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Agree & Amplify For More Sex, Deeper Love

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Captain Obvious
on February 28, 2015 at 10:51 am
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There’s a strong degree of misdirection here – sort of an intellectual boxing – where she’s expecting a soft left jab of Beta whining and begging, whereas you’re smacking her with the hard right uppercut of Alpha agree & amplify sarcasm. Chicks love to be surprised by something which they weren’t expecting. Which is one of the reasons that they hate Betas so much – because BORING!


  • King A
    on March 1, 2015 at 4:29 pm
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    Which POON HUNTING TRICK is being referred to here? Cite chapter and verse, please. Is there a commandment on the devastating use of sarcasm?



SuperFucker!
on February 28, 2015 at 11:03 am
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What she’s saying is legitimate. She doesn’t feel a connection with him and yet he’s pushing for her number. She smells a rat.

And if even if she gave him her number, if she doesn’t feel comfortable doing so, how likely is it that she’ll feel comfortable setting up a date?

Odds of flaking: 98%.

Don’t waste time prying girls’ numbers from their cold dead hands. Follow the comfort scent trail until it leads either to a same day/night lay or she suggests you get together again.


  • YaReally
    on March 1, 2015 at 5:43 pm
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    Nope, this is solid.



Sentient
on March 2, 2015 at 12:18 pm
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@culum Struan – some further observations on cadence and day game for you.

In my local coffee shop. One thing I’ve started doing much more of is being ‘open” to new interactions and this starts with your positioning and body language. So if for example there is a counter, take a seat facing away from the counter, toward the room. Try and position yourself near the flow of people or where they will congregate. Don’t look at your phone. Be open to the room. Much easier to engage people, observe IOI’s etc. And open everyone who comes to sit by you.

So I am doing this and open a mid 30’s married women with “your profile, it’s the exact same as my buddy’s daughter. ” which leads to how often she comes here (not seen before) because he is usually with me and I want to point her out to him etc. She is all smiles, gets her coffee and splits. 90% of women you speak to enjoy the interaction, even if it’s not going to go anywhere.

So now I am by myself and break my rule above to be open and turn to face the counter and read my phone. Of course I miss a tall slim 20YO hippy girl with a nose ring (running into a lot of these recently) , who has taken the stool next to me. LOL. Put my phone down and see she has a bag with “be the change you want to see in the world” written on it. Perfect. Convo goes like this:

M:So what kind of change do you want to see in the world? (incidentally this is a great open question that probes dreams and is emotional) with full eye contact.
H: Ohhhh. (a little flustered) Ha hahahaha. I guess I’d like to see the regime in North Korea overturned.

So this is a unique response and we get into how she would go about it (lame) and that she is in college nearby and is an International Affairs major. I tease her if The Interview was the best vehicle to attempt this change, So she is laughing at this,and I tease her about James Franco… Then she turns around to me, and this is the part you may find interesting, the pacing, the story telling, the routine (which I plan on using again with the same opener) – and asks me what kind of change i would like to see in the world. I have my coffee on the counter, which is a great prop and a great way to take focus off and put focus back on you and helps with the pacing.

M: I guess I would like to see more honesty in the world. Right? [eye contact, nod my head a bit, pause while she starts to nod her head] I mean all our interactions are becoming so dishonest [pause pause pause maintain laser eye] and… [pause] unnatural [doing this to set the stage for attraction is natural etc.]. Don’t even get me started on politicians today.

H: I know right!!! haha.

M:[pause holding eye contact then reach out across my body slowly get the coffee cup, looking away from her – she is following my movements – and slowly bring it up to my face, now looking back at her with the laser eye and take a long sip, lick my lips a little then slowly place it back down on the counter go back to full laser eye] I guess [pause] it started for me at a really young age [pause pause] my parents [pause] they were lying to me…

H: Ohhhh really!!!???

M: Yeah [pause laser eye serious expression] it messed me up you know [head nod, she is nodding along, pause] every year they would do the same thing [pause] I mean FOR YEARS this lying went on [a little hand gesture and volume for emphasis – maintain laser eye – she is leaning forward following this – i pause hear and go through the slow slip of coffee turn away and turn back routine stretching out the anticipation keeping laser eye, turn back to her] aaahhhhhh [pause laser eye] I just couldn’t believe there wasn’t a Santa Claus, you know?

H: ohhhh. hahahahahahahahahahahah. [touches my forearm]

So a lot of words to convey a 4 minute interaction but I think you can get a good sense from this how you can get emotional reactions pretty quickly. Ultimately this didn’t go anywhere, since it was too close to home. She was meeting a chode (not to pick on anybody, just descriptive – he was very anxious when he saw us chatting so close) and when he came she got her coffee and they took off. She gave me her name though and we shook hands. A seed planted. But she got what was unexpected from a stranger – a bit of the roller coaster, a random interruption of the routines of life, and good emotions.

Have fun.

Will be curious to see if this post goes through BTW – still have stuff in mod from 3 days ago…


  • Reco
    on March 2, 2015 at 5:06 pm
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    I like it and will be stealing this. Possibly tomorrow.


    • YaReally
      on March 3, 2015 at 4:33 am
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      Ditto lol that Santa shit is a solid rollercoaster story told right. Will likely steal it myself, I can see dropping it into my rapport toolbox ’cause honesty/lying segues nicely into my standard routines about how I don’t lie to girls to get them into bed etc.

      Also good on the lasers. When you do a lot of solid lasering your interactions don’t even really NEED to be clever because everything is on the subcommunication level, like my buddy sends me Field Reports where he’s like “fuck this sounds retarded re-reading it but we were lasering eachother the whole time” and it’s like oh ok that makes sense then lol

      But if you can get lasers going AND drop something clever like this, told with lots of build-up and pauses etc., that shit can be killer because it’s very rare for her to meet a guy that can do all that at once congruently and smoothly.

      Also props for opening in the daytime.


  • Putin
    on March 2, 2015 at 8:01 pm
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    “In my local coffee shop. One thing I’ve started doing much more of is being ‘open” to new interactions and this starts with your positioning and body language. So if for example there is a counter, take a seat facing away from the counter, toward the room. Try and position yourself near the flow of people or where they will congregate. Don’t look at your phone. Be open to the room. Much easier to engage people, observe IOI’s etc. And open everyone who comes to sit by you……. So now I am by myself and break my rule above to be open and turn to face the counter and read my phone.”

    FWIW, I have noticed in coffee shops that when I go find a spot with other open chairs around me and then settle in it is not too long before a women decides to sit next to me. These women choose me. I have come to believe that when a women sits next to you she is making a statement of interest.

    It was when I positioned myself for interaction that it seemed to frighten women off. I think it is like a deer. They can be frightened easily so they kind of slowly check to see if it is safe before they move toward the feeder. I just need to sit calmly in my deer stand and let them get in position. For me it is better this way in day game. Now when I walk into a restaurant/bay it is different as women show no fear of raping me with their eyes.

    Again it may be different with others but I put off a strong vibe which I am trying calibrate.

    Funny but I remember when I was single and went to the apartment pool to chill on a lounge chair. A 9 came down and sat right next to me. It was a bit shocking. One thing led to another and before I knew it we were having dinner then banging all night. Huge tits. ,


    • YaReally
      on March 3, 2015 at 4:44 am
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      @Putin
      “I have come to believe that when a women sits next to you she is making a statement of interest.”

      Ya, we call it pAImAI which is a retarded abbreviation/term for basically “she could pick anywhere else in the room to stand/sit but she picked a spot right beside you or right in your line of vision”.

      Here’s like a 20 page article from 2006 breaking it down lol:

      http://ipua.blogspot.ca/2006/07/interesting-article-paimai-by.html#c115184892567703422

      Naturals are EXTREMELY sensitive to pAImAI from a girl, but normal guys are completely oblivious to it and talk themselves out of it when they DO see it.

      I once caught it in action full-stop. Two girls literally running around a nightclub trying to put themselves in my line of vision over and over, it was the funniest thing I ever saw and couldn’t believe it was happening because I always thought it was a subconscious/subtle thing but they were full out booking it. They didn’t realize I had noticed them already and knew what they were doing so to test it I kept going to different areas in the club (including different rooms) to stand/sit and face different directions and the second I moved toward the next spot they’d start moving to stand/sit in front of me wherever I decided to stop. They weren’t subtle about it at all, I remember seeing the one girl grabbing the other’s arm like “let’s go, he’s on the move!”



One Reason Younger Women Like Older Men

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YaReally
on February 27, 2015 at 3:33 pm
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Tellin ya, you’re gonna see a lot more reports like this over the next 10-20 years. The culture is shifting. Reversion Theory in action.

This is just like I described it, the girls WANT an LTR so they try the older guy because logically he should be ready to settle. But, like this guy says, the aren’t marriage worthy yet, the girls don’t know WHAT to bring to the table yet because there’s a societal ban on teaching them that information thanks to feminism.

We’re at the turn of the tide. If you’re in your 20s or early 30s, do NOT settle yet. Keep playing the field. Take care of your body, handle your career, and pick the best girl from your harem to settle with at 40. The <25yo crowd will be jonesin for a cool attractive older man and they'll have figured out they need to hit the gym and learn to cook and land you in their prime.

If you're 30 dating a hot 30yo who doesn't regularly hit the gym and cook for you etc, you're gonna be 35 with a post-wall woman. Your dick will work till 50, that's 15 years of banging old post-wall vag when at 40 you could've found a 23yo girl who looks exactly like her and cooks cleans does squats rejects crazy third-wave feminism etc

We're gonna see a return of "charm school" under a different "empowering" name that's going to teach young women how to be feminine and marriage-worthy. An entire generation of 30+yo feminists will die old and lonely, their spazzing delusional blog articles serving as a warning to future generations of women.

Don't cash out too soon. Go visit a young nightclub and look at your competition. Just a bunch of "gay BFF" boys.

Literally it's like boys have become girls in their energy and vibe and body language and looks etc. all a 21yo girl has experienced is feminine energy. No father in her life, no make teachers growing up, no manly peers, they're just surrounded by feminine and gay BFF energy all the way to 21.

Then you come in and laser her, holding eye contact as you spit some dominant alpha game at her and she's like "omg I don't know what this is I've never felt this before but my gina is tingling when this guy talks to me!!" and it blows her mind because she's never experienced it before.

Your SMV is not only going up but the next gen of boys' SMV is going down making yours even higher relative to them.

I can't wait till 40. It's going to be epic.



The Redirection Rejection

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Scray
on February 26, 2015 at 4:52 pm
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The first is overgaming. All of that stuff about the brisket, the teasing, etc. Just drop it. If you are too “C&F” or too “teasy” you come off like a kid at recess.

Second is also overgaming, but wider margin for error. When she asks you out of the blue to hang out, there’s no need to tease. A lot of people worry about saying ‘nothing,’ because then you look like a loser. So just say ‘not yet, why.’ Losers can hang out with anyone at any time because they never have plans. Social people tend to have plans. Popular people have so many offers that they can wait a bit and choose the best option.

Third lol….sending a pic? She sends YOU pics. So much overgaming. Here would be my exchange:

‘Me: [no picture] sup, are you back?
Her: I’m coming back.
Me: Nice. Let’s get together this week at X time at X location.’

I don’t think it’s about surprise or anything like that. It’s just that chicks can spot a phony. A dude who overgames is a dude who quickly reveals himself as inexperienced.


  • King A
    on February 27, 2015 at 6:15 pm
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    It’s called “banter.” It happens effortlessly in socially well-adjusted people who aren’t brain-pickled by pickup dogma. Not everything reduces to plotted strategy.

    I note the resentment in those who try training themselves in easy conversation but after years still can’t pull it off smoothly. Plan B is to denounce the gift of easy/teasy nothing-talk. “Look at how hard he’s trying!!!” — when it’s not that hard.

    Why not “come off like a kid at recess”? Clearly you are worried that the rest of your social presentation — attitude, status, appearance, ability to direct the conversation — can’t withstand self-amusing chit chat.

    You humorless simps who can’t crack a smile (sometimes even at your own expense) are the biggest targets there are.


    • YaReally
      on February 27, 2015 at 6:40 pm
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      @King A
      “You humorless simps who can’t crack a smile (sometimes even at your own expense) are the biggest targets there are.”

      …lol

      King just stop trying to give game advice. You’re not good at it, no one really thinks you have any sort of admirable social skills, and when you give advice you can’t do it without insulting the person and acting like they’re an inferior moron (see this and your reply to Buena above) which by default shows you aren’t very good at social situations or leading other men.

      Stick to the bible rants. Know your pay grade. This stuff is just embarrassing and cringe-worthy to read.



Types Of Game

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walawala
on February 26, 2015 at 7:34 am
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Batshit crazy game:

Ok…I just got the most bizarre angry text ever. It came out of the blue from a girl I’ve been banging regularly. We just met up Monday. She texted earlier to see if I was free to go to some art show in March. I was. I bantered back and forth with her about art and sent her some goofy cat photos saying this was the art I liked. She sent some. Then I sent a photo of some meat pies I’d taken.

Then this:

Her: looks spicy

Me: My Peruvian friend made them.

Her; A woman?

Me: Hahaha you know any male bakers?

Her: nice. u have woman bakes for you. glad to know. thanks for telling me that. what else I need to know. she baked in ur house? Hot fuck after that lol

Huh? The Peruvian woman is fat, married with a rug rat kid. But I agreed and amplified:

Me: yeah, we rolled each other and flour and rubbed raw meat on each other

Her; Fuck off

her: :(

Her: ur not the person I though you were nor the fucking batman or james bone . ur just a fucking selfish, filthy elderly liar n pathetic sex addict. go check the doctor n do some good for humanity in the limited and short time of your life. Thank you.

Wtf? I didn’t reply. This was the kind of fucked up nonsense I’ve been avoiding for some time. Great bang though…but nuts.


  • YaReally
    on February 26, 2015 at 3:23 pm
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    @walawala
    Send “lol” then 2 weeks complete radio silence no matter what she sends you.


    • YaReally
      on February 26, 2015 at 3:30 pm
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      P.S. She’s getting attached. Inviting you to art shows and shit = priming you to be her BF. So back at the start banging another girl wouldn’t be a big deal to her, but now it “hurts” her that you were with her Monday and ALREADY have some OTHER SLUT!!! omg!!! lol

      Can probably still bang her but be careful now that you’ve crossed this line: expect your texts to get published somewhere or shown to other people so don’t text anything incriminating about your life/relationships in general (like I NEVER talk shit about my girls to other girls because I know those girls will show other girls those texts I’m talking shit if they get the chance…so I won’t be like “no those other girls are just meaningless sluts to me” in text where one of those other girls might read it one day on a crazy bitch’s Facebook post lol), and make sure you haven’t done and aren’t doing anything that could be misconstrued as a false rape accusation if she goes off the deep end.

      Also expect potentially more difficulty getting her to bang you, like if you go to the art show she might purposely not put out that night in an attempt to get you to LTR her up for access to the poon.

      This is why I don’t do “date stuff” with my girls…too much of it and this moment comes sooner than it would have if I kept her at arm’s length.



The Special Occasion Texter

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Hardin Thicke
on February 24, 2015 at 1:55 pm
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-50-shades-of-grey-uic-sex-charge-20150223-story.html

Slut lets beta-boy play 50 Shades, cries rape after his roomate comes home and sees what kind of sperg she spread her legs for.


  • YaReally
    on February 24, 2015 at 7:15 pm
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    This shit is gonna get bad. Busy with work but will write up my thoughts sometime. It’s like someone just handed a bunch of machine guns to a schoolyard full of children.



wickedwabbit
on February 24, 2015 at 6:17 pm
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Here’s a weird one for you fellas.. Got a text from a HB 9 saying “Hey I’m not talking to boys til March 10th. U can text me back then if u like :)”

Some background info: Picked this one up at the bar. Went on two casual dates which went so-so (she’s a bit of a bitch). I then left town for three weeks for work. Texted her a few days after I got back and that was her response. She’s a career girl so could very well be busy… but I’m also not gonna txt her back on the 10th like some chump.

Thought about saying “Why don’t you call me when you’re done being a little girl.” or something to that effect. Ideas?


  • YaReally
    on February 24, 2015 at 7:13 pm
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    @wickedwabbit

    Send “who’s this?” Then don’t reply to anything she replies to that text with, till March 20th.


    • YaReally
      on February 24, 2015 at 11:05 pm
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      @wickedwabbit
      Shit, sorry, I missed this part: “Texted her a few days after I got back and that was her response”

      I thought you had no contact for 3 weeks and then just received that text out of the blue lol if THAT were the case it would be solid but if that was her reply to you then I would just txt an ambiguous “lol” and not text her again, and if she texts down the road in a couple months reply with a “who’s this?”



Comment Of The Week: The Danger Of The Traumatized Woman

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no
on February 23, 2015 at 10:58 am
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I have no desire to leave women better than I found them. Why should I? To reward my competition with an easier path to happiness? No if she does not give me what I want I have no use for her. Let her be some coward’s worry.

Also I have looked everywhere in my city and a few other nearby places for another man like myself who has a desire to seriously study and consistently practice game. I have found none. They just don’t exist. I can’t even find one brave enough to mentor or to even accept the red pill at more than a superficial level.

For about 2 years now I have been involved with a serious study of game and I am to the point that I cannot learn enough from mere naturals. To tell the truth even the best sources online do not have much more to say than a rehashing of old pua concepts.


  • YaReally
    on February 23, 2015 at 12:11 pm
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    Maybe no one wants to go out with you because of your shitty negative attitudes. I would keep a 10 foot radius from associating with you just based on this comment alone.



Memento Mori

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YaReally
on February 20th, 2015 at 10:01 pm
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I’ll provide the scumbag perspective on it:

People will rationalize anything to avoid having their world view shattered. Whether it’s the mom who’s convinced that her angelic son couldn’t possibly have stuffed that other kid in a locker at school, or whether it’s the feminist who’s convinced she’s a victim no matter how good she has it, or whether it’s society refusing to acknowledge that a woman can be just a shitty person like men, religious people, moon hoax conspiracy people, etc.

If their reality is invested and built around a belief system and you challenge it, they will fight tooth and nail against blatant evidence to clutch to that reality. They’ll try anything from lashing out to discarding evidence to lying to themselves enough to LEGITIMATELY believe what’s happening isn’t happening. They’ll accept the most ridiculous explanations that make no sense just to avoid accepting the truth.

Because if they accept that one aspect of their reality that they’ve been so convince is right, has been wrong it’s terrifying to consider that maybe OTHER aspects of their reality are wrong too. Maybe their whole fucking life has been based on wrong beliefs. Maybe all those little glitches in the Matrix they ignored were actually things they should have payed attention to. Maybe the reason their life sucks is because they were given a bad playbook from the start. Maybe they could have had the life they wish they had if they had just been given the real playbook. Maybe everyone in society even their own loved ones that they trusted with their lives was bullshitting and lying to them right from day one. How fucked up is it to realize that not only do the people you thought cared about you NOT have your best interested at heart but may actively make you suffer to benefit themselves. Accepting that world is fucking terrifying because it seems like a nightmare of monsters instead of a world of loved ones.

The scumbag part:

A guy can SEE his girlfriend/wife make out with me or voluntarily give me her number and if he’s fully invested in the Blue Pill he will convince himself that he didn’t see anything. She can tell him “oh you’re silly I just tripped and he helped catch me from falling that’s all” and even though he SAW our tongues wrestling he will convince himself that what she said is what happened because it’s easier to convince himself of that lie and brainwash himself to believe it than it is for him to question his entire world view and risk going down that path I described.

You can actively USE this too, as a tactic. I’m sure it’s probably some kind of NLP concept but I’ve never studied NLP so I don’t know, but the idea is that when you spot someone having a moment where they don’t want to accept reality you actively feed them an explanation for it that they can latch onto and they can feel better and relax because for a second they were drowning in total chaos with no idea how to swim and then you throw them a floating log to cling to and they’re like “oh whew life is okay again I can relax again, for a minute there I was worried I would have to confront reality. Back to the comforting lie whew!!” and the fucked up part is they will often THANK you for that floating log you threw them even though YOU’RE the reason they were drowning in the first place because they’re more grateful that you gave them a way to stay in their fantasy than they are mad at you for disrupting the fantasy in the first place.

This can be used for good or bad. Some good uses of this are stuff like diffusing fights/anger and tense situations or helping someone with their depression or boosting someone’s confidence or giving comfort to people who’ve gone thru trauma etc. I’ll leave the bad uses to your imagination because this week’s topics have been depressing enough as it is.

It’s a fascinating aspect of human psychology though. Is it more comforting to believe you’ve done everything wrong because of the lies your loved ones have fed you for 70 years, or to just double down on the fantasy world no matter how illogical it is, to avoid dealing with that traumatic revelation at that stage in your life where you would be helpless to do anything about it except cry alone in a hospital bed?


YaReally
on February 21st, 2015 at 5:32 pm
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@SeesMostTruth
“Men that need women to prop up their self-esteem and egos to be mentally healthy are in serious need of psychological help (think Elliot Rodger/PUAs).”

Elliot Rodger was anti-PUA and fucked in the head. PUA teaches men to base their self-worth internally, not to use women to prop up their self-esteem and egos. I’d be happy to link you to endless videos from PUAs on those subjects.

Understand that you are parroting an ignorant viewpoint based on a cartoon stereotype of what you’ve been told PUAs are (and PUA marketing is partly to blame for that) or minimal/misguided research on your end. I’m okay with that, you’re free to do as you like, but understand that you are wrong and clinging to that viewpoint will only hinder potential opportunities to expand your mind and view of the world.

As I wrote before:

” I actually respect MGTOWs for making an adamant choice. I may not agree with their choice but they’ve decided what’s important to them and what their value system is and I can respect that THEY made the choice rather than letting society make the choice for them (like the guy who’s socially pressured into marrying a chubby girlfriend).

But I also think MGTOWs have the same view of PUA that a guy like Steve has where it’s “this offends my sensibilities so I’m not even going to engage it!!” Part of that is PUA’s marketing etc. where it just seems sleazy, and a lot of bad PUAs are easy to spot (you can only really notice the BAD pickup, the good pickup just looks like cool guys getting laid and being social lol).

Either way their view of PUA seems to be that 1) a lot of it is faking who you are and supplicating to women, 2) too much to consume, too many tactics, concepts, routines, ideas, training, etc. which just results in seeing it as 3) too much work for not a good enough reward.

And I can totally understand that, I don’t fault them. Because I know they’re smart and have just been handed bad information about what PUA is. I have no doubt that a lot of MGTOWs, if they could be properly taught how simple PUA *CAN* be and how their MGTOW lives would look exactly the same except instead of callgirls they could invest in a simple half hour conversation with a girl and have a free regular fuckbuddy to bang and just keep her at an emotional distance and cut her off if she tries to bring any drama, and live exactly like they want to.

But when PUA is presented to them the way it is, it seems like too much hassle and too much pussy-begging. Then there are the more hardcore guys who are just done with interacting with women in general, whether they’ve been burned or not, but they’re just like it’s not worth even chancing that a girl at work is going to get pissed off or some girl you date will cry false rape etc. and give them a wide berth entirely and I can understand that too.

Really if MGTOW, TRP, Manosphere, MRA, and PUA all sat down and quit shitting on eachother, we’d all find out that a lot of our beliefs and attitudes overlap.”

I’d be happy to link some resources if you like. A dog is a fine pet as long as you understand it can bite you and you learn how to train/master it.

I really am thinking of writing something up for MGTOWs who don’t want to cut their dicks off. It’s silly to embrace the idea that “no one should have a dog because it might bite them” or “no one should go outside because a bear might eat them”. Just learn some basics to protect yourself and be aware of potential consequences and it’s fine lol

Sorry to clutter the comments with PUA hype Rollo, but all the RP/PUA/MGTOW/MRA/Manosphere/etc. hate for eachother is ridiculous and holding everyone back. Whether it’s a “you used the word beta, you just gave yourself away as one of those red pill retards, your opinion is dismissed” comment on reddit’s MensRights forum or a “PUAs are all pussy-beggars who need women for their self-esteem” comment on reddit’s Red Pill forum, it’s all such a waste of energy.

Study them all and there are massive core similarities in our philosophies. In the end we all want men to be free…it’s all of us VS the Feminist Imperative.


YaReally
on February 22nd, 2015 at 11:57 am
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The problem with the MGTOW view of PUA is that, like anti-gamers, Feminists, etc. they view it as:

“A beta learning to mimic alpha behaviors enough to pretend to be alpha.”

But what PUA (especially modern PUA) *ACTUALLY* is, is more like:

“An alpha, caged in Blue Pill social conditioning, learning to break free from the shackles, and RETURNING to their natural alpha state.”

A lot of what we do in PUA is what feels natural but has been beaten out of us by social conditioning. That’s why a lot of PUA tactics look like stuff we did when we were on a playground pulling pigtails. Because most guys ARE naturally alpha, but from early on (literally day 1 in some cases but often it’s once they’re old enough to be interacting with kids at school) they are socially conditioned into the Blue Pill chains that tell them “don’t speak up”, “don’t take up space”, “don’t tease girls”, “be submissive”, “worry about peer approval”, “try to appease everyone”, “sacrifice your desires for other people”, “be ashamed of your sexuality”, “be ashamed of desiring women”, “don’t talk to women unless you fit society’s arbitrary definition of success”, “supplicate to women”, “don’t expect to deserve women unless you’re tall rich and have a nice car”, “be a gentleman”, “do anything a woman wants the nicer you are the more she’ll like you” etc

Then guys go thru 20 years of that bullshit and ideally they find PUA and start removing those shackles. They do affirmations telling themselves stuff like “I make no apologies for my desires as a man” and learning that it’s OKAY and even beneficial to tease a girl when she does something dumb. They’re not ADDING behaviors to their personality…instinctively when they were 4yo they would have just taken the cookie they wanted to eat or teased the girl who did something dumb, but social conditioning taught them to second guess those instincts and be ashamed of them and “hold back”.

A lot of PUA is about learning to fully express yourself instead of holding back. It’s understanding that a lot of behaviors we THINK are “us” are actually just social conditioning that’s so deep we can’t imagine ourselves any other way.

A baby cries when it wants attention and grabs stuff to eat it when it’s hungry. We all start out running on pure instinct. It’s social conditioning that tells us not to be loud, not to bother people when we want something, to not eat when it isn’t dinner time etc.

And some of that conditioning helps us. Society has some good rules. But a LOT of that conditioning fucks us over.

PUA is about removing chains on instincts that were there when you were a baby following your desires unashamedly, not about adding foreign behaviors. In “fake it till you make it” the “fake it” is faking being comfortable dismissing your social conditioning and the “make it” is being fully okay with not listening to social conditioning and doing what you want instead.

You are NOT someone who cares about a woman’s opinion of you. That is something that was conditioned into you by society. You are NOT someone who puts women on a pedestal. That is social conditioning. You do NOT care about impressing women (when you were a kid you picked your nose in front of them you didn’t self censor your thoughts etc), that’s conditioned into you by society. You are not “beta”, that’s conditioned into you by society and you can escape that.

MGTOW is kind of like guys who’ve decided their socially conditioned selves is who they are and they’ve accepted that and don’t want to change it. They do a lot of stuff PUAs do, like not putting girls on pedestals, disqualifying girls who don’t bring enough to the table, finding a main life purpose outside of women etc (that’s why a lot of MGTOWs find women chasing them harder now that they depedestalized them), but they don’t REALIZE that they’re doing the same thing PUAs do except 1) MGTOW is disjointed and unstructured at this stage so every man ends up with various levels of social conditioning still weighing them down whereas PUAs are all learning to remove all the shackles thru a structured program…kind of like having two groups of men where one group is exercising independently from eachother with different end results and the other group is doing a military bootcamp, and 2) they are often so anti-PUA and refuse to educate themselves on it that they don’t realize the life they want to live as MGTOW is entirely possible if they learn a bit of PUA. A good PUA doesn’t have drama in his life just like MGTOWs don’t. He cuts out women who bring him drama, he never invests more than the minimum in them, he can keep work relationships with women minimal or platonic, and like I said about PUA being about acting on your instincts he is at no times supplicating to women because he isn’t acting like what he thinks they want he’s acting like he instinctively did when he was a kid before social conditioning weighed him down so he’s not performing he’s just being himself.

This is advanced shit tho lol as a newbie to PUA you feel like you’re adding behaviors, it’s only down the road that you realize what’s really going on. And PUA definitely requires an investment period of hard work for a few years to learn and apply so that’s definitely an investment of time. But it’s an investment in removing shackles, not adding new ones.

Ideally PUA gets to men when they’re 16-25 before they’re so shackled that it’s harder to escape and when they’re in that age range where they want to bang girls and are out socializing anyway so they have incentive to learn to remove the shackles and it’s convenient.

When a guy finishes college and esp in his 30s, he’s usually got so much social conditioning built up that PUA seems like a lot of work because now he doesn’t have easy socialization like he did attending a school full of peers he’s around daily. Now he has to ACTIVELY carve out time to go socialize and ACTIVELY create new social circles and ACTIVELY create opportunities to practice removing the shackles. So it seems a lot more daunting and going “fuck it, I don’t want to change I’m happy enough with my socially conditioned self as-is” and MGTOW seems a lot more appealing/easy to adopt because it’s less work.

My life basically looks like a MGTOW except that I go out and socialize with women and have sex with them. But all my relationships are on my terms, if a woman doesn’t follow my rules then she’s out. I do what I want, when I want, and I have my own life goals and purpose outside of women. I put them low priority and flake on them for anything else like work or hanging with my male buddies etc and if they have a problem with that they’re welcome to find another guy. I don’t lie to them I tell them straight up from the start that I’m not looking for a relationship and don’t do the girlfriend thing and that I have other girls on the go and if that’s an issue they’re welcome to move on. I invest at the most a couple hours and buying myself a drink, and from that I get a fuckbuddy who will doll herself up in sexy outfits and drive to my apartment and show up at my door to have sex and leave after, no cost to myself I don’t even give them food or offer to pay for their cab or anything lol. And in a few months if I can see they’re starting to get attached when I expressly stated at the start that me being their boyfriend isn’t an option, I cut them off and send them on their way to meet a guy who wants an LTR. And my work/purpose ALWAYS takes priority over all of that because I know I can always get more girls if the ones I’m seeing get butthurt that I simply txted “not tonight, working.” and didn’t entertain a big dramatic discussion about it.

But it’s a lot easier to write PUA off as the cartoon stereotype of the pussy beggars trying to fake their personality and lie to women and shower them with resources and huge time investments and drama pedestalizing them desperately chasing that whiff of magical pussy. The same way it’s easy to write MGTOWs off as a bunch of pussies who can’t get laid or write MRAs off as whiny bitter old divorced men or write the Manosphere off as a bunch of angry dudes who just want to fuck Asian hookers etc lol


YaReally
on February 22nd, 2015 at 4:25 pm
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“The shit I’ve bought over the years is essentially useless for my particular set of psychological attributes(abusive family/never really gave a fuck about society).”

eh, fuck all that. None of it affects your ability to go talk to a girl and get laid. We all have baggage, you just start taking action. Like Tyler says: “it’s funny how many mental disorders like depression and baggage and childhood angst and apathy suddenly go away once a guy is getting laid by hot girls” lol

“I mean why call it game if it’s just advice on how to “improve” yourself to make yourself palatable to women?”

This is sort of my issue with the Red Pill and parts of the Manosphere…they’re generally advocating “work out, make money, increase your value” etc. and make fun of the “pussy-chasing, numbers-game playing” PUAs who actually cold approach random girls, but they’re still taking a PASSIVE strategy. It means that ya, they’ll increase the amount of iois they get and shit, but they’ll still be stuck banging girls that choose them instead of having choice. ie – they’ll be in a bar and see a hot girl that they WANT, but they brushed off all that silly try-hard PUA nonsense and don’t have the external skills to approach and bang that girl especially since now she’s talking to a guy or she’s in a 5-set of girls or they approach and don’t know how to split the set and isolate to build enough comfort to get a solid close, so they end up not approaching her just hoping she notices them, or getting a mundane friend-zoned interaction where when she doesn’t respond to his texts the next day he says “NEXT!!!!” to preserve his ego and pretend like she wasn’t the one Next’ing him lol, and they go home with the 6 that approached them to feel their muscles and compliment them because it was easy.

Personally, I got into game to have choice. Choice requires taking action. Taking action requires some external game/tactics/concepts.

“They’ve been exposed to be so different, yet so uncaring of what I am as long as I give them what they think they want. Why try so hard to model myself after an “alpha” yet never actually become the guy who does what he wants and wins anyway? Isn’t “alpha” just about living my life as I want while having a better arsenal than the next pickled penis?”

Who cares? Drop the philosophy and go for what you want. If you want to get pussy, all you have to do is read some tips on how to seduce a girl and then go out and chat them up. Fuck all that other mental masturbation.

It’s like debating the worth of hitting the gym or why you should lift weights when cardio is better for bla bla, just go get in shape, it’s fine, take action, enjoy the sweat and looking good in the mirror lol You don’t have to rationalize it.

“I haven’t left my house to go get pussy in years.”

lol you’ll have to fix that. You can’t learn game sitting at your keyboard. You NEED to burn reference experiences into your brain so it learns to react. It’s like you can’t learn to fight at home by yourself without getting in a sparring ring with a partner. You can learn lots of cool useful stuff, but you won’t be any kind of a fighter without live practice.

Definitive video on why you need to go out:

“I want to be a test subject for your theory of a blended Red Pill/MGTOW/Non-Tradcon guy. Please feel free to point the way to me.”

Here’s the most basic material that’ll give you enough tools to get laid off cold-approach pickup:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-450395

Combine that with going out a lot. Going out to socialize should be a part of your life, even if it’s just once every week or two. A man’s life should have a balance between work, health, socializing, sex, etc. If you want to get good FAST, go out 4-6 nights/days a week for 4-6 hours a night. But depending on how socially awkward or fucked up you are in general, even going out fri/sat nights weekly should get you started toward being better in a year or two.

Once you’ve gotten the skillset down, the time/money investment is practically non-existent, like playing basketball is easy for Kobe, he could just play once a month and still be amazing. Same with exercise, if you’re a 400lbs fat fuck, you’re gonna have to hit the gym hard to get in shape, but once you GET in shape you can tone it down and just maintain it with way less investment.

This is a big part of why people reject PUA, the initial time investment is a lot. For a guy in college it’s not bad because he’s socializing all day. He can practice just speaking up more in class or inviting people to the bar to build a social circle etc., so he doesn’t have to really go out of his way to do it. But a guy who’s like, 35, divorced and working overtime to pay alimony/child support, maybe has some other responsibilities, no social circles, no friends except a couple buddies from high school who are married now, THAT guy is more likely to go “ehhh, fuck it I’m going to just go MGTOW” because he would have to invest a lot to get to where he can just coast and maintain his skillset.

I don’t want to call that just “laziness”, I understand that it’s a daunting mountain to climb (since I climbed it myself and know other guys who have), but it’s taking an easier path…which is totally fine if they’re happy with their sex lives. Like if they’re happy, that’s fuckin cool, good on ya…but I find a lot of guys who reject PUA choose those “try to become asexual” or “accept that I’m meant to not reproduce and die alone” identities because even though they’d actually LIKE a warm female body curled up to them at night, they just don’t think they can do it or don’t want to invest the time in a skillset that would require them to overhaul their lifestyle for a couple years and then return to it with the addition of being able to get laid and have the type of non-commital relationships they want.


YaReally
on February 22nd, 2015 at 4:51 pm
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“Even more, they don’t believe that they really can change it. MGTOWs want to do a work-around to masculinity instead of unshackling themselves from the Matrix. Because they are inherently cowardly Because they might fail to become men. So they don’t try and keep their hollow chests.”

This mentality is not too dissimilar from fat girls who wants men to like fat chicks instead of just hitting the gym.

But I wouldn’t paint MGTOW so narrowly. There are a lot of factors involved in MGTOW beyond just “is it possible to change?”, from “is it worth changing?” to “even if I changed would I want what that change leads to?” to “even if I changed and got what I want, would the amount of bullshit society throws at me for achieving that be worth having it?”

So like, I get that it’s not a black and white “MGTOWs are just pussies” thing. They have a lot of valid points and I can see why a guy would choose MGTOW, especially if he’s over 30 and been through a divorce or some bad relationships. The guys <25 looking into MGTOW I think would be better served taking up PUA and eventually transitioning to MGTOW when they have the PUA skillset, so that they're choosing general celibacy from a position of power/choice VS inability. ie – I think someone who grew up wanting a dog should learn to handle/lead/train a dog so that if they decide not to own a dog it's because they choose not to and not because they don't know how to keep it from biting people in the park…and I can understand why someone who's been mauled by a dog or sees no value in dogs or is too set in a lifestyle not conducive to learning how to train a dog, would just not get a dog at all.

Ultimately I'd like to see a movement that brings all these groups together so that men are basically given a lesson plan on "look, here's the bare minimum on how to get and handle and keep girls without being fucked over, here's the bare minimum on diet/exercise to improve your health, the bare minimum on careers and male disoposibility and creating wealth and building independent businesses to eject from the system, and here are the ways society is against you and why their plan for you isn't good for you and how you can avoid its pitfalls and help be an activist in trying to make changes to the legal system if you want or just secretly spread this guide to as many men as possible".

THAT'S what's going to benefit the next generations of men.

But we're a long ways away from that because everybody is too busy sniping at eachother on message boards and comment sections lol


YaReally
on February 22nd, 2015 at 5:04 pm
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Also the guide would cover the bare minimum on how to have kids in today’s society and legal traps and hypergamy traps and basically give a plan for “how to keep your girlfriend attracted enough to probably not fuck you over if you REALLY want to have kids and how having kids will affect her hypergamy and behavior and shit-testing because you can no longer easily leave and how to counter that and be prepared for it when it happens to minimize it and how to avoid getting legally married through all of it by knowing what pressures are going to be put on you and how to nullify them, and ideally successfully reproduce on your own terms in this modern age.

But like, just from that description alone you can see how a guide to just that would require combined knowledge from PUAs (attracting and maintaining a solid LTR with a quality baby mama and how her behavior and shit-testing will change), MRAs (the legal aspects/risks of fatherhood and separations and family courts bias etc.), Red Pill/Manosphere in general (maximizing your career, wealth, health, looks, etc.), MGTOW (prioritizing your own needs over women, finding a purpose and path in life to follow, rejecting society’s expectations of you voluntarily chaining yourself to the plantation), etc.

I think it’s possible to do, but it’s gonna take a lot more working together to pull off. Or someone with enough time and objectivity to sift through it all and combine it into something coherent. Who knows, maybe when I’m older and have more downtime lol


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YaReally
on February 23rd, 2015 at 1:55 pm
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@Quint
“Look at this list of losers who didn’t procreate:”

I think my only issue about this would be that while those were great men that did great things, a lot of MGTOW don’t seem to want to do much beyond just barely survive. I listen to Sandman regularly and from what I can piece together of his life he basically just makes his videos daily and takes enough jobs barely interacting with people to get by and I think there was a point he talked about where for a few years he lived on the absolute bare minimum off the grid ghost mode checked out from society entirely.

So it’s like, if you’re going MGTOW but you’re working on painting the Sistene Chapel, that’s cool. But if you’re going MGTOW and your life is just barely make enough money to scrape by, interact with as few people as possible, contribute as little as possible, and basically lose yourself in videogames, porn, and writing blogs or making videos about how shitty women are while telling other guys to join you in this bare minimum lifestyle that is very unlikely to lead to anything on the level of Da Vinci or Tesla, I mean, how can a guy say “well look at THOSE amazing guys who didn’t reproduce but built this civilization!! I’m just like THEM!!” It’s like, ehhh I can’t really agree with that.

(this isn’t to pick on Sandman in particular or anything, and I myself have the same dilemma about reproducing because I’m aware it’s legally an insane nightmare to even attempt right now and I don’t have an interest in it, but I have a purpose outside of women and when I’m in my 40s I might decide to reproduce…if I get cancer I’m going to just rawdog as many chicks as possible to leave an army of me behind lol)

@Yollo
No prob, good luck. Enjoy the process, it’s pretty damn fun if you don’t take it too seriously. There are worse ways to spend a night than being out talking to beautiful women whether they fuck you or not lol

People talk about “oh it’s a lot of time investment” when it’s like ok what else are you up to, oh you’re watching Game of Thrones and some reality TV or leaving negative self-defeating comments on blogs…just take that hour you would be doing that and instead of watching an episode of Game of Thrones, use that hour to go talk to some girls.

@anon
“There is such a thing as justified bitterness, anger, or even horror, when a man discovers the red pill.”

Totally. And I get that. It is TOTALLY logical and expected that a guy who gets burned hard will have bitterness about it and that bitterness is completely rational and I go “ya man I don’t blame you I would be pissed too, you legit got a raw deal in life.”

But then what? Stew in that “life was unfair to me” victim mentality till you die? Waste your day arguing online about who’s fault it is that you don’t have what you want? You’ve got like 40 years left, why not work toward being happy for some of those years? We are men, we overcome hardship. We find a way to survive and overcome obstacles. No one is saying that you didn’t get an unfair deal, but you have the ability to start overcoming that if you want to. It won’t be easy, it’ll suck ass at times, but it’s there if you want it.

