying girls on bar nights lol I have buddies who will see that crying drunk girl sitting on the curb and try to play white knight and find out what’s wrong and help them but I just walk on past like they don’t exist ’cause it’s not worth the potential hassle. If I saw that chick who froze to death I would just close my blinds and maybe call 911 to mention her but I wouldn’t engage her or invite her in to warm up…if she’s walking around in the cold wasted and wearing shorts and no jacket I’m not gonna be the guy who’s apartment she wakes up and freaks out in when she sobers up.

Unfortunately it’s the same thing with kids these days, way too much risk to go help a crying child and risk getting accused of being a pedo trying to kidnap them. Go feminism!)


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@Camaro
Another video of your future:

Also record EVERYTHING. Any interaction that starts to escalate, get your phone out and hit record even if all you can get is audio. And any time you plan to have a conversation that COULD escalate, like telling her you want a divorce or telling her her behavior is unacceptable (lol like she cares) etc, set up the camera to record or keep it on you and record audio at the least. The jurors are gonna wanna see that stuff when she accuses you of beating her etc


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@Andy
“Dude, they murder BABIES!”

Also that. But don’t worry, we’ll excuse them with “it’s just postpartum depression” or a million other excuses and let them off the hook.

Once again I put forth the notion that Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (a growing trend where babies just mysteriously stop breathing and nobody is concerned about this, no autopsy or doctor can narrow down what’s mysteriously happening where babies just stop breathing and this isn’t viewed as some kind of plague crisis or some shit) is just chicks who regret having their kid or panic about the actual long-term realities of how hard raising a kid will be, holding a pillow over their face in the middle of the night as they make an emotional decision in the moment, and doctors etc can tell but just don’t want to say it because it goes against the Women Are Wonderful narrative and if it was widespread husbands would be murdering their wives and society would crumble because men wouldn’t risk having kids with women or marrying or we’d need some kind of 24 hour watch or something and society would be fucked.

And yet we can watch how callously women can treat a man or other woman who they don’t care about or have 180’ed their feelings on, but the Women Are Wonderful narrative says they would NEVER do that to their own baby. Cue the image of the motherly woman nursing her newborn.

Then imagine this Uber chick or the spazzing-in-the-car chick or Camaro’s chick having a newborn baby and resenting it for fucking up her body and being an inconvenience and keeping her awake all night and costing money and not being as cute as she thought etc…

But hey maybe I’m just a crazy conspiracy kook lol

P.S. The drunk girl in the first vid I linked with the Uber driver is a neurology student. They’re not just dumb white trash crazy bitches off Jerry Springer that do this stuff. Even Camaro’s lawyer (or whatever) wife can be bat-shit crazy. But crazier would be staying in the relationship.

P.P.S. Camaro’s also an example of what I meant when I was talking about how society doesn’t want men to realize their value. If he understood that he has value as a man and with a little practice at pickup he could go out and get a better girl, he would bail on her. Instead social conditioning has him convinced that he thinks he’s such a worthless piece of shit that he can’t do better than her so he’ll stay with her and pop out babies and work himself to the bone to generate income to pay for them or to pay the alimony/child support etc and society will continue to function off his back till he offs himself to escape and no one will give it a second thought because men are disposable. Society WANTS you to feel like shit, it helps everyone…except YOU lol


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@redlight
“This is like the Walking Dead’s Michonne and her pet walkers”

lol btw her (female of course) therapist has convinced her it’s HEALTHY for couples to fight and that couples who don’t fight are hiding something. Which she’s taken to mean “just make shit up to fight about all the time”. She gets off on fucking after a fight, of course. But in this day and age where there are ZERO consequences for her taking it too far, it’s too risky a gamble to get involved with.

@SJF
“My friend is frequently identified as on par with the most interesting man in the world type of man.”

Your friend is an anomaly with the resources to survive a BPD chick. 99.999999% of guys will be FUCKED for life from it.

@scribblerg
“I do think one should always be wary of diagnosing anyone based on the internet.”

It doesn’t matter if she’s ACTUALLY BPD, like to medical standards or whatever. The point is she is CLEARLY FUCKING CRAZY, because she’s demonstrating that she’s clearly fucking crazy. And he is CLEARLY not equipped to handle it because he’s clearly not handling it or he wouldn’t be here.

I had a buddy who’s first GF turned out to be like that and I was just like man, I feel bad for you because you have no idea you’ve stepped on a landmine as your first GF and you’re going to learn it the hard way. And he did…spent a year under court-ordered curfew waiting for the case (him “abusing” her aka she made shit up and stood in the doorway so he couldn’t leave and told the cops he hit her when he called them etc dude is still scarred for life from spending the weekend in jail and the whole year long shitshow) to go to trial before she finally dropped the charges because she was full of shit.

If he had a kid with her (which he will soon, ’cause she’ll try to get preggers when she senses he wants to bail), then like ok MAYBE try to figure out some way to make that shit work and fix her. But right now he can get the fuck out scott-free with minimal loss and move on to better shit. This is exactly the type of chick who will put him through the same parental alienation you went through if he has kids with her, because she WILL cheat on him (if she isn’t already, which would surprise me) and he WILL end up divorced or separated down the road but with way more on the line.

He doesn’t NEED to fix this. He has no stakes in this. He doesn’t need to understand her. He can get the fuck out and THEN talk to a therapist and describe how she acted and understand her. But GTFO while he can.


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@Andy
“Also, they can have a VERY normal, and actually quite personable and charming facade. Which is why they can manipulate therapists, judges, juries, anyone really. Like, personally I think even @YaReally is fucking crazy for associating with one. And I’m a huge fanboi.”

Oh it’s 100% a bad idea. I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. But I also very thoroughly understand the risks etc and have taken precautions so that she can’t affect my actual life. She’s in another part of the country so 99% of it is just text stuff. If we were in the same city it would be a lot riskier lol I sure as shit would never LIVE with her. That would be fucking crazy.


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While we’re on the subject of guys having their Blue Pill reality obliterated, here’s a suuuuper oldschool video from like the pre-The Game days (thus the potato quality). Loverboy, an asian PUA made this to help inspire other guys who get into PUA:

All you gotta do is go out and take control of your life.


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@Camaro @all

Here comes a big one, enjoy lol:

BTW we call them Cluster-B girls rather than just BPD because there’s a bunch of disorders or whatever involved and generally the nuances of which parts and pieces she has don’t matter much…it’s all a barrel of crazy that guys should run away from lol

DISCLAIMER: None of the following is implying in any way that any guy, especially one IN one of these relationships, should attempt to learn how to handle these girls…you can’t learn to tame a lion when it’s already gnawing your leg off. GTFO and stay away from the lion den entirely if you can.

That said, for the sake of the knowledge-base of how human psychology and shit works:

If you have a REALLY rock-solid frame, you can handle a lot of this stuff. A lot of that crazy behavior is based on her just having a need for positive and negative emotions (the full rollercoaster). When you, trying to be a good boyfriend following the Blue Pill Disney script, only give her positive emotions, she gets antsy the same way you would if the only movies you were allowed to watch were happy ones where nothing goes wrong and everyone is just happy and pleasant all the time…over time you would start to crave the negative emotions of a good thriller or horror movie or just SOMETHING to make you feel alive. Like I say, we pay money to experience this when we go to the theater. Dread game and flirting with a waitress in front of your girlfriend is giving her minor drama and we accept that they need this sometimes. Cluster-B chicks are often just a really extreme version of this, like they want that rollercoaster more frequently than other girls and want it to go higher and lower than other girls need it to go to scratch that itch. That’s why they’re I LOVE YOU AND CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT YOU AND I’LL KILL MYSELF IF YOU LEAVE ME one minute and I FUCKING HATE YOU YOU RUINED MY LIFE I WISH YOU WERE DEAD the next minute…they’re craving just a really extreme rollercoaster. There’s probably faulty wiring in their brain, but like, their behavior isn’t “random” and “unpredictable” when you understand this concept.

When you look at those videos I posted through that frame, all that Uber chick is trying to do is get SOMEONE to smack her down, ideally an alpha male who puts her in her place and then fucks the shit out of her as the climax to her emotional rollercoaster (that’s why the Uber chick’s subcomms come off as her needing to get fucked). She’s creating drama because no one will give it to her (if the driver smacks her down, 50 white knights kill him or he goes to jail etc). And because no one will stop her, she just keeps escalating it. In the second video with the crazy car ride chick, again the guy won’t give her the drama she’s craving so she just creates it. Their home life is probably a LOT like that car ride where he’s just chill and she’s flipping her shit because she wants drama but has married a guy who doesn’t provide or get sucked into it. So again her behavior escalates.

In the olden days, guys wouldn’t take this shit. They would smack the chick down and fuck the shit out of her for acting up. See Clint Eastwood in that rapey scene in that one movie that I’m too lazy to go YouTube search for. There was a time where the chick acting up would GET that smackdown and fucking she needs and then she’s purring like a kitten in love with you because she’s on the other extreme end of the rollercoaster. And there are certain types of guys who can handle a relationship with those girls because they will just go Clint Eastwood on her ass, or enjoy the drama themselves etc.

The problem is society in 2016 is structured in such a way that any guy who tries to give these girls the smack-down they’re demanding will face massive consequences, immediate AND long-term. So guys are kind of neutered, like that Uber driver who can’t do anything about her destroying his car. Because guys can’t do anything to stop it, the behavior escalates. And even if a guy DOES something, he would have to trust that he calibrates it perfectly and the girl doesn’t get mad at him in the future etc and doesn’t decide to say it was rape and press charges. So like that Clint Eastwood move would PROBABLY have the girl purring like a kitten happy she’s found a “real man” afterward, but that’s a MASSIVE gamble in 2016 and more likely he would be fucked himself…or even worse she would love it and he falls into a false sense of security but then one day he wants to leave her and THAT’S when she goes full crazy on him.

Then on top of that guys have no idea about any of this shit, and are brought up on Women Are Wonderful Disney Blue Pill thinking and they get involved with these girls expecting the best of other human beings, and because the sex is great lol And the girl hides her crazy long enough to get him fully invested so that it’s harder for him to bail, and any slip-ups she makes he’ll brush off or talk himself out of thinking are legit because he’s in scarcity and believes in True Love and all…but once she knows he won’t leave (which he demonstrates by forgiving and further committing to her after she’s shown some crazy, or by not leaving when she shows some crazy signs and excusing it etc for her), she starts letting out more and more crazy, especially because the boyfriend is trying to make things work and he’s focusing on “if I just give her good emotions maybe she won’t be like this” because Blue Pill conditioning has convinced him to take the actively wrong action of “happy wife, happy life” appeasement to try to solve it. He sees a lashing out of negative emotions and thinks “Disney told me women only want good emotions so I’ll make sure she always only feels good emotions” (meanwhile we ignore the whole movie theater thing that’s staring us all right in the face).

On top of THAT, society tells men we’re worthless so usually these girls are hot and these guys are in scarcity and think they can’t get another girl. And they’re following the Blue Pill script of “if I give her good emotions maybe she’ll settle down”, so they further commit to these girls and next thing you know they’re married to them maybe with kids and now they’re REALLY locked in and she can REALLY go full-tilt crazy mode because she instinctively knows he can’t leave so it’s safe to let the whole shitshow out. And even a guy who was holding his frame at the start, when it’s day in and day out constant crazy eventually that guy gets worn down by it.

And then to top it off most guys never study pickup and learn anything about shit-tests or handling crazy chicks and drama, so they’re just not equipped for this. I have the reputation among my friends of “give YaReally the crazy bitch in the group” because they scare my buddies but I eat them for breakfast. They’ll see us interact and go back and forth with drama, or I’ll send screencaps of our conversations and they’re just like “holy shit that chick is going to kill you in your sleep” but because I understand the psychology of what’s going on those girls are generally purring kittens for me and I keep them at a far enough distance that I’m able to walk away with minor consequences/risk (compared to the guys who actually DATE them).

So add all that up and now you’ve got a chick who’s craving an exceptional level of negative emotions and drama, legally tied to and living with a guy who’s determined to only give her good emotions and feels too worthless to leave her, and EVERYONE in society will take her side in everything (except in Red Pill forums like this) and he’ll get gas-lit into believing it’s his fault etc etc etc

Fucking nightmare situation, a recipe for disaster and the “solutions” are part of what’s causing the “problem”.

So what’s the solution? Aside from keeping a wide berth which is what you SHOULD do.

But again for the sake of the knowledge-base:

One funny way to handle them is to do exactly what she’s doing, back to her. When my crazy chick tries to pick a fight, I just bring up (or make up lol) a time SHE slipped up and turn things back around on her to switch it from me being on the defensive to HER being on the defensive as fast as possible…either one feeds her need for drama and an emotional rollercoaster. Us guys get caught up in “but she’s mad about this specific thing” or “but she says she’s going to kill herself” etc, because we’re logical…the same way we get caught up in “but what did you SAY to her when you picked that girl up??” because we aren’t looking at the subcommunication of what’s going on. Just like how in pickup it doesn’t really matter to her what the words you two are saying are, the Cluster-B isn’t ACTUALLY mad about the thing she’s coming to you upset about, and she isn’t ACTUALLY thinking of killing herself (unless you let that shit go on and escalate for so long that she knows she can prevent you leaving by an “attempt” (that somehow is timed so you save her just in the nick of time, funny how that goes) to kill herself).

So in a WAY you could boil this down to just a massive form of shit-testing, which I know will rub guys who’ve dated these girls the wrong way because that sounds like such a belittling summary of what was a hugely traumatic period of their life. But most of the guys who’ve dated those girls were in that “unequipped to handle it, didn’t notice the signs till it was too late, following the wrong script to try to fix it, too invested to walk away” etc stage I described above. A good example is to check my archives for walawala’s adventures with his crazy bitch last year(?). I was able to help coach him through it because for him it was way over his head seemingly random shit, but for me it’s like “ok now she’s doing this, so do this in response” etc. Human behavior isn’t unpredictable, Coca Cola doesn’t just throw billions of dollars at marketing groups on a whim…but it benefits society for women to be SEEMINGLY impossible to understand because that’s how you get roped into long-term commitment with these chicks and work your job and pop out babies and keep society going even if you’re miserable (don’t worry, you can numb yourself with Netflix and drugs and booze and videogames etc).

So she may come at me with something like “I know you were fucking that bitch on NYE”. Most guys will try to appease this and defend themselves and try to turn it into good emotions like “baby I told you I haven’t talked to her in months I was with my buddies”…but I know when I get a text like that that she needs a fix of drama so I’ll just feed it to her over the top and try to put her on the defensive because I know she doesn’t ACTUALLY think/know/care that I was with some other girl, she’s subcommunicating that she needs drama, so if I give her ANYTHING to claw at, she’ll go for it because it’s the drama she’s after more than the specific thing she’s talking about. I could respond with something like “no I’m seeing her tomorrow”, but that keeps the focus on her attacking me which escalates fast. What I want to do is turn it around so that SHE’S on the defensive (like running from a house cat that’s clawing at you VS stepping into it…running triggers it’s “this is prey” instinct and it chases you and escalates things, but stepping into it forces it to abort it’s attack and go on the defensive).

So instead I’ll reply with something like “wtf do you care you were too busy sucking dick all night to even txt me a happy new year at midnight. thanks for not giving a fuck about me” It doesn’t even really make sense, but she doesn’t care about a logical conversation/discussion (which is why you can’t smooth over these fights (except when she’s gotten enough drama and will forgive you but then she brings it up again in another fight)). All she cares about is the emotions and the rollercoaster ride. A response/accusation like this puts her on the defensive which is still drama so generally she’ll jump on it and respond with something like “you didn’t txt ME happy new year either! you were too busy with your bar skanks”

A lot of guys will see that and think “I have to smooth this over” and respond with like “my phone died I swear, I wasn’t even at the bar I told you I was with Bob and Joe all night, we were playing poker, I txted you as soon as I found a plug-in for my phone” But she doesn’t WANT appeasement, she doesn’t WANT the negative emotions to end because that’s WHY she’s picking this fight, to go on the rollercoaster, so that kind of response will usually just get her picking MORE of a fight like “ya right you always say that, you don’t even care about me I should just kill myself you wouldn’t even be sad if I did” etc and the guy, trying to smooth things over and only give her good emotions, will send something like “baby I love you, don’t hurt yourself okay? are you okay? do you want me to come home? I love you so much” etc

But I would instead be responding something like “i didn’t txt cause I wanted to see if you actually gave a shit and would txt me. guess only one of us cares about this relationship. your new years resolution should be to quit whoring around with David from your office i know you two have been fucking behind my back” Again this kind of thing is flipping it around to put her on the defensive…and since what she’s after is just an emotional rollercoaster drama ride, her being on the defensive is just as good as her being on the offensive, as long as she gets her drama fix, just like when you go to a movie whether the main character wins or dies you come out of the theater satisfied with your purchase because you paid money to experience a rollercoaster of emotions. Braveheart has a fucking horrible depressing ending, but damned if that’s not a good movie.

Because I’m turning things around on her to put her on the defensive, instead of ending up down the “her getting more and more mad at me and coming up with more and more stuff to be mad about and escalating to threatening to kill herself”, I’ll get a response like “omg i was at home drinking wine with my girlfriends I wasn’t even with another guy and I’m not fucking David he just flirts with me” to which I’ll keep things going with something like “ya and you lead him on. you’re lucky I even come home to you with the way you treat me I can’t believe I thought you loved me” and I’ll start slowly turning things toward forgiving her for a completely made up thing, which is the climax/resolution of the movie and gets her down the path of responding with stuff like “I DO love you but you don’t appreciate me enough” and from there we’re out of the danger zone and into pretty easy shit-testing. She’s got her drama fix, I’ve helped send her on an emotional rollercoaster ride of extreme negative and positive emotions, and if we’re in the same room that’s where I would just throw her down and fuck her, or via txt I’ll just handle the rest of the easy tests till we’re back to normal and she’s telling me she loves me.

