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Learn To Touch Women Sooner Rather Than Later

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YaReally
on May 31, 2015 at 9:41 am
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““well what would she say about us talking…” I say “that doesn’t concern her now does it” and move to try and set something up for later with her. It becomes clear though that she is a No Married Guys girl”

(facepalm)

If this is your default reply to that shit then it’s not that they’re No Married Guys girls it’s that you’re telling them you’re cheating on your wife (low-value behavior, you promise one thing and do another, you have to hide your sexual desires from your wife instead of being open about them, she doesn’t know if your wife is going to be some crazy jealous bitch that tries to kill her (yes they worry about that these days), her friend got cheated on and cried for days and she doesn’t wanna be a part of that, she may be a unicorn who respects monogamy, etc). Tell them something like “it’s fine, we have an agreement. She knows I play around on my own time.” (high-value behavior, you have a chick who’s married you despite knowing you tap hot waitresses so you must be valuable for her to overlook that, and you are open and up front about your sexual nature and your wife accepts it and you have an honest relationship that the average dude who has to sneak around his promises isn’t alpha enough to have, your relationship is no longer labelled as a monogamous committed promise in her mind so if she’s a unicorn who respects marriage/monogamy her hesitations no longer apply because you’ve redefined your situ as not the type of thing she would normally have reservations about since your situ is “different”) then change the subject fast ideally something that emotionally hits her like qualifying/teasing her “I’m surprised you don’t have a ring yourself. It’s because you meet guys in the bar. Can’t trust guys you meet at the bar you know, we’re trouble…” etc etc

That shit was a done deal. Yes the response you gave CAN work (some girls are turned on by taking another woman’s man bla bla) but it’s low % as fuck compared to something more optimal.



YaReally
on May 31, 2015 at 2:57 pm
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response in mod, like always.



Changing Your Programming

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YaReally
on May 25th, 2015 at 6:34 pm
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Haven’t read this yet, just dropping in to leave a note:

@Glenn
Left you a new message on the last thread, just want to make sure you don’t miss it.


Changing Your Programming

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YaReally
on May 25th, 2015 at 6:34 pm
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Haven’t read this yet, just dropping in to leave a note:

@Glenn
Left you a new message on the last thread, just want to make sure you don’t miss it.


Changing Your Programming

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YaReally
on May 26th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
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Just a note ’cause I skimmed and saw the “using PUA to try to fill blue pill goals” thing…I gotta think on that some more but at first glance I can’t say I disagree with that.

It actually scratches the itch that I have with a lot (a LOT…LOTTTTTTT) of the Manosphere especially but also PUA/TRP (Mystery’s a good example), but mostly the Manosphere…guys approach it without fully swallowing the red pill. They do all this stuff and learn all this shit and bang all these girls but they’re still holding on with finger-tip grasp to the blue pill idea that after they do all this they’re going to find that one true unicorn to settle with.

That’s why they rant about how the women are all magical unicorns in other countries and if you just go there THAT’S where you’ll find the unicorn! Those women will be DIFFERENT! You won’t have to game them you won’t have to attract them you can slack off on all this stuff you’ve learned to do once you find that one unicorn!

It’s clinging to something that never existed in the first place and Roosh sounds like he’s reaching the point where he’s realizing “shit, I can’t find a unicorn…” So his plan is to somehow MAKE unicorns by trying to make civilization go back to a period where he thinks women were all unicorns because that’s how movies and TV say women used to be.

The difference for a guy like me or Tyler is that we looked at the matrix and said “ok, we’re not GOING back. If this is reality then we’re going to figure out how to work INSIDE this reality”. So Tyler has 2 kids and a baby mama but isn’t legally married and his LTR brings girlfriends for him and her to threesome and lets him go fly around the world fucking other girls and he has multiple girlfriends etc. Because he’s decided the traditional LTR was based on incorrect ideas and he’s trying a new way of doing things. Maybe it’ll work, maybe it’ll blow up in his face, who knows, but he’s trying something different that aligns with the red pill reality he’s seen.

I’m the same way, I have no interest in an LTR because I fully understand what they’re about and their dynamics and the pros and cons instead of having rose-colored glasses on. I know that even if I find a really cool chick, it’ll still be work and we’ll have rough times and good times and she’ll have some flaws and ideally we make it thru it all but it’s not going to be some walk in the park magic unicorn girl who floats down from the heavens and then we just live happily ever after. Even if I find an amazing chick there is a chance that if I slack off and let myself become shitty (stop setting goals for myself, just sit on the couch watching reruns on TV etc.) she’ll lose attraction for me and bail. So I know that if I get into an LTR I’ll have to still keep my shit together. There’s not some unicorn that’s just going to be flawless from the start and unconditionally love me no matter what. That’s a blue pill goal/dream. It’s a myth.

Does that mean it can’t be relatively “easy” with the right girl? Of course not, as long as I screen for a quality chick who’s on the same page as me we should have a good healthy relationship, as long as I accept that there will still be points that require work and I won’t get to just rest on my laurels and quit being awesome. Part of why I don’t want to get into an LTR is that since I know they’re going to require work anyway, like I have to still stay awesome in an LTR just like when I’m single, why not be single and get the benefit of a variety of poon for the same amount of effort lol

My buddies tell me about their LTR problems and I just shake my head thinking “if you had stuck to the red pill principles instead of slacking off, you wouldn’t be having this problem”.

So I can enjoy the lifestyle and enjoy the process, because I gave up on the blue pill ideal of “2.5 kids, mortgage, white picket fence, legally married wife who dotes on me and never leaves me and stands by my side thru thick and thin” etc. I might decide I want kids one day but if I do it will be outside of legal marriage structure since that’s insane for a dude to agree to, and it’ll be with a woman who I’ve screen for bi-tendencies and/or non-jealousy where I’ll be able to still fool around if I’m off on a business trip or have a fuckbuddy on the side etc with no problems.

That’s why I watch everything Tyler puts out about relationships, ’cause he’s exploring having kids while banging around etc. while other guys are crying about how “women have chaaaaanged waaaaaahhh I want the ooooold wayyyy!! :( :( :( why can’t it be the old waaaayyy wahhhh”. Same with Blackdragon and all his stuff about mLTRs. And recently Adam Lyons made the news with some interesting views on being in an LTR with 2 chicks (ya ya cuckold bla bla be like Bruce Lee “absorb what is useful, discard what is not” I liked his point that “people say it’ll fuck the kid up but most kids these days are raised by single parents in two households who hate eachother and we have 3 loving parents all there for him”) Even MGTOWs (the ones who date) have some good ideas on having adamant boundaries/rules they don’t allow women to get away with crossing because their freedom is more important to them than having a girl around.

And who knows maybe one day I’ll be contributing a “how to have a one-sided oLTR where you can have kids with a chick and fuck around on her and she’s cool with it” guide as I gain my own experience.

Am I the ideal? No of course not, but I’m approaching Roosh’s age and have none of the angst and bitterness he and his forum members have. And Tyler is Roosh’s age and is skipping through life like he’s living on a fucking care bear rainbow lol Swallow the red pill FULLY, accept reality as it FULLY is, and set yourself free…anything less is a trap.

Are these guys’ and my own life going to turn out perfect? Who knows. But we’re at least trying to explore new paradigms instead of crying about how no one in the schoolyard will play the game with the rules we want them to play with.

I think there are VERY few men who would be opposed to the idea of having a relationship where their GF is faithful to them, they get to bone all the side poon they want, they get to have kids with their quality GF, and they’re not tied into the legal system that incentivizes women to destroy their lives. …it’s just that no one really knows how to pull that off yet ’cause everyone is too in scarcity to try it out and see what happens.

When you cling to your blue pill goals/dreams, you never really swallow the red pill. And when you hit 36 and realize the girls around you aren’t conforming to your blue pill goals because you refused to accept that things are different now and refuse to realign your perceptions and expectations, you get Roosh.

Lotta wisdom in this movie that applies to a lot of levels of swallowing the Red Pill.


Changing Your Programming

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YaReally
on May 26th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
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Just a note ’cause I skimmed and saw the “using PUA to try to fill blue pill goals” thing…I gotta think on that some more but at first glance I can’t say I disagree with that.

It actually scratches the itch that I have with a lot (a LOT…LOTTTTTTT) of the Manosphere especially but also PUA/TRP (Mystery’s a good example), but mostly the Manosphere…guys approach it without fully swallowing the red pill. They do all this stuff and learn all this shit and bang all these girls but they’re still holding on with finger-tip grasp to the blue pill idea that after they do all this they’re going to find that one true unicorn to settle with.

That’s why they rant about how the women are all magical unicorns in other countries and if you just go there THAT’S where you’ll find the unicorn! Those women will be DIFFERENT! You won’t have to game them you won’t have to attract them you can slack off on all this stuff you’ve learned to do once you find that one unicorn!

It’s clinging to something that never existed in the first place and Roosh sounds like he’s reaching the point where he’s realizing “shit, I can’t find a unicorn…” So his plan is to somehow MAKE unicorns by trying to make civilization go back to a period where he thinks women were all unicorns because that’s how movies and TV say women used to be.

The difference for a guy like me or Tyler is that we looked at the matrix and said “ok, we’re not GOING back. If this is reality then we’re going to figure out how to work INSIDE this reality”. So Tyler has 2 kids and a baby mama but isn’t legally married and his LTR brings girlfriends for him and her to threesome and lets him go fly around the world fucking other girls and he has multiple girlfriends etc. Because he’s decided the traditional LTR was based on incorrect ideas and he’s trying a new way of doing things. Maybe it’ll work, maybe it’ll blow up in his face, who knows, but he’s trying something different that aligns with the red pill reality he’s seen.

I’m the same way, I have no interest in an LTR because I fully understand what they’re about and their dynamics and the pros and cons instead of having rose-colored glasses on. I know that even if I find a really cool chick, it’ll still be work and we’ll have rough times and good times and she’ll have some flaws and ideally we make it thru it all but it’s not going to be some walk in the park magic unicorn girl who floats down from the heavens and then we just live happily ever after. Even if I find an amazing chick there is a chance that if I slack off and let myself become shitty (stop setting goals for myself, just sit on the couch watching reruns on TV etc.) she’ll lose attraction for me and bail. So I know that if I get into an LTR I’ll have to still keep my shit together. There’s not some unicorn that’s just going to be flawless from the start and unconditionally love me no matter what. That’s a blue pill goal/dream. It’s a myth.

Does that mean it can’t be relatively “easy” with the right girl? Of course not, as long as I screen for a quality chick who’s on the same page as me we should have a good healthy relationship, as long as I accept that there will still be points that require work and I won’t get to just rest on my laurels and quit being awesome. Part of why I don’t want to get into an LTR is that since I know they’re going to require work anyway, like I have to still stay awesome in an LTR just like when I’m single, why not be single and get the benefit of a variety of poon for the same amount of effort lol

My buddies tell me about their LTR problems and I just shake my head thinking “if you had stuck to the red pill principles instead of slacking off, you wouldn’t be having this problem”.

So I can enjoy the lifestyle and enjoy the process, because I gave up on the blue pill ideal of “2.5 kids, mortgage, white picket fence, legally married wife who dotes on me and never leaves me and stands by my side thru thick and thin” etc. I might decide I want kids one day but if I do it will be outside of legal marriage structure since that’s insane for a dude to agree to, and it’ll be with a woman who I’ve screen for bi-tendencies and/or non-jealousy where I’ll be able to still fool around if I’m off on a business trip or have a fuckbuddy on the side etc with no problems.

That’s why I watch everything Tyler puts out about relationships, ’cause he’s exploring having kids while banging around etc. while other guys are crying about how “women have chaaaaanged waaaaaahhh I want the ooooold wayyyy!!😦😦😦 why can’t it be the old waaaayyy wahhhh”. Same with Blackdragon and all his stuff about mLTRs. And recently Adam Lyons made the news with some interesting views on being in an LTR with 2 chicks (ya ya cuckold bla bla be like Bruce Lee “absorb what is useful, discard what is not” I liked his point that “people say it’ll fuck the kid up but most kids these days are raised by single parents in two households who hate eachother and we have 3 loving parents all there for him”) Even MGTOWs (the ones who date) have some good ideas on having adamant boundaries/rules they don’t allow women to get away with crossing because their freedom is more important to them than having a girl around.

And who knows maybe one day I’ll be contributing a “how to have a one-sided oLTR where you can have kids with a chick and fuck around on her and she’s cool with it” guide as I gain my own experience.

Am I the ideal? No of course not, but I’m approaching Roosh’s age and have none of the angst and bitterness he and his forum members have. And Tyler is Roosh’s age and is skipping through life like he’s living on a fucking care bear rainbow lol Swallow the red pill FULLY, accept reality as it FULLY is, and set yourself free…anything less is a trap.

Are these guys’ and my own life going to turn out perfect? Who knows. But we’re at least trying to explore new paradigms instead of crying about how no one in the schoolyard will play the game with the rules we want them to play with.

I think there are VERY few men who would be opposed to the idea of having a relationship where their GF is faithful to them, they get to bone all the side poon they want, they get to have kids with their quality GF, and they’re not tied into the legal system that incentivizes women to destroy their lives. …it’s just that no one really knows how to pull that off yet ’cause everyone is too in scarcity to try it out and see what happens.

When you cling to your blue pill goals/dreams, you never really swallow the red pill. And when you hit 36 and realize the girls around you aren’t conforming to your blue pill goals because you refused to accept that things are different now and refuse to realign your perceptions and expectations, you get Roosh.

Lotta wisdom in this movie that applies to a lot of levels of swallowing the Red Pill.


Changing Your Programming

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YaReally
on May 26th, 2015 at 5:34 pm
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Two good Tyler vids on the subject of realigning your expectations/goals:

One good example of this dynamic is what do we know makes a man attractive?:

– he doesn’t NEED the girl to complete him
– he has a purpose that isn’t HER, SHE is not his purpose
– he has options and she worries that she could be replaced
– he can WALK AWAY at any point if she doesn’t keep herself in shape or keep putting out or becomes unpleasant he can just end it and take off
– he does what he wants when he wants
– he’s socially proofed, girls wanna fuck him, guys wanna be him
– he’s driven, he has intent and goals and dreams to achieve
– he’s the leader of men, leader of a wolf pack, high-value and his buddies are probably high-value like him but he’s the best of them
– he takes pride in himself, he’s well groomed and other girls go “wow you’re a lucky girl” when they see her catch
– he views himself as the prize
– he’s mysterious, there are things she doesn’t know about him or where he’s going or who he’s with that her hamster can chew on and fill in…she doesn’t know that his job is just some menial bullshit and he gets chewed out by the boss every day ’cause she isn’t there to see it, she just sees him put on his suit and go off to do something like she saw on Mad Men and comes home with money for food and the roof over their head
– he has solid boundaries and rules and expectations and anyone who doesn’t live up to them he cuts them out and doesn’t take shit

Pretty badass dude, hey? A chick meets that guy and is like wow, this is a stallion. And the first year is awesome.

Then what do they do? Well they follow society’s LTR script. This isn’t EVERY relationship, there are a few cases that work out here and there…but this is the VAST MAJORITY of the average guy these days:

They move in together. No more mystery, she sees him every single night, she sees him sitting in his boxers surfing YouTube, they see him when he’s sick and helpless, maybe he works from home and they see that his job is just “playing on the computer” which isn’t the sexy fantasy they envisioned when he was wearing a suit heading off to the office. She sees him unkempt and ungroomed, she sees him when he’s sad and defeated at his lowest points. She comes home to see him sitting on the couch eating pizza and watching TV.

He stops socializing. His buddies are a “bad influence” and he’s wrapped up in new relationship feels so he stops hanging out with them either by his GF’s orders or by his own voluntarily prioritizing her over his lifelong bros because she has a pussy. He stays in to watch DVDs with her on fri/sat nights and her friends become his friends (because SHE’S still social). He’s no longer the leader of anyone and some of his buddies become way higher-value than him because hey, he’s in an LTR, he can relax now, he’s just sitting on the couch watching TV while his single buddies are off taking on the world. He has the occasional poker game (with more beer to help fatten him up ’cause hey, he’s got an LTR why bother taking care of himself, he’s WON the game!!!) and his buddies have either become losers like him or are too high-value to come hang out in a basement playing poker with guys who don’t want to do anything with their lives.

When he does occasionally go out, he has no idea how to talk to or flirt with women anymore ’cause it’s been so long and he feels guilty doing it anyway, and, you know, only some jerk player would do that, he’s a REAL MAN who’s faithful to his woman he would never disrespect her by flirting with the cute waitress. That would be MEAN!! Plus, you know, he’s kind of let himself go a bit now that he takes a closer look in the bathroom mirror at the Denny’s they’re at. He has no more social proof, no more social circle, he’s let himself go and he doesn’t view himself as the prize anymore…maybe a booby prize.

In fact he’s lucky his girl is with him and he knows it! His friends and her friends all make sure to remind him. So does the media he wastes his day consuming. She’s still attractive enough to have guys orbit and chase her so he knows he better try real hard to keep her!! I mean, he’s become so pathetic that if he lost her, god, it would be terrible, he’d have to go out to BARS again…and try to PICK UP girls…oh god, it was hell the first time. I mean…maybe it was fun sometimes, he can’t really remember it’s been a while, but he’s pretty sure it was terrible and he hated it and he’s much happier now. I mean back then he had to go weeks and months without getting laid sometimes!! …although his GF hasn’t really been putting out lately. But you know, she’s got that stomach problem and all…plus he’s put on some pounds and wearing crappy cheap clothes that are comfortable ’cause his GF when they started dating told him she likes when a guy doesn’t care about his looks.

So he better not fuck it up and lose her…she wants him to do something he doesn’t want to do? He better do it!! Who cares what he wants, happy wife happy life right?? Plus that Jezebel article said men who do more housework get laid more and all the women in the comment section probably aren’t huge ugly old harpies and they said they’re turned on when their man does the dishes! Maybe THAT’S how he can get laid again…he sure does miss sex…he didn’t expect to be jacking off to porn in his 30s (hidden of course, wouldn’t want the GF to know he still has a sex drive or to catch him looking at porn of hotter girls) like he did when he was 14…why won’t his wife just give him a handjob or something when he begs for one, he just doesn’t get it…she USED to love fucking him, they used to bang all over the place even in public! Huh, well, maybe she’s just getting old…I mean he’s 30+ now. And he feels old. Sure the pizza and lethargic lazy lifestyle could be contributing to his feeling old but, you know, that’s how it naturally goes right?

Things aren’t going amazing but, you know, comfort and all. Comfort is really the best part of relationships right? That sex like bunnies thing that’s just for new couples. You’re right, girlfriend, that could IS gross putting on PDAs like that….wait…didn’t we used to do that? hmm…can’t remember, it’s been a while.

But hey, you know what’ll fix things? GET MARRIED!! I mean, it’s pretty much time. You don’t really want to do it and you’ve heard your single buddy mention something about a divorce rate and sure most of his buddies have been through a divorce or two but, you know, you have a unicorn, that’s those other guys who marry CRAZY BITCHES that get divorced lol that won’t happen to YOU. So it’s probably okay. You don’t really see the benefit in it for you, it seems expensive, really it’s going to empty half your life savings, but her mom and friends are all badgering you and she’s looking sad, so it doesn’t really matter if you don’t want to do something, relationships are about COMPROMISE right? So okay let’s get married! Prenup? Nahh you’re right, those DO imply that I don’t love you. Baby you’re the center of my world, I’m nothing without you, YOU COMPLETE ME!!

Well hey now that we’re married, we need a house. Sure let’s get wrapped up in the legal work together so you own part of it too. This married life sure is bliss, aside from how expensive it was. But hey now we can have kids and stuff so that’s great! I don’t mind 9 months without sex, it’s not like we have sex very often anymore anyway…I try to initiate but, you know, she’s got that stomach problem. In fact we fought about it the other night…big fight actually. And you know what, I thought I was totally in the right but I ended up having to sleep on the couch. That thing is so uncomfortable! I still think I was right but, you know, happy wife happy life, and that couch hurts, so I apologized for whatever it was she thinks I did wrong and told her I’ll do whatever it takes to make her happy. Just like I said on my wedding day! …but she’s still mad. Can I maybe crash on your couch dude? I slept in the car the other day because she wouldn’t let me sleep on the couch, but my back really hurts from all this weight I’ve gained…

And where does that lead? Well now this guy is legally locked into this relationships so he absolutely cannot leave or the child support and alimony will ruin him…and on top of it she’s legally INCENTIVIZED by the system TO ditch him and eat pray love go find herself…which since he’s become such a pathetic sack of shit, I mean, why WOULDN’T she? She’d miss her kids sure, but, you know, her divorce lawyer said EVERY divorce case gets tough and she should bite first and file a restraining order, doesn’t she love her kids doesn’t she want them to live with her, it’s for the kids they’ll understand when they’re older. And hey, he’s the deadbeat dad loser who got divorced…she’s the wonderful unicorn queen who escaped the terrible loser (abusive, as she’ll tell the next guy so she doesn’t sound like she’s selfish) husband. Society will prop her up as a hero and tell her “you GO grrrl!!” Really this divorce thing sounds pretty good. She’s been fucking her boss at work lately and feeling a little guilty (although really it’s not her fault…that boss is a jerk who just bent her over his office desk and railed her he’s such a wild stallion!! and her husband isn’t the man she used to know and he’s emotionally distant or something, ya that sounds good), so now she can fuck her boss guilt-free!

‘course after the divorce he’s fat, lazy, old, sloppy, has no social skills, no idea how to flirt, has no friends to go out with to meet girls and doesn’t have time to anyway because he has to work harder to pay his alimony and child support so he can see his kids every second weekend if she lets him but boy it sure is lonely most nights…he didn’t expect to be jacking off to porn at age 45 like he’s 14 again.

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……..and men repeat this INSANE PATTERN. Every fucking DAY. You, reading this, probably know or have been or ARE this exact fucking guy.

Society’s plan is literally designed to neutralize every attractive trait a man has when he first gets a girl. It’s insanity.

Compare that to something like this:

The guy refuses to give up his one or two nights out with the boys, no matter what. He maintains his social circle and his network and stays socially sharp and flirts with girls when he’s out with his buddies, even if he doesn’t actually bang those girls.

Because he’s going out, he maintains his looks. Keeps hitting the gym regularly and keeps his grooming and style up. Other guys his age are fat and sloppy but he looks as good as he did 10 years ago. He’s social enough, from all his time socializing, that he doesn’t really need alcohol so he’s not boozing it up all the time, he’s just out being a cool social guy with his buddies and meeting new people, maybe networking for a better job or other ambitions he has.

The guy moves in with his girl but maintains a separate apartment on the other side of town that he calls his office. It has a desk etc. to actually do work at (incase he works from home, he instead travels to here to work so he keeps some mystery) and it’s an apartment with a bed and shower and fridge/stove etc. (incase he works late, of course, he doesn’t want to wake his GF up or drive when he’s tired).

Now if they have a one-sided open LTR where he’s allowed to play around now and then (because he properly screened for a girl who’s bi-sexual and not jealous and understands that men like variety and he DIDN’T SETTLE DOWN with girls who DON’T feel that way), as long as he prioritizes her and plays safe and makes sure she knows the other girls don’t mean anything to him, he now has a place he can bang those girls. He can shower up, change clothes, etc.

If he gets into a fight with his girl? No sleeping on the couch. He can just walk out and spend a week at his office living in complete comfort, sleeping in a warm bed, maybe even banging an FB, eating good healthy meals etc. until his GF realizes that she was being retarded and misses him and he allows her to apologize and comes back.

People pressure him to marry her but he’s prepared for that discussion and has a bunch of stats and facts to back his side up, pointing out how shitty other relationships are and thwarts people’s objections to their arrangement effortlessly, and then wraps it up with a romantic little speech about “wanting to always feel like I have to be our best for eachother and not take eachother for granted and choose eachother every day” and he’s trained his girl to spout that “it works for us”.

When they have a kid and house (in his name etc.) and are in full settle down mode, he keeps the office for when he needs to get some peace and quiet and get some work done, and he tones down going out (but never eliminates it completely) and GOES OUT to meet his buddies at a bar somewhere instead of sitting in his basement which is “easier” but less mysterious. Maybe he doesn’t bone other girls and has toned the flirting down a bit, but occasionally he comes home a bit later than he said he would, juuuuust to keep her on her toes with a tiny bit of dread game now and then so she stays in shape and doesn’t take him for granted.

That’s my first draft at least. Will it work? I don’t know, maybe maybe not I’m not a fuckin wizard.

But if you offer me those two plans and tell me to choose between them, that second one sure sounds a helluva lot more appealing. That first plan isn’t guaranteed to work out either, and I like the sound of mine.

…but to SUCCEED at mine, you have to throw out a whole lot of blue pill ideas about how society should work and how love should work and how attraction should work and how women should BE etc. etc. You have to fully embrace the red pill and accept reality as it IS, and be COOL with it and LIKE that it’s that way.

Like Yoga said “Do or do not.” Like Mr Miyagi said: “Karate do, karate don’t” “left side of road good. right side good. middle of road? squish like grape.”

Just let go and embrace the red pill.


Changing Your Programming

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YaReally
on May 26th, 2015 at 5:34 pm
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Two good Tyler vids on the subject of realigning your expectations/goals:

One good example of this dynamic is what do we know makes a man attractive?:

– he doesn’t NEED the girl to complete him
– he has a purpose that isn’t HER, SHE is not his purpose
– he has options and she worries that she could be replaced
– he can WALK AWAY at any point if she doesn’t keep herself in shape or keep putting out or becomes unpleasant he can just end it and take off
– he does what he wants when he wants
– he’s socially proofed, girls wanna fuck him, guys wanna be him
– he’s driven, he has intent and goals and dreams to achieve
– he’s the leader of men, leader of a wolf pack, high-value and his buddies are probably high-value like him but he’s the best of them
– he takes pride in himself, he’s well groomed and other girls go “wow you’re a lucky girl” when they see her catch
– he views himself as the prize
– he’s mysterious, there are things she doesn’t know about him or where he’s going or who he’s with that her hamster can chew on and fill in…she doesn’t know that his job is just some menial bullshit and he gets chewed out by the boss every day ’cause she isn’t there to see it, she just sees him put on his suit and go off to do something like she saw on Mad Men and comes home with money for food and the roof over their head
– he has solid boundaries and rules and expectations and anyone who doesn’t live up to them he cuts them out and doesn’t take shit

Pretty badass dude, hey? A chick meets that guy and is like wow, this is a stallion. And the first year is awesome.

Then what do they do? Well they follow society’s LTR script. This isn’t EVERY relationship, there are a few cases that work out here and there…but this is the VAST MAJORITY of the average guy these days:

They move in together. No more mystery, she sees him every single night, she sees him sitting in his boxers surfing YouTube, they see him when he’s sick and helpless, maybe he works from home and they see that his job is just “playing on the computer” which isn’t the sexy fantasy they envisioned when he was wearing a suit heading off to the office. She sees him unkempt and ungroomed, she sees him when he’s sad and defeated at his lowest points. She comes home to see him sitting on the couch eating pizza and watching TV.

He stops socializing. His buddies are a “bad influence” and he’s wrapped up in new relationship feels so he stops hanging out with them either by his GF’s orders or by his own voluntarily prioritizing her over his lifelong bros because she has a pussy. He stays in to watch DVDs with her on fri/sat nights and her friends become his friends (because SHE’S still social). He’s no longer the leader of anyone and some of his buddies become way higher-value than him because hey, he’s in an LTR, he can relax now, he’s just sitting on the couch watching TV while his single buddies are off taking on the world. He has the occasional poker game (with more beer to help fatten him up ’cause hey, he’s got an LTR why bother taking care of himself, he’s WON the game!!!) and his buddies have either become losers like him or are too high-value to come hang out in a basement playing poker with guys who don’t want to do anything with their lives.

When he does occasionally go out, he has no idea how to talk to or flirt with women anymore ’cause it’s been so long and he feels guilty doing it anyway, and, you know, only some jerk player would do that, he’s a REAL MAN who’s faithful to his woman he would never disrespect her by flirting with the cute waitress. That would be MEAN!! Plus, you know, he’s kind of let himself go a bit now that he takes a closer look in the bathroom mirror at the Denny’s they’re at. He has no more social proof, no more social circle, he’s let himself go and he doesn’t view himself as the prize anymore…maybe a booby prize.

In fact he’s lucky his girl is with him and he knows it! His friends and her friends all make sure to remind him. So does the media he wastes his day consuming. She’s still attractive enough to have guys orbit and chase her so he knows he better try real hard to keep her!! I mean, he’s become so pathetic that if he lost her, god, it would be terrible, he’d have to go out to BARS again…and try to PICK UP girls…oh god, it was hell the first time. I mean…maybe it was fun sometimes, he can’t really remember it’s been a while, but he’s pretty sure it was terrible and he hated it and he’s much happier now. I mean back then he had to go weeks and months without getting laid sometimes!! …although his GF hasn’t really been putting out lately. But you know, she’s got that stomach problem and all…plus he’s put on some pounds and wearing crappy cheap clothes that are comfortable ’cause his GF when they started dating told him she likes when a guy doesn’t care about his looks.

So he better not fuck it up and lose her…she wants him to do something he doesn’t want to do? He better do it!! Who cares what he wants, happy wife happy life right?? Plus that Jezebel article said men who do more housework get laid more and all the women in the comment section probably aren’t huge ugly old harpies and they said they’re turned on when their man does the dishes! Maybe THAT’S how he can get laid again…he sure does miss sex…he didn’t expect to be jacking off to porn in his 30s (hidden of course, wouldn’t want the GF to know he still has a sex drive or to catch him looking at porn of hotter girls) like he did when he was 14…why won’t his wife just give him a handjob or something when he begs for one, he just doesn’t get it…she USED to love fucking him, they used to bang all over the place even in public! Huh, well, maybe she’s just getting old…I mean he’s 30+ now. And he feels old. Sure the pizza and lethargic lazy lifestyle could be contributing to his feeling old but, you know, that’s how it naturally goes right?

Things aren’t going amazing but, you know, comfort and all. Comfort is really the best part of relationships right? That sex like bunnies thing that’s just for new couples. You’re right, girlfriend, that could IS gross putting on PDAs like that….wait…didn’t we used to do that? hmm…can’t remember, it’s been a while.

But hey, you know what’ll fix things? GET MARRIED!! I mean, it’s pretty much time. You don’t really want to do it and you’ve heard your single buddy mention something about a divorce rate and sure most of his buddies have been through a divorce or two but, you know, you have a unicorn, that’s those other guys who marry CRAZY BITCHES that get divorced lol that won’t happen to YOU. So it’s probably okay. You don’t really see the benefit in it for you, it seems expensive, really it’s going to empty half your life savings, but her mom and friends are all badgering you and she’s looking sad, so it doesn’t really matter if you don’t want to do something, relationships are about COMPROMISE right? So okay let’s get married! Prenup? Nahh you’re right, those DO imply that I don’t love you. Baby you’re the center of my world, I’m nothing without you, YOU COMPLETE ME!!

Well hey now that we’re married, we need a house. Sure let’s get wrapped up in the legal work together so you own part of it too. This married life sure is bliss, aside from how expensive it was. But hey now we can have kids and stuff so that’s great! I don’t mind 9 months without sex, it’s not like we have sex very often anymore anyway…I try to initiate but, you know, she’s got that stomach problem. In fact we fought about it the other night…big fight actually. And you know what, I thought I was totally in the right but I ended up having to sleep on the couch. That thing is so uncomfortable! I still think I was right but, you know, happy wife happy life, and that couch hurts, so I apologized for whatever it was she thinks I did wrong and told her I’ll do whatever it takes to make her happy. Just like I said on my wedding day! …but she’s still mad. Can I maybe crash on your couch dude? I slept in the car the other day because she wouldn’t let me sleep on the couch, but my back really hurts from all this weight I’ve gained…

And where does that lead? Well now this guy is legally locked into this relationships so he absolutely cannot leave or the child support and alimony will ruin him…and on top of it she’s legally INCENTIVIZED by the system TO ditch him and eat pray love go find herself…which since he’s become such a pathetic sack of shit, I mean, why WOULDN’T she? She’d miss her kids sure, but, you know, her divorce lawyer said EVERY divorce case gets tough and she should bite first and file a restraining order, doesn’t she love her kids doesn’t she want them to live with her, it’s for the kids they’ll understand when they’re older. And hey, he’s the deadbeat dad loser who got divorced…she’s the wonderful unicorn queen who escaped the terrible loser (abusive, as she’ll tell the next guy so she doesn’t sound like she’s selfish) husband. Society will prop her up as a hero and tell her “you GO grrrl!!” Really this divorce thing sounds pretty good. She’s been fucking her boss at work lately and feeling a little guilty (although really it’s not her fault…that boss is a jerk who just bent her over his office desk and railed her he’s such a wild stallion!! and her husband isn’t the man she used to know and he’s emotionally distant or something, ya that sounds good), so now she can fuck her boss guilt-free!

‘course after the divorce he’s fat, lazy, old, sloppy, has no social skills, no idea how to flirt, has no friends to go out with to meet girls and doesn’t have time to anyway because he has to work harder to pay his alimony and child support so he can see his kids every second weekend if she lets him but boy it sure is lonely most nights…he didn’t expect to be jacking off to porn at age 45 like he’s 14 again.

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……..and men repeat this INSANE PATTERN. Every fucking DAY. You, reading this, probably know or have been or ARE this exact fucking guy.

Society’s plan is literally designed to neutralize every attractive trait a man has when he first gets a girl. It’s insanity.

Compare that to something like this:

The guy refuses to give up his one or two nights out with the boys, no matter what. He maintains his social circle and his network and stays socially sharp and flirts with girls when he’s out with his buddies, even if he doesn’t actually bang those girls.

Because he’s going out, he maintains his looks. Keeps hitting the gym regularly and keeps his grooming and style up. Other guys his age are fat and sloppy but he looks as good as he did 10 years ago. He’s social enough, from all his time socializing, that he doesn’t really need alcohol so he’s not boozing it up all the time, he’s just out being a cool social guy with his buddies and meeting new people, maybe networking for a better job or other ambitions he has.

The guy moves in with his girl but maintains a separate apartment on the other side of town that he calls his office. It has a desk etc. to actually do work at (incase he works from home, he instead travels to here to work so he keeps some mystery) and it’s an apartment with a bed and shower and fridge/stove etc. (incase he works late, of course, he doesn’t want to wake his GF up or drive when he’s tired).

Now if they have a one-sided open LTR where he’s allowed to play around now and then (because he properly screened for a girl who’s bi-sexual and not jealous and understands that men like variety and he DIDN’T SETTLE DOWN with girls who DON’T feel that way), as long as he prioritizes her and plays safe and makes sure she knows the other girls don’t mean anything to him, he now has a place he can bang those girls. He can shower up, change clothes, etc.

If he gets into a fight with his girl? No sleeping on the couch. He can just walk out and spend a week at his office living in complete comfort, sleeping in a warm bed, maybe even banging an FB, eating good healthy meals etc. until his GF realizes that she was being retarded and misses him and he allows her to apologize and comes back.

People pressure him to marry her but he’s prepared for that discussion and has a bunch of stats and facts to back his side up, pointing out how shitty other relationships are and thwarts people’s objections to their arrangement effortlessly, and then wraps it up with a romantic little speech about “wanting to always feel like I have to be our best for eachother and not take eachother for granted and choose eachother every day” and he’s trained his girl to spout that “it works for us”.

When they have a kid and house (in his name etc.) and are in full settle down mode, he keeps the office for when he needs to get some peace and quiet and get some work done, and he tones down going out (but never eliminates it completely) and GOES OUT to meet his buddies at a bar somewhere instead of sitting in his basement which is “easier” but less mysterious. Maybe he doesn’t bone other girls and has toned the flirting down a bit, but occasionally he comes home a bit later than he said he would, juuuuust to keep her on her toes with a tiny bit of dread game now and then so she stays in shape and doesn’t take him for granted.

That’s my first draft at least. Will it work? I don’t know, maybe maybe not I’m not a fuckin wizard.

But if you offer me those two plans and tell me to choose between them, that second one sure sounds a helluva lot more appealing. That first plan isn’t guaranteed to work out either, and I like the sound of mine.

…but to SUCCEED at mine, you have to throw out a whole lot of blue pill ideas about how society should work and how love should work and how attraction should work and how women should BE etc. etc. You have to fully embrace the red pill and accept reality as it IS, and be COOL with it and LIKE that it’s that way.

Like Yoga said “Do or do not.” Like Mr Miyagi said: “Karate do, karate don’t” “left side of road good. right side good. middle of road? squish like grape.”

Just let go and embrace the red pill.


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Hell, look at Rollo. Successful long term marriage etc. What’s his job? Go out and be social while flirting with promo bottle girls (hello dread game and remaining a mystery at times!). What’s his hobby? Embracing game and leading other men. It’s probably safe to assume that he hits the gym and grooms/dresses himself well. Sure the legal marriage part is sticky but as long as he stays attractive and high-value and understands he can’t cry about his tummy for a week (and he knows that because he’s written articles about that), divorce shouldn’t be something he has to worry about since Hypergamy should ensure that his wife understands that she would be the one losing out if she divorced him.

My version is a bit more extreme, but I’m also approaching mid-30s in 2015 and I’m dealing with 2015 not whatever year it was when Rollo got hitched. I’m adapting for the reality I see around me, while trying to come up with a plan that still follows consistent game concepts that I know have been proven time and time again instead of sticking to a plan that actively sabotages them.


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Hell, look at Rollo. Successful long term marriage etc. What’s his job? Go out and be social while flirting with promo bottle girls (hello dread game and remaining a mystery at times!). What’s his hobby? Embracing game and leading other men. It’s probably safe to assume that he hits the gym and grooms/dresses himself well. Sure the legal marriage part is sticky but as long as he stays attractive and high-value and understands he can’t cry about his tummy for a week (and he knows that because he’s written articles about that), divorce shouldn’t be something he has to worry about since Hypergamy should ensure that his wife understands that she would be the one losing out if she divorced him.

My version is a bit more extreme, but I’m also approaching mid-30s in 2015 and I’m dealing with 2015 not whatever year it was when Rollo got hitched. I’m adapting for the reality I see around me, while trying to come up with a plan that still follows consistent game concepts that I know have been proven time and time again instead of sticking to a plan that actively sabotages them.


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(also I’m talkin a cheap little studio apartment, not like a 2-bedroom or anything crazy lol Just a tiny little cheap “bachelor pad”, it can be anywhere in the city that you can get a good deal on it…sure right now you probably couldn’t go out and get one, but if you knew for 5-10 years ahead of time that you were going to want one at some point? And you understood how much of a difference it could make having a place to disappear to now and then and a place to stay (and make her worry) when you have fights, and a place you can veg out and be as unattractive as you like for a few hours, etc.? You might start putting a little money aside each month or work a little harder to make sure you’re able to afford a cozy little studio apartment on the side…all it needs is a few basics…and yes, you can get a single bed in it and girls will still happily fuck you lol)


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(also I’m talkin a cheap little studio apartment, not like a 2-bedroom or anything crazy lol Just a tiny little cheap “bachelor pad”, it can be anywhere in the city that you can get a good deal on it…sure right now you probably couldn’t go out and get one, but if you knew for 5-10 years ahead of time that you were going to want one at some point? And you understood how much of a difference it could make having a place to disappear to now and then and a place to stay (and make her worry) when you have fights, and a place you can veg out and be as unattractive as you like for a few hours, etc.? You might start putting a little money aside each month or work a little harder to make sure you’re able to afford a cozy little studio apartment on the side…all it needs is a few basics…and yes, you can get a single bed in it and girls will still happily fuck you lol)


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@Vulpine
“I point that out, because, having an LTR with a truly awesome partner on your team can fulfill (many of) the same needs as remaining “free”, and more.”

You’re saying the same thing as me. We’re both describing and end game where you have a main Primary girl (aka your LTR chick), and then girls you bang with her. She only fucks you and you fuck other girls with her or on your own on the side.

Like I say, I don’t think many men wouldn’t be up for that arrangement if 1) they knew HOW to frame it and make it actually work successfully, and 2) they thought they were actually capable/deserving OF it, and 3) they understood that a lot of girls will enjoy it and would rather have 90% of an alpha than ditch him for 100% of some chode lol

“I’m not trying to ram monogamy down anyone’s throat, per se.”

Personally I get bored. I like variety in my sex and my women, even their personalities. The same vag over and over eventually becomes the same routine sex over and over (sure you can mix it up but if you both know a certain thing that you love you’ll both end up reverting to that more often than not…steak is delicious but if you have it for dinner eeeevery fucking night it can get boring).

I think a lot of guys would enjoy variety if they could actually get it, and could get it with quality girls. But I also know that’s unrealistic and most guys will eventually want to try the settle down with one girl thing. So all I’m suggesting is that if you’re going to settle down with one girl, don’t follow society’s plan for doing it because society’s plan is designed to fail. Try a new plan.

Also anyone who wants to poke holes in my ideal arrangement there, go nuts. My buddies and I are testing out parts of it here and there but I’m not looking to settle anytime soon so it’ll be a while before I give it the full test. But in the meantime any holes in it I want to know about so I can think about how to plug them all and refine my vision further.

I would love for there to come a day where I can write an eBook or something that says “look, here’s how to screen for a girl who will be open to this, here’s how to get her, here’s how to set the arrangement up and all the problems you may run into along the way and how to avoid them happening or address them in a positive way for both of you when they come up, here’s how to handle the legal side of things, and here’s why all of this works.”

Marriage is crumbling and more and more men are waking up. It’s time for a new plan.


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“I point that out, because, having an LTR with a truly awesome partner on your team can fulfill (many of) the same needs as remaining “free”, and more.”

You’re saying the same thing as me. We’re both describing and end game where you have a main Primary girl (aka your LTR chick), and then girls you bang with her. She only fucks you and you fuck other girls with her or on your own on the side.

Like I say, I don’t think many men wouldn’t be up for that arrangement if 1) they knew HOW to frame it and make it actually work successfully, and 2) they thought they were actually capable/deserving OF it, and 3) they understood that a lot of girls will enjoy it and would rather have 90% of an alpha than ditch him for 100% of some chode lol

“I’m not trying to ram monogamy down anyone’s throat, per se.”

Personally I get bored. I like variety in my sex and my women, even their personalities. The same vag over and over eventually becomes the same routine sex over and over (sure you can mix it up but if you both know a certain thing that you love you’ll both end up reverting to that more often than not…steak is delicious but if you have it for dinner eeeevery fucking night it can get boring).

I think a lot of guys would enjoy variety if they could actually get it, and could get it with quality girls. But I also know that’s unrealistic and most guys will eventually want to try the settle down with one girl thing. So all I’m suggesting is that if you’re going to settle down with one girl, don’t follow society’s plan for doing it because society’s plan is designed to fail. Try a new plan.

Also anyone who wants to poke holes in my ideal arrangement there, go nuts. My buddies and I are testing out parts of it here and there but I’m not looking to settle anytime soon so it’ll be a while before I give it the full test. But in the meantime any holes in it I want to know about so I can think about how to plug them all and refine my vision further.

I would love for there to come a day where I can write an eBook or something that says “look, here’s how to screen for a girl who will be open to this, here’s how to get her, here’s how to set the arrangement up and all the problems you may run into along the way and how to avoid them happening or address them in a positive way for both of you when they come up, here’s how to handle the legal side of things, and here’s why all of this works.”

Marriage is crumbling and more and more men are waking up. It’s time for a new plan.


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Two thoughts on maternal nature:

1) why do girls who are all super maternal over a 3-legged puppy walking past the local homeless shelter disgusted? Shouldn’t they be in tears falling over themselves to help all those poor men? Especially the disabled ones? Why does it only apply to certain subjects and not others if it’s built into their nature? Why do they stick around if a man loses his job, but only for a period of time and only if that man looks like he’s trying to find another job…if it’s some natural instinct to care for him, why would she ditch him when he just lays on the couch being too sad to work?

2) “…is wounded or suffering from PTSD. I doubt we’ll ever see an honest study on the subject because of how ugly the results would be”

Controversial statement time: I’m not entirely convinced Sudden Infant Death Sydrome isn’t code for “holy shit the mom got cold feet once the baby was born and/or was in such a crazy hormonal depressed state that she held a pillow over the kid’s face but that reality is so ugly and terrfying with our view of women being nurturing mothers that it would cause too many rifts in society to handle. Men would be terrified to reproduce and women would be viewed as potential insane murderers who need to be kept away from being isolated with their baby for it’s first year of life to be safe, people would say “wait if women make insane decisions when they regret something does that also mean that when they regret sex with a man they might lie that it was rape too?? Sure we also have plenty of cases where women drown their babies or leave their dead bodies in cardboard boxes in the garage so there’s precedent set that mothers sometimes kill their babies…but I mean, this is all preposterous, women and mothers especially are angels!” Society would crumble if we published the reality of what’s happening, and no one would believe it if we did because no one wants to think their girlfriend or daughter is capable of it and we would be villified, so lets just slap a label on it where we can say we have no idea what happened and there’s no consistency with it and it always happens in those first few months (you know where regret and hormones would be highest).”

How many other totally unexplainable deaths are there with no autopsy evidence and no crime scene evidence of why they died, esp with modern forensics and autopsy procedures? What if the mom who gets caught drowning her babies in the local river was just too public/blatant a case to chalk up to SIDS compared to plugging a nose and rationalizing it and some white knight doctors covering it up for the good of society?

Just a theory lol I don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve seen a lot of female behavior that makes me wonder if we don’t have a built in “juuuust incase when you have to change diapers and feed it and it’s crying all night, if you regret it and in a crazy hormonal state happen to cover it with a pillow, we won’t tell your husband who would probably murder you” get out of motherhood free card.

But hey maybe I’m just jaded lol


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Two thoughts on maternal nature:

1) why do girls who are all super maternal over a 3-legged puppy walking past the local homeless shelter disgusted? Shouldn’t they be in tears falling over themselves to help all those poor men? Especially the disabled ones? Why does it only apply to certain subjects and not others if it’s built into their nature? Why do they stick around if a man loses his job, but only for a period of time and only if that man looks like he’s trying to find another job…if it’s some natural instinct to care for him, why would she ditch him when he just lays on the couch being too sad to work?

2) “…is wounded or suffering from PTSD. I doubt we’ll ever see an honest study on the subject because of how ugly the results would be”

Controversial statement time: I’m not entirely convinced Sudden Infant Death Sydrome isn’t code for “holy shit the mom got cold feet once the baby was born and/or was in such a crazy hormonal depressed state that she held a pillow over the kid’s face but that reality is so ugly and terrfying with our view of women being nurturing mothers that it would cause too many rifts in society to handle. Men would be terrified to reproduce and women would be viewed as potential insane murderers who need to be kept away from being isolated with their baby for it’s first year of life to be safe, people would say “wait if women make insane decisions when they regret something does that also mean that when they regret sex with a man they might lie that it was rape too?? Sure we also have plenty of cases where women drown their babies or leave their dead bodies in cardboard boxes in the garage so there’s precedent set that mothers sometimes kill their babies…but I mean, this is all preposterous, women and mothers especially are angels!” Society would crumble if we published the reality of what’s happening, and no one would believe it if we did because no one wants to think their girlfriend or daughter is capable of it and we would be villified, so lets just slap a label on it where we can say we have no idea what happened and there’s no consistency with it and it always happens in those first few months (you know where regret and hormones would be highest).”

How many other totally unexplainable deaths are there with no autopsy evidence and no crime scene evidence of why they died, esp with modern forensics and autopsy procedures? What if the mom who gets caught drowning her babies in the local river was just too public/blatant a case to chalk up to SIDS compared to plugging a nose and rationalizing it and some white knight doctors covering it up for the good of society?

Just a theory lol I don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve seen a lot of female behavior that makes me wonder if we don’t have a built in “juuuust incase when you have to change diapers and feed it and it’s crying all night, if you regret it and in a crazy hormonal state happen to cover it with a pillow, we won’t tell your husband who would probably murder you” get out of motherhood free card.

But hey maybe I’m just jaded lol


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Heads up, Rollo. The super alpha neomasculine guys who don’t act at all like Feminists/SJWs are trying doxxing you in their long RVF neomasculinity thread.

Personally I don’t think acting like schoolgirls is the way to convince men you know anything about masculine behavior lol


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Heads up, Rollo. The super alpha neomasculine guys who don’t act at all like Feminists/SJWs are trying doxxing you in their long RVF neomasculinity thread.

Personally I don’t think acting like schoolgirls is the way to convince men you know anything about masculine behavior lol


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I’m embarrassed for them. Even the nerds in GamerGate frown upon doxxing and keep their members in check and ban for it. I mean what’s next, start sending Rollo death threats and posting pics of his family? Shit’s fucked up. Straight up Feminist/SJW mentality in action. If I were Roosh that shit would earn perma-bans for life at the minimum.


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I’m embarrassed for them. Even the nerds in GamerGate frown upon doxxing and keep their members in check and ban for it. I mean what’s next, start sending Rollo death threats and posting pics of his family? Shit’s fucked up. Straight up Feminist/SJW mentality in action. If I were Roosh that shit would earn perma-bans for life at the minimum.


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“it’d be the RVF to try to doxx me. Here I thought it’d be PUAHate or HUS.”

That’s the crazy part. Like, how can a group of guys who are theoretically working on being more self-aware than the rest of society not objectively look at their behavior and go “uhhh isn’t this kind of retarded?”

And all you did was point out the hypocrisy of ragging on other groups selling products focused on getting laid while having banners advertising products that get you laid on your site. That’s an “attack”? How fragile an ego do you have to have for someone pointing out your logic is flawed to rally up your troops against the “enemy” lol

For what it’s worth you look like a buff dude who’s as successful as he says in the ways he’s claimed. In my mind all it did is add more credibility to your writing (and make me want to go do some push-ups lol). Obviously stick to the Rollo name instead of turning it into a big “since it’s out there I’ll just use it” thing but I admit I let out a sigh of relief when you didn’t look like Tom Leykis lol

Feel free to delete this if it’s at all too revealing for comfort, just wanted to give props


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“it’d be the RVF to try to doxx me. Here I thought it’d be PUAHate or HUS.”

That’s the crazy part. Like, how can a group of guys who are theoretically working on being more self-aware than the rest of society not objectively look at their behavior and go “uhhh isn’t this kind of retarded?”

And all you did was point out the hypocrisy of ragging on other groups selling products focused on getting laid while having banners advertising products that get you laid on your site. That’s an “attack”? How fragile an ego do you have to have for someone pointing out your logic is flawed to rally up your troops against the “enemy” lol

For what it’s worth you look like a buff dude who’s as successful as he says in the ways he’s claimed. In my mind all it did is add more credibility to your writing (and make me want to go do some push-ups lol). Obviously stick to the Rollo name instead of turning it into a big “since it’s out there I’ll just use it” thing but I admit I let out a sigh of relief when you didn’t look like Tom Leykis lol

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@Seraph
That was a solid fuckin’ post. The breakdown of why guys like Glenn are pissed (and why they have every right to be, quite frankly).

I’ve written about what happens when a man realizes he’s been lied to his whole life here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/9/#comment-heartiste-367897 – more in the link but here’s the relevant part:

“This is the same illusion-shattering concept as when you realize your CEO job won’t get you the pussy society built the illusion in your head that you’d get, your best friend did something unforgivable to you because they’re human and not perfect like the illusion you built up for them, and when women realize they’ve hit the wall and wasted their high-SMV years without securing a future because feminism built the illusion in their heads that there would be men a-plenty at 30+. Your world goes from black and white to shades of grey and you’re forced to contemplate “if everything I was so sure about was wrong, what else am I wrong about?” and you’re entire core, identity, life, purpose, goals, etc. are rocked.

It’s at this tipping point that a person goes down two paths:

1) Depression. You become jaded, cynical, sad, miserable, and feel defeated. Life feels pointless and hopeless as your brain comes to terms with the new realizations that just butt-fucked everything you held close to your core about how the world works. You become bitter, angry at the world, frustrated by the unfairness, and probably end up a MGTOW (to be fair, you can become a MGTOW in a healthy positive way too, I don’t think they’re all bitter losers despite their shitty Public Relations lol). This can also be the catalyst for removing yourself from the game entire (certain types of MGTOWs, the grass eaters movement in Japan, etc. The only difference with these groups is that there’s more of a head-in-the-sand “fuck it then, I’m outta here, good luck with all that shit y’all” mentality, which, technically speaking is actually a little healthier than reveling in the depression from a day-to-day happiness standpoint lol)

2) Acceptance. You accept the pain and shell-shock of what’s happening as a natural thing and eventually overcome it. You find new ways to appreciate the world around you despite it’s faults and you learn to accept reality for what it really is: flawed and imperfect but often filled with good things if you look for them. You realize that people are the same, we all have potential for good and bad, and that all of that is simply societal judgement attempting to solidify shades of grey into black and white for easier processing and teaching to new generations and to keep society stable.

A person can go through a period of Depression and end up in Acceptance, but it’s a difficult climb. How much of your identiy, reality, beliefs, hopes, future projections, etc. you based on your beliefs is a big part of what determines which path you go down. When I swallowed the red pill, I had no problem traveling the Acceptance path because I had so little experience with women that I had no part of my world based on them except the occasional day-dream about the white-picket fence life. Most of the middle-of-the-road madonna/whore complex guys tend to have much more wrapped up in their beliefs on how women are or should be, so they can go either way. The stereotypical angry bitter MRA types have usually been so burned by women that their whole identity/life/etc. was shattered by the red-pill which is why they tend to end up on the Depression/MGTOW path.”

It’s okay to be pissed. Ideally we’ll help you channel that into self-development and rewiring yourself into something amazing, but it’s okay to be angry for a while just like it’s okay to be sad when a loved one dies…as long as you eventually work on pulling out of it toward something more productive and positive for yourself.

And no woman can define for a man what that productive positive “something” IS, despite their solipsistic nature that tells them they’re the experts on everything and them and all their friends are NAWALTs.


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@Seraph
That was a solid fuckin’ post. The breakdown of why guys like Glenn are pissed (and why they have every right to be, quite frankly).