Most people don’t though. They put on another episode of Game of Thrones and get lost in their fantasy world, rub out another load to porn, and just wait to die, blaming the unfair deal they got the whole way to the grave. And no one can say “ya, you shouldn’t be bitter” because what happened to them does suck…but I’m saying “you don’t HAVE to be bitter”.

“and I find these women are duds!”

Lots of women are shit lol no surprise there. Society doesn’t expect anything from them these days except having a pussy, so why would they work on being better than that?

A girl who’s worth settling down into an LTR with is VERY rare. That’s why I think it’s good to learn how to manage fuckbuddies and run a harem, so that you can have a lot of “cool but not quite LTR material” girls in your life and when you eventually meet one that’s way above the rest of them and you’ve properly screened her to make sure she’s a high-quality girl to you, then you can focus on her.

But the problem is guys, and I can see it in just your writing, are going around with this mentality of “I have this hole in my life and I need to fill it!! I just want the next girl I meet to be perfect and fill that hole and I can just settle down again!!” It’s rare as fuck to find a girl that’s legitimately worth settling with. Sure that’s not fair but that’s reality.

ESPECIALLY if you’re a guy who’s high-value and working on yourself and doing self-development etc. No girl is doing that, especially not past 30 lol You are probably too good for a TON of women. So keep them as casual fuckbuddies and just learn to appreciate them for what they are instead of being frustrated that they aren’t what you want them to be.

“I keep being put in a beta provider role by these mid-30s women (that’s the problem right there?)”

Yup. Here’s a list of problems that stand out to me from your post:

1) you’re old, so by default girls are going to expect that you’re ready to settle down. I’m getting more of this problem myself as I approach my mid-30s, even the young girls are thinking “I want a guy who wants to settle and this dude is in his 30s so he’s probably more likely to want to settle too instead of this 21yo peer of mine”.

2) you’re going for old chicks. Quit that shit lol You shouldn’t waste time with girls past like, 31, 32 MAX. If you’re a hideous looking dude, hit the gym and get your body in shape, ask a clothing store chick to dress you stylish, ask a hairdresser what to do with your hair (shave it if you’re balding bad), etc. Handle your shit as much as you can. Hank Moody is a cool older man, Bob from Accounting who’s wearing baggy cargo pants from the 90s and shit isn’t. Look like you care about yourself. You don’t have to be a stud, but you should look like you take pride in yourself.

Fuck that whole “go for girls your own age” thing. Girls at 35+ are not more intelligent, better read, worldly, interesting, etc. They’re bitter shitty lonely women with shitloads of baggage about the world from their career they hate because they didn’t realize they’d have to work till retirement if they don’t find a Prince Charming, to their views on men and relationships. They’re wrinkling and going downhill and they have massive baby timers on because they only have a few years to reproduce before their eggs dry up or the risks of having a down syndrome baby etc. skyrocket.

So you combine you being old with them being old and only having a few years left to find a man to have babies with and it’s like ya, of COURSE they’re trying to make you a beta provider.

Go for younger girls. You’ll find they’re also far more positive and bubbly and happy and fun to be around because they haven’t had their souls and dreams crushed by life lol Plus they’ll be more up for a fuckbuddy because in their mind they have all the time in the world to find a man VS the 37yo wrinkle-face that’s desperate for a baby

3) quit going on dinner dates. Just a beer and conversation, that’s all you need. Taking them to dinner is by default throwing you into the provider category. If they won’t go for a beer then keep working on your game till they do. Also no one wants to get naked for the first time with someone after they’ve wolfed down a meal lol, eat AFTER sex.

4) “Mid 30s on dating site is flat out looking for the beta bux at that point, right?”

Yup. Go for younger. The problem is unless your profile pic is excellent, finding younger on a dating site is going to be hard. That means to find younger you’re probably going to have to go out and approach them. But the trade-off is that you won’t get this bullshit you’re getting now lol The reward will be much better, but it’ll be harder to get to it. It’s up to you whether you want to put in that effort or not…you could always just settle with some hag who has a shitty personality and lies about taking birth control so she can nail you down for 18 more years of child support, that’s always an option lol

5) “That brings me back to my lack of social circle and lack of going out on weekends problem (I have my kids every weekend).”

No biggie. Happy hours during the week are full of people, do some googling and find out which bars in your area have Happy Hours and hit them up. Grab a drink and chill at the bar and chat up the bartender and whoever’s beside you. Start making friends that way. Don’t be super picky for now, just socialize, you can upgrade your social circles later. Also pick the bar with hot girls, go for the bar with girls that seem young and hot to you instead of the old people cougar bars. A lot of younger girls are into older men these days, just put yourself in their environment and be cool/social with the people around you.

One strategy Paul Janka uses that I’ll probably use when I’m older and tired of the bar scene, is to collect numbers during the week, like lunch breaks go hit the grocery store or mall where everyone goes on their lunch breaks and chat girls up with a quick little routine, say “I have to get back to work but this was fun, we should go for a drink sometime, what’s your number?” and grab some numbers thru the week then set up actual dates for like Thursday nights or Sunday nights. Set the date at like 7pm and you should be able to get them into bed before midnight…when you get good you’ll be able to get them into bed by 9pm lol This method avoids using your weekends for dates and avoids competing with dudes in the bar…but it takes more nerves because you have to approach during the day and that’s all scary and shit for guys lol

An older dude with not a lot of free time is best served by social circle game and squeezing in day game where he can. Cold-approach Same-Night-Lay game is literally the least efficient way to get laid lol we do it for the challenge and learning experience. But really, building a social circle and having your reputation do half the work for you and having other guys/girls BRING you girls who’ve heard about you etc. is a way more efficient strategy.

6) “Total waste of time because she was a flat out bitch who did not even try to have fun or relax”

This is something older women do a lot. They’re just not fun. I literally avoid women past 30, I have no interest in dealing with their negative depressing shit lol I find girls past 27 start to go downhill into negative spirals about life. Go for younger girls.

7) “and I was “on” too. I was in a good mood and ready to have a good time (and yes I was groomed, I’m good looking, and I smelled good).”

Walk away. End the date. Just walk out if she’s shit. Imagine if instead of sitting there and politely wasting your time, you had taken your “on” feeling and ended things immediately and gone to sit at the bar or in another bar and chatted with a hot female bartender about how “I just walked out on a date, am I an asshole? She was SO boring…I expect women to bring something to the table and to be interesting conversationalists, what is it with women my age these days? They’re so boring. You’re not boring are you? Restore my faith in women, tell me something interesting about you.” Sure, you probably wouldn’t bang that hot bartender, but how much more fun of a night would that have been? Who knows, maybe there’s some girl beside you who sees you making the hot bartender laugh and she gets curious about you. Maybe you strike up an interesting conversation with a dude and he becomes the start of a new social circle for you. Who knows? So many possibilities.

Don’t waste your time on people who don’t deserve it. Even if they think you’re an asshole, who cares, if they wanted you to invest your time and energy and money in them then they should bring more to the table to earn it.

8) “do you have any advice or good links”

Start here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-453958

And Google “Paul Janka pdf” and check out Attraction Formula and Getting Laid in NYC. Both appear to be free. Paul is a super good-looking dude but ignore that, focus on his actual content. He runs a ton of daygame and he has some interesting views on it that will be useful for a guy who can’t go out Fri/Sat nights. Daygame costs literally $0, you can just walk around a public area with people and stop girls and chat and grab a number. Meet up for a beer or two (no food) and back to your place for minimal $ investment.

That’ll get you started but it’s up to you to take action. No one will fix you, no one cares about you, no one cares if you are just miserable for the next 40 years of your life. You are the ONLY one who cares about your happiness and success in life. You are the only one that can fix you. Guys like me are around to support you, but you’re gonna have to do the bulk of the work.

Good luck. 🙂


YaReally
on February 23rd, 2015 at 6:44 pm
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“MGTOW does not necessarily mean avoiding women entirely. MGTOW guys can still socialize and date women, but just don’t marry or cohabitate with women. At least that is my understanding.”

That’s even MORE reason to learn some basic PUA to learn how to avoid marriage and cohabitation and oxytocin and keep them at a distance while letting them close enough to have a long-term casual relationship where you can see other girls drama free etc. instead of rejecting it all as pussy-begging.

This is basically saying “well I don’t want to learn how to TRAIN a dog, those guys who learn how to handle dogs are just supplicating to dogs! Dogs are dangerous and can kill you!!! …but I’m still going to go play in the park with dogs”…like wtf?

I mean, if you’re not going to learn how to handle them then you probably SHOULD stay away from them. Makes no logical sense lol Either choose to interact with them on your own terms and learn the skillset that allows you to manage that efficiently, or don’t learn and stay away from them entirely. Don’t have one foot in and one foot out or you’re going to get bitten.


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YaReally
on February 20, 2015 at 10:07 am
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lol don’t worry, the tide is turning. Shit will be very different in 10-20 years.

10 years ago there was no PUA industry teaching men how to get a girl. Now game and red pill teaching is mainstream.

10 years ago no average 21yo dude knew anything about protein powder or macros. Now the majority lift.

10 years ago the average 21yo dude wasn’t thinking about multiple passive income streams and bucking the system to be a self-sufficient entrepreneur. Now I know guys in their mid-20s buying and flipping condos and running side/Internet businesses and shit.

What do these societal shifts all have in common? Men who were being shut out of getting what they wanted from the SMP started figuring out how to raise their value to get what they wanted from the SMP.

The same thing is verrrrry slowly starting to happen with women but it won’t be noticable on a large scale for a solid 10-20 years and even then it’ll be more like 30-40 before it’s the majority.

What is PUA really but “charm school” for men. Why did women go to “charm school”? To learn how to maximize their value to land a high-value man.

When high-value men reject women for long-term commitment long enough to reach the tipping point, “charm school” will make a return. It’ll be underground like PUA was, to avoid feminists accusing them of betraying womanhood, but when the first handful of 23yos who exercise cook clean have positive attitudes etc land actual legit husbands and a happy family life with kids, other women are going to think “ok I’m still a feminist BUT this bitch landed a high value husband and all these other girls are being pump n dumped…it may not be feminist approved but fuck it I’m looking out for number one and I’m gonna learn to cook clean exercise etc and hamster rationalize it as empowering so I can land a husband like she did”

There will be Jezebel articles about homemaking being the new feminist empowerment one day lol

The <25yos I meet have their shit together better than the 25-45yo women (aka victims of feminism). An increasing number of <25yos are at the gym (in my experience it's the 22-25yos, the 18-21s are still retarded lol) doing squats regularly, running marathons, learning to cook, not going to bars as much (once every few months mostly sober instead of wasted weekly), READING even, looking to lock down a man BEFORE they focus on their career instead of after, starting to question feminism, starting to see their lonely cat lady feminist aunts working till retirement and thinking about how much more appealing the Mad Men lifestyle of taking care of a high-value alpha man looks, etc.

They're not good at it yet because all the ways that they need to offer value are scorned by feminists so there's a lot of conditioning to hamster around to justify it, but from what I've been seeing in-field women are going to figure out how to maximize their value the same way PUAs did and cooking exercise etc will be their "Red Pill" that starts to spread.

Calling it now lol. So whoever's reading this archived somewhere in 2055: The YaReally Reversion Theory was born right here lol It's why I'm waiting another 10-15 years before I consider settling down, I expect the selection to be much higher quality and the next generation of men being born right now, when they get to 35-40, will be in paradise with the selection of marriage quality women.


  • Ripp
    on February 20, 2015 at 2:35 pm
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    2055 US History Books in Uni:

    Dr. YaReally and the poop that brought down feminism. A revisionist movement.

    “I have a dream…”

    Lolzzllolz

    I Dont know man. I still see so many early 20s women that are most concerned with the next vegas/cochella/cool thing and college + career shit…oh and of course the yearning to get pooped up on by guys like us.

    But the cat lady 40s+ headed for insol is growing at a rapid pace. Exponentially it seems like.

    We’ll see. Until then…u best know I’ll be pinching off kashi cereal pure loafs on all dem biatches.


    • YaReally
      on February 20, 2015 at 8:32 pm
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      @Ripp
      “I Dont know man. I still see so many early 20s women that are most concerned with the next vegas/cochella/cool thing and college + career shit”

      Like I say, it’s not common yet lol It’s not going to be something that’s noticable for a while and it’s going to happen at different speeds in different cities etc. It’s not going to just be an overnight upgrade across the board tomorrow lol And I know the Manosphere especially loves to spank their rage-boner over how horrible western women are these days because it helps them justify their shitty game.

      But I’m noticing the seeds sprouting out there and I wasn’t looking for it it’s just something I’m running into enough to think “hmm…that’s an interesting thing that just happened, I thought the last time it happened was just an anomally…”

      Or maybe I’m just the absolute luckiest guy in the world and I just completely by sheer luck run into these quality girls in which case I should buy a lottery ticket lol

      @mendozatorres
      “Once other women see it firsthand, the proof is in their pudding.”

      That’s what I’m banking on. Guys don’t swallow the Red Pill because it tastes good…we WISH the world was the fantasy that Disney and the Blue Pill sold us, but reality aligns with the Red Pill so we accept it. Feminism can shit all over putting a man before a career but if a handful of girls land a high-value man by doing that, other women are going to follow suit and we all know women are pro at acting in their best self-interest and rationalizing away any issue anyone has with it lol

      @LWM
      “I’m trying to find an old TD article ‘ 25 Points of Not Telegraphing Interest’”

      The one you linked is the only 25 point article by Tyler that I can think of off-hand.



remmem
on February 20, 2015 at 4:03 pm
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Got a question for yareally or anyone who’s hard-nexted a girl..

Had a GF of 7months. She started getting flaky and bitchy to me, hard-nexted her.

She caught glimpses of me during it with other girls, one time she blind-sided me when I was on a bench, on a date with a girl and there was absolute terror in her voice. I laughed and left immediately w/o speaking to her. (lol, didnt laugh on purpose.)

Anyways 3 months past and she txted me. Ignored it, she txted me again the next night ” What are you doing tonight.”

Two days later I finally called her and asked if I could stop by, She was absolutely against it, told me she had to go and hung up. Was kinda pissy.

I txt her the next day..She rapid fires my questions..I told her too many questions i’d call her..

She replies, ” No, that’s ok.”

I called her, shit-tested me really hard and I mostly passed IMO. She was laughing by the end but said, ” I’m not doing this!!”, meaning not making small talk/ shooting the shit with me.

Why’d that happen? What’s up? And do I give up or chase her for a bit?

First time I’ve ever hard-nexted a girl.


  • YaReally
    on February 20, 2015 at 8:42 pm
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    “Two days later I finally called her and asked if I could stop by, She was absolutely against it, told me she had to go and hung up. Was kinda pissy.”

    You gave her the validation she wanted so she doesn’t need to chase you anymore.

    Now you have to hard-next her for like 6 months because now you’ve taught her that if you hard-next her you’ll eventually cave and start chasing her again and call her and “ask if you can stop by” (?? wtf, you don’t do this, you wait till she’s begging to stop by your place and then you reluctantly allow her to, you don’t go chasing HER lol).

    You’re chasing her now which undoes everything the Next was doing so you might as well not have done a Next in the first place.

    Don’t cave on the Next or you just fuck yourself over. Read walawala’s fiasco with his ex for what happens when you keep caving on a Next too soon.

    (also for accuracy’s sake this isn’t a Hard Next, a Hard Next is when she’s completely removed from your life forever, you’re just doing a long Soft Next…common mistake tho, I’ve probably fucked this terminology up myself in the past lol)


    • YaReally
      on February 21, 2015 at 6:11 pm
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      @remmem
      “It was actually a conscious decision to chase after her for a bit”

      Irrelevant. Doesn’t matter why you wrote 2 + 2 = 5, you may have been perfectly justified from your perspective but 2 + 2 still = 4, you’re not getting the checkmark on your test for it regardless of whether it was on purpose or not. Sounds harsh but that’s just how it is lol

      “I soft-nexted her for two weeks once before..She was really just..Butt-hurt. She drunk called me like 4 dff nights..I call her and she absolutely is over ever seeing me again. I told her she’s overreacting, that I still wanted to hangout if we could get along..And she txts me two days later to hangout.”

      And how did that work out in the long-run? Like you said “She started getting flaky and bitchy to me” Why do you suppose that happened? What girl would start getting flaky and bitchy to her man? Maybe one who’s been taught by that man that no matter how shitty she behaves, he will eventually chase her again…she now has two reference experiences that no matter how shitty she is, all she has to do is waggle her tits in your face a few times and you’ll chase her again.

      So now you’ve taught her TWICE not to respect you. The reason you’re here now is a direct result of your actions from before, where you taught her she doesn’t need to fear losing you.

      “Idk. I’ve had a lot of success putting a little effort to get back in touch with girls after soft-nexting them. Never really blocked a girl out for so long before.

      Is making an ex beg to get back with you really the only way? Can’t you just hit them up after like 8 months of silence and “Wanna get a drink?””

      lol I mean, try it and let us know how it works out in the long-run. You might be the lucky lottery winner.

      Like walawala said:

      “My biggest mistake as YaReally points out was to constantly believe that I could circumvent the process…”

      Sorry dude. If it helps we’ve ALL been there at some point. I know how it feels, but right action takes priority over good feels.


  • ho
    on February 21, 2015 at 12:40 am
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    Pretty sure you’re still good to go. Need to stay balanced.


    • YaReally
      on February 22, 2015 at 3:16 pm
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      @remmem
      “I read that on blackdragon’s thread about soft-nexting, not my idea. Same with shooting them a feeler txt after 3-6 months to meetup, a year if that fails.”

      Gotta’ understand that you’re dealing with a bigger problem than he’s talking about. He’s talking about first offenses but you, I’m assuming, let her behavior get out of control enough to finally soft next her. So by default you’re dealing with a much more aggressive situation, which calls for a longer next and being harder to get than a default 3-7 day recontact her soft next.

      Like, you let a LOT of little behaviors slide over those 7 months that added up to this. Every time you let one of those behaviors slide that’s another reference experience she has that you’ll put up with bullshit.

      If you had been properly soft next’ing her literally from day 1 on very minor infractions, you wouldn’t get to the point where you have to do a huge soft next like this.

      That’s why it’s hard for a married guy to suddenly start soft nexting his wife. She already has like 10 years of experience of him letting her get away with shit so she doesn’t respect his authority or willingness to cut her out of his life for good. Whereas a girl who, the very first couple times she’s late for something or cancels something, suffers instant soft nexts, she’s very likely to quit that behavior because she realizes it has immediate consequences and she’s not likely to ramp that behavior UP because she fears losing the guy.

      Make sense? It’s like a dog, you can calm a dog down as long as you get him when he’s just noticing a car and is a 3 on a 1-10 scale of aggression, but if you let that dog get to a 7 it’s gonna be a lot harder, and if he gets to a 10 you aren’t gonna be able to control him. So from day 1 you have to be paying attention and be ready to snuff that shit out before it even gets to a 3 so that it learns not to go past 3. If you let it constantly jack up to 10 every time a car goes by, when the 50th car that goes by and you try to get his attention to calm him down at 3 he’s going to ignore that and blast up to 10 because he’s so used to that.

      “Unforunately in 6 months i’ll have other girls by than. And I don’t see her chasing me 9 months after we parted ways beyond a casual, ” Hey whats up?”, she won’t give two shits by than. Neither will I.”

      That’s the rub. :) GFTOW and use this relationship to force yourself to remember how important it is to be soft next’ing at the start and set the frame of the relationship from day one. Don’t be passive, be active.

      It’s like having multiple girls, if the girl you’re with knows from day one that you have other girls on the go then she’ll be okay with it if she stays with you. But if you act like you have no other girls and do 5 years with her and then suddenly want to have other girls, you’re going to have an uphill if not impossible battle because you didn’t set that frame from the start.

      Don’t worry, it gets easier with time. All of this is learning experiences. There are other amazing chicks out there and you’ll enter relationships with them handling them with proper discipline from day 1 because of this loss.


    • YaReally
      on February 22, 2015 at 7:04 pm
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      got a response in mod

      also a response up above in mod. PLZ HELP ME HURTIZTE!!11



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Reco
on February 17, 2015 at 10:53 am
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Hello YA Really,HABD,Walawala. I have been laying low the past couple of months. Not too active. Got a part time plate still spinning and doing a few approaches but not a lot. I have had a lot of problems with the whole idea of approaching en mass that is talked about frequently on here and due to my age probably is not congruent.

But I still do approach in more casual day to day circumstances, waiters, bartenders, chicks in airports, mass transit, hotels, etc. And it is going slow but there has been some progress. Remember that most of my leads have come from online in the past and I have not been doing that for a while. I Came across a very good lead a couple of weeks ago. Very cute bartender that is located in a plaza walking distance from hotel I stay at when traveling to her city. There was a very strong vibe right from the start lots of good strong eye contact body language and a little banter. But of course she is in hospitality and you never can tell. My game is quite mellow, not a lot of entertaining her, just banter, eye contact, body language and as much touching as I can squeeze in. She looked to be about 23 blond petit smoking body, a very solid 8 maybe better. But I could swear there was strong interest. So I did not do anything, just beat myself up over it later. But I came back the following week to give it another try.

This time I spent more time talking and flirting. She responded very well with enthusiasm in fact, and the place was busy but she spent time talking with me. I even tried a couple of the speed dating questions from the first group on the post below. And she really liked those and dug into them. Then I found out she has a kid and is a little older than I thought she is 29 damn she looks good for 29. Then she had to leave. But she made sure to come over and talk to me before leaving and did something that has always vexed me about hitting on bartenders. It is very hard to touch them and escalate touch because of the huge fucking bar between us. So I reached over the bar and took her hand and let it linger for a few extra seconds. This seemed to work. There was chemistry. But I did not close the deal. I am going back to close the deal and would like any ideas or suggestions you may have. I am thinking of just going over some more of the speed dating questions, and then after an hour or two just flat out ask her when she gets off. If she wants to meet at my hotel bar for a drink. Kind of simple but may do the trick. What do you guys think?


  • YaReally
    on February 17, 2015 at 3:23 pm
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    @Reco
    Good you’re still kickin lol

    Your situation is tough because you have a home life you can’t fuck up and travel. If you were a single guy at your age you would have an easier time because while mass cold-approaching might not be congruent, you would be able to build a huge reputation in the nightlife scene in your area, getting to know the staff everywhere and you would be able to go chill at the bar chatting with the staff and girls would be curious about you and place themselves nearby where you can casually open them and bring them into the conversation etc.

    So don’t beat yourself up, you’re working with a HUGE handicap. The fact that you’re doing ANYTHING is great compared to your peers lol

    “I am thinking of just going over some more of the speed dating questions, and then after an hour or two just flat out ask her when she gets off. If she wants to meet at my hotel bar for a drink. Kind of simple but may do the trick. What do you guys think?”

    Ya this is fine. She’s into you. Just don’t do it gay like “So ummm…what time are you off? If uhh you’re not doing anything do you maybe want to meet up?” Run your Qs and when she gives a nice deep vulnerable personal answer (remember to go from light Qs to the deep ones, transition even if it’s just in 2 or 3 questions), lock those laser eyes on her and confidently with solid breaking rapport assume the sale with “I’m impressed…what time are you off.” “lol what? 11, why?” “Because we’re going for a drink.” with no flinching or uncertainty. If she’s like “omg I can’t just leave work” just tease her with “It’s dead in here. Bat your eyelashes and ask the other bartender to handle it.”

    EVEN IF she says no, she’ll be flattered and just treat it like no big deal and act normal. If it’s not a big deal to you it won’t be to her, what you feel she feels.

    Make sure no one can overhear you two, so pick a spot at her bar that doesn’t have people beside you and isn’t near where other staff come up to punch shit in the register etc. so she doesn’t get ASD.

    Also figure out her shift. Usually bars have an 11am – 5pm shift and a 5pm – 2am shift, but some venues have odd shifts like in a popular venue she might start at 9pm. Or in a dead venue on an off night where there there are other bartenders, she may be able to skip out early at 11pm because it’s dead and the other bartender can handle the rest of the night etc.

    Try to think back to what times of the night she was there and that gives you somewhere to start from. If she gets off at 2am she may think you won’t still be awake so you could lace in some stuff about being on a night schedule lately. If she can get out at like 10-11 you’re gold.

    Expect to grab her # and leave and then meet up after her shift at your hotel lounge like when she txts be like “I’m at Lounge, see you soon.” (assuming the sale). It’s a bit weird for staff to hang out with the customer all night and then also go home with him, lots of people notice that. It’s fine if you’ve only been there for one drink and she’s off shift in like 20 minutes, but it’s weird if you’re sitting there for 4 hours while she works lol so as soon as she agrees to meet up, get outta’ there and take a nap ’cause you might be up late lol

    Good luck. Give it a try, just remember to be smart, no personal information etc.



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YaReally
on February 16th, 2015 at 6:25 am
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In my early 30s right now and as my friends all settle down I get pretty much no end of “don’t you want someone who loves you unconditionally forever” and “you’re going to die alone” etc.

Thing is this:

1) There’s no guarantee living the good BP beta life will have anyone there for you at the end of your life. I’m pretty sure Hugh Hefner the socialite playboy is going to have a LOT more love around him on his deathbed than Bob the accountant who’s wife divorced him and turned his kids against him (or died before him) and they’re busy with their own lives and can’t be bothered to check in on him more than once a month after they ship him off to the old folks home to sit there watching Wheel of Fortune day in and day out with a bunch of old people the majority of whom wasted their life sitting on a couch watching TV working some shitty job they hate instead of going out and living life.

2) If you take care of your body you can be pretty damn healthy into your old age. I’m getting more into healthy eating and exercise these days as I fully commit to living the PUA life till 45 minimum. Van Damme is 54 and in better shape than I’ll ever be.

And I mean look at this shit:

I tried a Tai Chi pattern for fun a little while ago and I was surprised that it actually forced me to use some muscle (lots of squatted thighs and holding your arms up and out unsupported through the whole thing) and focus on balance and rotate my limbs through full ranges of motion etc. Like no wonder those old Chinese people doing this shit daily are often pretty mobile, they’re getting a decent daily workout that involves keeping their joints mobile and limber. I’ll probably take it up when I turn 45.

Throw in a healthy diet of lots of raw foods and tea and shit and social acceptance of exercise (like in the comments for that video: “I wish it was more like this here. In my efforts to exercise in public the vibe I get is like I am perceived as doing something inappropriate,or causing a spectacle, or asking for trouble, or showing off, or being immature. Even when there is a pull-up bar at the park people act like it is something outrageous,bold or even menacing to see someone exercising with any vigour. This should change we should have outdoor public exercise stations at all parks big and small and encourage people to use them. “) and that video isn’t that crazy a surprise.

Meanwhile this is our kids:

Who become this.

Those are my fucking PEERS. Those are what people think of when you say “mid-30s”. That’s why girls are always shocked at my age and put me at around 28 max. Because I don’t look or act like these guys. I can’t even relate to these guys.

And then we’re shocked we end up like this:

We just treat our bodies like shit over here. Abuse the fuck out of them and then spend our old age useless. I would bet any one of those old chinese people exercising in the park has a more interesting social life with friends/loved ones than anyone in that nursing home pic.

3) I look around at the people I know and I am CONSISTENTLY on a day to day basis, overall happier than any of them…often by SIGNIFICANT amounts. Like they may have a good day or two every month or so, less frequently if they’ve been married for a while and are 35+…but that’s just a Tuesday to me. I love my life and see nothing but awesomeness in my future. To me everyone else just seems various degrees of miserable and dissatisfied and frustrated with their lives. Most of them are off purpose, most of them are living the lives other people pressured them into living, most of them know they’re not happy but don’t know how to fix it or don’t have the strength of will to go through the pain period of fixing it…everyone is just walking around in scarcity and lower-consciousness thinking.

I will take 60 years of day to day happiness and joy and adventures and awesome memories socializing and meeting women and making friends with the risk of a few years of loneliness toward the end when I’m too senile to remember anyone visiting me anyway, than a lifetime of slavery, misery and frustration and dissatisfaction complaining over beers and wings with my other fat unsatisfied buddies as we sit on the couch watching the superbowl eating pizza with the dice roll chance of someone coming by to “do their duty” making idle chit-chat for an hour before ditching me for another month when I spend 10 years crippled over helpless being wheeled around from the TV set to the greasy buffet in an old folks home.

Every guy, when he hits 30, should be required to look up all the hot girls and all the guys they remember from high school on Facebook/etc. and see what they’ve become. The women will all look brutal, despite being only 30 like them, and the men will all be working shitty jobs, fat, sadness in their eyes, no goals or ambition, etc.

If someone wants me to take up the Blue Pill life, then they’re gonna have to show me examples of dudes who are killing it living that life. ’cause from where I’m standing, even in my early 30s I am living a more exciting life than 90% of the guys my age and if one of them and I both keeled over tomorrow, he would have at best his wife who can barely even stand him at his funeral and a couple of her friends he’s gone to brunch with (’cause he’s not allowed to hang out with his buddies anymore, he ditched them for her or she told him he’s not allowed to hang out with them anymore), and I would have a dozen girls who all wish they could have been my GF, a bunch of random dudes from my social circle who liked hanging out with me, and a few good bros-for-life that know me better than a wife who’s love is based on the condition that I never share my problems or fears, would ever know me.

But hey, maybe I’m just rationalizing. What I really need is a feminist or blue pill guy who can’t get his wife to fuck him to tell me what will REALLY make me happy. lol


YaReally
on February 16th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
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@Tony232
That video was fucking cringe-worthy. I watched his vids and just have a constant cringe-face planted on. If anyone wants to see what “incongruency” looks like, listen to this guy talk about “getting those pussies” and “clits on your tongue” holy hell lol

I like MGTOW but I think MGTOW needs more Luimarcos who are bridging the gap between killing it with exercise/career and learning enough Red Pill to date without getting attached or only allow relationships on their own terms and understand how the dynamics change when you have a kid or legal contract or make her your only focus where she knows you can’t easily walk away from her. But a lot of MGTOWs refuse to even look at that kind of stuff and just immediately write it all off as “pussy begging”.

This is the exact guy who would make fun of PUAs and call us all guys supplicating to the power of pussy and chasing it and we’re all gonna get hurt and be sad and bla bla and you have to lie to get women because women won’t stick around in a relationship where you aren’t settling down (because he and other MGTOWs either haven’t TRIED that or if they have they’ve done it in that spergy MGTOW way of “I DON’T WANT ANY COMMITMENT IF U ARENT OK WITH THAT THEN FUCK OFF” instead of a smooth slick rapport/comfort way that a good PUA does where you ease her into accepting it without lying by showing her from the start that you can see other women and still make time for her if she deserves it).

Thing is if you want people to follow your lead, then you gotta’ be someone they want to be. I don’t think I could spend ten minutes in a room with this guy without backing out slowly cringing (skip to 22:55 for a shitshow):

This guy looks just miserable. A lot of MGTOWs on YouTube sound just seethingly raging under the surface. I listen to them because I like a lot of MGTOW concepts (a lot of it aligns with PUA/MRA/etc.) but some of them I just can’t listen to because I picture a guy like this just raging in his basement, or the reverse a happy asexual jolly out of shape type dude who’s just checked out completely from interacting with women.

“Pussy obsessed” or not I would much rather be around guys like this:

Here’s some lower energy guys:

Hell here’s a 50yo PUA coach:

Who put out inspiring messages like this for men instead of these weird hopeless angry basement rants:

Ya some of them have faggy vibes lol but it’s healthy to be out socializing and interacting with women. As long as you understand the dynamics at work that cause one-itis and avoid the pitfalls, it’s fine. Pitbulls are fine dogs to own if you understand what you’re doing to minimize the risks.

Hell, Tyler has 2 cute kids and a long-term Primary GF with no legal marriage contract, and is not only out banging other girls with full permission but his GF has 3-somes with him. Will he get burned down the road? Maybe. But if he’s gonna end up as depressing as the guy in that video is at 50, I’d rather have Tyler’s memories to keep me warm at night than this angry guy lol

Who’s having more fun in life in general? This guy who’s putting out angry rants in his basement about how evil women are, or guys who are like “ya girls can be trouble but I set the type of relationship I want and move on if she doesn’t fulfill that deal, no big deal there are plenty of other girls out there as long as I don’t let my value drop Hypergamy should keep her around and if not I can choose from a hundred other girls who’d love the chance to be my GF if she bails.”

MGTOW needs guys like Luimarco to make MGTOW look cool/fun/admirable, they shouldn’t be shitting on him. Ya he needs some schooling in how to avoid LTR problems and how to smoothly make a casual “live in separate apartments, no marriage” arrangement work long-term…but like, MGTOW should either incorporate a bit of PUA game into it, just enough to be able to interact with women and set the frame of a relationship and adhere to it without letting their emotions overrun logic, or lay off guys like Lui who aren’t terrified of being in the same room with women.

If I’m some 18yo kid and I watch the videos above and look at the pitches from PUA and MGTOW, which guys would I rather be hanging out with? Who looks like they enjoy life day to day? Who seems like a good influence? Who’s mindsets do I want to have when I’m 50? Who seems like they’re going to end up miserable on their death bed and who seems like they’re going to look back on the adventures they’ve had with a smile from ear to ear?

I like MGTOW in general, and I’m glad men are making a choice to bail from the plantation, but I think the “no women at ALL!!!” mentality is going to hold it back. MGTOWs don’t need full PUA knowledge but personally I think if they promoted a few articles about how one-itis and Hypergamy and purpose affect LTR attraction and handling shit-tests in LTRs etc, they would be a lot more appealing to young men looking for guidance who don’t want to just shut their boners down and be asexual like some of these older MGTOWs have.


YaReally
on February 16th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
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Also here’s a fucking GREAT post about LTRs:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2w2ine/longterm_relationship_game_theory_a_beginners/

I haven’t read the whole thing but what I’ve skimmed I agree with. This is the kind of stuff MGTOW needs where it’s just the basics and some warnings stripped down to let guys know how to safely have women in their lives on their own terms and what pitfalls to look out for (like how voluntarily giving up the ability to leave them means you lose your power so if you want to have kids with one you have to look into how to make that work by upping your dread game and staying high-value etc.).

As long as you follow the rules you can have long-term relationships with women that are safe. You don’t have to get legally married or move in with them or promise monogamy if you don’t want to (all of those things restrict your ability to leave which is your only power in an LTR), those are all voluntary things men decide to do. Kids is the only thing that unavoidably locks you down and takes away the power to leave.

If MGTOW had a brief guide like that, it would probably be more appealing an option to young men. It would be like a condom, where you can say “look I know you’re not gonna shut your dick off, you’re gonna get involved with girls, so here’s a guide to do so safely.”

But as long as MGTOW is so vehemently against PUAs that knowledge is never going to make a crossover.


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YaReally
on February 18th, 2015 at 8:50 am
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@Elias
Your story reminded me of a thing my RP buddies and I have all noticed:

As a single dude, if I get sick and I have more than one fuckbuddy, odds are one of them is going to bring me some soup or offer to do something for me. Because they want me to pick them over the other girls. I get all sorts of sympathy and them going out of their way to bring me anything I need etc.

If I get sick but DON’T have any girls on the go (or the girls I have are too casual for it) then I’m all on my lonesome. It’s super sad, I just lay there crying to myself at my pain thinking “why didn’t I listen to the Blue Pill and just get myself a wife or a girlfriend to ease this lonely suffering” (lol, really I just play xbox and nap and order some comfort delivery food) But after a week I’m back to full health and ready to rock.

But what my buddies in LTRs and I have noticed is that when THEY’RE sick? Sure, they get about a day of sympathy and babying. But the next day? Their girls all shift into “ugh, just suck it up” mode and actually seem REPULSED by them that they would need help. My buddy’s LTR GF of like 5 years wouldn’t even pick him up some cold meds on her way home from work because he had been sick for about a week and ran out.

Girls don’t want their man to be sick, it’s SCARY if their man can be sick and the world can defeat him, he’s supposed to be infallible. They don’t want the guy who lays there sick and asks for help, they want the guy who’s too sick to get up but tries to anyway and they have to FORCE to take a break…so even when they’re sick they have to be or give off the appearance of being a workhorse. I’m sure there’s a Rollo article on this lol

So really, what’s the difference between my buddies and I if I don’t have any girls on the go and we both get sick? They get a day more of sympathy the first day and then they’re in the same boat as I am except they have to worry that if they’re sick for TOO long or complain TOO much, their girl will lose attraction and bail on them lol

The fucked up part is that some of these guys are IN these LTRs because they’re afraid of dying alone. They think the GF/wife who won’t even bring them chicken noodle soup if they’re sick for a week, is going to be at their bedside while they’re in the last few years of their life. Like those chicks are going to just 180 from the behavior they display now and aren’t going to be in that “just die already, this is costing us money” mode.

When Hef is on his deathbed he’s going to have a non-stop parade of visitors dropping in to pay their respects while half my buddies are going to be watching Wheel of Fortune wondering why their wife has abandoned them after they broke their back working a job they hate and gave up their dreams for her for the last 40 years.

NAWALT on this one, I’ve met girls who have very nurturing personalities, but they’re few and far between in our current “why fix it? Just replace it with one that works” culture of no-fault divorce and consumerism mindset, and more IMPORTANTLY the VAST majority of guys don’t SCREEN for it. They are so scared to be alone that they won’t risk screening out a girl who doesn’t have that aspect to her personality. They excuse it and then delude themselves into thinking the girl is going to 180, like she would have ANY motivation to when she’s landed a guy by being how she is.

The hamstering in men blows my mind sometimes lol Like I say some of these guys are RP guys too. I wouldn’t even CONSIDER settling with a girl unless she was displaying a shitload of those nurturing traits on a regular basis. Like, not even a chance.


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on February 15, 2015 at 4:08 pm
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Evolution of pulp romance fiction in last 50 years closely follows the degradation of society and its females
What remains and always will remain immutable is the banality of genre which in turn closely follows the banality of female mind if such thing ever existed


  • Alec Leamas
    on February 15, 2015 at 4:21 pm
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    I’d expect that we’ll be seeing a subgenre featuring 30 something plus women with high notch counts and possibly extra weight who are chosen by the Fabio character over younger and more beautiful, virginal women for some reason that no man would seriously consider an asset (i.e. career). It’d both play on the Alpha fantasy while also ratifying poor life choices – she can still be rescued by the high status Alpha after fucking her life up and making herself unlovable.


    • YaReally
      on February 16, 2015 at 3:15 am
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      “It’d both play on the Alpha fantasy while also ratifying poor life choices – she can still be rescued by the high status Alpha after fucking her life up and making herself unlovable.”

      pshhhh…no way women would be dumb enough to buy into THAT fantasy.

      http://jezebel.com/betty-white-makes-out-with-bradley-cooper-officially-w-1686027246

      “Eh I hope this doesn’t mean they’re a thing now. Girl can do so much better.”

      “Yeah, but he’s good enough for tonight!”

      “I think you meant to say that Bradley Cooper had the privilege of kissing Betty White. He’s the real winner in this scenario.”

      …fuck.



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  • YaReally
    on February 16, 2015 at 2:53 am
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    ah shitty. Check her out in Squirting 101, legendary scene and Squirting 101 is where I learned how to make girls squirt. Clips around the net don’t seem to have the second part of the vid where the guy makes some asian chick squirt with a 60 second countdown which is a shame cause that had some good info in it too, but the spider-man motion he talks about in the main part of the vid is the big key.



Comment Of The Week: Balancing Comfort With Anxiety

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Culum Struan
on February 15, 2015 at 4:39 pm
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YaReally/Sentient/HABD/Walawala/Kant and the rest of the guys:

Any tips on younger (18-19) women and escalating? I’m 35.

My escalation skills are pretty decent – all but one of my last 10 first dates (from online) ended in kisses/makeouts and two out of the ten in a toilet BJ. I still need to work on getting that level of consistency in first night lays as opposed to just makeouts, but I’m decent.

But the one girl in the last 10 that I didn’t kiss (and another a couple nights ago who I just barely kissed) were both 18-19 and I just couldn’t get it going with them. Like they were perfectly friendly and compliant – with the handholding and kino and stuff (and in the case of the latest girl, with kissing lightly – no resistance at all) but it was as if they were on edge a bit – not entirely comfortable..a bit nervous and naive. They enjoyed my stories and conversations and were engaged, but I just couldn’t verbally escalate either.

They were both college freshmen very obviously trying to expand their horizons and trying out older men. I could be wrong but I don’t *think* attraction was the issue with these two – I just don’t know how to get a girl with this kind of profile to open up and get comfortable enough with me to let her desires out. Does that make sense?

I also recently dated a third 19 year old, but she was a very different personality. Much more experienced (and hotter in terms of putting in some effort – the first two had no idea how to dress up for a guy or use makeup etc – they literally came from the campus library wearing jeans and t-shirts) and not college educated..had already been married and divorced at age 19 etc. Anyway, with the third girl, even though I ran exactly the same game, same stories, same kino, it was really easy to get into a heavy makeout session and connect with her horniness and I even got her home but couldn’t get the lay due to some logistical issues.

