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The Best of The Rational Male – Year 4

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on August 30th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
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“The problem with just employing PUA skills to get any woman is that sometimes it actually gets you ANY woman. There’s no vetting process, no discernment, taught as part of technique.”

Just because I’m a stickler for accuracy, straight out of Mystery Method’s section entitled Screening:

“So how can you convey to her that she is being screened? By asking screening questions, by giving IOIs and IODs at the right moments, and by actually having real standards about the kind of people you spend your time with. It has to be true for you in order to carry the necessary congruence.”

PUA has taught guys to go gather field experience to determine what they want in women (the types of women you THINK you want before you go out and actually meet and interact with hundreds of them and see what qualities in them actually flip your personal switches, are often very different) and screen for it.

I agree that newbies go power-mad and run wild with it and ignore the stuff on Screening or try to avoid ACTUALLY Screening because if a girl doesn’t pass their Screen it means potentially turning down sex with a girl which is new and exciting to them, but it was always TAUGHT. Human nature though, is to run wild with their new powers until they look around and realize they aren’t getting the quality girls they want and have banged a bunch of shitty girls and then go back and re-read stuff on Screening and go “ok, ya, I gotta do THIS more, shit…” lol

The unfortunate reality of trying to give guys warnings is that most guys need to experience shit first-hand before they accept it. I can tell a newbie all about one-itis and BPD and unicorn syndrome and all that, I can break down every nuance of it and he can agree 100% with it, he can even relate to it because he went through similar stuff with a crush he once had or maybe his first girlfriend who broke his heart, and he’s seen his friends go through it etc. And he can 100% agree and nod his head at the end of the conversation and listen to you talk about it for months and months on end and even fully explain it himself because he listened so fuckin well.

But the first decently cool HB7 he fucks, he’s going to come to you to tell you he’s met a girl who’s “not like the others” and is “special” and he’s going to probably get burned. And you’ll warn him but he’ll brush it off because ya he gets that OTHER guys run into that one-itis thing but you don’t KNOW her like I do man, you just don’t get her, you’re jaded and cynical from the bar sluts you pick up, you don’t know this girl she’s DIFFERENT.

And when that doesn’t work out because he lets himself get absorbed into one-itis thinking he’s immune to it despite all your warnings and explanations, and he ends up doing everything wrong, he’ll simply rationalize it as “oh she was the wrong girl, if I had had the RIGHT girl it would be different” because society/Disney has taught him (and everyone) that if a monoLTR doesn’t work it’s because they had the wrong partner and not because they’re doing something wrong or because the institution of monogamous LTRs is inherently broken (in 2015 especially) or an uphill battle at BEST. Instead he’s told by everyone around him that he just needs to find the right girl.

It’ll often take him getting burned a few times before he finally releases his fingertip death-grip on the Disney fantasy and realizes “maybe it’s not about which girl, maybe it’s something I’m doing or something wrong with the very structure of monoLTRs in general…but wait, what does that mean about marriage? What about kids? The doting monoLTR wife and white pickett fence and 2.5 kids vision I had? I can’t throw that out that was my whole reason for BEING, my entire LIFE!! I don’t HAVE a future in mind that doesn’t involve that exact classic stereotypical lifestyle in mind, it’s too scary to think about this new reality” and he’ll often try AGAIN, one last-ditch effort.

But at some point he finally gives up and realizes that AWALT and that a lot of the shit he was taught by society gave him a lot of false hope and was full of a lot of bullshit and lies to keep him in line being a good worker bee and sacrificing himself and his happiness for other people or “the greater good” (as determined by people who don’t care about his needs or wants or what’s a greater good for HIM as a human being and man).

He can’t get to that point from reading a couple chapters in a PUA guide or some blog articles…I wish he could, it would save guys a lot of pain. But like Tyler says in Fight Club “Only after disaster can we be resurrected.”

The red pill is a jagged little one with razors sticking out of it.

Also props on 4 years worth of excellent content. I found your blog when you were only like 4 posts in, I remember reading one of those first posts and being like “I like this guy’s explanations, I’ll have to bookmark this blog”


The Best of The Rational Male – Year 4

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on August 30th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
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“The problem with just employing PUA skills to get any woman is that sometimes it actually gets you ANY woman. There’s no vetting process, no discernment, taught as part of technique.”

Just because I’m a stickler for accuracy, straight out of Mystery Method’s section entitled Screening:

“So how can you convey to her that she is being screened? By asking screening questions, by giving IOIs and IODs at the right moments, and by actually having real standards about the kind of people you spend your time with. It has to be true for you in order to carry the necessary congruence.”

PUA has taught guys to go gather field experience to determine what they want in women (the types of women you THINK you want before you go out and actually meet and interact with hundreds of them and see what qualities in them actually flip your personal switches, are often very different) and screen for it.

I agree that newbies go power-mad and run wild with it and ignore the stuff on Screening or try to avoid ACTUALLY Screening because if a girl doesn’t pass their Screen it means potentially turning down sex with a girl which is new and exciting to them, but it was always TAUGHT. Human nature though, is to run wild with their new powers until they look around and realize they aren’t getting the quality girls they want and have banged a bunch of shitty girls and then go back and re-read stuff on Screening and go “ok, ya, I gotta do THIS more, shit…” lol

The unfortunate reality of trying to give guys warnings is that most guys need to experience shit first-hand before they accept it. I can tell a newbie all about one-itis and BPD and unicorn syndrome and all that, I can break down every nuance of it and he can agree 100% with it, he can even relate to it because he went through similar stuff with a crush he once had or maybe his first girlfriend who broke his heart, and he’s seen his friends go through it etc. And he can 100% agree and nod his head at the end of the conversation and listen to you talk about it for months and months on end and even fully explain it himself because he listened so fuckin well.

But the first decently cool HB7 he fucks, he’s going to come to you to tell you he’s met a girl who’s “not like the others” and is “special” and he’s going to probably get burned. And you’ll warn him but he’ll brush it off because ya he gets that OTHER guys run into that one-itis thing but you don’t KNOW her like I do man, you just don’t get her, you’re jaded and cynical from the bar sluts you pick up, you don’t know this girl she’s DIFFERENT.

And when that doesn’t work out because he lets himself get absorbed into one-itis thinking he’s immune to it despite all your warnings and explanations, and he ends up doing everything wrong, he’ll simply rationalize it as “oh she was the wrong girl, if I had had the RIGHT girl it would be different” because society/Disney has taught him (and everyone) that if a monoLTR doesn’t work it’s because they had the wrong partner and not because they’re doing something wrong or because the institution of monogamous LTRs is inherently broken (in 2015 especially) or an uphill battle at BEST. Instead he’s told by everyone around him that he just needs to find the right girl.

It’ll often take him getting burned a few times before he finally releases his fingertip death-grip on the Disney fantasy and realizes “maybe it’s not about which girl, maybe it’s something I’m doing or something wrong with the very structure of monoLTRs in general…but wait, what does that mean about marriage? What about kids? The doting monoLTR wife and white pickett fence and 2.5 kids vision I had? I can’t throw that out that was my whole reason for BEING, my entire LIFE!! I don’t HAVE a future in mind that doesn’t involve that exact classic stereotypical lifestyle in mind, it’s too scary to think about this new reality” and he’ll often try AGAIN, one last-ditch effort.

But at some point he finally gives up and realizes that AWALT and that a lot of the shit he was taught by society gave him a lot of false hope and was full of a lot of bullshit and lies to keep him in line being a good worker bee and sacrificing himself and his happiness for other people or “the greater good” (as determined by people who don’t care about his needs or wants or what’s a greater good for HIM as a human being and man).

He can’t get to that point from reading a couple chapters in a PUA guide or some blog articles…I wish he could, it would save guys a lot of pain. But like Tyler says in Fight Club “Only after disaster can we be resurrected.”

The red pill is a jagged little one with razors sticking out of it.

Also props on 4 years worth of excellent content. I found your blog when you were only like 4 posts in, I remember reading one of those first posts and being like “I like this guy’s explanations, I’ll have to bookmark this blog”


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on August 12th, 2015 at 9:32 am
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Why monogamy is broken in 2015:

Monogamy specifically removes the qualities of a man that are attractive. She no longer has any fear that she’ll lose you to another woman, you lose your social/flirting skills, you lose parts of your social circle (no more female friends, sorry, they’ll make your girl too jealous and give you too much drama with cheating accusations), being around hot women is torture since you can only window shop so going out to bars with your single buddies so you lose some friendships, and living in a high-population is less appealing since you can’t DO anything (a house in the suburbs seems more appealing when walking around a major metropolitan downtown core is temptation in every direction). On top of it, you voluntarily become more supplicative and doting, which lowers your value relative to her’s since the lower-value person dotes on the higher-value person, and start doing things that are inherently beta and unattractive (even if she rewards you for washing the dishes and doing the laundry at FIRST). Since you have a girl who “has” to be with you, you have less incentive to stay in shape or eat healthy because you don’t have to land a mate so most men will let their bodies and grooming go because the only woman who really sees them is their wife and she “has” to put out (lol). And the entire time you have to fight your own instincts and increasing temptations trying not to fuck up despite your raising value as you enter your peak SMV years if you DO take care of yourself.

Then on top of that you have all the stuff it does to the girl, like raising her value through the roof in her mind since she’s landed you. This manifests down the road in her appreciating you less and finding you less sexually attractive, and because she doesn’t care as much about fucking you she has less incentive to try to turn you on. So she starts letting her grooming go as well, stops dressing sexy for you, gains weight, etc. because why not? And if she doesn’t, there’s a solid chance it’s because she’s looking to monkey-branch to a higher-value man.

Why does she think she can get a higher-value man? She’s 30, she has a good man who’s been working hard…what does she think is going to happen, she’s going to bail and then upgrade to a rich alpha 6-packed doctor? Yes. Yes she DOES think that. Because mainstream media has been feeding her that delusional fantasy her entire life, from Sex & The City to Girls to the latest Amy Schumer romcom movies. Her friends all call her gorgeous no matter how disgusting she gets and by taking a pic at just the right Myspace Angle she can bathe in the attention of thousands of men online via social media, dating sites and Tinder (not just from good-looking rich men but from celebrities too, she legitimately thinks she can date a AAA celeb because he RT’ed her on Twitter). They don’t want to COMMIT to her, but she’s not thinking about COMMITMENT…Commitment is BORING, she HAS that with you and she’s SO bored and it’s probably your fault somehow anyway. Besides she knows that rich alpha 6-packed doctor might be ABLE to get younger hotter girls with less baggage and bitterness, but like a 5 year old who doesn’t understand that Santa Claus isn’t real she thinks she’s going to win his heart in the long-run just like that girl in 50 Shades of Grey.

And other men seem attractive. Why? Because they’re FORBIDDEN. Because of monogamy she’s not ALLOWED to fuck them, or date them, or even be AROUND them depending on how jealous her boyfriend is. And those other men look GOOD, because they’re still taking care of themselves or are high-value men at her office, maybe even wearing suits just like Don Draper. She doesn’t know that most of them are chodes under the surface. She doesn’t know most of them will be shitty lays. She doesn’t know most of them, if she went on a date with them, would make so many mistakes that turn her off that she would never even think about fucking them ever again because they’ve demonstrated their low-value to her. All she sees is guys she can’t talk to, giving her orders at work, and are probably sipping scotch in their office like Don Draper because TV is real. If she could spend some time with these men, she’d realize they were shit and her man is overall much higher value and more what she needs. But monogamy FORBIDS it. Don’t eat the apple, Eve!

She doesn’t even HAVE to break it off with you. She can monkey-branch on the side because Eat Pray Love, you go grrrl! In fact she’s INCENTIVIZED with cash & prizes by the gov’t and society to no-fault divorce you if she’s married to you. No one will call her an idiot, no one will call her a bad person making a mistake, and she can hamster rationalize that you were “emotionally absuive” and throw you and your reputation under the bus while all her girlfriends call her gorgeous and courageous. Grrl-power!!

Meanwhile, at the same time as all of that is happening, she is ACTIVELY trying to lower your value because she’s instinctively shit-testing you to see how much you value yourself. She made you cookies, will you scarf them down or is your body and health important to you? She’ll be SAD if you don’t eat them all, plus she LIKES you all cuddly! She may even put out more if you eat those cookies! So hey, fuck your personal rules for yourself and your boundaries, bend them a little to make the li’l woman happy. Next time she makes you a nice big home-cooked meal full of fattening foods and way more than you need to be satiated. But hey, you’re getting home-cookin! Plus she likes you a little cuddly! So let’s bend that rule again. And on and on, in all categories from physical appearance, to health, to social life, to hobbies, even to career in some cases. Gotta’ pass that job opportunity up to keep the li’l lady happy! Happy wife, happy life AMIRITE?? ‘course now you’ve shown that she’s your top priority over basically everything and you’re so desperate and in scarcity (oops I mean “in love”) that you’ll sabotage your own financial future and health and friendships etc. for her…which just loops back to feeding her belief that she’s much higher value.

So that’s monogamy. Sounds awesome. Literally from day one you are stacking as many odds against yourself as possible.

But let’s say you get through alllll of that up above and still make it work. Well hey, now it’s time to move in together! How’s that going to look?

Now that you live together you see eachother all day every day. All the mystique vanishes, you hear her taking diarrhea dumps and see her without makeup and sexy outfits, she sees you laying on the couch slothing around watching TV and watching YouTube in your boxers eating kid’s cereal. You can text eachother all day every day so there’s never any question about your whereabouts. She knows where you are and who you’re with 24/7 and if you don’t check in when she asks then she can nag you (and if you don’t comply, hello no-fault divorce!). There’s no mystery to you anymore, and the mystery was part of what was attractive about you. You’re like a solved puzzle, there’s nothing to really do with it, it’s not fun anymore the way it was when she was first dating you and trying to figure you out to get you to settle down.

So shit gets boring and the sex life dies down. Know why? Because you haven’t shown enough COMMITMENT! If you married her you’d see what a wonderful wife she is! She may even turn on the charm until you propose and right up to the wedding she’s your perfect angel! ‘course after the wedding she lets herself go to shit. Because why WOULDN’T she? She’s in a win/win situation for her. You can’t leave her, and if you do she gets your money and accolades from society and will upgrade to a doctor (in her mind). Why would she keep putting any effort in? Especially when you’re less and less attractive to her.

But hey, let’s pop out a kid, maybe that’ll spice things up. Nope, now you have even less free time even if she DID want to touch your dick, and more bills to pay, she refuses to lose the excessive North American pregnancy weight she gained “eating for two (the 2nd being the size of a milk jug)” and you can’t MAKE her or tell her she’s anything but gorgeous or hello divorce-rape and Robin Williams ending.

Through this WHOLE thing you’re restraining yourself from cheating, fighting a battle every day dying inside because your own wife won’t touch your weiner anymore and you’re too good a man to break vows you’ve made and you spend your life struggling and frustrated and miserable…meanwhile at 45+ she ditches you because she thinks it’s not too late to find that rich doting alpha male doctor who’s going to treat her like her fantasies.

Anyone want to sign up for this? And espeically legally tie half your assets and the ability to see your children etc to this?

Now in the “good ol’ days” shit wasn’t perfect but a lot of these problems were neutralized enough to make monogamy was possible. Men and women worked together in the household to balance eachother out and knew their places to make a functional household, life was significantly more difficult without for her without a good provider, society would shame her for fucking up, divorce needed an actualy reason besides “I’m unhaaaaappy this week” or “he disagreed with my opinion I’m in an emotionally abusive relationship omg!!”. People weren’t connected globally with the Internet so her selection of men was a handful of average to low value guys in her local town’s social circle so if she had a decent men there weren’t a lot of options for cheating anyway. Men had household authority to lay the law down on nagging and sure she might not be happy 100% of the time but nobody is and in the end the two of them would manage to raise decent kids in a decent household. Men may cheat on the side here and there but it wasn’t a big deal in society because boys will be boys, and it just increases his Hypergamy anyway. And technology lacked enough that there was so much work to do around that house that there wasn’t as much time to sit around stirring up drama. There was no texting and cell phones and shit so when the man of the house went off to work his wife had no idea where he was or what he was doing, and if he comes home late she worries that he’s cheating, worries that he’s dead, worries about a bunch of stuff that makes her appreciate having him when he finally shows up and if he smells of after-work drinks well hey he was probably with some important client closing a deal or out cheating with the secretary and if she stepped up her game he wouldn’t want to cheat and she NEEDS him so she better step it up.

So monogamy made sense for a while there.

But now? Not so much.

Now for a couple paragraphcs I’m going to MENTION oLTRs but stick with me because I’m not actually recommending them I’m just explaining one of their dynamics that’s relevant to my next point (oLTRs are a whole topic in themselves), my main topic is actually pLTRs not oLTRs as you’ll see in a second but I just want to mention that a dynamic people who don’t understand Hypergamy don’t realize about oLTRs is that if you TELL a girl she can see other guys, if you’re doing it from abundance (ie – I hope some other guy keeps you busy so you don’t annoy me so much being around all the time) instead of scarcity (ie – I’m a chode and my wife wants to cuckold me so I’m letting her sleep around even tho it kills me inside) then the very ACT of “trying to pawn her off on other guys” MAKES you higher value than them, triggering her Hypergamous instincts just like this article Rollo wrote about post-selection. You’re essentially creating the same dynamics as dumping her, without dumping her. Because of how this works in chick-logic, she ends up not WANTING to be with other guys because women don’t want 500 new dicks a weekend, they want the top dog. That’s Hypergamy in action. Patrice O’Neal calls girls out on this all the time, listen to his shit if you haven’t.

So the irony of YOU establishing an oLTR from a high-value abundant frame at the START of your relationship (again VS from a low-value scarcity frame later in your LTR when shit is falling apart, which is where girls run off and suck 500 dicks every weekend), is that it’s an illusionary offer because her chick-brain will end up making her say “no that’s okay I just want YOU” while you’re still in an “oLTR” so you can fuck around with other girls. So the end result is a one-sided oLTR where she’s monogamous to you and you can fuck around.

Because even if she DOES go try and fuck around, if you’re a high-value red-pill guy with game, she’s going to go on a date or two and find out how lame other guys are compared to you and come back more appreciative because you took the mystery away from those guys. They’re no longer forbidden fruit they’re the guy in the suit who won’t shut up about some topic she doesn’t care about and who was rude to a waitress and who wasn’t smooth in his escalation and she bailed on him after they had dinner and then the next weekend threw on lingerie for you because she feels more appreciative to have you. The guy she’s forbidden to talk to is perfect to her, the guy she’s forced to talk to reveals his flaws.

In fact now that I think about it it might be good to punish it too, like give her a mini-freeze out if she goes on a date. Like a week of no contact under the guise of “I just want you to give him a fair try incase you’ll be happier with him.” Meanwhile halfway through their date she’s lost attraction for him and then she suffers for a week with no contact from you, the guy who’s objectively higher value than that other guy because you gave no fucks about him taking her, etc. etc Hypergamy.

Anyway, so if you do it right an oLTR becomes a one-sided oLTR naturally. This stuff all has to be established from day one of course, not 7 years into a monoLTR when shit gets rocky. You can always become MORE committed and see other girls less because that’s her winning you over, you can’t go the other way around without massive drama and loss because that’s you saying she’s not good enough.

But a lot of guys don’t want to fuck around with oLTRs because 1) they don’t believe in their own value and they give other guys WAY too much credit so they aren’t confident that they ARE the best man for her above all other men (which comes off in their subcommunications and helps her view them as potentially not the best option too since she pings off of you for how to feel), and 2) it’s admittedly a bit of a roll of the dice esp if you haven’t been in those dynamics before and seen this shit happen and fully understand and trust it…so I don’t blame them.

So then what’s an alternative relationship style that men in 2015, from MGTOWs to MRAs to PUAs to TRPers etc. CAN do? And can theoretically lead to raising kids as well? Well it’s the one we’re all kind of already doing naturally but with structure and rules added to it to form an actual executable coherent system:

The way of the future as society continues down this path is what I like to call Primary LTR, or pLTR.

It’s the Hugh Hefner system: You start by learning pickup and then you build a harem of quality casual fuckbuddies you enjoy being around. Over time one of those girls stands out above the others and you allow her to be your Primary. She gets special priveleges that the others don’t (basically she gets to be an LTR that you do all the girlfriend shit with, she can keep a toothbrush there and stay multiple nights and you treat her like a GF basically, and/or she can have extra perks like Hef trusted Holly to run the magazine when he doesn’t let ANYONE do that but him normally etc but this is all on YOUR terms and you define how involved you want to be…long-term this is the girl you would meet her family and shit with the intention of one day popping out kids with her), BUT she starts from the same level as the rest of them and knows she can be RETURNED to the same level as them if she fucks up. As time goes on and the low-quality girls weed themselves out, you end up making 2-4 other girls your Secondaries depending on your sex drive (0 other girls creates the disasterous oneitis monogamy situation, 1 other girl feels kind of like just cheating and comparing the two and you can’t see her very frequently so you have to rely on your Primary for sex etc more, but 2 other girls feels more like a good balance between variety (of sex and personalities) and helps keep you from developing oneitis for any of them or spending too much time with a Secondary etc, I think most guys would be happy with 2 solid regular Secondaries but high sex drives may want a few more). Those Secondaries get more priveleges than the casual girls (you prioritize them higher in your schedule and occasionally treat them nice maybe even take them on dates if they’ve earned it etc) but not as much as your Primary (you don’t do romantic stuff with them they don’t get a say in your life etc). The rest of the girls are casual fuckbuddies (sex ONLY) and below their level are the one-night stands etc. Because your girls all started out in a harem, which you used to game to be open and honest about and screen out any girls who caused you drama over it, they know you have other girls, and since each girl knows her place and each girl might not be at the TOP but are at least higher than “those other bitches” (the level below them in the heirarchy), they’re happy. Any girl who gives you drama (like a Secondary talking shit about your Primary or trying to fuck that relationship up or nag you to let her replace her or just drama in general about anything or lets herself get fat lazy etc) is lowered a level in the heirarchy until she earns her way back up and if she causes too much drama she gets a freezeout for a period of time and is given another chance. If she decides to play along she can start back from the bottom of the heirarchy, and if she doesn’t then she’s frozen out again. It’s entirely her decision whether to stay or go, there’s no controlling or demanding, there’s just your rules that make you happy and you have the abundance to remove girls who don’t follow them.

The reason this works is because girls would rather share 10% of an alpha than have 100% of a beta. And in 2015 girls can afford to provide for themselves, they don’t need your money, so you don’t have to be rich to pull this off. If anything often they’ll buy shit for you because they want to win their way up higher in the heirarchy so you don’t have to be some guy providing for 5 girls like some Sister Wives shit. Every girl at every level experiences some degree of passive or active dread which keeps them appreciative, and every girl at every level is forced to bring her A-game to the table. You stay mysterious to most of them and they all know they can be replaced at any time. As Patrice O’Neal says: she knows you’re HOPING she fucks up or leaves you because you would LOVE to replace her with an orgy of hotter girls because you know your value and you have the game to do that, she knows you can’t WAIT for her to say “fine I’m leaving!!” because you’ll shout “good!!” and kick the door closed behind her laughing. You come and go as you please, making your own mission in life your top priority and any girl who gives you shit over that gets demoted or frozen out and eventually removed because your personal goals come above all else…which is ATTRACTIVE to them. Your purpose is something other than her, HER purpose is YOU. That’s what she NEEDS.

Girls’ main worry is social judgement. So your Primary gets to call you her boyfriend and for all intents and purposes to her friends and family she is in a traditional monoLTR with you…so she doesn’t have her friends and family pressuring her and telling her she must not respect herself etc. Most girls are totally fine with this setup, even HAPPY in it (because she has constant reminders of how pre-selected you are which makes her Hypergamy happy), until their friends and family start meddling and applying social pressure on her and making her feel judged, then suddenly it’s a problem…not because she’s objectively unhappy suddenly but because her ASD kicks in and then she’s forced to give you The Ultimatum (choose me and monogamy or I can’t do this anymore) and you have to let her go.

Your Secondaries don’t get to call you their boyfriend but they can tell people you’re dating, MAYBE. Even that I wouldn’t let them do. I’d let them say we’re “sleeping together” maybe. Either way, they don’t get to pretend to be your girlfriend because they have to understand that they are NOT your Primary and she gets special priveleges. Enforcing this makes your Primary feel like her priveleges are more special, and makes your Secondaries feel like she’s lucky to be your Primary and they respect her more (I know this sounds absurd lol but I had Secondaries voluntarily recommending wine and restaraunts that my Primary would like because they viewed her as lucky to be my Primary and I think it kicks in some kind of “if he treats his Primary well then someday I might get to be his (or another guy’s) Primary and get to be treated well!” instincts, not entirely sure off the top of my head I’d have to sit down and think about exactly what’s going on there, it blew my mind though because it’s the exact opposite of what society tells you will happen (ie – society says they’ll be catty and jealous and make drama)).

And if you don’t WANT a girlfriend or none of them pass all of your qualifications for Primary status, you just keep them all in Secondary status until down the road as you have more and more girls pass thru your harem over the years, you find a stand-out girl who earns Primary status and you’re at a point in your life where you want to start heading toward having kids.

All of this requires developing solid frame control and setting establishing and enforcing boundaries, which I explain how to do in YaReally-level depth here (it’s something you should be doing with all relationships male, female, familial, etc. in your life anyway so give it a read):

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871

Anyway so you ideally never move in with any of them because your live isn’t going to be enhanced by that if anything it’ll make it more difficult to accomplish your personal goals in other areas, BUT if you DO have to move in with your Primary because you want to raise a kid (who’s ideally into other women since most girls these days like to play around with girls a bit so you screen for that, so that you can have other women over and fuck them together instead of going the mongamy route out of convenience because she lives with you), you budget to afford a tiny studio apartment somewhere in the city. This is going to be your “office”. Desk, bed, kitchen, fridge, shower, you name it. It’s an actual apartment not an office. She doesn’t get the key to this place. You have everything you need for a nice long comfortable stay, and conveniently it’s a place to fuck the rest of your harem. If you work from home you can work from this office instead so there’s some mystery about what you do all day, and you can stay late just like a real office. This apartment is important because it’s where you’re able to keep your power despite living with her. When you fight, there’s no sleeping on the couch bullshit, you can just do a freezeout walking out and living in comfort elsewhere for a while until she smartens up because she knows you’re off probably fucking other girls in comfort not crashing on a buddy’s couch or in some seedy hotel. And occasionally you can just make up fake work bullshit and say you have a lot to do tonight so you’ll just crash at the office and just “be gone” giving her the gift of missing you in her bed that night so she’s reminded what life without you is like.

This is pretty much the ideal structure for a dude under 40 (older, even), and even guys who are MGTOWs or MRAs etc instead of PUAs could do this (but studying some pickup will help you GET that harem and give you the confidence to know that you can replace any of them at any time). A lot of them are doing it but they’re not doing it very structured, they’re half-assing it and don’t know the rules for managing fuckbuddies and the logistics of some of this shit. If I ever wrote a book it would probably be about this topic because I think this is where shit is headed naturally. I have more experimentation to do, but so far all of this holds up and plays out how I’ve described it. A pLTR has dread and pre-selection BUILT INTO IT and plays off Hypergamy which we know is a reliable concept. In 2015 a monoLTR removes dread, removes pre-selection and lowers the man’s value while raising the value of EVERYONE AROUND HIM especially his girl until he’s no longer triggering her Hypergamy.

I also put the pLTR system above mLTRs (multiple LTRs where each girl is treated like a Primary/Secondary essentially without as rigid a heirarchal structure) because I think it theoretically breeds less jealousy since each girl knows her place VS all feeling like they almost have the top place and start bringing more drama to get there (like the Joker says “nobody panics when things go “according to plan” even if that plan is horrifying”, we like having rules and heirarchies and knowing our place), and ultimately you’ll want to pick “the best one” to have kids with since most men have that goal.

Kids is where shit gets tricky. I haven’t figured that part out yet. I have some ideas on it but it’s not something I’m concerned about yet because I don’t want kids till I’m in my late 40s (with proper diet and exercise I should be nice and healthy and able to raise kids then, plus I’ll be freezing sperm in my 30s to avoid the Hef fate (from what I’ve pieced together freezing sperm tech didn’t exist when Hef was in his prime and word has it him and Holly tried for kids but couldn’t make it happen, probably because he was shooting blanks at 80, so she had to bail on him because she’s clearly a baby rabies type esp as she hit 30)). I think Blackdragon has experimented with this, Tyler from RSD, Gene Simmons was doing just fine till he went public with his relationship dynamics and brought the social pressure and judgement of the entire world down on him lol There are other examples out there but a lot of them are hush-hush (like Will and Jada) and I actually think it would be possible to keep a lot of this structure and still have kids. But anything that makes it difficult for you to leave her reduces your “hand” in the relationship and you can avoid EVERYTHING especially legal stuff, but kids are the ultimate “NOW you’re locked in” card.

Rollo’s been married for a million years and it seems to be going good, but what’s Rollo’s situation really? He works with sexy promo chicks and is around Vegas party venues. Passive dread game is built into his career despite monogamy. Plus he’s older and his wife wasn’t brought up with the same delusional bullshit that mid-20s girls in 2015 have been brought up with so her brain isn’t going to be wired the same as what we’re seeing out in the marketplace these days. Plus he’s an alpha boss and understands all this red pill shit and has a history as a high-value guy so you know he’s naturally staying attractive and triggering Hypergamy.

