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Culum Struan
on June 30, 2015 at 4:08 am
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Final FR from Dating Blitz week – the near miss FRA

This is scary stuff guys, even though I did nothing wrong. I really didn’t sleep much that night, but think it’s fine now.

Background: I banged a 30 yr HB6 virgin on the first date back in March (think I posted an FR then). I basically fried her circuits with attraction, got her back home and went through her LMR with standard tactics. I left her a virgin cos I didn’t want the responsibility but we did everything else and she was totally into it.

Took her out for ice cream after, very positive texts for the next few days – all fine. BUT


  • YaReally
    on June 30, 2015 at 2:00 pm
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    @Culum

    Close fuckin call dude.

    “But I was hungry and preferred eating alone with my book and I blew her off (nicely) saying something non-commital..”

    This is why a lot of Naturals have drama and FRA etc. because they prioritize their own wants above the girls…which is great for getting laid, but it’s also why some psycho bitch carries a mattress around campus for a year. If you want to roll the die of casual sex with girls you’ve just met (VS have dated for a long time before banging romantically as a couple) then you suck it up and do your fucking aftercare. In the 90s, whatever, even the early 2000s, it was okay to not do as much after-care to make sure she doesn’t feel slutty because what’s she going to do tell a couple close friends when she hangs out with them, who’ve never met and will never meet you? No biggie.

    But once texting was invented and now twitter, instagram, social justice mobs, world-wide instant publicity and support for any girl who accuses a man of anything and instant demonization and destruction of any man who’s accused of anything with NO punishment when you’re found to be lying? Mattress girl went to the fuckin UN or whatever. Insane.

    But if you’re a girl and a guy has “hurt” you by letting you fuck him and then not wanting a relationship, why WOULDN’T you cash in on all that victim-bux? There’s no reason NOT to. You can even do it anonymously.

    If you don’t do after-care even with the ugly 4 that you were wasted and regret waking up beside, and take basic precautions for them to not know your last name or your job and as little personal info as possible, in 2015, then you are retarded.

    Whatever BRO!! I’m an alpha male I don’t care about no bitch’s feelings bro that’s supplicating beta shit bro I do what I want when I want!! Ok, tell it to the other FRA guys who’s lives have been ruined, IF you don’t end up railroaded into prison.

    “And she’s like “No..I’m just sitting here trying to figure out what just happened between us””

    Good that you recognized this for what it is. You were at least on the ball enough to realize the situ that was forming.

    “Here is where I made my mistake – I should have got her to come back in and talk things through and directed her emotions the right way and left her feeling good.”

    Ya, with a virgin you basically turned her on enough to want to fuck but you didn’t have enough Comfort for her to feel special so she ended up torn between wanting to fuck you but knowing you’ll vanish for another 3 months right after you get what you want etc. It was even in her “watch a movie and do WHAT?” text.

    I always:

    1) set myself up as not BF material from the moment we meet so I talk about being against LTRs etc so that if she gets with me she knows not to expect me to date her…it loses some girls but I also don’t have as much of this drama to deal with because when I don’t call it’s like “that’s exactly what I expect from him because it’s congruent to who he told me he was”, VS a lot of guys (esp Naturals) who will tell a girl anything “oh baby no you’re so special I think I’m really falling for you” to get the lay and then when they don’t call the girl feels extra used.

    2) avoid virgins. They’re shitty in bed and it’s not worth the drama of babysitting their fragile weird sex-issues psyche. At least one partner before me so I don’t get the brunt of the emo drama. ESPECIALLY if she’s a virgin past like 23…that’s just fucked up damaged goods crazy in a package right there. I can GET them, it’s not hard, they don’t know anything about sex so a guy who’s sexual blows their fucking mind, virgins have asked me TO be the one to do the deed, but in my experience after banging a few it ain’t worth the hassle for me because I don’t want to monogamously date them.

    3) do a slow fade out, not an abrupt one. Slowly text less and less and make excuses with being busy with work to avoid a meetup but totally as soon as this workload is done we need to go hang out, then “admit” a couple weeks later that I ran into my ex while we were drunk and she forgave me for being an asshole and we’re going to try giving it another go sorry but I’m glad we met bla bla bla If I really want to sell it I’ll shoot a midnight txt on a fri/sat night saying “FML” “so drunk” “ex is here fml” to seed it so that when I say we got back together she has a story formed in her head of “oh he ran into his ex drunk and they got back together, that’s a story that makes sense and means I didn’t get used…he really liked me, he just got back with his ex I understand that I got back with my ex once too, oh well it’s too bad, I’ll ping him once in a while to see if it’s for real then give up”. If I really REALLY want to sell it, in step 1 there when I’m talking about how relationships are stupid I’ll mention my ex and say I just broke up with a girl bla bla I was an asshole bla bla separate ways bla bla whatever I don’t even care (protesting too much). That way when I do the actual “we’re going to give it another try” thing, not only is it 100% congruent and believable, but half the time they actually WISH ME LUCK lol

    And if I run into her at the bar when I’m macking other girls I either say “oh that girl over there is my ex” or say I broke up and make an excuse not to bone that night lol

    Air-tight shit. Memorize this escape method and use it in these situs. Not necessarily your current situ…your current situ you’re pretty fucked, you basically have to like, date her for a bit and somehow slow-fade it lol I wouldn’t actually fuck her or then you’re REALLY locked in. Tangled goddamn web you got here, but a lot better than ignoring her and having an FRA seep out and ruin your rep just because some awkward virgin regrets touching a cock.

    “I knew I couldn’t say sorry (directing emotions the wrong way) so had to stay upbeat.”

    Good, well done. This dynamic works the same as saying something offensive. If you say something “wrong” and apologize or act like it was wrong, then that feeds her view of it being wrong because she pings off her environment for how to feel (thus being convinced by her friends that she was raped when the reality is it was consensual etc.). If you acted like you had to explain yourself, that would imply that you did something wrong that needs explaining which feeds her view etc.

    Instead you just STEAMROLL THE FUCK OVER HER FRAME with the frame of nothing’s wrong what are you talking about oh you viewed it that way that sucks I really liked you etc. etc.

    Sure it’s lying and emotionally manipulating her but 1) she threw down the gauntlet first and the stakes are real so anything goes, and 2) it’s survival in 2015, the consequences are astronomical…FRAs are like handing a bunch of schoolkids loaded shotguns they don’t even realize how much damage their toy can do.

    “She texted me back when she got home but none of the texts were positive enough to be FRA proof. And then I pounced and called her and talked to her.”

    Risky situ. A call leaves zero evidence (unless you record it, check your laws but I’d rather face a court for recording a conversation than falsely raping a girl) so txts are better but if she isn’t biting on the txts then you made the right move escalating it to a call, getting her in a good state, THEN collecting txt evidence once she’s receptive. So you played this all solid given your situ, there were a lot of points where this could have turned out ugly as fuck.

    “Told her I was surprised at her reaction because we were having a good time, but we should go out for a movie sometime”

    Yup. Steamroll that shit and dangle a non-sexual carrot. This is giving her the Comfort she needs to feel special.

    “yeah right, that’s why you were moaning and giving me a HJ”

    Ya, WE all believe you. Any red pill guy knows it happened how you described. But everyone else will believe her. Even if that’s starting to change with all these FRA hoaxes getting exposed lately, it’s still the vast vast majority opinion and will fuck your name (and photo these days) over.

    “I went to bed feeling a bit better but still had no proof (text messages) – she could still sleep on it and go to the police to resolve her issues about how turned on she got with me (talk about the impact your first man has on you).”

    lol but ya, phone call leaves no evidence. Next time record. I have a recording app on my phone for questionable situations.

    “Next day or two I managed to pull it back with a bunch of super-comfort texts about sunny days and really boring beta stuff, but I managed to get some positive texts from her and the tone of her texts changed. It’s been almost a week now, so I think I am okay (although she could report late of course).”

    Solid play, and all you can really do at this point. Just gather as much evidence as possible that she likes you so that it’s like Mattress girl txting the guy “I want you to fuck me in the butt”, it’s like if shit goes nuclear you can publish ALLLL of that shit and at least stand a fighting chance in the court of public opinion. It’s hard-ball but she started it with this nonsense.

    “But thanks to YaReally in particular for all the old posts on aftercare and not letting her regret what she did (we had a great exchange about FRAs against some celebrity photographer last year which helped me a lot).”

    Saving your ass just made all that typing I did worth it. Like I say that’s why I’m here, to help dudes out. Glad it helped you avoid becoming the next bullshit feminist statistic.

    Agree with habd, this is the optimal plan right now…go asexual and try to friend-zone yourself:

    “unless YaReally has a better game plan, you can either ‘be busy’ on the road with your schedule and not able to see her for another couple months but still text her boring beta stuff…or take her out to dinner and a movie, but NO kissing/sex…don’t YOU initiate anything, including sex talk/topics…use these:”

    Not sure how to get out of it longterm. This goes back to the Julien investment concept I’ve mentioned lately: she needs to get you into an LTR to justify her investment of touching your cock. So even if you go full chode on her, she will probably not care and try to LTR you just on principle. I don’t wanna say you have to actually date her for a couple months and break up but like, if you can’t come up with a better plan there’s always that lol

    My 3 rules/steps up above generally keep me out of this situation.

    Fuck I didn’t even realize she was 30. Goddamn mine-field. That adds all sorts of layers of baggage damage on top of it with the baby timer ticking and the wall approaching and NEEDING the attention from society that an FRA would give her etc. Good fuckin luck lol it’s a miracle you survived that initial play. Would def not date her or bang her…MAYBE be busy then in a few weeks go for asexual drinks and have to work in the morning and you don’t want to go too fast for her so let’s just have fun hanging out tonight etc. THEN somehow slow fade out of there but like, shit, might as well just say you’re moving to Yemen.

    To the “you broke it you bought it guys”: a 30yo virgin is already broken as FUCK. Someone else broke that shit long ago. A 21yo virgin, alright, but not 30. That is ALWAYS some “broken and at best duct-taped back together” shit right there. Leave em better than you found em, unless they try to FRA you, then burn that shit to the ground.


  • mingetastic
    on July 1, 2015 at 4:39 pm
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    when you say ‘did everything else, and she was totally into it’ what does that entail? cunnilingus, finger banging, blowjobs? I’m in the same boat with a 22 yr old non SJW. the hymen is rarely intact so they say: it degrades over times, so they say. a bicycle ride could pop her cherry, so they say. hard to believe they’re virgins – have to take their word for it. don’t want responsibility either, but am toying with the idea of plan M all the same


    • YaReally
      on July 3, 2015 at 12:24 am
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      I agree completely with what having a bad day is explaining about the calibration. Too much beta and the FRA comes back

      Also my original point with the investment thing is that even IF you act beta she may need to get an LTR with you to justify what she did. Like her need to avoid feeling like a slut overrides her need to be attracted to you.

      But habd’s ideas sound solid to me with the stealth “oh he seems attractive from afar so it makes sense that I touched his dick but up close as I get to know him he’s not as great as I thought so I’m out”. I would take this approach, saying your busy with work so you can’t meet up yet and slowly dropping subtly less appealing opinions on topics to where she’s like uhh look I don’t think this’ll work out

      Interesting idea. Again I’m not generally in this position because of how I structure my game as pure Alpha Fux and avoiding virgins etc but if I were I would try this move out. Report back with how it went if you try it lol no specific text details necessary (don’t make yourself tracable if she stalker-googles your texts) but just curious how it plays out.

      Also props on the work you’ve put in. “Leave em better than you found em” is the rule we try to go by. It is VERY easy to manipulate girls. So easy that it disturbs me they’re in powerful positions in the work force. You shouldn’t be allowed to be in HR when I can have shit credentials but win you over with a smile and you shouldn’t be CEO when I can make you run to the bathroom crying with just a few cutting WORDS. Like, once you understand how it works it’s scary.

      But use your powers for good not evil, cause you can get laid either way so why put negative energy out into the world lol



Rapport And Comfort Are Fine, But You Need More Than That To Attract Girls

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tteclod
on June 23, 2015 at 6:22 pm
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Ya- you have a blog?


  • YaReally
    on June 24, 2015 at 8:09 am
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    Click my name.



newlyaloof
on June 24, 2015 at 6:25 am
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@YaReally: “So it doesn’t matter that none of what you did made sense logically. You could make it as ridiculous as possible. “Oh you don’t like older men (loud) wow why do you hate old disabled people? (to the ppl beside you) This girl pushed an old disabled man down the stairs how fucked up is that.”

I agree that this is a great method, but the video of Julien messing with that girl about being a bad kisser wasn’t the best example in my opinion. I think doing what he does but doing it with more of a playful vibe would be more of my style. He just seemed a bit weird and neurotic in that clip instead of just playfully messing around. Know what I mean? Did you get that feeling at all, or am I just misreading it?


  • YaReally
    on June 24, 2015 at 8:07 am
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    He’s just showing the extreme of how far you can take it. By society’s logic he shouldn’t be able to be so “mean” and get the girl but what he’s doing triggers instinctive behavior. You can be nicer with it. Some girls respond really well to being harsher with it. Calibrate as you go.


    • YaReally
      on June 25, 2015 at 8:41 am
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      Routine are great. Even Naturals use routines. They just don’t do it consciously or structured…but when a certain topic comes up they tell that story you’ve heard them tell a million times about a time they did something awesome related to that topic. And when a girl says or does a certain thing they do the thing they always do that has always gotten them a good reaction and a lay etc

      The problem is guys think the words themselves are the key instead of the structure. It’s like thinking the secret to punching hard is making a fist…if you can understand the principles of “move something quickly toward something else” then you can apply the same “hit someone” routine to punching kicking elbowing swinging a bat or pipe at someone etc whatever’s convenient for you.

      Even mystery said to use his routines as training wheels but to understand the structure behind WHY they work for him and customize them to yourself. He didn’t want a bunch of little Mystery’s running around. But guys are lazy so they just copied him.

      “You and I would never get along, we would fight all the time” = disqualifying her (first half of it), future projection (roleplaying what life together will be like, which assumes the sale and assumes she would want to be together) and push/pull (we’d be together (pull), BUT we would fight (push))

      So if you said “Sorry you’re too sweet for me. I would break your heart.” the words are 100% different but the underlying structure is exactly the same.

      “You’re wasting your time. I’m into blondes, not brunettes. I would wake up tomorrow and be like “oh god what have I done how drunk was I”” = same structure

      “God, I hate that I’m so attracted to you…I can tell you’re the type of girl that’s going to make me miserable. And I’m going to think to myself “ya, but that was WORTH it.” I can’t talk to you, you’re trouble for me.” = verbose but same structure

      “(as you catch her glancing at you) Nope. Trust me.” = laconic but the same structure (just a lot more subtly implied, the “trust me” SAYS “it would end badly” which is future projection and push/pull still)

      “Go bug someone else. I don’t drink enough to put up with your shit.” = asshole version but again it follows the same structure disqualifying, implying a future together and roleplaying what that would look like (you having to drink and her annoying you) and push/pull (because you’re implying a future together at all but pushing her away)

      I say if you’re socially awkward as fuck, use routines. When you get your basic social skills handled look deeper at the routines and why they work and construct your own. When you get good you’ll be able to improvise on the fly and what you improvise will naturally follow pickup concepts and you’ll be spitting out gold but you’ll still have a handful of personal routines that you use because the reality is people react in predictable ways and if you have a killer response when a girl says “sorry I have a boyfriend” the you might as well use it when that situation comes up because it amuses you and you get a good result. When you get bored of it switch it up but follow the structure that works.

      I improvise a lot of what I say but I also have a lot of personalized routines that just come from socializing a lot and saying whatever’s on my mind and it turns out this story I tell about a thing that happened to me gets good reactions. What if I tweak how I tell that story slightly and ass a little more build-up here and a pause and then save this part of the story for the punchline and oh shit these girls’ heads explode when I tell this story like this. If this subject comes up I might as well drop this story in and explode their heads.

      People who avoid routines out of like religious dogma style reasons have a silly view to me. Use whatever works and makes the game fun for you. It can be fun to go up and totally improvise and it can be fun to use personalized routines that you know will nail shit to the wall. A comedian can go up and improvise his set or a salesman improvise his sales call, or they can drop in their tried and tested material they know gets a good response and the act of doing that can BE self-amusing (“this is going to be hilarious I love when her head explodes lol she has no idea what’s coming lolol” VS coming from a frame of supplicating dancing monkey trying to entertain her).

      Your own brain matters too. Some guys love routines some love improv. I have a buddy who runs fully routine game because having tried and true routines locked & loaded gives him confidence and a feeling of control. I prefer a lot more improv because the shit I come up with makes me lol

      That all said, learn from everywhere. Learn from guys who do improvised game, learn from guys who do routines, watch RSD, read Krauser (I haven’t yet but walas description sounds good), read Mystery Method, hang with Naturals, take an improv class, sit down and analyze routines to figure out why they work, etc etc

      Be like Bruce Lee: absorb what is useful, discard what is not.



PWN
on June 24, 2015 at 9:54 am
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Frankly, I’m amused by people who simply diminish the importance of things they don’t have. This applies both to YaReally’s limiting beliefs about the benefits of looks/working out and the people who Tinder and say that looks are super important there(like you can’t apply game principles to the pictures you upload there: e.g. using preselection). And both camps use weird examples to justify it: the athletic, good looking guy with poor game or the bland profile of an ugly guy to justify it. It’s quite obvious that both matter and while game matters more than looks, if a good looking guy isn’t inept and/or autistic, you will struggle stealing his girls. I’ve been both chubby and athletic and I had random girls start talking to me, girls I just met grab my biceps and ask me what sport am I playing, walk alone with nothing in a club and talk to nobody but the bartender have girls introduce me to their girlfriends.

There are multiple benefits to being athletic. You’re better in bed, you get more IOIs so you don’t waste as much time talking to girls who you have to put in more work to make interested, you will have it far easier with online dating, men will be less willing to try to poach your girls etc.

What’s hilarious about the ‘only looks matter to girls’ type is that they’re not even putting their money where their mouths are: they’re not the people I find in the gym. I suppose there’s an equivalent of idiot with no game that touts the benefits of game too. I think the most effective is to work on both and not get super great at one of them and lack in the other department.

Oh, the only reason why you get so many guys that look good there and have awful game is because they are afraid of other people and use working out as a way to get around it and get girls. This doesn’t work unless working out also changes your attitude. But someone who started working out early and has good experiences too will have at least decent game naturally. If a good looking guy knows basic game, he will already have talked to a few girls that IOIed him and will be preselected like you and then he will just agree and amplify with what you tell girls to make you seem preposterous or use amused mastery and treat your ugly, but charismatic ass as some interesting thing, like the animals at the zoo doing tricks. I’m pretty sure you can learn how to deal with this, but the time you will spend dealing with it AND the time you will spend learning how to deal with it could be easily used to lift some weights. If you buy two stupid dumbbells and lift them at home for an hour you will look better than 90-95% of American men. lol. If you know basic shit about nutrition, by hauling a couple of dumbbells about, you can lose 50-60lbs in 6-9 months and in a year or a year and a bit of being consistent you will be sinewy and girls will feel that when you hug them. I forgot to mention, girls LOVED to hug me because of being athletic. Can’t say I minded having 4-5 girls press their tits against me each time I went to school. Just don’t be that loser who was a loser his whole life and now is a loser in good shape(aka guy who is out of shape and thinks looks are everything girls want that started to workout).

“All girls love emotional roller coaster rides, but in my experience I’ve found that the “nice girls” — the ones with low N counts and stable psychology — love the emotional push and pull the most.”
I don’t have a huge sample, but based on my experience, smart girls love it more than stupider girls too. And the benefits are that the replies you get from smart girls aren’t as stupid as the ones you used in your reply to walawala.


  • YaReally
    on June 24, 2015 at 12:07 pm
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    Big one so I can link to this in the future when this topic comes up like it always fucking does lol:

    @PWN
    “This applies both to YaReally’s limiting beliefs about the benefits of looks/working out”

    I think they’re good things to do, but at the end of the day they have no real significant impact on getting the girl unless you have zero competition. I’ve said a million times if a girl has nothing else to go by except looks, then ya, she’ll pick the good-looking guy (this is why being good-looking on Tinder helps, all she has to go by is the pic, she’s not even reading your little blurb below and very few guys orchestrate Tinder pics with social proof etc and even if they do that the girl isn’t actually experiencing direct emotional impact from them when she’s swiping profiles on her lunch break at work).

    “if a good looking guy isn’t inept and/or autistic, you will struggle stealing his girls”

    Nope. If a good looking guy isn’t inept and/or autistic he’ll have an easier time getting girls as long as 1) he doesn’t care which ones he gets and 2) no one interferes. And that can work out fine, tons of good-looking dudes are banging hot girls from their social circles that give them eyes from across the room at a party and everyone steps back and lets him have the girl because they think “well the good-looking guy SHOULD get her, I don’t deserve her I wouldn’t stand a chance”.

    “I’ve been both chubby and athletic and I had random girls start talking to me, girls I just met grab my biceps and ask me what sport am I playing, walk alone with nothing in a club and talk to nobody but the bartender have girls introduce me to their girlfriends.”

    Like I said, as long as no one more interesting than you is around, ya you’ll do fine lol But they will ignore you when someone who makes more of an emotional impact shows up. Maybe that’ll never happen, and that’s totally fine. But if you’re not a guy who lucked out being good-looking tall etc., you can more than make up for it with game and take girls off the guys who are just good-looking dudes walking around being normal dudes.

    “There are multiple benefits to being athletic.”

    If you have time to dedicate to athletics AND sarging, great, do both. But most people have limited time and can only focus on a few areas in life outside of their daily grind at work. If you can only choose one, make sarging higher priority than working out.

    Every hour you spend in the gym is a lay, instadate, 2 deep sets, 10 average sets, 20 short sets, etc. you could have run and gained experience calibrating your game and learning to escalate and hold your frame and tease a hot girl staring you down and practice telling interesting stories and learning to make those stories more captivating and learn to handle AMOGs and run a chick through a range of emotions.

    The better you get the less you have to practice because you internalize it all. I can go out once every week or two right now and do fine because I have a lot of consistency with my skillset from the years I worked at it. I can see a chick I want and there’s a very solid chance that I’m going to get her, obstacles or no, because I know what I’m doing and I know what to expect and I know how to guide the interaction forward toward my goal.

    So you have a choice: focus on getting jacked in your 20s, then try to learn game in your late 20s or early 30s when it’s more awkward to be “the old guy at the bar” and your friends are married and settling down and you have to either befriend 21yo’s who want to go out all the time and you no longer live on campus or anything you just work in some cubicle where the one hot girl at work is married and you can try to learn game THAT way because you focused on the gym in your early 20s instead.

    OR you can focus on learning game while you’re on campus SURROUNDED by hot girls all day and night, there’s dorm parties and shit, your friends all go out every weekend, you have access to tons of poon to learn on, you feel like you belong in the bar in terms of age range, etc. and then when you’ve got that skillset handled and racked up a shitload of experience slaying poon, focus on getting in shape in your late 20s early 30s when you have your boring cubicle job and your buddies are all settling down, because the bar isn’t scary for you to go out solo because you’ve learned how to befriend 21yo’s and enjoy their energy and they think you’re cool ’cause they see you get girls and you can teach them some game or you can go to a bar alone and build your social circles because you focused on learning how to do that in your 20s.

    I’m using extreme examples because like I say, it’s better to do both at the same time if you can with more of an emphasis on sarging than exercise, but how many guys ACTUALLY do both? And how many guys finish work, go to the gym, don’t talk to anyone, then go home and watch Game of Thrones or play xbox till it’s time to sleep and hide behind the excuse of “if I just get big biceps girls will approach ME!!!” instead of going out.

    I deal with reality, not ideals. And the reality is there’s an entire group of Forever Alone’ers over at the MISC who are better looking than any of us will ever be and can’t get laid and don’t go out and are waiting for the advice of “just be athletic then girls will feel your bicep and introduce you to their hot bartender girlfriends” to hopefully work out for them.

    “You’re better in bed,”

    This is basically the only reason I’ve started exercising lol Gotta keep up in bed with the 21yo chicks now that I’m old.

    “you get more IOIs so you don’t waste as much time talking to girls who you have to put in more work to make interested,”

    Like I said, you don’t get selection. You get the girls that choose you. And that’s fine, some of them will be hot, but most of them will be average and most guys will still shit bricks when they see their personal 10 with a couple guy/girlfriends around her and not approach her, then go home with the average girl who “gave them more IOIs” and rationalize it as “I didn’t want to waste my time putting in more work, I didn’t want her ANYWAY” as they picture her in their head while they bang the aggressive 6 that took them home at last call.