All 3 girls were 7s. The third girl (with makeup etc) maybe touched 8, and the first girl (if she’d made an effort) could have been an 8.

Any thoughts/advice? If I continue with the 18-21 year old market I am going to run into this more often..


  • YaReally
    on February 16, 2015 at 2:47 am
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    @Culum
    More Comfort. Try mentioning your ex was 19 so she knows you’re experienced with the age gap and it’s not the blind leading the blind. Odds are she probably hasn’t been with an older man before.

    Also pay attention to whether you need to lower your value or raise theirs so they feel they deserve you.

    To lower your value: Lots of self-depreciation humor about being an old man and not understanding Twitter and her Justin Beiber shit etc. and joke about grey hair etc. Like disqualifying yourself so that you don’t seem bigger than life to her and she can see you’re just a normal dude.

    To raise her value: Qualify her and let her pass those qualifications, standard procedure. When you talk about a younger ex drop in that older women are boring and jaded and cynical etc. so she feels like she’s got the value to earn an older man.

    And nullify the age thing by leading the frame that it’s irrelevant: I have routines about how my first GF was older than me and how I find people have two ages: their physical age and their mental age and sometimes people have chemistry and connect mentally on a level that people wouldn’t expect going by their physical age. Like you seem like a girl who’s been through a lot (they all have), you seem older than you are (they all want to think that), I’m impressed because not a lot of girls can keep up with my bla bla (qualifying her, raising her value)…and maybe you’re younger than me, but I’m VERY immature ;) (self-depreciation and lolz to brush the convo out of serious territory into no big deal territory) So tell me about your (change subjects).

    If the girl doesn’t bring age up, then she’s probably been with an older man before and I don’t bring it up either. The last 21yo I banged I’m not even sure she knew exactly how old I was, it never came up lol But if she brings it up then she probably hasn’t been with one before and you have to calibrate like I’m describing.

    “they literally came from the campus library wearing jeans and t-shirts”

    lol ya I hate that shit. I always make my Day2’s in the evening so they have time to shower and get done up, and I do a lot of qualifying about girls dressing up for me etc. in advance so they know I’ll be judging them. The hotter ones of course still come in jeans and t-shirts to shit-test whether I’ll still try to bang them or not lol I’m good in bed so I just bang them and then scold them during the post-orgasm glow telling them I almost walked out as soon as I saw them dressed like shit but our chemistry bla bla and then tease that I’m going to delete her number as soon as she leaves etc. and that fixes it, next time she shows up done up to wow me.

    Good luck


  • Sentient
    on February 16, 2015 at 9:30 am
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    The mod is strong today…


    • YaReally
      on February 17, 2015 at 3:05 pm
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      @Culum
      “I’ve been out with a few of these younger girls recently and it has really been striking me just how much more I’ve done with my life and where I’ve been and what I’ve experienced – it’s just leagues ahead of these girls’ life experiences, even if they are hot.”

      lol if anything the hotter they are the LESS life experience they probably have. There are girls in high-end scenes like LA/Vegas who literally don’t even have jobs. They just have orbiters who buy them stuff and pay their rent and everything and spend their day putting pics up on Facebook/Instagram. Like that’s their day lol

      They’re not reading self-help and searching for a purpose and honing a craft and shit like guys are. Because society doesn’t expect them to. You will never see a smokin hot 9/10 homeless girl living on the streets. It doesn’t happen. There will ALWAYS be a guy or multiple guys, or even women, to take care of her and be a safety net for her no matter how useless to society she is lol

      …till she hits the Wall. Then it gets messy lol It’s not her fault, a lot of guys who become celebrities run into this too. Society stops expecting anything from them and they lose their purpose. Brad Pitt said when he was married to Jennifer Anniston he just layed on the couch smoking pot all day and eventually became disgusted with himself.

      Of COURSE these young chicks love us older men, we’ve DONE shit with our lives compared to them and especially compared to their male peers. We are fuckin’ fascinating lol

      “I am not sure how you would sexualize when you meet (and avoid a friendly vibe) if you are suggesting not kissing at ALL and not kinoing at all. Only verbally?”

      kant covered this, but hit my archives and search for “liam” and “gambler” and “robbie williams” for two videos on how to spike sexual tension without kissing or blatant/any kino.

      Also keep in mind that sexual TENSION needs to be resolved, so there’s incentive for her to come to your place to resolve it. Which time are you more likely to take an ugly chick up on her offer to bang: when you’ve just finished blowing a load, or when you’ve spent 2 hours at a strip club with girls grinding your lap and not finishing you leaving you with an insane case of blue balls?

      You can make coming home with you a lot more appealing by using laser eyes (like the vids I said to search for) and slowly cutting the space and getting soooooo close to her without quite touching lips and then veering off to the side and growling a deep “mmm, you smell good tonight…but I have to go to the bathroom, don’t roofie my drink” as you pass by her to go to take a piss leaving her hanging, than just making out.

      “is that they were nervous and inexperienced, not that the escalation needed to be harder.”

      I agree with this read. Drunken frat boys aren’t cavemanning girls every weekend anymore, they are all homos now. The education system is literally just a feminist brainwashing asylum now.

      @Culum
      “just that they don’t have much experience and hence are nervous especially with an older guy in a suit in a fancy cocktail bar”

      …u wot m8?

      lol there’s half your problem. Can’t remember how old you are but if you’re 40+ then ok this is cool, just expect to have to get them comfortable like we’re discussing. If you’re under 40, hit a pub and throw on casual clothes instead and you won’t have to deal with this problem as much.

      @kant
      “Some advanced guys swear by sex talk and heavy kino but I think they do that to just amuse themselves and see how far they can push it–it doesn’t really help them get the lay.”

      I do sex talk but I have a lot of nuances with how I do it. I do a lot of third-party sex talk, like I’ll tell stories about girls or of friends etc. where we’re talking ABOUT sex but it’s not “I want to fuck you on this table” it’s “ya my ex loved public sex, we got thrown out of a bar for getting it on on a table lol”

      “in my experience 7+ American college girls almost all party.”

      I’d submit that them partying doesn’t necessarily mean the guys they’re partying with are all Stifler from American Pie. 10 or 20 years ago, sure, but in 2015?:

      I’m sure at top party frats there’s a lot of crazy shit, but the majority of frats are likely just chodey young guys who can’t tell their balls from their ass yet getting wasted and sloppily trying to badger girls into sex or dates.

      Hit up the youngest nightclub around you and check out the male competition there. There’ll be like 2 or 3 alpha Stifler types and the rest are just a bunch of chodes even if they’re good-looking chodes lol At their own frat I’m sure they have more situational confidence compared to being out in the “wild” of an actual nightclub, but I’d say these days half these guys are txting girls begging to be their boyfriend after one bang while they listen to gay hipster music and talk about the “sensitivity toward women’s issues” lecture they had to attend lol

      Watching Keys to the VIP on YouTube is great for breaking down a lot of limiting beliefs about how good the frat guy jocks really are in-field, every guy doing pickup should watch every ep of this show:

      I’m not saying that none of these guys has game, there are lots of great examples of these dudes with sick game on Keys and guys getting lucky breaks and shit, but overall it’s eye-opening for a new guy to see dudes they would just assume get laid fucking up over and over, missing windows, fucking up logistics, switching to needy behavior and outcome dependence, begging for numbers, blowing tons of $ bribing the girls, getting super weak #-closes, etc. People give young energetic frat guys way too much credit lol

      I’m hitting the youngest nightclub in my city this week with a PUA buddy lol We both have almost 15 years (each) on the crowd in there, it’s going to be fucking hilarious. Been cooped up working lately so I’m expecting to be self-conscious as fuck, approach anxiety thru the roof, and get blown out all night cold-approaching. Can’t wait lol

      “You’re definitely making it harder on yourself with the suit and the fancy cocktail bar, these girls are going to feel very nervous and out of their element. It’s fine if that’s what you want to do but just know you’re playing with a handicap, like yareally said you have to make her comfortable with that situation.”

      Yup agreed. Again if he’s a super old dude then it can be congruent to the older man thing so it’s cool, but he should then just be aware that he’s going to have to get them comfortable and watch out for being too high value for them to think they deserve him.



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on February 15, 2015 at 4:41 pm
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The italicized comment at the beginning is mine. This is a kind of sticking point which I don’t quite understand and have come to believe that many women are emotionally unstable and nothing or no one can keep them.

Two examples: 23 year old I gamed, banged, went out with. I thought it was all going well: 1-2 brief texts a week. We’d see each other maybe every two weeks, we’d bang and hang out. Suddenly out of the blue she freaks out, breaks up. She’s since tried to re-connect but I’ve ignored her. One clue was her constant messaging about being “depressed” on “anti-depressants”, “Seeing a shrink”….guess it’s no real surprise. I see her occasionally now but she’s made no effort to seriously re-open me other than the IOI’s at a party.

The second is the 27 year old. I met online, also quite hot. She is quiet, had an ethereal beauty: pale, waif-like, quiet, super-intelligent she had an interesting tattoo. She had a variety of fantasies many of which I fulfilled…the bi-fantasies she said were something she always wanted to try. We went from super-hot to suddenly her wanting more “comfort” but offering nothing in return beyond showing up to bang. NO Christmas gift, no farewell gift when I went on holiday, never cooked, would leave her cereal bowl on the table after we had breakfast leading me to point with amused mastery: “Sweety, this isn’t a bed and breakfast”….she flaked on me the day we made plans to meet after my holiday. Then she got upset when I told her I had other plans on Valentine’s Day.

The other one I’m banging is my “Friend”….she shows up in lingiere, buys me gifts, texts and calls regularly is my muse…

It’s like girls claim guys are just out to fuck them…but they self-sabotage and the relationship then becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy where no matter what they do….I’m still the bad guy.

This is just an observation. It means that what girls say really means nothing. What matters is what they do—if they’re banging me it’s because they want to bang. IF they run off, the “comfort” is really all in their heads. They project their insecurities which are already firmly programmed and nothing I can do can undo them…Game has helped ME make sense of it all as much as it’s been the key to banging them.


  • Lucky White Male
    on February 15, 2015 at 6:09 pm
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    “It’s like girls claim guys are just out to fuck them…but they self-sabotage”

    Krauser wrote something interesting. He said one of the few things he has not yet been able to figure out in 5 years or so of Game is this phenomenon of girls who wilfully “throw a spanner into the works” to sabotage an otherwise practically perfect pick-up on the way to sex.

    He will be presenting all the right signals to her of high SMV, etc, etc, but the girl for some reason, will willfully derail the train

    no logic


    • YaReally
      on February 17, 2015 at 2:10 pm
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      @Lucky White Male
      @Culum Struan

      “no logic”

      Nah, it’s logical. It’s not just “guy logic”. Everything girls do makes sense, but as guys we have a hard time understanding the end result and writing it off as “no logic” because it’s nothing we would do as guys lol

      From my archives:

      ““and two times right after averting her head she grabbed my waist closer. Not sure what was going on here. I just remained unreactive and acted like nothing happened/it was no big deal”

      You handled it perfectly. When a girl’s “Buying Temperature” spikes too high too fast she tries to throw herself out of it because instinctively she knows she’ll end up fucking you. That’s why a guy who escalates fast but competantly gets shit-tested. “We shouldn’t be doing this…” “I can’t come home with you, I have work in the morning…” are half-assed ones, but more extreme ones are girlfriends pulling eachother away from a guy (“we have to go to the bathroom!!”, they sense that their GF’s spiking too fast and they need to get her away to cool down) or girls insulting you (“that’s a gay shirt” or “I don’t date short guys”) etc. It’s her going “shit, I’m so turned on, quick, how can I make him unattractive…oooh I called him short and he got pissed off! That’s so lame, whew, now I’m not attracted!”

      It’s why when you pass a shit-test (like you did, by being unreactive), attraction spikes. It’s like she goes to hit the brakes on her car as it rolls down a hill and realizes the brakes don’t work. Huge emotional spikes.

      Her grabbing your waist closer was her sub-communicating “I won’t kiss you, but I don’t want you to leave/give up yet, but I can’t verbalize that or I’ll feel like a slut…”

      “I looked at her with a straight face, saying nothing.”

      lol perfect. You don’t always need a witty line/comeback.

      “I smirked and replied: You know I take life as it comes. Curious about the best play here.”

      That was the best play. She tried to get you into a logical conversation (cools down her Buying Temperature like explained above). This is why part of AMOG’ing another guy who’s talking to a girl involves just asking him a series of logical boring questions, if he falls into answering them the girl gets bored and cools off).”

      Here’s a fan-fucking-tastic in-field video from the oldschool days where you can see this dynamic in action. Note how the girls Buying Temp is spiked so hard through the roof that they can’t even form sentences anymore (this is why the guy at the end is happy they caught that on film even though he didn’t get them):

      There is no “LOGICAL” reason for them to start to turn away and the blonde to pull the brunette away as she looks back over her shoulder at him. Like according to male logic if they’re having that much fun why would they leave???

      But view it through what I talk about up there about how they try to jam the brakes to avoid fucking the guy but they realize they’re on a hill and the brakes are out and it makes perfect sense.

      But, as you can see, it’s not always a GOOD thing to spike shit so fast. If their circuits fry you get the monkey wrench. Logically those girls should have stayed, but they run off.

      Here’s a BEAUTIFUL breakdown of all the little dynamics that happened in this set, this is why oldschool game was so powerful…opinion openers and powerpuff girls sound retarded when as a man you read them, but they were chick crack and played on the right dynamics and, like you can see in this vid the AMOGs became INVISIBLE to the girls and were like “wtf just happened?!?”:

      lolz from that vid’s comment section: “Dude what the fuck is this shit. I feel like an alien. How did any of that stupid shit you said even make them laugh. Girls are fucking retarded and I can’t put myself down to that kind of level of thinking. If you disrespected me like that, forget the girls, I’d beat your fucking ass. I respect other men as equals, and respect boundaries, because if a male did what you did to me… I’d kill that mother fucker.” – which one of the eBadasses around here that always jumps in on AMOG discussions to remind me how he would totally kick a guy’s ass for AMOG’ing him wrote this comment? lol

      @Culum
      “But his whole Game metaphor is about how this is all a battle that you fight and daygame is a hard slog and you fight through all of it for the prize at the end..and somehow that just doesn’t appeal to me. Once you start getting some results, you start to ENJOY the process, enjoy the learning and the getting better and I just don’t like his metaphor.”

      Agreed. It should be fun. I haven’t read Krauser, but that “this is a battle you slog through” attitude leads to frustration from getting cockblocked etc. instead of lol’ing at it and it just creates a lot of negative shit in guys’ heads. It’s not a good attitude to foster.

      Pickup is supposed to be a blast. You should be able to go purposely get blown out all night and laugh it off instead of going home frustrated. Sure it’s not fair that women have so much abundance and don’t care if they get laid or not, suck it up buttercup life ain’t fair lol It’s not fair that you don’t have to spend $200 on your hair, makeup, sexy outfit, are socially restricted from approaching men, and then no one attractive gets up the balls to approach you and you go home having wasted all that money.

      One of my favs on the topic:


    • YaReally
      on February 18, 2015 at 12:07 am
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      @Culum
      I don’t know enough about Krauser to make a judgement or verify any of that, but the attitude you’re describing is one that I’ve seen before and that I don’t support at all. The whole reason I help guys out for free is because I was a hardcase nerd that other guys selflessly helped out back when the community was all free information exchange with guys teaching bootcamps in coffee shops in exchange for a couch to sleep on etc.

      I’ll probably check out his daygame book down the road when it’s not a million dollars, I’ve heard all good things about it lol

      @Lucky White Male
      “to do that – they have had to spike BT through the roof, and fried her circuits, but the girl doesn’t seem to care”

      No, the 7hrs isn’t required to just get laid.

      Don’t sperg it, driving a car isn’t “you either floor the gas pedal or don’t touch it!!!” There’s an art to it.

      Think of it like a videogame, you tap the button and fill the guage a bit more every time you tap it and you want to keep it near the top without over-filling it. If you go over the max, you lose, but if you let it drop too low for too long you lose. So you have to spike that BT up TO the roof without going through it, till you get to the lay.

      It’s perfectly logical lol



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on February 12, 2015 at 4:31 pm
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So that’s why my ears were ringing.

3 notes:

1) note that none of this shit has to do with what car you drive, what your job is, etc. You can be a complete bum but if you can get 10 min with a smokin hottie to run this kind of thing on her and hook her, you can have that girl chasing you. Having money etc. can get you more access to hot girls, like being able to get into exclusive parties and such, but being able to build solid rapport/comfort with people quickly can get you into those same parties for free. Being good looking can help you get more of a window to speak to the girls (VS looking homeless and not getting a chance to speak), but you ca intrigue a girl enough to give you that same window through other PUA concepts like social proof and using pivots etc.

This stuff is basically “Give me 10 minutes to talk away my ugly face and I will bed the queen of France” in action.

Girls want to feel emotionally engaged, both the highs and the lows. If they just wanted looks every girl would have stacks of Playgirl mags, if they just wanted money they would rub a wad of bills over their vag…but they read 50 Shades and Twilight and watch soap operas and shit where they’re emotionally engaged and invested and get addicted to feeling feels lol You can provide that just with your words. It’s why The Cube and Strawberry Fields were used so much in the early PUA days…that shit was chick CRACK

2) a lot of AFCs make the mistake of trying for Comfort before they have Rapport or Attraction. They meet a girl and try to skip Attraction/Rapport and jump right to “so uhh what school do you go to? cool cool that’s a good school, what are you studying? cool I’m studying this other thing. cool, so uhh, do you wanna go out sometime?” You start with Attraction, then transition into Rapport which transitions naturally into Comfort, then into Seduction. Sometimes you can blast through these stages quickly, like you get Attraction off your looks or a sweet opener that hits perfectly…but you generally have to go through the MM order of things.

3) on the flip side a lot of caveman style PUA tries to skip the Comfort stage and just go from Attraction to Rapport and skip into Seduction and just spam shotgun blast approach with that. Better success rate for getting laid than what the AFC I described in point 2 does, but the full out seduction process is better than both of them. It’s just harder to learn and teach because there’s so many different aspects to it, but if you can nail them you can do some pretty awesome shit.

If you’re “studying pickup” and you didn’t write a few of those questions from the OP article down in your phone (grab a couple from each section so you get the full light rapport to heavy deep comfort progression) to actively try applying them in-field with girls this weekend (esp with Valentine’s Day and all)…what are you even doing here?? lol Go try this shit out.


  • YaReally
    on February 12, 2015 at 4:54 pm
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    Also 4) this stuff isn’t necessary to get your dick wet. Like you can run pretty minimal Comfort/Rapport to get the lay and get that girl to come back for more etc. This is about the art form and creating a crazy deep experience for the girl.

    The Pleasure of Sex type guys who are more focused on just getting laid will probably find this stuff a waste of time and for them it IS, but the Thrill of the Hunt guys who enjoy the full seduction process will find it more relevant/interesting.

    It can be pretty eye-opening the first time you have a girl “in love” with you where she feels like you know her soul and are like no other guy she’s ever met before etc. after just a bit of chatting. Great for getting the innocent good girl types to open up and fuck you quickly as well, and for quickly progressing things to a girlfriend LTR type situation if that’s your thing.


  • King A
    on February 12, 2015 at 6:43 pm
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    Is there anything here you haven’t said three or five years ago? It’s a serious question.

    What’s the next step? Your harem of cyberworshipers is full. Do you have the capacity to lead them anywhere, or are you Mr. Chips, content with teaching the next crop of grade-schoolers every year?

    /stands on desk

    “O Captain, my Captain!”

    Teaching kids is a noble and necessary job, but it is stagnating your development. And the rote repetition better suits a woman’s mind.

    I am genuinely interested. Like I used to tell the host here, he has the talent and the self-possession and the perspective to take his social revolution out of the ghetto. Just the same: you have too much going for you to continuously shoot your wisdom-load on the bathroom wall of another man’s blog.

    Your path seems obvious to me. I said elsewhere that you are the Ann Landers of the manosphere. Why not take the blog that someone set up for you and answer readers’ questions? Get an e-mail address, post when the spirit moves you. It must be frustrating to be locked up in moderation and confusing for the fan club to follow your pearls across random comment sections. Feature what you want to feature. Ban cranky antisocial virgins like me. Elevate top commenters to attention.

    I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, / dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix, / angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night….

    Matt


    • YaReally
      on February 13, 2015 at 2:52 am
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      @King A
      “Is there anything here you haven’t said three or five years ago? It’s a serious question.”

      brb, I have to go condescendingly ask universities if they’re still telling students that 2 + 2 = 4…god, that’s SO three years ago guys!!

      “What’s the next step?”

      There is none.

      “Your harem of cyberworshipers is full.”

      Irrelevant. I would be posting even if no one responded to me. You focus on “cyberworshipers” because your value system is based around “how many people like me”, like a high-school girl. That’s why you write your long-ass Bible screeds hoping to recruit a few more Gregs to suck your dick.

      I annoy you because you’ve been here longer than I have, writing walls of text like I do, but after all that time nobody is “cyberworshiping” you except Greg who I’m sure will be along to call me a fairy any minute now.

      I’m just here to post information and help other men, the way that other PUAs posted their shit and helped me. Paying it forward because it made a significant difference in my quality of life and I hope other men can get as much value out of it as I did.

      “Do you have the capacity to lead them anywhere”

      The only place I want to lead them is closer to their goals. Ideally my writing helps give them the tools to lead themselves to wherever they want to go.

      “content with teaching the next crop of grade-schoolers every year?”

      It’s pretty rewarding to see someone learn and grow, you should try helping other men out sometime.

      “but it is stagnating your development”

      My dick thanks you for your faux concern but it’s doing just fine lol

      “And the rote repetition better suits a woman’s mind.”

      Tell us again about the Bible and how we’re all inferior to you, King A. Hey Greg, what’s your opinion on buns in ovens?

      “you have too much going for you to continuously shoot your wisdom-load on the bathroom wall of another man’s blog.”

      I don’t have an interest in doing this full-time, I have other shit to do…this is just a hobby because I enjoy deconstructing and explaining social dynamics. I don’t want to build my success in life off pickup, I have other ambitions outside of this that are completely unrelated to poon.

      “Why not take the blog that someone set up for you and answer readers’ questions?”

      I write about what I feel like writing about when I have time to. That’s why I don’t respond to people sometimes (that and often I know they’ll figure the solution out themselves when they think it over or experiment more). It’s no fun when it’s an obligation. I’ll just end up with 2000 sob-stories about “man so there’s this one girl and she’s soooo special and I’m gonna kill myself if I can’t get her and only you can help tell me how to get her and and–” drama.

      “Get an e-mail address”

      No need for E-Mail. Everyone’s problems are universal, no one needs specialized private help from me. For every guy who has some huge issue or sticking point or handicap or question, there are dozens of other guys have been in the same spot and will benefit from reading the help I give to that first guy.

      “post when the spirit moves you.”

      I currently do.

      “It must be frustrating to be locked up in moderation”

      That part sucks dick lol but not enough for me to care about running a blog myself and everyone else gets stuck in mod too anyway.

      “and confusing for the fan club to follow your pearls across random comment sections.”

      That’s alright. The ones who will actually benefit from what I write are the ones who will actively hunt it down and invest effort into seeking it out. Those are the guys who are going to go out and apply it. Plus I mainly only comment in two places and Lumpy is a wizard so my archive auto-cull it all into one place lol

      “Feature what you want to feature.”

      I like CH and Rollo’s game related topics. I don’t have any interest in sitting down brainstorming topics to write about.

      “Ban cranky antisocial virgins like me.”

      You’re free to make as much of a fool of yourself as you like. Posts like this just make me look better to people reading my stuff because I just bat away the petty shit you throw at me lol I have no interest in creating a hugbox, anyone can disagree with me, but if what they’re saying contradicts what those of us who’ve gone out a shitload have consistently found, then they better have a shitload of field experience from more than just themselves to back it up so we can dig down and look for consistent principles. And if anyone wants to ask questions because something doesn’t make sense to them, I’m happy to explain.

      “Elevate top commenters to attention.”

      Too much work, I have other shit to do. CH and Rollo will bring to attention stuff that’s worth bringing to people’s attention, as demonstrated by this OP.

      “Part of retaining the credibility to teach is the ambition (or need) to grow out of one’s present circumstances.”

      Oh I’m still growing. I discuss way deeper shit with my PUA buddies in real life. Around here most guys just need some beginner/intermediate help because they haven’t invested the time/study that I have is all. Some of the nuances in interactions that I could write about would simply have no relevance to a guy until he gets to a certain stage where he has the reference experiences to relate to what I’m talking about. If they keep going out they’ll all come to the same understandings I have anyway.

      “And it is just mentally healthy to avoid repetition.”

      It helps remind myself of the basics and helps make me a better teacher to refine my explanations. It’s also good mental exercise to re-study a concept and think about how it applies to my own current reference experiences. The stuff I do outside of pickup challenges my brain as well. Discussing pickup for me is like grabbing a guitar and crooning out some tunes to relax after a long day is for other people.

      “How about if it’s employed in the attempt to convince aimless men to stop “dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix”?”

      As soon as you provide men with more value than me, they’ll be your “cyberworshipers” instead of mine and then you can pat yourself on the back that you finally “beat” big dumb ol’ YaReally in your high-school girl popularity contest.

      Half of your frustration is just that 1) no one seems to value the same things you think they should, but more importantly 2) you are inept as a leader of men at convincing them they SHOULD value what you think they should. That’s your own failing, but you’re welcome to keep taking it out on me…your posts make me look good.


    • YaReally
      on February 13, 2015 at 10:41 am
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      lol I wrote a response to my fan club of haters and it’s in mod right now but mentions Greg coming along to suck King A’s dick. I am lol’ing that his lips were already so close to it’s throbbing little tip that his response came before mine made it out of mod lol

      Tell us all again how being repetitive is feminine behavior King A.


  • Scray
    on February 13, 2015 at 11:51 am
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    The thing about Ya is that what Ya says simply gibes with real life. You can predict based on PUA sayings. Greg et al just say a bunch of shit that may or may not be true.

    Latest example: Ya (and PUA principles) correctly predicted that despite a good-looking dude in the lead and saucy source material, women would think that 50 Shades of Grey Movie wouldn’t be sexy.

    “Part of the difficulty is the lack of sexual chemistry between the two leads.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2949883/Sorry-ladies-Fifty-Shades-movie-spanking-great-bore-JAN-MOIR-sees-world-premiere-year-s-hyped-film-t-whip-enthusiasm.html#ixzz3ReVMLLjD

    “Perhaps worst of all, chemistry is nil between Jamie Dornan as billionaire Christian Grey and Dakota Johnson as curious college student Anastasia Steele.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2015/02/10/50-shades-of-grey-review/23154403/

    Go read the reviews for yourselves.


    • YaReally
      on February 16, 2015 at 2:30 am
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      lol

      “That’s just bad policy, or worse, indiscipline.”

      Matt’s scolding tone policing shit is like a little girl having a pretend tea party throwing a huff that people aren’t following her rules. “DADDY you have to lift your PINKY when you drink the pretend tea!!!! Now Mr. Bunny what do we say when someone fills our tea cup?”

      Although I’m enjoying his new victim strategy of “everything I’ve ever said for years has actively been picking fights with you, but I took a few months off and now I’m back pretending to give a shit about your best interests and you don’t seem to believe that I’ve had a change of heart and suddenly care, I’m such a victim everyone look at big bad ol YaReally being paranoid and mean!!”

      If people don’t trust you, it’s because you fucked your own reputation up long ago. Time to read The Boy Who Cried Wolf during storytime at your next tea party.



Anon2
on February 12, 2015 at 7:16 pm
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Questions :

1) If you are on a date, how best should one progress through the sequence of 36 questions without looking too rehearsed?

2) Do you really have to do all 36 in that order to get an effect? Or should one just memorize a few of the early ones, some middle ones, and a few late ones? Will that suffice?


  • mendozatorres
    on February 12, 2015 at 8:01 pm
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    Read YaReally’s post above, #3, second paragraph.

    If it helps: think of each set of questions as a progression, each one blends seamlessly into the next. You frame it the whole way. You’re conducting.


    • YaReally
      on February 13, 2015 at 12:38 pm
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      @Anon2
      Just memorize like 2 Qs from each stage. 36 is overkill lol The progression from light rapport to deep comfort is more important than the number of questions used to get there.

      And you work on naturally dropping them into the conversation. Like she asks what your job is so you can ask what she does and then seague into “Is there something that you’ve dreamed of doing for a long time? Why haven’t you done it?” and to her you’re just this fascinating guy asking deep-ass questions that other guys don’t ask (the “why haven’t you done it?” makes her qualify herself), but you just pulled that off the list.

      Don’t gotta’ use the whole crayon box in every drawing lol



kant
on February 13, 2015 at 9:26 am
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@yareally, etc

Broke it off yesterday with a long term FB (HB8, 23), for no reason other than I think it’s best for her. We’ve been fucking once a week for about a year now. She’s crazy about me but knows anything more than FB isn’t going to happen. She doesn’t push for anything more, but I could sense that it’s messing her up.

She’s told me about guys she starts dating who ask her to be exclusive as soon as they bang for the first time, ugh guys are such pussies. She turns them down even though she’s actively looking for a relationship. So I told her we should just be friends, she should go out and meet someone who’s going to give her the deeper relationship she’s looking for.

I feel like I’m reaching a new level of inner game. I don’t care about notches anymore, or keeping a harem. I don’t have approach anxiety, I don’t care about a girl’s sexual history or if she’s fucking anyone else at the moment. Every girl I meet seems attainable to me.

But now I’m just looking for a girl who has good energy and gives me good emotions, who’s exceptionally beautiful and intelligent and has high self esteem. I want something that feels like magic when we are together, including the sex. I also want to slow down on hooking up — I had 5 new notches last month and none of them felt particularly fulfilling. In a weird way it’s like I’m turning into a chick lol


  • YaReally
    on February 13, 2015 at 1:36 pm
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    @kant
    Sorry to hear it but good on you for breaking it off. With great power comes great responsibility.

    They will ALL fall for you at some point. The rules about how frequently to see them and how much to tell them about yourself etc. are about trying to delay that point as long as possible so you can enjoy eachother’s company.

    I liken it to a toilet paper roll…sooner or later that roll will run out. Something like these 36 questions is the equivalent of yanking on the end of that roll and watching it spin lol The rules are about trying to just tear off as few squares at a time as possible.

    You could ABSOLUTELY keep fucking her. No problem. But there’s a point where it starts doing damage to her and that’s where “leave her better than you found her” comes in. At first it’s all an amazing experience for her that betters her life, but there’s a point where you know while you might enjoy her company you don’t want anything super long-term with her and you can tell that she does, and you have to ask yourself “am I now just taking value instead of giving it and is that something I’m comfortable with in terms of how I want to conduct myself?”

    Some people don’t have a problem with it, but personally I would rather she go off and find a guy who can give her the relationship stuff she wants. I actively encourage them to, when I see this point on the horizon. If the girls in her early 20s it’s not as big a deal because she has plenty of time left…but a girl who’s 28+? I’m ready to pull that plug fast. And I try not to even get with girls that are 30+ because they need to find a dude before they smack into The Wall and their ovaries dry up lol I don’t think it’s cool to string a girl along through her last child-bearing years.

    Part of this comes from knowing myself and knowing exactly what I want and what my goals are etc. At this stage in my life an LTR will hold me back from achieving my career goals, so it’s out of the question. Because I know that, I’m up front about not being boyfriend material and I’m quick to cut them loose if they start getting attached. If I didn’t know what I wanted I would probably string girls along while I try to make up my mind. I think as a man you should know what you want in life and have clear-cut rules for yourself (decided by yourself, VS force-fed to you by society/feminists/religion/etc.).

    Personally I would rather be an amazing memory for the girl during a short-time fling than something she regrets from my letting it go on too long.

    When you have abundance you know you can get other girls. They’ll come and go. That’s why good bros are important, they’ll be around most of your life while the girls flow in and out of it.

    You can get to a point where because the girls come and go, you stop caring about them completely and they become just empty replaceable cogs to you. A lot of Natural players are like that.

    Personally I just try to find the good qualities of the girl and appreciate those, and appreciate the time we have together even though I know they’ll be gone sooner or later. Kind of like letting myself fall just a little bit in love with each of them. Like maybe I can tell already that this girl is definitely not mother-of-my-kids material or even “can stand going on dates with her” material lol but maybe she has some interesting view of the world, or has a hobby/passion/job that I can learn some interesting things about through her, or she loves to dress up in lingerie for me, or likes to fuck me public while another girl I’m seeing prefers the privacy of a bedroom and romantic music, or maybe she’s just inherently a good positive person even if I can’t see an LTR with her, or maybe she’s a gym bunny and that makes me want to get my own ass exercising, or maybe she’s a good cook and makes us breakfast after we bang and I get that little glimpse of an LTR life where my “wife” cooks breakfast for me.

    And I know they’ll be gone eventually, even if we LTR up if I don’t die before her then she’ll be gone at some point. But that doesn’t take away from how I view the time we have together…in a way I probably appreciate that girl MORE than a lot of people in LTRs appreciate their significant other, because I know our time is probably limited whereas they see their entire life together and can afford to take eachother for granted.

    And if she manages to move on with a quality dude I’m legitimately happy for her. There’s no jealousy etc. Ultimately because I care about my girls (because I screen for girls worth caring about), I want them to be happy. If they’re not looking for an LTR, then what I’m offering is enough to make them happy. If they start really craving an LTR, and I’m not offering that, then I let them go and hope that they DO find a guy who can offer them that LTR stuff they’re looking for because I want them to be happy.

    Plus the girl always knows she can come back to me if it doesn’t work out and we can hook up while she tries to find her next LTR attempt lol

    “She’s told me about guys she starts dating who ask her to be exclusive as soon as they bang for the first time, ugh guys are such pussies.”

    lol ya I hear tons of that too, esp in the <25yo crowd. Girls send me screencaps of their convos with their orbiters and it's just brutal. They're so frustrated at how lame guys are now. Guys are basically acting like girls, desperate to LTR them asap and in the clingiest neediest gayest way. Girls want to win the guy over. No one wants a prize that has no value. It's also a big part of why a lot of younger girls are openly looking for older men now, they assume that we won't be as gay and needy as their peers. Unfortunately a lot of guys my age ARE that gay lol

    "So I told her we should just be friends, she should go out and meet someone who’s going to give her the deeper relationship she’s looking for."

    On that specific note: she will very rarely go find that deeper relationship if she's into you and you two are still in touch at all. Her inner "watched all the romantic movies where the girl finally wins the guy" hamster will spin forever if it thinks there's a chance she can win you over…she'll wait YEARS if she has to.

    Often with the sweet nice girls, or the girls you didn't FULLY establish your unavailability to at the start (very common when a guy first starts getting FBs, he doesn't want to disqualify himself as a potential LTR because he worries the girl won't put out or will end things so he just dodges the conversations or lies to them, or SAYS he's cold and dead but then txts them when he's drunk at 1am on a Friday night when he should be with other girls or he comes over and lets her not fuck him and just cuddles, etc. where he's incongruent to that disqualification)

    Often with those ones, you have to go full radio silence and fully disqualify yourself so that they'll give up and let go and can move on. It hurts them in the moment, but they'll get over it and then they can really focus on finding a guy…otherwise they'll just compare all the guys they meet to you and, on top of that, because you aren't actually dating her she'll never come to see your faults the way she will with the guys she dates, so her imaginary vision of what an LTR with you would look like will always be better than the reality of what an LTR with other guys looks like (even tho an LTR with you would look the same way).

    With the girls you really hardcore disqualify yourself with, you can sometimes keep in touch because they can compartmentalize you as "just for sex" and ditch you when they meet a guy (I often help coach them for how to land a dude lol). Like they know there's no chance of an LTR with you because you told them you're dead inside or focusing on your career or whatever and everything you do seems congruent to that so they accept it, so they know they need to find an LTR guy.

    "But now I’m just looking for a girl who has good energy and gives me good emotions, who’s exceptionally beautiful and intelligent and has high self esteem. I want something that feels like magic when we are together, including the sex."

    When you've banged enough you'll find you have standards lol When I was an AFC I had no idea what I wanted out of life or in a girl. I was happy with anything. But now I've been around and I very quickly screen out girls who aren't my type. I'm in my 30s and focusing on my career stuff right now so if the girl isn't really truly bringing me value then I'm not interested in spending that time on her. Part of bringing value is her looks lol I could pull a 6 to bang pretty much any given night out, but a 6 isn't bringing me enough value to stay up late and be tired for work the next day etc. I'd rather go home and get a good night's sleep.

    When the girls you're banging lose meaning to you, it's often a sign that you need to start approaching hotter higher-quality girls. Part of why a lot of Naturals stop caring about women is they bang a LOT of average/ugly girls in-between the hot ones lol

    This is the kind of stuff that just sounds like feel-good "live in the moment" flowery fluff talk until you reach the point you're at where it has relevance lol



Picking Up Married Women

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via Heartiste

YaReally
on February 10, 2015 at 2:53 pm
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This is solid. More tips:

1) have her save your number under a girl’s name “so you don’t get in trouble lol” like it’s a silly game. This builds a conspiracy with you two VS her hubby which is good for bonding/rapport and it helps her ASD to see “Sarah” pop up on her phone screen instead of “THAT DUDE YOU’RE GOING TO CHEAT WITH YOU WHORE” lol

2) also while with single girls you want to txt in the evening where they aren’t distracted and are home alone and you can have their full attention, txt these married chicks during the day and build your rapport/flirting/innuendo/etc. when they or their husbands are at work and they can txt freely. Don’t txt them in the evenings or on weekends and for the love of god no drunk txting booty call attempts at 2am on a Friday night.

Once you’re fucking them they’ll txt you while they’re sitting beside their hubby on the couch (blows my mind), but until then you should try to fit into her life conveniently.

3) “come over and we’ll have lunch together” is a solid hamster excuse to get them over (just escalate at the door, don’t bother with lunch) if they don’t work too far away from you. I’ve found the most convenient times for them to bang are a) lunch, immediately after work on their drive home, and when their hubby is out with the boys. Those are the easiest times she can come fuck you without anyone noticing

4) don’t worry about how long she takes to reply, she has other shit going on she has to work around. Don’t get all gay and clingy expecting a response right away, she might take a week to respond to your first txt or stop responding suddenly and not respond for a few days etc.

5) understand that she WILL throw you under the bus if she gets caught. She will say you raped her etc. Unless her hubby is so beta that she’ll just tell him “you aren’t meeting my needs so I had to” and turn it around on him which is becoming more common these days because the only guys getting married are super-chode betas these girls can walk over.

6) your karma will be all SORTS of fucked lol welcome to the club.

More on the subject and on staying safe in my archives: http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/3/#comment-heartiste-320044


  • Lucky White Male
    on February 11, 2015 at 6:13 pm
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    Ya,

    Why is Game for Married Women kosher, but Game on a Married Sister In Law not

    You can fuck married women with kids but not a married sister in law with kids??

    If the instigator is not a troll, it seems he is simply higher on the psychopathy scale

    Your take


    • YaReally
      on February 12, 2015 at 4:41 pm
      Original Link

      Because if he’s not just trolling, the amount of gayness in his description of the situation and how super special this girl is to him says 1) he has zero other options so he’s acting out of scarcity, 2) he’s not experienced enough to navigate a situation that tricky with that many dynamics and that many risks/consequences involved, and 3) he’s like a 12 year old with a crush on the girl who sits beside him in class and uses the same type of pencil as him so OMG ITS TOTALLY MENT 2 BE U GUISE!!!11 <3 <3 <3

      He's not equipped to not fuck the situation up and the consequences will affect a bunch of different people. No one will come out of it with a positive experience, he'll just fuck everyone's lives up and be damn lucky if he escapes without being divorce raped.

      When I do my thing I follow a shit-load of rules to avoid doing damage. I have the abundance to pull the chute and bail, the experience to navigate the tricky dynamics, and the detachment to think logically instead of emotionally to keep avoiding damage and/or to wrap the affair up with a nice little bow on it when I'm done rather than leaving ruins and rubble behind me.



YaReally
on February 11, 2015 at 12:03 am
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Wrote a bunch of stuff on Boyfriend Destroyers and AMOG’ing boyfriends/husbands over at Rollo’s blog that have relevance to this topic, search my name in this like 6 page thread lol:

http://therationalmale.com/2015/02/02/the-art-of-amog/

Use the OP’s move to grab the number and Boyfriend Destroyers to take care of her ASD and you have a pretty powerful combination that even *I* wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of if I was in a long-term marriage/relationship.

@Lumpy
Is it possible to set up my archive to auto-cull my posts from Rollo’s blog too (the latest two articles I’ve commented in are “The Art of AMOG” and “Two Camps” both from last week)? I’d swear it used to do that but I don’t see any of them in the Latest section. I don’t write there as much these days but I get into long discussions and drop some walls of text there when I do, that might be useful to guys reading my archive.

