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on November 16th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
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@redlight
“I don’t see why YaReally has to waste his time when these idiots show up.”

I almost wrote a reply and then was just like meh lol. This is why I write all those pages about the subject though, because so many guys are DYING to hamster rationalize everything into supporting their fucked up world view like this guy that if you give them even an inch they’ll use it as an excuse to stay Blue/Purple Pill and keep their victim complex because being able to blame not winning the lottery for why you’re not rich is a lot easier than admitting you just didn’t put in the work, time, and effort that other people did to get there.

New one, and one of my new favorites on the subject (though at 5:20 I would add “you run out of things to say and have bad body language, weak voice tonality, can’t hold eye-contact etc” for the Rational Male crowd which is what he means and PUAs know he means that but some of the guys here are more hellbent on the specifics lol so he means that you have bad subcomms, not just that you stop talking):

I’m mid-30s, chubby, dress in plain clothes (I wear a $10 t-shirt), have no money, and pulled a 21yo from a kiddie nightclub this weekend while sober (with the approval of her friend who left her there with me, also my girl bought me a drink and paid for our cab and was the one who told me “you’re coming over after right?” “we’re going to my place after” “I’m hungry…(aka extract me)” etc). Chick is a minor local social media celeb with a few hundred thousand followers, her phone was literally like 4 pages of new message notifications when she pulled it out to show me her pics and she doesn’t even read like 99% of them because it’s so normalized to her to be bombarded with validation now lol She was a cool chick though, a lot of down-to-earth Red Pill perspectives about her looks and minor fame and she volunteered the observation that her Likes mean nothing and was annoyed when she posted a pic and a huge flood of Likes instantly appeared because she’s feeling the pressure of everyone worshipping her and thinking she’s perfect and being stuck in a Yes Man bubble where no one will call her out when she’s misbehaving or wrong and all that psychological conflict that someone in that position suffers, and yet, as a chick she can’t help but keep taking note of her Likes because it’s still a little dopamine/validation hit. It’s like watching someone who’s addicted to heroin keep coming back to it even though they verbalize that they want to quit.

The world of the <25yo crowd has definitely changed since 2005 when I started in the game and it's notably affected their overall mindsets…they have an abundance mentality that's off the charts and has probably never existed in history on this large a scale. Got a lot of thoughts on this 2015 era and what it's doing and how to optimally game in it but I need to collect more data and compare experiences with other guys and shit before I say anything conclusive.

The TL;DR of my observations so far, for maximum odds for the average guy to get the 25yo crowd but it’s not as pronounced…ie – that 30+yo chick has at some point been cold approached so it’s not as magical special and she’s only had social media and texting for like 5-10 years, but a 21yo in 2015 has possibly literally never been competently cold-approached and feels like she just walked into a Ryan Gosling movie if it happens (again the chick from this weekend was complaining about how no one meets in person anymore everyone just has their head in their phones, which again goes back to what I was saying in that other thread:

https://therationalmale.com/2015/11/10/the-purple-pill/comment-page-2/#comment-127217

…about the really hot girls actually looking around the room receptive to being approached instead of burying their noses in their phones), and she’s been raised on social media and texting as a normalized part of her life so there seem to be differences.

I’m even noticing differences in their concepts of a Day2, ie – going for drinks in public incase you’re a murderer VS just immediately coming over to netflix & chill (which is insane and dangerous). A 30+yo chick knows that some guys could be psycho murderers and prefer meeting in public first because that’s what they grew up with, but these <25yo chicks seem to be cool with just going right over to a guy's apartment with no public day2 to hang out which blows my fucking mind but my theory so far is that it could be because they're so surrounded by asexual beta chodes in this feminized society who are scared to make any kind of a move that they literally aren't even afraid of being alone with a guy because they don't expect him to be any kind of a sexual threat (except for the psycho loud feminist minorities that see rape around every corner on Jezebel lol)…like guys are so pussy to make a move and that's all these girls have experienced so it's almost not even in their reality that going to a guy's apartment to "netflix & chill" isn't a smart idea, and I think that same thing has affected some other dynamics as well.

But again I need more data on this, a buddy and I are just seeing bits and pieces of a pattern and extrapolating based on logic right now as we try to get ahead of the curve and adapt our game to these changes. From what I can tell the stuff RSDJulien teaches is the forefront of banging the <25yo crowd right now, with RSDTyler a close second, which makes sense because they're the ones out there hammering it out every night around the world.

This seems like it will also have overall societal consequences because I think the 20% of men fuck 80% of the women divide is going to become more like 5% of the men fuck 95% of the women and that's going to create a lot more guys like Tim up above and we've seen the end result of that mindset. From what I'm seeing lately I literally have no idea how the average Blue Pill guy is getting laid in 2015, like the odds are stacked so hard against him because of social media if he doesn't make an effort to learn some game that I can't even imagine how he would pull it off except for just sheer blind luck of being in the right place at the right time.


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on November 16th, 2015 at 7:52 pm
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@whoever said this silly shit
“working in McDonald’s in the lowest grade position”

One of the original oldschool community lines was telling girls you work at taco bell and are hoping to be promoted to head fry chef or some shit, can’t remember it exactly. Any guy who thinks his job matters should spend 6-12 months sarging and telling girls he works in the lowest value job he can think of, to find out how little it matters. I purposely tell girls I do a very low value boring low-paying job just because it’s funny to me that they’ll fuck me despite that (plus it helps avoid being put in the Provider category, which results in them putting out faster because they generally treat a Lover and Provider differently).

In the PUA community we make guys go out without their safety nets once they get to like Intermediate/Advanced stage. Like if you’re attached to your hair looking nice, go out with it messy for a few months, if you have a pre-game routine like drinking and shit, go out without doing that routine for a few months, if you always mention your high-value job start telling girls you have a low-value job etc etc.

Destroying your comfort zones:

REAL value to women, and how to build it:


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on November 16th, 2015 at 8:25 pm
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btw the 21yo didn’t even ask my age. And I don’t look like I’m in my 20s lol I would stop going to this kiddie nightclub but I keep ending up making out with <25yo's there. An older man with a solid "oak tree" frame/dominance with a sexual undertone is a fantasy for most of them, especially being surrounded by weak-framed "squirrel" asexual younger guys all through their lives up till then.


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on November 16th, 2015 at 9:31 pm
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@Tim
I don’t understand what part of that would get you banned lol I agree with most of what you wrote and most of it is pretty obvious to anyone looking objectively at the world around us.

“Women haven’t gone amuck – they’re just doing what women do.”

This is really the crux of understanding the Red Pill and game. If you don’t tell a 5yo to not eat cookies for dinner, that 5yo is going to eat cookies for dinner. The 5yo isn’t malicious, they’re just a 5yo running on impulses with no one keeping them in check. The mistake is in expecting that 5yo to instinctively know not to eat cookies fro dinner and then being upset/disappointed when they eat them, let alone taking up a legal contract (marriage) and changing laws and the rest of society etc all based on the assumption that that 5yo will instinctively know not to eat cookies, even when half of the changes you make to society actually incentivize that 5yo TO eat cookies.

You’re still an edgelord with comments like “Hopefully, I get banned here, too.” tho lol you’re not some 13yo goth kid on an call of duty forum jesus.


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on November 16th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
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@CaveClown
“What does this 5% of men that will be banging the chicks look like? Is it still looks, money, game…pick two?”

What happens when women have thousands of options for looks and money at their fingertips? Those things lose their value. And even if they had value, do girls make a rational logical calculation before they get turned on, of “well this guy only has 6/10 game but he has 9/10 looks and 8/10 money that my final calculation is–” or do they just run with their tingle emotions in the moment when Blaximus flirts with them behind the McDonald’s counter or RSDTyler gets up in their face fucking with their emotions? Why did that 21yo ignore the dozens+ offers on her phone from men way better looking and richer and offering way more material value than me, to flirt with me and take me home? If she had logically calculated my overall value and compared it to even a quarter of the guys who messaged her that night alone, she’d have found a dozen better prospects than me. Hell even in that bar there were younger buffer richer taller guys than me…and yet who’s she buying a drink for and telling to come home with her?

It’s always going to come down to game (and taking action lol)

“If only 5% are in the game, won’t most chicks not get laid than? Are they really content with the social media validation instead of real flesh and blood men?”

Most chicks will all fuck the same guy (social proof, preselection, you know the drill) and the social media validation CAN be as good as banging a beta chode because she can at least believe in the fantasy that the social media validation is coming from higher value men than she’s around in real flesh and blood life.

“She told me that nobody really “dates” at all. She said some boys pursue girls, but most are “cheeto eating gamers” that don’t.”

This aligns with what I’m seeing in-field with the <25yo crowd. The boys have been neutered by feminism and passive distractions like videogames and shit, and the girls are wholly unimpressed with their peers and are very rarely even exposed to "alpha" and interestingly I'm finding they sometimes don't seem to consciously/forebrain know how to process running into "alpha" but their subconscious/hindbrain kicks in and takes over because IT'S like "holy shit FINALLY", so they have a little mental battle that goes on while they try to get both brains in alignment. Hard to describe but it takes the form of a lot of hot & cold followed by chasing, as their brain fights between being attracted and not being used to being attracted and the being attracted eventually winning.

"She said most of the girls have fooled around and had sex with one or two guys,"

lol

"but that only a few were “sluts” that did more than that, and only with the top guys. The top guys were not necessarily the jocks either, but usually the ones that had a “reputation” (not sure what she meant by that)"

She means the guys who fuck a lot of girls end up fucking more girls. You asked what that "5% of men look like", she's describing it. It ain't pretty for the other 95% of men.

"or access to weed. But, she stressed that they were not the weed “losers” either. She said there is classmates with college aged guys as fuck buddies."

College aged and above I'm sure. A few likely have sugar daddies or definitely will in college.

"She said 99% of the girls are bitchy and entitled, and think that men are not worth their time."

They're not necessarily bitchy because they're shitty people, but more because NO ONE will stop them from being bitchy and EVERYONE will enable and reward it…so why wouldn't they be bitchy? Especially when they're surrounded by boys who are basically worthless dirt or worse to them, because they're repulsively beta…do you step around every ant you see on the sidewalk? And, unfortunately, there are chicks who, Mean Girls style, happily embrace having worthless subjects to bully around and hamster rationalize that its okay to basically abuse betas because they're not really human to them. The glimpses I've seen of it are a little creepy sadistic to be honest lol (picture that experiment where the people torture others for science and rationalize it and some of them kind of take a sick pleasure in it)…but at the same time it's just a more extreme version of the same dynamic My Humps describes: "I say no but they keep givin, so I keep on takin" Would they do this stuff if the guys weren't so beta or if someone smacked them down for it like society used to?

This 21yo chick, when she wants food, just posts "I'm hungry for X" on her social media and inevitably within a few minutes some thirsty guy will take care of it for her and send her food delivery paid for etc. The guy doesn't even want sex (like, he does but he doesn't expect it and is just happy to do stuff for her) and she has thousands of these guys lined up to do stuff for her and they are DYING to do it for her and couch it in "oh no don't worry I LIKE doing nice things for a pretty girl ;)" etc.

Is she a bitch or are they creating the situation where she doesn't really have a reason not to do it? If a bunch of girls were throwing free offers of sex at you, how long would you resist before you went "well, okay if it'll make you happy I guess you can suck my dick, if you'll drive all the way over here and bring me a pizza because I'm too lazy to get out of bed" and they happily do it.

An interesting side note that I'm noticing is that the really young chicks I'm running into seem to assume "beta by default". Because they're so surrounded by beta chodes and have been the entire time growing up, that they assume my buddies and I will jump when they snap their fingers and shit like they're used to and they get mad when we don't because we aren't doing what we're "supposed" to like the other guys, and then they end up chasing but not understanding why they're chasing or how to chase because they've never had to do it or felt the desire to do it and it's literally confusing to them. It's fascinating to see.

"She doesn’t like the players, even though she says they excite her, but doesn’t feel she has another option besides the cheeto eating gamer guys, whom she likes as friends, but not more than that."

She'll have another option once she gets old enough to hit the bar scene. Guess who. 😉

Thanks for the intel, your convo with her confirms a lot of stuff I'm seeing infield and a lot of theories I have on why I'm seeing it.

@LM
"I’m having a hard time believing kids today are opting out of the f**k fest (can I say that here?) in favor Searching for meaningful companionship at the bars."

They're fucking the alphas and generally high-value males, and go to the bars because bars are basically huge stimulus floods for them and there's a chance they'll meet actual alpha males there since most of the betas are at home eating cheetohs and playing xbox on a Friday night. None of them are looking for "meaningful companionship" in 2015 lol Most of the girls I meet disqualify themselves from relationship potential before I can do it myself, like they're saying stuff that in 2005 my buddies and I had to say to try to get girls to not want more than just sex…but these girls are saying it like all they want is to get fucked. It's crazy, but makes my job a lot easier in that area.

"Besides Why is it now impossible to see someone as an equal human being but only want sex from them? Are the two mutually exclusive?"

"I’ll say this as gently as I can…you are her father. You may not be getting the whole story for obvious reasons. I’m not suggesting anything bad about her behavior at all, but I know that I can’t recall having any such conversations about the sexual hobbies of my peers with my dad."

lol take her phone from her out of the blue and look for Tinder, Snapchat, Instagram, her messaging apps, her Facebook inbox etc Really just befriend any 18-25yo girl (chat one up at the bar and joke around about social media and Tinder and thirsty guys etc) and get her to show you her Tinder matches, Snapchats, Instagram etc. Shit will blow your fuckin mind.


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on November 16th, 2015 at 11:29 pm
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@LM
“Men and women hook up without strings all the time and it’s celebrated,”

When did I say they don’t?

“and it’s not just the so called alpha males hooking up either.”

I never said it was.

“If you’ve read my comments you know I’m well aware that everyone is fucking around.”

I have no idea who you are. I just quoted some shit you said and responded to it.

“who is telling young men they have to be monogamous these days? Their parents, the church?”

Media, influenced by the FI.

“And do you seriously think they’re listening? All the evidence shows they are not.”

Do you think the majority of young men have control over how much sex they have? Or, as a woman who only sees the 20% as existing and the 80% not existing because of your solipsistic nature, do you think the 20% represent the whole? “The badboy jock who registers on my radar is getting laid all the time and not being monogamous so that means all men are like that!” “what about the nerds in the computer class?” “huh?? the…nerds…?? ……ERROR BAD FEELS DOES NOT COMPUTE END CONVERSATION YOURE BAD GO AWAY!!! ERROR ERROR ERROR”

Thank-you for dropping by to personally demonstrate the stuff we talk about here.


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on November 17th, 2015 at 5:59 am
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@James
When people become rich/successful, they often begin to find value in philanthropy, charity, mentorship, etc, helping elevate other people to their level to share in their success.

If you don’t like the selection of pre-made alphas at your level (which is entirely understandable, a lot of them are douchebags), befriend some betas with decent basic qualities, and over time help them elevate themselves to your level but with a proper non-douchebag structure underneath.

Most of the alphas I’ve hung with are the ones with a variety of friends…in high school they bounced around from the jocks to the nerds to the loners/outsiders to the normal kids even to the staff at times, able to be the social connector between groups and find value in pretty much anyone (and more importantly help people find value in themselves) and have the frame to not care if they catch flak for it and, most of the time, make the people giving them flak for it feel retarded FOR giving them flak about being friends with people who are different.

It sounds woo-woo, but it can be as simple as an off-hand comment/question that includes them in a conversation and gives them a chance to shine, or a bit of praise for something well done, or an invite to an event. Like the guy who rounds everyone up in the office for a beer at the pub down the street after work on a Friday and makes sure to make the new guy at work feel invited and welcome. You don’t necessarily have to flat out teach them “look here’s some Red Pill knowledge”, even just leading by example or giving them the opportunity to lead themselves can start a growth process in them.

Does it directly benefit that alpha to do that? Not necessarily…it CAN, but then, that’s not really the point of philanthropy is it. 😉


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@James
Channing Tatum (in general, but his role in 21 Jump Street) is a great example of what I’m talking about:

At 4:25 in this (tho the whole clip is hilarious and worth a watch, they spike this girl’s emotions through the roof and bust on her a bunch and self-amuse etc (being high probably helped lol)):

Brad Pitt at to this first lady’s question:

He’s way less comfortable/natural around Brad Pitt but that’s ’cause he’s just closer buddies with Tatum, but the point is even a guy like Brad Pitt tries to elevate the guys around him and sees value in the people around him that don’t necessarily see that value in themselves.

Russell Brand makes basically everyone around him at all times (like at 40 seconds into this) feel special and he hands out genuine personalized compliments because he looks for the value in people, whether they realize they have it or not:

Do any of these guys HAVE to elevate Jonah or the nerds in that 21 Jump Street role? Does it directly benefit them? Not REALLY, they don’t NEED to do it…alpha CAN be a selfish dickish thing, but like, it doesn’t have to be. When you have your shit handled, elevate other people and inspire them to handle their shit too. Then you’ll have friends and peers that aren’t douchebags.


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@CaveClown
“An alpha man makes a big impression on women, but also a big impression on lesser men. Life altering in some instances.”

@Liz
“I just can’t help noticing how diverse this definition is, and how contentious it often is.”

And yet, having different opinions doesn’t prevent us from still discussing things, viewing things from eachother’s perspectives, and even being alright with reaching different conclusions based on our various life experiences. Weird, hey? It’d be a lot easier if someone would just tell us what to think.

@Fred Flange
Thanks for the snippet. Again it confirms the stuff I’m seeing infield in the <25yo range:

– there's no such thing as dating now, it's a foreign concept to these chicks…which makes day2 game almost pointless. It seems like the general M.O. is "go over to netflix & chill a few times and if there's chemistry then bang when the girl decides she wants to". This is nice in that it means no more day2s or spending money on booze and shit at a bar, but it also means hanging out with a girl for a couple hours at my/her apartment doing fuck and all instead of having sex which is like, 1) boring, I have other shit I could be doing that's more productive but then I'm mid-30s, the 16-25yo crowd has nothing to do but hang out, and 2) builds too much Comfort and will probably trigger them falling in love faster if they're looking for a relationship (which most aren't) or kill attraction by taking you out of the Lover frame and into the Provider frame if they're looking for a Lover, so I'm finding there are nuances to it…but it's definitely not like it was in 2005 where if a girl came over that meant she's there for sex and we both know it. It's kind of a surreal dynamic but seems to make sense to them in their world.

Their current strategy almost forces the guy to build more Comfort, but they don't realize that building that Comfort will reduce their value as a Lover and make them less attractive, so in a way the girls are kind of shooting themselves in the foot but have so much abundance they don't care. Best way to explain it is imagine you're surrounded by girls that want to fuck you but you make them all eat McDonald's for a year before you'll fuck them because that's just the norm now and they're happy to do it for the chance and you can screen them harder etc, and you may even really think at the start that you're going to fuck them someday…but the more McDonald's they eat the less attractive they get to you so that when you're finally comfortable with them they're no longer attractive to you…but that's okay because your Tinder just lit up and there are 50 more girls to take her place. It's a fascinating dynamic when you understand seduction and attraction

– because the boys are all super-thirsty, it seems like the girls basically have cock on demand and understand it…so these girls keep trying to "take charge" and determine the timeline of when we fuck because, in their experience in life so far, that's how it works, the boys orbit her and are grateful for any miniscule scrap of attention she gives them, even just allowing them to hang out and watch netflix and not get sex out of it and they happily come back for more, until she decides they're going to have sex and then she takes charge and the boys go along with it. This is weird compared to the old days where it's the man leading the interaction and determining the timeline etc. Again these are small patterns I'm noticing and I'm sure there are ways to counter it and steamroll over it etc, but it's interesting to see multiple girls pulling the same behaviors.

– boys can't cold approach and are basically huge pussies now, who hide behind social media and texting to interact with girls most of the time. This is alright in high-school where they're all locked in a school together, but when they all hit the bar scene those boys are going to be obliterated by older men because they're just not equipped to handle approaching girls and seducing them…most of the time they just end up making guys like me look BETTER because the girl is like "thank god, someone who isn't like the neutered boys I'm surrounded by all day" Hopefully some of those boys find the Red Pill but if they don't, we're in for a lot more Elliot Rogers. The FI has them fucking terrified to even think of women as sexual objects let alone competently treat them as such the way women WANT them to.

– <25yo girls don't seem to have much of a reference for "alpha" and don't recognize it immediately. It's like they instinctively try to get you to chase now, but if you don't they aren't bothered and will just move on because they have so many options and don't really realize that some options are better than others. But the interesting thing is that if you can get them live in-person, they instinctively react with attraction to alpha behavior and seem confused by it.

– the girls also don't seem to know how to seduce men anymore, because why would they? They don't HAVE to, they have hundreds of thirsty beta chodes chasing them that will snap to attention at any opportunity they get, so when you DO hook them it's hilarious because they're like, kind of inept/awkward about it. Like they want to hang out but don't know how to make it happen in a smooth way, kind of like an AFC, so they say/do weird shit or throw out weirdly see-thru invites but it's all couched in this neutral vibe like you read their texts and go "…is this her trying to get me to fuck her? wtf?" It's like they haven't had to learn to show interest/intent and "convince" a guy to fuck them, because of all the validation they're getting, so when they DO want to, they revert to AFC behavior.

– they're pretty much ALWAYS out in groups, BARE minimum 2 but usually 3+. I can't even remember the last time I've seen a girl at a bar solo in the <25yo range. And they are DAMN hard to separate from their friends now…it's like they all have to hold hands all night and can never separate or the world will end. This is a big contrast from the old days, esp when texting barely existed, where girls would just ditch their friends no fucks given to go on an adventure with some guy they're attracted to. It's like this weird…not co-dependent? Maybe that IS the word? I don't know but it's like, they're scared to be "independent" (ironically, with feminism and all). Not sure how to describe it, but like it's this weird clingy thing like they don't know what to do if they don't have a group consensus or all go with eachother. But I figure that's what leads to the whole netflix & chill attitude, they basically hang in groups and eventually by the end of the night it's down to just two people who finally hook up and they're all cool with this slow passive pace.

– I can't imagine how a lot of these boys are getting laid and I'm pretty sure they aren't, and are settling for validation from the girls in place of it. Like with enough long text convos with girls and long hangout nights with girls where something COULD happen, supplemented with easy-access internet porn, that almost seems to be enough for a lot of these boys. Like they think they're doing good if they can get that attention because at least it's attention…but the girls just like having the orbiter validation and don't want to fuck them.

There'll be counters to all of this stuff, and it might not even be hugely widescale yet but like, my buddy and I are noticing it because both of us have been gaming for years and watched this shift happen. I have no doubt we'll figure out how to work within this newer culture and dominate it but we're in a learning curve with it right now.

I even know a 23yo girl who in our first conversation flat out told me her plan is to fool around with random guys and focus on her career and then cash in with a beta bucks in her 30s and has one lined up already. Like, holy shit lol

@Rollo
"Roosh, and more than a few purple pill dating coaches are married to the game. Their financial solvency depends on pandering to the romantic insecurities of others. As a result they socially isolate themselves from learning opportunities that would help them develop mature understandings about women and men and what motivates them at different times of their lives."

This is why I don't just sell my shit and make a career out of that. The career I'm focusing on is 100% unrelated to anything I type here. That's WHY I can go out there and try new shit and fuck around and write about what I'm noticing infield instead of having to front and bluff or stick rigidly to a system with my name on it.

I think a big problem for Roosh is that he's never really challenged himself, he's always run away from challenge and looked for the easier way around it. Getting bitch-shields? Run away and find girls who don't shit-test. Need to step up your game in North America? Run off to Europe and Thailand. Girl doesn't txt you back right away? Next her instead of trying to find ways to get her to respond. Girl isn't immediately receptive to you when you approach? Next her and find one who is. Like, how could he really grow when he's always running away from the shit that would force him to?

It's basically the classic case of someone playing to not lose instead of playing to win.

@CaveClown
"Seems like blackdragon and the like are on the leading edge of accounting for that lack of monogamy in women, or redefining monogamy as the salon article implies."

No idea wtf redefining monogamy is, but the Blackdragon types are out there looking for solutions and as always we'll figure this shit out. Really my summary of pLTRs (check my archive) is the optimal route right now, all there is left to solve is how to pull off having and raising kids successfully in a pLTR arrangement. Unfortunately it's (obviously) a lot harder/slower to get those data points lol

@teddj4g
"I’m saying soon it will NOT be the norm to be sexually monogamous"

The 21yo I pulled this weekend went into rants about how humans aren't meant to be monogamous before I could get a word out of my rant that I used to have to use to convince them of that lol Monogamy is dead and will be replaced with open Hypergamy and cuckoldry from the women's side, and agreeing to those terms or learning pickup and creating pLTRs on the men's side.

I have no idea what all these things will lead to in terms of how society will look in 10-20 years but it's sure as shit going to look DIFFERENT.


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@teddj4g
“So my point was: if like me a young man wants monogamy with an average woman, he may not find many takers. They may want to LTR him up, but if the expectation of sexual exclusivity is included in his offer, he’s gonna find that a difficult sell if she’s grown up with no such concept.”

This is what’s happening out there. Even if I WANTED a monoLTR with a <25yo girl it would be difficult to find a taker because they have been FULLY raised in the eat pray love FI mindset. A lot of them seem to view having a boyfriend as an INCONVENIENCE rather than a GOAL…but at the same time, that could be because they're surrounded by feminized beta chodes that they can't envision a monoLTR with, VS if like the guy from Twilight wanted a monoLTR with them they might be down for it.

It's kind of like if you were surrounded by fat chicks and the fatties were like "don't you want a monoLTR?" and you have seen ZERO girls above like a 4/10 your entire life, you'd be like "no fuck a monoLTR, if I have to fuck these fatties I'm at least not going to tie myself down to one because they're all going to get clingy and fatter and I'm going to need to bail on them the second an 8+/10 walks through the room and I have a shot with them"

"Which is why most men will check out, because of not being comfortable with “their woman” banging other guys."

Thus the huge push toward normalizing cuckoldry and the AF/BB system the last few years. We're smart enough and old enough to not fall for that, but is some 12yo boy who's picking up how the world works through TV because he has no dad (esp not an alpha one) to teach him and his single mom uses it to babysit him while she goes out and fucks guys like me?


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@theasdgamer
“I’ve observed a phenomenon and wondered if you had seen it, too. Two older girls, good friends, one of them (‘A’) throws the other (‘B’) at you and B isn’t all that excited about you, but A is. Maybe A thinks that B needs to be in a relationship and thinks that you are hot and a good match for B.”

Usually this means Girl A wants to fuck you but is taken or otherwise unable to, so she throws Girl B at you hoping that she’ll fuck you and she can live vicariously through Girl B’s experience the next day. It’s actually pretty common for girls to be happy for their friend to hook up with a high-value guy, like hearing all about it the next day and/or imagining what it’s like is almost as good to them as fucking the guy themselves. Unfortuantely when they throw the girl at you it can create ASD or the girl might just not be interested in general and then it’s awkward.

@Fred Flange
“Maybe the way over this speedbump is to work a new variant on game to break up the group, then create a chance to isolate and escalate.”

Ya that’s called Mystery Method lol That’s why I recently re-absorbed all the oldschool MM stuff, ’cause I predict Group Theory and being able to run mixed sets full of orbiters etc is going to be vital for landing the hot girls. Social circle game should work too, but it’s tricky to pull off social circle game when you have like 10+ years on the girls and their friends (I’m focused on the <25yo girls, not the 25+), like you either have to have social circles of younger people which can be daunting as an older guy, or somehow need an older crowd social circle to mingle with a younger crowd social circle and it's tough to find multiple older guys who aren't basically George Costanza.

"he’s reporting on the girls who actually GO to the club or bar. The New York Mag piece suggests there’s a great many more who don’t."

I'll be getting into daygame next year probably but ya, all my reports come from the nightclub/bar/pub/lounge scene. And the college scene, I'm in a university city and the VAST majority of girls who aren't ugly or socially retarded go out to the bars at SOME point…often the ones who aren't really the bar star type will just be dragged along by their friends because of peer pressure but stay relatively sober/shy or be the DD for the night etc.

"Maybe they do group clones and Snapchat Storying in dorm rooms, lounges, or coffee joints."

From what I can tell they do most of that at home. Why would they shower up and throw on clothes and makeup and shit just to go stare at their phone when they can do it from their bed.

"The chodes do likewise, Calling of Duty instead of Snapchat storyboarding."

This definitely happens. A huge number of boys have just checked out entirely because, well, what are their options? Become one of those evil manipulative PUAs? Follow the drill sergeants at the TRP telling them to lift when they just want to eat doritos and play xbox since Chad Thundercock will get the girls anyway? Plus they can Tinder or online date to interact with girls, nice and safe, no putting their egos on the line, and then rub one out to porn. I bet in the future we see a decrease in the number of boys at the bar and an increase in the number of girls, as more girls get jaded with the online dating stuff.

"If you are going to do any sexting, don’t use the university’s servers, the proctors will be watching you, use your phone as the hotspot and go outside the network…"

I'm not even going to get into how there's probably a retarded increase of selfie-taken child-porn out there now because of smartphones, like 14yo girls and shit. I don't even know how the law would deal with that. But like, almost every girl has a handful of sexy/naked selfies on her phone these days. I used to joke about it but now it's just normal par for the course.

"and be sure to save the threads to show it’s consensual in case you become subject to Room 101 interrogation."

Definitely do this. We advise a bunch of this. Take precautions and manage Buyer's Remorse. Buying her an Egg McMuffin for breakfast could keep you from being the next Mattress Girl victim.

"No forward greeting without a proper introduction. Daisy, I’d like you to meet Mr. Jay Gatsby…"

hmmm, I wonder if that would happen. A return to formal introductions and shit, to help weed out the betas. I haven't thought about that.

@teddj4g
"women tend to enjoy being “owned” by a man they perceives as high value"

and @hank holiday
"Very basic stuff. But it had such an effect on her I was thinking “Has any guy EVER hit on her well at all? I don’t think she’s ever experienced anything other than guys begging for her attention.”"

Agreed. I actually don't think either gender likes this situation that's forming out there, like I don't think these girls WANT to take the lead like they are, but they're so surrounded by betas that won't take the lead that they have no CHOICE. And they wouldn't know how to let a man take the lead even if they ran into him because it's so outside of their experience. I'm noticing that girls seem to freeze up when I escalate hard on the first meetup, like they weren't expecting to have sex at ALL they thought we were just going to netflix and chill, and normally if a girl freezes up and leaves without having sex it's like okay she just wasn't into me whatever so at first I was like well I guess I'll never hear from them again. But pretty consistently so far (only a few times at this point, need more data points but this was pretty much NEVER the case in the old days), a day or two later the girl will text like FULLY wanting to come over again or making an excuse for us to hang out etc.

It's like their brain is shellshocked by an alpha making actual moves on them because in their <25 years they've never experienced that before, they were expecting to hang out a few times and just beat around the bush with it until they decided to let the guy fuck them and that's what they're used to, so it's like they need to retreat and process what just happened, but instinctively their hindbrain loves it so they come back with twice as much interest in hanging out and experiencing that again.

In the old days chicks came over knowing we're probably going to fuck. It's like it's coming as a complete shock to them that when you come over to a guy's apartment he's going to make moves on you, because that never happens with the thousands of beta chodes that orbit them but won't make a move.

AGAIN I want to stress that a lot of this is keyboard jockey observation so far, I need way more data and to compare way more notes before I declare this shit all concrete, but I've seen enough consistency with it so far to perk my ears up and pay attention and look for patterns/explanations.

@lh
"The future “career” may be to be part of an “harem” at young age to get experience and later build one of your own to capitalize on it."

It's interesting because the way I'm starting to adjust my game is starting to look a lot like an oldschool HB10s game would look: much more passive waiting on the other side to initiate texts and hangouts, and just collecting a shitload of them to make up for having to wait around. Actually attempting to chase them seems to lump me in with their hundreds of thousands of social media follower orbiters, and yet if I don't make enough of an emotional impact on them (aka need moar Julien game) they won't bother initiating/chasing because they have access to literally thousands of guys 24/7 that are all way better looking have more money etc than me (which is also why I stress game, because even if you get looks and money you're just another guy in that huge herd of guys who all look as good and have as much money as you).

Personally I don't like it, I like pro-active game where I control when and who comes over and can schedule my week around it and like I say I think girls instinctively like it better that way too even if they've never experienced it before etc, but I'm just experimenting going with the flow right now to see where this rabbithole leads.

@CaveClown
"I’ve thought about how I would be with women if I end up single (or now as much as I can with the wife), and I guess that would be “I will be good to them for as long as they are good to me, and I will not compromise my frame, MPO, mission, or financials to do so”"

Congrats on handling your shit. And this attitude, ideally, is what more and more men will have in the future. That's why I say TRP/MRA/Manosphere/PUA/MGTOW, we all have the same end goal in common: men focusing on themselves, their happiness, and their mission, with properly screened women being allowed to tag along for the ride if they bring value to the table and 100% on the man's terms with no legal contracts or obligations etc.

@hank holiday
"So I think my gut was right there."

Ya, I'm getting a lot of bonus points for cold approaching, espeically with the really hot girls. My way of describing it is this:

There's two rooms, in the LEFT room the guys cold approach and in the RIGHT room everyone texts/social medias/tinders. Before online dating, women were all in the Left room and cold approach was abundant and women were jaded by it. Then online dating happened and all the hot girls went to the Right room because the guys cold approaching were lame and they hoped they'd meet higher quality men on this new online dating scene where they had all these options to screen guys out and shit. That's when I got into it and like, originally online dating was full of hot college chicks who just wanted to party and have fun and bang. Then all the lame guys in the Left room heard they can get laid by hot girls online just with some text messages instead of having to cold approach so they swarmed the Right room and scared off the hot girls…and then the ugly girls heard they could get laid by tons of guys in the Right room so they swarmed in and now online has become a wasteland of single moms and fatties and old chicks and damaged goods and shit.