    “you will have it far easier with online dating,”

    This is true. No disagreement here. But if anyone says they’re banging 9s and 10s off OKCupid, I’m calling bullshit lol The 1-7s are on dating sites, with the occasional 8. Except Tinder, Tinder was fucking great when it was new, but now the fatties and uggos have heard they can get laid on there so it’s full of garbage lol Hit the bar or daygame oldschool style for better girls.

    “men will be less willing to try to poach your girls etc.”

    This is also true. But the guy never having to experience a guy trying to take his girl is exactly why I say these guys can get laid as long as no one interferes. The hardest guys for me to take girls off are the runty guys because for them to even be WITH a hot girl they usually have some kind of game/alpha qualities to them. The good-looking dude who’s never competed for a girl before is a cakewalk.

    And again, maybe no one with game will ever approach his girl. That’s fine, the bicep thing worked out super for him in that case. Hell it’s probably rare that someone with game is going to approach his girl. But if someone does, he’s gonna lose his girl.

    “I think the most effective is to work on both and not get super great at one of them and lack in the other department.”

    We don’t really disagree here, people just misrepresent my position (which is ironic given the OP’s topic lol). The only real difference between us is that I would say focus like 70/30 on sarging VS working out instead of 50/50 (just maintain being not a 300lbs fatass that lasts 10 seconds in bed) and I’m taking into account the reality that people have limited time. Very few dudes are going to work a 9-5 job, then hit the gym for an hour, then shower up and go sarge for 6 hours…a guy who CAN do that is going to do great. But that’s just not how it plays out in reality for most guys. Most guys either just hit the gym or they hit the gym and then sarge for 1 hour or drunkenly sarge on the weekends where they aren’t actually improving their game.

    Also I think guys should hyperfocus on game, consume it and sarge 24/7 as much as possible for a year when they start out. Get a good head start, THEN tone it back and look for that 70/30 balance of sarging/exercise, etc. Get that fuckin foothold.

    “Oh, the only reason why you get so many guys that look good there and have awful game is because they are afraid of other people and use working out as a way to get around it and get girls.”

    I agree. Part of why I stress sarging so much is that no one NEEDS anyone to stress “go hide at the gym and hope having biceps will let you passively get girls so you don’t have to learn to socialize and risk social judgement and rejection”. That’s the default fucking message thrown at guys from every fucking angle because most of society is too chickenshit to cold approach or doesn’t think game works.

    So if you say “you should workout and sarge” a guy hears “the more I workout the less I have to sarge! And this other guy said girls feel his biceps and he doesn’t even have to game them!!!! GYM TIME BABY!!!” Then they hit 30 and still don’t have the girl they want and they don’t have the social circles and ease of access to hot 21yo’s they had in college and now instead of a small hill to climb they have Mt Everest because they have to sarge bars at 30 just learning the ropes.

    “But someone who started working out early and has good experiences too will have at least decent game naturally.”

    I disagree lol Lifting weights doesn’t give you game. It’ll give you a few boosts here and there like confidence and shit but every night out at any nightclub anywhere you can see a dozen good-looking guys standing around the club with their drink up at their chest scared shitless to talk to girls and dropping the ball on girls that want to fuck them…and if you talk to those guys they’ll BE cool guys, lots of alpha dudes and shit, but that doesn’t translate by default into being able to mack girls. This isn’t me blowing smoke up everyone’s ass telling magical stories to hype up my position…this is OUT THERE every single weekend! Go to nightclubs for a few months and LOOK for these guys. Watch them, talk to them, they’re all over the fucking venue lol

    “If a good looking guy knows basic game, he will already have talked to a few girls that IOIed him and will be preselected like you and then he will just agree and amplify with what you tell girls to make you seem preposterous or use amused mastery and treat your ugly, but charismatic ass as some interesting thing, like the animals at the zoo doing tricks.”

    This happens basically never lol What happens most of the time is the guy will have some preselection and then freeze up when anyone enters the set. He’ll be polite and let the other guy talk and he’ll fall into one of a dozen traps that involve qualifying himself. The bar isn’t full of a bunch of James Bond badasses, it’s full of chodes who lift weights instead of talk to girls.

    “I’m pretty sure you can learn how to deal with this”

    Ya it’s easy, you just calibrate if the guy agrees & amplifies then you try a different tool. But you rarely have to because no guy does. They just freeze like deer in the headlights. They THINK they’ll do something, they’ll talk online about what a badass they are and how they would just dismiss you lian amusing zoo animal, but in real life when push comes to shove and they’re confronted out of the blue by a guy with game in-set, they choke hard. Because no one enters their set so why WOULD they be good at dealing with that? They’ve never had to do it.

    It’s like saying oh I’ve never been in a fight before but if Mike Tyson came at me I would just punch him in the jaw and take him out for sure. Any REAL alpha would. No, if Tyson comes at you you will curl up into a ball and shriek like a girl just like everyone else lol If some drunk slob comes at you then ya you might knock him out. And if you’ve been sparring non-stop your whole life with big guys you MIGHT keep your cool as Tyson swings.

    But you just admitted earlier that if you’re good-looking less guys come into your set, so why would you be able to take down Tyson when you rarely spar? It doesn’t make sense and that delusional belief that “oh man if the chips are down, I would somehow overcome the obstacle even tho I’ve never had to before I just know I would” is a big part of why it’s easy to take over the set and why they freeze up the same way the guy who took karate when he was 8 years old freezes up when shit really hits the fan.

    “I forgot to mention, girls LOVED to hug me because of being athletic.”

    Girls love to hug me because my belly is cuddly. Girls are attracted to whatever you’re confident about.

    “Can’t say I minded having 4-5 girls press their tits against me each time I went to school.”

    Again, as long as there’s no one more interesting around and you don’t care which girls you get yup, you’ll do fine. But when you leave school, if you haven’t learned to socialize and create social circles because you spent your time lifting weights and playing Warcraft, you aren’t going to be around girls who press their tits against you.

    “Just don’t be that loser who was a loser his whole life and now is a loser in good shape(aka guy who is out of shape and thinks looks are everything girls want that started to workout).”

    Agreed. Lift for yourself and your own health, not to impress girls and not as a cheat code that you think will get them.

    The problem is when you say girls will come up pressing their tits against you for working out: what do you think a guy who’s scared to go out and socialize is going to take from that? He’s going to think “YES!!! Cheat code!! Now I don’t have to go out and socialize I can just lift and I’ll have girls pressing their tits against me!!!!!” Then when it doesn’t happen they get disillusioned.

    Because it’s the same shit the rest of society tells them. Just get the right car, just get the good job, just get in shape, and girls will just FALL FROM THE SKY onto your dick. No one ever says “even if you do all that, you’ll have to learn how to talk to them and be cool and flirt and escalate”. So they get all that stuff and then girls still give no fucks about them and they can’t comprehend what’s going on because they followed the plan. They’re doing the things society told them would get them girls and it’s not working out.

    And that’s how you end up with the Forever Alone’ers, and (not to equate the two at all lol) the Elliot Rodgers, the George Sodinis, and this racist kid who shot up the church because the chick he liked fucked a black guy. Sodini is the best example because Rodgers and the church kid are skinny little dudes, but Sodini has a video up where he’s just touring his house showing his nice providery house, how he keeps it nice and clean, he’s in shape, he’s got a decent job where he makes decent money, he’s got all the material things and the looks to do decent, but somehow he still goes 20 years without getting laid until he finally snaps and shoots a bunch of chicks at his gym.

    Sarging and learning to build social circles and approach and charm strangers is an important thing. You don’t learn that shit lifting dumbbells. I know because I’ve hung out with a ton of those guys, half my wings have been better looking Naturals compared to me (they like me because I can keep up with and out-do them despite not having their advantages so it’s a curious thing to them but I bring value to the group because of it).

    I’ve met literally ONE that has legit killer game AND good looks etc. And he was poor as fuck because all he did was fuck girls and workout lol The rich good-looking jacked dude with game is a myth. Unless you consider “not being socially retarded and having a few steps above normal random beta guys who have anti-game” to be “having game” then ya, there’s lots of that lol But that doesn’t get you much.

    I look at it like if at the end of the day, for either of us to get that 10 in a mixed set (with guys who are “athletic” themselves since hot girls social circles are full of hot guys (with no game, or they’d be fucking her)) with the jacked bartender flirting with her that we want instead of the easy 7 who’s giving us the eye, we both have to go up and get her attention and pro-actively approach and express ourselves and create an emotional impact?

    Then hey, I’m gonna focus my time on learning how to do THAT really fucking well lol In my 30s I can lift some dumbbells.


    • YaReally
      on June 25, 2015 at 8:03 am
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      @Culum
      My rule for girls you haven’t banged yet is if you’re about to pass thru her city, do more comfort than sex. If you’re not going to be around for a while, do sex. The idea being to get both comfort and sexual shit in there but with the comfort acting as a buffer between the sex and meeting up with you, to avoid triggering ASD.

      You CAN just do sex and get her to meet up all horny just to fuck, but I’ve found that it’s lower consistency because you’re asking the girl to actively go against her ASD. It can be DONE, I went thru a phase where I was ignoring comfort and just pushing the sex side of things to see what would happen, but I got a lot more “i’ll flirt and sext, but chicken out when it comes time to meet up for real because you don’t view me as special you just view me as a hole to stick your dick in”

      Every girl wants to feel a LITTLE special.

      And I ramp up my txting as my pass thru her city approaches. So the week before I pass thru we’ll be doing a lot more txting than if I won’t be back for a year.

      If I’ve already banged her then it’s fine to go sexual as my pass thru approaches cause we’ve presumably already had comfort when we had sex before (even if I do my comfort afterward while she’s cuddled up to me) and she shouldn’t be getting ASD if you’ve already banged unless you made her feel unspecial after it and then she might need to go out for a drink first while you rebuild comfort and show her you don’t just want her for sex.

      But I get comfort when we first bang so I escalate sexually over txt all week txting dirty descriptions of what I’m going to do to her and sometimes I’ll tell her she’s not allowed to touch herself till I get there etc etc to help build the sexual anticipation of my arrival.

      This is really variable cause there’s a lot of factors and with txting you’re adding a bunch of extra dice rolls compared to one on one in person because who knows where she is or what her mood is when she’s txting etc so you can make other methods work but for me I found this approach had the highest consistency.


    • YaReally
      on June 25, 2015 at 9:43 am
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      @wala
      I don’t see any reason to fuck around with sexting given her attitude and your timeframe. She’s compliant as fuck and you know how to escalate in person so there’s no real benefit to getting all sexual via text the week or two before meeting up and risking triggering ASD/flaking.

      I just send them stupid meme pics and shit about my day like some weird thing I saw that related to an in-joke we have. Like maybe I gave her a nickname and then I’ll send a pic related to that nickname that’s funny or a weird coincidence etc. and just that’s it, it’s just a ping to keep me fresh in her mind till the meet-up.

      Thing is because she’s so compliant you shouldn’t have to do much over this next 2 weeks. You shouldn’t need really in-depth day-long text conversations if she’s that agreeable, so no reason to overgame it with daily long conversations.


  • YaReally
    on June 24, 2015 at 12:26 pm
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    huge reply in mod. I don’t disagree with parts of what you’re saying, it’s just that I like to point out the realities of what these guys can ACTUALLY expect from hitting the gym:

    These guys aren’t going to have 4-5 girls rubbing their tits all over them and hot bartenders introducing them to their girlfriends by lifting some fucking dumbbells.

    The biggest problem with the “just hit the gym” mindset is that guys don’t give a shit about these nerdy dudes. They’re picturing some relatively cool guy and saying “bro you don’t need that game shit, wtf, just BE COOL man, hit the gym you’ll get tits all over you”.

    No one cares about these guys. People look at these guys and go “well c’mon, they’re losers, that’s just how it is” and expect these guys to just go through 60 years of not getting pussy and not seeing what it’s like for a girl to look at them like they have any kind of value. They don’t care what happens to these guys at 30 or 40. These guys don’t exist, these guys hopefully just run our internet and find some ugly 4 to settle with who divorce rapes them and hopefully they don’t get frustrated enough to go on a killing spree after 20+ years of involuntary celibacy.

    Game can help THESE guys. More than lifting weights.


    • YaReally
      on June 25, 2015 at 8:57 am
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      “Happens to me some when dancing after losing 50 lbs.”

      Do you think any of those guys is going out to bars and dancing? Do you think any of those guys has even been INSIDE a bar let alone gone on a dance floor with girls watching them to dance it up?

      They will be 50lbs less but sitting in their CPU chair still terrified to talk to girls. They won’t even get in situations where girls are able to feel their biceps up because they fundamentally don’t know how to feel comfortable in a social environment except for a LAN party with their close buddies.

      I get the impression that people don’t realize how socially awkward massive hordes of men in society are. Attend a nerd convention like Comicon sometime and look at what the guys who are going to look for help talking to girls are like.

      Ya a guy who’s already heading out to bars and dancing with girls is going to benefit from lifting some weights (but not as much as learning game), but the “go lift and your internal core will be stronger” results in a bunch of nerds playing Warcraft with strong internal cores before they go home to jack off to porn and spend another night alone and unloved. A girl who touches their bicep turns them into blushing stuttering mess and they end up friendzoned with oneitis at BEST. That doesn’t help them.

      Nobody has any answers for how to get these dudes laid because they see them and think it’s too big a task to fix them. But learning game (aka how to be confident in social situations so that they can actually go out into social situations and do well) can fix them.

      Half of CH’s traffic is guys like these guys lurking and reading hoping someday they can get a girl to love them. “Lift weights” helps them as much as “just be yourself”. It’s empty platitude nonsense said by guys who haven’t hung around guys like this and don’t get that they’re doing the same shit as a Natural saying “just be cool, man”. If they knew how to do that they wouldn’t be in the situ they’re in lol

      I know cause my buddies and I were these guys. Lifting wouldn’t have done shit for me when I didn’t understand how to fundamentally interact with women and social groups. We were rolling out to the bar on a Saturday night, we didn’t have hot girls hanging out with us who would suddenly start telling us how hot we look as we got jacked.

      Game can take guys like that and get them LAID and get them the relationships they want with the girls they dream about.


    • YaReally
      on June 25, 2015 at 9:01 am
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      *We WEREN’T rolling out to the bar on a Saturday night

      Important spelling correction lol


    • YaReally
      on June 25, 2015 at 9:54 am
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      @asd
      “But I wasn’t afraid to approach girls at my boarding school dances and that caused me to stand out.”

      That’s kind of my point. You had the balls to go join a dance studio where you might embarrass yourself and to approach girls at the dances. Like that’s awesome, I’m glad you had a head start.

      “The key is to have the balls to approach women.”

      That’s kind of my point. What kind of advice is that? (no offense because I know it comes with good intentions) If they just “had the balls to approach women” they wouldn’t need help lol “Just be cool, man” It doesn’t do anything for them.

      Lifting weights might help them feel better about themselves but “feeling good about yourself” and “walking into a dance studio full of people who are good at dancing including hot girls, where everyone’s going to stare at you as you try to awkwardly shuffle around with hot girls potentially laughing at you and risking being the guy that no girls wants to dance with just like you were the last guy picked in gym class” are different things.

      Julien from RSD was too scared to even ask a little old lady for the TIME on the street during the day. I was similar, a lot of guys who take up pickup are similar. Being jacked isn’t going to make a guy socially confident if he’s spent his life being scared of social situations. Experience succeeding in social situations makes a guy socially confident.

      Like I say, people look at these dudes and go “oh well sure there are some guys like that, but I see nerdy guys at my gym and dance class too!!” Ya, that’s great. Now forget those guys and go back to the nerds who aren’t in your gym and dance class…how can you help THEM? What do ya got? Like, how do you get them to start asking little old ladies for the time when they’re scared to leave their computer room and clam up in social situations?

      Everyone wants to help the EASY cases. “Oh, you’re a cool guy with friends who isn’t a social retard? Just lift some weights bro! Look at me I created another success story!” “Oh you’re a nerd who’s confident enough to join a dance class and put yourself outside of your comfort zone in social situations? Just lift some weights dude! BAM another success story!!”

      But that shit doesn’t help the tough cases and there are a shitload of tough cases out there these days in our feminized “you’re a rapist if you even look at a girl or have sexual thoughts” culture. No one has solutions that will get their dick inside a warm hole…even if a girl dances with them or feels their bicep they won’t get her to want to fuck them because they don’t have game.


    • YaReally
      on June 25, 2015 at 10:16 am
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      Mario/habd

      Thanks for sharing. That depressed guy at the gym is partly depressed because everyone told him if he hit the gym he’d have 4-5 girls a day rubbing their tits on him and bartenders introducing him to their hot friends and it’s not happening so what is he supposed to think? He’s doing everything “right” according to the advice he got…and he’s still failing. So in his head that must me HE is at his CORE a failure. And he has no idea how to get out of that hole because he’s doing everything the “chicks’ll feel up your bicep” guys said would get him a girlfriend.

      I had a good buddy who simply wouldn’t take game advice or swallow the red pill. Dude made good money, was ripped as fuck, good-looking and SOCIAL he was out all the time tons of friends in the nightlife scene even, bouncers and shit all knew him, if you met him you’d go “this guy is cool he shouldn’t have any problem getting girls that doesn’t make sense” but he didn’t know how to get a girl who’s GIVING HIM IOIS to go from that to fucking her because he wouldn’t follow game and wanted his plan of “just get a good job and look good and make money and socialize and “it’ll happen”” to work out.

      He’s in his mid-30s now, still alone, I saw him get laid maybe once a year MAX, and if you asked me “are you worried he might commit suicide someday if he can’t find a girlfriend?” I couldn’t answer “no” to that. He wants the white pickett fence and 2 kids but he’s hoping all these passive actions will help make it happen because people told him it would.

      “this is MORE than true…most people really don’t get the social ostracization guys like this feel…we just don’t fit in…”

      Yup. I was one of these guys too, and so were my buddies, that’s why I like to help them when other people will just toss them aside. ’cause a lot of these guys are GOOD GUYS. They’re even COOL in their little lan party social circles, when they’re super comfortable around their best buds they can be funny and cool. But put them outside of that perfect private little situation they have confidence in and they clam up and shut down and have no idea what to do and don’t know there’s anything they CAN do.


    • YaReally
      on June 25, 2015 at 10:42 am
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      @habd
      “unless you are willing to violate some social conventions and at least ‘talk’ about sexual topics, you’ll never get out of the ljbf zone…where these guys always get stuck…”

      Exactly. And like I say, it’s great to go lift weights. But that’s not going to fix your fundamental reluctance to do the things that build attraction even IF girls are feeling up your biceps. “girl showing interest” does not automatically equal “you will get laid” Ask any guy standing outside a nightclub at 2am frustrated that he’s going home alone how that shit’s working out for him.

      I say hyperfocus on game for a year or two in your early 20s when you’re in the PERFECT environment to do it (aka college where you have tons of girls around and plenty of peers who go out to the bar). Throw in a workout here and there to avoid becoming grotesque but focus more on game and nail that skillset down by 25-28 (sooner if you’re starting out as a decently social guy, 28 would be more for the super hard cases), then focus on getting jacked if you want.

      If you show me:

      1) a guy who focuses on the gym through his 20s with blue pill mindsets who’s trying to learn game at 30+ when his peers are settling down and he feels like the old guy in the bar (hell ask the 40yo’s trying to learn game how they feel having to try to learn it at that age) etc.

      and 2) a guy who’s learned game through his 20s and starts focusing hardcore on the gym at 30+

      My money will be on the 2nd guy every time in terms of overall life satisfaction and his memories of adventures and good times and hot girls sucking his dick.

      Again, a mix of both is best, but again, most guys don’t have the free time or dedication to balance both and use the gym as an excuse to avoid walking around striking up conversations on a Tuesday night for 4 hours after their 9-5 and an hour at the gym.


    • YaReally
      on June 26, 2015 at 3:02 pm
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      @having a bad day
      “now that i think about it, that’s probably a good way to pitch it to these hard cases. what would these guys do when they find a cool product (that they naturally love) that just happens to have a faulty/absolutely backwards instruction manual?…they would start a website/blog/forum to talk about the cool product and share their stories…try out different strategies wrt the product to see what happens when you do [abc] with the product…share those experiences with others to compare notes and deconstruct the programming/manual, so they get a better, more fulfilling experience with that product…then they develop some mastery of the product and they can start to do some cool and amazing shit with the product…in a consistent way…every time…stuff others would never even believe possible bc those others are still stuck with the ‘official’ manual…and then they would help newby’s who have suddenly discover the product for themselves and have also found that the manual is wrong…then those newby’s that actually try out those new improved manual instructions repeat those same cool and amazing things with the product…rinse and repeat…”

      Yup. This is how PUA formed.

      People will accept, admire, and hold up that process as brilliant when it’s any other subject. Figuring out what exercises target what muscles the best to achieve different goals/results. Figuring out what diet helps you achieve weight loss or bulking goals. Figuring out how best to fight and defend yourself by throwing guys into MMA octagons. Figuring out to most optimal efficient way to do and understand and master anything from painting to computer shit to playing a guitar to proving scientific hypotheses about the world, to building space shuttles to running a business to mastering a sport that millions of people will watch and cheer for when you win the olympics…

      Society LOVES it and embrace it when it’s any of THOSE subjects.

      …but when it’s “men can improve their lives and no longer be slaves/tools of society who only exist to serve others, and can get the things they want like sex and love”? BURN THAT SHIT TO THE GROUND!! MISOGYNY!! MANIPULATION!! IT DOESN’T WORK IT ONLY WORKS ON SLUTS FUCK YOU RED PILL FUZZY HAT LOSERS NO ONE NEEDS THIS SHIT JUST BE COOL MAN DONT TRY SO HARD JUST DO WHAT SOCIETY WANTS QUIT THINKING FOR YOURSELF YOURE ALL CREEPY WEIRDOS FUCK YOU YOU MISERABLE SCUMBAGS

      …funny how that works. I wonder why they’re so protective of this area. It’s almost like if men swallow the red pill they’ll realize society doesn’t have their personal best interests at heart and maybe the plan we’ve been given isn’t one we should settle for.

      It’s almost like men across the world waking up to this reality would create a ripple effect so earth-shattering for society that it’s the one area where they have to pull out every stop they can think of to keep men in the dark and convince us to follow the path they’ve laid out.


  • YaReally
    on June 24, 2015 at 12:26 pm
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    replies in mod lol


    • YaReally
      on June 24, 2015 at 5:13 pm
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      It’s for the lurkers. I don’t generally expect to convince the people I’m replying to (tho I’m always open for discussion). But there are guys lurking who read that stuff and go “ya, that aligns with how I want to think about the world even though I have no real experience because I’m sitting here reading these sites instead of out approaching hot girls” and end up with stunted growth (metaphorically) because people gave them the excuse that made them feel comfortable doubling-down on their socially conditioned already inaccurate belief system.


    • YaReally
      on June 25, 2015 at 8:09 am
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      @Pasquale

      30s. And I do it just to bug you. Specifically YOU. Every time I type lol I think “boy this is going to drive that Pasquale guy nuts” and cackle to myself before I go crack open another bag of Doritos and chug a Mountain Dew and play Warcraft while I think of my next bunch of pickup lies to write about for eProps, and afterward I bang my blow-up doll that looks like your mom so I can post my new Field Report.

      Lol



Game In The Ego Validation Age

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via Heartiste

YaReally
on June 22, 2015 at 5:33 pm
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Seriously. That PIMP vid by Julien that I linked is the answer to this article’s question. I’m not exaggerating.

Culum’s description is basically it but there’s a fuckload of other dynamics involved when you do it:

– self-amusement (you’re not bothering to let her defend herself you’re just moving on on your terms instead of letting her lead the direction of the conversation. A lower value guy lets her lead the convo cuz he wants her to have fun and talk about eat she wants to. A high value guy will do that with someone who’s EARNED it but some bar chick hasn’t earned shit just cause she threw on heels and a push-up bra which is crazy because every other guy lets her lead)

– neg theory (standard shit, it’s not that it necessarily knocks her off her pedestal (negative mindset that assumes you’re starting out lower value than her) it’s demonstrating that she doesn’t impress you by default which implies you’ve had girls at least as hot or hotter than her before because you aren’t dying of thirst like other guys she interacts with and the 10 guys messaging her on tinder and the 100 dudes Liking her selfie etc)

– abundance (how come you’re fucking around aren’t you scared of losing her why aren’t you trying to impress her like these other guys??)