But this is 2015. Society and culture have changed and we have to adapt to it. I see men under 30 signing up for marriage who could never wrap their head around the dynamics I’m explaining and ALL think “that won’t happen to ME, that’s just those dumb bar sluts you go for, MY girl is different” like they’re holding onto a unicorn and like my buddies and I haven’t met girls just like theirs in daygame and fucked them just like we fuck bar chicks, even when they’re married.

I’d like to do a bigass “how to” guide on all this someday when I’m older and more experienced, really going down into the nitty gritty of it, but right now I’d say Blackdragon’s books/posts are the best source of info on this topic in general, as well as Patrice O’Neal’s relationship philosophies on YouTube. Any guy under 40 should be at least open to thinking about this. A lot of the reason guys will shut it out is because they think “I can’t even get ONE girlfriend, how am I going to get a HAREM that’s some hollywood fantasy or rich 6-pack shit” but it all comes down to game. Classic Mystery Method was designed to trigger girls falling in LOVE with you not just getting laid.


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Why monogamy is broken in 2015:

Monogamy specifically removes the qualities of a man that are attractive. She no longer has any fear that she’ll lose you to another woman, you lose your social/flirting skills, you lose parts of your social circle (no more female friends, sorry, they’ll make your girl too jealous and give you too much drama with cheating accusations), being around hot women is torture since you can only window shop so going out to bars with your single buddies so you lose some friendships, and living in a high-population is less appealing since you can’t DO anything (a house in the suburbs seems more appealing when walking around a major metropolitan downtown core is temptation in every direction). On top of it, you voluntarily become more supplicative and doting, which lowers your value relative to her’s since the lower-value person dotes on the higher-value person, and start doing things that are inherently beta and unattractive (even if she rewards you for washing the dishes and doing the laundry at FIRST). Since you have a girl who “has” to be with you, you have less incentive to stay in shape or eat healthy because you don’t have to land a mate so most men will let their bodies and grooming go because the only woman who really sees them is their wife and she “has” to put out (lol). And the entire time you have to fight your own instincts and increasing temptations trying not to fuck up despite your raising value as you enter your peak SMV years if you DO take care of yourself.

Then on top of that you have all the stuff it does to the girl, like raising her value through the roof in her mind since she’s landed you. This manifests down the road in her appreciating you less and finding you less sexually attractive, and because she doesn’t care as much about fucking you she has less incentive to try to turn you on. So she starts letting her grooming go as well, stops dressing sexy for you, gains weight, etc. because why not? And if she doesn’t, there’s a solid chance it’s because she’s looking to monkey-branch to a higher-value man.

Why does she think she can get a higher-value man? She’s 30, she has a good man who’s been working hard…what does she think is going to happen, she’s going to bail and then upgrade to a rich alpha 6-packed doctor? Yes. Yes she DOES think that. Because mainstream media has been feeding her that delusional fantasy her entire life, from Sex & The City to Girls to the latest Amy Schumer romcom movies. Her friends all call her gorgeous no matter how disgusting she gets and by taking a pic at just the right Myspace Angle she can bathe in the attention of thousands of men online via social media, dating sites and Tinder (not just from good-looking rich men but from celebrities too, she legitimately thinks she can date a AAA celeb because he RT’ed her on Twitter). They don’t want to COMMIT to her, but she’s not thinking about COMMITMENT…Commitment is BORING, she HAS that with you and she’s SO bored and it’s probably your fault somehow anyway. Besides she knows that rich alpha 6-packed doctor might be ABLE to get younger hotter girls with less baggage and bitterness, but like a 5 year old who doesn’t understand that Santa Claus isn’t real she thinks she’s going to win his heart in the long-run just like that girl in 50 Shades of Grey.

And other men seem attractive. Why? Because they’re FORBIDDEN. Because of monogamy she’s not ALLOWED to fuck them, or date them, or even be AROUND them depending on how jealous her boyfriend is. And those other men look GOOD, because they’re still taking care of themselves or are high-value men at her office, maybe even wearing suits just like Don Draper. She doesn’t know that most of them are chodes under the surface. She doesn’t know most of them will be shitty lays. She doesn’t know most of them, if she went on a date with them, would make so many mistakes that turn her off that she would never even think about fucking them ever again because they’ve demonstrated their low-value to her. All she sees is guys she can’t talk to, giving her orders at work, and are probably sipping scotch in their office like Don Draper because TV is real. If she could spend some time with these men, she’d realize they were shit and her man is overall much higher value and more what she needs. But monogamy FORBIDS it. Don’t eat the apple, Eve!

She doesn’t even HAVE to break it off with you. She can monkey-branch on the side because Eat Pray Love, you go grrrl! In fact she’s INCENTIVIZED with cash & prizes by the gov’t and society to no-fault divorce you if she’s married to you. No one will call her an idiot, no one will call her a bad person making a mistake, and she can hamster rationalize that you were “emotionally absuive” and throw you and your reputation under the bus while all her girlfriends call her gorgeous and courageous. Grrl-power!!

Meanwhile, at the same time as all of that is happening, she is ACTIVELY trying to lower your value because she’s instinctively shit-testing you to see how much you value yourself. She made you cookies, will you scarf them down or is your body and health important to you? She’ll be SAD if you don’t eat them all, plus she LIKES you all cuddly! She may even put out more if you eat those cookies! So hey, fuck your personal rules for yourself and your boundaries, bend them a little to make the li’l woman happy. Next time she makes you a nice big home-cooked meal full of fattening foods and way more than you need to be satiated. But hey, you’re getting home-cookin! Plus she likes you a little cuddly! So let’s bend that rule again. And on and on, in all categories from physical appearance, to health, to social life, to hobbies, even to career in some cases. Gotta’ pass that job opportunity up to keep the li’l lady happy! Happy wife, happy life AMIRITE?? ‘course now you’ve shown that she’s your top priority over basically everything and you’re so desperate and in scarcity (oops I mean “in love”) that you’ll sabotage your own financial future and health and friendships etc. for her…which just loops back to feeding her belief that she’s much higher value.

So that’s monogamy. Sounds awesome. Literally from day one you are stacking as many odds against yourself as possible.

But let’s say you get through alllll of that up above and still make it work. Well hey, now it’s time to move in together! How’s that going to look?

Now that you live together you see eachother all day every day. All the mystique vanishes, you hear her taking diarrhea dumps and see her without makeup and sexy outfits, she sees you laying on the couch slothing around watching TV and watching YouTube in your boxers eating kid’s cereal. You can text eachother all day every day so there’s never any question about your whereabouts. She knows where you are and who you’re with 24/7 and if you don’t check in when she asks then she can nag you (and if you don’t comply, hello no-fault divorce!). There’s no mystery to you anymore, and the mystery was part of what was attractive about you. You’re like a solved puzzle, there’s nothing to really do with it, it’s not fun anymore the way it was when she was first dating you and trying to figure you out to get you to settle down.

So shit gets boring and the sex life dies down. Know why? Because you haven’t shown enough COMMITMENT! If you married her you’d see what a wonderful wife she is! She may even turn on the charm until you propose and right up to the wedding she’s your perfect angel! ‘course after the wedding she lets herself go to shit. Because why WOULDN’T she? She’s in a win/win situation for her. You can’t leave her, and if you do she gets your money and accolades from society and will upgrade to a doctor (in her mind). Why would she keep putting any effort in? Especially when you’re less and less attractive to her.

But hey, let’s pop out a kid, maybe that’ll spice things up. Nope, now you have even less free time even if she DID want to touch your dick, and more bills to pay, she refuses to lose the excessive North American pregnancy weight she gained “eating for two (the 2nd being the size of a milk jug)” and you can’t MAKE her or tell her she’s anything but gorgeous or hello divorce-rape and Robin Williams ending.

Through this WHOLE thing you’re restraining yourself from cheating, fighting a battle every day dying inside because your own wife won’t touch your weiner anymore and you’re too good a man to break vows you’ve made and you spend your life struggling and frustrated and miserable…meanwhile at 45+ she ditches you because she thinks it’s not too late to find that rich doting alpha male doctor who’s going to treat her like her fantasies.

Anyone want to sign up for this? And espeically legally tie half your assets and the ability to see your children etc to this?

Now in the “good ol’ days” shit wasn’t perfect but a lot of these problems were neutralized enough to make monogamy was possible. Men and women worked together in the household to balance eachother out and knew their places to make a functional household, life was significantly more difficult without for her without a good provider, society would shame her for fucking up, divorce needed an actualy reason besides “I’m unhaaaaappy this week” or “he disagreed with my opinion I’m in an emotionally abusive relationship omg!!”. People weren’t connected globally with the Internet so her selection of men was a handful of average to low value guys in her local town’s social circle so if she had a decent men there weren’t a lot of options for cheating anyway. Men had household authority to lay the law down on nagging and sure she might not be happy 100% of the time but nobody is and in the end the two of them would manage to raise decent kids in a decent household. Men may cheat on the side here and there but it wasn’t a big deal in society because boys will be boys, and it just increases his Hypergamy anyway. And technology lacked enough that there was so much work to do around that house that there wasn’t as much time to sit around stirring up drama. There was no texting and cell phones and shit so when the man of the house went off to work his wife had no idea where he was or what he was doing, and if he comes home late she worries that he’s cheating, worries that he’s dead, worries about a bunch of stuff that makes her appreciate having him when he finally shows up and if he smells of after-work drinks well hey he was probably with some important client closing a deal or out cheating with the secretary and if she stepped up her game he wouldn’t want to cheat and she NEEDS him so she better step it up.

So monogamy made sense for a while there.

But now? Not so much.

Now for a couple paragraphcs I’m going to MENTION oLTRs but stick with me because I’m not actually recommending them I’m just explaining one of their dynamics that’s relevant to my next point (oLTRs are a whole topic in themselves), my main topic is actually pLTRs not oLTRs as you’ll see in a second but I just want to mention that a dynamic people who don’t understand Hypergamy don’t realize about oLTRs is that if you TELL a girl she can see other guys, if you’re doing it from abundance (ie – I hope some other guy keeps you busy so you don’t annoy me so much being around all the time) instead of scarcity (ie – I’m a chode and my wife wants to cuckold me so I’m letting her sleep around even tho it kills me inside) then the very ACT of “trying to pawn her off on other guys” MAKES you higher value than them, triggering her Hypergamous instincts just like this article Rollo wrote about post-selection. You’re essentially creating the same dynamics as dumping her, without dumping her. Because of how this works in chick-logic, she ends up not WANTING to be with other guys because women don’t want 500 new dicks a weekend, they want the top dog. That’s Hypergamy in action. Patrice O’Neal calls girls out on this all the time, listen to his shit if you haven’t.

So the irony of YOU establishing an oLTR from a high-value abundant frame at the START of your relationship (again VS from a low-value scarcity frame later in your LTR when shit is falling apart, which is where girls run off and suck 500 dicks every weekend), is that it’s an illusionary offer because her chick-brain will end up making her say “no that’s okay I just want YOU” while you’re still in an “oLTR” so you can fuck around with other girls. So the end result is a one-sided oLTR where she’s monogamous to you and you can fuck around.

Because even if she DOES go try and fuck around, if you’re a high-value red-pill guy with game, she’s going to go on a date or two and find out how lame other guys are compared to you and come back more appreciative because you took the mystery away from those guys. They’re no longer forbidden fruit they’re the guy in the suit who won’t shut up about some topic she doesn’t care about and who was rude to a waitress and who wasn’t smooth in his escalation and she bailed on him after they had dinner and then the next weekend threw on lingerie for you because she feels more appreciative to have you. The guy she’s forbidden to talk to is perfect to her, the guy she’s forced to talk to reveals his flaws.

In fact now that I think about it it might be good to punish it too, like give her a mini-freeze out if she goes on a date. Like a week of no contact under the guise of “I just want you to give him a fair try incase you’ll be happier with him.” Meanwhile halfway through their date she’s lost attraction for him and then she suffers for a week with no contact from you, the guy who’s objectively higher value than that other guy because you gave no fucks about him taking her, etc. etc Hypergamy.

Anyway, so if you do it right an oLTR becomes a one-sided oLTR naturally. This stuff all has to be established from day one of course, not 7 years into a monoLTR when shit gets rocky. You can always become MORE committed and see other girls less because that’s her winning you over, you can’t go the other way around without massive drama and loss because that’s you saying she’s not good enough.

But a lot of guys don’t want to fuck around with oLTRs because 1) they don’t believe in their own value and they give other guys WAY too much credit so they aren’t confident that they ARE the best man for her above all other men (which comes off in their subcommunications and helps her view them as potentially not the best option too since she pings off of you for how to feel), and 2) it’s admittedly a bit of a roll of the dice esp if you haven’t been in those dynamics before and seen this shit happen and fully understand and trust it…so I don’t blame them.

So then what’s an alternative relationship style that men in 2015, from MGTOWs to MRAs to PUAs to TRPers etc. CAN do? And can theoretically lead to raising kids as well? Well it’s the one we’re all kind of already doing naturally but with structure and rules added to it to form an actual executable coherent system:

The way of the future as society continues down this path is what I like to call Primary LTR, or pLTR.

It’s the Hugh Hefner system: You start by learning pickup and then you build a harem of quality casual fuckbuddies you enjoy being around. Over time one of those girls stands out above the others and you allow her to be your Primary. She gets special priveleges that the others don’t (basically she gets to be an LTR that you do all the girlfriend shit with, she can keep a toothbrush there and stay multiple nights and you treat her like a GF basically, and/or she can have extra perks like Hef trusted Holly to run the magazine when he doesn’t let ANYONE do that but him normally etc but this is all on YOUR terms and you define how involved you want to be…long-term this is the girl you would meet her family and shit with the intention of one day popping out kids with her), BUT she starts from the same level as the rest of them and knows she can be RETURNED to the same level as them if she fucks up. As time goes on and the low-quality girls weed themselves out, you end up making 2-4 other girls your Secondaries depending on your sex drive (0 other girls creates the disasterous oneitis monogamy situation, 1 other girl feels kind of like just cheating and comparing the two and you can’t see her very frequently so you have to rely on your Primary for sex etc more, but 2 other girls feels more like a good balance between variety (of sex and personalities) and helps keep you from developing oneitis for any of them or spending too much time with a Secondary etc, I think most guys would be happy with 2 solid regular Secondaries but high sex drives may want a few more). Those Secondaries get more priveleges than the casual girls (you prioritize them higher in your schedule and occasionally treat them nice maybe even take them on dates if they’ve earned it etc) but not as much as your Primary (you don’t do romantic stuff with them they don’t get a say in your life etc). The rest of the girls are casual fuckbuddies (sex ONLY) and below their level are the one-night stands etc. Because your girls all started out in a harem, which you used to game to be open and honest about and screen out any girls who caused you drama over it, they know you have other girls, and since each girl knows her place and each girl might not be at the TOP but are at least higher than “those other bitches” (the level below them in the heirarchy), they’re happy. Any girl who gives you drama (like a Secondary talking shit about your Primary or trying to fuck that relationship up or nag you to let her replace her or just drama in general about anything or lets herself get fat lazy etc) is lowered a level in the heirarchy until she earns her way back up and if she causes too much drama she gets a freezeout for a period of time and is given another chance. If she decides to play along she can start back from the bottom of the heirarchy, and if she doesn’t then she’s frozen out again. It’s entirely her decision whether to stay or go, there’s no controlling or demanding, there’s just your rules that make you happy and you have the abundance to remove girls who don’t follow them.

The reason this works is because girls would rather share 10% of an alpha than have 100% of a beta. And in 2015 girls can afford to provide for themselves, they don’t need your money, so you don’t have to be rich to pull this off. If anything often they’ll buy shit for you because they want to win their way up higher in the heirarchy so you don’t have to be some guy providing for 5 girls like some Sister Wives shit. Every girl at every level experiences some degree of passive or active dread which keeps them appreciative, and every girl at every level is forced to bring her A-game to the table. You stay mysterious to most of them and they all know they can be replaced at any time. As Patrice O’Neal says: she knows you’re HOPING she fucks up or leaves you because you would LOVE to replace her with an orgy of hotter girls because you know your value and you have the game to do that, she knows you can’t WAIT for her to say “fine I’m leaving!!” because you’ll shout “good!!” and kick the door closed behind her laughing. You come and go as you please, making your own mission in life your top priority and any girl who gives you shit over that gets demoted or frozen out and eventually removed because your personal goals come above all else…which is ATTRACTIVE to them. Your purpose is something other than her, HER purpose is YOU. That’s what she NEEDS.

Girls’ main worry is social judgement. So your Primary gets to call you her boyfriend and for all intents and purposes to her friends and family she is in a traditional monoLTR with you…so she doesn’t have her friends and family pressuring her and telling her she must not respect herself etc. Most girls are totally fine with this setup, even HAPPY in it (because she has constant reminders of how pre-selected you are which makes her Hypergamy happy), until their friends and family start meddling and applying social pressure on her and making her feel judged, then suddenly it’s a problem…not because she’s objectively unhappy suddenly but because her ASD kicks in and then she’s forced to give you The Ultimatum (choose me and monogamy or I can’t do this anymore) and you have to let her go.

Your Secondaries don’t get to call you their boyfriend but they can tell people you’re dating, MAYBE. Even that I wouldn’t let them do. I’d let them say we’re “sleeping together” maybe. Either way, they don’t get to pretend to be your girlfriend because they have to understand that they are NOT your Primary and she gets special priveleges. Enforcing this makes your Primary feel like her priveleges are more special, and makes your Secondaries feel like she’s lucky to be your Primary and they respect her more (I know this sounds absurd lol but I had Secondaries voluntarily recommending wine and restaraunts that my Primary would like because they viewed her as lucky to be my Primary and I think it kicks in some kind of “if he treats his Primary well then someday I might get to be his (or another guy’s) Primary and get to be treated well!” instincts, not entirely sure off the top of my head I’d have to sit down and think about exactly what’s going on there, it blew my mind though because it’s the exact opposite of what society tells you will happen (ie – society says they’ll be catty and jealous and make drama)).

And if you don’t WANT a girlfriend or none of them pass all of your qualifications for Primary status, you just keep them all in Secondary status until down the road as you have more and more girls pass thru your harem over the years, you find a stand-out girl who earns Primary status and you’re at a point in your life where you want to start heading toward having kids.

All of this requires developing solid frame control and setting establishing and enforcing boundaries, which I explain how to do in YaReally-level depth here (it’s something you should be doing with all relationships male, female, familial, etc. in your life anyway so give it a read):

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871

Anyway so you ideally never move in with any of them because your live isn’t going to be enhanced by that if anything it’ll make it more difficult to accomplish your personal goals in other areas, BUT if you DO have to move in with your Primary because you want to raise a kid (who’s ideally into other women since most girls these days like to play around with girls a bit so you screen for that, so that you can have other women over and fuck them together instead of going the mongamy route out of convenience because she lives with you), you budget to afford a tiny studio apartment somewhere in the city. This is going to be your “office”. Desk, bed, kitchen, fridge, shower, you name it. It’s an actual apartment not an office. She doesn’t get the key to this place. You have everything you need for a nice long comfortable stay, and conveniently it’s a place to fuck the rest of your harem. If you work from home you can work from this office instead so there’s some mystery about what you do all day, and you can stay late just like a real office. This apartment is important because it’s where you’re able to keep your power despite living with her. When you fight, there’s no sleeping on the couch bullshit, you can just do a freezeout walking out and living in comfort elsewhere for a while until she smartens up because she knows you’re off probably fucking other girls in comfort not crashing on a buddy’s couch or in some seedy hotel. And occasionally you can just make up fake work bullshit and say you have a lot to do tonight so you’ll just crash at the office and just “be gone” giving her the gift of missing you in her bed that night so she’s reminded what life without you is like.

This is pretty much the ideal structure for a dude under 40 (older, even), and even guys who are MGTOWs or MRAs etc instead of PUAs could do this (but studying some pickup will help you GET that harem and give you the confidence to know that you can replace any of them at any time). A lot of them are doing it but they’re not doing it very structured, they’re half-assing it and don’t know the rules for managing fuckbuddies and the logistics of some of this shit. If I ever wrote a book it would probably be about this topic because I think this is where shit is headed naturally. I have more experimentation to do, but so far all of this holds up and plays out how I’ve described it. A pLTR has dread and pre-selection BUILT INTO IT and plays off Hypergamy which we know is a reliable concept. In 2015 a monoLTR removes dread, removes pre-selection and lowers the man’s value while raising the value of EVERYONE AROUND HIM especially his girl until he’s no longer triggering her Hypergamy.

I also put the pLTR system above mLTRs (multiple LTRs where each girl is treated like a Primary/Secondary essentially without as rigid a heirarchal structure) because I think it theoretically breeds less jealousy since each girl knows her place VS all feeling like they almost have the top place and start bringing more drama to get there (like the Joker says “nobody panics when things go “according to plan” even if that plan is horrifying”, we like having rules and heirarchies and knowing our place), and ultimately you’ll want to pick “the best one” to have kids with since most men have that goal.

Kids is where shit gets tricky. I haven’t figured that part out yet. I have some ideas on it but it’s not something I’m concerned about yet because I don’t want kids till I’m in my late 40s (with proper diet and exercise I should be nice and healthy and able to raise kids then, plus I’ll be freezing sperm in my 30s to avoid the Hef fate (from what I’ve pieced together freezing sperm tech didn’t exist when Hef was in his prime and word has it him and Holly tried for kids but couldn’t make it happen, probably because he was shooting blanks at 80, so she had to bail on him because she’s clearly a baby rabies type esp as she hit 30)). I think Blackdragon has experimented with this, Tyler from RSD, Gene Simmons was doing just fine till he went public with his relationship dynamics and brought the social pressure and judgement of the entire world down on him lol There are other examples out there but a lot of them are hush-hush (like Will and Jada) and I actually think it would be possible to keep a lot of this structure and still have kids. But anything that makes it difficult for you to leave her reduces your “hand” in the relationship and you can avoid EVERYTHING especially legal stuff, but kids are the ultimate “NOW you’re locked in” card.

Rollo’s been married for a million years and it seems to be going good, but what’s Rollo’s situation really? He works with sexy promo chicks and is around Vegas party venues. Passive dread game is built into his career despite monogamy. Plus he’s older and his wife wasn’t brought up with the same delusional bullshit that mid-20s girls in 2015 have been brought up with so her brain isn’t going to be wired the same as what we’re seeing out in the marketplace these days. Plus he’s an alpha boss and understands all this red pill shit and has a history as a high-value guy so you know he’s naturally staying attractive and triggering Hypergamy.

But this is 2015. Society and culture have changed and we have to adapt to it. I see men under 30 signing up for marriage who could never wrap their head around the dynamics I’m explaining and ALL think “that won’t happen to ME, that’s just those dumb bar sluts you go for, MY girl is different” like they’re holding onto a unicorn and like my buddies and I haven’t met girls just like theirs in daygame and fucked them just like we fuck bar chicks, even when they’re married.

I’d like to do a bigass “how to” guide on all this someday when I’m older and more experienced, really going down into the nitty gritty of it, but right now I’d say Blackdragon’s books/posts are the best source of info on this topic in general, as well as Patrice O’Neal’s relationship philosophies on YouTube. Any guy under 40 should be at least open to thinking about this. A lot of the reason guys will shut it out is because they think “I can’t even get ONE girlfriend, how am I going to get a HAREM that’s some hollywood fantasy or rich 6-pack shit” but it all comes down to game. Classic Mystery Method was designed to trigger girls falling in LOVE with you not just getting laid.


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“If you combine this with actually going out and approaching girls or even socialising with people. You will naturally find hooking up with them becomes that much more simple – You’ll no longer have the need to want to hook up and will have a natural aloofness of an alpha without being conscious of it. ”

The problem is that when you pitch that plan to these guys:

They are already heavily focused on other purposes outside of women, and have been their whole lives because they don’t know how to interact with women.

Newbies to the game NEED a couple years of hardcore pounding the pavement, esp if they’re hardcase types who really need help, because they need to learn how to socialize in general let ALONE attract women. They need to catch up on all the experience that other people were getting in high-school and college that they missed out on because they were busy being awkward nerds.

Down the road as they reach their 30s, ya, focus on a nice balance, but if you’ve got some 24yo virgin nerd that guy needs MASS APPROACHING AND SOCIALIZING just to undo all the bad wiring he has in his head.

You take some average semi-cool dude with a nice little social circle of buddies that go out and ya, that guy just needs a little effort here and there and he’ll probably be fine.

But take a walk around Comicon or E3 and you’ll realize that 90% of that crowd, to have ANY hope at all of ending up with anything above a 5, needs to hyperfocus on sarging for a few years.

So the advice is great in theory and it holds up for certain guys who already have a decent head start, but there are a LOT of men in our society who are fucking DOOMED if they don’t step up HARD lol


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“If you combine this with actually going out and approaching girls or even socialising with people. You will naturally find hooking up with them becomes that much more simple – You’ll no longer have the need to want to hook up and will have a natural aloofness of an alpha without being conscious of it. ”

The problem is that when you pitch that plan to these guys:

They are already heavily focused on other purposes outside of women, and have been their whole lives because they don’t know how to interact with women.

Newbies to the game NEED a couple years of hardcore pounding the pavement, esp if they’re hardcase types who really need help, because they need to learn how to socialize in general let ALONE attract women. They need to catch up on all the experience that other people were getting in high-school and college that they missed out on because they were busy being awkward nerds.

Down the road as they reach their 30s, ya, focus on a nice balance, but if you’ve got some 24yo virgin nerd that guy needs MASS APPROACHING AND SOCIALIZING just to undo all the bad wiring he has in his head.

You take some average semi-cool dude with a nice little social circle of buddies that go out and ya, that guy just needs a little effort here and there and he’ll probably be fine.

But take a walk around Comicon or E3 and you’ll realize that 90% of that crowd, to have ANY hope at all of ending up with anything above a 5, needs to hyperfocus on sarging for a few years.

So the advice is great in theory and it holds up for certain guys who already have a decent head start, but there are a LOT of men in our society who are fucking DOOMED if they don’t step up HARD lol


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“I’m proof that marriage can still work”

Yes, you’re running the same style of marriage that Rollo is running: constant passive dread-game and preselection.

My argument isn’t that marriage and monogamy CAN’T work, it’s that marriage and monogamy in 2015’s society VERY SEVERELY HANDICAP the chances of it working because by their very nature they eliminate a lot of attractive qualities in the average guy.

Now a guy who’s smart and understands the red pill and goes into a marriage KNOWING “this arrangement, by it’s nature, removes a lot of power from me, so I have to pro-actively ensure that I keep my value by putting myself around other girls, keeping my social skills up, etc.” and who can resist all social pressure to go with the traditional path etc. MIGHT make marriage work.

But 99% of guys aren’t that guy and don’t have the experience with women and holding their frame and abundance and understanding of value/hypergamy etc. to be gambling that way, not with stakes THAT high.

I think under the right conditions traditional marriage and even monogamy CAN work…but for 99% of guys, esp ones who don’t understand red pill shit, and who read what I wrote and went “oh I guess I never thought about it that way”, they aren’t going to be pro-active enough about keeping their value to up to handle it and make it work.

Like if I load a gun with 1 bullet or leave it empty I’ll probably get an empty chamber when I play Russian Roulette. Marriage and agreeing to monogamy for most guys in 2015 is like loading 5 rounds in the gun…you CAN still get that one empty chamber but you should be aware that you’re SEVERELY increasing the odds against you before you sit down to play lol


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“I’m proof that marriage can still work”

Yes, you’re running the same style of marriage that Rollo is running: constant passive dread-game and preselection.

My argument isn’t that marriage and monogamy CAN’T work, it’s that marriage and monogamy in 2015’s society VERY SEVERELY HANDICAP the chances of it working because by their very nature they eliminate a lot of attractive qualities in the average guy.

Now a guy who’s smart and understands the red pill and goes into a marriage KNOWING “this arrangement, by it’s nature, removes a lot of power from me, so I have to pro-actively ensure that I keep my value by putting myself around other girls, keeping my social skills up, etc.” and who can resist all social pressure to go with the traditional path etc. MIGHT make marriage work.

But 99% of guys aren’t that guy and don’t have the experience with women and holding their frame and abundance and understanding of value/hypergamy etc. to be gambling that way, not with stakes THAT high.

I think under the right conditions traditional marriage and even monogamy CAN work…but for 99% of guys, esp ones who don’t understand red pill shit, and who read what I wrote and went “oh I guess I never thought about it that way”, they aren’t going to be pro-active enough about keeping their value to up to handle it and make it work.

Like if I load a gun with 1 bullet or leave it empty I’ll probably get an empty chamber when I play Russian Roulette. Marriage and agreeing to monogamy for most guys in 2015 is like loading 5 rounds in the gun…you CAN still get that one empty chamber but you should be aware that you’re SEVERELY increasing the odds against you before you sit down to play lol


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“But the key thing thats making all of this work is my independence and ambitions. I genuinely don’t need her or any girl that I bring into my life. no girl is above my mission in life.”

Right, I’m assuming by default that guys know their purpose/mission/goals should come ABOVE all the girls, even their Primary. That’s like, the default start, I should’ve mentioned it.

Like Patrice O’Neal says: “She’s 4th place in my life. Behind ME, my CAREER, my MAMA, and then there’s HER. And that’s a good place to be and she knows it. And she knows she better be careful ’cause my fish is 5th place, and I LIKE my fish a LOT.” and “A girl should LOVE you, and you only LIKE her”

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“But the key thing thats making all of this work is my independence and ambitions. I genuinely don’t need her or any girl that I bring into my life. no girl is above my mission in life.”

Right, I’m assuming by default that guys know their purpose/mission/goals should come ABOVE all the girls, even their Primary. That’s like, the default start, I should’ve mentioned it.

