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YaReally
on December 7th, 2015 at 5:04 am
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Yo Rollo, hit me up at yareallypuatempacct@gmail.com when you get a chance thx


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on December 7th, 2015 at 5:11 am
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nvm ignore that shit lol


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on December 7th, 2015 at 3:13 am
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“Apparently there is a new law going into effect in NY at the start of 2016 which caps alimony-eligible earnings at $175,000/year. This means that if you are a guy that makes near or below this amount it’s the same old same old divorce rape for you. Nothing is changed. If she runs off with her co-worker or her high school boyfriend you will be paying her alimony and keeping her in the middle-class lifestyle that she is accustomed to for a very very long time. Usually until both of you are past your romantic prime.

But lo and behold, if you are a man who earns far in excess of $175,000 as many on Wall Street and also elite professional types do then you get off Scott free. Consider a run of the mill partner at a NYC law firm (i.e. “Big Law”). Let’s say this middle of the pack partner makes $1.5M/yr. Small fry compared to Wall Street hedge fund managers but still decent income. He still has to pay alimony on the first $175K/yr a certain % of which is given to cupcake depending on the mood of the judge and the rest he keeps. The best part is that the remaining $1,325,000/yr will now be entirely alimony-free and completely his.

Now consider the true 1%’ers making high 7 figures and above, practically their entire income is alimony-free. These guys can now Alpha Fuck their way until the cows come home, even after disasterous marriages, as long as they retain their earnings power. It is only lower and middle class males that stay in the purgatory of BB failure trying to survive on scraps of monthly income left behind after their divorce judgement.”

A widespread law like this would create a situation where women are more hesitant to marry rich guys for the money because they’ll view themselves as getting “less” than what they “deserve” if they bail on him.

But more importantly it makes marriage less of a hazard to rich Beta Bucks and Alpha rich CEO “want to start a family someday” men…incentive for them to start marrying these 30+yo single women? That rich dude is never going to marry a “good enough” 35yo when he can pay millions in alimony…but if the risk is minimized then hey, maybe it’s worth it.

But of course it’s not a law like “alimony will cap at X% of your earnings” because the “lesser men” who are dirt to society and women’s Hypergamy still gotta pay everything while they work 3 jobs and live out of their car.

Cuckoldry and acceptance (and praise) of open Hypergamy is definitely being mass-promoted. And the next gen of guys is more and more cool with it, like these guys are fine with being just another orbiter chode to the girl who’s resources she uses while she’s off fucking her fuckbois because the guys are so fucking thirsty because the girls don’t want them because they’re FI-brainwashed into being unappealing.

…which all works out GREAT for us older guys. These girls can have their BB on the side and I can provide the AF. There’ll be even LESS need for me to have ANY Provider qualities if this does go widescale. Hell, I’ve been in situs where the BBs are funding what the girl and I do. Could see a big increase in that along with acceptance of it from the BBs themselves.

http://www.reaxxion.com/9126/why-is-nickelodeon-airing-a-creepy-cuckold-fetish-show-aimed-at-children

http://comicsalliance.com/shezow-cartoon-transgender-superhero-review/

But I mean, that’s a step up from promoting pedophilia which is the other push inexplicably picking up steam:

http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2015/09/23/is-pedophilia-next-n2055868/page/full

(could part of the pedo push be because a bunch of 30+yo single women are going to need to maximize the range of men they can socially-acceptably get preggers by and child support from? Spinster teacher fucking the high school jock etc)

Dat social programming. Fuckin scary. 10 years ago no one even used the world “cuckold”, now it’s all over the place and the stigma of swingers into the cuckold thing etc is lowering, and the prevalence of cuckold porn has increased dramatically.

The key to avoiding being cuckolded is understanding how to trigger Hypergamy and understanding the red pill to avoid being the BB…but what happens when you brainwash a generation of men to make them feel ashamed for even glancing at red pill information, fill the media and entertainment with content that promotes and normalizes the cuckold open BB/AF concept, and dump a bunch of porn on them that helps them develop a taste for it (or uncovers a fetish they wouldn’t have realized they had if they hadn’t been exposed to it) in their early developing years?

…society is gonna get a lot weirder before it gets better lol


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on December 7th, 2015 at 3:13 am
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“Apparently there is a new law going into effect in NY at the start of 2016 which caps alimony-eligible earnings at $175,000/year. This means that if you are a guy that makes near or below this amount it’s the same old same old divorce rape for you. Nothing is changed. If she runs off with her co-worker or her high school boyfriend you will be paying her alimony and keeping her in the middle-class lifestyle that she is accustomed to for a very very long time. Usually until both of you are past your romantic prime.

But lo and behold, if you are a man who earns far in excess of $175,000 as many on Wall Street and also elite professional types do then you get off Scott free. Consider a run of the mill partner at a NYC law firm (i.e. “Big Law”). Let’s say this middle of the pack partner makes $1.5M/yr. Small fry compared to Wall Street hedge fund managers but still decent income. He still has to pay alimony on the first $175K/yr a certain % of which is given to cupcake depending on the mood of the judge and the rest he keeps. The best part is that the remaining $1,325,000/yr will now be entirely alimony-free and completely his.

Now consider the true 1%’ers making high 7 figures and above, practically their entire income is alimony-free. These guys can now Alpha Fuck their way until the cows come home, even after disasterous marriages, as long as they retain their earnings power. It is only lower and middle class males that stay in the purgatory of BB failure trying to survive on scraps of monthly income left behind after their divorce judgement.”

A widespread law like this would create a situation where women are more hesitant to marry rich guys for the money because they’ll view themselves as getting “less” than what they “deserve” if they bail on him.

But more importantly it makes marriage less of a hazard to rich Beta Bucks and Alpha rich CEO “want to start a family someday” men…incentive for them to start marrying these 30+yo single women? That rich dude is never going to marry a “good enough” 35yo when he can pay millions in alimony…but if the risk is minimized then hey, maybe it’s worth it.

But of course it’s not a law like “alimony will cap at X% of your earnings” because the “lesser men” who are dirt to society and women’s Hypergamy still gotta pay everything while they work 3 jobs and live out of their car.

Cuckoldry and acceptance (and praise) of open Hypergamy is definitely being mass-promoted. And the next gen of guys is more and more cool with it, like these guys are fine with being just another orbiter chode to the girl who’s resources she uses while she’s off fucking her fuckbois because the guys are so fucking thirsty because the girls don’t want them because they’re FI-brainwashed into being unappealing.

…which all works out GREAT for us older guys. These girls can have their BB on the side and I can provide the AF. There’ll be even LESS need for me to have ANY Provider qualities if this does go widescale. Hell, I’ve been in situs where the BBs are funding what the girl and I do. Could see a big increase in that along with acceptance of it from the BBs themselves.

http://www.reaxxion.com/9126/why-is-nickelodeon-airing-a-creepy-cuckold-fetish-show-aimed-at-children

http://comicsalliance.com/shezow-cartoon-transgender-superhero-review/

But I mean, that’s a step up from promoting pedophilia which is the other push inexplicably picking up steam:

http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2015/09/23/is-pedophilia-next-n2055868/page/full

(could part of the pedo push be because a bunch of 30+yo single women are going to need to maximize the range of men they can socially-acceptably get preggers by and child support from? Spinster teacher fucking the high school jock etc)

Dat social programming. Fuckin scary. 10 years ago no one even used the world “cuckold”, now it’s all over the place and the stigma of swingers into the cuckold thing etc is lowering, and the prevalence of cuckold porn has increased dramatically.

The key to avoiding being cuckolded is understanding how to trigger Hypergamy and understanding the red pill to avoid being the BB…but what happens when you brainwash a generation of men to make them feel ashamed for even glancing at red pill information, fill the media and entertainment with content that promotes and normalizes the cuckold open BB/AF concept, and dump a bunch of porn on them that helps them develop a taste for it (or uncovers a fetish they wouldn’t have realized they had if they hadn’t been exposed to it) in their early developing years?

…society is gonna get a lot weirder before it gets better lol


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on December 7th, 2015 at 5:51 am
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“Seems like YaReally is an example of an early adopter of this trend, sexual status signalling is trumping economic status signalling.”

Yup. I’m just going by what I’m seeing out there, anyone can see the trends if they’re infield. Girls aren’t impressed by money anymore, they either have their own money or/and have government money/support to take care of them or/and have an unlimited list of orbiters who will happily fight over who gets to fund them without even requiring sex and fully accepting the BB cuckold role if they need it. That’s the reality of hot <25yo girls today.

The 25+yo's might feel a little guilty about it, like because they're from a slightly different time…but the <25yos almost view it like "that's what these guys are FOR". That's actually how I AMOG a girl's orbiters, like I TELL her to flirt with them and don't care if they buy them stuff etc "because that's what those guys are for". Because why would they view those guys as anything else? Why WOULDN'T they accept all these free things, they've been told since childhood that they're special for having tits and these guys are insignificant nothings to them anyway (not that they treat them bad on purpose out of some malicious intent but like, you're probably not concerned about the ants scurrying around on the sidewalk below you even if you aren't maliciously trying to crush them).

What happens in economics in general when there's an abundance of something? It's value goes down and people start using other more unique features to define that thing's value.

Most guys reading this will accept this. We all know that's how a market in general works.

So when women's Provider needs are more than adequetely, what happens?

The ability to Provide becomes less valuable and women start looking at other unique features to define value. Like Lover features. Because Lovers are rare now, since guys are all neutered by the FI conditioning they've had…even guys who DO get these girls VERY OFTEN end up being needy/clingy instead of remaining aloof and cool and end up turning the girl off.

Most guys reading this will accept this.

But watch what happens when I keep extrapolating this consistent logic into an area that guys have heavily invested beliefs in lol:

What do HB9's and 10's social circles look like? Specifically the guys? A bunch of hot tall jacked rich good-looking dudes, because normal guys don't feel entitled to even approach the girl and those guys are the "most likely" to display alpha traits (and probably would if they weren't being brainwashed by the FI into often having chode tendencies and blue pill thinking under all the money and looks) so they're the safest bet to hang out with because logically they're more likely to display alpha traits than the quiet shy ugly nerd circle playing World of Warcraft…and they're also the most likely to have high-value alpha friends so basically they're the ones the hottest girls will hang around.

But what did we just say about economics? That smokin hot girl already has all the Provider shit she needs, so she's looking for a Lover. But she's so surrounded by looks and money that they don't have value anymore…her entire social circle is pretty, but 99% of it is blue pill chodes (maybe not in business etc but in seducing women) in pretty packaging. If she wanted to just get laid by a hot guy she could literally snap her fingers and have a gangbang with 10 tall rich jacked guys. But she doesn't, and, very often, she'll be completely uninterested sexually in them or even turned off by them and just use them as orbiters and validation etc, because they don't turn her on.

The HB6 who has one tall hot jacked rich guy in her social circle, ya she jumps his fucking bones. But the 10 has an over-abundance of that already, and most of those guys are just nice good dudes under it and aren't badass alpha assholes who tease and neg and understand game…a lot of them are guys who passively rely on a girl showing interest in them, or happening to be the guy around the girl at the end of the night when the party dies down, or worse in rich circles trying to bribe the girls with drugs and booze and just plowing them in that compromised state.

So what happens when a normal looking guy walks over to a circle of tall jacked rich dudes that are with the 10 and just stands beside them and doesn't do anything? He's completely invisible.

But what happens if that normal looking guy chats one of the dudes up and befriends him, gets group approval, teases her, ignores her to befriend the men and demonstrate social savviness and leadership of men etc, negs her when she tries to find out who he is and then gets up in her space to game her creating huge emotional impact with and giving her a rollercoaster of emotions that these other guys she's so bored with don't give her?

Well now you're demonstrating a unique feature that makes you stand out from the over-saturated market.

But no one will listen to THIS part…they'll still look at a hot girl with hot guys and think "there's no way she'd go for me" and not approach that set.

"Mulder observed the side effects as increased listlessness among men, more downtime and even lower economic output,"

MGTOW and Grasseaters on the "no fucks given about women" side and TRP'ers on the "women are fun but also I don't want to be workhorse for the system" other side are all already heading down this path so this is playing out.

"while the women actually experienced more work and less downtime."

Sounds about right. I actually think part of why the webcam and Instagram/orbiter stuff has picked up so much steam is because girls are starting to realize "I don't LIKE working, and my aunt/mom/friends/etc are all miserable working…that feminism stuff was cool but like, I don't want to work 80 hours a week to be a CEO I just want to not have to worry about rent and have fun". So they see stuff like webcamming or building huge armies of orbiters on Instagram who buy them shit and hand them money as a MUCH more appealing option. Like I think this is the start of the push-back and the beginning sparks of the YaReally Reversion Theory:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=%22reversion+theory%22

I think it'll get worse (a LOT worse) before it gets better, but I think it's going to get better, espeically as more of these old hag's write their complaining blog posts about how men won't marry them and girls read the comment sections and see how many men don't want to get married because women aren't offering anything anymore and they start looking for the edge over their competition (because girls LOVE to compete with other girls, there are entire consumer industries and pickup tactics based around that).

I say men should learn game and focus on their own shit and enjoy playing the field and building their value and just stall for time till this generation of girls become the warning sign for the girls growing up right now, because I think what girls will be offering in 10+ years will be MUCH better than what's being offered now and they'll be looking for older men who aren't FI-brainwashed cuckold BB chodes like their peers will be. So here I sit, chilling poolside watching it all fall down, sipping a drink with a smile as I waiting for the good stuff to bounce back up and sort itself from the garbage which is when, if I decide I want to settle down, I would do it. Right now? Not a chance. And I think men choosing to settle right now are crazy and should wait it out for a bit…especially if they're <35yo. A guy settling down in his 20s right now in 2015 is a fucking madman.


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on December 7th, 2015 at 5:51 am
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@Johnycomelately
“Seems like YaReally is an example of an early adopter of this trend, sexual status signalling is trumping economic status signalling.”

Yup. I’m just going by what I’m seeing out there, anyone can see the trends if they’re infield. Girls aren’t impressed by money anymore, they either have their own money or/and have government money/support to take care of them or/and have an unlimited list of orbiters who will happily fight over who gets to fund them without even requiring sex and fully accepting the BB cuckold role if they need it. That’s the reality of hot <25yo girls today.

The 25+yo's might feel a little guilty about it, like because they're from a slightly different time…but the <25yos almost view it like "that's what these guys are FOR". That's actually how I AMOG a girl's orbiters, like I TELL her to flirt with them and don't care if they buy them stuff etc "because that's what those guys are for". Because why would they view those guys as anything else? Why WOULDN'T they accept all these free things, they've been told since childhood that they're special for having tits and these guys are insignificant nothings to them anyway (not that they treat them bad on purpose out of some malicious intent but like, you're probably not concerned about the ants scurrying around on the sidewalk below you even if you aren't maliciously trying to crush them).

What happens in economics in general when there's an abundance of something? It's value goes down and people start using other more unique features to define that thing's value.

Most guys reading this will accept this. We all know that's how a market in general works.

So when women's Provider needs are more than adequetely, what happens?

The ability to Provide becomes less valuable and women start looking at other unique features to define value. Like Lover features. Because Lovers are rare now, since guys are all neutered by the FI conditioning they've had…even guys who DO get these girls VERY OFTEN end up being needy/clingy instead of remaining aloof and cool and end up turning the girl off.

Most guys reading this will accept this.

But watch what happens when I keep extrapolating this consistent logic into an area that guys have heavily invested beliefs in lol:

What do HB9's and 10's social circles look like? Specifically the guys? A bunch of hot tall jacked rich good-looking dudes, because normal guys don't feel entitled to even approach the girl and those guys are the "most likely" to display alpha traits (and probably would if they weren't being brainwashed by the FI into often having chode tendencies and blue pill thinking under all the money and looks) so they're the safest bet to hang out with because logically they're more likely to display alpha traits than the quiet shy ugly nerd circle playing World of Warcraft…and they're also the most likely to have high-value alpha friends so basically they're the ones the hottest girls will hang around.

But what did we just say about economics? That smokin hot girl already has all the Provider shit she needs, so she's looking for a Lover. But she's so surrounded by looks and money that they don't have value anymore…her entire social circle is pretty, but 99% of it is blue pill chodes (maybe not in business etc but in seducing women) in pretty packaging. If she wanted to just get laid by a hot guy she could literally snap her fingers and have a gangbang with 10 tall rich jacked guys. But she doesn't, and, very often, she'll be completely uninterested sexually in them or even turned off by them and just use them as orbiters and validation etc, because they don't turn her on.

The HB6 who has one tall hot jacked rich guy in her social circle, ya she jumps his fucking bones. But the 10 has an over-abundance of that already, and most of those guys are just nice good dudes under it and aren't badass alpha assholes who tease and neg and understand game…a lot of them are guys who passively rely on a girl showing interest in them, or happening to be the guy around the girl at the end of the night when the party dies down, or worse in rich circles trying to bribe the girls with drugs and booze and just plowing them in that compromised state.

So what happens when a normal looking guy walks over to a circle of tall jacked rich dudes that are with the 10 and just stands beside them and doesn't do anything? He's completely invisible.

But what happens if that normal looking guy chats one of the dudes up and befriends him, gets group approval, teases her, ignores her to befriend the men and demonstrate social savviness and leadership of men etc, negs her when she tries to find out who he is and then gets up in her space to game her creating huge emotional impact with and giving her a rollercoaster of emotions that these other guys she's so bored with don't give her?

Well now you're demonstrating a unique feature that makes you stand out from the over-saturated market.

But no one will listen to THIS part…they'll still look at a hot girl with hot guys and think "there's no way she'd go for me" and not approach that set.

"Mulder observed the side effects as increased listlessness among men, more downtime and even lower economic output,"

MGTOW and Grasseaters on the "no fucks given about women" side and TRP'ers on the "women are fun but also I don't want to be workhorse for the system" other side are all already heading down this path so this is playing out.

"while the women actually experienced more work and less downtime."

Sounds about right. I actually think part of why the webcam and Instagram/orbiter stuff has picked up so much steam is because girls are starting to realize "I don't LIKE working, and my aunt/mom/friends/etc are all miserable working…that feminism stuff was cool but like, I don't want to work 80 hours a week to be a CEO I just want to not have to worry about rent and have fun". So they see stuff like webcamming or building huge armies of orbiters on Instagram who buy them shit and hand them money as a MUCH more appealing option. Like I think this is the start of the push-back and the beginning sparks of the YaReally Reversion Theory:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=%22reversion+theory%22

I think it'll get worse (a LOT worse) before it gets better, but I think it's going to get better, espeically as more of these old hag's write their complaining blog posts about how men won't marry them and girls read the comment sections and see how many men don't want to get married because women aren't offering anything anymore and they start looking for the edge over their competition (because girls LOVE to compete with other girls, there are entire consumer industries and pickup tactics based around that).

I say men should learn game and focus on their own shit and enjoy playing the field and building their value and just stall for time till this generation of girls become the warning sign for the girls growing up right now, because I think what girls will be offering in 10+ years will be MUCH better than what's being offered now and they'll be looking for older men who aren't FI-brainwashed cuckold BB chodes like their peers will be. So here I sit, chilling poolside watching it all fall down, sipping a drink with a smile as I waiting for the good stuff to bounce back up and sort itself from the garbage which is when, if I decide I want to settle down, I would do it. Right now? Not a chance. And I think men choosing to settle right now are crazy and should wait it out for a bit…especially if they're <35yo. A guy settling down in his 20s right now in 2015 is a fucking madman.


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on December 7th, 2015 at 6:35 am
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That was a good fucking talk thanks for linking it. From the talk:

“If in the past we divorced because we were UNHAPPY…today we divorce because we could be happIER.”

THIS x10000. This is the new mentality in 2015, espeically in women with the Eat Pray Love push. This is why marrying in 2015 is just retarded. Again it was different in the past, because of a ton of factors, but this is how it is in the modern era and guys need to understand and accept that.

“I tell my clients if they could bring to their relationships 1/10th of the boldness, the imagination and the verve they bring to their affairs they probably would not need to see me.”

As I explain in my pLTR and “Why monogamy is broken in 2015” post here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-114069

Monogamy/marriage actively remove the things that make the relationship feel exciting and like a rollercoaster of emotions and actively handicap the guy’s ability to be bold, imaginative, challenging, aloof, punishing, rewarding and having it mean something (VS the beta who just rewards her endlessly till it loses meaning), fighting (it can be GOOD to pick a fight now and then or let her pick one so she gets her need for a range of emotions filled with some drama) etc etc

So those girls, who don’t hate their man and even love him and love what they have with him, go out to the bar and look for assholes like me because their man has voluntarily signed up for a situation where the stuff that keeps her excited and interested (and him, this all applies with the genders flipped if she lets herself go and he loses interest but men have more desire for variety whereas Hypergamy is more about the one top dog that provides her the best value so the temptations are a bit different).

And she may have no intention of cheating, but she’s still inherently CRAVING that stuff that her man has voluntarily chosen to not be able to provide for her, and those are the things that a guy like me just naturally radiates because I’m single so I’m naturally the bold imaginative aloof hard to get punishing rewarding rollercoaster ride of emotions that she’s craving. And if she can’t find me, often she’ll just blow her own relationship up causing drama etc because her man isn’t providing that range of emotions, even if the emotions he IS providing her are all happy ones people don’t WANT to just be happy all the time…that’s why we pay money to go be scared and repulsed and sad etc watching horror movies and thrillers. We want the eventual happy ending, but we want to go on the rollercoaster to get to it.

That’s why I always boil it down to “if that guy was doing his job providing her what she needs, she wouldn’t come find it from assholes at the bar”. If that guy had been running a pLTR which lets him KEEP all those things that make him attractive and exciting and high-value and gives her a range of emotions, she would get that stuff from him.

pLTR is the future. Unless technology dies out and we go back to the dark ages, there’s no going back to how shit was when monogamous marriage worked. From this point on women will ALWAYS have access to thousands of orbiters on her little validation device in her pocket and that number of orbiters will just go up not down.

She also describes some of the good things that come out of affairs/infidelity. I could list a bunch more benefits to it too, that I see from the inside perspective. That’s why I sleep easy at night…the system is already broken, it’s not working anymore…I say burn it down and create a new system that actually works in this current culture.

@walawala @GRock
I don’t mind if girls have other guys. It’s not cuckolding for me because all I’m offering is sex on my personal schedule. If I’m like, out of town for a month I don’t expect her to not fuck anyone and I’m not going to cut her off if she does. As long as she’s keeping our plans and not flaking on me and she’s not coming over without showering up, she’s free to do what she wants because I don’t want to date her. If she fucks around too much or unsafely or starts to treat me with less respect than I expect, then ya she gets a freezeout/Next. But I just assume that hot girls have a few other guys on the go.

“So Erica comes over “acting” surprised he’s there”

lol I’ve met girls who purposely invite all their orbiters and exes out to the same bar to watch them fight over her. It’s win/win for her, she gets drama and gets to watch guys fighting over her and no one actually blames HER or says to her “fuck this you’re not worth it I’m out” and walks away, they all fight over her and she goes home with whoever the best one is that night.

“Basically she had both her back up, and at least one guy knowing what was up, not expecting the other guy (me) to pick the lock of her surrounding herself with fuckables.”

This is why you never go to the venue she wants you to go to for a Day2 etc. Girls won’t pick a venue where they don’t know anyone and have no value and things are nice and easy for you. She’ll pick a venue where she has other guys and orbiters and shit incase you suck. I NEVER let girls dictate where we meet up. Even if I’m at a bar a block away from the bar they’re at and they’re BEGGING to fuck tonight, I’ll make her meet me at a venue between us so she has to leave her environment because I KNOW that if I go there she’s going to have a handful of guys she’s met that night that I have to diffuse and disarm to get her out of there and I’m going to have to try to get her attention which lowers my value etc.

If you DO end up in that situation the two best options are either 1) be so aggressively up in her grill and/or AMOG’ing the other guys with just sheer unstifled value (not tooling them, but being cooler than them and assuming you’re fucking her that night, treating it like you’re married to her and sweeping in to rescue her from the chode-fest she doesn’t want, lots of strong internal belief shit) so that the othe guys fuck off because they can’t compete. Or 2) if you’re not feeling that badass that night, just start opening and flirting with other girls and ignoring her…she’ll come find you when she sees other girls want you and that you won’t chase her and that she might lose you lol

I don’t get attached enough to care if they do stuff like that. I expect it. Like I can tell when a girl boyfriend’s up because she’ll go from texting me pages of shit daily to suddenly a week of silence and one word replies. I don’t get pissed off at them because I have and can get other girls, if anything that guy she’s seeing is saving me from having to deal with her giving me the Ultimatum wanting me to be her boyfriend lol Sometimes I call them out and make fun of them “awww sounds like true love to me <3 <3 lol" but I'll usually throw in an "in all seriousness tho, good luck babe I hope it works out. but keep my number incase it doesn't ;)" lol The vast majority of the time I'll get a txt in a few weeks/months because surprise surprise it didn't work out once the New Relationship Energy phase wore off and she got to know him and got to see all his chodey behavior or just naturally got bored being in an LTR because LTRs are usually inherently boring and because I'm not texting her my value never goes down, she assumes I'm off fucking a harem of hotties and being fun and adventurous etc while she watches her guy watching youtube in his boxers with no social life.


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on December 7th, 2015 at 6:35 am
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@Mr C
That was a good fucking talk thanks for linking it. From the talk:

“If in the past we divorced because we were UNHAPPY…today we divorce because we could be happIER.”

THIS x10000. This is the new mentality in 2015, espeically in women with the Eat Pray Love push. This is why marrying in 2015 is just retarded. Again it was different in the past, because of a ton of factors, but this is how it is in the modern era and guys need to understand and accept that.

“I tell my clients if they could bring to their relationships 1/10th of the boldness, the imagination and the verve they bring to their affairs they probably would not need to see me.”

As I explain in my pLTR and “Why monogamy is broken in 2015” post here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-114069

Monogamy/marriage actively remove the things that make the relationship feel exciting and like a rollercoaster of emotions and actively handicap the guy’s ability to be bold, imaginative, challenging, aloof, punishing, rewarding and having it mean something (VS the beta who just rewards her endlessly till it loses meaning), fighting (it can be GOOD to pick a fight now and then or let her pick one so she gets her need for a range of emotions filled with some drama) etc etc

So those girls, who don’t hate their man and even love him and love what they have with him, go out to the bar and look for assholes like me because their man has voluntarily signed up for a situation where the stuff that keeps her excited and interested (and him, this all applies with the genders flipped if she lets herself go and he loses interest but men have more desire for variety whereas Hypergamy is more about the one top dog that provides her the best value so the temptations are a bit different).

And she may have no intention of cheating, but she’s still inherently CRAVING that stuff that her man has voluntarily chosen to not be able to provide for her, and those are the things that a guy like me just naturally radiates because I’m single so I’m naturally the bold imaginative aloof hard to get punishing rewarding rollercoaster ride of emotions that she’s craving. And if she can’t find me, often she’ll just blow her own relationship up causing drama etc because her man isn’t providing that range of emotions, even if the emotions he IS providing her are all happy ones people don’t WANT to just be happy all the time…that’s why we pay money to go be scared and repulsed and sad etc watching horror movies and thrillers. We want the eventual happy ending, but we want to go on the rollercoaster to get to it.

That’s why I always boil it down to “if that guy was doing his job providing her what she needs, she wouldn’t come find it from assholes at the bar”. If that guy had been running a pLTR which lets him KEEP all those things that make him attractive and exciting and high-value and gives her a range of emotions, she would get that stuff from him.

pLTR is the future. Unless technology dies out and we go back to the dark ages, there’s no going back to how shit was when monogamous marriage worked. From this point on women will ALWAYS have access to thousands of orbiters on her little validation device in her pocket and that number of orbiters will just go up not down.

She also describes some of the good things that come out of affairs/infidelity. I could list a bunch more benefits to it too, that I see from the inside perspective. That’s why I sleep easy at night…the system is already broken, it’s not working anymore…I say burn it down and create a new system that actually works in this current culture.

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I don’t mind if girls have other guys. It’s not cuckolding for me because all I’m offering is sex on my personal schedule. If I’m like, out of town for a month I don’t expect her to not fuck anyone and I’m not going to cut her off if she does. As long as she’s keeping our plans and not flaking on me and she’s not coming over without showering up, she’s free to do what she wants because I don’t want to date her. If she fucks around too much or unsafely or starts to treat me with less respect than I expect, then ya she gets a freezeout/Next. But I just assume that hot girls have a few other guys on the go.

“So Erica comes over “acting” surprised he’s there”

lol I’ve met girls who purposely invite all their orbiters and exes out to the same bar to watch them fight over her. It’s win/win for her, she gets drama and gets to watch guys fighting over her and no one actually blames HER or says to her “fuck this you’re not worth it I’m out” and walks away, they all fight over her and she goes home with whoever the best one is that night.

“Basically she had both her back up, and at least one guy knowing what was up, not expecting the other guy (me) to pick the lock of her surrounding herself with fuckables.”

This is why you never go to the venue she wants you to go to for a Day2 etc. Girls won’t pick a venue where they don’t know anyone and have no value and things are nice and easy for you. She’ll pick a venue where she has other guys and orbiters and shit incase you suck. I NEVER let girls dictate where we meet up. Even if I’m at a bar a block away from the bar they’re at and they’re BEGGING to fuck tonight, I’ll make her meet me at a venue between us so she has to leave her environment because I KNOW that if I go there she’s going to have a handful of guys she’s met that night that I have to diffuse and disarm to get her out of there and I’m going to have to try to get her attention which lowers my value etc.

If you DO end up in that situation the two best options are either 1) be so aggressively up in her grill and/or AMOG’ing the other guys with just sheer unstifled value (not tooling them, but being cooler than them and assuming you’re fucking her that night, treating it like you’re married to her and sweeping in to rescue her from the chode-fest she doesn’t want, lots of strong internal belief shit) so that the othe guys fuck off because they can’t compete. Or 2) if you’re not feeling that badass that night, just start opening and flirting with other girls and ignoring her…she’ll come find you when she sees other girls want you and that you won’t chase her and that she might lose you lol

I don’t get attached enough to care if they do stuff like that. I expect it. Like I can tell when a girl boyfriend’s up because she’ll go from texting me pages of shit daily to suddenly a week of silence and one word replies. I don’t get pissed off at them because I have and can get other girls, if anything that guy she’s seeing is saving me from having to deal with her giving me the Ultimatum wanting me to be her boyfriend lol Sometimes I call them out and make fun of them “awww sounds like true love to me❀❀ lol" but I'll usually throw in an "in all seriousness tho, good luck babe I hope it works out. but keep my number incase it doesn't ;)" lol The vast majority of the time I'll get a txt in a few weeks/months because surprise surprise it didn't work out once the New Relationship Energy phase wore off and she got to know him and got to see all his chodey behavior or just naturally got bored being in an LTR because LTRs are usually inherently boring and because I'm not texting her my value never goes down, she assumes I'm off fucking a harem of hotties and being fun and adventurous etc while she watches her guy watching youtube in his boxers with no social life.


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“YaReally is bang on about the BB provider strategy being over abundant and lacking in Value.”

The best way I can describe it is that guys focused on lifting, money, suits, cars, etc are putting a lot of time and effort into areas that women no longer value. It’s like investing in stocks for VHS when DVDs have been released and are catching on like wildfire…there was a point where VHS was king and those stocks were worth investing in, but shit changes and you have to adapt your strategy.

This wasn’t the case in the past, that these things weren’t valuable, but society has changed in even the last 10 years. 2015 is a different beast and in this beast women have an overabundance of those attributes available to them so they’ve lost a lot of their value.

Now those things CAN be useful in that like, being in decent shape shows you take care of your body and will be able to fuck her good. But there’s no reason to worry about getting jacked, it’s irrelevant. An HB10’s social circles will already have 10 other guys bigger and more jacked and more rich than you.

I liken it to a buddy I went to Vegas with. We knew we’d be hitting pool parties so he got himself SUPER jacked. He was in retarded shape, killer body, made the rest of us look like fat walruses and beanpoles and he was super proud of it. We strolled into a pool party with him getting cocky about how he was going to get so much attention…soon as we walk in like 80% of the guys there are bigger and more jacked than him lol (’cause it’s Vegas). Dude’s state/confidence TANKED and he spent the day just drinking and looking defeated because all his hard work was a waste. My fat ass had a great time because I knew going in that my value is in expressing my personality, not competing on looks/money/etc lol

Like I get that in the old days looks and money probably DID matter, girls were looking for BB/Provider qualities and shit. But shit has changed. An HB10 is surrounded by those things and has her own money and just doesn’t NEED that stuff from men anymore. That’s WHY they call all these guys “fuckbois” now. They have a dozen jacked good-looking chode orbiters chasing them, all they want from their fuckboi is a guy who fucks their minds and bodies to give them that full range of emotions like they imagine James Deen and Christian Grey would.

Cause what those guys around her AREN’T offering her is emotional impact and making her feel ALIVE. That’s what they’re craving right now. And you can provide that by just going out and learning to talk to women and flirt, tease, push/pull, give her the full range of emotions, escalate, fuck, etc.

Hell why are girls all obsessed with Netflix binging? Because TV and movies are designed to give them the full range of emotions that the guys in their life aren’t giving them.

Now if there’s no one providing that emotional impact shit then ya, she’ll pick one of those guys around her because in the absence of steak, a McDonald’s hamburger looks pretty good compared to a convenience store plastic-wrapped burger or starving…and that DOES happen a lot, because normal guys eject themselves out of the running of even attempting to get with girls like that because they just assume “she should be with that guy, I read a study from harvard once where people marry within 2 points of their looks range” and they don’t even TRY let alone practice getting GOOD at getting those girls, so that rich tall jacked chode doesn’t have any competition and the girl doesn’t want to starve.

…then everyone wonders why the bored rich housewife fucks the poolboy, or why that chick fucked Dan Blizerian when she was already dating a dude who bought her a Tesla to match his Tesla. It’s not because she totalled up their assets and logically compared them or because Dan has 3″ larger biceps, it’s because Dan offers the emotional impact that her boyfriend doesn’t and that’s what she’s looking for.

This is why I say guys should just focus on game now. Those other things might have been worth focusing on even up to like, 2005, before social media, Instagram, Tinder, smartphones, etc. But now? Don’t waste your time. Those things are going to go even LOWER in value because it’s not like girls are going to just suddenly not have access to orbiters or the government or all drop out of university and need someone to take care of them anytime soon.

Invest your time in maxing out your Lover attributes which are the things a guy like RSDJulien is teaching for how to game the <25yo hotties in 2015 and fill that need they're looking for a guy to fill.

Now if you want to settle and have kids, you'll need some Provider shit but 1) seriously reconsider doing that for another 10 years minimum, because right now you're walking into a shitshow culture that's working against you succeeding at that, wait for it to settle down a bit and see where it goes before you decide to take that plunge (like counting cards in blackjack and betting high when you know the deck is better), 2) expect that she'll leave around the 7-10 year mark like don't settle thinking "this will last forever", always accept that it could end at any minute and prepare yourself and your life accordingly so that you don't get too burned, and 3) maintain Hypergamy, learn everything you can about how it works and how to maintain it because giving her ALL the shit she needs (and if you legally tie yourself to her or make it so you can't just walk away at any point you'll have to consciously find ways to still create dread in her mind) is going to help keep her from E-Mailing benfromtexas etc


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“YaReally is bang on about the BB provider strategy being over abundant and lacking in Value.”

The best way I can describe it is that guys focused on lifting, money, suits, cars, etc are putting a lot of time and effort into areas that women no longer value. It’s like investing in stocks for VHS when DVDs have been released and are catching on like wildfire…there was a point where VHS was king and those stocks were worth investing in, but shit changes and you have to adapt your strategy.

This wasn’t the case in the past, that these things weren’t valuable, but society has changed in even the last 10 years. 2015 is a different beast and in this beast women have an overabundance of those attributes available to them so they’ve lost a lot of their value.

Now those things CAN be useful in that like, being in decent shape shows you take care of your body and will be able to fuck her good. But there’s no reason to worry about getting jacked, it’s irrelevant. An HB10’s social circles will already have 10 other guys bigger and more jacked and more rich than you.

I liken it to a buddy I went to Vegas with. We knew we’d be hitting pool parties so he got himself SUPER jacked. He was in retarded shape, killer body, made the rest of us look like fat walruses and beanpoles and he was super proud of it. We strolled into a pool party with him getting cocky about how he was going to get so much attention…soon as we walk in like 80% of the guys there are bigger and more jacked than him lol (’cause it’s Vegas). Dude’s state/confidence TANKED and he spent the day just drinking and looking defeated because all his hard work was a waste. My fat ass had a great time because I knew going in that my value is in expressing my personality, not competing on looks/money/etc lol

Like I get that in the old days looks and money probably DID matter, girls were looking for BB/Provider qualities and shit. But shit has changed. An HB10 is surrounded by those things and has her own money and just doesn’t NEED that stuff from men anymore. That’s WHY they call all these guys “fuckbois” now. They have a dozen jacked good-looking chode orbiters chasing them, all they want from their fuckboi is a guy who fucks their minds and bodies to give them that full range of emotions like they imagine James Deen and Christian Grey would.

Cause what those guys around her AREN’T offering her is emotional impact and making her feel ALIVE. That’s what they’re craving right now. And you can provide that by just going out and learning to talk to women and flirt, tease, push/pull, give her the full range of emotions, escalate, fuck, etc.

Hell why are girls all obsessed with Netflix binging? Because TV and movies are designed to give them the full range of emotions that the guys in their life aren’t giving them.

Now if there’s no one providing that emotional impact shit then ya, she’ll pick one of those guys around her because in the absence of steak, a McDonald’s hamburger looks pretty good compared to a convenience store plastic-wrapped burger or starving…and that DOES happen a lot, because normal guys eject themselves out of the running of even attempting to get with girls like that because they just assume “she should be with that guy, I read a study from harvard once where people marry within 2 points of their looks range” and they don’t even TRY let alone practice getting GOOD at getting those girls, so that rich tall jacked chode doesn’t have any competition and the girl doesn’t want to starve.

…then everyone wonders why the bored rich housewife fucks the poolboy, or why that chick fucked Dan Blizerian when she was already dating a dude who bought her a Tesla to match his Tesla. It’s not because she totalled up their assets and logically compared them or because Dan has 3″ larger biceps, it’s because Dan offers the emotional impact that her boyfriend doesn’t and that’s what she’s looking for.

This is why I say guys should just focus on game now. Those other things might have been worth focusing on even up to like, 2005, before social media, Instagram, Tinder, smartphones, etc. But now? Don’t waste your time. Those things are going to go even LOWER in value because it’s not like girls are going to just suddenly not have access to orbiters or the government or all drop out of university and need someone to take care of them anytime soon.

Invest your time in maxing out your Lover attributes which are the things a guy like RSDJulien is teaching for how to game the <25yo hotties in 2015 and fill that need they're looking for a guy to fill.

Now if you want to settle and have kids, you'll need some Provider shit but 1) seriously reconsider doing that for another 10 years minimum, because right now you're walking into a shitshow culture that's working against you succeeding at that, wait for it to settle down a bit and see where it goes before you decide to take that plunge (like counting cards in blackjack and betting high when you know the deck is better), 2) expect that she'll leave around the 7-10 year mark like don't settle thinking "this will last forever", always accept that it could end at any minute and prepare yourself and your life accordingly so that you don't get too burned, and 3) maintain Hypergamy, learn everything you can about how it works and how to maintain it because giving her ALL the shit she needs (and if you legally tie yourself to her or make it so you can't just walk away at any point you'll have to consciously find ways to still create dread in her mind) is going to help keep her from E-Mailing benfromtexas etc


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@scribblerg
“Cuz it was, just 5 years ago. I had a frame and understanding of sex workers that isn’t even that old, but it’s now obsolete.”
“This pace of change is unprecedented. It presents a huge challenge even for solidly Red Pill guys”

I think a lot of the pushback I get in the Manosphere is because a lot of the Manosphere doesn’t ACTUALLY go out and mack the <25yo crowd. They might go out and mack the general mid/late 20s-30s crowd and occasionally just HAPPEN to end up with a cute 20yo off OKCupid or a sugar daddy site or something, but like, they're not on the frontlines regularly hitting up young people venues and specifically aiming for this demographic.

So when I say "look, this is what's going on out there" guys think "that's not how it was a few years ago" and I can throw a bunch of data at them but it's like the webcam debate, it's changing so fast that what guys knew about that stuff just a few years ago doesn't apply anymore. But you can't KNOW that unless you're actively keeping up with it like I'm doing, so I present what's happening and it's like "no way man trust me I did a lot of research" or "look when I was macking girls or even when I was a little more immersed in the field 10 years ago, looks and money mattered" etc and I'm sitting here pulling out my hairs like "JUST GO LOOK AT THE FUCKING WEBCAM SITE AND SEE FOR YOURSELF!!!" lol

This shift is happening incredibly fast. I didn't even notice it happening and over the years I hit a few rough patches results-wise that, looking back, I realize are because this shift was happening and I just wasn't in tune with it because I didn't expect things to shift that quick. But technology changes things at an exponential rate and guys who aren't keeping up on this don't "get" it. Guys who haven't looked at a <25yo's phone in 5 years have no idea what their phones look like right now and would be mindblown by some of the shit I've seen.

That's why I'm not trying to smack-talk when I say some of you older guys (including Rollo) are pushing outdated ideas…it's just that you guys aren't out there putting your P in V's in the <25yo crowd. Even Rollo gets to hang around some of that crowd now and then, but hanging out with them and actually going from meet to sticking your dick in them just doesn't give you the full picture (because you can have a GREAT first meeting where she PROMISES to call you and is on Cloud 9 and then when you txt she's impossible to get out again because a shitload of dynamics happened that didn't used to happen but you wouldn't know about them if you weren't trying to ACTUALLY fuck her). Like you can see a tall jacked guy get a nice IOI in the moment, and that's cool, and even as early as 2005-2010 that might've been enough, but NOW once that in-person moment of interest is over, she's swallowed back into the swarm of thirsty orbiters and forgets about that guy. She doesn't run off to write in her diary about the dreamy guy she met today because she has 5 guys as good looking as that guy txting her asking her out.

This is why hitting the field is so important. If I was just some keyboard jockey making shit up I would have no idea these dynamics were going on. That's part of why I'm amped about Juliens SHIFT and PIMP products, because when I first looked at them I was like "ehhh, this seems kind of extreme, this is a bit out there, this is pushing the number close too hard, this is a little intense I don't think it's really necessary", but the reality is it's been his job to mack this crowd nightly for years all around the world and the stuff he's teaching is to counter all this bullshit going on.

Like in the past you didn't have to solidify a number too much…because girls were excited to GET a number, even when cell phones were first popular texting wasn't super common so it was exciting to get a text. You could get a number and call/txt in a week and she'd remember you and be excited when your name popped up. But now Julien's style is like "We're going to go for coffee, tomorrow, at 7pm." "Okay" "Say it." "We're going to hang out" "When?" "Tomorrow." "What time?" "7pm" "what are we doing?" "We're getting coffee" "What's my name?" "Julien" "I'm serious about tomorrow, if you're just saying you want to go for coffee because you're drunk don't worry about it we don't have to" "No no, I'm not drunk, I want to!" "I'm going to call you tomorrow afternoon" "Okay" "Say call me" "What?" "Say it" "Call me" "Like you MEAN it" "CALL ME" etc etc

And that exchange sounds CRAZY. BUT, the reality is, he knows from being out on the frontlines that while in the MOMENT he has massive value, the SECOND he's no longer interacting with her, a timer starts where within 24-48 hours it's going to be almost impossible to get her to meet up for a Day2 because she just has too many options. But by doing what he's doing there, forcing her to invest and forcing her to really solidify the timebridge etc, that helps make their plans "real" instead of just "we should totally do that!!" in-the-moment emotional-high plans.

Guys who don't go out and don't mack the <25yo crowd just don't run into this stuff as blatantly so half of what I'm saying sounds unbelievable lol

"Hell, many beta chodes have gotten the message and now get jacked."

And those guys go on Tinder and the HB6 sees that guy's jacked Tinder pics and doesn't KNOW he's a chode because she doesn't have enough experience with good-looking guys yet to know that most of them are chodes underneath (whereas the HB10 often knows that because she's around those guys more) and that guy is thirsty and she took good MySpace angles and that guy doesn't know how to cold approach girls, so they end up hooking up and now that chick has a guy way better looking or richer than you can hope to be without putting in ridiculous amounts of dedication, and he's txting her every fucking night begging to buy her dinner and begging her to come over and offering her shit to come over just for the chance to be around a girl that might touch his dick. And because she's forgotten how money you were since you met last week and those emotions have worn off and she's had 1000 txts since then and half of them are from good-looking thirsty dudes, she's forgotten all the emotions she had that night and she flakes on you even if, in the moment, you ran flawless game and she LOVED you.

MMA was the big turning point for guys getting jacked. Before that no one really gave a shit, the jacked guys were more rare. But then MMA got popular and the "lift, bro" culture started picking up momentum. Really guys overall have improved in general, Maxim articles taught them the basics of game, most guys have read a little something even if it's just some basic TRP advice or they've picked it up from a friend, guys are focusing more on making bank etc Like, men have improved dramatically compared to 10 years ago.

…but they've improved EXTERNALLY. INTERNALLY they're all fucked up, the FI has just damaged them completely and social media has destroyed their ability to cold approach or make moves in person…these guys all hide behind texting and online dating and shit, which is why right now cold approaching at the bars is killer, and phoning girls instead of texting stands out to them, because these guys are mentally whipped. You have these tall rich good-looking guys who are scared shitless to make a move on a girl who's live would be elevated into the stratosphere for getting to hang around that guy. Like Patrice O'Neal said when this radio intern chick turned down Cumia for a date "it must be nice being a woman, you're basically nothing and you get to sit in a room full of rich powerful men and a fucking millionaire offers to let you come over to his literal MANSION and you're just like "ehh well we'll see…" I can't even imagine what that must be like."

I SHOULDN'T be able to tool these guys, I SHOULDN'T be able to take girls off them or keep my girls when they come into my set, but it's easy right now because their internals are just broken.

"Remember the arguments we were having about the importance of looks to women – it’s not that this is wrong, it’s that it’s out of date. Being consciously sexually attractive as a man isn’t nearly as rare as it once was"

This. Like I get that "we got here through millions of years of evolution because of providing looks and resources" was true before, I'm not denying that. But somewhere around the dawn of social media shit started shifting at an accellerated pace. Same as how housewives USED to have to wash clothes and dishes etc by hand and now they can just hit a button and a machine does that for them, but that caused massive shifts in society. We would never bother telling a girl "learn to churn butter and wash clothes by hand", there's no point, it's not a thing men value anymore, we don't even need women to DO it we can just push the buttons on the washing machine ourselves.

"Wonder why women’s faces are constantly in their phones? They are trying to get that next tingle. How can an actual living, real man compete with that alternative nonstop?"

This comes back to my argument I've said since day one about having a nice watch or matching belt and shoes etc. If she's looking at ANY of that shit, it's because YOU'RE NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH and not making enough of an emotional impact and you need to step your game up. When you're doing it right, she won't notice any of that shit, just like when you're doing it right she won't be looking at her phone, she'll be focused on YOU.

But, back in 2005 you only had to compete with a bit of stimulus around you in the room, it wasn't that difficult. NOW you have to compete with her "streaming tingle" devices and a bunch of other shit. So you need game that makes more of an impact to stand out. You would be better off studying Julien's videos on starting drama with girls than hitting the gym because even if you get 25" biceps (no idea what a good size is lol), there will be 10 guys in the bar with 27" biceps and 10 guys on her Tinder/Instagram/etc with 30" biceps. But none of those 20 other guys knows how to make an emotional impact on her the way Julien does.

"it’s also true that women for the most part are running amok in every social setting they are in an accelerating fashion."

Yup, and why WOULDN'T they? Read my breakdown of the library webcam girl from the last comment section and it's like, that girl has NO INCENTIVE to reign it in. She's just running 100% on her feels in the moment and getting REWARDED for it by society. No one cares how fucked up she ends up because they only care about her when she's in her prime. But the legal system is set up now so that no one CAN discipline her or set boundaries without putting themselves at insane risk…the only guy who would take that risk is her dad and that's if he's even a part of the household anymore and if he's got some Rollo level oak tree internals and red pill understanding.

"Should more of us seriously consider forming stronger male enclaves and institutions and social structures that give us that higher sense of purpose? I think so."

That's why I don't give the MGTOWs shit. Ya, I get it, they should learn game instead of just checking out entirely…but at the same time, they're building a community of men that's attempting to escape the plantation and supporting eachother in it and that's a good thing. Like I've said before, I don't care HOW men get out of society's cage…PUA, MRA, TRP, Manosphere, MGTOW, whatever, just get them the fuck out and herd them off to safety and THEN we can have all the little cliques and in-fighting bullshit as people choose their path.

MSM on dating single moms: http://thoughtcatalog.com/joss-hill/2015/02/a-letter-to-the-scared-guy-dating-the-single-mom/

MGTOW on dating single moms: http://www.mgtowhq.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=104

"I was out watching the Pats game with a buddy last night and saw and spoke to three solo men at the bar, just aching for social connection. Their desolation was written all over their faces. It’s so sad how many men are utterly destroyed by this world and how many live lives of utter suffering and grief, plodding along alone without any solace or much connection to anything meaningful."

Everyone is so bored. They're tired and scared and lonely and bored. When you're in a lineup at a fast-food place, everyone will be looking down at their phone…in the past those people may have been forced to interact with eachother just because there was no other stimulus, but now there's a TV in the corner, a phone in their pocket, etc And they don't know what to do…they've made choices that they can't fix because they didn't understand the red pill when they made those choices and they're just kind of resigned to passing the time until they die. That's why they've got netflix, xbox, etc. to let themselves get lost in.

@theasdgamer
"Women are getting the message and some are getting desperate."

It's just starting…it's going to get sad and pathetic and scary soon. We're hitting the period where a shitload of women in their 30s and 40s are about to realize they aren't going to get the rich doctor who wants to raise their bastard kid like they saw in the Amy Schumer movies, and they're not going to just roll over and accept it. They are going to make up fake pregnancies/illnesses/etc hoping to hook the guy, they're going to poke holes in condoms, they're going to give BJs and run to the bathroom to spit it and shove it up their vag, they're going to shame men, lie, cheat, do ANYTHING they can to lock a man down. It's going to be a nightmare for Blue Pill men.

Even now in my mid-30s the 28+yo chicks all think I should want to be with them and can't understand why I'm not chomping at the bit to settle with them…"but don't you want a PARTNER in life??" Nah, I'm good thanks lol But when I reject them they get MAD and vengeful because in their mind they DESERVE whatever I have, it's THEIRS so if I reject them I'm stealing from them. That's part of why I avoid that age range entirely. It wasn't like that in 2005 when I was younger and they hadn't made half of their bad life decisions yet. But in 2015? Hoooooo-boy.

@IlliadsTangent
"Eden isn’t burning, men .Its burnt. This recent battle of the sexes is over and we lost .If the shoe was on the other foot and a man did that with his wife, he’d be carried out of the bar and beaten ” Way Of The Gun” style by rioting patrons."

This is part of why I just kind of roll my eyes when guys are like "you shouldn't fuck a girl with a boyfriend/husband man, he's gonna find out and then hunt you down and blow your brains out, that's what I'd do!!!!" That's not what it's like out there anymore. Guys either blame the girl for cheating (but still probably take her back), or they just sigh and accept it because they're too in scarcity to leave her. There's no real risk for her or me anymore. He's still probably going to marry her and he's going to be more mad/hurt at her than me.

@scribblerg
"We are led by fools who don’t believe in the values which gave rise to our greatness."

Check out the campus protests going on lately. They're actively fighting to LIMIT free speech and demanding segregation. It's fucking unreal to see. But life is so cushy now that they have to stir up drama just for the sake of something being different.

This happened in the mice utopia experiment too, and it's the same dynamic in a relationship where the guy is just "too nice" and the girl is craving a range of emotions. These students aren't protesting because life is hard, they're protesting because life is too easy and they're so fucking bored by it that they need to do ANYTHING to feel some kind of emotion, they want to feel outrage and passion and drive and anger and hatred and victimization etc because that's what we want as humans. That's why there's 6 Saw movies, that's why every guy in the Manosphere can quote Gladiator. We want to feel a range of emotions.

And it's the same dynamics with the girls out there…they're so bored, everyone just praises them for everything they do. Some webcam chick was singing idly as she was changing clothes and it's like you KNOW within 10 seconds SOMEONE will type in chat "wow you have an amazing singing voice you should be a professional"…she DOESN'T, she sang like shit, but sure enough a few seconds later that shit pops up and the girl gets another reinforcement that everything she does is perfect and life is wonderful. And over time that will get boring and she'll start abusing beta orbiters the way kids burn ants with a magnifying glass, just because she's venting her resentment at them for pedestalizing her and placing her in a world full of bubble wrap where she can't feel half the emotions the wants to feel because no one will tell her "holy shit you suck at singing it's a good thing you take your tits out for a living instead" which would make her fucking DAY because FINALLY someone gave her an emotional spike…even though she could never articulate any of this.

I knew a smokin hot chick who admitted she treated her friends like shit because she was desperately hoping that one of them would call her out on her bullshit and tell her she's being a bitch and yell at her, but no one would, they all just take it and praise and reward her and it tortured her internally because it's like being surrounded by yes men, you never know who you can really trust because everyone is telling you what they think you want to hear. She fucked me because I called her out on her bullshit because PUA told me to do that lol

@Andy
"We’re basically the first generation that hasn’t been conscripted for a huge war"

Like Fight Club said "We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Or Great War is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives."

@Stiver
"But the PUAs basically have conceded that all of their plates will eventually walk. Don’t try to keep them, just replace. And they all will. It’s hard for a man to get sex, but even if he can, boytoy-short term is just a much easier play than LTR."

I look at it like MRAs look to change the rules, TRP'ers look to excel at the rules, MGTOWs just don't play the game at all and avoid the rules, and PUAs learn to find loopholes to succeed within the rules. Change the rules on us and we'll just adapt and figure out the next loophole that's been created. And right now even if a guy WANTS an LTR, he's going to have a hard time getting one in the <25yo crowd. Those girls tend to view guys and being tied down etc as an inconvenience now…and sadly their male peers have been fully brainwashed to desire LTRs which just turns those girls off more (which is why they respond so well to an older man who doesn't want commitment/LTR). The roles have reversed and no one is happy but there's no way to fix it because fixing it would require "limiting women's freedom" which can't be done without insane backlash and has to be done voluntarily BY the women…which, as I've mentioned, I think will happen down the road when their aunts and sisters and friends and mothers are all living with 8 cats and crying themselves to sleep at night in their lonely beds serving as a warning to future generations of girls who will voluntarily figure out how to correct this shit.

@Scray
"Yeah. Competing against these guys is easier than you think, though. I’ve only met one of these types in my entire life experience of going out and coming up through the VIP club scene who is a bona fide Chad with good game."

Just want to remind everyone that Scray is a short dude who a few years ago didn't know his head from his ass with women. But he embraced pickup and put in a shitload of work on himself internally and externally and now he's able to say shit like this lol There's no replacement for going out and you can't understand this stuff from your computer chair. The field is king.

And being able to wield social influence/pressure can be as powerful or more powerful than being able to kick someone's ass. Everyone caves to social pressure if you can apply enough of it to them…I don't have to be able to kick your ass if I have multiple guys from the crowd stepping in to kick your ass for touching me because they like me lol No one thinks Donald Trump is going to punch them out, but he intimidates people one on one in a business setting.

You have to go out and compete with these guys in social settings to see how 99% of them are just paper tigers with a ton of external value but nothing internally. A lot of the hottest girls learn that from hanging out with them and that's why they're receptive to other types of guys.

@newlyaloof
"Any beta doubting the red pill will doubt no more once you hear how they talk when you are not around."

The funniest shit ever is knowing a <25yo's Instagram account and looking at what she posts there VS what she tells you when she doesn't realize you know her Instagram. Oh you've been missing me lately have you, does that guy you're cuddling with in your latest Instagram post miss me too? lol That french Ted talk chick linked earlier here made a good point about how NOW when someone cheats (or breaks up) we have all these resources to see exactly how little fuck they give or how shitty they act afterward, when before we could just tell ourselves "I'm sure they're as sad as I am and regret it" because we don't see the Instagram pic of them drunk in a bar making out with some other dude 2 days after they dumped you.

"If you do and ask them about it, they will flat-out lie to your face numerous times. When you state specifics of what you know, THEN they admit, but think you’re ridiculous for thinking badly about their intentions."

Yup, this. I don't even hate them for it, it's just the best strategy for them in terms of Survival & Replication to lie. They're not running on "honor" or "nobleness", they're running on solipsism. Expecting anything else is like expecting your dog to do your taxes…you're going to be disappointed and it's not entirely the dog's fault you're disappointed.


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“Cuz it was, just 5 years ago. I had a frame and understanding of sex workers that isn’t even that old, but it’s now obsolete.”
“This pace of change is unprecedented. It presents a huge challenge even for solidly Red Pill guys”

I think a lot of the pushback I get in the Manosphere is because a lot of the Manosphere doesn’t ACTUALLY go out and mack the <25yo crowd. They might go out and mack the general mid/late 20s-30s crowd and occasionally just HAPPEN to end up with a cute 20yo off OKCupid or a sugar daddy site or something, but like, they're not on the frontlines regularly hitting up young people venues and specifically aiming for this demographic.

So when I say "look, this is what's going on out there" guys think "that's not how it was a few years ago" and I can throw a bunch of data at them but it's like the webcam debate, it's changing so fast that what guys knew about that stuff just a few years ago doesn't apply anymore. But you can't KNOW that unless you're actively keeping up with it like I'm doing, so I present what's happening and it's like "no way man trust me I did a lot of research" or "look when I was macking girls or even when I was a little more immersed in the field 10 years ago, looks and money mattered" etc and I'm sitting here pulling out my hairs like "JUST GO LOOK AT THE FUCKING WEBCAM SITE AND SEE FOR YOURSELF!!!" lol

This shift is happening incredibly fast. I didn't even notice it happening and over the years I hit a few rough patches results-wise that, looking back, I realize are because this shift was happening and I just wasn't in tune with it because I didn't expect things to shift that quick. But technology changes things at an exponential rate and guys who aren't keeping up on this don't "get" it. Guys who haven't looked at a <25yo's phone in 5 years have no idea what their phones look like right now and would be mindblown by some of the shit I've seen.

That's why I'm not trying to smack-talk when I say some of you older guys (including Rollo) are pushing outdated ideas…it's just that you guys aren't out there putting your P in V's in the <25yo crowd. Even Rollo gets to hang around some of that crowd now and then, but hanging out with them and actually going from meet to sticking your dick in them just doesn't give you the full picture (because you can have a GREAT first meeting where she PROMISES to call you and is on Cloud 9 and then when you txt she's impossible to get out again because a shitload of dynamics happened that didn't used to happen but you wouldn't know about them if you weren't trying to ACTUALLY fuck her). Like you can see a tall jacked guy get a nice IOI in the moment, and that's cool, and even as early as 2005-2010 that might've been enough, but NOW once that in-person moment of interest is over, she's swallowed back into the swarm of thirsty orbiters and forgets about that guy. She doesn't run off to write in her diary about the dreamy guy she met today because she has 5 guys as good looking as that guy txting her asking her out.

This is why hitting the field is so important. If I was just some keyboard jockey making shit up I would have no idea these dynamics were going on. That's part of why I'm amped about Juliens SHIFT and PIMP products, because when I first looked at them I was like "ehhh, this seems kind of extreme, this is a bit out there, this is pushing the number close too hard, this is a little intense I don't think it's really necessary", but the reality is it's been his job to mack this crowd nightly for years all around the world and the stuff he's teaching is to counter all this bullshit going on.

Like in the past you didn't have to solidify a number too much…because girls were excited to GET a number, even when cell phones were first popular texting wasn't super common so it was exciting to get a text. You could get a number and call/txt in a week and she'd remember you and be excited when your name popped up. But now Julien's style is like "We're going to go for coffee, tomorrow, at 7pm." "Okay" "Say it." "We're going to hang out" "When?" "Tomorrow." "What time?" "7pm" "what are we doing?" "We're getting coffee" "What's my name?" "Julien" "I'm serious about tomorrow, if you're just saying you want to go for coffee because you're drunk don't worry about it we don't have to" "No no, I'm not drunk, I want to!" "I'm going to call you tomorrow afternoon" "Okay" "Say call me" "What?" "Say it" "Call me" "Like you MEAN it" "CALL ME" etc etc

And that exchange sounds CRAZY. BUT, the reality is, he knows from being out on the frontlines that while in the MOMENT he has massive value, the SECOND he's no longer interacting with her, a timer starts where within 24-48 hours it's going to be almost impossible to get her to meet up for a Day2 because she just has too many options. But by doing what he's doing there, forcing her to invest and forcing her to really solidify the timebridge etc, that helps make their plans "real" instead of just "we should totally do that!!" in-the-moment emotional-high plans.

Guys who don't go out and don't mack the <25yo crowd just don't run into this stuff as blatantly so half of what I'm saying sounds unbelievable lol

"Hell, many beta chodes have gotten the message and now get jacked."

And those guys go on Tinder and the HB6 sees that guy's jacked Tinder pics and doesn't KNOW he's a chode because she doesn't have enough experience with good-looking guys yet to know that most of them are chodes underneath (whereas the HB10 often knows that because she's around those guys more) and that guy is thirsty and she took good MySpace angles and that guy doesn't know how to cold approach girls, so they end up hooking up and now that chick has a guy way better looking or richer than you can hope to be without putting in ridiculous amounts of dedication, and he's txting her every fucking night begging to buy her dinner and begging her to come over and offering her shit to come over just for the chance to be around a girl that might touch his dick. And because she's forgotten how money you were since you met last week and those emotions have worn off and she's had 1000 txts since then and half of them are from good-looking thirsty dudes, she's forgotten all the emotions she had that night and she flakes on you even if, in the moment, you ran flawless game and she LOVED you.

MMA was the big turning point for guys getting jacked. Before that no one really gave a shit, the jacked guys were more rare. But then MMA got popular and the "lift, bro" culture started picking up momentum. Really guys overall have improved in general, Maxim articles taught them the basics of game, most guys have read a little something even if it's just some basic TRP advice or they've picked it up from a friend, guys are focusing more on making bank etc Like, men have improved dramatically compared to 10 years ago.

…but they've improved EXTERNALLY. INTERNALLY they're all fucked up, the FI has just damaged them completely and social media has destroyed their ability to cold approach or make moves in person…these guys all hide behind texting and online dating and shit, which is why right now cold approaching at the bars is killer, and phoning girls instead of texting stands out to them, because these guys are mentally whipped. You have these tall rich good-looking guys who are scared shitless to make a move on a girl who's live would be elevated into the stratosphere for getting to hang around that guy. Like Patrice O'Neal said when this radio intern chick turned down Cumia for a date "it must be nice being a woman, you're basically nothing and you get to sit in a room full of rich powerful men and a fucking millionaire offers to let you come over to his literal MANSION and you're just like "ehh well we'll see…" I can't even imagine what that must be like."

I SHOULDN'T be able to tool these guys, I SHOULDN'T be able to take girls off them or keep my girls when they come into my set, but it's easy right now because their internals are just broken.

"Remember the arguments we were having about the importance of looks to women – it’s not that this is wrong, it’s that it’s out of date. Being consciously sexually attractive as a man isn’t nearly as rare as it once was"

This. Like I get that "we got here through millions of years of evolution because of providing looks and resources" was true before, I'm not denying that. But somewhere around the dawn of social media shit started shifting at an accellerated pace. Same as how housewives USED to have to wash clothes and dishes etc by hand and now they can just hit a button and a machine does that for them, but that caused massive shifts in society. We would never bother telling a girl "learn to churn butter and wash clothes by hand", there's no point, it's not a thing men value anymore, we don't even need women to DO it we can just push the buttons on the washing machine ourselves.

"Wonder why women’s faces are constantly in their phones? They are trying to get that next tingle. How can an actual living, real man compete with that alternative nonstop?"

This comes back to my argument I've said since day one about having a nice watch or matching belt and shoes etc. If she's looking at ANY of that shit, it's because YOU'RE NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH and not making enough of an emotional impact and you need to step your game up. When you're doing it right, she won't notice any of that shit, just like when you're doing it right she won't be looking at her phone, she'll be focused on YOU.

But, back in 2005 you only had to compete with a bit of stimulus around you in the room, it wasn't that difficult. NOW you have to compete with her "streaming tingle" devices and a bunch of other shit. So you need game that makes more of an impact to stand out. You would be better off studying Julien's videos on starting drama with girls than hitting the gym because even if you get 25" biceps (no idea what a good size is lol), there will be 10 guys in the bar with 27" biceps and 10 guys on her Tinder/Instagram/etc with 30" biceps. But none of those 20 other guys knows how to make an emotional impact on her the way Julien does.

"it’s also true that women for the most part are running amok in every social setting they are in an accelerating fashion."

Yup, and why WOULDN'T they? Read my breakdown of the library webcam girl from the last comment section and it's like, that girl has NO INCENTIVE to reign it in. She's just running 100% on her feels in the moment and getting REWARDED for it by society. No one cares how fucked up she ends up because they only care about her when she's in her prime. But the legal system is set up now so that no one CAN discipline her or set boundaries without putting themselves at insane risk…the only guy who would take that risk is her dad and that's if he's even a part of the household anymore and if he's got some Rollo level oak tree internals and red pill understanding.

"Should more of us seriously consider forming stronger male enclaves and institutions and social structures that give us that higher sense of purpose? I think so."

That's why I don't give the MGTOWs shit. Ya, I get it, they should learn game instead of just checking out entirely…but at the same time, they're building a community of men that's attempting to escape the plantation and supporting eachother in it and that's a good thing. Like I've said before, I don't care HOW men get out of society's cage…PUA, MRA, TRP, Manosphere, MGTOW, whatever, just get them the fuck out and herd them off to safety and THEN we can have all the little cliques and in-fighting bullshit as people choose their path.

MSM on dating single moms: http://thoughtcatalog.com/joss-hill/2015/02/a-letter-to-the-scared-guy-dating-the-single-mom/

MGTOW on dating single moms: http://www.mgtowhq.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=104

"I was out watching the Pats game with a buddy last night and saw and spoke to three solo men at the bar, just aching for social connection. Their desolation was written all over their faces. It’s so sad how many men are utterly destroyed by this world and how many live lives of utter suffering and grief, plodding along alone without any solace or much connection to anything meaningful."

Everyone is so bored. They're tired and scared and lonely and bored. When you're in a lineup at a fast-food place, everyone will be looking down at their phone…in the past those people may have been forced to interact with eachother just because there was no other stimulus, but now there's a TV in the corner, a phone in their pocket, etc And they don't know what to do…they've made choices that they can't fix because they didn't understand the red pill when they made those choices and they're just kind of resigned to passing the time until they die. That's why they've got netflix, xbox, etc. to let themselves get lost in.

@theasdgamer
"Women are getting the message and some are getting desperate."

It's just starting…it's going to get sad and pathetic and scary soon. We're hitting the period where a shitload of women in their 30s and 40s are about to realize they aren't going to get the rich doctor who wants to raise their bastard kid like they saw in the Amy Schumer movies, and they're not going to just roll over and accept it. They are going to make up fake pregnancies/illnesses/etc hoping to hook the guy, they're going to poke holes in condoms, they're going to give BJs and run to the bathroom to spit it and shove it up their vag, they're going to shame men, lie, cheat, do ANYTHING they can to lock a man down. It's going to be a nightmare for Blue Pill men.

Even now in my mid-30s the 28+yo chicks all think I should want to be with them and can't understand why I'm not chomping at the bit to settle with them…"but don't you want a PARTNER in life??" Nah, I'm good thanks lol But when I reject them they get MAD and vengeful because in their mind they DESERVE whatever I have, it's THEIRS so if I reject them I'm stealing from them. That's part of why I avoid that age range entirely. It wasn't like that in 2005 when I was younger and they hadn't made half of their bad life decisions yet. But in 2015? Hoooooo-boy.

@IlliadsTangent
"Eden isn’t burning, men .Its burnt. This recent battle of the sexes is over and we lost .If the shoe was on the other foot and a man did that with his wife, he’d be carried out of the bar and beaten ” Way Of The Gun” style by rioting patrons."

This is part of why I just kind of roll my eyes when guys are like "you shouldn't fuck a girl with a boyfriend/husband man, he's gonna find out and then hunt you down and blow your brains out, that's what I'd do!!!!" That's not what it's like out there anymore. Guys either blame the girl for cheating (but still probably take her back), or they just sigh and accept it because they're too in scarcity to leave her. There's no real risk for her or me anymore. He's still probably going to marry her and he's going to be more mad/hurt at her than me.

@scribblerg
"We are led by fools who don’t believe in the values which gave rise to our greatness."

Check out the campus protests going on lately. They're actively fighting to LIMIT free speech and demanding segregation. It's fucking unreal to see. But life is so cushy now that they have to stir up drama just for the sake of something being different.

This happened in the mice utopia experiment too, and it's the same dynamic in a relationship where the guy is just "too nice" and the girl is craving a range of emotions. These students aren't protesting because life is hard, they're protesting because life is too easy and they're so fucking bored by it that they need to do ANYTHING to feel some kind of emotion, they want to feel outrage and passion and drive and anger and hatred and victimization etc because that's what we want as humans. That's why there's 6 Saw movies, that's why every guy in the Manosphere can quote Gladiator. We want to feel a range of emotions.

And it's the same dynamics with the girls out there…they're so bored, everyone just praises them for everything they do. Some webcam chick was singing idly as she was changing clothes and it's like you KNOW within 10 seconds SOMEONE will type in chat "wow you have an amazing singing voice you should be a professional"…she DOESN'T, she sang like shit, but sure enough a few seconds later that shit pops up and the girl gets another reinforcement that everything she does is perfect and life is wonderful. And over time that will get boring and she'll start abusing beta orbiters the way kids burn ants with a magnifying glass, just because she's venting her resentment at them for pedestalizing her and placing her in a world full of bubble wrap where she can't feel half the emotions the wants to feel because no one will tell her "holy shit you suck at singing it's a good thing you take your tits out for a living instead" which would make her fucking DAY because FINALLY someone gave her an emotional spike…even though she could never articulate any of this.

I knew a smokin hot chick who admitted she treated her friends like shit because she was desperately hoping that one of them would call her out on her bullshit and tell her she's being a bitch and yell at her, but no one would, they all just take it and praise and reward her and it tortured her internally because it's like being surrounded by yes men, you never know who you can really trust because everyone is telling you what they think you want to hear. She fucked me because I called her out on her bullshit because PUA told me to do that lol

@Andy
"We’re basically the first generation that hasn’t been conscripted for a huge war"

Like Fight Club said "We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Or Great War is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives."

@Stiver
"But the PUAs basically have conceded that all of their plates will eventually walk. Don’t try to keep them, just replace. And they all will. It’s hard for a man to get sex, but even if he can, boytoy-short term is just a much easier play than LTR."

I look at it like MRAs look to change the rules, TRP'ers look to excel at the rules, MGTOWs just don't play the game at all and avoid the rules, and PUAs learn to find loopholes to succeed within the rules. Change the rules on us and we'll just adapt and figure out the next loophole that's been created. And right now even if a guy WANTS an LTR, he's going to have a hard time getting one in the <25yo crowd. Those girls tend to view guys and being tied down etc as an inconvenience now…and sadly their male peers have been fully brainwashed to desire LTRs which just turns those girls off more (which is why they respond so well to an older man who doesn't want commitment/LTR). The roles have reversed and no one is happy but there's no way to fix it because fixing it would require "limiting women's freedom" which can't be done without insane backlash and has to be done voluntarily BY the women…which, as I've mentioned, I think will happen down the road when their aunts and sisters and friends and mothers are all living with 8 cats and crying themselves to sleep at night in their lonely beds serving as a warning to future generations of girls who will voluntarily figure out how to correct this shit.

@Scray
"Yeah. Competing against these guys is easier than you think, though. I’ve only met one of these types in my entire life experience of going out and coming up through the VIP club scene who is a bona fide Chad with good game."

Just want to remind everyone that Scray is a short dude who a few years ago didn't know his head from his ass with women. But he embraced pickup and put in a shitload of work on himself internally and externally and now he's able to say shit like this lol There's no replacement for going out and you can't understand this stuff from your computer chair. The field is king.

And being able to wield social influence/pressure can be as powerful or more powerful than being able to kick someone's ass. Everyone caves to social pressure if you can apply enough of it to them…I don't have to be able to kick your ass if I have multiple guys from the crowd stepping in to kick your ass for touching me because they like me lol No one thinks Donald Trump is going to punch them out, but he intimidates people one on one in a business setting.

You have to go out and compete with these guys in social settings to see how 99% of them are just paper tigers with a ton of external value but nothing internally. A lot of the hottest girls learn that from hanging out with them and that's why they're receptive to other types of guys.

@newlyaloof
"Any beta doubting the red pill will doubt no more once you hear how they talk when you are not around."

