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on September 20th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
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“I’ve pointed it out in many an essay; men are wired to solve problems with a rudimentary, deductive logic process.”

This and the recent solipsism talk reminded me of a really old post from early Tyler (pre The Game).

From Page 49 of the Tyler Digest: http://www.scribd.com/doc/276760/Tyler-Durden-The-Tyler-Digest#scribd

“QUICK REVIEW (this stuff is to the best of my recollection, and its been a longtime since I read ‘The Sexual Key’.. this is the main USEFUL part of it):

As explained in “The Sexual Key”, men like LINEAR progress, women like INTERNAL progress.

MEN: Goal -> Goal -> Accomplishment

“I got the scholarship.” -> “I don’t have to work this summer.” -> “I havemore time to pick up chicks.”

THE PAYOFF IS THE RESULT (“more time” in this case)

WOMEN:

—->—-goal–>———>——-\
……………………………………… |
.. /——->—-goal—->—–….. V
…^…………………………….. \…. |
…|……………………………… |…. |
…^….. accomplishment—-/ …V
…|…………………………………… |
.. \—–goal—–<–goal—- “That validated my choices.” -> “That showed me that I truly do have academic potential.” -> “That made me feel incredible because it showed me more about myself.”

THE PAYOFF IS THE EMOTION, THAT RESULTED FROM A DEEPERUNDERSTANDING OFHERSELF, AND DISCOVERING HER *UNKNOWN/HIDDEN POTENTIALS*. (in this case, her academic abilities)

Too bad my ONION DIAGRAM in the Chick’s inwards-looking thought process doesn’t seem to have translated properly..It looks like a LOOP, going in.. like water draining into a bathtub..

Chicks thought process is not LINEAR, but goes from the outer surface, to the DEEPER IMPLICATIONS..This is why E.S.P., and PALM-READING is fucking CRACK for chicks.. its a FANTASY, that they can get DEEPER into their emotions, through something MYSTICALLY AUTHORITATIVE..

It’s like for GUYS, having a MILLION DOLLARS land on their laps, for NOREASON…For chicks, having emotional depths UNCOVERED for NO REASON – that’s the same thing.. The female EQUIVALENT to winning the lottery.

Except that unknown emotional potentials can be FAKED, unlike a million dollars which is MATERIAL.. its emotions being manipulated by the promise of NEW emotions.. its so EASY. Thus women’s fascination with cold-reading and other bullshit variants..”

I realize upon re-reading this that in our modern terminology he’s describing solipsism lol Women look internally at “but how does this affect ME and my EMOTIONS, how does it make me FEEL?” That emotional state IS the “accomplishment” of something to them and each step she takes when she’s viewing whether an action was good or bad starts from the external (“that was a bad thing”) and loops deeper and deeper internal (“I don’t like that person because they made me feel bad feelings”).

It’s funny because this didn’t make full sense to me back then, but now that Rollo’s broken solipsism down so clearly, the reason stuff like palm-reading and horoscopes and shit is like crack to them (and retarded to us) makes more sense.

Just found that funny, didn’t think of it this page he wrote till now when I read that “male logic VS female logic” stuff.

On sex-bots I skimmed the article quick: I’ve met a LOT of very socially awkward (LIFE-awkward, in all categories) guys who will definitely get a sex robot. They’re at home spanking it to porn all the time anyway with tons of money saved up because they don’t DO anything outside of their house, and they have a madonna/whore complex combined with a disney complex where they won’t go to a hooker because it’s a real woman but she will be faking her feelings for them and that doesn’t feel “right” it feels dirty and sleazy, but a sex doll is real enough to pretend but not SO REAL that it enters the hooker sleazy zone for them psychologically.

Personally I think the biggest hurdle of sex dolls catching on will be shipping and storage. ie – can the guy trust that it’ll be shipped anonymously and can it store away easily/fast hidden in the back of their closet so no one will ever find out and judge them for having it VS having a big clunky mannequin sitting in their bedroom or slid under the couch where someone might stumble across it.

I also think women will max out the shaming tactics on the whole thing and even attempt to rally up white knight hackers to pull an Ashley Madison on shipping records so they can publicly name and shame guys who order these things to discourage other guys from taking the chance on buying one. ’cause with a hooker you’ll run out of money eventually, or get caught, or be scared to get caught, or meet a crazy bitch, etc. But a sex doll would be infinite sex for one relatively small lump sum, so theoretically a sex doll is a greater threat to getting these guys providing for women and contributing to society than hookers.

I think they’re still a ways off, but you combine like a sex robot’s motions with synchronized occulus rift video (you wouldn’t even need the whole realistic looking mannequin, or maybe using Augmented Reality tech to put a realistic face on the mannequin), make it all under $5000 and make it easy to store/hide with minimal cleaning/effort and I think it will impact society on a notable level.

I think it’ll also help instigate my YaReally Reversion Theory ;) lol:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/2/#comment-rationalmale-87187

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/2/#comment-heartiste-650345

2050 will voluntarily-on-women’s-part be the new 1950. lol I fully expect to have a better selection of women bringing more to the table in 2025, that’s why I’m not even remotely planning to settle down before that (late-40s for me).


Planned Obsolescence

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on September 20th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
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“I’ve pointed it out in many an essay; men are wired to solve problems with a rudimentary, deductive logic process.”

This and the recent solipsism talk reminded me of a really old post from early Tyler (pre The Game).

From Page 49 of the Tyler Digest: http://www.scribd.com/doc/276760/Tyler-Durden-The-Tyler-Digest#scribd

“QUICK REVIEW (this stuff is to the best of my recollection, and its been a longtime since I read ‘The Sexual Key’.. this is the main USEFUL part of it):

As explained in “The Sexual Key”, men like LINEAR progress, women like INTERNAL progress.

MEN: Goal -> Goal -> Accomplishment

“I got the scholarship.” -> “I don’t have to work this summer.” -> “I havemore time to pick up chicks.”

THE PAYOFF IS THE RESULT (“more time” in this case)

WOMEN:

—->—-goal–>———>——-\
……………………………………… |
.. /——->—-goal—->—–….. V
…^…………………………….. \…. |
…|……………………………… |…. |
…^….. accomplishment—-/ …V
…|…………………………………… |
.. \—–goal—–<–goal—- “That validated my choices.” -> “That showed me that I truly do have academic potential.” -> “That made me feel incredible because it showed me more about myself.”

THE PAYOFF IS THE EMOTION, THAT RESULTED FROM A DEEPERUNDERSTANDING OFHERSELF, AND DISCOVERING HER *UNKNOWN/HIDDEN POTENTIALS*. (in this case, her academic abilities)

Too bad my ONION DIAGRAM in the Chick’s inwards-looking thought process doesn’t seem to have translated properly..It looks like a LOOP, going in.. like water draining into a bathtub..

Chicks thought process is not LINEAR, but goes from the outer surface, to the DEEPER IMPLICATIONS..This is why E.S.P., and PALM-READING is fucking CRACK for chicks.. its a FANTASY, that they can get DEEPER into their emotions, through something MYSTICALLY AUTHORITATIVE..

It’s like for GUYS, having a MILLION DOLLARS land on their laps, for NOREASON…For chicks, having emotional depths UNCOVERED for NO REASON – that’s the same thing.. The female EQUIVALENT to winning the lottery.

Except that unknown emotional potentials can be FAKED, unlike a million dollars which is MATERIAL.. its emotions being manipulated by the promise of NEW emotions.. its so EASY. Thus women’s fascination with cold-reading and other bullshit variants..”

I realize upon re-reading this that in our modern terminology he’s describing solipsism lol Women look internally at “but how does this affect ME and my EMOTIONS, how does it make me FEEL?” That emotional state IS the “accomplishment” of something to them and each step she takes when she’s viewing whether an action was good or bad starts from the external (“that was a bad thing”) and loops deeper and deeper internal (“I don’t like that person because they made me feel bad feelings”).

It’s funny because this didn’t make full sense to me back then, but now that Rollo’s broken solipsism down so clearly, the reason stuff like palm-reading and horoscopes and shit is like crack to them (and retarded to us) makes more sense.

Just found that funny, didn’t think of it this page he wrote till now when I read that “male logic VS female logic” stuff.

On sex-bots I skimmed the article quick: I’ve met a LOT of very socially awkward (LIFE-awkward, in all categories) guys who will definitely get a sex robot. They’re at home spanking it to porn all the time anyway with tons of money saved up because they don’t DO anything outside of their house, and they have a madonna/whore complex combined with a disney complex where they won’t go to a hooker because it’s a real woman but she will be faking her feelings for them and that doesn’t feel “right” it feels dirty and sleazy, but a sex doll is real enough to pretend but not SO REAL that it enters the hooker sleazy zone for them psychologically.

Personally I think the biggest hurdle of sex dolls catching on will be shipping and storage. ie – can the guy trust that it’ll be shipped anonymously and can it store away easily/fast hidden in the back of their closet so no one will ever find out and judge them for having it VS having a big clunky mannequin sitting in their bedroom or slid under the couch where someone might stumble across it.

I also think women will max out the shaming tactics on the whole thing and even attempt to rally up white knight hackers to pull an Ashley Madison on shipping records so they can publicly name and shame guys who order these things to discourage other guys from taking the chance on buying one. ’cause with a hooker you’ll run out of money eventually, or get caught, or be scared to get caught, or meet a crazy bitch, etc. But a sex doll would be infinite sex for one relatively small lump sum, so theoretically a sex doll is a greater threat to getting these guys providing for women and contributing to society than hookers.

I think they’re still a ways off, but you combine like a sex robot’s motions with synchronized occulus rift video (you wouldn’t even need the whole realistic looking mannequin, or maybe using Augmented Reality tech to put a realistic face on the mannequin), make it all under $5000 and make it easy to store/hide with minimal cleaning/effort and I think it will impact society on a notable level.

I think it’ll also help instigate my YaReally Reversion TheoryπŸ˜‰ lol:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/2/#comment-rationalmale-87187

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/2/#comment-heartiste-650345

2050 will voluntarily-on-women’s-part be the new 1950. lol I fully expect to have a better selection of women bringing more to the table in 2025, that’s why I’m not even remotely planning to settle down before that (late-40s for me).


Planned Obsolescence

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on September 20th, 2015 at 8:44 pm
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Also scroll down in that sexbots article to the comment section and read the “Missie Anthrogynyvous” comments for an epic hamster in a blender spin. I bet Rollo could write a dozen articles on all the solipsism (trying to shame men saying the bot will be just a sex object which stings for her but doesn’t bother us at all because she can’t relate to how men think and projects that we must be bothered by the same “he’d be my servant and I’d just turn him off as soon as he yapped too much” thing that she’s clearly bothered) and shaming tactics (men who want a woman to like them are narcissists etc) and everything (even the dropping that she has a husband, just so we know she’s “attractive” and her opinion should carry weight because vagina lol).

It’s just interesting to see how much she’s trying to use what bothers HER against men and completely doesn’t understand that we read her comments and think “lol so what? is this supposed to bother me?”

And from a red pill perspective it’s far easier to duplicate what men want from women during sex and outside the bedroom than what women need from men in both situations.

“Of course, women will swarm like bees to honey when the first Malebots become commercially available.”

Like she doesn’t get that that doesn’t bother the men who will buy these because those men don’t have ACCESS to those women anyway. They’re not losing anything. But those women have access to pretty much all men if they want/need it (if not as AF then at least as BB while they have AF on the side), so a large movement of men removing her access to them is a significant loss.

This will be fascinating to watch play out…what happens when the majority of men refuse to commit and learn enough game to have fuckbuddies only, and the men who don’t do that all have sexbots to take care of their sexual needs, and ALL OF THOSE MEN have access to something like http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/ ?

We live in interesting times, I’ll make us some popcorn.


Planned Obsolescence

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on September 20th, 2015 at 8:44 pm
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Also scroll down in that sexbots article to the comment section and read the “Missie Anthrogynyvous” comments for an epic hamster in a blender spin. I bet Rollo could write a dozen articles on all the solipsism (trying to shame men saying the bot will be just a sex object which stings for her but doesn’t bother us at all because she can’t relate to how men think and projects that we must be bothered by the same “he’d be my servant and I’d just turn him off as soon as he yapped too much” thing that she’s clearly bothered) and shaming tactics (men who want a woman to like them are narcissists etc) and everything (even the dropping that she has a husband, just so we know she’s “attractive” and her opinion should carry weight because vagina lol).

It’s just interesting to see how much she’s trying to use what bothers HER against men and completely doesn’t understand that we read her comments and think “lol so what? is this supposed to bother me?”

And from a red pill perspective it’s far easier to duplicate what men want from women during sex and outside the bedroom than what women need from men in both situations.

“Of course, women will swarm like bees to honey when the first Malebots become commercially available.”

Like she doesn’t get that that doesn’t bother the men who will buy these because those men don’t have ACCESS to those women anyway. They’re not losing anything. But those women have access to pretty much all men if they want/need it (if not as AF then at least as BB while they have AF on the side), so a large movement of men removing her access to them is a significant loss.

This will be fascinating to watch play out…what happens when the majority of men refuse to commit and learn enough game to have fuckbuddies only, and the men who don’t do that all have sexbots to take care of their sexual needs, and ALL OF THOSE MEN have access to something like http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/ ?

We live in interesting times, I’ll make us some popcorn.


Planned Obsolescence

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on September 22nd, 2015 at 12:22 pm
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Too busy to read the thread but wanted to throw this out there:

We all know about the grasseaters in Japan, but here’s an in-depth look at how a lot of beta guys are happy enough even without the physical sexbot:

The middle of this where he visits the cuddling girl is fucking creepy as fuck lol:

This goes back to what I was saying where a lot of guys learn pickup to feel wanted by a girl, that’s why they don’t just go pay a hooker to get their dick wet. They want to feel like they have value and no one taught them to internally feel valuable by default (and in fact society promotes the OPPOSITE message) so they seek validation from others to feel good about themselves, and these dating sim games simulate that.

Also interesting is that a lot of the dating sims simulate push/pull etc too, the player can piss the girl off or make her sad and his white knight complex gets a workout and he gets a little rollercoaster of emotion.

This was an interesting look at current tech and how some people recognize how much money will be involved in this in the future:

At the end of that last documentary, we already know guys shower webcam girls and YouTube chicks with money to build a pretend relationship in their head (because they have tons of money to burn, they don’t go out or have girlfriends or anything)..combine a webcam girl, filming herself with a 3d camera setup so the guy on the other end is wearing Occulus and sees her in 3d, he has the remote control jackoff sleeve dildo thing linked to her and she’s riding it and blowing it and shit, all while saying his name etc like a webcam show but she can charge way more because it’s a full experience, and the sleeve feels like a vag/mouth and is in sync with what he’s seeing and hearing (and maybe smelling etc).

Combine all that and like, you have a pretty reasonable simulation of sex for a beta guy that’s relatively cheap equipment-wise and doesn’t require a real-doll and there’s no actual prostitution, the girl doesn’t risk STDs or danger and can manage her own business/income and “fuck” dozens of hundreds of guys at once if she doesn’t say their name (highest bidder gets to tell her what to do etc), and it’s all anonymous.

And notice the girl can’t wrap her head around it because she’s like “this isn’t sex”, but the guy clearly had an alright time, and he didn’t have 3d footage of girls specifically synchronized and personalized to him and what he’s feeling by a girl who’s specifically into it VS just idly playing with a toy she thinks is “weird”.

I can’t imagine a lot of guys not having this setup, it would probably be cheaper and easier to hide than a doll. We already know the webcam girl business model works, this is simply the natural evolution.

Bars will be interesting in the future, who knows there may be like a 5:1 ratio of women:men in bars in 10 years because most men just say “fuck it it costs $50 in drinks and cover and coat check for a night out, I can drop that on a 3d tech-toy webcam girl and get what’s close enough to sex to make me happy.”


Planned Obsolescence

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on September 22nd, 2015 at 12:22 pm
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Too busy to read the thread but wanted to throw this out there:

We all know about the grasseaters in Japan, but here’s an in-depth look at how a lot of beta guys are happy enough even without the physical sexbot:

The middle of this where he visits the cuddling girl is fucking creepy as fuck lol:

This goes back to what I was saying where a lot of guys learn pickup to feel wanted by a girl, that’s why they don’t just go pay a hooker to get their dick wet. They want to feel like they have value and no one taught them to internally feel valuable by default (and in fact society promotes the OPPOSITE message) so they seek validation from others to feel good about themselves, and these dating sim games simulate that.

Also interesting is that a lot of the dating sims simulate push/pull etc too, the player can piss the girl off or make her sad and his white knight complex gets a workout and he gets a little rollercoaster of emotion.

This was an interesting look at current tech and how some people recognize how much money will be involved in this in the future:

At the end of that last documentary, we already know guys shower webcam girls and YouTube chicks with money to build a pretend relationship in their head (because they have tons of money to burn, they don’t go out or have girlfriends or anything)..combine a webcam girl, filming herself with a 3d camera setup so the guy on the other end is wearing Occulus and sees her in 3d, he has the remote control jackoff sleeve dildo thing linked to her and she’s riding it and blowing it and shit, all while saying his name etc like a webcam show but she can charge way more because it’s a full experience, and the sleeve feels like a vag/mouth and is in sync with what he’s seeing and hearing (and maybe smelling etc).

Combine all that and like, you have a pretty reasonable simulation of sex for a beta guy that’s relatively cheap equipment-wise and doesn’t require a real-doll and there’s no actual prostitution, the girl doesn’t risk STDs or danger and can manage her own business/income and “fuck” dozens of hundreds of guys at once if she doesn’t say their name (highest bidder gets to tell her what to do etc), and it’s all anonymous.

And notice the girl can’t wrap her head around it because she’s like “this isn’t sex”, but the guy clearly had an alright time, and he didn’t have 3d footage of girls specifically synchronized and personalized to him and what he’s feeling by a girl who’s specifically into it VS just idly playing with a toy she thinks is “weird”.

I can’t imagine a lot of guys not having this setup, it would probably be cheaper and easier to hide than a doll. We already know the webcam girl business model works, this is simply the natural evolution.

Bars will be interesting in the future, who knows there may be like a 5:1 ratio of women:men in bars in 10 years because most men just say “fuck it it costs $50 in drinks and cover and coat check for a night out, I can drop that on a 3d tech-toy webcam girl and get what’s close enough to sex to make me happy.”


Planned Obsolescence

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on September 23rd, 2015 at 4:24 pm
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@Sun Wukong @Forge the Sky @SJF @can’t remember who else was on the podcast:

This is why I keep stressing not to give away too many personal details if you keep the podcast up:

http://ashevilleblog.com/waking-life-espresso-is-under-fire/

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50547.html

And holy shit look at this one:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50547-post-1117195.html#pid1117195

No one needs to see your faces, no one needs to know what city you’re in, no one needs to know what your job is, no one needs to know what venues you hit up, no one needs a deep physical description of yourself or any standout features you have, no one needs to know what industry you’re in, no one needs to know that you were out with a girl last night instead of last week, and ESPECIALLY no one needs to know the names of girls you’re talking about, use nicknames like CoffeeGirl and shit. And if you do other voice/radio stuff that’s trackable to your personal life, don’t go on a podcast where you’re talking about extremely unacceptable shit that’ll get a hate mob after you lol

It’s good to have a little mastermind group, but don’t get sloppy. It’s still socially unacceptable for men to have dicks…until the sexbots take over. lol


Planned Obsolescence

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@Sun Wukong @Forge the Sky @SJF @can’t remember who else was on the podcast:

This is why I keep stressing not to give away too many personal details if you keep the podcast up:

http://ashevilleblog.com/waking-life-espresso-is-under-fire/

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50547.html

And holy shit look at this one:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50547-post-1117195.html#pid1117195

No one needs to see your faces, no one needs to know what city you’re in, no one needs to know what your job is, no one needs to know what venues you hit up, no one needs a deep physical description of yourself or any standout features you have, no one needs to know what industry you’re in, no one needs to know that you were out with a girl last night instead of last week, and ESPECIALLY no one needs to know the names of girls you’re talking about, use nicknames like CoffeeGirl and shit. And if you do other voice/radio stuff that’s trackable to your personal life, don’t go on a podcast where you’re talking about extremely unacceptable shit that’ll get a hate mob after you lol

It’s good to have a little mastermind group, but don’t get sloppy. It’s still socially unacceptable for men to have dicks…until the sexbots take over. lol


Planned Obsolescence

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on September 23rd, 2015 at 8:21 pm
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10 million views in 4 days, 256,000+ Likes:

I just can’t understand why men would check out of society and buy sexbots instead. HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO ALL THEIR RAPING IF THEY DON’T GO RAPE EVERYONE????

lol at using a fat Warcraft nerd as a rapist. We’re coming for you, gamers! That’s what you get for disagreeing with Anita Sarkeesian! Forget the dudebro college guys, we gotta lay low accusing them for a while after those UVA and mattress girl situs blew up in our face…let’s demonize the lonely nerds, and then also demonize them for wanting sexbots. THAT’S not going to produce more mass shootings, I’m sure we can just push and push and push these stupid men as far as we want.

It’ll be funny when the girls who took part in this vid are 10 years older looking to settle down, wondering why guys stay at home with their sexdolls and porn instead of going near them lol “I don’t get it, I just helped promote the image that your entire gender is a bunch of raping monsters because you weren’t getting shit on enough from the day you were born as it is, why don’t you want to date me??”


Planned Obsolescence

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10 million views in 4 days, 256,000+ Likes:

I just can’t understand why men would check out of society and buy sexbots instead. HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO ALL THEIR RAPING IF THEY DON’T GO RAPE EVERYONE????

lol at using a fat Warcraft nerd as a rapist. We’re coming for you, gamers! That’s what you get for disagreeing with Anita Sarkeesian! Forget the dudebro college guys, we gotta lay low accusing them for a while after those UVA and mattress girl situs blew up in our face…let’s demonize the lonely nerds, and then also demonize them for wanting sexbots. THAT’S not going to produce more mass shootings, I’m sure we can just push and push and push these stupid men as far as we want.

It’ll be funny when the girls who took part in this vid are 10 years older looking to settle down, wondering why guys stay at home with their sexdolls and porn instead of going near them lol “I don’t get it, I just helped promote the image that your entire gender is a bunch of raping monsters because you weren’t getting shit on enough from the day you were born as it is, why don’t you want to date me??”


Planned Obsolescence

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on September 24th, 2015 at 11:08 am
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Meanwhile in Japan…

http://www.dailydot.com/lol/japanese-men-wiping-tears-ikemeso/

Women love emotional rollercoasters SO HARD that they’ll pay for them. Why don’t these girls pay these guys to come in and just compliment them? Because women want to feel emotions. Most people do, really, that’s why we pay to see scary movies and shit.

Understanding why a woman would pay money to feel sad then happy is a key to understanding pickup. Japan knows what’s up lol

In “The Great Happiness Space” (watch it if you haven’t), they talk about how women don’t just pay for positive attention, they want the guys to scold them (like fathers/alphas) when they’re being dumb about stuff in their life etc.

Most guys make a girl’s emotions feel like a flatline ——- but what they want is /\/\/\/\/ Take that out into the field this weekend: try saying stuff that’s offensive as an opener, then smooth it over. Try it in a t-shirt. ;) Don’t tank your social circles or shit where you eat though, pick a venue you don’t care about miscalibrating and ending up with drama at.


Planned Obsolescence

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Meanwhile in Japan…

http://www.dailydot.com/lol/japanese-men-wiping-tears-ikemeso/

Women love emotional rollercoasters SO HARD that they’ll pay for them. Why don’t these girls pay these guys to come in and just compliment them? Because women want to feel emotions. Most people do, really, that’s why we pay to see scary movies and shit.

Understanding why a woman would pay money to feel sad then happy is a key to understanding pickup. Japan knows what’s up lol

In “The Great Happiness Space” (watch it if you haven’t), they talk about how women don’t just pay for positive attention, they want the guys to scold them (like fathers/alphas) when they’re being dumb about stuff in their life etc.

Most guys make a girl’s emotions feel like a flatline ——- but what they want is /\/\/\/\/ Take that out into the field this weekend: try saying stuff that’s offensive as an opener, then smooth it over. Try it in a t-shirt. πŸ˜‰ Don’t tank your social circles or shit where you eat though, pick a venue you don’t care about miscalibrating and ending up with drama at.


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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on September 17th, 2015 at 10:34 am
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@Vitriol
“However, the biggest secret they all want to hide is that using money, whether doing something like you described or paying for pussy outright, is the most efficient way to get laid. If your main goal is to get laid as much as possible, does it matter whether you followed some arbitrary rules that some guy posted on the internet along the way? ”

lol brb taking a helicopter to the top of Mount Everest because it’s more efficient than those dumbasses who actually CLIMB it. It DOES matter to men who’s goal isn’t “to get laid as much as possible” but is “to get laid by girls who are legitimately into me, as much as possible”. To each their own.

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2541-Thrill-of-the-Hunt-men-vs-Pleasure-of-Sex-men

@Rollo
“A man in an expensive well tailored suit has a similar effect on women that a hot woman in lingerie has on men.”

I of course have to drop in a rant here because I know the Manosphere and TRP are all about the externals, so no disrespect or anything it’s just that the other side of this argument has to be made because no one ever makes it because lots of guys don’t go out much and experiment with it, and it’s a REALLY ENTICING idea for new guys reading that all they have to do is get a fitted suit and women will want them the way we want women in sexy lingerie, like holy shit the magic pill finally!! It’s not that you or this conference dude (no hate for him, I’ve never heard of him before now and I get that fashion/style is his “thing”, I’ve rolled with guys who dress like him a bunch lol) are promoting it AS a magic pill, but newbies are in a mindset where learning game is hard and scary and they’re constantly looking for anything they can interpret AS a magic pill and “just take some of that money you have because you don’t have a girlfriend, and buy a suit and you’ll have girls approaching you!” is WAY easier than “go out rain or shine for years pushing yourself out of your comfort zone getting rejected over and over until you slowly figure out how to calibrate and tighten up your game into a consistent structure and solidify your internals and increase your consistency over the course of 3-10 years”. That’s why there’s all these jacked dudes on the MISC in the Forever Alone club, they look better than probably any of us ever will and get the little head-turns and shit but don’t have game and can’t get laid.

It’s cool if you handle your fashion while learning game, but it comes with draw-backs that I’ll explain below, like anchoring your confidence to your fashion which will ultimately limit you.

So here we go down the rabbit hole:

I have to disagree. Don Draper wears a nice suit but so does the boring iBanker, or chodey insurance guy, or the really good-looking dude who “there’s just no spark with him I dunno”. A chick looking at photos of a guy might be more into the sut, or even when she first walks into the room and sees a suit, but it’s irrelevant once she starts observing him in action. If he acts chode, all of her initial “ooo!” spark will instantly vanish and he will just be a chode in a nice suit.

I’ve been doing pickup in plain cheap sneakers for years, like $40, dirty and with holes and shit in them at points. I’ve never even owned a watch. I have one pair of jeans I wear everywhere, right now I don’t even OWN nice clothes (workin on dem dere finances lol). Girls don’t care. They’ll SAY they care. You can show them pics of me beside some dude in a fitted suit and they’ll SAY “oh I wanna fuck that suit hottie” just like they will with 6-packs and nice cars and a bunch of other shit, but in-field in the moment all she’s judging the two of us on is our sub-communications and in-field in the moment is all that matters (except in online dating which is inherently externals-based lol).

Girls only look at my shoes if I’m off my game and boring them and they’re looking for reasons to qualify or disqualify me. So what’s going through her head is “I WANT to like this guy because he’s talking to me, but he’s so boring that I have to look for other external aspects of him to justify either liking him or ditching him beacuse he’s just not doing it for me with the game he’s running and I don’t like being wishy-washy about whether I like him ’cause there are a thousand other guys I could be with so I need to either be into him or weed him out ASAP…he’s clearly not a Lover since he can’t get my emotions going, but maybe if he has nice shoes he’d qualify to be a potential Provider I’ll make take me on dates before I put out for, or if he has shitty shoes I can immediately disqualify him and mentally move on”. This all happens in a split second, she’s not consciously thinking this stuff, it’s just her subconscious brain whirring away. The reason she’s doing this is because my game isn’t hitting the right emotional cords with her to disconnect that shit…most of the time it’s because my Attraction game is weak in that moment and I’m stuck trying for Rapport/Comfort too early.

If I’m running PROPER game they’re too caught up in emotions to even tell me what color my shoes are or other details about me. Try this for a few months: Walk into a room (so she hasn’t been observing you for 30 min) and cold approach a chick, spike her buying temperature a few times with some Attract shit (teasing, cold-reads, roleplaying, etc) so she’s super into the moment smiling and giving you doggy dinner bowl eyes shit like you’re the greatest thing she’s ever seen in her life, then cover her eyes and ask her what’s on your shirt or what type of shoes you’re wearing. She’ll usually have no fucking clue, it’s the funniest shit, a couple chicks couldn’t even tell me what COLOR my shirt or hair were. Then you tease them on it “so you don’t even know if I have nice shoes, what if I have ugly-ass shoes, don’t you know you’re supposed to look at a guys’ shoes to make sure he isn’t some scrub??” and when you uncover them you can just keep making fun of her “oh no look at my SHOES!! What’re THOSE! Now what are you going to do, you love me so much but you can’t love me with these ugly shoes.” The part that makes it funny when you know what to look for is that you can watch her hamster trying to rationalize what’s happening because you have her ATTRACTED subconsciously, but consciously she knows she’s not SUPPOSED to be attracted to a guy with shitty old shoes like that, so you get to watch her conscious and subconscious brain wrestle with how to process this new plot-twist and her hamster will spit out stuff like “well, but YOURS are nice” or like “but on YOU it looks good” which is just stupid conscious brain hamster rationalization to justify the conflict between her subconscious and conscious brain. Then just change subjects and move on.

Guys who dress up WILL get some initial head-turns, dance invites, girls opening them, etc. (aka Approach Invites) but those ultimately mean NOTHING:

Let this sink in: Your game that lets you TURN those Approach Invites into LAYS is what’s important…but if you HAVE the game TO turn those Approach Invites into lays, then you don’t NEED those Approach Invites to lay those girls.

I think the best way to describe this is it’s like fighters in a ring. One guy might look tough as balls and have tattoos all over and cauliflower ears and everyone looks at him and is like “holy shit that guy is a beast he’s going to DESTROY this other dude who just looks like some normal guy”. But once that bell rings, none of that shit matters, it’s just irrelevant fluff that people only cared about because the fight wasn’t actually happening they were just watching the weigh-ins and shit…what matters once that bell rings and both guys start taking action is: who’s the better fighter?

And some of those little gimmes WILL pan out as long as nobody interferes, and that’s super if you’re running game in an environment where no one is going to try to fuck with you or take your girls or compete for the same girls and everyone just sits back and lets you fuck that chick (which’ll happen all the time with like, 6s and 7s, but the second you start gunning for the hotter girls, other guys start thinking “well I’m better than HIM and if she likes HIM, she’s gonna love ME!” and getting cocky, esp in an alcohol-fueled mood). But all it takes is some asshole like me dropping one “holy shit look at that dude, who gets that dressed up to come to THIS place lol maybe he came from a wedding or something” to the girl and her friends, or even a complimentary “holy shit man, you’re puttin the rest of us to shame, how are any of us gonna get laid with you dressed that mint??” to the guy in front of some girls and whatever he got all dressed up in is nullified because that’s putting yourself in the position of authority over him and most of the time he’ll qualify himself to you if you keep talking (ask him what the occasion is, ask him how he can wear that stuff in here he must be roasting, throw girls at him telling the girls to look at how handsome he is in his outfit (which makes him think you’re trying to help him out because he doesn’t understand that that’s putting yourself higher value than him in the girls’ subconscious)…expensive suit, military uniform, rocker outfit, doesn’t matter, you’ve sub-communicated that you’re higher value. No they won’t “totally kick your ass, bro!!!” They don’t even understand attraction or how what you’re doing is lowering their value, to them it just looks like you’re trying to help wingman them. These are very subtle little things her brain is picking up on.

Now if the chick has a fetish for that particular look, like she’s there specifically to fuck “military dudes” then ya, she’ll still go for him, but she’s more into the uniform than the guy inside it and would interchange him with any other military suit guy and give no fucks, so like, that’s not really a win in the long-run either lol

Women judge your looks/externals in the absence of you taking action. A chode standing at the bar in a suit or a military outfit will do better than a chode standing at the bar dressed like a computer nerd. But both will be dwarfed by the guy taking action regardless of what that guy is wearing.

(first part of this next video, and it’s in DC btw for all the people who are like “DC bitches are all hostile femicunts wahhh!!!!”, no your game is just shit and you cause them to be femicunts because you don’t know how to get past simple bitch-shields probably because you brushed off Mystery Method as “fuzzy hat nonsense” and bought yourself a more expensive suit…he even gets himself blown out probably the way most of the “DC is all hostile femicunts” guys get blown out in the second example by purposely running shit game):

How a girl’s view of your features/flaws changes based on her attraction level:

Frame control:

Get out of your comfort zone and destroy your crutches:

Spend a year or more sarging high-end venues wearing the bare minimum that gets you past the dress code (and if you get to know the bouncers you can break the dress code a lot of the time which blows your value through the roof). If you’re out at a normal bar in a t-shirt jeans and sneakers and see a dressed up group, go approach them and try to get the girls. No one gives a shit unless you do, keep doing it until you no longer give a shit and they won’t either.

And if anyone’s like “what is THIS guy wearing?” like some snooty 80s movie villain which never ACTUALLY happens, just run standard agree & amplify on that shit like “I know, you girls are making me feel underdressed here. This is just like Aladdin, I’m the street rat talking to the princesses lol” while you laser and grin. Bonus points if you can work “I’m gonna to show you the world” into your dirty talk later lol

My main issue with promoting the “get a fitted suit with a pocket square” is:

1) that’s expensive, and not even appropriate for a lot of environments, a lot of age ranges etc.

2) it encourages guys to focus more on looking good than learning game

3) it creates crutches that the guy has to rely on where he’s in a supermarket in scrubby clothes buying some eggs and sees a hottie beside him and thinks “oh man, if only I was dressed good today, I would totally say hi to her, but I can’t get her looking like THIS oh well” which is as retarded as the guys who feel too insecure to approach because they have 16% bodyfat instead of their usual 14% bodyfat, or who can’t approach until they have X number of beers in them because they anchored all these retarded crutches

and 4) it encourages guys to be more passive in-field beacuse they go out in their expensive fitted suit with matching pocket square and $1000 shoes and think “those guys online said this is like gladiator armor and it’s the same to girls as lingerie is to us so girls will be falling over themselves to approach me!!” And then no girls approach them. And then they approach and get blown out. Then they don’t know wtf to do because the suit was supposed to give them magic powers so they must be SO REPULSIVE AND LAME that not even magical gladiator armor can get girls into them and there’s some asshole in a t-shirt and sneakers talking to the girls and the girls are up on him and this is all stupid and fuck this I give up wahhhhh!!

These guys are INVISIBLE next to someone with game (Naturals or PUAs). Just make sure whatever you’re wearing isn’t fully retarded looking and you’re fine, you can approach the dolled up girls and compete with the suited up guys just fine. I know this because I love dolled up girls so I prefer approaching them over normal-dressed girls, and I make all my FBs doll up around me (whether we go out in public or just so that when I open my door she’s done up and I can mess her up with sex, I have them either show up with sexy lingerie or done up in their fancies…they know I’m not going to put in the same effort for them and don’t care), and I rolled for years with guys with SICK fashion sense that this conference dude would approve of, in high-end venues…I was always the scrub of the group in terms of externals but my buddies became background noise to girls as soon as I started running game because girls live in the moment and run on emotions not logic. A natural in our group was similar to me and the dude used to wear what looked like unfitted jeans from the early 2000s, it was the worst shit but girls loved him, that even blew MY mind at first lol

If you develop a strong enough frame, the girl actually feels bad that she’s too overdressed and is like, apologizing for being so done up and trying to qualify why she is to you, it’s hilarious. You can just be like “You’re very dressed up tonight…” and laser her, not even commenting on whether it’s good or bad, just let the silence hang and she’ll start freaking out and justifying it and hoping you don’t think she’s retarded lol Then you release the tension with “no it’s cool, I like girls who know how to dress.” and she’s happy as a pig in shit.

Women’s subconscious pings off their environment to know how to feel. That’s why shit like preselection and frame control and social proof and leader of men protector of loved ones etc (all of Mystery’s 7 triggers or whatever) work. They show the value that her subconscious is pinging off the environment to find. “I don’t wear this because it’s cool, it’s cool because I wear it.” You don’t need a suit lol

I get the impression that most guys (no one in particular, just the general vibe and field rapport snippets and complaints guys in the Manosphere have) don’t even know how to spike a girl’s emotions when they need to…they just go up and make small talk trying for Comfort right off the bat, letting the girl get bored instead of keeping her on her heels on the emotional defensive through Attraction to the point where she no longer gives a shit how you’re dressed because she’s too attracted. Mystery laid all this shit out years ago…the reason we do Attraction first is because she doesn’t WANT Rapport/Comfort until she’s attracted, and when she’s attracted she won’t care what you’re wearing or look like she’ll want Rapport/Comfort with you and will rationalize why. Attraction isn’t just spin-hugging and high-fives, it’s about saying and doing specific things that elicit emotional spikes in her which can be as low-key as simply making a controversial cold-read of her or a clever simple verbal tease or comeback, it doesn’t have to be some dancing monkey entertain-her-nonstop bullshit like the stereotype. Go experiment with this shit. If you try for Comfort before you have Attraction then ya, she’s gonna look at your clothes and shit, because you’re running BAD GAME and forcing her to make a judgement call on your externals since you’re trying to get Rapport/Comfort before you even have A2 (female to male interest) or qualified her etc.

I wish I could just force everyone to rewatch Mystery Method instead of running whatever this Red Pill “I want to learn game but I don’t wanna learn that PUA shit that’s all tricks and tomfoolery” shit is. I mean, it’s great for me because in-field these guys aren’t equipped to be any real threat, but like, I feel bad for them because they’re focusing on the wrong aspects of this shit and going to waste a lot of time going down dead ends.

The only ones who care how nice your clothes are, are the bouncer if he has to enforce a dress code, and girls you’re not approaching or are running weak game on.

Focus on learning game. Any time you get attached to an external, go out for 6 months to a year without that external. If you need alcohol, go out for 6-12 months sober and approach and run game. If you need a nice outfit, go out dressed like shit for 6-12 months and approach and run game. If you need to be in shape, let yourself get fat for a year and approach and run game. If you need your hair done nice or your face shaved nice or money to throw around or ANYTHING to feel good about yourself, actively go out without it for a period of time. When you take your safety net away you force yourself out of your comfort zone and you force your game (internal and external) to tighten up (after a period of getting slaughtered lol) because you don’t get to rely on that stuff as a cheap validation-high anymore and have to learn to nail that shit internally.

And if you bring that external stuff back out down the road when you no longer need it, just because you LIKE it, that’s cool, but you’ll understand then that you don’t need it and never needed it because now you have the game to not need the little head-turns.


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 17th, 2015 at 10:34 am
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@Vitriol
“However, the biggest secret they all want to hide is that using money, whether doing something like you described or paying for pussy outright, is the most efficient way to get laid. If your main goal is to get laid as much as possible, does it matter whether you followed some arbitrary rules that some guy posted on the internet along the way? ”

lol brb taking a helicopter to the top of Mount Everest because it’s more efficient than those dumbasses who actually CLIMB it. It DOES matter to men who’s goal isn’t “to get laid as much as possible” but is “to get laid by girls who are legitimately into me, as much as possible”. To each their own.

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2541-Thrill-of-the-Hunt-men-vs-Pleasure-of-Sex-men

@Rollo
“A man in an expensive well tailored suit has a similar effect on women that a hot woman in lingerie has on men.”

I of course have to drop in a rant here because I know the Manosphere and TRP are all about the externals, so no disrespect or anything it’s just that the other side of this argument has to be made because no one ever makes it because lots of guys don’t go out much and experiment with it, and it’s a REALLY ENTICING idea for new guys reading that all they have to do is get a fitted suit and women will want them the way we want women in sexy lingerie, like holy shit the magic pill finally!! It’s not that you or this conference dude (no hate for him, I’ve never heard of him before now and I get that fashion/style is his “thing”, I’ve rolled with guys who dress like him a bunch lol) are promoting it AS a magic pill, but newbies are in a mindset where learning game is hard and scary and they’re constantly looking for anything they can interpret AS a magic pill and “just take some of that money you have because you don’t have a girlfriend, and buy a suit and you’ll have girls approaching you!” is WAY easier than “go out rain or shine for years pushing yourself out of your comfort zone getting rejected over and over until you slowly figure out how to calibrate and tighten up your game into a consistent structure and solidify your internals and increase your consistency over the course of 3-10 years”. That’s why there’s all these jacked dudes on the MISC in the Forever Alone club, they look better than probably any of us ever will and get the little head-turns and shit but don’t have game and can’t get laid.

It’s cool if you handle your fashion while learning game, but it comes with draw-backs that I’ll explain below, like anchoring your confidence to your fashion which will ultimately limit you.

So here we go down the rabbit hole:

I have to disagree. Don Draper wears a nice suit but so does the boring iBanker, or chodey insurance guy, or the really good-looking dude who “there’s just no spark with him I dunno”. A chick looking at photos of a guy might be more into the sut, or even when she first walks into the room and sees a suit, but it’s irrelevant once she starts observing him in action. If he acts chode, all of her initial “ooo!” spark will instantly vanish and he will just be a chode in a nice suit.

I’ve been doing pickup in plain cheap sneakers for years, like $40, dirty and with holes and shit in them at points. I’ve never even owned a watch. I have one pair of jeans I wear everywhere, right now I don’t even OWN nice clothes (workin on dem dere finances lol). Girls don’t care. They’ll SAY they care. You can show them pics of me beside some dude in a fitted suit and they’ll SAY “oh I wanna fuck that suit hottie” just like they will with 6-packs and nice cars and a bunch of other shit, but in-field in the moment all she’s judging the two of us on is our sub-communications and in-field in the moment is all that matters (except in online dating which is inherently externals-based lol).

Girls only look at my shoes if I’m off my game and boring them and they’re looking for reasons to qualify or disqualify me. So what’s going through her head is “I WANT to like this guy because he’s talking to me, but he’s so boring that I have to look for other external aspects of him to justify either liking him or ditching him beacuse he’s just not doing it for me with the game he’s running and I don’t like being wishy-washy about whether I like him ’cause there are a thousand other guys I could be with so I need to either be into him or weed him out ASAP…he’s clearly not a Lover since he can’t get my emotions going, but maybe if he has nice shoes he’d qualify to be a potential Provider I’ll make take me on dates before I put out for, or if he has shitty shoes I can immediately disqualify him and mentally move on”. This all happens in a split second, she’s not consciously thinking this stuff, it’s just her subconscious brain whirring away. The reason she’s doing this is because my game isn’t hitting the right emotional cords with her to disconnect that shit…most of the time it’s because my Attraction game is weak in that moment and I’m stuck trying for Rapport/Comfort too early.

If I’m running PROPER game they’re too caught up in emotions to even tell me what color my shoes are or other details about me. Try this for a few months: Walk into a room (so she hasn’t been observing you for 30 min) and cold approach a chick, spike her buying temperature a few times with some Attract shit (teasing, cold-reads, roleplaying, etc) so she’s super into the moment smiling and giving you doggy dinner bowl eyes shit like you’re the greatest thing she’s ever seen in her life, then cover her eyes and ask her what’s on your shirt or what type of shoes you’re wearing. She’ll usually have no fucking clue, it’s the funniest shit, a couple chicks couldn’t even tell me what COLOR my shirt or hair were. Then you tease them on it “so you don’t even know if I have nice shoes, what if I have ugly-ass shoes, don’t you know you’re supposed to look at a guys’ shoes to make sure he isn’t some scrub??” and when you uncover them you can just keep making fun of her “oh no look at my SHOES!! What’re THOSE! Now what are you going to do, you love me so much but you can’t love me with these ugly shoes.” The part that makes it funny when you know what to look for is that you can watch her hamster trying to rationalize what’s happening because you have her ATTRACTED subconsciously, but consciously she knows she’s not SUPPOSED to be attracted to a guy with shitty old shoes like that, so you get to watch her conscious and subconscious brain wrestle with how to process this new plot-twist and her hamster will spit out stuff like “well, but YOURS are nice” or like “but on YOU it looks good” which is just stupid conscious brain hamster rationalization to justify the conflict between her subconscious and conscious brain. Then just change subjects and move on.

Guys who dress up WILL get some initial head-turns, dance invites, girls opening them, etc. (aka Approach Invites) but those ultimately mean NOTHING:

Let this sink in: Your game that lets you TURN those Approach Invites into LAYS is what’s important…but if you HAVE the game TO turn those Approach Invites into lays, then you don’t NEED those Approach Invites to lay those girls.

I think the best way to describe this is it’s like fighters in a ring. One guy might look tough as balls and have tattoos all over and cauliflower ears and everyone looks at him and is like “holy shit that guy is a beast he’s going to DESTROY this other dude who just looks like some normal guy”. But once that bell rings, none of that shit matters, it’s just irrelevant fluff that people only cared about because the fight wasn’t actually happening they were just watching the weigh-ins and shit…what matters once that bell rings and both guys start taking action is: who’s the better fighter?

And some of those little gimmes WILL pan out as long as nobody interferes, and that’s super if you’re running game in an environment where no one is going to try to fuck with you or take your girls or compete for the same girls and everyone just sits back and lets you fuck that chick (which’ll happen all the time with like, 6s and 7s, but the second you start gunning for the hotter girls, other guys start thinking “well I’m better than HIM and if she likes HIM, she’s gonna love ME!” and getting cocky, esp in an alcohol-fueled mood). But all it takes is some asshole like me dropping one “holy shit look at that dude, who gets that dressed up to come to THIS place lol maybe he came from a wedding or something” to the girl and her friends, or even a complimentary “holy shit man, you’re puttin the rest of us to shame, how are any of us gonna get laid with you dressed that mint??” to the guy in front of some girls and whatever he got all dressed up in is nullified because that’s putting yourself in the position of authority over him and most of the time he’ll qualify himself to you if you keep talking (ask him what the occasion is, ask him how he can wear that stuff in here he must be roasting, throw girls at him telling the girls to look at how handsome he is in his outfit (which makes him think you’re trying to help him out because he doesn’t understand that that’s putting yourself higher value than him in the girls’ subconscious)…expensive suit, military uniform, rocker outfit, doesn’t matter, you’ve sub-communicated that you’re higher value. No they won’t “totally kick your ass, bro!!!” They don’t even understand attraction or how what you’re doing is lowering their value, to them it just looks like you’re trying to help wingman them. These are very subtle little things her brain is picking up on.

Now if the chick has a fetish for that particular look, like she’s there specifically to fuck “military dudes” then ya, she’ll still go for him, but she’s more into the uniform than the guy inside it and would interchange him with any other military suit guy and give no fucks, so like, that’s not really a win in the long-run either lol

Women judge your looks/externals in the absence of you taking action. A chode standing at the bar in a suit or a military outfit will do better than a chode standing at the bar dressed like a computer nerd. But both will be dwarfed by the guy taking action regardless of what that guy is wearing.

(first part of this next video, and it’s in DC btw for all the people who are like “DC bitches are all hostile femicunts wahhh!!!!”, no your game is just shit and you cause them to be femicunts because you don’t know how to get past simple bitch-shields probably because you brushed off Mystery Method as “fuzzy hat nonsense” and bought yourself a more expensive suit…he even gets himself blown out probably the way most of the “DC is all hostile femicunts” guys get blown out in the second example by purposely running shit game):

How a girl’s view of your features/flaws changes based on her attraction level:

Frame control:

Get out of your comfort zone and destroy your crutches:

Spend a year or more sarging high-end venues wearing the bare minimum that gets you past the dress code (and if you get to know the bouncers you can break the dress code a lot of the time which blows your value through the roof). If you’re out at a normal bar in a t-shirt jeans and sneakers and see a dressed up group, go approach them and try to get the girls. No one gives a shit unless you do, keep doing it until you no longer give a shit and they won’t either.

And if anyone’s like “what is THIS guy wearing?” like some snooty 80s movie villain which never ACTUALLY happens, just run standard agree & amplify on that shit like “I know, you girls are making me feel underdressed here. This is just like Aladdin, I’m the street rat talking to the princesses lol” while you laser and grin. Bonus points if you can work “I’m gonna to show you the world” into your dirty talk later lol

My main issue with promoting the “get a fitted suit with a pocket square” is:

1) that’s expensive, and not even appropriate for a lot of environments, a lot of age ranges etc.

2) it encourages guys to focus more on looking good than learning game

3) it creates crutches that the guy has to rely on where he’s in a supermarket in scrubby clothes buying some eggs and sees a hottie beside him and thinks “oh man, if only I was dressed good today, I would totally say hi to her, but I can’t get her looking like THIS oh well” which is as retarded as the guys who feel too insecure to approach because they have 16% bodyfat instead of their usual 14% bodyfat, or who can’t approach until they have X number of beers in them because they anchored all these retarded crutches

and 4) it encourages guys to be more passive in-field beacuse they go out in their expensive fitted suit with matching pocket square and $1000 shoes and think “those guys online said this is like gladiator armor and it’s the same to girls as lingerie is to us so girls will be falling over themselves to approach me!!” And then no girls approach them. And then they approach and get blown out. Then they don’t know wtf to do because the suit was supposed to give them magic powers so they must be SO REPULSIVE AND LAME that not even magical gladiator armor can get girls into them and there’s some asshole in a t-shirt and sneakers talking to the girls and the girls are up on him and this is all stupid and fuck this I give up wahhhhh!!

These guys are INVISIBLE next to someone with game (Naturals or PUAs). Just make sure whatever you’re wearing isn’t fully retarded looking and you’re fine, you can approach the dolled up girls and compete with the suited up guys just fine. I know this because I love dolled up girls so I prefer approaching them over normal-dressed girls, and I make all my FBs doll up around me (whether we go out in public or just so that when I open my door she’s done up and I can mess her up with sex, I have them either show up with sexy lingerie or done up in their fancies…they know I’m not going to put in the same effort for them and don’t care), and I rolled for years with guys with SICK fashion sense that this conference dude would approve of, in high-end venues…I was always the scrub of the group in terms of externals but my buddies became background noise to girls as soon as I started running game because girls live in the moment and run on emotions not logic. A natural in our group was similar to me and the dude used to wear what looked like unfitted jeans from the early 2000s, it was the worst shit but girls loved him, that even blew MY mind at first lol

If you develop a strong enough frame, the girl actually feels bad that she’s too overdressed and is like, apologizing for being so done up and trying to qualify why she is to you, it’s hilarious. You can just be like “You’re very dressed up tonight…” and laser her, not even commenting on whether it’s good or bad, just let the silence hang and she’ll start freaking out and justifying it and hoping you don’t think she’s retarded lol Then you release the tension with “no it’s cool, I like girls who know how to dress.” and she’s happy as a pig in shit.

Women’s subconscious pings off their environment to know how to feel. That’s why shit like preselection and frame control and social proof and leader of men protector of loved ones etc (all of Mystery’s 7 triggers or whatever) work. They show the value that her subconscious is pinging off the environment to find. “I don’t wear this because it’s cool, it’s cool because I wear it.” You don’t need a suit lol

I get the impression that most guys (no one in particular, just the general vibe and field rapport snippets and complaints guys in the Manosphere have) don’t even know how to spike a girl’s emotions when they need to…they just go up and make small talk trying for Comfort right off the bat, letting the girl get bored instead of keeping her on her heels on the emotional defensive through Attraction to the point where she no longer gives a shit how you’re dressed because she’s too attracted. Mystery laid all this shit out years ago…the reason we do Attraction first is because she doesn’t WANT Rapport/Comfort until she’s attracted, and when she’s attracted she won’t care what you’re wearing or look like she’ll want Rapport/Comfort with you and will rationalize why. Attraction isn’t just spin-hugging and high-fives, it’s about saying and doing specific things that elicit emotional spikes in her which can be as low-key as simply making a controversial cold-read of her or a clever simple verbal tease or comeback, it doesn’t have to be some dancing monkey entertain-her-nonstop bullshit like the stereotype. Go experiment with this shit. If you try for Comfort before you have Attraction then ya, she’s gonna look at your clothes and shit, because you’re running BAD GAME and forcing her to make a judgement call on your externals since you’re trying to get Rapport/Comfort before you even have A2 (female to male interest) or qualified her etc.

I wish I could just force everyone to rewatch Mystery Method instead of running whatever this Red Pill “I want to learn game but I don’t wanna learn that PUA shit that’s all tricks and tomfoolery” shit is. I mean, it’s great for me because in-field these guys aren’t equipped to be any real threat, but like, I feel bad for them because they’re focusing on the wrong aspects of this shit and going to waste a lot of time going down dead ends.

The only ones who care how nice your clothes are, are the bouncer if he has to enforce a dress code, and girls you’re not approaching or are running weak game on.

Focus on learning game. Any time you get attached to an external, go out for 6 months to a year without that external. If you need alcohol, go out for 6-12 months sober and approach and run game. If you need a nice outfit, go out dressed like shit for 6-12 months and approach and run game. If you need to be in shape, let yourself get fat for a year and approach and run game. If you need your hair done nice or your face shaved nice or money to throw around or ANYTHING to feel good about yourself, actively go out without it for a period of time. When you take your safety net away you force yourself out of your comfort zone and you force your game (internal and external) to tighten up (after a period of getting slaughtered lol) because you don’t get to rely on that stuff as a cheap validation-high anymore and have to learn to nail that shit internally.

And if you bring that external stuff back out down the road when you no longer need it, just because you LIKE it, that’s cool, but you’ll understand then that you don’t need it and never needed it because now you have the game to not need the little head-turns.


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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@scribblerg
“Perhaps this isn’t clear to some here the way it is to me. You will get Oneitis if you are not spinning plates. @Softie – you listening? You will not avoid Oneitis if you carry on with one woman. Period. Dot. End of sentence.”

Yup. The ONLY way you can avoid oneitis when you only have one girl is to have ridiculous self-control that allows you to ignore half her texts and dodge meeting up with her (aka turning down free convenient sex) more than once every like, MONTH.

If you want to fuck her more than once a month and not catch oneitis, get another couple girls.

My buddies and I find 3 girls to be the minimum optimal number. 1 girl you get oneitis. 2 girls feels kind of like a hassle, you have to balance them competing against eachother if they know eachother exist like it becomes “he’s seeing this one other girl I have to ruin” instead of “he sees a lot of girls, I’m just one of many” and even if they don’t know eachother you end up in a situ where if one is acting out then you’re forced into a very oneitis-risky situ having to hang with the other one all the time till the first cools off.

3 is like, 2 of them can go at it or cause drama or take you for granted and need the gift of missing you etc, while you still bang the 3rd one in there…so you can keep having regular sex but be able to juggle enough to still not see any of them more than once a week and delay them falling for you etc.

Ideally you have more than that (like some casual FBs that you see randomly here and there, or girls you ONS etc), but like, shoot for 3 girls on the go to avoid oneitis.


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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@scribblerg
“Perhaps this isn’t clear to some here the way it is to me. You will get Oneitis if you are not spinning plates. @Softie – you listening? You will not avoid Oneitis if you carry on with one woman. Period. Dot. End of sentence.”

Yup. The ONLY way you can avoid oneitis when you only have one girl is to have ridiculous self-control that allows you to ignore half her texts and dodge meeting up with her (aka turning down free convenient sex) more than once every like, MONTH.

If you want to fuck her more than once a month and not catch oneitis, get another couple girls.

My buddies and I find 3 girls to be the minimum optimal number. 1 girl you get oneitis. 2 girls feels kind of like a hassle, you have to balance them competing against eachother if they know eachother exist like it becomes “he’s seeing this one other girl I have to ruin” instead of “he sees a lot of girls, I’m just one of many” and even if they don’t know eachother you end up in a situ where if one is acting out then you’re forced into a very oneitis-risky situ having to hang with the other one all the time till the first cools off.

3 is like, 2 of them can go at it or cause drama or take you for granted and need the gift of missing you etc, while you still bang the 3rd one in there…so you can keep having regular sex but be able to juggle enough to still not see any of them more than once a week and delay them falling for you etc.

Ideally you have more than that (like some casual FBs that you see randomly here and there, or girls you ONS etc), but like, shoot for 3 girls on the go to avoid oneitis.


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@Jeremy
“They shouldn’t be thinking that.”

No, they shouldn’t. And the guys who are promoting that view aren’t purposely trying to make them THINK that…BUT that’s how newbies interpret it and that’s what the guys lurking and reading will run off and do. The examples of this are EVERYWHERE, the MISC Forever Aloners are just the most blatant example. They’re guys who’ve been fed the idea that “hey man, looks matter, always have, always will, a 6-pack and being jacked is a sign that you’re a high-value alpha male, so you should try to have that” and they interpret that as, because they don’t have enough field experience to understand how irrelevant it is, “if I get a 6-pack that’ll be the magic formula so I won’t have to go put my ego on the line and do the scary things YaReally is talking about”.

“But they do judge you on whether or not those articles of clothing fit you and the circumstances. They do.”

But it’s IRRELEVANT, is my point. It’s just nonsense fluff. The second guys take action, clothes become irrelevant unless the guy lets them be relevant.

“No one is saying you should get a fitted suit and wear it everywhere you go. If they are, they shouldn’t be.”

They’re not, but if you’re a newbie and you hear “wearing a suit is just like women wearing lingerie”, you go get your suit and you wear it every time you go out cause some guy made a really convincing speech about it and it fits into what they want to believe (since they’ve been socially conditioned since pretty much birth to believe that looks matter), and you have a few successes here and there, same shit as anyone else, now congratulations, you’ve linked your “success” with “wearing a suit”. This is basically situational confidence, and it holds guys back. It SHOULDN’T. And they SHOULDN’T do that. But people are stupid and superstituous and they do shit like not shave their beards during a sports season or wear their “lucky shirt” or they convince themselves that the exact % of body fat they had last week was the perfect amount. This is basic human brain shit.

Then what happens when the guy doesn’t have the suit? And all his reference experiences of him being successful with women are when he’s wearing that suit? Well now his brain has no reason to expect him to deserve the girl, especially a done-up girl, because he’s not wearing that suit. This isn’t these guys’ INTENTIONS, but this is what they CREATE with promoting this silly blanket notion that ignores a TON of grey-area variables that as experienced guys they SHOULD be addressing because newbies don’t have the experience to understand them.

For example: is it still high-value to wear a suit when everyone else is wearing a suit? Is it still high-value to wear a suit to a casual environment? Why are some guys viewed as “try-hard” in a suit while others look “attractive”? If the suit is just magic then all guys in suits should be viewed as “attractive”, but we know that’s not the case, and if that’s not a consistent principle then you have to drill deeper into it to determine why some guys are attractive in suits and others aren’t, and why the SAME GUY can be attractive in his suit one night and not another night. And why that guy can get blown out by a guy in a t-shirt. That shouldn’t be possible, in the newbie’s mind, because all he has to go on is what these guys are telling him and they lay down blanket statements about how you should get a tailored suit and the newbie turns that into “that’s the magic pill” and they fuck their progression up because they spend years building an identity and reference experiences around wearing that suit the same way a guy who uses alcohol as a crutch has his outgoing expressive identity wrapped around needing to be drunk etc. It’s the EXACT same shit.

“I’m guessing your single pair of jeans fits you quite well, and the sneakers you wear do not look out of place in the places you’re going to talk to girls.”

The bottoms are too long (I’m too cheap/lazy to get them tailored) and are full of dirt and ragged from walking around all the time and I was wearing sneakers to venues where everyone else was dolled up in fancy shit. I had a giant hole in the crotch of my jeans for a while, I just kept wearing them because it was funny to me but I finally bought a new pair lol I have shitty $40 black sneaker-dress-shoes for venues that require black shoes but they’re always scuffed up or half worn through. The other guys in the venues wear suits and expensive shoes like GQ looking shit and my buddies I was rolling with at the time were dressed like the guy in this video and that Gosling looking pic etc. Major city high-end venue stuff.

As long as you can get INTO the venue, you’re fine, and getting into the venue is just the bouncer’s hangup, not the girls’ hangup. If you can’t get into the venue, hit on the girls as they’re walking to the venue or in the lineup, they don’t care as long as you’re running solid game. Even if a minute ago they were looking at you thinking “ugh look at THIS guy”, the second you flip their switches they forget about it and hamster rationalize your clothes away. There’s a reason we say attraction is not a choice…when you hit those subconscious switches in her brain, she ends up attracted. She may even HATE that she’s attracted to you, because of those clothes, but she can’t help it.

@scribblerg
“There are many places where you walking in with holed sneakers and a tee shirt is a deficit, like many of the bars and restaurants I spent my evenings in when I was more of a baller in NYC.”

It’s only a problem to the bouncers who may not let you in in the really high-end places, or to girls you’re not gaming. It’s not a problem to the girl you’re running game on.

The problem is most guys won’t go out of their comfort zone. They’ll never even TRY to game those venues regularly dressed down to try to shatter their limiting beliefs. They’ll maybe try it a couple times, feel super uncomfortable because they’re letting the environment hypnotize them into feeling “out of place”, not do well because the girls are picking up that they feel uncomfortable which tells the girl that there’s a reason he should feel uncomfortable since she pings off him for how to feel, and he’ll say “fuck this, I KNEW you need to be dressed up!!” and go back to his comfort zone instead of sticking that out for months or years till he’s fully detached himself from that crutch and is getting the same results dressed like shit as he was when he was caught up in the environment.

Like everyone goes “oh YaReally, I get what you’re saying but trust me man, this type of clothing is a deficit”. Okay, so follow me through a thought experiment:

You’re in your baller NYC venue and a AAA celeb walks in, say Brad Pitt. He’s wearing a t-shirt and sneakers.

Is he in a deficit, yes or no? Even if he sits beside some baller dude in a suit, are girls going to see Brad Pitt and go “holy shit that’s Brad Pitt”, and see he’s wearing a t-shirt and sneakers, and be turned off and go “ugh, he’s wearing a t-shirt and sneakers, so he’s low value”?

No, of course not. I’m sure anyone sane would agree with that. WHY not? Because the girls know that Brad Pitt has high value.

So then logically it’s not the t-shirt and sneakers that determine his value or their reaction to him. His value, that he’s demonstrated in movies and their celebrity magazines and shit, trumps his clothes.

So then you have to accept that value trumps clothing. Brad Pitt could walk in wearing a garbage bag and girls will still be attracted to him because they know he’s high-value. So value trumps clothing.

From that, we can logically say “ok, if value trumps clothing, and my clothing sucks dick, how do I demonstrate high value?” hmmm…if only there was a set of techniques broken down step by step that showed men how to Demonstrate Higher Value, let’s call it DHV for short. Hey wait-a-minute, that “DHV” thing looks familiar…

Get what I’m saying? If you can DHV, your clothing is irrelevant. Pickup teaches you how to DHV. Clothing is a fun little cherry on top to throw on there, but it’s not a consistently attractive thing. Brad Pitt getting attraction in ragged clothes disproves that notion. What’s attractive to women is shit that hits their subconscious, like demonstrating that you’re a leader of men, or preselected or social proofed, etc etc and those things can be demonstrated through game instead, without wrapping your confidence around an external article of clothing.

It’s not that you CAN’T wear a suit, but wearing a suit can create a lot of problems for newbies and intermediate guys who link their confidence to that (listen to Julien talking about how he had to iron his shirts perfectly and get his hair perfect before the bar etc because he was building up those reference experiences in that comfort zone, I did the same shit, most people DO there’s an entire consumer industry based on convincing people to attach their self-worth to external objects and then making them feel like those external objects no longer have value ’cause they’re “out of season” or there’s a “newer, BETTER” version they have to have to feel confident again) and a suit is irrelevant next to a guy who’s DHV’ing to a girl properly (aka running proper game).

“Early this year, one of my plates saw me for the first time in a suit after 6 months of jeans and cargo short, and got positively juicy and quite sexed up about it.”

So you were banging this girl for 6 months in shitty clothes.

“It confirmed my high status for her.”

So she already viewed you as high-status. That shouldn’t be possible if you’re wearing shitty clothes, ’cause according to the guy in the vid “look, people JUDGE YOU. They just DO.”

“but it’s fizzled now as all my youngsters eventually do. Sigh…”

So the massive value of this suit didn’t keep her around. But according to that guy with his vid, she should be seeing you as high-value because you have a suit.

See what I’m saying? The suit is just some silly cherry on top bonus for a laugh, it’s not relevant. If you wore a fitted suit around that girl every time you saw her, that would become normalized and lose it’s exciting appeal that it had when you sprung it out of the blue, and she wouldn’t be as turned on by it anymore. But by the logic of “a man in a suit is like a woman in lingerie” and “people judge you based on your looks, they just DO” she should still be turned on by it.

It’s not consistent and it doesn’t hold up under pressure-testing in a variety of situations and there are WAY too many counter-examples to promote a rule like that that will just misguide newbies and build bad habits in them.

“But if you have no game and no value to women, it doesn’t matter what you wear. If you can’t activate their fantasy hamster, you are doomed.”

This is basically my point. Focus on learning to activate their fantasy hamster, not putting makeup on a pig. Newbies take the message of “women are attracted to men in suits” and try to skip learning to activate the fantasy hamster because they have the magic pill. I want to fuck the shit out of a girl in lingerie, so logically if I wear a suit these girls will want to fuck the shit out of me, that’s what I read online! Then they go stand around by themselves for 3 hours at the club getting drunk and sad and wondering why they aren’t getting laid…a girl in lingerie doesn’t need GAME to get me, I just want to fuck her! And I read that they’re equivalent, so they’re supposed to feel that way about me but none of them seem to, what’s going on? I guess I’m just a piece of shit. :(

“I’m tempted to text too much, be too responsive, to “try to hard” – which is what I call pussy-drying.”

Yup. There are a lot of factors involved in exactly WHY it happens, but it’s pretty consistent. You need an abundance mindset to avoid oneitis and it’s very difficult to foster one when you’re living in scarcity.

“Sure the “1 for 2” rule is a great starting point, but then I realized I could actually break that rule if I was tantalizing them and exciting their curiosity and fantasy hamster.”

Ya fuck that rule. That rule is for the old days when texting was a new thing and people were figuring shit out and girls didn’t have 200 fucking Facebook Instagram Tinder text etc popups flying at them 24/7. If you haven’t fucked her yet and you manage to get her attention, POUND THAT SHIT INTO THE GROUND. Keep that text convo going all DAY if you have to. Make an impact, and push for a Day2 ASAP, because the second she stops texting you she’s gonna answer the other 20 dudes who are texting her.

“Text is actually an amazing gaming tool – but you can’t be thirsty. Consider that it is an always on connection to your plates which you can use to dominate and create high value. Absence is not the only way to do that. But this does seem like an advanced gambit to me and I’m experimenting. Will report on how it develops.”

Check my archives for text game stuff, I’m sure I’ve written some shit on it. I did a TON of text gaming for a while because I was trying to push online sarging to meetups as fast as possible (from initial message to her coming over to bang with no dates or anything in as few messages as possible lol) and was running a lot of flash game getting fast number closes (like 30 seconds to 5 minutes) that were obviously flakey as fuck so I would have to do all the Comfort/Rapport stuff via text to get them to meet up to fuck since all I #-closed with was Attraction. My buddy hates text game, and it can be time-intensive and difficult if you have a career where you have to focus on your work all day, but personally I love it.

@Forge the Sky
“For a relative novice at game like myself, the IOI’s and warm opens I get when dressed well are a big help.”

It’s one of those things where gaming off AIs and warm opens are great in the short-term but can hinder you in the long-term. Like drinking can be great for loosening up and getting more social…but there will be times where there’s no alochol around. Or to go back to clothing, there will be times where the girls around you happen to not be impressed by what you’re wearing or you get so used to it that it no longer makes you feel amazing to be wearing it, and all your reference experiences are tied into opening off AI’s and warm approaches and your brain will go “uhhhhh!!! We can’t do this!! We don’t really have experience opening like this!!”

Not that you can’t or shouldn’t wear that stuff, like wearing it for reasons like “work dress code” or “that’s how I grew up” or “I wear it for myself” are GREAT. Just like working out in the gym for your own health is GREAT, I’m not saying don’t work out. What I’m against is promoting the idea that “women are attracted to men who wear suits” because that convinces guys to wear a suit FOR GIRLS, just like saying “girls want men who are jacked” convinces guys they have to get jacked TO GET GIRLS instead of for themselves.

I mean, the statement doesn’t even hold up in the most basic sense, does everyone REALLY think girls will choose a guy in a suit over a guy in like, a scrubby fireman outfit, or rapper gear or cowboy gear or motorcycle gear?? NO girl is turned off by suits and guys dressing like the dude in that video? NO GIRL is like “ehh ya, that’s not really my type?” If you accept that ok a lot of girls AREN’T into the suit look and prefer other looks then that blanket rule no longer applies unless you’re also like “wearing motorcycle gear is to women like lingerie is to men” which we know if we throw motorcycle gear on some weiner chode computer nerd guy he’s not going to suddenly make every girl’s panties drop.

It’s surreal to me that guys have such a huge blind spot with this and will rationalize away how basic logic pokes holes in it. But we spend so much of our lives invested in this idea and all Hollywood throws at us is that Don Draper is sexy, to the point where it’s hard to toss aside easily…that’s why guys need mass field experience with it where they see it first-hand. But no one wants to do the legwork because ultimately they’ll get laid enough in their comfort zone, they don’t NEED to really experience how this shit works unless they’re addicted to having an extremely deep understanding of these dynamics like some of us are where we purposely experiment with this shit for fun.

“I got just as much success with women (no skill with game/escalation meant no lays, but in retrospect it would have been easy) when I worked in the dirt all day and wore work boots, old jeans, and a dirt-smeared shirt. That was congruent with my reality then.”

Nah man, you couldn’t have, because a suit is like lingerie on women. Work boots, old jeans and a dirt-smeared shirt? THAT’S not like lingerie, man.

Like, your statement is common sense and is proving what I’m saying, like we understand this when we experience it: what’s important is CONGRUENCY (aka DHV’ing because congrunecy is a DHV), not the article of clothing itself. A suit is not like lingerie to women…DHV’ing is like lingerie to women.

Guys go up in a t-shirt and don’t immediately get the same warm reaction they got when they wore their suit and they go “well I’m out, she’s not into me, oh well! :( I should’ve worn my suit!” and walk away with their tail tucked between their legs. They don’t bother learning to push through that initial resistance and pass the shit-tests and build a stronger frame that steamroll’s the girls frame and they don’t want to go spend months practicing running game just like they did before till they get comfortable with it and no longer feel self-conscious not dressed up and actually start to EXPECT girls to like them despite their clothing, until they become congruent and are able to DHV while wearing that shitty outfit, because that’s all just pain bodies and bad feels and we want immediate results, fuck exercise and being healthy just gimme the liposuction doc because skinny = I’m a healthy person!

“And if I talk about them to girls I get the same positive reaction as if I’m talking about tractors, or fashion, or psychology, or whatever the hell.”

Saying “suits are attractive to women, and are like lingerie on women” is the exact same mindset as “you shouldn’t talk about this tractors to women because talking about tractors is unattractive to women, you should talk about fashion”. It’s not the subject matter itself that makes it attractive or not and promoting the idea that guys should lock themselves into not talking about tractors is limiting.

@Rollo
Dude doesn’t really address anything I’m saying lol I’m not saying you aren’t a “real man” or that you’re gay and effeminate if you care about your clothes. I’m saying it’s not relevant to the girl in terms of getting laid. I’ve worn shit like he wears, and plenty of guys wear monk robes out to bars and shit, they’re called frat guys having a laugh on toga night, and those guys get laid even in front of suit guys, not because a robe is high-value but because their subcomms are high value, they’re DHV’ing and that value is trumping their clothes.

Everything he’s talking about with “we use it to signal our status, to distinguish our bla bla to signal to bla bla” it’s all just passive shit. It’s the same as the tattoo guy outside the ring before a fight. He’s signalling all sorts of badass shit, and that’s great, but none of that will knock his opponent out. Once the bell dings, all that shit is out the window. It’s just passive fluff.

He says “our minds make shortcuts and that’s how we assess people and stereotypes exists because of that bla bla” and that is absolutely true. But what GIRLS are assessing and making shortcuts based on is your subcommunications. Otherwise every jacked dude in a suit would be banging 10s left and right and no short guy or Brad Pitt in a t-shirt would get laid. It’s not a stance that holds up when pressure-tested even if this guy is speaking with a real authoritative frame in his video that will convince newbies they need to dress up. Has no one ever seen the row of suited up and/or jacked/good-looking chodes going home alone at the end of the night?? Has no one seen a guy dressed like shit, or a guy who doesn’t fit into society’s definition of attractive, pull a hot girl??

When he says “By saying it matters, but it’s not the ultimate thing that matters” I agree with that, and I don’t think he and I would disagree a lot, but what I disagree with is a blanket statement like “A man in an expensive well tailored suit has a similar effect on women that a hot woman in lingerie has on men.” It’s simply not accurate. There are very specific situations where that applies, but it’s nowhere near any kind of consistent principle that should be promoted to guys who don’t have the in-field experience to understand the difference between wearing a suit for fun or for yourself and wearing it “because it has a similar effect on women that a hot woman in lingerie has on men.” That’s my main issue.

@Forge the Sky
“Most text game advice kinda assumes you’re shitty with words, innuendo, and intuition about these sorts of things cause most guys are. But if you’re good at these things you can use it as a great way to interact with chicks in a novel medium. ”

Ya my buddy hates it because he’s not great with a lot of that stuff. He’s awesome in-person, but over text his shit falls flat and it’s frustrating to him. Meanwhile I grew up as a hermit computer nerd so I was chatting online 24/7 lol so communicating via text is just the same thing as that to me…whereas my buddy isn’t a tech guy at all.

“I’m sure you could do some fun things even when the relationship is more solidly sexual as well.”

I like to send them sexy stories in the middle of their work day (I do a lot of sexual comfort so I find out what kind of things turn them on and customize the story to include their fantasies) and get them to go take pics playing with themselves in the bathroom at work etc lol usually I’ll do that on days we’re going to meet up at night, tell them they’re not allowed to touch themselves till I see them and build the anticipation all day etc. But like, I have a lot of free time to do that shit lol and I’m just doing it for fun. If I have actual work to do then they get ignored.

I find if you do that shit tho and HAVEN’T fucked her before, if you don’t tone it down and go back into asexual territory from about the point where setting an actual meetup is confirmed, their ASD kicks in and they flake or want to change the meetup to something public and more date-like instead of just coming over to fuck you. So there’s a calibration/balance to the timing of it.


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@Jeremy
“They shouldn’t be thinking that.”

No, they shouldn’t. And the guys who are promoting that view aren’t purposely trying to make them THINK that…BUT that’s how newbies interpret it and that’s what the guys lurking and reading will run off and do. The examples of this are EVERYWHERE, the MISC Forever Aloners are just the most blatant example. They’re guys who’ve been fed the idea that “hey man, looks matter, always have, always will, a 6-pack and being jacked is a sign that you’re a high-value alpha male, so you should try to have that” and they interpret that as, because they don’t have enough field experience to understand how irrelevant it is, “if I get a 6-pack that’ll be the magic formula so I won’t have to go put my ego on the line and do the scary things YaReally is talking about”.

“But they do judge you on whether or not those articles of clothing fit you and the circumstances. They do.”

But it’s IRRELEVANT, is my point. It’s just nonsense fluff. The second guys take action, clothes become irrelevant unless the guy lets them be relevant.

“No one is saying you should get a fitted suit and wear it everywhere you go. If they are, they shouldn’t be.”

They’re not, but if you’re a newbie and you hear “wearing a suit is just like women wearing lingerie”, you go get your suit and you wear it every time you go out cause some guy made a really convincing speech about it and it fits into what they want to believe (since they’ve been socially conditioned since pretty much birth to believe that looks matter), and you have a few successes here and there, same shit as anyone else, now congratulations, you’ve linked your “success” with “wearing a suit”. This is basically situational confidence, and it holds guys back. It SHOULDN’T. And they SHOULDN’T do that. But people are stupid and superstituous and they do shit like not shave their beards during a sports season or wear their “lucky shirt” or they convince themselves that the exact % of body fat they had last week was the perfect amount. This is basic human brain shit.