Like Patrice O’Neal says: “She’s 4th place in my life. Behind ME, my CAREER, my MAMA, and then there’s HER. And that’s a good place to be and she knows it. And she knows she better be careful ’cause my fish is 5th place, and I LIKE my fish a LOT.” and “A girl should LOVE you, and you only LIKE her”

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“After a while though, you do need to dial it down”

Ya I say focus on pickup in your early to mid 20s and focus on career lifestyle etc. in your late 20s and beyond. The skills you learn in your 20s will help keep you in abundant pussy when you’re making big career/hobby/purpose strides as you approach your SMV peak.

Most guys do it the other way, they focus on career etc. in their 20s then they get to the end and it’s like “ok where’s all the girls I heard would suck my dick if I became a doctor??” and they realize they still have to approach and socialize and learn some pickup but it’s harder to start doing at 30 now that they don’t have a college campus etc around them.


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“After a while though, you do need to dial it down”

Ya I say focus on pickup in your early to mid 20s and focus on career lifestyle etc. in your late 20s and beyond. The skills you learn in your 20s will help keep you in abundant pussy when you’re making big career/hobby/purpose strides as you approach your SMV peak.

Most guys do it the other way, they focus on career etc. in their 20s then they get to the end and it’s like “ok where’s all the girls I heard would suck my dick if I became a doctor??” and they realize they still have to approach and socialize and learn some pickup but it’s harder to start doing at 30 now that they don’t have a college campus etc around them.


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“As a rule I write for Christians”

I’m open to any insights from any source. There are small hints of this all working, in various forms, in various points in history, but to actually look at it all and figure out the commonalities and formulate it into a consistent step by step plan is an ideal goal to me, whatever that final form looks like.

Religion is one of the “social shaming” aspects of why monogamy used to work, I’m not religious myself but I can fully acknowledge that having the fear of going to Hell for doing shit is a huge incentive to not do that shit lol I think people don’t really view marriage as any kind of sacred religious thing these days (outside of heavily religious types), it’s more like a checkmark box like “got a car, got a dog, got married” etc. and just like they’ll junk the car when it doesn’t work right anymore they’ll toss out a marriage no fucks given these days…and the guy is the one who ends up paying out his nose and being denied visitation with his kids and ending up pulling a Robin Williams.

“Polygyny (multiple wives) is the only stable form of marriage available today in the US.”

I think my main issue with what I’ve seen of Polygyny is that once you sign any kind of a contract where the girl knows “it will be difficult for him to leave me”, she has no incentive to stay hot anymore. That Sister Wives guy on TV has hideous wives lol but why wouldn’t he, he can’t LEAVE any of them, esp having houses etc with them?

With a pLTR the girls know you can bail at any time with zero consequence (until you have actual kids and then you have some lock-in, but until that point there’s nothing not even cohabitation laws that can get you), so they have incentive to not slack off.

But our perspective is probably different because I’m guessing for you having kids outside of marriage is a no-no whereas for me it would be optimal. I think a mother/father dynamic is important to raise a healthy kid but I also think a depressed father and a mother who has no attraction for said father is a pretty bleak household too.

“One mom is the stay at home”

How is this determined? I guess if you have like 5 kids there’s enough shit to do raising them that the other wives wouldn’t view her as getting “the easy job” lol VS if there was only one kid or no kids where it’s like “bitch get out there and earn us some money like we have to!” lol

“he can stay aloof and the wives can meet their emotional needs with each other.”

I DO like this dynamic, and I would say that it’s also possible in a pLTR. The ideal Primary would be screened for a bit of bi-curiousity so that ideally you and her can fuck other girls together, possibly even making one of your Secondary’s your guys’ “girlfriend” etc But aside from the Primary, all the girls in the harem should know that fighting with eachother is grounds for expulsion whereas if they play nice then they have some new high-quality BFFs to do girl-talk with while the man gets to go off and do his thing like you’re describing.

So I’d say this dynamic definitely holds up, and would hold up in a proper pLTR too. Mystery Tyler and the other guys experimented with this a bit too, where they’d purposely invite multiple girls out on Day2’s or invite multiple girls over just to see what would happen and they found the same thing where often the girls would get along well and babysit eachother.

“Women compete, and even though he’s made a commitment, they’re still competing with each other for his attention. The only way they can do that is to compete at giving him what he wants. By being sweet, feminine and sexually available.”

As someone who knows about this shit, what do you think went wrong with the guy on that Sister Wives show? Presumably they were off in fat-city before the show. They DO seem to be relatively friendly from the episodes of it I’ve seen (I’m not hardcore into it I just knew a chick who loved the show) but like, there’s something to be said about having 5 ugly wives instead of 5 hot fuckbuddies lol Like what do you think he could have done differently to prevent that? Because he seems to have followed what you’re describing, but he still ended up with 5 behemoths that I don’t think anyone would want all in a bed at once, I don’t think there’s a bed that could support that much weight lol

“The incentives in this structure reward staying in the marriage and penalize leaving. Under the “best interests of the child” rubric, if a woman wants to leave it is unlikely she will get custody of her children because of the issue of separating siblings. That, and the kids don’t want to leave their other moms, and the fact that even after she leaves there is still a stable and intact family. Without custody of the kids, she has to pay child support. So, no cash and prizes for nuking the marriage (the judge says sorry you’re not married so you can’t divorce him). High probability of losing custody of her kids and guaranteed to lose contact with all the other kids she’s bonded to. Have to pay child support. Goes from a high income home to just what she can bring home by herself. Loses her alpha husband. Incentives matter.”

This was so interesting I had to cut and paste the whole paragraph. That’s a really fascinating solution to a lot of the problems. It’s like mutually assured destruction…if the law is insane for one person, just multiply it by enough people that it becomes insane for EVERYONE lol

Definitely food for thought there, with regards to red pill understandings of this stuff. I’ll have to think on this one. Like I say I’m not against marriage/monogamy but in their traditional form in 2015 they are SEVERE handicaps. Solutions like this circumvent that.

I think my big argument against it from what you’re saying would primarily be time investment. With a pLTR situation you are free to come and go as you like and just focus on yourself MGTOW style, and girls are welcome to join or leave whenever they decide they don’t like your rules. Whereas with the polygyny setup you’re all locked in literally till death do you part, so it’s a HUGE undertaking and you’d have to SERIOUSLY screen the girls to make sure you won’t regret having them in your dynamic (like any reality show where they put 5 girls in a house together and there’s INEVITABLY one girl who’s a bitch and it’s all drama for the whole group from there, except if she was a sister wife who snuck under the radar with her crazy, you’d all be stuck with her forever…although there’s 5 of you to hide the body lol)

But then we’re talking about settling down and raising kids, so I admit I’m still viewing it from a single guy who doesn’t want kids yet perspective. I don’t have “kids in a pLTR situ” figured out yet so this is definitely food for thought. I don’t think a lot of guys would logically want to go from no marriage and responsibility to 5 marriages and 5 kids and 10x the responsibility VS being single (it would be like going from playing Mario to playing Starcraft having to suddenly micromanage an army), so I’d still like to figure out something that would be feasable for the average guy who wants to ultimately have just one mom one dad and 1 or 2 kids in a stable home. Something like that might simply be keeping Secondaries on the side or having agreements (and screening for if she’s cool with it) where if you’re out of town on business you can play around but in your city you be monogamous etc. The main thing is keeping that dread/preselection in the back of her mind even if you don’t act on it often.

“And, getting them all naked together is beneficial. It wrecks their attempts at creating a pecking order and because they’re always competing with each other (they can’t help it) the husband gets some really wild sex as they try to outdo each other.”

Right, again this is something I can see applying to a pLTR situation. Having nights where all the girls are invited over together or out for drinks etc. IDEALLY it would be great if they all became friends but realistically I think keeping them separated would be easier for most average guys until they developed enough frame control to manage having multiple girls with them at once, but something to work towards and probably something I’ll be playing with in the next few years because I’m curious about the dynamics of making that work. Like I know stuff about having the more extroverted girl set the tone leading by example and that loosens the other girls up to follow her lead etc. which is stuff I’ll be trying more. But just getting them in the same room together and getting past that awkward first bit where they realize what’s going on will be new (fun!) territory for me lol

“The women know that calling 911 for a DV call will probably result in the other wives telling the cops she’s lying.”

Another interesting point. Is it more work/effort than placing a bunch of surveilance cameras around the house? I don’t know lol but the logic of what you’re saying makes sense. One of my big worries about having kids these days, with the insanely cavalier attitude girls have toward false accusations here in 2015, is at ANY point when your wife has a bad day she can end your life basically, career, freedom, etc. with a lie. And if she’s willing to do that, she’s the one teaching your kids, along with mainstream media, so next thing you know you’ve got your own kid who has NO IDEA what the consequences are, telling a teacher at school you did something to him/her because you took away their iPhone. Like, that shit is scary. I can’t guarantee multiple people in my household will never be pissed off at me in like 50 years lol

“Unlike a monogamous marriage, discipline can be enforced in a passive manner through the choice of who he interacts with.”

Ya I agree with a lot of what you said, thanks for taking the time to share. Very interesting stuff. A bit of a super-nuke solution to killing a fly but still a lot of good points to think about lol


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“As a rule I write for Christians”

I’m open to any insights from any source. There are small hints of this all working, in various forms, in various points in history, but to actually look at it all and figure out the commonalities and formulate it into a consistent step by step plan is an ideal goal to me, whatever that final form looks like.

Religion is one of the “social shaming” aspects of why monogamy used to work, I’m not religious myself but I can fully acknowledge that having the fear of going to Hell for doing shit is a huge incentive to not do that shit lol I think people don’t really view marriage as any kind of sacred religious thing these days (outside of heavily religious types), it’s more like a checkmark box like “got a car, got a dog, got married” etc. and just like they’ll junk the car when it doesn’t work right anymore they’ll toss out a marriage no fucks given these days…and the guy is the one who ends up paying out his nose and being denied visitation with his kids and ending up pulling a Robin Williams.

“Polygyny (multiple wives) is the only stable form of marriage available today in the US.”

I think my main issue with what I’ve seen of Polygyny is that once you sign any kind of a contract where the girl knows “it will be difficult for him to leave me”, she has no incentive to stay hot anymore. That Sister Wives guy on TV has hideous wives lol but why wouldn’t he, he can’t LEAVE any of them, esp having houses etc with them?

With a pLTR the girls know you can bail at any time with zero consequence (until you have actual kids and then you have some lock-in, but until that point there’s nothing not even cohabitation laws that can get you), so they have incentive to not slack off.

But our perspective is probably different because I’m guessing for you having kids outside of marriage is a no-no whereas for me it would be optimal. I think a mother/father dynamic is important to raise a healthy kid but I also think a depressed father and a mother who has no attraction for said father is a pretty bleak household too.

“One mom is the stay at home”

How is this determined? I guess if you have like 5 kids there’s enough shit to do raising them that the other wives wouldn’t view her as getting “the easy job” lol VS if there was only one kid or no kids where it’s like “bitch get out there and earn us some money like we have to!” lol

“he can stay aloof and the wives can meet their emotional needs with each other.”

I DO like this dynamic, and I would say that it’s also possible in a pLTR. The ideal Primary would be screened for a bit of bi-curiousity so that ideally you and her can fuck other girls together, possibly even making one of your Secondary’s your guys’ “girlfriend” etc But aside from the Primary, all the girls in the harem should know that fighting with eachother is grounds for expulsion whereas if they play nice then they have some new high-quality BFFs to do girl-talk with while the man gets to go off and do his thing like you’re describing.

So I’d say this dynamic definitely holds up, and would hold up in a proper pLTR too. Mystery Tyler and the other guys experimented with this a bit too, where they’d purposely invite multiple girls out on Day2’s or invite multiple girls over just to see what would happen and they found the same thing where often the girls would get along well and babysit eachother.

“Women compete, and even though he’s made a commitment, they’re still competing with each other for his attention. The only way they can do that is to compete at giving him what he wants. By being sweet, feminine and sexually available.”

As someone who knows about this shit, what do you think went wrong with the guy on that Sister Wives show? Presumably they were off in fat-city before the show. They DO seem to be relatively friendly from the episodes of it I’ve seen (I’m not hardcore into it I just knew a chick who loved the show) but like, there’s something to be said about having 5 ugly wives instead of 5 hot fuckbuddies lol Like what do you think he could have done differently to prevent that? Because he seems to have followed what you’re describing, but he still ended up with 5 behemoths that I don’t think anyone would want all in a bed at once, I don’t think there’s a bed that could support that much weight lol

“The incentives in this structure reward staying in the marriage and penalize leaving. Under the “best interests of the child” rubric, if a woman wants to leave it is unlikely she will get custody of her children because of the issue of separating siblings. That, and the kids don’t want to leave their other moms, and the fact that even after she leaves there is still a stable and intact family. Without custody of the kids, she has to pay child support. So, no cash and prizes for nuking the marriage (the judge says sorry you’re not married so you can’t divorce him). High probability of losing custody of her kids and guaranteed to lose contact with all the other kids she’s bonded to. Have to pay child support. Goes from a high income home to just what she can bring home by herself. Loses her alpha husband. Incentives matter.”

This was so interesting I had to cut and paste the whole paragraph. That’s a really fascinating solution to a lot of the problems. It’s like mutually assured destruction…if the law is insane for one person, just multiply it by enough people that it becomes insane for EVERYONE lol

Definitely food for thought there, with regards to red pill understandings of this stuff. I’ll have to think on this one. Like I say I’m not against marriage/monogamy but in their traditional form in 2015 they are SEVERE handicaps. Solutions like this circumvent that.

I think my big argument against it from what you’re saying would primarily be time investment. With a pLTR situation you are free to come and go as you like and just focus on yourself MGTOW style, and girls are welcome to join or leave whenever they decide they don’t like your rules. Whereas with the polygyny setup you’re all locked in literally till death do you part, so it’s a HUGE undertaking and you’d have to SERIOUSLY screen the girls to make sure you won’t regret having them in your dynamic (like any reality show where they put 5 girls in a house together and there’s INEVITABLY one girl who’s a bitch and it’s all drama for the whole group from there, except if she was a sister wife who snuck under the radar with her crazy, you’d all be stuck with her forever…although there’s 5 of you to hide the body lol)

But then we’re talking about settling down and raising kids, so I admit I’m still viewing it from a single guy who doesn’t want kids yet perspective. I don’t have “kids in a pLTR situ” figured out yet so this is definitely food for thought. I don’t think a lot of guys would logically want to go from no marriage and responsibility to 5 marriages and 5 kids and 10x the responsibility VS being single (it would be like going from playing Mario to playing Starcraft having to suddenly micromanage an army), so I’d still like to figure out something that would be feasable for the average guy who wants to ultimately have just one mom one dad and 1 or 2 kids in a stable home. Something like that might simply be keeping Secondaries on the side or having agreements (and screening for if she’s cool with it) where if you’re out of town on business you can play around but in your city you be monogamous etc. The main thing is keeping that dread/preselection in the back of her mind even if you don’t act on it often.

“And, getting them all naked together is beneficial. It wrecks their attempts at creating a pecking order and because they’re always competing with each other (they can’t help it) the husband gets some really wild sex as they try to outdo each other.”

Right, again this is something I can see applying to a pLTR situation. Having nights where all the girls are invited over together or out for drinks etc. IDEALLY it would be great if they all became friends but realistically I think keeping them separated would be easier for most average guys until they developed enough frame control to manage having multiple girls with them at once, but something to work towards and probably something I’ll be playing with in the next few years because I’m curious about the dynamics of making that work. Like I know stuff about having the more extroverted girl set the tone leading by example and that loosens the other girls up to follow her lead etc. which is stuff I’ll be trying more. But just getting them in the same room together and getting past that awkward first bit where they realize what’s going on will be new (fun!) territory for me lol

“The women know that calling 911 for a DV call will probably result in the other wives telling the cops she’s lying.”

Another interesting point. Is it more work/effort than placing a bunch of surveilance cameras around the house? I don’t know lol but the logic of what you’re saying makes sense. One of my big worries about having kids these days, with the insanely cavalier attitude girls have toward false accusations here in 2015, is at ANY point when your wife has a bad day she can end your life basically, career, freedom, etc. with a lie. And if she’s willing to do that, she’s the one teaching your kids, along with mainstream media, so next thing you know you’ve got your own kid who has NO IDEA what the consequences are, telling a teacher at school you did something to him/her because you took away their iPhone. Like, that shit is scary. I can’t guarantee multiple people in my household will never be pissed off at me in like 50 years lol

“Unlike a monogamous marriage, discipline can be enforced in a passive manner through the choice of who he interacts with.”

Ya I agree with a lot of what you said, thanks for taking the time to share. Very interesting stuff. A bit of a super-nuke solution to killing a fly but still a lot of good points to think about lol


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“FWIW, I don’t ‘run’ passive dread Game on Mrs. T.”

“My natural response to unsolicited, third-party, soft dread is to subtly recognize it and casually emphasize it. It fits nicely as a part of Amused Mastery.”

Lol you can call it “eating a sandwich while doing a backflip” if you want but this is running passive game whether you do it naturally or subconsciously just like a natural touching a girl is still “kino’ing a girl”.

What I mean primarily is that you’ve chosen a career/lifestyle where you don’t have to actively dread-game her, your career/lifestyle does that FOR you. I suspect that if you had no red pill knowledge and you worked in, say, accounting at some small office full of sausage and you let yourself get 300lbs and you live in Scranton Pennsylvania, you would have a much harder time having the same successful long-term marriage and pre-work-trip sex lol

So you are constantly “running” dread-game. Or she is constantly “experiencing” dread-game, or however you want to word it: the point is you are avoiding the traps of traditional monogamy/marriage that most men fall into because you made smart life decisions.


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@Rollo
“FWIW, I don’t ‘run’ passive dread Game on Mrs. T.”

“My natural response to unsolicited, third-party, soft dread is to subtly recognize it and casually emphasize it. It fits nicely as a part of Amused Mastery.”

Lol you can call it “eating a sandwich while doing a backflip” if you want but this is running passive game whether you do it naturally or subconsciously just like a natural touching a girl is still “kino’ing a girl”.

What I mean primarily is that you’ve chosen a career/lifestyle where you don’t have to actively dread-game her, your career/lifestyle does that FOR you. I suspect that if you had no red pill knowledge and you worked in, say, accounting at some small office full of sausage and you let yourself get 300lbs and you live in Scranton Pennsylvania, you would have a much harder time having the same successful long-term marriage and pre-work-trip sex lol

So you are constantly “running” dread-game. Or she is constantly “experiencing” dread-game, or however you want to word it: the point is you are avoiding the traps of traditional monogamy/marriage that most men fall into because you made smart life decisions.


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@theasdgamer
“She was the one that the men all wanted to see in a bikini. Mrs. Gamer is an over 60 broad with a good body (if she lost 15 lbs. it would be a great body) and a face that is still not bad looking.”

“However, not having negative social skills is probably adequate to get female attention if you have subcomms and will isolate and instigate”

Well ya, if you’re subcomming high value and isolating and instigating and escalating you can do fine. You can pick up a girl without saying a word if you have that shit down. But most guys don’t have good subcomms or give themselves permission to do any of that other shit lol So they need mass socializing experience till they’re comfortable enough to do that shit.

Like you’re basically saying “just sitting in a car is probably adequate to get to your destination if you’re pressing on the gas pedal and steering the wheel and looking out the window.”

@Sun Wukong
“You get the same disincentives whether in a marriage or just cohabitation”

Right, the underlying principles is “are you further “locked-in” or not?”. Marriage is a MASSIVE lock-in, a kid is the ULTIMATE lock-in, cohabitation is a PRETTY BIG lock-in (it would be inconvenient for you to breakup VS if you had your own place and simply stopped inviting her over).

“In marriage however your Dread Game can be called out as a bluff, particularly with how the marriage laws are 100% against you as the man these days.”

Right this is the main thing. She’s INCENTIVIZED by all of society to divorce you. In fact I’m surprised girls aren’t lining up to marry a beta at 21, divorce him at 25 when they can cash in, and find an alpha, or do that more than once. I’d do it if the laws were in my favor for it lol Never have to work a day in my life!

“She can and will bail for cash and prizes if she really believes your threat and she feels she can do better.”

And she thinks she CAN do better because her brain is being programmed from childhood that she’s gorgeous no matter what and no matter how great a guy she’s with she can get the super alpha 6-pack Christian Grey doctor provider combo mythical superman who will be madly in love and monogamous to her because ALL OF SOCIETY is programming this into her her ENTIRE LIFE.

Until she hits the wall and finds out it’s not true and then is a mess. Even then, if she hits the wall while in a monogamous marriage, she’s not going to find out that the doctors etc want her at BEST for a pump ‘n dump, because she’s not allowed to talk to them or date them or anything and they aren’t going to volunteer that information. It’s only once she gets so curious and delusional that she bails on a solid marriage, that she finds out those alphas MIGHT fuck her if she hasn’t let herself go but they can also fuck hot 23yo’s so why would they settle with her old sagging ass and deteriorating eggs and life-baggage?

“But a guy she hasn’t locked down legally who’s been smart and kept his options open? His Dread Game is no joke. She’s still competing with the rest of the SMP, and she knows it.”

Exactly.

“And even if she calls his bluff, his only consequences are figuring out how to break it to her that she’s moving out. (You did keep her off the lease, right?)”

lol exactly. Like Patrice says “you wanna cheat on me, that’s fine, you can come back but you’ll be demoted. No more key to my place no more say in my life, you go back to being one of of those other bitches to me and you don’t wanna be there. But if I fuck around on you, what are you gonna do?? Walk out and give me MORE FREE TIME to fuck other hotter girls?? OH NO!!!!” lol

“Granted, I don’t advocate any sort of commitment by a high value male these days”

I don’t either, especially no one under 30 BUT:

1) The reality is some guys have the goal of kids and a family and such. Those goals are trickier now so I’d like to find solutions that would work for them using red pill knowledge and game to increase their odds but like, I don’t think everyone is going to just give up on the idea of having kids in a stable mother/father household and I don’t think it would be good for society if we DID all give that up.

and 2) Every guy has to go through a breakup or two before he fully understands oneitis and Hypergamy and how a girl can 180 on you and Alpha Widows and all that shit that’s important to understand and learn when you’re young and the consequences are low, like he has to learn first-hand that the girls he thinks are unicorns are NOT unicorns and there’s no such thing so he lets go of that dream…especially if he DOES want kids someday.

Most guys have their marriage/monoLTR fail and they blame the GIRL. They say SHE wasn’t the unicorn I thought she was, but if I find the RIGHT GIRL (like everyone tells him after the breakup that’s what he needs to look for) THEN it’ll work and I’ll have the Disney ending! 3 divorces later they’re STILL getting engaged to a 4th girl thinking “this’ll be the one that works out, THIS girl is different!!”

At no point do they stop to consider that the very STRUCTURE of marriage/monoLTRs is what’s broken and is inherently self-destructing in 2015 (again in the past society was such that it worked but this is 2015).

@Excalibur
“@Rollo: Does your wife and your daughter know about your blog and books, and do they read them?

And how fucking TERRIFYING is THIS video as a father who understands red pill shit? (the last one where they wear masks is the best, that’s how I would want to handle it but holy shit this even being possible is scary and makes me not want to try to raise a kid…there are TONS of underage chicks online who flirt with older guys like this):

Would love some kind of parenting book/articles down the road someday, as a red pill guy who’s pulled off marriage and raising a (presumably sane) daughter…like how the fuck do we raise a daughter in this insane culture that’s trying to get her to destroy herself from all angles thanks to technology/media?


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@theasdgamer
“She was the one that the men all wanted to see in a bikini. Mrs. Gamer is an over 60 broad with a good body (if she lost 15 lbs. it would be a great body) and a face that is still not bad looking.”

“However, not having negative social skills is probably adequate to get female attention if you have subcomms and will isolate and instigate”

Well ya, if you’re subcomming high value and isolating and instigating and escalating you can do fine. You can pick up a girl without saying a word if you have that shit down. But most guys don’t have good subcomms or give themselves permission to do any of that other shit lol So they need mass socializing experience till they’re comfortable enough to do that shit.

Like you’re basically saying “just sitting in a car is probably adequate to get to your destination if you’re pressing on the gas pedal and steering the wheel and looking out the window.”

@Sun Wukong
“You get the same disincentives whether in a marriage or just cohabitation”

Right, the underlying principles is “are you further “locked-in” or not?”. Marriage is a MASSIVE lock-in, a kid is the ULTIMATE lock-in, cohabitation is a PRETTY BIG lock-in (it would be inconvenient for you to breakup VS if you had your own place and simply stopped inviting her over).

“In marriage however your Dread Game can be called out as a bluff, particularly with how the marriage laws are 100% against you as the man these days.”

Right this is the main thing. She’s INCENTIVIZED by all of society to divorce you. In fact I’m surprised girls aren’t lining up to marry a beta at 21, divorce him at 25 when they can cash in, and find an alpha, or do that more than once. I’d do it if the laws were in my favor for it lol Never have to work a day in my life!

“She can and will bail for cash and prizes if she really believes your threat and she feels she can do better.”

And she thinks she CAN do better because her brain is being programmed from childhood that she’s gorgeous no matter what and no matter how great a guy she’s with she can get the super alpha 6-pack Christian Grey doctor provider combo mythical superman who will be madly in love and monogamous to her because ALL OF SOCIETY is programming this into her her ENTIRE LIFE.

Until she hits the wall and finds out it’s not true and then is a mess. Even then, if she hits the wall while in a monogamous marriage, she’s not going to find out that the doctors etc want her at BEST for a pump ‘n dump, because she’s not allowed to talk to them or date them or anything and they aren’t going to volunteer that information. It’s only once she gets so curious and delusional that she bails on a solid marriage, that she finds out those alphas MIGHT fuck her if she hasn’t let herself go but they can also fuck hot 23yo’s so why would they settle with her old sagging ass and deteriorating eggs and life-baggage?

“But a guy she hasn’t locked down legally who’s been smart and kept his options open? His Dread Game is no joke. She’s still competing with the rest of the SMP, and she knows it.”

Exactly.

“And even if she calls his bluff, his only consequences are figuring out how to break it to her that she’s moving out. (You did keep her off the lease, right?)”

lol exactly. Like Patrice says “you wanna cheat on me, that’s fine, you can come back but you’ll be demoted. No more key to my place no more say in my life, you go back to being one of of those other bitches to me and you don’t wanna be there. But if I fuck around on you, what are you gonna do?? Walk out and give me MORE FREE TIME to fuck other hotter girls?? OH NO!!!!” lol

“Granted, I don’t advocate any sort of commitment by a high value male these days”

I don’t either, especially no one under 30 BUT:

1) The reality is some guys have the goal of kids and a family and such. Those goals are trickier now so I’d like to find solutions that would work for them using red pill knowledge and game to increase their odds but like, I don’t think everyone is going to just give up on the idea of having kids in a stable mother/father household and I don’t think it would be good for society if we DID all give that up.

and 2) Every guy has to go through a breakup or two before he fully understands oneitis and Hypergamy and how a girl can 180 on you and Alpha Widows and all that shit that’s important to understand and learn when you’re young and the consequences are low, like he has to learn first-hand that the girls he thinks are unicorns are NOT unicorns and there’s no such thing so he lets go of that dream…especially if he DOES want kids someday.

Most guys have their marriage/monoLTR fail and they blame the GIRL. They say SHE wasn’t the unicorn I thought she was, but if I find the RIGHT GIRL (like everyone tells him after the breakup that’s what he needs to look for) THEN it’ll work and I’ll have the Disney ending! 3 divorces later they’re STILL getting engaged to a 4th girl thinking “this’ll be the one that works out, THIS girl is different!!”

At no point do they stop to consider that the very STRUCTURE of marriage/monoLTRs is what’s broken and is inherently self-destructing in 2015 (again in the past society was such that it worked but this is 2015).

@Excalibur
“@Rollo: Does your wife and your daughter know about your blog and books, and do they read them?

And how fucking TERRIFYING is THIS video as a father who understands red pill shit? (the last one where they wear masks is the best, that’s how I would want to handle it but holy shit this even being possible is scary and makes me not want to try to raise a kid…there are TONS of underage chicks online who flirt with older guys like this):

Would love some kind of parenting book/articles down the road someday, as a red pill guy who’s pulled off marriage and raising a (presumably sane) daughter…like how the fuck do we raise a daughter in this insane culture that’s trying to get her to destroy herself from all angles thanks to technology/media?


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@Rollo
“@YaReally, that’s why I don’t call it “running” dread Game. It’s a constant, ambient, subroutine running in the background for me.”

lol ya, just a definition difference is all. You’re like a guy who spun a top and he’s able to sit back and let it spin by its own accord, VS a guy who’s constantly rotating the top manually…but you still had to, at some point, set that top in motion.

“And you’re right, it’s the result of the life choices and style I’ve cultivated for the past 25 years or so. In a way I’ve positioned myself, career-wise, creatively, personally, where I can only maintain it by becoming and sustaining an internalized Alpha mental point of origin.”

This is the ULTIMATE setup. Like, this is the ideal and what I’m working towards. You’re essentially forced to stay maintain your high-value. If I could just magically put every guy on a specific track it would be the track that leads them to this sort of setup where everything is linked together and feeds into itself to keep the top spinning.

Unfortunately Bob the accountant in Wisconson who takes the job pushing paper in a dreary office because it pays slightly more than the bartending job and more money will make his future wife happier, is more common.