The funniest shit ever is knowing a <25yo's Instagram account and looking at what she posts there VS what she tells you when she doesn't realize you know her Instagram. Oh you've been missing me lately have you, does that guy you're cuddling with in your latest Instagram post miss me too? lol That french Ted talk chick linked earlier here made a good point about how NOW when someone cheats (or breaks up) we have all these resources to see exactly how little fuck they give or how shitty they act afterward, when before we could just tell ourselves "I'm sure they're as sad as I am and regret it" because we don't see the Instagram pic of them drunk in a bar making out with some other dude 2 days after they dumped you.

"If you do and ask them about it, they will flat-out lie to your face numerous times. When you state specifics of what you know, THEN they admit, but think you’re ridiculous for thinking badly about their intentions."

Yup, this. I don't even hate them for it, it's just the best strategy for them in terms of Survival & Replication to lie. They're not running on "honor" or "nobleness", they're running on solipsism. Expecting anything else is like expecting your dog to do your taxes…you're going to be disappointed and it's not entirely the dog's fault you're disappointed.


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wtf lol I mean, let us know how it works out in a couple days. Way too complicated a situation for me to guess at and being married she can ALWAYS pull the divorce card on you and fuck you over (unless you can convince her that a divorce threat holds no power over you which is the ideal but is probably something you have to build from day 1 or over a long period of time). But like, it’s OKAY for a girl to feel bad. Society has told us we have to do everything we can to make sure they never ever ever feel bad emotions or go to bed sad or angry or crying…but what happens when we actually DO provide nothing but good feels? They start their own drama or find drama at work or throw themselves into Netflix drama to get those emotions.

It’s a risky game with a marriage and legal shit and I assume kids involved etc, but like in an early LTR situ causing drama is pretty low-risk…worst case she bails for a couple months to try dating some other guy, finds out other guys are boring chodes, and comes back because you’re the movie that gives her the rollercoaster.

The big problems are when you’re either too low-value to her where you trying to lay down authority comes off as butthurt and makes you look even lower value like you’re throwing a temper tantrum, or when you’ve let her get away with crossing boundaries and being a brat for so long that what you’re doing comes off as a huge disrupting change because she’s used to 13 years of getting away with being a bitch like you’ll get WAY more resistance than when I give a girl I’ve just started seeing shit because that girl learns “ok being around this guy involves this dynamic” from her first poke at the bear so I’m not switching anything up. So there are nuances to be aware of and calibrate to.

Remember to reward her when she complies…otherwise you’re just being an asshole to her lol Like when you say “say this this and this” and even if she’s kicking and screaming all the way she DOES finally cave to your frame and do it, instead of just walking away give her a compliment like “that’s better, I like you much more when you’re sweet to me” or a kiss as you walk away. Teach her that “when you behave bad, I punish you, and when you behave good even if it’s grudgingly at first, I reward you, I don’t hold grudges and I won’t hold your behavior against you but I also won’t tolerate it…if you choose to be good then you’re welcome to be a part of my life”. Over time, just like the movies where the trouble kid resents his drill sergeant but then ends up respecting him, her brain will accept your frame.

…or she’ll divorce you. Hard to say with a 13 year history and legal ties lol

@Scray
“Yeah. That’s why I just lol when people on here or anywhere talk about web cam girls — do they know any? I do. Or how hotties who have done porn or stripped or modeled are this or that or whatever — have they slept with any? I have.”

lol this.

“But once shit gets too ‘unpredictable’ or whatever, it’s just soft Next shutdown.”

This. The problem a lot of guys have with “crazy girls” is that they get too involved in trying to stabilize the girl instead of just being able to Soft Next her until she behaves. It’s kind of the same with “bitch shields” at the bar…a lot of the girls I get are girls that other guys would be like “that girl is a huge bitch!!” But it’s like no, you just don’t know what shit-tests are or how to pass them with a grin so she reveals that sweet purring kitten underneath it all. Ya there are legit crazy bitches but like, just don’t be around them. Cut them out. If they behave, cool, let them in again, if they do crazy shit, Soft Next them, and if they do REALLY crazy shit then Hard Next them. Don’t try to fix them, don’t try to help them, don’t try to do anything for them…they LIKE being crazy lol Just set your boundaries and enforce them.

But a lot of guys will hang with the crazy chick and get involved with her and she just keeps escalating her crazy and then he’s like “man, this has gone too far, she’s insane she won’t listen to anything I say” and it’s like dude why are you still saying stuff to her at all if she’s crossed your personal limits, you should have bailed 10 crazy-moments ago wtf are you still doing with her?? lol You should have enough abundance to be able to walk away the second she drops a bomb on you that crosses too far a line for you to want to have her in your life. Otherwise you’ll end up with a Gone Girl in your life lol

“I think a place that has many different types of social circles is best. Like I can roll with cowboy-types, I can roll with MMA types, I can roll with whoever. The more scenes you’re into and the more people you connect, the better.”

Yup. I go to a variety of venues and hang with a variety of people.

@scribblerg
Fucking hard lols at that chick’s single rant holy shit lol “I don’t need you…why don’t you want to legally tie yourself to me?!?” Would probably bang though, I don’t know why everyone hates tattoos so much lol Alt/scene/rocker chicks are a nice change from normal chicks now and then.

“With the crazies, do a slow fade, don’t escalate, I’ll usually tell them I’ve met someone and want to try to make it work, apologize, whatever.”

I tell them I’m getting back with my ex…I make it convincing, I’ll “drunk txt” them from the bar a couple weeks earlier with like “oh god my ex is here lol fml” and then pretend to be busy but wanting to hang out so I can’t meet up yet and then a few days of silence and then be like “hey so this is probably retarded of me but my ex and I got to talking and we’re going to try to make it work”. They can relate to that and don’t seem to take offense to it because they HAVE exes that they’re alpha widowed from that they wish they could get back or they’ve gotten back with guys before so they understand that pull of an ex is strong, VS some “new bitch” who’s just “better” than her which could trigger some crazy. Like in her mind she can compete with some new girl who has less face time with you than her, but she knows she can’t compete with a girl you’ve got like 5 years of history with.

If I can tell the chick is crazy from the start or like I get catfished off Tinder where I know even if I bail she’s going to be txting me wanting to hang out, I’ll actually mention my (made up) breakup with my ex a few times in our first hangout so that when I say I ran into her it seems totally congruent lol

@Yollo @Dubya
Happy to have helped, congrats and good luck to you both

@Paul Murray
“As it becomes more difficult to find a man to support them, women will flood into prostitution, exposing the current image of what being a prostitute is like is basically a pack of lies. We are already seeing this: tv specials about proud, independent women making decent money.”

This. The webcam stuff alone is demonstrating that. Plus this link stuttie posted, everyone should click this:

http://www.tagthesponsor.com/home

The dynamics on display on that site literally didn’t exist 5-10 years ago (I mean, technically probably but not to this widespread level and so effortlessly), let alone 20 or 30 years ago or whenever a lot of you old guys were on the dating scene. The reason she’s not txting you back is because she’s busy txting a Dubai prince who wants to pay her $30,000 to fly her to Dubai for an all-expense paid week of selfies that earn her tons of Likes validation, free shopping trips of expensive clothing shoes and purses that make her feel baller that will earn her validation for MONTHS, and for a few hours out of that week she just has to let him take a dump on her chest and shove a fish up his ass, and the offer is tempting enough that she has to think about it and considers accepting it.

…welcome to the world we’re dealing with in 2015 lol

In other news:

I think Matt Forney is retarded (the classic big-talker about women but I’ve seen vids of him at bars and it’s like, no, plz stop pretending you’ve touched a vagina above a 5 before lol), but he should still be allowed to say whatever he wants and here we go again with the next target of SJW mob justice:

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@agent p
wtf lol I mean, let us know how it works out in a couple days. Way too complicated a situation for me to guess at and being married she can ALWAYS pull the divorce card on you and fuck you over (unless you can convince her that a divorce threat holds no power over you which is the ideal but is probably something you have to build from day 1 or over a long period of time). But like, it’s OKAY for a girl to feel bad. Society has told us we have to do everything we can to make sure they never ever ever feel bad emotions or go to bed sad or angry or crying…but what happens when we actually DO provide nothing but good feels? They start their own drama or find drama at work or throw themselves into Netflix drama to get those emotions.

It’s a risky game with a marriage and legal shit and I assume kids involved etc, but like in an early LTR situ causing drama is pretty low-risk…worst case she bails for a couple months to try dating some other guy, finds out other guys are boring chodes, and comes back because you’re the movie that gives her the rollercoaster.

The big problems are when you’re either too low-value to her where you trying to lay down authority comes off as butthurt and makes you look even lower value like you’re throwing a temper tantrum, or when you’ve let her get away with crossing boundaries and being a brat for so long that what you’re doing comes off as a huge disrupting change because she’s used to 13 years of getting away with being a bitch like you’ll get WAY more resistance than when I give a girl I’ve just started seeing shit because that girl learns “ok being around this guy involves this dynamic” from her first poke at the bear so I’m not switching anything up. So there are nuances to be aware of and calibrate to.

Remember to reward her when she complies…otherwise you’re just being an asshole to her lol Like when you say “say this this and this” and even if she’s kicking and screaming all the way she DOES finally cave to your frame and do it, instead of just walking away give her a compliment like “that’s better, I like you much more when you’re sweet to me” or a kiss as you walk away. Teach her that “when you behave bad, I punish you, and when you behave good even if it’s grudgingly at first, I reward you, I don’t hold grudges and I won’t hold your behavior against you but I also won’t tolerate it…if you choose to be good then you’re welcome to be a part of my life”. Over time, just like the movies where the trouble kid resents his drill sergeant but then ends up respecting him, her brain will accept your frame.

…or she’ll divorce you. Hard to say with a 13 year history and legal ties lol

@Scray
“Yeah. That’s why I just lol when people on here or anywhere talk about web cam girls — do they know any? I do. Or how hotties who have done porn or stripped or modeled are this or that or whatever — have they slept with any? I have.”

lol this.

“But once shit gets too ‘unpredictable’ or whatever, it’s just soft Next shutdown.”

This. The problem a lot of guys have with “crazy girls” is that they get too involved in trying to stabilize the girl instead of just being able to Soft Next her until she behaves. It’s kind of the same with “bitch shields” at the bar…a lot of the girls I get are girls that other guys would be like “that girl is a huge bitch!!” But it’s like no, you just don’t know what shit-tests are or how to pass them with a grin so she reveals that sweet purring kitten underneath it all. Ya there are legit crazy bitches but like, just don’t be around them. Cut them out. If they behave, cool, let them in again, if they do crazy shit, Soft Next them, and if they do REALLY crazy shit then Hard Next them. Don’t try to fix them, don’t try to help them, don’t try to do anything for them…they LIKE being crazy lol Just set your boundaries and enforce them.

But a lot of guys will hang with the crazy chick and get involved with her and she just keeps escalating her crazy and then he’s like “man, this has gone too far, she’s insane she won’t listen to anything I say” and it’s like dude why are you still saying stuff to her at all if she’s crossed your personal limits, you should have bailed 10 crazy-moments ago wtf are you still doing with her?? lol You should have enough abundance to be able to walk away the second she drops a bomb on you that crosses too far a line for you to want to have her in your life. Otherwise you’ll end up with a Gone Girl in your life lol

“I think a place that has many different types of social circles is best. Like I can roll with cowboy-types, I can roll with MMA types, I can roll with whoever. The more scenes you’re into and the more people you connect, the better.”

Yup. I go to a variety of venues and hang with a variety of people.

@scribblerg
Fucking hard lols at that chick’s single rant holy shit lol “I don’t need you…why don’t you want to legally tie yourself to me?!?” Would probably bang though, I don’t know why everyone hates tattoos so much lol Alt/scene/rocker chicks are a nice change from normal chicks now and then.

“With the crazies, do a slow fade, don’t escalate, I’ll usually tell them I’ve met someone and want to try to make it work, apologize, whatever.”

I tell them I’m getting back with my ex…I make it convincing, I’ll “drunk txt” them from the bar a couple weeks earlier with like “oh god my ex is here lol fml” and then pretend to be busy but wanting to hang out so I can’t meet up yet and then a few days of silence and then be like “hey so this is probably retarded of me but my ex and I got to talking and we’re going to try to make it work”. They can relate to that and don’t seem to take offense to it because they HAVE exes that they’re alpha widowed from that they wish they could get back or they’ve gotten back with guys before so they understand that pull of an ex is strong, VS some “new bitch” who’s just “better” than her which could trigger some crazy. Like in her mind she can compete with some new girl who has less face time with you than her, but she knows she can’t compete with a girl you’ve got like 5 years of history with.

If I can tell the chick is crazy from the start or like I get catfished off Tinder where I know even if I bail she’s going to be txting me wanting to hang out, I’ll actually mention my (made up) breakup with my ex a few times in our first hangout so that when I say I ran into her it seems totally congruent lol

@Yollo @Dubya
Happy to have helped, congrats and good luck to you both

@Paul Murray
“As it becomes more difficult to find a man to support them, women will flood into prostitution, exposing the current image of what being a prostitute is like is basically a pack of lies. We are already seeing this: tv specials about proud, independent women making decent money.”

This. The webcam stuff alone is demonstrating that. Plus this link stuttie posted, everyone should click this:

http://www.tagthesponsor.com/home

The dynamics on display on that site literally didn’t exist 5-10 years ago (I mean, technically probably but not to this widespread level and so effortlessly), let alone 20 or 30 years ago or whenever a lot of you old guys were on the dating scene. The reason she’s not txting you back is because she’s busy txting a Dubai prince who wants to pay her $30,000 to fly her to Dubai for an all-expense paid week of selfies that earn her tons of Likes validation, free shopping trips of expensive clothing shoes and purses that make her feel baller that will earn her validation for MONTHS, and for a few hours out of that week she just has to let him take a dump on her chest and shove a fish up his ass, and the offer is tempting enough that she has to think about it and considers accepting it.

…welcome to the world we’re dealing with in 2015 lol

In other news:

I think Matt Forney is retarded (the classic big-talker about women but I’ve seen vids of him at bars and it’s like, no, plz stop pretending you’ve touched a vagina above a 5 before lol), but he should still be allowed to say whatever he wants and here we go again with the next target of SJW mob justice:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-52148.html


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lol:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-52148-post-1164862.html#pid1164862

Roosh sez: “Getting the word out will be counterproductive as long as they dont have the media on their side, which seems to be the case. I’d just lay low for the two or three weeks that this takes to blow over. Besides them posting a couple flyers or taking paparazzi pictures, I doubt it will escalate further. ”

aka “bro, I’M the manosphere martyr, don’t steal my fuckin publicity, just lay low plz!!”

Also for anyone who wondered about the behind-the-scenes of that whole RSD Julien Blanc fiasco went down, here’s Julien explaining how and why he handled it the way he did (also a good watch for anyone, like Matt Forney should be watching this right now):

Laying low and then doing one major interview on it was all a very specific strategy (doing a bunch of interviews and going on the assault leaves too much room for mistakes and taking his words out of context, by first laying low to not fuel the flames incase it just fades out quickly and then when it wasn’t going away doing one major appearance all he has to do is ace that one interview).

And it worked, no one gives a shit about him and RSD is still a multi-mill company (they literally have a mansion for Vegas Immersion bootcamp students to live in now lol) putting out tons of content every week. There’s no groups of feminists picketing all the nightclubs to keep them out, the company isn’t about to collapse, they haven’t lost any of their customers, Julien is still doing world tours flying around the world teaching bootcamps, Alex started his own pickup company, no one gives a shit just like Tyler predicted everyone moved on after a couple of weeks.

On top of it he used all that controversy to promote his new product (which I highly recommend, Juliens SHIFT and PIMP are how to game <25yo's in 2015):

They handled that in the best possible way lol And it was all a conscious strategy.

Like I said back then, the RVF haters of RSD were just running around like chickens with their heads cut off like a bunch of drama queens. Embarrassing display from red pill men lol If they had gone on the offensive they would still be mired in drama and controversy and it would be wearing them all down. Instead it's business as usual a few months later.


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lol:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-52148-post-1164862.html#pid1164862

Roosh sez: “Getting the word out will be counterproductive as long as they dont have the media on their side, which seems to be the case. I’d just lay low for the two or three weeks that this takes to blow over. Besides them posting a couple flyers or taking paparazzi pictures, I doubt it will escalate further. ”

aka “bro, I’M the manosphere martyr, don’t steal my fuckin publicity, just lay low plz!!”

Also for anyone who wondered about the behind-the-scenes of that whole RSD Julien Blanc fiasco went down, here’s Julien explaining how and why he handled it the way he did (also a good watch for anyone, like Matt Forney should be watching this right now):

Laying low and then doing one major interview on it was all a very specific strategy (doing a bunch of interviews and going on the assault leaves too much room for mistakes and taking his words out of context, by first laying low to not fuel the flames incase it just fades out quickly and then when it wasn’t going away doing one major appearance all he has to do is ace that one interview).

And it worked, no one gives a shit about him and RSD is still a multi-mill company (they literally have a mansion for Vegas Immersion bootcamp students to live in now lol) putting out tons of content every week. There’s no groups of feminists picketing all the nightclubs to keep them out, the company isn’t about to collapse, they haven’t lost any of their customers, Julien is still doing world tours flying around the world teaching bootcamps, Alex started his own pickup company, no one gives a shit just like Tyler predicted everyone moved on after a couple of weeks.

On top of it he used all that controversy to promote his new product (which I highly recommend, Juliens SHIFT and PIMP are how to game <25yo's in 2015):

They handled that in the best possible way lol And it was all a conscious strategy.

Like I said back then, the RVF haters of RSD were just running around like chickens with their heads cut off like a bunch of drama queens. Embarrassing display from red pill men lol If they had gone on the offensive they would still be mired in drama and controversy and it would be wearing them all down. Instead it's business as usual a few months later.


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Also on the Julien Fiasco, here’s how he uses that controversy infield to get laid too, he has a full out routine for it where his buddy pretends to be someone who recognizes him and shows her the CNN footage etc (the whole video is a good video for the newbies too like averagechump and whoever else is having frustration and thinking it’s impossible to get good at this, Julien talks about his early days in the game and how much he struggled):

@hoellenhund2
“I find it hilarious that he has become a promoter of the Rooshian nonsense about “Neomasculinity” considering that he has written posts on his old blog arguing that no man should ever get married and no feminine, high-value women exist anymore in the USA.”

There are serious problems with your movement when your own members can’t even follow the tenants. I lol every time I see a thread about videogames or superhero TV shows on the RVF forum. Like, c’mon guys lol

I don’t follow Forney but what I’ve of him talking about women has just been cringeworthy. Like this:

Manosphere guys circle-jerking infield (this whole clip is just painful):

RSD guys infield (bonus points for Todd at 30s in making out with a dolled up chick in a Vegas club while he’s in sneakers and shorts and a t-shirt despite his gay voice wut wut looks lol):

RVF quote from a dude with 2500 posts: “It’s cool. As long as you don’t push any of that RSD crap, and don’t freak out during your mandatory ‘opinionated newbies trial by fire’, all will be well. But I don’t think there is a single RSD supporter that has survived yet. They pop up from time to time and get clipped pretty quickly.”

…lol

But still, Forney shouldn’t have a witch-hunt after him for his views. It’s scary how much power technology has given the mob justice crowd.


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Also on the Julien Fiasco, here’s how he uses that controversy infield to get laid too, he has a full out routine for it where his buddy pretends to be someone who recognizes him and shows her the CNN footage etc (the whole video is a good video for the newbies too like averagechump and whoever else is having frustration and thinking it’s impossible to get good at this, Julien talks about his early days in the game and how much he struggled):

@hoellenhund2
“I find it hilarious that he has become a promoter of the Rooshian nonsense about “Neomasculinity” considering that he has written posts on his old blog arguing that no man should ever get married and no feminine, high-value women exist anymore in the USA.”

There are serious problems with your movement when your own members can’t even follow the tenants. I lol every time I see a thread about videogames or superhero TV shows on the RVF forum. Like, c’mon guys lol

I don’t follow Forney but what I’ve of him talking about women has just been cringeworthy. Like this:

Manosphere guys circle-jerking infield (this whole clip is just painful):

RSD guys infield (bonus points for Todd at 30s in making out with a dolled up chick in a Vegas club while he’s in sneakers and shorts and a t-shirt despite his gay voice wut wut looks lol):

RVF quote from a dude with 2500 posts: “It’s cool. As long as you don’t push any of that RSD crap, and don’t freak out during your mandatory ‘opinionated newbies trial by fire’, all will be well. But I don’t think there is a single RSD supporter that has survived yet. They pop up from time to time and get clipped pretty quickly.”

…lol

But still, Forney shouldn’t have a witch-hunt after him for his views. It’s scary how much power technology has given the mob justice crowd.


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@Matt
“but it will significantly increase the chances of marrying an alpha widow. Every year after 30 for a man increases the chance he’s marrying an AW”

…wut? No YOU wait, but you still date bang and settle with the <25yo girls lol Personally I think somewhere in the 23-25 range is best. They're not as retarded as the <23yo's but haven't started down the jaded "my life isn't turning out how I thought it would" cynicism/depression the 26+yo's hit. So you have the same chance of ending up with an AW at 40 as you did at 30 or 25 because you're still going for the same girls.

"unless of course, you become her apex alpha as rollo has previously described"

Ideally 10 more years of self-development and experience with handling women makes that easier.

"If male smv has the capacity to reach its peak by 35 or so, what factor is really causing this."

Internals. Groundedness, strength of your frame, comfort with yourself, comfort with women/others, sense of entitlement, having and knowing how to enforce your boundaries, etc.

I hit up kiddie nightclubs and the major difference between the boys there and me is that they just don't have solid internals yet because they don't have any life experience. It's that squirrels VS the oak tree thing, it comes through in all their subcommunications.

Compare Cruise to this prank guy:

Doesn't threaten him, doesn't get aggressive, doesn't puff his chest. He just holds an INCREDIBLY strong frame and turns this guy (who's bigger than him) into a small ashamed child trying to shuffle off with his tail between his legs and Tom doesn't even let him go, he makes him come back. Not through force, not through physical means, just sheer dominant frame.

Sean Connery obliterating a shit-test by holding his frame:

That's what age and life experience gives you that makes you a boss in your later years. Younger guys very rarely have that (maybe Corey Worthington lol).

Guys don't really pick up on these subcomms because we tend to look at surface level communication…like in the moment we kind of "get" that "oh that was boss", but girls learn from a very young age to spot all these little things that tell them the guy is a boss because being able to spot those signals is the difference between reproducing with a legit solid alpha and reproducing with a paper tiger alpha (the good-looking rich chodes) and reproducing with a beta chode.

Like if it's career, then why does this chick go fuck Blizerian when she's got a guy who bought her a Tesla? (both guys are in their 30s, both are good-looking, both are rich, etc):

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/11/#comment-rationalmale-126903

Because it's about the emotional impact you give them. And a man with a dominant strong sexual adventurous frame who fucks a girl in his flip-flops gives her more emotions than the rich chodey CEO who buys her gifts.

Even you, you're doing exactly what I said about how guys "tend to look at the surface level". You're looking at external attributes: "well your looks are such and such, so if you have money then such and such" and looking for how to keep attraction long-term based on those external attributes and glossing over internal attributes entirely. Internals are almost a foreign language to men…when guys say "go join an MMA gym, go hunt and eat a dear, go climb a mountain" what they're actually saying is "develop stronger internals" but they don't know how to articulate that, they just know that often those activities can help a man do that (even though that doesn't really help with meeting women because they still have to understand how to express those benefits they got from climbing the mountain).

"If male smv has the capacity to reach its peak by 35"

Man…you all know I hate to get controversial and all (lol), but I would actually modify Rollo's chart in 2015…The men's side, I would stretch it out so that it's a 10 at 38 and still a 10 at 45 and like, an 8 at 50 and a 4 at maybe 55-60, somewhere in there.

The dynamic is no longer "creepy run-down old man hitting on girls who he has to bribe to stick around". The dynamic has shifted, especially with all these "Silver Foxes" in mainstream movies being badass alphas, from Clooney to Neeson to Ford etc The <25yo crowd LOVES older men now. I've met a bunch who like, their Tinder search settings don't even start until age 30 for the men they're looking at, and when I say my age girls drop that they've dated OLDER than me etc.

There is value now in just being OLD (in a cool way like a Hank Moody (who's in his 50s now btw but his character on the show is attractive to young chicks as the sexy older man fantasy) not a Bob from accounting who let himself go way). Hit the gym if you're older, but more for your general health…the girls can find a better 6-pack and more jacked muscles on their peers than you'll have hitting the gym at 55 but if you're at least in decent shape you're showing that "hey I take care of myself and will be around for a while and won't have a heart attack when we fuck and have discipline" etc which helps an older man stay high value.

In the 80s I remember TONS of "hair club for men" commercials of guys dying their grey hair, it was embarrassing to be old…that was when the current SMV chart for men was probably more accurate. But now? You never see those commercials. Now girls LOOK for grey hair and LOVE it. My young hairdresser and the girls at that salon tell me every time I mention that I'm starting to get some grey that I'm not allowed to dye it because they all love grey hair…it would make them money to sell me on dying it lol

Ben Affleck is 43 and full grey hair and beard and when Batman comes out girls are going to be on the hunt for older men lol

And with girls making their own money and having these huge armies of orbiters in real life and all across their social media, they just don't value Providers as much, so a guy who's 45 and doesn't have much money but is a badass, that guy is still attractive to them because they aren't looking to him for money like they did 10-20+ years ago. Even the cuckold thing is "I already have a guy for money, that's fine, I want someone to fuck me like James Deen".

@scribblerg
"Liz makes an important and relevant observation. Any woman can now try out prostitution by putting an ad up on Backpage – no pimp required. Get a hotel room at a Super 8 for the day and boom, she’s in business."

I can't imagine a scenario where a girl chooses to do that over a webcam. If she's making under $100 an hour as a live prostitute complete with MASSIVE amounts of danger and worrying about being arrested or murdered and having to touch creepy gross guys and shit, why not just set up a webcam in the safety of her home. She doesn't even have to show her face on it and can wear wigs etc.

Unless she just like, enjoys the fantasy of it, or just doesn't KNOW about webcams.

When I'm at stripclubs now I actually wonder the same thing about the rippers there…like why are you doing this, why don't you just get a webcam lol Maybe I'll ask them sometime.

"The other relevant economic concept is the idea of substitutes/alternatives. Camgirls are a real alternative for getting off so some guys will do that instead if the price of pros goes higher."

Tellin ya, VR headsets are gonna change the fuckin world. They're already on the way to being mass-affordable. Once they get the sex toy shit that already works but just isn't perfected and mass produced yet (see that documentary from Rollo's post on sex bots where they dabble with these technologies), and it won't take long they have the power of thousands of virgins who have nothing else to do but figure this shit out and you KNOW Japan is gonna be at the forefront of that shit lol, and the fantasy becomes real enough that a girl fucking a dildo with a POV VR cam looks and feels enough like she's fucking you, shit is gonna CHANGE in society. It's going to be like nothing we can imagine. Like why would a guy go find a hooker that might have STDs and rip them off and stab them with a heroin needle or get arrested or seen by a friend etc etc when they can just pull out the VR-Fuck2000 and do something that fools their senses enough to satisfy their urges. Why would they even go to a bar??

But women won't be able to get off the same way, because they need more than just a pump motion otherwise those "fucking machines" would've put men out of business already lol

On the plus side that VR-sex shit will probably reduce the number of school shootings lol

"When I think about it, this may be the best thing Beta guys could do to turn the tables on women. Imagine that the current shrinking supply of these guys up and disappeared, that like every guy who wasn’t getting “desire” from women just fucked pros?"

What if all those guys just fucked their VR-sex webcam girls in the privacy of their own home. Maybe bars will just be full of women desperately hoping a man walks in? Who knows, who can predict THAT shit lol There's a reason Tinder took off though, it's a LOT easier to go on Tinder than to go cold approach a girl in a bar.


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“but it will significantly increase the chances of marrying an alpha widow. Every year after 30 for a man increases the chance he’s marrying an AW”

…wut? No YOU wait, but you still date bang and settle with the <25yo girls lol Personally I think somewhere in the 23-25 range is best. They're not as retarded as the <23yo's but haven't started down the jaded "my life isn't turning out how I thought it would" cynicism/depression the 26+yo's hit. So you have the same chance of ending up with an AW at 40 as you did at 30 or 25 because you're still going for the same girls.

"unless of course, you become her apex alpha as rollo has previously described"

Ideally 10 more years of self-development and experience with handling women makes that easier.

"If male smv has the capacity to reach its peak by 35 or so, what factor is really causing this."

Internals. Groundedness, strength of your frame, comfort with yourself, comfort with women/others, sense of entitlement, having and knowing how to enforce your boundaries, etc.

I hit up kiddie nightclubs and the major difference between the boys there and me is that they just don't have solid internals yet because they don't have any life experience. It's that squirrels VS the oak tree thing, it comes through in all their subcommunications.

Compare Cruise to this prank guy:

Doesn't threaten him, doesn't get aggressive, doesn't puff his chest. He just holds an INCREDIBLY strong frame and turns this guy (who's bigger than him) into a small ashamed child trying to shuffle off with his tail between his legs and Tom doesn't even let him go, he makes him come back. Not through force, not through physical means, just sheer dominant frame.

Sean Connery obliterating a shit-test by holding his frame:

That's what age and life experience gives you that makes you a boss in your later years. Younger guys very rarely have that (maybe Corey Worthington lol).

Guys don't really pick up on these subcomms because we tend to look at surface level communication…like in the moment we kind of "get" that "oh that was boss", but girls learn from a very young age to spot all these little things that tell them the guy is a boss because being able to spot those signals is the difference between reproducing with a legit solid alpha and reproducing with a paper tiger alpha (the good-looking rich chodes) and reproducing with a beta chode.

Like if it's career, then why does this chick go fuck Blizerian when she's got a guy who bought her a Tesla? (both guys are in their 30s, both are good-looking, both are rich, etc):

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/11/#comment-rationalmale-126903

Because it's about the emotional impact you give them. And a man with a dominant strong sexual adventurous frame who fucks a girl in his flip-flops gives her more emotions than the rich chodey CEO who buys her gifts.

Even you, you're doing exactly what I said about how guys "tend to look at the surface level". You're looking at external attributes: "well your looks are such and such, so if you have money then such and such" and looking for how to keep attraction long-term based on those external attributes and glossing over internal attributes entirely. Internals are almost a foreign language to men…when guys say "go join an MMA gym, go hunt and eat a dear, go climb a mountain" what they're actually saying is "develop stronger internals" but they don't know how to articulate that, they just know that often those activities can help a man do that (even though that doesn't really help with meeting women because they still have to understand how to express those benefits they got from climbing the mountain).

"If male smv has the capacity to reach its peak by 35"

Man…you all know I hate to get controversial and all (lol), but I would actually modify Rollo's chart in 2015…The men's side, I would stretch it out so that it's a 10 at 38 and still a 10 at 45 and like, an 8 at 50 and a 4 at maybe 55-60, somewhere in there.

The dynamic is no longer "creepy run-down old man hitting on girls who he has to bribe to stick around". The dynamic has shifted, especially with all these "Silver Foxes" in mainstream movies being badass alphas, from Clooney to Neeson to Ford etc The <25yo crowd LOVES older men now. I've met a bunch who like, their Tinder search settings don't even start until age 30 for the men they're looking at, and when I say my age girls drop that they've dated OLDER than me etc.

There is value now in just being OLD (in a cool way like a Hank Moody (who's in his 50s now btw but his character on the show is attractive to young chicks as the sexy older man fantasy) not a Bob from accounting who let himself go way). Hit the gym if you're older, but more for your general health…the girls can find a better 6-pack and more jacked muscles on their peers than you'll have hitting the gym at 55 but if you're at least in decent shape you're showing that "hey I take care of myself and will be around for a while and won't have a heart attack when we fuck and have discipline" etc which helps an older man stay high value.

In the 80s I remember TONS of "hair club for men" commercials of guys dying their grey hair, it was embarrassing to be old…that was when the current SMV chart for men was probably more accurate. But now? You never see those commercials. Now girls LOOK for grey hair and LOVE it. My young hairdresser and the girls at that salon tell me every time I mention that I'm starting to get some grey that I'm not allowed to dye it because they all love grey hair…it would make them money to sell me on dying it lol

Ben Affleck is 43 and full grey hair and beard and when Batman comes out girls are going to be on the hunt for older men lol

And with girls making their own money and having these huge armies of orbiters in real life and all across their social media, they just don't value Providers as much, so a guy who's 45 and doesn't have much money but is a badass, that guy is still attractive to them because they aren't looking to him for money like they did 10-20+ years ago. Even the cuckold thing is "I already have a guy for money, that's fine, I want someone to fuck me like James Deen".

@scribblerg
"Liz makes an important and relevant observation. Any woman can now try out prostitution by putting an ad up on Backpage – no pimp required. Get a hotel room at a Super 8 for the day and boom, she’s in business."

I can't imagine a scenario where a girl chooses to do that over a webcam. If she's making under $100 an hour as a live prostitute complete with MASSIVE amounts of danger and worrying about being arrested or murdered and having to touch creepy gross guys and shit, why not just set up a webcam in the safety of her home. She doesn't even have to show her face on it and can wear wigs etc.

Unless she just like, enjoys the fantasy of it, or just doesn't KNOW about webcams.

When I'm at stripclubs now I actually wonder the same thing about the rippers there…like why are you doing this, why don't you just get a webcam lol Maybe I'll ask them sometime.

"The other relevant economic concept is the idea of substitutes/alternatives. Camgirls are a real alternative for getting off so some guys will do that instead if the price of pros goes higher."

Tellin ya, VR headsets are gonna change the fuckin world. They're already on the way to being mass-affordable. Once they get the sex toy shit that already works but just isn't perfected and mass produced yet (see that documentary from Rollo's post on sex bots where they dabble with these technologies), and it won't take long they have the power of thousands of virgins who have nothing else to do but figure this shit out and you KNOW Japan is gonna be at the forefront of that shit lol, and the fantasy becomes real enough that a girl fucking a dildo with a POV VR cam looks and feels enough like she's fucking you, shit is gonna CHANGE in society. It's going to be like nothing we can imagine. Like why would a guy go find a hooker that might have STDs and rip them off and stab them with a heroin needle or get arrested or seen by a friend etc etc when they can just pull out the VR-Fuck2000 and do something that fools their senses enough to satisfy their urges. Why would they even go to a bar??

But women won't be able to get off the same way, because they need more than just a pump motion otherwise those "fucking machines" would've put men out of business already lol

On the plus side that VR-sex shit will probably reduce the number of school shootings lol

"When I think about it, this may be the best thing Beta guys could do to turn the tables on women. Imagine that the current shrinking supply of these guys up and disappeared, that like every guy who wasn’t getting “desire” from women just fucked pros?"

What if all those guys just fucked their VR-sex webcam girls in the privacy of their own home. Maybe bars will just be full of women desperately hoping a man walks in? Who knows, who can predict THAT shit lol There's a reason Tinder took off though, it's a LOT easier to go on Tinder than to go cold approach a girl in a bar.


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@Rollo
“After my Vegas commercial shoot escapade last month I’m inclined to agree with you.”

FIELD EXPERIENCE IS KING.

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“After my Vegas commercial shoot escapade last month I’m inclined to agree with you.”

FIELD EXPERIENCE IS KING.

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@IAS
Don’t do it. They’re starting to venture into more “show the audience” style filming:

They may or may not do more of these, but I wouldn’t chance it either way especially as a married guy. The good information will probably get posted on YouTube anyway. The only reason to go to a Free Tour is to maybe find some wingmen but even then you have the risk of having your face shown so that’s a no-go as far as I’m concerned.

@scribblerg
Thanks for that link (I probably wouldn’t have seen it because of course no news sites are reporting it, ’cause no one cares about when the guy defends himself or is proven innocent, everyone just wants to tear off some flesh and move on). Perfect handling of the situation. This person’s post is a great fast summary of all the bullshit accusations:

https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesDeen/comments/3vur36/industry_vet_gives_his_thoughts_on_james_deen_as/

He’ll probably be fine, but what a time we live in. This is why you don’t want your face in a free tour video lol

@theadsgamer
“Betas are creepy guys.”

@Andy
“I’ve dated the type of girls in the age group that I’ve always wanted now in my 30’s than I was ever able to pull off in my younger days. I can only imagine this getting even better as I age and my game improves.”

I absolutely did NOT ever expect it to be this way. Back in 2005 old guys were still creepy old guys. I was mid-20s and felt too old to be in some of the venues. I worried about turning 30 and didn’t know what to do when that happened. Then society shifted as I went and now I get better response than I did back then. I don’t even HAVE to do anything in the kiddie venues, I can just go in there and look old and some girls will come open me or stand near me hoping I open them JUST because I’m older than all the other guys there and look comfortable (instead of nervous that I’m too old to be in there). They don’t even believe me when I tell them my age and it’s not because I’m just super young and ripped lol, it’s because I don’t give off a lame vibe like other guys my age do in those environments.

It’s like I describe in detail here about older men:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/6/#comment-heartiste-574707

@Dutchman
“How would somebody like Julien Blanc do if you could put them in a time machine to go back to, like, 1948?”

Same way he fucks shy girls or girls in the daytime where things are more reserved or girls with judgemental friends etc Calibrate to situation, tone some shit down, keep the core concepts, and be discrete. It’s no big deal…he wouldn’t even need to do much because the bar would be set so low. Like if I had kids and went to some little league game with a bunch of single moms I wouldn’t have to do anything real significant to attract them, the bar is set so low, just be 1% cooler than their husbands and be discrete because there’s probably some judgement in that crowd.

A PUA should be able to calibrate and adapt his game to what’s happening, that’s social savvy. Like that vid I posted of Manosphere guys creeping some girls out in a bar, the guy holding the camera should have put the camera down the INSTANT their body language stiffened up and the girl raised her hand. Clearly she doesn’t want to be caught on cam, maybe she’s there looking to cheat on her husband, maybe she has privacy issues, maybe she doesn’t feel like she looks hot enough that day to end up on YouTube, maybe she thinks he’s a weirdo who’s going to jack off to his camera footage of her later, who the fuck knows, it doesn’t matter. The point is that he should have INSTANTLY pulled that camera down and let her know cool we don’t have to record this I’m just making a travel video and calibrated and moved forward.

Instead he just kept plowing it, zero calibration, and burned that shit to the ground. Then of course he goes and tells the other guys that those girls have “issues”. They don’t have issues, you have shitty calibration. And of course in the comment section on that YouTube vid is someone saying “Those NYC bitches man, they’re everywhere!” or some shit and it’s like no, they weren’t bitches, you ran shitty game and deserved the reaction you got from them and you absolutely could have turned that around if you had calibrated.

Also note that he grabbed the good-looking cowboy dude and tried to bring him over and the girls still weren’t having it (and he’s STILL pointing the camera at them, like wtf dude), even though he’s offering a tall jacked good-looking guy who’s done all this epic shit:

This dude is tall good-looking in good shape and has basically lived some kind of epic Indiana Jones adventure lifestyle shit (just like all the “kill a deer with your bare hands” guys recommend doing), but in that moment those chicks gave zero fucks about having a chance to meet him because buddy on camera didn’t read the social cues.

So ya, my point is that being able to calibrate is a HUGE part of game. Whether you’re gaming in a church in Wisconson or a nightclub in Vegas, you should be able to tweak how your game comes out, while still following the core principles of what works.

@scribblerg
“she got past my defenses with two factors. First, she’s incredibly hot”

Fucking lol’ed. Happens to us all :)

“Second, she flattered me quite heavily, in a way few other women have. This deflected me from the other signals that were showing up.”

That’s what she HAS to do. She needs to lock a guy down soon and she’s much better at this shit than guys are at spotting it because we are retarded and think with our boners and we WANT her to be amazing so we convince ourselves she is and ignore a bunch of warning signs. A chick who’s like, 23 or 25 might not play the same kind of strategy ’cause she’s still young. But past 27 and ESPECIALLY past 30, it’s walking into a fucking minefield camouflaged to look like a bouncy castle.

“i handled this without a speck of emotional upset or personalizing it as a failure, but without what I learned here she’s the kind of girl who would have ground me to dust for months of agony in the past.”

That’s progress and a step up from a lot of guys who would get sucked into that spiderweb, celebrate that shit. There’s another girl who looks just like her around the corner lol


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Don’t do it. They’re starting to venture into more “show the audience” style filming:

They may or may not do more of these, but I wouldn’t chance it either way especially as a married guy. The good information will probably get posted on YouTube anyway. The only reason to go to a Free Tour is to maybe find some wingmen but even then you have the risk of having your face shown so that’s a no-go as far as I’m concerned.

@scribblerg
Thanks for that link (I probably wouldn’t have seen it because of course no news sites are reporting it, ’cause no one cares about when the guy defends himself or is proven innocent, everyone just wants to tear off some flesh and move on). Perfect handling of the situation. This person’s post is a great fast summary of all the bullshit accusations:

https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesDeen/comments/3vur36/industry_vet_gives_his_thoughts_on_james_deen_as/

He’ll probably be fine, but what a time we live in. This is why you don’t want your face in a free tour video lol

@theadsgamer
“Betas are creepy guys.”

@Andy
“I’ve dated the type of girls in the age group that I’ve always wanted now in my 30’s than I was ever able to pull off in my younger days. I can only imagine this getting even better as I age and my game improves.”

I absolutely did NOT ever expect it to be this way. Back in 2005 old guys were still creepy old guys. I was mid-20s and felt too old to be in some of the venues. I worried about turning 30 and didn’t know what to do when that happened. Then society shifted as I went and now I get better response than I did back then. I don’t even HAVE to do anything in the kiddie venues, I can just go in there and look old and some girls will come open me or stand near me hoping I open them JUST because I’m older than all the other guys there and look comfortable (instead of nervous that I’m too old to be in there). They don’t even believe me when I tell them my age and it’s not because I’m just super young and ripped lol, it’s because I don’t give off a lame vibe like other guys my age do in those environments.

It’s like I describe in detail here about older men:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/6/#comment-heartiste-574707

@Dutchman
“How would somebody like Julien Blanc do if you could put them in a time machine to go back to, like, 1948?”

Same way he fucks shy girls or girls in the daytime where things are more reserved or girls with judgemental friends etc Calibrate to situation, tone some shit down, keep the core concepts, and be discrete. It’s no big deal…he wouldn’t even need to do much because the bar would be set so low. Like if I had kids and went to some little league game with a bunch of single moms I wouldn’t have to do anything real significant to attract them, the bar is set so low, just be 1% cooler than their husbands and be discrete because there’s probably some judgement in that crowd.

A PUA should be able to calibrate and adapt his game to what’s happening, that’s social savvy. Like that vid I posted of Manosphere guys creeping some girls out in a bar, the guy holding the camera should have put the camera down the INSTANT their body language stiffened up and the girl raised her hand. Clearly she doesn’t want to be caught on cam, maybe she’s there looking to cheat on her husband, maybe she has privacy issues, maybe she doesn’t feel like she looks hot enough that day to end up on YouTube, maybe she thinks he’s a weirdo who’s going to jack off to his camera footage of her later, who the fuck knows, it doesn’t matter. The point is that he should have INSTANTLY pulled that camera down and let her know cool we don’t have to record this I’m just making a travel video and calibrated and moved forward.

Instead he just kept plowing it, zero calibration, and burned that shit to the ground. Then of course he goes and tells the other guys that those girls have “issues”. They don’t have issues, you have shitty calibration. And of course in the comment section on that YouTube vid is someone saying “Those NYC bitches man, they’re everywhere!” or some shit and it’s like no, they weren’t bitches, you ran shitty game and deserved the reaction you got from them and you absolutely could have turned that around if you had calibrated.

Also note that he grabbed the good-looking cowboy dude and tried to bring him over and the girls still weren’t having it (and he’s STILL pointing the camera at them, like wtf dude), even though he’s offering a tall jacked good-looking guy who’s done all this epic shit:

This dude is tall good-looking in good shape and has basically lived some kind of epic Indiana Jones adventure lifestyle shit (just like all the “kill a deer with your bare hands” guys recommend doing), but in that moment those chicks gave zero fucks about having a chance to meet him because buddy on camera didn’t read the social cues.

So ya, my point is that being able to calibrate is a HUGE part of game. Whether you’re gaming in a church in Wisconson or a nightclub in Vegas, you should be able to tweak how your game comes out, while still following the core principles of what works.

@scribblerg
“she got past my defenses with two factors. First, she’s incredibly hot”

Fucking lol’ed. Happens to us allπŸ™‚

“Second, she flattered me quite heavily, in a way few other women have. This deflected me from the other signals that were showing up.”

That’s what she HAS to do. She needs to lock a guy down soon and she’s much better at this shit than guys are at spotting it because we are retarded and think with our boners and we WANT her to be amazing so we convince ourselves she is and ignore a bunch of warning signs. A chick who’s like, 23 or 25 might not play the same kind of strategy ’cause she’s still young. But past 27 and ESPECIALLY past 30, it’s walking into a fucking minefield camouflaged to look like a bouncy castle.

“i handled this without a speck of emotional upset or personalizing it as a failure, but without what I learned here she’s the kind of girl who would have ground me to dust for months of agony in the past.”

That’s progress and a step up from a lot of guys who would get sucked into that spiderweb, celebrate that shit. There’s another girl who looks just like her around the corner lol


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My bomb drop for the day lol work is picking up again so my free time will be limited soon.

@Klem
Haven’t seen The Program, I’m done with online/internet game. It’s been flooded with chodes and cold approach gets me way better reception in 2015 where everyone else is relying on online shit to talk to girls.

@bluepillprofessor
lol glad it helped. Google how to choke safely, you can do serious damage if you’re just winging it.

@averagechump
“Do you think they’re not important because (1) in a given venue, or out on the street, there will always be a guy just as good looking and wealthy as you? – or (2) because women deep down really do not care about these things?”

You want to get laid. You see two girls that you KNOW you can get. One is dressed frumpy in a turtleneck sweater with closed off body-language, no makeup, hair in a plain ponytail, frowning, sitting in a corner by herself not talking to anyone. The other girl is in a slutty red dress done up and flirting with you aggressively staring you in the eyes with that “fuck me” look etc.

Which girl do you go for? The second one. Because her externals signal to you “she is probably going to be easier to fuck and a better lay than that other girl who looks like she’ll be a lot of work to get to loosen up and fuck and I just want the easy/fun lay.” You probably don’t even NOTICE the shy quiet plain jane girl in the corner once that red dress girl walks in the room.

That’s what looks are to a girl. An indicator that the person IS MORE LIKELY TO HAVE alpha qualities that are attractive to her. It’s MORE LIKELY that the 6’4″ jacked rich CEO is going to be an alpha boss dominant in bed leader of men etc etc than the plain normal looking dude or the short/chubby/etc guy. So that guy pings on her radar and she gravitates towards him because his externals indicate that he’s likely to have those alpha traits she’s on the hunt for.

Makes sense, right? Same way you would go to a police officer for help or someone in a surgeon’s garb for medical help.

Now imagine you try macking that red dress girl and as you get to know her you find out that she’s actually a super religious virgin who refuses to have sex before marriage. Or she’ll have sex but she’s had sex with 400 guys already. Or she’ll give blowjobs but she won’t let you fuck her because like, her vagina is riddled with AIDS or something lol The point being she doesn’t live up to her externals.

How disappointed would you be? Very, right? Because she was SUPPOSED to, based on her externals, have the qualities you were looking for (being easy to fuck and a good lay).

That’s what it’s like for a girl when a good-looking guy turns out to be a paper tiger chode. But at first glance he was attractive just like the red dress girl was to you, because their externals subcommunicated that they were MORE LIKELY to have the attributes you’re looking for…you didn’t know they didn’t live up to that image until you interacted with them.

In fact, you would be MORE disappointed that the red dress girl turned out to be a shitty lay because she had external indicators that you read into thinking she would be one so you’re more let down than you would be if the shy mousey girl turned out to be a bad lay because you expect that of her…in fact it would SURPRISE you and throw you for a loop if the mousey girl turned out to be an amazing lay that rocks your world. The default level you expect from the red dress girl, being provided by the mousey girl, would gain the mousey girl MASSIVE points.

That’s what it’s like when the average dude turns out to have game. He gets more points because no one expects it of him based on his externals. And when a good-looking guy who “should” have game doesn’t, he gets even HARSHER point loss because he was “supposed” to be good based on his externals.

Now you may even fuck the red dress girl and get that shitty blowjob and then be like “ugh, I’m not calling her again” and ignore her texts etc in the future…until you go out and no girls will talk to you except ugly fat chicks and she’s txting you saying “let me take you to dinner” or “come over tonight I have booze please come over I want to see you so bad just come over for an hour you’re so hot I want to see you tonight” etc. Then you’re like “…welllllll it’s better than going home alone.” and you’re off to fuck your orbiter.

That’s what it’s like for girls. YOU won’t approach them at the bar, or you approach them and half-ass your pickup and don’t push for the pull and lay that night, and their phone fills up with all these dudes and no one else is approaching them because guys are chickenshit now, so it’s like, what’s she supposed to do, go home to her vibrator? She may not even LIKE the guy but, well, you didn’t step up because you were in a corner using your engineer brain to calculate why you don’t deserve her and why she wouldn’t think you’re attractive and what the inch-difference in your biceps is from the tall jacked guy beside you lol

Make sense?

Here’s the best way to describe it and this is for Rollo too ’cause of the fireman calendar thing: If muscles are inherently attractive, what do girls picture those firemen in that calendar doing in their fantasy? Do they picture those guys shuffling around with their head down, shoulders hunched, stuttering and asking permission to take off their bra? No. They picture those guys throwing them over their shoulder and manhandling them and fucking them James Deen style. But why? If the muscles themselves are what’s attractive and women are visual like men, then it shouldn’t matter what those guys are doing, they should just BE attractive. If we see an HB10 gorgeous girl it doesn’t matter what she’s doing, we’re attracted.

But for girls, that fireman body is signalling to them that “these guys are LIKELY to throw you around the bedroom and manhandle you” (but might not if you actually met them). Seth Rogan or Michael Cera don’t signal that, so no one wants their calendar. But James Deen doesn’t have a much better body than Michael Cera, and girls are attracted to him because from his porn they’ve seen him DEMONSTRATE the alpha dominant sexual qualities that the firemen’s externals signal that they are likely to have.

You can learn to give off the same subcomms that are attractive without the externals. You can be a leader of men, you can build preselection and social proof, you can be dominant, you can lead the interaction, you can be sexual, you can escalate, etc these are all behaviors you can learn to do without spending a minute in a gym.

NOBODY thinks this guy’s subcomms are sexy (11:38 in this vid), it doesn’t matter if after the show he goes to the gym and gets himself jacked like a fireman, at BEST he’d get laid and then the girl would never ever call him again (unless averagechump doesn’t approach her and rock her world with his sick game lol):

But when you have your subcomms down despite your externals (this girl at 7:40 thinks he’s so high-value from all the little subcomms he’s given off that he’s just taking her number “to be nice”, she doesn’t think she deserves him and he has to correct her and make a hard statement of interest):

Last night my buddy and I hit a kiddie pretend-higher-end nightclub venue (not REALLY high-end because there was no actual dress code it’s just a venue where everything is expensive and all the girls doll up and lots of the guys do themselves up, a girl actually told me her purse was probably worth more than my car…joke’s on you, I don’t have a car lol). Two girls said I was a *10* and a third girl kept feeling up my bicep. I haven’t worked out in like a year, my arm is just flab lol and I’m not quite the fattest I’ve ever been but close. There’s no “sexy fireman body” on me and TONS of guys at this venue were objectively better looking than me, from better bodies to better clothes (I was in a t-shirt and sneakers) to being younger to having more money etc etc.

So why did these girls think I’m a 10? And why is this other girl feeling up my flabby arm as if there’s some raging bulging biceps? Because I had my other shit down, my buddy and I were talking to girls and being social so we had preselection, we were self-amusing, teasing, etc etc demonstrating the attributes that girls hope the fireman has. So I became a 10.

The funniest part is my buddy has been hitting the gym 4x a week and KNOWS I’m a lazy fuck and has seen me with my shirt off when I’m showering up during our pre-game and his face when these girls were saying/doing this shit was like “what the FUCK” lol Afterwards he was like “man I’m in the best shape of my LIFE and I don’t get treated ANY different than when I wasn’t” (dude has solid PUA skills, for a random chode with no game ya looks will make a difference in the number of iois he gets as I’ve always said, but iois are just validation not lays).

Now imagine if I WAS in shape. Imagine if I listened to everyone who told me looks mattered and I spend all of this month leading up to last night working out. I was at the gym 4 hours a day (I know I’m exaggerating lol) lifting weights and downing protein shakes and shit, just investing a bunch of my time into it, and I’m watching my diet, maybe I skip a few nights out sarging because I’m sore from the gym or I don’t wanna be around bad food/booze that might mess up my macros, etc etc.

So imagine I do that for a month and then go out last night and two girls call me a 10 and a third girl feels up my bicep as she’s flirting with me.

What would I think?

I would think “HOLY SHIT DOZE GUYS WERE RIGHT!!! LOOKS DO MATTER!!! ALL MY GYM EFFORT PAID OFF GIRLS THINK I’M A 10 I GOTTA HIT THE GYM MORE ALL THOSE HOURS I SPENT WERE WORTH IT NONE OF THOSE GIRLS ACTUALLY FUCKED ME BUT THEY THOUGHT I WAS HOT AND EVEN SAID IT OUT LOUD AND EVEN FELT UP MY BICEPS JUST LIKE THOSE GUYS ONLINE TOLD ME GIRLS WILL FEEL UP YOUR MUSCLES WHEN YOU’RE JACKED AND TRUST ME BRO THAT’S A GOOD FEELING WOW I’M GOING TO JUST WORK OUT NEXT WEEKEND INSTEAD OF GOING OUT FUCK LEARNING GAME WHY AM I BOTHERING WITH WATCHING THESE GAY JULIEN VIDEOS LOOKS ARE THE KEY MAN!!!!”

And off I would go onto a path that wastes my time and can even hinder my progress in some cases. But EVERYONE would agree with me and say “SEE we knew it bro!!! Here’s a bunch of workout tips so you can get jacked and enjoy girls feeling up your bicep and calling you a 10 which they would NEVER do if you weren’t jacked and good-looking!!”

To be honest part of WHY I don’t get in super hardcore shape is because once I do I know it’s going to be hard to remind myself that looks don’t matter and I’m going to start getting attached to them the same way I might get attached to a lucky shirt or lucky bar or lucky pre-game ritual etc where I had some success and have anchored it to something…and when I inevitably get old or go through periods where my body isn’t in hardcore shape, my confidence will end up suffering because I anchored it to that. By staying a bit outside of what’s considered “attractive”, I get stuff like last night whenever I step up and take action and my brain always knows that taking action is what makes me attractive so those good feels are anchored to taking action.

WARNING INCOMING KEYBOARD THEORY:

I actually think, and this part is just me guessing from experience, that girls can’t REALLY tell when a guy is muscular. I know that sounds crazy but stick with me…I think girls lump guys into three cateories: roided up juice monkey guys, like REAL “muscular” dudes…SUPER skinny rail thin guys like the skinny rocker dudes….they see those two ends of the spectrum and all the guys in those ends kind of lump together (like a 28″ bicep is the same as a 32″ bicep to her (I have no idea if those are good measurements lol)) as just “skinny” or “built”. And ALL THE GUYS IN-BETWEEN, to THEM, look like the best guy OF that group. So like, if the skinny guy is a -10 (not in attractiveness but in
how much muscle does this guy have”), and the super jacked Arnold is a 10 in muscles to them, all the guys in-between aren’t -9 to 9, they’re ALL 9s to the girl. So the scale is just -10, 9, or 10. That’s it, the whole -9 to 8 all get lumped together as 9.

Because to a girl ALL GUYS are muscular because we are men. Our weak guy is still stronger than most girls just because he’s a man and his muscles are and body weight and body mechanics just work like that. Especially for a short petite girl tip-toeing around in heels, the average guy, the chubby guy, etc are all “BIGGER” than her and meatier than her and have more strength than her, so she just lumps them all together.

Some chick tried pinning my wrists down in bed and I lifted my hands while she tried to push them down and I pretended to be struggling while she put everything she had into it and then finally exasperated she goes “…you’re not even TRYING are you??” and I just grin and go “Nope” and effortlessly push my hands up against her best efforts. I’m not superman or anything, it’s just that by default I am stronger than most girls even if my weight is just flab. Like no one wants to have Yokozuna angry and grabbing them, it doesn’t matter if Yokozuna is all flab or if his arms are 5 inches smaller than some other sumo wrestler, we just categorize him as “able to fuck shit UP” because he has so much more mass than us.

That’s just my keyboard theory though lol But girls think I’m MUCH more “jacked” than I am (because I am not at ALL jacked in any sense of the word lol, I have moobs even). And in bed they’ll grab my biceps and forearms and thighs and back “muscles” as IF I’m a huge raging beast because I fuck them AS IF I am (James Deen style). To them when their eyes are looking up at the ceiling over my shoulder or closed in bliss or shoved into the mattress, all they feel is “lots of manly body mass compard to my helpless girly frame”. That’s also probably why they fantasize about dogs fucking them and shit, it’s just the idea of a wild uncontrollable massive BEAST having their way with them. Probably why Beauty & the Beast was so fucking popular lol that’s tapping right into that fantasy.

Thing is, if those other guys that were standing around me stepped up and had game and out-did me, the girls would probably choose them. But they don’t have game. Because despite the Manosphere’s fear that every good-looking guy out there is some jacked rich tall flawless game Natural badass, 99.99999999% of those guys are just fucking chodes lol Because they either spent all their time in the gym instead of learning to mack girls, or because they’re so invested in the idea that looks matter that they try to rely on their looks instead of tightening up their game (Tyler HAS to learn good game, he CAN’T have sloppy weak game, but a good-looking dude will often have the bare minimum of game because he thinks his looks count as game…that’s why he’ll get laid if no one else is around to interfere, but he can’t take a girl off me and is invisible next to me when I’m in the zone out infield).

That answer your question? Lol You have to go out a bunch and you’ll see this stuff for yourself as your game improves and you start blowing these guys out and girls start choosing you over them etc. None of this makes sense in text because it goes against everything we’ve ever been socially conditioned to believe. Down is up, green is red, etc. But this is how it plays out infield.

Watch every episode of Keys to the VIP and you’ll see tons of good-looking dudes and some average/ugly dudes. The difference always comes down to who has better subcommunications. There’s an episode with a male stripper who has girls throwing themselves at him. Does he get that because he’s big and jacked? Other guys in the show are big and jacked and bombed. But a guy who’s surrounded by horny women for his job has good subcomms because he has a solid frame and thinks they’re retarded and just doesn’t fall into their bullshit. Another jacked guy, the super-jock Josh tears it up…but there are other dudes as good-looking at him who bomb. Josh AMOGs another guy as his open, diffuses a fight, has a solid voice, assumes attraction, kinos, leads, escalates, etc etc. And you’ll see some tall jacked dudes that SHOULD do well bomb while scrawny nerdy guys do way better. It comes down to the subcomms and game.

“For some reason I highly doubt getting a tattoo (I have no tattoos) or a nicely fitting suit will make that much of a difference.”

lol no tattoos here. No one cares. Hell these days not having tattoos is almost peacocking because so many people have them. Fitted suit is cool, it’ll probably get you some compliments. But you have to take it from compliments to your dick going in and out of her vagina and you’re gonna need game for that despite what the Manosphere/TRP will tell you about how girls just instantly jump on the cock of every guy in a fitted suit with matching pocket-square lol

“Some value looks (You gotta try to make yourself look taller!),”

On that note, Tyler from RSD started out with lifts in his shoes and stuff and started balding early, but he realized that if he’s going to teach guys that looks don’t matter he can’t be popping pills to try to prevent his baldness and wearing giant boots and shit. That’s why the RSD guys don’t really peacock…most of them dress like just average dudes, a t-shirt or a normal button-down, no million rings on their fingers or necklaces or crazy dyed hair, they just look like normal dudes. Their infield has TONS of footage of them macking dolled up girls while dressed in normal clothes. No one cares once you take action.

“The thing is, if looks don’t matter that much, then you can walk into a place and not have to give a shit whether the man next to you is taller, darker and handsomer than you are, because these characteristics are somewhat trivial – which is a liberating thing.”

I can’t even relate to that mindset anymore. Like I know that used to be something I worried about and thought about when I started out, but it’s been so long that I read those words and I just kind of squint like “lol wut?” at the screen because that’s such an absurd idea, that I should walk in and be concerned that some other dude is better looking than me. Hell, I would purposely befriend that guy so that when girls come give him iois I can just take action and display a more attractive personality/subcomms and take the girls off him lol Might as well use him to my advantage (but of course throw girls at him so he’s happy too).

“However, if looks do matter a lot then when you walk into a place, you have to somehow block out that side of your brain that makes you compare yourself with all the other men, which in theory sounds easy, but in practice is nearly impossible for most people.”

It IS nearly impossible. You can’t do it just from reading text. You have to go out there infield and run game and watch girls getting attracted to you and ignoring better looking guys and get into mixed sets with those guys and get a good looking wingman and sharpen your game until you can keep the girl’s attention off him just with your skills etc etc

Your brain wants PROOF not PROMISES.

“With that last paragraph in mind, the method of being “present to the moment” is something I hear a lot. Once again, in theory it sounds great and fantastic (you don’t have to think about anything! Just be present man!), but in practice it sounds like a bunch of poetic wording with no accordance with reality.”

lol ya, I have a computer brain so I don’t relate to that woo-woo shit at all. I want technical answers and explanations for everything. “Just feel your intent” lol shut up. Tell me what the fuck that means in practical terms and executable steps. It’s why I gravitated to PUA back in the day, Mystery Method is extremely technical and that resonated with me. I don’t even know if I’d get INTO pickup these days if I saw a lot of the stuff guys are teaching as my first experience with game.

“How the fuck are you supposed to not think about stressful shit from your past or in your future?”

Take action. The more you stand around, the more inside your head you get, and the more those thought loops will just circle and tighten and stifle you. When you take action and throw yourself out of your comfort zone and into a situation where you’re forced to think on the fly, you don’t think of any of that shit because your brain’s greater priority is “deal with this situation we’re in”.

This is again why you can’t learn this stuff just reading…you HAVE to go out infield and take action and fuck your brain in its stupid face.

@scribblerg
“How does it feel to give up on fucking young pussy?”

That’s my view. That’s where I was when I was a lonely hermit nerd virgin before I tried PUA. I was at rock bottom lonely as FUCK and saw no way out. So it was like “ok this going out and approaching girls thing is scary as fuck…but what’s the alternative? Just spend the next 60 years of my life alone and lonely like this? Fuck it, I’ll try it then, ’cause the alternative is worse.” For me the pain of trying and failing became less than the pain of not trying and accepting my bleak future.

Like okay, let’s say looks DO matter. And you’re not good looking. You have to be 6’4″ to get laid and you’re 5’7″. You’re right, it’s impossible. So now what? Are you going to just roll over and wait for the sweet release of death for the next 40 years like a bitch? Or are you going to do what men have done for millions of years and step up and overcome impossible odds and FIND a way to succeed the way a guy like Tyler or Cupid Shmupid or the Simple Pickup guys or myself did?

It’s your choice, no one gives a shit about you or your happiness or your dick’s happiness. If you choose to just give up, that’s fine, the rest of society is laying on their couch watching Netflix to pass time till they die just like you’ll be doing…they’d LOVE to have you join them, it would justify all their failure and lack of effort. “See that? John has joined us on the couch…we TOLD him not to waste his time TRYING, everyone knows a guy in his 50s can’t get young hot pussy. That’s why I never tried, because I already knew it can’t be done. Welcome to the Netflix Couch John, we knew you’d fail and come join us, you want some of these wings? They’re BBQ! Look at this, this is my favorite scene in Game of Thrones you’re gonna love this!”

One of my favorites:

“But what’s the OTHER choice?” (the visuals of the healthy old man and sick old man hit me hard and are why I’m focusing on handling my career/finances right now and have cleaned up my diet and cut out most of my drinking (I get one beer to have something to hold and then just refill it with water in the bathroom the rest of the night) and will probably start working out at some point, though it’ll be to avoid being the sick old man and not to try to attract women lol):

And another:

I watched that “The Martian” Matt Damon movie someone recommended and that movie basically encapsulates pickup. “At some point, everything’s gonna go south on you and you’re going to say, this is it. This is how I end. Now you can either accept that, or you can get to work. That’s all it is. You just begin. You do the math. You solve one problem and you solve the next one, and then the next. And If you solve enough problems, you get to come home.” There’s no emotion involved. You just do it. Because the alternative is die on Mars.

“Consider carefully what Ya is saying here, there is a unique opportunity for us older guys these days that simply didn’t exist before. We have a window if we are willing to work it.”

This is a dynamic I completely didn’t expect. Like, if I didn’t do pickup I wouldn’t even realize what an opportunity this is for older men because I wouldn’t understand all these dynamics. There was a time where I would look at a guy who got divorced at like 45 and be like “man, that guy is FUCKED”…but now? In 2015? That guy can probably handle his shit in a few years and probably pull some hot young poon, because culture has shifted to where older men are sexy to girls.

The funniest part about the looks discussion, is that we’ll all COMPLETELY accept that society has shifted so that “older men are now attractive to young chicks”. Like even Rollo admits that seems to be the case in 2015. It’s not really a controversial thing to accept and there’s lots of proof.

But WHY are older men attractive? Why do girls say “omg I LOVE older men”? Why do girls set their Tinder search to 30+yo men? Are WRINKLES attractive? No. Is the color GREY somehow more attractive than other colors? No. Is the number of their age just magically making girls wet? Like “the number 18 doesn’t make me wet but when I hear the number 45 oh god I want to fuck that guy so bad”? No.

It’s because “being old” (an external) indicates that that guy is LIKELY to have a strong frame, dominance, maturity, wisdom, protectors, guidance, grounded core, won’t take their bullshit, being solid like an oak tree, etc etc compared to their male peers they went to high school and university with. When a girl thinks “old man”, she’s not attractive to his WRINKLES, his crows feet, she doesn’t get wet thinking about wrinkled skin. And she doesn’t picture Bob Saget in Full House. She pictures Liam Neeson in Taken. Liam Neeson is not objectively “sexy”, especially compared to younger jacked dudes…but every chick who watches Taken wants to fuck the shit out of Neeson when the credits roll lol Because the entire movie he’s displaying alpha shit. And then they go to the bar and see an old guy and think “an old guy!! I LOVE old guys, like Liam Neeson in Taken!!”

Like, we accept this dynamic. This makes sense, and especially as old men we’d love it to be true.

But when I say girls looking at the fireman calendar are actually attracted to what those guys’ externals indicate that they are LIKELY TO HAVE in terms of attractive behavioral attributes…THAT’S suddenly controversial. But when I say girls talking about how much they love older men are actually attracted to what those guys’ externals (being old) indicate that they are LIKELY TO HAVE in terms of attractive behavioral attributes…THAT’S acceptable and like “oh ya, obviously”.

For an older guy I would focus on fitness/diet (not worrying about getting jacked but just being HEALTHY so you can handle fucking young girls and late nights and not getting exhausted from socializing and having a bunch of medical issues that take you out of the game or has you on a bunch of fucked up meds etc), MASSIVE internal re-wiring (Julien’s SHIFT has a ton of great internal stuff, find a way to obtain it by any means necessary wink wink). And I would focus on indirect game and social circle game. Indirect game isn’t appreciated anymore since it doesn’t make a good YouTube montage video, it’s boring to watch. But direct game, like what James Marshall is doing, is forcing the girl to make a decision about you INSTANTLY based on your first impression. If you fit somewhere in the mould of the kind of guys she can visualize herself being with, then ya, that can work out great.

But if you are outside of that mould (different race, crazy age different, non-ideal physique/height), then instead of forcing her to make a snap decision where she’s likely to come down on the NO side of the fence, go indirect and demonstrate your high-value for her to observe before having her make her decision and, ideally, learn how to run Mystery Method well enough that SHE ends up choosing YOU, like you don’t even FORCE her to decide, SHE’S deciding based on “wow I like all the things this guy is doing and all the emotions he’s making me feel”.

And I would have an older guy do social circle game because being old means being tired and slow compared to when you were younger. You don’t want to have to run around the bars, wait in lines, go out to nightclubs till 2am…if you follow my guide for building social circles in a new city (search in my archive) and build off it, you can get to the point where you’re meeting hot young women through your circles especially if you’re making an effort to befriend younger people. Like you’re not hanging out in some old-ass pub with a few fat old guys and a toothless old chick. You’re going to GOOD venues that have hot young girls and going on off nights or arriving early and shooting the shit with the staff and introducing girls to young guys so that those guys love you etc So that when you go into a venue that retarded 22yo guy you threw a girl at once is like “YOOO!!! SCRIBBLER-G!! WHAT UP MAN LOLOL” and you think to yourself “fuck society is doomed” but you chuckle a hello and notice the hot young chick he brought with him is looking at you curious about who this old guy is and why her male peer likes him. Next thing you know that young chick is “coincidentally” ordering a drink beside you just waiting for you to open her.

Think of it as a long slow-play instead of a fast high-impact style. Much easier on those old bones. The catch is you’ll need game, because you’ll need to be giving value, and giving good emotions to people is part of game.

“I’m afraid I’d fail and not make it work and blah blah blah.”

lol everyone is. You’re normal. But you can fix that. ;)

“My internals are still not there for sure.”

What are you going to do to fix that? I link plenty of resources all the time, lots of internal game stuff. There are hours and hours of videos available to help you fix your internals. You know every time you get into interactions you get one step closer to fixing that shit.

So what’s the plan? How are you gonna get back from Mars? 2016 is coming, let’s see some fucking New Years Resolutions lol

@Dutchman
“Where are the “archives” Tyler is talking about in that vid?”

http://web.archive.org/web/20130817122905/http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/

Password for them is in the description at the top of that page. I recommend Tylers, BradPs, A2daMIR, and MrSex4uNYC the most. Tyler was a fucking beast. It’s all just a forum dump though so like, there’s lots of fluff posts mixed in with the useful content.

@scribblerg
“Just know that I would gladly trade it all for having an intact marriage/family with a good, submissive woman, 4 kids and my first grandkid on the way now.”

Thing is, I’m not sure that’s even an option in 2015 anymore. Like that dream is done. A more realistic option might be like, “a long-term relationship with a girl good, submissive woman that lasts for a solid 10 good years and then kind of peters out and maybe we separate hopefully amicably, and a couple kids who take till their 30s or 40s before they finally pop out a baby because they’re focused on their careers and shit”. That’s something more likely for a guy settling down in 2015.

@scribblerg @theasdgamer
“He looks like he’s having fun even if he gets “blown out”.”

This is the key. And the biggest hurdle. Julien explains here:

When you’re self-amusing, rejections don’t really matter because you’re gaming yourself not the girl. Even if you have a terrible night, you’ve been making yourself laugh (even if it’s just in your own mind) so it doesn’t really sting the way it stings if you’re focused on the outcome (getting the girl) and measuring yourself by that.

Best way I can describe this concept is imagine you go to a bar and there’s a TV and your FAVORITE show is on, and it’s the funniest episode of that show, and you spend an hour laughing your ass off at it. You tell a few girls “wasn’t that funny??” and they roll your eyes but you just lol at how kids don’t appreciate good comedy these days and keep laughing at your show. After it’s over you go home. You didn’t get laid, you even got some negative/neutral responses, but you will still view that as a fun night because you felt good emotions all night.

But put yourself in the same situation minus the TV, and that’s how most guys go out lol They’re not having fun, they’re not self-amusing or doing things to keep themselves interested, they’re focused on success/failure and the outcome so when they leave without getting laid and with some rejections they are CRUSHED and think it’s the worst night ever.

When you’re self-amusing it doesn’t matter how the girl responds. Self-amusement doesn’t have to be crazy knee-slapping over the top shit…it can be as simple as giving a girl a fake name that you think is funny, or telling her you do a job that you don’t actually do that you think is funny when she believes you (like Luke describing Breaking Bad as his job and lol’ing when girls believe him) etc etc. Like, externally you can look deadpan, but internally you’re entertaining yourself and pumping your state and even if the girl walks away you had a fun time.

But we are taught to define our worth by success and failure with women, so it’s hard for guys to shift mental gears like that. ESPECIALLY when they’re in a period of scarcity.

@Andy
“Meh, chatting online is easy. My in-person skills are lacking when I first meet a person.”

This is why cold approach is scoring more bonus points. All these guys out there have been chatting online so much that they don’t know how to approach and game girls in person anymore. It’s like all of my competition decided to tie their legs together in a footrace lol Like great, thanks guys!

Juggler Method is a classic for general social skills and building rapport/comfort with people. PDF is easy to find.

@Blaximus
Everyone caves to social pressure. If you’ve ever not done something you know would disappoint your mom, dad, kids, friends, boxing coach, etc then you cave to social pressure. If you’ve ever held back on swearing around kids or in church, you cave to social pressure. If you’ve ever dressed up for an important event, worn a suit in a job interview, gotten a haircut, spoken respectfully to a police officer, spoken more politely in some company than in other company (around your mom or a date VS your friends), felt uncomfortable being an outsider in a situation (different race, class, or gender from the rest of the room) etc then congratulations, you cave to social pressure.