– push/pull and cat string theory (dangling winning your interest just out of reach, letting her pass then failing her etc etc)

– that “he has the wrong impression of me I have to correct” him itch she needs to scratch but you stack it repeatedly so that she has 10 itches (lol) and eventually has to grab you. Imagine how it feels when someone mis-states your view on a subject or quotes you wrong in a way that makes you look bad or mid-represents your views. Instinctively you NEED to correct them. You’ll even do it politely and let then finish and then say “for the record what I ACTUALLY meant was–“. Now imagine before you can get that sentence out they’re already misrepresenting something ELSE about you. And again and again and again. Eventually you grab them and go NO SHUT UP FOR A SECOND LISTEN!!!!! and try to correct it all. It doesn’t matter who that person is and you kind of hate them a little…but you’re emotionally reacting to them. In that moment no one else exists they take over your full attention until it’s resolved.

– then when that above dynamic plays out and they’re fully qualifying themselves to you, you just interrupt and do like Julien where he’s like “you don’t have to try so hard to impress me, it’s fine I already LIKE you. Relax I LIKE you.” and she’s like “wait wut??” because it’s like she was struggling and then someone just dropped the prize in her lap because of some one thing she did and she’s confused and like oh good I mean wtf just happened??? But you’ve given her an emotional rollercoaster ride that the other guy who was talking to her and the guys on tinder etc have no idea how to make her feel

– remember ppl bond thru sharing emotional experiences. If we can’t talk but we survive on an island after a plane crash together we will be brothers for life when we get back to civilization. So it doesn’t matter that none of what you did made sense logically. You could make it as ridiculous as possible. “Oh you don’t like older men (loud) wow why do you hate old disabled people? (to the ppl beside you) This girl pushed an old disabled man down the stairs how fucked up is that.” All that matters is that she feels an emotional rollercoaster with you.

– investment. A prize you don’t have to work for isn’t worth much. The more you invest to get something the more you value it. The harder it is for her to get you to like her, the more value your attention must be worth. Chick logic. “If I’m investing so much effort to qualify myself to him so he views me right, then he must be high value because I wouldn’t qualify myself to a low value man”. When Julien gets into his “get on your knees and beg me for my number” stuff (and like his infield clip in that vid where he tells the girl she thinks he’s just like any other guy and makes her grab him and tell him she likes him and makes her say what she likes about him etc) he making them invest hardcore. Because they invest so much, they need closure. ie – if you beg a girl to take your number, she’s not going to give a shit when you txt. But if you make HER beg, and in juliens case basically debase herself for your approval and drive her thru enough qualifying and investing she will NEED to fuck you to justify all that investment…because if she invests all that and debases herself for you then DOESNT get the lay, I mean, then she was just dumb and embarrassed herself. But if she fucks you then it was all a brilliant plan on her part. At least that’s her logic lol

There’s a bunch of other dynamics it demonstrates but you guys can figure it out, it’s not really important, just go DO it and see what happens.

The reason this is built for modern girls is that every chick is getting retarded validation left and right. Even a 4 with good MySpace angles can have guys on Instagram begging for her attention. And not just loser chode guys but fucking jacked good looking rich dudes, begging to date them or fly them to Italy and buy them shit. Instagram Facebook twitter tinder hotornot okcupid POF and those are just services that’s not wen counting her default huge mass of orbiters she’s collected over the years that text her, like it’s fucking retarded.

Now when you talk to her, you make a great impression right? She’s all into you and you’re like oh I have that thing in the morning I can’t bang her tonight. You know what I’ll do? I’ll get her number. I’ll get a number close. She’s REALLY into me so it’ll be solid. Maybe she even txts you back that night!! ROCK SOLID! This shit is in the bag right??

But a couple days later she stops txting back or goes to one word replies or is flaking on meeting up and says she’s busy.

Wtf just happened????????

See in the early 2000s and before, when mystery was figuring this shit out, the world was different. He had the girl’s full attention, she had no cell phone, if her friend went to the other side of the bar she was isolated with him and if he got her number on a scrap of paper it was home number and there was no called ID etc so she would just get a random number showing up if that…so you don’t just hand that number out. It’s her parents number too since she lives at home. And when she left the bar all she had to do was think about him and this number she gave out. Over the next week she might meet a new boy at school but she kind of already knows everyone and she has this exciting new guy calling her. And he plays some games, he doesn’t call too soon, when txting came out he made sure to take a while to reply back to show how busy he is

And that worked fucking GREAT. Back then.

Now when the girl is IN the bar her phone is like up like a goddamn Xmas tree. When she gets your txt to save your name there are a dozen other txts on her screen. From orbiters to new chiseled jaw chads on tinder and Instagram to drama from her girls to her ex txting her trying to get back together etc etc all sorts of stimulus and shit to captivate her. When 2am comes around in come all the drunk txts from guys and girls too. The next day the hangover texts. Then she updates her Facebook an Instagram about the weekend and gets another flood of likes and messages and txts, James Franco txted her asking her to come to his hotel room, some Saudi Prince with a Ferrari in his pic offered her $10,000 to fly to Dubai, etc etc etc

And that’s just the 4-8s…you get into 9 and 10 territory esp the social girls who know how to flaunt their looks and like work in the nightlife industry as shooter girls and bartenders and models and shit?

You think your aloof “hey” txts spread out days apart to not seem needy are even on her fucking radar?

It’s not that you aren’t awesome. You were great you had attraction. But what happened was you were a $10,000 bill and she won the lottery right after meeting you. You’re cool it would be nice to have $10,000 but if every time you look at your phone you make $10,000, that $10,000 isn’t that big a deal anymore. You aren’t waiting on the edge of your seat for it.

Mystery figured out how to make himself a $10,000 bill. And that was enough in the early 2000s and before, because the girls were surrounded by $100 guys at best and only a handful.

But it’s not enough anymore. You need to make a fucking IMPACT.

Mystery Method had some of that but it was too light and reserved for certain girls who saw themselves as super high value. Now they ALL do even the ugly girls and Julien’s devalidation stacking takes that shit and amplifies it to another level. To the point where you DO stand out from other guys because you are the one guy who can give her insane emotional impact.

I have this all broken down into an actual repeatable set of steps in traditional MM fashion but I’m still testing some shit out to make sure it’s consistent and that I can fully explain how to apply it in a step by step way. Will post it up when I do.

Not kidding tho, watch the PIMP vids on YouTube that I link and that mystery section I link and start figuring out how to apply it. This is literally the magic formula to get around this ADD social media validation-fest.

This is why I make fun of guys and their shitty game when they complain that girls go for looks. They go for looks because you’re boring. You’re either freestyling your game or spam approaching that works on 6s and crossing your fingers it’ll work on 8-10s now and then (no consistency), or you’re running old outdated James Bond or early structured game that just doesn’t have the emotional impact to ignore the Chad thubdercocks for you. You can still be really high value to her, but you are competing with a lot of other shit now so you have to step your emotional impact up.

No one goes to a theater to watch 2 hours of happy people being happy. They go to feel a rollercoaster of emotions good and bad. It makes them feel alive.



YaReally
on June 22, 2015 at 5:34 pm
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In-depth response in mod.

I saved this one this time. Suck my nuts, auto-mod.



stuttie
on June 23, 2015 at 1:53 am
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@CH – Great stuff love your work.

@ YaReally

Re the Investment Stage: “But if you make HER beg, and in juliens case basically debase herself for your approval and drive her thru enough qualifying and investing she will NEED to fuck you to justify all that investment…because if she invests all that and debases herself for you then DOESNT get the lay, I mean, then she was just dumb and embarrassed herself. But if she fucks you then it was all a brilliant plan on her part. At least that’s her logic lol”

This reminds me of one of Robert Cialdini’s Six Principles of Influence;

Commitment (and Consistency)

Cialdini says that we have a deep desire to be consistent. For this reason, once we’ve committed ((invested)) to something, we’re then more inclined to go through with it.

Interesting.


  • YaReally
    on June 23, 2015 at 1:13 pm
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    @stuttie
    A lot of game principles involve that.

    Classic oldschool PUA move is that if you tell a group of bitchy looking girls “you girls are so friendly” (not in a sarcastic way, in a way that’s oblivious to their bitchiness), they’ll often instinctively act friendlier to be consistent with the label you gave them, especially if you mention how you were talking to some other girls who were super bitchy.

    Time-bridging is another one. Setting up a date when you get the number, she’s more likely to go thru with it than if you don’t make plans when you get the number.

    To solidify a #-close, tell her how she has to answer the phone (tell her she has to be super excited and make her act out how she’d answer the phone for you right there in the bar), call her while you’re standing in front of her and have a conversation right there in the bar and tell her nope wasn’t good enough try again, etc. and then when you actually do call her she’s more inclined to try to be consistent.

    Like I say, PUA isn’t theory, it’s backwards engineered. So you’ll find a lot of overlap in other areas like sales and giving speeches and media training etc. These little things seem like a lot to take in, but they’re the difference between consistent results winning over specific girls you choose, and just playing a numbers game where you throw yourself in there until some girl chooses you.



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YaReally, Sentient, HABD, Wala et al

Short vignette. HB8 I banged a few weeks ago (and posted about it). Different city but we still text and she sends naked pics etc.

Anyway – just for fun I randomly texted her like “Hey, how tall are you?”. She says “5’6 – why do you want to know?”

And I just refused to tell her all evening and just kept joking around and messing with her.

It’s amazing – she just HAD to know..like she was a cat who HAD to get that string being yanked just out of her reach. She kept initiating texts all evening.

I’ve banged her already but this is true for anyone I think. Fascinating.


  • walawala
    on June 21, 2015 at 4:50 pm
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    @Culum some of these girls are bored and start wondering, it’s like a kitten with a ball of string.

    I’m tall so when I ask “how tall are you?” they usually reply below 5’5″—to which I reply: “I can pick you up like a kitten” which always gets them curious about that imagery.


    • YaReally
      on June 21, 2015 at 7:16 pm
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      ” Even my best stories barely got a mild emotional response – these are GOOD stories and I have a lot of practice. It was just flat. What do you do with these girls?”

      Stack disqualifiers lol make fun of her basically. If she isn’t interested in your stories about yoursef then turn the tables and put the spotlight on her instead and put her on the defensive because she likes that more than she likes yapping about her own stories. Drop the stories and go for her emotional jugular and get her qualifying herself and thinking you’re a bit of an asshole but then a nice guy but then an asshole etc etc giving her an emotional rollercoaster ride.

      Think of it like you’re entertaining a 5yo with a book but they’re not paying attention or don’t seem that into it. Instead of sticking with the book and it might be a great book that most kids love, calibrate to this kid and throw on an exciting movie instead. Or play a game with them. Engage them on a different level.


    • YaReally
      on June 21, 2015 at 7:35 pm
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      ““how tall are you?” they usually reply below 5’5″—to which I reply: “I can pick you up like a kitten” which always gets them curious about that imagery.”

      This is good. But if you wanted to supercharge it, throw in disqualifiers to add that emotional rollercoaster ride:

      “How tall are you?”
      “5’5″
      “So short. Are you a hobbit?”
      “Lol how tall are you??”
      “Way too tall for you.”
      “Tell me”
      “You’re going to need heels.”
      “Lol I hate wearing heels”
      “Short AND a bad dresser. If you turn out to be bad in bed on top of all that I’m deleting you.”
      “Omg lolololz”

      Basically while what you’re saying is GOOD, and better than what 90% of normal dudes would say because it IS playful and sexual…it could be charged with more rollercoaster/qualifying for more impact/attraction.

      It’s not that you NEED it to get the lay…but it’s fun to play with and gives her an experience that she doesn’t normally get with guys. It’s very rare for her to have to chase or invest or defend herself or impress a guy. Most guys are dying to give the milk away for free as soon as possible.

      Just something to play with. I use a ton of this shit in my game and it’s part of why I get an emotional impact that dwarfs looks.

      Like a lot of the guys who cry that girls just care about looks are running fucking boring game (not even talking about normal chodes I’m talking even experienced dudes studying red pill Manosphere PUA game) that’s primarily based in seeking rapport and comfort ASAP and they don’t do push pull and emotional rollercoaster shit so they’re kind of interesting to the girl but they aren’t CAPTIVATING getting inside her fuckin brain and taking over her RAS. So ya she picks the good looking guy over them, but she’ll pass him up if you make a strong enough emotional impact on her. Pimps and wifebeaters aren’t all 6’4″ 6-packed rich jocks. Most of them are pieces of shit but they have more emotional impact on the girl and she’s more invested in them and keep coming back for another hit of emotions.

      This is where the armchair warrior says “but yareally that’s just the low self esteem girls who are probably all heroin addicts that wouldn’t work on a high quality girl!!!” and demonstrates that they don’t go out.


    • YaReally
      on June 21, 2015 at 7:36 pm
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      reply in mod


  • YaReally
    on June 21, 2015 at 5:22 pm
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    Try stacking it to increase her obsession, 3:57 in this vid:

    Mystery knew his shit lol

    For anyone who’s checked out the Julien PIMP vids I’ve linked about devalidation stacking, this is the multiple threading concept juliens shit is based on. It’s basically this concept but combined with negs/devalidation. Strongest chick-crack I’ve ever seen, makes the girl obsessed with qualifying herself and correcting your impression of her. Planning to do a write up about it in depth sometime. It’s the first legit evolution of classic MM to adopt it to the social media over-validation/over-entitlement era that I’ve seen.



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Ram32
on June 16, 2015 at 4:58 pm
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The picture looks like the city of Kelowna


  • Snurby
    on June 16, 2015 at 7:08 pm
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    It’s downtown Toronto, Mystery’s home town (as well as my own).


    • YaReally
      on June 19, 2015 at 2:42 am
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      Remember when you read the Manosphere and RVF members being whiny-ass crybabies about “Toronto girls are all feminist shallow bitches” and “Toronto is the worst city in the world to get laid it’s impossible unless you have money and power” and wah wah wah…Toronto is where most of the early PUAs cut their teeth learning game. Mystery, Tyler, Style, Cajun, those guys were running sober game in nightclubs figuring out how to get those chicks. RSD still does regular bootcamps in Toronto. And DC, and europe and all those places that guys with weak game cry on forums about being impossible to game in.

      If you’re getting rejected by girls in Toronto and you’re getting into discussions about feminism with chicks at the bar and the girls are passing you up for the rich dude beside you, hint: it’s not that the girls are hard to get, it’s that your game needs work. And your game won’t improve as long as you’re clutching to the belief that it’s the women’s fault, not yours, that you can’t pull them. Accept that your game is shit and work on improving it and figuring out and overcoming all your sticking points like the oldschool guys did. Quit this passive “I’m going to go out and hang out at the bar posting up against the bar or a pillar drunk and doing a couple weak approaches where I don’t actually apply any real game because I’m too lazy to put any effort in or risk rejections to sharpen a new aspect of game or leave my comfort zone” Get your elbows in the mud and step up.



afica
on June 16, 2015 at 6:11 pm
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This is how I picture Yareally, but shorter. Bland style, blending into the crowd nicely without any notice; black tee, blue pants, black shoes(possible white socks).

I can just imagine a shorter version of mystery(aka YaReally) walking by me without him even pinging on my social radar and not even giving a second thought or glace in his spiritual direction.

Then again, both men know more about life then I ever will and have honed their social skills to the *nth degree. I struggle with things they have written out and I am forever greatful

But don’t take this as criticism of YaReally. I browse his archives daily, habitually, and obsessively. I have on a white board in my room drawn in marker saying “Just do it!!!!” but it really should say “read more Yareally you piece of shit and stop playing video games”

I zoomed in on the shirt and it looks like it says “sinner” — master of the dark artz


  • YaReally
    on June 19, 2015 at 2:29 am
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    @afica
    “This is how I picture Yareally, but shorter. Bland style, blending into the crowd nicely without any notice; black tee, blue pants, black shoes(possible white socks).”

    lol pretty much. I don’t peacock. People harp on Mystery’s fuzzy hat shit but the guy can run the same game he runs with or without his peacocking.

    Right before this clip, he takes off his fuzzy hat and necklaces and shit so he’s going in just dressed like a normal dude. Look at 2:07-2:20 in that clip, who’s the highest value guy in the room as far as anyone looking in that direction is concerned?:

    But you get a lot more exposure in terms of marketing if you look like a freakshow. All his fuzzy hat stuff does is put him on the radar of the hotter girls who are confident enough to shit-test him about it because they peacock themselves (and end up in his spider-web of game).

    Peacocking is just one method of DHV’ing. When you understand what the PURPOSE of peacocking is (instigating shit-tests that you know passing will raise your value, and building social proof in the room etc.), and why DHV’ing is important and where in an interaction you want to do it (hint: read Mystery Method, focus on A1 (DHV) until you get A2, if you aren’t getting A2, stay in A1 and keep DHV’ing in a milion different ways until you get A2. People forget this and try to steamroll their way into A3 or C1 and end up with massive inconsistency), you understand that you can use other methods to build that same value. You can use other ways to instigate shit-tests, you can use other ways to build social proof, etc. It’s just one of many tools.

    Also Mystery figured this shit out by trial and error while SOBER. Fucking amazing brain in that head of his. Tyler, Julien, bunch of other dudes, they’re walking up on hotties and pulling off makeouts and pulls stone cold sober. A lot of the guys talking smack are the same guys downing half a bottle of Jack pre-drinking before heading off to the bar to get shitfaced as they passively wait for whatever 6s approach them every weekend as part of their “sick game”.

    “I can just imagine a shorter version of mystery(aka YaReally) walking by me without him even pinging on my social radar and not even giving a second thought or glace in his spiritual direction.”

    You would never notice me or know that I was out drinking with you lol I don’t talk PUA with normal dudes (tho I’ll drop some advice if they seem to be figuring it out themselves and just need a little nudge toward putting the puzzle pieces together). At best if you spent a lot of time out with me you’d think “man, it’s weird that girls like him, I don’t get it he doesn’t seem to have anything going for him and he just acts like an asshole but they love it??” I look like a generic average white dude.

    Looking average causes 1) a bigger “ok I have to know who this guy IS, why is he so confident??” value-boost to girls when I talk to them (VS being a tall jacked good-looking dude in a suit where they’d EXPECT me to be confident), and 2) more dudes thinking I’m an easy AMOG target and walking into the ring with their hands down expecting “I’m better looking than that guy” to make the girl switch to them lol Part of why I understand AMOG dynamics is that I had to deal with so goddamn much of it.

    “Then again, both men know more about life then I ever will and have honed their social skills to the *nth degree. I struggle with things they have written out and I am forever greatful ”

    Glad it’s helped. The only difference between us is that I decided to replace passive hobbies like gaming and went out more to go play a way more fun videogame called cold approach pickup lol Pickup is really just a videogame. You respawn after every set, you get the same adrenaline highs when you pull off a successful play, you level up and upgrade as you master the tools and you approach hotter and hotter bosses.

    Think of pickup like this: No one has to CONVINCE you to play a videogame. You might lose at the game. If you play Street Fighter, there’s a good chance you’re gonna lose esp against a tough opponent. But do you just play once and then never play again? No way, you’re always up for playing, because the act of playing ITSELF is the fun part. The winning/losing doesn’t really matter, you know you’ll play again and you’ll play other opponents, and you’ll have an adrenaline rush of excitement and fun as you play and you’ll learn and sharpen your skills even if you get your ass kicked at first.

    Pickup is exactly the same. Try to see the parallels and it might not be as scary to get out there and approach some hotties.



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Culum Struan
on June 13, 2015 at 6:27 am
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PSA: A lot of longer posts have come out of mod in the last day or so – including from weeks ago – eg, a couple of mine from the Eye Contact post a couple of weeks ago.

If there are any longer posts, it’s a good idea to direct people to them here so that they don’t get missed.


  • YaReally
    on June 13, 2015 at 5:52 pm
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    “If there are any longer posts, it’s a good idea to direct people to them here so that they don’t get missed.”

    Too much work. I’ve lost track of all my posts that are stuck in mod forever. They shouldn’t be in mod that long in the first place.



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YaReally
on June 3rd, 2015 at 7:16 pm
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“she’d decided to follow the making up for missing out dynamic. She ended up cheating on him and then doing her version of the Wild Oats Project.”

Like I talk about all over my archives:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/9/#comment-heartiste-618149

Every chick will cheat given the right circumstances. Chicks with minimal experience (esp virgins dating their high-school boyfriends) are probably some of the easiest, their curiousity does half the work themselves:

From my archives:

““Oh wow you’ve only been with one guy? That’s really impressive, most girls have to sleep with a few guys before they figure out what they really like in be. You’re so lucky that the first guy you slept with is perfect in bed. Oh? It’s not perfect? Well I’m sure he’s trying, I mean you guys have role played right? No? Well he lets you have toys doesn’t he? Oh he’s jealous of those? Huh…I don’t know, I mean personally I think we should all explore our sexual sides before we commit to someone so that we know that person is the right one for us. I don’t mean you and I, I’m totally not the kind of guy you’d want to sleep with…you saw those other girls that i was kissing, I’m not the commitment type and you’d never hear from me again after tonight, even your friends wouldn’t know about us playing around you wouldn’t want to be stuck with a big secret like that.”

And then I fuck her. And she never tells you. And you continue to think your Madonna isn’t like “those whores” while I show the naked pics she sent me to my buddies.”

The only way you’re going to keep your girl from triggering her Hypergamy is:

1) lock her in the cellar once you meet her. In the old days we weren’t as connected so they didn’t have celebrities tweeting them and liking their Instagram pics and shit. They were choosing from a bunch of losers and maybe a handful of legit money dudes in their little town, so it wasn’t worth cheating esp with the shame/etc. stakes much higher with religion everywhere. They weren’t wired differently, they just had to choose between a 2 day old sandwich or cheating with cold soup…they didn’t have delicious steak dinners txting them, they didn’t have shit like Tinder where they have a literal buffet of various foods to swipe through. This method will work, but you’ll find it difficult to execute in 2015 because it’s basically abusive and retarded and based in insecurity and scarcity. Religion is toast now, even a girl who’s “religious” is still taking in 24/7 “eat pray love, casual sex is fun, go find yourself grrrl” messages from every form of media and technology. You MIGHT be able to find some unicorn in like, some Amish cult where they aren’t allowed to use technology but you’ll complain that she’s a boring lay (no shit where did you expect her to learn to fuck from) and she’ll still cheat on you if you take her out of that cult and into a normal city with other men who you view yourself lower than.

So there’s the strategy for the chodes in the audience who want to spend their lives terrified that their girl might look at another man: Go join an Amish cult and then lock an ugly girl in the cellar. CONGRATULATIONS YOU BEAT HYPERGAMY!!!

2) always trigger her hypergamy so that to HER, regardless of your objective value by society’s standards or by anyone else’s opinion, even your own, to HER you are the highest value man around. If SHE views you as the steak dinner and everyone else as cold leftover sandwiches, she’s not going to cheat with them. These are the only chicks that won’t eventually crack, because why would they?

3) to perform number 2, understand WHAT triggers hypergamy aka what “high value” to her IS. Hint, it’s not your beta bucks or your 6-pack. It’s the emotions you make her feel. Understand that, fully, quit clinging to society’s bullshit value system, give her the emotions (the highs AND the lows, no one goes to a movie that doesn’t have conflict in it, we watch movies that push us through a range of emotions because we need to feel that, the horror movie industry is BASED around people WANTING to feel bad emotions and PAYING to…just make sure you give her bad AND good emotions and calibrate it to what she needs). Do that, and you’ll trigger her hypergamy and you can send her into a room of high-value dudes and she won’t fuck them even if the opportunity is there. Because relative to YOU, they aren’t high-value even if relative to the average dude in society they’re super high-value.

A slutty slut slut who lands a guy who’s legit high-value (to HER…so not her landing some rich good looking dude that you have a fucking man-boner over, that guy can be a chode in his relationship and not be giving her the emotions and shit she actually needs and not be as high-value to her as the poor starving moody artist who slaps her around, it depends entirely on what she responds to) and knows he’ll leave her if she cheats on him will be a good girl girlfriend and not cheat. A pristine virgin who lands a guy who’s low value or loses his value and then is placed in a situation where she’s surrounded by high-value money dudes and those guys can create a situation (aka they have actual game, not just Natural alpha confidence) where she won’t be judged and there won’t be consequences etc., she’ll gangbang them.

All this “but if you get a virgin then you’re playing the odds” and “studies show that if a girl sucks 2.4 dicks then her ability to commit % decreases by 0.002 jigawatts” shit is just nerds mentally masturbating. They don’t even understand what they’re trying to analyse because they don’t even understand how attraction works.