@instigator
I just skimmed your high-school romance novel. None of those are iois for you, you’re like a kid saying “omg we both use the same color pen it’s MEANT TO BE!!!” You are retarded and will fuck everyone’s life up, don’t shit where you eat. Stop all of this shit and go watch Dawson’s Creek instead to get your soap opera drama fix.

You’re not going to listen to me though, because of the retarded part I mentioned. So bookmark this link: http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ You’ll need it when you fuck your life up.


  • Lumpy
    on February 12, 2015 at 6:27 am
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    @YaReally

    Yah, on it. Fucking HTML keeps changing formats. -_-

    Thank you for the heads up. Reports of when things aren’t working makes my life much easier!


    • YaReally
      on February 12, 2015 at 4:42 pm
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      @Lumpy
      Thanks! Glad to know I wasn’t going crazy lol



Two Camps

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YaReally
on February 6th, 2015 at 7:48 pm
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“Game is inherently feminine, an admission that women have won. Game involving talking and “communication” – does that sound masculine?”

Nick nails this one with: “Talking is only a surface level behavior, what attracts the woman is subcommunication and physical leading, not lines or routines. Naturals apply the same principles as PUAs, though subconsciously”

It’s not the words I’m saying, it’s what those words subcommunicate to her about who I am. We start guys out with fancy wordy routines because it’s the easiest way to teach/learn but over time (WITH FIELD EXPERIENCE lol) the guy learns what his words are subcommunicating and starts to strip them down and apply those subcomms to words that shouldn’t normally have those meanings.

So when you’re good you can pick girls up without saying a word or saying minimal words because your body language, eye contact, tonality, the way you touch her, etc all subcommunicates “I’m a guy who’s used to fucking beautiful women” and you no longer need to tell that elaborate story about dating a stripper. Or you can actively say and do things that SHOULD be unattractive but become attractive because you’ve added attractive subcomms to them.

Guys take a looooong time to understand the idea of subcomms let alone to master them. But the Natural is giving off those subcomms just because he has more field experience with women than the AFC because he was dating in high school while the AFC wasn’t.

But like, they’re not separate things. PUAs aren’t getting laid in a different way than an alpha Natural “man”. The subcomms are the same because those subcomms are what create attraction even if it’s temporary. Without them, there is no attraction and no lay.

That’s why you can’t escape game. Anyone who has ever fucked a girl consciously or subconsciously or by sheer fluke alignment of the stars executed the attractive subcomms we explain and train guys to execute. (except prostitution of course lol)

The game is ALWAYS happening everywhere all around you and everyone is by default forced to play it. So you can either learn to get GOOD at it or stay average/mediocre/bad at it. But make no mistake: whether you want to or not you are playing the game.

(I talked about this a bit more in depth over at CH recently, check my latest archives if you want to read up on it)


Two Camps

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via Rational Male

YaReally
on February 6th, 2015 at 7:48 pm
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“Game is inherently feminine, an admission that women have won. Game involving talking and “communication” – does that sound masculine?”

Nick nails this one with: “Talking is only a surface level behavior, what attracts the woman is subcommunication and physical leading, not lines or routines. Naturals apply the same principles as PUAs, though subconsciously”

It’s not the words I’m saying, it’s what those words subcommunicate to her about who I am. We start guys out with fancy wordy routines because it’s the easiest way to teach/learn but over time (WITH FIELD EXPERIENCE lol) the guy learns what his words are subcommunicating and starts to strip them down and apply those subcomms to words that shouldn’t normally have those meanings.

So when you’re good you can pick girls up without saying a word or saying minimal words because your body language, eye contact, tonality, the way you touch her, etc all subcommunicates “I’m a guy who’s used to fucking beautiful women” and you no longer need to tell that elaborate story about dating a stripper. Or you can actively say and do things that SHOULD be unattractive but become attractive because you’ve added attractive subcomms to them.

Guys take a looooong time to understand the idea of subcomms let alone to master them. But the Natural is giving off those subcomms just because he has more field experience with women than the AFC because he was dating in high school while the AFC wasn’t.

But like, they’re not separate things. PUAs aren’t getting laid in a different way than an alpha Natural “man”. The subcomms are the same because those subcomms are what create attraction even if it’s temporary. Without them, there is no attraction and no lay.

That’s why you can’t escape game. Anyone who has ever fucked a girl consciously or subconsciously or by sheer fluke alignment of the stars executed the attractive subcomms we explain and train guys to execute. (except prostitution of course lol)

The game is ALWAYS happening everywhere all around you and everyone is by default forced to play it. So you can either learn to get GOOD at it or stay average/mediocre/bad at it. But make no mistake: whether you want to or not you are playing the game.

(I talked about this a bit more in depth over at CH recently, check my latest archives if you want to read up on it)


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“Men are still conditioned using the old set of books, or are taught to loath their gender and be more feminine identifying. Beta sensitivity, supplication and deference are common and cheap in men. This then emphasizes (perhaps overly) men who are more Alpha.”

Yup. And it’s getting worse. I am a vagina compared to oldschool rock solid dudes who were raised in a culture that respected alpha males like the 40s-50s and who went thru war and shit. They look at even the most alpha dude in my generation and think “what a pussy” I’m sure lol but what I am to them, the <25yo boys I see at the bar are to me. They are such huge vaginas that they make me look even MORE alpha.

A big part of why I'm not planning to settle till I'm in my 40s at the earliest is that I'm looking at the long-con cause I see first-hand what the <25yo scene is like. When I was 25 I just assumed things would stay the same and at 40 I would have to compete with the same alphas I had to compete with at 25. Like I figured "oh those 22yo girls will want their alpha college peers". But what I've noticed is that feminism has turned the faucet handle of "alpha" dudes to a slow drip and will eventually turn it off entirely. So at 40 I won't HAVE competition for the <25yo girls. They will be surrounded by complete manginas who don't trigger any attraction and make me seem even MORE alpha dominant sexual authoritative etc. the <25yo girls are going to be pouring puddles when they meet me because they've never experienced "alpha" before (no fathers, no male teachers, etc).

So for me to settle now in my early 30s with a girl who's 25, I'll be 40 with a boner but having to stick it in a 35yo and it's downhill from there. Long as I take care of my body I expect to be able to have sex through my 40s (Viagra if needed) so then I'm late 40s with a girl who's 40.

Why not enjoy my 30s playing the field banging girls in their 20s, take care of my body, build my career and finances and overall solidify my frame as a man, then cash out at 40 with my favorite 23yo in my harem who's desperately looking for an alpha male to settle with because her peers are all mangina hipsters and she doesn't want to end up a crazy lonely old car lady like her feminist aunt?

Pop a kid out at 45 and live a healthy lifestyle and I can toss it a football when I'm 60 no problem. Lots of older dudes are in good shape these days now that exercise and rejecting fast food for nutrition has gotten more popular.

I fully expect to get laid more in my 30s than I did in my 20s lol there'll be a point when I'm 40 where just chatting a bartender will make <25yo girls open me trying to impress me because they're so starved to be around a man instead of the good little feminist puppets they've been surrounded by thru high school and college.


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“Men are still conditioned using the old set of books, or are taught to loath their gender and be more feminine identifying. Beta sensitivity, supplication and deference are common and cheap in men. This then emphasizes (perhaps overly) men who are more Alpha.”

Yup. And it’s getting worse. I am a vagina compared to oldschool rock solid dudes who were raised in a culture that respected alpha males like the 40s-50s and who went thru war and shit. They look at even the most alpha dude in my generation and think “what a pussy” I’m sure lol but what I am to them, the <25yo boys I see at the bar are to me. They are such huge vaginas that they make me look even MORE alpha.

A big part of why I'm not planning to settle till I'm in my 40s at the earliest is that I'm looking at the long-con cause I see first-hand what the <25yo scene is like. When I was 25 I just assumed things would stay the same and at 40 I would have to compete with the same alphas I had to compete with at 25. Like I figured "oh those 22yo girls will want their alpha college peers". But what I've noticed is that feminism has turned the faucet handle of "alpha" dudes to a slow drip and will eventually turn it off entirely. So at 40 I won't HAVE competition for the <25yo girls. They will be surrounded by complete manginas who don't trigger any attraction and make me seem even MORE alpha dominant sexual authoritative etc. the <25yo girls are going to be pouring puddles when they meet me because they've never experienced "alpha" before (no fathers, no male teachers, etc).

So for me to settle now in my early 30s with a girl who's 25, I'll be 40 with a boner but having to stick it in a 35yo and it's downhill from there. Long as I take care of my body I expect to be able to have sex through my 40s (Viagra if needed) so then I'm late 40s with a girl who's 40.

Why not enjoy my 30s playing the field banging girls in their 20s, take care of my body, build my career and finances and overall solidify my frame as a man, then cash out at 40 with my favorite 23yo in my harem who's desperately looking for an alpha male to settle with because her peers are all mangina hipsters and she doesn't want to end up a crazy lonely old car lady like her feminist aunt?

Pop a kid out at 45 and live a healthy lifestyle and I can toss it a football when I'm 60 no problem. Lots of older dudes are in good shape these days now that exercise and rejecting fast food for nutrition has gotten more popular.

I fully expect to get laid more in my 30s than I did in my 20s lol there'll be a point when I'm 40 where just chatting a bartender will make <25yo girls open me trying to impress me because they're so starved to be around a man instead of the good little feminist puppets they've been surrounded by thru high school and college.


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“But you should know, marriages of more than 8 year age difference are statistically rare ”

Lol my whole LIFE has been “statistically rare”.

Remember I’m talking 10-15 years from now. 10-15 years ago in like 1999 we couldn’t conceive of girls running sexually rampant, naked selfies left and right, tinder ONS shopping, hookup culture all over the place.

Society changes and I’m just calling out the trend I’m noticing. 10-15 years is:

– enough time for me to get my career on track and my finances handled

– enough time for these 40yo feminists to be old and lonely and for their bastard daughters and nieces to see them as a warning sign of what happens if you don’t lock a man down early

– enough time for mgtow red pill etc to grow

– enough time for girls to figure out that the way to land a high value guy is to bring more to the table than other girls

A lot of these young chicks are out fucking left and right because 1) feminism encourages it and there don’t seem to be any consequences cause their currently 40yo feminist aunt might still land her Mr Big and 2) the guys they’re around are too lame to commit to. The ones who want commitment are super manginas. A girl will commit to a man she’s fully attracted to but a lot of the time these girls treat these guys the way we might bang a fatty and then be like “ok well I’ll call you a cab” and dodge their texts for a month lol

…and 5 million? 10 million??? wtf lol if I’m walkin around the mall lookin at couples I can pretty much guarantee none of them are sitting on 5 mill and are doing just fine lol

(it should be noted that I don’t actually want marriage etc but I always account for the possibility that my wants may change down the road so this is my plan if that happens)

This isn’t even taking into account the option to allow my girl(s) to keep a BB around on the side who just hands her money with getting sex out of it. Or have her live stream playing league of legends in a low cut shirt with a patron account and she’ll be crowdsourcing fortunes out of beta males for us lol

@cervantesscthree
“I think Rollo may be a bit outdated here. I’m 24, and since I was 19, I’ve come across women – who are the same age as me; between 19-24 – that have complained at me precisely because of my unwillingness to commit, and have also told me I need to Man Up and accept some ‘grown up’ responsibilities.

It’s isn’t just me either, I know other, young, game aware men that are experiencing this often, even after one-night stand situations: I, and they, have met women who would have liked me to take it further and wanted me to commit, despite it being a one-night stand. A few of them even went ghost on me after they’ve realised our fling was just that.”

This is along the lines of what I’ve noticed too. It’s not common yet but I’m finding a surprising number of <25yo chicks who are eschewing the whole "let's suck 5000 cocks feminism grrrlpower woo!!" and, while they'll still hook up, they seem to be looking for longer term commitment from those hookups. It's not rampant, like 1 in 5 maybe but that's a lot compared to 10 years ago.

They haven't figured out they have to bring cooking cleaning positive attitude a love of exercise etc to the table yet but I'm noticing the seeds more these days and it's probably a combination of my value increasing over time and my age being in the "he might be ready to settle" age range (there are at least 2 <25yo girls I talk to regularly who would happily settle with me right now if I wanted it), and of them looking at older unhappy lonely bitter feminists and their damaged lonely single moms and realizing maybe that isn't the best path for them to follow.

There's a reason a the #womenagainstfeminism girls tend to be better looking and more feminine than the Jezebel crowd and girls are more into exercise and yoga and Zumba and all that shit and Rollos daughter doesn't have 2 Instagram accounts and why girls are checking out the red pill etc. They haven't fully figured out WHAT to bring to the table because no one will flat out tell them "be hot, pleasant, and cook dinner" but they're starting to look for an "edge" and the seeds are there and will grow over the next couple generations.

Listening to the doom n gloomers in the Manosphere every girl in North America is 300lbs selfish bitch sucking 50 dicks a night, but those guys generally aren't actually out picking up the <25yo crowd on a regular basis. They get one selfish 22yo club rat type a year and declare the sky is falling and everyone jumps on the whining bandwagon lol

There's a shift happening. It'll be very slow but it's coming.


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“But you should know, marriages of more than 8 year age difference are statistically rare ”

Lol my whole LIFE has been “statistically rare”.

Remember I’m talking 10-15 years from now. 10-15 years ago in like 1999 we couldn’t conceive of girls running sexually rampant, naked selfies left and right, tinder ONS shopping, hookup culture all over the place.

Society changes and I’m just calling out the trend I’m noticing. 10-15 years is:

– enough time for me to get my career on track and my finances handled

– enough time for these 40yo feminists to be old and lonely and for their bastard daughters and nieces to see them as a warning sign of what happens if you don’t lock a man down early

– enough time for mgtow red pill etc to grow

– enough time for girls to figure out that the way to land a high value guy is to bring more to the table than other girls

A lot of these young chicks are out fucking left and right because 1) feminism encourages it and there don’t seem to be any consequences cause their currently 40yo feminist aunt might still land her Mr Big and 2) the guys they’re around are too lame to commit to. The ones who want commitment are super manginas. A girl will commit to a man she’s fully attracted to but a lot of the time these girls treat these guys the way we might bang a fatty and then be like “ok well I’ll call you a cab” and dodge their texts for a month lol

…and 5 million? 10 million??? wtf lol if I’m walkin around the mall lookin at couples I can pretty much guarantee none of them are sitting on 5 mill and are doing just fine lol

(it should be noted that I don’t actually want marriage etc but I always account for the possibility that my wants may change down the road so this is my plan if that happens)

This isn’t even taking into account the option to allow my girl(s) to keep a BB around on the side who just hands her money with getting sex out of it. Or have her live stream playing league of legends in a low cut shirt with a patron account and she’ll be crowdsourcing fortunes out of beta males for us lol

@cervantesscthree
“I think Rollo may be a bit outdated here. I’m 24, and since I was 19, I’ve come across women – who are the same age as me; between 19-24 – that have complained at me precisely because of my unwillingness to commit, and have also told me I need to Man Up and accept some ‘grown up’ responsibilities.

It’s isn’t just me either, I know other, young, game aware men that are experiencing this often, even after one-night stand situations: I, and they, have met women who would have liked me to take it further and wanted me to commit, despite it being a one-night stand. A few of them even went ghost on me after they’ve realised our fling was just that.”

This is along the lines of what I’ve noticed too. It’s not common yet but I’m finding a surprising number of <25yo chicks who are eschewing the whole "let's suck 5000 cocks feminism grrrlpower woo!!" and, while they'll still hook up, they seem to be looking for longer term commitment from those hookups. It's not rampant, like 1 in 5 maybe but that's a lot compared to 10 years ago.

They haven't figured out they have to bring cooking cleaning positive attitude a love of exercise etc to the table yet but I'm noticing the seeds more these days and it's probably a combination of my value increasing over time and my age being in the "he might be ready to settle" age range (there are at least 2 <25yo girls I talk to regularly who would happily settle with me right now if I wanted it), and of them looking at older unhappy lonely bitter feminists and their damaged lonely single moms and realizing maybe that isn't the best path for them to follow.

There's a reason a the #womenagainstfeminism girls tend to be better looking and more feminine than the Jezebel crowd and girls are more into exercise and yoga and Zumba and all that shit and Rollos daughter doesn't have 2 Instagram accounts and why girls are checking out the red pill etc. They haven't fully figured out WHAT to bring to the table because no one will flat out tell them "be hot, pleasant, and cook dinner" but they're starting to look for an "edge" and the seeds are there and will grow over the next couple generations.

Listening to the doom n gloomers in the Manosphere every girl in North America is 300lbs selfish bitch sucking 50 dicks a night, but those guys generally aren't actually out picking up the <25yo crowd on a regular basis. They get one selfish 22yo club rat type a year and declare the sky is falling and everyone jumps on the whining bandwagon lol

There's a shift happening. It'll be very slow but it's coming.


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*”…hands her money withOUT getting sex out of it.”

Important fix there my bad lol


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*”…hands her money withOUT getting sex out of it.”

Important fix there my bad lol


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@Kate

@bluedog
“That too shows the danger of swallowing too hard on ideologies – including “red pill”. There may be insights but they shouldn’t be confused for a unified theory or – god forbid – empirical reality.”

It’s not “who makes the most convincing insight arguments”. It’s mass crowdsourced reference experiences of hundreds of thousands of men over 10+ years compared and analyzed for consistent patterns.

@cerveantescthree
“Kid Jupiter also had a strong analysis of this that I support too, he says that”

ya I understand what he’s saying and I agree with it (and the reasons why they bail after), ’cause that dynamic has always been there, but I’m not sure how to describe the difference between the “fish for a boyfriend” shit-test and the “no but seriously, please settle down with me ASAP I don’t want to ride the cock carousel” thing that’s starting to sprout.

I think the difference would be that in both cases the guy is attractive and high-value to her, but in the shit-test version of it if the guy holds his frame and won’t do an LTR she’ll still “take what she can get” and keep banging him…whereas what I’m seeing now is more that the guy is high-value and attractive to her, but when he won’t go for an LTR she tries to overwrite her wiring and bails completely and tries to find a high-value guy who WILL commit.

It doesn’t work most of the time of course. Like the pattern I notice is the girl will go off to find an LTR guy but the guy will end up being lame or the LTR will end up being boring and I get a txt from her and she either dumps him to come bang me again or cheats on him with me because the sex is more exciting.

Like, it’s not a GOOD strategy yet, and as I said they haven’t figured out exactly what to bring to the table yet to make high-value guys want to commit in 2015 (like the girls who want me to LTR them don’t realize that “oh I hate cooking I just eat out or microwave stuff” makes me rule them out as potential LTR/mother-of-my-kids material), but it’s like watching a baby try to take its first steps and stumble and fall over. The seed seems to be planted and I think down the road it’s going to take root.

“In my case, these women are university educated and would put everything on hold just to give it a shot, they’re not the naive teenager.”

Right, this is the type I notice it with too. I find the <22yos are still in that naive teenager phase, but the 22-26 educated (and hot, the girls I'm thinking of as I write this have all been solid 8+s and feminine) crowd is where the shift seems to be happening. I'm also noticing these girls tend not to drink much either. Usually they're the DDs for their friends or just don't go out very often…when they DO they get white girl wasted and txt me ridiculous shit lol, but like they're 23yo and living in the middle of a large city and often have friends who party and get wasted, yet they themselves aren't in the bars throwing back doubles and shots every weekend because it will fuck them up for running their marathon the next morning.

Also they don't seem to want kids just YET, they still want to try the feminism career thing, but like, they seem to realize that it's a good idea to lock a man down (basically calling "dibs" on him) and THEN focus on your career VS focusing on your career before locking a man down. I've heard <25yo girls who are in the initial stages of a career say the phrase "I want kids, but not for another 10 years" a lot. Like they want to lock a guy down so that when the baby clock starts ticking at 30 they have a good high-value man and a solid relationship to introduce kids into. I don't want to say they aren't INTERESTED in riding the cock carousel anymore because the ramifications of that would be too insane and we still see a trend toward open Hypergamy and openly running the BB/AF strategy…but it seems like the spark of a thought process like "I know I have access to a million guys with Tinder Facebook bars, etc. I have unlimited access to BB and AF…but because I have that much choice I can choose a solid high-value guy who can provide both the bucks and the fucks…I can ditch this high-value guy who won't commit because I have so many men to choose from that I can probably find a guy just as high-value who WILL commit (but of course she can't because most guys turn out to be lame or if they're awesome thy don't want to commit)".

Again this is still a verrrry small percent, and it's still totally possible to bang these girls and override their attempts to override their programming, but the fact that this is happening at ALL tells me there's a potential shift starting up because I never saw this at ALL 5-10 years ago, and even in just this thread there are a few guys reporting noticing the same trend like this:

"But still, a woman I have been involved with for some time, who’s 22, has bugged me for years to settle, commit and start a family ASAP. And I’m not the only one to experience this. One of her reasons for pestering me about this, is that she doesn’t want to be that “older woman with regrets”. Is there a possibility a younger generation of women are seeing the lies of feminism and how women have suffered as a result? And want to cash in whilst their SMV are at their highest, as well as the their capacity to bear children?"

I think this is what's happening. Despite Kate's NAWALT insistence (let me guess your friends are all "vivacious" and "gorgeous" too), hot young sexy <25yo chicks aren't reading Jezebel. It's all disgusting damaged land whales and single moms and old sagging cougars and shit. Those women found Feminism when Feminists were in their early 20s, no one knew how that little "have it all sex & the city" experiment would pan out yet, but despite

It's like the raptor in Jurassic Park lol…clever girls, they're learning.

I think this'll take a solid couple generations to come into full effect, but this is my prediction based on my observations and logic. I don't care about optimism or ideal realities or anything, like I'm not thinking "boy I hope that's how it works out!", all I care about is cold hard experience. If my experience (and the experience of guys I know) showed me that, say, all men are unattractive past 35, I would be locking down a girl for an LTR tomorrow. In fact, that's how I thought it was going to go back when I was in my late 20s. I was geared up to potentially have to settle down by 35. Then "something" happened in society and I started seeing this shift and now I have a rejuvenated energy for staying single through my 30s into my 40s bare minimum. Settling earlier seems just silly…even if I found a great girl tomorrow, in 10 years I could find thousands more girls all potentially just as great and years younger/hotter and, if my theory holds up, potentially coming with greater assets (cooking, healthy lifestyles, etc.). I'm not seeing any reason to cash my chips in early when I notice the casino is suddenly open extended hours lol

Also I don't think most of the Manosphere would agree with me on this lol Like the "all north american women are horrible, EE and Asia has all the perfect girls there!!" mentality is huge. I'm like that guy who just noticed that the electric fence around Jurassic Park flickered off for a split second and as everyone walks off he stares at the fence thinking "hmm that might be something to keep an eye on…"

More on my theory here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/1/#comment-heartiste-643612

I should officially coin a name for it…The YaReally Reversion Theory. lol Because I think we're going to see women VOLUNTARILY (that's the biggest mind-fuck part of it) "revert" to 1940s type gender roles within a couple generations. They'll still be "feminists" but it'll be like Feminism+ where they've rationalized that being a good housewife is empowering.


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@bluedog
“That too shows the danger of swallowing too hard on ideologies – including “red pill”. There may be insights but they shouldn’t be confused for a unified theory or – god forbid – empirical reality.”

It’s not “who makes the most convincing insight arguments”. It’s mass crowdsourced reference experiences of hundreds of thousands of men over 10+ years compared and analyzed for consistent patterns.

@cerveantescthree
“Kid Jupiter also had a strong analysis of this that I support too, he says that”

ya I understand what he’s saying and I agree with it (and the reasons why they bail after), ’cause that dynamic has always been there, but I’m not sure how to describe the difference between the “fish for a boyfriend” shit-test and the “no but seriously, please settle down with me ASAP I don’t want to ride the cock carousel” thing that’s starting to sprout.

I think the difference would be that in both cases the guy is attractive and high-value to her, but in the shit-test version of it if the guy holds his frame and won’t do an LTR she’ll still “take what she can get” and keep banging him…whereas what I’m seeing now is more that the guy is high-value and attractive to her, but when he won’t go for an LTR she tries to overwrite her wiring and bails completely and tries to find a high-value guy who WILL commit.

It doesn’t work most of the time of course. Like the pattern I notice is the girl will go off to find an LTR guy but the guy will end up being lame or the LTR will end up being boring and I get a txt from her and she either dumps him to come bang me again or cheats on him with me because the sex is more exciting.

Like, it’s not a GOOD strategy yet, and as I said they haven’t figured out exactly what to bring to the table yet to make high-value guys want to commit in 2015 (like the girls who want me to LTR them don’t realize that “oh I hate cooking I just eat out or microwave stuff” makes me rule them out as potential LTR/mother-of-my-kids material), but it’s like watching a baby try to take its first steps and stumble and fall over. The seed seems to be planted and I think down the road it’s going to take root.

“In my case, these women are university educated and would put everything on hold just to give it a shot, they’re not the naive teenager.”

Right, this is the type I notice it with too. I find the <22yos are still in that naive teenager phase, but the 22-26 educated (and hot, the girls I'm thinking of as I write this have all been solid 8+s and feminine) crowd is where the shift seems to be happening. I'm also noticing these girls tend not to drink much either. Usually they're the DDs for their friends or just don't go out very often…when they DO they get white girl wasted and txt me ridiculous shit lol, but like they're 23yo and living in the middle of a large city and often have friends who party and get wasted, yet they themselves aren't in the bars throwing back doubles and shots every weekend because it will fuck them up for running their marathon the next morning.

Also they don't seem to want kids just YET, they still want to try the feminism career thing, but like, they seem to realize that it's a good idea to lock a man down (basically calling "dibs" on him) and THEN focus on your career VS focusing on your career before locking a man down. I've heard <25yo girls who are in the initial stages of a career say the phrase "I want kids, but not for another 10 years" a lot. Like they want to lock a guy down so that when the baby clock starts ticking at 30 they have a good high-value man and a solid relationship to introduce kids into. I don't want to say they aren't INTERESTED in riding the cock carousel anymore because the ramifications of that would be too insane and we still see a trend toward open Hypergamy and openly running the BB/AF strategy…but it seems like the spark of a thought process like "I know I have access to a million guys with Tinder Facebook bars, etc. I have unlimited access to BB and AF…but because I have that much choice I can choose a solid high-value guy who can provide both the bucks and the fucks…I can ditch this high-value guy who won't commit because I have so many men to choose from that I can probably find a guy just as high-value who WILL commit (but of course she can't because most guys turn out to be lame or if they're awesome thy don't want to commit)".

Again this is still a verrrry small percent, and it's still totally possible to bang these girls and override their attempts to override their programming, but the fact that this is happening at ALL tells me there's a potential shift starting up because I never saw this at ALL 5-10 years ago, and even in just this thread there are a few guys reporting noticing the same trend like this:

"But still, a woman I have been involved with for some time, who’s 22, has bugged me for years to settle, commit and start a family ASAP. And I’m not the only one to experience this. One of her reasons for pestering me about this, is that she doesn’t want to be that “older woman with regrets”. Is there a possibility a younger generation of women are seeing the lies of feminism and how women have suffered as a result? And want to cash in whilst their SMV are at their highest, as well as the their capacity to bear children?"

I think this is what's happening. Despite Kate's NAWALT insistence (let me guess your friends are all "vivacious" and "gorgeous" too), hot young sexy <25yo chicks aren't reading Jezebel. It's all disgusting damaged land whales and single moms and old sagging cougars and shit. Those women found Feminism when Feminists were in their early 20s, no one knew how that little "have it all sex & the city" experiment would pan out yet, but despite

It's like the raptor in Jurassic Park lol…clever girls, they're learning.

I think this'll take a solid couple generations to come into full effect, but this is my prediction based on my observations and logic. I don't care about optimism or ideal realities or anything, like I'm not thinking "boy I hope that's how it works out!", all I care about is cold hard experience. If my experience (and the experience of guys I know) showed me that, say, all men are unattractive past 35, I would be locking down a girl for an LTR tomorrow. In fact, that's how I thought it was going to go back when I was in my late 20s. I was geared up to potentially have to settle down by 35. Then "something" happened in society and I started seeing this shift and now I have a rejuvenated energy for staying single through my 30s into my 40s bare minimum. Settling earlier seems just silly…even if I found a great girl tomorrow, in 10 years I could find thousands more girls all potentially just as great and years younger/hotter and, if my theory holds up, potentially coming with greater assets (cooking, healthy lifestyles, etc.). I'm not seeing any reason to cash my chips in early when I notice the casino is suddenly open extended hours lol

Also I don't think most of the Manosphere would agree with me on this lol Like the "all north american women are horrible, EE and Asia has all the perfect girls there!!" mentality is huge. I'm like that guy who just noticed that the electric fence around Jurassic Park flickered off for a split second and as everyone walks off he stares at the fence thinking "hmm that might be something to keep an eye on…"

More on my theory here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/1/#comment-heartiste-643612

I should officially coin a name for it…The YaReally Reversion Theory. lol Because I think we're going to see women VOLUNTARILY (that's the biggest mind-fuck part of it) "revert" to 1940s type gender roles within a couple generations. They'll still be "feminists" but it'll be like Feminism+ where they've rationalized that being a good housewife is empowering.


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Far as the truck stuff goes I don’t even get how the truck is relevant lol Why would she even see your truck? You just meet up with her somewhere within walking distance of your apartment and bang her on that first meet. She won’t see what I drive until she asks for a ride home in the morning and if she’s turned off by my vehicle it’s like who cares I already banged her lol and she’ll rationalize that my vehicle is cool because she wouldn’t sleep with a “loser” so for her to tell herself she slept with a high-value guy she’d have to convince herself my shitty car is cool lol That’s how I get away with not having a car. Most of the time they don’t even know I don’t have a car till we’ve banged a few times because my first meet is walking distance, I call them a cab home after we bang, and the meets after that are at my apartment door so the topic of a car just doesn’t really come up.

Same thing with job, financial situation, wardrobe, etc. I’m gonna’ bang her that first night so none of that stuff is really relevant. If I was going to date her for like a month before we bang, it would probably come into play, but like, if it’s taking me more than one or two dates MAX to bang her, my game needs tightening.

@Rollo
I’ve heard other people say similar stuff about MMSL, which is a shame because that was my go-to resource for married/LTR guys who ask me for help. I don’t follow him or his forums or anything at all so I’m not up to date on what his MMSL advice is. Was his old MAP in book form where I can still link the book to guys with the caveat to ignore his website, or has he replaced his old book with a new neutered one that I shouldn’t be recommending (and instead may have to find a copy of the old book on Scribd or something to link people)? I don’t care about the politics of it all or what he’s doing on his board…all I care about is having a good resource I can link guys who are married/LTR in dead bedrooms that can help them out. From what I’ve read the original MAP really DID help a lot of guys with dead bedrooms.

Any opinion? From anyone really not just Rollo lol PUA is too much work for someone who’s stuck in a dead bedroom like an old married dude with 3 kids, to get into but I would hate not being able to link ANYTHING to help those guys out.

@Sun Wukong
“I mean if you can really make the case that a boomerang isn’t just a shit test featuring the CC then I’m all ears, but I really think in the end it is.”

lol fully aware that what I’m saying is a bit out there. I’ve actually never tried to articulate it until this thread, so bear with me here a lot of this is me sitting down and thinking this out in the moment trying to figure out how to explain these nuances so it’s going to be scattered thoughts. Fully open to questions, they force me to analyse it deeper to make sure I’m not just fooling myself.

“The boomerang women are exactly like the shit testers in the results it sounds like. Either way she’s gonna go off to fuck another guy.”

I agree with this. The end result LOOKS the same right NOW: they’re still going cock to cock. But the difference to me is that it seems like these girls are ATTEMPTING serial monogamy. They don’t know how to GET a high-value guy to commit to them yet, because feminism has taught them that just having a pussy should be enough so they aren’t bringing enough to the table to actually land them, but this type of girl seems to be aware that the strategy feminists have encouraged isn’t optimal for the end result they want.

It’s like if I value people who bring me fish, and you come to me wanting me to accept you but you don’t have any fish, I’m going to turn you down and you’re going to go to the next guy hoping he’ll accept your fishlessness but he doesn’t want it either because he also values fish. You don’t realize we want fish, so you keep knocking on our doors not really understanding why it isn’t working. That’s the stage it seems to be at now, so the end result looks the same as someone just knocking on all the doors…it’s still an end result of her riding the cock carousel.

But at some point you’re going to figure out that carrying a fish makes me more receptive to let you in and when you get in, you’re not going to be knocking on those other doors because you got what you wanted. So you’re not knocking on those other doors because you WANT to, it’s like a begrudging “I guess I HAVE to knock on the next door because I don’t know how to get this one to let me in”.

The difference between this and the usual attitude of girls is that the usual attitude is more like “fuck fish! fuck going in the doors! I just wanna knock on as many doors as possible woo!!” running down the hallway banging multiple doors at a time and playing them off eachother and going into one apartment while leaving the door wide open and sneaking out to other apartments etc. Like they’re riding the cock carousel out of a sense of adventure and fun and feminist “empowerment”.

Now we expect this behavior from older women who are approaching The Wall. We fully expect a woman who’s 30 to start looking for a serious LTR where she can stop banging on the doors in the hallway. Like the mindset of that 30yo is more that begrudging “I guess I’ll knock on the next door because I HAVE to since I don’t know how to get into this other apartment :(” but she’s trying to get off the carousel.

Except this is with the <25yo crowd, which is the weird part. It's like they're taking that mentality and applying it 10 years sooner than we're used to. So I'm running into girls who are like 23 but already seem to be trying to get off the cock carousel. So it's not that this behavior is totally unprecedented, women closer to the Wall already often execute this behavior, but to see it in THIS age range, at the start or prior to their careers instead of AFTER…THAT'S the unusual part I'm taking note of.

It's kind of like gambling…say you have to play poker to pay your rent and you just don't realize that people can lose significant amounts of money gambling so you're having fun. But then you see a few of your friends take huge losses and go bankrupt (old lonely feminist aunts and single moms and friends who are single moms, that article about the 37yo freezing her eggs jesus that was depressing etc.) and suddenly you're no longer playing that next hand because it's super fun and consequence-free, you're playing it because you didn't make your fortune on the last hand and HAVE to play another one but you'd really rather make your fortune on this next hand and cash out and not risk the bankruptcy.

The catch is that right now this is a really minor seed sprouting so it's not working out, because what I'd say is happening is that these girls aren't bringing enough to the table to land a high-value guy, so the guys that DO take them in as an LTR are, logically, not super high-value because they don't expect her to bring anything to the table, so you get that "I wouldn't be a member of a club that would accept people like me" mentality where she ends up dissatisfied.

Right NOW the only time it seems to work out and I never hear from them again is if she happens to be offering juuuuuust enough to land a guy who's juuuuuuust high-value enough to appease her Hypergamy. So you get a girl who does squats and cooks, landing a guy who's got just slightly higher value than most of the guys around him. She's not going to land a AAA celeb with the minor amount of value she's bringing to the table, but she lands a guy who's at least a bit better than the other guys around him and that's good enough.

"How do you know the boomerang was going to stay if you didn’t treat it like a shit test? The fact that she came back? She’s still trying to assert that she’s a SIW with those actions. If she takes a couple years and comes back closer to The Wall, how is it any different from the typical shit test in anyway other than time scale?"

I think the biggest difference is that she hyperfocuses on her LTR attempt:

Like the usual <25yo girls will land an LTR but they'll still be out at the bar every weekend flirting and having drunk makeouts, maybe cheat, definitely keep monkey branches on the line to swing to, fuckbuddies on the side, they'll keep texting with me and sending me sexy pics for my validation etc., and if we run into eachother at the bar I KNOW she's going to come home with me and fuck me with barely any resistance. She's really only in an LTR at that age in the absolute loosest sense of the word.

But this type of <25yo girl I'm starting to see, when she tries an LTR, shuts EVERYTHING else down completely. She stops texting with me (or txts super platonic friendship style, no more flirting), she stops going out to the bars, she isn't banging other guys on the side, it's like she just completely goes into ghost mode with other guys and focuses on her LTR guy. If I run into her at the bar she's MASSIVELY reluctant to hook up again and tries VERY hard to resist and feels a ton of regret if we DO hook up because she's TRYING to be a "good girlfriend". Like it's an uphill battle to bang her.

Right NOW, this strategy often doesn't work out, because she's not bringing much to the table so she can't get a guy high-value enough to really keep her Hypergamy under control for more than a few months, so like 3 or 4 months later I'll get a txt from her that she's broken it off because she got bored or whatever and we'll hook up again till she finds the next guy but then boom, she's a ghost again.

So it's like a serial monogamy strategy. I'm only seeing her BETWEEN guys instead of while she's WITH guys. Again, I'm used to that from older women, but seeing that behavior (and other guys seeing it too) in girls as young as 22 is notable because it suggests that these girls are thinking longer-term than the other girls, and the obvious logical cause of that longer-term thinking would be seeing the shitty results of the cock carousel feminist grrl-power empowerment strategy where you get them saying stuff like "I don't want to end up old and alone".

5-10 years ago, like I say, there was still a chance these old lonely women were going to find their Mr. Big. But now it's hard to avoid noticing how miserable old childless husbandless women are…whether it's their own single mom, or their crazy cat lady aunt, or their bitter female teacher, etc.

And like I say, they haven't really figured out how utilize this strategy yet, so the end result still looks like cock carousel riding…but when they start figuring out how to offer enough value that a high-value guy says "wow, you're not like the other 23yos, you would be good wife material, ok I want to settle down with you" and locks down with her, that's when this strategy is going to pick up more steam.

They're kind of like how the original PUAs went "ok none of us knows how to get girls, so we're going to try stuff and see what behaviors offer enough value that these girls want to fuck us" and now we have the red pill communities. I think right now they're in that early stage where they don't even realize they SHOULD be offering more value than just having a pussy, but a couple generations from now they could end up like TRP where maybe mainstream feminism scolds them for wanting to be 1950s housewives, but they're seeing success and seeing their <25yo friends lock high-value guys down by offering the 1950s housewife attitude and they'll do what works regardless of feminist approval.

"if you’ll let her fire a big shit test, bail out on you, then come back after fucking a other guy, what does that say about your frame?"

lol well for me specifically it doesn't matter because I'm not trying to date her so I don't care if she bangs other guys. I don't have any "you can't see anyone else" rules with casual FBs so she's not breaking any rules with me. I'm only offering casual sex and I know if she wants an LTR and a guy comes along who's offering her an LTR she'll jump ship to him…but like I say the usual girls would continue to bang me (or stay in touch with me "just incase" and/or other guys) on the side whereas this new type seems to completely cut other guys off while they try their best to make their LTR work.

Hope this makes sense lol like I say bear with me if it's all scattered thoughts. I'm aware I'm describing something very small and it's entirely possible that I'm wrong, but it's something I'm paying attention to and have seen enough evidence of that I'm willing to hold off on settling down banking on my theory holding up, but it'll take another few years to really tell. Like I've said a bunch of times this is still a small percent of girls. The big indicators of this being an actual cultural shift will be when we start seeing articles on the net by women claiming that taking care of your man and household is something to be admired and is the new empowered woman who prides herself on nurturing others instead of slaving away in a cubicle etc. etc. like where they slander the thing they've been promoting as success, and hold up the thing they've slandered as the new success. If we start seeing articles like that in the next <5 years, that's going to be a big indicator.


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on February 8th, 2015 at 7:57 pm
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Far as the truck stuff goes I don’t even get how the truck is relevant lol Why would she even see your truck? You just meet up with her somewhere within walking distance of your apartment and bang her on that first meet. She won’t see what I drive until she asks for a ride home in the morning and if she’s turned off by my vehicle it’s like who cares I already banged her lol and she’ll rationalize that my vehicle is cool because she wouldn’t sleep with a “loser” so for her to tell herself she slept with a high-value guy she’d have to convince herself my shitty car is cool lol That’s how I get away with not having a car. Most of the time they don’t even know I don’t have a car till we’ve banged a few times because my first meet is walking distance, I call them a cab home after we bang, and the meets after that are at my apartment door so the topic of a car just doesn’t really come up.

Same thing with job, financial situation, wardrobe, etc. I’m gonna’ bang her that first night so none of that stuff is really relevant. If I was going to date her for like a month before we bang, it would probably come into play, but like, if it’s taking me more than one or two dates MAX to bang her, my game needs tightening.

@Rollo
I’ve heard other people say similar stuff about MMSL, which is a shame because that was my go-to resource for married/LTR guys who ask me for help. I don’t follow him or his forums or anything at all so I’m not up to date on what his MMSL advice is. Was his old MAP in book form where I can still link the book to guys with the caveat to ignore his website, or has he replaced his old book with a new neutered one that I shouldn’t be recommending (and instead may have to find a copy of the old book on Scribd or something to link people)? I don’t care about the politics of it all or what he’s doing on his board…all I care about is having a good resource I can link guys who are married/LTR in dead bedrooms that can help them out. From what I’ve read the original MAP really DID help a lot of guys with dead bedrooms.

Any opinion? From anyone really not just Rollo lol PUA is too much work for someone who’s stuck in a dead bedroom like an old married dude with 3 kids, to get into but I would hate not being able to link ANYTHING to help those guys out.