In fact the “I never back down from a fight when someone disrespects me, I’m not a pussy” attitude a lot of guys have is caving to social pressure.

You just don’t view those situations as such because in your mind when I say “cave to social pressure” you picture the silly elevator examples and 80s “just say no to drugs” commercials lol You don’t realize all the little ways you constantly cave to social pressure because in your mind you think you’re making choices. But the nuance to it is that creating social pressure involves making the person think they’re making the choice themselves by presenting specific social pressure that convinces them to “decide” that what they were going to do is no longer what they want to do and they actively choose to NOT do it or to do something else.

The elevator people cave to simple social pressure, they just don’t want to be thought of as weird in that moment so they conform (also back to the validity of survey data on human behavior, how many of those people if asked on a survey “if someone got on an elevator facing the back of the elevator instead of the door would you turn to face the back too?” would say “YES OF COURSE”? They’d say “no that’s crazy”, but hidden cam footage captures actual behavior).

You basically just calibrate to the person’s value system and whatever you can extrapolate about them to apply social pressure that that specific person will cave to. A guy who feels disrespected when you accidentally bump into him or tool him a little too hard is primarily angry because he feels like the people around him will think less of him if he doesn’t do something about what you just did. Convince him that no one will judge him and the feeling of disrespect goes away.

A guy who’s trained in fighting is probably the EASIEST to diffuse because normal people don’t know how serious fighting is, so they’ll be retarded and take a swing anyway. But a boxer, as you’ve admitted yourself, knows how serious punching someone’s head in is and how deadly they are as a fighter and how punching someone out shouldn’t be taken lightly, because if they’ve had a good coach he’s instilled those values in him, so to diffuse a guy like that all you have to do is convince him that it’s “not worth it”, because he needs it to be “worth it” to justify in his mind swinging that deadly fist of his. Once it’s “not worth it”, he can’t really justify taking the swing to himself anymore…he can be MAD and he can think “that guy is a fucking asshole someone’s gonna punch his lights out one day” but he himself won’t do it because his reason for it has been taken away. So in the end you CHOOSE not to punch me and you feel like it’s your choice and you’ll make up rationalizations for why you didn’t punch me, but the reality is I’m manipulating your options in a way where it’s just more appealing to your brain to not punch me than to punch me when it was the other way around a moment prior.

This is all advanced/nuanced as fuck and you won’t agree with any of it so I’m just typing this to document how it works for the knoweldge-base lol In your mind you think you’ll always take the swing as soon as you decide it’s justified because we all want to be badasses and in the past you’ve taken swings on guys who don’t know how to use social pressure properly and you can’t imagine a situation where the person you want to hit talks you out of it because it hasn’t happened to you before and you’ve never done it yourself because as a boxer you go right to the fists so what I’m describing sounds impossible to you or like it’ll only work on elevator chodes, but that’s the same as how women will say “that game stuff would never work on ME, it might work on those dumb bar sluts (the elevator video people) but I would NEVER fall for that”. :)

The only people who don’t cave to social pressure at all are legit sociopaths and generally in prison…as much as guys in the Manosphere love to LARP that they’re sociopaths because it sounds cool to be “Dark Triad”, they’re not lol And real ones that will give no fucks about any consequences whatsoever are pretty easy to avoid…they’re not the fun life of the party they’re the psychopath sitting in a corner twitching and talking to himself lol (exaggerated but you get the idea)

I’m also very aware of my surroundings and try not to get drunk enough to be an easy target and calibrate like a boss. I can read subcomms so I can see fights starting way before they start. I’m usually the guy telling the bouncer “keep an eye on those two, they’re about to get into it” because I want the bar I’m in to stay peaceful because the rest of us are there to have fun and people who want to bring negative dangerous shit into the bar can fuck right off lol I’ve hung with guys who would literally get into bar scraps weekly and taught them how to avoid that shit…most of the guys who get into a lot of fights bring that on themselves because they don’t have social calibration to avoid it and are scared to look like a pussy. I don’t walk into dangerous situations (a group of aggressive drunk guys on a street corner at 3am? I’ll take the long way along the high-traffic road with bright street lamps thanks, I’m not going to walk right through them like an idiot) and walk away when I can tell guys I’m hanging with are going to end up getting into a fight at some point (getting too drunk/aggressive/obnoxious and making enemies etc). I’m at the bar to fuck girls, not to have dick-waving sword-fights with dudes.

I’ve gone out for like 10 years macking girls other guys want to fuck. It’s not a coincidence that I haven’t been in a fight. I’ve pissed plenty of guys off (by accident or just by taking girls they wanted) and been in situations that could VERY EASILY turn into fights if I followed the monkey dance (which is in itself caving to social pressure, letting the other guy rile you up instead of simply not caring), but I have social skills and understand the psychology of what’s happening and I know when to just walk away because I don’t care if people think I’m a pussy. Nothing that happens in a bar is worth fighting over.

Self-defense is cool, it’s good to have some fighting skills incase you get jumped outside a convenience store, but that’s a different thing from bar fights because bar fights are optional. (and none of this is even factoring in that it’s 2015, you’re old (no offense) so you’re still viewing the world as it was in like the 70s or whatever, shit has changed, guys are pussycats with weak frames now, they’re not a lot harder to manipulate than chicks thanks to the FI-conditioning)

@Striver
“But even 101 level game can be a big asset in closing with women who are into your look.”

A lot of us get into game to have selection, not just to take whatever’s handed to us. Like, that’s an acceptable way of doing it, it gets you laid…but it’s rare that your exact type of girl will be the girl who happens to be into your look. The getting laid part is fun at first, but a lot of Naturals who end up jaded and hating “the game” and women end up that way because they never really have CHOICE, they’re just choosing from the girls who’ve sent them blatant iois and AIs and shit.

And I’m more about pushing the overall knowledge-base than dumbing it down for a mass audience. Like, ya if you’re a chode go hit the gym and enjoy the little hits of validation you’ll get from it and try to learn just enough game to turn those into lays if you can. That’s great, I’m happy for you if you do that and you’re happy. But what I’m talking about when I write these rants is the brass tack mechanics of how these dynamics work because it’s important that they’re documented and explored (and CHALLENGED) to fully understand human nature and psychology and get to the truth.

@Is This Thing On?
“One thing that has always bothered me a little though is the somewhat contemptuous attitude of the MRA portion of the manosphere. Granted, a lot of whining goes on in those circles, but the post about James Deen and the rape allegations against him point to the value of the MRAs.”

I agree. I get that the way the MRAs are going about it isn’t ideal, but like, no one else is stepping up to try to change laws and get mainstream coverage of these things. Everyone else is just telling them they suck lol But the reality is 10 years ago I rarely saw anyone speak out in comment section and shit about bullshit situations where men were getting fucked over, and now almost any vid/article I see about this stuff has TONS of commenters, male and female, speaking out against the bullshit and a lot of that is from the MRAs throwing up a fuss and gaining attention whether you think Elam is a dick or Karen is a feminist in disugise or whatever. Doesn’t matter. All that matters right now is getting men off the plantation by any means necessary and a lot of guys who will NEVER read the Manosphere or TRP or PUA shit will look at MRA and MGTOW shit so it’s all good. Roosh’s BBC thing is going to be an epic fail. But that Red Pill movie that chick is making is going to be fucking awesome. I don’t care if a girl or an awesome gay dude (check out Milo’s latest debate VS Rebecca Reid, fucking destroys it with an amazing speech for men at the end) has to promote the messages and we’re butthurt that it’s not a man doing it bla bla, as long as the message gets out there and men start unplugging and looking into it, they’ll find places like TRM or PUA or MGTOW or whatever resonates with them and society will shift.

…infact Milo’s speech is so good I’m gonna risk this post ending up in mod for too many links just so I can link it:

12:50 in this vid Milo scolds her like a boss, then gives an epic speech for men/boys (but watch the full version of this debate, it’s great):

“The point is, I fail to see how game can insulate our young men from this sort of collusion.”

The problem is there’s no way to protect against it. You don’t even have to have MET a girl to get a false rape accusation etc But game can help men understand the dynamics at play and not walk blind into a lot of traps that are set for them and keep the hive mind chill and learn to slip through the loopholes that allow certain men to get away with behavior that other men can’t.

Like here’s some infield footage of how certain guys can act one way and girls will love it while other guys will get scolded for it:

@kfg
“Under conditions such as that, young men have been known to become dangerous.”

VR-porn and Netflix and videogames etc will help neuter that.

@scribblerg
“I get stalled as I escalate. I have trouble isolating, I need to do volume to get better at that but it scares the shit out of me for some reason. It’s like I’ve given myself permission to approach and be flirty and get the vibe going but I think that escalating will just crash me.”

lol standard sticking point, don’t sweat it. This is just your brain wanting to preserve your ego. You get a good reaction and it’s going well and your brain doesn’t want to risk blowing the set so it either holds back on escalating or makes you eject the set because then you can leave it on a good validation high-note and not feel bad feels. But if you escalate or keep going, you might blow it and get the dreaded BAD FEELS and then your ego has to say “oh shit does this mean I’m NOT attractive??” and as an old dude especially you don’t want evidence that you might NOT be attractive so your brain won’t make a move on her unless it has MASSIVE green lights (which she probably won’t give because, ironically, having the balls to RISK that failure and make a move on her is often what can make her give the green light (not always of course)).

“He admits to “being an asshole” when he was younger and apologizes to anyone he’s harmed several times in the piece.”

He’s admitting to being an asshole in terms of being a shitty boyfriend not a rapist. Like, he’s acknowledging that look I’m not a GREAT guy, that’s why these ex-girlfriends hate my ass, I was a dick, but that’s not the same as admitting to rape. He’s just trying to give an explanation of like look, they are totally justified in hating me as a boyfriend, but this other stuff is nonsense.

“One tactic the PUA’s had and it is hard to get information on is an old Style tactic called Eliciting Values. Very poorly described in the manosphere and very poorly illustrated by Neil Strauss in a video. Maybe YaReally can expound about this old tactic or link to one of his archives.”

Todd explaining it:

I can’t find the clip (I think it was a live webinar or something) but he broke down that infield footage way more in-depth and the jist of it was that he quizzes her for what kind of shit she does and reads her value system off of that, because she’s into self-help and motivational speaking he makes sure to focus more on those aspects of his lifestyle (speaking to groups of men and motivating them etc) whereas with a girl who’s into like, hardcore business stuff he would focus more on those aspects of it (being an entrepreneur businessman etc).

It’s just kind of quickly figuring out what the girl’s value system is. Works with guys too, it’s how I befriend guys who are very different from me…I just read what their value system is. Like I would talk about boxing and martial arts etc with Blaximus if I wanted to win him over because it’s clear that’s part of his value system. But with someone else I would focus on another subject. And for negging/devalidating girls and deflating rich/good-looking/manly AMOGs, I do the same thing where I read what their value system is and then undermine it, usually in an innocent way where it’s not malicious it’s just accidental that I make the girls we’re talking to think whatever that guy’s value system is, is silly so that he loses his value and his frame is shaken. An expensive watch is only impressive when the people you’re showing it to value expensive watches…use subtle psychology to make the group no longer value expensive watches and that expensive watch no longer holds value and the guy wearing it no longer feels like a boss.

@Cosby
No idea on that shit, but I’ve seen plenty of girls who get themselves fucked up in the hopes that a high-value guy will fuck them and all I can think is “man that’s not going to end well” lol It’s a pet peeve of mine when I meet a cool chick and she runs off and gets loaded thinking that that’ll help me make moves on her (because she’s used to guys needing her to be drunk and needing to be drunk with her). It blows their mind when I tell them to have water or not get too drunk and escalate on them when we’re sober in the daytime etc.

@immoralgables
“Can you expend (as much as you’re able to) on how you built up your niche in the club scene?”

Search for “new city” in my archives for a basic gameplan.

@Enrique @scribblerg
Some people were just unfortunate in the luck of the draw and were born to a family of poisonous people and/or peers and cutting them out can help. I had an excellent home life and I understand how fortunate I am to have had that, but I’ve known people who weren’t as lucky as me and who have family members that absolutely cripple them and their potential and that I would applaud them cutting out of their lives. The way I see it your family/friends/etc owe you support and positive emotions to help you grow, and in exchange you owe them the same. But when they actively decide to stop holding up their end of the deal and actively choose to hold you back and bring you negative poison that cripples your development, you’re under no obligation to allow them to be a part of your life.

@IlliadsTangent
“How does improving SMV work for a man $150,000 + in the hole due to a divorce , or paying $2000+ monthly for child support and /or alimony?”

In terms of sheer pickup, there are plenty of bars out there with no cover that serve glasses of water, and plenty of public venues with girls to run daygame on for free. Long as you have half an hour a day that you can dedicate to approaching women none of that matters…unless you’re trying to marry and have kids with them, but presumably you’re not looking to make the same mistake twice and you already have kids you don’t get to see as it is so I’m assuming you mean in terms of getting and fucking hot girls.

I could be paying a million dollars in alimony a month and no girl would have a clue because there’s no time where my financial situation has any relevance in our relationship.


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on December 9th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
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My bomb drop for the day lol work is picking up again so my free time will be limited soon.

@Klem
Haven’t seen The Program, I’m done with online/internet game. It’s been flooded with chodes and cold approach gets me way better reception in 2015 where everyone else is relying on online shit to talk to girls.

@bluepillprofessor
lol glad it helped. Google how to choke safely, you can do serious damage if you’re just winging it.

@averagechump
“Do you think they’re not important because (1) in a given venue, or out on the street, there will always be a guy just as good looking and wealthy as you? – or (2) because women deep down really do not care about these things?”

You want to get laid. You see two girls that you KNOW you can get. One is dressed frumpy in a turtleneck sweater with closed off body-language, no makeup, hair in a plain ponytail, frowning, sitting in a corner by herself not talking to anyone. The other girl is in a slutty red dress done up and flirting with you aggressively staring you in the eyes with that “fuck me” look etc.

Which girl do you go for? The second one. Because her externals signal to you “she is probably going to be easier to fuck and a better lay than that other girl who looks like she’ll be a lot of work to get to loosen up and fuck and I just want the easy/fun lay.” You probably don’t even NOTICE the shy quiet plain jane girl in the corner once that red dress girl walks in the room.

That’s what looks are to a girl. An indicator that the person IS MORE LIKELY TO HAVE alpha qualities that are attractive to her. It’s MORE LIKELY that the 6’4″ jacked rich CEO is going to be an alpha boss dominant in bed leader of men etc etc than the plain normal looking dude or the short/chubby/etc guy. So that guy pings on her radar and she gravitates towards him because his externals indicate that he’s likely to have those alpha traits she’s on the hunt for.

Makes sense, right? Same way you would go to a police officer for help or someone in a surgeon’s garb for medical help.

Now imagine you try macking that red dress girl and as you get to know her you find out that she’s actually a super religious virgin who refuses to have sex before marriage. Or she’ll have sex but she’s had sex with 400 guys already. Or she’ll give blowjobs but she won’t let you fuck her because like, her vagina is riddled with AIDS or something lol The point being she doesn’t live up to her externals.

How disappointed would you be? Very, right? Because she was SUPPOSED to, based on her externals, have the qualities you were looking for (being easy to fuck and a good lay).

That’s what it’s like for a girl when a good-looking guy turns out to be a paper tiger chode. But at first glance he was attractive just like the red dress girl was to you, because their externals subcommunicated that they were MORE LIKELY to have the attributes you’re looking for…you didn’t know they didn’t live up to that image until you interacted with them.

In fact, you would be MORE disappointed that the red dress girl turned out to be a shitty lay because she had external indicators that you read into thinking she would be one so you’re more let down than you would be if the shy mousey girl turned out to be a bad lay because you expect that of her…in fact it would SURPRISE you and throw you for a loop if the mousey girl turned out to be an amazing lay that rocks your world. The default level you expect from the red dress girl, being provided by the mousey girl, would gain the mousey girl MASSIVE points.

That’s what it’s like when the average dude turns out to have game. He gets more points because no one expects it of him based on his externals. And when a good-looking guy who “should” have game doesn’t, he gets even HARSHER point loss because he was “supposed” to be good based on his externals.

Now you may even fuck the red dress girl and get that shitty blowjob and then be like “ugh, I’m not calling her again” and ignore her texts etc in the future…until you go out and no girls will talk to you except ugly fat chicks and she’s txting you saying “let me take you to dinner” or “come over tonight I have booze please come over I want to see you so bad just come over for an hour you’re so hot I want to see you tonight” etc. Then you’re like “…welllllll it’s better than going home alone.” and you’re off to fuck your orbiter.

That’s what it’s like for girls. YOU won’t approach them at the bar, or you approach them and half-ass your pickup and don’t push for the pull and lay that night, and their phone fills up with all these dudes and no one else is approaching them because guys are chickenshit now, so it’s like, what’s she supposed to do, go home to her vibrator? She may not even LIKE the guy but, well, you didn’t step up because you were in a corner using your engineer brain to calculate why you don’t deserve her and why she wouldn’t think you’re attractive and what the inch-difference in your biceps is from the tall jacked guy beside you lol

Make sense?

Here’s the best way to describe it and this is for Rollo too ’cause of the fireman calendar thing: If muscles are inherently attractive, what do girls picture those firemen in that calendar doing in their fantasy? Do they picture those guys shuffling around with their head down, shoulders hunched, stuttering and asking permission to take off their bra? No. They picture those guys throwing them over their shoulder and manhandling them and fucking them James Deen style. But why? If the muscles themselves are what’s attractive and women are visual like men, then it shouldn’t matter what those guys are doing, they should just BE attractive. If we see an HB10 gorgeous girl it doesn’t matter what she’s doing, we’re attracted.

But for girls, that fireman body is signalling to them that “these guys are LIKELY to throw you around the bedroom and manhandle you” (but might not if you actually met them). Seth Rogan or Michael Cera don’t signal that, so no one wants their calendar. But James Deen doesn’t have a much better body than Michael Cera, and girls are attracted to him because from his porn they’ve seen him DEMONSTRATE the alpha dominant sexual qualities that the firemen’s externals signal that they are likely to have.

You can learn to give off the same subcomms that are attractive without the externals. You can be a leader of men, you can build preselection and social proof, you can be dominant, you can lead the interaction, you can be sexual, you can escalate, etc these are all behaviors you can learn to do without spending a minute in a gym.

NOBODY thinks this guy’s subcomms are sexy (11:38 in this vid), it doesn’t matter if after the show he goes to the gym and gets himself jacked like a fireman, at BEST he’d get laid and then the girl would never ever call him again (unless averagechump doesn’t approach her and rock her world with his sick game lol):

But when you have your subcomms down despite your externals (this girl at 7:40 thinks he’s so high-value from all the little subcomms he’s given off that he’s just taking her number “to be nice”, she doesn’t think she deserves him and he has to correct her and make a hard statement of interest):

Last night my buddy and I hit a kiddie pretend-higher-end nightclub venue (not REALLY high-end because there was no actual dress code it’s just a venue where everything is expensive and all the girls doll up and lots of the guys do themselves up, a girl actually told me her purse was probably worth more than my car…joke’s on you, I don’t have a car lol). Two girls said I was a *10* and a third girl kept feeling up my bicep. I haven’t worked out in like a year, my arm is just flab lol and I’m not quite the fattest I’ve ever been but close. There’s no “sexy fireman body” on me and TONS of guys at this venue were objectively better looking than me, from better bodies to better clothes (I was in a t-shirt and sneakers) to being younger to having more money etc etc.

So why did these girls think I’m a 10? And why is this other girl feeling up my flabby arm as if there’s some raging bulging biceps? Because I had my other shit down, my buddy and I were talking to girls and being social so we had preselection, we were self-amusing, teasing, etc etc demonstrating the attributes that girls hope the fireman has. So I became a 10.

The funniest part is my buddy has been hitting the gym 4x a week and KNOWS I’m a lazy fuck and has seen me with my shirt off when I’m showering up during our pre-game and his face when these girls were saying/doing this shit was like “what the FUCK” lol Afterwards he was like “man I’m in the best shape of my LIFE and I don’t get treated ANY different than when I wasn’t” (dude has solid PUA skills, for a random chode with no game ya looks will make a difference in the number of iois he gets as I’ve always said, but iois are just validation not lays).

Now imagine if I WAS in shape. Imagine if I listened to everyone who told me looks mattered and I spend all of this month leading up to last night working out. I was at the gym 4 hours a day (I know I’m exaggerating lol) lifting weights and downing protein shakes and shit, just investing a bunch of my time into it, and I’m watching my diet, maybe I skip a few nights out sarging because I’m sore from the gym or I don’t wanna be around bad food/booze that might mess up my macros, etc etc.

So imagine I do that for a month and then go out last night and two girls call me a 10 and a third girl feels up my bicep as she’s flirting with me.

What would I think?

I would think “HOLY SHIT DOZE GUYS WERE RIGHT!!! LOOKS DO MATTER!!! ALL MY GYM EFFORT PAID OFF GIRLS THINK I’M A 10 I GOTTA HIT THE GYM MORE ALL THOSE HOURS I SPENT WERE WORTH IT NONE OF THOSE GIRLS ACTUALLY FUCKED ME BUT THEY THOUGHT I WAS HOT AND EVEN SAID IT OUT LOUD AND EVEN FELT UP MY BICEPS JUST LIKE THOSE GUYS ONLINE TOLD ME GIRLS WILL FEEL UP YOUR MUSCLES WHEN YOU’RE JACKED AND TRUST ME BRO THAT’S A GOOD FEELING WOW I’M GOING TO JUST WORK OUT NEXT WEEKEND INSTEAD OF GOING OUT FUCK LEARNING GAME WHY AM I BOTHERING WITH WATCHING THESE GAY JULIEN VIDEOS LOOKS ARE THE KEY MAN!!!!”

And off I would go onto a path that wastes my time and can even hinder my progress in some cases. But EVERYONE would agree with me and say “SEE we knew it bro!!! Here’s a bunch of workout tips so you can get jacked and enjoy girls feeling up your bicep and calling you a 10 which they would NEVER do if you weren’t jacked and good-looking!!”

To be honest part of WHY I don’t get in super hardcore shape is because once I do I know it’s going to be hard to remind myself that looks don’t matter and I’m going to start getting attached to them the same way I might get attached to a lucky shirt or lucky bar or lucky pre-game ritual etc where I had some success and have anchored it to something…and when I inevitably get old or go through periods where my body isn’t in hardcore shape, my confidence will end up suffering because I anchored it to that. By staying a bit outside of what’s considered “attractive”, I get stuff like last night whenever I step up and take action and my brain always knows that taking action is what makes me attractive so those good feels are anchored to taking action.

WARNING INCOMING KEYBOARD THEORY:

I actually think, and this part is just me guessing from experience, that girls can’t REALLY tell when a guy is muscular. I know that sounds crazy but stick with me…I think girls lump guys into three cateories: roided up juice monkey guys, like REAL “muscular” dudes…SUPER skinny rail thin guys like the skinny rocker dudes….they see those two ends of the spectrum and all the guys in those ends kind of lump together (like a 28″ bicep is the same as a 32″ bicep to her (I have no idea if those are good measurements lol)) as just “skinny” or “built”. And ALL THE GUYS IN-BETWEEN, to THEM, look like the best guy OF that group. So like, if the skinny guy is a -10 (not in attractiveness but in
how much muscle does this guy have”), and the super jacked Arnold is a 10 in muscles to them, all the guys in-between aren’t -9 to 9, they’re ALL 9s to the girl. So the scale is just -10, 9, or 10. That’s it, the whole -9 to 8 all get lumped together as 9.

Because to a girl ALL GUYS are muscular because we are men. Our weak guy is still stronger than most girls just because he’s a man and his muscles are and body weight and body mechanics just work like that. Especially for a short petite girl tip-toeing around in heels, the average guy, the chubby guy, etc are all “BIGGER” than her and meatier than her and have more strength than her, so she just lumps them all together.

Some chick tried pinning my wrists down in bed and I lifted my hands while she tried to push them down and I pretended to be struggling while she put everything she had into it and then finally exasperated she goes “…you’re not even TRYING are you??” and I just grin and go “Nope” and effortlessly push my hands up against her best efforts. I’m not superman or anything, it’s just that by default I am stronger than most girls even if my weight is just flab. Like no one wants to have Yokozuna angry and grabbing them, it doesn’t matter if Yokozuna is all flab or if his arms are 5 inches smaller than some other sumo wrestler, we just categorize him as “able to fuck shit UP” because he has so much more mass than us.

That’s just my keyboard theory though lol But girls think I’m MUCH more “jacked” than I am (because I am not at ALL jacked in any sense of the word lol, I have moobs even). And in bed they’ll grab my biceps and forearms and thighs and back “muscles” as IF I’m a huge raging beast because I fuck them AS IF I am (James Deen style). To them when their eyes are looking up at the ceiling over my shoulder or closed in bliss or shoved into the mattress, all they feel is “lots of manly body mass compard to my helpless girly frame”. That’s also probably why they fantasize about dogs fucking them and shit, it’s just the idea of a wild uncontrollable massive BEAST having their way with them. Probably why Beauty & the Beast was so fucking popular lol that’s tapping right into that fantasy.

Thing is, if those other guys that were standing around me stepped up and had game and out-did me, the girls would probably choose them. But they don’t have game. Because despite the Manosphere’s fear that every good-looking guy out there is some jacked rich tall flawless game Natural badass, 99.99999999% of those guys are just fucking chodes lol Because they either spent all their time in the gym instead of learning to mack girls, or because they’re so invested in the idea that looks matter that they try to rely on their looks instead of tightening up their game (Tyler HAS to learn good game, he CAN’T have sloppy weak game, but a good-looking dude will often have the bare minimum of game because he thinks his looks count as game…that’s why he’ll get laid if no one else is around to interfere, but he can’t take a girl off me and is invisible next to me when I’m in the zone out infield).

That answer your question? Lol You have to go out a bunch and you’ll see this stuff for yourself as your game improves and you start blowing these guys out and girls start choosing you over them etc. None of this makes sense in text because it goes against everything we’ve ever been socially conditioned to believe. Down is up, green is red, etc. But this is how it plays out infield.

Watch every episode of Keys to the VIP and you’ll see tons of good-looking dudes and some average/ugly dudes. The difference always comes down to who has better subcommunications. There’s an episode with a male stripper who has girls throwing themselves at him. Does he get that because he’s big and jacked? Other guys in the show are big and jacked and bombed. But a guy who’s surrounded by horny women for his job has good subcomms because he has a solid frame and thinks they’re retarded and just doesn’t fall into their bullshit. Another jacked guy, the super-jock Josh tears it up…but there are other dudes as good-looking at him who bomb. Josh AMOGs another guy as his open, diffuses a fight, has a solid voice, assumes attraction, kinos, leads, escalates, etc etc. And you’ll see some tall jacked dudes that SHOULD do well bomb while scrawny nerdy guys do way better. It comes down to the subcomms and game.

“For some reason I highly doubt getting a tattoo (I have no tattoos) or a nicely fitting suit will make that much of a difference.”

lol no tattoos here. No one cares. Hell these days not having tattoos is almost peacocking because so many people have them. Fitted suit is cool, it’ll probably get you some compliments. But you have to take it from compliments to your dick going in and out of her vagina and you’re gonna need game for that despite what the Manosphere/TRP will tell you about how girls just instantly jump on the cock of every guy in a fitted suit with matching pocket-square lol

“Some value looks (You gotta try to make yourself look taller!),”

On that note, Tyler from RSD started out with lifts in his shoes and stuff and started balding early, but he realized that if he’s going to teach guys that looks don’t matter he can’t be popping pills to try to prevent his baldness and wearing giant boots and shit. That’s why the RSD guys don’t really peacock…most of them dress like just average dudes, a t-shirt or a normal button-down, no million rings on their fingers or necklaces or crazy dyed hair, they just look like normal dudes. Their infield has TONS of footage of them macking dolled up girls while dressed in normal clothes. No one cares once you take action.

“The thing is, if looks don’t matter that much, then you can walk into a place and not have to give a shit whether the man next to you is taller, darker and handsomer than you are, because these characteristics are somewhat trivial – which is a liberating thing.”

I can’t even relate to that mindset anymore. Like I know that used to be something I worried about and thought about when I started out, but it’s been so long that I read those words and I just kind of squint like “lol wut?” at the screen because that’s such an absurd idea, that I should walk in and be concerned that some other dude is better looking than me. Hell, I would purposely befriend that guy so that when girls come give him iois I can just take action and display a more attractive personality/subcomms and take the girls off him lol Might as well use him to my advantage (but of course throw girls at him so he’s happy too).

“However, if looks do matter a lot then when you walk into a place, you have to somehow block out that side of your brain that makes you compare yourself with all the other men, which in theory sounds easy, but in practice is nearly impossible for most people.”

It IS nearly impossible. You can’t do it just from reading text. You have to go out there infield and run game and watch girls getting attracted to you and ignoring better looking guys and get into mixed sets with those guys and get a good looking wingman and sharpen your game until you can keep the girl’s attention off him just with your skills etc etc

Your brain wants PROOF not PROMISES.

“With that last paragraph in mind, the method of being “present to the moment” is something I hear a lot. Once again, in theory it sounds great and fantastic (you don’t have to think about anything! Just be present man!), but in practice it sounds like a bunch of poetic wording with no accordance with reality.”

lol ya, I have a computer brain so I don’t relate to that woo-woo shit at all. I want technical answers and explanations for everything. “Just feel your intent” lol shut up. Tell me what the fuck that means in practical terms and executable steps. It’s why I gravitated to PUA back in the day, Mystery Method is extremely technical and that resonated with me. I don’t even know if I’d get INTO pickup these days if I saw a lot of the stuff guys are teaching as my first experience with game.

“How the fuck are you supposed to not think about stressful shit from your past or in your future?”

Take action. The more you stand around, the more inside your head you get, and the more those thought loops will just circle and tighten and stifle you. When you take action and throw yourself out of your comfort zone and into a situation where you’re forced to think on the fly, you don’t think of any of that shit because your brain’s greater priority is “deal with this situation we’re in”.

This is again why you can’t learn this stuff just reading…you HAVE to go out infield and take action and fuck your brain in its stupid face.

@scribblerg
“How does it feel to give up on fucking young pussy?”

That’s my view. That’s where I was when I was a lonely hermit nerd virgin before I tried PUA. I was at rock bottom lonely as FUCK and saw no way out. So it was like “ok this going out and approaching girls thing is scary as fuck…but what’s the alternative? Just spend the next 60 years of my life alone and lonely like this? Fuck it, I’ll try it then, ’cause the alternative is worse.” For me the pain of trying and failing became less than the pain of not trying and accepting my bleak future.

Like okay, let’s say looks DO matter. And you’re not good looking. You have to be 6’4″ to get laid and you’re 5’7″. You’re right, it’s impossible. So now what? Are you going to just roll over and wait for the sweet release of death for the next 40 years like a bitch? Or are you going to do what men have done for millions of years and step up and overcome impossible odds and FIND a way to succeed the way a guy like Tyler or Cupid Shmupid or the Simple Pickup guys or myself did?

It’s your choice, no one gives a shit about you or your happiness or your dick’s happiness. If you choose to just give up, that’s fine, the rest of society is laying on their couch watching Netflix to pass time till they die just like you’ll be doing…they’d LOVE to have you join them, it would justify all their failure and lack of effort. “See that? John has joined us on the couch…we TOLD him not to waste his time TRYING, everyone knows a guy in his 50s can’t get young hot pussy. That’s why I never tried, because I already knew it can’t be done. Welcome to the Netflix Couch John, we knew you’d fail and come join us, you want some of these wings? They’re BBQ! Look at this, this is my favorite scene in Game of Thrones you’re gonna love this!”

One of my favorites:

“But what’s the OTHER choice?” (the visuals of the healthy old man and sick old man hit me hard and are why I’m focusing on handling my career/finances right now and have cleaned up my diet and cut out most of my drinking (I get one beer to have something to hold and then just refill it with water in the bathroom the rest of the night) and will probably start working out at some point, though it’ll be to avoid being the sick old man and not to try to attract women lol):

And another:

I watched that “The Martian” Matt Damon movie someone recommended and that movie basically encapsulates pickup. “At some point, everything’s gonna go south on you and you’re going to say, this is it. This is how I end. Now you can either accept that, or you can get to work. That’s all it is. You just begin. You do the math. You solve one problem and you solve the next one, and then the next. And If you solve enough problems, you get to come home.” There’s no emotion involved. You just do it. Because the alternative is die on Mars.

“Consider carefully what Ya is saying here, there is a unique opportunity for us older guys these days that simply didn’t exist before. We have a window if we are willing to work it.”

This is a dynamic I completely didn’t expect. Like, if I didn’t do pickup I wouldn’t even realize what an opportunity this is for older men because I wouldn’t understand all these dynamics. There was a time where I would look at a guy who got divorced at like 45 and be like “man, that guy is FUCKED”…but now? In 2015? That guy can probably handle his shit in a few years and probably pull some hot young poon, because culture has shifted to where older men are sexy to girls.

The funniest part about the looks discussion, is that we’ll all COMPLETELY accept that society has shifted so that “older men are now attractive to young chicks”. Like even Rollo admits that seems to be the case in 2015. It’s not really a controversial thing to accept and there’s lots of proof.

But WHY are older men attractive? Why do girls say “omg I LOVE older men”? Why do girls set their Tinder search to 30+yo men? Are WRINKLES attractive? No. Is the color GREY somehow more attractive than other colors? No. Is the number of their age just magically making girls wet? Like “the number 18 doesn’t make me wet but when I hear the number 45 oh god I want to fuck that guy so bad”? No.

It’s because “being old” (an external) indicates that that guy is LIKELY to have a strong frame, dominance, maturity, wisdom, protectors, guidance, grounded core, won’t take their bullshit, being solid like an oak tree, etc etc compared to their male peers they went to high school and university with. When a girl thinks “old man”, she’s not attractive to his WRINKLES, his crows feet, she doesn’t get wet thinking about wrinkled skin. And she doesn’t picture Bob Saget in Full House. She pictures Liam Neeson in Taken. Liam Neeson is not objectively “sexy”, especially compared to younger jacked dudes…but every chick who watches Taken wants to fuck the shit out of Neeson when the credits roll lol Because the entire movie he’s displaying alpha shit. And then they go to the bar and see an old guy and think “an old guy!! I LOVE old guys, like Liam Neeson in Taken!!”

Like, we accept this dynamic. This makes sense, and especially as old men we’d love it to be true.

But when I say girls looking at the fireman calendar are actually attracted to what those guys’ externals indicate that they are LIKELY TO HAVE in terms of attractive behavioral attributes…THAT’S suddenly controversial. But when I say girls talking about how much they love older men are actually attracted to what those guys’ externals (being old) indicate that they are LIKELY TO HAVE in terms of attractive behavioral attributes…THAT’S acceptable and like “oh ya, obviously”.

For an older guy I would focus on fitness/diet (not worrying about getting jacked but just being HEALTHY so you can handle fucking young girls and late nights and not getting exhausted from socializing and having a bunch of medical issues that take you out of the game or has you on a bunch of fucked up meds etc), MASSIVE internal re-wiring (Julien’s SHIFT has a ton of great internal stuff, find a way to obtain it by any means necessary wink wink). And I would focus on indirect game and social circle game. Indirect game isn’t appreciated anymore since it doesn’t make a good YouTube montage video, it’s boring to watch. But direct game, like what James Marshall is doing, is forcing the girl to make a decision about you INSTANTLY based on your first impression. If you fit somewhere in the mould of the kind of guys she can visualize herself being with, then ya, that can work out great.

But if you are outside of that mould (different race, crazy age different, non-ideal physique/height), then instead of forcing her to make a snap decision where she’s likely to come down on the NO side of the fence, go indirect and demonstrate your high-value for her to observe before having her make her decision and, ideally, learn how to run Mystery Method well enough that SHE ends up choosing YOU, like you don’t even FORCE her to decide, SHE’S deciding based on “wow I like all the things this guy is doing and all the emotions he’s making me feel”.

And I would have an older guy do social circle game because being old means being tired and slow compared to when you were younger. You don’t want to have to run around the bars, wait in lines, go out to nightclubs till 2am…if you follow my guide for building social circles in a new city (search in my archive) and build off it, you can get to the point where you’re meeting hot young women through your circles especially if you’re making an effort to befriend younger people. Like you’re not hanging out in some old-ass pub with a few fat old guys and a toothless old chick. You’re going to GOOD venues that have hot young girls and going on off nights or arriving early and shooting the shit with the staff and introducing girls to young guys so that those guys love you etc So that when you go into a venue that retarded 22yo guy you threw a girl at once is like “YOOO!!! SCRIBBLER-G!! WHAT UP MAN LOLOL” and you think to yourself “fuck society is doomed” but you chuckle a hello and notice the hot young chick he brought with him is looking at you curious about who this old guy is and why her male peer likes him. Next thing you know that young chick is “coincidentally” ordering a drink beside you just waiting for you to open her.

Think of it as a long slow-play instead of a fast high-impact style. Much easier on those old bones. The catch is you’ll need game, because you’ll need to be giving value, and giving good emotions to people is part of game.

“I’m afraid I’d fail and not make it work and blah blah blah.”

lol everyone is. You’re normal. But you can fix that. πŸ˜‰

“My internals are still not there for sure.”

What are you going to do to fix that? I link plenty of resources all the time, lots of internal game stuff. There are hours and hours of videos available to help you fix your internals. You know every time you get into interactions you get one step closer to fixing that shit.

So what’s the plan? How are you gonna get back from Mars? 2016 is coming, let’s see some fucking New Years Resolutions lol

@Dutchman
“Where are the “archives” Tyler is talking about in that vid?”

http://web.archive.org/web/20130817122905/http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/

Password for them is in the description at the top of that page. I recommend Tylers, BradPs, A2daMIR, and MrSex4uNYC the most. Tyler was a fucking beast. It’s all just a forum dump though so like, there’s lots of fluff posts mixed in with the useful content.

@scribblerg
“Just know that I would gladly trade it all for having an intact marriage/family with a good, submissive woman, 4 kids and my first grandkid on the way now.”

Thing is, I’m not sure that’s even an option in 2015 anymore. Like that dream is done. A more realistic option might be like, “a long-term relationship with a girl good, submissive woman that lasts for a solid 10 good years and then kind of peters out and maybe we separate hopefully amicably, and a couple kids who take till their 30s or 40s before they finally pop out a baby because they’re focused on their careers and shit”. That’s something more likely for a guy settling down in 2015.

@scribblerg @theasdgamer
“He looks like he’s having fun even if he gets “blown out”.”

This is the key. And the biggest hurdle. Julien explains here:

When you’re self-amusing, rejections don’t really matter because you’re gaming yourself not the girl. Even if you have a terrible night, you’ve been making yourself laugh (even if it’s just in your own mind) so it doesn’t really sting the way it stings if you’re focused on the outcome (getting the girl) and measuring yourself by that.

Best way I can describe this concept is imagine you go to a bar and there’s a TV and your FAVORITE show is on, and it’s the funniest episode of that show, and you spend an hour laughing your ass off at it. You tell a few girls “wasn’t that funny??” and they roll your eyes but you just lol at how kids don’t appreciate good comedy these days and keep laughing at your show. After it’s over you go home. You didn’t get laid, you even got some negative/neutral responses, but you will still view that as a fun night because you felt good emotions all night.

But put yourself in the same situation minus the TV, and that’s how most guys go out lol They’re not having fun, they’re not self-amusing or doing things to keep themselves interested, they’re focused on success/failure and the outcome so when they leave without getting laid and with some rejections they are CRUSHED and think it’s the worst night ever.

When you’re self-amusing it doesn’t matter how the girl responds. Self-amusement doesn’t have to be crazy knee-slapping over the top shit…it can be as simple as giving a girl a fake name that you think is funny, or telling her you do a job that you don’t actually do that you think is funny when she believes you (like Luke describing Breaking Bad as his job and lol’ing when girls believe him) etc etc. Like, externally you can look deadpan, but internally you’re entertaining yourself and pumping your state and even if the girl walks away you had a fun time.

But we are taught to define our worth by success and failure with women, so it’s hard for guys to shift mental gears like that. ESPECIALLY when they’re in a period of scarcity.

@Andy
“Meh, chatting online is easy. My in-person skills are lacking when I first meet a person.”

This is why cold approach is scoring more bonus points. All these guys out there have been chatting online so much that they don’t know how to approach and game girls in person anymore. It’s like all of my competition decided to tie their legs together in a footrace lol Like great, thanks guys!

Juggler Method is a classic for general social skills and building rapport/comfort with people. PDF is easy to find.

@Blaximus
Everyone caves to social pressure. If you’ve ever not done something you know would disappoint your mom, dad, kids, friends, boxing coach, etc then you cave to social pressure. If you’ve ever held back on swearing around kids or in church, you cave to social pressure. If you’ve ever dressed up for an important event, worn a suit in a job interview, gotten a haircut, spoken respectfully to a police officer, spoken more politely in some company than in other company (around your mom or a date VS your friends), felt uncomfortable being an outsider in a situation (different race, class, or gender from the rest of the room) etc then congratulations, you cave to social pressure.

In fact the “I never back down from a fight when someone disrespects me, I’m not a pussy” attitude a lot of guys have is caving to social pressure.

You just don’t view those situations as such because in your mind when I say “cave to social pressure” you picture the silly elevator examples and 80s “just say no to drugs” commercials lol You don’t realize all the little ways you constantly cave to social pressure because in your mind you think you’re making choices. But the nuance to it is that creating social pressure involves making the person think they’re making the choice themselves by presenting specific social pressure that convinces them to “decide” that what they were going to do is no longer what they want to do and they actively choose to NOT do it or to do something else.

The elevator people cave to simple social pressure, they just don’t want to be thought of as weird in that moment so they conform (also back to the validity of survey data on human behavior, how many of those people if asked on a survey “if someone got on an elevator facing the back of the elevator instead of the door would you turn to face the back too?” would say “YES OF COURSE”? They’d say “no that’s crazy”, but hidden cam footage captures actual behavior).

You basically just calibrate to the person’s value system and whatever you can extrapolate about them to apply social pressure that that specific person will cave to. A guy who feels disrespected when you accidentally bump into him or tool him a little too hard is primarily angry because he feels like the people around him will think less of him if he doesn’t do something about what you just did. Convince him that no one will judge him and the feeling of disrespect goes away.

A guy who’s trained in fighting is probably the EASIEST to diffuse because normal people don’t know how serious fighting is, so they’ll be retarded and take a swing anyway. But a boxer, as you’ve admitted yourself, knows how serious punching someone’s head in is and how deadly they are as a fighter and how punching someone out shouldn’t be taken lightly, because if they’ve had a good coach he’s instilled those values in him, so to diffuse a guy like that all you have to do is convince him that it’s “not worth it”, because he needs it to be “worth it” to justify in his mind swinging that deadly fist of his. Once it’s “not worth it”, he can’t really justify taking the swing to himself anymore…he can be MAD and he can think “that guy is a fucking asshole someone’s gonna punch his lights out one day” but he himself won’t do it because his reason for it has been taken away. So in the end you CHOOSE not to punch me and you feel like it’s your choice and you’ll make up rationalizations for why you didn’t punch me, but the reality is I’m manipulating your options in a way where it’s just more appealing to your brain to not punch me than to punch me when it was the other way around a moment prior.

This is all advanced/nuanced as fuck and you won’t agree with any of it so I’m just typing this to document how it works for the knoweldge-base lol In your mind you think you’ll always take the swing as soon as you decide it’s justified because we all want to be badasses and in the past you’ve taken swings on guys who don’t know how to use social pressure properly and you can’t imagine a situation where the person you want to hit talks you out of it because it hasn’t happened to you before and you’ve never done it yourself because as a boxer you go right to the fists so what I’m describing sounds impossible to you or like it’ll only work on elevator chodes, but that’s the same as how women will say “that game stuff would never work on ME, it might work on those dumb bar sluts (the elevator video people) but I would NEVER fall for that”. πŸ™‚

The only people who don’t cave to social pressure at all are legit sociopaths and generally in prison…as much as guys in the Manosphere love to LARP that they’re sociopaths because it sounds cool to be “Dark Triad”, they’re not lol And real ones that will give no fucks about any consequences whatsoever are pretty easy to avoid…they’re not the fun life of the party they’re the psychopath sitting in a corner twitching and talking to himself lol (exaggerated but you get the idea)

I’m also very aware of my surroundings and try not to get drunk enough to be an easy target and calibrate like a boss. I can read subcomms so I can see fights starting way before they start. I’m usually the guy telling the bouncer “keep an eye on those two, they’re about to get into it” because I want the bar I’m in to stay peaceful because the rest of us are there to have fun and people who want to bring negative dangerous shit into the bar can fuck right off lol I’ve hung with guys who would literally get into bar scraps weekly and taught them how to avoid that shit…most of the guys who get into a lot of fights bring that on themselves because they don’t have social calibration to avoid it and are scared to look like a pussy. I don’t walk into dangerous situations (a group of aggressive drunk guys on a street corner at 3am? I’ll take the long way along the high-traffic road with bright street lamps thanks, I’m not going to walk right through them like an idiot) and walk away when I can tell guys I’m hanging with are going to end up getting into a fight at some point (getting too drunk/aggressive/obnoxious and making enemies etc). I’m at the bar to fuck girls, not to have dick-waving sword-fights with dudes.

I’ve gone out for like 10 years macking girls other guys want to fuck. It’s not a coincidence that I haven’t been in a fight. I’ve pissed plenty of guys off (by accident or just by taking girls they wanted) and been in situations that could VERY EASILY turn into fights if I followed the monkey dance (which is in itself caving to social pressure, letting the other guy rile you up instead of simply not caring), but I have social skills and understand the psychology of what’s happening and I know when to just walk away because I don’t care if people think I’m a pussy. Nothing that happens in a bar is worth fighting over.

Self-defense is cool, it’s good to have some fighting skills incase you get jumped outside a convenience store, but that’s a different thing from bar fights because bar fights are optional. (and none of this is even factoring in that it’s 2015, you’re old (no offense) so you’re still viewing the world as it was in like the 70s or whatever, shit has changed, guys are pussycats with weak frames now, they’re not a lot harder to manipulate than chicks thanks to the FI-conditioning)

@Striver
“But even 101 level game can be a big asset in closing with women who are into your look.”

A lot of us get into game to have selection, not just to take whatever’s handed to us. Like, that’s an acceptable way of doing it, it gets you laid…but it’s rare that your exact type of girl will be the girl who happens to be into your look. The getting laid part is fun at first, but a lot of Naturals who end up jaded and hating “the game” and women end up that way because they never really have CHOICE, they’re just choosing from the girls who’ve sent them blatant iois and AIs and shit.

And I’m more about pushing the overall knowledge-base than dumbing it down for a mass audience. Like, ya if you’re a chode go hit the gym and enjoy the little hits of validation you’ll get from it and try to learn just enough game to turn those into lays if you can. That’s great, I’m happy for you if you do that and you’re happy. But what I’m talking about when I write these rants is the brass tack mechanics of how these dynamics work because it’s important that they’re documented and explored (and CHALLENGED) to fully understand human nature and psychology and get to the truth.

@Is This Thing On?
“One thing that has always bothered me a little though is the somewhat contemptuous attitude of the MRA portion of the manosphere. Granted, a lot of whining goes on in those circles, but the post about James Deen and the rape allegations against him point to the value of the MRAs.”

I agree. I get that the way the MRAs are going about it isn’t ideal, but like, no one else is stepping up to try to change laws and get mainstream coverage of these things. Everyone else is just telling them they suck lol But the reality is 10 years ago I rarely saw anyone speak out in comment section and shit about bullshit situations where men were getting fucked over, and now almost any vid/article I see about this stuff has TONS of commenters, male and female, speaking out against the bullshit and a lot of that is from the MRAs throwing up a fuss and gaining attention whether you think Elam is a dick or Karen is a feminist in disugise or whatever. Doesn’t matter. All that matters right now is getting men off the plantation by any means necessary and a lot of guys who will NEVER read the Manosphere or TRP or PUA shit will look at MRA and MGTOW shit so it’s all good. Roosh’s BBC thing is going to be an epic fail. But that Red Pill movie that chick is making is going to be fucking awesome. I don’t care if a girl or an awesome gay dude (check out Milo’s latest debate VS Rebecca Reid, fucking destroys it with an amazing speech for men at the end) has to promote the messages and we’re butthurt that it’s not a man doing it bla bla, as long as the message gets out there and men start unplugging and looking into it, they’ll find places like TRM or PUA or MGTOW or whatever resonates with them and society will shift.

…infact Milo’s speech is so good I’m gonna risk this post ending up in mod for too many links just so I can link it:

12:50 in this vid Milo scolds her like a boss, then gives an epic speech for men/boys (but watch the full version of this debate, it’s great):

“The point is, I fail to see how game can insulate our young men from this sort of collusion.”

The problem is there’s no way to protect against it. You don’t even have to have MET a girl to get a false rape accusation etc But game can help men understand the dynamics at play and not walk blind into a lot of traps that are set for them and keep the hive mind chill and learn to slip through the loopholes that allow certain men to get away with behavior that other men can’t.

Like here’s some infield footage of how certain guys can act one way and girls will love it while other guys will get scolded for it:

@kfg
“Under conditions such as that, young men have been known to become dangerous.”

VR-porn and Netflix and videogames etc will help neuter that.

@scribblerg
“I get stalled as I escalate. I have trouble isolating, I need to do volume to get better at that but it scares the shit out of me for some reason. It’s like I’ve given myself permission to approach and be flirty and get the vibe going but I think that escalating will just crash me.”

lol standard sticking point, don’t sweat it. This is just your brain wanting to preserve your ego. You get a good reaction and it’s going well and your brain doesn’t want to risk blowing the set so it either holds back on escalating or makes you eject the set because then you can leave it on a good validation high-note and not feel bad feels. But if you escalate or keep going, you might blow it and get the dreaded BAD FEELS and then your ego has to say “oh shit does this mean I’m NOT attractive??” and as an old dude especially you don’t want evidence that you might NOT be attractive so your brain won’t make a move on her unless it has MASSIVE green lights (which she probably won’t give because, ironically, having the balls to RISK that failure and make a move on her is often what can make her give the green light (not always of course)).

“He admits to “being an asshole” when he was younger and apologizes to anyone he’s harmed several times in the piece.”

He’s admitting to being an asshole in terms of being a shitty boyfriend not a rapist. Like, he’s acknowledging that look I’m not a GREAT guy, that’s why these ex-girlfriends hate my ass, I was a dick, but that’s not the same as admitting to rape. He’s just trying to give an explanation of like look, they are totally justified in hating me as a boyfriend, but this other stuff is nonsense.

“One tactic the PUA’s had and it is hard to get information on is an old Style tactic called Eliciting Values. Very poorly described in the manosphere and very poorly illustrated by Neil Strauss in a video. Maybe YaReally can expound about this old tactic or link to one of his archives.”

Todd explaining it:

I can’t find the clip (I think it was a live webinar or something) but he broke down that infield footage way more in-depth and the jist of it was that he quizzes her for what kind of shit she does and reads her value system off of that, because she’s into self-help and motivational speaking he makes sure to focus more on those aspects of his lifestyle (speaking to groups of men and motivating them etc) whereas with a girl who’s into like, hardcore business stuff he would focus more on those aspects of it (being an entrepreneur businessman etc).

It’s just kind of quickly figuring out what the girl’s value system is. Works with guys too, it’s how I befriend guys who are very different from me…I just read what their value system is. Like I would talk about boxing and martial arts etc with Blaximus if I wanted to win him over because it’s clear that’s part of his value system. But with someone else I would focus on another subject. And for negging/devalidating girls and deflating rich/good-looking/manly AMOGs, I do the same thing where I read what their value system is and then undermine it, usually in an innocent way where it’s not malicious it’s just accidental that I make the girls we’re talking to think whatever that guy’s value system is, is silly so that he loses his value and his frame is shaken. An expensive watch is only impressive when the people you’re showing it to value expensive watches…use subtle psychology to make the group no longer value expensive watches and that expensive watch no longer holds value and the guy wearing it no longer feels like a boss.

@Cosby
No idea on that shit, but I’ve seen plenty of girls who get themselves fucked up in the hopes that a high-value guy will fuck them and all I can think is “man that’s not going to end well” lol It’s a pet peeve of mine when I meet a cool chick and she runs off and gets loaded thinking that that’ll help me make moves on her (because she’s used to guys needing her to be drunk and needing to be drunk with her). It blows their mind when I tell them to have water or not get too drunk and escalate on them when we’re sober in the daytime etc.

@immoralgables
“Can you expend (as much as you’re able to) on how you built up your niche in the club scene?”

Search for “new city” in my archives for a basic gameplan.

@Enrique @scribblerg
Some people were just unfortunate in the luck of the draw and were born to a family of poisonous people and/or peers and cutting them out can help. I had an excellent home life and I understand how fortunate I am to have had that, but I’ve known people who weren’t as lucky as me and who have family members that absolutely cripple them and their potential and that I would applaud them cutting out of their lives. The way I see it your family/friends/etc owe you support and positive emotions to help you grow, and in exchange you owe them the same. But when they actively decide to stop holding up their end of the deal and actively choose to hold you back and bring you negative poison that cripples your development, you’re under no obligation to allow them to be a part of your life.

@IlliadsTangent
“How does improving SMV work for a man $150,000 + in the hole due to a divorce , or paying $2000+ monthly for child support and /or alimony?”

In terms of sheer pickup, there are plenty of bars out there with no cover that serve glasses of water, and plenty of public venues with girls to run daygame on for free. Long as you have half an hour a day that you can dedicate to approaching women none of that matters…unless you’re trying to marry and have kids with them, but presumably you’re not looking to make the same mistake twice and you already have kids you don’t get to see as it is so I’m assuming you mean in terms of getting and fucking hot girls.

I could be paying a million dollars in alimony a month and no girl would have a clue because there’s no time where my financial situation has any relevance in our relationship.


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@scribblerg
The ego-preservation is even worse for you because you used to be a pimp with girls. So your brain won’t want to take any chances on fucking up that self-image, especially since it logically views success with these girls as being harder at your age than when you were in your prime so it thinks “look we were able to pull this off in our prime, but NOW it’s WAY harder so just don’t even try to push it, just be happy with the validation cause you’re probably going to bomb and then you’re going to have to worry that maybe you aren’t the badass player you used to be anymore and your buddy will see it and your buddy knew you were amazing with girls before so he’s expecting to see a show, do you really wanna risk getting blown out in front of him just get some easy validation that’s more than he could ever do and send her on her way and enjoy the bro-fives he gives you for how pimp you are even though you’re still going home dick in hand.

Want a quick fix? Do the thing your ego wants you to do the least. Purposely get blown out and purposely fuck some sets up in front of your buddy. When you destroy your ego you become free to do what you want. Approach Anxiety is partly ego-based, we don’t want to risk getting blown out. We don’t even WANT the girl…we just want to NOT GET REJECTED lol We don’t play to win, we play to not lose. To preserve our ego and our sense of identity.

So to escape that, you have to bring the whole system down and give your ego nothing that it can grasp onto to say “I’m still this pimp player”. You have to beat it into submission until it says “okay, we were that before but we aren’t that now, shit is different now, I accept and acknowledge that, now let’s fix it.”

We all run into this. And even when you fix it it’ll come back in other forms (like the guy who discovers zen shit about not having an ego and then walks around saying “look at all these people trapped in their ego, not like ME, I’m enlightened”, whoops right back into the trap lol). The hardest situation for me to game in is actually a situation where everyone with me expects me to be a super-pimp infield and I feel like I have to live up to some image they have of me. That’s why sarging with a good PUA buddy helps, because I can crash and burn hard in front of him without being judged so it’s easier to loosen up and have fun and not worry about the outcome. That’s why I respect pickup instructors who have to go out every night and people are paying them thousands to succeed…I don’t even know if I could perform under that kind of pressure lol I think it would be hard to enjoy that…but then some people thrive under pressure. Gotta find what works for you.


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@scribblerg
The ego-preservation is even worse for you because you used to be a pimp with girls. So your brain won’t want to take any chances on fucking up that self-image, especially since it logically views success with these girls as being harder at your age than when you were in your prime so it thinks “look we were able to pull this off in our prime, but NOW it’s WAY harder so just don’t even try to push it, just be happy with the validation cause you’re probably going to bomb and then you’re going to have to worry that maybe you aren’t the badass player you used to be anymore and your buddy will see it and your buddy knew you were amazing with girls before so he’s expecting to see a show, do you really wanna risk getting blown out in front of him just get some easy validation that’s more than he could ever do and send her on her way and enjoy the bro-fives he gives you for how pimp you are even though you’re still going home dick in hand.

Want a quick fix? Do the thing your ego wants you to do the least. Purposely get blown out and purposely fuck some sets up in front of your buddy. When you destroy your ego you become free to do what you want. Approach Anxiety is partly ego-based, we don’t want to risk getting blown out. We don’t even WANT the girl…we just want to NOT GET REJECTED lol We don’t play to win, we play to not lose. To preserve our ego and our sense of identity.

So to escape that, you have to bring the whole system down and give your ego nothing that it can grasp onto to say “I’m still this pimp player”. You have to beat it into submission until it says “okay, we were that before but we aren’t that now, shit is different now, I accept and acknowledge that, now let’s fix it.”

We all run into this. And even when you fix it it’ll come back in other forms (like the guy who discovers zen shit about not having an ego and then walks around saying “look at all these people trapped in their ego, not like ME, I’m enlightened”, whoops right back into the trap lol). The hardest situation for me to game in is actually a situation where everyone with me expects me to be a super-pimp infield and I feel like I have to live up to some image they have of me. That’s why sarging with a good PUA buddy helps, because I can crash and burn hard in front of him without being judged so it’s easier to loosen up and have fun and not worry about the outcome. That’s why I respect pickup instructors who have to go out every night and people are paying them thousands to succeed…I don’t even know if I could perform under that kind of pressure lol I think it would be hard to enjoy that…but then some people thrive under pressure. Gotta find what works for you.


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Props dude, good to hear the details of how you came up outside of the FRs. Never would’ve imagined you’d have the lifestyle you have now back when you wrote about those girls dissing you on the dance floor when your buddy goaded you to go try to dance with them hey? lol

Also I was the same way with having to learn just basic social skills first. Thing is Mystery Method gives you SOMETHING to get out there because the only advice anyone really has for general socializing is like “just be cool man” “just make small talk” and for some of us it’s like “BUT WHAT IS SMALL TALK?? WHAT DO I ASK ABOUT??” lol So it kind of gets you attempting to tell stories or ask rapport questions etc even if you can’t really form it into a full out coherent structure that gets you laid. Then when you get out there enough that you finally get enough social experience to be not a social retard, then you revisit MM and it’s like “ohhh I get where this fits in now, and why this didn’t work for me before” etc.

That’s why I always warn guys like, depending on how socially retarded you are when you start, this isn’t a FAST journey. You’re not gonna fix 20+ years of being retarded in a couple of months. In the old days we went in knowing it could take a year before we saw decent consistent results. Tyler was so fucked up that it was like a year or two before he had any real success. I lucked out in that I had good close childhood friends so I knew how to socialize when I was in ideal comfortable situations like just hanging out with a buddy or two playing videogames…but if some new person came into the room that I didn’t know I would just clam up quiet and I didn’t know how to befriend people or interact with people in groups or with people I didn’t know etc so I had a lot of “just being normal” to learn. But so I took to talking one on one with girls faster than someone like Tyler who was completely socially retarded lol

That’s why it’s important to celebrate the little victories and enjoy the process. It’s a long one, but the rewards are worth it and the alternative is stay where you are…so embrace the rollercoaster.

@everyone else
Doing what Scray did is great for getting huge in the nightlife (especially the nightclub scene), but you don’t need to go that hardcore with it if you’re an older dude and you’re reading that thinking “fuck that’s way too much work, I’m old”. You can do similar stuff by just chilling on a bar stool with a pint and shooting the shit with bartenders on off-nights or early in the night and opening whoever’s beside you ordering a drink (one tactic I’ll use sometimes if I’m feeling low-energy is hit a younger people venue with drink/shot specials and just sit at the bar for the night as it fills up. Tip the bartender ’cause you’re taking up space and you might have to get off the stool when it fills up more, but you should get a couple hours of girls and groups coming up to order drinks beside you. A lot of the girls ordering drinks beside you, if there are other parts of that bar they could get drinks from (like there’s a bunch of empty space to your left/right), are probably looking to be opened.

But the basic idea of befriending the staff and building connections is good for an older dude. It cuts down the amount of work you have to do. I’m traveling a bit and keeping a low profile in general right now so I’m purposely heading out ice cold anonymous, and it’s absolutely not the most efficient way of getting laid, but I like the challenge and when I get older I’ll focus more on building social circles again. I already did that stuff pretty hardcore in a previous city and it was fun but it’s easier for me to keep my drinking/spending in check heading out solo or with a good wingman who’s on the same page as me with that shit (we’re out to meet girls not to get wasted).

@scribblerg
Props on going out. Sounds like you’re on the right track in terms of headspace and general overall strategy. Stick with it. The biggest problem guys have is finding ways to make pickup FUN, instead of a chore or a devastating ego rape every night lol That’s where a lot of self-amusement stuff comes in…it’s FUNNY to me to approach a group and pretend I know them or when they finally ask if I know them point to the most receptive girl in the group and say “oh ya her and I used to date but I broke up with her because she was terrible in bed” etc Like, even if I get blown out, that was still a funny interaction to me so I don’t go home hating life. The nights I hit the low parts of the emotional rollercoaster are when I don’t take action and let Approach Anxiety overwhelm me or chicken out of escalating to preserve my ego and know I should have gone for it and risked the blowout etc.

Also anyone who read Scray’s story there, if you cringed hard when you got to the part where he admits to other men that he’s not good with women, that’s ego causing that reaction. You don’t have to do it that way, you can just say like “oh I just moved to the city and I’m trying to get out and meet people now that work is a bit slower”, but like, Scray hit the rock bottom he needed to hit to make a drastic change and take learning pickup seriously. He got to the point where admitting to other men (who GET women) that he can’t get women, was less painful than not improving, so he let go of his ego and just did what it took and now he’s reaping the rewards and will for the rest of his life.

Again you don’t have to admit to people that you suck with women, but you may have to admit it to YOURSELF to get the leverage you need to make a drastic change. ;)


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@Scray
Props dude, good to hear the details of how you came up outside of the FRs. Never would’ve imagined you’d have the lifestyle you have now back when you wrote about those girls dissing you on the dance floor when your buddy goaded you to go try to dance with them hey? lol

Also I was the same way with having to learn just basic social skills first. Thing is Mystery Method gives you SOMETHING to get out there because the only advice anyone really has for general socializing is like “just be cool man” “just make small talk” and for some of us it’s like “BUT WHAT IS SMALL TALK?? WHAT DO I ASK ABOUT??” lol So it kind of gets you attempting to tell stories or ask rapport questions etc even if you can’t really form it into a full out coherent structure that gets you laid. Then when you get out there enough that you finally get enough social experience to be not a social retard, then you revisit MM and it’s like “ohhh I get where this fits in now, and why this didn’t work for me before” etc.

That’s why I always warn guys like, depending on how socially retarded you are when you start, this isn’t a FAST journey. You’re not gonna fix 20+ years of being retarded in a couple of months. In the old days we went in knowing it could take a year before we saw decent consistent results. Tyler was so fucked up that it was like a year or two before he had any real success. I lucked out in that I had good close childhood friends so I knew how to socialize when I was in ideal comfortable situations like just hanging out with a buddy or two playing videogames…but if some new person came into the room that I didn’t know I would just clam up quiet and I didn’t know how to befriend people or interact with people in groups or with people I didn’t know etc so I had a lot of “just being normal” to learn. But so I took to talking one on one with girls faster than someone like Tyler who was completely socially retarded lol

That’s why it’s important to celebrate the little victories and enjoy the process. It’s a long one, but the rewards are worth it and the alternative is stay where you are…so embrace the rollercoaster.

@everyone else
Doing what Scray did is great for getting huge in the nightlife (especially the nightclub scene), but you don’t need to go that hardcore with it if you’re an older dude and you’re reading that thinking “fuck that’s way too much work, I’m old”. You can do similar stuff by just chilling on a bar stool with a pint and shooting the shit with bartenders on off-nights or early in the night and opening whoever’s beside you ordering a drink (one tactic I’ll use sometimes if I’m feeling low-energy is hit a younger people venue with drink/shot specials and just sit at the bar for the night as it fills up. Tip the bartender ’cause you’re taking up space and you might have to get off the stool when it fills up more, but you should get a couple hours of girls and groups coming up to order drinks beside you. A lot of the girls ordering drinks beside you, if there are other parts of that bar they could get drinks from (like there’s a bunch of empty space to your left/right), are probably looking to be opened.

But the basic idea of befriending the staff and building connections is good for an older dude. It cuts down the amount of work you have to do. I’m traveling a bit and keeping a low profile in general right now so I’m purposely heading out ice cold anonymous, and it’s absolutely not the most efficient way of getting laid, but I like the challenge and when I get older I’ll focus more on building social circles again. I already did that stuff pretty hardcore in a previous city and it was fun but it’s easier for me to keep my drinking/spending in check heading out solo or with a good wingman who’s on the same page as me with that shit (we’re out to meet girls not to get wasted).

@scribblerg
Props on going out. Sounds like you’re on the right track in terms of headspace and general overall strategy. Stick with it. The biggest problem guys have is finding ways to make pickup FUN, instead of a chore or a devastating ego rape every night lol That’s where a lot of self-amusement stuff comes in…it’s FUNNY to me to approach a group and pretend I know them or when they finally ask if I know them point to the most receptive girl in the group and say “oh ya her and I used to date but I broke up with her because she was terrible in bed” etc Like, even if I get blown out, that was still a funny interaction to me so I don’t go home hating life. The nights I hit the low parts of the emotional rollercoaster are when I don’t take action and let Approach Anxiety overwhelm me or chicken out of escalating to preserve my ego and know I should have gone for it and risked the blowout etc.

Also anyone who read Scray’s story there, if you cringed hard when you got to the part where he admits to other men that he’s not good with women, that’s ego causing that reaction. You don’t have to do it that way, you can just say like “oh I just moved to the city and I’m trying to get out and meet people now that work is a bit slower”, but like, Scray hit the rock bottom he needed to hit to make a drastic change and take learning pickup seriously. He got to the point where admitting to other men (who GET women) that he can’t get women, was less painful than not improving, so he let go of his ego and just did what it took and now he’s reaping the rewards and will for the rest of his life.

Again you don’t have to admit to people that you suck with women, but you may have to admit it to YOURSELF to get the leverage you need to make a drastic change. πŸ˜‰


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@scribblerg
“as neither of you have bothered to actually study it”

Don’t tell me what I have and haven’t done, you don’t know anything about me except the cartoon vision of what you picture a PUA is. You made the same “YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING BRO” claim about webcam girl shit making assumptions about what I know and what I’ve researched and studied and you were wrong.

I’ve been following topics like this in-depth for a looooong time. Do I seem like a guy that isn’t heavily invested in studying men’s issues even if they aren’t directly relevant to me? Like you’re the only guy who’s had his kids brainwashed and been replaced by a new dad? Like men’s rights and red pill and MGTOW forums aren’t overflowing with guys who’ve gone through the same PA bullshit? Like I don’t have friends with kids or going through or having been through divorces that I would want to have an understanding of these things to help them avoid it or deal with it? Like people haven’t deconstructed divorce dynamics in and out thoroughly to help other men avoid ending up in a PA situation?

You’re not a special snowflake and the dynamics behind your situation are explainable.

Hell, here’s 535 TRP community comments just breaking down and discussing what to do from day ONE if you accidentally get a one night stand pregnant and want to maximize your odds of getting fair (if not full) custody just on the remote off-chance that at some point in the next 18 years she tries to fuck you over and take your accidental kid away from you:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3vri4k/you_got_a_stranger_pregnant_a_guide/

Like that guy says: “The only, ONLY, reason I was prepared for all the false allegations, the toxicity, the back stabbery, the nonsense, the insanity, and the court system was you all and this community. Very few guys naturally would ever think the way I was forced to think. I was never flatfooted on ANYTHING she did because I was able to anticipate it months in advance (false rape allegations, domestic disputes with the police, etc) and thanks to you guys I knew how important maintaining frame was throughout all of this.”

And here’s a bunch of shit specifically on Parental Alienation, everything from news stories to documentaries to men sharing their stories and comparing notes and asking eachother for advice and what professional advice they’ve gotten on it etc I’ve been following and studying this shit from a red pill perspective for years:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/search?q=parental+alienation&sort=comments&restrict_sr=on

Hell here’s a random click of those:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1dvods/alienation_after_nasty_divorce_what_can_i_do/

“Since I’ve moved out, 2 of our daughters have refused to have any contact with me. They are now 15 and 20. If I approach, all I get is 100% resentment.”

Did you write that? Is that your post? No, it’s not. It’s some other guy who’s gone through similar shit. And there are fuckloads of them, and their pain and shitty situation is every bit as real as yours.

Here’s some more shit, you don’t have some secret knowledge that no one else with the internet and time to study doesn’t have access to:

http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/pas/byrne89.htm

All this shit has red pill understanding of human psychology wired into it whether you consciously understand the red pill in-depth enough to see it or not. Brainwashing a kid with tactics like convincing them what his dad is doing as “not good enough” or somehow “selfish” and that he doesn’t care etc is just standard reframing tactics. Convincing the kid to invest in not wanting to see the dad is standard “make them invest” baby-stepping compliance tactics to build those feelings in someone over time. Contrasting a new dad with the old dad to make the new dad seem better is the same dynamic as what we do infield to raise one guy’s value and lower another’s..

I get that it’s personal for you and you think no one can understand because that’s what we do as humans (same dynamic behind “you guys don’t understand, this isn’t one-itis, this girl is SPECIAL” and “you guys don’t understand, it’s harder for me to do this even if other people in my position have done it, my situation is SPECIAL”), but the reality is that you’re not a unique snowflake.

You just ended up in a shitty place and want to believe that there was no avoiding it because that’s more comforting than accepting that there may have been pro-active steps you could have taken to help with the situation had you been able to be better informed from day one, which you weren’t and isn’t your fault, but doesn’t make your situation some inexplainable random anomally in human psychology like all the rules just went out the window and taking your pent-up shit out on me isn’t going to do anything but keep you pissed off.

I don’t even care if you stay too pissed off to ever understand these dynamics, but other men need to be aware that they should do their research before even HAVING a kid, so they can understand the dynamics that contribute to Parental Alienation (from how their special unicorn is capable of doing it even if they think she won’t because AWALT, to what potential behavior/signs to expect and look out for from their ex-wives, to how dynamics shift when a step-dad is introduced into the equation, to how to secure as much time with the kids as possible and how to act around the kids to try to neutralize as much of that shit as possible) to maximize their odds of avoiding your situation.

I’m happy to not discuss the topic because I don’t care, but you brought my name up lashing out trying to discredit me and that turns other men away from checking out resources that may help them avoid ending up like you and I’m here to help men prepare themselves for the reality of these situations even if it makes you cranky that I won’t just nod my head and go “you’re right dude, your situation was unique and impossible to explain” just because you shout at the computer screen like a child trying to win an argument by screaming louder.

@theasdgamer
Don’t use my one very reluctant agreement as some kind of universal endorsement of your shit, ’cause I don’t really disagree with Longgone’s analysis either.

Fucking old men wrapped up in high-school drama in here this week lol It’s Friday night, go let off some steam away from the keyboards.


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on December 11th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
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@scribblerg
“as neither of you have bothered to actually study it”

Don’t tell me what I have and haven’t done, you don’t know anything about me except the cartoon vision of what you picture a PUA is. You made the same “YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING BRO” claim about webcam girl shit making assumptions about what I know and what I’ve researched and studied and you were wrong.

I’ve been following topics like this in-depth for a looooong time. Do I seem like a guy that isn’t heavily invested in studying men’s issues even if they aren’t directly relevant to me? Like you’re the only guy who’s had his kids brainwashed and been replaced by a new dad? Like men’s rights and red pill and MGTOW forums aren’t overflowing with guys who’ve gone through the same PA bullshit? Like I don’t have friends with kids or going through or having been through divorces that I would want to have an understanding of these things to help them avoid it or deal with it? Like people haven’t deconstructed divorce dynamics in and out thoroughly to help other men avoid ending up in a PA situation?

You’re not a special snowflake and the dynamics behind your situation are explainable.

Hell, here’s 535 TRP community comments just breaking down and discussing what to do from day ONE if you accidentally get a one night stand pregnant and want to maximize your odds of getting fair (if not full) custody just on the remote off-chance that at some point in the next 18 years she tries to fuck you over and take your accidental kid away from you:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3vri4k/you_got_a_stranger_pregnant_a_guide/

Like that guy says: “The only, ONLY, reason I was prepared for all the false allegations, the toxicity, the back stabbery, the nonsense, the insanity, and the court system was you all and this community. Very few guys naturally would ever think the way I was forced to think. I was never flatfooted on ANYTHING she did because I was able to anticipate it months in advance (false rape allegations, domestic disputes with the police, etc) and thanks to you guys I knew how important maintaining frame was throughout all of this.”