All you have to do is understand what makes a guy attractive/high-value, accept Hypergamy completely, divorce yourself from society’s bullshit value system, have the abundance mentality to be able to walk away from a chick so she knows she’ll lose you if she fucks up, and fix your inner mental loops that tell you George Clooney is somehow higher-value than you.

I actually credit Rollo huge on Hypergamy. In the PUA community we talk about being high-value but we don’t really drill down to understand it because, well, no one really cares, it’s like figuring out how the exact mechanics of breathing air works. It’s interesting to know but telling people “just make sure you breathe as you jog” is enough to teach someone how to jog. The PUA community STILL doesn’t really even use the word (most of them don’t know or care about the manosphere, even Rollo’s stuff) but I like to learn from multiple sources so I found Rollo and Hypergamy was a huge puzzle piece to me that cleared up a lot of shit. Understanding and embracing (and capitalizing on) Hypergamy fully has been one of the biggest keys of my game the last few years.

@droidz @thedeti

Never seen someone invest so much time in something so retarded lol thedeti nailed it. Your theory is stupid and doesn’t hold up in the real world. Go peddle it somewhere else…Roosh likes making up theories based on bullshit, try his forum.

@insanity

Pics or GTFO. Preferably topless. Unless you’re ugly. And if you’re ugly why would anyone care what you think or what choices you’ve made or what you think you feel? No one here is trying to fuck ugly chicks.


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YaReally
on June 3rd, 2015 at 7:35 pm
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@Sun
lol I was going to add that but I figured the crowd here was too old to get it.

@Roosh

lol I stand by my comment that I hope he has someone close to him who’s sane and can talk him down off the ledge ’cause he’s heading into crazy land and his followers are encouraging it.

I skimmed bits of his article but I couldn’t read the whole thing. All it is to me is the same as a fat chick who’s trying to rationalize that she’s just “different” and THAT’S why she doesn’t have the boyfriend she wants instead of accepting responsibility for her bad life choices and lack of foresight.

Roosh didn’t do all the internal work that he needed to do so he’s trying to rationalize that instead of admitting failure.

Tyler from RSD is the same age as him and he’s loving life (he just put up a 2+ hour video of him fucking around yapping about all sorts of shit, dude is full of energy of love for life and teaching etc.), enjoying chicks, has 2 kids so he’s already satisfied reproducing, and he’s about to try expanding his multi-million dollar company into other areas like self-help (whether that’ll pan out or not remains to be seen but the point is that he still has goals and ambitions).

Roosh has just kind of passively drifted through life. He’s like the guy who half-asses his work wondering why he’s not a millionaire at 35. It’s because you didn’t do the shit you needed to do to GET there, dumbass, it’s not that people don’t want to be millionaires anymore.

Just the same “obesity is the new norm” rationalization for failure that fat chicks use.

He could fix his shit if he worked on his internal game (hell, take an RSD bootcamp lol), but he won’t because he has his little hugbox to cheer him on toward the edge.

I’ve never been a big fan of Roosh but at this point I’ll be very surprised if his story doesn’t end as a pretty depressing warning down the road.


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YaReally
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@Will
“you could see this if someone is in their 40s and they work as a front desk person for a doctor. Who wins with hypergamy in that environment….the doctor.”

How come the wife of the rich millionaire fucks the penniless poolboy? How come the wife of that doctor fucks the asshole she works with? How come the girlfriend of a AAA celeb cheats on him with some unknown dude? How come girls will fuck the wifebeater poor dude who slaps them around, and will choose him over the BB Nice Guy orbiter? Why do housewives fuck the TV repair guy?

Lots of girls will fuck Brad Pitt. But lots of girls are legitimately not attracted to him and would fuck Zack Galfanakas over him. Why? Are they all lying, can Brad Pitt have literally every single girl in the entire world if he wants? There are no girls who think he’s too old, too thin, too pretty, too blonde, too tall/short, too obnoxious, too easy-going, too blue eyed instead of brown eyed, too bad an actor, thinks acting is a silly job, isn’t more attracted to a bearded guy, or a bulkier guy, or a guy with a manly job, etc. etc.? NO girl will turn down Brad Pitt?

“Doctor > desk guy” just doesn’t hold up in the real world. There are way more factors involved and very few of them are actually based on external attributes except in DUDE’S heads who are still trapped in social conditioning and feel inadequete when they see Brad Pitt and feel ashamed of their desk job and feel like the doctor they work for is higher value than them.


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@Glenn
“I’m terrified of having my own purposes. I don’t really trust or even admire myself.”

How COULD you? You’ve just realized that your self has been wrong about 90% of the shit it was adamantly sure it was right about. How can you trust that if you let your self choose a purpose that it won’t choose wrong again?

I’m not stressing your situ (I have zero worries you’ll commit suicide), or worried about “your repressed anger issues” (lol) or giving you a ton of praise because what you’re going thru is perfectly natural. There’s no need to deal with this in any way except how you are dealing with it: asking questions and thinking and reflecting. Once you’ve sorted a lot of that out, and there’s a lot to sort, you’ll level out and start looking for a self-generated purpose. Doesn’t matter that you’re 52, if you eat right and exercise/lift you could be healthy and in control of your faculties for another 20 years. That’s plenty of time to do shit and fix shit and still end up with grandkids who admire you and a reflection in the mirror that doesn’t repulse you.

@Will
“@yareally, you’re making your claims around the viewpoint that girls act on primal impulse.”

No I’m making my claims around the direct observation in-field that girls act on primal impulse and if they hold back it takes very little minimal effort/nudging to circumvent that and they will happily circumvent it to follow their primal impulses and then backwards rationalize why it was okay to do so.

“But so do men, they have this too.”

Irrelevant. Men have to learn to control their impulses because if they don’t someone will beat the shit out of them or they’ll end up homeless or in jail. Part of why you see a 5’2″ 70lbs drunk girl trying to hit a 6’4″ 300lbs bouncer with her shoes is that consequences have been removed from women and following their primal urges, id, feels, whatever you want to call it, is encouraged and rewarded. They don’t have real impulse control because there’s no reason to and in a lot of cases they get more reward for NOT controlling it. Whereas men get punished.

“That’s like saying to girls–don’t trust any man out there b/c as soon as he sees a young hot girl he’s gonna subconsciously court her then try to sleep with her”

That would imply that when a smokin hot 10 walks in the room, men with wives don’t notice her. We know that’s not true. He may not approach and try to fuck her because he doesn’t have game or because it’s not worth the potential negative consequences (ie – Tiger Woods’ divorce or simply his blue pill scarcity conditioning of “I can only have one girl at a time so if I go for that one then I’ll lose this one”) but those are decisions based on either lack of ability or fear of consequences (if you could guarantee a guy that he can have hot high-quality college babes who won’t cause him any drama come fuck him and his wife whenever he wants and his wife will love it and encourage it especially as she gets old and loses her looks and the young college hotties won’t ask for anything and will leave the second he snaps his fingers no questions asked and he won’t have to game any of them they just magically appear at his door when he wants, every guy would take that deal).

The two aren’t equivalent because women have no lack of ability when it comes to fucking guys since they don’t need to work for it, and they have no fear of consequences because they can do whatever they want and society will celebrate them. The only time they have to work is for a high-value guy and the only time they fear consequences is when they know a high-value guy will leave them if they fuck up. What you’re describing is just talking theory and ideal/wishful thinking.

“but we both know that there are high smv alpha guys that are (somewhat) happy and satisfied for the most part with their chick and won’t give in to this urge. …its part of morals I guess.”

Like I said a woman who’s Hypergamy is triggered by her man won’t cheat. It’s nothing to do with morals that’s you trying to fit your own world view and labels on instinctive behavior so you can classify some girls as moral and some as immoral which is just the usual Madonna/whore complex that guys still holding onto hope that unicorns exist have.

“And what you’re doing is totally dismissing that girls have morals at all whatsoever. Which is fine. But I’m not sure I completely agree with that…”

So don’t agree. But what I’m saying holds up in-field. What you’re saying is just wishful thinking and clinging by your fingertips that some girls are NAWALT unicorns because it’s scary to think that they don’t exist and you will never have one.

“I’m saying sure pool boy and desk boy can do these things, but that isn’t the 100% alpha thing in the society we live in so it may be doomed for long term failure.”

Irrelevant. A girl doesn’t care what society’s (or your) definition of alpha is. She cares what makes her pussy tingle. Society can tell her that a short balding ginger or a man who’s banned from 2 countries and hated worldwide are losers but they know how to make her tingle so she dismisses all logic and follows her feels and then rationalizes it after.

“You do live in this society right? So it probably applies to you what is considered and isn’t considered alpha.”

Like the saying goes: I don’t do shit because doing it is alpha. The shit I do is alpha because I do it.

“Idk I’m just writing thoughts.”

It’s fine to ask questions but all the answers are out in the field. This isn’t waxing philosophical theory this is backwards engineering observable behavior.

“It’s not like men are the only ones brainwashed by society. Girls are too…so they might be saying “we can’t fuck the pool boy he’s not famous” etc.”

Feminism has brainwashed a ton of women. And absent anything but a resume or Internet dating profile that shows pics and lists accomplishments, a woman will follow that. But at the end of the day if the guy understands game and knows how to trigger those tingles she will toss aside her brainwashing and rationalize it so that she’s not “the bad guy” (by blaming the guy, which is part of PUA we purposely tell her it’s us being the bad influence so they can blame us instead of taking responsibility for fucking us, or by turning whatever they’re doing into “empowerment” instead of “a stupid long-term decision”)

“This is just speculation, but isn’t what you are doing/saying exactly what the feminists and fatties are saying? Just in guy terms….feminists: “you CAN be fat and short-haired…and be happy you just have to love yourself” guys: “you have to change your social wiring and accept that you can be low on the totem pole and still pull hot chicks””

No, because women’s value is in their looks, men’s value is in their behavior. An ugly girl can’t look like a 10. A guy with no job can have the same vibe and mindsets and confidence of a CEO.

“I’M NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS. It’s simply a thought I have regarding your claims/analysis so it’s open for interpretation.”

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“I think it comes down to personal inner satisfaction with yourself. So like if you’re fine with being a front desk guy or pool boy that’s cool.”

You got it. It’s internal, not external. The doctor who hates his job will be lower value to a girl than the janitor who loves his job with an intense passion. That’s not what social conditioning will say but it’s how it works in reality.

“But it’ll probably be a lot harder to be satisfied as an independent at this day and age compared to the other higher status fields.”

I don’t disagree but this is still internal not external. Why will it be hard to be satisfied? Because you don’t have a BMW? Because you don’t have an expensive condo? Because you don’t have an impressive sounding job? What are the purposes of having those things? The validation/approval of others when they see your BMW or arrive at your condo or hear you’re a doctor? Whoops now you’re doing stuff to seek approval instead of doing it because you’re passionate about it.

A doctor who’s passionate about being a doctor is very high value. But most high value careers take a lot of time and energy and mean less time and energy spent learning game and while being a passionate doctor is high PASSIVE value, it gets dwarfed by someone who’s got high ACTIVE value (ie – the guy who learned to pro-actively make girls gina tingle). In the absence of men who know how to make ginas tingle, yes, the passionate doctor is super high value. He just has to hope his girl doesn’t run into a guy who can make her gina tingle more, which comes back to either locking her in the cellar or learning some game so he understands that it’s not being a doctor that makes her gina tingle it’s his passion for what he does that does it.

If you subscribe to society’s notion of what high-value is (materialistic external things) you will never be happy or high-enough-value. Society is designed to always make you feel inadequete. Even if you become a doctor there will be doctors who are cooler richer and better than you that make you feel inadequete because your self-worth is defined by comparing yourself to others.


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“High value guys with game who see the hot young girl CAN secretly court the girl and get away with it (no consequences).”

http://www.celebuzz.com/2014-04-03/did-james-franco-try-to-seduce-a-17-year-old-girl-using-instagram/

Tell these guys about how there are no consequences for a high-value man to fuck around.

“I think it’s similar to girls…I guess what I’m saying is that if a girl is with a guy who triggers her hypergamy THERE WILL BE OTHER HIGH VALUE GUYS AROUND HER but that doesn’t mean she’s gonna act on the impulse.”

Hypergamy is binary. A girl will settle for other high-value guys but she wants the highest-value guy available to her. Hypergamy makes all other guys pale as options in comparison to the guy triggering her Hypergamy.

You’re just clinging to the hope that being a doctor will be the cheat code to prevent your future unicorn from fucking other high-value guys. That belief system will MAKE HER fuck other high-value guys, because she pings off her environment for how to feel and what you feel she feels so when you feel like other high-value guys are options for her, her brain says “well he must know something I don’t, so I guess these ARE high-value options”. It’s the same way social proof works.

“But I think a girl gives tons of red flags and messages before this happens to allow you to fix it. So it’s not some instantaneous thing. Like that hypergamy switch turns off over an extended period of time.”

No. It CAN happen that way, but take some sweet innocent chick from the middle of nowhere and put her on a flight to Vegas and see what kind of “extended period of time” it takes for her to fuck some random high-value charismatic dude. And then still go home to her boyfriend and lie that she didn’t fuck anyone and rationalize that it “didn’t count” because it was Vegas.

“And having a high status career would probably give someone more access and ability enhancement with girls than the front desk or pool boy.”

Yes, having a high-value career will give you more access. But it will also come with downsides and negatives and conseqeunces like the celebs up above found out the hard way.

Go out more, your views are based on mental masturbation and trying to rationalize that as long as you become a doctor everything will be okay and you won’t have to risk your unicorn cheating on you.


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“I guess I’m just also confused with how you know that it’s been internalized.”

You know it’s been internalized when you stop comparing your value to other men. When you’ve internalized it you’ll understand that other men are all, by default, no matter what anyone else thinks, lower value than you. This won’t make sense till you get there because you’re still caught up in society’s socially conditioned value system and figuring out where you “belong” on CH’s +/- charts and needing your value to be “justified” or based on some socially approved construct instead of just internally believing that you have high-value even if you’re penniless and 300lbs with a face like Shrek.

That’s inner game. Here’s Julien on it:


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NSFW link but found this hilarious:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CuteModeSlutMode

On the left is the girl blue pill guys (and guys who still cling by their fingertips to the unicorn NAWALT notion) see. On the right is the girl guys who’ve fully swallowed the red pill see.

For the right guy in the right circumstances your unicorn on the left will act like the girls on the right. And she’ll hide it from you. And she’ll LOVE it.

If you focus on learning to BE the guy who gets the version of her on the right, then other guys will get the version of her on the left.

Would love to set one of those “watch people react to these vids” cams on blue pill guys and show them these pics, covering the right side and asking what they think of the girls and if they’d date them, then revealing the right side and capturing the reaction lol Would be fascinating as fuck.


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“When you watch the Julien video for instance, it seems A) overly simple, B) somewhat magical thinking “If I imagine it, it will be.””

It absolutely seems that way…if you don’t go out and actively apply what he’s saying and see for yourself.

Go out and approach girls for 6 months and tell them you work at Taco Bell. Tell them as if you hate it, tell them as if you’re passionate about it. Tell them you work as a doctor. Tell them you hate it, tell them you’re passionate about it. Go out with ugly clothes and approach them and do what Julien’s saying where you just dismiss them giving you shit about it.

They really DO accept whatever frame you set. The strongest frame always wins, especially with women. If your frame is that you don’t believe you’re low value, they’ll pick up on that and won’t believe it. If you believe that whatever you’re doing, thinking, wearing, being, etc. is awesome, they’ll pick up on that and believe it too. It’s literally how social proof and pre-selection works: women pinging off their environment for how to feel. It’s the same reason why if you say something offensive and apologize and backtrack the girl will get charged up about it and even more offended because you told her it’s something that she SHOULD be offended about, and why if you brush it off as no big deal she’ll lol and back off and it won’t be a big deal to her. This is the exact same concept.

This is all blatantly clear when you go out and cold approach for a few years and purposely test it.

“Being Red Pill, we tend to very much hate magical thinking, for good reason.”

Ya, me too. You know what I like more than magical thinking? Guys actually going out and cold approaching 10+ sets a night for a few years and testing this shit out in-field instead of pontificating what they think would happen. But no one fucking DOES that, they just say “I dunno brah, it seems too simple” and “I dunno if I agree with that, *I* think that women would actually bla bla”

I’m not picking on you specifically, I have no idea who you are. I’m picking on the guys who demand shitloads of evidence for something they would have evidence for if they would just fucking go out and cold approach and push their sets and actively try this shit out and see it for themselves.

If a guy wants proof it’s out there every single day and night, just waiting for him. But too many guys want to sit inside mentally masturbating until they have a 100% guarantee that they can go out and everything will just instantly go perfect and fit into their socially conditioned world-view.

“Now, tell me if I am wrong, but the misinterpretation here is thinking that it is calling into being something as opposed to opening up one’s mind to both opportunities and a different viewpoint. Or to put it another way, you are not calling something into being, but allowing something already there free reign; your potential.”

No idea what you mean lol

“What I get out of it in other words is that you are reversing the polarity on your thinking; seeing what IS possible instead of imagining what is not.”

If that helps, sure lol I’d say that’s two different things. You’re talking about potential whereas I’m talking about what you ARE, here and now. You are good enough AS-IS. Too many guys are caught up in the “if I just get this job or this 6-pack or this money or this new car or bla bla THEN I’ll be high-value” mindset. You can just BE happy, right now, as you are, with the shit you have, and a hot girl will see you as high-value BECAUSE you view yourself as high-value right here right now in this moment.

You don’t need a REASON to be happy. You don’t have to JUSTIFY being confident. You don’t have to fill out a checklist of attributes that allow you to believe you deserve hotties. You’re a man, you have a dick, that’s all you need. Game and PUA will teach you how to express that and efficiently trigger the attraction shit you need to, but the core inner shit is just understanding that you have value by DEFAULT.

Women believe they have value by default. Society taught them that, that’s why they’re entitled as fuck. They are brought up to believe that just being female grants them magic super-powers and value, and society reinforces that. So you put a doctor who’s saved thousands of lives and a dumb coke-addicted hot chick in a slutty dress and heels in the line at a nightclub and the doctor will be sitting in the lineup while the hot chick walks through the doors. She’s got James Franco Instagramming her because she took some pic in the bathroom of a bar. An ugly 6 shoots a good looking dude down at the bar because he made one little mistake or wasn’t cool enough, and she expects to get the high-value dude because she believes she’s a 10.

You’ll find most Naturals have a delusional sense of self-worth too. Usually it’s based on situational confidence (ie – in a particular environment or around particular people they feel unstoppable), but it’s not based on anything real. It’s just based on believing they’re awesome.

But all us good little chodey men who weren’t banging girls in junior high or weren’t born with a pussy are socially conditioned to feel like we are worthless pieces of shit and we have to EARN feeling high-value. We are taught that we are nothing until we become a doctor or get a 6-pack or become CEO or have a BMW because that keeps society/consumerism/etc. going. We are taught from Day 1 that girls are special and up on a pedestal. In fact if you TRY to believe you’re high-value, people will call you out on it and ask you what makes you think you DESERVE to be ALLOWED to feel high-value and try to shove you back in your little box like a good little worthless chode who knows his place at the bottom of society.

Why do girls and Naturals get to “just feel entitled and high-value”, but all the rest of the men out there aren’t allowed to? That’s socially conditioned bullshit.

I’m saying we can do the same thing. It’s just a switch in your head you flip, it doesn’t have to be justified by anything or rationalized like we were taught by society. Once you really flip that switch it changes your subcommunications around hot girls because you start acting like a guy who DESERVES them. And if you act like a guy who deserves hot girls, that implies that you have experience getting hot girls which triggers social proof, pre-selection, Hypergamy, etc.

Game is very simple when you boil it down. Literally everything comes down to “believe in yourself, just be yourself, and understand how attraction works”. That’s it.

But because guys won’t fucking listen and won’t go out and test this shit because it’s scary or they don’t want to make the time or their ego can’t handle cold approach, they make it complicated as fuck and want to watch a million videos and hypothesize all day before they go out and tell girls they work at Taco Bell and act like it’s an awesome job and see that girls really don’t give a shit and think whatever you think is cool, is cool lol

“with a postive attitude, not EVERY opportunity or goal you set you will achieve to your satisfaction”

Of course not, nothing is 100%. You’re not going to get every girl. But if you don’t truly believe in your own value it doesn’t matter if you become a doctor or a celebrity etc., you’re gonna’ get cheated on when your girl has the opportunity. Becoming a doctor or CEO etc. doesn’t automatically make you believe in your own value. There are TONS of rich good-looking dudes who have trouble getting laid and have confidence issues and depression and shit.

Guys think “oh if I just become a doctor that’ll fix everything” because society told them “doctors are confident alpha badasses”. Then they become a doctor and they still get shitty results with women and their GF cheats on them and they go “I don’t get it, I thought I beat the game! I thought I found the loophole!”

Here’s some in-field of Tyler and his better looking rich dentist buddy and the difference between how the girl reacts to your internal beliefs. Starts at 45 seconds, and at 9:30 he tells a girl she’s a dirty little whore and instigates a 3-way makeout with her and another girl and she says she’s married:

And here at 6:55 you can see Tyler keep pushing a student to keep pursuing the girl he’s with and keep plowing through resistance and awkward situs and handling her friends etc. and he asks him “How many times were you thinking of giving up?” and then after that he pushes another student to go home with some tall skinny chick.

Max is like the flamingly gayest instructor RSD has. But listen to what he says. Everything he says and does is taking the lead and setting the frame that he’s entitled to the girls he talks to even when they’re taller than him and shit:

The difference that feeling entitled and high-value by default makes is dramatic. I don’t even TELL girls what I do for work. We don’t talk about that. Because we’re busy flirting and fucking, I’m not trying to impress her because I feel like I deserve her. I don’t need to impress her, I’m the highest-value man in the room in my mind, SHE has to impress ME.

You don’t have to JUSTIFY feeling high-value. And even if you decide to do that, it’s retarded because if you base your self-worth on external attributes, if you lose those attributes you will lose your self-worth.

Put it this way: How confident is Will going to feel if he doesn’t pass med school? He’s going to feel like a piece of shit. He’ll spend the rest of his life thinking that if he had just passed that one exam his life would be so much better and he would deserve amazing girls but nope, he didn’t pass, so he’s “-1 on CH’s chart” oh no!!! And then he’ll hit 30+ and start losing his looks. UHOH!!! Another “-1 on CH’s chart”!!! AHHH!!! Might as well give up!!!

When you base your self-worth on your internal attributes they can’t be taken away. You can take away all my money and put me in a 300lbs body and I’ll approach girls fully believing that having money is dumb and that being fat is badass and sexy, and I’ll get those girls while the better looking dude in the corner feels too insecure to approach them because he isn’t a doctor.

Girls don’t give a shit. They just ping off their environment to know how to feel. When you interact with them and take over their emotions, YOU are their environment they’re pinging off for how to feel.

@Sun Wukong
“mostly thanks to YaReally drilling it in to everybody’s head around here”

It’s fucking trying sometimes lol Social conditioning has us all SO fucked up that we will make any excuse in the world to avoid believing that we could somehow have value, especially to a hot girl. I will meet fucking amazing dudes that I’m like “wow, this guy is a boss, he has tons going for him!” and he will be like a sad crying little child on the inside insecure and uncertain of his own worth…he’ll be talking to some stupid chick who works at Walmart and still lives at home with her parents and HE’S worried that HE isn’t high-value enough for her!! Because she put on a push-up bra and some heels. It’s SAD to me that I would be more confident than a doctor…it shouldn’t BE that way. That guy SHOULD be confident as fuck, but society won’t let him because even if he becomes a doctor he’ll worry if he has the right shoes, the right car, the right condo, his friends will be more successful or outgoing doctors, his friends will be lawyers and he’ll meet a girl who likes lawyers and he’ll think oh no I should’ve been a lawyer, and it’s all because society convinced him he wasn’t good enough and he didn’t go out and experiment digging his elbows into the mud to find out the reality that shit works the way that asshole YaReally kept saying.

This shit is great for society, it keeps men working hard and keeps the economy going, keeps consumerism going gotta buy the newest car gotta buy the expensive suit…great for girls, it weeds out the pussy guys who don’t have the inherent delusional confidence that Naturals have, so they can just walk past that janitor and know that he’ll self-select himself out of the running AS HE SHOULD BECAUSE EW HOW DARE HE BELIEVE HE HAS WORTH.

…but it’s not so great for the actual dude himself who ends up a fucking mess inside.

Everyone who thinks you have to be a doctor, go out for a year and tell every girl you meet that you work in a baby-grinding factory. They don’t give a shit what you do…unless they’re looking at you as Beta Bucks. And then they’re going to fuck some entitled asshole like me behind your back.