Then what happens when the guy doesn’t have the suit? And all his reference experiences of him being successful with women are when he’s wearing that suit? Well now his brain has no reason to expect him to deserve the girl, especially a done-up girl, because he’s not wearing that suit. This isn’t these guys’ INTENTIONS, but this is what they CREATE with promoting this silly blanket notion that ignores a TON of grey-area variables that as experienced guys they SHOULD be addressing because newbies don’t have the experience to understand them.

For example: is it still high-value to wear a suit when everyone else is wearing a suit? Is it still high-value to wear a suit to a casual environment? Why are some guys viewed as “try-hard” in a suit while others look “attractive”? If the suit is just magic then all guys in suits should be viewed as “attractive”, but we know that’s not the case, and if that’s not a consistent principle then you have to drill deeper into it to determine why some guys are attractive in suits and others aren’t, and why the SAME GUY can be attractive in his suit one night and not another night. And why that guy can get blown out by a guy in a t-shirt. That shouldn’t be possible, in the newbie’s mind, because all he has to go on is what these guys are telling him and they lay down blanket statements about how you should get a tailored suit and the newbie turns that into “that’s the magic pill” and they fuck their progression up because they spend years building an identity and reference experiences around wearing that suit the same way a guy who uses alcohol as a crutch has his outgoing expressive identity wrapped around needing to be drunk etc. It’s the EXACT same shit.

“I’m guessing your single pair of jeans fits you quite well, and the sneakers you wear do not look out of place in the places you’re going to talk to girls.”

The bottoms are too long (I’m too cheap/lazy to get them tailored) and are full of dirt and ragged from walking around all the time and I was wearing sneakers to venues where everyone else was dolled up in fancy shit. I had a giant hole in the crotch of my jeans for a while, I just kept wearing them because it was funny to me but I finally bought a new pair lol I have shitty $40 black sneaker-dress-shoes for venues that require black shoes but they’re always scuffed up or half worn through. The other guys in the venues wear suits and expensive shoes like GQ looking shit and my buddies I was rolling with at the time were dressed like the guy in this video and that Gosling looking pic etc. Major city high-end venue stuff.

As long as you can get INTO the venue, you’re fine, and getting into the venue is just the bouncer’s hangup, not the girls’ hangup. If you can’t get into the venue, hit on the girls as they’re walking to the venue or in the lineup, they don’t care as long as you’re running solid game. Even if a minute ago they were looking at you thinking “ugh look at THIS guy”, the second you flip their switches they forget about it and hamster rationalize your clothes away. There’s a reason we say attraction is not a choice…when you hit those subconscious switches in her brain, she ends up attracted. She may even HATE that she’s attracted to you, because of those clothes, but she can’t help it.

@scribblerg
“There are many places where you walking in with holed sneakers and a tee shirt is a deficit, like many of the bars and restaurants I spent my evenings in when I was more of a baller in NYC.”

It’s only a problem to the bouncers who may not let you in in the really high-end places, or to girls you’re not gaming. It’s not a problem to the girl you’re running game on.

The problem is most guys won’t go out of their comfort zone. They’ll never even TRY to game those venues regularly dressed down to try to shatter their limiting beliefs. They’ll maybe try it a couple times, feel super uncomfortable because they’re letting the environment hypnotize them into feeling “out of place”, not do well because the girls are picking up that they feel uncomfortable which tells the girl that there’s a reason he should feel uncomfortable since she pings off him for how to feel, and he’ll say “fuck this, I KNEW you need to be dressed up!!” and go back to his comfort zone instead of sticking that out for months or years till he’s fully detached himself from that crutch and is getting the same results dressed like shit as he was when he was caught up in the environment.

Like everyone goes “oh YaReally, I get what you’re saying but trust me man, this type of clothing is a deficit”. Okay, so follow me through a thought experiment:

You’re in your baller NYC venue and a AAA celeb walks in, say Brad Pitt. He’s wearing a t-shirt and sneakers.

Is he in a deficit, yes or no? Even if he sits beside some baller dude in a suit, are girls going to see Brad Pitt and go “holy shit that’s Brad Pitt”, and see he’s wearing a t-shirt and sneakers, and be turned off and go “ugh, he’s wearing a t-shirt and sneakers, so he’s low value”?

No, of course not. I’m sure anyone sane would agree with that. WHY not? Because the girls know that Brad Pitt has high value.

So then logically it’s not the t-shirt and sneakers that determine his value or their reaction to him. His value, that he’s demonstrated in movies and their celebrity magazines and shit, trumps his clothes.

So then you have to accept that value trumps clothing. Brad Pitt could walk in wearing a garbage bag and girls will still be attracted to him because they know he’s high-value. So value trumps clothing.

From that, we can logically say “ok, if value trumps clothing, and my clothing sucks dick, how do I demonstrate high value?” hmmm…if only there was a set of techniques broken down step by step that showed men how to Demonstrate Higher Value, let’s call it DHV for short. Hey wait-a-minute, that “DHV” thing looks familiar…

Get what I’m saying? If you can DHV, your clothing is irrelevant. Pickup teaches you how to DHV. Clothing is a fun little cherry on top to throw on there, but it’s not a consistently attractive thing. Brad Pitt getting attraction in ragged clothes disproves that notion. What’s attractive to women is shit that hits their subconscious, like demonstrating that you’re a leader of men, or preselected or social proofed, etc etc and those things can be demonstrated through game instead, without wrapping your confidence around an external article of clothing.

It’s not that you CAN’T wear a suit, but wearing a suit can create a lot of problems for newbies and intermediate guys who link their confidence to that (listen to Julien talking about how he had to iron his shirts perfectly and get his hair perfect before the bar etc because he was building up those reference experiences in that comfort zone, I did the same shit, most people DO there’s an entire consumer industry based on convincing people to attach their self-worth to external objects and then making them feel like those external objects no longer have value ’cause they’re “out of season” or there’s a “newer, BETTER” version they have to have to feel confident again) and a suit is irrelevant next to a guy who’s DHV’ing to a girl properly (aka running proper game).

“Early this year, one of my plates saw me for the first time in a suit after 6 months of jeans and cargo short, and got positively juicy and quite sexed up about it.”

So you were banging this girl for 6 months in shitty clothes.

“It confirmed my high status for her.”

So she already viewed you as high-status. That shouldn’t be possible if you’re wearing shitty clothes, ’cause according to the guy in the vid “look, people JUDGE YOU. They just DO.”

“but it’s fizzled now as all my youngsters eventually do. Sigh…”

So the massive value of this suit didn’t keep her around. But according to that guy with his vid, she should be seeing you as high-value because you have a suit.

See what I’m saying? The suit is just some silly cherry on top bonus for a laugh, it’s not relevant. If you wore a fitted suit around that girl every time you saw her, that would become normalized and lose it’s exciting appeal that it had when you sprung it out of the blue, and she wouldn’t be as turned on by it anymore. But by the logic of “a man in a suit is like a woman in lingerie” and “people judge you based on your looks, they just DO” she should still be turned on by it.

It’s not consistent and it doesn’t hold up under pressure-testing in a variety of situations and there are WAY too many counter-examples to promote a rule like that that will just misguide newbies and build bad habits in them.

“But if you have no game and no value to women, it doesn’t matter what you wear. If you can’t activate their fantasy hamster, you are doomed.”

This is basically my point. Focus on learning to activate their fantasy hamster, not putting makeup on a pig. Newbies take the message of “women are attracted to men in suits” and try to skip learning to activate the fantasy hamster because they have the magic pill. I want to fuck the shit out of a girl in lingerie, so logically if I wear a suit these girls will want to fuck the shit out of me, that’s what I read online! Then they go stand around by themselves for 3 hours at the club getting drunk and sad and wondering why they aren’t getting laid…a girl in lingerie doesn’t need GAME to get me, I just want to fuck her! And I read that they’re equivalent, so they’re supposed to feel that way about me but none of them seem to, what’s going on? I guess I’m just a piece of shit. 😦

“I’m tempted to text too much, be too responsive, to “try to hard” – which is what I call pussy-drying.”

Yup. There are a lot of factors involved in exactly WHY it happens, but it’s pretty consistent. You need an abundance mindset to avoid oneitis and it’s very difficult to foster one when you’re living in scarcity.

“Sure the “1 for 2” rule is a great starting point, but then I realized I could actually break that rule if I was tantalizing them and exciting their curiosity and fantasy hamster.”

Ya fuck that rule. That rule is for the old days when texting was a new thing and people were figuring shit out and girls didn’t have 200 fucking Facebook Instagram Tinder text etc popups flying at them 24/7. If you haven’t fucked her yet and you manage to get her attention, POUND THAT SHIT INTO THE GROUND. Keep that text convo going all DAY if you have to. Make an impact, and push for a Day2 ASAP, because the second she stops texting you she’s gonna answer the other 20 dudes who are texting her.

“Text is actually an amazing gaming tool – but you can’t be thirsty. Consider that it is an always on connection to your plates which you can use to dominate and create high value. Absence is not the only way to do that. But this does seem like an advanced gambit to me and I’m experimenting. Will report on how it develops.”

Check my archives for text game stuff, I’m sure I’ve written some shit on it. I did a TON of text gaming for a while because I was trying to push online sarging to meetups as fast as possible (from initial message to her coming over to bang with no dates or anything in as few messages as possible lol) and was running a lot of flash game getting fast number closes (like 30 seconds to 5 minutes) that were obviously flakey as fuck so I would have to do all the Comfort/Rapport stuff via text to get them to meet up to fuck since all I #-closed with was Attraction. My buddy hates text game, and it can be time-intensive and difficult if you have a career where you have to focus on your work all day, but personally I love it.

@Forge the Sky
“For a relative novice at game like myself, the IOI’s and warm opens I get when dressed well are a big help.”

It’s one of those things where gaming off AIs and warm opens are great in the short-term but can hinder you in the long-term. Like drinking can be great for loosening up and getting more social…but there will be times where there’s no alochol around. Or to go back to clothing, there will be times where the girls around you happen to not be impressed by what you’re wearing or you get so used to it that it no longer makes you feel amazing to be wearing it, and all your reference experiences are tied into opening off AI’s and warm approaches and your brain will go “uhhhhh!!! We can’t do this!! We don’t really have experience opening like this!!”

Not that you can’t or shouldn’t wear that stuff, like wearing it for reasons like “work dress code” or “that’s how I grew up” or “I wear it for myself” are GREAT. Just like working out in the gym for your own health is GREAT, I’m not saying don’t work out. What I’m against is promoting the idea that “women are attracted to men who wear suits” because that convinces guys to wear a suit FOR GIRLS, just like saying “girls want men who are jacked” convinces guys they have to get jacked TO GET GIRLS instead of for themselves.

I mean, the statement doesn’t even hold up in the most basic sense, does everyone REALLY think girls will choose a guy in a suit over a guy in like, a scrubby fireman outfit, or rapper gear or cowboy gear or motorcycle gear?? NO girl is turned off by suits and guys dressing like the dude in that video? NO GIRL is like “ehh ya, that’s not really my type?” If you accept that ok a lot of girls AREN’T into the suit look and prefer other looks then that blanket rule no longer applies unless you’re also like “wearing motorcycle gear is to women like lingerie is to men” which we know if we throw motorcycle gear on some weiner chode computer nerd guy he’s not going to suddenly make every girl’s panties drop.

It’s surreal to me that guys have such a huge blind spot with this and will rationalize away how basic logic pokes holes in it. But we spend so much of our lives invested in this idea and all Hollywood throws at us is that Don Draper is sexy, to the point where it’s hard to toss aside easily…that’s why guys need mass field experience with it where they see it first-hand. But no one wants to do the legwork because ultimately they’ll get laid enough in their comfort zone, they don’t NEED to really experience how this shit works unless they’re addicted to having an extremely deep understanding of these dynamics like some of us are where we purposely experiment with this shit for fun.

“I got just as much success with women (no skill with game/escalation meant no lays, but in retrospect it would have been easy) when I worked in the dirt all day and wore work boots, old jeans, and a dirt-smeared shirt. That was congruent with my reality then.”

Nah man, you couldn’t have, because a suit is like lingerie on women. Work boots, old jeans and a dirt-smeared shirt? THAT’S not like lingerie, man.

Like, your statement is common sense and is proving what I’m saying, like we understand this when we experience it: what’s important is CONGRUENCY (aka DHV’ing because congrunecy is a DHV), not the article of clothing itself. A suit is not like lingerie to women…DHV’ing is like lingerie to women.

Guys go up in a t-shirt and don’t immediately get the same warm reaction they got when they wore their suit and they go “well I’m out, she’s not into me, oh well!😦 I should’ve worn my suit!” and walk away with their tail tucked between their legs. They don’t bother learning to push through that initial resistance and pass the shit-tests and build a stronger frame that steamroll’s the girls frame and they don’t want to go spend months practicing running game just like they did before till they get comfortable with it and no longer feel self-conscious not dressed up and actually start to EXPECT girls to like them despite their clothing, until they become congruent and are able to DHV while wearing that shitty outfit, because that’s all just pain bodies and bad feels and we want immediate results, fuck exercise and being healthy just gimme the liposuction doc because skinny = I’m a healthy person!

“And if I talk about them to girls I get the same positive reaction as if I’m talking about tractors, or fashion, or psychology, or whatever the hell.”

Saying “suits are attractive to women, and are like lingerie on women” is the exact same mindset as “you shouldn’t talk about this tractors to women because talking about tractors is unattractive to women, you should talk about fashion”. It’s not the subject matter itself that makes it attractive or not and promoting the idea that guys should lock themselves into not talking about tractors is limiting.

@Rollo
Dude doesn’t really address anything I’m saying lol I’m not saying you aren’t a “real man” or that you’re gay and effeminate if you care about your clothes. I’m saying it’s not relevant to the girl in terms of getting laid. I’ve worn shit like he wears, and plenty of guys wear monk robes out to bars and shit, they’re called frat guys having a laugh on toga night, and those guys get laid even in front of suit guys, not because a robe is high-value but because their subcomms are high value, they’re DHV’ing and that value is trumping their clothes.

Everything he’s talking about with “we use it to signal our status, to distinguish our bla bla to signal to bla bla” it’s all just passive shit. It’s the same as the tattoo guy outside the ring before a fight. He’s signalling all sorts of badass shit, and that’s great, but none of that will knock his opponent out. Once the bell dings, all that shit is out the window. It’s just passive fluff.

He says “our minds make shortcuts and that’s how we assess people and stereotypes exists because of that bla bla” and that is absolutely true. But what GIRLS are assessing and making shortcuts based on is your subcommunications. Otherwise every jacked dude in a suit would be banging 10s left and right and no short guy or Brad Pitt in a t-shirt would get laid. It’s not a stance that holds up when pressure-tested even if this guy is speaking with a real authoritative frame in his video that will convince newbies they need to dress up. Has no one ever seen the row of suited up and/or jacked/good-looking chodes going home alone at the end of the night?? Has no one seen a guy dressed like shit, or a guy who doesn’t fit into society’s definition of attractive, pull a hot girl??

When he says “By saying it matters, but it’s not the ultimate thing that matters” I agree with that, and I don’t think he and I would disagree a lot, but what I disagree with is a blanket statement like “A man in an expensive well tailored suit has a similar effect on women that a hot woman in lingerie has on men.” It’s simply not accurate. There are very specific situations where that applies, but it’s nowhere near any kind of consistent principle that should be promoted to guys who don’t have the in-field experience to understand the difference between wearing a suit for fun or for yourself and wearing it “because it has a similar effect on women that a hot woman in lingerie has on men.” That’s my main issue.

@Forge the Sky
“Most text game advice kinda assumes you’re shitty with words, innuendo, and intuition about these sorts of things cause most guys are. But if you’re good at these things you can use it as a great way to interact with chicks in a novel medium. ”

Ya my buddy hates it because he’s not great with a lot of that stuff. He’s awesome in-person, but over text his shit falls flat and it’s frustrating to him. Meanwhile I grew up as a hermit computer nerd so I was chatting online 24/7 lol so communicating via text is just the same thing as that to me…whereas my buddy isn’t a tech guy at all.

“I’m sure you could do some fun things even when the relationship is more solidly sexual as well.”

I like to send them sexy stories in the middle of their work day (I do a lot of sexual comfort so I find out what kind of things turn them on and customize the story to include their fantasies) and get them to go take pics playing with themselves in the bathroom at work etc lol usually I’ll do that on days we’re going to meet up at night, tell them they’re not allowed to touch themselves till I see them and build the anticipation all day etc. But like, I have a lot of free time to do that shit lol and I’m just doing it for fun. If I have actual work to do then they get ignored.

I find if you do that shit tho and HAVEN’T fucked her before, if you don’t tone it down and go back into asexual territory from about the point where setting an actual meetup is confirmed, their ASD kicks in and they flake or want to change the meetup to something public and more date-like instead of just coming over to fuck you. So there’s a calibration/balance to the timing of it.


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How about just a flat-out homeless looking asian bum:

How else can we DHV? How about singing? But, dressed like a homeless person? Like I say, value trumps clothes:

That last guy was pretty studly in the face tho…how about a full out nerd?:

But those guys were all pretty tall, so it’s obviously height that matters. ’cause trust me, people judge you on your appearance, and height signifies attractiveness. So here’s some short guys…a BROWN guy and an ASIAN guy too, omg, no suits AND non-white? How could they even have a CHANCE:

If you pay attention for the game in these vids you’ll hear all of these guys do stuff like teasing, qualifying, roleplaying, cold-reading, DHV’ing, leading the interaction forward, push/pull, assuming attraction, etc. They’re running Attraction game and they get attraction despite their retarded clothes because attraction is not a choice. Their conscious brain KNOWS “he’s homeless, I probably shouldn’t be into him” but their subconscious brain gives no fucks because it’s being triggered by all the game tech they’re spitting.

Once you start taking action and running proper Attraction game, your looks become irrelevant. And the less you rely on stuff like your looks/clothes/money/6-pack/etc the more you’re forced to rely on your brain and your internal confidence and your GAME. If you’re dressed like shit you’re FORCED to tighten your game up and bring SOLID-ass DHV’ing to the table because you don’t get to rely on Approach Invites or warm approaches or good first impressions.

And if you go out enough you’ll SEE homeless dudes macking girls, and guys dressed like shit macking girls. Like, this shouldn’t be a shocking revelation to guys who are going out a lot.

My point isn’t that you shouldn’t wear a suit or that fashion stuff is gay. It’s that it’s not relevant…when you properly flip their attraction switches, and don’t care about your clothes, they rationalize all your flaws away and give no fucks. This doesn’t mean bouncers will all love you, this doesn’t mean going into a job interview dressed like shit is a good idea, it just means that when it comes to picking up girls and sticking your penis inside their vaginas, girls don’t give a shit about your clothes and newbies/intermediates shouldn’t be led to believe that they do because it can fuck them up.

(but we all know all those women in all those videos are paid actresses, OBVIOUSLY, nobody can duplicate this in real life it’s impossible even tho the guys who say that will never actually try it for a few months just to see how not a big deal this shit is lol hell most guys are too scared to even tell girls they work as garbage men or work at taco bell and and play World of Warcraft purposely TRY to make themselves sound as repulsive as possible because just ATTEMPTING that shit would be too scary for their ego that built itself up around trying to conform to the warped value system that’s been socially conditioned into them)


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How about just a flat-out homeless looking asian bum:

How else can we DHV? How about singing? But, dressed like a homeless person? Like I say, value trumps clothes:

That last guy was pretty studly in the face tho…how about a full out nerd?:

But those guys were all pretty tall, so it’s obviously height that matters. ’cause trust me, people judge you on your appearance, and height signifies attractiveness. So here’s some short guys…a BROWN guy and an ASIAN guy too, omg, no suits AND non-white? How could they even have a CHANCE:

If you pay attention for the game in these vids you’ll hear all of these guys do stuff like teasing, qualifying, roleplaying, cold-reading, DHV’ing, leading the interaction forward, push/pull, assuming attraction, etc. They’re running Attraction game and they get attraction despite their retarded clothes because attraction is not a choice. Their conscious brain KNOWS “he’s homeless, I probably shouldn’t be into him” but their subconscious brain gives no fucks because it’s being triggered by all the game tech they’re spitting.

Once you start taking action and running proper Attraction game, your looks become irrelevant. And the less you rely on stuff like your looks/clothes/money/6-pack/etc the more you’re forced to rely on your brain and your internal confidence and your GAME. If you’re dressed like shit you’re FORCED to tighten your game up and bring SOLID-ass DHV’ing to the table because you don’t get to rely on Approach Invites or warm approaches or good first impressions.

And if you go out enough you’ll SEE homeless dudes macking girls, and guys dressed like shit macking girls. Like, this shouldn’t be a shocking revelation to guys who are going out a lot.

My point isn’t that you shouldn’t wear a suit or that fashion stuff is gay. It’s that it’s not relevant…when you properly flip their attraction switches, and don’t care about your clothes, they rationalize all your flaws away and give no fucks. This doesn’t mean bouncers will all love you, this doesn’t mean going into a job interview dressed like shit is a good idea, it just means that when it comes to picking up girls and sticking your penis inside their vaginas, girls don’t give a shit about your clothes and newbies/intermediates shouldn’t be led to believe that they do because it can fuck them up.

(but we all know all those women in all those videos are paid actresses, OBVIOUSLY, nobody can duplicate this in real life it’s impossible even tho the guys who say that will never actually try it for a few months just to see how not a big deal this shit is lol hell most guys are too scared to even tell girls they work as garbage men or work at taco bell and and play World of Warcraft purposely TRY to make themselves sound as repulsive as possible because just ATTEMPTING that shit would be too scary for their ego that built itself up around trying to conform to the warped value system that’s been socially conditioned into them)


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@Rollo
“The problem is with people who can only think in absolutes.”

I agree. You made the absolute that “A man in a well tailored suit has the same effect for women as lingerie (or something similar) has for men.” and there are TONS of examples from the Brad Pitt t-shirt shit to the vids I’m posting that say that’s inaccurate. Therefore you just can’t make that kind of absolute statement.

“However if that woman wearing the thong is a landwhale, a tattooed blue haired feminist or an emaciated pale wallflower it serves the opposite purpose. The same is true for men and the suit.”

So basically “Suits on an attractive guy are attractive. Suits on an unattractive guy are not.” That really only benefits the already attractive guy, which I doubt is that dude’s target audience, and overall this addendum just confirms what I’m saying: focus on game, not wearing a suit. So I assume we don’t disagree.

Your original statement and this guy’s vid are the parts I’m ranting against is all, because half the reason I can AMOG suit guys at the bar is that most of them don’t have internal value under their suit and it oozes out of every pore the second you put any kind of pressure on them…which is fine for the average guy who doesn’t give a shit about game, but I don’t want guys learning game to turn out as paper-tiger weak as those guys. They should come out BETTER than them with stronger internal confidence than those guys have, and the way to do that is to focus on game and not go out thinking their suit is going to make a girl want to fuck them the way lingerie makes them want to fuck her.


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@Rollo
“The problem is with people who can only think in absolutes.”

I agree. You made the absolute that “A man in a well tailored suit has the same effect for women as lingerie (or something similar) has for men.” and there are TONS of examples from the Brad Pitt t-shirt shit to the vids I’m posting that say that’s inaccurate. Therefore you just can’t make that kind of absolute statement.

“However if that woman wearing the thong is a landwhale, a tattooed blue haired feminist or an emaciated pale wallflower it serves the opposite purpose. The same is true for men and the suit.”

So basically “Suits on an attractive guy are attractive. Suits on an unattractive guy are not.” That really only benefits the already attractive guy, which I doubt is that dude’s target audience, and overall this addendum just confirms what I’m saying: focus on game, not wearing a suit. So I assume we don’t disagree.

Your original statement and this guy’s vid are the parts I’m ranting against is all, because half the reason I can AMOG suit guys at the bar is that most of them don’t have internal value under their suit and it oozes out of every pore the second you put any kind of pressure on them…which is fine for the average guy who doesn’t give a shit about game, but I don’t want guys learning game to turn out as paper-tiger weak as those guys. They should come out BETTER than them with stronger internal confidence than those guys have, and the way to do that is to focus on game and not go out thinking their suit is going to make a girl want to fuck them the way lingerie makes them want to fuck her.


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@Rollo
“Have two. Three is best, but if you only have one, Game is the most essential.”

Also this I agree with. But when you tell a newbie this, their instinct is “well I have money because I don’t go out and I have a job, and I can hit the gym and just buy a tailored suit so I can get looks, and that game shit is full of a bunch of very scary embarrassing social pressure situations, so I’ll just focus on looks and money because I only need two out of these three!”

Then they end up standing at the bar on death row and I shake my head because they should have been taught that game is mandatory, not an option, to get the goal they want (women fucking them for them). People go with the options that are the easiest and least time-consuming and game is the most difficult and time-consuming option of those 3.

I’m viewing this from the perspective of teaching guys who are learning game and not like, breaking down how a celebrity would be attractive (having looks and assets but not necessarily having game). Like from a purely “explaining how society works” perspective ya I agree with what I quoted here, but from a “teaching guys game” perspective a better recipe is having them focus on game and having them game outside of their comfort zone and not building situational confidence based around anchored crutches.


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@Rollo
“Have two. Three is best, but if you only have one, Game is the most essential.”

Also this I agree with. But when you tell a newbie this, their instinct is “well I have money because I don’t go out and I have a job, and I can hit the gym and just buy a tailored suit so I can get looks, and that game shit is full of a bunch of very scary embarrassing social pressure situations, so I’ll just focus on looks and money because I only need two out of these three!”

Then they end up standing at the bar on death row and I shake my head because they should have been taught that game is mandatory, not an option, to get the goal they want (women fucking them for them). People go with the options that are the easiest and least time-consuming and game is the most difficult and time-consuming option of those 3.

I’m viewing this from the perspective of teaching guys who are learning game and not like, breaking down how a celebrity would be attractive (having looks and assets but not necessarily having game). Like from a purely “explaining how society works” perspective ya I agree with what I quoted here, but from a “teaching guys game” perspective a better recipe is having them focus on game and having them game outside of their comfort zone and not building situational confidence based around anchored crutches.


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Is there anything “lower value” in terms of externals than a guy who’s stuck in a wheelchair? I mean, he’s crippled, he’s theoretically the worst possible option for genetic bla bla But they know how to get Attraction and the girls hamster rationalize that it’s fine.

Or a fat dude who clearly isn’t wearing a suit and doesn’t have assets.

Or a guy who’s 5 feet tall. He can’t do much about his looks, so he should be wearing a suit so he can demonstrate that he hires people to do his manual labor for him bla bla, and yet…?

These guys could be wearing anything and would do better than half the Forever Aloners or guys wearing expensive shoes at the bar. But again they’re using game principles to trigger Attraction.

External assets are SO irrelevant to getting laid that like, the “pick two” thing should go:

Pick two:

Game.
.
.
.
(insert 50 more periods here)
.
.
.
Looks
Assets

The other two are about as important for getting laid as like, wearing a green shirt or having the right color hair. It’s cool if you have them, but just take action and they become irrelevant. If you’re relying on passive game, your game won’t be very tight because you’re not putting yourself in situations that force you to build internal confidence.


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Is there anything “lower value” in terms of externals than a guy who’s stuck in a wheelchair? I mean, he’s crippled, he’s theoretically the worst possible option for genetic bla bla But they know how to get Attraction and the girls hamster rationalize that it’s fine.

Or a fat dude who clearly isn’t wearing a suit and doesn’t have assets.

Or a guy who’s 5 feet tall. He can’t do much about his looks, so he should be wearing a suit so he can demonstrate that he hires people to do his manual labor for him bla bla, and yet…?

These guys could be wearing anything and would do better than half the Forever Aloners or guys wearing expensive shoes at the bar. But again they’re using game principles to trigger Attraction.

External assets are SO irrelevant to getting laid that like, the “pick two” thing should go:

Pick two:

Game.
.
.
.
(insert 50 more periods here)
.
.
.
Looks
Assets

The other two are about as important for getting laid as like, wearing a green shirt or having the right color hair. It’s cool if you have them, but just take action and they become irrelevant. If you’re relying on passive game, your game won’t be very tight because you’re not putting yourself in situations that force you to build internal confidence.


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@keyser
“You have two men, one is dressed like Tanner (with a good game) and the other is wearing a T-shirt (with a good game).

Who do you think a pussy would look at/talk to first ?”

Whoever has the 0.000001% better game in that exact moment. That’s literally all it comes down to. Whichever guy acts first gets a bonus point but if the other guy’s game is tight and he’s just that 0.000001% sharper, he triggers Hypergamy and the girl’s subconscious takes over and rationalizes the rest from there.

Guys hate that it can be boiled down to that fine a point because it means all their hours in the gym or all their hours in the office making money or all the work they put into getting their hair just right doesn’t mean anything and doesn’t earn them brownie points (the same way they hate that all their investment into a relationship doesn’t mean anything when a girl’s Hypergamy kicks in for another dude in an LTR, they think all that investment should earn them brownie points).

It all comes down to who has the better game in that moment, by just a sliver one way or the other. Run a shitload of mixed sets, with alpha guys, ugly goods, good-looking guys, outgoing guys, guys with game, Naturals, shy guys, tall guys, short guys, guys dressed up, guys dressed like shit, jacked guys, skinny little guys, and you’ll see all this shit play out.


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@keyser
“You have two men, one is dressed like Tanner (with a good game) and the other is wearing a T-shirt (with a good game).

Who do you think a pussy would look at/talk to first ?”

Whoever has the 0.000001% better game in that exact moment. That’s literally all it comes down to. Whichever guy acts first gets a bonus point but if the other guy’s game is tight and he’s just that 0.000001% sharper, he triggers Hypergamy and the girl’s subconscious takes over and rationalizes the rest from there.

Guys hate that it can be boiled down to that fine a point because it means all their hours in the gym or all their hours in the office making money or all the work they put into getting their hair just right doesn’t mean anything and doesn’t earn them brownie points (the same way they hate that all their investment into a relationship doesn’t mean anything when a girl’s Hypergamy kicks in for another dude in an LTR, they think all that investment should earn them brownie points).

It all comes down to who has the better game in that moment, by just a sliver one way or the other. Run a shitload of mixed sets, with alpha guys, ugly goods, good-looking guys, outgoing guys, guys with game, Naturals, shy guys, tall guys, short guys, guys dressed up, guys dressed like shit, jacked guys, skinny little guys, and you’ll see all this shit play out.


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@Rollo
“Lemmy or Gene Simmons can rock an Armani equally as well as what they wear on stage because they DHV in context in both situations.”

Exactly my point. Saying the suit is like lingerie implies that not wearing a suit is like a girl NOT wearing lingerie which implies she’s less “attractive”. But that’s not the case. Lemmy and Gene Simmons are attractive regardless of what they wear because they DHV.

Like I say when you have something that gets inconsistent results (some guys in suits are not attractive to women, some are, some guys in t-shirts and dirty work boots are more attractive to women and some arent), you have to drill down further until you get to a consistent principle that’s true like 99% of the time (such as “confidence is attractive” or “preselection is attractive”).

So the ironclad diamond rule from the Lemmy/Gene example is: Value trumps clothes. They can wear a suit or they can wear rocker shit or they can just dress like crap, they DHV their value through all their subcommunications from their frame to their tonality to their dominance to their eye-contact etc etc.

It’s illogical and inconsistent to say “well sure, that works for THEM, but not for Average Joe. For Average Joe a suit is like lingerie”. It can’t work that way, that’s inconsistent logic and there are FAR too many examples to the contrary to even promote that, especially to guys who are learning game and will instinctively take the easy “of these 3 I choose looks and money because I can change those with the least discomfort in the shortest time investment” route and end up with weaker game and weaker frames because of it.

I know that you and Tanner aren’t purposely/maliciously trying to build that, like I GET the points you guys are making, and I agree with a lot of them…but I’ve also watched a LOT of guys (and BEEN one myself) who’ve followed that advice. There’s a reason the reddit TRP guys’ field reports suck ass lol Their game in general is weak because they reject legit PUA principles and are just fishing around in the dark for simpler easier shit like “bro just focus on weights and bank and the bitches’ll bend over for you” and that’ll help like, a Natural get even better, but it’s not going to help newbies much and it often builds a lot of shitty habits and mindsets that are fragile as fuck in-field.

And if a dumbass with a penis like ME can spot that stuff the second I glance at a guy, girls who’ve been learning to spot that shit since before they sprouted tits can spot that stuff even faster.

Then you end up with a guy who’s not getting the results he wants even tho he’s like 5 years into the game, and he finally realizes he has a bunch of shitty wiring built up and his internal frame is jello and he has to go back and actively fight a bunch of wiring he purposely built up with his misguided interpretation of well-meaning but slightly too vague/simplified information and he ends up feeling like he has to start all over again from scratch.

I’m just trying to help guys avoid that ’cause it’s a pretty demoralizing process to go through lol I’m helping a buddy through it now and it’s extra rough because he purposely built those associations. Like I’m having him not even listen to music that pumps him up before the bar, getting him to roll out with me in just his default mood that he’s in day to day, because he was way too attached to needing to state boost himself to approach girls because he spent years doing that and realistically that’s not his default energy level day to day…but all his good reference experiences are tied to that high-energy boosted state so he’s having trouble doing any kind of daygame because he doesn’t have reference experience of being able to pickup as just his default self. And this guy is YEARS into the game but now this shit is holding him back. And I see this a LOT.


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“Lemmy or Gene Simmons can rock an Armani equally as well as what they wear on stage because they DHV in context in both situations.”

Exactly my point. Saying the suit is like lingerie implies that not wearing a suit is like a girl NOT wearing lingerie which implies she’s less “attractive”. But that’s not the case. Lemmy and Gene Simmons are attractive regardless of what they wear because they DHV.

Like I say when you have something that gets inconsistent results (some guys in suits are not attractive to women, some are, some guys in t-shirts and dirty work boots are more attractive to women and some arent), you have to drill down further until you get to a consistent principle that’s true like 99% of the time (such as “confidence is attractive” or “preselection is attractive”).

So the ironclad diamond rule from the Lemmy/Gene example is: Value trumps clothes. They can wear a suit or they can wear rocker shit or they can just dress like crap, they DHV their value through all their subcommunications from their frame to their tonality to their dominance to their eye-contact etc etc.

It’s illogical and inconsistent to say “well sure, that works for THEM, but not for Average Joe. For Average Joe a suit is like lingerie”. It can’t work that way, that’s inconsistent logic and there are FAR too many examples to the contrary to even promote that, especially to guys who are learning game and will instinctively take the easy “of these 3 I choose looks and money because I can change those with the least discomfort in the shortest time investment” route and end up with weaker game and weaker frames because of it.

I know that you and Tanner aren’t purposely/maliciously trying to build that, like I GET the points you guys are making, and I agree with a lot of them…but I’ve also watched a LOT of guys (and BEEN one myself) who’ve followed that advice. There’s a reason the reddit TRP guys’ field reports suck ass lol Their game in general is weak because they reject legit PUA principles and are just fishing around in the dark for simpler easier shit like “bro just focus on weights and bank and the bitches’ll bend over for you” and that’ll help like, a Natural get even better, but it’s not going to help newbies much and it often builds a lot of shitty habits and mindsets that are fragile as fuck in-field.

And if a dumbass with a penis like ME can spot that stuff the second I glance at a guy, girls who’ve been learning to spot that shit since before they sprouted tits can spot that stuff even faster.

Then you end up with a guy who’s not getting the results he wants even tho he’s like 5 years into the game, and he finally realizes he has a bunch of shitty wiring built up and his internal frame is jello and he has to go back and actively fight a bunch of wiring he purposely built up with his misguided interpretation of well-meaning but slightly too vague/simplified information and he ends up feeling like he has to start all over again from scratch.

I’m just trying to help guys avoid that ’cause it’s a pretty demoralizing process to go through lol I’m helping a buddy through it now and it’s extra rough because he purposely built those associations. Like I’m having him not even listen to music that pumps him up before the bar, getting him to roll out with me in just his default mood that he’s in day to day, because he was way too attached to needing to state boost himself to approach girls because he spent years doing that and realistically that’s not his default energy level day to day…but all his good reference experiences are tied to that high-energy boosted state so he’s having trouble doing any kind of daygame because he doesn’t have reference experience of being able to pickup as just his default self. And this guy is YEARS into the game but now this shit is holding him back. And I see this a LOT.


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“You have to men chopping woods, one using 5 pounds axe (with a good game) and the other using 30 pounds axe(with no games).

Who do you think the Gypsy woman would look at first?”

“Two men, one is wearing a T-shirt and a blazer (with zero game), the other is wearing a T-shirt and no blazer (with no game either) .they are both average looking.

Who do you think a pussy would look at first?.”

Same answer as before. Who she looks at is irrelevant. Who she FUCKS is the guy with 0.00001% better game who’s actually interacting with her.

This is approaching game from an entirely passive mindset. “Which guy will passively demonstrate more value so the girl actively chooses him?” That’s a weak mindset to begin with. Guys should be making the moves and leading the interaction and taking action, not sitting back hoping their passive value makes her “look at them first”. That’s just pointless validation fluff.

A girl can give another guy iois, but if that guy doesn’t approach and a guy with game does, she forgets that other guy exists.


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@keyser
“You have to men chopping woods, one using 5 pounds axe (with a good game) and the other using 30 pounds axe(with no games).

Who do you think the Gypsy woman would look at first?”

“Two men, one is wearing a T-shirt and a blazer (with zero game), the other is wearing a T-shirt and no blazer (with no game either) .they are both average looking.

Who do you think a pussy would look at first?.”

Same answer as before. Who she looks at is irrelevant. Who she FUCKS is the guy with 0.00001% better game who’s actually interacting with her.

This is approaching game from an entirely passive mindset. “Which guy will passively demonstrate more value so the girl actively chooses him?” That’s a weak mindset to begin with. Guys should be making the moves and leading the interaction and taking action, not sitting back hoping their passive value makes her “look at them first”. That’s just pointless validation fluff.

A girl can give another guy iois, but if that guy doesn’t approach and a guy with game does, she forgets that other guy exists.


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“However, you get a guy with good Game, looks and dressed well and put him up against a guy who looks like “just a guy” with the same degree of Game and the guy who looks the part edges out that guy.”

This is theoretically how it’s SUPPOSED to work, logically.

But it comes down to that 0.00001% of who’s game is tighter. There’s never two guys with the exact same level of game. In any interaction one person is ALWAYS reacting to the other person, whether it’s 10:90 or 49.9999:50.0001. One person reacting to the other person is what gives that other person that 0.0001% value boost above them. If neither guy is reacting to the other then they’re not in an interaction lol

Julien is objectively better looking than Tyler, but Tyler can take girls off Julien when his game is slightly tighter that night, just like I can take girls off my Natural buddies who objectively have amazing game and some of them have better game than me and look/dress better than me…but if in that interaction on that night, my game is just 0.0001% tighter for whatever reason, the girl is into me instead of them.

“Every guy wants a magic formula to get him laid, and even an over-reliance on scripted PUA material is another form of this just as bodybuilding or style is.”

The difference is that PUA material is active. Bodybuilding and style are passive. Bodybuilding and style get you the girls who pro-actively choose you. PUA allows you to choose the girl and calibrate your way through getting her.

If you offer the newbie the choice of “do you want to have passive value where you can just hit the gym and dress nice and then stand there and do what you’ve been doing your entire life and get laid, or do you want to have to take action and put your ego on the line and risk public humiliation over and over until you slowly tighten your game up?” they will pretty much ALWAYS choose the passive path because it’s easier and self-preservation makes them scared shitless to approach and risk blowing their ego up.

This is important because guys can’t learn game PASSIVELY. Just like they can’t sit here reading this and just know how to do it or adopt the mindsets. They HAVE to pro-actively go out and take action. When they go out thinking their looks will do the work for them, they don’t take action. You can see this ANY night out, rich suit chodes with a drink up at their chest going home with their dick in their hand. Ya the outgoing cool ones get laid, but that’s not the majority of them and that’s not what a newbie/intermediate guy is going to be when he focuses on passive value.

“I’d say the first class in school should be becoming Red Pill aware and then moving into applying it (Game) and then refining it with physique, and style.”

I agree, but why would they bother applying it when they’re under the impression that physique and style will make the girl view them the way they view a girl in lingerie (aka “holy shit I want to fuck this girl”, why would they need game when all the girls around them are (in their mind) thinking “holy shit I want to fuck this guy”?) People only put in as much effort as they think they have to, esp when it requires sacrifice and ego-pain. It stunts their growth to believe these things that there is TONS of evidence don’t actually hold up in-field.


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@Rollo
“However, you get a guy with good Game, looks and dressed well and put him up against a guy who looks like “just a guy” with the same degree of Game and the guy who looks the part edges out that guy.”

This is theoretically how it’s SUPPOSED to work, logically.

But it comes down to that 0.00001% of who’s game is tighter. There’s never two guys with the exact same level of game. In any interaction one person is ALWAYS reacting to the other person, whether it’s 10:90 or 49.9999:50.0001. One person reacting to the other person is what gives that other person that 0.0001% value boost above them. If neither guy is reacting to the other then they’re not in an interaction lol

Julien is objectively better looking than Tyler, but Tyler can take girls off Julien when his game is slightly tighter that night, just like I can take girls off my Natural buddies who objectively have amazing game and some of them have better game than me and look/dress better than me…but if in that interaction on that night, my game is just 0.0001% tighter for whatever reason, the girl is into me instead of them.

“Every guy wants a magic formula to get him laid, and even an over-reliance on scripted PUA material is another form of this just as bodybuilding or style is.”

The difference is that PUA material is active. Bodybuilding and style are passive. Bodybuilding and style get you the girls who pro-actively choose you. PUA allows you to choose the girl and calibrate your way through getting her.

If you offer the newbie the choice of “do you want to have passive value where you can just hit the gym and dress nice and then stand there and do what you’ve been doing your entire life and get laid, or do you want to have to take action and put your ego on the line and risk public humiliation over and over until you slowly tighten your game up?” they will pretty much ALWAYS choose the passive path because it’s easier and self-preservation makes them scared shitless to approach and risk blowing their ego up.

This is important because guys can’t learn game PASSIVELY. Just like they can’t sit here reading this and just know how to do it or adopt the mindsets. They HAVE to pro-actively go out and take action. When they go out thinking their looks will do the work for them, they don’t take action. You can see this ANY night out, rich suit chodes with a drink up at their chest going home with their dick in their hand. Ya the outgoing cool ones get laid, but that’s not the majority of them and that’s not what a newbie/intermediate guy is going to be when he focuses on passive value.

“I’d say the first class in school should be becoming Red Pill aware and then moving into applying it (Game) and then refining it with physique, and style.”

I agree, but why would they bother applying it when they’re under the impression that physique and style will make the girl view them the way they view a girl in lingerie (aka “holy shit I want to fuck this girl”, why would they need game when all the girls around them are (in their mind) thinking “holy shit I want to fuck this guy”?) People only put in as much effort as they think they have to, esp when it requires sacrifice and ego-pain. It stunts their growth to believe these things that there is TONS of evidence don’t actually hold up in-field.


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@Rollo
“Two guys, one takes off his shirt and looks like a pudgy Seth Rogen, but he’s funny with Game. The other is ripped like that guy who just won American Ninja Warrior with slightly less Game.”

As the hairy-backed beer-belly guy who’s gone to pool parties with dudes who are infinitely better looking than him with less game, the pudgy Seth Rogan generally takes it. I have a buddy who’s 5’2″ and a Natural (he did a very social job for a lot of years) and girls don’t even LOOK at me even when I’m trying to talk, once he opens his mouth, because his game is just retardedly tight and every time it happens, instinctively I’m like “wtf!!” but he ends up with hot girls into him and they don’t even know I’m alive because his game is always a little tighter than mine (I’m usually around him in the daytime and I haven’t done daygame in a long time so he’s much looser and unstifled during the day…if I took him to a nightclub I would probably be more comfortable and able to DHV than him and take the attention from him instead).

Has NO ONE been to a party where the coolest guy that the girls all like ISN’T a 6’4″ chisled-jaw doctor with a 6-pack??? Has NO ONE seen a guy like Jack Black dwarf everyone else when he expresses himself?? Has NO ONE gone out with a better looking wingman than them and had girls ignore their wingman for them?? Has NO ONE had uglier guys than them take girls off them?? Does anyone go out and run mixed sets??

“How much do looks compensate for a marginal lack of Game?”

Lots, IF no one at all interferes. If that guy manages to have a clear green light all the way to the bedroom, that guy with looks and no game will do just fine. But that’s not most guys and that’s not most situations. Most situations involve having to deal with some obstacles. Hell, if you’re TOO good looking you have to understand calibrating DOWN so that she doesn’t disqualify HERSELF thinking she doesn’t have a chance. A guy has to understand that shit, that’s GAME.

“I get this all the time BTW.”

I only bring it up because I know nobody else will and this thread will turn into a big circle-jerk of “here’s a good deal on $400 alligator shoes! Make sure you buy neon orange socks to go with them!!” nonsense lol


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@Rollo
“Two guys, one takes off his shirt and looks like a pudgy Seth Rogen, but he’s funny with Game. The other is ripped like that guy who just won American Ninja Warrior with slightly less Game.”

As the hairy-backed beer-belly guy who’s gone to pool parties with dudes who are infinitely better looking than him with less game, the pudgy Seth Rogan generally takes it. I have a buddy who’s 5’2″ and a Natural (he did a very social job for a lot of years) and girls don’t even LOOK at me even when I’m trying to talk, once he opens his mouth, because his game is just retardedly tight and every time it happens, instinctively I’m like “wtf!!” but he ends up with hot girls into him and they don’t even know I’m alive because his game is always a little tighter than mine (I’m usually around him in the daytime and I haven’t done daygame in a long time so he’s much looser and unstifled during the day…if I took him to a nightclub I would probably be more comfortable and able to DHV than him and take the attention from him instead).

Has NO ONE been to a party where the coolest guy that the girls all like ISN’T a 6’4″ chisled-jaw doctor with a 6-pack??? Has NO ONE seen a guy like Jack Black dwarf everyone else when he expresses himself?? Has NO ONE gone out with a better looking wingman than them and had girls ignore their wingman for them?? Has NO ONE had uglier guys than them take girls off them?? Does anyone go out and run mixed sets??

“How much do looks compensate for a marginal lack of Game?”

Lots, IF no one at all interferes. If that guy manages to have a clear green light all the way to the bedroom, that guy with looks and no game will do just fine. But that’s not most guys and that’s not most situations. Most situations involve having to deal with some obstacles. Hell, if you’re TOO good looking you have to understand calibrating DOWN so that she doesn’t disqualify HERSELF thinking she doesn’t have a chance. A guy has to understand that shit, that’s GAME.

“I get this all the time BTW.”

I only bring it up because I know nobody else will and this thread will turn into a big circle-jerk of “here’s a good deal on $400 alligator shoes! Make sure you buy neon orange socks to go with them!!” nonsense lol


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“Maybe this is a better question: Those same two guys (Seth Rogan and Ninja Warrior) are at a club hanging out. ”

lol like I say I’ve wung with guys way better looking than me. My main wingman for a few years was a 6’4″ externally high-value alpha ripped MMA dude who was a Natural (he #-closed me to roll out together because when we met I was able to keep up with him his other buddies can’t). So I’ve been the Seth Rogan to Ninja Warriors.

“Knowing nothing about either’s Game and without saying a word, which guy gets IOIs from women in the club?”

Him. Girls will even approach him. But it’s irrelevant. If I don’t do ANYTHING at all and NO ONE interferes, he’ll get the girl. But if I, or anyone with 0.00001% better game in that exact moment, jumps in, they’ll switch even if I look like Seth Rogan. This is consistent…you’re the guy who explains Hypergamy, this is all consistent with that built-in function in women. The guy who reacts or is running slightly worse game is lower value in that moment to the girl (who’s reality consists of what’s happening in that very moment, she’s not thinking about “hmm logically even though this guy made me laugh this other guy has 3.4% more attributes in this category so I should be attracted to him instead! I will turn off my pussy for this other guy!”, she’s just going by her emotions in the moment and if I’m spiking her emotions more than him, that’s it, I’m higher value and her Hypergamy makes him chopped liver).

I know this isn’t how it “should” theoreticaly work based on society’s value system and what we’re socially conditioned to believe, but this is how it plays in-field when you’re running PROPER Attraction game, which I don’t think most guys DO. I think most guys run absolute minimum Attraction game, if any at all, and shoot right for Rapport and Comfort, espeically if they’re wearing a suit or jacked and think that’ll be enough Attraction. And it WILL be, as long as a guy with game doesn’t come along and spike her Attraction through the roof and blow him off her radar by flipping the right switches that Mystery laid out in A1-A3 years ago.

This is how it plays out in-field, over and over.

“Which guy has an easier go of applying his Game? IOW who has to work harder because of appearances and the judgements that Tanner addresses?”

That’s the same as asking “who has to work harder to get on top of Mount Everest, the guy climbing it or the guy in the helicopter? Since the goal is to be at the top of Mount Everest, the guy with the helicopter is building a better foundation for confidence because he got there easier.” Yes, he gets a slightly easier pass, but that’s not a GOOD THING in the longrun lol Who stays rich longer: the guy who wins the lottery (easy money) or the guy who works his ass off to run a business and be CEO and budget his money and build his millions from the ground up? Well the lottery winner got there easier and faster, so really we should admire the lottery winner and the lottery winner will be better equipped to deal with reality long-term right?

Know what I’m sayin? I’m not saying the guy won’t get Approach Invites and Warm Approaches, I’m saying that those aren’t necessarily a good goal for a guy to have, long-term.

“Which one of those types of guys (Seth or Ninja) does your average woman fantasize about when she’s got the pocket rocket buzzing away on her clit during the proliferative phase of her ovulatory cycle?”

This is irrelevant. Like, hmmm, how to explain how this is irrelevant…ok it’s like you’re saying “two cars are in a race. But Car A looks nicer than Car B. Which car do the fans picture themself driving? Which car do the fans cheer for more when they see photos of it?” It’s just irrelevant validation shit. I’m talking about ACTUALLY fucking girls.

It’s like I knew this guy who does photography on the side and he would always show us these hot bikini chicks on his phone. He’d be like “look how hot this one is” and “look what I get to do all day”. And he was super proud because these girls would TOTALLY text him and TOTALLY hang out with him and he TOTALLY got to check them out in bikinis WOW!!!! And another buddy who would always brag about how many girls he had on his Facebook, tons of girls knew him, everywhere we went girls knew him and he’d brag about it all the time.

…but every time those guys did that shit my Natural buddy (who’s banged a retarded number of girls since he was 16) and I would just roll our eyes to eachother because no one cares how many girls you know or how many girls look at you or how many girls are masturbating thinking of your 6-pack (and even then plenty of girls masturbate over DOMINANCE not looks, they visualize themselves getting raped not the rapist standing there flexing his 6-pack and a chubby dude can demonstrate dominance in his body-language/vibe/physicality/etc).

Because that’s all irrelevant fluff. It comes down to: ARE you sticking your dick in these girls, yes or no? And 99.9% of the time the answer was no, because these guys had looks/assets/etc but weak game.

“Ladies, feel free to opine. :)”

I mean, really? C’mon Rollo. You know better than anyone that what a girl says is bullshit, especially over the net. I can find you a fanpage for girls who want to fuck Seth Rogan. Don’t bring that kind of doggypile of emotional women shit into a discussion. We’re finally rid of IB don’t ruin it :P I mean what’s next, going to a HUS reader poll? lol


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on September 17th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
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@rollo
“Maybe this is a better question: Those same two guys (Seth Rogan and Ninja Warrior) are at a club hanging out. ”

lol like I say I’ve wung with guys way better looking than me. My main wingman for a few years was a 6’4″ externally high-value alpha ripped MMA dude who was a Natural (he #-closed me to roll out together because when we met I was able to keep up with him his other buddies can’t). So I’ve been the Seth Rogan to Ninja Warriors.

“Knowing nothing about either’s Game and without saying a word, which guy gets IOIs from women in the club?”

Him. Girls will even approach him. But it’s irrelevant. If I don’t do ANYTHING at all and NO ONE interferes, he’ll get the girl. But if I, or anyone with 0.00001% better game in that exact moment, jumps in, they’ll switch even if I look like Seth Rogan. This is consistent…you’re the guy who explains Hypergamy, this is all consistent with that built-in function in women. The guy who reacts or is running slightly worse game is lower value in that moment to the girl (who’s reality consists of what’s happening in that very moment, she’s not thinking about “hmm logically even though this guy made me laugh this other guy has 3.4% more attributes in this category so I should be attracted to him instead! I will turn off my pussy for this other guy!”, she’s just going by her emotions in the moment and if I’m spiking her emotions more than him, that’s it, I’m higher value and her Hypergamy makes him chopped liver).

I know this isn’t how it “should” theoreticaly work based on society’s value system and what we’re socially conditioned to believe, but this is how it plays in-field when you’re running PROPER Attraction game, which I don’t think most guys DO. I think most guys run absolute minimum Attraction game, if any at all, and shoot right for Rapport and Comfort, espeically if they’re wearing a suit or jacked and think that’ll be enough Attraction. And it WILL be, as long as a guy with game doesn’t come along and spike her Attraction through the roof and blow him off her radar by flipping the right switches that Mystery laid out in A1-A3 years ago.

This is how it plays out in-field, over and over.

“Which guy has an easier go of applying his Game? IOW who has to work harder because of appearances and the judgements that Tanner addresses?”

That’s the same as asking “who has to work harder to get on top of Mount Everest, the guy climbing it or the guy in the helicopter? Since the goal is to be at the top of Mount Everest, the guy with the helicopter is building a better foundation for confidence because he got there easier.” Yes, he gets a slightly easier pass, but that’s not a GOOD THING in the longrun lol Who stays rich longer: the guy who wins the lottery (easy money) or the guy who works his ass off to run a business and be CEO and budget his money and build his millions from the ground up? Well the lottery winner got there easier and faster, so really we should admire the lottery winner and the lottery winner will be better equipped to deal with reality long-term right?

Know what I’m sayin? I’m not saying the guy won’t get Approach Invites and Warm Approaches, I’m saying that those aren’t necessarily a good goal for a guy to have, long-term.

“Which one of those types of guys (Seth or Ninja) does your average woman fantasize about when she’s got the pocket rocket buzzing away on her clit during the proliferative phase of her ovulatory cycle?”

This is irrelevant. Like, hmmm, how to explain how this is irrelevant…ok it’s like you’re saying “two cars are in a race. But Car A looks nicer than Car B. Which car do the fans picture themself driving? Which car do the fans cheer for more when they see photos of it?” It’s just irrelevant validation shit. I’m talking about ACTUALLY fucking girls.

It’s like I knew this guy who does photography on the side and he would always show us these hot bikini chicks on his phone. He’d be like “look how hot this one is” and “look what I get to do all day”. And he was super proud because these girls would TOTALLY text him and TOTALLY hang out with him and he TOTALLY got to check them out in bikinis WOW!!!! And another buddy who would always brag about how many girls he had on his Facebook, tons of girls knew him, everywhere we went girls knew him and he’d brag about it all the time.

…but every time those guys did that shit my Natural buddy (who’s banged a retarded number of girls since he was 16) and I would just roll our eyes to eachother because no one cares how many girls you know or how many girls look at you or how many girls are masturbating thinking of your 6-pack (and even then plenty of girls masturbate over DOMINANCE not looks, they visualize themselves getting raped not the rapist standing there flexing his 6-pack and a chubby dude can demonstrate dominance in his body-language/vibe/physicality/etc).

Because that’s all irrelevant fluff. It comes down to: ARE you sticking your dick in these girls, yes or no? And 99.9% of the time the answer was no, because these guys had looks/assets/etc but weak game.

“Ladies, feel free to opine. :)”

I mean, really? C’mon Rollo. You know better than anyone that what a girl says is bullshit, especially over the net. I can find you a fanpage for girls who want to fuck Seth Rogan. Don’t bring that kind of doggypile of emotional women shit into a discussion. We’re finally rid of IB don’t ruin itπŸ˜› I mean what’s next, going to a HUS reader poll? lol


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@kfg

“And this where the guys who do studies on sexual preferences based on dating site profiles go completely off the fucking rails.”

Yup. Like, according to shit like “who would you date ladies? Post your opinions :)” half my buddies SHOULDN’T be getting laid. Tyler shouldn’t be able to get Attraction. No girl is like “I want a 5’7″ balding ginger midget with a nasally voice and effeminate weird asperger mannerisms” when you ask her, but there’s a shitload of in-field footage of it happening. Because girls live in the moment.

It’s weird to me that this is even controversial when we all accept that “Hypergamy doesn’t care” about all your attributes, when it switches to the higher-value guy it switches and all your previously valuable shit is just dead to her. Combine that with accepting that a Gene Simmons can wear a t-shirt and be high value and it’s like, how can anyone even argue that Gene will trigger a girl’s Hypergamy and make the 6-packed suit guy beside him be invisible? How is this controversial?

“How many guys have absolutely shit hygiene and wardrobe? From my point of view that number is a large percentage of the (at least American) population. Those guys need to hear that taking care of yourself and dressing cleanly and appropriately is something they should be doing. They need to hear that going out and spending some thought on how you look to other people is not wasted energy.”

I agree and that’s why I’d prefer they were told “handle your looks, but focus primarily on game”, not “you can make up for not having game by having looks and assets” or “wearing this specific article of clothing will make girls want to fuck you the way you want to fuck them when you see them in lingerie”. I think those are bad ways of presenting the message of “take care of your basic looks/hygiene, but then don’t waste mental energy and money on more of that shit beyond the basics and focus on game from there”.

“I still say that regardless of where that point of irrelevance happens, your appearance has an impact on her judgements before you start interacting with her.”

What I’m saying is that that means nothing. Her judgements before you start interacting with her are irrelevant. They just don’t matter once you open your mouth. A hot looking guy can instantly disqualify himself by being boring (one of my FBs calls it “such a waste of good genetics” when she runs into it), and a guy a girl isn’t into at ALL with tight game, will be hearing “it’s so weird, I’m normally not into guys like you at ALL, you’re not my type I don’t know what it IS…”

Ya you probably shouldn’t make it a habit of walking around dressed like a homeless person, but you should fuck with your comfort zone and get out of the “suit = high-value” mentality because girls aren’t in that mentality, that’s all in YOUR head not theirs.

“Gaming women is not something you “pass”, there is no “graduation”, it is only something you can “fail” and being nicely dressed prevents excessive failures.”

That’s the problem. Guys dress up thinking it’ll prevent excessive failure. Then they end up going home alone because they didn’t develop their game ’cause why would they if the suit will prevent them from excessive failure? Then they end up trapped in limbo where they confidence is linked to their suit/looks, but it doesn’t seem to be panning out for them, and they don’t know how to process that because everyone is telling them “dude a suit is like lingerie” and it fucks them up because no one will tell them “fuck your suit, tighten your game instead.”

“I admit, Rollo’s comment about a man in a suit being just as effective on a woman as a woman in lingerie is on a man strikes me as hyperbole (sorry Rollo). I don’t disagree that it is wrong for a guy to get the impression that there is any kind of magic pill. As Rollo has said, pick two, but if you can only have one, have game.”

Like I say, I deal with how shit plays out. And how shit plays out is an entire forum of guys on TRP and MISC who are focusing on lifting and making money instead of gaming. In the old days we had dozens of new Lay Reports going up every day in the community. Now all I see in forums is the occasional guy posting some weak social circle or “banged this 4 for a laugh” reports and a bunch of “bro don’t be so obsessed with pussy” comments when guys try to bring up actual game tactics. It’s stunting guys’ progress because they’re trying to focus on the easy passive approach instead of the scary pro-active one, because they can just “pick two” and that’s supposed to be as good as having game.

“This is situational. In a club, it is dark, your clothing matters even less as a guy because tight clothes are stupid on a man, you can’t show skin and the fit and color matching of your clothing is much harder to determine by a woman. Don’t just pick a situation where any effect appearance can have is removed from the equation and saying that looks don’t matter. That’s cherry picking.”

Lots of clubs are bright and by clubs I mean any night venue, pubs are bright as fuck these days. It applies for daygame too, if anything you get even MORE lenience in daygame because they aren’t EXPECTING you to dress well. You don’t have to walk down the street in a suit, just OPENING in the daytime is high-value as fuck. Those videos I posted of guys pretending to be homeless were all daygame. Are we all just pretending those videos don’t exist because we don’t have explanations for why those guys are getting girls despite breaking the rules?

@keyser
“Two men, one is dressed in a suit (with a good game), the other is like Arnold in a T-shirt (with no game).”

Logically. But watch death row and you’ll see lots of Arnolds with no game going home alone or with ugly aggressive chicks because they’re relying on passive game.

@kfg
“Arnold is the one that every girl in the room pays attention to. I wouldn’t put a good deal of money on his being the one doing the fucking at the end of the night.”

Exactly. All the attention he gets means fuck all without game. The 10s aren’t going to go approach him and ask to suck his dick as soon as he steps into the room. They’re going to notice them but they’re looking for OTHER attributes because ALL the guys in their social circle are good looking rich jacked dudes. The rich jacked dude is by default impressive to 6s because she’s surrounded by chodes.

@Jeremy
“YaReally brought data in contradiction to things we were saying, that’s what.”

My data is based on field experience, of myself, friends, other PUAs, tons of infield footage on YouTube etc. If I can bring in ANY evidence to the contrary then the belief has to be reevaluated, let alone bringing in a ton of evidence.

@Rollo
“Apparently I’d make more money promoting an all male stripper revue show if the guys had the bodies like Seth Rogan but had confidence and made the ladies laugh.”

You and I both know women don’t go to strip clubs to actually be turned on. They go for a laugh and state boosts. They’re not there like “ohhhh yaaa” leaning back leering like a creepy old man. They’re there with a bunch of girlfriends having a lolz-party.

It’s kind of sad to me that you’re going to these kind of comments, rallying the lady opinions and just snark. Am I on Jezebel? Like, I’m posting a shitload of explanation here, with videos that go against what was being said. I’m not even saying anything that goes against principles you yourself espouse (Hypergamy, women making emotional decisions, etc).

(I recommend the full clip, he talks about what I’m explaining, but if you want the funny part just skip to 2:35…other dude is taller than him and has better fitting clubby pants and shoes and shit. WHAT’S GOING ON??):

Yes, you can find videos where the jacked dude gets more girls, but the fact that I can find ANY where the “objectively by society’s standards less attractive guy” is getting the girls is enough to indicate that shit needs to be reevaluated.

“YaReally, I mean no ofense dude, I got that you’re just worried that newbies will use looks as a crutch, but honestly, you know that it matters. You can overcome bad looks, sure, but you’re making your life harder. It’s like swimming wearing jeans, unless you like the challenge, what’s the point? This horse has been beaten to death, let it rest in peace, man.”

I’ve said from the start that the looks guy will get more Approach Invites and Warm Approaches. It’s just that those don’t translate into fuck all except validation fluff without game unless he has absolutely no obstacles in the way to the bedroom.

My issue with it is the statement “suits are to women as lingerie is to men” is essentially saying “being pantless in the water is as good as learning to swim”. It’s not. The field proves it to be inconsistent pretty much every night.

How can anyone say “ok a rockstar can get laid not wearing a suit” but stick to the belief that suits make a man attractive? Or that lots of girls LIKE the MMA cargo shorts look. scribblerg in this very thread was just talking about how he got attraction in his dirty work clothes, I’ve met lots of chicks who think that shit is sexy as fuck, way more than a suit.

Are we just ignoring they exist? Because that’s cool, but then shit should be changed to “to a very specific type of woman in very specific circumstances/environments with very specific tastes, a suit is to her what lingerie is to a man”. My argument is that suits being attractive is not a universal thing.

Does no one hang out in any other types of venues? Nobody goes to rocker bars? Biker bars? Country bars? Does anyone hang out with anyone who doesn’t wear a suit??

I can’t even believe there’s resistance to what I’m saying lol


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on September 17th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
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@kfg

“And this where the guys who do studies on sexual preferences based on dating site profiles go completely off the fucking rails.”

Yup. Like, according to shit like “who would you date ladies? Post your opinions :)” half my buddies SHOULDN’T be getting laid. Tyler shouldn’t be able to get Attraction. No girl is like “I want a 5’7″ balding ginger midget with a nasally voice and effeminate weird asperger mannerisms” when you ask her, but there’s a shitload of in-field footage of it happening. Because girls live in the moment.

It’s weird to me that this is even controversial when we all accept that “Hypergamy doesn’t care” about all your attributes, when it switches to the higher-value guy it switches and all your previously valuable shit is just dead to her. Combine that with accepting that a Gene Simmons can wear a t-shirt and be high value and it’s like, how can anyone even argue that Gene will trigger a girl’s Hypergamy and make the 6-packed suit guy beside him be invisible? How is this controversial?

“How many guys have absolutely shit hygiene and wardrobe? From my point of view that number is a large percentage of the (at least American) population. Those guys need to hear that taking care of yourself and dressing cleanly and appropriately is something they should be doing. They need to hear that going out and spending some thought on how you look to other people is not wasted energy.”

I agree and that’s why I’d prefer they were told “handle your looks, but focus primarily on game”, not “you can make up for not having game by having looks and assets” or “wearing this specific article of clothing will make girls want to fuck you the way you want to fuck them when you see them in lingerie”. I think those are bad ways of presenting the message of “take care of your basic looks/hygiene, but then don’t waste mental energy and money on more of that shit beyond the basics and focus on game from there”.

“I still say that regardless of where that point of irrelevance happens, your appearance has an impact on her judgements before you start interacting with her.”

What I’m saying is that that means nothing. Her judgements before you start interacting with her are irrelevant. They just don’t matter once you open your mouth. A hot looking guy can instantly disqualify himself by being boring (one of my FBs calls it “such a waste of good genetics” when she runs into it), and a guy a girl isn’t into at ALL with tight game, will be hearing “it’s so weird, I’m normally not into guys like you at ALL, you’re not my type I don’t know what it IS…”

Ya you probably shouldn’t make it a habit of walking around dressed like a homeless person, but you should fuck with your comfort zone and get out of the “suit = high-value” mentality because girls aren’t in that mentality, that’s all in YOUR head not theirs.

“Gaming women is not something you “pass”, there is no “graduation”, it is only something you can “fail” and being nicely dressed prevents excessive failures.”

That’s the problem. Guys dress up thinking it’ll prevent excessive failure. Then they end up going home alone because they didn’t develop their game ’cause why would they if the suit will prevent them from excessive failure? Then they end up trapped in limbo where they confidence is linked to their suit/looks, but it doesn’t seem to be panning out for them, and they don’t know how to process that because everyone is telling them “dude a suit is like lingerie” and it fucks them up because no one will tell them “fuck your suit, tighten your game instead.”

“I admit, Rollo’s comment about a man in a suit being just as effective on a woman as a woman in lingerie is on a man strikes me as hyperbole (sorry Rollo). I don’t disagree that it is wrong for a guy to get the impression that there is any kind of magic pill. As Rollo has said, pick two, but if you can only have one, have game.”

Like I say, I deal with how shit plays out. And how shit plays out is an entire forum of guys on TRP and MISC who are focusing on lifting and making money instead of gaming. In the old days we had dozens of new Lay Reports going up every day in the community. Now all I see in forums is the occasional guy posting some weak social circle or “banged this 4 for a laugh” reports and a bunch of “bro don’t be so obsessed with pussy” comments when guys try to bring up actual game tactics. It’s stunting guys’ progress because they’re trying to focus on the easy passive approach instead of the scary pro-active one, because they can just “pick two” and that’s supposed to be as good as having game.

“This is situational. In a club, it is dark, your clothing matters even less as a guy because tight clothes are stupid on a man, you can’t show skin and the fit and color matching of your clothing is much harder to determine by a woman. Don’t just pick a situation where any effect appearance can have is removed from the equation and saying that looks don’t matter. That’s cherry picking.”

Lots of clubs are bright and by clubs I mean any night venue, pubs are bright as fuck these days. It applies for daygame too, if anything you get even MORE lenience in daygame because they aren’t EXPECTING you to dress well. You don’t have to walk down the street in a suit, just OPENING in the daytime is high-value as fuck. Those videos I posted of guys pretending to be homeless were all daygame. Are we all just pretending those videos don’t exist because we don’t have explanations for why those guys are getting girls despite breaking the rules?

@keyser
“Two men, one is dressed in a suit (with a good game), the other is like Arnold in a T-shirt (with no game).”

Logically. But watch death row and you’ll see lots of Arnolds with no game going home alone or with ugly aggressive chicks because they’re relying on passive game.

@kfg
“Arnold is the one that every girl in the room pays attention to. I wouldn’t put a good deal of money on his being the one doing the fucking at the end of the night.”

Exactly. All the attention he gets means fuck all without game. The 10s aren’t going to go approach him and ask to suck his dick as soon as he steps into the room. They’re going to notice them but they’re looking for OTHER attributes because ALL the guys in their social circle are good looking rich jacked dudes. The rich jacked dude is by default impressive to 6s because she’s surrounded by chodes.

@Jeremy
“YaReally brought data in contradiction to things we were saying, that’s what.”

My data is based on field experience, of myself, friends, other PUAs, tons of infield footage on YouTube etc. If I can bring in ANY evidence to the contrary then the belief has to be reevaluated, let alone bringing in a ton of evidence.

@Rollo
“Apparently I’d make more money promoting an all male stripper revue show if the guys had the bodies like Seth Rogan but had confidence and made the ladies laugh.”

You and I both know women don’t go to strip clubs to actually be turned on. They go for a laugh and state boosts. They’re not there like “ohhhh yaaa” leaning back leering like a creepy old man. They’re there with a bunch of girlfriends having a lolz-party.

It’s kind of sad to me that you’re going to these kind of comments, rallying the lady opinions and just snark. Am I on Jezebel? Like, I’m posting a shitload of explanation here, with videos that go against what was being said. I’m not even saying anything that goes against principles you yourself espouse (Hypergamy, women making emotional decisions, etc).

(I recommend the full clip, he talks about what I’m explaining, but if you want the funny part just skip to 2:35…other dude is taller than him and has better fitting clubby pants and shoes and shit. WHAT’S GOING ON??):

Yes, you can find videos where the jacked dude gets more girls, but the fact that I can find ANY where the “objectively by society’s standards less attractive guy” is getting the girls is enough to indicate that shit needs to be reevaluated.

“YaReally, I mean no ofense dude, I got that you’re just worried that newbies will use looks as a crutch, but honestly, you know that it matters. You can overcome bad looks, sure, but you’re making your life harder. It’s like swimming wearing jeans, unless you like the challenge, what’s the point? This horse has been beaten to death, let it rest in peace, man.”

I’ve said from the start that the looks guy will get more Approach Invites and Warm Approaches. It’s just that those don’t translate into fuck all except validation fluff without game unless he has absolutely no obstacles in the way to the bedroom.

My issue with it is the statement “suits are to women as lingerie is to men” is essentially saying “being pantless in the water is as good as learning to swim”. It’s not. The field proves it to be inconsistent pretty much every night.

How can anyone say “ok a rockstar can get laid not wearing a suit” but stick to the belief that suits make a man attractive? Or that lots of girls LIKE the MMA cargo shorts look. scribblerg in this very thread was just talking about how he got attraction in his dirty work clothes, I’ve met lots of chicks who think that shit is sexy as fuck, way more than a suit.

Are we just ignoring they exist? Because that’s cool, but then shit should be changed to “to a very specific type of woman in very specific circumstances/environments with very specific tastes, a suit is to her what lingerie is to a man”. My argument is that suits being attractive is not a universal thing.

Does no one hang out in any other types of venues? Nobody goes to rocker bars? Biker bars? Country bars? Does anyone hang out with anyone who doesn’t wear a suit??

I can’t even believe there’s resistance to what I’m saying lol


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And my point is that this WILL damage guys. I see it all the time with intermediate guys hitting that wall where their internals are just shaky and weak because they followed the easy quick validation path.

As awesome as these guys all are when they’re ripped with a 6-pack at 25 with a great job, there’s a chance they may at some point in their 30s maybe after an LTR blows up in their face, not have the same looks, or as much money, or have put on a few pounds, or see wrinkles on their face or grey hairs, and when their confidence has been based on their externals instead of their internals they are in for a VERY rough re-learning curve. What happens to those guys is they end up dating 30+yo 6/10s because they don’t have the looks they used to have and they spent years feeding the mindset that looks matter, so they don’t feel entitled to the smokin hot <25yo's.

It's about more than just getting their dick wet as fast as possible. I view game as creating solid men with oak tree cores, not just throwing some flashy exterior shit on them to get them laid and saying "eh fuck it" when someone asks "but what about their long-term development?"


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@DandyDude

And my point is that this WILL damage guys. I see it all the time with intermediate guys hitting that wall where their internals are just shaky and weak because they followed the easy quick validation path.

As awesome as these guys all are when they’re ripped with a 6-pack at 25 with a great job, there’s a chance they may at some point in their 30s maybe after an LTR blows up in their face, not have the same looks, or as much money, or have put on a few pounds, or see wrinkles on their face or grey hairs, and when their confidence has been based on their externals instead of their internals they are in for a VERY rough re-learning curve. What happens to those guys is they end up dating 30+yo 6/10s because they don’t have the looks they used to have and they spent years feeding the mindset that looks matter, so they don’t feel entitled to the smokin hot <25yo's.

It's about more than just getting their dick wet as fast as possible. I view game as creating solid men with oak tree cores, not just throwing some flashy exterior shit on them to get them laid and saying "eh fuck it" when someone asks "but what about their long-term development?"


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@keyser
” I think when you dress in Armani suit and you look like a million bucks=provision. ”

There’s also this aspect but my posts are long enough that I haven’t gotten into it but very briefly: on top of the potential internal damage these beliefs have, coming off as TOO well-off can put you into the Provider category where she was GOING to fuck you that night till she realized you’re loaded and a great catch and now she wants to make you wait a month to fuck you. Lots of too-externally-high-value dudes have this problem and it blindsides them because it’s something they didn’t even think about.

I get put into the Lover category because I don’t look like a Provider, so I’m the guy they fuck the first night while that Provider guy takes them on dates. Those guys text girls while we’re fucking and we just lol at it. And when those guys are inevitably more boring in bed than me (because she knows them too well and they don’t have game, they just have a 6-pack she’s seen every day or money she knows she has unlimited access too), she comes back to me to fuck because I give them the emotions they ACTUALLY need that that guy didn’t learn to give them ’cause hey he had looks and assets. We all know girls don’t cheat or divorce rich good-looking guys, right? (insert the HUGE list of rich good-looking male celebrities who’ve been divorced or cheated on in the last few years)

If you want to be a Provider for a girl, cool, but in 2015 if you’re under 40 you should probably do some more reading on LTR dynamics and marriage stats, divorce rates, family court, learn about Hypergamy and Lover/Providers etc and consider a better option lol


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@keyser
” I think when you dress in Armani suit and you look like a million bucks=provision. ”

There’s also this aspect but my posts are long enough that I haven’t gotten into it but very briefly: on top of the potential internal damage these beliefs have, coming off as TOO well-off can put you into the Provider category where she was GOING to fuck you that night till she realized you’re loaded and a great catch and now she wants to make you wait a month to fuck you. Lots of too-externally-high-value dudes have this problem and it blindsides them because it’s something they didn’t even think about.

I get put into the Lover category because I don’t look like a Provider, so I’m the guy they fuck the first night while that Provider guy takes them on dates. Those guys text girls while we’re fucking and we just lol at it. And when those guys are inevitably more boring in bed than me (because she knows them too well and they don’t have game, they just have a 6-pack she’s seen every day or money she knows she has unlimited access too), she comes back to me to fuck because I give them the emotions they ACTUALLY need that that guy didn’t learn to give them ’cause hey he had looks and assets. We all know girls don’t cheat or divorce rich good-looking guys, right? (insert the HUGE list of rich good-looking male celebrities who’ve been divorced or cheated on in the last few years)

If you want to be a Provider for a girl, cool, but in 2015 if you’re under 40 you should probably do some more reading on LTR dynamics and marriage stats, divorce rates, family court, learn about Hypergamy and Lover/Providers etc and consider a better option lol


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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@keyser
“Some women do fuck the male strippers.
The vast majority of women who go to male strip clubs are Ugly.

I personally knew a male Stripper who fucked 90% of ugly women who use to be his “clients”.”

…I mean. I assume we’re talking about fucking hot girls here lol Did I have to specify that?

“Girls will give you a number to get rid of you, and they’ll often do it politely.”