And here’s a bunch of shit specifically on Parental Alienation, everything from news stories to documentaries to men sharing their stories and comparing notes and asking eachother for advice and what professional advice they’ve gotten on it etc I’ve been following and studying this shit from a red pill perspective for years:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/search?q=parental+alienation&sort=comments&restrict_sr=on

Hell here’s a random click of those:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1dvods/alienation_after_nasty_divorce_what_can_i_do/

“Since I’ve moved out, 2 of our daughters have refused to have any contact with me. They are now 15 and 20. If I approach, all I get is 100% resentment.”

Did you write that? Is that your post? No, it’s not. It’s some other guy who’s gone through similar shit. And there are fuckloads of them, and their pain and shitty situation is every bit as real as yours.

Here’s some more shit, you don’t have some secret knowledge that no one else with the internet and time to study doesn’t have access to:

http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/pas/byrne89.htm

All this shit has red pill understanding of human psychology wired into it whether you consciously understand the red pill in-depth enough to see it or not. Brainwashing a kid with tactics like convincing them what his dad is doing as “not good enough” or somehow “selfish” and that he doesn’t care etc is just standard reframing tactics. Convincing the kid to invest in not wanting to see the dad is standard “make them invest” baby-stepping compliance tactics to build those feelings in someone over time. Contrasting a new dad with the old dad to make the new dad seem better is the same dynamic as what we do infield to raise one guy’s value and lower another’s..

I get that it’s personal for you and you think no one can understand because that’s what we do as humans (same dynamic behind “you guys don’t understand, this isn’t one-itis, this girl is SPECIAL” and “you guys don’t understand, it’s harder for me to do this even if other people in my position have done it, my situation is SPECIAL”), but the reality is that you’re not a unique snowflake.

You just ended up in a shitty place and want to believe that there was no avoiding it because that’s more comforting than accepting that there may have been pro-active steps you could have taken to help with the situation had you been able to be better informed from day one, which you weren’t and isn’t your fault, but doesn’t make your situation some inexplainable random anomally in human psychology like all the rules just went out the window and taking your pent-up shit out on me isn’t going to do anything but keep you pissed off.

I don’t even care if you stay too pissed off to ever understand these dynamics, but other men need to be aware that they should do their research before even HAVING a kid, so they can understand the dynamics that contribute to Parental Alienation (from how their special unicorn is capable of doing it even if they think she won’t because AWALT, to what potential behavior/signs to expect and look out for from their ex-wives, to how dynamics shift when a step-dad is introduced into the equation, to how to secure as much time with the kids as possible and how to act around the kids to try to neutralize as much of that shit as possible) to maximize their odds of avoiding your situation.

I’m happy to not discuss the topic because I don’t care, but you brought my name up lashing out trying to discredit me and that turns other men away from checking out resources that may help them avoid ending up like you and I’m here to help men prepare themselves for the reality of these situations even if it makes you cranky that I won’t just nod my head and go “you’re right dude, your situation was unique and impossible to explain” just because you shout at the computer screen like a child trying to win an argument by screaming louder.

@theasdgamer
Don’t use my one very reluctant agreement as some kind of universal endorsement of your shit, ’cause I don’t really disagree with Longgone’s analysis either.

Fucking old men wrapped up in high-school drama in here this week lol It’s Friday night, go let off some steam away from the keyboards.


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on December 12th, 2015 at 9:46 am
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RSDOzzie is 44 years old (maybe 45 now? He LOOKS 50, he’s not some pretty-boy Clooney old man, his face looks like the Joker and his hair is all scraggly lol). Here’s some infield for the “looks/age/money/clothes/etc matter” crowd. Ozzie steals a girl who’s with a younger better looking taller guy in a nicer outfit who’s groping her up and you can watch the girl switch from the guy to him as she starts touching him more and turning away from the guy:

Even without words (and without seeing whether he actually takes her away from the guy or not) you can see how Ozzie takes over the set (with proper group theory, he opens the guy first to disarm him and come off slightly cooler than him till the girl starts laughing and shows signs of attraction by jumping into the conversation) and makes the guy supplicate to him (the high-five, which he “HAS” to do because the girl already complied happily to it so he’ll look boring/lame if he doesn’t high-five too, but now he’s letting social pressure and outcome dependence dictate his behavior) and you can see the girl’s attraction switching as she starts ignoring the guy for him. It doesn’t take much to take it from there to actually taking her away from the guy…once she’s “chosen” him, there’s nothing the guy can really do about it because he’d be going against her wishes. (the guy SHOULD’VE just wrapped his arms around her hips and picked her up and carried her to another part of the room while saying “ignore him that’s some gay guy that keeps hitting on me, creepy old man wants to touch my cock” and isolated her away from him…but he doesn’t want to break social convention by doing something “rude” like that, and we know and exploit that lol)

What he’s describing here, about the other guy getting the girl into a sexual state (spiking her Buying Temperature up) and then just taking her from him is what oldcshool Tyler talked about way back around The Game days:

http://bristollair.com/2008/outer-game/pua-tactics/stealing-horny-chicks/

If you just told someone “oh a guy in his mid-40s in a t-shirt can just go up to a better looking better dressed younger guy and girl isolated in a corner and open them without getting his ass kicked and the girl will switch to him” it’s like “oh well he must be jacked” “nope, he’s shorter and skinnier” “that’s crazy, we don’t have any scientific papers or self-surveys that say THAT should happen”. But we’ve been out infield doing this stuff for like 10 years. The evidence is out there, but most guys would NEVER approach a set like this to find out for themselves how these dynamics work.

The whole video has good points in it about pushing your comfort zone and isolating the girl and disarming her friends etc. And I don’t normally like Ozzie’s stuff.

Here he is a few years ago talking about being old in the game in general:

I’m not saying you HAVE to go approach sets like this, but like, this is the reason we understand these dynamics so thoroughly, because we’re actually out there doing this shit and seeing what REALLY happens instead of listening to naysayers or people who are convinced that if anyone ever talked to their MMA buddy’s girl they would instantly flying-uppercut them across the room.

If you’re NOT out there going up against these guys for <25yo poon, instead you're leaving at midnight to go home to your wife or whatever, if you walked away while this guy and girl were against the wall you would think "see, looks matter, that guy is gonna get that girl, it makes perfect sense look at his nice dress shirt and he's a young dude so it makes sense that he would get her, my world view is intact and my belief system is reinforced". But 5 min after you leave this skinny short mid-40s dude in a t-shirt walks in and a minute later it's a 50-50 coin flip to who's going to get her, and if he sticks in there and then moves her away from him and blows him out (like he says most guys will just fuck off once the girl has chosen you), the mid-40s t-shirt guy gets the hot young girl but you didn't see it because you weren't there for the REAL game.

(also note that his student is a big tall dude) in a nice shirt, but that guy is paying $2000 or whatever for this old guy to show him how to attract women)

@SJF
Wasn't referring to you lol

@Blaximus
A lot of Naturals have a hard time understanding what the average dude is like out there because they can't relate to a lot of the mental baggage and awkward social skills etc these guys have been living with for most of their lives and how much work they have to do just to become NORMAL let alone go into a club and have girls approach them:

Here's the first episode:

We can get these guys to eventually develop solid social skills, and if they stick with it even get them LAID. That's a fucking miracle, these are guys that should've been weeded out of evolution lol And these aren't just like, a handful of extreme cases they picked for the show, these guys are EVERYWHERE.

Next time you're at a kiddie nightclub, talk to some of the young guys there and try to get them to approach girls. And those are the ones with enough balls to leave their apartment and enter a chaotic nightclub situation which is nowhere near the majority of guys.

This is also why Naturals generally don't make good teachers btw. Being able to do something and being able to teach something aren't the same thing, often a Natural just gets frustrated with beta guys because they won't just "man up" and the Natural doesn't even really understand what he's doing himself (like your "I dunno what I'm doing I just attract Sofia chicks cuz I'm a boss" attitude lol), so it's hard for them to teach. Whereas as someone who's learned this stuff consciously, if I watched you infield for a bit I could tell you literally everything you're doing that you don't realize you're doing that causes girls to come up to you and be attracted.

We younger guys aren't jaded and cynical. We just live in a different world than you did, and our women have been programmed with different social conditioning than yours were, and we've all been bombarded with 100000000x more social conditioning (thanks to media/internet/etc VS like, listening to the radio between doing chores and playing outside or whatever you guys did as kids lol). Our reaction is what's necessary to survive and prosper in this new world. We're simply adapting and evolving, even if it looks like madness to the older guys lol


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on December 12th, 2015 at 9:46 am
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RSDOzzie is 44 years old (maybe 45 now? He LOOKS 50, he’s not some pretty-boy Clooney old man, his face looks like the Joker and his hair is all scraggly lol). Here’s some infield for the “looks/age/money/clothes/etc matter” crowd. Ozzie steals a girl who’s with a younger better looking taller guy in a nicer outfit who’s groping her up and you can watch the girl switch from the guy to him as she starts touching him more and turning away from the guy:

Even without words (and without seeing whether he actually takes her away from the guy or not) you can see how Ozzie takes over the set (with proper group theory, he opens the guy first to disarm him and come off slightly cooler than him till the girl starts laughing and shows signs of attraction by jumping into the conversation) and makes the guy supplicate to him (the high-five, which he “HAS” to do because the girl already complied happily to it so he’ll look boring/lame if he doesn’t high-five too, but now he’s letting social pressure and outcome dependence dictate his behavior) and you can see the girl’s attraction switching as she starts ignoring the guy for him. It doesn’t take much to take it from there to actually taking her away from the guy…once she’s “chosen” him, there’s nothing the guy can really do about it because he’d be going against her wishes. (the guy SHOULD’VE just wrapped his arms around her hips and picked her up and carried her to another part of the room while saying “ignore him that’s some gay guy that keeps hitting on me, creepy old man wants to touch my cock” and isolated her away from him…but he doesn’t want to break social convention by doing something “rude” like that, and we know and exploit that lol)

What he’s describing here, about the other guy getting the girl into a sexual state (spiking her Buying Temperature up) and then just taking her from him is what oldcshool Tyler talked about way back around The Game days:

http://bristollair.com/2008/outer-game/pua-tactics/stealing-horny-chicks/

If you just told someone “oh a guy in his mid-40s in a t-shirt can just go up to a better looking better dressed younger guy and girl isolated in a corner and open them without getting his ass kicked and the girl will switch to him” it’s like “oh well he must be jacked” “nope, he’s shorter and skinnier” “that’s crazy, we don’t have any scientific papers or self-surveys that say THAT should happen”. But we’ve been out infield doing this stuff for like 10 years. The evidence is out there, but most guys would NEVER approach a set like this to find out for themselves how these dynamics work.

The whole video has good points in it about pushing your comfort zone and isolating the girl and disarming her friends etc. And I don’t normally like Ozzie’s stuff.

Here he is a few years ago talking about being old in the game in general:

I’m not saying you HAVE to go approach sets like this, but like, this is the reason we understand these dynamics so thoroughly, because we’re actually out there doing this shit and seeing what REALLY happens instead of listening to naysayers or people who are convinced that if anyone ever talked to their MMA buddy’s girl they would instantly flying-uppercut them across the room.

If you’re NOT out there going up against these guys for <25yo poon, instead you're leaving at midnight to go home to your wife or whatever, if you walked away while this guy and girl were against the wall you would think "see, looks matter, that guy is gonna get that girl, it makes perfect sense look at his nice dress shirt and he's a young dude so it makes sense that he would get her, my world view is intact and my belief system is reinforced". But 5 min after you leave this skinny short mid-40s dude in a t-shirt walks in and a minute later it's a 50-50 coin flip to who's going to get her, and if he sticks in there and then moves her away from him and blows him out (like he says most guys will just fuck off once the girl has chosen you), the mid-40s t-shirt guy gets the hot young girl but you didn't see it because you weren't there for the REAL game.

(also note that his student is a big tall dude) in a nice shirt, but that guy is paying $2000 or whatever for this old guy to show him how to attract women)

@SJF
Wasn't referring to you lol

@Blaximus
A lot of Naturals have a hard time understanding what the average dude is like out there because they can't relate to a lot of the mental baggage and awkward social skills etc these guys have been living with for most of their lives and how much work they have to do just to become NORMAL let alone go into a club and have girls approach them:

Here's the first episode:

We can get these guys to eventually develop solid social skills, and if they stick with it even get them LAID. That's a fucking miracle, these are guys that should've been weeded out of evolution lol And these aren't just like, a handful of extreme cases they picked for the show, these guys are EVERYWHERE.

Next time you're at a kiddie nightclub, talk to some of the young guys there and try to get them to approach girls. And those are the ones with enough balls to leave their apartment and enter a chaotic nightclub situation which is nowhere near the majority of guys.

This is also why Naturals generally don't make good teachers btw. Being able to do something and being able to teach something aren't the same thing, often a Natural just gets frustrated with beta guys because they won't just "man up" and the Natural doesn't even really understand what he's doing himself (like your "I dunno what I'm doing I just attract Sofia chicks cuz I'm a boss" attitude lol), so it's hard for them to teach. Whereas as someone who's learned this stuff consciously, if I watched you infield for a bit I could tell you literally everything you're doing that you don't realize you're doing that causes girls to come up to you and be attracted.

We younger guys aren't jaded and cynical. We just live in a different world than you did, and our women have been programmed with different social conditioning than yours were, and we've all been bombarded with 100000000x more social conditioning (thanks to media/internet/etc VS like, listening to the radio between doing chores and playing outside or whatever you guys did as kids lol). Our reaction is what's necessary to survive and prosper in this new world. We're simply adapting and evolving, even if it looks like madness to the older guys lol


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“Most guys, particularly those my age would never recognize what a little sex freak and partier she is”

The “Cute Mode Slut Mode” reddit forum is always worth taking a glance at before a night out:

Hardcore NSFW, remove the space in gfycat and reddit:

http://gfy cat.com/UnconsciousAstonishingIndianglassfish
http://gfy cat.com/IllLastingGentoopenguin
http://gfy cat.com/PertinentThriftyGalah
http://gfy cat.com/FrayedSmugAmericancrayfish
http://gfy cat.com/BreakableResponsibleEnglishsetter
http://gfy cat.com/SpectacularHonoredApe
http://gfy cat.com/ZanyEminentHammerheadshark

http://www.red dit.com/r/cutemodeslutmode/

You could cover the right side of these images and show just the left side and most guys would be like “oh that girl looks like an innocent flower, she is definitely girlfriend material I would date her! That’s the girl who was my waitress! I’d love to take her on a romantic date, I wouldn’t mind waiting a few dates to kiss her, she’s not like those bar sluts” Then uncover the right side and watch their face as their reality implodes lol

“not as a SugarDaddy or provider – but rather the guy who might take her sailing in the Carribean for a weak or take her to her first nice restaurant.”

…wut? lol Kidding, I know what you’re saying. But also next time try it without that stuff. Tell her you have no money, you gamble it away and drink yourself into a stupor every night and she’ll have to make breakfast for the two of you because you’ll be too hungover, etc.

“He eventually invites her to sit down with us, which she does, lol”

Good, this is what I was going to tell you to do lol Also find out when her shift ends, a lot of the time you can meet up after her shift and fuck her while she’s still in that good state.

“and then escalate into sexual talk (or I do)”

This is key. Girls are WAY more receptive to talking about sex than guys realize.

“I try, “Hey, Wing and I are going out after this, what bar are you going to be handing out to – and don’t be freaked out by the way. I want to tell you a little secret, my friend and I are out trying to meet girls tonight. We are both newish around here and when we go into a place and know a cute girl like you, it’s just so much easier. We don’t want to be treated like the “creepy older guys” ya know?””

“While I’m a tinge disappointed that she didn’t throw her number my way, when I reviewed the night on my drive home I realized how I disqualified myself.”

Right lol Definitely wouldn’t have used what you used there, a lot of it was incongruent with the badass sexual older man you were portraying before, which is probably why she gave your friend the number. Like the incongruence of “I’m a badass who sails the world banging hot girls, but I need your help as I “try” to meet girls (because I don’t just have an abundance of them in my life already) and worrying about how people will view you (worrying about judgement, while an alpha boss wouldn’t even comprehend that people might view him as a creepy older guy, it sounds like you need her to help “sneak you into the cool kids’ club” etc)…THAT would do more damage than you having a daughter and SAYING you’re not hitting on her, that’s just fluff she would overlook. The incongruent close pickles her spidey-sense that something is “off” more than anything. Your buddy was probably being pretty congruent because he wasn’t gaming on as conscious a level as you.

Your close is also heavily based in “you have the value and we need you”, VS “we have the value and we’ve decided to LET you be lucky enough to be around us”…that frame should be pretty obvious when you re-read it in retrospect. It’s like you’re offering boat trips around the world and fancy restaraunt adventures and somehow SHE still has the value? Doesn’t make sense to her. Also you’re asking her what venues she’s going to, so it’s like you’re joining her party instead of her joining yours, which implies through subcomms that your party isn’t fun/interesting/exciting compared to hers…and she’s JUST told you how boring her life is, but you’re looking to HER to provide excitement instead of whisking her away on an adventure.

A better close might have been something like “What time are you off? My friend is heading home after this, but I’m dropping into my favorite bar for a drink. Normally I can’t stand listening to young girls yap away, but you seem mature for your age. Write your number down when you bring our checks and join me when you’re done. You need a drink to numb the boredom of working here.”

It’s not perfect ’cause I’m just winging it but the idea is to let her know it’s a one-on-one thing (meeting up with two guys has weird threesome implications which she might be down for but– lol), you’re letting her know that you’re going to an exciting venue, you’re leading her on an adventure, you’re qualifying her and letting her know she’s passed your screening for a reason that isn’t looks-based, and after the “write down your number” which can be an awkward note to leave it on you spike her Buying Temperature with a little joke and now you have a much better close set up.

“Don’t panic, don’t feel like “you’ve lost” the moment you get some resistance or pullback. Analyze what’s going on and keep being the abundant, fun, engaging fantasy generator and have a blast.”

Yup, just trust the game and follow the process. No emotional attachment. It’s like balancing something, you just focus on stabilizing it as it wobbles, you don’t read into it or let it’s wobbliness change what you know is right action (balancing it out so it stabilizes). If it goes too far and falls, okay, you didn’t execute the right moves or you had the deck stacked against you from the start and it was too tough to recover from, but that’s not a judgement on you as a person.

“Older man game is very interesting, one has to demonstrate leadership and experience and worldliness in a way that is relateable to young women.”

This is the ideal. The 4-star restaraunts and sailing around the world actually IS good for older guys to do, like that’s still good game, but to fully break any limiting beliefs try getting her to fuck you literally just for the dick you offer lol

“My instructions on how to follow up with a text last night late were reacted to exactly as I predicted and they are going out Sunday night.”

Hope it pans out. Tell him to make sure he escalates, she doesn’t want to just “hang out”, she wants to get fucked. If he doesn’t escalate and fuck her, odds are he will never see her again because he missed the window and was incongruent to the “sexual badass older men” image you guys had when she met you. My guess is about 50/50 she flakes lol

“women feel abundant for me and I want all my friends to have pussy too!!!”

lol now you know why I write all this shit. All I want is for dudes to get to experience that feeling. Props on going out. There are thousands of women out tonight looking to meet a cool older man, ride the momentum of how good you feel.


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on December 12th, 2015 at 10:31 am
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“Most guys, particularly those my age would never recognize what a little sex freak and partier she is”

The “Cute Mode Slut Mode” reddit forum is always worth taking a glance at before a night out:

Hardcore NSFW, remove the space in gfycat and reddit:

http://gfy cat.com/UnconsciousAstonishingIndianglassfish
http://gfy cat.com/IllLastingGentoopenguin
http://gfy cat.com/PertinentThriftyGalah
http://gfy cat.com/FrayedSmugAmericancrayfish
http://gfy cat.com/BreakableResponsibleEnglishsetter
http://gfy cat.com/SpectacularHonoredApe
http://gfy cat.com/ZanyEminentHammerheadshark

http://www.red dit.com/r/cutemodeslutmode/

You could cover the right side of these images and show just the left side and most guys would be like “oh that girl looks like an innocent flower, she is definitely girlfriend material I would date her! That’s the girl who was my waitress! I’d love to take her on a romantic date, I wouldn’t mind waiting a few dates to kiss her, she’s not like those bar sluts” Then uncover the right side and watch their face as their reality implodes lol

“not as a SugarDaddy or provider – but rather the guy who might take her sailing in the Carribean for a weak or take her to her first nice restaurant.”

…wut? lol Kidding, I know what you’re saying. But also next time try it without that stuff. Tell her you have no money, you gamble it away and drink yourself into a stupor every night and she’ll have to make breakfast for the two of you because you’ll be too hungover, etc.

“He eventually invites her to sit down with us, which she does, lol”

Good, this is what I was going to tell you to do lol Also find out when her shift ends, a lot of the time you can meet up after her shift and fuck her while she’s still in that good state.

“and then escalate into sexual talk (or I do)”

This is key. Girls are WAY more receptive to talking about sex than guys realize.

“I try, “Hey, Wing and I are going out after this, what bar are you going to be handing out to – and don’t be freaked out by the way. I want to tell you a little secret, my friend and I are out trying to meet girls tonight. We are both newish around here and when we go into a place and know a cute girl like you, it’s just so much easier. We don’t want to be treated like the “creepy older guys” ya know?””

“While I’m a tinge disappointed that she didn’t throw her number my way, when I reviewed the night on my drive home I realized how I disqualified myself.”

Right lol Definitely wouldn’t have used what you used there, a lot of it was incongruent with the badass sexual older man you were portraying before, which is probably why she gave your friend the number. Like the incongruence of “I’m a badass who sails the world banging hot girls, but I need your help as I “try” to meet girls (because I don’t just have an abundance of them in my life already) and worrying about how people will view you (worrying about judgement, while an alpha boss wouldn’t even comprehend that people might view him as a creepy older guy, it sounds like you need her to help “sneak you into the cool kids’ club” etc)…THAT would do more damage than you having a daughter and SAYING you’re not hitting on her, that’s just fluff she would overlook. The incongruent close pickles her spidey-sense that something is “off” more than anything. Your buddy was probably being pretty congruent because he wasn’t gaming on as conscious a level as you.

Your close is also heavily based in “you have the value and we need you”, VS “we have the value and we’ve decided to LET you be lucky enough to be around us”…that frame should be pretty obvious when you re-read it in retrospect. It’s like you’re offering boat trips around the world and fancy restaraunt adventures and somehow SHE still has the value? Doesn’t make sense to her. Also you’re asking her what venues she’s going to, so it’s like you’re joining her party instead of her joining yours, which implies through subcomms that your party isn’t fun/interesting/exciting compared to hers…and she’s JUST told you how boring her life is, but you’re looking to HER to provide excitement instead of whisking her away on an adventure.

A better close might have been something like “What time are you off? My friend is heading home after this, but I’m dropping into my favorite bar for a drink. Normally I can’t stand listening to young girls yap away, but you seem mature for your age. Write your number down when you bring our checks and join me when you’re done. You need a drink to numb the boredom of working here.”

It’s not perfect ’cause I’m just winging it but the idea is to let her know it’s a one-on-one thing (meeting up with two guys has weird threesome implications which she might be down for but– lol), you’re letting her know that you’re going to an exciting venue, you’re leading her on an adventure, you’re qualifying her and letting her know she’s passed your screening for a reason that isn’t looks-based, and after the “write down your number” which can be an awkward note to leave it on you spike her Buying Temperature with a little joke and now you have a much better close set up.

“Don’t panic, don’t feel like “you’ve lost” the moment you get some resistance or pullback. Analyze what’s going on and keep being the abundant, fun, engaging fantasy generator and have a blast.”

Yup, just trust the game and follow the process. No emotional attachment. It’s like balancing something, you just focus on stabilizing it as it wobbles, you don’t read into it or let it’s wobbliness change what you know is right action (balancing it out so it stabilizes). If it goes too far and falls, okay, you didn’t execute the right moves or you had the deck stacked against you from the start and it was too tough to recover from, but that’s not a judgement on you as a person.

“Older man game is very interesting, one has to demonstrate leadership and experience and worldliness in a way that is relateable to young women.”

This is the ideal. The 4-star restaraunts and sailing around the world actually IS good for older guys to do, like that’s still good game, but to fully break any limiting beliefs try getting her to fuck you literally just for the dick you offer lol

“My instructions on how to follow up with a text last night late were reacted to exactly as I predicted and they are going out Sunday night.”

Hope it pans out. Tell him to make sure he escalates, she doesn’t want to just “hang out”, she wants to get fucked. If he doesn’t escalate and fuck her, odds are he will never see her again because he missed the window and was incongruent to the “sexual badass older men” image you guys had when she met you. My guess is about 50/50 she flakes lol

“women feel abundant for me and I want all my friends to have pussy too!!!”

lol now you know why I write all this shit. All I want is for dudes to get to experience that feeling. Props on going out. There are thousands of women out tonight looking to meet a cool older man, ride the momentum of how good you feel.


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on December 12th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
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“The other weird thing was that I was gaming her for my friend”

Why? Was she ugly? Did you not want to fuck her? Would you not like it if she was sucking your dick and you were railing her instead of writing up your Field Report?

Ready for a mind-fuck?

Your ego came back in through the back door. You gamed her “for your friend” as a way of protecting your ego and putting up a buffer. By gaming her “for your friend”, you were free to do and say whatever came to mind with no outcome dependence because if you get blown out, hey, you weren’t even TRYING to get her, so you avoid an ego hit. And, ironically, because you don’t care about the outcome, she’s actually more receptive and attracted.

The problem is there’s a solid 50/50 chance she won’t fuck your friend and then you’re going to think “…why didn’t *I* just go for it if he was gonna fuck it up????” lol

Ego is a sneaky bastard.

“in that from the outset I was trying to help my buddy, but then again, no I wasn’t, as I wanted to fuck her for sure.”

The truth comes out. :) Your conscious brain is like “no man, I’m just helping my buddy, I’m showing off how cool and social I am and throwing the love around” but your subconscious brain knows “…no I wanted to put my dick in her but was trying to avoid rejection/failure and an ego hit.”

It’s cool, again we all go through this. I actually went through this for a few months where I was rolling with a bunch of super AFC chodes, I would throw them girls that I HAPPILY would’ve taken and WANTED, but the second she’d talk to them and they’d have any kind of remote chance I’d be like “you know what, I can get pussy anytime, I’ll let my buddy have her” and help wingman him. He would of course fuck it up and go for like a number close when she wanted to fuck that night, and ignore my advice to push it and fuck her, and next week I’d go “so how’d it go with her?” and she of course went cold on them and I’d think “goddammit, that was a done deal!! And she was HOT, I should’ve just been selfish and gone for her myself.” But I’m a nice dude espeically to my buddies and I have a soft spot for AFCs trying to get laid because I was there once, so I just kept falling into “helping my buddies” and convincing myself I’m a pimp “oh I can get laid ANY time” until a few months later I was like “…you know, I haven’t actually fucking pulled in months, wtf am I doing??!” lol

Now I’m a bit more selfish. I’ve reframed it as I’ll demo how to do it and inspire them so that they decide to step up and take learning game seriously one day. If I hand them the girl they’ll just drop the ball then I go home with blue balls, they go home with blue balls, and the girl goes home with blue vag…that’s a lose/lose/lose situation. If I just take her and do my thing, that’s win/win for the girl and I and hopefully my buddy eventually goes “ok I want to do THAT too”. It’s like a free infield demonstration for him to be inspired by.

I won’t TAKE a girl from him if she’s really into him and I haven’t talked to her yet or anything, but if she’s clearly attracted to either one of us or into me and then my buddy starts yapping and holds her attention for a bit, I’ll just take her now because he’s gonna dead-end her.

“The best part? I just kept plowing ahead, no matter what.”

Easy to do when you’re hiding behind a buffer. ;) Like the 4yo winning the pillowfight because his 12yo brothers aren’t allowed to actually hit him. “I’m the best!!” lol

“She was really surprised how I just “got” all that and said so several times.”

Sounds like she was super into you. You probably should’ve fucked her. She probably would’ve loved it. lol

Bugging you to drive the point home. Your game was solid in general, like that was all good shit, so be proud of that, esp running it on a young chick. But also recognize that unless you had another hot 20yo sucking your dick that night and woke up to a different 20yo coming over to bang you, gaming “for your friend” was actually ego-protection lol

“I do think I need to frame that for a younger girl just as you would a same night lay, am I right?”

Ya, but understand that your value as an old man is your internals not your externals. Half those orbiters on her phone have boats and will take her to 5-star restaraunts. The difference between dinner and boat sailing with them and you is that you’re a solid oak tree who “gets it” and they’re squirrels who barely know themselves let alone her.

“I was not trying to fuck her, I wanted to use her as a bridge to another venue,”

You could fuck her and use her as a bridge next week. You could game her to the point where she’s dying to fuck you and then still invite her to the other venue so that when you get to that venue you have a girl who’s MADLY attracted to you introducing you to her hot friends and DHV’ing you. You could have taken her number for yourself and time-bridged a Day2 with just the two of you and THEN invited her out to use her as a DHV. Your ego is just making up excuses to not push it lol

“but being a month short of 21 she can’t go to the bars up here, so that fell flat. I scrambled to the number close.”

If you had been gunning to actually fuck her, you could’ve offered up coffee or anything instead. But your ego was set on “let’s avoid rejection and try to invite her out with a super-not-putting-myself-on-the-line invite that’s super soft-balled with a bunch of indirect DLV stuff even though I have huge attraction and she loves me and has been sitting with us and flirting and telling me how she wants and old man to take her on an adventure and fuck her brains out”, so when she can’t go to the bars it goes “UHHHH SHIT WAT DO I DO??” If you had been focused on fucking her your brain probably would’ve offered up “whatever, who cares, coffee then” because it’s goal would be to fuck her not to get her to a specific venue for non-fucking.

“Again, what was so cool about it is that i was having fun, flowing, not getting stopped when i didn’t get the reaction i wanted, i was calibrating and it wasn’t “hard””

Easy to do when you’re hiding behind the buffer where you don’t fear rejection because you aren’t putting your ego on the line. ;) Feels good, right? Now just do the exact same thing but gaming for YOURSELF and you’ll have more poon than you can imagine. …but once you game for yourself, you’ll stifle up because then it’ll be like “wait what if she doesn’t like what I’m about to say??” The catch-22 of pickup. :)

But good on you. You did great, I’m just pointing out the ego thing because you’re learning how that all works right now. Your ego is smart as FUCK and will out-wit you constantly lol


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“The other weird thing was that I was gaming her for my friend”

Why? Was she ugly? Did you not want to fuck her? Would you not like it if she was sucking your dick and you were railing her instead of writing up your Field Report?

Ready for a mind-fuck?

Your ego came back in through the back door. You gamed her “for your friend” as a way of protecting your ego and putting up a buffer. By gaming her “for your friend”, you were free to do and say whatever came to mind with no outcome dependence because if you get blown out, hey, you weren’t even TRYING to get her, so you avoid an ego hit. And, ironically, because you don’t care about the outcome, she’s actually more receptive and attracted.

The problem is there’s a solid 50/50 chance she won’t fuck your friend and then you’re going to think “…why didn’t *I* just go for it if he was gonna fuck it up????” lol

Ego is a sneaky bastard.

“in that from the outset I was trying to help my buddy, but then again, no I wasn’t, as I wanted to fuck her for sure.”

The truth comes out. πŸ™‚ Your conscious brain is like “no man, I’m just helping my buddy, I’m showing off how cool and social I am and throwing the love around” but your subconscious brain knows “…no I wanted to put my dick in her but was trying to avoid rejection/failure and an ego hit.”

It’s cool, again we all go through this. I actually went through this for a few months where I was rolling with a bunch of super AFC chodes, I would throw them girls that I HAPPILY would’ve taken and WANTED, but the second she’d talk to them and they’d have any kind of remote chance I’d be like “you know what, I can get pussy anytime, I’ll let my buddy have her” and help wingman him. He would of course fuck it up and go for like a number close when she wanted to fuck that night, and ignore my advice to push it and fuck her, and next week I’d go “so how’d it go with her?” and she of course went cold on them and I’d think “goddammit, that was a done deal!! And she was HOT, I should’ve just been selfish and gone for her myself.” But I’m a nice dude espeically to my buddies and I have a soft spot for AFCs trying to get laid because I was there once, so I just kept falling into “helping my buddies” and convincing myself I’m a pimp “oh I can get laid ANY time” until a few months later I was like “…you know, I haven’t actually fucking pulled in months, wtf am I doing??!” lol

Now I’m a bit more selfish. I’ve reframed it as I’ll demo how to do it and inspire them so that they decide to step up and take learning game seriously one day. If I hand them the girl they’ll just drop the ball then I go home with blue balls, they go home with blue balls, and the girl goes home with blue vag…that’s a lose/lose/lose situation. If I just take her and do my thing, that’s win/win for the girl and I and hopefully my buddy eventually goes “ok I want to do THAT too”. It’s like a free infield demonstration for him to be inspired by.

I won’t TAKE a girl from him if she’s really into him and I haven’t talked to her yet or anything, but if she’s clearly attracted to either one of us or into me and then my buddy starts yapping and holds her attention for a bit, I’ll just take her now because he’s gonna dead-end her.

“The best part? I just kept plowing ahead, no matter what.”

Easy to do when you’re hiding behind a buffer. πŸ˜‰ Like the 4yo winning the pillowfight because his 12yo brothers aren’t allowed to actually hit him. “I’m the best!!” lol

“She was really surprised how I just “got” all that and said so several times.”

Sounds like she was super into you. You probably should’ve fucked her. She probably would’ve loved it. lol

Bugging you to drive the point home. Your game was solid in general, like that was all good shit, so be proud of that, esp running it on a young chick. But also recognize that unless you had another hot 20yo sucking your dick that night and woke up to a different 20yo coming over to bang you, gaming “for your friend” was actually ego-protection lol

“I do think I need to frame that for a younger girl just as you would a same night lay, am I right?”

Ya, but understand that your value as an old man is your internals not your externals. Half those orbiters on her phone have boats and will take her to 5-star restaraunts. The difference between dinner and boat sailing with them and you is that you’re a solid oak tree who “gets it” and they’re squirrels who barely know themselves let alone her.

“I was not trying to fuck her, I wanted to use her as a bridge to another venue,”

You could fuck her and use her as a bridge next week. You could game her to the point where she’s dying to fuck you and then still invite her to the other venue so that when you get to that venue you have a girl who’s MADLY attracted to you introducing you to her hot friends and DHV’ing you. You could have taken her number for yourself and time-bridged a Day2 with just the two of you and THEN invited her out to use her as a DHV. Your ego is just making up excuses to not push it lol

“but being a month short of 21 she can’t go to the bars up here, so that fell flat. I scrambled to the number close.”

If you had been gunning to actually fuck her, you could’ve offered up coffee or anything instead. But your ego was set on “let’s avoid rejection and try to invite her out with a super-not-putting-myself-on-the-line invite that’s super soft-balled with a bunch of indirect DLV stuff even though I have huge attraction and she loves me and has been sitting with us and flirting and telling me how she wants and old man to take her on an adventure and fuck her brains out”, so when she can’t go to the bars it goes “UHHHH SHIT WAT DO I DO??” If you had been focused on fucking her your brain probably would’ve offered up “whatever, who cares, coffee then” because it’s goal would be to fuck her not to get her to a specific venue for non-fucking.

“Again, what was so cool about it is that i was having fun, flowing, not getting stopped when i didn’t get the reaction i wanted, i was calibrating and it wasn’t “hard””

Easy to do when you’re hiding behind the buffer where you don’t fear rejection because you aren’t putting your ego on the line. πŸ˜‰ Feels good, right? Now just do the exact same thing but gaming for YOURSELF and you’ll have more poon than you can imagine. …but once you game for yourself, you’ll stifle up because then it’ll be like “wait what if she doesn’t like what I’m about to say??” The catch-22 of pickup. πŸ™‚

But good on you. You did great, I’m just pointing out the ego thing because you’re learning how that all works right now. Your ego is smart as FUCK and will out-wit you constantly lol


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We know what Naturals mean when they say “pussy is just pussy”. But AFCs don’t and it doesn’t help them learn and deconstructing it can mean different things to different Naturals based on their personal life experiences that don’t necessarily have relevance or resonate with other guys who haven’t had those experiences. Often a Natural will be like “bro you gotta wear hair gel” just because he’s worn hair gel and had a lot of success and anchors it to that. But the newbie puts gel in his hair and it doesn’t do shit.

Plus as CaveClown says a ton of Naturals are Blue Pill. I know Naturals who settle down with (and marry or plan to marry) just the worst choice in chicks lol because they’re still attached to the loving wife and 2.5 kids dream. Or will say stuff like “just compliment them man” etc. Which means “make a Statement of Intent from a place of abundance with no attachment to the outcome”, but they can’t explain it that way and newbies can’t decipher that.

A lot of Naturals are picking up almost 100% on their subcomms and not their actual externals/verbals.

@newlyaloof
“My ego told me I had a right to blow up, but now I understand my ego is a bit too butthurt. ”

Yup. It’s like when guys get into a fight on the street over “being disrespected, bro”. It’s just ego protection flaring up.

“I’ll have to stop expecting more than she can consciously give me so that I don’t get to the point of blowing up”

Tony Robbins says when you aren’t happy change your circumstances or change your expectations. You can’t replace her with a different wife, but you can make your expectations of her. I’d get frustrated at my dog if I expected him to be able to do my taxes and he just kept shitting on the paper lol

That said I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the stuff CaveClown is talking about, establishing and enforcing boundaries that will benefit your marriage together and make things a win/win. The problem is when you’ve had years and years of her NOT doing that and letting her get away with it and not having boundaries, when you start to enforce them suddenly you’re gonna get pushback. Down the road after enough pushback and enough holding your frame she’ll either cave or bail. Rewarding her when she’s good helps make her more likely to cave than bail.

“but I respectfully need to type this because the video moved me so much and gave me a blueprint for understanding this dynamic and avoiding it myself.”

That’s why I don’t just shut up on the subject. Men need to see these things and go into having kids with awareness of how to spot this stuff and help prevent it.

“THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AMMO FOR ALL MEN TO AVOID THE POTENTIAL OF BEING ALIENATED:”

Sounds like a solid tactic. If she talks smack then the kid will understand, at least on a conscious level, that she’s “breaking the deal” which should help paint the mother’s actions in the wrong and actually getting your wife to agree to it in front of her helps her be less inclined to talk smack…infield we’ll tell girls “You girls look friendly” because if we label them as “friendly” then they instinctively try to live up to that label and will actually act friendlier because they want to live up to their label. Similar dynamic, by having her make a promise to not talk smack, for her to talk smack she has to actively break her word to her kids which is tougher to justify than if you didn’t say anything like this.

It’s not going to foolproof anything, but it’s those kinds of red pill tactics and understanding of female psychology that can help.


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We know what Naturals mean when they say “pussy is just pussy”. But AFCs don’t and it doesn’t help them learn and deconstructing it can mean different things to different Naturals based on their personal life experiences that don’t necessarily have relevance or resonate with other guys who haven’t had those experiences. Often a Natural will be like “bro you gotta wear hair gel” just because he’s worn hair gel and had a lot of success and anchors it to that. But the newbie puts gel in his hair and it doesn’t do shit.

Plus as CaveClown says a ton of Naturals are Blue Pill. I know Naturals who settle down with (and marry or plan to marry) just the worst choice in chicks lol because they’re still attached to the loving wife and 2.5 kids dream. Or will say stuff like “just compliment them man” etc. Which means “make a Statement of Intent from a place of abundance with no attachment to the outcome”, but they can’t explain it that way and newbies can’t decipher that.

A lot of Naturals are picking up almost 100% on their subcomms and not their actual externals/verbals.

@newlyaloof
“My ego told me I had a right to blow up, but now I understand my ego is a bit too butthurt. ”

Yup. It’s like when guys get into a fight on the street over “being disrespected, bro”. It’s just ego protection flaring up.

“I’ll have to stop expecting more than she can consciously give me so that I don’t get to the point of blowing up”

Tony Robbins says when you aren’t happy change your circumstances or change your expectations. You can’t replace her with a different wife, but you can make your expectations of her. I’d get frustrated at my dog if I expected him to be able to do my taxes and he just kept shitting on the paper lol

That said I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the stuff CaveClown is talking about, establishing and enforcing boundaries that will benefit your marriage together and make things a win/win. The problem is when you’ve had years and years of her NOT doing that and letting her get away with it and not having boundaries, when you start to enforce them suddenly you’re gonna get pushback. Down the road after enough pushback and enough holding your frame she’ll either cave or bail. Rewarding her when she’s good helps make her more likely to cave than bail.

“but I respectfully need to type this because the video moved me so much and gave me a blueprint for understanding this dynamic and avoiding it myself.”

That’s why I don’t just shut up on the subject. Men need to see these things and go into having kids with awareness of how to spot this stuff and help prevent it.

“THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AMMO FOR ALL MEN TO AVOID THE POTENTIAL OF BEING ALIENATED:”

Sounds like a solid tactic. If she talks smack then the kid will understand, at least on a conscious level, that she’s “breaking the deal” which should help paint the mother’s actions in the wrong and actually getting your wife to agree to it in front of her helps her be less inclined to talk smack…infield we’ll tell girls “You girls look friendly” because if we label them as “friendly” then they instinctively try to live up to that label and will actually act friendlier because they want to live up to their label. Similar dynamic, by having her make a promise to not talk smack, for her to talk smack she has to actively break her word to her kids which is tougher to justify than if you didn’t say anything like this.

It’s not going to foolproof anything, but it’s those kinds of red pill tactics and understanding of female psychology that can help.


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“What do you think about my “no sex, no debit card no respect no debit card? Is it butthurt?”

No fucking clue lol I’ve never heard that one before but I lol’ed when you first said it. I can’t say where exactly it falls because you have 13 years history or whatever, so it’s like, I don’t really know your history enough to know if this is alright, especially if you’ve done it and she’s accepted it before. Just calibrate it…always punish from a place of calmness not anger. A punishment isn’t “to get back at her”, it’s “for her own good”. When your daughter wants to eat cookies for dinner you don’t say “NO FUCKING WAY I TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE HOLY SHIT QUIT DISRESPECTING ME YOU KNOW YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE COOKIES” and spank her in that anger mode. You just have adamant boundaries that don’t budge and you calmly handle the situation.

I’m a big fan of the free PDF at http://manhood101.com/principles_101.pdf Skip the first chapters on feminism unless you just like reading, but pay attention to the stuff on chaos/order and punishment/reward etc. I like its perspective on man/woman dynamics and how women need you to bring order to their natural chaos, even if it requires punishment and there’s lots of stuff on how to properly punish/reward. Lot of great information in there, highly recommend giving it a read.

@SJF
Were you the old guy who kept rambling on about that zen & the art of motorcycles book?? When I was listening I was like “wtf is this guy doing, someone cut him off holy shit we get it it’s a good book” lol

Props to you for getting cleaned up and good on the other guys for giving you some real-talk about it and encouraging you getting your shit together. A buddy and I are both cutting way back on our drinking and having the support of close buddies helps.

“Good friends should not tolerate mediocrity in one another.”

This.

Part of why right now I’m laying low and purposely not building big social circles is that now that I’m older 1) I don’t have the same energy to maintain big circles and go party it up the way most people like to party and 2) a LOT of guys are just mediocre and are out there drinking and partying to numb themselves to the pain of their underachieving lives…they’re not happy and they’re not working toward improving their lives, they’re just stalling till they die and I don’t want to be around that. The few buddies I keep right now are good buddies who are all on the same path of self-improvement as me…not necessarily pickup, but in general, career, health, finances, girls, etc they’re all trying to better themselves. Even if they aren’t succeeding quickly at it or hit speedbumps, I can respect them a lot more than most guys, and we help build eachother up and hold eachother to a high standard. Like right now I’m still chubby, but it’s not anything crazy and I get enough validation infield that I don’t care about it…but I know that if I gain another 10lbs or so, one of my buddies will step in and say “dude, it’s time to hit the gym, come with me let’s go together if that helps” and cut through a lot of my bullshit excuses. The same way if they go through too long a period without coming out and socializing or having girls in their lives, I’ll be the one banging on their door to drag them out and try to throw girls at them lol

We aren’t even fucking special lol it sounds like “oh wow YaReally is hanging with some AAA crowd” but I’m not, my buddies are just normal dudes you wouldn’t look twice at, but they have good internal mindsets and we’re all just quietly working on our goals in the background while everyone else zones out in front of Netflix and sighs thinking about their dream life they gave up while they’re laying in bed frustrated that their fat wife won’t put out lol

“Softek didn’t off himself and lived happily ever after”

Now that’s a fairy tale ending lol That’s why spaces like this are important.

@theasdgamer
“but could the AFCs even accept the lessons? I’d love to teach some guys, but they let shit like “Oh, my travel time is 45 min., that’s too long” inhibit them. Or they don’t want to learn to dance. “I’m a klutz” is such a buffer, lol.”

That’s why you shouldn’t teach. No offense ’cause I know you’re kind of spergy so this might just be a part of that but you don’t seem to have the ability to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. You have your method you do and you want other guys to do that same method. Guys don’t need to dance, but you would be trying to force them to or consider them “not accepting/understanding my lessons” when they resist dancing. The goal of pickup is for each guy to be expressing himself, not trying to be what someone else is. The “I’m a klutz is such a buffer lol” thing is litearlly the hair gel example I was talking about lol

If you watch my advice to guys, I custom tailor it to all of them. The core concepts remain the same, but the way Scribblerg games is going to look very different from the way Scray games, which will look very different from the way Tyler games, which will all look different from the way I game. That’s why I don’t post Field Reports in public, because people will focus too much on WHAT I’m saying and it will get them bad reactions because it’s not congruent to them. The core concepts underneath are what’s important and those core concepts can be displayed in various forms as long as they achieve the goal.

@Blaximus
“but as I’ve gotten older I have had to fight a constant battle with hair growing out of my ears and nose.”

Fighting that fucking battle in my mid-30s lol I didn’t think ear hair happened till you’re like 80. I’m actually covered in hair, full furball top to bottom front to back. When I bought into social conditioning it worried me and I tried to manage it, but it turns out girls don’t care and a lot of them like it (helps things feel more “animalistic” in bed, all their Beauty & The Beast childhood fantasies come to life lol).

“Ya has a gift for making me chew on stuff. He’s making me curious to understand and reflect on what ” I dunno “.”

lol thing is you don’t NEED to. Your life won’t really be enhanced by understanding what you do, and in fact it may even go downhill and make you more self-conscious and second-guess yourself and make you add elements that fuck shit up and aren’t incongruent or change things that didn’t need to be changed. That’s why when I meet a Natural I don’t even tell them what they’re doing, I try not to even talk about game on a technical level with them, I just roll with their “just be awesome, bro” mentalities because I don’t want to risk pulling out a Jenga piece to analyze with them and ruining their beautiful skillset that’s working for them.

“What I was thinking when she approached was ” Ohhh, I could bang this chick all night long “”

Most guys think “holy shit she’s hot uhhhh what do I say to keep this going???” and freeze up. And sadly most hardcase newbies think “uhhh, she must be talking to someone else, does she mean me? Is she making fun of me? A girl this hot wouldn’t be into me, she must be making fun of me or something” and bail.

“but knowing myself I must have looked her up and down, from her toes to the top of her head”

Ya all these little things are the stuff I would point out if I saw you infield that you often do without realizing you’re doing it because you have “conscious competence” with your particular style of game and your mindsets from living your particular life.

At the same time you’ll have flaws and blindspots that you don’t see that I would notice and would be able to exploit if I needed to. The same thing that makes you do things without thinking is the same thing that gives you blindspots. But again it’s a thing where you get enough success and are far enough along in life that there’s no reason to worry about blindspots and actively being aware of them or trying to fix them may ruin your mojo.

“I was trying to talk to my friend, so I was kinda giving her the brush-back, but during that brush-back there was some quick, intense eye contact, and she kept moving in closer and….wtf… I don’t remember if I put my hand(s) on her at that point, but she leaned into me and I’d bet my life savings that if you took a CT scan of my brain at that moment, it was lit up like a Christmas tree. I could feel her boobs, her thighs and her flat belly pressed against me. It was only like 10 seconds, but my body turned into a data gathering supercomputer.”

Like this is awesome. But picture being a newbie who doesn’t understand pickup, what can he take from this? “So I guess I need a friend, and I’ll talk to him…and then somehow we make intense eye contact and she’ll move closer and then, I don’t know, like my hand maybe touches her somewhere I guess and she’ll just grind on me and my brain should light up?? And then somehow we have sex??”

There’s nothing in there that a newbie can really use to learn game aside from some extremely vague esoteric mindsets. Contrast that to something like “when you show sexual intent by looking her down and up, but then turn your back on her, the backturn devalidates her so that she instinctively seeks your validation again. When you turn back to her, look her in the eyes, focus on one of them and try to make your gaze lazy and sexual like you’re laying in bed on a lazy day after having sex, then grab her waist and try to pull her in and calibrate based on her level of compliance, if she comes in then escalate, if she resists then back off and tease her for ruining the moment”. Where a newbie can be like “ohhh, I get it, I can see myself doing that” and take that into the field.

It’s not that there isn’t anything we can learn from Naturals, it’s just that a guy who already understands a lot of game will understand what he’s trying to teach better than a newbie will.
I was trying to talk to my friend, so I was kinda giving her the brush-back, but during that brush-back there was some quick, intense eye contact, and she kept moving in closer and….wtf… I don’t remember if I put my hand(s) on her at that point, but she leaned into me and I’d bet my life savings that if you took a CT scan of my brain at that moment, it was lit up like a Christmas tree. I could feel her boobs, her thighs and her flat belly pressed against me. It was only like 10 seconds, but my body turned into a data gathering supercomputer.

Enjoy your Saturday night everyone. Go for a burger at the pub up the street, there’s probably a handful of hotties and a cute waitress there on a night like this.


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“What do you think about my “no sex, no debit card no respect no debit card? Is it butthurt?”

No fucking clue lol I’ve never heard that one before but I lol’ed when you first said it. I can’t say where exactly it falls because you have 13 years history or whatever, so it’s like, I don’t really know your history enough to know if this is alright, especially if you’ve done it and she’s accepted it before. Just calibrate it…always punish from a place of calmness not anger. A punishment isn’t “to get back at her”, it’s “for her own good”. When your daughter wants to eat cookies for dinner you don’t say “NO FUCKING WAY I TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE HOLY SHIT QUIT DISRESPECTING ME YOU KNOW YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE COOKIES” and spank her in that anger mode. You just have adamant boundaries that don’t budge and you calmly handle the situation.

I’m a big fan of the free PDF at http://manhood101.com/principles_101.pdf Skip the first chapters on feminism unless you just like reading, but pay attention to the stuff on chaos/order and punishment/reward etc. I like its perspective on man/woman dynamics and how women need you to bring order to their natural chaos, even if it requires punishment and there’s lots of stuff on how to properly punish/reward. Lot of great information in there, highly recommend giving it a read.

@SJF
Were you the old guy who kept rambling on about that zen & the art of motorcycles book?? When I was listening I was like “wtf is this guy doing, someone cut him off holy shit we get it it’s a good book” lol

Props to you for getting cleaned up and good on the other guys for giving you some real-talk about it and encouraging you getting your shit together. A buddy and I are both cutting way back on our drinking and having the support of close buddies helps.

“Good friends should not tolerate mediocrity in one another.”

This.

Part of why right now I’m laying low and purposely not building big social circles is that now that I’m older 1) I don’t have the same energy to maintain big circles and go party it up the way most people like to party and 2) a LOT of guys are just mediocre and are out there drinking and partying to numb themselves to the pain of their underachieving lives…they’re not happy and they’re not working toward improving their lives, they’re just stalling till they die and I don’t want to be around that. The few buddies I keep right now are good buddies who are all on the same path of self-improvement as me…not necessarily pickup, but in general, career, health, finances, girls, etc they’re all trying to better themselves. Even if they aren’t succeeding quickly at it or hit speedbumps, I can respect them a lot more than most guys, and we help build eachother up and hold eachother to a high standard. Like right now I’m still chubby, but it’s not anything crazy and I get enough validation infield that I don’t care about it…but I know that if I gain another 10lbs or so, one of my buddies will step in and say “dude, it’s time to hit the gym, come with me let’s go together if that helps” and cut through a lot of my bullshit excuses. The same way if they go through too long a period without coming out and socializing or having girls in their lives, I’ll be the one banging on their door to drag them out and try to throw girls at them lol

We aren’t even fucking special lol it sounds like “oh wow YaReally is hanging with some AAA crowd” but I’m not, my buddies are just normal dudes you wouldn’t look twice at, but they have good internal mindsets and we’re all just quietly working on our goals in the background while everyone else zones out in front of Netflix and sighs thinking about their dream life they gave up while they’re laying in bed frustrated that their fat wife won’t put out lol

“Softek didn’t off himself and lived happily ever after”

Now that’s a fairy tale ending lol That’s why spaces like this are important.

@theasdgamer
“but could the AFCs even accept the lessons? I’d love to teach some guys, but they let shit like “Oh, my travel time is 45 min., that’s too long” inhibit them. Or they don’t want to learn to dance. “I’m a klutz” is such a buffer, lol.”

That’s why you shouldn’t teach. No offense ’cause I know you’re kind of spergy so this might just be a part of that but you don’t seem to have the ability to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. You have your method you do and you want other guys to do that same method. Guys don’t need to dance, but you would be trying to force them to or consider them “not accepting/understanding my lessons” when they resist dancing. The goal of pickup is for each guy to be expressing himself, not trying to be what someone else is. The “I’m a klutz is such a buffer lol” thing is litearlly the hair gel example I was talking about lol

If you watch my advice to guys, I custom tailor it to all of them. The core concepts remain the same, but the way Scribblerg games is going to look very different from the way Scray games, which will look very different from the way Tyler games, which will all look different from the way I game. That’s why I don’t post Field Reports in public, because people will focus too much on WHAT I’m saying and it will get them bad reactions because it’s not congruent to them. The core concepts underneath are what’s important and those core concepts can be displayed in various forms as long as they achieve the goal.

@Blaximus
“but as I’ve gotten older I have had to fight a constant battle with hair growing out of my ears and nose.”

Fighting that fucking battle in my mid-30s lol I didn’t think ear hair happened till you’re like 80. I’m actually covered in hair, full furball top to bottom front to back. When I bought into social conditioning it worried me and I tried to manage it, but it turns out girls don’t care and a lot of them like it (helps things feel more “animalistic” in bed, all their Beauty & The Beast childhood fantasies come to life lol).

“Ya has a gift for making me chew on stuff. He’s making me curious to understand and reflect on what ” I dunno “.”

lol thing is you don’t NEED to. Your life won’t really be enhanced by understanding what you do, and in fact it may even go downhill and make you more self-conscious and second-guess yourself and make you add elements that fuck shit up and aren’t incongruent or change things that didn’t need to be changed. That’s why when I meet a Natural I don’t even tell them what they’re doing, I try not to even talk about game on a technical level with them, I just roll with their “just be awesome, bro” mentalities because I don’t want to risk pulling out a Jenga piece to analyze with them and ruining their beautiful skillset that’s working for them.

“What I was thinking when she approached was ” Ohhh, I could bang this chick all night long “”

Most guys think “holy shit she’s hot uhhhh what do I say to keep this going???” and freeze up. And sadly most hardcase newbies think “uhhh, she must be talking to someone else, does she mean me? Is she making fun of me? A girl this hot wouldn’t be into me, she must be making fun of me or something” and bail.

“but knowing myself I must have looked her up and down, from her toes to the top of her head”

Ya all these little things are the stuff I would point out if I saw you infield that you often do without realizing you’re doing it because you have “conscious competence” with your particular style of game and your mindsets from living your particular life.

At the same time you’ll have flaws and blindspots that you don’t see that I would notice and would be able to exploit if I needed to. The same thing that makes you do things without thinking is the same thing that gives you blindspots. But again it’s a thing where you get enough success and are far enough along in life that there’s no reason to worry about blindspots and actively being aware of them or trying to fix them may ruin your mojo.

“I was trying to talk to my friend, so I was kinda giving her the brush-back, but during that brush-back there was some quick, intense eye contact, and she kept moving in closer and….wtf… I don’t remember if I put my hand(s) on her at that point, but she leaned into me and I’d bet my life savings that if you took a CT scan of my brain at that moment, it was lit up like a Christmas tree. I could feel her boobs, her thighs and her flat belly pressed against me. It was only like 10 seconds, but my body turned into a data gathering supercomputer.”

Like this is awesome. But picture being a newbie who doesn’t understand pickup, what can he take from this? “So I guess I need a friend, and I’ll talk to him…and then somehow we make intense eye contact and she’ll move closer and then, I don’t know, like my hand maybe touches her somewhere I guess and she’ll just grind on me and my brain should light up?? And then somehow we have sex??”

There’s nothing in there that a newbie can really use to learn game aside from some extremely vague esoteric mindsets. Contrast that to something like “when you show sexual intent by looking her down and up, but then turn your back on her, the backturn devalidates her so that she instinctively seeks your validation again. When you turn back to her, look her in the eyes, focus on one of them and try to make your gaze lazy and sexual like you’re laying in bed on a lazy day after having sex, then grab her waist and try to pull her in and calibrate based on her level of compliance, if she comes in then escalate, if she resists then back off and tease her for ruining the moment”. Where a newbie can be like “ohhh, I get it, I can see myself doing that” and take that into the field.

It’s not that there isn’t anything we can learn from Naturals, it’s just that a guy who already understands a lot of game will understand what he’s trying to teach better than a newbie will.
I was trying to talk to my friend, so I was kinda giving her the brush-back, but during that brush-back there was some quick, intense eye contact, and she kept moving in closer and….wtf… I don’t remember if I put my hand(s) on her at that point, but she leaned into me and I’d bet my life savings that if you took a CT scan of my brain at that moment, it was lit up like a Christmas tree. I could feel her boobs, her thighs and her flat belly pressed against me. It was only like 10 seconds, but my body turned into a data gathering supercomputer.

Enjoy your Saturday night everyone. Go for a burger at the pub up the street, there’s probably a handful of hotties and a cute waitress there on a night like this.


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1) at the VERY least wait for a few days or a week until your excitement high wears off and you can RATIONALLY assess whether sending her that shit is a good idea or not. You’re like a kid on Christmas wanting to show everyone what he got. Chill for a few days till you’re in a less emotional headspace.

2) change her mood, not her mind. You can’t LOGIC her into attraction. Just execute the appropriate shit and trust her feminine instincts to pick up on what’s happening…there’s a reason Dread Game is subtle instead of overt. You can’t convince her to want to fuck you.

3) the wording of that piece is great…for men. For women it sounds like “if I can’t force you to fuck me then I’m going to go out and rape girls” and is one step away from “maybe I should call the cops” material and definitely not going to help having a record of it in a divorce if shit comes to that someday

4) using other men’s words verbatim like a cut ‘n paste from this super interesting book that summarizes our situation bla bla is like saying “I can’t steer this ship, but I found an expert who can and THAT guy says I should steer the wheel like this and you should help me because I can’t handle this situation on my own, I am not a good commander of this ship and I have to seek advice because I don’t “just get it”, and somehow expect that to make you MORE attracted instead of LESS attracted”

5) if you’re going to bring up those analogies etc, bring them up in person, using words and shit that are congruent to you, and don’t do it till you’re out of this excited emotional state a week from now and don’t force the moment and figure out how to bring it up naturally and visualize what she’s going to possibly respond with (good and bad) and how you’ll handle those things congruently to the message you’re trying to send her.

Otherwise enjoy the PDF…just enjoy it in secret. YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB. ESPECIALLY to women. ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY to your target lol


Open Cuckoldry

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YaReally
on December 12th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
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@newlyaloof

1) at the VERY least wait for a few days or a week until your excitement high wears off and you can RATIONALLY assess whether sending her that shit is a good idea or not. You’re like a kid on Christmas wanting to show everyone what he got. Chill for a few days till you’re in a less emotional headspace.

2) change her mood, not her mind. You can’t LOGIC her into attraction. Just execute the appropriate shit and trust her feminine instincts to pick up on what’s happening…there’s a reason Dread Game is subtle instead of overt. You can’t convince her to want to fuck you.

3) the wording of that piece is great…for men. For women it sounds like “if I can’t force you to fuck me then I’m going to go out and rape girls” and is one step away from “maybe I should call the cops” material and definitely not going to help having a record of it in a divorce if shit comes to that someday

4) using other men’s words verbatim like a cut ‘n paste from this super interesting book that summarizes our situation bla bla is like saying “I can’t steer this ship, but I found an expert who can and THAT guy says I should steer the wheel like this and you should help me because I can’t handle this situation on my own, I am not a good commander of this ship and I have to seek advice because I don’t “just get it”, and somehow expect that to make you MORE attracted instead of LESS attracted”

5) if you’re going to bring up those analogies etc, bring them up in person, using words and shit that are congruent to you, and don’t do it till you’re out of this excited emotional state a week from now and don’t force the moment and figure out how to bring it up naturally and visualize what she’s going to possibly respond with (good and bad) and how you’ll handle those things congruently to the message you’re trying to send her.

Otherwise enjoy the PDF…just enjoy it in secret. YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB. ESPECIALLY to women. ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY to your target lol


The Tyranny of Biomechanics

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YaReally
on December 2nd, 2015 at 5:26 am
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“In other words, the latent purpose of this social order is to force men to comply with women’s sexual strategy, irrespective of their evolved sexual arousal cues.”

Crowder said it best here:

“My penis is a veritable weather-stick of beauty. You can’t trick it, it knows no societal boundaries, it doesn’t care how poor you are or the color of your skin…if you’re ATTRACTIVE, it’s going up. You can’t trick the system, it’s a lie detector test. So there’s no we had a meeting behind your back and just said “we’re gonna say Lena Dunham isn’t attractive just to screw with her”…you’re NOT ATTRACTIVE, you didn’t beat the test!”

And my usual lol to the rest of the stuff about male physical attractiveness.

Time to get gay as fuck in here, I put a space in the NSFW URLs (remove the space from “tum blr”) but left the shirtless shit there because the header of the article has a shirtless dude lol:

Why does the 50 Shades of Grey book sell a billion copies? It has NO visuals in it. Why do teenage girls everywhere fantasize about that skinny Twilight vampire kid?

James Deen, world’s #1 male pornstar (who’s about to be tanked by crazy bitches, but ignoring that lol)…stands at a whopping 5’7″ tall and isn’t QUITE jacked like a hulking fireman calendar:

How can a skinny dude with no ripped 6-pack who’s shorter than me be the world’s #1 male pornstar? How are there hundreds of thousands of women getting off to his videos and dreaming of getting fucked by him? It’s not like there isn’t competition in porn, like there aren’t thousands of jacked dudes in porn with giant dicks and shit…ya he has a pretty face but like there aren’t hundreds of other dudes in porn with better faces than him? It’s a free market, women can watch vids of any porn they want there’s no “on the spot microphone in your face “do you prefer a skinny 5’7″ guy or this hulking beast in green paint” camera on them” pressure to influence them…So why is he #1 to women? Why are they choosing this skinny little guy over those other “better looking” guys? Why does James Deen have 1300 movies and make like $20,000/mo for doing porn?

Is this what’s in those firemen calendars we’re using as a guage for what’s attractive to women?:

Which month of the year in the jacked fireman calendar is the pic on the right from?:

Because it’s not about looks or muscles or money. It’s about alpha qualities like dominance, confidence, eye-contact, sexual confidence, leading, causing emotional impact (Twilight), etc:

Dominant dirty talk, choking, etc (if you’re going to do ANYTHING related to choking, google the fuck out of how to do it safely and calibrate up to it slowly):

I always rest a hand on a girl’s throat when we first makeout (once she’s into it I slide my hand from her cheek to her throat) to see if she’s receptive to it…that one move lets her know the despite my not being a jacked fireman I’m going to fuck her in an alpha way:

Note how he could let her just come over to him or just hold her hand but instead as soon as he takes her hand he yanks her into him so she’s off balance for a split second and catches her, then goes into a pin against the wall…he’s a little 5’7″ dude he actually looks an inch shorter than her because of her heels, but he knows how to confidently dominate her, doesn’t second guess his movements just grabs her like she’s a piece of meat to him:

NSFW (check the way he shoves her around and the instinctive girly response to being manhandled):
http://45.media.tum blr.com/eb533fb96dc5a84fd3e3b7c82d560103/tumblr_mstyc7A1tl1qjstc7o2_500.gif

NSFW (more manhandling by the back of her neck this time to put her up against the wall, again I do this stuff when I first makeout with girls):
http://49.media.tum blr.com/37db6692f9b5bebd724922e5ed49f3ff/tumblr_mxgwlehIpk1qjstc7o4_400.gif

NSFW (he could just lay her back gently, and this is another chick who’s probably taller than him, but it doesn’t matter, he knows how to manhandle her body and PUT her down):
http://49.media.tum blr.com/6cbd4fac07734062329f225afcedeb90/tumblr_minmzloO6V1qjstc7o2_400.gif

NSFW (no fucks given in his body language as he manhandles her by the hair…the girl herself can’t see that he doesn’t even look up, but all the chicks watching this porno scene see that…it’s these little things, tiny subcomms that make girls watch his shit):
http://45.media.tum blr.com/6614f6783575297116d18690640c6eb2/tumblr_mnuu0w0C6w1qjstc7o1_500.gif

NSFW (again he’s not jacked but he doesn’t have to be to manhandle her, he just knows how to manipulate her body and make her feel helpless, you don’t have to be huge to do that you just have to understand body mechanics and how to put her off-balance and catch her again and shit):
http://49.media.tum blr.com/9e1d385777a895065a20c35fb9cbe020/tumblr_mj1r7daLV11qjstc7o1_500.gif

NSFW (again more dominance and manhandling):
http://45.media.tum blr.com/f0630da83f6a3558edd337c2b1da7af6/tumblr_mthj26GwZc1qjstc7o2_500.gif

NSFW (even leading from foreplay, this is a classic move taking her hand and putting it on his dick…it’s simple, but it takes sexual confidence and assuming a good reaction (because you’ve had good reactions before) to do this so most guys won’t do it they’ll wait for the girl to choose to touch his dick and force her to lead…these are little things but they’re why this guy is #1, because these little things flip those little “dominance, leading, etc” alpha switches in a girl’s head even from a 5’7″ skinny guy:
http://49.media.tum blr.com/c9da671aaafb96995907ac4183a6eed6/tumblr_n3kyx5RZ341qjstc7o7_500.gif

Hell, this dude even knows how to eat pussy (a thing some guys think is too supplicative/beta) like a dominant boss (the frame his subcommunications are coming from is that he’s doing it for HIS enjoyment of controlling her rather than trying to please her for her approval):

http://49.media.tum blr.com/88eb7fdc26fd514b64d3c1caa5182671/tumblr_msvyqvwYGP1qjstc7o1_500.gif

http://45.media.tum blr.com/90399087816f8dc9fa72411b409466b6/tumblr_mmk8qhhiit1qjstc7o1_500.gif

Again these are little things. Tiny tiny subcommunications. A lot of guys can’t even SEE this shit, espeically not in real-time, and even when I describe exactly what I’m talking about a lot of hardcase newbies who’ve barely ever talked to women can’t even see exactly what I mean.

But those little subcommunications of “I’m a caveman and you’re the piece of meat I’m going to fuck” are why this guy is popular and a LOT of this stuff translates to how you interact with women in real life in general…cutting space, laser eye-contact, growling dirty shit in their ear, manhandling them physically…girls hindbrains know that this is a guy who knows how to fuck them the way their chode husbands and orbiters and a lot of jacked firemen dudes who are super confident on the job and dominant around other men but act like FI-brainwashed supplicative chodes around women won’t do and women can TELL they won’t do it from their SUBCOMMUNICATIONS that RADIATE “I’m not a guy who will fuck you like this even if I LOOK like a guy that SHOULD.”

And this stuff isn’t just when you’re escalating during sex (like “but YaReally these are all just porn, we’re talking about INITIAL attraction not once you’re already fucking them!!”), but use your fucking head and think of how this applies to your OVERALL interactions with women when you meet them:

Like, when you shake a girl’s hand you CAN just shake her hand and introduce herself. But next time try, as soon as you shake her hand, look her in the eyes lasering and yank on that hand just slightly, the way Deen does in one of those first clips, so that the movement on your end is miniscule/effortless, you’re just slightly pulling your wrist back and slightly downward, but watch her attraction/Buying Temperature shoot through the fucking ROOF when she loses her balance and tip taps forward in her heels to bump into you as you catch her and smoothly lift her hand up around your shoulder still staring her down confidently as if you’ve done this a thousand times before. Even better, DO it a thousand times so that it IS second nature to you to handle women that way and be comfortable with it lol

And of course we can’t ignore the reality that a LOT of those fireman calendars and the clients who hire male strippers for private parties and the people watching male webcams are gay dudes, not women lol

That doesn’t mean women DON’T like that stuff too, but there’s ENDLESS counter-evidence that the “girls want jacked firemen every guy should lift and try to get jacked (and rich)” guys have to explain that they never seem to ACTUALLY be able to explain and instead try to just dismiss the evidence or reply with snark because they don’t even really understand it themselves…When women say “we want a dad-bod”, we say “don’t listen to what women SAY, they don’t understand how their own attraction works, look at what they DO instead”. But when women say “we want a hulk-bod”, we say “I KNEW IT! SEE?? LISTEN TO WHAT WOMEN SAY! THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN ATTRACTION BEST!! THIS CONFIRMS MY WORLD VIEW EVEN THOUGH I JUST TOLD YOU NOT TO LISTEN TO WHAT WOMEN SAY BUT NOW THAT IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT I THINK THEN WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THEM LOOK AT THIS INTERVIEW WHERE THEY SAY THEY WANT THE GREEN HULK GUY AND NOT THE DAD BOD WHO CARES ABOUT CONSISTENCY LET’S JUST PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN WE LISTEN TO WHAT WOMEN SAY AND IGNORE WHAT THEY DO!!”

The rule is ALWAYS ignore what women say and look at what they actually DO…and what they actually DO is go home with, date, chase, and FUCK dominant alpha guys who rarely look like jacked fireman Chad Thundercock stepping off a calendar page, and what they actually DO is make a 5’7″ skinny guy like James Deen the world’s #1 male pornstar.

In closing I leave you with this:

Looking forward to either:

1) the well thought-out rebuttals that explain a guy like James Deen’s popularity (and Twilight guy, and textual erotica’s popularity with women (if they care that much about the visuals like us shouldn’t they just stick with visual porn like us?), and the millions of infield examples I’ve linked where not traditionally attractive guys get girls, and hell, why a girl can have a dozen WAY better looking jacked rich orbiters txting her at the bar but STILL choose to go home with a guy like me and my buddies and choose us over better looking AMOGs that enter our sets or stand beside us, etc)

…or 2) the frustrated release of that fingertip grip on the socially conditioned value system (that even a Natural who was in a rockband and lives in Vegas working with bottle models can buy into because he probably didn’t go through the same “I have no traditional value and even anti-value in some areas, but want to bang hot girls” process that guys like Tyler or myself went through (or Ryan the indian RSD instructor Julien describes in that video etc) that forced us to confront this limiting belief and really explore how attraction works out in the field multiple nights a week (instead of relying on silly survey data) because if we DON’T fully understand this shit then we don’t get to just go home to get laid by our wives, we can’t afford to NOT understand it better than other guys who aren’t out there pulling and ACTUALLY sticking their dicks in <25yo poon and competing with jacked rich guys for that poon right now in 2015 do), followed by the begrudging acceptance of what I've been saying for years so men can focus on the right channels. ;)


The Tyranny of Biomechanics

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YaReally
on December 2nd, 2015 at 5:26 am
Original Link

“In other words, the latent purpose of this social order is to force men to comply with women’s sexual strategy, irrespective of their evolved sexual arousal cues.”

Crowder said it best here:

“My penis is a veritable weather-stick of beauty. You can’t trick it, it knows no societal boundaries, it doesn’t care how poor you are or the color of your skin…if you’re ATTRACTIVE, it’s going up. You can’t trick the system, it’s a lie detector test. So there’s no we had a meeting behind your back and just said “we’re gonna say Lena Dunham isn’t attractive just to screw with her”…you’re NOT ATTRACTIVE, you didn’t beat the test!”

And my usual lol to the rest of the stuff about male physical attractiveness.

Time to get gay as fuck in here, I put a space in the NSFW URLs (remove the space from “tum blr”) but left the shirtless shit there because the header of the article has a shirtless dude lol:

Why does the 50 Shades of Grey book sell a billion copies? It has NO visuals in it. Why do teenage girls everywhere fantasize about that skinny Twilight vampire kid?

James Deen, world’s #1 male pornstar (who’s about to be tanked by crazy bitches, but ignoring that lol)…stands at a whopping 5’7″ tall and isn’t QUITE jacked like a hulking fireman calendar:

How can a skinny dude with no ripped 6-pack who’s shorter than me be the world’s #1 male pornstar? How are there hundreds of thousands of women getting off to his videos and dreaming of getting fucked by him? It’s not like there isn’t competition in porn, like there aren’t thousands of jacked dudes in porn with giant dicks and shit…ya he has a pretty face but like there aren’t hundreds of other dudes in porn with better faces than him? It’s a free market, women can watch vids of any porn they want there’s no “on the spot microphone in your face “do you prefer a skinny 5’7″ guy or this hulking beast in green paint” camera on them” pressure to influence them…So why is he #1 to women? Why are they choosing this skinny little guy over those other “better looking” guys? Why does James Deen have 1300 movies and make like $20,000/mo for doing porn?