The level of discussion that goes on in a comment section like this…do you think ANY girls ANYWHERE are discussing life and purpose and shit on this kind of level?? Do you think many of them are even CAPABLE of it?? It’s all a fucking illusion, just like that cutemode/slutmode reddit forum shoves in your face. It makes me SAD that there are guys this intelligent, lifting weights, trying to better themselves, working on their purposes, etc. who would be nervous to talk to a hot girl when they see her when the only difference is that the guy was told “you have to justify feeling high-value” and the girl was told “you don’t have to justify feeling high-value”. It’s insane to me. The things a 40+yo guy can teach some silly 23yo who works at Walmart and lives with her parents, about life and his experiences and the world around her is like, not even quantifiable. But that guy has had 40 years of being told he doesn’t deserve to even TALK to her because, what, she did her hair up all nice?

Like I said before: “I don’t do the shit I do because doing that shit is alpha. The shit I do is alpha because I do it.” It’s all internal. If you can make this shit then none of that other shit matters to her, BECAUSE it doesn’t matter to you.


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P.S. The classes of meddies I’ve partied with were out literally every weekend or two getting shit-faced and fucking eachother and trying to pick girls up at the bar (the cool outgoing social ones succeeded, the chodey ones stood against the wall being chodes). Especially first year. A lot of those dudes are actual doctors/surgeons etc. saving lives and shit right now and still get to party now and then lol

Make an effort to sarge, and try to do it without alcohol ’cause you got school to focus on. It was common for them to get wasted on nights where they didn’t have shit to do but if they were on-call or had important school shit the next day they would come out and just drink water.


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“And Will has tipped his hat that that is a desire for a sweet girl 4 years his junior that is good in bed and that will stick with him in a LTR.”

No problem. Just need to find one of those virgins who’s never had sex (since virgins are more likely to not cheat), but who’s ALSO a crazy wild sex ninja like those slutty whore bar sluts. Where would she have learned to be good in bed? Shit, who knows, magic unicorn powers probably.

I want my next surgeon to be a guy who never went to med school but is also able to perform my heart transplant perfectly.

…now I’m just making fun lol But he’s already on a path to chasing an illusion bullshit goal that he won’t achieve in terms of girls, and he’s looking for confirmation that his goal is possible, and I’m not going to humor that because that’s how disillusioned 35+yo guys like Roosh are made when they realize their goal was bullshit.


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@Badpainter
Well said. Anyone who read my shit should read your follow-up.

@sjfrellc
Some of the shit the meddies were going through that they’d tell me about blew my mind. I wouldn’t be able to handle that shit. Watching them slowly learn to accept death and the reality of losing patients etc. was a big eye-opener. A lot of the shit people worry about is really silly nonsense in comparison to what they see.

@Rollo
One day we’re going to have an entire conversation that literally just consists of us linking our own writing back and forth lol

I think every dude learning game needs to read those articles and view that subreddit. Getting past the madonna/whore complex and understanding that YES that cute innocent girl in the supermarket in a baggy sweater who’s going to college to be a lawyer is the same as the girl who’s dancing up on the speaker in a mini-skirt and going home with random dudes……she just won’t be that version of herself for most guys, because most guys would judge her. Learn how to bring that side of her out and she’ll be like that for you. Stay high-value instead of comparing yourself to the guys around you, and she’ll stay like that for you while they think you’re dating a cute innocent girl in a supermarket in a baggy sweater who’s going to college to be a lawyer.

@FuriousFerret
Haven’t seen it, but I watch Fight Club like once a year and always pull something new out of it that wasn’t relevant to me years prior. It really nailed a lot of shit, I almost don’t want to view the sequel incase it doesn’t live up to it lol


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@Seraph
“YES, it is astounding how often guys need to be told that, but MANY DO. Some people have programming in their head that plays a constant stream of ‘you are not good enough’.”

Oh ya, I did too. I was exactly the same dude I’m talking to in my rant. I was fully socially conditioned, hook line and sinker. 100% chode. I have no doubt that if I hadn’t found PUA I would be divorced or in a dead-bedroom marriage with a fat chick right now. I’d probably be rich too, but I would be a mess and would probably be one of those feminist men SJWs chodes doubling-down on my belief in the system and hoping it somehow works out in the end.

But I put a lot of work into rewiring that inner thought loop shit to say “you’re awesome, of course you’re good enough” instead. It was a lot of work but now I don’t have to think about it, it’s internalized.

“I once tried to explain to a natural the non-natural mindset, and it was like someone trying to explain colors to a blind guy.”

Ask a smokin hot girl why she’s confident. She’ll say something like “well everyone likes” me. Say “ok, lots of people are liked but they aren’t confident, so what is it about you that people like? What are you basing your confidence on?” She might say something like “well, I’m pretty and fun, and smart and funny” which is code for “I don’t know, no one has ever expected me to explain why I DESERVE to see myself as high-value so I’m just saying nonsense words that I think I’m supposed to say to this”.

If you push hard enough she won’t be able to answer and will want to change the subjects because you’re pushing her into uncomfortable feels…because she’s never had to RATIONALIZE why she views herself as high-value. Society doesn’t expect her to. She’s a girl, that’s it. And when she’s young and pretty she doesn’t even understand that her looks are why everyone values her…that’s why she’ll hit the wall at 35 and have her reality shattered around her when suddenly as she ages into her 40s no one thinks she’s as “pretty, fun and smart and funny” as they used to because they don’t want to fuck her anymore.

Same with a Natural. Push him for WHY he’s confident and eventually you’ll get to the point where he goes “cuz I’m awesome dude” and wants to change the subject because it’s stupid to him. It’s stupid that he should have to rationalize why he’s awesome. His thought process is often literally “Why am I awesome? Because I’m AWESOME, DUH!!”

But the rest of the dudes out there fell into social conditioning and society wrapped chains around them and told them not to feel good about themselves. That’s why there’s some IT nerd keeping Rollo’s site running instead of fucking some smokin hot blonde model. That’s why some rich marketing exec is making bank off figuring out how to make you feel inadequate when you watch TV commercials. That’s why some girl is fucking the alpha asshole and shaming the rare chode that has the balls to think he deserves to talk to her…how could he think he has any RIGHT to talk to her?? What’s he basing that confidence off of? HE needs REASONS!

It’s all bullshit. You can’t reach your full potential in pickup until you understand and internalize this. And you can’t understand and internalize it by reading about it, even from me. The way to understand and internalize it is to go out and experience it. Hit the field and sarge sarge sarge. That’s WHY I know what the life of a meddie is like, that’s WHY I know there are rich good-looking dudes who can’t get laid, that’s WHY I can pinpoint people’s insecurities and wasteful thought processes in forum comments, because I sarge and meet people and interact with them and see that shit in-field all the fuckin’ time.

PUA and the Red Pill is not theory, it’s backwards engineering.


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“If Will embarks on his primary mission to learn medicine as best as possible with a Quality mindset and becomes the best doctor possible, he will by default feel a positive quality mindset about himself in any situation”

This simply doesn’t hold up in-field. “in any situation” is the part that’s the lie. I’ve seen grown accomplished men who KILL IT in their professions or comfort zone situations, who are scared SHITLESS when you put a hot girl in front of them. One of the RSD instructors (I think Julien) jokes about how only 2 guys have ever RUN AWAY from a bootcamp and one of them was some badass army vet dude who’d been thru war and shit but he ran off the bootcamp because he couldn’t get over his Approach Anxiety.

Climbing Mount Everest will NOT give you more confidence talking to girls. It works in THEORY, but it just doesn’t automatically translate. It theoretically CAN, like it sounds like it worked out for you, but it’s VERY rare and usually in cases where it translates to confidence talking to girls the guy was already decent with girls or fairly alpha/social to begin with…it’s not that it’s impossible, it’s just that I wouldn’t recommend going into a poker game betting all your life savings on hoping that the cards you were dealt turn out to be Aces when you flip them over.

The way to get more confident talking to girls by TALKING TO GIRLS lol

Will may end up a super badass at work, but his options for girls will be the nurses he works with (who often aren’t anywhere near as hot as they are in movies, and are often, themselves, out at bars getting fucked by more social cool dudes than the lonely doctor they work with) and those girls are shitting where he eats so he’s opening up potential career-ending drama by banging them. But he’s not thinking about that, because he hasn’t gone out and fucked a bunch of girls and seen what “potential career-ending drama” he could be in for and hasn’t thought through where these magical unicorns he’s going to settle down with are going to come from.

And he hasn’t thought about how being a doctor would even play out in-field. How is that going to look? “So what do you do?” “Oh, you know, I’m a doctor…” “OMG FUCK ME!!!! I’LL NEVER CHEAT ON YOU EVER!!!” That’s how society says it’ll work. That’s how it works in movies. That’s not how it works in real life (except with gold-diggers lol)

It’s the same as guys in college who don’t realize that once they finish college and move away for work, there won’t be frat parties every week or dorm room parties or a college campus bar or classes with hot young college chicks who want to fuck and buddies begging them to come out to the bar after class for a beer. They’ll have a few ugly coworkers and a couple chodey guys at work they might befriend who at best want to go sit in a corner at a bar being chodes getting wasted and not talk to girls.

Then reality hits and they go “…shit. Where are my options I thought I’d have? You mean I have to work an 18 hour shift at the hospital and then STILL make friends and go out to a bar and approach girls or try to open them at the grocery store when I have no idea how to do that and no experience with it?? But everyone told me that if I just focus on being good at being a doctor it’ll translate into being confident with women!! Shit!!”

It’s even WORSE when he’s still clinging onto blue pill beliefs and goals through that whole thing. It’s like expecting an amazing view when you finally climb to the top of the mountain and all you see when you get up there is a garbage dump and you realize holy shit, this got me NOTHING. And now I don’t have the time or opportunity to learn game because I’m too busy working!! WTF did I just did to myself!! Why didn’t someone like YaReally warn me?!

“I just don’t think he has embraced red pill.”

lol ya he’s not even close. He’s still rejecting it. I know I’m not going to convince him of anything, I’m writing for the lurkers and other guys reading here who aren’t still clinging to their blue pill desires for how the world “should” work.

“then it is not so hard to lessen your fears about PUA and go out sarging”

Theoretically, but in reality most guys can’t translate it to the field. Put a pretty girl in front of them and they choke on their own tongue, and that’s HELPING them…try to get them to actually pro-actively COLD APPROACH a girl they think is hot?? Pffft.

A good place to observe this (ASIDE FROM ACTUALLY GOING OUT IN THE FIELD) is watching episodes of Keys to the VIP. You’ll find a LOT of the dudes you would assume would be bosses in-field (tons going for them, lots of cocky pre-game talk about how badass they are etc.) choke like bitches when they actually have to approach and lose all sorts of sets or come off like complete manginas compared to their profiles…because they’re no longer in their comfort zones.

Bunch of episode links here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/3/#comment-heartiste-654207

See this shit all the time in-field first-hand lol It’s possible to catch pocket Aces but it sure ain’t a guarantee…convincing someone that it is isn’t doing them any favors.

No offense intended, of course, I know you’re just trying to help him…but there’s like a 99% chance he’ll end up just like your physician buddy and I’ll go “sigh, no one listens to YaReally”. lol


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Props dude, I was a virgin till 24-ish. Keep it up, your life can go places you can’t even imagine right now if you get out there and work at it. You have all the time in the world to make up for the years you missed out on.


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“There is nothing good about a bad doctor and I’ve see plenty of mediocre and bad doctors. Going to a doctor and having him decide my healthcare scares the shit out of me.”

You and me both. I love my buddies but man, I met some dudes that made me do a lot more of my own research when I have medical questions.

@Will
“So i think youre right about STILL going out from time to time but drink water and shit. Theres just no way i can keep up with some of the drinking of the undergrads ill be hitting on. ”

Straight-up if you can do med school AND go out with your class to bars/parties but AVOID drinking and learn to mack girls SOBER in those environments (standing up to the peer pressure to get wasted and shit)? You will end up pretty much a god lol The problem is that to be successful in high-value careers takes a lot of time/work so most guys make excuses not to go out, or when they go out they get wasted and don’t learn anything and don’t get laid except random drunk sex that doesn’t teach them anything about pickup/seduction and gives them an excuse to not go out (“oh I can’t handle all that drinking and can’t say no to alcohol”), so they end up really good at their job but their social skills and especially pickup skills are stunted. That’s why I can run circles around them in set even though I’m poor as fuck (workin’ on it lol I have a lull at work for a few weeks right now that’s why I’m on here so much lately).

Funny side-note, when I rolled with high-value guys like meddies lawyers iBankers etc., girls that I talked to assumed I was one of them even though I was clearly underdressed etc. compared to them. But I gave off confident subcomms etc. so girls just assumed I must be high-value like those guys. They had no idea I don’t even have a car and for a while didn’t even have a job…my money buddies were buying expensive rounds of shots for everyone (including random girls, dem student loans!) and I couldn’t afford to even buy myself drinks a lot of the time lol it was hilarious to me.

Legit tho, try to avoid getting wasted:

The benefits that’ll come from it are insane. If I was in your situ I would tell people it’s against my religion or I have a kidney issue or some shit and CAN’T drink, so that they quit asking me to do shots and place me as just the “guy who’s fun even tho he’s sober”.

Gaming sober helps build frame control too, ’cause people will pressure you and you’ll have to hold your frame to not drink. It’s hard to do, that’s why most guys can’t lol But that frame control and resistance to social pressure you build helps in other aspects of your life.

“kinda random note: I actually like a girl who has NO idea what she’s doing in bed. then you teach her and you know shes only slept with like a few inexperienced dudes lol, just saying”

How many times have you actually DONE that? ’cause in my experience it’s not as fun as it sounds. She’s probably not going to just be a totally open book that automatically likes whatever you tell her to like. She’s going to have shit that she’s into and shit that she’s not into, the difference between her and a slutty chick is that she’s not going to know what those things are and you’re going to invest a lot more time and energy and commitment into her before you find out the thing you enjoy in bed isn’t something she likes and she hates doing it. She’s not some programmable robot lol

I’m not saying marry a slutty chick that’s taking 10 dicks up her ass a night, I’m just saying a lot of that “find a proper girl and turn her into a whore” thing isn’t always as wonderful as it seems in the fantasy. Maybe it’s worked out for you, but personally I don’t think it’s as common as people like to say. And even then where are you gonna’ meet this girl if you’re working crazy long shifts at the hospital? I can go out and chat up 10 girls and none of them end up being that perfect low-N count girl that wants to be programmed to be my sex-bot, will you even WORK with 10 fuckable girls at whatever hospital you end up at? Can’t fuck your patients.

But if you know how to game and seduce girls sober…well hey, you might be able to approach and seduce one of those girls when you go buy your lunch. You have a LOT more opportunities if you can game sober.

““oh well what if i meet this girl, and then have to move away for residency, there goes that work and game and relationship.” and it will be a horrible cycle of that until im done with training when im like late 30s.”

This WILL happen. That’s the career you chose. Relationships all get raped once you enter that stage. Expect it. The good part is you might have enough $ to fly to visit the girl you like now and then to try to maintain some kind of long-distance relationship but that’s rolling a lot of dice and I highly don’t recommend long-distance LTRs.

“well shit, i don’t have to go to med school and i can establish good healthy relationships with great girls where i’m at. like med school is cool but i love having these great relationships with girls and med school seems like it’s getting in the way of that.”

I’m not gonna’ say drop out or anything. But be aware of the realities of the profession you’re entering. I knew a guy who was so far into med school that he couldn’t quit and he confessed that he only went into it because he thought it would help him get a wife. When he realized he didn’t have any time to actually go out he was like “shit, what do I do??” Felt terrible for him. He didn’t even like med school.

You CAN make it work. But you have to want to. You have to be realistic and know that if you get into a serious LTR, having to move for work will probably fuck it over. You might be able to maintain it but it’ll take understanding red pill shit to do it.

Realistically you shouldn’t be looking to LTR in your 20s anyway. You won’t hit your prime till your 30s, esp with med shit. You should be meeting and banging random girls and having fun and learning what kind of girls you respond well to in your 20s and consider settling in your 30s. Like go into med school with that plan in mind instead of a fantasy.

Make an effort to go out with your class and be social, stay sober, study hard, learn to spin plates and fool around with a bunch of girls (wrap your dick up, cuz they’ll all want to “accidentally” get preggers by a doctor) without prioritizing them over work (that means learning emotional self-control), and EXPECT to just have fun till your 30s. You’ve chosen a career that makes it very difficult to settle down early, and in a way that’s good because you shouldn’t consider settling down till you really digest the red pill and understand what that entails and how to make that work (and NOT consume your life and ruin your career over a girl).

Read the FUCK out of Rollo’s stuff on relationships and one-itis and purpose lol

“and @yareally you’re talking to me like some chode who can’t cold approach dude….”

I don’t know anything about you lol and don’t tell us any details, stay anonymous. But despite not knowing you, I know what you’ll be like if you spend years in med school without going out and you’ll end UP as a chode who can’t cold approach. If you stop going out and approaching, atrophy will set in just like if you stop using your muscles. And right now you’ve got a class of meddies you can go out with, which is awesome…but down the road you probably will have had to move away and end your LTR and you won’t have a group of meddies that party it up. It’ll be you on your own in some new city and you’ll have to figure out how to get the opportunities you used to have when you were in a frat, know what I mean?

I’m not trying to dump on you, I appreciate that you’re listening to guys here and trying to get a realistic perspective of your future and your options, that’s why I’m not being too harsh on ya. Most guys stick their head in the sand and just plow forward and cross their fingers that it’ll all work out.


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“I’ve really only done it probably 3 times.”

lol that’s better than I expected so good on ya. I don’t have a lot of patience for teaching girls in bed so my view is biased lol Still tho, that’s 3 out of like <20 girls when you've got access to a frat and med class. Out in the "real world" your hospital crew could be uggos and crazy single moms with baggage and taken girls and girls you just don't click with, girls you aren't compatible in bed with, etc. To find 20 hot girls you're gonna' have to go hunting so expect to have to build a new social circle when you move to a new city. it's not hard to do, and ANY career you'd have to do it if you moved to a new city (unless you're like, a fashion photographer or some shit lol) but you'll want to be pro-active and expect it instead of being blindsided.

That said, to show the other side of the coin: My buddies who WERE able to be social and mack girls sober in med school had a fucking BLAST, still did great in school ('cause they weren't hungover and run ragged all the time and they developed a lot of self-control), and are doing just fine now. Some of them are in LTRs (temporary or otherwise), one flies to visit a high-quality long-distance GF, and some are still playing the field using their social skills to build new social circles to go hit the nightlife with, in no rush to settle down anytime soon.

But they're the guys who were smart about it, not the ones who wasted bar nights by getting hammered instead of focusing on approaching and tightening up their pulling skills.

Long as you're smart and prepared and realistic about what you'll have to do (aka make time to socialize sober and mack girls whenever you get the opportunity), you can have the best of both worlds. Just looking at the pros and cons and asking for advice puts you way ahead of most guys who have no idea the train they're on is headed for a brick wall lol


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“that doesn’t help for my situation either lol I’m all about the pickup it’s distracting”


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“Using a wingman is PUA tactic. Using PUA tactics are like putting up a facade. In terms of TRM, you have lost when you use a wingman.”

“Under PUA, all you care about is N count regardless how trashy your targets are. Look where the high N count has brought Roosh. He feels total worthlessness right now and is hamsterbating Neo masculinity while Rollo has been just Rollo.

Please do check the “Dancing Monkeys” post on TRM. PUAs just dance wilder.”

lol U R ALPHA LEVELS OVER 9000 BRO!!! LONE WOLF HOWWWWWL!!!!

@Will
“How do you control your competitiveness and jealousy with the bros that you go out with. So like if me and my wind man are out and he’s vibing with the girl I’m into and trying to work on. But then he starts kino-ing and she’s into etc.”

You got 3 options:

1) Tell your wing “dude, don’t barge in when I’m macking a girl”. If he’s a PUA he’ll understand that you can’t both fuck her and a quality wingman is worth hundreds of women and it’s better to not step on eachothers’ toes when you could both be working together to both be getting laid way more consistently.

…but he won’t be a PUA, so he’ll just call you a faggot and laugh at you. So this isn’t a great option.

2) Step up harder. Take over emotions. Most of the time a guy complains that his buddy takes attention from the girl it’s because he’s running pussy game on her (“coincidentally” this is often Naturals who run into this, who didn’t learn how to compete with actual seductive skills and is a big part of why I say Naturals do great as long as no one else interferes). “So you go to SchoolX? COOL, that’s pretty cool, ya, you know, I go to SchoolY, so ya, it’s pretty cool….COOOOOL.” You should be taking over her fucking brain sending her on an emotional rollercoaster ride where she’s fascinated by you and doesn’t GIVE a shit about meeting your buddy. She should say to him “oh, hey, so anyway” and turn back to you because she wants to engage with you more.

If your game isn’t there, then step it up. Watch some of RSD Julien’s stuff on pushing girls through emotional rollercoasters:

I had a stupidly good-looking tall Natural buddy who, when I first met him would have both girls in a set facing him captivated. I was stuck looking at the back of their heads. But over time I realized it was because I was letting him have them, I wasn’t running very tight game and I was basically stepping aside when he came in, like I would intro him to the girls and I’d just go quiet (you know, to be polite and all that) and then they would both end up wanting to fuck him and I’m stuck standing there like a tard or have to go find some other girls.

Eventually I got frustrated enough with this that I started making more of an emotional impact on the girls. I stopped WAITING for attention and TOOK attention. Get up in her space, say shit that she can’t ignore, take over her entire fuckin brain. It’s not “dancing monkey” shit, it’s understanding how to captivate her emotions and be the most amazing thing she’s seen in her life. Once I started stepping up I was able to take (or keep) the attention of the girls because I stopped running weak sloppy game.

3) Move her. If your buddy keeps sweeping in like a vulture and you know he’s gonna do it (side note: this is how a LOT of Naturals get laid…they can’t cold approach, they rely on their buddies to bring girls around or open girls and then they sweep in and start flirting with the girl to try to take her), just move her. Don’t let her meet him. As he’s coming over, turn her so her back is to him and ignore him when he tries to get your attention and just keep pumping her emotions till he goes away. Or squat and wrap your arms around her thighs and pick her up and walk her to another part of the room and set her down and keep going like nothing happened. If she asks wtf that was just say “oh I couldn’t hear you over there, so anyway–” She won’t care, girls live in the moment just change subjects. If she asks about the guy trying to talk to you and is like “isn’t that your friend?” just say “ya but he’s gay and trying to fuck me, come over here–” and turn her away from him etc.

Don’t GIVE him the opportunity to vulture her. Straight up ignore him. Another good move is as soon as you see him coming over, hold your hands out palms up to her and say “gimme your hands” (minor compliance test, you should have enough attraction by then for her to comply and give you her hands…if she says anything just interrupt and say “no shut up give me your hands” like it’s going to save her life), then raise her hands up and put them on your shoulders, squat down and wrap your arms around her waist and pick her up and carry her away from him (with her back to him so she can’t even see that he was coming over and he can’t make any eye-contact with her).

If you want to keep it simple you can just say “gimme your hand” and just WALK her away from him but sometimes a Natural will follow you…actually picking her up usually stuns them enough because it’s so unexpected that they don’t follow (plus it spikes the girl’s emotions more). Another one I like is to say “what was your name?” and hold my hand out like a handshake, she’ll say her name and shake my hand and I just lift her hand up over my shoulder, wrap my arms around her waist and hoist her up so she’s bent over my shoulder fireman style and carry her over to another area…careful with this one, bars have a lot of shit you can accidentally smack her head on lol

If your buddy is a team-player who knows to fuck off, then ya, intro him, but if he’s going to be competitive and keeps macking your girls then fuck it, all’s fair in love and war. Don’t ALLOW him to win the girl. Get her away from him like he’s made of radioactive waste.

You can bring her to meet your group after you’ve got her fully hooked, but if she’s down to bone just get her the fuck out of there. She doesn’t need to meet all your buddies.

This is why a good PUA wing is great. When my buddy’s talking to a girl I’ll keep an eye on him and if he signals me to come in, I’ll drop in and talk him up and make him look good but I’ll disqualify myself (I might mention I’m looking for a girl I saw earlier etc.) and get the fuck out of there before she gets too into me. So she ends up thinking “ok he has high-value cool friends” which DHV’s him, without thinking “aww I wanna fuck the other one”. And he’ll do the same for me. I know that while I’m talking to a girl, he’s not going to come in and interrupt unless her friends or an AMOG comes in and then he’ll come in and distract them for me.

Two solid PUAs winging eachother is unstoppable as fuck.