If you can’t see the legit attraction being sparked in a lot of those interactions I don’t know what to tell ya.

“Those videos do not prove that game innately overcomes being fat, ugly, and dressed like a homeless man”

So the video where guys are getting legit attraction overcoming being fat, ugly and dressed like a homeless man don’t prove that game innately overcomes being fat, ugly and dressed like a homeless man?

I mean, you could try going out dressed like a homeless man and approaching and gaming girls for a year. But you won’t.

“I agree they are contradicting evidence to the notion that a suit is “as effective” as lingerie, but contrary evidence to hyperbole does not negate the usefulness of good looks.”

No, but it negates the absolute statement that a suit is the same as lingerie which has been my point from the start. Looks are a wonderful little cherry on top, but any night out you can see ugly guys getting laid over better looking guys with less game. This shit is all over the place out there.

I would put money on Patrice O’Neal fucking a girl over any dude with a 6-pack who goes up against him, because he has internal confidence and understands women and has epic game that cuts right to their subconscious brains. Even just in voice you can tell he’s getting attraction from the girls he’s on the show with:


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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@keyser
“Some women do fuck the male strippers.
The vast majority of women who go to male strip clubs are Ugly.

I personally knew a male Stripper who fucked 90% of ugly women who use to be his “clients”.”

…I mean. I assume we’re talking about fucking hot girls here lol Did I have to specify that?

“Girls will give you a number to get rid of you, and they’ll often do it politely.”

If you can’t see the legit attraction being sparked in a lot of those interactions I don’t know what to tell ya.

“Those videos do not prove that game innately overcomes being fat, ugly, and dressed like a homeless man”

So the video where guys are getting legit attraction overcoming being fat, ugly and dressed like a homeless man don’t prove that game innately overcomes being fat, ugly and dressed like a homeless man?

I mean, you could try going out dressed like a homeless man and approaching and gaming girls for a year. But you won’t.

“I agree they are contradicting evidence to the notion that a suit is “as effective” as lingerie, but contrary evidence to hyperbole does not negate the usefulness of good looks.”

No, but it negates the absolute statement that a suit is the same as lingerie which has been my point from the start. Looks are a wonderful little cherry on top, but any night out you can see ugly guys getting laid over better looking guys with less game. This shit is all over the place out there.

I would put money on Patrice O’Neal fucking a girl over any dude with a 6-pack who goes up against him, because he has internal confidence and understands women and has epic game that cuts right to their subconscious brains. Even just in voice you can tell he’s getting attraction from the girls he’s on the show with:


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@Sun Wukong
“I see where you’re coming from, but I also see where Rollo is coming from. There’s no reason you shouldn’t leverage every tool available to you, be it looks, style, money, Game, or whatever.”

I agree, but my point is, and I don’t know if I’m not making this clear or what but I don’t know any other way to say it:

Looks, style and money are all PASSIVE game attributes. They’re EASY to obtain because you don’t have to put your ego through the absolute nightmare that is risking public humiliation in the “trying to replicate” department. Guys will go climb a mountain and go off to war and then come back and go out to a bar and be scared to death to go over and chat up a hot girl. Guys are fucking terrified of that shit, ESPECIALLY the guys who are so fucked up that they’re looking up “how to pick up girls” on the internet and reading comment sections like this looking for help.

Hitting the gym? Fucking EASY, you just go there. Or lift weights at home, no one even has to SEE it. Making money? You just log more hours at the office or get another job, sell some shit and buy yourself a nice fitted suit, that’s all shit you can just do on your own.

But when you get the bar, having looks and money are passive attributes that will NOT make you able to talk to a girl and will NOT help you take a girl from an Approach Invite to sticking your dick in her unless there’s no obstacles and she makes all the moves and generally the girls who make all the moves are the 6s and 7s. The 9s and 10s are usually out with dudes or want to see if you have the balls to step up and can lead the interaction forward. They’ll even hide their interest just to see what you do when you don’t have blatant ioi’s…do you keep going assuming attraction and leading things forward, or do you choke because you’re used to relying on ioi’s for your confidence?

So my point is that YES, it’s good to focus on all of them, but when you make game OPTIONAL (“pick two of these 3”), most guys will ignore game or very much half-ass it and focus way more on the easier things to obtain that don’t require having their ego ripped apart in public on a regular basis.

That’s all I’m saying. I’m not saying looks aren’t good, I’m not saying there aren’t benefits to money, etc etc I’m saying that there are drawbacks that newbies should be aware of and they should focus on game primarily, not get caught up in fitted suits and 6-packs that will be irrelevant the second they open their mouth.

And doing it “the hard way” will build a better skillset. The reason I can run circles around most guys in-field is because they’ve simply never had to HAVE good game, no one ever goes up against them and they’ve never bothered to learn any of the dynamics about value and DHVs and what exactly is going on. They’re just not equipped to deal with someone with decent game. A guy who spends years out sarging shouldn’t end up like that guy, he should end up with solid skills that overcome all this shit.

“As for style (or anything else, for that matter) becoming a crutch, bro early on I’m gonna be honest: I fucking need one.”

This is why I’m saying. We WANT to find crutches, because it’s HARD to not rely on a crutch. So we (meaning guys on the learning path in general) do shit like go out with our buddies who get wasted because going out sober and solo is HARD and SCARY and we “fucking NEED a crutch”. Next thing you know we’re wasted and not getting laid and rationalizing that. Or we don’t go out, we focus on other areas like oh I’ll stay in tonight and just hit the gym so I’m still productive. Great, you just threw away a night of reference experiences for a night of reinforcing your crutch. Or we go out and then make excuses not to approach because approaching is SCARY and our ego is on the line, so we booze it up or we go for the 4-6/10s instead of the 9s and 10s we ACTUALLY want and we even get LAID, but in the morning we have that empty sense of “fuck, I wish I could just DO this properly, but it’s HAAAAARD”. We tie our value to specific venues, specific nights of the week, specific clothing/style, specific types of girls, etc etc and it’s all just creating weaknesses because when we’re forced outside of that comfort zone, our brain goes “ahh fuck I don’t know what to do in this situation!!!” So the guy in the suit at the bar who’s super money, chokes when he sees his personal 10 at a grocery store at noon in the bright daylight while he’s on his way back from the gym wearing his scrubby gym clothes because he doesn’t have his crutch.

“I can’t find a good wingman around here, I can’t find a good venue for the life of me, and currently my confidence to even practice game is pretty much bottomed out. I don’t even want to try anything new since I’m barely getting IOIs from HB4s, never mind HB5+.”

Post Field Reports and experienced guys can help nail down where shit is going haywire. The PUA community from day one has had hyperactive Field Report sections where guys help eachother learn. Set lower, more achievable goals. Consider relocating to a different environment (like moving from a low key suburb to a busy bar area near a University etc). Consider a different style of game (networking and social circle game VS solo cold approach). Use feedback on field reports to get to where you can land girls just as pivots to go out with (disqualify yourself from hitting on them so you’re like their harmless fun BFF they’ll all come out to the bar with) and use them as social proof, befriend bar staff and use them as social proof, etc. etc.

I’m invisible to girls until I open my mouth. I can walk into a room feeling like king shit and no girls will check me out or turn their heads to me, let alone come open me. If I roll into that same room feeling good and unstifled and joke with the bouncer and say what’s up to the bartender and get him laughing, I’ll get an eye or two. If I joke around with whoever’s beside me as I order my drink and tease a waitress, I’ll get a few more eyes. If I roll into that same venue with a cool fun buddy and we’re yapping about something interesting to us and we joke with the bouncer and bartenders etc, we’ll both get a bunch of eyes. etc. etc. It’s just smart tactics. Playing chess, not checkers. The point where I’ll start getting more attention than the good-looking guys is generally the point where I have some kind of social proof/preselection. If I build my value from there, those guys start fading into the background to girls. And if I BEFRIEND those guys and get them reacting and qualifying to me and demonstrating that they’re more stifled than I am, they become pretty much invisible.

“Going out and approaching when you get no attention isn’t so much “scary” as it is discouraging. I’m tired of being blown out. I just want to feel on occasion like I’m not Quasimodo, and working on my looks (through style and physical conditioning) is the best route.”

This is what I’m talking about. What happens when you get blown out after you achieve your goal weight and have your favorite shirt on? You’ve got this goal of “ok I’m Quasimodo but once I get my looks and style down, I won’t get blown out as much” but there’s no real correlation. Your game is what will determine if you get blown out, otherwise all these good looking guys would all be getting laid by every girl they talk to instead of OFTEN going home alone and even being virgins. And it feels a lot more hopeful to believe in this idea than to go “shit, I guess this is just going to be a lot of eating shit for a while” because you’re not working on your looks and money to look better and be wealthier you’re working on them to avoid the pain of rejection and to bank on them getting you better reactions.

This is why a lot of good-looking rich dudes are super fucked up internally, because they’ve got everything society tells them they need to get their dream girl, and they’re still getting blown out and have NO IDEA why. They followed all the rules. And they can’t complain about it because then they’ll look like complete losers because what kind of loser can be driving a sick car, wear an expensive fitted suit, have a 6-pack, and STILL not get laid when he goes out? He must be the biggest loser in the fucking WORLD…and who’s he gonna complain to, some UGLY guy? Admit he can’t get laid to some guy who doesn’t have the external value he has? Pffft no way!! Just suffer in silence. Drink more and more, party harder and harder, take up a cocaine habit (there’s a reason so many externally high-value people in high-end circles are coking up when they go out and it’s not because they’re super happy with their life internally lol)

Now I’m not saying DON’T do that stuff. I’m just saying be aware that it’s not going to necessarily fix your problems so don’t bank all your hope on it…do those things, but ALSO do your Field Reports, get feedback, keep trying to find like-minded guys like your radio show (I listened to the last two eps while I was working btw good stuff, groups of like-minded guys on the same path are important, that’s what we had in the old community days, there was literally one board where everyone went and TONS of discussion and encouragement and help…also try not to give private details away so shit doesn’t haunt your guys’ careers etc), and apply more strategic shit in-field like I described above. Learn to understand how social proof and shit enhance your value to the girls around you. Be more strategic, don’t just go up ice cold. Girls will be curious about Quasimodo if they see a bartender shaking his hand and greeting him by name as a hot waitress runs over to hug him. That might not be you NOW, but how hard would it be for that to BE you? A few fun conversations with a bartender, joke around a bit, hit the same bar a few times so he recognizes you, joke/tease the waitress when she’s seen you talking to the bartender (so she’s more likely to be receptive on top of her job being to be nice to customers), etc. etc. and a month from now you’re walking in there like Quasimodo the celebrity.

But to help, we need to see what you’re doing when you’re out there so we can dissect it and give you tips and ideas to try out and help refine shit so you start getting the results you’re looking for. Ya hit the gym and buy some nice clothes so you feel good too, but focus on game and understand that down the road you’re going to need to detach from those crutches.

Temporary crutches are okay if you’re fully aware that they ARE simply crutches…my issue with stuff like “suit = lingerie” or the lift/money culture of TRP is it unintentionally misleads guys (who don’t have the field experience to know better) into not realizing that those things are a crutch and that they’ll have to detach themselves from it down the road and the longer they wait to detach the harder it’ll be TO detach.

“It doesn’t mean he’s going to neglect game if it’s just a route to building the confidence to try.”

And I’m cool with that. But I think that needs to be stated in these conversations so guys understand going in exactly what they’re taking on and the drawbacks to it, which is what I’m trying to do here, instead of just brushing it aside and sarcastically ridiculing the notion that maybe not all girls are attracted to suits and maybe there are other aspects to game that a guy should learn and understand.

All my posts stemmed from the over the top absolutes Rollo and this Tanner guy were dropping. I think they’re oversimplifying shit in a way that 1) isn’t universally applicable and 2) doesn’t warn guys of the downsides of what they’re getting into and 3) reinforces an absolute that will be very difficult to dismantle later when they need to BECAUSE it was presented to them as an absolute.

@Badpainter
“I’ve never actually seen the “6’4″ chisled-jaw doctor with a 6-pack”, or any variation there of, where he was the coolest guy at the party, and all the girls liked him.”

The way a lot of TRP/Manosphere guys talk those guys are EVERYWHERE, dozens of them at every party, walking around the streets 24/7, lurking behind every bush, in every bar, and they’re the only ones who get laid by hot girls. It’s ridiculous. It doesn’t hold up in-field. A buddy of mine recently went to Vegas and he was like “it was weird, I was expecting to see all these money guys there like in the movies…all these dudes suited up with sick game, macking girls and just being way cooler than anyone from my city. But like, I didn’t see ANY…maybe one two the entire weekend. It was a huge reality shaker for me, I just assumed other guys were all cooler than us. I saw good-looking guys and rich guys but they were all reactive and jumpy and chasing girls needy as fuck.”

@Jeremy
“I’ve discussed preference with women who were being open and honest with me (because I was no threat) and without fail they say that sometimes the appearance of the dude is just a flat turn-off and there’s little he can do about it. Women simply have narrow, individualized standards that they use to exclude some men.”

Yes, that DOES happen. What I’m saying is that 1) they aren’t universally ruling men out with the same standard across the board (ie – not wearing a suit = not wearing lingerie) and 2) a LOT of those women, if they actually met a dude with those particular looks who had game and had a chance to run it on them, would be the same girls who tell me “it’s so weird, you’re not normally my type at ALL” and show me pics of their exes who are way better/different looking than me. That’s a whole ‘nother topic in itself tho lol

Even Patrice, in one of those clips he likes to test girls with “have you ever been with a black man?” and when he gets a chick who says she’s not into black guys he doesn’t give up he just keeps charming her because he knows he’ll be the exception to her rules/tastes if he can game her. He knows that because he’s done it, just like lots of us have.

@Sun Wukong
“I like to think that I could beat out Patrice now, but then I’d also like to think I could beat out most (if not all) corpses.”

lol I only discovered his stuff after his death but MAN does he know his shit. Dude is a masterclass in the female mind and frame etc

@keyser
“Do you really think that vast majority of women who go to male strip clubs are HB 9 or 10 or 8s ?”

No, but I’m not the one who brought up male strip clubs lol If there’s a group of 8/9/10s in a male stripclub, they’re not there being sleazy creepers like I don’t know a 2/10 creepy old fat cougar might, they’re there having a laugh.

@Forge the Sky
“The question is, do looks/style matter at all? I would contend that they do.”

Right, like I say a guy SHOULD handle that stuff, but all he needs to handle is the bare minimum of it and he should understand that building up his confidence around that shit is very likely to fuck him over down the road. And he should be focusing on game and making those SECONDARY. I have a buddy who works out on Fri/Sat so he only goes to the bar during the week and that’s his like one outing. I told him seriously man if you want to get this shit handled, change your gym days to during the week and head out on Fri/Sat nights where you can get a ton of experience fast. That guy will NOT improve very fast or get the results he wants but he thinks that lifting is as good as learning game and I don’t support that notion because it leads to shit like that.

“YaReally is pointing out that, with the right game, pretty much any sort of looks cease to make a difference. He backs it up well, so even though it’s counter-intuitive I’m prepared to believe him.”

This. I know that no one is going to ACTUALLY be like “ya, YaReally is totally right” because I would bet that nobody here is like, heading out to a <25yo club this weekend dressed like shit and approaching any 8+s they see and trying to take down mixed sets and shit lol Like a lot of game stuff you have to experience shit first-hand before you believe it because most of game runs counter-intuitive. A guy will convince himself he doesn't need a prenup because sure all his friends got burned and sure all the stats say other guys get burned, but HIS unicorn is SPECIAL…till he gets burned and THEN he finally (hopefully) comes around. This is why I stress go out go out go out, the field reveals all.

I'm not making this shit up out of like, "hmm I think theoretically this is what would happen". That's not how pickup works, we don't start with a theory and try to find evidence to confirm it, we start with "ok that worked…now how can we duplicate it and why do certain tweaks to that backwards engineering produce this result while other tweaks produce a different result".

"So any sort of looks can be worked with and you should never give up on anything due to them"

I like Tyler's rule: "do what you can with them, then let it go, and don't make excuses to avoid hitting the field like "oh if I get just a little bit more jacked" or "oh as soon as I get a better shirt" or "oh once I get a nicer car THEN I'll go out and approach those girls"

"If you have literally no game, though, or if you don’t take any sort of action, no degree of looks/style will do you any good."

This is my issue with "suit = lingerie" and "pick two". It implies to newbies that "oh okay, that game stuff is important if I can only have ONE attribute, but I can have any TWO, so I'll pick the easy ones I can fix quickly instead and just keep maxing those out until they work since if I saw a girl in lingerie I would want to fuck her she wouldn't really need to go through years of learning game" That's all.

@Rollo
"Hmm,…then by that logic I suppose I should expect my 2016 calendar of Seth Rogan and Jonah Hill lookalikes (shirtless and in their tighty-whiteys) to outsell the ‘Hawt Firemen’ calendars with the ladies this year."

Totally. I mean, by that logic I suppose we can expect that only 6'+ white male doctors can get laid since that's what every girl on POF says she's looking for and since she skips past the profile pics of anyone who isn't white or is under 6 feet tall or doesn't have a doctor job none of those guys can have sex. If you want to make silly analogies, I'm all for them, but it's just fluff.

"I only think I disagree with you on certain aspects by order of degrees on this YaReally, and you know I endorse you, but I’ve also promoted shows like Thunder from Down Under for years now too."

And is your business model based on how many girls the guys fuck and how many girls come back and chase those guys with no ASD etc to fuck them as regular fuckbuddies after they leave the venue after that night of high-energy buying-temperature spiking drunken party energy?

Or is it based on how much those guys can spike the girls' buying temperature in a venue where those guys are the only focus for the women's attention and the women are, inherently, not there to fuck those guys?

You're simplifying game down to a ridiculous level…"a girl looks at a guy, so that means he can fuck her no matter what happens". Why do marriages fall apart when the girl was initially attracted to her guy? 'cause he loses value or she sees other guys with higher value and Hypergamy shuts her man down and makes her gun for the higher-value guy. High-value comes from DHV'ing. Game has VASTLY more tools for DHV'ing than relying on looks. This is all consistent accepted principles.

"Trust me, the women (and they’re a broad demographic) got to these shows to get turned on. Are they fucking the strippers after the show? Obviously most aren’t, but once the show lets out at 11 it’s game-on for these girls at the venues bars."

And do they all go home with guys in suits?

"And the smart guys with a similar look will be fucking them. It’s like getting sharks to feed with blood in the water."

And do any guys actually step in when one of those guys is talking to one of these girls and try to take her off him, or do guys sit back like "ah he's gonna get her for sure"? Be honest now. On top of that there's ratios to consider. A venue with 100 horny girls and 30 guys, the guys aren't going to compete with eachother, why would they? Try removing 95 of those girls from the venue so it's 30 of those good-looking jacked dudes and 5 girls and see what attributes win out when guys have to actually compete. I mean if they're all jacked like that then the girls shouldn't be choosing one guy over the other right? Every girl should be fucking 6 guys. But that doesn't happen…hmmm, what could make the difference between which one gets the girl and which doesn't….? (spoiler alert: it's about 0.00001%)


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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@Sun Wukong
“I see where you’re coming from, but I also see where Rollo is coming from. There’s no reason you shouldn’t leverage every tool available to you, be it looks, style, money, Game, or whatever.”

I agree, but my point is, and I don’t know if I’m not making this clear or what but I don’t know any other way to say it:

Looks, style and money are all PASSIVE game attributes. They’re EASY to obtain because you don’t have to put your ego through the absolute nightmare that is risking public humiliation in the “trying to replicate” department. Guys will go climb a mountain and go off to war and then come back and go out to a bar and be scared to death to go over and chat up a hot girl. Guys are fucking terrified of that shit, ESPECIALLY the guys who are so fucked up that they’re looking up “how to pick up girls” on the internet and reading comment sections like this looking for help.

Hitting the gym? Fucking EASY, you just go there. Or lift weights at home, no one even has to SEE it. Making money? You just log more hours at the office or get another job, sell some shit and buy yourself a nice fitted suit, that’s all shit you can just do on your own.

But when you get the bar, having looks and money are passive attributes that will NOT make you able to talk to a girl and will NOT help you take a girl from an Approach Invite to sticking your dick in her unless there’s no obstacles and she makes all the moves and generally the girls who make all the moves are the 6s and 7s. The 9s and 10s are usually out with dudes or want to see if you have the balls to step up and can lead the interaction forward. They’ll even hide their interest just to see what you do when you don’t have blatant ioi’s…do you keep going assuming attraction and leading things forward, or do you choke because you’re used to relying on ioi’s for your confidence?

So my point is that YES, it’s good to focus on all of them, but when you make game OPTIONAL (“pick two of these 3”), most guys will ignore game or very much half-ass it and focus way more on the easier things to obtain that don’t require having their ego ripped apart in public on a regular basis.

That’s all I’m saying. I’m not saying looks aren’t good, I’m not saying there aren’t benefits to money, etc etc I’m saying that there are drawbacks that newbies should be aware of and they should focus on game primarily, not get caught up in fitted suits and 6-packs that will be irrelevant the second they open their mouth.

And doing it “the hard way” will build a better skillset. The reason I can run circles around most guys in-field is because they’ve simply never had to HAVE good game, no one ever goes up against them and they’ve never bothered to learn any of the dynamics about value and DHVs and what exactly is going on. They’re just not equipped to deal with someone with decent game. A guy who spends years out sarging shouldn’t end up like that guy, he should end up with solid skills that overcome all this shit.

“As for style (or anything else, for that matter) becoming a crutch, bro early on I’m gonna be honest: I fucking need one.”

This is why I’m saying. We WANT to find crutches, because it’s HARD to not rely on a crutch. So we (meaning guys on the learning path in general) do shit like go out with our buddies who get wasted because going out sober and solo is HARD and SCARY and we “fucking NEED a crutch”. Next thing you know we’re wasted and not getting laid and rationalizing that. Or we don’t go out, we focus on other areas like oh I’ll stay in tonight and just hit the gym so I’m still productive. Great, you just threw away a night of reference experiences for a night of reinforcing your crutch. Or we go out and then make excuses not to approach because approaching is SCARY and our ego is on the line, so we booze it up or we go for the 4-6/10s instead of the 9s and 10s we ACTUALLY want and we even get LAID, but in the morning we have that empty sense of “fuck, I wish I could just DO this properly, but it’s HAAAAARD”. We tie our value to specific venues, specific nights of the week, specific clothing/style, specific types of girls, etc etc and it’s all just creating weaknesses because when we’re forced outside of that comfort zone, our brain goes “ahh fuck I don’t know what to do in this situation!!!” So the guy in the suit at the bar who’s super money, chokes when he sees his personal 10 at a grocery store at noon in the bright daylight while he’s on his way back from the gym wearing his scrubby gym clothes because he doesn’t have his crutch.

“I can’t find a good wingman around here, I can’t find a good venue for the life of me, and currently my confidence to even practice game is pretty much bottomed out. I don’t even want to try anything new since I’m barely getting IOIs from HB4s, never mind HB5+.”

Post Field Reports and experienced guys can help nail down where shit is going haywire. The PUA community from day one has had hyperactive Field Report sections where guys help eachother learn. Set lower, more achievable goals. Consider relocating to a different environment (like moving from a low key suburb to a busy bar area near a University etc). Consider a different style of game (networking and social circle game VS solo cold approach). Use feedback on field reports to get to where you can land girls just as pivots to go out with (disqualify yourself from hitting on them so you’re like their harmless fun BFF they’ll all come out to the bar with) and use them as social proof, befriend bar staff and use them as social proof, etc. etc.

I’m invisible to girls until I open my mouth. I can walk into a room feeling like king shit and no girls will check me out or turn their heads to me, let alone come open me. If I roll into that same room feeling good and unstifled and joke with the bouncer and say what’s up to the bartender and get him laughing, I’ll get an eye or two. If I joke around with whoever’s beside me as I order my drink and tease a waitress, I’ll get a few more eyes. If I roll into that same venue with a cool fun buddy and we’re yapping about something interesting to us and we joke with the bouncer and bartenders etc, we’ll both get a bunch of eyes. etc. etc. It’s just smart tactics. Playing chess, not checkers. The point where I’ll start getting more attention than the good-looking guys is generally the point where I have some kind of social proof/preselection. If I build my value from there, those guys start fading into the background to girls. And if I BEFRIEND those guys and get them reacting and qualifying to me and demonstrating that they’re more stifled than I am, they become pretty much invisible.

“Going out and approaching when you get no attention isn’t so much “scary” as it is discouraging. I’m tired of being blown out. I just want to feel on occasion like I’m not Quasimodo, and working on my looks (through style and physical conditioning) is the best route.”

This is what I’m talking about. What happens when you get blown out after you achieve your goal weight and have your favorite shirt on? You’ve got this goal of “ok I’m Quasimodo but once I get my looks and style down, I won’t get blown out as much” but there’s no real correlation. Your game is what will determine if you get blown out, otherwise all these good looking guys would all be getting laid by every girl they talk to instead of OFTEN going home alone and even being virgins. And it feels a lot more hopeful to believe in this idea than to go “shit, I guess this is just going to be a lot of eating shit for a while” because you’re not working on your looks and money to look better and be wealthier you’re working on them to avoid the pain of rejection and to bank on them getting you better reactions.

This is why a lot of good-looking rich dudes are super fucked up internally, because they’ve got everything society tells them they need to get their dream girl, and they’re still getting blown out and have NO IDEA why. They followed all the rules. And they can’t complain about it because then they’ll look like complete losers because what kind of loser can be driving a sick car, wear an expensive fitted suit, have a 6-pack, and STILL not get laid when he goes out? He must be the biggest loser in the fucking WORLD…and who’s he gonna complain to, some UGLY guy? Admit he can’t get laid to some guy who doesn’t have the external value he has? Pffft no way!! Just suffer in silence. Drink more and more, party harder and harder, take up a cocaine habit (there’s a reason so many externally high-value people in high-end circles are coking up when they go out and it’s not because they’re super happy with their life internally lol)

Now I’m not saying DON’T do that stuff. I’m just saying be aware that it’s not going to necessarily fix your problems so don’t bank all your hope on it…do those things, but ALSO do your Field Reports, get feedback, keep trying to find like-minded guys like your radio show (I listened to the last two eps while I was working btw good stuff, groups of like-minded guys on the same path are important, that’s what we had in the old community days, there was literally one board where everyone went and TONS of discussion and encouragement and help…also try not to give private details away so shit doesn’t haunt your guys’ careers etc), and apply more strategic shit in-field like I described above. Learn to understand how social proof and shit enhance your value to the girls around you. Be more strategic, don’t just go up ice cold. Girls will be curious about Quasimodo if they see a bartender shaking his hand and greeting him by name as a hot waitress runs over to hug him. That might not be you NOW, but how hard would it be for that to BE you? A few fun conversations with a bartender, joke around a bit, hit the same bar a few times so he recognizes you, joke/tease the waitress when she’s seen you talking to the bartender (so she’s more likely to be receptive on top of her job being to be nice to customers), etc. etc. and a month from now you’re walking in there like Quasimodo the celebrity.

But to help, we need to see what you’re doing when you’re out there so we can dissect it and give you tips and ideas to try out and help refine shit so you start getting the results you’re looking for. Ya hit the gym and buy some nice clothes so you feel good too, but focus on game and understand that down the road you’re going to need to detach from those crutches.

Temporary crutches are okay if you’re fully aware that they ARE simply crutches…my issue with stuff like “suit = lingerie” or the lift/money culture of TRP is it unintentionally misleads guys (who don’t have the field experience to know better) into not realizing that those things are a crutch and that they’ll have to detach themselves from it down the road and the longer they wait to detach the harder it’ll be TO detach.

“It doesn’t mean he’s going to neglect game if it’s just a route to building the confidence to try.”

And I’m cool with that. But I think that needs to be stated in these conversations so guys understand going in exactly what they’re taking on and the drawbacks to it, which is what I’m trying to do here, instead of just brushing it aside and sarcastically ridiculing the notion that maybe not all girls are attracted to suits and maybe there are other aspects to game that a guy should learn and understand.

All my posts stemmed from the over the top absolutes Rollo and this Tanner guy were dropping. I think they’re oversimplifying shit in a way that 1) isn’t universally applicable and 2) doesn’t warn guys of the downsides of what they’re getting into and 3) reinforces an absolute that will be very difficult to dismantle later when they need to BECAUSE it was presented to them as an absolute.

@Badpainter
“I’ve never actually seen the “6’4″ chisled-jaw doctor with a 6-pack”, or any variation there of, where he was the coolest guy at the party, and all the girls liked him.”

The way a lot of TRP/Manosphere guys talk those guys are EVERYWHERE, dozens of them at every party, walking around the streets 24/7, lurking behind every bush, in every bar, and they’re the only ones who get laid by hot girls. It’s ridiculous. It doesn’t hold up in-field. A buddy of mine recently went to Vegas and he was like “it was weird, I was expecting to see all these money guys there like in the movies…all these dudes suited up with sick game, macking girls and just being way cooler than anyone from my city. But like, I didn’t see ANY…maybe one two the entire weekend. It was a huge reality shaker for me, I just assumed other guys were all cooler than us. I saw good-looking guys and rich guys but they were all reactive and jumpy and chasing girls needy as fuck.”

@Jeremy
“I’ve discussed preference with women who were being open and honest with me (because I was no threat) and without fail they say that sometimes the appearance of the dude is just a flat turn-off and there’s little he can do about it. Women simply have narrow, individualized standards that they use to exclude some men.”

Yes, that DOES happen. What I’m saying is that 1) they aren’t universally ruling men out with the same standard across the board (ie – not wearing a suit = not wearing lingerie) and 2) a LOT of those women, if they actually met a dude with those particular looks who had game and had a chance to run it on them, would be the same girls who tell me “it’s so weird, you’re not normally my type at ALL” and show me pics of their exes who are way better/different looking than me. That’s a whole ‘nother topic in itself tho lol

Even Patrice, in one of those clips he likes to test girls with “have you ever been with a black man?” and when he gets a chick who says she’s not into black guys he doesn’t give up he just keeps charming her because he knows he’ll be the exception to her rules/tastes if he can game her. He knows that because he’s done it, just like lots of us have.

@Sun Wukong
“I like to think that I could beat out Patrice now, but then I’d also like to think I could beat out most (if not all) corpses.”

lol I only discovered his stuff after his death but MAN does he know his shit. Dude is a masterclass in the female mind and frame etc

@keyser
“Do you really think that vast majority of women who go to male strip clubs are HB 9 or 10 or 8s ?”

No, but I’m not the one who brought up male strip clubs lol If there’s a group of 8/9/10s in a male stripclub, they’re not there being sleazy creepers like I don’t know a 2/10 creepy old fat cougar might, they’re there having a laugh.

@Forge the Sky
“The question is, do looks/style matter at all? I would contend that they do.”

Right, like I say a guy SHOULD handle that stuff, but all he needs to handle is the bare minimum of it and he should understand that building up his confidence around that shit is very likely to fuck him over down the road. And he should be focusing on game and making those SECONDARY. I have a buddy who works out on Fri/Sat so he only goes to the bar during the week and that’s his like one outing. I told him seriously man if you want to get this shit handled, change your gym days to during the week and head out on Fri/Sat nights where you can get a ton of experience fast. That guy will NOT improve very fast or get the results he wants but he thinks that lifting is as good as learning game and I don’t support that notion because it leads to shit like that.

“YaReally is pointing out that, with the right game, pretty much any sort of looks cease to make a difference. He backs it up well, so even though it’s counter-intuitive I’m prepared to believe him.”

This. I know that no one is going to ACTUALLY be like “ya, YaReally is totally right” because I would bet that nobody here is like, heading out to a <25yo club this weekend dressed like shit and approaching any 8+s they see and trying to take down mixed sets and shit lol Like a lot of game stuff you have to experience shit first-hand before you believe it because most of game runs counter-intuitive. A guy will convince himself he doesn't need a prenup because sure all his friends got burned and sure all the stats say other guys get burned, but HIS unicorn is SPECIAL…till he gets burned and THEN he finally (hopefully) comes around. This is why I stress go out go out go out, the field reveals all.

I'm not making this shit up out of like, "hmm I think theoretically this is what would happen". That's not how pickup works, we don't start with a theory and try to find evidence to confirm it, we start with "ok that worked…now how can we duplicate it and why do certain tweaks to that backwards engineering produce this result while other tweaks produce a different result".

"So any sort of looks can be worked with and you should never give up on anything due to them"

I like Tyler's rule: "do what you can with them, then let it go, and don't make excuses to avoid hitting the field like "oh if I get just a little bit more jacked" or "oh as soon as I get a better shirt" or "oh once I get a nicer car THEN I'll go out and approach those girls"

"If you have literally no game, though, or if you don’t take any sort of action, no degree of looks/style will do you any good."

This is my issue with "suit = lingerie" and "pick two". It implies to newbies that "oh okay, that game stuff is important if I can only have ONE attribute, but I can have any TWO, so I'll pick the easy ones I can fix quickly instead and just keep maxing those out until they work since if I saw a girl in lingerie I would want to fuck her she wouldn't really need to go through years of learning game" That's all.

@Rollo
"Hmm,…then by that logic I suppose I should expect my 2016 calendar of Seth Rogan and Jonah Hill lookalikes (shirtless and in their tighty-whiteys) to outsell the ‘Hawt Firemen’ calendars with the ladies this year."

Totally. I mean, by that logic I suppose we can expect that only 6'+ white male doctors can get laid since that's what every girl on POF says she's looking for and since she skips past the profile pics of anyone who isn't white or is under 6 feet tall or doesn't have a doctor job none of those guys can have sex. If you want to make silly analogies, I'm all for them, but it's just fluff.

"I only think I disagree with you on certain aspects by order of degrees on this YaReally, and you know I endorse you, but I’ve also promoted shows like Thunder from Down Under for years now too."

And is your business model based on how many girls the guys fuck and how many girls come back and chase those guys with no ASD etc to fuck them as regular fuckbuddies after they leave the venue after that night of high-energy buying-temperature spiking drunken party energy?

Or is it based on how much those guys can spike the girls' buying temperature in a venue where those guys are the only focus for the women's attention and the women are, inherently, not there to fuck those guys?

You're simplifying game down to a ridiculous level…"a girl looks at a guy, so that means he can fuck her no matter what happens". Why do marriages fall apart when the girl was initially attracted to her guy? 'cause he loses value or she sees other guys with higher value and Hypergamy shuts her man down and makes her gun for the higher-value guy. High-value comes from DHV'ing. Game has VASTLY more tools for DHV'ing than relying on looks. This is all consistent accepted principles.

"Trust me, the women (and they’re a broad demographic) got to these shows to get turned on. Are they fucking the strippers after the show? Obviously most aren’t, but once the show lets out at 11 it’s game-on for these girls at the venues bars."

And do they all go home with guys in suits?

"And the smart guys with a similar look will be fucking them. It’s like getting sharks to feed with blood in the water."

And do any guys actually step in when one of those guys is talking to one of these girls and try to take her off him, or do guys sit back like "ah he's gonna get her for sure"? Be honest now. On top of that there's ratios to consider. A venue with 100 horny girls and 30 guys, the guys aren't going to compete with eachother, why would they? Try removing 95 of those girls from the venue so it's 30 of those good-looking jacked dudes and 5 girls and see what attributes win out when guys have to actually compete. I mean if they're all jacked like that then the girls shouldn't be choosing one guy over the other right? Every girl should be fucking 6 guys. But that doesn't happen…hmmm, what could make the difference between which one gets the girl and which doesn't….? (spoiler alert: it's about 0.00001%)


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 17th, 2015 at 6:41 pm
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@Forge the Sky
“He’s not really saying that looks don’t matter at all (though he likely thinks they matter less than most of the rest of us – I only very slightly would change the balance myself).”

I would say this is a decent summary of my position. External attributes are given FAR too much weight in the Manosphere/TRP. I attribute that to most of the Manosphere/TRP members being guys who are Naturals who have a hard time relating to value-based discussions because most of their reference experience has involved having a lot of external value (like playing in a rockband and working as a promoter and shit, hi Rollo!) or who simply don’t go out (whether it’s because they’re older guys with less energy/time to go out and sarge compared to the young’uns that made up the original PUA community, or whether they’re busy doing the “after I read a few more articles THEN I’ll be ready to hit the field” stuff where they read too much and don’t go out enough), or who go out but don’t push their comfort zones (so they go to the same bars wearing the same thing trying the same tactics over and over…they aren’t out there telling girls they work at Taco Bell, they aren’t out there wearing low-value clothes on purpose to experiment, they aren’t out there approaching mixed sets or approaching girls above their level of entitlement, they aren’t PUSHING sets with those girls, they’re taking numbers instead of going for the lay, they’re sticking to crowds of people who look similar to them instead of jumping into new scary situations, they’re relying on wingmen instead of learning to game solo, they go to bars with people they’re own age (anyone here 30+ and been in a nightclub? Anyone here read that and instinctively want to write “ugh what kind of loser 30+yo would be in a kiddie nightclub that guy probably looks LAME because of your social conditioning?)…

They’re basically trying to AVOID getting blown out instead of enjoying it and trying to get blown out on purpose for laughs, they’re out there just trying to survive the night and protect their self-worth and keep their ego intact).

On the flip side you have the group I come from, where we were going out and still go out and try fucking ANYTHING just to see what happens and collect data points. Part of why RSDJulien got in trouble was that he was pushing insane boundaries in-field doing shit that NOBODY would try and it was WORKING and he kept going with it and they all started trying it and encouraging guys to try it so we could all see exactly why it works or doesn’t work. That’s PUA, we field test shit to figure it out instead of theorizing. And while ya that was a huge shit-storm, at the end of it RSDJulien brought forward some fucking genius new tweaks to old concepts that make a huge difference (see my archive for the Julien PIMP videos I link). We have guys who go out and try opening sets and laying girls without saying a word just to see how important eye-contact is. We have guys going out wearing ridiculous shit or suiting up or peacocking or dressing normal etc just to see what happens. We are testing shit constantly.

Up until this last year (focusing on career right now) I was going out 2-4 nights a week every week rain or shine, to all sorts of venues with all sorts of people. I was going out SICK with colds (blowing Dristan up my nose before leaving for the bar) just to see how gaming while drowsy/sick would go (and as most guys who try this out have found out, you get retardedly good reactions because you’re so sick that you’re way less reactive and hold deeper eye-contact because you’re too tired and in pain to look around the room and shift your focus all over the place lol which gives you data points for gaming when you’re not sick like “hmm okay, it’s important to be unreactive” etc).

“He’s saying that the boost you can get from looks is actually a bad thing to have because strength there fosters weakness elsewhere.”

I wouldn’t make it a total absolute but I would say I have VERY RARELY met someone who has money, looks, AND game. Most guys only HAVE two of those. And most guys pick “money and looks” because those are the easiest things to do because they don’t involve going out and getting your ego blown out by girls that could’ve had your offspring which fucks with your soul more than dropping a weight or making a few bucks less than you expected lol

Also part of why I’m writing 50 posts today on it is because I KNOW this is a very nuanced subject with a lot of grey areas that need a lot of explanation if you haven’t gone out and confronted this shit head-on yourself, for it to not sound like I’m saying the earth is flat. All I’m doing is presenting consistent explanations and a shitload of evidence and examples counter-points that we’ve seen in-field. It’s up to the reader to decide if they want to brush this shit off or take a second look and really listen to what I’m saying and go out and experiment themselves.

“On the face of it, it’s a kinda strange-sounding argument – like saying if you’re a baker and you aren’t growing your own wheat and making your own flour you’re not truly becoming as full a baker as you should be.”

I would say it’s closer to saying “if you’re a baker and you spend half your work day focusing on building a really nice sign for your bakery, that sign might draw you in a few more customers here and there but you should really be focusing on baking better bread. ’cause your store WILL deteriorate with time (mother nature will rot it away) and if your business was based on drawing customers in with your sign instead of having fucking AMAZING bread, you are going to end up selling it to ugly fat chicks instead of hotties beacuse you won’t have learned to make the bread that draws in the hotties when your sign is all fucked up.”

“YaReally is arguing (if I’m reading right) that having tight game gives you something in the long term that you can’t compensate with using other things that can attract women at some level. They get used to a certain level of wealth. They get used to the same damn 6-pack every day. But game stays interesting to them. And it’s harder to lose than your looks and/or money. And it’s better at creating genuine desire towards you specifically rather than generic desire for ‘military dude, I guess you’ll do’ or ‘lots of money dude.’”

This. You got it.

A girl will NOT get bored of a Patrice O’Neal. He will keep her on her toes CONSTANTLY (he had an LTR chick for 10 years that he had 3somes with and shit) because his core is rock solid. A girl WILL get bored of your 6-pack and your money, chicks married to rich good-looking dudes bail ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Chicks bail on AAA celebrities! BEN AFFLECK, fucking BATMAN, in better shape and richer than any of us will probably ever be, got dumped by an OLD WOMAN lol Like, this is basic normalization shit, classic psychology no one would argue with: we take shit for granted when it’s around us all the time. But GAME is a flowing state that the girl can’t predict and it can be reactive AND force her to react, no girl is married to an alpha who sends her on emotional rollercoasters and is like “boy I’m so bored in this relationship, I think I’ll bail”.

And if you end up like one of these poor guys who got ass-raped in a divorce, lost his two kids, lost half his assets, he’s like 40+ now and alone…how is that guy going to get a new high-quality <25yo when all his reference experience is from when he was in his prime with a 6-pack rich as fuck no wrinkles on his face etc? That guy has a ROUGH TIME ahead of him. I get that a lot of Naturals can't relate to that because they've fostered internal core confidence for most of their lives so they know that even if they lost everything and became ugly they would still be awesome and be able to get women…but most guys learning game aren't coming from that frame, they're coming from a frame where in their minds they have nothing to base their self worth on. Feed them some external attributes to base it on and that's great for the short-term, but long term their self-worth is very fragile.

"it’s possible to be dynamic with your appearance and the way you use your resources; you can make your physical attractiveness stand out more by changing your style over time, and you can keep your money interesting by doing new things with it."

Agreed. But that really only helps with girls you're seeing for a long period of time. With new girls they don't know what your style last month was or that you went mountain climbing last year. They don't know you're mixing it up. But with game, when they poke you, they get sent on a rollercoaster ride.

"And it’s also possible to let your ‘game’ get stale if you’re always using it in the same ways – if she can predict what sorts of gambits you’re going to play."

Even then it still works lol You can literally tell a girl exactly what you're doing and it'll still work. That's why these stupid girls read The Game and then go "that stuff would NEVER work on me, I know all your tricks, I'll spot your negs!!" and then you neg them and they jizz themselves over you and they don't even register that they're falling for exactly what they thought they wouldn't fall for. This shit is subcommunication.

But your game can get stale if you stop going out and stop interacting with other girls and just hole up in an LTR like a fucking mushroom lol That's why ideally guys need to learn to develop social circles and healthy "going out regularly" habits and build mastermind groups of likeminded guys etc so they can keep their game up and keep their chick's on the rollercoaster. Bob with no friends and who let his social skills and confidence go (since he's all wrinkly and gained a little LTR chub since he settled down 5 years ago and pulled a disc in his back so it's hard for him to work out) isn't going out to a nightclub full of 21yos when his chick is acting up. But Joe who kept his social circles up and (like in Rollo's case) maybe has a job where he's around hot girls etc, has a lifestyle where if his wife acts up he can remove himself in a way where she worries she could lose him (hi dread game!) and because he didn't base his confidence on his looks he feels comfortable flirting with the cute waitress in front of him even though pulling that disc in his back means he's gained a few pounds and he's got some wrinkles and grey hair these days.

"Of course, being predictable is anti-game, so the last point could be defeated by a sorta circular-but-still-makes-sense argument."

lol I getcha. Thanks for summarizing my points. I ramble this stuff steam of consciousness style so I know parts of it can get jumbled.


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 17th, 2015 at 6:41 pm
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@Forge the Sky
“He’s not really saying that looks don’t matter at all (though he likely thinks they matter less than most of the rest of us – I only very slightly would change the balance myself).”

I would say this is a decent summary of my position. External attributes are given FAR too much weight in the Manosphere/TRP. I attribute that to most of the Manosphere/TRP members being guys who are Naturals who have a hard time relating to value-based discussions because most of their reference experience has involved having a lot of external value (like playing in a rockband and working as a promoter and shit, hi Rollo!) or who simply don’t go out (whether it’s because they’re older guys with less energy/time to go out and sarge compared to the young’uns that made up the original PUA community, or whether they’re busy doing the “after I read a few more articles THEN I’ll be ready to hit the field” stuff where they read too much and don’t go out enough), or who go out but don’t push their comfort zones (so they go to the same bars wearing the same thing trying the same tactics over and over…they aren’t out there telling girls they work at Taco Bell, they aren’t out there wearing low-value clothes on purpose to experiment, they aren’t out there approaching mixed sets or approaching girls above their level of entitlement, they aren’t PUSHING sets with those girls, they’re taking numbers instead of going for the lay, they’re sticking to crowds of people who look similar to them instead of jumping into new scary situations, they’re relying on wingmen instead of learning to game solo, they go to bars with people they’re own age (anyone here 30+ and been in a nightclub? Anyone here read that and instinctively want to write “ugh what kind of loser 30+yo would be in a kiddie nightclub that guy probably looks LAME because of your social conditioning?)…

They’re basically trying to AVOID getting blown out instead of enjoying it and trying to get blown out on purpose for laughs, they’re out there just trying to survive the night and protect their self-worth and keep their ego intact).

On the flip side you have the group I come from, where we were going out and still go out and try fucking ANYTHING just to see what happens and collect data points. Part of why RSDJulien got in trouble was that he was pushing insane boundaries in-field doing shit that NOBODY would try and it was WORKING and he kept going with it and they all started trying it and encouraging guys to try it so we could all see exactly why it works or doesn’t work. That’s PUA, we field test shit to figure it out instead of theorizing. And while ya that was a huge shit-storm, at the end of it RSDJulien brought forward some fucking genius new tweaks to old concepts that make a huge difference (see my archive for the Julien PIMP videos I link). We have guys who go out and try opening sets and laying girls without saying a word just to see how important eye-contact is. We have guys going out wearing ridiculous shit or suiting up or peacocking or dressing normal etc just to see what happens. We are testing shit constantly.

Up until this last year (focusing on career right now) I was going out 2-4 nights a week every week rain or shine, to all sorts of venues with all sorts of people. I was going out SICK with colds (blowing Dristan up my nose before leaving for the bar) just to see how gaming while drowsy/sick would go (and as most guys who try this out have found out, you get retardedly good reactions because you’re so sick that you’re way less reactive and hold deeper eye-contact because you’re too tired and in pain to look around the room and shift your focus all over the place lol which gives you data points for gaming when you’re not sick like “hmm okay, it’s important to be unreactive” etc).

“He’s saying that the boost you can get from looks is actually a bad thing to have because strength there fosters weakness elsewhere.”

I wouldn’t make it a total absolute but I would say I have VERY RARELY met someone who has money, looks, AND game. Most guys only HAVE two of those. And most guys pick “money and looks” because those are the easiest things to do because they don’t involve going out and getting your ego blown out by girls that could’ve had your offspring which fucks with your soul more than dropping a weight or making a few bucks less than you expected lol

Also part of why I’m writing 50 posts today on it is because I KNOW this is a very nuanced subject with a lot of grey areas that need a lot of explanation if you haven’t gone out and confronted this shit head-on yourself, for it to not sound like I’m saying the earth is flat. All I’m doing is presenting consistent explanations and a shitload of evidence and examples counter-points that we’ve seen in-field. It’s up to the reader to decide if they want to brush this shit off or take a second look and really listen to what I’m saying and go out and experiment themselves.

“On the face of it, it’s a kinda strange-sounding argument – like saying if you’re a baker and you aren’t growing your own wheat and making your own flour you’re not truly becoming as full a baker as you should be.”

I would say it’s closer to saying “if you’re a baker and you spend half your work day focusing on building a really nice sign for your bakery, that sign might draw you in a few more customers here and there but you should really be focusing on baking better bread. ’cause your store WILL deteriorate with time (mother nature will rot it away) and if your business was based on drawing customers in with your sign instead of having fucking AMAZING bread, you are going to end up selling it to ugly fat chicks instead of hotties beacuse you won’t have learned to make the bread that draws in the hotties when your sign is all fucked up.”

“YaReally is arguing (if I’m reading right) that having tight game gives you something in the long term that you can’t compensate with using other things that can attract women at some level. They get used to a certain level of wealth. They get used to the same damn 6-pack every day. But game stays interesting to them. And it’s harder to lose than your looks and/or money. And it’s better at creating genuine desire towards you specifically rather than generic desire for ‘military dude, I guess you’ll do’ or ‘lots of money dude.’”

This. You got it.

A girl will NOT get bored of a Patrice O’Neal. He will keep her on her toes CONSTANTLY (he had an LTR chick for 10 years that he had 3somes with and shit) because his core is rock solid. A girl WILL get bored of your 6-pack and your money, chicks married to rich good-looking dudes bail ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Chicks bail on AAA celebrities! BEN AFFLECK, fucking BATMAN, in better shape and richer than any of us will probably ever be, got dumped by an OLD WOMAN lol Like, this is basic normalization shit, classic psychology no one would argue with: we take shit for granted when it’s around us all the time. But GAME is a flowing state that the girl can’t predict and it can be reactive AND force her to react, no girl is married to an alpha who sends her on emotional rollercoasters and is like “boy I’m so bored in this relationship, I think I’ll bail”.

And if you end up like one of these poor guys who got ass-raped in a divorce, lost his two kids, lost half his assets, he’s like 40+ now and alone…how is that guy going to get a new high-quality <25yo when all his reference experience is from when he was in his prime with a 6-pack rich as fuck no wrinkles on his face etc? That guy has a ROUGH TIME ahead of him. I get that a lot of Naturals can't relate to that because they've fostered internal core confidence for most of their lives so they know that even if they lost everything and became ugly they would still be awesome and be able to get women…but most guys learning game aren't coming from that frame, they're coming from a frame where in their minds they have nothing to base their self worth on. Feed them some external attributes to base it on and that's great for the short-term, but long term their self-worth is very fragile.

"it’s possible to be dynamic with your appearance and the way you use your resources; you can make your physical attractiveness stand out more by changing your style over time, and you can keep your money interesting by doing new things with it."

Agreed. But that really only helps with girls you're seeing for a long period of time. With new girls they don't know what your style last month was or that you went mountain climbing last year. They don't know you're mixing it up. But with game, when they poke you, they get sent on a rollercoaster ride.

"And it’s also possible to let your ‘game’ get stale if you’re always using it in the same ways – if she can predict what sorts of gambits you’re going to play."

Even then it still works lol You can literally tell a girl exactly what you're doing and it'll still work. That's why these stupid girls read The Game and then go "that stuff would NEVER work on me, I know all your tricks, I'll spot your negs!!" and then you neg them and they jizz themselves over you and they don't even register that they're falling for exactly what they thought they wouldn't fall for. This shit is subcommunication.

But your game can get stale if you stop going out and stop interacting with other girls and just hole up in an LTR like a fucking mushroom lol That's why ideally guys need to learn to develop social circles and healthy "going out regularly" habits and build mastermind groups of likeminded guys etc so they can keep their game up and keep their chick's on the rollercoaster. Bob with no friends and who let his social skills and confidence go (since he's all wrinkly and gained a little LTR chub since he settled down 5 years ago and pulled a disc in his back so it's hard for him to work out) isn't going out to a nightclub full of 21yos when his chick is acting up. But Joe who kept his social circles up and (like in Rollo's case) maybe has a job where he's around hot girls etc, has a lifestyle where if his wife acts up he can remove himself in a way where she worries she could lose him (hi dread game!) and because he didn't base his confidence on his looks he feels comfortable flirting with the cute waitress in front of him even though pulling that disc in his back means he's gained a few pounds and he's got some wrinkles and grey hair these days.

"Of course, being predictable is anti-game, so the last point could be defeated by a sorta circular-but-still-makes-sense argument."

lol I getcha. Thanks for summarizing my points. I ramble this stuff steam of consciousness style so I know parts of it can get jumbled.


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@Rollo
I missed the part where a guy with game came up and started talking to the girl and trying to mack her before she got in the car, could you point out the timestamp for that? …’cause I’m pretty sure I said a number of times that a guy with external attributes will do just fine as long as no one interferes and he has a full green light to the bedroom.

Do you think the girls in this video are showing legit attraction to him, or are they showing attraction to “being able to take a cool selfie in this car with a harmless looking guy”?

You presented an absolute statement. I’ve presented a shitload of evidence that your statement is inaccurate. You can post a ton of evidence that your statement isn’t entirely inaccurate but the fact that my evidence EXISTS says that your absolute statement is inaccurate.

If I say the sky is blue and post 10000 pics of it being blue, but you post a handful of pics of it being orange, “the sky is blue” is a statement that doesn’t hold up. It doesn’t matter if I post another 10000 pics of it being blue.


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@Rollo
I missed the part where a guy with game came up and started talking to the girl and trying to mack her before she got in the car, could you point out the timestamp for that? …’cause I’m pretty sure I said a number of times that a guy with external attributes will do just fine as long as no one interferes and he has a full green light to the bedroom.

Do you think the girls in this video are showing legit attraction to him, or are they showing attraction to “being able to take a cool selfie in this car with a harmless looking guy”?

You presented an absolute statement. I’ve presented a shitload of evidence that your statement is inaccurate. You can post a ton of evidence that your statement isn’t entirely inaccurate but the fact that my evidence EXISTS says that your absolute statement is inaccurate.

If I say the sky is blue and post 10000 pics of it being blue, but you post a handful of pics of it being orange, “the sky is blue” is a statement that doesn’t hold up. It doesn’t matter if I post another 10000 pics of it being blue.


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“I still think that it’s contextual and subject to the particular woman.”

I agree, that’s my point. The statement you made was an absolute, even in your rephrasing of it you imply that an attractive man is more attractive in a suit than not and I disagree with that.

James Dean in a dirty sweaty t-shirt smoking a cigarette is going to get snubbed by girls when James Dean in a suit is around? Girls didn’t want to fuck John Mclaine in Die Hard running around in his grubby wifebeater, they fantasized about Bruce Willis on the red carpet in his suit instead? The Walking Dead cast is all walking around in suits because girls will find them more attractive than wearing grubby clothes? Women want to be fucked in a 5-star hotel with satin sheets and roses around and don’t fantasize about getting fucked by some indie rocker in his tour bus?

It is 100% contextual and subject to the particular woman, so neither statement holds up which is the case I’m presenting. Maybe you meant “certain types of women in certain situations find a suit to be higher value” and if that’s what you meant then I agree, but that wasn’t in your actual wording as far as I can see.

“Women simply don’t fantasize about”

Irrelevant. Do guys only get hard for the girls they fantasize about? Do women only get wet for the men they fantasize about? No, it’s not important data. I can pretty much guarantee half the girls I’ve banged have NEVER fantasized about my hairy belly dripping sweat on them as I pound away lol…and yet they’ll fuck me, and come back to me. Their fantasies are irrelevant. They’re told by the media that “Don Draper is alpha” and they show him doing alpha stuff…they’re not attracted to Don Draper, if Don Draper was on TV being a whiny bitch in his suit they wouldn’t be attracted to him, but they show him being an alpha boss. It’s the alpha shit that the girls are attracted to. Why don’t they all want to fuck his wussy subordinate suit-chodes as much as him? Beacuse it’s his subcommunications that make him attractive, not the suit.

“If you’re on the beach, at a pool party, etc. and the guy next to you has comparable or marginally worse Game than you, but he looks like Mathew McConaughey and you look like Jonah Hill it’s far more likely that a woman will be too distracted by her physical arousal towards him than to pay attention to you or your approach.”

Logically this makes sense. In-field this doesn’t hold up IF Jonah Hill actually takes action. Paying attention to you isn’t a choice lol You MAKE her pay attention to you. With the strong frame you developed from not having the crutch of looks to rely on.

“You have to see that simplicity and I think many men’s experiences with listening to what women say about men in their peer group would too.”

When did we start listening to women instead of looking at women’s actions? Those same men’s experiences with listening to what women say about men in their peer group would have them believe that they should be a gentleman who buys them romantic flowers on a first date and pay for dinner and do housework for them. When did you start putting any kind of stock/relevance in what women say they’re attracted to?

“I don’t believe it’s a 0.000001% margin within Game.”

When’s the last time you competed with your male strippers for a hot young chick? Like that’s not a diss, that’s saying going head to head with other better looking objectively higher-value dudes for girls is what shoves these dynamics in your face. It doesn’t make sense that it would come down to such a little thing, but consistently that’s how it plays out in-field. I shouldn’t be able to take girls off better looking better external guys, but I can. And if I can then they shouldn’t be able to take them off me, but they can. It consistently comes down to who’s slightly more “on” in that interaction in that moment, the moment that the girl lives in. If I take the girl off another guy and then I start acting chode, she’ll go back to him. How do I know this? Because we test this stuff for FUN.

“As I asked before, what is that margin?”

Really it’s binary, but it’s easier to visualize with a teeny tiny percent. In an interaction one person is always reacting to the other person. There is no scenario where one guy reacting to another guy who’s indifferent to him, comes off as the higher value guy to girls. It doesn’t matter if he’s reacting like crazy, or if he’s reacting just the tiniest bit, girls pick up on that little sliver of who’s reacting more/less. That’s why I say looks guys will do fine as long as nobody steps up.

“What is the threshold needed for Game to offset a man’s physical deficits or vice versa?”

It’s a lot lower than people think. Pickup isn’t so much about convincing the girl TO bang you, it’s about convincing her there’s no reason NOT to bang you. That’s why those guys in those homeless videos can get away with telling the girls they’re homeless and shit, because they’re not listing attributes to convince the girls TO get with them, they’re just making sure not to trigger any reason NOT to get with them. They know they can frame control away most of the homeless shit and the clothes etc and DHV enough value for the girl to be Attracted enough to not care, because that stuff isn’t important to the girl.

“who have just as many hard facts to the contrary who present some pretty compelling evidence that women are far more forgiving of a man’s social awkwardness and lack of Game if he embodies a masculine physical ideal.”

Again as long as that guy has a green light to the finish line, he’ll do just fine. I don’t know how many times I can re-state this. The question then becomes: are extremely hot girls often wandering around alone, purposely approaching men and asking to get laid? Or are they generally in groups (often mixed, with high-value men) and do they test to see if the guy is man enough to step up and approach and game her properly so that she knows he’s a legit alpha beyond his looks and she can trust him to not be just a pretty face? I mean, I assume we’re in agreement that a very hot high-value girl will shit-test a man to make sure he’s an alpha so she can trust him to lead the ship, right? You’re suggesting that if he’s as good looking as all the other guys in her social circle because hot girls hang around hot guys, that she’ll give him a free pass to fuck that up instead of disqualifying him.

Now the 6s and 7s are just happy to have a hot guy, a 5 will go right up to a hot guy and aggressively try to fuck him. But do guys get in the game to bang out 6s they’re barely attracted to, or do they get in the game to bang hot girls they dream about banging? Do we want guys to bang average girls or do we want them to be able to get the hot ones?

“Women will gladly fuck a guy with preference if he’s physically ‘hawt’ and rationalize his social ineptitudes away as a cute quirkiness. Many men have seen exactly this happen; looks forgive a multitude of Game sins.”

Yes. IF NOBODY INTERRUPTS AND RUNS PROPER ATTRACTION GAME ON HER. lol I’ll just keep saying it till people listen.

“So what’s the threshold? It’s not 0.0001%.”

The 0.0001% is the threshold for two guys competing for a girl, not for a solo guy just standing around with a full green light no obstacles to the bedroom. That guy can fuck up more, sure, but again how many 9s and 10s are standing around alone and actively making moves on the guy leading the interaction to sex (since he has weak game) and don’t care about him having alpha qualities? Is he going to get another call if his hands are shaking nervously trying to take off her bra? What’s your view of the threshold where she’s initially attracted to the guy for his looks then turned off by him? Because there are a shitload of guys out there who have a girl attracted and say or do ONE wrong thing that hits just the wrong nerve and bam, they are dead to the girl. I’m sure guys have described experiences like that to you.

From the way you’re describing it it’s like as long as a guy is good looking the girl won’t care if he’s a huge chode, she’ll want to fuck his 6-pack and chase him around for it, even though she’s surrounded by guys like that. Observing Death Row at last call in any nightclub on any night out shows a bunch of good looking dudes who are going home dick in hand.

“The Chinese guy in the Lamborghini is an example of an extreme (affluence) grossly offsetting his other deficits (Game and looks probably).”

Again, do you think those girls were attracted to him, or were they attracted to the opportunity to take selfies in a sweet car to impress their Insagram audience? If he showed up in his shitty car afterward, would they go “I don’t care baby, I was so into YOU” or would they snub him because they were never actually attracted to him?

“The main reason ugly guys can hook up in Southeast Asian countries is because of the provisioning potential they represent to the local women.”

tbh I don’t know why you brought out a random SEA video lol You could have just used the multitude of English ones like Vitaly etc that shit was random lol And again, do we want guys to get laid because the girl wants their bank? Will those girls stick around if the bank dwindles down or if they get used to their standard of living and keep wanting more and hit the guy’s limit? Will those girls stick around if a guy with MORE money comes along? Are those girls attracted to the guy or his money? What type of attraction do you want guys to learn to create with women? ’cause I’d prefer they learn how to get girls to fuck them for THEM.

“That guy is not hawt, or even particularly rich, but if that woman is necessitous enough that guy’s SMV shoots through the roof.”

Do you think those girls won’t use his money but cheat on him on the side? And my point remains though, 5 pics of an orange sky mean “the sky is blue” is inaccurate which was all I was saying from the start.

“If a woman’s SMV and self-image is such that she doesn’t believe she can get with a Channing Tatum because she knows he’s unattainable her genuine feral desire for him doesn’t change when she goes home with you because you had good Game with her.”

Does Hypergamy make her attracted to the highest value man in the world, OR the highest value man she can reasonably expect to obtain?

Her attraction for him is irrelevant. It will shift to you if you game her properly. Tyler literally wrote about this way back in the early 2000s, you let another guy pump a girl’s buying temperature then just blow him out and transfer it to yourself. Unless your view is that being a male celebrity automatically makes you immune to AMOG’ing and hot guys never qualify themselves, in which case I’d say poke that bear more and you’ll find out that they do it all the time, especially when they’re not on-guard for it.

Now am I saying a guy with game is always going to blow Channing Tatum out? No. But how often is Channing Tatum in the bar beside most guys? Fucking never lol Like ya, it’s theoretically possible some McConaahhuhaey rich with a 6-pack and sick game comes flying out of nowhere and macks your girl but that’s simply not the reality like 90% of dudes who aren’t gaming in Hollywood and Vegas live in. They’re dealing with some good-looking rich dudes who have minimal game.

“And just to clear the air, I’m not baiting you or flaming you brother. You know I agree with 98% of your assessments.”

I’m only using snark when I see snark first lol I’m more than happy to discuss what I’m saying because anything I’m saying that doesn’t hold up in-field SHOULD be questioned and the entire backbone OF the Red Pill is discussion and experimentation and compiling data and examples and evidence to fine-tune things. The reason men get shit done is because we can disagree and discuss.

“I’m only digging in here because I know another Siirtyrion will eventually comment here again and say it’s all physical and Game is snake oil which you know I don’t believe.”

No idea who he is but that’s the exact mentality that “suits = lingerie” and “pick two” foster unfortunately. That’s why the TRP forums are FULL of guys focused on everything BUT actually talking to and fucking girls. I see all these guys bragging about going Monk Mode and it’s like bro were you even getting laid?? Do you even have that skillset down TO go into Monk Mode from?? You’re just putting a “cool name” on your fear of risking your ego out in-field, get the fuck out there and approach. When you’re banging the 8s that YOU CHOOSE consistently you can go Monk Mode lol

But these guys don’t read the old literature, or they read simplified versions of it or read way too much misguided shit since there’s so much out there now, they go out and half-assed apply it while getting wasted for a few months, don’t get the results they expected from the marketing hype, have no idea what the original Mystery Method shit taught to be able to weed out where they’re fucking up, and go “fuck it this game shit is a SHAM!!!” and then 4 guys who know them use him as their “I knew this guy who did that PUA shit and it totally fucked him up, just lift and make money bro the bitches will come knocking”

It’s funny because when The Game came out we were all terrified that “oh no now EVERY guy is going to learn this stuff and girls are all going to learn about it and everyone’s going to spot it in field and guys are all going to become gods”. Turns out people just glanced at it at best, wrote it off because of the fuzzy hat and not wanting to go out and try it or put the effort in, and now you can run straight-up classic Mystery Method and no one can tell and guys have no idea what you’re doing. Worked out great for a certain segment of us oldschool guys but I feel bad for the newbies who are reading TRP and skipping Mystery Method because they think it’s just some fuzzy hat scam. They’re missing a serious part of their education that could have saved them a ton of confusion and frustration when they’re out there banging their heads against the wall wondering why their looks aren’t getting them pussy falling from the sky.

And ya the reason these are so long is because I KNOW there are a bunch of dipshits lurking just DYING to start spouting that kind of stuff and fuck the whole discussion up with sidetracking and tangents so I know I have to be retardedly over-explanatory to not give them vague statements as ammo to feed off so everything gets 10 examples and re-explanations because this is, for some reason, such a touchy-ass subject (’cause GOD it would be nice to believe that all your failure in life with women is because you didn’t look the right way or get born into the right kind of money and none of it is actually your fault…instead of being because you just didn’t go up and say “hi” to that girl you were into because you were chickenshit lol)

@kfg
“” . . . it’s contextual and subject to the particular woman. ”

There ya go.”

lol I’m wondering if maybe that was meant to be in the original quote and we all just have disconnected wires or what, but that was basically my problem with both versions of the original statement.

@Rollo
“Mystery has gone into great detail about the dynamic of peacocking and his appearance and style were obviously an important part of his Game, at least for some part of it. Even his now toned down look still evokes a message about him.”

Mystery was also going for peacocked strippers in Hollywood and Vegas and shit remember. All he ever recommended for “normal” guys going for “normal” girls is “wear one unique item that stands out”.

“How does that fit into what you’ve been saying here today?”

His peacocking wasn’t attractive because girls like fuzzy hats. His peacocking (and he explains this) tells the girl that he can handle social pressure. It’s not the hat itself that’s attractive, it’s that the hat subcommunicates that he probably gets fucked with a lot by guys for wearing it and girls probably shit-test him a lot for wearing it and yet he’s still very comfortably wearing it so he must be able to handle himself. A guy who can handle himself in the face of taking shit from everyone around him is a guy with a strong frame and a solid core belief system that he’s a high-value guy. No girl is fantasizing about having a guy in a fuzzy hat bang her out, but she DOES fantasize about getting banged out by an alpha male.

The outfit also causes her to instinctively shit-test him because it’s so ridiculous and when he responds to those shit-tests with his very calculated responses that are designed to hit very specific emotional switches in her that spike her buying temperature etc, she’s basically walking right into his spiderweb spiking her own attraction because as we all know when you pass shit-tests attraction is spiked. A big part of my game is saying offensive shit that causes girls to shit-test me so I can pass their shit-tests and spike their temperature fast. I can bang feisty girls way faster than shy quiet girls because feisty girls take that bait and throw more shit-tests at me and allow me to pass more of them faster and spike her attraction higher and faster.

Do you think a guy with a 6-pack in a suit (in a room full of other guys with 6-packs and suits) is going to be noticed by the smokin hot 9 or 10 girl (who’s social circle is full of guys with 6-packs and suits) if he’s standing along the bar next to Mystery, who’s wearing ridiculous shit and doing a magic trick for some cute girls?

If Mystery never came to the bar that night, that 6-pack suit dude would probably do just fine and may even bang her. But the second Mystery walks in and is doing what he does, DHV’ing and running his game, that guy is INVISIBLE.

“I understand that his Game is (or was) possibly so adept that it didn’t matter what he wore, yet still he wore it as an admitted part of that Game.”

Everyone was just taking it to extremes to see where the limits are. Then people started toning it back. If you look at any of the RSD guys they wear just normal clothes. They’re decently stylish but they’ll game in anything even shitty gym clothes. Julien wore the same shirt for a month till it was moldy and shit lol They’re not running around super pimped out anymore because now we fully understand “okay peacocking was subcommunicating these things and flipping these switches, BUT we can flip those switches through OTHER ways instead of all wearing leather pants and mesh shirts and eyeliner to the bar” lol That’s why even in a t-shirt I can subcommunicate the same or higher level of value as a guy in a suit or a better looking guy etc, because I know exactly what switches their shit flips and I know it’s only one or two switches and I can flip way more than that with game. As long as a guy who can do that isn’t around, that one or two-switch flipper will do fine…but as soon as a guy comes in flipping the whole fucking board up, that guy is irrelevant.

“Mystery and crew developed their Game, but they felt their style was an important enough part of it to experiment with it, sometimes garishly. To me this kind of echoes what Tanner’s message was all about.”

Shit has evolved is all, game has been refined down to it’s core. It’s like I was talking about with drilling down when something is inconsistent…why would peacocking, say like Jeffy wearing his pink striped suit, get you tooled as FUCK some nights, but get you mad praise on other nights? It was an inconsistent result once we had enough people peacocking. So as a community we started drilling down to figure out what was going on. The reason behind it came down to your own state and how you felt and how self-conscious or not you felt about the peacocking. Mystery didn’t really feel self-conscious because he’s flamboyant in general, but other guys trying to dress like him often did and got tooled harder. When you drill down far enough you come to the conclusion that people are pinging off how you feel about what you’re wearing/doing to know how they should feel. This aligns with a lot of standard accepted psychology where your own reaction influences other people’s opinions (like the comedian who apologizes for an offensive joke and that just fuels the offense VS the guy who laughs it off and people let it go and laugh with him etc etc tons of areas this comes up).

So now that we know “ok it’s how you feel about your actions/looks that matter” and we can go out in a t-shirt to a place full of suit guys or wear a suit to a t-shirt venue and know that “as long as I feel comfortable and congruent in what I’m wearing, everyone will think I’m awesome” and THAT’S the part we try to teach guys.

Mystery’s whole point is basically that “high value is important, and traditionally we signalled that by wearing suits and whatever, but look at ALL THESE AMAZING TRIGGERS I’ve found that signal way higher value, and here’s a step by step guide on how to trigger all of them in the optimal sequence to dwarf all that one or two switch suit and looks nonsense other guys are relying on”. That’s why he had a million openers and A1-A3 routines and magic tricks and merged sets and used social proof and bla bla bla because he was just out-DHV’ing other guys till the girl was attracted enough for him to qualify her and show interest back. He’s playing ENTIRELY on her subconscious brain and on subcommunications instead of playing the conscious game other guys are playing. It’s really fucking smart having re-watched it recently lol I see a lot more in it that I didn’t understand back when I started.

That’s it for tonight, heading out to sarge. Tired as fuck I can barely keep my eyes open but a buddy wants to roll out for a bit. Will see how “half-closed eyes half-asleep nodding off while she yaps about her life” game goes lol


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“I still think that it’s contextual and subject to the particular woman.”

I agree, that’s my point. The statement you made was an absolute, even in your rephrasing of it you imply that an attractive man is more attractive in a suit than not and I disagree with that.

James Dean in a dirty sweaty t-shirt smoking a cigarette is going to get snubbed by girls when James Dean in a suit is around? Girls didn’t want to fuck John Mclaine in Die Hard running around in his grubby wifebeater, they fantasized about Bruce Willis on the red carpet in his suit instead? The Walking Dead cast is all walking around in suits because girls will find them more attractive than wearing grubby clothes? Women want to be fucked in a 5-star hotel with satin sheets and roses around and don’t fantasize about getting fucked by some indie rocker in his tour bus?

It is 100% contextual and subject to the particular woman, so neither statement holds up which is the case I’m presenting. Maybe you meant “certain types of women in certain situations find a suit to be higher value” and if that’s what you meant then I agree, but that wasn’t in your actual wording as far as I can see.

“Women simply don’t fantasize about”

Irrelevant. Do guys only get hard for the girls they fantasize about? Do women only get wet for the men they fantasize about? No, it’s not important data. I can pretty much guarantee half the girls I’ve banged have NEVER fantasized about my hairy belly dripping sweat on them as I pound away lol…and yet they’ll fuck me, and come back to me. Their fantasies are irrelevant. They’re told by the media that “Don Draper is alpha” and they show him doing alpha stuff…they’re not attracted to Don Draper, if Don Draper was on TV being a whiny bitch in his suit they wouldn’t be attracted to him, but they show him being an alpha boss. It’s the alpha shit that the girls are attracted to. Why don’t they all want to fuck his wussy subordinate suit-chodes as much as him? Beacuse it’s his subcommunications that make him attractive, not the suit.

“If you’re on the beach, at a pool party, etc. and the guy next to you has comparable or marginally worse Game than you, but he looks like Mathew McConaughey and you look like Jonah Hill it’s far more likely that a woman will be too distracted by her physical arousal towards him than to pay attention to you or your approach.”

Logically this makes sense. In-field this doesn’t hold up IF Jonah Hill actually takes action. Paying attention to you isn’t a choice lol You MAKE her pay attention to you. With the strong frame you developed from not having the crutch of looks to rely on.

“You have to see that simplicity and I think many men’s experiences with listening to what women say about men in their peer group would too.”

When did we start listening to women instead of looking at women’s actions? Those same men’s experiences with listening to what women say about men in their peer group would have them believe that they should be a gentleman who buys them romantic flowers on a first date and pay for dinner and do housework for them. When did you start putting any kind of stock/relevance in what women say they’re attracted to?

“I don’t believe it’s a 0.000001% margin within Game.”

When’s the last time you competed with your male strippers for a hot young chick? Like that’s not a diss, that’s saying going head to head with other better looking objectively higher-value dudes for girls is what shoves these dynamics in your face. It doesn’t make sense that it would come down to such a little thing, but consistently that’s how it plays out in-field. I shouldn’t be able to take girls off better looking better external guys, but I can. And if I can then they shouldn’t be able to take them off me, but they can. It consistently comes down to who’s slightly more “on” in that interaction in that moment, the moment that the girl lives in. If I take the girl off another guy and then I start acting chode, she’ll go back to him. How do I know this? Because we test this stuff for FUN.

“As I asked before, what is that margin?”

Really it’s binary, but it’s easier to visualize with a teeny tiny percent. In an interaction one person is always reacting to the other person. There is no scenario where one guy reacting to another guy who’s indifferent to him, comes off as the higher value guy to girls. It doesn’t matter if he’s reacting like crazy, or if he’s reacting just the tiniest bit, girls pick up on that little sliver of who’s reacting more/less. That’s why I say looks guys will do fine as long as nobody steps up.

“What is the threshold needed for Game to offset a man’s physical deficits or vice versa?”

It’s a lot lower than people think. Pickup isn’t so much about convincing the girl TO bang you, it’s about convincing her there’s no reason NOT to bang you. That’s why those guys in those homeless videos can get away with telling the girls they’re homeless and shit, because they’re not listing attributes to convince the girls TO get with them, they’re just making sure not to trigger any reason NOT to get with them. They know they can frame control away most of the homeless shit and the clothes etc and DHV enough value for the girl to be Attracted enough to not care, because that stuff isn’t important to the girl.

“who have just as many hard facts to the contrary who present some pretty compelling evidence that women are far more forgiving of a man’s social awkwardness and lack of Game if he embodies a masculine physical ideal.”

Again as long as that guy has a green light to the finish line, he’ll do just fine. I don’t know how many times I can re-state this. The question then becomes: are extremely hot girls often wandering around alone, purposely approaching men and asking to get laid? Or are they generally in groups (often mixed, with high-value men) and do they test to see if the guy is man enough to step up and approach and game her properly so that she knows he’s a legit alpha beyond his looks and she can trust him to not be just a pretty face? I mean, I assume we’re in agreement that a very hot high-value girl will shit-test a man to make sure he’s an alpha so she can trust him to lead the ship, right? You’re suggesting that if he’s as good looking as all the other guys in her social circle because hot girls hang around hot guys, that she’ll give him a free pass to fuck that up instead of disqualifying him.

Now the 6s and 7s are just happy to have a hot guy, a 5 will go right up to a hot guy and aggressively try to fuck him. But do guys get in the game to bang out 6s they’re barely attracted to, or do they get in the game to bang hot girls they dream about banging? Do we want guys to bang average girls or do we want them to be able to get the hot ones?