I’ve written about what happens when a man realizes he’s been lied to his whole life here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/9/#comment-heartiste-367897 – more in the link but here’s the relevant part:

“This is the same illusion-shattering concept as when you realize your CEO job won’t get you the pussy society built the illusion in your head that you’d get, your best friend did something unforgivable to you because they’re human and not perfect like the illusion you built up for them, and when women realize they’ve hit the wall and wasted their high-SMV years without securing a future because feminism built the illusion in their heads that there would be men a-plenty at 30+. Your world goes from black and white to shades of grey and you’re forced to contemplate “if everything I was so sure about was wrong, what else am I wrong about?” and you’re entire core, identity, life, purpose, goals, etc. are rocked.

It’s at this tipping point that a person goes down two paths:

1) Depression. You become jaded, cynical, sad, miserable, and feel defeated. Life feels pointless and hopeless as your brain comes to terms with the new realizations that just butt-fucked everything you held close to your core about how the world works. You become bitter, angry at the world, frustrated by the unfairness, and probably end up a MGTOW (to be fair, you can become a MGTOW in a healthy positive way too, I don’t think they’re all bitter losers despite their shitty Public Relations lol). This can also be the catalyst for removing yourself from the game entire (certain types of MGTOWs, the grass eaters movement in Japan, etc. The only difference with these groups is that there’s more of a head-in-the-sand “fuck it then, I’m outta here, good luck with all that shit y’all” mentality, which, technically speaking is actually a little healthier than reveling in the depression from a day-to-day happiness standpoint lol)

2) Acceptance. You accept the pain and shell-shock of what’s happening as a natural thing and eventually overcome it. You find new ways to appreciate the world around you despite it’s faults and you learn to accept reality for what it really is: flawed and imperfect but often filled with good things if you look for them. You realize that people are the same, we all have potential for good and bad, and that all of that is simply societal judgement attempting to solidify shades of grey into black and white for easier processing and teaching to new generations and to keep society stable.

A person can go through a period of Depression and end up in Acceptance, but it’s a difficult climb. How much of your identiy, reality, beliefs, hopes, future projections, etc. you based on your beliefs is a big part of what determines which path you go down. When I swallowed the red pill, I had no problem traveling the Acceptance path because I had so little experience with women that I had no part of my world based on them except the occasional day-dream about the white-picket fence life. Most of the middle-of-the-road madonna/whore complex guys tend to have much more wrapped up in their beliefs on how women are or should be, so they can go either way. The stereotypical angry bitter MRA types have usually been so burned by women that their whole identity/life/etc. was shattered by the red-pill which is why they tend to end up on the Depression/MGTOW path.”

It’s okay to be pissed. Ideally we’ll help you channel that into self-development and rewiring yourself into something amazing, but it’s okay to be angry for a while just like it’s okay to be sad when a loved one dies…as long as you eventually work on pulling out of it toward something more productive and positive for yourself.

And no woman can define for a man what that productive positive “something” IS, despite their solipsistic nature that tells them they’re the experts on everything and them and all their friends are NAWALTs.


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“A divorced friend of my husband’s and mine shot himself to death a month or so ago. He was a sad case, with many problems, including ludicrous judgment in selecting his former wife, who was obviously marrying him just to get a green card and then dumped him right afterwards.”

I hope that one day you understand how people like you, writing the things you write that promote the bullshit that lead men to places like this, contribute to men like your friend killing themselves.

But I don’t hold out much hope. Sounds like your friend should’ve “just been smarter”. What a moron not knowing this girl was using him. I wonder where he got the oblivious belief in true love and the idea to trust the inherently good nature of all women? I mean, you’re surrounded by NAWALTs after all.


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“A divorced friend of my husband’s and mine shot himself to death a month or so ago. He was a sad case, with many problems, including ludicrous judgment in selecting his former wife, who was obviously marrying him just to get a green card and then dumped him right afterwards.”

I hope that one day you understand how people like you, writing the things you write that promote the bullshit that lead men to places like this, contribute to men like your friend killing themselves.

But I don’t hold out much hope. Sounds like your friend should’ve “just been smarter”. What a moron not knowing this girl was using him. I wonder where he got the oblivious belief in true love and the idea to trust the inherently good nature of all women? I mean, you’re surrounded by NAWALTs after all.


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“Funny–everyone else in his family figured out within five minutes that she was taking him for a ride! My husband I used to laugh at the situation and make bets on how soon she’d dump him once she got that green card.”

Hilarious lolol esp since he killed himself, what an idiot lol but hey, he’s just a man, who cares. When a hammer is broken you toss it out, who cares why it’s broken it’s of no use anymore!

“It’s because his self-esteem was so low”

And why do you think that is? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“he was willing to marry someone who wasn’t very nice to him even when they were together ”

And why do you think that is? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“(she was, in fact, very pretty, obviously out of his league, and you could see from miles away–if you had some insight into human nature–that she was a gold-digger, and I’m pretty sure that his brothers warned him about her).”

And why do you think he ignored those warnings? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“He had many other problems: booze being the biggest.”

And why do you suppose he drank all the time? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“He kept losing good jobs because he’d get drunk and tell off his boss or do other antisocial things”

And why do you suppose he did those things? Why do you suppose he was so frustrated? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“He killed himself on his way home to living with his mother because he hadn’t been employed in over a year.”

And why do you suppose those things bothered him that much? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right? It’s useless, toss it out!

Can you name any problems he had that contributed to his death that you DON’T consider his fault?

I stand by my original comment to you and it makes me sad that people like you exist and will never understand exactly why you’re the reason guys come to places like this and why guys go MGTOW, and then come in and lecture those men like anyone should give any kind of a shit about your opinion. That’s not misogyny, I would think you were a shitty person if you were a guy spouting your nonsense too.


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“Funny–everyone else in his family figured out within five minutes that she was taking him for a ride! My husband I used to laugh at the situation and make bets on how soon she’d dump him once she got that green card.”

Hilarious lolol esp since he killed himself, what an idiot lol but hey, he’s just a man, who cares. When a hammer is broken you toss it out, who cares why it’s broken it’s of no use anymore!

“It’s because his self-esteem was so low”

And why do you think that is? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“he was willing to marry someone who wasn’t very nice to him even when they were together ”

And why do you think that is? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“(she was, in fact, very pretty, obviously out of his league, and you could see from miles away–if you had some insight into human nature–that she was a gold-digger, and I’m pretty sure that his brothers warned him about her).”

And why do you think he ignored those warnings? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“He had many other problems: booze being the biggest.”

And why do you suppose he drank all the time? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“He kept losing good jobs because he’d get drunk and tell off his boss or do other antisocial things”

And why do you suppose he did those things? Why do you suppose he was so frustrated? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right?

“He killed himself on his way home to living with his mother because he hadn’t been employed in over a year.”

And why do you suppose those things bothered him that much? Or do you even care? Doesn’t really matter why the hammer is broken, right? It’s useless, toss it out!

Can you name any problems he had that contributed to his death that you DON’T consider his fault?

I stand by my original comment to you and it makes me sad that people like you exist and will never understand exactly why you’re the reason guys come to places like this and why guys go MGTOW, and then come in and lecture those men like anyone should give any kind of a shit about your opinion. That’s not misogyny, I would think you were a shitty person if you were a guy spouting your nonsense too.


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“It’s not a tool’s place to question the natural order of their lives.”

Jeeze you sound like one of those whiny MRA/MGTOW/TRP losers. What do you think tools have feelings or something?? Why can’t you guys just quit bitching like feminists should. Robin Williams killing himself was basically the same as getting outraged about a GoT rape scene. Just STFU or my NAWALT friends and I won’t think you’re a REAL man.


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“It’s not a tool’s place to question the natural order of their lives.”

Jeeze you sound like one of those whiny MRA/MGTOW/TRP losers. What do you think tools have feelings or something?? Why can’t you guys just quit bitching like feminists should. Robin Williams killing himself was basically the same as getting outraged about a GoT rape scene. Just STFU or my NAWALT friends and I won’t think you’re a REAL man.


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“I’m glad other people have the patience that I don’t, @Seraph & YaReally. The total lack of empathy might be excusable if women like Charlotte posted here with genuine curiosity. They never do though, they come to message boards like this as if everyone must listen to their sermon about how men “should be”.”

The unfortunate part is that the reason I have patience for this is because she’s not the first disturbingly “…did you really just say that??” callous chick I’ve run into, online or offline, when it comes to male disposability. I can pretty much guarantee that she would be able to say all of this stuff with a smile out loud to her girlfriends over a glass of wine because she fundamentally doesn’t understand why what she’s saying turns our stomachs. Her girlfriends (the NAWALTs, remember) would lol right along with her as they pour another glass of wine and none of the guys around her would call her out on it because they know there’s no point.


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“I’m glad other people have the patience that I don’t, @Seraph & YaReally. The total lack of empathy might be excusable if women like Charlotte posted here with genuine curiosity. They never do though, they come to message boards like this as if everyone must listen to their sermon about how men “should be”.”

The unfortunate part is that the reason I have patience for this is because she’s not the first disturbingly “…did you really just say that??” callous chick I’ve run into, online or offline, when it comes to male disposability. I can pretty much guarantee that she would be able to say all of this stuff with a smile out loud to her girlfriends over a glass of wine because she fundamentally doesn’t understand why what she’s saying turns our stomachs. Her girlfriends (the NAWALTs, remember) would lol right along with her as they pour another glass of wine and none of the guys around her would call her out on it because they know there’s no point.


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@kfg
“Well they are, after all, just men. They can’t be expected to correctly perceive their own lived experience.”

We all know that when it comes to women’s issues, men should be quiet and listen because they couldn’t know anything about what it’s like to be a woman. And when it comes to men’s issues, men should be quiet and listen because women know what’s best for men.

If neomasculinity doesn’t approve of gay dudes like Milo:

…then I don’t see how they’re ever going to take down feminism ’cause he just bitch-slapped it. lol

The full version of that talk is decent btw, the fact that something like that is even getting airtime is amazing compared to 10 years ago, check it out.


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@kfg
“Well they are, after all, just men. They can’t be expected to correctly perceive their own lived experience.”

We all know that when it comes to women’s issues, men should be quiet and listen because they couldn’t know anything about what it’s like to be a woman. And when it comes to men’s issues, men should be quiet and listen because women know what’s best for men.

If neomasculinity doesn’t approve of gay dudes like Milo:

…then I don’t see how they’re ever going to take down feminism ’cause he just bitch-slapped it. lol

The full version of that talk is decent btw, the fact that something like that is even getting airtime is amazing compared to 10 years ago, check it out.


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Listen to yourself:

“The guy’s death was very sad. But he did make a horrible mess of his life.He didn’t have to do that. I don’t know why he started drinking like a fish at a very young age–or why he torpedoed his career. I didn’t know him well enough. In fact, neither my husband or I had even laid eyes on him for years. I only know what he did. His wife had left him a good ten years before his suicide–so he had a chance to find someone better. But he didn’t. He just continued on his downward trajectory. There was nothing anyone could do, really. And now there’s nothing to do but pray for his soul.”

HE made a horrible mess of his life. HE did that. HE started drinking like a fish. HE torpedoed his career. His wife left him sure but HE should have found someone better. But HE didn’t. HE just continued on his downward trajectory.

Wow, what a fucking MORON. No wonder he’s dead, he’s just inherently incapable of NOT fucking up. Everything bad that happened to him and every bad choice he made was his fault.

“All those “girlfriends”!”

You’re the one who mentioned you know a bunch of NAWALT wives who are perfect unicorns.

“I didn’t know him well enough to stick my nose into his business”

Well no, why WOULD you? Why would we need men’s centers for men’s mental health? Men don’t need help lol A man who needs help is just a broken hammer…TOSS ‘EM!!

“and it’s always amusing to watch a gold-digger in action.”

lol ya, it’s HILARIOUS to watch. Somehow I don’t think you’d find a man taking advantage of a naive girl, fucking her for a few years then tossing her aside, and her committing suicide over it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Hilarious!!! Pass me the wine! Any dumb bitch who’d complain about THAT? QUIT BITCHIN LOL it’s always amusing to watch a player in action!

“I don’t understand exactly what I was expected to do about a situation like this.”

Expected to do? You were expected to do absolutely nothing. And that’s the problem. That’s why MRAs exist and are trying to get men’s centers and divorce law etc. changed and trying to get society to take men’s mental health seriously instead of telling them to quit bitching and man up. And that’s why communities like this that give men a supportive network of other men who’ve been through similar shit exist. That’s why guys like Glenn are here instead of telling dipshits like you about his problems because he knows people like you won’t give a shit.

I want to say that you’re inherently not a good person, but sadly you’re just sort of the byproduct of our society. Men are viewed as so inherently worthless and to blame for everything that you honestly can’t see why any of the stuff you’re saying is fucked up and disturbing. It doesn’t make sense to you that a man would have reasons for doing things and those reasons aren’t important to you…and that’s scary, because you probably consider yourself a good person and I know you won’t stop spouting your “wisdom” or ever consider why your perspective is fucked up.

But thank-you, for pushing guys like Glenn to us. Because we can actually help him. To you he’s just another broken hammer.


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Listen to yourself:

“The guy’s death was very sad. But he did make a horrible mess of his life.He didn’t have to do that. I don’t know why he started drinking like a fish at a very young age–or why he torpedoed his career. I didn’t know him well enough. In fact, neither my husband or I had even laid eyes on him for years. I only know what he did. His wife had left him a good ten years before his suicide–so he had a chance to find someone better. But he didn’t. He just continued on his downward trajectory. There was nothing anyone could do, really. And now there’s nothing to do but pray for his soul.”

HE made a horrible mess of his life. HE did that. HE started drinking like a fish. HE torpedoed his career. His wife left him sure but HE should have found someone better. But HE didn’t. HE just continued on his downward trajectory.

Wow, what a fucking MORON. No wonder he’s dead, he’s just inherently incapable of NOT fucking up. Everything bad that happened to him and every bad choice he made was his fault.

“All those “girlfriends”!”

You’re the one who mentioned you know a bunch of NAWALT wives who are perfect unicorns.

“I didn’t know him well enough to stick my nose into his business”

Well no, why WOULD you? Why would we need men’s centers for men’s mental health? Men don’t need help lol A man who needs help is just a broken hammer…TOSS ‘EM!!

“and it’s always amusing to watch a gold-digger in action.”

lol ya, it’s HILARIOUS to watch. Somehow I don’t think you’d find a man taking advantage of a naive girl, fucking her for a few years then tossing her aside, and her committing suicide over it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Hilarious!!! Pass me the wine! Any dumb bitch who’d complain about THAT? QUIT BITCHIN LOL it’s always amusing to watch a player in action!

“I don’t understand exactly what I was expected to do about a situation like this.”

Expected to do? You were expected to do absolutely nothing. And that’s the problem. That’s why MRAs exist and are trying to get men’s centers and divorce law etc. changed and trying to get society to take men’s mental health seriously instead of telling them to quit bitching and man up. And that’s why communities like this that give men a supportive network of other men who’ve been through similar shit exist. That’s why guys like Glenn are here instead of telling dipshits like you about his problems because he knows people like you won’t give a shit.

I want to say that you’re inherently not a good person, but sadly you’re just sort of the byproduct of our society. Men are viewed as so inherently worthless and to blame for everything that you honestly can’t see why any of the stuff you’re saying is fucked up and disturbing. It doesn’t make sense to you that a man would have reasons for doing things and those reasons aren’t important to you…and that’s scary, because you probably consider yourself a good person and I know you won’t stop spouting your “wisdom” or ever consider why your perspective is fucked up.

But thank-you, for pushing guys like Glenn to us. Because we can actually help him. To you he’s just another broken hammer.


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“Honestly I don’t see how anyone is surprised by Charlotte’s callous disregard for the suicide of this man. It’s a textbook example of both the solipsism of the War Brides dynamic and a confirmation of everything I wrote in Empathy.”

The fucked part to me is when I extrapolate it. This is some chick who’s been told all her life that her opinion trumps because she has a pussy. So she barges in here doing her thing. And that’s some crazy bitch we can ultimately ignore.

But how many more of her are out there? She doesn’t consider herself a psychopath, in fact she considers herself a great catch and she considers us the ones with the problem because don’t we know when a woman tells us how things are we should all just listen.

There are pretty much zero mental health resources for men out there, and the ones that are out there are based on HER paradigm. Imagine some guy going to this chick for help? Paying however much therapy costs these days thinking her advice is going to help him out and she’s listening to his problems in disgust because he’s some broken hammer yapping away and her solution for him is to give him advice that not only won’t help him, but dismisses all his issues and will actively make them WORSE.

And communities like this that could help him and provide answers for him (so that maybe he ISN’T depressed and frustrated enough to drink his life away) are shunned and vilified as “whining bitter losers” so he won’t ever find them.

Hard to believe the male suicide rate is 4x higher for men. Too bad people like Charlotte don’t give a shit WHY.

Stupid Robin Williams should’ve picked his wives better! What a dumbass! Too bad Charlotte wasn’t there to tell him how stupid he is, she’d probably be too busy laughing at how his wives were sucking him dry with lifetime alimony. ALWAYS AMUSING TO WATCH A GOLD-DIGGER IN ACTION AMIRITE??? lololz

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“It all makes sense now.”

This made me lol for real


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“Honestly I don’t see how anyone is surprised by Charlotte’s callous disregard for the suicide of this man. It’s a textbook example of both the solipsism of the War Brides dynamic and a confirmation of everything I wrote in Empathy.”

The fucked part to me is when I extrapolate it. This is some chick who’s been told all her life that her opinion trumps because she has a pussy. So she barges in here doing her thing. And that’s some crazy bitch we can ultimately ignore.

But how many more of her are out there? She doesn’t consider herself a psychopath, in fact she considers herself a great catch and she considers us the ones with the problem because don’t we know when a woman tells us how things are we should all just listen.

There are pretty much zero mental health resources for men out there, and the ones that are out there are based on HER paradigm. Imagine some guy going to this chick for help? Paying however much therapy costs these days thinking her advice is going to help him out and she’s listening to his problems in disgust because he’s some broken hammer yapping away and her solution for him is to give him advice that not only won’t help him, but dismisses all his issues and will actively make them WORSE.

And communities like this that could help him and provide answers for him (so that maybe he ISN’T depressed and frustrated enough to drink his life away) are shunned and vilified as “whining bitter losers” so he won’t ever find them.

Hard to believe the male suicide rate is 4x higher for men. Too bad people like Charlotte don’t give a shit WHY.

Stupid Robin Williams should’ve picked his wives better! What a dumbass! Too bad Charlotte wasn’t there to tell him how stupid he is, she’d probably be too busy laughing at how his wives were sucking him dry with lifetime alimony. ALWAYS AMUSING TO WATCH A GOLD-DIGGER IN ACTION AMIRITE??? lololz

@FuriousFerret
“It all makes sense now.”

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“Charlotte seems to actually believe what she says.”

Oh she’s legit. That’s the scary part. It would be less depressing if it WAS just a troll.

She’s ignorant and proud of it. None of this will actually change her views, but as I always say it’s not about that, it’s about reaching the lurkers and men who read this in the future and have encountered people like her…so they can see we understand what they’re up against and they might reach out to the community for help before they’re just another suicide anecdote to lolz over.


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@Seraph
“Charlotte seems to actually believe what she says.”

Oh she’s legit. That’s the scary part. It would be less depressing if it WAS just a troll.

She’s ignorant and proud of it. None of this will actually change her views, but as I always say it’s not about that, it’s about reaching the lurkers and men who read this in the future and have encountered people like her…so they can see we understand what they’re up against and they might reach out to the community for help before they’re just another suicide anecdote to lolz over.


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“What other people are saying to her is that this guy is a product of shitty system. At the end of the day it’s his fault. ”

“It’s people like Rollo that are trying to educate these exact men so at least they have some correct schooling before they make dumb mistakes.”

That’s why I say WHY is the hammer broken. She gives no fucks because all that matters to her is that it’s broken. Of course him hitting the bottle is technically his fault, he’s the one lifting it up and putting it to his mouth…but WHY is he doing that? What are the problems that keep him coming back to that and why is that a solution to him? That’s the important shit that society needs to look at and listen to.

‘course, if he tried to bring it up, people like Charlotte would tell him to quit his bitching. Tell me again about that motherly instinct lol


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“What other people are saying to her is that this guy is a product of shitty system. At the end of the day it’s his fault. ”

“It’s people like Rollo that are trying to educate these exact men so at least they have some correct schooling before they make dumb mistakes.”

That’s why I say WHY is the hammer broken. She gives no fucks because all that matters to her is that it’s broken. Of course him hitting the bottle is technically his fault, he’s the one lifting it up and putting it to his mouth…but WHY is he doing that? What are the problems that keep him coming back to that and why is that a solution to him? That’s the important shit that society needs to look at and listen to.

‘course, if he tried to bring it up, people like Charlotte would tell him to quit his bitching. Tell me again about that motherly instinct lol


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“Are you saying that you can make it so that the girl your with is okay with you hooking up with other girls as long as your emotionally all-in with your main girl? or are you saying that you just spin plates and don’t necessarily hook up with the other girls? or is it you hook up with other girls and secretly have other girls on the side without her knowing….”

Whatever you want, you can have, if you learn to hold your frame, understand women’s psychology, know EXACTLY what you want, and screen properly (not just “playing the numbers game” and hoping to stumble onto a chick who’s just down for it, but knowing how to present and frame things and ease a girl into it and dismantle her doubts/questions about it to show her why it’s nothing she should worry about and in some ways is beneficial to her…a lot of girls are actually cool with it but don’t realize it because they’re running on social conditioning that says “love = monogamy” and simply need to be shown that the boogeyman is just two kids standing on eachother’s shoulder with a sheet over them).

Different arrangements take a different amount of understanding and balance to pull off. The keys to remember are:

1) Hypergamy rules. As long as you stay high-value, she’ll choose you. So you don’t get to slack off…if you want to become a lazy slob, do monogamy. Hypergamy rules so much that you can even TELL her to go bang other guys and as long as she views you as higher value than them, she wont bang them. Trust Hypergamy. Girls would rather have 10% of a badass alpha, than 100% of a chode beta…you’re giving her 90% of a badass alpha. That’s a good fuckin’ deal and her Hypergamy understands that.

2) Understand what value IS to a woman. It’s not height and looks and money. A lot of guys won’t be able to pull off this arrangement because they’re caught in the paradigm of “but I can’t be higher value than that guy over there because that guy over there is tall and good-looking and rich!!!!!” To pull it off you have to legitimately believe you’re higher-value than all other men because she pings off you to decide how to feel…so what you feel, she feels. Strongest frame wins, and if you understand that the emotions you give her (and what type of emotions TO give her (ie – dread game is seemingly “bad” emotions, and yet she needs it the same way we all go see movies that give us “bad” emotions at points instead of just happy movies with no conflict)) are what she values. Not being able to accept this is probably the biggest reason guys can’t pull this off.

3) You can ALWAYS go from an open relationship or one where you’re playing around, to monogamy, but you can’t (or at least it’s close to impossible) go from monogamy to an open arrangement or one where you can play around. The former is her taming the badboy and is a huge win to her. The latter is you saying “you’re not good enough, I want more”. So you can ALWAYS go forward toward monogamy but you can’t go backward…so when she meets you, you should be living the lifestyle you want her to accept and you should not compromise on it, especially not on her terms (ie – most men will cave at her saying “I like you too much, I can’t do this if you’re going to keep seeing other girls”, instead of wishing her the best of luck and waiting for her to come back and accept it). Be congruent with it from the start instead of trying to spring it on her a year in. When guys say “I’ve been seeing this girl and she’s cool but I’m not ready to settle yet, how do I do one of those open things?” it’s already too late. They should have been setting the frame from the start so they aren’t trying to go backwards.

4) The most important thing to an LTR is knowing that she’s above all the other girls. As long as she knows that she comes first and that you aren’t going to leave her for some other girl, she’ll be fine. The problem is a lot of guys have no self-restraint and fuck this one up…they run too much dread-game on their LTR or they catch feelings for their fuckbuddies/ONS or start letting the FB take priority from their LTR and it all falls apart.

5) Knowing that, it comes down to what the Joker says: “Nobody panics when things go “according to plan”, even if the plan is horrifying.” You have to know exactly what you want and exactly what role each girl will play in your life and this is adamant. Your LTR is your Primary and she gets all the relationship stuff on top of the sex stuff. Your Secondaries (regular fuckbuddies) only get the sex stuff and you don’t see them more than once every week or two to avoid either of you catching feelings etc. You don’t go on dates with them, you don’t do cuddle movie nights, you fuck and that’s it. Other girls are below that and are just for very occasional bangs or are one night stands.

The thing that blew my mind when I first started experimenting with this? I knew my Primary would probably be okay with it because she gets reassurance that if I play around on the side it doesn’t mean anything and I’ll be safe about it and come back to her plus she gets all the special stuff…and I knew the lowest tier would probably be okay with it because they aren’t around enough to care about their role in my life. But I figured the Secondary girls would put up a lot of resistance because they’re around me enough to like me but KNOW I have a Primary girlfriend (a bigass photo of her head was on my nightstand lol). Makes sense right? Turns out as long as that Secondary role is very clearly defined, they were totally cool with it and considered my Primary to be a lucky girl. Some of them gave me relationship advice (lol) and would recommend wines to try with my GF and restaraunts to take her too etc. Like actively trying to help my relationship. That was surreal the first time it happened but now I understand it. They know there’s no chance of becoming my Primary so they don’t yearn for it because it’s not an option…contrast that with the guy who has weak boundaries and gives them a cuddle movie date night and now she sees his Primary as “competition” and his Primary sees her as “competition” and now you have drama and it explodes in your face.

6) Keep it all discreet. It’s between you and your girl and she doesn’t need to know the dirty details (unless she’s the type that gets off on that). Women fear social judgement above all. An arrangement that she’s perfectly happy in and actively enjoys, will suddenly feel “wrong” if her friends and family start judging her on it. So act like a good solid boyfriend and let her call you that and call her your girlfriend so that she doesn’t have nosy people prying in, and don’t run around bragging about it. A lot of celebs that have these arrangements have it fall apart because they get too public and everyone starts judging and pressuring the girl (“don’t you respect yourself???” etc.). These relationships are all around you but the ones that work you’ll never know are there.

Really truly internalize all that and you can pull off whatever setup you want. Click my name to check my archives for more. Search for “oLTR” and “open relationship” and “primary” and that should pull up a bunch of detailed shit on this.

“But for example the most famous athlete in the world Christiano Ronaldo was just broken up with by his model girlfriend b/c he was being too promiscuous……I wanted your thoughts on this.”

You know about it. There’s the problem. Discretion is key. Gene Simmons is a good example. Dude avoids marriage basically his whole life, then he does a reality show like a dumbass and suddenly his chick has the social judgement of the entire world on their relationship and now to alleviate the pressure (even though she was likely perfectly fine with their arrangement the entire time up till then) dude has to get married. Will Smith and Jada have an oLTR but they keep the fuck HUSH about that shit. Will’s new movie, him and the main chick (who he probably banged) have flirty as fuck chemistry so it’ll be interesting to see if the press starts hounding Jada about their relationship and if that fucks things up.

It’s very difficult to do this if you’re a celebrity with people following your every move and judging your Primary. But if you’re just some dude? All you have to worry about are her friends and family really.

Most guys will never experiment with this because they’re in too much scarcity and don’t want to risk losing their Primary, so there’s not a lot of information about the exact ABC steps to go about doing it. And if you openly discuss it, it fucks it up, so a guy like RSD Tyler who’s been running this setup for years can’t say too much or next thing you know he has a ton of people judging his GF and the whole thing falls apart.

Girls don’t give a shit about monogamy. They think they do, because they’re socially conditioned, but a girl knows a high-value guy is going to fuck around…as long as that’s congruently who he is from the start. Tiger Woods fucked up because he pretended to be a monogamous family man and then got caught…so he was a deceptive cheat. Someone like Russell Brand can have multiple girls on the go because that’s what you congruently expect from a guy like him.

It’s a huge topic with a shitload of nuances to it. Start out by making sure new fuckbuddies you meet know you see other girls if you currently pretend not to be when you meet new FBs and learn to calibrate that. Then try telling new ones that you have a girlfriend of 2 years but you’re allowed to play around on your own time so don’t go falling in love with me etc. and learn to calibrate that. With experience you start to understand how to make it work.

You can just lie but I’m not a fan of that, I prefer things to be open and honest because I trust that I’m high-value enough for her to be cool with me seeing other girls (and expect it really). Lying runs the risk of too much drama if you get caught (ie – Tiger Woods) and I like my life low-drama lol


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@Will
“Are you saying that you can make it so that the girl your with is okay with you hooking up with other girls as long as your emotionally all-in with your main girl? or are you saying that you just spin plates and don’t necessarily hook up with the other girls? or is it you hook up with other girls and secretly have other girls on the side without her knowing….”

Whatever you want, you can have, if you learn to hold your frame, understand women’s psychology, know EXACTLY what you want, and screen properly (not just “playing the numbers game” and hoping to stumble onto a chick who’s just down for it, but knowing how to present and frame things and ease a girl into it and dismantle her doubts/questions about it to show her why it’s nothing she should worry about and in some ways is beneficial to her…a lot of girls are actually cool with it but don’t realize it because they’re running on social conditioning that says “love = monogamy” and simply need to be shown that the boogeyman is just two kids standing on eachother’s shoulder with a sheet over them).

Different arrangements take a different amount of understanding and balance to pull off. The keys to remember are:

1) Hypergamy rules. As long as you stay high-value, she’ll choose you. So you don’t get to slack off…if you want to become a lazy slob, do monogamy. Hypergamy rules so much that you can even TELL her to go bang other guys and as long as she views you as higher value than them, she wont bang them. Trust Hypergamy. Girls would rather have 10% of a badass alpha, than 100% of a chode beta…you’re giving her 90% of a badass alpha. That’s a good fuckin’ deal and her Hypergamy understands that.

2) Understand what value IS to a woman. It’s not height and looks and money. A lot of guys won’t be able to pull off this arrangement because they’re caught in the paradigm of “but I can’t be higher value than that guy over there because that guy over there is tall and good-looking and rich!!!!!” To pull it off you have to legitimately believe you’re higher-value than all other men because she pings off you to decide how to feel…so what you feel, she feels. Strongest frame wins, and if you understand that the emotions you give her (and what type of emotions TO give her (ie – dread game is seemingly “bad” emotions, and yet she needs it the same way we all go see movies that give us “bad” emotions at points instead of just happy movies with no conflict)) are what she values. Not being able to accept this is probably the biggest reason guys can’t pull this off.

3) You can ALWAYS go from an open relationship or one where you’re playing around, to monogamy, but you can’t (or at least it’s close to impossible) go from monogamy to an open arrangement or one where you can play around. The former is her taming the badboy and is a huge win to her. The latter is you saying “you’re not good enough, I want more”. So you can ALWAYS go forward toward monogamy but you can’t go backward…so when she meets you, you should be living the lifestyle you want her to accept and you should not compromise on it, especially not on her terms (ie – most men will cave at her saying “I like you too much, I can’t do this if you’re going to keep seeing other girls”, instead of wishing her the best of luck and waiting for her to come back and accept it). Be congruent with it from the start instead of trying to spring it on her a year in. When guys say “I’ve been seeing this girl and she’s cool but I’m not ready to settle yet, how do I do one of those open things?” it’s already too late. They should have been setting the frame from the start so they aren’t trying to go backwards.

4) The most important thing to an LTR is knowing that she’s above all the other girls. As long as she knows that she comes first and that you aren’t going to leave her for some other girl, she’ll be fine. The problem is a lot of guys have no self-restraint and fuck this one up…they run too much dread-game on their LTR or they catch feelings for their fuckbuddies/ONS or start letting the FB take priority from their LTR and it all falls apart.

5) Knowing that, it comes down to what the Joker says: “Nobody panics when things go “according to plan”, even if the plan is horrifying.” You have to know exactly what you want and exactly what role each girl will play in your life and this is adamant. Your LTR is your Primary and she gets all the relationship stuff on top of the sex stuff. Your Secondaries (regular fuckbuddies) only get the sex stuff and you don’t see them more than once every week or two to avoid either of you catching feelings etc. You don’t go on dates with them, you don’t do cuddle movie nights, you fuck and that’s it. Other girls are below that and are just for very occasional bangs or are one night stands.

The thing that blew my mind when I first started experimenting with this? I knew my Primary would probably be okay with it because she gets reassurance that if I play around on the side it doesn’t mean anything and I’ll be safe about it and come back to her plus she gets all the special stuff…and I knew the lowest tier would probably be okay with it because they aren’t around enough to care about their role in my life. But I figured the Secondary girls would put up a lot of resistance because they’re around me enough to like me but KNOW I have a Primary girlfriend (a bigass photo of her head was on my nightstand lol). Makes sense right? Turns out as long as that Secondary role is very clearly defined, they were totally cool with it and considered my Primary to be a lucky girl. Some of them gave me relationship advice (lol) and would recommend wines to try with my GF and restaraunts to take her too etc. Like actively trying to help my relationship. That was surreal the first time it happened but now I understand it. They know there’s no chance of becoming my Primary so they don’t yearn for it because it’s not an option…contrast that with the guy who has weak boundaries and gives them a cuddle movie date night and now she sees his Primary as “competition” and his Primary sees her as “competition” and now you have drama and it explodes in your face.

6) Keep it all discreet. It’s between you and your girl and she doesn’t need to know the dirty details (unless she’s the type that gets off on that). Women fear social judgement above all. An arrangement that she’s perfectly happy in and actively enjoys, will suddenly feel “wrong” if her friends and family start judging her on it. So act like a good solid boyfriend and let her call you that and call her your girlfriend so that she doesn’t have nosy people prying in, and don’t run around bragging about it. A lot of celebs that have these arrangements have it fall apart because they get too public and everyone starts judging and pressuring the girl (“don’t you respect yourself???” etc.). These relationships are all around you but the ones that work you’ll never know are there.

Really truly internalize all that and you can pull off whatever setup you want. Click my name to check my archives for more. Search for “oLTR” and “open relationship” and “primary” and that should pull up a bunch of detailed shit on this.

“But for example the most famous athlete in the world Christiano Ronaldo was just broken up with by his model girlfriend b/c he was being too promiscuous……I wanted your thoughts on this.”

You know about it. There’s the problem. Discretion is key. Gene Simmons is a good example. Dude avoids marriage basically his whole life, then he does a reality show like a dumbass and suddenly his chick has the social judgement of the entire world on their relationship and now to alleviate the pressure (even though she was likely perfectly fine with their arrangement the entire time up till then) dude has to get married. Will Smith and Jada have an oLTR but they keep the fuck HUSH about that shit. Will’s new movie, him and the main chick (who he probably banged) have flirty as fuck chemistry so it’ll be interesting to see if the press starts hounding Jada about their relationship and if that fucks things up.

It’s very difficult to do this if you’re a celebrity with people following your every move and judging your Primary. But if you’re just some dude? All you have to worry about are her friends and family really.

Most guys will never experiment with this because they’re in too much scarcity and don’t want to risk losing their Primary, so there’s not a lot of information about the exact ABC steps to go about doing it. And if you openly discuss it, it fucks it up, so a guy like RSD Tyler who’s been running this setup for years can’t say too much or next thing you know he has a ton of people judging his GF and the whole thing falls apart.

Girls don’t give a shit about monogamy. They think they do, because they’re socially conditioned, but a girl knows a high-value guy is going to fuck around…as long as that’s congruently who he is from the start. Tiger Woods fucked up because he pretended to be a monogamous family man and then got caught…so he was a deceptive cheat. Someone like Russell Brand can have multiple girls on the go because that’s what you congruently expect from a guy like him.

It’s a huge topic with a shitload of nuances to it. Start out by making sure new fuckbuddies you meet know you see other girls if you currently pretend not to be when you meet new FBs and learn to calibrate that. Then try telling new ones that you have a girlfriend of 2 years but you’re allowed to play around on your own time so don’t go falling in love with me etc. and learn to calibrate that. With experience you start to understand how to make it work.

You can just lie but I’m not a fan of that, I prefer things to be open and honest because I trust that I’m high-value enough for her to be cool with me seeing other girls (and expect it really). Lying runs the risk of too much drama if you get caught (ie – Tiger Woods) and I like my life low-drama lol


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@Will
“Basically Christiano Ronaldo can’t even do what your saying….unless you claim he didn’t play his cards right……”

That’s what I claim. Trying to maintain an oLTR or harem arrangement as a AAA celebrity is like trying to balance a tube of nitroglycerin in the back of a moving truck speeding down a bumpy road.

“Also, the problem is getting those girls that chase you. Usually girls don’t just relentlessly chase like that…..”

If you can’t get girls to chase you then it’s time to work on your game. Re-read Mystery Method (cat string theory, qualifying, push/pull, etc.) and search my archives for Julien’s PIMP videos relating to making a girl invest. Todd from RSD has some good stuff on getting them to chase you as well. Making a girl chase you is like, ground-floor basic game. Going out there and just crossing your fingers that girls will like you enough to chase you just because you make some idle chit-chat is what normal dudes do.

“you gotta pursue at some point or pursue a little. that’s also what confuses me. i don’t know anyone who doesn;t do that or doesn’t have to do that”

It’s all about understanding the psychology and tightening up your game.


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“Basically Christiano Ronaldo can’t even do what your saying….unless you claim he didn’t play his cards right……”

That’s what I claim. Trying to maintain an oLTR or harem arrangement as a AAA celebrity is like trying to balance a tube of nitroglycerin in the back of a moving truck speeding down a bumpy road.

“Also, the problem is getting those girls that chase you. Usually girls don’t just relentlessly chase like that…..”

If you can’t get girls to chase you then it’s time to work on your game. Re-read Mystery Method (cat string theory, qualifying, push/pull, etc.) and search my archives for Julien’s PIMP videos relating to making a girl invest. Todd from RSD has some good stuff on getting them to chase you as well. Making a girl chase you is like, ground-floor basic game. Going out there and just crossing your fingers that girls will like you enough to chase you just because you make some idle chit-chat is what normal dudes do.

“you gotta pursue at some point or pursue a little. that’s also what confuses me. i don’t know anyone who doesn;t do that or doesn’t have to do that”

It’s all about understanding the psychology and tightening up your game.


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@Rollo
Two things that make me lol:

1) The thread is now FULL of dudes who ALL KNEW EVO-PSYCHE WAS BULLSHIT YA MAN I WAS TOTALLY WORKIN ON MY OWN THEORIES ABOUT THAT I’M CURIOUS TO SEE ROOSH’S THOUGHTS CUZ LIKE I KNEW THE WHOLE TIME BRO…whatever Leader says, goes. Two legs good, four legs baa-a-a-ad!

2) They post stuff like this (about Roosh’s video): “I thought I was the only one captivated by his mesmerising expression and depth of emotion but now I see it had the same effect on many others too. I’ve taken down notes, and for the avoidance of doubt there is absolutely no sarcasm or slyness in this post.”

…which is weird, because I thought homosexuals WEREN’T allowed in their movement.

It’s fascinating to watch in terms of observing social dynamics, but I would feel better about it if it were just a group of retarded dudes. Seeing a group of guys who study game acting like this is just like…wtf were you guys studying?? Did you skip everything everyone’s ever written or talked about with regards to internal game, ego, giving value, etc.?? I’m just disappointed in them more than anything…but I guess that happens when you have more fun LARP’ing that you’re James Bond than being a guy who’s actually trying to develop himself.


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@Rollo
Two things that make me lol:

1) The thread is now FULL of dudes who ALL KNEW EVO-PSYCHE WAS BULLSHIT YA MAN I WAS TOTALLY WORKIN ON MY OWN THEORIES ABOUT THAT I’M CURIOUS TO SEE ROOSH’S THOUGHTS CUZ LIKE I KNEW THE WHOLE TIME BRO…whatever Leader says, goes. Two legs good, four legs baa-a-a-ad!

2) They post stuff like this (about Roosh’s video): “I thought I was the only one captivated by his mesmerising expression and depth of emotion but now I see it had the same effect on many others too. I’ve taken down notes, and for the avoidance of doubt there is absolutely no sarcasm or slyness in this post.”

…which is weird, because I thought homosexuals WEREN’T allowed in their movement.

It’s fascinating to watch in terms of observing social dynamics, but I would feel better about it if it were just a group of retarded dudes. Seeing a group of guys who study game acting like this is just like…wtf were you guys studying?? Did you skip everything everyone’s ever written or talked about with regards to internal game, ego, giving value, etc.?? I’m just disappointed in them more than anything…but I guess that happens when you have more fun LARP’ing that you’re James Bond than being a guy who’s actually trying to develop himself.


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“It’s coordinated as expected.”

lol it doesn’t matter in the end. Their own members’ behavior destroys any credibility they want to gain. No one is rushing to sign up for neomasculinity except the guys who already love him. Just protect your own ass and expect trolls and possible hacking (backup all your writing and shit etc.) as you weather the storm while they’re in butthurt-mode right now. I recommend updating your passwords and using a password manager where you can have long as fuck crazy passwords. Two-step verification where you can couldn’t hurt. I’d like to think they wouldn’t go that far, but who the fuck knows after the SJW/Feminist shit they’ve been pulling.

@Sun Wukong
“But I’m assuming from my experience with chicks that I genuinely outclassed in SMV and knew it,”

If you could treat a 10 like you treat a 4 (in terms of your subcommunications that come with truly knowing that you obviously outclass her in SMV), she would respond just like the 4.

Game, literally, is just entitlement. Everything stems from that. Approach anxiety is from not feeling entitled enough to deserve the girl. Screening is something only a guy who feels entitled to girls of her calibur would do (because if she doesn’t pass his screening he can get another one just as good as her). Dominance, leading, holding your frame, escalating, all of it comes from entitlement.

If you could flip a switch in your brain, like if we could hook up some kind of electrode and zap that switch in your brain from “I don’t deserve this type of girl yet” to “of course I deserve her”, you would be able to get the hottest of the hot.

Guys waste WAY too much time on subpar girls. Go for the hottest ones you see and start blowing through your limiting beliefs. If you don’t see many hot girls around, figure out where you CAN find them.


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“It’s coordinated as expected.”

lol it doesn’t matter in the end. Their own members’ behavior destroys any credibility they want to gain. No one is rushing to sign up for neomasculinity except the guys who already love him. Just protect your own ass and expect trolls and possible hacking (backup all your writing and shit etc.) as you weather the storm while they’re in butthurt-mode right now. I recommend updating your passwords and using a password manager where you can have long as fuck crazy passwords. Two-step verification where you can couldn’t hurt. I’d like to think they wouldn’t go that far, but who the fuck knows after the SJW/Feminist shit they’ve been pulling.

@Sun Wukong
“But I’m assuming from my experience with chicks that I genuinely outclassed in SMV and knew it,”

If you could treat a 10 like you treat a 4 (in terms of your subcommunications that come with truly knowing that you obviously outclass her in SMV), she would respond just like the 4.

Game, literally, is just entitlement. Everything stems from that. Approach anxiety is from not feeling entitled enough to deserve the girl. Screening is something only a guy who feels entitled to girls of her calibur would do (because if she doesn’t pass his screening he can get another one just as good as her). Dominance, leading, holding your frame, escalating, all of it comes from entitlement.

If you could flip a switch in your brain, like if we could hook up some kind of electrode and zap that switch in your brain from “I don’t deserve this type of girl yet” to “of course I deserve her”, you would be able to get the hottest of the hot.

Guys waste WAY too much time on subpar girls. Go for the hottest ones you see and start blowing through your limiting beliefs. If you don’t see many hot girls around, figure out where you CAN find them.


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“Were I to guess, I’d suppose my swagger came across as “hollow” since under the hood I didn’t believe the shit I was saying.”

You got it. Put it this way: you’ve been learning to “have swagger” for what, a few years? Once a month you see a girl as hot as her and approach her maybe? A smokin hot girl has been learning to sniff out “fake swagger” literally everywhere she goes since she grew tits. If you don’t believe it, she’s going to notice it in your subcommunications.

“How do you convince yourself of things that your brain deep down is saying “Dude we know this is bullshit. She’s never gonna buy it”? That seems like where I’m really stumbling.”

Reference experience. :) The more of them you approach, the more you get little mini-successes and can build up the idea in your head that you can get them. The problem is 1) society has told you you don’t deserve them your entire life so you’re working against a shitload of bad wiring. 2) banging 5s doesn’t, unfortunately, translate to feeling like you deserve the hotter girls. Banging 5s makes you feel like you deserve 6s, banging 6s makes you feel like you deserve 7s, etc. So a lot of guys get stuck on the 5s and hope that if they build up a harem of those, it’ll translate into feeling like they deserve the 8+ girls. But in reality you’re shooting so far below your potential that you probably feel embarrassed and ashamed about it and that just makes you feel even LESS like you deserve the hotties.

Tyler and RSD in general put out a LOT of content about entitlement and feeling like you’re enough and getting the hotter girls etc., highly recommend watching their vids on it, like these (2nd vid has a solid in-field pickup at the start that shows what feeling entitled looks like, most guys would never have gotten in that chick’s car assuming success lol):

There are like, dozens of vids. You can pretty much just glance at the “related videos” list off this one and hop from video to video on internal game advice lol If you can run a harem of ugly chicks then you HAVE the technical skills down. All you need to do now is work on your sense of entitlement.

“It’s a bland city built for commerce and raising 2.5 children in the ‘burbs with your overpriced wife.”

GTFO soon as you can. Next city you move to get a place near the bar scene if you can. You can always move out to the burbs in a year if the price is too high or you don’t like the noise etc, but give yourself the best logistics possible. I’ve lived in a few places and the places where I had to travel to get to the bar district (or malls etc. for daygame but I like night game more) the tough logistics were a nightmare and got expensive (cabs etc.) over time. Now I live in the middle of the bars, any night of the week I’m only a couple blocks away from whatever’s popular that night and I only have to walk a girl a couple blocks to bang. Makes such a difference. Plus hearing the nightlife outside motivates me to go join the fun if I’m feeling all introverty (I’m in heavy work mode right now though, so hearing girls walking by giggling away heading to party is just torture lol)

“I’m really curious if any of the more experienced guys like yourself have found it to be a better idea to just steer clear of them as prospects and enjoy them as nice scenery.”

Personally I strictly follow “don’t shit where you eat” because I like my life to be drama-free. But I have a Natural buddy who banged multiple staff chicks at multiple favorite venues we’d go to (fuckin guy lol) and I was surprised to see that there really wasn’t THAT much drama from it. I don’t know if he just got lucky or what but the fallout wasn’t as bad as I always figured it would be but personally I don’t like to take the chance, especially if I really like that venue. If drama with, say, a hot bartender chick at a nightclub venue I love, could potentially make my nights there awkward or shitty (or worst-case get me banned), then I’ll flirt but that’s it ’cause that venue has potentially thousands of girls all year round that I can try to bang…doesn’t make sense to risk fucking that up for one chick.

If it’s a place where I don’t usually go then I always try to game the waitress and get her to hang out after her shift that night or go for her number, ’cause why not life is short lol Search for “reco bartender” in my archives for some actual “what do I say and how do I get her to meet up after her shift or number close” advice.

“Still, I’m always tempted…”

Well hell, you just said you’ll be leaving this town in a few years. Any awkward situ you create will just be a funny story to tell about “back when I lived in Dallas” in a few years lol Staff turnover rate is pretty high in customer service too, so there’ve been a number of waitresses at venues I like where I’m like “man I should break that don’t shit where I eat rule…” but I stick to it and then a couple months later she’s finished college and moved away or got a job elsewhere and I’m like “ah shit!! I should’ve just done it!” lol


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“Were I to guess, I’d suppose my swagger came across as “hollow” since under the hood I didn’t believe the shit I was saying.”

You got it. Put it this way: you’ve been learning to “have swagger” for what, a few years? Once a month you see a girl as hot as her and approach her maybe? A smokin hot girl has been learning to sniff out “fake swagger” literally everywhere she goes since she grew tits. If you don’t believe it, she’s going to notice it in your subcommunications.

“How do you convince yourself of things that your brain deep down is saying “Dude we know this is bullshit. She’s never gonna buy it”? That seems like where I’m really stumbling.”

Reference experience. πŸ™‚ The more of them you approach, the more you get little mini-successes and can build up the idea in your head that you can get them. The problem is 1) society has told you you don’t deserve them your entire life so you’re working against a shitload of bad wiring. 2) banging 5s doesn’t, unfortunately, translate to feeling like you deserve the hotter girls. Banging 5s makes you feel like you deserve 6s, banging 6s makes you feel like you deserve 7s, etc. So a lot of guys get stuck on the 5s and hope that if they build up a harem of those, it’ll translate into feeling like they deserve the 8+ girls. But in reality you’re shooting so far below your potential that you probably feel embarrassed and ashamed about it and that just makes you feel even LESS like you deserve the hotties.

Tyler and RSD in general put out a LOT of content about entitlement and feeling like you’re enough and getting the hotter girls etc., highly recommend watching their vids on it, like these (2nd vid has a solid in-field pickup at the start that shows what feeling entitled looks like, most guys would never have gotten in that chick’s car assuming success lol):

There are like, dozens of vids. You can pretty much just glance at the “related videos” list off this one and hop from video to video on internal game advice lol If you can run a harem of ugly chicks then you HAVE the technical skills down. All you need to do now is work on your sense of entitlement.

“It’s a bland city built for commerce and raising 2.5 children in the ‘burbs with your overpriced wife.”

GTFO soon as you can. Next city you move to get a place near the bar scene if you can. You can always move out to the burbs in a year if the price is too high or you don’t like the noise etc, but give yourself the best logistics possible. I’ve lived in a few places and the places where I had to travel to get to the bar district (or malls etc. for daygame but I like night game more) the tough logistics were a nightmare and got expensive (cabs etc.) over time. Now I live in the middle of the bars, any night of the week I’m only a couple blocks away from whatever’s popular that night and I only have to walk a girl a couple blocks to bang. Makes such a difference. Plus hearing the nightlife outside motivates me to go join the fun if I’m feeling all introverty (I’m in heavy work mode right now though, so hearing girls walking by giggling away heading to party is just torture lol)

“I’m really curious if any of the more experienced guys like yourself have found it to be a better idea to just steer clear of them as prospects and enjoy them as nice scenery.”

Personally I strictly follow “don’t shit where you eat” because I like my life to be drama-free. But I have a Natural buddy who banged multiple staff chicks at multiple favorite venues we’d go to (fuckin guy lol) and I was surprised to see that there really wasn’t THAT much drama from it. I don’t know if he just got lucky or what but the fallout wasn’t as bad as I always figured it would be but personally I don’t like to take the chance, especially if I really like that venue. If drama with, say, a hot bartender chick at a nightclub venue I love, could potentially make my nights there awkward or shitty (or worst-case get me banned), then I’ll flirt but that’s it ’cause that venue has potentially thousands of girls all year round that I can try to bang…doesn’t make sense to risk fucking that up for one chick.

If it’s a place where I don’t usually go then I always try to game the waitress and get her to hang out after her shift that night or go for her number, ’cause why not life is short lol Search for “reco bartender” in my archives for some actual “what do I say and how do I get her to meet up after her shift or number close” advice.

“Still, I’m always tempted…”

Well hell, you just said you’ll be leaving this town in a few years. Any awkward situ you create will just be a funny story to tell about “back when I lived in Dallas” in a few years lol Staff turnover rate is pretty high in customer service too, so there’ve been a number of waitresses at venues I like where I’m like “man I should break that don’t shit where I eat rule…” but I stick to it and then a couple months later she’s finished college and moved away or got a job elsewhere and I’m like “ah shit!! I should’ve just done it!” lol


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Sounds like you’re basically the definition of “I could be happy being poor if I hadn’t been rich”.

Like you say, I’m not really in a position to tell you how to fix it ’cause I’m still at your naked golf stage of my life. But with guys like you I look at it like “that could BE me one day. I could be that. He started out around where I am and he got dealt some shitty hands…if it happened to him, it could happen to me. So what would I tell myself?”

I think the process you’re going through right now is basically one of slowly accepting your new reality. You’ve been in denial about it for a while, thinking you’re the same success-shitting wolf you were and knowing it’s not the same but trying to go through the motions of it all the same because it’s fuckin scary to accept that you might not be the super-champ you used to be.

It reminds me of the training scene from Rocky VI:

“You know all there is to know about fighting, so there’s no sense us going down that same old road again. To beat this guy, you need speed – you don’t have it. And your knees can’t take the pounding, so hard running is out. And you got arthritis in your neck, and you’ve got calcium deposits on most of your joints, so sparring is out. (Paulie: I had that problem) So, what we’ll be calling on is good ol’ fashion blunt force trauma. Horsepower. Heavy-duty, cast-iron, piledriving punches that will have to hurt so much they’ll rattle his ancestors. Every time you hit him with a shot, it’s gotta feel like he tried kissing the express train. Yeah! Let’s start building some hurtin’ bombs!”

It’s a cheesy movie, like all the Rocky flicks (don’t care, I love them lol), but that scene is his trainer basically giving him a reality check. You’re not as fast, your knees are weak, you’ve got arthritis, you’re old as fuck, you’re just not the same dude you were when you were a young Italian Stallion killin it in the ring. So we work with what we’ve got and we make do and we figure out what your strengths are now and focus on those. We give up, accept ourselves for what we are now, flaws and all, and figure out how to adapt to the new reality and do what we can with what we’ve got.

I’ve got a ton of problems with motivation and work ethic. It’s a skillset I never learned but it’s a skillset I need to develop right now. It’s a struggle daily to stay on task and get my shit done, and some days I don’t do it and I get that same frustration you get where it’s like “I didn’t do what I know I’m capable of and I can’t even really blame anyone else for it, ’cause I’m the one who didn’t pick up that sandpaper to get at that table, I’m the one who’s choosing to do other unproductive shit or take a nap or find ways to distract myself from actually doing the thing I know I need to be doing”. The difference is that I was never good at it, so I don’t have the ghost of my former awesome self haunting me lol I expect to be a newbie with it and I expect that if I stick at it I’ll eventually succeed, but that’s a lot easier than knowing you’ve done it and can’t seem to do it anymore.

So with that in mind I would say keep doing what you’re doing in terms of self-anaylsis. Write it out here, write it in a blog, write it in a journal, doesn’t matter just get it outside of your head…’cause you’re slowly unwiring not just social conditioning but all your old beliefs about who you are and what you’re capable of. You’re dealing with Past Glenn, not 2015 Glenn but you’re getting there. And when you do, you’ll probably have to accept some unfortunate realities like Rocky in that clip. But once you accept those realities, you can start looking for what you CAN still do, and what you can do better than you used to, if anything. And like Rocky building hurtin’ bombs, you can develop the parts of you that you can and accept that the other parts might just stay broken but don’t necessarily have to hinder you.