@Sun Wukong
“I mean if you can really make the case that a boomerang isn’t just a shit test featuring the CC then I’m all ears, but I really think in the end it is.”

lol fully aware that what I’m saying is a bit out there. I’ve actually never tried to articulate it until this thread, so bear with me here a lot of this is me sitting down and thinking this out in the moment trying to figure out how to explain these nuances so it’s going to be scattered thoughts. Fully open to questions, they force me to analyse it deeper to make sure I’m not just fooling myself.

“The boomerang women are exactly like the shit testers in the results it sounds like. Either way she’s gonna go off to fuck another guy.”

I agree with this. The end result LOOKS the same right NOW: they’re still going cock to cock. But the difference to me is that it seems like these girls are ATTEMPTING serial monogamy. They don’t know how to GET a high-value guy to commit to them yet, because feminism has taught them that just having a pussy should be enough so they aren’t bringing enough to the table to actually land them, but this type of girl seems to be aware that the strategy feminists have encouraged isn’t optimal for the end result they want.

It’s like if I value people who bring me fish, and you come to me wanting me to accept you but you don’t have any fish, I’m going to turn you down and you’re going to go to the next guy hoping he’ll accept your fishlessness but he doesn’t want it either because he also values fish. You don’t realize we want fish, so you keep knocking on our doors not really understanding why it isn’t working. That’s the stage it seems to be at now, so the end result looks the same as someone just knocking on all the doors…it’s still an end result of her riding the cock carousel.

But at some point you’re going to figure out that carrying a fish makes me more receptive to let you in and when you get in, you’re not going to be knocking on those other doors because you got what you wanted. So you’re not knocking on those other doors because you WANT to, it’s like a begrudging “I guess I HAVE to knock on the next door because I don’t know how to get this one to let me in”.

The difference between this and the usual attitude of girls is that the usual attitude is more like “fuck fish! fuck going in the doors! I just wanna knock on as many doors as possible woo!!” running down the hallway banging multiple doors at a time and playing them off eachother and going into one apartment while leaving the door wide open and sneaking out to other apartments etc. Like they’re riding the cock carousel out of a sense of adventure and fun and feminist “empowerment”.

Now we expect this behavior from older women who are approaching The Wall. We fully expect a woman who’s 30 to start looking for a serious LTR where she can stop banging on the doors in the hallway. Like the mindset of that 30yo is more that begrudging “I guess I’ll knock on the next door because I HAVE to since I don’t know how to get into this other apartment :(” but she’s trying to get off the carousel.

Except this is with the <25yo crowd, which is the weird part. It's like they're taking that mentality and applying it 10 years sooner than we're used to. So I'm running into girls who are like 23 but already seem to be trying to get off the cock carousel. So it's not that this behavior is totally unprecedented, women closer to the Wall already often execute this behavior, but to see it in THIS age range, at the start or prior to their careers instead of AFTER…THAT'S the unusual part I'm taking note of.

It's kind of like gambling…say you have to play poker to pay your rent and you just don't realize that people can lose significant amounts of money gambling so you're having fun. But then you see a few of your friends take huge losses and go bankrupt (old lonely feminist aunts and single moms and friends who are single moms, that article about the 37yo freezing her eggs jesus that was depressing etc.) and suddenly you're no longer playing that next hand because it's super fun and consequence-free, you're playing it because you didn't make your fortune on the last hand and HAVE to play another one but you'd really rather make your fortune on this next hand and cash out and not risk the bankruptcy.

The catch is that right now this is a really minor seed sprouting so it's not working out, because what I'd say is happening is that these girls aren't bringing enough to the table to land a high-value guy, so the guys that DO take them in as an LTR are, logically, not super high-value because they don't expect her to bring anything to the table, so you get that "I wouldn't be a member of a club that would accept people like me" mentality where she ends up dissatisfied.

Right NOW the only time it seems to work out and I never hear from them again is if she happens to be offering juuuuuust enough to land a guy who's juuuuuuust high-value enough to appease her Hypergamy. So you get a girl who does squats and cooks, landing a guy who's got just slightly higher value than most of the guys around him. She's not going to land a AAA celeb with the minor amount of value she's bringing to the table, but she lands a guy who's at least a bit better than the other guys around him and that's good enough.

"How do you know the boomerang was going to stay if you didn’t treat it like a shit test? The fact that she came back? She’s still trying to assert that she’s a SIW with those actions. If she takes a couple years and comes back closer to The Wall, how is it any different from the typical shit test in anyway other than time scale?"

I think the biggest difference is that she hyperfocuses on her LTR attempt:

Like the usual <25yo girls will land an LTR but they'll still be out at the bar every weekend flirting and having drunk makeouts, maybe cheat, definitely keep monkey branches on the line to swing to, fuckbuddies on the side, they'll keep texting with me and sending me sexy pics for my validation etc., and if we run into eachother at the bar I KNOW she's going to come home with me and fuck me with barely any resistance. She's really only in an LTR at that age in the absolute loosest sense of the word.

But this type of <25yo girl I'm starting to see, when she tries an LTR, shuts EVERYTHING else down completely. She stops texting with me (or txts super platonic friendship style, no more flirting), she stops going out to the bars, she isn't banging other guys on the side, it's like she just completely goes into ghost mode with other guys and focuses on her LTR guy. If I run into her at the bar she's MASSIVELY reluctant to hook up again and tries VERY hard to resist and feels a ton of regret if we DO hook up because she's TRYING to be a "good girlfriend". Like it's an uphill battle to bang her.

Right NOW, this strategy often doesn't work out, because she's not bringing much to the table so she can't get a guy high-value enough to really keep her Hypergamy under control for more than a few months, so like 3 or 4 months later I'll get a txt from her that she's broken it off because she got bored or whatever and we'll hook up again till she finds the next guy but then boom, she's a ghost again.

So it's like a serial monogamy strategy. I'm only seeing her BETWEEN guys instead of while she's WITH guys. Again, I'm used to that from older women, but seeing that behavior (and other guys seeing it too) in girls as young as 22 is notable because it suggests that these girls are thinking longer-term than the other girls, and the obvious logical cause of that longer-term thinking would be seeing the shitty results of the cock carousel feminist grrl-power empowerment strategy where you get them saying stuff like "I don't want to end up old and alone".

5-10 years ago, like I say, there was still a chance these old lonely women were going to find their Mr. Big. But now it's hard to avoid noticing how miserable old childless husbandless women are…whether it's their own single mom, or their crazy cat lady aunt, or their bitter female teacher, etc.

And like I say, they haven't really figured out how utilize this strategy yet, so the end result still looks like cock carousel riding…but when they start figuring out how to offer enough value that a high-value guy says "wow, you're not like the other 23yos, you would be good wife material, ok I want to settle down with you" and locks down with her, that's when this strategy is going to pick up more steam.

They're kind of like how the original PUAs went "ok none of us knows how to get girls, so we're going to try stuff and see what behaviors offer enough value that these girls want to fuck us" and now we have the red pill communities. I think right now they're in that early stage where they don't even realize they SHOULD be offering more value than just having a pussy, but a couple generations from now they could end up like TRP where maybe mainstream feminism scolds them for wanting to be 1950s housewives, but they're seeing success and seeing their <25yo friends lock high-value guys down by offering the 1950s housewife attitude and they'll do what works regardless of feminist approval.

"if you’ll let her fire a big shit test, bail out on you, then come back after fucking a other guy, what does that say about your frame?"

lol well for me specifically it doesn't matter because I'm not trying to date her so I don't care if she bangs other guys. I don't have any "you can't see anyone else" rules with casual FBs so she's not breaking any rules with me. I'm only offering casual sex and I know if she wants an LTR and a guy comes along who's offering her an LTR she'll jump ship to him…but like I say the usual girls would continue to bang me (or stay in touch with me "just incase" and/or other guys) on the side whereas this new type seems to completely cut other guys off while they try their best to make their LTR work.

Hope this makes sense lol like I say bear with me if it's all scattered thoughts. I'm aware I'm describing something very small and it's entirely possible that I'm wrong, but it's something I'm paying attention to and have seen enough evidence of that I'm willing to hold off on settling down banking on my theory holding up, but it'll take another few years to really tell. Like I've said a bunch of times this is still a small percent of girls. The big indicators of this being an actual cultural shift will be when we start seeing articles on the net by women claiming that taking care of your man and household is something to be admired and is the new empowered woman who prides herself on nurturing others instead of slaving away in a cubicle etc. etc. like where they slander the thing they've been promoting as success, and hold up the thing they've slandered as the new success. If we start seeing articles like that in the next <5 years, that's going to be a big indicator.


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on February 8th, 2015 at 8:04 pm
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@Sun Wukong
“Stop looking at it as a fixable problem. While it might self-correct, for now the individual is best off accepting reality for how it is and devoting his energies to furthering his own goals.”

I would suggest that it’s not a “problem” at ALL. I LIKE Hypergamy.

I wouldn’t WANT to live in a world where some buttfuck negative 300lbs loser who just sits in a basement eating Doritos and playing Warcraft all day can shuffle out to the club in his grubby sweatpants and greasy hair with awkward social skills and no goals or hobbies in life no passion or purpose etc., and pull a fucking 10 hottie.

Hypergamy forces me to be my best, which is something I should want for myself ANYWAY. It’s like modern society tells me to do as little as possible and just be an apathetic chode watching reality TV and eating junk food all day…but understanding Hypergamy makes me go “you know, there’s incentive for taking care of myself. I DO want to take care of myself, but it’s a lot easier to just be a pile of shit…but Hypergamy gives me some extra motivation to take care of myself.”

It’s not that I’m only taking care of myself to get pussy, but that it’s an extra bonus to something I should be working on wanting to do anyway.

When I see a smokin hot girl, I don’t think “ugh man, I wish this was EASIER wahhh I wish her standards were lower”. I think “mmm, I want THAT…I’d better bring out my A game.” I WANT her to shit-test and not accept losers, ’cause when I DO get her I know other men aren’t going to be competition to worry about because no one else is going to pass her tests.

A girl with no Hypergamy? You’d have to worry about Dorito Chode taking her from you lol


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@Sun Wukong
“Stop looking at it as a fixable problem. While it might self-correct, for now the individual is best off accepting reality for how it is and devoting his energies to furthering his own goals.”

I would suggest that it’s not a “problem” at ALL. I LIKE Hypergamy.

I wouldn’t WANT to live in a world where some buttfuck negative 300lbs loser who just sits in a basement eating Doritos and playing Warcraft all day can shuffle out to the club in his grubby sweatpants and greasy hair with awkward social skills and no goals or hobbies in life no passion or purpose etc., and pull a fucking 10 hottie.

Hypergamy forces me to be my best, which is something I should want for myself ANYWAY. It’s like modern society tells me to do as little as possible and just be an apathetic chode watching reality TV and eating junk food all day…but understanding Hypergamy makes me go “you know, there’s incentive for taking care of myself. I DO want to take care of myself, but it’s a lot easier to just be a pile of shit…but Hypergamy gives me some extra motivation to take care of myself.”

It’s not that I’m only taking care of myself to get pussy, but that it’s an extra bonus to something I should be working on wanting to do anyway.

When I see a smokin hot girl, I don’t think “ugh man, I wish this was EASIER wahhh I wish her standards were lower”. I think “mmm, I want THAT…I’d better bring out my A game.” I WANT her to shit-test and not accept losers, ’cause when I DO get her I know other men aren’t going to be competition to worry about because no one else is going to pass her tests.

A girl with no Hypergamy? You’d have to worry about Dorito Chode taking her from you lol


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on February 8th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
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@cervantesscthree
To clarify my own quote upon reading it in your comment:

“Like the pattern I notice is the girl will go off to find an LTR guy but the guy will end up being lame or the LTR will end up being boring and I get a txt from her and she either dumps him to come bang me again or cheats on him with me because the sex is more exciting.””

At first glance this seems like a contradiction from my next post where I said these girls don’t cheat with me, but the wording is very careful on this nuance. The timeline is that they vanish COMPLETELY for a few months and once that LTR isn’t working out (because the guy wasn’t high enough value to keep her interested, because she didn’t bring much to the table and he accepted her so logically he can’t be very high value or he wouldn’t have taken her), THAT’S when she “cheats on him with me because the sex is more exciting.” Like it’s once the relationship is on its way out and she dumps him after we bang (one used sex with me as a catalyst TO break up, like we bang and then she txts him that they’re officially done and she goes back on the marketplace).

Just wanted to clarify because it’s important for narrowing this down into whats consistent. If these girls were cheating with me instead of going radio silent then they would just be like the normal girl we’re used to.

“A potential shift is a possibility, but given the incredibly small amount of women behaving like this it could be a tactic that only a few women ever use.”

Right, that’s why I think it’ll take a couple generations. Where the girls attempting this and who figure out “ok bring some housewife skills to the table” end up happy with kids and fufilled lives, and can be compared to the miserable shitty old lonely 70yo feminist bitching in the nursing home, and those girls can teach other girls or teach their daughters “ok look, here’s the secret Konami Code to get a high-value man”.

Like this isn’t something that’s going to pick up steam this year and by the end of the year we’re all surrounded by hot in-shape wife-quality girls lol..but I’m in my early 30s so to me it’s worth keeping an eye on this and comparing notes with other guys like we’re doing here, and seeing if it’s an accurate observation. Because if I’m right, then there’s the potential possibility that when I’m 40 it’ll be like 10% of young hot girls out there offer this housewife value VS 1% and like, that’s worth waiting to me lol

I think if we accept that social trends can cause women to toss away wifey skills, like reports of EE/Asia girls getting shittier as North American culture migrates over to them and warps their mindsets…then the opposite must logically be true: they’re capable of improving. As long as whatever it is 1) benefits their chance of successfully reproducing and 2) is laid out in front of them easy to follow or taught to them by peers/elders.

I don’t have enough evidence to make this an absolute claim of what’s happening or going to happen, but I’m keeping an eye on that electric fence and the raptor eyeballing the power box attached to it lol


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@cervantesscthree
To clarify my own quote upon reading it in your comment:

“Like the pattern I notice is the girl will go off to find an LTR guy but the guy will end up being lame or the LTR will end up being boring and I get a txt from her and she either dumps him to come bang me again or cheats on him with me because the sex is more exciting.””

At first glance this seems like a contradiction from my next post where I said these girls don’t cheat with me, but the wording is very careful on this nuance. The timeline is that they vanish COMPLETELY for a few months and once that LTR isn’t working out (because the guy wasn’t high enough value to keep her interested, because she didn’t bring much to the table and he accepted her so logically he can’t be very high value or he wouldn’t have taken her), THAT’S when she “cheats on him with me because the sex is more exciting.” Like it’s once the relationship is on its way out and she dumps him after we bang (one used sex with me as a catalyst TO break up, like we bang and then she txts him that they’re officially done and she goes back on the marketplace).

Just wanted to clarify because it’s important for narrowing this down into whats consistent. If these girls were cheating with me instead of going radio silent then they would just be like the normal girl we’re used to.

“A potential shift is a possibility, but given the incredibly small amount of women behaving like this it could be a tactic that only a few women ever use.”

Right, that’s why I think it’ll take a couple generations. Where the girls attempting this and who figure out “ok bring some housewife skills to the table” end up happy with kids and fufilled lives, and can be compared to the miserable shitty old lonely 70yo feminist bitching in the nursing home, and those girls can teach other girls or teach their daughters “ok look, here’s the secret Konami Code to get a high-value man”.

Like this isn’t something that’s going to pick up steam this year and by the end of the year we’re all surrounded by hot in-shape wife-quality girls lol..but I’m in my early 30s so to me it’s worth keeping an eye on this and comparing notes with other guys like we’re doing here, and seeing if it’s an accurate observation. Because if I’m right, then there’s the potential possibility that when I’m 40 it’ll be like 10% of young hot girls out there offer this housewife value VS 1% and like, that’s worth waiting to me lol

I think if we accept that social trends can cause women to toss away wifey skills, like reports of EE/Asia girls getting shittier as North American culture migrates over to them and warps their mindsets…then the opposite must logically be true: they’re capable of improving. As long as whatever it is 1) benefits their chance of successfully reproducing and 2) is laid out in front of them easy to follow or taught to them by peers/elders.

I don’t have enough evidence to make this an absolute claim of what’s happening or going to happen, but I’m keeping an eye on that electric fence and the raptor eyeballing the power box attached to it lol


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anon
on February 6, 2015 at 12:12 pm
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Need YaReally et al advice: after you do the “who’s this?” response to punish a woman for going cold the night before or playing game, and she responds IMMEDIATELY, what is the next response?

FR:

(met HB9 at function last night, was on my game, was really determined to fake it til I make it, was in good mood and was super funny all event long, AMOGed her from old beta “boss” she was with, got her number, was meeting a cool buddy later that night, texted her cool message right after leaving the event (while her boss was driving her back to her car), tried to get her to come out that night to join my friend and me (he’s charming & would have helped me) (last night–from now I’m I’m going for same night close), she was flirty but ended up not coming out. because I’m beta I feared I was actually coming off as too much of a player — she’s 35… I sent last message last night saying “ok. sleep tight.” then I feared that might come off as butthurt, which it wasn’t, so I then said “btw that’s not being curt. didn’t expect you to come out tonight. another time” (she had offered “another time” earlier). then she said “let’s do hh” and I generally did not know what that meant and I said “what’s hh? hook up in your house?” then she said “wow” and that was her last message.

so I feared I actually pissed her off.

I said (beta’d out here): “lol I’m just pretending to be a player. obviously I’m not very good at it”

heard nothing rest of night.

she’s a 35 yo old lawyer who seems smart (for a girl) and yes she is a stunning 9. she was generally sweet and not shit testing too much, until the end last night)

now this afternoon:

Her: But not with that guy. I thought about it, lol
Her: Oops, wrong number (Ed: is that even possible with an iphone today???? I think it’s her playing games)
Her: how was the rest of your night?

Me: Who’s this? (I’m trying to show her “I get it” — her “oops wrong number” is a stupid old fashioned game move, and my response is too, right?)

Her: (immediately, like less than half a second later): Lol. [her name]. Lawyer. Wait, who is this?

Now what should I do?


  • YaReally
    on February 6, 2015 at 1:12 pm
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    @anon
    Send back “Jesus how many guys do you give your # out to lol player.” Then game as normal.

    Quit doing this:
    “I said (beta’d out here): “lol I’m just pretending to be a player. obviously I’m not very good at it””

    ““btw that’s not being curt. didn’t expect you to come out tonight. another time””

    Quit apologizing for the shit you say. It’s ok for her to be offended. If she’s hot she’s gone most of her life with everyone terrified to offend her walking on eggshells around her holding back what they think/feel and apologizing when she isn’t even offended.

    This:
    “Me: Who’s this? (I’m trying to show her “I get it” — her “oops wrong number” is a stupid old fashioned game move, and my response is too, right?)”

    Was perfect. This was exactly what to do. She was fucking with you, like you say it’s not even really possible to do that these days. Oh I didn’t notice my BFFs photo wasn’t in the corner of my txt? Come on lol. So you dismiss her attempt to treat you like you’re insignificant by doubling down on it in reverse. She probably knows you’re fucking around too but you gain more respect than if you said “this is YaReally from the party last night remember we met near the staircase and you said that funny thing about Obama”

    If you lose this one it’ll likely be because you keep going back and forth between badass alpha “you mean hookup at your place?” and apologetic beta “Sorry I’m bad at this did I offend you my bad” and she won’t trust who you are and assume you’re a beta in alpha clothing.

    Because she’s 35 she’ll probably give you a little leeway but will probably try to force you into the BB role because of your incongruency. Try to keep the mindset of treating her like a bratty 5yo you lol at for getting mad, not some gorgeous high value 9 you apologize to.



Hunter
on February 6, 2015 at 1:41 pm
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Okay so my Tinder text game sucks, looking for tips. Both girls are below average, but need to start somewhere. Chubby fat 5s, lets go:

Me: What’s cookin good lookin
Her: Nada mucho (emoticon) what about you?
Me: Was just thinkin you look like trouble. You would be the cause of much debauchery :)
Her: I love trouble! I’m down for mischief !!!
Me: Whoa slow down girls ;) you can’t just jump right into doing dirty deeds. What you up to right now
Her: I’m on a bike right now – and I was talking about adventure in general (some emoticon, can’t see it, my phone sucks)
Her: What about you – how do you kill time during the winters
Me: You probably shouldn’t bike in this weather, while Tindering with me especially. Might not be able to control urself and stay on
Me: Oh the usual… watch a web series or read. Gotta stay witty ya know (where I started getting bored (yawn))
Her: While that ride would be super radical, I’m inside at a gym with heat (emoticon)
Me: Can’t wait to see the results. Just got done working out too. Hope ur working on ur glutes ,I’m kind of into em
Her: Noted – not sure I’m qualified to rate them myself though
Me: Np, I’ll give em a once over when we chill. Free tomorrow?
Her (next morning): I’m out of time this week

And it just goes downhill from here. I think I escalate too hard without calibrating back. The other one:

Me: Wtf is with your pics
Her: What do you mean?
Her: You don’t like my skeleton date
Me: You had like 10 pics going on on repeat. Ur dates fine, I’m good with boning
Her: Oh! I have no idea.. It doesn’t show me that I have repeat pictures
Me: Hey whyd you swipe right with me
Her: You’re cute! And I like how you protect our country from terrorists with your charm (my bio is I disarm terrorists with my charisma). Why’d you swipe right on me?
Me: Aw thanks. Cuz you look sexy. As long as your not crazy (and a good cook), i’d definitely take you for a ride
Her: Haha well I can’t cook…
Her: I can make eggs pretty well
Her: That’s about it
Me: Aw seriously? whats the world coming to where a man can’t get a good meal around here
Me: What do you for work

Sigh, I don’t get it, I’m escalating, but I feel like if I randomly insert comfort questions I’ll veer the interaction sideways.

I also know I’m not really qualifying them so they just feel like I’m some horny dude on Tinder.

Any experts willing to take a stab at it, feel free! #YaReally #Culum #walawala


  • Lumpy
    on February 6, 2015 at 3:48 pm
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    Your biggest issue is not pushing for the meetup. You should ignore shit she says that obscures this.

    Me: What’s cookin good lookin
    Her: Nada mucho (emoticon) what about you?
    Me: Was just thinkin you look like trouble. You would be the cause of much debauchery :)
    Her: I love trouble! I’m down for mischief !!!
    Me: Whoa slow down girls ;) you can’t just jump right into doing dirty deeds. What you up to right now [good work with logistics]
    Her: I’m on a bike right now – and I was talking about adventure in general (some emoticon, can’t see it, my phone sucks)
    Her: What about you – how do you kill time during the winters

    This is a good spot to ignore her. “Glad you’re on your way over already. Grab a bottle of wine. My address is 123 xyz” or more low key but effective “You’re already on your bike, ride over 2 blocks and meet me for a drink”

    Me: You probably shouldn’t bike in this weather, while Tindering with me especially. Might not be able to control urself and stay on

    Not bad, but doesn’t get you anywhere.

    Me: Can’t wait to see the results. Just got done working out too. Hope ur working on ur glutes ,I’m kind of into em
    Her: Noted – not sure I’m qualified to rate them myself though
    Me: Np, I’ll give em a once over when we chill. Free tomorrow?
    Her (next morning): I’m out of time this week

    Your compliment, while better than “u r hot”, puts you down as slightly chasing. Then instead of telling her to meet, you ask her if she’s free. If she’s chasing you a bit “Free tomorrow?” will work, but even then it’s nice to put a time out there then let her tell you her logistics.

    Me: Wtf is with your pics
    Her: What do you mean?
    Her: You don’t like my skeleton date
    Me: You had like 10 pics going on on repeat. Ur dates fine, I’m good with boning
    Her: Oh! I have no idea.. It doesn’t show me that I have repeat pictures
    Me: Hey whyd you swipe right with me
    Her: You’re cute! And I like how you protect our country from terrorists with your charm (my bio is I disarm terrorists with my charisma). Why’d you swipe right on me?

    Boom, great spot to ask her out right here.

    Me: Aw thanks. Cuz you look sexy. As long as your not crazy (and a good cook), i’d definitely take you for a ride [nice qualification]
    Her: Haha well I can’t cook…
    Her: I can make eggs pretty well
    Her: That’s about it

    That’s the open-est fucking window I’ve ever seen! “Cool, you’re on eggs. Hit the grocery store with me at 8. We’ll do wine and sweet potato fries on the side”

    Now you’re going to take a girl directly to your house from the grocery store and get her boozed up. ;)

    Me: Aw seriously? whats the world coming to where a man can’t get a good meal around here [dude, she just told you that she did cook. listen to her ;)]
    Me: What do you for work

    Never ask that lol. If you ever are in a position where you need to, cold read it. “I bet you’re a graphic designer. Redoing my website would be great way to get in my pants *wink wink, nudge nudge*”

    “I also know I’m not really qualifying them so they just feel like I’m some horny dude on Tinder.”

    Everyone is horny on tinder. Yes there’s a long game you can play with qualifying, but with 7s and below that just want to get banged out, making the opportunity for that without a lot of fuss is the best way to go.


    • YaReally
      on February 6, 2015 at 6:40 pm
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      @Lumpy
      @Hunter

      Lumpy nailed this one: “Your biggest issue is not pushing for the meetup. You should ignore shit she says that obscures this.”

      Your actual txting/banter was solid as fuck. I was nodding my head as I read it. It’s not as bad as you might think it is so don’t second guess it.

      But always be pushing the interaction forward, like Lumpy is talking about. “Free tomorrow?” and “Show me tomorrow, BarX 8pm. Wear your finest glute-jeans.” both result in “I can’t sorry” but one comes off as “can I maybe fit into your schedule sometime?” while the other assumes the sale with specifics. Throw in a classic DavidD “cancel it, I’m more fun.” to her plans and you’re demoing a bunch of assume the sale vibes.

      Same with the cooking girl. Instead if pushing forward like Lumpy says with the cooking for you, you back up and go sideways with the interaction instead of forwards.

      Two things to remember:

      1) the window can happen much faster than your brain is prepared to expect it to happen. Your brain will think “no it couldn’t be on THIS fast, I’d better joke around some more and ask about her job” but the key is only doing as much as is necessary and spotting those open windows to escalate thru. I had an amazing natural buddy who got laid like crazy but hanging out with him a lot I noticed that the main thing he was doing was just that he learned to spot those windows and never missed jumping thru them whether they took multiple interactions to appear or whether they appeared in 10 seconds. Unfortubately the way to learn to spot this is to miss them and lose a lay and then you remember for next time lol so this’ll come in time and frustration lol

      1) it doesn’t matter if she rejects the offer. That’s fine. Often my first pitch will be something I KNOW she’ll reject like something I couldn’t do even if she said yes lol like “ya I’m at BarX. Throw on your dancing shoes and come join me for a drink”. I know she’s not likely to do that and I’m not necessarily even AT BarX lol if she says yes then I’ll get my ass to BarX but I know if in pitching it that soon she’ll probably reject it and need comfort etc.

      Or I’ll pitch something outlandish like “sounds good. So my place, 8pm then. You don’t have to get all done up, lingerie under a long coat is fine.” It’s highly unlikely she’s going to agree to that. But I’m pitching it when I pass the hook point like you did with these two where they’re curious about you, I’ll throw an invite as soon as I see a window to even if they won’t take it.

      Why? Cause I’m just showing my intent. I’m showing that I take action and go for what I want and am not afraid to make my move. She’ll often shit-test like “lol woah who said I was coming over” or “lol I’m not that easy” but that just tells me “ok calibrate, back off and offer what she needs…she doesn’t want to seem slutty so make her feel special beyond sex” So I’ll throw something back like “well I suppose instead of crazy monkey sex we could go have a drink in a well lit public place with witnesses and “get to know eachother” instead ughhh you’re so high maintenance lol” where I’m letting her know I’m not just a horndog I do legit want to get to know her. Or if she plays along but clearly doesn’t intend to do it like to the lingerie long coat she replies “oh okay I’ll make sure to bring my handcuffs too” I’ll pull it back with “Hmm you might be trouble. Let’s try a public place with witnesses first. BarX, 8pm.”

      But like thru all of that I’m attempting to make specific plans, and I’m unfazed if she rejects my offer because I don’t really expect her to accept it anyway. She MIGHT accept it and that’s always a nice surprise, but like I would rather say “ooh a girl who can cook. I’m impressed. Ok drinks at BarX Thursday, 8pm. You’re cooking us these amazing eggs in the morning.” than “ooh a girl who can cook. I’m impressed. So what do you do for work?” because the former is moving things forward and forcing her to react. She’ll probably say “oh you think I’m staying over do you lol I’m not that easy” and I’ll just drop a “fine fine I suppose we can just “talk” and “get to know eachother” at BarX but wear a low cut shirt so I can stare while I nod my head pretending to listen.”

      Aside from all the flowery verbals all I’m really doing is:

      1) be awesome

      2) look for window, usually an ioi like asking you about yourself or just a high emotional point where she’s lol’ing

      3) attempt to push directly to my goal by ordering her to meet up with a specific time/place/requirements (path A)

      4) she either accepts and we bone or she tests/rejects

      5) calibrate/joke and diffuse her reason for rejecting it and attempt to push slightly less direct (path B)

      Rinse and repeat until a date is set.


    • YaReally
      on February 7, 2015 at 5:06 pm
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      @Hunter
      If it’s any consolation I know experienced guys who’ve been gaming almost as long as me and good-looking objectively high-value guys who still don’t “believe their worth” (which is what missing windows and overgaming stems from, not believing she could be into you that fast, etc it comes down to entitlement) or only do when they’re in a good state etc so it’s a common sticking point.

      Society conditioned us to think we have no value or negative value and that girls don’t like sex etc so it’s a lot of bullshit wiring to overcome. That’s why you see a lot of high-value dudes with average/ugly girlfriends or 6-pack dudes taking fatties home at last call. Subconsciously they don’t believe better girls would want them so they miss windows and don’t take the convo anywhere with those girls but do with the average/ugly girls because they feel entitled to them.

      It’s not that you don’t think you deserve these tinder 5s but that the notion of ANY girl being into you so fast is a mindfuck for your brain at this stage lol


  • walawala
    on February 6, 2015 at 7:55 pm
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    @Hunter

    Great opener. But the problem here is it’s just banter, it’s not going anywhere.

    Me: What’s cookin good lookin
    Her: Nada mucho (emoticon) what about you?
    Me: Was just thinkin you look like trouble. You would be the cause of much debauchery :)
    Her: I love trouble! I’m down for mischief !!!
    Me: Whoa slow down girls ;) you can’t just jump right into doing dirty deeds.

    SO FAR SO GOOD…now…

    THIS: What you up to right now?

    This is where you kind of fucked up. You’re chit-chatting. It goes no where….this is your pivot point.

    Next time try this:

    Me: Well, if you promise to behave let’s go for that cocktail/coffee/whatever activity you chose

    She will then figure this out…and either accept or not.

    Here’s how I closed I closed a Tinder girl I was gaming. She was sending sexy selfies, then pulling back, then on then off…but was constantly responding.

    I’ll pick it up where I closed:

    Me: drinks tonite

    Her: Yeah but not with me (SHIT TEST)

    Me: you’re assuming a lot (PASSED)

    Her: wh tym u ready? (IN MY FRAME, SHE GETS IT)

    Her: anyway too rush today (CHICK FLAKE)

    Me: Free after 7pm or Thursday (ME CONTINUING, IGNORING HER NUTTINESS)

    Her: Already got booked by fds (FLAKE)

    Me: k (DONT CARE

    Her: I’ll book u for nxt Tue night (TRYING TO LEAD)

    Me: Am away on business all next week. (ME REFRAMING)

    Me: I can book you for Sunday (ME ASSUMING THE LEAD USING HER LANGUAGE)

    Her: ok sun evening (IT”S ON)

    LOGISTICS

    Move it forward somehow. Also, if the girl is chatting but flaking, drop it for a while. Re-open after a few days or wait for her to re-open.

    IF you get no where…move on.


    • YaReally
      on February 7, 2015 at 5:11 pm
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      @wala
      Beautiful txt plow. I clapped as I read it. Most guys would never make it thru that gauntlet of shit-tests she threw at you. @Hunter this is what it looks like when you feel entitled. Like not word for word but the attitude of “I’m giving you a check for $1 mill, don’t be silly of COURSE you want it”



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JayMan
on February 4, 2015 at 2:47 pm
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You praise science a lot. What about when its findings aren’t necessarily what fits into your story?

In this particular study, self-report is a problem (as with all sex studies), but the bigger one is the question of what other variables might correlate with the ones they chose to look at?


  • King A
    on February 4, 2015 at 8:00 pm
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    Wisdom trumps all. The scientific method applies only to reproducible results and controlled experimentation.

    Knowledge is acquired in many ways beyond experiment, namely experience, deduction, induction, instinct, dialectic, ritual, faith, and fiat. A priori, a posteriori. Its judicious application is called wisdom.

    In this sad era of Geek Chic we worship the experimental method as a god. The validity of the science is no part of the usual over-interpreted, Ripped From The Headlines, amateur analyses we are used to relying upon.

    The job of the nerd-priest class is “divining” the data and translating it into CNN news-ticker headlines for easy consumption. Therefore every few years red wine is good for you, then it’s bad for you. Check your fiber, watch your fat intake, cut out the carbs, avoid gluten. These are pagan totems à la the apocryphal Chesterton paraphrase: “When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing. They believe in anything.” It’s a big confusing world, people need behavior signposts. Whether those guidelines are false — or even just more complicated than the findings seem to indicate — is irrelevant.

    The study of the sources of knowledge — or how you know what you know — is called epistemology. If you have never seriously studied why you think what you think, you are very likely to borrow from the spirit of the age. Our zeitgeist has designated scientism as not just the default method to knowledge, but the only legitimate method. Hence the celebrity of the village atheists we endure today like never before in intellectual history (most egregiously in Pope Dawkins, the erstwhile bug researcher who makes risible universal declarations about the nature of existence). Let’s just say these retarded data-hoarders could stand a basic course in epistemology.

    Game and “realtalk” remain occult because their epistemologists are not ready for prime time. To kill the enemy gods you must be ready to present a substitute pantheon for the everyman to instantly adopt. If your new idol has feet of clay, it won’t withstand scrutiny and the conservative instinct will take over. “Meh, what’s so bad about statism and feminism after all? Sure they’re silly, but far as I’ve seen my whole life, they work just fine.”

    It’s sad that so much rapier wordplay and rapist wit, so much subversive observation, so much solid game theory are presented on such shoddy foundations. Its practitioners can be ignored with impunity.

    Matt


    • YaReally
      on February 5, 2015 at 8:26 pm
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      @Spirit

      Lol’d hard @ bag of sand. Way better than the response I was going to write about KingA hiring LARPers to defend his kingdom…who needs experience when you have imagination, faith, and blowhard bullying to back up your condescending armchair lectures lol



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on February 3, 2015 at 2:25 am
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The latest exchange with the 27 year old I’m banging went like this….she flaked, I disappeared, soft-next, instilled dread. She texted late night that she was missing me. Girl beta supplication ok, so I set up a second date and then it went like this after I’d texted to confirm something.

Her: yea you mentioned that ( What a smart-ass little bitch comment)

Me: just seeing if you’re paying attention. you passed.

Her: winky face icon then: “I rmb the details”

Me: We’ll see


  • Lumpy
    on February 3, 2015 at 2:57 am
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    I’m curious, how do you make the date happen with “we’ll see”? I presume put plans out, while assuming the sale has already happened from a frame perspective?

    I’ve been trying to meet this cute 21-yo off tinder. We’ve been texting on whatsapp, sending voice messages and pics back and forth for days. She invited me to meet for a sec when out with her friends. I flaked on that. Then we set up another thing, but she flaked on me, but I expected that so I was out at a museum lol. She apologized for the flake and said she’d be game to meet tuesday (today).

    I’ve put in a ton of work cuz she looks like a hotter/younger version of an ex that fucked me up a bit.

    I messed up yesterday and sent her like 3 texts in a row that were pretty gay/tender, and not emotionally polarizing. Whatsapp told me she saw them, so like 2 hours after I tried some chick crack. She bit instantly.

    ~8PM

    Me: I hate you just a little bit.
    Her: Hahaha why you hate me?
    Me: You’re too nice
    Me: I want a girl that’s a little evil
    Her: Hahahhaha [ed: fuck you, respond to me]
    Me: [In spanish] I bet you’re already getting ready for bed.
    Her: [In spanish] Hahha no, I’m on my way home
    Me: [In spanish] Come here instead. You work hard. You need hugs
    Her: I was in university, will you visit me in my university tomorrow?
    Me: We’ll see…

    Gameplan is, “your lucky day. let’s do blah good logistics blah at 4pm” and she’ll say “no but…” and we can go from there.


    • YaReally
      on February 3, 2015 at 8:20 pm
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      “When she wants you to invest something, you must make her invest something too. For example, walawala suggested a muffin and coffee.”

      See Mystery Method “hoop theory” for more on this. He breaks it all down in detail.



Lumpy
on February 3, 2015 at 3:26 am
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@YaReally and co

After reading your post on shit testing with your brilliant-as-fuck text responses I ran into a testy girl on tinder. So I dropped one of your lines. And then another. And then the building caught on fire. :D What’s a good way to de-escalate/switch topics if you know continuing to stomp shit tests will make her drop more that will blow you out at some point?

This girl’s an 22-yo 8 ballerina. Really fucking hot but not the hottest of her group of friends looking at the pics.

Me: You look like trouble embarrassed monkey emoticon

Next day:
Me: You’re just scared I’m a better dancer than you

Next day:
Her: hahaha sorry just saw this
Her: Hell yeah, you look terrific
Me: Shhht ;) Do you have whatsapp
Her: Yes
Her: [In spanish] But I won’t give it
30 min
Me: Pffft please, you were convinced the second you saw my pics. ;) [ed: my main pic is me hugging a llama lol]
90 min
Her: haha em no
20 min
Me: I don’t know if you’re worth convincing yet…
Me: I haven’t seen you in a little black dress. Why are your pics all boring? Are you a nun? lol
3 hours
Her: that sounded soooo stupid
Her Omg considering the pictures that you’ve got its even more ridiculous
Her: idk yet why I liked you
Her: Probably a mistake

30 min
[ed: This seemed like a good time to de-escalate the shit testing but I had no idea how to do it without losing her attention. So pour more gas on the fire and see what happens!]

Me: Because we would make beautiful babies
Me: If I use all my charm on you now I won’t have any left to get you in bed later
Her: wtf, yeah because you are not charming at all.. please delete the match, byee wave emoticon, punch emoticon

lol

In other news, those shit test responses are money. I’ll take the frame from them and reword them but they work pretty good verbatim too lol! “Why are your pics all boring? Are you a nun? lol” got me laid off tinder with one of the hottest girls I’ve had in year or two. I’ll post that up in a bit. :P I have a few more text game questions but I’m finding the right convos to illustrate them.


  • YaReally
    on February 3, 2015 at 12:38 pm
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    @Lumpy
    Too much sticking to a script. Forcing the square peg in the round hole. You’re basically throwing lines at her instead of building them into the convo with a natural context so it comes off too disjointed/random.

    Like I wouldn’t do:

    Her: idk yet why I liked you
    Her: Probably a mistake

    Me: Because we would make beautiful babies
    Me: If I use all my charm on you now I won’t have any left to get you in bed later

    The first line flows okay but there’s no context for that second line. You have to either adapt the line or not use it, or coax the right context out. So I might do something like this:

    Her: idk yet why I liked you
    Her: Probably a mistake

    Me: you were probably drunk. Drinking while you Tinder will make me seem way more charming. (some teasing and self-depreciation)

    Her: lol you’re not charming

    Me: I’m holding back…if I use all my charm on you now I won’t have any left to get you into bed later

    So I still end up using that line but I’ve guided the flow of the river of conversation toward a situation where that line is contextually relevant and clever rather than disjointed and coming off as a pre-canned routine/line.

    Make sense? Don’t look for holes to cram the square peg into and cram it into round ones…just guide the convo toward holes and if they’re round coax and massage them into shape for that square peg.

    Or shave the corners off the square peg. Example of shaving corners and changing the line to adapt to the conversations context.

    Her: you’re not that smart
    Me: I’m holding back…if I blow you away with my intellect now I won’t have anything left to impress you with to get you into bed later.

    Both of these come off more natural and improvised than what you were doing but it’s only because I’m creating the right situation to use them. From her perspective though I come off as smooth and witty and effortlessly passing her shit-tests.

    It’s kind of like faking someone out to create an opening for an uppercut vs trying to just swing uppercuts at them while they’re guarding.



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YaReally
on February 2nd, 2015 at 7:48 pm
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“Far more common however is the AMOG who is unassuming, affable, and honestly a guy you probably can’t help but like. In fact this likability is his primary appeal. Obvious Alpha superiority combined with even a marginal humility makes for an irresistible AMOG to women.”