In the future 10, 20+ years from now it would be amazing to see young boys hitting their teens and being fed this information and building lifestyles from the start with this end goal in mind. And we’ll get there once Roosh makes his CNN appearance! …lol In all seriousness though, I think we’re progressing just fine at the pace we are. The difference in comment sections on videos/articles now compared to 10 years ago is astronomical, in terms of mass red pill thinking. It brings a smile to my face and a tear to my eye to see so many men waking up to the problems around them.

But now we need to feed them step by step solutions that also gel with their ultimate Disney goal of a doting hot wife who fucks them, 2.5 kids, and a white pickett fence. Figure out how to give them the best odds possible to achieve that. Because pickup is great but a lot of guys will reject it because they want a wife and kids not “banging random bar sluts” so it’s like, PUA will get passed over by them since it doesn’t relate to their value system and goals. Same with MRA it’s all just bitter angry guys and Bob with his unicorn girlfriend thinks they all just picked the wrong girl they should’ve gotten a special girl like he found boy did he luck out!!

So down the road I’d like there to be some kind of middle ground where it’s like “look, you can GET married and have kids, but if you DO these are the risks and here’s a step by step guide to how to neutralize or minimize a lot of them and some things you can do to help prevent them from occurring” where it isn’t outright rejected by guys who don’t study TRP/PUA/MRA/etc hardcore.

“It’s now at the point where I don’t even consciously consider it, thus it’s a passive subroutine for me.”

Right, this is the ideal. And a lot of stuff I do now is the same for me, just because I’ve done it for so long…but I’m still always aware of it and can break down the dynamics of it all. To me you were veering into territory where Naturals go where they say “just be yourself man” and they gloss over all the little dynamics they’re actually running that are 100% by the books pickup but they don’t think they’re running game because they’re doing it passively/subconsciously/lifestylely(?? lol)


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@Rollo
“@YaReally, that’s why I don’t call it “running” dread Game. It’s a constant, ambient, subroutine running in the background for me.”

lol ya, just a definition difference is all. You’re like a guy who spun a top and he’s able to sit back and let it spin by its own accord, VS a guy who’s constantly rotating the top manually…but you still had to, at some point, set that top in motion.

“And you’re right, it’s the result of the life choices and style I’ve cultivated for the past 25 years or so. In a way I’ve positioned myself, career-wise, creatively, personally, where I can only maintain it by becoming and sustaining an internalized Alpha mental point of origin.”

This is the ULTIMATE setup. Like, this is the ideal and what I’m working towards. You’re essentially forced to stay maintain your high-value. If I could just magically put every guy on a specific track it would be the track that leads them to this sort of setup where everything is linked together and feeds into itself to keep the top spinning.

Unfortunately Bob the accountant in Wisconson who takes the job pushing paper in a dreary office because it pays slightly more than the bartending job and more money will make his future wife happier, is more common.

In the future 10, 20+ years from now it would be amazing to see young boys hitting their teens and being fed this information and building lifestyles from the start with this end goal in mind. And we’ll get there once Roosh makes his CNN appearance! …lol In all seriousness though, I think we’re progressing just fine at the pace we are. The difference in comment sections on videos/articles now compared to 10 years ago is astronomical, in terms of mass red pill thinking. It brings a smile to my face and a tear to my eye to see so many men waking up to the problems around them.

But now we need to feed them step by step solutions that also gel with their ultimate Disney goal of a doting hot wife who fucks them, 2.5 kids, and a white pickett fence. Figure out how to give them the best odds possible to achieve that. Because pickup is great but a lot of guys will reject it because they want a wife and kids not “banging random bar sluts” so it’s like, PUA will get passed over by them since it doesn’t relate to their value system and goals. Same with MRA it’s all just bitter angry guys and Bob with his unicorn girlfriend thinks they all just picked the wrong girl they should’ve gotten a special girl like he found boy did he luck out!!

So down the road I’d like there to be some kind of middle ground where it’s like “look, you can GET married and have kids, but if you DO these are the risks and here’s a step by step guide to how to neutralize or minimize a lot of them and some things you can do to help prevent them from occurring” where it isn’t outright rejected by guys who don’t study TRP/PUA/MRA/etc hardcore.

“It’s now at the point where I don’t even consciously consider it, thus it’s a passive subroutine for me.”

Right, this is the ideal. And a lot of stuff I do now is the same for me, just because I’ve done it for so long…but I’m still always aware of it and can break down the dynamics of it all. To me you were veering into territory where Naturals go where they say “just be yourself man” and they gloss over all the little dynamics they’re actually running that are 100% by the books pickup but they don’t think they’re running game because they’re doing it passively/subconsciously/lifestylely(?? lol)


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lol’ing hard at Maddy’s contribution. That shit should be frontpaged on every blog it would convert men by the thousands to the red pill.

Anyway in somehow even funnier news, here’s a plot twist I didn’t see coming…credit where it’s due, this is an amazing play:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49758.html

(terrible for the manosphere etc but in terms of PC-warfare tactics this is fantastic)


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lol’ing hard at Maddy’s contribution. That shit should be frontpaged on every blog it would convert men by the thousands to the red pill.

Anyway in somehow even funnier news, here’s a plot twist I didn’t see coming…credit where it’s due, this is an amazing play:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49758.html

(terrible for the manosphere etc but in terms of PC-warfare tactics this is fantastic)


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@Softek

The comments in the thread are awesome everyone is just going with it and we all know Feminists have no sarcasm detectors. This may go down as one of the most epic troll jobs VS feminists ever.

Of course now the red pill will be associated in the mainstream with Islam. I’m sure THAT will help recruit men who need help.


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@Softek

The comments in the thread are awesome everyone is just going with it and we all know Feminists have no sarcasm detectors. This may go down as one of the most epic troll jobs VS feminists ever.

Of course now the red pill will be associated in the mainstream with Islam. I’m sure THAT will help recruit men who need help.


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@Rollo
“It won’t be a feminist that shoots him and half his audience.”

My thinking too. As much as I love the troll job, this could theoretically lead to some actual race/religion-war type consequences (on both sides) from people who don’t know he’s trolling.

I can’t even guess how this is going to pan out. This is so far outside of the box.


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@Rollo
“It won’t be a feminist that shoots him and half his audience.”

My thinking too. As much as I love the troll job, this could theoretically lead to some actual race/religion-war type consequences (on both sides) from people who don’t know he’s trolling.

I can’t even guess how this is going to pan out. This is so far outside of the box.


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…just so we’re clear: you guys understand that Roosh is 100% just trolling, right? The whole thread and his Twitter etc. has everyone joining in playing along with what he’s doing (using real and fake accounts) because they know the feminists are watching his forum and can’t pick up on sarcasm and trolling and disinformation (some of them are still legitimately convinced the talk in Montreal didn’t actually happen because someone posted a disinformation story about how sad it was that the talk was cancelled and the retarded feminists are like “WHY WOULD SOMEONE WRITE THAT IF IT WASN’T TRUE??”)

He’s not ACTUALLY praying at mosques and converting to Islam and trying to spread the word of the Koran or anything. He is 100% just trolling them with their own overly-PC tactics. There’s a point in that video where he almost cracks a smile and all the “we will rise to protect you brother allah akbar” stuff is just his followers playing along to see how the feminists/media/politicians react to this move.

It’s completely 180’ing everything that’s happened so far and all their plans because before they were throwing beer and shouting “how dare you come to Canada??” to some sleazy rape-fiend PUA…NOW that video shows white Canadian women and men throwing beer and shouting “how dare you come to Canada??” to a Muslim victim. I don’t like Roosh but this is a brilliant troll and the fact that he kept a straight face through that video (most of it, he almost cracks a smile at one point) and his forum thread has everyone playing along talking about “praise allah” and shit is like, epic troll level 9000.

I hate being the guy that has to spell it out but from the responses here I’m not entirely sure some of you guys realize what he’s doing and actually think he’s serious.


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…just so we’re clear: you guys understand that Roosh is 100% just trolling, right? The whole thread and his Twitter etc. has everyone joining in playing along with what he’s doing (using real and fake accounts) because they know the feminists are watching his forum and can’t pick up on sarcasm and trolling and disinformation (some of them are still legitimately convinced the talk in Montreal didn’t actually happen because someone posted a disinformation story about how sad it was that the talk was cancelled and the retarded feminists are like “WHY WOULD SOMEONE WRITE THAT IF IT WASN’T TRUE??”)

He’s not ACTUALLY praying at mosques and converting to Islam and trying to spread the word of the Koran or anything. He is 100% just trolling them with their own overly-PC tactics. There’s a point in that video where he almost cracks a smile and all the “we will rise to protect you brother allah akbar” stuff is just his followers playing along to see how the feminists/media/politicians react to this move.

It’s completely 180’ing everything that’s happened so far and all their plans because before they were throwing beer and shouting “how dare you come to Canada??” to some sleazy rape-fiend PUA…NOW that video shows white Canadian women and men throwing beer and shouting “how dare you come to Canada??” to a Muslim victim. I don’t like Roosh but this is a brilliant troll and the fact that he kept a straight face through that video (most of it, he almost cracks a smile at one point) and his forum thread has everyone playing along talking about “praise allah” and shit is like, epic troll level 9000.

I hate being the guy that has to spell it out but from the responses here I’m not entirely sure some of you guys realize what he’s doing and actually think he’s serious.


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@The Simon
oLTR = Open LTR (both of you can fuck other people, with some rules etc so you both come back to eachother and don’t ditch eachother for the other people or prioritize them etc, could involve Swinging together or just separately having other people on the side), pLTR = Primary LTR like I said in the post.

@The Diplomat
Glad you get some value out of my writing. I’m no cult leader but every dude I can help is another step toward a better future lol I’m mostly here to add field-tested perspectives to the conversations…a lot of guys keyboard theorize about how shit would or should work but that’s just mental masturbation if it doesn’t hold up in-field.

@Paul
That dynamic is legit, and if it’s happening to you (ie – you’re a super high-value dude and you’re finding girls will auto-reject you because they don’t think they deserve you) that’s where you calibrate and either lower your own value to her and/or raise her value. So if you’re a fancy lawyer you might want to dress down in a t-shirt at the bar instead of your suit, or when you talk about being a rocket scientist you may want to add “it sounds fancy but really it’s just code for being a big fucking nerd who does math all day lol” Like you’re taking the high-value edge off so that she feels more like you’re attainable. At the same time you can also raise her value by qualifying her like “oh you do such and such? That’s interesting, I had a friend who was into such and such. That’s rare these days you must bla bla” so you’re raising HER value like she’s impressed you with something (besides her looks) so she feels like “oh maybe I DO deserve this guy if he sees me that way”.

@Blaximus
“The discussion here is supposed to be RP oriented, and this shit pops up.”

You could just not respond so he has no one to engage with. Now we have to scroll past your huge reply and then his like 4+ replies to that as he tries to goad you into taking up the whole next page of this comment section with shit no one wants to read lol Just ignore it. Do not feed the trolls and all that.

@Vitriol
“However, he hasn’t really had much original thinking lately”

I doubt he’s going out much. He’s old and clearly tired of the game and looking for a way to make it sustainable without having to write Bang guides because he’s not out on poon-slaying adventures like in his 20s. CH has pretty much turned into a political/race blog with like 10 articles in a row these days which is probably for similar reasons. It’s difficult to really come up with new perspectives and insights if you aren’t regularly out and about around hot young chicks. Rollo still comes up with interesting stuff because he’s around hot young chicks for work and has a daughter who presumably has friends all in the age range where chick-brain dynamics are in full-swing and he’s explaining the Why behind a lot of How so there are a lot of gaps to fill in and explain which he’s good at.

Roosh’s “rape should be legalized” article was clever though, he actually makes a good point in terms of logic lol He’s probably going to end up just putting out like one big clever piece/event a year from here on.

@Jay Will
“Quote somebody who sounded like they thought it was legit.”

This guy for one: “So what to do when my white friends don’t join the battle? , he enlisted his fellow passionate Muslims (it use to be the other way around).”

He’s not ACTUALLY enlisting the support of his fellow passionate Muslims. He doesn’t actually expect Muslims to come run to his rescue supporting his cause. He’s not holding the speech in a mosque. He’s just trolling. And he’s noticed that there’s a connection between how religions handled the male/female dynamic (men have authority, women submit to them) and the stability of those societies compared to now, a conclusion that’s obvious to ANYONE and doesn’t mean he’s “returning to his Islamic roots as a man of his exact age is predicted to do”. Religions are generally structured in a way that helps keep women in check and helps keep men high-value to them etc. Realizing that obvious logic doesn’t mean you’re suddenly studying the Koran and trying to preach Muslim faith to everyone and appealing to your Muslim brotherhood for support lol

And it’s working, suddenly the news has gotten SUPER fuckin quiet about him, where are CNN and CBC and everyone now that he’s turned it into a race/culture issue? lol And the feminists are backtracking, now suddenly they were never going to chase after his event or anything oh no no they’re just having a random demonstration that has nothing to do with this Islamist man’s event lol:

When Roosh was just being a dumbfuck I was like “okay this guy is fucking over a lot of dudes with this…” But now he’s taken it SO far that it’s become a social experiment of taking on feminists/SJWs/MSM that I actually want to see the end result of. He’s gone so far across the line into absurdity that it’s become interesting again….it’s still not going to help men and will probably fuck a lot of them over, but it’s trying an interesting new tactic against the social media witch hunt mobs that have been gaining FAR too much power over the past few years so he IS making new waves on that front. Other people have played the race/religion card with them before to escape their wrath, but Roosh is actively doing it as a conscious planned trolling strategy VS ACTUALLY thinking he’s being persecuted for his race/religion, and his entire following is on-board with it and playing it up. That’s exploring new territory in eDrama and mob-defense.

I wish he wasn’t assosciated with the red pill as he’s doing this, but you can’t always get what you want lol


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@The Simon
oLTR = Open LTR (both of you can fuck other people, with some rules etc so you both come back to eachother and don’t ditch eachother for the other people or prioritize them etc, could involve Swinging together or just separately having other people on the side), pLTR = Primary LTR like I said in the post.

@The Diplomat
Glad you get some value out of my writing. I’m no cult leader but every dude I can help is another step toward a better future lol I’m mostly here to add field-tested perspectives to the conversations…a lot of guys keyboard theorize about how shit would or should work but that’s just mental masturbation if it doesn’t hold up in-field.

@Paul
That dynamic is legit, and if it’s happening to you (ie – you’re a super high-value dude and you’re finding girls will auto-reject you because they don’t think they deserve you) that’s where you calibrate and either lower your own value to her and/or raise her value. So if you’re a fancy lawyer you might want to dress down in a t-shirt at the bar instead of your suit, or when you talk about being a rocket scientist you may want to add “it sounds fancy but really it’s just code for being a big fucking nerd who does math all day lol” Like you’re taking the high-value edge off so that she feels more like you’re attainable. At the same time you can also raise her value by qualifying her like “oh you do such and such? That’s interesting, I had a friend who was into such and such. That’s rare these days you must bla bla” so you’re raising HER value like she’s impressed you with something (besides her looks) so she feels like “oh maybe I DO deserve this guy if he sees me that way”.

@Blaximus
“The discussion here is supposed to be RP oriented, and this shit pops up.”

You could just not respond so he has no one to engage with. Now we have to scroll past your huge reply and then his like 4+ replies to that as he tries to goad you into taking up the whole next page of this comment section with shit no one wants to read lol Just ignore it. Do not feed the trolls and all that.

@Vitriol
“However, he hasn’t really had much original thinking lately”

I doubt he’s going out much. He’s old and clearly tired of the game and looking for a way to make it sustainable without having to write Bang guides because he’s not out on poon-slaying adventures like in his 20s. CH has pretty much turned into a political/race blog with like 10 articles in a row these days which is probably for similar reasons. It’s difficult to really come up with new perspectives and insights if you aren’t regularly out and about around hot young chicks. Rollo still comes up with interesting stuff because he’s around hot young chicks for work and has a daughter who presumably has friends all in the age range where chick-brain dynamics are in full-swing and he’s explaining the Why behind a lot of How so there are a lot of gaps to fill in and explain which he’s good at.

Roosh’s “rape should be legalized” article was clever though, he actually makes a good point in terms of logic lol He’s probably going to end up just putting out like one big clever piece/event a year from here on.

@Jay Will
“Quote somebody who sounded like they thought it was legit.”

This guy for one: “So what to do when my white friends don’t join the battle? , he enlisted his fellow passionate Muslims (it use to be the other way around).”

He’s not ACTUALLY enlisting the support of his fellow passionate Muslims. He doesn’t actually expect Muslims to come run to his rescue supporting his cause. He’s not holding the speech in a mosque. He’s just trolling. And he’s noticed that there’s a connection between how religions handled the male/female dynamic (men have authority, women submit to them) and the stability of those societies compared to now, a conclusion that’s obvious to ANYONE and doesn’t mean he’s “returning to his Islamic roots as a man of his exact age is predicted to do”. Religions are generally structured in a way that helps keep women in check and helps keep men high-value to them etc. Realizing that obvious logic doesn’t mean you’re suddenly studying the Koran and trying to preach Muslim faith to everyone and appealing to your Muslim brotherhood for support lol

And it’s working, suddenly the news has gotten SUPER fuckin quiet about him, where are CNN and CBC and everyone now that he’s turned it into a race/culture issue? lol And the feminists are backtracking, now suddenly they were never going to chase after his event or anything oh no no they’re just having a random demonstration that has nothing to do with this Islamist man’s event lol:

When Roosh was just being a dumbfuck I was like “okay this guy is fucking over a lot of dudes with this…” But now he’s taken it SO far that it’s become a social experiment of taking on feminists/SJWs/MSM that I actually want to see the end result of. He’s gone so far across the line into absurdity that it’s become interesting again….it’s still not going to help men and will probably fuck a lot of them over, but it’s trying an interesting new tactic against the social media witch hunt mobs that have been gaining FAR too much power over the past few years so he IS making new waves on that front. Other people have played the race/religion card with them before to escape their wrath, but Roosh is actively doing it as a conscious planned trolling strategy VS ACTUALLY thinking he’s being persecuted for his race/religion, and his entire following is on-board with it and playing it up. That’s exploring new territory in eDrama and mob-defense.

I wish he wasn’t assosciated with the red pill as he’s doing this, but you can’t always get what you want lol


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Long time lurker.
I was wondering how game would handle this situation since I can’t use my own natural charms. Went to a titty bar, hit it off with stripper. I’d say HB9 custom made for my preferences, older but maybe not completely cutter damaged, some baggage. Got digits. Called. Got what felt like the blow off. I go back, she’s on me, asks me to call her. I said, you know…I did, right? Yeah and we talked she says. So, later I call..no answer. Alright. so whatever. I go back to club week later. First words were ‘call me’. ‘You don’t answer your phone’ she’s like ‘you called?’. she was popular that night and I left before we could talk more.
So, I call again and can’t get an answer.
How hard should this be to seal the deal? Either I am a sucker or I am fucking this up. Tried text but zzz.

[CH: you trust the word of a stripper? i’m gonna have to go with your first self-evaluation.]


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    Have you bought any dances or drinks or anything for her at the club? If so, you’re a customer and it’ll be hard to get out of that frame. Have you bought anything for her more than once (like on multiple visits)? Congrats you are a “whale” and will probably NEVER be able to fuck her. Did you ask her for her number? Esp with no time-bridge plans? You probably have her second number for customers. If you haven’t ever bought shit for her and she demanded your number and time bridged you with actual plans to do something together during the #-close you might bang her.

    Strippers have a second phone number they give to customers so the custie gets to feel like they’re totally going to score. Usually they don’t actually answer or talk on this number, cause it’s not their real one, and usually they use it to mass text “it’s so quiet here I miss you baby you should come keep me company :(” and have a dozen guys show up who all think she’s going to fuck them.

    Game a stripper in person instead. Use time bridges when you #-close and watch the Julien vids I like on qualifying her and making her invest to solidify #s.

    And read the forums at stripperweb, they have game too lol



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The big mistake I notice most guys make is viewing women through a PUA filter which leads to failure, at least from an ownership point of view.

Women want to test a man and see what he is made of. A women’s weakness is a strong man who can take or leave her. When you ask a gal to go out with you and she makes an excuse then drop her from your world. Period. Most guys are too weak to do this. When she sees you didn’t blink then she will come back into your world and make it clear you are a man and she wants to be with you.


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    Putting your notions of what constitutes “ownership” aside… this is standard PUA stuff, the freeze out, cat string theory, push/pull. YaReally has 400 posts on his blog on this stuff.

    Everything – absolutely everything – in male female attraction and reproductive activities – comes from PUA / Red Pill / Evo bio/psych… There is no other way.


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      Basically all of Captain Obvious’ posts:

      “Nothing even remotely clever or elegant or sophisticated works on them anymore”

      If you run into a retarded chick in the morning, you ran into a retarded chick. If you run into retarded chicks all day, YOU’RE the retard.

      There’s a point where you fail enough that you have to consider you’re not running the level of game you think you’re running. But tell us again how they’re all simultaneously staring at their iPhone screens and watching our socio-evolutionary-subsignals or whatever your overdramatic catchphrase was lol


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      “I’m talking Geography to her”

      Why?



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Figured you might enjoy keeping an eye on this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49369-page-12.html

“I am starting to get worried. What are the chances he is portrayed as a Julien Blanc?”

Nah, I’m sure the feminists/SJWs will see the enlightened difference between Roosh and Julien, they’re pretty rational and do a lot of research. It’s not like I said during the Julien fiasco that we’re all the same to the mainstream.

Looking forward to seeing how Roosh handles this after all the smack-talk about how RSD (which is still running and still doing just fine) didn’t handle it right and were pussies for for not addressing it head-on. I hope his head-on in-your-face aggressive attacks against the SJW hate mobs go better than his Dr Oz performance.


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Figured you might enjoy keeping an eye on this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49369-page-12.html

“I am starting to get worried. What are the chances he is portrayed as a Julien Blanc?”

Nah, I’m sure the feminists/SJWs will see the enlightened difference between Roosh and Julien, they’re pretty rational and do a lot of research. It’s not like I said during the Julien fiasco that we’re all the same to the mainstream.

Looking forward to seeing how Roosh handles this after all the smack-talk about how RSD (which is still running and still doing just fine) didn’t handle it right and were pussies for for not addressing it head-on. I hope his head-on in-your-face aggressive attacks against the SJW hate mobs go better than his Dr Oz performance.


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@Rollo
“He thinks selling the manosphere out is good publicity.”

It’s great publicity…for him, and his brand.

Not sure how it’s supposed to help men improve their lives exactly, but I don’t get the impression that helping men is as big a concern as getting his face on the front page of newspapers and keeping the outrage cauldron stirring.

Fascinating to watch the slow-mo trainwreck in action though.


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@Rollo
“He thinks selling the manosphere out is good publicity.”

It’s great publicity…for him, and his brand.

Not sure how it’s supposed to help men improve their lives exactly, but I don’t get the impression that helping men is as big a concern as getting his face on the front page of newspapers and keeping the outrage cauldron stirring.

Fascinating to watch the slow-mo trainwreck in action though.


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@Rollo
I think the difference between his cult and the rest of the groups is that the rest of us wouldn’t hold enough of a grudge TO go after him like that. I’m not even really hoping he DOES crash and burn and get Julien Blanc’ed…it would be entertaining and I love the e-drama, but like if he does somehow manage to thwart the feminist/SJW mobs and come out on top I mean, hey, good on him way to beat the odds, I’ll do a slow clap and enjoy the video of him dishing verbal smackdowns on Oprah. I don’t think anyone outside of his hugbox really cares about what he’s teaching…if you’re paying $40 to listen to the guy, you’re probably pretty bought-in already. So I’m not real worried about him fucking average random guys up by putting them on the wrong path.

That said, I’m not sure going public putting your face/voice/name up right now is a wise idea. He’s poking the bear and if shit blows up Julien style they’re going to come after the manosphere and you and CH will be the prime targets. RSD is not even remotely associated with Roosh or you so they didn’t bother digging into you guys, but Roosh you and CH are “the manosphere” as far as the mainstream and Googling is concerned, which means there’s a good chance they’ll come after you. The feminist chick that’s on him now took him posting pics of her and guys saying “would bang” as him encouraging his followers to sexually assault and rape her, and the mainstream is of course going by her word instead of reading the thread. Standard tactics will be to paint you just as bad as their cartoon villain version of him complete with lies and exaggerations and out of context shit etc.

No one NEEDS to see your face or know much personal info about you to get value from your work. Even just the audio from your interviews is solid enough on its own. I don’t think anyone would hold it against you to have your face blurred out or replaced with a pic of something in your interviews while Roosh is pouring gasoline and lighting matches everywhere lol These people lose interest after a few weeks of outrage and then it’s safe to come out again.

Just some advice. This shit-storm is gonna be visible from the moon when he hits Toronto if those Warren Farrel protests are any indication.


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@Rollo
I think the difference between his cult and the rest of the groups is that the rest of us wouldn’t hold enough of a grudge TO go after him like that. I’m not even really hoping he DOES crash and burn and get Julien Blanc’ed…it would be entertaining and I love the e-drama, but like if he does somehow manage to thwart the feminist/SJW mobs and come out on top I mean, hey, good on him way to beat the odds, I’ll do a slow clap and enjoy the video of him dishing verbal smackdowns on Oprah. I don’t think anyone outside of his hugbox really cares about what he’s teaching…if you’re paying $40 to listen to the guy, you’re probably pretty bought-in already. So I’m not real worried about him fucking average random guys up by putting them on the wrong path.

That said, I’m not sure going public putting your face/voice/name up right now is a wise idea. He’s poking the bear and if shit blows up Julien style they’re going to come after the manosphere and you and CH will be the prime targets. RSD is not even remotely associated with Roosh or you so they didn’t bother digging into you guys, but Roosh you and CH are “the manosphere” as far as the mainstream and Googling is concerned, which means there’s a good chance they’ll come after you. The feminist chick that’s on him now took him posting pics of her and guys saying “would bang” as him encouraging his followers to sexually assault and rape her, and the mainstream is of course going by her word instead of reading the thread. Standard tactics will be to paint you just as bad as their cartoon villain version of him complete with lies and exaggerations and out of context shit etc.

No one NEEDS to see your face or know much personal info about you to get value from your work. Even just the audio from your interviews is solid enough on its own. I don’t think anyone would hold it against you to have your face blurred out or replaced with a pic of something in your interviews while Roosh is pouring gasoline and lighting matches everywhere lol These people lose interest after a few weeks of outrage and then it’s safe to come out again.

Just some advice. This shit-storm is gonna be visible from the moon when he hits Toronto if those Warren Farrel protests are any indication.


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@Rollo
Also just for reference incase they do come after you: Julien’s put up various content about the aftermath of that whole fiasco and there was no real consequence in the long-run. He was worried everyone would recognize him and chase him around and neon-haired feminists would protest outside nightclubs etc. but in the end no one, even in the nightlife scene, gives a fuck. He actively tells girls to google his name on their phone to build attraction (he’s charming in person so he ends up being the charming bad boy to them) and turned all the news clips and CNN interview into a badass trailer to promote his next product lol and aside from not being able to go to Australia (and I think Canada), and some shifting around at RSD (an instructor who’s Australian and presumably has family etc there cut ties hard and bailed on them, which is understandable), no one is hunting him down or anything and he’s running bootcamps and doing world tours business as usual.

Same time he had no reputation to fuck up or business to lose or family to harass, he’s just a kid who works for an independent company that won’t fire him lol


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@Rollo
Also just for reference incase they do come after you: Julien’s put up various content about the aftermath of that whole fiasco and there was no real consequence in the long-run. He was worried everyone would recognize him and chase him around and neon-haired feminists would protest outside nightclubs etc. but in the end no one, even in the nightlife scene, gives a fuck. He actively tells girls to google his name on their phone to build attraction (he’s charming in person so he ends up being the charming bad boy to them) and turned all the news clips and CNN interview into a badass trailer to promote his next product lol and aside from not being able to go to Australia (and I think Canada), and some shifting around at RSD (an instructor who’s Australian and presumably has family etc there cut ties hard and bailed on them, which is understandable), no one is hunting him down or anything and he’s running bootcamps and doing world tours business as usual.

Same time he had no reputation to fuck up or business to lose or family to harass, he’s just a kid who works for an independent company that won’t fire him lol


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@kfg @Rollo
“Whatever issues I might have with some of Barbarossa’s ideas, he and Niko Choski handled the BBC’s attempt to jerk them around quite well.”

Didn’t know about the BBC thing, catching up now ’cause I follow some MGTOW stuff. BBC and the Reggie guy’s name reminded me of:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48641-post-1058174.html#pid1058174

“MaleDefined Wrote: Did you know the BBC was coming prior? Will you deny media members entry at future engagements on your tour?”

“Roosh Wrote: Yes, I allowed them too. I’ll allow them from this point on the condition they don’t bring a camera, just so men are not uncomfortable. I want them to see the comradery we have along with the strong ideological platform we have developed. I loved reading how the Vice girl shared her “fear” from such organization. It was also fun to rib on the BBC crew a bit on our home turf. Reggie did tell them afterwards that he was surprised things got heated (he stopped one step short of saying we attacked him). This may be the only opportunity we get to confront the media with our grievances. Two or three guys did interviews in addition to the hostess. Even for them, I really don’t think there will be negative repercussions.”