The other advice I would give myself if I were in that situation is the same advice we give guys with Approach Anxiety and who are scared of sarging: Lower your criteria for success. Set your goals low and achievable for now. You can build back up to bigger goals, but right now you’re at the bottom. For an analogy: if you used to be able to do 100 push-ups but now you can’t get yourself to do 25, just do 1. Tomorrow you can do 5. A week from now you can do 10. Do that for a while and a month from now you can do 15. You may never be able to do 100, it just might not be possible anymore, but you might be able to eventually get yourself doing 25, and they might be shitty at first, but over time ya you may only be doing 25 push-ups but you’ll be doing them as good as 25 push-ups can be done. Extrapolate that to everything.

A lot of people’s biggest problem is that they set insane goals and then beat themselves up when they can’t achieve them. And it’s worse for you because you used to be able to set insane goals AND achieve them lol So just being NORMAL is technically a failure in your world. But that was then and this is now. Go sand that table for 5 minutes. Or move ONE thing in your workshop, like carry a bucket or toolbox to where you envision it, then call it a day and come back on here or whatever you do. That was a successful day. Tomorrow do it again. Sand for 5 minutes and on your way out move one item. Slowly teach yourself that you can accomplish goals you set out to accomplish, even if those goals are minor compared to what you used to be able to do. You used to be able to rearrange that whole workshop in a day, and sand that shit down in an hour as you lift a dumbbell with your other hand and a girl is under that table suckin your dick lol But this is 2015 Glenn. Start small and let yourself celebrate the little victories. You’re old but you’re not dead yet.

Your daughter is probably just running on instinct. When we see a man who’s not trying, it’s hard to respect and admire him. But when we see a man who’s trying, even if what he can actually DO isn’t as impressive as what someone else (or his former self) could do, we instinctively respect that. Rocky doesn’t even WIN in the first movie, but we all cheer at the ending because we know he worked on doing what he could with what he had.

That’s all I got lol Take from it what you can, it’s what I think I would want to hear when I inevitably hit a similar position where I can’t live up to what I can do now.

Also it sounds like you’ve led a pretty interesting life. Consider writing about it someday. Your daughter will have kids one day, and regardless of how she feels right now those kids might be curious about their grandfather the poon-playing naked-golf playing motorcycle-riding Tibetan monk lol I didn’t know my dad was cool till I was almost 30 and now I have a lot more respect for him and his life than I did when I was growing up.


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@Glenn
Sounds like you’re basically the definition of “I could be happy being poor if I hadn’t been rich”.

Like you say, I’m not really in a position to tell you how to fix it ’cause I’m still at your naked golf stage of my life. But with guys like you I look at it like “that could BE me one day. I could be that. He started out around where I am and he got dealt some shitty hands…if it happened to him, it could happen to me. So what would I tell myself?”

I think the process you’re going through right now is basically one of slowly accepting your new reality. You’ve been in denial about it for a while, thinking you’re the same success-shitting wolf you were and knowing it’s not the same but trying to go through the motions of it all the same because it’s fuckin scary to accept that you might not be the super-champ you used to be.

It reminds me of the training scene from Rocky VI:

“You know all there is to know about fighting, so there’s no sense us going down that same old road again. To beat this guy, you need speed – you don’t have it. And your knees can’t take the pounding, so hard running is out. And you got arthritis in your neck, and you’ve got calcium deposits on most of your joints, so sparring is out. (Paulie: I had that problem) So, what we’ll be calling on is good ol’ fashion blunt force trauma. Horsepower. Heavy-duty, cast-iron, piledriving punches that will have to hurt so much they’ll rattle his ancestors. Every time you hit him with a shot, it’s gotta feel like he tried kissing the express train. Yeah! Let’s start building some hurtin’ bombs!”

It’s a cheesy movie, like all the Rocky flicks (don’t care, I love them lol), but that scene is his trainer basically giving him a reality check. You’re not as fast, your knees are weak, you’ve got arthritis, you’re old as fuck, you’re just not the same dude you were when you were a young Italian Stallion killin it in the ring. So we work with what we’ve got and we make do and we figure out what your strengths are now and focus on those. We give up, accept ourselves for what we are now, flaws and all, and figure out how to adapt to the new reality and do what we can with what we’ve got.

I’ve got a ton of problems with motivation and work ethic. It’s a skillset I never learned but it’s a skillset I need to develop right now. It’s a struggle daily to stay on task and get my shit done, and some days I don’t do it and I get that same frustration you get where it’s like “I didn’t do what I know I’m capable of and I can’t even really blame anyone else for it, ’cause I’m the one who didn’t pick up that sandpaper to get at that table, I’m the one who’s choosing to do other unproductive shit or take a nap or find ways to distract myself from actually doing the thing I know I need to be doing”. The difference is that I was never good at it, so I don’t have the ghost of my former awesome self haunting me lol I expect to be a newbie with it and I expect that if I stick at it I’ll eventually succeed, but that’s a lot easier than knowing you’ve done it and can’t seem to do it anymore.

So with that in mind I would say keep doing what you’re doing in terms of self-anaylsis. Write it out here, write it in a blog, write it in a journal, doesn’t matter just get it outside of your head…’cause you’re slowly unwiring not just social conditioning but all your old beliefs about who you are and what you’re capable of. You’re dealing with Past Glenn, not 2015 Glenn but you’re getting there. And when you do, you’ll probably have to accept some unfortunate realities like Rocky in that clip. But once you accept those realities, you can start looking for what you CAN still do, and what you can do better than you used to, if anything. And like Rocky building hurtin’ bombs, you can develop the parts of you that you can and accept that the other parts might just stay broken but don’t necessarily have to hinder you.

The other advice I would give myself if I were in that situation is the same advice we give guys with Approach Anxiety and who are scared of sarging: Lower your criteria for success. Set your goals low and achievable for now. You can build back up to bigger goals, but right now you’re at the bottom. For an analogy: if you used to be able to do 100 push-ups but now you can’t get yourself to do 25, just do 1. Tomorrow you can do 5. A week from now you can do 10. Do that for a while and a month from now you can do 15. You may never be able to do 100, it just might not be possible anymore, but you might be able to eventually get yourself doing 25, and they might be shitty at first, but over time ya you may only be doing 25 push-ups but you’ll be doing them as good as 25 push-ups can be done. Extrapolate that to everything.

A lot of people’s biggest problem is that they set insane goals and then beat themselves up when they can’t achieve them. And it’s worse for you because you used to be able to set insane goals AND achieve them lol So just being NORMAL is technically a failure in your world. But that was then and this is now. Go sand that table for 5 minutes. Or move ONE thing in your workshop, like carry a bucket or toolbox to where you envision it, then call it a day and come back on here or whatever you do. That was a successful day. Tomorrow do it again. Sand for 5 minutes and on your way out move one item. Slowly teach yourself that you can accomplish goals you set out to accomplish, even if those goals are minor compared to what you used to be able to do. You used to be able to rearrange that whole workshop in a day, and sand that shit down in an hour as you lift a dumbbell with your other hand and a girl is under that table suckin your dick lol But this is 2015 Glenn. Start small and let yourself celebrate the little victories. You’re old but you’re not dead yet.

Your daughter is probably just running on instinct. When we see a man who’s not trying, it’s hard to respect and admire him. But when we see a man who’s trying, even if what he can actually DO isn’t as impressive as what someone else (or his former self) could do, we instinctively respect that. Rocky doesn’t even WIN in the first movie, but we all cheer at the ending because we know he worked on doing what he could with what he had.

That’s all I got lol Take from it what you can, it’s what I think I would want to hear when I inevitably hit a similar position where I can’t live up to what I can do now.

Also it sounds like you’ve led a pretty interesting life. Consider writing about it someday. Your daughter will have kids one day, and regardless of how she feels right now those kids might be curious about their grandfather the poon-playing naked-golf playing motorcycle-riding Tibetan monk lol I didn’t know my dad was cool till I was almost 30 and now I have a lot more respect for him and his life than I did when I was growing up.


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@Rollo
Standard tactic by SJWs/trolls/etc. these days. Gamergate has been dealing with it non-stop. Consider that a lot of it isn’t even the RVF but just 3rd party people (SJWs, Feminists, etc.) capitalizing on a rift.

Give this a read to get yourself up to date on modern trolling tactics, it’s an interesting read from a Red Pill perspective too:

http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

You may have to increase moderation for a period of time (ie – till they lose interest, which generally doesn’t take long since there’s SO MUCH to be outraged about lol), but if you have to do that I’m sure we all trust your judgement and know that you aren’t just deleting shit left and right (despite the “punks” who will inevitably claim it).

I’d say it speaks to the quality of your site and its commenters that the Moby-esque stuff that’s gone on so far has really only made commenter produce a bunch of high-quality discussion/content in response to it lol


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@Rollo
Standard tactic by SJWs/trolls/etc. these days. Gamergate has been dealing with it non-stop. Consider that a lot of it isn’t even the RVF but just 3rd party people (SJWs, Feminists, etc.) capitalizing on a rift.

Give this a read to get yourself up to date on modern trolling tactics, it’s an interesting read from a Red Pill perspective too:

http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

You may have to increase moderation for a period of time (ie – till they lose interest, which generally doesn’t take long since there’s SO MUCH to be outraged about lol), but if you have to do that I’m sure we all trust your judgement and know that you aren’t just deleting shit left and right (despite the “punks” who will inevitably claim it).

I’d say it speaks to the quality of your site and its commenters that the Moby-esque stuff that’s gone on so far has really only made commenter produce a bunch of high-quality discussion/content in response to it lol


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“How about my other friend that had a false rape charge? (thank god for game blogs that teach to get the “morning after” text) Or how about my friend who’s girl said she was sexually abused by her father, and wasn’t? (rationalizing her lack of wanting to fuck him…ahhh negotiating desire strikes again)”

Pretty much every single girl I meet these days tells me a sob story about how her boyfriend was abusive. I don’t even listen anymore lol They’ll say the same thing about me to their next boyfriend I’m sure. It’s a lot easier for them than saying “I fucked up or made dumb decisions and he left me and was totally justified because I was stupid and wanted to ride the cock carousel” lol

I had a girl tell me I was being emotionally abusive because I didn’t respond to her txts while I was at work lol Silly emotional female logic.


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“How about my other friend that had a false rape charge? (thank god for game blogs that teach to get the “morning after” text) Or how about my friend who’s girl said she was sexually abused by her father, and wasn’t? (rationalizing her lack of wanting to fuck him…ahhh negotiating desire strikes again)”

Pretty much every single girl I meet these days tells me a sob story about how her boyfriend was abusive. I don’t even listen anymore lol They’ll say the same thing about me to their next boyfriend I’m sure. It’s a lot easier for them than saying “I fucked up or made dumb decisions and he left me and was totally justified because I was stupid and wanted to ride the cock carousel” lol

I had a girl tell me I was being emotionally abusive because I didn’t respond to her txts while I was at work lol Silly emotional female logic.


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Figure this is a relevant time to post this:

Calm rational facts are what take apart people who’s world view is based on their irrational feels. You may recognize this guy from Fox News recently (he does a self-reference around the 30 min mark that’s awesome lol).


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Figure this is a relevant time to post this:

Calm rational facts are what take apart people who’s world view is based on their irrational feels. You may recognize this guy from Fox News recently (he does a self-reference around the 30 min mark that’s awesome lol).


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@Rollo
“It’s definitely coordinated.”

I’m sure you’re a busy guy, and probably don’t follow gamergate, but if you get some downtime and are curious about coordinated efforts to promote the feminist imperative funded by large corporations and mainstream media, this is a 3 hour long rabbit hole that is 100% verified and sourced (every single point is videos of the people themselves, archives of websites/tweets/etc. that are all recorded history that can be verified) that shows, well, something that would sound like an insane conspiracy theory if it wasn’t completely sourced and it didn’t include the people involved literally talking about using the internet to promote specific narratives and propaganda etc.

Try to ignore the guy’s Batman dramatic voice at the start, he starts speaking normally after the first half hour or so lol

The guy himself is a nutter in his other videos which should discredit everything BUT: he shows the sources for literally everything and it’s all verifiable public information (think of this as an EPIC form of doxxing) so it’s hard to dismiss the connections he shows. I kept waiting for him to go off the rails into conspiracy territory but he just keeps sourcing everything and when he ties it all together in the end it’s based off the previous 2 hours and 50 min of undeniable sourced evidence. The most important/relevant part is near the end, about 2:56:50 where he brings together all the evidence he’s been showing (highly recommend watching it so you don’t write the last part off as just a crazy conspiracy theorist, there’s video of these people literally saying they do this), fully sourced, how fake crises are manufactured for the sake of promoting the FI:

This thing got shilled HARDCORE. Soon as it was posted shills came out of the woodwork trying to discredit the guy and get people not to look at it, but every second of it is sourced and you can’t really ignore it. The shills wrote a bunch of stuff like “omg it starts out good but then the guy just comes up with all these conspiracies lol don’t waste your time” etc. but the entire thing is sourced from start to finish with no speculation that isn’t backed by the evidence you’re seeing in the video.

This is actually something every anti-feminist group should watch, from PUAs to MRAs to MGTOW to Manosphere to Roosh’s new movement. This is what all groups who don’t want their sons brainwashed into the FI from day one are up against.

It’s interesting to see it in action, but we have definitely entered an age where that kind of coordinated trolling/shilling effort is now standard warfare. Is that what’s actually happening here? No idea but if it smells fishy I can’t say there isn’t reason to suspect it.

But again, even if it IS a coordinated effort, it can be a third party with other interests and even with no fucks given about the subject, it’s not necessarily the people you would expect.


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@Rollo
“It’s definitely coordinated.”

I’m sure you’re a busy guy, and probably don’t follow gamergate, but if you get some downtime and are curious about coordinated efforts to promote the feminist imperative funded by large corporations and mainstream media, this is a 3 hour long rabbit hole that is 100% verified and sourced (every single point is videos of the people themselves, archives of websites/tweets/etc. that are all recorded history that can be verified) that shows, well, something that would sound like an insane conspiracy theory if it wasn’t completely sourced and it didn’t include the people involved literally talking about using the internet to promote specific narratives and propaganda etc.

Try to ignore the guy’s Batman dramatic voice at the start, he starts speaking normally after the first half hour or so lol

The guy himself is a nutter in his other videos which should discredit everything BUT: he shows the sources for literally everything and it’s all verifiable public information (think of this as an EPIC form of doxxing) so it’s hard to dismiss the connections he shows. I kept waiting for him to go off the rails into conspiracy territory but he just keeps sourcing everything and when he ties it all together in the end it’s based off the previous 2 hours and 50 min of undeniable sourced evidence. The most important/relevant part is near the end, about 2:56:50 where he brings together all the evidence he’s been showing (highly recommend watching it so you don’t write the last part off as just a crazy conspiracy theorist, there’s video of these people literally saying they do this), fully sourced, how fake crises are manufactured for the sake of promoting the FI:

This thing got shilled HARDCORE. Soon as it was posted shills came out of the woodwork trying to discredit the guy and get people not to look at it, but every second of it is sourced and you can’t really ignore it. The shills wrote a bunch of stuff like “omg it starts out good but then the guy just comes up with all these conspiracies lol don’t waste your time” etc. but the entire thing is sourced from start to finish with no speculation that isn’t backed by the evidence you’re seeing in the video.

This is actually something every anti-feminist group should watch, from PUAs to MRAs to MGTOW to Manosphere to Roosh’s new movement. This is what all groups who don’t want their sons brainwashed into the FI from day one are up against.

It’s interesting to see it in action, but we have definitely entered an age where that kind of coordinated trolling/shilling effort is now standard warfare. Is that what’s actually happening here? No idea but if it smells fishy I can’t say there isn’t reason to suspect it.

But again, even if it IS a coordinated effort, it can be a third party with other interests and even with no fucks given about the subject, it’s not necessarily the people you would expect.


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@Will
“she dropped a “are you seeing any other girls consistently right now….what do you want from me…..I can’t just be your fucktoy….we should try more relationshipy see where it goes””

This is The Ultimatum. It happens when a chick catches too many feelings for you. You can slow down how fast this happens by following the rules (don’t see her more than once every week or two, no doing romantic date nights just sex, basically don’t act like a boyfriend), but it happens sooner or later (usually around the 3 month mark if you’re seeing her once a week but I’ve had it last past 8 months without hitting it).

“I think being honest is the best answer when these type questions come up….”

I prefer honesty. I’ll stress that she means a lot to me and that other girls don’t affect how I feel about her and I don’t even remember their names etc. I just like variety etc. I don’t even let them stay over and don’t take them on dates etc. Basically letting her know that she’s getting perks the other girls don’t get.

“What you’re saying is this is supposed to happen with a girl?”

It’s pretty inevitable if you’re a quality dude. But ideally you try to slow it down so it doesn’t come ’cause shit gets dramatic from there. Because I don’t want an LTR I hold my ground and usually they’ll go find themselves a boyfriend for a few months but he’ll end up being lame or shitty in bed compared to me and I’ll get a txt at 2am on a Friday night pinging me to see if I respond and that’s the “I want to fuck you again” signal…sometimes she’s broken up and single, sometimes she’s still seeing the guy but just needs better sex, but this is the general pattern. So I don’t stress it ’cause I know they’ll be back.

Blackdragon calls this:

“LSNFTE – Long Soft Next For Temporary Exclusivity. A common occurrence with Alphas in nonmonogamous relationships where a woman leaves the Alpha, who will not give her monogamy, so she can get a traditional boyfriend or husband who will. The new boyfriend/husband is always an AFC, beta, or Alpha Male 1.0, who eventually either bores her to death, irritates her with too many rules, or cheats on her. The woman then leaves the boyfriend/husband and goes right back to the Alpha, resuming the sexual relationship. LSNFTEs last anywhere from a few weeks to many years.”

“when your emotionally involved with a girl it might be difficult to just have a fuck buddy on the side or something ya know?”

That’s just you being an emo girl lol If you can’t control your emotions then you shouldn’t try to do this because it’ll blow up in your face and probably hurt your girl. If you can’t stop yourself from developing deep feelings for the other girls or you feel guilty fucking other girls when you have a Primary then don’t bother with this ’cause you will fuck it up. It takes self-discipline.

“I feel like I risk beta backslide/expectations with her when I emotionally cave into making her my primary (so it’ll almost be like a slow death or something)”

You can, that’s a risk in any LTR. Once you slide far back enough to where you need her, she’ll start losing attraction.

“she wasn’t initiating texts/hangouts with me as much because I think she thinks she wasn’t my primary or something. So if I wanted to make her text and initiate more hangouts then I should’ve made it more obvious that she’s my primary? Is that maybe why she said “what do you want from me” basically that would mean “am I your primary or what’s going on here?””

Ya, the “what do you want from me” usually means “I can’t tell where I am in your hierarchy of girls”. That’s why I say you have to have very defined roles. Watch Hugh Hefner’s Girls Next Door show (ignore that they all get money lol) and pay attention to how Holly has status above the other girls. She gets to sleep in his bed, she gets to handle aspects of the magazine that he wouldn’t let anyone but him normally do, etc. She generally has authority over the other girls. It’s little subtle things but Holly and the other girls know at all times that Holly is the Primary and everyone accepts their place.

If you’re wishy-washy and you’re all romantic one minute then aloof the next and you take some other girl out on dates etc. and just jumble it all up then the girls can’t tell what their role is and they get confused and frustrated and you get drama like this.

““how do you get the pretty girl chasing….I.e. Initiating more hangouts, wanted to text etc” and making signs she’s my primary is the healthy way to do that?”

No offense but given some of what you’ve written I don’t think her not chasing you is something you can fix with this particular girl. You’re clearly emo over her, if she just stopped talking to you she might just be repulsed by that neediness. I can’t really tell from your writing what exactly went down so I’m going by the jist of what I think you’re saying happened.

“Also, I feel like two things always happen a) beta backslide or too much bullshit from the primary or b) you start texting you “not primary” too much and she gets confused then falls off the map b/c you’re starting to look needy etc……………..”

Ya it’s a tricky balance. That’s why guys fuck it up lol

No idea on all the emo stuff you wrote about doofus and piece of mind lol Figure your shit out.

“Also for the sake of everyone else in the sphere and myself….could it be you are calling this “white picket fence with a family” thing an “illusion” b/c you aren’t in a place in your life to make that a reality so you are basically just rationalizing why you aren’t able to do that?”

lol Take the husband in all those white picket fence with a family situs out and get him drunk as fuck and ask him about marriage and his dreams. Then take the wife out and get her drunk as fuck and flirt with her. See how that white picket fence holds up. :)

But don’t worry, maybe you’re different, maybe she’s special and I just don’t know her like you do and you’ll be the one to make it work!

@Rollo
I’d say Charlotte and insanity are both (sadly) legit. They both sound like a bunch of nosy/ignorant women I’ve run into. I don’t think they’ll go away but I doubt they’re being paid to be here…they’re just dumb lol But the “punk” guy and the switching usernames “quit deleting my posts” guy are trolls for sure.


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@Will
“she dropped a “are you seeing any other girls consistently right now….what do you want from me…..I can’t just be your fucktoy….we should try more relationshipy see where it goes””

This is The Ultimatum. It happens when a chick catches too many feelings for you. You can slow down how fast this happens by following the rules (don’t see her more than once every week or two, no doing romantic date nights just sex, basically don’t act like a boyfriend), but it happens sooner or later (usually around the 3 month mark if you’re seeing her once a week but I’ve had it last past 8 months without hitting it).

“I think being honest is the best answer when these type questions come up….”

I prefer honesty. I’ll stress that she means a lot to me and that other girls don’t affect how I feel about her and I don’t even remember their names etc. I just like variety etc. I don’t even let them stay over and don’t take them on dates etc. Basically letting her know that she’s getting perks the other girls don’t get.

“What you’re saying is this is supposed to happen with a girl?”

It’s pretty inevitable if you’re a quality dude. But ideally you try to slow it down so it doesn’t come ’cause shit gets dramatic from there. Because I don’t want an LTR I hold my ground and usually they’ll go find themselves a boyfriend for a few months but he’ll end up being lame or shitty in bed compared to me and I’ll get a txt at 2am on a Friday night pinging me to see if I respond and that’s the “I want to fuck you again” signal…sometimes she’s broken up and single, sometimes she’s still seeing the guy but just needs better sex, but this is the general pattern. So I don’t stress it ’cause I know they’ll be back.

Blackdragon calls this:

“LSNFTE – Long Soft Next For Temporary Exclusivity. A common occurrence with Alphas in nonmonogamous relationships where a woman leaves the Alpha, who will not give her monogamy, so she can get a traditional boyfriend or husband who will. The new boyfriend/husband is always an AFC, beta, or Alpha Male 1.0, who eventually either bores her to death, irritates her with too many rules, or cheats on her. The woman then leaves the boyfriend/husband and goes right back to the Alpha, resuming the sexual relationship. LSNFTEs last anywhere from a few weeks to many years.”

“when your emotionally involved with a girl it might be difficult to just have a fuck buddy on the side or something ya know?”

That’s just you being an emo girl lol If you can’t control your emotions then you shouldn’t try to do this because it’ll blow up in your face and probably hurt your girl. If you can’t stop yourself from developing deep feelings for the other girls or you feel guilty fucking other girls when you have a Primary then don’t bother with this ’cause you will fuck it up. It takes self-discipline.

“I feel like I risk beta backslide/expectations with her when I emotionally cave into making her my primary (so it’ll almost be like a slow death or something)”

You can, that’s a risk in any LTR. Once you slide far back enough to where you need her, she’ll start losing attraction.

“she wasn’t initiating texts/hangouts with me as much because I think she thinks she wasn’t my primary or something. So if I wanted to make her text and initiate more hangouts then I should’ve made it more obvious that she’s my primary? Is that maybe why she said “what do you want from me” basically that would mean “am I your primary or what’s going on here?””

Ya, the “what do you want from me” usually means “I can’t tell where I am in your hierarchy of girls”. That’s why I say you have to have very defined roles. Watch Hugh Hefner’s Girls Next Door show (ignore that they all get money lol) and pay attention to how Holly has status above the other girls. She gets to sleep in his bed, she gets to handle aspects of the magazine that he wouldn’t let anyone but him normally do, etc. She generally has authority over the other girls. It’s little subtle things but Holly and the other girls know at all times that Holly is the Primary and everyone accepts their place.

If you’re wishy-washy and you’re all romantic one minute then aloof the next and you take some other girl out on dates etc. and just jumble it all up then the girls can’t tell what their role is and they get confused and frustrated and you get drama like this.

““how do you get the pretty girl chasing….I.e. Initiating more hangouts, wanted to text etc” and making signs she’s my primary is the healthy way to do that?”

No offense but given some of what you’ve written I don’t think her not chasing you is something you can fix with this particular girl. You’re clearly emo over her, if she just stopped talking to you she might just be repulsed by that neediness. I can’t really tell from your writing what exactly went down so I’m going by the jist of what I think you’re saying happened.

“Also, I feel like two things always happen a) beta backslide or too much bullshit from the primary or b) you start texting you “not primary” too much and she gets confused then falls off the map b/c you’re starting to look needy etc……………..”

Ya it’s a tricky balance. That’s why guys fuck it up lol

No idea on all the emo stuff you wrote about doofus and piece of mind lol Figure your shit out.

“Also for the sake of everyone else in the sphere and myself….could it be you are calling this “white picket fence with a family” thing an “illusion” b/c you aren’t in a place in your life to make that a reality so you are basically just rationalizing why you aren’t able to do that?”

lol Take the husband in all those white picket fence with a family situs out and get him drunk as fuck and ask him about marriage and his dreams. Then take the wife out and get her drunk as fuck and flirt with her. See how that white picket fence holds up. πŸ™‚

But don’t worry, maybe you’re different, maybe she’s special and I just don’t know her like you do and you’ll be the one to make it work!

@Rollo
I’d say Charlotte and insanity are both (sadly) legit. They both sound like a bunch of nosy/ignorant women I’ve run into. I don’t think they’ll go away but I doubt they’re being paid to be here…they’re just dumb lol But the “punk” guy and the switching usernames “quit deleting my posts” guy are trolls for sure.


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@insanity
“That reveals an outright repressed hostility towards all women.”

Maybe he has an outright repressed hostility towards STUPID women.

…although based on you two I wonder if both of those statements say the same thing.

@Rollo
You really should listen to her. She knows you better than you know yourself. You’re just a man, after all, what would you know? You’re still in the anger phase, you misogynist shitlord and she just want to help you…probably cause of her motherly instincts that trump AF/BB. lol

This has gotten to the point where parodying it completely engages Poe’s Law.


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@insanity
“That reveals an outright repressed hostility towards all women.”

Maybe he has an outright repressed hostility towards STUPID women.

…although based on you two I wonder if both of those statements say the same thing.

@Rollo
You really should listen to her. She knows you better than you know yourself. You’re just a man, after all, what would you know? You’re still in the anger phase, you misogynist shitlord and she just want to help you…probably cause of her motherly instincts that trump AF/BB. lol

This has gotten to the point where parodying it completely engages Poe’s Law.


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@Glenn @Forge @etc
“Lol, you don’t know how much Glenn is enjoying this Insanity. I’ve told you before, you don’t understand male anger at all.”

ya I am lol’ing over here. There’s no dude here that actually thinks Glenn is some big rage-monger except trolls. Dude is just swinging at the chubby punching bags because it’s therapeutic and funny, and with any luck they’ll find it distasteful enough to leave. …and yet, they don’t leave. huh, I wonder why that could be. Hint ladies: You can’t laugh at a guy’s raging rant and then ALSO play the “omg you have so much scary rage I’m really worried about you” card. It’s so blatantly two-faced that it just gives ammo to the guys who think women are two-faced as they read it and go “look at that shit right there!! She’s completely playing the damsel in distress concern-troll card right after she wrote a bunch of “hahaha!!”s, what the fuck!!”

All you’re doing is helping us recruit more men out of the lurkers, so thanks! :)

“@All – Consider that the shaming of male “hate” and anger and rage etc. is a primary FI informed meme which women (not just feminists) use to neuter men.”

Yep.

I’m busy so I’m just skimming the comments but literally EVERY response from the two vaginas here (and their backup third vag that popped in for a drive-by grrl-power sesh lol) is either a paragraph of nonsense, comebacks an 8 year old would make, concern-trolling, and when anyone makes any valid points or asks pointed questions they just completely dismiss it. They’re not interested in any kind of logical rational discussion, which I mean, they’re post-wall women so you can’t really expect that lol

So if they’re not here for actual discussion then I say have at it Glenn, vent away, who cares? We aren’t here to impress anyone, this is the gym where we work and sweat, the last thing we need is to tip-toe around the damaged manosphere groupies looking for an attention hand-out.

Glenn will deal with any completely justified rational anger in the way that Glenn chooses to deal with it. He doesn’t need the approval of the FI.

I get it, I do. You’re not 21 anymore and nobody here wants to fuck you…I know, I know, men paying your opinion less attention in real life probably hurts and I get that you can come here and get some attention from men instead of the puzzled “why the fuck would this thing even TRY to talk to me? Is she delusional?” raised eyebrow you get in real life, but you’d really be better off spending your time elsewhere. You don’t understand, it’s not that I hate you, I’m just worried for you. You have all this pent up attention-seeking desire that you express here, you really should consider therapy for it, you spend all day on here, is your marriage alright? Let’s talk about how your mother never told you she loved you, maybe that’s where this need for attention stems from! I’m just so concerned about you girls!! Because I have such motherly instincts!


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@Glenn @Forge @etc
“Lol, you don’t know how much Glenn is enjoying this Insanity. I’ve told you before, you don’t understand male anger at all.”

ya I am lol’ing over here. There’s no dude here that actually thinks Glenn is some big rage-monger except trolls. Dude is just swinging at the chubby punching bags because it’s therapeutic and funny, and with any luck they’ll find it distasteful enough to leave. …and yet, they don’t leave. huh, I wonder why that could be. Hint ladies: You can’t laugh at a guy’s raging rant and then ALSO play the “omg you have so much scary rage I’m really worried about you” card. It’s so blatantly two-faced that it just gives ammo to the guys who think women are two-faced as they read it and go “look at that shit right there!! She’s completely playing the damsel in distress concern-troll card right after she wrote a bunch of “hahaha!!”s, what the fuck!!”

All you’re doing is helping us recruit more men out of the lurkers, so thanks! πŸ™‚

“@All – Consider that the shaming of male “hate” and anger and rage etc. is a primary FI informed meme which women (not just feminists) use to neuter men.”

Yep.

I’m busy so I’m just skimming the comments but literally EVERY response from the two vaginas here (and their backup third vag that popped in for a drive-by grrl-power sesh lol) is either a paragraph of nonsense, comebacks an 8 year old would make, concern-trolling, and when anyone makes any valid points or asks pointed questions they just completely dismiss it. They’re not interested in any kind of logical rational discussion, which I mean, they’re post-wall women so you can’t really expect that lol

So if they’re not here for actual discussion then I say have at it Glenn, vent away, who cares? We aren’t here to impress anyone, this is the gym where we work and sweat, the last thing we need is to tip-toe around the damaged manosphere groupies looking for an attention hand-out.

Glenn will deal with any completely justified rational anger in the way that Glenn chooses to deal with it. He doesn’t need the approval of the FI.

I get it, I do. You’re not 21 anymore and nobody here wants to fuck you…I know, I know, men paying your opinion less attention in real life probably hurts and I get that you can come here and get some attention from men instead of the puzzled “why the fuck would this thing even TRY to talk to me? Is she delusional?” raised eyebrow you get in real life, but you’d really be better off spending your time elsewhere. You don’t understand, it’s not that I hate you, I’m just worried for you. You have all this pent up attention-seeking desire that you express here, you really should consider therapy for it, you spend all day on here, is your marriage alright? Let’s talk about how your mother never told you she loved you, maybe that’s where this need for attention stems from! I’m just so concerned about you girls!! Because I have such motherly instincts!


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“That’s plenty of time until your new, charismatic overlord is ushered in”

Don’t worry, I plan to charm my way to the top quickly when the crisis and/or zombie apocalypse arrive. You’ll only need to survive on your own for a few weeks before I recruit you as militia in exchange for sanctuary within my city walls.

“Following an illogical, charismatic leader is an appealing concept to most people because they think emotionally, not critically. Its in the DNA.”

Why do you think I’m learning all this game stuff for? Surely you didn’t think it was just about getting poon.


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“That’s plenty of time until your new, charismatic overlord is ushered in”

Don’t worry, I plan to charm my way to the top quickly when the crisis and/or zombie apocalypse arrive. You’ll only need to survive on your own for a few weeks before I recruit you as militia in exchange for sanctuary within my city walls.

“Following an illogical, charismatic leader is an appealing concept to most people because they think emotionally, not critically. Its in the DNA.”

Why do you think I’m learning all this game stuff for? Surely you didn’t think it was just about getting poon.


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RE: Roosh’s meltdown because holy shit

Brutal. The problem is he based his entire identity around pickup so now he’s trapped. He has to do something with pickup to earn long-term money, but if he comes out and just charges for pickup related content like all the other PUAs figured out to do (not even focusing on the fact that most of his material is ripped off from the PUA community and reworded or watered down, which is hilarious given his accusations of the Red Pill community doing that exact thing), he’ll look like a huge hypocrite. So he has to slander everyone else to differentiate himself as the “one true way”, throw out some hip new slang terms he can use for his brand, and will likely end up charging for pickup related content just like everyone else…except he won’t be just like them, because what HE’S selling DIFFERENT. When THOSE GUYS did it it was all lies and scams, but when HE does it it’ll be the TRUE WAY.

I don’t charge for my content and I stay anonymous. Why? Because once you go public now you have to try to make a living off this shit and then you have to start worrying about your reputation and sales instead of just presenting simple obvious truths with no frills or gimmicks. And that’s do-able if you stay out of the really bright limelight but if you go let yourself get obliterated on Dr. Oz and pick fights with Jezebel regularly, you’re locking yourself into doing this shit for life.

I mentioned when he went on Dr Oz that there’s nothing in there that was trying to help men. Helping men would be going on there and communicating a solid message to the men in the audience, not just ragging on fat chicks for shock value. That was completely about building infamy and brand. That’s why his response is all “TRP turned on me! They’ll turn on you too!!” That only matters if you care whether they like you or not, which means your ego/identity is too invested and you’re more concerned with what people think of you than you are about ACTUALLY HELPING MEN. If your goal is to produce content that helps men then you don’t care if a community rags on you or not. I have a bunch of haters, I don’t give a shit…read my stuff if you resonate with it and it helps you cool, if not I’m open to debate, and if you think I’m a fucktard then don’t read my shit or call me names if you think that’s a productive use of your time. It doesn’t bother me because my goal isn’t to be liked, it’s to help spread information that will help other men the way the old-school PUA community (before it got all commercialized and people were teaching bootcamps in coffee shops for the fee of “a couch to crash on”) helped me.

Building your brand via infamy might be a fine idea if you’re set up like Tyler where you’ve got a multi-million dollar business, employees to pass the workload onto and bring in income for you, already handled the 2 kids and a baby-mama thing, have a bunch of fuckbuddies and fans and customers and high-value networking connections and your reputation isn’t complete poison like “international fat shamer” and Tucker Max…but when you’re one dude who has a small cult following at best, and you get bored of the game and don’t have anything really lined up except “looking for The One” (and inevitably solipsistically proclaiming that being a player is a shallow meaningless existence (who cares if dating a variety of women would be beneficial to other men or not it’s all about me and my reality and my feeeeeels!!!) the same way Tyler is currently being emo right now after his recent breakup of one of his long-term girls but Tyler built himself a support network and variety of instructors that will shake him out of it and keep the content coming so he can’t tank the RSD brand with his emo-ness)…Roosh didn’t really leave himself a lot of “outs” for when the game loses it’s excitement to him. You can tell from his writing that he’s been disillusioned with it for a while now.

But man, throwing literally every other part of the community under the bus and stomping on it, especially the over the top hostile jabs at Rollo?? I mean, shit. I knew he didn’t know much about business/marketing when he predicted RSD was going to tank after the Julien fiasco (for brilliant marketing check out how Julien used all that controversy to advertise his new Shift product), but this tops it.

You can start a new movement and lingo and all that without shitting all over everyone. This is just like when feminists, so ego/identity-invested in their ideology, can’t just say “big is beautiful”, they have to say “big is beautiful, not like those anorexic skinny bitches”.

Really surprised to see it from Roosh, the same way I was surprised to see his forum freak out about the Julien fiasco. I think they’ve been too tightly closed on their forum with so much moderation that they don’t realize they’ve become a hugbox “us VS the world, everyone else is the enemy” style.

You just don’t expect that kind of thing from a guy who’s been working on being a solid grounded alpha male. I don’t even hate the guy (though I’ve never been a fan because he’s just repackaging PUA and then writes articles slandering RSD in the same “I can lie in here because no one will actually go check it out for themselves” way Jezebel does), but like, I feel bad for where this is going to go.

On a side note not to suck your dick or anything Rollo but for the readers here’s an example of rock solid alpha shit:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/rooshv/neomasculinity_receives_mainstream_recognition/#comment-2039840364

Rollo holds his frame, doesn’t get pulled down into the emotional mud-slinging, stays calm and rational and gives him a few outs like the understanding parent of a child throwing a tantrum. That’s what it looks like when you have someone who’s ego isn’t attached to their work meeting someone who’s ego is far too wrapped up in it. Solid handling of it.


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@Rollo
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47693-post-1027087.html#pid1027087

Right out of the Feminist Playbook. Create a hugbox, slander as many groups as possible, paint well-deserved critiques as “harassment”, and run to your hugbox for support and potentially dogpiling/retaliation.

Surreal to see from someone so established. If you criticize one group for doing something (making a living off selling content, repackaging other people’s content for your own audience), you can’t go and do the same thing yourself and then get upset when someoene calls you out on that.

You can’t build a movement based around being model masculine males when your leader is an emotional basketcase that’s lashing out at people who could have helped. Who’s going to look at Roosh and say “I want to follow this guy” when he’s this unstable and is purposely trying to divide communities that are aimed at helping men and should be working together for the overall benefit of men?? This is basically “you’re all pussies, I’mma start a club for REAL MEN!!!!1” which is literally the kind of weirdly egocentric thing a guy with his shit together and who’s worth listening to wouldn’t DO.

I’m legit worried for the dude, like in terms of mental health/depression. Getting criticized for his terrible Dr Oz appearance seems to have really tipped things over the deep-end for him. Sometimes you have to know your weaknesses and if you’re not a charismatic personality and not prepared for representing yourself well in a sensationalized media system then you need to lower your ambitions of grandeur.

His hugbox will just keep goading him toward failure because they’re LARP’ing along like they’re in Braveheart but I really hope he’s got some legit close buddies who haven’t drank the Kool-Aid who he’ll actually listen to when they say “Roosh, buddy, maybe it’s time to take a little vacation and come back when you’re not all emo”.

This is like Paul Elam attacking MGTOW so he can cash in on his book, this isn’t good for anyone. The mainstream media will categorize Roosh’s new shit under the exact same brush as the rest of us and MRAs and MGTOWs etc. especially with him and all the brutal content he’s put out and supported just a Google search away. And his mental breakdown will scare men off from looking at Red Pill content that could help them because he’s going to end up a warning sign “don’t even bother with this shit, look where it’ll get you”.

Can’t even imagine how this plan makes sense in his head. I mean what’s next, a victim-bux Patreon account because of the “harassment” he’s getting from people disagreeing with his opinions??


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This vid is for Roosh, starting at 8min:

Roosh is stuck in Level 4 “We’re awesome and everyone else sucks”. But a guy needs to work on getting to Level 5: “WE are the shit, AND the WORLD is the shit”. That’s what giving value is.

Lot of great real-talk in Tyler’s “truth about success” series, everyone should give it a listen. Ya Tyler’s a weirdo but he overcame his looks and social awkwardness to get laid and runs an incredibly successful company and is pretty much set for life and it sure wasn’t through being born more advantaged than everyone else lol


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I’m not a huge fan of TRP on reddit (I think they reject PUA stuff that could help them, based on other people’s word instead of researching it for themselves, a lot of problems I see in their posts are stuff that basic Mystery Method would fix if they would just pick it up and read it to see what use they can get out of it), but I’ll give em credit on this one: They have very perceptively nailed Roosh to the WALL in that thread. Like, everything he’s done or tried to do they are having ZERO wool pulled over their eyes and entertaining no misdirection. From Reaxxion going clickbait and stormfront, to the Dr Oz performance, to critiquing how he’s handling this situation and why and how it’s ego based and wanting to be the leader and have control etc. etc.

Like, I want to give the TRP forum a slow-clap…despite what Roosh says about them they’re clearly learning some solid shit about human nature and social psychology over there because they ain’t fallin for NONE o’ that shit.

God I almost want to stay in and pop popcorn and just watch the drama unfold tonight lol


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@Sun Wukong
“Go out, take smartphone. #TheresAnAppForThat”

lol I’ve tried to kick the habit of being on my phone (txting/surfing) when I’m out. My buddy and I are actually considering going out without our phones entirely for a while to see how it changes things. I was in a Subway the other day and everyone in the lineup had their heads down looking at their phone while the girl behind the counter was waiting for some subs to toast and I thought it was interesting that she probably sees the tops of more heads than anyone has ever seen in previous generations (aside from tall people) lol A lot of us check our phones not because there’s anything important going on on them but just to avoid human interaction…whereas in the old days you would all have to make small talk for the 30 seconds while those subs toast. So I’ve been working on keeping my phone in its pocket when I’m out in public, or turning it off (so it takes a minute to turn back on and isn’t an instant thing…maybe a really long hard to type password would work too, I should try that actually) so that when I instinctively pull it out to avoid that “uncomfortable feels” of making small-talk with strangers (aka cleverly disguised Approach Anxiety), I see it’s locked and go “oh, right, ok be present to the moment and engage the people around me, don’t be one of those smartphone zombies”.

It’s interesting because when I started PUA cellphones were rare and texting wasn’t a thing (it still cost money and most people were using landlines etc.). So back then you’d have to get numbers on scraps of paper (I miss that actually lol, I kept a big stack of them in my closet as a pile of victory/memories of my progress lol) and when you went to Subway and there was that 30 second window of toasting your sub it was either look around the room awkwardly silent or just bite the bullet and socially engage with people. Technology is valuable as fuck, it’s amazing that I have a computer with access to the information of literally the entire world just chilling in my pocket, BUT there are situations where it can be isolating and limiting and we should be aware of that for our own development.

Anyway I got cockblocked at the last minute tonight (faaaack) so here I am tuning back into the drama lol

@Nathan
“Also, I just started reading your archive. SOOOO Good.”

lol glad it helped you. Take what you can from it, try it out in-field, see what resonates, and discard what doesn’t give you value. A lot of the stuff that sounds unbelievable is stuff that I wouldn’t have believed 5 or 10 years ago. Field-experience is king, push your boundaries and your comfort zones and chase new reference experiences. Most of the social rules in society are bullshit…as we said in the old days: PUAs are the exception to the rule.

“That guy has an annoying voice, talks too fast, and something about him rings fake, but a good message.”

lol ya Tyler is fucked up. He’s like partly asbergers or some shit and still working on coming off “normal” but it seeps through a lot of the time (he’s way better than like 5-10 years ago) so a lot of his body language etc. comes off as “mimicing how I think normal people would act”. He knows it too, he’s mentioned it in a few videos that he knows he comes off weird. Try to ignore that for his actual message/content because what he’s actually saying is some good shit and he’s got plenty of field experience and the footage/witnesses to back up his skills that give his message some weight…and if what he’s saying doesn’t resonate then he’d be the first one to tell you to dismiss it and encourage you to think for yourself, as would I.

The problem with what Roosh is doing is that he’s trying to create a community of people who have to follow certain rules and beliefs to be a part of the cool kids club. That’s going to work as well as the Blue Pill and Feminist/SJW’s requirements that men follow certain rules and beliefs to be a part of the club…a select vocal few will follow their leader to the ends of the earth…and I mean, you have to LOOK at the quality OF those select vocal few…I don’t want to name names because there’s enough drama already but I’ve seen some of the dudes RVF creates (because for some reason they like to put their names and faces out there) and their belief systems on a wide range of topics (from homosexuality to views on race) and it’s just like watching a bunch of LARP’ers who don’t realize what they actually look like to the rest of us in the real world. That’s the nicest way I know how to say it.

Meanwhile you’ve got the other camps that teach a welcome generous benevolent nature, acceptance of others (even if you disagree with them), trying to build other people up instead of viewing them all as the enemy…no one WANTS to live in a negative anti-social angry-at-the-world mindset except emo teenagers and guys who haven’t paid attention to all the writing out there about detaching from your ego and giving value to the world. I post a lot of RSD videos because there are a ton of them on every subject and they’re usually very well explained (and while Tyler has a nasally voice he’s at least not some weird LARPy sounding mouth-breathing dude with his mike too close to his face lol people rag on Sandman but he’s one of the few MGTOW who’s videos are professional/quality enough that I can actually sit through and enjoy them), but a big focus for the last few years (ever since he read Eckhart Tolle) over at RSD has been on overcoming the ego. The reason for that is that oldschool PUA didn’t teach much about it and some of the oldschool PUAs went down some pretty shitty paths (Mystery seems to be back now but it sounds like he went through some rough periods) and Tyler’s been around enough Naturals to watch them self-destruct from their own egos the same way Roosh is doing (the “I’m the best, you all suck” Level 4 shit he mentioned in that video). Roosh legitimately needs to watch some of that content because he’s falling into the exact trap that Tyler’s been trying to help teach guys to avoid.

And if his ego wasn’t wrapped up in it, he COULD watch it. But because he’s wrapped his entire ego/identity in this and fallen into the hugbox “no longer a student, now I’m a master so I don’t need to learn from anyone I consider beneath me” he will never watch it. Literally this is the moment where any progress in his self-development he could make will halt because he’s stopped accepting outside opinions and views from other people with as much or more experience than him in their respective areas. This is where he shuts his brain off and runs on complete emotional feels and hugbox rallying momentum.

I watch MGTOW vids, read Red Pill on reddit, I read the Mens Rights forum on reddit and AVFM, I even read Return of Kings and lurk in the RVF forum. Hell, I read feminist sites (partly for the laugh lol but also to see their perspective on events and keep up to date on society in general’s progress toward Red Pill ideas and to know what to expect in situations like a false rape accusation or scandal in my professional life). Some of the content is useless or a waste of my time and I skip it, but often there’s something to learn or ideas/viewpoints to ponder or things I can take from those areas to solidify and tighten my own mindsets and grow.

Like my rant about phones above, I know that skepticism of technology is a tenant of Roosh’s new Roosh Movement thing. Why do I know that? Because even though I disagree with what he’s doing I still read his manifesto shit to see what I could learn from it. Because PUA isn’t about “decide on a conclusion and then find evidence to support it”, it’s “whatever works, use it”. Because my ego isn’t attached to it. Like I’ve said before, if the PUA community found out tomorrow that wearing a white shirt consistently got better results in-field we would be teaching guys to wear white shirts. If we found out our ideas crumble under pressure-testing we would change them and look for new answers to explain the results. It’s in the best interests of even the scammy PUA companies to get their customers LAID lol

Roosh has fallen into the same paradigm the feminists and anti-game guys do where they think we’re trying to build a movement around idol worship…even Mystery himself warned repeatedly in his seminars and writing “don’t try to be ME, I don’t want a bunch of little Mystery’s running around (which ironically is what happened lol). Learn from what I’m teaching and adapt it to your own identity and make it your own”. Even Tyler promotes his other instructors and as a company they don’t really talk about other companies or sling mud at them. The reason these people fall into that paradigm is because it’s what they’re obsessed with themselves, so they project that onto everyone else. That’s how you get someone like Sue Walsh or Lindsey…shit I can’t even remember her name now lol the Jezebel chick that ate the oreos. Or in the MGTOW community the recent Stardusk ego dust-up where he went after Sandman out of the same “my way is the one true way” egocentric paradigm that Jezebel writers and Roosh work from. To me that’s INSTANTLY and indicator of where that person is coming from and that they still have a lot of work to do internally before they become someone that people should emulate. It doesn’t mean they don’t still have valuable stuff to contribute…even tho I consider Roosh’s work to be a ripoff/repackage of PUA, I don’t care it’s good that it’s out there, the more content in the most forms possible the better, I don’t care if a guy escapes the Matrix via MGTOW, MRA, PUA, Manosphere, TRP, Roosh, whatever works to get men unplugged…I trust that men who unplug are intelligent enough to do their research into other viewpoints and decide for themselves what aligns and doesn’t align with their personal goals of self-improvement.

Like Tyler says: I do and will always consider myself a student of the game. Once you decide you’ve mastered it, that’s where you stop growing. Roosh has decided he’s a master and his hugbox feeds into it.

…at least that’s the only reason I can imagine that THIS exists. I honestly can’t tell if this some kind of April Fools trolling thing but even if it is…I mean, shit watch his reply to all this for yourselves, I don’t even know where to start with this:

…is this real life?? I don’t know anything about marketing/branding but to my layman eyes this just doesn’t seem like a good approach to it on ANY level lol

@Sun Wukon
“Haha, maybe this is what the Male Wall can look like.”

lol I can’t even disagree with using that term to describe this. This is very similar to a former hot girl writing an angry Jezebel article when she hits the wall and realizes men aren’t giving her the attention she’s built her ego up to believe she’s entitled to. It’s not that there’s anything wrong with her, she’s perfect…it’s all these men who won’t man up and impress and marry her that are the problem. And her and her Jezzie hugbox that will coddle and fluff her ego with “you GO grrrl!!” good feels are what’s happening in that RVF thread.

I know I’m shilling hard for RSD right now lol but seriously they have hours and hours of free content from various instructors (if you don’t like Tyler’s voice lol) about detaching your ego from the game and it’s to avoid guys hitting the wall like this. I encourage everyone on the path of learning game to at least check out the Truth About Success vids and any other vids with titles about value, mainstream media, ego, succes, happiness, etc. Ya a lot of his ideas are compilations of other people’s ideas but he credits them most of the time (naming books he’s gotten ideas from and encouraging men to read them and to read more in general) so it’s like a short-cut to getting the useful information out of those books that directly applies to learning game and being a high-value guy. Pirate Tyler’s “The Blueprint” when you have a week to kill and can consume some heavy content (he encourages guys to pirate it don’t worry lol), there’s a LOT of eye-opening shit in there that’s more about society and how overall social psychology (VS just pickup related stuff). Absorb what you can use, these resources are all out there for free for you to check out and hopefully grow from. Your goal should be to avoid going down the path we’re watching Roosh go down…if you’ve spent any time around long-term PUAs and Naturals you know where this road goes and it ain’t pretty. Try to become more enlightened and value-giving than this.

You can create and promote a good product without tearing everyone else down…you don’t have to view everyone else as competition. Even when I AMOG dudes in-field, I generally only do it when they instigate the situation. If they’re cool with me I would WAY rather befriend them and give them good vibes and throw some girls at him and try to get us BOTH laid. Tyler said it best in that vid I linked: “A lot of high-value guys don’t look down on homeless people or people with shitty lives…they wish they could help them. When you go to ethiopia do you look down on them and celebrate their misery? No, you WISH you could help them be as successful as you. Because when you’re successful you want everyone AROUND you to be successful TOO.”

Yes, a lot of people are happy being keyboard jockeys. And no, they’re not going to get anything substantial out of that. But the way to fix that is to educate, encourage and compel them to finally take action and hit the field and start approaching hot girls and interacting with strangers (that’s why I have an entire archive of content and don’t charge a dime for it, I WANT guys to read it, I WANT more competition out there, I would LOVE to walk into a bar and see a bunch of badass high-value dudes who force me to step my own game up)…you don’t dismiss them as a waste of time or try to make them chase your acceptance and validation…that’s literally the exact opposite lesson they should be learning lol All you’ve done is replace pussy on the pedestal with bullying them into placing YOU on the pedestal.

I mean, you can DO that, but that’s more about helping yourself than it is about helping other men as a whole…but then it looks like that’s been Roosh’s motive for a while now. I hope he gets whatever it is he wants out of this, but I don’t think he realizes what it is

@Lone Survivor
Fuckin love Tom Leykis. Skeptical of him getting chicks (I imagine he pays for hookers and is totally cool with it) but he drops massive truth bombs and half the chicks he calls out on his show end up attracted to him for dismissing their bullshit (would they bang him without being paid? It would surprise me…I stress that looks don’t matter but when you enter the 300+lbs category I mean, come on bro take care of your health, that’s when you’re in territory where girls are thinking “do I want these round greasy fat folds dripping on me and a guy who doesn’t have the cardio to bang and can’t lay on top of me or I’ll suffocate” lol). Lots to learn from his straight-talk attitude, but take care of your health so you can enjoy the chicks his attitude attracts and enjoy them for a long time. I’m stepping up my health huge this year because I’m approaching my mid-30s and don’t want to end up like this lol But like I say, the wisdom he drops (esp his emergency plan for if you get a chick preggers (damn ice cold, but built on solid social psychology) and his views on having a purpose/goals independent of women (you need a purpose that isn’t HER and her purpose is YOU)).


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Apparently when RSD gets bad publicity (Julien fiasco) and gets rocked on national TV (Julien’s CNN interview, where he held eye-contact and rehearsed a message for it), it’s all terrible plays and horrible handling of it and reveals them as charlatans and frauds…but when Roosh gets bad publicity and rocked on national TV (Dr Oz), he was AMAZING, staring at the floor and stuttering and looking completely unprepared was SOOPER ALPHA BADASS BRO (since you know, he coined the terms alpha/beta according to his vid (and totally didn’t at all take them from the same PUA material he repackages and resells)).

When RSD (or any PUA company) charges for their tours and products and markets with sensationalist marketing, they’re all scam-artists taking advantage of weak men and selling lies and bullshit and their marketing is scummy and their products are a scam…but when Roosh has charges for his tour and his products and markets with sensationalist marketing (my movement isn’t about focusing on pussy guys, but sign up now for my 3 funky tips that’ll drive her wild with attraction for you!), it’s all “he DESERVES to make money off this, he’s putting so much work out there he deserves to make money, I would gladly hand him my money, I hope he makes a profit off his work!!”