Ya, this is why I don’t get punched. Most of the guys I AMOG *LIKE* me because I’m not doing it in the in-your-face frat-bro way people picture in their heads. Most of the time I’m doing it completely under the radar around the guy (like through the girl herself or her friends), or doing it in a way directly to him where he doesn’t realize I have him qualifying himself to me just enough to seem 1% cooler to the girls than him and then hypergamy takes over from there. A lot of the time it’s just nudging the conversation in a certain direction and letting him hang himself.

You don’t have to destroy a guy, you just have to come off 1% cooler than him to the girls. Get him to qualify or react 1% more to you and then sit back and let it unfold.

Most AMOGs, just like Naturals, have blind spots that are easy to spot when you’ve been sarging a lot and know what to look for. And there are lots of commonalities like a guy wearing a suit is clearly concerned with appearances so that tells you what area you can probably nudge him to qualify himself in (“man, that’s a slick suit. You’re makin’ me feel underdressed here lol no wonder these girls love you.” It’s all compliments but generally it’s going to get the guy to lol and be a bit embarrassed at the attention and/or want to act humble and pretend it’s no big deal so he doesn’t come off try-hard, and while he’s going through those emotions I can just switch to his girls indirect with “Girls, do I need a suit? What about a shave, this beard is getting crazy. Oh, you like beards do you? What’s your name?”). This guy isn’t going to punch me because all I’ve really done is come in and compliment him and tell him his suit is awesome. Hell, often he ends up offering me a drink lol…But I know where he’s likely to freeze up momentarily and allow me a chance to make my moves before his brain has caught up because I’m executing a very purposeful plan so I’m already a few more steps ahead before he catches up and he has to react to me.

Think of it like the pickpocket magician that taps your shoulder so you don’t notice him taking off your watch, or who knows you’re going to follow his empty hand while the ball is actually in his other hand, etc. Very few people are going to, the first time they see those tricks, be sharp enough to stay ahead of them. And similarly very few guys are going to be socially warmed up and sharp enough, on the fly during a cold-approach from a random dude who sweeps in, to drop an instant cocky/funny “it’s not the suit, it’s my huge cock.” in response to “no wonder these girls love you”. Like, I’ve had that happen ONCE and I was like shit, bravo dude lol

Also a lot of the time these guys are actually cool and their AMOG shit just frustrated you more when you started out because you didn’t know how to handle them, but once you “get it” you can end up legitimately respecting eachother and becoming friends.

The original in-your-face “nice shirt, bro I had one like that in high-school” PUA AMOG stuff was mainly for dealing with the really aggressive AMOGs. Like it’s last call and you’re walking out of a nightclub with a cold-approached 9 who’s into you but she wants a hot dog and you’re stuck at the hot dog stand beside the club surrounded by drunk aggressive dudes who are in “survival of the fittest” mode approaching her trying to take her from you and you have to survive that shitstorm, including her actively engaging them, for like 10-20 minutes before you can finally get her out of there. On top of that, back in those old days you were probably wearing a fuzzy hat and black nailpolish so you were PRIME for getting picked on for looking retarded lol

Search for “amog” in my archive for more detailed shit about the dynamics/nuances.

Just come off 1% cooler than the guys around you and hypergamy will do the rest.


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YaReally
on February 2nd, 2015 at 7:48 pm
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“Far more common however is the AMOG who is unassuming, affable, and honestly a guy you probably can’t help but like. In fact this likability is his primary appeal. Obvious Alpha superiority combined with even a marginal humility makes for an irresistible AMOG to women.”

Ya, this is why I don’t get punched. Most of the guys I AMOG *LIKE* me because I’m not doing it in the in-your-face frat-bro way people picture in their heads. Most of the time I’m doing it completely under the radar around the guy (like through the girl herself or her friends), or doing it in a way directly to him where he doesn’t realize I have him qualifying himself to me just enough to seem 1% cooler to the girls than him and then hypergamy takes over from there. A lot of the time it’s just nudging the conversation in a certain direction and letting him hang himself.

You don’t have to destroy a guy, you just have to come off 1% cooler than him to the girls. Get him to qualify or react 1% more to you and then sit back and let it unfold.

Most AMOGs, just like Naturals, have blind spots that are easy to spot when you’ve been sarging a lot and know what to look for. And there are lots of commonalities like a guy wearing a suit is clearly concerned with appearances so that tells you what area you can probably nudge him to qualify himself in (“man, that’s a slick suit. You’re makin’ me feel underdressed here lol no wonder these girls love you.” It’s all compliments but generally it’s going to get the guy to lol and be a bit embarrassed at the attention and/or want to act humble and pretend it’s no big deal so he doesn’t come off try-hard, and while he’s going through those emotions I can just switch to his girls indirect with “Girls, do I need a suit? What about a shave, this beard is getting crazy. Oh, you like beards do you? What’s your name?”). This guy isn’t going to punch me because all I’ve really done is come in and compliment him and tell him his suit is awesome. Hell, often he ends up offering me a drink lol…But I know where he’s likely to freeze up momentarily and allow me a chance to make my moves before his brain has caught up because I’m executing a very purposeful plan so I’m already a few more steps ahead before he catches up and he has to react to me.

Think of it like the pickpocket magician that taps your shoulder so you don’t notice him taking off your watch, or who knows you’re going to follow his empty hand while the ball is actually in his other hand, etc. Very few people are going to, the first time they see those tricks, be sharp enough to stay ahead of them. And similarly very few guys are going to be socially warmed up and sharp enough, on the fly during a cold-approach from a random dude who sweeps in, to drop an instant cocky/funny “it’s not the suit, it’s my huge cock.” in response to “no wonder these girls love you”. Like, I’ve had that happen ONCE and I was like shit, bravo dude lol

Also a lot of the time these guys are actually cool and their AMOG shit just frustrated you more when you started out because you didn’t know how to handle them, but once you “get it” you can end up legitimately respecting eachother and becoming friends.

The original in-your-face “nice shirt, bro I had one like that in high-school” PUA AMOG stuff was mainly for dealing with the really aggressive AMOGs. Like it’s last call and you’re walking out of a nightclub with a cold-approached 9 who’s into you but she wants a hot dog and you’re stuck at the hot dog stand beside the club surrounded by drunk aggressive dudes who are in “survival of the fittest” mode approaching her trying to take her from you and you have to survive that shitstorm, including her actively engaging them, for like 10-20 minutes before you can finally get her out of there. On top of that, back in those old days you were probably wearing a fuzzy hat and black nailpolish so you were PRIME for getting picked on for looking retarded lol

Search for “amog” in my archive for more detailed shit about the dynamics/nuances.

Just come off 1% cooler than the guys around you and hypergamy will do the rest.


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YaReally
on February 3rd, 2015 at 2:02 pm
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Ok I’ll be the asshole since I get the impression no one else is going to call this out:

@steve h
@447

Good god the mental masturbation. Try not to slip on your jizz, guys.

Anyone who thinks the BF Destroyer stuff doesn’t work is someone who either doesn’t go out or has just never tried it extensively. It’s killer. Lethal shit.

This nonsense?:

“Don’t get me wrong, that M.O. will work on chicks with weak boyfriends/husbands just fine – but if an aspiring PUA operates that way with a gf/wife of an alpha who just basically shrugs and/or regards the poacher as a creepy pursuer, it’ll backfire.”

“If somebody tries to poach “your” woman/women right before your eyes/in your face, you stop that. (Baring a situation where you definitly know it would get you in trouble with the law/CCTV etc.)”

Did either of you even read “Papa”s post? It’s not about directly AMOGing a guy it’s about going thru his girl and not dealing with him at all. That’s why it’s so powerful, it reframes everything the guy does in an unattractive light in the girl’s mind. It doesn’t matter what he does, her perception is realigned to view it as chode. The shrugging “ok” is twisted into an indicator that he’s too weak to actively protect his woman etc. The BF Destroyers are about poisoning the well.

It’s all explained in depth that post you didn’t read.

“Even if the aspiring PUA is just trying to poach in a new environment, for a ONS, with no ties to the contextual milieu – he’ll sabotage himself for probably the rest of the night.”

This is not how it works at ALL in real life. This is fantasy made up by guys who are scared of imaginary worst-case scenarios and who want to reaffirm to themselves that their way that isn’t producing results is the “righteous” way. Trying to get good at pickup while staying away from any girls with boyfriends or in mixed sets or with orbiters is like trying to become a rich CEO without making anyone directly or indirectly sad or butthurt or jealous on your way up lol

Have either of you cold approached mixed sets before? Have either of you spent a few months TRYING a the shit “Papa” wrote about before declaring your silly fantasies about what will happen if a guy tries it? Have either of you pulled girls from mixed sets or girls with boyfriends/husbands/orbiters before? Have either of you “won” girls when other guys are going for them too?

Have either of you fucked anything above a 6? The hot girls have AMOGs around them in their social circles, that’s just reality.

This shit is why I call the manosphere PUA-Lite. It’s the same shit PUAs have taught since the beginning but with all the “mean” stuff (which is only “mean” in the way a girl thinks guys shit-talking over sports is “mean” or a white knight thinks teasing a girl is “mean”) neutered to hold onto white knight sensibilities so as not to offend anyone. Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Here’s a frame to consider: when you ACTUALLY have abundance and so does the other guy, neither of you CARES if the other guy poaches the girl. You lol and go “shit good game” and can even become friends over the mutual respect. If someone can take my girl then good on them cause that would take some sick game to pull off…I can get another girl it’s no big deal. If I had been on my game tighter she wouldn’t have been as easy to poach so it’s partly my fault for slacking and giving that guy a window of opportunity. I don’t blame him for trying to fuck her, she’s HOT that’s why I’m with her, I EXPECT half the guys in the room to try to fuck her if they have eyeballs lol. If she gets poached I don’t blame her, she’s running on hypergamy not logic so if buddy found a way to raise his value or lower mine to her then it’s natural that she’ll fuck him and that tells me there’s some hole in my game I need to work on for the future. If one of those guys gets her then I’ll replace her but I’m more curious who this dude who’s at my level of game is, cause maybe he’d make a good wingman to roll with lol

Can either of you relate to that kind of thinking or is it too foreign to you? What you’re writing is viewing it from scarcity like “omg he’s POACHING that girl…he’s BAD! He’s ruining TRUE LOVE!! I would never interfere with TRUE LOVE. If I accept that it’s just a game to other people, the girl included, then I have to question whether TRUE LOVE exists and even tho I’m reading this pickup stuff I’m still secretly hoping to find my unicorn and have TRUE LOVE so when someone talks about taking a girl I’m picturing them taking my unicorn away and that gives me sad feels”

It’s not about “oh I’m in scarcity so I HAVE to go after the girl with the boyfriend.” That’s literally the same silly keyboard jockey circle jerk rationalization that goes on in places like r/relationships/ and HUS to desperately cling to the blue pill and reject the “mean” side of PUA.

It’s about “this is all a big silly game and girls are replaceable and friendly competition is fine, like lions play fighting may the best man win”. Does a basketball player think someone stealing the ball is mean or in scarcity? Lol it’s just a game they can shake hands after even if they lose because it’s a game to them.

You view it as someone weaselly stealing from you because you view the girl as irreplaceable and a significant loss as if this was the last basketball game you’ll ever be allowed to play. That’s scarcity in action.


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YaReally
on February 3rd, 2015 at 2:02 pm
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Ok I’ll be the asshole since I get the impression no one else is going to call this out:

@steve h
@447

Good god the mental masturbation. Try not to slip on your jizz, guys.

Anyone who thinks the BF Destroyer stuff doesn’t work is someone who either doesn’t go out or has just never tried it extensively. It’s killer. Lethal shit.

This nonsense?:

“Don’t get me wrong, that M.O. will work on chicks with weak boyfriends/husbands just fine – but if an aspiring PUA operates that way with a gf/wife of an alpha who just basically shrugs and/or regards the poacher as a creepy pursuer, it’ll backfire.”

“If somebody tries to poach “your” woman/women right before your eyes/in your face, you stop that. (Baring a situation where you definitly know it would get you in trouble with the law/CCTV etc.)”

Did either of you even read “Papa”s post? It’s not about directly AMOGing a guy it’s about going thru his girl and not dealing with him at all. That’s why it’s so powerful, it reframes everything the guy does in an unattractive light in the girl’s mind. It doesn’t matter what he does, her perception is realigned to view it as chode. The shrugging “ok” is twisted into an indicator that he’s too weak to actively protect his woman etc. The BF Destroyers are about poisoning the well.

It’s all explained in depth that post you didn’t read.

“Even if the aspiring PUA is just trying to poach in a new environment, for a ONS, with no ties to the contextual milieu – he’ll sabotage himself for probably the rest of the night.”

This is not how it works at ALL in real life. This is fantasy made up by guys who are scared of imaginary worst-case scenarios and who want to reaffirm to themselves that their way that isn’t producing results is the “righteous” way. Trying to get good at pickup while staying away from any girls with boyfriends or in mixed sets or with orbiters is like trying to become a rich CEO without making anyone directly or indirectly sad or butthurt or jealous on your way up lol

Have either of you cold approached mixed sets before? Have either of you spent a few months TRYING a the shit “Papa” wrote about before declaring your silly fantasies about what will happen if a guy tries it? Have either of you pulled girls from mixed sets or girls with boyfriends/husbands/orbiters before? Have either of you “won” girls when other guys are going for them too?

Have either of you fucked anything above a 6? The hot girls have AMOGs around them in their social circles, that’s just reality.

This shit is why I call the manosphere PUA-Lite. It’s the same shit PUAs have taught since the beginning but with all the “mean” stuff (which is only “mean” in the way a girl thinks guys shit-talking over sports is “mean” or a white knight thinks teasing a girl is “mean”) neutered to hold onto white knight sensibilities so as not to offend anyone. Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Here’s a frame to consider: when you ACTUALLY have abundance and so does the other guy, neither of you CARES if the other guy poaches the girl. You lol and go “shit good game” and can even become friends over the mutual respect. If someone can take my girl then good on them cause that would take some sick game to pull off…I can get another girl it’s no big deal. If I had been on my game tighter she wouldn’t have been as easy to poach so it’s partly my fault for slacking and giving that guy a window of opportunity. I don’t blame him for trying to fuck her, she’s HOT that’s why I’m with her, I EXPECT half the guys in the room to try to fuck her if they have eyeballs lol. If she gets poached I don’t blame her, she’s running on hypergamy not logic so if buddy found a way to raise his value or lower mine to her then it’s natural that she’ll fuck him and that tells me there’s some hole in my game I need to work on for the future. If one of those guys gets her then I’ll replace her but I’m more curious who this dude who’s at my level of game is, cause maybe he’d make a good wingman to roll with lol

Can either of you relate to that kind of thinking or is it too foreign to you? What you’re writing is viewing it from scarcity like “omg he’s POACHING that girl…he’s BAD! He’s ruining TRUE LOVE!! I would never interfere with TRUE LOVE. If I accept that it’s just a game to other people, the girl included, then I have to question whether TRUE LOVE exists and even tho I’m reading this pickup stuff I’m still secretly hoping to find my unicorn and have TRUE LOVE so when someone talks about taking a girl I’m picturing them taking my unicorn away and that gives me sad feels”

It’s not about “oh I’m in scarcity so I HAVE to go after the girl with the boyfriend.” That’s literally the same silly keyboard jockey circle jerk rationalization that goes on in places like r/relationships/ and HUS to desperately cling to the blue pill and reject the “mean” side of PUA.

It’s about “this is all a big silly game and girls are replaceable and friendly competition is fine, like lions play fighting may the best man win”. Does a basketball player think someone stealing the ball is mean or in scarcity? Lol it’s just a game they can shake hands after even if they lose because it’s a game to them.

You view it as someone weaselly stealing from you because you view the girl as irreplaceable and a significant loss as if this was the last basketball game you’ll ever be allowed to play. That’s scarcity in action.


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YaReally
on February 3rd, 2015 at 2:11 pm
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@Rollo
Holy shit that vid was amazing lol will be sending that to a handful of buddies who will know it’s totally about them lol


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YaReally
on February 3rd, 2015 at 2:11 pm
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@Rollo
Holy shit that vid was amazing lol will be sending that to a handful of buddies who will know it’s totally about them lol


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YaReally
on February 3rd, 2015 at 3:13 pm
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@anon
Speak up more, AMOG him “sorry about my buddy he has apparently never seen a girl before lol”, or ditch him and find a single dude in-field who’s on your wavelength. Can’t make people swallow the red pill and he has no reason to change his behaviour because he has a wife and kids. There’s no incentive for him to change what he’s been doing for years.

@rollo
lol ya I caught your “how do I link this without people misinterpreting my point and getting sidetracked or tossing it out like they would with a back to the future example” hesitation in the original article so I know you get it. That’s why I dropped by the comments to expand on it, I don’t mind being the asshole lol

As far as new prospects go, 10+, maybe even 5 years ago I’d agree with that. But now? With the advent of social media and all the insane worldwide validation and orbiting etc that comes with it? And with the spread of pickup and the red pill as men slowly up their game? Finding girls who are hot and legit don’t have any AMOGs chasing them or orbiters to deal with or fuckbuddies to compete with (even if those FBs are just an ex-boyfriend she keeps for emergency cock or an orbiter who’s decent in bed but so intolerably beta that she has to dodge his needy texts for 2 weeks after etc), in 2015, esp in the <30 crowd is like…not UNREALISTIC per say, but like, really optimistic and extremely limiting in terms of how much experience you can gain.

In 2015 it's simply a reality that you have to learn how to deal with other men in the context of getting/keeping women. Whether it's direct competition in a social setting or whether it's indirect competition when your girl posts her bikini pics and gets 500 Likes and comments from dudes and some guy in another country with his BMWs in his profile pics messaging her telling her he wants to fly her and her girlfriend to Paris for a dinner date etc (and he can actually afford to)

In the past that guy had no access to communicate with her or even know she exists. But in 2015 the whole world will try to fuck your girl if she's hot (and even if she's not lol).

You can go the route of the guy who goes to the gym and decides the other guys are in better shape and the girls will want them instead so you ignore all the girls and just exercise and go home to porn and writing blog comments but that's a pretty self-defeating approach to life. Just get in there and mix it up and become good enough to compete without having a 6-pack lol it's entirely doable if you don't let your brain self-sabotage you as it tries to keep you in your comfort zone and protect your ego from possible rejection.

Guys will watch Fight Club and think the line "I don't want to die without any scars" is a great insight to being a man and challenging yourself…then they go to the gym or join a sport and say "oh I dont out-excel these guys yet so I won't bother approaching that 9 over there" and don't see the disconnect as their brain tries to avoid being humbled by field experience to grow.

And yes, those BF Destroyers are a must-read and are applicable outside of the boyfriend context (boardroom, social circles, hell even competing in politics etc). Even if a guy doesn't USE them himself, he should understand them so he can observe them in action in the natural world around him where people are executing them consciously or subconsciously. Like watch a political/ideological debate or marketing campaign or mass media story (like the UVA false rape explosion or gamergste or MRA slander on Jezebel) thru the context of understanding AMOG and BF Destruction concepts and you'll see the matrix underneath it that the average person doesn't see.


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YaReally
on February 3rd, 2015 at 3:13 pm
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@anon
Speak up more, AMOG him “sorry about my buddy he has apparently never seen a girl before lol”, or ditch him and find a single dude in-field who’s on your wavelength. Can’t make people swallow the red pill and he has no reason to change his behaviour because he has a wife and kids. There’s no incentive for him to change what he’s been doing for years.

@rollo
lol ya I caught your “how do I link this without people misinterpreting my point and getting sidetracked or tossing it out like they would with a back to the future example” hesitation in the original article so I know you get it. That’s why I dropped by the comments to expand on it, I don’t mind being the asshole lol

As far as new prospects go, 10+, maybe even 5 years ago I’d agree with that. But now? With the advent of social media and all the insane worldwide validation and orbiting etc that comes with it? And with the spread of pickup and the red pill as men slowly up their game? Finding girls who are hot and legit don’t have any AMOGs chasing them or orbiters to deal with or fuckbuddies to compete with (even if those FBs are just an ex-boyfriend she keeps for emergency cock or an orbiter who’s decent in bed but so intolerably beta that she has to dodge his needy texts for 2 weeks after etc), in 2015, esp in the <30 crowd is like…not UNREALISTIC per say, but like, really optimistic and extremely limiting in terms of how much experience you can gain.

In 2015 it's simply a reality that you have to learn how to deal with other men in the context of getting/keeping women. Whether it's direct competition in a social setting or whether it's indirect competition when your girl posts her bikini pics and gets 500 Likes and comments from dudes and some guy in another country with his BMWs in his profile pics messaging her telling her he wants to fly her and her girlfriend to Paris for a dinner date etc (and he can actually afford to)

In the past that guy had no access to communicate with her or even know she exists. But in 2015 the whole world will try to fuck your girl if she's hot (and even if she's not lol).

You can go the route of the guy who goes to the gym and decides the other guys are in better shape and the girls will want them instead so you ignore all the girls and just exercise and go home to porn and writing blog comments but that's a pretty self-defeating approach to life. Just get in there and mix it up and become good enough to compete without having a 6-pack lol it's entirely doable if you don't let your brain self-sabotage you as it tries to keep you in your comfort zone and protect your ego from possible rejection.

Guys will watch Fight Club and think the line "I don't want to die without any scars" is a great insight to being a man and challenging yourself…then they go to the gym or join a sport and say "oh I dont out-excel these guys yet so I won't bother approaching that 9 over there" and don't see the disconnect as their brain tries to avoid being humbled by field experience to grow.

And yes, those BF Destroyers are a must-read and are applicable outside of the boyfriend context (boardroom, social circles, hell even competing in politics etc). Even if a guy doesn't USE them himself, he should understand them so he can observe them in action in the natural world around him where people are executing them consciously or subconsciously. Like watch a political/ideological debate or marketing campaign or mass media story (like the UVA false rape explosion or gamergste or MRA slander on Jezebel) thru the context of understanding AMOG and BF Destruction concepts and you'll see the matrix underneath it that the average person doesn't see.


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YaReally
on February 3rd, 2015 at 3:39 pm
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@Jeremy
“about being upset at getting your girl(SO or even wife) poached from you. Only a scarcity mindset gets upset at being poached, just as you said. The correct mindset is to simply congratulate the “poacher” and regard a woman who may be violating a commitment to you as not worth your commitment. Again I acknowledge the position of weakness from which I argue on this point.”

This is dead-on.

Why would you be with a girl no one else wants to fuck? What’s next get a hot girl but tell her to dress frumpy when you go out to protect your scarce prize? I tell my girls to doll up and make the guys in the room jealous cause I’m proud of her and like to show her off. Of course they’ll all try to fuck her whether they’re the creepy old store clerk trying to make small talk about the weather or the guy cat-calling her on the street or the cool bartender giving her free drinks or the orbiter on her Facebook trying to private message woo her or the player in her social circle who’s had his eye on her or her ex-BF who wants her back or the sneaky PUA trying to poison the well.

Of COURSE they all wanna fuck her lol

But if they succeed then that just tells me:

1) my game wasn’t tight. I let my value slip somewhere enough for there to be an opening. If I was the highest value guy (and that doesn’t mean owning more BMWs or being better at a sport or lifting heavier weights, it means internally believing 100% to my core that I am by default even at my worst better than all of those guys that have all of those things), then she wouldn’t be poachable. Hyprgamy plus “what you feel, she feels” will prevent it.

2) she’s made a bad life decision to choose to be downgraded from girlfriend/LTR to fuckbuddy. I feel bad for her that she would choose that but that’s okay because I have a couple other FBs who would LOVE to take her place and I can find more if I need to. She may be able to get back into my graces but it will be a lot of work and I may decide she isn’t worth allowing to be in that position in my life.

3) that guy has game. And he’s just doing what any man instinctively does: try to fuck a pretty girl. I can’t blame him lol plus he’s exposed a weakness in my game/value for me to fix. If I want to keep her then I’d better stay higher value than him in her eyes. The BF Destroyer is about making everything I do seem like I’m doing (even stuff that was formerly right action like the “ok” shrug) is coming from a place of low value so it’s extremely hard to defend against…but it’s so rare for a guy to study it (guaranteed half the people reading this blog about this exact topic didn’t bother reading it and won’t go out and apply it until they master it) that it’s not really a concern to me.

I didn’t read the other thread but what you wrote right here (Jeremy) is accurate. But guys who aren’t out there slaying it won’t be able to relate to these mindsets. They’re still picturing a happy ending with the mythical unicorn in their head.

And when they find that unicorn, because they’ve clung to the belief that the right one will be “special” and ignored all the warnings by red pill guys with experience to keep gaming their LTR and keep running dread game etc, because they’ll go “that’s all MEEEEAN. Maybe you have to do that with that low value bar sluts but MY girl is different. You guys just don’t understand…MY girl Is special.”

And that exact thinking is what will lead to those guys slacking off on staying as attractive as possible to stay at the top of her Hypergamy’s radar because they were never trying to MAKE IT just fake it and they’re relieved they can finally hang up the red pill cape n cowl and relax.

…and that’s the exact moment their girl meets a guy like me and fucks me. Because that guy left a hole wide open (lol) for other guys to capitalize on. All cause he wouldn’t let go of his fingertip grasp on the blue pill and dismissed that BF Destroyers link with silly fantasies of how it’ll explode in the person’s evil face for being MEEEEEAN instead of reading and applying it to understand it’s relevance.


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“about being upset at getting your girl(SO or even wife) poached from you. Only a scarcity mindset gets upset at being poached, just as you said. The correct mindset is to simply congratulate the “poacher” and regard a woman who may be violating a commitment to you as not worth your commitment. Again I acknowledge the position of weakness from which I argue on this point.”

This is dead-on.

Why would you be with a girl no one else wants to fuck? What’s next get a hot girl but tell her to dress frumpy when you go out to protect your scarce prize? I tell my girls to doll up and make the guys in the room jealous cause I’m proud of her and like to show her off. Of course they’ll all try to fuck her whether they’re the creepy old store clerk trying to make small talk about the weather or the guy cat-calling her on the street or the cool bartender giving her free drinks or the orbiter on her Facebook trying to private message woo her or the player in her social circle who’s had his eye on her or her ex-BF who wants her back or the sneaky PUA trying to poison the well.

Of COURSE they all wanna fuck her lol

But if they succeed then that just tells me:

1) my game wasn’t tight. I let my value slip somewhere enough for there to be an opening. If I was the highest value guy (and that doesn’t mean owning more BMWs or being better at a sport or lifting heavier weights, it means internally believing 100% to my core that I am by default even at my worst better than all of those guys that have all of those things), then she wouldn’t be poachable. Hyprgamy plus “what you feel, she feels” will prevent it.

2) she’s made a bad life decision to choose to be downgraded from girlfriend/LTR to fuckbuddy. I feel bad for her that she would choose that but that’s okay because I have a couple other FBs who would LOVE to take her place and I can find more if I need to. She may be able to get back into my graces but it will be a lot of work and I may decide she isn’t worth allowing to be in that position in my life.

3) that guy has game. And he’s just doing what any man instinctively does: try to fuck a pretty girl. I can’t blame him lol plus he’s exposed a weakness in my game/value for me to fix. If I want to keep her then I’d better stay higher value than him in her eyes. The BF Destroyer is about making everything I do seem like I’m doing (even stuff that was formerly right action like the “ok” shrug) is coming from a place of low value so it’s extremely hard to defend against…but it’s so rare for a guy to study it (guaranteed half the people reading this blog about this exact topic didn’t bother reading it and won’t go out and apply it until they master it) that it’s not really a concern to me.

I didn’t read the other thread but what you wrote right here (Jeremy) is accurate. But guys who aren’t out there slaying it won’t be able to relate to these mindsets. They’re still picturing a happy ending with the mythical unicorn in their head.

And when they find that unicorn, because they’ve clung to the belief that the right one will be “special” and ignored all the warnings by red pill guys with experience to keep gaming their LTR and keep running dread game etc, because they’ll go “that’s all MEEEEAN. Maybe you have to do that with that low value bar sluts but MY girl is different. You guys just don’t understand…MY girl Is special.”

And that exact thinking is what will lead to those guys slacking off on staying as attractive as possible to stay at the top of her Hypergamy’s radar because they were never trying to MAKE IT just fake it and they’re relieved they can finally hang up the red pill cape n cowl and relax.

…and that’s the exact moment their girl meets a guy like me and fucks me. Because that guy left a hole wide open (lol) for other guys to capitalize on. All cause he wouldn’t let go of his fingertip grasp on the blue pill and dismissed that BF Destroyers link with silly fantasies of how it’ll explode in the person’s evil face for being MEEEEEAN instead of reading and applying it to understand it’s relevance.


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Ya I’m glad the manosphere and /TRP/ exist. I’m glad there’s a “pua-lite” because realistically pua is too over the top for most guys to be open to let alone get into and ultimately even if 80% of dudes only get 40% of the message that’s better than them getting 0% of the message. Like that married dude with kids needs something digestible to fix his life and in the end I just want all guys to be able to fix their shit and live the life they want.

But when these manosphere convos turn to balls to the wall in-field legit pickup tactics and they shit on the old school PUA stuff then in comes YaReally to bitchslap some sense into the hugbox before it becomes a circle jerk of keyboard jockey theory backing up keyboard jockey theory lol

If you go study those BF Destroyers and spend 6 months actively applying them in-field in a variety of situations and master them and THEN tell me they don’t work, then ok let’s discuss why we got different results and figure out where the disconnect is etc. but if you don’t even read them, let alone apply them? You’re talking out your ass and I will call you on it.

In the old days we didn’t even let people post routines and theories until they had successfully tested them at LEAST 3x in-field. And when someone posted theories we all went out and tested the fuck out of them and compared results to narrow down the nuances.

We did all that because we knew keyboard jockeys were going to come in spouting their theories they imagine in their heads of how shit would play out and that 90% of that would be obliterated with actual in-field experience.

So I’m glad other groups are getting this knowledge out there repackaged into more digestible spoon-fed meals, because ultimately it helps men as a whole, but when it comes to real-world tactics a lot of the community is talking out their ass and should be called out for it to avoid perpetuating bullshit myths that hold back men who may give their word authority lol

Again this isn’t dircted at Rollo, I know he knows his shit and stays objective lol


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Ya I’m glad the manosphere and /TRP/ exist. I’m glad there’s a “pua-lite” because realistically pua is too over the top for most guys to be open to let alone get into and ultimately even if 80% of dudes only get 40% of the message that’s better than them getting 0% of the message. Like that married dude with kids needs something digestible to fix his life and in the end I just want all guys to be able to fix their shit and live the life they want.

But when these manosphere convos turn to balls to the wall in-field legit pickup tactics and they shit on the old school PUA stuff then in comes YaReally to bitchslap some sense into the hugbox before it becomes a circle jerk of keyboard jockey theory backing up keyboard jockey theory lol

If you go study those BF Destroyers and spend 6 months actively applying them in-field in a variety of situations and master them and THEN tell me they don’t work, then ok let’s discuss why we got different results and figure out where the disconnect is etc. but if you don’t even read them, let alone apply them? You’re talking out your ass and I will call you on it.

In the old days we didn’t even let people post routines and theories until they had successfully tested them at LEAST 3x in-field. And when someone posted theories we all went out and tested the fuck out of them and compared results to narrow down the nuances.

We did all that because we knew keyboard jockeys were going to come in spouting their theories they imagine in their heads of how shit would play out and that 90% of that would be obliterated with actual in-field experience.

So I’m glad other groups are getting this knowledge out there repackaged into more digestible spoon-fed meals, because ultimately it helps men as a whole, but when it comes to real-world tactics a lot of the community is talking out their ass and should be called out for it to avoid perpetuating bullshit myths that hold back men who may give their word authority lol

Again this isn’t dircted at Rollo, I know he knows his shit and stays objective lol


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“Personally, I agree that it’s typically bad form. And I wouldn’t run it at all on a women who had kids with her SO, or who had said marriage vows. I recognize this may come off as naive. I know precious few women truly take them seriously. But I don’t like to interfere with others’ religious convictions, so long as they don’t interfere with mine.”

Ya. It may come as a surprise to people who read what I wrote here because it’s SO easy to paint people saying things that make you uncomfortable as villains so of course I seem like a ruthless asshole who’s trying to break up families left and right and shit so that my words can be dismissed easier instead of considering the harsh reality-fucking truths they contain.

But I have my own code of girls and relationships I don’t interfere with. Hell, I dropped a long term fuckbuddy entirely, one I liked a lot (still my fav lay to this day) because she was getting married (to her high school sweetheart) and wanted to try to be a good wife as of their wedding day not fucking around on him and she stopped initiating txt with me a month before the wedding. I could have EASILY kept that going but I respect what she was trying to do and backed off completely and legitimately hope their relationship works out. She never texted me again and I never texted her.

In a way I was the safest last bang before her wedding. If she had been fucking some other guy he might try to fuck their relationship up post-wedding. But I have the abundance to back off.

I’m also not interested in breaking up families so if a girl wants to bang and is probably going to cheat with someone else if it’s not me, and I know she has a hubby and kids happy family style I’ll just be super aloof and make sure she doesn’t get attached to me or think I would ever replace her hubby (whereas a lot of normal dudes would promise her the world and she might divorce her hubby and break the family up then find out the guy doesn’t want her).

I also don’t take girls from chodey betas at the bar, I usually try to help them get the girl they have a crush on lol cause I remmeber what being them was like. And definitely would never bang a buddy’s girl.

I use most of this knowledge as self defence or to help buddies out. You can use the BF Destroyer concepts to poison the well for orbiters and sneaky guys too. Exact same way.

So I HAVE a personal moral code, it’s just unique to me and my belief systems and most guys who haven’t been out a lot and experienced a lot of what someone who’s doing pickup regularly experiences won’t be able to relate to it and will disagree with parts of it so I don’t bother to talk about it much.


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“Personally, I agree that it’s typically bad form. And I wouldn’t run it at all on a women who had kids with her SO, or who had said marriage vows. I recognize this may come off as naive. I know precious few women truly take them seriously. But I don’t like to interfere with others’ religious convictions, so long as they don’t interfere with mine.”

Ya. It may come as a surprise to people who read what I wrote here because it’s SO easy to paint people saying things that make you uncomfortable as villains so of course I seem like a ruthless asshole who’s trying to break up families left and right and shit so that my words can be dismissed easier instead of considering the harsh reality-fucking truths they contain.

But I have my own code of girls and relationships I don’t interfere with. Hell, I dropped a long term fuckbuddy entirely, one I liked a lot (still my fav lay to this day) because she was getting married (to her high school sweetheart) and wanted to try to be a good wife as of their wedding day not fucking around on him and she stopped initiating txt with me a month before the wedding. I could have EASILY kept that going but I respect what she was trying to do and backed off completely and legitimately hope their relationship works out. She never texted me again and I never texted her.

In a way I was the safest last bang before her wedding. If she had been fucking some other guy he might try to fuck their relationship up post-wedding. But I have the abundance to back off.

I’m also not interested in breaking up families so if a girl wants to bang and is probably going to cheat with someone else if it’s not me, and I know she has a hubby and kids happy family style I’ll just be super aloof and make sure she doesn’t get attached to me or think I would ever replace her hubby (whereas a lot of normal dudes would promise her the world and she might divorce her hubby and break the family up then find out the guy doesn’t want her).

I also don’t take girls from chodey betas at the bar, I usually try to help them get the girl they have a crush on lol cause I remmeber what being them was like. And definitely would never bang a buddy’s girl.

I use most of this knowledge as self defence or to help buddies out. You can use the BF Destroyer concepts to poison the well for orbiters and sneaky guys too. Exact same way.

So I HAVE a personal moral code, it’s just unique to me and my belief systems and most guys who haven’t been out a lot and experienced a lot of what someone who’s doing pickup regularly experiences won’t be able to relate to it and will disagree with parts of it so I don’t bother to talk about it much.


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@forgetthesky
“YaReally, your points about how social media has blown women’s options wide open is well-taken”

I go out in-field regularly and I’m hitting on the <25 crowd (I'm early 30s) so this just comes from observation. These girls show me their texts and tinder conversations and I pick their brain for their perspectives and because I'm non-judgemental about sex they tell me stuff they don't tell anyone else like casual hookups and mistakes or fantasies or previous experiences with relationships etc. and I pick their brains for why they think they do these things or how they felt etc. and they trust me because I don't judge them even if I disagree with them so I'm safe.

Older guys with experience obviously have wisdom worth listening to, but society is changing and you have to be going out in-field macking these girls to see it and anticipate changes so you can adapt that wisdom (and add new ideas to it based on what you observe first-hand or dismiss old ideas that are no longer relevant) or else you'll always be a few years behind them.

My fav example of this is txting new girls. Old wisdom was ignore her texts and respond really slow and leave hours or days between responses etc. but that was when txting was new and girls only woke up to 5 texts. Now they wake up to 30 texts 200 Likes 100 Instagram Likes, 500 retweets, orbiters and Facebook messages etc etc etc…if she texts you, RESPOND and capitalize on that and take it as far as you can, cause that's your 5 minute window for the week that she's going to notice your txt if you haven't fucked her yet.

But guys who don't know what a hot 23yos phone looks like with notifications blinking left and right is going to run the old style and get lost in the herd and think "what a bitch" lol

No replacement for field experience. Field is king.

And now it's work time lol this was fun keep up the good work Rollo


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“YaReally, your points about how social media has blown women’s options wide open is well-taken”

I go out in-field regularly and I’m hitting on the <25 crowd (I'm early 30s) so this just comes from observation. These girls show me their texts and tinder conversations and I pick their brain for their perspectives and because I'm non-judgemental about sex they tell me stuff they don't tell anyone else like casual hookups and mistakes or fantasies or previous experiences with relationships etc. and I pick their brains for why they think they do these things or how they felt etc. and they trust me because I don't judge them even if I disagree with them so I'm safe.

Older guys with experience obviously have wisdom worth listening to, but society is changing and you have to be going out in-field macking these girls to see it and anticipate changes so you can adapt that wisdom (and add new ideas to it based on what you observe first-hand or dismiss old ideas that are no longer relevant) or else you'll always be a few years behind them.

My fav example of this is txting new girls. Old wisdom was ignore her texts and respond really slow and leave hours or days between responses etc. but that was when txting was new and girls only woke up to 5 texts. Now they wake up to 30 texts 200 Likes 100 Instagram Likes, 500 retweets, orbiters and Facebook messages etc etc etc…if she texts you, RESPOND and capitalize on that and take it as far as you can, cause that's your 5 minute window for the week that she's going to notice your txt if you haven't fucked her yet.

But guys who don't know what a hot 23yos phone looks like with notifications blinking left and right is going to run the old style and get lost in the herd and think "what a bitch" lol

No replacement for field experience. Field is king.

And now it's work time lol this was fun keep up the good work Rollo


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The answer to all my questions asked to myself is “yes”. I’ve been doing this a long time and I actually go try shit out in-field regularly instead of talking out my ass.

All you’re doing is playing the “I’m above that boorish behaviour” card the same way a white knight is above that “teasing girls” thing because he doesn’t understand it and he’s determined to stay brainwashed by not trying to understand it. That’s why you wrote a bunch of snark instead of addressing anything I’ve written (there’s plenty of points for you to choose from) so we can discuss it rationally with field experience backing up our points.

And now you’re trying to appeal to authority by bringing Rollo in thinking he’s going to interpret “someone talking to your girl” in the same insecure cartoon-character stereotype visual that you picture in your head where a snivelling hunched over creeper in a fuzzy hat lurks out of the shadows spouting lines like an insect.

All that tells me is that 1) you don’t go out enough to have met and befriended cool alpha AMOGs, and 2) you missed the ENTIRE point of Rollos article about how done right this shit doesn’t look like a blatant cartoon stereotype, it just looks like a cool likeable dude being friendly and spreading value.

Your follow-up has just reinforced exactly why your original point needed to be called out as keyboard jockey theory. Nothing personal, I don’t know or care who you are. All I care about is that what you espouse as truths align with what guys who have massive field experience see and your original post doesn’t. Go out more and bring more solid shit to the table and I’ll be happy to endorse what you write. All I care about is accurate information being taught to men looking for help.


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The answer to all my questions asked to myself is “yes”. I’ve been doing this a long time and I actually go try shit out in-field regularly instead of talking out my ass.

All you’re doing is playing the “I’m above that boorish behaviour” card the same way a white knight is above that “teasing girls” thing because he doesn’t understand it and he’s determined to stay brainwashed by not trying to understand it. That’s why you wrote a bunch of snark instead of addressing anything I’ve written (there’s plenty of points for you to choose from) so we can discuss it rationally with field experience backing up our points.

And now you’re trying to appeal to authority by bringing Rollo in thinking he’s going to interpret “someone talking to your girl” in the same insecure cartoon-character stereotype visual that you picture in your head where a snivelling hunched over creeper in a fuzzy hat lurks out of the shadows spouting lines like an insect.

All that tells me is that 1) you don’t go out enough to have met and befriended cool alpha AMOGs, and 2) you missed the ENTIRE point of Rollos article about how done right this shit doesn’t look like a blatant cartoon stereotype, it just looks like a cool likeable dude being friendly and spreading value.