“Women will gladly fuck a guy with preference if he’s physically ‘hawt’ and rationalize his social ineptitudes away as a cute quirkiness. Many men have seen exactly this happen; looks forgive a multitude of Game sins.”

Yes. IF NOBODY INTERRUPTS AND RUNS PROPER ATTRACTION GAME ON HER. lol I’ll just keep saying it till people listen.

“So what’s the threshold? It’s not 0.0001%.”

The 0.0001% is the threshold for two guys competing for a girl, not for a solo guy just standing around with a full green light no obstacles to the bedroom. That guy can fuck up more, sure, but again how many 9s and 10s are standing around alone and actively making moves on the guy leading the interaction to sex (since he has weak game) and don’t care about him having alpha qualities? Is he going to get another call if his hands are shaking nervously trying to take off her bra? What’s your view of the threshold where she’s initially attracted to the guy for his looks then turned off by him? Because there are a shitload of guys out there who have a girl attracted and say or do ONE wrong thing that hits just the wrong nerve and bam, they are dead to the girl. I’m sure guys have described experiences like that to you.

From the way you’re describing it it’s like as long as a guy is good looking the girl won’t care if he’s a huge chode, she’ll want to fuck his 6-pack and chase him around for it, even though she’s surrounded by guys like that. Observing Death Row at last call in any nightclub on any night out shows a bunch of good looking dudes who are going home dick in hand.

“The Chinese guy in the Lamborghini is an example of an extreme (affluence) grossly offsetting his other deficits (Game and looks probably).”

Again, do you think those girls were attracted to him, or were they attracted to the opportunity to take selfies in a sweet car to impress their Insagram audience? If he showed up in his shitty car afterward, would they go “I don’t care baby, I was so into YOU” or would they snub him because they were never actually attracted to him?

“The main reason ugly guys can hook up in Southeast Asian countries is because of the provisioning potential they represent to the local women.”

tbh I don’t know why you brought out a random SEA video lol You could have just used the multitude of English ones like Vitaly etc that shit was random lol And again, do we want guys to get laid because the girl wants their bank? Will those girls stick around if the bank dwindles down or if they get used to their standard of living and keep wanting more and hit the guy’s limit? Will those girls stick around if a guy with MORE money comes along? Are those girls attracted to the guy or his money? What type of attraction do you want guys to learn to create with women? ’cause I’d prefer they learn how to get girls to fuck them for THEM.

“That guy is not hawt, or even particularly rich, but if that woman is necessitous enough that guy’s SMV shoots through the roof.”

Do you think those girls won’t use his money but cheat on him on the side? And my point remains though, 5 pics of an orange sky mean “the sky is blue” is inaccurate which was all I was saying from the start.

“If a woman’s SMV and self-image is such that she doesn’t believe she can get with a Channing Tatum because she knows he’s unattainable her genuine feral desire for him doesn’t change when she goes home with you because you had good Game with her.”

Does Hypergamy make her attracted to the highest value man in the world, OR the highest value man she can reasonably expect to obtain?

Her attraction for him is irrelevant. It will shift to you if you game her properly. Tyler literally wrote about this way back in the early 2000s, you let another guy pump a girl’s buying temperature then just blow him out and transfer it to yourself. Unless your view is that being a male celebrity automatically makes you immune to AMOG’ing and hot guys never qualify themselves, in which case I’d say poke that bear more and you’ll find out that they do it all the time, especially when they’re not on-guard for it.

Now am I saying a guy with game is always going to blow Channing Tatum out? No. But how often is Channing Tatum in the bar beside most guys? Fucking never lol Like ya, it’s theoretically possible some McConaahhuhaey rich with a 6-pack and sick game comes flying out of nowhere and macks your girl but that’s simply not the reality like 90% of dudes who aren’t gaming in Hollywood and Vegas live in. They’re dealing with some good-looking rich dudes who have minimal game.

“And just to clear the air, I’m not baiting you or flaming you brother. You know I agree with 98% of your assessments.”

I’m only using snark when I see snark first lol I’m more than happy to discuss what I’m saying because anything I’m saying that doesn’t hold up in-field SHOULD be questioned and the entire backbone OF the Red Pill is discussion and experimentation and compiling data and examples and evidence to fine-tune things. The reason men get shit done is because we can disagree and discuss.

“I’m only digging in here because I know another Siirtyrion will eventually comment here again and say it’s all physical and Game is snake oil which you know I don’t believe.”

No idea who he is but that’s the exact mentality that “suits = lingerie” and “pick two” foster unfortunately. That’s why the TRP forums are FULL of guys focused on everything BUT actually talking to and fucking girls. I see all these guys bragging about going Monk Mode and it’s like bro were you even getting laid?? Do you even have that skillset down TO go into Monk Mode from?? You’re just putting a “cool name” on your fear of risking your ego out in-field, get the fuck out there and approach. When you’re banging the 8s that YOU CHOOSE consistently you can go Monk Mode lol

But these guys don’t read the old literature, or they read simplified versions of it or read way too much misguided shit since there’s so much out there now, they go out and half-assed apply it while getting wasted for a few months, don’t get the results they expected from the marketing hype, have no idea what the original Mystery Method shit taught to be able to weed out where they’re fucking up, and go “fuck it this game shit is a SHAM!!!” and then 4 guys who know them use him as their “I knew this guy who did that PUA shit and it totally fucked him up, just lift and make money bro the bitches will come knocking”

It’s funny because when The Game came out we were all terrified that “oh no now EVERY guy is going to learn this stuff and girls are all going to learn about it and everyone’s going to spot it in field and guys are all going to become gods”. Turns out people just glanced at it at best, wrote it off because of the fuzzy hat and not wanting to go out and try it or put the effort in, and now you can run straight-up classic Mystery Method and no one can tell and guys have no idea what you’re doing. Worked out great for a certain segment of us oldschool guys but I feel bad for the newbies who are reading TRP and skipping Mystery Method because they think it’s just some fuzzy hat scam. They’re missing a serious part of their education that could have saved them a ton of confusion and frustration when they’re out there banging their heads against the wall wondering why their looks aren’t getting them pussy falling from the sky.

And ya the reason these are so long is because I KNOW there are a bunch of dipshits lurking just DYING to start spouting that kind of stuff and fuck the whole discussion up with sidetracking and tangents so I know I have to be retardedly over-explanatory to not give them vague statements as ammo to feed off so everything gets 10 examples and re-explanations because this is, for some reason, such a touchy-ass subject (’cause GOD it would be nice to believe that all your failure in life with women is because you didn’t look the right way or get born into the right kind of money and none of it is actually your fault…instead of being because you just didn’t go up and say “hi” to that girl you were into because you were chickenshit lol)

@kfg
“” . . . it’s contextual and subject to the particular woman. ”

There ya go.”

lol I’m wondering if maybe that was meant to be in the original quote and we all just have disconnected wires or what, but that was basically my problem with both versions of the original statement.

@Rollo
“Mystery has gone into great detail about the dynamic of peacocking and his appearance and style were obviously an important part of his Game, at least for some part of it. Even his now toned down look still evokes a message about him.”

Mystery was also going for peacocked strippers in Hollywood and Vegas and shit remember. All he ever recommended for “normal” guys going for “normal” girls is “wear one unique item that stands out”.

“How does that fit into what you’ve been saying here today?”

His peacocking wasn’t attractive because girls like fuzzy hats. His peacocking (and he explains this) tells the girl that he can handle social pressure. It’s not the hat itself that’s attractive, it’s that the hat subcommunicates that he probably gets fucked with a lot by guys for wearing it and girls probably shit-test him a lot for wearing it and yet he’s still very comfortably wearing it so he must be able to handle himself. A guy who can handle himself in the face of taking shit from everyone around him is a guy with a strong frame and a solid core belief system that he’s a high-value guy. No girl is fantasizing about having a guy in a fuzzy hat bang her out, but she DOES fantasize about getting banged out by an alpha male.

The outfit also causes her to instinctively shit-test him because it’s so ridiculous and when he responds to those shit-tests with his very calculated responses that are designed to hit very specific emotional switches in her that spike her buying temperature etc, she’s basically walking right into his spiderweb spiking her own attraction because as we all know when you pass shit-tests attraction is spiked. A big part of my game is saying offensive shit that causes girls to shit-test me so I can pass their shit-tests and spike their temperature fast. I can bang feisty girls way faster than shy quiet girls because feisty girls take that bait and throw more shit-tests at me and allow me to pass more of them faster and spike her attraction higher and faster.

Do you think a guy with a 6-pack in a suit (in a room full of other guys with 6-packs and suits) is going to be noticed by the smokin hot 9 or 10 girl (who’s social circle is full of guys with 6-packs and suits) if he’s standing along the bar next to Mystery, who’s wearing ridiculous shit and doing a magic trick for some cute girls?

If Mystery never came to the bar that night, that 6-pack suit dude would probably do just fine and may even bang her. But the second Mystery walks in and is doing what he does, DHV’ing and running his game, that guy is INVISIBLE.

“I understand that his Game is (or was) possibly so adept that it didn’t matter what he wore, yet still he wore it as an admitted part of that Game.”

Everyone was just taking it to extremes to see where the limits are. Then people started toning it back. If you look at any of the RSD guys they wear just normal clothes. They’re decently stylish but they’ll game in anything even shitty gym clothes. Julien wore the same shirt for a month till it was moldy and shit lol They’re not running around super pimped out anymore because now we fully understand “okay peacocking was subcommunicating these things and flipping these switches, BUT we can flip those switches through OTHER ways instead of all wearing leather pants and mesh shirts and eyeliner to the bar” lol That’s why even in a t-shirt I can subcommunicate the same or higher level of value as a guy in a suit or a better looking guy etc, because I know exactly what switches their shit flips and I know it’s only one or two switches and I can flip way more than that with game. As long as a guy who can do that isn’t around, that one or two-switch flipper will do fine…but as soon as a guy comes in flipping the whole fucking board up, that guy is irrelevant.

“Mystery and crew developed their Game, but they felt their style was an important enough part of it to experiment with it, sometimes garishly. To me this kind of echoes what Tanner’s message was all about.”

Shit has evolved is all, game has been refined down to it’s core. It’s like I was talking about with drilling down when something is inconsistent…why would peacocking, say like Jeffy wearing his pink striped suit, get you tooled as FUCK some nights, but get you mad praise on other nights? It was an inconsistent result once we had enough people peacocking. So as a community we started drilling down to figure out what was going on. The reason behind it came down to your own state and how you felt and how self-conscious or not you felt about the peacocking. Mystery didn’t really feel self-conscious because he’s flamboyant in general, but other guys trying to dress like him often did and got tooled harder. When you drill down far enough you come to the conclusion that people are pinging off how you feel about what you’re wearing/doing to know how they should feel. This aligns with a lot of standard accepted psychology where your own reaction influences other people’s opinions (like the comedian who apologizes for an offensive joke and that just fuels the offense VS the guy who laughs it off and people let it go and laugh with him etc etc tons of areas this comes up).

So now that we know “ok it’s how you feel about your actions/looks that matter” and we can go out in a t-shirt to a place full of suit guys or wear a suit to a t-shirt venue and know that “as long as I feel comfortable and congruent in what I’m wearing, everyone will think I’m awesome” and THAT’S the part we try to teach guys.

Mystery’s whole point is basically that “high value is important, and traditionally we signalled that by wearing suits and whatever, but look at ALL THESE AMAZING TRIGGERS I’ve found that signal way higher value, and here’s a step by step guide on how to trigger all of them in the optimal sequence to dwarf all that one or two switch suit and looks nonsense other guys are relying on”. That’s why he had a million openers and A1-A3 routines and magic tricks and merged sets and used social proof and bla bla bla because he was just out-DHV’ing other guys till the girl was attracted enough for him to qualify her and show interest back. He’s playing ENTIRELY on her subconscious brain and on subcommunications instead of playing the conscious game other guys are playing. It’s really fucking smart having re-watched it recently lol I see a lot more in it that I didn’t understand back when I started.

That’s it for tonight, heading out to sarge. Tired as fuck I can barely keep my eyes open but a buddy wants to roll out for a bit. Will see how “half-closed eyes half-asleep nodding off while she yaps about her life” game goes lol


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Quick follow-up note on MM while I wait on my buddy:

Mystery basically realized “ok I have no value compared to these other guys, I’m just some nerd who can’t get laid” and backwards engineered a set of consistent principles and ways to efficiently trigger them in an optimal order to front-load all his value.

It’s not that he’s more ATTRACTIVE in a fuzzy hat that the guy in the suit beside him is invisible, it’s that he’s such a fucking spectacle that he knows girls will HAVE to focus on him. And he knows that girls live in the moment so all he needs is that focus where he can lure them into his web of emotional intrigue and hook them. But the things he’s doing are not just DHV’ing himself, but also instigating the bar to HELP him DHV by making it too irresistible for guys NOT to try to tool him (which he has a bunch of routines to handle whatever they throw at him) and for girls to NOT try to shit-test him or comment on it or notice him.

A hot girl who’s looking for a guy who stands out can’t NOT look at Mystery when he walks in, he’s a freakshow lol

On top of that the types of girls he was ideally going for when he could are the type for whom peacocking is NORMAL. The girls who, themselves, peacock and handle social pressure, so it helps build comfort with them because it’s like “oh he’s from “my” world where I do what I want and don’t care what people think of me!”

But the key is the front-loading value to dwarf the suit guy. That’s why I say yes a girl will notice your shoes and shit but it’s when you don’t have her captivated and she starts looking around for shit to judge you on because you aren’t keeping her captivated the way interacting with Mystery does.

Julien’s game is just a ramped up version of MM…he’s running progressively more hardcore loops of A1-A3 until her A2 (attraction for him) is off the charts and she’s so emotionally invested that again she doesn’t even notice other guys around him.

I think a lot of the guys who have trouble grasping this tend not to make massive emotional impact in their interactions, they tend to play it safe and go for the smooth James Bond approach and don’t tend to drop stuff that shakes the girl to her core or stack a few things that spike her Buying Temperature off the charts. Like they’re hitting -5 and +5 on the emotional rollercoaster VS normal guys’ -1 and +1, but what Mystery is doing is like -10 and +10 and what Julien is doing is like -11 and +11 lol Anything in that -5 and +5 range and other guys become invisible.

They can step up and try to get the girl emotionally reacting to them too, but that’s why we have all our AMOG shit and venue changing her away from the guy while she’s emotionally spiked and compliant and we have a wingman distract the other guy talking about boring shit etc etc

That quote “give me 10 min to talk away my ugly face and I will bed the queen of france” is basically Mystery Method lol his whole goal is to get that 10 min and everything in A1-A3 is geared toward achieving that as fast and efficient as possible.

But most guys are running the bare minimum of A1-A3 and trying to go for Comfort/Rapport (C1) right away. And Direct Game is basically trying to skip A1 and A2 and jumping right to A3 hoping that by jumping to A3 that’ll demonstrate enough value to trigger enough A1 and A2 to get away with it. That’s why it works sometimes but not consistently and is way more of a numbers game than what Mystery Method is doing. If a guy happens to be the girl’s type looks-wise (or at least isn’t NOT her type) he can probably pull off jumping right to A3, but for most guys that shit is just rolling the dice and crossing their fingers.

Again A1-A3 doesn’t have to be spin-hugs and high-fives and gay thumbwars. Julien will do way different shit like tell a girl “No, you’re too old. You’re disgusting.” It’s assholish but he hitting her with a hard emotional jab that she HAS to react to in the same way girls HAVE to react when I drop a super offensive comment. We are just drawing their Reticular Activated System onto us so that we have her full attention and can work our shit from there and take over her brain lol

That’s why when guys complain about oh girls are all ADD or oh she was into this good-looking guy it’s like no, push HARDER, get up in her grill, make it impossible to ignore you. Get her to emotionally react to you, good or bad, and smooth it over if it’s bad…anything that gets her to fully focus on you, then flow through the proper steps in the proper order and you’re on your way.

Ok done for real this time lol hitting a young ppl nightclub sober with a buddy also in his 30s for like an hour (unless we pull…going out at all helps, don’t have to be out 9pm till last call boozing it up every night). Maybe I’ll ask the kiddies if they’d rather fuck that Twilight vampire in a t-shirt or a suit lol


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on September 17th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
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Quick follow-up note on MM while I wait on my buddy:

Mystery basically realized “ok I have no value compared to these other guys, I’m just some nerd who can’t get laid” and backwards engineered a set of consistent principles and ways to efficiently trigger them in an optimal order to front-load all his value.

It’s not that he’s more ATTRACTIVE in a fuzzy hat that the guy in the suit beside him is invisible, it’s that he’s such a fucking spectacle that he knows girls will HAVE to focus on him. And he knows that girls live in the moment so all he needs is that focus where he can lure them into his web of emotional intrigue and hook them. But the things he’s doing are not just DHV’ing himself, but also instigating the bar to HELP him DHV by making it too irresistible for guys NOT to try to tool him (which he has a bunch of routines to handle whatever they throw at him) and for girls to NOT try to shit-test him or comment on it or notice him.

A hot girl who’s looking for a guy who stands out can’t NOT look at Mystery when he walks in, he’s a freakshow lol

On top of that the types of girls he was ideally going for when he could are the type for whom peacocking is NORMAL. The girls who, themselves, peacock and handle social pressure, so it helps build comfort with them because it’s like “oh he’s from “my” world where I do what I want and don’t care what people think of me!”

But the key is the front-loading value to dwarf the suit guy. That’s why I say yes a girl will notice your shoes and shit but it’s when you don’t have her captivated and she starts looking around for shit to judge you on because you aren’t keeping her captivated the way interacting with Mystery does.

Julien’s game is just a ramped up version of MM…he’s running progressively more hardcore loops of A1-A3 until her A2 (attraction for him) is off the charts and she’s so emotionally invested that again she doesn’t even notice other guys around him.

I think a lot of the guys who have trouble grasping this tend not to make massive emotional impact in their interactions, they tend to play it safe and go for the smooth James Bond approach and don’t tend to drop stuff that shakes the girl to her core or stack a few things that spike her Buying Temperature off the charts. Like they’re hitting -5 and +5 on the emotional rollercoaster VS normal guys’ -1 and +1, but what Mystery is doing is like -10 and +10 and what Julien is doing is like -11 and +11 lol Anything in that -5 and +5 range and other guys become invisible.

They can step up and try to get the girl emotionally reacting to them too, but that’s why we have all our AMOG shit and venue changing her away from the guy while she’s emotionally spiked and compliant and we have a wingman distract the other guy talking about boring shit etc etc

That quote “give me 10 min to talk away my ugly face and I will bed the queen of france” is basically Mystery Method lol his whole goal is to get that 10 min and everything in A1-A3 is geared toward achieving that as fast and efficient as possible.

But most guys are running the bare minimum of A1-A3 and trying to go for Comfort/Rapport (C1) right away. And Direct Game is basically trying to skip A1 and A2 and jumping right to A3 hoping that by jumping to A3 that’ll demonstrate enough value to trigger enough A1 and A2 to get away with it. That’s why it works sometimes but not consistently and is way more of a numbers game than what Mystery Method is doing. If a guy happens to be the girl’s type looks-wise (or at least isn’t NOT her type) he can probably pull off jumping right to A3, but for most guys that shit is just rolling the dice and crossing their fingers.

Again A1-A3 doesn’t have to be spin-hugs and high-fives and gay thumbwars. Julien will do way different shit like tell a girl “No, you’re too old. You’re disgusting.” It’s assholish but he hitting her with a hard emotional jab that she HAS to react to in the same way girls HAVE to react when I drop a super offensive comment. We are just drawing their Reticular Activated System onto us so that we have her full attention and can work our shit from there and take over her brain lol

That’s why when guys complain about oh girls are all ADD or oh she was into this good-looking guy it’s like no, push HARDER, get up in her grill, make it impossible to ignore you. Get her to emotionally react to you, good or bad, and smooth it over if it’s bad…anything that gets her to fully focus on you, then flow through the proper steps in the proper order and you’re on your way.

Ok done for real this time lol hitting a young ppl nightclub sober with a buddy also in his 30s for like an hour (unless we pull…going out at all helps, don’t have to be out 9pm till last call boozing it up every night). Maybe I’ll ask the kiddies if they’d rather fuck that Twilight vampire in a t-shirt or a suit lol


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@Softek
That’s why guys can’t just read about this shit, they have to go out infield and try it and watch what happens and fuck it up a bunch and learn to calibrate and execute better etc etc. You can read for YEARS before doing your first approach (and some newbies do that) and you’ll walk out and choke on Approach Anxiety and probably not even open. Like, it’s important to teach your brain through actual reference experiences. As Tyler says “your brain wants PROOF not PROMISES.”

“Women’s attempted emotional manipulation of men is cute.”

This is how I view it. Shit-tests are cute to me. I have a buddy who gets frustrated with them but it’s because he takes girls too seriously. They’re just 5yo children to me, I wouldn’t be “mad” at a 5yo trying to convince me they deserve a cookie I know they didn’t deserve, like it would be silly to be worked up.

@Ishmael
Thanks for sharing lol fucking finally some evidence backing up what I’m saying. The reason I KNOW guys like you exist and that there are a LOT of you is because I’ve run into a bunch of guys who are stuck in those mindsets and those mindsets are created from this kind of stuff, that’s why I’m so anal about clarifying and counter-pointing it.

Because like Jeremy says, you SHOULDN’T think that way, and like I’ve said I know Rollo and Tanner aren’t purposely maliciously trying to GET you to think like that, but I also know that as a newbie your brain works a particular way because of where you are in your progress and it might be hard for a guy who’s been a Natural his whole life to understand where guys like you are coming from but the guys trying to learn game are overwhelmingly not Naturals just looking to top off their skillset, they’re guys like you who are probably deep over-thinker introvert types who are trying to figure out how to break out of their shell and get some success with women, and because of where you are in your progress your brain is looking for ANY branch it can grasp onto to squirm out of taking it on head-on.

And like when you took your uniform off, you aren’t losing your mental/physical fortitude, it’s not sewn into the uniform, but you were encouraged to build a massive amount of that identity around wearing that uniform…which is GREAT in terms of creating a patriotic army, like that’s what they need to do and what YOU need to do in that moment. BUT, like you found out, that can cause problems later.

Game isn’t something you do for a few years then bail on, this shit is for life, even if you settle down you gotta understand game and be running a bit of it on your wife to keep the fires of attraction and respect stoked. So I would prefer that a man learns in a way where at 45 when he’s gained a few pounds and has lost his hair he still feels as badass dominant and alpha as he did in his youth and can still command the kind of alpha shit his wife and kids need him to command, instead of him thinking “well I don’t have the uniform anymore so why would they respect me?”

@keyser
“When the fuck you little boys are going to grow up and talk like men?”

lol

@lh
“In my opinion Oneitis happens when her desire for you fades. Oneitis is your desire for her desire, you had once but then lost. Women can make men fall in love by investing emotions heavily and keep it on a high level for some time to build trust in the man and then let those emotions slowly fade. This will create some pull on the man’s emotions.”

What you’re describing here is a really excellent description of a dynamic that DOES happen, but it would be called something besides Oneitis because Oneitis kicks in right from the second you start thinking “this one is special” and you can fall into that trap even when she’s fully into you. What you’re describing, which again is a great description of that dynamic, would be more like fear of loss or a pull followed by a push etc. Just for the sake of keeping definitions clear/consistent.

@DandyDude
“I’m just gonna say that the assessment that dressing well is easy is pure bullshit.”

It’s easy relative to approaching hot girls. Take a virgin clothes shopping, then take him to a gym and tell him to lift a weight, then take him to a bar and tell him to go cold approach a 9 and see which one he resists doing the most. :P

Put enough effort into dressing/grooming so that you don’t look like a social retard, but then let it go. Get yourself in shape so you can fuck better and if it makes you feel good that’s cool, but then let it go. Focus primarily on time in-field, you will progress way faster at getting hot girls and mastering social situations in the long-run.

“And damn, I wish I could find a post from Krauser where he’s being honest on how it is to game when you’re below average in the looks department, and how he has to work harder and put in way more numbers than other guys.”

I’ve had buddies who are shorter than Krauser, fatter than Krauser, and uglier than Krauser who do just fine with women and get girls that logically they shouldn’t be able to get. And I’ve had buddies who are those things and can’t get laid to save their life. Most of it comes down to guys running weak rapport-based game that doesn’t really spike the girls’ emotions much.

Like I’ve said from the start, looks will give you some Approach Invites and Warm Approaches and if no one with good game interferes then ya you’ll do just fine. And short guys aren’t turning heads when they walk in the room just like I do. But none of that is relevant unless you’re running passive game where you just cross your fingers that the girl chooses you based on your externals instead of getting inside her brain and mind-fucking it to where she’s captivated by you. From what I’ve seen of Krauser’s in-field stuff a lot of it the girls are like “ya, that’s cool, sure we should hang out”, they’re not really mind-blown by what he’s doing or looking at him like he’s the most amazing man they’ve ever met in their lives. This is what I mean when I used the -5/+5 VS -10/+10 analogy.

Make a bigger emotional impact (aka run better game) and a lot of looks bullshit goes out the window. Girls I’m interacting with don’t notice 6-pack guys around me because the stuff I say and do to them creates enough emotional impact that she isn’t LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM for something better lol What we’re doing is taking over her RAS so that we are her full focus.

(quick RAS run-down: if I say look out the window at a parking lot and tell me how many blue cars are there, you’ll count them and be able to tell me. Then if I close the curtains and say ok now tell me how many yellow cars were there you’ll have NO idea because your RAS was focused on the blue cars…we use this principle a LOT in pickup)

@SJF
“YaReally has spent 15 years in studying and employing pickup Arts in an in depth fashion.”

Only 8-ish, but I love it and have gone out a TON. It’s a much more exciting hobby to me than playing x-box or like, smoking pot in a basement watching netflix.

@Rollo @SJF
“Rollo has spent over 15 years of in depth evolutioary and behavioral psychology studies.”

My thing is this:

All we PUAs do really is go out and collect data. Rollo is great at explaining things and breaking down the how of what’s going on, like I’ve said before Hypergamy blew my mind because the PUA community knew about it to an extent but we didn’t have it deciphered in great detail and broken down into all the nuances like Rollo did with it. That shit is amazing and it aligns with what we see/experience/collect data for in-field.

What I’m saying now is that we have found and are finding that there is a TON of data that goes AGAINST girls choosing looks over game. Now that might contradict previously held beliefs/logic/ideas, but that’s not our problem. We don’t judge the data, we just collect it. The 0.0001% better thing is the best way I (and the rest of us, like the guy in that “steal the girl from her boyfriend” vid I linked and the RSD guys (who go out like 6 days/nights a week to sarge hot young girls and compete with other guys in mixed sets etc all around the world)) can explain what’s going on that’s consistent with the data we’re seeing.

If you can come up with a better explanation of why shit like this happens ALL THE TIME:

(7:05, tho I recommend watching the whole vid because he explains a lot of the internal stuff going on at the start and his analogy about “would she make out with me any FASTER if I was rich or better looking? Like oh for the ugly short balding ginger I just let him drag me behind the building and get it on but for the REALLY good looking guy I’d just let him fuck me on the street!!” is key):

Anyway at 7:05:

There’s 3 tall good-looking dudes. Because looks matter, Tyler should have NO chance here. The girl should just instantly want those other guys it doesn’t matter how much game they have because Tyler isn’t in a suit, he’s short, nasally voice, he has no assets she can see, all he has is confidence and a strategic understanding of how to build Attraction FAST (note his eye contact, pulling her in dominantly (kino), leading the interaction, he assesses quickly whether the girl knows those guys so he knows if he has to befriend them or can cut them out, he knows to get his girl away from them so he can avoid getting bogged down in an AMOG battle with them when he doesn’t need to (and he dominantly carries her away) and then he brings her sister over and flirts with her too.

But the douchebros come over to try to “save” her and SHE blows them off FOR Tyler.

How does that fit into your looks thing? Look at the guy at 7:45 with his hands up, he has NO IDEA wtf just happened and look at her sister, who’s looking at him like “who IS this guy??” And after Tyler’s “decisive action” explanation he’s putting her sister’s hand on his butt and having them squeeze it IN FRONT OF the tall dude the blonde was talking to.

This isn’t some “oh this happened once in 10 years and he happened to catch it on footage”. This happens ALL THE TIME.

Now keep watching, Julien and Tyler go head to head (which they do all the time just to keep eachother sharp). At 11:10 Julien comes over…Julien is taller and has sick game like Tyler. He tries to pull the girl away from Tyler and Tyler explains how the dynamics work where “it’s very unusual that the girl will leave if you’ve engaged her properly…if I’m approval seeking/needy and Julien pulls on her hand, she’ll go with him, but if I’m on my game it’s safe.”

Tyler knows to turn them around to face away from Julien, then he hands him one of them and gets up in his girl’s face to take over her RAS. LOGICALLY she should want to fuck Julien too, BOTH of them should be going for Julien and ignoring Tyler because Tyler isn’t as good looking.

But Tyler knows to take over her emotions…listen to her giggling uncontrollably when he picks her up and is swaying with her (subtly turning her away from Julien to cut him out of her reality because he KNOWS that she lives in the moment and will forget Julien exists the second she doesn’t see him, the same way a girl will forget her friends exist if they aren’t in her direct line of sight when she’s attracted (so you can makeout easier than if she sees her friends watching)). Is she thinking about ANYTHING in that moment except “holy shit this guy is crazy!!!” and going on an emotional rollercoaster?

If some guy in a suit walked by in the background would these girls ever notice? No, these girls are CAPTIVATED by Tyler and Julien beacuse they’re speaking to their subconscious brain spiking their emotions.

Now those of us who are going out and testing this shit out are coming up with the explanation of it being that 0.00001% difference between whether Julien or Tyler takes the girl, or whether that girl stays with the douchebros or rejects them or whether her blondie sisterm comes when Tyler says to or stays with the douchebro.

If you have a BETTER explanation, I’m all ears, I haven’t read nearly as much evo psych stuff etc so maybe there’s some awesome way to describe why this happens all the time with the consistent patterns I’m describing.

But all I’m reporting is that the data we are experiencing in-field doesn’t align with the paradigm of looks being important when you run proper game, or girls “fantasizing about a stripper with a 6-pack in a suit fucking her” having any kind of relevance once that bell dings and the fight starts.

I’ve linked this before but here’s another good one:

Watch the way the AMOGs become invisible to the girls. Objectively the big black dude is probably more alpha and attractive and jacked than this scrawny dirty looking guy, and the other black guy is dressed up all nice while the white guy is just wearing ugly skater shit. But watch the girls.

Do they give a FUCK about those other guys they were just talking to once this guy starts pumping their Buying Temperature? No. He blows their BT so high that it fries their circuits and they run off (they don’t run to the other objectively better looking dudes (one of them well dressed for the era (this was mid-2000s), they run off away from all of them because they need time away from stimulus for their BT to drop back down (the guy ran it through the roof for the footage (that’s why he says buying temperature and applauds himself at the end beacuse capturing that circuit-frying on camera back then THAT blatantly was sick) but in-field you would normally pull back slightly so you can keep them from frying and then just compliance test and pull them away from the other guys etc etc no problem)).

Watch the guy at 35 seconds trying to hold court and no one gives a fuck about him, he’s invisible now, and then watch his face a couple seconds later when he sees the girls’ BT spike off the charts, he has NO IDEA wtf is going on or what wizardry this little scrawny white rat-looking guy is doing to make that happen.

Beacuse a minute ago he WAS holding court, and if this guy didn’t come up and blow him out he might have fucked one of those girls…but the second the PUA comes in and starts making EMOTIONAL IMPACT on the girls (from the specific BT-spiking routines he’s using to having a camera to draw their attention to positioning themselves so that the girls are facing away from the AMOG so he’s cut out of the interaction etc) that guy goes invisible.

Were those girls fantasizing about this scrawny rat-guy fucking them? Is that what they do when they play with themselves at night, picture THIS guy? He’s their sexy fantasy? No, but it doesn’t matter. Attraction isn’t a choice. If the guy these girls had been talking to had been their dream ideal looks-wise man who was also super alpha and rich, then he might have a little tougher battle and have to pull out some more hardcore tactics, but they will react the same way these girls react because this is just how women’s brains WORK.

Here’s the step by step breakdown of most of the dynamics going on in this clip so you know what’s happening from a PUA perspective, this is how our brain views interactions, we notice all these dynamics because we go out so much that this stuff becomes second nature to our brain and we don’t have to consciously think about it the way we did when we started out:

People will say this is over-thinking it but that’s because they don’t understand the dynamics of what just happened.

Would those girls have been any MORE receptive to him if he had some orange blazer on? Would their emotions have spiked any faster, would they have ignored the other guys any faster if this guy was jacked with expensive shoes? No, these girls couldn’t even tell you what kind of shoes this guy had ON because they’re 100% focused on the emotions he’s giving them and the interaction, not looking around the room for better looking guys or at his shoes to try to disqualify him.

This is why I say I think a lot of the guys who don’t get what I’m saying are guys who aren’t making emotional impacts on women. They’re hitting -5/+5 reactions, not -10/+10 and probably haven’t even SEEN guys purposely creating -10/+10 emotional rollercoasters live in-field before so they can’t relate to what that does to girls.

So like I’ve said a million times: as long as a guy who’s running GOOD game doesn’t come in, yes, the looks guy has a good chance of getting the girl. But that guy is not even remotely prepared to handle the shit that we learn to drop in sets, because that guy has relied on his looks and hasn’t had to deal with guys interfering before because most of the time guys step back and let that guy have the girl.

That all said: you can figure out a way to explain what’s happening and I’ll happily back it as long as it fits the data that we’re finding in-field. If it doesn’t fit the data, then “the sky is blue” and “you should wear a suit” are no longer accurate statements and need to be revisited.

We don’t CARE about sticking to a specific theory. We just want to get guys laid. I don’t charge anyone for anything, I’m not trying to convert my friends to some cult mindset. If tomorrow we all started finding out that looks matter and that wearing an orange blazer made a significant impact we would be the FIRST ONES to tell guys “go out and buy an orange blazer”. But the cold hard data coming out of the field is “that shit is insignificant, handle it at the most basic level to not be socially retarded and then drop it and focus on game”.

When a guy is heavily invested in externals mattering (whether it’s fashion, looks, money, muscles, a nice car, etc) it instantly tells me “this is a guy who probably isn’t running game with much emotional impact and his buddies probably aren’t either if girls are passing them up for him because of his orange blazer…she’s doing that because like a girl on a dating site the guys aren’t expressing enough personality and making an emotional impact on her so she’s bored and starting to filter them through “is he a doctor? does he have a 6-pack?” filters like a dating site”.

@CaveClown
“YaReally, and whoever else, if there were 5 or so resources for game that you figure would be required reading (or watching) what would they be?”

This is the path I’d send guys down:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/4/#comment-heartiste-659661

“Day game is where it is at for me. I talk to women a lot, but like the dentist in one of the videos YaReally posted, I am pegged as provider. In other words I’m polite and boring.”

Check out Julien’s PIMP stuff (I posted it in that link). You need to make more emotional impact on her. When you can do that, add in less provider shit like say you have a worse job than you do or don’t talk about it, don’t pay for drinks or anything, screen them harder so they feel like they have to impress you instead of being the ones to judge whether you deserve them, get them reacting to YOU instead of YOU reacting to THEM. Some of it is internal mindsets (like that it’s okay to not be polite or to be more sexual), some of it is external (like talking about sexual subjects etc).

@Bromeo
“One of the reasons why I fully stopped reading anything PUA when I found RP. Once you transcend past the basics you don’t need to break down value into category’s, its all simply a part of your singular identity.”

lol as long as you’re getting the results you want it’s all good, do your thing. But some guys need more help or have different goals that require a more tactical understanding of the dynamics. Most Naturals don’t think about tactics at all and it works just fine for them. They’re still executing the same dynamics, they’re just not thinking about it because they go by feel. That’s also why they often have blindspots and weaknesses a guy with tactics can learn to exploit :P lol

@CaveClown
“It makes it hard to pass just being in a marriage at all. By definition she has lots of power in the relationship”

Yup. This is why I rail against marriage. The very act of marriage itself (or moving in with a girl or promising monogamy) is voluntarily giving up your ability to walk away at a moment’s notice, which inherently takes away the thing that MAKES YOU ATTRACTIVE lol Like, to make THAT work you either gotta be lucky as fuck and beat all the odds, or fashion a lifestyle like Rollo’s where your career and social life inherently have basic “dread game” built into them. It doesn’t have to be MUCH, you don’t have to be out tearing up a kiddie nightclub every weekend at age 50, but like, if she knows you work with hot promo models who like older men etc it’s a lot easier to keep her appreciating what she’s lucky to have which is better for BOTH parties in the relationship (aka she WANTS to worry a LITTLE bit ’cause she instinctively knows having to worry reinforces that she has a high-value man).

Men NEED to understand this shit because society is designed to push men into marriage before they even hit 30+ and actually come into their REAL value and suddenly have <25yo pussy throwing themselves at them, and society is hoping it can lock them into providing for a chick and family before he figures that shit out…because once he figures it out, why would he settle down?

Great for society, terrible for the men who get duped into marriage thinking "true love lasts forever". A guy who understands all this red pill shit could possibly walk into a marriage-esque situation and do alright because he understands all the dynamics (again see Rollo), but like, most guys are still voluntarily begging for more blue pills and heading off to the slaughter.

"Reading through the yareally archives, he made mention of men making choices based off personality and life circumstance. Lots of women or maybe just a “steady girl or three”

That is really appealing to me. Steady girl(s) but never giving the keys to the kingdom to her by way of marriage. Why sabotage your own frame?"

Patrice O'Neal talks about this stuff a lot. Check my archive for "pLTR" where I go into my current optimal relationship design that I think solves most problems that monogamy/marriage create. Also I write a lot about oLTRs and mLTRs. And there's this great video by Tyler on creating relationships based on where you are in life (he's has a baby mama for years and has 3-somes with her and with his primary fuckbuddies etc):

Blackdragon's stuff is another great resource, dude is on-point about a lot of the dynamics and shit involved in making that work.

Personally I was INFINITELY more happy having a Primary, with two Secondaries, and random ONS/casual-FBs, going out once or twice a week with buddies and meeting more girls.

But I'm even happier single right now. ;) lol

@SJF
"The Mindful Attraction Plan was written before you stopped endorsing him for good reason. It is streamlined, written for males in a shitty relationships, is practical and helped me regain control of my relationship through masculine self improvement. I’d not waste time on anything else by Athol Kay. And MAP only for those that that have a problem LTR."

I don't know anything about the politics but someone should archive that MAP shit incase it ever gets taken down if he's going some different route, because what I saw of the MAP looked rock solid for guys in deadbedroom marriages and the forums I skimmed looked like guys were having the success I would expect based on what the MAP promotes. No idea on Athol or what he pushes now but that specific MAP stuff I looked at I was like "this is a thing I would definitely recommend to deadbedroom buddies".

A lot of guys have shitty negative sides to them where it's like "ehhh I wish this person wasn't such a shitty person" but their work is still solid. I try not to let my opinion of them as a person taint their work if their work holds up in-field. There are a few guys I've seen where they've done stuff that I'm like "ok that person isn't a great person, BUT their work is solid and useful to guys learning so it's not worth bringing up the drama". If their views/mindsets start tainting their work and changing it to something less useful or damaging to new guys though, then I'd bring it up.

@Forge the Sky
"He had an LTR who didn’t mind him taking 3-6 month breaks to get it out with other women. As he said, “I love her. I enjoy other women.”"

Yup. As I've said before when I talk about oLTRs and pLTRs etc, a girl's main worry isn't that you might fuck another girl, her main worry is that you'll REPLACE her with that other girl. Giving your Primary special priveleges and having a very defined heirarchy that you make girls you're seeing aware that they're in solves a lot of problems…that Primary just needs to know that you aren't going to fuck some porn chick and then dump her for her and take away the future she was envisioning.

That's why you can always go toward being MORE committed, but you can't easily go toward being LESS committed. You can go from banging tons of girls and having 3-somes with your girl to just having monogamy with your girl, but it's very difficult and often impossible to go from monogamy with your girl to having 3-somes and banging a bunch of porn chicks on the side without causing massive drama. So guys have to understand this stuff BEFORE they get into a relationship.

"most girls won’t get into relationships like this, but it’s a lot more possible than you’d guess if you never give girls a vibe that that’s what you’re looking for. They’re not going to tell you that you can do that."

This is key. Tyler talks about this in that video I linked near the middle/end when he's talking about Lil' Wayne. A LOT more girls, esp in 2015, are down for this shit than guys thing. The problem is if you're coming off like that provider dentist guy, you won't get to see that side of her and you'll either think she's a unicorn or frigid or NAWALT etc but the reality is you just don't know how to bring that side out of her. That's what learning game is for. ;)

@Andy
"Basically I’m looking to improve my social game. Small talk is like kryptonite to me. I’d rather gouge out my eyeballs than talk about the fucking weather. I can be gregarious and witty around people I know, but when I’m talking to people I don’t know my mind goes blank. Because quite frankly I don’t give a shit about people I don’t know. Obviously it’s a catch 22 though because then I’ll never meet new people. "

Juggler Method might be a decent read for you. It's about making small talk more interesting pretty much lol I'm in the same boat as you in that I hate boring small talk and I don't really care what the girl does for a living. I've found it helps (and helps build rapport/comfort with people) to focus on more interesting emotional/impactful/controversial questions. Like I don't want to ask some dude I meet when I'm out "so what do you do for a living?" because I don't really care, that's just fluff it doesn't really tell me much about who he is. So instead I might ask something like "man that girl over there is like a 10 to me, I think I'm just a sucker for blondes. What about you? Blondes? Brunettes? Redheads?" where he has to drop outside of the standard small talk routine and risk saying something inappropriate and let down his social shield a little. Or if I'm talking about work I won't ask him like, "so do you like working there?" Instead I might ask "have you ever thought of venturing off and running your own business in that field? Or do you like the whole structured regimine thing? I have a buddy who loves that he gets to check out at 5pm every day and not think about work, and another buddy of mine is an entrepreneur who's just working his ass off 24/7 and never comes out because of it." and from there he'll be telling me about what makes him tick instead of just giving me factual data.

Another thing I try to do is get people to teach me ONE interesting thing about their job or their life. Like oh you're a dentist, tell me something no one knows about dentists etc And try to get them to come up with something interesting that 1) gives them value to you because they taught you an interesting little "factoid" and 2) you can use that in future conversations with other people when the topic of dentistry or teeth or whatever comes up.

RSDJulien likes to fuck with girls by asking them really inappropriate shit like "do you believe in god?" or "if you had to choose between fucking a homeless man, or blowing a dog for 10 seconds, which would you choose?" and escalating it, but I don't recommend that approach lol

@longgone
"Finally read some of your archives…Do you have your own site or only discuss this stuff here and on other blogs such as CH, etc.?"

Everything I write gets auto-posted to yareallyarchive.com Lumpy from over at CH set it all up like a boss out of the goodness of his heart. I mostly just hang here and at CH but CH is basically a politics/race hub these days (there was a point where there was literally like 10 politics/race articles in a row) and I don't have an interest in that kind of stuff so I haven't been checking it out much. Plus I'm pretty busy these days so I just drop in when I get a free day or two where I can blast 500000 pages of debating orange blazers and then vanish again lol


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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on September 18th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
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@Softek
That’s why guys can’t just read about this shit, they have to go out infield and try it and watch what happens and fuck it up a bunch and learn to calibrate and execute better etc etc. You can read for YEARS before doing your first approach (and some newbies do that) and you’ll walk out and choke on Approach Anxiety and probably not even open. Like, it’s important to teach your brain through actual reference experiences. As Tyler says “your brain wants PROOF not PROMISES.”

“Women’s attempted emotional manipulation of men is cute.”

This is how I view it. Shit-tests are cute to me. I have a buddy who gets frustrated with them but it’s because he takes girls too seriously. They’re just 5yo children to me, I wouldn’t be “mad” at a 5yo trying to convince me they deserve a cookie I know they didn’t deserve, like it would be silly to be worked up.

@Ishmael
Thanks for sharing lol fucking finally some evidence backing up what I’m saying. The reason I KNOW guys like you exist and that there are a LOT of you is because I’ve run into a bunch of guys who are stuck in those mindsets and those mindsets are created from this kind of stuff, that’s why I’m so anal about clarifying and counter-pointing it.

Because like Jeremy says, you SHOULDN’T think that way, and like I’ve said I know Rollo and Tanner aren’t purposely maliciously trying to GET you to think like that, but I also know that as a newbie your brain works a particular way because of where you are in your progress and it might be hard for a guy who’s been a Natural his whole life to understand where guys like you are coming from but the guys trying to learn game are overwhelmingly not Naturals just looking to top off their skillset, they’re guys like you who are probably deep over-thinker introvert types who are trying to figure out how to break out of their shell and get some success with women, and because of where you are in your progress your brain is looking for ANY branch it can grasp onto to squirm out of taking it on head-on.

And like when you took your uniform off, you aren’t losing your mental/physical fortitude, it’s not sewn into the uniform, but you were encouraged to build a massive amount of that identity around wearing that uniform…which is GREAT in terms of creating a patriotic army, like that’s what they need to do and what YOU need to do in that moment. BUT, like you found out, that can cause problems later.

Game isn’t something you do for a few years then bail on, this shit is for life, even if you settle down you gotta understand game and be running a bit of it on your wife to keep the fires of attraction and respect stoked. So I would prefer that a man learns in a way where at 45 when he’s gained a few pounds and has lost his hair he still feels as badass dominant and alpha as he did in his youth and can still command the kind of alpha shit his wife and kids need him to command, instead of him thinking “well I don’t have the uniform anymore so why would they respect me?”

@keyser
“When the fuck you little boys are going to grow up and talk like men?”

lol

@lh
“In my opinion Oneitis happens when her desire for you fades. Oneitis is your desire for her desire, you had once but then lost. Women can make men fall in love by investing emotions heavily and keep it on a high level for some time to build trust in the man and then let those emotions slowly fade. This will create some pull on the man’s emotions.”

What you’re describing here is a really excellent description of a dynamic that DOES happen, but it would be called something besides Oneitis because Oneitis kicks in right from the second you start thinking “this one is special” and you can fall into that trap even when she’s fully into you. What you’re describing, which again is a great description of that dynamic, would be more like fear of loss or a pull followed by a push etc. Just for the sake of keeping definitions clear/consistent.

@DandyDude
“I’m just gonna say that the assessment that dressing well is easy is pure bullshit.”

It’s easy relative to approaching hot girls. Take a virgin clothes shopping, then take him to a gym and tell him to lift a weight, then take him to a bar and tell him to go cold approach a 9 and see which one he resists doing the most. πŸ˜›

Put enough effort into dressing/grooming so that you don’t look like a social retard, but then let it go. Get yourself in shape so you can fuck better and if it makes you feel good that’s cool, but then let it go. Focus primarily on time in-field, you will progress way faster at getting hot girls and mastering social situations in the long-run.

“And damn, I wish I could find a post from Krauser where he’s being honest on how it is to game when you’re below average in the looks department, and how he has to work harder and put in way more numbers than other guys.”

I’ve had buddies who are shorter than Krauser, fatter than Krauser, and uglier than Krauser who do just fine with women and get girls that logically they shouldn’t be able to get. And I’ve had buddies who are those things and can’t get laid to save their life. Most of it comes down to guys running weak rapport-based game that doesn’t really spike the girls’ emotions much.

Like I’ve said from the start, looks will give you some Approach Invites and Warm Approaches and if no one with good game interferes then ya you’ll do just fine. And short guys aren’t turning heads when they walk in the room just like I do. But none of that is relevant unless you’re running passive game where you just cross your fingers that the girl chooses you based on your externals instead of getting inside her brain and mind-fucking it to where she’s captivated by you. From what I’ve seen of Krauser’s in-field stuff a lot of it the girls are like “ya, that’s cool, sure we should hang out”, they’re not really mind-blown by what he’s doing or looking at him like he’s the most amazing man they’ve ever met in their lives. This is what I mean when I used the -5/+5 VS -10/+10 analogy.

Make a bigger emotional impact (aka run better game) and a lot of looks bullshit goes out the window. Girls I’m interacting with don’t notice 6-pack guys around me because the stuff I say and do to them creates enough emotional impact that she isn’t LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM for something better lol What we’re doing is taking over her RAS so that we are her full focus.

(quick RAS run-down: if I say look out the window at a parking lot and tell me how many blue cars are there, you’ll count them and be able to tell me. Then if I close the curtains and say ok now tell me how many yellow cars were there you’ll have NO idea because your RAS was focused on the blue cars…we use this principle a LOT in pickup)

@SJF
“YaReally has spent 15 years in studying and employing pickup Arts in an in depth fashion.”

Only 8-ish, but I love it and have gone out a TON. It’s a much more exciting hobby to me than playing x-box or like, smoking pot in a basement watching netflix.

@Rollo @SJF
“Rollo has spent over 15 years of in depth evolutioary and behavioral psychology studies.”

My thing is this:

All we PUAs do really is go out and collect data. Rollo is great at explaining things and breaking down the how of what’s going on, like I’ve said before Hypergamy blew my mind because the PUA community knew about it to an extent but we didn’t have it deciphered in great detail and broken down into all the nuances like Rollo did with it. That shit is amazing and it aligns with what we see/experience/collect data for in-field.

What I’m saying now is that we have found and are finding that there is a TON of data that goes AGAINST girls choosing looks over game. Now that might contradict previously held beliefs/logic/ideas, but that’s not our problem. We don’t judge the data, we just collect it. The 0.0001% better thing is the best way I (and the rest of us, like the guy in that “steal the girl from her boyfriend” vid I linked and the RSD guys (who go out like 6 days/nights a week to sarge hot young girls and compete with other guys in mixed sets etc all around the world)) can explain what’s going on that’s consistent with the data we’re seeing.

If you can come up with a better explanation of why shit like this happens ALL THE TIME:

(7:05, tho I recommend watching the whole vid because he explains a lot of the internal stuff going on at the start and his analogy about “would she make out with me any FASTER if I was rich or better looking? Like oh for the ugly short balding ginger I just let him drag me behind the building and get it on but for the REALLY good looking guy I’d just let him fuck me on the street!!” is key):

Anyway at 7:05:

There’s 3 tall good-looking dudes. Because looks matter, Tyler should have NO chance here. The girl should just instantly want those other guys it doesn’t matter how much game they have because Tyler isn’t in a suit, he’s short, nasally voice, he has no assets she can see, all he has is confidence and a strategic understanding of how to build Attraction FAST (note his eye contact, pulling her in dominantly (kino), leading the interaction, he assesses quickly whether the girl knows those guys so he knows if he has to befriend them or can cut them out, he knows to get his girl away from them so he can avoid getting bogged down in an AMOG battle with them when he doesn’t need to (and he dominantly carries her away) and then he brings her sister over and flirts with her too.

But the douchebros come over to try to “save” her and SHE blows them off FOR Tyler.

How does that fit into your looks thing? Look at the guy at 7:45 with his hands up, he has NO IDEA wtf just happened and look at her sister, who’s looking at him like “who IS this guy??” And after Tyler’s “decisive action” explanation he’s putting her sister’s hand on his butt and having them squeeze it IN FRONT OF the tall dude the blonde was talking to.

This isn’t some “oh this happened once in 10 years and he happened to catch it on footage”. This happens ALL THE TIME.

Now keep watching, Julien and Tyler go head to head (which they do all the time just to keep eachother sharp). At 11:10 Julien comes over…Julien is taller and has sick game like Tyler. He tries to pull the girl away from Tyler and Tyler explains how the dynamics work where “it’s very unusual that the girl will leave if you’ve engaged her properly…if I’m approval seeking/needy and Julien pulls on her hand, she’ll go with him, but if I’m on my game it’s safe.”

Tyler knows to turn them around to face away from Julien, then he hands him one of them and gets up in his girl’s face to take over her RAS. LOGICALLY she should want to fuck Julien too, BOTH of them should be going for Julien and ignoring Tyler because Tyler isn’t as good looking.

But Tyler knows to take over her emotions…listen to her giggling uncontrollably when he picks her up and is swaying with her (subtly turning her away from Julien to cut him out of her reality because he KNOWS that she lives in the moment and will forget Julien exists the second she doesn’t see him, the same way a girl will forget her friends exist if they aren’t in her direct line of sight when she’s attracted (so you can makeout easier than if she sees her friends watching)). Is she thinking about ANYTHING in that moment except “holy shit this guy is crazy!!!” and going on an emotional rollercoaster?

If some guy in a suit walked by in the background would these girls ever notice? No, these girls are CAPTIVATED by Tyler and Julien beacuse they’re speaking to their subconscious brain spiking their emotions.

Now those of us who are going out and testing this shit out are coming up with the explanation of it being that 0.00001% difference between whether Julien or Tyler takes the girl, or whether that girl stays with the douchebros or rejects them or whether her blondie sisterm comes when Tyler says to or stays with the douchebro.

If you have a BETTER explanation, I’m all ears, I haven’t read nearly as much evo psych stuff etc so maybe there’s some awesome way to describe why this happens all the time with the consistent patterns I’m describing.

But all I’m reporting is that the data we are experiencing in-field doesn’t align with the paradigm of looks being important when you run proper game, or girls “fantasizing about a stripper with a 6-pack in a suit fucking her” having any kind of relevance once that bell dings and the fight starts.

I’ve linked this before but here’s another good one:

Watch the way the AMOGs become invisible to the girls. Objectively the big black dude is probably more alpha and attractive and jacked than this scrawny dirty looking guy, and the other black guy is dressed up all nice while the white guy is just wearing ugly skater shit. But watch the girls.

Do they give a FUCK about those other guys they were just talking to once this guy starts pumping their Buying Temperature? No. He blows their BT so high that it fries their circuits and they run off (they don’t run to the other objectively better looking dudes (one of them well dressed for the era (this was mid-2000s), they run off away from all of them because they need time away from stimulus for their BT to drop back down (the guy ran it through the roof for the footage (that’s why he says buying temperature and applauds himself at the end beacuse capturing that circuit-frying on camera back then THAT blatantly was sick) but in-field you would normally pull back slightly so you can keep them from frying and then just compliance test and pull them away from the other guys etc etc no problem)).

Watch the guy at 35 seconds trying to hold court and no one gives a fuck about him, he’s invisible now, and then watch his face a couple seconds later when he sees the girls’ BT spike off the charts, he has NO IDEA wtf is going on or what wizardry this little scrawny white rat-looking guy is doing to make that happen.

Beacuse a minute ago he WAS holding court, and if this guy didn’t come up and blow him out he might have fucked one of those girls…but the second the PUA comes in and starts making EMOTIONAL IMPACT on the girls (from the specific BT-spiking routines he’s using to having a camera to draw their attention to positioning themselves so that the girls are facing away from the AMOG so he’s cut out of the interaction etc) that guy goes invisible.

Were those girls fantasizing about this scrawny rat-guy fucking them? Is that what they do when they play with themselves at night, picture THIS guy? He’s their sexy fantasy? No, but it doesn’t matter. Attraction isn’t a choice. If the guy these girls had been talking to had been their dream ideal looks-wise man who was also super alpha and rich, then he might have a little tougher battle and have to pull out some more hardcore tactics, but they will react the same way these girls react because this is just how women’s brains WORK.

Here’s the step by step breakdown of most of the dynamics going on in this clip so you know what’s happening from a PUA perspective, this is how our brain views interactions, we notice all these dynamics because we go out so much that this stuff becomes second nature to our brain and we don’t have to consciously think about it the way we did when we started out:

People will say this is over-thinking it but that’s because they don’t understand the dynamics of what just happened.

Would those girls have been any MORE receptive to him if he had some orange blazer on? Would their emotions have spiked any faster, would they have ignored the other guys any faster if this guy was jacked with expensive shoes? No, these girls couldn’t even tell you what kind of shoes this guy had ON because they’re 100% focused on the emotions he’s giving them and the interaction, not looking around the room for better looking guys or at his shoes to try to disqualify him.

This is why I say I think a lot of the guys who don’t get what I’m saying are guys who aren’t making emotional impacts on women. They’re hitting -5/+5 reactions, not -10/+10 and probably haven’t even SEEN guys purposely creating -10/+10 emotional rollercoasters live in-field before so they can’t relate to what that does to girls.

So like I’ve said a million times: as long as a guy who’s running GOOD game doesn’t come in, yes, the looks guy has a good chance of getting the girl. But that guy is not even remotely prepared to handle the shit that we learn to drop in sets, because that guy has relied on his looks and hasn’t had to deal with guys interfering before because most of the time guys step back and let that guy have the girl.

That all said: you can figure out a way to explain what’s happening and I’ll happily back it as long as it fits the data that we’re finding in-field. If it doesn’t fit the data, then “the sky is blue” and “you should wear a suit” are no longer accurate statements and need to be revisited.

We don’t CARE about sticking to a specific theory. We just want to get guys laid. I don’t charge anyone for anything, I’m not trying to convert my friends to some cult mindset. If tomorrow we all started finding out that looks matter and that wearing an orange blazer made a significant impact we would be the FIRST ONES to tell guys “go out and buy an orange blazer”. But the cold hard data coming out of the field is “that shit is insignificant, handle it at the most basic level to not be socially retarded and then drop it and focus on game”.

When a guy is heavily invested in externals mattering (whether it’s fashion, looks, money, muscles, a nice car, etc) it instantly tells me “this is a guy who probably isn’t running game with much emotional impact and his buddies probably aren’t either if girls are passing them up for him because of his orange blazer…she’s doing that because like a girl on a dating site the guys aren’t expressing enough personality and making an emotional impact on her so she’s bored and starting to filter them through “is he a doctor? does he have a 6-pack?” filters like a dating site”.

@CaveClown
“YaReally, and whoever else, if there were 5 or so resources for game that you figure would be required reading (or watching) what would they be?”

This is the path I’d send guys down:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/4/#comment-heartiste-659661

“Day game is where it is at for me. I talk to women a lot, but like the dentist in one of the videos YaReally posted, I am pegged as provider. In other words I’m polite and boring.”

Check out Julien’s PIMP stuff (I posted it in that link). You need to make more emotional impact on her. When you can do that, add in less provider shit like say you have a worse job than you do or don’t talk about it, don’t pay for drinks or anything, screen them harder so they feel like they have to impress you instead of being the ones to judge whether you deserve them, get them reacting to YOU instead of YOU reacting to THEM. Some of it is internal mindsets (like that it’s okay to not be polite or to be more sexual), some of it is external (like talking about sexual subjects etc).

@Bromeo
“One of the reasons why I fully stopped reading anything PUA when I found RP. Once you transcend past the basics you don’t need to break down value into category’s, its all simply a part of your singular identity.”

lol as long as you’re getting the results you want it’s all good, do your thing. But some guys need more help or have different goals that require a more tactical understanding of the dynamics. Most Naturals don’t think about tactics at all and it works just fine for them. They’re still executing the same dynamics, they’re just not thinking about it because they go by feel. That’s also why they often have blindspots and weaknesses a guy with tactics can learn to exploitπŸ˜› lol

@CaveClown
“It makes it hard to pass just being in a marriage at all. By definition she has lots of power in the relationship”

Yup. This is why I rail against marriage. The very act of marriage itself (or moving in with a girl or promising monogamy) is voluntarily giving up your ability to walk away at a moment’s notice, which inherently takes away the thing that MAKES YOU ATTRACTIVE lol Like, to make THAT work you either gotta be lucky as fuck and beat all the odds, or fashion a lifestyle like Rollo’s where your career and social life inherently have basic “dread game” built into them. It doesn’t have to be MUCH, you don’t have to be out tearing up a kiddie nightclub every weekend at age 50, but like, if she knows you work with hot promo models who like older men etc it’s a lot easier to keep her appreciating what she’s lucky to have which is better for BOTH parties in the relationship (aka she WANTS to worry a LITTLE bit ’cause she instinctively knows having to worry reinforces that she has a high-value man).

Men NEED to understand this shit because society is designed to push men into marriage before they even hit 30+ and actually come into their REAL value and suddenly have <25yo pussy throwing themselves at them, and society is hoping it can lock them into providing for a chick and family before he figures that shit out…because once he figures it out, why would he settle down?

Great for society, terrible for the men who get duped into marriage thinking "true love lasts forever". A guy who understands all this red pill shit could possibly walk into a marriage-esque situation and do alright because he understands all the dynamics (again see Rollo), but like, most guys are still voluntarily begging for more blue pills and heading off to the slaughter.

"Reading through the yareally archives, he made mention of men making choices based off personality and life circumstance. Lots of women or maybe just a “steady girl or three”

That is really appealing to me. Steady girl(s) but never giving the keys to the kingdom to her by way of marriage. Why sabotage your own frame?"

Patrice O'Neal talks about this stuff a lot. Check my archive for "pLTR" where I go into my current optimal relationship design that I think solves most problems that monogamy/marriage create. Also I write a lot about oLTRs and mLTRs. And there's this great video by Tyler on creating relationships based on where you are in life (he's has a baby mama for years and has 3-somes with her and with his primary fuckbuddies etc):

Blackdragon's stuff is another great resource, dude is on-point about a lot of the dynamics and shit involved in making that work.

Personally I was INFINITELY more happy having a Primary, with two Secondaries, and random ONS/casual-FBs, going out once or twice a week with buddies and meeting more girls.

But I'm even happier single right now. πŸ˜‰ lol

@SJF
"The Mindful Attraction Plan was written before you stopped endorsing him for good reason. It is streamlined, written for males in a shitty relationships, is practical and helped me regain control of my relationship through masculine self improvement. I’d not waste time on anything else by Athol Kay. And MAP only for those that that have a problem LTR."

I don't know anything about the politics but someone should archive that MAP shit incase it ever gets taken down if he's going some different route, because what I saw of the MAP looked rock solid for guys in deadbedroom marriages and the forums I skimmed looked like guys were having the success I would expect based on what the MAP promotes. No idea on Athol or what he pushes now but that specific MAP stuff I looked at I was like "this is a thing I would definitely recommend to deadbedroom buddies".

A lot of guys have shitty negative sides to them where it's like "ehhh I wish this person wasn't such a shitty person" but their work is still solid. I try not to let my opinion of them as a person taint their work if their work holds up in-field. There are a few guys I've seen where they've done stuff that I'm like "ok that person isn't a great person, BUT their work is solid and useful to guys learning so it's not worth bringing up the drama". If their views/mindsets start tainting their work and changing it to something less useful or damaging to new guys though, then I'd bring it up.

@Forge the Sky
"He had an LTR who didn’t mind him taking 3-6 month breaks to get it out with other women. As he said, “I love her. I enjoy other women.”"

Yup. As I've said before when I talk about oLTRs and pLTRs etc, a girl's main worry isn't that you might fuck another girl, her main worry is that you'll REPLACE her with that other girl. Giving your Primary special priveleges and having a very defined heirarchy that you make girls you're seeing aware that they're in solves a lot of problems…that Primary just needs to know that you aren't going to fuck some porn chick and then dump her for her and take away the future she was envisioning.

That's why you can always go toward being MORE committed, but you can't easily go toward being LESS committed. You can go from banging tons of girls and having 3-somes with your girl to just having monogamy with your girl, but it's very difficult and often impossible to go from monogamy with your girl to having 3-somes and banging a bunch of porn chicks on the side without causing massive drama. So guys have to understand this stuff BEFORE they get into a relationship.

"most girls won’t get into relationships like this, but it’s a lot more possible than you’d guess if you never give girls a vibe that that’s what you’re looking for. They’re not going to tell you that you can do that."

This is key. Tyler talks about this in that video I linked near the middle/end when he's talking about Lil' Wayne. A LOT more girls, esp in 2015, are down for this shit than guys thing. The problem is if you're coming off like that provider dentist guy, you won't get to see that side of her and you'll either think she's a unicorn or frigid or NAWALT etc but the reality is you just don't know how to bring that side out of her. That's what learning game is for. πŸ˜‰

@Andy
"Basically I’m looking to improve my social game. Small talk is like kryptonite to me. I’d rather gouge out my eyeballs than talk about the fucking weather. I can be gregarious and witty around people I know, but when I’m talking to people I don’t know my mind goes blank. Because quite frankly I don’t give a shit about people I don’t know. Obviously it’s a catch 22 though because then I’ll never meet new people. "

Juggler Method might be a decent read for you. It's about making small talk more interesting pretty much lol I'm in the same boat as you in that I hate boring small talk and I don't really care what the girl does for a living. I've found it helps (and helps build rapport/comfort with people) to focus on more interesting emotional/impactful/controversial questions. Like I don't want to ask some dude I meet when I'm out "so what do you do for a living?" because I don't really care, that's just fluff it doesn't really tell me much about who he is. So instead I might ask something like "man that girl over there is like a 10 to me, I think I'm just a sucker for blondes. What about you? Blondes? Brunettes? Redheads?" where he has to drop outside of the standard small talk routine and risk saying something inappropriate and let down his social shield a little. Or if I'm talking about work I won't ask him like, "so do you like working there?" Instead I might ask "have you ever thought of venturing off and running your own business in that field? Or do you like the whole structured regimine thing? I have a buddy who loves that he gets to check out at 5pm every day and not think about work, and another buddy of mine is an entrepreneur who's just working his ass off 24/7 and never comes out because of it." and from there he'll be telling me about what makes him tick instead of just giving me factual data.

Another thing I try to do is get people to teach me ONE interesting thing about their job or their life. Like oh you're a dentist, tell me something no one knows about dentists etc And try to get them to come up with something interesting that 1) gives them value to you because they taught you an interesting little "factoid" and 2) you can use that in future conversations with other people when the topic of dentistry or teeth or whatever comes up.

RSDJulien likes to fuck with girls by asking them really inappropriate shit like "do you believe in god?" or "if you had to choose between fucking a homeless man, or blowing a dog for 10 seconds, which would you choose?" and escalating it, but I don't recommend that approach lol

@longgone
"Finally read some of your archives…Do you have your own site or only discuss this stuff here and on other blogs such as CH, etc.?"

Everything I write gets auto-posted to yareallyarchive.com Lumpy from over at CH set it all up like a boss out of the goodness of his heart. I mostly just hang here and at CH but CH is basically a politics/race hub these days (there was a point where there was literally like 10 politics/race articles in a row) and I don't have an interest in that kind of stuff so I haven't been checking it out much. Plus I'm pretty busy these days so I just drop in when I get a free day or two where I can blast 500000 pages of debating orange blazers and then vanish again lol


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
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@SJF
Missed this comment but this is a good comment overall:

http://therationalmale.com/2015/09/16/a-man-in-demand-conference-the-review/comment-page-3/#comment-118824

And ya, a lot of what we promote is pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone. As Julien describes it: “Being outside of your comfort zone IS your new comfort zone.” We push guys to go out because we KNOW they want to just stay in their comfort zone. It’s safe and easy and simple and life makes sense. That’s why a newbie will choose to hit the gym and read some fashion blogs instead of go approach a hot girl in a mixed set, because those things are nice and safe and in his comfort zone in comparison to walking up to a hot girl and trying to mack on her. Hell, his ability to succeed at that isn’t even something he can ENVISION when he starts out, that’s something only cool guys and guys in movies can do, not HIM.

And he’ll be right, if he doesn’t push his comfort zone and start building his way toward changing that.

How do you keep the game interesting after 5+ years? How do I, 8 years in, still look forward to going out every week? How does Tyler still go out 5+ nights a week and love it? Isn’t it just the same routine monotony? It CAN be, if you stop challenging yourself and start just sticking to your comfort zone.

You can ALWAYS break out of your comfort zone, whether it’s wearing something you don’t normally wear, purposely handicapping yourself, approaching harder sets, approaching sets that shouldn’t be possible, making your escalation faster, trying purposely to break limiting beliefs, there’s all sorts of shit you can do out there to keep the game fun.

But what a lot of guys who end up where Roosh is do, where they’re bitter and jaded about the game, is they find the one set of routines/techniques that works for them, and then they just do that every single night forever. And ya, that DOES turn into a grind. But if you constantly push yourself out of your comfort zone, you’re always having new interesting experiences and forcing your brain to adapt in the moment to new circumstances and building a better sense of self-reliance and capability because you survive the situation and learn a bunch about yourself and grow.

This is a great talk and it applies to other areas too (career, gym, hobbies, etc).

@Rollo
“He’s the epitome of anti-Game. I’d be interested in your thoughts.”

Irrelevant fluff that just helps feed guys’ victim complexes so they can blame this stuff instead of their own lack of action/challenging themselves.

The online stuff is irrelevant because like I say, online doesn’t demonstrate your personality/vibe/body-language and a bunch of subcomms etc. No girl is DREAMING about fucking Tyler, no girl is swiping Right on Tyler with a picture of his balding ginger head lol They’re swiping right based on looks online.

But that’s irrelevant in-field. I tell my non-traditionally good-looking buddies to not even bother with online it’ll just fuck with their self-esteem because the girls are looking for their perfect prince charming 6’4″ chisled jaw white guy online because why wouldn’t they? I’m going to swipe right on all the 10s lol

In-person all that that shit goes out the window once you get up in her grill and make her emotionally react to you and flip the switches Mystery outlines like social proof, preselection, leader of men, dominance, tonality, etc etc

It’s like if I offer you the choice between a million dollars or a thousand dollars, you’ll take a million dollars. That’s online dating. But if I offer you the choice between a million dollars and your balls literally chopped off, or a thousand dollars and a back massage, that million dollars suddenly isn’t as appealing and that thousand dollars is a lot more appealing. That’s IN-FIELD dynamics. You don’t dream about having a thousand dollars, you dream about having a million dollars, and taking that thousand dollars doesn’t mean a million dollars doesn’t still appeal to you, it’s just not relevant what appeals to you because that thousand dollars, in that moment, is the more appealing option.

So this guy has put in a lot of work to something that’s just kind of a waste of time lol

The only interesting part was this video which actually shows something I’m talking about (and these videos are HILARIOUS, they’re just to feed into guys “SEE I KNEW IT!!” victim complex lol there are tons of vids of PUAs doing all this shit infield and no one is interfering with this guy (like I said, these guys do great as long as no one with game interrupts):

Anyway skip specifically to 0:56. This guy is with this girl and she’s into him right? But this OTHER guy comes up, and I’m not into dudes but objectively this other guy is more outgoing/social, more energetic, and like an inch taller, and also well dressed, good looking face, apparently charming etc.

Why doesn’t she switch to him? Or more importantly why if they replayed those exact same actions over and over again, would the girl NEVER switch to him?

Turn off the volume and watch their body language. The second guy is facing the first guy while the first guy faces away. The second guy leans in and the first guy puts his hand up and stops him. Who’s more reactive? Who’s reacting to who? The energy guy is yapping like a squirrel while the other guy spends half the interaction just staring off into space giving him minor amounts of attention and never faces him with his body. Half his responses are just one word or a shrug until he makes an important point.

That’s that 0.00001% in action and girls NOTICE that. That’s why that girl doesn’t switch to the other guy, because he’s 0.00001% more reactive to this first guy than this first guy is to him. In any interaction someone is always reacting to the other person, that’s just how human interaction plays out.

Most guys would look at this clip and go “that girl would take either one of those guys” but that’s because they aren’t looking at these subtle subcommunications that are telling the girl “stay with this guy”.

At 1:50 the second guy comes back and physically manhandles the first guy a bit and runs off and normally it would be like “oh he AMOG’ed him”, but the AMOG’ing isn’t based on what that second guy does it’s based on how the first guy REACTS to what that second guy does and as you can see the first guy gives no fucks and is unreactive to it.

Whoever reacts to the other person is lower value. Girls need to be able to spot this so they know they have the highest-value guy. That’s also why I stress a guy with GOOD GAME. The second guy broke the rules about being reactive and leaning in and shit while the other guy held to the rules instinctively. The girl doesn’t NOT switch to the second guy because he’s “ugly” or not dressed as well, she doesn’t switch because his game is weak and she can tell that the first guy is higher value.

That second guy WILL get girls, if the first guy doesn’t interfere, but if you put a girl in the room and said “who do you put your money on getting the girl if these two guys go after her” my money will be on the first guy if they’re in the interaction with this same energy. If the first guy has too many redbulls so he’s too reactive or just got dumped so he feels insecure and not as confident/entitled and you put him in a suit and the other guy is wearing a t-shirt and tired from fucking a model all night so he’s less unreactive and is putting out more high-value subcomms, and the video is shit like the first guy facing the second guy and leaning in while the second guy barely acknowledges him, then my money goes on the second guy, even though objectively speaking they’re both good looking dudes and the other guy has a suit. Because I know the girl will be reading their subcomms and that’s the shit that actually matters in-field.

The rest of those videos is just guys macking girls with no interference, nothing special and nothing that contradicts what I’m saying but lets all the guys who don’t go out blame those jerk good looking guys for why they can’t get laid.

But I’ll bet the guy running that site could never describe to you what’s happening in that little value-battle those two guys may not even realize they had in front of that girl.

And the reason he’ll never look at those dynamics is because 1) he doesn’t go out, 2) he doesn’t go out and try to take girls off these guys, 3) he doesn’t befriend these guys and watch them fail and look for patterns and weaknesses in their game, and 4) it doesn’t fit his narrative that the sky is blue so he’ll dismiss the photos of an orange sky.

All I’m saying is that we are out there collecting tons of photos of orange skies and I have to call out “the sky is blue” thinking when I see it because it’s simply inaccurate based on the data anyone can collect if they go out and do what we’re doing (which they won’t).


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
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@SJF
Missed this comment but this is a good comment overall:

https://therationalmale.com/2015/09/16/a-man-in-demand-conference-the-review/comment-page-3/#comment-118824

And ya, a lot of what we promote is pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone. As Julien describes it: “Being outside of your comfort zone IS your new comfort zone.” We push guys to go out because we KNOW they want to just stay in their comfort zone. It’s safe and easy and simple and life makes sense. That’s why a newbie will choose to hit the gym and read some fashion blogs instead of go approach a hot girl in a mixed set, because those things are nice and safe and in his comfort zone in comparison to walking up to a hot girl and trying to mack on her. Hell, his ability to succeed at that isn’t even something he can ENVISION when he starts out, that’s something only cool guys and guys in movies can do, not HIM.

And he’ll be right, if he doesn’t push his comfort zone and start building his way toward changing that.

How do you keep the game interesting after 5+ years? How do I, 8 years in, still look forward to going out every week? How does Tyler still go out 5+ nights a week and love it? Isn’t it just the same routine monotony? It CAN be, if you stop challenging yourself and start just sticking to your comfort zone.

You can ALWAYS break out of your comfort zone, whether it’s wearing something you don’t normally wear, purposely handicapping yourself, approaching harder sets, approaching sets that shouldn’t be possible, making your escalation faster, trying purposely to break limiting beliefs, there’s all sorts of shit you can do out there to keep the game fun.

But what a lot of guys who end up where Roosh is do, where they’re bitter and jaded about the game, is they find the one set of routines/techniques that works for them, and then they just do that every single night forever. And ya, that DOES turn into a grind. But if you constantly push yourself out of your comfort zone, you’re always having new interesting experiences and forcing your brain to adapt in the moment to new circumstances and building a better sense of self-reliance and capability because you survive the situation and learn a bunch about yourself and grow.

This is a great talk and it applies to other areas too (career, gym, hobbies, etc).

@Rollo
“He’s the epitome of anti-Game. I’d be interested in your thoughts.”

Irrelevant fluff that just helps feed guys’ victim complexes so they can blame this stuff instead of their own lack of action/challenging themselves.

The online stuff is irrelevant because like I say, online doesn’t demonstrate your personality/vibe/body-language and a bunch of subcomms etc. No girl is DREAMING about fucking Tyler, no girl is swiping Right on Tyler with a picture of his balding ginger head lol They’re swiping right based on looks online.

But that’s irrelevant in-field. I tell my non-traditionally good-looking buddies to not even bother with online it’ll just fuck with their self-esteem because the girls are looking for their perfect prince charming 6’4″ chisled jaw white guy online because why wouldn’t they? I’m going to swipe right on all the 10s lol

In-person all that that shit goes out the window once you get up in her grill and make her emotionally react to you and flip the switches Mystery outlines like social proof, preselection, leader of men, dominance, tonality, etc etc

It’s like if I offer you the choice between a million dollars or a thousand dollars, you’ll take a million dollars. That’s online dating. But if I offer you the choice between a million dollars and your balls literally chopped off, or a thousand dollars and a back massage, that million dollars suddenly isn’t as appealing and that thousand dollars is a lot more appealing. That’s IN-FIELD dynamics. You don’t dream about having a thousand dollars, you dream about having a million dollars, and taking that thousand dollars doesn’t mean a million dollars doesn’t still appeal to you, it’s just not relevant what appeals to you because that thousand dollars, in that moment, is the more appealing option.