But sarging solo is fine too. PUA wrote the book on solo sarging. It’s just that most Naturals in college aren’t anti-social loners so they’re likely to be out at the bar with other Natural alpha bros and have to deal with this kind of thing.

Personally I prefer either solo sarging or one good PUA wing (these days I’m old so I’d rather hit a nightclub full of 21yo’s with a buddy than be the guy in his 30s there solo lol if I’m sarging a lounge or pub or something more low key then I’m happy being solo). Any more than 2 dudes on a night out is too much sausage to me. It’s very easy to find a 2-set of chick BFFs that wants to bang 2 money guys. More than 2 dudes starts fucking up all sorts of little logistics and introduces too many uncontrolled variables and unpredictability, esp if the other guys don’t know PUA and make a bunch of rookie mistakes and shit.


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“But yeah now that I think about it…I do that stuff naturally sometimes without realizing it.”

Like I always say: PUA isn’t theory, it’s backwards engineered from observing shit in-field. The AMOG, winging, shit-test defending, bitch-shield destroying, ASD-circumventing, etc. shit that we teach comes from seeing and experiencing that shit in-field from going out so much and comparing notes.

Most AMOG tech comes FROM being AMOG’ed lol Know how I know to just carry a girl away? Because some dude did it to me in-field and as I watched the girl giggle and shrug at me as if saying “sorry, what can I do? 🙂 lol whee!!” I was like “shit, well-played”

The reason PUA gives guys an edge is that a Natural like you is just “doing stuff sometimes without realizing it”, so your % chance of “lucking into” executing that move is like, who knows, 25%, if it just happens to strike you in the moment. But a PUA is paying attention to those dynamics and has that move locked and loaded, so when he ends up in that situation he’s already either pro-actively preventing it or solving it quickly and returning to moving the interaction forward.

“Like preventing your dudes from hitting on the girl is the way to do it. That option I like best just positioning her away from the whole danger too many variables scene”

Ya, the carrying away and stuff is what I’ll do in nightclub venues more than in a pub/lounge, or outside on the street like if I have to get my girl through a crowd of AMOGs to get us into a cab and we stop for her to make sure her friends are okay or we get hotdogs or whatever and I have to fend dudes off.

But in most lower key situs all I do is circle-strafe a step or two to the side so that to keep talking to me she has to turn her back to whoever’s approaching us, and then I focus my eye-contact on her to lock her eyes on mine and I say stuff that will spike her emotions and get her laughing or outraged or touching me, basically anything that’s noticable to other people…I’ve found that a lot of dudes will get scared off from interfering if they try to get our attention (or are on their way over to try) and they see the girl suddenly laugh and touch me or go through a big emotional shift because they interpret that as “ah shit, he’s already got her, no chance for me”. The guy doesn’t even really feel “dissed”, he just chalks it up to bad timing/luck on his part that she “happened to” suddenly emotionally spike over me as he was walking over etc. (not realizing that I’m doing that on purpose).

Again, if my buddy is cool and I know he’s not going to try to fuck with my set then I’ll intro him and it’s all good. And I purposely don’t hang out with guys that don’t have game if I can avoid it (my social circle right now now that I’ve moved to a new city is VERY small compared to the last city I was in where I was often out in groups of 3-10 dudes with various game from anti-game to no-game to Natural game). Like this time I’m being very selective with who I hang with ’cause I much prefer going out playing as a team over competing esp as I get older.


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“Be careful to calibrate the ‘prevention’ strategy so it doesn’t cross into ‘mate guarding’ territory. If she pick up a vibe that your shielding her from other dudes it could look needy. Thoughts Ya?”

You’re gonna look a lot more “mate guardy” standing there trying to compete head to head with your bro for her attention in a “2 guys talking to 1 girl” arrangement than you are just moving her before she even notices another guy is coming over. Prevention is always better than solution.

Just be cool about it. Don’t dwell on it like “I HAVE TO GET YOU AWAY FROM MY BUDDY HE’S GOING TO TRY TO FUCK YOU COME WITH ME LET’S TALK ABOUT MY BUDDY AND WHY YOU NEED TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM!!!” (hell that’ll just make her curious about him) You just treat it like you’re brushing her hair out of her face or setting down your drink, like it’s no big deal and you don’t even draw attention to it, you just do it and then resume talking and change subjects and if she asks just brush it off with some “oh I can hear you better now, so anyway–” instead of engaging in a discussion about it. She’s a girl, she lives in the moment, just engage her with a new topic like she’s a 5yo you just redirected away from walking in the wrong direction, don’t make it a big deal.


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lol at the drama holy shit

@Will
Ya when Julien and Tyler do those speeches they’re just riffing off the top of their heads so the examples they spit out usually aren’t amazing cause they’re trying to think “what will a room full of spergs be able to understand”

Like Julien in-field will call girls “dog” because it’s self-amusing to him (most Naturals humor is self-amusement, they try to make THEMSELVES laugh instead of trying to make other people laugh) and he makes it work and they love him for it. But then he’s like “so you could say like “dog!”” And then he looks around the room and 4 spergs are eagerly scribbling down “TELL GIRLS THEY ARE DOGS.” and are gonna go out that night calling every girl they meet a dog without any idea how to calibrate it or why it works for Julien and not them and why girls hate them and the bouncer is throwing them out lol

You gotta understand PUA was built from the ground up to give even the lowest value dude a gameplan. So someone with decent Natural skills should be listening to it and just taking what’s useful and the overall strategies etc. and applying his own style and humor to it to make up his own shit that just follows the optimal structure.

Like PUA is ultimately just a structure that says “this is how to deal with situations and how to efficiently go from “hello” to sex with a random girl whether you’re solo or with 10 bros”. All the routines and shit are just training wheels for the newbies cause a lot of these guys are guys that weren’t in your frat they were in the computer lab or watching anime on a Friday night lol

Even mystery said back in the day that guys should try to use his structure to come up with their own routines and shit because he didn’t want a bunch of mini-Mystery’s walking around in fuzzy hats (but of course that happened anyway)

The stuff a guy like you would want to take from pickup is the overall concept more than the nitty gritty details/examples. Juliens vid on passing shit-tests basically boils down to “hold your frame and brush it off and change subjects if she’s offended, and if she won’t let it go then calibrate and apologize and move on”.

You don’t captivate the girl’s emotions or she wouldn’t be talking to your buddy so take the concept of what he’s doing when he says make an impact. Figure out how to make an impact on her, pushing her emotions up and down. Get her focused 100% on you, not half talking to you and half open to other opportunities.

Mystery method was really just “look before she’ll fuck you she needs comfort and before she’ll feel comfortable she needs to feel she has rapport with you and to want rapport with you she needs to feel the spark of attraction” and all the routines and shit he gave (I don’t use any of them and haven’t in years) were just for the really socially awkward dudes who don’t have their own personal sense of humor or self-amusement and need word by word steps on what to say and do.

I don’t give many examples of my own verbals because I know most of the guys reading wouldn’t be able to pull them off because they’re tailored to my personal sense of humor and are generally pretty offensive but I have a lot of calibration. Telling a newbie to say some of the shit I say would be a disaster lol

But WHAT I say isn’t important. What’s important is WHY I say it and how it leads toward progressing the interaction forward.

Right now your game is based on situational confidence. You have your 10 bros and a bunch of girls and you just pick one off (probably the one that’s checking you out) so you’re STARTING with social proof, her wanting rapport, comfort since you know some of the same people or go to the same school, etc. so by the time you talk to her you don’t really have much work left to do, just be cool and escalate and it’s done. That’s why your buddy can come take your girl, cause you aren’t really “gaming her” you’re just “not fucking up” lol

PUA was backwards engineered by guys who were walking into venues as anonymous unknowns and trying to pull off pure cold approach. A lot of times guys like you get into the “real world” of hitting the bar scene without your college comfort zones and the girls there give no fucks because they don’t know your friend who knows your other friend and you’re there with some chodey buddy from work who was the only one who wanted to go out cause the other guys are work are married etc.

So take from the vids what you can. Ignore what doesn’t help. You should know how to build social circles and shit when you get out into the real world. A lot of it is just building rapport with people and pro-actively grabbing numbers and keeping in touch, it’s really not hard.

Next time you’re out with your buddies try peeling off to a different part of the venue like another room or the opposite side and try cold approaching a chick who hasn’t seen you and them partying yet. That’s closer to what you’ll be in for in the “real world” lol. Try going out solo to a bar you’ve never been to and approach a few sets.

A LOT of guys who do well in your situ choke hard when they don’t have their group and the easy warm approach invites and shit to rely on. And even when they have those things a lot of times they still don’t have CHOICE. They often end up with girls that chose them while they watch the one they REALLY want pass by because she’s not a part of their group and the girl that’s giving him eye contact in his group is “cute enough” etc

Also don’t listen to guys scolding you online lol this isn’t the army, guys you’re just some online voice not his personal drill sergeant jesus

Like anything in life just take what’s useful and discard what isn’t.

@anti-gamers/anti-RPs/anti-PUAs

The reason a guy like Will ends up ignoring insanity’s shit is because what we’re saying actually lines up with what he sees and experiences in life. We understand and can explain what’s happening while you want him to just stop thinking and looking for answers. You want him to accept chaos, we want to help him turn it into order and control it.

And the reason guys listen to PUA is that we provide actual actionable steps to solve situations instead of shitty advice like “bro an alpha male doesn’t need other men reread 400 pages of archives until my vague advice makes sense to your inner wolf howl” mental masturbation. We say look your situ is common here are some ways you can try to solve it and here’s the conceptual structure underneath that that you can tweak to suit your style now get out there and try it and see what happens.

I don’t care if you give your line wolf howl advice, go nuts, it’s good advice, but don’t shit on PUA and try to convince a guy who could get use out of the answers that he shouldn’t look at it. That’s feminist level “I’LL TELL YOU WHATS SAFE AND APPROVED TO LOOK AT, DONT THINK FOR YOURSELF” bullshit. Will is perfectly capable of deciding what’s bullshit and what works for him and his situ.


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I’ve met some crazy girls…I’ve seen some crazy shit in my time…but THIS??



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“she’d decided to follow the making up for missing out dynamic. She ended up cheating on him and then doing her version of the Wild Oats Project.”

Like I talk about all over my archives:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/9/#comment-heartiste-618149

Every chick will cheat given the right circumstances. Chicks with minimal experience (esp virgins dating their high-school boyfriends) are probably some of the easiest, their curiousity does half the work themselves:

From my archives:

““Oh wow you’ve only been with one guy? That’s really impressive, most girls have to sleep with a few guys before they figure out what they really like in be. You’re so lucky that the first guy you slept with is perfect in bed. Oh? It’s not perfect? Well I’m sure he’s trying, I mean you guys have role played right? No? Well he lets you have toys doesn’t he? Oh he’s jealous of those? Huh…I don’t know, I mean personally I think we should all explore our sexual sides before we commit to someone so that we know that person is the right one for us. I don’t mean you and I, I’m totally not the kind of guy you’d want to sleep with…you saw those other girls that i was kissing, I’m not the commitment type and you’d never hear from me again after tonight, even your friends wouldn’t know about us playing around you wouldn’t want to be stuck with a big secret like that.”

And then I fuck her. And she never tells you. And you continue to think your Madonna isn’t like “those whores” while I show the naked pics she sent me to my buddies.”

The only way you’re going to keep your girl from triggering her Hypergamy is:

1) lock her in the cellar once you meet her. In the old days we weren’t as connected so they didn’t have celebrities tweeting them and liking their Instagram pics and shit. They were choosing from a bunch of losers and maybe a handful of legit money dudes in their little town, so it wasn’t worth cheating esp with the shame/etc. stakes much higher with religion everywhere. They weren’t wired differently, they just had to choose between a 2 day old sandwich or cheating with cold soup…they didn’t have delicious steak dinners txting them, they didn’t have shit like Tinder where they have a literal buffet of various foods to swipe through. This method will work, but you’ll find it difficult to execute in 2015 because it’s basically abusive and retarded and based in insecurity and scarcity. Religion is toast now, even a girl who’s “religious” is still taking in 24/7 “eat pray love, casual sex is fun, go find yourself grrrl” messages from every form of media and technology. You MIGHT be able to find some unicorn in like, some Amish cult where they aren’t allowed to use technology but you’ll complain that she’s a boring lay (no shit where did you expect her to learn to fuck from) and she’ll still cheat on you if you take her out of that cult and into a normal city with other men who you view yourself lower than.

So there’s the strategy for the chodes in the audience who want to spend their lives terrified that their girl might look at another man: Go join an Amish cult and then lock an ugly girl in the cellar. CONGRATULATIONS YOU BEAT HYPERGAMY!!!

2) always trigger her hypergamy so that to HER, regardless of your objective value by society’s standards or by anyone else’s opinion, even your own, to HER you are the highest value man around. If SHE views you as the steak dinner and everyone else as cold leftover sandwiches, she’s not going to cheat with them. These are the only chicks that won’t eventually crack, because why would they?

3) to perform number 2, understand WHAT triggers hypergamy aka what “high value” to her IS. Hint, it’s not your beta bucks or your 6-pack. It’s the emotions you make her feel. Understand that, fully, quit clinging to society’s bullshit value system, give her the emotions (the highs AND the lows, no one goes to a movie that doesn’t have conflict in it, we watch movies that push us through a range of emotions because we need to feel that, the horror movie industry is BASED around people WANTING to feel bad emotions and PAYING to…just make sure you give her bad AND good emotions and calibrate it to what she needs). Do that, and you’ll trigger her hypergamy and you can send her into a room of high-value dudes and she won’t fuck them even if the opportunity is there. Because relative to YOU, they aren’t high-value even if relative to the average dude in society they’re super high-value.

A slutty slut slut who lands a guy who’s legit high-value (to HER…so not her landing some rich good looking dude that you have a fucking man-boner over, that guy can be a chode in his relationship and not be giving her the emotions and shit she actually needs and not be as high-value to her as the poor starving moody artist who slaps her around, it depends entirely on what she responds to) and knows he’ll leave her if she cheats on him will be a good girl girlfriend and not cheat. A pristine virgin who lands a guy who’s low value or loses his value and then is placed in a situation where she’s surrounded by high-value money dudes and those guys can create a situation (aka they have actual game, not just Natural alpha confidence) where she won’t be judged and there won’t be consequences etc., she’ll gangbang them.

All this “but if you get a virgin then you’re playing the odds” and “studies show that if a girl sucks 2.4 dicks then her ability to commit % decreases by 0.002 jigawatts” shit is just nerds mentally masturbating. They don’t even understand what they’re trying to analyse because they don’t even understand how attraction works.

All you have to do is understand what makes a guy attractive/high-value, accept Hypergamy completely, divorce yourself from society’s bullshit value system, have the abundance mentality to be able to walk away from a chick so she knows she’ll lose you if she fucks up, and fix your inner mental loops that tell you George Clooney is somehow higher-value than you.

I actually credit Rollo huge on Hypergamy. In the PUA community we talk about being high-value but we don’t really drill down to understand it because, well, no one really cares, it’s like figuring out how the exact mechanics of breathing air works. It’s interesting to know but telling people “just make sure you breathe as you jog” is enough to teach someone how to jog. The PUA community STILL doesn’t really even use the word (most of them don’t know or care about the manosphere, even Rollo’s stuff) but I like to learn from multiple sources so I found Rollo and Hypergamy was a huge puzzle piece to me that cleared up a lot of shit. Understanding and embracing (and capitalizing on) Hypergamy fully has been one of the biggest keys of my game the last few years.

@droidz @thedeti

Never seen someone invest so much time in something so retarded lol thedeti nailed it. Your theory is stupid and doesn’t hold up in the real world. Go peddle it somewhere else…Roosh likes making up theories based on bullshit, try his forum.

@insanity

Pics or GTFO. Preferably topless. Unless you’re ugly. And if you’re ugly why would anyone care what you think or what choices you’ve made or what you think you feel? No one here is trying to fuck ugly chicks.


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@Sun
lol I was going to add that but I figured the crowd here was too old to get it.

@Roosh

lol I stand by my comment that I hope he has someone close to him who’s sane and can talk him down off the ledge ’cause he’s heading into crazy land and his followers are encouraging it.

I skimmed bits of his article but I couldn’t read the whole thing. All it is to me is the same as a fat chick who’s trying to rationalize that she’s just “different” and THAT’S why she doesn’t have the boyfriend she wants instead of accepting responsibility for her bad life choices and lack of foresight.

Roosh didn’t do all the internal work that he needed to do so he’s trying to rationalize that instead of admitting failure.

Tyler from RSD is the same age as him and he’s loving life (he just put up a 2+ hour video of him fucking around yapping about all sorts of shit, dude is full of energy of love for life and teaching etc.), enjoying chicks, has 2 kids so he’s already satisfied reproducing, and he’s about to try expanding his multi-million dollar company into other areas like self-help (whether that’ll pan out or not remains to be seen but the point is that he still has goals and ambitions).

Roosh has just kind of passively drifted through life. He’s like the guy who half-asses his work wondering why he’s not a millionaire at 35. It’s because you didn’t do the shit you needed to do to GET there, dumbass, it’s not that people don’t want to be millionaires anymore.

Just the same “obesity is the new norm” rationalization for failure that fat chicks use.

He could fix his shit if he worked on his internal game (hell, take an RSD bootcamp lol), but he won’t because he has his little hugbox to cheer him on toward the edge.

I’ve never been a big fan of Roosh but at this point I’ll be very surprised if his story doesn’t end as a pretty depressing warning down the road.


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@Will
“you could see this if someone is in their 40s and they work as a front desk person for a doctor. Who wins with hypergamy in that environment….the doctor.”

How come the wife of the rich millionaire fucks the penniless poolboy? How come the wife of that doctor fucks the asshole she works with? How come the girlfriend of a AAA celeb cheats on him with some unknown dude? How come girls will fuck the wifebeater poor dude who slaps them around, and will choose him over the BB Nice Guy orbiter? Why do housewives fuck the TV repair guy?

Lots of girls will fuck Brad Pitt. But lots of girls are legitimately not attracted to him and would fuck Zack Galfanakas over him. Why? Are they all lying, can Brad Pitt have literally every single girl in the entire world if he wants? There are no girls who think he’s too old, too thin, too pretty, too blonde, too tall/short, too obnoxious, too easy-going, too blue eyed instead of brown eyed, too bad an actor, thinks acting is a silly job, isn’t more attracted to a bearded guy, or a bulkier guy, or a guy with a manly job, etc. etc.? NO girl will turn down Brad Pitt?

“Doctor > desk guy” just doesn’t hold up in the real world. There are way more factors involved and very few of them are actually based on external attributes except in DUDE’S heads who are still trapped in social conditioning and feel inadequete when they see Brad Pitt and feel ashamed of their desk job and feel like the doctor they work for is higher value than them.


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@Glenn
“I’m terrified of having my own purposes. I don’t really trust or even admire myself.”

How COULD you? You’ve just realized that your self has been wrong about 90% of the shit it was adamantly sure it was right about. How can you trust that if you let your self choose a purpose that it won’t choose wrong again?

I’m not stressing your situ (I have zero worries you’ll commit suicide), or worried about “your repressed anger issues” (lol) or giving you a ton of praise because what you’re going thru is perfectly natural. There’s no need to deal with this in any way except how you are dealing with it: asking questions and thinking and reflecting. Once you’ve sorted a lot of that out, and there’s a lot to sort, you’ll level out and start looking for a self-generated purpose. Doesn’t matter that you’re 52, if you eat right and exercise/lift you could be healthy and in control of your faculties for another 20 years. That’s plenty of time to do shit and fix shit and still end up with grandkids who admire you and a reflection in the mirror that doesn’t repulse you.

@Will
“@yareally, you’re making your claims around the viewpoint that girls act on primal impulse.”

No I’m making my claims around the direct observation in-field that girls act on primal impulse and if they hold back it takes very little minimal effort/nudging to circumvent that and they will happily circumvent it to follow their primal impulses and then backwards rationalize why it was okay to do so.

“But so do men, they have this too.”

Irrelevant. Men have to learn to control their impulses because if they don’t someone will beat the shit out of them or they’ll end up homeless or in jail. Part of why you see a 5’2″ 70lbs drunk girl trying to hit a 6’4″ 300lbs bouncer with her shoes is that consequences have been removed from women and following their primal urges, id, feels, whatever you want to call it, is encouraged and rewarded. They don’t have real impulse control because there’s no reason to and in a lot of cases they get more reward for NOT controlling it. Whereas men get punished.

“That’s like saying to girls–don’t trust any man out there b/c as soon as he sees a young hot girl he’s gonna subconsciously court her then try to sleep with her”

That would imply that when a smokin hot 10 walks in the room, men with wives don’t notice her. We know that’s not true. He may not approach and try to fuck her because he doesn’t have game or because it’s not worth the potential negative consequences (ie – Tiger Woods’ divorce or simply his blue pill scarcity conditioning of “I can only have one girl at a time so if I go for that one then I’ll lose this one”) but those are decisions based on either lack of ability or fear of consequences (if you could guarantee a guy that he can have hot high-quality college babes who won’t cause him any drama come fuck him and his wife whenever he wants and his wife will love it and encourage it especially as she gets old and loses her looks and the young college hotties won’t ask for anything and will leave the second he snaps his fingers no questions asked and he won’t have to game any of them they just magically appear at his door when he wants, every guy would take that deal).

The two aren’t equivalent because women have no lack of ability when it comes to fucking guys since they don’t need to work for it, and they have no fear of consequences because they can do whatever they want and society will celebrate them. The only time they have to work is for a high-value guy and the only time they fear consequences is when they know a high-value guy will leave them if they fuck up. What you’re describing is just talking theory and ideal/wishful thinking.

“but we both know that there are high smv alpha guys that are (somewhat) happy and satisfied for the most part with their chick and won’t give in to this urge. …its part of morals I guess.”

Like I said a woman who’s Hypergamy is triggered by her man won’t cheat. It’s nothing to do with morals that’s you trying to fit your own world view and labels on instinctive behavior so you can classify some girls as moral and some as immoral which is just the usual Madonna/whore complex that guys still holding onto hope that unicorns exist have.

“And what you’re doing is totally dismissing that girls have morals at all whatsoever. Which is fine. But I’m not sure I completely agree with that…”

So don’t agree. But what I’m saying holds up in-field. What you’re saying is just wishful thinking and clinging by your fingertips that some girls are NAWALT unicorns because it’s scary to think that they don’t exist and you will never have one.

“I’m saying sure pool boy and desk boy can do these things, but that isn’t the 100% alpha thing in the society we live in so it may be doomed for long term failure.”

Irrelevant. A girl doesn’t care what society’s (or your) definition of alpha is. She cares what makes her pussy tingle. Society can tell her that a short balding ginger or a man who’s banned from 2 countries and hated worldwide are losers but they know how to make her tingle so she dismisses all logic and follows her feels and then rationalizes it after.

“You do live in this society right? So it probably applies to you what is considered and isn’t considered alpha.”

Like the saying goes: I don’t do shit because doing it is alpha. The shit I do is alpha because I do it.

“Idk I’m just writing thoughts.”

It’s fine to ask questions but all the answers are out in the field. This isn’t waxing philosophical theory this is backwards engineering observable behavior.

“It’s not like men are the only ones brainwashed by society. Girls are too…so they might be saying “we can’t fuck the pool boy he’s not famous” etc.”

Feminism has brainwashed a ton of women. And absent anything but a resume or Internet dating profile that shows pics and lists accomplishments, a woman will follow that. But at the end of the day if the guy understands game and knows how to trigger those tingles she will toss aside her brainwashing and rationalize it so that she’s not “the bad guy” (by blaming the guy, which is part of PUA we purposely tell her it’s us being the bad influence so they can blame us instead of taking responsibility for fucking us, or by turning whatever they’re doing into “empowerment” instead of “a stupid long-term decision”)

“This is just speculation, but isn’t what you are doing/saying exactly what the feminists and fatties are saying? Just in guy terms….feminists: “you CAN be fat and short-haired…and be happy you just have to love yourself” guys: “you have to change your social wiring and accept that you can be low on the totem pole and still pull hot chicks””

No, because women’s value is in their looks, men’s value is in their behavior. An ugly girl can’t look like a 10. A guy with no job can have the same vibe and mindsets and confidence of a CEO.

“I’M NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS. It’s simply a thought I have regarding your claims/analysis so it’s open for interpretation.”

It’s all out there in-field.


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@Will
“I think it comes down to personal inner satisfaction with yourself. So like if you’re fine with being a front desk guy or pool boy that’s cool.”

You got it. It’s internal, not external. The doctor who hates his job will be lower value to a girl than the janitor who loves his job with an intense passion. That’s not what social conditioning will say but it’s how it works in reality.

“But it’ll probably be a lot harder to be satisfied as an independent at this day and age compared to the other higher status fields.”

I don’t disagree but this is still internal not external. Why will it be hard to be satisfied? Because you don’t have a BMW? Because you don’t have an expensive condo? Because you don’t have an impressive sounding job? What are the purposes of having those things? The validation/approval of others when they see your BMW or arrive at your condo or hear you’re a doctor? Whoops now you’re doing stuff to seek approval instead of doing it because you’re passionate about it.

A doctor who’s passionate about being a doctor is very high value. But most high value careers take a lot of time and energy and mean less time and energy spent learning game and while being a passionate doctor is high PASSIVE value, it gets dwarfed by someone who’s got high ACTIVE value (ie – the guy who learned to pro-actively make girls gina tingle). In the absence of men who know how to make ginas tingle, yes, the passionate doctor is super high value. He just has to hope his girl doesn’t run into a guy who can make her gina tingle more, which comes back to either locking her in the cellar or learning some game so he understands that it’s not being a doctor that makes her gina tingle it’s his passion for what he does that does it.

If you subscribe to society’s notion of what high-value is (materialistic external things) you will never be happy or high-enough-value. Society is designed to always make you feel inadequete. Even if you become a doctor there will be doctors who are cooler richer and better than you that make you feel inadequete because your self-worth is defined by comparing yourself to others.


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“High value guys with game who see the hot young girl CAN secretly court the girl and get away with it (no consequences).”

http://www.celebuzz.com/2014-04-03/did-james-franco-try-to-seduce-a-17-year-old-girl-using-instagram/

Tell these guys about how there are no consequences for a high-value man to fuck around.

“I think it’s similar to girls…I guess what I’m saying is that if a girl is with a guy who triggers her hypergamy THERE WILL BE OTHER HIGH VALUE GUYS AROUND HER but that doesn’t mean she’s gonna act on the impulse.”

Hypergamy is binary. A girl will settle for other high-value guys but she wants the highest-value guy available to her. Hypergamy makes all other guys pale as options in comparison to the guy triggering her Hypergamy.

You’re just clinging to the hope that being a doctor will be the cheat code to prevent your future unicorn from fucking other high-value guys. That belief system will MAKE HER fuck other high-value guys, because she pings off her environment for how to feel and what you feel she feels so when you feel like other high-value guys are options for her, her brain says “well he must know something I don’t, so I guess these ARE high-value options”. It’s the same way social proof works.

“But I think a girl gives tons of red flags and messages before this happens to allow you to fix it. So it’s not some instantaneous thing. Like that hypergamy switch turns off over an extended period of time.”

No. It CAN happen that way, but take some sweet innocent chick from the middle of nowhere and put her on a flight to Vegas and see what kind of “extended period of time” it takes for her to fuck some random high-value charismatic dude. And then still go home to her boyfriend and lie that she didn’t fuck anyone and rationalize that it “didn’t count” because it was Vegas.

“And having a high status career would probably give someone more access and ability enhancement with girls than the front desk or pool boy.”

Yes, having a high-value career will give you more access. But it will also come with downsides and negatives and conseqeunces like the celebs up above found out the hard way.

Go out more, your views are based on mental masturbation and trying to rationalize that as long as you become a doctor everything will be okay and you won’t have to risk your unicorn cheating on you.


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“I guess I’m just also confused with how you know that it’s been internalized.”

You know it’s been internalized when you stop comparing your value to other men. When you’ve internalized it you’ll understand that other men are all, by default, no matter what anyone else thinks, lower value than you. This won’t make sense till you get there because you’re still caught up in society’s socially conditioned value system and figuring out where you “belong” on CH’s +/- charts and needing your value to be “justified” or based on some socially approved construct instead of just internally believing that you have high-value even if you’re penniless and 300lbs with a face like Shrek.

That’s inner game. Here’s Julien on it:


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NSFW link but found this hilarious:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CuteModeSlutMode

On the left is the girl blue pill guys (and guys who still cling by their fingertips to the unicorn NAWALT notion) see. On the right is the girl guys who’ve fully swallowed the red pill see.

For the right guy in the right circumstances your unicorn on the left will act like the girls on the right. And she’ll hide it from you. And she’ll LOVE it.

If you focus on learning to BE the guy who gets the version of her on the right, then other guys will get the version of her on the left.

Would love to set one of those “watch people react to these vids” cams on blue pill guys and show them these pics, covering the right side and asking what they think of the girls and if they’d date them, then revealing the right side and capturing the reaction lol Would be fascinating as fuck.


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“When you watch the Julien video for instance, it seems A) overly simple, B) somewhat magical thinking “If I imagine it, it will be.””

It absolutely seems that way…if you don’t go out and actively apply what he’s saying and see for yourself.

Go out and approach girls for 6 months and tell them you work at Taco Bell. Tell them as if you hate it, tell them as if you’re passionate about it. Tell them you work as a doctor. Tell them you hate it, tell them you’re passionate about it. Go out with ugly clothes and approach them and do what Julien’s saying where you just dismiss them giving you shit about it.

They really DO accept whatever frame you set. The strongest frame always wins, especially with women. If your frame is that you don’t believe you’re low value, they’ll pick up on that and won’t believe it. If you believe that whatever you’re doing, thinking, wearing, being, etc. is awesome, they’ll pick up on that and believe it too. It’s literally how social proof and pre-selection works: women pinging off their environment for how to feel. It’s the same reason why if you say something offensive and apologize and backtrack the girl will get charged up about it and even more offended because you told her it’s something that she SHOULD be offended about, and why if you brush it off as no big deal she’ll lol and back off and it won’t be a big deal to her. This is the exact same concept.

This is all blatantly clear when you go out and cold approach for a few years and purposely test it.

“Being Red Pill, we tend to very much hate magical thinking, for good reason.”

Ya, me too. You know what I like more than magical thinking? Guys actually going out and cold approaching 10+ sets a night for a few years and testing this shit out in-field instead of pontificating what they think would happen. But no one fucking DOES that, they just say “I dunno brah, it seems too simple” and “I dunno if I agree with that, *I* think that women would actually bla bla”

I’m not picking on you specifically, I have no idea who you are. I’m picking on the guys who demand shitloads of evidence for something they would have evidence for if they would just fucking go out and cold approach and push their sets and actively try this shit out and see it for themselves.

If a guy wants proof it’s out there every single day and night, just waiting for him. But too many guys want to sit inside mentally masturbating until they have a 100% guarantee that they can go out and everything will just instantly go perfect and fit into their socially conditioned world-view.

“Now, tell me if I am wrong, but the misinterpretation here is thinking that it is calling into being something as opposed to opening up one’s mind to both opportunities and a different viewpoint. Or to put it another way, you are not calling something into being, but allowing something already there free reign; your potential.”

No idea what you mean lol

“What I get out of it in other words is that you are reversing the polarity on your thinking; seeing what IS possible instead of imagining what is not.”

If that helps, sure lol I’d say that’s two different things. You’re talking about potential whereas I’m talking about what you ARE, here and now. You are good enough AS-IS. Too many guys are caught up in the “if I just get this job or this 6-pack or this money or this new car or bla bla THEN I’ll be high-value” mindset. You can just BE happy, right now, as you are, with the shit you have, and a hot girl will see you as high-value BECAUSE you view yourself as high-value right here right now in this moment.

You don’t need a REASON to be happy. You don’t have to JUSTIFY being confident. You don’t have to fill out a checklist of attributes that allow you to believe you deserve hotties. You’re a man, you have a dick, that’s all you need. Game and PUA will teach you how to express that and efficiently trigger the attraction shit you need to, but the core inner shit is just understanding that you have value by DEFAULT.

Women believe they have value by default. Society taught them that, that’s why they’re entitled as fuck. They are brought up to believe that just being female grants them magic super-powers and value, and society reinforces that. So you put a doctor who’s saved thousands of lives and a dumb coke-addicted hot chick in a slutty dress and heels in the line at a nightclub and the doctor will be sitting in the lineup while the hot chick walks through the doors. She’s got James Franco Instagramming her because she took some pic in the bathroom of a bar. An ugly 6 shoots a good looking dude down at the bar because he made one little mistake or wasn’t cool enough, and she expects to get the high-value dude because she believes she’s a 10.

You’ll find most Naturals have a delusional sense of self-worth too. Usually it’s based on situational confidence (ie – in a particular environment or around particular people they feel unstoppable), but it’s not based on anything real. It’s just based on believing they’re awesome.

But all us good little chodey men who weren’t banging girls in junior high or weren’t born with a pussy are socially conditioned to feel like we are worthless pieces of shit and we have to EARN feeling high-value. We are taught that we are nothing until we become a doctor or get a 6-pack or become CEO or have a BMW because that keeps society/consumerism/etc. going. We are taught from Day 1 that girls are special and up on a pedestal. In fact if you TRY to believe you’re high-value, people will call you out on it and ask you what makes you think you DESERVE to be ALLOWED to feel high-value and try to shove you back in your little box like a good little worthless chode who knows his place at the bottom of society.

Why do girls and Naturals get to “just feel entitled and high-value”, but all the rest of the men out there aren’t allowed to? That’s socially conditioned bullshit.

I’m saying we can do the same thing. It’s just a switch in your head you flip, it doesn’t have to be justified by anything or rationalized like we were taught by society. Once you really flip that switch it changes your subcommunications around hot girls because you start acting like a guy who DESERVES them. And if you act like a guy who deserves hot girls, that implies that you have experience getting hot girls which triggers social proof, pre-selection, Hypergamy, etc.

Game is very simple when you boil it down. Literally everything comes down to “believe in yourself, just be yourself, and understand how attraction works”. That’s it.

But because guys won’t fucking listen and won’t go out and test this shit because it’s scary or they don’t want to make the time or their ego can’t handle cold approach, they make it complicated as fuck and want to watch a million videos and hypothesize all day before they go out and tell girls they work at Taco Bell and act like it’s an awesome job and see that girls really don’t give a shit and think whatever you think is cool, is cool lol

“with a postive attitude, not EVERY opportunity or goal you set you will achieve to your satisfaction”

Of course not, nothing is 100%. You’re not going to get every girl. But if you don’t truly believe in your own value it doesn’t matter if you become a doctor or a celebrity etc., you’re gonna’ get cheated on when your girl has the opportunity. Becoming a doctor or CEO etc. doesn’t automatically make you believe in your own value. There are TONS of rich good-looking dudes who have trouble getting laid and have confidence issues and depression and shit.

Guys think “oh if I just become a doctor that’ll fix everything” because society told them “doctors are confident alpha badasses”. Then they become a doctor and they still get shitty results with women and their GF cheats on them and they go “I don’t get it, I thought I beat the game! I thought I found the loophole!”

Here’s some in-field of Tyler and his better looking rich dentist buddy and the difference between how the girl reacts to your internal beliefs. Starts at 45 seconds, and at 9:30 he tells a girl she’s a dirty little whore and instigates a 3-way makeout with her and another girl and she says she’s married:

And here at 6:55 you can see Tyler keep pushing a student to keep pursuing the girl he’s with and keep plowing through resistance and awkward situs and handling her friends etc. and he asks him “How many times were you thinking of giving up?” and then after that he pushes another student to go home with some tall skinny chick.

Max is like the flamingly gayest instructor RSD has. But listen to what he says. Everything he says and does is taking the lead and setting the frame that he’s entitled to the girls he talks to even when they’re taller than him and shit:

The difference that feeling entitled and high-value by default makes is dramatic. I don’t even TELL girls what I do for work. We don’t talk about that. Because we’re busy flirting and fucking, I’m not trying to impress her because I feel like I deserve her. I don’t need to impress her, I’m the highest-value man in the room in my mind, SHE has to impress ME.

You don’t have to JUSTIFY feeling high-value. And even if you decide to do that, it’s retarded because if you base your self-worth on external attributes, if you lose those attributes you will lose your self-worth.

Put it this way: How confident is Will going to feel if he doesn’t pass med school? He’s going to feel like a piece of shit. He’ll spend the rest of his life thinking that if he had just passed that one exam his life would be so much better and he would deserve amazing girls but nope, he didn’t pass, so he’s “-1 on CH’s chart” oh no!!! And then he’ll hit 30+ and start losing his looks. UHOH!!! Another “-1 on CH’s chart”!!! AHHH!!! Might as well give up!!!

When you base your self-worth on your internal attributes they can’t be taken away. You can take away all my money and put me in a 300lbs body and I’ll approach girls fully believing that having money is dumb and that being fat is badass and sexy, and I’ll get those girls while the better looking dude in the corner feels too insecure to approach them because he isn’t a doctor.

Girls don’t give a shit. They just ping off their environment to know how to feel. When you interact with them and take over their emotions, YOU are their environment they’re pinging off for how to feel.

@Sun Wukong
“mostly thanks to YaReally drilling it in to everybody’s head around here”

It’s fucking trying sometimes lol Social conditioning has us all SO fucked up that we will make any excuse in the world to avoid believing that we could somehow have value, especially to a hot girl. I will meet fucking amazing dudes that I’m like “wow, this guy is a boss, he has tons going for him!” and he will be like a sad crying little child on the inside insecure and uncertain of his own worth…he’ll be talking to some stupid chick who works at Walmart and still lives at home with her parents and HE’S worried that HE isn’t high-value enough for her!! Because she put on a push-up bra and some heels. It’s SAD to me that I would be more confident than a doctor…it shouldn’t BE that way. That guy SHOULD be confident as fuck, but society won’t let him because even if he becomes a doctor he’ll worry if he has the right shoes, the right car, the right condo, his friends will be more successful or outgoing doctors, his friends will be lawyers and he’ll meet a girl who likes lawyers and he’ll think oh no I should’ve been a lawyer, and it’s all because society convinced him he wasn’t good enough and he didn’t go out and experiment digging his elbows into the mud to find out the reality that shit works the way that asshole YaReally kept saying.

This shit is great for society, it keeps men working hard and keeps the economy going, keeps consumerism going gotta buy the newest car gotta buy the expensive suit…great for girls, it weeds out the pussy guys who don’t have the inherent delusional confidence that Naturals have, so they can just walk past that janitor and know that he’ll self-select himself out of the running AS HE SHOULD BECAUSE EW HOW DARE HE BELIEVE HE HAS WORTH.

…but it’s not so great for the actual dude himself who ends up a fucking mess inside.

Everyone who thinks you have to be a doctor, go out for a year and tell every girl you meet that you work in a baby-grinding factory. They don’t give a shit what you do…unless they’re looking at you as Beta Bucks. And then they’re going to fuck some entitled asshole like me behind your back.

The level of discussion that goes on in a comment section like this…do you think ANY girls ANYWHERE are discussing life and purpose and shit on this kind of level?? Do you think many of them are even CAPABLE of it?? It’s all a fucking illusion, just like that cutemode/slutmode reddit forum shoves in your face. It makes me SAD that there are guys this intelligent, lifting weights, trying to better themselves, working on their purposes, etc. who would be nervous to talk to a hot girl when they see her when the only difference is that the guy was told “you have to justify feeling high-value” and the girl was told “you don’t have to justify feeling high-value”. It’s insane to me. The things a 40+yo guy can teach some silly 23yo who works at Walmart and lives with her parents, about life and his experiences and the world around her is like, not even quantifiable. But that guy has had 40 years of being told he doesn’t deserve to even TALK to her because, what, she did her hair up all nice?

Like I said before: “I don’t do the shit I do because doing that shit is alpha. The shit I do is alpha because I do it.” It’s all internal. If you can make this shit then none of that other shit matters to her, BECAUSE it doesn’t matter to you.


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P.S. The classes of meddies I’ve partied with were out literally every weekend or two getting shit-faced and fucking eachother and trying to pick girls up at the bar (the cool outgoing social ones succeeded, the chodey ones stood against the wall being chodes). Especially first year. A lot of those dudes are actual doctors/surgeons etc. saving lives and shit right now and still get to party now and then lol

Make an effort to sarge, and try to do it without alcohol ’cause you got school to focus on. It was common for them to get wasted on nights where they didn’t have shit to do but if they were on-call or had important school shit the next day they would come out and just drink water.


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“And Will has tipped his hat that that is a desire for a sweet girl 4 years his junior that is good in bed and that will stick with him in a LTR.”

No problem. Just need to find one of those virgins who’s never had sex (since virgins are more likely to not cheat), but who’s ALSO a crazy wild sex ninja like those slutty whore bar sluts. Where would she have learned to be good in bed? Shit, who knows, magic unicorn powers probably.

I want my next surgeon to be a guy who never went to med school but is also able to perform my heart transplant perfectly.

…now I’m just making fun lol But he’s already on a path to chasing an illusion bullshit goal that he won’t achieve in terms of girls, and he’s looking for confirmation that his goal is possible, and I’m not going to humor that because that’s how disillusioned 35+yo guys like Roosh are made when they realize their goal was bullshit.


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@Badpainter
Well said. Anyone who read my shit should read your follow-up.

@sjfrellc
Some of the shit the meddies were going through that they’d tell me about blew my mind. I wouldn’t be able to handle that shit. Watching them slowly learn to accept death and the reality of losing patients etc. was a big eye-opener. A lot of the shit people worry about is really silly nonsense in comparison to what they see.

@Rollo
One day we’re going to have an entire conversation that literally just consists of us linking our own writing back and forth lol

I think every dude learning game needs to read those articles and view that subreddit. Getting past the madonna/whore complex and understanding that YES that cute innocent girl in the supermarket in a baggy sweater who’s going to college to be a lawyer is the same as the girl who’s dancing up on the speaker in a mini-skirt and going home with random dudes……she just won’t be that version of herself for most guys, because most guys would judge her. Learn how to bring that side of her out and she’ll be like that for you. Stay high-value instead of comparing yourself to the guys around you, and she’ll stay like that for you while they think you’re dating a cute innocent girl in a supermarket in a baggy sweater who’s going to college to be a lawyer.

@FuriousFerret
Haven’t seen it, but I watch Fight Club like once a year and always pull something new out of it that wasn’t relevant to me years prior. It really nailed a lot of shit, I almost don’t want to view the sequel incase it doesn’t live up to it lol


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@Seraph
“YES, it is astounding how often guys need to be told that, but MANY DO. Some people have programming in their head that plays a constant stream of ‘you are not good enough’.”

Oh ya, I did too. I was exactly the same dude I’m talking to in my rant. I was fully socially conditioned, hook line and sinker. 100% chode. I have no doubt that if I hadn’t found PUA I would be divorced or in a dead-bedroom marriage with a fat chick right now. I’d probably be rich too, but I would be a mess and would probably be one of those feminist men SJWs chodes doubling-down on my belief in the system and hoping it somehow works out in the end.

But I put a lot of work into rewiring that inner thought loop shit to say “you’re awesome, of course you’re good enough” instead. It was a lot of work but now I don’t have to think about it, it’s internalized.

“I once tried to explain to a natural the non-natural mindset, and it was like someone trying to explain colors to a blind guy.”

Ask a smokin hot girl why she’s confident. She’ll say something like “well everyone likes” me. Say “ok, lots of people are liked but they aren’t confident, so what is it about you that people like? What are you basing your confidence on?” She might say something like “well, I’m pretty and fun, and smart and funny” which is code for “I don’t know, no one has ever expected me to explain why I DESERVE to see myself as high-value so I’m just saying nonsense words that I think I’m supposed to say to this”.

If you push hard enough she won’t be able to answer and will want to change the subjects because you’re pushing her into uncomfortable feels…because she’s never had to RATIONALIZE why she views herself as high-value. Society doesn’t expect her to. She’s a girl, that’s it. And when she’s young and pretty she doesn’t even understand that her looks are why everyone values her…that’s why she’ll hit the wall at 35 and have her reality shattered around her when suddenly as she ages into her 40s no one thinks she’s as “pretty, fun and smart and funny” as they used to because they don’t want to fuck her anymore.

Same with a Natural. Push him for WHY he’s confident and eventually you’ll get to the point where he goes “cuz I’m awesome dude” and wants to change the subject because it’s stupid to him. It’s stupid that he should have to rationalize why he’s awesome. His thought process is often literally “Why am I awesome? Because I’m AWESOME, DUH!!”

But the rest of the dudes out there fell into social conditioning and society wrapped chains around them and told them not to feel good about themselves. That’s why there’s some IT nerd keeping Rollo’s site running instead of fucking some smokin hot blonde model. That’s why some rich marketing exec is making bank off figuring out how to make you feel inadequate when you watch TV commercials. That’s why some girl is fucking the alpha asshole and shaming the rare chode that has the balls to think he deserves to talk to her…how could he think he has any RIGHT to talk to her?? What’s he basing that confidence off of? HE needs REASONS!

It’s all bullshit. You can’t reach your full potential in pickup until you understand and internalize this. And you can’t understand and internalize it by reading about it, even from me. The way to understand and internalize it is to go out and experience it. Hit the field and sarge sarge sarge. That’s WHY I know what the life of a meddie is like, that’s WHY I know there are rich good-looking dudes who can’t get laid, that’s WHY I can pinpoint people’s insecurities and wasteful thought processes in forum comments, because I sarge and meet people and interact with them and see that shit in-field all the fuckin’ time.

PUA and the Red Pill is not theory, it’s backwards engineering.


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@sjfrellc
“If Will embarks on his primary mission to learn medicine as best as possible with a Quality mindset and becomes the best doctor possible, he will by default feel a positive quality mindset about himself in any situation”

This simply doesn’t hold up in-field. “in any situation” is the part that’s the lie. I’ve seen grown accomplished men who KILL IT in their professions or comfort zone situations, who are scared SHITLESS when you put a hot girl in front of them. One of the RSD instructors (I think Julien) jokes about how only 2 guys have ever RUN AWAY from a bootcamp and one of them was some badass army vet dude who’d been thru war and shit but he ran off the bootcamp because he couldn’t get over his Approach Anxiety.

Climbing Mount Everest will NOT give you more confidence talking to girls. It works in THEORY, but it just doesn’t automatically translate. It theoretically CAN, like it sounds like it worked out for you, but it’s VERY rare and usually in cases where it translates to confidence talking to girls the guy was already decent with girls or fairly alpha/social to begin with…it’s not that it’s impossible, it’s just that I wouldn’t recommend going into a poker game betting all your life savings on hoping that the cards you were dealt turn out to be Aces when you flip them over.

The way to get more confident talking to girls by TALKING TO GIRLS lol

Will may end up a super badass at work, but his options for girls will be the nurses he works with (who often aren’t anywhere near as hot as they are in movies, and are often, themselves, out at bars getting fucked by more social cool dudes than the lonely doctor they work with) and those girls are shitting where he eats so he’s opening up potential career-ending drama by banging them. But he’s not thinking about that, because he hasn’t gone out and fucked a bunch of girls and seen what “potential career-ending drama” he could be in for and hasn’t thought through where these magical unicorns he’s going to settle down with are going to come from.

And he hasn’t thought about how being a doctor would even play out in-field. How is that going to look? “So what do you do?” “Oh, you know, I’m a doctor…” “OMG FUCK ME!!!! I’LL NEVER CHEAT ON YOU EVER!!!” That’s how society says it’ll work. That’s how it works in movies. That’s not how it works in real life (except with gold-diggers lol)

It’s the same as guys in college who don’t realize that once they finish college and move away for work, there won’t be frat parties every week or dorm room parties or a college campus bar or classes with hot young college chicks who want to fuck and buddies begging them to come out to the bar after class for a beer. They’ll have a few ugly coworkers and a couple chodey guys at work they might befriend who at best want to go sit in a corner at a bar being chodes getting wasted and not talk to girls.

Then reality hits and they go “…shit. Where are my options I thought I’d have? You mean I have to work an 18 hour shift at the hospital and then STILL make friends and go out to a bar and approach girls or try to open them at the grocery store when I have no idea how to do that and no experience with it?? But everyone told me that if I just focus on being good at being a doctor it’ll translate into being confident with women!! Shit!!”

It’s even WORSE when he’s still clinging onto blue pill beliefs and goals through that whole thing. It’s like expecting an amazing view when you finally climb to the top of the mountain and all you see when you get up there is a garbage dump and you realize holy shit, this got me NOTHING. And now I don’t have the time or opportunity to learn game because I’m too busy working!! WTF did I just did to myself!! Why didn’t someone like YaReally warn me?!

“I just don’t think he has embraced red pill.”

lol ya he’s not even close. He’s still rejecting it. I know I’m not going to convince him of anything, I’m writing for the lurkers and other guys reading here who aren’t still clinging to their blue pill desires for how the world “should” work.

“then it is not so hard to lessen your fears about PUA and go out sarging”

Theoretically, but in reality most guys can’t translate it to the field. Put a pretty girl in front of them and they choke on their own tongue, and that’s HELPING them…try to get them to actually pro-actively COLD APPROACH a girl they think is hot?? Pffft.

A good place to observe this (ASIDE FROM ACTUALLY GOING OUT IN THE FIELD) is watching episodes of Keys to the VIP. You’ll find a LOT of the dudes you would assume would be bosses in-field (tons going for them, lots of cocky pre-game talk about how badass they are etc.) choke like bitches when they actually have to approach and lose all sorts of sets or come off like complete manginas compared to their profiles…because they’re no longer in their comfort zones.

Bunch of episode links here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/3/#comment-heartiste-654207

See this shit all the time in-field first-hand lol It’s possible to catch pocket Aces but it sure ain’t a guarantee…convincing someone that it is isn’t doing them any favors.

No offense intended, of course, I know you’re just trying to help him…but there’s like a 99% chance he’ll end up just like your physician buddy and I’ll go “sigh, no one listens to YaReally”. lol


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@Kira
Props dude, I was a virgin till 24-ish. Keep it up, your life can go places you can’t even imagine right now if you get out there and work at it. You have all the time in the world to make up for the years you missed out on.


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@sjfrellc
“There is nothing good about a bad doctor and I’ve see plenty of mediocre and bad doctors. Going to a doctor and having him decide my healthcare scares the shit out of me.”

You and me both. I love my buddies but man, I met some dudes that made me do a lot more of my own research when I have medical questions.

@Will
“So i think youre right about STILL going out from time to time but drink water and shit. Theres just no way i can keep up with some of the drinking of the undergrads ill be hitting on. ”

Straight-up if you can do med school AND go out with your class to bars/parties but AVOID drinking and learn to mack girls SOBER in those environments (standing up to the peer pressure to get wasted and shit)? You will end up pretty much a god lol The problem is that to be successful in high-value careers takes a lot of time/work so most guys make excuses not to go out, or when they go out they get wasted and don’t learn anything and don’t get laid except random drunk sex that doesn’t teach them anything about pickup/seduction and gives them an excuse to not go out (“oh I can’t handle all that drinking and can’t say no to alcohol”), so they end up really good at their job but their social skills and especially pickup skills are stunted. That’s why I can run circles around them in set even though I’m poor as fuck (workin’ on it lol I have a lull at work for a few weeks right now that’s why I’m on here so much lately).

Funny side-note, when I rolled with high-value guys like meddies lawyers iBankers etc., girls that I talked to assumed I was one of them even though I was clearly underdressed etc. compared to them. But I gave off confident subcomms etc. so girls just assumed I must be high-value like those guys. They had no idea I don’t even have a car and for a while didn’t even have a job…my money buddies were buying expensive rounds of shots for everyone (including random girls, dem student loans!) and I couldn’t afford to even buy myself drinks a lot of the time lol it was hilarious to me.

Legit tho, try to avoid getting wasted:

The benefits that’ll come from it are insane. If I was in your situ I would tell people it’s against my religion or I have a kidney issue or some shit and CAN’T drink, so that they quit asking me to do shots and place me as just the “guy who’s fun even tho he’s sober”.

Gaming sober helps build frame control too, ’cause people will pressure you and you’ll have to hold your frame to not drink. It’s hard to do, that’s why most guys can’t lol But that frame control and resistance to social pressure you build helps in other aspects of your life.

“kinda random note: I actually like a girl who has NO idea what she’s doing in bed. then you teach her and you know shes only slept with like a few inexperienced dudes lol, just saying”

How many times have you actually DONE that? ’cause in my experience it’s not as fun as it sounds. She’s probably not going to just be a totally open book that automatically likes whatever you tell her to like. She’s going to have shit that she’s into and shit that she’s not into, the difference between her and a slutty chick is that she’s not going to know what those things are and you’re going to invest a lot more time and energy and commitment into her before you find out the thing you enjoy in bed isn’t something she likes and she hates doing it. She’s not some programmable robot lol

I’m not saying marry a slutty chick that’s taking 10 dicks up her ass a night, I’m just saying a lot of that “find a proper girl and turn her into a whore” thing isn’t always as wonderful as it seems in the fantasy. Maybe it’s worked out for you, but personally I don’t think it’s as common as people like to say. And even then where are you gonna’ meet this girl if you’re working crazy long shifts at the hospital? I can go out and chat up 10 girls and none of them end up being that perfect low-N count girl that wants to be programmed to be my sex-bot, will you even WORK with 10 fuckable girls at whatever hospital you end up at? Can’t fuck your patients.

But if you know how to game and seduce girls sober…well hey, you might be able to approach and seduce one of those girls when you go buy your lunch. You have a LOT more opportunities if you can game sober.

““oh well what if i meet this girl, and then have to move away for residency, there goes that work and game and relationship.” and it will be a horrible cycle of that until im done with training when im like late 30s.”

This WILL happen. That’s the career you chose. Relationships all get raped once you enter that stage. Expect it. The good part is you might have enough $ to fly to visit the girl you like now and then to try to maintain some kind of long-distance relationship but that’s rolling a lot of dice and I highly don’t recommend long-distance LTRs.

“well shit, i don’t have to go to med school and i can establish good healthy relationships with great girls where i’m at. like med school is cool but i love having these great relationships with girls and med school seems like it’s getting in the way of that.”

I’m not gonna’ say drop out or anything. But be aware of the realities of the profession you’re entering. I knew a guy who was so far into med school that he couldn’t quit and he confessed that he only went into it because he thought it would help him get a wife. When he realized he didn’t have any time to actually go out he was like “shit, what do I do??” Felt terrible for him. He didn’t even like med school.

You CAN make it work. But you have to want to. You have to be realistic and know that if you get into a serious LTR, having to move for work will probably fuck it over. You might be able to maintain it but it’ll take understanding red pill shit to do it.

Realistically you shouldn’t be looking to LTR in your 20s anyway. You won’t hit your prime till your 30s, esp with med shit. You should be meeting and banging random girls and having fun and learning what kind of girls you respond well to in your 20s and consider settling in your 30s. Like go into med school with that plan in mind instead of a fantasy.

Make an effort to go out with your class and be social, stay sober, study hard, learn to spin plates and fool around with a bunch of girls (wrap your dick up, cuz they’ll all want to “accidentally” get preggers by a doctor) without prioritizing them over work (that means learning emotional self-control), and EXPECT to just have fun till your 30s. You’ve chosen a career that makes it very difficult to settle down early, and in a way that’s good because you shouldn’t consider settling down till you really digest the red pill and understand what that entails and how to make that work (and NOT consume your life and ruin your career over a girl).

Read the FUCK out of Rollo’s stuff on relationships and one-itis and purpose lol

“and @yareally you’re talking to me like some chode who can’t cold approach dude….”

I don’t know anything about you lol and don’t tell us any details, stay anonymous. But despite not knowing you, I know what you’ll be like if you spend years in med school without going out and you’ll end UP as a chode who can’t cold approach. If you stop going out and approaching, atrophy will set in just like if you stop using your muscles. And right now you’ve got a class of meddies you can go out with, which is awesome…but down the road you probably will have had to move away and end your LTR and you won’t have a group of meddies that party it up. It’ll be you on your own in some new city and you’ll have to figure out how to get the opportunities you used to have when you were in a frat, know what I mean?

I’m not trying to dump on you, I appreciate that you’re listening to guys here and trying to get a realistic perspective of your future and your options, that’s why I’m not being too harsh on ya. Most guys stick their head in the sand and just plow forward and cross their fingers that it’ll all work out.


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@Will
“I’ve really only done it probably 3 times.”

lol that’s better than I expected so good on ya. I don’t have a lot of patience for teaching girls in bed so my view is biased lol Still tho, that’s 3 out of like <20 girls when you've got access to a frat and med class. Out in the "real world" your hospital crew could be uggos and crazy single moms with baggage and taken girls and girls you just don't click with, girls you aren't compatible in bed with, etc. To find 20 hot girls you're gonna' have to go hunting so expect to have to build a new social circle when you move to a new city. it's not hard to do, and ANY career you'd have to do it if you moved to a new city (unless you're like, a fashion photographer or some shit lol) but you'll want to be pro-active and expect it instead of being blindsided.

That said, to show the other side of the coin: My buddies who WERE able to be social and mack girls sober in med school had a fucking BLAST, still did great in school ('cause they weren't hungover and run ragged all the time and they developed a lot of self-control), and are doing just fine now. Some of them are in LTRs (temporary or otherwise), one flies to visit a high-quality long-distance GF, and some are still playing the field using their social skills to build new social circles to go hit the nightlife with, in no rush to settle down anytime soon.

But they're the guys who were smart about it, not the ones who wasted bar nights by getting hammered instead of focusing on approaching and tightening up their pulling skills.

Long as you're smart and prepared and realistic about what you'll have to do (aka make time to socialize sober and mack girls whenever you get the opportunity), you can have the best of both worlds. Just looking at the pros and cons and asking for advice puts you way ahead of most guys who have no idea the train they're on is headed for a brick wall lol


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“that doesn’t help for my situation either lol I’m all about the pickup it’s distracting”


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@Shiva
“Using a wingman is PUA tactic. Using PUA tactics are like putting up a facade. In terms of TRM, you have lost when you use a wingman.”

“Under PUA, all you care about is N count regardless how trashy your targets are. Look where the high N count has brought Roosh. He feels total worthlessness right now and is hamsterbating Neo masculinity while Rollo has been just Rollo.

Please do check the “Dancing Monkeys” post on TRM. PUAs just dance wilder.”

lol U R ALPHA LEVELS OVER 9000 BRO!!! LONE WOLF HOWWWWWL!!!!

@Will
“How do you control your competitiveness and jealousy with the bros that you go out with. So like if me and my wind man are out and he’s vibing with the girl I’m into and trying to work on. But then he starts kino-ing and she’s into etc.”

You got 3 options:

1) Tell your wing “dude, don’t barge in when I’m macking a girl”. If he’s a PUA he’ll understand that you can’t both fuck her and a quality wingman is worth hundreds of women and it’s better to not step on eachothers’ toes when you could both be working together to both be getting laid way more consistently.

…but he won’t be a PUA, so he’ll just call you a faggot and laugh at you. So this isn’t a great option.

2) Step up harder. Take over emotions. Most of the time a guy complains that his buddy takes attention from the girl it’s because he’s running pussy game on her (“coincidentally” this is often Naturals who run into this, who didn’t learn how to compete with actual seductive skills and is a big part of why I say Naturals do great as long as no one else interferes). “So you go to SchoolX? COOL, that’s pretty cool, ya, you know, I go to SchoolY, so ya, it’s pretty cool….COOOOOL.” You should be taking over her fucking brain sending her on an emotional rollercoaster ride where she’s fascinated by you and doesn’t GIVE a shit about meeting your buddy. She should say to him “oh, hey, so anyway” and turn back to you because she wants to engage with you more.

If your game isn’t there, then step it up. Watch some of RSD Julien’s stuff on pushing girls through emotional rollercoasters:

I had a stupidly good-looking tall Natural buddy who, when I first met him would have both girls in a set facing him captivated. I was stuck looking at the back of their heads. But over time I realized it was because I was letting him have them, I wasn’t running very tight game and I was basically stepping aside when he came in, like I would intro him to the girls and I’d just go quiet (you know, to be polite and all that) and then they would both end up wanting to fuck him and I’m stuck standing there like a tard or have to go find some other girls.

Eventually I got frustrated enough with this that I started making more of an emotional impact on the girls. I stopped WAITING for attention and TOOK attention. Get up in her space, say shit that she can’t ignore, take over her entire fuckin brain. It’s not “dancing monkey” shit, it’s understanding how to captivate her emotions and be the most amazing thing she’s seen in her life. Once I started stepping up I was able to take (or keep) the attention of the girls because I stopped running weak sloppy game.

3) Move her. If your buddy keeps sweeping in like a vulture and you know he’s gonna do it (side note: this is how a LOT of Naturals get laid…they can’t cold approach, they rely on their buddies to bring girls around or open girls and then they sweep in and start flirting with the girl to try to take her), just move her. Don’t let her meet him. As he’s coming over, turn her so her back is to him and ignore him when he tries to get your attention and just keep pumping her emotions till he goes away. Or squat and wrap your arms around her thighs and pick her up and walk her to another part of the room and set her down and keep going like nothing happened. If she asks wtf that was just say “oh I couldn’t hear you over there, so anyway–” She won’t care, girls live in the moment just change subjects. If she asks about the guy trying to talk to you and is like “isn’t that your friend?” just say “ya but he’s gay and trying to fuck me, come over here–” and turn her away from him etc.

Don’t GIVE him the opportunity to vulture her. Straight up ignore him. Another good move is as soon as you see him coming over, hold your hands out palms up to her and say “gimme your hands” (minor compliance test, you should have enough attraction by then for her to comply and give you her hands…if she says anything just interrupt and say “no shut up give me your hands” like it’s going to save her life), then raise her hands up and put them on your shoulders, squat down and wrap your arms around her waist and pick her up and carry her away from him (with her back to him so she can’t even see that he was coming over and he can’t make any eye-contact with her).

If you want to keep it simple you can just say “gimme your hand” and just WALK her away from him but sometimes a Natural will follow you…actually picking her up usually stuns them enough because it’s so unexpected that they don’t follow (plus it spikes the girl’s emotions more). Another one I like is to say “what was your name?” and hold my hand out like a handshake, she’ll say her name and shake my hand and I just lift her hand up over my shoulder, wrap my arms around her waist and hoist her up so she’s bent over my shoulder fireman style and carry her over to another area…careful with this one, bars have a lot of shit you can accidentally smack her head on lol

If your buddy is a team-player who knows to fuck off, then ya, intro him, but if he’s going to be competitive and keeps macking your girls then fuck it, all’s fair in love and war. Don’t ALLOW him to win the girl. Get her away from him like he’s made of radioactive waste.

You can bring her to meet your group after you’ve got her fully hooked, but if she’s down to bone just get her the fuck out of there. She doesn’t need to meet all your buddies.

This is why a good PUA wing is great. When my buddy’s talking to a girl I’ll keep an eye on him and if he signals me to come in, I’ll drop in and talk him up and make him look good but I’ll disqualify myself (I might mention I’m looking for a girl I saw earlier etc.) and get the fuck out of there before she gets too into me. So she ends up thinking “ok he has high-value cool friends” which DHV’s him, without thinking “aww I wanna fuck the other one”. And he’ll do the same for me. I know that while I’m talking to a girl, he’s not going to come in and interrupt unless her friends or an AMOG comes in and then he’ll come in and distract them for me.

Two solid PUAs winging eachother is unstoppable as fuck.

But sarging solo is fine too. PUA wrote the book on solo sarging. It’s just that most Naturals in college aren’t anti-social loners so they’re likely to be out at the bar with other Natural alpha bros and have to deal with this kind of thing.

Personally I prefer either solo sarging or one good PUA wing (these days I’m old so I’d rather hit a nightclub full of 21yo’s with a buddy than be the guy in his 30s there solo lol if I’m sarging a lounge or pub or something more low key then I’m happy being solo). Any more than 2 dudes on a night out is too much sausage to me. It’s very easy to find a 2-set of chick BFFs that wants to bang 2 money guys. More than 2 dudes starts fucking up all sorts of little logistics and introduces too many uncontrolled variables and unpredictability, esp if the other guys don’t know PUA and make a bunch of rookie mistakes and shit.


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“But yeah now that I think about it…I do that stuff naturally sometimes without realizing it.”

Like I always say: PUA isn’t theory, it’s backwards engineered from observing shit in-field. The AMOG, winging, shit-test defending, bitch-shield destroying, ASD-circumventing, etc. shit that we teach comes from seeing and experiencing that shit in-field from going out so much and comparing notes.

Most AMOG tech comes FROM being AMOG’ed lol Know how I know to just carry a girl away? Because some dude did it to me in-field and as I watched the girl giggle and shrug at me as if saying “sorry, what can I do? :) lol whee!!” I was like “shit, well-played”

The reason PUA gives guys an edge is that a Natural like you is just “doing stuff sometimes without realizing it”, so your % chance of “lucking into” executing that move is like, who knows, 25%, if it just happens to strike you in the moment. But a PUA is paying attention to those dynamics and has that move locked and loaded, so when he ends up in that situation he’s already either pro-actively preventing it or solving it quickly and returning to moving the interaction forward.

“Like preventing your dudes from hitting on the girl is the way to do it. That option I like best just positioning her away from the whole danger too many variables scene”

Ya, the carrying away and stuff is what I’ll do in nightclub venues more than in a pub/lounge, or outside on the street like if I have to get my girl through a crowd of AMOGs to get us into a cab and we stop for her to make sure her friends are okay or we get hotdogs or whatever and I have to fend dudes off.

But in most lower key situs all I do is circle-strafe a step or two to the side so that to keep talking to me she has to turn her back to whoever’s approaching us, and then I focus my eye-contact on her to lock her eyes on mine and I say stuff that will spike her emotions and get her laughing or outraged or touching me, basically anything that’s noticable to other people…I’ve found that a lot of dudes will get scared off from interfering if they try to get our attention (or are on their way over to try) and they see the girl suddenly laugh and touch me or go through a big emotional shift because they interpret that as “ah shit, he’s already got her, no chance for me”. The guy doesn’t even really feel “dissed”, he just chalks it up to bad timing/luck on his part that she “happened to” suddenly emotionally spike over me as he was walking over etc. (not realizing that I’m doing that on purpose).

Again, if my buddy is cool and I know he’s not going to try to fuck with my set then I’ll intro him and it’s all good. And I purposely don’t hang out with guys that don’t have game if I can avoid it (my social circle right now now that I’ve moved to a new city is VERY small compared to the last city I was in where I was often out in groups of 3-10 dudes with various game from anti-game to no-game to Natural game). Like this time I’m being very selective with who I hang with ’cause I much prefer going out playing as a team over competing esp as I get older.


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“Be careful to calibrate the ‘prevention’ strategy so it doesn’t cross into ‘mate guarding’ territory. If she pick up a vibe that your shielding her from other dudes it could look needy. Thoughts Ya?”

You’re gonna look a lot more “mate guardy” standing there trying to compete head to head with your bro for her attention in a “2 guys talking to 1 girl” arrangement than you are just moving her before she even notices another guy is coming over. Prevention is always better than solution.

Just be cool about it. Don’t dwell on it like “I HAVE TO GET YOU AWAY FROM MY BUDDY HE’S GOING TO TRY TO FUCK YOU COME WITH ME LET’S TALK ABOUT MY BUDDY AND WHY YOU NEED TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM!!!” (hell that’ll just make her curious about him) You just treat it like you’re brushing her hair out of her face or setting down your drink, like it’s no big deal and you don’t even draw attention to it, you just do it and then resume talking and change subjects and if she asks just brush it off with some “oh I can hear you better now, so anyway–” instead of engaging in a discussion about it. She’s a girl, she lives in the moment, just engage her with a new topic like she’s a 5yo you just redirected away from walking in the wrong direction, don’t make it a big deal.


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lol at the drama holy shit

@Will
Ya when Julien and Tyler do those speeches they’re just riffing off the top of their heads so the examples they spit out usually aren’t amazing cause they’re trying to think “what will a room full of spergs be able to understand”

Like Julien in-field will call girls “dog” because it’s self-amusing to him (most Naturals humor is self-amusement, they try to make THEMSELVES laugh instead of trying to make other people laugh) and he makes it work and they love him for it. But then he’s like “so you could say like “dog!”” And then he looks around the room and 4 spergs are eagerly scribbling down “TELL GIRLS THEY ARE DOGS.” and are gonna go out that night calling every girl they meet a dog without any idea how to calibrate it or why it works for Julien and not them and why girls hate them and the bouncer is throwing them out lol

You gotta understand PUA was built from the ground up to give even the lowest value dude a gameplan. So someone with decent Natural skills should be listening to it and just taking what’s useful and the overall strategies etc. and applying his own style and humor to it to make up his own shit that just follows the optimal structure.

Like PUA is ultimately just a structure that says “this is how to deal with situations and how to efficiently go from “hello” to sex with a random girl whether you’re solo or with 10 bros”. All the routines and shit are just training wheels for the newbies cause a lot of these guys are guys that weren’t in your frat they were in the computer lab or watching anime on a Friday night lol

Even mystery said back in the day that guys should try to use his structure to come up with their own routines and shit because he didn’t want a bunch of mini-Mystery’s walking around in fuzzy hats (but of course that happened anyway)

The stuff a guy like you would want to take from pickup is the overall concept more than the nitty gritty details/examples. Juliens vid on passing shit-tests basically boils down to “hold your frame and brush it off and change subjects if she’s offended, and if she won’t let it go then calibrate and apologize and move on”.

You don’t captivate the girl’s emotions or she wouldn’t be talking to your buddy so take the concept of what he’s doing when he says make an impact. Figure out how to make an impact on her, pushing her emotions up and down. Get her focused 100% on you, not half talking to you and half open to other opportunities.

Mystery method was really just “look before she’ll fuck you she needs comfort and before she’ll feel comfortable she needs to feel she has rapport with you and to want rapport with you she needs to feel the spark of attraction” and all the routines and shit he gave (I don’t use any of them and haven’t in years) were just for the really socially awkward dudes who don’t have their own personal sense of humor or self-amusement and need word by word steps on what to say and do.

I don’t give many examples of my own verbals because I know most of the guys reading wouldn’t be able to pull them off because they’re tailored to my personal sense of humor and are generally pretty offensive but I have a lot of calibration. Telling a newbie to say some of the shit I say would be a disaster lol

But WHAT I say isn’t important. What’s important is WHY I say it and how it leads toward progressing the interaction forward.

Right now your game is based on situational confidence. You have your 10 bros and a bunch of girls and you just pick one off (probably the one that’s checking you out) so you’re STARTING with social proof, her wanting rapport, comfort since you know some of the same people or go to the same school, etc. so by the time you talk to her you don’t really have much work left to do, just be cool and escalate and it’s done. That’s why your buddy can come take your girl, cause you aren’t really “gaming her” you’re just “not fucking up” lol

PUA was backwards engineered by guys who were walking into venues as anonymous unknowns and trying to pull off pure cold approach. A lot of times guys like you get into the “real world” of hitting the bar scene without your college comfort zones and the girls there give no fucks because they don’t know your friend who knows your other friend and you’re there with some chodey buddy from work who was the only one who wanted to go out cause the other guys are work are married etc.

So take from the vids what you can. Ignore what doesn’t help. You should know how to build social circles and shit when you get out into the real world. A lot of it is just building rapport with people and pro-actively grabbing numbers and keeping in touch, it’s really not hard.

Next time you’re out with your buddies try peeling off to a different part of the venue like another room or the opposite side and try cold approaching a chick who hasn’t seen you and them partying yet. That’s closer to what you’ll be in for in the “real world” lol. Try going out solo to a bar you’ve never been to and approach a few sets.

A LOT of guys who do well in your situ choke hard when they don’t have their group and the easy warm approach invites and shit to rely on. And even when they have those things a lot of times they still don’t have CHOICE. They often end up with girls that chose them while they watch the one they REALLY want pass by because she’s not a part of their group and the girl that’s giving him eye contact in his group is “cute enough” etc

Also don’t listen to guys scolding you online lol this isn’t the army, guys you’re just some online voice not his personal drill sergeant jesus

Like anything in life just take what’s useful and discard what isn’t.

@anti-gamers/anti-RPs/anti-PUAs

The reason a guy like Will ends up ignoring insanity’s shit is because what we’re saying actually lines up with what he sees and experiences in life. We understand and can explain what’s happening while you want him to just stop thinking and looking for answers. You want him to accept chaos, we want to help him turn it into order and control it.

And the reason guys listen to PUA is that we provide actual actionable steps to solve situations instead of shitty advice like “bro an alpha male doesn’t need other men reread 400 pages of archives until my vague advice makes sense to your inner wolf howl” mental masturbation. We say look your situ is common here are some ways you can try to solve it and here’s the conceptual structure underneath that that you can tweak to suit your style now get out there and try it and see what happens.

I don’t care if you give your line wolf howl advice, go nuts, it’s good advice, but don’t shit on PUA and try to convince a guy who could get use out of the answers that he shouldn’t look at it. That’s feminist level “I’LL TELL YOU WHATS SAFE AND APPROVED TO LOOK AT, DONT THINK FOR YOURSELF” bullshit. Will is perfectly capable of deciding what’s bullshit and what works for him and his situ.