Now those hot girls seem to have run back to the Left room, and everyone else is staying in the Right room because for the girls they have a ton of selection (lots of good-looking rich guys who are just scared to cold approach and will happily bang a 6) and the guys are getting laid enough without having to put their balls on the line doing scary cold approach, and it's like I walked by the doorway and noticed "hmm, there's all these hot girls in this other room." and walked in. And those girls are now jaded and bored by the texting and online dating scene and are either jonesing for an alpha who cold approaches them like they used to have, or if they're <25yo they're jonesing for that cold approach they see in Ryan Gosling movies and shit, because these girls inherently know, after getting swarmed by lame guys in that Right room, that the only guys that can really handle dating/fucking them and are actually attractive to them are the guys with the balls to come into that non-texting room and cold approach them.

That's the best way I can describe it so far lol It's at the point where I may just full out retire my text and day2 game, which were killer but seem either unneccessary (since they'll just come over instead of go on a day2 in public), obsolete (they set the schedule now because of their abundance), or value-lowering (texting ending up lumping me in with the thousands of orbiters texting her), in 2015.

"So it really does seem like no one ever says “no” to girls anymore, so when you do it really stands out."

This. I think it's why Julien's game is blowing girls' minds, a lot of his game is about disqualifying them and rejecting them. I'm going to be incorporating more of it into my style, I'm planning to try telling girls I can't give them my number and can't come home with them etc to see what happens (after DHV'ing hard and getting them to invest of course). Like right now I'm not initiating conversations with any girls in my phone, to see what happens if I just go radio silent on all of them and wait for them to initiate/invest. So far the ones that I had solid emotional impact with keep finding ways to initiate retarded pointless conversations (which I semi-ignore and cut short etc back to laconic style texting from the old days lol I'm thinking of throwing in a phone call, like when they text me just call them on voice and see what happens), and the ones where I didn't have much emotional impact just won't ever text me (even though before this they would respond almost immediately whenever I initiated texts).

"I’ve got some improv clubs I am going to go to"

Good stuff, I haven't gone to one before but a LOT of PUAs do them.

@redlight
"Owning a boyfriend or husband limits experiences. Even if they get married to have kids, after they popped out a couple, it’s Eat Pray Love to get back on that experience bandwagon. What PUA offers them is enjoyable experiences with no ownership."

I can't disagree with anything you said in that post. There seems to be, at least on the female side, a large focus on just "experiencing good feels", like their whole life is based around that which I mean, makes sense now that they all have their own income and thousands of orbiters on social media lined up to just hand them money and offer them experiences like vacations or driving their expensive cars or partying at their fancy rooftop condo etc etc We basically gave kids in a candy store and unlimited bank account and are surprised when they're not rationing themselves so their stomach isn't too full for a healthy dinner lol

@Forge the Sky
"As such, it’s just kind of a trivial nuisance that we need to define which system we’re using if there’s any ambiguity."

Ya, in the PUA community we don't really care about nailing down all these tiny nuances the Manosphere/Rollo are focused on…all we need guys to understand is that "some shit makes girls want to fuck you and some shit makes them repulsed by you" and that's enough to get them started learning how to be the Alpha Fucks lol We don't need definitions of Omegas or to really narrow down "is this behavior Alpha?? Did I revert to Beta for 6.4 minutes when I used this slightly different tonality? Am I still Alpha if another Alpha walks in??" Like, none of that really matters for teaching guys how to get their dicks wet, it's more an interesting discussion and knowledge-seeking thing (which I love, which is why I read this stuff).


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This is so cringy. Plz stop.


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@keyser Soze
“Woman A is a HB4 and she knows theadsgamer is a nut ,and she thinks her friend B who is HB3 is equal to Theaassgamer. As simple as that.”

lol I just diagnose based on the information I’m given in the Field Report. He said “B isn’t all that excited about you, but A is”, which, if that’s accurate, is likely the dynamic I described. If he’s misinterpreting that A is interested (which is entirely possible), and she’s actually not then ya it’s more likely what you described.

“And why the fuck are you here??”

To read your posts of course, I’m your biggest fan.

@rugby
“Everything he states is acute to the fucking point on what is happening in the NOW”

I just go out every week and hit up the <25yo crowd. Anyone here could do the same and would notice a lot of the same things. Game has certain core diamond concepts that are constant (like confidence is always attractive etc) but the execution of those concepts can require tweaking based on society (ie – what used to be a DHV to demonstrate confidence stopped being a DHV once everyone else started doing it and now DHV'ing confidence is doing the opposite of what you used to do). I'm as surprised by how things are shifting as anyone else, I cashed in huge with online dating stuff, just passively in the background always had girls on the go from it and it sharpened my text game up like crazy…and now those skillsets seem to be becoming obsolete in 2015 and I have to shift my focus back primarily to cold-approach and pulling Same Night Lays instead of grabbing numbers and going on Day2s. It's not that the latter won't still work at all, but like, inviting a 21yo out on a public Day2 seems to be way outside of her reality in 2015 and I try to focus on playing the optimal % odds.

Some guys will be like "whatever man, you're crazy, a 21yo still wants to go on a dinner date with an older man, it's a CLASSIC MOVE like in those 1940s movies boy was that the height of romance bla bla bla" and it's like is that based in actually going out on dinner dates with 21yo's or is that based on holding onto a "movie moment" mental image of how things SHOULD work? Really, I hope no one believes anything I say and goes out to field test it a bunch themselves. I'd love to come here and see a bunch of Field Reports from this upcoming weekend where everyone has approached a handful of <21yo hotties. That would be amazing and useful to learn from.

@Forge the Sky
"But to women, negative emotions are necessary information about their environment. They lap them up and aren’t really damaged by them (except in the extremes of course). Particularly when it comes to ‘abuse’ from an attractive man. That is the very light and animating power of all their passion. Without it, they never really feel that a man cares about them."

This is why RSDJulien's game works. He understands that "it doesn't matter if she loves me or hates me, as long as she's REACTING to me I know I have her" and that women want to experience a FULL range of emotions, not just GOOD emotions, in the same way we don't just go watch movies about happy people being happy and doing happy things with no conflict/negative emotions.

I would argue that Julien's game (which I originally thought was a little too over-the-top) is actually optimal for 2015 (not necessarily the exact things he's saying to them, but the concepts he's executing like focusing heavily on devalidation and making her invest VS focusing heavily on Comfort or finding commonalities etc) because with the FI brainwashing all the male peers of a hot <25yo have gone through, she so rarely experiences any kind of negative emotion (except when she watches Twilight etc) that when a guy can give those to her (along with smoothing it over, like the resolution in a good thriller movie) it stands out far more than it did in like, 2005 where boys were less feminized and girls didn't have literally hundreds of thousands of them of all age ranges, backgrounds, classes, looks, etc messaging her and chasing her and orbiting her 24/7 (literally from around the WORLD). As extreme as what Julien is doing is, what he does makes her forget about checking her phone and makes his name stand out from the herd when it pops up on her phone.

@NBTM
Rollo is just explaining how the dynamics work, relax.

@Rocket
"Next target is YaReally."

lol I was hoping.

"I decided to even the equation. How ? Throw money at it. I started seeing escorts and fucking hot women pretty much every week."

lol I mean, I don't think anyone would disagree that paying hookers will get you laid by hot girls. Should I be adding a disclaimer at the end of my posts that says "WARNING: You can skip all of this by just shelling out for a hooker!"? I figure that's common sense, it's the world's oldest profession and all that. Hell, you can actively become just like, a Jabba the Hut sloth and let yourself go entirely and still bang hookers, even smokin hot ones in Vegas if that's what you want, it's their job to still fuck you it's not like it's some secret cheat code lol

"advice that applies to the 1/2 of 1% who happens to a be a Frat-Boy age 24, still in college, never worked a day in his life … hitting on 21 yr old pussy. Yeah, REALLY … I’m talking to you and the RSD bullshit you push. For a late 20s man … none of the garbage you push means shit. Or a 30s man. Or a 40s man. Or a 50s man. Or any man who’s married or in an LTR. Which pretty much means ALL MEN OUT THERE."

Shit, do I txt the 21yo from this weekend and tell her that as a mid-30s man I can't fuck her anymore? And the guys in LTRs/marriages seeing results should just stop?

I think anyone who reads your posts and says to themselves "this is the type of guy I want to be" should absolutely follow your advice and I wish them the best and hope they end up as happy and well-adjusted as you seem to be.

"What you say offers us NOTHING."

Looks like we're even then lol

"To take your analogy further, give a 5yr old a loaded uzi and let her kill anyone who doesn’t agree with her. Like boys/men. Now stack the deck so that when she kills someone, she is NEVER held accountable. Yeah. Really. (pun). THAT IS HOW THE WORLD IS RIGHT NOW. 5 YR OLD”S WITH UZI’S POINTED AT THE HEADS OF MEN, WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY WHAT SO EVER."

lol I don't even disagree with this, but like, you sound overly frustrated. It's just how the world is right now. Be aware of it and take precautions to avoid putting yourself in situations where these dynamics can hurt you (like legally marrying a chick who's rewarded for divorcing you, focus on handling Buyer's Remorse so you can lower your chances of a False Rape Accusation (where she's again rewarded with attention/sympathy or at least not punished for it even if it's proven to be false etc).

"GOLD. Despite the bullshit you preach that 99% of men will find never applies to them … ever once in awhile, the truth slips out."

…go me?

"As for me, I recently got a sugar baby and gave up on escorts. Lots of women are eager to be an SB … its natural for a woman. Not quite a whore but she knows if the male is well off enough to PAY HER then he must be good enough to fuck. Last 7 weeks in a row and counting that I’ve fucked her twice a week. Yeah dudes, that’s I’ve had sex with a chick way younger than me nearly 20 times in a few months"

lol again like, I don't think anyone would disagree that you can just pay women to fuck you. The Sugar Baby thing is more common and out in the open than ever in 2015, lots of girls I've hooked up with have Sugar Daddies (sometimes multiple) because why WOULDN'T they? They don't usually have to do much for the guy since it's usually more like "dating sex" than just "I'm paying you to let me shove this cucumber up your vag" and it's an easier way to pay off their student loans and shit than actually working, and if they set up Instagram profiles etc they can attract high-value guys.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45437.html

And if you don't mind that other guys are banging your Sugar Baby for free, she's spending your money on them because she's actually attracted to them, and there's a good chance that without the money she would just bail on you because she's there more for the money than you, then go nuts and enjoy. You can take a helicopter up to the top of Mount Everest if you like too, no one would say that doesn't work, but some of us enjoy the things the climb builds in us and enjoy the view more when we sweat a bit getting to the top.

But nobody HAS to do what I say, I don't care what they do with their dicks lol They are free to choose their path just like you and I.


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@Forge the Sky
“I don’t even disagree with what you’re saying, it’s just weird that you’re trying to fight about it”

It’s always surreal to me how these guys go so randomly off the rails in their posts. Like it’s never a calm rational discussion it’s always this suddenly escalating “I disagree because such and such, so you can all hate me if you want but I just have to let you know that you’re full of shit and this other stuff you say is full of shit and ALSO SOCIETY IS THIS AND THAT AND WOMEN ARE THIS AND HOLDING AK47S TO MENS HEAD FUCK YOU AND FUCK EVERYTHING ARHRHGHGHGHGGHGGHH”

http://thinng.com/system/images/32366/original/thatescalatedquicklygif.png?1391614819

Like holy shit, you want to maybe wait for someone to respond to your points before you get worked up into a rage? It’s like watching someone have an argument with their own imagination and I just kind of stand back like “umm okay are you done now? Does it feel better to get that off your chest? Because I’m down for a discussion if you like and if you’d relax for a second and talk you’d find that I actually agree with a bunch of points you’re making, but it seems like you’re having fun just doing your thing yelling at the wall over there so I’mma just let you do it and you let me know when you’re done.” lol


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Figured these would be appreciated here lol:


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@Rollo
“FWIW, I’ve been shooting a brand commercial for the last 3 days. In that time I’ve had invitations to ‘party’ with at least half a dozen girls from the cast and about 7 extras. All were no less than HB8s on my very demanding scale, all were between 23 and 30. And 4 of them know I’m married.”

Life goal when I get my money/career handled is to have a condo in Vegas that I can spend parts of the year in for reasons like this lol I’m single, I can spend my money however foolishly I want. 😀

@Andy
“Strange that it works though in this day in age where a mid thirties Mom can find a jacked 25 year old dude on Tinder in 15 minutes…”

Because ultimately most women don’t WANT variety, they want the top dog (Hypergamy). By being willing to leave, you’re showing that you’re high-value because a guy who’s scared to leave is a guy in scarcity who NEEDS her. And depending on her history and social influences she may be aware that a lot of those jacked 25yo dudes are good to look at but their subcomms are all beta chode shit compared to the guy who’s willing to burn their lives to the ground if she doesn’t lose some weight.

@Dutchman @Andy
“I wonder if “I want a divorce game” really does work like gangbusters across the board”
“I wonder if overt dread is really such a bad thing. What’s the argument against overt dread anyway?”

It’s not the action itself, it’s how much value you have to her when you do it. If a fat chick tells you she’s going to leave you, you say lol who fucking cares please do I can replace you with better tomorrow. But if your dream girl 10 tells you she’s going to leave you you shit bricks. Their action is the same, it’s their relative value in your eyes that makes that action have impact.

Usually the guys who drop flat out ultimatums are doing it from scarcity and low-value so it blows up in their face. But like CaveClown and ted have said (and like Rollo does passively when he attends events full of hot models that wanna bang him), there’s an art to making it known that you’ll walk because a guy who really IS high-value with abundant options doesn’t NEED to make a big deal of it, he can just shrug and disapprovingly slowly shake his head at his wife when she does something retarded and walk away and she can read into that.

You’ll find that often the success stories with the divorce ultimatum are the guys who discover the RP and start implementing the proper attitudes and mindsets and start hitting the gym to indicate like “hey I’m preparing to be back out on the market” etc, and THEN they drop the ultimatum, but they’ve already started raising their value so the ultimatum can work VS if they did it when they’re in a place of low value and scarcity.

I’m a big fan of using stuff like “it’s totally up to you, I just know what I like. I wouldn’t want you to do anything you don’t WANT to do, but I like girls who X. If you don’t want to X that’s totally fine, I’m sure we’ll both end up happy and I’m sure there are lots of guys out there who don’t care about X who would appreciate you without it and you probably SHOULD be with them instead of me anyway” etc etc when we get to the part where I’m setting the frame of what I expect from fuckbuddies (they have to doll themselves up and be fun and not bring me drama etc).

@CaveClown
Like a goddamn boss. I wish more guys entering marriages were as forward-thinking of you. “Hope for the best, plan for the worst”. They would save themselves getting blindsided and fucked over. And if they DON’T ever have to use it, then that’s awesome, but if the situation comes up I wish they were all as prepared as you are and, if I decided to settle into a pLTR because I wanted kids etc, I would be doing similar stuff from Day 1. Society will convince a guy he’s “bad” if he doesn’t “trust” his wife, like don’t get a prenup don’t you trust TRUE LOVE??? and make him feel like a monster. But those are the guys who don’t understand what 2015 divorce and family court are like and get raped and don’t get to see their kids etc. Bravo on all your precaution-taking.

@teddj4g
“In fact, if I was a young man facing down marriage, I’d be sure to clearly state up front what the divorce criteria are.”

The problem is most guys will talk a big game like that, but then once they settle INTO a marriage they let themselves go. They get fat, lazy, lose their ambition and drive, stop hanging out with their male buddies, stop going out and interacting with other women and lose their ability to flirt etc, and fall into massive scarcity. Then when the girl shit-tests to make sure she’s still married to the alpha she settled with, he starts failing little tests, like now he reacts to stuff he didn’t used to react to, which makes her test harder, which starts a chain of events that lead to her KNOWING he won’t leave her and that’s where shit hits the fan. A guy should have guy-friends and boys nights, flirt with waitresses, vanish for a couple days for work here and there etc. even when he’s married. A weekend business trip in Vegas where his phone reception “doesn’t work” could do wonders in re-stoking attraction for a guy with RP knowledge lol

“I honestly can’t imagine having to manage more than one woman’s emotional state. I suppose in a pLTR you’re probably only living with one, but you still have to interact with the rest.”

You don’t manage them. They manage themselves to be allowed to be a part of your life. The pLTR is the only one who really gets your full attention, the other girls you make the ground rules clear (like don’t bring me drama) and if they try to break those rules they get a freezeout until they smarten up and are allowed to come back. If I say “don’t talk shit about my girlfriend” to some Secondary who thinks she’s got me hooked enough to become my Primary and fuck my whole situation up, and she continues to be a brat then she gets a freezeout for a couple weeks. If she keeps breaking my rules, she’s out entirely and replaced with a new girl, but usually they’ll smarten up after you hold your frame a couple times. There’s no compromise or managing her emotions because you have enough girls on the go and/or have the skills to get new girls that you don’t have to deal with that shit lol In a marriage if your wife is sad you better make her UN-sad before she goes eat pray love on you and fucks your life over, THAT seems way more scary to me than telling a fuckbuddy who shows up drunk to go home and sober up and come over sober next time.

@CaveClown
“Which is exactly where this 5’8″ guy’s sexual scarcity mindset comes from. I just don’t feel like I can compete. I feel like an alpha in a beta body. ”

It absolutely wouldn’t be easy. Beliefs like that would have to be rewired (if YOU don’t think you’re attractive why would THEY?) just to get going. But, if you absolutely had to, you could do it. Ideally you can make your current situation work though.

@teddj4g
“I assume a mans desire for variety is on a curve, but I find it fascinating that most men crave variety so strongly when it comes to sexual partners.”

I can only speak for myself but I blame porn lol Since I was a hermit nerd till my early 20s I was porning it up all through my teens and the amount of variety you get used to is just like, why wouldn’t I want that in my day to day if I have the skills TO get it? It’s not really any extra work…I mean, I look at half my buddies in LTRs and the amount of drama and bullshit and juggling acts they go through when things are rocky and I think “I just go out and flirt with cute girls in my spare time and we bone and if they’re cool I see them again and if not I get another one” and can’t IMAGINE doing that much work and going through that much “this guy keeps writing on her Facebook and she says it doesn’t mean anything but I KNOW he’s trying to fuck her and why doesn’t she Block him and now she thinks I’m jealous and he’s going to be at her office xmas party and she’s buying a sexy dress and I KNOW he’s going to be trying to–” etc etc for the same aging vag he’s banged a thousand times lol There are points where I’m literally thinking “These guys are putting in as much or MORE work than I am, to keep their shitty LTRs afloat and get laid by their fucking GFS/WIVES who’s JOB it is to put out, they could put in like half the effort and have other girls I can’t wrap my head around why they’re beating their head against the wall to get their now-chubby aged wife to suck their dick when half the girls in the bar would love the chance to do it lol” To me he could go have a handful of girls on the go and have variety and way less drama and frustration and just enjoy the New Relationship Energy mode (where girls are on their best behavior and putting the most effort in) from hot girl to hot girl.

It’s not even just the sex for me, it’s the personalities and shit too. I LIKE hanging out with the badass wild rocker girl who likes to go on adventures, the sweet innocent girl next door redhead who cooks for me, the dolled up shallow blonde who looks good on my arm but I can’t listen to her yap lol, the crazy in bed brunette hipster girl who seems shy and quiet in public, etc etc I don’t want any one of those girls to be around me 24/7 for the rest of my life to the exclusion of every other girl. I love having all of them in my life for various lengths of time.

“And maybe it’s that disposition that leads me to LTRs over other options.”

There’s also the nuances of the whole Pleasure of Sex VS Thrill of the Hunt guys. I’m a Thrill of the Hunt type but I have buddies who are Pleasure of Sex types. Neither is really better/worse, it’s individual tastes:

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2541-Thrill-of-the-Hunt-men-vs-Pleasure-of-Sex-men

@agent p @teddj4g
“wigs and role play man, can go a fair way to satisfying a drive for variety”
“I crave variety and simply found ways to get it from the same woman”

lol I’ve told girls I need a hairdresser (they change their hair all the time) who likes costumes in bed (for roleplaying variety) to settle down with. It’s not quite the same, but it would give a girl an edge at keeping me interested and not needing to have other girls on the side.

“Hell, once or twice the wife and I have gone into a bar separately just so I can “pick her up” for a one night stand. Lol”

I do this with fuckbuddies lol chicks love that shit

@Rollo
“I learned an interesting lesson on this set: women love dominance, that’s pretty much a maxim in TRP, but women get tingles from being directed by a dominant man. Women love to see a dominant man being obeyed (even if just casually) by other men in an endeavor, and they love to see other women follow his direction, but they tingle like nothing else for a man who directs them personally after having others follow his direction.”

Classic Mystery Method. 🙂 Preselection, Leader of Men, Protector of Loved Ones, Willingness to Emote, and Successful Risk Taker were Mystery’s original 5 switches. When you’re doing your job you’re flipping bare minimum Preselection, Leader of Men, Willingness to Emote, and Successful Risk Taker.

And a big part of Julien’s game is leading hardcore. Everything he says is commanding and dominant. “Come. Now. Here. Let’s go. Your friends are fine, come. Now. Two seconds. We’ll be right back. COME. Now.” and he just plows through any resistance with his dominant commanding tonality/frame and the girls melt because they WANT someone steering the ship (congruently).

@teddj4g
“Your point is very interesting though. Wonder how many guys with ED are married with your inclination for variety? (Not counting the guys stuck with land whales here. Every man has a boner threshold…)”

I would bet a LOT. From the way older PUAs/Naturals talk, where they clearly have no boner problems banging college chicks and shit, I’m pretty convinced that ED, since it’s mostly mental, is more about boredom or lack of attraction and is basically just a way for society to blame the man so the woman can’t be blamed. “Your wife isn’t attractive to you? It’s YOUR fault, you have ED!! Better fix it so you can stick it in this girl that isn’t as hot to you as she was when you started dating (whether because she let herself go or you liked variety and didn’t realize it)”.

I think there are VERY few men who would turn down a busload of no-strings attached high-quality 21yo cheerleaders who are sweet and friendly and not crazy drama and are begging to suck his dick…it’s just that 99% of guys can’t envision a way to have that kind of opportunity or they view it as too unrealistic (ie – they say “a busload of cheerleaders? they’ll probably be bitchy or not be quality baby mama material so no I wouldn’t want them”, that’s why I stress girls who are high quality and sweet and shit in my example lol), so they settle down out of scarcity into relationships with women that don’t really rev them up long-term or have stopped revving them up, and now they’re in a doctor’s office getting pills to get their dick hard when they probably don’t have any problem getting hard at a stripclub with a 21yo hottie grinding on them.

I doubt there are many men who wouldn’t want their GF/wife to turn back into her hot fun young 21yo self (at least looks-wise) if that was an option lol

But hey I’m shallow, I would have partied with the Vegas commercial girls and left my wife at home planning her divorce-rape when I came back home with glitter on my dick in the morning. 😀


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“YaReally – so with a pLTR you only manage the P and let the rest fend for themselves?”

More or less. You have your Primary that gets the full girlfriend experience and Provider benefits and the Secondaries are a level below that (less special perks but more than the next level of girls, these are basically your regular/causal fuckbuddies who get no Provider benefits) and below that are the Tertiary girls who are basically randoms, One Night Stands, and rare fuckbuddies or fuckbuddies you don’t like much lol

“I’m a bit at a loss as to what’s in it for the extra girls outside of sex and attention.”

Get some popcorn and prepare for a mind-fuck:

https://vid.me/5H4u/the-great-happiness-space

(also note the sick body language of the guy in the black suit on the white couch near the start, his subcomms are killer, rare to see that kind of body language, slow movements and speaking, etc from asian dudes in North America…but also note that the head guy that makes the most money is more expressive and shows a full range of emotions instead of just the James Bond vibe, which again goes back to Mystery’s “willingness to emote”, he has a wider appeal than the chill guy and has more emotional impact when he interacts with girls)

Pay attention specifically to 40:00 in where he talks about how girls will work as prostitutes (the funniest shit is the girl who doesn’t want to sleep with him because she wants him to not think she’s “that kind of girl” lol hoping he’ll fall in love first, different culture exact same wiring) just to be able to afford to be with him even if they don’t have sex. That’s a mind-fuck to the Blue Pill mindset. These girls are happy to just be around these guys because these guys give them the emotional rollercoasters they need…most of it is good emotions but at 20:00 they talk about how they also make sure to scold the girls and give them life advice and shit, they build DEEP Comfort/Rapport that keeps them hooked even without sex.

We had a PUA in the community who went to Japan and worked in one of these clubs for a while and wrote reports and stuff about it. The big downside is the boozing lol, this documentary ends on a depressing note, but these guys are trapped in a vicious system for money…ideally a guy studying PUA will learn to do all of this same stuff sober and keep it a managable part of his life etc. These guys are basically the extreme version of the Red Pill. Buddy on the other page was bragging about paying hookers for sex, the hookers that guy is paying go to skinny little guys like this with mangled teeth to pay them $10,000 just to TALK to them lol That’s some Red Pill understanding of chick-brains right there.

Anyway, my point is the non-Primary girls get all sorts of value out of the arrangement…but it’s because I understand what IS “value” to them, and it’s not being able to buy them gifts and shit. Hell, it isn’t even FUCKING them necessarily…it’s being able to give them the full range of emotions and hard emotional impact that other guys don’t give them. A Rubick’s Cube doesn’t suck your dick, but you’ll still pay $20 for it and spend months with it on your desk trying to solve it lol

“Do they often snag beta BFs as well to get the BB needs met?”

The Primary won’t because you are her BF (and to avoid triggering ASD and social pressure that would fuck things up you let her call you her Boyfriend and stuff, to anyone looking from the outside you have a normal BF/GF relationship and it’s your job to keep social pressure off her about it because she’ll be fine with it until people start to pressure her about it because it doesn’t fit their Blue Pill thinking). The Secondaries will often start falling for you (ideally you follow the rules of not seeing them too frequently and not doing date-like things with them etc to stall this process) and start craving Provider/BB from you but you just hold your frame and they know about your Primary and know SHE gets your Provider/BB and that they can’t get it from you, so they’ll either give you the Ultimatum (the guys in that documentary have the same problem you can see them getting Ultimatum’ed by girls and shit but they have to keep the girl coming back for more despite that whereas I’ll just let them go) which is rare because they know you have a Primary and won’t cave and the Ultimatum is drama that might make you cut them off for good, or they’ll just suddenly start not being able to hang out because they’ve found a Provider BB guy that they’ll try dating for a bit…I just let them go and try it. If that’s what they want I hope it DOES work out for them…but the VAST majority of the time they’ll find the other guy and “normal” dating boring and come back within a few months or a couple years and accept a Secondary role again until they get another chance to try finding a boyfriend. And of course some of them will get a boyfriend and still see me as a Secondary because then they get the best of both worlds but some girls feel guilty doing that and try to stick to serial monogamy.

“And brother, your description of the married man gone soft hit very close to home. In most ways thats how I ended up divorced. My dumb ass believed I was supposed to “settle down” and do the family man thing. I dropped my friends, quit gigging, got fat and lazy. Plus, as the marriage got worse, so did I.”

It’s VERY common. Most of the guys on deadbedrooms are there because they did the same thing. What I like about the pLTR arrangement is that it forces the MAN to keep his game skills, maintain his male friendships for going out or meeting social circle girls, keep his looks handled and his ambition/drive etc because a lot of girls won’t want to BE his Secondary if he’s the guy you turned into when you “settled down”. Like if you want to have some HB8 happily banging you as a Secondary, you better have your shit together in terms of game lol

@Seraph
“I guess my point is the difference between knowledge and mindset is HUGE. I realize that, again, if I had the right mindset I would simply go with the optimistic take”

Yup, that’s why I stress going out. Can’t read your way into the mindsets. You have to go out and have these experiences, shitloads of them, until you develop them internally. Just like you can’t learn to play the guitar by reading…you can get a good jump start and learn some useful shit, but you still have to pick up that guitar and start strumming your fingers, you’re not going to read a books on guitar playing for years and then walk out on stage at a concert holding a guitar for the first time in 10 years and rock out.

But if you go out enough and have enough of these experiences to internalize it, you’re playing the guitar as effortlessly as Hendrix.

@Klem
Glad to hear it. I hope everyone vanishes from all these comment sections because they’re too busy getting out there applying this stuff lol


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“I walked the earth for over 30 years with not a single fuck given by me about my height. Now I can’t get it out my head.”

It’s so absurd to me because you’re not even short lol I’m 5’9″ and my main wingman right now is 5’8″ and I’ve gone out with the gamut of heights from 5’2″ to like 6’8″ or some shit (dude was retardedly tall).

Tall guys have all sorts of problems infield too, from it being awkward to talk to girls having to bend down and hunch over a bunch, to not being able to “hide” (just got blown out? EVERYONE saw you ’cause you’re the tallest thing in the room…the short guy can scurry off into the crowd to lick his wounds and know nobody saw him get blown out lol), to it being awkward to kiss a girl who’s too short, and lots of internal issues like imposter syndrome and shit because everyone EXPECTS them to get girls and be badass alphas since they’re tall but if they feel self-conscious like they feel gangly in their body instead of comfortable that can all fuck with their head etc etc

I’ve been with girls taller than me and shorter than me, I prefer shorter personally (I like being able to toss them around the bedroom and when their head is resting on my chest and shit) but the tall ones liked me because I didn’t view myself as short and didn’t have a chip on my shoulder or anything. Doesn’t mean all tall girls will like me, but it makes a significant difference when you just don’t care about being shorter than them. The funniest is the tall girls who like you and then take off their heels trying to be non-chalant about it because they feel self-conscious being tall like they’re worried you won’t approve of them because they’re tall lol Like no, leave the heels on, they make your legs look hot, you’ll be horizontal as soon as I get you alone anyway.


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@Balls
Thanks for the data points. There’s always the worry of like “hmm maybe I’m just getting too old, maybe my game is just getting shitty” and of course there’s always a handful of guys lined up to say “BRO IF YOU HAD A 6-PACK SHE WOULDN’T FLAKE” (ignoring that she’s flaking on TONS of good-looking rich dudes chasing her offering her free dinners and shit lol) but my buddy is running into this as well and it looks like the RSD guys are too, and you etc etc so while we need way more data points to come to any real conclusions, I think it’s reasonable to start looking at tweaking shit to deal with these new scenarios. Like I say the 26+yo’s seem to still mostly follow the standard script (except the ones who are heavily submersed in Tinder/Instagram culture who start acting like the <25yo's which is just absurd because like, you're OLD what are you doing lol), but the <25yo crowd's dynamics are way different than 2005.

Pre-cell phones even the chodiest of betas had to man up and eventually approach his crush to ask her out…now he can just asexually add her to Facebook for a school project and then Like her pics and write compliments under them for a year hoping that she decides she likes him. And she has hundreds of thousands of other guys all attempting the same approach…that HAS to fuck with some dynamics, and that's why we go OUT and use the data of the guys on the frontlines and explore it ourselves to try to figure out what's going on and how best to adapt our game optimally. Some stuff stays core diamond principles, like confidence is always attractive, but her environment can make it more difficult to display that confidence or for her to NOTICE that confidence (like when you're just one text out of 50 that she wakes up to) and we need to adjust to the environment and figure out how to display that confidence in a way that she can't ignore (ie – pushing harder in the initial interaction instead of taking a safe phone number and shooting for the Day2).

Your descriptions are pretty similar to what I'm running into. They're very clearly attracted, it's not like I don't know what THAT looks like and can't spot fake iois and shit. But they don't seem to know how to process it and need time to adjust, then decide they LIKE it and chase. It's like if everyone has been super nice to you your whole life and you've never been in a fight or experienced any kind of aggression, and then 20 years of that later someone just punches you in the face…you don't instinctively start scrapping with them like the guy who grew up getting into fights, you freeze up and need to process wtf just happened because you've never experienced that before and don't even know what to do with all these angry/adrenaline/etc feelings coursing through you that that punch triggered.

My best description of it so far is that when we run game we're tapping into her hindbrain and triggering those instincts that make her flirty/horny/etc so in the moment she's super into it, but her forebrain (where ASD etc lies) kicks in and says "woah woah what are you doing, this is crazy stop this shit!! What even IS this?? This isn't how it's supposed to work!! He's supposed to just be your asexual BFF and not make moves on you until you get frustrated and decide to tell him to make moves on you like the thousands of reference experiences we have of that as a <25yo in 2015 with a million orbiters!!" So she backs off and shuts down.

And NORMALLY that would mean "oh, okay, she's not into me for whatever reason, I must've fucked up somewhere, I guess I'll never hear from her again…" but then out of nowhere she's txt'ing and excited to meet up again and we think "wtf, you shut me down, why would you want to meet up again, you weren't into it??" but it's just that she's had time to process what happened and instinctively enjoys it and because you didn't freak out about her not putting out, she feels comfortable enough to step into the lion's den again. But they also aren't used to HAVING to chase or having to flirt really, they can just tell an orbiter "come over and fix my computer" and that guy is showing up with a boner when she opens the door, so it's almost like they don't have game now and act like AFCs when they DO like you, which is just hilarious lol But it also means needing to calibrate because when you throw a bunch of slick sexual flirting stuff at them and they don't know how to interact with that it can fuck the vibe up VS just playing it chill like they've been used to in their 20 years of "netflix & chill" hookups.