The thing that makes me not take the RVF seriously is that they can have such cognitive dissonance and not be aware of their own double-standards. Like, having a consistent set of beliefs and values across the board is something to strive for. I’m just speaking about my own view on what a man is but to me embracing and perpetuating double-standards and “it’s okay when WE do it” and “it’s okay to do that wrong thing as long as it’s to the OTHER people then it’s justified” and silencing dissent that would point those inconsistencies out is not something to celebrate. One of the first things I look at when I get to know another dude is how consistent his beliefs are and how much he makes exceptions and throws out justifications and rationalizations for going against his own value system. I don’t even care if he has a different value system, as long as he’s consistent within that value system…otherwise what is he? Just a collection of feels making inconsistent decisions in the moment. I don’t think a guy should embrace being like that, I think he should seriously look at “if I do this, but I have a problem when others do it, where is that coming from, why am I inconsistent on this? Why is it okay for me and not them? Should it actually NOT be okay for me? If it should be then should I lighten up on judging THEM for doing it?” As a man looking to become high-value and oak-tree solid, I think you should WANT to find your inconsistencies and judgements and fix them.

I mean, the whole basis RP/MGTOW/Manosphere/PUA/MRA/etc. is: “I had beliefs that the world was one way, and reality didn’t align with my beliefs, and now I want to figure out how to either change reality or change my beliefs so that I can have a more accurate understanding of the world around me.”

It’s sad to me to see a group of men who I know have the intention of improving themselves, act the same as SJWs and Feminists and Blue Pill anti-gamers, rejecting anything that doesn’t fit the group-think, classifying dissent as harrassment/attacks, having emotional double-standards based on feels, and EMBRACING and encouraging it. I wasn’t even annoyed with RVF when they ran around like chickens with their heads cut off celebrating RSD’s demise when the Julien fiasco went down, ranting and raving about how SJWs will be at every venue across the world waiting to picket them and managers won’t let them into their nightclubs anymore and as Roosh said on a podcast RSD only has 2 months to live because of the bad publicity and just bullshit sensationalist nonsense that I expect to read in a Jezebel comment section instead of saying “look I don’t like these guys but let’s look at this situation logically and assess the reality of it without letting emotional feels biases send me off into lala land”.

All I felt was disappointment that a community of dudes working on improving themselves and regularly fighting feminists who use the exact same mentality, can’t see that they’ve become a hugbox of irrationality.

And I know if anyone posted this there it would be instantly dismissed as “THAT YAREALLY GUY IS SUCH A TOOL HES AN RSD SHILL” the same way feminists discredit speakers without logically debating and counter-arguing their content/message…because there’s no room for bad feels or self-analysis in the hugbox.

Very sad to me, all around. Just from an “I wish/expect better from my fellow man” perspective.


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@Lone Survivor
“Man, I am also concerned about Tom’s health, mostly because he is an upfront guy and no one woants to lose a man like him to coronary artery disease or cancer.”

He’s old as balls so I guess well done to him, but man he must have a horseshoe up his ass lol My goal at his age is to still be as physically healthy as I hope to be mentally healthy. If he’s happy, that’s cool, but I view any learning source as “Absorb what is useful, discard what is not.” Bruce Lee style so I love what Tom talks about but I would view someone like Joe Rogan as a more admirable role-model in terms of having Red Pill views while also taking care of yourself.

“We all pay for sex, in one way or another. Some people do cash others do time, mannerism, “game”, PUA, and similar useless junk.”

lol I’m talking about the principle not the actual exchange. Yes, you can simply go buy anything. But there’s something valuable in earning or building it without taking the easy route. It’s important to feel strong and capable and like you can handle your shit in life…a lot of AAA celebs (and hot girls) fall apart and end up self-destructive because they have too much handed to them too easy and it warps their view of their own worth in a bunch of ways (from not valuing things they’ll regret not valuing, to not understanding how to work to achieve a goal, to feeling guilty and undeserving of their success culiminating in private self-loathing/depression and fear of failure, etc.).

“Rollo makes great points, yet he is here to make money. The guy will tell you what you need to hear AS LONG AS HE CAN MAKE MONEY OUT OF IT. Plain and simple. This is why he focuses on game, PUA and other stuff… because if you start paying for sex, that is less money in his pocket.”

Like I said “The reason these people fall into that paradigm is because it’s what they’re obsessed with themselves, so they project that onto everyone else.” It’s inconceivable to a lot of men that PUA wasn’t always the commercialized industry with $2000 bootcamps that it is now. Back when it started (and when I first found it), tens of thousands of guys were sharing this information and comparing notes and encouraging eachother to go out, all free of charge. The cost of a bootcamp was letting the guy teaching you crash on your couch. All we cared about was pressure-testing this information with field experience and compiling it into resources that people could study, and we wanted as many men to have it as possible. That’s why you can google the Tyler Digest or Mystery’s archives or a dozen other solid oldschool PUAs and see their archives of posts, shit-tons of valuable content posted for free because we all said “we’ve found this amazing thing that’s improving our lives and we want to share it with others”.

So the idea that someone like Rollo could genuinely enjoy helping other men (as if his professional life isn’t successful enough and his book sales are what’s keeping a roof over his head) is foreign to this type of person, because it’s not something they themselves would do. So around every corner they’ll see scams and ulterior motives and paranoia in people’s actions that they can’t relate to.

I don’t care if they come around or not, I know they won’t lol I just post this to explain it.

Personally I don’t care if Rollo or Roosh or PUAs or anyone charges. They do a lot of work and I have no problem if they’d like compensation for that. Because this is the Internet…if your product is not valuable enough for the price, people will talk and will know to avoid it. If your product is incredible, then the people who will actually apply it and benefit from it are likely the people who will pay to see it. And if someone doesn’t have the money and REALLY wants to learn bad enough, they’ll pirate it. And if it’s good enough, but you’ve got it locked way behind a paywall where people are REQUIRED to pay you to see it, someone will pirate it and spam it in free forums lol That’s just how it works.

My only issue is that if you are packaging content that you’ve built off the backs of other groups like PUA and selling that, and then have a double-standard that it’s “wrong” if someone else does the same (even with YOUR work like in Roosh’s “I created alpha/beta you all exist because I am your father you owe me!!” video), that’s where I take issue.

As long as your beliefs and values are consistent, it’s all good to me.

“And this is why PUA is such a predatory market, because they know they have nothing to offer to society. They need to gain presence in the market by undermining the competition. Roosh is the most evident proof of it.”

lol I ain’t takin the bait on this one, but I just wanted to point out that from the PUA community side of things: Roosh and the Manosphere don’t exist. None of you. Rollo, Heartiste, Roosh, MRAs, MGTOWs, etc. People aren’t sharing your articles (aside from some entertaining clickbait RoK ones that happen to splash across mainstream news), they aren’t discussing Roosh’s meltdown, there’s no “what do you think of Heartiste’s racist views?” or “AVFM vs MGTOW who do YOU side with??” shit, etc. PUA generally promotes very different values from the Manosphere’s often “us VS them” prejudiced mentalities and discussions. Like I saw some dude say “it wouldn’t surprise me if Tyler reads CH”. I can guarantee that he doesn’t. 99% of the Manosphere is full of too much negativity and anger and low-level thinking for someone who’s actually going out regularly and slaying it to waste their time with (literally the post right below mine that appeared as I’m writing this is a huge “fuck you bro, get a grip, fuck this fuck that” flamewar lol). I’m here because I hope to balance the negativity out a bit with my posts and clear up misconceptions about PUA since the default is to do like Roosh does and slag on PUA and spread misinformation about what it is and what it teaches (my first post ever was Heartiste slagging on a BradP PUA routine and I explained how his analysis of it was wrong and the principles behind it). I literally just hit CTRL+F on long comment discussions to look for “pua” (or “yareally” lol) to see what bullshit misrepresentation someone is posting THAT day about PUA so I can jump in and clarify what PUAs actually think/do/teach. Plus it’s fun to see different perspectives and figure out how they fit into my understanding of the world and whether I need to question my views.

My point is that PUAs wouldn’t consider Roosh a PUA. Roosh probably wouldn’t consider himself a PUA either. The only people who consider Roosh a PUA is a person who doesn’t really understand PUA and lumps him in like the mass media lumped Eliot Rogers in because they can’t be arsed to look into it. The same type of person is usually the “all PUAs are scam artists” types too lol It’s a huge time saver to lump people you hate together when you hate a lot of people.

Like this lol: “Roosh, PUA, RSD, Mystery, Neil Strauss, they are all the same pile of smelling shit. And anyone who endorses that is as shitty as them.”

If I had any ego invested in this, I’d get all up in arms over this kind of thing. But I’m all enlightened ‘n shit. πŸ˜‰ lol

“The best thing a man can do is focus in his goal in life, improving profesionally, personally, physically, spiritually, and make money.”

I agree with this though. Women shouldn’t be your only goal. BUT, if you don’t know how to get them, you should put in a period of hyperfocus where getting laid IS your goal. It’s important to get that handled. I know a lot of rich good-looking dudes who aren’t happy that the only way they can get/keep a girl around is by paying them. If PUA was just about getting sex, we would just give guys a list of brothels and save them years of going out and working on themselves.

As for whether PUA works or not, I don’t have to defend it, the field does that for me and the guys who’s lives have improved by studying this knowledge and taking the recommended action can speak for themselves lol


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@Lone Survivor
lol if you don’t mind her banging other dudes behind your back because you figure the money will keep her faithful, or her potentially bailing on you down the road (definitely if you go through financial troubles), or in the case of hookers her, you know, being a hooker taking a dozen cocks a day, like that’s cool, you do your thing. And guys with your value system who admire what you’re saying can follow your lead. Long as they’re happy with their results, it’s all good to me.

But some men are looking for more than just sex, and I can’t see it being worth the effort to explain to you what else a man gets and learns about himself and the world from taking up the game and learning to excel in social situations that are out of his comfort zone because you’re clearly set in your beliefs.

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@Glenn
It’s not that prostitution is wrong, especially these days where like you say it’s a lot more common. I’ve banged a few girls with sugar daddies.

But when you take a guy who is so internally fucked up that he’s way behind on his social skills, and then you give him easy access to sex, he’s not going to work on himself. Because why would he, he got the goal he wanted? Most of us start out just wanting to get laid…it’s once we go out and socialize and apply game that we realize all the other benefits we’re getting out of it and our goals become wider than just getting laid. If you take a guy like that and just give him easy sex, he’s happy in the short-term but he’s not going to fix the rest of himself since the incentive is removed and like, how do you think that’s going to pan out for him when he’s in his 30s, 40s, 50s?

The journey is important. Going down to that coffee shop is important. You could just have a coffee maker in your home and use that. But the process is what builds the value in your life. It’s not a moral argument, it’s just what’s going to benefit a socially awkward dude long-term and what’s going to stunt his growth.

@Lone Survivor
“It is the other way around… maybe you don’t understand what PUA is about. Check Neil Strauss book, it has nothing to do with developing a solid career, or pushing yourself to the limit in all aspects of your life. It is aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall about pussy. That is what PUA is about. Even Neil Strauss makes money out of that.”

…well you’ve certainly got MY number. I really do need to do my research into this PUA community. Neil Strauss’ book, you say? I THINK I’ve heard of it. Thanks for the informative advice!

“HA! this is a good point. The thing is that in such scenarios “game” is irrelevant, you simply have to go with the flow.”

Game is simply backwards engineering natural steps that happen in social interaction. You don’t have to think about it, you can just “go with the flow”, but you are executing concepts like social proof and pre-selection whether you intend to or not.

Whether you think about the electricity flowing to the lightbulb and the filament heating up to produce light or just think “I’M FLIPPIN THE LIGHT ON!”, it doesn’t change that when you flip that light switch electricity flows to the lightbulb and heats up the filament.

@Rollo
“TRP evolved because it had no centralization, that’s the fucking point. No moderation, open discourse.”

Yup. And part of why I post here is that you let people openly discuss (getting frustrated with CH’s auto-mod lately lol), and that your writing is openly accepting of people in a “win win” mentality VS a hostile “us VS them” one…like the RVF forum is rallying up as if they’re going to war. Complete LARP’ing like it’s Braveheart.

All the early PUA community was in the early days before commercialization was the TRP. An open forum of discussion as we all went out and sarged and reported back and analyzed our findings and compared notes. Hell Tyler edited The Mystery Method book for Mystery (granted it may have been so he could STEAL ALL HIS IDEAS AND MAKE MILLIONS lol). But there’s tons of archives of dudes just helping other dudes for the sake of bettering everyone’s understanding of what’s going on.

What Roosh is trying to do is say “here’s what I want the world to be like, you all need to either follow me or fuck off”. PUA/TRP/etc. is about “let’s see what the world is like and figure out how to excel in it”. All men want is the truth, they don’t need a Big Daddy to tell them what to think and believe…unless they’re RVF members. You can tell because they’re all ranting on his forum about what a jerk Rollo and the non-believers of the wonders of Roosh are instead of, you know, asking Rollo or having a discussion with the TRP’ers. First sign of a hugbox is limiting dissusion. It’s just a huge emotional witch-hunt. My fav comments are the ones that go “Those TRP faggots are a bunch of emotional retards!!!!!!1” in a highly emotional way. I’d think it was trolling if I didn’t know better lol

Roosh is tanking his Twitter right now. I just don’t get the logic. Even if, like it’s retarded but even IF you wanted to start your own movement…why would you start it by making assosciating with you complete poison?? Is anyone going to want to proudly use their real name and associate with a guy who’s behaving like this? Is anyone with any kind of power going to want to help Roosh out and dirty their entire business/reputation by association??


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Followers: 13.5k

View of the “mainstream media” video covering your new ideology that you threw everyone who’s never had a problem with you under the bus for: 47k

Retweets of support from your 13.5k followers and 47k viewers for this new ideology: …….8.

The drama that is livening up my work day?: fucking PRICELESS lol


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@Lone Survivor
“However, PUA advice is poisonous, because it pushes you to undertake a lot of frustration, rejection and pain that you could avoid”

…well we all know avoiding frustration, rejection and pain is the way to grow into being solid as a man. Challenge yourself? pffft, nahhhh, sounds like poison to me! I read on Jezebel that if anything is difficult then it’s oppressive and should be avoided.

“which are NOT nightclubs, bars, pubs as PUAs say”

Agreed, that’s why we say do daygame in coffee shops and grocery stores and anywhere you like too. The only reason we recommend nightlife venus is that there are a lot of hot girls packed into one place who won’t remember you if you fuck up and embarrass yourself, VS doing daygame where you may have to walk around for a while to find hot girls worth macking or trying to learn game on your close social circles or work/school environment where your mistakes will follow you.

I’m not trying to convince you, just clearing up the bullshit you’re writing for the lurkers lol


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@4ch9okm3ah
““You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.” This is the prompt I just received upon attempting to post on @Rollo’s site. Don’t think this site isn’t censored.”

Maybe there’s a retard filter.


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lol seeing Rollo drop the word “fucktard” is basically the highlight of this whole thing. πŸ˜€ I can’t see anyone having an issue with deleting/banning people who’s contribution is just “Punks. You’re all punks!!!”, everyone knows you don’t censor shit worth discussing, but it’s your forum and your decisions. Trolls’ll get bored sooner or later lol

@Rollo
“He needs any publicity. Without it he fade into obscurity. That’s what he fears, his lifestyle for the last 10 years has been domain dependent on his book sales. What else does he do for money?”

Ya, I sensed pangs of jealousy in the Julien fiasco. Roosh has been notorious but never on that level and in the end, like I predicted and his cult wouldn’t listen to, RSD cashed in huge off that publicity. Maybe Dr Oz was his attempt to chase that kind of exposure. That would explain why the Alex Jones thing is such a feather in his cap too…I mean, some dude’s amateur-looking YouTube show is “mainstream media” now?? No offense to Alex Jones, I don’t watch TV so maybe his show airs on some popular network but to me it looks like just another YouTube blogger show but Roosh is treating it like Obama just endorsed him because he’s so desperate for approval right now lol

The prob is Roosh let the number of views and his number of followers blind him. I think he approached this thinking 45k viewers and 13.5k followers and a million hits on RoK a month mean he has a huge army of supporters. But that 8 retweets should be the eye-opener to how many guys will ACTUALLY publically support him. And the guys RT’ing are like, I’m trying to avoid critiquing individual people but let’s just say there are a number of RVF guys who are having a LOT of fun dressing up LARP’ing that they’re alpha male badasses and somehow don’t seem to be able to tell that to anyone with any kind of normal grasp on what normal people are like look at them as cartoon characters, not role models, and are tuning in for the surreal “wtf am I watching is this guy for real?? Is this a parody??” factor.

One of the tenants of his new movement should be that you have to Retweet your leader’s manifesto lol

“He can’t come home. Imagine Roosh filling out a resume. There is no job for him beyond the manosphere so he must reshape it to accommodate his necessities.”

Ya, everyone google’s people’s names when they apply and his name and pic is fully associated with garbage regardless of what he actually said or what his actual views are, he attacked the mainstream so now he’s locked in. All the PUA coaches have the same situation…that’s why they’re still running bootcamps at 40+ or they have to transition to something similar and take their audience with them (like going into general self-help, and taking all their followers from PUA along for the ride). The smart ones plan an escape route. Style’s a writer, he doesn’t have to survive off teaching game. David DeAngelo has a jillion business ventures and is probably rich as fuck. Tim from RSD is a DJ and trying the self-help thing. Brad from RSD is trying the self-help thing. Tyler plans to, but I think his weird vibe will put normal people off (the same way I’m making fun of some of the RVF members lol). If you don’t plan some kind of escape route, you either get out before your reputation follows you too bad (like some of the lesser known coaches in RSD who stay out of the spotlight) or you stay totally anonymous and avoid having your pic floating around out there (I would have no idea if I met Rollo or CH in real life).

Roosh didn’t do any of that, he went full ahead with the “I’m going to put my name and face out there” thing that Feminists/SJWs want the Manosphere to do, and this is where it fucks him over. Unless he’s gonna write Bang guides in his 60s lol

In a way Roosh is kind of an example of the middle of the road. He never grew big enough to be support himself long-term and he never stayed small enough to not get attention. He got a ton of attention without a long-term stability plan and now he’s kind of fucked on either side.

@Jeremy
“The best Roosh can do is a personality cult, similar to Stefan Molyneaux.”

Ya, that seems to be the route he’s going. The problem is when he goes and burns all his bridges, like, he’s locking down his audience. No one in the PUA community is going to look at his spaz out and give him any kind of credit. No MRAs are going to join him, no MGTOW are going to be swayed by his views…no one except the LARP’ing alpha roleplayer guys are going to associate their real name with his ideology, the 8 retweets should be blatant evidence of that. No one is RT’ing it because no one wants to look like they support his weird religious anti-gay cult thing…he’s literally locked his potential audience down to “my small group of fans on RVF”. I don’t think that’s a very solid long-term strategy lol

These guys on the forum are on about “THINGS NEED TO CHANGE! WE CANT HAVE KIDS LIKE THIS!” but it’s like what’s your solution, to just be associated with a group of dudes no one wants to admit they know or support? How is that going to change ANYTHING? Are women going to look at these guys and go “wow, these dudes are SO high value we’d better stop fucking other guys to try to land one of them! This one hates gay and fat people!! Sign me up!!” lol Like, what are they expecting to happen?

“Those cults aren’t as profitable as you might believe. L.Ron did it right, you have to have the threat of being kicked out for not contributing, and ridiculous promises of superhuman ability. Those cults are so profitable they can afford gigantic legal times because you essentially grow an army of slaves to contribute to your cause.”

…well, I’d say he’s off to an excellent start. Some quotes from the RVF thread:

“If you don’t see how men’s rights is not inherently toxic, you just aren’t trying hard enough.”

“Neomasculinity is about being awesome, and treating the natural slaves like the slaves that they are, rather than begging for their approval because we need more upvotes.”

“Yes, I’m more interested in being part of the overarching group called ‘winning’.”

“Wow, when did you get so confused? (…) Furthermore, being masculine means hierarchy. And hierarchy means rules, and conformity to those rules. You have no idea what masculinity is.”

“Those who want truth, will find it; a strong philosophy is the cure. The rest are the chaff which, by their own choosing, will be separated from the wheat.”

…you were saying about a cult that promises superhuman ability and kicks people out for not toeing the line? lol

“At this point in time, attacks on Roosh’s ego/message are directly threatening to his income from his perspective. Ironically this will only convince him of his correctness in his position.”

Agreed. I was really expecting some self-reflection and backtracking when he saw the horrible response and his complete lack of support from anyone who isn’t already a long-term RVF member (again, 8 RTs…from 13.5k followers. There are people posting pics of their lunch with 500 followers that get more RTs than that…that should be a HUGE warning sign that either you don’t have the support you thought you did or the support you have isn’t as willing to go public with it as you thought they were).

But instead he just hardcore double-downed and is attacking people on Twitter and in YouTube comments in a perpetual victim mindset, again right out of the Feminist/SJW playbook.

@Sun Wukong
“I’m always suspicious when any leader of any community starts creating an Us vs. Them situation. Instant suspicion generator for me.”

Yup.

Attacking all the other communities is one way to get exposure, and that’s cool if you have a good message and a lot of cred…but like, someone linked the Alex Jones vid on RSD’s forum. I think Jeffy put it best:

“Oh perfect, I needed a strong dose of Butthurt Pussy Faggotry to help start the day.”

That’s how other people who aren’t RVF forum members view Roosh and his stuff. Even the TRP thread is like “who cares?” and they’ve stopped talking about him. He’s not even significant enough to give outraged exposure to (aside from this thread and this is 6 pages into the comments so it isn’t gonna’ generate any exposure lol). Like I hope Rollo doesn’t even BOTHER writing an article about this, or if he does it’s anonymous and doesn’t give any exposure to it. The guys in his thread are talking about Rollo “attacking” (with valid criticism lol) Roosh to get exposure from the “big dog” with no self-awareness to realize that Roosh is doing the exact same thing lol

To win over anyone from the PUA communities, if Roosh released a bunch of slick in-field footage or something, he might be able to get some PUAs to give him the time of day but to PUAs Roosh comes off as just a slow-talking uncharismatic borderline autistic whiner living in quiet sad little indie film apartments, complaining about everything wrong with the world (and specifically the west) and his followers come off like cartoon characters mentally masturbating that they’re James Bond. That’s not me trying to be mean, that’s how if I showed their content to ANYONE in real life, in a bar or on the street, would react. The only way you could NOT know that is if you don’t have any friends outside of other weird James Bond wanna be cartoon characters.

The reason no one outside of RVF’s forum gives their view credit is that for every RVF member who cries about how cities like DC and Toronto are so horrible and the girls are impossible to get and all feminist bitches and all american girls are shallow shitty and bitchy entitled bla bla, there are like a dozen PUAs who’ve sarged that same city and had ZERO problem. And when they talk about oh you don’t understand girls in europe and asian etc. are DIFFERENT man they would never put out the first night they’re all unicorns you just don’t understand man, the RVF’ers nod in agreement. Meanwhile PUAs are running bootcamps in all those locations and picking up girls with no problem just like over here.

Like, to really truly buy into the RVF mentalities you have ignore a LOT of blatant evidence. Not just RSD but Simple Pickup, Cupid Shmupid and his buddy are in Toronto, there are tons of Field Reports from DC/TO/LA/NYC/etc. like you have to go out of your way to discredit and ignore all of that. And the easiest way to do that is to demonize all the other companies and make up rationalizations for any videos, success stories from students or PUA lairs in those areas, etc. so that none of your cult will check them out, and then ideally be a guy who doesn’t actually go out and sarge.

When you tell me the girls in DC are impossible to get and they’re all stuck up feminists, and then I see pics of the dudes who were approaching them and stories of them being wasted and getting thrown out of bars and being general nuiscances and they have videos of them on YouTube where they look like wannabe bond villians etc. it’s like, man, it’s not the women, it’s YOU. And I wonder how can you guys not SEE that?? But they’re all encouraging eachother’s delusions like Jezzies telling eachother “you’re gorgeous you look so VIVACIOUS!!!” when someone posts their 300lbs pic and they title pics of their fatty conventions as “HOT BABES ON THE PROWL LOLOL!!!” RVF is literally the male equivalent of that, that’s not even me talking shit, anyone can google the members and see for themselves.

This whole thing is fascinating to watch, from a social psychology perspective…like seeing someone trying to form a cult and in complete denial about how bad it’s going and the unquestionable loyalty from the cult members against all evidence and the twisting of words and events and trying to demonize anyone who criticizes them, the exact same way Feminists/SJWs do…it’s fascinating as FUCK to a psychology junkie like me. But man is it disappointing to see someone go down this path and go from being a decent example to a horrible warning.

@insanitybytes22
I thought chicks were supposed to be intuitive. Rollo is trying to very politely tell you nobody here is your boyfriend and you’re not smokin hot despite what the chodes orbiting you in real life have told you lol so none of us give a shit what you think about what men should be or do.

@Lone Survivor
“no man here has been able to prove me wrong, the only guy who made valid points was Glenn”

Being too dumb to understand what people have been saying to you doesn’t make them unable to prove you wrong. I mean, technically it does, but that’s not a victory to celebrate lol

“Keep trying, though.”

I can’t see that being worth anyone’s time and I think most people who’ve read your comments would agree.


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Whoops instead of “to realize that Roosh is doing the exact same thing lol” that should read “to realize that Roosh is using the exact tactic they’re trying to imply Rollo is using”, because anyone with any common sense knows Rollo isn’t attacking Roosh to spread his brand.

From what I’ve seen it looks to me like Rollo is perfectly content with building his audience through positive word of mouth and guys discovering it when they go looking for answers, I doubt Rollo has a controversial Dr Oz Jerry Springer interview lined up lol That’s the difference between someone who’s out to actually help men and someone who’s out to help themselves.


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Like come on, this was just posted on RVF:

“It is unfortunate overall. As men, we are supposed to work together to overcome our foes. Instead inner division has taken place and we are now a scattered ‘sphere’. Hopefully Neomasculinity will be the banner of the new era of men. Roosh, know that we stand with you.”

Who talks like that??? And the guy’s forum avatar pic is a pic of James Bond lol


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One guy on RVF writes “Culture now encouraging ‘freezing’ our thoughts at a particular time so we have no personal growth. Cougars! 50 is the new 30! Stay young forever. 20-something’s watching ‘Adventure Time’ and going watching kid’s cartoons filled with snarky, pop culture references. 40 year old men watching movies about giant robots and superhero team ups.”

And another guy agrees “The Internet Reviewers who keep making videos snarking about media from their childhood well into their 30s.”

…his last YouTube vid is him reacting to the Star Wars trailer.

“40 year olds who are listless and irresponsible, waiting for life to be handed to them on a silver platter. Burned-out PUAs speaking pseudo-gangster club smack when they should have grown out of it. Boys looking for their mommies. **Pop culture addicts.**”

“Finding men of the calibre this forum attracts in the real world is extremely difficult.”

RVF thread titles:

“The Walking Dead – TV show and video game”
“Anyone watching the TV show “Arrow”? (Based on the DC comics hero “Green Arrow”)”
“New Mad Max officially ruined by mangina writer/director ”
“Why “The Dark Knight Rises” is the most redpill movie of this generation”
“Game of Thrones is getting boring”
“80s thread, best of the 80s”

I just want to re-stress that:

“20-something’s watching ‘Adventure Time’ and going watching kid’s cartoons filled with snarky, pop culture references. 40 year old men watching movies about giant robots and superhero team ups”

“Internet Reviewers who keep making videos snarking about media from their childhood”

Thread title: “80s thread, best of the 80s”


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@Glenn
“I’m beginning to see how much I kid myself about how serious I am about my own goals. It’s like I’m living on the faded glory of once being very effective but I give myself excuses for bad results in my life these days.”

That just means you’re totally normal and just like everybody else in the world because everyone does exactly the same thing.

…but don’t worry, you can be better. Get sanding. πŸ˜‰


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@Hobbes
“His need to burn others is coming from more than just money. That video I finally watched shows a guy who is deeply unhappy, most likely really depressed and, I get the impression, of someone who has lots of regrets.
My instinct tells me this guy regrets where his choices have landed him and needs to project the blame for it onto others.”

This was my read too, and why I say I hope he has some actual close buddies who can reign him in but I don’t think he does. I don’t think he’d get suicidal or anything but his actions aren’t that of a guy who’s happy with how his life has turned out.

A lot of people will blame it on “oh it’s because he’s a player and his mistake was learning game and living that lifestyle” but it’s not, I’ve met players in their 30s who are perfectly happy (including myself), because we’ve worked on our inner game and don’t view the world through this weird hostile angry “all women are garbage, homosexuals need to be excluded, all these MGTOWs and MRAs are losers” lens.

That shit is fine when you’re in your 20s and you’re still young and dumb, but in your 30s you have to be looking at cultivating a quality lifestyle and a healthy mindset.

I mean where does Roosh’s vision lead to at say 45yo? I know my vision for my life isn’t for everyone but I know exactly what I’ll be doing, I’ll have a harem of pleasant cool hotties on the go, my career/finances on track, my health in order, and if I decide I want to settle I’ll pick my favorite from the group and let her be my girlfriend and settle down with her.

But I LIKE women lol and I accept that there’s no such thing as a unicorn so I don’t get bitter and frustrated that women don’t live up to unicorn potential because I know that’s unrealistic. PlusI like myself and my lifestyle and I’m open to the possibility that my view of what I want in a few years may change and I may want to settle and thankfully MRAs/MGTOWs have opened my eyes to why legal marriage is insane so if I decide to settle it’ll be outside the law. But like, this is all planned in my head, I have a vision for where I want to end up and day to day I walk around with a smile on my face.

Roosh is pretty clearly unhappy/jaded with his lifestyle right now which is why Rollo’s “Sounds like you’re finally looking for a relationship Roosh” comment was a dead-on read. Unfortunately settling down goes against everything he’s rallied against for ages so the only way to not come off as a complete hypocrite is to try to change everyone’s view.

And the thing is I don’t think he’s even looking for a relationship, he’s just not finding that unicorn he still wishes existed and it’s got him frustrated and he’s looking for SOME kind of external change that’ll fix him. Religion, a bigger following, a unicorn wife, ANYTHING that’ll make him happy.

But happiness is internal. You have to fix your mindsets and your view of the world around you to be happy. Unfortunately, creating an ideological movement based around “us VS them” and anger and frustration and exclusion can’t really lead to mindsets that let you be happy.

Really he needs to watch some RSD vids about the topic lol

And personally if Roosh was like “actually you know what that was pretty out there of me, it’s cool if you guys do your thing I’m gonna try my shit out here” I would be like good on him I hope it works out and he ends up happy. Life is too short for grudges and really he hasn’t done anything to anyone except himself.


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@The Diplomat
“I’ve been holding back so far, but I just want to throw you some respect and gratitude for your wise insights, positive disposition, humor, good advice, and patience in helping everybody out here.”

Glad to have helped. Pay it forward and help spread an ideology that will do a lot more good for men than neomasculinity will. πŸ™‚


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@Blaximus
“There was a lot of interesting reading there, but there was also a metric shitload of racist bullshit in the articles and the comment section.”

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Part of why the PUA community doesn’t have the weird anti-gay & racist vibe that the Manosphere has way too much of (and a big part of why I like Rollo’s site is that his writing doesn’t have any of that stuff in it, this is a site I can actually (and HAVE actually) linked to friends), is that the primary rule of PUA is “go out”.

When you actively and regularly go out and socialize with strangers (aka sarging), you just by sheer numbers of hours interacting with people and variety of situations you’ll find yourself in, end up meeting enough people of all races and sexualities and classes and backgrounds and walks of life and personality types and appearances and professions (or lack thereof) and whatever other feature you can be “against” and you realize that they’re just like YOUR “type” that YOU are: 10% of their “type” are complete garbage, 10% of them are just generally shitty people, and 80% of them are pretty cool decent people just like you. Hell, half the other PUAs you’ll meet and grow and bond with will be dudes of other races and backgrounds (probably not gay dudes lol)

You’ll end up sharing moments and befriending people from these groups and you might tell yourself “ok well I met the ONE good one out of that lot, but the rest are garbage”. And then you keep going out to sarge and you meet another one. And another one. And maybe you meet some assholes that are everything you ever thought about that type of person. But the first person to check if you’re okay after that encounter is someone from their “type”. And slowly but surely, if you held those beliefs when you started out, but you sarge enough, you end up coming to the conclusion that maybe you had some ignorant views and maybe all that anger and hostility you were holding onto wasn’t that productive.

A big part of how I can tell how much a guy goes out and actually sarges is by his views on other races and homosexuality etc. You won’t find threads about “black people are 27.3% dumber than white people” or “should gays be allowed in our movement” etc. on PUA forums. You may find people who still hold some ignorant views, but generally those guys are the newbies.

You can’t hate people if you go out and sarge enough. There are too many awesome good people out there…they might not be perfect, but nobody is. Appreciate them for their good qualities and if they don’t have good qualities, walk away and don’t spend time around them. It’s simple.

@Jeremy
“you’re reading it for nuggets of truth that can be found with far less effort than would take outside of the manosphere.”

This. That’s why when people say “Oh PUA is a cult of people who just scam their students with bullshit that doesn’t work”, it falls flat. We don’t study PUA because we worship Tyler or Mystery or Style or anything (although there IS a lot of idol worship now that it’s gone super mainstream lol even the instructors are like “stop, don’t worship me I’m just some dude, you can do exactly what I’m doing if you just go out and apply yourself”). We study PUA because it answered a shitload of questions, whether the information came from some dude in a fuzzy hat or some homeless virgin or some rockstar with thousands of lays under his belt…it doesn’t matter. All that matters to us is “when I go out and interact with the world around me, this stuff makes those interactions make sense”.

@redlight
“As for RSD, I don’t see much for Julien beyond PUA.”

Ya, I think he figured that out when the whole world wanted to kill him lol That was the wake-up call for him. These instructors can often end up in pickup bubbles where they kind of forget how the rest of the world works because they aren’t around it much. They aren’t reading Jezebel or MRA forums etc. and the guys they interact with are pickup guys and they focus on pickup related topics, and the girls they interact with they interact with them on a sexual level, they aren’t discussing feminism and shit. When I see RVF guys complain about feminists at bars it’s like, what are you even talking about? Are you talking to women about feminism? Why are you doing that lol They’re girls, you’re in a fun environment, just have a good time you weird bitter fuck.

Then the bubble pops like this and it’s like “oh, right there’s the rest of the real world out there and they aren’t big fans of what we’re teaching”.

Tyler’s a smart dude, he’s been planning his exit routes for a while. He’s heavily networked and can start pretty much any business venture he wants with no problems financially plus he brings on younger instructors to keep the business going once he leaves, but if he tries to go into self-help his awkward mannerisms are going to put off a lot of normal people who don’t know how much more awkward he was when he started out lol People listen to Tony Robbins because he seems like a cool admirable dude you can get behind and admire, but Tyler is still a bit weird and I’m not sure if he’s too in a bubble to tell…he’ll have a lot of carryover audience from PUA though (that will possibly be ALL of his audience, much like Roosh and his RVF followers, except that Tyler has like a jillion more lol).


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@Sun Wukong
“I honestly can’t figure out how anyone makes it in modern American life without meeting enough different people to realize most bigotry is pretty fucking stupid. It takes a willful decision and action to go that route.”

Well you could always create a hugbox of like-minded people so you never have to leave your comfort zone and risk having your ignorant world views shattered:

“Roosh, all things post-schism considered, I would support a new website or forum platform. (…) At the end of the day, RVF is a game forum and ROK is a general red pill website. Neomasculinity can only differentiate itself from other spheres through exclusivity. ”

Self-awareness and self-analysis come from interacting with the world and different viewpoints and situations outside your comfort zone that force you to challenge your own beliefs and see the flaws and holes in them.

Ain’t no high-value men brewing inside a hugbox. Just isn’t possible.


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@Hobbes
“I guess what I’m trying to say is that there appears to be different types of alphas and different types of betas, and that a lot of guys need to be honest with themselves- is the answer really being able to get laid, or is what you seek to be loved?. because game can teach the first, but I don’t think it can teach the latter.”

Can’t agree with this. I was a virgin till 24, so I was one of the guys with no frame of reference etc. Literally the only way I got any female attention was through learning game so all my LTRs and long-term casual FBs (and the ones that have fallen in love with me and that I’ve loved too) have been through game.

The difference is that I didn’t approach game with an “us VS them” mentality. The oldschool PUA community taught stuff like “leave her better than you found her” and try to create win/win situations and actually LIKE the girl. But there are the guys who just want to learn game to “get back at” girls for rejecting them etc. I think those are the guys who end up on the Roosh path. Tyler was an angry bitter fuck who HATED women and wanted to use PUA to get revenge on them when he started out, but over the years he mellowed out and now he loves them and you can see it just in the way he talks about women in general, his viewpoint has 180’ed completely.

Now if you make an identity out of being a part of a forum where everyone just bitches all day about how shitty American women are and how they don’t deserve you and they’re all cunt whore lizard bitches…I mean, how do you expect to NOT end up jaded and cynical about pickup when you get to where Roosh is? That’s literally what you’ve based your entire identity off lol Like what would you expect?

That’s why I put a lot of emphasis on LIKING women and seeing the game as fun and seeing shit-tests as silly instinctive things women do and chances to build attraction instead of these horrible frustrating hurdles those “bitches” throw at men because they’re entitled cunts who don’t know what’s good for them etc. Like a guy should be going out looking FORWARD to sarging and meeting new women and having fun playing the cat & mouse game. If he’s not, he’s approaching it wrong and has a lot of internal shit to work on.

I think what I’m saying with regards to your point, because you’re not totally off that there’s different types of dudes, is that game itself is just a tool. It’s a knife. You can use it to make a peanut butter sandwich to give to your friends or you can use it to stab someone…the knife itself doesn’t determine which way you’ll go (and in the PUA community we try to encourage men to go the peanut butter sandwich route with our “leave them better than you found them” and “give value to others” teaching). Some people choose to use that knife for bad and it’ll take them to a shitty place no doubt about it. But picking up the knife itself or who you were before you found the knife doesn’t determine how you’ll use it…that comes down to your own mindsets and the teaching you had and the community that helped build your beliefs about how to use that knife.

“I would posit that not only do Alphas get the hot sweaty monkey sex, they get the truest version of female love that women are capable of giving.”

I agree with this. I’ve banged a number of girls who would happily leave their significant other (sometimes a boyfriend sometimes a husband etc.) if I told them I wanted to date them long-term (I try to prevent them catching feelings for me by not seeing them too frequently and not doing date-like things and stressing that I’m just some bar bum etc. to lower my value to “just good for sex”). And the stuff we do in the bedroom is stuff that they’ll never do with their husband. And they’ll tell me exactly how they REALLY feel about their man and like, shit, I have heard some stuff that could make me VERY fuckin’ jaded lol

The point is though, that I’m seeing the REAL side of them. I know things about them (not just about sex but about other stuff, I like to cuddle and chat after sex) that even their close friends and family don’t know about them and would never suspect about them because they have to put on a facade to avoid social judgement.

The reason they’ll open up to me like this is because they know I won’t judge them at all…as a result I’ve heard some seriously fucked up shit lol

Thing is the more scared you are to lose someone the less honest you are with them, which is kind of fucked up but it’s human nature. Like most guys wouldn’t want their wife to look thru their Internet History lol…so does she really KNOW you or does she know the image you’re putting on for her? Same with the genders reversed, a girl will tell me to choke her in bed and call her fucked up names because she knows I won’t judge her and even if I did she can just not see me again no big deal. But most of the time she won’t tell her husband to do that stuff to her because if he got weirded out and judged her for it it would fuck their relationship up and may ruin her locked-down provider. So he’s getting the sex that she knows he approves of, but sneaking out to have the sex she really wants with guys like me. Her guy is just getting the facade of her.

The surreal part is that I think a lot of these girls really DO love their man. He just doesn’t or can’t provide certain things she craves (like good sex), so she seeks that elsewhere. She doesn’t want to leave him and doesn’t think he’s some loser, he’s just not attractive to her in that lustful sexual way or they turned out not to be compatible and she doesn’t want to break it off because 90% of the relationship is fantastic, but that 10% is an itch that she knows a guy like me can scratch. Like she WISHES her man would have that last 10%, if he suddenly did have it she would be 100000% faithful to him. Sometimes that last 10% is something he can work on, sometimes it’s just bad luck of the draw that he can’t do anything about.

It’s a pretty complicated dynamic but I always find it interesting to learn about these parts of human nature. Often I feel bad for them, but sometimes it’s the dude’s fault like he’s got too judgemental an attitude or refuses to learn to bang better etc. I actually help these girls when I can, they vent about WHY they’re fucking me and I give them some advice on how to get their husband to loosen up and fuck better or scold them for playing too many games with him and give them the male red pill perspective on their relationship etc. and try to help get them back on track.

Thing is it can be very hard for a guy to fix this stuff. Because to even know that he’s doing something wrong or to acknowledge it he has to accept that he’s not as good with women or at sex as he thought, and like, that stings to a dude. And girls avoid uncomfortable feels, so a lot of times as crazy as it sounds a girl would rather cheat on the guy than have an honest conversation about him that might hurt his feelings. It makes sense in girl-logic but as a dude it’s like insert the confused jackie chan meme here lol

Sometimes giving them advice works sometimes it doesn’t or they don’t even bother trying because they’re happy enough with their situation to not want to risk rocking the boat, but it’s pretty cool when it works. Ideally I hope NOT to see a taken chick again ’cause it means she worked her shit out with her man and I’m happy for ’em, cause I’ll have other girls so I’ll be fine. And as far as guys your girl cheats on you with, I’m a pretty good guy to cheat with ’cause I’ll try to get her to fix her shit with you instead of telling her to leave you lol

There’s not a lot of info about this topic out there that I’m aware of lol but I like to talk about this stuff during my cuddle talk and I’ve seen some interesting patterns/behaviors that I think are noteworthy…but realistically most of the guys who bang taken girls don’t care that much about the psychology behind WHY she’s banging them and most of the guys who don’t bang taken girls are too offended by the notion of it to want to hear this lol So I guess I’m just writing this out for future lurkers of my archives. πŸ˜€

@Blaximus
“If a guy becomes RP in order to get laid, he kind of chose a path that may hinder him in finding ” love “.”

Can’t agree with this. Most guys have a verrrrry bullshit notion of what love is. They don’t even know what they’re REALLY attracted to because they haven’t banged many girls. They know what the idealized version of a girl that they picture themselves with is, but they don’t REALLY know like “huh, I always thought this personality trait would be a turn-off but it turns out I kind of like it and get bored of girls who DON’T have it…who knew??” You learn a lot about yourself when you hook up with a bunch of girls. A guy shouldn’t get into a deep LTR till he’s been with a handful of girls and knows exactly what he REALLY needs long-term. That can take a while to figure out.

Love is easy. Girls will fall in love very easy. But it’s also conditional. I’d say unconditional love from a woman is a myth. It would be very rare to see a hot high-SMV girl who won’t leave a guy who leaves his job and sits around on the couch all day getting fat and watching TV and having no goals in life etc. I want to say the exception is between a mother and her kids but these days I don’t even know about that one there’s a lot of entitlement and fucked up shit going on with single moms…not all of them but for some of them it’s like a kid is just another new purse or pet dog.

I also think the notion of loving someone meaning you’re 100% fully committed to only them forever is kind of silly. You don’t have just one male friend who provides everything you ever need in a friendship, you have a variety of bros with different assets and traits that you get value from and they all get value from you in different ways. You don’t love your mom any less just because you love your dad, you don’t love your son any less just because you have a daughter. You don’t make a new friend and like your old friends less…so why is it when we talk about LTRs it’s “you can only love one person otherwise you are a monster and they can only love you otherwise they’re a shitty person”. That’s just Disney conditioning bullshit.

But hell, who knows, I just try to make the best of what I’m dealt lol


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“And I am not unique, I know more than a few beta guys who have had real love from women.”

I don’t want to crush your soul and I know you’ll keep thinking that your experience is different, but most of the guys who’s girls my buddies and I have hooked up with would describe their relationships the same way. Guys who haven’t had a lot of experience being that “other guy” who’s fingering her while she’s talking to her boyfriend on the phone talking about how much she loves him, sometimes have a hard time understanding that there might not be a difference between the “true love” they think they have and the same “love” everyone else has.

Maybe you’ve found some glitch in the red pill and hundreds of thousands of men are all just missing a huge blind spot that you’ve been the fortunate one to experience…or maybe you haven’t fully swallowed the red pill and seen the full matrix yet.

You sound like a nice dude, and I’m sure your girls love you and are genuinely sweet girls, but a lot of these girls loved their man too. There’s no special “TRUE *REAL* love”, but your natural instinct will be to brush everyone who tells you there’s no such thing aside as someone who just hasn’t experienced it, know what I mean? “You guys don’t understand, this one is DIFFERENT…” is usually the sign of someone who’s got more to learn about feminine nature ahead of him.

No offense intended, it’s just AWALT.


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lol no prob, nothing personal I just don’t understand your point. You say:

“I have gone out of my way to make clear that I am not talking about unicorns, or **“true love”** or even idealistic love”

“**I never even intimated NAWALT** and fully and firmly know that everyone one of my ex’s, my friends wives/gfs and my mother Are All Like That.”

But the posts I was responding to say:

“So at first, these guys think all their problems will be solved by getting laid, but they’ve never had a **real relationship** or a women in love with them.”

“Sure, you learn how to Game, how to be socially savvy enough to get a girl home, but **real connection** eludes them…”

“Some betas may not get that hot desire an alpha get, but they do and can get **true love**, as far as women are capable of.”

“is the answer really being able to get laid, or is what you seek **to be loved**?. because game can teach the first, **but I don’t think it can teach the latter.**”

“I was very blue pill, and yet I had at least 3 ltrs with women, that even looking back with RP awareness were **deeply in love** with me- and 2 remain that way.”

“Their **“love” was real enough** that years later, they both at different times made their way to the city, at their own expense to be with me.”

“There are a thousand PUAs that can get laid but cant ever **inspire that kind of feeling and caring** in a woman.”

“I know more than a few beta guys who have had **real love** from women.”

“**But there is a very real and authentic love.**”

Like, I don’t have a beef/judgement either way, your wording just comes off like despite your caveats and quotation marks, you still think there’s some special true love going on so I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say. Maybe it’s just that your thoughts still need clarification in your own mind for you to present them in a way that’s clear (not a jab at you, you said “I’ve thought about, but haven’t really wrapped my head around. I’ll throw this idea out there, since this place is so good at helping to clarify ideas and working things out.” so I’m just saying like, ok your first draft of this thing you’re trying to explain isn’t clear enough to understand easily yet).

From what I’m reading you’re saying “there’s no such thing as true real love (and women are only capable of a certain type of love)…EXCEPT the true real love (as far as women are capable of) that some betas like myself and these guys I know have felt that some alphas will never feel and the red pill can’t explain yet”. Like, that’s the message that comes across from what you wrote (to me at least), regardless of whether you’re some super player or a total AFC. So it sounds like you’re saying “I know A isn’t real, but there’s this special A that I’ve felt that guys who say A isn’t real haven’t felt”, which translates to “A is real” which boils down to “I know A isn’t real…but it’s real!”

Totally open to clarification/reword/explanation as you figure out how best to explain your view but this version of it is confusing. Like I say, no offense intended I just legitimately don’t understand the point you’re trying to make lol


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“btw, I hope my comments are taken the way they are meant- absolutely nothing personal, this is all data to me. ”

ya man, no worries. If my views are wrong or incomplete or inconsistent then I want to know that so I can fix it. It’ll take very clear explanations with evidence to back it up if it goes against the conclusions the combined consensus has nailed down (and your views might NOT go against it, like I say the wording of what you’re trying to say isn’t clear to me), but I’m always open to new ideas and perspectives even if I don’t end up convinced enough to agree with them.

All I look for is the truth. If tomorrow I found out that all my views on pickup were wrong I would change them to whatever it turns out reality is. I don’t promote an ideology, I promote backwards engineering combined data from mass-reference experiences from hundreds of thousands of men…whatever that data consistently shows.

“You can’t just game and know RP, or alpha up- you have to find a way to have joy in your life and that is what I find men miss a lot in the RP”

I would say that’s the fault of either very specifically the resources that guy was learning from that didn’t mention that, or that guy’s fault for not exploring more to learn from more sources. PLENTY of PUAs teach internal stuff about being happy and finding joy in the process and interactions and life in general. RSD alone has got like a million free videos on the subject, lots of dudes push Eckhart Tolle and Tony Robbins stuff, like the push for men to BE joyful happy people is THERE.

But in the case of someone like Roosh, his identity is based around being miserable and hating on everything, and looking down on everyone else…so he’s not going to go watch a Tyler vid on how to be happy. He’s not going to promote acceptance of crazy feminist bitches out at the bar. He’s not going to admit that he isn’t happy and look into ways to fix that because that all requires a certain level of humility and self-reflection which if you’re trying to start a cult probably isn’t your strong suit lol

Like, the resources are OUT there, but whether the guy is open to seeking them out or listening to them falls more on that individual guy’s responsibility than anything missing in the RP. Like RP NOT covering having joy in your life is their forum actively avoiding watching RSD vids etc. that stress the importance of it.

I agree that the TRP tends to focus more on “just make money and get ripped and have a purpose and you’ll be happy”, but in my mind anyone really interested in self-development should be looking at all possible resources, and should be ENCOURAGED to. That’s why an ideology like Roosh’s is doomed because it’s based around “we already know all the answers, there’s nothing more we can learn, and we don’t want anyone in our cult to look at or listen to any resources that aren’t ours, WE provide ALL the answers you need, just turn off your brain and follow what our elders tell you to think!”

So I agree that a lot of guys learning game DON’T put a huge emphasis on being internally happy, BUT I put that failure on them as individuals and not on the content because I can link dozens of free easily findable videos and articles about it that go back YEARS.


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Random trivia: hit CTRL+F and type “yareally” on that Rawness article you linked. πŸ™‚

There’s me 3 years ago trying to open that article’s reader-base to postive “find joy in life” content. The reception is about as you’d expect lol

People who make an identity out of being miserable and hating on the world are generally resistant to it. I post stuff like that for the lurkers who still have an open mind and see my writing and the content I link and possibly benefit from it.

Like that guy that debates with me there has decided all PUA is a scam and anything that in any way remotely will help you with women is evil and based off supplicating to women’s approval, which we all know is a silly fallacy that’s been debunked numerous times. The guy even agrees that a guy who’s got his shit together in business health etc. but can’t get laid just needs some basic social skills and flirting training…just not TOO MUCH. Not the BAD kind! Only the GOOD KIND that HE approves of and through his limited paradigm is “pure” and not “evil”. Mental masturbation.

So that’s why I say if a guy learning about the Red Pill goes down the Roosh route where they don’t learn to have inner joy, that’s not the Red Pill’s fault, the teaching and content and encouragement to work on that is OUT THERE…but whether someone will be receptive to it or look into it (esp when they first discover the Red Pill and they’re in the anger stage of it and don’t care about being happy), that’s on that individual.

“My experience, though, is that a lot of what I thought was the ‘real’ me was more of an idealization I had built up in my head. I don’t consider myself to be a PUA, but using ‘game’ with women has simply become an integrated part of my behaviors since understanding more fully how much I was repressing.”

Yup. When you were a baby and you were hungry for something you just grabbed it and put it in your mouth. We all started out that way. Pure id, if you subscribe to that idea. Then slowly over time we learned “don’t do that” “don’t say that” “don’t act like that” “do this instead” “do that” “sit down” “don’t speak out” “good boys don’t do that” “real men don’t do this” “real men do this (hi, Roosh’s new ideology!)” and we get chains of social conditioning wrapped around us.

Some of that is GOOD, it’s GOOD to be told not to put your hand on a hot stove. But a lot of it is very VERY bad…some of it was malicious programming by people with an agenda, but a lot of it was just people with good intentions trying to help us and not realizing what they were doing.

PUA and the Red Pill is about breaking away from those chains and getting closer to that id version of you that you were when you were young and unrestrained. Women find that unrestrained id attractive (for lots of reasons like showing that you don’t follow the rules and go for what you want and make decisions etc. etc.) and most guys who get far enough down the road feel like a more free version of themselves rather than someone “new”.

It’s like having a shitload of chains and weights removed from your body. Freedom.

“Great stuff man. It’s funny to me to think how horrified I would have been by your perspective once, and now I’m just like “Oh cool, I see how that could work well lol””

There are times and situations where sharing my experiences (and those of my buddies) will put people off. “I thought you were all about helping guys!! But you’re fucking these guys wives!!!” (in my ideal world those men would be taught enough RP knowledge to not BE trapped married with oneitis, and the women choosing to break their vows would be held accountable for their free will decision lol)

But all I’m after is the truth no matter how fucked up it is, and I assume that any guy reading sites like this is after the same thing.

“Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness… give me truth” and all that.

“Three years ago I thought I wanted a girl who could take charge of shit, haha, guess it was a workaround for me being passive as shit.”

Ya, the type of girl I idealized in my head when I was growing up and daydreaming about what having a girlfriend would be like etc. (right up till age 24 when I found game and even a couple years into it I held onto that vision) is LITERALLY the exact 180 opposite of what I’ve found I ACTUALLY respond to and am attracted to and fascinated by and what maintains my interest. I didn’t know myself enough to have any IDEA what type of energy/personality/sex/etc. I really needed to stay long-term satisfied/interested in a girl.

And I was a pretty self-aware guy back then, like I considered myself way beyond most of my peers in terms of having a solid understanding of my own psychology etc. and I was 10000000% convinced that that dream girl I envisioned (ironically she was exactly the unicorn every other AFC dreams of and every other not-fully-swallowed-the-red-pill player hopes they’ll find so they can leave the game lol), was the perfect girl for me and if I found her the traits I pictured would completely satisfy me. No one would be able to convince me otherwise.

…but the field takes all your beliefs and shoves the flaws and holes back in your face. ‘Cause I met girls like my vision, and I met girls not like my vision, and I met girls who were the exact opposite of my vision and I met girls who I thought there was no chance in hell I would ever like. And slowly through field experience, I learned more and more about what I like and don’t like, what I need and don’t need, what I tolerate and don’t tolerate, and most importantly: what I bring to the table and what I expect a girl to bring to the table.

I consider myself lucky that I didn’t meat that ideal girl back then, because I would have courted and married her and had no idea that I would ultimately end up unsatisfied with her and my life choices. Far as I’m concerned, I dodged a bullet.