And if she needs a BIG rollercoaster I’ll often just accuse her of something and then go radio silent for a while. Like “hard to appreciate a girl who I SAW out at lunch with David on Monday and is now LYING to me about it” and then go radio silent while she sends a bunch of “that wasn’t me omg you’re delusional” and “you’re too controlling I need a man who isn’t so jealous” and “I might as well just kill myself you don’t even care about me” and “wow you don’t even care I thought so” that fills my phone but gets no response. Often she’ll end up solving her own problem once she realizes the rollercoaster ride is over and then she’ll send me cute funny stuff trying to get me to response (see “rolodex” in my archive for walawala’s adventures with that, basically she’ll try a bunch of different stuff to get my attention, and whatever I respond to is what she learns “this is how to get his attention”…so when you respond to the “I’ll kill myself” stuff that teaches her that the way to get your attention is to threaten to kill herself which most guys won’t ignore and guess how that one turns out in the long-run lol, but when you only respond to when she’s trying to be cute etc (as she goes through her rolodex of methods), she learns that calming down and being cute is the way to get your attention back once you go radio silent after a rollercoaster ride).

Note that at no point in these fights am I ACTUALLY worked up. I’m actually lol’ing half the time when I’m in these exchanges because I know what’s going on. I know I’m just feeding her what she needs. SHE’S worked up, but I’m actually just txting in-between making a sandwich or taking a dump or whatever.

So TECHNICALLY these girls CAN be handled…but 1) it’s not worth it (despite the sex lol), 2) it takes a LOT of work and can be very emotionally draining, I know guys who will read my text exchanges and are drained just from READING them because it’s like “holy shit how can you deal with this”, and 3) do you want to do this for the REST OF YOUR FUCKING LIFE? lol like it’s fun here and there, but imagine 40 years of having to purposely engage fights and have all this drama and if you slip up once it escalates…some guys are wired to handle that naturally but they’re a very small minority and are taking a huge risk in 2016 with all the legal shit on the girl’s side, and 99.9999% of guys would get worn down FAST, which would cause things to escalate into full “kill myself” territory. I know I sure wouldn’t want to deal with this chick living with me and us having DAILY fights at home AND in public etc like fuck that, that’s not a happy life to me lol Also this stuff is dancing on the brink of the Grand Canyon…like, when you escalate the fight on purpose, if you fuck up you’ve just made the consequences that much higher. Like getting a dog overly excited playfighting with him, if you wear him out safely he’ll chill out and calm down from exhaustion but if he DOES bite you he’s going to bite 10x as hard because you riled him up. And if you have a dog who NEEDS some playfighting and has energy to burn off (Cluster-B girl) but you keep it in a small room with no windows or room to run around or toys to fuck with etc (a guy who’s trying not to upset her), that dog is going to start biting at people because it doesn’t know what to do with all the energy it has…that’s why the Dog Whisperer guy gets people putting those dogs on a treadmill and shit so they can burn off that energy. This is a similar concept.

Now that all said, understand that the main chick I keep around for learning purposes is in another part of the country from me and I’m not legally tied to her and she only knows minimal information about my life (in terms of being able to destroy my career or whatever with false accusations) so while I also have experience with these chicks in-person (including this one), the majority of what I’m doing with her is all via txt/phone so I’m relatively safe. I’ve got a rabid pitbull chained to a tree in my yard and I keep my distance out of the reach of it’s jaws when I go feed it lol

But what exactly is my situation doing based on the stuff I just wrote about why guys get fucked over by these chicks? I have distance which means things can’t physically escalate. I have a bit of anonymity with her so I can let things escalate without a lot of worry about consequences. I’m using txt/phone primarily with her so I can walk away from the conversation at any point with no worries. I’m not legally tied to her in any way and mentally I’m not invested in her because I go do pickup with other girls etc so while we’ve known eachother for a few years I have no oneitis for her or anything. And I KNOW that she’s damaged and unfit to be longterm settle-down LTR material, let alone a legal wife, let ALONE a baby mama to my kids who would be just as batshit crazy as she is and would all team up with her against me as I get older and my frame gets weaker. Like I KNOW that’s a recipe for disaster.

I also know that if we have these fights in person, there’s an almost 100% chance that they’ll escalate to her blocking the door and/or hitting me or throwing things at me, cops being called, maybe even a LEGIT fake staged suicide attempt etc and I would be in for a nightmare. So I don’t put myself in that situation…if we hang out it’s in public, or I secretly record us if it’s in private, I use game to snuff a lot of her attempts to pick fights out before they escalate, I feed her SAFE drama on my terms so she can get her fix but it’s drama about silly shit to me like I’ll let another girl’s name show up on my phone etc.

I do this stuff partly to understand it and partly because I like girls who are a little chaotic. My day to day is pretty boring so a girl who’s a little emotional like that is fun for me, and I find they tend to be pretty feminine which I like (really this is just kind of a severe extreme end of being incredibly feminine and rolling with her emotions in the moment and needing extreme emotions, VS like a stoic masculine energy). So I figure if/when I settle down it’ll end up being with a girl who’s more drama than my buddies would want, but much less drama than this chick is lol

But this chick, like SJF’s golf analogy, is training for handling other girls who give me drama. Because this chick is the far end of the spectrum, so when some silly 21yo at the bar gives me a little drama/shit-test that shit just bounces off like bullets off Superman’s chest because I’ve “trained” with this crazy chick (and others before her, but she’s my main one).

That’s why I can explain all this shit lol

Again I’m not suggesting that Camaro should stay in his relationship and try to fix it…he’s already WELL past the stage where she knows she has him by the balls and can let the full crazy out. The lion’s gnawing his leg off already, he needs to GTFO. But I wanted to document this stuff for discussion purposes and just to have the information out there because I hate brushing off sections of human behavior as just “crazy” or “random”. I think everything we do can be explained and even predicted with a pretty high degree of accuracy if we can understand all the factors involved and look for patterns.

The stuff I just described falls completely in line with what we already know and accept and understand about shit-tests and girls’ need for emotional rollercoasters and how society ties men’s hands in dealing with them and even how children push boundaries until someone enforces them etc. So I’m not bringing anything super controversial to the table, all I’m describing is an extreme version of concepts we already understand…but to guys who’ve been through these Cluster-B situations up close and personal I understand if there’s some “it’s not that simple man, trust me” pushback (just like avoiding parental alienation can’t be that simple trust me etc, it’s our natural urge to feel like our particular situation is special and way more complicated than other people could possibly know)

@scray
“Naturals spout TBP shit all the time and still slay effortlessly. Why? They have such a strong inner core and frame that it doesn’t matter.”

My only caveat to that would be that when those Naturals come out of their poon-slaying period and want to settle down, they are extremely unequipped for the realities of an LTR and a LOT of them revert to Blue Pill LTR-chode mode because they believe they should treat their girlfriend different than they treat “those bar sluts” because they picked her thinking she’s a unicorn and have the Blue Pill madonna/whore complex. So in the end a LOT of them get bitten hard or get sucked into a BPD situation trying to fix the situation in a “happy wife, happy life” way because of their Blue Pill beliefs.

The Naturals who keep their Red Pill attitudes despite having a Blue Pill belief system about LTRs/marriage/kids/etc are VERY rare, ESPECIALLY if they get hooked by a BPD.

@Forge
“but no-one has any clear evidence and specific theories about how this could happen abound”

This is the biggest red flag to me. That there aren’t teams of people working on solving this 24/7…no one seems to really give a shit. Because I think they already KNOW the answer. But it’s too fucked up to publicize, just like false rape accusations and divorce-rape etc TOTES NEVER HAPPEN GUISE when everyone knows a few guys who’ve had them happen to them. Blue Pill guys have a hard time accepting that girls can act like the ones in that Julien vid I posted where he’s making fun of other girls for being fat, or like the Uber girl etc…imagine telling them “btw you’re working your whole life to save up for that wedding to your unicorn, but she might just snuff your kids out while you’re asleep, and actually for a lot of you she actually DID all those tears she shed were crocodile tears just like when the Uber girl apologizes, women are capable of this fucked up behavior (and the Red Pill can explain a lot of it)”

“Not nearly enough to draw strong conclusions, but I think that suspicion is unfortunately not at all ridiculous.”

I would love for it NOT to be true. And I haven’t really looked into any of the research…I’m just going by what I know about human behavior and chick psychology. It’s not really THAT big a leap when you’ve seen women do super fucked up shit and hamster rationalize accountability etc away and how effortless it is for them. But I would be burned at the stake for suggesting any of this at like a dinner party with Blue Pill people lol


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“YaReally seems to believe that one cannot contemplate the subject without becoming insecure about it or invested in it.”

I’ve said no such thing. You’re lumping everyone you disagree with together, I very purposely don’t make personal attacks like that in these discussions because your dick size is irrelevant to whether the points you’re making are accurate or not.

“I was just curious. It gets a bit tiring to be lectured to for the wrong reasons.”

You were lectured to because you shit-posted nonsense that muddies the point I’m trying to make and lurkers are looking for an excuse to dismiss what I’m saying so they can keep their shitty socially conditioned mindsets that will hold them back from progressing as far and fast as they potentially could.

You don’t get to poke the bear and then play the victim card when the mean ol’ bear rips into you. Take some responsibility for your actions, even YOU admit you shouldn’t have posted that shit.

@everyone
Reposting from an AVFM comment…it was 2 years ago tho, and my views on Elam/AVFM aren’t the same anymore with all the in-fighting between the groups he’s helped perpetuate since then but my views on the communities in general are still the same:

“I also think the in-fighting is silly and counter-productive and is really a result of each community being too xenophobic to really study the other communities in-depth and understand what they’re about.

Here are how the groups actually function:


MHRAs – “society blows, let’s raise awareness of that and work to change society for a better future for men in this generation and the next ones”

MGTOWs – “society blows, let’s just go do our own thing and avoid dealing with it entirely”

PUAs – “society blows, let’s figure out how to prosper within its fucked up rules and discuss it in our undergroud society that draws the hardcase men in”

Manosphere – “society blows, PUAs are right, but let’s present their concepts in a more palatable way that a more general mainstream audience/man can digest”

TRP – “society blows, let’s make everyone aware of it and shove it in their faces without trying to be politically correct”

And here are how the groups snipe at eachother because they don’t really understand eachother’s purpose or teaching:


MHRAs – losers who don’t get laid and just whine and complain all day and have been burned by women

MGTOWs – losers who don’t get laid and are scared of women

PUAs – losers who don’t get laid but are obsessed with chasing pussy and secretly hate women

Manosphere – losers who don’t get laid but are obsessed with chasing pussy and secretly hate women

TRP – losers who don’t get laid and openly hate women

Like this article says, we all want the same outcome: men being able to choose their path in life and find their purpose independent of what society tries to socially condition them into choosing. We want men to have the freedom of choice, in everything from their day-to-day life to their careers to their relationships. Each community focuses on a different aspect of that, and some parts overlap, but some communities are more palatable to a mainstream audience than others.

Take the issue of men getting destroyed in divorce and family courts:


MHRAs – “this sucks, let’s try to get the laws changed so men aren’t treated so unfairly”

MGTOWs – “this sucks, I’m avoiding women, marriage, etc. altogether, fuck that!”

PUAs – “this sucks, fuck a bunch of women before you tie yourself down to one so you’re doing it because you choose her, not because you don’t have other options”

Manosphere – “this sucks, spend enough time around a variety of women so you can make sure you’ve found a quality one and can make a logical risk assessment on settling down” (same message as PUA but worded nicer lol)

TRP – “this sucks, here are like 20 articles/videos/links of women cheating on their husbands, look at this shit!! Don’t pretend this doesn’t happen!”

We all agree it sucks, and the end goal of all the communities is men not ending up getting divorce-raped or having their kids taken away from them by crazy women or the courts.

It’s really this simple, there shouldn’t be fighting between the groups since the mainstream and Feminists want us all wiped out. But they can’t wipe us out…all of these communities formed because there are problems in society and men were looking for solutions. Whichever solution resonates with you, that’s cool, do your thing, I hope it works out for you. Some of us want to change society so we or our sons can one day enjoy life, some of us want to withdraw from it and focus on doing our own thing and enjoy our current lives, and some of us like to flirt with women and get laid but keep them at a distance so we can continue to enjoy our lives.

Whether you agree with what PUAs teach or not, right now there are a ton of Elliot Rodgers out there with no guidance on how to be a man, how to be attractive to women, or how to get their lives together and succeed in modern society. Feminism and the mainstream media have no solutions for these men…they hope they can just brush them under the rug and they’ll vanish. But they won’t disappear, they’re real men and they’re frustrated because they don’t have any solutions. Each of the communities tries to help these guys in their own way and provide them some kind of roadmap to surviving and ideally prospering in modern society:


MHRAs – being a man in today’s society is tough, we’re trying to change society so men like you don’t get duped and taken advantage of

MGTOWs – being a man in today’s society is tough, we’ll show you how to be happy doing your own thing

PUAs – being a man in today’s society is tough, we’ll show you how to meet women and get laid

Manosphere – being a man in today’s society is tough, we’ll show you how to understand women and avoid traps

TRP – being a man in today’s society is tough, here are a bunch of examples, get your head out of the sand and figure out how you’re going to deal with this

In conclusion, I’ll offer this advice which all of our communities are slowly figuring out and can apply (and I’m thankful to see Paul has this mindset already): We will never ever ever convince Feminists or the Mainstream to agree with us head to head. That’s a losing battle. None of us will ever go on The View or debate with some Feminist on a news segment and have them go “You know what? You make some good points, I’m changing my opinion and agreeing with you now!” It doesn’t matter if we have rock-solid facts, it doesn’t matter if we use our real names, it doesn’t matter if we wear a nice suit…we will never win that way.

The victories are in spreading the information and truth as far as possible in any way possible, because for every news segment, interview, smear campaign, protest, slandering article about what a monster Paul is, etc. that 1,000 men see, a small handful of those men are going to resonate with what we’re all trying to explain about how the world works and that handful of men is going to wait till no one’s around and search out our communities and start reading and they’re going to say “I know this goes against everything society has ever taught me, but wow, this really makes sense and explains things that I or my male buddies have been through…these answers make SENSE.” And over time, year after year, we’ll slowly grow in numbers until we ARE the mainstream and society is forced to change because we’re finally big enough to have a voice. A Voice For Men. Oooo, see what I did there? lol”

It always comes as a surprise to me to see the communities fight with eachother. Personally I don’t see anything wrong with goosfraba wrote at 6:41am. If someone doesn’t want to metaphorically own a pitbull because they’re convinced owning one is more trouble/risk than it’s worth and they don’t want to invest the time/effort in learning to safely own/train a pitbull, and they can get their pitbull-owning needs fulfilled by like, videogames or renting one for a few hours or whatever, I don’t think it’s an optimal long-term strategy for the majority of men who have a natural urge to own a pitbull and will end up not having the self-restraint to avoid dabbling with one but like, I don’t need to shit on him. He’s making a rational decision that serves his current best interests based on the current data he has, and as long as he’s happy day-to-day that’s fine with me. I’d rather he goes MGTOW and enjoys his life than stays on the plantation or tries to own a pitbull when he doesn’t want to.

You can’t teach game to someone who doesn’t REALLY want to learn it…I’m sure a lot of MGTOWs would benefit from learning some game, so that if they DO decide (or are forced) to interact with women at all in their lives they’re well-prepared to navigate that in an optimal way, but like, it’s hard to get guys who WANT to learn pickup to stick with it and put in the time/effort…let alone a guy who sees no real benefit to it. Badgering him isn’t going to change anything.

The main MGTOWs who should be studying some PUA/TRP stuff are the ones who still date but are running what’s basically FB/harem game (she can come over to fuck you as long as she doesn’t break any of your rules and if she breaks any then she’s out, which is basically what I do, omg am I MGTOW?? lol), because they are dabbling in dating without really understand chick-psychology which with the particular dynamics that that “my way or the highway” FB/harem system creates is putting themselves at a VERY high risk of creating a lot of Buyer’s Remorse in those chicks which puts them at a very high risk of False Rape Accusations and long-term drama/angry-chick-vengeance etc It’s like someone handling a gun without any training, they might NOT have an accident in 40+ years of carrying that gun around but they’re taking a pretty big risk and it would be silly to avoid looking into gun safety guidelines out of some limiting ego-based “they’re from another community those pussy-obsessed losers ewww” mindset, just as it would be silly for a bunch of Manosphere/TRP/PUA guys to avoid looking into MGTOW discussion out of the same “they’re from another community those pussy-fearing losers ewww” limiting mindset.

Like Bruce Lee said: Absorb what is useful, discard what is not. Learn from everywhere.


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“YaReally seems to believe that one cannot contemplate the subject without becoming insecure about it or invested in it.”

I’ve said no such thing. You’re lumping everyone you disagree with together, I very purposely don’t make personal attacks like that in these discussions because your dick size is irrelevant to whether the points you’re making are accurate or not.

“I was just curious. It gets a bit tiring to be lectured to for the wrong reasons.”

You were lectured to because you shit-posted nonsense that muddies the point I’m trying to make and lurkers are looking for an excuse to dismiss what I’m saying so they can keep their shitty socially conditioned mindsets that will hold them back from progressing as far and fast as they potentially could.

You don’t get to poke the bear and then play the victim card when the mean ol’ bear rips into you. Take some responsibility for your actions, even YOU admit you shouldn’t have posted that shit.

@everyone
Reposting from an AVFM comment…it was 2 years ago tho, and my views on Elam/AVFM aren’t the same anymore with all the in-fighting between the groups he’s helped perpetuate since then but my views on the communities in general are still the same:

“I also think the in-fighting is silly and counter-productive and is really a result of each community being too xenophobic to really study the other communities in-depth and understand what they’re about.

Here are how the groups actually function:


MHRAs – “society blows, let’s raise awareness of that and work to change society for a better future for men in this generation and the next ones”

MGTOWs – “society blows, let’s just go do our own thing and avoid dealing with it entirely”

PUAs – “society blows, let’s figure out how to prosper within its fucked up rules and discuss it in our undergroud society that draws the hardcase men in”

Manosphere – “society blows, PUAs are right, but let’s present their concepts in a more palatable way that a more general mainstream audience/man can digest”

TRP – “society blows, let’s make everyone aware of it and shove it in their faces without trying to be politically correct”

And here are how the groups snipe at eachother because they don’t really understand eachother’s purpose or teaching:


MHRAs – losers who don’t get laid and just whine and complain all day and have been burned by women

MGTOWs – losers who don’t get laid and are scared of women

PUAs – losers who don’t get laid but are obsessed with chasing pussy and secretly hate women

Manosphere – losers who don’t get laid but are obsessed with chasing pussy and secretly hate women

TRP – losers who don’t get laid and openly hate women

Like this article says, we all want the same outcome: men being able to choose their path in life and find their purpose independent of what society tries to socially condition them into choosing. We want men to have the freedom of choice, in everything from their day-to-day life to their careers to their relationships. Each community focuses on a different aspect of that, and some parts overlap, but some communities are more palatable to a mainstream audience than others.