It's an interesting twist and I like it because it puts more value on cold-approaching which is my fav since most guys can't do it (and social circle game if that's your thing)…and like I keep saying we need more data, but I have enough to start messing with different tactics. My txt game has already changed dramatically and I'm on the verge of flat out refusing to exchange numbers and just pushing for the SNL but there are too many situations where you can't get the SNL (logistics, cockblocks, etc) and it's either get a number or never see her again and you have attraction etc so I'm looking at Julien's hardcore investment stuff because I think that's the key to making your number valuable. She may not reply to the nice guy who just asked for her number and she liked him in the moment but now she's had 500 tinder and instagram messages since then and forgotten how much she liked him…but she SHOULD reply to the guy who made her get on her knees and bark like a dog in public in front of her friends to get the number because she has ego investment in making that effort WORTH it by fucking him lol

I'm sure I'll miscalibrate some shit and lose some girls and fuck up sets that could've been nice safe validation highs if I didn't fuck around with new tactics, but there'll always be more girls out there and that's just the learning process.

Tonight I'm sick with a cold but I'll be heading out with a wing and I know he'll want to try for pulling 2-sets together which means I'll have to bail on some girls who don't have optimal logistics for us to pull both her and her friend, so I'm going to try some harder investment stuff with the numbers. Not Julien level bark like a dog stuff yet but a lot more "I don't know, you seem drunk. Do you even remember my name? When are we going to hang out if I take your number? I don't want your number if you're just some ditzy young bar star that's going to get shit-faced and not even reply. Are you free tomorrow? What time?" etc where she has to work for the number and I'm attaching negative emotions to her flaking etc…should be easy to do as an older man because that's what they'd expect from an older man lol The "don't waste my time" vibe like I'm screening her out for being young (which is absurd by social conditioning's value system, I SHOULD be worried about her screening me out).

It'll probably look similar to this (4 minutes in) lol:

@SJF
That book was like 2008, and it's compiling concepts that the PUA community was discovering and breaking down since 2003…that's why I say guys in the Manosphere/TRP even MGTOW (just for the understanding of human nature) should be reading the old PUA texts. Most of the stuff guys are discovering for the first time when they read Manosphere articles and "epic" TRP posts was all laid out back in the day. Rollo adds new perspective as a successfully married guy (and his lifestyle confirms a lot of oldschool concepts) and with some of his analysis like Hypergamy, Solipsism and Dread, the 3 major concepts that we didn't cover in the PUA community much…and he's great at explaining stuff in nice "ease the new swallower of the pill in" terms. But most of the actual understanding of all these dynamics has been sitting out there for anyone to read since the 2003 era, if they were so inclined to check it out.

Like I say I lol at the TRP forums when they come up with brilliant new epiphanies they try to explain that are literally already explained in depth in Mystery Method or one of Tyler's old forum posts and explained better than these guys who are just discovering it and trying to figure it out. Like just quit shitting on the fuzzy hat stuff and go read the actual oldschool shit and save yourself TONS of time and effort.

Because we figured this shit out early, we've been going out in t-shirts approaching dolled up chicks and telling girls we work at taco bell etc for like 10+ years while I can barely get Manosphere guys to step outside of their comfort zone for ONE NIGHT to wear a t-shirt or go to a kiddie nightclub or to tell girls they have a shitty job and have no money etc lol Like it's going to be years before the Manosphere/TRP gets off the "you gotta be rich and jacked like James Bond, bro!!" socially conditioned belief system and starts finally experimenting outside of their comfort zone and then it'll take a few MORE years before they do it en masse and compare notes and come to the same conclusions we came to in the mid-2000s and the same conclusions you cut and pasted from that book.

I just don't get why guys want to learn SLOW lol When I discovered PUA shit, LITERALLY that weekend (I found it on a Monday and went out that Friday) I went out and tried it (2 solid numbers, both converted to lays off a day2, one was a tall virgin from out of town who had to drive up and stay the weekend lol) because it was like "holy shit if this is real I want to get good at it as soon as possible" and threw myself into it reading everything I could find and trying everything out as often as possible.

Now guys go out once a week, wearing their nice suit they feel comfortable in, going to the same bars they feel comfortable in with people in the same age range they feel comfortable being around, running the same script they feel comfortable with (even though it hasn't gotten them the results they want and they're still banging the lone wolf 6s they find and not approaching the 9s in mixed sets) and just don't make progress and never shatter half of their limiting beliefs because they never challenge them, and then they CRY about their results. To us oldschool guys everyone just looks like a bunch of soft pussies clutching onto their ego trying to protect it from being shattered lol They're not playing to win, they're playing to not lose and not risk bad feels.

I can link the Great Happiness Space like I did a page back and guys can watch that, and watch girls shelling out thousands of dollars to just be AROUND guys who give them emotional impact and run proper game on them, and guys will still not go out tonight, a Friday night overflowing with women looking for dick, or they'll go out and not approach the girls they want and if they do they'll view it like they're taking up the girl's time and they don't want to inconvenience her instead of viewing themselves as being worth thousands of dollars to her. And they'll do that because they don't push themselves and build up habits of not pushing themselves.

One of my fav Tyler bits is that he'll force himself to go in even if he doesn't have an opener or anything. He sees the girl and if he can't think of anything he starts walking over and just says "well, I guess this'll be awkward then!" and opens with whatever comes out. Guys are afraid of awkward moments or miscalibrating or getting blown out and spend a ton of time reading/studying hoping to nail everything down ahead of time so they can just go out and open their first set and it'll just go perfect and flawless and if they don't think they can do that they won't approach or go out.

Half the guys spouting game advice in 2015 (even in the PUA community now that it's mainstream) are just waxing keyboard theory on how they think things SHOULD go either based on wishful thinking (newbie PUAs) or based on the experience they used to have back when they were a player (Manosphere guys) and have been dating some HB7 for a few years and haven't even APPROACHED let alone actually stuck their P inside the V of a hot <25yo lol "Oh I flirted with a waitress when I went on that business lunch and she liked me so I still got it cause that's basically a lay, I could get her if I WANTED to" lol I'm not specifying anyone in particluar, it's just the general attitude I see in forums like RVF and TRP and stuff. Half of RVF is just LARP'ing and convincing themselves they're taking more action than they ACTUALLY are. And then they'll say "oh YaReally is obsessed, I have so many important things to do I can't go out EVERY week…THREE nights a week are you CRAZY I have overtime hours to work, or I have to hit the gym, or I'm too old I'm tired or I can't drink that much and can't approach sober because I never forced myself to break that limiting belief crutch wahhhh" and it's like ok, well are you fucking the girls you want to fuck? Can you even say "hi" to that hottie you saw at the grocery store the other day? Does your sex life look how you envisioned when you were younger and full of hopes and dreams about it? No? You mean you're still banging 6s when last call rolls around and playing it off like "oh I'm just doing it for the laugh hey 6's need love too lolol" (meanwhile you're doing that EVERY weekend)? Well wtf do you expect lol Go out and push your comfort zones.

Julien on dick-slapping your comfort zones:

Tyler demonstrating what most guys look like in-field (the newbie PUAs are his first over-gaming example and like 99.99999% of the Manosphere/TRP are his "not gaming enough" second example, the whole fucking thing is a cringe-fest to watch lol):

@CaveClown

The fact that so many people are laughing in the audience and that this joke gets so many "omg I can relate to that" views is part of why I don't want to get married lol Before the internet and men sharing deadbedroom reports, this was all like "lol that's a funny joke but that won't happen to ME with MY unicorn". But now it's like, dude this shit is a WARNING lol Ya it can be prevented with RP knowledge but like, so many guys will watch vids like this or scenes like Breaking Bad and then get married and are like "oh it happened to me, wtf!! But I had a unicorn!!" and now they're legally and emotionally tied to the girl and don't want to risk losing their kids.


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This is the only Bryan Cranston I know lol:

I haven’t watched Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones or Vikings or Mad Men or Arrow or Gotham or Flash or 30 Rock or Modern Family etc etc because I was sarging while other people were watching that stuff. I’m sure they’re awesome shows and I’m sure I missed out on some great pop culture stuff, and I’ll probably catch up on them one day when I’m like 60 and settled down bored and ready to just consume passive entertainment all day long…

but like…any SINGLE guy who’s unhappy with his sex life who’s reading this comment section, or the Manosphere in general, or the TRP forums, or PUA forums, who’s staying in tonight and/or tomorrow night to watch Game of Thrones or binge watch a season of Breaking Bad…like…what are you DOING?? You could be fucking a 21yo tonight, get the fuck out there lol

(I DID watch Californication though, ’cause that shit is just educational, tho it sucked past season 3 lol)


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@CaveClown
“BB is the only show I have watched in the last decade, and only because I had heard it called “breaking beta” so often that I figured I’d watch it. ”

I actually think that’s why it did so well. From what I gather it’s a show about a beta chode who basically takes control of his life and becomes a badass. Pretty sure there’s a huge audience of frustrated depressed guys out there who wish they could do the same but have to settle for living it vicariously through TV shows.

@Andy
Ya the whole thing is super fucked up, but there are epic insights into how the female mind works to learn from. A lot of guys who are like “it’s all looks and money” can’t explain why a girl will sell her body and give her money to an ugly fat pimp that doesn’t even let her fuck him (they’ll brush it off as “oh those are just the drug addict damage cases” and then also not be able to explain why an 18yo girl has an Instagram page with thousands of followers and will obsess over that when she’s not even fucking those followers etc etc).

It’s all about making them feel emotions, good and bad, that shit is a drug to women way beyond material goods or external attributes. Most guys don’t feel entitled to SELL that drug to the girl though, unless they have the socially conditioned externals that they believe they have to have for the girl to want that drug…ignoring that she’ll chase that drug in a book like 50 Shades or a movie like Twilight that aren’t even REAL they’re just IMAGINATION, but they’ll still think “I’m not good enough because I’m 5’8″” lol like what?? Social conditioning has fucked men up so bad.


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yup part of my pLTR breakdown is about making yourself scarce, having a private separate office maybe even in another part of the city, having a 2nd apartment you can spend the night at now and then (get into a fight? just be gone for a couple days, sleeping in comfort instead of in the same house on the couch or engaging her drama), being out with the boys and not txting her, go film a liquor commercial with a bunch of hot vegas models, etc lol

In the PUA community we call it “give her the gift of missing you”. I think it’s key and would be a big part of if I ever settled into a pLTR.


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“But careful, YaReally, with the pre-conceived notions of how your life will turn out. Just like PUA game, you roll with the punches and never seek a completion in life. You are correct in admonishing men not to commit, but I have always been aware of the opposite, which is not grabbing for the gold ring (..to take a chance and reach for some goal or desire). I grabbed a gold ring once and it did not disappoint (but that’s just me YMMV).”

I could get crippled for life tomorrow or my face burned up in an accident or a million other things that fuck up the whole Hef/Clooney dream, I’m aware of that. But the mistake is in assuming that a girl will take care of me in that debilitated state. That’s the fantasy, but ask the guys who thought their girl would stick around when they became long-term useless and the “stick around” rate is a lot lower than Hollywood would have us believe and all of society will help her rationalize it away so she doesn’t feel bad about bailing.

The only thing sadder to me than being on my deathbed alone would be being on my deathbed expecting a woman I invested 30 years into to be there and she doesn’t show up or treats it as an inconvenience when she does.

It’s awesome when it works out for guys, and I hope you have nothing but success and you two are holding hands at the end and everything. But the odds of that happening are phenomenally low and personally I’m not going to pass up my prime SMV years investing into one person who’s entire brain is run by the law of “Hypergamy doesn’t care” lol

When I’m down and out, crippled in a wheelchair all alone having to sweet-talk someone into helping me wipe my own ass after I take a dump because I can’t do it myself, all I’m gonna have are the memories I’m making right now and I sure don’t want to be the guy who doesn’t have enough social charm to GET someone to help him out and thinks “why did I waste all those years, now I have to deal with a divorce on top of all this wheelchair bullshit” lol


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@Andy
“The only thing sadder than that is dying alone knowing you don’t have any kids out there continuing your legacy”

And the only thing sadder than that is not being able to see the kids you have and banked all your legacy dreams on because you walked into a family court nightmare in an era where women are incentivized to take them from you to assuage their bad feels about you.

If I find a way to have kids safely, or hit a point where I don’t care about the risks, cool, I might give it a go, but I’m not rolling that dice until I have to lol Seen too many of these:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/h0sor/frustration_post_i_dont_know_when_ill_get_to_see/

But hey maybe I’ll find a unicorn lol

@keyser Soze
I feel like I should warn you I don’t actually read your posts anymore, I just see a big block of unusually spaced lines and my name 8 times and just skip past it lol


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“Eh, I’ll admit it bothers me a bit that wives are fair game for a lot of PUAs.”

What should bother you is that PUAs are fair game for a lot of wives.


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We’re not doing anything they don’t want to do, or don’t instigate themselves, or won’t do with any other guy at some point. Like I’ve said before the only girls that won’t cheat are the ones who are fully satisfied with their man (aka he’s triggering their Hypergamy) because he didn’t let himself go to shit.

We HOPE you can step up and keep your girl attracted. I HOPE married/taken chicks don’t want to fuck me. But when they’re out on a girl’s night out and you’re at home being lame and she comes up to me flirting with me and “forgetting” to mention you or taking her wedding ring off when she thinks I don’t notice, you’re directing your anger at the wrong person.

If anything you should be happy a PUA only wants to fuck her and not actually break you up and take her lol

Trigger her Hypergamy for life and you have no problems. Rollo’s wife probably isn’t going to cheat on him with some douchebag like me. If you CAN’T keep your value up for life then don’t enter a legal contract that hinges on you being able to ’cause most of the time your wife will seek US out, not the other way around, because the contract you entered severely limits your ability to do the things that keep you attractive to her (the ability to walk away, have options, etc).


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A lot of the “those guys are bad because they don’t respect the marriage” stuff is based around guys thinking that because they invested a bunch of time/money they’re “owed” commitment from the girl. That’s what Hollywood and society and those wedding vows told them when they signed up. But it was bullshit, Hypergamy doesn’t care and if you let your value slip she will look for it elsewhere. That’s not fair from a man’s perspective, but that’s how it works.

When I hear ohh YaReally you’re going to fail by not reproducing and passing on your legacy it’s like ya maybe, but I’ve weighed the odds of “can I stay extremely high-value for 20+ years with a woman who’s incentivized to bail on our relationship who’s hounded by 24/7 validation streams of men trying to fuck her and the type of relationship that society expects me to have kids with her under is one that inherently neuters my value without massive unending pro-active attempts to counter it (like having a lifestyle that builds Dread in)?” and concluded that the answer is “maybe, but I don’t think that’s a risk I want to take in my mid-30s…maybe in my mid/late 40s, but not right now”.

The vast majority of the time it’s not like the Hollywood vision of it: a guy like me lurking over your chick loading her up on booze and telling her “your husband sounds like a real jerk” luring her into our web to bang her while she cries. Usually she doesn’t even mention her man except an obligatory tossing it out there with a “but we’re having problems right now, I’m probably going to leave him soon” between makeouts and SHE’S the one ignoring your call while she blows me and wanting to hook up again the next time you’re out of town. If I hadn’t been there she’d do it to some other guy because you’re no longer triggering her Hypergamy…if you were, she would have zero interest in some random bar guy lol


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“But either way, you’re not seeing your kids whether they exist or not.”

I’m also not paying alimony and child support lol Because I’m not shackled with those things I have a decent chance of living long enough to eventually find a way to settle (whether it’s screening for a quality-enough girl, hitting a point where I don’t mind the risks, managing a solid pLTR relationship with kids, donating my swimmers, being told I have a terminal illness and spending all day every day banging random girls raw to create an army, etc lol).

You could argue that I may get hit by a bus tomorrow and neutralize all those plans, but by that logic everyone should have kids as soon as they hit puberty just to play it safe.

“Another fucked up thing is that if my wife did cheat on me I’d probably stay with her.”

That’s part of why they cheat. They know their man won’t leave them…so why WOULDN’T they, if he’s no longer triggering their Hypergamy (because a man who won’t leave them probably isn’t triggering it as well as a guy who could walk away and not put up with her behaving bad)? It’s like a chicken/egg scenario lol

@teddj4g
“I like you, and your input is awesome. But that statement is lame as shit.”

No, you’re just emotionally invested in your belief system that everyone should respect your vows so it’s negative feels when someone takes a dump all over them lol Same as religious people etc

“”be thankful I only want to violate your woman in ways she won’t with you and send her home.””

Would you rather she fuck a guy who starts badmouthing you, trying to get her to stay in contact with him, txting her daily behind your back talking shit about you, meeting your kids when you’re away on business trips, telling her she deserves better and he’ll give her the world and he wishes she wasn’t married he wishes there was some way they could be together because she’s so special, and she divorces you, tells your kids this guy is their new daddy and that you made mommy miserable, so you can pay alimony that she uses to buy things for her new guy to keep him interested even though in the end he really doesn’t give a shit about her and tosses her aside for some other chick because he just wanted the lay and didn’t care about managing her feelings or anything?

No? Because that’s the alternative to fucking a PUA when she’s out there trolling for dick.

“Just say “sorry not sorry, loser” and move on. Pretty much the same message.”

It is when you’re too emotionally invested in your arrangement to look at it logically.


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“Call it what it is. Home wrecking.”

A lot of girls end up going back to their man because they just needed a break. Or using the other guy on the side for the sex they aren’t getting at home. It’s not a black and white issue, and your painting it as such is just overreacting. A lot of guys with happy family lives have already been cheated on and just don’t know it because it’s not like the Hollywood stereotype where everything comes crashing down in flames and chaos the second she touches another dick.

“That doesn’t remove all responsibility from you.”

There are scenarios where I won’t fuck the girl, but they’re because I have my own personal code of what lines I do and don’t cross. But the reality is other men don’t owe you anything and don’t have to respect your guys’ contract anymore than they have to believe in your god or appreciate the type of car you like etc. That’s just how the world works.

On the plus side if your wife is 30+ and losing her looks, there’s a good chance no one with options is trying to bang her. Most of the guys that try to bang her will be the swarm of online validation guys and guys who can’t get hotter which means they’re probably not going to be very attractive to her to begin with. But if you’ve married like an HB9 21yo…I mean, what were you thinking lol

@Sun Wukong
“If a higher branch comes along a woman will swing to it. That is the hard and fast rule.”

Yup. Like, sorry if that hurts feels but that’s how it works out there. The stuff about “forever and always” in your marriage vows was Hollywood duping to get you into the system. Now with RP skills you can keep triggering her Hypergamy and she’ll choose you over other guys, but if you let up for too long and she has options, she’ll stray. She doesn’t have “honor”, that’s Blue Pill nonsense. She will do whatever’s in her best interest in the moment and find ways to rationalize it. That’s why I say maintaining a marriage like that seems like the same amount of work I put into banging a hot young variety of girls…you don’t get to slack off when you’re married, unless you can also simultaneously prevent your wife from interacting with other men (which is theoretically possible but difficult in 2015 with the internet and shit, it’s not like you can lock them in a dungeon). In the past society had socially enforced rules that helped keep women away from other men as much as possible (and they STILL cheated), but in 2015? lol

“In fact it will make them pass up more opportunities than any man ever reasonably should.”

Literally like 90% of smokin hot girls have “a boyfriend”, but it’s usually code for “a guy I’m seeing so I don’t have to tell my parents I’m single at xmas dinner, that I kind of like I guess, if no one better comes along”. And most of them WANT a better branch to come along for them to swing away to because they’re only with that guy out of convenience or fear of being alone or because no one else made her an offer. You want me to pass up all those girls? Even if I just stick to the ones in shitty relationships where you’d say “wow YaReally it’s a good thing you broke them up, she was in a horrible shitty relationship with an abusive controlling asshole”, all that would happen is girls would tell me their nice guy boyfriend is actually an abusive controlling asshole to convince me to bang them.

I don’t even take girls seriously when they tell me their last boyfriend was abusive and controlling, they just make that shit up these days to rationalize ditching the guy lol

“I personally like to avoid hitting on married chicks because it’s just a complicating factor that’s rarely worth the headache.”

Ya, I don’t even do it much. It can be hassle that I don’t want to deal with so when I see the ring I just bail. But that’s when I see it. A higher-than-society-wants-you-to-believe number of married/taken chicks will actively avoid mentioning their man or hide their ring or downplay the relationship or talk shit about the guy etc etc to get dick when a better branch comes along.

“I simply don’t buy that there’s a society-wide “bros before hos” code that’s gonna be extended to me, because I’ve had too many supposed bros steal out from under my nose with no remorse.”

Yup. Most of the guys who give me hassle about “bros before hos” are the first ones to give no fucks about me if they see a chance to take the girl I’m talking to lol And I don’t expect them to not try, or the girl to not swing to them if they trigger her Hypergamy better, people WANT to fuck…we just have a big deal placed on it because of religion and shit, but fucking with condoms is just physical fun to a lot of people men and women in 2015.

And I don’t even want to get into the married/taken girls who want to fuck rawdog (and try to pull the condom off or convince me NOT to put one on). I don’t want to blow too many brains lol But get paternity tests…that shit should be mandatory.

“No, it’s getting your dick wet. The one homewrecking is the dumb cunt willing to violate her vows because of her tingles.”

This. But guys often want to absolve women of responsibility. If I’m in there roofying her and like holding a gun to her head making her suck my dick, ok it’s my fault, but at the end of the day she’s the one who could call her hubby and say “hey I’m on my way home” and hop in a cab home to keep her family together. At some point she decided she doesn’t give a fuck about your family…if SHE doesn’t give a fuck about you or your kids or your family life, why would some random guy?

Is it her 500,000 followers on Instagram’s fault your relationship falls apart, or is it hers for putting up an Instagram with a bunch of slutty pics and spending all day flirting with the free validation?

(I’m partly poking the bear for fun now, the reality is I have a lot of specific rules for married chicks and don’t bang them as much as guys think…because as much as YOU think your 35+yo wife is this paragon of sexuality because she’s missing a finger from the time she saved your baby from burning his face off on a stove, to me she’s just some old chick with a missing finger lol I’d rather fuck the hot young chick your wife is rolling her eyes at for dressing “too slutty”)

@Andy
“You don’t what RIDICULOUS reason she might be pissed off at you on any particular night.”

Agreed. So you probably shouldn’t make a legal and lifetime commitment to her on the basis that you’ll never accidentally kick her cat or break her favorite wine glass. But hey, your genetics will pass on, so why even be worried? You decided that having kids was worth the risk that she may have PMS when you tease her about sweatpants somewhere in the 40+ years you’ll be together. I don’t think that’s a wise decision myself, but it’s not the sweatpants salesman’s job to not sell her sweatpants.

@Sun Wukong
“I appreciate the comments directed at me recently as I’ve been kind of melting down.”

If you gotta step away from the Red Pill entirely for a while, that’s cool, do what you gotta do. We’re all rootin for ya. This shit is massive, it’s bigger than finding out santa claus isn’t real, it takes time to digest lol Don’t pressure yourself like I gotta fix it right away, it could take years to fully reach peace with everything…that doesn’t mean it’ll be years before you get laid but like, it’s okay to chill for a bit. The important thing is that you’re in a place where you CAN focus on yourself and fixing this shit, and you have a support network to help you with it if you need their help.

But if you want to look at another area of it you might find RSD’s Blueprint an interesting watch. It’s absurdly long and Tyler goes DEEP in-depth about a TON of dynamics in society in general, like it’s not even about picking up girls so much as it is about just like why do people do the things they do and think they things they think and how did we all end up the way we are etc. Could give you some ideas on dealing with your internal issues. It’s a heavy watch though lol Torrent it, Tyler says he doesn’t care about it being pirated.

@CaveClown
“Women are not innocent, frail, naive creatures that get seduced by the big bad PUA ya know.”

This. Women are like dogs…they’re a great pet if you can train them properly and know how to handle them. But if you don’t know what you’re doing that dog is going to bite the face off some kid at the park and it’s not the kid’s fault for being at the park lol


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“But the ring, like my car keys, shows ownership. After that’s known its just stealing.”

Only to you. To the rest of the world, your car is a public bus and you leaving your jacket on the seat doesn’t mean no one else will take it for a ride. You want other people to respect your belief system and vows, but like, why would you expect them to? They’re yours, not the other guy’s.

Your wife will tell me that you’re a neglectful abusive asshole who can’t get it up in bed and that I’m basically SAVING her by banging her. She won’t have to leave you if we can fuck, so really I’m doing the RIGHT thing. And as the guy who’s just met her how do I know she’s not telling the truth? You might BE some neglectful abusive asshole, I don’t know you lol Banging me might be the best thing for her and she’s pushing for it so hey…you might rescue an abused puppy from it’s owner who ties it to a tree and beats it every day too, but I mean, you’re stealing and should feel bad about that right?

“We talk a lot about how men must guide them, but then overlook dudes scamming married women ARE guiding them.”

“despite it being against their best interests”

“Scamming” lol Watch Julien scam this girl with a boyfriend, what an asshole, she got NO pleasure out of that interaction and won’t enjoy fucking him at ALL this is totally against her best interests:

“The easiest sex I’ve ever got was with married chicks. Seriously.”

It was easier when I told them I had a GF myself (pLTR) because they knew I wasn’t going to interfere with their relationship:


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“unless the laws change with self driving cars, still theft.”

I didn’t realize it was illegal to fuck a married chick lol They should really put that in bold print somewhere on wedding rings.


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“the monogamous husband of that wife you’re fucking is working from a disadvantaged platform. Hence Immoral.”

If Michael Jordan’s opposing team all chop off their legs during a game, it’s not immoral of him to walk past them and shoot a basket lol He could just forfeit the game and walk away but he’s under no obligation to, he didn’t chop their legs off.

“you has some goofy rationalizations for doing so.”

You wouldn’t think they were goofy if you heard them straight from the mouths of the girls participating lol *I* didn’t come up with these rationalizations, they’re what’s happening all around you guys. I’m just the big bad messenger saying what’s happening out there and bringing the uncomfortable conversation to the table that guys don’t want to address.


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On top of it maybe she WOULD be happier with me. I doubt it (though for the night or our fuckbuddy relationship when she’s with me she’s definitely happier lol), but like, who knows maybe it IS in her best interest to bail on you for me. I mean, she’s clearly not happy/satisfied with YOU because if she was she wouldn’t be up on me at the bar lol

If I tell her flat out up front that I don’t want a relationship with her or to break up her marriage or to ever meet her kids or to even see her past a one night stand, and she fucks me, hey, I did what I could. Do your job better and she won’t be talking to me.


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“But let’s be frank: legalities aside, no man alive in the west doesn’t understand banging a married woman is screwing the other guy over. What amazes me is: I don’t like people and I’d never screw another mans wife. Seems like people who enjoy talking to everyone gives less of a shit about those individuals than I do.”

And by “be frank” you mean “enter my moral code where I can make a bunch of judgements about other peoples’ behavior because they should all have the same values that I have” lol You keep going back to this “it’s just WRONG” concept. Maybe I think you locking her down in monogamy is “wrong”, maybe I think you’re limiting her experiences in life. Should you conform to my value system and send her out to suck a bunch of dicks because you’re actually limiting her experiences and in the wrong?

“If you are Red Pill and/or truly believe women have less agency because “feelz” and you use that to your advantage without care of how it will affect her, her husband, and her kids, you can’t say you have zero responsibility.”

It’s not my fault that you are so unattractive that I trigger her feels. It’s not my job to make sure you trigger her Hypergamy so you can uphold the legal contract you entered that said you would keep her Hypergamy triggered forever. If you were triggering her Hypergamy, she wouldn’t give a shit about me.

“How would that be different than any pedophile that takes advantage of naive kids?”

“And it makes no difference if she wants it, asks for it, enjoys it.”

She wouldn’t be doing that if you were doing your job.

“So you banging them is feeding my kids a shit ton of candy.”

It’s not my fault you deprive your kids of candy and then when they come visit my free candy store they indulge in my goods. Feed them some candy and they won’t be hungry when they walk past my store.

“They may love you for it, but it isn’t good for them.”

I’ll babysit my LTR girl, you babysit yours lol You’re trying to rally up the rest of the world to help raise your kids for you like “c’mon, I know I kind of neglect the kid and haven’t fed him in a few weeks and he’s come crawling into your store with his stomach growling and asking for food and drooling over your candy but like, none of you should offer him food okay??? WORK WITH ME HERE!! HONOR!! MORALITY!!”


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@Scray
“So would I attribute all the amazing things that have happened for me to those external factors that I developed or to the confidence and the frame I have developed?

Confidence and frame, hands down.

The external stuff just reinforces those things. If I could somehow act EXACTLY the same while being a fat, ignorant slob….I know I’d be just as effective.”



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@CaveClown
“Getting cheated on destroys my ego because of competition anxiety, lack of frame control, mpo difficulties, and self confidence issues.”

ahhhh, there it is finally. 🙂

“So if you do that to me, by fucking my wife, then you are an asshole.”

Is that me doing that to you, or is that you doing that to yourself? Is it my fault you have those insecurities, or is it your fault for not working on them, especially before you marry a girl and sign a legal document that basically says “I will have a strong frame and stay confident and am better than my competition and I’ll fuck you proper and you can trust in that forever”

’cause by MY value system, a guy who’s girl is off trolling for dick isn’t keeping up his end of the bargain. One girl I banged said her fiance, when she tried to buy lube, got offended and said she shouldn’t need that. Like ok bro, are you shocked when your fiance fucks some other dude? You’re the one fucking up.

@Andy
“they were tricked into cutting off their own legs”

I don’t know that, a guy like Ted seems super confident that he did the right thing, it doesn’t sound like anyone tricked him or SJF or Rollo into marriage. In an ideal world more men find the red pill early and don’t get married to begin with…maybe like Fight Club we need to burn the system down the hard way to force guys to pay attention. (I’m semi-trolling at this point lol)

“But they still manage keep her happy 95% of the time by busting their asses even with their fucking legs cut off”

Do they? I don’t know that. I look around at married guys and see a bunch of sad sacks with beer bellies working jobs they hate with no dreams getting berated by their wives and just boozing their days away. Is she really happy 95% of the time with him? If she is, why is she at the bar in a slutty dress stroking my arm as we talk?

@redlight
“if you ever fucked a married woman you would know if they didn’t cheat with you they would be cheating with someone else. Hypergamy doesn’t care.”

This. It’s not really a coincidence that a lot of the guys hating on it haven’t actually fucked many of these girls and seen first-hand what the other side looks like (ie – seen how callous the girls are behind closed doors and how they know PERFECTLY WELL what they’re doing and will even admit they were going out TO FIND COCK that night), that’s why I don’t really get upset by it lol I get that from their world view it violates everything because they’re picturing the only way their unicorn would cheat on them would be some asshole bombarding her with attention manipulating and tricking her into sex.

But this wouldn’t be much of a Red Pill place if we all just nodded and said “yes, marriage should be respected we can all agree on that!” and ignore all the grey areas of it to preserve guy’s world views.

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@Scray
“I’ve got a group of over 100 people I connect now at clubs”

Jesus kid, well done lol Knew you had potential. And social circle shit is perfect for a short dude (it goes back to demonstrating high-value). You’re one of the few short dudes who actually applied optimal game. Bravo, dude. Warms my heart when guys actually go out and apply this shit for real long-term and push through the bullshit nights.

“You just do the math and solve the problem. And then onto the next problem and solve that problem. And solve the next problem too.
And if you solve enough problems, you get to go home.”

This is perfect, and how we approach game. Like right now my buddy is demoralized that numbers are turning out to be wood, but I keep telling him it’s fine we’re going to just experiment with shit until we solve it. Other guys have solved it, so we just figure it out and then we succeed, that’s all there is to it. Hell, it’s NICE to have a new challenge and puzzle to solve. I’m psyched to head out tonight and try some hardcore investment shit on girls to see what happens.

Anyone looking at Tyler when he started out would’ve told him to give up or sent him down the money/gym route (ironically he actually had a bunch of money when he was early 20s, had his own house and expensive watches and shit but couldn’t get laid with it because he was a fucking weirdo lol). But he looked at other guys who were successful and said “if they can do it then I can do it, I just have to figure out what they’re doing that I’m not doing” and backwards engineered from there.

Too many guys will be like “oh I’m too short” (not picking on you CaveClown lol, it’s just a good universal example) and listen to Scray and watch those Cupid Schmupid videos and SEE other short guys doing it and then STILL go “but I’M too short (even though I’m taller than them)” and stay where they are with their mindsets.

But a guy with the problem solving attitude sees Cupid and goes “ok he’s shorter than me and doing this, so it CAN be done, I just have to solve the problems until I’m doing it.” and heads out to the social lab to start experimenting.

“The further you go, the less you will need the externals.”

This.

“Ya man, you do a lot of good in the world.”

Gotta balance out all the bad karma I rack up fucking taken girls. 😉

@Andy
“And again. I’m not 100% sold that hypergamy is the one and only factor. Let’s admit… Okay, I’m talking to the master here, but is there not a new and exciting man factor to this?”

Be more new and exciting to her and don’t legally sign yourself into a situation where that’s difficult to do. I’m sure Rollo is more new and exciting to his wife than I would be, but he’s very carefully crafted a lifestyle that allows him to keep that up. Really the married chick meets me for like half an hour…if I can convey in HALF AN HOUR more excitement than you have in years, like, you’re doing something wrong.