PUA is as much about getting to know and understand YOURSELF as it is getting to know and understand others.


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You’re just going through the natural process of unplugging. Your old wiring was all fucked up and needed to be torn out before you can start to fix the machine. And there’ll be more wiring in there that you won’t even realize is there till you run into it in certain situations. And it’ll piss you off, and make you sad, and you’ll think stuff like “how could I be so stupid to believe the lies??” and “how could people I thought CARED about me put me and KEEP ME on such a fucked up path??” There’s a whole lot of emotional rollercoaster that happens at this stage.

But it’ll settle down and that’s where you get to start the rewiring. But you can’t just rewire yourself…I mean, how the fuck are you supposed to do THAT?? You didn’t even KNOW there WAS better software out there till after 50 years of bullshit programming.

That’s where you hit YouTube and absorb the FUCK out of content. I highly recommend Tyler from RSD’s stuff. Peruse the titles and look for stuff that speaks to you. He has a lot of pickup related stuff that probably isn’t relevant to you at 50+ but he also has a lot of non-pickup related stuff about having a purpose and why the world works how it does etc. Highly recommend pirating The Blueprint, it clears up a LOT about how dysfunctional society is. Also read all of Rollo’s stuff.

“and it seems to me that internalizing all these fucked up values habituated seeing myself hyper critically, and never really being satisfied with what I was.”

Welcome to marketing/consumerism 101. You’re not good enough as you are, sorry. But you CAN be good enough…if you buy our product. Work hard so you can give us your money and buy it and feel amazing!! And you WILL feel amazing!! …for a while. Then the magic will wear off. And we’ll come out with a new product and say “you’re still using that OLD product?? lol wow, that’s sad. This NEW product is what you need if you want to feel good.” and on and on.

The minute you look in the mirror and really truly internalize that you can just BE HAPPY and just FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF, for NO fucking reason? That you can just feel like you have value based on NOTHING and with no justifications for it? No laundry list checklist of why you DESERVE to feel good? That you can just smile and force yourself to think positive thought loops and learn to look around and appreciate the things you DO have and enjoy about life and no longer focus on the things you’re lacking or that aren’t good?

That minute is the minute you’re no longer going to make them a fortune and your worth will no longer be defined by “what good are you to others”? πŸ™‚

Here’s a good short RSD vid on how social conditioning has fucked you up that might resonate with you:

And on purpose:

And on evolving yourself:

The biggest hurdle you’ll have to overcome as you enter this rewiring stage is:

1) You’ll have to find a purpose (or purposes). Whether it’s sanding that table or socializing or getting your health in check or learning new hobbies…whatever fuels your interests.

2) It will probably be VERY HARD to find a purpose…because you have spent 50 years following other peoples’ purposes. You’ve spent 50 years being SHAMED and made to feel SELFISH for DARING to even THINK about finding a purpose that isn’t “being a utility to others”. You will probably feel bad and guilty…GUILTY! For asking yourself “what do *I* want?” The idea that a man could have some kind of want and selfishly chase that want, and that want might just be for HIM and him alone? That’s madness in our society. Men are utilities, we aren’t supposed to have desires.

3) It wasn’t your fault. You were just a victim of social conditioning your entire life, like the rest of us and like most people will be for the rest of THEIR lives. You weren’t stupid, you weren’t oblivious, you couldn’t have somehow known better…you were trapped inside a very convincing illusion like in The Truman Show. There was no way for you to figure this out on your own.

4) You will have to learn that it’s OKAY to put yourself first and that it’s GOOD to have wants and desires and that they’re just as valid if not MORE valid than other people’s desires. You won’t be a bad person for doing something you want to do and prioritizing yourself and your desires. Once you can accept that you deserve to HAVE desires, you can start rewiring yourself toward your purposes.

5) You can’t change the past. What’s done is done. A lot of it was bullshit, a lot of it was a waste, a lot of it was painful when it might not have had to be…but it’s in the past. You can’t go back and change it. You can look back on it and understand it better but at the end of the day, I don’t know your story but at 50+ you should still be able to get your health on track and you could have another 20+ YEARS ahead of you. That’s like getting all the years from being a teenager to mid-30s over again. That’s a long time to work on yourself and live a life completely different from the last 50. It’s all on YOU. We can all help motivate you, but you’re the one who’s gotta pick up the sandpaper and start swiping at that table.

“You cannot make a transition that drastic (unless you’re a rockstar or pro athlete or Justin bieber) SO I WOULD BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT YAREALLY SAYS. Virgin at 24–> to player fucking tons of chicks in his 30s. Nope doesn’t happen. Unless your fucking early 30s or late late 20s 6s.”

lol wut? Shit, I guess I’ve been imagining the last 10-ish years of my life. There’s no reason you can’t learn to bang hot girls if you put in the hours. I put in a LOT of hours. Check my archives for my life story. If you want it bad enough you can get it. Pickup itself isn’t even THAT complicated…it’s really a simple set of principles and a lot of game is just based on teaching guys how to follow those principles and how they work. The biggest part is unwiring all the bullshit conditioning you’ve had that guys like YOU have wired into guys like Glenn. “You can’t do that, it’s impossible, doesn’t happen, give up.” Like fuck off with that shit. How many great men ended up living bullshit lives that meant nothing because they listened to some dipshit who told them “it’s not possible, don’t even try”.

You don’t even understand HOW you do what YOU do…and you think you should advise other guys on what THEY can do?? lol

@Glenn @Sun Wukong
“I love when I get to tear everything up on a network like that and rebuild it. Means I get to do it my way instead of dealing with the stupid kludges, hacks, and bad planning that was in the way previously.”

Beautifully put. How awesome would it be to take some shitty apartment you live in and get to totally gut the whole thing and rebuild it from scratch exactly the way you want? It would be a lot of work and you’d have to learn a lot of things and absorb a lot of new information on how to build what you want to build…but man, getting to watch that custom build slowly shaping up day by day? That’s pretty awesome and something a lot of people will never experience.

@Will
“Ever think maybe these girls who “are married with husbands” are just trying to stay away from hurting you because they don’t want to get serious with someone who has nothing going for him. I don’t know you so I can’t judge but just a thought.”

I’m not sure what you mean lol…like their wedding rings are fake and the phone calls from their husband and their Facebook profiles of them with their hubby/kids are fake in some ruse to spare some kind of feelings on my end? That would be a helluva ruse on their part.


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RE: Roosh’s meltdown because holy shit

Brutal. The problem is he based his entire identity around pickup so now he’s trapped. He has to do something with pickup to earn long-term money, but if he comes out and just charges for pickup related content like all the other PUAs figured out to do (not even focusing on the fact that most of his material is ripped off from the PUA community and reworded or watered down, which is hilarious given his accusations of the Red Pill community doing that exact thing), he’ll look like a huge hypocrite. So he has to slander everyone else to differentiate himself as the “one true way”, throw out some hip new slang terms he can use for his brand, and will likely end up charging for pickup related content just like everyone else…except he won’t be just like them, because what HE’S selling DIFFERENT. When THOSE GUYS did it it was all lies and scams, but when HE does it it’ll be the TRUE WAY.

I don’t charge for my content and I stay anonymous. Why? Because once you go public now you have to try to make a living off this shit and then you have to start worrying about your reputation and sales instead of just presenting simple obvious truths with no frills or gimmicks. And that’s do-able if you stay out of the really bright limelight but if you go let yourself get obliterated on Dr. Oz and pick fights with Jezebel regularly, you’re locking yourself into doing this shit for life.

I mentioned when he went on Dr Oz that there’s nothing in there that was trying to help men. Helping men would be going on there and communicating a solid message to the men in the audience, not just ragging on fat chicks for shock value. That was completely about building infamy and brand. That’s why his response is all “TRP turned on me! They’ll turn on you too!!” That only matters if you care whether they like you or not, which means your ego/identity is too invested and you’re more concerned with what people think of you than you are about ACTUALLY HELPING MEN. If your goal is to produce content that helps men then you don’t care if a community rags on you or not. I have a bunch of haters, I don’t give a shit…read my stuff if you resonate with it and it helps you cool, if not I’m open to debate, and if you think I’m a fucktard then don’t read my shit or call me names if you think that’s a productive use of your time. It doesn’t bother me because my goal isn’t to be liked, it’s to help spread information that will help other men the way the old-school PUA community (before it got all commercialized and people were teaching bootcamps in coffee shops for the fee of “a couch to crash on”) helped me.

Building your brand via infamy might be a fine idea if you’re set up like Tyler where you’ve got a multi-million dollar business, employees to pass the workload onto and bring in income for you, already handled the 2 kids and a baby-mama thing, have a bunch of fuckbuddies and fans and customers and high-value networking connections and your reputation isn’t complete poison like “international fat shamer” and Tucker Max…but when you’re one dude who has a small cult following at best, and you get bored of the game and don’t have anything really lined up except “looking for The One” (and inevitably solipsistically proclaiming that being a player is a shallow meaningless existence (who cares if dating a variety of women would be beneficial to other men or not it’s all about me and my reality and my feeeeeels!!!) the same way Tyler is currently being emo right now after his recent breakup of one of his long-term girls but Tyler built himself a support network and variety of instructors that will shake him out of it and keep the content coming so he can’t tank the RSD brand with his emo-ness)…Roosh didn’t really leave himself a lot of “outs” for when the game loses it’s excitement to him. You can tell from his writing that he’s been disillusioned with it for a while now.

But man, throwing literally every other part of the community under the bus and stomping on it, especially the over the top hostile jabs at Rollo?? I mean, shit. I knew he didn’t know much about business/marketing when he predicted RSD was going to tank after the Julien fiasco (for brilliant marketing check out how Julien used all that controversy to advertise his new Shift product), but this tops it.

You can start a new movement and lingo and all that without shitting all over everyone. This is just like when feminists, so ego/identity-invested in their ideology, can’t just say “big is beautiful”, they have to say “big is beautiful, not like those anorexic skinny bitches”.

Really surprised to see it from Roosh, the same way I was surprised to see his forum freak out about the Julien fiasco. I think they’ve been too tightly closed on their forum with so much moderation that they don’t realize they’ve become a hugbox “us VS the world, everyone else is the enemy” style.

You just don’t expect that kind of thing from a guy who’s been working on being a solid grounded alpha male. I don’t even hate the guy (though I’ve never been a fan because he’s just repackaging PUA and then writes articles slandering RSD in the same “I can lie in here because no one will actually go check it out for themselves” way Jezebel does), but like, I feel bad for where this is going to go.

On a side note not to suck your dick or anything Rollo but for the readers here’s an example of rock solid alpha shit:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/rooshv/neomasculinity_receives_mainstream_recognition/#comment-2039840364

Rollo holds his frame, doesn’t get pulled down into the emotional mud-slinging, stays calm and rational and gives him a few outs like the understanding parent of a child throwing a tantrum. That’s what it looks like when you have someone who’s ego isn’t attached to their work meeting someone who’s ego is far too wrapped up in it. Solid handling of it.


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@Rollo
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47693-post-1027087.html#pid1027087

Right out of the Feminist Playbook. Create a hugbox, slander as many groups as possible, paint well-deserved critiques as “harassment”, and run to your hugbox for support and potentially dogpiling/retaliation.

Surreal to see from someone so established. If you criticize one group for doing something (making a living off selling content, repackaging other people’s content for your own audience), you can’t go and do the same thing yourself and then get upset when someoene calls you out on that.

You can’t build a movement based around being model masculine males when your leader is an emotional basketcase that’s lashing out at people who could have helped. Who’s going to look at Roosh and say “I want to follow this guy” when he’s this unstable and is purposely trying to divide communities that are aimed at helping men and should be working together for the overall benefit of men?? This is basically “you’re all pussies, I’mma start a club for REAL MEN!!!!1″ which is literally the kind of weirdly egocentric thing a guy with his shit together and who’s worth listening to wouldn’t DO.

I’m legit worried for the dude, like in terms of mental health/depression. Getting criticized for his terrible Dr Oz appearance seems to have really tipped things over the deep-end for him. Sometimes you have to know your weaknesses and if you’re not a charismatic personality and not prepared for representing yourself well in a sensationalized media system then you need to lower your ambitions of grandeur.

His hugbox will just keep goading him toward failure because they’re LARP’ing along like they’re in Braveheart but I really hope he’s got some legit close buddies who haven’t drank the Kool-Aid who he’ll actually listen to when they say “Roosh, buddy, maybe it’s time to take a little vacation and come back when you’re not all emo”.

This is like Paul Elam attacking MGTOW so he can cash in on his book, this isn’t good for anyone. The mainstream media will categorize Roosh’s new shit under the exact same brush as the rest of us and MRAs and MGTOWs etc. especially with him and all the brutal content he’s put out and supported just a Google search away. And his mental breakdown will scare men off from looking at Red Pill content that could help them because he’s going to end up a warning sign “don’t even bother with this shit, look where it’ll get you”.

Can’t even imagine how this plan makes sense in his head. I mean what’s next, a victim-bux Patreon account because of the “harassment” he’s getting from people disagreeing with his opinions??


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This vid is for Roosh, starting at 8min:

Roosh is stuck in Level 4 “We’re awesome and everyone else sucks”. But a guy needs to work on getting to Level 5: “WE are the shit, AND the WORLD is the shit”. That’s what giving value is.

Lot of great real-talk in Tyler’s “truth about success” series, everyone should give it a listen. Ya Tyler’s a weirdo but he overcame his looks and social awkwardness to get laid and runs an incredibly successful company and is pretty much set for life and it sure wasn’t through being born more advantaged than everyone else lol


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I’m not a huge fan of TRP on reddit (I think they reject PUA stuff that could help them, based on other people’s word instead of researching it for themselves, a lot of problems I see in their posts are stuff that basic Mystery Method would fix if they would just pick it up and read it to see what use they can get out of it), but I’ll give em credit on this one: They have very perceptively nailed Roosh to the WALL in that thread. Like, everything he’s done or tried to do they are having ZERO wool pulled over their eyes and entertaining no misdirection. From Reaxxion going clickbait and stormfront, to the Dr Oz performance, to critiquing how he’s handling this situation and why and how it’s ego based and wanting to be the leader and have control etc. etc.

Like, I want to give the TRP forum a slow-clap…despite what Roosh says about them they’re clearly learning some solid shit about human nature and social psychology over there because they ain’t fallin for NONE o’ that shit.

God I almost want to stay in and pop popcorn and just watch the drama unfold tonight lol


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@Sun Wukong
“Go out, take smartphone. #TheresAnAppForThat”

lol I’ve tried to kick the habit of being on my phone (txting/surfing) when I’m out. My buddy and I are actually considering going out without our phones entirely for a while to see how it changes things. I was in a Subway the other day and everyone in the lineup had their heads down looking at their phone while the girl behind the counter was waiting for some subs to toast and I thought it was interesting that she probably sees the tops of more heads than anyone has ever seen in previous generations (aside from tall people) lol A lot of us check our phones not because there’s anything important going on on them but just to avoid human interaction…whereas in the old days you would all have to make small talk for the 30 seconds while those subs toast. So I’ve been working on keeping my phone in its pocket when I’m out in public, or turning it off (so it takes a minute to turn back on and isn’t an instant thing…maybe a really long hard to type password would work too, I should try that actually) so that when I instinctively pull it out to avoid that “uncomfortable feels” of making small-talk with strangers (aka cleverly disguised Approach Anxiety), I see it’s locked and go “oh, right, ok be present to the moment and engage the people around me, don’t be one of those smartphone zombies”.

It’s interesting because when I started PUA cellphones were rare and texting wasn’t a thing (it still cost money and most people were using landlines etc.). So back then you’d have to get numbers on scraps of paper (I miss that actually lol, I kept a big stack of them in my closet as a pile of victory/memories of my progress lol) and when you went to Subway and there was that 30 second window of toasting your sub it was either look around the room awkwardly silent or just bite the bullet and socially engage with people. Technology is valuable as fuck, it’s amazing that I have a computer with access to the information of literally the entire world just chilling in my pocket, BUT there are situations where it can be isolating and limiting and we should be aware of that for our own development.

Anyway I got cockblocked at the last minute tonight (faaaack) so here I am tuning back into the drama lol

@Nathan
“Also, I just started reading your archive. SOOOO Good.”

lol glad it helped you. Take what you can from it, try it out in-field, see what resonates, and discard what doesn’t give you value. A lot of the stuff that sounds unbelievable is stuff that I wouldn’t have believed 5 or 10 years ago. Field-experience is king, push your boundaries and your comfort zones and chase new reference experiences. Most of the social rules in society are bullshit…as we said in the old days: PUAs are the exception to the rule.

“That guy has an annoying voice, talks too fast, and something about him rings fake, but a good message.”

lol ya Tyler is fucked up. He’s like partly asbergers or some shit and still working on coming off “normal” but it seeps through a lot of the time (he’s way better than like 5-10 years ago) so a lot of his body language etc. comes off as “mimicing how I think normal people would act”. He knows it too, he’s mentioned it in a few videos that he knows he comes off weird. Try to ignore that for his actual message/content because what he’s actually saying is some good shit and he’s got plenty of field experience and the footage/witnesses to back up his skills that give his message some weight…and if what he’s saying doesn’t resonate then he’d be the first one to tell you to dismiss it and encourage you to think for yourself, as would I.

The problem with what Roosh is doing is that he’s trying to create a community of people who have to follow certain rules and beliefs to be a part of the cool kids club. That’s going to work as well as the Blue Pill and Feminist/SJW’s requirements that men follow certain rules and beliefs to be a part of the club…a select vocal few will follow their leader to the ends of the earth…and I mean, you have to LOOK at the quality OF those select vocal few…I don’t want to name names because there’s enough drama already but I’ve seen some of the dudes RVF creates (because for some reason they like to put their names and faces out there) and their belief systems on a wide range of topics (from homosexuality to views on race) and it’s just like watching a bunch of LARP’ers who don’t realize what they actually look like to the rest of us in the real world. That’s the nicest way I know how to say it.

Meanwhile you’ve got the other camps that teach a welcome generous benevolent nature, acceptance of others (even if you disagree with them), trying to build other people up instead of viewing them all as the enemy…no one WANTS to live in a negative anti-social angry-at-the-world mindset except emo teenagers and guys who haven’t paid attention to all the writing out there about detaching from your ego and giving value to the world. I post a lot of RSD videos because there are a ton of them on every subject and they’re usually very well explained (and while Tyler has a nasally voice he’s at least not some weird LARPy sounding mouth-breathing dude with his mike too close to his face lol people rag on Sandman but he’s one of the few MGTOW who’s videos are professional/quality enough that I can actually sit through and enjoy them), but a big focus for the last few years (ever since he read Eckhart Tolle) over at RSD has been on overcoming the ego. The reason for that is that oldschool PUA didn’t teach much about it and some of the oldschool PUAs went down some pretty shitty paths (Mystery seems to be back now but it sounds like he went through some rough periods) and Tyler’s been around enough Naturals to watch them self-destruct from their own egos the same way Roosh is doing (the “I’m the best, you all suck” Level 4 shit he mentioned in that video). Roosh legitimately needs to watch some of that content because he’s falling into the exact trap that Tyler’s been trying to help teach guys to avoid.

And if his ego wasn’t wrapped up in it, he COULD watch it. But because he’s wrapped his entire ego/identity in this and fallen into the hugbox “no longer a student, now I’m a master so I don’t need to learn from anyone I consider beneath me” he will never watch it. Literally this is the moment where any progress in his self-development he could make will halt because he’s stopped accepting outside opinions and views from other people with as much or more experience than him in their respective areas. This is where he shuts his brain off and runs on complete emotional feels and hugbox rallying momentum.

I watch MGTOW vids, read Red Pill on reddit, I read the Mens Rights forum on reddit and AVFM, I even read Return of Kings and lurk in the RVF forum. Hell, I read feminist sites (partly for the laugh lol but also to see their perspective on events and keep up to date on society in general’s progress toward Red Pill ideas and to know what to expect in situations like a false rape accusation or scandal in my professional life). Some of the content is useless or a waste of my time and I skip it, but often there’s something to learn or ideas/viewpoints to ponder or things I can take from those areas to solidify and tighten my own mindsets and grow.

Like my rant about phones above, I know that skepticism of technology is a tenant of Roosh’s new Roosh Movement thing. Why do I know that? Because even though I disagree with what he’s doing I still read his manifesto shit to see what I could learn from it. Because PUA isn’t about “decide on a conclusion and then find evidence to support it”, it’s “whatever works, use it”. Because my ego isn’t attached to it. Like I’ve said before, if the PUA community found out tomorrow that wearing a white shirt consistently got better results in-field we would be teaching guys to wear white shirts. If we found out our ideas crumble under pressure-testing we would change them and look for new answers to explain the results. It’s in the best interests of even the scammy PUA companies to get their customers LAID lol

Roosh has fallen into the same paradigm the feminists and anti-game guys do where they think we’re trying to build a movement around idol worship…even Mystery himself warned repeatedly in his seminars and writing “don’t try to be ME, I don’t want a bunch of little Mystery’s running around (which ironically is what happened lol). Learn from what I’m teaching and adapt it to your own identity and make it your own”. Even Tyler promotes his other instructors and as a company they don’t really talk about other companies or sling mud at them. The reason these people fall into that paradigm is because it’s what they’re obsessed with themselves, so they project that onto everyone else. That’s how you get someone like Sue Walsh or Lindsey…shit I can’t even remember her name now lol the Jezebel chick that ate the oreos. Or in the MGTOW community the recent Stardusk ego dust-up where he went after Sandman out of the same “my way is the one true way” egocentric paradigm that Jezebel writers and Roosh work from. To me that’s INSTANTLY and indicator of where that person is coming from and that they still have a lot of work to do internally before they become someone that people should emulate. It doesn’t mean they don’t still have valuable stuff to contribute…even tho I consider Roosh’s work to be a ripoff/repackage of PUA, I don’t care it’s good that it’s out there, the more content in the most forms possible the better, I don’t care if a guy escapes the Matrix via MGTOW, MRA, PUA, Manosphere, TRP, Roosh, whatever works to get men unplugged…I trust that men who unplug are intelligent enough to do their research into other viewpoints and decide for themselves what aligns and doesn’t align with their personal goals of self-improvement.

Like Tyler says: I do and will always consider myself a student of the game. Once you decide you’ve mastered it, that’s where you stop growing. Roosh has decided he’s a master and his hugbox feeds into it.

…at least that’s the only reason I can imagine that THIS exists. I honestly can’t tell if this some kind of April Fools trolling thing but even if it is…I mean, shit watch his reply to all this for yourselves, I don’t even know where to start with this:

…is this real life?? I don’t know anything about marketing/branding but to my layman eyes this just doesn’t seem like a good approach to it on ANY level lol

@Sun Wukon
“Haha, maybe this is what the Male Wall can look like.”

lol I can’t even disagree with using that term to describe this. This is very similar to a former hot girl writing an angry Jezebel article when she hits the wall and realizes men aren’t giving her the attention she’s built her ego up to believe she’s entitled to. It’s not that there’s anything wrong with her, she’s perfect…it’s all these men who won’t man up and impress and marry her that are the problem. And her and her Jezzie hugbox that will coddle and fluff her ego with “you GO grrrl!!” good feels are what’s happening in that RVF thread.

I know I’m shilling hard for RSD right now lol but seriously they have hours and hours of free content from various instructors (if you don’t like Tyler’s voice lol) about detaching your ego from the game and it’s to avoid guys hitting the wall like this. I encourage everyone on the path of learning game to at least check out the Truth About Success vids and any other vids with titles about value, mainstream media, ego, succes, happiness, etc. Ya a lot of his ideas are compilations of other people’s ideas but he credits them most of the time (naming books he’s gotten ideas from and encouraging men to read them and to read more in general) so it’s like a short-cut to getting the useful information out of those books that directly applies to learning game and being a high-value guy. Pirate Tyler’s “The Blueprint” when you have a week to kill and can consume some heavy content (he encourages guys to pirate it don’t worry lol), there’s a LOT of eye-opening shit in there that’s more about society and how overall social psychology (VS just pickup related stuff). Absorb what you can use, these resources are all out there for free for you to check out and hopefully grow from. Your goal should be to avoid going down the path we’re watching Roosh go down…if you’ve spent any time around long-term PUAs and Naturals you know where this road goes and it ain’t pretty. Try to become more enlightened and value-giving than this.

You can create and promote a good product without tearing everyone else down…you don’t have to view everyone else as competition. Even when I AMOG dudes in-field, I generally only do it when they instigate the situation. If they’re cool with me I would WAY rather befriend them and give them good vibes and throw some girls at him and try to get us BOTH laid. Tyler said it best in that vid I linked: “A lot of high-value guys don’t look down on homeless people or people with shitty lives…they wish they could help them. When you go to ethiopia do you look down on them and celebrate their misery? No, you WISH you could help them be as successful as you. Because when you’re successful you want everyone AROUND you to be successful TOO.”

Yes, a lot of people are happy being keyboard jockeys. And no, they’re not going to get anything substantial out of that. But the way to fix that is to educate, encourage and compel them to finally take action and hit the field and start approaching hot girls and interacting with strangers (that’s why I have an entire archive of content and don’t charge a dime for it, I WANT guys to read it, I WANT more competition out there, I would LOVE to walk into a bar and see a bunch of badass high-value dudes who force me to step my own game up)…you don’t dismiss them as a waste of time or try to make them chase your acceptance and validation…that’s literally the exact opposite lesson they should be learning lol All you’ve done is replace pussy on the pedestal with bullying them into placing YOU on the pedestal.

I mean, you can DO that, but that’s more about helping yourself than it is about helping other men as a whole…but then it looks like that’s been Roosh’s motive for a while now. I hope he gets whatever it is he wants out of this, but I don’t think he realizes what it is

@Lone Survivor
Fuckin love Tom Leykis. Skeptical of him getting chicks (I imagine he pays for hookers and is totally cool with it) but he drops massive truth bombs and half the chicks he calls out on his show end up attracted to him for dismissing their bullshit (would they bang him without being paid? It would surprise me…I stress that looks don’t matter but when you enter the 300+lbs category I mean, come on bro take care of your health, that’s when you’re in territory where girls are thinking “do I want these round greasy fat folds dripping on me and a guy who doesn’t have the cardio to bang and can’t lay on top of me or I’ll suffocate” lol). Lots to learn from his straight-talk attitude, but take care of your health so you can enjoy the chicks his attitude attracts and enjoy them for a long time. I’m stepping up my health huge this year because I’m approaching my mid-30s and don’t want to end up like this lol But like I say, the wisdom he drops (esp his emergency plan for if you get a chick preggers (damn ice cold, but built on solid social psychology) and his views on having a purpose/goals independent of women (you need a purpose that isn’t HER and her purpose is YOU)).


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Apparently when RSD gets bad publicity (Julien fiasco) and gets rocked on national TV (Julien’s CNN interview, where he held eye-contact and rehearsed a message for it), it’s all terrible plays and horrible handling of it and reveals them as charlatans and frauds…but when Roosh gets bad publicity and rocked on national TV (Dr Oz), he was AMAZING, staring at the floor and stuttering and looking completely unprepared was SOOPER ALPHA BADASS BRO (since you know, he coined the terms alpha/beta according to his vid (and totally didn’t at all take them from the same PUA material he repackages and resells)).

When RSD (or any PUA company) charges for their tours and products and markets with sensationalist marketing, they’re all scam-artists taking advantage of weak men and selling lies and bullshit and their marketing is scummy and their products are a scam…but when Roosh has charges for his tour and his products and markets with sensationalist marketing (my movement isn’t about focusing on pussy guys, but sign up now for my 3 funky tips that’ll drive her wild with attraction for you!), it’s all “he DESERVES to make money off this, he’s putting so much work out there he deserves to make money, I would gladly hand him my money, I hope he makes a profit off his work!!”

The thing that makes me not take the RVF seriously is that they can have such cognitive dissonance and not be aware of their own double-standards. Like, having a consistent set of beliefs and values across the board is something to strive for. I’m just speaking about my own view on what a man is but to me embracing and perpetuating double-standards and “it’s okay when WE do it” and “it’s okay to do that wrong thing as long as it’s to the OTHER people then it’s justified” and silencing dissent that would point those inconsistencies out is not something to celebrate. One of the first things I look at when I get to know another dude is how consistent his beliefs are and how much he makes exceptions and throws out justifications and rationalizations for going against his own value system. I don’t even care if he has a different value system, as long as he’s consistent within that value system…otherwise what is he? Just a collection of feels making inconsistent decisions in the moment. I don’t think a guy should embrace being like that, I think he should seriously look at “if I do this, but I have a problem when others do it, where is that coming from, why am I inconsistent on this? Why is it okay for me and not them? Should it actually NOT be okay for me? If it should be then should I lighten up on judging THEM for doing it?” As a man looking to become high-value and oak-tree solid, I think you should WANT to find your inconsistencies and judgements and fix them.

I mean, the whole basis RP/MGTOW/Manosphere/PUA/MRA/etc. is: “I had beliefs that the world was one way, and reality didn’t align with my beliefs, and now I want to figure out how to either change reality or change my beliefs so that I can have a more accurate understanding of the world around me.”

It’s sad to me to see a group of men who I know have the intention of improving themselves, act the same as SJWs and Feminists and Blue Pill anti-gamers, rejecting anything that doesn’t fit the group-think, classifying dissent as harrassment/attacks, having emotional double-standards based on feels, and EMBRACING and encouraging it. I wasn’t even annoyed with RVF when they ran around like chickens with their heads cut off celebrating RSD’s demise when the Julien fiasco went down, ranting and raving about how SJWs will be at every venue across the world waiting to picket them and managers won’t let them into their nightclubs anymore and as Roosh said on a podcast RSD only has 2 months to live because of the bad publicity and just bullshit sensationalist nonsense that I expect to read in a Jezebel comment section instead of saying “look I don’t like these guys but let’s look at this situation logically and assess the reality of it without letting emotional feels biases send me off into lala land”.

All I felt was disappointment that a community of dudes working on improving themselves and regularly fighting feminists who use the exact same mentality, can’t see that they’ve become a hugbox of irrationality.

And I know if anyone posted this there it would be instantly dismissed as “THAT YAREALLY GUY IS SUCH A TOOL HES AN RSD SHILL” the same way feminists discredit speakers without logically debating and counter-arguing their content/message…because there’s no room for bad feels or self-analysis in the hugbox.

Very sad to me, all around. Just from an “I wish/expect better from my fellow man” perspective.


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@Lone Survivor
“Man, I am also concerned about Tom’s health, mostly because he is an upfront guy and no one woants to lose a man like him to coronary artery disease or cancer.”

He’s old as balls so I guess well done to him, but man he must have a horseshoe up his ass lol My goal at his age is to still be as physically healthy as I hope to be mentally healthy. If he’s happy, that’s cool, but I view any learning source as “Absorb what is useful, discard what is not.” Bruce Lee style so I love what Tom talks about but I would view someone like Joe Rogan as a more admirable role-model in terms of having Red Pill views while also taking care of yourself.

“We all pay for sex, in one way or another. Some people do cash others do time, mannerism, “game”, PUA, and similar useless junk.”

lol I’m talking about the principle not the actual exchange. Yes, you can simply go buy anything. But there’s something valuable in earning or building it without taking the easy route. It’s important to feel strong and capable and like you can handle your shit in life…a lot of AAA celebs (and hot girls) fall apart and end up self-destructive because they have too much handed to them too easy and it warps their view of their own worth in a bunch of ways (from not valuing things they’ll regret not valuing, to not understanding how to work to achieve a goal, to feeling guilty and undeserving of their success culiminating in private self-loathing/depression and fear of failure, etc.).

“Rollo makes great points, yet he is here to make money. The guy will tell you what you need to hear AS LONG AS HE CAN MAKE MONEY OUT OF IT. Plain and simple. This is why he focuses on game, PUA and other stuff… because if you start paying for sex, that is less money in his pocket.”

Like I said “The reason these people fall into that paradigm is because it’s what they’re obsessed with themselves, so they project that onto everyone else.” It’s inconceivable to a lot of men that PUA wasn’t always the commercialized industry with $2000 bootcamps that it is now. Back when it started (and when I first found it), tens of thousands of guys were sharing this information and comparing notes and encouraging eachother to go out, all free of charge. The cost of a bootcamp was letting the guy teaching you crash on your couch. All we cared about was pressure-testing this information with field experience and compiling it into resources that people could study, and we wanted as many men to have it as possible. That’s why you can google the Tyler Digest or Mystery’s archives or a dozen other solid oldschool PUAs and see their archives of posts, shit-tons of valuable content posted for free because we all said “we’ve found this amazing thing that’s improving our lives and we want to share it with others”.

So the idea that someone like Rollo could genuinely enjoy helping other men (as if his professional life isn’t successful enough and his book sales are what’s keeping a roof over his head) is foreign to this type of person, because it’s not something they themselves would do. So around every corner they’ll see scams and ulterior motives and paranoia in people’s actions that they can’t relate to.

I don’t care if they come around or not, I know they won’t lol I just post this to explain it.

Personally I don’t care if Rollo or Roosh or PUAs or anyone charges. They do a lot of work and I have no problem if they’d like compensation for that. Because this is the Internet…if your product is not valuable enough for the price, people will talk and will know to avoid it. If your product is incredible, then the people who will actually apply it and benefit from it are likely the people who will pay to see it. And if someone doesn’t have the money and REALLY wants to learn bad enough, they’ll pirate it. And if it’s good enough, but you’ve got it locked way behind a paywall where people are REQUIRED to pay you to see it, someone will pirate it and spam it in free forums lol That’s just how it works.

My only issue is that if you are packaging content that you’ve built off the backs of other groups like PUA and selling that, and then have a double-standard that it’s “wrong” if someone else does the same (even with YOUR work like in Roosh’s “I created alpha/beta you all exist because I am your father you owe me!!” video), that’s where I take issue.

As long as your beliefs and values are consistent, it’s all good to me.

“And this is why PUA is such a predatory market, because they know they have nothing to offer to society. They need to gain presence in the market by undermining the competition. Roosh is the most evident proof of it.”

lol I ain’t takin the bait on this one, but I just wanted to point out that from the PUA community side of things: Roosh and the Manosphere don’t exist. None of you. Rollo, Heartiste, Roosh, MRAs, MGTOWs, etc. People aren’t sharing your articles (aside from some entertaining clickbait RoK ones that happen to splash across mainstream news), they aren’t discussing Roosh’s meltdown, there’s no “what do you think of Heartiste’s racist views?” or “AVFM vs MGTOW who do YOU side with??” shit, etc. PUA generally promotes very different values from the Manosphere’s often “us VS them” prejudiced mentalities and discussions. Like I saw some dude say “it wouldn’t surprise me if Tyler reads CH”. I can guarantee that he doesn’t. 99% of the Manosphere is full of too much negativity and anger and low-level thinking for someone who’s actually going out regularly and slaying it to waste their time with (literally the post right below mine that appeared as I’m writing this is a huge “fuck you bro, get a grip, fuck this fuck that” flamewar lol). I’m here because I hope to balance the negativity out a bit with my posts and clear up misconceptions about PUA since the default is to do like Roosh does and slag on PUA and spread misinformation about what it is and what it teaches (my first post ever was Heartiste slagging on a BradP PUA routine and I explained how his analysis of it was wrong and the principles behind it). I literally just hit CTRL+F on long comment discussions to look for “pua” (or “yareally” lol) to see what bullshit misrepresentation someone is posting THAT day about PUA so I can jump in and clarify what PUAs actually think/do/teach. Plus it’s fun to see different perspectives and figure out how they fit into my understanding of the world and whether I need to question my views.

My point is that PUAs wouldn’t consider Roosh a PUA. Roosh probably wouldn’t consider himself a PUA either. The only people who consider Roosh a PUA is a person who doesn’t really understand PUA and lumps him in like the mass media lumped Eliot Rogers in because they can’t be arsed to look into it. The same type of person is usually the “all PUAs are scam artists” types too lol It’s a huge time saver to lump people you hate together when you hate a lot of people.

Like this lol: “Roosh, PUA, RSD, Mystery, Neil Strauss, they are all the same pile of smelling shit. And anyone who endorses that is as shitty as them.”

If I had any ego invested in this, I’d get all up in arms over this kind of thing. But I’m all enlightened ‘n shit. ;) lol

“The best thing a man can do is focus in his goal in life, improving profesionally, personally, physically, spiritually, and make money.”

I agree with this though. Women shouldn’t be your only goal. BUT, if you don’t know how to get them, you should put in a period of hyperfocus where getting laid IS your goal. It’s important to get that handled. I know a lot of rich good-looking dudes who aren’t happy that the only way they can get/keep a girl around is by paying them. If PUA was just about getting sex, we would just give guys a list of brothels and save them years of going out and working on themselves.

As for whether PUA works or not, I don’t have to defend it, the field does that for me and the guys who’s lives have improved by studying this knowledge and taking the recommended action can speak for themselves lol


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@Lone Survivor
lol if you don’t mind her banging other dudes behind your back because you figure the money will keep her faithful, or her potentially bailing on you down the road (definitely if you go through financial troubles), or in the case of hookers her, you know, being a hooker taking a dozen cocks a day, like that’s cool, you do your thing. And guys with your value system who admire what you’re saying can follow your lead. Long as they’re happy with their results, it’s all good to me.

But some men are looking for more than just sex, and I can’t see it being worth the effort to explain to you what else a man gets and learns about himself and the world from taking up the game and learning to excel in social situations that are out of his comfort zone because you’re clearly set in your beliefs.

Anyone who thinks PUA is just about getting pussy doesn’t really understand it.


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@Glenn
It’s not that prostitution is wrong, especially these days where like you say it’s a lot more common. I’ve banged a few girls with sugar daddies.

But when you take a guy who is so internally fucked up that he’s way behind on his social skills, and then you give him easy access to sex, he’s not going to work on himself. Because why would he, he got the goal he wanted? Most of us start out just wanting to get laid…it’s once we go out and socialize and apply game that we realize all the other benefits we’re getting out of it and our goals become wider than just getting laid. If you take a guy like that and just give him easy sex, he’s happy in the short-term but he’s not going to fix the rest of himself since the incentive is removed and like, how do you think that’s going to pan out for him when he’s in his 30s, 40s, 50s?

The journey is important. Going down to that coffee shop is important. You could just have a coffee maker in your home and use that. But the process is what builds the value in your life. It’s not a moral argument, it’s just what’s going to benefit a socially awkward dude long-term and what’s going to stunt his growth.

@Lone Survivor
“It is the other way around… maybe you don’t understand what PUA is about. Check Neil Strauss book, it has nothing to do with developing a solid career, or pushing yourself to the limit in all aspects of your life. It is aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall about pussy. That is what PUA is about. Even Neil Strauss makes money out of that.”

…well you’ve certainly got MY number. I really do need to do my research into this PUA community. Neil Strauss’ book, you say? I THINK I’ve heard of it. Thanks for the informative advice!

“HA! this is a good point. The thing is that in such scenarios “game” is irrelevant, you simply have to go with the flow.”

Game is simply backwards engineering natural steps that happen in social interaction. You don’t have to think about it, you can just “go with the flow”, but you are executing concepts like social proof and pre-selection whether you intend to or not.

Whether you think about the electricity flowing to the lightbulb and the filament heating up to produce light or just think “I’M FLIPPIN THE LIGHT ON!”, it doesn’t change that when you flip that light switch electricity flows to the lightbulb and heats up the filament.

@Rollo
“TRP evolved because it had no centralization, that’s the fucking point. No moderation, open discourse.”

Yup. And part of why I post here is that you let people openly discuss (getting frustrated with CH’s auto-mod lately lol), and that your writing is openly accepting of people in a “win win” mentality VS a hostile “us VS them” one…like the RVF forum is rallying up as if they’re going to war. Complete LARP’ing like it’s Braveheart.

All the early PUA community was in the early days before commercialization was the TRP. An open forum of discussion as we all went out and sarged and reported back and analyzed our findings and compared notes. Hell Tyler edited The Mystery Method book for Mystery (granted it may have been so he could STEAL ALL HIS IDEAS AND MAKE MILLIONS lol). But there’s tons of archives of dudes just helping other dudes for the sake of bettering everyone’s understanding of what’s going on.

What Roosh is trying to do is say “here’s what I want the world to be like, you all need to either follow me or fuck off”. PUA/TRP/etc. is about “let’s see what the world is like and figure out how to excel in it”. All men want is the truth, they don’t need a Big Daddy to tell them what to think and believe…unless they’re RVF members. You can tell because they’re all ranting on his forum about what a jerk Rollo and the non-believers of the wonders of Roosh are instead of, you know, asking Rollo or having a discussion with the TRP’ers. First sign of a hugbox is limiting dissusion. It’s just a huge emotional witch-hunt. My fav comments are the ones that go “Those TRP faggots are a bunch of emotional retards!!!!!!1″ in a highly emotional way. I’d think it was trolling if I didn’t know better lol

Roosh is tanking his Twitter right now. I just don’t get the logic. Even if, like it’s retarded but even IF you wanted to start your own movement…why would you start it by making assosciating with you complete poison?? Is anyone going to want to proudly use their real name and associate with a guy who’s behaving like this? Is anyone with any kind of power going to want to help Roosh out and dirty their entire business/reputation by association??


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Followers: 13.5k

View of the “mainstream media” video covering your new ideology that you threw everyone who’s never had a problem with you under the bus for: 47k

Retweets of support from your 13.5k followers and 47k viewers for this new ideology: …….8.

The drama that is livening up my work day?: fucking PRICELESS lol


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“However, PUA advice is poisonous, because it pushes you to undertake a lot of frustration, rejection and pain that you could avoid”

…well we all know avoiding frustration, rejection and pain is the way to grow into being solid as a man. Challenge yourself? pffft, nahhhh, sounds like poison to me! I read on Jezebel that if anything is difficult then it’s oppressive and should be avoided.

“which are NOT nightclubs, bars, pubs as PUAs say”

Agreed, that’s why we say do daygame in coffee shops and grocery stores and anywhere you like too. The only reason we recommend nightlife venus is that there are a lot of hot girls packed into one place who won’t remember you if you fuck up and embarrass yourself, VS doing daygame where you may have to walk around for a while to find hot girls worth macking or trying to learn game on your close social circles or work/school environment where your mistakes will follow you.

I’m not trying to convince you, just clearing up the bullshit you’re writing for the lurkers lol


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@4ch9okm3ah
““You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.” This is the prompt I just received upon attempting to post on @Rollo’s site. Don’t think this site isn’t censored.”

Maybe there’s a retard filter.


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lol seeing Rollo drop the word “fucktard” is basically the highlight of this whole thing. :D I can’t see anyone having an issue with deleting/banning people who’s contribution is just “Punks. You’re all punks!!!”, everyone knows you don’t censor shit worth discussing, but it’s your forum and your decisions. Trolls’ll get bored sooner or later lol

@Rollo
“He needs any publicity. Without it he fade into obscurity. That’s what he fears, his lifestyle for the last 10 years has been domain dependent on his book sales. What else does he do for money?”

Ya, I sensed pangs of jealousy in the Julien fiasco. Roosh has been notorious but never on that level and in the end, like I predicted and his cult wouldn’t listen to, RSD cashed in huge off that publicity. Maybe Dr Oz was his attempt to chase that kind of exposure. That would explain why the Alex Jones thing is such a feather in his cap too…I mean, some dude’s amateur-looking YouTube show is “mainstream media” now?? No offense to Alex Jones, I don’t watch TV so maybe his show airs on some popular network but to me it looks like just another YouTube blogger show but Roosh is treating it like Obama just endorsed him because he’s so desperate for approval right now lol

The prob is Roosh let the number of views and his number of followers blind him. I think he approached this thinking 45k viewers and 13.5k followers and a million hits on RoK a month mean he has a huge army of supporters. But that 8 retweets should be the eye-opener to how many guys will ACTUALLY publically support him. And the guys RT’ing are like, I’m trying to avoid critiquing individual people but let’s just say there are a number of RVF guys who are having a LOT of fun dressing up LARP’ing that they’re alpha male badasses and somehow don’t seem to be able to tell that to anyone with any kind of normal grasp on what normal people are like look at them as cartoon characters, not role models, and are tuning in for the surreal “wtf am I watching is this guy for real?? Is this a parody??” factor.

One of the tenants of his new movement should be that you have to Retweet your leader’s manifesto lol

“He can’t come home. Imagine Roosh filling out a resume. There is no job for him beyond the manosphere so he must reshape it to accommodate his necessities.”

Ya, everyone google’s people’s names when they apply and his name and pic is fully associated with garbage regardless of what he actually said or what his actual views are, he attacked the mainstream so now he’s locked in. All the PUA coaches have the same situation…that’s why they’re still running bootcamps at 40+ or they have to transition to something similar and take their audience with them (like going into general self-help, and taking all their followers from PUA along for the ride). The smart ones plan an escape route. Style’s a writer, he doesn’t have to survive off teaching game. David DeAngelo has a jillion business ventures and is probably rich as fuck. Tim from RSD is a DJ and trying the self-help thing. Brad from RSD is trying the self-help thing. Tyler plans to, but I think his weird vibe will put normal people off (the same way I’m making fun of some of the RVF members lol). If you don’t plan some kind of escape route, you either get out before your reputation follows you too bad (like some of the lesser known coaches in RSD who stay out of the spotlight) or you stay totally anonymous and avoid having your pic floating around out there (I would have no idea if I met Rollo or CH in real life).

Roosh didn’t do any of that, he went full ahead with the “I’m going to put my name and face out there” thing that Feminists/SJWs want the Manosphere to do, and this is where it fucks him over. Unless he’s gonna write Bang guides in his 60s lol

In a way Roosh is kind of an example of the middle of the road. He never grew big enough to be support himself long-term and he never stayed small enough to not get attention. He got a ton of attention without a long-term stability plan and now he’s kind of fucked on either side.

@Jeremy
“The best Roosh can do is a personality cult, similar to Stefan Molyneaux.”

Ya, that seems to be the route he’s going. The problem is when he goes and burns all his bridges, like, he’s locking down his audience. No one in the PUA community is going to look at his spaz out and give him any kind of credit. No MRAs are going to join him, no MGTOW are going to be swayed by his views…no one except the LARP’ing alpha roleplayer guys are going to associate their real name with his ideology, the 8 retweets should be blatant evidence of that. No one is RT’ing it because no one wants to look like they support his weird religious anti-gay cult thing…he’s literally locked his potential audience down to “my small group of fans on RVF”. I don’t think that’s a very solid long-term strategy lol

These guys on the forum are on about “THINGS NEED TO CHANGE! WE CANT HAVE KIDS LIKE THIS!” but it’s like what’s your solution, to just be associated with a group of dudes no one wants to admit they know or support? How is that going to change ANYTHING? Are women going to look at these guys and go “wow, these dudes are SO high value we’d better stop fucking other guys to try to land one of them! This one hates gay and fat people!! Sign me up!!” lol Like, what are they expecting to happen?

“Those cults aren’t as profitable as you might believe. L.Ron did it right, you have to have the threat of being kicked out for not contributing, and ridiculous promises of superhuman ability. Those cults are so profitable they can afford gigantic legal times because you essentially grow an army of slaves to contribute to your cause.”

…well, I’d say he’s off to an excellent start. Some quotes from the RVF thread:

“If you don’t see how men’s rights is not inherently toxic, you just aren’t trying hard enough.”

“Neomasculinity is about being awesome, and treating the natural slaves like the slaves that they are, rather than begging for their approval because we need more upvotes.”

“Yes, I’m more interested in being part of the overarching group called ‘winning’.”

“Wow, when did you get so confused? (…) Furthermore, being masculine means hierarchy. And hierarchy means rules, and conformity to those rules. You have no idea what masculinity is.”

“Those who want truth, will find it; a strong philosophy is the cure. The rest are the chaff which, by their own choosing, will be separated from the wheat.”

…you were saying about a cult that promises superhuman ability and kicks people out for not toeing the line? lol

“At this point in time, attacks on Roosh’s ego/message are directly threatening to his income from his perspective. Ironically this will only convince him of his correctness in his position.”

Agreed. I was really expecting some self-reflection and backtracking when he saw the horrible response and his complete lack of support from anyone who isn’t already a long-term RVF member (again, 8 RTs…from 13.5k followers. There are people posting pics of their lunch with 500 followers that get more RTs than that…that should be a HUGE warning sign that either you don’t have the support you thought you did or the support you have isn’t as willing to go public with it as you thought they were).

But instead he just hardcore double-downed and is attacking people on Twitter and in YouTube comments in a perpetual victim mindset, again right out of the Feminist/SJW playbook.

@Sun Wukong
“I’m always suspicious when any leader of any community starts creating an Us vs. Them situation. Instant suspicion generator for me.”

Yup.

Attacking all the other communities is one way to get exposure, and that’s cool if you have a good message and a lot of cred…but like, someone linked the Alex Jones vid on RSD’s forum. I think Jeffy put it best:

“Oh perfect, I needed a strong dose of Butthurt Pussy Faggotry to help start the day.”

That’s how other people who aren’t RVF forum members view Roosh and his stuff. Even the TRP thread is like “who cares?” and they’ve stopped talking about him. He’s not even significant enough to give outraged exposure to (aside from this thread and this is 6 pages into the comments so it isn’t gonna’ generate any exposure lol). Like I hope Rollo doesn’t even BOTHER writing an article about this, or if he does it’s anonymous and doesn’t give any exposure to it. The guys in his thread are talking about Rollo “attacking” (with valid criticism lol) Roosh to get exposure from the “big dog” with no self-awareness to realize that Roosh is doing the exact same thing lol

To win over anyone from the PUA communities, if Roosh released a bunch of slick in-field footage or something, he might be able to get some PUAs to give him the time of day but to PUAs Roosh comes off as just a slow-talking uncharismatic borderline autistic whiner living in quiet sad little indie film apartments, complaining about everything wrong with the world (and specifically the west) and his followers come off like cartoon characters mentally masturbating that they’re James Bond. That’s not me trying to be mean, that’s how if I showed their content to ANYONE in real life, in a bar or on the street, would react. The only way you could NOT know that is if you don’t have any friends outside of other weird James Bond wanna be cartoon characters.

The reason no one outside of RVF’s forum gives their view credit is that for every RVF member who cries about how cities like DC and Toronto are so horrible and the girls are impossible to get and all feminist bitches and all american girls are shallow shitty and bitchy entitled bla bla, there are like a dozen PUAs who’ve sarged that same city and had ZERO problem. And when they talk about oh you don’t understand girls in europe and asian etc. are DIFFERENT man they would never put out the first night they’re all unicorns you just don’t understand man, the RVF’ers nod in agreement. Meanwhile PUAs are running bootcamps in all those locations and picking up girls with no problem just like over here.

Like, to really truly buy into the RVF mentalities you have ignore a LOT of blatant evidence. Not just RSD but Simple Pickup, Cupid Shmupid and his buddy are in Toronto, there are tons of Field Reports from DC/TO/LA/NYC/etc. like you have to go out of your way to discredit and ignore all of that. And the easiest way to do that is to demonize all the other companies and make up rationalizations for any videos, success stories from students or PUA lairs in those areas, etc. so that none of your cult will check them out, and then ideally be a guy who doesn’t actually go out and sarge.

When you tell me the girls in DC are impossible to get and they’re all stuck up feminists, and then I see pics of the dudes who were approaching them and stories of them being wasted and getting thrown out of bars and being general nuiscances and they have videos of them on YouTube where they look like wannabe bond villians etc. it’s like, man, it’s not the women, it’s YOU. And I wonder how can you guys not SEE that?? But they’re all encouraging eachother’s delusions like Jezzies telling eachother “you’re gorgeous you look so VIVACIOUS!!!” when someone posts their 300lbs pic and they title pics of their fatty conventions as “HOT BABES ON THE PROWL LOLOL!!!” RVF is literally the male equivalent of that, that’s not even me talking shit, anyone can google the members and see for themselves.

This whole thing is fascinating to watch, from a social psychology perspective…like seeing someone trying to form a cult and in complete denial about how bad it’s going and the unquestionable loyalty from the cult members against all evidence and the twisting of words and events and trying to demonize anyone who criticizes them, the exact same way Feminists/SJWs do…it’s fascinating as FUCK to a psychology junkie like me. But man is it disappointing to see someone go down this path and go from being a decent example to a horrible warning.

@insanitybytes22
I thought chicks were supposed to be intuitive. Rollo is trying to very politely tell you nobody here is your boyfriend and you’re not smokin hot despite what the chodes orbiting you in real life have told you lol so none of us give a shit what you think about what men should be or do.

@Lone Survivor
“no man here has been able to prove me wrong, the only guy who made valid points was Glenn”

Being too dumb to understand what people have been saying to you doesn’t make them unable to prove you wrong. I mean, technically it does, but that’s not a victory to celebrate lol

“Keep trying, though.”

I can’t see that being worth anyone’s time and I think most people who’ve read your comments would agree.


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Whoops instead of “to realize that Roosh is doing the exact same thing lol” that should read “to realize that Roosh is using the exact tactic they’re trying to imply Rollo is using”, because anyone with any common sense knows Rollo isn’t attacking Roosh to spread his brand.

From what I’ve seen it looks to me like Rollo is perfectly content with building his audience through positive word of mouth and guys discovering it when they go looking for answers, I doubt Rollo has a controversial Dr Oz Jerry Springer interview lined up lol That’s the difference between someone who’s out to actually help men and someone who’s out to help themselves.


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Like come on, this was just posted on RVF:

“It is unfortunate overall. As men, we are supposed to work together to overcome our foes. Instead inner division has taken place and we are now a scattered ‘sphere’. Hopefully Neomasculinity will be the banner of the new era of men. Roosh, know that we stand with you.”

Who talks like that??? And the guy’s forum avatar pic is a pic of James Bond lol


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One guy on RVF writes “Culture now encouraging ‘freezing’ our thoughts at a particular time so we have no personal growth. Cougars! 50 is the new 30! Stay young forever. 20-something’s watching ‘Adventure Time’ and going watching kid’s cartoons filled with snarky, pop culture references. 40 year old men watching movies about giant robots and superhero team ups.”

And another guy agrees “The Internet Reviewers who keep making videos snarking about media from their childhood well into their 30s.”

…his last YouTube vid is him reacting to the Star Wars trailer.

“40 year olds who are listless and irresponsible, waiting for life to be handed to them on a silver platter. Burned-out PUAs speaking pseudo-gangster club smack when they should have grown out of it. Boys looking for their mommies. **Pop culture addicts.**”

“Finding men of the calibre this forum attracts in the real world is extremely difficult.”