So this guy has put in a lot of work to something that’s just kind of a waste of time lol

The only interesting part was this video which actually shows something I’m talking about (and these videos are HILARIOUS, they’re just to feed into guys “SEE I KNEW IT!!” victim complex lol there are tons of vids of PUAs doing all this shit infield and no one is interfering with this guy (like I said, these guys do great as long as no one with game interrupts):

Anyway skip specifically to 0:56. This guy is with this girl and she’s into him right? But this OTHER guy comes up, and I’m not into dudes but objectively this other guy is more outgoing/social, more energetic, and like an inch taller, and also well dressed, good looking face, apparently charming etc.

Why doesn’t she switch to him? Or more importantly why if they replayed those exact same actions over and over again, would the girl NEVER switch to him?

Turn off the volume and watch their body language. The second guy is facing the first guy while the first guy faces away. The second guy leans in and the first guy puts his hand up and stops him. Who’s more reactive? Who’s reacting to who? The energy guy is yapping like a squirrel while the other guy spends half the interaction just staring off into space giving him minor amounts of attention and never faces him with his body. Half his responses are just one word or a shrug until he makes an important point.

That’s that 0.00001% in action and girls NOTICE that. That’s why that girl doesn’t switch to the other guy, because he’s 0.00001% more reactive to this first guy than this first guy is to him. In any interaction someone is always reacting to the other person, that’s just how human interaction plays out.

Most guys would look at this clip and go “that girl would take either one of those guys” but that’s because they aren’t looking at these subtle subcommunications that are telling the girl “stay with this guy”.

At 1:50 the second guy comes back and physically manhandles the first guy a bit and runs off and normally it would be like “oh he AMOG’ed him”, but the AMOG’ing isn’t based on what that second guy does it’s based on how the first guy REACTS to what that second guy does and as you can see the first guy gives no fucks and is unreactive to it.

Whoever reacts to the other person is lower value. Girls need to be able to spot this so they know they have the highest-value guy. That’s also why I stress a guy with GOOD GAME. The second guy broke the rules about being reactive and leaning in and shit while the other guy held to the rules instinctively. The girl doesn’t NOT switch to the second guy because he’s “ugly” or not dressed as well, she doesn’t switch because his game is weak and she can tell that the first guy is higher value.

That second guy WILL get girls, if the first guy doesn’t interfere, but if you put a girl in the room and said “who do you put your money on getting the girl if these two guys go after her” my money will be on the first guy if they’re in the interaction with this same energy. If the first guy has too many redbulls so he’s too reactive or just got dumped so he feels insecure and not as confident/entitled and you put him in a suit and the other guy is wearing a t-shirt and tired from fucking a model all night so he’s less unreactive and is putting out more high-value subcomms, and the video is shit like the first guy facing the second guy and leaning in while the second guy barely acknowledges him, then my money goes on the second guy, even though objectively speaking they’re both good looking dudes and the other guy has a suit. Because I know the girl will be reading their subcomms and that’s the shit that actually matters in-field.

The rest of those videos is just guys macking girls with no interference, nothing special and nothing that contradicts what I’m saying but lets all the guys who don’t go out blame those jerk good looking guys for why they can’t get laid.

But I’ll bet the guy running that site could never describe to you what’s happening in that little value-battle those two guys may not even realize they had in front of that girl.

And the reason he’ll never look at those dynamics is because 1) he doesn’t go out, 2) he doesn’t go out and try to take girls off these guys, 3) he doesn’t befriend these guys and watch them fail and look for patterns and weaknesses in their game, and 4) it doesn’t fit his narrative that the sky is blue so he’ll dismiss the photos of an orange sky.

All I’m saying is that we are out there collecting tons of photos of orange skies and I have to call out “the sky is blue” thinking when I see it because it’s simply inaccurate based on the data anyone can collect if they go out and do what we’re doing (which they won’t).


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
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@Rollo
“I’d really like to hear your thoughts on Siirtyrion’s studies that contradict this:”

Sure, I’ve never seen his site before.

https://sirtyrionlannister.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/women-prioritize-social-status-popular-myth-debunked-part-i/

Jesus that was wordy. If I’m reading it right, I don’t think I disagree with the jist of what he’s saying (tbh I’m mostly skimming it lol). It looks like he’s saying pretty much what we all say: women don’t care as much about Providership (esp in their youth) because there’s no punishment (financial societal physical etc) for not valuing Provider attributes these days and the media is pumping women’s brains full of delusional beliefs that warp their sense of what they can/should be going for (or as I describe it feeding their subconscious brain faulty data).

The problem with the guy’s view going by his big focus on looks is that it seems (again I could be wrong I’m just skimming) like his view is something like “well if they aren’t selecting for Providership then they must be selecting for PHYSICAL LOOKS”. He’s not taking into account all the subcomm shit that makes a guy “alpha”, from dominance to tonality to body-language to kino to handling shit-tests to causing emotional reactions in girls to push/pull to DHV’ing leadership of men preselection social proof etc etc.

Like “looks” doesn’t encompass what’s attractive to women. There’s a reason 50 Shades sold like crazy, it wasn’t a picture-book full of ripped 6-pack ab guys, it was a descriptive fantasy of a guy with tons of alpha characteristics fucking the shit out of a girl. From this guy’s paradigm, that book shouldn’t have sold, and every chick in America should have 3 DVD copies of the movie because it has a good-looking guy in it.

If that’s an accurate assessment of his view, it’s the view of a guy who doesn’t really understand what’s attractive to women (based on what makes them soak their panties in the moment, not based on what they fill out in a survey).

https://sirtyrionlannister.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/women-prioritize-statuswealth-or-attractiveness-empirical-approach/

He’s at least aware that these experiments and stuff are all faulty. Infield hidden-cam PUA video is really the best shit to capture REAL reactions from girls with this stuff. Online dating profile shit and who girls message is just fluff that has no relevance infield. It’s like if I only showed you a dozen pictures of different girl’s boobs and said “ok which girls do you want to fuck?” You would pick the nicest looking boobs. But infield you would find a lot of those nice boobs have bucktoothed fucked up faces or are fat as fuck. You couldn’t tell that online from the very small amount of info I made you choose based on, but infield even tho you picked the chick with the giant tits you aren’t going to go home with her 300lbs ass and bucktoothed face even if you REALLY LIKE girls with big tits. You want those big tits on a better body/face and you’ll go home with the girl with slightly smaller tits who has a gorgeous face and body.

Keys to the VIP is another good show where this shit falls apart. Hidden cams in a nightclub doing cold-approaches, lots of good looking rich jacked dudes who can’t close to save their fucking lives because their game is so weak even WITH no obstacles. The theory just doesn’t hold up. Yes lots of them get laid but lots of them crash and burn HARD when “theory” says they should be succeeding. And then scruffy scrawny little Cajun comes in and wipes the floor with everyone blowing the judges’ minds running standard PUA game. It’s a great show, everyone studying pickup should watch it, check on YouTube or torrent it.

Ironically this is the exact type of guy who would probably be the one spamming infield vids saying “PAID ACTRESSES!! SO OBVIOUS DUHHH” because 1) it doesn’t fit into his reality that most PUA infield footage is nothing special if you’re going out and applying solid game you can do it yourself it just looks unbelievable/fake if you don’t go out and learn to do this shit first-hand (if you told me half the shit I would accomplish in this area back before I found PUA or even in my first year or two of it I would have just laughed at you because it would be such an absurd notion to me), and 2) he probably doesn’t go out so it all would look fake to him…and yet the “good looking guy kissing girls” video will get hailed up as an example of “SEE this backs up my data!!” because it fits his paradigm…but those vids are just pics of a blue sky. I want to see him address all the orange sky pics and see how those fit into his paradigm. “oh those girls were all just drunk bar sluts” “what about this daytime vid where Tyler has a 3-way makeout?” “well uhh that girl’s just a paid actress!!” “what about these other vids doing the same shit” “all paid actresses!!!! QUIT SENDING ME THESE!!! AHHHHH!!!”

“But an interesting solution to this predicament has recently appeared with the emergence of “online-dating” and speed-dating”.”

“These empirical researchs prove that women (like men) prefer mates of high attractiveness rather than that similar to their own”

…ya, I think I’ll stick to infield data involving hot girls and high-value guys lol Before I do that though, I’ll write a long paper about how I’ve observed a bunch of amputees with no legs and determine that people prefer to ride in wheelchairs over walking.

On a more serious note, the problem with the data he’s using (ie – online and speed-dating) is that it’s the exact same thing as online dating but in 3d form: these guys have no game so in the absense of game (which is what an online profile is) ya the girl will choose the better looking guy. But even ugly Tyler wearing sneakers and sweatpants would destroy all these nerds. This guy’s data is nonsense fluff that has no relevance to how attraction and value play out infield when you bring in social dynamics.

Like on Tinder, which boils it down to literally just “would you fuck this person based on their pic yes or no”, the good-looking guys will clean up, no one will swipe Left on Tyler. But infield those same girls will make out with Tyler and go home with him because infield all these other dynamics come into play.

Like Tyler said way back in his super cocky early days “These scientists who write that shit DON’T GET LAID. And if they do it’s not because of their research that tells them to mirror her body language and release their pheromones. How do you think these guys in their ivory towers would even wrap their heads around the shit I’m doing, watching me break all their rules and getting laid. The shit I’m teaching you will be studied academically down the road.”

And it will be, and slowly is being studied, except that to study a lot of this stuff is 1) pretty much impossible to design an experiment for that doesn’t involve doing shit that the majority of people would have a lot of moral issues with, and 2) would fuck the fabric of society up. There’s a reason France has banned paternity testing “for the sake of families”. No one wants to know that their wife will blow a Tyler in a dirty bar bathroom on her girl’s night out because you didn’t make her worried you were going to leave her enough. No one wants that to be reality! That’s why guys reject the red pill and reject infield footage etc. It’s too depressing for the average person to hear that shit.

Like Tyler says “Society MUST Stay Orderly” (also the point he makes at the start about like “will I EVER have a smile on my face like this girl has on hers, about ANYTHING in my life?? Do you think anyone in her day to day life has ANY IDEA she would react like this and fuck me??” is an important point relating to all this shit about what women say or what people think women will/should do, and what girls ACTUALLY DO infield in the moment):

“I’m not dropping these here to put you on the spot – I’ve rebutted Siirtyrion myself – I’m genuinely interested in your take.”

lol it’s all good. I’m genuinely curious to hear how you would explain Tyler pulling girls away from those taller better looking deeper-voiced dudes, the scruffy white guy with the black dudes, the nerdy brown/asian dudes from Simple Pickup etc. Like, I know you aren’t a fan of the 0.0001% thing, but do you have an explanation that accounts for the pictures of an orange sky that I’m posting that fits into the Tanner “get yourself fashion sense” and “girls fantasize about 6-pack strippers” ideas? Like with those things in mind, if looks and assets are pretty much on the same level as game (VS my 50 periods thing where I say game is FAR beyond looks and assets in terms of getting laid), how do those things happen? How can I, say, pay 10 girls to fawn over a guy in a t-shirt and have that guy get attention of the other girls in the room over the better looking guy beside him who’s standing by himself? Why does that guy consistently get attention instead of the good-looking guy in the suit if the model you guys are promoting is accurate?

Like I’m legitimately open to explanations that don’t contradict the videos and what we’re all seeing/experiencing when we go out and sarge. The 0.0001% and vast superiority of game over looks/assets is just the best way I know how to explain it.


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
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@Rollo
“I’d really like to hear your thoughts on Siirtyrion’s studies that contradict this:”

Sure, I’ve never seen his site before.

https://sirtyrionlannister.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/women-prioritize-social-status-popular-myth-debunked-part-i/

Jesus that was wordy. If I’m reading it right, I don’t think I disagree with the jist of what he’s saying (tbh I’m mostly skimming it lol). It looks like he’s saying pretty much what we all say: women don’t care as much about Providership (esp in their youth) because there’s no punishment (financial societal physical etc) for not valuing Provider attributes these days and the media is pumping women’s brains full of delusional beliefs that warp their sense of what they can/should be going for (or as I describe it feeding their subconscious brain faulty data).

The problem with the guy’s view going by his big focus on looks is that it seems (again I could be wrong I’m just skimming) like his view is something like “well if they aren’t selecting for Providership then they must be selecting for PHYSICAL LOOKS”. He’s not taking into account all the subcomm shit that makes a guy “alpha”, from dominance to tonality to body-language to kino to handling shit-tests to causing emotional reactions in girls to push/pull to DHV’ing leadership of men preselection social proof etc etc.

Like “looks” doesn’t encompass what’s attractive to women. There’s a reason 50 Shades sold like crazy, it wasn’t a picture-book full of ripped 6-pack ab guys, it was a descriptive fantasy of a guy with tons of alpha characteristics fucking the shit out of a girl. From this guy’s paradigm, that book shouldn’t have sold, and every chick in America should have 3 DVD copies of the movie because it has a good-looking guy in it.

If that’s an accurate assessment of his view, it’s the view of a guy who doesn’t really understand what’s attractive to women (based on what makes them soak their panties in the moment, not based on what they fill out in a survey).

https://sirtyrionlannister.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/women-prioritize-statuswealth-or-attractiveness-empirical-approach/

He’s at least aware that these experiments and stuff are all faulty. Infield hidden-cam PUA video is really the best shit to capture REAL reactions from girls with this stuff. Online dating profile shit and who girls message is just fluff that has no relevance infield. It’s like if I only showed you a dozen pictures of different girl’s boobs and said “ok which girls do you want to fuck?” You would pick the nicest looking boobs. But infield you would find a lot of those nice boobs have bucktoothed fucked up faces or are fat as fuck. You couldn’t tell that online from the very small amount of info I made you choose based on, but infield even tho you picked the chick with the giant tits you aren’t going to go home with her 300lbs ass and bucktoothed face even if you REALLY LIKE girls with big tits. You want those big tits on a better body/face and you’ll go home with the girl with slightly smaller tits who has a gorgeous face and body.

Keys to the VIP is another good show where this shit falls apart. Hidden cams in a nightclub doing cold-approaches, lots of good looking rich jacked dudes who can’t close to save their fucking lives because their game is so weak even WITH no obstacles. The theory just doesn’t hold up. Yes lots of them get laid but lots of them crash and burn HARD when “theory” says they should be succeeding. And then scruffy scrawny little Cajun comes in and wipes the floor with everyone blowing the judges’ minds running standard PUA game. It’s a great show, everyone studying pickup should watch it, check on YouTube or torrent it.

Ironically this is the exact type of guy who would probably be the one spamming infield vids saying “PAID ACTRESSES!! SO OBVIOUS DUHHH” because 1) it doesn’t fit into his reality that most PUA infield footage is nothing special if you’re going out and applying solid game you can do it yourself it just looks unbelievable/fake if you don’t go out and learn to do this shit first-hand (if you told me half the shit I would accomplish in this area back before I found PUA or even in my first year or two of it I would have just laughed at you because it would be such an absurd notion to me), and 2) he probably doesn’t go out so it all would look fake to him…and yet the “good looking guy kissing girls” video will get hailed up as an example of “SEE this backs up my data!!” because it fits his paradigm…but those vids are just pics of a blue sky. I want to see him address all the orange sky pics and see how those fit into his paradigm. “oh those girls were all just drunk bar sluts” “what about this daytime vid where Tyler has a 3-way makeout?” “well uhh that girl’s just a paid actress!!” “what about these other vids doing the same shit” “all paid actresses!!!! QUIT SENDING ME THESE!!! AHHHHH!!!”

“But an interesting solution to this predicament has recently appeared with the emergence of “online-dating” and speed-dating”.”

“These empirical researchs prove that women (like men) prefer mates of high attractiveness rather than that similar to their own”

…ya, I think I’ll stick to infield data involving hot girls and high-value guys lol Before I do that though, I’ll write a long paper about how I’ve observed a bunch of amputees with no legs and determine that people prefer to ride in wheelchairs over walking.

On a more serious note, the problem with the data he’s using (ie – online and speed-dating) is that it’s the exact same thing as online dating but in 3d form: these guys have no game so in the absense of game (which is what an online profile is) ya the girl will choose the better looking guy. But even ugly Tyler wearing sneakers and sweatpants would destroy all these nerds. This guy’s data is nonsense fluff that has no relevance to how attraction and value play out infield when you bring in social dynamics.

Like on Tinder, which boils it down to literally just “would you fuck this person based on their pic yes or no”, the good-looking guys will clean up, no one will swipe Left on Tyler. But infield those same girls will make out with Tyler and go home with him because infield all these other dynamics come into play.

Like Tyler said way back in his super cocky early days “These scientists who write that shit DON’T GET LAID. And if they do it’s not because of their research that tells them to mirror her body language and release their pheromones. How do you think these guys in their ivory towers would even wrap their heads around the shit I’m doing, watching me break all their rules and getting laid. The shit I’m teaching you will be studied academically down the road.”

And it will be, and slowly is being studied, except that to study a lot of this stuff is 1) pretty much impossible to design an experiment for that doesn’t involve doing shit that the majority of people would have a lot of moral issues with, and 2) would fuck the fabric of society up. There’s a reason France has banned paternity testing “for the sake of families”. No one wants to know that their wife will blow a Tyler in a dirty bar bathroom on her girl’s night out because you didn’t make her worried you were going to leave her enough. No one wants that to be reality! That’s why guys reject the red pill and reject infield footage etc. It’s too depressing for the average person to hear that shit.

Like Tyler says “Society MUST Stay Orderly” (also the point he makes at the start about like “will I EVER have a smile on my face like this girl has on hers, about ANYTHING in my life?? Do you think anyone in her day to day life has ANY IDEA she would react like this and fuck me??” is an important point relating to all this shit about what women say or what people think women will/should do, and what girls ACTUALLY DO infield in the moment):

“I’m not dropping these here to put you on the spot – I’ve rebutted Siirtyrion myself – I’m genuinely interested in your take.”

lol it’s all good. I’m genuinely curious to hear how you would explain Tyler pulling girls away from those taller better looking deeper-voiced dudes, the scruffy white guy with the black dudes, the nerdy brown/asian dudes from Simple Pickup etc. Like, I know you aren’t a fan of the 0.0001% thing, but do you have an explanation that accounts for the pictures of an orange sky that I’m posting that fits into the Tanner “get yourself fashion sense” and “girls fantasize about 6-pack strippers” ideas? Like with those things in mind, if looks and assets are pretty much on the same level as game (VS my 50 periods thing where I say game is FAR beyond looks and assets in terms of getting laid), how do those things happen? How can I, say, pay 10 girls to fawn over a guy in a t-shirt and have that guy get attention of the other girls in the room over the better looking guy beside him who’s standing by himself? Why does that guy consistently get attention instead of the good-looking guy in the suit if the model you guys are promoting is accurate?

Like I’m legitimately open to explanations that don’t contradict the videos and what we’re all seeing/experiencing when we go out and sarge. The 0.0001% and vast superiority of game over looks/assets is just the best way I know how to explain it.


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
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@Badpainter
““Special circumstances” being things like; after the fifth White Russian, a dare, my friends are being excessively boring.”

Yup. Just like everyone else who’s anchored their “feeling unstifled and free to express myself and chase my desires” to external things. Why can’t you simply just walk in and see a super hot girl and walk over and approach her as you are, dressed like a scrub etc? Because social conditioning has you convinced that “you are not enough”, that you need a bunch of external value for her to view you as “worthy”. You don’t feel “entitled” to her because your entire life everything has conditioned you to not feel entitled to her. You may feel entitled to the drunk HB6 that’s feeling your muscles and telling you she likes your shirt tho. But when you wake up beside her in the morning and the bright light catches her morning-face a lot of guys think back to that hot 9 they saw behind this 6 and think “fuck I wish I had talked to her :(”

“I find that thinking about an approach as an experiment rather than as a step to a goal eliminates all trepidation. Up thread where you talk about field testing it seems like a similar thing where the test or experiment is always a sort of success because the goal is to gather data as much as to get laid. The mental perspective is outcome independent.”

Yup, lots of this stuff helps. Ideally you want to get to a place where you just approach because obviously her life will be improved by interacting with you. But to get there you can mix up a bunch of stuff like this. The difference between MINDSETS and external assets like clothing looks money car etc is that you can lose external assets and external assets can be damaged or become normalized to you and the girl and lose their special value. But your mindsets can serve you all the way to your deathbed lol You can’t control that someone spilled mustard on your new suit in the bar and now you look ridiculous, but you can control that you don’t CARE that you look ridiculous and that that mustard stain actually makes you MORE attractive (why? because you’re awesome, DUH). And when the girl is pinging off you for how you feel about the mustard, and guys are trying to tool you for the mustard, when your frame is unreactive and assumes that you’re awesome, that mustard stain is irrelevant and can even enhance your value BECAUSE it doesn’t bother you (ie – you’re wearing a direct indicator that you can handle social pressure and not be bothered, aka peacocking).

This whole clip is a great listen for you, but for anyone else following the discussion about comfort zones and stuff Julien talks at 6:00 in about how even intermediate guys get “comfortable” in their identities and start stagnating and ego-protecting because they’re scared to push outside of their comfort zone (which again is what I was saying about the Manosphere/TRP guys who find one thing that works and then just do that forever and end up bored/bitter, because they stop challenging themselves):


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
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@Badpainter
““Special circumstances” being things like; after the fifth White Russian, a dare, my friends are being excessively boring.”

Yup. Just like everyone else who’s anchored their “feeling unstifled and free to express myself and chase my desires” to external things. Why can’t you simply just walk in and see a super hot girl and walk over and approach her as you are, dressed like a scrub etc? Because social conditioning has you convinced that “you are not enough”, that you need a bunch of external value for her to view you as “worthy”. You don’t feel “entitled” to her because your entire life everything has conditioned you to not feel entitled to her. You may feel entitled to the drunk HB6 that’s feeling your muscles and telling you she likes your shirt tho. But when you wake up beside her in the morning and the bright light catches her morning-face a lot of guys think back to that hot 9 they saw behind this 6 and think “fuck I wish I had talked to her :(”

“I find that thinking about an approach as an experiment rather than as a step to a goal eliminates all trepidation. Up thread where you talk about field testing it seems like a similar thing where the test or experiment is always a sort of success because the goal is to gather data as much as to get laid. The mental perspective is outcome independent.”

Yup, lots of this stuff helps. Ideally you want to get to a place where you just approach because obviously her life will be improved by interacting with you. But to get there you can mix up a bunch of stuff like this. The difference between MINDSETS and external assets like clothing looks money car etc is that you can lose external assets and external assets can be damaged or become normalized to you and the girl and lose their special value. But your mindsets can serve you all the way to your deathbed lol You can’t control that someone spilled mustard on your new suit in the bar and now you look ridiculous, but you can control that you don’t CARE that you look ridiculous and that that mustard stain actually makes you MORE attractive (why? because you’re awesome, DUH). And when the girl is pinging off you for how you feel about the mustard, and guys are trying to tool you for the mustard, when your frame is unreactive and assumes that you’re awesome, that mustard stain is irrelevant and can even enhance your value BECAUSE it doesn’t bother you (ie – you’re wearing a direct indicator that you can handle social pressure and not be bothered, aka peacocking).

This whole clip is a great listen for you, but for anyone else following the discussion about comfort zones and stuff Julien talks at 6:00 in about how even intermediate guys get “comfortable” in their identities and start stagnating and ego-protecting because they’re scared to push outside of their comfort zone (which again is what I was saying about the Manosphere/TRP guys who find one thing that works and then just do that forever and end up bored/bitter, because they stop challenging themselves):


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
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Here comes a nice big sloppy one lol this is way more than I planned to write, I was going to just link the videos, but all the videos I’ve linked so far haven’t done much to get my point across so here I’m breaking down a ton of sets step by step to show exactly what the difference between GAME and “game” is and why it makes looks irrelevant:

“@YaReally, the reason I have a problem with the 0.0001% thing is that I think Game functions as part of a whole.”

The reason a lot of guys think this is because they don’t really ramp their game up into that -10/+10 level. If say the Beatles came out during a concert in t-shirts, would girls faint any less? No, because at that concert their value is so far through the roof that their clothes don’t matter. They could wear garbage bags and the girls would shit a brick. They aren’t jacked or super tall or anything.

But those girls are at their concert, and to get that famous they started out in suits and that’s what got them noticed so by that point the girls are all bought into them and when they come out on stage in t-shirts it doesn’t matter because their value is crazy high, right?

All that other stuff is irrelevant, that dynamic can be boiled down to: Value trumps looks/clothing.

Rappers are up on stage in baggy shitty outfits all the time. But girls want to fuck them. Why? Because value trumps looks/clothing.

So if we accept that high enough value trumps looks/clothing, then we have to ask “okay so what are ways of demonstrating high value? What IS high-value?”

PUA is designed to give you tools to create high-value by triggering all the subconscious triggers that signal high-value (dominance, preselection, social proof, emotional impact, bla bla).

Can a suit give you game? No. Can muscles give you game? No. Can game give you high value just like (and even MORE-so) than a suit or muscles? Yes.

Are there generally more women in a room who will fuck a guy who has a suit on, or are there generally more women in a room who will fuck a guy who makes their gina tingle with emotional impact that sends them on rollercoasters and watching a guy pass shit-tests while he has a girl on his arm as he slaps the suit guy in her group on the back and chuckles as a hot waitress he flirted with last week runs up to hug him?

Will a suit or muscles make that waitress run up and hug him, be able to handle pass shit-tests (a 6 might not shit-test him, but a 9-10 will because her entire social circle is good looking rich dudes in suits because she’s a hot girl), make him understand AMOG dynamics and how to avoid being tooled and how to tool another guy who’s dressed better than him, and make him know how to neg her and do push/pull to make her chase and feel like she’s earned him, screen her so she knows he’s valuable etc etc?

No.

Will doing all that stuff (aka running proper game) equal at LEAST as much value as having a nice suit on or bigger biceps than a lot of guys but not as big as 4 other guys in the bar? Of course. Unless you believe that Justin Beiber is famous because he’s just a really good singer and because all he wears is suits and he’s built like The Rock and is super sexy to girls and isn’t attractive to girls simply because of the media hyping up his value.

Was Bruce Willis in Die Hard unattractive to women because he was in a dirty wifebeater? Was James Dean in a plain white t-shirt leaning back having a smoke unattractive to women? No, of course not…the actions they were doing (ie – the subcommunications of high-value) made them sexy to women despite their clothes.

Is Justin Beiber in a suit standing hunched over with an insecure look on his face sexier to girls than James Dean in a dirty t-shirt sweating as he fixes a car with a smoke in his mouth?

No? Then logically the suit itself is almost insignificant compared to game. What’s relevant are the subcommunications of high-value the girl is picking up on.

Looks money and game don’t work together. Game compasses all, and looks and money are attributes within game that help, just like social proof and preselection and dominance and tonality etc. They’re just tools that, much like peacocking when you’re out of state and feeling insecure, are a waste infield outside of game. Peacocking loses its value and even becomes negative value if you don’t have the game to handle the social pressure and shit-tests and wear it congruently etc. A suit and muscles lose their value if you don’t have the game to make those things attractive. Otherwise all girls would want to fuck Jay Cutler instead of thinking he’s a mutant freakshow, and all girls would choose Hugh Jackman in a stylish pink suit over Hugh Jackman in a wifebeater sweating and dirty as Wolverine. All male strippers would dress in suits instead of as firemen, cowboys, etc because the suits would make the most money, and all movies with male leads would have them in suits for the entire movie because that would make them the most money.

So logically, game is far more important than a suit or muscles, just as game is far more important than just knowing what a neg is or just having dominance or just having a fuzzy hat on.

And in-field, game is where that 0.00001% is decided, and it comes down to that 0.00001% only when two guys with nearly identical skill levels of game go up against eachother (which is so rare as to be ridiculous to even think about, everyone has flaws in their game in some area and everyone has strengths). Usually it’s more like the looks guy has been banking on his looks while a guy running good game has been fine-tuning his shit for the most emotional impact (again see that white guy VS the black guys with the oldschool powerpuff girls routine) so it ends up being more like a 30 VS 70 or 10 vs 90 etc.

The RSD guys are going out in plain t-shirts all the time, to lots of venues where guys dress up.

“Just like Krauser saying his approach would be easier and his N-Count would be higher, or his (deep) conversion rate would be more efficient if he’d been blessed with better looks. I don’t know what your opinion is of Nick, but I think we can agree he’s not a rank noob to Game. He understands it on a meta level.”

Man, I was hoping no one would ask this cause I don’t wanna be the drama guy. I’m sure Krauser is a nice dude but his pickups are pretty weak. He just yaps and seeks rapport and his tonality is all over the map. His game has zero intensity to it. It’s not BAD game, it’s good for what he’s doing (running casual one on one daygame sets where he has no interruptions or anything and the girls are relatively passive/friendly). Half these vids he could close the girl way faster than he does, they’re into him and he’s just overgaming.

But if I had to make an asshole judgement like a big dickhead, I would suggest that the reason his specialty is daygame is because the style of game he’s running is too passive and boring for harder venues where he has to compete with suit guys and deal with obstacles.

It’s like a fat guy writing a book about sitting on a couch instead of a book about running. Like, ya, I’m sure that is an EXCELLENT book on sitting on a couch, that dude will be a fucking pro at it because the path he’s chosen with his body isn’t exactly conducive to being able to go running and write a book about running.

Like, he NEEDS the fashion because his game has no real impact. It’s what I was saying before about how a girl will notice your watch, your shoes, whether your belt matches your socks etc if she’s not very engaged. It’s not that they don’t LIKE him, it’s that he’s not CAPTIVATING.

Like watch Tyler picking up that girl in the vid I linked last time, arms around her waist, or that scruffy dude running the powerpuff shit, their heads are EXPLODING. They have NO IDEA what kind of shoes they’re wearing beacuse the RSD guys are getting up in their grill and mindfucking them.

Roosh has the same game as Krauser. Roosh’s game is fucking BORING. That’s why he hates North American women and thinks they’re all bitches, because he isn’t equipped to deal with any real obstacles, because he isn’t captivating. Personally I think the big reason the Manosphere/TRP has a weak overall view of what game is, is because Roosh/Krauser/etc type guys were the ones who got the community rolling so they’re like the “pillars” of the thing, but their style of game is so low-intensity, so yes girls blow them out like big mean evil bitches and yes girls need Krauser to have nice dress sense.

But if they were running better game with more emotional impact they wouldn’t need that shit. Again it’s not that he’s running BAD game, he’s just not running game that’s got enough emotional impact behind it to let his looks not matter. Krauser is essentially trying to sell himself to get the girl to pick him, VS coming from a frame where he’s making the girl sell herself to HIM.

Compare the emotional intensity of this interaction (if you can stay awake through it lol) and pay attention to how much he’s trying to sell himself to the girl and seek rapport/connection right from the word hello:

…to these, pay attention to how much emotional impact they’re creating and how much they’re disqualifying the girls and making the girls sell themselves to THEM:

– In this one above how is Tyler at 15s getting that girl who’s in a dress and heels. At 28 seconds the guy right beside them watching like “wtf??” is dressed super nice with a sick fitted dress shirt and stuff. Tyler’s just got a plain striped shirt on except by 38s…should he have a suit on? Would that girl be any more into him in 15 seconds than she is right there? If he had a suit on would she be like “oh god fuck me right now in front of my friends!!!”? Of course not. He doesn’t need more than just plain not-retarded clothes because his approach made an emotional impact (the spin and confidently pulling her in and pulling her friend in and eye contact and kino and turning her away from her friends (creating a bubble of isolation where she can let herself be more attracted) and no fucks given about the guys etc).

If Tyler had gone up to them and just stood there, or tried to talk about the weather like Krauser does, the girl might choose the dress shirt guy instead because he’s turned it into a “judge us based on our looks ’cause I’m not giving you much personality or emotional impact to be attracted to”. But once Tyler expresses his personality running proper game, the girl is into him. If the dress shirt guy tries to talk to her she gives no fucks because Tyler is the one giving her emotional impact.

– The next guys are just wasted and being retarded lol not my or anyone here’s style of game probably. Skip ahead to 1:18

– At 1:18 listen to what Julien is saying. “Get off the phone. (dominant tonality, an ORDER) Cause I SAID so, what the fuck girl. (dominant tonality, commanding her)” When she won’t comply (it’s too much compliance to ask, he knows he doesn’t have enough attraction yet so he calibrates and switches to a lower compliance command saying “Hug me, then. (dominant tonality)”. Do you hear Krauser at ANY point in that sarge talking like this to the girl? Expressing dominant male energy to her?

“Stay on the phone and tell him you’re hugging another man as you talk to him.” He’s causing drama and emotional impact by saying that loud enough for whoever’s on the phone to hear and hugging her. “And you hear his voice soothing you as my body soothes you” Again drama and emotional impact as she bursts out laughing. He cuts threads and tells her to meet Tyler and already she’s asking “Who are you guys?? You guys are SEXY” as she giggles away. They’re both dressed in plain shirts. and she’s dolled up in a dress and heels. Then she’s voluntarily hugging him and giggling and saying “You’re like my long-lost lover, I can feel it” as the attraction ramps up.

Krauser doesn’t have this kind of impact. He runs nice safe boring game. So he needs better clothes. Would this girl have said “you guys are SEXY” in less than 20 seconds if they were wearing suits? Would she be any MORE attracted to Julien if he was in a suit? Does he NEED her to be any MORE attracted than THAT to fuck her??

– Next up is Tyler in a probably Molly-fueled event so let’s skip past that (but note that Krauser’s game is not designed to do what Tyler is doing in those events, because Krauser doesn’t believe he CAN do what Tyler’s doing even IN that environment where it’s not hard to do…Tyler is 5’7″, Julien is only like 6′ he looks a lot taller in footage but I’ve rolled out with way taller guys than that lol My point being that Krauser lets his height and looks (he’s not even a bad looking dude really but I bet he THINKS he is because it’s in his body-language) make him insecure, whereas Tyler doesn’t care about his looks.

– Next is Alex (also short as fuck) just having sloppy drunk makeouts lol Again not really relevant so let’s skip past (they do tons of daygame but people like to see the nightgame stuff more):

– at 3:10 the girl has a boyfriend she thinks she’s going to marry. Tyler creates emotional impact by escalating on her and then picking her up and telling her he’s going to throw her off the balcony etc. Then he’s telling girls “the one girl has butt implants because she used to have a pancake ass and then tells her she’s retarded for even defending herself from such a retarded accusation” and she hits his chest. It’s not that you have to call girls retarded, but Tyler, through his verbals, is creating EMOTIONAL IMPACT in the girl. She’s not looking down at his shoes, she’s dealing with the thing that’s causing an emotional rollercoaster for her right in front of her. If a bear is coming at you, you’re not focused on the bunny rabbits in the background, you’re focused on the BEAR.

– At 3:53 Tyler sets up a 3-some. He’s wearing a plain shirt tho he has a cool jacket. Would those girls be sucking face in the club with him and going home for a 3-some any faster if he was wearing a suit? Has that short-haired girl (I THINK the brunette is his wingwoman because he uses GAME like preselection and pivots and social proof to ramp his value up) EVER had an interaction like that in her LIFE?? Has any suit guy ever tried that with her in the middle of public a few minutes after meeting her?? Would Tyler in a suit have any more value to a rocker-looking chick than a confident guy in a t-shirt?

– 4:45 is just his baby mama

– At 4:58 Tyler in a plain shirt (as usual) and another 3-way makeout (again I believe with a pivot). Is Tyler just the best looking guy alive?? Or is game SO FUCKING IMPORTANT compared to looks and a suit that game is what guys should be focusing on?

– 5:10 Julien throws more emotional impact in. “You can live your boring little life in your gay little club or you can climb over the fence.” and convincing her to hop over the fence. Note how he’s not bragging about himself or qualifying himself to her, he’s just cutting through her girl-shit and plowing over her frame with his own dominant alpha frame and hopping a fence and ditching her friends to run off with some guy is CRAZY so she’s like “holy shit who is this guy???” And then it cuts to him lifting her OVER the fence. That’s the most exciting thing that’s EVER HAPPENED to that girl on a night out. If he had a suit would she have just IMMEDIATELY jumped over to join him instead of him having to plow for an extra 60 seconds? Does it even MATTER? Is it relevant in ANY way? No.

Is that chick looking at his shoes? No. Where does Krauser do ANYTHING with this kind of impact? Where does he get the kind of attraction that these girls give these guys? Krauser’s game is just nice blase and safe. That doesn’t mean it’s BAD, it just means that yes KRAUSER has to dress really well, because his game is hitting like a -3/+3 emotional impact, not a -10/+10 like these guys are doing (and like proper game was designed to BE).

– Again drunk Alex lol skipping past (tho note his body language and stuff and compare it to Krauser’s…Krauser looks uncomfortable in his own skin like he wants to curl up and fade away (which again reads as insecurity about his looks, which is silly ’cause personally I think he’s a generally good looking dude, he’s not some mutant or anything at all, but I know he’s probably had a lot of bad social conditioning around his looks growing up))

– 6:52 Tyler pulls a girl in and kisses her right away (while Krauser just taps their arm weirdly mid-sentence) and then pulls her away shouting “DOG!! Come with me DOG!!” and then is saying to passers-by “Look at this fucking SLUT. Look at this DOG. Look at her!” This chick is drunk (looks like last call street game) so ya ya he’s hitting on drunk girls (like I say there’s tons of daygame footage too but this clip has a good mix) but the point is he’s saying and doing stuff that make that girl have NO IDEA whether his belt matches his shoes and lets him get away with just having a hoodie. It’s not that you have to call girls dogs, but he’s causing chaos so that he has EMOTIONAL IMPACT on her and her RAS is fully focused on dealing with the bear that’s fucking with her universe right in front of her.

– 7:18 the girl is resistant at first but he just dominantly plows thru her silly girl frame. The chick shit-tests him calling him a cracker being feisty but Tyler knows it’s just flirting and gives no fucks. Does Krauser ever deal with this kind of resistance in his infield videos? Could he even HANDLE this kind of shit-testing from a girl? Whoever edited this montage cut the footage off but he makes fun of the girl for being asian or mexican or something and then the girls invite him to come across the street to the club they’re going to and he runs off with them.

– At 24s in Tyler here you can see a difference between the game Tyler was running in that last montage and now. He hasn’t been out sarging in a while so he’s inside his head and not feeling invincible so he picks an easy happy drunk chick that he knows will be receptive and pulls her in, but you can hear the shit he’s saying is booooooring. He’s not making any real emotional impact he’s just yapping like Krauser. But he knows game, so he knows “ok I have a girl that’s enough preselection to grab another girl, which all the other girls in this room will see and which will force me outside of my comfort zone”. Even with two girls on him, he’s still inside his head and he’s just stating facts to the girl, no real emotional impact and he knows it. But he’s loosening himself up and getting social. He’s just wearing a plain shirt so obvs those girls didn’t jump his dick. Why would a girl go for a guy in a plain shirt?

– Same night at 1:44 he bails on the conversation to grab a girl and escalates fast (emotional impact). “Have you ever kissed a girl before?” Has Krauser EVER asked anything like that to a girl in his vids? “Yes I have!” So Tyler knows to bring his pivot/wingwoman over (because he understands how it’ll raise his value) and walks them off but just number closes to 3-some some other time ’cause he’s hanging with Elliott that night. He goes for another 3-way kiss and the girl is like “omg lol you are SO BOLD!!” Emotional Impact. That’s the most exciting night of her month probably.

– At 2:27 he uses his wingwoman to grab a girl (understanding game and preselection etc). “I’m Korean!” “Nah, forget it.” Just a little impact, Krauser does about this much, like the most basic of push/pull teasing. But does he follow it up with pulling the girl in to kiss her then authoritatively commanding the girls to kiss eachother and then a 3-way makeout followed by “Alright you can be our new girlfriend”? Massive emotional impact.

Would that have gone any smoother if he was in a suit? I mean, clearly if he had a suit on he’d have 3.281 points more value. No, it doesn’t fucking matter lol his plain shirt is fine because he has game and game trumps all that shit.

– At 3:12 watch how dominant Tyler is, grabbing them by the hair/neck, commanding them, leading the interaction, taking all responsibility off them, escalating smoothly, then walking them off into the night again. Tylers with a popular super-jacked Elliot Hulse, why aren’t these girls walking past Tyler to go hit on Elliot or some guy in a suit??

Skip the rest of the video it gets fuckin WEIRD, I don’t understand Elliot Hulse’s stuff at ALL lol

Here Julien explains how he does this stuff. This is a video Krauser needs to watch lol this is the shit that’s missing from his game that makes him need to worry about his clothes.

– 1:14 he’s in a plain shirt and the girl is telling him to give her his number and he shakes his head and tells her “BEG for it.” Emotional Impact, has that girl EVER gotten that response from a guy before? No way. So this guy’s value must be off the charts. Does Krauser ever do anything like this? No he just wants a nice smooth happy safe interaction…which is cool, it WORKS in the environment he’s in and for what he’s doing, but like, that’s why he needs to worry about his clothes and even moreso in a nightclub, because he doesn’t make an emotional impact.

– At 4:44 in this one listen to the shit he’s saying to her. He’s actively pushing her away and not in a funny ha-ha “oh you’re from Switzerland, oh you Swiss are trouble I’m out of here haha just kidding so what do you like about Switzerland do you miss skiing?”, he’s pushing her away in a HUGE EMOTIONAL IMPACT way and then makes her EARN him back. He makes her tell him he’s amazing and handsome etc. He’s just wearing a plain shirt. Does Krauser ever have interactions like this? Would this girl be grabbing him trying to convince him to give her a chance any MORE than this if Julien was wearing a suit? Is it significant or relevant at ALL?? No.

Also he relieves all the tension he’s created after she compliments him, because he’s just fucking with her. Is that girl looking around the room for some guy in a suit? Is she looking at his shoes or his watch? No her RAS is fully focused on the bear making an emotional impact on her world and taking over her brain. She doesn’t even notice creepy Tyler behind her lol At the end of it he’s like “I dunno I just feel like somethings off” and listen to the LEGITIMATE CONCERN in her voice when she’s saying “no!!” She is ACTUALLY worried about losing him…she’s so caught up on the emotional rollercoaster that IN THAT MOMENT not losing him is the top priority in her world. She’s not thinking about some 6-pack stripper she saw dancing at Rollo’s stripshow last week. She’s 100% focused on Julien and the emotional impact he’s shoving into her brain.

– Now for the best one. 8:25 the quality of the girl is meh (cougar arm sag lol) but the point is 1) he’s dressed like shit, but 2) he gets away with it because listen to the things he’s saying to her. He’s not high-energy, he’s not high-fiving her or calling her a powerpuff girl, he’s doing the bare minimum but the things he’s saying carry MASSIVE emotional impact.

“How does it feel to know you’re a horrible kisser?” and then he just stands there grinning and lets her qualify herself to him, some grubby looking dude in a hoodie. Then he makes fun of her age and her bad kissing more.

Then it gets cruel. He tells her flat out “You’re OLD.” and doesn’t follow it up like “ha ha just kidding so what do you like about this weather? :) :)” He just stops dead and lets the words rip out her soul for a second (EMOTIONAL IMPACT, she’s never had a guy make that kind of impact on her before, that’s the -10 in the -10/+10 I’m talking about) and then he starts INGORING HER playing with his phone while her hamster runs into hyper-overdrive trying to think of how to respond to that.

She tries qualifying herself so of course you reward her right? “haha that’s adorable, come here, hugs! :) :)” No. Because he’s dressed like a slob. Because he knows making MORE emotional impact will just make her MORE attracted. “I’m VERY old, I WISH I was older (agree & amplify, aka game) cause for a guy the older you get the better you are…for a GIRL? Downhill.” and then he ignores her again to play with his phone some more while her hamster has a heart attack.

This girl has never even when she was young and hot, had this kind of interaction, esp not from some guy in a shitty hoodie. But what happens? She keeps qualifying herself MORE. Why is she doing this??? He’s dressed like shit! She should be going for some suit guy, the venue looks nice and she looks dressed up stylish so I’m sure there’s better looking better dressed guys there than Julien.

He cuts off her qualifying and decides to relieve the tension. Look at her body langauge and mouth and listen to her words as he cuts her off and casually says “I like you, it’s FINE.” Look at that smile. She’s so happy to have this scrubby hoodie guy’s validation. Why? Why would his opinion of her have ANY relevance at all in her world?

Because he has game and he’s making emotional impacts on her. So his hoodie doesn’t matter. “Say I’m as young as a 12 year old girl! Say it! I love it say Daddy I’m twelve!” (emotional impact) then bites her neck. It’s done from there, right? Might as well take her home?

Nope. MORE EMOTIONAL IMPACT. He goes in for the kiss and then suddenly stops and says “I’m scared to kiss you again because it was so bad last time.” Push/pull push/pull. But NOW he’ll give in, right? I mean, he can probably fuck her, so just go for it! Nope. MORE EMOTIONAL IMPACT. He quizzes her “What’s my name?” Note how he keeps going in for the kiss then pulling back before giving her the actual kiss and saying more nonsense, just building up the tension and frustration on her part. EMOTIONAL IMPAAAAACT

Is this chick paying attention to ANYTHING in the room but the bear taking over her RAS in front of her? Is Julien the sexiest guy in the room? Remember he looks tall but he’s only 6 feet tall, surely there are other guys there better looking more jacked and better dressed than him. Surely she’s gone to bachelorette parties with her cougar friends at male strip clubs. Surely she didn’t rub one out the night before with her vibe thinking of a scrubby guy in a hoodie? What does the data on speed-dating and online dating say about whether she’d swipe left or right ahhhhh!!!!!

…none of that shit matters. He is currently the center of this girl’s world. A puzzle she needs to solve, a prize she needs to win. Then FINALLY he gives her the kiss she’s been dying for.

– At 1:04 his bootcamp student fucked up pulling a girl (didn’t lead her away, exchanged numbers instead of going for the pull, the student was going for the nice “safe” route thinking the girl wasn’t pullable), so Julien stepped in to show the guy first-hand that he’s wrong. Note how EASY it is to take the girl. This dude is wearing a decent shirt, has a nice watch, looks like he’s probably a decent looking guy and he’s been talking to the girl for a while, she came outside with him. But the guy is boring, so as soon as a shinier object steps in (ie – a guy who starts doing proper eye-contact and making her laugh) she switches focus to him and he starts self-amusing fucking with her. “I’m just trying to lose my vriginity and it’s just not happening.” Look how much she EXPLODES laughing. Buying Temperature higher than it’s been with the other blue shirt guy all night, because Julien knows what triggers to flip to get that reaction. “The pig laugh” making fun of her laugh. Again, game. She’s yapping and almost turns back to the student Julien cuts through it “How tall are you? Come.” and takes her hand and leads her away from him. Done. That guy is irrelevant and invisible. He wasn’t some ugly gross hideous guy. He was about the same level of looks as Julien, but it doesn’t matter. Game wins. He moves her away, spins her, keeps making emotional impact, demonstrates alpha shit, leads her around, spikes her buying temp, etc etc. You can see at 2:55 that the student in the blue shirt is following them and she has no idea he even exists anymore. If he was wearing a suit would she be like “Go away interesting fun man who makes an emotional impact on me! I’m busy talking to this boring guy in a nice suit who’s signaling provider value that trumps all this fascinating exciting fun shit you’re throwing at me!”

– At 10:50 you can see a suit guy in the foreground in set with the girls and Julien is just fucking around making up bullshit self-amusing with stuff that he knows will spike their buying temperature pretending to have a wife he left in the cold war bla bla and then he relieves the tension and they burst out laughing. “Arm, arm, arm. Come come come.” and now he’s walking with two girls, leaving the suit guy in the dust. There was a guy in a sick looking stylish suit RIGHT BESIDE THEM. Didn’t they SEE him?? Why would they go with Julien when that guy was there???? Because game trumps clothing/looks/money/etc. What girls value is emotions.

– 0:13, Julien isn’t even IN the club he’s just gaming some girls over the railing. He’s in a plain black t-shirt, his buddy has a dress shirt. Which guy are the girls (who are dolled up and SHOULD be with suit guys not some t-shirt guy) paying attention to? “Wow you’re tall as SHIT.” Emotional impact. Then he leads them to walk with him out of the patio. At 30s he’s leading her (dominant alpha etc) “You can live your boring mundane life” and he’s shouting at her friends and causing a scene as he leads her over. He’s in a plain black t-shirt, how is this madness possible? Shouldn’t he be optimizing his looks?? And he walks her out of the patio and with him down the street to where he ends up saying “What about later tonight, can you ditch him?” aka she even has a boyfriend that’s there with her so he grabs her number. If he was wearing a suit would that girl have just blown him right there on the sidewalk? Could that have gone any better? Would ANYONE else have approached that set over the patio railing and confidently, wearing a t-shirt, walked a girl dolled up like that off the patio away from her friends to assume the sale and get her to want to cheat on her boyfriend?

– 2:30 here comes huge emotional impact. “You have to either drink a shotglass of your father’s semen, or a dog’s semen. Your family will die if you don’t pick, gun to your head.” He’s just in a plain t-shirt, but these girls are CAPTIVATED by what he’s saying to them. At the point where he’s like “So you’d blow the dog? Wow” and their heads are exploding, he’s making more emotional impact in this 10 seconds than I see in any of Krauser’s 10 minute sarges.

– 15:54 he tells a student also in a plain shirt “walk with her dude” and then scolds him for letting the other guy talk to both girls instead of wingmanning the other girl for him and gets the group of students/girls all leaving together, nobody in a suit.

Here’s Max, he has a lot of daygame footage which is a nicer comparison to Krauser’s game. He’s pretty effeminate and I’ve typed enough but 1) look at his clothing infield, 2) look at the quality of the girls he gets relative to his clothing, 3) look at the emotional impact he pushes on the girls, and 4) listen to how they giggle and can’t believe what’s going on or who this guy is. Again he looks tall but he’s only 5’9″ if I remember right. Focus on the emotional impact in his game. NONE of Krauser’s vids I’ve seen have girls giggling their heads off with buying temperature spiking through the roof like the girls do with all these guys.

So tell me…where is ANY of that in Krauser’s game? Nowhere. That’s why he has to worry about optimizing his looks/fashion. If he was learning and running better game, that shit would be irrelevant.

Like I say, I feel like a lot of the guys who put value on looks/assets are guys who just aren’t regularly running or seeing game with this kind of impact in action…and this isn’t impossible game, they’re not doing anything magical, they’re just running PROPER game that’s focused on what women are ACTUALLY attracted to and ACTUALLY value, which isn’t looks and assets. They value the emotions you make them feel.

Like does it make sense now? I’m not saying looks aren’t a cute little bonus cherry on top. But they’re SO insignificant when you’re running proper game that it’s a waste of time to bother with it. Get some decent up to date clothes that fit nice so you look like a normal human being then take all that money you would’ve spent on an $8000 suit or $400 shoes or a $300 Armani shirt or a $5000 watch (I have no idea what the price of any of this shit actually is, I’m too poor lol), and use that money to fund cover charges at the bar, cabs or bus fare home, and day2s with girls. And buy a gym pass or something ’cause I’m not telling you NOT to do those things (plus it’s good to be in shape so you can fuck without exhausting yourself lol), but don’t “pick two” thinking that looks and assets will make up for working on your game or that looks and assets and muscles and a BMW driven by a chinese guy etc will mean that you’re going to get the girl over other guys. Game is what’s going to make the most impact by a HUGE margin. Those other things are just fluff.

And apologies to Krauser, I’m not trying to pick on him and I don’t care about picking ego fights and stuff. I’m just making a very logical clear observation of the footage I’m seeing in front of me. And again Krauser’s game isn’t BAD, it just doesn’t have the emotional impact for him to do well in tougher venues/situations or to make his clothing irrelevant. Same shit can be said for Tanner, I’m sure Tanner is a nice dude, but does his game look like Krauser’s game or does it look like Tyler and Julien’s game? Tanner’s neon blazers are great for him, because he NEEDS them, because I would guess that his game is more along the line of Krauser’s and Roosh’s. Nice, safe, low-impact, zzzzzz…

“As such he optimizes his look, his physique, his dress to make his Game easier.”

Nothing the RSD guys are doing is “hard”. They’re just running more efficient smarter game with more impact. Their shit is just tighter. Part of why their shit is tighter is because they’re in TOUGH venues 6 nights a week jumping into insane impossible situations to push their comfort zones and FORCE their game to harden up to succeed in those environments. Krauser is just picking off daygame one on one sets with no interruptions etc So of course his game isn’t going to be as tight, he’s not really challenging himself. If he finds nightclubs hard he should be IN nightclubs learning to make it work.

Oldschool trivia: Tyler’s first posts on the old forums way back before The Game were about how much he HATED nightclubs. He was like “How do people game in this shit?? It’s too loud there’s distractions everywhere stupid guys taking the girls I fucking hate nightclubs!!” Krauser had the same feelings. The difference is Krauser decided to avoid challenging himself, so while he’s getting laid his game is weaker and has a lot more holes (like the insecurity in his body-language, tonality, etc. and his lack of emotional impact because he doesn’t push the boundaries of the interaction at all just runs nice safe game), he needs to worry about his fashion and invest a bunch of money in it. But Tyler rose to the challenge and decided to keep putting himself through punishment in nightclubs until they forced him to tighten his game up so hardcore that now he can game ANYWHERE at any time of day in any environment and be pulling girls for 3-way makeouts in the daytime (can link the footage if you like) etc.

Did Tyler do it the harder way? Sure. Was it worth it? I don’t know…if your goal is to just get laid, Krauser’s stuff is FINE. But you’ll probably need to worry about your fashion sense and if you get into a head to head over a hot girl who’s got friends around her and distractions etc (ie – a smokin hot dream girl dolled up in a nightclub), you’re probably not going to do well. And a guy with solid game is going to steamroll you. And if you DON’T have your stylish fashion on like you see some gorgeous girl when you’re on your way home from the gym in your gym clothes, where’s your confidence to approach her going to be? Likely the same place as the military uniform from earlier in this thread, hung up in the closet.

Krauser should be approaching girls in a t-shirt, it would fix a lot of inner-game problems that seep through the cracks.

Now if your goal is to have your choice of women and take what you want and be able to game in any situation and compete with guys in suits and AMOGs in your social circle and not worry about any of that shit and be as confident when you’re 30, 35, 40 when you have wrinkles etc, as you are at 25…it might be worth doing things the “hard” way and building the proper foundation.

“He certainly doesn’t rely on those extrinsic factors to carry him to the lay, but he certainly acknowledges them as giving him an edge.”

They do, because his game is soft, so he needs those things. My argument is that game trumps that shit, so if you learn proper solid game you don’t need that edge and you can dwarf other guy’s who have and are relying on that edge. My point was never that that looks don’t do ANYTHING, it’s that they do so little when you bring game into the equation that it’s a waste of newbies’ time to stress over whether they have enough colorful blazers and matching scarves in their closet.

“This is what I was getting at when I was asking about the threshold. There are guys who have natural good looks and a great body who have never heard of Game who nevertheless have no problem banging top shelf women. My old training partner, Dean, from this post was a great example of this.”

How many guys with tight game did you see step in the middle of Dean’s interaction with a girl? As I’ve said a million times, looks is super if you don’t run into any obstacles. I’m not saying guys who look good or wear suits can’t get laid, I don’t know how this isn’t clear yet lol What I’m saying is that none of that shit matters when you put two guys in a set and one has better game.

“I don’t think it’s all Game and no looks, nor do I think it’s all looks and no Game”

Me neither. But it’s primarily, VASTLY game, and then 50 periods down is looks and assets, down with peacocking and social proof and preselection etc. All great things to have, but relying on “I have dominant voice tonality” isn’t a good idea. And saying “have dominant voice tonality and peacocking and that’s as good as having “game”” is not good advice for newbies.

Can you explain all that footage I just linked and broke down in this post? How does that fit into what you’re saying? How are these guys getting these results with just game? It shouldn’t be possible for them to get attraction that fast. They should be dressing better and wearing suits and shit…no, it’s irrelevant. Game trumps everything by a ridiculous leap, those videos alone show it and I can find you a shitload more if you like. Again I refer to the Forever Alone crew on the MISC, and all the rich guys who end up taking PUA bootcamps? How does THIS happen?:

http://nextshark.com/why-silicon-valleys-elite-pay-her-up-to-100000-to-find-the-loves-of-their-lives/

All those guys should have no problem getting women. How is some asshole in a scruffy hoodie or a short balding ginger in a plain shirt getting attraction that these rich silicon valley dudes DREAM of?

“So if you have a guy who’s looks, appearance, status is marginally above his Game ability and put him next to a guy with a degree of Game that more than compensates for the other guy’s looks, etc. then he pulls and the better looking guy doesn’t.”

It all comes down to who, in that moment, is running the better game. Look at that footage I’m linking, those girls are CAPTIVATED by Tyler and Julien. Apex fallacy and all that but the point is PROPER GAME consumes her RAS and takes over her world. Proper game, like that powerpuff girls demo, makes other guys invisible to the girl.

Put it this way: if you take me, a very average dude, and put me beside an A&F model, and introduce us to the girl, the FIRST thing I’m going to do is ignore the introduction to flirt with the hot bartender behind us and then when I turn back around I’m going to AMOG the guy and get him to qualify himself to me in front of her then hit the girl with something carrying a shitload of emotional impact and get up in her space so her RAS is focused on me and run a shitload of fast Attraction spiking material, turn her so she can’t see him anymore and then pick her up and carry her into another room.

If I just stood there, or LET us have a nice little 3-way conversation passively hoping that she notices I matched my belt with my socks, she’ll probably go with the A&F model. But I don’t allow that to happen because game isn’t supposed to be this gay passive “I hope she picks me” thing that the Manosphere and TRP run. It’s supposed to come from a frame where YOU are the prize and SHE is working to earn YOU and you’re making enough emotional impact on her (not necessarily through crazy physcial game (with an A&F model tho, I’m takin NO chances that he has game lol so I’m carrying her away), but like Julien’s verbal shit) that that guy disappears to her RAS and she’s focused on the blue cars not the yellow cars.

And more importantly…how many of you guys are running game that has the emotional impact on girls that these guys have? And how many of you are running nice safe Krauser/Roosh game? Do you get the reactions from girls that the RSD guys are getting?


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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on September 18th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
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Here comes a nice big sloppy one lol this is way more than I planned to write, I was going to just link the videos, but all the videos I’ve linked so far haven’t done much to get my point across so here I’m breaking down a ton of sets step by step to show exactly what the difference between GAME and “game” is and why it makes looks irrelevant:

“@YaReally, the reason I have a problem with the 0.0001% thing is that I think Game functions as part of a whole.”

The reason a lot of guys think this is because they don’t really ramp their game up into that -10/+10 level. If say the Beatles came out during a concert in t-shirts, would girls faint any less? No, because at that concert their value is so far through the roof that their clothes don’t matter. They could wear garbage bags and the girls would shit a brick. They aren’t jacked or super tall or anything.

But those girls are at their concert, and to get that famous they started out in suits and that’s what got them noticed so by that point the girls are all bought into them and when they come out on stage in t-shirts it doesn’t matter because their value is crazy high, right?

All that other stuff is irrelevant, that dynamic can be boiled down to: Value trumps looks/clothing.

Rappers are up on stage in baggy shitty outfits all the time. But girls want to fuck them. Why? Because value trumps looks/clothing.

So if we accept that high enough value trumps looks/clothing, then we have to ask “okay so what are ways of demonstrating high value? What IS high-value?”

PUA is designed to give you tools to create high-value by triggering all the subconscious triggers that signal high-value (dominance, preselection, social proof, emotional impact, bla bla).

Can a suit give you game? No. Can muscles give you game? No. Can game give you high value just like (and even MORE-so) than a suit or muscles? Yes.

Are there generally more women in a room who will fuck a guy who has a suit on, or are there generally more women in a room who will fuck a guy who makes their gina tingle with emotional impact that sends them on rollercoasters and watching a guy pass shit-tests while he has a girl on his arm as he slaps the suit guy in her group on the back and chuckles as a hot waitress he flirted with last week runs up to hug him?

Will a suit or muscles make that waitress run up and hug him, be able to handle pass shit-tests (a 6 might not shit-test him, but a 9-10 will because her entire social circle is good looking rich dudes in suits because she’s a hot girl), make him understand AMOG dynamics and how to avoid being tooled and how to tool another guy who’s dressed better than him, and make him know how to neg her and do push/pull to make her chase and feel like she’s earned him, screen her so she knows he’s valuable etc etc?

No.

Will doing all that stuff (aka running proper game) equal at LEAST as much value as having a nice suit on or bigger biceps than a lot of guys but not as big as 4 other guys in the bar? Of course. Unless you believe that Justin Beiber is famous because he’s just a really good singer and because all he wears is suits and he’s built like The Rock and is super sexy to girls and isn’t attractive to girls simply because of the media hyping up his value.

Was Bruce Willis in Die Hard unattractive to women because he was in a dirty wifebeater? Was James Dean in a plain white t-shirt leaning back having a smoke unattractive to women? No, of course not…the actions they were doing (ie – the subcommunications of high-value) made them sexy to women despite their clothes.

Is Justin Beiber in a suit standing hunched over with an insecure look on his face sexier to girls than James Dean in a dirty t-shirt sweating as he fixes a car with a smoke in his mouth?

No? Then logically the suit itself is almost insignificant compared to game. What’s relevant are the subcommunications of high-value the girl is picking up on.

Looks money and game don’t work together. Game compasses all, and looks and money are attributes within game that help, just like social proof and preselection and dominance and tonality etc. They’re just tools that, much like peacocking when you’re out of state and feeling insecure, are a waste infield outside of game. Peacocking loses its value and even becomes negative value if you don’t have the game to handle the social pressure and shit-tests and wear it congruently etc. A suit and muscles lose their value if you don’t have the game to make those things attractive. Otherwise all girls would want to fuck Jay Cutler instead of thinking he’s a mutant freakshow, and all girls would choose Hugh Jackman in a stylish pink suit over Hugh Jackman in a wifebeater sweating and dirty as Wolverine. All male strippers would dress in suits instead of as firemen, cowboys, etc because the suits would make the most money, and all movies with male leads would have them in suits for the entire movie because that would make them the most money.

So logically, game is far more important than a suit or muscles, just as game is far more important than just knowing what a neg is or just having dominance or just having a fuzzy hat on.

And in-field, game is where that 0.00001% is decided, and it comes down to that 0.00001% only when two guys with nearly identical skill levels of game go up against eachother (which is so rare as to be ridiculous to even think about, everyone has flaws in their game in some area and everyone has strengths). Usually it’s more like the looks guy has been banking on his looks while a guy running good game has been fine-tuning his shit for the most emotional impact (again see that white guy VS the black guys with the oldschool powerpuff girls routine) so it ends up being more like a 30 VS 70 or 10 vs 90 etc.

The RSD guys are going out in plain t-shirts all the time, to lots of venues where guys dress up.

“Just like Krauser saying his approach would be easier and his N-Count would be higher, or his (deep) conversion rate would be more efficient if he’d been blessed with better looks. I don’t know what your opinion is of Nick, but I think we can agree he’s not a rank noob to Game. He understands it on a meta level.”

Man, I was hoping no one would ask this cause I don’t wanna be the drama guy. I’m sure Krauser is a nice dude but his pickups are pretty weak. He just yaps and seeks rapport and his tonality is all over the map. His game has zero intensity to it. It’s not BAD game, it’s good for what he’s doing (running casual one on one daygame sets where he has no interruptions or anything and the girls are relatively passive/friendly). Half these vids he could close the girl way faster than he does, they’re into him and he’s just overgaming.

But if I had to make an asshole judgement like a big dickhead, I would suggest that the reason his specialty is daygame is because the style of game he’s running is too passive and boring for harder venues where he has to compete with suit guys and deal with obstacles.

It’s like a fat guy writing a book about sitting on a couch instead of a book about running. Like, ya, I’m sure that is an EXCELLENT book on sitting on a couch, that dude will be a fucking pro at it because the path he’s chosen with his body isn’t exactly conducive to being able to go running and write a book about running.

Like, he NEEDS the fashion because his game has no real impact. It’s what I was saying before about how a girl will notice your watch, your shoes, whether your belt matches your socks etc if she’s not very engaged. It’s not that they don’t LIKE him, it’s that he’s not CAPTIVATING.

Like watch Tyler picking up that girl in the vid I linked last time, arms around her waist, or that scruffy dude running the powerpuff shit, their heads are EXPLODING. They have NO IDEA what kind of shoes they’re wearing beacuse the RSD guys are getting up in their grill and mindfucking them.

Roosh has the same game as Krauser. Roosh’s game is fucking BORING. That’s why he hates North American women and thinks they’re all bitches, because he isn’t equipped to deal with any real obstacles, because he isn’t captivating. Personally I think the big reason the Manosphere/TRP has a weak overall view of what game is, is because Roosh/Krauser/etc type guys were the ones who got the community rolling so they’re like the “pillars” of the thing, but their style of game is so low-intensity, so yes girls blow them out like big mean evil bitches and yes girls need Krauser to have nice dress sense.

But if they were running better game with more emotional impact they wouldn’t need that shit. Again it’s not that he’s running BAD game, he’s just not running game that’s got enough emotional impact behind it to let his looks not matter. Krauser is essentially trying to sell himself to get the girl to pick him, VS coming from a frame where he’s making the girl sell herself to HIM.

Compare the emotional intensity of this interaction (if you can stay awake through it lol) and pay attention to how much he’s trying to sell himself to the girl and seek rapport/connection right from the word hello:

…to these, pay attention to how much emotional impact they’re creating and how much they’re disqualifying the girls and making the girls sell themselves to THEM:

– In this one above how is Tyler at 15s getting that girl who’s in a dress and heels. At 28 seconds the guy right beside them watching like “wtf??” is dressed super nice with a sick fitted dress shirt and stuff. Tyler’s just got a plain striped shirt on except by 38s…should he have a suit on? Would that girl be any more into him in 15 seconds than she is right there? If he had a suit on would she be like “oh god fuck me right now in front of my friends!!!”? Of course not. He doesn’t need more than just plain not-retarded clothes because his approach made an emotional impact (the spin and confidently pulling her in and pulling her friend in and eye contact and kino and turning her away from her friends (creating a bubble of isolation where she can let herself be more attracted) and no fucks given about the guys etc).

If Tyler had gone up to them and just stood there, or tried to talk about the weather like Krauser does, the girl might choose the dress shirt guy instead because he’s turned it into a “judge us based on our looks ’cause I’m not giving you much personality or emotional impact to be attracted to”. But once Tyler expresses his personality running proper game, the girl is into him. If the dress shirt guy tries to talk to her she gives no fucks because Tyler is the one giving her emotional impact.

– The next guys are just wasted and being retarded lol not my or anyone here’s style of game probably. Skip ahead to 1:18

– At 1:18 listen to what Julien is saying. “Get off the phone. (dominant tonality, an ORDER) Cause I SAID so, what the fuck girl. (dominant tonality, commanding her)” When she won’t comply (it’s too much compliance to ask, he knows he doesn’t have enough attraction yet so he calibrates and switches to a lower compliance command saying “Hug me, then. (dominant tonality)”. Do you hear Krauser at ANY point in that sarge talking like this to the girl? Expressing dominant male energy to her?

“Stay on the phone and tell him you’re hugging another man as you talk to him.” He’s causing drama and emotional impact by saying that loud enough for whoever’s on the phone to hear and hugging her. “And you hear his voice soothing you as my body soothes you” Again drama and emotional impact as she bursts out laughing. He cuts threads and tells her to meet Tyler and already she’s asking “Who are you guys?? You guys are SEXY” as she giggles away. They’re both dressed in plain shirts. and she’s dolled up in a dress and heels. Then she’s voluntarily hugging him and giggling and saying “You’re like my long-lost lover, I can feel it” as the attraction ramps up.

Krauser doesn’t have this kind of impact. He runs nice safe boring game. So he needs better clothes. Would this girl have said “you guys are SEXY” in less than 20 seconds if they were wearing suits? Would she be any MORE attracted to Julien if he was in a suit? Does he NEED her to be any MORE attracted than THAT to fuck her??

– Next up is Tyler in a probably Molly-fueled event so let’s skip past that (but note that Krauser’s game is not designed to do what Tyler is doing in those events, because Krauser doesn’t believe he CAN do what Tyler’s doing even IN that environment where it’s not hard to do…Tyler is 5’7″, Julien is only like 6′ he looks a lot taller in footage but I’ve rolled out with way taller guys than that lol My point being that Krauser lets his height and looks (he’s not even a bad looking dude really but I bet he THINKS he is because it’s in his body-language) make him insecure, whereas Tyler doesn’t care about his looks.

– Next is Alex (also short as fuck) just having sloppy drunk makeouts lol Again not really relevant so let’s skip past (they do tons of daygame but people like to see the nightgame stuff more):

– at 3:10 the girl has a boyfriend she thinks she’s going to marry. Tyler creates emotional impact by escalating on her and then picking her up and telling her he’s going to throw her off the balcony etc. Then he’s telling girls “the one girl has butt implants because she used to have a pancake ass and then tells her she’s retarded for even defending herself from such a retarded accusation” and she hits his chest. It’s not that you have to call girls retarded, but Tyler, through his verbals, is creating EMOTIONAL IMPACT in the girl. She’s not looking down at his shoes, she’s dealing with the thing that’s causing an emotional rollercoaster for her right in front of her. If a bear is coming at you, you’re not focused on the bunny rabbits in the background, you’re focused on the BEAR.

– At 3:53 Tyler sets up a 3-some. He’s wearing a plain shirt tho he has a cool jacket. Would those girls be sucking face in the club with him and going home for a 3-some any faster if he was wearing a suit? Has that short-haired girl (I THINK the brunette is his wingwoman because he uses GAME like preselection and pivots and social proof to ramp his value up) EVER had an interaction like that in her LIFE?? Has any suit guy ever tried that with her in the middle of public a few minutes after meeting her?? Would Tyler in a suit have any more value to a rocker-looking chick than a confident guy in a t-shirt?

– 4:45 is just his baby mama

– At 4:58 Tyler in a plain shirt (as usual) and another 3-way makeout (again I believe with a pivot). Is Tyler just the best looking guy alive?? Or is game SO FUCKING IMPORTANT compared to looks and a suit that game is what guys should be focusing on?

– 5:10 Julien throws more emotional impact in. “You can live your boring little life in your gay little club or you can climb over the fence.” and convincing her to hop over the fence. Note how he’s not bragging about himself or qualifying himself to her, he’s just cutting through her girl-shit and plowing over her frame with his own dominant alpha frame and hopping a fence and ditching her friends to run off with some guy is CRAZY so she’s like “holy shit who is this guy???” And then it cuts to him lifting her OVER the fence. That’s the most exciting thing that’s EVER HAPPENED to that girl on a night out. If he had a suit would she have just IMMEDIATELY jumped over to join him instead of him having to plow for an extra 60 seconds? Does it even MATTER? Is it relevant in ANY way? No.

Is that chick looking at his shoes? No. Where does Krauser do ANYTHING with this kind of impact? Where does he get the kind of attraction that these girls give these guys? Krauser’s game is just nice blase and safe. That doesn’t mean it’s BAD, it just means that yes KRAUSER has to dress really well, because his game is hitting like a -3/+3 emotional impact, not a -10/+10 like these guys are doing (and like proper game was designed to BE).

– Again drunk Alex lol skipping past (tho note his body language and stuff and compare it to Krauser’s…Krauser looks uncomfortable in his own skin like he wants to curl up and fade away (which again reads as insecurity about his looks, which is silly ’cause personally I think he’s a generally good looking dude, he’s not some mutant or anything at all, but I know he’s probably had a lot of bad social conditioning around his looks growing up))

– 6:52 Tyler pulls a girl in and kisses her right away (while Krauser just taps their arm weirdly mid-sentence) and then pulls her away shouting “DOG!! Come with me DOG!!” and then is saying to passers-by “Look at this fucking SLUT. Look at this DOG. Look at her!” This chick is drunk (looks like last call street game) so ya ya he’s hitting on drunk girls (like I say there’s tons of daygame footage too but this clip has a good mix) but the point is he’s saying and doing stuff that make that girl have NO IDEA whether his belt matches his shoes and lets him get away with just having a hoodie. It’s not that you have to call girls dogs, but he’s causing chaos so that he has EMOTIONAL IMPACT on her and her RAS is fully focused on dealing with the bear that’s fucking with her universe right in front of her.

– 7:18 the girl is resistant at first but he just dominantly plows thru her silly girl frame. The chick shit-tests him calling him a cracker being feisty but Tyler knows it’s just flirting and gives no fucks. Does Krauser ever deal with this kind of resistance in his infield videos? Could he even HANDLE this kind of shit-testing from a girl? Whoever edited this montage cut the footage off but he makes fun of the girl for being asian or mexican or something and then the girls invite him to come across the street to the club they’re going to and he runs off with them.

– At 24s in Tyler here you can see a difference between the game Tyler was running in that last montage and now. He hasn’t been out sarging in a while so he’s inside his head and not feeling invincible so he picks an easy happy drunk chick that he knows will be receptive and pulls her in, but you can hear the shit he’s saying is booooooring. He’s not making any real emotional impact he’s just yapping like Krauser. But he knows game, so he knows “ok I have a girl that’s enough preselection to grab another girl, which all the other girls in this room will see and which will force me outside of my comfort zone”. Even with two girls on him, he’s still inside his head and he’s just stating facts to the girl, no real emotional impact and he knows it. But he’s loosening himself up and getting social. He’s just wearing a plain shirt so obvs those girls didn’t jump his dick. Why would a girl go for a guy in a plain shirt?

– Same night at 1:44 he bails on the conversation to grab a girl and escalates fast (emotional impact). “Have you ever kissed a girl before?” Has Krauser EVER asked anything like that to a girl in his vids? “Yes I have!” So Tyler knows to bring his pivot/wingwoman over (because he understands how it’ll raise his value) and walks them off but just number closes to 3-some some other time ’cause he’s hanging with Elliott that night. He goes for another 3-way kiss and the girl is like “omg lol you are SO BOLD!!” Emotional Impact. That’s the most exciting night of her month probably.

– At 2:27 he uses his wingwoman to grab a girl (understanding game and preselection etc). “I’m Korean!” “Nah, forget it.” Just a little impact, Krauser does about this much, like the most basic of push/pull teasing. But does he follow it up with pulling the girl in to kiss her then authoritatively commanding the girls to kiss eachother and then a 3-way makeout followed by “Alright you can be our new girlfriend”? Massive emotional impact.

Would that have gone any smoother if he was in a suit? I mean, clearly if he had a suit on he’d have 3.281 points more value. No, it doesn’t fucking matter lol his plain shirt is fine because he has game and game trumps all that shit.

– At 3:12 watch how dominant Tyler is, grabbing them by the hair/neck, commanding them, leading the interaction, taking all responsibility off them, escalating smoothly, then walking them off into the night again. Tylers with a popular super-jacked Elliot Hulse, why aren’t these girls walking past Tyler to go hit on Elliot or some guy in a suit??

Skip the rest of the video it gets fuckin WEIRD, I don’t understand Elliot Hulse’s stuff at ALL lol

Here Julien explains how he does this stuff. This is a video Krauser needs to watch lol this is the shit that’s missing from his game that makes him need to worry about his clothes.

– 1:14 he’s in a plain shirt and the girl is telling him to give her his number and he shakes his head and tells her “BEG for it.” Emotional Impact, has that girl EVER gotten that response from a guy before? No way. So this guy’s value must be off the charts. Does Krauser ever do anything like this? No he just wants a nice smooth happy safe interaction…which is cool, it WORKS in the environment he’s in and for what he’s doing, but like, that’s why he needs to worry about his clothes and even moreso in a nightclub, because he doesn’t make an emotional impact.

– At 4:44 in this one listen to the shit he’s saying to her. He’s actively pushing her away and not in a funny ha-ha “oh you’re from Switzerland, oh you Swiss are trouble I’m out of here haha just kidding so what do you like about Switzerland do you miss skiing?”, he’s pushing her away in a HUGE EMOTIONAL IMPACT way and then makes her EARN him back. He makes her tell him he’s amazing and handsome etc. He’s just wearing a plain shirt. Does Krauser ever have interactions like this? Would this girl be grabbing him trying to convince him to give her a chance any MORE than this if Julien was wearing a suit? Is it significant or relevant at ALL?? No.