I’m listening to a podcast with barbarossa where they’re talking about how the BBC thing is CLEARLY a setup for a hitpiece on “extremist groups” (that Reggie guy’s first episode of the series was about neo-nazi extremists and they had a bunch of secret hidden microphones and shit catching private discussion with the neo-nazi’s warning eachother not to say anything too extreme etc)

Bar’s podcast:

Sounds like one MGTOW will be talking to them (I haven’t seen if they convinced him not to yet I’m still catching up, but the BBC was purposely looking for angry MGTOWs in the rage stage of swallowing the pill), plus Roosh’s crew and his seminar they filmed. Guaranteed the two will be combined, and probably people from other camps like MRA and PUA and all mashed together into one hit-piece on episode 2 of the dangerous extremist groups: “You thought the Neo-Nazis were bad? Meet the Men Who Hate Women RIGHT HERE IN OUR OWN BACKYARD!!!” I expect at least 5 references to Elliot Rogers.

I’d say I’m sure Roosh considered all of this before he agreed to the exposure but he just gawsh shucks is a little naive about how the media will portray the Manosphere just like Dr Oz where he golly gee sure did accidentally walk into a trap there.

Brilliant marketing genius or most naive retarded man in the world? Hard to say at this point.

…boy, I bet naming your movement NEO-Masculinity when your episode is going to be the episode after the NEO-Nazis episode will make a great segue lol


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“Whatever issues I might have with some of Barbarossa’s ideas, he and Niko Choski handled the BBC’s attempt to jerk them around quite well.”

Didn’t know about the BBC thing, catching up now ’cause I follow some MGTOW stuff. BBC and the Reggie guy’s name reminded me of:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48641-post-1058174.html#pid1058174

“MaleDefined Wrote: Did you know the BBC was coming prior? Will you deny media members entry at future engagements on your tour?”

“Roosh Wrote: Yes, I allowed them too. I’ll allow them from this point on the condition they don’t bring a camera, just so men are not uncomfortable. I want them to see the comradery we have along with the strong ideological platform we have developed. I loved reading how the Vice girl shared her “fear” from such organization. It was also fun to rib on the BBC crew a bit on our home turf. Reggie did tell them afterwards that he was surprised things got heated (he stopped one step short of saying we attacked him). This may be the only opportunity we get to confront the media with our grievances. Two or three guys did interviews in addition to the hostess. Even for them, I really don’t think there will be negative repercussions.”

I’m listening to a podcast with barbarossa where they’re talking about how the BBC thing is CLEARLY a setup for a hitpiece on “extremist groups” (that Reggie guy’s first episode of the series was about neo-nazi extremists and they had a bunch of secret hidden microphones and shit catching private discussion with the neo-nazi’s warning eachother not to say anything too extreme etc)

Bar’s podcast:

Sounds like one MGTOW will be talking to them (I haven’t seen if they convinced him not to yet I’m still catching up, but the BBC was purposely looking for angry MGTOWs in the rage stage of swallowing the pill), plus Roosh’s crew and his seminar they filmed. Guaranteed the two will be combined, and probably people from other camps like MRA and PUA and all mashed together into one hit-piece on episode 2 of the dangerous extremist groups: “You thought the Neo-Nazis were bad? Meet the Men Who Hate Women RIGHT HERE IN OUR OWN BACKYARD!!!” I expect at least 5 references to Elliot Rogers.

I’d say I’m sure Roosh considered all of this before he agreed to the exposure but he just gawsh shucks is a little naive about how the media will portray the Manosphere just like Dr Oz where he golly gee sure did accidentally walk into a trap there.

Brilliant marketing genius or most naive retarded man in the world? Hard to say at this point.

…boy, I bet naming your movement NEO-Masculinity when your episode is going to be the episode after the NEO-Nazis episode will make a great segue lol


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@Seraph
Skimmed your situ. Drive-by comment I’m bogged down with work so I can’t get into it deep, just gonna throw some links at you.

For the sex thing I say try Patrice O’Neal’s advice to the guy at 42:15 in this clip:

I have no idea if it’ll work, but if I was in your situ I would try it the next few times you have sex just to see what happens lol Get her off and then just walk away no fucks given like you don’t even WANT sex from her because it’s not even GOOD sex…if she asks I would be like “eh, you aren’t really into it these days, I think I’d rather just rub one out to porn instead” totally calm and matter of fact, not bitter/angry. Take that power away from her completely and see if she steps her game up.

Warning: I have no idea if that’ll fuck your marriage up lol but I mean, it can’t get much worse than it is. It’s sure not going to get BETTER when you live in separate Little Houses, still feeling guilty for wanting to get your dick touched which is her responsibility.

I recommend Patrice’s stuff on male/female relationship dynamics in general, his frame is rock solid red pill, listen to it all day at work or whatever, dude spits endless gold. A guy who can internalize the frames Patrice is explaining can skip a lot of that “hit the gym and get a 6-pack” stuff.

The thing the guys over at /TRP/ don’t get, and why they waste a lot of time spinning their wheels trying to balance a delicate juggling act of external attributes, is that they don’t understand what exactly a woman VALUES and what she needs from a man. They’re constantly petrified of Chad Thundercock coming in and sweeping their woman away with his 6-pack abs because they have a weak internal understanding of male/female dynamics. They WILL lose their girl to Chad Thundercock because they’re too busy ranting about how important hitting the gym is to bother looking deeper than the surface.

Triggering a girl’s Hypergamy isn’t about looks, money, 6-pack, any of that shit. It’s about being able to hold your frame and keep a male/female dynamic, punish her when she’s acting up, understanding your value and having expectations of her (and enforcing them) etc. It’s internal mindset shit. Captain of the ship and all that. Don’t need to lift a dumbbell to learn this stuff.

“I can’t blame this all on my marriage, by the way, far from it”

Sure you can. Legal marriage means you can no longer easily walk away from her when she doesn’t live up to your expectations of what she should be bringing to the table as your partner. If you fuck around, she gets to divorce you and cash in. If you don’t want to get divorce-raped, you have to just put up with your situation. Women take men for granted when they don’t fear losing them…being unmarried, you could walk at any time, so she has to be on good behavior. Once you sign that legal paper, you’ve voluntarily given up your ability to leave…so why would she keep putting in effort?

Marriage literally takes away the thing that keeps you attractive to her and structures everything so that anything you do to try to get that power back allows her to claim victim status and pull the divorce chute and cash in and go find some other sucker to leech value off of.

So you can blame a lot of it on your marriage. It’s not your fault, you didn’t understand male/female dynamics and didn’t understand that entering marriage would be default make it very difficult to stay attractive to her, social conditioning fucked you up with Blue Pill Disney notions about what married life would be like. But you should be fully aware of how exactly you got to where you are.

@Rocket

Here’s some shit on having, establishing, and enforcing boundaries:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871


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Skimmed your situ. Drive-by comment I’m bogged down with work so I can’t get into it deep, just gonna throw some links at you.

For the sex thing I say try Patrice O’Neal’s advice to the guy at 42:15 in this clip:

I have no idea if it’ll work, but if I was in your situ I would try it the next few times you have sex just to see what happens lol Get her off and then just walk away no fucks given like you don’t even WANT sex from her because it’s not even GOOD sex…if she asks I would be like “eh, you aren’t really into it these days, I think I’d rather just rub one out to porn instead” totally calm and matter of fact, not bitter/angry. Take that power away from her completely and see if she steps her game up.

Warning: I have no idea if that’ll fuck your marriage up lol but I mean, it can’t get much worse than it is. It’s sure not going to get BETTER when you live in separate Little Houses, still feeling guilty for wanting to get your dick touched which is her responsibility.

I recommend Patrice’s stuff on male/female relationship dynamics in general, his frame is rock solid red pill, listen to it all day at work or whatever, dude spits endless gold. A guy who can internalize the frames Patrice is explaining can skip a lot of that “hit the gym and get a 6-pack” stuff.

The thing the guys over at /TRP/ don’t get, and why they waste a lot of time spinning their wheels trying to balance a delicate juggling act of external attributes, is that they don’t understand what exactly a woman VALUES and what she needs from a man. They’re constantly petrified of Chad Thundercock coming in and sweeping their woman away with his 6-pack abs because they have a weak internal understanding of male/female dynamics. They WILL lose their girl to Chad Thundercock because they’re too busy ranting about how important hitting the gym is to bother looking deeper than the surface.

Triggering a girl’s Hypergamy isn’t about looks, money, 6-pack, any of that shit. It’s about being able to hold your frame and keep a male/female dynamic, punish her when she’s acting up, understanding your value and having expectations of her (and enforcing them) etc. It’s internal mindset shit. Captain of the ship and all that. Don’t need to lift a dumbbell to learn this stuff.

“I can’t blame this all on my marriage, by the way, far from it”

Sure you can. Legal marriage means you can no longer easily walk away from her when she doesn’t live up to your expectations of what she should be bringing to the table as your partner. If you fuck around, she gets to divorce you and cash in. If you don’t want to get divorce-raped, you have to just put up with your situation. Women take men for granted when they don’t fear losing them…being unmarried, you could walk at any time, so she has to be on good behavior. Once you sign that legal paper, you’ve voluntarily given up your ability to leave…so why would she keep putting in effort?

Marriage literally takes away the thing that keeps you attractive to her and structures everything so that anything you do to try to get that power back allows her to claim victim status and pull the divorce chute and cash in and go find some other sucker to leech value off of.

So you can blame a lot of it on your marriage. It’s not your fault, you didn’t understand male/female dynamics and didn’t understand that entering marriage would be default make it very difficult to stay attractive to her, social conditioning fucked you up with Blue Pill Disney notions about what married life would be like. But you should be fully aware of how exactly you got to where you are.

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I will be following this e-drama till Roosh’s Neo-Masculinity-Party-Bus full of guys wearing matching pocket-squares is chased out of Toronto by feminists with torches lol This shit is better than reality TV.

At least Quintus gets to keep LARP’ing. “We’ll do it in the barroom cellar where they filmed “Fight Club” if we have to.” I’m enjoying the Braveheart videos they’re linking lol

He was jealous as fuck about the Julien Blanc fiasco, he didn’t hide it well at all. He’s mentioned in his vblogs that he wants to have 100,000+ followers on his channel etc. Like, he’s clearly trying to build a bigger audience and market himself and is happy to have his notoriety come from controversy.

Then he’ll claim the victim and cash in.

Hmmm…where have I seen this profit model before…

1) smack the beehive with a stick until it reacts
2) when it reacts, play the innocent victim to your followers
3) followers throw money and support at you
4) profit, rinse, repeat

We could call it the Anita Sarkeesian model, but I hate to single her out when so many female SJWs/feminists use the same strategy. Roosh is doing it wrong though, he doesn’t even have his Patreon account set up yet, how is he supposed to cash in on this long-term without linking his Patreon during Step 3??? Amateur hour.

“It fits the theme of his whole tour. If there were nothing controversial about his visit to Canada he’d have to create it himself.”

It’s weird how the strategies of the super alpha male leader of a neo-masculine movement of super top alpha males, resemble the same strategies as the girl who plays damsel in distress or pretends guys are interested in her when no one gives a shit about her.

The BBC apparently has 5 MGTOWs to interview, and Milo Yiannopolous did an interview from the MRA perspective and mentioned it’s a documentary on “The Manosphere” so I’d say my guess is still accurate that it’ll cover all the groups at once and label them all as extremist men’s groups as bad as Neo-Nazis. Milo knows how the media works so he’ll come off good, but he’s also not a part of any of these communities so my guess would be they show him first, explaining the very real issues that cause men to join these “extremist” groups looking for answers, then they’ll cut to Roosh and some arguing MGTOWs with a “but some guys take it too far…” Roosh himself said the Reggie guy was one step away from accusing them of attacking him…think he’s not going to play that up in the final footage? And he was looking specifically for angry MGTOWs in the anger stage.

They have a narrative and will be filling it. And according to a chick who attended his sausage-conference: “Outside, the BBC asked what I’d thought about that, and I spoke honestly. Mid way through, Roosh appeared, and blasted me for ‘selling him out’. ‘Never trust a woman’, he muttered, retreating to the auditorium.”

I’m sure that clip won’t make it into the documentary on extreme men-who-hate-women groups.

“The BBC also attended, to the surprise of all of us, none of whom were informed prior by Roosh.”

I imagine if he had said “hey you’re all going to be on film in a widely viewed BBC documentary with your faces at my controversial seminar”, less people would attend. Better just spring it on everyone and rely on peer pressure to make them go along with it.

I can’t believe Roosh is retarded enough to not see/understand all of this, so I have to side with you on this all being on purpose all the way back to that Dr Oz interview. It’s fascinating to watch, like a comic book supervillian origin story in action…but I’m more amazed that his followers are fully bought-in hook line and sinker to this, not asking any questions the same way no one following Antia is asking questions about her harrassment when she’s posting pics of herself eating popcorn trolling the trolls that have her “fearing for her life btw here’s the link to my Patreon thx #oppression”.

There’s two stories that I’m following through this: 1) where this goes for Roosh and his cult and how that pans out, and 2) how this affects and fucks up the Manosphere and all these men’s movement factions.

So ya, I am following the fuck out of these threads and you’re the only one who seems to have pegged Roosh as full of shit so this is where I’m makin my comments on the situ as it develops.


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I will be following this e-drama till Roosh’s Neo-Masculinity-Party-Bus full of guys wearing matching pocket-squares is chased out of Toronto by feminists with torches lol This shit is better than reality TV.

At least Quintus gets to keep LARP’ing. “We’ll do it in the barroom cellar where they filmed “Fight Club” if we have to.” I’m enjoying the Braveheart videos they’re linking lol

He was jealous as fuck about the Julien Blanc fiasco, he didn’t hide it well at all. He’s mentioned in his vblogs that he wants to have 100,000+ followers on his channel etc. Like, he’s clearly trying to build a bigger audience and market himself and is happy to have his notoriety come from controversy.

Then he’ll claim the victim and cash in.

Hmmm…where have I seen this profit model before…

1) smack the beehive with a stick until it reacts
2) when it reacts, play the innocent victim to your followers
3) followers throw money and support at you
4) profit, rinse, repeat

We could call it the Anita Sarkeesian model, but I hate to single her out when so many female SJWs/feminists use the same strategy. Roosh is doing it wrong though, he doesn’t even have his Patreon account set up yet, how is he supposed to cash in on this long-term without linking his Patreon during Step 3??? Amateur hour.

“It fits the theme of his whole tour. If there were nothing controversial about his visit to Canada he’d have to create it himself.”

It’s weird how the strategies of the super alpha male leader of a neo-masculine movement of super top alpha males, resemble the same strategies as the girl who plays damsel in distress or pretends guys are interested in her when no one gives a shit about her.

The BBC apparently has 5 MGTOWs to interview, and Milo Yiannopolous did an interview from the MRA perspective and mentioned it’s a documentary on “The Manosphere” so I’d say my guess is still accurate that it’ll cover all the groups at once and label them all as extremist men’s groups as bad as Neo-Nazis. Milo knows how the media works so he’ll come off good, but he’s also not a part of any of these communities so my guess would be they show him first, explaining the very real issues that cause men to join these “extremist” groups looking for answers, then they’ll cut to Roosh and some arguing MGTOWs with a “but some guys take it too far…” Roosh himself said the Reggie guy was one step away from accusing them of attacking him…think he’s not going to play that up in the final footage? And he was looking specifically for angry MGTOWs in the anger stage.

They have a narrative and will be filling it. And according to a chick who attended his sausage-conference: “Outside, the BBC asked what I’d thought about that, and I spoke honestly. Mid way through, Roosh appeared, and blasted me for ‘selling him out’. ‘Never trust a woman’, he muttered, retreating to the auditorium.”

I’m sure that clip won’t make it into the documentary on extreme men-who-hate-women groups.

“The BBC also attended, to the surprise of all of us, none of whom were informed prior by Roosh.”

I imagine if he had said “hey you’re all going to be on film in a widely viewed BBC documentary with your faces at my controversial seminar”, less people would attend. Better just spring it on everyone and rely on peer pressure to make them go along with it.

I can’t believe Roosh is retarded enough to not see/understand all of this, so I have to side with you on this all being on purpose all the way back to that Dr Oz interview. It’s fascinating to watch, like a comic book supervillian origin story in action…but I’m more amazed that his followers are fully bought-in hook line and sinker to this, not asking any questions the same way no one following Antia is asking questions about her harrassment when she’s posting pics of herself eating popcorn trolling the trolls that have her “fearing for her life btw here’s the link to my Patreon thx #oppression”.

There’s two stories that I’m following through this: 1) where this goes for Roosh and his cult and how that pans out, and 2) how this affects and fucks up the Manosphere and all these men’s movement factions.

So ya, I am following the fuck out of these threads and you’re the only one who seems to have pegged Roosh as full of shit so this is where I’m makin my comments on the situ as it develops.


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And to suck your dick for a second since the subject of alpha widows is going on, just wanted to say thanks for all your writing. A PUA buddy of mine just went through a devastating LTR breakup (his one-itis unicorn 180’ed on him and cut her feelings off ICE cold after like 7 years when she realized they were headed toward different goals) and a bunch of your articles on the subject came in handy to help get him through the shellshock stage and explain to him exactly what all happened and how a girl can cut her feelings off like that and suddenly actively give no fucks about him despite all his investment and high-value, and the difference between love for men and women and all biological imperatives and AF/BB and all that.

Dude is in the Acceptance stage now and doing good but it’s mainly because he understands why she did what she did and your articles and the explanations I’ve picked up from reading them in general were a big help. I’ve explained to him what his chick’s future is going to be (30yo alpha widow who’s going to be turned off by betas and pump & dumped by alphas) and why and he gets it and is fully past the “taking her back” stage and into the “time to find new girls” stage ready to follow my lead with casual harem game lol

Thanks for writing solid articles that aren’t full of cuckservative jokes and rants about why black people are inferior lol Your writing is helpful to men, even us PUAs, since PUA doesn’t focus as much on the hows and whys behind long-term LTR dynamics, and it helped my buddy fully swallow the red pill and understand the deep mechanics of the female brain.


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And to suck your dick for a second since the subject of alpha widows is going on, just wanted to say thanks for all your writing. A PUA buddy of mine just went through a devastating LTR breakup (his one-itis unicorn 180’ed on him and cut her feelings off ICE cold after like 7 years when she realized they were headed toward different goals) and a bunch of your articles on the subject came in handy to help get him through the shellshock stage and explain to him exactly what all happened and how a girl can cut her feelings off like that and suddenly actively give no fucks about him despite all his investment and high-value, and the difference between love for men and women and all biological imperatives and AF/BB and all that.

Dude is in the Acceptance stage now and doing good but it’s mainly because he understands why she did what she did and your articles and the explanations I’ve picked up from reading them in general were a big help. I’ve explained to him what his chick’s future is going to be (30yo alpha widow who’s going to be turned off by betas and pump & dumped by alphas) and why and he gets it and is fully past the “taking her back” stage and into the “time to find new girls” stage ready to follow my lead with casual harem game lol

Thanks for writing solid articles that aren’t full of cuckservative jokes and rants about why black people are inferior lol Your writing is helpful to men, even us PUAs, since PUA doesn’t focus as much on the hows and whys behind long-term LTR dynamics, and it helped my buddy fully swallow the red pill and understand the deep mechanics of the female brain.


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“Seems almost to be a veiled FI apologist that encourages semi-cucking in the name of sexual equalism. ”

lol I forgot about the part about having your chick fuck other dudes. I don’t recommend taking it THAT far, Tyler’s a bit extreme at times lol

His point is more that he’s dealing with REALITY. You’re dealing with the Disney fantasy. You’re fully bought into the madonna/whore mindset and it’s causing all sorts of problems because your brain doesn’t want to accept the reality that in modern society hot girls have had sex before. This isn’t 1920 like your brain wants to believe it is. So you can either fight that and be miserable or you can just accept that any hot girl you meet is going to have sucked a few cocks and probably ENJOYED it and some of those cocks may even have been bigger or more fun than yours, holy shit stop the presses fuck this world I don’t wanna live on it anymore.

All you can do is fuck her brains out and enjoy that she’s currently choosing you and will probably continue to choose you if you stay high-value to her and keep triggering her Hypergamy.

“I just have to come to terms with the fact it’s my own insecurity, instead, I guess?”

It’s your ego being butthurt that she would do other shit with other men. And butthurt that you don’t have control over her. And butthurt that she might bail on you for other men down the road. And butthurt that you didn’t get there first. And butthurt that you don’t REALLY know what she did with other guys and maybe they fucked her better. And butthurt that maybe when she’s fucking you she’s thinking of other guys to get herself off. And butthurt that you were late to the party and are getting other guys’ sloppy seconds. And butthurt that you can’t rely on her only ever being attracted to you since she’s shown that she can be attracted to a variety of men so you can never really rest easy that she’s yours because any dude she meets could be another guy she’s attracted to and that you can’t control that and make it not possible.

All sorts of fucked up internal shit on your end that comes mostly from your Disney social conditioning. You don’t HAVE to deal with it, but you’re going to keep feeling butthurt over it if you don’t.


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“Seems almost to be a veiled FI apologist that encourages semi-cucking in the name of sexual equalism. ”

lol I forgot about the part about having your chick fuck other dudes. I don’t recommend taking it THAT far, Tyler’s a bit extreme at times lol

His point is more that he’s dealing with REALITY. You’re dealing with the Disney fantasy. You’re fully bought into the madonna/whore mindset and it’s causing all sorts of problems because your brain doesn’t want to accept the reality that in modern society hot girls have had sex before. This isn’t 1920 like your brain wants to believe it is. So you can either fight that and be miserable or you can just accept that any hot girl you meet is going to have sucked a few cocks and probably ENJOYED it and some of those cocks may even have been bigger or more fun than yours, holy shit stop the presses fuck this world I don’t wanna live on it anymore.

All you can do is fuck her brains out and enjoy that she’s currently choosing you and will probably continue to choose you if you stay high-value to her and keep triggering her Hypergamy.

“I just have to come to terms with the fact it’s my own insecurity, instead, I guess?”

It’s your ego being butthurt that she would do other shit with other men. And butthurt that you don’t have control over her. And butthurt that she might bail on you for other men down the road. And butthurt that you didn’t get there first. And butthurt that you don’t REALLY know what she did with other guys and maybe they fucked her better. And butthurt that maybe when she’s fucking you she’s thinking of other guys to get herself off. And butthurt that you were late to the party and are getting other guys’ sloppy seconds. And butthurt that you can’t rely on her only ever being attracted to you since she’s shown that she can be attracted to a variety of men so you can never really rest easy that she’s yours because any dude she meets could be another guy she’s attracted to and that you can’t control that and make it not possible.

All sorts of fucked up internal shit on your end that comes mostly from your Disney social conditioning. You don’t HAVE to deal with it, but you’re going to keep feeling butthurt over it if you don’t.


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lol amazing, even that tweet is literally a clickbait headline “I paid a woman $75 to be the hostess at my London event. She takes my money then denounces me to the Huffington Post.” That shit is worthy of a Jezebel article. I wonder if he wrote it down before he even did the London event in some kind of super-villain “take over the world plan” notebook lol

“Roosh really expects the retro-masc crowd to believe he had no idea she was a feminist blogger?”

The fucked up part is they DO. No one can post on his forum who isn’t fully part of the cult, and they don’t want to venture out and hear outside opinions, so they’re just bought in full hook line and sinker. And these are the same guys who rant all day about bullshit media narratives and shit lol It’s like 3 Stooges slapstick comedy in action, but sad.

“The Montreal press already knows he’s headed into the country to speak to all of 40 guys?”

If he actually just cared about getting the information to men, there’s no reason to have any kind of public conference, he could just release a DVD set. If he had some reason for gathering men together (like for them to network) he could do it in a low-key manner that protects their privacy and protects the event from feminist action…RSD is still running all sorts of bootcamps and lectures, but they don’t let the media in and they don’t poke the feminist beehive for attention.

Roosh also posted that Montreal feminist chick’s nekkid pics in his forum, like he doesn’t expect that to rally the hate mobs that’ll bring TV coverage?

“It’s just like I said back in May, he’s selling out all of the legitimate value of the manosphere for his own gain.”

Yup, can’t argue with that. I was actually giving him the benefit of the doubt for a while just because it’s not a mindset I can relate to at all. But like, come on lol

What do you think his endgame IS exactly? Where is Roosh age 45? If he’s going to nuke his name and face like this, he has to have a life-long plan for this ’cause there’s no going back, so whatever he’s doing HAS to be big enough to financially sustain him through old age. This is going to get him attention and probably some more followers, but like all he really sells is his books that most of his followers already own. No Patreon “throw money at me every month” fund yet. He can’t write many more books on banging since he’s getting old (and I don’t think he had much game to begin with even in his prime).

Like where does he take this from here long-term I wonder?


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lol amazing, even that tweet is literally a clickbait headline “I paid a woman $75 to be the hostess at my London event. She takes my money then denounces me to the Huffington Post.” That shit is worthy of a Jezebel article. I wonder if he wrote it down before he even did the London event in some kind of super-villain “take over the world plan” notebook lol

“Roosh really expects the retro-masc crowd to believe he had no idea she was a feminist blogger?”

The fucked up part is they DO. No one can post on his forum who isn’t fully part of the cult, and they don’t want to venture out and hear outside opinions, so they’re just bought in full hook line and sinker. And these are the same guys who rant all day about bullshit media narratives and shit lol It’s like 3 Stooges slapstick comedy in action, but sad.

“The Montreal press already knows he’s headed into the country to speak to all of 40 guys?”

If he actually just cared about getting the information to men, there’s no reason to have any kind of public conference, he could just release a DVD set. If he had some reason for gathering men together (like for them to network) he could do it in a low-key manner that protects their privacy and protects the event from feminist action…RSD is still running all sorts of bootcamps and lectures, but they don’t let the media in and they don’t poke the feminist beehive for attention.

Roosh also posted that Montreal feminist chick’s nekkid pics in his forum, like he doesn’t expect that to rally the hate mobs that’ll bring TV coverage?

“It’s just like I said back in May, he’s selling out all of the legitimate value of the manosphere for his own gain.”

Yup, can’t argue with that. I was actually giving him the benefit of the doubt for a while just because it’s not a mindset I can relate to at all. But like, come on lol

What do you think his endgame IS exactly? Where is Roosh age 45? If he’s going to nuke his name and face like this, he has to have a life-long plan for this ’cause there’s no going back, so whatever he’s doing HAS to be big enough to financially sustain him through old age. This is going to get him attention and probably some more followers, but like all he really sells is his books that most of his followers already own. No Patreon “throw money at me every month” fund yet. He can’t write many more books on banging since he’s getting old (and I don’t think he had much game to begin with even in his prime).

Like where does he take this from here long-term I wonder?


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“Honestly I think he believes he can turn himself into a neo-masc pundit and do the conservative talk shows and Fox News thing to turn a buck.”

pffft, small potatoes…I say ride this train right into space! Footage from a RooshV lecture in 2025:

http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/preacher-knocking-over-everyone-groups-falling-over-neo-neo-preacher-1418504238F.gif?id=70


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“Honestly I think he believes he can turn himself into a neo-masc pundit and do the conservative talk shows and Fox News thing to turn a buck.”

pffft, small potatoes…I say ride this train right into space! Footage from a RooshV lecture in 2025:

http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/preacher-knocking-over-everyone-groups-falling-over-neo-neo-preacher-1418504238F.gif?id=70


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“That my indignation isn’t a cognitive dissonance caused by Disney programming conflicting with reality… that there is an elemental and rational truth to it a devaluing of a girl outside of alpha widowing and future infidelity concerns. Fuck.”

It’s not an either/or situation lol The points we’re all making all hold up and work together:

She’s taken a lot of cock so its harder for her to bond with you…but the reality is girls these days are ALL taking a lot of cock. THAT’S WHY YOU DON’T FUCKING MARRY THEM and legally tie half your shit to them lol Just enjoy them while you have them and don’t bet a divorce-rape on them not having an unhappy day or losing attraction for 60 years.

Part of why it sucks to you is that you want this chick long-term (Disney shit) but know that what Fleezer is saying about them having trouble bonding is true, so you can’t make the two work together…you have to either ditch her and find a chick who’s a virgin (rare these days), or keep her and give up your long-term dreams with her and accept that she might bail at any point because of her history. Pick one or the other.

Even if you find a virgin, in 2015 there’s so much social/feminist influence for her to fuck around and eat pray love you that one girls-night-out where she meets an asshole like me who says “wow you’ve only been with one guy? No that’s cool, it’s just surprising, most girls have been with a few guys because they need to know if their man is right for them by exploring sex with other guys…personally I think it makes a relationship stronger if the girl has had a couple partners and chooses me” and she’s fucking up all those bonding chemicals by the end of the night.

Toss out the Disney “together forever” fantasy. AND DON’T GET FUCKING MARRIED.


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“That my indignation isn’t a cognitive dissonance caused by Disney programming conflicting with reality… that there is an elemental and rational truth to it a devaluing of a girl outside of alpha widowing and future infidelity concerns. Fuck.”

It’s not an either/or situation lol The points we’re all making all hold up and work together:

She’s taken a lot of cock so its harder for her to bond with you…but the reality is girls these days are ALL taking a lot of cock. THAT’S WHY YOU DON’T FUCKING MARRY THEM and legally tie half your shit to them lol Just enjoy them while you have them and don’t bet a divorce-rape on them not having an unhappy day or losing attraction for 60 years.

Part of why it sucks to you is that you want this chick long-term (Disney shit) but know that what Fleezer is saying about them having trouble bonding is true, so you can’t make the two work together…you have to either ditch her and find a chick who’s a virgin (rare these days), or keep her and give up your long-term dreams with her and accept that she might bail at any point because of her history. Pick one or the other.

Even if you find a virgin, in 2015 there’s so much social/feminist influence for her to fuck around and eat pray love you that one girls-night-out where she meets an asshole like me who says “wow you’ve only been with one guy? No that’s cool, it’s just surprising, most girls have been with a few guys because they need to know if their man is right for them by exploring sex with other guys…personally I think it makes a relationship stronger if the girl has had a couple partners and chooses me” and she’s fucking up all those bonding chemicals by the end of the night.

Toss out the Disney “together forever” fantasy. AND DON’T GET FUCKING MARRIED.


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“Right — this I agree with. I was writing from the perspective that he was evaluating an LTR, so that was the context in which I responded, because that’s what he said he was evaluating. As a plate… no issue, obviously.”

Yup and the thing is I’m not saying she CAN’T be with him long-term. It COULD work out just fine…but 1) expecting or banking on it is fucking insane, and 2) DON’T GET MARRIED. Marriage literally neuters your ability to walk out on her if she DOES lose attraction for you or test you too much and need punishment. Marriage by default MAKES you unattractive unless you work very hard at countering that like a Rollo does, which you won’t be able to do because you’re still swallowing the red pill so marriage would be actively introducing a legal restriction that 1) makes you less attractive to a girl who will already have trouble bonding, and 2) REWARD her with cash ‘n prizes FOR losing attraction.

Now if you accept all this shit and just have a good solid LTR with her, you might be able to make it all work long-term. It’s not impossible. You may even be able to have kids with her someday (out of wedlock obviously) and make that work.

But if you don’t accept all of this, you will get fucked.

…oh and did I mention don’t get married to her?


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“Right — this I agree with. I was writing from the perspective that he was evaluating an LTR, so that was the context in which I responded, because that’s what he said he was evaluating. As a plate… no issue, obviously.”

Yup and the thing is I’m not saying she CAN’T be with him long-term. It COULD work out just fine…but 1) expecting or banking on it is fucking insane, and 2) DON’T GET MARRIED. Marriage literally neuters your ability to walk out on her if she DOES lose attraction for you or test you too much and need punishment. Marriage by default MAKES you unattractive unless you work very hard at countering that like a Rollo does, which you won’t be able to do because you’re still swallowing the red pill so marriage would be actively introducing a legal restriction that 1) makes you less attractive to a girl who will already have trouble bonding, and 2) REWARD her with cash ‘n prizes FOR losing attraction.

Now if you accept all this shit and just have a good solid LTR with her, you might be able to make it all work long-term. It’s not impossible. You may even be able to have kids with her someday (out of wedlock obviously) and make that work.

But if you don’t accept all of this, you will get fucked.

…oh and did I mention don’t get married to her?


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Bet you didn’t see THIS coming lol

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49574.html

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Bet you didn’t see THIS coming lol

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49574.html

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Easy solution: Dump her, then the next girl you date tell her “ya I dumped my ex because I found out she was a raging slut before she met me, it was disgusting.” That girl will know you’ve got unrealistic expectations for her purity level and to avoid your judgement she’ll lie to you extremely convincingly about how she’s only had one or two partners or whatever number she thinks you think is acceptable, and will say the sex with them was terrible and nothing compared to your thundercock, even if she has to dream about the two guys who fucked her in a bathroom in college to get off when you’re fucking her.

Congrats, you’ll have your modern-day unicorn! lol

Tony Robbins says when you aren’t happy either change your circumstances or change your expectations. The world has changed, this isn’t the 50s where a girl was shamed by society for blowing some dudes at a kegger. You’re unlikely at best to find a hot girl over the age of 17 who doesn’t have much sexual experience, but you’ll find plenty who will lie to you about it if you project that it makes you insecure/jealous/envious/resentful.


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Easy solution: Dump her, then the next girl you date tell her “ya I dumped my ex because I found out she was a raging slut before she met me, it was disgusting.” That girl will know you’ve got unrealistic expectations for her purity level and to avoid your judgement she’ll lie to you extremely convincingly about how she’s only had one or two partners or whatever number she thinks you think is acceptable, and will say the sex with them was terrible and nothing compared to your thundercock, even if she has to dream about the two guys who fucked her in a bathroom in college to get off when you’re fucking her.

Congrats, you’ll have your modern-day unicorn! lol

Tony Robbins says when you aren’t happy either change your circumstances or change your expectations. The world has changed, this isn’t the 50s where a girl was shamed by society for blowing some dudes at a kegger. You’re unlikely at best to find a hot girl over the age of 17 who doesn’t have much sexual experience, but you’ll find plenty who will lie to you about it if you project that it makes you insecure/jealous/envious/resentful.


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That’s some fucked up sexual history. If you LTR this chick you are retarded. If you try for anything MORE than an LTR with this chick like having a kid or marrying her, you are beyond insane. A chick with that kind of background damage is casual fuckbuddy material at best.

Swallowing the pill doesn’t mean not having any standards. It means having realistic standards that define what place in your life a girl gets to be. What most guys do is they’re so in scarcity that they meet some crazy (or former crazy) chick who’s “pretty cool” and they know they probably shouldn’t LTR her up but they don’t have options and they let themselves catch one-itis and then they end up in an LTR with her and, of course, get fucked over hard…unless she can hide the crazy long enough to MARRY her which is even dumber and they get fucked over even harder.

Whereas the standards for a fuckbuddy where you don’t emotionally invest in her can be different. ie – for LTR-consideration I expect a girl to be a gym bunny who loves exercise, because I don’t want an LTR who gets fat. But for FB-consideration I don’t care if she spends a single day in the gym as long as she looks good when we fuck. But the key point where Red Pill comes into play is when I meet a girl who I like a lot but who doesn’t like exercising. That chick automatically can ONLY be an FB at best. I won’t bend my standards. Same with cooking, to be my LTR a chick better love cooking for her man…if she drops a comment like “I never cook, I hate it, I just eat out and I don’t want to be some stay at home housewife” then that’s cool, we can bang as casual FBs, but she doesn’t get to be an LTR, ever, because we fundamentally won’t work.

That said, you’ve also got to have realistic expectations about what the average 25yo girl has done these days. Expecting a girl to hit the gym or cook isn’t unrealistic. Expecting her to have an N-1 count is unrealistic. Personally I don’t think expecting her to not have endangered herself with drugs and random group party cocks is unreasonable. That stuff
shows a lot of bad/risky judgement on her part…she’s put herself in pretty dangerous situations and as a fuckbuddy I don’t care, I’ll bang her, but as a long term LTR prospect (and potential mother of my children) not a fuckin chance lol

If you’re seeing a girl who doesn’t meet your LTR standards, but you like her enough to want her to be more than an FB, you got two options:

1) LTR her up and take your chances but there’s like a 99% chance it’s going to blow up in your face down the road…HARD.

2) keep her as a casual FB, see her once every couple weeks max to avoid catching feelings, don’t do cuddle & movie dates and shit, keep her to sex only, and go find some other girl to be an LTR

Where you’re going to fuck yourself over is you’re going to (and probably already are) take a girl who doesn’t meet your LTR standards and treat her like an LTR until you end up in an LTR with her and then down the road you’ll be here asking how to fix a deadbedroom and/or avoid a divorce-rape.

You CAN have whatever expectations you want for an LTR and FB, like if you want to try to find a hot 21yo who’s still a virgin for an LTR you can decide that’s your standard…but if you meet a girl you’re into and she’s NOT that, then fuck her as a casual FB and just don’t make her an LTR. It’s not a standard if you bend on it.

You may be thinking “but YaReally, that means like 99% of girls aren’t LTR-worthy if I want a girl with a low N-count and low sexual experience!!” …Yup. You’re right. “but YaReally, I really want an LTR!!!!” Well then, you either lower your standards for an LTR and end up miserable and get fucked over when it blows up, or you go out and meet a shitload more girls until you find one that passes your LTR standards.

You may be thinking “but YaReally, this sounds like there’s almost no chance of me getting into an LTR anytime soon!” Yup. “but, but, I need a girl to complete me!!!” That’s Disney conditioning in action. Guys are too in a hurry to find an LTR, they bend all their standards out of scarcity and then end up unhappy and blame the girl for being the wrong girl instead of blaming themselves for bending their LTR requirements for a girl they knew didn’t meet them in the first place.

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That’s some fucked up sexual history. If you LTR this chick you are retarded. If you try for anything MORE than an LTR with this chick like having a kid or marrying her, you are beyond insane. A chick with that kind of background damage is casual fuckbuddy material at best.

Swallowing the pill doesn’t mean not having any standards. It means having realistic standards that define what place in your life a girl gets to be. What most guys do is they’re so in scarcity that they meet some crazy (or former crazy) chick who’s “pretty cool” and they know they probably shouldn’t LTR her up but they don’t have options and they let themselves catch one-itis and then they end up in an LTR with her and, of course, get fucked over hard…unless she can hide the crazy long enough to MARRY her which is even dumber and they get fucked over even harder.

Whereas the standards for a fuckbuddy where you don’t emotionally invest in her can be different. ie – for LTR-consideration I expect a girl to be a gym bunny who loves exercise, because I don’t want an LTR who gets fat. But for FB-consideration I don’t care if she spends a single day in the gym as long as she looks good when we fuck. But the key point where Red Pill comes into play is when I meet a girl who I like a lot but who doesn’t like exercising. That chick automatically can ONLY be an FB at best. I won’t bend my standards. Same with cooking, to be my LTR a chick better love cooking for her man…if she drops a comment like “I never cook, I hate it, I just eat out and I don’t want to be some stay at home housewife” then that’s cool, we can bang as casual FBs, but she doesn’t get to be an LTR, ever, because we fundamentally won’t work.

That said, you’ve also got to have realistic expectations about what the average 25yo girl has done these days. Expecting a girl to hit the gym or cook isn’t unrealistic. Expecting her to have an N-1 count is unrealistic. Personally I don’t think expecting her to not have endangered herself with drugs and random group party cocks is unreasonable. That stuff
shows a lot of bad/risky judgement on her part…she’s put herself in pretty dangerous situations and as a fuckbuddy I don’t care, I’ll bang her, but as a long term LTR prospect (and potential mother of my children) not a fuckin chance lol

If you’re seeing a girl who doesn’t meet your LTR standards, but you like her enough to want her to be more than an FB, you got two options:

1) LTR her up and take your chances but there’s like a 99% chance it’s going to blow up in your face down the road…HARD.

2) keep her as a casual FB, see her once every couple weeks max to avoid catching feelings, don’t do cuddle & movie dates and shit, keep her to sex only, and go find some other girl to be an LTR

Where you’re going to fuck yourself over is you’re going to (and probably already are) take a girl who doesn’t meet your LTR standards and treat her like an LTR until you end up in an LTR with her and then down the road you’ll be here asking how to fix a deadbedroom and/or avoid a divorce-rape.

You CAN have whatever expectations you want for an LTR and FB, like if you want to try to find a hot 21yo who’s still a virgin for an LTR you can decide that’s your standard…but if you meet a girl you’re into and she’s NOT that, then fuck her as a casual FB and just don’t make her an LTR. It’s not a standard if you bend on it.

You may be thinking “but YaReally, that means like 99% of girls aren’t LTR-worthy if I want a girl with a low N-count and low sexual experience!!” …Yup. You’re right. “but YaReally, I really want an LTR!!!!” Well then, you either lower your standards for an LTR and end up miserable and get fucked over when it blows up, or you go out and meet a shitload more girls until you find one that passes your LTR standards.

You may be thinking “but YaReally, this sounds like there’s almost no chance of me getting into an LTR anytime soon!” Yup. “but, but, I need a girl to complete me!!!” That’s Disney conditioning in action. Guys are too in a hurry to find an LTR, they bend all their standards out of scarcity and then end up unhappy and blame the girl for being the wrong girl instead of blaming themselves for bending their LTR requirements for a girl they knew didn’t meet them in the first place.

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Shit, you put it way more concisely than my rambling lol @Aelorne basically this:

“You’ve already judged her as beneath your standards. The mental issue you have is you’re trying to talk yourself into compromising those standards. The reason you feel we are talking in circles is we’ve given you the answer, you just don’t like it. I’m sorry that sucks. Truly. But the solution is:
Keep her and compromise your standards
Or
Walk away.

You are still trying to find middle ground where it doesn’t exist.

The good news? Really getting the Red Pill solves this dilemma, because you’ll have a completely new set of standards to judge with. And many of us have told you by those standards she may pass muster.”


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Shit, you put it way more concisely than my rambling lol @Aelorne basically this:

“You’ve already judged her as beneath your standards. The mental issue you have is you’re trying to talk yourself into compromising those standards. The reason you feel we are talking in circles is we’ve given you the answer, you just don’t like it. I’m sorry that sucks. Truly. But the solution is:
Keep her and compromise your standards
Or
Walk away.

You are still trying to find middle ground where it doesn’t exist.

The good news? Really getting the Red Pill solves this dilemma, because you’ll have a completely new set of standards to judge with. And many of us have told you by those standards she may pass muster.”


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Good point on Roosh with the martyr desire. I guess any controversy just adds to his “places will want to pay to interview me” plans. I’ve never seen someone purposely execute a strategy like this before, it’s fascinating as fuck to see it unfold.

And I guess if you’re going to pick a jail to be in, a friendly Canadian jail where they feed you grapes and give you back massages is a lot better than some sketchy Euro jail where you’d actually be suffering.

In fact that might be why it’s Montreal first then Toronto. He knows Toronto is THE hotbed of feminism with Big Red and all that…Hit locations around it to build notoriety and then if Montreal doesn’t jail him up, smack the beehive even harder making fun of their failure to get him to rile up the Toronto feminists to try to guarantee getting tossed in a nice comfy Canadian jail for some publicity.

The funny part will be if they successfully beat the mob down, he’ll be like “…shit, it wasn’t supposed to go THAT well!” and have to double-down his efforts to rile up Toronto lol


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Good point on Roosh with the martyr desire. I guess any controversy just adds to his “places will want to pay to interview me” plans. I’ve never seen someone purposely execute a strategy like this before, it’s fascinating as fuck to see it unfold.

And I guess if you’re going to pick a jail to be in, a friendly Canadian jail where they feed you grapes and give you back massages is a lot better than some sketchy Euro jail where you’d actually be suffering.

In fact that might be why it’s Montreal first then Toronto. He knows Toronto is THE hotbed of feminism with Big Red and all that…Hit locations around it to build notoriety and then if Montreal doesn’t jail him up, smack the beehive even harder making fun of their failure to get him to rile up the Toronto feminists to try to guarantee getting tossed in a nice comfy Canadian jail for some publicity.

The funny part will be if they successfully beat the mob down, he’ll be like “…shit, it wasn’t supposed to go THAT well!” and have to double-down his efforts to rile up Toronto lol


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“The guys have been so. Fucking. Effeminate. No energy to them, just totally demure. Lanky and weak with shoulders pulled up to their ears or slumped, either way just attempting to appear small and unintimidating. Just delicate creatures with a presence that comes across as half gay, half 5-year-old kid. They speak in upspeak with vocal fry and a lisp, and if you’re only catching them out of the corner of your eye when they’re talking with their gaggle of girls, you really can’t tell there’s guys present.”

This trend (and it’s not your imagination) is part of why I don’t have an interest in an LTR yet. I’m early-30s and I’ll be late 40s in around 15 years. A lot happens in 15 years. I started learning game 10 years ago and shit was very different even back then.

A chick who’s basically a little girl right now is going to be 18-23 in 15 years. What is that girl going to see growing up? She’s going to be SURROUNDED by even MORE effeminate boys who’ve been fully brainwashed by the FI from their single moms who want to make them into perfect little gentlemen to zero male influence in the education system to sports not keeping score to male sexuality massively demonized etc etc.

So her only real experience with guys will be these boys you’re seeing and probably WORSE.

Then she runs into a guy like me and I’m not even a manly man type esp compared to the generation before us, but compared to THESE coffee shop hipster boys? I’m like Clint Eastwood next to them lol esp by the time I’m late 40s and my frame is even more solid and my game is even tighter etc.

It’s going to be the first time she experiences unapologetically masculine /sexual energy possibly in her ENTIRE LIFE. She’ll have gotten it maybe from a jock at school or seen it on TV but never experienced staring down a rock solid MAN who’s looking at her like he’s going to fuck her brains out. She’s not even going to know how to classify what she feels, she’s just going to know that holy shit I need to be around this energy because this fills something in me that I didn’t even realize I needed and none of these effeminate chodes around me can give me that.

I don’t see ANY problem landing hot <25yo girls into my late 40s and early 50s. So if I DO decide I want to attempt the kids and settling thing, I don't think there'll be any problem finding a young hottie in her prime to pop out babies with because I will have my pick of the litter just based on how society is fucking boys up these days.

A guy who's under 35 and getting into a monogamous LTR is literally insane to me lol


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“The guys have been so. Fucking. Effeminate. No energy to them, just totally demure. Lanky and weak with shoulders pulled up to their ears or slumped, either way just attempting to appear small and unintimidating. Just delicate creatures with a presence that comes across as half gay, half 5-year-old kid. They speak in upspeak with vocal fry and a lisp, and if you’re only catching them out of the corner of your eye when they’re talking with their gaggle of girls, you really can’t tell there’s guys present.”

This trend (and it’s not your imagination) is part of why I don’t have an interest in an LTR yet. I’m early-30s and I’ll be late 40s in around 15 years. A lot happens in 15 years. I started learning game 10 years ago and shit was very different even back then.

A chick who’s basically a little girl right now is going to be 18-23 in 15 years. What is that girl going to see growing up? She’s going to be SURROUNDED by even MORE effeminate boys who’ve been fully brainwashed by the FI from their single moms who want to make them into perfect little gentlemen to zero male influence in the education system to sports not keeping score to male sexuality massively demonized etc etc.

So her only real experience with guys will be these boys you’re seeing and probably WORSE.

Then she runs into a guy like me and I’m not even a manly man type esp compared to the generation before us, but compared to THESE coffee shop hipster boys? I’m like Clint Eastwood next to them lol esp by the time I’m late 40s and my frame is even more solid and my game is even tighter etc.

It’s going to be the first time she experiences unapologetically masculine /sexual energy possibly in her ENTIRE LIFE. She’ll have gotten it maybe from a jock at school or seen it on TV but never experienced staring down a rock solid MAN who’s looking at her like he’s going to fuck her brains out. She’s not even going to know how to classify what she feels, she’s just going to know that holy shit I need to be around this energy because this fills something in me that I didn’t even realize I needed and none of these effeminate chodes around me can give me that.

I don’t see ANY problem landing hot <25yo girls into my late 40s and early 50s. So if I DO decide I want to attempt the kids and settling thing, I don't think there'll be any problem finding a young hottie in her prime to pop out babies with because I will have my pick of the litter just based on how society is fucking boys up these days.

A guy who's under 35 and getting into a monogamous LTR is literally insane to me lol


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“It’ll be funny if they just deny him entry to the country and all this dies out for him inside a week.”

He should’ve photoshopped a pic of himself in front of a Montreal landmark and posted it so they would think he’s already in the country and lay off putting the border on high-alert. This is all a waste if he doesn’t actually get across the border.

The funny part to me is that no one anywhere gives a shit about this. I haven’t seen a thread on any popular forums or comment sections anywhere except here and even here it’s basically just a small handful of us. No one outside of his Neo-Cult gives a shit about him or his Alamo stand lol That’s gotta sting when every forum including his own had massive discussions about Julien.

Nothing stings worse for an attention whore than no one paying attention to them.


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“It’ll be funny if they just deny him entry to the country and all this dies out for him inside a week.”

He should’ve photoshopped a pic of himself in front of a Montreal landmark and posted it so they would think he’s already in the country and lay off putting the border on high-alert. This is all a waste if he doesn’t actually get across the border.

The funny part to me is that no one anywhere gives a shit about this. I haven’t seen a thread on any popular forums or comment sections anywhere except here and even here it’s basically just a small handful of us. No one outside of his Neo-Cult gives a shit about him or his Alamo stand lol That’s gotta sting when every forum including his own had massive discussions about Julien.

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“Particularly if they can get eye contact with me.”

When you consider it from their perspective, not only is it rare for her to get actual steady unwavering sexual eye-contact from a man, but there’s a good chance that she’s literally never seen that till the age of 18. Watch the eyes of the boys as they interact with her and you’ll find that they look everywhere like squirrels and try to constantly fill silences etc. It’s a surreal gina tingles experience to a lot of them just to make steady unwavering eye-contact with a man…and if you close the gap on her (get your face closer to hers) the sexual tension and butterflies blast through the roof. Bumping up my eye contact (the Liam McRae and Gambler vids I always link, click my name and search my archive) has made the single biggest difference in my game in years…I can build massive sexual tension FAST without needing kino or fancy verbals, compared to when I was younger running high-fiving high-kino flashy-verbals game (I still do flashy verbals for my own self-amusement tho, I’m naturally verbose).

“I can see the dynamic you’re talking about (I had been wondering if it was a possibility and if the trends were true before this”

It’s the natural result of a feminized every-man-who-interacts-with-kids-is-a-pedophile fear-mongering male-sexuality-demonizing society. Men have no male influence growing up anymore, it’s all women raising them and teaching them how to act, and it seeps down into their body language, their voice tonality, their ability to express their opinions, etc.

In another time a lot of these guys would become good strong men, but not in this society the way it is. There’s pushback in adulthood, they discover the red pill or sources of male influence that can help them, but from babyhood to college they are essentially helpless prisoners of a society that views them as simply dysfunctional girls.

“I just need to find a college campus with attractive females to capitalize on it. As is, this place just ain’t doin it but I can see the potential.”

Life is short and you’re going to get older. At some point your dick won’t work anymore. If it’s feasable or even if it requires a little effort, I recommend moving to a major college town and living near the bars (or campus if you like daygame). You can live out in a quiet suburb full of 4s when your dick stops working lol


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“Particularly if they can get eye contact with me.”

When you consider it from their perspective, not only is it rare for her to get actual steady unwavering sexual eye-contact from a man, but there’s a good chance that she’s literally never seen that till the age of 18. Watch the eyes of the boys as they interact with her and you’ll find that they look everywhere like squirrels and try to constantly fill silences etc. It’s a surreal gina tingles experience to a lot of them just to make steady unwavering eye-contact with a man…and if you close the gap on her (get your face closer to hers) the sexual tension and butterflies blast through the roof. Bumping up my eye contact (the Liam McRae and Gambler vids I always link, click my name and search my archive) has made the single biggest difference in my game in years…I can build massive sexual tension FAST without needing kino or fancy verbals, compared to when I was younger running high-fiving high-kino flashy-verbals game (I still do flashy verbals for my own self-amusement tho, I’m naturally verbose).

“I can see the dynamic you’re talking about (I had been wondering if it was a possibility and if the trends were true before this”

It’s the natural result of a feminized every-man-who-interacts-with-kids-is-a-pedophile fear-mongering male-sexuality-demonizing society. Men have no male influence growing up anymore, it’s all women raising them and teaching them how to act, and it seeps down into their body language, their voice tonality, their ability to express their opinions, etc.

In another time a lot of these guys would become good strong men, but not in this society the way it is. There’s pushback in adulthood, they discover the red pill or sources of male influence that can help them, but from babyhood to college they are essentially helpless prisoners of a society that views them as simply dysfunctional girls.

“I just need to find a college campus with attractive females to capitalize on it. As is, this place just ain’t doin it but I can see the potential.”

Life is short and you’re going to get older. At some point your dick won’t work anymore. If it’s feasable or even if it requires a little effort, I recommend moving to a major college town and living near the bars (or campus if you like daygame). You can live out in a quiet suburb full of 4s when your dick stops working lol


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lol don’t worry I know what you’re asking. I wondered the same shit back in the day. Here’s my spergy technical answer:

I focus on their left eye (so from my point of view it’s the eye on the right). I read that the shit on the right side of our body is connected to the left side of the brain and vice-versa, and that the right side of the brain is the creative emotional side and the left is the logical side, a lot of people say focus on their left eye so the wiring is going up to the emotional side of their brain.

No idea if that’s all just bullshit though. The reality is you have to focus somewhere and like you say you can’t focus on two points at once. So I pick their left eye just incase that shit IS true, and stick with it.

If you watch eye-contact in movies (and in real life of course) you’ll see girls eyes dart from the guy’s left to right eye and back over and over during highly charged up-close pre-kiss moments. I have zero basis whatsoever for this aside from logic but my thinking is the girl is scanning both your eyes to make 100% sure that you’re legit in that moment in almost an “I can’t believe it is this really happening?? Who IS this guy?? I’ve never met someone this amazing before and I want to know it’s for real!!” sort of feeling so she’s looking to see any flinching or doubt or uncertainty etc. in your eyes.

So what I like to do is lock an eye and then when I get in closer (like 6-12 inches away from eachother’s face) and we’re having a one on one deep conversation, when she says something that I want her to think has intrigued me, I’ll start darting my eyes back and forth like I’m thinking “wow, is this girl for real?? who IS this girl I’ve met??” like she just hit me in my core somewhere and I’m trying to figure her out…she’s finally “won” by having some kind of emotional impact on me.

Then I’ll settle it down and game as normal, but I find that little moment tends to boost the tension a lot. It’s like giving her an ioi without verbalizing it and because it’s so subtle she assumes it’s real because who would be crazy enough to fake that…lol

There’s something primal about looking people in the eye VS looking at her ear or the middle of her nose etc. No idea what it is but my running theory is it causes the same surreal connection feeling in guys and girls, but guys deal with that weird offputting uncomfortable feeling by getting aggressive to get you to stop it because they don’t want to look away like a bitch but it’s too weird to just let it happen so they have to address it directly to stop it and be like “You got a problem, bro?” aggressively, while girls turn it into gina tingles and butterflies in the stomach and may look down and blush etc but they’ll look back up again for more because they like the feeling (since fear and excitement are basically the same thing) and if they don’t look up again and have to keep dodging my eyes because the feeling is too intense I’ll usually call them out on it softly like “how come you can’t look me in the eyes…are you shy? That’s cute.” in a low voice that’s kind of teasing her a little and gets her to look in my eyes again.

The distance is a big key component. I can lock eyes with a waitress or something (me sitting and her standing taking an order etc.) and come off confident and that’s cool and all, but I can’t get a lot of sexual tension that way. But a girl where I can lock eyes and cut the space on her so I get up closer with my eyes locked, that seems to blow the sexual tension through the roof.

One way to demonstrate how much of a difference distance makes: tell your bro to help you with an experiment but don’t tell him what you’re going to do. Stand a ways away from him and talk and hold relaxed eye-contact, it won’t be a big deal. But start taking steps toward him and hold that relaxed eye-contact (lazy bedroom eyes like after you’ve had sex, is the best way to describe it) and you’ll find once you cross a certain distance like around the 12″ range it gets SUPER FUCKIN SQUICKY and he’ll get the heebie jeebies and be like “OK STOP!” and back up or tense up or whatever lol Because it just gets too weird. But I think that same feeling, for women, translates into gina tingles. Same thing with like, lightly stroking his back, it’ll weird him the fuck out out but do it to a girl you have attraction with and it’ll turn her on.

#NOHOMO lol


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lol don’t worry I know what you’re asking. I wondered the same shit back in the day. Here’s my spergy technical answer:

I focus on their left eye (so from my point of view it’s the eye on the right). I read that the shit on the right side of our body is connected to the left side of the brain and vice-versa, and that the right side of the brain is the creative emotional side and the left is the logical side, a lot of people say focus on their left eye so the wiring is going up to the emotional side of their brain.

No idea if that’s all just bullshit though. The reality is you have to focus somewhere and like you say you can’t focus on two points at once. So I pick their left eye just incase that shit IS true, and stick with it.

If you watch eye-contact in movies (and in real life of course) you’ll see girls eyes dart from the guy’s left to right eye and back over and over during highly charged up-close pre-kiss moments. I have zero basis whatsoever for this aside from logic but my thinking is the girl is scanning both your eyes to make 100% sure that you’re legit in that moment in almost an “I can’t believe it is this really happening?? Who IS this guy?? I’ve never met someone this amazing before and I want to know it’s for real!!” sort of feeling so she’s looking to see any flinching or doubt or uncertainty etc. in your eyes.

So what I like to do is lock an eye and then when I get in closer (like 6-12 inches away from eachother’s face) and we’re having a one on one deep conversation, when she says something that I want her to think has intrigued me, I’ll start darting my eyes back and forth like I’m thinking “wow, is this girl for real?? who IS this girl I’ve met??” like she just hit me in my core somewhere and I’m trying to figure her out…she’s finally “won” by having some kind of emotional impact on me.

Then I’ll settle it down and game as normal, but I find that little moment tends to boost the tension a lot. It’s like giving her an ioi without verbalizing it and because it’s so subtle she assumes it’s real because who would be crazy enough to fake that…lol

There’s something primal about looking people in the eye VS looking at her ear or the middle of her nose etc. No idea what it is but my running theory is it causes the same surreal connection feeling in guys and girls, but guys deal with that weird offputting uncomfortable feeling by getting aggressive to get you to stop it because they don’t want to look away like a bitch but it’s too weird to just let it happen so they have to address it directly to stop it and be like “You got a problem, bro?” aggressively, while girls turn it into gina tingles and butterflies in the stomach and may look down and blush etc but they’ll look back up again for more because they like the feeling (since fear and excitement are basically the same thing) and if they don’t look up again and have to keep dodging my eyes because the feeling is too intense I’ll usually call them out on it softly like “how come you can’t look me in the eyes…are you shy? That’s cute.” in a low voice that’s kind of teasing her a little and gets her to look in my eyes again.