Take the issue of men getting destroyed in divorce and family courts:


MHRAs – “this sucks, let’s try to get the laws changed so men aren’t treated so unfairly”

MGTOWs – “this sucks, I’m avoiding women, marriage, etc. altogether, fuck that!”

PUAs – “this sucks, fuck a bunch of women before you tie yourself down to one so you’re doing it because you choose her, not because you don’t have other options”

Manosphere – “this sucks, spend enough time around a variety of women so you can make sure you’ve found a quality one and can make a logical risk assessment on settling down” (same message as PUA but worded nicer lol)

TRP – “this sucks, here are like 20 articles/videos/links of women cheating on their husbands, look at this shit!! Don’t pretend this doesn’t happen!”

We all agree it sucks, and the end goal of all the communities is men not ending up getting divorce-raped or having their kids taken away from them by crazy women or the courts.

It’s really this simple, there shouldn’t be fighting between the groups since the mainstream and Feminists want us all wiped out. But they can’t wipe us out…all of these communities formed because there are problems in society and men were looking for solutions. Whichever solution resonates with you, that’s cool, do your thing, I hope it works out for you. Some of us want to change society so we or our sons can one day enjoy life, some of us want to withdraw from it and focus on doing our own thing and enjoy our current lives, and some of us like to flirt with women and get laid but keep them at a distance so we can continue to enjoy our lives.

Whether you agree with what PUAs teach or not, right now there are a ton of Elliot Rodgers out there with no guidance on how to be a man, how to be attractive to women, or how to get their lives together and succeed in modern society. Feminism and the mainstream media have no solutions for these men…they hope they can just brush them under the rug and they’ll vanish. But they won’t disappear, they’re real men and they’re frustrated because they don’t have any solutions. Each of the communities tries to help these guys in their own way and provide them some kind of roadmap to surviving and ideally prospering in modern society:


MHRAs – being a man in today’s society is tough, we’re trying to change society so men like you don’t get duped and taken advantage of

MGTOWs – being a man in today’s society is tough, we’ll show you how to be happy doing your own thing

PUAs – being a man in today’s society is tough, we’ll show you how to meet women and get laid

Manosphere – being a man in today’s society is tough, we’ll show you how to understand women and avoid traps

TRP – being a man in today’s society is tough, here are a bunch of examples, get your head out of the sand and figure out how you’re going to deal with this

In conclusion, I’ll offer this advice which all of our communities are slowly figuring out and can apply (and I’m thankful to see Paul has this mindset already): We will never ever ever convince Feminists or the Mainstream to agree with us head to head. That’s a losing battle. None of us will ever go on The View or debate with some Feminist on a news segment and have them go “You know what? You make some good points, I’m changing my opinion and agreeing with you now!” It doesn’t matter if we have rock-solid facts, it doesn’t matter if we use our real names, it doesn’t matter if we wear a nice suit…we will never win that way.

The victories are in spreading the information and truth as far as possible in any way possible, because for every news segment, interview, smear campaign, protest, slandering article about what a monster Paul is, etc. that 1,000 men see, a small handful of those men are going to resonate with what we’re all trying to explain about how the world works and that handful of men is going to wait till no one’s around and search out our communities and start reading and they’re going to say “I know this goes against everything society has ever taught me, but wow, this really makes sense and explains things that I or my male buddies have been through…these answers make SENSE.” And over time, year after year, we’ll slowly grow in numbers until we ARE the mainstream and society is forced to change because we’re finally big enough to have a voice. A Voice For Men. Oooo, see what I did there? lol”

It always comes as a surprise to me to see the communities fight with eachother. Personally I don’t see anything wrong with goosfraba wrote at 6:41am. If someone doesn’t want to metaphorically own a pitbull because they’re convinced owning one is more trouble/risk than it’s worth and they don’t want to invest the time/effort in learning to safely own/train a pitbull, and they can get their pitbull-owning needs fulfilled by like, videogames or renting one for a few hours or whatever, I don’t think it’s an optimal long-term strategy for the majority of men who have a natural urge to own a pitbull and will end up not having the self-restraint to avoid dabbling with one but like, I don’t need to shit on him. He’s making a rational decision that serves his current best interests based on the current data he has, and as long as he’s happy day-to-day that’s fine with me. I’d rather he goes MGTOW and enjoys his life than stays on the plantation or tries to own a pitbull when he doesn’t want to.

You can’t teach game to someone who doesn’t REALLY want to learn it…I’m sure a lot of MGTOWs would benefit from learning some game, so that if they DO decide (or are forced) to interact with women at all in their lives they’re well-prepared to navigate that in an optimal way, but like, it’s hard to get guys who WANT to learn pickup to stick with it and put in the time/effort…let alone a guy who sees no real benefit to it. Badgering him isn’t going to change anything.

The main MGTOWs who should be studying some PUA/TRP stuff are the ones who still date but are running what’s basically FB/harem game (she can come over to fuck you as long as she doesn’t break any of your rules and if she breaks any then she’s out, which is basically what I do, omg am I MGTOW?? lol), because they are dabbling in dating without really understand chick-psychology which with the particular dynamics that that “my way or the highway” FB/harem system creates is putting themselves at a VERY high risk of creating a lot of Buyer’s Remorse in those chicks which puts them at a very high risk of False Rape Accusations and long-term drama/angry-chick-vengeance etc It’s like someone handling a gun without any training, they might NOT have an accident in 40+ years of carrying that gun around but they’re taking a pretty big risk and it would be silly to avoid looking into gun safety guidelines out of some limiting ego-based “they’re from another community those pussy-obsessed losers ewww” mindset, just as it would be silly for a bunch of Manosphere/TRP/PUA guys to avoid looking into MGTOW discussion out of the same “they’re from another community those pussy-fearing losers ewww” limiting mindset.

Like Bruce Lee said: Absorb what is useful, discard what is not. Learn from everywhere.


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Also when I talk about MGTOW I’m generally picturing the chill ones who’ve just made a logical “you girls do your thing over there and I’ll do mine over here” decision and are otherwise enjoying their life, moreso than the ones with the super-“fuck those harpy bitches I hope they all burn in hell”-rage lol And that’s just for those men’s own mental health, because holding onto that much anger long-term can fuck a person up. In the PUA community we put a lot of focus on letting go of anger/resentment (“read some Tolle, bro!”), not to white knight women but just ’cause it’s a lot easier to enjoy life when you aren’t triggered into rage-mode at the mention/sight of women.

I mean, these guys seem pretty content…they just have their nice simple drama-free life, doing their own thing. I don’t see any reason to berate them:

Once VR-porn etc becomes decent I’d imagine a large number of men will decide it’s “close enough” and check out. I’m curious to see what happens down the road, maybe every bar will have a 10:1 ratio of women to men lol I’m sure it won’t be great for society, but as a PUA I just work within the system I’m given.

As much as I love women, I don’t even really see a big benefit to female friendship like having women in your life 24/7. To me women are mainly for sex. There’s no brilliant advice or insights on life a solipsistic chick who lives in a COMPLETELY different reality from men, is going to give me lol I like their feminine energy (as long as they’re the bubbly positive type, which I screen for, which is why I stick to the <25yo crowd) and have low expectations for what they bring to the table (just be fun to be around, as a break from any stress in my career etc).

But when I'm older if I decide I definitely don't want kids (or I have kids and separate from their baby mama for whatever reason), I don't see a reason why I wouldn't be happy with having my own place, a career I enjoy that keeps me living comfortable, hobbies to focus on, a dog for companionship/unconditional-love, a few good male buddies for friendship/intellectual discussion, and fuckbuddies/porn. Seems like a pretty content life to me and isn't all that different from the life I live right now as a PUA who doesn't want an LTR lol

But I might be over-simplifying why everyone hates MGTOW here and missing the point, I'm just skimming the comments 'cause work is picking up again. At a glance though, it comes across as kind of pointless group-bullying that I'm surprised to see here.


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Also when I talk about MGTOW I’m generally picturing the chill ones who’ve just made a logical “you girls do your thing over there and I’ll do mine over here” decision and are otherwise enjoying their life, moreso than the ones with the super-“fuck those harpy bitches I hope they all burn in hell”-rage lol And that’s just for those men’s own mental health, because holding onto that much anger long-term can fuck a person up. In the PUA community we put a lot of focus on letting go of anger/resentment (“read some Tolle, bro!”), not to white knight women but just ’cause it’s a lot easier to enjoy life when you aren’t triggered into rage-mode at the mention/sight of women.

I mean, these guys seem pretty content…they just have their nice simple drama-free life, doing their own thing. I don’t see any reason to berate them:

Once VR-porn etc becomes decent I’d imagine a large number of men will decide it’s “close enough” and check out. I’m curious to see what happens down the road, maybe every bar will have a 10:1 ratio of women to men lol I’m sure it won’t be great for society, but as a PUA I just work within the system I’m given.

As much as I love women, I don’t even really see a big benefit to female friendship like having women in your life 24/7. To me women are mainly for sex. There’s no brilliant advice or insights on life a solipsistic chick who lives in a COMPLETELY different reality from men, is going to give me lol I like their feminine energy (as long as they’re the bubbly positive type, which I screen for, which is why I stick to the <25yo crowd) and have low expectations for what they bring to the table (just be fun to be around, as a break from any stress in my career etc).

But when I'm older if I decide I definitely don't want kids (or I have kids and separate from their baby mama for whatever reason), I don't see a reason why I wouldn't be happy with having my own place, a career I enjoy that keeps me living comfortable, hobbies to focus on, a dog for companionship/unconditional-love, a few good male buddies for friendship/intellectual discussion, and fuckbuddies/porn. Seems like a pretty content life to me and isn't all that different from the life I live right now as a PUA who doesn't want an LTR lol

But I might be over-simplifying why everyone hates MGTOW here and missing the point, I'm just skimming the comments 'cause work is picking up again. At a glance though, it comes across as kind of pointless group-bullying that I'm surprised to see here.


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@Roused
“Males have to work this one man at a time.”

And do you think the way people have been handling the discussion (justifying it through “we’re just men scrapping a bit, no biggie” as always) is productive in any way to reaching any of the men that come here? Have any of the MGTOWs who’ve read this thread had their opinions changed by the flip-your-shit style of “debate” this comment section is taking?

’cause from what I see skimming this, Tim came here with a perfectly reasonable calm rational presentation of his side of things and now he’s in the “fuck you burn in hell you fucking cunt piece of shit”. Is he just some bipolar psycho? Or are the people “debating” him maybe not approaching “working this one man at a time” in an optimal fashion and maybe there’s a better way to make our points than resorting to acting like 14yo’s name-calling and fighting instead of relying on actual discussion and making solid points.

MGTOWs aren’t retarded, I’m sure many of them are open to discussion. But I don’t think “discussion” is what many people are engaging them with. We know shaming language is the tool of the FI, so why are we sitting here trying to badger MGTOWs with it instead of simply making rational logical points and trusting that, if they see logic that resonates with them, they’ll look into other communities to see what else they can apply to their life, while also trusting that they may simply have different priorities in their lives. I’ve met some asexual dudes, and I’ve met guys who’ve been beta/virgin long enough that they’ve come to just accept that they’ll probably be alone most if not all their lives and have found other ways to fill those voids and are happy that way. I probably would have been the latter if I hadn’t found PUA.

The resources will still be there if they change their mind later, and they’ll probably be a lot more likely to give them a glance if/when they need them if we’ve presented a rational argument instead of “fuckin loser MGTOW virgin pussies what a bunch of faggots who don’t do anything with their lives, not like us, WE’RE the best, we strive to be the ultimate alpha male bros you can’t play with the big dogs then get out of here you losers booya fist-bump ego ego ego”

It’s great that everyone here is working on themselves, but I think a lot of people forget just who’s out there and going to be seeking help when they get to college:

When you create an environment where “hey bro, you wanna be around here you better step up ’cause we’re all rough & tumble you fucking pussy, you better not participate in the comment section ’cause if you say one wrong thing 5 of us are going to fuck you up the ass with our alpha bro’ness”, you’re basically pushing all these guys towards MGTOW because why the fuck would they want to listen to your message or participate in discussion?

Like the one guy said: why all the surprise there are MGTOWs here, MGTOW was mentioned in the article? Here they are, here’s your chance to convince them. If you don’t think they can be convinced, cool, don’t bother replying or simply state that or consider posting your points for the lurkers who are on the fence looking at both sides. I know that half of what I say isn’t going to actually be accepted by the person I’m writing to, but I know there are lurkers who aren’t as invested in either side of things who can be swayed by what I’m writing if I make solid points.

What’s going on here doesn’t seem to be real productive, I have a feeling Tim and the other MGTOWs here aren’t going to be leaving saying “you know they made some good points”. I mean, if the point of this is to actually reach men (and lurkers) rather than create an RVF neomasculinity club where anyone who isn’t toeing the line immediately or doesn’t necessarily know how to interact with other men and their wolf-cub playfighting shit, should just be doggy-piled and burned at the stake.

…but what do I know, I’m just some asshole on the internet tone-policing everyone lol I’d bet there are a handful of lurkers who were nodding their head as they read this comment though and who don’t post because they’re scared to get shit on by the “cool kids” who want to “toughen them up” when they’re still in the “not accepted by society and looking for a welcoming community” stage..


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@Roused
“Males have to work this one man at a time.”

And do you think the way people have been handling the discussion (justifying it through “we’re just men scrapping a bit, no biggie” as always) is productive in any way to reaching any of the men that come here? Have any of the MGTOWs who’ve read this thread had their opinions changed by the flip-your-shit style of “debate” this comment section is taking?

’cause from what I see skimming this, Tim came here with a perfectly reasonable calm rational presentation of his side of things and now he’s in the “fuck you burn in hell you fucking cunt piece of shit”. Is he just some bipolar psycho? Or are the people “debating” him maybe not approaching “working this one man at a time” in an optimal fashion and maybe there’s a better way to make our points than resorting to acting like 14yo’s name-calling and fighting instead of relying on actual discussion and making solid points.

MGTOWs aren’t retarded, I’m sure many of them are open to discussion. But I don’t think “discussion” is what many people are engaging them with. We know shaming language is the tool of the FI, so why are we sitting here trying to badger MGTOWs with it instead of simply making rational logical points and trusting that, if they see logic that resonates with them, they’ll look into other communities to see what else they can apply to their life, while also trusting that they may simply have different priorities in their lives. I’ve met some asexual dudes, and I’ve met guys who’ve been beta/virgin long enough that they’ve come to just accept that they’ll probably be alone most if not all their lives and have found other ways to fill those voids and are happy that way. I probably would have been the latter if I hadn’t found PUA.

The resources will still be there if they change their mind later, and they’ll probably be a lot more likely to give them a glance if/when they need them if we’ve presented a rational argument instead of “fuckin loser MGTOW virgin pussies what a bunch of faggots who don’t do anything with their lives, not like us, WE’RE the best, we strive to be the ultimate alpha male bros you can’t play with the big dogs then get out of here you losers booya fist-bump ego ego ego”

It’s great that everyone here is working on themselves, but I think a lot of people forget just who’s out there and going to be seeking help when they get to college:

When you create an environment where “hey bro, you wanna be around here you better step up ’cause we’re all rough & tumble you fucking pussy, you better not participate in the comment section ’cause if you say one wrong thing 5 of us are going to fuck you up the ass with our alpha bro’ness”, you’re basically pushing all these guys towards MGTOW because why the fuck would they want to listen to your message or participate in discussion?

Like the one guy said: why all the surprise there are MGTOWs here, MGTOW was mentioned in the article? Here they are, here’s your chance to convince them. If you don’t think they can be convinced, cool, don’t bother replying or simply state that or consider posting your points for the lurkers who are on the fence looking at both sides. I know that half of what I say isn’t going to actually be accepted by the person I’m writing to, but I know there are lurkers who aren’t as invested in either side of things who can be swayed by what I’m writing if I make solid points.

What’s going on here doesn’t seem to be real productive, I have a feeling Tim and the other MGTOWs here aren’t going to be leaving saying “you know they made some good points”. I mean, if the point of this is to actually reach men (and lurkers) rather than create an RVF neomasculinity club where anyone who isn’t toeing the line immediately or doesn’t necessarily know how to interact with other men and their wolf-cub playfighting shit, should just be doggy-piled and burned at the stake.

…but what do I know, I’m just some asshole on the internet tone-policing everyone lol I’d bet there are a handful of lurkers who were nodding their head as they read this comment though and who don’t post because they’re scared to get shit on by the “cool kids” who want to “toughen them up” when they’re still in the “not accepted by society and looking for a welcoming community” stage..


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Very few guys have people in real life we can discuss the red pill with, so it’s understandable that for those guys this place would become a haven and kind of a club and the regulars become more regular and start feeling like they own the place and it feels good to have buddies (even ones you scrap with) that are all on the same page with this stuff.

But don’t forget there are a LOT of men at various stages in their lives looking for resources to help them figure out what that itch they can’t seem to scratch that something’s wrong in society is, and TRM is a fucking fantastic resource for them to stumble upon. But I haven’t seen a lot of new names posting around here lately and I think it would help for everyone to step back and ask “do I really NEED to reply to this comment? Is this going to be productive or add anything to the discussion? Can the point I’m making be made in a more palatable way for someone who’s lurking and trying to figure all this shit out? Do I need to reply to Emily and Kitten with a 10 page cunt-rant? Do I need to join the doggy-pile on this MGTOW guy? Do I need to add that one last jab at the end of my comment that I know he’ll react to because I just want to pick a fight?”

If I was a random dude looking for help and I read this comment section I wouldn’t go near MGTOW *OR* red pill stuff because everyone is coming off like a bunch of over-reactive teenagers…I’d go “man all these guys are just bottling up their rage” and go right back to the blue pill or purple pill to find answers.