Also he relieves all the tension he’s created after she compliments him, because he’s just fucking with her. Is that girl looking around the room for some guy in a suit? Is she looking at his shoes or his watch? No her RAS is fully focused on the bear making an emotional impact on her world and taking over her brain. She doesn’t even notice creepy Tyler behind her lol At the end of it he’s like “I dunno I just feel like somethings off” and listen to the LEGITIMATE CONCERN in her voice when she’s saying “no!!” She is ACTUALLY worried about losing him…she’s so caught up on the emotional rollercoaster that IN THAT MOMENT not losing him is the top priority in her world. She’s not thinking about some 6-pack stripper she saw dancing at Rollo’s stripshow last week. She’s 100% focused on Julien and the emotional impact he’s shoving into her brain.

– Now for the best one. 8:25 the quality of the girl is meh (cougar arm sag lol) but the point is 1) he’s dressed like shit, but 2) he gets away with it because listen to the things he’s saying to her. He’s not high-energy, he’s not high-fiving her or calling her a powerpuff girl, he’s doing the bare minimum but the things he’s saying carry MASSIVE emotional impact.

“How does it feel to know you’re a horrible kisser?” and then he just stands there grinning and lets her qualify herself to him, some grubby looking dude in a hoodie. Then he makes fun of her age and her bad kissing more.

Then it gets cruel. He tells her flat out “You’re OLD.” and doesn’t follow it up like “ha ha just kidding so what do you like about this weather?πŸ™‚ :)” He just stops dead and lets the words rip out her soul for a second (EMOTIONAL IMPACT, she’s never had a guy make that kind of impact on her before, that’s the -10 in the -10/+10 I’m talking about) and then he starts INGORING HER playing with his phone while her hamster runs into hyper-overdrive trying to think of how to respond to that.

She tries qualifying herself so of course you reward her right? “haha that’s adorable, come here, hugs! πŸ™‚ :)” No. Because he’s dressed like a slob. Because he knows making MORE emotional impact will just make her MORE attracted. “I’m VERY old, I WISH I was older (agree & amplify, aka game) cause for a guy the older you get the better you are…for a GIRL? Downhill.” and then he ignores her again to play with his phone some more while her hamster has a heart attack.

This girl has never even when she was young and hot, had this kind of interaction, esp not from some guy in a shitty hoodie. But what happens? She keeps qualifying herself MORE. Why is she doing this??? He’s dressed like shit! She should be going for some suit guy, the venue looks nice and she looks dressed up stylish so I’m sure there’s better looking better dressed guys there than Julien.

He cuts off her qualifying and decides to relieve the tension. Look at her body langauge and mouth and listen to her words as he cuts her off and casually says “I like you, it’s FINE.” Look at that smile. She’s so happy to have this scrubby hoodie guy’s validation. Why? Why would his opinion of her have ANY relevance at all in her world?

Because he has game and he’s making emotional impacts on her. So his hoodie doesn’t matter. “Say I’m as young as a 12 year old girl! Say it! I love it say Daddy I’m twelve!” (emotional impact) then bites her neck. It’s done from there, right? Might as well take her home?

Nope. MORE EMOTIONAL IMPACT. He goes in for the kiss and then suddenly stops and says “I’m scared to kiss you again because it was so bad last time.” Push/pull push/pull. But NOW he’ll give in, right? I mean, he can probably fuck her, so just go for it! Nope. MORE EMOTIONAL IMPACT. He quizzes her “What’s my name?” Note how he keeps going in for the kiss then pulling back before giving her the actual kiss and saying more nonsense, just building up the tension and frustration on her part. EMOTIONAL IMPAAAAACT

Is this chick paying attention to ANYTHING in the room but the bear taking over her RAS in front of her? Is Julien the sexiest guy in the room? Remember he looks tall but he’s only 6 feet tall, surely there are other guys there better looking more jacked and better dressed than him. Surely she’s gone to bachelorette parties with her cougar friends at male strip clubs. Surely she didn’t rub one out the night before with her vibe thinking of a scrubby guy in a hoodie? What does the data on speed-dating and online dating say about whether she’d swipe left or right ahhhhh!!!!!

…none of that shit matters. He is currently the center of this girl’s world. A puzzle she needs to solve, a prize she needs to win. Then FINALLY he gives her the kiss she’s been dying for.

– At 1:04 his bootcamp student fucked up pulling a girl (didn’t lead her away, exchanged numbers instead of going for the pull, the student was going for the nice “safe” route thinking the girl wasn’t pullable), so Julien stepped in to show the guy first-hand that he’s wrong. Note how EASY it is to take the girl. This dude is wearing a decent shirt, has a nice watch, looks like he’s probably a decent looking guy and he’s been talking to the girl for a while, she came outside with him. But the guy is boring, so as soon as a shinier object steps in (ie – a guy who starts doing proper eye-contact and making her laugh) she switches focus to him and he starts self-amusing fucking with her. “I’m just trying to lose my vriginity and it’s just not happening.” Look how much she EXPLODES laughing. Buying Temperature higher than it’s been with the other blue shirt guy all night, because Julien knows what triggers to flip to get that reaction. “The pig laugh” making fun of her laugh. Again, game. She’s yapping and almost turns back to the student Julien cuts through it “How tall are you? Come.” and takes her hand and leads her away from him. Done. That guy is irrelevant and invisible. He wasn’t some ugly gross hideous guy. He was about the same level of looks as Julien, but it doesn’t matter. Game wins. He moves her away, spins her, keeps making emotional impact, demonstrates alpha shit, leads her around, spikes her buying temp, etc etc. You can see at 2:55 that the student in the blue shirt is following them and she has no idea he even exists anymore. If he was wearing a suit would she be like “Go away interesting fun man who makes an emotional impact on me! I’m busy talking to this boring guy in a nice suit who’s signaling provider value that trumps all this fascinating exciting fun shit you’re throwing at me!”

– At 10:50 you can see a suit guy in the foreground in set with the girls and Julien is just fucking around making up bullshit self-amusing with stuff that he knows will spike their buying temperature pretending to have a wife he left in the cold war bla bla and then he relieves the tension and they burst out laughing. “Arm, arm, arm. Come come come.” and now he’s walking with two girls, leaving the suit guy in the dust. There was a guy in a sick looking stylish suit RIGHT BESIDE THEM. Didn’t they SEE him?? Why would they go with Julien when that guy was there???? Because game trumps clothing/looks/money/etc. What girls value is emotions.

– 0:13, Julien isn’t even IN the club he’s just gaming some girls over the railing. He’s in a plain black t-shirt, his buddy has a dress shirt. Which guy are the girls (who are dolled up and SHOULD be with suit guys not some t-shirt guy) paying attention to? “Wow you’re tall as SHIT.” Emotional impact. Then he leads them to walk with him out of the patio. At 30s he’s leading her (dominant alpha etc) “You can live your boring mundane life” and he’s shouting at her friends and causing a scene as he leads her over. He’s in a plain black t-shirt, how is this madness possible? Shouldn’t he be optimizing his looks?? And he walks her out of the patio and with him down the street to where he ends up saying “What about later tonight, can you ditch him?” aka she even has a boyfriend that’s there with her so he grabs her number. If he was wearing a suit would that girl have just blown him right there on the sidewalk? Could that have gone any better? Would ANYONE else have approached that set over the patio railing and confidently, wearing a t-shirt, walked a girl dolled up like that off the patio away from her friends to assume the sale and get her to want to cheat on her boyfriend?

– 2:30 here comes huge emotional impact. “You have to either drink a shotglass of your father’s semen, or a dog’s semen. Your family will die if you don’t pick, gun to your head.” He’s just in a plain t-shirt, but these girls are CAPTIVATED by what he’s saying to them. At the point where he’s like “So you’d blow the dog? Wow” and their heads are exploding, he’s making more emotional impact in this 10 seconds than I see in any of Krauser’s 10 minute sarges.

– 15:54 he tells a student also in a plain shirt “walk with her dude” and then scolds him for letting the other guy talk to both girls instead of wingmanning the other girl for him and gets the group of students/girls all leaving together, nobody in a suit.

Here’s Max, he has a lot of daygame footage which is a nicer comparison to Krauser’s game. He’s pretty effeminate and I’ve typed enough but 1) look at his clothing infield, 2) look at the quality of the girls he gets relative to his clothing, 3) look at the emotional impact he pushes on the girls, and 4) listen to how they giggle and can’t believe what’s going on or who this guy is. Again he looks tall but he’s only 5’9″ if I remember right. Focus on the emotional impact in his game. NONE of Krauser’s vids I’ve seen have girls giggling their heads off with buying temperature spiking through the roof like the girls do with all these guys.

So tell me…where is ANY of that in Krauser’s game? Nowhere. That’s why he has to worry about optimizing his looks/fashion. If he was learning and running better game, that shit would be irrelevant.

Like I say, I feel like a lot of the guys who put value on looks/assets are guys who just aren’t regularly running or seeing game with this kind of impact in action…and this isn’t impossible game, they’re not doing anything magical, they’re just running PROPER game that’s focused on what women are ACTUALLY attracted to and ACTUALLY value, which isn’t looks and assets. They value the emotions you make them feel.

Like does it make sense now? I’m not saying looks aren’t a cute little bonus cherry on top. But they’re SO insignificant when you’re running proper game that it’s a waste of time to bother with it. Get some decent up to date clothes that fit nice so you look like a normal human being then take all that money you would’ve spent on an $8000 suit or $400 shoes or a $300 Armani shirt or a $5000 watch (I have no idea what the price of any of this shit actually is, I’m too poor lol), and use that money to fund cover charges at the bar, cabs or bus fare home, and day2s with girls. And buy a gym pass or something ’cause I’m not telling you NOT to do those things (plus it’s good to be in shape so you can fuck without exhausting yourself lol), but don’t “pick two” thinking that looks and assets will make up for working on your game or that looks and assets and muscles and a BMW driven by a chinese guy etc will mean that you’re going to get the girl over other guys. Game is what’s going to make the most impact by a HUGE margin. Those other things are just fluff.

And apologies to Krauser, I’m not trying to pick on him and I don’t care about picking ego fights and stuff. I’m just making a very logical clear observation of the footage I’m seeing in front of me. And again Krauser’s game isn’t BAD, it just doesn’t have the emotional impact for him to do well in tougher venues/situations or to make his clothing irrelevant. Same shit can be said for Tanner, I’m sure Tanner is a nice dude, but does his game look like Krauser’s game or does it look like Tyler and Julien’s game? Tanner’s neon blazers are great for him, because he NEEDS them, because I would guess that his game is more along the line of Krauser’s and Roosh’s. Nice, safe, low-impact, zzzzzz…

“As such he optimizes his look, his physique, his dress to make his Game easier.”

Nothing the RSD guys are doing is “hard”. They’re just running more efficient smarter game with more impact. Their shit is just tighter. Part of why their shit is tighter is because they’re in TOUGH venues 6 nights a week jumping into insane impossible situations to push their comfort zones and FORCE their game to harden up to succeed in those environments. Krauser is just picking off daygame one on one sets with no interruptions etc So of course his game isn’t going to be as tight, he’s not really challenging himself. If he finds nightclubs hard he should be IN nightclubs learning to make it work.

Oldschool trivia: Tyler’s first posts on the old forums way back before The Game were about how much he HATED nightclubs. He was like “How do people game in this shit?? It’s too loud there’s distractions everywhere stupid guys taking the girls I fucking hate nightclubs!!” Krauser had the same feelings. The difference is Krauser decided to avoid challenging himself, so while he’s getting laid his game is weaker and has a lot more holes (like the insecurity in his body-language, tonality, etc. and his lack of emotional impact because he doesn’t push the boundaries of the interaction at all just runs nice safe game), he needs to worry about his fashion and invest a bunch of money in it. But Tyler rose to the challenge and decided to keep putting himself through punishment in nightclubs until they forced him to tighten his game up so hardcore that now he can game ANYWHERE at any time of day in any environment and be pulling girls for 3-way makeouts in the daytime (can link the footage if you like) etc.

Did Tyler do it the harder way? Sure. Was it worth it? I don’t know…if your goal is to just get laid, Krauser’s stuff is FINE. But you’ll probably need to worry about your fashion sense and if you get into a head to head over a hot girl who’s got friends around her and distractions etc (ie – a smokin hot dream girl dolled up in a nightclub), you’re probably not going to do well. And a guy with solid game is going to steamroll you. And if you DON’T have your stylish fashion on like you see some gorgeous girl when you’re on your way home from the gym in your gym clothes, where’s your confidence to approach her going to be? Likely the same place as the military uniform from earlier in this thread, hung up in the closet.

Krauser should be approaching girls in a t-shirt, it would fix a lot of inner-game problems that seep through the cracks.

Now if your goal is to have your choice of women and take what you want and be able to game in any situation and compete with guys in suits and AMOGs in your social circle and not worry about any of that shit and be as confident when you’re 30, 35, 40 when you have wrinkles etc, as you are at 25…it might be worth doing things the “hard” way and building the proper foundation.

“He certainly doesn’t rely on those extrinsic factors to carry him to the lay, but he certainly acknowledges them as giving him an edge.”

They do, because his game is soft, so he needs those things. My argument is that game trumps that shit, so if you learn proper solid game you don’t need that edge and you can dwarf other guy’s who have and are relying on that edge. My point was never that that looks don’t do ANYTHING, it’s that they do so little when you bring game into the equation that it’s a waste of newbies’ time to stress over whether they have enough colorful blazers and matching scarves in their closet.

“This is what I was getting at when I was asking about the threshold. There are guys who have natural good looks and a great body who have never heard of Game who nevertheless have no problem banging top shelf women. My old training partner, Dean, from this post was a great example of this.”

How many guys with tight game did you see step in the middle of Dean’s interaction with a girl? As I’ve said a million times, looks is super if you don’t run into any obstacles. I’m not saying guys who look good or wear suits can’t get laid, I don’t know how this isn’t clear yet lol What I’m saying is that none of that shit matters when you put two guys in a set and one has better game.

“I don’t think it’s all Game and no looks, nor do I think it’s all looks and no Game”

Me neither. But it’s primarily, VASTLY game, and then 50 periods down is looks and assets, down with peacocking and social proof and preselection etc. All great things to have, but relying on “I have dominant voice tonality” isn’t a good idea. And saying “have dominant voice tonality and peacocking and that’s as good as having “game”” is not good advice for newbies.

Can you explain all that footage I just linked and broke down in this post? How does that fit into what you’re saying? How are these guys getting these results with just game? It shouldn’t be possible for them to get attraction that fast. They should be dressing better and wearing suits and shit…no, it’s irrelevant. Game trumps everything by a ridiculous leap, those videos alone show it and I can find you a shitload more if you like. Again I refer to the Forever Alone crew on the MISC, and all the rich guys who end up taking PUA bootcamps? How does THIS happen?:

http://nextshark.com/why-silicon-valleys-elite-pay-her-up-to-100000-to-find-the-loves-of-their-lives/

All those guys should have no problem getting women. How is some asshole in a scruffy hoodie or a short balding ginger in a plain shirt getting attraction that these rich silicon valley dudes DREAM of?

“So if you have a guy who’s looks, appearance, status is marginally above his Game ability and put him next to a guy with a degree of Game that more than compensates for the other guy’s looks, etc. then he pulls and the better looking guy doesn’t.”

It all comes down to who, in that moment, is running the better game. Look at that footage I’m linking, those girls are CAPTIVATED by Tyler and Julien. Apex fallacy and all that but the point is PROPER GAME consumes her RAS and takes over her world. Proper game, like that powerpuff girls demo, makes other guys invisible to the girl.

Put it this way: if you take me, a very average dude, and put me beside an A&F model, and introduce us to the girl, the FIRST thing I’m going to do is ignore the introduction to flirt with the hot bartender behind us and then when I turn back around I’m going to AMOG the guy and get him to qualify himself to me in front of her then hit the girl with something carrying a shitload of emotional impact and get up in her space so her RAS is focused on me and run a shitload of fast Attraction spiking material, turn her so she can’t see him anymore and then pick her up and carry her into another room.

If I just stood there, or LET us have a nice little 3-way conversation passively hoping that she notices I matched my belt with my socks, she’ll probably go with the A&F model. But I don’t allow that to happen because game isn’t supposed to be this gay passive “I hope she picks me” thing that the Manosphere and TRP run. It’s supposed to come from a frame where YOU are the prize and SHE is working to earn YOU and you’re making enough emotional impact on her (not necessarily through crazy physcial game (with an A&F model tho, I’m takin NO chances that he has game lol so I’m carrying her away), but like Julien’s verbal shit) that that guy disappears to her RAS and she’s focused on the blue cars not the yellow cars.

And more importantly…how many of you guys are running game that has the emotional impact on girls that these guys have? And how many of you are running nice safe Krauser/Roosh game? Do you get the reactions from girls that the RSD guys are getting?


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2015 at 10:05 pm
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@Rollo
“What I mean is I can go pick up a cheap Chinese Armani knock off for $200. Your average woman today couldn’t tell the difference between it and a $2000 genuine Armani. While there is a status association with that suit, clothing has become ubiquitous.”

Watch those vids I just linked and read my breakdowns of them and really look at the girls reactions to GOOD game with emotional impact and ask yourself how much these guys having a $200 knockoff suit or a $2000 Armani suit would make. So little difference that it’s insignificant. A newbie should be focused on learning proper solid game, not filling up his closet. And I’m a guy who went all out buying fancy clubby clothes when I first started sarging. I had like 12 pairs of just different types/styles of JEANS, tons of shirts, a suit, all that shit. 5+ years later and my wardrobe is basically a single pair of jeans and a couple shirts and some sneakers lol Because it doesn’t matter. The reason it doesn’t matter is because I pushed my comfort zone and decided I’d try gaming without relying on that external shit and I pushed through the pain period to come out the other side and now my confidence is ROCK fucking solid. I could get fucked up in a car accident with scars all over my face and I would still be giving off the confidence of a 10 when I’m interacting with people because I built my structure solid.

“Sam Botta and I shared a taxi in Vegas and he asked me what I wore at home, and I said whatever I find comfortable for whatever it is I’m doing.”

Do you think many intermediate guys could walk out to one of your promo parties, wearing what they wear around the house, and confidently interact with your promo model girls with a full belief that they deserve them and can seduce them? Because a Natural like your buddy probably can, and you might be able to because you’re a Natural who was in a rock band and all that, but the average guy wouldn’t DARE. My buddies, the RSD guys, etc. would though. Because we’re building our structure properly and ideally I’d like to see newbies do the same.

“It’s funny, Mrs. Tomassi actually thinks my silvering hair make women more attracted to me; whether it’s true or not it’s an interesting source of passive dread.”

It does. Grey hair is in right now. Young chicks love that shit. All the badass alpha male actors of the previous generation are old men now and all the young guys are pansy Michael Ceras, so older men are “sexy” right now. It’s hilarious.

@scribblerg
Sick, thanks for linking that I forgot I even wrote that lol

Rollo what do you think of the Keys to the VIP videos I linked here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/3/#comment-heartiste-654207

“He’s an actual world-class PUA who has distilled and progressed pick up game to a level that most of us can barely conceive of.”

The funny part is I’m not even that amazing or anything. I’m just a normal dude who trusted guys with WAY more experience than me and put a lot of effort into an exciting challenging hobby I enjoy that forces me to grow and do things I never would’ve believed were possible, and comes with really awesome rewards (aka poon).

But 1) I have a retarded amount of encyclopedia of pickup shit floating around in my brain because I find the subject as a whole fascinating and I love reading and thinking and analyzing stuff about it and for some reason I can recall a lot of it…I couldn’t tell you fuck all about politics or what’s happening in the middle east, but I can tell you what angles you and a buddy should be engaged with a 2-set in for the highest % chance of you guys fucking them lol

And 2) I can do shit that people who meet me or see me don’t expect me to be able to do and, unless they’ve studied a shitload of game, can’t wrap their heads around. I’m not floating on water, even Tyler Julien etc constantly remind their students that they’re not gods (despite the marketing lol), they’re just guys who know how to execute very specific steps and strategies to create specific reactions in people and play the chessboard optimally. That’s it. ANYONE can do it. We’re all just fucking NERDS who were supposed to be weeded out of evolution except we decided going out and talking to girls a few nights a week was more fun than playing xbox or jumping off a building or dying a virgin lol

That said, the oldschool PUA culture fostered a MUCH more experimental culture than the Manosphere/TRP culture fosters. The Manosphere/TRP say “we have this all figured out, just get a suit and act like James Bond”. The PUA culture said “try fucking ANYTHING, just to see what happens, and if we get weird data from it let’s revisit everything we know and see why that data happens”. Like I say, we had a “Tactics & Techniques” section on the old boards where you weren’t allowed to post a technique till you’ve personally tried it successfully at least 3 times, and then guys would go out and pressure test that shit and discuss what was going on and narrow down the results and figure out how the data fit into or changed what we understood about social dynamics.

“Get that YaReally is doing this for us, not him.”

lol this.

My archive has like 50 billion pages. I don’t even remember half of the shit I’ve written. But if you read through all of it you’ll find no inconsistencies or contradictions. Everything I write aligns with everything I’ve written about before (and if you DO find something that seems like a conflict let me know and I’ll be happy to clarify deeper). Do I re-read my old posts before I post new ones? When someone says “do looks matter” do I go dig through my archive for my posts on looks and go “oh I was going to write Such and Such but because I wrote this other conflicting thing here I’d better stick to this idea instead”?

No. Because everything I write is based on the field experience of myself and shit-tons of guys who are going out and sarging and testing this shit out infield under real pressure with real women and dealing with real infield situations and obstacles and group dynamics etc, not analyzing stupid online-dating stats and speed-dating results and Tinder swipes and videos of hot dudes making out with girls and polling damaged Manosphere groupie girls for their opinion and projecting theories about how things should work. So I don’t HAVE to think about any of my previous writing, because as long as the data we’re experiencing in field remains consistent, what I say when someone asks me “do looks matter?” will be consistent.

If we all find out that looks DO matter and suits DO make a huge impact on our results, then I’ll be the FIRST ONE to come back here and say “Guys I was wrong!! Everyone find yourself a knockoff Armani suit!!” Because ultimately I just want guys to get laid and improve themselves and reach their full potential so they can slay at life in all areas. I wouldn’t be recommending shit if it was going to hold them back. I’m not selling anything, I’m not a shill for RSD (they just have a shitload of epic content), I’m not benefitting in ANY way from this. In fact I’ll occasionally get behind on work because I want to explain concepts more in-depth incase guys can get use out of what I’m writing.

I’m not saying don’t question me, go nuts, if what I’m saying is accurate then it should hold up under questioning and I should be able to explain it in ways where there’s significant evidence for people questioning it to address. People are making fun of what I’m saying but nobody is explaining how these guys in these vids are getting the results they’re getting or providing any kind of counter-argument except “well I know a guy who gets laid a lot who likes to wear suits” or “well in the ancient times they wore armor with abs on it” or addressing tiny single points and ignoring all of the mountains of infield footage and shit I’m posting to back up what I’m saying.

Like, I’m open to discussion, but you better have some convincing shit if you’re going against what’s clearly demonstrated in footage and the occasional “I’m going through or have been through exactly what YaReally’s talking about” comment that pops up that nobody replies to.

So debate a way, long as I have free time (like today, I’m stuck inside tonight :( lol) I’m happy to try to clarify and discuss. The moment you think you know everything is the moment you stop knowing fuck all. I’ll always be a student of the game.

But I’m also a student who goes on evidence not feels or theory. I go by what we’re seeing infield, in-action, in realtime, every week.

Like I say, how many of you who are against what I’m saying are sitting here reading this on a Friday night instead of heading out dressed in a t-shirt with messy hair to approach hot young girls at the bar and tell them you work at McDonald’s and live at home with your parents? Anyone? Anyone going to challenge their belief system this weekend? And then lose a bunch of done deal lays to that shit but still stick to it for months or a year until you’re able to still pull while dressed in a t-shirt telling the girl you work at McDonald’s and doing all that not even because it’s proper game but just to KNOW how social dynamics REALLY works?

Or are people going to stay inside or go out to their usual bar, wearing their usual outfit, doing their usual routine and play it nice and safe to not risk coming home with blue-balls or facing social pressure or taking an ego-hit to your identity as a pimp?


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2015 at 10:05 pm
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@Rollo
“What I mean is I can go pick up a cheap Chinese Armani knock off for $200. Your average woman today couldn’t tell the difference between it and a $2000 genuine Armani. While there is a status association with that suit, clothing has become ubiquitous.”

Watch those vids I just linked and read my breakdowns of them and really look at the girls reactions to GOOD game with emotional impact and ask yourself how much these guys having a $200 knockoff suit or a $2000 Armani suit would make. So little difference that it’s insignificant. A newbie should be focused on learning proper solid game, not filling up his closet. And I’m a guy who went all out buying fancy clubby clothes when I first started sarging. I had like 12 pairs of just different types/styles of JEANS, tons of shirts, a suit, all that shit. 5+ years later and my wardrobe is basically a single pair of jeans and a couple shirts and some sneakers lol Because it doesn’t matter. The reason it doesn’t matter is because I pushed my comfort zone and decided I’d try gaming without relying on that external shit and I pushed through the pain period to come out the other side and now my confidence is ROCK fucking solid. I could get fucked up in a car accident with scars all over my face and I would still be giving off the confidence of a 10 when I’m interacting with people because I built my structure solid.

“Sam Botta and I shared a taxi in Vegas and he asked me what I wore at home, and I said whatever I find comfortable for whatever it is I’m doing.”

Do you think many intermediate guys could walk out to one of your promo parties, wearing what they wear around the house, and confidently interact with your promo model girls with a full belief that they deserve them and can seduce them? Because a Natural like your buddy probably can, and you might be able to because you’re a Natural who was in a rock band and all that, but the average guy wouldn’t DARE. My buddies, the RSD guys, etc. would though. Because we’re building our structure properly and ideally I’d like to see newbies do the same.

“It’s funny, Mrs. Tomassi actually thinks my silvering hair make women more attracted to me; whether it’s true or not it’s an interesting source of passive dread.”

It does. Grey hair is in right now. Young chicks love that shit. All the badass alpha male actors of the previous generation are old men now and all the young guys are pansy Michael Ceras, so older men are “sexy” right now. It’s hilarious.

@scribblerg
Sick, thanks for linking that I forgot I even wrote that lol

Rollo what do you think of the Keys to the VIP videos I linked here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/3/#comment-heartiste-654207

“He’s an actual world-class PUA who has distilled and progressed pick up game to a level that most of us can barely conceive of.”

The funny part is I’m not even that amazing or anything. I’m just a normal dude who trusted guys with WAY more experience than me and put a lot of effort into an exciting challenging hobby I enjoy that forces me to grow and do things I never would’ve believed were possible, and comes with really awesome rewards (aka poon).

But 1) I have a retarded amount of encyclopedia of pickup shit floating around in my brain because I find the subject as a whole fascinating and I love reading and thinking and analyzing stuff about it and for some reason I can recall a lot of it…I couldn’t tell you fuck all about politics or what’s happening in the middle east, but I can tell you what angles you and a buddy should be engaged with a 2-set in for the highest % chance of you guys fucking them lol

And 2) I can do shit that people who meet me or see me don’t expect me to be able to do and, unless they’ve studied a shitload of game, can’t wrap their heads around. I’m not floating on water, even Tyler Julien etc constantly remind their students that they’re not gods (despite the marketing lol), they’re just guys who know how to execute very specific steps and strategies to create specific reactions in people and play the chessboard optimally. That’s it. ANYONE can do it. We’re all just fucking NERDS who were supposed to be weeded out of evolution except we decided going out and talking to girls a few nights a week was more fun than playing xbox or jumping off a building or dying a virgin lol

That said, the oldschool PUA culture fostered a MUCH more experimental culture than the Manosphere/TRP culture fosters. The Manosphere/TRP say “we have this all figured out, just get a suit and act like James Bond”. The PUA culture said “try fucking ANYTHING, just to see what happens, and if we get weird data from it let’s revisit everything we know and see why that data happens”. Like I say, we had a “Tactics & Techniques” section on the old boards where you weren’t allowed to post a technique till you’ve personally tried it successfully at least 3 times, and then guys would go out and pressure test that shit and discuss what was going on and narrow down the results and figure out how the data fit into or changed what we understood about social dynamics.

“Get that YaReally is doing this for us, not him.”

lol this.

My archive has like 50 billion pages. I don’t even remember half of the shit I’ve written. But if you read through all of it you’ll find no inconsistencies or contradictions. Everything I write aligns with everything I’ve written about before (and if you DO find something that seems like a conflict let me know and I’ll be happy to clarify deeper). Do I re-read my old posts before I post new ones? When someone says “do looks matter” do I go dig through my archive for my posts on looks and go “oh I was going to write Such and Such but because I wrote this other conflicting thing here I’d better stick to this idea instead”?

No. Because everything I write is based on the field experience of myself and shit-tons of guys who are going out and sarging and testing this shit out infield under real pressure with real women and dealing with real infield situations and obstacles and group dynamics etc, not analyzing stupid online-dating stats and speed-dating results and Tinder swipes and videos of hot dudes making out with girls and polling damaged Manosphere groupie girls for their opinion and projecting theories about how things should work. So I don’t HAVE to think about any of my previous writing, because as long as the data we’re experiencing in field remains consistent, what I say when someone asks me “do looks matter?” will be consistent.

If we all find out that looks DO matter and suits DO make a huge impact on our results, then I’ll be the FIRST ONE to come back here and say “Guys I was wrong!! Everyone find yourself a knockoff Armani suit!!” Because ultimately I just want guys to get laid and improve themselves and reach their full potential so they can slay at life in all areas. I wouldn’t be recommending shit if it was going to hold them back. I’m not selling anything, I’m not a shill for RSD (they just have a shitload of epic content), I’m not benefitting in ANY way from this. In fact I’ll occasionally get behind on work because I want to explain concepts more in-depth incase guys can get use out of what I’m writing.

I’m not saying don’t question me, go nuts, if what I’m saying is accurate then it should hold up under questioning and I should be able to explain it in ways where there’s significant evidence for people questioning it to address. People are making fun of what I’m saying but nobody is explaining how these guys in these vids are getting the results they’re getting or providing any kind of counter-argument except “well I know a guy who gets laid a lot who likes to wear suits” or “well in the ancient times they wore armor with abs on it” or addressing tiny single points and ignoring all of the mountains of infield footage and shit I’m posting to back up what I’m saying.

Like, I’m open to discussion, but you better have some convincing shit if you’re going against what’s clearly demonstrated in footage and the occasional “I’m going through or have been through exactly what YaReally’s talking about” comment that pops up that nobody replies to.

So debate a way, long as I have free time (like today, I’m stuck inside tonight😦 lol) I’m happy to try to clarify and discuss. The moment you think you know everything is the moment you stop knowing fuck all. I’ll always be a student of the game.

But I’m also a student who goes on evidence not feels or theory. I go by what we’re seeing infield, in-action, in realtime, every week.

Like I say, how many of you who are against what I’m saying are sitting here reading this on a Friday night instead of heading out dressed in a t-shirt with messy hair to approach hot young girls at the bar and tell them you work at McDonald’s and live at home with your parents? Anyone? Anyone going to challenge their belief system this weekend? And then lose a bunch of done deal lays to that shit but still stick to it for months or a year until you’re able to still pull while dressed in a t-shirt telling the girl you work at McDonald’s and doing all that not even because it’s proper game but just to KNOW how social dynamics REALLY works?

Or are people going to stay inside or go out to their usual bar, wearing their usual outfit, doing their usual routine and play it nice and safe to not risk coming home with blue-balls or facing social pressure or taking an ego-hit to your identity as a pimp?


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 19th, 2015 at 12:16 am
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@scribblerg
“The actual question at hand in this discussion is whether you would do better in a fine suit than a tee shirt and holey sneakers? You, with your level of game.”

No one will believe me but the suit hampers you when you pass a certain point in game. I have to work like a motherfucker to overcome “you’re a player” resistance and “too good to be true” suspicion if I dress up. It’s funny because you can actually SEE it in their body language…if I walk over in a t-shirt they’re receptive because visually I SEEM harmless. But if I walk over in a suit they start cueing up their bitch-shields lol Dressing down helps me slip under the radar.

That’s with like, the HB6-8 range. The 9s and 10s don’t care what you’re wearing because their whole social circle wears suits and has money and most of them are boring as fuck, those girls are looking for a guy who stands out and has passion and personality etc. That’s why you’ll often see a smokin hot girl with like, some weird tattooed skinny artsy dude. Because they’re looking for something INTERESTING and UNIQUE, not just the best version of the cookie-cutter suit guy. They don’t put value on the suits and money because it’s nothing new to them the way it is for the less hot girls.

It’s a complicated thing, like there are a lot of dynamics at play, but overall I have a MUCH easier time in a t-shirt and holey sneakers. A guy who can approach a hot dolled up girl wearing grubby shit like that, and still feel CONFIDENT enough to be ENTITLED to her is like, he’s projecting all sorts of high-value subcommunications because only a high-value guy would be able to do that. It’s like making fun of a really hot girl, the only guy who can neg a smokin hot girl is a guy who’s been around enough smokin hot girls to treat her like a bratty little sister and not care about if she’s offended.

Hot girls are surrounded by sad thirsty yes-men (AND women, even their friends/family/etc) just let them do whatever they want and agree with everything they say and everything they think or do is the specialest thing ever and everyone is on their best behavior around them and trying not to offend them. It’s like living in a world wrapped in bubble-wrap and carrying a pair of safety scissors.

So a guy who can confidently approach wearing plain clothes, while talking shit to her as if he’s banged a dozen girls just like her and doesn’t put her up on a pedestal, gets a LOT of bonus points.

The problem is society has conditioned men to feel unworthy. Because they read stuff like “you need a suit to DESERVE the girl” and come from a frame of “how do I impress her” instead of “how will she impress ME?” That’s why Krauser has to “impress her” and Tyler/Julien expect her to impress them. Now a lot of early game was coming from the foundation OF “she’s up here, we’re down here, we have to either lower her value or raise our value”, but over the years we’ve had enough evidence and field experience as a community to understand that we’re on the same level and should be viewing ourselves as higher-value by default (that’s why I promote a lot of “she works at fucking McDonald’s, she’s not having intellectual discussions about purpose and life with her peers she’s talking about Justin Beiber right now, she’s LUCKY you would talk to her” mindsets, Patrice O’Neal talks about this shit a LOT, he’s awesome, got an amazing frame with a realistic view of what value men and women bring to the table).

So most guys can’t walk up to that dolled up girl in a t-shirt and sneakers and feel confident…so when they try it they’ll get blown out. Then the question becomes: will they try it again, and again, and again until they learn to tighten their game up so that they CAN do it, and do it consistently? Or will they take the easy liposuction helicopter-to-everest win the lottery path and try to buy a nicer suit or get bigger muscles and hope that that works and build their confidence around those externals to avoid the pain of growth? In the end how solid with those guys be when they settle down with some girl who shit-tests them saying “honey you’re getting kind of fat, I’m not really in the mood” or when she gets promoted at work and with working with high-value suit guys all day and shit-testing him more to compare his core frame with the guys at work?

“In a way though, I realize this is a stupid question as at your level it doesn’t matter much.”

The trick is at ANY guy’s level it doesn’t actually matter much. But guys don’t believe that, so they can’t accept it. They try it and don’t believe it’ll work and the girl picks up on that and her subconscious brain goes “hey if he feels uncomfortable then he must know something I don’t”. If you could lobotomize a guy to remove all his hesitation and self-doubt and restraint on expressing his thoughts and actions, and put him in a t-shirt and walk him into a set of hot girls, he would probably get laid like crazy. Like if he was so dumb or so out of touch or was spergy enough to not understand that he’s SUPPOSED to be intimidated by hot girls or that he’s SUPPOSED to feel self-conscious wearing a t-shirt talking to them, he would very likely get a shitload of attraction (I’ve actually had spergy dudes mention this happening before, and it’s consistent with how attraction works).

It’s such a fucked up concept to accept though because we all have insane amounts of social conditioning that keep us from believing it. We are taught to believe that we need to JUSTIFY feeling good and confident. We’re taught we can’t feel confident unless we have a laundry list of specific external achievements we can point to that indicate we deserve to feel confident and happy.

Do GIRLS worry about JUSTIFYING why they’re high value? Think of that entitled retarded bitchy fat 4/10 at the bar who’s a super-cockblock rude and walks around with the attitude that she’s a 10 etc. Does that girl have ANY REASON to think she’s a 10? No she’s a piece of shit lol BUT she’s had ALL OF SOCIETY conditioning her from birth that she’s special because she’s a girl and no matter what she does there are thirsty guys out there who want to fuck her. So she’s riding around on an insane sense of entitlement that’s backed up by NOTHING.

The best Natural I know is convinced that everything he does is awesome all the time no matter what. It doesn’t even enter his head that he doesn’t deserve to feel that way or he should have to rationalize feeling that he’s awesome and deserves hot girls. Like he would be puzzled if you were like “well but what’s that BASED on??”

But this is one of those things where guys won’t accept it till they get there and experience it and understand it first-hand, and then a WHOLE LOT OF TIME they spent worrying about shit like looks or whether their shirt was pressed or whether their hair was done perfectly was all just fluff lol

“I was talking about wearing a Canali suit (their cut was perfect for my body shape), fitted expertly for me with perfectly fitting Pink or better shirts, great cufflinks etc.”

Great, go nuts. But now watch the infield footage I just linked of Tyler and Julien and tell me how much faster you think those girls who are making out with them and following them off into the night and looking at them like they’re the greatest thing in the world, would do that stuff if they were wearing a Canali suit with really nice cufflinks? How many of those girls do you think would even be able to take a break in-between their fits of buying temperature spikes to LOOK for cufflinks?

“So, dress like that and tell me you don’t get more ass, I dare you…”

lol I spent a few years rolling out with guys who dress like that. I shouldn’t have been able to get laid around them and yet……

It’s one of those things where proper game has the girl CAPTIVATED by you almost immediately. When you can get dolled up hotties (like in those infield vids) up on you in a couple minutes of game, dressing nicer or having bigger biceps is just like, there’s no real point to it. It’s cool, it’s a nice cherry on top, but it’s fluff.

Now if you go to the bar and stand around with a drink in your hand waiting for girls to approach you, ya a suit is great.

“I also want to ask you if you have ever dressed like that in your life?”

I’m poor as fuck but I’ve been a part of a lot of social circles (from the top to the bottom, rich suit dudes of various ages down to construction working scrubs getting shit-faced off jagerbombs at student bars lol). You meet a lot of people when you go out a lot.

“Do you ever wear fine designer clothing and look absolutely impeccable?”

I’ve worn some designer shit (nothing in the crazy rich-dude zone ’cause I’m poor) but I’ve had nice designer jeans and shirts and shit before. But in the high-end circles I’ve been with lots of the guys wore fancy shit. Some of my regular haunts were places where guys just pull out a wad of hundreds to pay for rounds of drinks for everyone in that part of the bar not caring if they know them or not, lining up a hundred shots at a time, bottle service bla bla Lots of guys in that super gay looking shiny shit that I’m sure is probably expensive but like, where their suit or pants looks like dressy material but has some kind of glossy sheen to it. Fucking weird to me I just make fun of them to girls lol But ya, fancy cufflinks and guys with yatchs and downtown rooftop condos with pools and shit were a part of the crowd at those venues. I was probably one of the least impressive looking guys there, but I was more confident than I logically had any “right” to be lol, but it’s because I understand all the social dynamics of what’s going on. To be fair I DID often wear a $40 dress shirt at that venue if I wasn’t wearing a t-shirt, but that was more for the bouncers than girls lol

“If you don’t, my guess is that you have no idea what it’s like”

I watched a LOT of those guys 1) doing coke to unleash their confident side, 2) bribing girls with coke because they didn’t have enough game for girls to want to fuck them for THEM, 3) going home with girls WAY below what they should be going home with, 4) going to after-hours brothels to fuck hookers, 5) chasing around retarded girlfriends/exes that are just tooling them, 6) throwing down a TON of money that meant nothing to them but did nothing to attract girls except the blatant golddigger-and-proud-of-it types, and 7) try to take girls off me because I look like easy prey.

I’m not saying “oh no one wearing a suit ever gets laid”, but the hype of the suit is WAY overblown esp when you get higher up in terms of game skills. It just doesn’t matter.

(recently I moved and am in a different enviro my current shirt cost me $9 and I only bought it because the one I was wearing had too many holes in it lol)

“there are times when I got IOIs from every woman in every room I walked into.”

Like I’ve said SO many times that I’m starting to wonder if I should capitalize it in big black font at the top of each of my posts: looks will get you Approach Invites and Warm Approaches. And that’s super as long as no one with solid game is stepping in and fucking with those girls emotions.

@kfg
“That’s what it’s there for. Back in the day simply living long enough to get silver hair implied that you were some kind of badass. Gorillas get silver backs, we get silver heads.”

Stealing that for when I get age and grey hair shit-tests lol Right now when girls notice the little grey hairs I’m starting to get I just say “ya I grew them just now, from putting up with YOUR shit. You’re trying to stress me out so I’m ugly enough for you to have a shot with me ;)” etc etc (emotional impact, no one says shit like that to her)

@scribblerg
“I’m having a hard time applying game as I was/am a bit of a natural.”

Ya that happens a lot. It’s like teaching someone who’s never fought before how to box, VS teaching someone who’s done a bunch of martial arts to box…like, they have an advantage in some areas, but also a lot of weird habits and shit that are counterproductive for what they’re trying to learn. I lucked out in that I had so little experience socializing and pretty much literally zero experience with girls, that I was able to say “ok these guys seem to know what they’re talking about and I KNOW that I don’t know FUCK ALL, so I’m just going to trust what they say and go try it out like they say to” So I had an easier time picking it up because I didn’t already think “I know how to do this” or already have an identity as a player or as a person who acts a specific way that I wanted to hold onto. I WANTED to overhaul myself entirely.

Like even take our conversation right now. You wore a sick super pimp suit, Rollo has been captain suit and super rockband dude and shit most(all?) of his life. So in your guys’ world and experience you have a VERY strong desire to hold onto the “suit has significant value” idea, because in your world it DOES and it would take a LOT of first-hand experience of gaming dolled up girls dressed like shit before you would be able to re-evaluate that. That’s why I can post all these videos showing how little looks and suits matter and it’s like “yeah BUT……” Whereas I didn’t have a lot of preconceived notions because I was basically a nothing social hermit until I started this shit. So when I read “looks don’t matter” I went “huh, well I guess I’ll try going out looking like shit and see what happens” and it wasn’t a huge ego painbody hit to put myself through that and collect the reference experiences first-hand. It was still tough but like, wiring new programming isn’t as tough as REwiring bad programming.

So you take a guy who’s really used to getting laid a certain way, and then tell him “okay change shit up”, he’ll try the new way but the second it isn’t working he instinctively defaults back to his old way, because his old way WORKED and worked enough for him to have been happy up to that point…so like, how is he going to motivate himself to do stuff that he doesn’t know if it’ll work when he KNOWS this other way has worked before? So they dabble a bit and then bail and stick to their old patterns and mindsets.

On the flip side of the cool Naturals, a lot of nerdy anti-social guys come into game hoping to just tweak a few things and still be just these negative damaged fucks. They don’t want to go through the hard work of years of a complete overhaul, they just want to learn like “look, I want to still be a basement dwelling troll in the shadows sucking down mountain dew and coke while I play World of Warcraft but I want to be able to just slither forth out of the shadows and go up to a 10 and say some magic line and then suck her away to my sex dungeon in the shadows and just keep on being a negative broken internally damaged value-taker”.

That’s not you, I just mean like, a lot of guys view it as a little simple thing they’ll dabble in and handle in a month or two no problem. To paraphrase Tyler Durden in Fight Club, this isn’t a seminar, it’s not a weekend retreat, this is your LIFE.

“But I have little conscious control over it and when it doesn’t come naturally I get stymied.”

The only real difference between what you’re doing and what a guy like Tyler or me is doing is you describe it as flow you don’t have control over. Tyler breaks that kind of thing down into very specific steps that he can explain and execute to get himself INTO a state where he’s flowing again, while you kind of have to just hope the inspiration hits when you need it. So like, some things Tyler advises could help, but they could also make you overthink things since your brain seems to prefer not overthinking it.

Like here’s how Tyler gets himself into that flow state, broken down into 6 steps he executes:

“Fyi, remember, I’m 53, still 15 lbs overweight, 5’8″”

You could always dig out that suit. ;)

“I start to “think” and it just gets worse.”

We call this paralysis by analysis. My buddy went through a bad case of it last night. His problem was that he had too many openers to choose from (like that sales thing where if you give people too many options they can’t decide) and I could literally SEE on his face that he was cycling through all his possible openers in his head trying to pick “the best one” that the girls would like etc etc (lots of bad mindsets going on there, dude has been out of the game for a while and is getting his shit handled again). So after choking at the bar he wrote down 2 default openers to use in the future so he won’t have that indecision problem again.

But he’s a technical guy who likes routines. As a Natural and from the way you describe your thought process, my guess is that you tend to just improvise your openers on the spot…which is great if you’re in a good flowing state, but if you’re not then suddenly nothing seems “good enough” and trying to actively think of “good enough” stuff just makes everything seem even LESS “good enough” lol

“I stay cool though as I know it’s just women but still I’m off my game.”

Isn’t it funny how much power those 3 girls had? You’re there with successful young tech startups. Girls should be falling over themselves to meet guys like that, and yet the girls just strut in and stand around and wait for you guys to impress them lol How insane is that.

Like Tyler says “in terms of social currency the highest value person possible is a hot girl. The doctor who saved a thousand dying children’s lives over in Africa will be stuck standing in line and the slutty girl who’s boyfriend bought her a pair of fake tits who just snorted a line of coke in a public bathroom and struts up to the bouncer in a too-small skirt and heels she can’t even walk in will get let in with a smile.”

No matter how money you look in your suit you will never be as high value as a 10/10 hot girl to most of society. Rollo’s a money dude but when he walks in with 5 hot promo model babes in slutty dresses, everyone is noticing the hot promo models first. Society will bend over backwards for that 10/10 girl a thousand times harder than they’ll bend for you and your suit and you had to work your ass off to get to a point in life where you had that suit, all she had to do to earn her status is puke up her dinner in the bathroom and be born with nice facial genetics or paint over it with convincing makeup if she wasn’t.

That value system is warped and fucked to anyone who can step back from it and really view it objectively. So if you can’t win that value system, seek a new one. Value different things. Develop a strong frame and influence those around you to value the things you value. Tyler lectures girls in the bar about vitamins and eating rishi mushrooms and makes fun of them for drinking (he doesn’t drink or do drugs), and those girls fall into his frame and start thinking vitamin shit is cool and writing down which ones they should be buying and qualifying themselves on how they normally never drink when they were wasted the night before etc. It’s fun, pick something you know everyone thinks is dumb and make people believe it’s awesome, and take something everyone thinks is awesome and make people think it’s dumb (this is part of how I AMOG suit guys…if a girl thinks the people around her think a suit is try-hard, she thinks a suit is try-hard, because girls ping off their environment for how to feel)

“I notice a women in her mid-late 30s noticing me and am immediately interested as she’s dressed designer level and is put together well. A 6ish but as I’ve mentioned here, I’m looking to establish a fuckbuddy just like her as my fallback while I work the volatile young hotties.”

Before we move on, check out the Julien PIMP video I linked in my big video dump where he’s fucking with a done-up cougar and getting her to MASSIVELY chase and qualify herself to him while he’s just wearing a shitty black hoodie, no Canoli suit or anything. Think back to last night, could you get that late-30s chick you’re talking about to react to and chase you and qualify you and demand makeouts etc the way that chick is to Julien…while you’re wearing a hoodie? Or when I say that and you try to visualize it, does your brain instinctively think “that’s crazy, WHY would she react like that to me if I was in a hoodie?” and it can’t justify a reason why she should act that way if you aren’t done up? And IF that’s the case, how do you think that relates to situational confidence and why I’m stressing the things I’m stressing in this comment section?

“Since I’m comfy, I don’t even acknowledge her or try or think, I just put her on my “heads up display” and continue to network.”

Consider dropping a comment as you pass her (not an interaction, just a throwaway…call her “trouble” or something with a wink and move on to your business), just anything to get your brain into “we didn’t wanna say anything cause someone might kill us, but you made us just say something, and no one killed us, so I think it’s safe to say MORE things” mode faster. Tyler calls it “open all”. It can help you unstifle. On nights where I’ve been working all day and am not in a social mood at all, I’ll do this when I first get into the bar to get my brain to loosen up and unstifle.

“I’m getting into some random convos and feeling better already.”

Like I say, you’re doing what Tyler’s 6 steps are, but you’re doing it instinctively, which means 1) you’ll probably enjoy it more and not view it as a “task”, but 2) you’ll have less control over WHEN you “feel better”.

“I did all this long before the Red Pill or “game”.”

lol ya, it’s cool to read and good on you for tearing it up like that. But ultimately you’re just doing the same thing we’re doing. Because game isn’t made up from nowhere. Game comes from LITERALLY watching guys like you in-field and reverse engineering what you’re doing into consistent repeatable steps. Like I can go through your entire field report and tell you exactly what PUA principles you’re unconsciously executing where and why they cause the things they cause etc. Whereas you can only really describe what you’re doing in vague flowy terms because you don’t really put a lot of conscious thought into it, and it works JUST FINE for you…except when it doesn’t. :)

One of the big differences between a PUA and a Natural is that when a Natural isn’t “in state” as we call it (your flowy state), we have conscious steps we can take to get ourselves INTO that state whereas a Natural is kind of at the mercy of luck with it which can be frustrating at times.

Mystery’s A1 to S3 nerd-chart is really just a breakdown of the stages that naturally happen in a solid seduction in the order they naturally happen in. ie – you actually follow Mystery Method, you just aren’t aware of it. All he did was put labels to consistent patterns and then give guys some ideas on how to move from stage to stage in that pattern consistently/efficiently.

“But I also never had mastery.”

Another key distinction is that a lot of guys get into game not just to get laid, but to have CHOICE. A LOT of Naturals get laid, but not necessarily by the girl they WANT, but by the girl who hands them an opportunity. If nothing else panned out you would have probably banged that late 30s 6/10 chick…but did you walk in and see her and think “wow I want THAT girl”? Or was it more like “well, she’ll do in a pinch” because she made eye-contact with you and you know it’ll be easy/convenient, know what I mean?

“Some situation would put me in that mode and I was golden, but other times I’m not able to generate it”

Check out that Tyler 6-steps vid and see if it gives you anything you can use. As a Natural it’s hard to know what’ll be useful to you or what’ll fuck you up more lol Whereas like, I could give those steps to a more spergy type guy (like Tyler) and he would just blindly follow them and be likely to get into that state.

“I have grooved in a few good habits consciously like push-pull and teasing/negging but I already did that stuff to some degree anyway.”

That might be all you can really get from game, is just topping off and refining stuff you already do. You may be able to take a lot of internal mindsets out of it too, but in terms of actual external techniques look at the stuff and try to pick up the general concept but don’t stress following it too close cause you’re already doing a lot of it in a congruent way naturally.

From your field report my guess is that the stuff on getting into state will help you the most, ’cause once you get in that state you seem like you’ll be just fine. So that might be the only thing game can really offer you in the end, is the ability to get back into that groove easier or on purpose, which is still a pretty useful thing to get from it.

“You talk about your natural friend, do you see a conflict between him trying to “game” vs. just flowing?”

I actually avoided talking about PUA shit with him and kept everything in vague Natural style terms because what he was doing was so beautiful that I didn’t want to risk fucking it up by making him aware of it, you know? But he had the same problems at you, getting “into state” as we call it is tricky for Naturals. That’s why a lot of them have really strict pre-party routines, like they have to listen to certain songs or hang out with certain people or start at a specific time or arrive at the bar with certain people or drink certain drinks or wear certain clothes or do certain activities (gym, nap, etc) before the night begins, etc and if you fuck with those things they get UPSET AS FUCK because you’re fucking with their chance to catch that shooting star they’re trying to summon so they can get laid that night lol

And when they DO have a “state crash” as we call it, they get hit HARD. It’s not unlike a temper tantrum from a 5 year old lol And it seems silly at first that a grown man would be so fucking butthurt and lose all his mojo over like, he couldn’t find the shirt he wanted to wear, or get into the venue he expected to get into etc, but in reality that stuff is really important to him because he doesn’t know how to really “summon” that state at will so when he loses it he’s losing EVERYTHING and the night can be ruined for him and it can be super hard for him to get back into it…which is usually when the liquor starts flowing twice as fast and shit gets messy lol

“Am I making any sense?”

Ya man, standard shit no worries. The reason I can nail a bunch of this stuff is that, like I say, I’ve hung with Naturals and we see this stuff all the time in the community etc, so problems that, to you are like “man, it feels like such and such, does that make sense?” we’re just like “oh ya we call that Blah, and here’s a prescription for how we usually fix that, now get back out there and let us know how it goes and we’ll tweak whatever else needs tweaking if that doesn’t work!” :)

The big thing a lot of guys take from game is just a sense of RELIEF that “holy shit there are NAMES for the things I’m going through and other people have gone through them”, like going to a doctor and he casually tells you “oh ya no that’s not ebola that’s just an infection, pop these pills for a couple weeks and come back if that doesn’t clear it up” and it’s like “what? WHEW!!!! thanks doc!!” Like it’s that relief feeling of the world suddenly making SENSE.

“When I’m in the zone, I’ve fucked hotties when 25 lbs overweight, not in a suit, even when they thought I was a bit of an ass.”

And yet, most people will go through that but STILL attribute value to their suit instead of to “when I’m in the zone and delusionally confident about my looks, I get attraction” and refuse to go out without their shiny cufflinks that get them Approach Invites…even though they HAVE reference experiences, first-hand, of not needing those cufflinks to bang hotties. It’s surreal the cognitive dissonance involved lol

“I also never “try” when in that state. If a woman loses interest or makes me work, I’m out (which often makes them react by coming back and working harder, lol).”

Ya it’s just outcome independent and coming from an “I am the prize” mentality (she has to work and impress you, not the other way around) etc. The only catch with it is that you have a lack of control. ie – if a girl tries to make you work for her, you just peace out and IF she happens to chase, then you can bang her, but that’s not really in your control it’s just seeing what happens TO you VS MAKING things happen. Whereas a guy with conscious pickup game will run into a girl who tries to make him work for her and he’ll just use game tech to flip that shit around and spike attraction in her and he has a decent shot at banging her…it’s a lot more in his control whether he gets her or not because he has tools to turn things around or dismantle the shit she throws at him.

Thing is you might instinctively think “but it’s my CHOICE, I don’t WANT to work hard for her, I don’t care enough to” but 1) it’s hard “hard” work when you train that skill up anymore than your turning around in your seat to tell the room to sit in closer chairs was “hard” work (it becomes effortless “flow”), and 2) you’ll get laid enough that that’s fine. Like another part of why Naturals have trouble is their system works often enough that their dick is happy so it’s like why would you build a new car from scratch when your old car worked 90% of the time, whereas the guy with no car has more motivation to build that new car from scratch.

“I feel like a million bucks when I’m in that state and completely confident and switched on.”
:) That feeling is what addicted me to the game lol Guys who haven’t tasted what that state feels like can’t really relate, but when you regularly sarge you can tap into that state most nights even for a short period and feel like a god. Nothing beats it. And from what I can tell it’s the same thing people who hit their flow state etc in sports, hobbies, whatever feel.

I’ve walked into nightclubs a complete nobody and just through sheer game and applying social dynamics (using social proof, merging sets forward, being the social connector, running group theory, befriending AMOGs, etc) taken over the club to the point where by last call everyone knows my name and is buying me drinks and girls are fighting over me and staff remembers me for months and for weeks after that I’m running into random people I don’t even remember meeting who shout my name because they met me that night or saw me in action “you’re that GUY!!! omg!” etc. My buddies and I would do that for fun to challenge ourselves. And instead of going to that same venue the next night or next week and take peoples numbers and all that shit to ride that momentum, we would instead avoid taking numbers and scrap all of the work we did by going to some other venue where we could start over from being nobodies again and try to do it again. That shit was a blast when I was in my late 20s and had more energy but in my early 30s it’s a little more for “special occasions” because as an introvert a night like that can be pretty exhausting (I used to go into bathrooms halfway through the night to catch a breather before heading back out into the chaos). I’m trying to convince my buddy we should give it a go oldschool style like that for fun but he’s even lower energy than me lol

“These days I’ve got my life much more together and am happier with myself and I think that has a lot to do with it. But still, I get shut down easily too sometimes as evidenced by the way I reacted to the young hotties earlier in the evening.”

It’s all good. A sometimes helpful tip for Naturals is to view the first part of the night as just a laugh. No pressure to go mack those girls whatsoever, just fuck around with your table and entertain yourself and make yourself laugh. Get yourself into a good state and trust your brain to take you over to those silly girls and make their night by letting them meet a high value guy. :D

“Can a natural fuck himself up by working on game? Waddaya think?”

Definitely. But to some of them that’s a risk worth taking if it means having more control over that flow state. But like I say, that might be ALL you really take from game, and that might be all you really need.


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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on September 19th, 2015 at 12:16 am
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@scribblerg
“The actual question at hand in this discussion is whether you would do better in a fine suit than a tee shirt and holey sneakers? You, with your level of game.”

No one will believe me but the suit hampers you when you pass a certain point in game. I have to work like a motherfucker to overcome “you’re a player” resistance and “too good to be true” suspicion if I dress up. It’s funny because you can actually SEE it in their body language…if I walk over in a t-shirt they’re receptive because visually I SEEM harmless. But if I walk over in a suit they start cueing up their bitch-shields lol Dressing down helps me slip under the radar.

That’s with like, the HB6-8 range. The 9s and 10s don’t care what you’re wearing because their whole social circle wears suits and has money and most of them are boring as fuck, those girls are looking for a guy who stands out and has passion and personality etc. That’s why you’ll often see a smokin hot girl with like, some weird tattooed skinny artsy dude. Because they’re looking for something INTERESTING and UNIQUE, not just the best version of the cookie-cutter suit guy. They don’t put value on the suits and money because it’s nothing new to them the way it is for the less hot girls.

It’s a complicated thing, like there are a lot of dynamics at play, but overall I have a MUCH easier time in a t-shirt and holey sneakers. A guy who can approach a hot dolled up girl wearing grubby shit like that, and still feel CONFIDENT enough to be ENTITLED to her is like, he’s projecting all sorts of high-value subcommunications because only a high-value guy would be able to do that. It’s like making fun of a really hot girl, the only guy who can neg a smokin hot girl is a guy who’s been around enough smokin hot girls to treat her like a bratty little sister and not care about if she’s offended.

Hot girls are surrounded by sad thirsty yes-men (AND women, even their friends/family/etc) just let them do whatever they want and agree with everything they say and everything they think or do is the specialest thing ever and everyone is on their best behavior around them and trying not to offend them. It’s like living in a world wrapped in bubble-wrap and carrying a pair of safety scissors.

So a guy who can confidently approach wearing plain clothes, while talking shit to her as if he’s banged a dozen girls just like her and doesn’t put her up on a pedestal, gets a LOT of bonus points.

The problem is society has conditioned men to feel unworthy. Because they read stuff like “you need a suit to DESERVE the girl” and come from a frame of “how do I impress her” instead of “how will she impress ME?” That’s why Krauser has to “impress her” and Tyler/Julien expect her to impress them. Now a lot of early game was coming from the foundation OF “she’s up here, we’re down here, we have to either lower her value or raise our value”, but over the years we’ve had enough evidence and field experience as a community to understand that we’re on the same level and should be viewing ourselves as higher-value by default (that’s why I promote a lot of “she works at fucking McDonald’s, she’s not having intellectual discussions about purpose and life with her peers she’s talking about Justin Beiber right now, she’s LUCKY you would talk to her” mindsets, Patrice O’Neal talks about this shit a LOT, he’s awesome, got an amazing frame with a realistic view of what value men and women bring to the table).

So most guys can’t walk up to that dolled up girl in a t-shirt and sneakers and feel confident…so when they try it they’ll get blown out. Then the question becomes: will they try it again, and again, and again until they learn to tighten their game up so that they CAN do it, and do it consistently? Or will they take the easy liposuction helicopter-to-everest win the lottery path and try to buy a nicer suit or get bigger muscles and hope that that works and build their confidence around those externals to avoid the pain of growth? In the end how solid with those guys be when they settle down with some girl who shit-tests them saying “honey you’re getting kind of fat, I’m not really in the mood” or when she gets promoted at work and with working with high-value suit guys all day and shit-testing him more to compare his core frame with the guys at work?

“In a way though, I realize this is a stupid question as at your level it doesn’t matter much.”

The trick is at ANY guy’s level it doesn’t actually matter much. But guys don’t believe that, so they can’t accept it. They try it and don’t believe it’ll work and the girl picks up on that and her subconscious brain goes “hey if he feels uncomfortable then he must know something I don’t”. If you could lobotomize a guy to remove all his hesitation and self-doubt and restraint on expressing his thoughts and actions, and put him in a t-shirt and walk him into a set of hot girls, he would probably get laid like crazy. Like if he was so dumb or so out of touch or was spergy enough to not understand that he’s SUPPOSED to be intimidated by hot girls or that he’s SUPPOSED to feel self-conscious wearing a t-shirt talking to them, he would very likely get a shitload of attraction (I’ve actually had spergy dudes mention this happening before, and it’s consistent with how attraction works).

It’s such a fucked up concept to accept though because we all have insane amounts of social conditioning that keep us from believing it. We are taught to believe that we need to JUSTIFY feeling good and confident. We’re taught we can’t feel confident unless we have a laundry list of specific external achievements we can point to that indicate we deserve to feel confident and happy.

Do GIRLS worry about JUSTIFYING why they’re high value? Think of that entitled retarded bitchy fat 4/10 at the bar who’s a super-cockblock rude and walks around with the attitude that she’s a 10 etc. Does that girl have ANY REASON to think she’s a 10? No she’s a piece of shit lol BUT she’s had ALL OF SOCIETY conditioning her from birth that she’s special because she’s a girl and no matter what she does there are thirsty guys out there who want to fuck her. So she’s riding around on an insane sense of entitlement that’s backed up by NOTHING.

The best Natural I know is convinced that everything he does is awesome all the time no matter what. It doesn’t even enter his head that he doesn’t deserve to feel that way or he should have to rationalize feeling that he’s awesome and deserves hot girls. Like he would be puzzled if you were like “well but what’s that BASED on??”

But this is one of those things where guys won’t accept it till they get there and experience it and understand it first-hand, and then a WHOLE LOT OF TIME they spent worrying about shit like looks or whether their shirt was pressed or whether their hair was done perfectly was all just fluff lol

“I was talking about wearing a Canali suit (their cut was perfect for my body shape), fitted expertly for me with perfectly fitting Pink or better shirts, great cufflinks etc.”

Great, go nuts. But now watch the infield footage I just linked of Tyler and Julien and tell me how much faster you think those girls who are making out with them and following them off into the night and looking at them like they’re the greatest thing in the world, would do that stuff if they were wearing a Canali suit with really nice cufflinks? How many of those girls do you think would even be able to take a break in-between their fits of buying temperature spikes to LOOK for cufflinks?

“So, dress like that and tell me you don’t get more ass, I dare you…”

lol I spent a few years rolling out with guys who dress like that. I shouldn’t have been able to get laid around them and yet……

It’s one of those things where proper game has the girl CAPTIVATED by you almost immediately. When you can get dolled up hotties (like in those infield vids) up on you in a couple minutes of game, dressing nicer or having bigger biceps is just like, there’s no real point to it. It’s cool, it’s a nice cherry on top, but it’s fluff.

Now if you go to the bar and stand around with a drink in your hand waiting for girls to approach you, ya a suit is great.

“I also want to ask you if you have ever dressed like that in your life?”

I’m poor as fuck but I’ve been a part of a lot of social circles (from the top to the bottom, rich suit dudes of various ages down to construction working scrubs getting shit-faced off jagerbombs at student bars lol). You meet a lot of people when you go out a lot.

“Do you ever wear fine designer clothing and look absolutely impeccable?”

I’ve worn some designer shit (nothing in the crazy rich-dude zone ’cause I’m poor) but I’ve had nice designer jeans and shirts and shit before. But in the high-end circles I’ve been with lots of the guys wore fancy shit. Some of my regular haunts were places where guys just pull out a wad of hundreds to pay for rounds of drinks for everyone in that part of the bar not caring if they know them or not, lining up a hundred shots at a time, bottle service bla bla Lots of guys in that super gay looking shiny shit that I’m sure is probably expensive but like, where their suit or pants looks like dressy material but has some kind of glossy sheen to it. Fucking weird to me I just make fun of them to girls lol But ya, fancy cufflinks and guys with yatchs and downtown rooftop condos with pools and shit were a part of the crowd at those venues. I was probably one of the least impressive looking guys there, but I was more confident than I logically had any “right” to be lol, but it’s because I understand all the social dynamics of what’s going on. To be fair I DID often wear a $40 dress shirt at that venue if I wasn’t wearing a t-shirt, but that was more for the bouncers than girls lol

“If you don’t, my guess is that you have no idea what it’s like”

I watched a LOT of those guys 1) doing coke to unleash their confident side, 2) bribing girls with coke because they didn’t have enough game for girls to want to fuck them for THEM, 3) going home with girls WAY below what they should be going home with, 4) going to after-hours brothels to fuck hookers, 5) chasing around retarded girlfriends/exes that are just tooling them, 6) throwing down a TON of money that meant nothing to them but did nothing to attract girls except the blatant golddigger-and-proud-of-it types, and 7) try to take girls off me because I look like easy prey.

I’m not saying “oh no one wearing a suit ever gets laid”, but the hype of the suit is WAY overblown esp when you get higher up in terms of game skills. It just doesn’t matter.

(recently I moved and am in a different enviro my current shirt cost me $9 and I only bought it because the one I was wearing had too many holes in it lol)

“there are times when I got IOIs from every woman in every room I walked into.”

Like I’ve said SO many times that I’m starting to wonder if I should capitalize it in big black font at the top of each of my posts: looks will get you Approach Invites and Warm Approaches. And that’s super as long as no one with solid game is stepping in and fucking with those girls emotions.

@kfg
“That’s what it’s there for. Back in the day simply living long enough to get silver hair implied that you were some kind of badass. Gorillas get silver backs, we get silver heads.”

Stealing that for when I get age and grey hair shit-tests lol Right now when girls notice the little grey hairs I’m starting to get I just say “ya I grew them just now, from putting up with YOUR shit. You’re trying to stress me out so I’m ugly enough for you to have a shot with me ;)” etc etc (emotional impact, no one says shit like that to her)

@scribblerg
“I’m having a hard time applying game as I was/am a bit of a natural.”

Ya that happens a lot. It’s like teaching someone who’s never fought before how to box, VS teaching someone who’s done a bunch of martial arts to box…like, they have an advantage in some areas, but also a lot of weird habits and shit that are counterproductive for what they’re trying to learn. I lucked out in that I had so little experience socializing and pretty much literally zero experience with girls, that I was able to say “ok these guys seem to know what they’re talking about and I KNOW that I don’t know FUCK ALL, so I’m just going to trust what they say and go try it out like they say to” So I had an easier time picking it up because I didn’t already think “I know how to do this” or already have an identity as a player or as a person who acts a specific way that I wanted to hold onto. I WANTED to overhaul myself entirely.

Like even take our conversation right now. You wore a sick super pimp suit, Rollo has been captain suit and super rockband dude and shit most(all?) of his life. So in your guys’ world and experience you have a VERY strong desire to hold onto the “suit has significant value” idea, because in your world it DOES and it would take a LOT of first-hand experience of gaming dolled up girls dressed like shit before you would be able to re-evaluate that. That’s why I can post all these videos showing how little looks and suits matter and it’s like “yeah BUT……” Whereas I didn’t have a lot of preconceived notions because I was basically a nothing social hermit until I started this shit. So when I read “looks don’t matter” I went “huh, well I guess I’ll try going out looking like shit and see what happens” and it wasn’t a huge ego painbody hit to put myself through that and collect the reference experiences first-hand. It was still tough but like, wiring new programming isn’t as tough as REwiring bad programming.

So you take a guy who’s really used to getting laid a certain way, and then tell him “okay change shit up”, he’ll try the new way but the second it isn’t working he instinctively defaults back to his old way, because his old way WORKED and worked enough for him to have been happy up to that point…so like, how is he going to motivate himself to do stuff that he doesn’t know if it’ll work when he KNOWS this other way has worked before? So they dabble a bit and then bail and stick to their old patterns and mindsets.

On the flip side of the cool Naturals, a lot of nerdy anti-social guys come into game hoping to just tweak a few things and still be just these negative damaged fucks. They don’t want to go through the hard work of years of a complete overhaul, they just want to learn like “look, I want to still be a basement dwelling troll in the shadows sucking down mountain dew and coke while I play World of Warcraft but I want to be able to just slither forth out of the shadows and go up to a 10 and say some magic line and then suck her away to my sex dungeon in the shadows and just keep on being a negative broken internally damaged value-taker”.

That’s not you, I just mean like, a lot of guys view it as a little simple thing they’ll dabble in and handle in a month or two no problem. To paraphrase Tyler Durden in Fight Club, this isn’t a seminar, it’s not a weekend retreat, this is your LIFE.

“But I have little conscious control over it and when it doesn’t come naturally I get stymied.”

The only real difference between what you’re doing and what a guy like Tyler or me is doing is you describe it as flow you don’t have control over. Tyler breaks that kind of thing down into very specific steps that he can explain and execute to get himself INTO a state where he’s flowing again, while you kind of have to just hope the inspiration hits when you need it. So like, some things Tyler advises could help, but they could also make you overthink things since your brain seems to prefer not overthinking it.

Like here’s how Tyler gets himself into that flow state, broken down into 6 steps he executes:

“Fyi, remember, I’m 53, still 15 lbs overweight, 5’8″”

You could always dig out that suit. πŸ˜‰

“I start to “think” and it just gets worse.”

We call this paralysis by analysis. My buddy went through a bad case of it last night. His problem was that he had too many openers to choose from (like that sales thing where if you give people too many options they can’t decide) and I could literally SEE on his face that he was cycling through all his possible openers in his head trying to pick “the best one” that the girls would like etc etc (lots of bad mindsets going on there, dude has been out of the game for a while and is getting his shit handled again). So after choking at the bar he wrote down 2 default openers to use in the future so he won’t have that indecision problem again.

But he’s a technical guy who likes routines. As a Natural and from the way you describe your thought process, my guess is that you tend to just improvise your openers on the spot…which is great if you’re in a good flowing state, but if you’re not then suddenly nothing seems “good enough” and trying to actively think of “good enough” stuff just makes everything seem even LESS “good enough” lol

“I stay cool though as I know it’s just women but still I’m off my game.”

Isn’t it funny how much power those 3 girls had? You’re there with successful young tech startups. Girls should be falling over themselves to meet guys like that, and yet the girls just strut in and stand around and wait for you guys to impress them lol How insane is that.

Like Tyler says “in terms of social currency the highest value person possible is a hot girl. The doctor who saved a thousand dying children’s lives over in Africa will be stuck standing in line and the slutty girl who’s boyfriend bought her a pair of fake tits who just snorted a line of coke in a public bathroom and struts up to the bouncer in a too-small skirt and heels she can’t even walk in will get let in with a smile.”

No matter how money you look in your suit you will never be as high value as a 10/10 hot girl to most of society. Rollo’s a money dude but when he walks in with 5 hot promo model babes in slutty dresses, everyone is noticing the hot promo models first. Society will bend over backwards for that 10/10 girl a thousand times harder than they’ll bend for you and your suit and you had to work your ass off to get to a point in life where you had that suit, all she had to do to earn her status is puke up her dinner in the bathroom and be born with nice facial genetics or paint over it with convincing makeup if she wasn’t.

That value system is warped and fucked to anyone who can step back from it and really view it objectively. So if you can’t win that value system, seek a new one. Value different things. Develop a strong frame and influence those around you to value the things you value. Tyler lectures girls in the bar about vitamins and eating rishi mushrooms and makes fun of them for drinking (he doesn’t drink or do drugs), and those girls fall into his frame and start thinking vitamin shit is cool and writing down which ones they should be buying and qualifying themselves on how they normally never drink when they were wasted the night before etc. It’s fun, pick something you know everyone thinks is dumb and make people believe it’s awesome, and take something everyone thinks is awesome and make people think it’s dumb (this is part of how I AMOG suit guys…if a girl thinks the people around her think a suit is try-hard, she thinks a suit is try-hard, because girls ping off their environment for how to feel)

“I notice a women in her mid-late 30s noticing me and am immediately interested as she’s dressed designer level and is put together well. A 6ish but as I’ve mentioned here, I’m looking to establish a fuckbuddy just like her as my fallback while I work the volatile young hotties.”

Before we move on, check out the Julien PIMP video I linked in my big video dump where he’s fucking with a done-up cougar and getting her to MASSIVELY chase and qualify herself to him while he’s just wearing a shitty black hoodie, no Canoli suit or anything. Think back to last night, could you get that late-30s chick you’re talking about to react to and chase you and qualify you and demand makeouts etc the way that chick is to Julien…while you’re wearing a hoodie? Or when I say that and you try to visualize it, does your brain instinctively think “that’s crazy, WHY would she react like that to me if I was in a hoodie?” and it can’t justify a reason why she should act that way if you aren’t done up? And IF that’s the case, how do you think that relates to situational confidence and why I’m stressing the things I’m stressing in this comment section?

“Since I’m comfy, I don’t even acknowledge her or try or think, I just put her on my “heads up display” and continue to network.”

Consider dropping a comment as you pass her (not an interaction, just a throwaway…call her “trouble” or something with a wink and move on to your business), just anything to get your brain into “we didn’t wanna say anything cause someone might kill us, but you made us just say something, and no one killed us, so I think it’s safe to say MORE things” mode faster. Tyler calls it “open all”. It can help you unstifle. On nights where I’ve been working all day and am not in a social mood at all, I’ll do this when I first get into the bar to get my brain to loosen up and unstifle.

“I’m getting into some random convos and feeling better already.”

Like I say, you’re doing what Tyler’s 6 steps are, but you’re doing it instinctively, which means 1) you’ll probably enjoy it more and not view it as a “task”, but 2) you’ll have less control over WHEN you “feel better”.

“I did all this long before the Red Pill or “game”.”

lol ya, it’s cool to read and good on you for tearing it up like that. But ultimately you’re just doing the same thing we’re doing. Because game isn’t made up from nowhere. Game comes from LITERALLY watching guys like you in-field and reverse engineering what you’re doing into consistent repeatable steps. Like I can go through your entire field report and tell you exactly what PUA principles you’re unconsciously executing where and why they cause the things they cause etc. Whereas you can only really describe what you’re doing in vague flowy terms because you don’t really put a lot of conscious thought into it, and it works JUST FINE for you…except when it doesn’t. πŸ™‚

One of the big differences between a PUA and a Natural is that when a Natural isn’t “in state” as we call it (your flowy state), we have conscious steps we can take to get ourselves INTO that state whereas a Natural is kind of at the mercy of luck with it which can be frustrating at times.

Mystery’s A1 to S3 nerd-chart is really just a breakdown of the stages that naturally happen in a solid seduction in the order they naturally happen in. ie – you actually follow Mystery Method, you just aren’t aware of it. All he did was put labels to consistent patterns and then give guys some ideas on how to move from stage to stage in that pattern consistently/efficiently.

“But I also never had mastery.”

Another key distinction is that a lot of guys get into game not just to get laid, but to have CHOICE. A LOT of Naturals get laid, but not necessarily by the girl they WANT, but by the girl who hands them an opportunity. If nothing else panned out you would have probably banged that late 30s 6/10 chick…but did you walk in and see her and think “wow I want THAT girl”? Or was it more like “well, she’ll do in a pinch” because she made eye-contact with you and you know it’ll be easy/convenient, know what I mean?

“Some situation would put me in that mode and I was golden, but other times I’m not able to generate it”

Check out that Tyler 6-steps vid and see if it gives you anything you can use. As a Natural it’s hard to know what’ll be useful to you or what’ll fuck you up more lol Whereas like, I could give those steps to a more spergy type guy (like Tyler) and he would just blindly follow them and be likely to get into that state.