Your follow-up has just reinforced exactly why your original point needed to be called out as keyboard jockey theory. Nothing personal, I don’t know or care who you are. All I care about is that what you espouse as truths align with what guys who have massive field experience see and your original post doesn’t. Go out more and bring more solid shit to the table and I’ll be happy to endorse what you write. All I care about is accurate information being taught to men looking for help.


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@Rollo
“@Steve, heheh, if she went off with YaReally, she deserves everything she gets.”

No one deserves ghonnaherpasyphalitis AIDS, Rollo.

“Check that, appreciate your answer. I think that mentality is exactly right.”

This is literally the exact mentality I’ve been describing. You’re agreeing with his tone because it SOUNDS like he’s insulting me but really you’re agreeing with everything I’ve written too lol

This right here:

“@Steve, heheh, if she went off with YaReally, she deserves everything she gets. I’d tell her thanks for revealing her true colors.

I’d regard him like every other man I know today – I expect them to do their worst, and I expect myself to do the best. If a woman (especially one I’ve been married to for almost 19 years) is that susceptible to that influence, I’m better off for knowing it.”

…is exactly what abundance mentality is. This is what the guys who know their value think and what I’ve been describing. This is why Rollo has kept his wife for so long. If his job didn’t involve being around cool social AMOG type dudes and hot girls, like if he worked in a quiet library or something, he might not do so well and his blog might have a lot of theory bullshit in it. But he’s in a position to observe this stuff in action, that’s why his blog aligns with what us guys who go out a lot experience.

@Steve h
“something I wrote struck a nerve, prompting the long-winded written attack on me.”

What struck a nerve is that you’re writing shit that doesn’t make sense with real-world experience, and that wrong shit you’re promoting will fuck guys up who are trying to learn how this all actually works and I know Rollo can’t bitch-slap you and other guys don’t necessarily have the experience to explain why you’re spouting nonsense. So I’m calling it out, in-depth, to explain why it’s wrong so that guys aren’t misled by your writing.

“We have no way of knowing if half the stuff you’ve written about your own experiences is true, and I doubt it is”

I don’t even care if you believe me. I’m not spouting theories and hoping everyone gives them a thumbs-up and getting butthurt if people disagree. I’m just reporting facts from the field. I don’t have any emotional investment in it.

Hell, I don’t WANT you to believe me. I want you to all go out regularly and try to apply those BF Destroyers and see what happens and learn. But most of you aren’t going to, and that’s fine as long as when you write about what will happen when guys try them aligns with what actually happens when we try them. If it doesn’t align then I’ll call you out as theorizing.

Nobody thought you could do HALF the shit PUAs have found out you can do by pushing the envelope and ignoring armchair theory to test actual results. There was a time where “cocky/funny” was controversial because a bunch of armchair theorists bullshat that if you were too cocky a girl wouldn’t be into you and you actually have to just mirror her body language and release your pheromones etc.

The thing guys like you don’t get is that pickup isn’t about “come up with a theory and go try to find evidence that it’s true”. We all WISH the world worked like the blue pill fantasy where you can just be a Nice Guy and the girl will be Special and it’ll all work out.

But then we went out in-field, thousands of us, day in and day out trying random shit out and comparing results and notes and looking for patterns until we simply found the consistent principles that WORK. Not that are “good”, not that we WANT to work, not that are politically correct or can’t be used to do bad things…all we did was find out what WORKS.

Now I don’t even care if you DON’T go out. You could sit in the back of a dusty library all day and blog about game just imagining it in your head, as long as what you’re saying aligns with what the guys who go out a lot have found from massive field experience. As long as what you’re saying aligns with reality, I’m cool with it and will support you.

On the flip side even if you go out 365 days a year, if what you say doesn’t align with the experiences of the rest of the community of thousands of dudes going out doing this, then either you’re lying about going out that much or you’re going out and not pushing yourself or thoroughly testing this stuff because if you were you would come to the same conclusions as the rest of us.

PUA is not THEORY. It’s backwards-engineered results-based observation. You’re saying “I think the earth is flat” and I’m saying “2 + 2 = 4″. I’m not emotionally invested in what I’m reporting because it’s simply fact. If you want to believe 3 + 2 = 4, that’s fine, your calculations will come out wrong, and I don’t even care about your calculations…but the point where I DO care and where I’ll step in like I did here is when you’re saying 3 + 2 = 4 and someone else is backing you up and no one is questioning you, ’cause that’s going to fuck up other guys who give your word too much authority and start approaching their calculations thinking 3 + 2 = 4 and it’s going to fuck them up.

“If you had financial abundance, then buying (at min.) 8s and 9s would be as easy as ordering a pizza.”

lol wut? What even IS this? Where did this come from? I don’t have financial abundance and even if I did I wouldn’t be using it to buy callgirls. If all I wanted was sex there are a lot easier ways to get it than cold-approach pickup lol Hell, cold-approach pickup is like the LEAST efficient way to get laid. We do it for the challenge and the knowledge…you’ll learn a shitload more about game cold-approaching a 9 in a mixed set, whether you get her or not, than you will from banging a 6 in your social circle who has a crush on you.

“Create financial abundance, and these things reveal themselves to be ridiculous wastes of time.”

I’d tell you about the rich dudes who’s wives/GFs cheat on them all the time for guys like me, but you can just go out yourself and see it in action.

That’s how anyone who doubts what I say can verify if I’m full of shit or not. I’ve said it to feminists and game-denialists and HUS Sue etc. If you want to see if I’m full of shit, be a dude and go out and actively apply this shit 3-5x a week 3-6 hours a night/day for like 5+ years. You’ll come to the same conclusions the rest of us who go out a lot do, because we’re not spouting theory, we’re just chipping away at the marble until the statue of truth inside it is revealed.

If we had found out that standing on your head will consistently increase your success, we would be teaching guys how to do head-stands.

@Rollo
“I work with guys like him, I see guys like him at every promo, product launch or gaming/cocktail event I front, and I understand the dynamics working under the technique.”

Yup. The thing is this:

Guys like Rollo know guys like me. And guys like me know guys like Rollo.

Guys like Rollo KNOW that guys like me know guys like him. And guys like me KNOW that guys like Rollo know guys like us.

Guys like Rollo know what guys like me think of him. And guys like me know what guys like Rollo think of us.

It’s all respect all around with us, because although we’re at different points/paths in our lives and have different value/belief systems that may or may not change through our lives, we’re all fully aware of the world around us and are far and above the general population of men in terms of achieving our goals and succeeding in life.

If Rollo wrote what Steve wrote, I would call him out on his shit not aligning with field experience…but Rollo generally DOESN’T write shit that doesn’t align. Because Rollo actually has experience and isn’t emotionally invested in theories, he’s objective and reports how shit is and it’s what the rest of us who go out a lot have found. So I don’t have to call him out. At most I just have to explain some details about specific PUA tech to add clarification for the comment section.

“He’s 100% right, and that’s what bothers most guys – they see the effectiveness of what he does and who women reliably respond to it, and it conflicts with the blue pill wish that it didn’t work so predictably.”

Yup. This is why I call it clutching to the blue pill by the fingertips. They’re fully on board with red pill except for that oooooonnnneeeee last fantasy of living happily ever after being able to stop putting in effort or gaming their wife. They can finally relax, whew!!! …but guys like Rollo know you don’t get to stop being the best you can be. If you do, then your girl may stray. You can’t control her, but as long as you own your shit and fully believe you’re the best option for her, “what you feel, she feels” and Hypergamy keep her from straying.

“I’ve done much of the same things, and I’m a keen observer of the behavior and social interaction, but I don’t have the same firsthand infield experience they do now. That said, neither do they have the firsthand experience of having been married for 18 years or that of being a father for 16.”

That’s why I don’t give out advice on making long-term marriage work or being a good father. ;) You older guys are the experts at that shit and anything I advise about those subjects comes from reading your guys’ writing.

I don’t sit here going “look man, lemme tell ya how to raise a 16yo kid”. If I DID, then as long as what I was saying aligned with your experiences I’m sure you’d be cool with it…but the second I stray into “wtf that’s not how it works, or how any of the guys I know who’ve raised kids have found it works either” territory you would rightly call me out on my bullshit keyboard jockey theorizing.

“Guys like Athol Kay and other ‘dating coaches’ don’t don’t even approach the breadth of my past and present experience. That’s just a statement of fact.”

That’s why you drop such good wisdom. Plus your promotional stuff puts you around the scene so you get to see a lot more than other guys married with a kid at your age.

Now you might not be as privy to the detailed nuances of what a 23yo girl’s phone looks like on a Saturday night at 3am specifically in 2015, but that’s okay, us younger guys that approach those girls right now are here to fill in those gaps and help link it all together and report on how shit has changed and make sure the universal principles are all still aligning consistently. :) If I decide to settle down down the road, the first thing I’ll be doing is reading everything you’ve ever written about your marriage, MMSL, etc. to learn from the guys who know their shit in that department.

@christie
If you’re actually a chick and not just a dude trolling (pretty sure you are, but I don’t care because I love having a chance to link these videos lol), then The Wall is going to be a rough ride when you pass 30. It’s legitimately sad to me that things work like that, women are just fucked by society and thrown off the ledge.

Here are two videos for you to watch (Rollo you might want to check them out for your own kid if she’s hitting “party” age soon. The first vid covers a lot of men’s issues about purpose and not making women your purpose etc. but mixed throughout it he talks about girls who’ve just fucked their lives up beyond belief with their bad decisions and how girls will meet guys who are just trying to fuck them and will happily feed them shit like drugs and alcohol and promises to fuck them and then discard them…the second vid is a personal favorite and specifically for women):

The saddest part is that these vids will never be posted on a site like Jezebel with girls actually listening to Tyler’s warnings.

@Jeremy
You’re dead-on again. PUA is a special little niche. We’re basically the frontline. Not everyone wants to be in the frontline. They can benefit from the information we pass to them from the frontline, but the guy sitting in a desk in the back of an office theorizing how people should respond when they’re shot at simply isn’t on the frontline with bullets whizzing past his face and his buddies beside him seeing first-hand how people ACTUALLY respond.

Reality > Theory

If you’re not on the frontline, that’s not a judgement of your worth as a human, that’s just saying that if you say stuff that doesn’t align with what we’re experiencing then you’re going to get called out on it.

“It comes when you try to consider why so many guys would rather go MGTOW than PUA.”

I have a lot of theories on this one (I watch lots of MGTOW stuff). I actually respect MGTOWs for making an adamant choice. I may not agree with their choice but they’ve decided what’s important to them and what their value system is and I can respect that THEY made the choice rather than letting society make the choice for them (like the guy who’s socially pressured into marrying a chubby girlfriend).

But I also think MGTOWs have the same view of PUA that a guy like Steve has where it’s “this offends my sensibilities so I’m not even going to engage it!!” Part of that is PUA’s marketing etc. where it just seems sleazy, and a lot of bad PUAs are easy to spot (you can only really notice the BAD pickup, the good pickup just looks like cool guys getting laid and being social lol).

Either way their view of PUA seems to be that 1) a lot of it is faking who you are and supplicating to women, 2) too much to consume, too many tactics, concepts, routines, ideas, training, etc. which just results in seeing it as 3) too much work for not a good enough reward.

And I can totally understand that, I don’t fault them. Because I know they’re smart and have just been handed bad information about what PUA is. I have no doubt that a lot of MGTOWs, if they could be properly taught how simple PUA *CAN* be and how their MGTOW lives would look exactly the same except instead of callgirls they could invest in a simple half hour conversation with a girl and have a free regular fuckbuddy to bang and just keep her at an emotional distance and cut her off if she tries to bring any drama, and live exactly like they want to.

But when PUA is presented to them the way it is, it seems like too much hassle and too much pussy-begging. Then there are the more hardcore guys who are just done with interacting with women in general, whether they’ve been burned or not, but they’re just like it’s not worth even chancing that a girl at work is going to get pissed off or some girl you date will cry false rape etc. and give them a wide berth entirely and I can understand that too.

Really if MGTOW, TRP, Manosphere, MRA, and PUA all sat down and quit shitting on eachother, we’d all find out that a lot of our beliefs and attitudes overlap.

“Where is the influence that’s causing that decision in such large numbers coming from? I would argue that it comes from a combination of deeply, culturally instilled forms of male honor, many of which the FI arguably put there; Combined with knowing the truth that women just don’t play by that set of books anymore. When you know that your “opponent” in the game isn’t playing by the same rulebook as you, but you still believe that your rulebook is the correct rulebook”

Ya, this is what I mean. Like as PUAs we learn “dude, throw out the rulebook that was all bullshit, but here are the tools to understand and prosper with the REAL rulebook”. But I think a lot of MGTOWs watched their rulebook burn up and decided either they didn’t want to invest the time/effort to learn the new rulebook because the game wasn’t worth winning anymore (women don’t bring as much to the table now and are legal risks etc.), or they decided playing by another rulebook doesn’t feel right to them because a lot of their values and judgement of themselves is based on their rulebook and they want to stick to that even if it means not interacting with women as much. Like it’s not worth re-evaluating their beliefs/values.

If I’m some dude who’s watched his buddies’ GFs cheat on them and I got burned in a divorce and can’t see my kids and read about the UVA false rape case etc., I might be like “fuck all this shit” too and go full MGTOW lol

My life day to day looks a lot like MGTOW except that I replace jogging or playing xbox with going out and talking to girls and banging them. But I stick to fuckbuddies and casual sex, no commitment, I cut girls out if they bring me drama, I don’t spend money on them, etc.

“To me, this means that even though red pill men say “I don’t want to be a PUA,”… really they should still have all of the basic techniques and experience that a PUA might have. That does not mean they have to be regularly cold-approaching HB9s in a group and pulling them, but it means they *should* be regarding PUA as a toolset as important as carrying around a wallet and keys.”

This. Exactly. The analogy about people conning you out of money is exactly it. You should understand how to punch someone even if you never do it or only do it in self-defense, because other people may take a swing at you one day and you should understand the dynamics of what’s going on in that.

“I’ve said those same words myself, “But I don’t want to be a PUA,” a number of times to people”

PUA is a dirty word these days lol We just don’t care though. We know we’re the bottom scum of society to everyone, but we don’t care what people think because what we’re doing is important and we know most people could never wrap their heads around how NOT-scumbag what we do is because they just don’t have the reference experiences in life to relate to it. The same way you could never go on Oprah and say you choke women in bed, the audience will light you on fire, but that audience will go line up to watch 50 Shades of Grey. We don’t bother trying to get people to accept us anymore and it actually benefits us for people to disregard us because no one pays attention to what we’re talking about and we’re more free to spout truths without censoring it lol

“You can’t hold onto past mindsets simply due to your age bracket, religion, or economic situation and rationalize beta behavior now that you’ve taken the red pill. You can’t water-down the truths of what the PUA’s tell you out of a sense of honor. That’s the fastest way to poison your ability to deal with women into something their sexual-duality desires, and not what you need.”

Yup. Can’t be half a gangster. Like Tyler Durden says in Fight Club: “Stop trying to control everything and just let go.” Accept that everything you were taught was a lie and start from a blank slate with no preconceptions.

@Not born this morning
“Their real needs (desires) are never filled because there are too few men willing to fill those real needs (desires). The 6s believe (and they are usually correct) they can get away with bitch shield 9 behavior because so many men will succumb today. They are getting away with acting like they are more valuable than they actually are because men tolerate it. Too many men are letting women walk all over them. Women are just playing the game to their best optimal advantage, using the best opportunities available. There is nothing wrong with this. We all naturally do this.”

This.

“Here’s how bad things are. An 8 guy who thinks he has to settle for a 6 girl to feel secure is conceding to the whole FI thing. This is because the guy devalues himself and is insecure in general. If he is an 8 settling for a 6, then he is litterally lowering himself to the level of 6. He lacks confidence in his 8 ism and this devalues him to the level of 6. He litterally transforms himself and defines himself as a 6 by doing this. If you roll in shit, you will look like shit and you will smell like shit. He is reinforcing his insecurity, limiting his potential and succumbing to a fear of girls higher than 6. He is stifelling himself and missing opportunities. He short changes and cheats himself before he even makes a play. He should be increasing his caliber instead of lowering his sights. Consider how you compare yourself and others to potential mates. Everyone does this, especially when we are in the prime of it. Everything is on a relative scale. You can go up or down the scale….and the direction is your choice entirely.”

THIS.

@ianironwood
“when you are the one setting your own victory conditions, the role of the AMOG is utterly relative. The AMOG is nothing more than a piece of the landscape which you may choose to exploit as leverage toward your own – self determined – goal”

This. A big part of my game is just de-valuing what society says is valuable. Why do girls go for moody passionate starving artist types? Because those guys don’t value money and working in a suit, they value creativity not working for the man…because they 100% believe it to their core, girls around them fall into “what you feel, she feels” and they feel like those things have no value either. So the BMW guy in a suit walks into a hipster cafe and everyone scoffs at him even though objectively the BMW guy has high value by society’s value system. And to those girls he is lower value than the penniless hipster artist because they’re subscribed to that system where the victory conditions are different from the BMW guy’s victory conditions, so by that hipster value system that artist bum is triggering her Hypergamy.

So I don’t walk into that gym or join that sport and think I’m inadequate compared to the guys who are further ahead in it than me. In my mind I’m still higher-value than them overall. So I’ll approach their hot girls and legitimately believe I have a shot with them. And “what you feel, she feels”.


The Art of AMOG

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YaReally
on February 3rd, 2015 at 8:39 pm
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Work break time!

@Rollo
“@Steve, heheh, if she went off with YaReally, she deserves everything she gets.”

No one deserves ghonnaherpasyphalitis AIDS, Rollo.

“Check that, appreciate your answer. I think that mentality is exactly right.”

This is literally the exact mentality I’ve been describing. You’re agreeing with his tone because it SOUNDS like he’s insulting me but really you’re agreeing with everything I’ve written too lol

This right here:

“@Steve, heheh, if she went off with YaReally, she deserves everything she gets. I’d tell her thanks for revealing her true colors.

I’d regard him like every other man I know today – I expect them to do their worst, and I expect myself to do the best. If a woman (especially one I’ve been married to for almost 19 years) is that susceptible to that influence, I’m better off for knowing it.”

…is exactly what abundance mentality is. This is what the guys who know their value think and what I’ve been describing. This is why Rollo has kept his wife for so long. If his job didn’t involve being around cool social AMOG type dudes and hot girls, like if he worked in a quiet library or something, he might not do so well and his blog might have a lot of theory bullshit in it. But he’s in a position to observe this stuff in action, that’s why his blog aligns with what us guys who go out a lot experience.

@Steve h
“something I wrote struck a nerve, prompting the long-winded written attack on me.”

What struck a nerve is that you’re writing shit that doesn’t make sense with real-world experience, and that wrong shit you’re promoting will fuck guys up who are trying to learn how this all actually works and I know Rollo can’t bitch-slap you and other guys don’t necessarily have the experience to explain why you’re spouting nonsense. So I’m calling it out, in-depth, to explain why it’s wrong so that guys aren’t misled by your writing.

“We have no way of knowing if half the stuff you’ve written about your own experiences is true, and I doubt it is”

I don’t even care if you believe me. I’m not spouting theories and hoping everyone gives them a thumbs-up and getting butthurt if people disagree. I’m just reporting facts from the field. I don’t have any emotional investment in it.

Hell, I don’t WANT you to believe me. I want you to all go out regularly and try to apply those BF Destroyers and see what happens and learn. But most of you aren’t going to, and that’s fine as long as when you write about what will happen when guys try them aligns with what actually happens when we try them. If it doesn’t align then I’ll call you out as theorizing.

Nobody thought you could do HALF the shit PUAs have found out you can do by pushing the envelope and ignoring armchair theory to test actual results. There was a time where “cocky/funny” was controversial because a bunch of armchair theorists bullshat that if you were too cocky a girl wouldn’t be into you and you actually have to just mirror her body language and release your pheromones etc.

The thing guys like you don’t get is that pickup isn’t about “come up with a theory and go try to find evidence that it’s true”. We all WISH the world worked like the blue pill fantasy where you can just be a Nice Guy and the girl will be Special and it’ll all work out.

But then we went out in-field, thousands of us, day in and day out trying random shit out and comparing results and notes and looking for patterns until we simply found the consistent principles that WORK. Not that are “good”, not that we WANT to work, not that are politically correct or can’t be used to do bad things…all we did was find out what WORKS.

Now I don’t even care if you DON’T go out. You could sit in the back of a dusty library all day and blog about game just imagining it in your head, as long as what you’re saying aligns with what the guys who go out a lot have found from massive field experience. As long as what you’re saying aligns with reality, I’m cool with it and will support you.

On the flip side even if you go out 365 days a year, if what you say doesn’t align with the experiences of the rest of the community of thousands of dudes going out doing this, then either you’re lying about going out that much or you’re going out and not pushing yourself or thoroughly testing this stuff because if you were you would come to the same conclusions as the rest of us.

PUA is not THEORY. It’s backwards-engineered results-based observation. You’re saying “I think the earth is flat” and I’m saying “2 + 2 = 4”. I’m not emotionally invested in what I’m reporting because it’s simply fact. If you want to believe 3 + 2 = 4, that’s fine, your calculations will come out wrong, and I don’t even care about your calculations…but the point where I DO care and where I’ll step in like I did here is when you’re saying 3 + 2 = 4 and someone else is backing you up and no one is questioning you, ’cause that’s going to fuck up other guys who give your word too much authority and start approaching their calculations thinking 3 + 2 = 4 and it’s going to fuck them up.

“If you had financial abundance, then buying (at min.) 8s and 9s would be as easy as ordering a pizza.”

lol wut? What even IS this? Where did this come from? I don’t have financial abundance and even if I did I wouldn’t be using it to buy callgirls. If all I wanted was sex there are a lot easier ways to get it than cold-approach pickup lol Hell, cold-approach pickup is like the LEAST efficient way to get laid. We do it for the challenge and the knowledge…you’ll learn a shitload more about game cold-approaching a 9 in a mixed set, whether you get her or not, than you will from banging a 6 in your social circle who has a crush on you.

“Create financial abundance, and these things reveal themselves to be ridiculous wastes of time.”

I’d tell you about the rich dudes who’s wives/GFs cheat on them all the time for guys like me, but you can just go out yourself and see it in action.

That’s how anyone who doubts what I say can verify if I’m full of shit or not. I’ve said it to feminists and game-denialists and HUS Sue etc. If you want to see if I’m full of shit, be a dude and go out and actively apply this shit 3-5x a week 3-6 hours a night/day for like 5+ years. You’ll come to the same conclusions the rest of us who go out a lot do, because we’re not spouting theory, we’re just chipping away at the marble until the statue of truth inside it is revealed.

If we had found out that standing on your head will consistently increase your success, we would be teaching guys how to do head-stands.

@Rollo
“I work with guys like him, I see guys like him at every promo, product launch or gaming/cocktail event I front, and I understand the dynamics working under the technique.”

Yup. The thing is this:

Guys like Rollo know guys like me. And guys like me know guys like Rollo.

Guys like Rollo KNOW that guys like me know guys like him. And guys like me KNOW that guys like Rollo know guys like us.

Guys like Rollo know what guys like me think of him. And guys like me know what guys like Rollo think of us.

It’s all respect all around with us, because although we’re at different points/paths in our lives and have different value/belief systems that may or may not change through our lives, we’re all fully aware of the world around us and are far and above the general population of men in terms of achieving our goals and succeeding in life.

If Rollo wrote what Steve wrote, I would call him out on his shit not aligning with field experience…but Rollo generally DOESN’T write shit that doesn’t align. Because Rollo actually has experience and isn’t emotionally invested in theories, he’s objective and reports how shit is and it’s what the rest of us who go out a lot have found. So I don’t have to call him out. At most I just have to explain some details about specific PUA tech to add clarification for the comment section.

“He’s 100% right, and that’s what bothers most guys – they see the effectiveness of what he does and who women reliably respond to it, and it conflicts with the blue pill wish that it didn’t work so predictably.”

Yup. This is why I call it clutching to the blue pill by the fingertips. They’re fully on board with red pill except for that oooooonnnneeeee last fantasy of living happily ever after being able to stop putting in effort or gaming their wife. They can finally relax, whew!!! …but guys like Rollo know you don’t get to stop being the best you can be. If you do, then your girl may stray. You can’t control her, but as long as you own your shit and fully believe you’re the best option for her, “what you feel, she feels” and Hypergamy keep her from straying.

“I’ve done much of the same things, and I’m a keen observer of the behavior and social interaction, but I don’t have the same firsthand infield experience they do now. That said, neither do they have the firsthand experience of having been married for 18 years or that of being a father for 16.”

That’s why I don’t give out advice on making long-term marriage work or being a good father. 😉 You older guys are the experts at that shit and anything I advise about those subjects comes from reading your guys’ writing.

I don’t sit here going “look man, lemme tell ya how to raise a 16yo kid”. If I DID, then as long as what I was saying aligned with your experiences I’m sure you’d be cool with it…but the second I stray into “wtf that’s not how it works, or how any of the guys I know who’ve raised kids have found it works either” territory you would rightly call me out on my bullshit keyboard jockey theorizing.

“Guys like Athol Kay and other ‘dating coaches’ don’t don’t even approach the breadth of my past and present experience. That’s just a statement of fact.”

That’s why you drop such good wisdom. Plus your promotional stuff puts you around the scene so you get to see a lot more than other guys married with a kid at your age.

Now you might not be as privy to the detailed nuances of what a 23yo girl’s phone looks like on a Saturday night at 3am specifically in 2015, but that’s okay, us younger guys that approach those girls right now are here to fill in those gaps and help link it all together and report on how shit has changed and make sure the universal principles are all still aligning consistently. 🙂 If I decide to settle down down the road, the first thing I’ll be doing is reading everything you’ve ever written about your marriage, MMSL, etc. to learn from the guys who know their shit in that department.

@christie
If you’re actually a chick and not just a dude trolling (pretty sure you are, but I don’t care because I love having a chance to link these videos lol), then The Wall is going to be a rough ride when you pass 30. It’s legitimately sad to me that things work like that, women are just fucked by society and thrown off the ledge.

Here are two videos for you to watch (Rollo you might want to check them out for your own kid if she’s hitting “party” age soon. The first vid covers a lot of men’s issues about purpose and not making women your purpose etc. but mixed throughout it he talks about girls who’ve just fucked their lives up beyond belief with their bad decisions and how girls will meet guys who are just trying to fuck them and will happily feed them shit like drugs and alcohol and promises to fuck them and then discard them…the second vid is a personal favorite and specifically for women):

The saddest part is that these vids will never be posted on a site like Jezebel with girls actually listening to Tyler’s warnings.

@Jeremy
You’re dead-on again. PUA is a special little niche. We’re basically the frontline. Not everyone wants to be in the frontline. They can benefit from the information we pass to them from the frontline, but the guy sitting in a desk in the back of an office theorizing how people should respond when they’re shot at simply isn’t on the frontline with bullets whizzing past his face and his buddies beside him seeing first-hand how people ACTUALLY respond.

Reality > Theory

If you’re not on the frontline, that’s not a judgement of your worth as a human, that’s just saying that if you say stuff that doesn’t align with what we’re experiencing then you’re going to get called out on it.

“It comes when you try to consider why so many guys would rather go MGTOW than PUA.”

I have a lot of theories on this one (I watch lots of MGTOW stuff). I actually respect MGTOWs for making an adamant choice. I may not agree with their choice but they’ve decided what’s important to them and what their value system is and I can respect that THEY made the choice rather than letting society make the choice for them (like the guy who’s socially pressured into marrying a chubby girlfriend).

But I also think MGTOWs have the same view of PUA that a guy like Steve has where it’s “this offends my sensibilities so I’m not even going to engage it!!” Part of that is PUA’s marketing etc. where it just seems sleazy, and a lot of bad PUAs are easy to spot (you can only really notice the BAD pickup, the good pickup just looks like cool guys getting laid and being social lol).

Either way their view of PUA seems to be that 1) a lot of it is faking who you are and supplicating to women, 2) too much to consume, too many tactics, concepts, routines, ideas, training, etc. which just results in seeing it as 3) too much work for not a good enough reward.

And I can totally understand that, I don’t fault them. Because I know they’re smart and have just been handed bad information about what PUA is. I have no doubt that a lot of MGTOWs, if they could be properly taught how simple PUA *CAN* be and how their MGTOW lives would look exactly the same except instead of callgirls they could invest in a simple half hour conversation with a girl and have a free regular fuckbuddy to bang and just keep her at an emotional distance and cut her off if she tries to bring any drama, and live exactly like they want to.

But when PUA is presented to them the way it is, it seems like too much hassle and too much pussy-begging. Then there are the more hardcore guys who are just done with interacting with women in general, whether they’ve been burned or not, but they’re just like it’s not worth even chancing that a girl at work is going to get pissed off or some girl you date will cry false rape etc. and give them a wide berth entirely and I can understand that too.

Really if MGTOW, TRP, Manosphere, MRA, and PUA all sat down and quit shitting on eachother, we’d all find out that a lot of our beliefs and attitudes overlap.

“Where is the influence that’s causing that decision in such large numbers coming from? I would argue that it comes from a combination of deeply, culturally instilled forms of male honor, many of which the FI arguably put there; Combined with knowing the truth that women just don’t play by that set of books anymore. When you know that your “opponent” in the game isn’t playing by the same rulebook as you, but you still believe that your rulebook is the correct rulebook”

Ya, this is what I mean. Like as PUAs we learn “dude, throw out the rulebook that was all bullshit, but here are the tools to understand and prosper with the REAL rulebook”. But I think a lot of MGTOWs watched their rulebook burn up and decided either they didn’t want to invest the time/effort to learn the new rulebook because the game wasn’t worth winning anymore (women don’t bring as much to the table now and are legal risks etc.), or they decided playing by another rulebook doesn’t feel right to them because a lot of their values and judgement of themselves is based on their rulebook and they want to stick to that even if it means not interacting with women as much. Like it’s not worth re-evaluating their beliefs/values.

If I’m some dude who’s watched his buddies’ GFs cheat on them and I got burned in a divorce and can’t see my kids and read about the UVA false rape case etc., I might be like “fuck all this shit” too and go full MGTOW lol

My life day to day looks a lot like MGTOW except that I replace jogging or playing xbox with going out and talking to girls and banging them. But I stick to fuckbuddies and casual sex, no commitment, I cut girls out if they bring me drama, I don’t spend money on them, etc.

“To me, this means that even though red pill men say “I don’t want to be a PUA,”… really they should still have all of the basic techniques and experience that a PUA might have. That does not mean they have to be regularly cold-approaching HB9s in a group and pulling them, but it means they *should* be regarding PUA as a toolset as important as carrying around a wallet and keys.”

This. Exactly. The analogy about people conning you out of money is exactly it. You should understand how to punch someone even if you never do it or only do it in self-defense, because other people may take a swing at you one day and you should understand the dynamics of what’s going on in that.

“I’ve said those same words myself, “But I don’t want to be a PUA,” a number of times to people”

PUA is a dirty word these days lol We just don’t care though. We know we’re the bottom scum of society to everyone, but we don’t care what people think because what we’re doing is important and we know most people could never wrap their heads around how NOT-scumbag what we do is because they just don’t have the reference experiences in life to relate to it. The same way you could never go on Oprah and say you choke women in bed, the audience will light you on fire, but that audience will go line up to watch 50 Shades of Grey. We don’t bother trying to get people to accept us anymore and it actually benefits us for people to disregard us because no one pays attention to what we’re talking about and we’re more free to spout truths without censoring it lol

“You can’t hold onto past mindsets simply due to your age bracket, religion, or economic situation and rationalize beta behavior now that you’ve taken the red pill. You can’t water-down the truths of what the PUA’s tell you out of a sense of honor. That’s the fastest way to poison your ability to deal with women into something their sexual-duality desires, and not what you need.”

Yup. Can’t be half a gangster. Like Tyler Durden says in Fight Club: “Stop trying to control everything and just let go.” Accept that everything you were taught was a lie and start from a blank slate with no preconceptions.

@Not born this morning
“Their real needs (desires) are never filled because there are too few men willing to fill those real needs (desires). The 6s believe (and they are usually correct) they can get away with bitch shield 9 behavior because so many men will succumb today. They are getting away with acting like they are more valuable than they actually are because men tolerate it. Too many men are letting women walk all over them. Women are just playing the game to their best optimal advantage, using the best opportunities available. There is nothing wrong with this. We all naturally do this.”

This.

“Here’s how bad things are. An 8 guy who thinks he has to settle for a 6 girl to feel secure is conceding to the whole FI thing. This is because the guy devalues himself and is insecure in general. If he is an 8 settling for a 6, then he is litterally lowering himself to the level of 6. He lacks confidence in his 8 ism and this devalues him to the level of 6. He litterally transforms himself and defines himself as a 6 by doing this. If you roll in shit, you will look like shit and you will smell like shit. He is reinforcing his insecurity, limiting his potential and succumbing to a fear of girls higher than 6. He is stifelling himself and missing opportunities. He short changes and cheats himself before he even makes a play. He should be increasing his caliber instead of lowering his sights. Consider how you compare yourself and others to potential mates. Everyone does this, especially when we are in the prime of it. Everything is on a relative scale. You can go up or down the scale….and the direction is your choice entirely.”

THIS.

@ianironwood
“when you are the one setting your own victory conditions, the role of the AMOG is utterly relative. The AMOG is nothing more than a piece of the landscape which you may choose to exploit as leverage toward your own – self determined – goal”

This. A big part of my game is just de-valuing what society says is valuable. Why do girls go for moody passionate starving artist types? Because those guys don’t value money and working in a suit, they value creativity not working for the man…because they 100% believe it to their core, girls around them fall into “what you feel, she feels” and they feel like those things have no value either. So the BMW guy in a suit walks into a hipster cafe and everyone scoffs at him even though objectively the BMW guy has high value by society’s value system. And to those girls he is lower value than the penniless hipster artist because they’re subscribed to that system where the victory conditions are different from the BMW guy’s victory conditions, so by that hipster value system that artist bum is triggering her Hypergamy.

So I don’t walk into that gym or join that sport and think I’m inadequate compared to the guys who are further ahead in it than me. In my mind I’m still higher-value than them overall. So I’ll approach their hot girls and legitimately believe I have a shot with them. And “what you feel, she feels”.


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@forgetthesky
“acceptance of the world as we find it is the essence of the red pill, even if some of our info turns out to need modification with new data.”

Like the kid paraphrasing Thoreau in Into The Wild says: “Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness… give me truth.”


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@forgetthesky
“acceptance of the world as we find it is the essence of the red pill, even if some of our info turns out to need modification with new data.”

Like the kid paraphrasing Thoreau in Into The Wild says: “Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness… give me truth.”


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YaReally
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@Jeremy
” is like saying, “I don’t want to do my physical rehabilitation,” after a major car accident.”

This.

I don’t even bother telling people “seriously, you can “be a PUA” by just approaching girls sober in the daytime on your lunch break, you don’t have to go take over nightclubs and add bouncers to your Facebook and stay up drinking till 4am with club girls, you can just chat girls up on the subway on the way to work and try applying this stuff”, because the people who need to be convinced to apply this stuff won’t stick with it long enough to get good at it.

I worked a 9-5 during my first years of learning PUA and I just made it work because I wanted it bad. No one told me I had to go to nightclubs, but nightclubs offered the highest % of hot girls in a small room that I could approach and practice applying this stuff and gain reference experiences so off I went to the nightclubs.

If you aren’t getting the results you want with women, like if you see a hot girl at the gym or McDonald’s or some shit and you don’t know how to go up and approach her and get her number and very likely bang her, or you’re in relationships with girls you don’t like or who aren’t giving you enough value, or you’re trapped in a relationship with a shitty girlfriend, or you haven’t had sex in a year…time to start doing your physical rehabilitation. You don’t have to do it forever and you don’t have to hit it hardcore, but the exercises to get your legs working again are right there laid out in front of you when you finally give up and accept that you need help.

If you were fat you wouldn’t be ashamed of going to the gym or asking a personal trainer for advice or lifting weights. If you were poor you wouldn’t be ashamed of taking business coaching or educating yourself to learn an employable skillset. If you were scared of heights you wouldn’t be ashamed of learning to overcome that fear. If you were scared of public speaking you’d go to toastmasters or try an improv class.

…but when it’s “I can’t get laid”, suddenly everybody flips the fuck out like “OMG YOU GO OUT AND TALK TO GIRLS???? YOU ARE PUSSY-OBSESSED YOU FREAK OMG OMG MY SENSIBILITIES ARE OFFENDED!!”

That’s a societal construct, that shame that you’re supposed to feel for wanting to get laid. It’s retarded.

The biggest reason I got good fast (fast being a few years lol, I was a hardcase shut-in hermit nerd virgin when I started) was that I went in accepting “I have NO idea how to get women or how any of this shit works, I am an open book, I’ll try anything”. I think it’s harder for guys who’ve had some success to go in…like trying to teach a martial artist how to box or do MMA and they fall into their old habits and shit where a new guy could build good habits from the ground up.


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@Jeremy
” is like saying, “I don’t want to do my physical rehabilitation,” after a major car accident.”

This.

I don’t even bother telling people “seriously, you can “be a PUA” by just approaching girls sober in the daytime on your lunch break, you don’t have to go take over nightclubs and add bouncers to your Facebook and stay up drinking till 4am with club girls, you can just chat girls up on the subway on the way to work and try applying this stuff”, because the people who need to be convinced to apply this stuff won’t stick with it long enough to get good at it.

I worked a 9-5 during my first years of learning PUA and I just made it work because I wanted it bad. No one told me I had to go to nightclubs, but nightclubs offered the highest % of hot girls in a small room that I could approach and practice applying this stuff and gain reference experiences so off I went to the nightclubs.

If you aren’t getting the results you want with women, like if you see a hot girl at the gym or McDonald’s or some shit and you don’t know how to go up and approach her and get her number and very likely bang her, or you’re in relationships with girls you don’t like or who aren’t giving you enough value, or you’re trapped in a relationship with a shitty girlfriend, or you haven’t had sex in a year…time to start doing your physical rehabilitation. You don’t have to do it forever and you don’t have to hit it hardcore, but the exercises to get your legs working again are right there laid out in front of you when you finally give up and accept that you need help.

If you were fat you wouldn’t be ashamed of going to the gym or asking a personal trainer for advice or lifting weights. If you were poor you wouldn’t be ashamed of taking business coaching or educating yourself to learn an employable skillset. If you were scared of heights you wouldn’t be ashamed of learning to overcome that fear. If you were scared of public speaking you’d go to toastmasters or try an improv class.

…but when it’s “I can’t get laid”, suddenly everybody flips the fuck out like “OMG YOU GO OUT AND TALK TO GIRLS???? YOU ARE PUSSY-OBSESSED YOU FREAK OMG OMG MY SENSIBILITIES ARE OFFENDED!!”

That’s a societal construct, that shame that you’re supposed to feel for wanting to get laid. It’s retarded.

The biggest reason I got good fast (fast being a few years lol, I was a hardcase shut-in hermit nerd virgin when I started) was that I went in accepting “I have NO idea how to get women or how any of this shit works, I am an open book, I’ll try anything”. I think it’s harder for guys who’ve had some success to go in…like trying to teach a martial artist how to box or do MMA and they fall into their old habits and shit where a new guy could build good habits from the ground up.


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lol this is why we didn’t let women participate in the old PUA community days. 10 pages of hamster rationalization while men try to logically convince her of shit while she moves goalposts around based on her in-the-moment feels and if anyone disagrees with her feels too much they’re “mean” and out comes the “you probably can’t get laid and think supermodels all have pointy elbows” stuff because you’re clashing with her real-world experience of guys who want to fuck her telling her she’s a 10. It’s all just such a waste of energy because she’s not going to learn anything. No one will be smarter for having engaged in this lol

But I know Rollo let’s them hang out here to illustrate game principles and so in an attepmt to turn this Oprah therapy section into something game-related here are some dynamics going on that made me lol reading this thread (aside from the obvious “that’s not a fuckin’ 3!!” qualification which is classic neg/disqualifying theory in action lol):

First off here’s everything you could want to know about BF Destroying:

The article Rollo linked but with head and foot notes that were left out of the post on the RSD forum:

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer/

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer-pt-2/

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer-pt-3/

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer-pt-4/

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer-pt-5/

And here’s another one, again by Tyler, with more:

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/more-on-boyfriend-destroying/

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/more-on-boyfriend-destroying-pt-2/

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/more-on-boyfriend-destroying-pt-3/

And here’s a great one by Harmless that really summarizes everything into a consistent structure…all of this is from the suuuuper oldschool PUA days. Like pre-The Game when Style was still undercover:

http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/BoyFriend_Destroyer/269.html

http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/BoyFriend_Destroyer/269_2.html

Now no one here is trying to fuck this chick, obviously, but let’s assume that we are, for the sake of a thought experiment in “how would I deal with this situation in real life if I wanted to fuck a girl who’s coming to me asking to analyse her relationship”:

Rollo is applying a lot of this, but I’d say he’s applying it more as a natural result of Socratic questioning and is simply aware of what he’s doing rather than doing it with any real intent behind it…but read his comments and you’ll see these principles being applied in them (again, not necessarily on purpose or with malicious intent, a lot of PUA is just explaining natural behaviors we execute):

“2) It is preferable that you don’t make it appear that you want her to dump her boyfriend. Rather, make the idea appear to be something from within her (more of a Socratic thing, than a direct thing).”