RVF thread titles:

“The Walking Dead – TV show and video game”
“Anyone watching the TV show “Arrow”? (Based on the DC comics hero “Green Arrow”)”
“New Mad Max officially ruined by mangina writer/director ”
“Why “The Dark Knight Rises” is the most redpill movie of this generation”
“Game of Thrones is getting boring”
“80s thread, best of the 80s”

I just want to re-stress that:

“20-something’s watching ‘Adventure Time’ and going watching kid’s cartoons filled with snarky, pop culture references. 40 year old men watching movies about giant robots and superhero team ups”

“Internet Reviewers who keep making videos snarking about media from their childhood”

Thread title: “80s thread, best of the 80s”


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@Glenn
“I’m beginning to see how much I kid myself about how serious I am about my own goals. It’s like I’m living on the faded glory of once being very effective but I give myself excuses for bad results in my life these days.”

That just means you’re totally normal and just like everybody else in the world because everyone does exactly the same thing.

…but don’t worry, you can be better. Get sanding. ;)


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@Hobbes
“His need to burn others is coming from more than just money. That video I finally watched shows a guy who is deeply unhappy, most likely really depressed and, I get the impression, of someone who has lots of regrets.
My instinct tells me this guy regrets where his choices have landed him and needs to project the blame for it onto others.”

This was my read too, and why I say I hope he has some actual close buddies who can reign him in but I don’t think he does. I don’t think he’d get suicidal or anything but his actions aren’t that of a guy who’s happy with how his life has turned out.

A lot of people will blame it on “oh it’s because he’s a player and his mistake was learning game and living that lifestyle” but it’s not, I’ve met players in their 30s who are perfectly happy (including myself), because we’ve worked on our inner game and don’t view the world through this weird hostile angry “all women are garbage, homosexuals need to be excluded, all these MGTOWs and MRAs are losers” lens.

That shit is fine when you’re in your 20s and you’re still young and dumb, but in your 30s you have to be looking at cultivating a quality lifestyle and a healthy mindset.

I mean where does Roosh’s vision lead to at say 45yo? I know my vision for my life isn’t for everyone but I know exactly what I’ll be doing, I’ll have a harem of pleasant cool hotties on the go, my career/finances on track, my health in order, and if I decide I want to settle I’ll pick my favorite from the group and let her be my girlfriend and settle down with her.

But I LIKE women lol and I accept that there’s no such thing as a unicorn so I don’t get bitter and frustrated that women don’t live up to unicorn potential because I know that’s unrealistic. PlusI like myself and my lifestyle and I’m open to the possibility that my view of what I want in a few years may change and I may want to settle and thankfully MRAs/MGTOWs have opened my eyes to why legal marriage is insane so if I decide to settle it’ll be outside the law. But like, this is all planned in my head, I have a vision for where I want to end up and day to day I walk around with a smile on my face.

Roosh is pretty clearly unhappy/jaded with his lifestyle right now which is why Rollo’s “Sounds like you’re finally looking for a relationship Roosh” comment was a dead-on read. Unfortunately settling down goes against everything he’s rallied against for ages so the only way to not come off as a complete hypocrite is to try to change everyone’s view.

And the thing is I don’t think he’s even looking for a relationship, he’s just not finding that unicorn he still wishes existed and it’s got him frustrated and he’s looking for SOME kind of external change that’ll fix him. Religion, a bigger following, a unicorn wife, ANYTHING that’ll make him happy.

But happiness is internal. You have to fix your mindsets and your view of the world around you to be happy. Unfortunately, creating an ideological movement based around “us VS them” and anger and frustration and exclusion can’t really lead to mindsets that let you be happy.

Really he needs to watch some RSD vids about the topic lol

And personally if Roosh was like “actually you know what that was pretty out there of me, it’s cool if you guys do your thing I’m gonna try my shit out here” I would be like good on him I hope it works out and he ends up happy. Life is too short for grudges and really he hasn’t done anything to anyone except himself.


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@The Diplomat
“I’ve been holding back so far, but I just want to throw you some respect and gratitude for your wise insights, positive disposition, humor, good advice, and patience in helping everybody out here.”

Glad to have helped. Pay it forward and help spread an ideology that will do a lot more good for men than neomasculinity will. :)


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@Blaximus
“There was a lot of interesting reading there, but there was also a metric shitload of racist bullshit in the articles and the comment section.”

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Part of why the PUA community doesn’t have the weird anti-gay & racist vibe that the Manosphere has way too much of (and a big part of why I like Rollo’s site is that his writing doesn’t have any of that stuff in it, this is a site I can actually (and HAVE actually) linked to friends), is that the primary rule of PUA is “go out”.

When you actively and regularly go out and socialize with strangers (aka sarging), you just by sheer numbers of hours interacting with people and variety of situations you’ll find yourself in, end up meeting enough people of all races and sexualities and classes and backgrounds and walks of life and personality types and appearances and professions (or lack thereof) and whatever other feature you can be “against” and you realize that they’re just like YOUR “type” that YOU are: 10% of their “type” are complete garbage, 10% of them are just generally shitty people, and 80% of them are pretty cool decent people just like you. Hell, half the other PUAs you’ll meet and grow and bond with will be dudes of other races and backgrounds (probably not gay dudes lol)

You’ll end up sharing moments and befriending people from these groups and you might tell yourself “ok well I met the ONE good one out of that lot, but the rest are garbage”. And then you keep going out to sarge and you meet another one. And another one. And maybe you meet some assholes that are everything you ever thought about that type of person. But the first person to check if you’re okay after that encounter is someone from their “type”. And slowly but surely, if you held those beliefs when you started out, but you sarge enough, you end up coming to the conclusion that maybe you had some ignorant views and maybe all that anger and hostility you were holding onto wasn’t that productive.

A big part of how I can tell how much a guy goes out and actually sarges is by his views on other races and homosexuality etc. You won’t find threads about “black people are 27.3% dumber than white people” or “should gays be allowed in our movement” etc. on PUA forums. You may find people who still hold some ignorant views, but generally those guys are the newbies.

You can’t hate people if you go out and sarge enough. There are too many awesome good people out there…they might not be perfect, but nobody is. Appreciate them for their good qualities and if they don’t have good qualities, walk away and don’t spend time around them. It’s simple.

@Jeremy
“you’re reading it for nuggets of truth that can be found with far less effort than would take outside of the manosphere.”

This. That’s why when people say “Oh PUA is a cult of people who just scam their students with bullshit that doesn’t work”, it falls flat. We don’t study PUA because we worship Tyler or Mystery or Style or anything (although there IS a lot of idol worship now that it’s gone super mainstream lol even the instructors are like “stop, don’t worship me I’m just some dude, you can do exactly what I’m doing if you just go out and apply yourself”). We study PUA because it answered a shitload of questions, whether the information came from some dude in a fuzzy hat or some homeless virgin or some rockstar with thousands of lays under his belt…it doesn’t matter. All that matters to us is “when I go out and interact with the world around me, this stuff makes those interactions make sense”.

@redlight
“As for RSD, I don’t see much for Julien beyond PUA.”

Ya, I think he figured that out when the whole world wanted to kill him lol That was the wake-up call for him. These instructors can often end up in pickup bubbles where they kind of forget how the rest of the world works because they aren’t around it much. They aren’t reading Jezebel or MRA forums etc. and the guys they interact with are pickup guys and they focus on pickup related topics, and the girls they interact with they interact with them on a sexual level, they aren’t discussing feminism and shit. When I see RVF guys complain about feminists at bars it’s like, what are you even talking about? Are you talking to women about feminism? Why are you doing that lol They’re girls, you’re in a fun environment, just have a good time you weird bitter fuck.

Then the bubble pops like this and it’s like “oh, right there’s the rest of the real world out there and they aren’t big fans of what we’re teaching”.

Tyler’s a smart dude, he’s been planning his exit routes for a while. He’s heavily networked and can start pretty much any business venture he wants with no problems financially plus he brings on younger instructors to keep the business going once he leaves, but if he tries to go into self-help his awkward mannerisms are going to put off a lot of normal people who don’t know how much more awkward he was when he started out lol People listen to Tony Robbins because he seems like a cool admirable dude you can get behind and admire, but Tyler is still a bit weird and I’m not sure if he’s too in a bubble to tell…he’ll have a lot of carryover audience from PUA though (that will possibly be ALL of his audience, much like Roosh and his RVF followers, except that Tyler has like a jillion more lol).


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@Sun Wukong
“I honestly can’t figure out how anyone makes it in modern American life without meeting enough different people to realize most bigotry is pretty fucking stupid. It takes a willful decision and action to go that route.”

Well you could always create a hugbox of like-minded people so you never have to leave your comfort zone and risk having your ignorant world views shattered:

“Roosh, all things post-schism considered, I would support a new website or forum platform. (…) At the end of the day, RVF is a game forum and ROK is a general red pill website. Neomasculinity can only differentiate itself from other spheres through exclusivity. ”

Self-awareness and self-analysis come from interacting with the world and different viewpoints and situations outside your comfort zone that force you to challenge your own beliefs and see the flaws and holes in them.

Ain’t no high-value men brewing inside a hugbox. Just isn’t possible.


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@Hobbes
“I guess what I’m trying to say is that there appears to be different types of alphas and different types of betas, and that a lot of guys need to be honest with themselves- is the answer really being able to get laid, or is what you seek to be loved?. because game can teach the first, but I don’t think it can teach the latter.”

Can’t agree with this. I was a virgin till 24, so I was one of the guys with no frame of reference etc. Literally the only way I got any female attention was through learning game so all my LTRs and long-term casual FBs (and the ones that have fallen in love with me and that I’ve loved too) have been through game.

The difference is that I didn’t approach game with an “us VS them” mentality. The oldschool PUA community taught stuff like “leave her better than you found her” and try to create win/win situations and actually LIKE the girl. But there are the guys who just want to learn game to “get back at” girls for rejecting them etc. I think those are the guys who end up on the Roosh path. Tyler was an angry bitter fuck who HATED women and wanted to use PUA to get revenge on them when he started out, but over the years he mellowed out and now he loves them and you can see it just in the way he talks about women in general, his viewpoint has 180’ed completely.

Now if you make an identity out of being a part of a forum where everyone just bitches all day about how shitty American women are and how they don’t deserve you and they’re all cunt whore lizard bitches…I mean, how do you expect to NOT end up jaded and cynical about pickup when you get to where Roosh is? That’s literally what you’ve based your entire identity off lol Like what would you expect?

That’s why I put a lot of emphasis on LIKING women and seeing the game as fun and seeing shit-tests as silly instinctive things women do and chances to build attraction instead of these horrible frustrating hurdles those “bitches” throw at men because they’re entitled cunts who don’t know what’s good for them etc. Like a guy should be going out looking FORWARD to sarging and meeting new women and having fun playing the cat & mouse game. If he’s not, he’s approaching it wrong and has a lot of internal shit to work on.

I think what I’m saying with regards to your point, because you’re not totally off that there’s different types of dudes, is that game itself is just a tool. It’s a knife. You can use it to make a peanut butter sandwich to give to your friends or you can use it to stab someone…the knife itself doesn’t determine which way you’ll go (and in the PUA community we try to encourage men to go the peanut butter sandwich route with our “leave them better than you found them” and “give value to others” teaching). Some people choose to use that knife for bad and it’ll take them to a shitty place no doubt about it. But picking up the knife itself or who you were before you found the knife doesn’t determine how you’ll use it…that comes down to your own mindsets and the teaching you had and the community that helped build your beliefs about how to use that knife.

“I would posit that not only do Alphas get the hot sweaty monkey sex, they get the truest version of female love that women are capable of giving.”

I agree with this. I’ve banged a number of girls who would happily leave their significant other (sometimes a boyfriend sometimes a husband etc.) if I told them I wanted to date them long-term (I try to prevent them catching feelings for me by not seeing them too frequently and not doing date-like things and stressing that I’m just some bar bum etc. to lower my value to “just good for sex”). And the stuff we do in the bedroom is stuff that they’ll never do with their husband. And they’ll tell me exactly how they REALLY feel about their man and like, shit, I have heard some stuff that could make me VERY fuckin’ jaded lol

The point is though, that I’m seeing the REAL side of them. I know things about them (not just about sex but about other stuff, I like to cuddle and chat after sex) that even their close friends and family don’t know about them and would never suspect about them because they have to put on a facade to avoid social judgement.

The reason they’ll open up to me like this is because they know I won’t judge them at all…as a result I’ve heard some seriously fucked up shit lol

Thing is the more scared you are to lose someone the less honest you are with them, which is kind of fucked up but it’s human nature. Like most guys wouldn’t want their wife to look thru their Internet History lol…so does she really KNOW you or does she know the image you’re putting on for her? Same with the genders reversed, a girl will tell me to choke her in bed and call her fucked up names because she knows I won’t judge her and even if I did she can just not see me again no big deal. But most of the time she won’t tell her husband to do that stuff to her because if he got weirded out and judged her for it it would fuck their relationship up and may ruin her locked-down provider. So he’s getting the sex that she knows he approves of, but sneaking out to have the sex she really wants with guys like me. Her guy is just getting the facade of her.

The surreal part is that I think a lot of these girls really DO love their man. He just doesn’t or can’t provide certain things she craves (like good sex), so she seeks that elsewhere. She doesn’t want to leave him and doesn’t think he’s some loser, he’s just not attractive to her in that lustful sexual way or they turned out not to be compatible and she doesn’t want to break it off because 90% of the relationship is fantastic, but that 10% is an itch that she knows a guy like me can scratch. Like she WISHES her man would have that last 10%, if he suddenly did have it she would be 100000% faithful to him. Sometimes that last 10% is something he can work on, sometimes it’s just bad luck of the draw that he can’t do anything about.

It’s a pretty complicated dynamic but I always find it interesting to learn about these parts of human nature. Often I feel bad for them, but sometimes it’s the dude’s fault like he’s got too judgemental an attitude or refuses to learn to bang better etc. I actually help these girls when I can, they vent about WHY they’re fucking me and I give them some advice on how to get their husband to loosen up and fuck better or scold them for playing too many games with him and give them the male red pill perspective on their relationship etc. and try to help get them back on track.

Thing is it can be very hard for a guy to fix this stuff. Because to even know that he’s doing something wrong or to acknowledge it he has to accept that he’s not as good with women or at sex as he thought, and like, that stings to a dude. And girls avoid uncomfortable feels, so a lot of times as crazy as it sounds a girl would rather cheat on the guy than have an honest conversation about him that might hurt his feelings. It makes sense in girl-logic but as a dude it’s like insert the confused jackie chan meme here lol

Sometimes giving them advice works sometimes it doesn’t or they don’t even bother trying because they’re happy enough with their situation to not want to risk rocking the boat, but it’s pretty cool when it works. Ideally I hope NOT to see a taken chick again ’cause it means she worked her shit out with her man and I’m happy for ’em, cause I’ll have other girls so I’ll be fine. And as far as guys your girl cheats on you with, I’m a pretty good guy to cheat with ’cause I’ll try to get her to fix her shit with you instead of telling her to leave you lol

There’s not a lot of info about this topic out there that I’m aware of lol but I like to talk about this stuff during my cuddle talk and I’ve seen some interesting patterns/behaviors that I think are noteworthy…but realistically most of the guys who bang taken girls don’t care that much about the psychology behind WHY she’s banging them and most of the guys who don’t bang taken girls are too offended by the notion of it to want to hear this lol So I guess I’m just writing this out for future lurkers of my archives. :D

@Blaximus
“If a guy becomes RP in order to get laid, he kind of chose a path that may hinder him in finding ” love “.”

Can’t agree with this. Most guys have a verrrrry bullshit notion of what love is. They don’t even know what they’re REALLY attracted to because they haven’t banged many girls. They know what the idealized version of a girl that they picture themselves with is, but they don’t REALLY know like “huh, I always thought this personality trait would be a turn-off but it turns out I kind of like it and get bored of girls who DON’T have it…who knew??” You learn a lot about yourself when you hook up with a bunch of girls. A guy shouldn’t get into a deep LTR till he’s been with a handful of girls and knows exactly what he REALLY needs long-term. That can take a while to figure out.

Love is easy. Girls will fall in love very easy. But it’s also conditional. I’d say unconditional love from a woman is a myth. It would be very rare to see a hot high-SMV girl who won’t leave a guy who leaves his job and sits around on the couch all day getting fat and watching TV and having no goals in life etc. I want to say the exception is between a mother and her kids but these days I don’t even know about that one there’s a lot of entitlement and fucked up shit going on with single moms…not all of them but for some of them it’s like a kid is just another new purse or pet dog.

I also think the notion of loving someone meaning you’re 100% fully committed to only them forever is kind of silly. You don’t have just one male friend who provides everything you ever need in a friendship, you have a variety of bros with different assets and traits that you get value from and they all get value from you in different ways. You don’t love your mom any less just because you love your dad, you don’t love your son any less just because you have a daughter. You don’t make a new friend and like your old friends less…so why is it when we talk about LTRs it’s “you can only love one person otherwise you are a monster and they can only love you otherwise they’re a shitty person”. That’s just Disney conditioning bullshit.

But hell, who knows, I just try to make the best of what I’m dealt lol


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@Hobbes
“And I am not unique, I know more than a few beta guys who have had real love from women.”

I don’t want to crush your soul and I know you’ll keep thinking that your experience is different, but most of the guys who’s girls my buddies and I have hooked up with would describe their relationships the same way. Guys who haven’t had a lot of experience being that “other guy” who’s fingering her while she’s talking to her boyfriend on the phone talking about how much she loves him, sometimes have a hard time understanding that there might not be a difference between the “true love” they think they have and the same “love” everyone else has.

Maybe you’ve found some glitch in the red pill and hundreds of thousands of men are all just missing a huge blind spot that you’ve been the fortunate one to experience…or maybe you haven’t fully swallowed the red pill and seen the full matrix yet.

You sound like a nice dude, and I’m sure your girls love you and are genuinely sweet girls, but a lot of these girls loved their man too. There’s no special “TRUE *REAL* love”, but your natural instinct will be to brush everyone who tells you there’s no such thing aside as someone who just hasn’t experienced it, know what I mean? “You guys don’t understand, this one is DIFFERENT…” is usually the sign of someone who’s got more to learn about feminine nature ahead of him.

No offense intended, it’s just AWALT.


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@Hobbes
lol no prob, nothing personal I just don’t understand your point. You say:

“I have gone out of my way to make clear that I am not talking about unicorns, or **“true love”** or even idealistic love”

“**I never even intimated NAWALT** and fully and firmly know that everyone one of my ex’s, my friends wives/gfs and my mother Are All Like That.”

But the posts I was responding to say:

“So at first, these guys think all their problems will be solved by getting laid, but they’ve never had a **real relationship** or a women in love with them.”

“Sure, you learn how to Game, how to be socially savvy enough to get a girl home, but **real connection** eludes them…”

“Some betas may not get that hot desire an alpha get, but they do and can get **true love**, as far as women are capable of.”

“is the answer really being able to get laid, or is what you seek **to be loved**?. because game can teach the first, **but I don’t think it can teach the latter.**”

“I was very blue pill, and yet I had at least 3 ltrs with women, that even looking back with RP awareness were **deeply in love** with me- and 2 remain that way.”

“Their **“love” was real enough** that years later, they both at different times made their way to the city, at their own expense to be with me.”

“There are a thousand PUAs that can get laid but cant ever **inspire that kind of feeling and caring** in a woman.”

“I know more than a few beta guys who have had **real love** from women.”

“**But there is a very real and authentic love.**”

Like, I don’t have a beef/judgement either way, your wording just comes off like despite your caveats and quotation marks, you still think there’s some special true love going on so I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say. Maybe it’s just that your thoughts still need clarification in your own mind for you to present them in a way that’s clear (not a jab at you, you said “I’ve thought about, but haven’t really wrapped my head around. I’ll throw this idea out there, since this place is so good at helping to clarify ideas and working things out.” so I’m just saying like, ok your first draft of this thing you’re trying to explain isn’t clear enough to understand easily yet).

From what I’m reading you’re saying “there’s no such thing as true real love (and women are only capable of a certain type of love)…EXCEPT the true real love (as far as women are capable of) that some betas like myself and these guys I know have felt that some alphas will never feel and the red pill can’t explain yet”. Like, that’s the message that comes across from what you wrote (to me at least), regardless of whether you’re some super player or a total AFC. So it sounds like you’re saying “I know A isn’t real, but there’s this special A that I’ve felt that guys who say A isn’t real haven’t felt”, which translates to “A is real” which boils down to “I know A isn’t real…but it’s real!”

Totally open to clarification/reword/explanation as you figure out how best to explain your view but this version of it is confusing. Like I say, no offense intended I just legitimately don’t understand the point you’re trying to make lol


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@Hobbes
“btw, I hope my comments are taken the way they are meant- absolutely nothing personal, this is all data to me. ”

ya man, no worries. If my views are wrong or incomplete or inconsistent then I want to know that so I can fix it. It’ll take very clear explanations with evidence to back it up if it goes against the conclusions the combined consensus has nailed down (and your views might NOT go against it, like I say the wording of what you’re trying to say isn’t clear to me), but I’m always open to new ideas and perspectives even if I don’t end up convinced enough to agree with them.

All I look for is the truth. If tomorrow I found out that all my views on pickup were wrong I would change them to whatever it turns out reality is. I don’t promote an ideology, I promote backwards engineering combined data from mass-reference experiences from hundreds of thousands of men…whatever that data consistently shows.

“You can’t just game and know RP, or alpha up- you have to find a way to have joy in your life and that is what I find men miss a lot in the RP”

I would say that’s the fault of either very specifically the resources that guy was learning from that didn’t mention that, or that guy’s fault for not exploring more to learn from more sources. PLENTY of PUAs teach internal stuff about being happy and finding joy in the process and interactions and life in general. RSD alone has got like a million free videos on the subject, lots of dudes push Eckhart Tolle and Tony Robbins stuff, like the push for men to BE joyful happy people is THERE.

But in the case of someone like Roosh, his identity is based around being miserable and hating on everything, and looking down on everyone else…so he’s not going to go watch a Tyler vid on how to be happy. He’s not going to promote acceptance of crazy feminist bitches out at the bar. He’s not going to admit that he isn’t happy and look into ways to fix that because that all requires a certain level of humility and self-reflection which if you’re trying to start a cult probably isn’t your strong suit lol

Like, the resources are OUT there, but whether the guy is open to seeking them out or listening to them falls more on that individual guy’s responsibility than anything missing in the RP. Like RP NOT covering having joy in your life is their forum actively avoiding watching RSD vids etc. that stress the importance of it.

I agree that the TRP tends to focus more on “just make money and get ripped and have a purpose and you’ll be happy”, but in my mind anyone really interested in self-development should be looking at all possible resources, and should be ENCOURAGED to. That’s why an ideology like Roosh’s is doomed because it’s based around “we already know all the answers, there’s nothing more we can learn, and we don’t want anyone in our cult to look at or listen to any resources that aren’t ours, WE provide ALL the answers you need, just turn off your brain and follow what our elders tell you to think!”

So I agree that a lot of guys learning game DON’T put a huge emphasis on being internally happy, BUT I put that failure on them as individuals and not on the content because I can link dozens of free easily findable videos and articles about it that go back YEARS.


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@Forge the Sky
Random trivia: hit CTRL+F and type “yareally” on that Rawness article you linked. :)

There’s me 3 years ago trying to open that article’s reader-base to postive “find joy in life” content. The reception is about as you’d expect lol

People who make an identity out of being miserable and hating on the world are generally resistant to it. I post stuff like that for the lurkers who still have an open mind and see my writing and the content I link and possibly benefit from it.

Like that guy that debates with me there has decided all PUA is a scam and anything that in any way remotely will help you with women is evil and based off supplicating to women’s approval, which we all know is a silly fallacy that’s been debunked numerous times. The guy even agrees that a guy who’s got his shit together in business health etc. but can’t get laid just needs some basic social skills and flirting training…just not TOO MUCH. Not the BAD kind! Only the GOOD KIND that HE approves of and through his limited paradigm is “pure” and not “evil”. Mental masturbation.

So that’s why I say if a guy learning about the Red Pill goes down the Roosh route where they don’t learn to have inner joy, that’s not the Red Pill’s fault, the teaching and content and encouragement to work on that is OUT THERE…but whether someone will be receptive to it or look into it (esp when they first discover the Red Pill and they’re in the anger stage of it and don’t care about being happy), that’s on that individual.

“My experience, though, is that a lot of what I thought was the ‘real’ me was more of an idealization I had built up in my head. I don’t consider myself to be a PUA, but using ‘game’ with women has simply become an integrated part of my behaviors since understanding more fully how much I was repressing.”

Yup. When you were a baby and you were hungry for something you just grabbed it and put it in your mouth. We all started out that way. Pure id, if you subscribe to that idea. Then slowly over time we learned “don’t do that” “don’t say that” “don’t act like that” “do this instead” “do that” “sit down” “don’t speak out” “good boys don’t do that” “real men don’t do this” “real men do this (hi, Roosh’s new ideology!)” and we get chains of social conditioning wrapped around us.

Some of that is GOOD, it’s GOOD to be told not to put your hand on a hot stove. But a lot of it is very VERY bad…some of it was malicious programming by people with an agenda, but a lot of it was just people with good intentions trying to help us and not realizing what they were doing.

PUA and the Red Pill is about breaking away from those chains and getting closer to that id version of you that you were when you were young and unrestrained. Women find that unrestrained id attractive (for lots of reasons like showing that you don’t follow the rules and go for what you want and make decisions etc. etc.) and most guys who get far enough down the road feel like a more free version of themselves rather than someone “new”.

It’s like having a shitload of chains and weights removed from your body. Freedom.

“Great stuff man. It’s funny to me to think how horrified I would have been by your perspective once, and now I’m just like “Oh cool, I see how that could work well lol””

There are times and situations where sharing my experiences (and those of my buddies) will put people off. “I thought you were all about helping guys!! But you’re fucking these guys wives!!!” (in my ideal world those men would be taught enough RP knowledge to not BE trapped married with oneitis, and the women choosing to break their vows would be held accountable for their free will decision lol)

But all I’m after is the truth no matter how fucked up it is, and I assume that any guy reading sites like this is after the same thing.

“Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness… give me truth” and all that.

“Three years ago I thought I wanted a girl who could take charge of shit, haha, guess it was a workaround for me being passive as shit.”

Ya, the type of girl I idealized in my head when I was growing up and daydreaming about what having a girlfriend would be like etc. (right up till age 24 when I found game and even a couple years into it I held onto that vision) is LITERALLY the exact 180 opposite of what I’ve found I ACTUALLY respond to and am attracted to and fascinated by and what maintains my interest. I didn’t know myself enough to have any IDEA what type of energy/personality/sex/etc. I really needed to stay long-term satisfied/interested in a girl.

And I was a pretty self-aware guy back then, like I considered myself way beyond most of my peers in terms of having a solid understanding of my own psychology etc. and I was 10000000% convinced that that dream girl I envisioned (ironically she was exactly the unicorn every other AFC dreams of and every other not-fully-swallowed-the-red-pill player hopes they’ll find so they can leave the game lol), was the perfect girl for me and if I found her the traits I pictured would completely satisfy me. No one would be able to convince me otherwise.

…but the field takes all your beliefs and shoves the flaws and holes back in your face. ‘Cause I met girls like my vision, and I met girls not like my vision, and I met girls who were the exact opposite of my vision and I met girls who I thought there was no chance in hell I would ever like. And slowly through field experience, I learned more and more about what I like and don’t like, what I need and don’t need, what I tolerate and don’t tolerate, and most importantly: what I bring to the table and what I expect a girl to bring to the table.

I consider myself lucky that I didn’t meat that ideal girl back then, because I would have courted and married her and had no idea that I would ultimately end up unsatisfied with her and my life choices. Far as I’m concerned, I dodged a bullet.

PUA is as much about getting to know and understand YOURSELF as it is getting to know and understand others.


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YaReally
on May 25th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
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@Glenn
You’re just going through the natural process of unplugging. Your old wiring was all fucked up and needed to be torn out before you can start to fix the machine. And there’ll be more wiring in there that you won’t even realize is there till you run into it in certain situations. And it’ll piss you off, and make you sad, and you’ll think stuff like “how could I be so stupid to believe the lies??” and “how could people I thought CARED about me put me and KEEP ME on such a fucked up path??” There’s a whole lot of emotional rollercoaster that happens at this stage.

But it’ll settle down and that’s where you get to start the rewiring. But you can’t just rewire yourself…I mean, how the fuck are you supposed to do THAT?? You didn’t even KNOW there WAS better software out there till after 50 years of bullshit programming.

That’s where you hit YouTube and absorb the FUCK out of content. I highly recommend Tyler from RSD’s stuff. Peruse the titles and look for stuff that speaks to you. He has a lot of pickup related stuff that probably isn’t relevant to you at 50+ but he also has a lot of non-pickup related stuff about having a purpose and why the world works how it does etc. Highly recommend pirating The Blueprint, it clears up a LOT about how dysfunctional society is. Also read all of Rollo’s stuff.

“and it seems to me that internalizing all these fucked up values habituated seeing myself hyper critically, and never really being satisfied with what I was.”

Welcome to marketing/consumerism 101. You’re not good enough as you are, sorry. But you CAN be good enough…if you buy our product. Work hard so you can give us your money and buy it and feel amazing!! And you WILL feel amazing!! …for a while. Then the magic will wear off. And we’ll come out with a new product and say “you’re still using that OLD product?? lol wow, that’s sad. This NEW product is what you need if you want to feel good.” and on and on.

The minute you look in the mirror and really truly internalize that you can just BE HAPPY and just FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF, for NO fucking reason? That you can just feel like you have value based on NOTHING and with no justifications for it? No laundry list checklist of why you DESERVE to feel good? That you can just smile and force yourself to think positive thought loops and learn to look around and appreciate the things you DO have and enjoy about life and no longer focus on the things you’re lacking or that aren’t good?

That minute is the minute you’re no longer going to make them a fortune and your worth will no longer be defined by “what good are you to others”? :)

Here’s a good short RSD vid on how social conditioning has fucked you up that might resonate with you:

And on purpose:

And on evolving yourself:

The biggest hurdle you’ll have to overcome as you enter this rewiring stage is:

1) You’ll have to find a purpose (or purposes). Whether it’s sanding that table or socializing or getting your health in check or learning new hobbies…whatever fuels your interests.

2) It will probably be VERY HARD to find a purpose…because you have spent 50 years following other peoples’ purposes. You’ve spent 50 years being SHAMED and made to feel SELFISH for DARING to even THINK about finding a purpose that isn’t “being a utility to others”. You will probably feel bad and guilty…GUILTY! For asking yourself “what do *I* want?” The idea that a man could have some kind of want and selfishly chase that want, and that want might just be for HIM and him alone? That’s madness in our society. Men are utilities, we aren’t supposed to have desires.

3) It wasn’t your fault. You were just a victim of social conditioning your entire life, like the rest of us and like most people will be for the rest of THEIR lives. You weren’t stupid, you weren’t oblivious, you couldn’t have somehow known better…you were trapped inside a very convincing illusion like in The Truman Show. There was no way for you to figure this out on your own.

4) You will have to learn that it’s OKAY to put yourself first and that it’s GOOD to have wants and desires and that they’re just as valid if not MORE valid than other people’s desires. You won’t be a bad person for doing something you want to do and prioritizing yourself and your desires. Once you can accept that you deserve to HAVE desires, you can start rewiring yourself toward your purposes.

5) You can’t change the past. What’s done is done. A lot of it was bullshit, a lot of it was a waste, a lot of it was painful when it might not have had to be…but it’s in the past. You can’t go back and change it. You can look back on it and understand it better but at the end of the day, I don’t know your story but at 50+ you should still be able to get your health on track and you could have another 20+ YEARS ahead of you. That’s like getting all the years from being a teenager to mid-30s over again. That’s a long time to work on yourself and live a life completely different from the last 50. It’s all on YOU. We can all help motivate you, but you’re the one who’s gotta pick up the sandpaper and start swiping at that table.

“You cannot make a transition that drastic (unless you’re a rockstar or pro athlete or Justin bieber) SO I WOULD BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT YAREALLY SAYS. Virgin at 24–> to player fucking tons of chicks in his 30s. Nope doesn’t happen. Unless your fucking early 30s or late late 20s 6s.”

lol wut? Shit, I guess I’ve been imagining the last 10-ish years of my life. There’s no reason you can’t learn to bang hot girls if you put in the hours. I put in a LOT of hours. Check my archives for my life story. If you want it bad enough you can get it. Pickup itself isn’t even THAT complicated…it’s really a simple set of principles and a lot of game is just based on teaching guys how to follow those principles and how they work. The biggest part is unwiring all the bullshit conditioning you’ve had that guys like YOU have wired into guys like Glenn. “You can’t do that, it’s impossible, doesn’t happen, give up.” Like fuck off with that shit. How many great men ended up living bullshit lives that meant nothing because they listened to some dipshit who told them “it’s not possible, don’t even try”.

You don’t even understand HOW you do what YOU do…and you think you should advise other guys on what THEY can do?? lol

@Glenn @Sun Wukong
“I love when I get to tear everything up on a network like that and rebuild it. Means I get to do it my way instead of dealing with the stupid kludges, hacks, and bad planning that was in the way previously.”

Beautifully put. How awesome would it be to take some shitty apartment you live in and get to totally gut the whole thing and rebuild it from scratch exactly the way you want? It would be a lot of work and you’d have to learn a lot of things and absorb a lot of new information on how to build what you want to build…but man, getting to watch that custom build slowly shaping up day by day? That’s pretty awesome and something a lot of people will never experience.

@Will
“Ever think maybe these girls who “are married with husbands” are just trying to stay away from hurting you because they don’t want to get serious with someone who has nothing going for him. I don’t know you so I can’t judge but just a thought.”

I’m not sure what you mean lol…like their wedding rings are fake and the phone calls from their husband and their Facebook profiles of them with their hubby/kids are fake in some ruse to spare some kind of feelings on my end? That would be a helluva ruse on their part.


The Thirst: A Closer Analysis

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YaReally
on May 21, 2015 at 9:35 am
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Yo CH plz approve my dissertation on how to steal girls from hot dudes. lol it’s in mod :'( Also quorasdesignatedasshole watch for it, I’m not a TOTAL asshole I promise lol



Why You Shouldn’t Wait For Eye Contact From Women Before Approaching

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quorasdesignatedasshole
on May 19, 2015 at 12:08 pm
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There was a big breakthrough for me when I first realized it – That my competition is a bunch of average to slightly above average dudes with pretty much no ambition, no heart and no balls.

Made me respect myself 10x more instantly.


  • everybodyhatesscott
    on May 19, 2015 at 12:31 pm
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    That my competition is a bunch of average to slightly above average dudes with pretty much no ambition, no heart and no balls.

    The worst part is they’re not willing to put the time in to get better at ANYTHING. I’m not going to pretend I’m amazing with women like but at least I’m trying to learn and I’ve gotten significantly better since discovering this place but when I try to give my friends some of the basic advice I get the “That’s not how I do it man”

    If she texts you one word back, don’t write a paragraph

    “That’s not how I do it man”

    Don’t seem too eager

    “That’s not how I do it man”

    If she responds 4 hours after you text, don’t respond 3 seconds later

    “That’s not how I do it man”

    Guys who aren’t getting laid at all pretending they know everything cause they fucked a few girls in college.


    • YaReally
      on May 19, 2015 at 3:55 pm
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      Yup. Allll of this.

      At some point you have to realize that the people around you generally don’t have an interest in bettering themselves and will try to avoid the pain of doing so and try to get you to worsen yourself so they don’t feel so bad about their mediocrity. It’s pretty fucked up ’cause often times those are your childhood friends or family. They can hold you back. But you’re a man, you don’t need their approval and you aren’t their babysitter. You’re gonna go for what you and and if they want to come along and join you that’s cool, but if not you wish them the best and hope it works out for them but you’ve got shit to do.


    • YaReally
      on May 20, 2015 at 4:09 am
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      @Anonymous
      “All said – I give myself a 6% advantage over a guy who can – though skilled conversation – find and strike an emotional chord. My advantage is in preselection”

      I agree that by default you have the advantage. I’ve wung with money dudes before who by default are way higher-value than me even if I’m hitting emotional cords and the girl keeps eventually turning back to them instead of me.

      But that’s where strategy comes in. You’ve got that 6% as long as she can still see you and interact with you, and I KNOW that, so a lot of my game around guys like that involves getting her attention and then getting her the fuck away from you by any means necessary so that you’re no longer an option to her, and then KEEPING her away from you and making it difficult for you to get her attention back without looking try-hard. I’ve literally wrapped my arms around a girl’s thighs and thrown her over my shoulder and carried her away from dudes that I think will be a threat lol (I actually learned that from a dude who did it to me, well-played fucker)

      Like if we’re both standing there going head to head then ya, your pre-selection is a good advantage. But we’re not going to be standing there going head to head because I know that game is more risky for me so I’m going to do everything I can from distracting you with other girls or dudes to making excuses why she needs to come over here “for just 2 seconds” (which leads to more venue changes as we get further and further away from you or lose you in the crowd), to subtly lowering your value to her as soon as I’m pulling her away (“sorry that’s my gay buddy he always pretends to be straight to cockblock me lol dude is a dick but we’re good bros from way back, don’t worry he has cock lined up tonight, so tell me about your bla bla”) etc.

      If you KNOW I’m going to do all that shit then you can probably counter a lot of it and still get her…but that shit blindsides every guy I’ve ever done it to because no one does it and no one expects it and no one has any kind of practice at reacting to it.

      Why do I know how to do all that shit? Because when you were earning your 6% pre-selection, I was in bars practicing it.

      Like I always say: A good looking Natural rich dude will do just FINE…as long as a guy with game isn’t in there fucking it up. As long as it’s just him and the girl in his comfort zone and the guys that try to compete with him have weak game, ya he’ll get all the girls…but it’s going to be VERY difficult to overcome the stuff a good PUA learns to do to subvert all that. You might still get her, but you’re gonna need to bring more than some pre-selection to the table.


    • YaReally
      on May 20, 2015 at 4:12 am
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      (forgot to add in my explanation of some of my tactics that they’re all going to be geared toward getting her out of the venue ASAP because I know that if we’re all in the same venue together till the end of the night there’s a good chance you two will bump into eachother again and I’ll lose her, so I gas-pedal that shit to get her out of there and away from the threat lol)


    • YaReally
      on May 20, 2015 at 4:27 am
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      Also if you’ve hooked her then she won’t let me take her away or distract her. So I need to get in there BEFORE you’ve hooked her, otherwise I have to do a shitload more work to try to get her away from you and I’m way less likely to succeed. So if you and her are in a deep convo and I come in, she’s not going to be interested in me and you’re gonna’ get her because you’re already in.

      So I’m talking about if we both see a girl in the club and approach her for the first time that night and I can get in there before you sink your hooks too deep. I ain’t superman, I just know the window isn’t automatically closed the second she shows attraction for you…there’s still an opportunity to work some magic and turn it around ’cause it’ll take you a little while to fully hook. She may even be bummed that she missed out on getting to know you, but girls live in the moment and whatever feels are happening in the moment are reality to her so she’ll switch her attraction to me.

      Tyler has some good stuff on stealing girls here, worth a read just to understand the dynamic and see how a PUA mind processes these situs and the type of tactics we’ll use to counter that 6% advantage:

      http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/advanced/271.html

      Again it’s not 100% and there’s a point where if you have solid game on top of that 6% you’re going to hook her and impossible to get because she’s fully chosen you…but 1) most guys don’t have the game to reach that hook point quickly so it takes them most of the night to do it and 2) that hook point comes a lot later on than people think…she can make out with you and STILL be possible to steal (but I wouldn’t because ew lol)

      Your goal should be to hit that hook point as soon as possible, but in general you don’t have to worry because most guys won’t bother competing with you because of your 6%. They’ll talk themselves out of it and say “oh she looked at him so she likes him I don’t have a chance oh well” and go hit on an easier target or go home to their right hand lol So most of the time you’ll probably be fine…and that’s why the stuff I do works even better because if guys don’t challenge you very often then it comes out of nowhere and it’s all over in seconds. Whereas as an average guy who was sarging high-end clubs for a while where all the guys were clearly better looking richer etc. than me, I KNOW they’re gonna come over and try to take my girl so I’ve got full radar on for that shit and ideally pre-empt it (walk her to another part of the venue when I see one of them approaching us) so that I don’t have to deal with it and if he gets in set distract her and pull her away from him as soon as possible and if I’m stuck with him in-set then resort to AMOG stuff that he’s not used to…the second I can get him to stumble, my value goes up and I can get her away from him.

      This shit can get cut-throat lol pickup isn’t always fruity fluffy opinion openers and high-fives. You gotta be sharp and on your shit if you want the hotter girls, esp if you don’t have that 6% advantage.


  • Cydonia19.5
    on May 20, 2015 at 12:06 pm
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    What makes you think you’re not one of those dudes ?? Most everybody thinks they’re better, smarter, faster, then the next guy.


    • YaReally
      on May 20, 2015 at 11:58 pm
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      @quotasdesignatedasshole
      “I wake up every morning at 5, and follow a three hour ritual.”

      lol and how’s that working out for you?


    • YaReally
      on May 22, 2015 at 1:42 am
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      @quorasdesignatedasshole
      @Anonymous

      don’t worry, I actually think quoras dedication/routine is admirable and massive props to him for it, I was just trolling as part of an experiment but the huge explanation of why and what the experiment is, is of COURSE, sitting in fuckin mod. Keep an eye on this space or some shit for when it comes out of mod 2 years from now when no one will read it.



Sentient
on May 19, 2015 at 12:49 pm
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but Ya you don’t need to spend lot’s of time in the gym or working a job to have success in those areas. I get you are making a point… but that is a limiting belief I’d rather see young guys avoid.

You just need to do it the right way for the right reasons… i.e. not to “get girls” but because fitness is good and money is fun to have, or you just enjoy what you are doing.

Eat right is 75% of fitness. The fork is the best piece of workout equipment.

And for money – seek that which is scalable… equity, royalties, sales commissions, owning assets… these things pay off in multiples and are not dependent on your time.

If you are a young guy starting out, better to take no salary and all equity in something than trade your time for a paycheck…


  • shartiste
    on May 19, 2015 at 1:22 pm
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    This is true. Guys with doughy physiques always assume well-built guys spend like 3 hours per day at the gym. No, try like 3 hours per week, you lazy fuck.

    But then, for some guys this is just ignorance, but a guy like YaReally is in a naturally AMOGing state, he’s reframing something good (being in shape) as something desperate and needy (spending hours a day in the gym to get girls). Its just what he do.


    • YaReally
      on May 19, 2015 at 2:58 pm
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      I actually agree, ideally you should work toward a good lifestyle balance all-around. But I gotta go by what I actually see around me, not by the ideal of how I wish it were.

      And what I see around me are a shit-load of guys who SHOULD be getting laid like rockstars, who can’t say hello to that cute girl in the fruit section of the grocery store because they’re waiting to cut another 2% before they can feel confident when they’re already more ripped than 80% of the people around them. And guys who skip the invite to go out to the bar because they have “this big project due Monday” staying late or going in on the weekend to work overtime and that works out for them because half the reason they turned down the invite is that they know they’re going to be too scared to approach a girl.

      And guys who go climb Mt Everest (or whatever lol) not because they really give a shit either way but because they listened to some dipshit “REAL MEN FIGHT BEARS WITH THEIR BARE HANDS AND THEN BITCHES JUST FALL FROM THE SKY ONTO THEIR DICK” internet eBadass and approaching girls is so scary to them that the notion of being able to do ANYTHING that isn’t “go up and say hi” and not risk rejection and get a hot girlfriend out of it is too appealing to resist…when none of that shit is going to get them the results that actually putting in the hours learning to cold approach would.

      They’re not doing this stuff because they want to do it or enjoy it that much, they’re doing it the same way you might do the dishes to avoid doing your homework…it’s less scary than putting your ego and entire self-worth on the line risking rejection from that hot girl. There’s something that stings to the fuckin CORE about rejection…I could go into that for like 10 pages lol But I’ve seen manly as fuck badasses who are PETRIFIED to approach a hot girl. It’s surreal.

      Rollo and I had a little back and forth in the Strength of Interest article comment section on his blog and he shared this story:

      “Just an aside on what YaReally was saying; when I was in my 20’s my brother used to do competitive bodybuilding on the amateur circuit level.

      I never competed (I got laid being a junior rock star), but I did go to his shows, we worked out together and I was friends with a lot of the guys in his social circle.

      These guys got HB9+ level interest from top shelf women constantly. Strippers, gym rat girls, models, etc. and laid they got.

      However, these guys had very little Game and zero Red Pill awareness. They were Alpha by default, but all of them (my brother included for a time) ended up getting involved with women who’s possessiveness bordered on psychotic.

      They “got the dream girl” but she’d turn into a nightmare and their Beta feminine pretenses of “treating a woman right” destroyed them from the inside out. Each of these women wanted to lock down these guys hardcore, but even when they did their BPD tendencies made them even more crazy.

      Consequently these “supermen” would give up on being pro bodybuilders and do something mundane and domestic, only to get fat or give up in trying to make everything right for the “smoking hot dream girl”.”

      Hit up the Forever Alone crew on MISC over at bodybuilding dot com and you’ll see a shitload of dudes way better looking than most of us will ever be who can’t get laid or get a GF to save their life. Just one more rep, brah!

      So ya, a nice healthy balance from early on in life is ideal. But that’s generally not how it pans out in reality. Reality is that guys (especially hardcases) focus SUPER hard on one or two categories that don’t involve actually hitting on girls, until they realize they aren’t passively attracting the hotties they want and then they’re stuck with a bunch of shitty beliefs they have to unwire about how it’s “supposed” to work and they have to play catch-up with their social skills.

      When I write I’m writing to the general masses. Ya we should all eat a healthy diet, but the lineup at McDonald’s is always full and those are the people that need a wake-up.

      My personal recommendation is a period of massive hyperfocus on game in your early 20s, throw yourself in 100% you have all the free time and lack of responsibility in the world, bars are easier ’cause you’re the right age range, etc. Like if you’re gonna backpack around europe for a year after college, fuck that, go sarge 5x a week for a year instead.

      Then once you have a good solid head start on that shit, make it more of a casual lifestyle once or twice a week thing and focus on getting your career/health/wealth/etc. handled. You have all the time in the world to make money and get fit past 30, but starting out hitting college bars doing cold approach pickup at 30+ is a lot tougher than it would’ve been at 21.

      That’s just my advice based on what I see around me and guys I’ve met tho, I’m just some guy on teh interwebz lol


    • YaReally
      on May 19, 2015 at 3:03 pm
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      I’m also talking more about the extreme cases and the less extreme ones can extrapolate the warnings from there…the extreme cases like the dudes trying to get down to insane body fat where they skip going to the bar with their social circle entirely because beer and pub food is all calories (show up after everyone’s eaten and learn to sarge sober, boom) or pumping themselves full of roids because they think it’ll help if they’re just a bit more jacked, or frustrated that their new car/shirt/shoes/condo/whatever isn’t getting them that HB10 they were told it would get them (or even a nice HB7 girlfriend).

      Or this case that I’ll never forget (also from the discussion in Rollo’s comments):

      “One guy confessed to me that he wasn’t even in med school because he wanted to be a doctor, he was in it (racking up tons of debt and not enjoying school or his future career) because he thought if he was a doctor he would be able to find a wife…turns out he was too busy studying and working to actually meet women and when he DID occasionally meet them thru social circles he had no idea what to do to get them and the “cooler” guys in the group would get the girls’ interest. And I told him man you gotta’ go out and sarge more and he had the fucking scary realization that he was too swamped with med school to go out sarging and gain that experience talking to girls, and too in debt to quit med school.

      These views of “just get rich and jacked and you’ll magically have a wife appear out of nowhere and love you and marry you” and “if you’re rich and jacked then you’ll have no problem getting an HB8-10 wife, it’s easy you won’t have any problems keeping them because you have money and a 6-pack bro” Disney fantasy bullshit fucks guys lives up. You know why a lot of rich dudes in the nightlife scene do drugs? Because they’re sexually frustrated…they have the money looks career and car that everyone told them would provide women and they still aren’t getting the girls they want but they have ALL the attributes that were SUPPOSED to make it just magically happen for them and they keep talking to girls who get bored of them or won’t put out or get pissed off or cheat on them and they go “But I did everything right!! Is it just ME? Am I just a loser??” and they do drugs to numb themselves from that thought process…when they simply didn’t spend time learning game because some dipshit on the net told them “bro just make money and get rich and you’ll get a 10″ and they skipped reading useful real-world applicable shit and wasted another weekend of their 20s in the office.

      You think quality hot girls are just walking around all over the place? They’re rare as fuck. Some guy waking up in his fancy condo (isolated), driving to work (isolated), working in his private corner office all day (isolated), heading to the gym with his headphones on focusing on his workout cause macking girls at the gym feels sleazy to him (isolated), heads home to read shit on the net or study or do extra work (isolated)…he turns down invites to go to the bar because if he gets some extra work down he might get that promotion (isolated) till his friends stop asking.

      Where is that guy meeting his dream 10 wife-quality material? On his lunch-break MAYBE he happens to bump into a hot girl? What are the odds that that hot girl is going to be high-quality and be a personality type he gels with and have good motherly/wifey qualities and not be on anti-depressants or bipolar or dating anyone else or have a healthy attitude or a kid or a million other things.

      If you want a high-quality long term girlfriend you need to get the fuck out there and meet a shitload of girls. Everything else you’re doing is not getting you closer to meeting a high quality hot girl.”


    • YaReally
      on May 19, 2015 at 3:26 pm
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      @theasdgamer
      “Any reason that can’t be done in public high school? I’ve seen high schoolers at weekend dances at dance studios.”

      Can’t see any reason why not (aside from legal age limit stuff). But “don’t shit where you eat” comes into play and a lot of guys learning pickup can be weird and miscalibrated at first which can be bad when you’re trapped in a school with the same people for a few years ’cause reputations stick.

      If I had a nephew or something in high school I would give him advice that focuses more on learning to build social circles and network and get along with guys and let him wing it with girls and see how he does…basically teach him to stack the deck in his favor to get the attention of girls around him and he’ll probably get enough success off that.

      Once he gets out of that cooped up little environment he can get a bit more risky with approaching women out in the bar scene where he can bomb and embarrass himself or weird a girl out and just run away anonymously lol

      There’s also a chance that full-on game would be too much for that environment because the girls don’t even know how to really flirt yet. They’re still learning to stretch their claws and shit. Like when a <23yo chick tries to get me to buy her a drink or something it's just cute to me like "oh, you're learning to stretch your claws, aww that's sweet, but now you're going to learn that some guys aren't like other guys and some guys won't buy you a drink." and she doesn't even care about the drink she was just doing it to test her sexuality and to learn how to use it and see what she can get men to do etc.

      But in high-school it's like, the very start of that and really hardcore game is probably going to leave a lot of them stunned and not knowing how to react to all the emotions you're throwing them through. If that happens and you don't calibrate and pull back and game less you run the risk of overgaming and frying her circuits.

      So in high school, just being a social guy and building some social circles and hitting up some parties where he's going to be around girls is probably enough to get some makeouts and maybe a few lays.


    • YaReally
      on May 19, 2015 at 3:46 pm
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      @asdf
      Read some FRs or ask some buddies or watch some movies/TV lol It doesn’t happen to me much anymore, they know from the start that I’m too much of an asshole to do it, but when I was starting out it happened a ton. If they do it now usually they do it half-assed like they already know it’s silly to try it on me before the words finish leaving their mouth and I can pretty much just stare at them and they get flustered and drop it. Brad Pitt has this great body language thing he does in Ocean’s Eleven where the other person says something and he knows they know better than to say it to him so he just stares at them and cocks his head slightly and like, they instantly KNOW “oops, he’s got my number, ok I was being dumb I admit it”. He does it to Topher Grace on the walk to the poker game at the start of the movie when he wants to pay him by cheque, and he does it again to Clooney when he asks Clooney why he wants to knock over the casinos. He does it in other movies too (lots of it in Fight Club). It’s a great little move and I swiped the fuck out of it and use it in situs like girls asking me to buy them a drink or do anything for them that they should know I wouldn’t do.


    • YaReally
      on May 20, 2015 at 5:53 am
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      @Scroop
      Thanks for sharing, keep at it dude most of your life story is pretty much the same as mine and a lot of hardcase PUAs. I literally had never held a girls hand by like age 24. How fucked is that? Total computer nerd recluse (that’s why I can type a jillion words a minute for these long posts I write, my nerd years pay off now finally lol).

      One of the biggest first revelations a guy has when he finds pickup is “wait, this is a thing I can get BETTER at???? It’s NOT just “you either have it or you don’t” and “just be yourself”??? I can PRACTICE this and become GOOD at it like a sport or hobby?? Holy shit.”

      The other big one is that “you are enough”. I bet guys who looked at you and your lifestyle and shit back when you were freaking out about bicep size would be like “I can’t imagine that guy not feeling like he deserves that cute chick over there, that doesn’t make any sense, why would he be scared obviously she would like him!”

      But that just twists the knife deeper, because then all you can do is say “oh god, then I must REALLY be a pussy because I’m not some disfigured troll who has an excuse not to get that girl, everyone thinks I SHOULD be able to get her and I just CAN’T so I must be broken or an impossible case”.

      Meanwhile if people had just taught you early on in high school not to base your self worth on your external shit like looks money etc., and taught you some basic game, your entire life could have been one long success story. That’s why I’m so passionate about this stuff. I’m not here for e-props, I don’t care if people think I bang drunk bar slut 2s or what lol, I’m here to try to reach guys who are looking to shake off the brainwashing society did to them before they get all fucked up.

      For what it’s worth I still get approach anxiety, we all do. I completely pussied out of approaching a hottie when I was running errands yesterday lol no biggie, it’s healthy it means you’re normal because you fear social consequences. There’s a place filled with people who don’t fear any kind of social consequence, it’s called prison lol But you can work on it and work through it when it happens and work on your mindsets (do affirmations even if you think they’re cheesy, watch positive self help stuff, quit listening to emo heartbreak music, quit watching emo TV shows and movies where the characters pine after eachother and the guy is never good enough for the girl, etc., feed your brain good stuff) to try to ease it and gather reference experiences slowly over time by forcing yourself through it to eventually lessen it to where it doesn’t hold you back as often.



newlyaloof
on May 19, 2015 at 1:02 pm
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Outstanding YaReally throw-down.

Reminds me of last week. promotion girls going around bar asking people to do a survey. Hot 9 asks me to do it while smiling and giggling. I said, “Not now. Come back in 10 minutes after this drink kicks in.” I wish I could capture the look she had on her face. In all likelihood, she probably hasn’t heard that ever. She seemed more interested after that.


  • Anonymous
    on May 19, 2015 at 1:07 pm
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    Big mistake I always made. You make a somewhat risque comment, and get this look of shock. Rather than brazen it out, I would get this instant look of ‘oh sh*t, sorry…’ and was cooked then and there. I still shoot myself in the foot this way on occasion. One time at a party, I was wasted enough to not give a rat’s behind, and instead gave her my best sh*t eating grin. After a few seconds, she starts giggling and gives me a little punch on the upper arm.


    • YaReally
      on May 19, 2015 at 3:16 pm
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      Yup, just hold your frame like “ya, that just happened, what are you gonna’ do about it? ;)” She’s pinging off you to decide how she should feel about what you said…if you panic and backpedal then she knows she should be offended/disgusted/pissed. If you hold your frame then she gets attracted.



YaReally
on May 19, 2015 at 2:32 pm
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See what happens when you say “pretty pretty please, with sugar on top”? FRONTPAGED. lol.

Another note is that Naturals often need a hardcore AI to approach so a lot of them will wait until they get eye-contact and have a bunch of tricks to get a girl to notice them so they can get that eye-contact and THEN go in. They have a high enough success rate that way to not bother learning to cold approach, plus cold approach risks rejection which is harder for the ego which is huge in a lot of Naturals who base their identity/reputation around getting laid so waiting for eye-contact is a higher % success rate…but like I say, the hottest girls are Bill Gates and that guy is just another $10,000 bill…great to have, but he’s not probably not gonna climb down a sewer to get it.


  • Junior
    on May 19, 2015 at 10:11 pm
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    @YaReally

    running into this recently trying to open more challenging (ie. hotter) groups- approach a group where girls are in middle of conversation & either get the “ummm you just interrupted me” + the ‘wtf?’ look from girl I say hi to or one of her friends. Weirded out one group so much they all went silent & one said, “well, this is weird” haha shiiiiiit. Found myself back peddling & apologizing (ghey) then questioning if I should have waited for a more opportune time to approach when I’m not likely to be seen as interrupting a story etc, which seems fuckin lame to me. Thinking it’s best to just admit I interrupted & roll on with how I don’t have time to wait around for the perfect time to say hi. Any thoughts would be super appreciated


    • YaReally
      on May 20, 2015 at 3:56 am
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      “Thinking it’s best to just admit I interrupted & roll on with how I don’t have time to wait around for the perfect time to say hi”

      You got it lol Just own whatever it is that’s awkward. If you feel awkard about it they will, if you don’t they won’t (and if they do then that’s okay, walk away, you’re not going to die lol).

      Props for taking action. You can’t control the outcome…you can’t say “I’m going to be a guy who’s good with girls” because who knows how the girl will react. But you CAN say “I’m going to be a guy who TAKES ACTION” because approaching a set like that IS under your control.

      Maybe there was a better time to approach, maybe you could’ve had an opener prepared that would engage the group, maybe a million things. Learn from it use what you learned to approach it better next time. If shit stalled out fast, plan out some openers/routines to keep the group engaged. If the interruption was too awkward, wait for a lull in their conversation to approach. etc. etc.

      Good way to rack up experience with big groups of girls is to hit nightclubs early when everyone is sober and nervous and there are big groups of girls standing around or sitting in booths etc. and just jump in the middle of that shit lol The girls are usually more open to being approached because they’re bored and no guys are talking to them yet. Bachelorette parties are perfect candidates too cause they’re in happy mode. I used to pounce on every bachelorette party I saw and would jump into the middle of groups of like 7 girls. It’s rare for that to actually turn into a lay (lots of mother hen group protection and high ASD in front of their friends etc.) but it was fun as fuck and a great way to start the night. If you see a bachelorette party at 10pm in a mostly empty-nightclub? Get the fuck IN there and start making fun of their penis straws, they need you to save them from boredom lol



LeCoq
on May 19, 2015 at 2:51 pm
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YaReally – I enjoy your posts and comments and I’ve learned a lot. But one thing I’m unclear of where do you find HB9s that are willing to do only ONS and don’t see you as a LTR/provider material?


  • YaReally
    on May 19, 2015 at 3:13 pm
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    Move to a city with a college campus and get an apartment in the middle of the bar district that all those campus hotties go to. Even better if it’s close to campus. Lots of college chicks are just there for school for a couple years and want someone to fuck them good, with no drama, while they focus on school.

    Hell move to Vegas for a few years in your 20s if you can lol Just don’t get too caught up in the booze and drugs. Move to New York, the ratio of women to men in New York is ridiculous and the city lends itself to meeting them because everyone takes the subway and walks plus tons of tourists just passing through for a few days/weeks. Paul Janka spends the week walking from one end of New York to the other collecting phone numbers and txting them to meet up on the weekend. Get creative.

    If you have a nice stable job in some podunk little town most people haven’t heard of in the middle of nowhere and you live out in the burbs…like it’s great that you have that handled, but where do you expect to find a bunch of hotties? If you’re young enough, consider figuring out how to shift careers to a location where you’re going to be around hot girls. Be pro-active about it if you really want it.

    Otherwise make do with where you are and accept that you’re choosing not to uproot your life for better opportunities with hotties and that’s a choice you’re making that will very likely affect the quality of the girl you settle down with someday but your current living situ is more important than that…and then accept that you don’t get to complain if you go to the bar and it’s all small-town fatties and uggos and when you walk around in the daytime the streets are empty lol


    • YaReally
      on May 19, 2015 at 3:50 pm
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      @mendozatorres
      Look at your reasons NOT to and ask yourself how many of those reasons are based in fear/scarcity and wanting to stay in your comfort zone or take the path of least resistance. Then look at what you want in life for the next few years and long-term and decide if where you are and what you’re doing is going to get you there or not.

      It’s pretty hard to fuck up in life. If you’re a street-smart resourceful dude, you can waste a few years and still recover no problem especially in your 20s. 30s is trickier but still do-able. If you spend your 20s and 30s working then ideally in your 40s you’re in a position where you can afford to take a couple years off, etc. Find a way to make it work.

      A crazy plan is fine if 1) it gets you where you want to be in life and 2) you’ve planned out a couple worst-case-scenario back-up plans for if it turns out to be a huge mistake. If you have those two things covered then fuck it, what’s stopping you?


    • YaReally
      on May 19, 2015 at 3:52 pm
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      @mendoza
      Also watch Fight Club, Into The Wild (and google Christopher McCandles’ letter to Ron after you watch the movie), and One Week all back to back if you need motivation lol That’s like the triple-hit-combo of uprooting your life and making a drastic change toward adventure.


    • YaReally
      on May 19, 2015 at 3:59 pm
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      @mendozatorres

      “Got them covered and I’ve done these types of maneuvers before, granted, tad easier in the youth.”

      Gonna be even harder 5-10 years from now when you still don’t have what you want. ;) 10 years from now you can live on your couch in comfort and safety. Just be smart, plan it out, have multiple backup plans, ideally have enough money in the bank to not be fucked if it doesn’t work out, and take what you want. You’re gonna be on a hospital bed with tubes up your nose wrinkled and feeble one day and all you’re gonna have are memories to think about and stories to tell the nurses about how this one time you decided you had enough of your situation and decided to change it.



cheesetrader
on May 19, 2015 at 3:13 pm
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Quality post, YR – thanks

Subtext – by NOT waiting for eye contact, you’re taking the initiative – chicks like a man who takes the lead rather than waiting for her to deign to extend an invite.

Or differently put – quit waiting for chicks to make the first move. You like what you see? Go talk to what you see.


  • YaReally
    on May 19, 2015 at 3:38 pm
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    “Subtext – by NOT waiting for eye contact, you’re taking the initiative – chicks like a man who takes the lead rather than waiting for her to deign to extend an invite.”

    Yup. Part of why I KNOW my value will skyrocket once I DO approach her is that I know approaching her is, in itself, the first DHV. If from there I can get her laughing and riff a bit, hold eye-contact and all that, totally unstifled and not worrying about people staring at us, my value just keeps rocketing up.

    Mystery’s 3-second rule was dual-purpose: it forced you to approach before you could talk yourself out of it and it forced you to approach before the girl could decide you weren’t confident enough to approach. Big ol’ brain under that fuzzy hat of his lol


    • YaReally
      on May 20, 2015 at 3:03 am
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      asdf
      Just a shit-test. Hold your frame that it’s no big deal and if she seems like she’s pulling away qualify her so she feels like she deserves you.

      Putin
      Eye-contact is great if you can get it. Once I open I use it like crazy. My point is just that NOT getting eye-contact shouldn’t prevent a guy from approaching a girl he wants. A lot of guys are so scared of risking rejection that they won’t approach unless they have a flashing neon green light that it’ll go well like the girl staring them down, and if that happens that’s great…but for guys like me who don’t get gets checking us out by default that would mean a lot of “not getting laid” lol



gunslingergregi
on May 19, 2015 at 6:33 pm
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thing is this though if yareally was really pulling tens
there is nowhere he could go and not be know in his area
bitches would know
all my life i been famous for my bitches


  • YaReally
    on May 20, 2015 at 2:57 am
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    lol long response and glimpse into YaReally’s world in mod.

    tl;dr version: Don’t confuse fucking with dating.



YaReally
on May 20, 2015 at 5:24 am
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Bunch of replies for a bunch of people in mod, enjoy lol



The Puzzle Of Female Eye Flirting

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via Heartiste

YaReally
on May 19, 2015 at 12:45 am
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Get comfy, this is a long one but stick it out and you’ll read some shit and make some connections that I haven’t seen anyone else really write about before:

For the record I get zero eye-contact from ANY women.

My buddies (esp the ones who are non-white or short, like not traditionally good looking) don’t believe me because they’ve seen me in-field macking girls and they’ve seen me build my value up in a venue to the point where girls WILL throw me eye-contact. But if I’m just walking through a crowd at the mall or down the street or around a grocery store I get NO girls tossing me eye-contact. Hot, ugly, groups, solo, doesn’t matter, I’m essentially invisible by default. It’s not that we look at eachother in the eyes and she glances away too fast for me to do anything. It’s not that I look at her eyes a second after she looks away from mine. It’s not that she checks me out on my way up to the checkout counter and then looks away when she thinks I’ll notice. It’s literally they’ll look completely off to the side of me, down, above me, etc. and actively avoid meeting eye to eye.

On the flip side I have a non-white buddy who’s daygame advice to me is always stuff about “man just hold eye-contact and they melt” and it took him a while to understand that somehow a non-white guy gets more eye-contact than a white guy. Logically, I should be the one getting EC and he should be getting ignored. We’re in a city that’s primarily white too, so it makes even more sense that we should be seeing the opposite results. Logically the girls should be checking out the guy who more closely matches their mental image of who they should be with.

I attribute it to being peacocked by default. A non-white dude in a white city is peacocked by default. It’s an unusual sight to see, especially since he walks with confidence so it’s like “huh? What’s that?” and instinctively they look at him. Because they can’t instantly label him in their mind since he doesn’t fit their mold of what they expect to see, they have to observe him to classify him. The same way if a clown run through the room most people’s heads would turn to look at it just out of reflex. I have a short buddy (5’2″) who gets a lot of looks when he walks into a room too, because again he’s peacocked by default.

These looks aren’t necessarily attraction, they’re primarily curiousity or just a reflex, BUT they DO allow the guy an opportunity to lock eye-contact confidently and not look away and start gaming from that foothold. My short buddy uses the attention to engage people and build social proof quickly.

Whereas I have an extremely generic look. If you had to describe a generic average looking white guy, that description would be me lol Average height, weight, looks, clothes, you name it. I don’t even peacock, no wrist-bands or necklaces or wild shirts or anything.

And the fact that I look like all the other generic white guys ends up working AGAINST me…because how many cool attractive money dudes has she met? They’re rare in general as it is. But there are a TON of lame chodey beta AFC white dudes all around her, from her social circles, to her orbiters, to her classmates, to her friend-zoned childhood best friend with a crush, to every lame-ass dude at the bar who’s ever hit on her. All the guys who seemed cool at first but then turned out to be lame after a couple dates etc.

And engaging these guys can be annoying because they’re lame/boring, they get clingy and needy, the sex is bad, she ends up having to avoid their calls for weeks while they throw emo tantrums or cry about why she doesn’t like them etc. etc. On top of that, who are the primary assholes she experiences, like not the attractive assholes but the ones who legitimately do shitty things to her and her friends? Probably white dudes. Who’s her ex-boyfriend who was a loser? Probably some white dude. Who are the guys on the bus and street who give her weak-ass catcalls and if she accidentally makes eye-contact with some loser on the bus he takes it as a sign he has a chance and sits down beside her with his bad breath and awkward weirdness and she has to engage him the entire bus-ride etc (this is why when you watch a hot girl get on a bus she’ll often be looking down at the floor, not around the room, because she doesn’t want to accidentally make eye-contact with some loser and she’s in an environment where the people are probably losers cause they can’t afford cars lol).

So we have like hundreds or thousands of reference experiences of white guys being lame-ass chodes or assholes, losers, etc. and maybe a couple experiences with legitimately money white dudes who, even long-term, stay high-value.

So if we’re both walking down the street toward eachother, is it safer for her to assume I’m one of the few awesome dudes she’s met, or that I’m one of the VAST number of “I don’t want to engage with this guy” guys she’s met and avoid eye-contact? Especially if I look exactly like all the other generic white dudes?

And on the flip side has she ever MET and hung out with, like, a non-white dude or a 5’2″ guy in a primarily white city? No, probably not. She may have an idea of some stereotypes from TV/movies, but that’s about it. So she doesn’t KNOW what my buddies will be like and their body language and vibe doesn’t match the stereotypes she expected so she has to check them out to try to confirm the stereotypes to classify them. They may literally be her first reference experience of seeing one in person. Look at Mystery, you see THAT weird shit walking past you and how can you NOT look out of sheer curiousity at “wtf am I even looking at is this real life??” And if you’re a girl in a bar you want to shit-test that instinctively out of curiousity…but passing shit-tests builds attraction so you’ve just walked into the spider-web he laid out.

I get a similar issue with bouncers, my non-white or peacocked buddies have a WAY easier time getting bouncers to recognize and remember them because I look like every other dude. They’ve thrown out 3 guys that look just like me that night and there are 20 of me in the lineup when they glance over the line and they’re purposely trying NOT to engage us because we’ll be doing some stupid shit like begging to get in or trying to bribe them awkwardly or complaining about the wait etc. so I just blend in with the rest of them whereas the bouncer will pick my non-white buddy out of the lineup all “hey man what are you doing in line lol”. I have to actively get face-time and a few solid interactions with them for them to pick me out of a crowd or remember me.

So there are benefits to looking unusual, even looking a way that would normally be deemed unattractive, IF you can learn to harness the attention it gets you. I tried to explain to my non-white buddy that if he went to his home country where EVERY guy looked exactly like him and 90% of them were losers, he’d experience the same effect and get why girls don’t check me out.

I have minimal to no value until I actively approach a girl and express my personality. It’s not that I’m unattractive in general because once I approach I can skyrocket in value pretty much immediately and being my charming self and they love me, but before I approach I am just invisible furniture lol That would affect my confidence if I didn’t understand how game/attraction/psychology work, like you get new a new shirt and a haircut or you’ve lost a few pounds at the gym and feel good and walk around and no girls notice you, and then it’s all big sad feels…but because I know that as soon as I engage them and express my personality they’ll view me as a 10, I go from a non-entity they didn’t even realize was in the room to “where did you come from??” puzzlement at how they didn’t notice such an attractive guy was nearby, it’s like I materialized out of thin air to them…and so I don’t care about not getting easy Approach Invites like eye-contact.

Now I could tweak this. If I could grow to be 6’4″, or if I got super Hulk jacked, or if I wore crazy peacocky clothes, or if I pulled up in a BMW, or if I was having a loud conversation with a buddy where I’m expressing my personality, or if I had a girl on my arm, etc. If I do that stuff I’ll get more AIs and eye-contact. Hell the whole PUA community was based around “try to stand out” before you even approach. But a lot of that stuff can be a lot of work for little reward because even with those AIs I’ll still have to approach her since the girls who will approach me will generally be overconfident 5-7s at best…a 9 isn’t likely to drop her shit to come over and say hi to a guy the same way Bill Gates isn’t going to flip his shit and dance down the street over finding a $10,000 bill on the ground because her entire nightlife social circle is often jacked rich good-looking dudes…plus she needs a guy who’s confident enough to approach her. A lot of the really good looking guys you see at the bar who don’t have game and like the guy who just climbed Mt Everest etc. stare at the 9s all night but end up going home with the aggressive/easy 5-7s.

Ultimately looks etc. will get you more easy invites but they don’t really matter because you still have to do the hard work if you want the really hot girls. That’s why we say “looks don’t matter”. A lot of these guys working on their looks and money are trying to get jacked and rich enough that 9s will come over and approach them. They’re trying to get Bill Gates to chase a $10,000. That $10,000 is great, but like, he has billions, he’s not going to fish that bill out of a sewer like the average person would. So they’re trying to get around having to cold approach because cold approach is scaaaaaaary! Then they get frustrated because ya they get laid by 5-7s with the occasional 8 and super rare 9 but it’s inconsistent as fuck and they don’t really get to choose. They’re trying to run passive game and hoping that table of 9s is going to come over and ask to suck their dick.

So my logic is that if I want the legit hot girls that have tons of options and turn heads, I have to approach them and express my personality to get them whether I’m jacked and rich or not. Since I have to approach them whether I’m jacked and rich, then logically it makes more sense to focus my energy on tightening my cold approach skills and get better at efficiently expressing my personality and building emotional engagement with them instead of lifting weights and working overtime.

And, plot-twist: BECAUSE I look so average, when I cold approach that peacocked 9 in a nightclub who’s used to only tall rich good-looking guys being confident enough to interact with her, this exact principle I’ve been talking about suddenly works in my favor because now I’M the peacocked one. A guy with seemingly nothing going for him approaching her confidently with game is so unusual that she’s curious. She won’t check me out from across the room by default (tho she might if I DHV a bunch in front of her), but she won’t be able to immediately categorize me when I approach because it’s so unexpected and she’ll shit-test the FUCK out of me (but what does passing shit-tests do?) but if I can run solid game on her and handle her AMOG orbiters, then I’m like some kind of celebrity level value to her because I go against all the stereotypes of what she’d expect from an average looking guy.

But by default I am invisible. Just posting this ’cause it’s something I haven’t seen people address before. On the net we all want to hype up that we’re badasses who strut into the room and all the girls’ heads turn and that that’s the guage of your game but getting eye-contact doesn’t actually mean shit in the long-run…it comes down to game. I can build higher value by getting in her face and expressing my personality than the jacked rich guy can with his passive “hope she approaches me” game. And if he has to get in her face and express his personality too, then I have more practice at that and a tighter skillset because I was working on that all those years that he was working at the gym and office. I have more experience handling rich good-looking AMOGs than he has experience handling average looking dudes with game and all it takes to get attraction is to be 1% cooler than him to the girl lol

I’ve had really good-looking wings with various skill levels, but like good-looking to where if I don’t do anything the girl will actively ignore me or brush off what I say and turn back to focus on him and I’m literally standing there looking at the back of the head of two girls while they stare up at my buddy like he’s amazing lol And that pissed me off for a while. But because it pissed me off I started getting up in the girls’ faces when it happened. And lo and behold I found that if I pro-actively get up in their grill and express myself, they’ll focus on me instead of him and on my on nights, my BUDDY was the one looking at the back of their heads while they were completely engaged/attracted to ME instead of him…the first few times that happened blew my fuckin MIND. Couldn’t believe what I was seeing, and neither could he lol

But all that was going on is that game has taught me to very efficiently express my personality and engage/captivate girls on an emotional rollercoaster quickly that hooks them and builds my value fast to where I’m higher-value than the good-looking guy who was like “so uhhh do you like coming here? that’s cool…” because he just came from the office where he worked an 80hr week and the gym where he silently worked out with his headphones on and got drunk off pre-drinking instead of heading out early and doing warm-up sets to get social and unstifled.

Now a good-looking rich guy who’s ALSO got game can have problems too, like getting put into a Provider role where the girl wants to date him instead of fuck him right away and he starts having to lie about what he does for a living and pick the girl up in an average car instead of his BMW etc. There was a thread on Rollo’s blog and one on TRP I saw recently where guys were talking about having to hide their success and make up fake jobs and shit. So if you end up having to hide that shit when you get it…then why are you reading this in the office at 11pm on a Friday night???? Go out and sarge, dumbass lol

The reality is that a good-looking rich guy who’s also got amazing game is about as rare as Michael Jordan also being better than Tiger Woods at golf and better than Bobby Fischer at chess and better than Gordan Ramsey at cooking and better than Jimi Hendrix at playing the guitar…it’s theoretically POSSIBLE, if he starts from babyhood and dedicates his life non-stop to all of those things 24/7…but realistically it’s unlikely, because there are only so many hours in the day. If you’re spending 2 hours a day at the gym to get super jacked and working 100hr work-weeks to get rich, that’s all time that you could have spent approaching girls and getting out of your comfort zone in social circles to tighten up your game so you’re not likely to have game as tight as someone like Tyler who’s spending all that time sarging. It’s just logic. The boogeyman myth of the rich good-looking badass guy who also has game is as likely as that All-Star athlete/genius/musician…and hell, even if that guy existed, you think he’s going to be down at your local pub? He’s going to be in exclusive clubs in LA and Vegas partying with Dicaprio lol Your competition is a bunch of average to above-average guys with anything from anti-game to weak-game to above-average game. If you put in the field-time and study you can dwarf them in terms of skill in a few years of hard work.



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Christ. That’s why you don’t openly talk about your open relationships (one-sided or otherwise) and harems and anti-marriage views etc. with the general public. Both men (even red pill dudes like Stern) and women are DYING to tear that shit apart. The girl can be PERFECTLY HAPPY in the relationship day to day, until you go public and she starts getting social pressure from everyone that the arrangement is suddenly bad for her and they all turn her into a victim and say shit like “why do you want her to LEARN things instead of watch TV??? You monster!”

Ridiculous shit lol This is why people don’t realize that an mLTR or one-sided oLTR etc. is possible, because the successful cases of it are top fuckin secret to avoid this, that’s why they work. The ones that go public like Gene Simmons where suddenly everyone starts pressuring the girl, fall apart so all anyone sees are the examples where it doesn’t work.

A girl will be totally fine with an arrangement until she feels like people are judging her for being totally fine with it. That clip is the perfect example of why discretion is important for out-of-the-social-norm arrangements.


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Christ. That’s why you don’t openly talk about your open relationships (one-sided or otherwise) and harems and anti-marriage views etc. with the general public. Both men (even red pill dudes like Stern) and women are DYING to tear that shit apart. The girl can be PERFECTLY HAPPY in the relationship day to day, until you go public and she starts getting social pressure from everyone that the arrangement is suddenly bad for her and they all turn her into a victim and say shit like “why do you want her to LEARN things instead of watch TV??? You monster!”

Ridiculous shit lol This is why people don’t realize that an mLTR or one-sided oLTR etc. is possible, because the successful cases of it are top fuckin secret to avoid this, that’s why they work. The ones that go public like Gene Simmons where suddenly everyone starts pressuring the girl, fall apart so all anyone sees are the examples where it doesn’t work.

A girl will be totally fine with an arrangement until she feels like people are judging her for being totally fine with it. That clip is the perfect example of why discretion is important for out-of-the-social-norm arrangements.


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“The words they’re saying are tearing him down because he’s taking them seriously as what their message is.”

You got it. His problem is two-fold:

1) He feels guilty about this situation because he’s still under social conditioning that tells him what he’s doing is wrong/abusive/etc.

2) He’s not smart enough to be discreet from day one, so now he has a shitload of drama to deal with

If he 1) accepted that his desire for sexual variety is completely normal and healthy and society’s idea that a man should only get a boner for one chick his entire life is retarded, and 2) was more discreet about all this shit so that their friends and family didn’t know they were part of a harem so they weren’t pressuring them all the time, he would be living on easy-street.

He might make it work, the girls are probably cool with some amount of drama since they stay with him through it, but it’s a recipe for disaster long-term and I don’t see a way it won’t either blow up in his face or if it succeeds long term basically be a nightmare of drama and stress 24/7. Not the type or arrangement I’d prefer lol

The way I do it, the girls know I’m probably seeing other girls but generally don’t know when or who. Basically when I’m not with them I’m doing my own thing and they understand that. If they’re someone I’m serious about then they can call me their boyfriend to their friends/family which avoids a bunch of social pressure and avoids drama for me. Girls are generally fine with being with a guy that other women want, as long as he fucks them proper and gives them the emotional rollercoasters they need and, most importantly, HE’S comfortable with the arrangement. What you feel, she feels.

@Tilikum
“Only one (Ya) besides Rollo seems to even understand any human social dynamics”

Cuz I actually go OUT. And cold approach girls. And interact with people and strangers. And befriend alpha dudes and Naturals. And wing with them. And actually apply game. lol This shit is all out there for anyone to see.

“while we discuss pablum like lifting weights and fame which are situational Alpha traits.”

These are super-cool things but they’re passive. I prefer to be pro-active. I don’t want to hope that a hot girl walks into the gym I’m in and hope that she sees my rippling muscles and hope that she likes them and hope that she comes over to sit beside me and hope that she opens me and hope that she wants to eventually at some point maybe have sex. Most guys will choose that route because it avoids risking any kind of “bad feels” lol But I want to choose the girls I get. I want to see some hottie wherever I happen to be and be able to go over to her and get her.

A guy can climb mount everest to be an alpha badass if he wants, but there’s no girls at the top of that mountain and when I put a smokin hot brunette with glowing green “fuck me” eyes in front of him at the bar, he’s gonna’ choke ’cause he spent his time climbing a mountain instead of learning how to flirt.

“Your physique/fame/money/blah/blah are POSSIBLE fitness indicators”

All that stuff is like a slutty outfit on a girl. We look at a girl dolled up in a peacocked slutty outfit and assume she’s probably a hot lay. We don’t KNOW that, we just assume that a girl who dresses slutty is probably comfortable with her sexuality and likes her body and enjoys sex etc. But we don’t KNOW that. She COULD just be a shitty frigid starfish virgin lay. But when she wears that slutty outfit it’s an instant indicator to all the men in the room that she is more likely to be a good lay than the no-makeup bookworm in a baggy turtleneck and mousy hair. That bookworm chick COULD be an incredible lay, but we glance at her and assume that it’s not likely the case.

A guy who’s tall/rich/famous/etc. is just wearing a slutty outfit to a girl. She sees that and goes “I can assume that he’s probably got alpha qualities to him because he has those external attributes”. It’s just short-hand. When I approach a girl, I’m like a 6 maybe a 7 on a good day. I’m a very average looking 5’9″ guy with a bit of a beer belly etc. Nothing remarkable at all, there are no chicks turning their heads to stare at me when I walk into a room or giggling as I pass by them hoping I’ll open them lol But I know that by expressing my personality and running game I can very quickly demonstrate all the alpha shit that a girl is attracted to, so once I get IN there, I can do the equivalent of that bookworm girl running upstairs and putting on a slutty dress. I suddenly become attractive to them.

This is also why girls are sad when a hot/rich/tall/etc. dude turns out to be lame. Because it’s like getting that slutty outfit girl home and finding out she’s a virgin saving herself for marriage. It’s a huge disappointment because you had different expectations based on those external indicators you were going on.

That’s why when you see those guys who piss & moan about “my buddy is so good looking, he gets ALL the girls, they just come up to him and ignore me!! stupid bitches!!! looks are everything!! I’m going to the gym grrr!!!”, they always sound like retarded negative fucks. Because they’ve built up this huge victim mentality and feed into it on their own to excuse their shitty results. Guess what, I’ve had PLENTY of studly-ass wingmen. Male model looking dudes, guys way more alpha badass manly than me, and girls giggle and turn their back to me to talk to them. But guess what I do then: I get up in their face and get their attention BACK. I open nearby sets, I throw drama at them, I tell them “HEY, don’t be fuckin’ rude. Introduce yourself or I won’t let you fuck my handsome buddy here.” and just be undeniable. If I’m on my game and demo’ing alpha traits despite my looks, the girls will switch to me (or pAImAI me first if my buddy’s having an off night and skulking around the bar like a vagina).

You just step up and take action. The same way that bookworm girl would have to do something to show she was a sex-pot in bed to get your interest. Nobody owes you shit, you have to take it lol

This is also why these guys are always like “My buddy isn’t even FUNNY or INTERESTING, he’s LAME but he’s hot so girls want him instead of ME, stupid bitches society needs to call these sluts out on this bullshit”. Because 1) the guy writing that isn’t nearly as interesting or fun to be around as he thinks he is, it comes out in his bitter-ass writing, and 2) guys without game experience are TERRIBLE judges of what’s attractive to girls. Half the time I’m flirting with a girl the guys who overhear us think the girl hates me or that I’m a huge asshole etc. and can’t even wrap their heads around why the girl is making out with me a few minutes later. Because they don’t get all the subcommunications and shit that are going on when you’re flirting with a girl. You can seduce a girl with just the right EYE-CONTACT and long slow pauses in what you’re saying, that shit builds sexual tension. But then that bitter fuck goes online crying about how “He didn’t even SAY anything!!! It’s such bullshit, it’s just cuz he’s taller than me! I’m such a victim waaaahh” because he has no idea about any of that.

Anybody who hasn’t experienced good looking rich dudes standing on death row at the bar, getting blown out by average girls, and going home to porn/hookers hasn’t befriended enough of those dudes and is armchair theorizing. This shit is out there every fuckin weekend for anyone to go see lol

Field is king. The field reveals all. Mentally masturbating and watching your buddy while you stand around with a drink up at your chest is not “the field”.


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“The words they’re saying are tearing him down because he’s taking them seriously as what their message is.”

You got it. His problem is two-fold:

1) He feels guilty about this situation because he’s still under social conditioning that tells him what he’s doing is wrong/abusive/etc.

2) He’s not smart enough to be discreet from day one, so now he has a shitload of drama to deal with

If he 1) accepted that his desire for sexual variety is completely normal and healthy and society’s idea that a man should only get a boner for one chick his entire life is retarded, and 2) was more discreet about all this shit so that their friends and family didn’t know they were part of a harem so they weren’t pressuring them all the time, he would be living on easy-street.

He might make it work, the girls are probably cool with some amount of drama since they stay with him through it, but it’s a recipe for disaster long-term and I don’t see a way it won’t either blow up in his face or if it succeeds long term basically be a nightmare of drama and stress 24/7. Not the type or arrangement I’d prefer lol

The way I do it, the girls know I’m probably seeing other girls but generally don’t know when or who. Basically when I’m not with them I’m doing my own thing and they understand that. If they’re someone I’m serious about then they can call me their boyfriend to their friends/family which avoids a bunch of social pressure and avoids drama for me. Girls are generally fine with being with a guy that other women want, as long as he fucks them proper and gives them the emotional rollercoasters they need and, most importantly, HE’S comfortable with the arrangement. What you feel, she feels.

@Tilikum
“Only one (Ya) besides Rollo seems to even understand any human social dynamics”

Cuz I actually go OUT. And cold approach girls. And interact with people and strangers. And befriend alpha dudes and Naturals. And wing with them. And actually apply game. lol This shit is all out there for anyone to see.

“while we discuss pablum like lifting weights and fame which are situational Alpha traits.”

These are super-cool things but they’re passive. I prefer to be pro-active. I don’t want to hope that a hot girl walks into the gym I’m in and hope that she sees my rippling muscles and hope that she likes them and hope that she comes over to sit beside me and hope that she opens me and hope that she wants to eventually at some point maybe have sex. Most guys will choose that route because it avoids risking any kind of “bad feels” lol But I want to choose the girls I get. I want to see some hottie wherever I happen to be and be able to go over to her and get her.

A guy can climb mount everest to be an alpha badass if he wants, but there’s no girls at the top of that mountain and when I put a smokin hot brunette with glowing green “fuck me” eyes in front of him at the bar, he’s gonna’ choke ’cause he spent his time climbing a mountain instead of learning how to flirt.

“Your physique/fame/money/blah/blah are POSSIBLE fitness indicators”

All that stuff is like a slutty outfit on a girl. We look at a girl dolled up in a peacocked slutty outfit and assume she’s probably a hot lay. We don’t KNOW that, we just assume that a girl who dresses slutty is probably comfortable with her sexuality and likes her body and enjoys sex etc. But we don’t KNOW that. She COULD just be a shitty frigid starfish virgin lay. But when she wears that slutty outfit it’s an instant indicator to all the men in the room that she is more likely to be a good lay than the no-makeup bookworm in a baggy turtleneck and mousy hair. That bookworm chick COULD be an incredible lay, but we glance at her and assume that it’s not likely the case.

A guy who’s tall/rich/famous/etc. is just wearing a slutty outfit to a girl. She sees that and goes “I can assume that he’s probably got alpha qualities to him because he has those external attributes”. It’s just short-hand. When I approach a girl, I’m like a 6 maybe a 7 on a good day. I’m a very average looking 5’9″ guy with a bit of a beer belly etc. Nothing remarkable at all, there are no chicks turning their heads to stare at me when I walk into a room or giggling as I pass by them hoping I’ll open them lol But I know that by expressing my personality and running game I can very quickly demonstrate all the alpha shit that a girl is attracted to, so once I get IN there, I can do the equivalent of that bookworm girl running upstairs and putting on a slutty dress. I suddenly become attractive to them.

This is also why girls are sad when a hot/rich/tall/etc. dude turns out to be lame. Because it’s like getting that slutty outfit girl home and finding out she’s a virgin saving herself for marriage. It’s a huge disappointment because you had different expectations based on those external indicators you were going on.

That’s why when you see those guys who piss & moan about “my buddy is so good looking, he gets ALL the girls, they just come up to him and ignore me!! stupid bitches!!! looks are everything!! I’m going to the gym grrr!!!”, they always sound like retarded negative fucks. Because they’ve built up this huge victim mentality and feed into it on their own to excuse their shitty results. Guess what, I’ve had PLENTY of studly-ass wingmen. Male model looking dudes, guys way more alpha badass manly than me, and girls giggle and turn their back to me to talk to them. But guess what I do then: I get up in their face and get their attention BACK. I open nearby sets, I throw drama at them, I tell them “HEY, don’t be fuckin’ rude. Introduce yourself or I won’t let you fuck my handsome buddy here.” and just be undeniable. If I’m on my game and demo’ing alpha traits despite my looks, the girls will switch to me (or pAImAI me first if my buddy’s having an off night and skulking around the bar like a vagina).

You just step up and take action. The same way that bookworm girl would have to do something to show she was a sex-pot in bed to get your interest. Nobody owes you shit, you have to take it lol

This is also why these guys are always like “My buddy isn’t even FUNNY or INTERESTING, he’s LAME but he’s hot so girls want him instead of ME, stupid bitches society needs to call these sluts out on this bullshit”. Because 1) the guy writing that isn’t nearly as interesting or fun to be around as he thinks he is, it comes out in his bitter-ass writing, and 2) guys without game experience are TERRIBLE judges of what’s attractive to girls. Half the time I’m flirting with a girl the guys who overhear us think the girl hates me or that I’m a huge asshole etc. and can’t even wrap their heads around why the girl is making out with me a few minutes later. Because they don’t get all the subcommunications and shit that are going on when you’re flirting with a girl. You can seduce a girl with just the right EYE-CONTACT and long slow pauses in what you’re saying, that shit builds sexual tension. But then that bitter fuck goes online crying about how “He didn’t even SAY anything!!! It’s such bullshit, it’s just cuz he’s taller than me! I’m such a victim waaaahh” because he has no idea about any of that.

Anybody who hasn’t experienced good looking rich dudes standing on death row at the bar, getting blown out by average girls, and going home to porn/hookers hasn’t befriended enough of those dudes and is armchair theorizing. This shit is out there every fuckin weekend for anyone to go see lol

Field is king. The field reveals all. Mentally masturbating and watching your buddy while you stand around with a drink up at your chest is not “the field”.


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“I have to strongly disagree with that. Those are the traits that women look for in a mate based on millions of years of evolution. That is a strong indication that those traits are objectively superior.”

They look for those traits because those traits are external indicators that the guy probably has attractive alpha qualities, not because those traits are, themselves, inherently attractive.

All pickup does is show guys how to purposely demonstrate having those attractive alpha qualities that tall/rich/famous also indicate a guy probably has.

Any poor fat short guy with a hot girl, and any tall rich good-looking dude who doesn’t get laid when he goes out, demonstrate that those traits are not objectively superior because they’re not consistent and those situations happen all the time. If those things were consistent then girls would all have pics of Ronnie Coleman in their locker at school. When something isn’t consistent you have to drill further into “why does this sometimes work but sometimes NOT work? Why do girls want to fuck Tom Cruise but not Bill Gates? Why can 5’9″ ugly balding ginger Tyler take girls off taller better looking dudes in a club? How could Cupid Shmupid on YouTube or the Simple Pickup guys ever get laid? Girls should be walking past them to go hit on the tall jacked rich guy up the street.”

You keep drilling into why something sometimes does and sometimes doesn’t work until you find something that IS a consistent principle, like: “dominance is alpha/attractive” which is true whether the guy is tall or short, rich or poor, etc. That’s a consistent principle and a lot of PUA teaching is built off that consistent principle. All PUA is doing is teaching guys to demonstrate that consistent principle quickly in the interaction. The tall guy is LIKELY to be dominant, so she’ll check him out over the short guy, but if the short guy steps up and actively demonstrates dominance and the tall guy is a chode, the short guy gets the attraction because “dominance is alpha/attractive” is a consistent principle.


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“I have to strongly disagree with that. Those are the traits that women look for in a mate based on millions of years of evolution. That is a strong indication that those traits are objectively superior.”

They look for those traits because those traits are external indicators that the guy probably has attractive alpha qualities, not because those traits are, themselves, inherently attractive.

All pickup does is show guys how to purposely demonstrate having those attractive alpha qualities that tall/rich/famous also indicate a guy probably has.

Any poor fat short guy with a hot girl, and any tall rich good-looking dude who doesn’t get laid when he goes out, demonstrate that those traits are not objectively superior because they’re not consistent and those situations happen all the time. If those things were consistent then girls would all have pics of Ronnie Coleman in their locker at school. When something isn’t consistent you have to drill further into “why does this sometimes work but sometimes NOT work? Why do girls want to fuck Tom Cruise but not Bill Gates? Why can 5’9″ ugly balding ginger Tyler take girls off taller better looking dudes in a club? How could Cupid Shmupid on YouTube or the Simple Pickup guys ever get laid? Girls should be walking past them to go hit on the tall jacked rich guy up the street.”

You keep drilling into why something sometimes does and sometimes doesn’t work until you find something that IS a consistent principle, like: “dominance is alpha/attractive” which is true whether the guy is tall or short, rich or poor, etc. That’s a consistent principle and a lot of PUA teaching is built off that consistent principle. All PUA is doing is teaching guys to demonstrate that consistent principle quickly in the interaction. The tall guy is LIKELY to be dominant, so she’ll check him out over the short guy, but if the short guy steps up and actively demonstrates dominance and the tall guy is a chode, the short guy gets the attraction because “dominance is alpha/attractive” is a consistent principle.


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Rollo you have the patience of a saint lol


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Your sales analogy falls apart because you fundamentally don’t understand what the customer values. That’s why no one can get it through your head. We are trying to tell you that the girls don’t care about how many slices of bread the toaster you’re selling can cook at a time or how the timer automatically detects when the bread is done, and you’re sitting there going “I don’t get it, if they want to buy a toaster it’s because they want to make as much perfectly browned toast as possible! Guys, listen, they want to make lots of toasted bread as fast as possible so you need to have more slots and this timer feature otherwise you’re an inferior product”.

You literally don’t understand what women want. That’s why you can’t explain why average guys can get hot girls chasing them long-term (REJECTING rich and better-looking guys for them). Or why you can’t explain how a pimp who isn’t even fucking his girls, has them giving them the money they earn trying to chase his approval. You can’t understand why the customer would choose to buy “shitty” toasters because you don’t understand that what the customer wants isn’t to make as much perfect browned toast as possible. You probably can’t explain why all those “married to the rich tall good-looking dude” women are fucking the poolboy 5 years in or divorcing those dudes.

That’s why you do your little “hehe I’m not sure he’s quite accurate about his stories tra la la” shit. Because what he’s describing (and what any guy who goes out enough will see in-field over and over) doesn’t fit in your armchair theory of how you think the world should work and it’s easier to just try to discredit him than accept the possiblity that you literally have no idea what you’re talking about and walked into a conversation where you’re talking way out of your paygrade.

Like, you would show up and see a girl’s broken dirty “only occasionally works and sometimes electrocutes her” toaster and swoop in to replace it with your shiny brand new digital timer toaster and be unable to comprehend why she’s upset because you don’t get that that shitty toaster has some deep feels-based appeal to her that isn’t logically apparent. She’s freaking out that you threw out that toaster that meant everything to her and you’re going “durrr I dun get it?? You can make more toast now!!” She doesn’t even LIKE toast.

Until you understand what women actually want, to their core, you will never be able to answer those questions because you are working from the wrong paradigm from the start, and guys like myself will continue to stunt across your theories.

@whoever said intelligence is a handicap…Sun I think? I’m too lazy to scroll
Intelligence fucking rules. It means once you DO figure out how to get the fuck out of your own way (the biggest problem with it), you are built to adapt and improve faster than stupid people. A smart guy with no game gets fuck all. A dumb guy with game gets good results. A smart guy WITH game gets absurd results…it takes longer to learn and there are a lot more mental “c’mon, work WITH me not AGAINST me, brain!!” internal battles but the end result is worth it. My PUA buddy and I have basically cut out drinking these days because we want our minds sharp as fuck in-field (plus we’re mid-30s now and need to care about our health more). My mind is calculating a billion little nuances a second in an interaction like the dude from Limitless. But that’s because I’ve gone out and spend enough time in-field socializing and cold-approaching that I’ve learned to focus all that over-thinking into a productive channel in an interaction. Anyone can do it, but you can’t do it from your computer chair. You gotta’ go out and pound the pavement and give your brain “proof not promises”. When you get there, time slows down in interactions, feels just like in that Limitless flick. Do you always get the girls? No, but when you don’t you can pinpoint EXACTLY why and work on fixing it if it’s a consistent sticking point, because you’re intelligent and self-aware enough to spot the fuckup and run it through your computer brain of PUA knowledge.

If you have one of those “can’t stop thinking” brains, read Mystery Method and watch videos from Tyler, Todd and Julien from RSD but really Mystery Method is the golden fuckin bible of game. Those guys’ teaching style is technical-based and it gives your brain shit to calculate and obsess over since it’s going to cacluate and obsess over SOMETHING. That old-school shit was great for over-thinkers. Commercialized PUA started dumbing things down because it’s easier to teach and most guys are retarded or don’t have the attention span to read and watch Mystery Method in-depth, but for a guy who can’t turn his brain off that style of “just be the party, just go in and feel like a boss” is torture ’cause his brain goes “I don’t get it, HOW do I be the party? What are the exact steps to be the party and what IS a “party” exactly in this context? Is a party the same at a bar as an office environment? How do I feel like a boss? What rational justification do I have for feeling like a boss? If I objectively compare my attributes to the guy beside me logically he should feel like more of a boss than me.” lol Like I can’t relate to certain PUA teachers who focus on less tech-heavy ways of teaching this stuff, I need the computer-robot-brain stuff because my brain is whirring (that’s why I can spit out long-ass comments like this, I type as fast as I think and it all just spits out…these don’t take me long to write at all I just take breaks and brain-dump my comments out (that’s also why my writing is sloppy and jumps around in thoughts lol).

Like Forge the Sky just wrote:
“Let me second the sentiment, Tillikum, that you tend to use so few words that it’s hard to learn from you. I admire your commentary here, but don’t always know how I might apply it.”

Some guys (especially Naturals) don’t articulate what they’re thinking/doing in a way that’s easy for over-thinkers to grasp (whereas a more feels-based dude would be like “Right on, bro, Tilikum spits the truth!”) so this situation happens where it’s like “man it sounds like there’s some kind of wisdom in that but I have no idea how to apply it”.

Gotta find the teacher/writing that gels with your thought processes or you’ll spin your wheels. Read Mystery Method AND watch all the MM vids on YouTube of Mystery’s seminars. That shit is built for over-thinkers ’cause Mystery is one himself.

“4. Learn the body language and subtext of flirt like it’s a second, fluid language. Learn to see what she is NOT doing and feed that.”
“What are examples of what she is not doing? What do you feed that lack of what she’s not doing in a sales world?”

Women communicate via subcommunication, not the overt surface level shit, when it comes to flirting/attraction. Guys have problems with this because we communicate on a surface level. If I say I’m happy it probably means I’m happy. If a girl says she’s happy it can mean a million fucking things under the surface. This is a huge hurdle, especially for intellectual/technical guys who’s hobbies/careers/friendships/etc. are usually based around surface level straight-forward communication.

Some examples off the top of my head:

1) If I ask a girl “do you have a boyfriend?” and she says “yes”, that doesn’t really mean anything. HOW did she say “yes”, what was her tone of voice like? Did she sound enthused about it or disappointed about it? Did I have to pry it out of her or did she offer it up immediately when we first started talking? How “yes” IS that “yes” REALLY? If I push a little further does she ever bring it up again or does she forget about it? If she doesn’t walk away and keeps talking to me and keeps giving me iois and doesn’t mention her boyfriend again then she was just doing an obligatory “this isn’t my fault if we have sex, I TOLD HIM I had a boyfriend just like a good girlfriend should so I have no responsibility for this happening” and will probably fuck me. All the stuff she’s doing beneath the surface and AROUND that “yes” tell me the information I need to know.

2) When a girl says “I hate you!!” or “You’re such a jerk!!” and punches you in the arm, but DOESN’T LEAVE, she likes you. She may hate what you did in that moment but it gave her an emotional tingle of some sort and she’s drawn to that. That’s why she doesn’t leave. If you were a smelly homeless person trying to rape her, she would walk away. But if she arm-punches you and then doesn’t leave and asks you a question or tries to shit-test you more, she’s telling you she likes you by NOT walking away. She just wouldn’t engage you if you weren’t on some level emotionally engaging her, the same way you might ignore a homeless person you know is just going to waste your time.

3) When you get solid eye-contact with a girl, often the surface level conversation dies off to just half-sentences that trail off and you both feel crazy intense chemistry. You can purposely spark this (YouTube Liam McRae Rapid Escalation and check my archive for the related Gambler and Robbie Williams videos on laser eye-contact). But what’s happening here is that you both switch to subcommunications…My way of describing it is it’s like you two are sitting at a table talking to eachother but having a secret text message conversation on your phones below the table that other people can’t read. So you’re kind of semi-maintaining that surface-level conversation but it sounds stupid to people listening and you’re not really paying attention to what eachother is actually saying, because you’re engaged in that text convo that’s all feels-based through your eye-contact. When you understand this you can seduce girls who don’t even speak your language, because the subcommunication level is universal.

@sifrellc
“1. “Disappearing” in sales is nothing unlike a woman flaking on you. She does it because she can. Guess what, you have to work harder. No surprise there.”

Women flaking can be DRASTICALLY reduced by forcing her to invest more in the interaction. These days women’s entitlement and abundance mentality has been ramped up through the roof because of Facebook Instagram Tinder cell phones etc. So you have to get them to invest even MORE.

Skip to like 5 min into this vid and watch to the end:

Julien has taken Mystery’s devalidation/qualifying and stacked it and ramped it up hard, which is necessary these days. This shit makes a HUGE difference in flaking. This is the transition from A2 (female to male interest, her showing iois to you) to A3 (qualifying her, then when she passes your qualifications reward her with “male to female interest”) for Mystery Method fans. People want a return on their investment, if she doesn’t have to invest or work to get your number then you aren’t worth anything. If she has to go through hell to get your number she’s not going to flake because she invested a shit-load into getting that opportunity to be with you. It would be like the difference between someone giving you a new car VS you working your entire life to save up penny by penny for that new car…one of them you won’t give a shit if you bump into a fire hydrant, the other you will be paranoid to drive out of your garage incase a speck of dust gets on it.

Most guys chase girls for their number and don’t qualify them at all or make them invest and earn them in any way, they just hound and plow them for the number and call that a victory…then the girl flakes and they don’t get why their results are so inconsistent. Then they make fun of Mystery because he’s “just that fuzzy hat guy lololz PUA is gay” even tho he explains everything that would help them lol

@that chick pretending to be a dude
Deida’s writing is super gay, I tried reading his book but it was too flowery feels-based for me and I had to quit after a couple pages lol PUA gives no fucks what Tony Robbins does with his life or where the information we use comes from. Tony could murder babies, Sue Walsh could write Mystery Method, it doesn’t matter, all that matters is what works. WOMEN look at “well who’s PROVIDING the information??”, that’s why their style of arguing is always to try to discredit the speaker (hi, Feminism) and why they want the Manosphere to go public with their identities…men take in information from any source and go TEST AND APPLY IT and see what really holds up under pressure-testing (hi, Red Pill community in general). It doesn’t matter if PUA is being taught by a 300lbs neckbeard virgin or Hugh Hefner himself the concepts hold up in-field when pressure-tested. It’s not theory, it’s reverse-engineered human behavior. If we collected enough data from hundreds of thousands of dudes’ combined reference experiences and comparing notes and found that girls liked guys with black hair more than blonde hair we would be the FIRST ones to tell guys to go dye their hair black.


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@zdroids
Your sales analogy falls apart because you fundamentally don’t understand what the customer values. That’s why no one can get it through your head. We are trying to tell you that the girls don’t care about how many slices of bread the toaster you’re selling can cook at a time or how the timer automatically detects when the bread is done, and you’re sitting there going “I don’t get it, if they want to buy a toaster it’s because they want to make as much perfectly browned toast as possible! Guys, listen, they want to make lots of toasted bread as fast as possible so you need to have more slots and this timer feature otherwise you’re an inferior product”.

You literally don’t understand what women want. That’s why you can’t explain why average guys can get hot girls chasing them long-term (REJECTING rich and better-looking guys for them). Or why you can’t explain how a pimp who isn’t even fucking his girls, has them giving them the money they earn trying to chase his approval. You can’t understand why the customer would choose to buy “shitty” toasters because you don’t understand that what the customer wants isn’t to make as much perfect browned toast as possible. You probably can’t explain why all those “married to the rich tall good-looking dude” women are fucking the poolboy 5 years in or divorcing those dudes.

That’s why you do your little “hehe I’m not sure he’s quite accurate about his stories tra la la” shit. Because what he’s describing (and what any guy who goes out enough will see in-field over and over) doesn’t fit in your armchair theory of how you think the world should work and it’s easier to just try to discredit him than accept the possiblity that you literally have no idea what you’re talking about and walked into a conversation where you’re talking way out of your paygrade.

Like, you would show up and see a girl’s broken dirty “only occasionally works and sometimes electrocutes her” toaster and swoop in to replace it with your shiny brand new digital timer toaster and be unable to comprehend why she’s upset because you don’t get that that shitty toaster has some deep feels-based appeal to her that isn’t logically apparent. She’s freaking out that you threw out that toaster that meant everything to her and you’re going “durrr I dun get it?? You can make more toast now!!” She doesn’t even LIKE toast.

Until you understand what women actually want, to their core, you will never be able to answer those questions because you are working from the wrong paradigm from the start, and guys like myself will continue to stunt across your theories.

@whoever said intelligence is a handicap…Sun I think? I’m too lazy to scroll
Intelligence fucking rules. It means once you DO figure out how to get the fuck out of your own way (the biggest problem with it), you are built to adapt and improve faster than stupid people. A smart guy with no game gets fuck all. A dumb guy with game gets good results. A smart guy WITH game gets absurd results…it takes longer to learn and there are a lot more mental “c’mon, work WITH me not AGAINST me, brain!!” internal battles but the end result is worth it. My PUA buddy and I have basically cut out drinking these days because we want our minds sharp as fuck in-field (plus we’re mid-30s now and need to care about our health more). My mind is calculating a billion little nuances a second in an interaction like the dude from Limitless. But that’s because I’ve gone out and spend enough time in-field socializing and cold-approaching that I’ve learned to focus all that over-thinking into a productive channel in an interaction. Anyone can do it, but you can’t do it from your computer chair. You gotta’ go out and pound the pavement and give your brain “proof not promises”. When you get there, time slows down in interactions, feels just like in that Limitless flick. Do you always get the girls? No, but when you don’t you can pinpoint EXACTLY why and work on fixing it if it’s a consistent sticking point, because you’re intelligent and self-aware enough to spot the fuckup and run it through your computer brain of PUA knowledge.

If you have one of those “can’t stop thinking” brains, read Mystery Method and watch videos from Tyler, Todd and Julien from RSD but really Mystery Method is the golden fuckin bible of game. Those guys’ teaching style is technical-based and it gives your brain shit to calculate and obsess over since it’s going to cacluate and obsess over SOMETHING. That old-school shit was great for over-thinkers. Commercialized PUA started dumbing things down because it’s easier to teach and most guys are retarded or don’t have the attention span to read and watch Mystery Method in-depth, but for a guy who can’t turn his brain off that style of “just be the party, just go in and feel like a boss” is torture ’cause his brain goes “I don’t get it, HOW do I be the party? What are the exact steps to be the party and what IS a “party” exactly in this context? Is a party the same at a bar as an office environment? How do I feel like a boss? What rational justification do I have for feeling like a boss? If I objectively compare my attributes to the guy beside me logically he should feel like more of a boss than me.” lol Like I can’t relate to certain PUA teachers who focus on less tech-heavy ways of teaching this stuff, I need the computer-robot-brain stuff because my brain is whirring (that’s why I can spit out long-ass comments like this, I type as fast as I think and it all just spits out…these don’t take me long to write at all I just take breaks and brain-dump my comments out (that’s also why my writing is sloppy and jumps around in thoughts lol).