“I have grooved in a few good habits consciously like push-pull and teasing/negging but I already did that stuff to some degree anyway.”

That might be all you can really get from game, is just topping off and refining stuff you already do. You may be able to take a lot of internal mindsets out of it too, but in terms of actual external techniques look at the stuff and try to pick up the general concept but don’t stress following it too close cause you’re already doing a lot of it in a congruent way naturally.

From your field report my guess is that the stuff on getting into state will help you the most, ’cause once you get in that state you seem like you’ll be just fine. So that might be the only thing game can really offer you in the end, is the ability to get back into that groove easier or on purpose, which is still a pretty useful thing to get from it.

“You talk about your natural friend, do you see a conflict between him trying to “game” vs. just flowing?”

I actually avoided talking about PUA shit with him and kept everything in vague Natural style terms because what he was doing was so beautiful that I didn’t want to risk fucking it up by making him aware of it, you know? But he had the same problems at you, getting “into state” as we call it is tricky for Naturals. That’s why a lot of them have really strict pre-party routines, like they have to listen to certain songs or hang out with certain people or start at a specific time or arrive at the bar with certain people or drink certain drinks or wear certain clothes or do certain activities (gym, nap, etc) before the night begins, etc and if you fuck with those things they get UPSET AS FUCK because you’re fucking with their chance to catch that shooting star they’re trying to summon so they can get laid that night lol

And when they DO have a “state crash” as we call it, they get hit HARD. It’s not unlike a temper tantrum from a 5 year old lol And it seems silly at first that a grown man would be so fucking butthurt and lose all his mojo over like, he couldn’t find the shirt he wanted to wear, or get into the venue he expected to get into etc, but in reality that stuff is really important to him because he doesn’t know how to really “summon” that state at will so when he loses it he’s losing EVERYTHING and the night can be ruined for him and it can be super hard for him to get back into it…which is usually when the liquor starts flowing twice as fast and shit gets messy lol

“Am I making any sense?”

Ya man, standard shit no worries. The reason I can nail a bunch of this stuff is that, like I say, I’ve hung with Naturals and we see this stuff all the time in the community etc, so problems that, to you are like “man, it feels like such and such, does that make sense?” we’re just like “oh ya we call that Blah, and here’s a prescription for how we usually fix that, now get back out there and let us know how it goes and we’ll tweak whatever else needs tweaking if that doesn’t work!” πŸ™‚

The big thing a lot of guys take from game is just a sense of RELIEF that “holy shit there are NAMES for the things I’m going through and other people have gone through them”, like going to a doctor and he casually tells you “oh ya no that’s not ebola that’s just an infection, pop these pills for a couple weeks and come back if that doesn’t clear it up” and it’s like “what? WHEW!!!! thanks doc!!” Like it’s that relief feeling of the world suddenly making SENSE.

“When I’m in the zone, I’ve fucked hotties when 25 lbs overweight, not in a suit, even when they thought I was a bit of an ass.”

And yet, most people will go through that but STILL attribute value to their suit instead of to “when I’m in the zone and delusionally confident about my looks, I get attraction” and refuse to go out without their shiny cufflinks that get them Approach Invites…even though they HAVE reference experiences, first-hand, of not needing those cufflinks to bang hotties. It’s surreal the cognitive dissonance involved lol

“I also never “try” when in that state. If a woman loses interest or makes me work, I’m out (which often makes them react by coming back and working harder, lol).”

Ya it’s just outcome independent and coming from an “I am the prize” mentality (she has to work and impress you, not the other way around) etc. The only catch with it is that you have a lack of control. ie – if a girl tries to make you work for her, you just peace out and IF she happens to chase, then you can bang her, but that’s not really in your control it’s just seeing what happens TO you VS MAKING things happen. Whereas a guy with conscious pickup game will run into a girl who tries to make him work for her and he’ll just use game tech to flip that shit around and spike attraction in her and he has a decent shot at banging her…it’s a lot more in his control whether he gets her or not because he has tools to turn things around or dismantle the shit she throws at him.

Thing is you might instinctively think “but it’s my CHOICE, I don’t WANT to work hard for her, I don’t care enough to” but 1) it’s hard “hard” work when you train that skill up anymore than your turning around in your seat to tell the room to sit in closer chairs was “hard” work (it becomes effortless “flow”), and 2) you’ll get laid enough that that’s fine. Like another part of why Naturals have trouble is their system works often enough that their dick is happy so it’s like why would you build a new car from scratch when your old car worked 90% of the time, whereas the guy with no car has more motivation to build that new car from scratch.

“I feel like a million bucks when I’m in that state and completely confident and switched on.”
πŸ™‚ That feeling is what addicted me to the game lol Guys who haven’t tasted what that state feels like can’t really relate, but when you regularly sarge you can tap into that state most nights even for a short period and feel like a god. Nothing beats it. And from what I can tell it’s the same thing people who hit their flow state etc in sports, hobbies, whatever feel.

I’ve walked into nightclubs a complete nobody and just through sheer game and applying social dynamics (using social proof, merging sets forward, being the social connector, running group theory, befriending AMOGs, etc) taken over the club to the point where by last call everyone knows my name and is buying me drinks and girls are fighting over me and staff remembers me for months and for weeks after that I’m running into random people I don’t even remember meeting who shout my name because they met me that night or saw me in action “you’re that GUY!!! omg!” etc. My buddies and I would do that for fun to challenge ourselves. And instead of going to that same venue the next night or next week and take peoples numbers and all that shit to ride that momentum, we would instead avoid taking numbers and scrap all of the work we did by going to some other venue where we could start over from being nobodies again and try to do it again. That shit was a blast when I was in my late 20s and had more energy but in my early 30s it’s a little more for “special occasions” because as an introvert a night like that can be pretty exhausting (I used to go into bathrooms halfway through the night to catch a breather before heading back out into the chaos). I’m trying to convince my buddy we should give it a go oldschool style like that for fun but he’s even lower energy than me lol

“These days I’ve got my life much more together and am happier with myself and I think that has a lot to do with it. But still, I get shut down easily too sometimes as evidenced by the way I reacted to the young hotties earlier in the evening.”

It’s all good. A sometimes helpful tip for Naturals is to view the first part of the night as just a laugh. No pressure to go mack those girls whatsoever, just fuck around with your table and entertain yourself and make yourself laugh. Get yourself into a good state and trust your brain to take you over to those silly girls and make their night by letting them meet a high value guy. πŸ˜€

“Can a natural fuck himself up by working on game? Waddaya think?”

Definitely. But to some of them that’s a risk worth taking if it means having more control over that flow state. But like I say, that might be ALL you really take from game, and that might be all you really need.


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 19th, 2015 at 3:50 am
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@Andy
“Thanks for the suggestions man. Those Tyler RSD videos are eye opening. You guys are operating on a different plane of existence. It’s exciting to know there’s so much room for growth.”

No prob man. When they started sneaking HD cams into clubs and putting the footage up I was super pumped ’cause we had so few snippets of “real” game up till then. A lot of it was just really descriptive text shit and it’s hard to visualize in action. Keys to the VIP was great but those guys were generally Naturals and not running PUA game. Are these guys all amazing 24/7 all the time? No, they still fuck up, and like Tyler is a super sperg so he comes off weird and robotic at times (and yet girls don’t seem to care lol)…beacuse they’re just NORMAL DUDES like you and me.

Skip to 7:10 in this video and see how uncomfortable Julien is in front of the camera:

Then like a year later:

That’s a pretty huge difference in vibe/confidence/alphaness/assertiveness etc. He didn’t start out as some crazy skilled dude, he was a lame AFC chode like most of us were. All he did was take learning pickup seriously and take action and apply himself.

Here’s Julien showing some old pics of himself from before PUA (skip to 2:40 after the pics, he makes a girl say “Master, please” and beg him to kiss her lol then he chokes a girl calling her a puppet and making her tell him she’s a puppet etc lol creating emotional impact that dwarfs what really nice cufflinks on a guy with less game does):

I was way worse than Julien lol probably not as bad as Tyler but like, people who meet me now VS knowing me when I was in my early 20s wouldn’t even recognize me as the same person. No superpowers, just going out sarging a lot and actively studying game and writing down my field reports and challenging myself infield and trying to fully understand what all is going on and how it overlaps and connects etc

@ADBG
“A guy putting on a suit for the first time gets some double-takes at first, so that’s a good first step in the game, no?”

It’s cool, like I’m okay with saying go buy a suit and wear it and you’ll get girls noticing you. But I feel like it’s dangerous to leave it at that because that makes it sound like the suit inherently is what has value. Like I know when I get a haircut or a new shirt or succeed at something in my career, that when I head out I’m going to feel like a million bucks and be strutting like a king. But I also know that it’s just the effect of having that new thing to feel good about and that 1) it’ll fade over time and 2) it’s not magic and I still have to take action, and 3) any attention I get from it isn’t just because my haircut is a magic haircut it’s partly because the way that haircut I’m attaching my confidence to makes me feel good and my subcomms are firing better and girls are picking up on that.

And, like some zen bhuddist shit: I accept that there will probably be a point where that feeling wears off and the magic my haircut does for me gets less magical. And that if I wear that haircut every day forever, there’ll come a point where it bores me and actively works AGAINST me because I start to dislike that it’s stopped giving me magic results lol

So I just want to make sure that newbies and intermediate guys understand like, crutches and gimmicks DO work, but they CAN be risky and/or backfire (like the military guy returning to civilian clothes and feeling noticably less good without the uniform on) so just be careful.

And when you ARE getting decent results…enjoy it for a bit, you earned it! …but then start FUCKING with it, just to force yourself to grow. ;) Loved wearing a suit for a year? Great, now go out for 6 months in a t-shirt lol

“Guess you really need a guy to keep pushing himself out of the comfort zone, but it’s nice to give guys, particularly those with practically zero positive feedback from girls, ever, some double-takes.”

Definitely, BUT we want to not leave those guys in that mindset. The problem with human beings is when we get results with something we stick with that thing because it produced results. So a newbie needs guidance or he ends up in this frustrating intermediate plateau where he doesn’t feel good unless he’s getting postive feedback from girls, so now not only is his confidence linked to when he wears that suit but now if he wears that suit and he’s NOT getting positive feedback from girls, now he REALLY doesn’t feel good about himself. Pretty much everyone hits that point and that’s around when they have to start rewiring the bad wiring and forcing themselves to let go and destroy their ego on purpose to free themselves from that shit so they can start building their confidence off their core instead of their externals.

I’m half asleep as I type this so with my blurry brain right now I’m not even sure if you CAN avoid that step, like going from super newbie no validation from anyone at all status, like it might be necessary to hit that plateau and go through the reworking so you fully understand the dynamic and why it’s a problem, but like, it would be awesome if a guy COULD avoid it lol A lot of what I write is for lurkers who have hit or will soon hit or are in the middle of these stages and are looking for answers about what they’re going through and why.

“Hope the finances work out so you can get back out there again, though I’m not going to lie, I like seeing your comments on here, lol.”

It’ll take a couple years, but it gives me motivation to cut out alcohol and take care of my health so I can be productive. And I’m in no rush, I’m not married with 2.5 kids and a mortgage, I have low expenses and all the time in the world to make money. :) I figure I’ll keep going hard with sarging bars till around 40 and then start transitioning more into daygame. If I end up wanting to settle down to have kids it’ll probably be around 45, in a pLTR with the best girl from whatever my harem looks like at the time, ideally with a girl around 23-25yo, and if I don’t find anyone suitable and have to live the Clooney life into my 50s I’ll probably transition into social circle game.

But when I do get days off or sick days or nights where I’m stuck inside instead of getting to go out etc where I have some free time I like to catch up on these discussions and write up a bunch of shit for guys to mull over. This is a really fun hobby for me. I basically work, sarge and sleep…tho I’m trying to add exercise in there lately ’cause I’m old and gotta start taking care of this body so it doesn’t give out on me.

“Sometimes I think this is part of the disconnect.”

I think the Manosphere and TRP don’t have very good frames of reference for what solid game looks like, and I think their tendancy to hate on PUA stuff is part of why they’ll never watch those RSD infield vids and start breaking out of their beliefs that they have it all solved with “just lift and make money and pussy will spread for you brah” strategies lol I read all these different forums because I want to learn from wherever I can. Rejecting oldschool PUA, especially Mystery Method, because “oh they wore silly hats”, is like, really doing a disservice to your personal development at this skillset.

“and then YaReally swoops with his F-22s and Ferraris and just laughs at everyone, lol.”

lol’ed hard at this, I really better sleep now lol

@Blaximus
“I don’t know if many guys can pull off the rapid-fire, herky jerky, maniacal laughter thing. But yeah, there will be chicks that like/love that stuff too.”

Ok here’s some lower energy infield:

(4:00 in this one is great, the chick has a boyfriend and he just ignores it and eventually just stops talking and stares at her because is so obvious she’s attracted and she caves and gives her number):

Mystery is actually pretty slow and low energy infield (best part is how he builds up to 2:12 where he has all the girls leaning into him, purposely working social proof):

You don’t see a lot of this style of game because most guys learning game are pretty young and those are the guys out there recording footage. Lower energy guys tend to be older and aren’t heading out there with hidden cams and stuff to record their motionless slow low-energy interactions. The principles remain consistent though…a neg is still a neg whether you slap it in her face like a 3 stooges sketch or do it in a low slow deliberate way. A good way to learn how to run game with low energy is to go out and run game with low energy. lol.

“Girls in clubs and drunk chicks in bars or on the street are easier to fuck or grab or randomly kiss. This is common knowledge.”

Well they’re all just dumb drunk bar sluts and paid actresses after all. lol

@Badpainter
“So while the stereotypical nerd fantasizes about poon it’s just not enough to get him stop writing code long enough to do the work necessary. Throw in the side effects of bluepill thinking, and well, you know the rest.”

That’s why you can’t force it down a guy’s throat. He has to hit rock bottom to where ANYTHING is better than the situation he’s currently in. That’s when he’ll actually take it seriously and work at it. Until then he’ll just dabble and give up and go back to his porn and xbox.

@scribblerg
“Ya – Wow. So much triggered for me by this.”

#TRIGGERED!!!! lol

“When you are like that you are super-present.”

Being present is a whole ‘nother topic lol A lot of guys are stuck in the past (I fucked up before) or the future (I’m gonna fuck this up) and don’t enjoy the present. Watch girls at the bar, practically everything they do (dance, music, drinks, screaming when they see their girlfriend, starting drama etc) is to put themselves and keep themselves in the present moment. It’s a fascinating dynamic.

It’s funny tho, Tyler Julien etc put out a lot of videos they record randomly and sometimes they’ll record vids right after a bootcamp night and you can instantly tell that they’re still in that state or just coming down from it because what they’re saying is a lot more disconnected and random because their brain is like, not malfunctioning but they can’t form sentences and stuff, comapred to when they’re in an intellectual chill lazy state and can ramble away in-depth on a topic. But like, it radiates from them in everything from their body-language to their voice inflections and tonality and shit.

“The dynamics Julien talks about, giving her a chance to pull you in is crucial.”

This is what’s missing from Krauser’s game. It’s all him chasing her.

“We call it the “take away” and it works so fucking well.”

None of this is magic, it’s just taking a lot of stuff we all know and accept works in other areas, and strategically applying it to getting our dicks wet. :)

“My young hottie game only works with high energy yet I shut myself down so much and sabotage. It’s about how I feel about myself in the moment”

If you work at it you can get the young high energy hotties to fall into your lower energy frame. Check out the “lower energy guy” I link in this comment up above. He has some Vegas party girls being crazy high-energy ADD but he just holds his low energy frame through it all. It’s tough to learn though because most guys instinctively try to appease/connect with the girl by chasing and falling into her frame instead of making her fall into theirs (the “you’re in HER movie instead of her being in YOURS” concept).

@Forge the Sky
“That said, YaReally, how many men do you actually expect to develop the amount of game you describe as necessary to make looks irrelevant?”

As many as 1) want to, and 2) have a realistic understanding of what the learning process is like. It’s kind of like asking “how many men do you actually expect to become an engineer?” Well, as many as are interested in engineering and don’t sign up for an engineering class thinking they’ll just be playing with Legos for a couple months and be making millions.

Like, generally the guy has to hit rock bottom to where he’s like “I want to get this handled because I can’t live like this anymore so I give up, I’ll fully embrace this shit and try it” And then he needs solid resources. You won’t become a great engineer by signing up for an accounting course.

“You’re saying that even guys like Nick Krauser, who is an experienced PUA, don’t have sufficient game to not have to worry about it.”

He has very specifically chosen NOT to develop his game. The resources are out there but he’s got his own system he promotes and he kind of has to stick to it so he’s sort of trapped himself. I doubt he even watches RSD’s vids despite how much useful content and perspectives etc they have in them that might benefit him. It wouldn’t take him long at all to shift gears into more effective game if he decided “ok I want to make more emotional impact in my game”. I mean one of these Julien vids I linked he’s literally explaining how he creates emotional impact and drama. All a Krauser would have to do is say “ok, I’m going to step outside my comfort zone for a bit and try this shit out and not toss it away and go back to my comfort zone if it doesn’t work on the first try”.

Krauser’s problem is that he’s made an IDENTITY out of his weaknesses. He’s decided he doesn’t do well in nightclubs, so he never will. He COULD, if he made the effort to improve his shit to handle it, but he won’t because he’s made an identity out of being Krauser the “not great looking” (in his mind) daygame guy.

So it’s not that the average guy has to put in all the work Krauser has and then go above and beyond that. They just have to be on a better path from day one. That’s why I’d rather they didn’t waste X amount of time on stuff that they’ll have to unwire later or will take them off-track, because they could be running better game than Krauser in shorter time than him, just by being on a better path from the start.

“Most men have significantly less game than he does.”

I don’t even think that’s true lol He’s not really doing anything that great. I think a LOT of guys could give him a run for his money…I also think that’s why he doesn’t game in venues where he’s going to run into competition.

“If you’re on the streets, say, how likely is it that fucking Owen Cook shows up in a t-shirt to steal the girl and shit on your Armani shoes?”

It probably won’t happen often. But what will happen more often is that there will ALWAYS be a guy with a more expensive cooler suit than you. There will ALWAYS be a guy who’s a little more jacked or a little more ripped than you. There will ALWAYS be a guy who’s a little taller than you. Unless you are going to somehow have THE finest suit in the entire world, and be more jacked than anyone else in the world AND figure out a way to add an extra foot or two to your height, there will always be some guy who has better game than you or is more effortlessly alpha than you etc, so you’re running a race you can’t win right from the start.

And over time your looks are going to fade. Mother nature is going to make sure that happens. You’ll have less energy compared to your 20s, you’ll have less free time to go out and keep your game sharp, you’ll maybe get into an LTR/marriage(don’t marry) for a while and let yourself go a bit because that’s what people tend to do, then maybe you get burned and now you’re a 40yo guy, back on the market, working his ass off to pay alimony/childsupport with a ton of other responsibilites and your looks have faded a bit. If your confidence was built properly, that wouldn’t be a big deal. If it’s not, well, that story can head down a pretty depressing path.

I can just GIVE you a million dollars, but if you have no money management skills and shit you’re going to blow all that money and end up poor again because you didn’t earn that money and value it. You took the cheap fast high and it was great while you were able to keep it up, but when the money ran out you probably aren’t equipped to get it back.

“It’s a practical thing for most men to pay some attention to looks”

Like I say, handle the basics, but don’t expect it to carry as much weight as working on your game would do for you.

“But even without the crutch of looks or money or whatever the hell, I think that most men simply won’t do it.”

They probably won’t. And that sucks. But what happens to guys who half-ass it is they settle down into a monoLTR with the first decent 7 or 8 they land. And 2-3 years later they end up back in the field starting over, because they weren’t equipped to make an LTR work because when their confidence and alphaness etc was tested long-term it fell apart ’cause it was built on externals instead of internals.

The reason I’m harping on this is because I DID this shit lol I have buddies who have, tons of guys learning PUA have gone through this. And we know how hard it is to rewire it. If you think learning it the hard way is demoralizing, consider how demoralizing it is to learn it and think you’ve got it but still not be getting the results you REALLY want and then realizing that to get those results you have to throw away like two years of work and start over going back to rejections and frustration just to get back to where you were but with a more solid foundation this time.

Personally I’d prefer guys had a realistic expectation of the work it’ll take, but ALSO were encouraged to frame things in a way where they view that 2-5+ year journey as a fun exciting adventure instead of a depressing slog-fest of sadness and misery lol

Guys don’t have to go out 8 hours a night every night. Just go out for half an hour or an hour and open a couple sets. Go for a walk during your lunch hour and open a couple cute girls on the street. Go for a walk after work. Open a girl at the grocery store when you get your groceries. Watch your favorite sports game at a pub around other people instead of at home on the couch. Open people around you. Go to the mall and chat with a cute store clerk. Eat at a food court and just sit down with someone who’s eating alone.

Try not to drink, you lose a lot of reference experience when you drink. Write your Field Reports, even if no one will ever see them, writing them down helps you recall the night and helps make it more clear where things went wrong or could have been done better. Ideally have a group of guys or a community where you can post that Field Report and get some feedback/encouragement. Study proper resources and directly apply them in-field…don’t just go out and get drunk with your buddy. Go out and tell yourself “tonight I’m going to open 5 sets” “tonight I’m going to stay in one set for as long as possible until they tell me to fuck off” “tonight I’m going to try getting phone numbers the second I see an ioi to see how many iois I need before she’ll give up a phone number instead of assuming it’s a big deal” “tonight I’m going to open a mixed set of guys and girls” “tonight I’m going to try opening a set and then merging it forward into another set and see if I can bluff my way through introducing them to eachother” “tonight I’m going to focus on spiking buying temperature” “tonight I’m going to try to DHV until she asks for my phone number” “tonight I’m going to try to get to Rapport/Comfort as fast as possible” “tongiht I’m going to focus on eye-contact and try opening a set without talking” “tonight I’m going to befriend a girl and then open a mixed set with her on my arm to see how they react compared to when I open a mixed set solo” “tongiht I’m going to open mixed set by engaging the guys first and see how the group reacts and tomorrow I’m going to open a mixed set by engaging the girls first and see how the group reacts” etc etc.

Those are all things you could do in half an hour or an hour on any night where there’s people around or in the daytime for the stuff that isn’t group-based.

“It’s not all about crutches or rationalizations, though that’s a part of it.”

All I’ve been trying to get across is that suits are not inherently high-value, and looks/assets are cool to have but don’t use “pick two” of them as an excuse to avoid learning game because they are significantly less beneficial than learning game and that mindset is likely to do more harm than good in the long-run.

Go to any high-end venue and you’ll find a TON of good-looking guys in suits who are fully bought up in the idea that those things will do the work for them and really pay attention to what girls they go home with. Some of them will get some smokin hot girls. A lot of them will consistently get results that social conditioning has convinced us they won’t get. Because the subcomms under the suit are what matter.

“You got me to go out and approach when I’d been dragging my feet and rationalizing before.”

YOU got you to go out. ;) And good on you for taking action. Happy to have helped in any way.

“is there any benefit to peddling a middle road?”

Like I say, it’s great short-term. And maybe if they have enough short-term reward that’ll make them more motivated to go back and rewire themselves later, but it’s hard to say.

“some dudes just aren’t gonna develop tight game and so they’re stuck in a place where looks and fashion does matter for them”

I can’t prevent that guys from half-assing it, but I also can’t in good conscience encourage it or not challenge it so the information is out there for them to make a properly informed decision.

@Vitriol
“It’s odd to me how most manosphere writers are so biased towards the PUA / cold approach style being the “right” way to get laid”

I like to mention to guys (Tyler does it too) that getting laid via cold approach in a chaotic nightclub for a same night lay is the LEAST efficient way to get laid lol We encourage it because it builds a ton of good shit in the guy and gets him a ton of experience. But getting a solid number and taking a girl on a Day2 is much more consistent. And building a social circle and banging girls in your social circle is pretty much no effort once you build that circle up (which isn’t hard).

There are WAY better ways to just get laid. But it’s not about just getting laid. If it was it would be a lot cheaper and faster to just send a guy to a hooker.

The funny part is that chicks who can’t understand what being a man is like will be like “why don’t you just send him to a hooker??” and they don’t understand that with a LOT of these guys you can offer them a hooker and even offer to pay for it etc. Tons of rich guys (and even celebs sometimes) take bootcamps. Why don’t they just buy a hooker? Why don’t they just HIRE a girlfriend if they have the money?? But most of them will turn the offer down…because they don’t JUST want to get laid, they want a girl to LIKE THEM. They want to feel love and genuine attraction. Was that chinese ferrari guy getting “genuine attraction”? Of course not. The RSD guys in their plain t-shirts are getting genuine attraction in those videos.

“I mean if someone wants to eat well would you tell them they’re cheating if they spend $50+ per plate at a nice restaurant”

If their food budget is $500 because no one has taught them how to make more money they’ll have a great 10 days of delicious food and then they hit trouble.

“Telling a guy he needs to spend months or years to become the next Mystery just seems absurd if a guy wants to experience the sensation of rubbing his dick on a girl for a few minutes.”

He’ll have little successes along the way. It’s not like he’s going to NEVER GET LAID or ever touch the skin of a woman until he’s 10 years in lol He could probably just go out and sit at the bar with a pint every weekend just shooting the shit with whoever’s around him for a couple months and some chick’ll give him a go. But if he wants his choice of women, consistency, the ability to handle/master social situations, build social circles and network, a strong frame and mindsets so that if he DOES settle with a girl he doesn’t end up bombing it because he was still a needy AFC underneath and didn’t have the abundance to avoid oneitis etc etc

“Just like every person who wants to eat well isn’t going to become Gordon Ramsay or Alton Brown.”

I don’t subscribe to the notion that if you can’t be Gordon Ramsay then people who can cook should tell you to just live off microwave TV dinners.

@scribblerg
“But the truth is that I’ve been fucking about with game. What course would you suggest I do? I want to be a fucking monster. RSD? Julien’s Pimp stuff?”

Julien’s stuff will probably resonate with you, he’s halfway between technical game and Natural self-amusing emotional impact game. PIMP is excellent (cough torrent it cough) but his mannerisms are super weird in it. Around that time he started acting like a weird super-intense marketing-guy character in his videos (he’s normal infield so it’s like he read something about “be passionate in your marketing” idea and is running way too far with it lol), he comes off like he’s been snorting cocaine or some shit. But look past that ’cause the actual information he’s laying down is rock solid. PIMP is a short product too, it shouldn’t bog you down with too much shit. I would start you there for sure.

aaaand I’m unconscious. Enjoy your weekend, all. If it’s Saturday night and you’re reading this, take a break and throw on a t-shirt, go for a walk past your nearest bar district around 10-11pm and ask any energetic groups of girls on the street for directions to a some bar and whichever girl answers let her start talking then as soon as she pauses mid-instructions say “it sounds like you’re just making that up. I don’t know if I trust you anymore, you’re suspicious now. I’m on my way to a Tinder date…do you think I should’ve worn a suit” and if they say yes say “but what if I’m getting catfished” but if they say no you look fine say “but I thought women like guys in suits.” It’ll take like 15 minutes of your night and then you stroll back home one step closer to your game-related goals than you’d be if you stayed in lol


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 19th, 2015 at 3:50 am
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@Andy
“Thanks for the suggestions man. Those Tyler RSD videos are eye opening. You guys are operating on a different plane of existence. It’s exciting to know there’s so much room for growth.”

No prob man. When they started sneaking HD cams into clubs and putting the footage up I was super pumped ’cause we had so few snippets of “real” game up till then. A lot of it was just really descriptive text shit and it’s hard to visualize in action. Keys to the VIP was great but those guys were generally Naturals and not running PUA game. Are these guys all amazing 24/7 all the time? No, they still fuck up, and like Tyler is a super sperg so he comes off weird and robotic at times (and yet girls don’t seem to care lol)…beacuse they’re just NORMAL DUDES like you and me.

Skip to 7:10 in this video and see how uncomfortable Julien is in front of the camera:

Then like a year later:

That’s a pretty huge difference in vibe/confidence/alphaness/assertiveness etc. He didn’t start out as some crazy skilled dude, he was a lame AFC chode like most of us were. All he did was take learning pickup seriously and take action and apply himself.

Here’s Julien showing some old pics of himself from before PUA (skip to 2:40 after the pics, he makes a girl say “Master, please” and beg him to kiss her lol then he chokes a girl calling her a puppet and making her tell him she’s a puppet etc lol creating emotional impact that dwarfs what really nice cufflinks on a guy with less game does):

I was way worse than Julien lol probably not as bad as Tyler but like, people who meet me now VS knowing me when I was in my early 20s wouldn’t even recognize me as the same person. No superpowers, just going out sarging a lot and actively studying game and writing down my field reports and challenging myself infield and trying to fully understand what all is going on and how it overlaps and connects etc

@ADBG
“A guy putting on a suit for the first time gets some double-takes at first, so that’s a good first step in the game, no?”

It’s cool, like I’m okay with saying go buy a suit and wear it and you’ll get girls noticing you. But I feel like it’s dangerous to leave it at that because that makes it sound like the suit inherently is what has value. Like I know when I get a haircut or a new shirt or succeed at something in my career, that when I head out I’m going to feel like a million bucks and be strutting like a king. But I also know that it’s just the effect of having that new thing to feel good about and that 1) it’ll fade over time and 2) it’s not magic and I still have to take action, and 3) any attention I get from it isn’t just because my haircut is a magic haircut it’s partly because the way that haircut I’m attaching my confidence to makes me feel good and my subcomms are firing better and girls are picking up on that.

And, like some zen bhuddist shit: I accept that there will probably be a point where that feeling wears off and the magic my haircut does for me gets less magical. And that if I wear that haircut every day forever, there’ll come a point where it bores me and actively works AGAINST me because I start to dislike that it’s stopped giving me magic results lol

So I just want to make sure that newbies and intermediate guys understand like, crutches and gimmicks DO work, but they CAN be risky and/or backfire (like the military guy returning to civilian clothes and feeling noticably less good without the uniform on) so just be careful.

And when you ARE getting decent results…enjoy it for a bit, you earned it! …but then start FUCKING with it, just to force yourself to grow. πŸ˜‰ Loved wearing a suit for a year? Great, now go out for 6 months in a t-shirt lol

“Guess you really need a guy to keep pushing himself out of the comfort zone, but it’s nice to give guys, particularly those with practically zero positive feedback from girls, ever, some double-takes.”

Definitely, BUT we want to not leave those guys in that mindset. The problem with human beings is when we get results with something we stick with that thing because it produced results. So a newbie needs guidance or he ends up in this frustrating intermediate plateau where he doesn’t feel good unless he’s getting postive feedback from girls, so now not only is his confidence linked to when he wears that suit but now if he wears that suit and he’s NOT getting positive feedback from girls, now he REALLY doesn’t feel good about himself. Pretty much everyone hits that point and that’s around when they have to start rewiring the bad wiring and forcing themselves to let go and destroy their ego on purpose to free themselves from that shit so they can start building their confidence off their core instead of their externals.

I’m half asleep as I type this so with my blurry brain right now I’m not even sure if you CAN avoid that step, like going from super newbie no validation from anyone at all status, like it might be necessary to hit that plateau and go through the reworking so you fully understand the dynamic and why it’s a problem, but like, it would be awesome if a guy COULD avoid it lol A lot of what I write is for lurkers who have hit or will soon hit or are in the middle of these stages and are looking for answers about what they’re going through and why.

“Hope the finances work out so you can get back out there again, though I’m not going to lie, I like seeing your comments on here, lol.”

It’ll take a couple years, but it gives me motivation to cut out alcohol and take care of my health so I can be productive. And I’m in no rush, I’m not married with 2.5 kids and a mortgage, I have low expenses and all the time in the world to make money. πŸ™‚ I figure I’ll keep going hard with sarging bars till around 40 and then start transitioning more into daygame. If I end up wanting to settle down to have kids it’ll probably be around 45, in a pLTR with the best girl from whatever my harem looks like at the time, ideally with a girl around 23-25yo, and if I don’t find anyone suitable and have to live the Clooney life into my 50s I’ll probably transition into social circle game.

But when I do get days off or sick days or nights where I’m stuck inside instead of getting to go out etc where I have some free time I like to catch up on these discussions and write up a bunch of shit for guys to mull over. This is a really fun hobby for me. I basically work, sarge and sleep…tho I’m trying to add exercise in there lately ’cause I’m old and gotta start taking care of this body so it doesn’t give out on me.

“Sometimes I think this is part of the disconnect.”

I think the Manosphere and TRP don’t have very good frames of reference for what solid game looks like, and I think their tendancy to hate on PUA stuff is part of why they’ll never watch those RSD infield vids and start breaking out of their beliefs that they have it all solved with “just lift and make money and pussy will spread for you brah” strategies lol I read all these different forums because I want to learn from wherever I can. Rejecting oldschool PUA, especially Mystery Method, because “oh they wore silly hats”, is like, really doing a disservice to your personal development at this skillset.

“and then YaReally swoops with his F-22s and Ferraris and just laughs at everyone, lol.”

lol’ed hard at this, I really better sleep now lol

@Blaximus
“I don’t know if many guys can pull off the rapid-fire, herky jerky, maniacal laughter thing. But yeah, there will be chicks that like/love that stuff too.”

Ok here’s some lower energy infield:

(4:00 in this one is great, the chick has a boyfriend and he just ignores it and eventually just stops talking and stares at her because is so obvious she’s attracted and she caves and gives her number):

Mystery is actually pretty slow and low energy infield (best part is how he builds up to 2:12 where he has all the girls leaning into him, purposely working social proof):

You don’t see a lot of this style of game because most guys learning game are pretty young and those are the guys out there recording footage. Lower energy guys tend to be older and aren’t heading out there with hidden cams and stuff to record their motionless slow low-energy interactions. The principles remain consistent though…a neg is still a neg whether you slap it in her face like a 3 stooges sketch or do it in a low slow deliberate way. A good way to learn how to run game with low energy is to go out and run game with low energy. lol.

“Girls in clubs and drunk chicks in bars or on the street are easier to fuck or grab or randomly kiss. This is common knowledge.”

Well they’re all just dumb drunk bar sluts and paid actresses after all. lol

@Badpainter
“So while the stereotypical nerd fantasizes about poon it’s just not enough to get him stop writing code long enough to do the work necessary. Throw in the side effects of bluepill thinking, and well, you know the rest.”

That’s why you can’t force it down a guy’s throat. He has to hit rock bottom to where ANYTHING is better than the situation he’s currently in. That’s when he’ll actually take it seriously and work at it. Until then he’ll just dabble and give up and go back to his porn and xbox.

@scribblerg
“Ya – Wow. So much triggered for me by this.”

#TRIGGERED!!!! lol

“When you are like that you are super-present.”

Being present is a whole ‘nother topic lol A lot of guys are stuck in the past (I fucked up before) or the future (I’m gonna fuck this up) and don’t enjoy the present. Watch girls at the bar, practically everything they do (dance, music, drinks, screaming when they see their girlfriend, starting drama etc) is to put themselves and keep themselves in the present moment. It’s a fascinating dynamic.

It’s funny tho, Tyler Julien etc put out a lot of videos they record randomly and sometimes they’ll record vids right after a bootcamp night and you can instantly tell that they’re still in that state or just coming down from it because what they’re saying is a lot more disconnected and random because their brain is like, not malfunctioning but they can’t form sentences and stuff, comapred to when they’re in an intellectual chill lazy state and can ramble away in-depth on a topic. But like, it radiates from them in everything from their body-language to their voice inflections and tonality and shit.

“The dynamics Julien talks about, giving her a chance to pull you in is crucial.”

This is what’s missing from Krauser’s game. It’s all him chasing her.

“We call it the “take away” and it works so fucking well.”

None of this is magic, it’s just taking a lot of stuff we all know and accept works in other areas, and strategically applying it to getting our dicks wet. πŸ™‚

“My young hottie game only works with high energy yet I shut myself down so much and sabotage. It’s about how I feel about myself in the moment”

If you work at it you can get the young high energy hotties to fall into your lower energy frame. Check out the “lower energy guy” I link in this comment up above. He has some Vegas party girls being crazy high-energy ADD but he just holds his low energy frame through it all. It’s tough to learn though because most guys instinctively try to appease/connect with the girl by chasing and falling into her frame instead of making her fall into theirs (the “you’re in HER movie instead of her being in YOURS” concept).

@Forge the Sky
“That said, YaReally, how many men do you actually expect to develop the amount of game you describe as necessary to make looks irrelevant?”

As many as 1) want to, and 2) have a realistic understanding of what the learning process is like. It’s kind of like asking “how many men do you actually expect to become an engineer?” Well, as many as are interested in engineering and don’t sign up for an engineering class thinking they’ll just be playing with Legos for a couple months and be making millions.

Like, generally the guy has to hit rock bottom to where he’s like “I want to get this handled because I can’t live like this anymore so I give up, I’ll fully embrace this shit and try it” And then he needs solid resources. You won’t become a great engineer by signing up for an accounting course.

“You’re saying that even guys like Nick Krauser, who is an experienced PUA, don’t have sufficient game to not have to worry about it.”

He has very specifically chosen NOT to develop his game. The resources are out there but he’s got his own system he promotes and he kind of has to stick to it so he’s sort of trapped himself. I doubt he even watches RSD’s vids despite how much useful content and perspectives etc they have in them that might benefit him. It wouldn’t take him long at all to shift gears into more effective game if he decided “ok I want to make more emotional impact in my game”. I mean one of these Julien vids I linked he’s literally explaining how he creates emotional impact and drama. All a Krauser would have to do is say “ok, I’m going to step outside my comfort zone for a bit and try this shit out and not toss it away and go back to my comfort zone if it doesn’t work on the first try”.

Krauser’s problem is that he’s made an IDENTITY out of his weaknesses. He’s decided he doesn’t do well in nightclubs, so he never will. He COULD, if he made the effort to improve his shit to handle it, but he won’t because he’s made an identity out of being Krauser the “not great looking” (in his mind) daygame guy.

So it’s not that the average guy has to put in all the work Krauser has and then go above and beyond that. They just have to be on a better path from day one. That’s why I’d rather they didn’t waste X amount of time on stuff that they’ll have to unwire later or will take them off-track, because they could be running better game than Krauser in shorter time than him, just by being on a better path from the start.

“Most men have significantly less game than he does.”

I don’t even think that’s true lol He’s not really doing anything that great. I think a LOT of guys could give him a run for his money…I also think that’s why he doesn’t game in venues where he’s going to run into competition.

“If you’re on the streets, say, how likely is it that fucking Owen Cook shows up in a t-shirt to steal the girl and shit on your Armani shoes?”

It probably won’t happen often. But what will happen more often is that there will ALWAYS be a guy with a more expensive cooler suit than you. There will ALWAYS be a guy who’s a little more jacked or a little more ripped than you. There will ALWAYS be a guy who’s a little taller than you. Unless you are going to somehow have THE finest suit in the entire world, and be more jacked than anyone else in the world AND figure out a way to add an extra foot or two to your height, there will always be some guy who has better game than you or is more effortlessly alpha than you etc, so you’re running a race you can’t win right from the start.

And over time your looks are going to fade. Mother nature is going to make sure that happens. You’ll have less energy compared to your 20s, you’ll have less free time to go out and keep your game sharp, you’ll maybe get into an LTR/marriage(don’t marry) for a while and let yourself go a bit because that’s what people tend to do, then maybe you get burned and now you’re a 40yo guy, back on the market, working his ass off to pay alimony/childsupport with a ton of other responsibilites and your looks have faded a bit. If your confidence was built properly, that wouldn’t be a big deal. If it’s not, well, that story can head down a pretty depressing path.

I can just GIVE you a million dollars, but if you have no money management skills and shit you’re going to blow all that money and end up poor again because you didn’t earn that money and value it. You took the cheap fast high and it was great while you were able to keep it up, but when the money ran out you probably aren’t equipped to get it back.

“It’s a practical thing for most men to pay some attention to looks”

Like I say, handle the basics, but don’t expect it to carry as much weight as working on your game would do for you.

“But even without the crutch of looks or money or whatever the hell, I think that most men simply won’t do it.”

They probably won’t. And that sucks. But what happens to guys who half-ass it is they settle down into a monoLTR with the first decent 7 or 8 they land. And 2-3 years later they end up back in the field starting over, because they weren’t equipped to make an LTR work because when their confidence and alphaness etc was tested long-term it fell apart ’cause it was built on externals instead of internals.

The reason I’m harping on this is because I DID this shit lol I have buddies who have, tons of guys learning PUA have gone through this. And we know how hard it is to rewire it. If you think learning it the hard way is demoralizing, consider how demoralizing it is to learn it and think you’ve got it but still not be getting the results you REALLY want and then realizing that to get those results you have to throw away like two years of work and start over going back to rejections and frustration just to get back to where you were but with a more solid foundation this time.

Personally I’d prefer guys had a realistic expectation of the work it’ll take, but ALSO were encouraged to frame things in a way where they view that 2-5+ year journey as a fun exciting adventure instead of a depressing slog-fest of sadness and misery lol

Guys don’t have to go out 8 hours a night every night. Just go out for half an hour or an hour and open a couple sets. Go for a walk during your lunch hour and open a couple cute girls on the street. Go for a walk after work. Open a girl at the grocery store when you get your groceries. Watch your favorite sports game at a pub around other people instead of at home on the couch. Open people around you. Go to the mall and chat with a cute store clerk. Eat at a food court and just sit down with someone who’s eating alone.

Try not to drink, you lose a lot of reference experience when you drink. Write your Field Reports, even if no one will ever see them, writing them down helps you recall the night and helps make it more clear where things went wrong or could have been done better. Ideally have a group of guys or a community where you can post that Field Report and get some feedback/encouragement. Study proper resources and directly apply them in-field…don’t just go out and get drunk with your buddy. Go out and tell yourself “tonight I’m going to open 5 sets” “tonight I’m going to stay in one set for as long as possible until they tell me to fuck off” “tonight I’m going to try getting phone numbers the second I see an ioi to see how many iois I need before she’ll give up a phone number instead of assuming it’s a big deal” “tonight I’m going to open a mixed set of guys and girls” “tonight I’m going to try opening a set and then merging it forward into another set and see if I can bluff my way through introducing them to eachother” “tonight I’m going to focus on spiking buying temperature” “tonight I’m going to try to DHV until she asks for my phone number” “tonight I’m going to try to get to Rapport/Comfort as fast as possible” “tongiht I’m going to focus on eye-contact and try opening a set without talking” “tonight I’m going to befriend a girl and then open a mixed set with her on my arm to see how they react compared to when I open a mixed set solo” “tongiht I’m going to open mixed set by engaging the guys first and see how the group reacts and tomorrow I’m going to open a mixed set by engaging the girls first and see how the group reacts” etc etc.

Those are all things you could do in half an hour or an hour on any night where there’s people around or in the daytime for the stuff that isn’t group-based.

“It’s not all about crutches or rationalizations, though that’s a part of it.”

All I’ve been trying to get across is that suits are not inherently high-value, and looks/assets are cool to have but don’t use “pick two” of them as an excuse to avoid learning game because they are significantly less beneficial than learning game and that mindset is likely to do more harm than good in the long-run.

Go to any high-end venue and you’ll find a TON of good-looking guys in suits who are fully bought up in the idea that those things will do the work for them and really pay attention to what girls they go home with. Some of them will get some smokin hot girls. A lot of them will consistently get results that social conditioning has convinced us they won’t get. Because the subcomms under the suit are what matter.

“You got me to go out and approach when I’d been dragging my feet and rationalizing before.”

YOU got you to go out. πŸ˜‰ And good on you for taking action. Happy to have helped in any way.

“is there any benefit to peddling a middle road?”

Like I say, it’s great short-term. And maybe if they have enough short-term reward that’ll make them more motivated to go back and rewire themselves later, but it’s hard to say.

“some dudes just aren’t gonna develop tight game and so they’re stuck in a place where looks and fashion does matter for them”

I can’t prevent that guys from half-assing it, but I also can’t in good conscience encourage it or not challenge it so the information is out there for them to make a properly informed decision.

@Vitriol
“It’s odd to me how most manosphere writers are so biased towards the PUA / cold approach style being the “right” way to get laid”

I like to mention to guys (Tyler does it too) that getting laid via cold approach in a chaotic nightclub for a same night lay is the LEAST efficient way to get laid lol We encourage it because it builds a ton of good shit in the guy and gets him a ton of experience. But getting a solid number and taking a girl on a Day2 is much more consistent. And building a social circle and banging girls in your social circle is pretty much no effort once you build that circle up (which isn’t hard).

There are WAY better ways to just get laid. But it’s not about just getting laid. If it was it would be a lot cheaper and faster to just send a guy to a hooker.

The funny part is that chicks who can’t understand what being a man is like will be like “why don’t you just send him to a hooker??” and they don’t understand that with a LOT of these guys you can offer them a hooker and even offer to pay for it etc. Tons of rich guys (and even celebs sometimes) take bootcamps. Why don’t they just buy a hooker? Why don’t they just HIRE a girlfriend if they have the money?? But most of them will turn the offer down…because they don’t JUST want to get laid, they want a girl to LIKE THEM. They want to feel love and genuine attraction. Was that chinese ferrari guy getting “genuine attraction”? Of course not. The RSD guys in their plain t-shirts are getting genuine attraction in those videos.

“I mean if someone wants to eat well would you tell them they’re cheating if they spend $50+ per plate at a nice restaurant”

If their food budget is $500 because no one has taught them how to make more money they’ll have a great 10 days of delicious food and then they hit trouble.

“Telling a guy he needs to spend months or years to become the next Mystery just seems absurd if a guy wants to experience the sensation of rubbing his dick on a girl for a few minutes.”

He’ll have little successes along the way. It’s not like he’s going to NEVER GET LAID or ever touch the skin of a woman until he’s 10 years in lol He could probably just go out and sit at the bar with a pint every weekend just shooting the shit with whoever’s around him for a couple months and some chick’ll give him a go. But if he wants his choice of women, consistency, the ability to handle/master social situations, build social circles and network, a strong frame and mindsets so that if he DOES settle with a girl he doesn’t end up bombing it because he was still a needy AFC underneath and didn’t have the abundance to avoid oneitis etc etc

“Just like every person who wants to eat well isn’t going to become Gordon Ramsay or Alton Brown.”

I don’t subscribe to the notion that if you can’t be Gordon Ramsay then people who can cook should tell you to just live off microwave TV dinners.

@scribblerg
“But the truth is that I’ve been fucking about with game. What course would you suggest I do? I want to be a fucking monster. RSD? Julien’s Pimp stuff?”

Julien’s stuff will probably resonate with you, he’s halfway between technical game and Natural self-amusing emotional impact game. PIMP is excellent (cough torrent it cough) but his mannerisms are super weird in it. Around that time he started acting like a weird super-intense marketing-guy character in his videos (he’s normal infield so it’s like he read something about “be passionate in your marketing” idea and is running way too far with it lol), he comes off like he’s been snorting cocaine or some shit. But look past that ’cause the actual information he’s laying down is rock solid. PIMP is a short product too, it shouldn’t bog you down with too much shit. I would start you there for sure.

aaaand I’m unconscious. Enjoy your weekend, all. If it’s Saturday night and you’re reading this, take a break and throw on a t-shirt, go for a walk past your nearest bar district around 10-11pm and ask any energetic groups of girls on the street for directions to a some bar and whichever girl answers let her start talking then as soon as she pauses mid-instructions say “it sounds like you’re just making that up. I don’t know if I trust you anymore, you’re suspicious now. I’m on my way to a Tinder date…do you think I should’ve worn a suit” and if they say yes say “but what if I’m getting catfished” but if they say no you look fine say “but I thought women like guys in suits.” It’ll take like 15 minutes of your night and then you stroll back home one step closer to your game-related goals than you’d be if you stayed in lol


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 19th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
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@The Awakened One
“Yareally I know you’re a busy man but you never got wrote a breakdown on the HB10 field report I wrote”

My bad, check for your name in this space in the next few days I’ll write some shit up when I get the chance

@walawala
“Also, I FEEL more confident when I’m dressed sharp out or at a party. If i’m schlepping around in shorts after hitting the gym and see a hottie and get an IOI, I usually don’t approach because my game is off.”

And that doesn’t worry you? Think about what mindsets are built in your head that you wouldn’t approach that girl and your game would be off because you’re simply wearing pants that are a different material and shorter than your other pants that cost more money. Like that’s what I’m getting at…we brush past that like “whatever, OBVIOUSLY you would be less confident if you weren’t dressed well” but like WHY is that the case? Did any cavemen give a shit about what they were wearing? Were they running off to check their reflection in a lake to make sure their hair was parted nice enough to deserve that cave chick?

Marketing/advertising/social conditioning has convinced you that if you aren’t wearing, doing, drinking, eating, buying, driving, owning, showing off specific things, that you don’t DESERVE to feel confident.

Now CAN you wear a suit and feel confident? Sure. Is that combo attractive? Sure. But why can’t you approach that hottie giving you an ioi after the gym and feel as fully entitled to deserve her than you did last night at the bar in your suit? If you watch those infield RSD clips I linked, look at the RSD guys themselves…Tyler mentions this a few times: are they showing ANY neediness with the girls? Are they in a t-shirt hitting on hot dolled up girls and in ANY WAY viewing themselves as “not enough” for those girls? Is there ANY hesitation in them and any doubt that they can game those girls the exact same way they would if they were in a suit?

It’s not going to cripple you, you’ll still have fun and get laid and enjoy the Approach Invites etc etc but eventually when you wear that suit long enough it’ll lose the excitement it provides, because that’s what we do we take shit for granted when it’s abundant, and you’re back in the rat race looking for the next external thing that will give you another confidence boost and you’ll keep walking past that hottie giving you an ioi on your way out of the gym.

We don’t view this as “bad” because as long as a guy is getting laid now and then it’s good enough. But I’m talking about where these processes lead long-term and it SHOULD concern men that they don’t simply believe they have enough worth inherently for some girl who was just born with nice genetics and didn’t eat too many donuts and learned how to do her hair, to be LUCKY to meet them. You get these rich entrepreneur business dudes who’ve climbed mountains and have mansions and shit tearing up the clubs all night, but then you put some pretty girl in front of them in the daytime when they’re in their gym clothes and suddenly they’re like Superman around kryptonite, all their INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS that that girl would be hitting the fucking JACKPOT to meet a man with, fly out the window because “well I have a different piece of cloth on me than I did last night when I was dominating my environment and tearing shit up with girls loving me”.

“It’s like Batman and Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne becomes Batman in the suit. Whereas Superman is the Alpha and Clark Kent is his alter ego.”

It’s like Superman forgetting his cape at home and not stopping crime because he doesn’t have it. “But Superman you still have all your super powers!! These people need your help!” “ehhhh, I dunno, I think I’ll sit this one out, I mean, I don’t really feel like I can fly today without that cape.” That SHOULD be something that concerns intermediate/advanced guys and teachers of self-development.

It’s like society has socially conditioned us all SO WELL to believe that men have NO inherent value or worth, that we aren’t even BOTHERED by the idea that you would feel like you don’t deserve a girl because you have the wrong shirt on or have a few extra pounds or a couple wrinkles. How insane is that?? Like that’s NORMAL even to a lot of guys teaching self-development.

Meanwhile you have 4/10s running around acting like they’re 11/10s and we don’t look at that and say “huh, you know what? She’s not basing her insane entitlement on ANYTHING. That chick is going up to a guy in a suit and badgering him enough that he’s probably going to fuck her tonight…he is WAY out of her league and yet she’s going to get to fuck him. …maybe confidence DOESN’T have to be based on an objective list of accomplishments. Maybe I just HAVE worth because I have a penis the same way that girl believes she just HAS worth because she has a pussy?”

Of course society won’t let you believe that, because if you thought you had worth by default you wouldn’t go work to become a CEO and create a bunch of jobs for people and buy women wedding rings and feel grateful for the chance to hand them your money and keep society going. A lot of Naturals are fucking BUMS lol A lot of delusionally confident guys are just shitty people because they don’t see any reason to improve their life.

But if you were studying a path that told you “you have inherent worth, more than you can imagine, but on top of that for your OWN benefit and growth as a man, challenge yourself and improve in other areas of your life not to get laid but to really understand how much value you have and how silly it is that you would think that girl’s ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE wouldn’t be improved by meeting you.”

@scribblerg
“The problem is that I believe I’m more valuable in a suit – fuck that shit. But I do like wearing suits – two totally different things.”

Yup. Like I’ve said from the start my only issue is that how this is phrased and taught often puts guys on a path where they aren’t wearing the suit or hitting the gym because they LIKE it, they’re doing it (and LIKE it) BECAUSE they believe it’s going to GIVE them worth, BECAUSE they don’t simply believe they have worth by default. That’s why a really confident Natural doesn’t have to DO a lot when he’s gaming, his game often looks pretty minimal, because he KNOWS he has value no matter what. He’s internalized it. But he may also have internalized social conditioning like “I’m more valuable when I wear my suit” and that comes through in his subcommunications.

When you buy a new shirt it’s not a magic shirt that makes you more attractive, you feel better about yourself and your subcomms are all rocking hard and girls pick up on that. Put that same shirt on a chode and it won’t do anything. Wear that shirt every day for 5 years and it won’t do anything because it’s lost it’s appeal. But that’s okay, we have a NEW shirt for you right here, and here’s a commercial showing our handsome models getting groped by girls because they’re wearing OUR name brand of clothing that’s a little more expensive than what you’re wearing but I mean, you want to have VALUE don’t ya kid?? What, you think you can have value WITHOUT this stuff? Don’t be silly kid, didn’t you see the commercial and check out how many girls swiped right or left on Tinder?? Pay no attention to that whole “going out and approaching girls outside of your comfort zone for years” thing, that’s WORK, just whip out some paper from your wallet and we’ll LET you feel like you deserve that girl you passed leaving the gym.

Like, that dynamic doesn’t worry ANYONE? That doesn’t set off red flags?

“Get them qualifying for you. That’s when all my “magic” has ever happened. When I’m “working”, I’m generally fucked.”

If you want to get meta, a big part of why guys DON’T qualify girls (like Krauser’s game where he does really weak minimal qualifying that’s like, he’ll NEVER disqualify the girl and ACTUALLY try to push her away or reject her, he’s ALWAYS seeking rapport/connection even when he’s pretending to qualify for a second then saying “haha jk jk so tell me about how ballet makes you feel”) is what I’m talking about: they don’t believe they deserve the girl in the first place and the concept that a HOT GIRL should have to bring ANYTHING to the table to impress them or win them over is completely alien to them.

Like if walawala tried to visualize himself in his gym garb, sweaty and gross, stopping that hot girl that ioi’ed him and then QUALIFYING HER like telling her “oh you can’t cook? hmmm, well it was nice meeting you.” and walking away is like, his entire core would probably be shouting “Are you fucking CRAZY??!?” and would want him to just try to seek a connection and impress her and apologize for not being dressed nice etc.

Then you look at Julien in that PIMP vid where he’s being super harsh with the cougar telling her she’s too old and shit. He’s fully disqualifying her for real, and look how hard she chases his validation because of it. Despite him wearing a hoodie, his core internals are so confident that he feels even in a hoodie in what looks like a nice high-end venue with a girl who’s done herself up, SHE should have to convince him to LET her fuck him.

Patrice O’Neal is huge on this. On the radio show he’s like “imagine being one of these girls we bring in here…all you did is just not be ugly and you get to sit down with successful fucking MILLIONAIRES who own MANSIONS and shit, and THEY try to beg YOU for a date and you’re just like “ehh I dunno” like you shouldn’t be grateful as fuck that you have that opportunity.”

Fuck it here’s that clip, listen to this shit (Patrice lets her yap and the guys yap and then just chimes in with epic rants every 5-10 minutes it’s not just the first rant he keeps going through the whole thing):

Anthony keeps hitting on their intern chick and Patrice is having NONE of the dynamic that’s playing out with all these guys qualifying themselves and trying to convince her to hang out with him selling himself to him and supplicating to this girl who’s doing NOTHING to earn it and keeps dodging his invites and rejecting him. He drops tons of real-talk in these radio shows. This is exactly how I feel when I’m hanging out with a walawala or a scribblerg and they tell me they can’t approach a girl because they aren’t wearing a suit or have a few extra pounds etc. I just want to shake them lol

“You seemed so pleased that she was nice/positive that you didn’t think you deserved anymore.”

This is super common. Guys are getting a good reaction so they don’t want to floor the gas and risk ruining that because the validation feels SO FUCKING GOOD lol The cure is to go out an approach a bunch of hot girls and purposely try to blow yourself out, put your brain through that nightmare a bunch. ’cause then you find out half the time they’re way more receptive than you thought and often it’s even HARD to get blown out because the outcome independence you’re showing is a high-value subcomm and intrigues them, and your brain learns “if I fuck up, nothing that bad happens, there are more girls and no one broke a rock over my head, so what was the big deal” lol And when you get that mindset you feel more entitled to push the set further and actually try to fuck the girl.

“The 21 year old (D)”

On a side note, in the PUA community we give girls nicknames to keep long-term stories going. So DommeChick or Schoolgirl or GymnastGirl etc VS letters of the alphabet (which hopefully aren’t ACTUALLY the letter her name starts with…we’ve had girls discover their own field reports and it ain’t pretty lol) or long “the one chick where she had that magazine I made fun of last week” descriptions, and the nickname gives a little mini-summary of which girl she was (HBMagazine). Might help in writing Field Reports (which are important, they keep you accountable (“haven’t written one in a while and everyone’s expecting one, ok I guess I’ll go approach”) and you learn from writing your memories/thoughts down and re-analyzing them and other guys can learn from your experiences and everyone learns from trying to help and discussing what was good/bad or what could be done better or other approaches or sharing similar experiences and results etc etc…)

If Sun Wukong keeps up that radio show, I recommend blocking out a segment of it where you can all describe an approach you did that week. Keep it anonymous as fuck, don’t give details (no one needs to know the name of the venues you’re in or cities or people you’re interacting with etc), but like, if you’re trying to get a mastermind group of sorts going, extend it into chatting up cute girls. Having to say “ehhh well I didn’t really approach this week sorry guys…” after 3 other dudes tell interesting approach stories is pretty good motivation to approach the next week and not let that happen again lol

“She thought if she didn’t say 21 I wouldn’t have fucked her, lol.”

Ya I’m finding one of the benefits of getting older and having a stronger frame is that these young chicks are more worried that I’ll screen THEM out isntead of the other way around. I can’t even count how often I hear them tell me people tell them they’re mature for their age lol that’s cute dear of COURSE you are, tell me again about your Starbucks job.

“like “When I lose another 10 lbs and have my business clicking at a 6 figure run rate, then I’ll be able to really game these girls.” Fyi, both achieved already – BUT I’M DOING THAT SHIT FOR ME, NOT FOR SOME FUCKING WOMAN.”

This is what I’m talking about. Like guys end up in that trap, but I can’t endorse doing things that I know a lot of newbies will take way out of their actual intent and shove the square peg into the round hole in their warped belief system to justify focusing on gym and money instead of approaching that hot girl when they leave the gym.

@Softek
“It was awful. I knew I was making it worse but I just felt like I was on freakout auto-pilot.”

This happens to TONS of guys. It’s a common phenomenon that when a guy learning pickup gets his first really hot girl that was out of his range of entitlement, he ends up not being able to get it up, because his brain does all this shit your brain was doing like “OH MAN I REALLY GOTTA BLOW HER MIND OR SHE’LL NEVER WANT TO SEE ME AGAIN OH GOD ITS NOT HAPPENING OH GOD SHE HAD AN EX BOYFRIEND WHOS MORE JACKED AND RICH THAN ME AND I PROBABLY DONT COMPARE TO HIM I BET HIS DICK IS BIGGER TOO CMON DICK GET HARDER WHY ARE YOU GETTING SOFTER AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!” lol

So don’t feel too bad, it happens to a lot of guys. As you feel more entitled to her and less like you HAVE to impress her to make up for your low value deficit in your mind (and instead you WANT to impress her because you’re awesome and mind-blowing as a lay), that shit usually straightens itself out (heyooooo)

“You can definitely fuck yourself up by having the idea in your head that picking up women is really hard, and that you have to be really good and know what you’re doing in order to do it.”

Ya that’s why after I give my “it’s hard work” rants I try to also stress that it’s FUN and an exciting challenging hobby full of growth and hilarity and pussy even before you get “amazing” at the game. This should be a FUN experience not work.

@CaveClown
“I started to break this mindset a bit in May when I talked to a girl in a grocery store and was balls deep an hour later. (I knew her from 8 years before, but had never fucked her…she would of been underage 8 years ago! My how she grew up!)”

This is why we push push push you to go out in PUA. Because we KNOW there’s a fuckton of information to take in, we KNOW it’s daunting and we KNOW it’s scary…but we ALSO know that IF YOU GO OUT, and IF YOU PUSH YOURSELF to approach, you will HAVE little successes here and there and end up balls deep in some grocery store girl and those little successes will make you go “that was amazing! Okay now how can I do that better/faster/consistently??? I can’t wait to go out again the game is so awesome!!” and those little successes help make up for the rough nights.

Pickup is a rollercoaster ride, you will hit higher highs and lower lows than pretty much anything else you do in life, and you’ll go through that rollercoaster EVERY week. The lowest lows will feel like absolute hell, you’ll be disappointed in yourself and hate your self and you’ll want to curl up in a ball and cry and not even because you got blown out but because you just had too much Approach Anxiety to approach that night and walked around for 4 hours without saying a word to anyone and went home…you’ll almost never feel more disappointed in yourself and worse than that moment and you’ll hang your head in shame as you stumble to your desk at work in the morning.

But the next night out you’ll follow the proper steps, hoping to avoid that pain, and you’ll get little successes and they’ll snowball and you’ll ride the momentum and by the end of the night you have some hottie up on you and everyone loves you and you’ll feel like a fucking GOD, unstoppable and omnipotent like you can read everyone’s mind and you’re a god among ants and every girl in the room is jealous of the girl that gets to fuck you that night and you’ll walk into work in the morning feeling better than you’ve ever felt before and fucking RADIATE that shit.

Those devastating lows are what allow the amazing highs. That’s the game. It’s like how you can play normal limit poker and just play nice and safe and not lose much but not win much and grind your time at the table out. Or you can play no-limit and you’ll go through absolute hell at points when you go all-in and get raped, but you’ll also feel like an unstoppable god sitting in front of everyone else’s chips at points.

If you don’t go out and don’t chat up that grocery store girl and just read more and more of this stuff I’m typing and just consume consume consume but don’t go out and apply it, you’re not going to get good and you’re going to be more likely to NEVER approach because you’ll start building in your head “I know everything about how to get laid, I’ve read the whole YaReally archive!” and then when you’re at the grocery store you’ll have an ego/identity built up around being a pimp and you’ll convince yourself NOT to approach because your brain doesn’t want to risk an ego-crash (this also happens to intermediate/advanced guys who get cocky and plateau because they stop approaching out of fear of ruining their image/reputation as a badass player).

This is my fav of Tyler’s speeches on taking action and why field experience is so important:

And a good one on entitlement:

“I’ve had a far harder time managing myself and my emotions than I have trying to pick up women. (currently divorcing a BPD woman doesn’t help)”

Game teaches you a lot about women, but it’ll teach you even more about YOURSELF. It’s a fascinating journey. Props on escaping the BPD nightmare.

@Softek
“Where we can fuck up is by thinking of our successes as unnatural or special. This is very much in line with the idea of the “Everyday Mind” in Zen.”

This. And the idea of “I need to wear my suit so I deserve these girls” is putting them on a pedestal (selling yourself to them VS learning to make them sell themselves to you) and building the mindset that picking them up is “special”. You can’t just DO it when you’re in your GYM CLOTHES even though you just caught an IOI from the girl…that’s too SIMPLE, that’s too EASY and NATURAL. Picking up girls is SPECIAL and UNNATURAL, you need to state-boost yourself all night and get a bunch of drinks in you and wear the right suit and go to the right venu where it’s that special perfect time that pickup is allowed to happen.

One thing to pay attention to in-field that demonstrates this is the next time you’re walking TO a bar for a night out, and you see a hot girl or catch an ioi or you see some girls on a patio, do you stop to game them and try to fuck them, or do you pass them up or open them and try to #-close and be on your way as fast as possible, or open them and eject the second they aren’t 100% receptive, so that you can go to a bar and pay cover to go inside where NOW it’s “okay” to game girls and girls “can be” picked up? Because if you walk past those girls there’s a good chance you’ve built a lot of anchors that make your brain think “I have to be in a bar under these specific circumstances to be able to approach and seduce and fuck this girl”

It’s subtle, and it won’t fuck you over 24/7, but it’s that Superman cape thing. I can’t endorse stuff that newbies will misinterpret as promoting that mindset.

“Don’t focus on how hot you think a girl is — focus on your animalistic desire for her. Is she really hot (to you)? Great. Pull your focus away from the idea that she’s hot, and focus on how turned on you get when you look at her. Focus on your attraction to her. Your arousal, your attraction, your desire.”

Tyler’s has a good analogy in this vid with the Miranda Curr(?) analogy at the start of this about “horny” VS “approval-seeking”:

“Most men don’t believe that they have the capacity to be with women that they’re genuinely attracted to. Blue Pill conditioning / feminized society in a nutshell.”

If men knew what their real potential was, society would collapse lol All that blue pill shit is designed to keep everyone in society happy healthy and functioning and prospering……..except men. But if you convince men they don’t DESERVE to be happy because they don’t feel like they’re justified in feeling happy by default, then they’ll go along with spending their lives on the plantation self-sacrificing for everyone else. And if you pull that down around him one day and say “ok go be happy” he’ll look at you stunned and say “…I don’t know HOW” He doesn’t even know WHAT would make him happy because he’s spent his entire life thinking about how to make other people happy and just hoping he manages to be happy along the way. He feels selfish and guilty saying “I want to just fuck a bunch of hot young girls and play the guitar all day and do a job that I LIKE doing instead of a job that’ll make my wife and kids happy” because all that blue pill shit worked…he knows if he’s wearing those gym clothes he doesn’t deserve that girl. ;)


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 19th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
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@The Awakened One
“Yareally I know you’re a busy man but you never got wrote a breakdown on the HB10 field report I wrote”

My bad, check for your name in this space in the next few days I’ll write some shit up when I get the chance

@walawala
“Also, I FEEL more confident when I’m dressed sharp out or at a party. If i’m schlepping around in shorts after hitting the gym and see a hottie and get an IOI, I usually don’t approach because my game is off.”

And that doesn’t worry you? Think about what mindsets are built in your head that you wouldn’t approach that girl and your game would be off because you’re simply wearing pants that are a different material and shorter than your other pants that cost more money. Like that’s what I’m getting at…we brush past that like “whatever, OBVIOUSLY you would be less confident if you weren’t dressed well” but like WHY is that the case? Did any cavemen give a shit about what they were wearing? Were they running off to check their reflection in a lake to make sure their hair was parted nice enough to deserve that cave chick?

Marketing/advertising/social conditioning has convinced you that if you aren’t wearing, doing, drinking, eating, buying, driving, owning, showing off specific things, that you don’t DESERVE to feel confident.

Now CAN you wear a suit and feel confident? Sure. Is that combo attractive? Sure. But why can’t you approach that hottie giving you an ioi after the gym and feel as fully entitled to deserve her than you did last night at the bar in your suit? If you watch those infield RSD clips I linked, look at the RSD guys themselves…Tyler mentions this a few times: are they showing ANY neediness with the girls? Are they in a t-shirt hitting on hot dolled up girls and in ANY WAY viewing themselves as “not enough” for those girls? Is there ANY hesitation in them and any doubt that they can game those girls the exact same way they would if they were in a suit?

It’s not going to cripple you, you’ll still have fun and get laid and enjoy the Approach Invites etc etc but eventually when you wear that suit long enough it’ll lose the excitement it provides, because that’s what we do we take shit for granted when it’s abundant, and you’re back in the rat race looking for the next external thing that will give you another confidence boost and you’ll keep walking past that hottie giving you an ioi on your way out of the gym.

We don’t view this as “bad” because as long as a guy is getting laid now and then it’s good enough. But I’m talking about where these processes lead long-term and it SHOULD concern men that they don’t simply believe they have enough worth inherently for some girl who was just born with nice genetics and didn’t eat too many donuts and learned how to do her hair, to be LUCKY to meet them. You get these rich entrepreneur business dudes who’ve climbed mountains and have mansions and shit tearing up the clubs all night, but then you put some pretty girl in front of them in the daytime when they’re in their gym clothes and suddenly they’re like Superman around kryptonite, all their INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS that that girl would be hitting the fucking JACKPOT to meet a man with, fly out the window because “well I have a different piece of cloth on me than I did last night when I was dominating my environment and tearing shit up with girls loving me”.

“It’s like Batman and Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne becomes Batman in the suit. Whereas Superman is the Alpha and Clark Kent is his alter ego.”

It’s like Superman forgetting his cape at home and not stopping crime because he doesn’t have it. “But Superman you still have all your super powers!! These people need your help!” “ehhhh, I dunno, I think I’ll sit this one out, I mean, I don’t really feel like I can fly today without that cape.” That SHOULD be something that concerns intermediate/advanced guys and teachers of self-development.

It’s like society has socially conditioned us all SO WELL to believe that men have NO inherent value or worth, that we aren’t even BOTHERED by the idea that you would feel like you don’t deserve a girl because you have the wrong shirt on or have a few extra pounds or a couple wrinkles. How insane is that?? Like that’s NORMAL even to a lot of guys teaching self-development.

Meanwhile you have 4/10s running around acting like they’re 11/10s and we don’t look at that and say “huh, you know what? She’s not basing her insane entitlement on ANYTHING. That chick is going up to a guy in a suit and badgering him enough that he’s probably going to fuck her tonight…he is WAY out of her league and yet she’s going to get to fuck him. …maybe confidence DOESN’T have to be based on an objective list of accomplishments. Maybe I just HAVE worth because I have a penis the same way that girl believes she just HAS worth because she has a pussy?”

Of course society won’t let you believe that, because if you thought you had worth by default you wouldn’t go work to become a CEO and create a bunch of jobs for people and buy women wedding rings and feel grateful for the chance to hand them your money and keep society going. A lot of Naturals are fucking BUMS lol A lot of delusionally confident guys are just shitty people because they don’t see any reason to improve their life.

But if you were studying a path that told you “you have inherent worth, more than you can imagine, but on top of that for your OWN benefit and growth as a man, challenge yourself and improve in other areas of your life not to get laid but to really understand how much value you have and how silly it is that you would think that girl’s ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE wouldn’t be improved by meeting you.”

@scribblerg
“The problem is that I believe I’m more valuable in a suit – fuck that shit. But I do like wearing suits – two totally different things.”

Yup. Like I’ve said from the start my only issue is that how this is phrased and taught often puts guys on a path where they aren’t wearing the suit or hitting the gym because they LIKE it, they’re doing it (and LIKE it) BECAUSE they believe it’s going to GIVE them worth, BECAUSE they don’t simply believe they have worth by default. That’s why a really confident Natural doesn’t have to DO a lot when he’s gaming, his game often looks pretty minimal, because he KNOWS he has value no matter what. He’s internalized it. But he may also have internalized social conditioning like “I’m more valuable when I wear my suit” and that comes through in his subcommunications.

When you buy a new shirt it’s not a magic shirt that makes you more attractive, you feel better about yourself and your subcomms are all rocking hard and girls pick up on that. Put that same shirt on a chode and it won’t do anything. Wear that shirt every day for 5 years and it won’t do anything because it’s lost it’s appeal. But that’s okay, we have a NEW shirt for you right here, and here’s a commercial showing our handsome models getting groped by girls because they’re wearing OUR name brand of clothing that’s a little more expensive than what you’re wearing but I mean, you want to have VALUE don’t ya kid?? What, you think you can have value WITHOUT this stuff? Don’t be silly kid, didn’t you see the commercial and check out how many girls swiped right or left on Tinder?? Pay no attention to that whole “going out and approaching girls outside of your comfort zone for years” thing, that’s WORK, just whip out some paper from your wallet and we’ll LET you feel like you deserve that girl you passed leaving the gym.

Like, that dynamic doesn’t worry ANYONE? That doesn’t set off red flags?

“Get them qualifying for you. That’s when all my “magic” has ever happened. When I’m “working”, I’m generally fucked.”

If you want to get meta, a big part of why guys DON’T qualify girls (like Krauser’s game where he does really weak minimal qualifying that’s like, he’ll NEVER disqualify the girl and ACTUALLY try to push her away or reject her, he’s ALWAYS seeking rapport/connection even when he’s pretending to qualify for a second then saying “haha jk jk so tell me about how ballet makes you feel”) is what I’m talking about: they don’t believe they deserve the girl in the first place and the concept that a HOT GIRL should have to bring ANYTHING to the table to impress them or win them over is completely alien to them.

Like if walawala tried to visualize himself in his gym garb, sweaty and gross, stopping that hot girl that ioi’ed him and then QUALIFYING HER like telling her “oh you can’t cook? hmmm, well it was nice meeting you.” and walking away is like, his entire core would probably be shouting “Are you fucking CRAZY??!?” and would want him to just try to seek a connection and impress her and apologize for not being dressed nice etc.

Then you look at Julien in that PIMP vid where he’s being super harsh with the cougar telling her she’s too old and shit. He’s fully disqualifying her for real, and look how hard she chases his validation because of it. Despite him wearing a hoodie, his core internals are so confident that he feels even in a hoodie in what looks like a nice high-end venue with a girl who’s done herself up, SHE should have to convince him to LET her fuck him.

Patrice O’Neal is huge on this. On the radio show he’s like “imagine being one of these girls we bring in here…all you did is just not be ugly and you get to sit down with successful fucking MILLIONAIRES who own MANSIONS and shit, and THEY try to beg YOU for a date and you’re just like “ehh I dunno” like you shouldn’t be grateful as fuck that you have that opportunity.”

Fuck it here’s that clip, listen to this shit (Patrice lets her yap and the guys yap and then just chimes in with epic rants every 5-10 minutes it’s not just the first rant he keeps going through the whole thing):

Anthony keeps hitting on their intern chick and Patrice is having NONE of the dynamic that’s playing out with all these guys qualifying themselves and trying to convince her to hang out with him selling himself to him and supplicating to this girl who’s doing NOTHING to earn it and keeps dodging his invites and rejecting him. He drops tons of real-talk in these radio shows. This is exactly how I feel when I’m hanging out with a walawala or a scribblerg and they tell me they can’t approach a girl because they aren’t wearing a suit or have a few extra pounds etc. I just want to shake them lol

“You seemed so pleased that she was nice/positive that you didn’t think you deserved anymore.”

This is super common. Guys are getting a good reaction so they don’t want to floor the gas and risk ruining that because the validation feels SO FUCKING GOOD lol The cure is to go out an approach a bunch of hot girls and purposely try to blow yourself out, put your brain through that nightmare a bunch. ’cause then you find out half the time they’re way more receptive than you thought and often it’s even HARD to get blown out because the outcome independence you’re showing is a high-value subcomm and intrigues them, and your brain learns “if I fuck up, nothing that bad happens, there are more girls and no one broke a rock over my head, so what was the big deal” lol And when you get that mindset you feel more entitled to push the set further and actually try to fuck the girl.

“The 21 year old (D)”

On a side note, in the PUA community we give girls nicknames to keep long-term stories going. So DommeChick or Schoolgirl or GymnastGirl etc VS letters of the alphabet (which hopefully aren’t ACTUALLY the letter her name starts with…we’ve had girls discover their own field reports and it ain’t pretty lol) or long “the one chick where she had that magazine I made fun of last week” descriptions, and the nickname gives a little mini-summary of which girl she was (HBMagazine). Might help in writing Field Reports (which are important, they keep you accountable (“haven’t written one in a while and everyone’s expecting one, ok I guess I’ll go approach”) and you learn from writing your memories/thoughts down and re-analyzing them and other guys can learn from your experiences and everyone learns from trying to help and discussing what was good/bad or what could be done better or other approaches or sharing similar experiences and results etc etc…)

If Sun Wukong keeps up that radio show, I recommend blocking out a segment of it where you can all describe an approach you did that week. Keep it anonymous as fuck, don’t give details (no one needs to know the name of the venues you’re in or cities or people you’re interacting with etc), but like, if you’re trying to get a mastermind group of sorts going, extend it into chatting up cute girls. Having to say “ehhh well I didn’t really approach this week sorry guys…” after 3 other dudes tell interesting approach stories is pretty good motivation to approach the next week and not let that happen again lol

“She thought if she didn’t say 21 I wouldn’t have fucked her, lol.”