“3) While BFdestroying, you must direct the convo. to make her prompt you to tell her how you would treat a woman. Make her work it out of you, because she’s worked up, **and wants to know if she’s got a fair deal or not.**” (emphasis mine…”what do other people think of my relationship?” is literally the reason she posted here)

“4) You must REFRAME all behaviour to appear like insecure nice guy behaviour. Even behaviour that -WE- as ASFers would use on girls (such as not agreeing to LTR) is to be REFRAMED as being nice guy behaviour, as someone who is too afraid to be decisive and go for what they really want, since they are too afraid that they will lose it once they’ve been emotionally vulnerable (as will be explained below). All behaviour can be REFRAMED.”

Note that the next one she’s also doing to herself by analysing her relationship instead of just enjoying it:

“You are trying to DIFFUSE his outer glossy shell, and give the girl a window into his inner workings, so that he no longer appears “mysterious” in any way. You make her understand him so well, that she likes him more as a person, but no longer has any sexual desire for him.”

And as we all know and are lol’ing about as this whole thread continues, because posting here is the metaphorical coffee date:

““A major point though is that if her relationship to her boyfriend was so good, what is she doing sitting out for coffee with you? This does not need to be stated by you. It is obvious. Your job is to find out what SHE wants from you and how you plan to demonstrate that you can provide it to her through your stories about yourself. Of course you need lots of stories about yourself dealing with women in the same fashion that she likes to be handled herself. This stuff seeps in and makes her think of you as “her type” without you even complimenting her once.” (MrSEX4uNYC)”

Most of the other guys replying to her are violating this principle from Harmless’ posts:

“if you BASH her boyfriend, she will get DEFENSIVE and support him. You’ve just anchored good feelings towards her BF and BAD feelings towards you. Bad idea. This even happens if SHE starts bashing her BF and you AGREE with her.”

Most of you guys are just shitting on her BF, so instinctively this result happens:

“I really am satisfied in my relationship. Really guys, I’ve been honest about everything else, if I wasn’t happy I would just say that! I don’t want everyone to judge my guy over one anecdote that happened like 3 years ago.”

Now her relationship is satisfying and everyone should quit judging him and that was 3 years ago etc. etc. defend defend defend. It doesn’t matter whether she likes him or not, she has to defend him. It’s like when the cop goes to break up a domestic dispute and tackles the guy and then the girl who was just getting beat on attacks the cop. Human nature.

Now again, no one here is trying to fuck her. I know that lol But this is a good example of how our natural approach (to directly AMOG her BF and point out his flaws) will make a girl defend her man or, at BEST, get her to break up with him but not switch to fucking YOU.

Now if this were a real world situation (say a fuckbuddy you were seeing boyfriended up and was trying to blab to you about her relationship drama looking for advice, that’s the least offensive reason to use this stuff I’d say lol) and you DID want to get her to break up with him specifically to fuck you (like Tyler warns “This stuff is more geared towards prompting an actual breakup, than a ONS”), then you would want to avoid ending up in this checkmate situation where she’s on the defensive and you can’t turn it into sex, and instead you would want to follow the above rule plus this rule:

“The second is a thread that describes him as the ideal boyfriend so his faults are amplified. This is a DHV.”

Which when you combine the principles of not talking shit about him, always “defending” him so that she’ll bash him, and building him up as a perfect image he can’t possibly live up to, you end up with something like this from Harmless:

“Then you build up her BF with: “You know what? It sounds like you guys are totally in love. I can totally tell that he’s the PERFECT guy for you and you will ALWAYS be together. In fact, I bet he’ll propose to you soon and you’ll get married and have kids and live in a nice house with a white picket fence. And you know, I just couldn’t live with myself if I ruined the rest of your life with him because he is your PERFECT BOYFRIEND.” Then she starts bashing her own boyfriend (“Well, sometimes he’s mean to me. Blah blah blah”) and you say..”

That starts the gears turning for her to see him as flawed and think she’s observing it on her own. But that’ll just result in this trap Tyler writes about:

“1) When BFdestroying you walk a tightrope between evoking too many bad feelings and having them anchoured to you, and getting the chick to want to dump her BF. Don’t forget that your end goal is to f-close, not to break her up for some other dude to enjoy.””

So we take the above concepts where we don’t talk shit about him and build him up and defend him and reframe everything as coming from insecurity and take away all his mystery (like Rollo’s thing about seeing the mechanics, you force her to see them and ruin their attractiveness), and to avoid her just breaking up with him and being single running free, if we want her to fuck us specifically (or a friend, really, you can build a buddy up this way too), we have to add an alternative.

So like, if you want someone to quit smoking you generally can’t just say quit smoking, you have to give them something else to do with their hands etc. (chew on a straw, eCigs, that kind of thing). Indiana Jones style you have to switch the one thing out for an alternative thing.

But we know if we talk someone UP, she’ll instinctively look for flaws…and we know the reverse is true: if you disqualify yourself, she’ll instinctively look for positives.

And that’s how we arrive with Harmless’ structure here:

“She mentions the BF,

You ignore it.

She mentions him again,

You start three threads going:

One is future adventures projections of you and her having sex. But you use imagery that she can fantasize about (If you don’t know, go read a romance novel) and disqualify yourself. (“Yeah, but that will never happen.”) This raises buying temp.

The second is a thread that describes him as the ideal boyfriend so his faults are amplified. This is a DHV.

The third is a thread that describes you as a horrible boyfriend. You can do it ironically if you want. Basically, it’s a DLV and a false-disqualifier.”

So you see, this stuff is all just understanding how our brains work and applying logic to get the result you want. Those articles were written in like 2003-2004, before The Game when Style was still undercover etc. Like that’s how long we’ve fully understood how this all works. The info is out there for guys who want to learn it. And being aware of it teaches you how to avoid falling into it etc.

Of course we all know none of this will work on this chick because this is the magical NAWALT posting here, as I’m sure she’ll be sure to inform us all…though her “I’m a realist” vibe makes me think she’ll go the route of trying to seem NAWALT by saying “no I actually agree, this would blah blah on me” for approval in the Boy’s Club. …see what I did there? Now whether she responds arguing with what I wrote or agreeing with what I wrote doesn’t matter, I’ve made both options seem low-value lol Use that on a girl’s boyfriend sometime where either action he can respond to her with is reframed to come from a place of low-value.

And like Tyler says:

“I see nothing wrong in attempting to BFdestroy a relationship, because it can hardly be a good relationship if some dude she just met was so easily able to break it up. In the case of a marriage with young children, however, I might not be inclined to use this stuff.”

…which is basically the same conclusion any guy who has abundance comes to. You should be working on being high enough value that other guys don’t trigger your girl’s Hypergamy. ’cause if you ARE the top of her Hypergamy radar, then even Tyler himself knows:

“For HBs in satisfying relationships (ie: getting sexed well, getting emotional nurturing, guy is challenging yet fair) […] no amount of BFdestroying will do shit.”

Which is something I’ve stated a number of times myself from my own experience.

Don’t be sad that you have to be the best possible man you can be to keep your girl…you should view that as a welcome challenge because you should WANT to be your best at all times, for your own pride.


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YaReally
on February 5th, 2015 at 9:07 pm
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lol this is why we didn’t let women participate in the old PUA community days. 10 pages of hamster rationalization while men try to logically convince her of shit while she moves goalposts around based on her in-the-moment feels and if anyone disagrees with her feels too much they’re “mean” and out comes the “you probably can’t get laid and think supermodels all have pointy elbows” stuff because you’re clashing with her real-world experience of guys who want to fuck her telling her she’s a 10. It’s all just such a waste of energy because she’s not going to learn anything. No one will be smarter for having engaged in this lol

But I know Rollo let’s them hang out here to illustrate game principles and so in an attepmt to turn this Oprah therapy section into something game-related here are some dynamics going on that made me lol reading this thread (aside from the obvious “that’s not a fuckin’ 3!!” qualification which is classic neg/disqualifying theory in action lol):

First off here’s everything you could want to know about BF Destroying:

The article Rollo linked but with head and foot notes that were left out of the post on the RSD forum:

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer/
http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer-pt-2/
http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer-pt-3/
http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer-pt-4/
http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer-pt-5/

And here’s another one, again by Tyler, with more:

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/more-on-boyfriend-destroying/
http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/more-on-boyfriend-destroying-pt-2/
http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/more-on-boyfriend-destroying-pt-3/

And here’s a great one by Harmless that really summarizes everything into a consistent structure…all of this is from the suuuuper oldschool PUA days. Like pre-The Game when Style was still undercover:

http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/BoyFriend_Destroyer/269.html
http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/BoyFriend_Destroyer/269_2.html

Now no one here is trying to fuck this chick, obviously, but let’s assume that we are, for the sake of a thought experiment in “how would I deal with this situation in real life if I wanted to fuck a girl who’s coming to me asking to analyse her relationship”:

Rollo is applying a lot of this, but I’d say he’s applying it more as a natural result of Socratic questioning and is simply aware of what he’s doing rather than doing it with any real intent behind it…but read his comments and you’ll see these principles being applied in them (again, not necessarily on purpose or with malicious intent, a lot of PUA is just explaining natural behaviors we execute):

“2) It is preferable that you don’t make it appear that you want her to dump her boyfriend. Rather, make the idea appear to be something from within her (more of a Socratic thing, than a direct thing).”

“3) While BFdestroying, you must direct the convo. to make her prompt you to tell her how you would treat a woman. Make her work it out of you, because she’s worked up, **and wants to know if she’s got a fair deal or not.**” (emphasis mine…”what do other people think of my relationship?” is literally the reason she posted here)

“4) You must REFRAME all behaviour to appear like insecure nice guy behaviour. Even behaviour that -WE- as ASFers would use on girls (such as not agreeing to LTR) is to be REFRAMED as being nice guy behaviour, as someone who is too afraid to be decisive and go for what they really want, since they are too afraid that they will lose it once they’ve been emotionally vulnerable (as will be explained below). All behaviour can be REFRAMED.”

Note that the next one she’s also doing to herself by analysing her relationship instead of just enjoying it:

“You are trying to DIFFUSE his outer glossy shell, and give the girl a window into his inner workings, so that he no longer appears “mysterious” in any way. You make her understand him so well, that she likes him more as a person, but no longer has any sexual desire for him.”

And as we all know and are lol’ing about as this whole thread continues, because posting here is the metaphorical coffee date:

““A major point though is that if her relationship to her boyfriend was so good, what is she doing sitting out for coffee with you? This does not need to be stated by you. It is obvious. Your job is to find out what SHE wants from you and how you plan to demonstrate that you can provide it to her through your stories about yourself. Of course you need lots of stories about yourself dealing with women in the same fashion that she likes to be handled herself. This stuff seeps in and makes her think of you as “her type” without you even complimenting her once.” (MrSEX4uNYC)”

Most of the other guys replying to her are violating this principle from Harmless’ posts:

“if you BASH her boyfriend, she will get DEFENSIVE and support him. You’ve just anchored good feelings towards her BF and BAD feelings towards you. Bad idea. This even happens if SHE starts bashing her BF and you AGREE with her.”

Most of you guys are just shitting on her BF, so instinctively this result happens:

“I really am satisfied in my relationship. Really guys, I’ve been honest about everything else, if I wasn’t happy I would just say that! I don’t want everyone to judge my guy over one anecdote that happened like 3 years ago.”

Now her relationship is satisfying and everyone should quit judging him and that was 3 years ago etc. etc. defend defend defend. It doesn’t matter whether she likes him or not, she has to defend him. It’s like when the cop goes to break up a domestic dispute and tackles the guy and then the girl who was just getting beat on attacks the cop. Human nature.

Now again, no one here is trying to fuck her. I know that lol But this is a good example of how our natural approach (to directly AMOG her BF and point out his flaws) will make a girl defend her man or, at BEST, get her to break up with him but not switch to fucking YOU.

Now if this were a real world situation (say a fuckbuddy you were seeing boyfriended up and was trying to blab to you about her relationship drama looking for advice, that’s the least offensive reason to use this stuff I’d say lol) and you DID want to get her to break up with him specifically to fuck you (like Tyler warns “This stuff is more geared towards prompting an actual breakup, than a ONS”), then you would want to avoid ending up in this checkmate situation where she’s on the defensive and you can’t turn it into sex, and instead you would want to follow the above rule plus this rule:

“The second is a thread that describes him as the ideal boyfriend so his faults are amplified. This is a DHV.”

Which when you combine the principles of not talking shit about him, always “defending” him so that she’ll bash him, and building him up as a perfect image he can’t possibly live up to, you end up with something like this from Harmless:

“Then you build up her BF with: “You know what? It sounds like you guys are totally in love. I can totally tell that he’s the PERFECT guy for you and you will ALWAYS be together. In fact, I bet he’ll propose to you soon and you’ll get married and have kids and live in a nice house with a white picket fence. And you know, I just couldn’t live with myself if I ruined the rest of your life with him because he is your PERFECT BOYFRIEND.” Then she starts bashing her own boyfriend (“Well, sometimes he’s mean to me. Blah blah blah”) and you say..”

That starts the gears turning for her to see him as flawed and think she’s observing it on her own. But that’ll just result in this trap Tyler writes about:

“1) When BFdestroying you walk a tightrope between evoking too many bad feelings and having them anchoured to you, and getting the chick to want to dump her BF. Don’t forget that your end goal is to f-close, not to break her up for some other dude to enjoy.””

So we take the above concepts where we don’t talk shit about him and build him up and defend him and reframe everything as coming from insecurity and take away all his mystery (like Rollo’s thing about seeing the mechanics, you force her to see them and ruin their attractiveness), and to avoid her just breaking up with him and being single running free, if we want her to fuck us specifically (or a friend, really, you can build a buddy up this way too), we have to add an alternative.

So like, if you want someone to quit smoking you generally can’t just say quit smoking, you have to give them something else to do with their hands etc. (chew on a straw, eCigs, that kind of thing). Indiana Jones style you have to switch the one thing out for an alternative thing.

But we know if we talk someone UP, she’ll instinctively look for flaws…and we know the reverse is true: if you disqualify yourself, she’ll instinctively look for positives.

And that’s how we arrive with Harmless’ structure here:

“She mentions the BF,

You ignore it.

She mentions him again,

You start three threads going:

One is future adventures projections of you and her having sex. But you use imagery that she can fantasize about (If you don’t know, go read a romance novel) and disqualify yourself. (“Yeah, but that will never happen.”) This raises buying temp.

The second is a thread that describes him as the ideal boyfriend so his faults are amplified. This is a DHV.

The third is a thread that describes you as a horrible boyfriend. You can do it ironically if you want. Basically, it’s a DLV and a false-disqualifier.”

So you see, this stuff is all just understanding how our brains work and applying logic to get the result you want. Those articles were written in like 2003-2004, before The Game when Style was still undercover etc. Like that’s how long we’ve fully understood how this all works. The info is out there for guys who want to learn it. And being aware of it teaches you how to avoid falling into it etc.

Of course we all know none of this will work on this chick because this is the magical NAWALT posting here, as I’m sure she’ll be sure to inform us all…though her “I’m a realist” vibe makes me think she’ll go the route of trying to seem NAWALT by saying “no I actually agree, this would blah blah on me” for approval in the Boy’s Club. …see what I did there? Now whether she responds arguing with what I wrote or agreeing with what I wrote doesn’t matter, I’ve made both options seem low-value lol Use that on a girl’s boyfriend sometime where either action he can respond to her with is reframed to come from a place of low-value.

And like Tyler says:

“I see nothing wrong in attempting to BFdestroy a relationship, because it can hardly be a good relationship if some dude she just met was so easily able to break it up. In the case of a marriage with young children, however, I might not be inclined to use this stuff.”

…which is basically the same conclusion any guy who has abundance comes to. You should be working on being high enough value that other guys don’t trigger your girl’s Hypergamy. ’cause if you ARE the top of her Hypergamy radar, then even Tyler himself knows:

“For HBs in satisfying relationships (ie: getting sexed well, getting emotional nurturing, guy is challenging yet fair) […] no amount of BFdestroying will do shit.”

Which is something I’ve stated a number of times myself from my own experience.

Don’t be sad that you have to be the best possible man you can be to keep your girl…you should view that as a welcome challenge because you should WANT to be your best at all times, for your own pride.


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YaReally
on February 5th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
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@ManPersonNumber6762
Not going to address the article because it’s flawed from the premise:

“If you act normal and a girl wants to get with you, she will never ‘shit test’ you.”

Right…and if you just act normal your child will magically behave and never push to see what your boundaries are.

Tell it to the guys in /r/relationships/ and /r/deadbedrooms/, Robin Williams and any normal cool guy who’s being divorced or any dad with out of control kids etc. Whoever wrote this article is basing his entire argument around something that is blatantly wrong to anyone who looks at the world around them.

The thing anti-gamers don’t get about why men get hooked on the Red Pill is that what the RP/PUA/etc. teaches explains SO many consistent experiences in their lives that shit like this article contradicts. So it’s not that men read something and get all rah rah about it like it’s the next #likeagirl girl-power campaign but for men. They accept and swallow the horrible tasting pill because what’s written aligns with their experiences. It’s like a frustrated “I hate that this is how it works but man, this is how it seems to really work…that other stuff doesn’t align with my experiences at ALL”.

TRP isn’t about “who can make the most convincing argument”. It’s about what aligns with mass experience of hundreds of thousands of men.


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@ManPersonNumber6762
Not going to address the article because it’s flawed from the premise:

“If you act normal and a girl wants to get with you, she will never ‘shit test’ you.”

Right…and if you just act normal your child will magically behave and never push to see what your boundaries are.

Tell it to the guys in /r/relationships/ and /r/deadbedrooms/, Robin Williams and any normal cool guy who’s being divorced or any dad with out of control kids etc. Whoever wrote this article is basing his entire argument around something that is blatantly wrong to anyone who looks at the world around them.

The thing anti-gamers don’t get about why men get hooked on the Red Pill is that what the RP/PUA/etc. teaches explains SO many consistent experiences in their lives that shit like this article contradicts. So it’s not that men read something and get all rah rah about it like it’s the next #likeagirl girl-power campaign but for men. They accept and swallow the horrible tasting pill because what’s written aligns with their experiences. It’s like a frustrated “I hate that this is how it works but man, this is how it seems to really work…that other stuff doesn’t align with my experiences at ALL”.

TRP isn’t about “who can make the most convincing argument”. It’s about what aligns with mass experience of hundreds of thousands of men.


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Word dumpin all over this place, I ain’t gettin fuck ALL done for work tonight lol:

@gregg
“I have a “problem” or in better words “do not respect” men living in lies, men who pursue the goals of others instead of theirs of their own, men who lost “manliness” and a thirst for truth, clarity and freedom and became slaves – to their dicks, FI, roles that society assign them, anything.”

I agree. Every man should choose his own goals. That’s why I’m supportive of friends who enter relationships, as long as they’re aware of the dynamics and potential downsides etc. If a friend wants to marry his girlfriend and is fully aware of the potential legal consequences of that and divorce horror stories and the statistics etc. and he still wants to do it because it’s a goal/purpose to him, then I may think he’s foolish but I’ll support him and hope he’s the statistical anomaly it works out for. But I don’t respect a guy who gets married because he’s unaware of all that stuff and doesn’t REALLY want to do it but his overbearing bride and/or her family push him into it and he’s just going along with other people’s goals for him.

“I do not respect men who became…women”

That’s weird, because you’re using a lot of feels-based shaming language here instead of cold hard logical debate. “I don’t respect those men for acting like women” is the same shit that women do when they say “I wouldn’t have sex with a guy who acted like a jerk”. It’s just an attempt to bully people into acting the way you want them to, which, ironically, contradicts your previous statement about not wanting men to be slaves to roles other people assign them. You do, in fact, want men to be slaves to a role…but that role must be the role that YOU assign them for how a man should behave.

You are literally doing exactly what Feminists do when they slander #womenagainstfeminism…they only support freedom of speech for women, as long as those women are saying the things they want them to say. If they don’t, they’re outcast from the tribe and are shamed into trying to chase Feminists’ validation the same way you’re trying to shame men into chasing yours.

Please, define what being a man is for other men, because it wasn’t retarded enough when Jezebel tried to do it for us. Every man decides for himself what a man is. No one gives a shit about your approval.

“If I have to compare a guy jerking off to internet porn and living his life under his rules”

…as long as “his rules” are “my rules”, right? Because just like Feminists, you want people to be free, as long as they freely choose the same thing as you. You don’t even realize you’re doing this, and this won’t convince you to think about your views, I’m writing this for guys who’ve fallen for this bullying tactic before so they can hopefully see exactly why it’s silly.

“to married slave, living in fear, who lost every ounce of spirit in the process, scarred shitless from and slaving to, his shrieking beast”

I agree with this. I don’t respect this guy either…not because he’s married, but because he’s in that position by a lack of choice. If he were in it by choice he would be thriving in marriage (ie – Brad Pitt with Angelina Jolie thrives).

“to man that need, desperately need to fuck someone and is willing to do ANYTHING to do that, provided it works…”

Whatever works. My moral code is my own, it’s defined by me, not you, and I don’t care if you agree with it or not. Like I don’t know how to make it clear that your opinion isn’t relevant because I’m sure people have told you you’re a special unique snowflake your entire life.

“I vote for the porn guy. He at least has some dignity.”

I respect him if he can GET women and has chosen porn, VS if he’s chosen porn because he’s too scared to go out and talk to women. Again to me it comes down to “is he doing what he’s doing because he wants to and it’s his goal/purpose, or because he’s scared or someone else has defined his goals for him”.

You can’t say you don’t respect men “who pursue the goals of others instead of theirs of their own” and then go on to define the acceptable goals for men. Cognitive dissonance and hamster rationalization…LIKE A WOMAN. Oh the irony. lol


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Word dumpin all over this place, I ain’t gettin fuck ALL done for work tonight lol:

@gregg
“I have a “problem” or in better words “do not respect” men living in lies, men who pursue the goals of others instead of theirs of their own, men who lost “manliness” and a thirst for truth, clarity and freedom and became slaves – to their dicks, FI, roles that society assign them, anything.”

I agree. Every man should choose his own goals. That’s why I’m supportive of friends who enter relationships, as long as they’re aware of the dynamics and potential downsides etc. If a friend wants to marry his girlfriend and is fully aware of the potential legal consequences of that and divorce horror stories and the statistics etc. and he still wants to do it because it’s a goal/purpose to him, then I may think he’s foolish but I’ll support him and hope he’s the statistical anomaly it works out for. But I don’t respect a guy who gets married because he’s unaware of all that stuff and doesn’t REALLY want to do it but his overbearing bride and/or her family push him into it and he’s just going along with other people’s goals for him.

“I do not respect men who became…women”

That’s weird, because you’re using a lot of feels-based shaming language here instead of cold hard logical debate. “I don’t respect those men for acting like women” is the same shit that women do when they say “I wouldn’t have sex with a guy who acted like a jerk”. It’s just an attempt to bully people into acting the way you want them to, which, ironically, contradicts your previous statement about not wanting men to be slaves to roles other people assign them. You do, in fact, want men to be slaves to a role…but that role must be the role that YOU assign them for how a man should behave.

You are literally doing exactly what Feminists do when they slander #womenagainstfeminism…they only support freedom of speech for women, as long as those women are saying the things they want them to say. If they don’t, they’re outcast from the tribe and are shamed into trying to chase Feminists’ validation the same way you’re trying to shame men into chasing yours.

Please, define what being a man is for other men, because it wasn’t retarded enough when Jezebel tried to do it for us. Every man decides for himself what a man is. No one gives a shit about your approval.

“If I have to compare a guy jerking off to internet porn and living his life under his rules”

…as long as “his rules” are “my rules”, right? Because just like Feminists, you want people to be free, as long as they freely choose the same thing as you. You don’t even realize you’re doing this, and this won’t convince you to think about your views, I’m writing this for guys who’ve fallen for this bullying tactic before so they can hopefully see exactly why it’s silly.

“to married slave, living in fear, who lost every ounce of spirit in the process, scarred shitless from and slaving to, his shrieking beast”

I agree with this. I don’t respect this guy either…not because he’s married, but because he’s in that position by a lack of choice. If he were in it by choice he would be thriving in marriage (ie – Brad Pitt with Angelina Jolie thrives).

“to man that need, desperately need to fuck someone and is willing to do ANYTHING to do that, provided it works…”

Whatever works. My moral code is my own, it’s defined by me, not you, and I don’t care if you agree with it or not. Like I don’t know how to make it clear that your opinion isn’t relevant because I’m sure people have told you you’re a special unique snowflake your entire life.

“I vote for the porn guy. He at least has some dignity.”

I respect him if he can GET women and has chosen porn, VS if he’s chosen porn because he’s too scared to go out and talk to women. Again to me it comes down to “is he doing what he’s doing because he wants to and it’s his goal/purpose, or because he’s scared or someone else has defined his goals for him”.

You can’t say you don’t respect men “who pursue the goals of others instead of theirs of their own” and then go on to define the acceptable goals for men. Cognitive dissonance and hamster rationalization…LIKE A WOMAN. Oh the irony. lol


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@too lazy to scroll up to see who wrote this sorry lol
@Rollo
“Agreed. Out of curiosity, with your upbringing has your daughter displayed any of these tendencies of “Post Pix, Receive Validation”? Or does having a family like yours actually tend to counteract this toxic aspect of culture so far as you can tell?”

Obviously Rollo you should protect your family’s privacy and all that, it goes without saying…but down the road when your girl has made it through her early 20s, please give serious consideration to, even totally anonymously, writing a book or something on raising a daughter (and even your thoughts on raising a son since I’m sure they would be valuable too) while having a red pill understanding of the world.

It could legitimately help a lot of men who’ve swallowed the Red Pill but end up with a kid and are like “I know the absolute worst of human nature, male and female, and society’s bullshit and everything this kid is going to be up against and none of his friends or teachers or anyone is going to be backing me up on it they’re all going to be arguing the FI…how the fuck do I even BEGIN to try to keep this kid on track??” Not to mention the internal struggles when you interact with “pour girls” and how you mentally handle the notion that those are the girls that may be her peer influences when she’s at school or away for college etc.

Again, put your privacy first and don’t do it if there’s any chance of it fucking with your family’s lives…but even a thorough anonymous/pseudonym blog/book would be something that could help a lot of men out.

We know how to get girls now and have relationships on our terms, but you are one of the few consciously aware/observant/objective Red Pill men raising a daughter in this era, presumably in a modern city environment. A lot of men are going to be pursuing the family life as we settle out of the pickup life, and while a lot of the psychology will probably apply, it would be fascinating/useful to hear from a guy who’s going through it to help build some potential guidelines for being a good Red Pill father in the modern era where the FI rules everything and hampers a lot of the old methods of running a family now that fathers are demonized and actively disrespected by society.


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@too lazy to scroll up to see who wrote this sorry lol
@Rollo
“Agreed. Out of curiosity, with your upbringing has your daughter displayed any of these tendencies of “Post Pix, Receive Validation”? Or does having a family like yours actually tend to counteract this toxic aspect of culture so far as you can tell?”

Obviously Rollo you should protect your family’s privacy and all that, it goes without saying…but down the road when your girl has made it through her early 20s, please give serious consideration to, even totally anonymously, writing a book or something on raising a daughter (and even your thoughts on raising a son since I’m sure they would be valuable too) while having a red pill understanding of the world.

It could legitimately help a lot of men who’ve swallowed the Red Pill but end up with a kid and are like “I know the absolute worst of human nature, male and female, and society’s bullshit and everything this kid is going to be up against and none of his friends or teachers or anyone is going to be backing me up on it they’re all going to be arguing the FI…how the fuck do I even BEGIN to try to keep this kid on track??” Not to mention the internal struggles when you interact with “pour girls” and how you mentally handle the notion that those are the girls that may be her peer influences when she’s at school or away for college etc.

Again, put your privacy first and don’t do it if there’s any chance of it fucking with your family’s lives…but even a thorough anonymous/pseudonym blog/book would be something that could help a lot of men out.

We know how to get girls now and have relationships on our terms, but you are one of the few consciously aware/observant/objective Red Pill men raising a daughter in this era, presumably in a modern city environment. A lot of men are going to be pursuing the family life as we settle out of the pickup life, and while a lot of the psychology will probably apply, it would be fascinating/useful to hear from a guy who’s going through it to help build some potential guidelines for being a good Red Pill father in the modern era where the FI rules everything and hampers a lot of the old methods of running a family now that fathers are demonized and actively disrespected by society.


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Haven’t been following the swarm of incels discussion but wanted to address this part:

@Softek
“Don’t even get me started on incels. If sex has EVER been a regular, normal part of your life, it is impossible for you to understand what someone like me has gone through.”

Agreed. A hideous ugly girl can get SOMEONE to stick it in her. But a really low value dude just isn’t attractive even to ugly women because they need a guy slightly higher in value than them (even if it’s only momentarily) to be attracted. Go to like, an anime convention or gaming convention and you’ll find a ton of guys who, if they aren’t physically repulsive, are oozing so much socially awkward beta low-value shit out of every pore that even ugly girls don’t want to fuck them. Combine that with those guys’ FI brainwashing and the general requirement of men to make the moves because girls making the moves goes against their ASD, and those guys are in trouble.

How do I know? I was a virgin till I was 24. Not by choice lol I didn’t even know how to talk to ugly girls, let alone make any kind of moves. No girlfriend, no dates, never even held a girl’s hand till 24. Guys who’ve had any kind of success with women, even shitty ugly women, can’t wrap their heads around what it’s like to be just completely undesired by women.

It’s super fucked up, like in that mode you literally don’t know what the feeling of human contact in the context of a woman seeing any kind of value in you, is like. That’s really hard to describe to like, the female 4 who complains that she can’t find a man but really she just doesn’t want to date the plumber with the bald spot that’s been begging to take her on a date. As an incel you almost feel like just a complete non-entity.

This is my fav piece on what life as an incel is like internally. Some raw shit here that I definitely would’ve related to back then:

http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/

“I suppose I’m just the champion of the incels since I’ve identified with it so much in my life. My goal is definitely to let go of that for myself, though.”

That’s your problem. It’s not that you have to stay that way, it’s that you’ve built your identity around that. People do it all the time: the alcoholic who knows he should quit drinking but everyone thinks he’s so fun when he drinks. The fat girl who won’t stop eating because she’s told herself “I can’t help it!! I have no will-power!” so many times instead of working on developing will-power that to stay congruent to that identity she revels in, her brain says “well you better eat that donut!” etc.

Part of Fight Club’s concept was that the main character had to create a new identity because he was too trapped in his current identity to just walk out of it. A lot of us who got into pickup did the same thing, we had aliases and kind of a Superman/Clark Kent approach to being a PUA for the first years where we allowed ourselves to do stuff as Superman out at the bars that we would never try as Clark Kent at the office. Then over time you learn to merge the two together till it’s all the same.

That’s why Owen Cook chose the alias Tyler Durden, Neil was Style, etc. Tyler was a fucking freak show when he started out. Dude legit has aspergers or something, he was weird as fuck and his weird mannerisms STILL come through to this day because he started out so fucked up. But he threw himself into it and just kept plowing through the pain to get to where he is now. But he was a fucked up little troll when he started out lol

The problem is we don’t just pick positive good helpful comfort zones, we just pick whatever we’re used to. So if you build your identity around “I’m the king of the incels” then if you try to approach a girl you brain will say “hey that’s not us man, we’re king of the incels, we can’t do that” and shut you down VS the guy who’s mental thought loops are more positive like “I talk to every girl I see! Everyone loves me, I’m awesome!”…whether that’s delusional or not is irrelevant, it helps your brain unlock and go “of course I’ll talk to her, that’s who I am, I’m that guy who talks to girls!” I did a ton of affirmations my first few years of pickup, hell I still do them now and then.

The good news is that if you take action and break out of your comfort zone consistently, you’ll create new comfort zones and over time you’ll forge a new identity and won’t fall back into that old identity anymore (or only at rare times when you’re really going through shit or something triggers old painbodies).

So you’re totally fixable. There’s no logical reason you can’t be fixed, you don’t have a special extra impossible “fear of water”, you just have a LOT more mental traps built around that identity that won’t let you out of it. You legitimately may need external help…consume a ton of self-help, do Tony Robbin’s positivity challenges over and over and over, affirmations daily, force yourself to ask people for the time even if you run away after, slowly work your way into doing newbie missions even if you have to extend the time-frame to take months to build them up ( http://puamore.com/wiki/newbie-mission/ ), try BradP’s social freedom exercises they’re built for gradually getting you used to it and his 30/30 program is pretty solid from what I’ve seen ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/243100909/18-Degrees-of-Social-Freedom#scribd ), watch every RSD video on YouTube especially Tyler’s videos about hardcase newbies, etc. It’s not something that’s going to fix itself, and no one gives a shit about fixing it for you because everyone else is worried about their own shit.

It’s something you have to actively work on, but you’re entirely capable of solving it. It’s just gonna’ be a rough road…like think in terms of years, maybe a decade+, not a weekend seminar or a few months of reading.

If people who meet me now could go back in time and meet me when I was a 23yo incel they wouldn’t be able to even recognize me. And I can’t even relate to the mindsets I used to have…like I understand why I had them and I remember what they were like but I can’t relate to them anymore. It blows my mind that I was able to even function with the negative and/or apathetic thought loops (because after a while you get to acceptance where you just accept that you’re going to be forever alone) that I used to have.

No one cares if you succeed at this. In fact, some people will try to keep you from getting out of your comfort zone (“that’s not you, what happened to the You I used to know!!”). But if you really want it, you’ll push through the pain. It’s worth it, and you’ll look back on the pain as a success story. ;)

P.S. I went to strip clubs to help desensitize myself to being around women and being around sexuality lol Even just working up the nerve to ENTER one was like a month of planning and psyching myself up and talking myself out of worst-case scenarios, and I picked one way in the middle of nowhere where no one could possibly know me or see me and I hid in a corner inside terrified hoping no girl ACTUALLY came over to me because I was so nervous, etc. And like a year before I went to the strip club if you had told me I would one day go to one I would have said no way because the concept was terrifying.

I was super repressed, not just with sex but with anything outside of political correctness. I was the perfect feminist-brainwashed little soldier. When I got into PUA I used to stand at my bus stop waiting for the bus to go to the bar and I would swear out loud just saying “fuck…shit…pussy…sexy” like I had tourettes just to get used to saying “bad” words because guys who get laid are comfortable with “bad” words even if they choose not to use them. Like the anxiety and stuff is normal even if it feels like it isn’t.

You’re smart enough to outsmart your brain, but it’ll be the ultimate chess match lol …just don’t blow your $ at the rippers, she doesn’t really love you lol


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Haven’t been following the swarm of incels discussion but wanted to address this part:

@Softek
“Don’t even get me started on incels. If sex has EVER been a regular, normal part of your life, it is impossible for you to understand what someone like me has gone through.”

Agreed. A hideous ugly girl can get SOMEONE to stick it in her. But a really low value dude just isn’t attractive even to ugly women because they need a guy slightly higher in value than them (even if it’s only momentarily) to be attracted. Go to like, an anime convention or gaming convention and you’ll find a ton of guys who, if they aren’t physically repulsive, are oozing so much socially awkward beta low-value shit out of every pore that even ugly girls don’t want to fuck them. Combine that with those guys’ FI brainwashing and the general requirement of men to make the moves because girls making the moves goes against their ASD, and those guys are in trouble.

How do I know? I was a virgin till I was 24. Not by choice lol I didn’t even know how to talk to ugly girls, let alone make any kind of moves. No girlfriend, no dates, never even held a girl’s hand till 24. Guys who’ve had any kind of success with women, even shitty ugly women, can’t wrap their heads around what it’s like to be just completely undesired by women.

It’s super fucked up, like in that mode you literally don’t know what the feeling of human contact in the context of a woman seeing any kind of value in you, is like. That’s really hard to describe to like, the female 4 who complains that she can’t find a man but really she just doesn’t want to date the plumber with the bald spot that’s been begging to take her on a date. As an incel you almost feel like just a complete non-entity.

This is my fav piece on what life as an incel is like internally. Some raw shit here that I definitely would’ve related to back then:

http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/

“I suppose I’m just the champion of the incels since I’ve identified with it so much in my life. My goal is definitely to let go of that for myself, though.”

That’s your problem. It’s not that you have to stay that way, it’s that you’ve built your identity around that. People do it all the time: the alcoholic who knows he should quit drinking but everyone thinks he’s so fun when he drinks. The fat girl who won’t stop eating because she’s told herself “I can’t help it!! I have no will-power!” so many times instead of working on developing will-power that to stay congruent to that identity she revels in, her brain says “well you better eat that donut!” etc.

Part of Fight Club’s concept was that the main character had to create a new identity because he was too trapped in his current identity to just walk out of it. A lot of us who got into pickup did the same thing, we had aliases and kind of a Superman/Clark Kent approach to being a PUA for the first years where we allowed ourselves to do stuff as Superman out at the bars that we would never try as Clark Kent at the office. Then over time you learn to merge the two together till it’s all the same.

That’s why Owen Cook chose the alias Tyler Durden, Neil was Style, etc. Tyler was a fucking freak show when he started out. Dude legit has aspergers or something, he was weird as fuck and his weird mannerisms STILL come through to this day because he started out so fucked up. But he threw himself into it and just kept plowing through the pain to get to where he is now. But he was a fucked up little troll when he started out lol

The problem is we don’t just pick positive good helpful comfort zones, we just pick whatever we’re used to. So if you build your identity around “I’m the king of the incels” then if you try to approach a girl you brain will say “hey that’s not us man, we’re king of the incels, we can’t do that” and shut you down VS the guy who’s mental thought loops are more positive like “I talk to every girl I see! Everyone loves me, I’m awesome!”…whether that’s delusional or not is irrelevant, it helps your brain unlock and go “of course I’ll talk to her, that’s who I am, I’m that guy who talks to girls!” I did a ton of affirmations my first few years of pickup, hell I still do them now and then.

The good news is that if you take action and break out of your comfort zone consistently, you’ll create new comfort zones and over time you’ll forge a new identity and won’t fall back into that old identity anymore (or only at rare times when you’re really going through shit or something triggers old painbodies).

So you’re totally fixable. There’s no logical reason you can’t be fixed, you don’t have a special extra impossible “fear of water”, you just have a LOT more mental traps built around that identity that won’t let you out of it. You legitimately may need external help…consume a ton of self-help, do Tony Robbin’s positivity challenges over and over and over, affirmations daily, force yourself to ask people for the time even if you run away after, slowly work your way into doing newbie missions even if you have to extend the time-frame to take months to build them up ( http://puamore.com/wiki/newbie-mission/ ), try BradP’s social freedom exercises they’re built for gradually getting you used to it and his 30/30 program is pretty solid from what I’ve seen ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/243100909/18-Degrees-of-Social-Freedom#scribd ), watch every RSD video on YouTube especially Tyler’s videos about hardcase newbies, etc. It’s not something that’s going to fix itself, and no one gives a shit about fixing it for you because everyone else is worried about their own shit.

It’s something you have to actively work on, but you’re entirely capable of solving it. It’s just gonna’ be a rough road…like think in terms of years, maybe a decade+, not a weekend seminar or a few months of reading.

If people who meet me now could go back in time and meet me when I was a 23yo incel they wouldn’t be able to even recognize me. And I can’t even relate to the mindsets I used to have…like I understand why I had them and I remember what they were like but I can’t relate to them anymore. It blows my mind that I was able to even function with the negative and/or apathetic thought loops (because after a while you get to acceptance where you just accept that you’re going to be forever alone) that I used to have.

No one cares if you succeed at this. In fact, some people will try to keep you from getting out of your comfort zone (“that’s not you, what happened to the You I used to know!!”). But if you really want it, you’ll push through the pain. It’s worth it, and you’ll look back on the pain as a success story. 😉

P.S. I went to strip clubs to help desensitize myself to being around women and being around sexuality lol Even just working up the nerve to ENTER one was like a month of planning and psyching myself up and talking myself out of worst-case scenarios, and I picked one way in the middle of nowhere where no one could possibly know me or see me and I hid in a corner inside terrified hoping no girl ACTUALLY came over to me because I was so nervous, etc. And like a year before I went to the strip club if you had told me I would one day go to one I would have said no way because the concept was terrifying.

I was super repressed, not just with sex but with anything outside of political correctness. I was the perfect feminist-brainwashed little soldier. When I got into PUA I used to stand at my bus stop waiting for the bus to go to the bar and I would swear out loud just saying “fuck…shit…pussy…sexy” like I had tourettes just to get used to saying “bad” words because guys who get laid are comfortable with “bad” words even if they choose not to use them. Like the anxiety and stuff is normal even if it feels like it isn’t.

You’re smart enough to outsmart your brain, but it’ll be the ultimate chess match lol …just don’t blow your $ at the rippers, she doesn’t really love you lol