“Also there’s no “my husband laughed at my hair due this morning, so he doesn’t care about me anymore” factor to this?””

Learn to manage her emotions. Ideally we get to a point where every man learns red pill shit and plays the field and learns to calibrate to girls emotions and learns how to handle those “doesn’t care about me anymore” shit-tests before he signs a legal contract that says he’ll pass all those tests forever especially on days she has a GNO planned (or ideally he doesn’t sign that contract at all lol)


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Here’s a good clip of Hypergamy live in-field at the start of this video:

The student has the girl attracted enough to extract her and walk out the exit with him, which is a solid amount of compliance. But then he doesn’t see the window of opportunity that she WANTS TO FUCK that night, and when he won’t listen to Julien and keeps trying for the gay number close that will be wood and isn’t what the girl wants, he steps in and shows the student how it’s done and she IMMEDIATELY switches to the new more interesting exciting object with more emotional impact and the guy she spent who knows how long with becomes invisible to her. She feels no qualms about it, she doesn’t owe that guy any attention or even a “bye I’m leaving with this guy”. She’s just following her Hypergamy.

Now is it Julien’s fault for engaging her and giving her what she WANTS (since she goes with him, it’s not like he has to CONVINCE a girl who’s giving him iois and wants to get laid to go with him he doesn’t have to “trick” her)?

Or is it the student’s fault for not stepping up like Julien told him to and providing her with the emotions she needs that trigger her Hypergamy so that Julien CAN’T take her and so that she gets the good feelings and sex that she WANTS?

(he leads her around the corner and then puts the student in a cab with her (because you can transfer Buying Temperatures if you know what you’re doing), he’s not a total dick lol but that student needed to learn that girls don’t owe him SHIT, he has to be attractive and do the right shit or other guys can take her…if he had been engaging her properly, like a guy properly triggering his wife’s Hypergamy, that girl would ignore Julien)


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@Sun Wukong
Everything you just said lol

“I can’t hold on to her against every other dude she’ll ever meet.”

This is what guys have to understand. All YOU can do as a man is understand what emotions and shit she needs and provide them, while handling your own shit and staying as high-value as possible, to the point where even YOU don’t view other men as competition (because what you feel, she feels, she pings off you for how she should feel, if you view other men as a threat to you she’ll assume you know something she doesn’t and view them as better than you too, this is also why preselection and social proof works, she pings off her environment…put Rollo and I in a room together with a chick I’m seeing and while objectively by ANYONE’S sane logical standards Rollo could probably take her off me, there isn’t even a remote INKLING in my mind of doubt that I’m higher value than Rollo and provide what she needs better than he could ever HOPE to…is that actually true/accurate? Probably not lol but it doesn’t matter, what matters is that I fully believe it and my entire frame is based around it and she will fall into my frame and believe it too).

From there you have to just trust in “what you feel, she feels” and Hypergamy to keep her around, instead of trusting in the rest of society and especially other men to keep her around FOR you lol


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@Sun Wukong
No idea if this’ll help you ’cause I can’t relate to legit depression but like, here’s a thread for guys who are depressed while taking in the red pill, there might be some useful reading for you in there:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2az4oe/

I have a buddy with massive depression and he does the running, vitamin D, fish oil, regular sleep, etc stuff but like I have no idea how any of that works lol


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“I have a boyfriend, I love my boyfriend”. lol Is Tyler the bad guy here? Or is that chick choosing to give no fucks about the commitments she’s made. Is her life worse after this? Is her home broken and her kids living without a father because of this? Or does she just give no fucks because her boyfriend isn’t doing his job.

SO many examples of this infield lol


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@Pellaeon
“If you’re willing, Id like to hit you up for some perspective later. All of my experiences have shown me that being fat is just a huge motherfucking hurdle. I’m curious as to whether you got your first sexual experiences while still being fat, or if fatness came after your first kiss and lay.”

I’d call it chubby more than fat…till I see photos of myself and see my gross double chin lol But I’m not like 300lbs fat.

RSDTyler was fat for a few years and says he didn’t even realize he was fat, he thought he looked awesome, because he was getting a bunch of feedback from girls that he’s hot so his brain was just like “well I must be hot then if I’m getting these girls” lol:

RSDJeffy fluctuates from chubby to ripped (my body is about like Jeffy on the left but with more saggy/pointy manbooby boobage lol):

RSDOzzie and RSDAlex were both fat for a while…pretty much every instructor goes through it at some point.

RSDJulien is sporting a nice spare tire and manboobs here (first comment “Julien is going to have to start wearing a bra soon” lol):

I’ve always been chubby, there was like a year after I got into pickup (and was pulling and banging) where I decided to try dieting and hitting the gym and slimmed down to my lowest weight and picked up a bit of muscle but it made zero difference in my pickup so now it’s just like eh fuck it lol It’s hard to motivate yourself to go to the gym when you’ve got a girl with a tight body curled up to you and she clearly gives no fucks and LIKES that you’re a little cuddly.

I walk around naked after sex too lol because it’s funny to me because I know my body isn’t “sexy” so it’s like self-amusing to me to strut around and subtly rub in the girls face like “ya, you fucked THIS” lol I walk around naked like this guy:

Because I go for a particular type of girl (the extrovert/confident ones that doll themselves up and shit-test hard VS like the shy girl next door types), when I see pics of guys they’ve been with before me the guys are pretty much always jacked. That’s why the stuff about “well what do they masturbate to, no male strip club has fat guys” etc is just like lol who cares. Get in their face and make them feel emotions, dominate, lead, etc and it doesn’t matter if you have a 27″ bicep or 29″ one (I don’t even know what a good measurement for a bicep is lol).

It’s even more-so now that I fully understand laser eye-contact…once you lock lasers on her, the girl isn’t looking anywhere but your eyes. I could have a third arm and she wouldn’t even notice it because she’s locked onto my eyes. So wtf do I care about having abs? lol

The funniest part is that girls will still feel me up and act like I’m jacked feeling my biceps while we fuck etc Like recently I was making out with a 21yo and she runs her hand down my chest clearly expecting there to be some kind of ripped chest and she just copped a full out feel of manboob lol it was funny shit and no fucks given because I’m giving her the emotions she wants.

99% of the time it’s all in your head, but it comes through in your subcomms and the girls are pinging off you to know how to feel so when you feel insecure about something the girl thinks “ok if he’s insecure about it then it must be something to be insecure about” and it becomes a big deal.

Is it GOOD to lose the weight and get in shape? Ya, sure, but more for health reasons (easier to bang girls, better to keep yourself in long-term shape, etc) and to help your own mental blocks about it, than to pass some actual legitimate barrier to getting laid.


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Think of it this way. If you meet some smokin hot girl, tits out to here, ass you can bounce a quarter off etc. and she has kind of a lame personality and works at McDonald’s, would you still fuck her? Some guys might not but for the most part most guys will. Would it be NICE if she had an amazing personality and impressive career on top of that body? Sure…although if you’re just keeping her as a fuckbuddy you might not even really care because the main thing that attracts you to her and gives you a boner is already met in spades.

Women are attracted to alpha traits like dominating her in bed and destroying her shit-tests and being that uncontrollable wild stallion that she wants to tame and escalates shit to sex assuming attraction and has preselection and social proof etc etc. Would it be NICE if you were also a 6’4″ jacked He-Man? Ya, sure…but you’re already providing the things that actually attract her and make her tingle, so it’s not really necessary.

The big problem men have is that they’re so bought into the social conditioning that they won’t let themselves BE that dominant uncontrollable badass guy that escalates to sex and assumes attraction etc, so of course they can’t do it. They don’t feel entitled to it. Then ironically they might go out and do that with like a 4/10 and get laid, and never piece together “if I could just treat a hot girl the way I treat an ugly girl, I’d get the same result” because the social conditioning of “you’re not good enough” runs so deep.

But it’s as silly as an HB10 thinking you don’t want to fuck her because she doesn’t have an interesting enough personality or doesn’t work as a lawyer lol The absurdity of that notion is how absurd a guy thinking not having a 6-pack or being jacked means girls won’t be attracted to him. It’s looking at the wrong channels entirely.

Did cavemen all look like the guys in 300? Or did they just look like various masses of flesh that could dominantly toss a cavewoman around by the hair and fuck her brains out? But in 2015 you take a chubby guy now and combine it with his FI-conditioned lack of self confidence and fear of taking up space or being the center of attention let alone any kind of entitlement to ANYTHING in life and it’s like man it’s not the manboobs that are holding you back lol


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Attitude definitely sells:

Other guys are better looking, bigger, taller, more jacked, whiter, richer, with nicer suits (especially when he started out VS now that he’s loaded) etc than this guy…so why do girls buy him $50,000 watches?

What is he offering that those other guys aren’t? It’s clearly not external.


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Attitude definitely sells:

Other guys are better looking, bigger, taller, more jacked, whiter, richer, with nicer suits (especially when he started out VS now that he’s loaded) etc than this guy…so why do girls buy him $50,000 watches?

What is he offering that those other guys aren’t? It’s clearly not external.


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Never been in a real fight in my life. Most of the guys who talk about what hardened badasses they are (and hate me and tell me how much they’d kick my ass when I assholishly dismiss that stuff like I’m doing in this comment lol and then tell me about how they totally growled at this one girl (inevitably a 6 who approached them) after their last mountain climbing expedition and she spread her pussy on the bar for them) choke when you put their personal 9-10 in a bar in front of them staring them down with a cute little girly smile.

You get better at picking up girls by going out and picking up girls. Everything else is just looking for loopholes and beating around the bush hoping to get the same results without having to put your ego on the line (most guys would rather spend hours locked away in an office or gym working their asses off hoping that that gets girls to approach them, rather than just walk up to a hot girl as they are right now as they read this very comment, and say hi to her and expect her to be attracted to them as they are).

We feed guys delusional optimism because the average guy in a bar looks like this:

http://s245.photobucket.com/user/asami42421/media/DSC02303.jpg.html

These guys don’t need to be “realistic and skeptical”. They look like scared children standing in the middle of a courtroom full of adults and they wear all their depressing negative mindsets on their face. These guys NEED to be delusionally optimistic just to get STARTED approaching hot girls, let alone taking over a room and enjoying being the center of attention.

We know what we teach works, but it won’t work if you don’t buy into it and expect it to work because you will always end up being half a gangster out there, doing stuff hesitating and worrying. You can go up and be a complete retard if you want and it’ll work, as long as you do it congruently…the second you hesitate is the second you show that you don’t fully believe you can get away with what you’re doing and it’s the second she feels the same way and shit falls apart.

See the end of this video where Tyler and Julien dump bottles of hair gel on their head and go hit on girls because AskMen wanted them to dumb down their message for the masses and tell guys how hair gel will help them get women (they burned a multi-million dollar contract with this apparently lol):

Really that whole video is solid internal content about how guys look at people who are successful and look for excuses for why they can’t be as successful and try to copy them and shit and ignore all logic and evidence in front of them to cling to their socially conditioned beliefs.

The first step is just getting guys out the fucking door because we know that if they fully buy-in they’ll start the snowball momentum rolling.

Down the road they can look at their results, just like any other area (gym, business, etc) and say “Am I getting the results I want? No? Then what can I do differently” and take a more realistic look at what they’re doing.

That’s also why we push guys to write Field Reports. Infield you go fully delusionally optimistic. Afterwards, when you’re doing your Field Reports breaking down the night and analyzing shit, that’s when you be realistic and actually think about “you know this thing that one guy told me to try isn’t really working, maybe I’ll switch it up” and shit.

Kobe doesn’t need to be on the court thinking “well, REALISTICALLY that other guy has 2″ of height on me so my % chance of making this basket really isn’t THAT good, I mean, if we’re being realistic and healthily skeptical here I probably WON’T make this shot”. He can do that in the changeroom after the game or when he’s watching replays to tighten his shit up, especially if he loses a bunch of games in a row. But on the court he should be delusional as fuck about how great he is, just like how Tyson won half his fights before the fight even started. People, especially women, pick up on your subcommunications. Women have had to become skilled at that shit since they were pre-teens. If you don’t believe you’re the shit, why would she? She’s pinging off you and her environment for how to feel.

“It’s important to bear in mind that any mindset you learn is only as legitimate as the realities that inform it.”

Not entirely sure this means what I think it means but if it means “you have to have success to feel successful” then I disagree. That’s guys’ biggest problem, not feeling “justified” in feeling confident or sexworthy etc. “I can’t feel entitled to that girl because I don’t have a job and I live with my parents and I don’t have a 6-pack”. That belief is nonsense lol


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Never been in a real fight in my life. Most of the guys who talk about what hardened badasses they are (and hate me and tell me how much they’d kick my ass when I assholishly dismiss that stuff like I’m doing in this comment lol and then tell me about how they totally growled at this one girl (inevitably a 6 who approached them) after their last mountain climbing expedition and she spread her pussy on the bar for them) choke when you put their personal 9-10 in a bar in front of them staring them down with a cute little girly smile.

You get better at picking up girls by going out and picking up girls. Everything else is just looking for loopholes and beating around the bush hoping to get the same results without having to put your ego on the line (most guys would rather spend hours locked away in an office or gym working their asses off hoping that that gets girls to approach them, rather than just walk up to a hot girl as they are right now as they read this very comment, and say hi to her and expect her to be attracted to them as they are).

We feed guys delusional optimism because the average guy in a bar looks like this:

http://s245.photobucket.com/user/asami42421/media/DSC02303.jpg.html

These guys don’t need to be “realistic and skeptical”. They look like scared children standing in the middle of a courtroom full of adults and they wear all their depressing negative mindsets on their face. These guys NEED to be delusionally optimistic just to get STARTED approaching hot girls, let alone taking over a room and enjoying being the center of attention.

We know what we teach works, but it won’t work if you don’t buy into it and expect it to work because you will always end up being half a gangster out there, doing stuff hesitating and worrying. You can go up and be a complete retard if you want and it’ll work, as long as you do it congruently…the second you hesitate is the second you show that you don’t fully believe you can get away with what you’re doing and it’s the second she feels the same way and shit falls apart.

See the end of this video where Tyler and Julien dump bottles of hair gel on their head and go hit on girls because AskMen wanted them to dumb down their message for the masses and tell guys how hair gel will help them get women (they burned a multi-million dollar contract with this apparently lol):

Really that whole video is solid internal content about how guys look at people who are successful and look for excuses for why they can’t be as successful and try to copy them and shit and ignore all logic and evidence in front of them to cling to their socially conditioned beliefs.

The first step is just getting guys out the fucking door because we know that if they fully buy-in they’ll start the snowball momentum rolling.

Down the road they can look at their results, just like any other area (gym, business, etc) and say “Am I getting the results I want? No? Then what can I do differently” and take a more realistic look at what they’re doing.

That’s also why we push guys to write Field Reports. Infield you go fully delusionally optimistic. Afterwards, when you’re doing your Field Reports breaking down the night and analyzing shit, that’s when you be realistic and actually think about “you know this thing that one guy told me to try isn’t really working, maybe I’ll switch it up” and shit.

Kobe doesn’t need to be on the court thinking “well, REALISTICALLY that other guy has 2″ of height on me so my % chance of making this basket really isn’t THAT good, I mean, if we’re being realistic and healthily skeptical here I probably WON’T make this shot”. He can do that in the changeroom after the game or when he’s watching replays to tighten his shit up, especially if he loses a bunch of games in a row. But on the court he should be delusional as fuck about how great he is, just like how Tyson won half his fights before the fight even started. People, especially women, pick up on your subcommunications. Women have had to become skilled at that shit since they were pre-teens. If you don’t believe you’re the shit, why would she? She’s pinging off you and her environment for how to feel.

“It’s important to bear in mind that any mindset you learn is only as legitimate as the realities that inform it.”

Not entirely sure this means what I think it means but if it means “you have to have success to feel successful” then I disagree. That’s guys’ biggest problem, not feeling “justified” in feeling confident or sexworthy etc. “I can’t feel entitled to that girl because I don’t have a job and I live with my parents and I don’t have a 6-pack”. That belief is nonsense lol


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“After a half bottle of Port…older broads are harder to game…this is well-recognized in the manosphere…practice on older broads…younger broads are easier to game and you will get much success with younger broads after practicing on older broads…older broads will game you…be prepared to practice defense…they will try to get their claws into your emotions…fucking old witches…what can you do but laugh at yourself?”

lol wut? Older chicks are WAY easier. They’re desperate and lonely lol I wouldn’t want to date them, they’re probably harder to date, but pulling them is easy. Half the time their friends will cheer them on getting laid instead of cockblock.

@SJF
“That statement was more meant that if you get hyped up by PUA stuff that YaReally talks about and yet you haven’t put in the time to have mastery of PUA or an an unskilled artist at it, then you have to be realistic about your prospects. If you haven’t put in the time, learned the craft, approached lots of women or actually been with a lot of women then you are just winging it and your mileage may vary.”

Thanks for the clarification (I hear the argument I mentioned a bunch when people hate on PUA lol). I agree completely with this. I would way rather some guy goes out infield this weekend to approach a bunch of girls and try this shit out and write a Field Report than spend his weekend reading my stupid archives.

@kobayashii234i234
“The journey of the red pill is to know one’s self and internalise their own value”

Yup. That’s what Tyler’s vid I linked is all about and what we try to stress. It’s surreal to me now how many guys can’t see their own value because they’ve let other people and society dictate their value system (which is almost never “the things I have” and almost always “the things I don’t have and probably can’t ever achieve so I have an excuse to not try”). Though I know I used to BE that guy so I get it…but it’s super sad to look around and see all this potential going to waste out there.


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“After a half bottle of Port…older broads are harder to game…this is well-recognized in the manosphere…practice on older broads…younger broads are easier to game and you will get much success with younger broads after practicing on older broads…older broads will game you…be prepared to practice defense…they will try to get their claws into your emotions…fucking old witches…what can you do but laugh at yourself?”

lol wut? Older chicks are WAY easier. They’re desperate and lonely lol I wouldn’t want to date them, they’re probably harder to date, but pulling them is easy. Half the time their friends will cheer them on getting laid instead of cockblock.

@SJF
“That statement was more meant that if you get hyped up by PUA stuff that YaReally talks about and yet you haven’t put in the time to have mastery of PUA or an an unskilled artist at it, then you have to be realistic about your prospects. If you haven’t put in the time, learned the craft, approached lots of women or actually been with a lot of women then you are just winging it and your mileage may vary.”

Thanks for the clarification (I hear the argument I mentioned a bunch when people hate on PUA lol). I agree completely with this. I would way rather some guy goes out infield this weekend to approach a bunch of girls and try this shit out and write a Field Report than spend his weekend reading my stupid archives.

@kobayashii234i234
“The journey of the red pill is to know one’s self and internalise their own value”

Yup. That’s what Tyler’s vid I linked is all about and what we try to stress. It’s surreal to me now how many guys can’t see their own value because they’ve let other people and society dictate their value system (which is almost never “the things I have” and almost always “the things I don’t have and probably can’t ever achieve so I have an excuse to not try”). Though I know I used to BE that guy so I get it…but it’s super sad to look around and see all this potential going to waste out there.


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“If you’re in a venue where there’s no younger competition, then older broads can be a bitch to game.”

Time for a different venue lol It’s probably hard to game pigs in a pigpen too :D


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“If you’re in a venue where there’s no younger competition, then older broads can be a bitch to game.”

Time for a different venue lol It’s probably hard to game pigs in a pigpen too😀


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0:59 lol:


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0:59 lol:


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And this was the outcome of a guy saying the same thing lol:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2828481/New-Redfoo-Lil-Jon-song-literally-t-stop-causing-controversy-new-track-deemed-offensive-song-year.html

I’m actually REALLY surprised I didn’t hear this song in the clubs constantly, I thought for SURE this one would get tons of play and girls would be the ones singing along to it and requesting it.


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And this was the outcome of a guy saying the same thing lol:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2828481/New-Redfoo-Lil-Jon-song-literally-t-stop-causing-controversy-new-track-deemed-offensive-song-year.html

I’m actually REALLY surprised I didn’t hear this song in the clubs constantly, I thought for SURE this one would get tons of play and girls would be the ones singing along to it and requesting it.


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Props on going out. Brief notes:

“I know chicks run on emotion and all that, but HOW CAN SHE POSSIBLY NOT SEE THE HYPOCRISY”

lol first chick in this infield, dating younger guys and then hating on Tyler for doing the same, same reaction as you basically “as IF you’re hating on me” lol:

“I know, I know, I need to work on my entitlement..not used to this from such hot girls”

lol congrats on it either way. Part of the “3 second rule” is so that we jump into set before we really register the girl is smokin hot, ’cause if you had checked her out from afar and seen how hot she was you may not have approached at all because suddenly there’s way more pressure than when you just get thrown in there.

“Then she said “Just so you know, my boyfriend is waiting for us downstairs”.”

Did they seem like they were about to leave? Could just be a test to see what you do, especially if she’s letting you kino her with no “omg don’t touch me my boyfriend might see” (unless she wants a “let’s you and him fight” situ). A lot of hot girls will do stuff like that just to see what you do. I like to push it one more note before giving up, like I’d say something like “well then it’s a good thing he’s down there and can’t see this (go for the kiss)” (VS backing off on your intent with “So? I’m just chatting”, like my way would be still showing unfazed intent sort of like not apologizing for a joke that doesn’t go well…she’s giving enough iois that you could probably get away with one more push). If she gives the cheek to the kiss attempt just lol it off no harm no foul and joke around a bit and then eject like you did, but at least you push it one more note to see if she’s bluffing. If she DOES kiss then grab the number just incase he really IS downstairs but she just doesn’t care about him or wants to break it off with him etc, but for your own safety better to just have the number and eject to pursue later than risk sticking with her and escalating more and her actually HAVING one who sees it lol

“HABD said a few months ago that if I am getting more AIs my subcomms must be better and it’s just increasing more and more – even a year ago, one or two AIs were noteworthy in a night..last night I am not even sure how many AIs I got – 10+ for sure, although part of it is also that I am better at spotting them (it can’t be anything else – last night I wore a t-shirt and jeans I’ve been wearing for 4 years now and I’m in no better shape – just going a lot more grey haired, despite being only 35 – and yet it made literally no difference to all the college girls I hit on).”

Good stuff. Glad you’re branching out from the sugar daddy thing. You’re only 35, like, that’s way too young to need to resort to the sugar daddy scene. I’m mid-30s too and hot young college chicks give no fucks, for half of them I’m the older man fantasy…older and more grounded/solid than their peers, but not so old that I remind them of their dad lol

Like I’ve said before, these guys are 50-ish and would still plow college poon no problem:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/6/#comment-heartiste-574707

“I can approach most of the time (except really big/mixed sets).”

One way I like to look at bigger sets is that the more people that are in the set the more likely it is that at least ONE of them will be receptive and friendly to you lol In like a 2-set they might both hate your ass from the word hello, but in like a 5-set odds are even if 4 of them hate you that last one will be into you and that can be enough of a spark to work with to win the rest of the set over.

RSD Ozzie (he’s like 45 or something, the dinosaur of RSD) just put up a good infield clip of him working a group:

He starts by befriending/disarming the guy, then disarms the raggedy-ann haired potential cockblock, then finally moves onto the girl he wants who’s fully receptive (because she’s observed him DHV’ing by disarming her group) with full approval of the rest of the group.

You don’t HAVE to run huge sets or anything, stick to what you’re doing ’cause it sounds like you’re stepping up enough to already be pushing your comfort zone, I’m just throwing this out there ’cause it’s a nice clip of an old-ass man running a mixed set properly lol I’m not a big Ozzie fan but he’s old as fuck and running high-energy kiddie venues so he has some good perspectives (though he’s a pretty high-energy guy infield which personally I’m not, which is probably why I can’t relate to his stuff as much):

“I am FAR more alert and observant with no booze, but it is also much harder to get into state”

Massive props, it’s damn hard to slow up on the alcohol crutch but so much better for you in terms of health and skillset in the longrun:

“But then again, what Julien says in PIMP is bang on..you can’t change your state by thinking..only ACTION changes your state”

Yup, we come up with a bunch of ways to force ourselves to take action. Like an oldschool method is give your buddy $100 (or whatever amount is significant to you lol) and for every approach you do (good or bad, doesn’t matter, just have to open ANYTHING) you get $20 back. That kind of thing forces you to take action which will force your state to change…you can’t THINK your way out of a bad state even though that’s our default method and we try REALLY FUCKING HARD to do it that way lol

“I did a really bad dance-floor high-five/approach on a two-set (they still opened well) and even a bad approach pumped my energy”

My buddy and I say “still counts!” after literally ANY open we do, no matter how bad or how lame or if the girl completely snubs us and doesn’t even ACKNOWLEDGE us, hell even just shouting across the street to some girls who don’t even realize we’re there, we go “still counts!” and fist-bump or cheers, because we know just taking any action to start getting unstifled is what’s going to make the difference in the momentum of the night as we get outside our heads after a week of working on computers and in quiet offices with headphones on and shit.

“The real Big Issue for the night is that I’m still letting conversations fizzle out because I don’t know where to take it.”

Pull up a seat and get ready for the Outer Game section of PIMP. ;) Seriously start watching it on like a Sunday/Monday so you can re-watch and digest it all week because Julien hands you the flat out blueprint there. I’m STILL re-watching it each week digesting it all and making notes and reflecting on my sets from the weekend and what I should have done different and what I’m forgetting to apply infield etc When you get to the stuff on stacking disqualifications, try to look at the M3 model and understand what he’s doing (I talk about this somewhere in my archive, search for “Mystery Method Julien loop” and you should find it), he’s still applying classic MM (Julien learned traditional game first) but he’s amping up the A3 stage making it harder for her to earn his “male to female interest”, like getting her to work harder for it which is key in 2015 where girls have validation thrown at them 24/7.

“because I didn’t follow his advice to TAKE THE NUMBER before you leave”

Also all his stuff in the Closing section is fucking GOLD, everything he says about phone numbers and stuff. Again, rewatch it a million times when you get to it lol You’re basically sitting on the holy grail of how to game in 2015 with PIMP.

“And this problem gets much worse as the night goes on, because they get drunker and it is even harder to talk”

Ya I hate that shit, I try to hit them up sooner when they’re not drunk. And often you’ll find the really hot girls aren’t very drunk if at all, because they have more of a reputation to uphold in terms of not being the sloppy bar star girl barfing on the dance floor lol So if anything, try the hotter girls later in the night, you’ll be literally the only sober coherent charismatic guy to open them at that stage lol

“I think I need to literally sit down and write a personalised script for myself to follow and memorize a list of routines (more or less) to use when needed.”

Now you know how Mystery Method happened lol Give PIMP’s Outer game section a watch and see if it gives you ideas. I have a lot of random default stuff I throw in there and a few stories I know will hit good notes and demonstrate good things…I can improvise enough from just going out a lot that I don’t need to necessarily write them out and rehearse them word for word but like, if it helps why the fuck not do it? Comedians do it all the time, the best comedians aren’t up there just winging their jokes. Be flexible so you can venture off the script but like, if I’m in set and I can get the girl and I talking about, say, relationships, I have a handful of rock solid general routines I can steer the conversation toward that seem like they’ve just organically come up but I know when I go into them that they’re going to spike her Buying Temp and DHV me and sexualize the conversation etc because I’ve used them a bunch.

“Still not sure how to handle the issue on the dance floor though..it’s even harder there.”

Personally I avoid the dance floor entirely lol I’m old and white, I know I don’t belong on that shit. But when I do have to go out there I just try to open some girls and not dance and try to suck them into my “this isn’t a dance floor, it’s a standing area” frame lol Doesn’t always work but when it does it’s hilarious to me because everyone else is dancing and we’re just having a normal standing conversation. Unless you have sick dance moves, my strategy with the dance floor when I have to do it and I can get them in conversation mode, is to just get them off the dance floor as fast as possible with shit like motioning to my ears like “what? I can’t hear you! Come with me.” and try to lead them off, or motion a drink and then go get waters etc

If the venue itself is super loud, try to look for the quiet spots on the opposite sides of speakers, smoking areas, patios, bars on the other side of the venue from the dance floor or around a corner from the dance floor etc, there’s almost ALWAYS a “chill out” space in even crazy venues because usually people designing those venues know people need a space to catch their breath and let their eardrums stop pounding etc.

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Props on going out. Brief notes:

“I know chicks run on emotion and all that, but HOW CAN SHE POSSIBLY NOT SEE THE HYPOCRISY”

lol first chick in this infield, dating younger guys and then hating on Tyler for doing the same, same reaction as you basically “as IF you’re hating on me” lol:

“I know, I know, I need to work on my entitlement..not used to this from such hot girls”

lol congrats on it either way. Part of the “3 second rule” is so that we jump into set before we really register the girl is smokin hot, ’cause if you had checked her out from afar and seen how hot she was you may not have approached at all because suddenly there’s way more pressure than when you just get thrown in there.

“Then she said “Just so you know, my boyfriend is waiting for us downstairs”.”

Did they seem like they were about to leave? Could just be a test to see what you do, especially if she’s letting you kino her with no “omg don’t touch me my boyfriend might see” (unless she wants a “let’s you and him fight” situ). A lot of hot girls will do stuff like that just to see what you do. I like to push it one more note before giving up, like I’d say something like “well then it’s a good thing he’s down there and can’t see this (go for the kiss)” (VS backing off on your intent with “So? I’m just chatting”, like my way would be still showing unfazed intent sort of like not apologizing for a joke that doesn’t go well…she’s giving enough iois that you could probably get away with one more push). If she gives the cheek to the kiss attempt just lol it off no harm no foul and joke around a bit and then eject like you did, but at least you push it one more note to see if she’s bluffing. If she DOES kiss then grab the number just incase he really IS downstairs but she just doesn’t care about him or wants to break it off with him etc, but for your own safety better to just have the number and eject to pursue later than risk sticking with her and escalating more and her actually HAVING one who sees it lol

“HABD said a few months ago that if I am getting more AIs my subcomms must be better and it’s just increasing more and more – even a year ago, one or two AIs were noteworthy in a night..last night I am not even sure how many AIs I got – 10+ for sure, although part of it is also that I am better at spotting them (it can’t be anything else – last night I wore a t-shirt and jeans I’ve been wearing for 4 years now and I’m in no better shape – just going a lot more grey haired, despite being only 35 – and yet it made literally no difference to all the college girls I hit on).”

Good stuff. Glad you’re branching out from the sugar daddy thing. You’re only 35, like, that’s way too young to need to resort to the sugar daddy scene. I’m mid-30s too and hot young college chicks give no fucks, for half of them I’m the older man fantasy…older and more grounded/solid than their peers, but not so old that I remind them of their dad lol

Like I’ve said before, these guys are 50-ish and would still plow college poon no problem:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/6/#comment-heartiste-574707

“I can approach most of the time (except really big/mixed sets).”

One way I like to look at bigger sets is that the more people that are in the set the more likely it is that at least ONE of them will be receptive and friendly to you lol In like a 2-set they might both hate your ass from the word hello, but in like a 5-set odds are even if 4 of them hate you that last one will be into you and that can be enough of a spark to work with to win the rest of the set over.

RSD Ozzie (he’s like 45 or something, the dinosaur of RSD) just put up a good infield clip of him working a group:

He starts by befriending/disarming the guy, then disarms the raggedy-ann haired potential cockblock, then finally moves onto the girl he wants who’s fully receptive (because she’s observed him DHV’ing by disarming her group) with full approval of the rest of the group.

You don’t HAVE to run huge sets or anything, stick to what you’re doing ’cause it sounds like you’re stepping up enough to already be pushing your comfort zone, I’m just throwing this out there ’cause it’s a nice clip of an old-ass man running a mixed set properly lol I’m not a big Ozzie fan but he’s old as fuck and running high-energy kiddie venues so he has some good perspectives (though he’s a pretty high-energy guy infield which personally I’m not, which is probably why I can’t relate to his stuff as much):

“I am FAR more alert and observant with no booze, but it is also much harder to get into state”

Massive props, it’s damn hard to slow up on the alcohol crutch but so much better for you in terms of health and skillset in the longrun:

“But then again, what Julien says in PIMP is bang on..you can’t change your state by thinking..only ACTION changes your state”

Yup, we come up with a bunch of ways to force ourselves to take action. Like an oldschool method is give your buddy $100 (or whatever amount is significant to you lol) and for every approach you do (good or bad, doesn’t matter, just have to open ANYTHING) you get $20 back. That kind of thing forces you to take action which will force your state to change…you can’t THINK your way out of a bad state even though that’s our default method and we try REALLY FUCKING HARD to do it that way lol

“I did a really bad dance-floor high-five/approach on a two-set (they still opened well) and even a bad approach pumped my energy”

My buddy and I say “still counts!” after literally ANY open we do, no matter how bad or how lame or if the girl completely snubs us and doesn’t even ACKNOWLEDGE us, hell even just shouting across the street to some girls who don’t even realize we’re there, we go “still counts!” and fist-bump or cheers, because we know just taking any action to start getting unstifled is what’s going to make the difference in the momentum of the night as we get outside our heads after a week of working on computers and in quiet offices with headphones on and shit.

“The real Big Issue for the night is that I’m still letting conversations fizzle out because I don’t know where to take it.”

Pull up a seat and get ready for the Outer Game section of PIMP. 😉 Seriously start watching it on like a Sunday/Monday so you can re-watch and digest it all week because Julien hands you the flat out blueprint there. I’m STILL re-watching it each week digesting it all and making notes and reflecting on my sets from the weekend and what I should have done different and what I’m forgetting to apply infield etc When you get to the stuff on stacking disqualifications, try to look at the M3 model and understand what he’s doing (I talk about this somewhere in my archive, search for “Mystery Method Julien loop” and you should find it), he’s still applying classic MM (Julien learned traditional game first) but he’s amping up the A3 stage making it harder for her to earn his “male to female interest”, like getting her to work harder for it which is key in 2015 where girls have validation thrown at them 24/7.