Ya I’m finding one of the benefits of getting older and having a stronger frame is that these young chicks are more worried that I’ll screen THEM out isntead of the other way around. I can’t even count how often I hear them tell me people tell them they’re mature for their age lol that’s cute dear of COURSE you are, tell me again about your Starbucks job.

“like “When I lose another 10 lbs and have my business clicking at a 6 figure run rate, then I’ll be able to really game these girls.” Fyi, both achieved already – BUT I’M DOING THAT SHIT FOR ME, NOT FOR SOME FUCKING WOMAN.”

This is what I’m talking about. Like guys end up in that trap, but I can’t endorse doing things that I know a lot of newbies will take way out of their actual intent and shove the square peg into the round hole in their warped belief system to justify focusing on gym and money instead of approaching that hot girl when they leave the gym.

@Softek
“It was awful. I knew I was making it worse but I just felt like I was on freakout auto-pilot.”

This happens to TONS of guys. It’s a common phenomenon that when a guy learning pickup gets his first really hot girl that was out of his range of entitlement, he ends up not being able to get it up, because his brain does all this shit your brain was doing like “OH MAN I REALLY GOTTA BLOW HER MIND OR SHE’LL NEVER WANT TO SEE ME AGAIN OH GOD ITS NOT HAPPENING OH GOD SHE HAD AN EX BOYFRIEND WHOS MORE JACKED AND RICH THAN ME AND I PROBABLY DONT COMPARE TO HIM I BET HIS DICK IS BIGGER TOO CMON DICK GET HARDER WHY ARE YOU GETTING SOFTER AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!” lol

So don’t feel too bad, it happens to a lot of guys. As you feel more entitled to her and less like you HAVE to impress her to make up for your low value deficit in your mind (and instead you WANT to impress her because you’re awesome and mind-blowing as a lay), that shit usually straightens itself out (heyooooo)

“You can definitely fuck yourself up by having the idea in your head that picking up women is really hard, and that you have to be really good and know what you’re doing in order to do it.”

Ya that’s why after I give my “it’s hard work” rants I try to also stress that it’s FUN and an exciting challenging hobby full of growth and hilarity and pussy even before you get “amazing” at the game. This should be a FUN experience not work.

@CaveClown
“I started to break this mindset a bit in May when I talked to a girl in a grocery store and was balls deep an hour later. (I knew her from 8 years before, but had never fucked her…she would of been underage 8 years ago! My how she grew up!)”

This is why we push push push you to go out in PUA. Because we KNOW there’s a fuckton of information to take in, we KNOW it’s daunting and we KNOW it’s scary…but we ALSO know that IF YOU GO OUT, and IF YOU PUSH YOURSELF to approach, you will HAVE little successes here and there and end up balls deep in some grocery store girl and those little successes will make you go “that was amazing! Okay now how can I do that better/faster/consistently??? I can’t wait to go out again the game is so awesome!!” and those little successes help make up for the rough nights.

Pickup is a rollercoaster ride, you will hit higher highs and lower lows than pretty much anything else you do in life, and you’ll go through that rollercoaster EVERY week. The lowest lows will feel like absolute hell, you’ll be disappointed in yourself and hate your self and you’ll want to curl up in a ball and cry and not even because you got blown out but because you just had too much Approach Anxiety to approach that night and walked around for 4 hours without saying a word to anyone and went home…you’ll almost never feel more disappointed in yourself and worse than that moment and you’ll hang your head in shame as you stumble to your desk at work in the morning.

But the next night out you’ll follow the proper steps, hoping to avoid that pain, and you’ll get little successes and they’ll snowball and you’ll ride the momentum and by the end of the night you have some hottie up on you and everyone loves you and you’ll feel like a fucking GOD, unstoppable and omnipotent like you can read everyone’s mind and you’re a god among ants and every girl in the room is jealous of the girl that gets to fuck you that night and you’ll walk into work in the morning feeling better than you’ve ever felt before and fucking RADIATE that shit.

Those devastating lows are what allow the amazing highs. That’s the game. It’s like how you can play normal limit poker and just play nice and safe and not lose much but not win much and grind your time at the table out. Or you can play no-limit and you’ll go through absolute hell at points when you go all-in and get raped, but you’ll also feel like an unstoppable god sitting in front of everyone else’s chips at points.

If you don’t go out and don’t chat up that grocery store girl and just read more and more of this stuff I’m typing and just consume consume consume but don’t go out and apply it, you’re not going to get good and you’re going to be more likely to NEVER approach because you’ll start building in your head “I know everything about how to get laid, I’ve read the whole YaReally archive!” and then when you’re at the grocery store you’ll have an ego/identity built up around being a pimp and you’ll convince yourself NOT to approach because your brain doesn’t want to risk an ego-crash (this also happens to intermediate/advanced guys who get cocky and plateau because they stop approaching out of fear of ruining their image/reputation as a badass player).

This is my fav of Tyler’s speeches on taking action and why field experience is so important:

And a good one on entitlement:

“I’ve had a far harder time managing myself and my emotions than I have trying to pick up women. (currently divorcing a BPD woman doesn’t help)”

Game teaches you a lot about women, but it’ll teach you even more about YOURSELF. It’s a fascinating journey. Props on escaping the BPD nightmare.

@Softek
“Where we can fuck up is by thinking of our successes as unnatural or special. This is very much in line with the idea of the “Everyday Mind” in Zen.”

This. And the idea of “I need to wear my suit so I deserve these girls” is putting them on a pedestal (selling yourself to them VS learning to make them sell themselves to you) and building the mindset that picking them up is “special”. You can’t just DO it when you’re in your GYM CLOTHES even though you just caught an IOI from the girl…that’s too SIMPLE, that’s too EASY and NATURAL. Picking up girls is SPECIAL and UNNATURAL, you need to state-boost yourself all night and get a bunch of drinks in you and wear the right suit and go to the right venu where it’s that special perfect time that pickup is allowed to happen.

One thing to pay attention to in-field that demonstrates this is the next time you’re walking TO a bar for a night out, and you see a hot girl or catch an ioi or you see some girls on a patio, do you stop to game them and try to fuck them, or do you pass them up or open them and try to #-close and be on your way as fast as possible, or open them and eject the second they aren’t 100% receptive, so that you can go to a bar and pay cover to go inside where NOW it’s “okay” to game girls and girls “can be” picked up? Because if you walk past those girls there’s a good chance you’ve built a lot of anchors that make your brain think “I have to be in a bar under these specific circumstances to be able to approach and seduce and fuck this girl”

It’s subtle, and it won’t fuck you over 24/7, but it’s that Superman cape thing. I can’t endorse stuff that newbies will misinterpret as promoting that mindset.

“Don’t focus on how hot you think a girl is — focus on your animalistic desire for her. Is she really hot (to you)? Great. Pull your focus away from the idea that she’s hot, and focus on how turned on you get when you look at her. Focus on your attraction to her. Your arousal, your attraction, your desire.”

Tyler’s has a good analogy in this vid with the Miranda Curr(?) analogy at the start of this about “horny” VS “approval-seeking”:

“Most men don’t believe that they have the capacity to be with women that they’re genuinely attracted to. Blue Pill conditioning / feminized society in a nutshell.”

If men knew what their real potential was, society would collapse lol All that blue pill shit is designed to keep everyone in society happy healthy and functioning and prospering……..except men. But if you convince men they don’t DESERVE to be happy because they don’t feel like they’re justified in feeling happy by default, then they’ll go along with spending their lives on the plantation self-sacrificing for everyone else. And if you pull that down around him one day and say “ok go be happy” he’ll look at you stunned and say “…I don’t know HOW” He doesn’t even know WHAT would make him happy because he’s spent his entire life thinking about how to make other people happy and just hoping he manages to be happy along the way. He feels selfish and guilty saying “I want to just fuck a bunch of hot young girls and play the guitar all day and do a job that I LIKE doing instead of a job that’ll make my wife and kids happy” because all that blue pill shit worked…he knows if he’s wearing those gym clothes he doesn’t deserve that girl.πŸ˜‰


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 21st, 2015 at 6:48 pm
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No hate for anyone I’m replying to, I’m just too tired and in a hurry to word shit politely today lol:

@Blaximus
“The 20-something year old men really, really pushed me hard to speak up and verbally engage.”

You were very fortunate to have that. A lot of young men/boys, ESPECIALLY these days in this FI-based society have no men to teach them that stuff. Most of them would view Tyler berating that guy and think “what an asshole” because they can’t even understand that Tyler is HELPING him. Single mother households, no male teachers, boys feminized and put in their place and medicated if they’re too loud from day one…it all results in a lot of guys who hit their early 20s NEEDING guys like us who can teach them.

@scribblerg
“YaReally deals with the idea of a natural? No jealousy, no resentment, no insulting”

I also know Naturals love to brag (part of their own affirmations and state-boosting) and it’s best to just let them do it. ;) My Natural buddies will tell me the exact same story a thousand times about how they banged this chick or made this amazing play or saved the day somewhere and I act like it’s the first time I’ve heard it every time lol It’s just part of their mindsets.

You’ll probably find you also have way more highs and lows than someone who’s been studying game for a long time. Like your state will probably fluxuate a lot more because you don’t have as much control over your brain because being “in state” or flowing is something that you can’t make happen at will or fully understand the dynamics of so it’s more frustating when Superman sees a burning building and feels like he SHOULD be able to fly to help them, he flew last night, but for some reason his powers aren’t working. Whereas my powers might not work either, BUT I know not to expect them to work and I have steps I can take to help jumpstart them and if they don’t work I accept that they don’t work in that moment and that’s alright they’ll work later. So I walk around with a default high steady level of happiness even though I go through the same bullshit in life that anyone else does. That’s why my posts are always positive and optimistic, that’s how I am in real life day to day too, because I understand social dynamics enough to know that the guy with road rage isn’t really mad at ME or the girl who’s being a bitch isn’t really a bitch, and I know that often if I just hold my frame that everything’s cool they’ll fall into it too because I know the strongest frame wins.

“I hope you get how huge a contribution this is to men, and I assume many other men on this thread. We need serious game to be spoken about here as at times this place can devolve into a Christian Unicorn NAWALTING bs festival – spewed by a bunch of guys who haven’t fucked anyone but their wives for the past 20 years.”

lol that’s why I’m here. It’s very easy to theorize a lot of pickup, because we’re guys and we seek out logical conclusions based on our experience and we HATE to accept that we might not know everything. That’s why I rely 100% on infield testing. If you told me 90% of the shit that I know works now, would work back when I was an AFC I would have not just told you you’re wrong but I’d be busting out online dating data and writing in forums with likeminded guys and I’d be able to tell you EXACTLY why it won’t work and tell you you’re crazy or discount what you’re saying, I probably wouldn’t even watch those infield videos and think about the questions I’m asking people to think about when they watch them.

But the field reveals all.

And I help because a generous community of men looking for the same answers I was looking for helped me out and it made a difference in my life that I can’t even begin to measure.

“I mean, if marriage isn’t the institutionalization of Oneitis, what the fuck is it?”

Well said, I might steal this. lol

@Softek
“I thought because I hadn’t had sex and I was 25 years old that it was all over for me and I might as well be dead.”

For anyone who doesn’t know I didn’t have sex till I was like 23 or 24 (can’t remember exactly off-hand). I hadn’t even gone on a date or held a girl’s hand or had a girl say she likes me etc, no female friends (except when I was like 6 years old) etc. I hit the point where I decided I wanted to get that shit handled and that’s when I found PUA.

That’s why I don’t let the bullshit of “oh well some guys just aren’t going to be Batman you were just blessed to be able to be him” No, fuck you, I worked my ass off to get there and anyone can do exactly what the rest of us did if they want it. It’s like people saying “most guys just aren’t cut out to become millionaires”, ya ’cause they’re lazy and don’t want it. If they hustled for it like everyone else who gets there does, there’s nothing stopping them from achieving that. Saying “oh that guy was just lucky that he’s able to be that way”. If those guys were out hustling instead of waxing philosophical on how it’s impossible for them to get there or how lucky other people are, they’d get there too.

@longgone
Good to hear it, keep it up.

@Seraph
“Tastes vary, I know, but really, guys? NO on the lingerie? REALLY?”

Those guys are crazy to me. Lingerie all the way. I actually screen girls on it. During rapport I’ll tease them saying they probably don’t even know how to dress up for a man and just have a drawer full of granny panties.

“overall YaReally appears to me to have the stronger argument.”

The thing about my argument is that NO ONE has offered up ANYTHING except really strong convictions based on their social conditionings. I’ve posted a shitload of infield footage of clothes being completely irrelevant, and even BASIC LOGIC says that 50 Cent isn’t going to get laid any faster wearing a suit than he is by default (aka value trumps clothes). I LITERALLY just today when I was out saw a hot blonde (solid 8.5) hanging off this dumbfuck 300lbs fat guy (not muscle, just pure blubber) wearing a shitty shirt and baggy shorts and plain sneakers, and she was dolled up stylish. It’s like people just block out all the evidence that’s all around them and actively don’t seek out disproving evidence because they want to believe SO FUCKING HARD that it’s true.

I literally posted videos of guys pretending to be HOMELESS and still getting girls and still NO ONE has offered up anything beyond “Well I don’t agree because, well, I just don’t agree. I feel better so it’s important” Like oh, okay, let’s just toss all this contrary evidence out so we don’t have to rethink our mindsets and dig deeper to figure out why that shit happens because god forbid our entire reality get turned upside down and suddenly everything’s unstable and confusing again. Let’s just hold onto our belief systems so we never have to question them again…It’s just like Fight Club, you get that IKEA couch and you think to yourself “finally, that’s the last couch I’ll ever buy, I have that couch problem handled.” and feel complete. When someone comes and blows your apartment up it’s like omg nooooooooo my couch!!!! Now life doesn’t make sense anymore! Now I have to question what I thought!!

I can post Tim from RSD literally SHOWING a side by side comparison infield at 1:43 in this video of the difference between a guy in a t-shirt with confidence running game (leading escalating showing personality assuming attraction tonality etc) running the EXACT SAME ROUTINE he has his students in dress shirts run, and you can literally SEE the difference:

And people will just go “oh well it’s his accent, oh it’s his hair, oh it’s because he’s special, oh that chick was drunk” ANYTHING to avoid accepting that clothes don’t matter.

Or I can post this:


A 5′ tall guy, dressed casual (and dressed terrible in the 2nd vid) who’s low energy and just has sick alpha body language and dominant tonality and confidence and plows through shit-tests with confidence. And people will be like “well uhhhh those girls don’t REALLY like him, uhhh ummm well he must have gone out for 500 years 24 hours a day and was born with the ability to become Batman!!” and try to find something they can cling onto to not let go of the looks bullshit.

Or this guy:

And they’ll go “well he’s on camera so that’s why” and ignore all the hidden cam footage I’ve linked. And they’ll ignore that this guy has good tonality and teases them and is congruent to what he’s doing and makes EMOTIONAL IMPACT by saying sexual stuff.

And they’ll go “oh that’s all dancing monkey high-energy” even though I can post these vids of the LOWEST ENERGY IN THE WORLD guy in the world getting retarded attraction from pornstars…it’s gotta be beacuse he’s wearing a suit and not because he’s teasing them and saying sexual shit that creates huge EMOTIONAL IMPACT on them, no it’s gotta be his clothes, these girls wouldn’t respond this way if he was in a t-shirt saying and doing the same stuff:

It’s ridiculous. And no one will ADDRESS any of this. No one will explain how these guys do this stuff, shitting all over the looks rule. Like let’s hear some theories on why all these guys are stunting all over this “rule”. What’s anyone got? Type it out! Some retarded “study” that says the vids I’m linking shouldn’t be possible?

When’s the last time anyone went out dressed casual and actively competed against guys in suits for a girl? Like, on purpose, going into mixed sets and trying to take the girls off guys in suits directly competing for the same girl while in a t-shirt? I don’t even care if you GOT the girl, when’s the last time you’ve TRIED it? More than ONCE? For a few months in a row? Ever? Have you EVER approached a girl who’s talking to a guy in a suit, and while wearing a t-shirt KNOW internally that you’re as attractive as the other dude and have just as much shot of getting the girl as he does? Or do you go up self-conscious because you’re bought into the superman cape shit.

90% of the time these guys have chode internals and it RADIATES off them. They all THINK they look like James Bond but the girls are reading a shitload of insecure “I’m not superman without this cape on” subcomms that come through in how they handle shit-tests and whether they qualify/screen the girl etc etc

And if you DO enter a set with a guy who’s objectively got better externals than you, just BEFRIEND HIM. Just shoot the shit with him and he will almost inevitably end up qualifying himself to you or at LEAST treating you like you’re on his level just because you were cool and social. Throw a girl at him and he’ll think you’re a god, even in your stupid t-shirt lol And when you’re in a t-shirt and you can confidently shoot the shit with guys in suits, the girls NOTICE that and see “wow, this guy acts as confident or MORE confident than these other guys and he isn’t even wearing a superman cape so he must be SUPER high-value compared to them!”, and the effect is magnified if you can get those guys to like you and qualify to you which isn’t hard to do. It’s all laid out in the teaching.

How many of you have run Tyler’s Boyfriend Destroyer routines? More than once? A dozen times? More than a dozen times? Go try it on every girl you meet with a boyfriend/husband and see how easy it is to lower another guy’s value to a girl without even being aggressive or douchey. Just understanding psychology.

Have none of you rolled with good-looking guys and tested your game learning to compete with them? Do you just go to venues you’re comfortable in with people who look around your looks-range and play it nice and safe?

“I get what YaReally means by trying the passive game tactics. YES, you will get more attention, and YES, you might get more woman being more open in their advances, IOI’s, and laying out their interest, but it is still limiting you.”

It’s just a waste for a newbie to focus on. Encouraging them to focus on passive game fucks up their learning active game, because they go stand at the bar hoping their externals will be enough to get them warm approaches and iois and if they don’t get them they don’t know what to do. If they had to hustle to get attention their game would improve dramatically because the field would shove all their blind spots in their face and MAKE them fix them. When you tell guys they need orange blazers and expensive shoes and fitted suits you are creating internally-weaker men. Get the basics handled and then let go of it and use that money time and energy to go approach more.

The other day I saw some guys sitting on a patio in just shitty wifebeaters leaned back with SICK body-language, like radiating chill no-fucks-given alpha. I would be WAY more worried about bringing a date to sit at a table beside those guys than a table full of suits, ’cause I know what the suit guys think of themselves and I know they’re going to rely on their suits and money to impress the girl but I have NO IDEA what to expect from those other guys because they aren’t wearing their value system on their sleeve.

“I think, for example, the .000001 % difference in Game example with a Jon Hamm archetype and Seth Rogan archetype is over the top.”

Why do you think that? How many times have you ACTUALLY SEEN those two archetypes directly competing for a hot girl? Not in movies, not in theory, but actually watched two guys with good game, dressed different, going head to head for a girl?

“sorry, I think the Jon Hamm is going to win the day”

I think, I think, I think. I’m telling you how it plays out infield, you can go test this stuff out if you want to put in the work. Go out to high-end venues wearing the bare minimum to pass the dress code (ideally a t-shirt, go in with better dressed buddies or go early before the bouncers set up at the door and enforce dress codes, etc). Do that for like a year, jump into mixed sets, chat up dudes and befriend them, throw girls at these suit guys and watch how many of them drop the ball on done deals beacuse their game is shit, watch how many girls get turned off by their shit game. Actually experience it first-hand.

One of the first things I do with almost any guy I befriend at the bar is throw girls at him. I just grab whatever cute girl is passing us and go “HEY. Hold up, you need to meet my ridiculously handsome buddy. Buddy this is Sarah, Sarah this is Buddy.” Her name isn’t Sarah, I didn’t ask her name, the first thing she’ll do is explode in lols and go “omg my name isn’t Sarah!!!” and then I’ll say “Are you sure, you look like a Sarah. It’s a nice name. I’m pretty sure we’ve met before…weren’t you stalking me for a while, madly in love with me?” and watch her circuits fry with omgs and lols and watch how the suit guy will just stand there and fade into the background. Do that and then just STOP TALKING, and say “now shake hands” to them and make them introduce eachother and then just STAND THERE looking away, don’t do ANYTHING. Pretend you don’t even know them. Then watch how often that girl will stop talking to him to start asking you questions and talk to you and choose you over him.

This is all RIGHT THERE for anyone to go experiment with. This is what I don’t like about the Manosphere/TRP game is it’s so heavily based on just building passive value and picking off the easiest sets. And that works enough to get guys laid enough to not bother challenging themselves, and that’s great except that all those guys end up with weak shitty internals that fold the second shit isn’t going 100% their way. I don’t believe that’s ultimately helping build better men with solid oak-tree internals. It’s like handing someone a million dollars or liposuction, they aren’t building the habits that will make them not need people to hand them money or mutliple liposuction surgeries in the future because they got the cheat code with no warning that it IS a cheat code.

That’s my big issue, it’s not saying “wear a suit” it’s saying “wear a suit” with NO warning that “but understand it’s a crutch and once you get laid a bit you should start leaving the suit at home so you can build better internals”.

“you have become the fucking Batman of Game”

No, I just GO OUT and APPLY THIS STUFF lol I’m not some fucking wizard, none of us are, we just took the material seriously and we didn’t go out and just get shitfaced with buddies and bank on our passive value and try to run sloppy drunk game on 6s. We went “okay tonight my goal is going to be to enter mixed sets. Tonight my goal is going to be to befriend dudes. Tonight my goal is going to be to introduce girls to other guys. Tonight my goal is going to be to practice spiking girl’s buying temperature. Tonight my goal is to spike their temperature with the lowest possible energy I can do it with and learn how to calibrate that and see how low I can get away with. Tonight my goal will be to try to get makeouts without even talking to the girl.”

We just put EFFORT in. That shit is exactly WHY guys want to believe so bad in suits and muscles because they view any kind of effort as “oh that’s too HAAAAARD!!!” and want some passive magic pill answer that’ll cut out half the work for them.

“Thing is, the vast majority of guys who even seriously devote themselves to it are NOT going to reach that level.”

They just have to work smarter not harder. Most guys haven’t even read Mystery Method these days. They read their shitty passive version of game on TRP or watch Krauser’s boring small-talk and think that’s game, or they go out and get shitfaced and just blast high-energy at the game with a shotgun blast approach hoping something works. And it works just enough for them to not work on getting any better at it or understanding it any deeper.

Any guy can do what we’re doing, if they’re given proper teaching material that puts them on the right path.

“a lot of guys are not born with ability to be fucking Batman with Game. They are not, and telling them they will all be able to is not helping them either.”

This is all bullshit. If you met me in my early 20s or before, you would think there was no way I’d ever get a girlfriend, let alone be able to do pickup. Look at half the guys in this comment section, we have old as fuck dudes that everyone else would tell to give up, going out and getting attraction from hot young girls. Every instructor in RSD started out as a piece of shit before they started learning game, their backstories are up there, torrent the Transformations product and they’ll tell you all about it. Tyler was an aspergy mess before he got into pickup and he’s STILL weird but his game is solid enough to make that not matter.

All they did was go out and apply game and practice smart instead of going out randomly improvising infield, avoiding writing field reports, getting too boozed up, making excuses not to go out (“oh I don’t have a wingman”, who cares, go walk around and open 2 sets and try to grab a # and come home…”oh it’s too late, I took a nap and woke up and it’s half an hour till last call”, so go out for half an hour and open 2 sets, “oh my suit is at the cleaners”, so go out in a t-shirt).

“I think every guy should be encouraged to improve himself in EVERY area where he can make improvement, and they will all vary depending on the guy.”

As long as they understand that they are using a crutch and the negative consequences of that crutch so they don’t end up so far down the path that they fuck themselves over. They need to understand how little their externals matter to really understand how attraction in women works.

“you then mention tactics like getting to know the bartender and waitresses really well in a bar, so when you walk in they greet you warmly, enthusiastically and that gives you social proof and a leg up and bottom line GETS YOU NOTICED. Is that not also a crutch?”

Personally I recommend NOT getting to know them, and going to different bars all the time (with different crowds of people that push you out of your comfort zone), so that every night out you have to build your value ice cold from the ground up. But people are already making excuses not to go warm up a venue in advance so I figured I’d recommend a bit of an easier way to go about it. Personally, I would force a guy to work his way up from scratch every night so he learns the most in the shortest time.

Plus that’s actively gaming, that’s social experience that’s not going to a gym with your headphones on lifting some weights and making excuses about “oh I don’t approach those 9s at the gym because the gym is my zen meditation place bro I’m focused on my workout there, I’m not obssessed with women bro” (god I’m sick of hearing that excuse), or turning down offers to go out because they want to work late to earn some extra money to buy that new suit bla bla bla

“And can’t one argue that pursuing a better build physically not only makes you stand out among those who have average builds, but improves your mental state which helps with all kinds of social interactions?”

No matter how jacked you get, no matter how good looking you are, no matter how much money you make, there will ALWAYS be a dozen guys better than you at those things. And when you see those guys, you will feel insecure and take a confidence hit because you are stuck in society’s value system that has convinced you that those guys are higher value than you because society doesn’t get that all women want are alpha qualities.

Are pimps and abusive boyfriends all wearing suits? No, but girls give them their money and keep going back to them because they make EMOTIONAL IMPACT on the girls and feed the girls what they need (emotional rollercoaster rides). Why do girls watch shit like Twilight? It’s not because of the 6-pack abs, it’s because the movies are designed to have emotional impact on the girls watching, that’s why the books sold like fucking crazy. If it was the 6-packs the books wouldn’t sell. Is every actor that girls find sexy a 6-packed John Hamm?

Hell, John Hamm himself just got DUMPED lol

Jonah Hill was dating a DIETICIAN:

Now he’s dating this chick:

Girls are attracted to the emotions you make them feel first and foremost, way beyond any externals. A girl can HATE that she’s attracted to you, and still be attracted to you because it’s not a choice.

“My point is, while I agree with your overall, I think your are overreaching in your claims”

The most guys actually go out and purposely actively pressure test this like the experiments I’m describing, the more they’ll see what I’m talking about. But they won’t. They’ll have one or two interactions they remember from years ago, or they’ll stick to stuff like “trust me man, girls don’t look at me until I wear my suit then they LOVE me, so the suit is important” and brush over all the evidence to the contrary I’m posting.

“Game is highly important, but it entails at least some of what your call externalities”

It does, but it’s a VERY MINOR AMOUNT.

Looks and money are just tools like dominance, tonality, preselection, etc. No one would say “just focus on dominance and tonality, don’t worry about game or grooming or anything”. No one would say “just focus on social proof and opening, don’t bother with that Comfort stuff or dominance you don’t need dominance if you know how to open…just having social proof and opening will get you laid if you focus on those you’ll just magically have strong internals as a man because pussy will make you solid internally”. But when it comes to looks and money we’ll pump those up huge because those don’t require anything but solo work with no risk of ego failure. They’re nice and safe.

“When it comes to guy’s expectation for Game, how many fucking 9’s and 10’s are REALLY out there for guys to get? Even the ones with Great game?”

If you aren’t around 9s and 10s, move or find a way to be around them. This is a passive mentality. If you ACTUALLY want those girls, figure out a way to be in areas that have them. The reason I started gaming my way into the high-end nightclub/lounge scene was because those are the kinds of girls I like. If I just stuck to the pub down the street, I wouldn’t be fucking those girls that I like. I had to actively make an effort to be around them. If you live in a city with a college/university, you should be looking at how to move to that area, especially near the bar district of that area where they all congregate. “but then I’ll have to drive an extra 15 min to work!!” Ok, then bang the 6s at your local pub…but understand that’s your decision. You are going to meet a lot more hot girls walking across a college campus to take the bus to work than you are driving in your BMW directly to work isolated by your wealth.

You want to find hot girls in the daytime? Go for a walk near a bar district around 5-6pm when the day shift girls get off and are leaving work and the night shift girls are walking to work. Think outside the box. Eat at a busy mall’s food court for lunch and just sit down with a hot girl and say “I hate eating alone, how about you” and practice stacking your openers/routines on her and try for a #-close.

“as the only real acceptable goal is a mind fuck for guys trying to explore Game and RP.”

It’s not the only real acceptable goal, but almost every guy who gets a few years into the game and is still banging 6/10s that approach him with warm iois because of his suit and still not approaching 9s and 10s goes through a massive frustration plateau where they feel EXTRA inadequete because they know they SHOULD be getting those girls but still don’t view themselves as high-value enough to get them, esp when those girls have good-looking guys around them (“oh one of them is probably her boyfriend”…go find OUT if they are. Approach that group in a t-shirt and charm the dudes just like Mystery laid out in his shit on Group Theory, and work your way into the set and ignore the target till she’s looking for your attention bla bla bla classic game).

“Let’s say in the average bar, out of 100 women there, 5 are truly 9 or above.”

Sure. Let’s say that…now how many of those 5 will the average guy learning game approach? 1, MAYBE, IF she’s standing around alone not with any other guys or girlfriends. Because they don’t want to push themselves out of their comfort zone. And if they’re in a t-shirt? They’ll approach 0 out of those 5 because why bother even TRYING it’s obviously impossible, their social conditioning tells them so.

What they SHOULD be doing is approaching all 5 of those girls in their t-shirt and learning the lessons that come from that and seeing how a lot of the time it goes better than they expected it to.

“Let’s say there are a 100 guys there as well, and of those, 20% have some serious game, and only 10% have Epic Game.”

20% don’t have serious game. Befriend them and throw girls at them and watch what happens.

“Unless ALL of the 9’s or 10’s there are looking for a threesome, even some of the Epic Level Game guys are going homes with 8’s or 7’s, or home alone to jerk off.”

This is EXACTLY the mindset I’m talking about that belief in this socially constructed value system creates. Those 9 and 10s are going to fuck SOMEONE, there’s no reason that someone can’t be YOU. Mystery says this in his early seminars even, it’s just common sense, pickup is learning the toolset to make that someone be you. Just like in all these infield vids I’m posting of clothes not mattering.

@Onder
“I have to respectfully disagree with you about Krauser.”

I don’t have any hate for the guy, I’m just going by his videos and his videos don’t have emotional impact. The girls aren’t demanding his number, the girls aren’t chasing him, he’s just selling himself and hoping they let him have their number. There’s no dominance in there. It’s all very pleasant and safe…which is why he can’t hold his own in mixed sets or group sets or in bars and nightclubs. His bread and butter is solo girls on the street in a friendly country with no interruptions and that’s what his game is built for.

“it simply isn’t naturally to run high octane game”

High emotional impact is not high-octane. Look at the Kassem G vids, or the low-energy James Marshall vids from a few pages back, or the Julien vid with the cougar that he’s dismantling. They’re all low energy, but the things they’re saying have a ton of HARD impact.

Here’s Mystery running a low energy set with a girl who’s shit-testing the fuck out of him. He lets silences linger, he says things that hit her emotionally and then just lets her stew, he qualifies her, he doesn’t try to sell himself (because she hasn’t earned it), he runs jealous plotlines with her friend, he agrees & amplifies her shit-tests, he scolds her, he pushes her away, he drops stories when they aren’t working and switches gears calibrating, he talks over her, he hits her with emotional impact with his magic tricks, and by the end of it the girl that was giving him endless shit is a purring kitten for him:

He’s not swirling all over the place, he’s just saying stuff that he knows hit her subconscious brain the way he wants to and flips the switches he knows he needs to switch. Most guys would bail on that set the second she gives the first shit-test.

I HOPE a girl makes fun of my t-shirt, that would be a HUGE opening for me to obliterate that shit-test and get her even more attracted. “I know, you must be drunk right now, your standards are WAY too low if you’re talking to me, you should be hitting on that guy in the suit over there. He’s probably a doctor.” Or maybe “Oh I have to dress down to give other guys’ a chance. If I was in a suit right now, all these guys would go home with blueballs.” “I didn’t want to intimidate you…if I were in a suit you’d think “oh wow, I don’t have a shot with this guy.” I figure this makes me more attainable.”

All of those will spike attraction and they can be said with low-energy, they just have EMOTIONAL IMPACT on her because they hit core programming in her subconscious brain that make her go “OMG LOLOLOL” at someone saying those things confidently when she tests them.

Guys in suits are generally hoping to avoid any shit-tests, that’s part of why their game is weak, because they’re hoping to stack the deck as much in their favor as possible so they don’t have to deal with any shit-tests, and the reason they don’t want to deal with shit-tests is because they don’t understand game and how passing shit-tests actually spikes attraction and shit-tests are a GOOD THING. They just think “shit-tests make me feel bad feels because I’m too attached to my externals and they make me feel bad about myself because I still put girls on a pedestal where their opinion of me affects my self-esteem so I want to get jacked and wear a suit so when I walk in a room all girls just stare at me in awe and none of them will give me any bad feels and I won’t have to pass any shit-tests because I’m pretty sure those are bad things, I just want everyone everywhere to be nice to me because I don’t understand that attraction comes from emotional highs AND lows not just highs”.

When Mystery says “So what else do you have going for you besides your looks?” and silently calmly stares at her letting silence hang, that’s not “high-octane”. It’s just emotional impact, he knows that forces her to go inside her head and qualify herself and it’s something she’s never heard before. You can do that with super low energy and no high-fives or spin-hugs.

“until i realised the key to everything game related is ‘building a connection’ and have her feel like you’re trying to get to know her beyond her looks.”

Yes, but all of these guys I’m posting ARE doing that, it’s just very subtle and fast and it comes AFTER they spike attraction. You spike Attraction, THEN go into Rapport/Comfort. Most guys try to go for Comfort right away (classic beta game “so do you come here often? what do you do for a living? what are your hobbies?”) and the girl hasn’t EARNED it. It’s a low-value approach from the start, and will work on 6s who are super into your externals but you’ll be stuck banging 6s and not know how to get hotter girls in more complicated sets under less ideal circumstances and you’ll end up limited with a weak internal frame that a lot of girls will slaughter, esp if you start dating them.

What a lot of guys focused on externals are doing is they’re trying to SKIP Attraction. They’re hoping that their suit and muscles will do the Attraction work for them so they can go up and just go direct (A3, skipping A1 and A2 completely, they’re hoping their externals handle A2 for them), and jump right into their comfort zone: asking boring Comfort questions. They’re trying to avoid actually learning how to emotionally impact the girls they’re talking to because that’s scary and seems daunting and they’ve never been able to make girls giggle their asses off before so they don’t think they can do it and they refuse to read PUA stuff about chick crack and just want to stick to the same Comfort game they were running as AFCs that has no real emotional impact.

Here’s an exercise: go out for 6 months without asking for phone numbers. Every set you run you’re NOT ALLOWED to ask for her number. You can do everything else but to have a number exchange SHE has to ask for YOUR number. To get that to happen you’re going to need HEAVY A2 from her. Your suit and muscles might get her to ask once in a while, but if you’re running proper game you should be able to get her to demand your number in most of your sets. If she isn’t demanding your number, your game is too weak and needs tightening up. Write your Field Reports, study more, practice each part of game individually, and put it back together and try again.

Some PUAs back in the old days had girls CRYING when they wouldn’t take their number, because the girl was so emotionally impacted by what they were doing that they NEEDED to see them again. That’s the kind of attraction classic game was built to create. Nowadays these guys just spam approach and badger a girl into giving her number and then hope that it doesn’t flake, or they go up hoping their externals are enough to skip Attraction (“that high-octane stuff that’s unnatural in the daytime” (meanwhile you don’t have to run it high-octane, it’s just emotional impact which you can do with low energy)) and then complain that they aren’t getting hot enough girls because they’re just getting the 6-7s that are already into them (aka they have A2 by default).

“One girl recently made a comment about that, saying my approach to her was very refreshing as didn’t feel like I was viewing her as a sexual object.”

Like I say, Krauser’s style of game works for what Krauser is doing. I’m not saying no one can get laid unless their cold approaching dressed like a homeless person lol I’m saying that it wires bad shit in them down the road if they aren’t taught how insignificant the looks/money stuff is and forced to confront that infield so they can experience it first-hand and not rely on that crutch.

“This builds all of the things that a girl needs to actually want to have sex with you and ‘stick around’ as it builds comfort, trust and commonality. The things that most gamers don’t really focus on.”

If they aren’t focusing on those things then they haven’t studied Mystery Method or anything early PUA. Even the RSD guys who look like they’re just running Attraction game are switching gears into qualifying and comfort/trust/rapport with the girls because they all started out doing Mystery Method.

“It’s also not a surprise when the girl to flakes afterwards and gets buyers remorse after everything’s done and dusted.”

The girl doesn’t flake if you run proper Comfort game like Mystery laid out and like the RSD guys follow if they aren’t running quick sets for demonstration (in their Hot Seat events they show hidden cam video of the sarges from “hello” all the way to entering a room with the chick to bang and break it all down step by step).

I really question what guys think game IS these days. It’s like no one has watched a Mystery seminar and no one even knows the A1-3, C1-3, S1-3 stages or anything now. It’s just guys randomly improvising out in-field and crossing their fingers and NEXT’ing girls they could’ve gotten if they learned how to handle obstacles the way it’s all laid out step by step.

“It’s all in the subcommunications”

I could post a video of a guy in a t-shirt just running low-energy game with tons of silence and people would still make up excuses for why that guy needs to wear a suit or say he’s looking at her with too much high-octane in his eyes lol

“Less is definitely more and communicates that he doesn’t need to ‘try’ or ‘do’ to get a girl attracted to him.”

Agreed…now think about which subcommunicates trying harder to impress girls: a suit or a t-shirt?

“Ironically, my flake rate has radically reduced the minute I shaved off all of the bullshit that’s often spoken about in the community.”

If you weren’t switching from Attraction to Comfort/Rapport you weren’t running game to begin with. It’s all laid out in the original material from the early 2000s and RSD talks about it ALL the time, I could link you a dozen videos from them EFFORTLESSLY on making the girl feel special and building comfort/rapport. The info is all out there for free sitting and waiting for guys to look at it and go apply it.

@Junior
“she knows I won’t see her on weekends as I’m out socializing & possibly tagging other girls. This is a milestone for me.”

Good stuff. With my first LTR I hermited up with her classic LTR style and was miserable. With my second LTR I held my frame from day 1 that my fri/sat nights are for me and my buddies to go out and that I would probably be seeing other girls but that they wouldn’t replace her. It was a HUGE reality shift to see how not a big deal that was to her, and now every girl I see knows from day 1 that I’m out doing my own thing and she can be a part of my life if she plays by my rules and if she has a problem with my rules then I’ll be bummed about her choosing not to be in my life but wish her the best out there and she’s welcome to come back when she realizes 10% of me is better than 100% of most guys lol

It’s important to get those reference experiences because they change your frame in the future with other girls and you get closer and closer to having the ideal relationships you want instead of what you think the girl will allow you to have.

“I basically WRITE HER OFF as too cute for me (lol she’s 40+!) AND she has kids lol. I’m laughing to myself writing this haha. I stand talking to two set for over an hour, always lightly touching both, side hugs, teasing & stories. I switch between targets in my mind, as the other HBCougar – more like a HB5.5 – seems more attainable at first lol”

lol this is what I’m trying to prevent. Even if you got that second one and fucked her, you’d end up thinking “I wish she was that first one”.

“They’re both single, admit to being on the prowl, admit that sex is realllly important to them.”

Any reason you didn’t try for a 3some?

“Writing this is hilarious now, as not only do I see how low I put my value but I see how little I planned – got zero logistics”

Like I say a lot of guys are just going out randomly improvising. When I enter a venue I already know where I’m planning to take the girls nearby if I need a venue change and how I’m going to get them back to my place etc. I’m making sure to quiz early on to find out “oh you drove here” so I know “ok I have to deal with them needing to get their car” which tells me “maybe I can send the one girl to get her car and her friend and I will wait here and I’ll have isolation and can escalate and grab the number or convince her to tell her friend we’re going to go get food and don’t worry I’ll get her home safe etc etc when the friend comes back to pick her up”. Always be thinking 10 steps ahead.

“Also think that because I didn’t choose a target, & switched to HB5.5 when HB6 gave me approach invitation, they sensed that, & got the “he’ll take either of us” vibe, which demonstrates inherent neediness.”

Yup. This is what I’m talking about in Krauser’s game too, is it’s like “I’ll take ANYTHING”, there’s no real hard qualification to make the girl earn him. That’s why it’s fine for what he’s doing but it falls apart in other environments/situations. Compare that to like, Julien putting that cougar thru the wringer, disqualifying her over and over and making her prove herself to him and earn him. A high-value guy theoretically has enough girls on the go and enough going on with his life that LETTING another girl be a part of his world is a SACRIFICE to him because it means he has to rearrange plans or kick some other girl out to make room for her, so he qualifies her to make sure she’s WORTH that effort. So you stick with the girl you WANT, and plow that and try all the tactics you think of to make it happen. A badass dude knows what he wants and goes for it at some point.

We’ve all done this though, like it’s not a big deal lesson learned: pick a target and eventually start emphasizing gaming her more after you’ve passed the hook point where her and her friend(s) like you and want you to stay in set.

“Should’ve at LEAST gone for what I was attracted to the most lol. Jeeeezusss, struggle town haha!”

lol you’ll get there.

Instead of just writing this set off now, run through the entire night again in your head or write it out and think about “How WOULD I have gotten my original target if I could do this night over again? What kind of things should I have done different that would have led to a better chance of that happening? What game principles could I have applied? Was there anything in my environment I could have used to help me? How could I have isolated my target from her friend so she could loosen up more? How could I have qualified better? How could I have demonstrated which one was my target? How could I have gotten the friend to fuck off for the night? How could I have handled the car situation in a way where I end up alone with my girl? How could I have built more sexual attraction instead of just being the entertaining cool social guy for the night?”

After every night out I review the sets in my head (if I have a wingman buddy we’ll play the entire night over to eachother while we grab food or whatever and help brainstorm “what else could I have done in this situ” and “where did you mess up in that set, what was the turning point and how could you have prevented that” etc).

That’s the kind of stuff that’ll turn you into Batman. ;) lol


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 21st, 2015 at 6:48 pm
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No hate for anyone I’m replying to, I’m just too tired and in a hurry to word shit politely today lol:

@Blaximus
“The 20-something year old men really, really pushed me hard to speak up and verbally engage.”

You were very fortunate to have that. A lot of young men/boys, ESPECIALLY these days in this FI-based society have no men to teach them that stuff. Most of them would view Tyler berating that guy and think “what an asshole” because they can’t even understand that Tyler is HELPING him. Single mother households, no male teachers, boys feminized and put in their place and medicated if they’re too loud from day one…it all results in a lot of guys who hit their early 20s NEEDING guys like us who can teach them.

@scribblerg
“YaReally deals with the idea of a natural? No jealousy, no resentment, no insulting”

I also know Naturals love to brag (part of their own affirmations and state-boosting) and it’s best to just let them do it. πŸ˜‰ My Natural buddies will tell me the exact same story a thousand times about how they banged this chick or made this amazing play or saved the day somewhere and I act like it’s the first time I’ve heard it every time lol It’s just part of their mindsets.

You’ll probably find you also have way more highs and lows than someone who’s been studying game for a long time. Like your state will probably fluxuate a lot more because you don’t have as much control over your brain because being “in state” or flowing is something that you can’t make happen at will or fully understand the dynamics of so it’s more frustating when Superman sees a burning building and feels like he SHOULD be able to fly to help them, he flew last night, but for some reason his powers aren’t working. Whereas my powers might not work either, BUT I know not to expect them to work and I have steps I can take to help jumpstart them and if they don’t work I accept that they don’t work in that moment and that’s alright they’ll work later. So I walk around with a default high steady level of happiness even though I go through the same bullshit in life that anyone else does. That’s why my posts are always positive and optimistic, that’s how I am in real life day to day too, because I understand social dynamics enough to know that the guy with road rage isn’t really mad at ME or the girl who’s being a bitch isn’t really a bitch, and I know that often if I just hold my frame that everything’s cool they’ll fall into it too because I know the strongest frame wins.

“I hope you get how huge a contribution this is to men, and I assume many other men on this thread. We need serious game to be spoken about here as at times this place can devolve into a Christian Unicorn NAWALTING bs festival – spewed by a bunch of guys who haven’t fucked anyone but their wives for the past 20 years.”

lol that’s why I’m here. It’s very easy to theorize a lot of pickup, because we’re guys and we seek out logical conclusions based on our experience and we HATE to accept that we might not know everything. That’s why I rely 100% on infield testing. If you told me 90% of the shit that I know works now, would work back when I was an AFC I would have not just told you you’re wrong but I’d be busting out online dating data and writing in forums with likeminded guys and I’d be able to tell you EXACTLY why it won’t work and tell you you’re crazy or discount what you’re saying, I probably wouldn’t even watch those infield videos and think about the questions I’m asking people to think about when they watch them.

But the field reveals all.

And I help because a generous community of men looking for the same answers I was looking for helped me out and it made a difference in my life that I can’t even begin to measure.

“I mean, if marriage isn’t the institutionalization of Oneitis, what the fuck is it?”

Well said, I might steal this. lol

@Softek
“I thought because I hadn’t had sex and I was 25 years old that it was all over for me and I might as well be dead.”

For anyone who doesn’t know I didn’t have sex till I was like 23 or 24 (can’t remember exactly off-hand). I hadn’t even gone on a date or held a girl’s hand or had a girl say she likes me etc, no female friends (except when I was like 6 years old) etc. I hit the point where I decided I wanted to get that shit handled and that’s when I found PUA.

That’s why I don’t let the bullshit of “oh well some guys just aren’t going to be Batman you were just blessed to be able to be him” No, fuck you, I worked my ass off to get there and anyone can do exactly what the rest of us did if they want it. It’s like people saying “most guys just aren’t cut out to become millionaires”, ya ’cause they’re lazy and don’t want it. If they hustled for it like everyone else who gets there does, there’s nothing stopping them from achieving that. Saying “oh that guy was just lucky that he’s able to be that way”. If those guys were out hustling instead of waxing philosophical on how it’s impossible for them to get there or how lucky other people are, they’d get there too.

@longgone
Good to hear it, keep it up.

@Seraph
“Tastes vary, I know, but really, guys? NO on the lingerie? REALLY?”

Those guys are crazy to me. Lingerie all the way. I actually screen girls on it. During rapport I’ll tease them saying they probably don’t even know how to dress up for a man and just have a drawer full of granny panties.

“overall YaReally appears to me to have the stronger argument.”

The thing about my argument is that NO ONE has offered up ANYTHING except really strong convictions based on their social conditionings. I’ve posted a shitload of infield footage of clothes being completely irrelevant, and even BASIC LOGIC says that 50 Cent isn’t going to get laid any faster wearing a suit than he is by default (aka value trumps clothes). I LITERALLY just today when I was out saw a hot blonde (solid 8.5) hanging off this dumbfuck 300lbs fat guy (not muscle, just pure blubber) wearing a shitty shirt and baggy shorts and plain sneakers, and she was dolled up stylish. It’s like people just block out all the evidence that’s all around them and actively don’t seek out disproving evidence because they want to believe SO FUCKING HARD that it’s true.

I literally posted videos of guys pretending to be HOMELESS and still getting girls and still NO ONE has offered up anything beyond “Well I don’t agree because, well, I just don’t agree. I feel better so it’s important” Like oh, okay, let’s just toss all this contrary evidence out so we don’t have to rethink our mindsets and dig deeper to figure out why that shit happens because god forbid our entire reality get turned upside down and suddenly everything’s unstable and confusing again. Let’s just hold onto our belief systems so we never have to question them again…It’s just like Fight Club, you get that IKEA couch and you think to yourself “finally, that’s the last couch I’ll ever buy, I have that couch problem handled.” and feel complete. When someone comes and blows your apartment up it’s like omg nooooooooo my couch!!!! Now life doesn’t make sense anymore! Now I have to question what I thought!!

I can post Tim from RSD literally SHOWING a side by side comparison infield at 1:43 in this video of the difference between a guy in a t-shirt with confidence running game (leading escalating showing personality assuming attraction tonality etc) running the EXACT SAME ROUTINE he has his students in dress shirts run, and you can literally SEE the difference:

And people will just go “oh well it’s his accent, oh it’s his hair, oh it’s because he’s special, oh that chick was drunk” ANYTHING to avoid accepting that clothes don’t matter.

Or I can post this:


A 5′ tall guy, dressed casual (and dressed terrible in the 2nd vid) who’s low energy and just has sick alpha body language and dominant tonality and confidence and plows through shit-tests with confidence. And people will be like “well uhhhh those girls don’t REALLY like him, uhhh ummm well he must have gone out for 500 years 24 hours a day and was born with the ability to become Batman!!” and try to find something they can cling onto to not let go of the looks bullshit.

Or this guy:

And they’ll go “well he’s on camera so that’s why” and ignore all the hidden cam footage I’ve linked. And they’ll ignore that this guy has good tonality and teases them and is congruent to what he’s doing and makes EMOTIONAL IMPACT by saying sexual stuff.

And they’ll go “oh that’s all dancing monkey high-energy” even though I can post these vids of the LOWEST ENERGY IN THE WORLD guy in the world getting retarded attraction from pornstars…it’s gotta be beacuse he’s wearing a suit and not because he’s teasing them and saying sexual shit that creates huge EMOTIONAL IMPACT on them, no it’s gotta be his clothes, these girls wouldn’t respond this way if he was in a t-shirt saying and doing the same stuff:

It’s ridiculous. And no one will ADDRESS any of this. No one will explain how these guys do this stuff, shitting all over the looks rule. Like let’s hear some theories on why all these guys are stunting all over this “rule”. What’s anyone got? Type it out! Some retarded “study” that says the vids I’m linking shouldn’t be possible?

When’s the last time anyone went out dressed casual and actively competed against guys in suits for a girl? Like, on purpose, going into mixed sets and trying to take the girls off guys in suits directly competing for the same girl while in a t-shirt? I don’t even care if you GOT the girl, when’s the last time you’ve TRIED it? More than ONCE? For a few months in a row? Ever? Have you EVER approached a girl who’s talking to a guy in a suit, and while wearing a t-shirt KNOW internally that you’re as attractive as the other dude and have just as much shot of getting the girl as he does? Or do you go up self-conscious because you’re bought into the superman cape shit.

90% of the time these guys have chode internals and it RADIATES off them. They all THINK they look like James Bond but the girls are reading a shitload of insecure “I’m not superman without this cape on” subcomms that come through in how they handle shit-tests and whether they qualify/screen the girl etc etc

And if you DO enter a set with a guy who’s objectively got better externals than you, just BEFRIEND HIM. Just shoot the shit with him and he will almost inevitably end up qualifying himself to you or at LEAST treating you like you’re on his level just because you were cool and social. Throw a girl at him and he’ll think you’re a god, even in your stupid t-shirt lol And when you’re in a t-shirt and you can confidently shoot the shit with guys in suits, the girls NOTICE that and see “wow, this guy acts as confident or MORE confident than these other guys and he isn’t even wearing a superman cape so he must be SUPER high-value compared to them!”, and the effect is magnified if you can get those guys to like you and qualify to you which isn’t hard to do. It’s all laid out in the teaching.

How many of you have run Tyler’s Boyfriend Destroyer routines? More than once? A dozen times? More than a dozen times? Go try it on every girl you meet with a boyfriend/husband and see how easy it is to lower another guy’s value to a girl without even being aggressive or douchey. Just understanding psychology.

Have none of you rolled with good-looking guys and tested your game learning to compete with them? Do you just go to venues you’re comfortable in with people who look around your looks-range and play it nice and safe?

“I get what YaReally means by trying the passive game tactics. YES, you will get more attention, and YES, you might get more woman being more open in their advances, IOI’s, and laying out their interest, but it is still limiting you.”

It’s just a waste for a newbie to focus on. Encouraging them to focus on passive game fucks up their learning active game, because they go stand at the bar hoping their externals will be enough to get them warm approaches and iois and if they don’t get them they don’t know what to do. If they had to hustle to get attention their game would improve dramatically because the field would shove all their blind spots in their face and MAKE them fix them. When you tell guys they need orange blazers and expensive shoes and fitted suits you are creating internally-weaker men. Get the basics handled and then let go of it and use that money time and energy to go approach more.

The other day I saw some guys sitting on a patio in just shitty wifebeaters leaned back with SICK body-language, like radiating chill no-fucks-given alpha. I would be WAY more worried about bringing a date to sit at a table beside those guys than a table full of suits, ’cause I know what the suit guys think of themselves and I know they’re going to rely on their suits and money to impress the girl but I have NO IDEA what to expect from those other guys because they aren’t wearing their value system on their sleeve.

“I think, for example, the .000001 % difference in Game example with a Jon Hamm archetype and Seth Rogan archetype is over the top.”

Why do you think that? How many times have you ACTUALLY SEEN those two archetypes directly competing for a hot girl? Not in movies, not in theory, but actually watched two guys with good game, dressed different, going head to head for a girl?

“sorry, I think the Jon Hamm is going to win the day”

I think, I think, I think. I’m telling you how it plays out infield, you can go test this stuff out if you want to put in the work. Go out to high-end venues wearing the bare minimum to pass the dress code (ideally a t-shirt, go in with better dressed buddies or go early before the bouncers set up at the door and enforce dress codes, etc). Do that for like a year, jump into mixed sets, chat up dudes and befriend them, throw girls at these suit guys and watch how many of them drop the ball on done deals beacuse their game is shit, watch how many girls get turned off by their shit game. Actually experience it first-hand.

One of the first things I do with almost any guy I befriend at the bar is throw girls at him. I just grab whatever cute girl is passing us and go “HEY. Hold up, you need to meet my ridiculously handsome buddy. Buddy this is Sarah, Sarah this is Buddy.” Her name isn’t Sarah, I didn’t ask her name, the first thing she’ll do is explode in lols and go “omg my name isn’t Sarah!!!” and then I’ll say “Are you sure, you look like a Sarah. It’s a nice name. I’m pretty sure we’ve met before…weren’t you stalking me for a while, madly in love with me?” and watch her circuits fry with omgs and lols and watch how the suit guy will just stand there and fade into the background. Do that and then just STOP TALKING, and say “now shake hands” to them and make them introduce eachother and then just STAND THERE looking away, don’t do ANYTHING. Pretend you don’t even know them. Then watch how often that girl will stop talking to him to start asking you questions and talk to you and choose you over him.

This is all RIGHT THERE for anyone to go experiment with. This is what I don’t like about the Manosphere/TRP game is it’s so heavily based on just building passive value and picking off the easiest sets. And that works enough to get guys laid enough to not bother challenging themselves, and that’s great except that all those guys end up with weak shitty internals that fold the second shit isn’t going 100% their way. I don’t believe that’s ultimately helping build better men with solid oak-tree internals. It’s like handing someone a million dollars or liposuction, they aren’t building the habits that will make them not need people to hand them money or mutliple liposuction surgeries in the future because they got the cheat code with no warning that it IS a cheat code.

That’s my big issue, it’s not saying “wear a suit” it’s saying “wear a suit” with NO warning that “but understand it’s a crutch and once you get laid a bit you should start leaving the suit at home so you can build better internals”.

“you have become the fucking Batman of Game”

No, I just GO OUT and APPLY THIS STUFF lol I’m not some fucking wizard, none of us are, we just took the material seriously and we didn’t go out and just get shitfaced with buddies and bank on our passive value and try to run sloppy drunk game on 6s. We went “okay tonight my goal is going to be to enter mixed sets. Tonight my goal is going to be to befriend dudes. Tonight my goal is going to be to introduce girls to other guys. Tonight my goal is going to be to practice spiking girl’s buying temperature. Tonight my goal is to spike their temperature with the lowest possible energy I can do it with and learn how to calibrate that and see how low I can get away with. Tonight my goal will be to try to get makeouts without even talking to the girl.”

We just put EFFORT in. That shit is exactly WHY guys want to believe so bad in suits and muscles because they view any kind of effort as “oh that’s too HAAAAARD!!!” and want some passive magic pill answer that’ll cut out half the work for them.

“Thing is, the vast majority of guys who even seriously devote themselves to it are NOT going to reach that level.”

They just have to work smarter not harder. Most guys haven’t even read Mystery Method these days. They read their shitty passive version of game on TRP or watch Krauser’s boring small-talk and think that’s game, or they go out and get shitfaced and just blast high-energy at the game with a shotgun blast approach hoping something works. And it works just enough for them to not work on getting any better at it or understanding it any deeper.

Any guy can do what we’re doing, if they’re given proper teaching material that puts them on the right path.

“a lot of guys are not born with ability to be fucking Batman with Game. They are not, and telling them they will all be able to is not helping them either.”

This is all bullshit. If you met me in my early 20s or before, you would think there was no way I’d ever get a girlfriend, let alone be able to do pickup. Look at half the guys in this comment section, we have old as fuck dudes that everyone else would tell to give up, going out and getting attraction from hot young girls. Every instructor in RSD started out as a piece of shit before they started learning game, their backstories are up there, torrent the Transformations product and they’ll tell you all about it. Tyler was an aspergy mess before he got into pickup and he’s STILL weird but his game is solid enough to make that not matter.

All they did was go out and apply game and practice smart instead of going out randomly improvising infield, avoiding writing field reports, getting too boozed up, making excuses not to go out (“oh I don’t have a wingman”, who cares, go walk around and open 2 sets and try to grab a # and come home…”oh it’s too late, I took a nap and woke up and it’s half an hour till last call”, so go out for half an hour and open 2 sets, “oh my suit is at the cleaners”, so go out in a t-shirt).

“I think every guy should be encouraged to improve himself in EVERY area where he can make improvement, and they will all vary depending on the guy.”

As long as they understand that they are using a crutch and the negative consequences of that crutch so they don’t end up so far down the path that they fuck themselves over. They need to understand how little their externals matter to really understand how attraction in women works.

“you then mention tactics like getting to know the bartender and waitresses really well in a bar, so when you walk in they greet you warmly, enthusiastically and that gives you social proof and a leg up and bottom line GETS YOU NOTICED. Is that not also a crutch?”

Personally I recommend NOT getting to know them, and going to different bars all the time (with different crowds of people that push you out of your comfort zone), so that every night out you have to build your value ice cold from the ground up. But people are already making excuses not to go warm up a venue in advance so I figured I’d recommend a bit of an easier way to go about it. Personally, I would force a guy to work his way up from scratch every night so he learns the most in the shortest time.

Plus that’s actively gaming, that’s social experience that’s not going to a gym with your headphones on lifting some weights and making excuses about “oh I don’t approach those 9s at the gym because the gym is my zen meditation place bro I’m focused on my workout there, I’m not obssessed with women bro” (god I’m sick of hearing that excuse), or turning down offers to go out because they want to work late to earn some extra money to buy that new suit bla bla bla

“And can’t one argue that pursuing a better build physically not only makes you stand out among those who have average builds, but improves your mental state which helps with all kinds of social interactions?”

No matter how jacked you get, no matter how good looking you are, no matter how much money you make, there will ALWAYS be a dozen guys better than you at those things. And when you see those guys, you will feel insecure and take a confidence hit because you are stuck in society’s value system that has convinced you that those guys are higher value than you because society doesn’t get that all women want are alpha qualities.

Are pimps and abusive boyfriends all wearing suits? No, but girls give them their money and keep going back to them because they make EMOTIONAL IMPACT on the girls and feed the girls what they need (emotional rollercoaster rides). Why do girls watch shit like Twilight? It’s not because of the 6-pack abs, it’s because the movies are designed to have emotional impact on the girls watching, that’s why the books sold like fucking crazy. If it was the 6-packs the books wouldn’t sell. Is every actor that girls find sexy a 6-packed John Hamm?

Hell, John Hamm himself just got DUMPED lol

Jonah Hill was dating a DIETICIAN:

Now he’s dating this chick:

Girls are attracted to the emotions you make them feel first and foremost, way beyond any externals. A girl can HATE that she’s attracted to you, and still be attracted to you because it’s not a choice.

“My point is, while I agree with your overall, I think your are overreaching in your claims”

The most guys actually go out and purposely actively pressure test this like the experiments I’m describing, the more they’ll see what I’m talking about. But they won’t. They’ll have one or two interactions they remember from years ago, or they’ll stick to stuff like “trust me man, girls don’t look at me until I wear my suit then they LOVE me, so the suit is important” and brush over all the evidence to the contrary I’m posting.

“Game is highly important, but it entails at least some of what your call externalities”

It does, but it’s a VERY MINOR AMOUNT.

Looks and money are just tools like dominance, tonality, preselection, etc. No one would say “just focus on dominance and tonality, don’t worry about game or grooming or anything”. No one would say “just focus on social proof and opening, don’t bother with that Comfort stuff or dominance you don’t need dominance if you know how to open…just having social proof and opening will get you laid if you focus on those you’ll just magically have strong internals as a man because pussy will make you solid internally”. But when it comes to looks and money we’ll pump those up huge because those don’t require anything but solo work with no risk of ego failure. They’re nice and safe.

“When it comes to guy’s expectation for Game, how many fucking 9’s and 10’s are REALLY out there for guys to get? Even the ones with Great game?”

If you aren’t around 9s and 10s, move or find a way to be around them. This is a passive mentality. If you ACTUALLY want those girls, figure out a way to be in areas that have them. The reason I started gaming my way into the high-end nightclub/lounge scene was because those are the kinds of girls I like. If I just stuck to the pub down the street, I wouldn’t be fucking those girls that I like. I had to actively make an effort to be around them. If you live in a city with a college/university, you should be looking at how to move to that area, especially near the bar district of that area where they all congregate. “but then I’ll have to drive an extra 15 min to work!!” Ok, then bang the 6s at your local pub…but understand that’s your decision. You are going to meet a lot more hot girls walking across a college campus to take the bus to work than you are driving in your BMW directly to work isolated by your wealth.

You want to find hot girls in the daytime? Go for a walk near a bar district around 5-6pm when the day shift girls get off and are leaving work and the night shift girls are walking to work. Think outside the box. Eat at a busy mall’s food court for lunch and just sit down with a hot girl and say “I hate eating alone, how about you” and practice stacking your openers/routines on her and try for a #-close.

“as the only real acceptable goal is a mind fuck for guys trying to explore Game and RP.”

It’s not the only real acceptable goal, but almost every guy who gets a few years into the game and is still banging 6/10s that approach him with warm iois because of his suit and still not approaching 9s and 10s goes through a massive frustration plateau where they feel EXTRA inadequete because they know they SHOULD be getting those girls but still don’t view themselves as high-value enough to get them, esp when those girls have good-looking guys around them (“oh one of them is probably her boyfriend”…go find OUT if they are. Approach that group in a t-shirt and charm the dudes just like Mystery laid out in his shit on Group Theory, and work your way into the set and ignore the target till she’s looking for your attention bla bla bla classic game).

“Let’s say in the average bar, out of 100 women there, 5 are truly 9 or above.”

Sure. Let’s say that…now how many of those 5 will the average guy learning game approach? 1, MAYBE, IF she’s standing around alone not with any other guys or girlfriends. Because they don’t want to push themselves out of their comfort zone. And if they’re in a t-shirt? They’ll approach 0 out of those 5 because why bother even TRYING it’s obviously impossible, their social conditioning tells them so.

What they SHOULD be doing is approaching all 5 of those girls in their t-shirt and learning the lessons that come from that and seeing how a lot of the time it goes better than they expected it to.

“Let’s say there are a 100 guys there as well, and of those, 20% have some serious game, and only 10% have Epic Game.”

20% don’t have serious game. Befriend them and throw girls at them and watch what happens.

“Unless ALL of the 9’s or 10’s there are looking for a threesome, even some of the Epic Level Game guys are going homes with 8’s or 7’s, or home alone to jerk off.”

This is EXACTLY the mindset I’m talking about that belief in this socially constructed value system creates. Those 9 and 10s are going to fuck SOMEONE, there’s no reason that someone can’t be YOU. Mystery says this in his early seminars even, it’s just common sense, pickup is learning the toolset to make that someone be you. Just like in all these infield vids I’m posting of clothes not mattering.

@Onder
“I have to respectfully disagree with you about Krauser.”

I don’t have any hate for the guy, I’m just going by his videos and his videos don’t have emotional impact. The girls aren’t demanding his number, the girls aren’t chasing him, he’s just selling himself and hoping they let him have their number. There’s no dominance in there. It’s all very pleasant and safe…which is why he can’t hold his own in mixed sets or group sets or in bars and nightclubs. His bread and butter is solo girls on the street in a friendly country with no interruptions and that’s what his game is built for.

“it simply isn’t naturally to run high octane game”

High emotional impact is not high-octane. Look at the Kassem G vids, or the low-energy James Marshall vids from a few pages back, or the Julien vid with the cougar that he’s dismantling. They’re all low energy, but the things they’re saying have a ton of HARD impact.

Here’s Mystery running a low energy set with a girl who’s shit-testing the fuck out of him. He lets silences linger, he says things that hit her emotionally and then just lets her stew, he qualifies her, he doesn’t try to sell himself (because she hasn’t earned it), he runs jealous plotlines with her friend, he agrees & amplifies her shit-tests, he scolds her, he pushes her away, he drops stories when they aren’t working and switches gears calibrating, he talks over her, he hits her with emotional impact with his magic tricks, and by the end of it the girl that was giving him endless shit is a purring kitten for him:

He’s not swirling all over the place, he’s just saying stuff that he knows hit her subconscious brain the way he wants to and flips the switches he knows he needs to switch. Most guys would bail on that set the second she gives the first shit-test.

I HOPE a girl makes fun of my t-shirt, that would be a HUGE opening for me to obliterate that shit-test and get her even more attracted. “I know, you must be drunk right now, your standards are WAY too low if you’re talking to me, you should be hitting on that guy in the suit over there. He’s probably a doctor.” Or maybe “Oh I have to dress down to give other guys’ a chance. If I was in a suit right now, all these guys would go home with blueballs.” “I didn’t want to intimidate you…if I were in a suit you’d think “oh wow, I don’t have a shot with this guy.” I figure this makes me more attainable.”

All of those will spike attraction and they can be said with low-energy, they just have EMOTIONAL IMPACT on her because they hit core programming in her subconscious brain that make her go “OMG LOLOLOL” at someone saying those things confidently when she tests them.

Guys in suits are generally hoping to avoid any shit-tests, that’s part of why their game is weak, because they’re hoping to stack the deck as much in their favor as possible so they don’t have to deal with any shit-tests, and the reason they don’t want to deal with shit-tests is because they don’t understand game and how passing shit-tests actually spikes attraction and shit-tests are a GOOD THING. They just think “shit-tests make me feel bad feels because I’m too attached to my externals and they make me feel bad about myself because I still put girls on a pedestal where their opinion of me affects my self-esteem so I want to get jacked and wear a suit so when I walk in a room all girls just stare at me in awe and none of them will give me any bad feels and I won’t have to pass any shit-tests because I’m pretty sure those are bad things, I just want everyone everywhere to be nice to me because I don’t understand that attraction comes from emotional highs AND lows not just highs”.

When Mystery says “So what else do you have going for you besides your looks?” and silently calmly stares at her letting silence hang, that’s not “high-octane”. It’s just emotional impact, he knows that forces her to go inside her head and qualify herself and it’s something she’s never heard before. You can do that with super low energy and no high-fives or spin-hugs.

“until i realised the key to everything game related is ‘building a connection’ and have her feel like you’re trying to get to know her beyond her looks.”

Yes, but all of these guys I’m posting ARE doing that, it’s just very subtle and fast and it comes AFTER they spike attraction. You spike Attraction, THEN go into Rapport/Comfort. Most guys try to go for Comfort right away (classic beta game “so do you come here often? what do you do for a living? what are your hobbies?”) and the girl hasn’t EARNED it. It’s a low-value approach from the start, and will work on 6s who are super into your externals but you’ll be stuck banging 6s and not know how to get hotter girls in more complicated sets under less ideal circumstances and you’ll end up limited with a weak internal frame that a lot of girls will slaughter, esp if you start dating them.

What a lot of guys focused on externals are doing is they’re trying to SKIP Attraction. They’re hoping that their suit and muscles will do the Attraction work for them so they can go up and just go direct (A3, skipping A1 and A2 completely, they’re hoping their externals handle A2 for them), and jump right into their comfort zone: asking boring Comfort questions. They’re trying to avoid actually learning how to emotionally impact the girls they’re talking to because that’s scary and seems daunting and they’ve never been able to make girls giggle their asses off before so they don’t think they can do it and they refuse to read PUA stuff about chick crack and just want to stick to the same Comfort game they were running as AFCs that has no real emotional impact.

Here’s an exercise: go out for 6 months without asking for phone numbers. Every set you run you’re NOT ALLOWED to ask for her number. You can do everything else but to have a number exchange SHE has to ask for YOUR number. To get that to happen you’re going to need HEAVY A2 from her. Your suit and muscles might get her to ask once in a while, but if you’re running proper game you should be able to get her to demand your number in most of your sets. If she isn’t demanding your number, your game is too weak and needs tightening up. Write your Field Reports, study more, practice each part of game individually, and put it back together and try again.

Some PUAs back in the old days had girls CRYING when they wouldn’t take their number, because the girl was so emotionally impacted by what they were doing that they NEEDED to see them again. That’s the kind of attraction classic game was built to create. Nowadays these guys just spam approach and badger a girl into giving her number and then hope that it doesn’t flake, or they go up hoping their externals are enough to skip Attraction (“that high-octane stuff that’s unnatural in the daytime” (meanwhile you don’t have to run it high-octane, it’s just emotional impact which you can do with low energy)) and then complain that they aren’t getting hot enough girls because they’re just getting the 6-7s that are already into them (aka they have A2 by default).

“One girl recently made a comment about that, saying my approach to her was very refreshing as didn’t feel like I was viewing her as a sexual object.”

Like I say, Krauser’s style of game works for what Krauser is doing. I’m not saying no one can get laid unless their cold approaching dressed like a homeless person lol I’m saying that it wires bad shit in them down the road if they aren’t taught how insignificant the looks/money stuff is and forced to confront that infield so they can experience it first-hand and not rely on that crutch.

“This builds all of the things that a girl needs to actually want to have sex with you and ‘stick around’ as it builds comfort, trust and commonality. The things that most gamers don’t really focus on.”

If they aren’t focusing on those things then they haven’t studied Mystery Method or anything early PUA. Even the RSD guys who look like they’re just running Attraction game are switching gears into qualifying and comfort/trust/rapport with the girls because they all started out doing Mystery Method.

“It’s also not a surprise when the girl to flakes afterwards and gets buyers remorse after everything’s done and dusted.”

The girl doesn’t flake if you run proper Comfort game like Mystery laid out and like the RSD guys follow if they aren’t running quick sets for demonstration (in their Hot Seat events they show hidden cam video of the sarges from “hello” all the way to entering a room with the chick to bang and break it all down step by step).

I really question what guys think game IS these days. It’s like no one has watched a Mystery seminar and no one even knows the A1-3, C1-3, S1-3 stages or anything now. It’s just guys randomly improvising out in-field and crossing their fingers and NEXT’ing girls they could’ve gotten if they learned how to handle obstacles the way it’s all laid out step by step.

“It’s all in the subcommunications”

I could post a video of a guy in a t-shirt just running low-energy game with tons of silence and people would still make up excuses for why that guy needs to wear a suit or say he’s looking at her with too much high-octane in his eyes lol

“Less is definitely more and communicates that he doesn’t need to ‘try’ or ‘do’ to get a girl attracted to him.”

Agreed…now think about which subcommunicates trying harder to impress girls: a suit or a t-shirt?

“Ironically, my flake rate has radically reduced the minute I shaved off all of the bullshit that’s often spoken about in the community.”

If you weren’t switching from Attraction to Comfort/Rapport you weren’t running game to begin with. It’s all laid out in the original material from the early 2000s and RSD talks about it ALL the time, I could link you a dozen videos from them EFFORTLESSLY on making the girl feel special and building comfort/rapport. The info is all out there for free sitting and waiting for guys to look at it and go apply it.

@Junior
“she knows I won’t see her on weekends as I’m out socializing & possibly tagging other girls. This is a milestone for me.”

Good stuff. With my first LTR I hermited up with her classic LTR style and was miserable. With my second LTR I held my frame from day 1 that my fri/sat nights are for me and my buddies to go out and that I would probably be seeing other girls but that they wouldn’t replace her. It was a HUGE reality shift to see how not a big deal that was to her, and now every girl I see knows from day 1 that I’m out doing my own thing and she can be a part of my life if she plays by my rules and if she has a problem with my rules then I’ll be bummed about her choosing not to be in my life but wish her the best out there and she’s welcome to come back when she realizes 10% of me is better than 100% of most guys lol

It’s important to get those reference experiences because they change your frame in the future with other girls and you get closer and closer to having the ideal relationships you want instead of what you think the girl will allow you to have.

“I basically WRITE HER OFF as too cute for me (lol she’s 40+!) AND she has kids lol. I’m laughing to myself writing this haha. I stand talking to two set for over an hour, always lightly touching both, side hugs, teasing & stories. I switch between targets in my mind, as the other HBCougar – more like a HB5.5 – seems more attainable at first lol”

lol this is what I’m trying to prevent. Even if you got that second one and fucked her, you’d end up thinking “I wish she was that first one”.

“They’re both single, admit to being on the prowl, admit that sex is realllly important to them.”

Any reason you didn’t try for a 3some?

“Writing this is hilarious now, as not only do I see how low I put my value but I see how little I planned – got zero logistics”

Like I say a lot of guys are just going out randomly improvising. When I enter a venue I already know where I’m planning to take the girls nearby if I need a venue change and how I’m going to get them back to my place etc. I’m making sure to quiz early on to find out “oh you drove here” so I know “ok I have to deal with them needing to get their car” which tells me “maybe I can send the one girl to get her car and her friend and I will wait here and I’ll have isolation and can escalate and grab the number or convince her to tell her friend we’re going to go get food and don’t worry I’ll get her home safe etc etc when the friend comes back to pick her up”. Always be thinking 10 steps ahead.

“Also think that because I didn’t choose a target, & switched to HB5.5 when HB6 gave me approach invitation, they sensed that, & got the “he’ll take either of us” vibe, which demonstrates inherent neediness.”

Yup. This is what I’m talking about in Krauser’s game too, is it’s like “I’ll take ANYTHING”, there’s no real hard qualification to make the girl earn him. That’s why it’s fine for what he’s doing but it falls apart in other environments/situations. Compare that to like, Julien putting that cougar thru the wringer, disqualifying her over and over and making her prove herself to him and earn him. A high-value guy theoretically has enough girls on the go and enough going on with his life that LETTING another girl be a part of his world is a SACRIFICE to him because it means he has to rearrange plans or kick some other girl out to make room for her, so he qualifies her to make sure she’s WORTH that effort. So you stick with the girl you WANT, and plow that and try all the tactics you think of to make it happen. A badass dude knows what he wants and goes for it at some point.

We’ve all done this though, like it’s not a big deal lesson learned: pick a target and eventually start emphasizing gaming her more after you’ve passed the hook point where her and her friend(s) like you and want you to stay in set.

“Should’ve at LEAST gone for what I was attracted to the most lol. Jeeeezusss, struggle town haha!”

lol you’ll get there.

Instead of just writing this set off now, run through the entire night again in your head or write it out and think about “How WOULD I have gotten my original target if I could do this night over again? What kind of things should I have done different that would have led to a better chance of that happening? What game principles could I have applied? Was there anything in my environment I could have used to help me? How could I have isolated my target from her friend so she could loosen up more? How could I have qualified better? How could I have demonstrated which one was my target? How could I have gotten the friend to fuck off for the night? How could I have handled the car situation in a way where I end up alone with my girl? How could I have built more sexual attraction instead of just being the entertaining cool social guy for the night?”

After every night out I review the sets in my head (if I have a wingman buddy we’ll play the entire night over to eachother while we grab food or whatever and help brainstorm “what else could I have done in this situ” and “where did you mess up in that set, what was the turning point and how could you have prevented that” etc).

That’s the kind of stuff that’ll turn you into Batman. πŸ˜‰ lol


A Man in Demand Conference – The Review

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YaReally
on September 21st, 2015 at 7:25 pm
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Here’s Tyler demonstrating what like 90% of Manosphere/TRP and suit/muscle guys do on a night out lol (I’ve seen vids of some Manosphere/TRP guys that look pretty much exactly like this and I see guys “gaming” doing this infield all the time (and have DONE this myself lol)):

And that guy looks like THIS lol:

Julien on forcing yourself to take action by putting yourself in situations where you’re forced to challenge yourself: