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Culum Struan
on July 25, 2015 at 1:11 pm
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YaReally and gang.

Question – how do you guys stop feeling bad about hurting/upsetting women? This probably leads on from HABD’s comment in another thread about me needing to fully swallow the red pill, but:

I just proactively cancelled a Sat night 3rd date with a 29 yr old HB7. Mostly because she’d been playing coy on confirming it after I made it clear it would be at my place (saying “I thought we’re going to a restaurant” etc). But also because I have a lot of urgent work this weekend, plus she flaked on me on a Saturday a couple of weeks ago (although apologized). And I just didn’t want the hassle of investing so much for the bang when I have enough plates for now.

Now she’s upset and the last text from her is “I assume you don’t want to see me” and she’s not replied to me saying “I can do Wednesday”. This is a genuinely sweet, fun girl and if I was looking to settle down, she’d be the kind of girl I’d settle down with.

My mistake was getting too much into “boyfriend” mode and not “lover” mode with her, I know that (hence no bang so far after two dates) but I know she likes me a lot and she’s probably thinking “I like this guy but he’s playing games with me” now.

And I feel bad and guilty about hurting her and playing games with her, because that is totally what I’m doing.


  • YaReally
    on July 25, 2015 at 2:51 pm
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    @Culum
    “Question – how do you guys stop feeling bad about hurting/upsetting women?”

    Stop doing this:

    “My mistake was getting too much into “boyfriend” mode and not “lover” mode with her”

    You’re hurting her because you’re allowing her expectations that you could be her boyfriend.

    Are you hurt right now because I’m not handing you your rent money for this month? No because I’ve given you no reason to assume I would and if you hinted about not having rent money I would tell you I’m broke so you know not to expect rent money from me.

    But if I promise you money or let you THINK I’ll help you, then when I don’t give it to you you’ll be “hurt” because I let you go off fantasizing about what having that rent money would be like and let you get way ahead of yourself.

    If you want to stop hurting them strengthen your frame and proactively remove yourself from being a potential boyfriend.

    The problem is most guys can’t keep their frame. They want the sex so bad or the girl is cool enough that they’re like ok THIS one I’ll ease up a bit because I really like her so I won’t push for sex on this first date she’s really sweet and I just like hanging out with her. Then they’re surprised when she expects them to be her boyfriend. Then they’re surprised when a girl who they LET think he would be her boyfriend is hurt when they flake on her.

    Handle your emotions. Women need you to have a very specific role in mind for them in your life and to not be wishy washy on it. Sailing to Cuba might not be my first preference of destinations, maybe I’d rather sail to Jamaica but I would rather be on the ship where the captain had the map to Cuba all laid out and all calculations made and sounds sure of himself getting there, than on the ship to Jamaica where the captain is going ehh I think it’s over here somewhere maybe, maybe we should go to Cuba I dunno I like Jamaica but if you like Cuba I guess we could go there maybe it’s somewhere here I dunno…

    Be adamant setting the frame and be willing to lose the girl.


    • YaReally
      on July 25, 2015 at 5:03 pm
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      @Culum
      “But I definitely didn’t set the frame strongly enough on Date 1 when she asked what I was looking for – left her too much wriggle room to hope when I said I didn’t want anything serious”

      You got it. Every guy does it at some point, most do it all the time. But that’s how you get these situs. When you get tired of crushing girls hopes and pissing them off for feeling “led on” you start to toughen your frame up and proactively categorize yourself as not boufriend material.

      “She’s not the only girl I’ve done the easing up with when I like her either..I’ll keep it in mind for next time.”

      It’s not all doom and gloom too. Just because you set the frame of sex only at the start doesn’t mean she can’t win you over after you guys bang a few times if you ACTUALLY do like her.

      But you can never go the OPPOSITE way. You can always go from casual to boyfriend but not boyfriend to casual (at least not easily). Same way you can always go from having a harem to monogamy with one girl from it but you can’t go from monogamy with a girl to having a harem (again without lots of potential tricky drama and shit if you even DO pull it off)

      If you set a sex only frame and then ease up on it AFTER YOUVE BANGED A FEW TIMES, not BEFORE, then she feels like she’s winning you over and is actually MORE happy with her prize than if you offered BF status up right away

      Prob is there’ll be a period of learning to calibrate all this where you’ll lose some sweet girls who don’t want to bang unless you date them. Over time you’ll figure out how to get around this with a lot of them by holding your frame and running tighter game where you DHV enough that she makes an exception for you.



The Awakened One
on July 25, 2015 at 1:14 pm
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Yareally I’m looking to counter this AMOG situation. I was out at a bar/lounge type environment and waiting in line for the bathroom. 2 HBs 8-9 are trying to skip the line because they have a pair of tits. Guy said no and then their insecure amog dates/bfs try to start a fight or whatever. Hbs tell their amogs to relax then one of them asks me if I’ll let them cut in front of me for some money. I’m like fuck it sure let’s see what happens. We start chatting and then douche rolls up and puts his hand on me and asks me if I’m really that desperate to take money from a girl. I’m like why not. He said that was a good answer I’d like to see you try or something like that. I asked him if they were dating he was just like no I’m not going to use the bathroom I’ll just stand here to see you take their money. The HBs left the bathroom when I was still inside. The dudes probably said something while I was in there. When I came out the girls said thanks for letting us in and then left without giving me anything. I’m a good looking dude so the amogs probably saw a threat at the beginning. The girls could’ve been throwing me fake iois in line and using me the whole time so probably nothing would’ve happened. However how to counter amog when someone says you’re desperate?


  • YaReally
    on July 25, 2015 at 3:09 pm
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    Lol money up front

    Seriously tho in these situs just turn the girls against the guy. They have to like you because 1) he’s not dating them apparently and 2) they want shit from you. Instead of engaging him you use social pressure on him by charming the girls into getting him to lay off and feel retarded for white knighting them.

    As long as you have the girls’ approval and they like you, buddy can’t do shit because it would be like punching their brother or friend and they can’t go against “m’lady”‘s wishes.

    But because I’m a dick I would turn it around on him. “Girls your boyfriend here says a gentleman doesn’t take money from women. Personally I think a REAL gentleman would offer to pay FOR a lady in need. Didn’t you bring your wallet out tonight man? These girls need to use the bathroom! Don’t act like you don’t have a $20 on you, these girls need your help. Next round is on me, girls you ever had a (shot name)?” and get them to henpeck along with me and social pressure him for the money lol bonus: you’re following his rules too you’re not taking money from girls you’re taking it from him.

    No guarantees this doesn’t get your ass kicked, I have calibration so I can pull this stuff off lol


    • YaReally
      on July 25, 2015 at 3:35 pm
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      View it this way: when you want a deal or lower phone rates do you talk to the guy on the phone and the cashier? Or do you go over their head and engage directly with their manager, the one who has power/authority over them?

      The dudes are the subordinate. The women have the real power. Don’t engage the knights, look past them and lock eyes on one of the girls so she’s engaged with you and talk directly to the queens and charm them and they’ll order their knights in line.

      By BEING white knights they showed you their weakness is pedestalizing the girls as queens so they told you how to “defeat” them. You’re simply using their own rule of “men should do what girls want” against them

      If they didn’t have that rule you’d be at more risk of a fight etc but they showed you their hand so you use it.


    • YaReally
      on July 26, 2015 at 3:29 pm
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      @The Awakened One
      “Now to figure out how to deal with this clusterfuck in the future.”

      Go on YouTube and type in “mystery method” and watch the seminars and quit running sloppy uncalibrated game and you won’t have to deal with this clusterfuck in the future lol


    • YaReally
      on July 26, 2015 at 3:53 pm
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      @The Awakened One
      You’re looking for how to patch up leaks in the boat instead of looking for how to avoid leaks in the first place.

      This next part isn’t so much about you as it is about the community in general these days so don’t take this too personally, I’m just using you as a convenient example for a point I’ll probably be stressing more in the future:

      Using girls as social leverage to handle AMOGs is oldschool shit. You should KNOW how to spike a girl’s Buying Temp in front of an AMOG and blow him out or get her to join sides with you to pressure him into shit.

      Here’s a SUPER oldschool era vid:

      And the breakdown of all the dynamics that went on that you should be learning to spot in real-time:

      All these guys are doing is spiking the girls’ Buying Temp thru the roof when the AMOG tries to hold court, instead of engaging the AMOG etc. Same thing I was talking about except he didn’t bother turning the pressure on the AMOGs because they were blown out (you would have to turn the pressure on them because they were the girls’ dates and they were being aggressive with you, whereas these are just some dudes who cold-approached the girls)

      A better approach on a seated 2-set on a patio is an indirect opener. Engage the girls, win them over, join the set and chill with them, build attraction, rapport, comfort, handle the friend and logistics, take her home and fuck or at LEAST get a rock-solid number that leads to a day2 where you fuck her. What are you thinking she’s just going to suck your face in front of her friend in a brightly lit low-energy quiet-music patio because you walk up and say to in front of a bunch of other dudes too like her ASD isn’t going to play a factor? That can work, esp in a more crowded chaotic club type environment, and it even work on a patio or in the street but it’s not going to be consistent…that’s just spam approaching and playing the numbers game crossing your fingers. If you want consistency you have to run actual game.

      Even if you were going to try that, what’d you do just bee-line for them? Did you have other girls on your arm? Did you open any sets around them first so they could indirectly observe your high-value before you approached and forced them to make a snap judgement based on your looks? Did you chat the dudes around them up and tell a story or some shit to demonstrate being the leader of men and make another chick giggle away before smoothly merging that set forward into their set as the social connector and using them to occupy your target’s friend so you could lock-in and isolate her attention on you without being interrupted or cockblocked?

      If you aren’t working on seeing those angles and doing that stuff, what are you doing out there ya know?

      Watch the MM seminars on YouTube and google and read the Tyler Durden Digest. It’s a time investment but it’ll help you build a game framework that will fix a lot of this bullshit you’re running into. You’re running into it because you aren’t executing proper game and group theory.

      This isn’t to shit on you, I’m not trying to be an asshole here, it’s good that you’re out there trying and you sound confident enough that my saying this isn’t going to cripple you and make you give up on game and run and hide in your basement…like I say I’m just using you as a convenient example here.

      But like, a LOT of game issues can be fixed by just tightening your shit up so the boat doesn’t sink in the first place instead of pushing a swiss cheese boat out into the water and getting frustrated at how you have to keep bailing water out lol


    • YaReally
      on July 27, 2015 at 3:57 am
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      @The Awakened One
      Good shit dude, glad you’re taking action and it sounds like you’re taking it serious. That means it’s not going to be hard for you to tighten your game up. You’re applying most of the stuff you’ve learned and it sounds like you don’t have problems applying CH, Juggler, internal shit, etc., you’re getting rapport and running mixed sets etc. they just aren’t really GOING anywhere…the fix for that will be focusing more on the Mystery Method stuff.

      You’re going in and you’re doing cool social shit, but you’re playing checkers not chess.

      The difference between what Mystery teaches and what you’re doing is that you’re performing actions as one-offs mostly independent of eachother, whereas Mystery teaches to layer everyting you’re doing into the next shit you do.

      So like, you could open a hot girl in one room and make her laugh, then you could go to another room and make a hotter bartender laugh. But even BETTER would be to wait till that hot girl is beside that bartender and make the hot girl laugh so the bartender SEES you doing it and you use that social proof to make the bartender more receptive. But even BETTER THAN THAT would be to open the hot girl and make her laugh and then BRING HER OVER to the bartender to engage her in your conversation, so that the bartender sees you with social proof AND leading a high-value woman around. Even better than ALL OF THAT, would be to open that hot girl, make her laugh, then bring her over to a 3-set of girls standing at the bartender’s bar and bring that 3-set into the conversation for the bartender to observe you with 4 girls’ attention including a cold-approach of the 3 at the bar right in front of her (and those 3 will be receptive to you BECAUSE you have a hot girl with you, VS just cold-approaching the 3 set without that hot girl with you). Do it that last way and that hot bartender will think you’re a celebrity and be a thousand times more receptive than if you had just run a good set out of her view and then gone up to her to try to make her laugh directly.

      Like, THAT’S what pickup “artistry” looks like. It’s taking everything you do and building off it toward your goal. Like building a skyscraper instead of a bunch of little houses. That’s the mindset you want to be in, so that when you end a set you don’t think “ok time to leave this area”, you think “ok now who saw that and how can I build off it?”

      One way to think about it is instead of drawing individual dots around a piece of paper, you’re playing connect the dots drawing lines from one dot to the next until you have a picture.

      So because you wrote out a big thing, the least I can do is break down points where I would have done things different and where you missed some opportunities, so that you learn to spot these things in the future…this is why we write Field Reports, so we can have outside eyes notice this shit and help us spot it in the future:

      “@Yareally ok massive qualification time here: Started several years and have read ALL of the articles on CH including comments (obviously has turned into a wasteland), all of yareally archive (everything said here has been correct. HB10s give very subtle hints and small windows, no mistakes or perhaps one maximum with these ones), all of scray reports, finished mm book recently, juggler method (naturally get along with ppl so this is good for me), reading mm collab, sedfast field reports (obviously a massive intj here). Now I’m just putting experiences to concepts I’ve read. I work out 4-5 times a week, eat well, and don’t drink anymore so I can ripe the rewards when I’m older. Because I’m good looking in a way I’m peacocked at a venue since I wear an outfit that works for me. I get iois from HB6s-8s. HB6-7s will approach me. Also Paimai too from hotter girls or iois if they’re young.

      Started documenting my sober solo sarges as unknown about 6 weeks ago. Spreading positive vibes when I’m out as well as letting girls know I have a penis so I can start getting used to spiking and passing obnoxious shit tests. Last week in a venue befriended early 20’s guy from a major not known for having lots of girls in it and then introed some random hbs who gave me iois at him nothing happened but am working on leader of men skill. Got him to come out to same venue again and threw some more random hbs at him but nothing happened. Tried to teach him mindsets that I have learned in a normal way.”

      All good shit. Props for putting in the effort and it sounds like you have a solid baseline to work from now. You won’t have much problem tweaking your game, all you need to do is start applying more strategy…ie – execute a lot of the same TECHNIQUES you’re executing but in a more STRATEGIC way (and with some more tech added as I’ll explain)

      Stay with me, this is going to get tech heavy but if you’ve studied all that shit esp MM recently this’ll make sense to you lol:

      “Get there around midnight Clap hands and follow 3 second rule as soon as I enter venue say hey to HB6.5 but get IHABF. Go outside patio”

      If it was a “Hey, you–” “Sorry I have a BF” set and she was drunk or just not in a receptive state, then ya hitting the patio is fine.

      But if it was like a 2-5 min chat then this is a set you’d want to try to use as a pivot to open sets beside you instead of going to another room. And if it was a 2-5 min chat and she pulls out IHABF then disqualify yourself to disarm her so you’re no longer a threat (“woah, someone’s feeling mighty pretty tonight, I actually have a GF lol why do girls always think I’m hitting on them? Is it my shirt? lol so anyway–“) and try to use her as a pivot for any adjacent sets or say “hey show me where the patio is, I’ve never been here before” and walk out onto the patio WITH her so the people on the patio see “ok girls like this guy and feel safe around him he’s not some solo dude” even if you ditch her right after…that 2-set of HB7s you’re about to approach next would have been even MORE receptive having seen a chick on your arm. And they’d be even MORE MORE receptive if on top of that you engaged the bartender (male or female) who got your drink for you (I like to crack a quick joke as I order like “god, I’ve been drinking all day, just a water or I’m going to be passed out in a corner over there.” and get them to chuckle, THEN open whatever’s beside me).

      I’m guessing this first chick was an instant blowout like the first situation I described but like, I’m just throwing out shit to think about and visualize in your head…IHABF isn’t a death sentence, and if you get IHABF a lot then try going indirect more. The in-your-face direct stuff will trigger IHABF a lot more, but a girl who’s got a BF can hang with you all night if you calibrate and disqualify yourself from hitting on her because you’re not triggering her ASD anymore.

      “to get non alcoholic beverage.”

      Good man. Mystery, Tyler, RSDJulien, RSDMax, RSDTodd, none of these guys drink. Build your skillset sober so you don’t have to drink to “unlock” that personality.

      “IOIs from 2 set hb7s ordering drinks from bar. Approach hotter of two from behind and apologize for being late since the ex was being crazy again.”

      Solid open. The girl with her back to you is the one that likes you if you’re getting IOIs, but by engaging her directly you’re giving her validation right away…and if she’s the hotter of the two, that’s what she expects/wants. Group theory and MM is based on making her frustrated that she doesn’t instantly win you over by just being hot, because a high-value dude would expect her to impress him before he shows interest in her.

      “Ask her for her name again”

      Why? This is A3 (male to female interest, aka showing interest in her) but you haven’t really qualified her on anything to deserve your A3. You have A2 (female to male interest, aka iois) ’cause she was checking you out, but the bridge from her showing interest to you showing interest back is her being qualified and passing a qualifier, impressing you and EARNING your interest.

      I did the same thing for a while, I would ask their name, till I realized 1) she hasn’t earned my interest in her name yet so why am I asking? It’s ’cause I’m seeking rapport and following social norms and because quite frankly I didn’t have any better material queued up to spit instead of falling into the social norm routine of asking her name and 2) by asking her name and exchanging names in general right away I’m removing a potential ioi from her that tells me I have solid A2…ie – when she’s REALLY into me to the point where I know she’ll try to pass my qualifiers (VS just being a little into me and not caring about passing them, which means go back to A1 and DHV more so she wants to pass them), she WOULD ask me “So what’s your name???” or “So my name is Jenny! What’s your name?” which tells me I have a huge green light…but because I pre-emptively took away her default ioi move, she can’t use it and has to come up with another one and that’s harder for her to do and/or requires showing her hand more (ie – showing interest by asking “what’s your name?” is keeping her cards hidden more than “I like your shirt” and hot girls will often want to show as little of their hand as possible at first incase you’re a chode in disguise).

      Don’t bother with names, just game them with interesting DHV shit until they ask for YOUR name. Then you know you have solid A2 and can try qualifying them to see if they’ve earned your A3 (and if they try to pass but don’t pass, DHV some more then qualify them with something easier they can pass. If they don’t try to pass, go back to A1 and DHV some more till you get stronger A2 then qualify them again. And if they purposely sabotage qualifying, neg/tease them (and possibly take your attention away to focus on their friend in a mini-freezeout punishment) and go back to A1 to DHV’ing again until she gives you A2 then try to qualify her again, rinse and repeat until she finally passes your qualifying and THEN you can ask shit about her).

      It’s not as complicated as it sounds on first read lol, it’s just a flowchart basically. If she does this, do this, if she does this other thing, loop back to this other part until she plays along then do this next thing.

      Now cue someone saying “bro lol you’re a nerd, this is all too much thinking bro just go up and be COOL bro, jesus I ain’t never needed none o’ this stuff and one time I banged a 10/10 girl bro!” I don’t fucking care lol This shit is how you get CONSISTENT results with hot girls instead of playing the numbers game and crossing your fingers you’re in the right place at the right time with the right girl.

      “and she complies then tell her to intro me to friend.”

      Good. You have minor compliance and iois, so you have the spark of attraction. You could have MORE attraction if you did some other shit like I described but like, you’ve got enough to work with at this point if you apply solid strategy from here.

      “She asks me about my ex and I tell her about her jealousy of me being around other girls. She tells me it’s too bad how they ordered drinks already otherwise I could get them some. Pfft told them they can get me one but they say in that girly way they can’t since they paid with card already. I said it was too bad.”

      Letting her set/lead the frame/conversation. You tried countering her “buy us drinks” frame with your “no you buy ME drinks” but you don’t have enough A2 for them to actually DO it (asking too much compliance for the level of attraction they’re at). A better way to handle it would be to brush it off and go into some kind of story/routine, OR engage it but lead it into a story/routine like “lol no see I was at this party once…and I met this girl, and she–” and tell an engaging story (with DHVs and leader of men and protector of loved ones shit built into it, if you can’t improvise this on the fly then plan it out ahead of time so you have it somewhere in your brain) where some chick asked you to buy her a drink and it turned into a big fiasco and she barfed all over and you had to get her home safe because creepy guys wanted to take advantage of her bla bla…now you’re in set for like 5 extra minutes with a bunch more DHVs, keeping their intention as you increase your value in their eyes, and all this time everyone around you is seeing you hold a solid 2-set of HB7s.

      Bonus points if you can lean against the bar and lock-in so that they’re both facing you and it looks like they’re gaming you. Check out Mystery at 2:00-2:20 ESPECIALLY the moment where ALL 3 GIRLS LEAN IN fighting over his attention at 2:14:

      How pimp does that look to everyone else in the room? Doesn’t matter if he’s short, ugly, poor, a virgin, a player, just met them, friends with them, etc. all everyone sees is “holy shit who IS that guy that has these girls hitting on him like that???” That’s the power of locking-in…literally all he did was instead of standing there talking to them looking like he’s hitting on them, he engaged them with a routine and sat down as he was engaging them so that they would turn to face him (social instinct, when someone you’re talking to moves you turn your head to follow them…tho really alpha dudes sometimes won’t, but girls always do). Even if that set doesn’t go anywhere, any girls who saw that will be receptive as fuck to his approach later (even guys will be like dude you’re awesome and love him).

      “Couldn’t think of anything to say further so set dies and give positive vibes as they leave.”

      You gotta have shit to say. This is the stuff that tells me you’re not using strategy, because the conversation shouldn’t die. I can talk forever, I prefer to improvise on the spot but if I can’t think of something interesting I’ll just whip out something I know is interesting that I’ve used with other girls. The set shouldn’t “die”, like, that shouldn’t be possible. You should have a handful of good DHV’ing stories you can tell or engaging discussions you can bring out to keep the set going and buy yourself a little more time to show a little more value to earn a little more A2 etc.

      Check out the multiple threading conversations Mystery describes, where he transitions into a bunch of different things and leaves them all open to come back to and leaves little hooks for the girls to bite on throughout the conversation. You can just jump from topic/routine to topic/routine, it doesn’t even have to make sense the girls don’t care they just live in the moment lol but over time you learn to smooth that out for your own fun, like I can direct the flow of the conversation into my personal routines easily because I’ve done it a lot and I can improvise. Like I don’t HAVE a routine for some girl making me buy her a drink and it going bad, but in the moment I know that I need a story along those lines for this situation and I know what elements it needs to have to be a DHV story, so I would be able to improvise one on the fly that has built in DHVs etc. It wouldn’t be flawless but I could refine it the next time that situation came up and it’ll be tighter and I’ll keep the set engaged longer.

      So like, these are all VERY MINOR TWEAKS. They basically boil down to not asking for her name (showing interest) right away, leading the conversation, keeping them engaged, and taking a couple steps so you’re locked-in. Just those little strategic chess move adjustments could have led to a longer set where you build more attraction to where they actually WOULD buy you a drink and you can qualify the hot one and she WANTS to pass because you’ve built more attraction with her, you bring in a random dude to handle her friend, isolate, rapport, comfort, escalate, extract and now you’re banging the hot one of the two, or if it doesn’t go that far you’ll have an easier time banging a girl who sees you running that set, VS it just being some set that fizzled out and didn’t serve much purpose in the grand scheme of getting laid.

      You might have just been warming up and shit, like I GET that, most of my first sets are just me fucking around and getting myself blown out to shake off the cobwebs and loosen up and entertain myself. I’m just writing this out so you can see the mindset shift that you want to start making in general. Chess, not checkers.

      Ok next up:

      “Get to bar see dude looking drunk or tired and ask him if he’s ok. He tells me to f off. Ok guy whose not getting laid.”

      lol good you didn’t engage. Just don’t be around this energy, don’t try to solve their problems or anything. Not worth the effort or risk…even if you can do it you’re stuck with dead weight ’cause the guy isn’t going to be any benefit to you getting laid even if you get him to like you.

      “Turn to other side and chat up and giving fun positive vibes to older gentlemen whose a really cool guy. Offered him a drink but although he appreciates offer declines because he has money and could tell we would be friends if more time was available.”

      This stuff tells me that you don’t have a weird vibe or anything, like you’re not a socailly awkward dude, so that kind of thing is why I know you won’t have problems sharpening up your game. You’re executing techniques well, they just don’t have an overall structure that leads to specific goals.

      “Order my non alcoholic beverage and HB8.5 bartender recognizes me saying how I’m there all the time getting that drink (in a 100+ person venue?) and doesn’t charge me”

      ioi. You said it was midnight so she was probably too busy to really engage so not much more you can do with this in that moment, but in the future consider going to the bar an hour earlier when it’s less busy and engaging her in a deeper conversation. You might be able to bang her or at least become HEAVILY social proofed (to where she serves you before the hot girls in front of you, blowing those hot girls’ minds and making them curious, etc). I had a Natural buddy who would be bombarded with the smokin hot shooter girls running up to shout his name and hug him the second they saw him…panties dropping all around him as all the girls nearby see that happen lol

      Just something to consider leveraging in the future.

      “(How’s that for DHV. Probably should’ve left a tip though).”

      It’s only a DHV if girls see it. ;) Otherwise it’s just a cool memory for you.

      On that note a big part of strategy is aligning things like that so that they create a domino effect. I alluded to it earlier with the hot girl and bartender set example at the start. Like, if I know this shooter girl is going to run up and hug me when she sees me, I’m going to AVOID HER like I’m Solid Snake till she’s beside a smokin hot set. Is she beside a bunch of dudes? Stay out of her line of sight. Is she behind the bar? Out of her line of sight. Is she near the entrance and no one’s really there? Out of her line of sight. Is she in a busy area but too busy to take notice of me? Out of her line of sight. Is she surrounded by people but in the middle of making money off an order? Out of her line of sight. Is she around some a hot set of girls and she’s not too occupied to say hello? NOW I’ll walk into her line of sight, and it’ll be in perfect view of that set, not off to the side or around a corner from it.

      Little tiny tweaks that make all the difference in the world.

      “Walked around and then next set attempted to merge sets. 3set guys and 4 set (3 HBs 1 guy) standing at table on patio that looked like they just met each other there. Shook hands with 3set. Opinion opener to HB on how to get a gf with a 1inch penis. She cracks up and then they spread it around group and they all crack up. They say they don’t know.”

      lol all good stuff. Great approach, great opener/routine, good handling of the group. Again this comes down to “ok now how can I LEVERAGE this towards a bigger goal, even if I’m not interested in the girls in this set, what’s AROUND me that I can use this set to capitalize on?”

      “She asks me for my name”

      Here’s that A2 shit I was saying. If you had exchanged names with her as you went up so she already knew it then she doesn’t have this ioi to give you and you don’t have as easy a guage of how much attraction you have.

      “and then I tell her and qualify her on her attire.”

      Do you mean you complimented her, or teased/tested her on it to get her to qualify/justify herself to you? If it’s the former, consider doing the latter instead. Her giving you A2 isn’t enough to get your A3 (complimenting her), her giving you A2 is only enough to get you to tease/test (aka qualify) her to see if she tries to qualify herself and if she does THEN you can compliment her.

      So if you’re going with attire-based stuff, instead of “that’s an interesting outfit, I like your style”, which she hasn’t earned yet ’cause all she’s done is given you A2 (her interest), you might do something like “what is up with that purse? You’re carrying a fuckin suitcase around the bar” teasing her so that she qualifies herself with like “lol omg I love this purse, look it bla bla” and THEN you can give her A3 with “lol ok I’m just bugging you, you actually have a cool style.”

      It’s a very slight different in strategy, but these little differences are what spike and build attraction. They also get girls nearby curious of how you just made that chick burst out laughing and yap at you trying to win you over (they can pick that up from the body language). Also the set themselves loves you more because you’re teasing one of their friends in a fun way and she loves it and your value is just going up and up to all of them, which can benefit you later).

      “She responds and then asks what I do here.”

      More A2. You CAN get laid just doing what you’re doing, like, even that first HB7 2-set you can just wing it and it might turn into a lay. This girl you’ve made a “good enough” impression to have her interest. The difference is just that “good enough” COULD BE “over the top mind-blowing” with a few tweaks, know what I mean? It’s the difference between a bunch of flakey number closes you have to plow the girl to get, VS her demanding you take her number.

      “I say bartender and how I’m tired of dating cocktails waitresses and am looking for a real relationship.”

      lol solid reply, bringing the convo to relationships/sex, but this also sets yourself up as a Provider role instead of Lover role, unless you said it blatantly sarcastic/self-amusing so she knows you’re a player not a boyfriend. Irrelevant in this set, but something to consider if you use this one again…try something like “I’m a bartender…I have way too many commitment issues for a REAL relationship so I decided to bartend so I could just have an endless string of one night stands with cocktail waitresses and drunk girls…turns out they all have STANDARDS though, pfft. I’m going to be a virgin forever. :(” That’s not necessarily going to congruent to whatever your style of vibing is, but I have kind of a deadpan Van Wilder/Hank Moody thing where I bounce between cocky and self-depreciating to hit the right balance where I set a Lover frame but also take away the arrogance of it and become the “good fun” kind of Lover VS the “evil player” kind of Lover. And the “one night stand” stuff implies sex VS “dating cocktail waitresses” and “real relationship” which imply boyfriend stuff

      My point is just consider what frame the things you say set. Always be directing yourself toward the Lover/sexual frame.

      “She says she doesn’t know but her friends (Cuter) may.”

      Logic dictates that she’s taken but her friend is single (probably recently single or just shy if her friend is taking the lead like that). If you WERE into the friend this would be a solid transition to her because you haven’t blatantly hit on this one so you wouldn’t get the “he hit on my friend but now he’s settling for me I don’t want to be his second option” negative response you would have gotten if you had been more aggressive. But since you’re not into her it’s irrelevant, I’m just making a note so you can look for these angles in these situations.

      “Wasn’t interested in the girls there so I gave the group positive vibes as I left.”

      All good. But before you extract ping your radar around the area and think about “is there anything I can use this set to move forward into”. Like say there’s a 2-set you’re into that’s walking around or you saw them dancing and you know based on your radar/logic that they’ll probably end up on the patio to cool off and chill out or do a lap soon. You COULD eject from this set as soon as the vibe dies, and then go find those girls inside, but you’re not getting any real benefit from that solid set you just ran. Instead if you pull out a story or some shit to keep the set going, or just keep building some rapport etc. and time ejecting for when you see the girls coming your way…throw in a well-timed thing that you know is going to get a group laugh and THEN go “ok I see my friends, I gotta go” and turn and open those girls who’ve just seen you make a set with girls in it laugh and you have social proof so they’re likely to be more receptive to you and you can engage them easier. The other set thinks they’re your friends, the girls think that set is your friends, nobody knows you don’t know fucking anyone but everyone loves you lol

      I’ll sometimes stick out a lame set just because I see a set I actually want to open but they aren’t looking in our direction or they’re ordering a drink or some shit and I’ll time shit so that when they’re in a position where they’ll see my set and I, I’ll spike their Buying Temp and get a laugh and then go over to work into that set I want…but even then I might open an adjacent set instead of them directly, then bring them into the convo and switch to being in their set and they’re all warmed up because they’ve indirectly observed all the value I just demonstrated. They might not instantly want to fuck me but they should be a lot more receptive than they’d be if I just walked into the room and approached them ice cold directly.

      “Walked around then saw older gentleman again on patio. Chatted him up on women. Tapped girls and introed them to him but they just said hi without moving. Then opened mixed sets around us since ppl kept bumping into him they were all friendly since I guess he was older. Peacocked due to disparity in ages. He was good at opening up ppl.”

      lol probably made that dude’s month/year. I like to chat dudes who look like they feel kind of out of place up, a lot of times they’re super relieved to have someone make them feel comfortable in the environment. A lot of them are actually cool, they’re just stuck inside their head or intimidated by the venue etc. Also you usually get free drinks out of it lol

      “He bought me a drink at same bar with earlier HBbartender (Another DHV).”

      Solid, and something that will stand out to her, she may even ask “Was that your dad?” down the road lol Def consider going early sometime (just say your friends are running late or whatever), or on a slow off-night if that venue has one, and build some deeper rapport with her. And of course you’re going in with solid strategy if you DO that, like teasing her and making her work for your validation and getting into some deep rapport/comfort Juggler type stuff etc where she feels like you guys have a special connection (I wouldn’t rip lines directly out of MM/Juggler ’cause as a bartender she’s maybe heard some of them, but like, check CH or my archives for that 36 rapport questions article that went around a while back, fuck marry kill, that kind of shit).

      “Went to dancefloor with him and grabbed girl’s hand and locked eyes however cb wasn’t having it.”

      I don’t game on the dance floor much so not much advice here. A lot of it is Attraction-based which is great if you can keep it pumped to the close that night, but if you can’t pull that night a lot of that stuff will flake. I just don’t even bother with it lol but I know lots of guys do love dance floor game and could write about how to lead it somewhere. I’m a verbal guy and Comfort/Rapport is what gets solid consistency so I prefer that.

      “Older gentleman complimented me on having balls then got tired so we exchanged numbers then he left.”

      This kind of stuff is how you get invited to high-end private parties and trips and stuff if that’s a thing you want to do. It’s funny ’cause no matter how rich the dude is, if you can cold-approach in front of him and/or throw girls at him, he almost always views you as super high-value and wants to shower you with value in return when really all you’re doing is saying hello and running some nerd shit you read on the internet lol The surreal nature of that whole situation always makes me laugh.

      …but also watch out for them being gay dudes. YOU NEVER KNOW MAN!! lol

      “Clusterfuck set was around 2. Ppl around may have been aware of my presence earlier. Approach was to see how fast I could escalate that late at night and what sort of shit tests would be involved. Beeline approach through crowd before other 2 clowns would show up.”

      lol if it was 2 then at that point a lot of solid game is just kind of out the window because shit is too chaotic and drunk and filled with drama for a lot of it to be noticable. I like to focus on 9pm-1am as my main window of like “I can actually run solid game”. Past 1am it’s like, there’s not a lot of point doing subtle DHV shit when the girl is freaking out that she lost her cel phone and her friend is sucking face on the dance floor etc If it’s warm out I’ll often bail on the club at 1am and do some laps around the bar district to open street sets to try to pull (for sex or food lol) because there’s less chaos on the street and some girls are ready to call it a night and just have a low-key afterparty etc…plus being sober and dealing with super drunk chicks/drama in the club is tiring when you’re past 30 like me and street sets while they’re still often drunk as fuck, are more spread out and less crazy if they’re sober-ish.

      Anyway so there’s some advice. Hope it helps. The overall idea is take what you’re doing now and just put it into an actual over-arching strategy that leads somewhere consistently. Follow the MM structure, especially the A1-A2-A3-C1-C2 (from there it should be easy, this is the main section you do in the bar enviro). You’re doing good shit, everything’s on track, just focus more on “I’m going to move this pawn, then this knight, then they’ll move that pawn, then I’ll capture it leaving an opening for my bishop here and bam I’ll have the girl I want in check”, VS “I’m going to move this pawn! …now I’m going to move, I dunno, this other pawn and capture this piece I guess? Hopefully this helps somehow…”

      Good luck, keep at it! You really don’t need much work.


    • YaReally
      on July 27, 2015 at 4:02 am
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      @The Awakened One
      Bigass reply for you in mod with a bunch of advice and in-depth breakdown of your field report ’cause you were cool about my reply instead of being butthurt which tells me you’re actually working on your skills lol

      I saved it so if it gets locked in mod forever I’ll post it again in this article’s comment section until it makes it thru mod so just search for your username till it shows up.


    • YaReally
      on July 28, 2015 at 11:48 am
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      @The Awakened One
      “Thanks Yareally you really nailed my weakpoints. I just finished MM a week or so ago so was throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks. Need to watch his seminars.”

      I like the seminars more because you can tell he’s passionate about what he’s teaching and he gives a lot of examples and personal experiences. It’s a bigger time investment than the book but I feel like it gives a better overall understanding of everything and makes it more relatable. Obviously his actual routines themselves are outdated/generic and a lot of them are a bit obnoxious and just apply to him (like I roll my eyes during some of them) but like, look at the underlying STRUCTURE of his stories and what they convey (DHV qualities) and how they convey them and think about how you would do the same with your own stories and how you can tell your stories better by adding little DHVs into them and interesting plot twists and punchlines and refine them into a story that’s captivating and goes somewhere or sets a specific frame you want or reveals something about you that will help you get the lay etc.

      Are you gonna be able to tell a 10 min long story in a high-energy nightclub? Probably not lol but all the more reason to understand the actual structure so that in a chaotic environment you can DHV faster and spike their build attraction more efficiently.

      The idea is that there’s X number of switches a girl needs flipped to fuck you (outside of just lucky Fool’s Mate). Most guys fumble around and eventually stumble into flipping those switches by the 3rd date, or like they only hit on girls who already like them (social circle or Approach Invites etc.) so half the switches are already flipped and they just have to fumble around to get the last few.

      But MM is teaching you how to flip them as fast/efficient as possible. And if you enjoy the high-energy type game ’cause you’re young and in high-energy venues then you can combine the two so that you’re not just playing a numbers game but like, when you spin-hug a girl and pull her in you go right into solid qualifying, or when you’re on a dance floor and grab a number you know to qualify her first and make her say your name and disqualify her if she doesn’t remember it etc. so that she’s more invested and you get less flaking. That kind of thing.

      “Figured I was continuing on the path of pretending we both knew each other but good to know.”

      Oh I getcha, you were saying it in an “as if we’ve exchanged names before when we haven’t already” thing. That’s a solid move in general, but just be aware that anything with a name exchange is throwing away an easy ioi for her to drop on you when she’s attracted to let you know how much attraction you have (and thus how much compliance you can ask for or how fast you should escalate or if she isn’t asking your name you know she’s probably not that attracted yet and you should do more A1 etc.). Like, the benefits of NOT asking for her name can outweigh the benefits of asking her name even if the way you ask her name is really clever/fun (which the way you were doing it IS that).

      “I was always friendly and joked around with other ppl in school and they would do the same both guys and girls so I had no reason to change my personality.”

      One of Tyler’s oldschool quotes that always stuck with me was: “In High School we all chose an identity not even that would make people LIKE us, but that would just avoid the risk of making people DISLIKE us.” Like the friendly inoffensive Nice Guy that nobody hates but, when you get older, girls aren’t really creaming themselves over in a bar lol

      All in all it sounds like you have a solid background though. You’ll do epic if you add some structure to your shit. You have a toolbox of shiny tools instead of a bunch of broken tools duct-taped together like a lot of guys start with, you just need to focus on applying them efficiently building toward a skyscraper, VS just randomly hammering nails into shit.

      “Unfortunately at some point in life being friendly has a ceiling. Even now I have to work on having a more forceful personailty and having an edge around ppl. My vibe is probably why I get amogged so much so I have to draw the line quickly.”

      Ya, you’ll get a handle on this. I used to not swear or talk about sex and would get uncomfortable around sexual/offensive humor etc. (I was a super hard-case Nice Guy nerd) but forced myself through it and to get more comfortable with it and to take chances with it and see “hmm, not only did nothing bad happen, THIS girl giggled when I made a sexual comment wtf?? Maybe I CAN be a little more edgy…”

      “Also forgot to mention before this part that I gestured to the dudes that they all had big penises so they didn’t have that problem. She said she didn’t know what theirs looked like.”

      Solid disarming of the dudes. If the guy in her group was her boyfriend she’d have said “I only know what HIS looks like” so she’s also kind of letting you know that logistics-wise the dude in her group probably isn’t banging her, and since she passed you off to her friend he isn’t banging the friend, which means he’s either an orbiter chode social circle guy, a brother, or boyfriend to the 3rd girl. Doesn’t mean a lot but it’s good to look for little things like that to establish who’s who. Mystery’s a fan of “how do you all know eachother?” to figure that stuff out but I tend to just look for cues like this (admittedly doing it this way is more prone to error lol I just like trying to figure it out for fun). I would look at body language to confirm my guess of who the guy is with, if any of them, or if he’s just a hapless Nice Guy from work or some shit. And of course if when she said she didn’t know what theirs looked like and was only referencing the other set of dudes you merged and not the dude in her group then that guy could be a boyfriend. SO MUCH PUZZLEZ. lol This stuff is all stuff I calculate in a split second on the fly, it just sounds long and complicated when it’s written out like this. All these little things give me an idea of exactly what I’m working with and who I can ignore, who I need to win over, who I need to avoid looking like a threat in front of (maybe that dude isn’t her boyfriend but he KNOWS she has a boyfriend so I have to be more subtle etc) who’s going to be an obstacle later, etc.

      “Asked her why she was so dressed up. Said she just got off work and didn’t have time to get ready and her friends dragged her out here.”

      With dressed up girls (my personal preference, love them, and I just wear a t-shirt and jeans out lol) I always throw in “shit, you’re making me feel underdressed. I’m all self-conscious now. People are looking at us like why is she talking to that bum? Doesn’t she have any standards? She must be wasted. (then seague into “How drunk ARE you right now? What’s that, you’re slurring.” buying-temp spiking teasing)” Compliment + self-depreciation is powerful when you’re a good-looking dude and she’s average…elevates her value and shows you don’t take yours seriously so you’re on the same level.

      “This was said in a sarcastic manner but not sure she picked up on that. Points on lover frame are well taken though.”

      Ya, if it was clearly sarcastic then it’s all good, but I would still reword it slightly. A lot of game is about “you CAN say that, and that will be a GOOD thing to say…but if you tweak it very slightly it becomes an even BETTER thing to say, and if you tweak it juuuust a bit more it becomes the OPTIMAL thing to say”. A lot of guys get stuck “going sideways” in an interaction instead of “going forward”, they’re just floundering around keeping the interaction going but not really taking it anywhere. For me I’m always trying to lead it forward toward a goal.

      Even in that “underdressed” line I just mentioned I’m going from compliments to spiking her temp to, since I know she’s attracted after a spike, qualifying her on being drunk, which I know she’ll try to defend herself on because she’s attracted and if I want to I can use that to move into A3 (something I would run because I have a rambling verbose style (think Van Wilder or Hank Moody) would be “oh you’re sober, good, my harem of cocktail waitresses is always drunk…I’m starting to think it’s because they have to put up with me. Careful, a few months with me and you’ll be an alcoholic, crying into your wine bottle “Why won’t he call me??””…something a normal dude could run that achieves the same goal would just be like “oh you’re sober, good, I can’t stand dating drunk chicks.”) Both ways of doing it are rewarding her with an SOI (being glad/impressed she’s sober) for qualifying herself when I teased her calling her drunk and working toward implying “future projection” that we’re going to be together in the future.

      Like ignore the words I’m saying, it’s the structure I’m applying that is the key. It’s moving toward the goal of getting her comfortable picturing her and I knowing eachother in the future and what that life would be like and a bit of an emotional rollercoaster in the verbose one and an SOI etc. etc.

      Your HB7 2-set was kind of similar…it just kind of went sideways. It wasn’t going anywhere BAD, but you also weren’t leading it toward getting laid, so it becomes just another “okay set” where it wasn’t really a blowout and they actually liked you but it just kind of fizzled and faded. Having a structure/goal and leading toward it can turn sets like that into lays (or at LEAST super-solid #-closes).

      “He was one of those $=women type guys so I’m good here.”

      Befriend him and you may end up partying on a yatch with girls he pays to be there who think you’re cool/attractive because you didn’t have to pay lol

      Keep it up, have fun, you’ll kill this shit in no time with your attitude.


    • YaReally
      on July 29, 2015 at 11:19 am
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      @The Awakened One
      “Going to continue using this semi echo chamber until I see a game post.”

      I think 10 articles in a row complaining about black people and politics is a new record. If everyone was focusing on game instead of bitching like women all day there’d be more of those white babies they want to fix all these problems with lol

      “(ex+variation of your attire qualifier(stalker dhv,tease”you kind of…” “hey! you’re not…” then get her qualifying, joke, (intro here to defuse any cbs?),then qualify, soi)”

      I have no idea what this says lol

      That original set with the drink-buying girl should be on your radar so you know where your easy social-proof is around the bar so you can time shit nicely. If she’s on the patio and so are those girls then you go to her first and spike her Buying Temp in front of them so she’s giggling away. They’ll notice. If the dude on the patio is the drink-buying guy I would call him over and bullshit with him about what an asshole that bartender is. Now you’re showing some leader-of-men shit by being cooler than another dude in front of the 3-set.

      Now you have two dynamics going: 1) you have a babysitter for your drink-buying girl that you know is harmless, if he had any game he’d have been up in her grill already so he can keep other guys away from her till you come back if you can’t get the 3-set, and 2) you ARE a 3-set now and have two people who can help you distract the girl you want’s friends. Merge forward opening the 3-set casually over the shoulder with the bartender topic but open her friends instead of her ideally, and just be I don’t know like “hey how long did you guys take to get a drink. Ya that guy’s an asshole he made my buddy here wait for like 15 min ignoring him”. Easy to transition from here into either complimenting them like “guess we gotta’ dress as hot as you girls to get his attention” or escalating “(look one of them up and down) hmmm on second thought I don’t blame him for ignoring us for you girls”, or teasing “I bet you girls have NEVER waited for a drink in your whole goddamn life lol how many guys’ hearts are breaking right now just watching us flirt”, or playful asshole shit “personally I would cut you girls off you’re too drunk, look this one (one of the obstacles) is wobbling, what’s that drunk girl (to the other obstacle) you’re slurring?” etc etc whatever’s congruent to you and calibrated in-set.

      The point is engage everyone before finally engaging her. Ideally keep engaging her friends until she tries to get your attention but if you’re in a hurry you can probably just engage her directly after all this. Main thing is making her qualify for your attention, whether you do it the slow MM way of letting her chase your attention and then qualifying her, or the faster way (see the Julien PIMP vids on YouTube I link about it) where you instigate it.

      From there build toward a solid close, or isolate/escalate, approval of her friends, etc. etc.should all be easy from there.

      Main difference is treating the entire bar like a set instead of bee-lining for her. You can GET her that way, like that CAN work, but you’re gonna run into a lot less consistency and more flakes and more cockblocks that way VS what I just described where she’s going to be like “holy shit I’ve met the most amazing guy, he owns the room and my friends LOVE him and I had to impress him and I feel so special because I passed his qualifiers and got him! I’m the luckiest girl int he world!!”


    • YaReally
      on July 29, 2015 at 11:27 am
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      @Sentient
      @The Awakened One

      On looks: note that nothing I’ve described involved “grow a few more inches” or “stand in a pose that flexes your muscles” etc A short fat dude could execute the shit I’m describing. In fact he’d benefit more because he doesn’t look like the type that SHOULD be able to do any of this, so there’s more of an “I don’t get it, is he a celebrity or something?” curiosity to it.

      It’s all subcomms and raising value and playing off human (and especially female) psychology.

      Most of the guys (not you, just in the Manosphere in general) who piss and moan (or brag) about looks are guys who would read what I’m describing and either 1) not get it or why it works, or 2) think it’s too much work and go back to shotgun blasting SOIs at girls and dealing with like a 90% flake rate and fuck another HB7 they settled for at the end of the night when they choked with the HB9 in a mixed set that they ACTUALLY wanted, or 3) happily go home with an HB6 that approached them all “you’re really cute” because it was easy and “she was DTF bro”

      Barely anyone even reads MM anymore let alone puts in the hours/effort to learn how to execute this shit in-field and custom tailor it to their personality/vibe so they don’t just look like weird Mystery Wannabes.



Field Test: The MAXIMUM ALPHA MALE MODE Walk

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Ripp
on July 23, 2015 at 7:16 am
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This aligns with a past CH post discussing a study that shows T level boost in posture.


  • mendozatorres
    on July 23, 2015 at 8:28 am
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    Yeah, there is a post where he does touch on that.


    • YaReally
      on July 23, 2015 at 1:46 pm
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      @captain obvious

      Oh god this again lol new drinking game: do a shot for every time the cap’n says “psycho-social symbolisms”.

      Pussy is pussy is pussy. Too lazy to link my last breakdown of why your pedestalizing of women is retarded hamster rationalization.

      Plz tell us more about how if a girl wears turquoise and her hair is 0.73 inches below her shoulder line and Venus is in alignment with Mars her psycho-social symbolism detector will make her immune to her biology like a wizard in an rpg. Do I need to boil 3 bat wings in a cauldron to attract her or can I substitute the eyeball of a newt?



Lindy “Immense” West Got Married…

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YaReally
on July 22, 2015 at 4:04 pm
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Christ they look like they arrived in a clown car but even one of those ones that fits infinite clowns wouldn’t have room for her.

I hereby decree that all Lindy West and generally ugly feminist chick articles include a video of this chick at the bottom:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/the-incidental-squirt/#comment-687957

I almost threw up my lunch stumbling onto this Lindy pic after getting blindsided with that Simpsons overbite cuckold hoax chick’s pic…Tyson couldn’t set up a more brutal 1-2 combo. Show some mercy on us, CH.



The Incidental Squirt

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Culum Struan
on July 21, 2015 at 6:41 pm
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YaReally and gang

FR – my first LJBF since I can’t remember. So many contradictory signals

1. Early 30s HB7-7.5 brunette pilates instructor – great body. Would have been a hard 8 at 25 and is still attractive. (This is the one who responded well to sending walawala’s lion picture). Good comfort building by WhatsApp and she was very responsive. She’s very “spiritual” and New Agey.

2. From a sugar site, but very obviously not a gold digger, although there was something on text about “Yes, I need a man..”.

3. Met for a drink – she’s dressed up with make up – Good Sign.

4. She says within 2 mins (when I teased her about a big handbag) that she has to leave in about an hour to go stay overnight with a friend. Bad Sign. I’m a bit annoyed – I don’t mind her going somewhere else after like 2 hours but only 1 hour or so with no warning of time constraints is rude (I’d cleared my evening to bang her after all lol).


  • YaReally
    on July 21, 2015 at 7:47 pm
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    @Culum
    Golddigger. She was willing to put up with all that convo kino etc. shit to find out if you’ve got $$$ and want to shower her with it because of her body (which HAS to look good because she’s old as shit and knows she has to keep it good).

    She showed up with the express purpose of gathering intel, not fucking, that’s why she had “other plans” arranged (probably didn’t, or had another dude lined up).

    You dodged enough work/money/arrangement questions that she went “ok, he’s a waste of my time” and pulled the plug. Same as when a stripper is talking to you and you’re blabbing with her and she likes it but you keep dodging the “do you want a dance?” question and she realizes “ok this guy is a dead-end”.

    If you had said like “I’m a bla bla career guy and I’m looking to spoil a girl” she would have gone along with it all but intended to withhold sex till after you paid out and even then would make it difficult to bang her and try to ration sexual favors/attention out for as much $ as possible while she’s ACTUALLY getting railed by some other dude she’s more attracted to. So you would get the reward of paying her rent while some penniless alpha fucker bangs her yoga bod out.

    My guess based on her fully stand-off-ish as-soon-as-she-arrived behavior is that she wasn’t that into your looks to begin with on the sugar site but your profile probably sounds intriguing enough for her to give you a chance if you have $…so when you avoided the $ too much, she pulled the plug because she wasn’t that into your looks.

    She might’ve banged you even without the $ if you were more her type looks-wise in general but not much you can do about that. The key with the not her type thing is her shock that you said the love-making thing…even if she enjoyed the comment, she wasn’t in a receptive state to being seduced at that point and was more likely thinking “that’s completely incongruent with the ATM I planned to milk money out of that I’ve been viewing him as so far”. If you had had solid attraction that would have been a turn-on instead of a wtf to her. Same with the kino etc. She went along with it because she didn’t know for sure that you weren’t a solid bankroll for her.

    Personally I’d say you dodged a bullet. Chick probably has a few sugar daddy betas on the go, may have been going to meet up with another one after her date with you. She knows what she’s doing.

    Now what would have been interesting is if when she said she had to leave in an hour, you stood up and walked out totally-non-butthurt saying “That’s alright, we can do this another time when you have more time for me.” like you just expect women to make time for you because that’s what you’re used to. I bet her head would implode trying to figure THAT one out lol



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martin
on July 12, 2015 at 4:52 pm
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My experience has been that men with more wealth and intelligence have larger families, Sentient is just another confirmation of that. You wouldn’t know this from anything on the media that sort of attributes 1 maybe 2 children to a wealthy couple living in a city. Regarding academia, you can’t think of it as an institution that is trying to find the truth or preserve knowledge. It used to be, in fact professors were considered ultra conservative and often had to be ministers or theologians. Right now, academia is kind of like a ball. You dress up in the fanciest of clothes and attempt to climb the social ladder as high as you can. So it is just pretentiousness and social climbing, although, if you are good at this you can greatly enhance your life in academia.


  • Captain Obvious
    on July 12, 2015 at 4:59 pm
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    Martin, I’m calling it the Gramscian Cocoon of Anti-Reality and the State within a State. These Elitists have developed an entirely different language and a set of psycho-social symbolisms and signaling which normal folks don’t know, can’t speak, and can’t participate in.


    • YaReally
      on July 14, 2015 at 5:28 am
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      Bunch of gay shit right here.

      If you end up needing to know “psycho-social symbolisms” and listening to them “say things that sound abstract but that mean nothing or can’t be disproved” and shit it’s because you are boring and let her set the frame of what to talk about and qualifying you and get sucked into her frame and talk about stupid shit and qualify yourself.

      It’s like when the RVF guys cry about meeting feminists in-field. They talk a big game about what badasses they are online then when you see them actually IN set they’re standing there like puppy dogs letting the girl dictate the conversation and reacting to her instead of forcing her to react to them and then she goes off onto retarded tangents and qualifying the guy and he’s going along with her plan and gets sucked into it and then she trots out some bullshit and disqualifies him and he walks away going “wah wah I ran into a bitchy feminist cunt fuck all these bitches and their feminism and social elitism bla bla”

      But it’s because he LET her do that shit because she’s got “high value” (in the high-end social scene) or because he’s desperate to get laid (in the feminist situs where he’ll let her talk about anything because he’s too chickenshit to just cut her threads and steamroll over her frame), instead of dominating the interaction.

      Like you know what the answer is to “what do you do for a living?” You don’t fucking answer it, because you shouldn’t GET that question as a shit-test because you’ve already taken the lead and put her on the defensive trying to get her balance on her heels defending what SHE does, thinks, or how she looks or acts, before she ever asks that question so that when she DOES ask that question it’s as an actual ioi instead of a shit-test because you just rocked her frame.

      Even IF a high-end chick blows you out, you just befriend some dudes nearby and merge sets into a mixed set, build some social proof, and open the high-end chicks with girls on your arm. That’s all the “psycho-social symbolisms” they need. Page 1 of fucking Mystery Method lol

      Sometimes I wonder what other guys are even DOING in-field. Has ANYONE here studied MM?? Shit is BUILT for landing girls from high-value social circles.


    • YaReally
      on July 14, 2015 at 5:54 am
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      Here’s an MM refresher for the newbies on getting “impossible high-end elite girls” and retarded feminists:

      1) Your walk around the bar solo and approach direct “I thought you were cute and I’d kick myself if I didn’t come say hi” opener that works on the drunk 7s at the bar is probably stupid shit that’s going to 1) get you blown out right away and 2) put the ball in her court to lead the conversation and you’re probably going to end up talking about stupid shit and getting disqualified by her “psycho-social symbolism” shit. You’re just forcing her to run her standard shit on you.

      2) Go indirect. Demonstrate High Value in her vicinity instead of directly TO her so that she’s curious about you. That means charm other people in the room and let her see you doing so. If she isn’t biting, keep DHV’ing. You can DHV *FOREVER*. If Brad Pitt or Clooney or whoever’s popular with the kids these days was in the room in tennis shoes and a t-shirt, would she want to fuck him? Yes, because she knows he’s high-value. So accepting that means you have to accept that IF SHE THINKS YOUR VALUE IS HIGH ENOUGH SHE WILL WANT TO FUCK YOU.

      3) How do we DHV in a high-end social scene to seem LIKE Brad Pitt in that evening? Start with dudes, because dudes are always friendly and you should be able to chat up dudes and joke around with them about shit and get them laughing and loving you. I usually start by complimenting their suits and shit saying fuck I should’ve dressed up you guys are gonna get all the girls tonight I’m gonna be a virgin forever etc. This is like, basic social skills shit. Now you’re in with a group of dudes so you’re not some loner there.

      4) If it’s a mixer enviro where people don’t all know eachother yet, open girls that pass by and throw them at your buddies (“HEY. Stop, you need to meet my buddy, Buddy this is Random Girl Name, Random Girl Name this is Buddy.”) Doesn’t matter if they get the girl or not they will love that you just threw pussy at them and gave them a chance.

      5) If they all know eachother already because it’s a clique enviro then just focus on befriending the dudes and you’ll naturally meet the girls through them and can focus on running MM group theory when that happens.

      6) If all the dudes are assholes for some reason because you’re dressed like shit (I’m too poor to afford rich clothes/shoes lol and people who can afford that stuff can tell lol), befriend the staff. They’re literally PAID to be friendly to you and they’re either cool handsome dudes or hot chicks, either way joking around with them gets you social proof. Use that blink of social proof to open whatever group (a group is better than a solo girl, in a group at least ONE of them will be cool with you and like you, VS a solo girl where she may just shoot you down or her group comes to protect her, so ideally you want to order your drink beside the big group doing shots, sometimes they’ll even include you in the group shot because they have money and love you because you made one clever comment and they want everyone to have fun) is beside you when you order that drink and start building shit from there.

      7) Now you’ve got SOME kind of social proof. From here standard MM you merge sets forward, introduce groups to eachother, be the social connector. None of this requires saying “I work at McDonald’s and I’m too poor and uneducated to be here”, you’re just running light social game spreading value to everyone so that everyone has a fun time.

      8) ANY girl that’s checking you out at this point, because they’re curious who the fuck this guy is, you include in the fun but indirectly. Bring her group into your conversation with your social proof sets and get their opinion and shit on the topic while you ignore her (again standard MM). Joke around and have fun and keep DHV’ing until she’s demanding your attention (and she WILL demand your attention if she’s the only one you’re not engaging and she’s smokin hot and used to attention).

      9) Cover all your bases, cross your t’s and dot your i’s with getting her group to love you and then go into standard MM qualifying her and if she won’t play along neg/tease her then just keep DHV’ing to the rest of her group until you can qualify her again and loop that until she starts to try to pass your qualifications.

      10) When she’s FINALLY trying to pass your qualifiers, so she’s attracted enough that she won’t care if you work at McDonald’s, isolate her from the group and do your one on one thing. She won’t test as hard and will forgive and hamster rationalize your flaws that she would’ve disqualified you for at the start, because you have value to her now.

      That’s it. Oh no it’s impossible. Ya it’s impossible if you’re trying to run shitty game on her instead of following the literal step by step guide Mystery laid out for these environments.

      Daygame is trickier because it’s harder to DHV since there’s less people around, but even opening a little old lady in front of her warms the set up. If it’s a coffee shop etc, be loud and joke around with the barista and get a cute chick in line giggling before you go sit by the one you want. There’s tons of options, get creative.


    • YaReally
      on July 14, 2015 at 10:25 am
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      Oh mod, why do you hate me so? Is it the brackets? Is it the quotation marks? Who can say? A question for the ages is “how does CH’s mod work”?

      Reposting so it doesn’t get lost:

      Here’s an MM refresher for the newbies on getting “impossible high-end elite girls” and retarded feminists:

      1) Your walk around the bar solo and approach direct “I thought you were cute and I’d kick myself if I didn’t come say hi” opener that works on the drunk 7s at the bar is probably stupid shit that’s going to 1) get you blown out right away and 2) put the ball in her court to lead the conversation and you’re probably going to end up talking about stupid shit and getting disqualified by her “psycho-social symbolism” shit. You’re just forcing her to run her standard shit on you.

      2) Go indirect. Demonstrate High Value in her vicinity instead of directly TO her so that she’s curious about you. That means charm other people in the room and let her see you doing so. If she isn’t biting, keep DHV’ing. You can DHV *FOREVER*. If Brad Pitt or Clooney or whoever’s popular with the kids these days was in the room in tennis shoes and a t-shirt, would she want to fuck him? Yes, because she knows he’s high-value. So accepting that means you have to accept that IF SHE THINKS YOUR VALUE IS HIGH ENOUGH SHE WILL WANT TO FUCK YOU.

      3) How do we DHV in a high-end social scene to seem LIKE Brad Pitt in that evening? Start with dudes, because dudes are always friendly and you should be able to chat up dudes and joke around with them about shit and get them laughing and loving you. I usually start by complimenting their suits and shit saying fuck I should’ve dressed up you guys are gonna get all the girls tonight I’m gonna be a virgin forever etc. This is like, basic social skills shit. Now you’re in with a group of dudes so you’re not some loner there.

      4) If it’s a mixer enviro where people don’t all know eachother yet, open girls that pass by and throw them at your buddies (“HEY. Stop, you need to meet my buddy, Buddy this is Random Girl Name, Random Girl Name this is Buddy.”) Doesn’t matter if they get the girl or not they will love that you just threw pussy at them and gave them a chance.

      5) If they all know eachother already because it’s a clique enviro then just focus on befriending the dudes and you’ll naturally meet the girls through them and can focus on running MM group theory when that happens.

      6) If all the dudes are assholes for some reason because you’re dressed like shit (I’m too poor to afford rich clothes/shoes lol and people who can afford that stuff can tell lol), befriend the staff. They’re literally PAID to be friendly to you and they’re either cool handsome dudes or hot chicks, either way joking around with them gets you social proof. Use that blink of social proof to open whatever group (a group is better than a solo girl, in a group at least ONE of them will be cool with you and like you, VS a solo girl where she may just shoot you down or her group comes to protect her, so ideally you want to order your drink beside the big group doing shots, sometimes they’ll even include you in the group shot because they have money and love you because you made one clever comment and they want everyone to have fun) is beside you when you order that drink and start building shit from there.

      7) Now you’ve got SOME kind of social proof. From here standard MM you merge sets forward, introduce groups to eachother, be the social connector. None of this requires saying “I work at McDonald’s and I’m too poor and uneducated to be here”, you’re just running light social game spreading value to everyone so that everyone has a fun time.

      8) ANY girl that’s checking you out at this point, because they’re curious who the fuck this guy is, you include in the fun but indirectly. Bring her group into your conversation with your social proof sets and get their opinion and shit on the topic while you ignore her (again standard MM). Joke around and have fun and keep DHV’ing until she’s demanding your attention (and she WILL demand your attention if she’s the only one you’re not engaging and she’s smokin hot and used to attention).

      9) Cover all your bases, cross your t’s and dot your i’s with getting her group to love you and then go into standard MM qualifying her and if she won’t play along neg/tease her then just keep DHV’ing to the rest of her group until you can qualify her again and loop that until she starts to try to pass your qualifications.

      10) When she’s FINALLY trying to pass your qualifiers, so she’s attracted enough that she won’t care if you work at McDonald’s, isolate her from the group and do your one on one thing. She won’t test as hard and will forgive and hamster rationalize your flaws that she would’ve disqualified you for at the start, because you have value to her now.

      That’s it. Oh no it’s impossible. Ya it’s impossible if you’re trying to run shitty game on her instead of following the literal step by step guide Mystery laid out for these environments.

      Daygame is trickier because it’s harder to DHV since there’s less people around, but even opening a little old lady in front of her warms the set up. If it’s a coffee shop etc, be loud and joke around with the barista and get a cute chick in line giggling before you go sit by the one you want. There’s tons of options, get creative.


    • YaReally
      on July 15, 2015 at 7:16 am
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      @Captain Obvious
      “if walked up to her and blurted out an opener, she would refuse to even make eye contact with you – she’d look right through you as though you weren’t even there.”

      Yes, that’s why in my first paragraph I said: “1) Your walk around the bar solo and approach direct “I thought you were cute and I’d kick myself if I didn’t come say hi” opener that works on the drunk 7s at the bar is probably stupid shit that’s going to 1) get you blown out right away”

      And then went on to explain step by step how to NOT “walk up to her and blurt out an opener” like a retard and instead use tried and tested MM Group Theory to indirectly get her.

      Fucking ridiculous how many guys try to use a the handle end of a screwdriver to turn a screw and when it obviously doesn’t work they declare “THIS SCREW CANNOT BE TURNED BY A SCREWDRIVER” to excuse their failure and try to convince other guys that it’s impossible when they weren’t using the right end of the tool to begin with.

      But hey whatever helps you sleep at night, I know I’m not going to convince you to take those chicks off the golden pedestal. I’m just posting for the lurkers so they don’t listen to your “sky is falling” nonsense lol



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walawala
on July 10, 2015 at 10:02 pm
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Ok, I have a situation. The 27 year old I wrote about, texted me. We had a chat…I told her about wanting to bang her. She claimed she was so distraught over not seeing me. Suddenly she created a FB group…calling me a lying bastard with my photo etc….wrote my female friends with the link…published photo grabs of my text conversations with her. .

I then reported this as abuse to FB and called police. Police advised that no actual laws were broken because no threats were made, just slander…and for harassment you need a pattern. Interestingly, people wrote me to say they stood by me and would ignore. Sick girls going over the edge and creating this drama.


  • Anonymous
    on July 10, 2015 at 10:30 pm
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    ummm. prolly coulda avoided some of that drama if you’d taken the advice from the other guys when they told you she was needing some comfort game. just a thought.


    • YaReally
      on July 14, 2015 at 9:41 am
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      @walawala
      “she posted my texts where I was very firm and clear about banging her. She sent this to my female friends on FB two of whom sent them to me with “you better do something”… and actually complained to FB to pull it down. So common sense prevailed.

      But does getting a crazed stalker like that raise my value or lower it in front of girls?”

      Raises. If she’s ugly, maybe not, but otherwise it raises it ’cause it’s a girl who’s obsessed with you. The problem is chicks also don’t want to deal with crazy and have some psycho bitch scratch out their hair or kill their dog for seeing you, so the value can be offset by the “but I ain’t going NEAR that shitshow” avoidance lol so like, it’s not necessarily going to translate into lays the way DHV’ing other ways would.

      “The FB route is a crazy minefield. The FWB route is much better, it seems to me.”

      It’s like Miyagi says: left side of road: good. Right side: good. Middle of road: squish like grape.

      If you’re gonna do FBs, then keep things STRICTLY to fucking and disqualify yourself as any kind of potential suitor, don’t see them more than once every week (or two more preferably), accept that you may lose them when they crave commitment and seek it elsewhere, never break your “we are about sex only” frame or let her develop feelings, never do anything with her outside of one of you showing up at the others’ door to fuck.

      If you wanna invite her out dancing and to social events and have cuddle dates and watch movies and go for dinners and add eachother on Facebook and let her think she can be your GF someday and let her know your name and last name and introduce her to your social circles or get involved with girls IN your social circles who can find out your name and friends and job, see them more than once a week, txt daily, etc., and do all that FWB type shit, then you’re gonna potentially have this kind of drama if you drop ’em cold ’cause that’s being middle of the road (acting like their a FWB and then dropping them like they’re an FB).

      This is why I say you have to have VERY defined roles for women in your life. They’ll accept whatever frame you set but you have to SET that frame and ADHERE to it. If you break that frame and start letting your secondary feel like a primary (take her to dinner or a social event, see her more than once a week, let her not put out without punishment) or treat your primary like a secondary (flake on her for another girl, ignore her texts too often, let her feel like other girls are more important or could take her place, not give her special primary privileges) then shit will hit the fan because you’re captain of the ship and you’re steering in circles because you have no self control and are focused on getting your dick wet instead of the long-term micro-management game to avoid drama.

      As long as you have a plan and stick to it tho, like the Joker says “nobody panics when things go “according to plan” even if the plan is horrifying”

      This crazy bitch expected to become your primary, which means you either let her think that, encouraged her to think that, or missed the signs that she was thinking it and didn’t snuff that shit out on day one, so it took root and grew into this crazy shit lol

      Lots of lessons to learn from it. :)


  • martin
    on July 11, 2015 at 1:12 pm
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    she created a fb group? that’s so 2007.


    • YaReally
      on July 14, 2015 at 5:15 am
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      @walawala

      “I then went into comfort by telling her I wanted to see her. But my initial instincts that this was another Cluster B with Borderline traits: extreme jealousy, lack of boundaries, tattoos, vindictiveness—come here/go away tendencies, sexualizing quickly—like my crazy ex— should have been taken more seriously. Instead I engaged her and that only provoked one of her insecurities and she took that extreme and inappropriate action of posting nonsense.”

      lol yup. You learn to spot the signs pretty early on, but because we want poon we usually ignore them like idiots and then end up caught in the crazy web.

      There are 3 billion chicks in the world, if a girl brings you ANY sort of drama or gives signs of cluster B shit, get the fuck out of there. Lie if you have to, it ain’t worth it, she’ll cut your dick off in your sleep. I don’t have a 3 strikes you’re out policy, they get 1 strike so I’m out before I’m too entrenched in her world.


    • YaReally
      on July 14, 2015 at 9:29 am
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      @walawala
      “so why did my crazy ex send me screen grabs of the initial posts calling me every name in the book?”

      because:

      “5 months of no contact on my part. As you said, I realized enough was enough.”

      She’s just been handed a new index card to add to her rolodex of “shit to try to get walawala’s attention with”. The rest of the rolodex quit working and you stopped responding, then your crazy bitch handed your ex a gold-plated new rolodex card to get your attention with.

      If you responded to your ex at all, then the rolodex card worked and now you will probably have to deal with her again. If you didn’t respond to her at all then she’ll wait till she finds a new rolodex card to try.

      She hasn’t given up lol 5 months is nothing. Her current rolodex just finally became ineffective is all. You’ll hear from her in like 5 years if she gets a new rolodex card 5 years from now.


    • YaReally
      on July 14, 2015 at 11:28 am
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      @walawala

      “Even my anger is proof I still care.”

      You’ve learned your lesson, grasshopper. ;) Like I say a year or two (?) ago: any news is good news. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference. ANY reaction, good or bad, is a reaction to a Cluster B.

      “I thought of a dozen witty rejoinders or responses.”

      That’s exactly what she wants you to do. She’ll even drop WIDE OPENINGS where you’re like “oh come on I HAVE to respond to this she’s LYING about something or she’s SO WRONG about how she thinks something went down” etc. so you call her out on it which is part of the rolodex.

      “In the end, I just left it. 5 months is great.:

      Props to ya, you understand it now. You slipped a bunch at the start but every guy’s gotta’ learn this shit the hard way. It gets easier over time, you start viewing them as basically poison. It’s not hard to stay away from poison lol The trick is learning that lesson before there’s REAL consequences like false rape accusations and shit.

      “My birthday will be coming up in a couple of weeks. I’m sure to get another message.”

      Probably lol And if you don’t, that’s ALSO a rolodex card called “ignore him when he expects me to txt him to see if he reaches out” They spin an intricate web.


  • YaReally
    on July 14, 2015 at 4:47 am
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    This is part of why I’m not a big social circle game fan. When you stick to being anonymous it’s a lot harder for a girl to view “ruin your reputation” as a way to vent her bad feels.

    This is also why I prefer the blunt “I’m not going to be your boyfriend” approach where I make it clear up front to not expect to date me. A lot of Naturals do the “promise her the world” thing and then don’t want to see her anymore and they get drama like this. Short-term reward (getting in her pants easier by letting her think she can date you as a GF) for long-term potential drama like this when she realizes she can’t.

    This girl herself if it were me I would send one txt that says “Do not ever contact me again.” with a period at the end like there’s no debate, and then change her number to “CRAZY BITCH” (which ends up being a DHV if a girl sees your phone blink on with a txt from her but more importantly reminds you what she did and reminds you not to give her any contact).

    It’s possible she may pull the FB group if you do a hardcore “you no longer exist to me” style freezeout. A lot of times girls are just demanding attention and don’t realize how fucked up this shit is, but either way she’s shown the type of girl she is.

    You COULD do the restraining order route, I don’t know what the laws/culture are like where you are but I know that sometimes chicks going batshit like this will file a restraining order on YOU first to help solidify their crazy victim complex to people around them.

    Good luck dude



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Meet Me
on July 14, 2015 at 8:40 am
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Interested to hear what you guys think is the best way to increase the odds that not only you meet people but segue that into (discreet) broadcasting of social status or position, as per the hierarchy recognition of red pill described above. That is, do you just need to hang out with more people and make more connectdions, whatever they may be? I’ve revisited the 30 year old threshold for women and definitely agree with it — saw my friend swiping away at some tinder type app (maybe it was) and it seemed to me that maybe 1 in a 100 was a “7”. Brutal. I guess that’s why more apps are coming out with the “social proof” edge because even if a girl were to find you attractive, she still doesn’t really believe it until something else (or several things) are verified. Anyways, more confirmation at least from my point of view that the age 30 thing is devastatingly true. I’ve worked hard to get my status, and my question is, “Why the f would I date girls near my same age?” Seems stupid as hell for all the reasons given here over a long time.


  • YaReally
    on July 14, 2015 at 10:00 am
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    @Meet Me
    “Interested to hear what you guys think is the best way to increase the odds that not only you meet people but segue that into (discreet) broadcasting of social status or position, as per the hierarchy recognition of red pill described above.”

    Mystery Method lays it all out step by step. Invest the time to watch Mystery’s long-ass seminar vids on it on YouTube. Then cold approach and apply MM.

    Read my MM breakdown of how you would apply that shit in real life here when/if it comes out of mod someday:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/07/12/comment-of-the-week-grandparents-vs-professors/#comment-685880

    And there’s absolutely no reason you should be fucking around with girls age 30+ unless you’re like, 50yo or it’s for a laugh. That’s ridiculous. I don’t even know how old you are and it’s ridiculous. 30+yo chicks are broken as fuck.



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YaReally
on July 7th, 2015 at 4:09 am
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Drive-by real-talk for bnon that he won’t listen to and scribblerg

All of your goals conflict and you expect way too much self-awareness and forward thinking from someone with the mental capacity of a 4yo, and probably thought “YaReally doesn’t know her, she’s actually really intelligent” as you read that 4yo comment and will be very disappointed when she falls off the pedestal you’ve put her on.

First rule of fight club is you don’t talk about fight club. How many fucking articles does Rollo have on this very sure alone that are trying to tell you that women CAN’T understand the male perspective and red pill truths. They are fundamentally unable to accept anything that doesn’t align with how they feel things should be in any given moment. But you want to try to tell her about fight club. She will ultimately give no fucks. She’ll pretend to and she’ll do the sucking up shit red pill groupie women do where they tell you what you want to hear but when push comes to shove they will run on their emotional feels-based instincts and do whatever it is they want to do which will follow the exact shit you told them not to do.

You want to teach her to be a slutty whore who loves sex but then you want her to keep a low N-count. How do you think feeding a 4yo cookies and getting them hooked on cookies and then leaving them alone in a room full of cookies with legs that dance around them and try to get in their mouth will go?

You want to teach her a script to follow in bed but don’t want her to follow a script in bed. This is stupid. Get a girl who already knows how to fuck (can’t do that tho, you want a low N-count girl who’s just magically good at sucking cock…how do you think girls who suck good cock got good at it? Magic? Have you ever seen someone pick up a guitar and play like Jimi Hendrix on their first try?), or accept that until she knows how to wing it on her own and naturally follow the script, it’s not going to seem organic. Again, hand a 4yo a guitar and see if they can play like Jimi their first or second try.

You want her to not turn out like the two people who’ve been influencing her their entire life with their actions and non-actions. Tell a 16yo who’s been driven to school every day their entire life that they now have to walk to school, but leave them keys to the car and see if they walk or drive.

You picked a low N-count girl then you’re surprised she doesn’t know what crazy wild kinky shit she wants in bed. What did you expect? You want a girl who knows her body fuck a girl who’s had a bunch of partners and variety of sex and has learned about what makes her wet. Even IF she knew what kinky shit she likes you do you think she’s going to say “ok I want you to pee on me then slap me around and spit in my face calling me a fucking pathetic little cum dumpster and then I want you to make me blow my pet dog” and risk you going “holy shit wtf is wrong with you” and dump her?

You want to “save” this girl from herself when you’re not around to keep her in check. You cannot. The second you are gone she will ignore everything you tried to teach her and rationalize around it to follow her feels and do what she wants. And you want to teach her to be all self-aware and run on logic instead of her emotions. She is not as smart or self-aware or interested in self-development as you dream she is and even if she was she doesn’t have the self-control or long-term reward for short-term discipline mindset you dream she does.

This mindset you have where you want to teach girls life lessons will get you trapped in an LTR with a BPD chick trying to “fix” her someday.

Don’t try to fix her, she doesn’t want to be fixed or taught. Just enjoy her for what she is: a large 4yo that runs on emotions and feels in the moment. “But YaReally, NAWALT!! I taught her to do think bullshit thing and she REALLY DOES think it now!! She says so and everything and even tho she’s lower SMV than me and wants to not lose me she’s totally not just saying it to impress me. Once I’m gone she will totally follow that advice I gave her because she’s NAWALT”

…teach her how to give a good bj tho. The other guys on the cock carousel she rides after you teach her how amazing sex is will love the bj and the script you give her won’t feel like a script to them cause they didn’t write it lol

P.S. I’m being an asshole so it punches you in the dick and you listen lol cuz no one ever does when you coddle it. OR when you say it like an asshole really, but saying it like an asshole is more fun for me lol


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Drive-by real-talk for bnon that he won’t listen to and scribblerg

All of your goals conflict and you expect way too much self-awareness and forward thinking from someone with the mental capacity of a 4yo, and probably thought “YaReally doesn’t know her, she’s actually really intelligent” as you read that 4yo comment and will be very disappointed when she falls off the pedestal you’ve put her on.

First rule of fight club is you don’t talk about fight club. How many fucking articles does Rollo have on this very sure alone that are trying to tell you that women CAN’T understand the male perspective and red pill truths. They are fundamentally unable to accept anything that doesn’t align with how they feel things should be in any given moment. But you want to try to tell her about fight club. She will ultimately give no fucks. She’ll pretend to and she’ll do the sucking up shit red pill groupie women do where they tell you what you want to hear but when push comes to shove they will run on their emotional feels-based instincts and do whatever it is they want to do which will follow the exact shit you told them not to do.

You want to teach her to be a slutty whore who loves sex but then you want her to keep a low N-count. How do you think feeding a 4yo cookies and getting them hooked on cookies and then leaving them alone in a room full of cookies with legs that dance around them and try to get in their mouth will go?

You want to teach her a script to follow in bed but don’t want her to follow a script in bed. This is stupid. Get a girl who already knows how to fuck (can’t do that tho, you want a low N-count girl who’s just magically good at sucking cock…how do you think girls who suck good cock got good at it? Magic? Have you ever seen someone pick up a guitar and play like Jimi Hendrix on their first try?), or accept that until she knows how to wing it on her own and naturally follow the script, it’s not going to seem organic. Again, hand a 4yo a guitar and see if they can play like Jimi their first or second try.

You want her to not turn out like the two people who’ve been influencing her their entire life with their actions and non-actions. Tell a 16yo who’s been driven to school every day their entire life that they now have to walk to school, but leave them keys to the car and see if they walk or drive.

You picked a low N-count girl then you’re surprised she doesn’t know what crazy wild kinky shit she wants in bed. What did you expect? You want a girl who knows her body fuck a girl who’s had a bunch of partners and variety of sex and has learned about what makes her wet. Even IF she knew what kinky shit she likes you do you think she’s going to say “ok I want you to pee on me then slap me around and spit in my face calling me a fucking pathetic little cum dumpster and then I want you to make me blow my pet dog” and risk you going “holy shit wtf is wrong with you” and dump her?

You want to “save” this girl from herself when you’re not around to keep her in check. You cannot. The second you are gone she will ignore everything you tried to teach her and rationalize around it to follow her feels and do what she wants. And you want to teach her to be all self-aware and run on logic instead of her emotions. She is not as smart or self-aware or interested in self-development as you dream she is and even if she was she doesn’t have the self-control or long-term reward for short-term discipline mindset you dream she does.

This mindset you have where you want to teach girls life lessons will get you trapped in an LTR with a BPD chick trying to “fix” her someday.

Don’t try to fix her, she doesn’t want to be fixed or taught. Just enjoy her for what she is: a large 4yo that runs on emotions and feels in the moment. “But YaReally, NAWALT!! I taught her to do think bullshit thing and she REALLY DOES think it now!! She says so and everything and even tho she’s lower SMV than me and wants to not lose me she’s totally not just saying it to impress me. Once I’m gone she will totally follow that advice I gave her because she’s NAWALT”

…teach her how to give a good bj tho. The other guys on the cock carousel she rides after you teach her how amazing sex is will love the bj and the script you give her won’t feel like a script to them cause they didn’t write it lol

P.S. I’m being an asshole so it punches you in the dick and you listen lol cuz no one ever does when you coddle it. OR when you say it like an asshole really, but saying it like an asshole is more fun for me lol


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Sorry my wording reads weird, meant to tag scribblerg just cause he requested the reply and I happened to see his request, the advice in the post is for bnon.


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@Vulpine

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/JShRlvagXmk

“Male prostitution is likely to take off in a big way, considering the women in the workforce. Why not flip-the-script and make women pay for sex?”

I agree. But pay attention to that video (specifically the part like 2/3rds through where he talks about not fucking them, and scolding them etc.) what will blow most guys’ mind is that women will pay for a lot less than sex. They crave a very different experience from a man than we crave from a woman…figure out how to sell what the customer ACTUALLY needs: masculine energy.

One of the reasons I do well with the <25yo crowd even tho I'm in my 30s is that they've never met a "man" before. A guy who's frame and mindsets are solid like an oak tree and who will scold them when they're dumb, reward them when they're good, and doesn't react to her shit-tests or attempts to gain hand etc.

I'm not even some badass alpha Clint Eastwood. But compared to the effeminate hipster brainwashed-by-the-FI no-father no-male-role-models weak-willed yes-ma'am raised-by-women terrified-of-making-a-move male peers they've grown up with and are surrounded by, I come off like the father figure they never had combined with a sexual intent they've never experienced and are inexplicably attracted to both because their psyche instinctively NEEDS it but hasn't been able to experience it because of how the FI raises kids these days.

They look like deer in the headlights because it's LITERALLY an energy they've never run into in their life. Any men they DO know before they get out into the "real world" where I'll run into them, are huge FI-brainwashed manginas…even the authority figures and fathers if they DO have them bow down to the FI.

So when they try their usual shit on me and I blow through it and make them feel like a kid caught with her hand in the cookie jar by an alpha male father, they just instinctively are like "w-w-what is THIS?? I've never encountered THIS before…and why do I like it so much???"

As for the future, I don't view it as bleak as most of the RP/Manosphere communities. Here's my theory on it:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=%22reversion+theory%22


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@Vulpine

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/JShRlvagXmk

“Male prostitution is likely to take off in a big way, considering the women in the workforce. Why not flip-the-script and make women pay for sex?”

I agree. But pay attention to that video (specifically the part like 2/3rds through where he talks about not fucking them, and scolding them etc.) what will blow most guys’ mind is that women will pay for a lot less than sex. They crave a very different experience from a man than we crave from a woman…figure out how to sell what the customer ACTUALLY needs: masculine energy.

One of the reasons I do well with the <25yo crowd even tho I'm in my 30s is that they've never met a "man" before. A guy who's frame and mindsets are solid like an oak tree and who will scold them when they're dumb, reward them when they're good, and doesn't react to her shit-tests or attempts to gain hand etc.

I'm not even some badass alpha Clint Eastwood. But compared to the effeminate hipster brainwashed-by-the-FI no-father no-male-role-models weak-willed yes-ma'am raised-by-women terrified-of-making-a-move male peers they've grown up with and are surrounded by, I come off like the father figure they never had combined with a sexual intent they've never experienced and are inexplicably attracted to both because their psyche instinctively NEEDS it but hasn't been able to experience it because of how the FI raises kids these days.

They look like deer in the headlights because it's LITERALLY an energy they've never run into in their life. Any men they DO know before they get out into the "real world" where I'll run into them, are huge FI-brainwashed manginas…even the authority figures and fathers if they DO have them bow down to the FI.

So when they try their usual shit on me and I blow through it and make them feel like a kid caught with her hand in the cookie jar by an alpha male father, they just instinctively are like "w-w-what is THIS?? I've never encountered THIS before…and why do I like it so much???"

As for the future, I don't view it as bleak as most of the RP/Manosphere communities. Here's my theory on it:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=%22reversion+theory%22


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“Aggression/violence is male’s natural analog to hypergamy thus for the female strategy to succeed the male’s strategy must be disarmed to be defeated.”

I agree with this. It’s working, too. Part of why I don’t care if a girl is taken is that in the <2008s(ish) if a girl for caught cheating the guy she's cheating with would get the shit kicked out of him and the boyfriend's buddies would rally up and hunt him down. They say that guy is an asshole who disrespected you, lets get him!

But now? I don't worry at all about that. Because society has shifted to where if she gets caught that guy will blame HER and be mad at HER and his buddies will say she's a cheating bitch who disrespected him and they'll say that guy was just trying to get laid but she shouldn't have been flirting with him encouraging it because they've ALL had girls cheat on them and know.

Plus on top of it with legalities and everything these days no one wants to take a swing for real unless they're being taunted directly in the high emotion moment but they aren't gonna hunt me down and kick my ass like they're Liam Neeson. The rage will dissipate and turn to sadness and he'll focus on her betraying him. 99% of the badass super alpha keyboard warriors who tell me they would kick my ass when they read me talking a out this shit are living in a fantasy world and don't realize that if I fucked their girl they wouldn't do shit except maybe break up with her.

So he can't beat HER up. And he can't justify beating ME up. So ta-da, male aggression/rage over her Hypergamy is neutralized.

Most of those guys won't have the abundance mentality to go get another girl so they'll stay with her.

And if they threaten to leave, she'll lie and say I raped her to alleviate responsibility as her failsafe parachute cord if her man won't accept her Hypergamy and be a good little cuckold.

The downside is that that male aggression has to go somewhere. It would surprise me if more of these beta rage mass shootings didn't happen.


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“Aggression/violence is male’s natural analog to hypergamy thus for the female strategy to succeed the male’s strategy must be disarmed to be defeated.”

I agree with this. It’s working, too. Part of why I don’t care if a girl is taken is that in the <2008s(ish) if a girl for caught cheating the guy she's cheating with would get the shit kicked out of him and the boyfriend's buddies would rally up and hunt him down. They say that guy is an asshole who disrespected you, lets get him!

But now? I don't worry at all about that. Because society has shifted to where if she gets caught that guy will blame HER and be mad at HER and his buddies will say she's a cheating bitch who disrespected him and they'll say that guy was just trying to get laid but she shouldn't have been flirting with him encouraging it because they've ALL had girls cheat on them and know.

Plus on top of it with legalities and everything these days no one wants to take a swing for real unless they're being taunted directly in the high emotion moment but they aren't gonna hunt me down and kick my ass like they're Liam Neeson. The rage will dissipate and turn to sadness and he'll focus on her betraying him. 99% of the badass super alpha keyboard warriors who tell me they would kick my ass when they read me talking a out this shit are living in a fantasy world and don't realize that if I fucked their girl they wouldn't do shit except maybe break up with her.

So he can't beat HER up. And he can't justify beating ME up. So ta-da, male aggression/rage over her Hypergamy is neutralized.

Most of those guys won't have the abundance mentality to go get another girl so they'll stay with her.

And if they threaten to leave, she'll lie and say I raped her to alleviate responsibility as her failsafe parachute cord if her man won't accept her Hypergamy and be a good little cuckold.

The downside is that that male aggression has to go somewhere. It would surprise me if more of these beta rage mass shootings didn't happen.


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Sorry, should’ve put the title. “The Great Happiness Space” Find it and give it a watch if you haven’t. It’s a fascinating look at women paying men insane amounts of money to give them “good feels” and will probably be a thing that catches on here in the future with all these working girls’ and their money.

Ironically while the Disney prince charming who loves you even at your worst fantasy is what’s fucking society up, that’s the same fantasy that I think will make the Happiness Space style host clubs take a while to catch on or possibly not catch on at all over here. Because the girls don’t just want good feels from a medium-value guy who gives them to any girl, they want a high-value guy who WANTS to give SPECIFICALLY THEM good feels. I think the narcissistic “I have to be the specialest princess” mentality would actually work against host clubs.

“As much as I want to believe that’s the natural progression, just as men are realizing that they need to be better Men, it seems overly optimistic on the surface.”

The key behind my Reversion Theory to me comes from the changing motivations.

Sally the 16yo won’t venture into self-improvement. She’s perfect, everyone has told her so since the day she was born. She’s following the teachings of her strong independent womyn single mom and teachers and hollywood movies etc. and things will work out perfect and she’ll get a magical high-value prince who will ride in on his horse and accept her at her worst just like all those older wiser women told them would happen, so why would she work on anything? She’s 25 at the bar now and everyone wants to fuck her so of COURSE things will work out for her.

And that’s how we have the VERY entitled generation we have now.

But Jessica the next generation of 16yo will get the same information from the same women, except those women will be 16 years older and 16 years lonelier and 16 years more into crazy cat lady territory. Things won’t work out for them the way they were convinced would happen. They don’t have a prince charming, they have at best some alpha who pumps & dumps them that they can’t get to commit or who cheats on them constantly after accidentally getting them pregnant and splits etc. Those women will still TELL Jessica that it will all work out perfect but she’ll look at their sad cat lady lives and go “…but I want the prince charming thing!! :(”

Women are selfishly motivated and follow trends like lemmings. Amanda at school got a new clothing item or hairstyle and all the boys are giving her attention? Guess what, that’s now the new fad and every girl is suddenly doing it because they all want that attention.

So what’s going to happen is a few girls are just naturally going to be into stuff like cooking or have nurturing personalities by nature, the one in a million girl out there and she won’t have the WHOLE package but she’ll have an attribute or two that makes her worth settling down with compared to the other girls around her…and those girls are going to land high-value older men (the badass older men we’re creating who have standards etc., not the old fat depressed beta guy who hates his job types) and other girls are going to be jealous and go “ok how did she do that? I have the same hairstyle as her, I’m wearing the latest fashion like her…hmmm, she really likes that cooking thing. My feminist auntie’s told me learning to cook is anti-womyn, but they’re lonely and sad and this girl has a dream guy…what if I learn to cook but just don’t tell my auntie, I wonder if that will help………”

And that girl will start doing things that she realizes get high-value men more interested in her. And other girls, like lemmings, will follow her lead and look for more and more edge. Sooner or later one of them will figure out “wait, what if I try doing the stuff they did in the 1950s…” and it’ll snowball from there.

And those girls will teach their daughters because they want their daughters to have the edge over the other daughters. And some entrepreneurial woman will realize if she teaches a “charm school” type class where she teaches girls these skills, she can cash in huge…just kidding, it’ll be a man who figures that out and hires women to teach it for him and cashes in lol

“Though, I still want to believe, and based on my experiences (similar to your *GASP* “A… a… MAN??!!!??” reactions), I want to see how it could manifest that way.”

The only reason I have my view on this is that I sarge a lot. A lot of the manosphere and red pill guys are just keyboard jockeys waxing philosophical on the net and hitting on a girl here and there often in their social circle or online/Tinder etc..they aren’t out there in the trenches at the young ppl clubs sarging the <25yo crowd every weekend and watching the progression of things every year. This is a legit trend I've noticed happening…it's very small and rare so far but I'm meeting 23yo girls who think grey hair is sexy (I don't have full grey yet but I'm seeing some grey hairs mixed in there now) and set their Tinder searches to no one under 30 etc.

10 years ago it was embarrassing to even THINK about being mid-30s in the bar/club-scene…that was low-value behavior and every commercial break advertised hair dye for men to get rid of those greys.

But now? Clooney and "silver foxes" are in, because they're the last remnants of any kind of "alphaness" that girls instinctively crave and these sad cases:

…can't provide.

The thing girls don't realize yet is that not every older man is a Clooney. Most of them are the same lame beta AFCs those hipster chodes are, but shooting for older men is the higher % play to FIND an alpha male VS hunting in their peer group for one, plus older men are more likely to be ready to settle down with them VS the rare alpha in their peer group who's fucking the cheerleading squad and will pump & dump them.

"Unfortunately, it will take several generations to evolve."

I agree. I'm okay with that though. If I decide to settle it'll be a solid 10+ years from now (mid-40s, long as I take care of my body etc. I should be fine, plenty of older men are pimp these days) and with how fast society shifts the girls I'll be able to bang then are currently like 5 years old lol…a lot of their feminist aunts will be old and lonely or die alone by the time they're 15 and they're not going to be the full package unicorns 10-ish years later when I meet them, but they're going to have a huge leg up on the girls out there today or 5-10 years ago.

That's when I cash in my chips if I decide to settle, and pick the highest quality chick out of my heavily-screened harem and pop out kids etc. if I want. And my sons will have even higher quality to choose from, as things progress.

That's why I don't view it all as doom and gloom bleak shit. I didn't go get rejected by some entitled 21yo and decide "WAHHH THE WORLD IS OVERRRR I'm gonna write my angsty whiny post on the Manosphere about how civilization is collapsing and it's just going to get worse and worse!!!" lol I see a light at the end of the tunnel that I'm looking forward to.

Part of why I won't settle now is that I know I'll have much higher quality options in terms of settling down material 10 years from now. My 30s is just having fun honing my pickup skills and building my career/stability in anticipation of my mid-40s where I can cash in on all that shit when I start to lose interest in banging a variety of hot young poon (?? when my dick doesn't work maybe? lol) or want kids.

If this were a casino, I'm the guy counting cards at blackjack waiting till the deck is full of face cards then betting all my chips. I might still lose in the end, but to me any guy who's in his 20s and early 30s ESPECIALLY but also a lot of guys in their late 30s, are the guys who are grinding out an extra few dollars here and there and going home with a few bucks in their pocket…nice and safe, but 1) they can still get stung, and 2) their winnings aren't going to be anything admirable.

Even if I miss the boat, I'm still happy future generations of men who discover the Red Pill early on, will be able to cash in on quality girls. That's part of why I'm glad TRM, CH, TRP, PUA, etc. exist and part of why I write. Because there will be men 10, 20, 30 years from now looking for an edge and they'll find this stuff and they will be light-years ahead of their peers in terms of the settling-quality of the girls they attract. Like this information needs to exist in large quantities so that men find it…even if not all of it is amazing, the more of it that's out there, the more of these little "tucked away in a corner of the internet" discussions we have, the more likely it is that future men will stumble across this stuff and improve their lives and that will be good for society.

"I’ll standby. However, I have to thank you for inadvertently tweaking my frame. My 40th is this week, and I’ve been itching to game anew."

lol glad it helped. There's too much doom & gloom in the Manosphere, esp for a bunch of dudes who are all about becoming high-value. It's a bunch of whiny bitches complaining that things are getting further away from their Disney vision they're still desperately clinging by the fingertips to. I say let go of that, adapt to the changes in society, and figure out ways to get it to a better future…sure, you yourself might not benefit from it 'cause you'll be dead before the changes take over society, but you should be happy that future generations of men may have it better.

There'll be a dark period for sure, but it mostly only affects betas. Smart guys who understand the system and how to prosper within it will slip by…we should be helping other men become those guys. That's why I stress preventing Buyer's Remorse with cuddles and an Egg McMuffin so hard, because understanding psychology like that is what separates an alpha who's skirting society's rules and allowed to get away with it from Mattress Guy or Tiger Woods etc. who are pissing women off and getting railroaded just like chodes do.

We had a saying back in the day "PUAs are the exception to the rules". Instead of focusing on how shitty the rules are and how it's hopeless and men are all going to get caught in the rules, I say focus on becoming and teaching other men how to be exceptions to the rules. Because the 80/20 split is going to spread wider and wider in the future, there's no doubt about that…alphas will be running massive harems while betas die virgins at 60. So let's focus on helping men become those alphas AND give them the tools to get AWAY with it by understanding pickup psychology and hypergamy etc. so they don't decide to get legally married in this insane divorce-lottery system and don't get Buyer's Remorse etc.

"…so I held the door, thinking she was going in. She just stood there, seemingly dumbstruck, so I nodded my head towards the door, like “go ahead”, with a disapproving look on my face like “are you a dipshit? Go on, GIT!”."

lol this is what I mean. Like, she has NEVER heard those words in her LIFE, not even from her mean-mugging boyfriend probably because he's in scarcity and doesn't want to lose her, that's WHY he's mean-mugging you instead of lol'ing and flirting with some other girl.

Tyler describes this best with his Magic Schoolbus Analogy. The girl is riding the Magic Schoolbus that's all safe and wonderful and everything is nice and pleasant and the sun is smiling at her and the flowers are waving saying "Hi Jenny!! Have a good day Jenny!! You're special Jenny!!" and she's in her happy little world. Then Tyler comes along and rattles her world like a machine gun going off, the same way you did with your "are you a dipshit?" no fucks given stuff, and she's just like "OMG WHAT IS THIS AND WHY DO I LOVE IT"

The funny part is that girl will bitch at you, but it's because she hates you but also hates that she loves it and kind of wants to fuck you and doesn't really understand why because she was raised by a single mom with no male teachers and all the men in movies are pussies and all her social circle peer men are effeminate FI-brainwashed pussies who just nod their head at everything she says and does…so she has LITERALLY never experienced that energy before.

It would be like if you were raised only by men and went to an all-boys school and had all male teachers and not even a mom etc. and then at 21 someone dropped you in the Playboy mansion one night. You would be like "HOLY SHIT WHAT IS THIS?? THESE GIRLS!! THIS ENERGY, WHY DO I HAVE A BONER WHY ARE THEY SO DISTRACTING THIS IS TERRIBLE BUT AMAZING!! THIS IS JUST LIKE I SAW IN THE MALE VERSION OF TWILIGHT!!111"

And the hotter the girl the stronger this effect. :)

"I can see how this jives with your “scolding” idea. It should come fairly naturally, as that particular chick struck me as offensive, so it was no effort to reflect that."

When you give as little fuck about a 21yo HB9's shit-tests as you did about that girl, that's when they chase you.

"I’ll be sure to keep “scolding oak” in mind, as I have some adventures coming up toward the end of the month that will have me out in the “real world” again. I’ve been at a place where I’m ready to have fun again in social settings, and don’t see the extra-curricular interactions as (as much of) a bother."

People make fun of him but I recommend checking out the Mystery Method seminar vids on YouTube when you get some downtime. Understanding Group Theory and how to handle mixed sets and use social proof and diffuse cockblocks and make orbiters love you and hand you their girls etc. makes a big difference in terms of how fun social events are. I'm naturally a huge introvert and I hated socializing primarily because I had no idea what I was doing, I was the guy who can't swim being thrown into a lake. MM's Group Theory shit gave me a life-vest and over the years I've upgraded to a yatch so I look forward to social situations and no longer view them as "work" or a drain etc…I view them as opportunities to sharpen my game and meet fuckbuddies.


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Sorry, should’ve put the title. “The Great Happiness Space” Find it and give it a watch if you haven’t. It’s a fascinating look at women paying men insane amounts of money to give them “good feels” and will probably be a thing that catches on here in the future with all these working girls’ and their money.

Ironically while the Disney prince charming who loves you even at your worst fantasy is what’s fucking society up, that’s the same fantasy that I think will make the Happiness Space style host clubs take a while to catch on or possibly not catch on at all over here. Because the girls don’t just want good feels from a medium-value guy who gives them to any girl, they want a high-value guy who WANTS to give SPECIFICALLY THEM good feels. I think the narcissistic “I have to be the specialest princess” mentality would actually work against host clubs.

“As much as I want to believe that’s the natural progression, just as men are realizing that they need to be better Men, it seems overly optimistic on the surface.”

The key behind my Reversion Theory to me comes from the changing motivations.

Sally the 16yo won’t venture into self-improvement. She’s perfect, everyone has told her so since the day she was born. She’s following the teachings of her strong independent womyn single mom and teachers and hollywood movies etc. and things will work out perfect and she’ll get a magical high-value prince who will ride in on his horse and accept her at her worst just like all those older wiser women told them would happen, so why would she work on anything? She’s 25 at the bar now and everyone wants to fuck her so of COURSE things will work out for her.

And that’s how we have the VERY entitled generation we have now.

But Jessica the next generation of 16yo will get the same information from the same women, except those women will be 16 years older and 16 years lonelier and 16 years more into crazy cat lady territory. Things won’t work out for them the way they were convinced would happen. They don’t have a prince charming, they have at best some alpha who pumps & dumps them that they can’t get to commit or who cheats on them constantly after accidentally getting them pregnant and splits etc. Those women will still TELL Jessica that it will all work out perfect but she’ll look at their sad cat lady lives and go “…but I want the prince charming thing!! :(”

Women are selfishly motivated and follow trends like lemmings. Amanda at school got a new clothing item or hairstyle and all the boys are giving her attention? Guess what, that’s now the new fad and every girl is suddenly doing it because they all want that attention.

So what’s going to happen is a few girls are just naturally going to be into stuff like cooking or have nurturing personalities by nature, the one in a million girl out there and she won’t have the WHOLE package but she’ll have an attribute or two that makes her worth settling down with compared to the other girls around her…and those girls are going to land high-value older men (the badass older men we’re creating who have standards etc., not the old fat depressed beta guy who hates his job types) and other girls are going to be jealous and go “ok how did she do that? I have the same hairstyle as her, I’m wearing the latest fashion like her…hmmm, she really likes that cooking thing. My feminist auntie’s told me learning to cook is anti-womyn, but they’re lonely and sad and this girl has a dream guy…what if I learn to cook but just don’t tell my auntie, I wonder if that will help………”

And that girl will start doing things that she realizes get high-value men more interested in her. And other girls, like lemmings, will follow her lead and look for more and more edge. Sooner or later one of them will figure out “wait, what if I try doing the stuff they did in the 1950s…” and it’ll snowball from there.

And those girls will teach their daughters because they want their daughters to have the edge over the other daughters. And some entrepreneurial woman will realize if she teaches a “charm school” type class where she teaches girls these skills, she can cash in huge…just kidding, it’ll be a man who figures that out and hires women to teach it for him and cashes in lol

“Though, I still want to believe, and based on my experiences (similar to your *GASP* “A… a… MAN??!!!??” reactions), I want to see how it could manifest that way.”

The only reason I have my view on this is that I sarge a lot. A lot of the manosphere and red pill guys are just keyboard jockeys waxing philosophical on the net and hitting on a girl here and there often in their social circle or online/Tinder etc..they aren’t out there in the trenches at the young ppl clubs sarging the <25yo crowd every weekend and watching the progression of things every year. This is a legit trend I've noticed happening…it's very small and rare so far but I'm meeting 23yo girls who think grey hair is sexy (I don't have full grey yet but I'm seeing some grey hairs mixed in there now) and set their Tinder searches to no one under 30 etc.

10 years ago it was embarrassing to even THINK about being mid-30s in the bar/club-scene…that was low-value behavior and every commercial break advertised hair dye for men to get rid of those greys.

But now? Clooney and "silver foxes" are in, because they're the last remnants of any kind of "alphaness" that girls instinctively crave and these sad cases:

…can't provide.

The thing girls don't realize yet is that not every older man is a Clooney. Most of them are the same lame beta AFCs those hipster chodes are, but shooting for older men is the higher % play to FIND an alpha male VS hunting in their peer group for one, plus older men are more likely to be ready to settle down with them VS the rare alpha in their peer group who's fucking the cheerleading squad and will pump & dump them.

"Unfortunately, it will take several generations to evolve."

I agree. I'm okay with that though. If I decide to settle it'll be a solid 10+ years from now (mid-40s, long as I take care of my body etc. I should be fine, plenty of older men are pimp these days) and with how fast society shifts the girls I'll be able to bang then are currently like 5 years old lol…a lot of their feminist aunts will be old and lonely or die alone by the time they're 15 and they're not going to be the full package unicorns 10-ish years later when I meet them, but they're going to have a huge leg up on the girls out there today or 5-10 years ago.

That's when I cash in my chips if I decide to settle, and pick the highest quality chick out of my heavily-screened harem and pop out kids etc. if I want. And my sons will have even higher quality to choose from, as things progress.

That's why I don't view it all as doom and gloom bleak shit. I didn't go get rejected by some entitled 21yo and decide "WAHHH THE WORLD IS OVERRRR I'm gonna write my angsty whiny post on the Manosphere about how civilization is collapsing and it's just going to get worse and worse!!!" lol I see a light at the end of the tunnel that I'm looking forward to.

Part of why I won't settle now is that I know I'll have much higher quality options in terms of settling down material 10 years from now. My 30s is just having fun honing my pickup skills and building my career/stability in anticipation of my mid-40s where I can cash in on all that shit when I start to lose interest in banging a variety of hot young poon (?? when my dick doesn't work maybe? lol) or want kids.

If this were a casino, I'm the guy counting cards at blackjack waiting till the deck is full of face cards then betting all my chips. I might still lose in the end, but to me any guy who's in his 20s and early 30s ESPECIALLY but also a lot of guys in their late 30s, are the guys who are grinding out an extra few dollars here and there and going home with a few bucks in their pocket…nice and safe, but 1) they can still get stung, and 2) their winnings aren't going to be anything admirable.

Even if I miss the boat, I'm still happy future generations of men who discover the Red Pill early on, will be able to cash in on quality girls. That's part of why I'm glad TRM, CH, TRP, PUA, etc. exist and part of why I write. Because there will be men 10, 20, 30 years from now looking for an edge and they'll find this stuff and they will be light-years ahead of their peers in terms of the settling-quality of the girls they attract. Like this information needs to exist in large quantities so that men find it…even if not all of it is amazing, the more of it that's out there, the more of these little "tucked away in a corner of the internet" discussions we have, the more likely it is that future men will stumble across this stuff and improve their lives and that will be good for society.

"I’ll standby. However, I have to thank you for inadvertently tweaking my frame. My 40th is this week, and I’ve been itching to game anew."

lol glad it helped. There's too much doom & gloom in the Manosphere, esp for a bunch of dudes who are all about becoming high-value. It's a bunch of whiny bitches complaining that things are getting further away from their Disney vision they're still desperately clinging by the fingertips to. I say let go of that, adapt to the changes in society, and figure out ways to get it to a better future…sure, you yourself might not benefit from it 'cause you'll be dead before the changes take over society, but you should be happy that future generations of men may have it better.

There'll be a dark period for sure, but it mostly only affects betas. Smart guys who understand the system and how to prosper within it will slip by…we should be helping other men become those guys. That's why I stress preventing Buyer's Remorse with cuddles and an Egg McMuffin so hard, because understanding psychology like that is what separates an alpha who's skirting society's rules and allowed to get away with it from Mattress Guy or Tiger Woods etc. who are pissing women off and getting railroaded just like chodes do.

We had a saying back in the day "PUAs are the exception to the rules". Instead of focusing on how shitty the rules are and how it's hopeless and men are all going to get caught in the rules, I say focus on becoming and teaching other men how to be exceptions to the rules. Because the 80/20 split is going to spread wider and wider in the future, there's no doubt about that…alphas will be running massive harems while betas die virgins at 60. So let's focus on helping men become those alphas AND give them the tools to get AWAY with it by understanding pickup psychology and hypergamy etc. so they don't decide to get legally married in this insane divorce-lottery system and don't get Buyer's Remorse etc.

"…so I held the door, thinking she was going in. She just stood there, seemingly dumbstruck, so I nodded my head towards the door, like “go ahead”, with a disapproving look on my face like “are you a dipshit? Go on, GIT!”."

lol this is what I mean. Like, she has NEVER heard those words in her LIFE, not even from her mean-mugging boyfriend probably because he's in scarcity and doesn't want to lose her, that's WHY he's mean-mugging you instead of lol'ing and flirting with some other girl.

Tyler describes this best with his Magic Schoolbus Analogy. The girl is riding the Magic Schoolbus that's all safe and wonderful and everything is nice and pleasant and the sun is smiling at her and the flowers are waving saying "Hi Jenny!! Have a good day Jenny!! You're special Jenny!!" and she's in her happy little world. Then Tyler comes along and rattles her world like a machine gun going off, the same way you did with your "are you a dipshit?" no fucks given stuff, and she's just like "OMG WHAT IS THIS AND WHY DO I LOVE IT"

The funny part is that girl will bitch at you, but it's because she hates you but also hates that she loves it and kind of wants to fuck you and doesn't really understand why because she was raised by a single mom with no male teachers and all the men in movies are pussies and all her social circle peer men are effeminate FI-brainwashed pussies who just nod their head at everything she says and does…so she has LITERALLY never experienced that energy before.

It would be like if you were raised only by men and went to an all-boys school and had all male teachers and not even a mom etc. and then at 21 someone dropped you in the Playboy mansion one night. You would be like "HOLY SHIT WHAT IS THIS?? THESE GIRLS!! THIS ENERGY, WHY DO I HAVE A BONER WHY ARE THEY SO DISTRACTING THIS IS TERRIBLE BUT AMAZING!! THIS IS JUST LIKE I SAW IN THE MALE VERSION OF TWILIGHT!!111"

And the hotter the girl the stronger this effect. 🙂

"I can see how this jives with your “scolding” idea. It should come fairly naturally, as that particular chick struck me as offensive, so it was no effort to reflect that."

When you give as little fuck about a 21yo HB9's shit-tests as you did about that girl, that's when they chase you.

"I’ll be sure to keep “scolding oak” in mind, as I have some adventures coming up toward the end of the month that will have me out in the “real world” again. I’ve been at a place where I’m ready to have fun again in social settings, and don’t see the extra-curricular interactions as (as much of) a bother."

People make fun of him but I recommend checking out the Mystery Method seminar vids on YouTube when you get some downtime. Understanding Group Theory and how to handle mixed sets and use social proof and diffuse cockblocks and make orbiters love you and hand you their girls etc. makes a big difference in terms of how fun social events are. I'm naturally a huge introvert and I hated socializing primarily because I had no idea what I was doing, I was the guy who can't swim being thrown into a lake. MM's Group Theory shit gave me a life-vest and over the years I've upgraded to a yatch so I look forward to social situations and no longer view them as "work" or a drain etc…I view them as opportunities to sharpen my game and meet fuckbuddies.


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YaReally
on July 7th, 2015 at 10:07 pm
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“I wish more of the naysayers here would just open their minds and listen to what you’re trying to tell them. Their world would be a much better place for it. Your advice and guidance has really helped me to forge a more positive, constructive, and fun mindset when acquiring women in the field and building various types of sexual and plate relationships with them, so thanks a ton for all that you do and say on everyone’s behalf. It is greatly appreciated. As you’ve rightly deduced in the past, a good percentage of the lurkers out there are internalizing what you’ve laid down (pun intended lol).”

lol happy it’s helped. Literally one of the reasons I even hang out in the Manosphere is just to present the “other side” to all the doom & gloom emo complainers here. Pickup and socializing and even dealing with AMOGs and bitchy girls etc. should be FUN. I’m very skeptical of guys who post non-stop negative bullshit then saying they’re out there banging 9s.

There’s an RVF thread where everyone is writing about their experience at Roosh’s World Tour seminars (remember Julien and RSD/PUA seminars are all a scam, but ROOSH’S are genius). They’re all sucking eachother’s dicks saying wow the room was full of the highest value men in society. Everyone looked 10/10 and was rich and had unbelievable alpha value and badass game etc. The cream of society is there in that room, we are gods among men!!!

…then you keep reading for the part where they all describe going to the bar in HEAVILY POPULATED CITIES after the seminars. 6 pages into the thread and not a single fucking lay lol 40 of the HIGHEST VALUE BADASS PLAYBOY JAMES BOND WORLD TRAVELLING ALPHA MALES hit the nightlife and the best they come out with is Roosh’s camera guy was an “approach machine” (code for getting shot down a lot and not being able to hold a set) and a few stories about TALKING TO some girls (but of course all the girls turned out to be bitches or gross westernized women that are beneath them or 6s they “just opened for a laugh” etc.)

hmmm, seems like something doesn’t quite add up there…?

‘course their response if I posted that in their forum would be: “lol that low-value YaReally is just one of those PUSSY OBSESSED PUAs. He can’t even wrap his head around the high-value conversation WE have about society and economics and business, we all get laid so much we don’t even NEED to pull girls after the seminar because we don’t put the pussy up on the pedestal like those pussy-chasing PUAs do. We don’t even need to use that PUA “game” (that we steal and reword and teach and sell in our Bang books), we’re better than THAT”

ya ya ya, keep talkin. Cause all I’m hearing is that 40 high-value dudes roll out into the nightlife and none of them can even pull a 6 with all that badass high-value of theirs. Like I get that pussy isn’t top priority, but you unleash THAT many dudes of THAT much supposed “high value” into the nightlife and you guys should have a fuckton of good stories.

But I know exactly what they’re doing because I see it all the time. They’re too wrapped up in their James Bond presentation to lower themselves to approaching girls, and the ones who do haven’t studied Mystery Method or any actual real GAME they just lift and follow their gay toned down version of game that isn’t the stuff those NERDS study, and they all pat eachother on the back about what bitches girls are and no one will be the first to approach because they’re all comfortable sitting at a table all night or wandering around trying to avoid getting shot down in front of eachother incase someone else in the clan thinks they aren’t a super high-value badass, and rationalizing it all.

Hell, you let me and a small handful of my buddies loose in the nightlife in a major city and at least a few of us are getting laid even WITHOUT mass spam approaching or anything. Because we have fun when we’re out and girls are drawn to it and we know what to do when they ARE drawn to it.

The worst is watching their re-telling of events and it’s like, Roosh talks to some 7 and loses her interest and his dick-suckers are like “Then Roosh SWEPT IN and BLEW HER MIND with all his alpha shit…she ran off because she’s too westernized and didn’t appreciate his amazing value, hope you got her number and banged her later Roosh ;)” Guess what, he didn’t get her number and he didn’t fuck her. He hung out at the bar till 5am and went home to rub one out to his next neomasculinity article.

Because girls aren’t drawn to guys with shitty internal belief systems and a negative outlook to life. Ya, some are into that, but like if you can’t find the good in the world around you and you spend your week bitching and complaining about how shitty the world is and how shitty the women around you are and how shitty having to do pickup is etc, why would any decent chick WANT to hang around you? You have shitty low-value mindsets regardless of how much money you’ve got banked or how ripped your 6-pack is.

I’m not saying they don’t get laid at all, but I would bet that 90% of them have ZERO consistency and are taking random poon as it falls from the sky and crossing their fingers it’s a decent 7+ but still taking it if it’s in the 5-6 range…the same results a normal guy who isn’t at that seminar gets.

You CAN’T send that many “cream of the crop high-value” men out into the nightlife and not get at least a FEW lay reports.

If any of them happen to see this (which would surprise me because it’s probably a faux pas to venture out of the cult forum and look at what “the Others” say): I’m not saying you’re all losers. I’m sure lots of you are legit high-quality dudes who really ARE rich and in shape and alpha and badass.

But fucking APPROACH. You’re in a seminar room FULL of dudes who aren’t ashamed they like pussy and SHOULD have some kind of wingman skill. Ya, discuss world economics and shit for a while, but around midnight open some fucking girls and get your dick wet. Hell, get blown out in front of eachother, it’s a bonding experience just like pulling girls back to your hotel rooms together is. Have some fucking fun, put all that badass high-value work you’ve done on yourself to use so the reports of the seminar don’t sound so much like a bunch of fat chicks convincing themselves they didn’t WANT heart-shaped chocolates on Valentine’s Day ANYWAY lol

And if you guys CAN’T pull, or if you sit around choding all night using that as an excuse to not approach and risk getting blown out, maybe it’s time to take another look at your game and your results and think about taking a glance at Mystery Method.

I get that you guys want to talk about other shit and have other priorities…but you have alllll fuckin day and evening to discuss that shit. If you’re still sitting at a table or standing around in sausage circles talking about that shit past midnight, you’re avoiding approaching and trying to preserve your ego and you KNOW it at your core as that 9 walks by you and you make another excuse not to grab her and say hello.

…but it’s a lot easier to NOT pull when you’ve just paid to attend a seminar based around complaining about the world and dwelling on negative shit and have surrounded yourself with a bunch of other guys complaining and dwelling on negative shit lol

Didn’t expect that to be so long whoops. But it’s my biggest prob with the Manosphere, the TRP forums on reddit, etc. Just a bunch of dudes making excuses not to take action because they’re too busy crying.

I can almost guarantee that the Toronto summit (the Manosphere’s number one “let’s complain about the women” city next to DC) will be full of “we went to the bar after and it was all ugly feminist bitches so we totally just tooled them and sucked eachother’s dicks all night then went home and it was an amazing day and my whole reality has been shifted what an event it exceeded all my expectations!!!!” …meanwhile Mystery, Tyler, Style, Cajun, the Toronto PUA lairs, etc. all have NO PROBLEM WITH TORONTO. Are they coincidentally just running into the nice sweet friendly girls? Are they holding bootcamps in a city where it’s impossible to get laid just because they hate making money and want all their students to report that the bootcamp went terrible and the instructor couldn’t get through the bitchy horrible Toronto women and they just keep holding bootcamps there because they’re stupid instead of picking some “easy” city?

…or is it maybe the guys who hate Toronto and build identities around embracing shitty negative mindsets etc. are bringing that bitchy side out of girls because they have shitty game. I haven’t met a feminist in-field…know why? Because I don’t talk about fucking feminism with girls at the bar lol wtf are you even doing to get that kind of response from them when they are sweet and pleasant as fuck for Chad Thundercock and guys with game who LIKE women.

“If you meet an asshole in the morning, you met an asshole. If everyone else you meet that day is an asshole, then YOU’RE the asshole.”

I’ve snooped around a bit for lolz checking out in-field vids from Manosphere guys (I don’t want to name names of course, but like, I type in popular names now and then) and they are fucking awful. Uncalibrated, weak frames, dudes out of shape or dressed like shit (or the opposite dressed ridiculous), weird personality quirks, seeking rapport tonalities, the girls hand them BASIC shit-tests and they’re stunned and have no idea how to handle it (because surprise surprise they didn’t study “that PUA shit”). They look and sound exactly like any average normal dude attempting cold approach…and they SHOULDN’T, given the way they write and talk about themselves.

ahhh that was a good vent lol if anyone has an RVF account, post this shit in their forum. If I was running a seminar I would make it fucking MANDATORY that everyone approach. “oh, I have an HB10 supermodel girlfriend back home already” Who fucking cares, you don’t have to fuck anyone, wing one of the other guys and go have a conversation with some cute chicks for 20 minutes between your worldly discussions about economics and business. Just do SOMETHING. Hell, if I was Roosh I would be telling every man in the room that his mission is to purposely get shot down once that night. Or like you pay an extra $50 that’s on hold and if you do an approach even if you get shot down, you get that $50 back. Take some fucking action you high-value motherfuckers lol

And if you can’t hold a decent set, maybe it’s time to focus on your game a bit more instead of posting another rant on the forum about how shitty north american women are.

I like that the Manosphere tackles other issues besides getting pussy, but getting pussy, enjoying women, having FUN approaching them, and fostering an overall positive value-spreading mindset should still be high priority for guys who are developing themselves. You can be a millionaire with a 6-pack and it doesn’t mean shit when the chick on your arm is a 5 on a good day. No one is looking at you going “wow that’s a role model” lol


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YaReally
on July 7th, 2015 at 10:07 pm
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“I wish more of the naysayers here would just open their minds and listen to what you’re trying to tell them. Their world would be a much better place for it. Your advice and guidance has really helped me to forge a more positive, constructive, and fun mindset when acquiring women in the field and building various types of sexual and plate relationships with them, so thanks a ton for all that you do and say on everyone’s behalf. It is greatly appreciated. As you’ve rightly deduced in the past, a good percentage of the lurkers out there are internalizing what you’ve laid down (pun intended lol).”

lol happy it’s helped. Literally one of the reasons I even hang out in the Manosphere is just to present the “other side” to all the doom & gloom emo complainers here. Pickup and socializing and even dealing with AMOGs and bitchy girls etc. should be FUN. I’m very skeptical of guys who post non-stop negative bullshit then saying they’re out there banging 9s.

There’s an RVF thread where everyone is writing about their experience at Roosh’s World Tour seminars (remember Julien and RSD/PUA seminars are all a scam, but ROOSH’S are genius). They’re all sucking eachother’s dicks saying wow the room was full of the highest value men in society. Everyone looked 10/10 and was rich and had unbelievable alpha value and badass game etc. The cream of society is there in that room, we are gods among men!!!

…then you keep reading for the part where they all describe going to the bar in HEAVILY POPULATED CITIES after the seminars. 6 pages into the thread and not a single fucking lay lol 40 of the HIGHEST VALUE BADASS PLAYBOY JAMES BOND WORLD TRAVELLING ALPHA MALES hit the nightlife and the best they come out with is Roosh’s camera guy was an “approach machine” (code for getting shot down a lot and not being able to hold a set) and a few stories about TALKING TO some girls (but of course all the girls turned out to be bitches or gross westernized women that are beneath them or 6s they “just opened for a laugh” etc.)

hmmm, seems like something doesn’t quite add up there…?

‘course their response if I posted that in their forum would be: “lol that low-value YaReally is just one of those PUSSY OBSESSED PUAs. He can’t even wrap his head around the high-value conversation WE have about society and economics and business, we all get laid so much we don’t even NEED to pull girls after the seminar because we don’t put the pussy up on the pedestal like those pussy-chasing PUAs do. We don’t even need to use that PUA “game” (that we steal and reword and teach and sell in our Bang books), we’re better than THAT”

ya ya ya, keep talkin. Cause all I’m hearing is that 40 high-value dudes roll out into the nightlife and none of them can even pull a 6 with all that badass high-value of theirs. Like I get that pussy isn’t top priority, but you unleash THAT many dudes of THAT much supposed “high value” into the nightlife and you guys should have a fuckton of good stories.

But I know exactly what they’re doing because I see it all the time. They’re too wrapped up in their James Bond presentation to lower themselves to approaching girls, and the ones who do haven’t studied Mystery Method or any actual real GAME they just lift and follow their gay toned down version of game that isn’t the stuff those NERDS study, and they all pat eachother on the back about what bitches girls are and no one will be the first to approach because they’re all comfortable sitting at a table all night or wandering around trying to avoid getting shot down in front of eachother incase someone else in the clan thinks they aren’t a super high-value badass, and rationalizing it all.

Hell, you let me and a small handful of my buddies loose in the nightlife in a major city and at least a few of us are getting laid even WITHOUT mass spam approaching or anything. Because we have fun when we’re out and girls are drawn to it and we know what to do when they ARE drawn to it.

The worst is watching their re-telling of events and it’s like, Roosh talks to some 7 and loses her interest and his dick-suckers are like “Then Roosh SWEPT IN and BLEW HER MIND with all his alpha shit…she ran off because she’s too westernized and didn’t appreciate his amazing value, hope you got her number and banged her later Roosh ;)” Guess what, he didn’t get her number and he didn’t fuck her. He hung out at the bar till 5am and went home to rub one out to his next neomasculinity article.

Because girls aren’t drawn to guys with shitty internal belief systems and a negative outlook to life. Ya, some are into that, but like if you can’t find the good in the world around you and you spend your week bitching and complaining about how shitty the world is and how shitty the women around you are and how shitty having to do pickup is etc, why would any decent chick WANT to hang around you? You have shitty low-value mindsets regardless of how much money you’ve got banked or how ripped your 6-pack is.

I’m not saying they don’t get laid at all, but I would bet that 90% of them have ZERO consistency and are taking random poon as it falls from the sky and crossing their fingers it’s a decent 7+ but still taking it if it’s in the 5-6 range…the same results a normal guy who isn’t at that seminar gets.

You CAN’T send that many “cream of the crop high-value” men out into the nightlife and not get at least a FEW lay reports.

If any of them happen to see this (which would surprise me because it’s probably a faux pas to venture out of the cult forum and look at what “the Others” say): I’m not saying you’re all losers. I’m sure lots of you are legit high-quality dudes who really ARE rich and in shape and alpha and badass.

But fucking APPROACH. You’re in a seminar room FULL of dudes who aren’t ashamed they like pussy and SHOULD have some kind of wingman skill. Ya, discuss world economics and shit for a while, but around midnight open some fucking girls and get your dick wet. Hell, get blown out in front of eachother, it’s a bonding experience just like pulling girls back to your hotel rooms together is. Have some fucking fun, put all that badass high-value work you’ve done on yourself to use so the reports of the seminar don’t sound so much like a bunch of fat chicks convincing themselves they didn’t WANT heart-shaped chocolates on Valentine’s Day ANYWAY lol

And if you guys CAN’T pull, or if you sit around choding all night using that as an excuse to not approach and risk getting blown out, maybe it’s time to take another look at your game and your results and think about taking a glance at Mystery Method.

I get that you guys want to talk about other shit and have other priorities…but you have alllll fuckin day and evening to discuss that shit. If you’re still sitting at a table or standing around in sausage circles talking about that shit past midnight, you’re avoiding approaching and trying to preserve your ego and you KNOW it at your core as that 9 walks by you and you make another excuse not to grab her and say hello.

…but it’s a lot easier to NOT pull when you’ve just paid to attend a seminar based around complaining about the world and dwelling on negative shit and have surrounded yourself with a bunch of other guys complaining and dwelling on negative shit lol

Didn’t expect that to be so long whoops. But it’s my biggest prob with the Manosphere, the TRP forums on reddit, etc. Just a bunch of dudes making excuses not to take action because they’re too busy crying.

I can almost guarantee that the Toronto summit (the Manosphere’s number one “let’s complain about the women” city next to DC) will be full of “we went to the bar after and it was all ugly feminist bitches so we totally just tooled them and sucked eachother’s dicks all night then went home and it was an amazing day and my whole reality has been shifted what an event it exceeded all my expectations!!!!” …meanwhile Mystery, Tyler, Style, Cajun, the Toronto PUA lairs, etc. all have NO PROBLEM WITH TORONTO. Are they coincidentally just running into the nice sweet friendly girls? Are they holding bootcamps in a city where it’s impossible to get laid just because they hate making money and want all their students to report that the bootcamp went terrible and the instructor couldn’t get through the bitchy horrible Toronto women and they just keep holding bootcamps there because they’re stupid instead of picking some “easy” city?

…or is it maybe the guys who hate Toronto and build identities around embracing shitty negative mindsets etc. are bringing that bitchy side out of girls because they have shitty game. I haven’t met a feminist in-field…know why? Because I don’t talk about fucking feminism with girls at the bar lol wtf are you even doing to get that kind of response from them when they are sweet and pleasant as fuck for Chad Thundercock and guys with game who LIKE women.

“If you meet an asshole in the morning, you met an asshole. If everyone else you meet that day is an asshole, then YOU’RE the asshole.”

I’ve snooped around a bit for lolz checking out in-field vids from Manosphere guys (I don’t want to name names of course, but like, I type in popular names now and then) and they are fucking awful. Uncalibrated, weak frames, dudes out of shape or dressed like shit (or the opposite dressed ridiculous), weird personality quirks, seeking rapport tonalities, the girls hand them BASIC shit-tests and they’re stunned and have no idea how to handle it (because surprise surprise they didn’t study “that PUA shit”). They look and sound exactly like any average normal dude attempting cold approach…and they SHOULDN’T, given the way they write and talk about themselves.

ahhh that was a good vent lol if anyone has an RVF account, post this shit in their forum. If I was running a seminar I would make it fucking MANDATORY that everyone approach. “oh, I have an HB10 supermodel girlfriend back home already” Who fucking cares, you don’t have to fuck anyone, wing one of the other guys and go have a conversation with some cute chicks for 20 minutes between your worldly discussions about economics and business. Just do SOMETHING. Hell, if I was Roosh I would be telling every man in the room that his mission is to purposely get shot down once that night. Or like you pay an extra $50 that’s on hold and if you do an approach even if you get shot down, you get that $50 back. Take some fucking action you high-value motherfuckers lol

And if you can’t hold a decent set, maybe it’s time to focus on your game a bit more instead of posting another rant on the forum about how shitty north american women are.

I like that the Manosphere tackles other issues besides getting pussy, but getting pussy, enjoying women, having FUN approaching them, and fostering an overall positive value-spreading mindset should still be high priority for guys who are developing themselves. You can be a millionaire with a 6-pack and it doesn’t mean shit when the chick on your arm is a 5 on a good day. No one is looking at you going “wow that’s a role model” lol


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@bnon

“But there is also the saying that women seek partners that who are like their father. What happens here?”

That’s bullshit said by guys waxing social theories who don’t get laid.

No girl is seeking a pushover beta chode just because her dad was one just like if your mom is fat that doesn’t give you a fat fetish.

She MIGHT look for that in a long term Provider to marry because she picked up notions of that being how a marriage is supposed to look and seeing the benefits of having a guy she can boss around from a Provider perspective, but that’s not what’s making her pussy wet. Even if she settled with that guy she would cheat on him with the guy who can provide that father figure energy she needs.


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@bnon

“But there is also the saying that women seek partners that who are like their father. What happens here?”

That’s bullshit said by guys waxing social theories who don’t get laid.

No girl is seeking a pushover beta chode just because her dad was one just like if your mom is fat that doesn’t give you a fat fetish.

She MIGHT look for that in a long term Provider to marry because she picked up notions of that being how a marriage is supposed to look and seeing the benefits of having a guy she can boss around from a Provider perspective, but that’s not what’s making her pussy wet. Even if she settled with that guy she would cheat on him with the guy who can provide that father figure energy she needs.