Like Forge the Sky just wrote:
“Let me second the sentiment, Tillikum, that you tend to use so few words that it’s hard to learn from you. I admire your commentary here, but don’t always know how I might apply it.”

Some guys (especially Naturals) don’t articulate what they’re thinking/doing in a way that’s easy for over-thinkers to grasp (whereas a more feels-based dude would be like “Right on, bro, Tilikum spits the truth!”) so this situation happens where it’s like “man it sounds like there’s some kind of wisdom in that but I have no idea how to apply it”.

Gotta find the teacher/writing that gels with your thought processes or you’ll spin your wheels. Read Mystery Method AND watch all the MM vids on YouTube of Mystery’s seminars. That shit is built for over-thinkers ’cause Mystery is one himself.

“4. Learn the body language and subtext of flirt like it’s a second, fluid language. Learn to see what she is NOT doing and feed that.”
“What are examples of what she is not doing? What do you feed that lack of what she’s not doing in a sales world?”

Women communicate via subcommunication, not the overt surface level shit, when it comes to flirting/attraction. Guys have problems with this because we communicate on a surface level. If I say I’m happy it probably means I’m happy. If a girl says she’s happy it can mean a million fucking things under the surface. This is a huge hurdle, especially for intellectual/technical guys who’s hobbies/careers/friendships/etc. are usually based around surface level straight-forward communication.

Some examples off the top of my head:

1) If I ask a girl “do you have a boyfriend?” and she says “yes”, that doesn’t really mean anything. HOW did she say “yes”, what was her tone of voice like? Did she sound enthused about it or disappointed about it? Did I have to pry it out of her or did she offer it up immediately when we first started talking? How “yes” IS that “yes” REALLY? If I push a little further does she ever bring it up again or does she forget about it? If she doesn’t walk away and keeps talking to me and keeps giving me iois and doesn’t mention her boyfriend again then she was just doing an obligatory “this isn’t my fault if we have sex, I TOLD HIM I had a boyfriend just like a good girlfriend should so I have no responsibility for this happening” and will probably fuck me. All the stuff she’s doing beneath the surface and AROUND that “yes” tell me the information I need to know.

2) When a girl says “I hate you!!” or “You’re such a jerk!!” and punches you in the arm, but DOESN’T LEAVE, she likes you. She may hate what you did in that moment but it gave her an emotional tingle of some sort and she’s drawn to that. That’s why she doesn’t leave. If you were a smelly homeless person trying to rape her, she would walk away. But if she arm-punches you and then doesn’t leave and asks you a question or tries to shit-test you more, she’s telling you she likes you by NOT walking away. She just wouldn’t engage you if you weren’t on some level emotionally engaging her, the same way you might ignore a homeless person you know is just going to waste your time.

3) When you get solid eye-contact with a girl, often the surface level conversation dies off to just half-sentences that trail off and you both feel crazy intense chemistry. You can purposely spark this (YouTube Liam McRae Rapid Escalation and check my archive for the related Gambler and Robbie Williams videos on laser eye-contact). But what’s happening here is that you both switch to subcommunications…My way of describing it is it’s like you two are sitting at a table talking to eachother but having a secret text message conversation on your phones below the table that other people can’t read. So you’re kind of semi-maintaining that surface-level conversation but it sounds stupid to people listening and you’re not really paying attention to what eachother is actually saying, because you’re engaged in that text convo that’s all feels-based through your eye-contact. When you understand this you can seduce girls who don’t even speak your language, because the subcommunication level is universal.

@sifrellc
“1. “Disappearing” in sales is nothing unlike a woman flaking on you. She does it because she can. Guess what, you have to work harder. No surprise there.”

Women flaking can be DRASTICALLY reduced by forcing her to invest more in the interaction. These days women’s entitlement and abundance mentality has been ramped up through the roof because of Facebook Instagram Tinder cell phones etc. So you have to get them to invest even MORE.

Skip to like 5 min into this vid and watch to the end:

Julien has taken Mystery’s devalidation/qualifying and stacked it and ramped it up hard, which is necessary these days. This shit makes a HUGE difference in flaking. This is the transition from A2 (female to male interest, her showing iois to you) to A3 (qualifying her, then when she passes your qualifications reward her with “male to female interest”) for Mystery Method fans. People want a return on their investment, if she doesn’t have to invest or work to get your number then you aren’t worth anything. If she has to go through hell to get your number she’s not going to flake because she invested a shit-load into getting that opportunity to be with you. It would be like the difference between someone giving you a new car VS you working your entire life to save up penny by penny for that new car…one of them you won’t give a shit if you bump into a fire hydrant, the other you will be paranoid to drive out of your garage incase a speck of dust gets on it.

Most guys chase girls for their number and don’t qualify them at all or make them invest and earn them in any way, they just hound and plow them for the number and call that a victory…then the girl flakes and they don’t get why their results are so inconsistent. Then they make fun of Mystery because he’s “just that fuzzy hat guy lololz PUA is gay” even tho he explains everything that would help them lol

@that chick pretending to be a dude
Deida’s writing is super gay, I tried reading his book but it was too flowery feels-based for me and I had to quit after a couple pages lol PUA gives no fucks what Tony Robbins does with his life or where the information we use comes from. Tony could murder babies, Sue Walsh could write Mystery Method, it doesn’t matter, all that matters is what works. WOMEN look at “well who’s PROVIDING the information??”, that’s why their style of arguing is always to try to discredit the speaker (hi, Feminism) and why they want the Manosphere to go public with their identities…men take in information from any source and go TEST AND APPLY IT and see what really holds up under pressure-testing (hi, Red Pill community in general). It doesn’t matter if PUA is being taught by a 300lbs neckbeard virgin or Hugh Hefner himself the concepts hold up in-field when pressure-tested. It’s not theory, it’s reverse-engineered human behavior. If we collected enough data from hundreds of thousands of dudes’ combined reference experiences and comparing notes and found that girls liked guys with black hair more than blonde hair we would be the FIRST ones to tell guys to go dye their hair black.


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Tyler on looks:

Tyler on money:

Some of Tyler’s VAST credentials:

Look at this sexy 5’7″ balding ginger Adonis:

http://rs1104.pbsrc.com/albums/h329/vbbb199/TheJestersBlogOwenCookTylerDurdenPUA_zps59730c48.jpg~c200

srsly, go pirate The Blueprint, Tyler encourages it.


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Tyler on looks:

Tyler on money:

Some of Tyler’s VAST credentials:

Look at this sexy 5’7″ balding ginger Adonis:

http://rs1104.pbsrc.com/albums/h329/vbbb199/TheJestersBlogOwenCookTylerDurdenPUA_zps59730c48.jpg~c200

srsly, go pirate The Blueprint, Tyler encourages it.


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@zdroidz
“Women want a man of abundance.”

You’re looking at the surface level again, just like I tried to get through to you before.

They want a man who gives them an emotional rollercoaster of ups and downs. A man with abundance GIVES them that emotional rollercoaster because he’s naturally running dread game by having options besides her, so she gets to worry that he’ll leave her and be happy when he doesn’t. It’s the same reason chicks love Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey and Soap Operas and gossip mags and Jezebel, they love the emotional ups and downs of it. It’s hard-wired shit.

A man faking abundance with women gives them that same emotional rollercoaster, that’s why they can’t tell the difference between the two guys. It’s not the abundance that they care about, it’s the result OF that abundance, which is the emotional rollercoaster they get to ride on. But it doesn’t fit your armchair logic theory so you classify those girls as dumb. So far we have guys like me and kfg are all making up stories, everyone who gets hot girls is paying them and all girls who still get with guys who don’t fit your idea are all dumb. Anything else you want to sweep under the rug to avoid confronting the idea that your theory doesn’t hold up against ABUNDANT real-world examples?

That’s why they’ll cheat on a guy who has tons of money, is super-handsome, tall, etc. but falls into the beta niceguy frame, because he stops giving her emotional feels. He becomes a dialtone to her and she starts seeking that emotional up and down elsewhere. Next thing you know she’s fucking her boss at work (ooo, danger! scandal!! he has power! she could get fired! what if someone finds out! omg!!).

It’s not what he has that’s attractive to her, it’s what having it results in that attracts her.

It’s not the toaster’s quality that’s attractive, it’s not the toast it can provide her, it’s the FEELINGS she feels when she’s cooking that matter.

Forest for the trees, dude.


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@zdroidz
“Women want a man of abundance.”

You’re looking at the surface level again, just like I tried to get through to you before.

They want a man who gives them an emotional rollercoaster of ups and downs. A man with abundance GIVES them that emotional rollercoaster because he’s naturally running dread game by having options besides her, so she gets to worry that he’ll leave her and be happy when he doesn’t. It’s the same reason chicks love Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey and Soap Operas and gossip mags and Jezebel, they love the emotional ups and downs of it. It’s hard-wired shit.

A man faking abundance with women gives them that same emotional rollercoaster, that’s why they can’t tell the difference between the two guys. It’s not the abundance that they care about, it’s the result OF that abundance, which is the emotional rollercoaster they get to ride on. But it doesn’t fit your armchair logic theory so you classify those girls as dumb. So far we have guys like me and kfg are all making up stories, everyone who gets hot girls is paying them and all girls who still get with guys who don’t fit your idea are all dumb. Anything else you want to sweep under the rug to avoid confronting the idea that your theory doesn’t hold up against ABUNDANT real-world examples?

That’s why they’ll cheat on a guy who has tons of money, is super-handsome, tall, etc. but falls into the beta niceguy frame, because he stops giving her emotional feels. He becomes a dialtone to her and she starts seeking that emotional up and down elsewhere. Next thing you know she’s fucking her boss at work (ooo, danger! scandal!! he has power! she could get fired! what if someone finds out! omg!!).

It’s not what he has that’s attractive to her, it’s what having it results in that attracts her.

It’s not the toaster’s quality that’s attractive, it’s not the toast it can provide her, it’s the FEELINGS she feels when she’s cooking that matter.

Forest for the trees, dude.


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@zdroidz
“But some guys write from the point of view that all they need is game and building a better product is for suckers.”

Who? Quote them. Who in the PUA community, Manosphere, or TRP community is telling guys not to build a better product WHILE learning game? Point em out, let’s see it. Since it’s so abundant that you’ve wasted everyone’s time for 4 pages of nonsense it should be easy to find a bunch of quotes.

Of the top of my head I can link you multiple videos of guys in each of those communities stressing that men should work on their value WHILE they learn game.

You’re full of shit and probably don’t get called out on it in real life, but this isn’t a hugbox. You spout nonsense that goes against the experience of men who go out and do this shit regularly and you better be prepared to back it up and fill in all the loopholes.


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@zdroidz
“But some guys write from the point of view that all they need is game and building a better product is for suckers.”

Who? Quote them. Who in the PUA community, Manosphere, or TRP community is telling guys not to build a better product WHILE learning game? Point em out, let’s see it. Since it’s so abundant that you’ve wasted everyone’s time for 4 pages of nonsense it should be easy to find a bunch of quotes.

Of the top of my head I can link you multiple videos of guys in each of those communities stressing that men should work on their value WHILE they learn game.

You’re full of shit and probably don’t get called out on it in real life, but this isn’t a hugbox. You spout nonsense that goes against the experience of men who go out and do this shit regularly and you better be prepared to back it up and fill in all the loopholes.


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@zdroidz
See what you don’t get is that what you do HURTS men. Your ignorance you blather on about fucks up guys’ lives because they come check these communities out looking for answers but don’t know who to believe yet and you sound really super adamant in what you’re saying and it really jives with their current fucked up socially conditioned world view that hasn’t gotten them fuck all in life, so they latch onto your bullshit because it’s the nice comfortable safe easy explanation. Then they can go back to their shitty lives and never look deeper into this stuff and never go out and work on it. They just put in a few more hours at the gym or a few more hours at the office and you give no fucks because you don’t REALLY care about helping them. All you care about is mentally masturbating for eProps.


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@zdroidz
See what you don’t get is that what you do HURTS men. Your ignorance you blather on about fucks up guys’ lives because they come check these communities out looking for answers but don’t know who to believe yet and you sound really super adamant in what you’re saying and it really jives with their current fucked up socially conditioned world view that hasn’t gotten them fuck all in life, so they latch onto your bullshit because it’s the nice comfortable safe easy explanation. Then they can go back to their shitty lives and never look deeper into this stuff and never go out and work on it. They just put in a few more hours at the gym or a few more hours at the office and you give no fucks because you don’t REALLY care about helping them. All you care about is mentally masturbating for eProps.


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@MYG
“LOL @ Julien’s video. “You are awesome, you are funny, you amuse me and you’re a great kisser!!!”

That wasn’t scripted at all. Totally organic”

Skip to a minute earlier where he’s creating investment by pretending to walk away and tells her to tell him why she likes him then rewards her for doing so. This is basic human psychology. All you’re doing is proving the people who are suspicious about you right.

“He looks and acts like a flighty teenager. Flaling arms. No center of gravity. Completely unmasculine. Not thorough.”

More credentials:

Here, I’ll even give you ammo. Here’s their flamingly gayest instructor, this guy makes a Disney princess look like a lumberjack:

Oh shit, how are these guys doing this?? IT’S ALL SCRIPTED!! THEY PAID THEM!!

YouTube Simple Pickup, Cupid Shmupid. Oh god, they’re all paying these girls, these guys couldn’t get laid it’s not possible!! They aren’t 6’4″ masculine rich jocks!!

“Ross Jeffries is at least a grown ass masculine man.”

lol where’s that Seinfeld gif again…


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@MYG
“LOL @ Julien’s video. “You are awesome, you are funny, you amuse me and you’re a great kisser!!!”

That wasn’t scripted at all. Totally organic”

Skip to a minute earlier where he’s creating investment by pretending to walk away and tells her to tell him why she likes him then rewards her for doing so. This is basic human psychology. All you’re doing is proving the people who are suspicious about you right.

“He looks and acts like a flighty teenager. Flaling arms. No center of gravity. Completely unmasculine. Not thorough.”

More credentials:

Here, I’ll even give you ammo. Here’s their flamingly gayest instructor, this guy makes a Disney princess look like a lumberjack:

Oh shit, how are these guys doing this?? IT’S ALL SCRIPTED!! THEY PAID THEM!!

YouTube Simple Pickup, Cupid Shmupid. Oh god, they’re all paying these girls, these guys couldn’t get laid it’s not possible!! They aren’t 6’4″ masculine rich jocks!!

“Ross Jeffries is at least a grown ass masculine man.”

lol where’s that Seinfeld gif again…


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@zdroidz
“The “I’m a fat loser” but I’m regularly pursued by hot models myth is tiring.”

Well shit, if you didn’t believe him then you definitely won’t believe my stories lol

But that’s alright, it’s a lot easier to keep that bubble on. Just take it over to Hooking Up Smart or Jezebel where you’ll find plenty of people to agree with you and confirm your armchair theory, we discuss real world experience here.

And do your sons a favor: buy them Rollo’s books so they don’t have to learn from you. I’ve rolled with guys who are as good-looking and successful as you think breeds results and it ain’t a happy ending when they realize that guys like you were bullshitting them and they have to play catch-up later in life to learn how to get the girls they want.


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“The “I’m a fat loser” but I’m regularly pursued by hot models myth is tiring.”

Well shit, if you didn’t believe him then you definitely won’t believe my stories lol

But that’s alright, it’s a lot easier to keep that bubble on. Just take it over to Hooking Up Smart or Jezebel where you’ll find plenty of people to agree with you and confirm your armchair theory, we discuss real world experience here.

And do your sons a favor: buy them Rollo’s books so they don’t have to learn from you. I’ve rolled with guys who are as good-looking and successful as you think breeds results and it ain’t a happy ending when they realize that guys like you were bullshitting them and they have to play catch-up later in life to learn how to get the girls they want.


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“I’m pro game.”

“Any man that earns $100,000 per year, has a respectable physique and good personality can lock down an HB8 – HB10. That’s the blueprint. It’s that simple.”

“But if you took away his money, fame and physical strength what use would he be to his wife?”

You fundamentally don’t understand what game is.


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“I’m pro game.”

“Any man that earns $100,000 per year, has a respectable physique and good personality can lock down an HB8 – HB10. That’s the blueprint. It’s that simple.”

“But if you took away his money, fame and physical strength what use would he be to his wife?”

You fundamentally don’t understand what game is.


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ok troll pounding over for today, enjoy the vids all there are some good ones in mod at the moment


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ok troll pounding over for today, enjoy the vids all there are some good ones in mod at the moment


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“@All – Guys, stop feeding the troll. It will not go away if you respond to it or mention it. You guys seem very sophisticated socially so I’m kind of stunned why you can’t get this – ignore the troll. We want it gone and that’s what will do it.”

lol just wanted to mention that I don’t post rebuttals for the sake of convincing the troll themselves. They’re a lost cause, they have no interest or reason to change their views and I don’t really care about them. When I post stuff like that it’s for the guys who are lurking and who will see this archived a month or a year or 5 years from now when they’re looking for answers. They’ll read that bullshit and then get to my post and go “oh, fuck, okay this guy actually makes sense and answers questions these guys can’t and provided videos showing shit that contradicts what these other guys who sounded really sure of themselves are saying…MAYBE I’ll keep reading and see what else clicks with me” so they look into the red pill further instead of having their incorrect world view confirmed by guys who don’t go out and cold approach strangers and theorize from their armchair.

The absolute saddest cases I’ve met are the guys who did EVERYTHING right, they’re in med school, they’re at the gym 5 days a week, they’ve got sick condos, expensive clothes etc. and they still can’t get LAID let alone get a long-term girlfriend.

One guy confessed to me that he wasn’t even in med school because he wanted to be a doctor, he was in it (racking up tons of debt and not enjoying school or his future career) because he thought if he was a doctor he would be able to find a wife…turns out he was too busy studying and working to actually meet women and when he DID occasionally meet them thru social circles he had no idea what to do to get them and the “cooler” guys in the group would get the girls’ interest. And I told him man you gotta’ go out and sarge more and he had the fucking scary realization that he was too swamped with med school to go out sarging and gain that experience talking to girls, and too in debt to quit med school.

These views of “just get rich and jacked and you’ll magically have a wife appear out of nowhere and love you and marry you” and “if you’re rich and jacked then you’ll have no problem getting an HB8-10 wife, it’s easy you won’t have any problems keeping them because you have money and a 6-pack bro” Disney fantasy bullshit fucks guys lives up. You know why a lot of rich dudes in the nightlife scene do drugs? Because they’re sexually frustrated…they have the money looks career and car that everyone told them would provide women and they still aren’t getting the girls they want but they have ALL the attributes that were SUPPOSED to make it just magically happen for them and they keep talking to girls who get bored of them or won’t put out or get pissed off or cheat on them and they go “But I did everything right!! Is it just ME? Am I just a loser??” and they do drugs to numb themselves from that thought process…when they simply didn’t spend time learning game because some dipshit on the net told them “bro just make money and get rich and you’ll get a 10″ and they skipped reading useful real-world applicable shit and wasted another weekend of their 20s in the office.

You think quality hot girls are just walking around all over the place? They’re rare as fuck. Some guy waking up in his fancy condo (isolated), driving to work (isolated), working in his private corner office all day (isolated), heading to the gym with his headphones on focusing on his workout cause macking girls at the gym feels sleazy to him (isolated), heads home to read shit on the net or study or do extra work (isolated)…he turns down invites to go to the bar because if he gets some extra work down he might get that promotion (isolated) till his friends stop asking.

Where is that guy meeting his dream 10 wife-quality material? On his lunch-break MAYBE he happens to bump into a hot girl? What are the odds that that hot girl is going to be high-quality and be a personality type he gels with and have good motherly/wifey qualities and not be on anti-depressants or bipolar or dating anyone else or have a healthy attitude or a kid or a million other things.

If you want a high-quality long term girlfriend you need to get the fuck out there and meet a shitload of girls. Everything else you’re doing is not getting you closer to meeting a high quality hot girl.

But like I say, I just post this for the lurkers, not to convince the trolls. Go out and approach, lurkers, ’cause there ain’t no girls in your computer room lol


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“@All – Guys, stop feeding the troll. It will not go away if you respond to it or mention it. You guys seem very sophisticated socially so I’m kind of stunned why you can’t get this – ignore the troll. We want it gone and that’s what will do it.”

lol just wanted to mention that I don’t post rebuttals for the sake of convincing the troll themselves. They’re a lost cause, they have no interest or reason to change their views and I don’t really care about them. When I post stuff like that it’s for the guys who are lurking and who will see this archived a month or a year or 5 years from now when they’re looking for answers. They’ll read that bullshit and then get to my post and go “oh, fuck, okay this guy actually makes sense and answers questions these guys can’t and provided videos showing shit that contradicts what these other guys who sounded really sure of themselves are saying…MAYBE I’ll keep reading and see what else clicks with me” so they look into the red pill further instead of having their incorrect world view confirmed by guys who don’t go out and cold approach strangers and theorize from their armchair.

The absolute saddest cases I’ve met are the guys who did EVERYTHING right, they’re in med school, they’re at the gym 5 days a week, they’ve got sick condos, expensive clothes etc. and they still can’t get LAID let alone get a long-term girlfriend.

One guy confessed to me that he wasn’t even in med school because he wanted to be a doctor, he was in it (racking up tons of debt and not enjoying school or his future career) because he thought if he was a doctor he would be able to find a wife…turns out he was too busy studying and working to actually meet women and when he DID occasionally meet them thru social circles he had no idea what to do to get them and the “cooler” guys in the group would get the girls’ interest. And I told him man you gotta’ go out and sarge more and he had the fucking scary realization that he was too swamped with med school to go out sarging and gain that experience talking to girls, and too in debt to quit med school.

These views of “just get rich and jacked and you’ll magically have a wife appear out of nowhere and love you and marry you” and “if you’re rich and jacked then you’ll have no problem getting an HB8-10 wife, it’s easy you won’t have any problems keeping them because you have money and a 6-pack bro” Disney fantasy bullshit fucks guys lives up. You know why a lot of rich dudes in the nightlife scene do drugs? Because they’re sexually frustrated…they have the money looks career and car that everyone told them would provide women and they still aren’t getting the girls they want but they have ALL the attributes that were SUPPOSED to make it just magically happen for them and they keep talking to girls who get bored of them or won’t put out or get pissed off or cheat on them and they go “But I did everything right!! Is it just ME? Am I just a loser??” and they do drugs to numb themselves from that thought process…when they simply didn’t spend time learning game because some dipshit on the net told them “bro just make money and get rich and you’ll get a 10” and they skipped reading useful real-world applicable shit and wasted another weekend of their 20s in the office.

You think quality hot girls are just walking around all over the place? They’re rare as fuck. Some guy waking up in his fancy condo (isolated), driving to work (isolated), working in his private corner office all day (isolated), heading to the gym with his headphones on focusing on his workout cause macking girls at the gym feels sleazy to him (isolated), heads home to read shit on the net or study or do extra work (isolated)…he turns down invites to go to the bar because if he gets some extra work down he might get that promotion (isolated) till his friends stop asking.

Where is that guy meeting his dream 10 wife-quality material? On his lunch-break MAYBE he happens to bump into a hot girl? What are the odds that that hot girl is going to be high-quality and be a personality type he gels with and have good motherly/wifey qualities and not be on anti-depressants or bipolar or dating anyone else or have a healthy attitude or a kid or a million other things.

If you want a high-quality long term girlfriend you need to get the fuck out there and meet a shitload of girls. Everything else you’re doing is not getting you closer to meeting a high quality hot girl.

But like I say, I just post this for the lurkers, not to convince the trolls. Go out and approach, lurkers, ’cause there ain’t no girls in your computer room lol


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“I’ve always had a reservation about game due to the underlying social dynamics that it implies. Part of me wanted to see a Julien as an asshole who’s level I wouldn’t sink to, lol. Why the LOL? Because at times in my life I’ve done similar things and they worked. ”

Like Fight Club says: You have to give up. You have to accept that your view of the world was socially conditioned into you by people who had good intentions but were socially conditioned themselves. They put chains and locks on you and learning pickup is the process of removing those chains and freeing the guy you’ve been repressing. When you’re a baby and you want something you take it, until society teaches you to ask permission, and that lasts until society tells you not to bother asking for permission because you don’t DESERVE whatever it was you wanted…unless you buy this new shirt, or these expensive shoes, or this new BMW, or get that job as a doctor. THEN you deserve that thing you wanted, you know, until the NEXT product comes out and then you don’t deserve it until you have this NEW BETTER product. You’re removing all that bullshit society fed you and going back to your base instincts.

The reason I got good was that I knew I was socially retarded so I said “well I have no idea what to do, and these guys seem to know what they’re doing, so I’ll just do what they advise and see what happens”. I just accepted reality as it is instead of trying to fight it and cling to what I wished it was. I had never interacted with a girl so when I was told “girls think such and such” I said ok well I guess they must think such and such because I sure don’t know what they think and these tens of thousands of dudes are going out every day comparing notes and it looks like there’s patterns so hey I guess that’s how girls think. It would be cool if it were the Disney way, but I guess it’s not that way so oh well.

Like I say there are a lot of hardcore red pill guys who are still desperately clinging by a single fingertip to the notion of “sure this all works and I’m out slaying poon and that’s fun but one day I’ll find that unicorn and it’ll be like Disney promised me, I won’t need to run any game on her I can just become a good little husband chode with her and pop out some kids and live happily ever after”.

Let go. Give up. Accept reality. THAT’S when you can really own your shit.

“@zdro1dz – “So where is this guy getting feedback that girls overvalue themselves?””

Field experience. Again for the lurkers this is why you can’t learn this stuff from your armchair. You have to go out and see it first-hand. All the evidence is out there in-field every day.

“Any middle aged, fat-skinny, HB4 woman can set up a free account on Ashley Madison and guzzle alpha semen by the gallon every night of the week. If a woman is interested in NSA sex she won’t encounter so much as a speed bump.”

ahh, the old “that would only work dumb ugly sluts.” angle. We haven’t seen that ’round here before lol

@Random Angeleno
Glad it helped click some puzzle pieces together for you. Click my name and search my archives for “laser” and watch all the vids I’ve posted about this (Liam, Gambler, James Franco, etc.). It’s a huge puzzle piece and even more valuable when you age and can’t do the swirly twirly spin-hug shit that the guys in their early 20s do lol

“It’s part of the emotional excitement for them, they get engaged through their eyes, now they’re invested, I can almost do whatever I want short of feeling their tits or going below the belt.”

Ya, it’s gina tingles for them. The biggest key is cutting the space and getting up close once you’ve locked eyes and hit that subcomm situ.

@zdroidz
Those upper class women are cheating on the upper class guys they lock down for provision. I know this because they cheat with guys like me. I know they cheat with guys like me because I go out and fuck them.

Are you encouraging guys to be that cuckolded provider sitting at home wondering why his fiance keeps working late? Doesn’t sound like you have men’s best interest at heart…sounds like you’re more concerned about making sure women get provided for.

@Rollo
Cutting and pasting your post ’cause it’s important and shouldn’t get lost at the bottom of the last page lol:

“Just an aside on what YaReally was saying; when I was in my 20’s my brother used to do competitive bodybuilding on the amateur circuit level.

I never competed (I got laid being a junior rock star), but I did go to his shows, we worked out together and I was friends with a lot of the guys in his social circle.

These guys got HB9+ level interest from top shelf women constantly. Strippers, gym rat girls, models, etc. and laid they got.

However, these guys had very little Game and zero Red Pill awareness. They were Alpha by default, but all of them (my brother included for a time) ended up getting involved with women who’s possessiveness bordered on psychotic.

They “got the dream girl” but she’d turn into a nightmare and their Beta feminine pretenses of “treating a woman right” destroyed them from the inside out. Each of these women wanted to lock down these guys hardcore, but even when they did their BPD tendencies made them even more crazy.

Consequently these “supermen” would give up on being pro bodybuilders and do something mundane and domestic, only to get fat or give up in trying to make everything right for the “smoking hot dream girl”.”

Thanks for sharing…this is the stuff I’m talking about when I say these guys fuck other dudes up with their mental masturbation. Finding and reading red pill shit could help those guys but instead they don’t check it out and just log another few hours in the office or gym hoping it’ll just get them the perfect wife because of the world view guys like zdroidz promote.

And that doesn’t even account for the depression behind the scenes for those guys, where when they get stuck with a shitty low-quality girl, or can’t get the one girl they REALLY want, or don’t know how to handle or escape a shitty relationship, or can’t keep a girl that they really like, they can spiral down hard because they thoguht they were doing it all right and nobody has answers for them that make sense so the problem must be THEM.

“However, these guys had very little Game and zero Red Pill awareness. They were Alpha by default, but all of them (my brother included for a time) ended up getting involved with women who’s possessiveness bordered on psychotic.

They “got the dream girl” but she’d turn into a nightmare and their Beta feminine pretenses of “treating a woman right” destroyed them from the inside out. ”

Yup. Literally all a guy like zdroidz has to do is google the Misc bodybuilding forum and check out the Forever Alone threads to see that his armchair theories don’t hold up. But he won’t, because he doesn’t actually want to be convinced. And I’m cool with that, as long as his ignorance doesn’t fuck up other guys lurking and looking for answers.

Know how I know you’re not making up stories about your bro and his bodybuilding buddies? Because I fucking go out and have befriended lots of those dudes before and have macked on girls with them and seen them in action. Exact same shit with rich dudes.

A guy who’s super jacked and rich doesn’t have TIME to go out and learn how to get and keep the women he meets because he spent all his time in the gym and the office instead of learning pickup.


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“I’ve always had a reservation about game due to the underlying social dynamics that it implies. Part of me wanted to see a Julien as an asshole who’s level I wouldn’t sink to, lol. Why the LOL? Because at times in my life I’ve done similar things and they worked. ”

Like Fight Club says: You have to give up. You have to accept that your view of the world was socially conditioned into you by people who had good intentions but were socially conditioned themselves. They put chains and locks on you and learning pickup is the process of removing those chains and freeing the guy you’ve been repressing. When you’re a baby and you want something you take it, until society teaches you to ask permission, and that lasts until society tells you not to bother asking for permission because you don’t DESERVE whatever it was you wanted…unless you buy this new shirt, or these expensive shoes, or this new BMW, or get that job as a doctor. THEN you deserve that thing you wanted, you know, until the NEXT product comes out and then you don’t deserve it until you have this NEW BETTER product. You’re removing all that bullshit society fed you and going back to your base instincts.

The reason I got good was that I knew I was socially retarded so I said “well I have no idea what to do, and these guys seem to know what they’re doing, so I’ll just do what they advise and see what happens”. I just accepted reality as it is instead of trying to fight it and cling to what I wished it was. I had never interacted with a girl so when I was told “girls think such and such” I said ok well I guess they must think such and such because I sure don’t know what they think and these tens of thousands of dudes are going out every day comparing notes and it looks like there’s patterns so hey I guess that’s how girls think. It would be cool if it were the Disney way, but I guess it’s not that way so oh well.

Like I say there are a lot of hardcore red pill guys who are still desperately clinging by a single fingertip to the notion of “sure this all works and I’m out slaying poon and that’s fun but one day I’ll find that unicorn and it’ll be like Disney promised me, I won’t need to run any game on her I can just become a good little husband chode with her and pop out some kids and live happily ever after”.

Let go. Give up. Accept reality. THAT’S when you can really own your shit.

“@zdro1dz – “So where is this guy getting feedback that girls overvalue themselves?””

Field experience. Again for the lurkers this is why you can’t learn this stuff from your armchair. You have to go out and see it first-hand. All the evidence is out there in-field every day.

“Any middle aged, fat-skinny, HB4 woman can set up a free account on Ashley Madison and guzzle alpha semen by the gallon every night of the week. If a woman is interested in NSA sex she won’t encounter so much as a speed bump.”

ahh, the old “that would only work dumb ugly sluts.” angle. We haven’t seen that ’round here before lol

@Random Angeleno
Glad it helped click some puzzle pieces together for you. Click my name and search my archives for “laser” and watch all the vids I’ve posted about this (Liam, Gambler, James Franco, etc.). It’s a huge puzzle piece and even more valuable when you age and can’t do the swirly twirly spin-hug shit that the guys in their early 20s do lol

“It’s part of the emotional excitement for them, they get engaged through their eyes, now they’re invested, I can almost do whatever I want short of feeling their tits or going below the belt.”

Ya, it’s gina tingles for them. The biggest key is cutting the space and getting up close once you’ve locked eyes and hit that subcomm situ.

@zdroidz
Those upper class women are cheating on the upper class guys they lock down for provision. I know this because they cheat with guys like me. I know they cheat with guys like me because I go out and fuck them.

Are you encouraging guys to be that cuckolded provider sitting at home wondering why his fiance keeps working late? Doesn’t sound like you have men’s best interest at heart…sounds like you’re more concerned about making sure women get provided for.

@Rollo
Cutting and pasting your post ’cause it’s important and shouldn’t get lost at the bottom of the last page lol:

“Just an aside on what YaReally was saying; when I was in my 20’s my brother used to do competitive bodybuilding on the amateur circuit level.

I never competed (I got laid being a junior rock star), but I did go to his shows, we worked out together and I was friends with a lot of the guys in his social circle.

These guys got HB9+ level interest from top shelf women constantly. Strippers, gym rat girls, models, etc. and laid they got.

However, these guys had very little Game and zero Red Pill awareness. They were Alpha by default, but all of them (my brother included for a time) ended up getting involved with women who’s possessiveness bordered on psychotic.

They “got the dream girl” but she’d turn into a nightmare and their Beta feminine pretenses of “treating a woman right” destroyed them from the inside out. Each of these women wanted to lock down these guys hardcore, but even when they did their BPD tendencies made them even more crazy.

Consequently these “supermen” would give up on being pro bodybuilders and do something mundane and domestic, only to get fat or give up in trying to make everything right for the “smoking hot dream girl”.”

Thanks for sharing…this is the stuff I’m talking about when I say these guys fuck other dudes up with their mental masturbation. Finding and reading red pill shit could help those guys but instead they don’t check it out and just log another few hours in the office or gym hoping it’ll just get them the perfect wife because of the world view guys like zdroidz promote.

And that doesn’t even account for the depression behind the scenes for those guys, where when they get stuck with a shitty low-quality girl, or can’t get the one girl they REALLY want, or don’t know how to handle or escape a shitty relationship, or can’t keep a girl that they really like, they can spiral down hard because they thoguht they were doing it all right and nobody has answers for them that make sense so the problem must be THEM.

“However, these guys had very little Game and zero Red Pill awareness. They were Alpha by default, but all of them (my brother included for a time) ended up getting involved with women who’s possessiveness bordered on psychotic.

They “got the dream girl” but she’d turn into a nightmare and their Beta feminine pretenses of “treating a woman right” destroyed them from the inside out. ”

Yup. Literally all a guy like zdroidz has to do is google the Misc bodybuilding forum and check out the Forever Alone threads to see that his armchair theories don’t hold up. But he won’t, because he doesn’t actually want to be convinced. And I’m cool with that, as long as his ignorance doesn’t fuck up other guys lurking and looking for answers.

Know how I know you’re not making up stories about your bro and his bodybuilding buddies? Because I fucking go out and have befriended lots of those dudes before and have macked on girls with them and seen them in action. Exact same shit with rich dudes.

A guy who’s super jacked and rich doesn’t have TIME to go out and learn how to get and keep the women he meets because he spent all his time in the gym and the office instead of learning pickup.


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“Rollo uses the term “purple pill” to describe red pill truths that have been neutered and rendered safe for women, and Deida is purple all the way through.”

That was the impression I got from the little bit that I read lol Couldn’t stomach it.

@zdroidz
“Attractive girls in the lower class grow up and marry out.”

I had one fuckbuddy (HB8, also she had an office job and I was unemployed lol) who came over weekly to fuck who was engaged to a well-off dude the entire time. She called it off because the wedding was approaching and she felt guilty (finally). We did fucked up kinky sex that she’ll never do with her now-hubby (almost 3somed her and her BFF (her BFF had a 6yr boyfriend and a rich sugar daddy who would fly her to visit him behind her boyfriend’s back)). I almost fucked her in her wedding dress lol Both girls were hot and I’ve seen that engaged one’s Facebook etc. and to anyone who sees or meets her they would hold her up as high quality wife material. Her hubby will never know what we did. She tried to get me to not use condoms too. That girl is now living in some fancy upscale house in some affluent neighborhood and you’re driving past her going “see, those internet guys don’t know anything, look at that girl there”.

Do you want men to aspire to be that girl’s fiance? Is that winning to you? Is your goal for men “have a wife, doesn’t matter what your relationship is like just get a ring on that finger and you’re a winner, boys!”? Because you have a LOT more reading to do.

Like I say: you don’t understand that the value of the toaster to the girl isn’t that it makes toast. So when the toaster doesn’t toast it hasn’t lost its value to her and it isn’t “no longer of use”, because the value in it is NOT the making toast part.

Now I got shit to do lol have fun gentlemen


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“Rollo uses the term “purple pill” to describe red pill truths that have been neutered and rendered safe for women, and Deida is purple all the way through.”

That was the impression I got from the little bit that I read lol Couldn’t stomach it.

@zdroidz
“Attractive girls in the lower class grow up and marry out.”

I had one fuckbuddy (HB8, also she had an office job and I was unemployed lol) who came over weekly to fuck who was engaged to a well-off dude the entire time. She called it off because the wedding was approaching and she felt guilty (finally). We did fucked up kinky sex that she’ll never do with her now-hubby (almost 3somed her and her BFF (her BFF had a 6yr boyfriend and a rich sugar daddy who would fly her to visit him behind her boyfriend’s back)). I almost fucked her in her wedding dress lol Both girls were hot and I’ve seen that engaged one’s Facebook etc. and to anyone who sees or meets her they would hold her up as high quality wife material. Her hubby will never know what we did. She tried to get me to not use condoms too. That girl is now living in some fancy upscale house in some affluent neighborhood and you’re driving past her going “see, those internet guys don’t know anything, look at that girl there”.

Do you want men to aspire to be that girl’s fiance? Is that winning to you? Is your goal for men “have a wife, doesn’t matter what your relationship is like just get a ring on that finger and you’re a winner, boys!”? Because you have a LOT more reading to do.

Like I say: you don’t understand that the value of the toaster to the girl isn’t that it makes toast. So when the toaster doesn’t toast it hasn’t lost its value to her and it isn’t “no longer of use”, because the value in it is NOT the making toast part.

Now I got shit to do lol have fun gentlemen


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YaReally
on May 12th, 2015 at 8:59 pm
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@zdroidz
“Your bragging about cheating with several men’s wives and you think you’ve got men’s best interests at heart?”

In an ideal world those men wouldn’t be participating in what’s basically legalized slavery in the first place, but guys like you keep luring them into it by promoting “just be rich and handsome and you won’t have to worry, you’ll get your 10 wife and live happily ever after, I’m married so everyone else should be who cares about statistics and divorce rate and family court biases! C’mon guys, work hard so you can throw that noose around your neck, that’s winning!”

I notice you’ve also taken accountability from the woman out. I don’t do anything with women that they don’t CHOOSE to do.

The question that those guys should be asking, and that you can’t answer, is WHY do their women cheat with a piece of shit like me when they have a rich good-looking husband at home? They have a perfectly shiny brand new toaster at home, so why are they plugging in the shitty old toaster with the frayed wire that gives them shocks and burns the toast?

Any answer for that? Let me guess, those women are all just sluts or I’m just making up stories and married/taken women don’t actually cheat lol How deep can you bury your head in the sand to hold onto your idea of how you think the world should work?


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YaReally
on May 12th, 2015 at 8:59 pm
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@zdroidz
“Your bragging about cheating with several men’s wives and you think you’ve got men’s best interests at heart?”

In an ideal world those men wouldn’t be participating in what’s basically legalized slavery in the first place, but guys like you keep luring them into it by promoting “just be rich and handsome and you won’t have to worry, you’ll get your 10 wife and live happily ever after, I’m married so everyone else should be who cares about statistics and divorce rate and family court biases! C’mon guys, work hard so you can throw that noose around your neck, that’s winning!”

I notice you’ve also taken accountability from the woman out. I don’t do anything with women that they don’t CHOOSE to do.

The question that those guys should be asking, and that you can’t answer, is WHY do their women cheat with a piece of shit like me when they have a rich good-looking husband at home? They have a perfectly shiny brand new toaster at home, so why are they plugging in the shitty old toaster with the frayed wire that gives them shocks and burns the toast?

Any answer for that? Let me guess, those women are all just sluts or I’m just making up stories and married/taken women don’t actually cheat lol How deep can you bury your head in the sand to hold onto your idea of how you think the world should work?


More Indirect Evidence That β€œFake It Till You Create It” Works

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YaReally
on May 12, 2015 at 2:30 pm
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Like Tyler says, girls will convince themselves that your flaws are features when she’s attracted to you and will focus on all your good qualities and focus on all your good features, but then will convince herself that those EXACT SAME features are flaws and will focus on seeing all your bad qualities when she loses attraction for you.

It’s nice to see science confirm it, but this shit is all out there in the field for anyone to see if they go out and push their sarging and mack on hotter girls lol

[CH: it’s amazing how many of a man’s personal failings a girl will ignore or rationalize away when she’s in love with him. especially amazing when one considers that a tiny fraction of his flaws are enough to knock an unsexy beta male completely out of the running.]



The Egonomics Of Bitterbitches: Yes, Homely Skanks Are Using Tinder To Get Attention. No, Not From Desirable Men.

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walawala
on May 10, 2015 at 8:08 am
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@YaReally and all Just an update on an action-packed week. Last Saturday, go out with the 21 year old exchange student. Didn’t have a great time but we came back. Banged her. She stayed over. Last Sunday, 32 year old Fuckbuddy came over and we banged our brains out. Monday I had food poisoning. Tuesday, 29 year old cute teacher who squirted first time I banged her, invited herself over to dinner demanding I cook for her. I said I might if she did the dishes. She agreed, brought dessert. She was on her period. I banged her. In fact all three of these girls were on their period when I banged them. Banged FB again Friday. Sunday, hooked up with 26 year old nanny I used to bang last year but who disappeared for a year because I wouldn’t be her boyfriend. She initiated the contact. I invited her over. She blew me, then I banged her. She’s gotten more experience over the last year. So I banged 4 girls last week all under 30 except for the FB who’s hot in her own right.

I was out at a party Saturday a cute but kind of dumpy girl came over, sat with me, clearly giving me IOI’s. I would have made more of an effort if she dressed better.

This is even better than last year. I think as I got better, my inner game improved and so I’m not giving off the worried vibe where girls can sense you’re needy or after them only to bang. They get that’s the reason I’m with them…why else would I be there. But I also made them feel safe both physically and emotionally—I don’t barrage them with texts, I don’t ask where they are all the time. I tease all the time.

I’m dressing better, i’m now djing and traveling to cool places for work. So from the “value” standpoint I’m increasing the “value” I lost through some of my relapses with crazy.

I write this because a year ago I had no idea i’d be in this sweet spot. I’m more relaxed overall and I think that is positively improving my game.

I open, tease, sexualize, number close, isolate them on a Day 2…then bounce them to my place.


  • YaReally
    on May 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm
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    Props dude you’ve come a long way. Internals usually take a while to catch up to externals, we have a LOT of social conditioning from the day we’re born telling us that we’re not good enough and don’t deserve shit and that girls are up on a pedestal. It takes a while to gain enough reference experiences to tell your brain “no, that’s bullshit, we’re awesome now get on board with that reality” lol But once you have those internals they’re hard to lose because you can’t forget the experiences you had that tell you whatever excuse you try to hide behind down the road is bullshit because you have the ref experiences to prove it.



The Body Coil: A Sexual Attraction Giveaway

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walawala
on May 4, 2015 at 6:05 pm
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@Stained glass: Interesting. I noticed a kind of reflex in my crazy ex last week. I went out to a dance practice night with the 21 year old I’m banging. I rarely go but since the girl wanted to practice we went. I never expected my ex to be there because I figured she worked on those nights. Out of the corner of my eye, later in the night I catch a glimpse. I saw her kind of in a recoil position, sort of leaning, white, blank expression suddenly focused on her phone. I don’t know what she could have been feeling. But she did not look happy. A few days later I was at another party and making myself a cocktail at the entrance. She walked in…saw me, I casually turned back around…she left. Weird. If she was ok with everything she would have come in because there were some guy friends of hers in the party…what’s with the dramatic exit?

Sure there could be some residual feelings or desire but it doesn’t manifest itself into any action.


  • YaReally
    on May 4, 2015 at 7:48 pm
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    String is too far out of the cat’s reach so it gives up. This is a good thing in this particular case because she’s a crazy bitch and would eat you alive if you got back with her. If she were a girl who wasn’t going to ruin your life, this is where you would want to calibrate and make yourself slightly more attainable to her so the string is tantalizingly in reach again.


    • YaReally
      on May 4, 2015 at 9:36 pm
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      “As I wrote above, I invited her out for drinks (string) and she claimed to be busy.”

      Whoops, I didn’t see that post. I thought this happened out of the blue. I didn’t realize you invited her out for drinks which changes things. If I had read this:

      “Finally after all the banter I shot her a text late one night: “oy, let’s meet up for drinks this week” she replied: “Not free this week””

      I would have instead replied with: what the fuck are you doing, are you fucking retarded?? Why the fuck are you inviting this crazy bitch out for drinks after we spent like a YEAR trying to get you off her hook??

      She gives zero fucks about you except that she’ll sweeten up her behavior when she stops getting attention from other men. You are her BB she’s keeping strung along because you keep chasing her when you haven’t even had your dick inside her in like a year. Why are you still txting her?????

      I mean, I know WHY. But goddamn, I thought we had you off that track finally.


    • YaReally
      on May 5, 2015 at 10:55 am
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      whew, you scared me there. I thought you were trying to bang her again. It doesn’t matter if you’re over her or not, her perception of you is still that you are low value and will chase her if she dangles the string just a little lower (the evidence being your attempt to get her for drinks following the exact same pattern as a year ago), don’t be even TRYING to go out for drinks with this chick lol

      Ignore the “FFS, wala” post in mod where I’m bitching you out further lol


  • kant
    on May 4, 2015 at 8:18 pm
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    wala, yareally

    Had a dream last night that YaReally was my room mate. Fuckin weird.

    Anyway, interesting point there with cat string theory. I’d love a more detailed post on how to use it to ‘string girls along’ for longer (without having to give them more comfort / emotional connection that kills the it’s just sex vibe).


    • YaReally
      on May 4, 2015 at 10:02 pm
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      “Had a dream last night that YaReally was my room mate. Fuckin weird.”

      Homo.

      “Anyway, interesting point there with cat string theory. I’d love a more detailed post on how to use it to ‘string girls along’ for longer (without having to give them more comfort / emotional connection that kills the it’s just sex vibe).”

      1) Set their expectations as low as possible at the start, and keep them as low as possible for as long as possible. Fuckbuddy arrangement is basically a toilet-paper roll. At the end of the roll is the Ultimatum (“I care about you too much, I can’t do this anymore if we aren’t going to be a serious couple”). Everything you do takes a piece of toilet paper off that roll, but some actions you do can take multiple pieces and some are like yanking on the roll. You can’t add toilet paper back onto the roll once you rip it off.

      Taking her on a dinner date, or meeting her friends, or letting her meet your friends, or hanging out without having sex (movie night and cuddles, awww how cute), agreeing to monogamy or hiding that you’re seeing other girls TOO well, seeing her more than once a week, texting daily, blabbing all your personal info and shit going on in your life and your past and your relationship with your family etc. = yanking on the toilet paper roll

      Showing up at her house for sex after last call, kicking her out if she tries to not put out, meeting her at a place in isolation away from your and her friends, getting caught now and then with evidence of other girls, seeing her once every week or two max, texting a couple sessions a week, keeping your life close to your chest and just doling out tiny vague bits of info about your past and life news etc. = taking a single square of toilet paper

      2) Calibrate like a motherfucker to where she’s at. If she’s getting too clingy or you’ve seen her too frequently or you feel yourself catching feels, be “too busy” to hang out for a couple weeks to let things cool down or say/do something playerish that reminds her you’re not the boyfriend type. If you’ve been too playerish, give her a little attention so she feels like she’s special. I do cuddle talk after sex, so she gets to vent about what’s going on in her life and I give her some advice and make her feel like a special snowflake and send her home feeling like we bonded a bit but she won’t see me for another couple weeks so it balances out VS if I saw her 3x a week doing that.

      3) Accept that if you’re not offering the boyfriend experience she might go find it elsewhere. This is the trade-off for having casual bangs. If she hits the point where she needs cuddle movie night and a wedding date etc. and some other dude offers that, she may ditch you for him for a few months (till she misses good sex lol) Just having this mindset helps radiate non-neediness which helps keep the player vibe which helps keep her chasing.

      4) Make her invest:

      Most of my fuckbuddies know basically nothing about me except my first name, my age, my fake lame job, and my address to come over to bang, even after months of banging. None of that stuff is necessary.

      The funny part is they FEEL like they know me really really well, but if I quizzed them “ok, tell me something about my life” they would draw a blank and realize they don’t actually know anything lol We’ve just shared a lot of emotional feels together, which is what ACTUALLY creates a bond.


    • YaReally
      on May 4, 2015 at 10:11 pm
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      “In the crazy ex case…there was string: “let’s go for drinks” and then…radio silence.”

      That’s not a string. You don’t have a string with her. You have NEVER been “out of her reach” even though you think you have. With her all you have is “I’ll eventually chase you, it’ll take longer now but rest assured I’ll do it eventually because I’m still hooked on you and still in these social situs where I can’t avoid you”.

      This is why radio silence means radio silence and you don’t keep hanging out in the same places. The worst part is that she has you wrapped around enough to think that you’re WINNING this shit like that New Years kiss meant anything and that you’ve just expertly woo’ed her into chasing you instead of playing right into her fucking rolodex as usual.

      She has you thinking you are the string dangling just out of reach when you have BLATANT EVIDENCE (her response to your drink offer) that that’s not the case. Instead of looking at her response that follows the EXACT same pattern it followed when you were low value chasing her around like a puppy and saying “uhoh, maybe I’m back where I started”, you’re trying to rationalize around it because you’ve been banging other girls so you don’t think it’s possible to still be the same sad puppy to her that you were a year ago…ALL you’ve taught her is that she just has to dangle her string a little bit lower and you’ll revert back to chasing.

      The reason you’re going “I just don’t get it, I’m dangling string and she’s not chasing, what’s going on?” is because your assessment of your value to her is tainted so you’re entering 3 + 2 into the formula instead of 2 + 2 and wondering why you aren’t getting 4.

      FFS, wala


    • YaReally
      on May 5, 2015 at 10:55 am
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      Reply in mod, because where else would it be lol



Klem
on May 5, 2015 at 11:26 am
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Yareally etc :
Pretty straightforward question : how do you get to quickly have a girl sincerely opening up to what kinky stuff she is into sexually?
I’ve had a few girls whith whom I managed to talk about it, and it lead to mind blowingly good sex, and a very “deep” connection. But it happened after months of banging and through slow rapport building. I guess this is the “normal way” to go about it, but I figured there must be a “fast” way to do that on purpose (like Mystery’s attraction theory, with the switches).
I guess it’s about being nonjudgmental and sharing your own preferences?


  • YaReally
    on May 5, 2015 at 9:38 pm
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    “I guess it’s about being nonjudgmental and sharing your own preferences?”

    Yup, you’re on the right track. I like to lead the conversation toward talking about sex and share stories about sexual adventures “lol that reminds me of this one girl I was seeing for a bit, she was super into spanking and this one time we (insert funny story, possibly made up lol)…have YOU ever (insert whatever)?” It sets the frame that sex is normal and fun and by sharing a story first you set the precedent that there’s no judgement in this conversation so she feels more free to open up. And by talking about another girl you set a lot of good frames about not being the Beta Bucks boyfriend type and because you’re talking about some silly story from the past instead of directly about you and this girl you’re talking to there’s less ASD triggering because she’s not involved in the story…so it’s like you’re indirectly displaying sexual value.

    Click my name to hit my archive and use the search for “about sex” and “wtf were you talking” for more details/examples of how I do it. This should be the type of conversation you’re having on your first Day2 or first interaction or first week of texting her.

    I actually find it’s easier to get into these topics with new random girls rather than long-term girls because long-term girls you don’t want to scare eachother off so you can both be more hesitant to open up, whereas with randoms it’s like who cares what this person thinks I’ll never see them again. A lot of girls will do stuff with me that they never do or will never even bring up with their boyfriend/husband because they’re either too comfortable with him to visualize him doing it or too invested in him to want to risk scaring him off (a lot of “normal” dudes are freaked out and go full judgement mode on a girl wanting to be choked or have her hair pulled or be called dirty names because their unicorn isn’t supposed to be like those slutty slut sluts lol)…or their guy is so BB to them that they can’t even picture him being the AF that they need and consider it a waste of effort to even try to get him to do it (since half of what makes a guy being dominant hot is when it’s part of his nature, not when she has to coach the sniveling beta chode into grabbing her by the hair and tell him “yes, it’s FINE I promise” when he whimpers “are you sure this doesn’t hurt too much??”).

    And if it helps motivate you: This is completely something you can improve on. I was similar to you when I started out, I had no idea how to get the conversation to be sexual early on and I didn’t even think it was possible. It would take me a couple dates to even get the lay sometimes and there was a lot of slowly trying to escalate while we watched a movie etc. I was scared shitless to push the boundaries earlier in the interactions but once you do and you see how much they love it you never go back to talking about puppydogs and ice cream lol

    My Day2s now are basically 10 minutes of small talk with some innuendo laced in, then talking about sexual topics for a while, then bouncing back and forth between sexual topics and rapport/comfort topics so she feels special enough for the night, then I walk her from the bar to my place. Takes anywhere from an hour to 4 hours and anywhere from 1 drink to 4 drinks but rarely longer than that and if I let it go past 2 drinks it’s usually because the chick is just cool and I’m having fun and I like flirting in public and causing a scene so sometimes I’ll extend things for another round or two and escalate to making out a bit in the bar (once I’ve done my logistical intel etc and know it’s on for the night, never makeout till you know you have a green light to banging that night) and build a bunch of sexual tension for fun. Soon as we get to my place I pin her against the wall and escalate before we even have our jackets off. No pouring drinks, no pretending we want to watch a movie, etc.

    Never would have believed I could go that fast back in my early pickup days and especially not in my AFC days. Good luck, have fun.