“because I didn’t follow his advice to TAKE THE NUMBER before you leave”

Also all his stuff in the Closing section is fucking GOLD, everything he says about phone numbers and stuff. Again, rewatch it a million times when you get to it lol You’re basically sitting on the holy grail of how to game in 2015 with PIMP.

“And this problem gets much worse as the night goes on, because they get drunker and it is even harder to talk”

Ya I hate that shit, I try to hit them up sooner when they’re not drunk. And often you’ll find the really hot girls aren’t very drunk if at all, because they have more of a reputation to uphold in terms of not being the sloppy bar star girl barfing on the dance floor lol So if anything, try the hotter girls later in the night, you’ll be literally the only sober coherent charismatic guy to open them at that stage lol

“I think I need to literally sit down and write a personalised script for myself to follow and memorize a list of routines (more or less) to use when needed.”

Now you know how Mystery Method happened lol Give PIMP’s Outer game section a watch and see if it gives you ideas. I have a lot of random default stuff I throw in there and a few stories I know will hit good notes and demonstrate good things…I can improvise enough from just going out a lot that I don’t need to necessarily write them out and rehearse them word for word but like, if it helps why the fuck not do it? Comedians do it all the time, the best comedians aren’t up there just winging their jokes. Be flexible so you can venture off the script but like, if I’m in set and I can get the girl and I talking about, say, relationships, I have a handful of rock solid general routines I can steer the conversation toward that seem like they’ve just organically come up but I know when I go into them that they’re going to spike her Buying Temp and DHV me and sexualize the conversation etc because I’ve used them a bunch.

“Still not sure how to handle the issue on the dance floor though..it’s even harder there.”

Personally I avoid the dance floor entirely lol I’m old and white, I know I don’t belong on that shit. But when I do have to go out there I just try to open some girls and not dance and try to suck them into my “this isn’t a dance floor, it’s a standing area” frame lol Doesn’t always work but when it does it’s hilarious to me because everyone else is dancing and we’re just having a normal standing conversation. Unless you have sick dance moves, my strategy with the dance floor when I have to do it and I can get them in conversation mode, is to just get them off the dance floor as fast as possible with shit like motioning to my ears like “what? I can’t hear you! Come with me.” and try to lead them off, or motion a drink and then go get waters etc

If the venue itself is super loud, try to look for the quiet spots on the opposite sides of speakers, smoking areas, patios, bars on the other side of the venue from the dance floor or around a corner from the dance floor etc, there’s almost ALWAYS a “chill out” space in even crazy venues because usually people designing those venues know people need a space to catch their breath and let their eardrums stop pounding etc.

Hope this helps!


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“Just as the tree of liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, so perhaps the field of gender power needs to be reset from time to time by brief returns to the elemental dark world.”

What I’d like to see is someone leverage all this feminist hate for International Men’s Day that just went around and had a bunch of articles going, to make a large-scale push towards next IMD all men simply don’t show up for work. Not take the day off (because they’ll just replace them) but literally just don’t go into work. Make up an excuse or something or if you can get away with it just don’t call in at all and smooth it over the next day.

But like, just on a mass scale, all the Manosphere guys, TRPers, MRAs, MGTOWs, PUAs, and pushing it publically so that ANY man who feels like they aren’t appreciated for the work they do and just haven’t found those communities yet, all just walk out for ONE day.

Thousands of IT guys not showing up to keep servers running or fix computer problems for the HR chick who can’t check her Facebook at work, thousands of guys not showing up to haul garbage or handle sewage, thousands of guys not showing up to build/repair shit, thousands of guys not showing up to police the streets, thousands of guys not showing up to keep power plants and shit running, thousands of guys not driving cabs or subways or anything.

Just thousands of unappreciated men going AWOL ghost mode for ONE day, to remind everyone that yes, we SHOULD appreciate men and the work they do with their insane suicide rate and workplace death rate and the non-existent pay gap.

That would be amazing to me. And every year on IMD more and more men join the day that men don’t show up to keep society running. I wouldn’t even care if someone put their name on it like that porn chick who’s branded the Slut Walk…as long as it happens and reminds everyone, men and women, that what men do is important and the only reason society EXISTS.

It’s like coming home to your unappreciative wife with glitter on your neck…sometimes you gotta remind them that they’re lucky to have you.

…a guy can dream, can’t he? lol


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“Just as the tree of liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, so perhaps the field of gender power needs to be reset from time to time by brief returns to the elemental dark world.”

What I’d like to see is someone leverage all this feminist hate for International Men’s Day that just went around and had a bunch of articles going, to make a large-scale push towards next IMD all men simply don’t show up for work. Not take the day off (because they’ll just replace them) but literally just don’t go into work. Make up an excuse or something or if you can get away with it just don’t call in at all and smooth it over the next day.

But like, just on a mass scale, all the Manosphere guys, TRPers, MRAs, MGTOWs, PUAs, and pushing it publically so that ANY man who feels like they aren’t appreciated for the work they do and just haven’t found those communities yet, all just walk out for ONE day.

Thousands of IT guys not showing up to keep servers running or fix computer problems for the HR chick who can’t check her Facebook at work, thousands of guys not showing up to haul garbage or handle sewage, thousands of guys not showing up to build/repair shit, thousands of guys not showing up to police the streets, thousands of guys not showing up to keep power plants and shit running, thousands of guys not driving cabs or subways or anything.

Just thousands of unappreciated men going AWOL ghost mode for ONE day, to remind everyone that yes, we SHOULD appreciate men and the work they do with their insane suicide rate and workplace death rate and the non-existent pay gap.

That would be amazing to me. And every year on IMD more and more men join the day that men don’t show up to keep society running. I wouldn’t even care if someone put their name on it like that porn chick who’s branded the Slut Walk…as long as it happens and reminds everyone, men and women, that what men do is important and the only reason society EXISTS.

It’s like coming home to your unappreciative wife with glitter on your neck…sometimes you gotta remind them that they’re lucky to have you.

…a guy can dream, can’t he? lol


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“I think that YaReally’s invested in the basic racial assumptions as well and was doing a half-assed rationalization”

lol I’m just fucking around dude. I know a bunch of white guys who dance in various styles and get laid from it. But I don’t like to dance, don’t want to dance, don’t intend to learn how to dance, don’t need to dance, and my line is a good shit-test pass for when girls ask me why I’m not dancing lol

@Culum
“(Blueprint and SHIFT – PIMP I’ll probably finish before then)”

Shit’ll make you a beast lol I’ll probably listen to Blueprint over xmas, I like to revisit it every year or two because parts of it that had no relevance before suddenly do after I have more experience etc. Plus I just like how Tyler explains things since I have a robot brain.

“I don’t know if a BF existed somewhere else, but 100% not there in the club with her. I was 80% sure when I was talking to her, but 100% later”

Shit-test then. That’s why I push it just slightly one more step before backing off lol Nothing wrong with how you played it though, no chick is worth getting your ass kicked by some angry boyfriend and there are definitely chicks out there who get off on the “let’s you and him fight” thing.

“(as a side note, I didn’t connect it then, but yeah – she was one of the hottest 3-4 girls in the club and she stayed sober and left as things started to slide into drunkenness, even though this is far from a high-end social scene club”

It’s funny when you notice that hey? It took me years to pay attention to it but it’s pretty consistent. You’ll almost never see the gorgeous 10s wasted on the dance floor at last call, they come in a bit later than everyone else so there’s an audience for their magnificence, do some laps and mingle with high-value people like staff or guys with bottle service they know or who lure them over for a free drink etc, and leave when things start to get more chaotic and the chodes all get their liquid courage balls up and start feeling like they can approach them. And a lot of times those girls won’t talk to ANYONE because there aren’t bottle service guys that night or it’s not that type of venue or anything and no one will approach them because they all assume they’ll get shot down or have boyfriends.

A fun opener with those ones is to call that dynamic out and be like “I noticed you two earlier and haven’t seen a single guy come talk to you, what’s wrong with you guys why is everyone scared of you?” or tease them saying they look intimidating etc Usually they’ll be relieved and be like “omg I know!! We’re SO NICE!!! But no one will talk to us!!” It’s retardedly hilarious when you understand all the dynamics of why that happens…cause when they blow open like that everyone around you guys is like “holy shit that guy is a WIZARD”. Of course that’s when the other guys also start thinking “well if she likes THAT guy, she’s gonna love ME I’m way better looking than him” and the jackals start circling lol

“but sugar daddy dating had a similar golden age from around 2012-2014 and I was lucky to be doing it then when even lots of hot girls who weren’t hookers and gold diggers were on it. In 2015 and especially the last few months I’ve noticed a *dramatic* increase in the percentage of outright gold diggers wanting cash on their profiles – *far* fewer of the “I want a fun older guy to show me a good time” profiles that I used to see..”

This is interesting to hear because I’m not real familiar with the sugar daddy online dating scene but it sounds like it follows the same M.O. of every community: at first it’s unique and everyone on it is pretty hot and chill and having fun with it, and then all the “value-takers” find out about it through word of mouth and articles and shit and then they swarm in and take over and scare off everyone else.

Thing is cold approach will NEVER *NOT* be a useful skillset. There will NEVER be a time where chatting up a gorgeous girl in person, lasering her, flirting, spiking her emotions, escalating etc ISN’T attractive. Phone numbers, texting, online dating, Tinder, sugar daddy sites, whatever hologram/VR dating sites we have in the future, it’s all cool when it’s new and then fades out and can even become repulsive and low-value.

But cold-approach (direct and indirect) and social circle game will ALWAYS be attractive high-value behaviors and ALWAYS have other benefits that carry over into other aspects of your life (friendships, business, family, etc).

That’s why it’s kind of an eye-roll when I hit the kiddie bars because there’s all these guys who are way younger and better looking than me but they’ve never learned to cold approach, they rely on texting and Facebook social circle stuff and Tinder and OKCupid and everything where they don’t have to actively put their balls on the line, so they’re just not competition. If I stand around and do nothing, then ya, they’ll get them, but once I’m doing my thing it’s like, they just aren’t equipped to deal with competition or having to step up to get/keep the girl.

If I was a college-age dude, I would learn some Red Pill shit and run social circle game with some basic cold approach to merge girls at the bar into my social circle and just fucking DOMINATE my campus lol

“when I did an MM course weekend back in 2006, they actually helped you figure out personalized stories (contrary to what people think, it wasn’t “run the same routines all the time” thing at all)”

Ya Mystery flat-out says in his MM seminars that the routines are training wheels, learn the structure from them and then build your own personal ones, don’t be a bunch of little mini-Mystery clones running around. But people are lazy or don’t ever really look at the structure of his routines and focus on “the words he says are magic” and don’t want to come up with their own shit so they just keep using his.

“trying to run normal game in swingers clubs to see how it works in that environment”

I don’t imagine it would be difficult if you have standard game skills. Theoretically it’s just really receptive mixed sets and theoretically the guy the girl is with is already the Provider so they’re shopping for a Lover and game is designed to frame you AS the Lover.

But careful of the “my husband just wants to watch” trap where that turns out to be a lie lol And watch out for being drugged and shit, ya never know and I’m not real worried about being alone with a chick and her being able to do much but introduce a dude into it and it’s like I dunno I’d be watchin my back.

“although both quality and ratio of men/women is generally lower”

I hit up some fetish club scene stuff and found there was a significant amount of hideously ugly and old lol but they have their special identity being in the scene to make up for it in their minds. I was just like “ehhh, I can find a girl who wants to do most of this just at a normal bar and she’ll be hotter” lol Was disappointed, but the people themselves were all cool and chill and had some good laid-back attitudes about sex and relationships in general.


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“I think that YaReally’s invested in the basic racial assumptions as well and was doing a half-assed rationalization”

lol I’m just fucking around dude. I know a bunch of white guys who dance in various styles and get laid from it. But I don’t like to dance, don’t want to dance, don’t intend to learn how to dance, don’t need to dance, and my line is a good shit-test pass for when girls ask me why I’m not dancing lol

@Culum
“(Blueprint and SHIFT – PIMP I’ll probably finish before then)”

Shit’ll make you a beast lol I’ll probably listen to Blueprint over xmas, I like to revisit it every year or two because parts of it that had no relevance before suddenly do after I have more experience etc. Plus I just like how Tyler explains things since I have a robot brain.

“I don’t know if a BF existed somewhere else, but 100% not there in the club with her. I was 80% sure when I was talking to her, but 100% later”

Shit-test then. That’s why I push it just slightly one more step before backing off lol Nothing wrong with how you played it though, no chick is worth getting your ass kicked by some angry boyfriend and there are definitely chicks out there who get off on the “let’s you and him fight” thing.

“(as a side note, I didn’t connect it then, but yeah – she was one of the hottest 3-4 girls in the club and she stayed sober and left as things started to slide into drunkenness, even though this is far from a high-end social scene club”

It’s funny when you notice that hey? It took me years to pay attention to it but it’s pretty consistent. You’ll almost never see the gorgeous 10s wasted on the dance floor at last call, they come in a bit later than everyone else so there’s an audience for their magnificence, do some laps and mingle with high-value people like staff or guys with bottle service they know or who lure them over for a free drink etc, and leave when things start to get more chaotic and the chodes all get their liquid courage balls up and start feeling like they can approach them. And a lot of times those girls won’t talk to ANYONE because there aren’t bottle service guys that night or it’s not that type of venue or anything and no one will approach them because they all assume they’ll get shot down or have boyfriends.

A fun opener with those ones is to call that dynamic out and be like “I noticed you two earlier and haven’t seen a single guy come talk to you, what’s wrong with you guys why is everyone scared of you?” or tease them saying they look intimidating etc Usually they’ll be relieved and be like “omg I know!! We’re SO NICE!!! But no one will talk to us!!” It’s retardedly hilarious when you understand all the dynamics of why that happens…cause when they blow open like that everyone around you guys is like “holy shit that guy is a WIZARD”. Of course that’s when the other guys also start thinking “well if she likes THAT guy, she’s gonna love ME I’m way better looking than him” and the jackals start circling lol

“but sugar daddy dating had a similar golden age from around 2012-2014 and I was lucky to be doing it then when even lots of hot girls who weren’t hookers and gold diggers were on it. In 2015 and especially the last few months I’ve noticed a *dramatic* increase in the percentage of outright gold diggers wanting cash on their profiles – *far* fewer of the “I want a fun older guy to show me a good time” profiles that I used to see..”

This is interesting to hear because I’m not real familiar with the sugar daddy online dating scene but it sounds like it follows the same M.O. of every community: at first it’s unique and everyone on it is pretty hot and chill and having fun with it, and then all the “value-takers” find out about it through word of mouth and articles and shit and then they swarm in and take over and scare off everyone else.

Thing is cold approach will NEVER *NOT* be a useful skillset. There will NEVER be a time where chatting up a gorgeous girl in person, lasering her, flirting, spiking her emotions, escalating etc ISN’T attractive. Phone numbers, texting, online dating, Tinder, sugar daddy sites, whatever hologram/VR dating sites we have in the future, it’s all cool when it’s new and then fades out and can even become repulsive and low-value.

But cold-approach (direct and indirect) and social circle game will ALWAYS be attractive high-value behaviors and ALWAYS have other benefits that carry over into other aspects of your life (friendships, business, family, etc).

That’s why it’s kind of an eye-roll when I hit the kiddie bars because there’s all these guys who are way younger and better looking than me but they’ve never learned to cold approach, they rely on texting and Facebook social circle stuff and Tinder and OKCupid and everything where they don’t have to actively put their balls on the line, so they’re just not competition. If I stand around and do nothing, then ya, they’ll get them, but once I’m doing my thing it’s like, they just aren’t equipped to deal with competition or having to step up to get/keep the girl.

If I was a college-age dude, I would learn some Red Pill shit and run social circle game with some basic cold approach to merge girls at the bar into my social circle and just fucking DOMINATE my campus lol

“when I did an MM course weekend back in 2006, they actually helped you figure out personalized stories (contrary to what people think, it wasn’t “run the same routines all the time” thing at all)”

Ya Mystery flat-out says in his MM seminars that the routines are training wheels, learn the structure from them and then build your own personal ones, don’t be a bunch of little mini-Mystery clones running around. But people are lazy or don’t ever really look at the structure of his routines and focus on “the words he says are magic” and don’t want to come up with their own shit so they just keep using his.

“trying to run normal game in swingers clubs to see how it works in that environment”

I don’t imagine it would be difficult if you have standard game skills. Theoretically it’s just really receptive mixed sets and theoretically the guy the girl is with is already the Provider so they’re shopping for a Lover and game is designed to frame you AS the Lover.

But careful of the “my husband just wants to watch” trap where that turns out to be a lie lol And watch out for being drugged and shit, ya never know and I’m not real worried about being alone with a chick and her being able to do much but introduce a dude into it and it’s like I dunno I’d be watchin my back.

“although both quality and ratio of men/women is generally lower”

I hit up some fetish club scene stuff and found there was a significant amount of hideously ugly and old lol but they have their special identity being in the scene to make up for it in their minds. I was just like “ehhh, I can find a girl who wants to do most of this just at a normal bar and she’ll be hotter” lol Was disappointed, but the people themselves were all cool and chill and had some good laid-back attitudes about sex and relationships in general.


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“What are the traits of men, women are madly enslaved to? Is it confidence, is it strenght? NOPE. It is unpredictability, unstability, emotional COLDNESS, psychopathy!”
“We know that women like confident men because we observed that women fuck men like this. Athletes.”

And here we come to two different results because gregg isn’t entirely inaccurate that a lot of fucked up damaged dudes are catnip for girls (and not just damaged fucked up girls, hi madonna/whore complex) but asdgamer is also right. Whenever we get two different results we have to drill deeper to find the commonality.

It comes down to the guy having an emotional impact on the girl. It doesn’t matter whether you make her feel good or bad emotions (ideally you make her feel both at various times), all that matters is that you have emotional impact on her. The damaged basketcase hot & cold guy who treats her like a princess one minute then tells her to fuck off because his life is falling apart the next is giving her a full range of emotions. So is the super confident guy with his shit together who’s running push/pull on her.

The biggest thing no one will talk about because it sets guys on a bad path is how fucked up and falling apart your life can really BE and you can still attract and keep hot poon around. Ideally we want men to go the TRP route where they build their careers and hit the gym and don’t booze it up etc. But the reality is you can be a fucking MESS and still get hot girls, as long as you have emotional impact on them. It’s why chicks will whore themselves out for ugly pimps and go back to abusive relationships, and on the flip side it’s why they’ll leave dependable boring guys who give them an emotional flatline day to day.

Personally I think that in the old days a chick had a baby at an early enough age to fulfill her need for crazy emotional impact drama to keep her happy and not craving it, but these days since they don’t want kids till they’re 30+ they fill that voice with the cock carousel, cats, Eat Pray Love adventures, hundreds of hours of Netflix (shows/movies full of emotional ups and downs), fucking guys like me, etc.

But really all they’re doing is searching for that emotional rollercoaster that the guys around them aren’t giving them (stay tuned through the whole thing, esp Tyler’s fighting with the girl lol emotional impact):

@The Awakened One
That article makes it sound like those girls are an anomaly but they’re not. They’re probably 75% of hot <25yo girls these days, maybe more:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45437.html

Because realistically why WOULDN'T they? These guys don't want anything from them (except secretly they hope for it), these guys have tons of money to blow (or DON'T, which is even sadder), these guys GIVE them the rationalization of "oh don't worry I WANT to do this for you, it makes me happy to do nice things for you!!", and they don't even have to slut it up, they just give the guy a little shoutout "thanks to my fav <3 <3 xoxo" and that guy is on cloud 9. Most of these chicks have Amazon wishlists and shit full of stuff for guys to buy them. A chick can basically pay off her student loans or go on fancy vacations and shit (where the guy puts them up in a hotel and she doesn't even MEET him, he's just happy to make her happy) to just put up some selfies like everyone else does (nothing super sexual, so rationalization and plausable deniability "oh it's just a swimsuit shot it's not PORN jeeze").

And these girls with Instagram accounts etc have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of guys throwing this shit at them. Hang out with a hot girl and tell her to go on her Tinder and just match random guys and you'll see LITERALLY every single guy she matches has matched her (whereas a guy can match like 100 girls and only get a few matches out of it). She doesn't even match a lot of guys because there's no reason to, they're infinite, when she wants attention/sex she can just pick the one she wants and get laid. Done. I don't think guys can even wrap their heads around that level of abundance and this is pretty much any girl from a 6 to a 10, even some 5s if they take good MySpace angle pics or show some cleavage.

Still want to compete on the money angle? Break your back working overtime through your 20s so you can STILL be competing against guys who will just toss thousands of dollars and gifts at these chicks just for existing?

But hey maybe we can compete on the looks angle, 'cause all these guys are obviously disgusting trolls right? Gross internet online dating nerd loser neckbeards right?

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20957461_20967205,00.html

https://www.google.ca/search?q=tinder+shirtless&tbm=isch

lol. You gonna get jacked like Arnold to compete with these guys? And half of these guys have money and amazing careers ON TOP of their looks. Aw shit, now you'll never get laid!!

…unless you understand what girls ACTUALLY want. Ditch the online shit and go cold approach HOT women (the ones who appreciate the balls it takes to cold approach them and know most of these other guys are lame in the long-run and get clingy or beta, VS the 6/10 girls who are dazzled by them all) and learn to make an emotional impact on them and that same hot chick will ignore her phone flashing with texts from all these guys to interact with you because you're there, right in front of her, making her FEEL an emotional rollercoaster that makes her not even THINK about her phone, even if you're not as good looking or not as rich as these other dudes.

@Sun Wukong @scribblerg
"You can reinvent yourself utterly for a month."

Skip right to Month 2 'cause I assume you only have a month:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/12/#comment-heartiste-397072

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“What are the traits of men, women are madly enslaved to? Is it confidence, is it strenght? NOPE. It is unpredictability, unstability, emotional COLDNESS, psychopathy!”
“We know that women like confident men because we observed that women fuck men like this. Athletes.”

And here we come to two different results because gregg isn’t entirely inaccurate that a lot of fucked up damaged dudes are catnip for girls (and not just damaged fucked up girls, hi madonna/whore complex) but asdgamer is also right. Whenever we get two different results we have to drill deeper to find the commonality.

It comes down to the guy having an emotional impact on the girl. It doesn’t matter whether you make her feel good or bad emotions (ideally you make her feel both at various times), all that matters is that you have emotional impact on her. The damaged basketcase hot & cold guy who treats her like a princess one minute then tells her to fuck off because his life is falling apart the next is giving her a full range of emotions. So is the super confident guy with his shit together who’s running push/pull on her.

The biggest thing no one will talk about because it sets guys on a bad path is how fucked up and falling apart your life can really BE and you can still attract and keep hot poon around. Ideally we want men to go the TRP route where they build their careers and hit the gym and don’t booze it up etc. But the reality is you can be a fucking MESS and still get hot girls, as long as you have emotional impact on them. It’s why chicks will whore themselves out for ugly pimps and go back to abusive relationships, and on the flip side it’s why they’ll leave dependable boring guys who give them an emotional flatline day to day.

Personally I think that in the old days a chick had a baby at an early enough age to fulfill her need for crazy emotional impact drama to keep her happy and not craving it, but these days since they don’t want kids till they’re 30+ they fill that voice with the cock carousel, cats, Eat Pray Love adventures, hundreds of hours of Netflix (shows/movies full of emotional ups and downs), fucking guys like me, etc.

But really all they’re doing is searching for that emotional rollercoaster that the guys around them aren’t giving them (stay tuned through the whole thing, esp Tyler’s fighting with the girl lol emotional impact):

@The Awakened One
That article makes it sound like those girls are an anomaly but they’re not. They’re probably 75% of hot <25yo girls these days, maybe more:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45437.html

Because realistically why WOULDN'T they? These guys don't want anything from them (except secretly they hope for it), these guys have tons of money to blow (or DON'T, which is even sadder), these guys GIVE them the rationalization of "oh don't worry I WANT to do this for you, it makes me happy to do nice things for you!!", and they don't even have to slut it up, they just give the guy a little shoutout "thanks to my fav❤❤ xoxo" and that guy is on cloud 9. Most of these chicks have Amazon wishlists and shit full of stuff for guys to buy them. A chick can basically pay off her student loans or go on fancy vacations and shit (where the guy puts them up in a hotel and she doesn't even MEET him, he's just happy to make her happy) to just put up some selfies like everyone else does (nothing super sexual, so rationalization and plausable deniability "oh it's just a swimsuit shot it's not PORN jeeze").

And these girls with Instagram accounts etc have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of guys throwing this shit at them. Hang out with a hot girl and tell her to go on her Tinder and just match random guys and you'll see LITERALLY every single guy she matches has matched her (whereas a guy can match like 100 girls and only get a few matches out of it). She doesn't even match a lot of guys because there's no reason to, they're infinite, when she wants attention/sex she can just pick the one she wants and get laid. Done. I don't think guys can even wrap their heads around that level of abundance and this is pretty much any girl from a 6 to a 10, even some 5s if they take good MySpace angle pics or show some cleavage.

Still want to compete on the money angle? Break your back working overtime through your 20s so you can STILL be competing against guys who will just toss thousands of dollars and gifts at these chicks just for existing?

But hey maybe we can compete on the looks angle, 'cause all these guys are obviously disgusting trolls right? Gross internet online dating nerd loser neckbeards right?

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20957461_20967205,00.html

https://www.google.ca/search?q=tinder+shirtless&tbm=isch

lol. You gonna get jacked like Arnold to compete with these guys? And half of these guys have money and amazing careers ON TOP of their looks. Aw shit, now you'll never get laid!!

…unless you understand what girls ACTUALLY want. Ditch the online shit and go cold approach HOT women (the ones who appreciate the balls it takes to cold approach them and know most of these other guys are lame in the long-run and get clingy or beta, VS the 6/10 girls who are dazzled by them all) and learn to make an emotional impact on them and that same hot chick will ignore her phone flashing with texts from all these guys to interact with you because you're there, right in front of her, making her FEEL an emotional rollercoaster that makes her not even THINK about her phone, even if you're not as good looking or not as rich as these other dudes.

@Sun Wukong @scribblerg
"You can reinvent yourself utterly for a month."

Skip right to Month 2 'cause I assume you only have a month:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/12/#comment-heartiste-397072

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“I thought that this blog was about naked truth and not comfortable lies.”

To be honest I’m not sure why you’re getting pushback. I don’t LIKE giving the message to newbies that you can be completely fucked up and still slay hot girls, but it’s true.

It’s like no one here has hung out with a Natural who’s pretty much a piece of shit in most aspects of his life but is still fucking hot girls and having them pay his rent and buy him shit etc. They’re not that uncommon out there lol

It’s not something to aspire to, in that ideally we teach men to build up enough of this other stuff so that their Red Pill lives are sustainable (ie – become Charlie Sheen minus the money and you’re unlikely to live a long healthy life), but in sheer truth-bomb terms you don’t need most of this stuff to get or keep hot girls.

Confidence with women is the vital one (as in confidence to approach them and run all this shit on them and expect it to go well) but other types of confidence (business, climbing mount everest, gym gains, etc) really aren’t necessary to just get laid.

“So you are willing to do all that hard work, build yourself from the bottom up just to…fuck women?? You can pretty fuck them WITHOUT IT all!!!! If our goal is just to fuck women, hot women, do not waste time with positive masculinity, confidence, building yourself and other crap. Behave like women – go fucking out there, enjoy your time, socialize, enjoy yourself, observe and learn emotional manipulation.

The darker, the less responsible, the more calculating and manipulative you become, the better for this shit.”

Ya, I don’t disagree with any of this. I’d still prefer men learn to go about this the healthy way because just getting the girls is fun but if you don’t have that other stuff maintaining that lifestyle can get tougher. But in terms of sheer “pulling hot poon” none of it matters. I remember one guy in the PUA community who just travelled around living out of his van banging girls in it and shit as he drove around lol They don’t care about that stuff (unless they’re gauging your ability to be a Provider), just the emotions you give them.

Now a Don Draper might passively give them some default emotions as he walks through the room, which is cool, but it’s not necessary and you can dwarf those emotions with pro-active gaming and purposely causing more intense emotions, without having to be a CEO or buy a suit.

But the reality is a girl will be obsessed with a puppy, her girlfriends, some retarded Twilight character, some song she HAS to run out to the dance floor to dance to etc not because she wants to fuck all those things (although that’s debatable if you’ve read My Secret Garden and the followup lol) but because whatever has the most emotional impact on her takes up her Reticular Activating System in that moment and she gravitates towards it. If it happens to ALSO know how to sexually escalate, cool, time to get laid, but like, it’s not about masculinity.

There’s a reason if you ever hang around lesbian chicks who “convert” straight girls you’ll find they’re usually SUPER aggressive (way more than most guys really, guys can learn a thing or two from them lol) because they KNOW that if they spike the girl’s emotions off the charts and escalate and lead (so the chick falls into her frame) and handles a little LMR etc she’s probably going to fuck them whether that girl was thinking about “I want to fuck a girl” or not.

“If you want to build confidence, to perform, to be a better, confident, stronger man, perfect, its is manly, masculine to the core… but do it for yourself, not for a woman. It will help you in business, makes you more respectable in community, many good things. It will bring results I recommned it. But it will not give you the magic power over woman.”

It helps but it’s not necessary, when you get down to the brass tacks of how attraction works. So ya, I can’t really disagree with this.

“If you want both, mix it…confidence and strenght for the male world, emotional manipulation and games for females.”

This here is the message I would ideally promote though. And it’s why PUA/TRP/etc spills over into other areas of your life, because it teaches stuff that helps in the “male world”, and ultimately creates better well-rounded men.

But ya, you can throw a LOT of shit out of the window if you want to get down to legit “what’s the absolute bare minimum required to get laid by hot girls”.

But then, no one will believe it so it’s almost pointless to bring it up lol It’s hard enough convincing people looks and money don’t matter, let alone EVERYTHING except emotional impact.


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“I thought that this blog was about naked truth and not comfortable lies.”

To be honest I’m not sure why you’re getting pushback. I don’t LIKE giving the message to newbies that you can be completely fucked up and still slay hot girls, but it’s true.

It’s like no one here has hung out with a Natural who’s pretty much a piece of shit in most aspects of his life but is still fucking hot girls and having them pay his rent and buy him shit etc. They’re not that uncommon out there lol

It’s not something to aspire to, in that ideally we teach men to build up enough of this other stuff so that their Red Pill lives are sustainable (ie – become Charlie Sheen minus the money and you’re unlikely to live a long healthy life), but in sheer truth-bomb terms you don’t need most of this stuff to get or keep hot girls.

Confidence with women is the vital one (as in confidence to approach them and run all this shit on them and expect it to go well) but other types of confidence (business, climbing mount everest, gym gains, etc) really aren’t necessary to just get laid.

“So you are willing to do all that hard work, build yourself from the bottom up just to…fuck women?? You can pretty fuck them WITHOUT IT all!!!! If our goal is just to fuck women, hot women, do not waste time with positive masculinity, confidence, building yourself and other crap. Behave like women – go fucking out there, enjoy your time, socialize, enjoy yourself, observe and learn emotional manipulation.

The darker, the less responsible, the more calculating and manipulative you become, the better for this shit.”

Ya, I don’t disagree with any of this. I’d still prefer men learn to go about this the healthy way because just getting the girls is fun but if you don’t have that other stuff maintaining that lifestyle can get tougher. But in terms of sheer “pulling hot poon” none of it matters. I remember one guy in the PUA community who just travelled around living out of his van banging girls in it and shit as he drove around lol They don’t care about that stuff (unless they’re gauging your ability to be a Provider), just the emotions you give them.

Now a Don Draper might passively give them some default emotions as he walks through the room, which is cool, but it’s not necessary and you can dwarf those emotions with pro-active gaming and purposely causing more intense emotions, without having to be a CEO or buy a suit.

But the reality is a girl will be obsessed with a puppy, her girlfriends, some retarded Twilight character, some song she HAS to run out to the dance floor to dance to etc not because she wants to fuck all those things (although that’s debatable if you’ve read My Secret Garden and the followup lol) but because whatever has the most emotional impact on her takes up her Reticular Activating System in that moment and she gravitates towards it. If it happens to ALSO know how to sexually escalate, cool, time to get laid, but like, it’s not about masculinity.

There’s a reason if you ever hang around lesbian chicks who “convert” straight girls you’ll find they’re usually SUPER aggressive (way more than most guys really, guys can learn a thing or two from them lol) because they KNOW that if they spike the girl’s emotions off the charts and escalate and lead (so the chick falls into her frame) and handles a little LMR etc she’s probably going to fuck them whether that girl was thinking about “I want to fuck a girl” or not.

“If you want to build confidence, to perform, to be a better, confident, stronger man, perfect, its is manly, masculine to the core… but do it for yourself, not for a woman. It will help you in business, makes you more respectable in community, many good things. It will bring results I recommned it. But it will not give you the magic power over woman.”

It helps but it’s not necessary, when you get down to the brass tacks of how attraction works. So ya, I can’t really disagree with this.

“If you want both, mix it…confidence and strenght for the male world, emotional manipulation and games for females.”

This here is the message I would ideally promote though. And it’s why PUA/TRP/etc spills over into other areas of your life, because it teaches stuff that helps in the “male world”, and ultimately creates better well-rounded men.