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Very few guys have people in real life we can discuss the red pill with, so it’s understandable that for those guys this place would become a haven and kind of a club and the regulars become more regular and start feeling like they own the place and it feels good to have buddies (even ones you scrap with) that are all on the same page with this stuff.

But don’t forget there are a LOT of men at various stages in their lives looking for resources to help them figure out what that itch they can’t seem to scratch that something’s wrong in society is, and TRM is a fucking fantastic resource for them to stumble upon. But I haven’t seen a lot of new names posting around here lately and I think it would help for everyone to step back and ask “do I really NEED to reply to this comment? Is this going to be productive or add anything to the discussion? Can the point I’m making be made in a more palatable way for someone who’s lurking and trying to figure all this shit out? Do I need to reply to Emily and Kitten with a 10 page cunt-rant? Do I need to join the doggy-pile on this MGTOW guy? Do I need to add that one last jab at the end of my comment that I know he’ll react to because I just want to pick a fight?”

If I was a random dude looking for help and I read this comment section I wouldn’t go near MGTOW *OR* red pill stuff because everyone is coming off like a bunch of over-reactive teenagers…I’d go “man all these guys are just bottling up their rage” and go right back to the blue pill or purple pill to find answers.


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@kfg
“But not Tim, who entered by flipping his shit”

He didn’t enter by flipping his shit. His first posts look very calm and rational. He may not have been open to having his opinion changed but there’s no reason for everyone to have escalated things to the equivalent of monkeys flinging poo at eachother, especially when everyone here is studying the red pill where controlling your emotions is like, red pill 101. And if Tim was the one who escalated shit, there’s no reason for people to engage that and goad it into a CH-style flamewar.

@Forge The Sky
You say:

“It only really becomes an issue when men sell themselves short on what they can achieve.”

then you say:

“I agree that condemning a person for their priorities is kinda pointless.”
“I have a job that I love that pays the bills, but I don’t make bank on it and I’m not furiously trying to make more money”
“I live in my own small house”

You don’t see your double-standard here? Should I be kicking your ass because you aren’t trying to be a fortune 500 CEO in a mansion? You’re selling yourself short on what I’ve decided you can and should achieve. Or do I trust that you’re intelligent enough to have decided on your priorities and know that if you want to become a fortune 500 CEO there are resources available to you to look at, but if you choose a less-achieving job that makes you happy then that’s cool. I might present some arguments in favor of the fortune 500 CEO life to try to appeal to you, but how well do you think I would do at convincing you to quit your job and chase the CEO mansion life if I just called you an underachieving loser and picked a fight?

“At the same time, sometimes when you just kick someone’s ass in a comment it inspires them to strive for more.”

And how does that appear to be going?

“Sometimes I think redpill can be a bit quick to assume that’s what’s going on when someone goes MGTOW.”

Agreed…while I’m sure there’s a large part of MGTOW that IS simply “I don’t know how to succeed so I’m going to just label it as MGTOW so I can feel like it’s my choice” (the same way guys on the TRP reddit forums go “monk mode” which is bullshit ego-protection pain-avoidance half the time). But I’d say it’s hard to really hear what the other side is saying when it’s all “MGTOW losers this MGTOW bitter failed virgins that” when they come by to try to defend themselves in an article that mentions them.

“So it’s not gonna rack up tens of thousands of views like some dude ranting about how much women suck might, which is the only really passionate thing you get in MGTOW.”

I don’t disagree, but we wouldn’t want to be judged by the “fuck all women, they’re stupid cunts let’s just trick them into bed and make them PAY for rejecting us!!!!” anger-stage red pill guys, we’d rather have a discussion with people viewing our community where we can present our points. But when it’s one of the other communities it’s like hey fuck them I saw some angry vids and I don’t need to hear them out or have a rational discussion that might benefit lurkers deciding what path to follow…MRAS are just bitter divorced losers who don’t do anything, MGTOWs are just pathetic virgins who don’t know what they want!

Like I say half the time I post I know I’m not going to convince the person I’m talking to, just like on an MSM program I wouldn’t bother thinking I can convince Oprah that TRP is a good thing…the point is to reach the guys who are looking for information and set an example of what following that path can achieve. Calling Oprah a dumb cunt isn’t going to do anything useful and is kind of a waste of a platform if I actually have rational points to make…no one is coming over to my side watching that, except the guys already there and a portion of the guys who might’ve looked into my side will be going “wow this guy is flipping his shit, I don’t want to be like him” just like we look at Roosh and laugh at neomasculinity because no one wants to be like Roosh.

I just personally expect better from a community of guys who are working on self-improvement and learning not to run around with flailing wild emotions thinking they’re in “AMOG battles” online (with men AND women (wtf?)) anymore than the kids on some World of Warcraft forum are in “AMOG battles” with eachother over the new +5 Broadsword they found.

Ya, Emily was a troll and that Kitty chick is just doing the standard red pill woman pattern…we all know that, it’s clear as day. Do we need to engage that shit and bring this place down to CH level, or are we trying to get more men to the discussion table to help spread the word and get them off the plantation? Why am I scrolling through pages of garbage like “your husband is a beta you stupid whore” and “look at her personal blog and twitter page bla bla” every fucking comment section lately lol What even IS that shit??

“I defer to Rollo on how hot he wants his kitchen.”

It’s not my blog, so everyone can feel free to ignore me. But there’s a very different tone to the comment section these days than there was like 6 months ago when I started posting here as CH went to shit, and it’s been a lot less intellectual and a lot more “I’m angry and comfortable here so I’m just going to use this place to vent that anger and take it out on people I don’t agree with, and then claim I’m just AMOG’ing like men do bro!!!”

“@Tim was not going to be convinced to change his fundamental position.”

I’d say that’s pretty clear to everyone. So why engage him? Or rather, why engage him past the point where things start to heat up? Why not make your points for the lurkers/newbies to consider and then disengage? Or why not simply disengage instead of throwing those last personal jabs in to keep the poo flying? Not singling anyone in particular out. Same with the female commenters. We know they aren’t going to change, so why does every female comment get 10 replies trying to convince them of shit or argue with them or bitch them out?

“From what I’ve read this site is not the place to spend time at if your mission is hating women.”

You wouldn’t guess that from the comment section when one of these chicks speaks up. If you look through my posts here the last 6 months or so I don’t think I’ve engaged any of the women except I think that one old blogger chick from a while back but even that was just rationally discussing the content she was writing.

Like, are we just here to build a clique or is this place still supposed to help new guys unplug?

“Even much of what you write doesn’t appear to be for men that hate women. Does PUA work well for men that see themselves as victims?”

We make them go out infield to sarge and collect positive reference experiences first-hand. Same way you might take someone who’s scared of or hates spiders and let a spider crawl on their hand to show them that it’s not as bad as they imagined. By getting them to leave their comfort zones and gain some control over their life they start seeing themselves less as victims and start gaining conscious competence over the world around them. There’s a tendency in the Manosphere to dwell or let other men dwell in the anger stage and make an identity out of it, that’s why the Manosphere has this shitty hostile edge to it that I don’t think it realizes it has and that edge is why the bigger PUA communities don’t even really read or talk about Rollo’s or CH’s or Roosh’s stuff…there’s too much negativity in the Manosphere for them to spend time in it.

I’m basically one of the few PUAs that doesn’t mind sifting through the negative shit and actually hangs out in the Manosphere, and I do it primarily to clear up misconceptions about PUA…I can pretty much guarantee that if I wasn’t here constantly CTRL-F’ing “PUA” and “YaReally” to clear shit up, CH and this place would have a circle-jerk over “those stupid PUAs think this and this it’s all scams and I heard they teach this and that” just like everyone does with MGTOWs and MRAs. My first post to CH was in an article where he was making fun of a solid PUA routine lol

The main difference between the PUA community and the MRA/Manosphere/MGTOW is that those communities spend way more time shitting on the other communities than PUA does. PUA is just doing its thing trying to unplug men and get them out there fixing their shit. I think PUAs would benefit from checking out MRA/Manosphere/MGTOW content to round out their understanding of the world, but TRM is probably the only solid resource out there that I would actually send any of them to and I’d hate to see that change.

“even if the majority of people here are being rational and more patient like you and others are, it only takes one or two people to upset a new visitor and have them get turned off. Aren’t we all responsible for our motivation?”

That’s why I’m not flat-out scolding anyone in particular and like I say it’s not my blog. I’m just dropping a reminder that this is one of the few places I would actually send (and have actually sent) newbies to learn about this shit…it would be nice to be able to send them here without having to say “but uhhh, skip the comment section” and hope that it doesn’t turn them off a blog that could have been literally life-saving for them if a few adult males studying self-improvement had a bit more control over their emotions.


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@kfg
“But not Tim, who entered by flipping his shit”

He didn’t enter by flipping his shit. His first posts look very calm and rational. He may not have been open to having his opinion changed but there’s no reason for everyone to have escalated things to the equivalent of monkeys flinging poo at eachother, especially when everyone here is studying the red pill where controlling your emotions is like, red pill 101. And if Tim was the one who escalated shit, there’s no reason for people to engage that and goad it into a CH-style flamewar.

@Forge The Sky
You say:

“It only really becomes an issue when men sell themselves short on what they can achieve.”

then you say:

“I agree that condemning a person for their priorities is kinda pointless.”
“I have a job that I love that pays the bills, but I don’t make bank on it and I’m not furiously trying to make more money”
“I live in my own small house”

You don’t see your double-standard here? Should I be kicking your ass because you aren’t trying to be a fortune 500 CEO in a mansion? You’re selling yourself short on what I’ve decided you can and should achieve. Or do I trust that you’re intelligent enough to have decided on your priorities and know that if you want to become a fortune 500 CEO there are resources available to you to look at, but if you choose a less-achieving job that makes you happy then that’s cool. I might present some arguments in favor of the fortune 500 CEO life to try to appeal to you, but how well do you think I would do at convincing you to quit your job and chase the CEO mansion life if I just called you an underachieving loser and picked a fight?

“At the same time, sometimes when you just kick someone’s ass in a comment it inspires them to strive for more.”

And how does that appear to be going?

“Sometimes I think redpill can be a bit quick to assume that’s what’s going on when someone goes MGTOW.”

Agreed…while I’m sure there’s a large part of MGTOW that IS simply “I don’t know how to succeed so I’m going to just label it as MGTOW so I can feel like it’s my choice” (the same way guys on the TRP reddit forums go “monk mode” which is bullshit ego-protection pain-avoidance half the time). But I’d say it’s hard to really hear what the other side is saying when it’s all “MGTOW losers this MGTOW bitter failed virgins that” when they come by to try to defend themselves in an article that mentions them.

“So it’s not gonna rack up tens of thousands of views like some dude ranting about how much women suck might, which is the only really passionate thing you get in MGTOW.”

I don’t disagree, but we wouldn’t want to be judged by the “fuck all women, they’re stupid cunts let’s just trick them into bed and make them PAY for rejecting us!!!!” anger-stage red pill guys, we’d rather have a discussion with people viewing our community where we can present our points. But when it’s one of the other communities it’s like hey fuck them I saw some angry vids and I don’t need to hear them out or have a rational discussion that might benefit lurkers deciding what path to follow…MRAS are just bitter divorced losers who don’t do anything, MGTOWs are just pathetic virgins who don’t know what they want!

Like I say half the time I post I know I’m not going to convince the person I’m talking to, just like on an MSM program I wouldn’t bother thinking I can convince Oprah that TRP is a good thing…the point is to reach the guys who are looking for information and set an example of what following that path can achieve. Calling Oprah a dumb cunt isn’t going to do anything useful and is kind of a waste of a platform if I actually have rational points to make…no one is coming over to my side watching that, except the guys already there and a portion of the guys who might’ve looked into my side will be going “wow this guy is flipping his shit, I don’t want to be like him” just like we look at Roosh and laugh at neomasculinity because no one wants to be like Roosh.

I just personally expect better from a community of guys who are working on self-improvement and learning not to run around with flailing wild emotions thinking they’re in “AMOG battles” online (with men AND women (wtf?)) anymore than the kids on some World of Warcraft forum are in “AMOG battles” with eachother over the new +5 Broadsword they found.

Ya, Emily was a troll and that Kitty chick is just doing the standard red pill woman pattern…we all know that, it’s clear as day. Do we need to engage that shit and bring this place down to CH level, or are we trying to get more men to the discussion table to help spread the word and get them off the plantation? Why am I scrolling through pages of garbage like “your husband is a beta you stupid whore” and “look at her personal blog and twitter page bla bla” every fucking comment section lately lol What even IS that shit??

“I defer to Rollo on how hot he wants his kitchen.”

It’s not my blog, so everyone can feel free to ignore me. But there’s a very different tone to the comment section these days than there was like 6 months ago when I started posting here as CH went to shit, and it’s been a lot less intellectual and a lot more “I’m angry and comfortable here so I’m just going to use this place to vent that anger and take it out on people I don’t agree with, and then claim I’m just AMOG’ing like men do bro!!!”

“@Tim was not going to be convinced to change his fundamental position.”

I’d say that’s pretty clear to everyone. So why engage him? Or rather, why engage him past the point where things start to heat up? Why not make your points for the lurkers/newbies to consider and then disengage? Or why not simply disengage instead of throwing those last personal jabs in to keep the poo flying? Not singling anyone in particular out. Same with the female commenters. We know they aren’t going to change, so why does every female comment get 10 replies trying to convince them of shit or argue with them or bitch them out?

“From what I’ve read this site is not the place to spend time at if your mission is hating women.”

You wouldn’t guess that from the comment section when one of these chicks speaks up. If you look through my posts here the last 6 months or so I don’t think I’ve engaged any of the women except I think that one old blogger chick from a while back but even that was just rationally discussing the content she was writing.

Like, are we just here to build a clique or is this place still supposed to help new guys unplug?

“Even much of what you write doesn’t appear to be for men that hate women. Does PUA work well for men that see themselves as victims?”

We make them go out infield to sarge and collect positive reference experiences first-hand. Same way you might take someone who’s scared of or hates spiders and let a spider crawl on their hand to show them that it’s not as bad as they imagined. By getting them to leave their comfort zones and gain some control over their life they start seeing themselves less as victims and start gaining conscious competence over the world around them. There’s a tendency in the Manosphere to dwell or let other men dwell in the anger stage and make an identity out of it, that’s why the Manosphere has this shitty hostile edge to it that I don’t think it realizes it has and that edge is why the bigger PUA communities don’t even really read or talk about Rollo’s or CH’s or Roosh’s stuff…there’s too much negativity in the Manosphere for them to spend time in it.

I’m basically one of the few PUAs that doesn’t mind sifting through the negative shit and actually hangs out in the Manosphere, and I do it primarily to clear up misconceptions about PUA…I can pretty much guarantee that if I wasn’t here constantly CTRL-F’ing “PUA” and “YaReally” to clear shit up, CH and this place would have a circle-jerk over “those stupid PUAs think this and this it’s all scams and I heard they teach this and that” just like everyone does with MGTOWs and MRAs. My first post to CH was in an article where he was making fun of a solid PUA routine lol

The main difference between the PUA community and the MRA/Manosphere/MGTOW is that those communities spend way more time shitting on the other communities than PUA does. PUA is just doing its thing trying to unplug men and get them out there fixing their shit. I think PUAs would benefit from checking out MRA/Manosphere/MGTOW content to round out their understanding of the world, but TRM is probably the only solid resource out there that I would actually send any of them to and I’d hate to see that change.

“even if the majority of people here are being rational and more patient like you and others are, it only takes one or two people to upset a new visitor and have them get turned off. Aren’t we all responsible for our motivation?”

That’s why I’m not flat-out scolding anyone in particular and like I say it’s not my blog. I’m just dropping a reminder that this is one of the few places I would actually send (and have actually sent) newbies to learn about this shit…it would be nice to be able to send them here without having to say “but uhhh, skip the comment section” and hope that it doesn’t turn them off a blog that could have been literally life-saving for them if a few adult males studying self-improvement had a bit more control over their emotions.


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Got two posts in mod, but I saved one of them just incase lol

@Rollo
“Although it may seem as if I was baiting Tim, my point was to ask the question as to what conditions would make otherwise MGTOW men ‘feel safe’ enough to interact with women?”

All good, it looked like he was open to answering questions too.

“OK, I get it, but what would need to change in a social context to make intersexual dynamics something MGTOWs would consider?”

I would love to hear their response to this. I’d also love to not have to sift through a bunch of bullshit 14yo flamewars to hear it and I think they’d probably be more open to answer those interesting questions when they aren’t going to get bombarded by poo-flinging for mentioning they’re MGTOW in an article that addresses MGTOW.

“So is it a social dysfunction that MGTOWs are responding to or is it something deeper? What would it take to make intimacy with a woman desirable for them?”

If intimacy with a woman is not currently desirable to them and they’ve created a life where they don’t involve themselves in intimacy with a woman, is that a problem? It might not be great for society in the long-run since we need babies and everything but like, I may not end up reproducing and I’m not repressing any desire to have kids…I simply don’t have an interest in it and there are way too many risks these days to make it worth having them (though I’m open to my desires/views changing as I get older).

“There’s a reason guys like Glenn and Niko left the movement. Beyond their personal differences with the members of MGTOW, what would make them see leaving the ideology on whole if it made so much sense before?

I can’t see that being a good argument. I mean, Roosh is denouncing pickup and everything and wants people to get married now…does that mean the red pill is flawed? People change their views and priorities with age. A 20yo might find PUA resonates with him, then as his friends settle down and he tries some LTRs his 30yo version might find Manosphere stuff resonates with him. His 40yo version as he runs into bullshit and his friends are getting burned in LTRs might find MRA stuff resonates with him…when he gets divorce-raped at 50yo he may decide MGTOW is the way for him and be like the guys in that video I linked just living a nice pleasant content life day to day that they enjoy.