The distance is a big key component. I can lock eyes with a waitress or something (me sitting and her standing taking an order etc.) and come off confident and that’s cool and all, but I can’t get a lot of sexual tension that way. But a girl where I can lock eyes and cut the space on her so I get up closer with my eyes locked, that seems to blow the sexual tension through the roof.

One way to demonstrate how much of a difference distance makes: tell your bro to help you with an experiment but don’t tell him what you’re going to do. Stand a ways away from him and talk and hold relaxed eye-contact, it won’t be a big deal. But start taking steps toward him and hold that relaxed eye-contact (lazy bedroom eyes like after you’ve had sex, is the best way to describe it) and you’ll find once you cross a certain distance like around the 12″ range it gets SUPER FUCKIN SQUICKY and he’ll get the heebie jeebies and be like “OK STOP!” and back up or tense up or whatever lol Because it just gets too weird. But I think that same feeling, for women, translates into gina tingles. Same thing with like, lightly stroking his back, it’ll weird him the fuck out out but do it to a girl you have attraction with and it’ll turn her on.

#NOHOMO lol


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When you lock eyes legit, you’ll find it’s hard for her to tear her eyes away from yours and vice-versa. My buddy describes it as holding two magnets near eachother, they instinctively want to stay locked and trying to pull them away feels a little difficult like they linger behind until you get your head turned far enough and then you’re free again. It’s a trippy little thing and I don’t understand the actual science of what’s going on but it’s pretty consistent.

“If your focus is too narrow you won’t be able to tell if they’re starting to throw a kick or a punch or what they’re doing”

The interesting thing is that when you get good at doing this you’ll understand why looks don’t matter. When you lock laser eyes with a girl, she gets tunnel vision and basically everything else fades to black for her and the noise dies down and for some reason she seems to be able to hear your voice more clearly (I purposely lower my voice and they seem to pick up on the jist of what I’m saying more clearly than if I was trying to shout into her ear over the music, it’s weird).

But like, she can’t see my beer belly, she can’t see how nice my shoes are, she can’t see if I’m wearing a nice watch, she can’t even tell what shirt I’m wearing (unless she’s observed me beforehand and purposely taken note of that stuff, but like if I cold approach her out of nowhere and can lock lasers she’ll have no idea what the rest of me looks like).

A funny game is to lock lasers and talk for a min and then tell her to close her eyes and cover them so she can’t see, then ask her what’s on your shirt or what color shirt it is or what color your shoes are etc, she’ll usually have absolutely no idea.

So you can build attraction with this and she just feels that when you look at her or she’s around you she gets tingles and can’t explain why she’s attracted to you because objectively you might not be her type, and she’ll say there’s just “something” about you or she’ll describe feeling butterflies in her stomach etc, but you can actually create this effect deliberately by doing this on purpose lol

It’s really interesting, I’ve been focusing on it a lot this year and I literally don’t even know how I was picking girls up before this. Actually that’s not true, I was instinctively DOING this at times, and accidentally stumbling into locking laser eyes on the girls and I was getting massive attraction fast from it but I didn’t KNOW I was doing it and I wasn’t always doing it it was just by fluke I happened to do it. Now I understand the actual mechanics of it and I can do it with pretty much any girl I’m talking to. That’s why now I prefer to sit across from them on a Day2 instead of beside them even tho beside them would be easier kino. I find I can build WAY more sexual tension through eye-contact than kino.

The best part is no one can really tell what’s going on. It doesn’t look like anything to people watching, they just see there’s some kind of amazing chemistry going on but it doesn’t look like you’re macking the girl. So it’s extra useful in mixed sets where you want to be subtle.


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@Softek
When you lock eyes legit, you’ll find it’s hard for her to tear her eyes away from yours and vice-versa. My buddy describes it as holding two magnets near eachother, they instinctively want to stay locked and trying to pull them away feels a little difficult like they linger behind until you get your head turned far enough and then you’re free again. It’s a trippy little thing and I don’t understand the actual science of what’s going on but it’s pretty consistent.

“If your focus is too narrow you won’t be able to tell if they’re starting to throw a kick or a punch or what they’re doing”

The interesting thing is that when you get good at doing this you’ll understand why looks don’t matter. When you lock laser eyes with a girl, she gets tunnel vision and basically everything else fades to black for her and the noise dies down and for some reason she seems to be able to hear your voice more clearly (I purposely lower my voice and they seem to pick up on the jist of what I’m saying more clearly than if I was trying to shout into her ear over the music, it’s weird).

But like, she can’t see my beer belly, she can’t see how nice my shoes are, she can’t see if I’m wearing a nice watch, she can’t even tell what shirt I’m wearing (unless she’s observed me beforehand and purposely taken note of that stuff, but like if I cold approach her out of nowhere and can lock lasers she’ll have no idea what the rest of me looks like).

A funny game is to lock lasers and talk for a min and then tell her to close her eyes and cover them so she can’t see, then ask her what’s on your shirt or what color shirt it is or what color your shoes are etc, she’ll usually have absolutely no idea.

So you can build attraction with this and she just feels that when you look at her or she’s around you she gets tingles and can’t explain why she’s attracted to you because objectively you might not be her type, and she’ll say there’s just “something” about you or she’ll describe feeling butterflies in her stomach etc, but you can actually create this effect deliberately by doing this on purpose lol

It’s really interesting, I’ve been focusing on it a lot this year and I literally don’t even know how I was picking girls up before this. Actually that’s not true, I was instinctively DOING this at times, and accidentally stumbling into locking laser eyes on the girls and I was getting massive attraction fast from it but I didn’t KNOW I was doing it and I wasn’t always doing it it was just by fluke I happened to do it. Now I understand the actual mechanics of it and I can do it with pretty much any girl I’m talking to. That’s why now I prefer to sit across from them on a Day2 instead of beside them even tho beside them would be easier kino. I find I can build WAY more sexual tension through eye-contact than kino.

The best part is no one can really tell what’s going on. It doesn’t look like anything to people watching, they just see there’s some kind of amazing chemistry going on but it doesn’t look like you’re macking the girl. So it’s extra useful in mixed sets where you want to be subtle.


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“Sustain that contact for too long and it triggers defensiveness (creepy) because women interpret it as confrontational (attack posturing).”

I agree with the rest of your comment and know the mechanic you’re talking about (I learned the same thing in martial arts when I was younger) but this is something I disagree with now for seduction. The PUA community taught the same thing, where you want to make eye contact but if you hold it too long it becomes creepy…and also we focused a lot on avoiding giving girls eye-contact easily like be aloof and look around instead of giving her your full attention.

But after a lot of experimenting I find there’s no “too long” to this if you do it right (examples below).

The consistent pattern that seems to happen is:

1) We’re engaged in convo
2) I focus on an eye as she’s yapping away
3) She looks me in the eye as well and continues yapping for another 5-10 seconds, nothing unusual yet

But then 4) after 5-10 seconds it’s as if her brain catches up to what’s happening and suddenly realizes I’m staring a little longer than I needed to and the best way my buddy and I can describe it is it’s like the point where the lasers “lock in” and it triggers tingles in her that catch her off guard

5) As soon as that lock in point happens she’ll often trail off mid-sentence or start fumbling her words or forget what she was saying, or if she’s done talking she’ll say “…what??” with a smile, she’ll often mirror your motions too (raise a hand up to scratch your head and she’ll raise her hand up to adjust her hair) etc. She might glance away here because it’s intense but she’ll always look back wanting to experience it again.

6) On top of it I find it becomes the opposite of the martial arts peripheral thing, she becomes less aware of everything around her and it’s like a bubble forms around the two of you. Her friends can be shouting at her or waving at her or some AMOG can be trying to talk to her and she doesn’t register any of it, once that lock in point hits it’s like everything fades to black except your eyes to her. I know it sounds retarded lol but I use this to keep a girl’s attention through cockblocks and stuff.

7) From this lock-in point if I do stuff like slow my own speech down and introduce a lot of pauses our conversation will turn to pure fluff and just be like “ya…that’s cool……you like that thing huh?” “ya……I like it…….it’s cool…” “ya….” “ya….” like it’s just nonsense because we’re sub-communicating now and the words don’t really matter anymore.

8) And from this point if I cut the space and step/lean my face a little closer to hers, the sexual tension will start blowing through the roof exponentially with every inch I get closer…I don’t look away at all, there’s no “it’s too long he’s a serial killer it’s creepy”, it’s just pure attraction spiking off the charts.

This is a really consistent pattern and my buddy finds the exact same thing. This can be done with no previous attraction either, like you can be having a 100% platonic conversation with some store clerk chick and if you lock eyes and slow down and leave pauses etc. after about 10 seconds she’ll lock-in and you’ll feel it feels “different” and the convo will trail off and you’ll see her getting attracted.

I think the big key is that it’s RELAXED eye-contact, it’s the lazy eye-contact that you make after having sex where it’s kind of droopy eye-lids thinking about sex, VS intense eye-contact.

The guy in the 50 Shades of Grey movie doesn’t do it right, he makes the CREEPY intense kind of eye-contact. I legit think they told him “eye-contact is sexy so stare at her a lot” and he just went with what most people would do by default when told that.

Check his eye-contact here, it’s just bug-eyed intense weird creepy shit that isn’t attractive:

(0:42, 1:32, 1:39 in this trailer, this is bad eye-contact that will turn creepy)

It’s too intense and aggressive/hostile. This is what most people think to do when you say “look at her with intense eye-contact tho” because that makes sense right?

But contrast that with the lazy relaxed bedroom-eyes sexual eye-contact James Franco is giving here:

(from 1:44 on but especially at 2:20 and after the other guy enters the room skip to 7:50)

It’s a very different kind of eye-contact, this is the kind you would make if you’d just banged a chick out and were in that post-sex afterglow daze just admiring her as a sex object while she yaps away or walks around your apartment naked. It’s intense but in a different way…sexually intense instead of aggressively intense and there’s a slight bit of a knowing smile/eye-crinkle to it like you know a secret about her. You don’t have to close your eyelids as much as franco does he’s just a weirdly squinty-eyed dude, but like, that’s the most exaggerated version of it.

There is NO LIMIT to doing the Franco style eye-contact, there’s NO point where that becomes “creepy” to her, it’s 100% a turn-on and spikes attraction.

These are retardedly small nuances but this is the level a chick’s brain works on, guys won’t pick up a lot of this stuff but for girls being able to read these little cues (even if they’re reading them subconsciously/instinctively) is the difference between accidentally reproducing with a beta or getting raped or wasting time on a guy who’s pretending to be an alpha etc. or finding a legit “sexworthy” alpha that has her wondering why she can’t help but melt when he looks in her eyes and feels like he sees her soul and all that shit.

(personally I don’t subscribe to woowoo ideas about energy and vibe so my theory is that I think it’s some kind of stimulus overload, like you can take in a bunch of little subcommunication signals at a time to form quick judgements of people and situations, but maybe the eye is just such a complicated kaleidoscope of stimulus that it’s an overload of shit to take in at once, kind of like looking directly into the sun or one of those laser pointers it’s just too much all at once because people show SO MUCH emotion in their eyes, but this is based 100% on bro-science and just my own way of describing it lol)

Anyway there you go. Try it out the next time a girl is yapping at you. Experiment with it and practice getting to that lock-in point…you can do it on pretty much any girl anywhere at any time. Also you’ll find strippers do this to you too, they’re pros at it. When I do it to them they’re able to hold it with me but don’t fall into the lock-in daze that normal girls do, they view it as more of a challenge because they’re on shift and expecting to have a little battle they want to win if you try it on them. But with normal girls who aren’t expecting it it hits them hard. The strippers will do it to normal guys because they know it builds the feeling of a deeper connection with the guy.

I actually had to unwire a lot of bad “don’t stare too long or she’ll think you’re creepy or that she’s too high-value” wiring when I started messing with this (and STILL have to remind myself consciously to do it a lot of the time). And to be fair I think a newbie trying this WOULD come off creepy because he doesn’t know how to subcommunicate the right shit when he does it so he ends up like Christian Grey in that trailer instead of James Franco. But I think guys who are intermediate/advanced should be looking into this. Again check the Liam McRae and Gambler vids on eye-contact that are in my archive (click my name) for breakdowns of this mechanic.

You can use VERY little external game if you get this shit down. Like you don’t need kino and can get away with minimal/weak verbals because it’s all communicating on that subcommunication level. My way of describing it is it’s like you’re having a conversation above the table with the girl and that’s what everyone else sees, but when you lock-in you switch to having a REAL conversation via text message underneath the table and no one else really sees it or can read it but you end up paying less attention to what you’re saying above the table because the REAL conversation is happening under the table between you two. It sounds weird but try it out for a while and you’ll understand what I’m trying to describe lol


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“Sustain that contact for too long and it triggers defensiveness (creepy) because women interpret it as confrontational (attack posturing).”

I agree with the rest of your comment and know the mechanic you’re talking about (I learned the same thing in martial arts when I was younger) but this is something I disagree with now for seduction. The PUA community taught the same thing, where you want to make eye contact but if you hold it too long it becomes creepy…and also we focused a lot on avoiding giving girls eye-contact easily like be aloof and look around instead of giving her your full attention.

But after a lot of experimenting I find there’s no “too long” to this if you do it right (examples below).

The consistent pattern that seems to happen is:

1) We’re engaged in convo
2) I focus on an eye as she’s yapping away
3) She looks me in the eye as well and continues yapping for another 5-10 seconds, nothing unusual yet

But then 4) after 5-10 seconds it’s as if her brain catches up to what’s happening and suddenly realizes I’m staring a little longer than I needed to and the best way my buddy and I can describe it is it’s like the point where the lasers “lock in” and it triggers tingles in her that catch her off guard

5) As soon as that lock in point happens she’ll often trail off mid-sentence or start fumbling her words or forget what she was saying, or if she’s done talking she’ll say “…what??” with a smile, she’ll often mirror your motions too (raise a hand up to scratch your head and she’ll raise her hand up to adjust her hair) etc. She might glance away here because it’s intense but she’ll always look back wanting to experience it again.

6) On top of it I find it becomes the opposite of the martial arts peripheral thing, she becomes less aware of everything around her and it’s like a bubble forms around the two of you. Her friends can be shouting at her or waving at her or some AMOG can be trying to talk to her and she doesn’t register any of it, once that lock in point hits it’s like everything fades to black except your eyes to her. I know it sounds retarded lol but I use this to keep a girl’s attention through cockblocks and stuff.

7) From this lock-in point if I do stuff like slow my own speech down and introduce a lot of pauses our conversation will turn to pure fluff and just be like “ya…that’s cool……you like that thing huh?” “ya……I like it…….it’s cool…” “ya….” “ya….” like it’s just nonsense because we’re sub-communicating now and the words don’t really matter anymore.

8) And from this point if I cut the space and step/lean my face a little closer to hers, the sexual tension will start blowing through the roof exponentially with every inch I get closer…I don’t look away at all, there’s no “it’s too long he’s a serial killer it’s creepy”, it’s just pure attraction spiking off the charts.

This is a really consistent pattern and my buddy finds the exact same thing. This can be done with no previous attraction either, like you can be having a 100% platonic conversation with some store clerk chick and if you lock eyes and slow down and leave pauses etc. after about 10 seconds she’ll lock-in and you’ll feel it feels “different” and the convo will trail off and you’ll see her getting attracted.

I think the big key is that it’s RELAXED eye-contact, it’s the lazy eye-contact that you make after having sex where it’s kind of droopy eye-lids thinking about sex, VS intense eye-contact.

The guy in the 50 Shades of Grey movie doesn’t do it right, he makes the CREEPY intense kind of eye-contact. I legit think they told him “eye-contact is sexy so stare at her a lot” and he just went with what most people would do by default when told that.

Check his eye-contact here, it’s just bug-eyed intense weird creepy shit that isn’t attractive:

(0:42, 1:32, 1:39 in this trailer, this is bad eye-contact that will turn creepy)

It’s too intense and aggressive/hostile. This is what most people think to do when you say “look at her with intense eye-contact tho” because that makes sense right?

But contrast that with the lazy relaxed bedroom-eyes sexual eye-contact James Franco is giving here:

(from 1:44 on but especially at 2:20 and after the other guy enters the room skip to 7:50)

It’s a very different kind of eye-contact, this is the kind you would make if you’d just banged a chick out and were in that post-sex afterglow daze just admiring her as a sex object while she yaps away or walks around your apartment naked. It’s intense but in a different way…sexually intense instead of aggressively intense and there’s a slight bit of a knowing smile/eye-crinkle to it like you know a secret about her. You don’t have to close your eyelids as much as franco does he’s just a weirdly squinty-eyed dude, but like, that’s the most exaggerated version of it.

There is NO LIMIT to doing the Franco style eye-contact, there’s NO point where that becomes “creepy” to her, it’s 100% a turn-on and spikes attraction.

These are retardedly small nuances but this is the level a chick’s brain works on, guys won’t pick up a lot of this stuff but for girls being able to read these little cues (even if they’re reading them subconsciously/instinctively) is the difference between accidentally reproducing with a beta or getting raped or wasting time on a guy who’s pretending to be an alpha etc. or finding a legit “sexworthy” alpha that has her wondering why she can’t help but melt when he looks in her eyes and feels like he sees her soul and all that shit.

(personally I don’t subscribe to woowoo ideas about energy and vibe so my theory is that I think it’s some kind of stimulus overload, like you can take in a bunch of little subcommunication signals at a time to form quick judgements of people and situations, but maybe the eye is just such a complicated kaleidoscope of stimulus that it’s an overload of shit to take in at once, kind of like looking directly into the sun or one of those laser pointers it’s just too much all at once because people show SO MUCH emotion in their eyes, but this is based 100% on bro-science and just my own way of describing it lol)

Anyway there you go. Try it out the next time a girl is yapping at you. Experiment with it and practice getting to that lock-in point…you can do it on pretty much any girl anywhere at any time. Also you’ll find strippers do this to you too, they’re pros at it. When I do it to them they’re able to hold it with me but don’t fall into the lock-in daze that normal girls do, they view it as more of a challenge because they’re on shift and expecting to have a little battle they want to win if you try it on them. But with normal girls who aren’t expecting it it hits them hard. The strippers will do it to normal guys because they know it builds the feeling of a deeper connection with the guy.

I actually had to unwire a lot of bad “don’t stare too long or she’ll think you’re creepy or that she’s too high-value” wiring when I started messing with this (and STILL have to remind myself consciously to do it a lot of the time). And to be fair I think a newbie trying this WOULD come off creepy because he doesn’t know how to subcommunicate the right shit when he does it so he ends up like Christian Grey in that trailer instead of James Franco. But I think guys who are intermediate/advanced should be looking into this. Again check the Liam McRae and Gambler vids on eye-contact that are in my archive (click my name) for breakdowns of this mechanic.

You can use VERY little external game if you get this shit down. Like you don’t need kino and can get away with minimal/weak verbals because it’s all communicating on that subcommunication level. My way of describing it is it’s like you’re having a conversation above the table with the girl and that’s what everyone else sees, but when you lock-in you switch to having a REAL conversation via text message underneath the table and no one else really sees it or can read it but you end up paying less attention to what you’re saying above the table because the REAL conversation is happening under the table between you two. It sounds weird but try it out for a while and you’ll understand what I’m trying to describe lol


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Speaking of men in demand:

Apparently that’s the OWNER OF THE SHOP taking/posting the pic of him and directing the mob. Looks like these posters worked:

This is both surreal and awesome. I don’t even want to go out this weekend, I just want to stay in and reload RVF over and over. I’m on the edge of my seat over here lol


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Speaking of men in demand:

Apparently that’s the OWNER OF THE SHOP taking/posting the pic of him and directing the mob. Looks like these posters worked:

This is both surreal and awesome. I don’t even want to go out this weekend, I just want to stay in and reload RVF over and over. I’m on the edge of my seat over here lol


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YaReally
on August 8th, 2015 at 12:40 am
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Totally staying in tonight, this shit is too good to miss lol:

Not just to make fun of Roosh, but the way this is edited. They interview the first main feminist chick that went after him and she’s FULLY playing the victim card and hyping him up as a monster who’s dangerous to women in general, and her blurred out friend who’s again fearing for her life etc, full on damsel in distress.

And they snip clips of his videos/articles so that he’s making WAY worse sounding statements than he actually was if you watch the full video. And they have a lawyery dude in full white knight mode.

The average person seeing this isn’t going to research Roosh’s work and see “oh the rape thing was a parody like Jonathan Swift, that’s actually pretty clever”, they’re just going to see scared helpless women and “the things he’s doing are most definitely illegal” etc.

I know we all KNOW this is going to happen, but seeing it with one of our own that we all know and have seen the articles/videos they’re editing etc. is pretty fascinating and I hope the MGTOWs/MRAs/etc. who interviewed for that BBC documentary are paying attention…the media has a narrative to fill and they WILL fill it no matter what you say or do. If you don’t do anything they can use, they’ll just edit around you and show what other people say ABOUT you instead, ideally from a scared girl.

@Rollo
Feel free to tell me to knock off the Roosh spamming here lol but 1) there’s nowhere else to really discuss it and 2) I legit think there are a lot of lessons to learn from this fiasco with regards to mainstream acceptance of red pill views and seeing how the narratives are upheld and how cut-throat women can react and lie and play up damsel tropes when they want something done (and need men to do it for them), etc.

Roosh is balancing a very thin line between enough hate mob action to get him publicity and too much hate mob action that turns into an actual dangerous situ. He’s lucky Canadians don’t carry around guns or I could see a revved up white knight frustrated type looking to save all the princesses the next time his photo’s taken at a coffee shop.


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YaReally
on August 8th, 2015 at 12:40 am
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Totally staying in tonight, this shit is too good to miss lol:

Not just to make fun of Roosh, but the way this is edited. They interview the first main feminist chick that went after him and she’s FULLY playing the victim card and hyping him up as a monster who’s dangerous to women in general, and her blurred out friend who’s again fearing for her life etc, full on damsel in distress.

And they snip clips of his videos/articles so that he’s making WAY worse sounding statements than he actually was if you watch the full video. And they have a lawyery dude in full white knight mode.

The average person seeing this isn’t going to research Roosh’s work and see “oh the rape thing was a parody like Jonathan Swift, that’s actually pretty clever”, they’re just going to see scared helpless women and “the things he’s doing are most definitely illegal” etc.

I know we all KNOW this is going to happen, but seeing it with one of our own that we all know and have seen the articles/videos they’re editing etc. is pretty fascinating and I hope the MGTOWs/MRAs/etc. who interviewed for that BBC documentary are paying attention…the media has a narrative to fill and they WILL fill it no matter what you say or do. If you don’t do anything they can use, they’ll just edit around you and show what other people say ABOUT you instead, ideally from a scared girl.

@Rollo
Feel free to tell me to knock off the Roosh spamming here lol but 1) there’s nowhere else to really discuss it and 2) I legit think there are a lot of lessons to learn from this fiasco with regards to mainstream acceptance of red pill views and seeing how the narratives are upheld and how cut-throat women can react and lie and play up damsel tropes when they want something done (and need men to do it for them), etc.

Roosh is balancing a very thin line between enough hate mob action to get him publicity and too much hate mob action that turns into an actual dangerous situ. He’s lucky Canadians don’t carry around guns or I could see a revved up white knight frustrated type looking to save all the princesses the next time his photo’s taken at a coffee shop.


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YaReally
on August 8th, 2015 at 12:50 am
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While I think these convention things are dangerous for doxxing etc, they can produce a lot of valuable information. The 21 Convention does a similar thing:

http://www.the21convention.com/video-library/

They bring in guys well-versed in everything, not just pickup, half of the speakers don’t even study pickup but they’re really good at like, finances, or business, or philosophy/mindsets, or exercise/nutrition etc. and give speeches to the young dudes who are at the prime age to take that info in and apply it to their lives and the vids are posted all over YouTube so lots of guys stumble across them.

If you’re looking to do more speaking engagements you might want to contact the 21 Convention and see about speaking there, I don’t think anyone is teaching those young dudes about Hypergamy and that’s an audience that would benefit a lot from learning this stuff. I was huge into pickup for years and had never had someone break down Hypergamy (or heard the word) till your blog, it’s not a concept we go into depth on in the PUA community (we instead focus on telling guys to be/stay high-value, VS breaking down the actual mechanics of Hypergamy and why it exists and how it manifests with relatable examples)

It’s also run pretty pro looking and would be good exposure for your books and getting guys to pick up copies and round out their pickup knowledge with the “why” behind the “how”…that’s how I’d pitch your talk lol


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YaReally
on August 8th, 2015 at 12:50 am
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While I think these convention things are dangerous for doxxing etc, they can produce a lot of valuable information. The 21 Convention does a similar thing:

http://www.the21convention.com/video-library/

They bring in guys well-versed in everything, not just pickup, half of the speakers don’t even study pickup but they’re really good at like, finances, or business, or philosophy/mindsets, or exercise/nutrition etc. and give speeches to the young dudes who are at the prime age to take that info in and apply it to their lives and the vids are posted all over YouTube so lots of guys stumble across them.

If you’re looking to do more speaking engagements you might want to contact the 21 Convention and see about speaking there, I don’t think anyone is teaching those young dudes about Hypergamy and that’s an audience that would benefit a lot from learning this stuff. I was huge into pickup for years and had never had someone break down Hypergamy (or heard the word) till your blog, it’s not a concept we go into depth on in the PUA community (we instead focus on telling guys to be/stay high-value, VS breaking down the actual mechanics of Hypergamy and why it exists and how it manifests with relatable examples)

It’s also run pretty pro looking and would be good exposure for your books and getting guys to pick up copies and round out their pickup knowledge with the “why” behind the “how”…that’s how I’d pitch your talk lol


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YaReally
on August 8th, 2015 at 4:28 am
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@Rollo
I agree. I think the hard part for me to process it is that I haven’t actually seen someone purposely TRY to become notorious in a negative hated way before.

Like I’ve met a lot of people but most of them are either trying to avoid being hated, or simply don’t care if they’re hated, or who’ve done things for a good reason and accept that they will probably BE hated for it…this is the first time I can think of where I’ve seen someone who’s work/attitude/etc. I know fairly well, purposely TRY to be hated simply FOR the notoriety (and cashing in on it). Like taking that ball and just flat-out running with it, and not hidden behind a character like a Borat trolling type, but flat out “Hi, this is me and my real name and face not a character and I want everyone to know my name in a negative way”.

I can’t relate to it at all..some kind of combination of narcissism and attention-whore complexes combined with recognizing how well the SJW “kick the beehive and cry victim for $ from your supporters” method works and just fusing that all together? I can’t imagine the drive behind it all.

“My concern is that this will snowball out of control of what he’s so obviously planned ahead for and he or someone else gets hurt.”

Ya I agree. The guys who are gonna’ get hurt are the guys around him who are blindly going to go challenge feminists alongside him because they’re caught up in the momentum/emotion of things that they don’t realize “dude maybe it’s not a good plan to have your face on video and eventually identified with a mob of SJWs contacting your employer to tell him you take part in harrassing women and promoting rape culture because look at these quotes from your leader RooshV”

I’m seeing dudes leaving comments on the YouTube vid like “I’m in Montreal, I will help you anyway you need!!” under their real names and pics and shit and it’s like man, have you really thought that thru? I give my buddies shit for just leaving Facebook comments under their real names on controversial issues because they have jobs to keep and families to feed and shit and they don’t grasp that all that stuff is going to live forever on the internet and could destroy their careers down the road.

I mean SAY it, but say it ANONYMOUSLY lol


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YaReally
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@Rollo
I agree. I think the hard part for me to process it is that I haven’t actually seen someone purposely TRY to become notorious in a negative hated way before.

Like I’ve met a lot of people but most of them are either trying to avoid being hated, or simply don’t care if they’re hated, or who’ve done things for a good reason and accept that they will probably BE hated for it…this is the first time I can think of where I’ve seen someone who’s work/attitude/etc. I know fairly well, purposely TRY to be hated simply FOR the notoriety (and cashing in on it). Like taking that ball and just flat-out running with it, and not hidden behind a character like a Borat trolling type, but flat out “Hi, this is me and my real name and face not a character and I want everyone to know my name in a negative way”.

I can’t relate to it at all..some kind of combination of narcissism and attention-whore complexes combined with recognizing how well the SJW “kick the beehive and cry victim for $ from your supporters” method works and just fusing that all together? I can’t imagine the drive behind it all.

“My concern is that this will snowball out of control of what he’s so obviously planned ahead for and he or someone else gets hurt.”

Ya I agree. The guys who are gonna’ get hurt are the guys around him who are blindly going to go challenge feminists alongside him because they’re caught up in the momentum/emotion of things that they don’t realize “dude maybe it’s not a good plan to have your face on video and eventually identified with a mob of SJWs contacting your employer to tell him you take part in harrassing women and promoting rape culture because look at these quotes from your leader RooshV”

I’m seeing dudes leaving comments on the YouTube vid like “I’m in Montreal, I will help you anyway you need!!” under their real names and pics and shit and it’s like man, have you really thought that thru? I give my buddies shit for just leaving Facebook comments under their real names on controversial issues because they have jobs to keep and families to feed and shit and they don’t grasp that all that stuff is going to live forever on the internet and could destroy their careers down the road.

I mean SAY it, but say it ANONYMOUSLY lol


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YaReally
on August 9th, 2015 at 5:42 am
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Speaking of men in demand again…lol:

I missed the part where he decimated the mob in a battle of wits making rational arguments and owning the feminist hate mob with his dazzling display of logic and truth.