But ya, you can throw a LOT of shit out of the window if you want to get down to legit “what’s the absolute bare minimum required to get laid by hot girls”.

But then, no one will believe it so it’s almost pointless to bring it up lol It’s hard enough convincing people looks and money don’t matter, let alone EVERYTHING except emotional impact.


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(plus most guys who don’t HAVE some of that other stuff handled (health, money, etc) don’t feel ENTITLED to approach and create emotional impact on hot girls, like even if they approach they feel like “I don’t deserve her, she wouldn’t want me”, so getting guys to handle their shit a bit helps build that “confidence with women” entitlement that allows them to do this stuff.

but if you COULD like, jump into a guy’s brain and deactivate the wiring that says “if you don’t have a 6-pack and money you should feel inadequate and unworthy” that social conditioning has built in it, so that he could walk up feeling entitled to throw emotions at hot girls, he would slay it with women)


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(plus most guys who don’t HAVE some of that other stuff handled (health, money, etc) don’t feel ENTITLED to approach and create emotional impact on hot girls, like even if they approach they feel like “I don’t deserve her, she wouldn’t want me”, so getting guys to handle their shit a bit helps build that “confidence with women” entitlement that allows them to do this stuff.

but if you COULD like, jump into a guy’s brain and deactivate the wiring that says “if you don’t have a 6-pack and money you should feel inadequate and unworthy” that social conditioning has built in it, so that he could walk up feeling entitled to throw emotions at hot girls, he would slay it with women)


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@gregg @doubtersOfGreggLol

7:25 into this vid Tyler talks about how you don’t need a balanced life:

Alex talking about it in-depth:

Dirty dark “secret” of pickup lol (if you ignore these videos and the mentions of this concept where it’s not really a secret, that is)

Like I say, it can have a lot of consequences down the road to go this route 100%, but it’s how shit works. This is why I keep stressing for guys to just go out. Because all the keyboard philosophizing and planning and reading and watching and lifting and businessing(? lol) etc is great but at the end of the day getting laid consistently by hot girls comes down to “are you infield, are you approaching hot girls, and are you giving them emotional impact?”


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@gregg @doubtersOfGreggLol

7:25 into this vid Tyler talks about how you don’t need a balanced life:

Alex talking about it in-depth:

Dirty dark “secret” of pickup lol (if you ignore these videos and the mentions of this concept where it’s not really a secret, that is)

Like I say, it can have a lot of consequences down the road to go this route 100%, but it’s how shit works. This is why I keep stressing for guys to just go out. Because all the keyboard philosophizing and planning and reading and watching and lifting and businessing(? lol) etc is great but at the end of the day getting laid consistently by hot girls comes down to “are you infield, are you approaching hot girls, and are you giving them emotional impact?”


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“Because this, “you can be completely fucked up and still slay hot girls,” is not what I’m pushing back at.”

lol I might be off on a random tangent then, I kind of only half-understand what he was trying to say and have no idea what he’s talking about with the slave stuff.


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“Because this, “you can be completely fucked up and still slay hot girls,” is not what I’m pushing back at.”

lol I might be off on a random tangent then, I kind of only half-understand what he was trying to say and have no idea what he’s talking about with the slave stuff.


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“Do women appreciate confidence? Is showing confidence a DHV? Lol. Where’s the other YaReally?”

Like I said: “Confidence with women is the vital one (as in confidence to approach them and run all this shit on them and expect it to go well) but other types of confidence (business, climbing mount everest, gym gains, etc) really aren’t necessary to just get laid.”


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@theasdgamer
“Do women appreciate confidence? Is showing confidence a DHV? Lol. Where’s the other YaReally?”

Like I said: “Confidence with women is the vital one (as in confidence to approach them and run all this shit on them and expect it to go well) but other types of confidence (business, climbing mount everest, gym gains, etc) really aren’t necessary to just get laid.”


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@redlight
“I don’t see why YaReally has to waste his time when these idiots show up.”

I almost wrote a reply and then was just like meh lol. This is why I write all those pages about the subject though, because so many guys are DYING to hamster rationalize everything into supporting their fucked up world view like this guy that if you give them even an inch they’ll use it as an excuse to stay Blue/Purple Pill and keep their victim complex because being able to blame not winning the lottery for why you’re not rich is a lot easier than admitting you just didn’t put in the work, time, and effort that other people did to get there.

New one, and one of my new favorites on the subject (though at 5:20 I would add “you run out of things to say and have bad body language, weak voice tonality, can’t hold eye-contact etc” for the Rational Male crowd which is what he means and PUAs know he means that but some of the guys here are more hellbent on the specifics lol so he means that you have bad subcomms, not just that you stop talking):

I’m mid-30s, chubby, dress in plain clothes (I wear a $10 t-shirt), have no money, and pulled a 21yo from a kiddie nightclub this weekend while sober (with the approval of her friend who left her there with me, also my girl bought me a drink and paid for our cab and was the one who told me “you’re coming over after right?” “we’re going to my place after” “I’m hungry…(aka extract me)” etc). Chick is a minor local social media celeb with a few hundred thousand followers, her phone was literally like 4 pages of new message notifications when she pulled it out to show me her pics and she doesn’t even read like 99% of them because it’s so normalized to her to be bombarded with validation now lol She was a cool chick though, a lot of down-to-earth Red Pill perspectives about her looks and minor fame and she volunteered the observation that her Likes mean nothing and was annoyed when she posted a pic and a huge flood of Likes instantly appeared because she’s feeling the pressure of everyone worshipping her and thinking she’s perfect and being stuck in a Yes Man bubble where no one will call her out when she’s misbehaving or wrong and all that psychological conflict that someone in that position suffers, and yet, as a chick she can’t help but keep taking note of her Likes because it’s still a little dopamine/validation hit. It’s like watching someone who’s addicted to heroin keep coming back to it even though they verbalize that they want to quit.

The world of the <25yo crowd has definitely changed since 2005 when I started in the game and it's notably affected their overall mindsets…they have an abundance mentality that's off the charts and has probably never existed in history on this large a scale. Got a lot of thoughts on this 2015 era and what it's doing and how to optimally game in it but I need to collect more data and compare experiences with other guys and shit before I say anything conclusive.

The TL;DR of my observations so far, for maximum odds for the average guy to get the 25yo crowd but it’s not as pronounced…ie – that 30+yo chick has at some point been cold approached so it’s not as magical special and she’s only had social media and texting for like 5-10 years, but a 21yo in 2015 has possibly literally never been competently cold-approached and feels like she just walked into a Ryan Gosling movie if it happens (again the chick from this weekend was complaining about how no one meets in person anymore everyone just has their head in their phones, which again goes back to what I was saying in that other thread:

http://therationalmale.com/2015/11/10/the-purple-pill/comment-page-2/#comment-127217

…about the really hot girls actually looking around the room receptive to being approached instead of burying their noses in their phones), and she’s been raised on social media and texting as a normalized part of her life so there seem to be differences.

I’m even noticing differences in their concepts of a Day2, ie – going for drinks in public incase you’re a murderer VS just immediately coming over to netflix & chill (which is insane and dangerous). A 30+yo chick knows that some guys could be psycho murderers and prefer meeting in public first because that’s what they grew up with, but these <25yo chicks seem to be cool with just going right over to a guy's apartment with no public day2 to hang out which blows my fucking mind but my theory so far is that it could be because they're so surrounded by asexual beta chodes in this feminized society who are scared to make any kind of a move that they literally aren't even afraid of being alone with a guy because they don't expect him to be any kind of a sexual threat (except for the psycho loud feminist minorities that see rape around every corner on Jezebel lol)…like guys are so pussy to make a move and that's all these girls have experienced so it's almost not even in their reality that going to a guy's apartment to "netflix & chill" isn't a smart idea, and I think that same thing has affected some other dynamics as well.

But again I need more data on this, a buddy and I are just seeing bits and pieces of a pattern and extrapolating based on logic right now as we try to get ahead of the curve and adapt our game to these changes. From what I can tell the stuff RSDJulien teaches is the forefront of banging the <25yo crowd right now, with RSDTyler a close second, which makes sense because they're the ones out there hammering it out every night around the world.

This seems like it will also have overall societal consequences because I think the 20% of men fuck 80% of the women divide is going to become more like 5% of the men fuck 95% of the women and that's going to create a lot more guys like Tim up above and we've seen the end result of that mindset. From what I'm seeing lately I literally have no idea how the average Blue Pill guy is getting laid in 2015, like the odds are stacked so hard against him because of social media if he doesn't make an effort to learn some game that I can't even imagine how he would pull it off except for just sheer blind luck of being in the right place at the right time.


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@whoever said this silly shit
“working in McDonald’s in the lowest grade position”

One of the original oldschool community lines was telling girls you work at taco bell and are hoping to be promoted to head fry chef or some shit, can’t remember it exactly. Any guy who thinks his job matters should spend 6-12 months sarging and telling girls he works in the lowest value job he can think of, to find out how little it matters. I purposely tell girls I do a very low value boring low-paying job just because it’s funny to me that they’ll fuck me despite that (plus it helps avoid being put in the Provider category, which results in them putting out faster because they generally treat a Lover and Provider differently).

In the PUA community we make guys go out without their safety nets once they get to like Intermediate/Advanced stage. Like if you’re attached to your hair looking nice, go out with it messy for a few months, if you have a pre-game routine like drinking and shit, go out without doing that routine for a few months, if you always mention your high-value job start telling girls you have a low-value job etc etc.

Destroying your comfort zones:

REAL value to women, and how to build it:


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btw the 21yo didn’t even ask my age. And I don’t look like I’m in my 20s lol I would stop going to this kiddie nightclub but I keep ending up making out with <25yo's there. An older man with a solid "oak tree" frame/dominance with a sexual undertone is a fantasy for most of them, especially being surrounded by weak-framed "squirrel" asexual younger guys all through their lives up till then.


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@Tim
I don’t understand what part of that would get you banned lol I agree with most of what you wrote and most of it is pretty obvious to anyone looking objectively at the world around us.

“Women haven’t gone amuck – they’re just doing what women do.”

This is really the crux of understanding the Red Pill and game. If you don’t tell a 5yo to not eat cookies for dinner, that 5yo is going to eat cookies for dinner. The 5yo isn’t malicious, they’re just a 5yo running on impulses with no one keeping them in check. The mistake is in expecting that 5yo to instinctively know not to eat cookies fro dinner and then being upset/disappointed when they eat them, let alone taking up a legal contract (marriage) and changing laws and the rest of society etc all based on the assumption that that 5yo will instinctively know not to eat cookies, even when half of the changes you make to society actually incentivize that 5yo TO eat cookies.

You’re still an edgelord with comments like “Hopefully, I get banned here, too.” tho lol you’re not some 13yo goth kid on an call of duty forum jesus.


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@CaveClown
“What does this 5% of men that will be banging the chicks look like? Is it still looks, money, game…pick two?”

What happens when women have thousands of options for looks and money at their fingertips? Those things lose their value. And even if they had value, do girls make a rational logical calculation before they get turned on, of “well this guy only has 6/10 game but he has 9/10 looks and 8/10 money that my final calculation is–” or do they just run with their tingle emotions in the moment when Blaximus flirts with them behind the McDonald’s counter or RSDTyler gets up in their face fucking with their emotions? Why did that 21yo ignore the dozens+ offers on her phone from men way better looking and richer and offering way more material value than me, to flirt with me and take me home? If she had logically calculated my overall value and compared it to even a quarter of the guys who messaged her that night alone, she’d have found a dozen better prospects than me. Hell even in that bar there were younger buffer richer taller guys than me…and yet who’s she buying a drink for and telling to come home with her?

It’s always going to come down to game (and taking action lol)

“If only 5% are in the game, won’t most chicks not get laid than? Are they really content with the social media validation instead of real flesh and blood men?”

Most chicks will all fuck the same guy (social proof, preselection, you know the drill) and the social media validation CAN be as good as banging a beta chode because she can at least believe in the fantasy that the social media validation is coming from higher value men than she’s around in real flesh and blood life.

“She told me that nobody really “dates” at all. She said some boys pursue girls, but most are “cheeto eating gamers” that don’t.”

This aligns with what I’m seeing in-field with the <25yo crowd. The boys have been neutered by feminism and passive distractions like videogames and shit, and the girls are wholly unimpressed with their peers and are very rarely even exposed to "alpha" and interestingly I'm finding they sometimes don't seem to consciously/forebrain know how to process running into "alpha" but their subconscious/hindbrain kicks in and takes over because IT'S like "holy shit FINALLY", so they have a little mental battle that goes on while they try to get both brains in alignment. Hard to describe but it takes the form of a lot of hot & cold followed by chasing, as their brain fights between being attracted and not being used to being attracted and the being attracted eventually winning.

"She said most of the girls have fooled around and had sex with one or two guys,"

lol

"but that only a few were “sluts” that did more than that, and only with the top guys. The top guys were not necessarily the jocks either, but usually the ones that had a “reputation” (not sure what she meant by that)"

She means the guys who fuck a lot of girls end up fucking more girls. You asked what that "5% of men look like", she's describing it. It ain't pretty for the other 95% of men.

"or access to weed. But, she stressed that they were not the weed “losers” either. She said there is classmates with college aged guys as fuck buddies."

College aged and above I'm sure. A few likely have sugar daddies or definitely will in college.

"She said 99% of the girls are bitchy and entitled, and think that men are not worth their time."

They're not necessarily bitchy because they're shitty people, but more because NO ONE will stop them from being bitchy and EVERYONE will enable and reward it…so why wouldn't they be bitchy? Especially when they're surrounded by boys who are basically worthless dirt or worse to them, because they're repulsively beta…do you step around every ant you see on the sidewalk? And, unfortunately, there are chicks who, Mean Girls style, happily embrace having worthless subjects to bully around and hamster rationalize that its okay to basically abuse betas because they're not really human to them. The glimpses I've seen of it are a little creepy sadistic to be honest lol (picture that experiment where the people torture others for science and rationalize it and some of them kind of take a sick pleasure in it)…but at the same time it's just a more extreme version of the same dynamic My Humps describes: "I say no but they keep givin, so I keep on takin" Would they do this stuff if the guys weren't so beta or if someone smacked them down for it like society used to?

This 21yo chick, when she wants food, just posts "I'm hungry for X" on her social media and inevitably within a few minutes some thirsty guy will take care of it for her and send her food delivery paid for etc. The guy doesn't even want sex (like, he does but he doesn't expect it and is just happy to do stuff for her) and she has thousands of these guys lined up to do stuff for her and they are DYING to do it for her and couch it in "oh no don't worry I LIKE doing nice things for a pretty girl ;)" etc.

Is she a bitch or are they creating the situation where she doesn't really have a reason not to do it? If a bunch of girls were throwing free offers of sex at you, how long would you resist before you went "well, okay if it'll make you happy I guess you can suck my dick, if you'll drive all the way over here and bring me a pizza because I'm too lazy to get out of bed" and they happily do it.

An interesting side note that I'm noticing is that the really young chicks I'm running into seem to assume "beta by default". Because they're so surrounded by beta chodes and have been the entire time growing up, that they assume my buddies and I will jump when they snap their fingers and shit like they're used to and they get mad when we don't because we aren't doing what we're "supposed" to like the other guys, and then they end up chasing but not understanding why they're chasing or how to chase because they've never had to do it or felt the desire to do it and it's literally confusing to them. It's fascinating to see.

"She doesn’t like the players, even though she says they excite her, but doesn’t feel she has another option besides the cheeto eating gamer guys, whom she likes as friends, but not more than that."

She'll have another option once she gets old enough to hit the bar scene. Guess who. ;)

Thanks for the intel, your convo with her confirms a lot of stuff I'm seeing infield and a lot of theories I have on why I'm seeing it.

@LM
"I’m having a hard time believing kids today are opting out of the f**k fest (can I say that here?) in favor Searching for meaningful companionship at the bars."

They're fucking the alphas and generally high-value males, and go to the bars because bars are basically huge stimulus floods for them and there's a chance they'll meet actual alpha males there since most of the betas are at home eating cheetohs and playing xbox on a Friday night. None of them are looking for "meaningful companionship" in 2015 lol Most of the girls I meet disqualify themselves from relationship potential before I can do it myself, like they're saying stuff that in 2005 my buddies and I had to say to try to get girls to not want more than just sex…but these girls are saying it like all they want is to get fucked. It's crazy, but makes my job a lot easier in that area.

"Besides Why is it now impossible to see someone as an equal human being but only want sex from them? Are the two mutually exclusive?"

"I’ll say this as gently as I can…you are her father. You may not be getting the whole story for obvious reasons. I’m not suggesting anything bad about her behavior at all, but I know that I can’t recall having any such conversations about the sexual hobbies of my peers with my dad."

lol take her phone from her out of the blue and look for Tinder, Snapchat, Instagram, her messaging apps, her Facebook inbox etc Really just befriend any 18-25yo girl (chat one up at the bar and joke around about social media and Tinder and thirsty guys etc) and get her to show you her Tinder matches, Snapchats, Instagram etc. Shit will blow your fuckin mind.


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@LM
“Men and women hook up without strings all the time and it’s celebrated,”

When did I say they don’t?

“and it’s not just the so called alpha males hooking up either.”

I never said it was.

“If you’ve read my comments you know I’m well aware that everyone is fucking around.”

I have no idea who you are. I just quoted some shit you said and responded to it.

“who is telling young men they have to be monogamous these days? Their parents, the church?”

Media, influenced by the FI.

“And do you seriously think they’re listening? All the evidence shows they are not.”

Do you think the majority of young men have control over how much sex they have? Or, as a woman who only sees the 20% as existing and the 80% not existing because of your solipsistic nature, do you think the 20% represent the whole? “The badboy jock who registers on my radar is getting laid all the time and not being monogamous so that means all men are like that!” “what about the nerds in the computer class?” “huh?? the…nerds…?? ……ERROR BAD FEELS DOES NOT COMPUTE END CONVERSATION YOURE BAD GO AWAY!!! ERROR ERROR ERROR”

Thank-you for dropping by to personally demonstrate the stuff we talk about here.


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@James
When people become rich/successful, they often begin to find value in philanthropy, charity, mentorship, etc, helping elevate other people to their level to share in their success.

If you don’t like the selection of pre-made alphas at your level (which is entirely understandable, a lot of them are douchebags), befriend some betas with decent basic qualities, and over time help them elevate themselves to your level but with a proper non-douchebag structure underneath.

Most of the alphas I’ve hung with are the ones with a variety of friends…in high school they bounced around from the jocks to the nerds to the loners/outsiders to the normal kids even to the staff at times, able to be the social connector between groups and find value in pretty much anyone (and more importantly help people find value in themselves) and have the frame to not care if they catch flak for it and, most of the time, make the people giving them flak for it feel retarded FOR giving them flak about being friends with people who are different.

It sounds woo-woo, but it can be as simple as an off-hand comment/question that includes them in a conversation and gives them a chance to shine, or a bit of praise for something well done, or an invite to an event. Like the guy who rounds everyone up in the office for a beer at the pub down the street after work on a Friday and makes sure to make the new guy at work feel invited and welcome. You don’t necessarily have to flat out teach them “look here’s some Red Pill knowledge”, even just leading by example or giving them the opportunity to lead themselves can start a growth process in them.

Does it directly benefit that alpha to do that? Not necessarily…it CAN, but then, that’s not really the point of philanthropy is it. ;)


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@James
Channing Tatum (in general, but his role in 21 Jump Street) is a great example of what I’m talking about:

At 4:25 in this (tho the whole clip is hilarious and worth a watch, they spike this girl’s emotions through the roof and bust on her a bunch and self-amuse etc (being high probably helped lol)):

Brad Pitt at to this first lady’s question:

He’s way less comfortable/natural around Brad Pitt but that’s ’cause he’s just closer buddies with Tatum, but the point is even a guy like Brad Pitt tries to elevate the guys around him and sees value in the people around him that don’t necessarily see that value in themselves.

Russell Brand makes basically everyone around him at all times (like at 40 seconds into this) feel special and he hands out genuine personalized compliments because he looks for the value in people, whether they realize they have it or not:

Do any of these guys HAVE to elevate Jonah or the nerds in that 21 Jump Street role? Does it directly benefit them? Not REALLY, they don’t NEED to do it…alpha CAN be a selfish dickish thing, but like, it doesn’t have to be. When you have your shit handled, elevate other people and inspire them to handle their shit too. Then you’ll have friends and peers that aren’t douchebags.


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@CaveClown
“An alpha man makes a big impression on women, but also a big impression on lesser men. Life altering in some instances.”

@Liz
“I just can’t help noticing how diverse this definition is, and how contentious it often is.”

And yet, having different opinions doesn’t prevent us from still discussing things, viewing things from eachother’s perspectives, and even being alright with reaching different conclusions based on our various life experiences. Weird, hey? It’d be a lot easier if someone would just tell us what to think.

@Fred Flange
Thanks for the snippet. Again it confirms the stuff I’m seeing infield in the <25yo range:

– there's no such thing as dating now, it's a foreign concept to these chicks…which makes day2 game almost pointless. It seems like the general M.O. is "go over to netflix & chill a few times and if there's chemistry then bang when the girl decides she wants to". This is nice in that it means no more day2s or spending money on booze and shit at a bar, but it also means hanging out with a girl for a couple hours at my/her apartment doing fuck and all instead of having sex which is like, 1) boring, I have other shit I could be doing that's more productive but then I'm mid-30s, the 16-25yo crowd has nothing to do but hang out, and 2) builds too much Comfort and will probably trigger them falling in love faster if they're looking for a relationship (which most aren't) or kill attraction by taking you out of the Lover frame and into the Provider frame if they're looking for a Lover, so I'm finding there are nuances to it…but it's definitely not like it was in 2005 where if a girl came over that meant she's there for sex and we both know it. It's kind of a surreal dynamic but seems to make sense to them in their world.

Their current strategy almost forces the guy to build more Comfort, but they don't realize that building that Comfort will reduce their value as a Lover and make them less attractive, so in a way the girls are kind of shooting themselves in the foot but have so much abundance they don't care. Best way to explain it is imagine you're surrounded by girls that want to fuck you but you make them all eat McDonald's for a year before you'll fuck them because that's just the norm now and they're happy to do it for the chance and you can screen them harder etc, and you may even really think at the start that you're going to fuck them someday…but the more McDonald's they eat the less attractive they get to you so that when you're finally comfortable with them they're no longer attractive to you…but that's okay because your Tinder just lit up and there are 50 more girls to take her place. It's a fascinating dynamic when you understand seduction and attraction

– because the boys are all super-thirsty, it seems like the girls basically have cock on demand and understand it…so these girls keep trying to "take charge" and determine the timeline of when we fuck because, in their experience in life so far, that's how it works, the boys orbit her and are grateful for any miniscule scrap of attention she gives them, even just allowing them to hang out and watch netflix and not get sex out of it and they happily come back for more, until she decides they're going to have sex and then she takes charge and the boys go along with it. This is weird compared to the old days where it's the man leading the interaction and determining the timeline etc. Again these are small patterns I'm noticing and I'm sure there are ways to counter it and steamroll over it etc, but it's interesting to see multiple girls pulling the same behaviors.

– boys can't cold approach and are basically huge pussies now, who hide behind social media and texting to interact with girls most of the time. This is alright in high-school where they're all locked in a school together, but when they all hit the bar scene those boys are going to be obliterated by older men because they're just not equipped to handle approaching girls and seducing them…most of the time they just end up making guys like me look BETTER because the girl is like "thank god, someone who isn't like the neutered boys I'm surrounded by all day" Hopefully some of those boys find the Red Pill but if they don't, we're in for a lot more Elliot Rogers. The FI has them fucking terrified to even think of women as sexual objects let alone competently treat them as such the way women WANT them to.

– <25yo girls don't seem to have much of a reference for "alpha" and don't recognize it immediately. It's like they instinctively try to get you to chase now, but if you don't they aren't bothered and will just move on because they have so many options and don't really realize that some options are better than others. But the interesting thing is that if you can get them live in-person, they instinctively react with attraction to alpha behavior and seem confused by it.

– the girls also don't seem to know how to seduce men anymore, because why would they? They don't HAVE to, they have hundreds of thirsty beta chodes chasing them that will snap to attention at any opportunity they get, so when you DO hook them it's hilarious because they're like, kind of inept/awkward about it. Like they want to hang out but don't know how to make it happen in a smooth way, kind of like an AFC, so they say/do weird shit or throw out weirdly see-thru invites but it's all couched in this neutral vibe like you read their texts and go "…is this her trying to get me to fuck her? wtf?" It's like they haven't had to learn to show interest/intent and "convince" a guy to fuck them, because of all the validation they're getting, so when they DO want to, they revert to AFC behavior.

– they're pretty much ALWAYS out in groups, BARE minimum 2 but usually 3+. I can't even remember the last time I've seen a girl at a bar solo in the <25yo range. And they are DAMN hard to separate from their friends now…it's like they all have to hold hands all night and can never separate or the world will end. This is a big contrast from the old days, esp when texting barely existed, where girls would just ditch their friends no fucks given to go on an adventure with some guy they're attracted to. It's like this weird…not co-dependent? Maybe that IS the word? I don't know but it's like, they're scared to be "independent" (ironically, with feminism and all). Not sure how to describe it, but like it's this weird clingy thing like they don't know what to do if they don't have a group consensus or all go with eachother. But I figure that's what leads to the whole netflix & chill attitude, they basically hang in groups and eventually by the end of the night it's down to just two people who finally hook up and they're all cool with this slow passive pace.

– I can't imagine how a lot of these boys are getting laid and I'm pretty sure they aren't, and are settling for validation from the girls in place of it. Like with enough long text convos with girls and long hangout nights with girls where something COULD happen, supplemented with easy-access internet porn, that almost seems to be enough for a lot of these boys. Like they think they're doing good if they can get that attention because at least it's attention…but the girls just like having the orbiter validation and don't want to fuck them.

There'll be counters to all of this stuff, and it might not even be hugely widescale yet but like, my buddy and I are noticing it because both of us have been gaming for years and watched this shift happen. I have no doubt we'll figure out how to work within this newer culture and dominate it but we're in a learning curve with it right now.

I even know a 23yo girl who in our first conversation flat out told me her plan is to fool around with random guys and focus on her career and then cash in with a beta bucks in her 30s and has one lined up already. Like, holy shit lol

@Rollo
"Roosh, and more than a few purple pill dating coaches are married to the game. Their financial solvency depends on pandering to the romantic insecurities of others. As a result they socially isolate themselves from learning opportunities that would help them develop mature understandings about women and men and what motivates them at different times of their lives."

This is why I don't just sell my shit and make a career out of that. The career I'm focusing on is 100% unrelated to anything I type here. That's WHY I can go out there and try new shit and fuck around and write about what I'm noticing infield instead of having to front and bluff or stick rigidly to a system with my name on it.

I think a big problem for Roosh is that he's never really challenged himself, he's always run away from challenge and looked for the easier way around it. Getting bitch-shields? Run away and find girls who don't shit-test. Need to step up your game in North America? Run off to Europe and Thailand. Girl doesn't txt you back right away? Next her instead of trying to find ways to get her to respond. Girl isn't immediately receptive to you when you approach? Next her and find one who is. Like, how could he really grow when he's always running away from the shit that would force him to?

It's basically the classic case of someone playing to not lose instead of playing to win.

@CaveClown
"Seems like blackdragon and the like are on the leading edge of accounting for that lack of monogamy in women, or redefining monogamy as the salon article implies."

No idea wtf redefining monogamy is, but the Blackdragon types are out there looking for solutions and as always we'll figure this shit out. Really my summary of pLTRs (check my archive) is the optimal route right now, all there is left to solve is how to pull off having and raising kids successfully in a pLTR arrangement. Unfortunately it's (obviously) a lot harder/slower to get those data points lol

@teddj4g
"I’m saying soon it will NOT be the norm to be sexually monogamous"

The 21yo I pulled this weekend went into rants about how humans aren't meant to be monogamous before I could get a word out of my rant that I used to have to use to convince them of that lol Monogamy is dead and will be replaced with open Hypergamy and cuckoldry from the women's side, and agreeing to those terms or learning pickup and creating pLTRs on the men's side.

I have no idea what all these things will lead to in terms of how society will look in 10-20 years but it's sure as shit going to look DIFFERENT.


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“So my point was: if like me a young man wants monogamy with an average woman, he may not find many takers. They may want to LTR him up, but if the expectation of sexual exclusivity is included in his offer, he’s gonna find that a difficult sell if she’s grown up with no such concept.”

This is what’s happening out there. Even if I WANTED a monoLTR with a <25yo girl it would be difficult to find a taker because they have been FULLY raised in the eat pray love FI mindset. A lot of them seem to view having a boyfriend as an INCONVENIENCE rather than a GOAL…but at the same time, that could be because they're surrounded by feminized beta chodes that they can't envision a monoLTR with, VS if like the guy from Twilight wanted a monoLTR with them they might be down for it.

It's kind of like if you were surrounded by fat chicks and the fatties were like "don't you want a monoLTR?" and you have seen ZERO girls above like a 4/10 your entire life, you'd be like "no fuck a monoLTR, if I have to fuck these fatties I'm at least not going to tie myself down to one because they're all going to get clingy and fatter and I'm going to need to bail on them the second an 8+/10 walks through the room and I have a shot with them"

"Which is why most men will check out, because of not being comfortable with “their woman” banging other guys."

Thus the huge push toward normalizing cuckoldry and the AF/BB system the last few years. We're smart enough and old enough to not fall for that, but is some 12yo boy who's picking up how the world works through TV because he has no dad (esp not an alpha one) to teach him and his single mom uses it to babysit him while she goes out and fucks guys like me?


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@theasdgamer
“I’ve observed a phenomenon and wondered if you had seen it, too. Two older girls, good friends, one of them (‘A’) throws the other (‘B’) at you and B isn’t all that excited about you, but A is. Maybe A thinks that B needs to be in a relationship and thinks that you are hot and a good match for B.”

Usually this means Girl A wants to fuck you but is taken or otherwise unable to, so she throws Girl B at you hoping that she’ll fuck you and she can live vicariously through Girl B’s experience the next day. It’s actually pretty common for girls to be happy for their friend to hook up with a high-value guy, like hearing all about it the next day and/or imagining what it’s like is almost as good to them as fucking the guy themselves. Unfortuantely when they throw the girl at you it can create ASD or the girl might just not be interested in general and then it’s awkward.

@Fred Flange
“Maybe the way over this speedbump is to work a new variant on game to break up the group, then create a chance to isolate and escalate.”

Ya that’s called Mystery Method lol That’s why I recently re-absorbed all the oldschool MM stuff, ’cause I predict Group Theory and being able to run mixed sets full of orbiters etc is going to be vital for landing the hot girls. Social circle game should work too, but it’s tricky to pull off social circle game when you have like 10+ years on the girls and their friends (I’m focused on the <25yo girls, not the 25+), like you either have to have social circles of younger people which can be daunting as an older guy, or somehow need an older crowd social circle to mingle with a younger crowd social circle and it's tough to find multiple older guys who aren't basically George Costanza.

"he’s reporting on the girls who actually GO to the club or bar. The New York Mag piece suggests there’s a great many more who don’t."

I'll be getting into daygame next year probably but ya, all my reports come from the nightclub/bar/pub/lounge scene. And the college scene, I'm in a university city and the VAST majority of girls who aren't ugly or socially retarded go out to the bars at SOME point…often the ones who aren't really the bar star type will just be dragged along by their friends because of peer pressure but stay relatively sober/shy or be the DD for the night etc.

"Maybe they do group clones and Snapchat Storying in dorm rooms, lounges, or coffee joints."

From what I can tell they do most of that at home. Why would they shower up and throw on clothes and makeup and shit just to go stare at their phone when they can do it from their bed.

"The chodes do likewise, Calling of Duty instead of Snapchat storyboarding."

This definitely happens. A huge number of boys have just checked out entirely because, well, what are their options? Become one of those evil manipulative PUAs? Follow the drill sergeants at the TRP telling them to lift when they just want to eat doritos and play xbox since Chad Thundercock will get the girls anyway? Plus they can Tinder or online date to interact with girls, nice and safe, no putting their egos on the line, and then rub one out to porn. I bet in the future we see a decrease in the number of boys at the bar and an increase in the number of girls, as more girls get jaded with the online dating stuff.

"If you are going to do any sexting, don’t use the university’s servers, the proctors will be watching you, use your phone as the hotspot and go outside the network…"

I'm not even going to get into how there's probably a retarded increase of selfie-taken child-porn out there now because of smartphones, like 14yo girls and shit. I don't even know how the law would deal with that. But like, almost every girl has a handful of sexy/naked selfies on her phone these days. I used to joke about it but now it's just normal par for the course.

"and be sure to save the threads to show it’s consensual in case you become subject to Room 101 interrogation."

Definitely do this. We advise a bunch of this. Take precautions and manage Buyer's Remorse. Buying her an Egg McMuffin for breakfast could keep you from being the next Mattress Girl victim.

"No forward greeting without a proper introduction. Daisy, I’d like you to meet Mr. Jay Gatsby…"

hmmm, I wonder if that would happen. A return to formal introductions and shit, to help weed out the betas. I haven't thought about that.

@teddj4g
"women tend to enjoy being “owned” by a man they perceives as high value"

and @hank holiday
"Very basic stuff. But it had such an effect on her I was thinking “Has any guy EVER hit on her well at all? I don’t think she’s ever experienced anything other than guys begging for her attention.”"

Agreed. I actually don't think either gender likes this situation that's forming out there, like I don't think these girls WANT to take the lead like they are, but they're so surrounded by betas that won't take the lead that they have no CHOICE. And they wouldn't know how to let a man take the lead even if they ran into him because it's so outside of their experience. I'm noticing that girls seem to freeze up when I escalate hard on the first meetup, like they weren't expecting to have sex at ALL they thought we were just going to netflix and chill, and normally if a girl freezes up and leaves without having sex it's like okay she just wasn't into me whatever so at first I was like well I guess I'll never hear from them again. But pretty consistently so far (only a few times at this point, need more data points but this was pretty much NEVER the case in the old days), a day or two later the girl will text like FULLY wanting to come over again or making an excuse for us to hang out etc.

It's like their brain is shellshocked by an alpha making actual moves on them because in their <25 years they've never experienced that before, they were expecting to hang out a few times and just beat around the bush with it until they decided to let the guy fuck them and that's what they're used to, so it's like they need to retreat and process what just happened, but instinctively their hindbrain loves it so they come back with twice as much interest in hanging out and experiencing that again.

In the old days chicks came over knowing we're probably going to fuck. It's like it's coming as a complete shock to them that when you come over to a guy's apartment he's going to make moves on you, because that never happens with the thousands of beta chodes that orbit them but won't make a move.

AGAIN I want to stress that a lot of this is keyboard jockey observation so far, I need way more data and to compare way more notes before I declare this shit all concrete, but I've seen enough consistency with it so far to perk my ears up and pay attention and look for patterns/explanations.

@lh
"The future “career” may be to be part of an “harem” at young age to get experience and later build one of your own to capitalize on it."

It's interesting because the way I'm starting to adjust my game is starting to look a lot like an oldschool HB10s game would look: much more passive waiting on the other side to initiate texts and hangouts, and just collecting a shitload of them to make up for having to wait around. Actually attempting to chase them seems to lump me in with their hundreds of thousands of social media follower orbiters, and yet if I don't make enough of an emotional impact on them (aka need moar Julien game) they won't bother initiating/chasing because they have access to literally thousands of guys 24/7 that are all way better looking have more money etc than me (which is also why I stress game, because even if you get looks and money you're just another guy in that huge herd of guys who all look as good and have as much money as you).

Personally I don't like it, I like pro-active game where I control when and who comes over and can schedule my week around it and like I say I think girls instinctively like it better that way too even if they've never experienced it before etc, but I'm just experimenting going with the flow right now to see where this rabbithole leads.

@CaveClown
"I’ve thought about how I would be with women if I end up single (or now as much as I can with the wife), and I guess that would be “I will be good to them for as long as they are good to me, and I will not compromise my frame, MPO, mission, or financials to do so”"

Congrats on handling your shit. And this attitude, ideally, is what more and more men will have in the future. That's why I say TRP/MRA/Manosphere/PUA/MGTOW, we all have the same end goal in common: men focusing on themselves, their happiness, and their mission, with properly screened women being allowed to tag along for the ride if they bring value to the table and 100% on the man's terms with no legal contracts or obligations etc.

@hank holiday
"So I think my gut was right there."

Ya, I'm getting a lot of bonus points for cold approaching, espeically with the really hot girls. My way of describing it is this:

There's two rooms, in the LEFT room the guys cold approach and in the RIGHT room everyone texts/social medias/tinders. Before online dating, women were all in the Left room and cold approach was abundant and women were jaded by it. Then online dating happened and all the hot girls went to the Right room because the guys cold approaching were lame and they hoped they'd meet higher quality men on this new online dating scene where they had all these options to screen guys out and shit. That's when I got into it and like, originally online dating was full of hot college chicks who just wanted to party and have fun and bang. Then all the lame guys in the Left room heard they can get laid by hot girls online just with some text messages instead of having to cold approach so they swarmed the Right room and scared off the hot girls…and then the ugly girls heard they could get laid by tons of guys in the Right room so they swarmed in and now online has become a wasteland of single moms and fatties and old chicks and damaged goods and shit.

Now those hot girls seem to have run back to the Left room, and everyone else is staying in the Right room because for the girls they have a ton of selection (lots of good-looking rich guys who are just scared to cold approach and will happily bang a 6) and the guys are getting laid enough without having to put their balls on the line doing scary cold approach, and it's like I walked by the doorway and noticed "hmm, there's all these hot girls in this other room." and walked in. And those girls are now jaded and bored by the texting and online dating scene and are either jonesing for an alpha who cold approaches them like they used to have, or if they're <25yo they're jonesing for that cold approach they see in Ryan Gosling movies and shit, because these girls inherently know, after getting swarmed by lame guys in that Right room, that the only guys that can really handle dating/fucking them and are actually attractive to them are the guys with the balls to come into that non-texting room and cold approach them.

That's the best way I can describe it so far lol It's at the point where I may just full out retire my text and day2 game, which were killer but seem either unneccessary (since they'll just come over instead of go on a day2 in public), obsolete (they set the schedule now because of their abundance), or value-lowering (texting ending up lumping me in with the thousands of orbiters texting her), in 2015.

"So it really does seem like no one ever says “no” to girls anymore, so when you do it really stands out."

This. I think it's why Julien's game is blowing girls' minds, a lot of his game is about disqualifying them and rejecting them. I'm going to be incorporating more of it into my style, I'm planning to try telling girls I can't give them my number and can't come home with them etc to see what happens (after DHV'ing hard and getting them to invest of course). Like right now I'm not initiating conversations with any girls in my phone, to see what happens if I just go radio silent on all of them and wait for them to initiate/invest. So far the ones that I had solid emotional impact with keep finding ways to initiate retarded pointless conversations (which I semi-ignore and cut short etc back to laconic style texting from the old days lol I'm thinking of throwing in a phone call, like when they text me just call them on voice and see what happens), and the ones where I didn't have much emotional impact just won't ever text me (even though before this they would respond almost immediately whenever I initiated texts).

"I’ve got some improv clubs I am going to go to"

Good stuff, I haven't gone to one before but a LOT of PUAs do them.

@redlight
"Owning a boyfriend or husband limits experiences. Even if they get married to have kids, after they popped out a couple, it’s Eat Pray Love to get back on that experience bandwagon. What PUA offers them is enjoyable experiences with no ownership."

I can't disagree with anything you said in that post. There seems to be, at least on the female side, a large focus on just "experiencing good feels", like their whole life is based around that which I mean, makes sense now that they all have their own income and thousands of orbiters on social media lined up to just hand them money and offer them experiences like vacations or driving their expensive cars or partying at their fancy rooftop condo etc etc We basically gave kids in a candy store and unlimited bank account and are surprised when they're not rationing themselves so their stomach isn't too full for a healthy dinner lol

@Forge the Sky
"As such, it’s just kind of a trivial nuisance that we need to define which system we’re using if there’s any ambiguity."

Ya, in the PUA community we don't really care about nailing down all these tiny nuances the Manosphere/Rollo are focused on…all we need guys to understand is that "some shit makes girls want to fuck you and some shit makes them repulsed by you" and that's enough to get them started learning how to be the Alpha Fucks lol We don't need definitions of Omegas or to really narrow down "is this behavior Alpha?? Did I revert to Beta for 6.4 minutes when I used this slightly different tonality? Am I still Alpha if another Alpha walks in??" Like, none of that really matters for teaching guys how to get their dicks wet, it's more an interesting discussion and knowledge-seeking thing (which I love, which is why I read this stuff).


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This is so cringy. Plz stop.


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@keyser Soze
“Woman A is a HB4 and she knows theadsgamer is a nut ,and she thinks her friend B who is HB3 is equal to Theaassgamer. As simple as that.”

lol I just diagnose based on the information I’m given in the Field Report. He said “B isn’t all that excited about you, but A is”, which, if that’s accurate, is likely the dynamic I described. If he’s misinterpreting that A is interested (which is entirely possible), and she’s actually not then ya it’s more likely what you described.

“And why the fuck are you here??”

To read your posts of course, I’m your biggest fan.

@rugby
“Everything he states is acute to the fucking point on what is happening in the NOW”

I just go out every week and hit up the <25yo crowd. Anyone here could do the same and would notice a lot of the same things. Game has certain core diamond concepts that are constant (like confidence is always attractive etc) but the execution of those concepts can require tweaking based on society (ie – what used to be a DHV to demonstrate confidence stopped being a DHV once everyone else started doing it and now DHV'ing confidence is doing the opposite of what you used to do). I'm as surprised by how things are shifting as anyone else, I cashed in huge with online dating stuff, just passively in the background always had girls on the go from it and it sharpened my text game up like crazy…and now those skillsets seem to be becoming obsolete in 2015 and I have to shift my focus back primarily to cold-approach and pulling Same Night Lays instead of grabbing numbers and going on Day2s. It's not that the latter won't still work at all, but like, inviting a 21yo out on a public Day2 seems to be way outside of her reality in 2015 and I try to focus on playing the optimal % odds.

Some guys will be like "whatever man, you're crazy, a 21yo still wants to go on a dinner date with an older man, it's a CLASSIC MOVE like in those 1940s movies boy was that the height of romance bla bla bla" and it's like is that based in actually going out on dinner dates with 21yo's or is that based on holding onto a "movie moment" mental image of how things SHOULD work? Really, I hope no one believes anything I say and goes out to field test it a bunch themselves. I'd love to come here and see a bunch of Field Reports from this upcoming weekend where everyone has approached a handful of <21yo hotties. That would be amazing and useful to learn from.

@Forge the Sky
"But to women, negative emotions are necessary information about their environment. They lap them up and aren’t really damaged by them (except in the extremes of course). Particularly when it comes to ‘abuse’ from an attractive man. That is the very light and animating power of all their passion. Without it, they never really feel that a man cares about them."

This is why RSDJulien's game works. He understands that "it doesn't matter if she loves me or hates me, as long as she's REACTING to me I know I have her" and that women want to experience a FULL range of emotions, not just GOOD emotions, in the same way we don't just go watch movies about happy people being happy and doing happy things with no conflict/negative emotions.

I would argue that Julien's game (which I originally thought was a little too over-the-top) is actually optimal for 2015 (not necessarily the exact things he's saying to them, but the concepts he's executing like focusing heavily on devalidation and making her invest VS focusing heavily on Comfort or finding commonalities etc) because with the FI brainwashing all the male peers of a hot <25yo have gone through, she so rarely experiences any kind of negative emotion (except when she watches Twilight etc) that when a guy can give those to her (along with smoothing it over, like the resolution in a good thriller movie) it stands out far more than it did in like, 2005 where boys were less feminized and girls didn't have literally hundreds of thousands of them of all age ranges, backgrounds, classes, looks, etc messaging her and chasing her and orbiting her 24/7 (literally from around the WORLD). As extreme as what Julien is doing is, what he does makes her forget about checking her phone and makes his name stand out from the herd when it pops up on her phone.

@NBTM
Rollo is just explaining how the dynamics work, relax.

@Rocket
"Next target is YaReally."

lol I was hoping.

"I decided to even the equation. How ? Throw money at it. I started seeing escorts and fucking hot women pretty much every week."

lol I mean, I don't think anyone would disagree that paying hookers will get you laid by hot girls. Should I be adding a disclaimer at the end of my posts that says "WARNING: You can skip all of this by just shelling out for a hooker!"? I figure that's common sense, it's the world's oldest profession and all that. Hell, you can actively become just like, a Jabba the Hut sloth and let yourself go entirely and still bang hookers, even smokin hot ones in Vegas if that's what you want, it's their job to still fuck you it's not like it's some secret cheat code lol

"advice that applies to the 1/2 of 1% who happens to a be a Frat-Boy age 24, still in college, never worked a day in his life … hitting on 21 yr old pussy. Yeah, REALLY … I’m talking to you and the RSD bullshit you push. For a late 20s man … none of the garbage you push means shit. Or a 30s man. Or a 40s man. Or a 50s man. Or any man who’s married or in an LTR. Which pretty much means ALL MEN OUT THERE."

Shit, do I txt the 21yo from this weekend and tell her that as a mid-30s man I can't fuck her anymore? And the guys in LTRs/marriages seeing results should just stop?

I think anyone who reads your posts and says to themselves "this is the type of guy I want to be" should absolutely follow your advice and I wish them the best and hope they end up as happy and well-adjusted as you seem to be.

"What you say offers us NOTHING."

Looks like we're even then lol

"To take your analogy further, give a 5yr old a loaded uzi and let her kill anyone who doesn’t agree with her. Like boys/men. Now stack the deck so that when she kills someone, she is NEVER held accountable. Yeah. Really. (pun). THAT IS HOW THE WORLD IS RIGHT NOW. 5 YR OLD”S WITH UZI’S POINTED AT THE HEADS OF MEN, WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY WHAT SO EVER."

lol I don't even disagree with this, but like, you sound overly frustrated. It's just how the world is right now. Be aware of it and take precautions to avoid putting yourself in situations where these dynamics can hurt you (like legally marrying a chick who's rewarded for divorcing you, focus on handling Buyer's Remorse so you can lower your chances of a False Rape Accusation (where she's again rewarded with attention/sympathy or at least not punished for it even if it's proven to be false etc).

"GOLD. Despite the bullshit you preach that 99% of men will find never applies to them … ever once in awhile, the truth slips out."

…go me?

"As for me, I recently got a sugar baby and gave up on escorts. Lots of women are eager to be an SB … its natural for a woman. Not quite a whore but she knows if the male is well off enough to PAY HER then he must be good enough to fuck. Last 7 weeks in a row and counting that I’ve fucked her twice a week. Yeah dudes, that’s I’ve had sex with a chick way younger than me nearly 20 times in a few months"

lol again like, I don't think anyone would disagree that you can just pay women to fuck you. The Sugar Baby thing is more common and out in the open than ever in 2015, lots of girls I've hooked up with have Sugar Daddies (sometimes multiple) because why WOULDN'T they? They don't usually have to do much for the guy since it's usually more like "dating sex" than just "I'm paying you to let me shove this cucumber up your vag" and it's an easier way to pay off their student loans and shit than actually working, and if they set up Instagram profiles etc they can attract high-value guys.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45437.html

And if you don't mind that other guys are banging your Sugar Baby for free, she's spending your money on them because she's actually attracted to them, and there's a good chance that without the money she would just bail on you because she's there more for the money than you, then go nuts and enjoy. You can take a helicopter up to the top of Mount Everest if you like too, no one would say that doesn't work, but some of us enjoy the things the climb builds in us and enjoy the view more when we sweat a bit getting to the top.

But nobody HAS to do what I say, I don't care what they do with their dicks lol They are free to choose their path just like you and I.


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@Forge the Sky
“I don’t even disagree with what you’re saying, it’s just weird that you’re trying to fight about it”

It’s always surreal to me how these guys go so randomly off the rails in their posts. Like it’s never a calm rational discussion it’s always this suddenly escalating “I disagree because such and such, so you can all hate me if you want but I just have to let you know that you’re full of shit and this other stuff you say is full of shit and ALSO SOCIETY IS THIS AND THAT AND WOMEN ARE THIS AND HOLDING AK47S TO MENS HEAD FUCK YOU AND FUCK EVERYTHING ARHRHGHGHGHGGHGGHH”

http://thinng.com/system/images/32366/original/thatescalatedquicklygif.png?1391614819

Like holy shit, you want to maybe wait for someone to respond to your points before you get worked up into a rage? It’s like watching someone have an argument with their own imagination and I just kind of stand back like “umm okay are you done now? Does it feel better to get that off your chest? Because I’m down for a discussion if you like and if you’d relax for a second and talk you’d find that I actually agree with a bunch of points you’re making, but it seems like you’re having fun just doing your thing yelling at the wall over there so I’mma just let you do it and you let me know when you’re done.” lol


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Figured these would be appreciated here lol:


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@Rollo
“FWIW, I’ve been shooting a brand commercial for the last 3 days. In that time I’ve had invitations to ‘party’ with at least half a dozen girls from the cast and about 7 extras. All were no less than HB8s on my very demanding scale, all were between 23 and 30. And 4 of them know I’m married.”

Life goal when I get my money/career handled is to have a condo in Vegas that I can spend parts of the year in for reasons like this lol I’m single, I can spend my money however foolishly I want. :D

@Andy
“Strange that it works though in this day in age where a mid thirties Mom can find a jacked 25 year old dude on Tinder in 15 minutes…”

Because ultimately most women don’t WANT variety, they want the top dog (Hypergamy). By being willing to leave, you’re showing that you’re high-value because a guy who’s scared to leave is a guy in scarcity who NEEDS her. And depending on her history and social influences she may be aware that a lot of those jacked 25yo dudes are good to look at but their subcomms are all beta chode shit compared to the guy who’s willing to burn their lives to the ground if she doesn’t lose some weight.

@Dutchman @Andy
“I wonder if “I want a divorce game” really does work like gangbusters across the board”
“I wonder if overt dread is really such a bad thing. What’s the argument against overt dread anyway?”

It’s not the action itself, it’s how much value you have to her when you do it. If a fat chick tells you she’s going to leave you, you say lol who fucking cares please do I can replace you with better tomorrow. But if your dream girl 10 tells you she’s going to leave you you shit bricks. Their action is the same, it’s their relative value in your eyes that makes that action have impact.

Usually the guys who drop flat out ultimatums are doing it from scarcity and low-value so it blows up in their face. But like CaveClown and ted have said (and like Rollo does passively when he attends events full of hot models that wanna bang him), there’s an art to making it known that you’ll walk because a guy who really IS high-value with abundant options doesn’t NEED to make a big deal of it, he can just shrug and disapprovingly slowly shake his head at his wife when she does something retarded and walk away and she can read into that.

You’ll find that often the success stories with the divorce ultimatum are the guys who discover the RP and start implementing the proper attitudes and mindsets and start hitting the gym to indicate like “hey I’m preparing to be back out on the market” etc, and THEN they drop the ultimatum, but they’ve already started raising their value so the ultimatum can work VS if they did it when they’re in a place of low value and scarcity.

I’m a big fan of using stuff like “it’s totally up to you, I just know what I like. I wouldn’t want you to do anything you don’t WANT to do, but I like girls who X. If you don’t want to X that’s totally fine, I’m sure we’ll both end up happy and I’m sure there are lots of guys out there who don’t care about X who would appreciate you without it and you probably SHOULD be with them instead of me anyway” etc etc when we get to the part where I’m setting the frame of what I expect from fuckbuddies (they have to doll themselves up and be fun and not bring me drama etc).

@CaveClown
Like a goddamn boss. I wish more guys entering marriages were as forward-thinking of you. “Hope for the best, plan for the worst”. They would save themselves getting blindsided and fucked over. And if they DON’T ever have to use it, then that’s awesome, but if the situation comes up I wish they were all as prepared as you are and, if I decided to settle into a pLTR because I wanted kids etc, I would be doing similar stuff from Day 1. Society will convince a guy he’s “bad” if he doesn’t “trust” his wife, like don’t get a prenup don’t you trust TRUE LOVE??? and make him feel like a monster. But those are the guys who don’t understand what 2015 divorce and family court are like and get raped and don’t get to see their kids etc. Bravo on all your precaution-taking.

@teddj4g
“In fact, if I was a young man facing down marriage, I’d be sure to clearly state up front what the divorce criteria are.”

The problem is most guys will talk a big game like that, but then once they settle INTO a marriage they let themselves go. They get fat, lazy, lose their ambition and drive, stop hanging out with their male buddies, stop going out and interacting with other women and lose their ability to flirt etc, and fall into massive scarcity. Then when the girl shit-tests to make sure she’s still married to the alpha she settled with, he starts failing little tests, like now he reacts to stuff he didn’t used to react to, which makes her test harder, which starts a chain of events that lead to her KNOWING he won’t leave her and that’s where shit hits the fan. A guy should have guy-friends and boys nights, flirt with waitresses, vanish for a couple days for work here and there etc. even when he’s married. A weekend business trip in Vegas where his phone reception “doesn’t work” could do wonders in re-stoking attraction for a guy with RP knowledge lol

“I honestly can’t imagine having to manage more than one woman’s emotional state. I suppose in a pLTR you’re probably only living with one, but you still have to interact with the rest.”

You don’t manage them. They manage themselves to be allowed to be a part of your life. The pLTR is the only one who really gets your full attention, the other girls you make the ground rules clear (like don’t bring me drama) and if they try to break those rules they get a freezeout until they smarten up and are allowed to come back. If I say “don’t talk shit about my girlfriend” to some Secondary who thinks she’s got me hooked enough to become my Primary and fuck my whole situation up, and she continues to be a brat then she gets a freezeout for a couple weeks. If she keeps breaking my rules, she’s out entirely and replaced with a new girl, but usually they’ll smarten up after you hold your frame a couple times. There’s no compromise or managing her emotions because you have enough girls on the go and/or have the skills to get new girls that you don’t have to deal with that shit lol In a marriage if your wife is sad you better make her UN-sad before she goes eat pray love on you and fucks your life over, THAT seems way more scary to me than telling a fuckbuddy who shows up drunk to go home and sober up and come over sober next time.

@CaveClown
“Which is exactly where this 5’8″ guy’s sexual scarcity mindset comes from. I just don’t feel like I can compete. I feel like an alpha in a beta body. ”

It absolutely wouldn’t be easy. Beliefs like that would have to be rewired (if YOU don’t think you’re attractive why would THEY?) just to get going. But, if you absolutely had to, you could do it. Ideally you can make your current situation work though.

@teddj4g
“I assume a mans desire for variety is on a curve, but I find it fascinating that most men crave variety so strongly when it comes to sexual partners.”

I can only speak for myself but I blame porn lol Since I was a hermit nerd till my early 20s I was porning it up all through my teens and the amount of variety you get used to is just like, why wouldn’t I want that in my day to day if I have the skills TO get it? It’s not really any extra work…I mean, I look at half my buddies in LTRs and the amount of drama and bullshit and juggling acts they go through when things are rocky and I think “I just go out and flirt with cute girls in my spare time and we bone and if they’re cool I see them again and if not I get another one” and can’t IMAGINE doing that much work and going through that much “this guy keeps writing on her Facebook and she says it doesn’t mean anything but I KNOW he’s trying to fuck her and why doesn’t she Block him and now she thinks I’m jealous and he’s going to be at her office xmas party and she’s buying a sexy dress and I KNOW he’s going to be trying to–” etc etc for the same aging vag he’s banged a thousand times lol There are points where I’m literally thinking “These guys are putting in as much or MORE work than I am, to keep their shitty LTRs afloat and get laid by their fucking GFS/WIVES who’s JOB it is to put out, they could put in like half the effort and have other girls I can’t wrap my head around why they’re beating their head against the wall to get their now-chubby aged wife to suck their dick when half the girls in the bar would love the chance to do it lol” To me he could go have a handful of girls on the go and have variety and way less drama and frustration and just enjoy the New Relationship Energy mode (where girls are on their best behavior and putting the most effort in) from hot girl to hot girl.

It’s not even just the sex for me, it’s the personalities and shit too. I LIKE hanging out with the badass wild rocker girl who likes to go on adventures, the sweet innocent girl next door redhead who cooks for me, the dolled up shallow blonde who looks good on my arm but I can’t listen to her yap lol, the crazy in bed brunette hipster girl who seems shy and quiet in public, etc etc I don’t want any one of those girls to be around me 24/7 for the rest of my life to the exclusion of every other girl. I love having all of them in my life for various lengths of time.

“And maybe it’s that disposition that leads me to LTRs over other options.”

There’s also the nuances of the whole Pleasure of Sex VS Thrill of the Hunt guys. I’m a Thrill of the Hunt type but I have buddies who are Pleasure of Sex types. Neither is really better/worse, it’s individual tastes:

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2541-Thrill-of-the-Hunt-men-vs-Pleasure-of-Sex-men

@agent p @teddj4g
“wigs and role play man, can go a fair way to satisfying a drive for variety”
“I crave variety and simply found ways to get it from the same woman”

lol I’ve told girls I need a hairdresser (they change their hair all the time) who likes costumes in bed (for roleplaying variety) to settle down with. It’s not quite the same, but it would give a girl an edge at keeping me interested and not needing to have other girls on the side.

“Hell, once or twice the wife and I have gone into a bar separately just so I can “pick her up” for a one night stand. Lol”

I do this with fuckbuddies lol chicks love that shit

@Rollo
“I learned an interesting lesson on this set: women love dominance, that’s pretty much a maxim in TRP, but women get tingles from being directed by a dominant man. Women love to see a dominant man being obeyed (even if just casually) by other men in an endeavor, and they love to see other women follow his direction, but they tingle like nothing else for a man who directs them personally after having others follow his direction.”

Classic Mystery Method. :) Preselection, Leader of Men, Protector of Loved Ones, Willingness to Emote, and Successful Risk Taker were Mystery’s original 5 switches. When you’re doing your job you’re flipping bare minimum Preselection, Leader of Men, Willingness to Emote, and Successful Risk Taker.

And a big part of Julien’s game is leading hardcore. Everything he says is commanding and dominant. “Come. Now. Here. Let’s go. Your friends are fine, come. Now. Two seconds. We’ll be right back. COME. Now.” and he just plows through any resistance with his dominant commanding tonality/frame and the girls melt because they WANT someone steering the ship (congruently).

@teddj4g
“Your point is very interesting though. Wonder how many guys with ED are married with your inclination for variety? (Not counting the guys stuck with land whales here. Every man has a boner threshold…)”

I would bet a LOT. From the way older PUAs/Naturals talk, where they clearly have no boner problems banging college chicks and shit, I’m pretty convinced that ED, since it’s mostly mental, is more about boredom or lack of attraction and is basically just a way for society to blame the man so the woman can’t be blamed. “Your wife isn’t attractive to you? It’s YOUR fault, you have ED!! Better fix it so you can stick it in this girl that isn’t as hot to you as she was when you started dating (whether because she let herself go or you liked variety and didn’t realize it)”.

I think there are VERY few men who would turn down a busload of no-strings attached high-quality 21yo cheerleaders who are sweet and friendly and not crazy drama and are begging to suck his dick…it’s just that 99% of guys can’t envision a way to have that kind of opportunity or they view it as too unrealistic (ie – they say “a busload of cheerleaders? they’ll probably be bitchy or not be quality baby mama material so no I wouldn’t want them”, that’s why I stress girls who are high quality and sweet and shit in my example lol), so they settle down out of scarcity into relationships with women that don’t really rev them up long-term or have stopped revving them up, and now they’re in a doctor’s office getting pills to get their dick hard when they probably don’t have any problem getting hard at a stripclub with a 21yo hottie grinding on them.

I doubt there are many men who wouldn’t want their GF/wife to turn back into her hot fun young 21yo self (at least looks-wise) if that was an option lol

But hey I’m shallow, I would have partied with the Vegas commercial girls and left my wife at home planning her divorce-rape when I came back home with glitter on my dick in the morning. :D


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“YaReally – so with a pLTR you only manage the P and let the rest fend for themselves?”

More or less. You have your Primary that gets the full girlfriend experience and Provider benefits and the Secondaries are a level below that (less special perks but more than the next level of girls, these are basically your regular/causal fuckbuddies who get no Provider benefits) and below that are the Tertiary girls who are basically randoms, One Night Stands, and rare fuckbuddies or fuckbuddies you don’t like much lol

“I’m a bit at a loss as to what’s in it for the extra girls outside of sex and attention.”

Get some popcorn and prepare for a mind-fuck:

https://vid.me/5H4u/the-great-happiness-space

(also note the sick body language of the guy in the black suit on the white couch near the start, his subcomms are killer, rare to see that kind of body language, slow movements and speaking, etc from asian dudes in North America…but also note that the head guy that makes the most money is more expressive and shows a full range of emotions instead of just the James Bond vibe, which again goes back to Mystery’s “willingness to emote”, he has a wider appeal than the chill guy and has more emotional impact when he interacts with girls)

Pay attention specifically to 40:00 in where he talks about how girls will work as prostitutes (the funniest shit is the girl who doesn’t want to sleep with him because she wants him to not think she’s “that kind of girl” lol hoping he’ll fall in love first, different culture exact same wiring) just to be able to afford to be with him even if they don’t have sex. That’s a mind-fuck to the Blue Pill mindset. These girls are happy to just be around these guys because these guys give them the emotional rollercoasters they need…most of it is good emotions but at 20:00 they talk about how they also make sure to scold the girls and give them life advice and shit, they build DEEP Comfort/Rapport that keeps them hooked even without sex.

We had a PUA in the community who went to Japan and worked in one of these clubs for a while and wrote reports and stuff about it. The big downside is the boozing lol, this documentary ends on a depressing note, but these guys are trapped in a vicious system for money…ideally a guy studying PUA will learn to do all of this same stuff sober and keep it a managable part of his life etc. These guys are basically the extreme version of the Red Pill. Buddy on the other page was bragging about paying hookers for sex, the hookers that guy is paying go to skinny little guys like this with mangled teeth to pay them $10,000 just to TALK to them lol That’s some Red Pill understanding of chick-brains right there.

Anyway, my point is the non-Primary girls get all sorts of value out of the arrangement…but it’s because I understand what IS “value” to them, and it’s not being able to buy them gifts and shit. Hell, it isn’t even FUCKING them necessarily…it’s being able to give them the full range of emotions and hard emotional impact that other guys don’t give them. A Rubick’s Cube doesn’t suck your dick, but you’ll still pay $20 for it and spend months with it on your desk trying to solve it lol

“Do they often snag beta BFs as well to get the BB needs met?”

The Primary won’t because you are her BF (and to avoid triggering ASD and social pressure that would fuck things up you let her call you her Boyfriend and stuff, to anyone looking from the outside you have a normal BF/GF relationship and it’s your job to keep social pressure off her about it because she’ll be fine with it until people start to pressure her about it because it doesn’t fit their Blue Pill thinking). The Secondaries will often start falling for you (ideally you follow the rules of not seeing them too frequently and not doing date-like things with them etc to stall this process) and start craving Provider/BB from you but you just hold your frame and they know about your Primary and know SHE gets your Provider/BB and that they can’t get it from you, so they’ll either give you the Ultimatum (the guys in that documentary have the same problem you can see them getting Ultimatum’ed by girls and shit but they have to keep the girl coming back for more despite that whereas I’ll just let them go) which is rare because they know you have a Primary and won’t cave and the Ultimatum is drama that might make you cut them off for good, or they’ll just suddenly start not being able to hang out because they’ve found a Provider BB guy that they’ll try dating for a bit…I just let them go and try it. If that’s what they want I hope it DOES work out for them…but the VAST majority of the time they’ll find the other guy and “normal” dating boring and come back within a few months or a couple years and accept a Secondary role again until they get another chance to try finding a boyfriend. And of course some of them will get a boyfriend and still see me as a Secondary because then they get the best of both worlds but some girls feel guilty doing that and try to stick to serial monogamy.

“And brother, your description of the married man gone soft hit very close to home. In most ways thats how I ended up divorced. My dumb ass believed I was supposed to “settle down” and do the family man thing. I dropped my friends, quit gigging, got fat and lazy. Plus, as the marriage got worse, so did I.”

It’s VERY common. Most of the guys on deadbedrooms are there because they did the same thing. What I like about the pLTR arrangement is that it forces the MAN to keep his game skills, maintain his male friendships for going out or meeting social circle girls, keep his looks handled and his ambition/drive etc because a lot of girls won’t want to BE his Secondary if he’s the guy you turned into when you “settled down”. Like if you want to have some HB8 happily banging you as a Secondary, you better have your shit together in terms of game lol

@Seraph
“I guess my point is the difference between knowledge and mindset is HUGE. I realize that, again, if I had the right mindset I would simply go with the optimistic take”

Yup, that’s why I stress going out. Can’t read your way into the mindsets. You have to go out and have these experiences, shitloads of them, until you develop them internally. Just like you can’t learn to play the guitar by reading…you can get a good jump start and learn some useful shit, but you still have to pick up that guitar and start strumming your fingers, you’re not going to read a books on guitar playing for years and then walk out on stage at a concert holding a guitar for the first time in 10 years and rock out.

But if you go out enough and have enough of these experiences to internalize it, you’re playing the guitar as effortlessly as Hendrix.

@Klem
Glad to hear it. I hope everyone vanishes from all these comment sections because they’re too busy getting out there applying this stuff lol


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“I walked the earth for over 30 years with not a single fuck given by me about my height. Now I can’t get it out my head.”

It’s so absurd to me because you’re not even short lol I’m 5’9″ and my main wingman right now is 5’8″ and I’ve gone out with the gamut of heights from 5’2″ to like 6’8″ or some shit (dude was retardedly tall).

Tall guys have all sorts of problems infield too, from it being awkward to talk to girls having to bend down and hunch over a bunch, to not being able to “hide” (just got blown out? EVERYONE saw you ’cause you’re the tallest thing in the room…the short guy can scurry off into the crowd to lick his wounds and know nobody saw him get blown out lol), to it being awkward to kiss a girl who’s too short, and lots of internal issues like imposter syndrome and shit because everyone EXPECTS them to get girls and be badass alphas since they’re tall but if they feel self-conscious like they feel gangly in their body instead of comfortable that can all fuck with their head etc etc

I’ve been with girls taller than me and shorter than me, I prefer shorter personally (I like being able to toss them around the bedroom and when their head is resting on my chest and shit) but the tall ones liked me because I didn’t view myself as short and didn’t have a chip on my shoulder or anything. Doesn’t mean all tall girls will like me, but it makes a significant difference when you just don’t care about being shorter than them. The funniest is the tall girls who like you and then take off their heels trying to be non-chalant about it because they feel self-conscious being tall like they’re worried you won’t approve of them because they’re tall lol Like no, leave the heels on, they make your legs look hot, you’ll be horizontal as soon as I get you alone anyway.