That’s why I say maybe MGTOW works for a dude now, I was pretty content as a teenage virgin in that I had accepted “I’m just not one of “those guys” who gets girls, maybe when I’m older I’ll meet some nice girl and settle down but I guess that’s not me right now” and it didn’t even really bother me day to day…but eventually, like what may happen with some younger MGTOWs, it started to bubble to the surface and DID start to be a frustration for me, and I found an extremely welcoming PUA community (admittedly it’s less welcoming these days now that it’s mainstream, but the oldschool masf forum was a fucking amazing support group) and handled it. If I had gone to the PUA community and been like “hey, I’m a MGTOW and I–” “oh god here comes a fucking MGTOW what a virgin loser pussy lolol” I probably wouldn’t have bothered looking any deeper.

I just think it would be a lot more productive to have rational discussions that that MGTOW (or random lurker figuring his shit out, your blog gets enough hits that we know they aren’t all posting in this comment section but most of them are probably reading it) is going to remember if he does decide one day he wants women in his life even if it’s just in some specific controlled fashion (like a “my way or the highway” FB/harem arrangement). And maybe that’s not the MGTOW that’s directly engaging us, but the lurkers etc who are taking this all in.


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@Rollo
“Although it may seem as if I was baiting Tim, my point was to ask the question as to what conditions would make otherwise MGTOW men ‘feel safe’ enough to interact with women?”

All good, it looked like he was open to answering questions too.

“OK, I get it, but what would need to change in a social context to make intersexual dynamics something MGTOWs would consider?”

I would love to hear their response to this. I’d also love to not have to sift through a bunch of bullshit 14yo flamewars to hear it and I think they’d probably be more open to answer those interesting questions when they aren’t going to get bombarded by poo-flinging for mentioning they’re MGTOW in an article that addresses MGTOW.

“So is it a social dysfunction that MGTOWs are responding to or is it something deeper? What would it take to make intimacy with a woman desirable for them?”

If intimacy with a woman is not currently desirable to them and they’ve created a life where they don’t involve themselves in intimacy with a woman, is that a problem? It might not be great for society in the long-run since we need babies and everything but like, I may not end up reproducing and I’m not repressing any desire to have kids…I simply don’t have an interest in it and there are way too many risks these days to make it worth having them (though I’m open to my desires/views changing as I get older).

“There’s a reason guys like Glenn and Niko left the movement. Beyond their personal differences with the members of MGTOW, what would make them see leaving the ideology on whole if it made so much sense before?

I can’t see that being a good argument. I mean, Roosh is denouncing pickup and everything and wants people to get married now…does that mean the red pill is flawed? People change their views and priorities with age. A 20yo might find PUA resonates with him, then as his friends settle down and he tries some LTRs his 30yo version might find Manosphere stuff resonates with him. His 40yo version as he runs into bullshit and his friends are getting burned in LTRs might find MRA stuff resonates with him…when he gets divorce-raped at 50yo he may decide MGTOW is the way for him and be like the guys in that video I linked just living a nice pleasant content life day to day that they enjoy.

That’s why I say maybe MGTOW works for a dude now, I was pretty content as a teenage virgin in that I had accepted “I’m just not one of “those guys” who gets girls, maybe when I’m older I’ll meet some nice girl and settle down but I guess that’s not me right now” and it didn’t even really bother me day to day…but eventually, like what may happen with some younger MGTOWs, it started to bubble to the surface and DID start to be a frustration for me, and I found an extremely welcoming PUA community (admittedly it’s less welcoming these days now that it’s mainstream, but the oldschool masf forum was a fucking amazing support group) and handled it. If I had gone to the PUA community and been like “hey, I’m a MGTOW and I–” “oh god here comes a fucking MGTOW what a virgin loser pussy lolol” I probably wouldn’t have bothered looking any deeper.

I just think it would be a lot more productive to have rational discussions that that MGTOW (or random lurker figuring his shit out, your blog gets enough hits that we know they aren’t all posting in this comment section but most of them are probably reading it) is going to remember if he does decide one day he wants women in his life even if it’s just in some specific controlled fashion (like a “my way or the highway” FB/harem arrangement). And maybe that’s not the MGTOW that’s directly engaging us, but the lurkers etc who are taking this all in.


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@Sun Wukong
“So, uh, yeah. That’s exactly what I’m telling you. Everybody is, and that includes me. Being aware of it allows you to bend a few rules here and there, but in the end you’ll dance to that master’s tune or pay the price for not doing so.”

If porn, VR-sex, prostitution, webcam chicks (esp once webcams and VR combine and you have girls giving you virtual handjobs with your synchronized fleshlight or whatever it all turns into in the next few years), etc take care of a guy’s biological urges enough that he’s not on the verge of a killing rampage, is he really going to pay a price? Sure he won’t reproduce, but otherwise if he’s decided real live chicks are too much hassle and all these other options feel close enough to the real thing? I think a lot of guys would be pretty satisfied with that life and it would be reasonably safe for them to engage in and having all those other options would make it pretty easy to not bother going to the bar to approach girls and compete with other men for them.

Like you’re content with your solo place and your job. Maybe I want to be a CEO in a mansion and I’m convinced that you’d enjoy it way more because men want to reach their potential and be the top dog etc etc. But like, if you’re happy doing your thing, why am I gonna get on your case about how you should want more? And are you going to listen to me if I approach you from a shaming angle about it? Why not just provide the arguments and resources for it and, when/if you decide it’s something you want down the road, you know where to turn to.

“Still searching for a good place to consistently run in to that kind of energy and the flow I can feel happy in. Last night was a complete bust though, unfortunately. Place I tried was nothing but wall to wall middle agers, fatties, and heavily tattooed skanks. Gamed a little on a couple of the women out of sheer boredom, but tossed them back after a few seconds as I had zero interest. Marking that one off the list.”

Do everything you can, sacrifice some shit if you have to, to move near a college/university bar district. Life is short and you’re just going to get older and more frustrated with the options around you if you aren’t in that kind of area. If you were a young dude then whatever, live anywhere you’ll have enough adventures to have a good time regardless. But as an older guy, do anything you can to get your ass into a prime location, it makes a world of difference. Other people will think you’re crazy, but if your financial situation is decent and your work location is flexible and one of your major priorities is having young bubbly chicks in your life, sacrifice whatever you have to to relocate to an area with better options. It’s worth it, you have the rest of your life to recover whatever you had to sacrifice for it lol


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@Sun Wukong
“So, uh, yeah. That’s exactly what I’m telling you. Everybody is, and that includes me. Being aware of it allows you to bend a few rules here and there, but in the end you’ll dance to that master’s tune or pay the price for not doing so.”

If porn, VR-sex, prostitution, webcam chicks (esp once webcams and VR combine and you have girls giving you virtual handjobs with your synchronized fleshlight or whatever it all turns into in the next few years), etc take care of a guy’s biological urges enough that he’s not on the verge of a killing rampage, is he really going to pay a price? Sure he won’t reproduce, but otherwise if he’s decided real live chicks are too much hassle and all these other options feel close enough to the real thing? I think a lot of guys would be pretty satisfied with that life and it would be reasonably safe for them to engage in and having all those other options would make it pretty easy to not bother going to the bar to approach girls and compete with other men for them.

Like you’re content with your solo place and your job. Maybe I want to be a CEO in a mansion and I’m convinced that you’d enjoy it way more because men want to reach their potential and be the top dog etc etc. But like, if you’re happy doing your thing, why am I gonna get on your case about how you should want more? And are you going to listen to me if I approach you from a shaming angle about it? Why not just provide the arguments and resources for it and, when/if you decide it’s something you want down the road, you know where to turn to.

“Still searching for a good place to consistently run in to that kind of energy and the flow I can feel happy in. Last night was a complete bust though, unfortunately. Place I tried was nothing but wall to wall middle agers, fatties, and heavily tattooed skanks. Gamed a little on a couple of the women out of sheer boredom, but tossed them back after a few seconds as I had zero interest. Marking that one off the list.”

Do everything you can, sacrifice some shit if you have to, to move near a college/university bar district. Life is short and you’re just going to get older and more frustrated with the options around you if you aren’t in that kind of area. If you were a young dude then whatever, live anywhere you’ll have enough adventures to have a good time regardless. But as an older guy, do anything you can to get your ass into a prime location, it makes a world of difference. Other people will think you’re crazy, but if your financial situation is decent and your work location is flexible and one of your major priorities is having young bubbly chicks in your life, sacrifice whatever you have to to relocate to an area with better options. It’s worth it, you have the rest of your life to recover whatever you had to sacrifice for it lol


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Excellent comment. I check out a lot of MGTOW/MRA stuff so I’ve seen a lot of those horror stories. It’s great that some guys run into trauma like that and still come out of it wanting to take on the challenge of learning pickup and the red pill and chasing poon after going through hell, but for the guys who don’t it’s like man, a lot of their stories I hear and am like “I can’t even blame you for viewing the situation this way after what you went through”. I think a lot of the hate comes from guys who’ve either not been through hell or have been through it and overcome it and look down on those guys for not manning up like they did.

Dogs are cute and it would be cool if everyone was able to own and train a dog that gives them wonderful companionship and everything…but some guy who had his face mauled off by a pack of dobermans, I mean, I’m cool with that guy not wanting to own a dog lol

The jist I get from checking out MGTOW is that a lot of the older guys are the ones who’ve gone through hell and are perfectly content not having much to do with women. And the younger ones seem to either be the low SMV incel type who just couldn’t figure it out or have decided it’s not worth the hassle (and will probably change their minds down the road, just like I may decide I want kids one day), or have seen friends/family go through the nightmare shit and have decided “nope, not chancing it!”

Lumping them all in as lazy low SMV incels is kind of silly, it’s what the MSM does when they lump us all in with Roosh.


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Excellent comment. I check out a lot of MGTOW/MRA stuff so I’ve seen a lot of those horror stories. It’s great that some guys run into trauma like that and still come out of it wanting to take on the challenge of learning pickup and the red pill and chasing poon after going through hell, but for the guys who don’t it’s like man, a lot of their stories I hear and am like “I can’t even blame you for viewing the situation this way after what you went through”. I think a lot of the hate comes from guys who’ve either not been through hell or have been through it and overcome it and look down on those guys for not manning up like they did.

Dogs are cute and it would be cool if everyone was able to own and train a dog that gives them wonderful companionship and everything…but some guy who had his face mauled off by a pack of dobermans, I mean, I’m cool with that guy not wanting to own a dog lol

The jist I get from checking out MGTOW is that a lot of the older guys are the ones who’ve gone through hell and are perfectly content not having much to do with women. And the younger ones seem to either be the low SMV incel type who just couldn’t figure it out or have decided it’s not worth the hassle (and will probably change their minds down the road, just like I may decide I want kids one day), or have seen friends/family go through the nightmare shit and have decided “nope, not chancing it!”

Lumping them all in as lazy low SMV incels is kind of silly, it’s what the MSM does when they lump us all in with Roosh.


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“I think we need Yareally to come here and tell us women don’t want big dicks.”

Happy to oblige. Post in mod. Happy New Year everyone lol


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“When you (or others) write a long post (I could say wall of text but you often have videos and other links) I suggest you do a copy all and save it somewhere, before clicking to post. That way if it disappears you can re-post it.”

Fortunately I did just that this time lol:

@everyone

Time to be a condescending asshole…I wish I didn’t have to. WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING ME HAVE TO HIT YOU LIKE THIS, BABY???

fucking lol’ing hard at the penis size stuff. I heart you guys but this shit is simultaneously the funniest and most painful thing I’ve read in a while. It’s always such a wtf moment when I see a group of guys who are basing a huge focus of their self-development journey around learning to think logically and rationally instead of letting their emotions and fears control them and warp their thinking, get sucked into these vortexes of emotional irrationality.

First we’re going to toss out self-surveys by women of what they want, because women are retarded and think they want flowers and nice guys too…again this goes back to “WE ALWAYS IGNORE WHAT WOMEN SAY ABOUT WHAT TURNS THEM ON…EXCEPT WHEN IT ALIGNS WITH OUR ALREADY DEEPLY ENTRENCHED LIMITING BELIEFS, *THEN* WE TAKE WHAT THEY SAY AT FACE VALUE!!!!” You can’t pick and choose when to listen to women’s self-surveys because that’s EXACTLY what the idiot showing up with a dozen roses and asking “so where would YOU like to eat tonight?” and asking her if it’s okay to kiss her is doing when he cherry-picks the self-survey shit that aligns with his retarded beliefs.

On top of that when it comes to sex most women haven’t even HAD good sex. Because most guys are shit in bed. Which again comes down to the same thing with muscles and money: if you are boring as fuck, then yes, those things will help you because you’re giving her nothing else to base her opinion on and she has to resort to those but if you would step up and make emotional impacts on women and quit being a fucking dialtone of mundane flatline emotions (or very slowly raising emotions, or only positive emotions never any negative ones) she wouldn’t give a shit whether your belt matches your custom leather shoes or your dick is an extra inch or not. The guys who are hung up on that shit I can almost GUARANTEE are running fucking weak game and don’t realize it because it might still be better than the average guy’s game.

Look at any of those Julien infield clips in PIMP where he has girls falling over themselves emotionally reacting to him, do you think any of them give a shit what size his dick is or what his shoes look like or that he has man-boobs? They want to fuck him because he’s creating emotional impact and if you’re still hung up on this retarded stuff it’s because your game doesn’t have anywhere near the emotional impact that Julien’s game has and you aren’t getting the reactions that Julien gets that make that shit irrelevant…that shouldn’t be an indicator that you should go get better shoes or lift more weight or try to stretch your dick out, that’s an indicator that you should GO OUT IN THE FUCKING FIELD MORE AND WORK ON YOUR FUCKING GAME lol

…but it’s a LOT easier to let that fear of the field take over and spend your Friday night at the gym or earning money or shopping for shoes or doing dick exercises or climbing mountains or doing MMA or ANY OTHER FUCKING THING UNDER THE SUN TO AVOID PUTTING YOUR BALLS ON THE LINE GOING UP TO PRETTY GIRLS AND SAYING HELLO and developing your game to where you understand what I’m saying and why the RSD instructors aren’t all jacked 6’8″ guys in custom-fitted suits with 12″ dicks.

But today instead of just telling you guys how retarded this conversation is, I’m going to walk you through logical thought processes so that you can understand why what you’re saying is silly. God, where to begin…let’s start simple and build our way up:

1) Do you guys think that all women have giant 24″ BBC monster dildos in their closets? And that sex toy stores don’t sell smaller dildos? Or that only small women are buying small dildos and every chick is buying the dildo that stretches her out the most (and even THEN that just brings us to point number 3 down below). If all women wanted was to just be rammed full then basic market economics 101 would result in stores being stocked with giant fist-shaped dildos and nothing smaller but there are a TON of smaller toys and if you look through a chick’s sex toy drawer she might have a 24″ dildo but generally a chick who has that also has a bunch of smaller ones because she doesn’t just want to shove fists up her pussy every time she’s horny. Most girls have a bunch of toys that just fit “nicely” along with a huge one for the now and then where they want to get rammed full but a lot of them don’t even have one of those.

2) Do you guys think that lesbians are all stockpiling 50″ strap-ons and every time they fuck it’s just railing eachother with huge strap-ons and that’s how they have orgasms? Is all the lesbian porn out there, homemade or otherwise, just lesbians strapping up the biggest rubber cock they can find and plowing eachother with them? Other types of orgasms, other spots in the pussy, other sensations and feelings, the mental aspects the build-up the foreplay the teasing, none of that matters, it just comes down to “look did she shove a 13″ dildo in me or a 12″ because if it was only 12″ I’m OUTTA HERE TILL SHE BUYS A BIGGER ONE!!!”

3) Do you think a girl getting her pussy stretched out to oblivion can even handle a round two of that without some recovery time? Do you lift your max weight at the gym 3x a day with no time for your body to recover? And then she’s going to want to get fist-sized dick railing her the next morning and later that night again? For some girls, ya the pain is probably a turn-on and shit, but like, we’re still talking about the human body here, it needs recovery time that isn’t necessarily pleasant when shit gets stretched all over the place. Those chicks in porn who take a huge 12″ cock up their ass spent the night before and all day leading up to the shoot with various buttplugs up their ass starting from their smallest to their largest so that on the shoot the guy can just ram his huge cock in there. They aren’t just taking a girl off the street and jamming fists in her holes. And if you find a girl who, by default with no stretching or anything leading up to it, can just take a two-fist huge dildo up her holes, there are other concerns you should probably be more focused on lol

4) Do you guys think every chick’s pussy is the same? Like it’s some one size fits all shit? Do you think the height, weight, petiteness, etc of a chick has any relevance to how loose or tight her pussy is? Because if you do, you have more fucking to do. There are fatties with pussies you can barely get a finger into and petite chicks you can shove a fist into. So it doesn’t even make SENSE that “bigger is better” in the same way it wouldn’t make sense to say “for men blonder is better” when tons of men don’t even like blondes or like brunettes or redheads more, and just like it wouldn’t make sense to say “bigger tits are better” when tons of guys don’t even give a shit about tits or are more into asses etc.

But we’ll ignore logic because hey, dick size hits home for guys, it’s a big insecurity society has conditioned everyone to have. I mean, let’s just run with this lack of logic and serve a small asian child the same 50oz steak we’d feed a linebacker, ’cause hey bigger is better, why factor in anything like how tight the chick’s pussy is and how a chick with a small tight pussy is going to find that 3.5″ dick guy just right, and that small tight pussy could be on some 6’2″ blonde model because body type doesn’t correlate to pussy size just like there are small dudes with big dicks and tall dudes with little dicks. This is basic fucking logic.

5) Google Cytheria. I’ll wait. Enjoy that? Are you making 95% of the chicks you shove your dick in shoot waterfalls that literally jet out and drench both of you when you’re thrusting your dick in there? Because odds are you aren’t…if you are, it’s probably just with one or two of your girls who have a natural ability for it and not the consistent majority of them and overall it’s probably inconsistent (because that’s how the mechanics of what’s happening work). Watch Squirting 101 and go out and make a ton of chick’s squirt with the finger technique the dude explains in the video. It’s a hooking upward pulling motion on the upper-front of the pussy aka the g-spot. Unless your dick is shaped like an umbrella handle and you’re yanking it straight upward instead of thrusting it in and out of her, it doesn’t matter if your dick is 5″ or 10″ it’s probably not hitting the g-spot in the way that leads to insane squirting orgasms. There’s a chance you might rub against it or hit it, depending on the shape of her pussy and the angle your dick bends at and the position you’re fucking her in, but with just my fingers, doing what the guy is explaining in Squirting 101 I can make like 95% of the chicks I’m with squirt to an extent that blows their mind and leaves them twitching and useless and unable to form words as their legs quiver while we cuddle after, along with an understanding how chick’s orgasms/bodies/minds function to make that shit consistently easy to do to them regardless of their vagina size or my dick size etc because it’s just fingers.

My point with this one is that there are different types of orgasms, not just P in V and you should know how to make her have all those other types of orgasms. If your mentality is “girls need to be railed hard with a huge dick to have an orgasm”, like, you have a lot of learning about getting chicks off to do lol G-Spot, Deep-Spot, A-Spot, Clitoral, figuring out her personal erogenous zones and fantasies and using that shit to get her to cum without even touching her pussy, like, you should be able to do this stuff and understand how their bodies work for that shit if you’re going to go out seducing a bunch of chicks. You don’t show up to a baseball game only knowing how to swing a bat. Swinging a bat is a great skill and useful to win the game, but there’s more to the fucking game than that lol

I get that the older guys didn’t have the type of porn we have now so like, back in their day just fucking a girl missionary was basically what sex was, but like, educate yourself. Anyone who says “oh porn is all fake” is an idiot who hasn’t looked at porn in the last 10 years where tons of it is real people putting up their own homemade shit with tons of real orgasms achieved through tons of different ways. You should be studying that shit and learning from it and reading books and PDFs and forums and shit about getting girls off. You should have a whole fucking arsenal of moves in bed. Watch a bunch of lesbian porn and don’t fast-forward to the orgasm part, watch the whole boring slow build-up, that boring slow build-up isn’t just filling time, that shit is what builds up the orgasm payoff.

The first time I hook up with a girl I often don’t even bother trying to P in V her because I will have her screaming and gushing like Cytherea till she can’t move and her pussy can’t take anymore, with just my tongue and fingers, and because most guys suck at sex half the time she’s laying there going “omg what did you DO to me???” because she’s never had a squriting/g-spot orgasm, so I know THAT’s going to be a bigger novelty than just getting railed, and that’s going to have her coming back for more because she knows she can’t get that from other guys. I could literally be dickless, or have a little one-inch nubbin down there or not take off my pants and it wouldn’t matter because I’m doing all this other shit.

6) Too big hurts, there’s a spot I can’t remember the name of but it’s like the back wall of the pussy where if you ram into that it hurts like a bitch. Some girls who get off on actual pain will like that it hurts but those are the pain-fetish chicks which are kind of a niche market, for most girls it’s an instant “holy fuck stop ouch ouch ouch”, just like some dudes get off on girls kicking them in the balls but for most of us it’s a “holy fuck stop ouch ouch ouch” level of pain.

7) It’s a helluva lot easier to convince a girl to do anal if you don’t have a huge dick lol “you won’t even notice it” I have a 5’2″ buddy who’s got a small dick and every girl he’s been with has taken it up the bum because it’s not as daunting as a monster cock. I’ve had a few girls where they wanted to do anal but they were too petite and we couldn’t get my dick in and we were both disappointed that we weren’t able to do it (without a ton of building-up and slow stretching her ass and all that, not real convenient for a same-night lay though)

8) Ever tried throat-fucking a petite girl? It’s not even an option if she can’t get her mouth around your dick easily, let alone getting her teeth out of the way. A lot of girls LOVE to get roughly deep-throated, to where they’re gagging and choking and the back of their throat hurts the next day, it’s a huge submissive thing for their guy to just grab their head and throat-fuck them. Too big a dick and there are things you’re not able to do in bed.

9) Let’s say dick size DOES matter. Now, I don’t know how you guys do pickup, but my pickups generally don’t involve whipping out my dick and a tape measure in the middle of the bar while she’s talking about how she loves her career in marketing. Like how do you guys visualize that she would even KNOW what your dick size is before you whip it out when you’re both about to actually fuck?? A girl doesn’t see my dick size or shape or my body or the actual flabbiness of my man boobs or the hair on my back or any other random insecurity I could come up with, until she’s so turned on that we are about to fuck. If I’m seducing her properly, she’s so turned on that whether I have an extra inch down there or a 6-pack or live in a nice mansion etc etc none of that shit will matter. I might put her hand on my cock thru my pants as part of the seduction process but like, it’s going to just be for a second to make her curious I’m not going to have it on there and hand her a tape measure lol

Would she, on a self-survey, SAY she’d like a guy with a huge dick? Sure. Would she also say she’d like to fuck in a nice mansion bedroom with 5-star hotel cleanliness? Sure. But did the girls my buddy and I picked up around New Years fuck him in his dirty filthy bathroom and me on his shitty old futon? Yup. And are both of them texting us to hook up again? Yup. BUT TEH SELF-SURVEYSSss!!1 Are you going to say you want a girl with huge tits and a tiny waist and perfect ass and gorgeous face with perfect facial features and perfect personality traits etc on a self-survey? Sure. How many of you not only FUCK girls who AREN’T like that, but ENJOY fucking them and even MARRIED them? Fuck self-surveys lol

When a girl is turned on, she’ll fuck whatever dick is in front of her. If she laughs you out of the room for your tiny 3″ dick it’s not because of your dick it’s because you suck ass at seduction and didn’t have her turned on to the point where she doesn’t care about that and/or you were subcommunicating being self-conscious about it and you should be studying how to get her off better and embracing your “flaw” the same way you’d embrace being “too old for her” etc. Make her squirt a few times before you even pull your dick out if you’re that concerned.

It’s like this retarded boogeyman “she’s just gonna KNOW I have a little dick oh no!!!!” Yes if you’re banging social circle girls and you have a huge dick it might spread around and there will be girls curious to check it out. But that’s just passive game, it’s the same as the guys who worry about whether their belt matches their shoes, they’re focusing on passive game because their pro-active game is weak as shit and girls end up checking out whether their belt and shoes match and choosing them based on dick size rumors. “ohh but I saw a video on youtube where the guy had a camera on his crotch and girls were looking at it” fucking who cares that’s passive game, fuck passive game you’re learning SEDUCTION not “stand and look pretty and hope the 10 you want decides to come jump on your cock while you durrr around like a chode” game.

And if that girl happens to, in particular, love P in V orgasms and hates foreplay (I’ve run into these types but they’re pretty rare in the same way that a guy who hates getting blowjobs exists but is rare, for most girls orgasms is orgasms and most of them haven’t felt G/Deep/A/etc. orgasms before (which all come with different feelings) so that shit is all new and exciting enough as it is for them to enjoy the sex), then ya, that particular size-queen type of girl might not call you back for another hookup and she’ll go chase the biggest dick she can find. That’s okay, these girls are rare and you have other girls on the go because you’re out in-field working on your game and actually seducing women to fuck them, not mentally masturbating in this comment section all day right?

10) The idea that a guy with a big dick will fuck MORE women is just like, how do you even come to that conclusion in a logical way? Again in social circle maybe, because he can fuck based on his reputation, but off cold-approach??? That doesn’t make any fucking sense. Girls don’t know who’s dick is what size, and they aren’t walking out on a guy who just gave them a bunch of orgasms just because he whips his dick out and it’s smaller than she expected the exact same way you probably aren’t kicking out that chick who’s been blowing you for 10 minutes and has you on the edge of an orgasm just because she takes off her shirt and she’s a little chubbier than you realized. It MIGHT affect retention/return-visitor rate because logically you could make that argument (tho again, size queens is a niche market, not the common market, and again we have to account for her pussy size shape etc etc), but you would have to pull some serious mental gymnastics to explain how dick size would affect cold approach lay count and most of those explanations you could come up with would be solved with better game the same way needing a nice watch can be solved with better game.

(I actually HAVE seen a girl laugh a dude out of a party for having too small a dick (jacked bodybuilder guy too) but it was because he was insecure about it and got pissed off and ran off which of course failing the shit-test just increased the laughter, whereas if he had played it cool like my little 5’2″ buddy would and just roll with it and suggest anal in a confident way he’d’ve passed the teasing shit-test instead of over-reacting and showing weakness and inviting a bombardment of jackal on prey behavior)

11) You know WHY a lot of girls place a lot of importance on P in V sex in self-surveys? Because most of the guys who read the shit I’m writing right now don’t actually DO this shit with girls so all girls have to judge sex by IS P in V because all these guys think “I just have to shove it in and jackhammer away as long as possible and that’s good sex” and they haven’t even squirted before or cum till they blackout or get Jamed Deen roughhandled etc. So all they can really go by IS the one move every guy does every fucking time lol

And I’m not even getting into actual kinks and bringing her personal fantasies to life and shit, there’s a whole nother WORLD of fun options there, while most guys are just railing away as hard as they can or fingerbanging as hard and fast as they can because it totally worked on Sally in high school brah trust me I know what I’m doing brah And I’m not even bringing up that James Deen just has a normal sized cock etc because we already went over the James Deen shit for 10 pages.

12) Now I’m not saying having a big dick is BAD (although as I’ve pointed out there are situations where it’s not ideal), and yes, there are girls out there that prefer a nice big dick, but the amount of chickens-with-their-head-cut-off nonsense I see grown men going through about the subject without doing any logical rational thinking, like, this is such a retarded thing to worry about lol Like does anyone even KNOW how to get girls off?? Is this a junior high school boy’s locker room where all anyone knows about sex is what they heard some other kid tell them about sex? You have the entire fucking internet at your fingertips to learn this shit. Being a good lay should be a hobby you enjoy learning about and getting better at if you want to go out picking up random girls.

And finally here are some tips, from a guy who’s just got a nice normal average dick nothing special, and is too out of shape to thrust away for 30 min lol:

1) in missionary position, lift her legs up to your shoulders so she’s knees to her chest and fuck her that way, it changes how shit is angled/shaped/squeezing and makes your dick feel bigger to her

2) if you want to increase the odds of her orgasming from P in V, start by using oral/fingers to get her off a couple times, so that she’s aroused as fuck (side note: you want to give her a couple orgasms before making her squirt too, trying to make her squirt off no build-up is tougher, again download Squirting 101 with Cytherea and watch the dude with the wristband explaining shit and how the other guy keeps fucking it up because he isn’t doing the right hand position and how easily it happens when you do it right and look for the clip with the asian chick and the timer at the end too). Then build up to her next orgasm but this time DON’T push her over the edge, when you feel her getting close to the edge just pull your tongue back and lightly kiss around her mound or thighs or lightly slowly graze your tongue around without touching her clit or pussy lips etc and just keep teasing her on the edge like that for a while, as her body calms down after a minute of not doing anything, keep going and tease her up to the edge again and back off etc etc She’ll be begging but just keep her on the edge…

Do that for a bit and, when she’s on the edge, THEN condom up (safety first) and slide inside her. If you’re sliding your dick in there just out of the blue with no build-up, you might make her cum from P in V but you’d better have some good cardio ’cause you’re turning that radio dial from like a 2 to a 10. Why not get the dial up to a 9 and THEN stick your dick in? Common fucking sense here lol This is pretty much my standard M.O. because I am chubby and out of shape with zero cardio so I can’t thrust for long I need to cheat lol They’ll usually end up cumming in under a minute of thrusting and from there it’s not real difficult to get them to keep cumming, it’s that initial one that’s the toughy.

3) Combine the number 2 edging shit with the legs up position from number 1, espeically after giving her a g-spot orgasm or two, and she’s not going to have any real complaints about your dick lol

4) and if you’re still concerned after all of this, stock some fucking toys in your kink drawer to bust out on her. Tie her up and get her off with them. Learn how to fist a girl safely. Use your fucking imagination lol

5) read the big James Deen discussion in my archives for shit about dominance leading etc and how that shit is more important during sex than a 12″ dick or jacked muscles lol

Worrying about the size of your dick is like saying “no one will want to go on a road trip with me because the windows in my car are manual instead of automatic”. It’s such a small part of a overall road trip that to me it indicates that the person saying it doesn’t even really understand how a car works, or why a road trip is fun, or what value other people get out of going on a road trip with them or how to make a road trip fun for their partner.

The fact that I have to even write this post and guys don’t already go out and figure this shit out for themselves (by doing their homework with porn and instructional material, and going out in-field and actually pulling and fucking girls and trying all this shit out on them), is why I end up fucking so many dissatisfied wives and girlfriends of other guys. Of ANYONE, the guys in a forum about seducing women should be at the fore-front of understanding all this shit already…if YOU guys don’t get it, and your HOBBY is trying to fuck women, the average Joe out there sure doesn’t get it. And then their girl fucks me and they go look up penis enlargement shit thinking THAT was his problem because he doesn’t understand basic fucking attraction.

And if you want to REALLY understand what I’m explaining, here’s an experiment you can do that none of you will actually do because it involves discomfort and risk and is SCARY and most guys are too in scarcity to fuck around with something like this (because they aren’t going out and pushing their sets to full-close sex enough):

Try this: Don’t fuck any of your next 10+ girls. No P in V. With all of them make up an excuse (back pain or your dick hurts from jacking off too hard or something or hell make up a fake STD, say you got tested and have chlamydia and are on a round of pills and don’t want her to catch it so we can’t do P in V this time till it’s cleared up, etc etc). POP-QUIZ HOTSHOT! NOW WHAT DO YOU DO? Shit!! You have to somehow satisfy this girl in bed, AND give her an amazing enough experience that she’s texting you wanting to hook up again, but you can’t do P in V…do you have the sexual skillset to still blow her mind and get her to come back begging for more? If you DON’T, if removing P in V neuters 90% of your sexual arsenal, then re-read this post and get studying and practicing and going out in-field because that shit means your sexual skillset is weak and limited and needs work.

Another experiment: no sticking anything in her pussy. See if you can give them a mind-blowing enough experience without even opening their pussy lips to where they’ll come back for more. This should be EASY for you especially if you bring out stuff like blindfolds and handcuffs etc. Learn to get them to the edge and just drive them wild for hours till you can make them cum with full-body shaking “can’t form coherent sentences afterward” intensity just by lightly blowing across their clit, or lightly grazing a fingertip over it or sliding the tiny little tip of your pink finger between their pussy lips, nothing deep inside their pussy required. Make P in V off-limits until the rest of your skills make up for however small your stupid dick is lol

My dick could get chopped off by a psycho girl (knock on wood aka mah dick lol) or I could get the herp or something and no longer have a dick to fuck a girl with and I would STILL be able to get girls wanting to come over to hook up with me for repeat business because I understand and am good at all this other shit. You guys should all be working on developing that if you’re going to be this big pickup player seduction badass


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on January 13th, 2016 at 7:35 pm
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lol…ok you guys asked for it. Here comes another bitch-slap lol:

@Palleon @scribblerg @etc
“It’s clearly obvious that looks do have an impact – there’s that episode of keys to the VIP where that dumb as a rock male stripper gets pulled into the bathroom by a chick because she wanted his body and he was too clueless to escalate himself. As a personal anecdote, I have a tall, good looking friend who can just walk up to girls, tell them there cute, and ask them out without really building attraction”

Look, here’s why you’re not going to get good at game with your current mindset: because you look at these events and instead of analyzing them and backwards engineering what’s happening, you just write them off as “well it’s because of their looks” because that fits your shitty world view right now, because you don’t have a lot of experience with the shit guys like scray and I (and Patrice O’Neal linked below) are trying to explain. Thing is, we all start that way, but the reason you won’t get good is because you are trying to KEEP that mindset instead of learning to delve deeper, because learning to delve deeper into it means that you might discover some uncomfortable truths that you’ve been self-sabotaging more than you realize, for most of your life, and that you could’ve handled this shit at any point in your life if you had put in the effort to fix your mindsets.

Here’s an analogy of what you’re doing when you describe these “looks matter” stories: I’m trying to teach you how to be an electrician. You understand that in a standard size lightbulb, electricity goes in, heats up the filament, and the bulb glows. Great. Now I show you a huge spotlight and I say “why does this glow brighter?” and you say “well it’s bigger” and I say “no but what elements are going into that? How do the mechanics work based on what you’re learning?” “it’s just BIGGER man. Bigger lights glow brighter. Electricity likes bigger lights so it just glows brighter” “What about filament size, bulb size, brightness/dimness, the voltage/power going to it, any of that have any relevance? What about this tiny intense bulb over here that shines way brighter than this huge dim light?” “look man, whatever, I don’t want to talk about that okay, from my experience bigger lightbulbs are brighter, electricity just likes bigger bulbs”

Do you think you would become a very good electrician? Of course not. Because you can’t see past your own limitations, because you don’t even understand that they ARE limitations. Just like how scribblerg gets hostile and sarcastic when we disagree, until he goes and actually looks at the shit I’m talking about (like the webcam girl shit) and realizes “oh maybe I didn’t have all the information I thought I had” and comes around. It’s in our nature to do that. We don’t want to accept that we don’t know everything. The difference between what I’m saying and what the looks matter guys are saying is that I have evidence that guys without looks can get the same results as the looks guys and I can explain exactly WHY detail by detail, and the looks matters guys just refuse to talk about any of that evidence and can’t explain it, because they don’t actually understand what’s going on.

Like, you are stunting your own growth. It doesn’t affect ME, I don’t give a shit, it’s your dick not mine, you could die a virgin and it wouldn’t really affect my day to day life. So I’m saying this shit out of love in that I want guys like you to understand why you have to look past this retarded mindset because you’re limiting your ability to learn in the same way if scribblerg hadn’t finally got off his ass and looked up recent webcam girl shit, he would still be convinced I was wrong and he was right and would limit his ability to have learned updated inforamtion and a new more accurate perspective on the subject. It’s very hard for guys to swallow the idea that “maybe looks don’t matter, maybe penis size doesn’t matter”, because NO ONE is going to confirm this shit except guys who go out infield. That’s why scray isn’t even putting in much effort to explain how it doesn’t matter, he’s just like “it doesn’t matter, this is stupid, if you’re getting laid you know it doesn’t matter”, but I like teaching so I’m trying to explain it in-depth. I don’t even have to go “SEE? SEE? SCRAY CONFIRMS IT GUYS!!!” because I KNOW scray knows it, because scray put in the field time consciously applying this shit (VS years in the field running Natural game where they gloss over all this shit, or not going out in the field much and keyboard jockeying), because every guy who goes out enough and pushes his comfort zones enough comes to the same conclusions.

I have a buddy who’s a 6’4″ super good-looking Natural with legit game (a lot of Naturals are just cool and charismatic but this guy uses actual strategy and shit he’s figured out over the years to maximize his results, that all very closely mirrors what PUA teaches). Dude slays pussy left and right, he can get laid by SOMETHING most nights out. I have a couple other buddies who are about my height and have zero game. They get laid maybe once a year. They look at him getting laid and they do exactly what you do “man, it’s just ’cause he’s tall and good-looking, that’s why girls like him, he doesn’t even DO anything and they want to have sex with him”.

Those guys, 5 years later, are STILL getting laid like once a year. Why? For the same reason you won’t get good at game: when they look at him they just look at the externals that fit their fucked up mindsets and they cram it all into their already established world view of how things work. Because they write it off as his looks, they never look beneath the surface and see everything that guy is doing that’s ACTUALLY getting him laid. They can’t SEE the attraction because they’re too caught up in his looks. I rolled with him for a few years extremely close and saw his game up close and there were even things he was doing that I didn’t even realize for a couple years till I started experimenting with them myself and understanding them (thinking of laser eye-contact specifically, I never even noticed that shit till I got deeper into it and now when I see him talking to girls it’s blatant that he’s doing it, but I never noticed till I understood it in-depth)

The reason Tyler, Julien, myself, etc can fuck girls in the bathroom just like that male stripper is because when we look at a guy like him we don’t say “oh he’s good-looking, oh well”, we look and say “whatever, fuck his looks, what else is going on here?” and backwards engineer what’s happening to learn from. And when you do that enough and you experiment with it in-field enough and execute it properly enough, you realize “oh, his looks were actually pretty insignificant in the long-run, it was all this other shit going on because I don’t look like him but when I do all this other shit I get the same kind of attraction”

Meanwhile the guys who can’t get that kind of attraction will sit there and say “IT’S LOOOOKS LOOKS MATTERR!!!!!11” and I can link hours of Tyler making out with girls and they’ll just brush it off because it doesn’t support their fucked up world view.

So let’s do an exercise:

When you see that Keys to the VIP episode, you should be able to write 10 fucking PAGES about that stripper guy’s subcommunications and what he’s doing that aligns with PUA techniques and LEARN from it. But you probably can’t, because your brain chalked it up to “well he’s good-looking so of course”.

Here’s the episode in question:

Here’s what you would see if you weren’t caught up in looks…and the people who think YaReally overly obsesses with things will have a fucking FIELD DAY with this one lol but I don’t care because I’m not trying to teach them, the guys who are taking their learning seriously will get value out of what I’m about to write just like the guys I break down Field Reports do, but we can all view the video footage on this one this time.

So here’s what I see when *I* view these kinds of things, starting with his bio:

– the dude is a kinesthesiologist, aka he’s comfortable with touching people, so right there even WITHOUT stripping he’s probably comfortable touching women which means his kino will by default be better than a lot of guys who rarely if ever touch another human being outside of like, sports

– he’s a stripper so what’s his mentality with women going to be? They are abundant (TOO abundant some nights probably), and they all want to fuck him, and they literally PAY him to do his stripper shit. What’s his mentality compared to, say, you? Do you think he’s going to be just a liiiiittle more confident than you? Do you think he’s going to expect a better reaction from girls than you might? Do you think that’s going to come through when he approaches girls? If you don’t think there’s a difference between approaching a girl expecting success VS approaching worrying about failure, you need to go out more. This guy is literally walking around with the subcomms of a guy who is “the prize”, instead of viewing girls as the prize. This comes through in his actual interactions which we’ll get into in a sec

So just from the bio there’s a lot to learn and to look for in his interactions to see how they’re affected by it. Does it mean you have to be a kinesthesiologist stripper? No, but if you can find a way to get comfortable with kino and ways to develop the “I am the prize” and abundance mindsets that he has (aka a shitload of inner game work from absorbing content on it and going out a bunch, instead of hiding behind a victim mindset like a guy like Tyler easily could have done but chose not to), you would be giving off similar subcommunications that put you ahead of the guy who’s scared to touch a strange girl he doesn’t know and views her as the prize and lives in scarcity mindsets instead of abundance.

That already gives you shit to work on when you’re in-field. But most guys will see his bio and go “oh he’s a doctor and a stripper so whatever, I’m not those, I can’t do what he does, of COURSE he gets the girl, that fits my stunted world view, that YaReally asshole doesn’t know what he’s talking about”.

So let’s jump to 4:30 where he first meets that girl:

– first up he’s walking around confidently, he has solid body language, head up, back straight, good posture, not in a big rush, he even looks a little bored by the whole scene. Contrast that to a lot of guys in the club who are hunched over trying not to take up space, or are standing or running around looking like they’re scared to be there or are hyper and over-excited and overly reactive to their environment.

– she opens him, and knows him from seeing him strip before. So he already has Comfort. We can’t know how he treated her back then, but he probably gave her some attention and then ignored her and didn’t treat her any more special than any other girl there because he clearly doesn’t remember her so it wasn’t significant to him and his job is to make them feel good but as a stripper he has enough abundance that he probably didn’t go home dreaming about this chick. That’s all just based on logical assumption though, so let’s keep to dealing with what he can actually see. And what we can actually see is that she already knows who he is so he has some basic Comfort from the first second she opens him

– also like I’ve always said, looks will get you more random iois and shit, they just don’t mean anything if you don’t have game and can’t take that attention to actual P in V sex. That’s why guys who are just observing this stuff (instead of ACTUALLY pulling and sticking his dick in <25yo pussy on the regular) see a guy like this get iois and think "well I could take that to sex from there so iois = sex which means good-looks = more sex" when really none of that means anything…you don't need initial iois to get laid, unless you're running PASSIVE GAME which if you're running passive game a guy with active game will stomp you…most of the good-looking guys at the bar are running passive game, and they'll get laid as long as an asshole like me doesn't come up and dwarf them with the emotional reactions I can get out of the girl that was ioi'ing them

– even when he says hi, he's chill about it. Zero Fucks Given, just "hi. (pause)" A lot of guys will scramble to fill the silence but he just waits to see what she says and try to seek rapport immediately when a hot girl opens them, but she hasn't earned him seeking rapport with her so he just lets it hang, which also implies he doesn't care if she walks away. This is a subtle subcomm but it shows abundance and is slightly qualifying

– look at his eye-contact, when he says hi he's already staring her in the eyes. It's minor, but a lot of guys can't hold eye-contact, this is a subcomm that displays confidence

– and on top of it he's not even smiling…they say James Dean didn't smile much so when he did it meant something. The subcommunication behind that idea is "I'm not going to reward you by default, you have to EARN my smile/interest/etc, and you haven't done that yet"

– so in literally like 1 second of interaction we already have a huge list of shit he's doing right besides "looking good". He has Comfort with this girl, strong eye-contact, he's unreactive, he's qualifying her and making her invest in the interaction, he's demonstrating abundance, he's not putting her on a pedestal, etc. Those are ALL things you can do even if you don't look like him. But when a guy with your mindsets watches this, he thinks "HE'S GOOD LOOKING SO TEH GIRL OPENED HI M!!!!11 I KNEW IT LOOKS MATTER" and you miss all this other shit that stands out like flashing neon signs to guys like me, Tyler, Julien, etc who know what to look for because we didn't write these things off as "he's good-looking".

– she asks if he remembers her…he clearly has no idea and bullshits that he does and she knows he's lying and again that shows abundance, she's not on a pedestal, she's being negged slightly (she expected to be remembered and he has no idea who she is, ouch, I wonder how she'll soothe that lack of validation…oh wait, we understand game, she's going to chase him harder and probably fuck him to get validated because that's what hot girls who think a stripper would remember them DO). He's not even lying WELL, like he doesn't even care enough to legitimately pretend to remember her and just make up a story and act like it…that's how little fuck he gives about establishing rapport with her, because he has abundance mindsets. That's why the judges laugh, because they know it's a big diss to her ego, we all know it, we can FEEL it…and you can neg a girl like this without looking like him, you can develop those abundance mindsets by going out and interacting with a ton of hot girls and having little successes that add up as your game improves, you can be unreactive around hot girls by hanging out with them and not seeing them as special pedestal flowers to try to impress

– "give me a hint" He admits he doesn't know her, and by all blue pill logic she should be offended and slap him and walk off, but instead what does she do? He's devalidated her, so she chases his validation by trying to remind him, but she won't remind him EXACTLY who she is because she's still seeking validation, so she just says "Halifax" to see if he'll remember her…the more she has to tell him who she is, the less impact she's made on him, the less validated she is…so she tries to just drop one word hoping that he'll be like "OHHHH ya it's YOU oh god I remember you you were the hottest girl I saw in Halifax bla bla bla" and she can get validated. This is subtle as fuck but if you know what to look for and you've watched the Julien shit I link on devalidating girls etc it's like neon signs blinking in your face.

– even when he pretends to remember her now, he doesn't say anything ABOUT her, it's just a generic oh I remember you you saw me on tour. So again she's not getting any real validation from him, he still has no idea who she is, and what have she already demonstrated she does when she doesn't get validation? She chases it, 'cause she needs it. She's trying to get blood from a stone lol How can we confirm this? As you'll see, when he starts validating her and chasing her, she starts shit-testing him and playing hard to get…which doesn't make sense in blue pill world, she should jump on his dick since she wants him, but she doesn't WANT him to validate her. This is another deep concept where guys infield will find that when they validate a girl she'll often run off because she got what she wanted…this is why a girl will make out with you all night then go home with her friends and flake on your date the next day, because she got validated

– "wanna get a drink?" He doesn't say it in seeking rapport like "wanna? get? a? drink????" (hard to emphasize in text lol but you know, the up-talk shit nervous guys do around hot girls) To him it's just like ya whatever, wanna get a drink? He just assumes she'll want to. Again this comes down to "I am the prize" mentalities, which he developed through stripping probably, but you can develop through inner-game work and field experience without his looks (again see Patrice O'Neal that I'm linking below, he's fat as fuck but had a full "I am the prize" mentality).

– also he's LEADING her, another key PUA concept, he takes her to another area of the bar…every time you enter a new area with a girl, she's gaining the experience of "when I follow him somewhere, nothing bad happens and we have a good time" which is why we do a lot of venue changing. Like Mystery said "I'd rather have 1 hour in 5 venues with a girl than 5 hours in 1 venue"

– on top of that, the leading is also a compliance test to see if she'll follow which is a guage for where her attraction is at (though he's probably doing that subconsciously, almost allof this is probably subconscious for him just like most Naturals, but we can do the same stuff just with conscious competence)

– so to recap so far, in just *30 FUCKING SECONDS* of ONE interaction we've seen that this guy has solid body language, solid eye-contact, abundance mentalities, "I am the prize" frame, is unreactive, is comfortable with silence, qualifies the girl, forces her to invest in the interaction, doesn't seek rapport, doesn't pedestalize her, doesn't try to impress her, negs her, devalidates her, refuses to give her the validation she wants, assumes success, leads, compliance tests, etc etc etc

– did you see ANY of this when you first watched this? With your "THIS GUY IS GOOD LOOKING I KNEW IT YAREALLY IS EXAGGREATING!!" mindsets? Can any of you guys watch the rest of this episode before reading the rest of my breakdown and guess at all the stuff I'm about to breakdown? Because if you want to get good, you should already pro-actively be DOING that before you continue reading.

– "if you buy this round, I'll buy all of your rounds for the rest of the night" A guy with that much attraction shouldn't have to bribe her like that really, but a lot of Naturals aren't as efficient as they COULD be because they aren't doing stuff consciously, they're just going with their gut and trying to secure the lay as solid as possible VS doing just enough to get the lay…it's like someone who punches as hard as they can in a fight VS someone who picks their shots and just goes for the knockout blows. Neither method is really better or worse, it's just that a Natural like this can be a bit inefficient and waste more money/time/energy than he actually needs to when you understand attraction. He could already bang her in the bathroom right now, he doesn't need the rest of this interaction or the next interaction, but he likely doesn't understand that (he knows she's attracted but is still going through the traditional process of buying her drinks etc) and/or likely isn't that into her to know if he wants to do that yet. But a guy like myself would see these windows and just escalate on her to fuck in the bathroom right now instead of doing all this other stuff…but that's because as PUAs we shoot for efficiency, do as little as possible to get the lay. On top of all that, he's forcing her to invest in the interaction and most guys would offer to buy her a drink as an apology for not remembering her, but he not only doesn't remember but ALSO expects her to buy him a drink…full abundance and "I am the prize" mentality. Do YOU view yourself that way? Why not? Because you don't look like him and society told you if you don't look like him you shouldn't feel good about yourself? Welcome to social conditiong…if you felt good about yourself, you wouldn't buy all these consumer goods that can fix you and you might not settle for an ugly fat wife who doesn't put out.

– most people will probably just see this as "he says buy me a drink and then she does", but what they'll miss is the laser-eyes staredown after he makes his offer. They're having an ENTIRE CONVERSATION with their eyes that isn't verbalized. Watch the muscles around her eyes and her smile as she stares him down after they finish talking…she's looking for him to flinch or backtrack or fill the silence, and he's just rock solid with her staring her down probably even starting to grin a bit but we can't tell from the camera angle. Thing is, this is her shit-testing him to see if he's going to crack under pressure and she's looking in his eyes to see if he's going to hold his frame, and he does, and her attraction spikes. Re-watch that 2 seconds of staredown over and over and watch how you can practically read her thought process as she goes from testing him, to realizing he's solid, to more attracted. But most guys will just see the surface of this, especially in-person when it happens in real-time, and miss ALL OF THIS AMAZING SUBCOMM SHIT THAT'S GOING ON and clear as day when you know what to look for. I can GUARANTEE your tall good-looking buddy who "doesn't do ANYTHING" is doing shit like this and you just can't see it because you don't know how to read these subcomms yet, because you don't know these subcomms are what build attraction, because when you see something like this you go "oh he's just good-looking so that's why she likes him" and you hinder your own progress.

– "I'll buy this round" "exactly" He passed the shit-test, so she caves in a flurry of giggles and invests. So now on top of holding his frame (which demonstrates abundance because only a guy with abundance will hold his frame in the face of a hot girl), laser eye-contact which creates more sexual tension, forcing her to invest (making her buy him a drink, even if he bribed her to do it (which he probably didn't need to do, but again Naturals sometimes aren't efficient)), and all the zillion little subcomms and game principles he's executed that I've already pointed out, when she DOES cave to buy him the drink he doesn't go "Really???" he goes "Exactly" like he KNEW she was going to cave and like she's doing the right thing caving and like he just assumes success and attraction and that his frame is the dominant frame and she's falling into line as she should, which is all subcommunicating abundance etc etc

– NOTHING I'VE WRITTEN SO FAR HAS TO DO WITH HIS LOOKS. ALL of it is just PUA principles in action, that he's executing subconsciously because while you were typing a forum comment he was doing a striptease for 20 drunk chicks who grope him. So while you have to go out infield and gain all the reference experiences and do the video-watching affirmations and mindset shifting inner-game work to get yourself to where he is, there's nothing he's doing that you can't do. The ONLY thing his looks have done for him is get him the initial open. He could've dropped the ball in a dozen places (watch any Keys episode where the good-looking guy gets blown out because he has shitty game for examples of that shit)

– He rewards with a Statement of Interest for buying the drink, again standard PUA shit when they comply they get rewarded when they don't they get punished. He's doing it subconscioulsy but he's still following PUA (because PUA isn't THEORY, it's backwards engineered from what Naturals do and explained for guys to learn and execute). Most guys would tell the girl she looks beautiful right away, but he's been devalidating her (by accident or otherwise) for the whole interaction so far, and now FINALLY rewards her with interest. Again this is the James Dean smile, now that she's EARNED it (in her mind), it's WORTH something.

– when he asks for her number he says "So you gonna gimme your number?" in neutral rapport, almost like a statement like he just expects success…VS how a lot of guys do it "So?? umm?? can I?? like?? have your number??? maybe??? we can go out?? and I'll buy you dinner?? it's all on me don't worry???" (see the Meatus episode of Keys for that shit, where he promises lobster dinners to the girls, fucking embarrassing shit and even the judges hate on him for it and the girls roll their eyes as he walks away)

– but even THEN look at her face when he asks for her number…she doesn't even give it up right away she gives him a look like she's pretending to think about whether she should. Because the SECOND he starts chasing her, she starts to feel validated and naturally falls into the "now I'm going to play hard to get because he's chasing me" role. We know she's attracted to him, so of course she gives him the number, but if he had KEPT validating her, despite blue pill logic which would say she'd just get MORE attracted to him, she's showing right here that she would actually start to LOSE attraction. As you'll see, she'll do more of this in their second interaction.

– "you can put it under sexy black chick" Now that he's validated her slightly, she's back into cocky "I am the prize" mode and you can hear it in her tonality as she says that

– what does he do? Another neg/devalidation with the "what you're black?" thing. Like he doesn't care at all about impressing her and then turns his back to her as he says "I'm kidding" to her friends…so now on top of tooling her he's doing it in front of her friends, so the social pressure of the devalidation is even HIGHER (tease an HB10 in front of her friends VS one on one alone with her and you'll see the difference), which means the chasing from her will go even higher, and she gets up in his space even more

– their laser eye-contact is increasing, again watch their eyes, and she's giving iois bla bla, and all most guys will see at this point is "oh a good-looking guy had a hot girl jump on his dick, I better hit the gym and get jacked I knew looks matter!!!!" and they'll miss ALL OF THIS SHIT I've written that the guys who are good at game see when we watch interactions like this and is the reason we get the attraction this guy gets without looking like him. This is why Tyler has infield of girls telling him he's sexy when that makes no fucking sense by blue pill social conditioning (which is what "looks matters" is) lol

– also notice that despite how attracted she is, she still needs HIM to make the move to avoid ASD…she lasers and plays with her hair and kino/hugs him and is like "anyhoo…" trying to get him to just make a move, because even though he's good-looking he still has to get around ASD and lead. This is where a lot of good-looking guys drop the ball, they don't take the lead and the girl WANTS to fuck them but nope, he didn't learn game so he didn't learn to lead. If you left the bar right now after seeing this, you'd think "see looks matter!!" But all we care about is "did he put his P in her V or not? And if not, when he had THAT much attraction, WHY not? What went wrong?"

– now the biggest diss/neg in the universe, he just walks away suddenly when she's throwing herself at him lol fucking hilarious. Look at her face, she's SO fucking confused lol But what have we established over and over so far that this girl will do when she's devalidated? She'll chase harder. Again he probably doesn't understand any of this consciously, he's just not that into her probably and he has a game to win etc, but what's coming across from HER perspective is that this is a guy with INSANE abundance who keeps devalidating her and she's going to be determined to "get" him

– look at her face after that devalidation as she says he can come find her later lol She is so fucking butthurt. But that's fine because what have I said a million fucking times? Make them feel the FULL RANGE OF EMOTIONS, the FULL EMOTIONAL ROLLERCOASTER, that means BAD emotions as well as GOOD ones. When he comes back later she'll have forgotten some of this butthurt feeling and he'll smooth the rest over. Do you think any other guy in the bar will be on her radar after this interaction though? With their "hi you're so beautiful so uhh can I buy you a drink maybe?" shitty game? Fuck no. This guy has made HUGE emotional impact on this chick than any guy probably has in years because most guys don't have the abundance, "I am the prize", etc etc mentalities and subcomms to make this kind of impact on her and treat her this way.

So how much of this did you see when you watched it? Because 99.9% of guys won't see ANY of this. And a bunch of guys who read this will just reply with "YAREALLY IS CRAZY HE OVERANALYZES TOO MUCH OMG" because they aren't thinking on the level that the analytical guys like Tyler, Julien, Mystery, myself, etc think on that are able to explain all this shit in this level of depth. But this stuff stands out like neon flashing lights to us, in the moment, as it's happening. This is why I recommend this show…you guys should be watching these episodes and analyzing EVERY interaction this way, the good-looking guys, the ugly guys, the successful ones, the failures, this show is a fucking GOLDMINE of shit to study, especially when you're looking at it through the subcommunication lens instead of "whatever I don't wanna watch this one, this guy is too good-looking that's why he gets girls". In fact you'll learn more from watching those guys and looking past their looks to see why they're getting attraction, than you'll learn from watching the Cajun type guys, because you expect Cajun to have to have game, but no one expects the good-looking guys to have game…and yet they can't explain why some good-looking guys get laid in the bathroom and other good-looking guys get blown out all night, because if they tried to explain how the "looks matter" results can be inconsistent like that they'd have to start questioning their entire world view…it's a lot easier to post a picture of a fat guy and sarcastically dismiss what I'm saying. God forbid we'd want to LEARN about ATTRACTION in a forum of guys LEARNING to ATTRACT women. Fuck me, right? lol

Work is slow right now so let's break down the second interaction these two have at 16:00 into the video:

– first up this is their now THIRD interaction (Halifax, then the first interaction, now this one), so like, that's huge Comfort/Rapport he's got to begin with

– again with the good body-language etc as he walks toward them

– note his eye-contact as he approaches them, he locks onto the friend and moves in on her and gives her the down and up checkout, and he starts in with a cocky/funny opener. He already has Attraction/Rapport and basic Comfort in that set so he knows he can get away with this. Also logic dictates that her friend at some point (editing and whatnot) told him her friend thinks he's hot too, which is what he's calling out here. "SEE, LOOKS MATTERRR!!!!!11" Again looks will get you some iois and shit like that, I've stressed that every fucking time I write about looks, but those little gimmes don't mean anything if you don't have the game to take them from ioi to P in V and you can get those iois by just DHV'ing in a million other ways (social proof, preselection, peacocking and passing shit-tests, etc etc, which is AGAIN why I say GAME is the toolbox, and looks are just another DHV tool like social proof, preselection etc, except that some guys CAN'T look good and looks can take tons of time and energy and investment to achieve, whereas you can get social proof and preselection with a 30 second conversation, what's more efficient?😛 lol)

– "Says who???" pretending to be offended. Instead of explaining himself and reacting hard he just shrugs and raises his hand no fucks given.

– notice how the original girl shifts her body language to be cuddled up to him, because for a second he gives her friend attention and she thinks "hey wait you're supposed to be mine!!" and gets up in on him, probably subconsciously, to protect her prize. Did anyone notice that the first time they saw this? That's the kind of stuff you want to notice if you're running mixed sets.

– "I'm gonna go buy her a drink because she promised me one" Note that he gets a bit of a shit-test, both girls get in on it too…this is the point where a lot of guys would fuck it up. He stares the chick down and then says he'll buy her a drink too. He could've handled it a lot of other ways that don't involve spending money but again Naturals sometimes aren't as efficient as they could be…he figured the easiest path was to spend some money so he went that route and he has enough Attraction already that they're happy. It wasn't a hard shit-test, they really just wanted to see what he would do…if he was a beta pretending to be an alpha he might fuck up there and get super reactive and supplicating etc but instead he just almost bored says basically fine you can have one too, like he knows she's just being a silly girl shit-testing him. He's already walking toward the bar before she finishes saying "Okay" because he just knows from interacting with a lot of women as a stripper that women do shit like this. Look at his body-language, you can tell he's just like "fuck girls are retarded" lol Again all of this subcomms that he understands women and is used to girls shit-testing and doesn't really care. If he had just walked away his girl would probably hunt him down…it's one of those shit-tests where they EXPECT him to pass it and HOPE that he doesn't fail it, they don't REALLY care about the drink or want to scare him off, they just want to see how he's going to handle it and he handled it by treating them like silly girls.

– He tries to isolate her (oh look, a PUA concept, isolate the girl from her friends…but I thought he was just "good-looking" and that's why he gets her, you mean there's actually GAME CONCEPTS being applied here???) and she gives minor resistance because him trying to isolate her is him chasing her and that's a turn-off so she shit-tests him with "why?" to see if he gets reactive. Again a lot of guys will drop the ball here and not just play it cool and assume success/attraction

– Now their conversation sounds retarded "How's it going?" "it's going"…but watch their eye-contact, they're doing laser eye-contact, and cutting the space (which escalates sexual tension). The words stop mattering because they're subcommunicating. This is probably the number one thing Naturals do that results in guys going "he doesn't do anything he just goes up and says you're cute and then she wants to fuck him it must be his looks", because when you're subcommunicating with laser eyes, you both stop focusing on the words so they just become simplistic and trail off mid-sentence etc If you've done laser eyes you'll know what I'm talking about, it's when you hit that lock point after a few seconds of it. This is so fucking key but most guys will never go out and DO this let alone be able to spot when other people do it, especially in-person when we don't have great camera angles to see it…so when they can't explain what's going on they'll look at their socially conditioned paradigm which says "Well he's good-looking and probably has a big dick so that's what it is" because it wasn't some kind of explanation even if that doesn't hold up or there's tons of counter-evidence etc. And they won't believe anything I'm writing because they don't GO OUT and DO THIS consciously and experiment and understand it. No one is going to go out and spend a few months opening sets without talking to work on their laser eye-contact, but they SHOULD before they comment on how shit works because until they've done that kind of thing they won't understand it…but they'll be sure enough of what they think they know, to write a comment saying looks matter lol

– now the makeout, yay. COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE if you're watching the subcomms, and something anyone can duplicate if they duplicate his subcomms…but like AFC Tom Cruise there says "if only everyone could be so LUCKY", because to him it's just "luck", the same way to other guys it's just "looks".

– then note more laser eye-contact silent subcomm conversation between them before she says she has to use the washroom, they both know they're going to fuck, but it's in the subcomms…I've literally linked Liam and Gambler's videos on how to STEP BY STEP create this kind of sexual tension with laser eye-contact, how many people have watched those vids multiple times and gone out and PRACTICED it for months in every fucking set they're in?

– plausible deniability in that bathroom comment too, she still has to work around her ASD, she can't say "come to the washroom and fuck me" it has to "just happen"…if he said "Want to come fuck me in the bathroom?" most guys who don't get how this shit works would say "she'll just say OH GOD YES CHAD THUNDERCOCK" and jump on his dick but in reality her ASD would trigger and she would reject him even though she doesn't WANT to, because her ASD wouldn't allow her to be a slut, ESPECIALLY saying it in front of her friend. It's not that it COULDN'T work, but that it would be a VERY low % chance of it working VS doing what he does where he goes with the fake excuse.

– at the end the guy shrugs like "I dunno what happened I guess I'm having sex" to the camera lol and in his mind he probably DOESN'T know what happened. Hell, even HE may say "just gotta get jacked brah girls like muscles" because most guys can't spot any of this shit and aren't doing it consciously.

Now to bring this all back to what I said at the start: look how much was going on in that interaction that you brushed off as "he's good-looking". Look how much learning you missed out on because of your shitty blue pill social conditioning that's still got you wrapped in its tentacles strangling your potential. Where most guys will watch this show and just look for things that confirm their already established mindsets, guys who take learning this shit seriously and start actually questioning their beliefs and going out infield to test them regularly will take a shitload out of a show like this. These episodes are a GOLDMINE to learn from.

So ya, his looks got him an open. Awesome. Like I've always said, looks will get you some free gimme iois and Approach Invites and shit…but it's GAME that's relevant. You can get those iois and AIs and shit from a ton of other much more efficient DHVs like social proof, preselection, peacocking, etc. It's a lot faster to just make a waitress giggle and laugh and shake a bartenders hand to build preselection than it is to go hit the gym for a year…if you want to work out, cool, do it for your health, and I'll start doing it any day now myself since I'm old (but I banged a 20yo on NYE, competing with a bunch of other extrovert alpha athlete dudes in the group I was with including directly competing with them, and shit like that makes it like "fuck, why bother working out??" lol). But like, it doesn't really matter for pickup.

Now that we've gone through how I view the episode, here's some homework for you guys:

Here's an episode of Keys to the VIP with one of the best pickups on the show, Josh the Matador on pickup number 3 at 18:20:

Most guys, who won't get good at game, will say "oh look at this guy, he's a tall jacked deep-voiced chisled-jaw good-looking white guy so of course he got the girl" and they won't learn anything from this. I knew a guy who wouldn't even WATCH this because it hurt his confidence to see a tall good-looking white guy get girls, he only wanted to watch the underdogs get them. He missed out on a ton of learning.

Watch this guy's bio and the whole episode, but in this 3rd pickup in particular do you just see a good-looking guy getting the girl, or can you see where he's doing:

– preselection (demonstrated thru subcomms/mindsets)
– leader of men
– protector of loved ones
– willingness to emote
– successful risk taker

"O SHIT YAREALLY DATS DAT MYSTERY METHOD STUFF U TALKED ABOUT!!!11"

What other subcomms can you see him demonstrating? Watch his bio, where is he developing these mindsets and such from and how does he fuel them? And if you don't look like him and don't play sports, how can you create similar mindsets and fuel for yourself with what you DO have? Does throwing a football around actually make him more attractive, or is it that doing something competently gives him confidence etc and he carries that to the bar? Do you have to do pushups with a girl on your back or are there other ways you can build attraction and use preselection and social proof to get attraction that don't involve doing pushups and chestbumps? What exactly does that crazy pre-game do for him? Is he rolling into the field in a shitty mood feeling self-conscious thinking "aw gosh I hope girls like me tonight :("? Is it the booze that does it, or are there other ways you can get into this same mindset? Even HE thinks "it's sports cuz men do sports rarrrr" which is great, but if I give you a magic penny and convince you that penny makes you attractive to women, and you believe it as much as he believes sports help, you'll be giving off the same subcomms he does and you'll get attraction when you interact with women.

99% of game is mental. But you have to accept that your mental wiring has been all fucked up by society before you'll believe it and understand what I'm saying. Spend time watching this show and analyzing it instead of posting sarcastic fat guy pics and telling guys I'm exaggerating lol At this stage a lot of you guys don't even know what you don't know. That's why I push you to go out and hit the field, because you're not going to learn it from reading my shit. You have to go experience it yourself.

The biggest problem most guys have is that they won't let themselves believe they're attractive so they won't act like a guy that's attractive by society's blue pill conditioning standards. But hey, if you'd rather read some more Harvard studies about how you can't get women, instead of just going out and breaking the rules like the rest of us, that's your decision, it won't affect my dick getting wet, except from the tears I cry over watching so many guys letting so much of their potential go to waste lol

@scribblerg
"But maybe YaReally can tell us how this guy is going to score a 23 yr old hottie by having really good game."

You think Patrice O'Neal had any trouble getting pussy? Even before he was popular? When he effortlessly bitch-slaps a playboy model with the red pill like this?:

Here's Patrice with advice for fat dudes…this guy has better internals than 99% of the people reading red pill shit combined lol:

@talprofs
"I, too, would be keen to hear what YaReally / Scray might have to say on this subject"

Don't shit where you eat or you'll end up having to eat somewhere else. No advice because if you like that club you shouldn't be macking the girls in it, you should be out finding other girls you can fuck things up with or get oneitis for or creep out or end up with drama with without it affecting your day to day personal quality of life. That's why we send guys into nightclubs, full of girls who will never remember them.


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on January 14th, 2016 at 4:55 am
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@Striver
“Yes, I believe a fat guy with game can get laid. But what if a fat guy doesn’t have game? Then he’s even worse off. Why tie that ball and chain around your leg when you don’t have to?”

As I’ve said before the reason I stress this stuff is because guys who are new to game will look for ANYTHING they can attach their self-worth to that isn’t THEMSELVES. When you tell a newbie “bro just make money bitches love money” or “just get jacked” or “just get a custom-fitted suit” etc etc what he’ll do is he won’t approach girls because he doesn’t have those things, but since you’ve given him a path to take he’ll go out and GET those things because YOU told him they’ll make him attractive to women and he can’t wrap his head around the idea that HE, inherently, can be attractive to women.

And you know what? He’ll get LAID too. Because a year later he’ll finally be down in weight and finally go out and talk to girls, and because you told him he has this external superpower, he’ll talk to them confidently, which will help fix his subcomms, which will get him laid.

Awesome right? He got laid!! THAT’S the important part. Let’s just ship him off as a finished product now.

You know who else went that route? EVERY FUCKING PUA FROM THE 2000s lol And how did a lot of THOSE guys turn out? Fucked UP. Why? Because a lot of them were basing their self-worth on external shit. We KNOW this fucks guys up long-term and we know it ends up adding years to the learning curve where the guy has to unwire a bunch of bad programming he’s wired up because he listened to shit like “you better have a long enough dick brah” and been focused on his externals and puts all his worth in them. And god forbid he LOSE his externals, like he gains some weight back or has a financial situation or his suit is at the cleaners…you’d think “well he’ll still approach” but nope, you tied all his value to his externals. You didn’t INTEND to, you were just trying to help him get a jumpstart in his N-count, but newbies take that ball and run with it because they’ve never had success before so whatever they have success with they will hold onto with a DEATH GRIP and attribute their success to.

Guys will like, wear the same “lucky shirt” for years because they got laid with it. And that’ll give them short-term confidence, but when that shirt doesn’t fit or gets ripped etc, and they have to go out in some “other shirt”, they will end up having to start over at almost ground zero because their confidence wasn’t based internally. And that’s if they have a great attitude about it and try to work through it…the ones who get caught up in the depression of “I no longer have that external attribute😦 I can’t get girls now sigh” will stop going out and will take an incredibly depressing downward spiral that they sometimes don’t come out of.

On top of all that, guys will compare themselves to other guys, because that’s what humans do, and every other guy out there who’s put any kind of effort in the gym will be more jacked than them and they’ll think “well since being jacked = value, and these guys are more jacked, they must have higher value than me” which will make him not approach the girls he could be getting and he’ll stick to the uggos, he won’t approach sets with better looking dudes than him and LEARN that most guys have shitty game, he’ll spend years not getting the results he could’ve gotten and just bottom-feeding the easy sets because you told him he should hit the gym to improve his odds and as a newbie with no reference for how this shit works, he took that and turned it into “you have to be jacked to get girls” and spent years going down the wrong path. And what happens to a guy who bangs 6s for years? He gets depressed because he didn’t get into the game to bang 6s, he got in the game to bang HOT girls he actually WANTS instead of the girls he “can get” and now he’s got ANOTHER shitload of bad wiring to undo and work around that he could’ve avoided if he had been taught properly from the start.

This isn’t about just getting guys laid, this is about building guys up properly and working around newbie traps to save guys years of problems and depression in the long run.

“I work out because it makes me feel good. It makes me look good, which makes me feel good.”

This is a good reason to work out. I’ve never told guys NOT to work out and I tell them to work out for these reasons. But scan through the Forever Alone club on the MISC and ask anyone who’s hung around bodybuilding guys for a bunch of guys who are working out “to get girls” and finding out their internals are too fucked up to get or keep girls. That’s why a lot of those guys aren’t dating 10s, they’re often dating 6s. Because their internals are fucked up.

Wear the custom-fitted suit because you like it, not because you think it’ll get you pussy. Girls don’t care about your suit, they just care about the emotional impact you have on them and you can have emotional impact being a skinny short balding man-boob ginger whatever like Tyler, Julien, myself, etc. You can go out TONIGHT and start learning to have an emotional impact on girls, but a shitload of newbies will hit the gym instead hoping that then they can walk into a room and all the girls’ heads will turn (even though there’s 20 other guys more jacked than them there).

To fully understand how Attraction works you have to understand that all the things you’re doing, whether it’s getting jacked, money, wearing a suit etc, are making you attractive because of what they’re doing to your subcomms, not because they’re inherently attractive to women. If they were inherently attractive to women, only the top jacked guys in the bar would get laid and all the hottest girls would be fucking them. If you think that’s how the world actually works then you need to go out more and open your fucking eyes lol ’cause that’s a cartoon vision of how it works. That’s the point of my last post about Keys to the VIP. “Oh it’s his LOOKS” No, it’s all this OTHER SHIT that guys who think “looks matter” miss because they have their head up their ass and don’t go out and push their comfort zones to find out why some guys with looks get laid like rockstars while other guys with looks are frustrated that they can’t get a girl to even have a conversation with them.

When you fix a guy’s externals but leave his internals all fucked up, you’re creating a ticking timebomb, and you’re not going to be around to help him when it explodes.</