Looks to me like a classic “psst buddy keep pretending to hold me back from kicking all their asses” fronting move as they scurry away into hiding. Roosh wearing a wig as a disguise is funny shit though lol

Lots of great social dynamics going on in the video, from the entitlement of women/feminists knowing they have a pussypass to break the law and technically assault someone they disagree with, to white knights jumping to the rescue and revving themselves up to defend the princesses (who are continuing to instigate shit from behind the wall of sausage knights), to mob rage escalating into shoving etc. Props to the dude who was trying to frame control shit staying calm and telling people to calm down.

I know neo-masculinity produces the cream of the crop manliest of badass men ready to confront all feminists head-on, but this just looks like any other “drunk guy pisses off a drunk girl and flips the bird as he runs away to avoid getting beat up” scene you see outside of any Jersey Shore type nightclub at last call lol

The Feminists/SJWs in general are fascinating. They legitimately believe they are above the law, not only recording videos of their assault and posting them online but like, happily signing their real names to it and expecting no reprocussions:

Sounds like the speech was successful though, so good on him and admittedly this is a great victory speech/taunt lol:

I’m not sure how any of this actually helps men really…the people supporting him already supported him and the people who were neutral about him just listen to the media about him and most of the various red pill spheres give no real fucks, so it’s not like anyone’s going to be converted…but then helping men is clearly not the goal. It’s more important to determine which members are the die-hard soldiers who will blindly donate money to you and put their names and faces behind your cause with no thought of self-preservation so you can declare anyone who isn’t die-hard enough to be unworthy and get a really solid foundation of believers for your cult to build off.

Also Roosh has edited/censored my comments before, he gives no fucks about free speech unless it agrees with him, same as Feminists.

Regardless, props to him for pulling the speech off and I eagerly look forward to the next episode of RooshTV, will Toronto double-down to make up for Montreal or will they be deterred and let him speak? Will Big Red make an appearance?? TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR THE EXCITING CONCLUSION! lol


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YaReally
on August 9th, 2015 at 5:42 am
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Speaking of men in demand again…lol:

I missed the part where he decimated the mob in a battle of wits making rational arguments and owning the feminist hate mob with his dazzling display of logic and truth.

Looks to me like a classic “psst buddy keep pretending to hold me back from kicking all their asses” fronting move as they scurry away into hiding. Roosh wearing a wig as a disguise is funny shit though lol

Lots of great social dynamics going on in the video, from the entitlement of women/feminists knowing they have a pussypass to break the law and technically assault someone they disagree with, to white knights jumping to the rescue and revving themselves up to defend the princesses (who are continuing to instigate shit from behind the wall of sausage knights), to mob rage escalating into shoving etc. Props to the dude who was trying to frame control shit staying calm and telling people to calm down.

I know neo-masculinity produces the cream of the crop manliest of badass men ready to confront all feminists head-on, but this just looks like any other “drunk guy pisses off a drunk girl and flips the bird as he runs away to avoid getting beat up” scene you see outside of any Jersey Shore type nightclub at last call lol

The Feminists/SJWs in general are fascinating. They legitimately believe they are above the law, not only recording videos of their assault and posting them online but like, happily signing their real names to it and expecting no reprocussions:

Sounds like the speech was successful though, so good on him and admittedly this is a great victory speech/taunt lol:

I’m not sure how any of this actually helps men really…the people supporting him already supported him and the people who were neutral about him just listen to the media about him and most of the various red pill spheres give no real fucks, so it’s not like anyone’s going to be converted…but then helping men is clearly not the goal. It’s more important to determine which members are the die-hard soldiers who will blindly donate money to you and put their names and faces behind your cause with no thought of self-preservation so you can declare anyone who isn’t die-hard enough to be unworthy and get a really solid foundation of believers for your cult to build off.

Also Roosh has edited/censored my comments before, he gives no fucks about free speech unless it agrees with him, same as Feminists.

Regardless, props to him for pulling the speech off and I eagerly look forward to the next episode of RooshTV, will Toronto double-down to make up for Montreal or will they be deterred and let him speak? Will Big Red make an appearance?? TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR THE EXCITING CONCLUSION! lol


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YaReally
on August 12th, 2015 at 3:29 am
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@Rollo
“And here I thought homosexuals were unwelcome in Neo-Masculinity, pffft,…”

What I’m enjoying most is all the videogame, fantasy movie, scifi movie, etc. videos and memes and quotes (someone was quoting passages out of the Lord of the Rings books) and threads in their forum that everyone in neo-masculinity is using to rally up and motivate themselves for the big battle. Between that and how half of them have videogame reviews and discussions and shit on their YouTube channels it’s like where does that whole “Technological skepticism” tennant come into play, neo-masculinists? When are some of you going to put down the X-Box controller and hit the gym and live off the land and shit like you’re telling other guys to do?

Or maybe what I’m enjoying more is when they post the gifs of goodfellas etc guys in suits all drinking and laughing and being boss as they write how totally accurate that gif represents the talk. Meanwhile Roosh posted actual pics from the talk that shows the students (all of them with black boxes hiding most of their heads but still I sure wouldn’t have done that hope no one was wearing a shirt other people will recognize and end up doxxed) and they’re all just dudes in t-shirts and shit, some badly dressed, a bunch of them not in shape etc. Even the place they had the talk in just looks like a standard looking event hall like a kid’s b’day party it wasn’t tables lined with fancy glassware and chandeliers and origami cloth napkins and shit like they’re making it out to be lol

Full out LARP mode…probably because they aren’t technologically skeptical enough to avoid LARP’ing inspirations lol

It’s hard to pick what part of this whole thing is the funniest but it would take like a week max to pretty much discredit the entire movement literally just based on their own content/actions.

That’s what happens when you take that top-down approach, you have all these guys who are like “ya, neo-masculinity!! Technology sucks!! …except my X-Box. And LotR that’s just a really good movie. And Gladiator, I mean, come on it’s GLADIATOR…and I’m kind of tired, I don’t really wanna hit the gym today I think I’ll write another blog about how fat chicks don’t deserve love as I scarf some more donuts, then get back to my X-Box.” because they don’t have the same value system as the cult leader.

But when you go from the bottom-up, which is how old-school PUA worked, we basically said “look what do YOU want? You don’t even KNOW what you want yet, let’s give you the tools to figure THAT out, and then here are more tools that will help you guide shit toward your personal goals…if you WANT a monoLTR, cool, we’ll help you with that. If you want mLTRs or fuckbuddies or a harem, here’s some shit that will help with that. Just do whatever makes you happy. If you LIKE Warcraft, go ahead and play it but just keep it in check and understand that you have to go out if you want to get a girlfriend and it’s your choice if you want to pursue Warcraft or a girlfriend, and if you just want to fuck random girls and toss them aside, cool, here’s how to do it relatively safely”.

So we were all coming into it to get what speaks to us personally out of it. We were taught to define our own value systems instead of inheriting them from a cult leader and it was a LONG SLOW PROCESS and we knew it WOULD be. Mystery said from day 1 not to clone him he didn’t want little mini-Mystery’s running around, personalize all your routines and RSD constantly stresses being congruent to yourself and your values. (now with the mass commercialization of pickup it’s sometimes veering into “here’s my value system you should adopt it” territory but even then it’s often vague stuff no one would really disagree with like “take care of your body, hit the gym” instead of “no homosexuals allowed” lol and it’s still custom-tailored to getting the type of relationships you want out of the game, if you follow my own writing you’ll never see me tell a guy what he SHOULD value, I’ll only inform him of the realities of what his current value system will lead to and the pros/cons of other values that he may want to consider, but ultimately all I care about is that that guy is happy…he can get married if he WANTS to, but I’ll let him know the realities of marriage and monoLTRs and how it changes power dynamics and the legalities involved etc so that he can make an informed decision…but ultimately if he WANTS to be married and he GETS married and he’s HAPPY being married then I am as happy for him as I am for my player buddy running a harem)

Roosh is essentially saying “all you guys have to want to bang X number of girls of Y type, in Z arrangement to be a part of our cult! Here’s what your views have to be on other subjects too, if you wanna be part of the cool kids club you better get in line and adopt my belief system!”

That can really only work on guys who don’t have much independence and are looking for a leader to follow, which is exactly the type of guy neo-masculinity shouldn’t, on paper, want in its movement, but is perfect for building a cult following into a sustainable profitable lifestyle. He’ll have a Patreon up within a year and probably do fine for himself in the long-run. But that’s okay in neo-masculinity, profiting off teaching guys game was only bad when it was RSD doing it, now that Roosh is doing it it’s so OBVIOUS how necessary and acceptable and brilliant it is lol

Credit where it’s due tho, he handled himself much better in this friendly interview than on Dr Oz lol:

Gavin is a boss and heavily red pill, him making fun of the Dr Oz clips and feminist protests is gold.

P.S. Milo transcends his gayness. I don’t think he’d even be offended by that sentence lol


Men In Demand

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YaReally
on August 12th, 2015 at 3:29 am
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@Rollo
“And here I thought homosexuals were unwelcome in Neo-Masculinity, pffft,…”

What I’m enjoying most is all the videogame, fantasy movie, scifi movie, etc. videos and memes and quotes (someone was quoting passages out of the Lord of the Rings books) and threads in their forum that everyone in neo-masculinity is using to rally up and motivate themselves for the big battle. Between that and how half of them have videogame reviews and discussions and shit on their YouTube channels it’s like where does that whole “Technological skepticism” tennant come into play, neo-masculinists? When are some of you going to put down the X-Box controller and hit the gym and live off the land and shit like you’re telling other guys to do?

Or maybe what I’m enjoying more is when they post the gifs of goodfellas etc guys in suits all drinking and laughing and being boss as they write how totally accurate that gif represents the talk. Meanwhile Roosh posted actual pics from the talk that shows the students (all of them with black boxes hiding most of their heads but still I sure wouldn’t have done that hope no one was wearing a shirt other people will recognize and end up doxxed) and they’re all just dudes in t-shirts and shit, some badly dressed, a bunch of them not in shape etc. Even the place they had the talk in just looks like a standard looking event hall like a kid’s b’day party it wasn’t tables lined with fancy glassware and chandeliers and origami cloth napkins and shit like they’re making it out to be lol

Full out LARP mode…probably because they aren’t technologically skeptical enough to avoid LARP’ing inspirations lol

It’s hard to pick what part of this whole thing is the funniest but it would take like a week max to pretty much discredit the entire movement literally just based on their own content/actions.

That’s what happens when you take that top-down approach, you have all these guys who are like “ya, neo-masculinity!! Technology sucks!! …except my X-Box. And LotR that’s just a really good movie. And Gladiator, I mean, come on it’s GLADIATOR…and I’m kind of tired, I don’t really wanna hit the gym today I think I’ll write another blog about how fat chicks don’t deserve love as I scarf some more donuts, then get back to my X-Box.” because they don’t have the same value system as the cult leader.

But when you go from the bottom-up, which is how old-school PUA worked, we basically said “look what do YOU want? You don’t even KNOW what you want yet, let’s give you the tools to figure THAT out, and then here are more tools that will help you guide shit toward your personal goals…if you WANT a monoLTR, cool, we’ll help you with that. If you want mLTRs or fuckbuddies or a harem, here’s some shit that will help with that. Just do whatever makes you happy. If you LIKE Warcraft, go ahead and play it but just keep it in check and understand that you have to go out if you want to get a girlfriend and it’s your choice if you want to pursue Warcraft or a girlfriend, and if you just want to fuck random girls and toss them aside, cool, here’s how to do it relatively safely”.

So we were all coming into it to get what speaks to us personally out of it. We were taught to define our own value systems instead of inheriting them from a cult leader and it was a LONG SLOW PROCESS and we knew it WOULD be. Mystery said from day 1 not to clone him he didn’t want little mini-Mystery’s running around, personalize all your routines and RSD constantly stresses being congruent to yourself and your values. (now with the mass commercialization of pickup it’s sometimes veering into “here’s my value system you should adopt it” territory but even then it’s often vague stuff no one would really disagree with like “take care of your body, hit the gym” instead of “no homosexuals allowed” lol and it’s still custom-tailored to getting the type of relationships you want out of the game, if you follow my own writing you’ll never see me tell a guy what he SHOULD value, I’ll only inform him of the realities of what his current value system will lead to and the pros/cons of other values that he may want to consider, but ultimately all I care about is that that guy is happy…he can get married if he WANTS to, but I’ll let him know the realities of marriage and monoLTRs and how it changes power dynamics and the legalities involved etc so that he can make an informed decision…but ultimately if he WANTS to be married and he GETS married and he’s HAPPY being married then I am as happy for him as I am for my player buddy running a harem)

Roosh is essentially saying “all you guys have to want to bang X number of girls of Y type, in Z arrangement to be a part of our cult! Here’s what your views have to be on other subjects too, if you wanna be part of the cool kids club you better get in line and adopt my belief system!”

That can really only work on guys who don’t have much independence and are looking for a leader to follow, which is exactly the type of guy neo-masculinity shouldn’t, on paper, want in its movement, but is perfect for building a cult following into a sustainable profitable lifestyle. He’ll have a Patreon up within a year and probably do fine for himself in the long-run. But that’s okay in neo-masculinity, profiting off teaching guys game was only bad when it was RSD doing it, now that Roosh is doing it it’s so OBVIOUS how necessary and acceptable and brilliant it is lol

Credit where it’s due tho, he handled himself much better in this friendly interview than on Dr Oz lol:

Gavin is a boss and heavily red pill, him making fun of the Dr Oz clips and feminist protests is gold.

P.S. Milo transcends his gayness. I don’t think he’d even be offended by that sentence lol


The Denial Of Human Nature As A Barometer Of Societal Illness

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CH, Yareally, Wala, HABD, et al, I may have come up with an original game routine. Never read about it in pua literature.

The other day I’m waiting to cross the street in the fancy urban spwlville where I work, and I saw a self-obsessed young hottie standing nearby for the same reason. A thought crossed my mind — would the following work:

Ask her in a normal, confident, intelligent voice if she could do you a favor — help you cross the street. She’d be puzzled, but there is nothing wierd about you. Importantly, you’re not in the slightest giving an impression of joking or playfully gaming her.

She may hesitantly agree and extend an elbow or grab your elbow like you do to help a blind person. No, you say, hand please. If she gives you her hand, make it where your fingers are interlaced, like on a date. She may at that point recoil… or not. She may giggle and blush but go along with it. Depends on how you play your part. The rest, as the G Manifesto used to say, is up to you. Think it would work?


  • YaReally
    on August 6, 2015 at 5:21 am
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    @PA
    “Think it would work?”

    Field-test it 20 times and let us know.



Sexbot Update

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When realistic sexbots are available, guys not interested in having kids will need girls for what again?


  • MT
    on August 4, 2015 at 12:17 pm
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    Loyal companionship, his cheerleader, heart of the home, a submissive nature to compliment his naturally dominate one, soft heartedness and in the words of the comedian Sinbad, his nurse when he is elderly. Attributes a fembot cannot give.

    [CH: true (well, mostly true, but things change). however, female beauty is necessary if not sufficient to men’s romantic happiness, especially to men with sexual market options (and sexbots would add a lot more options). female beauty is not just necessary to men’s happiness, it is dominating, over every other consideration a man would make when evaluating women for both short- and long-term mate worth. a typical american fatty with attitude to spare has no chance against a sexbot with a pretty face, an attractive BMI, and a perfect hourglass shape.]

    However, a woman who has not betrayed her true feminine nature, usually discovers, fine tunes and perfects those wonderfully feminine attributes when she is married and a mother.


    • YaReally
      on August 4, 2015 at 1:33 pm
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      There’d be a whole lot more of these “moar whyte babies” you all want to save us if people on blogs discussed game and went out and posted field reports and shit instead of 50 page circlejerks of old bitter dudes ranting about race/politics/jews.

      I’ll pop out babies as soon as you volunteer to pay for them and any divorce-rape that comes along with them.


    • YaReally
      on August 4, 2015 at 2:05 pm
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      Oh an anti-game reply from Greg. Shocking. Tell me more about how we need moar whyte babies while making fun of guys learning and teaching game that could lead to the moar whyte babies you want.

      Funny, I thought it was just women and feminists who spend their day bitching & moaning about shit without offering solutions.

      Now if Captain Obvious could reply with some condescending snark my day would be complete!


    • YaReally
      on August 4, 2015 at 4:15 pm
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      @Greg
      “You’ve never heard me badmouth game… not the game that’s useful for solidifying relationships and grabbing the few gals left worthy of our efforts…”

      lol do tell. I’m all ears. You want to help men out, don’t you?



The “Three Boyfriend Blurts” Rule

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walawala
on August 4, 2015 at 5:33 am
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YaReally, Sentient and all… question on flaking and cockblocks and how I handled this. Met girl, 28, HB8, cute while djing at my birthday a week back. Good kino, she was shy, but up for kino. She left before I could number close her. I added her on FB, gamed her, suggested drinks this week, she agreed. I get a text today saying she can’t make Thursday, can we reschedule? Ok, so not a flake. I offer a few days, she agrees on Sunday. Sorted. I tease her about recognizing her because she always changes her appearance. She laughs. All good. A short time later I get this text:

Her: Do you know Joanne? She is my best fd, do you mind she come with me? Coz my English is very bad I just worry about can’t communicate with u

Ok…so this is the hamster spinning. Wonder what changed but ok.

Me: We can use sign language. Smiles. And I’ll practice my Chinese on you. Will be fine. Don’t worry.

No way i’m having a cxxkblock chaperone.

Her: I really want her to accompany me to join our talk. Hope u are also ok with it. Hahahaha :)

Hmmmmmm….am I being friendzoned or is this a way of transferring any awkwardness onto me. I’m not ok with this.

Me: Nah. In that case maybe it’s better we meet up another time when you’re more comfortable.

Her: Ok sure, next time :)

I didn’t reply. This situation of “I don’t speak English” has come up before and I’ve always deflected it with humour and reassurance. The introduction of a chaperone was not ok.

Thoughts? I may see her again out and about, how did I play it? How do I play it? The nearest I can think is she suddenly felt self-conscious about meeting a stranger, her English was a good excuse or maybe she’s truly nervous. But my response was about being non-needy and realizing she would also show this to her friend I wanted to be clear and concise.


  • having a bad day
    on August 4, 2015 at 8:24 am
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    “Thoughts?”

    is joanne hot?…lol…

    why would you assume joanne is a cockblock?…’misunderstand’ hb8’s intent and tell her you would be willing to try a threesome with her friend, but only later after you get to know her first…that should put hb8 into the defensive crouch (assuming she didn’t want a 3some…lol) = tingles…

    hb8 threw you a shit test (bring a friend)…and how did you handle it?…serious question…what was your goal?…and did you get to that goal?…it’s a pretty safe bet that this will come up again, at least with this girl…so, have a plan in your pocket…

    she’s in your social circle, right?…so, ASD is in full force…lol…given your social circle ‘rep’…(good job on that!…lol)…to get this girl, you might have to charm the friend, so suggest one of her hot friends (fbook works both ways…so, assuming joanne isn’t hot, find one of her friends that’s hotter and tell her to bring that girl). then, just treat it like a cold approach and focus on the friend first and let the target win you over…or the other way, if the friend is hotter…easy peasy…lol…

    or, now that i think about it more, you could reset and TELL her to bring joanne…that way it’s your decision and she is complying with you…as opposed to a shit test/ASD defense…then just be ready for a cold approach situ…it’s all a great practice opportunity…lol

    just have fun and don’t be outcome dependent…

    good luck!


    • YaReally
      on August 4, 2015 at 1:50 pm
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      “ASD, yes possibly. Maybe she heard something, maybe she saw something on my Fb photos, it could be a combination.

      Yes this was a sht test to see if she could gain hand and whether I’d be a nice guy and comply.

      My reply was calibrated. “nah.” make it clear this is unacceptable.”

      This is what I was going to say. This is how you’d handle it in North America (or white cultures in general) for sure. And in North America the friend would be there to shit-test the fuck out of you so I would handle it exactly like you did.

      But Older Dude’s comment is probably more appropriate to the culture, you two would be a better judge of that than me so at least read what he said and think about if it matches your situ, that she’s just fobby shy/nervous. It’s possible you just charm the friend then ignore her and she fucks off and leaves her with you, or like Older Dude says just set up a day3 to bang then.

      The sticking to her chaperone plan even tho you can speak Chinese says that it’s not about the language barrier at all or that would’ve assuaged her, so it has to be either 1) she’s shy about meeting a guy alone for whatever reason (maybe a more public venue would help?) and the friend will probably fuck off or not interfere or 2) it’s a North American style situ where the friend is going to be a bitch and test you

      But at this point what’s done is done. From here I wouldn’t initiate any texts or backtrack and be like “actually let’s meet up bring your friend”…I wouldn’t ignore her, but I would make zero effort to meet up again and make responding to her low priority, as punishment. If she’s super shy she won’t suggest meeting up again but will give you text attention at least and then in like 2 weeks when she’s worried you’re never gonna ask her out again you can qualify her on something and say “oh I didn’t know that about you that’s interesting…hey I’m free next week, let’s go for dinner (or whatever, something lower compliance and in public VS “come over in lingerie” lol)”

      If she agrees to meet up and brings her friend like without warning you, you could always just ignore her and flirt with the ugly friend a ton and make her cry so she never brings her friend out again

      I loathe shy girls with low confidence like this lol



Face-Saving Recovery Game

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on August 1, 2015 at 1:41 pm
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@yareally HB10 field report:

Same venue as before in other field report. From holiday weekend. Got there around midnight. Packed with ppl. Went out to patio to get a non alcoholic beverage. Warm up 2set HB6.5: Told them I was a virgin and asked them for their name. One chatted with the other while laughing then said no and backturn. Went to dancefloor ioi from hb6.5. non verbally asked to dance but she gestures at cb. Back to patio. 4 set HB6-7.5. Approach HB7.5 while addressing group and asked who the best kisser in the group was. She says hb6. I go to hb6 and tell her that her friend said she was a good kisser. The girls giggle. She says something then I tell her let’s find out. HB6 says how she isn’t drunk enough yet. Tell her ouch that’s mean. Set dies out.

Mixed 3set HB10tall and HB8.5-9 standing with back against the wall by high table. Guy is talking to one of them then goes inside to dance floor. I consider chickening out as I’m about to head back inside to dancefloor. Decided to say fuck it then walk across their line of sight. Both of them are in ice queen mode with no expression. Damn no encouragement at all. As I wait for the crowd to move neg over the shoulder to HB10tall on how the view is up there. She plays along and says how amazing it is. (This is a really cool girl). See HB8.5-9 is thinking of intervening but chooses to say nothing. Tell HBTall how she looks like she could be a model. Says she’s not but her friend could be (So positive and fun this one). HBfriend says that she’s not tall enough but that hbtall could be. (Positivity all around). HBtall asks me where I’m from. Tell her to guess. She guesses wrong and leans forward as I tell her. She says wow really and I have a slight accent and asks me when I came here. Told her midnight but she was actually asking about my origins. Then told her a long time ago. Then told her that she is from america (playfully). she tells me what state she is from. Tell her she is avoiding the natural environmental hazards in her state. She says sometimes.

Ask her if she is here for the holiday and she responds she’s here for the weekend and she tells me the school she goes to. (Push/pull) I boo her school since I went to a rival school. She tells playfully tells me f you as she kinos my arm. Tell her that we’re supposed to hate each other then. Asks me where my friends are. Gesture in the direction where I was walking before. Asks me if they’re dancing or standing around. Tell her they’re sitting around and that they (2set HBs) are more fun. just a little bit more. They both laugh. Hear guy come up behind me and he starts talking to HBfriend. HBtalls says maybe we’ll bump into each other later. Give positive vibes and ask for her name. She tells me I give more positive vibes and lightly kino her then turn to say something to HBfriend. HBtall tells me laughingly that she’s busy atm.

Walk around and stay out of view of HBtall. When I look back over I see some dudes talking to her but she has a stone face at this time. Ask HB7 to dance but get ignored. Later on I see HBtall still at the same place (she hasn’t moved at all) without HBfriend. She looks bored and tired. Come up and say hi. She perks up saying hey and asks me if I’m having fun. Tell her I am but that she looks tired. Says yeah and asks me if I am. Tell her no I workout a lot, She says she does as well. (This HB is just agreeing with everything I’m saying). She wants to walk around. Asks her if she wants to get something to eat. She declines pausing then says that her stomach is full. (Too soon man). Tell her we’ll go check out the view then. Walk her to edge of patio but still too many ppl blocking the railing. HBtall says that she wants to do a dance mob (What a world they live in). Grabbed her hand then led her to dancefloor. Had fun with her put my drink down then spun her around and she did same for me then we danced close in like in salsa.

Then she says she needs to find her friends. Grabbed her hand again and at some point due to her long legs she gets in front of me and I feel like I’m being led around like a dog on the dancefloor. Still have on a shiteating grin though. We made a lap around the venue (perhaps she wanted to see where my friends were) to where we originally met and I put my back against the wall so she’d face me. Says she needs to text her friends. Tell her ok. It was while she was texting her friend that I started getting needy and thinking I needed to say something. Thinking that I needed to say something so brain starts scanning ch for stuff to say for hb10s. Settled with neil strauss questions that he used on jessica alba. Tap her on shoulder she leans in and use the 3 qualities not on beauty routine… She leans back not saying anything and continues texting her friend. (Facepalm). HBfriend arrives telling her to leave. Hbtall says that it was nice meeting me, tell her the same and I get a mediocre hug. Proceed to bang head against wall. Guys wonder what happened. Girls are hoping I come talk to them. Instead spend next 5-10 minutes banging head against wall.

Decided on doing one more set out on the street before retiring. It’s around 2. Gave no fucks at this point. 3set HB7 leaning against pole, HB6.5 and CB. Approach HB7 “Hey you. What’s your name?” in a julien voice with very intense eyes. HB7 freezes up and goes “ummmmm” while eyecoding friends. CB says she too drunk (I go oh as I start to leave) and tells me to just leave. Night ends.


  • YaReally
    on August 2, 2015 at 2:57 pm
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    Lol props for going for it dude.

    “(This HB is just agreeing with everything I’m saying)”

    Todd from RSD calls this the “hot girl blasé”. Where she just kind of goes along with everything and it’s hard to read her but it’s just cause hot girls tend to be socialized well. An 8 or 9 will often have a chip on their shoulder and be more bitchy or test harder (which builds attraction faster if you pass that stuff so she does herself in by accident) but a 10 passes into a weird territory where she won’t even give you blatant shit-tests to pass and you’re sitting there like “I have no idea if she likes me, she doesn’t seem to DISLIKE me but wtf I’m just talking to a wall of “pleasantness”??”

    I agree with 10×10 on the asking too much compliance stuff. Compliance even from the MM days started with small compliance leading up to larger compliance. Even if she likes you if you ask too much compliance she won’t play along. And some guys have the reverse prob they have all the compliance in the world but won’t pull the trigger. This is a big area of calibration to work on in general.

    There’s lots of little stuff in your set to break down. Check back at this spot in a few days or a week cuz I have work to do but will try to get a breakdown done for this.

    You didnt ever really have much attraction (though you did spike SOME) with her, but it’s not because you COULDNT have it, you just fell into some common traps that guys fall into when they feel like they’re shooting for the moon lol and you did some subtle stuff that you might not realize lowered your value in her eyes.

    And again while it was badass that you approached her at ALL, it sounds like you went up to her approaching her directly. I would’ve gone inside and ordered a drink beside their buddy and chatted him up, befriended him, maybe introduced a random girl to him to test if one of those girls is his girlfriend (like he goes “ah I can’t I’m here with my gf”) and then gone and done a lap and then open a set of girls with a disqualifying opener so they can’t reject you (like telling them you have a gf but bla bla and engaging them in a Buying Temp spiking conversation) near the 10 sets on the patio where the girls giggle loudly and that set glanced over and buddy can say “oh I met that guy inside he’s a cool guy bla bla” and then I can leave the girls on a spikes BT note and pass the 10 set where the guy is likely to reopen me and if he doesn’t I can just pretend to recognize him and go “hey! Buddy! Look at you with 2 beautiful girls no wonder you weren’t into that weird chick inside lol”

    I should have enough value to get into that set smoothly enough to run group theory, engage the guy ignore the girls and DHV till I’m getting A2 from the girls and ideally ignore the target till she’s giving solid A2, tease her for it, qualify and go from there.

    From their perspective I was just some cool social guy who randomly befriended their dude friend inside, makes girls giggle, and isn’t desperate or needy or trying to directly take value by going right for the 10 and, in fact, she has to EARN my attention/interest, which means she’s chasing/choosing me, which means her friends are less likely to interfere.

    Like Mystery says: “You can’t choose a 10, a 10 has to choose YOU”

    MM was built for the hot girls like this. When you try to run just standard “winging it” direct-ish game like you did, it falls flat even tho it would work on like a 7.

    Do you HAVE to jump thru all these elaborate hoops? Probably not, guys have banged hot 10s with direct game before but 1) often they happen to just be in the right place at the right time and/or the girl likes their look/vibe right off the bar like he happens to be exactly what she likes, and 2) they generally can’t do it consistently because of that…whereas following the principles of how attraction works you KNOW the things you’re doing during this elaborate method are building attraction/receptivity in the girl that you’re more likely to be able to cash in on. Also some guys just want to get laid by anything and are happy to take home a 7 or 8 where they don’t have to do all this crazy chess shit and that’s totally cool. I’m a Thrill of the Hunt guy tho so I get off more on the chess game than the actual sex lol I get more satisfaction out of running a set like that even if I don’t get her than I do out of taking home a 6. Pleasure of Sex guys are wired different and would view the chess game as too much work for pussy and care more about getting laid. To each his own, it’s all good lol