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Actually here’s the best way of putting my Roosh World Summit gripes, I wish I had thought of this for my original post lol:

If you gather 40 men who focus on complaining about how society is going to hell and who prioritize their business, working out, hobbies, discussing world events and social philosophy and feminism and how much north american women suck, etc. above approaching women, and those men all go out for a night on the town in a major city in the prime nightlife district after a seminar where they’ve just met 39 other men who prioritize their business, working out, hobbies, discussing world events and social philosophy and feminism and how much north american women suck, etc. above approaching women….

…and NONE of those 40 guys gets laid and 3/4 of them don’t even approach girls.

…well, then what exactly is the difference between your neomasculinity club and MGTOWs? Because that’s exactly what a MGTOW meetup would look like.

If you’re the “cream of the crop” highest value men in society like you think you are, then approach some girls and get your dicks wet at these seminars boys otherwise you’re just glorified MGTOWs jerking eachother off in a bar.

(as I’ve written before I don’t hate MGTOWs, but I know the RVF guys do, even tho their meetup sounds exactly like a MGTOW meetup…or even an MRA meetup (except the MRAs would all be fatter and poorer because so many of them got burned by the system/naivety before finding MRA))


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Actually here’s the best way of putting my Roosh World Summit gripes, I wish I had thought of this for my original post lol:

If you gather 40 men who focus on complaining about how society is going to hell and who prioritize their business, working out, hobbies, discussing world events and social philosophy and feminism and how much north american women suck, etc. above approaching women, and those men all go out for a night on the town in a major city in the prime nightlife district after a seminar where they’ve just met 39 other men who prioritize their business, working out, hobbies, discussing world events and social philosophy and feminism and how much north american women suck, etc. above approaching women….

…and NONE of those 40 guys gets laid and 3/4 of them don’t even approach girls.

…well, then what exactly is the difference between your neomasculinity club and MGTOWs? Because that’s exactly what a MGTOW meetup would look like.

If you’re the “cream of the crop” highest value men in society like you think you are, then approach some girls and get your dicks wet at these seminars boys otherwise you’re just glorified MGTOWs jerking eachother off in a bar.

(as I’ve written before I don’t hate MGTOWs, but I know the RVF guys do, even tho their meetup sounds exactly like a MGTOW meetup…or even an MRA meetup (except the MRAs would all be fatter and poorer because so many of them got burned by the system/naivety before finding MRA))


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YaReally
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@HowlingManTodd
Straight-up, doing that to a girl who views herself as a 10 will blow her fucking mind in exactly the way it does in that clip.

Hanging up on a girl is the funniest shit, especially when you do it IMMEDIATELY after she says with something you don’t approve of, and then hanging up on her as she tries to bitch you out over and over and ignoring her calls etc. until she learns that “if I act like a brat he will hang up so I’m mad but I have to at least act pleasant to get him to listen” lol It shows you give no fucks and have abundance.

It’s the same as walking away mid-set with a really hot chick. Try it for the lolz, just as one of you are talking, walk away. Don’t GO anywhere like into another room or leave the bar, just walk over to the other side of the room and order yourself a drink and open whoever’s at the bar beside you and have a conversation and watch her circuit fry trying to compute wtf just happened and trying to win your attention back. Funniest shit in the world.

@Crzy
“The enlightened so called cuckold generation is losing population and the male driven societies are knocking up alot of women.”

The underlying goal women are pushing for is that beta males stay beta males because of the rules, alphas ignore the rules so they know for sure which ones are alphas, and since alphas won’t commit and beta males can be controlled and convinced cuckolding is being a good feminist chode:

Their ultimate goal is alphas getting hundreds of girls pregnant, and betas WILLINGLY providing for those kids. France is already trying it with the outlawing of paternity tests “because it breaks up families”. Yes, I imagine it WOULD break up families if a guy found out his 3 kids belonged to 3 other dudes and he’s not actually passing on his genes…keep him in the dark, if you beat him down with feminism enough he’ll WANT to stay in the dark like a good little chode while the alphas keep banging his wife and not be expected to raise the kid.

@Rollo
As time goes on I find it harder and harder to disagree with your assessment of how and why that all went down, because I don’t think Roosh is just a naive idiot any more than I think Anita Sarkeesian is just an innocent oppressed womyn who can’t understand why she’s always on the front page of the news.

@redlight
“If you go to Toronto’s entertainment district, or many of the other pub areas, it’s like fish in a barrel. However Toronto’s average house price is now over $1M, so for a wall-nearing (or over) woman, if you present as anything that might be a beta, you are getting “the rules”. ”

Don’t present as anything that might be beta and dont’ hit on wall-nearing (or over) women. Bam, problem solved. Those girls are sweet as sugar to the alpha guy who’s banging them out that night. If your game is tight you can BE that guy…if you’re getting the hardcore bitch-shield shit over your $/betaness/etc. then she’s screening you as a BB not an AF and that means it’s time to work on your game skillz.

A lot of the RVF dudes who keep running into feminists and “entitled cunts” are walking in in their suit and matching pocket square basically ADVERTISING “Hey!! Screen me as a Provider!!!!!!” Confidentally approach a girl who’s dolled up while you’re wearing a t-shirt and sneakers and she knows you can’t POSSIBLY be a Provider, but since you approached confidently you MIGHT be a Lover…she’ll test to see what your frame is like and see if you act like a guy who should approach a girl like her while you’re dressed how you are, but if you pass those shit-tests you’re the guy she’ll be sweet as sugar to.


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@HowlingManTodd
Straight-up, doing that to a girl who views herself as a 10 will blow her fucking mind in exactly the way it does in that clip.

Hanging up on a girl is the funniest shit, especially when you do it IMMEDIATELY after she says with something you don’t approve of, and then hanging up on her as she tries to bitch you out over and over and ignoring her calls etc. until she learns that “if I act like a brat he will hang up so I’m mad but I have to at least act pleasant to get him to listen” lol It shows you give no fucks and have abundance.

It’s the same as walking away mid-set with a really hot chick. Try it for the lolz, just as one of you are talking, walk away. Don’t GO anywhere like into another room or leave the bar, just walk over to the other side of the room and order yourself a drink and open whoever’s at the bar beside you and have a conversation and watch her circuit fry trying to compute wtf just happened and trying to win your attention back. Funniest shit in the world.

@Crzy
“The enlightened so called cuckold generation is losing population and the male driven societies are knocking up alot of women.”

The underlying goal women are pushing for is that beta males stay beta males because of the rules, alphas ignore the rules so they know for sure which ones are alphas, and since alphas won’t commit and beta males can be controlled and convinced cuckolding is being a good feminist chode:

Their ultimate goal is alphas getting hundreds of girls pregnant, and betas WILLINGLY providing for those kids. France is already trying it with the outlawing of paternity tests “because it breaks up families”. Yes, I imagine it WOULD break up families if a guy found out his 3 kids belonged to 3 other dudes and he’s not actually passing on his genes…keep him in the dark, if you beat him down with feminism enough he’ll WANT to stay in the dark like a good little chode while the alphas keep banging his wife and not be expected to raise the kid.

@Rollo
As time goes on I find it harder and harder to disagree with your assessment of how and why that all went down, because I don’t think Roosh is just a naive idiot any more than I think Anita Sarkeesian is just an innocent oppressed womyn who can’t understand why she’s always on the front page of the news.

@redlight
“If you go to Toronto’s entertainment district, or many of the other pub areas, it’s like fish in a barrel. However Toronto’s average house price is now over $1M, so for a wall-nearing (or over) woman, if you present as anything that might be a beta, you are getting “the rules”. ”

Don’t present as anything that might be beta and dont’ hit on wall-nearing (or over) women. Bam, problem solved. Those girls are sweet as sugar to the alpha guy who’s banging them out that night. If your game is tight you can BE that guy…if you’re getting the hardcore bitch-shield shit over your $/betaness/etc. then she’s screening you as a BB not an AF and that means it’s time to work on your game skillz.

A lot of the RVF dudes who keep running into feminists and “entitled cunts” are walking in in their suit and matching pocket square basically ADVERTISING “Hey!! Screen me as a Provider!!!!!!” Confidentally approach a girl who’s dolled up while you’re wearing a t-shirt and sneakers and she knows you can’t POSSIBLY be a Provider, but since you approached confidently you MIGHT be a Lover…she’ll test to see what your frame is like and see if you act like a guy who should approach a girl like her while you’re dressed how you are, but if you pass those shit-tests you’re the guy she’ll be sweet as sugar to.


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Regarding Manlet persistence, there’s no need to scrape the barrel for hippy-dippy type explanations like estrogens-from-plastic (waiting for the tinhat chorus now, even CH is full of them). That’s all blank-slate bullshit.

[CH: there is evidence that estrogenic chemical compounds are fucking with the sex assignment of fish. so i wouldn’t be quick to dismiss the charge out of hand.]

Manlets persist because betadom is in the genes of most men, and it’s damn hard to change what our genes tell us to do. I’m a member of a high-status profession and I’ve been a huge proponent of evolutionary psychology for over 30 years, but I only changed because I perceived a real threat that I might never get laid again if I didn’t.

Commenters like wala and Yareally have documented their own journeys and need for change, but they too did not come to the table with empty pockets – they had travel experience, or arty/entertainment careers, etc.

Now imagine the Manlets who really do come empty to the table; average IQ so they can’t understand what Steve Pinker tells them; high inhibition so they can’t act on it even if they did understand; no fame so they can’t even content themselves with aging feminist pussy like Pinker himself; killing, muffin-top physiognomy, low-status job with no tingle factors, etc, etc.

Sure, theoretically all they need to do is recognize that confidence is key and start faking it. But how exactly can more than 1% of them be expected to take the plunge?

[galileo probably thought the same thing when he pondered releasing his truth to the world. but he did it anyway. because truth has self-evident value.]


  • Matt
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    Sure, theoretically all they need to do is recognize that confidence is key and start faking it. But how exactly can more than 1% of them be expected to take the plunge?

    Men everywhere — alpha males — will get theirs no matter the environment, because nature prevails through wax-winged artifice. Naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret. When any given culture makes it a little harder for men to get their slice of the pie, it becomes that much harder for the imitation-men to get their own stolen piece.

    CH’s above manifesto describes how nature’s losers can better imitate better men, and how they might finagle the rewards of those betters, and which kinds of environments are more amenable to their ruse. Or “game.”


    • YaReally
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      Game works best on sober girls. Drunk girls don’t understand verbal nuances and have too much ADD to focus on getting deep rapport etc. Most of my buddies and I purposely avoid drunk girls. The hottest girls also rarely drink because the 6s can get sloppy plastered all over the dance floors but the smokin hot ones who are building a reputation in the nightlife scene and know everyone is watching them just tour the clubs sober hoping a high value man will approach them, they aren’t downing jäger shots and sucking face all over the dance floor, except in te fantasy vision of clubs in the heads of guys who don’t go out.

      We sarge outside of bars all the time. Street game day game sarging coffee shops and libraries and malls and shit

      Every time you talk out your ass you just show everyone you don’t go out.

      [CH: all true. these people who say game only works on drunk girls have obviously never run game in their lives. what “works” on drunk girls: looking suave and taking personal space liberties.]



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@YaReally HABD, others…. Help a playa out… A girl I was banging comes back. HB8… after some back and forth about meeting up, she texts:

“Are you seeing other women?”

How to respond? The “always room for one more in my harem” cocky-funny won’t work here.

How to position this authentically or reframe it? No way I would want a gf…not interested in that. Could easily let her go. But she wants a reason to stay.

What is that reason to stay?


  • having a bad day
    on July 8, 2015 at 10:15 pm
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    Wala

    your actual response is just as cocky-funny (and is not really all that exaggerated…at least not enough) as the ‘harem’ response, which you should not use…and both seemed uncalibrated…(which you seem to understand…) = she’s not a drama queen…you just are not ‘hearing’ her…

    it’s hard to tell from the context, but Kant seems right, agree and amplify was not the right move…and his response was a ‘deflection’ which seemed to be better suited…bc it increases her emotional investment…

    what it seems like from the limited info/context is that she is looking for alpha confidence (and Culum’s ‘yes’ with nothing more gets that point) and not the alpha ‘asshole’ (which at some point in the process seems try-hard bc you can’t just ‘be real’ = uncalibrated = not enough rapport (her feeling a special connection with you)…and NOT ‘comfort’ (her feeling trust with you)…per YaReally’s breakdown on the difference many posts ago…

    “Needy girls are a time-suck and always leave me feeling at a loss if I end up playing in their frame.”

    needy girls are the girls that will clean your apartment, make time for booty calls, cook for you and bring their hot friends over for threesomes, in other words the opposite of a time-suck, if you tighten up your game…lol…you just need to figure out why they are ‘needy’ and they are usually going to be telling you that clearly on a subcomm channel…you just need to hear them…

    girls can share, but they don’t like to be second-placed…and it seems like she is looking for a special connection, which doesn’t necessarily mean she wants you to be exclusive (even if that’s what the shit tests look like on the surface)…she might just want to be more than just another hole to you…but that’s harder on YOUR end bc you have to be able to be the iron frame in the velvet interaction = emotional investment from you but it doesn’t change your interaction outcomes for her (i.e. you still see other girls…) and that’s going to get you a LOT of drama upfront as she tests your frame, but ultimately you hook girls harder bc they have HUGH emotional investment in you…AND you get all the benefits…including less drama later on = mLTR/FB/FWB…

    when she comes back and shit tests you again with the ‘seeing other girls?’ test, just ignore what she SAYS and focus on what she MEANS…

    her: are you seeing other girls?/do you miss me?/etc…(her looking for a connection…)
    you: we really have this special connection. (notice the deflection of her frame? and how it addresses her subcomm concern about being used by a playa? and how YOUR frame is all about getting a special connection with her? = dhv…)
    you: I love how you just ‘get me’…it gets me so wet…(see the jedi mind trick here?…lol)(then talk directly to her hindbrain…)
    you: we’re perfect together…we should make thousands of babies…[change subject to meeting up and ignore if she brings it up…just plant the seed…]

    try it and see what happens…

    good luck!

    ps. you don’t have to actually make the babies…lol…


    • YaReally
      on July 9, 2015 at 8:29 pm
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      “girls can share, but they don’t like to be second-placed”

      Girls are happy being second place if they only ever thought they could be third place. Know what I’m saying? A girl is happy to be promoted but never demoted. That’s why from day one you rule out any possibility of them ever being anything but an ONS, then they “win you over” into being a super casual fuckbuddy. Then they win you over into being a regular fuckbuddy. Then they win you over into being your primary fuckbuddy…secondary to your primary, but happy as fuck to have gotten that far.

      The prob is most guys let the girl feel like a primary then try to demote her to a secondary or lower so she flips her shit cause she’s losing position instead of gaining.

      Gotta set the frame from the start and be willing to lose the pussy at points when she tests your frame by trying to use her pussy to manipulate you.

      @wala
      This chick is using sex as a weapon. Give her commitment and what she wants OR ELSE you’re cut off.

      So she’s done a few things right now:

      1) she’s shown you exactly how her internal blueprint works. You now know that “removing her attention/sex/pleasantness” is her go-to move to get what she wants. She isn’t necessarily officially BPD but that’s BPD behavior. You now know the type of person she is. It’s like if you dated a feminist and she “joked” about making a false rape charge or telling the police you hit her. The fact that that even entered her mind says it’s an option to her.

      2) because of that, she has just ruled herself out as LTR material. Like that’s it. It’s done. She is no longer any possibility for a serious LTR because she’s shown that blueprint and you know where that blueprint leads. Rape accusations (she’s already saying you “hurt” her), suicide attempts to keep you from leaving, etc. she’s shown her hand and it’s “not LTR worthy” cards. There’s no debate. She’s done the equivalent of a girl revealing she has a heroin addiction or 2 kids from different baby daddies. She’s done for LTR consideration

      3) because she’s no longer an LTR candidate, you don’t have to care about appeasing her or winning her over. Just shrug and/or lol and move on. There’s no reason to engage her in a logical debate about who did what because 1) that’s her frame and you’re just falling into it and trying to change her mind not her mood and 2) you no longer WANT her in your life because she’s shown she’s manipulative and potentially dangerous so she doesn’t get the luxury of you giving a fuck if she gives you her attention or not.

      I’m trying to get an overall meta-frame across to you, does it make sense? Her actions to try to get you to chase her by using sex as a weapon and throwing drama at you should CAUSE the reaction of you no longer giving a fuck or having any interest in your connection with her.

      With these ones I don’t agree n amplify and I don’t avoid the question and I don’t logically debate. I turn it around on them. They want drama? Ok here’s some drama:

      Her: “are you seeing other girls?”
      Me: “of course. You haven’t been around in months and I’m ridiculously charming.”
      Her: “great I won’t waste your time then”
      Me: “lol drama queen”
      Her: “no I just get it. I don’t mean anything to you have a nice life”
      Me: “that’s a shame. I liked seeing you. But you know I don’t date girls who bring me drama so best of luck out there”

      It’s not going to make her run over and suck your dick but it’s holding your frame so that she knows 1) her manipulation bullshit won’t work you like her but are perfectly willing to cut her off for her actions and not out of butthurt but you’re specifically blaming her bringing you drama for why she’s made you give no fucks anymore so she understands it’s her not you that’s at fault and 2) that if she wants to be in your life she has to play by your rules and your frame because you won’t break it for her or any girl.

      Then if she decides to smarten up she’s welcome back in (but can now never be considered for LTR material because she’s shown her blueprint is BPD-esque) and if she doesn’t like those terms then she can go grow old and lonely or date some beta chode while she dreams about you fucking her. Either way you get things on your terms or save yourself the drama of dealing with her shit.

      This is hard to do when you’re in scarcity but when you have abundance it’s a lot easier to keep this frame and really is just a simple formula: behave and accept what I’m offering and you can be in my life, if you want more or different go find it elsewhere, and if you’re acting like a brat then you don’t get to be a part of my life, the choice is in your (her) hands.

      Make sense? This is a universal frame for ALL PEOPLE in your life, friends, family, bar buddies, women, etc. so when you have this frame, handling this girl’s drama and ruling her out as LTR material etc becomes self explanatory.

      (I would actually start a HUGE drama fight with her where I accuse her of a bunch of shit and just do what she’s doing to me because that’s funny to me then but I’ve met a lot of crazy bitches over the years so I can play with fire more than I’d recommend guys new to dealing with this shit play with lol)


  • YaReally
    on July 9, 2015 at 8:30 pm
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    Response in mod. Because it would be silly for it to show up in a timely fashion and be useful to you.

    [CH: i lol’ed]