Is this what’s in those firemen calendars we’re using as a guage for what’s attractive to women?:

Which month of the year in the jacked fireman calendar is the pic on the right from?:

Because it’s not about looks or muscles or money. It’s about alpha qualities like dominance, confidence, eye-contact, sexual confidence, leading, causing emotional impact (Twilight), etc:

Dominant dirty talk, choking, etc (if you’re going to do ANYTHING related to choking, google the fuck out of how to do it safely and calibrate up to it slowly):

I always rest a hand on a girl’s throat when we first makeout (once she’s into it I slide my hand from her cheek to her throat) to see if she’s receptive to it…that one move lets her know the despite my not being a jacked fireman I’m going to fuck her in an alpha way:

Note how he could let her just come over to him or just hold her hand but instead as soon as he takes her hand he yanks her into him so she’s off balance for a split second and catches her, then goes into a pin against the wall…he’s a little 5’7″ dude he actually looks an inch shorter than her because of her heels, but he knows how to confidently dominate her, doesn’t second guess his movements just grabs her like she’s a piece of meat to him:

NSFW (check the way he shoves her around and the instinctive girly response to being manhandled):
http://45.media.tum blr.com/eb533fb96dc5a84fd3e3b7c82d560103/tumblr_mstyc7A1tl1qjstc7o2_500.gif

NSFW (more manhandling by the back of her neck this time to put her up against the wall, again I do this stuff when I first makeout with girls):
http://49.media.tum blr.com/37db6692f9b5bebd724922e5ed49f3ff/tumblr_mxgwlehIpk1qjstc7o4_400.gif

NSFW (he could just lay her back gently, and this is another chick who’s probably taller than him, but it doesn’t matter, he knows how to manhandle her body and PUT her down):
http://49.media.tum blr.com/6cbd4fac07734062329f225afcedeb90/tumblr_minmzloO6V1qjstc7o2_400.gif

NSFW (no fucks given in his body language as he manhandles her by the hair…the girl herself can’t see that he doesn’t even look up, but all the chicks watching this porno scene see that…it’s these little things, tiny subcomms that make girls watch his shit):
http://45.media.tum blr.com/6614f6783575297116d18690640c6eb2/tumblr_mnuu0w0C6w1qjstc7o1_500.gif

NSFW (again he’s not jacked but he doesn’t have to be to manhandle her, he just knows how to manipulate her body and make her feel helpless, you don’t have to be huge to do that you just have to understand body mechanics and how to put her off-balance and catch her again and shit):
http://49.media.tum blr.com/9e1d385777a895065a20c35fb9cbe020/tumblr_mj1r7daLV11qjstc7o1_500.gif

NSFW (again more dominance and manhandling):
http://45.media.tum blr.com/f0630da83f6a3558edd337c2b1da7af6/tumblr_mthj26GwZc1qjstc7o2_500.gif

NSFW (even leading from foreplay, this is a classic move taking her hand and putting it on his dick…it’s simple, but it takes sexual confidence and assuming a good reaction (because you’ve had good reactions before) to do this so most guys won’t do it they’ll wait for the girl to choose to touch his dick and force her to lead…these are little things but they’re why this guy is #1, because these little things flip those little “dominance, leading, etc” alpha switches in a girl’s head even from a 5’7″ skinny guy:
http://49.media.tum blr.com/c9da671aaafb96995907ac4183a6eed6/tumblr_n3kyx5RZ341qjstc7o7_500.gif

Hell, this dude even knows how to eat pussy (a thing some guys think is too supplicative/beta) like a dominant boss (the frame his subcommunications are coming from is that he’s doing it for HIS enjoyment of controlling her rather than trying to please her for her approval):

http://49.media.tum blr.com/88eb7fdc26fd514b64d3c1caa5182671/tumblr_msvyqvwYGP1qjstc7o1_500.gif

http://45.media.tum blr.com/90399087816f8dc9fa72411b409466b6/tumblr_mmk8qhhiit1qjstc7o1_500.gif

Again these are little things. Tiny tiny subcommunications. A lot of guys can’t even SEE this shit, espeically not in real-time, and even when I describe exactly what I’m talking about a lot of hardcase newbies who’ve barely ever talked to women can’t even see exactly what I mean.

But those little subcommunications of “I’m a caveman and you’re the piece of meat I’m going to fuck” are why this guy is popular and a LOT of this stuff translates to how you interact with women in real life in general…cutting space, laser eye-contact, growling dirty shit in their ear, manhandling them physically…girls hindbrains know that this is a guy who knows how to fuck them the way their chode husbands and orbiters and a lot of jacked firemen dudes who are super confident on the job and dominant around other men but act like FI-brainwashed supplicative chodes around women won’t do and women can TELL they won’t do it from their SUBCOMMUNICATIONS that RADIATE “I’m not a guy who will fuck you like this even if I LOOK like a guy that SHOULD.”

And this stuff isn’t just when you’re escalating during sex (like “but YaReally these are all just porn, we’re talking about INITIAL attraction not once you’re already fucking them!!”), but use your fucking head and think of how this applies to your OVERALL interactions with women when you meet them:

Like, when you shake a girl’s hand you CAN just shake her hand and introduce herself. But next time try, as soon as you shake her hand, look her in the eyes lasering and yank on that hand just slightly, the way Deen does in one of those first clips, so that the movement on your end is miniscule/effortless, you’re just slightly pulling your wrist back and slightly downward, but watch her attraction/Buying Temperature shoot through the fucking ROOF when she loses her balance and tip taps forward in her heels to bump into you as you catch her and smoothly lift her hand up around your shoulder still staring her down confidently as if you’ve done this a thousand times before. Even better, DO it a thousand times so that it IS second nature to you to handle women that way and be comfortable with it lol

And of course we can’t ignore the reality that a LOT of those fireman calendars and the clients who hire male strippers for private parties and the people watching male webcams are gay dudes, not women lol

That doesn’t mean women DON’T like that stuff too, but there’s ENDLESS counter-evidence that the “girls want jacked firemen every guy should lift and try to get jacked (and rich)” guys have to explain that they never seem to ACTUALLY be able to explain and instead try to just dismiss the evidence or reply with snark because they don’t even really understand it themselves…When women say “we want a dad-bod”, we say “don’t listen to what women SAY, they don’t understand how their own attraction works, look at what they DO instead”. But when women say “we want a hulk-bod”, we say “I KNEW IT! SEE?? LISTEN TO WHAT WOMEN SAY! THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN ATTRACTION BEST!! THIS CONFIRMS MY WORLD VIEW EVEN THOUGH I JUST TOLD YOU NOT TO LISTEN TO WHAT WOMEN SAY BUT NOW THAT IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT I THINK THEN WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THEM LOOK AT THIS INTERVIEW WHERE THEY SAY THEY WANT THE GREEN HULK GUY AND NOT THE DAD BOD WHO CARES ABOUT CONSISTENCY LET’S JUST PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN WE LISTEN TO WHAT WOMEN SAY AND IGNORE WHAT THEY DO!!”

The rule is ALWAYS ignore what women say and look at what they actually DO…and what they actually DO is go home with, date, chase, and FUCK dominant alpha guys who rarely look like jacked fireman Chad Thundercock stepping off a calendar page, and what they actually DO is make a 5’7″ skinny guy like James Deen the world’s #1 male pornstar.

In closing I leave you with this:

Looking forward to either:

1) the well thought-out rebuttals that explain a guy like James Deen’s popularity (and Twilight guy, and textual erotica’s popularity with women (if they care that much about the visuals like us shouldn’t they just stick with visual porn like us?), and the millions of infield examples I’ve linked where not traditionally attractive guys get girls, and hell, why a girl can have a dozen WAY better looking jacked rich orbiters txting her at the bar but STILL choose to go home with a guy like me and my buddies and choose us over better looking AMOGs that enter our sets or stand beside us, etc)

…or 2) the frustrated release of that fingertip grip on the socially conditioned value system (that even a Natural who was in a rockband and lives in Vegas working with bottle models can buy into because he probably didn’t go through the same “I have no traditional value and even anti-value in some areas, but want to bang hot girls” process that guys like Tyler or myself went through (or Ryan the indian RSD instructor Julien describes in that video etc) that forced us to confront this limiting belief and really explore how attraction works out in the field multiple nights a week (instead of relying on silly survey data) because if we DON’T fully understand this shit then we don’t get to just go home to get laid by our wives, we can’t afford to NOT understand it better than other guys who aren’t out there pulling and ACTUALLY sticking their dicks in <25yo poon and competing with jacked rich guys for that poon right now in 2015 do), followed by the begrudging acceptance of what I've been saying for years so men can focus on the right channels. πŸ˜‰


The Tyranny of Biomechanics

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YaReally
on December 3rd, 2015 at 3:57 am
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@redlight
“Despite the rough sexual paces, says American director Veronica Hart, women enjoy working with Siffredi”

That should say “BECAUSE OF the rough sexual paces…” lol

From his GQ interview:

“”As far as making visually stimulating erotic cinema, Digital Playground’s pretty much the best,” says Deen. “Personally, I hate it. It’s too pretty. When I’m watching adult, I don’t care about the lighting. I want to see dirty, nasty: Rocco Siffredi”—an Italian porn star known for full-contact choreographies in which he dragoons pretty ladies into tonguing his caboose.”

“Then Deen, by way of small talk, recounts yesterday’s Steve-Holmes-texting-the-fellatio-photo-to-Allie-James’s-mother anecdote, to which Proxy Paige replies that she would like “to fuck [Steve] and his son so bad it makes me uncomfortable,””

Steve Holmes, page 2 in the Fireman BMW tire Calendar after the skinny 5’7″ kid:

Deen is a midget who should give up on life according to the MISC forums, and yet they put the girls in heels beside him towering over him…how could a girl possibly want to see a pic like this, he’s supposed to tower over them and be huge and jacked like Chad Thundercock!! This picture shouldn’t exist, he should be standing on a box or something he must be triggering girls repulsion being short!!:

From another interview:

“But she’s hopeful the industry will start to see women as consumers in their own right. Curry excitedly points me to New Sensations’ Romance Series, a line of “erotica for her.” “They’re little Jennifer Aniston-type romantic comedies,” Curry says. “They’re adorable.”

But it turns out these feature-length films are more like “erotica for them”—porn for men to buy their reluctant wives. “We’re often targeting couples,” says Jacky St. James, publicist and writer for New Sensations. According to the website, titles in the series are “written by a woman and directed by a man,” and have features to appeal to both. For her: “passionate, connected, and intimate sex.” For him: a money shot. However, there are absolutely “no pop shots above the neck.” The company’s research has shown the stomach to be the most respectful part of a woman’s body on which a man can deposit his sperm.

“I don’t know a single woman that watches any of these porn-for-women Playgirl type of things,” Deen says. Most women? “They want to see porno. They’re watching what they want to watch, regardless of what’s marketed toward them.””

@scribblerg
“What a breakdown in your comments.”

Glad someone got use out of it lol I didn’t know anything about James Deen till this controversy and then googled him and was like “wtf, this guy looks like just a normal dude.” But apparently the guy films so frequently that he’s doing a new shoot pretty much 365 days a year and just drives from city to city for shoot to shoot. From what I can tell he has solid game, knows how to balance the rough Lover stuff with the sweet Provider stuff to flip all the right switches with girls. I’m watching interviews and stuff with him because it’s rare to see into the mind of a guy living abundance beyond what even amazing Naturals are living and he’s trouncing the whole “being jacked matters to women” thing (again he has a good face but a lot of guys in porn have better faces) as a 5’7″ with apparently a standard average dick, no monster cock or anything crazy. Dude doesn’t do any lifting or anything, just eats a clean diet and fucks all day for cardio.

His fanbase is a ton of teenage girls, like he’s huge in the <25yo demographic. And he says to keep sex interesting and exciting (one thing girls always bring up is how "into it" he always looks), he looks for the unique thing in each chick that turns him on, which aligns with a lot of pickup stuff, like building comfort/rapport with people in general is easy when you don't judge them and try to look for some unique interesting thing they bring to the table to get that sincere connection. A lot of descriptions about him are about how he looks at the girls during sex and the connection it looks like he has (even though outside of fucking he has zero chemistry with a lot of the girls, when he's fucking he zones into that state which resonates with me because I feel like I get to know girls way better when I'm fucking them than when we're sitting at a dinner yapping about shit).

When he was younger he would fuck girls at parties and raves and shit in front of everyone to get used to performing in front of an audience so he would be able to do it on porn sets. Like, that's a guy who's conditioning himself to be comfortable with sex lol I know guys who still choke up or get flustered just talking about sex around girls they've just met but it's no big deal to him. Because of his experience, women are probably pussy/sex objects to him first, THEN people. Like he knows any girl he meets loves sex and orgasms and wants to get bent over etc there's no question in his mind because all he does is fuck hot girls all day every day. Whereas a lot of normal guys will view women first as people, THEN when we have attraction and a connection, start to view them as pussy.

Like when a normal guy is at the mall and sees some chick in yoga pants, he thinks "that's a nice ass wow, she's gorgeous…probably has a boyfriend or something. Maybe if I get her out on a date we'll have sex, I bet if I saw her at the club she would want to have sex around 2am after the bar!" But Deen probably sees the same girl and thinks "that chick is horny as fuck, that's why she's wearing that shit, she was probably masturbating in the car on the way to the mall and her hands probably smell like pussy right now…I bet she'd be down to fuck in that bathroom over there before she goes back to her boyfriend smelling like me and that would be hot to her." not because he's even INTERESTED in her but just because he knows women love sex as much as men (probably more).

A LOT of guys infield will have very asexual interactions until they have the secure green light from the girl before they'll start being sexual or talking about sex etc because they're scared "what if she doesn't like it?" but a guy like Deen knows "of course she likes it, I was just doing ass to mouth with two girls who were fisting eachother this morning" lol

Just being unstifled about non-judgemental about sex is huge and radiates out your subcommunications.

Like in this vid he's not drunk or anything seems pretty chill, just in a natural unstifled state, and look how zero fucks given he is about talking about his penis out loud and dropping his pants in public and then talking to some chicks in a car with his pants down:

That's a guy that has no hangups about sex, no insecurities about his body, height, dick size, muscles, etc. That's a guy radiating 100% abundance.

…but most guys will look at him and see he has no muscles and go "well, he's got a super good-looking face so that's what it is!!" and when you show them pics of porn dudes with way better faces they'll go "…well, he's a RICH CELEBRITY!! So that's what it is!!" and it's like he's rich NOW but he didn't start out as some rich celebrity, he started out as some dude doing porn and fucking girls at parties and shit and he's hitting the right switches for women that the better looking taller more jacked Chad Thundercocks of porn aren't hitting. But people will try to find ANY excuse to fit this into their socially conditioned belief system instead of accepting that they could simply stop feeling self-conscious about their bodies, height, weight, muscles, money, etc and if they learn game and fix their subcomms and build abundance with women via game etc, they would get the success they don't feel entitled to get with all their shitty wiring.

"I do some of those things instinctively sometimes but to see it explained is just mindblowing, truly"

The funny part to me is that it's all RIGHT THERE for ANYONE to see. But no one looks for this stuff because everyone is too caught up in "well that guy is jacked so that's why he's successful with women, I don't need to look any deeper than that because that fits my paradigm!" or "well he's short and skinny so women wouldn't like him, but he's the #1 pornstar ummm but uhhh well, I DON'T WANNA THINK ABOUT THIS I'M CLOSING THE WINDOW AND READING ANOTHER ARTICLE ABOUT HOW WOMEN WANT CHAD THUNDERCOCK!!" and will just dismiss all this evidence right in front of them instead of really looking at the nuances of how he's doing what he does and learning from it.

Like I say, most guys won't even notice the little subcomms if they aren't pointed out, like how unstifled he talks about his penis and sex toys in that TMZ clip, or how he yanks the girl's hand to bring her closer to him in those images I posted, or how when he refuses to talk about Lindsey Lohan and talks about "I don't like to talk about other people" he's actually subcommunicating "I'll keep your secrets" to women who see that TMZ clip which their hindbrain interprets as "it's safe to fuck him, HE won't think I'm a slut and HE won't talk about me to others who might judge me" and they just don't get how all of those little things add up in girls' brains.

A lot of this stuff COMES with abundance when you DO get your sex life on track (because you're going out and macking girls instead of just keyboard theorizing right?), but like, you can fake a lot of it or learn to internalize a lot of the mindsets. Like I throw on porn before I go out, just playing it in the background while I shower up and get ready and blast music, because I'm putting myself in the headspace of "sex is normal, women love sex, everyone loves sex, I'm not going out to "have a chat" I'm going out to be sexual around women I want to fuck and who want to get fucked because they're not walking around in those heels and tight dresses because they're comfortable."

"She told me she had a rape fantasy tonight, uhh, no women has ever felt comfortable enough with me sexually to let that out. I think I would have shamed a women in the past for it actually. I always thought that was pathological."

Now the question is: is she just some slut? Does she run around telling everyone about her rape fantasies? Or is it the way you're interacting with her and subcommunicating non-judgement that's making her feel comfortable and safe enough to tell you that kind of stuff? The madonna/whore complex is stupid. They're all "whores", just not for guys who they can tell will judge them (because it's literally Survival for them to learn from a very young age how to read the subcomms of judgemental people, literally all of junior high etc is about trying to escape without being judged and having her reputation ruined Mean Girls style because she misread whether she could trust someone and she'll actively choose to NOT trust someone if she can't tell, just to be on the safe side). And when you understand that, think about "are there routines/stories/openers/etc that I could be saying to girls that would quickly and efficiently communicate that I'm that non-judgemental guy that she can admit these things to?" and streamline your game.

I always joke that when I come back from talking to a girl my buddies will be like "so what's her name?" "dunno." "how old is she?" "dunno." "what's she do for a living?" "dunno." "?? wtf were you two talking about??" "she's not wearing panties tonight and likes being choked in bed :)" Because I'm very purposely streamlining my game toward flipping the right switches to have those conversations with girls that other guys won't have with them till a few hours in or after the first bang or after a month of dating or maybe NEVER if they're too chodey…but I'm looking at "how can I have these conversations immediately?" because I want to tighten my skills up.

Can I do it with every set? No I still chode out a bunch, esp at the start of the night or if I'm going through a dry spell or the girl is way hotter than I'm feeling entitled to etc, but like, the point is that I'm pro-actively working on it and will get to the point where I DO have insane consistency with it and I'm just that guy that most girls I talk to want to fuck me, and they want their girlfriends to fuck me, and they want to fuck their girlfriends WITH me etc lol Maybe I'll get there, maybe I won't, but 1) I'm WAY closer to that than I ever would have IMAGINED was possible back before I started learning PUA and this shit was all just movie magic that only rich Chad Thundercock can do, and 2) I'm in no rush, the journey is pretty fucking fun lol

"Now I know it’s just the hunger for surrender, for the sweet release of submission and the rush they get from being dominated."

The vast majority of women don't WANT to be in charge or lead the interaction, but the vast majority of men these days especially in the FI-brainwashed <25yo crowd won't take the lead so women are forced TO take the lead and they HATE it. That's why they love older men now because they assume "an older man will PROBABLY be dominant and lead and alpha etc", the exact same way they think "a tall jacked guy will PROBABLY be dominant and lead and alpha etc" and just like we think "a girl in a slutty dress will PROBABLY be down to fuck and fun in bed"…it's all people just extrapolating off externals before interacting with the person and finding out for real what that person's subcomms say about who they are. But this is shit that goes over a lot of guys' heads because they're still clinging to their socially conditioned value system and can't step away to objectively observe this, and don't go out and mack the <25yo crowd and try to stick their dicks in them to see how shit actually plays out infield under pressure testing. You can learn a lot of Karate in a dojo and be really good at sparring, but half the shit you think you know is going to get shoved in your face when you fight someone who does MMA and when you learn MMA half the shit you think you know is going to get shoved in your face when you fight a group of guys on the street with knives and shit.

The way you understand picking up <25yo women in 2015 is to go pick up and try to fuck <25yo women in 2015…everything else is theory.

"If anyone had said this would be my life 3 years ago I would have laughed."

lol welcome to the club. Glad the red pill has helped you but a lot of it is the effort you've put in…we can provide the answers/directions but it been up to you to apply them.

"I’m so tempted to post the pic this little strumpet sent me tonight, holy shit is she hot. But I won’t…"

lol don't. Obviously. And Kim better not be her real name.

@theasdgamer
"Don’t underestimate the effectiveness of strength. I like to toss Mrs. Gamer into the air and catch her."

Tossing a girl around doesn't require much strength. Shit like jiu-jitsu is literally designed for people to effortlessly toss other people around by understanding body mechanics and leverage etc It takes pretty much no effort to toss a girl with a double-leg takedown suddenly in the middle of a makeout, or a sudden fast chokeslam onto the bed (nudge them backwards so they're off balance and their calves hit the edge of my bed not realizing it's there as I plow forwards and slam them back by the neck (not even clenching the neck just resting my fingers on it as my forearm/palm do the actual push to her upper chest, but it FEELS dangerous and exciting to her). Lifting a girl over your shoulders in various ways can be done with body mechanics (the Fireman Carry is literally designed to use as little muscle as possible). When I lift them up to wrap their legs around me (even if they're taller than me) I make sure there's a wall nearby so I can pin them up against it and use the wall as a prop to help take the weight off my muscles etc. Like it's cool if you can juggle her like a bodybuilder on the beach, but it's not necessary and probably WILL throw out your back at some point lol. It takes very little effort to unbalance a girl and toss her around and physically dominate her.

What guys worried about their looks need to understand is that at the end of the day, in the moment when she's horny and getting railed even though any girl would look at this pic below and go "oh gross that's disgusting that guy is gross I would never masturbate to this picture or that guy", all the girl getting fucked (who can basically just see in front of her or see the couch her face is being shoved into or has her eyes closed) feels in this pic:

NSFW (remove the space in ghostvidstube): http://b.ghostvids tube.com/mstrbg/1862/86860409.jpg

…is the exact same thing these girls feel:

NSFW (remove the space in ramthesunlover): http://www.ramthe sunlover.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Rough-Sex-bent-over-desk-gif.gif

NSFW (remove the space in tumblr): http://49.media.tum blr.com/414110ea3f0752e39256d55fdfc843a0/tumblr_n74xbnJsum1revz5to1_500.gif

NSFW (remove the space in photobucket): http://s44.photo bucket.com/user/zombie4ever4/media/Rough-Sex-throat-grip-gif-1_zpsmr9wbolf.gif.html

All it comes down to is "I'm immobilized and helpless and can feel a man's weight on me and can do nothing to stop him railing me as I struggle". You don't need strength or a 6-pack for that…unless you're fucking like, giant 6'4" fatties lol

Now being in shape enough to have cardio for fucking is a good idea, but like, the fucking itself is more important than being eye-candy. Girls don't come back to me for sex because I'm the hottest tallest jackedest richest guy on their phone lol The problem is most guys who are self-conscious about their "not up to society's standards of what's attractive, or women's conscious self-survey of what they think is sexy in a Fireman calendar" bodies don't feel entitled to fuck the girl dominantly because they feel apologetic for even BEING there and NOT being a fireman like they're "getting away" with being "allowed" to fuck her despite how "ugly" they are so they don't act like the king of fuck-mountain…ESPECIALLY if they manage to get a really HOT girl who seems like this delicate flower who's dolled up all perfect and they don't want to ruin her nice makeup or dishevel her expensive hair-do she got styled that night etc, so they hold back and then the girl DOES judge them based on just their bodies because what you feel she feels and she's always pinging off her environment for how to feel, so in the end they just confirm their own limiting beliefs and keep the spiral going as they beat themselves up and promise they'll go to the gym tomorrow and develop all these fucked up self-conscious mental barriers to feeling entitled to fuck hot girls.

Just like James Deen would have developed if he worried about his height or his lack of fireman muscles…instead he purposely started fucking girls at parties in front of everyone and giving no fucks about his looks because he knows girls like to fuck, and now his calendars probably outsell those fireman ones lol

"Old married man stuff follows. Older girls have brittle hair so you can’t pull their hair hard or it comes out. And you can’t choke them because you might kill them–heart disease. Then there’s the risk of vagus nerve stimulation from improper choking stopping the heart. Or maybe one girl has an unusual path for her vagus nerve and you happen to hit it. Choking is risky."

Jesus christ. That paragraph just made me single for life. I'm sticking to the young chicks I never even thought about any of that shit lol


The Tyranny of Biomechanics

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YaReally
on December 3rd, 2015 at 3:57 am
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@redlight
“Despite the rough sexual paces, says American director Veronica Hart, women enjoy working with Siffredi”

That should say “BECAUSE OF the rough sexual paces…” lol

From his GQ interview:

“”As far as making visually stimulating erotic cinema, Digital Playground’s pretty much the best,” says Deen. “Personally, I hate it. It’s too pretty. When I’m watching adult, I don’t care about the lighting. I want to see dirty, nasty: Rocco Siffredi”—an Italian porn star known for full-contact choreographies in which he dragoons pretty ladies into tonguing his caboose.”

“Then Deen, by way of small talk, recounts yesterday’s Steve-Holmes-texting-the-fellatio-photo-to-Allie-James’s-mother anecdote, to which Proxy Paige replies that she would like “to fuck [Steve] and his son so bad it makes me uncomfortable,””

Steve Holmes, page 2 in the Fireman BMW tire Calendar after the skinny 5’7″ kid:

Deen is a midget who should give up on life according to the MISC forums, and yet they put the girls in heels beside him towering over him…how could a girl possibly want to see a pic like this, he’s supposed to tower over them and be huge and jacked like Chad Thundercock!! This picture shouldn’t exist, he should be standing on a box or something he must be triggering girls repulsion being short!!:

From another interview:

“But she’s hopeful the industry will start to see women as consumers in their own right. Curry excitedly points me to New Sensations’ Romance Series, a line of “erotica for her.” “They’re little Jennifer Aniston-type romantic comedies,” Curry says. “They’re adorable.”

But it turns out these feature-length films are more like “erotica for them”—porn for men to buy their reluctant wives. “We’re often targeting couples,” says Jacky St. James, publicist and writer for New Sensations. According to the website, titles in the series are “written by a woman and directed by a man,” and have features to appeal to both. For her: “passionate, connected, and intimate sex.” For him: a money shot. However, there are absolutely “no pop shots above the neck.” The company’s research has shown the stomach to be the most respectful part of a woman’s body on which a man can deposit his sperm.

“I don’t know a single woman that watches any of these porn-for-women Playgirl type of things,” Deen says. Most women? “They want to see porno. They’re watching what they want to watch, regardless of what’s marketed toward them.””

@scribblerg
“What a breakdown in your comments.”

Glad someone got use out of it lol I didn’t know anything about James Deen till this controversy and then googled him and was like “wtf, this guy looks like just a normal dude.” But apparently the guy films so frequently that he’s doing a new shoot pretty much 365 days a year and just drives from city to city for shoot to shoot. From what I can tell he has solid game, knows how to balance the rough Lover stuff with the sweet Provider stuff to flip all the right switches with girls. I’m watching interviews and stuff with him because it’s rare to see into the mind of a guy living abundance beyond what even amazing Naturals are living and he’s trouncing the whole “being jacked matters to women” thing (again he has a good face but a lot of guys in porn have better faces) as a 5’7″ with apparently a standard average dick, no monster cock or anything crazy. Dude doesn’t do any lifting or anything, just eats a clean diet and fucks all day for cardio.

His fanbase is a ton of teenage girls, like he’s huge in the <25yo demographic. And he says to keep sex interesting and exciting (one thing girls always bring up is how "into it" he always looks), he looks for the unique thing in each chick that turns him on, which aligns with a lot of pickup stuff, like building comfort/rapport with people in general is easy when you don't judge them and try to look for some unique interesting thing they bring to the table to get that sincere connection. A lot of descriptions about him are about how he looks at the girls during sex and the connection it looks like he has (even though outside of fucking he has zero chemistry with a lot of the girls, when he's fucking he zones into that state which resonates with me because I feel like I get to know girls way better when I'm fucking them than when we're sitting at a dinner yapping about shit).

When he was younger he would fuck girls at parties and raves and shit in front of everyone to get used to performing in front of an audience so he would be able to do it on porn sets. Like, that's a guy who's conditioning himself to be comfortable with sex lol I know guys who still choke up or get flustered just talking about sex around girls they've just met but it's no big deal to him. Because of his experience, women are probably pussy/sex objects to him first, THEN people. Like he knows any girl he meets loves sex and orgasms and wants to get bent over etc there's no question in his mind because all he does is fuck hot girls all day every day. Whereas a lot of normal guys will view women first as people, THEN when we have attraction and a connection, start to view them as pussy.

Like when a normal guy is at the mall and sees some chick in yoga pants, he thinks "that's a nice ass wow, she's gorgeous…probably has a boyfriend or something. Maybe if I get her out on a date we'll have sex, I bet if I saw her at the club she would want to have sex around 2am after the bar!" But Deen probably sees the same girl and thinks "that chick is horny as fuck, that's why she's wearing that shit, she was probably masturbating in the car on the way to the mall and her hands probably smell like pussy right now…I bet she'd be down to fuck in that bathroom over there before she goes back to her boyfriend smelling like me and that would be hot to her." not because he's even INTERESTED in her but just because he knows women love sex as much as men (probably more).

A LOT of guys infield will have very asexual interactions until they have the secure green light from the girl before they'll start being sexual or talking about sex etc because they're scared "what if she doesn't like it?" but a guy like Deen knows "of course she likes it, I was just doing ass to mouth with two girls who were fisting eachother this morning" lol

Just being unstifled about non-judgemental about sex is huge and radiates out your subcommunications.

Like in this vid he's not drunk or anything seems pretty chill, just in a natural unstifled state, and look how zero fucks given he is about talking about his penis out loud and dropping his pants in public and then talking to some chicks in a car with his pants down:

That's a guy that has no hangups about sex, no insecurities about his body, height, dick size, muscles, etc. That's a guy radiating 100% abundance.

…but most guys will look at him and see he has no muscles and go "well, he's got a super good-looking face so that's what it is!!" and when you show them pics of porn dudes with way better faces they'll go "…well, he's a RICH CELEBRITY!! So that's what it is!!" and it's like he's rich NOW but he didn't start out as some rich celebrity, he started out as some dude doing porn and fucking girls at parties and shit and he's hitting the right switches for women that the better looking taller more jacked Chad Thundercocks of porn aren't hitting. But people will try to find ANY excuse to fit this into their socially conditioned belief system instead of accepting that they could simply stop feeling self-conscious about their bodies, height, weight, muscles, money, etc and if they learn game and fix their subcomms and build abundance with women via game etc, they would get the success they don't feel entitled to get with all their shitty wiring.

"I do some of those things instinctively sometimes but to see it explained is just mindblowing, truly"

The funny part to me is that it's all RIGHT THERE for ANYONE to see. But no one looks for this stuff because everyone is too caught up in "well that guy is jacked so that's why he's successful with women, I don't need to look any deeper than that because that fits my paradigm!" or "well he's short and skinny so women wouldn't like him, but he's the #1 pornstar ummm but uhhh well, I DON'T WANNA THINK ABOUT THIS I'M CLOSING THE WINDOW AND READING ANOTHER ARTICLE ABOUT HOW WOMEN WANT CHAD THUNDERCOCK!!" and will just dismiss all this evidence right in front of them instead of really looking at the nuances of how he's doing what he does and learning from it.

Like I say, most guys won't even notice the little subcomms if they aren't pointed out, like how unstifled he talks about his penis and sex toys in that TMZ clip, or how he yanks the girl's hand to bring her closer to him in those images I posted, or how when he refuses to talk about Lindsey Lohan and talks about "I don't like to talk about other people" he's actually subcommunicating "I'll keep your secrets" to women who see that TMZ clip which their hindbrain interprets as "it's safe to fuck him, HE won't think I'm a slut and HE won't talk about me to others who might judge me" and they just don't get how all of those little things add up in girls' brains.

A lot of this stuff COMES with abundance when you DO get your sex life on track (because you're going out and macking girls instead of just keyboard theorizing right?), but like, you can fake a lot of it or learn to internalize a lot of the mindsets. Like I throw on porn before I go out, just playing it in the background while I shower up and get ready and blast music, because I'm putting myself in the headspace of "sex is normal, women love sex, everyone loves sex, I'm not going out to "have a chat" I'm going out to be sexual around women I want to fuck and who want to get fucked because they're not walking around in those heels and tight dresses because they're comfortable."

"She told me she had a rape fantasy tonight, uhh, no women has ever felt comfortable enough with me sexually to let that out. I think I would have shamed a women in the past for it actually. I always thought that was pathological."

Now the question is: is she just some slut? Does she run around telling everyone about her rape fantasies? Or is it the way you're interacting with her and subcommunicating non-judgement that's making her feel comfortable and safe enough to tell you that kind of stuff? The madonna/whore complex is stupid. They're all "whores", just not for guys who they can tell will judge them (because it's literally Survival for them to learn from a very young age how to read the subcomms of judgemental people, literally all of junior high etc is about trying to escape without being judged and having her reputation ruined Mean Girls style because she misread whether she could trust someone and she'll actively choose to NOT trust someone if she can't tell, just to be on the safe side). And when you understand that, think about "are there routines/stories/openers/etc that I could be saying to girls that would quickly and efficiently communicate that I'm that non-judgemental guy that she can admit these things to?" and streamline your game.

I always joke that when I come back from talking to a girl my buddies will be like "so what's her name?" "dunno." "how old is she?" "dunno." "what's she do for a living?" "dunno." "?? wtf were you two talking about??" "she's not wearing panties tonight and likes being choked in bed :)" Because I'm very purposely streamlining my game toward flipping the right switches to have those conversations with girls that other guys won't have with them till a few hours in or after the first bang or after a month of dating or maybe NEVER if they're too chodey…but I'm looking at "how can I have these conversations immediately?" because I want to tighten my skills up.

Can I do it with every set? No I still chode out a bunch, esp at the start of the night or if I'm going through a dry spell or the girl is way hotter than I'm feeling entitled to etc, but like, the point is that I'm pro-actively working on it and will get to the point where I DO have insane consistency with it and I'm just that guy that most girls I talk to want to fuck me, and they want their girlfriends to fuck me, and they want to fuck their girlfriends WITH me etc lol Maybe I'll get there, maybe I won't, but 1) I'm WAY closer to that than I ever would have IMAGINED was possible back before I started learning PUA and this shit was all just movie magic that only rich Chad Thundercock can do, and 2) I'm in no rush, the journey is pretty fucking fun lol

"Now I know it’s just the hunger for surrender, for the sweet release of submission and the rush they get from being dominated."

The vast majority of women don't WANT to be in charge or lead the interaction, but the vast majority of men these days especially in the FI-brainwashed <25yo crowd won't take the lead so women are forced TO take the lead and they HATE it. That's why they love older men now because they assume "an older man will PROBABLY be dominant and lead and alpha etc", the exact same way they think "a tall jacked guy will PROBABLY be dominant and lead and alpha etc" and just like we think "a girl in a slutty dress will PROBABLY be down to fuck and fun in bed"…it's all people just extrapolating off externals before interacting with the person and finding out for real what that person's subcomms say about who they are. But this is shit that goes over a lot of guys' heads because they're still clinging to their socially conditioned value system and can't step away to objectively observe this, and don't go out and mack the <25yo crowd and try to stick their dicks in them to see how shit actually plays out infield under pressure testing. You can learn a lot of Karate in a dojo and be really good at sparring, but half the shit you think you know is going to get shoved in your face when you fight someone who does MMA and when you learn MMA half the shit you think you know is going to get shoved in your face when you fight a group of guys on the street with knives and shit.

The way you understand picking up <25yo women in 2015 is to go pick up and try to fuck <25yo women in 2015…everything else is theory.

"If anyone had said this would be my life 3 years ago I would have laughed."

lol welcome to the club. Glad the red pill has helped you but a lot of it is the effort you've put in…we can provide the answers/directions but it been up to you to apply them.

"I’m so tempted to post the pic this little strumpet sent me tonight, holy shit is she hot. But I won’t…"

lol don't. Obviously. And Kim better not be her real name.

@theasdgamer
"Don’t underestimate the effectiveness of strength. I like to toss Mrs. Gamer into the air and catch her."

Tossing a girl around doesn't require much strength. Shit like jiu-jitsu is literally designed for people to effortlessly toss other people around by understanding body mechanics and leverage etc It takes pretty much no effort to toss a girl with a double-leg takedown suddenly in the middle of a makeout, or a sudden fast chokeslam onto the bed (nudge them backwards so they're off balance and their calves hit the edge of my bed not realizing it's there as I plow forwards and slam them back by the neck (not even clenching the neck just resting my fingers on it as my forearm/palm do the actual push to her upper chest, but it FEELS dangerous and exciting to her). Lifting a girl over your shoulders in various ways can be done with body mechanics (the Fireman Carry is literally designed to use as little muscle as possible). When I lift them up to wrap their legs around me (even if they're taller than me) I make sure there's a wall nearby so I can pin them up against it and use the wall as a prop to help take the weight off my muscles etc. Like it's cool if you can juggle her like a bodybuilder on the beach, but it's not necessary and probably WILL throw out your back at some point lol. It takes very little effort to unbalance a girl and toss her around and physically dominate her.

What guys worried about their looks need to understand is that at the end of the day, in the moment when she's horny and getting railed even though any girl would look at this pic below and go "oh gross that's disgusting that guy is gross I would never masturbate to this picture or that guy", all the girl getting fucked (who can basically just see in front of her or see the couch her face is being shoved into or has her eyes closed) feels in this pic:

NSFW (remove the space in ghostvidstube): http://b.ghostvids tube.com/mstrbg/1862/86860409.jpg

…is the exact same thing these girls feel:

NSFW (remove the space in ramthesunlover): http://www.ramthe sunlover.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Rough-Sex-bent-over-desk-gif.gif

NSFW (remove the space in tumblr): http://49.media.tum blr.com/414110ea3f0752e39256d55fdfc843a0/tumblr_n74xbnJsum1revz5to1_500.gif

NSFW (remove the space in photobucket): http://s44.photo bucket.com/user/zombie4ever4/media/Rough-Sex-throat-grip-gif-1_zpsmr9wbolf.gif.html

All it comes down to is "I'm immobilized and helpless and can feel a man's weight on me and can do nothing to stop him railing me as I struggle". You don't need strength or a 6-pack for that…unless you're fucking like, giant 6'4" fatties lol

Now being in shape enough to have cardio for fucking is a good idea, but like, the fucking itself is more important than being eye-candy. Girls don't come back to me for sex because I'm the hottest tallest jackedest richest guy on their phone lol The problem is most guys who are self-conscious about their "not up to society's standards of what's attractive, or women's conscious self-survey of what they think is sexy in a Fireman calendar" bodies don't feel entitled to fuck the girl dominantly because they feel apologetic for even BEING there and NOT being a fireman like they're "getting away" with being "allowed" to fuck her despite how "ugly" they are so they don't act like the king of fuck-mountain…ESPECIALLY if they manage to get a really HOT girl who seems like this delicate flower who's dolled up all perfect and they don't want to ruin her nice makeup or dishevel her expensive hair-do she got styled that night etc, so they hold back and then the girl DOES judge them based on just their bodies because what you feel she feels and she's always pinging off her environment for how to feel, so in the end they just confirm their own limiting beliefs and keep the spiral going as they beat themselves up and promise they'll go to the gym tomorrow and develop all these fucked up self-conscious mental barriers to feeling entitled to fuck hot girls.

Just like James Deen would have developed if he worried about his height or his lack of fireman muscles…instead he purposely started fucking girls at parties in front of everyone and giving no fucks about his looks because he knows girls like to fuck, and now his calendars probably outsell those fireman ones lol

"Old married man stuff follows. Older girls have brittle hair so you can’t pull their hair hard or it comes out. And you can’t choke them because you might kill them–heart disease. Then there’s the risk of vagus nerve stimulation from improper choking stopping the heart. Or maybe one girl has an unusual path for her vagus nerve and you happen to hit it. Choking is risky."

Jesus christ. That paragraph just made me single for life. I'm sticking to the young chicks I never even thought about any of that shit lol


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“I won’t offer such a rebuttal.”

No one will because it can’t really be done, the evidence is sitting there in his 1300 porn vids and mansion he built off women thinking he’s sexier than firemen lol

“I have a question though. If James Deen is indeed all that, why is he now getting accused (probably falsely) of rape and attacked by SJWs?

Looks like his bitter ex-GF is just doing what bitter ex-GFs do lol She’s 29 and going to hit the wall soon so maybe it’s a publicity grab before she retires, who knows. The other girls who’ve stepped forward all seem to GUSH about working with the guy in interviews and shit in the past but have now changed to hating on him. Then there’s this shit:

https://archive.is/sCvUq

Hard to say what’s up really, it’s possible that his stardom just went to his head and he’s out there miscalibrating tea-bagging girls and slapping them too hard and shit, but it’s hard for me to believe stories like him beating the shit out of a girl outside of a sex scene in front of a bunch of staff and no one stops him or steps up as witnesses lol

The porn industry by its nature attractions huge attention/drama type chicks so it’s hard to say what’s true or not true.

I’m waiting for more evidence or a lawsuit or eyewitnesses or something personally. That Gaby Dunn archive is pretty damning but it’s ENTIRELY possible for a guy to let his stardom go to his head and start thinking he can get away with roughing up girls outside of actual sex scenes or getting off on “breaking them” (“don’t do this to me” and then he does it mid-scene just to mentally break them). Like, that’s not a big stretch for a guy to head down that path, esp a guy fucking 365 days a year.

But either way I believe in the “innocent until proven guilty” system that feminism seems to want to abolish these days. Chicks call their exes abusive all the fucking time…when I heard “my ex was abusive” back in the mid 2000s when I started game or prior I was like “OMG THAT’S HORRIBLE” and shocked to my core like omg there’s EVIL in the world. Now in 2015 it’s like oh ya, abusive was he, no I totes believe you what did he not txt you back right away? Did he kiss another girl at the bar? Did he not listen to you bitch about work all day? Girls throw accusations around like it’s nothing these days because everyone wants to be the special victim snowflake posting on Twitter about what a brave survivor they are…meanwhile ACTUAL rape victims take that shit to the grave half the time ’cause they don’t WANT to make it their identity and parade it around on Twitter.

“Didn’t you say earlier that only low-status beta losers suffer such treatment?”

Doesn’t sound like a thing I’d say, link me to a quote, you can search my archive by clicking on my name and typing shit in. Alphas and naturals etc can get railroaded and miscalibrate and have bitter exes too.


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“I won’t offer such a rebuttal.”

No one will because it can’t really be done, the evidence is sitting there in his 1300 porn vids and mansion he built off women thinking he’s sexier than firemen lol

“I have a question though. If James Deen is indeed all that, why is he now getting accused (probably falsely) of rape and attacked by SJWs?

Looks like his bitter ex-GF is just doing what bitter ex-GFs do lol She’s 29 and going to hit the wall soon so maybe it’s a publicity grab before she retires, who knows. The other girls who’ve stepped forward all seem to GUSH about working with the guy in interviews and shit in the past but have now changed to hating on him. Then there’s this shit:

https://archive.is/sCvUq

Hard to say what’s up really, it’s possible that his stardom just went to his head and he’s out there miscalibrating tea-bagging girls and slapping them too hard and shit, but it’s hard for me to believe stories like him beating the shit out of a girl outside of a sex scene in front of a bunch of staff and no one stops him or steps up as witnesses lol

The porn industry by its nature attractions huge attention/drama type chicks so it’s hard to say what’s true or not true.

I’m waiting for more evidence or a lawsuit or eyewitnesses or something personally. That Gaby Dunn archive is pretty damning but it’s ENTIRELY possible for a guy to let his stardom go to his head and start thinking he can get away with roughing up girls outside of actual sex scenes or getting off on “breaking them” (“don’t do this to me” and then he does it mid-scene just to mentally break them). Like, that’s not a big stretch for a guy to head down that path, esp a guy fucking 365 days a year.

But either way I believe in the “innocent until proven guilty” system that feminism seems to want to abolish these days. Chicks call their exes abusive all the fucking time…when I heard “my ex was abusive” back in the mid 2000s when I started game or prior I was like “OMG THAT’S HORRIBLE” and shocked to my core like omg there’s EVIL in the world. Now in 2015 it’s like oh ya, abusive was he, no I totes believe you what did he not txt you back right away? Did he kiss another girl at the bar? Did he not listen to you bitch about work all day? Girls throw accusations around like it’s nothing these days because everyone wants to be the special victim snowflake posting on Twitter about what a brave survivor they are…meanwhile ACTUAL rape victims take that shit to the grave half the time ’cause they don’t WANT to make it their identity and parade it around on Twitter.

“Didn’t you say earlier that only low-status beta losers suffer such treatment?”

Doesn’t sound like a thing I’d say, link me to a quote, you can search my archive by clicking on my name and typing shit in. Alphas and naturals etc can get railroaded and miscalibrate and have bitter exes too.


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“Deen is a situational alpha”

That’s definitely true. He’s super uncomfortable in interviews and being the center of attention (males in porn are always the assist rather than the star and he’s more comfortable being out of the spotlight like that).

BUT, when he fucks, that’s his situation where he slips into the alpha role/vibe. And even being twitchy and uncomfortable in interviews, he’s still extremely comfortable with sex and sexuality and those subcomms come through.

“and his popularity is largely due to groupies or girls wanting to get in the scene. Also, he has a major halo effect due to either skill or great female acting.”

He didn’t start out with a ton of groupies though, that’s just the momentum he’s riding now that he’s at the top, but he had to go from a nobody TO the top for the groupies to be relevant. Why WOULD he have groupies, he’s not a jacked firefighter…if the rule is that fireman calendars and jacked strippers at male stripclubs determine what women think is sexy Deen should have been a nobody, just some skinny runt in the background of a few pornos and then ended up working in an office somewhere lol

Other dudes in porn who are taller than him, with bigger dicks, and more jacked muscles, better faces etc have groupies and girls wanting to get in the scene and have great female actors social-proofing them just like him.

So how did this skinny little kid beat the odds in and industry and culture where “being a jacked firefighter hulk is sexy to women”?

’cause he’s tapping into the switches that the proper red pill (VS the reddit TRP “just lift and make money and go monk mode brah”) teaches guys to flip, and those switches aren’t bicep size or bank account size.


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“Deen is a situational alpha”

That’s definitely true. He’s super uncomfortable in interviews and being the center of attention (males in porn are always the assist rather than the star and he’s more comfortable being out of the spotlight like that).

BUT, when he fucks, that’s his situation where he slips into the alpha role/vibe. And even being twitchy and uncomfortable in interviews, he’s still extremely comfortable with sex and sexuality and those subcomms come through.

“and his popularity is largely due to groupies or girls wanting to get in the scene. Also, he has a major halo effect due to either skill or great female acting.”

He didn’t start out with a ton of groupies though, that’s just the momentum he’s riding now that he’s at the top, but he had to go from a nobody TO the top for the groupies to be relevant. Why WOULD he have groupies, he’s not a jacked firefighter…if the rule is that fireman calendars and jacked strippers at male stripclubs determine what women think is sexy Deen should have been a nobody, just some skinny runt in the background of a few pornos and then ended up working in an office somewhere lol

Other dudes in porn who are taller than him, with bigger dicks, and more jacked muscles, better faces etc have groupies and girls wanting to get in the scene and have great female actors social-proofing them just like him.

So how did this skinny little kid beat the odds in and industry and culture where “being a jacked firefighter hulk is sexy to women”?

’cause he’s tapping into the switches that the proper red pill (VS the reddit TRP “just lift and make money and go monk mode brah”) teaches guys to flip, and those switches aren’t bicep size or bank account size.


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“That’s not my theory, redlight. It’s YaReally’s theory.”

My new theory is that you are retarded. The data you’ve provided so far seems to confirm it.


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“That’s not my theory, redlight. It’s YaReally’s theory.”

My new theory is that you are retarded. The data you’ve provided so far seems to confirm it.


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“For some reason I can’t see @yaReally’s orginal Deen comment. Can someone link it for me?”

There’s a new one in mod too somewhere on this page, watch for it whenever it shows up for more shirtless dudes.


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“For some reason I can’t see @yaReally’s orginal Deen comment. Can someone link it for me?”

There’s a new one in mod too somewhere on this page, watch for it whenever it shows up for more shirtless dudes.


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“Who are the primary consumers of porn, men or women?”

Men aren’t starting these James Deen fanclubs. Men didn’t propel the guy to #1 status. In fact I would suggest that men are the primary WATCHERS of porn, but women are the primary CONSUMERS. Men know how to use xvideo and torrent their porn, they don’t have to sign up for Deen’s website membership and buy his shit…technologically inept women do that.

“but I doubt he’d be a household name if he looked like Jonah Hill naked”

Can’t keep just moving the goalposts. I don’t think you or anyone would disagree that a 5’7″ scrawny guy with the body of a junior high nerd and an average wang is just as much not the fireman calendar ideal as Seth Rogan. You said:

“I find it interesting that an out of shape Vin Diesel is ridiculed for his present physique, or that ‘Dad Bods’ are sardonically described as ‘sexy’ while the over-the-shoulder giggles ensue, but what I don’t expect is for these men to be held as a physical ideal in women’s estimate. There are no photographers, male or female, shooting artful nudes of overweight men, normal “real” men of professional accomplishment, or middle linemen for exclusive calendars. Firemen with rippling abs sell very well, but “real” men? Not so much.”

But James contradicts that in spades. So down the road when we have some fat guy who comes along and does porn and manages to pull off the success Deen has had and we’re on here as I type with my 80yo arthritis fingers “See? Look, I TOLD you! This guy looks exactly like Seth Rogan and now he’s the number 1 male pornstar tons of young girls in their prime are fantasizing about” are you gonna squint at the hologram screen and with your last dying breath say “Well, that’s only a 250lbs guy, what about a 275lbs guy with NO HAIR!! SEE?? I’m riiiiiight” as you float off to haunt Roosh?

Like I don’t have to give you 400 fat guys to prove that “Firemen with rippling abs sell very well, but “real” men? Not so much.” is not just inaccurate (like a James Deen calendar wouldn’t sell), but isn’t even a measure of what’s actually relevant to attraction with women. It’s just some data point. It’s like saying “people only enjoy eating hamburgers and prefer hamburgers over steak because hamburgers sell more than steak and also I know that one brand of steak is outselling hamburgers like crazy but we’ll just ignore that because that steak is only 2oz instead of 12oz when I’m saying that 6oz is the ideal and now saying sure you’ve proved 2oz is selling better but 12oz isn’t so I’m going to stick to my claim”.

The calendar and stripclub stuff ignore so many other factors and are contradicted by so much evidence that it’s silly to use it as any kind of guideline anymore than we’d use “girls wrote they want a Nice Guy on their self-survey” as a guideline.

“Still, what affirms men’s egos more, a relatively average Deen banging top shelf ass, paid to fuck him in a male produced, male consumed erotic fantasy, or a jacked, physically ideal, ripped guy who nevertheless dominates in the bedroom?”

Are you suggesting men are the primary purchasers of Deen’s porn? That men don’t just load up xvideo but actually buy DVDs specifically with James in them? They buy Anal Sluts 1 2 and 3 but skip Anal Sluts 4 because James isn’t in it and they feel inferior to the random dick on-screen because men have to identify with the guy they see in porn?

Or are you suggesting that the guy is living in a mansion and shit rich as balls because there are just huge masses of men buying his porn to show their wives because he’s not quite too good looking so they feel safe, and all these couples are stocking his porn to watch together?

Or are you suggesting that wives are buying this porn ignoring their solipsistic programming that puts their feelings first and thinking “my husband won’t feel insecure with THIS guy there” and aren’t actually turned on by James and are more concerned with the feelings and comfort of their husband than their own orgasms?

Like, I’m not making fun but for any of what you just wrote to be relevant we have to make some pretty wild assumptions to try to fingertip-grip it all together into something logical that produces the results we see.

“Which guy does the average guy identify with better? Which guy gives the average porn consumer hope he too can do the same? Which guy’s eyes does the average porn consuming guy sees himself using?”

How about a self-survey: who here, when they flip open pornhub, is looking for the porn videos with guys they can identify with that don’t make them feel insecure, and who’s looking for hot chicks they wish they were fucking?

Guys aren’t watching porn to go on some journey of self-discovery and identity relating to the dude that’s railing the hot chick, they’re watching porn for the hot chick. That’s why they aren’t starting the Deen fanclubs, the women are.

That all said I appreciate an actual rebuttal/discussion attempt VS a flippant dismissal lol The stuff I’m saying above isn’t meant to be dickish, I’m just pointing out a lot of reality flaws in the logic you’re using in your comment.

At the end of the day I want whatever edge I can get and we want to teach men to fully understand attraction and seduction and female sexuality etc…because of that we can’t just ignore blatant evidence that goes against previously held beliefs because that does a disservice to men in the longrun by putting them on the wrong tracks and encouraging them to focus on the wrong channels, ultimately stunting their progress and potential.

I would be the first one to say “hit the gym” if I didn’t have all these videos and non-firemen pornstars and shit to link, who have female fanbases because of the way they fuck and their subcomms instead of their looks.

Like I say, objectively these girls don’t look at Seth Rogan and go “I want a calendar of Seth hanging over my desk so I can masturbate to him all day”. But if Seth is lasering her, cutting space, leading, dominant, socially proofed, leading other men, is preselected, etc and when he gets alone with her instead of acting like “aw shucks” nervous Seth Rogan he acts like James Deen and fucks the shit out of her, she’s going to say the same shit to him that they say to me “it’s weird, you’re not normally my type, like, at ALL…but there’s just something about you that’s like an addiction…” and he’s going to chuckle to himself as he shoves her head down to his dick for round two.

Again I’m totally open to hearing more counter-points or rebuttals to my reply here, from anyone. If there are flaws in what I’m saying then I want to be aware of them. But so far James is still breaking the fireman calendar logic. Don’t make me dig out more ugly male pornstars with female fanbases that want to fuck them, I’ve seen almost as many dicks today as hoellenhund’s mom.


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“Who are the primary consumers of porn, men or women?”

Men aren’t starting these James Deen fanclubs. Men didn’t propel the guy to #1 status. In fact I would suggest that men are the primary WATCHERS of porn, but women are the primary CONSUMERS. Men know how to use xvideo and torrent their porn, they don’t have to sign up for Deen’s website membership and buy his shit…technologically inept women do that.

“but I doubt he’d be a household name if he looked like Jonah Hill naked”

Can’t keep just moving the goalposts. I don’t think you or anyone would disagree that a 5’7″ scrawny guy with the body of a junior high nerd and an average wang is just as much not the fireman calendar ideal as Seth Rogan. You said:

“I find it interesting that an out of shape Vin Diesel is ridiculed for his present physique, or that ‘Dad Bods’ are sardonically described as ‘sexy’ while the over-the-shoulder giggles ensue, but what I don’t expect is for these men to be held as a physical ideal in women’s estimate. There are no photographers, male or female, shooting artful nudes of overweight men, normal “real” men of professional accomplishment, or middle linemen for exclusive calendars. Firemen with rippling abs sell very well, but “real” men? Not so much.”

But James contradicts that in spades. So down the road when we have some fat guy who comes along and does porn and manages to pull off the success Deen has had and we’re on here as I type with my 80yo arthritis fingers “See? Look, I TOLD you! This guy looks exactly like Seth Rogan and now he’s the number 1 male pornstar tons of young girls in their prime are fantasizing about” are you gonna squint at the hologram screen and with your last dying breath say “Well, that’s only a 250lbs guy, what about a 275lbs guy with NO HAIR!! SEE?? I’m riiiiiight” as you float off to haunt Roosh?

Like I don’t have to give you 400 fat guys to prove that “Firemen with rippling abs sell very well, but “real” men? Not so much.” is not just inaccurate (like a James Deen calendar wouldn’t sell), but isn’t even a measure of what’s actually relevant to attraction with women. It’s just some data point. It’s like saying “people only enjoy eating hamburgers and prefer hamburgers over steak because hamburgers sell more than steak and also I know that one brand of steak is outselling hamburgers like crazy but we’ll just ignore that because that steak is only 2oz instead of 12oz when I’m saying that 6oz is the ideal and now saying sure you’ve proved 2oz is selling better but 12oz isn’t so I’m going to stick to my claim”.

The calendar and stripclub stuff ignore so many other factors and are contradicted by so much evidence that it’s silly to use it as any kind of guideline anymore than we’d use “girls wrote they want a Nice Guy on their self-survey” as a guideline.

“Still, what affirms men’s egos more, a relatively average Deen banging top shelf ass, paid to fuck him in a male produced, male consumed erotic fantasy, or a jacked, physically ideal, ripped guy who nevertheless dominates in the bedroom?”

Are you suggesting men are the primary purchasers of Deen’s porn? That men don’t just load up xvideo but actually buy DVDs specifically with James in them? They buy Anal Sluts 1 2 and 3 but skip Anal Sluts 4 because James isn’t in it and they feel inferior to the random dick on-screen because men have to identify with the guy they see in porn?

Or are you suggesting that the guy is living in a mansion and shit rich as balls because there are just huge masses of men buying his porn to show their wives because he’s not quite too good looking so they feel safe, and all these couples are stocking his porn to watch together?

Or are you suggesting that wives are buying this porn ignoring their solipsistic programming that puts their feelings first and thinking “my husband won’t feel insecure with THIS guy there” and aren’t actually turned on by James and are more concerned with the feelings and comfort of their husband than their own orgasms?

Like, I’m not making fun but for any of what you just wrote to be relevant we have to make some pretty wild assumptions to try to fingertip-grip it all together into something logical that produces the results we see.

“Which guy does the average guy identify with better? Which guy gives the average porn consumer hope he too can do the same? Which guy’s eyes does the average porn consuming guy sees himself using?”

How about a self-survey: who here, when they flip open pornhub, is looking for the porn videos with guys they can identify with that don’t make them feel insecure, and who’s looking for hot chicks they wish they were fucking?

Guys aren’t watching porn to go on some journey of self-discovery and identity relating to the dude that’s railing the hot chick, they’re watching porn for the hot chick. That’s why they aren’t starting the Deen fanclubs, the women are.

That all said I appreciate an actual rebuttal/discussion attempt VS a flippant dismissal lol The stuff I’m saying above isn’t meant to be dickish, I’m just pointing out a lot of reality flaws in the logic you’re using in your comment.

At the end of the day I want whatever edge I can get and we want to teach men to fully understand attraction and seduction and female sexuality etc…because of that we can’t just ignore blatant evidence that goes against previously held beliefs because that does a disservice to men in the longrun by putting them on the wrong tracks and encouraging them to focus on the wrong channels, ultimately stunting their progress and potential.

I would be the first one to say “hit the gym” if I didn’t have all these videos and non-firemen pornstars and shit to link, who have female fanbases because of the way they fuck and their subcomms instead of their looks.

Like I say, objectively these girls don’t look at Seth Rogan and go “I want a calendar of Seth hanging over my desk so I can masturbate to him all day”. But if Seth is lasering her, cutting space, leading, dominant, socially proofed, leading other men, is preselected, etc and when he gets alone with her instead of acting like “aw shucks” nervous Seth Rogan he acts like James Deen and fucks the shit out of her, she’s going to say the same shit to him that they say to me “it’s weird, you’re not normally my type, like, at ALL…but there’s just something about you that’s like an addiction…” and he’s going to chuckle to himself as he shoves her head down to his dick for round two.

Again I’m totally open to hearing more counter-points or rebuttals to my reply here, from anyone. If there are flaws in what I’m saying then I want to be aware of them. But so far James is still breaking the fireman calendar logic. Don’t make me dig out more ugly male pornstars with female fanbases that want to fuck them, I’ve seen almost as many dicks today as hoellenhund’s mom.


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Also on the paying for porn memberships thing to clarify: guys are generally subscribing to sites that either specialize in something specific or have a variety of scenes and shit to them…subscribing to a site that, for men, is just standard “guy fucking a girl” porn that isn’t even as rough as 90% of the stuff they can find on pornhub, and the big draw is that the same dude is in every scene…I just can’t see that being a thing that happens enough to propel him into stardom lol

But like, every subscriber to “japanese bbw who sells her panties and does webcam shows for $24.99/mo” is a dude lol But that’s also more likely a market issue in that those types of sites are niche enough that they won’t really get torrented so they’re harder to find without subscribing. But that same guy probably isn’t walking into a pornstore to drop $50+ on a mainstream DVD he can type into pornhub and watch most of for free just because it stars James Deen who doesn’t make him feel alienated or whatever.

The ones running fansites and signing up to Deen’s website and paying fullprice for expensive as fuck mainstream DVDs in 2015 aren’t dudes even if we watch the majority of porn.

(maybe gay dudes, but then the same can be said for those fireman calendars…and even THEN that opens the can of worms of if the gay community is so notoriously looks-based (since gay dudes have the male visual desire) then how are there bears and twinks and shit that are huge groups that are sexually attractive to those looks-based guys…and then the other can of worms of why are the “man in the relationship” lesbians fat and butch and usually abrasively dominant instead of popping testosterone and getting jacked 6-packs etc etc etc)


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Also on the paying for porn memberships thing to clarify: guys are generally subscribing to sites that either specialize in something specific or have a variety of scenes and shit to them…subscribing to a site that, for men, is just standard “guy fucking a girl” porn that isn’t even as rough as 90% of the stuff they can find on pornhub, and the big draw is that the same dude is in every scene…I just can’t see that being a thing that happens enough to propel him into stardom lol

But like, every subscriber to “japanese bbw who sells her panties and does webcam shows for $24.99/mo” is a dude lol But that’s also more likely a market issue in that those types of sites are niche enough that they won’t really get torrented so they’re harder to find without subscribing. But that same guy probably isn’t walking into a pornstore to drop $50+ on a mainstream DVD he can type into pornhub and watch most of for free just because it stars James Deen who doesn’t make him feel alienated or whatever.

The ones running fansites and signing up to Deen’s website and paying fullprice for expensive as fuck mainstream DVDs in 2015 aren’t dudes even if we watch the majority of porn.

(maybe gay dudes, but then the same can be said for those fireman calendars…and even THEN that opens the can of worms of if the gay community is so notoriously looks-based (since gay dudes have the male visual desire) then how are there bears and twinks and shit that are huge groups that are sexually attractive to those looks-based guys…and then the other can of worms of why are the “man in the relationship” lesbians fat and butch and usually abrasively dominant instead of popping testosterone and getting jacked 6-packs etc etc etc)


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“You have to admit that being in shape and having some muscle definition is dominant,”

Explain Deen. He’s dominant and every chick who watches his shit considers him as such (even TOO dominant for some people), and yet he’s just a skinny midget twerp.

“and is an edge.”

For a guy with no game, looking good is an edge. When you learn game, it becomes irrelevant. The evidence is in the field and in all the infield vids I link for anyone to see. I promote learning game because learning game is a lot faster and easier than getting jacked and game can be used regardless of height, race, wealth, looks, etc, whereas even if you have looks you still need game to get from those initial iois to P in V, so you might as well focus on game.

“When she grabs you, her fingers aren’t sinking into a couple inches of chub, but instead some rock hard larger than average muscles… That’s going to have some psychological impact. That’s an edge. Not an ENORMOUS edge, but still it’s something.”

It’s irrelevant. Like I say, girls feel me up and even convince themselves that I have muscles lol They would never buy a calendar of me naked, but when I’m running game, cutting space, lasers, DHV’ing, preselected, leading, escalating, physically dominating them etc etc none of that matters. Game is the toolbox, looks are just a tool inside the toolbox with about as much value as any other tool in the box like cutting space or laser eye-contact, and less value than a lot of tools like preselection and push/pull etc.


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@Andy
“You have to admit that being in shape and having some muscle definition is dominant,”

Explain Deen. He’s dominant and every chick who watches his shit considers him as such (even TOO dominant for some people), and yet he’s just a skinny midget twerp.

“and is an edge.”

For a guy with no game, looking good is an edge. When you learn game, it becomes irrelevant. The evidence is in the field and in all the infield vids I link for anyone to see. I promote learning game because learning game is a lot faster and easier than getting jacked and game can be used regardless of height, race, wealth, looks, etc, whereas even if you have looks you still need game to get from those initial iois to P in V, so you might as well focus on game.

“When she grabs you, her fingers aren’t sinking into a couple inches of chub, but instead some rock hard larger than average muscles… That’s going to have some psychological impact. That’s an edge. Not an ENORMOUS edge, but still it’s something.”

It’s irrelevant. Like I say, girls feel me up and even convince themselves that I have muscles lol They would never buy a calendar of me naked, but when I’m running game, cutting space, lasers, DHV’ing, preselected, leading, escalating, physically dominating them etc etc none of that matters. Game is the toolbox, looks are just a tool inside the toolbox with about as much value as any other tool in the box like cutting space or laser eye-contact, and less value than a lot of tools like preselection and push/pull etc.


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@Andy
“Irrelevant is a strong word. Have you been jacked with game and chubby with game?”

I haven’t been jacked (though I was in pretty decent shape at one point) but we’ve had guys in the community who have gone back and forth over the years. No real difference except some free initial iois from girls (and usually not the smoking hot ones, usually the average range girls who are just aggressive…the hot 9s and 10s are already surrounded by tall jacked rich dudes in their social circles because 9s and 10s attract those social circles, that shit isn’t special to them, what’s special to them is emotional impact that those guys often don’t give them because those guys are usually running on social conditioning (that’s often WHY they got jacked in the first place, because they’ve adopted society’s value system of “gotta be jacked brah”)).

“Is there a MAXIMUM level of dominant psychological impact where anything beyond that point is moot?”

The point where your dick is in her and she’s coming back to you for more sex seems like a decent cutoff point lol You CAN be jacked and throw her into the air ASD style and shit if you want but it has no real relevance in terms of getting laid.

It’s not that it’ll detract, it’s just that you put me beside a tall jacked dude and in 30 seconds I’ll nullify all his years in the gym pounding the iron to exhaustion as he downs protein shakes and starves himself to get his 6-pack, by simply opening a 2-set of girls with a cold approach, disqualify myself by saying I have a girlfriend to ensure a positive reception, quickly spike their buying temps through the roof with Attract material and now I have more value than that jacked guy because everyone is looking at the guy making two girls explode with good feels and paying zero attention to the jacked guy.

Now if that jacked guy learns game, that’s cool, but 1) it means giving up some gym time for it and I have a huge head start on him because I was talking to girls and learning game while he was lifting dumbbells and picking out tight shirts that show off his biceps and 2) there’ll come a point where he’ll have enough game that he can get fat and it won’t really matter so why not just save himself the time and energy and just learn the game the most efficient way from day 1?


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“Irrelevant is a strong word. Have you been jacked with game and chubby with game?”

I haven’t been jacked (though I was in pretty decent shape at one point) but we’ve had guys in the community who have gone back and forth over the years. No real difference except some free initial iois from girls (and usually not the smoking hot ones, usually the average range girls who are just aggressive…the hot 9s and 10s are already surrounded by tall jacked rich dudes in their social circles because 9s and 10s attract those social circles, that shit isn’t special to them, what’s special to them is emotional impact that those guys often don’t give them because those guys are usually running on social conditioning (that’s often WHY they got jacked in the first place, because they’ve adopted society’s value system of “gotta be jacked brah”)).

“Is there a MAXIMUM level of dominant psychological impact where anything beyond that point is moot?”

The point where your dick is in her and she’s coming back to you for more sex seems like a decent cutoff point lol You CAN be jacked and throw her into the air ASD style and shit if you want but it has no real relevance in terms of getting laid.

It’s not that it’ll detract, it’s just that you put me beside a tall jacked dude and in 30 seconds I’ll nullify all his years in the gym pounding the iron to exhaustion as he downs protein shakes and starves himself to get his 6-pack, by simply opening a 2-set of girls with a cold approach, disqualify myself by saying I have a girlfriend to ensure a positive reception, quickly spike their buying temps through the roof with Attract material and now I have more value than that jacked guy because everyone is looking at the guy making two girls explode with good feels and paying zero attention to the jacked guy.

Now if that jacked guy learns game, that’s cool, but 1) it means giving up some gym time for it and I have a huge head start on him because I was talking to girls and learning game while he was lifting dumbbells and picking out tight shirts that show off his biceps and 2) there’ll come a point where he’ll have enough game that he can get fat and it won’t really matter so why not just save himself the time and energy and just learn the game the most efficient way from day 1?


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“How do you not just give up on trying to explain things to men who simply will not process the facts and analysis you present? It seems many men are ego invested in their Blue Pillness and ignorance.”

I’m patient as fuck lol I was like them at some point too. I have a buddy who’ve been a PUA for YEARS and has only just FINALLY recently realized looks don’t matter when I forced him to come out sick as balls and feeling like shit and looking like garbage with me and some <25yo hottie wanted to take him home lol Guys generally have to EXPERIENCE shit first-hand before they'll finally accept it and often it can take more than once before they'll finally shift their thinking. That's why we tell guys to go out infield because all of this shit goes against their programming and their brain won't accept another man's word, even if they WANT to accept it their brain still won't fully let them until it experiences it and goes "ohhhhh I get it now!!"

"I’m only 5’8″ but I can’t tell you how many times women I’ve been with are surprised when that fact comes out. They tell me “you aren’t short” and most guess my height at 5’11” lol. Just like your muscles."

Yup. When they like you they see everything you have as features and exaggerate it in their heads. You become 10 feet tall and jacked Chad Thundercock to them. It's the same mechanic as when they lose attraction and then only focus on your flaws and now they see you as a 4 foot fat midget lol We accept that girls will do that about SO MANY OTHER THINGS but when it comes to looks we go "NOPE!!!! THAT'S DIFFERENT BRO" because society has so deeply hardwired it into us that those fireman calendars are relevant.

@Liz
"I don’t know that women typically subscribe to porn sites a whole lot."

Definitely not in the past, but in 2015 it's hard to say. Most of Deen's fanbase is teenage girls, and <25yo girls these days have a lot of disposable income, and porn is very widely acceptable with all the "you go grrrl" sexual empowerment women have and shit. Like no one judges a girl for being subscribed to Deen's site in 2015, lots of people would think it's COOL even. So I don't think there are a lot of like, 30+yo women subscribed to porn sites, but the <25yo crowd who knows. Would love to see some legit stats on it.

"I don’t know much about porn (I had no idea who James Deen was until now, I had to look it up)"

How old are you? An 18yo girl with Instagram and Twitter and shit who's following Jezebel and TMZ is going to be more up to date on knowing who James Deen is than a chick who's like, 25+ and not really entrenched in 2015 pop culture.

"but I do know that every time I open my computer and there’s an ad for “dating” sites, or whatnot, it’s always a woman."

Right, that's different, that's offering men potential actual sex/relationships so of course it's men signing up for that stuff. But like, that ad isn't going to be "Subscribe to James Deen dot com and get all the JD cock you can handle" with a pic of James shirtless, bringing in male customers lol

“Bridget is in your neighborhood and she’s horny RIGHT NOW! Look at how hot she is. Come and get it, if you are horny too…”

God, Bridget is such a slut.

"Women are more into the fantasy, not watching naughty pictures"

Yup. And yet, when we get into seduction guys revert to "WOMEN WANT PICTURES OF MY DICK AND MY ABS AND WANT TO FEEL MY PECS" instead of thinking more about the actual experience the woman is getting. Chicks melt for sexual texts that describe doing kinky shit to them like a snippet from an erotic novel WAY more than they get turned on by a dick pic (which they just show to their girlfriends and lol about anyway). We understand this when we look at it objectively and look at how many women bought 50 Shades of Grey…but when it comes down to "but this is ME, having to view myself as sexworthy and competing with other men" we revert back to "I NEED BIGGER MUSCLES AND I'M TOO SHORT AND MY DICK IS SMALL!!!" because looks hits too close to our insecurities that society conditioned into us. Cavemen didn't give a shit about their looks, they just dominated cavechicks and fucked them. Now we have guys who are badasses but are scared to say hello to a pretty girl because they feel too inadequete. Society and consumerism created that shit so we would buy products to allow us to have self-worth. We lol at women who buy the latest shoes to make themselves feel like they have value, as we then down our protein shake and go hit the gym to make ourselves feel like we have value caught in the exact same trap as them now.

"I can tell you in chick lit, the hero is usually in very good shape (this includes even stupid vampire stories, but they have more of a license since they have super powers, and all that)."

I haven't read much of it, but I would bet that they mention the body/muscles FAR less than they mention how he looked at the girl and how his eyes stared into hers like they knew all her secrets and how he pinned her against the wall and how he made her feel scared but comforted at the same time etc etc etc All the subcomms. I doubt many erotic novels are just descriptions of the guy's bodyfat percentage and bicep measurements lol

"I think on the one hand you are right. Women are attracted to dominant men. But they are attracted to men with masculine traits in general, and a guy with a huge spare tire around his abdomen is a signal of estrogen production."

That's my point really. Women will choose the jacked tall guy because they have to weed out "who has alpha traits and who doesn't" quickly…being tall and jacked indicates that PROBABLY that guy will have more alpha traits than the guy who's short and skinny so, in the interest of saving time making quick assessments of people, the tall jacked guy is initially more appealing. But once she evaluates the guys in action, a spare tire guy who's demonstrating alpha subcomms ends up being more attractive than a tall jacked guy who's demonstrating beta subcomms (to the point where girls will actively tool and ignore and be repulsed by those guys despite being good looking rich etc, hang out with ANY hot girl and look at how she treats a ton of those jacked rich orbiters she has, she'll treat them like an AFC because they ARE AFCs under the surface).

Same way we assess a young hot girl in slutty clothes as "probably easy to fuck and fun to fuck" over the old bookworm girl in the turtleneck. It's just a fast way of us guessing "this person PROBABLY has the other traits I'm looking for".

"You’ll never get a romance novel with a bunch of spare tire on the lead guy."

And yet My Secret Garden and the sequel are full of women fucking dogs. Literal ANIMALS. A scary powerful horny dog running on instinct in some chick's fantasy has similar subcomms to a dominant alpha man who's using a chick as a piece of meat to fuck. It's more about the dominance and shit than it is about the physical look.

Again no one is going to buy a calendar of Seth Rogan over a calendar of firemen. But they'll buy a calendar of James Deen over the calendar of firemen. And none of that matters if Seth Rogan has game and understands all this shit and acts like James Deen when he's fucking.

@Andy
"Good points. That was just token resistance mainly. You linked to that australian RSD guy a while back talking about how he actually gets worse results while jacked because like only 3% girls actually think they’re pretty and they don’t like a guy that has his shit together 100% because it makes them feel bad about themselves. Which is so stupid… but that’s human beings I guess."

Yup. There are tooooons of cases of this. Because we pressure-test this shit infield and see what actually holds up. A lot of those smokin hot girls are insecure themselves underneath the hot exterior because THEY know they aren't perfect. There's so many little dynamics at play that people don't think about because they don't delve deep into this and try to explain all the counter-evidence.

They just go "look, my paradigm is that looks matter, so I'm going to ignore all this evidence and just cling to my beliefs" and care more about keeping their belief system than they do about actually understanding the truth.

It's like watching someone drive the long route to their destination even though deep down they KNOW it would be faster to take the other route but they're emotionally attached to this long route or have been filled with a bunch of bullshit beliefs that this long route is "better" or the short route "isn't real" and so they just keep sticking to the long route helpless to change because they're so invested in it lol

Here's Tyler talking about this shit at 1:45 in this, how we look at guys who are succeeding and we look for any excuse to justify why they're succeeding that fits our paradigm and most of the time we pick things that we don't actually have or can't get because then we get to keep our victim mentality or excuse our failures ("I can't get girls because I don't have a big red beard like Tyler", "I can't get girls because I'm only 5'8", etc):


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“How do you not just give up on trying to explain things to men who simply will not process the facts and analysis you present? It seems many men are ego invested in their Blue Pillness and ignorance.”

I’m patient as fuck lol I was like them at some point too. I have a buddy who’ve been a PUA for YEARS and has only just FINALLY recently realized looks don’t matter when I forced him to come out sick as balls and feeling like shit and looking like garbage with me and some <25yo hottie wanted to take him home lol Guys generally have to EXPERIENCE shit first-hand before they'll finally accept it and often it can take more than once before they'll finally shift their thinking. That's why we tell guys to go out infield because all of this shit goes against their programming and their brain won't accept another man's word, even if they WANT to accept it their brain still won't fully let them until it experiences it and goes "ohhhhh I get it now!!"

"I’m only 5’8″ but I can’t tell you how many times women I’ve been with are surprised when that fact comes out. They tell me “you aren’t short” and most guess my height at 5’11” lol. Just like your muscles."

Yup. When they like you they see everything you have as features and exaggerate it in their heads. You become 10 feet tall and jacked Chad Thundercock to them. It's the same mechanic as when they lose attraction and then only focus on your flaws and now they see you as a 4 foot fat midget lol We accept that girls will do that about SO MANY OTHER THINGS but when it comes to looks we go "NOPE!!!! THAT'S DIFFERENT BRO" because society has so deeply hardwired it into us that those fireman calendars are relevant.

@Liz
"I don’t know that women typically subscribe to porn sites a whole lot."

Definitely not in the past, but in 2015 it's hard to say. Most of Deen's fanbase is teenage girls, and <25yo girls these days have a lot of disposable income, and porn is very widely acceptable with all the "you go grrrl" sexual empowerment women have and shit. Like no one judges a girl for being subscribed to Deen's site in 2015, lots of people would think it's COOL even. So I don't think there are a lot of like, 30+yo women subscribed to porn sites, but the <25yo crowd who knows. Would love to see some legit stats on it.

"I don’t know much about porn (I had no idea who James Deen was until now, I had to look it up)"

How old are you? An 18yo girl with Instagram and Twitter and shit who's following Jezebel and TMZ is going to be more up to date on knowing who James Deen is than a chick who's like, 25+ and not really entrenched in 2015 pop culture.

"but I do know that every time I open my computer and there’s an ad for “dating” sites, or whatnot, it’s always a woman."

Right, that's different, that's offering men potential actual sex/relationships so of course it's men signing up for that stuff. But like, that ad isn't going to be "Subscribe to James Deen dot com and get all the JD cock you can handle" with a pic of James shirtless, bringing in male customers lol

“Bridget is in your neighborhood and she’s horny RIGHT NOW! Look at how hot she is. Come and get it, if you are horny too…”

God, Bridget is such a slut.

"Women are more into the fantasy, not watching naughty pictures"

Yup. And yet, when we get into seduction guys revert to "WOMEN WANT PICTURES OF MY DICK AND MY ABS AND WANT TO FEEL MY PECS" instead of thinking more about the actual experience the woman is getting. Chicks melt for sexual texts that describe doing kinky shit to them like a snippet from an erotic novel WAY more than they get turned on by a dick pic (which they just show to their girlfriends and lol about anyway). We understand this when we look at it objectively and look at how many women bought 50 Shades of Grey…but when it comes down to "but this is ME, having to view myself as sexworthy and competing with other men" we revert back to "I NEED BIGGER MUSCLES AND I'M TOO SHORT AND MY DICK IS SMALL!!!" because looks hits too close to our insecurities that society conditioned into us. Cavemen didn't give a shit about their looks, they just dominated cavechicks and fucked them. Now we have guys who are badasses but are scared to say hello to a pretty girl because they feel too inadequete. Society and consumerism created that shit so we would buy products to allow us to have self-worth. We lol at women who buy the latest shoes to make themselves feel like they have value, as we then down our protein shake and go hit the gym to make ourselves feel like we have value caught in the exact same trap as them now.

"I can tell you in chick lit, the hero is usually in very good shape (this includes even stupid vampire stories, but they have more of a license since they have super powers, and all that)."

I haven't read much of it, but I would bet that they mention the body/muscles FAR less than they mention how he looked at the girl and how his eyes stared into hers like they knew all her secrets and how he pinned her against the wall and how he made her feel scared but comforted at the same time etc etc etc All the subcomms. I doubt many erotic novels are just descriptions of the guy's bodyfat percentage and bicep measurements lol

"I think on the one hand you are right. Women are attracted to dominant men. But they are attracted to men with masculine traits in general, and a guy with a huge spare tire around his abdomen is a signal of estrogen production."

That's my point really. Women will choose the jacked tall guy because they have to weed out "who has alpha traits and who doesn't" quickly…being tall and jacked indicates that PROBABLY that guy will have more alpha traits than the guy who's short and skinny so, in the interest of saving time making quick assessments of people, the tall jacked guy is initially more appealing. But once she evaluates the guys in action, a spare tire guy who's demonstrating alpha subcomms ends up being more attractive than a tall jacked guy who's demonstrating beta subcomms (to the point where girls will actively tool and ignore and be repulsed by those guys despite being good looking rich etc, hang out with ANY hot girl and look at how she treats a ton of those jacked rich orbiters she has, she'll treat them like an AFC because they ARE AFCs under the surface).

Same way we assess a young hot girl in slutty clothes as "probably easy to fuck and fun to fuck" over the old bookworm girl in the turtleneck. It's just a fast way of us guessing "this person PROBABLY has the other traits I'm looking for".

"You’ll never get a romance novel with a bunch of spare tire on the lead guy."

And yet My Secret Garden and the sequel are full of women fucking dogs. Literal ANIMALS. A scary powerful horny dog running on instinct in some chick's fantasy has similar subcomms to a dominant alpha man who's using a chick as a piece of meat to fuck. It's more about the dominance and shit than it is about the physical look.

Again no one is going to buy a calendar of Seth Rogan over a calendar of firemen. But they'll buy a calendar of James Deen over the calendar of firemen. And none of that matters if Seth Rogan has game and understands all this shit and acts like James Deen when he's fucking.

@Andy
"Good points. That was just token resistance mainly. You linked to that australian RSD guy a while back talking about how he actually gets worse results while jacked because like only 3% girls actually think they’re pretty and they don’t like a guy that has his shit together 100% because it makes them feel bad about themselves. Which is so stupid… but that’s human beings I guess."

Yup. There are tooooons of cases of this. Because we pressure-test this shit infield and see what actually holds up. A lot of those smokin hot girls are insecure themselves underneath the hot exterior because THEY know they aren't perfect. There's so many little dynamics at play that people don't think about because they don't delve deep into this and try to explain all the counter-evidence.

They just go "look, my paradigm is that looks matter, so I'm going to ignore all this evidence and just cling to my beliefs" and care more about keeping their belief system than they do about actually understanding the truth.

It's like watching someone drive the long route to their destination even though deep down they KNOW it would be faster to take the other route but they're emotionally attached to this long route or have been filled with a bunch of bullshit beliefs that this long route is "better" or the short route "isn't real" and so they just keep sticking to the long route helpless to change because they're so invested in it lol

Here's Tyler talking about this shit at 1:45 in this, how we look at guys who are succeeding and we look for any excuse to justify why they're succeeding that fits our paradigm and most of the time we pick things that we don't actually have or can't get because then we get to keep our victim mentality or excuse our failures ("I can't get girls because I don't have a big red beard like Tyler", "I can't get girls because I'm only 5'8", etc):


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“Deen may be the number 1 search, but look at the physiques of his contemporaries.”

You mean “9. The only search terms that reference men in that top 10 are for “Old Man” and “Daddy.””? Are those pulling up porn with hot calendar firemen?

Or do you mean “11. The four most commonly searched for porn stars by women are female.” where women’s top 10 porn star searches consist of James Deen and Mandingo (giant cock) and…well, there are no other men in the list. Shouldn’t that list be full of jacked firemen dudes?

Or “12. But James Deen is the most popular porn star for women compared to what men are searching for.”. Xander Corvus, the number 2 is a 5’11” James Deen-ish semi-dad-bod:

NSFW (remove the space in brazzers): http://static.braz zers.com/scenes/8153/preview/img/04.jpg

That doesn’t look like a fireman to me.

The number 3 Danny Mountain is buff (god I can’t wait for the bar tonight, this is way too many naked dudes lol), but the next guy Jake Bass…ehh just take my word for it, he’s basically a skinny emo kid, you don’t wanna actually google his pics lol

Like, where are all these jacked firemen girls have throbbing clit-boners over? None of these stats align with what you’re proposing at all. If anything they’re just proving that the firemen aren’t a big deal to women, women would rather watch other women, old men, skinny/dad-bod dudes, etc going by these stats.

“While you’re at it, look at the top searches by niche women. Exclude lesbian content and Solo Male is the number one search. What do you suppose the most common body habitus is for solo male performers?”

I braved it for the sake of science. Pornhub, click Videos, click Solo Male like in their screenshot, sort by Most Viewed and Top Rated. Whole variety of bodies, from skinny to chubby dad-bods, around half are muscular but nothing excessive and there’s like one or two in two pages that are jacked up monsters. The Top Rated dudes are mostly chubby lookin guys. I can’t wrap my head around anyone finding any of this sexy lol I need to bleach my brain and hit a stripclub tonight.

But diving in shows that “the most common body habitus for solo male performers” is not “jacked firemen”. It might have been that back in the 80s or 90s, but it’s 2015. If what you’re saying was accurate the first few pages should all be huge jacked dudes with amazing symmetrical aesthetics because there’s no SCARCITY of guys like that MAKING vids jacking themselves off, so it’s not like there isn’t enough selection for the first 10+ pages to ALL be jacked dudes, and yet most of the top page are guys that aren’t aesthetically pleasing symmetrical faced firemen.

“Before I go on, once again, I’m not saying you’re wrong in your assessments here YaReally, I just don’t think Deen is really the example you’re looking for to illustrate them. The stats and variables don’t support your assertion in this instance.”

They seem to from everything you’ve shown me so far. I’m not sure what you think the stats you linked me show that proves the fireman body is the ideal…if anything all the data you linked shows that the fireman look is a very minor category that comes after skinny dudes and chicks scissoring eachother lol Like, how are you interpreting this as supporting your point?

“Deen may indeed have a mansion, millions and 1300 videos to his name, but so do Xander Corvus and Danny Mountain, as well as Matt McConaughey and Chris Hemsworth. It may be a credit to Deen’s confidence and what he does on camera, but that exception just proves a rule.”

I’m not trying to prove that “girls don’t like guys who look like Chris Hemsworth”. What I’m proving is that the statements you keep making about “There are no photographers, male or female, shooting artful nudes of overweight men, normal “real” men of professional accomplishment, or middle linemen for exclusive calendars. Firemen with rippling abs sell very well, but “real” men? Not so much.” doesn’t hold up. There are FAR too many examples contrary to that to make statements like that when the stats you’re linking me are showing that women are looking up more skinny dudes and dad-bod Xanders and women than firemen with rippling abs.

“To that point, if you were to put Chris Hemsworth and James Deen in Solo Male performances my guess would be that Hemsworth would be the most popularly viewed video.”

My point is that it’s irrelevant to getting laid and irrelevant for men to focus on and even then the stats you’ve linked don’t really back that up. There’s no LACK of jacked dudes in porn, so why aren’t the first 10 pages of PornHub “Solo Male” highest rated and top viewed all Chris Hemsworths?

“The image of a well proportioned, muscularly defined man with classic masculine elements (broad shoulders, V-taper, strong jawline, abs, strong glutes, etc) trigger tingles in women”

Then why aren’t the first 10 pages of PornHub “Solo Male” that? I’m legitimately curious to hear your explanation for that. There’s no lack of vids of jacked dudes with all those features, so why aren’t the first 10 pages filled with them and why aren’t those in women’s top 10 instead of “Old Men” and chick pornstars?

Like what explanation do you have and how do you think that UCLA paper would explain what we’re seeing?

(that paper btw at first skim looks like the standard “show women in a lab a bunch of still pictures of men” shit which is already removing SO many elements of how attraction actually works that I can’t see a point to reading the rest of the paper, might as well look at POF “which profile is looked at more” stats and determine that any guy who isn’t a 6’4″ white male will die a virgin even though those guys can meet those same girls in real life, run game, and fuck them)

“A physically more impressive specimen of a man is, at least perceptually, hindbrain-associated with dominance.”

I don’t disagree, but I would specify that this is only a first impression, not a long-term thing. ie – that same man who acts like a beta chode asking permission for shit won’t still be assosciated with dominance. Her hindbrain is simply using a blink-style judgement call of “this guy is more likely than other guys to have those traits” and hoping it’s right, the same way I might run to a guy in a police uniform for help instead of a guy dressed like a homeless person. It’s not that that police officer can actually help me more than the homeless person, that cop could be someone in a halloween costume or run away scared from trouble I don’t know, but I’ll make the blink-style instant assessment of “this person is more likely to have these traits I’m looking for”.

But it’s irrelevant once the two guys start expressing themselves and the girl sees what traits they ACTUALLY have. That jacked dude can become a chode orbiter and the homeless guy, fat guy, skinny guy, that dominates her and fucks with her emotions etc can make her tingle.

“Whether this is a truth about him or not is irrelevant when it comes to initial arousal cues.”

The problem I have with how you (and other guys who aren’t actively out there competing with these guys to stick your dicks in <25yo pussy) present these things is that you guys attribute "positive attention" as "basically sex". It's the same problem a show like Keys to the VIP has, where the goal of all their games is to get a number and everyone watching cheers on the number close or the positive reactions because they aren't out there infield and don't realize that 90% of those numbers will flake and most of those positive reactions will mean fuck all past that initial moment.

Guys like you see "that good looking guy had a girl check him out and when he said something dumb she let it slide, while she tested that short balding guy way harder" and conclude "so logically, the good looking guy will get laid more than the short balding guy!" which just shows a MASSIVE lack of understanding how shit actually plays out past that initial good/bad impressions. Half the girls I open HATE me at first, shit-test the fuck out of me, then love me when I pass the tests because I've just demonstrated a ton of personality. Meanwhile I can throw girls who are GIVING IOIS to good looking dudes and the VAST majority of the time those guys will chode out and talk themselves out of it or fuck up and miscalibrate or supplicate or make any number of mistakes that ends up with them blown out even though INITIALLY (the part you're focusing on) they got a way better reaction than me.

It's just short-sighted…it's like you're metaphorically entering the club and watching the dynamics but leaving at midnight and basing your conclusions on what you saw up till that point, like "well that girl was into him when she came over and said hello so I don't need to stick around, OBVIOUSLY they'll have sex". All you saw was the initial shit, you can't conclude anything from that. You have to stay till last call where the guys are going head to head competing and that first impression shit is long gone and the girls have seen and assessed the rest of the guy's personality and subcommunications and seen him in action and given him shit-tests and seen what happens.

That's why I say the looks are nice and everything but all they do is get you some nice free gimmes of validation/IOIs/AIs. You need game to take it from there to P in V, and since you can get that validaiton/IOI/AI stuff through MUCH easier means (like DHVs, preselection, even peacocking etc) than trying to get jacked like a fireman calendar, why not be efficient and just focus on game?

"There are no calendars filled with men of James Deen’s physique. There are millions of calendars filled with muscular Firemen."

Again this has no relevance to getting laid. And it doesn't match up with the PornHub stats you linked me, so what's your explanation? Why are the first 10 pages of Solo Male not those firemen? Why is the next guy after James Dean a dad-bod looking guy?

"Why do you suppose this is the preponderance? I would daresay that calendars of this sort collectively outsell porn videos of James Deen. Again, statistics."

Again, what relevance does this have? You said the other day that you got a bunch of invites during your commercial shoot from hot models to party…are you at whatever age you are better looking than every other guy those girls know? Why do they want you to party with them? Were you walking around shirtless on set flexing your fireman build for them? Or were you being a boss leading shit and subcomming alpha traits that girls are attracted to?

Calendar sales are just irrelevant. Like, I don't have to explain girls buying firemen calendars, YOU have to explain girls fucking Tyler, Julien, etc over all the much better looking more jacked dudes in every bar we ever go to.

You keep throwing stuff at me like "prove girls don't want Chris Hemsworth" without ever explaining why girls want James Deen or Tyler or Julien. How many "anomalies" do we need before your belief system finally caves and accepts that what happens in real life doesn't reflect what UCLAs studies and thought experiments and logical extrapolations of initial interactions predict should happen lol

"From their collected data, men tend to prefer porn that seems accessible to them. In other words, porn that they can see themselves engaging in. Not necessarily POV porn, but sexual experiences that seem ‘attainable’ rather than porn that seems like “porn”. In psychological terms men lean towards virtual sexual experiences they believe could happen for them. Thus, the average guy who has a sexual experience that seems within the realm of possibility for the viewer are a strong preference."

Then are you saying that James Deen's fanbase is primarily males who can relate to his scenes, and women are all off looking at firemen porn? Because again that doesn't match the data you linked. James Deen is nowhere in men's top pornstars search list, every name in men's list is women, because guys are looking at the women in porn first and foremost. If the dude is a bit extra jacked or whatever, who cares, the girl and the scenario/kinks are the focus.

If the dude is WAY unrelatable then sure, like a white dude might not be looking up black dudes railing asian chicks, but like, an old guy googling "old guys fucking teens" is looking at the hot teens for deciding what he watches, he's not looking at "well this guy looks similar to me, though he has 4% bodyfat more than me and he has his hair parted to the side while mine is balding, so I'm not going to watch this hot chick get railed".

"As an unknown Deen didn’t get the first job because the producers thought he was heir apparent to Roco Sifreidi or had the potential to be what he is now, as you’re saying, a top actor because his dominance and confidence outweigh his less than ideal physique."

Apparently his first shoot actually went really well and the producer was surprised it was his first time and was impressed and he picked up steam from there. I mean, what are you suggesting that he was just some random dude that fell ass-backwards into it and somewhere around porno number 1237 he finally learned how to fuck and that's when he got popular?

"Again, not saying you’re wrong, but porn is largely produced for men to get off to. That Deen needed to shoot 1300 videos to achieve his status only confirms the rule he is the exception to."

That's just how it goes for dudes. The pay is way shittier for guys and guys are background accessories to the women so one guy will end up fucking a ton of different girls compared to the reverse. Kim Kardashian can make like one sex tape and ride that her entire life. The anonymous guy fucking her has to make a ton to make the same kind of money. Deen seems to have a high sex drive and loves doing porn and according to him he has a "Jewish sensibility of wanting to hoard money" basically, so he's doing way more work than other guys. So that doesn't really have any relevance, you can't extrapolate "he's not attractive because he made a lot of films". If anything if he WASN'T giving women tingles studios wouldn't have been hiring him in his early days because there are a thousand jacked firemen lined up to do porn for them to choose from instead.

"he shouldn’t be able to take women from buff guys, but here he is doing it. The real question is why should that be in anyway unusual?"

It's NOT unusual to guys who go out and understand good game, that's my POINT. But it will BE unusual as long as guys like you keep promoting the socially conditioned belief that men should strive to achieve the firemen calendar body. Until guys like you FINALLY accept that what Tyler's doing ISN'T unusual because your ideas AREN'T accurate, I can quit making these posts lol But because you and other guys refuse to accept all the evidence I dump on here every time this conversation comes up, I have to keep dumping more and more and more because you're continuing to promote theories that send guys down the wrong tracks.

"If women didn’t prefer that body type, if their arousal wasn’t triggered by guys like Chris Evans and was really about how tight your Game is irrespective of your looks, it would stand to reason that evolution would’ve selected out the Chris Evans’s in favor of the Tyler Durdens, right?"

…is this seriously what you're going with? lol I mean, poll to all the guys here: how many of your dads and grand-dads look like Chris Evans? What?? A bunch of NON-Chris Evans reproduced?? If it's really about looking like Chris Evans then it would stand to reason that evolution would've selected out all the guys who look like everyone's dad in favor of the Chris Evans' right?

I mean, why don't we just say "well if airplanes are "fast" then why do we still have CARS huh??" Like, that doesn't even make sense lol Legitimate Red Pill teaching, of the kind that can take a Tyler and get him consistently laid, is EXTREMELY recent. I think you might have to give juuuust a little bit more than a handful of years before, you know, evolution weeds out an entire subsection of the male gender lol

I mean shit, are all these guys in the ghetto or trailer park with 8 baby mamas all jacked badasses? Or are they just lazy poor dudes who don't use condoms and get a bunch of random chicks knocked up? Even if Tyler takes a girl off some Chris Evans dude, that fat fuck rawdogging a bunch of fat chicks is going to out reproduce us lol

We live in an age where guys are repressed and everyone is using condoms and there are massive social legal and financial consequences to getting chicks knocked up and the FI is brainwashing a ton of guys to be terrified to make a move on women. So yes, in the future the guys with game WILL (if they find a way to pop out babies safely lol) outbreed the Chris Evans guys. None of us are going to be around to see it but you can see the seeds of it in all the infield footage I post.

"Thus Tyler is an outstanding anomaly"

Of course he is. How many anomalies do you need before you accept that it's not an anomally and change your views? James Deen is an anomaly, Tyler is an anomaly. Lemme guess: Julien, Jeffy, the rest of the RSD crew, the Simple Pickup guys, Cupid Shmupid, myself, my buddies, most of the PUA community, all the normal looking dudes posting infield footage, etc etc etc they're all just anomalies right? All those stats you linked me that show women are googling James Deen and that other skinny dad-bod dude and Kim Kardashian instead of Chris Hemsworth's, that's all just anomalies right? lol

"in a system that is ruled by good looking men who have for millennia of evolution have regularly, predictably triggered arousal in women."

You mean in a system that 1) didn't have teachable consistent PUA seminar shit where we can bootcamp men and teach them this shit and record infield footage at nightclubs full of hot women instead of little villages in 1412 etc etc, and 2) is FULL of ugly dudes who successfully triggered arousal and bred.

The world has changed, but your viewpoints are stuck in the past. Because you aren't out sticking your dick in <25yo's in 2015. That's not an insult, it's just saying like, I don't make adamant judgements about like, the best kind of scotch to drink because I know the basics of scotch but I'm not sipping it daily and the guys who are sipping a variety of scotches daily telling me my thoughts on drinking scotch are outdated or off from the reality of it are probably guys I should listen to lol

"As I’ve stated before, attraction is not arousal."

And initial attraction is not sex. :)


The Tyranny of Biomechanics

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YaReally
on December 3rd, 2015 at 2:31 pm
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“Deen may be the number 1 search, but look at the physiques of his contemporaries.”

You mean “9. The only search terms that reference men in that top 10 are for “Old Man” and “Daddy.””? Are those pulling up porn with hot calendar firemen?

Or do you mean “11. The four most commonly searched for porn stars by women are female.” where women’s top 10 porn star searches consist of James Deen and Mandingo (giant cock) and…well, there are no other men in the list. Shouldn’t that list be full of jacked firemen dudes?

Or “12. But James Deen is the most popular porn star for women compared to what men are searching for.”. Xander Corvus, the number 2 is a 5’11” James Deen-ish semi-dad-bod:

NSFW (remove the space in brazzers): http://static.braz zers.com/scenes/8153/preview/img/04.jpg

That doesn’t look like a fireman to me.

The number 3 Danny Mountain is buff (god I can’t wait for the bar tonight, this is way too many naked dudes lol), but the next guy Jake Bass…ehh just take my word for it, he’s basically a skinny emo kid, you don’t wanna actually google his pics lol

Like, where are all these jacked firemen girls have throbbing clit-boners over? None of these stats align with what you’re proposing at all. If anything they’re just proving that the firemen aren’t a big deal to women, women would rather watch other women, old men, skinny/dad-bod dudes, etc going by these stats.

“While you’re at it, look at the top searches by niche women. Exclude lesbian content and Solo Male is the number one search. What do you suppose the most common body habitus is for solo male performers?”

I braved it for the sake of science. Pornhub, click Videos, click Solo Male like in their screenshot, sort by Most Viewed and Top Rated. Whole variety of bodies, from skinny to chubby dad-bods, around half are muscular but nothing excessive and there’s like one or two in two pages that are jacked up monsters. The Top Rated dudes are mostly chubby lookin guys. I can’t wrap my head around anyone finding any of this sexy lol I need to bleach my brain and hit a stripclub tonight.

But diving in shows that “the most common body habitus for solo male performers” is not “jacked firemen”. It might have been that back in the 80s or 90s, but it’s 2015. If what you’re saying was accurate the first few pages should all be huge jacked dudes with amazing symmetrical aesthetics because there’s no SCARCITY of guys like that MAKING vids jacking themselves off, so it’s not like there isn’t enough selection for the first 10+ pages to ALL be jacked dudes, and yet most of the top page are guys that aren’t aesthetically pleasing symmetrical faced firemen.

“Before I go on, once again, I’m not saying you’re wrong in your assessments here YaReally, I just don’t think Deen is really the example you’re looking for to illustrate them. The stats and variables don’t support your assertion in this instance.”

They seem to from everything you’ve shown me so far. I’m not sure what you think the stats you linked me show that proves the fireman body is the ideal…if anything all the data you linked shows that the fireman look is a very minor category that comes after skinny dudes and chicks scissoring eachother lol Like, how are you interpreting this as supporting your point?

“Deen may indeed have a mansion, millions and 1300 videos to his name, but so do Xander Corvus and Danny Mountain, as well as Matt McConaughey and Chris Hemsworth. It may be a credit to Deen’s confidence and what he does on camera, but that exception just proves a rule.”

I’m not trying to prove that “girls don’t like guys who look like Chris Hemsworth”. What I’m proving is that the statements you keep making about “There are no photographers, male or female, shooting artful nudes of overweight men, normal “real” men of professional accomplishment, or middle linemen for exclusive calendars. Firemen with rippling abs sell very well, but “real” men? Not so much.” doesn’t hold up. There are FAR too many examples contrary to that to make statements like that when the stats you’re linking me are showing that women are looking up more skinny dudes and dad-bod Xanders and women than firemen with rippling abs.

“To that point, if you were to put Chris Hemsworth and James Deen in Solo Male performances my guess would be that Hemsworth would be the most popularly viewed video.”

My point is that it’s irrelevant to getting laid and irrelevant for men to focus on and even then the stats you’ve linked don’t really back that up. There’s no LACK of jacked dudes in porn, so why aren’t the first 10 pages of PornHub “Solo Male” highest rated and top viewed all Chris Hemsworths?

“The image of a well proportioned, muscularly defined man with classic masculine elements (broad shoulders, V-taper, strong jawline, abs, strong glutes, etc) trigger tingles in women”

Then why aren’t the first 10 pages of PornHub “Solo Male” that? I’m legitimately curious to hear your explanation for that. There’s no lack of vids of jacked dudes with all those features, so why aren’t the first 10 pages filled with them and why aren’t those in women’s top 10 instead of “Old Men” and chick pornstars?

Like what explanation do you have and how do you think that UCLA paper would explain what we’re seeing?

(that paper btw at first skim looks like the standard “show women in a lab a bunch of still pictures of men” shit which is already removing SO many elements of how attraction actually works that I can’t see a point to reading the rest of the paper, might as well look at POF “which profile is looked at more” stats and determine that any guy who isn’t a 6’4″ white male will die a virgin even though those guys can meet those same girls in real life, run game, and fuck them)

“A physically more impressive specimen of a man is, at least perceptually, hindbrain-associated with dominance.”

I don’t disagree, but I would specify that this is only a first impression, not a long-term thing. ie – that same man who acts like a beta chode asking permission for shit won’t still be assosciated with dominance. Her hindbrain is simply using a blink-style judgement call of “this guy is more likely than other guys to have those traits” and hoping it’s right, the same way I might run to a guy in a police uniform for help instead of a guy dressed like a homeless person. It’s not that that police officer can actually help me more than the homeless person, that cop could be someone in a halloween costume or run away scared from trouble I don’t know, but I’ll make the blink-style instant assessment of “this person is more likely to have these traits I’m looking for”.

But it’s irrelevant once the two guys start expressing themselves and the girl sees what traits they ACTUALLY have. That jacked dude can become a chode orbiter and the homeless guy, fat guy, skinny guy, that dominates her and fucks with her emotions etc can make her tingle.

“Whether this is a truth about him or not is irrelevant when it comes to initial arousal cues.”

The problem I have with how you (and other guys who aren’t actively out there competing with these guys to stick your dicks in <25yo pussy) present these things is that you guys attribute "positive attention" as "basically sex". It's the same problem a show like Keys to the VIP has, where the goal of all their games is to get a number and everyone watching cheers on the number close or the positive reactions because they aren't out there infield and don't realize that 90% of those numbers will flake and most of those positive reactions will mean fuck all past that initial moment.

Guys like you see "that good looking guy had a girl check him out and when he said something dumb she let it slide, while she tested that short balding guy way harder" and conclude "so logically, the good looking guy will get laid more than the short balding guy!" which just shows a MASSIVE lack of understanding how shit actually plays out past that initial good/bad impressions. Half the girls I open HATE me at first, shit-test the fuck out of me, then love me when I pass the tests because I've just demonstrated a ton of personality. Meanwhile I can throw girls who are GIVING IOIS to good looking dudes and the VAST majority of the time those guys will chode out and talk themselves out of it or fuck up and miscalibrate or supplicate or make any number of mistakes that ends up with them blown out even though INITIALLY (the part you're focusing on) they got a way better reaction than me.

It's just short-sighted…it's like you're metaphorically entering the club and watching the dynamics but leaving at midnight and basing your conclusions on what you saw up till that point, like "well that girl was into him when she came over and said hello so I don't need to stick around, OBVIOUSLY they'll have sex". All you saw was the initial shit, you can't conclude anything from that. You have to stay till last call where the guys are going head to head competing and that first impression shit is long gone and the girls have seen and assessed the rest of the guy's personality and subcommunications and seen him in action and given him shit-tests and seen what happens.

That's why I say the looks are nice and everything but all they do is get you some nice free gimmes of validation/IOIs/AIs. You need game to take it from there to P in V, and since you can get that validaiton/IOI/AI stuff through MUCH easier means (like DHVs, preselection, even peacocking etc) than trying to get jacked like a fireman calendar, why not be efficient and just focus on game?

"There are no calendars filled with men of James Deen’s physique. There are millions of calendars filled with muscular Firemen."

Again this has no relevance to getting laid. And it doesn't match up with the PornHub stats you linked me, so what's your explanation? Why are the first 10 pages of Solo Male not those firemen? Why is the next guy after James Dean a dad-bod looking guy?

"Why do you suppose this is the preponderance? I would daresay that calendars of this sort collectively outsell porn videos of James Deen. Again, statistics."

Again, what relevance does this have? You said the other day that you got a bunch of invites during your commercial shoot from hot models to party…are you at whatever age you are better looking than every other guy those girls know? Why do they want you to party with them? Were you walking around shirtless on set flexing your fireman build for them? Or were you being a boss leading shit and subcomming alpha traits that girls are attracted to?

Calendar sales are just irrelevant. Like, I don't have to explain girls buying firemen calendars, YOU have to explain girls fucking Tyler, Julien, etc over all the much better looking more jacked dudes in every bar we ever go to.

You keep throwing stuff at me like "prove girls don't want Chris Hemsworth" without ever explaining why girls want James Deen or Tyler or Julien. How many "anomalies" do we need before your belief system finally caves and accepts that what happens in real life doesn't reflect what UCLAs studies and thought experiments and logical extrapolations of initial interactions predict should happen lol

"From their collected data, men tend to prefer porn that seems accessible to them. In other words, porn that they can see themselves engaging in. Not necessarily POV porn, but sexual experiences that seem ‘attainable’ rather than porn that seems like “porn”. In psychological terms men lean towards virtual sexual experiences they believe could happen for them. Thus, the average guy who has a sexual experience that seems within the realm of possibility for the viewer are a strong preference."

Then are you saying that James Deen's fanbase is primarily males who can relate to his scenes, and women are all off looking at firemen porn? Because again that doesn't match the data you linked. James Deen is nowhere in men's top pornstars search list, every name in men's list is women, because guys are looking at the women in porn first and foremost. If the dude is a bit extra jacked or whatever, who cares, the girl and the scenario/kinks are the focus.

If the dude is WAY unrelatable then sure, like a white dude might not be looking up black dudes railing asian chicks, but like, an old guy googling "old guys fucking teens" is looking at the hot teens for deciding what he watches, he's not looking at "well this guy looks similar to me, though he has 4% bodyfat more than me and he has his hair parted to the side while mine is balding, so I'm not going to watch this hot chick get railed".

"As an unknown Deen didn’t get the first job because the producers thought he was heir apparent to Roco Sifreidi or had the potential to be what he is now, as you’re saying, a top actor because his dominance and confidence outweigh his less than ideal physique."

Apparently his first shoot actually went really well and the producer was surprised it was his first time and was impressed and he picked up steam from there. I mean, what are you suggesting that he was just some random dude that fell ass-backwards into it and somewhere around porno number 1237 he finally learned how to fuck and that's when he got popular?

"Again, not saying you’re wrong, but porn is largely produced for men to get off to. That Deen needed to shoot 1300 videos to achieve his status only confirms the rule he is the exception to."

That's just how it goes for dudes. The pay is way shittier for guys and guys are background accessories to the women so one guy will end up fucking a ton of different girls compared to the reverse. Kim Kardashian can make like one sex tape and ride that her entire life. The anonymous guy fucking her has to make a ton to make the same kind of money. Deen seems to have a high sex drive and loves doing porn and according to him he has a "Jewish sensibility of wanting to hoard money" basically, so he's doing way more work than other guys. So that doesn't really have any relevance, you can't extrapolate "he's not attractive because he made a lot of films". If anything if he WASN'T giving women tingles studios wouldn't have been hiring him in his early days because there are a thousand jacked firemen lined up to do porn for them to choose from instead.

"he shouldn’t be able to take women from buff guys, but here he is doing it. The real question is why should that be in anyway unusual?"

It's NOT unusual to guys who go out and understand good game, that's my POINT. But it will BE unusual as long as guys like you keep promoting the socially conditioned belief that men should strive to achieve the firemen calendar body. Until guys like you FINALLY accept that what Tyler's doing ISN'T unusual because your ideas AREN'T accurate, I can quit making these posts lol But because you and other guys refuse to accept all the evidence I dump on here every time this conversation comes up, I have to keep dumping more and more and more because you're continuing to promote theories that send guys down the wrong tracks.

"If women didn’t prefer that body type, if their arousal wasn’t triggered by guys like Chris Evans and was really about how tight your Game is irrespective of your looks, it would stand to reason that evolution would’ve selected out the Chris Evans’s in favor of the Tyler Durdens, right?"

…is this seriously what you're going with? lol I mean, poll to all the guys here: how many of your dads and grand-dads look like Chris Evans? What?? A bunch of NON-Chris Evans reproduced?? If it's really about looking like Chris Evans then it would stand to reason that evolution would've selected out all the guys who look like everyone's dad in favor of the Chris Evans' right?

I mean, why don't we just say "well if airplanes are "fast" then why do we still have CARS huh??" Like, that doesn't even make sense lol Legitimate Red Pill teaching, of the kind that can take a Tyler and get him consistently laid, is EXTREMELY recent. I think you might have to give juuuust a little bit more than a handful of years before, you know, evolution weeds out an entire subsection of the male gender lol

I mean shit, are all these guys in the ghetto or trailer park with 8 baby mamas all jacked badasses? Or are they just lazy poor dudes who don't use condoms and get a bunch of random chicks knocked up? Even if Tyler takes a girl off some Chris Evans dude, that fat fuck rawdogging a bunch of fat chicks is going to out reproduce us lol

We live in an age where guys are repressed and everyone is using condoms and there are massive social legal and financial consequences to getting chicks knocked up and the FI is brainwashing a ton of guys to be terrified to make a move on women. So yes, in the future the guys with game WILL (if they find a way to pop out babies safely lol) outbreed the Chris Evans guys. None of us are going to be around to see it but you can see the seeds of it in all the infield footage I post.

"Thus Tyler is an outstanding anomaly"

Of course he is. How many anomalies do you need before you accept that it's not an anomally and change your views? James Deen is an anomaly, Tyler is an anomaly. Lemme guess: Julien, Jeffy, the rest of the RSD crew, the Simple Pickup guys, Cupid Shmupid, myself, my buddies, most of the PUA community, all the normal looking dudes posting infield footage, etc etc etc they're all just anomalies right? All those stats you linked me that show women are googling James Deen and that other skinny dad-bod dude and Kim Kardashian instead of Chris Hemsworth's, that's all just anomalies right? lol

"in a system that is ruled by good looking men who have for millennia of evolution have regularly, predictably triggered arousal in women."

You mean in a system that 1) didn't have teachable consistent PUA seminar shit where we can bootcamp men and teach them this shit and record infield footage at nightclubs full of hot women instead of little villages in 1412 etc etc, and 2) is FULL of ugly dudes who successfully triggered arousal and bred.

The world has changed, but your viewpoints are stuck in the past. Because you aren't out sticking your dick in <25yo's in 2015. That's not an insult, it's just saying like, I don't make adamant judgements about like, the best kind of scotch to drink because I know the basics of scotch but I'm not sipping it daily and the guys who are sipping a variety of scotches daily telling me my thoughts on drinking scotch are outdated or off from the reality of it are probably guys I should listen to lol

"As I’ve stated before, attraction is not arousal."

And initial attraction is not sex. πŸ™‚


The Tyranny of Biomechanics

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YaReally
on December 3rd, 2015 at 2:54 pm
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“I watched the first 4 and half minutes of the Tyler clip you provided above and I couldn’t bring myself to watch anymore, – I don’t like that guy at all. He seems so try hard, faggy, like a gay guy on speed, just into pressing the right buttons, acting like playing at being daddy, except he would suck as a real daddy, because he is so girly. It’s so weird I just don’t get it at all. And I can see it seems to work and then I start thinking – yuk – that girl is as dumb as a doornail – where the fuck is her agency? – this is all just stupid scripts playing out shallow-like in her mind? And Tyler is the shallow-script-overwriter?”

lol ok, so hate him. You are right, everyone is stupid and shitty and lame. Now what?

“This PUA thing is all weird to me. For me sex never required an ongoing script, it was just – “fuck this feels good, I’m really liking feeling how much this feels good for you, makes it feel more good for me”, and just riffing on that.”

Okay, so do that then? If you’re getting results that you’re happy with then don’t change it up.

You don’t have to act like Tyler. There are other guys who aren’t as faggy hyper as Tyler. You might resonate more with a guy like Jeffy who’s less weird:

Or here’s a low energy guy:

And a breakdown of very low energy game concepts:

And here’s an even faggier guy than Tyler lol:

And a middle-ground:

“I dunno – I’m pretty sure when I get back in I can’t be doin that Tyler thing. I’m going to have to find my own way.”

You have two choices. You can hate on all these guys and wing it out there, or you can learn from what they teach and adapt the concepts they’re teaching to be congruent to your own personal style and energy. Be like Bruce Lee: absorb what is useful, discard what is not.

“(ps – I don’t think what YaReally otherwise posts seems gay though)”

All I’m posting is what I’ve learned from guys like Tyler lol. I don’t look like Tyler at all infield, my vibe is much more chill and not flamboyantly gay like him. But I’m using the same underlying concepts he’s using and I understand the structure of how game works.


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“I watched the first 4 and half minutes of the Tyler clip you provided above and I couldn’t bring myself to watch anymore, – I don’t like that guy at all. He seems so try hard, faggy, like a gay guy on speed, just into pressing the right buttons, acting like playing at being daddy, except he would suck as a real daddy, because he is so girly. It’s so weird I just don’t get it at all. And I can see it seems to work and then I start thinking – yuk – that girl is as dumb as a doornail – where the fuck is her agency? – this is all just stupid scripts playing out shallow-like in her mind? And Tyler is the shallow-script-overwriter?”

lol ok, so hate him. You are right, everyone is stupid and shitty and lame. Now what?

“This PUA thing is all weird to me. For me sex never required an ongoing script, it was just – “fuck this feels good, I’m really liking feeling how much this feels good for you, makes it feel more good for me”, and just riffing on that.”

Okay, so do that then? If you’re getting results that you’re happy with then don’t change it up.

You don’t have to act like Tyler. There are other guys who aren’t as faggy hyper as Tyler. You might resonate more with a guy like Jeffy who’s less weird:

Or here’s a low energy guy:

And a breakdown of very low energy game concepts:

And here’s an even faggier guy than Tyler lol:

And a middle-ground:

“I dunno – I’m pretty sure when I get back in I can’t be doin that Tyler thing. I’m going to have to find my own way.”

You have two choices. You can hate on all these guys and wing it out there, or you can learn from what they teach and adapt the concepts they’re teaching to be congruent to your own personal style and energy. Be like Bruce Lee: absorb what is useful, discard what is not.

“(ps – I don’t think what YaReally otherwise posts seems gay though)”

All I’m posting is what I’ve learned from guys like Tyler lol. I don’t look like Tyler at all infield, my vibe is much more chill and not flamboyantly gay like him. But I’m using the same underlying concepts he’s using and I understand the structure of how game works.


The Tyranny of Biomechanics

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YaReally
on December 3rd, 2015 at 4:54 pm
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@newlyaloof
No idea lol I don’t pay attention to names in porn. But next time I’m porning it up I’ll look up Kelly Madison lol

Porn is great for picking up bits and pieces and seeing a lot of dynamcis in action. People who are like “uhhh porn is all fake you know and everyone looks unrealistic and perfect” it’s like, you clearly haven’t looked at porn since the 90s lol “Porn” now is a ton of amateur shit, a couple picks up a camera and films some shit, some girl gets herself off on her webcam in a library, tons of real orgasms and actual fucking instead of “pose for the camera and fake it” stuff these days with all sorts of body types.

I have a buddy who can’t watch porn because he has so many negative assosciations to it from when he was a frustrated teenager ashamed of looking up porn (strict non-white family where sex was “bad”). Like when I don’t get laid I’m like whatever and throw up some porn, but he can’t do it because it makes him too depressed. I legitimately feel bad for him. Go social conditioning!

“Every time you do your girl/wife, you must have intense passion and energy as if it’s the last pussy you will ever get. This guy radiates that feeling, and the clips you shared of Deen appear to show he is the same way.”

Chicks can tell when you like sex. Part of why I get good reception is that I LOVE sex. All of it, not just the P in V. I’ll block out an entire evening with a chick and spend hours just on foreplay and teasing and exploring her kinks and shit (but then I’ll mix it up with passionate quickies, romantic sex, rough crazy fucked up sex, etc). Girls can tell I love what we do together…a LOT of guys have fucking weird hangups about sex and lots of shame around it and like, don’t let their girlfriend use toys or don’t calibrate to what she’s into and just focus 100% on some move that worked on their ex from highschool that they just use on every girl now, they don’t like look up new techniques or watch porn for ideas or fuck OTHER girls to see what OTHER girls like and try it out on their regular girl, or god, so many complaints I’ve heard from girls about other guys and sex.

But part of why I love sex is that I have the pickup skillset to enjoy a variety of girls and select and screen them for qualities and features and sexual compatibility/chemistry that I like. If I was dating Janice the 30yo HB6 from accounting who dresses in frumpy clothes and doesn’t give head, but I have no other options because I don’t know how to pickup girls, then maybe I wouldn’t enjoy sex as much lol It’s pretty hard to NOT enjoy it when you can rotate out girls coming over all dolled up for you to fuck. Like, what’s not to love about that? lol

@Blaximus
“I get that guys are trying hard to get sex/laid, but under no circumstance should we cosign getting entangled in young chick bullshit.”

lol social media is great for celebs. But the average dude is better off cold-approaching…she won’t check her phone if you’re in her face making an emotional impact on her and giving her tingles. I don’t have any social media at all and I make fun of girls who do and purposely use the lingo wrong and shit and then tell them I’m old and don’t understand kids these days, it’s all funny shit to me.

@Forge the Sky
Try complimenting them on their other attributes instead of their looks. Don’t try to boost their self esteem about something they’re insecure about, shift gears and pick something they’re proud of where they’ll accept your compliments. If you had a small dick and a girl was like “no it’s a cute dick I like that it’s so tiny” you’d be thinking “plz just stop talking about it” and if she was like “WOW it’s SOOOOO huge!!!!” you’d be like “I know you’re lying plz stop” But if you whipped out your tiny dick and she was like “wow you’re so dominant the way you did that omg that was hot how you just whipped it out like that” you’d be like “aw ya I’m a boss”.

@Andy
“ANYWAY, so I get bored easily and every once in a while I’ll kind of intentionally “miscalibrate” and skip a few steps. The reaction is usually what you’d expect, and I stop… But I don’t want to stop because I’m a sick motherfucker(Like most guys… right? Right?) So, I guess my question is… In your experience is a linear escalation always necessary or is it possible kind of give that /I/I/I/I/ of emotions and smooth it over afterwards within the context of an “overall” consent? Or is the miscalibration kind of it’s own more advanced calibration?? Thoughts?”

You’re playing a pretty dangerous game if you’re just winging it. If it’s your wife or LTR partner you can probably miscalibrate and smooth it over, but with random girls you’re rolling some dice lol I’m super calibrated with anything rough and test the waters before I push hard. Like I don’t just chokeslam a girl, the lead-up to that is that while we’re making out I drag my slowly to her neck and rest it there without squeezing to see how she reacts (some chicks can have crazy triggers from shit like that if they were raped or something in the past) and if she moans like she wants more or she’s neutral I’ll squeeze a bit as I kiss to see how she reacts (but if her body tenses up a bit I’ll back away and just do normal sensual kissing and not go near her neck again). And I’ll tilt her head back using my hand on her neck under her jaw as I nibble her neck and listen for if she moans to let me know she’s into it, or if she’s neutral, feel what her body does if it tenses up or is into it etc and if she’s not into it I’ll back off and stick to whatever she was comfortable with before…but if she’s into it now I know “ok she likes to be choked”. When we’re intially making out I’ll have done a lot of pinning her against the wall and stuff which like 99% of chicks seem to love. So that tells me “chokeslam is a go!” and I’ll lead things towards us being near the foot of my bed and then suddenly slip the hand up to her neck and take her down to the bed and climb on her to makeout.

But the reason she enjoys it and I don’t get Buyers Remorse from it is because I did all that calibration leading up to it to make sure it was cool. I could have just ASKED her “do you like choking?” but this way is fun to me and feels sexier to her that I “just get it” and all my little microcalibrations actually subcommunicate to her “you can trust me, even if I’m rough with you I’ll back off when you’re uncomfortable because I’m paying attention to what your body is doing”.

I’ll usually take it easy the first time (hair pulling and light choking spanking etc, just the classic stuff that most girls are into) since I don’t know her well, but after we bang I let her cuddle up to me in the post-orgasms afterglow and poke her brain a bit with stuff like “what was your favorite part?” and “was there anything that went too far, I noticed you kind of froze up when I–” and “careful, next time I might go harder with the–” etc and get some communication/dialog going between us to better feel out her kinks and figure out where her boundaries are and what she’s curious to explore next time etc. and then next time I’ll plan out a handful of vague ideas (“she loves public stuff, so I’ll tell her to wear a skirt and then meet her in the lobby and take her to the mailroom area and hike it up as we make out…” etc) and escalate the whole thing into something that’s pushing the edge of her boundaries. But again it’s all very calibrated.

You CAN just like, do shit and then smooth it over, in terms of attraction it can be hot, but in 2015 with the false rape accusation culture we have and everything I wouldn’t chance it. Plus I personally view it like I want her to have an amazing time, it’s not just me getting off, I enjoy getting her off and bringing her fantasies to life because I know most guys won’t do that with her because they barely accept that girls even LIKE sex let alone give a shit about blowing her mind in bed lol So I like to calibrate and keep things on the edge of her comfort zones without steamrolling past them and causing shitty feelings. The reality is this isn’t a movie, there can be bad consequences for not calibrating.

@Blaximus
“I’d love to take them to a few NY clubs and see if they could pull anything at all off with their approaches. Lol.”

Lol I’m sure they’d do alright. They literally run bootcamps in NY regularly where they go do this stuff. If you watch enough of their infield footage you’ll see stuff in NY.

Here, I grabbed a vid for you even:

infield footage at 28 seconds in, 3:45 in (not sure if that’s NY), 11:46 (again don’t know if NY), and 25:11 Tyler and Julien drag a random girl to make out with both of them then make out with another random girl (again no idea if this is NY, you’re the pro look for landmarks lol)

Here’s that low energy guy I linked in NYC:

Paul Janka in NYC:

Every guy thinks “that pickup stuff might work on those X-City girls but that won’t work in MY city at MY bars” lol We make fun of it because it’s like one of the number one things guys who don’t understand PUA think.

Here’s Alex’s travel vid from a few years back, these guys travel the WORLD teaching this stuff and taking guys infield and picking up girls lol:

Here’s super effeminate Max making fun of that “I’d like to see them try that in MY city” stuff because we hear it SO MUCH:

“Oh yeah guys, hit the gym. Not for chicks, for your life.”

This I agree with. Do it for yourself and to have cardio to fuck. But don’t obsess over it and focus on game ’cause game is what’s gonna get your dick wet.

@Wild Man
“Like I don’t see any reason to try too hard – seems sort of beneath me.”

If that’s working out for you, great, keep it up. If it’s not then start looking at material like the low energy guys I’m linking tons of free content of and see what you can take from them.

Here Julien is talking directly to you, the divorced older guy discovering this game shit, because your attitude is very common (“that’s not me, maybe some dumb youngsters might apply to this because they’re not as old and mature as I am”):

@Bromeo
“Lol yareally loves dick riding Tyler, it’s funny how there are no jacked pua’s, they are all skinny metro guys. Jacked guys don’t rely on game nearly as much as because of pure biological attraction.”

100% accurate.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147345103

Here’s some infield of tall jacked dudes effortlessly taking a girl off Tyler at 7:03 in this vid cuz jacked guys don’t need game with that pure biological attraction:

@Andy
“Yeah, or maybe it’s just bad business because if people see a 6’4″ football player with game pulling chicks they’ll just throw up their hands in disgust, give up and retreat back to their computer to jerk off to porn for the rest of their lives. lol, how are we still talking about this?”

lol there are jacked dudes in the community.

@scribblerg
“I looked at it I found that what was really going on that it pissed me off that it worked.”
:) Yup.

“Notice how low key he is but still, he works her hard.”

Thing is we can link a shitton of vids. I can link a million fucking vids of guys doing this stuff and doing it in different styles with different physiques literally around the entire WORLD on all sorts of types of girls in all sorts of environments, times of day, locations, looking/dressed in various ways, etc, etc

But guys want to hold onto their world view so they’ll ignore all of it. Most of them probably won’t even WATCH half these vids. I’d bet that of the million vids I’ve linked over the years half of them don’t even get clicked because guys don’t WANT to see this stuff work and fuck with their paradigms. Like I know Bromeo isn’t going to click that video and Blaximus isn’t going to look at that NYC infield and let me know if those infield clips are from NYC etc But the lurkers click and silently learn in the shadows as they rally themselves up to go out this weekend and talk to girls lol

@Blaximus
“But it’s undeniable that a ” jacked ” dude can have many more opportunities presented to him if he choses to capitalize on all of that IOI/attention. Zero doubt, The key word is ” Opportunities “.”

Yup. This is what I’ve said from day 1. Looks will definitely get you more attention, but it’s GAME that converts those opportunities to LAYS. And it’s LACK of game that will fuck those opportunities up and make them useless and even EXTRA frustrating because everyone in society expects you to be successful but you don’t understand women and can’t figure out why you end up on the MISC joining the Forever Alone crew.

“Your bod can dessert you with amazing speed if you’ve followed an intense workout regimen and then suddenly stop and let your diet go all to hell.”

I tell girls I’m on a 30 year dirty bulk lol


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on December 3rd, 2015 at 4:54 pm
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@newlyaloof
No idea lol I don’t pay attention to names in porn. But next time I’m porning it up I’ll look up Kelly Madison lol

Porn is great for picking up bits and pieces and seeing a lot of dynamcis in action. People who are like “uhhh porn is all fake you know and everyone looks unrealistic and perfect” it’s like, you clearly haven’t looked at porn since the 90s lol “Porn” now is a ton of amateur shit, a couple picks up a camera and films some shit, some girl gets herself off on her webcam in a library, tons of real orgasms and actual fucking instead of “pose for the camera and fake it” stuff these days with all sorts of body types.

I have a buddy who can’t watch porn because he has so many negative assosciations to it from when he was a frustrated teenager ashamed of looking up porn (strict non-white family where sex was “bad”). Like when I don’t get laid I’m like whatever and throw up some porn, but he can’t do it because it makes him too depressed. I legitimately feel bad for him. Go social conditioning!

“Every time you do your girl/wife, you must have intense passion and energy as if it’s the last pussy you will ever get. This guy radiates that feeling, and the clips you shared of Deen appear to show he is the same way.”

Chicks can tell when you like sex. Part of why I get good reception is that I LOVE sex. All of it, not just the P in V. I’ll block out an entire evening with a chick and spend hours just on foreplay and teasing and exploring her kinks and shit (but then I’ll mix it up with passionate quickies, romantic sex, rough crazy fucked up sex, etc). Girls can tell I love what we do together…a LOT of guys have fucking weird hangups about sex and lots of shame around it and like, don’t let their girlfriend use toys or don’t calibrate to what she’s into and just focus 100% on some move that worked on their ex from highschool that they just use on every girl now, they don’t like look up new techniques or watch porn for ideas or fuck OTHER girls to see what OTHER girls like and try it out on their regular girl, or god, so many complaints I’ve heard from girls about other guys and sex.

But part of why I love sex is that I have the pickup skillset to enjoy a variety of girls and select and screen them for qualities and features and sexual compatibility/chemistry that I like. If I was dating Janice the 30yo HB6 from accounting who dresses in frumpy clothes and doesn’t give head, but I have no other options because I don’t know how to pickup girls, then maybe I wouldn’t enjoy sex as much lol It’s pretty hard to NOT enjoy it when you can rotate out girls coming over all dolled up for you to fuck. Like, what’s not to love about that? lol

@Blaximus
“I get that guys are trying hard to get sex/laid, but under no circumstance should we cosign getting entangled in young chick bullshit.”

lol social media is great for celebs. But the average dude is better off cold-approaching…she won’t check her phone if you’re in her face making an emotional impact on her and giving her tingles. I don’t have any social media at all and I make fun of girls who do and purposely use the lingo wrong and shit and then tell them I’m old and don’t understand kids these days, it’s all funny shit to me.

@Forge the Sky
Try complimenting them on their other attributes instead of their looks. Don’t try to boost their self esteem about something they’re insecure about, shift gears and pick something they’re proud of where they’ll accept your compliments. If you had a small dick and a girl was like “no it’s a cute dick I like that it’s so tiny” you’d be thinking “plz just stop talking about it” and if she was like “WOW it’s SOOOOO huge!!!!” you’d be like “I know you’re lying plz stop” But if you whipped out your tiny dick and she was like “wow you’re so dominant the way you did that omg that was hot how you just whipped it out like that” you’d be like “aw ya I’m a boss”.

@Andy
“ANYWAY, so I get bored easily and every once in a while I’ll kind of intentionally “miscalibrate” and skip a few steps. The reaction is usually what you’d expect, and I stop… But I don’t want to stop because I’m a sick motherfucker(Like most guys… right? Right?) So, I guess my question is… In your experience is a linear escalation always necessary or is it possible kind of give that /I/I/I/I/ of emotions and smooth it over afterwards within the context of an “overall” consent? Or is the miscalibration kind of it’s own more advanced calibration?? Thoughts?”

You’re playing a pretty dangerous game if you’re just winging it. If it’s your wife or LTR partner you can probably miscalibrate and smooth it over, but with random girls you’re rolling some dice lol I’m super calibrated with anything rough and test the waters before I push hard. Like I don’t just chokeslam a girl, the lead-up to that is that while we’re making out I drag my slowly to her neck and rest it there without squeezing to see how she reacts (some chicks can have crazy triggers from shit like that if they were raped or something in the past) and if she moans like she wants more or she’s neutral I’ll squeeze a bit as I kiss to see how she reacts (but if her body tenses up a bit I’ll back away and just do normal sensual kissing and not go near her neck again). And I’ll tilt her head back using my hand on her neck under her jaw as I nibble her neck and listen for if she moans to let me know she’s into it, or if she’s neutral, feel what her body does if it tenses up or is into it etc and if she’s not into it I’ll back off and stick to whatever she was comfortable with before…but if she’s into it now I know “ok she likes to be choked”. When we’re intially making out I’ll have done a lot of pinning her against the wall and stuff which like 99% of chicks seem to love. So that tells me “chokeslam is a go!” and I’ll lead things towards us being near the foot of my bed and then suddenly slip the hand up to her neck and take her down to the bed and climb on her to makeout.

But the reason she enjoys it and I don’t get Buyers Remorse from it is because I did all that calibration leading up to it to make sure it was cool. I could have just ASKED her “do you like choking?” but this way is fun to me and feels sexier to her that I “just get it” and all my little microcalibrations actually subcommunicate to her “you can trust me, even if I’m rough with you I’ll back off when you’re uncomfortable because I’m paying attention to what your body is doing”.

I’ll usually take it easy the first time (hair pulling and light choking spanking etc, just the classic stuff that most girls are into) since I don’t know her well, but after we bang I let her cuddle up to me in the post-orgasms afterglow and poke her brain a bit with stuff like “what was your favorite part?” and “was there anything that went too far, I noticed you kind of froze up when I–” and “careful, next time I might go harder with the–” etc and get some communication/dialog going between us to better feel out her kinks and figure out where her boundaries are and what she’s curious to explore next time etc. and then next time I’ll plan out a handful of vague ideas (“she loves public stuff, so I’ll tell her to wear a skirt and then meet her in the lobby and take her to the mailroom area and hike it up as we make out…” etc) and escalate the whole thing into something that’s pushing the edge of her boundaries. But again it’s all very calibrated.

You CAN just like, do shit and then smooth it over, in terms of attraction it can be hot, but in 2015 with the false rape accusation culture we have and everything I wouldn’t chance it. Plus I personally view it like I want her to have an amazing time, it’s not just me getting off, I enjoy getting her off and bringing her fantasies to life because I know most guys won’t do that with her because they barely accept that girls even LIKE sex let alone give a shit about blowing her mind in bed lol So I like to calibrate and keep things on the edge of her comfort zones without steamrolling past them and causing shitty feelings. The reality is this isn’t a movie, there can be bad consequences for not calibrating.

@Blaximus
“I’d love to take them to a few NY clubs and see if they could pull anything at all off with their approaches. Lol.”

Lol I’m sure they’d do alright. They literally run bootcamps in NY regularly where they go do this stuff. If you watch enough of their infield footage you’ll see stuff in NY.

Here, I grabbed a vid for you even:

infield footage at 28 seconds in, 3:45 in (not sure if that’s NY), 11:46 (again don’t know if NY), and 25:11 Tyler and Julien drag a random girl to make out with both of them then make out with another random girl (again no idea if this is NY, you’re the pro look for landmarks lol)

Here’s that low energy guy I linked in NYC:

Paul Janka in NYC:

Every guy thinks “that pickup stuff might work on those X-City girls but that won’t work in MY city at MY bars” lol We make fun of it because it’s like one of the number one things guys who don’t understand PUA think.

Here’s Alex’s travel vid from a few years back, these guys travel the WORLD teaching this stuff and taking guys infield and picking up girls lol:

Here’s super effeminate Max making fun of that “I’d like to see them try that in MY city” stuff because we hear it SO MUCH:

“Oh yeah guys, hit the gym. Not for chicks, for your life.”

This I agree with. Do it for yourself and to have cardio to fuck. But don’t obsess over it and focus on game ’cause game is what’s gonna get your dick wet.

@Wild Man
“Like I don’t see any reason to try too hard – seems sort of beneath me.”

If that’s working out for you, great, keep it up. If it’s not then start looking at material like the low energy guys I’m linking tons of free content of and see what you can take from them.

Here Julien is talking directly to you, the divorced older guy discovering this game shit, because your attitude is very common (“that’s not me, maybe some dumb youngsters might apply to this because they’re not as old and mature as I am”):

@Bromeo
“Lol yareally loves dick riding Tyler, it’s funny how there are no jacked pua’s, they are all skinny metro guys. Jacked guys don’t rely on game nearly as much as because of pure biological attraction.”

100% accurate.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147345103

Here’s some infield of tall jacked dudes effortlessly taking a girl off Tyler at 7:03 in this vid cuz jacked guys don’t need game with that pure biological attraction:

@Andy
“Yeah, or maybe it’s just bad business because if people see a 6’4″ football player with game pulling chicks they’ll just throw up their hands in disgust, give up and retreat back to their computer to jerk off to porn for the rest of their lives. lol, how are we still talking about this?”

lol there are jacked dudes in the community.

@scribblerg
“I looked at it I found that what was really going on that it pissed me off that it worked.”
πŸ™‚ Yup.

“Notice how low key he is but still, he works her hard.”

Thing is we can link a shitton of vids. I can link a million fucking vids of guys doing this stuff and doing it in different styles with different physiques literally around the entire WORLD on all sorts of types of girls in all sorts of environments, times of day, locations, looking/dressed in various ways, etc, etc

But guys want to hold onto their world view so they’ll ignore all of it. Most of them probably won’t even WATCH half these vids. I’d bet that of the million vids I’ve linked over the years half of them don’t even get clicked because guys don’t WANT to see this stuff work and fuck with their paradigms. Like I know Bromeo isn’t going to click that video and Blaximus isn’t going to look at that NYC infield and let me know if those infield clips are from NYC etc But the lurkers click and silently learn in the shadows as they rally themselves up to go out this weekend and talk to girls lol

@Blaximus
“But it’s undeniable that a ” jacked ” dude can have many more opportunities presented to him if he choses to capitalize on all of that IOI/attention. Zero doubt, The key word is ” Opportunities “.”

Yup. This is what I’ve said from day 1. Looks will definitely get you more attention, but it’s GAME that converts those opportunities to LAYS. And it’s LACK of game that will fuck those opportunities up and make them useless and even EXTRA frustrating because everyone in society expects you to be successful but you don’t understand women and can’t figure out why you end up on the MISC joining the Forever Alone crew.

“Your bod can dessert you with amazing speed if you’ve followed an intense workout regimen and then suddenly stop and let your diet go all to hell.”

I tell girls I’m on a 30 year dirty bulk lol


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YaReally
on December 3rd, 2015 at 5:07 pm
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Here’s a Liam infield clip, dude is pretty chill in some sets (I’m not a big fan of his game, I think James Marshall is better at the super-chill pickups), and he breaks down all the calibrating and stuff he’s doing (he’s doing the same shit Tyler and crew do, he’s just doing it at a different pace and energy, but the concepts he’s executing are the same shit that flips attraction switches):


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YaReally
on December 3rd, 2015 at 5:07 pm
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Here’s a Liam infield clip, dude is pretty chill in some sets (I’m not a big fan of his game, I think James Marshall is better at the super-chill pickups), and he breaks down all the calibrating and stuff he’s doing (he’s doing the same shit Tyler and crew do, he’s just doing it at a different pace and energy, but the concepts he’s executing are the same shit that flips attraction switches):


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YaReally
on December 4th, 2015 at 2:19 am
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@Wild Man
“I have to admit something about all this PUA makes me uncomfortable and I have to start to consider that might have a lot to do with my own issues of identity.”

This. It’s your ego trying to protect itself. One of the hardest parts for new guys, especially older guys coming back into the game, is that they have all these shitty mindsets and bad wiring and bad habits, or even habits and mindsets that WERE good when they were younger and in a different stage of their life but are obsolete and hold them back now, and they don’t want to change any of that because they have an entire lifetime of investment into that identity:

(Jeffy is like 40 now btw, Tyler is I think 36, Julien and Max are young bucks, Ozzie is a dinosaur, etc)

They end up conflicted because they aren’t getting the results they want or feel like they SHOULD get, but they won’t leave their comfort zones because when they watch these vids they think “oh, I have to either be like I am now or I have to be this SWIRLING TWIRLING DANCING CLOWN MONKEY MAN LIKE TYLER” because if they exaggerate it that way then they can ignore his vids and stick to their comfort zone and the identity they’re used to. That’s why I link the low energy guys and different styles because that fucks with that guy’s brain, he goes “wait, this guy seems kiiiind of normalISH…hmmm…I mean, he’s still a little weird but this is more relatable….game can look like THIS too? I don’t have to high-five girls??”

“You are a very positive person – you don’t seem to get pissed off when people aren’t hearing you – you just stay on message and keep trying.”

lol I’m not ego invested in this stuff. If it was all proven wrong and it turned out you have to like, wear a green shirt to get laid, wearing a green shirt will get you laid the most, I would have a closet full of green shirts and tell guys to wear green shirts. So I don’t care if guys don’t believe me or don’t listen to me because I’m not trying to sell anyone on anything. This is the blueprint of how this shit works, it’s there for anyone to go out infield and experiment with. Guys who spend enough time infield come to the same conclusions I’m talking about. That’s why I don’t care if someone’s like “THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS” cause it’s like okay, tell me exactly what you’re basing that on and let’s have a dialogue…ok that’s interesting that you think that way, how do you explain this evidence? And this evidence? And this and this and this? Can you still explain it or do you pick and choose single points to respond to and try to skirt around addressing the big concepts because they don’t fit your paradigm? And how do you deal with that cognitive dissonance I’m forcing you to have by providing all this counter-evidence?

Everyone resists swallowing the pill at first. No one WANTS to think this stuff works lol We all want it to work like we were conditioned to believe. That’s why I can dump HOURS of evidence that looks don’t matter and the guys invested in that belief will just ignore it all and either avoid the conversation or pick and choose tiny points and never really engage, because ultimately what they’re saying doesn’t hold up infield, espeically not in 2015 with the <25yo crowd. A lot of them are using second-hand information like surveys or university lab experiment papers, memories of when they were younger, logical extrapolation of how they think things will probably pan out, etc. So their beliefs are outdated and don't hold up under pressure testing anymore…but no one really pressure tested these beliefs until the PUA community came along. We don't have a Seth Rogan pornstar, not because there aren't girls who think chubby guys are sexy, we don't have it because no marketing department is going to take a chance on that shit…even though Rollo's PornHub stats and hitting "Solo Male" on PH shows that the top guys AREN'T these jacked firemen dudes. But everyone is so invested in the belief, including the Seth Rogans, that there ISN'T a Seth Rogan pulling a James Deen.

Before James Deen no one would say "women want a skinny 5'7" guy", but he happened to be wired in a way where he acts with the subcomms of an alpha dude when he fucks, and that's what women are responding to. But most skinny guys won't act like him because they're bought into the social conditioning too, so it's just not common that guys like James exist…that's why he's an interesting case. Because he's demonstrating that "if you CAN fuck like an alpha, even if you don't look like one, girls will respond to it". The same way Tyler can get laid, he's breaking the social conditioning of "guys who look like Tyler shouldn't be able to get laid, and especially not have girls choose them over jacked tall guys", but there he is, doing it, stunting in everyone's face, and we'll still sit here and say "but…but looks MATTER!! Look at this lab experiment this university did!!" without explaining why Tyler and James can do what they do because if we accept that maybe looks DON'T matter after all, how much else to we have to reconsider in our belief system about how attraction works?

"I’m starting to wonder if the common thread, PUA-wise, is an effort not to expend too much energy in ego defense, and maybe I’m actually having a reaction against that."

Ego will just hold you back. But everyone has to fight with that shit so don't stress it too much. Just be open, mentally, to new ideas:

@theasdgamer
"What do you say if he’s tall or jacked?"

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=amog
http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-452271
http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/7/#comment-heartiste-455371
http://yareallyarchive.com/2011/10/#comment-heartiste-279137

@redlight
"So do guys need to be jacked up to provide feelz?"

Like I say, abusive husbands/boyfriends that girls keep coming back to, pimps who have girls selling their bodies and handing them their money, host club males in Japan, these guys aren't all jacked tall Arnolds. They just give girls massive emotional impact that she can't get anywhere else. She doesn't watch the Twilight movie because Edward is hot or it would just be 90 min of Edward shirtless looking at the camera…they watch Twilight because the movie has a HUGE emotional rollercoaster of emotions. They'll PAY MONEY to feel FEELS. You don't need to be jacked to provide FEELS, you just have to understand chick-brains and why all these game concepts work and why Julien can go up and shout "DOG! SLUT!!" and the girls giggle and chase him instead of the jacked guy beside him.

@Anonymous Reader
"It’s really interesting to think about why Deen would be so popular with the under 25 women. These are the women who are submerged in affirmative support via social media, have beta orbiters a text away, and yet they apparenlty are subbing to a site and buying DVD’s?"

This. Sure, a lonely 35+yo who doesn't get attention might do that shit, but why would a smokin hot 18yo with guys lined up around the block pounding her with validation 24/7 give a shit about Deen?

I think a lot of the confusion is that when people read "have beta orbiters", they picture the girls "beta orbiters" as this:

It's incomprehensible to them (because they DON'T look at <25yo girls' phones) that when I say "beta orbiters" I'm not even TALKING about the guys in that pic above, those guys are pretty much irrelevant, just the lovable losers in the background.

When I talk about a HOT girl's beta orbiters, guys who don't hang out around those girls don't get that those girls have an ENDLESS supply of guys that look like this (ENDLESS, scroll through a hot girls Tinder matches and she's got like 20 pages of dudes like this, espeically if she's on social media, even passive social media like Instagram and shit where it's not even a "dating site" it's just guys swarming her because she put up some good Myspace angle pics):

https://www.google.ca/search?&q=tinder+guys+muscles&tbm=isch

And those same guys can't comprehend, when I'm making fun of these girls' "beta orbiters" that those SAME GUYS you're seeing in those profile pics where it's like "holy shit that dude must get laid like crazy" are the EXACT SAME GUYS who, when you look at the conversations girls are having with them, are texting shit like THIS:

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/guy-texts-girl-fail-2.jpg?quality=94&strip=info&w=499

They think only the nerdy "lovable loser" beta orbiter sends those texts because they're so bought into their world view that these jacked dudes must get pussy so easy and not need game or have sick game because they're good-looking and they just don't fucking GET it, because they don't hang around <25yo hot girls and SEE these conversations and listen to the girls making fun of these guys and get screenshots of conversations like this from hot guys followed by "oh god why did I sign up for Tinder, please tell me you're free Saturday" etc

So there's a huge disconnect between the guys waxing theory from their keyboards and what's actually going on out there.

"What are they getting from Deen’s porn that they don’t get elsewhere? I do believe that’s what YaReally is pointing out."

That's exactly it. James isn't "better looking" than these guys as a skinny short dude (like I say tons of these guys have great facial aesthetics, James isn't some miracle face lol), so why are they obsessing with him when they have all these other way better looking dudes chasing them? Because those guys, despite looking good, turn them off with their shitty game and their FI-brainwashed inability to make moves and escalate and properly seduce them so they can manhandle them the way James does.

It's like trying to educate a classroom of students learning about the weather who don't go outside and are telling me "but I read a study that says snow–" and it's like "it's snowing outside RIGHT NOW, just go out it's right there for you to see!" lol

Deen is filling a need these girls have for a guy who "just gets it" because all these guys that most people THINK or ASSUME "just get it" DON'T fucking get it, and actively ANTI-get it lol But the guys who think that aren't going through these girls phones and seeing these guys' sad lack of game and listening to girls talking about some jacked rich guy literally the exact same way they talk about some nerdy chode, with the same level of distaste and zero attraction (in fact a lot of times they hate on them MORE because they don't EXPECT the nerdy chode to have game but they expected the good-looking guy to have game so he's failing even harder by sending texts like that shit up there).

"And I suspect that this is a major clue: women’s porn usually is text based, it’s stories that strum emotional cords (chords, too). That’s why 50 SOG took off, even though it apparently is 2nd rate fanfic at best."

We all know this, and yet we don't say "what is a woman getting from text that she isn't getting from these hot real-life guys that orbit her?" We say "well, it doesn't matter, there was a description of the guy in the book having abs so that's what matters to women!!"

"Deen’s showing some kind of personal connection, along with some degree of dominance, and the under 25 millennial girls are going wild?
Gee, what could that mean? What factors could be involved?

Zowie, it’s almost like the under 25 men can’t get eye contact going, act like mumble-tounged tards and have no game. But that can’t be right, beause some of them are tall and others are jacked and that’s all that matters. Which Deen totally proves, being so tall as he is and having totally cut muscles…"

Fucking thankyou lol Like, it's surreal to me that I have to explain this but at the same time I know not a lot of guys on here are hitting up the <25yo crowd and when they do they aren't scoping out their competition and looking into this stuff, they're focused more on just getting the girl. I'll literally go on Tinder with girls on their phones after we fuck just to watch them swiping and which profiles they choose and why and look at their conversations and shit. I've seen SO MANY convos like I posted above that guys wouldn't even believe happen or would think "oh that guy must be some lame ugly beta chode" and not understand that hot guys are texting that shit.

Here's Tyler talking about how he used to have money, tried to get jacked etc as he went through his learning process:

@Rollo
"Women’s porn is a lot more descriptive of ideal physical features than you might think."

Much as I trust the guy in that video to pick up on subtleties let's look at actual quotes lol:

http://www.beamsandstruts.com/bits-a-pieces/item/692-handsome-vampire

There are a few references to his muscles but the VAST majority of the descriptions are stuff like "the face of an angel" and "the beautiful boy" and "his face was absurdly handsome" and "his face was such a distraction that I tried not to look at it anymore"

Notice the trick there? She's not actually describing specifics, she's describing super generic shit where women can just fill in whatever they think "gorgeous" and "the face of an angel" is. Some girls picture some emo movie style Edward, some girls picture some chilsed-jaw Arnold style Edward.

What most of the descriptions of him also contain are stuff like "he doesn't date, apparently none of the girls here are good looking enough for him" (DHV, preselection, qualifying girls, etc), "he turned slowly to glare at me (slow alpha movements), – his face was absurdly handsome – with piercing, hate-filled eyes" (emotional descriptive shit of his eyes, description of subcomms and feelings that give girls tingles). "I was still frightened of the hostility I sometimes felt emanating from him" (more feels and emotional rollercoaster). "His eyes were gloriously intense as he uttered that last sentence, his voice smouldering. I couldn't remember how to breathe." (all sorts of subcomm descriptions and emotional shit)

Square peg doesn't fit in the round hole and the guy in that video you linked doesn't sound like a guy who's going to notice any of these subtleties, 'cause he's caught up in how women want Chad Thundercock instead of understanding subcomms.

@Liz
"Which would also include opening herself up to junk mail, targetted advertisements, and lots and lots of SPAM."

A smokin hot <25yo in 2015 has real life guys way better looking than him that she can fuck by just texting "hey come over". ENDLESS supplies of them if she's hot. And yet she's going to drop money and shit on this skinny little guy who she probably wouldn't even pick if she saw his body in a profile pic on Tinder lol Same with the huge male host club industry in Japan etc. Those girls are getting something from those guys that their abundant jacked tall orbiter chodes aren't providing.

@Anonymous Reader
"Back in the 90’s I read a survey that showed only 30% of women admitted to masturbation. More recent surveys show 40% to 50%. It’s clearly a demographic thing. "

lol every chick masturbates her face off. Sex is FUN in 2015, it's not taboo anymore. I think most fathers would be fucking TERRIFIED if they grabbed their daughter's phone out of her hand and looked through her photos and messages.

"Liz, grab 10 phones off of 20 year old women, and I bet at least 6 of them have some sort of porn. In some urban areas probably 9."

8 of those phones will have porn/sexy nudes OF THEMSELVES on it. That's 2015.

@keyser Soze
Still just scrolling past your name brah lol

@Blaximus
lol down the rabbit hole you go. Be careful!

Most of those chicks probably aren't googling porn and subscribing to porn sites and shit. It's one of those things where it's like, I don't know anything about Perelli tires or whatever you guys were talking about, but anyone who's into cars and brands will know about them.

Also lol at the bodies on the street thing. Again I don't go by self-surveys like that because most of that shit goes out the window when you put a guy lasering her and spiking her emotions in front of her…BUT, notice that the trend is "basically a dude who takes care of his body but isn't obsessed" which is the message I've promoted since the beginning: handle your basic looks so you don't look like a social outcast and sure even hit the gym or eat healthy, but then let it go from there. Don't obsess or think you have to be jacked to get girls, it's a waste of time and energy that you could spend actually approaching girls and learning how all this subcomm shit works. You need to look like C to get picked on Tinder or Plenty of Fish, but you don't need to look like the C to get laid off cold approach and girls will happily fuck other body types and pick you OVER guys who have the C body if you're spiking the right emotions.

@Forge the Sky
"One of those things that seems very obvious in retrospect, heh."

lol most sticking points are sticking points other guys have run into a million times and we've solved a million times. It's just hard to tell when you're in the middle of it, that's why we do Field Reports etc to get some outside perspective.

"I suppose I was wondering if this was some sort of a shit test or frame test, and was confused that the usual things weren’t working. It also highlights how a girl (or anyone you deal with, really) needs to think that there’s something you like about them – otherwise why are you being so cagey about your intentions with them?"

If she's not super secure about her body and you're complimenting it, like, she didn't DO ANYTHING to earn that body. She was just born with specific genetics and maybe she dieted and shit but like, she can't control that her tits are small. But she can control that she wore a certain outfit or that she has a certain attitude or interests that you find sexy, so complimenting those things makes her feel like a special snowflake.

"I still subcommunicate that I like people, because I do, but I suppose I need to get a bit more explicit about it and develop a way to make people feel good about themselves when I want them to"

Try to think about the person themselves and what THEIR value system is. YOUR value system is "hot girls are high-value", but maybe that nerdy secretary's value system is "intelligence is high-value", so when you compliment her looks it's not a personal connection with her because her value system doesn't value looks the way yours does, but if you complimented her choice in reading material, boom, you've complimented her on something that's huge in her value system and that means the world to her. Saying she's hot is giving her 1st place in a contest she didn't enter or have an interest in winning (or even WANT to win, maybe she's too insecure to want the spotlight in that area), but saying she has good taste in books when she values intelligence is giving her 1st place in the contest she's ecstatic to win.

People wear their value-system on their sleeves a lot of the time. A guy rolling up in a BMW in a tailored suit is telling you his value system places money up high, so do you compliment him on his choice of reading material? You could but that's probably not high in his value system (unless he's Tai Lopez…lol)…he'll feel a lot more special snowflake if you say "wow man that car is badass, can I take a photo of this thing, I want to show my friends they'll never believe me!!" that guy is probably going to walk around on cloud 9 and think you're super.

"I have an old friend from High School who read The Game back when it first came out, and started to try on some PUA stuff. Then he married the first girl that would go on a date with him from some dating site, lol"

lol such a common story.

"and it basically just manifests as him being an asshole unnecessarily, arguing about random things, and ordering me to do shit to AMOG me"

He basically bought a gun but didn't stick with the training course long enough to really learn how to use it or responsible mindsets with it etc. The material is there for guys and we try to teach them, but like, a Karate instructor can't keep his student from quitting after 5 classes then going out and bullying people with his Cobra Kai skillz…all he can do is try to teach the kid proper mindsets with it and hope the kid takes his class long enough for him to be a good influence on him.

"All that to say, I tossed aside my supplicating niceness. Now I have to keep learning how to create positive emotions for people when I want to – in a way that’s congruous with my non-codependant mindset. It can be a whole different ballgame I’m finding."

The pendulum swings of game lol Go to one extreme, then to the other, and settle somewhere in the middle in a place that's congruent to your personality.


The Tyranny of Biomechanics

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YaReally
on December 4th, 2015 at 2:19 am
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@Wild Man
“I have to admit something about all this PUA makes me uncomfortable and I have to start to consider that might have a lot to do with my own issues of identity.”

This. It’s your ego trying to protect itself. One of the hardest parts for new guys, especially older guys coming back into the game, is that they have all these shitty mindsets and bad wiring and bad habits, or even habits and mindsets that WERE good when they were younger and in a different stage of their life but are obsolete and hold them back now, and they don’t want to change any of that because they have an entire lifetime of investment into that identity:

(Jeffy is like 40 now btw, Tyler is I think 36, Julien and Max are young bucks, Ozzie is a dinosaur, etc)

They end up conflicted because they aren’t getting the results they want or feel like they SHOULD get, but they won’t leave their comfort zones because when they watch these vids they think “oh, I have to either be like I am now or I have to be this SWIRLING TWIRLING DANCING CLOWN MONKEY MAN LIKE TYLER” because if they exaggerate it that way then they can ignore his vids and stick to their comfort zone and the identity they’re used to. That’s why I link the low energy guys and different styles because that fucks with that guy’s brain, he goes “wait, this guy seems kiiiind of normalISH…hmmm…I mean, he’s still a little weird but this is more relatable….game can look like THIS too? I don’t have to high-five girls??”

“You are a very positive person – you don’t seem to get pissed off when people aren’t hearing you – you just stay on message and keep trying.”

lol I’m not ego invested in this stuff. If it was all proven wrong and it turned out you have to like, wear a green shirt to get laid, wearing a green shirt will get you laid the most, I would have a closet full of green shirts and tell guys to wear green shirts. So I don’t care if guys don’t believe me or don’t listen to me because I’m not trying to sell anyone on anything. This is the blueprint of how this shit works, it’s there for anyone to go out infield and experiment with. Guys who spend enough time infield come to the same conclusions I’m talking about. That’s why I don’t care if someone’s like “THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS” cause it’s like okay, tell me exactly what you’re basing that on and let’s have a dialogue…ok that’s interesting that you think that way, how do you explain this evidence? And this evidence? And this and this and this? Can you still explain it or do you pick and choose single points to respond to and try to skirt around addressing the big concepts because they don’t fit your paradigm? And how do you deal with that cognitive dissonance I’m forcing you to have by providing all this counter-evidence?

Everyone resists swallowing the pill at first. No one WANTS to think this stuff works lol We all want it to work like we were conditioned to believe. That’s why I can dump HOURS of evidence that looks don’t matter and the guys invested in that belief will just ignore it all and either avoid the conversation or pick and choose tiny points and never really engage, because ultimately what they’re saying doesn’t hold up infield, espeically not in 2015 with the <25yo crowd. A lot of them are using second-hand information like surveys or university lab experiment papers, memories of when they were younger, logical extrapolation of how they think things will probably pan out, etc. So their beliefs are outdated and don't hold up under pressure testing anymore…but no one really pressure tested these beliefs until the PUA community came along. We don't have a Seth Rogan pornstar, not because there aren't girls who think chubby guys are sexy, we don't have it because no marketing department is going to take a chance on that shit…even though Rollo's PornHub stats and hitting "Solo Male" on PH shows that the top guys AREN'T these jacked firemen dudes. But everyone is so invested in the belief, including the Seth Rogans, that there ISN'T a Seth Rogan pulling a James Deen.

Before James Deen no one would say "women want a skinny 5'7" guy", but he happened to be wired in a way where he acts with the subcomms of an alpha dude when he fucks, and that's what women are responding to. But most skinny guys won't act like him because they're bought into the social conditioning too, so it's just not common that guys like James exist…that's why he's an interesting case. Because he's demonstrating that "if you CAN fuck like an alpha, even if you don't look like one, girls will respond to it". The same way Tyler can get laid, he's breaking the social conditioning of "guys who look like Tyler shouldn't be able to get laid, and especially not have girls choose them over jacked tall guys", but there he is, doing it, stunting in everyone's face, and we'll still sit here and say "but…but looks MATTER!! Look at this lab experiment this university did!!" without explaining why Tyler and James can do what they do because if we accept that maybe looks DON'T matter after all, how much else to we have to reconsider in our belief system about how attraction works?

"I’m starting to wonder if the common thread, PUA-wise, is an effort not to expend too much energy in ego defense, and maybe I’m actually having a reaction against that."

Ego will just hold you back. But everyone has to fight with that shit so don't stress it too much. Just be open, mentally, to new ideas:

@theasdgamer
"What do you say if he’s tall or jacked?"

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=amog
http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-452271
http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/7/#comment-heartiste-455371
http://yareallyarchive.com/2011/10/#comment-heartiste-279137

@redlight
"So do guys need to be jacked up to provide feelz?"

Like I say, abusive husbands/boyfriends that girls keep coming back to, pimps who have girls selling their bodies and handing them their money, host club males in Japan, these guys aren't all jacked tall Arnolds. They just give girls massive emotional impact that she can't get anywhere else. She doesn't watch the Twilight movie because Edward is hot or it would just be 90 min of Edward shirtless looking at the camera…they watch Twilight because the movie has a HUGE emotional rollercoaster of emotions. They'll PAY MONEY to feel FEELS. You don't need to be jacked to provide FEELS, you just have to understand chick-brains and why all these game concepts work and why Julien can go up and shout "DOG! SLUT!!" and the girls giggle and chase him instead of the jacked guy beside him.

@Anonymous Reader
"It’s really interesting to think about why Deen would be so popular with the under 25 women. These are the women who are submerged in affirmative support via social media, have beta orbiters a text away, and yet they apparenlty are subbing to a site and buying DVD’s?"

This. Sure, a lonely 35+yo who doesn't get attention might do that shit, but why would a smokin hot 18yo with guys lined up around the block pounding her with validation 24/7 give a shit about Deen?

I think a lot of the confusion is that when people read "have beta orbiters", they picture the girls "beta orbiters" as this:

It's incomprehensible to them (because they DON'T look at <25yo girls' phones) that when I say "beta orbiters" I'm not even TALKING about the guys in that pic above, those guys are pretty much irrelevant, just the lovable losers in the background.

When I talk about a HOT girl's beta orbiters, guys who don't hang out around those girls don't get that those girls have an ENDLESS supply of guys that look like this (ENDLESS, scroll through a hot girls Tinder matches and she's got like 20 pages of dudes like this, espeically if she's on social media, even passive social media like Instagram and shit where it's not even a "dating site" it's just guys swarming her because she put up some good Myspace angle pics):

https://www.google.ca/search?&q=tinder+guys+muscles&tbm=isch

And those same guys can't comprehend, when I'm making fun of these girls' "beta orbiters" that those SAME GUYS you're seeing in those profile pics where it's like "holy shit that dude must get laid like crazy" are the EXACT SAME GUYS who, when you look at the conversations girls are having with them, are texting shit like THIS:

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/guy-texts-girl-fail-2.jpg?quality=94&strip=info&w=499

They think only the nerdy "lovable loser" beta orbiter sends those texts because they're so bought into their world view that these jacked dudes must get pussy so easy and not need game or have sick game because they're good-looking and they just don't fucking GET it, because they don't hang around <25yo hot girls and SEE these conversations and listen to the girls making fun of these guys and get screenshots of conversations like this from hot guys followed by "oh god why did I sign up for Tinder, please tell me you're free Saturday" etc

So there's a huge disconnect between the guys waxing theory from their keyboards and what's actually going on out there.

"What are they getting from Deen’s porn that they don’t get elsewhere? I do believe that’s what YaReally is pointing out."

That's exactly it. James isn't "better looking" than these guys as a skinny short dude (like I say tons of these guys have great facial aesthetics, James isn't some miracle face lol), so why are they obsessing with him when they have all these other way better looking dudes chasing them? Because those guys, despite looking good, turn them off with their shitty game and their FI-brainwashed inability to make moves and escalate and properly seduce them so they can manhandle them the way James does.

It's like trying to educate a classroom of students learning about the weather who don't go outside and are telling me "but I read a study that says snow–" and it's like "it's snowing outside RIGHT NOW, just go out it's right there for you to see!" lol

Deen is filling a need these girls have for a guy who "just gets it" because all these guys that most people THINK or ASSUME "just get it" DON'T fucking get it, and actively ANTI-get it lol But the guys who think that aren't going through these girls phones and seeing these guys' sad lack of game and listening to girls talking about some jacked rich guy literally the exact same way they talk about some nerdy chode, with the same level of distaste and zero attraction (in fact a lot of times they hate on them MORE because they don't EXPECT the nerdy chode to have game but they expected the good-looking guy to have game so he's failing even harder by sending texts like that shit up there).

"And I suspect that this is a major clue: women’s porn usually is text based, it’s stories that strum emotional cords (chords, too). That’s why 50 SOG took off, even though it apparently is 2nd rate fanfic at best."

We all know this, and yet we don't say "what is a woman getting from text that she isn't getting from these hot real-life guys that orbit her?" We say "well, it doesn't matter, there was a description of the guy in the book having abs so that's what matters to women!!"

"Deen’s showing some kind of personal connection, along with some degree of dominance, and the under 25 millennial girls are going wild?
Gee, what could that mean? What factors could be involved?

Zowie, it’s almost like the under 25 men can’t get eye contact going, act like mumble-tounged tards and have no game. But that can’t be right, beause some of them are tall and others are jacked and that’s all that matters. Which Deen totally proves, being so tall as he is and having totally cut muscles…"

Fucking thankyou lol Like, it's surreal to me that I have to explain this but at the same time I know not a lot of guys on here are hitting up the <25yo crowd and when they do they aren't scoping out their competition and looking into this stuff, they're focused more on just getting the girl. I'll literally go on Tinder with girls on their phones after we fuck just to watch them swiping and which profiles they choose and why and look at their conversations and shit. I've seen SO MANY convos like I posted above that guys wouldn't even believe happen or would think "oh that guy must be some lame ugly beta chode" and not understand that hot guys are texting that shit.

Here's Tyler talking about how he used to have money, tried to get jacked etc as he went through his learning process:

@Rollo
"Women’s porn is a lot more descriptive of ideal physical features than you might think."

Much as I trust the guy in that video to pick up on subtleties let's look at actual quotes lol:

http://www.beamsandstruts.com/bits-a-pieces/item/692-handsome-vampire

There are a few references to his muscles but the VAST majority of the descriptions are stuff like "the face of an angel" and "the beautiful boy" and "his face was absurdly handsome" and "his face was such a distraction that I tried not to look at it anymore"

Notice the trick there? She's not actually describing specifics, she's describing super generic shit where women can just fill in whatever they think "gorgeous" and "the face of an angel" is. Some girls picture some emo movie style Edward, some girls picture some chilsed-jaw Arnold style Edward.

What most of the descriptions of him also contain are stuff like "he doesn't date, apparently none of the girls here are good looking enough for him" (DHV, preselection, qualifying girls, etc), "he turned slowly to glare at me (slow alpha movements), – his face was absurdly handsome – with piercing, hate-filled eyes" (emotional descriptive shit of his eyes, description of subcomms and feelings that give girls tingles). "I was still frightened of the hostility I sometimes felt emanating from him" (more feels and emotional rollercoaster). "His eyes were gloriously intense as he uttered that last sentence, his voice smouldering. I couldn't remember how to breathe." (all sorts of subcomm descriptions and emotional shit)

Square peg doesn't fit in the round hole and the guy in that video you linked doesn't sound like a guy who's going to notice any of these subtleties, 'cause he's caught up in how women want Chad Thundercock instead of understanding subcomms.

@Liz
"Which would also include opening herself up to junk mail, targetted advertisements, and lots and lots of SPAM."

A smokin hot <25yo in 2015 has real life guys way better looking than him that she can fuck by just texting "hey come over". ENDLESS supplies of them if she's hot. And yet she's going to drop money and shit on this skinny little guy who she probably wouldn't even pick if she saw his body in a profile pic on Tinder lol Same with the huge male host club industry in Japan etc. Those girls are getting something from those guys that their abundant jacked tall orbiter chodes aren't providing.

@Anonymous Reader
"Back in the 90’s I read a survey that showed only 30% of women admitted to masturbation. More recent surveys show 40% to 50%. It’s clearly a demographic thing. "

lol every chick masturbates her face off. Sex is FUN in 2015, it's not taboo anymore. I think most fathers would be fucking TERRIFIED if they grabbed their daughter's phone out of her hand and looked through her photos and messages.

"Liz, grab 10 phones off of 20 year old women, and I bet at least 6 of them have some sort of porn. In some urban areas probably 9."

8 of those phones will have porn/sexy nudes OF THEMSELVES on it. That's 2015.

@keyser Soze
Still just scrolling past your name brah lol

@Blaximus
lol down the rabbit hole you go. Be careful!

Most of those chicks probably aren't googling porn and subscribing to porn sites and shit. It's one of those things where it's like, I don't know anything about Perelli tires or whatever you guys were talking about, but anyone who's into cars and brands will know about them.

Also lol at the bodies on the street thing. Again I don't go by self-surveys like that because most of that shit goes out the window when you put a guy lasering her and spiking her emotions in front of her…BUT, notice that the trend is "basically a dude who takes care of his body but isn't obsessed" which is the message I've promoted since the beginning: handle your basic looks so you don't look like a social outcast and sure even hit the gym or eat healthy, but then let it go from there. Don't obsess or think you have to be jacked to get girls, it's a waste of time and energy that you could spend actually approaching girls and learning how all this subcomm shit works. You need to look like C to get picked on Tinder or Plenty of Fish, but you don't need to look like the C to get laid off cold approach and girls will happily fuck other body types and pick you OVER guys who have the C body if you're spiking the right emotions.

@Forge the Sky
"One of those things that seems very obvious in retrospect, heh."

lol most sticking points are sticking points other guys have run into a million times and we've solved a million times. It's just hard to tell when you're in the middle of it, that's why we do Field Reports etc to get some outside perspective.

"I suppose I was wondering if this was some sort of a shit test or frame test, and was confused that the usual things weren’t working. It also highlights how a girl (or anyone you deal with, really) needs to think that there’s something you like about them – otherwise why are you being so cagey about your intentions with them?"

If she's not super secure about her body and you're complimenting it, like, she didn't DO ANYTHING to earn that body. She was just born with specific genetics and maybe she dieted and shit but like, she can't control that her tits are small. But she can control that she wore a certain outfit or that she has a certain attitude or interests that you find sexy, so complimenting those things makes her feel like a special snowflake.

"I still subcommunicate that I like people, because I do, but I suppose I need to get a bit more explicit about it and develop a way to make people feel good about themselves when I want them to"

Try to think about the person themselves and what THEIR value system is. YOUR value system is "hot girls are high-value", but maybe that nerdy secretary's value system is "intelligence is high-value", so when you compliment her looks it's not a personal connection with her because her value system doesn't value looks the way yours does, but if you complimented her choice in reading material, boom, you've complimented her on something that's huge in her value system and that means the world to her. Saying she's hot is giving her 1st place in a contest she didn't enter or have an interest in winning (or even WANT to win, maybe she's too insecure to want the spotlight in that area), but saying she has good taste in books when she values intelligence is giving her 1st place in the contest she's ecstatic to win.

People wear their value-system on their sleeves a lot of the time. A guy rolling up in a BMW in a tailored suit is telling you his value system places money up high, so do you compliment him on his choice of reading material? You could but that's probably not high in his value system (unless he's Tai Lopez…lol)…he'll feel a lot more special snowflake if you say "wow man that car is badass, can I take a photo of this thing, I want to show my friends they'll never believe me!!" that guy is probably going to walk around on cloud 9 and think you're super.

"I have an old friend from High School who read The Game back when it first came out, and started to try on some PUA stuff. Then he married the first girl that would go on a date with him from some dating site, lol"

lol such a common story.

"and it basically just manifests as him being an asshole unnecessarily, arguing about random things, and ordering me to do shit to AMOG me"

He basically bought a gun but didn't stick with the training course long enough to really learn how to use it or responsible mindsets with it etc. The material is there for guys and we try to teach them, but like, a Karate instructor can't keep his student from quitting after 5 classes then going out and bullying people with his Cobra Kai skillz…all he can do is try to teach the kid proper mindsets with it and hope the kid takes his class long enough for him to be a good influence on him.

"All that to say, I tossed aside my supplicating niceness. Now I have to keep learning how to create positive emotions for people when I want to – in a way that’s congruous with my non-codependant mindset. It can be a whole different ballgame I’m finding."

The pendulum swings of game lol Go to one extreme, then to the other, and settle somewhere in the middle in a place that's congruent to your personality.


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@Liz
“Porn IS the equation. Particularly since it looks like his fan base is comprised of a bunch of 15,16, 17 year old girls. No, I would not like my daughter to be a porn star subscriber at that age.”

lol tons of girls are having actual flat out sex by age 15 these days. Sex is so not taboo anymore and all their role models in the media are super sexual, why WOULDN’T they? Go feminism lol That’s why James isn’t really phased by young people being interested in sex, he knows when the reporters ask they’re asking from a Blue Pill paradigm like “omg that’s not what it was like when I was that age” and that they have no idea what the culture is like now.

@scribblerg
“today it’s amateurs and young women from all walks of life give it a go when financially desperate.”

Not even when they’re financially desperate. Lots of them just do it for fun or extra money/gifts/etc now. There’s no real taboo around it anymore (in their minds…in reality men will judge them, but the hot 19yo chick getting naked on her webcam doesn’t think there will be consequences when she tries to secure an alpha down the road because she has literally hundreds of guys in her webcam channel every time she flips it on and doesn’t know there are no badass alpha doctors in there, and she isn’t thinking long-term in general), so a hot girl who just wants to make some easy money it’s like, why NOT do it? Especially if she doesn’t have a father figure to try to instill some kind of boundaries on her, just a single mom who’s Eat Pray Loving herself anyway, her friends are all fucking around themselves, etc etc tons of societal factors.

On top of it they don’t have to do any of this anymore:

“She just wrote an email, attached a couple of pics, a few phone convos and boom she had a plane ticket to Florida. She stayed in an apt with other girls that the producer was having filmed.”

Hit up Chaturbate and MyFreeCams and it’s just a jillion normal girls, tons of average to flat out ugly girls ot just hot girls…join a few channels and watch guys just THROWING money at these girls for existing.

A bunch of them don’t even DO anything, they’ll just sit there texting but dressed hot and money flies in. Most of them will chat with the users and shoot the shit about their day with their tits out and make those guys feel like special snowflakes as money flies in. But most of them will full out fuck themselves, ramming giant anal toys up their ass and doing things that would terrify people who grew up in an earlier culture, or they’re getting fucked by a friend or boyfriend/husband, guys are buying them toys, they’re selling their panties etc, while money pours in.

A girl can set this up with like, a $50 webcam and she’s good to go. She’s making money for just masturbating with her camera flipped on when she was going to masturbate anyway…except now she’s made her rent money for the month AND had a FUN time. That’s the key is that most of these girls aren’t performing out of desperation, they’re having a BLAST interacting with their fans and getting validation and having orgasms etc.

There’s a toy that vibrates to the sound of donations, so the more the guys send her the more/harder it vibrates so the girl gets to live out “other guys are in control of my orgasm” fantasies while the guys get to live out “I’m in control of this girl’s orgasm” fantasies etc, win win for everyone. The girls have an ear to ear smile after every orgasm as they thank their fans for helping them get off, and the guys at home are happy because that’s a lot closer to getting a girl off than they’ll ever get in real life.

But when you boil it down, these girls are LITERALLY being paid to orgasm. Like to these girls each orgasm they have is worth a couple hundred dollars or more.

Then these same girls will head out to college or the library or the bar or whatever where normal guys meet them and it’s like, how fucked up is that girl’s perception of her value and sex etc for that Blue Pill guy to settle down with long-term?

Some of them are definitely struggling for money, but a LOT of them are just having fun. They’re going to masturbate anyway, and they have an endless stream of random dudes throwing money at them if they turn their webcam on, they’re not thinking about long-term consequences, so like, why wouldn’t they?

Welcome to 2015, where a HUGE number of girls are mini “pornstars”.

Extrapolate all of this into the social media culture and it’s the same thing, this is just the extreme end. But like, Instagram is the same concept, trading pics of themselves and the most minor amount of their time/attention and guys will throw validation and money and gifts at them. A hot girl on Instagram is getting free gifts, money, offers, etc from dudes, not even to fuck them but just for her to smile and say “omg thanks babe you’re so sweet xoxoxo”

And most of these girls aren’t even HOT lol

“It destroyed her socially though. She regrets it severely. She thought she was going to make huge bucks but in reality she made a total of like 7500 for the three-four scenes she did. She ended up getting some oral STD and it became absessed in her throat and the ER costs took all that money. She came home 3 weeks later broke and now with a social stigma she could never shake.”

The webcam girl stuff takes away a ton of those negatives. No travelling, no dealing with anyone but themselves, no doing anything they don’t want to do, keeping all the $ for themselves (minus some cut the site takes I’m sure), working as much or little as they want, no STDs, and the girls don’t seem to THINK they’ll end up screen-recorded and posted to PornHub etc and that might affect settling down with a guy down the road because they don’t think that far ahead, so they don’t really feel any social stigma…hell, they don’t even have to show their face they can just point the camera at their pussy and watch the money come in.

This is why I say, like, look at a hot 20yo girl’s phone. A lot of them will blow your fucking mind how the world has changed.

That’s also why when people are like “oh, YaReally you just want to jump from girl to girl, what about if your prostate enlarges and you need some 70yo to take care of you” it’s like man I don’t think you understand what the world is like now, it’s not a matter of just “pick a girl and settle down” lol There are a lot of factors that weren’t there even 10 years ago.

Webcams are a good example of what happens when you take away judgement. A lot of these girls are probably angels in real life, where their friends/family have no idea they do this stuff. But once they’re home alone and flip that camera on and get nothing but encouragement and validation instead of judgement, why not make a couple hundred bucks doing something she’s going to do anyway?

Guys with a madonna/whore complex in 2015? Who think they’re going to find some hot young chick who’s only had 1 other partner by age 21? lol…just lol. And to the RFV “American women are all damaged, go to EE and asia to get marriage material women who don’t know what sex is!!”, they have the Internet in EE and asia too lol

And it’s not going to get BETTER…once VR headsets become popular these chicks will have 3d cams set up so the guy can feel like he’s really in the room with her, and they already have toys where the girl can touch them on her end and it’ll make the toy do shit on the guy’s end, so girls will be able to virtually give out handjobs and “fuck” the toys, virtually banging a thousand guys at at time, again while donations pour in (“want me to go faster? 200 tokens and I’ll go faster guys!!”).

In terms of the psychology, just like these guys think they’re badass players donating tokens to these girls and the girls shout “omg hi BigCock47 I’m so glad you came back I love you baby xoxo” and all trying to outdo eachother (since everyone can see who donates what and there’s leaderboards for who’s donated the most etc like a videogame) and all these guys have disposable income because it’s not like they’re out at the bar having social lives etc…psychologically when the VR shit is all set up these guys’ brains will be convinced they’re actually getting laid on the regular because it looks and feels real enough (compared to their options in real life which are zero) for them to happily live inside the Matrix eating their steak they know is fake but is real enough for them to be satisfied.

So as we progress with this technology, if you’re a young hot girl and you don’t want to go flip burgers for minimum wage while you have to juggle school and need to pay off a bunch of student debt etc…why WOULDN’T you set up a webcam? According to the latest Amy Schumer GRRL POWER movies you’ll still end up marrying a rich doctor and living happily ever after.

The consequences of all this, best I can extrapolate off the top of my head is that bars will be fucking EMPTY because most average guys will just stay home with this kind of setup and become way too socially stunted to actually talk to real life girls. And girls will basically all have done some kind of webcam porn or at LEAST have sexy instagram photos up for validation/money at the bare minimum, but will eventually need a guy to give them the emotional rollercoaster manhandling stuff they can’t get from a dildo and guys who can cold approach will clean the fuck up out there lol

But like, society will be super-fucked.

This random cam chick I threw on in the background while typing this just made about $400 while I was typing this pic to talk about her fucking lunch with her tits out, not even showing vag lol And she’d be like a 6 at a nightclub. Meanwhile I gotta go work my ass off after I post this just to slowly grind out my rent money lol

@theasdgamer
“I’d like to know what you use text for with <25 yos. What do older women use text for? Hookups mostly, I think, along with random social stuff they are doing, based on what I've seen. Ok, why do I care what older women are doing, lol? Some are in my social circle and I'm curious."

They basically use texting for validation. I pretty much don't text now. I shoot for the Same Night Lay and have started doing phonecalls instead of texts (before the first lay) and just use texting to arrange meeting up. After we bang then we can shoot the shit over text, but before the bang it seems best to keep texting to a minimum because her phone is just a sea of chodes and validation and other conversations she's having to get lost in.

This is also why guys have to GO OUT. Because the world is changing FAST with technology. Most of these dynamics weren't there, or nowhere NEAR at rampant even 10 years ago when I was first getting into game, pre-social media, pre-facebook, pre-cell phones, etc. Guys who aren't out there gaming the <25yo crowd and figuring out how to get their dicks wet and seeing all these societal changes up close just aren't equipped to give pickup advice beyond a certain point…like they can't just apply the stuff that worked in 2005 or works on the 45yo cougars they hang around etc to the <25yo crowd. Gotta go out, gather new reference experiences for how things have changed, and adapt your game. The core concepts stay the same (ie – confidence will always be attractive), but the execution/strategy changes with the times.

That's why it's hard for some guys who aren't going out and banging this crowd to wrap their heads around the stuff I'm saying about how many jacked tall good-looking orbiters hot girls have and how BORED those girls are of looks and how much those girls are looking for emotional stimulation over looks these days…in 2005 pre-social media or the 90s etc shit was different, those girls only knew or met a couple jacked tall guys a year. Now they have dozens orbiting them and boring the fuck out of her because they're at the gym and at the office and "talking" to girls online and on webcam sites and shit, brainwashed by the FI into sending gay texts like the ones I linked before, instead of learning how to cold approach and actually talk to and seduce real live women in person staring them down and touching them seductively and pushing their emotions through the roof etc.


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@Liz
“Porn IS the equation. Particularly since it looks like his fan base is comprised of a bunch of 15,16, 17 year old girls. No, I would not like my daughter to be a porn star subscriber at that age.”

lol tons of girls are having actual flat out sex by age 15 these days. Sex is so not taboo anymore and all their role models in the media are super sexual, why WOULDN’T they? Go feminism lol That’s why James isn’t really phased by young people being interested in sex, he knows when the reporters ask they’re asking from a Blue Pill paradigm like “omg that’s not what it was like when I was that age” and that they have no idea what the culture is like now.

@scribblerg
“today it’s amateurs and young women from all walks of life give it a go when financially desperate.”

Not even when they’re financially desperate. Lots of them just do it for fun or extra money/gifts/etc now. There’s no real taboo around it anymore (in their minds…in reality men will judge them, but the hot 19yo chick getting naked on her webcam doesn’t think there will be consequences when she tries to secure an alpha down the road because she has literally hundreds of guys in her webcam channel every time she flips it on and doesn’t know there are no badass alpha doctors in there, and she isn’t thinking long-term in general), so a hot girl who just wants to make some easy money it’s like, why NOT do it? Especially if she doesn’t have a father figure to try to instill some kind of boundaries on her, just a single mom who’s Eat Pray Loving herself anyway, her friends are all fucking around themselves, etc etc tons of societal factors.

On top of it they don’t have to do any of this anymore:

“She just wrote an email, attached a couple of pics, a few phone convos and boom she had a plane ticket to Florida. She stayed in an apt with other girls that the producer was having filmed.”

Hit up Chaturbate and MyFreeCams and it’s just a jillion normal girls, tons of average to flat out ugly girls ot just hot girls…join a few channels and watch guys just THROWING money at these girls for existing.

A bunch of them don’t even DO anything, they’ll just sit there texting but dressed hot and money flies in. Most of them will chat with the users and shoot the shit about their day with their tits out and make those guys feel like special snowflakes as money flies in. But most of them will full out fuck themselves, ramming giant anal toys up their ass and doing things that would terrify people who grew up in an earlier culture, or they’re getting fucked by a friend or boyfriend/husband, guys are buying them toys, they’re selling their panties etc, while money pours in.

A girl can set this up with like, a $50 webcam and she’s good to go. She’s making money for just masturbating with her camera flipped on when she was going to masturbate anyway…except now she’s made her rent money for the month AND had a FUN time. That’s the key is that most of these girls aren’t performing out of desperation, they’re having a BLAST interacting with their fans and getting validation and having orgasms etc.

There’s a toy that vibrates to the sound of donations, so the more the guys send her the more/harder it vibrates so the girl gets to live out “other guys are in control of my orgasm” fantasies while the guys get to live out “I’m in control of this girl’s orgasm” fantasies etc, win win for everyone. The girls have an ear to ear smile after every orgasm as they thank their fans for helping them get off, and the guys at home are happy because that’s a lot closer to getting a girl off than they’ll ever get in real life.

But when you boil it down, these girls are LITERALLY being paid to orgasm. Like to these girls each orgasm they have is worth a couple hundred dollars or more.

Then these same girls will head out to college or the library or the bar or whatever where normal guys meet them and it’s like, how fucked up is that girl’s perception of her value and sex etc for that Blue Pill guy to settle down with long-term?

Some of them are definitely struggling for money, but a LOT of them are just having fun. They’re going to masturbate anyway, and they have an endless stream of random dudes throwing money at them if they turn their webcam on, they’re not thinking about long-term consequences, so like, why wouldn’t they?

Welcome to 2015, where a HUGE number of girls are mini “pornstars”.

Extrapolate all of this into the social media culture and it’s the same thing, this is just the extreme end. But like, Instagram is the same concept, trading pics of themselves and the most minor amount of their time/attention and guys will throw validation and money and gifts at them. A hot girl on Instagram is getting free gifts, money, offers, etc from dudes, not even to fuck them but just for her to smile and say “omg thanks babe you’re so sweet xoxoxo”

And most of these girls aren’t even HOT lol

“It destroyed her socially though. She regrets it severely. She thought she was going to make huge bucks but in reality she made a total of like 7500 for the three-four scenes she did. She ended up getting some oral STD and it became absessed in her throat and the ER costs took all that money. She came home 3 weeks later broke and now with a social stigma she could never shake.”

The webcam girl stuff takes away a ton of those negatives. No travelling, no dealing with anyone but themselves, no doing anything they don’t want to do, keeping all the $ for themselves (minus some cut the site takes I’m sure), working as much or little as they want, no STDs, and the girls don’t seem to THINK they’ll end up screen-recorded and posted to PornHub etc and that might affect settling down with a guy down the road because they don’t think that far ahead, so they don’t really feel any social stigma…hell, they don’t even have to show their face they can just point the camera at their pussy and watch the money come in.

This is why I say, like, look at a hot 20yo girl’s phone. A lot of them will blow your fucking mind how the world has changed.

That’s also why when people are like “oh, YaReally you just want to jump from girl to girl, what about if your prostate enlarges and you need some 70yo to take care of you” it’s like man I don’t think you understand what the world is like now, it’s not a matter of just “pick a girl and settle down” lol There are a lot of factors that weren’t there even 10 years ago.

Webcams are a good example of what happens when you take away judgement. A lot of these girls are probably angels in real life, where their friends/family have no idea they do this stuff. But once they’re home alone and flip that camera on and get nothing but encouragement and validation instead of judgement, why not make a couple hundred bucks doing something she’s going to do anyway?

Guys with a madonna/whore complex in 2015? Who think they’re going to find some hot young chick who’s only had 1 other partner by age 21? lol…just lol. And to the RFV “American women are all damaged, go to EE and asia to get marriage material women who don’t know what sex is!!”, they have the Internet in EE and asia too lol

And it’s not going to get BETTER…once VR headsets become popular these chicks will have 3d cams set up so the guy can feel like he’s really in the room with her, and they already have toys where the girl can touch them on her end and it’ll make the toy do shit on the guy’s end, so girls will be able to virtually give out handjobs and “fuck” the toys, virtually banging a thousand guys at at time, again while donations pour in (“want me to go faster? 200 tokens and I’ll go faster guys!!”).

In terms of the psychology, just like these guys think they’re badass players donating tokens to these girls and the girls shout “omg hi BigCock47 I’m so glad you came back I love you baby xoxo” and all trying to outdo eachother (since everyone can see who donates what and there’s leaderboards for who’s donated the most etc like a videogame) and all these guys have disposable income because it’s not like they’re out at the bar having social lives etc…psychologically when the VR shit is all set up these guys’ brains will be convinced they’re actually getting laid on the regular because it looks and feels real enough (compared to their options in real life which are zero) for them to happily live inside the Matrix eating their steak they know is fake but is real enough for them to be satisfied.

So as we progress with this technology, if you’re a young hot girl and you don’t want to go flip burgers for minimum wage while you have to juggle school and need to pay off a bunch of student debt etc…why WOULDN’T you set up a webcam? According to the latest Amy Schumer GRRL POWER movies you’ll still end up marrying a rich doctor and living happily ever after.

The consequences of all this, best I can extrapolate off the top of my head is that bars will be fucking EMPTY because most average guys will just stay home with this kind of setup and become way too socially stunted to actually talk to real life girls. And girls will basically all have done some kind of webcam porn or at LEAST have sexy instagram photos up for validation/money at the bare minimum, but will eventually need a guy to give them the emotional rollercoaster manhandling stuff they can’t get from a dildo and guys who can cold approach will clean the fuck up out there lol

But like, society will be super-fucked.

This random cam chick I threw on in the background while typing this just made about $400 while I was typing this pic to talk about her fucking lunch with her tits out, not even showing vag lol And she’d be like a 6 at a nightclub. Meanwhile I gotta go work my ass off after I post this just to slowly grind out my rent money lol

@theasdgamer
“I’d like to know what you use text for with <25 yos. What do older women use text for? Hookups mostly, I think, along with random social stuff they are doing, based on what I've seen. Ok, why do I care what older women are doing, lol? Some are in my social circle and I'm curious."

They basically use texting for validation. I pretty much don't text now. I shoot for the Same Night Lay and have started doing phonecalls instead of texts (before the first lay) and just use texting to arrange meeting up. After we bang then we can shoot the shit over text, but before the bang it seems best to keep texting to a minimum because her phone is just a sea of chodes and validation and other conversations she's having to get lost in.

This is also why guys have to GO OUT. Because the world is changing FAST with technology. Most of these dynamics weren't there, or nowhere NEAR at rampant even 10 years ago when I was first getting into game, pre-social media, pre-facebook, pre-cell phones, etc. Guys who aren't out there gaming the <25yo crowd and figuring out how to get their dicks wet and seeing all these societal changes up close just aren't equipped to give pickup advice beyond a certain point…like they can't just apply the stuff that worked in 2005 or works on the 45yo cougars they hang around etc to the <25yo crowd. Gotta go out, gather new reference experiences for how things have changed, and adapt your game. The core concepts stay the same (ie – confidence will always be attractive), but the execution/strategy changes with the times.

That's why it's hard for some guys who aren't going out and banging this crowd to wrap their heads around the stuff I'm saying about how many jacked tall good-looking orbiters hot girls have and how BORED those girls are of looks and how much those girls are looking for emotional stimulation over looks these days…in 2005 pre-social media or the 90s etc shit was different, those girls only knew or met a couple jacked tall guys a year. Now they have dozens orbiting them and boring the fuck out of her because they're at the gym and at the office and "talking" to girls online and on webcam sites and shit, brainwashed by the FI into sending gay texts like the ones I linked before, instead of learning how to cold approach and actually talk to and seduce real live women in person staring them down and touching them seductively and pushing their emotions through the roof etc.


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YaReally
on December 5th, 2015 at 10:52 am
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@scribblerg
“Yeah, I was only focusing on the porn, not the camgirls”
“As for doing it for fun, well, i’m just not sure about that”

I mean, you can load up the webcams and see for yourself. I named a couple sites, there’s thousands of them on there. Just open one up and watch for a bit and you’ll see a lot of the girls are just having fun on there. Some of them are doing it just for the money, sure, but like, just watch it.

I saw one girl who was getting off and her hubby comes in in his work uniform from his job and just slapped her ass and made himself a sandwich and walked away lol Dude gave zero fucks and they were in a nice house so they’re clearly not strapped for cash. But his wife is probably an exhibitionist and she’s not fucking anyone or getting into any private one on one flirting, she’s getting her orgasms taken care of all day (so she doesn’t have to cheat on him) and making some spending cash for herself and I’m sure fucked the shit out of her later that night lol

Like the chicks shoving giant anal dildos up their ass aren’t doing it because some guy out of the 150+ guys in her chat room is dangling a tip “I’ll give you 500 if you shove that huge fist-shaped dildo up your ass, how you gonna buy your heroin and feed your kids with out this?? do it, slut!!” She’s literally like “omg you guys I bought a new dildo for my collection, I love this one I haven’t tried it yet I don’t even know if I can fit it but I’m going to try tonight!! I’m so excited! What’s that DickDude55? You want me to shove a can of coke up my ass? No that’s too much, and I’m kicking you out of chat for being rude! (because she has 100+ other people watching, she doesn’t need that guy’s money) and she’s sitting in a room full of miscellaneous shit like she’s not in some bare apartment with a mattress on the ground and a bare lightbulb hanging from the ceiling. Hell some of them are even living at home and just up in their bedroom trying to keep quiet with their parents out or in the basement etc.

“The former porn star tried the camming thing too, it’s very hard to make real money doing it, fyi. The competition is global and unless you are a superstar and work it fulltime, a girl won’t make shit. On her best day ever she made like 200 bucks and had costs to do that. And that was after being on cam for 11 hours.”

This is silly, come on man. You’re trusting this chick’s opinion instead of just looking for yourself and watching the girls token count go up and doing the math on how much these chicks make for a few hours of their time. This is so silly to me lol, just go open some of these windows and count the numbers going by. Guys will donate literally $10 – $100 at a time. I’ve seen $500 donations even. ESPECIALLY for the girls who have the “higher donations cause this toy to vibrate harder” thing set up (it’s super popular on Chaturbate), guys get caught up in trying to get the girl off a bunch of times and throw money at her.

Now SOME of them make almost nothing…but generally those are the ones who just go on cam and don’t really interact with people and just sit there expecting to get donations without giving anything away for free or give too MUCH away for free or set too high a donation goal for what they’re offering ($500 for me to take off my shirt lol no) etc etc etc Your girl might just have been a shitty marketer. I’m sure your porn chick is a nice girl but she’s just making excuses for her failure the same way I might say it’s impossible to get a 6-pack to excuse me not doing well at my diet, and you’re buying into it instead of doing your own research. Plus tech and culture change fast, if your girl was doing webcam porn in like, 2011 that’s VERY different than 2015.

Like I say, just open a few girls cams and see for yourself.

“My friend was socially destroyed by guys and girls for doing porn, recently.”

Like I said, they THINK there won’t be reprocussions. Webcams is MUCH more casual than actual “flew to LA to do a porn shoot with Ron Jeremy”. And part of it is how she handles it (note how this girl is just agreeing & amplifying):

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oregon-webcam-girl-kendra-sunderland-interview-article-1.2105248

Like, hmmm, how to describe it…does that library cam girl look like she’s desperate for money and she’s getting naked in the library because she’s like, got a heroin addiction to feed and some sleazy pimp is behind the camera going “now lick his asshole, do it you fucking slut you signed the contract!!”? That’s what people think when you say “pornstar”, but these webcam girls like, watch that chick, she’s just having FUN the same way girls at the club might makeout with eachother or show some tits in a selfie when they’re drinking and having a good time and no one really gives a shit. They may not date her long-term and girls may still hate on her, but my point is that the webcam type stuff doesn’t carry the same stigma the porn industry carries. If anything these girls are practically entrepreneurs lol

A good analogy since you hang around strippers is it’s the difference between the stumbling drunk/drugged stripper who looks like she’s there because she’s feeding an addiction or can’t escape and is trapped and is up there doing degrading shit and flirt with creepy gross guys because they need the money and you just kind of feel sorry for her, VS the strippers who are like, they go up and only get as naked as they want to and only approach and dance for guys they think are decent and they’re stone cold sober and can hold a conversation and they’re just there to make some money to help with school before they go off to do whatever career or use their looks and exposure for modelling careers or they just LOVE to dance and it’s a great way to stay in shape and the money and attention is a nice bonus to it etc where you’re kind of like “oh, this girl isn’t one of those fucked up damage cases, I almost respect her attitude wtf”

Like, the porn industry has a sleazy reputation, but webcam girls are just kind of girls having fun. I think part of it is that the girls are often solo or with their partner, so there’s less “she probably got gangbanged by 10 guys with STDs”, and a lot of the time between orgasms they’re just talking about normal shit to their audience and flirting the same way you might just Skype with a girl and try to get her naked on cam for you.

“The occasional mean girl will post something about her porn career with regularity, it’s quite common for porn stars to go through this I think.”

Again I don’t know what year this was but it comes down to the porn industry having a sleazier reputation/stereotype and how she handles it etc

“@Sun – To claim all women who strip or do porn are BPD or cluster B is your bias, not a fact. While sure, some are, just as many strippers are hot girls who figured out that their looks will make them money a hell of a lot quicker than waiting tables.”

Again it’s a lot different now than 10-20+ years ago. I know a couple stripclubs around me where most of the girls have their shit together and are just there because it’s way better money than other jobs and they like to dance and enjoy it and aren’t repressed about their sexuality and aren’t like, sucking dick for an extra $20 in the alleyway lol I think that’s a product of the times and how our culture is so cool with sex now, at least in women’s minds.

I chill with strippers a bunch, my buddy and I start the night at various stripclubs every couple weeks…we just have a drink and flirt and bail, we don’t buy them dances or even drinks lol We just practice spiking their buying temp and lasering them and doing push/pull and building rapport etc. A lot of them are just normal chicks who did the math and realized working two shitty low paying jobs while they’re full-time in school is retarded when they can make hundreds a night dancing (and get their workout in). Some of them are definitely the damage cases but like, it’s really not as bad as people stereotype it all to be.

Again there are DEFINTIELY a ton of damage cases, and crazy BPD etc, don’t get me wrong lol But I don’t think it’s a fair stereotype to paint them all with. It might depend on the city too, I live in a university town so the strippers here are often college girls who need side work but legitimately have ambitions…VS like, some Buttfuck Smalltown, Wisconson where the girls are going nowhere and trapped stripping longer than they want to etc.

Also how’s moving coming? You see any chance of it happening anytime in the next 6 months to a year? You need to be around hotter girls and a better nightlife scene. It’s amazing how much more fun going out and approaching girls gets when the girl who’s rejecting you is at least a 9 instead of some shitty 6 you don’t even WANT lol I’m not exaggerating either, it’s genuinely energizing and a huge dopamine rush to walk into a room full of hot girls, for me at least. If I didn’t see hot girls around I would be miserable…that’s part of why I go to the kiddie nightclubs still, it’s like visiting a fountain of youth and joy lol

@theasdgamer
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Prostate enlargement sounds shitty, I have no idea what that has to do with fucking an old chick who’s hair falls out lol

“Doesn’t interest me. 100% of them were loopy as fuck with issues out the ass. That developed in to me giving the advice to any friend looking to date a stripper to just not do it. I realize there’s exceptions to any rule, but if a particular profession attracts that many headcases it’s a good rule of thumb to just avoid them and look elsewhere.”

The interesting thing to think about is what exactly is it that makes strippers and pornstars all fucked up? Like let’s go with the theory that ya they are all crazy cluster-B loopy crazies, because that IS common…what causes that? Well, what IS a stripclub? It’s a room full of men showering her with validation, giving her rewards (money, gifts, attention, compliments, etc) for being sexual, no one judging her (to her face), and her ego is shooting through the roof as she becomes the most important girl in the world in her mind and becomes super entitled and gets used to men letting her walk all over them and let her get away with anything.

In like 2000 or even 2005 or whenever Facebook was invented, the girls who weren’t working in stripclubs were normal girls with normal levels of validation and attention etc…but in 2015 how what I described a stripclub being really any different than the DAILY life from age 14-21 of the average girl who’s got an Instagram, Tinder, etc? Scary thought hey? lol

@Liz
“I just didn’t think any normal person would elect to do something like that intentionally.”

World’s changed, grandma lol

“So, I guess my future grandchildren will be born from some twelve year old girl who is probably getting it up the ass as I type?”

It’s not impossible.

“When my husband and I started dating she gave us a disturbing basket filled with a weird assortment of sex toys. It was almost, kind of hostile. Her weird friends were like that too.”

“disturbing” “weird” “hostile” toys…you sure sound fun in bed. lol

@Anonymous Reader
“Twenty plus years ago”

lol thanks, that’s what I was going to point out. Dat’ solipsism in action.

“they tend to collect experiences. That is, they have a bucket list and they want to do those things, moreso than accumulate money like the Boomers did.”

This is the impression I get. My theory off the top of my head is that in the past chicks didn’t really have money/jobs to the extent they do now, and guys were spending their money on girls, but now that girls have their own money they don’t need guys’ money so both genders feel like they have an abundance and can focus on experiences. And since everyone tells them they’re perfect in this “everyone’s a winner” culture we have, they don’t really visualize that the money will run out or be harder to earn at some point and they should be saving it. YOLO and all that.

As a funny experiment ask a single 30+yo “career woman” what she visualizes her life at 55 to be like. Does she visualize waking up with a sore back and drudging off to her pointless office HR job where her boss hates her and she feels like she’s about to get fired every day for the younger hotter more qualified girls with more up to date skills? They never do lol Their visualization of their future tends to end around the 35yo mark, like they picture themselves being one of the Sex & The City girls and then their brain just blanks from there and from there it’s literally like “and then everything will just work out” and if you press them they might assume they’ll just meet the perfect husband out of the blue at some point and live happily ever after, but usually they just don’t have any description for past that point.

Whereas with men we tend to picture “no one gives a shit about me so I’m going to have to work my ass off till I can retire”, but with the entitlement that kids are raised these days it’s hard to say if they even think that way anymore. I don’t talk to many <25yo guys lol

That's just my super uneducated guess though, I don't follow economics or politics or anything so I may be way off. Hell maybe I'll turn that into a routine lol

"How that will play out as they age I can’t quite fathom."

I don't think it'll be good lol Or at least it'll get worse before it gets better. A lot of this generation will serve as a warning sign for the next generation.

@Andy @Sun Wukong
"Thanks for the tips. I’ll make use of ’em when I’m tagging your wife."
"Oh snap. Not sure you could get it up. She’s way under 250lb."
"Seeing as I was able to get it up for that dirty slut you call a mom, I’ll be fine."

Finally a GOOD exchange around here instead of that weird spergy trying-too-hard AMOG shit I always cringe at.

@Anonymous Reader
"Be all that as it may, from what I can tell plenty of 20-somethings are living like musicians, holding down 2 or 3 or more part time gigs that sorta almost adds up to one full time. The Obama economic boom has definitely affected them. Experience collecting, hang-out-Netflixing-and-chill social scene, bunches of female Deen fans, that all sort of goes together along with the FR’s YaReally is putting out."

This all gels with my experiences with the <25yo crowd. I actually think a lot of girls get multiple easy jobs just to SOUND like they're sooper srs career girls lol The girls and boys also seem to spend a lot longer in school and building UP to having a job now too, like they're scared to finally jump in and start a career so they try to stall for time before they have to really "grow up" and be adults. I've met a LOT of <30yo girls who still live at home with their parents while they go to school etc and aren't even ashamed of it whereas I think the culture in the past was a lot more "ok you're 18 go make something of yourself." But again I'm not real well-versed in this stuff, it's not a topic that interests me so I don't really discuss it or pay much attention to it.

@averagechump
"No one I know supports or gives a shit about my pursuits in solving this problem. They always say things like: “Oh it’ll just happen” or “Why do you care about shit like that? Don’t you have better things to do?” I’m assuming its the same with most people in the manosphere who are legitimately trying to fix their problems with meeting and attracting women. All we have is our own volition, and some words and pickup videos online."

lol yup. Hell, we didn't even have the amount of words and pickup videos and shit you guys have now back when I started. If someone told me about some of the resources you have access to now, for free, that teach this stuff back when I was starting out I would have been mindblown. Ain't no shortcuts though, and nobody gives a shit but yourself. In fact yourself doesn't even give a shit…your brain doesn't actually care if you're HAPPY, it just cares that you're alive. It'll even work AGAINST you telling you "don't approach that girl, that's risky, just stay home and watch porn and play xbox that's nice and safe and you'll survive another day" and convince you not to approach her. So even your own BRAIN is your enemy right now lol

"I am actually a pretty good looking guy too. But for some reason it doesn’t seem to mean shit."
"What sucks even more is that I am actually pretty smart, very physically fit, I’ll probably do very well financially in the future, and I’ve done a lot of difficult things in the past that make me proud of myself, but for some reason none of this means shit in comparison to becoming good at meeting and attracting women."

^^^^^ hmmm…any advice Rollo? ;)

"Every week I go out usually once or twice, and pretty much always on a friday or saturday night (the busiest and loudest nights of the week), and I always do it on my own. Then I enter the place and my mind goes nuts; there are AMOG’s puffing their chests everywhere; everything is loud and intimidating. I can’t handle it past ten minutes so I end up leaving the place defeated, always feeling worse than before."

lol ready for something so simple and obvious that you'll kick yourself for not thinking of it?

Say a nightclub opens at 9pm like most of them do.

Nightclubs at 9-9:30pm:

Nightclubs at 9:30-10pm:

https://melovesmints.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/cimg0312.jpg?w=450&h=337

Nightclubs at 10-11pm:



Nightclubs when YOU probably get there:

Get it? ;)

Go earlier and be one of the first people there…the music will be quieter, there won't be a chaotic crowd, people will be sober and not all over the map in energy levels, guys won't be all drunk and ballsy aggressive and puffing their chests yet, hot waitresses and bartenders will be bored, the first girls that arrive will be bored and probably sitting near-ish to the dance floor just killing time and feeling as weird about being there early as you do, go over and joke about how you're all way too early and introduce yourself.

When I go solo and I'm walking in there sober I always go early because if I walk in at midnight into the middle of chaos it can be overwhelming. But by going just a couple hours earlier my entire night could be different. I might chat up a hot bartender and make her laugh (she's bored, there's no customers yet but you and a few other people) so whoever else is there sees it, then use that preselection to open whatever bored set of girls (or mixed set if I have to) that got there early like me and joke about how we're all going to be hammered by the time people show up and make small talk and just be cool and now when other people arrive I look like I have friends and I'm feeling more social and can go over to get myself a drink (or a redbull/water if I'm being sober that night) beside some girls and cheers them and try an opener/routine or just shoot the shit, they're sober and the club is still pretty empty so they'll probably be friendly. From there you can introduce people to eachother, or push that as far as you can, or bring girls that pass by into the conversation, and build momentum etc and if the club gets too chaotic you can leave but you've already had an hour or two of talking to girls. Who knows maybe shoot for a number close if you click with a girl.

And when you go early you don't need epic openers, just greet them and shoot the shit like you would with casual friends from work that showed up or whatever. So you can lower the threshold for what you have to open with…like "wow this place is dead hey? Have you two been here before? I didn't know what time to come lol" It's nothing amazing but like, who cares? Baby steps, this is just to get you feeling more comfortable in the environment.

And if you're out late and it's a warm part of the year, go stand in lineups and just chat the girls in front of you, then try to grab their number and just leave the lineup when it gets close to the door ("oh my friend txted me to come to this other bar") and then go line up at the back of the line behind some cute girls and chat them up, no one will notice lol

Patios are usually a little more chill (quieter music, no crazy lights, less chaos) than the main areas, though they'll usually fill up later in the night too.

Street game is chill too, just walk around the streets in the bar district and chat with girls…chicks who are smoking outside the bar entrance are just standing there for a few min, chat them up. Ask random girls and groups for directions to some random bar and try to keep the conversation going if you can.

Lots of ways to get around the chaos lol Thursdays are usually good nights too because people want to be out but it's not as crazy a night or crowd as a Fri/Sat, but Fri/Sat is better for pulling.

"Then the next day when I tried to make a plan for a date she said she wasn’t interested and bailed. It was a solid rejection, and it made me feel like total shit. I sat on the couch for a whole hour thinking: “What the fuck did I do wrong? – Was it shitty body posture? – A needy disposition? – What the fuck?”"

Need more detailed info to diagnose but don't stress numbers too much. In 2015 numbers are flakey as fuck, it's hard to tell why a girl 180's there could be a thousand reasons, some of them your fault, some of them her fault, some of them just bad luck from the universe.

If it's going well, try to just keep it going as long as you can and try to pull isntead. But if you have to get a number:

"The thing is, at the moment becoming good at game seems more like a mystical, unobtainable goal to me. It seems fucking impossible."

Nah, you sound like you want it. Put in the work and you'll get it. It's like any other skillset, if you handed me a guitar right now I would just mash the strings like a retard. But if I took it seriously and studied and practiced I would be able to play it down the road at some point. Might take me a while, might not, it mostly depends on the effort I put in and the resources/information I use to educate myself, but at some point I'll be able to play that thing because I want that skill.

"What does a man have to do to overcome the anxiety experienced in these loud social settings? – Do I just need to go out more and learn to suck it up and deal with it?"

Exposure. Same way you'd get over a fear of spiders by letting one crawl on your hand a bunch. It would be scary as fuck at first but over time you'd get more comfortable. You're in freakout mode right now. But it's fine, we were ALL there. Even RSDTyler's first posts online were bitching about "I hate nightclubs how the fuck am I supposed to game in these stupid places it's too loud it's chaos all the guys are assholes all the girls are bitchy fuck this fuck nightclubs how does anyone even TALK to anyone in them let alone get laid?!?!" lol But now he destroys them and is probably more comfortable in a nightclub than other venues at this point. I was the same way, that's why I had to figure out tricks like going early and finding the quieter parts of the venues etc

"What did any of ya’ll (yareally, rollo) have to do to make the final jump of ruthlessly going out and becoming good with women? – Where did ya’ll go? – What was your game plan?"

My life story:
http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/6/#comment-heartiste-345976

And more of a gameplan aspect of my life story:
http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/1/#comment-heartiste-402111

Here's Tyler's life story:

Here's Julien's life story:

"Did you become discouraged as hell while trying?"

All the fucking time lol I still have bad nights now and then and they still sting just as much.

Quotes from my archive:

"There were a LOT of bullshit nights. Nights where I’d go out, wander around for 6 hours, see a bunch of girls I WANTED to approach but pussied out of approaching, then go home not having talked to a soul, kicking myself for being such a loser. Nights where I could tell right from the start that I wasn’t feeling the vibe and would just stick it out through it. So many frustrating depressing unforgiving mentally-draining painful nights, I can’t even describe it in a way that guys who haven’t gone through it could wrap their heads around it."

"Also I wasn’t slaying pussy left and right, I had a ton of nights like the Friday you describe here. Hell, I would’ve WISHED for a night like your Friday…you actually TALKED to people. I shit you not, probably half the nights I went out I was going out solo and would spend like 9pm-2am wandering around just trying to work up the balls to do a SINGLE approach, and probably half of THOSE nights I wouldn’t even manage to open that one set and I would go home kicking myself feeling like a loser."

"It’s just tonight I went out, attempting to get over the rejection"

"Now I feel like hell, wondering what I can do to become good."

Keep at it. You'll be fine. :)

@hoellenhund2
"So, what’s the story here?"

redlight has already answered you twice now.

"And yet it’s now obvious that not even his extraordinary skills can prevent his former sexual partners from accusing him of being a sadistic, violent rapist and ruining his career in the process."

Picking up girls, fucking girls, and maintaining relationships with girls are 3 different areas. Being good at one or two doesn't mean you'll be good at the other(s).

"Isn’t this something we normally associate with beta losers with zero social skills or very screwed-up attitudes towards women?"

I've never said that. In fact I've repeatedly said that lots of Naturals have drama and false rape accusations and girls that hate them because they don't manage Buyer's Remorse well since they didn't study PUA.

Saturday night tonight everyone, get out there and give girls the gift of meeting you. Otherwise they'll have to masturbate on their webcams while keyser throws his life savings away trying to get them to take off their shirt.


YaReally
on December 5th, 2015 at 10:52 am
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YaReally
on December 5th, 2015 at 10:52 am
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@scribblerg
“Yeah, I was only focusing on the porn, not the camgirls”
“As for doing it for fun, well, i’m just not sure about that”

I mean, you can load up the webcams and see for yourself. I named a couple sites, there’s thousands of them on there. Just open one up and watch for a bit and you’ll see a lot of the girls are just having fun on there. Some of them are doing it just for the money, sure, but like, just watch it.

I saw one girl who was getting off and her hubby comes in in his work uniform from his job and just slapped her ass and made himself a sandwich and walked away lol Dude gave zero fucks and they were in a nice house so they’re clearly not strapped for cash. But his wife is probably an exhibitionist and she’s not fucking anyone or getting into any private one on one flirting, she’s getting her orgasms taken care of all day (so she doesn’t have to cheat on him) and making some spending cash for herself and I’m sure fucked the shit out of her later that night lol

Like the chicks shoving giant anal dildos up their ass aren’t doing it because some guy out of the 150+ guys in her chat room is dangling a tip “I’ll give you 500 if you shove that huge fist-shaped dildo up your ass, how you gonna buy your heroin and feed your kids with out this?? do it, slut!!” She’s literally like “omg you guys I bought a new dildo for my collection, I love this one I haven’t tried it yet I don’t even know if I can fit it but I’m going to try tonight!! I’m so excited! What’s that DickDude55? You want me to shove a can of coke up my ass? No that’s too much, and I’m kicking you out of chat for being rude! (because she has 100+ other people watching, she doesn’t need that guy’s money) and she’s sitting in a room full of miscellaneous shit like she’s not in some bare apartment with a mattress on the ground and a bare lightbulb hanging from the ceiling. Hell some of them are even living at home and just up in their bedroom trying to keep quiet with their parents out or in the basement etc.

“The former porn star tried the camming thing too, it’s very hard to make real money doing it, fyi. The competition is global and unless you are a superstar and work it fulltime, a girl won’t make shit. On her best day ever she made like 200 bucks and had costs to do that. And that was after being on cam for 11 hours.”

This is silly, come on man. You’re trusting this chick’s opinion instead of just looking for yourself and watching the girls token count go up and doing the math on how much these chicks make for a few hours of their time. This is so silly to me lol, just go open some of these windows and count the numbers going by. Guys will donate literally $10 – $100 at a time. I’ve seen $500 donations even. ESPECIALLY for the girls who have the “higher donations cause this toy to vibrate harder” thing set up (it’s super popular on Chaturbate), guys get caught up in trying to get the girl off a bunch of times and throw money at her.

Now SOME of them make almost nothing…but generally those are the ones who just go on cam and don’t really interact with people and just sit there expecting to get donations without giving anything away for free or give too MUCH away for free or set too high a donation goal for what they’re offering ($500 for me to take off my shirt lol no) etc etc etc Your girl might just have been a shitty marketer. I’m sure your porn chick is a nice girl but she’s just making excuses for her failure the same way I might say it’s impossible to get a 6-pack to excuse me not doing well at my diet, and you’re buying into it instead of doing your own research. Plus tech and culture change fast, if your girl was doing webcam porn in like, 2011 that’s VERY different than 2015.

Like I say, just open a few girls cams and see for yourself.

“My friend was socially destroyed by guys and girls for doing porn, recently.”

Like I said, they THINK there won’t be reprocussions. Webcams is MUCH more casual than actual “flew to LA to do a porn shoot with Ron Jeremy”. And part of it is how she handles it (note how this girl is just agreeing & amplifying):

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oregon-webcam-girl-kendra-sunderland-interview-article-1.2105248

Like, hmmm, how to describe it…does that library cam girl look like she’s desperate for money and she’s getting naked in the library because she’s like, got a heroin addiction to feed and some sleazy pimp is behind the camera going “now lick his asshole, do it you fucking slut you signed the contract!!”? That’s what people think when you say “pornstar”, but these webcam girls like, watch that chick, she’s just having FUN the same way girls at the club might makeout with eachother or show some tits in a selfie when they’re drinking and having a good time and no one really gives a shit. They may not date her long-term and girls may still hate on her, but my point is that the webcam type stuff doesn’t carry the same stigma the porn industry carries. If anything these girls are practically entrepreneurs lol

A good analogy since you hang around strippers is it’s the difference between the stumbling drunk/drugged stripper who looks like she’s there because she’s feeding an addiction or can’t escape and is trapped and is up there doing degrading shit and flirt with creepy gross guys because they need the money and you just kind of feel sorry for her, VS the strippers who are like, they go up and only get as naked as they want to and only approach and dance for guys they think are decent and they’re stone cold sober and can hold a conversation and they’re just there to make some money to help with school before they go off to do whatever career or use their looks and exposure for modelling careers or they just LOVE to dance and it’s a great way to stay in shape and the money and attention is a nice bonus to it etc where you’re kind of like “oh, this girl isn’t one of those fucked up damage cases, I almost respect her attitude wtf”

Like, the porn industry has a sleazy reputation, but webcam girls are just kind of girls having fun. I think part of it is that the girls are often solo or with their partner, so there’s less “she probably got gangbanged by 10 guys with STDs”, and a lot of the time between orgasms they’re just talking about normal shit to their audience and flirting the same way you might just Skype with a girl and try to get her naked on cam for you.

“The occasional mean girl will post something about her porn career with regularity, it’s quite common for porn stars to go through this I think.”

Again I don’t know what year this was but it comes down to the porn industry having a sleazier reputation/stereotype and how she handles it etc

“@Sun – To claim all women who strip or do porn are BPD or cluster B is your bias, not a fact. While sure, some are, just as many strippers are hot girls who figured out that their looks will make them money a hell of a lot quicker than waiting tables.”

Again it’s a lot different now than 10-20+ years ago. I know a couple stripclubs around me where most of the girls have their shit together and are just there because it’s way better money than other jobs and they like to dance and enjoy it and aren’t repressed about their sexuality and aren’t like, sucking dick for an extra $20 in the alleyway lol I think that’s a product of the times and how our culture is so cool with sex now, at least in women’s minds.

I chill with strippers a bunch, my buddy and I start the night at various stripclubs every couple weeks…we just have a drink and flirt and bail, we don’t buy them dances or even drinks lol We just practice spiking their buying temp and lasering them and doing push/pull and building rapport etc. A lot of them are just normal chicks who did the math and realized working two shitty low paying jobs while they’re full-time in school is retarded when they can make hundreds a night dancing (and get their workout in). Some of them are definitely the damage cases but like, it’s really not as bad as people stereotype it all to be.

Again there are DEFINTIELY a ton of damage cases, and crazy BPD etc, don’t get me wrong lol But I don’t think it’s a fair stereotype to paint them all with. It might depend on the city too, I live in a university town so the strippers here are often college girls who need side work but legitimately have ambitions…VS like, some Buttfuck Smalltown, Wisconson where the girls are going nowhere and trapped stripping longer than they want to etc.

Also how’s moving coming? You see any chance of it happening anytime in the next 6 months to a year? You need to be around hotter girls and a better nightlife scene. It’s amazing how much more fun going out and approaching girls gets when the girl who’s rejecting you is at least a 9 instead of some shitty 6 you don’t even WANT lol I’m not exaggerating either, it’s genuinely energizing and a huge dopamine rush to walk into a room full of hot girls, for me at least. If I didn’t see hot girls around I would be miserable…that’s part of why I go to the kiddie nightclubs still, it’s like visiting a fountain of youth and joy lol

@theasdgamer
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Prostate enlargement sounds shitty, I have no idea what that has to do with fucking an old chick who’s hair falls out lol

“Doesn’t interest me. 100% of them were loopy as fuck with issues out the ass. That developed in to me giving the advice to any friend looking to date a stripper to just not do it. I realize there’s exceptions to any rule, but if a particular profession attracts that many headcases it’s a good rule of thumb to just avoid them and look elsewhere.”

The interesting thing to think about is what exactly is it that makes strippers and pornstars all fucked up? Like let’s go with the theory that ya they are all crazy cluster-B loopy crazies, because that IS common…what causes that? Well, what IS a stripclub? It’s a room full of men showering her with validation, giving her rewards (money, gifts, attention, compliments, etc) for being sexual, no one judging her (to her face), and her ego is shooting through the roof as she becomes the most important girl in the world in her mind and becomes super entitled and gets used to men letting her walk all over them and let her get away with anything.

In like 2000 or even 2005 or whenever Facebook was invented, the girls who weren’t working in stripclubs were normal girls with normal levels of validation and attention etc…but in 2015 how what I described a stripclub being really any different than the DAILY life from age 14-21 of the average girl who’s got an Instagram, Tinder, etc? Scary thought hey? lol

@Liz
“I just didn’t think any normal person would elect to do something like that intentionally.”

World’s changed, grandma lol

“So, I guess my future grandchildren will be born from some twelve year old girl who is probably getting it up the ass as I type?”

It’s not impossible.

“When my husband and I started dating she gave us a disturbing basket filled with a weird assortment of sex toys. It was almost, kind of hostile. Her weird friends were like that too.”

“disturbing” “weird” “hostile” toys…you sure sound fun in bed. lol

@Anonymous Reader
“Twenty plus years ago”

lol thanks, that’s what I was going to point out. Dat’ solipsism in action.

“they tend to collect experiences. That is, they have a bucket list and they want to do those things, moreso than accumulate money like the Boomers did.”

This is the impression I get. My theory off the top of my head is that in the past chicks didn’t really have money/jobs to the extent they do now, and guys were spending their money on girls, but now that girls have their own money they don’t need guys’ money so both genders feel like they have an abundance and can focus on experiences. And since everyone tells them they’re perfect in this “everyone’s a winner” culture we have, they don’t really visualize that the money will run out or be harder to earn at some point and they should be saving it. YOLO and all that.

As a funny experiment ask a single 30+yo “career woman” what she visualizes her life at 55 to be like. Does she visualize waking up with a sore back and drudging off to her pointless office HR job where her boss hates her and she feels like she’s about to get fired every day for the younger hotter more qualified girls with more up to date skills? They never do lol Their visualization of their future tends to end around the 35yo mark, like they picture themselves being one of the Sex & The City girls and then their brain just blanks from there and from there it’s literally like “and then everything will just work out” and if you press them they might assume they’ll just meet the perfect husband out of the blue at some point and live happily ever after, but usually they just don’t have any description for past that point.

Whereas with men we tend to picture “no one gives a shit about me so I’m going to have to work my ass off till I can retire”, but with the entitlement that kids are raised these days it’s hard to say if they even think that way anymore. I don’t talk to many <25yo guys lol

That's just my super uneducated guess though, I don't follow economics or politics or anything so I may be way off. Hell maybe I'll turn that into a routine lol

"How that will play out as they age I can’t quite fathom."

I don't think it'll be good lol Or at least it'll get worse before it gets better. A lot of this generation will serve as a warning sign for the next generation.

@Andy @Sun Wukong
"Thanks for the tips. I’ll make use of ’em when I’m tagging your wife."
"Oh snap. Not sure you could get it up. She’s way under 250lb."
"Seeing as I was able to get it up for that dirty slut you call a mom, I’ll be fine."

Finally a GOOD exchange around here instead of that weird spergy trying-too-hard AMOG shit I always cringe at.

@Anonymous Reader
"Be all that as it may, from what I can tell plenty of 20-somethings are living like musicians, holding down 2 or 3 or more part time gigs that sorta almost adds up to one full time. The Obama economic boom has definitely affected them. Experience collecting, hang-out-Netflixing-and-chill social scene, bunches of female Deen fans, that all sort of goes together along with the FR’s YaReally is putting out."

This all gels with my experiences with the <25yo crowd. I actually think a lot of girls get multiple easy jobs just to SOUND like they're sooper srs career girls lol The girls and boys also seem to spend a lot longer in school and building UP to having a job now too, like they're scared to finally jump in and start a career so they try to stall for time before they have to really "grow up" and be adults. I've met a LOT of <30yo girls who still live at home with their parents while they go to school etc and aren't even ashamed of it whereas I think the culture in the past was a lot more "ok you're 18 go make something of yourself." But again I'm not real well-versed in this stuff, it's not a topic that interests me so I don't really discuss it or pay much attention to it.

@averagechump
"No one I know supports or gives a shit about my pursuits in solving this problem. They always say things like: “Oh it’ll just happen” or “Why do you care about shit like that? Don’t you have better things to do?” I’m assuming its the same with most people in the manosphere who are legitimately trying to fix their problems with meeting and attracting women. All we have is our own volition, and some words and pickup videos online."

lol yup. Hell, we didn't even have the amount of words and pickup videos and shit you guys have now back when I started. If someone told me about some of the resources you have access to now, for free, that teach this stuff back when I was starting out I would have been mindblown. Ain't no shortcuts though, and nobody gives a shit but yourself. In fact yourself doesn't even give a shit…your brain doesn't actually care if you're HAPPY, it just cares that you're alive. It'll even work AGAINST you telling you "don't approach that girl, that's risky, just stay home and watch porn and play xbox that's nice and safe and you'll survive another day" and convince you not to approach her. So even your own BRAIN is your enemy right now lol

"I am actually a pretty good looking guy too. But for some reason it doesn’t seem to mean shit."
"What sucks even more is that I am actually pretty smart, very physically fit, I’ll probably do very well financially in the future, and I’ve done a lot of difficult things in the past that make me proud of myself, but for some reason none of this means shit in comparison to becoming good at meeting and attracting women."

^^^^^ hmmm…any advice Rollo? πŸ˜‰

"Every week I go out usually once or twice, and pretty much always on a friday or saturday night (the busiest and loudest nights of the week), and I always do it on my own. Then I enter the place and my mind goes nuts; there are AMOG’s puffing their chests everywhere; everything is loud and intimidating. I can’t handle it past ten minutes so I end up leaving the place defeated, always feeling worse than before."

lol ready for something so simple and obvious that you'll kick yourself for not thinking of it?

Say a nightclub opens at 9pm like most of them do.

Nightclubs at 9-9:30pm:

Nightclubs at 9:30-10pm:

https://melovesmints.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/cimg0312.jpg?w=450&h=337

Nightclubs at 10-11pm:



Nightclubs when YOU probably get there:

Get it? πŸ˜‰

Go earlier and be one of the first people there…the music will be quieter, there won't be a chaotic crowd, people will be sober and not all over the map in energy levels, guys won't be all drunk and ballsy aggressive and puffing their chests yet, hot waitresses and bartenders will be bored, the first girls that arrive will be bored and probably sitting near-ish to the dance floor just killing time and feeling as weird about being there early as you do, go over and joke about how you're all way too early and introduce yourself.

When I go solo and I'm walking in there sober I always go early because if I walk in at midnight into the middle of chaos it can be overwhelming. But by going just a couple hours earlier my entire night could be different. I might chat up a hot bartender and make her laugh (she's bored, there's no customers yet but you and a few other people) so whoever else is there sees it, then use that preselection to open whatever bored set of girls (or mixed set if I have to) that got there early like me and joke about how we're all going to be hammered by the time people show up and make small talk and just be cool and now when other people arrive I look like I have friends and I'm feeling more social and can go over to get myself a drink (or a redbull/water if I'm being sober that night) beside some girls and cheers them and try an opener/routine or just shoot the shit, they're sober and the club is still pretty empty so they'll probably be friendly. From there you can introduce people to eachother, or push that as far as you can, or bring girls that pass by into the conversation, and build momentum etc and if the club gets too chaotic you can leave but you've already had an hour or two of talking to girls. Who knows maybe shoot for a number close if you click with a girl.

And when you go early you don't need epic openers, just greet them and shoot the shit like you would with casual friends from work that showed up or whatever. So you can lower the threshold for what you have to open with…like "wow this place is dead hey? Have you two been here before? I didn't know what time to come lol" It's nothing amazing but like, who cares? Baby steps, this is just to get you feeling more comfortable in the environment.

And if you're out late and it's a warm part of the year, go stand in lineups and just chat the girls in front of you, then try to grab their number and just leave the lineup when it gets close to the door ("oh my friend txted me to come to this other bar") and then go line up at the back of the line behind some cute girls and chat them up, no one will notice lol

Patios are usually a little more chill (quieter music, no crazy lights, less chaos) than the main areas, though they'll usually fill up later in the night too.

Street game is chill too, just walk around the streets in the bar district and chat with girls…chicks who are smoking outside the bar entrance are just standing there for a few min, chat them up. Ask random girls and groups for directions to some random bar and try to keep the conversation going if you can.

Lots of ways to get around the chaos lol Thursdays are usually good nights too because people want to be out but it's not as crazy a night or crowd as a Fri/Sat, but Fri/Sat is better for pulling.

"Then the next day when I tried to make a plan for a date she said she wasn’t interested and bailed. It was a solid rejection, and it made me feel like total shit. I sat on the couch for a whole hour thinking: “What the fuck did I do wrong? – Was it shitty body posture? – A needy disposition? – What the fuck?”"

Need more detailed info to diagnose but don't stress numbers too much. In 2015 numbers are flakey as fuck, it's hard to tell why a girl 180's there could be a thousand reasons, some of them your fault, some of them her fault, some of them just bad luck from the universe.

If it's going well, try to just keep it going as long as you can and try to pull isntead. But if you have to get a number:

"The thing is, at the moment becoming good at game seems more like a mystical, unobtainable goal to me. It seems fucking impossible."

Nah, you sound like you want it. Put in the work and you'll get it. It's like any other skillset, if you handed me a guitar right now I would just mash the strings like a retard. But if I took it seriously and studied and practiced I would be able to play it down the road at some point. Might take me a while, might not, it mostly depends on the effort I put in and the resources/information I use to educate myself, but at some point I'll be able to play that thing because I want that skill.

"What does a man have to do to overcome the anxiety experienced in these loud social settings? – Do I just need to go out more and learn to suck it up and deal with it?"

Exposure. Same way you'd get over a fear of spiders by letting one crawl on your hand a bunch. It would be scary as fuck at first but over time you'd get more comfortable. You're in freakout mode right now. But it's fine, we were ALL there. Even RSDTyler's first posts online were bitching about "I hate nightclubs how the fuck am I supposed to game in these stupid places it's too loud it's chaos all the guys are assholes all the girls are bitchy fuck this fuck nightclubs how does anyone even TALK to anyone in them let alone get laid?!?!" lol But now he destroys them and is probably more comfortable in a nightclub than other venues at this point. I was the same way, that's why I had to figure out tricks like going early and finding the quieter parts of the venues etc

"What did any of ya’ll (yareally, rollo) have to do to make the final jump of ruthlessly going out and becoming good with women? – Where did ya’ll go? – What was your game plan?"

My life story:
http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/6/#comment-heartiste-345976

And more of a gameplan aspect of my life story:
http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/1/#comment-heartiste-402111

Here's Tyler's life story:

Here's Julien's life story:

"Did you become discouraged as hell while trying?"

All the fucking time lol I still have bad nights now and then and they still sting just as much.

Quotes from my archive:

"There were a LOT of bullshit nights. Nights where I’d go out, wander around for 6 hours, see a bunch of girls I WANTED to approach but pussied out of approaching, then go home not having talked to a soul, kicking myself for being such a loser. Nights where I could tell right from the start that I wasn’t feeling the vibe and would just stick it out through it. So many frustrating depressing unforgiving mentally-draining painful nights, I can’t even describe it in a way that guys who haven’t gone through it could wrap their heads around it."

"Also I wasn’t slaying pussy left and right, I had a ton of nights like the Friday you describe here. Hell, I would’ve WISHED for a night like your Friday…you actually TALKED to people. I shit you not, probably half the nights I went out I was going out solo and would spend like 9pm-2am wandering around just trying to work up the balls to do a SINGLE approach, and probably half of THOSE nights I wouldn’t even manage to open that one set and I would go home kicking myself feeling like a loser."

"It’s just tonight I went out, attempting to get over the rejection"

"Now I feel like hell, wondering what I can do to become good."

Keep at it. You'll be fine. πŸ™‚

@hoellenhund2
"So, what’s the story here?"

redlight has already answered you twice now.

"And yet it’s now obvious that not even his extraordinary skills can prevent his former sexual partners from accusing him of being a sadistic, violent rapist and ruining his career in the process."

Picking up girls, fucking girls, and maintaining relationships with girls are 3 different areas. Being good at one or two doesn't mean you'll be good at the other(s).

"Isn’t this something we normally associate with beta losers with zero social skills or very screwed-up attitudes towards women?"

I've never said that. In fact I've repeatedly said that lots of Naturals have drama and false rape accusations and girls that hate them because they don't manage Buyer's Remorse well since they didn't study PUA.

Saturday night tonight everyone, get out there and give girls the gift of meeting you. Otherwise they'll have to masturbate on their webcams while keyser throws his life savings away trying to get them to take off their shirt.


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@Liz
“Nate held up one large floppy dildo and shook and and said, “This is just hostile…what the fuck?” That’s exactly what it was like.”

So you DON’T like large floppy dicks? hey asd you might have a chance after all

@averagechump
“And there is so much PUA theory to memorize that I doubt anyone proficient at game actually thinks about these things while going out. They’re probably having fun, or on autopilot or something that they don’t have to think: “Shit, what opener do I use? – Which routine? – Should I push or should I pull?””

We were all thinking it consciously infield when we started out, but over time you internalize it. Same as playing a guitar, at first you have to think out every note and string, but over time you internalize it.

Babystep it, take it one element at a time. Like tonight go out earlier and make it your goal just to open and hold eye-contact with a girl. If I get an Approach Invite like her giving me eye-contact I like to go over and deadpan “hey, are you mad at me or something? You’re looking at me like you hate me, have we met before?” and then grin so she know I’m just fucking with her then roleplay with it like “no I remember you now, we met at (wherever), you threw a drink in my face” and play with it.

But for now set a small goal of “whenever I get eye-contact from a girl I’ll go over and say X to her and focus on maintaining eye-contact” and just do that whenever that happens. Baby steps, piece by piece. :)


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@Liz
“Nate held up one large floppy dildo and shook and and said, “This is just hostile…what the fuck?” That’s exactly what it was like.”

So you DON’T like large floppy dicks? hey asd you might have a chance after all

@averagechump
“And there is so much PUA theory to memorize that I doubt anyone proficient at game actually thinks about these things while going out. They’re probably having fun, or on autopilot or something that they don’t have to think: “Shit, what opener do I use? – Which routine? – Should I push or should I pull?””

We were all thinking it consciously infield when we started out, but over time you internalize it. Same as playing a guitar, at first you have to think out every note and string, but over time you internalize it.

Babystep it, take it one element at a time. Like tonight go out earlier and make it your goal just to open and hold eye-contact with a girl. If I get an Approach Invite like her giving me eye-contact I like to go over and deadpan “hey, are you mad at me or something? You’re looking at me like you hate me, have we met before?” and then grin so she know I’m just fucking with her then roleplay with it like “no I remember you now, we met at (wherever), you threw a drink in my face” and play with it.

But for now set a small goal of “whenever I get eye-contact from a girl I’ll go over and say X to her and focus on maintaining eye-contact” and just do that whenever that happens. Baby steps, piece by piece. πŸ™‚


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@scribblerg
“One thing I’ve realized is that I need to have another strong plate to offset Kim, the HB8/9 so I don’t supplicate without realizing it”

First thing to do when you get a girl is get another girl lol One girl will give you oneitis, especially if you break the rules and see her more than once a week and do non-sexual stuff with her (cuddling, hanging out, watching movies, dinners, coffee, lunch, etc).

This is why in a pLTR setup I recommend one Primary and two Secondaries instead of one Secondary. One would make it a tug of war between the two and if one cuts you off from sex or brings you drama and needs a freezeout or bails to boyfriend up or move away or Ultimatums you or whatever then you’re stuck just seeing the one other girl and end up in the oneitis zone.

But with TWO Secondaries you always have a 3rd girl to go to so you can space your time out with each of them and the girls feel more like you see “a lot” of girls instead of “just that one bitch I have to beat to be top place” etc. It shifts the dynamics pretty dramatically. Also your Primary worries less with 2 than 1 because 1 means that other girl might be “special”, but 2 means you don’t really care about either of those girls (but she knows you care about HER because as your Primary she gets benefits the Secondaries don’t, like cuddling, hanging out, watching movies, dinners, coffee, lunch, etc.).

Don’t make a girl your Primary till you have a couple Secondaries or you’re probably gonna fuck the whole thing up lol


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@scribblerg
“One thing I’ve realized is that I need to have another strong plate to offset Kim, the HB8/9 so I don’t supplicate without realizing it”

First thing to do when you get a girl is get another girl lol One girl will give you oneitis, especially if you break the rules and see her more than once a week and do non-sexual stuff with her (cuddling, hanging out, watching movies, dinners, coffee, lunch, etc).

This is why in a pLTR setup I recommend one Primary and two Secondaries instead of one Secondary. One would make it a tug of war between the two and if one cuts you off from sex or brings you drama and needs a freezeout or bails to boyfriend up or move away or Ultimatums you or whatever then you’re stuck just seeing the one other girl and end up in the oneitis zone.

But with TWO Secondaries you always have a 3rd girl to go to so you can space your time out with each of them and the girls feel more like you see “a lot” of girls instead of “just that one bitch I have to beat to be top place” etc. It shifts the dynamics pretty dramatically. Also your Primary worries less with 2 than 1 because 1 means that other girl might be “special”, but 2 means you don’t really care about either of those girls (but she knows you care about HER because as your Primary she gets benefits the Secondaries don’t, like cuddling, hanging out, watching movies, dinners, coffee, lunch, etc.).

Don’t make a girl your Primary till you have a couple Secondaries or you’re probably gonna fuck the whole thing up lol


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This Kendra library webcam chick is a fuckin’ GOLDMINE of what we’ve been talking about, it’s like she’s somehow read this comment section today and gone back in time to do this interview, I couldn’t stop laughing her answers are all just PERFECT…This is the culture of 2015 summarized right here lol

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/kendra-sunderland-oregon-state-library-girl/

Choice quotes:

“A few weeks before filming the video, Sunderland was broke. She had just lost her job at the diner where she worked. She was considering dropping out of college, where she majored in human development. The way she tells it, a friend of hers from the diner had told her about the camming platform MyFreeCams. “He told me you’d make a lot of money, and you don’t really have to work very much, and people on there will buy you anything you want,” she says. (Her current manager, who Sunderland met while working at the diner, says that’s incorrect, and she had told him she was introduced to camming by her brother’s friend.)

So she’s got friends around her (aka society) encouraging her to go be a webcam girl and make some easy cash instead of getting another shitty diner job. And if I forgot to mention, most of these girls have like amazon wishlists and stuff linked so guys can just buy them the shit they want. With it being xmas time, these girls are all about to cash in on a ton of free expensive shit that they want from dudes they’ll never have to look at or directly talk to, just screennames in a chat window that watch her yap about her day with her tits out regularly.

You’ve said you dropped out of OSU because you didn’t want to go to college in the first place. So what brought you to Oregon State to begin with?

My best friend from high school applied to a bunch of places, so I applied there. She and I did everything together. It wasn’t really my choice. I told her, “Wherever you go to college, I’ll go.” So OSU gave her the most money, so I went there too.

…I don’t even have a comment. Welcome to 2015.

Are you still friends?

No. We started going our separate ways toward the end of our first year. We stopped being friends just a couple months ago.”

lol. Just lol.

How did you decide what you wanted to study at OSU?

When I was in high school, I planned on being a counselor. So I planned on taking psychology and becoming a guidance counselor for teens.

What a unique idea, never seen a girl take that educational path before, except for all of them.

“I lost interest.”

lol.

“Near the end of my first year I got sick pretty bad and was going through a tough side. I kinda gave up on everything. I wasn’t into school much. So at the start of my second year I decided to change it to something different. I decided to try accounting, ’cause my mom told me I’d look good in a business suit. I didn’t get a chance to switch my major. I stopped going to school four weeks into the term. Once I got started with MFC, I decided I didn’t want to be in an office every single day and work with numbers. I decided to stop going to school.

ALL EXCELLENT LIFE DECISIONS. Now keep in mind this chick doesn’t NEED money, she could go to whatever college she wanted to apparently and fuck around not even taking it seriously and changing courses on a whim, and has a full support network to take care of her, and then decides “eh, fuck it” once she’s webcamming. @scribblerg does that sound like she’s working 11 hours on cam to make $200 on her best day? lol no. The money is enough that she’s like “eh, fuck having a career.”

My point though is that she’s CHOOSING to webcam. She’s not like “oh I have no way to make money I’ve been dealt a hard blow I’m so desperate”, she’s just lazy as fuck and decided “well, showing my tits on cam for a bunch of anonymous screen names in a chat window makes me a bunch of easy money so what incentive do I have to bother studying and taking up a career? I’ll be 20-whatever years old forever!! YOLO!!”

So how did you hear about MFC, and why did you decide to do cam shows?

A close friend of mine told me about MFC and Chaturbate. He knew girls that had done it. He told me you’d make a lot of money, and you don’t really have to work very much, and people on there will buy you anything you want. I told him I was broke and it was hard for me to find a job. I’d just lost my job at the diner. So I mentioned it to my boyfriend and I decided to sign up one night.

She meant to say “it’s hard for me to feel like looking for a job and I don’t want to work in another diner because I’m entitled to just succeeding in life without putting in work”. She has a boyfriend and lets him know what she’s going to do and does it of her own accord. No fucks given.

How did he feel about it?

He said no. He didn’t want me to do it. He didn’t want me putting myself out there like that. He didn’t want to hear what bad things other people would say about it. Things like that. We broke up shortly after.

lol. As you read this keep in mind that the main blowback she gets in terms of people she loses or judge her are people who are either from another generation (like her parents and grandparents etc) or are friends who didn’t approve from the start (her boyfriend and roommate etc) and the University (which is all based on oldschool views). And the hate she gets is just standard Internet “hate” where randoms leave “what a slut!!!” in the comment section which people do for basically any articles/videos about any girl ever because that’s the Internet lol But like, she doesn’t have significant losses…she didn’t even care enough about these people to not do a thing they didn’t approve of (YOLO solipsism who cares about other people?) and her super lifelong BFF she picked a specific college to hang with is no longer her friend, like this isn’t someone with really solid relationships around her that she’s losing.

How many shows had you done before the library one? Had you done a show in the library before?

I’d been camming for two weeks or so.”

Two weeks and she’s already naked in public. Because that’s how casual girls are about sex and sexuality these days. Like I say a lot of this webcam stuff isn’t much different to them from girls making out at the bar and flashing tits or panties in a group photo of a girls’ night out.

Had you ever done anything like that before? Masturbated or had sex in public?

I’d never done anything like that before, no. I decided to do it at the library because I thought there’d be less people, and it’d be cooler in front of books. I was trying to look like a cute college girl or something.”

What she meant to say was “I’ll get more validation and a bunch of money if I totally of my own free choice decide to ramp this up a bit”.

“Did you entertain the possibility that you’d get caught or get into trouble?

No, not at all. That’s why in the library video, my hair isn’t done and I’m wearing slouchy clothes. I have a problem of just doing stuff without thinking through the consequences and researching it [beforehand.] Like, looking back, I probably should’ve thought it through, just because of the [public indecency] charge, the trouble, the repercussions. A lot of things have changed because of it.”

You don’t say lol But you’re a cute young chick why would you bother thinking about consequences? What are your parents supposed to do, raise you and somehow combat ALL OF SOCIETY telling you that you’re a special snowflake for having tits and that normally let you get away with whatever you want? Why WOULD you think through any consequences?

A lot of the webcam girls have little stamps on their image that say “NO RECORDING” or “Recording is not allowed” and seem to LEGITIMATELY believe that that’s stopping like a dozen guys from screenrecording them to post on PornHub etc. Like “but I put NO RECORDING on there!!!!!” That’s the level of thought they’re giving this before doing it.

how did you find out you’d gone viral? You were already out of school at this point for a few months, right?

I was using my phone watching YouTube videos and I was getting a bunch of friend requests on Facebook

ahhh, delicious validation and social approval!

Did people at OSU know you were camming in the first place?

At first it was just people I trusted, like my close friends. Then people started finding out about it. I told people the truth after my boyfriend broke up with me. I didn’t want to deny it.

YOLO! Fuck consequences! Own it grrrl you are a strong independent woman and this is 2015!

What did your parents say during that initial conversation?

Well, my mom brought it up to me. She called me when she’d found out about it from one of her friends at home. She said we need to talk. She was just like, “This is what I heard from my friends, is this true?” And [when I said yes], she told me, “Well, I thought something worse had happened to you.” She thought I was dead or pregnant. So when she heard what happened, she was kinda relieved, because [she thought] this is something you can move on from. She wanted to make sure I learned my lesson, and she told me she loves me no matter what, and tried to get my mind off everything. My dad said I needed to be careful and think first before I did everything.

Seems like solid parenting to me…in like the 20s she’d be shunned from the village as a harlot. Now? It’s okay baby we love you no matter what…now that she knows there’s no real consequences except losing a chode boyfriend she wasn’t that into and a porn site paid her public indecency fine for her to use her footage, why exactly would she go back to school and work in an office? Also lol at Dad…he must have been like “wtf!! Why didn’t I read Rollo’s parenting posts!!” in his head lol

I read in the Daily News that they [your parents] were upset and withdrew funding from you.

That’s not true. In the Daily News, [the reporter] made it sound like my parents quit funding me, but what had happened was I’d stopped going to school and then my parents stopped funding me, because technically my mom was paying me child support and you can’t get child support when you’re not in school.

Child of divorce? Where the MOM is paying child support? Read into that mess whatever you will lol But in 2015 with all these broken families and shit? The <25yo's family lives now are a lot different from the <25yo crowd of like, the 80s or the 40s.

"You say your mom wanted to make sure you’d learned a lesson. I wanna make sure I understand: Did she mean learning your lesson about doing porn, or about doing it in public?

[My parents] wanted to make sure I learned my lesson about breaking the law. My mom says I should choose a different path and rethink my decisions and what I want for my life. She doesn’t agree with it, but she loves me no matter what. They’re not upset with me. They’re not proud, but they love me no matter what.

So the real problem was the breaking the law part. Again, why would she bother to quit camming?

“My older sister is probably the person I’m closest with, and she’s been really supportive of me this whole time. My older brother contacted me asking if I was OK. My younger brother takes a lot of heat from people, so I worry about him the most, and what people will say to him. But he can handle himself. My [8-year-old] little brother is too young to know anything. I practically raised him. I was with him all the time. It just helps to have his support.”

Fuck the consequences for anyone else, even the ones who are facing consequences “can handle themselves”.

What about your roommate?

She doesn’t want to be a part of my life or my situation even more. She didn’t like me camming. She didn’t want anything to do with it, and she didn’t agree with it. She dealt with it, but once this all happened, she said I’ve changed, and we can’t just go out and have fun without people saying stuff. So I’ll probably move back in with my parents until summertime.

Again fuck inconveniencing anyone else or anything. Her feels are the most important and she wants to do this. And back to the safety of the parents. She will very likely webcam from her bedroom or around their house when she’s home alone, and the excitement/possibility of almost getting caught will just turn her on more.

Then he [the cop at my door handing me my fine] said because i was cooperating he wouldn’t take me in. He was nice about it. He said regardless of what you’ve done, you don’t deserve to be harassed, which I haven’t been yet. But I said if I felt unsafe I’d give him a call.

Who wants to bet that cop watched her video lol. /r/pussypass/ and white knights strike again!

Have you continued camming since this blew up? I saw the stream you did where you hit on the pizza boy.

I was camming after the library incident.

Because why would she stop? Also fucking lol at the pizza boy video, look it up and skip to halfway through, this poor beta chode knocks on the door that she answers naked and uses every fiber of his willpower to stick to his pizza guy script even when she says “is there anything I can do for you instead of paying?” and then tries to throw a chodey compliment at her (“you look very nice by the way”) because his dick realizes “ARE YOU KIDDING?!?! WHAT DID YOU JUST DO YOU IDIOT!!!” and tries to recover somehow lol Like I say you can THROW PUSSY at some guys and they freeze up and don’t know what to do without field experience. And then she’s dissed hard because she got rejected by him and then just eats pizza while people donate to her for doing that. No one forced her to do it, she did it because she’s having fun.

“That [video] was from a while ago. I’ve tried to take them down, but as soon as they go down, new ones go up. I guess I knew that could happen. I knew someone could record me and post them. I do kinda regret what I said to the pizza guy, cause I knew he’d reject me. It was just acting. That guy has delivered me pizza a couple times. He’s not really my type. Now everyone thinks I offer [sex] all the time.”

I knew there might be bad consequences, I’ve already been through the whole library cam incident but hey, YOLO!!!!! Because I get off on the attention because social media has trained me to judge my worth based on Likes and Friends Lists and donations.

What kinds of things do they say?

People who have mean things to say, they don’t take the time to message me or post on my wall. Most of my messages I get are [like], “Keep your head, you’re beautiful.” Some people say mean things and I see them, but I try to stay positive.”

Thirst support from the guys, feminist support from the women. Why would she stop? She’s faced ZERO real consequences. Oh no she can’t go to a University she dropped out of and didn’t want to go to and doesn’t plan to go to ever again anyway. She has NO INCENTIVE to not keep camming. And she probably has no idea she’s going to get older and hit the wall and no one’s going to want to see her webcam show and the modelling career she wants (when she’s not even that hot, but according to all the validation she gets she’s an HB12+++) will end when she hits the wall too. Will she have saved up a bunch of money by then? …lol.

“The only reason I went back on campus is to go back to a basketball game and get books at the library, ’cause it’s near my house.”

So she’s not even REALLY banned.

“How did you feel about OSU students saying they were ashamed of the video, and that you’d made the school look bad?

I think the students are being a bit dramatic. I know I put OSU in the spotlight. But I don’t think I made the school look bad or anything. I feel like I got the school some attention. They might see it in the wrong light. But as they say, no publicity is bad publicity.”

Insert a pic of a hamster in a wheel right here.

You mentioned earlier that you weren’t happy with how much your life has changed since the library video. What’s changed about it?

The worst thing is how fast things have changed, how I’ve changed as a person. I’ve lost friends. Losing my roommate has been really hard.”

The roommate who’s concerns you gave no fucks about, I’m sure that’s rough. BUT WE WERE BFFS 4EVA!!

“My poor grandparents calling me has been hard. As far as they knew, before this happened I was still going to school, because I was too afraid to tell them the truth. Then they called me because they heard on the news I was arrested and kicked out of school. That was tough.”

It sounds tough…not the part where you disappointed them or dropped out of school, but the part where you got caught which is your only real regret about your actions. Because why would you regret anything else? Everyone has just showered you with praise and your Facebook Friends List grew 100-fold.

“Mostly, I feel bad for everyone else that has to go through this, more than I feel bad for myself. The other people that have to deal with it, like my roommate and my ex-boyfriend, it really sucks for them. So many people are asking them questions about it and it sucks. Especially my ex-boyfriend. He’s always been there for me.

The people who’s wishes and concerns and potential complications you may cause them that you gave no fucks about before. Also speaking of the boyfriend…….

The one who broke up with you after you joined MFC?

Yeah, we’ve been talking a little bit more since all this has happened.”

Fucking LOL. Want to bet they get back together? Or he becomes her Beta Bucks fallback plan someday.

Are you seeing anyone now?

No. I get a lot of marriage proposals. It sucks because I’ll never know if someone wants to know me because of me, because of my video. It’s gonna be hard from now on to know who’s gonna be there to stick around. ”

This chick is getting MARRIAGE PROPOSALS. She’s actually INCREASED her desirability by having so much attention focused on her beacuse of the thirst out there. So not only does she have no consequences, she’s getting shit like marriage proposals and money and gifts that other girls DREAM of getting. Are these marriage proposals from badass alpha males? Most likely not, but SHE doesn’t know that because no one has taught her anything about men and she wouldn’t listen to them if they tried to. So in her mind she has marriage proposals from a bunch of tall jacked rich doctors and they’ll be around forever…she doesn’t comprehend that they’re all chodes and she’s going to age and eventually hit a point where even most of THEM don’t want her.

Do you think that you’ve changed?

No. Maybe I act a little differently. I used to be the type to want to go to school and do my homework and then I became a different person and wanted to become a model. I guess that has changed my mindset.”

lol. That’s quite the character development. Again this girl isn’t even that hot, but all the validation she’s gotten has her convinced she’s going to springboard this to become the next Cindy Crawford. But like, she has no real influences in her life that will tell her “you are heading down a trainwreck of a path!!” It’s all “you go grrl we love you no matter what plz marry me”

Now the part I’ve been trying to explain, straight from the horse’s mouth:

Given all that, would you still have joined MyFreeCams, even if you hadn’t been broke and out of school?

I think I would’ve talked myself into it. It was always my fantasy to do that type of stuff, so I feel like i would’ve started anyways, even if I did have a steady job. I’ve always wanted to call myself a model. I love to have my picture taken. I always just kinda wanted to be the girl in the magazine that people were drooling over and fantasizing about. I’ve always looked at girls in Playboy and the hot girls on the cars and even the girls in the Carl’s Jr. commercials and I’ve wanted to be just like that. That’s always been my fantasy. I’m just starting out, but we’ll see where this takes me.”

EVEN IF she had a steady job she’d have done this because it’s fun to her. She’s not doing it for the money she’s doing it because she loves attention and it’s a big fantasy for her.

What are your future plans now?

I wanna have a nice house, a place to call home by the beach. I wanna be close to my sister, so I think I’ll be moving down to California near San Diego to be close to her. It’s definitely been hard, because she’s the person I’m closest with. I don’t wanna go back to school. Once I stopped going to school, I wanted to go back to beauty school, but now with my management and everything going on, I don’t know how much good that will do me. I don’t think it will help me very much.

Does she have any plan for how she’s going to get a nice house by the beach? Doubtful. Girls just think it’ll somehow happen…like why WOULDN’T she think she’s going to be the next Cindy Crawford? Literally every influence in her life including thousands of people she doesn’t even know, have told her she’s beautiful. And she at least realizes that there’s not really any point in her getting an education.

That’s why when guys are like “oh this hot girl at the bar was so DUMB”…of COURSE she’s dumb. Why would she NOT be? She has NO incentive to not be dumb. There’s no reason for her to read an encyclopedia instead of Jezebel…there’s no reward for that. She’s already getting basically free money to sit around in her underwear and eat pizza in the comfort of her bedroom, while fending off marriage proposals (probably from some rich dudes too, because there are plenty of thirsty rich chodes out there)…she’s battin a THOUSAND, why would she waste her time sitting in a classroom or working on a career? It’s not like she’s going to turn 35 and hit the wall someday, right?

Are you concerned at all that doing the camgirl stuff will preclude you from pursuing future career options? I mean, you can’t really do a Carl’s Jr. commercial if you’ve been naked on the Internet.

I’m not worried about that.”

Of course you’re not! Why would you be?

“Right now, the adult modeling draws me in more than anything else. I try not to think about what could go wrong. It’ll keep me from chasing my dreams. I don’t want to live a life like that.

YOLO!!

Are you going to branch out into porn?

I don’t see myself getting into porn right now.”

lol.

Next part is for @scribblerg

“When I was on MFC, I felt in control, and I was the only one in the videos. I don’t want to shoot a video and be told who you’re gonna have sex with and how you’re gonna do it. I’ve heard it’s a hard business to get out of, and it ruins sex. Eventually I hope I can go back to camming. Maybe I will, maybe I won’t. I need to pay more attention to building up a career for myself in modeling.”

Like I say, the stigma around camming is waaaay less than porn and it’s for reasons like the girls are in control, people don’t view them as banging Ron Jeremy’s STD-covered dick for heroin money after blowing the agent who got them the job etc. This is just girls expressing themselves and their sexuality, it’s 2015 don’tcha know?

Anything else?

I don’t think it’s fair for people to judge me based on one thing I did. A lot of people have to put their opinion out there, and they judge me for it, and I don’t feel like I deserve to be judged. People are saying I don’t have respect for myself. I respect myself. I have respect for my body. I feel blessed to find MyFreeCams and have a job that I enjoy so much that pays me so much. People are worrying about what I’m doing, when they should be saying, “Good for you. Go live your life.” It’s sad that’s not the case.

C’mon guys, YOLO!!!

“Update Oct. 12, 3:27pm: Kendra Sunderland pled guilty to one count of misdemeanor public indecency in Benton County Circuit Court Sept. 17 for her infamous library incident. She was fined $1,000.”

Sounds rough, the original fine estimate was $6,250 (pussypass?)…good thing she won’t have to pay it:

“The offer comes via an email to our outlet where the BangYouLater team wrote the following:

Dear Kendra Sunderland,

First and foremost let us state that we fully support what you’re doing. It’s not often that you see people who are confident enough to stand by their own actions, especially when those actions are of a sexual nature. We hope that you continue your career as a cam model and reap all the financial and emotional benefits that the profession has to offer.

We at BangYouLater would love to give you $6,250 USD to pay for the public indecency fine that you’ve allegedly been charged. Not as payment for some future act but just as a kindness to show our genuine support for what it is you’re doing. If you’re willing and able, we would like to fly you to our headquarters so that we can give you the money in person. Simply so that we can video record the transaction and become your bonafide advocates.

Let us know if you are interested and we will discuss the details with you further. Regardless of your decision we wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

Sincerely,

The BangYouLater Team”

The lesson she’s learned is YOLO because there’s no consequences.

Her Twitter account has also been suspended.

…ironically THIS is probably the WORST punishment imaginable to a <25yo girl lol

Fuck that was funny/surreal/sad. Welcome to 2015. There are still girls out there like Rollo's daughter who probably have their shit together, but this girl is representative of a LOT (LOT!) of <25yo girls out there these days who just have zero boundaries put on them, no alpha male to discipline them, broken families with terrible role models, everyone showering them with "you go grrrl" encouragement, Internet validation convincing her she's a champion etc…why WOULDN'T this girl go down this life path she went down? And in 2015 how common is a Rollo household VS this girl's type of household, in terms of how common this girl is and how well she represents the <25yo crowd in 2015?

…anyone still wanna try getting married and having 2.5 kids and tying half your assets to a hot young chick in 2015? lol

…also – would bang:

…on her cam. YOLO!! lol


The Tyranny of Biomechanics

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on December 5th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
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This Kendra library webcam chick is a fuckin’ GOLDMINE of what we’ve been talking about, it’s like she’s somehow read this comment section today and gone back in time to do this interview, I couldn’t stop laughing her answers are all just PERFECT…This is the culture of 2015 summarized right here lol

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/kendra-sunderland-oregon-state-library-girl/

Choice quotes:

“A few weeks before filming the video, Sunderland was broke. She had just lost her job at the diner where she worked. She was considering dropping out of college, where she majored in human development. The way she tells it, a friend of hers from the diner had told her about the camming platform MyFreeCams. “He told me you’d make a lot of money, and you don’t really have to work very much, and people on there will buy you anything you want,” she says. (Her current manager, who Sunderland met while working at the diner, says that’s incorrect, and she had told him she was introduced to camming by her brother’s friend.)

So she’s got friends around her (aka society) encouraging her to go be a webcam girl and make some easy cash instead of getting another shitty diner job. And if I forgot to mention, most of these girls have like amazon wishlists and stuff linked so guys can just buy them the shit they want. With it being xmas time, these girls are all about to cash in on a ton of free expensive shit that they want from dudes they’ll never have to look at or directly talk to, just screennames in a chat window that watch her yap about her day with her tits out regularly.

You’ve said you dropped out of OSU because you didn’t want to go to college in the first place. So what brought you to Oregon State to begin with?

My best friend from high school applied to a bunch of places, so I applied there. She and I did everything together. It wasn’t really my choice. I told her, “Wherever you go to college, I’ll go.” So OSU gave her the most money, so I went there too.

…I don’t even have a comment. Welcome to 2015.

Are you still friends?

No. We started going our separate ways toward the end of our first year. We stopped being friends just a couple months ago.”

lol. Just lol.

How did you decide what you wanted to study at OSU?

When I was in high school, I planned on being a counselor. So I planned on taking psychology and becoming a guidance counselor for teens.

What a unique idea, never seen a girl take that educational path before, except for all of them.

“I lost interest.”

lol.

“Near the end of my first year I got sick pretty bad and was going through a tough side. I kinda gave up on everything. I wasn’t into school much. So at the start of my second year I decided to change it to something different. I decided to try accounting, ’cause my mom told me I’d look good in a business suit. I didn’t get a chance to switch my major. I stopped going to school four weeks into the term. Once I got started with MFC, I decided I didn’t want to be in an office every single day and work with numbers. I decided to stop going to school.

ALL EXCELLENT LIFE DECISIONS. Now keep in mind this chick doesn’t NEED money, she could go to whatever college she wanted to apparently and fuck around not even taking it seriously and changing courses on a whim, and has a full support network to take care of her, and then decides “eh, fuck it” once she’s webcamming. @scribblerg does that sound like she’s working 11 hours on cam to make $200 on her best day? lol no. The money is enough that she’s like “eh, fuck having a career.”

My point though is that she’s CHOOSING to webcam. She’s not like “oh I have no way to make money I’ve been dealt a hard blow I’m so desperate”, she’s just lazy as fuck and decided “well, showing my tits on cam for a bunch of anonymous screen names in a chat window makes me a bunch of easy money so what incentive do I have to bother studying and taking up a career? I’ll be 20-whatever years old forever!! YOLO!!”

So how did you hear about MFC, and why did you decide to do cam shows?

A close friend of mine told me about MFC and Chaturbate. He knew girls that had done it. He told me you’d make a lot of money, and you don’t really have to work very much, and people on there will buy you anything you want. I told him I was broke and it was hard for me to find a job. I’d just lost my job at the diner. So I mentioned it to my boyfriend and I decided to sign up one night.

She meant to say “it’s hard for me to feel like looking for a job and I don’t want to work in another diner because I’m entitled to just succeeding in life without putting in work”. She has a boyfriend and lets him know what she’s going to do and does it of her own accord. No fucks given.

How did he feel about it?

He said no. He didn’t want me to do it. He didn’t want me putting myself out there like that. He didn’t want to hear what bad things other people would say about it. Things like that. We broke up shortly after.

lol. As you read this keep in mind that the main blowback she gets in terms of people she loses or judge her are people who are either from another generation (like her parents and grandparents etc) or are friends who didn’t approve from the start (her boyfriend and roommate etc) and the University (which is all based on oldschool views). And the hate she gets is just standard Internet “hate” where randoms leave “what a slut!!!” in the comment section which people do for basically any articles/videos about any girl ever because that’s the Internet lol But like, she doesn’t have significant losses…she didn’t even care enough about these people to not do a thing they didn’t approve of (YOLO solipsism who cares about other people?) and her super lifelong BFF she picked a specific college to hang with is no longer her friend, like this isn’t someone with really solid relationships around her that she’s losing.

How many shows had you done before the library one? Had you done a show in the library before?

I’d been camming for two weeks or so.”

Two weeks and she’s already naked in public. Because that’s how casual girls are about sex and sexuality these days. Like I say a lot of this webcam stuff isn’t much different to them from girls making out at the bar and flashing tits or panties in a group photo of a girls’ night out.

Had you ever done anything like that before? Masturbated or had sex in public?

I’d never done anything like that before, no. I decided to do it at the library because I thought there’d be less people, and it’d be cooler in front of books. I was trying to look like a cute college girl or something.”

What she meant to say was “I’ll get more validation and a bunch of money if I totally of my own free choice decide to ramp this up a bit”.

“Did you entertain the possibility that you’d get caught or get into trouble?

No, not at all. That’s why in the library video, my hair isn’t done and I’m wearing slouchy clothes. I have a problem of just doing stuff without thinking through the consequences and researching it [beforehand.] Like, looking back, I probably should’ve thought it through, just because of the [public indecency] charge, the trouble, the repercussions. A lot of things have changed because of it.”

You don’t say lol But you’re a cute young chick why would you bother thinking about consequences? What are your parents supposed to do, raise you and somehow combat ALL OF SOCIETY telling you that you’re a special snowflake for having tits and that normally let you get away with whatever you want? Why WOULD you think through any consequences?

A lot of the webcam girls have little stamps on their image that say “NO RECORDING” or “Recording is not allowed” and seem to LEGITIMATELY believe that that’s stopping like a dozen guys from screenrecording them to post on PornHub etc. Like “but I put NO RECORDING on there!!!!!” That’s the level of thought they’re giving this before doing it.

how did you find out you’d gone viral? You were already out of school at this point for a few months, right?

I was using my phone watching YouTube videos and I was getting a bunch of friend requests on Facebook

ahhh, delicious validation and social approval!

Did people at OSU know you were camming in the first place?

At first it was just people I trusted, like my close friends. Then people started finding out about it. I told people the truth after my boyfriend broke up with me. I didn’t want to deny it.

YOLO! Fuck consequences! Own it grrrl you are a strong independent woman and this is 2015!

What did your parents say during that initial conversation?

Well, my mom brought it up to me. She called me when she’d found out about it from one of her friends at home. She said we need to talk. She was just like, “This is what I heard from my friends, is this true?” And [when I said yes], she told me, “Well, I thought something worse had happened to you.” She thought I was dead or pregnant. So when she heard what happened, she was kinda relieved, because [she thought] this is something you can move on from. She wanted to make sure I learned my lesson, and she told me she loves me no matter what, and tried to get my mind off everything. My dad said I needed to be careful and think first before I did everything.

Seems like solid parenting to me…in like the 20s she’d be shunned from the village as a harlot. Now? It’s okay baby we love you no matter what…now that she knows there’s no real consequences except losing a chode boyfriend she wasn’t that into and a porn site paid her public indecency fine for her to use her footage, why exactly would she go back to school and work in an office? Also lol at Dad…he must have been like “wtf!! Why didn’t I read Rollo’s parenting posts!!” in his head lol

I read in the Daily News that they [your parents] were upset and withdrew funding from you.

That’s not true. In the Daily News, [the reporter] made it sound like my parents quit funding me, but what had happened was I’d stopped going to school and then my parents stopped funding me, because technically my mom was paying me child support and you can’t get child support when you’re not in school.

Child of divorce? Where the MOM is paying child support? Read into that mess whatever you will lol But in 2015 with all these broken families and shit? The <25yo's family lives now are a lot different from the <25yo crowd of like, the 80s or the 40s.

"You say your mom wanted to make sure you’d learned a lesson. I wanna make sure I understand: Did she mean learning your lesson about doing porn, or about doing it in public?

[My parents] wanted to make sure I learned my lesson about breaking the law. My mom says I should choose a different path and rethink my decisions and what I want for my life. She doesn’t agree with it, but she loves me no matter what. They’re not upset with me. They’re not proud, but they love me no matter what.

So the real problem was the breaking the law part. Again, why would she bother to quit camming?

“My older sister is probably the person I’m closest with, and she’s been really supportive of me this whole time. My older brother contacted me asking if I was OK. My younger brother takes a lot of heat from people, so I worry about him the most, and what people will say to him. But he can handle himself. My [8-year-old] little brother is too young to know anything. I practically raised him. I was with him all the time. It just helps to have his support.”

Fuck the consequences for anyone else, even the ones who are facing consequences “can handle themselves”.

What about your roommate?

She doesn’t want to be a part of my life or my situation even more. She didn’t like me camming. She didn’t want anything to do with it, and she didn’t agree with it. She dealt with it, but once this all happened, she said I’ve changed, and we can’t just go out and have fun without people saying stuff. So I’ll probably move back in with my parents until summertime.

Again fuck inconveniencing anyone else or anything. Her feels are the most important and she wants to do this. And back to the safety of the parents. She will very likely webcam from her bedroom or around their house when she’s home alone, and the excitement/possibility of almost getting caught will just turn her on more.

Then he [the cop at my door handing me my fine] said because i was cooperating he wouldn’t take me in. He was nice about it. He said regardless of what you’ve done, you don’t deserve to be harassed, which I haven’t been yet. But I said if I felt unsafe I’d give him a call.

Who wants to bet that cop watched her video lol. /r/pussypass/ and white knights strike again!

Have you continued camming since this blew up? I saw the stream you did where you hit on the pizza boy.

I was camming after the library incident.

Because why would she stop? Also fucking lol at the pizza boy video, look it up and skip to halfway through, this poor beta chode knocks on the door that she answers naked and uses every fiber of his willpower to stick to his pizza guy script even when she says “is there anything I can do for you instead of paying?” and then tries to throw a chodey compliment at her (“you look very nice by the way”) because his dick realizes “ARE YOU KIDDING?!?! WHAT DID YOU JUST DO YOU IDIOT!!!” and tries to recover somehow lol Like I say you can THROW PUSSY at some guys and they freeze up and don’t know what to do without field experience. And then she’s dissed hard because she got rejected by him and then just eats pizza while people donate to her for doing that. No one forced her to do it, she did it because she’s having fun.

“That [video] was from a while ago. I’ve tried to take them down, but as soon as they go down, new ones go up. I guess I knew that could happen. I knew someone could record me and post them. I do kinda regret what I said to the pizza guy, cause I knew he’d reject me. It was just acting. That guy has delivered me pizza a couple times. He’s not really my type. Now everyone thinks I offer [sex] all the time.”

I knew there might be bad consequences, I’ve already been through the whole library cam incident but hey, YOLO!!!!! Because I get off on the attention because social media has trained me to judge my worth based on Likes and Friends Lists and donations.

What kinds of things do they say?

People who have mean things to say, they don’t take the time to message me or post on my wall. Most of my messages I get are [like], “Keep your head, you’re beautiful.” Some people say mean things and I see them, but I try to stay positive.”

Thirst support from the guys, feminist support from the women. Why would she stop? She’s faced ZERO real consequences. Oh no she can’t go to a University she dropped out of and didn’t want to go to and doesn’t plan to go to ever again anyway. She has NO INCENTIVE to not keep camming. And she probably has no idea she’s going to get older and hit the wall and no one’s going to want to see her webcam show and the modelling career she wants (when she’s not even that hot, but according to all the validation she gets she’s an HB12+++) will end when she hits the wall too. Will she have saved up a bunch of money by then? …lol.

“The only reason I went back on campus is to go back to a basketball game and get books at the library, ’cause it’s near my house.”

So she’s not even REALLY banned.

“How did you feel about OSU students saying they were ashamed of the video, and that you’d made the school look bad?

I think the students are being a bit dramatic. I know I put OSU in the spotlight. But I don’t think I made the school look bad or anything. I feel like I got the school some attention. They might see it in the wrong light. But as they say, no publicity is bad publicity.”

Insert a pic of a hamster in a wheel right here.

You mentioned earlier that you weren’t happy with how much your life has changed since the library video. What’s changed about it?

The worst thing is how fast things have changed, how I’ve changed as a person. I’ve lost friends. Losing my roommate has been really hard.”

The roommate who’s concerns you gave no fucks about, I’m sure that’s rough. BUT WE WERE BFFS 4EVA!!

“My poor grandparents calling me has been hard. As far as they knew, before this happened I was still going to school, because I was too afraid to tell them the truth. Then they called me because they heard on the news I was arrested and kicked out of school. That was tough.”

It sounds tough…not the part where you disappointed them or dropped out of school, but the part where you got caught which is your only real regret about your actions. Because why would you regret anything else? Everyone has just showered you with praise and your Facebook Friends List grew 100-fold.

“Mostly, I feel bad for everyone else that has to go through this, more than I feel bad for myself. The other people that have to deal with it, like my roommate and my ex-boyfriend, it really sucks for them. So many people are asking them questions about it and it sucks. Especially my ex-boyfriend. He’s always been there for me.

The people who’s wishes and concerns and potential complications you may cause them that you gave no fucks about before. Also speaking of the boyfriend…….

The one who broke up with you after you joined MFC?

Yeah, we’ve been talking a little bit more since all this has happened.”

Fucking LOL. Want to bet they get back together? Or he becomes her Beta Bucks fallback plan someday.

Are you seeing anyone now?

No. I get a lot of marriage proposals. It sucks because I’ll never know if someone wants to know me because of me, because of my video. It’s gonna be hard from now on to know who’s gonna be there to stick around. ”

This chick is getting MARRIAGE PROPOSALS. She’s actually INCREASED her desirability by having so much attention focused on her beacuse of the thirst out there. So not only does she have no consequences, she’s getting shit like marriage proposals and money and gifts that other girls DREAM of getting. Are these marriage proposals from badass alpha males? Most likely not, but SHE doesn’t know that because no one has taught her anything about men and she wouldn’t listen to them if they tried to. So in her mind she has marriage proposals from a bunch of tall jacked rich doctors and they’ll be around forever…she doesn’t comprehend that they’re all chodes and she’s going to age and eventually hit a point where even most of THEM don’t want her.

Do you think that you’ve changed?

No. Maybe I act a little differently. I used to be the type to want to go to school and do my homework and then I became a different person and wanted to become a model. I guess that has changed my mindset.”

lol. That’s quite the character development. Again this girl isn’t even that hot, but all the validation she’s gotten has her convinced she’s going to springboard this to become the next Cindy Crawford. But like, she has no real influences in her life that will tell her “you are heading down a trainwreck of a path!!” It’s all “you go grrl we love you no matter what plz marry me”

Now the part I’ve been trying to explain, straight from the horse’s mouth:

Given all that, would you still have joined MyFreeCams, even if you hadn’t been broke and out of school?

I think I would’ve talked myself into it. It was always my fantasy to do that type of stuff, so I feel like i would’ve started anyways, even if I did have a steady job. I’ve always wanted to call myself a model. I love to have my picture taken. I always just kinda wanted to be the girl in the magazine that people were drooling over and fantasizing about. I’ve always looked at girls in Playboy and the hot girls on the cars and even the girls in the Carl’s Jr. commercials and I’ve wanted to be just like that. That’s always been my fantasy. I’m just starting out, but we’ll see where this takes me.”

EVEN IF she had a steady job she’d have done this because it’s fun to her. She’s not doing it for the money she’s doing it because she loves attention and it’s a big fantasy for her.

What are your future plans now?

I wanna have a nice house, a place to call home by the beach. I wanna be close to my sister, so I think I’ll be moving down to California near San Diego to be close to her. It’s definitely been hard, because she’s the person I’m closest with. I don’t wanna go back to school. Once I stopped going to school, I wanted to go back to beauty school, but now with my management and everything going on, I don’t know how much good that will do me. I don’t think it will help me very much.

Does she have any plan for how she’s going to get a nice house by the beach? Doubtful. Girls just think it’ll somehow happen…like why WOULDN’T she think she’s going to be the next Cindy Crawford? Literally every influence in her life including thousands of people she doesn’t even know, have told her she’s beautiful. And she at least realizes that there’s not really any point in her getting an education.

That’s why when guys are like “oh this hot girl at the bar was so DUMB”…of COURSE she’s dumb. Why would she NOT be? She has NO incentive to not be dumb. There’s no reason for her to read an encyclopedia instead of Jezebel…there’s no reward for that. She’s already getting basically free money to sit around in her underwear and eat pizza in the comfort of her bedroom, while fending off marriage proposals (probably from some rich dudes too, because there are plenty of thirsty rich chodes out there)…she’s battin a THOUSAND, why would she waste her time sitting in a classroom or working on a career? It’s not like she’s going to turn 35 and hit the wall someday, right?

Are you concerned at all that doing the camgirl stuff will preclude you from pursuing future career options? I mean, you can’t really do a Carl’s Jr. commercial if you’ve been naked on the Internet.

I’m not worried about that.”

Of course you’re not! Why would you be?

“Right now, the adult modeling draws me in more than anything else. I try not to think about what could go wrong. It’ll keep me from chasing my dreams. I don’t want to live a life like that.

YOLO!!

Are you going to branch out into porn?

I don’t see myself getting into porn right now.”

lol.

Next part is for @scribblerg

“When I was on MFC, I felt in control, and I was the only one in the videos. I don’t want to shoot a video and be told who you’re gonna have sex with and how you’re gonna do it. I’ve heard it’s a hard business to get out of, and it ruins sex. Eventually I hope I can go back to camming. Maybe I will, maybe I won’t. I need to pay more attention to building up a career for myself in modeling.”

Like I say, the stigma around camming is waaaay less than porn and it’s for reasons like the girls are in control, people don’t view them as banging Ron Jeremy’s STD-covered dick for heroin money after blowing the agent who got them the job etc. This is just girls expressing themselves and their sexuality, it’s 2015 don’tcha know?

Anything else?

I don’t think it’s fair for people to judge me based on one thing I did. A lot of people have to put their opinion out there, and they judge me for it, and I don’t feel like I deserve to be judged. People are saying I don’t have respect for myself. I respect myself. I have respect for my body. I feel blessed to find MyFreeCams and have a job that I enjoy so much that pays me so much. People are worrying about what I’m doing, when they should be saying, “Good for you. Go live your life.” It’s sad that’s not the case.

C’mon guys, YOLO!!!

“Update Oct. 12, 3:27pm: Kendra Sunderland pled guilty to one count of misdemeanor public indecency in Benton County Circuit Court Sept. 17 for her infamous library incident. She was fined $1,000.”

Sounds rough, the original fine estimate was $6,250 (pussypass?)…good thing she won’t have to pay it:

“The offer comes via an email to our outlet where the BangYouLater team wrote the following:

Dear Kendra Sunderland,

First and foremost let us state that we fully support what you’re doing. It’s not often that you see people who are confident enough to stand by their own actions, especially when those actions are of a sexual nature. We hope that you continue your career as a cam model and reap all the financial and emotional benefits that the profession has to offer.

We at BangYouLater would love to give you $6,250 USD to pay for the public indecency fine that you’ve allegedly been charged. Not as payment for some future act but just as a kindness to show our genuine support for what it is you’re doing. If you’re willing and able, we would like to fly you to our headquarters so that we can give you the money in person. Simply so that we can video record the transaction and become your bonafide advocates.

Let us know if you are interested and we will discuss the details with you further. Regardless of your decision we wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

Sincerely,

The BangYouLater Team”

The lesson she’s learned is YOLO because there’s no consequences.

Her Twitter account has also been suspended.

…ironically THIS is probably the WORST punishment imaginable to a <25yo girl lol

Fuck that was funny/surreal/sad. Welcome to 2015. There are still girls out there like Rollo's daughter who probably have their shit together, but this girl is representative of a LOT (LOT!) of <25yo girls out there these days who just have zero boundaries put on them, no alpha male to discipline them, broken families with terrible role models, everyone showering them with "you go grrrl" encouragement, Internet validation convincing her she's a champion etc…why WOULDN'T this girl go down this life path she went down? And in 2015 how common is a Rollo household VS this girl's type of household, in terms of how common this girl is and how well she represents the <25yo crowd in 2015?

…anyone still wanna try getting married and having 2.5 kids and tying half your assets to a hot young chick in 2015? lol

…also – would bang:

…on her cam. YOLO!! lol


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“Very few girls are making 500/day my porn girl knew half a dozen girls doing it”
“but you are speculating yourself.”

Literally, go to Chaturbate and just click a few of the girls and watch the tokens rolling in from users as the girls get themselves off. I don’t know why you’re so reluctant to just load the site. I don’t even know what leaderboards you’re talking about, you can see in the chat what everyone is tipping as they tip it. Just go to the fucking site, you’re like a guy telling someone who’s using a DVD player by describing how VHS players work lol

This one chick had every 500 tokens she gets a chance to orgasm, but for a 501 token donation she’d have to stop (orgasm denial) and be frustrated until the next 500 goal was reached where she had another chance. Chick made her 500 goal 11 times in like an hour with multiple denials on top of that from guys fucking with her and then she’d say “ohh I hate you guys!!” all playful and the guys love it because they’re getting some flirt and she loves it because she likes orgasm denial and money is rolling in. 1 token = 10 cents so for an hour of just fucking herself with a toy she likes and a vibe she made around $700 to have a good orgasm then signed off to go hit up a rave.

With the Ohmibod (vibrator that reacts to tips, bigger the tip the more intense the vibrations) guys treat it like actually getting a girl off, they’ll tip a bunch of small donations then a few bigger donations then some small ones then some big ones then a few MASSIVE donations as the girl collapses and squirts everywhere and lays there with a big smile on her face saying her thankyous to screennames. That would be a pretty elaborate bot setup.

No offense to your porn friend but maybe she’s just not good/smart at being a camgirl lol And it’s weird to me that you worked on these things and did all this research and don’t know that the tokens just appear in chat for everyone to see, it’s not just looking at some list of “top donators”, it’s happening in realtime lol

And if these dudes in chat were all bots the girls set up to donate fake tips to themselves to get other guys to donate then they WOULD be doing this for free since all these big donations would be fake, which would nullify this point:

“How many of those girls would continue to do it for free?”

This is a silly argument. How many people would do their job for free? Not many, time = money and there’s rent to pay. But that doesn’t mean tons of people don’t love their careers lol I don’t know why you’ve got this big mental block on this, is it ’cause you were into this chick or something?

“Just saying we can agree to disagree but I don’t think you’ve actually done a shred of research on what camgirls make – I have.”

My “shred of research” is I’m looking at camgirls and their tokens rolling in from guys chatting in the chat window as the girls fuck themselves with various toys in various orifices with a giant smile on their faces. I don’t know what to tell you dude, it’s like me saying Game of Thrones isn’t on TV while you’re watching an episode of it on TV lol

I’m not saying you’re lying, but I think you haven’t been to these sites in a while or something and watched these chicks go at it.


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“Very few girls are making 500/day my porn girl knew half a dozen girls doing it”
“but you are speculating yourself.”

Literally, go to Chaturbate and just click a few of the girls and watch the tokens rolling in from users as the girls get themselves off. I don’t know why you’re so reluctant to just load the site. I don’t even know what leaderboards you’re talking about, you can see in the chat what everyone is tipping as they tip it. Just go to the fucking site, you’re like a guy telling someone who’s using a DVD player by describing how VHS players work lol

This one chick had every 500 tokens she gets a chance to orgasm, but for a 501 token donation she’d have to stop (orgasm denial) and be frustrated until the next 500 goal was reached where she had another chance. Chick made her 500 goal 11 times in like an hour with multiple denials on top of that from guys fucking with her and then she’d say “ohh I hate you guys!!” all playful and the guys love it because they’re getting some flirt and she loves it because she likes orgasm denial and money is rolling in. 1 token = 10 cents so for an hour of just fucking herself with a toy she likes and a vibe she made around $700 to have a good orgasm then signed off to go hit up a rave.

With the Ohmibod (vibrator that reacts to tips, bigger the tip the more intense the vibrations) guys treat it like actually getting a girl off, they’ll tip a bunch of small donations then a few bigger donations then some small ones then some big ones then a few MASSIVE donations as the girl collapses and squirts everywhere and lays there with a big smile on her face saying her thankyous to screennames. That would be a pretty elaborate bot setup.

No offense to your porn friend but maybe she’s just not good/smart at being a camgirl lol And it’s weird to me that you worked on these things and did all this research and don’t know that the tokens just appear in chat for everyone to see, it’s not just looking at some list of “top donators”, it’s happening in realtime lol

And if these dudes in chat were all bots the girls set up to donate fake tips to themselves to get other guys to donate then they WOULD be doing this for free since all these big donations would be fake, which would nullify this point:

“How many of those girls would continue to do it for free?”

This is a silly argument. How many people would do their job for free? Not many, time = money and there’s rent to pay. But that doesn’t mean tons of people don’t love their careers lol I don’t know why you’ve got this big mental block on this, is it ’cause you were into this chick or something?

“Just saying we can agree to disagree but I don’t think you’ve actually done a shred of research on what camgirls make – I have.”

My “shred of research” is I’m looking at camgirls and their tokens rolling in from guys chatting in the chat window as the girls fuck themselves with various toys in various orifices with a giant smile on their faces. I don’t know what to tell you dude, it’s like me saying Game of Thrones isn’t on TV while you’re watching an episode of it on TV lol

I’m not saying you’re lying, but I think you haven’t been to these sites in a while or something and watched these chicks go at it.


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I mean, what did you expect to happen? lol you got cocky and decided you were above “the rules” of the game and shit all over her ASD and social judgement and whipped your phone out in front of everyone. Felt like a boss in the moment, great story to tell to brag, but now you have consequences because you ran back game even if it worked to get the number and her interest. Now you have drama and potential cockblocking to deal with that you wouldn’t have had if you had kept your ego in check and just done a subtle number close and done whatever hand-licking you were doing in private instead of in front of everyone.

“so I don’t think that MB and I had any problems before the hypothetical fishing expedition by busybodies.”

You probably didn’t, but it doesn’t matter. You broke the “secret society” social codes and now you have to deal with the fallout lol

Lesson is: play to win, not to have good stories to tell. :)


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I mean, what did you expect to happen? lol you got cocky and decided you were above “the rules” of the game and shit all over her ASD and social judgement and whipped your phone out in front of everyone. Felt like a boss in the moment, great story to tell to brag, but now you have consequences because you ran back game even if it worked to get the number and her interest. Now you have drama and potential cockblocking to deal with that you wouldn’t have had if you had kept your ego in check and just done a subtle number close and done whatever hand-licking you were doing in private instead of in front of everyone.

“so I don’t think that MB and I had any problems before the hypothetical fishing expedition by busybodies.”

You probably didn’t, but it doesn’t matter. You broke the “secret society” social codes and now you have to deal with the fallout lol

Lesson is: play to win, not to have good stories to tell. πŸ™‚


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Interview with that library webcam girl in mod. In the pizza clip mentioned in it she sets up a Skype session with like 5 people to watch her and her boyfriend who dumped her but is still coming over and smoking pot and wants to bang her on webcam (funny how that was left out of her sad sob story interviews lol) and she totals everyone’s donations up out loud as she’s writing them down sorting out who’s invited into the Skype chat (putting those accounting skills to good use lol) and the total she makes while just eating the pizza/wings she ordered is around 8000 tokens aka $800, and that was just sitting there naked eating and then fucking her boyfriend like they probably would have done anyway, and that doesn’t count the rest of her show leading UP to the pizza guy incident (which racked up a bunch of money for doing the dare too).

Scroll up when my comment comes out of mod, the interview will make you laugh. Anonymous Reader should check it too, ’cause it’s her confirming all the things we’re saying for the guys who are out of touch with the <25yo crowd.


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Interview with that library webcam girl in mod. In the pizza clip mentioned in it she sets up a Skype session with like 5 people to watch her and her boyfriend who dumped her but is still coming over and smoking pot and wants to bang her on webcam (funny how that was left out of her sad sob story interviews lol) and she totals everyone’s donations up out loud as she’s writing them down sorting out who’s invited into the Skype chat (putting those accounting skills to good use lol) and the total she makes while just eating the pizza/wings she ordered is around 8000 tokens aka $800, and that was just sitting there naked eating and then fucking her boyfriend like they probably would have done anyway, and that doesn’t count the rest of her show leading UP to the pizza guy incident (which racked up a bunch of money for doing the dare too).

Scroll up when my comment comes out of mod, the interview will make you laugh. Anonymous Reader should check it too, ’cause it’s her confirming all the things we’re saying for the guys who are out of touch with the <25yo crowd.


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“I had previously resigned to waiting until I’d gotten my body completely to where I want it to be before I started getting serious about game again”

No that’s retarded, get out there lol Find a free way (wink wink) to obtain Julien’s SHIFT and PIMP products.

“Do you live in the US, and would you be open to the idea of meeting up?”

Not a chance sorry, I’m anonymous forever because I don’t want a Julien Blanc fiasco in my professional life. If I got hit by a bus tomorrow no one would ever know who wrote all my archives because even my PUA buddies don’t know I write this content lol

@scribblerg

Sigh…fine, let’s do this. Here’s MY research, it’s called people’s experience and fucking logic lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/2xmgy9/ladies_who_do_webcam_videos_for_money_what_do_you/.compact

“So I gave it a shot and made more money my first paycheck than I had at any other job I had ever had. I live in a very rural area with nothing but minimum wage job opportunities to people without degrees (even with a degree, most positions are only going to start you at around $10/hr). There were nights I made diddily squat, yes, but there were nights I made $230+ an hour, too… and I’m not even hot.”

“It’s true, my mate tried non nude camming for a while, the only thing she did was lick a cupcake and discreetly show her bare shoulders. She made a killing during that month.”

“I had a go on MFC when I was in between jobs. It was fun, I had a room in my house set up just for cam shows, every day was something different and I made quite a bit of cash sometimes just sitting and talking to people. The annoying part was getting all made up every day, some days you’d sit there and it would be dead. Some days you made bank with one show that would last hours, but it would really take it out of me physically. I would come out of the private show and my regulars would be like “Woah are you okay?” I met a lot of nice people, a lot of jerks, some weirdos. All in all it was a great experience.”

“Even as a non-nude you can still make bank, as I was regularly pulling in $200-$300 a night (wasn’t on every night though)”

“OP hasn’t started camming yet, but I can answer from my experience. I mostly work on Streamate and I make about $100-$150/hr. I usually aim for $2000 minimum per week. Most of my shows are one-on-one or small groups (usually <5 people at once). I do a few big group shows per day where I'll have anywhere from 20-50+ paying customers. When I'm in free chat I usually have around 20 people in my room, but there are times when I have over 100 viewers."

These chicks have made 75,000 pounds worth of expensive free shit just for posting selfies, no nudity or meeting anyone:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sisters-posing-sexy-selfies-net-6874958

"They have been caught up in the so-called “rinsing” craze where men lavish gifts on women they spot online but expect nothing in return.

Some spend hundreds a week. But mum-of-one Lucy claims the girls are doing nothing wrong – despite ­admitting to occasional flirty phone calls. The part-time model insisted: “It’s not seedy. It’s hardly like we’re selling our bodies. We’re doing many of these men a favour. They love our pictures and tell us how fun we look. We brighten up their day, in an innocent way.

“We’d never meet or do anything sexual. We’re not like that. My boyfriend doesn’t have a problem with it. He thinks it’s funny, if anything. Although he’s stuck on what to get for Christmas as I already have so much.”"

This chick just eats her meals on camera and makes bank:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547254/South-Korean-woman-known-The-Diva-makes-9-400-month-streaming-eating-online-three-hours-day-manages-stay-chopstick-thin.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/camming/comments/3tfcik/suddenly_making_much_less_on_chaturbate/

"I make 100k+/year working ~20 hrs per week. Realistically there aren't many other jobs that I could get (without spending a huge amount of money and time to go back to school with no guarantee of it paying off) that would give me that kind of salary.

Freedom is another big one. I work when I want to work, I'm my own boss, and I work from home. For me, that's my dream job. And most importantly, I genuinely love what I do. Paying a few hundred a month for health insurance is more than worth it for me."

From a stripper forum:

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?166833-Chaturbate-for-reals

"My favorite thing about this site is how amazing the different guys can be, and the hourly contest. I almost always get 1st or 2nd place when I'm on, and I usually have all my clothes on doing so. And the guys that have tokens can sometimes just go crazy with them. At least once every week I'll have one of my regulars (or a new guy who becomes on) who will suddenly come on the site and just throw money at me for every new goal, or just because he likes me. They tell me they love me quite often XD I make $100 easy on that site after working for an hour most of the time. I've had times where I've made $400 in an hour and a half. When these guys get to know you, and start to love seeing you every day, you fall in love with working there. I have tons of followers and make my rent there no problem. I've got rent paid for this month just from working Chaturbate (and some MFC) from the 3rd to the 6th this month. "

"I also adore chaturbate. And I do not even do countdowns,or really do anything other than sit and amuse myself by insulting most of the guys.In fact I'm usually dressed and simply ignoring them and I still make money. Enough that I get a check everytime,without even trying."

Here's the thing, and I don't mean this as an insult, but either you two sucked at marketing your porn girl or she's a bitch (you SAID she was selfish, how charming do you think she really was in a chat full of guys during slow periods where no one is tipping and how much do you think she was thinking "these ungrateful freeloaders!!!" and not engaging them).

Webcam shit is a commision/sales job. Some people aren't good at that. There's a blatant difference between the girls with thousands of users in their chat making bank and the ones with 10 users making fuck all, and it's that the ones with thousands are smarter at marketing. Just like some strippers suck at building rapport with people and just walk up and go "so, you want a dance?" and make $60 in a night and come out complaining that stripping is impossible and no one makes money etc, and there are strippers who have regulars coming in every night to shower them with money and gifts and milk new customers out of hundreds in a night because they're good with people and know how to hustle.

The chicks who make bank do a bunch of shit that your girl probably didn't do:

– they use OhMiBods which are basically a goldmine because guys get caught up in directly getting the girl off (power rush, teamwork to "torture" her, etc) which cause huge floods of tips and all the girl has to really do is sit there and have a bunch of orgasms that she loves because she gets to play out some submissive shit with strangers controlling the vibe. The toy lists a chart in chat where it's got 5 different levels of intensity/duration and a 1 token tip makes it buzz slightly for a split second while a 1000 tip basically destroys the girl. Tons of guys tip a bunch of 1s then 25s then 100s then 500s with the occasional 1000 and the girl has the time of her life. It skyrockets when you factor in tactics like I list below on top of it:

– they cam on multiple sites at once, they have cams and chats for different cam sites so that they maximize their viewers and minimize their effort

– they pit the guys against eachother, like 500 tokens for me to orgasm, but 501 tokens for me to have to stop and deny myself an orgasm…what happens when you set that dynamic up? Most of the guys want to watch you cum so they drop bank on there, and a few guys want to torture you so they drop the 501 in there and then the 500 to cum starts over again. That's smart as fuck and the tips go through the roof. And of course the leaderboards.

– the girls sell videos and photo packages of themselves for tokens, so if you tip her 1000 you also get 10 videos of her from previous sessions or non-webcam videos of her doing shit

– they have a social media presence like Twitter to build followers and reward guys for retweeting their naked pics and links to their cam and announce wh