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@Balls
Thanks for the data points. There’s always the worry of like “hmm maybe I’m just getting too old, maybe my game is just getting shitty” and of course there’s always a handful of guys lined up to say “BRO IF YOU HAD A 6-PACK SHE WOULDN’T FLAKE” (ignoring that she’s flaking on TONS of good-looking rich dudes chasing her offering her free dinners and shit lol) but my buddy is running into this as well and it looks like the RSD guys are too, and you etc etc so while we need way more data points to come to any real conclusions, I think it’s reasonable to start looking at tweaking shit to deal with these new scenarios. Like I say the 26+yo’s seem to still mostly follow the standard script (except the ones who are heavily submersed in Tinder/Instagram culture who start acting like the <25yo's which is just absurd because like, you're OLD what are you doing lol), but the <25yo crowd's dynamics are way different than 2005.

Pre-cell phones even the chodiest of betas had to man up and eventually approach his crush to ask her out…now he can just asexually add her to Facebook for a school project and then Like her pics and write compliments under them for a year hoping that she decides she likes him. And she has hundreds of thousands of other guys all attempting the same approach…that HAS to fuck with some dynamics, and that's why we go OUT and use the data of the guys on the frontlines and explore it ourselves to try to figure out what's going on and how best to adapt our game optimally. Some stuff stays core diamond principles, like confidence is always attractive, but her environment can make it more difficult to display that confidence or for her to NOTICE that confidence (like when you're just one text out of 50 that she wakes up to) and we need to adjust to the environment and figure out how to display that confidence in a way that she can't ignore (ie – pushing harder in the initial interaction instead of taking a safe phone number and shooting for the Day2).

Your descriptions are pretty similar to what I'm running into. They're very clearly attracted, it's not like I don't know what THAT looks like and can't spot fake iois and shit. But they don't seem to know how to process it and need time to adjust, then decide they LIKE it and chase. It's like if everyone has been super nice to you your whole life and you've never been in a fight or experienced any kind of aggression, and then 20 years of that later someone just punches you in the face…you don't instinctively start scrapping with them like the guy who grew up getting into fights, you freeze up and need to process wtf just happened because you've never experienced that before and don't even know what to do with all these angry/adrenaline/etc feelings coursing through you that that punch triggered.

My best description of it so far is that when we run game we're tapping into her hindbrain and triggering those instincts that make her flirty/horny/etc so in the moment she's super into it, but her forebrain (where ASD etc lies) kicks in and says "woah woah what are you doing, this is crazy stop this shit!! What even IS this?? This isn't how it's supposed to work!! He's supposed to just be your asexual BFF and not make moves on you until you get frustrated and decide to tell him to make moves on you like the thousands of reference experiences we have of that as a <25yo in 2015 with a million orbiters!!" So she backs off and shuts down.

And NORMALLY that would mean "oh, okay, she's not into me for whatever reason, I must've fucked up somewhere, I guess I'll never hear from her again…" but then out of nowhere she's txt'ing and excited to meet up again and we think "wtf, you shut me down, why would you want to meet up again, you weren't into it??" but it's just that she's had time to process what happened and instinctively enjoys it and because you didn't freak out about her not putting out, she feels comfortable enough to step into the lion's den again. But they also aren't used to HAVING to chase or having to flirt really, they can just tell an orbiter "come over and fix my computer" and that guy is showing up with a boner when she opens the door, so it's almost like they don't have game now and act like AFCs when they DO like you, which is just hilarious lol But it also means needing to calibrate because when you throw a bunch of slick sexual flirting stuff at them and they don't know how to interact with that it can fuck the vibe up VS just playing it chill like they've been used to in their 20 years of "netflix & chill" hookups.

It's an interesting twist and I like it because it puts more value on cold-approaching which is my fav since most guys can't do it (and social circle game if that's your thing)…and like I keep saying we need more data, but I have enough to start messing with different tactics. My txt game has already changed dramatically and I'm on the verge of flat out refusing to exchange numbers and just pushing for the SNL but there are too many situations where you can't get the SNL (logistics, cockblocks, etc) and it's either get a number or never see her again and you have attraction etc so I'm looking at Julien's hardcore investment stuff because I think that's the key to making your number valuable. She may not reply to the nice guy who just asked for her number and she liked him in the moment but now she's had 500 tinder and instagram messages since then and forgotten how much she liked him…but she SHOULD reply to the guy who made her get on her knees and bark like a dog in public in front of her friends to get the number because she has ego investment in making that effort WORTH it by fucking him lol

I'm sure I'll miscalibrate some shit and lose some girls and fuck up sets that could've been nice safe validation highs if I didn't fuck around with new tactics, but there'll always be more girls out there and that's just the learning process.

Tonight I'm sick with a cold but I'll be heading out with a wing and I know he'll want to try for pulling 2-sets together which means I'll have to bail on some girls who don't have optimal logistics for us to pull both her and her friend, so I'm going to try some harder investment stuff with the numbers. Not Julien level bark like a dog stuff yet but a lot more "I don't know, you seem drunk. Do you even remember my name? When are we going to hang out if I take your number? I don't want your number if you're just some ditzy young bar star that's going to get shit-faced and not even reply. Are you free tomorrow? What time?" etc where she has to work for the number and I'm attaching negative emotions to her flaking etc…should be easy to do as an older man because that's what they'd expect from an older man lol The "don't waste my time" vibe like I'm screening her out for being young (which is absurd by social conditioning's value system, I SHOULD be worried about her screening me out).

It'll probably look similar to this (4 minutes in) lol:

@SJF
That book was like 2008, and it's compiling concepts that the PUA community was discovering and breaking down since 2003…that's why I say guys in the Manosphere/TRP even MGTOW (just for the understanding of human nature) should be reading the old PUA texts. Most of the stuff guys are discovering for the first time when they read Manosphere articles and "epic" TRP posts was all laid out back in the day. Rollo adds new perspective as a successfully married guy (and his lifestyle confirms a lot of oldschool concepts) and with some of his analysis like Hypergamy, Solipsism and Dread, the 3 major concepts that we didn't cover in the PUA community much…and he's great at explaining stuff in nice "ease the new swallower of the pill in" terms. But most of the actual understanding of all these dynamics has been sitting out there for anyone to read since the 2003 era, if they were so inclined to check it out.

Like I say I lol at the TRP forums when they come up with brilliant new epiphanies they try to explain that are literally already explained in depth in Mystery Method or one of Tyler's old forum posts and explained better than these guys who are just discovering it and trying to figure it out. Like just quit shitting on the fuzzy hat stuff and go read the actual oldschool shit and save yourself TONS of time and effort.

Because we figured this shit out early, we've been going out in t-shirts approaching dolled up chicks and telling girls we work at taco bell etc for like 10+ years while I can barely get Manosphere guys to step outside of their comfort zone for ONE NIGHT to wear a t-shirt or go to a kiddie nightclub or to tell girls they have a shitty job and have no money etc lol Like it's going to be years before the Manosphere/TRP gets off the "you gotta be rich and jacked like James Bond, bro!!" socially conditioned belief system and starts finally experimenting outside of their comfort zone and then it'll take a few MORE years before they do it en masse and compare notes and come to the same conclusions we came to in the mid-2000s and the same conclusions you cut and pasted from that book.

I just don't get why guys want to learn SLOW lol When I discovered PUA shit, LITERALLY that weekend (I found it on a Monday and went out that Friday) I went out and tried it (2 solid numbers, both converted to lays off a day2, one was a tall virgin from out of town who had to drive up and stay the weekend lol) because it was like "holy shit if this is real I want to get good at it as soon as possible" and threw myself into it reading everything I could find and trying everything out as often as possible.

Now guys go out once a week, wearing their nice suit they feel comfortable in, going to the same bars they feel comfortable in with people in the same age range they feel comfortable being around, running the same script they feel comfortable with (even though it hasn't gotten them the results they want and they're still banging the lone wolf 6s they find and not approaching the 9s in mixed sets) and just don't make progress and never shatter half of their limiting beliefs because they never challenge them, and then they CRY about their results. To us oldschool guys everyone just looks like a bunch of soft pussies clutching onto their ego trying to protect it from being shattered lol They're not playing to win, they're playing to not lose and not risk bad feels.

I can link the Great Happiness Space like I did a page back and guys can watch that, and watch girls shelling out thousands of dollars to just be AROUND guys who give them emotional impact and run proper game on them, and guys will still not go out tonight, a Friday night overflowing with women looking for dick, or they'll go out and not approach the girls they want and if they do they'll view it like they're taking up the girl's time and they don't want to inconvenience her instead of viewing themselves as being worth thousands of dollars to her. And they'll do that because they don't push themselves and build up habits of not pushing themselves.

One of my fav Tyler bits is that he'll force himself to go in even if he doesn't have an opener or anything. He sees the girl and if he can't think of anything he starts walking over and just says "well, I guess this'll be awkward then!" and opens with whatever comes out. Guys are afraid of awkward moments or miscalibrating or getting blown out and spend a ton of time reading/studying hoping to nail everything down ahead of time so they can just go out and open their first set and it'll just go perfect and flawless and if they don't think they can do that they won't approach or go out.

Half the guys spouting game advice in 2015 (even in the PUA community now that it's mainstream) are just waxing keyboard theory on how they think things SHOULD go either based on wishful thinking (newbie PUAs) or based on the experience they used to have back when they were a player (Manosphere guys) and have been dating some HB7 for a few years and haven't even APPROACHED let alone actually stuck their P inside the V of a hot <25yo lol "Oh I flirted with a waitress when I went on that business lunch and she liked me so I still got it cause that's basically a lay, I could get her if I WANTED to" lol I'm not specifying anyone in particluar, it's just the general attitude I see in forums like RVF and TRP and stuff. Half of RVF is just LARP'ing and convincing themselves they're taking more action than they ACTUALLY are. And then they'll say "oh YaReally is obsessed, I have so many important things to do I can't go out EVERY week…THREE nights a week are you CRAZY I have overtime hours to work, or I have to hit the gym, or I'm too old I'm tired or I can't drink that much and can't approach sober because I never forced myself to break that limiting belief crutch wahhhh" and it's like ok, well are you fucking the girls you want to fuck? Can you even say "hi" to that hottie you saw at the grocery store the other day? Does your sex life look how you envisioned when you were younger and full of hopes and dreams about it? No? You mean you're still banging 6s when last call rolls around and playing it off like "oh I'm just doing it for the laugh hey 6's need love too lolol" (meanwhile you're doing that EVERY weekend)? Well wtf do you expect lol Go out and push your comfort zones.

Julien on dick-slapping your comfort zones:

Tyler demonstrating what most guys look like in-field (the newbie PUAs are his first over-gaming example and like 99.99999% of the Manosphere/TRP are his "not gaming enough" second example, the whole fucking thing is a cringe-fest to watch lol):

@CaveClown

The fact that so many people are laughing in the audience and that this joke gets so many "omg I can relate to that" views is part of why I don't want to get married lol Before the internet and men sharing deadbedroom reports, this was all like "lol that's a funny joke but that won't happen to ME with MY unicorn". But now it's like, dude this shit is a WARNING lol Ya it can be prevented with RP knowledge but like, so many guys will watch vids like this or scenes like Breaking Bad and then get married and are like "oh it happened to me, wtf!! But I had a unicorn!!" and now they're legally and emotionally tied to the girl and don't want to risk losing their kids.


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This is the only Bryan Cranston I know lol:

I haven’t watched Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones or Vikings or Mad Men or Arrow or Gotham or Flash or 30 Rock or Modern Family etc etc because I was sarging while other people were watching that stuff. I’m sure they’re awesome shows and I’m sure I missed out on some great pop culture stuff, and I’ll probably catch up on them one day when I’m like 60 and settled down bored and ready to just consume passive entertainment all day long…

but like…any SINGLE guy who’s unhappy with his sex life who’s reading this comment section, or the Manosphere in general, or the TRP forums, or PUA forums, who’s staying in tonight and/or tomorrow night to watch Game of Thrones or binge watch a season of Breaking Bad…like…what are you DOING?? You could be fucking a 21yo tonight, get the fuck out there lol

(I DID watch Californication though, ’cause that shit is just educational, tho it sucked past season 3 lol)


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@CaveClown
“BB is the only show I have watched in the last decade, and only because I had heard it called “breaking beta” so often that I figured I’d watch it. ”

I actually think that’s why it did so well. From what I gather it’s a show about a beta chode who basically takes control of his life and becomes a badass. Pretty sure there’s a huge audience of frustrated depressed guys out there who wish they could do the same but have to settle for living it vicariously through TV shows.

@Andy
Ya the whole thing is super fucked up, but there are epic insights into how the female mind works to learn from. A lot of guys who are like “it’s all looks and money” can’t explain why a girl will sell her body and give her money to an ugly fat pimp that doesn’t even let her fuck him (they’ll brush it off as “oh those are just the drug addict damage cases” and then also not be able to explain why an 18yo girl has an Instagram page with thousands of followers and will obsess over that when she’s not even fucking those followers etc etc).

It’s all about making them feel emotions, good and bad, that shit is a drug to women way beyond material goods or external attributes. Most guys don’t feel entitled to SELL that drug to the girl though, unless they have the socially conditioned externals that they believe they have to have for the girl to want that drug…ignoring that she’ll chase that drug in a book like 50 Shades or a movie like Twilight that aren’t even REAL they’re just IMAGINATION, but they’ll still think “I’m not good enough because I’m 5’8″” lol like what?? Social conditioning has fucked men up so bad.


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yup part of my pLTR breakdown is about making yourself scarce, having a private separate office maybe even in another part of the city, having a 2nd apartment you can spend the night at now and then (get into a fight? just be gone for a couple days, sleeping in comfort instead of in the same house on the couch or engaging her drama), being out with the boys and not txting her, go film a liquor commercial with a bunch of hot vegas models, etc lol

In the PUA community we call it “give her the gift of missing you”. I think it’s key and would be a big part of if I ever settled into a pLTR.


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“But careful, YaReally, with the pre-conceived notions of how your life will turn out. Just like PUA game, you roll with the punches and never seek a completion in life. You are correct in admonishing men not to commit, but I have always been aware of the opposite, which is not grabbing for the gold ring (..to take a chance and reach for some goal or desire). I grabbed a gold ring once and it did not disappoint (but that’s just me YMMV).”

I could get crippled for life tomorrow or my face burned up in an accident or a million other things that fuck up the whole Hef/Clooney dream, I’m aware of that. But the mistake is in assuming that a girl will take care of me in that debilitated state. That’s the fantasy, but ask the guys who thought their girl would stick around when they became long-term useless and the “stick around” rate is a lot lower than Hollywood would have us believe and all of society will help her rationalize it away so she doesn’t feel bad about bailing.

The only thing sadder to me than being on my deathbed alone would be being on my deathbed expecting a woman I invested 30 years into to be there and she doesn’t show up or treats it as an inconvenience when she does.

It’s awesome when it works out for guys, and I hope you have nothing but success and you two are holding hands at the end and everything. But the odds of that happening are phenomenally low and personally I’m not going to pass up my prime SMV years investing into one person who’s entire brain is run by the law of “Hypergamy doesn’t care” lol

When I’m down and out, crippled in a wheelchair all alone having to sweet-talk someone into helping me wipe my own ass after I take a dump because I can’t do it myself, all I’m gonna have are the memories I’m making right now and I sure don’t want to be the guy who doesn’t have enough social charm to GET someone to help him out and thinks “why did I waste all those years, now I have to deal with a divorce on top of all this wheelchair bullshit” lol


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@Andy
“The only thing sadder than that is dying alone knowing you don’t have any kids out there continuing your legacy”

And the only thing sadder than that is not being able to see the kids you have and banked all your legacy dreams on because you walked into a family court nightmare in an era where women are incentivized to take them from you to assuage their bad feels about you.

If I find a way to have kids safely, or hit a point where I don’t care about the risks, cool, I might give it a go, but I’m not rolling that dice until I have to lol Seen too many of these:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/h0sor/frustration_post_i_dont_know_when_ill_get_to_see/

But hey maybe I’ll find a unicorn lol

@keyser Soze
I feel like I should warn you I don’t actually read your posts anymore, I just see a big block of unusually spaced lines and my name 8 times and just skip past it lol


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“Eh, I’ll admit it bothers me a bit that wives are fair game for a lot of PUAs.”

What should bother you is that PUAs are fair game for a lot of wives.


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We’re not doing anything they don’t want to do, or don’t instigate themselves, or won’t do with any other guy at some point. Like I’ve said before the only girls that won’t cheat are the ones who are fully satisfied with their man (aka he’s triggering their Hypergamy) because he didn’t let himself go to shit.

We HOPE you can step up and keep your girl attracted. I HOPE married/taken chicks don’t want to fuck me. But when they’re out on a girl’s night out and you’re at home being lame and she comes up to me flirting with me and “forgetting” to mention you or taking her wedding ring off when she thinks I don’t notice, you’re directing your anger at the wrong person.

If anything you should be happy a PUA only wants to fuck her and not actually break you up and take her lol

Trigger her Hypergamy for life and you have no problems. Rollo’s wife probably isn’t going to cheat on him with some douchebag like me. If you CAN’T keep your value up for life then don’t enter a legal contract that hinges on you being able to ’cause most of the time your wife will seek US out, not the other way around, because the contract you entered severely limits your ability to do the things that keep you attractive to her (the ability to walk away, have options, etc).


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A lot of the “those guys are bad because they don’t respect the marriage” stuff is based around guys thinking that because they invested a bunch of time/money they’re “owed” commitment from the girl. That’s what Hollywood and society and those wedding vows told them when they signed up. But it was bullshit, Hypergamy doesn’t care and if you let your value slip she will look for it elsewhere. That’s not fair from a man’s perspective, but that’s how it works.

When I hear ohh YaReally you’re going to fail by not reproducing and passing on your legacy it’s like ya maybe, but I’ve weighed the odds of “can I stay extremely high-value for 20+ years with a woman who’s incentivized to bail on our relationship who’s hounded by 24/7 validation streams of men trying to fuck her and the type of relationship that society expects me to have kids with her under is one that inherently neuters my value without massive unending pro-active attempts to counter it (like having a lifestyle that builds Dread in)?” and concluded that the answer is “maybe, but I don’t think that’s a risk I want to take in my mid-30s…maybe in my mid/late 40s, but not right now”.

The vast majority of the time it’s not like the Hollywood vision of it: a guy like me lurking over your chick loading her up on booze and telling her “your husband sounds like a real jerk” luring her into our web to bang her while she cries. Usually she doesn’t even mention her man except an obligatory tossing it out there with a “but we’re having problems right now, I’m probably going to leave him soon” between makeouts and SHE’S the one ignoring your call while she blows me and wanting to hook up again the next time you’re out of town. If I hadn’t been there she’d do it to some other guy because you’re no longer triggering her Hypergamy…if you were, she would have zero interest in some random bar guy lol


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“But either way, you’re not seeing your kids whether they exist or not.”

I’m also not paying alimony and child support lol Because I’m not shackled with those things I have a decent chance of living long enough to eventually find a way to settle (whether it’s screening for a quality-enough girl, hitting a point where I don’t mind the risks, managing a solid pLTR relationship with kids, donating my swimmers, being told I have a terminal illness and spending all day every day banging random girls raw to create an army, etc lol).

You could argue that I may get hit by a bus tomorrow and neutralize all those plans, but by that logic everyone should have kids as soon as they hit puberty just to play it safe.

“Another fucked up thing is that if my wife did cheat on me I’d probably stay with her.”

That’s part of why they cheat. They know their man won’t leave them…so why WOULDN’T they, if he’s no longer triggering their Hypergamy (because a man who won’t leave them probably isn’t triggering it as well as a guy who could walk away and not put up with her behaving bad)? It’s like a chicken/egg scenario lol

@teddj4g
“I like you, and your input is awesome. But that statement is lame as shit.”

No, you’re just emotionally invested in your belief system that everyone should respect your vows so it’s negative feels when someone takes a dump all over them lol Same as religious people etc

“”be thankful I only want to violate your woman in ways she won’t with you and send her home.””

Would you rather she fuck a guy who starts badmouthing you, trying to get her to stay in contact with him, txting her daily behind your back talking shit about you, meeting your kids when you’re away on business trips, telling her she deserves better and he’ll give her the world and he wishes she wasn’t married he wishes there was some way they could be together because she’s so special, and she divorces you, tells your kids this guy is their new daddy and that you made mommy miserable, so you can pay alimony that she uses to buy things for her new guy to keep him interested even though in the end he really doesn’t give a shit about her and tosses her aside for some other chick because he just wanted the lay and didn’t care about managing her feelings or anything?

No? Because that’s the alternative to fucking a PUA when she’s out there trolling for dick.

“Just say “sorry not sorry, loser” and move on. Pretty much the same message.”

It is when you’re too emotionally invested in your arrangement to look at it logically.


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“Call it what it is. Home wrecking.”

A lot of girls end up going back to their man because they just needed a break. Or using the other guy on the side for the sex they aren’t getting at home. It’s not a black and white issue, and your painting it as such is just overreacting. A lot of guys with happy family lives have already been cheated on and just don’t know it because it’s not like the Hollywood stereotype where everything comes crashing down in flames and chaos the second she touches another dick.

“That doesn’t remove all responsibility from you.”

There are scenarios where I won’t fuck the girl, but they’re because I have my own personal code of what lines I do and don’t cross. But the reality is other men don’t owe you anything and don’t have to respect your guys’ contract anymore than they have to believe in your god or appreciate the type of car you like etc. That’s just how the world works.

On the plus side if your wife is 30+ and losing her looks, there’s a good chance no one with options is trying to bang her. Most of the guys that try to bang her will be the swarm of online validation guys and guys who can’t get hotter which means they’re probably not going to be very attractive to her to begin with. But if you’ve married like an HB9 21yo…I mean, what were you thinking lol

@Sun Wukong
“If a higher branch comes along a woman will swing to it. That is the hard and fast rule.”

Yup. Like, sorry if that hurts feels but that’s how it works out there. The stuff about “forever and always” in your marriage vows was Hollywood duping to get you into the system. Now with RP skills you can keep triggering her Hypergamy and she’ll choose you over other guys, but if you let up for too long and she has options, she’ll stray. She doesn’t have “honor”, that’s Blue Pill nonsense. She will do whatever’s in her best interest in the moment and find ways to rationalize it. That’s why I say maintaining a marriage like that seems like the same amount of work I put into banging a hot young variety of girls…you don’t get to slack off when you’re married, unless you can also simultaneously prevent your wife from interacting with other men (which is theoretically possible but difficult in 2015 with the internet and shit, it’s not like you can lock them in a dungeon). In the past society had socially enforced rules that helped keep women away from other men as much as possible (and they STILL cheated), but in 2015? lol

“In fact it will make them pass up more opportunities than any man ever reasonably should.”

Literally like 90% of smokin hot girls have “a boyfriend”, but it’s usually code for “a guy I’m seeing so I don’t have to tell my parents I’m single at xmas dinner, that I kind of like I guess, if no one better comes along”. And most of them WANT a better branch to come along for them to swing away to because they’re only with that guy out of convenience or fear of being alone or because no one else made her an offer. You want me to pass up all those girls? Even if I just stick to the ones in shitty relationships where you’d say “wow YaReally it’s a good thing you broke them up, she was in a horrible shitty relationship with an abusive controlling asshole”, all that would happen is girls would tell me their nice guy boyfriend is actually an abusive controlling asshole to convince me to bang them.

I don’t even take girls seriously when they tell me their last boyfriend was abusive and controlling, they just make that shit up these days to rationalize ditching the guy lol

“I personally like to avoid hitting on married chicks because it’s just a complicating factor that’s rarely worth the headache.”

Ya, I don’t even do it much. It can be hassle that I don’t want to deal with so when I see the ring I just bail. But that’s when I see it. A higher-than-society-wants-you-to-believe number of married/taken chicks will actively avoid mentioning their man or hide their ring or downplay the relationship or talk shit about the guy etc etc to get dick when a better branch comes along.

“I simply don’t buy that there’s a society-wide “bros before hos” code that’s gonna be extended to me, because I’ve had too many supposed bros steal out from under my nose with no remorse.”

Yup. Most of the guys who give me hassle about “bros before hos” are the first ones to give no fucks about me if they see a chance to take the girl I’m talking to lol And I don’t expect them to not try, or the girl to not swing to them if they trigger her Hypergamy better, people WANT to fuck…we just have a big deal placed on it because of religion and shit, but fucking with condoms is just physical fun to a lot of people men and women in 2015.

And I don’t even want to get into the married/taken girls who want to fuck rawdog (and try to pull the condom off or convince me NOT to put one on). I don’t want to blow too many brains lol But get paternity tests…that shit should be mandatory.

“No, it’s getting your dick wet. The one homewrecking is the dumb cunt willing to violate her vows because of her tingles.”

This. But guys often want to absolve women of responsibility. If I’m in there roofying her and like holding a gun to her head making her suck my dick, ok it’s my fault, but at the end of the day she’s the one who could call her hubby and say “hey I’m on my way home” and hop in a cab home to keep her family together. At some point she decided she doesn’t give a fuck about your family…if SHE doesn’t give a fuck about you or your kids or your family life, why would some random guy?

Is it her 500,000 followers on Instagram’s fault your relationship falls apart, or is it hers for putting up an Instagram with a bunch of slutty pics and spending all day flirting with the free validation?

(I’m partly poking the bear for fun now, the reality is I have a lot of specific rules for married chicks and don’t bang them as much as guys think…because as much as YOU think your 35+yo wife is this paragon of sexuality because she’s missing a finger from the time she saved your baby from burning his face off on a stove, to me she’s just some old chick with a missing finger lol I’d rather fuck the hot young chick your wife is rolling her eyes at for dressing “too slutty”)

@Andy
“You don’t what RIDICULOUS reason she might be pissed off at you on any particular night.”

Agreed. So you probably shouldn’t make a legal and lifetime commitment to her on the basis that you’ll never accidentally kick her cat or break her favorite wine glass. But hey, your genetics will pass on, so why even be worried? You decided that having kids was worth the risk that she may have PMS when you tease her about sweatpants somewhere in the 40+ years you’ll be together. I don’t think that’s a wise decision myself, but it’s not the sweatpants salesman’s job to not sell her sweatpants.

@Sun Wukong
“I appreciate the comments directed at me recently as I’ve been kind of melting down.”

If you gotta step away from the Red Pill entirely for a while, that’s cool, do what you gotta do. We’re all rootin for ya. This shit is massive, it’s bigger than finding out santa claus isn’t real, it takes time to digest lol Don’t pressure yourself like I gotta fix it right away, it could take years to fully reach peace with everything…that doesn’t mean it’ll be years before you get laid but like, it’s okay to chill for a bit. The important thing is that you’re in a place where you CAN focus on yourself and fixing this shit, and you have a support network to help you with it if you need their help.

But if you want to look at another area of it you might find RSD’s Blueprint an interesting watch. It’s absurdly long and Tyler goes DEEP in-depth about a TON of dynamics in society in general, like it’s not even about picking up girls so much as it is about just like why do people do the things they do and think they things they think and how did we all end up the way we are etc. Could give you some ideas on dealing with your internal issues. It’s a heavy watch though lol Torrent it, Tyler says he doesn’t care about it being pirated.

@CaveClown
“Women are not innocent, frail, naive creatures that get seduced by the big bad PUA ya know.”

This. Women are like dogs…they’re a great pet if you can train them properly and know how to handle them. But if you don’t know what you’re doing that dog is going to bite the face off some kid at the park and it’s not the kid’s fault for being at the park lol


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“But the ring, like my car keys, shows ownership. After that’s known its just stealing.”

Only to you. To the rest of the world, your car is a public bus and you leaving your jacket on the seat doesn’t mean no one else will take it for a ride. You want other people to respect your belief system and vows, but like, why would you expect them to? They’re yours, not the other guy’s.

Your wife will tell me that you’re a neglectful abusive asshole who can’t get it up in bed and that I’m basically SAVING her by banging her. She won’t have to leave you if we can fuck, so really I’m doing the RIGHT thing. And as the guy who’s just met her how do I know she’s not telling the truth? You might BE some neglectful abusive asshole, I don’t know you lol Banging me might be the best thing for her and she’s pushing for it so hey…you might rescue an abused puppy from it’s owner who ties it to a tree and beats it every day too, but I mean, you’re stealing and should feel bad about that right?

“We talk a lot about how men must guide them, but then overlook dudes scamming married women ARE guiding them.”

“despite it being against their best interests”

“Scamming” lol Watch Julien scam this girl with a boyfriend, what an asshole, she got NO pleasure out of that interaction and won’t enjoy fucking him at ALL this is totally against her best interests:

“The easiest sex I’ve ever got was with married chicks. Seriously.”

It was easier when I told them I had a GF myself (pLTR) because they knew I wasn’t going to interfere with their relationship:


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“unless the laws change with self driving cars, still theft.”

I didn’t realize it was illegal to fuck a married chick lol They should really put that in bold print somewhere on wedding rings.


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“the monogamous husband of that wife you’re fucking is working from a disadvantaged platform. Hence Immoral.”

If Michael Jordan’s opposing team all chop off their legs during a game, it’s not immoral of him to walk past them and shoot a basket lol He could just forfeit the game and walk away but he’s under no obligation to, he didn’t chop their legs off.

“you has some goofy rationalizations for doing so.”

You wouldn’t think they were goofy if you heard them straight from the mouths of the girls participating lol *I* didn’t come up with these rationalizations, they’re what’s happening all around you guys. I’m just the big bad messenger saying what’s happening out there and bringing the uncomfortable conversation to the table that guys don’t want to address.


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On top of it maybe she WOULD be happier with me. I doubt it (though for the night or our fuckbuddy relationship when she’s with me she’s definitely happier lol), but like, who knows maybe it IS in her best interest to bail on you for me. I mean, she’s clearly not happy/satisfied with YOU because if she was she wouldn’t be up on me at the bar lol

If I tell her flat out up front that I don’t want a relationship with her or to break up her marriage or to ever meet her kids or to even see her past a one night stand, and she fucks me, hey, I did what I could. Do your job better and she won’t be talking to me.


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“But let’s be frank: legalities aside, no man alive in the west doesn’t understand banging a married woman is screwing the other guy over. What amazes me is: I don’t like people and I’d never screw another mans wife. Seems like people who enjoy talking to everyone gives less of a shit about those individuals than I do.”

And by “be frank” you mean “enter my moral code where I can make a bunch of judgements about other peoples’ behavior because they should all have the same values that I have” lol You keep going back to this “it’s just WRONG” concept. Maybe I think you locking her down in monogamy is “wrong”, maybe I think you’re limiting her experiences in life. Should you conform to my value system and send her out to suck a bunch of dicks because you’re actually limiting her experiences and in the wrong?

“If you are Red Pill and/or truly believe women have less agency because “feelz” and you use that to your advantage without care of how it will affect her, her husband, and her kids, you can’t say you have zero responsibility.”

It’s not my fault that you are so unattractive that I trigger her feels. It’s not my job to make sure you trigger her Hypergamy so you can uphold the legal contract you entered that said you would keep her Hypergamy triggered forever. If you were triggering her Hypergamy, she wouldn’t give a shit about me.

“How would that be different than any pedophile that takes advantage of naive kids?”

“And it makes no difference if she wants it, asks for it, enjoys it.”

She wouldn’t be doing that if you were doing your job.

“So you banging them is feeding my kids a shit ton of candy.”

It’s not my fault you deprive your kids of candy and then when they come visit my free candy store they indulge in my goods. Feed them some candy and they won’t be hungry when they walk past my store.

“They may love you for it, but it isn’t good for them.”

I’ll babysit my LTR girl, you babysit yours lol You’re trying to rally up the rest of the world to help raise your kids for you like “c’mon, I know I kind of neglect the kid and haven’t fed him in a few weeks and he’s come crawling into your store with his stomach growling and asking for food and drooling over your candy but like, none of you should offer him food okay??? WORK WITH ME HERE!! HONOR!! MORALITY!!”


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@Scray
“So would I attribute all the amazing things that have happened for me to those external factors that I developed or to the confidence and the frame I have developed?

Confidence and frame, hands down.

The external stuff just reinforces those things. If I could somehow act EXACTLY the same while being a fat, ignorant slob….I know I’d be just as effective.”


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@CaveClown
“Getting cheated on destroys my ego because of competition anxiety, lack of frame control, mpo difficulties, and self confidence issues.”

ahhhh, there it is finally. :)

“So if you do that to me, by fucking my wife, then you are an asshole.”

Is that me doing that to you, or is that you doing that to yourself? Is it my fault you have those insecurities, or is it your fault for not working on them, especially before you marry a girl and sign a legal document that basically says “I will have a strong frame and stay confident and am better than my competition and I’ll fuck you proper and you can trust in that forever”

’cause by MY value system, a guy who’s girl is off trolling for dick isn’t keeping up his end of the bargain. One girl I banged said her fiance, when she tried to buy lube, got offended and said she shouldn’t need that. Like ok bro, are you shocked when your fiance fucks some other dude? You’re the one fucking up.

@Andy
“they were tricked into cutting off their own legs”

I don’t know that, a guy like Ted seems super confident that he did the right thing, it doesn’t sound like anyone tricked him or SJF or Rollo into marriage. In an ideal world more men find the red pill early and don’t get married to begin with…maybe like Fight Club we need to burn the system down the hard way to force guys to pay attention. (I’m semi-trolling at this point lol)

“But they still manage keep her happy 95% of the time by busting their asses even with their fucking legs cut off”

Do they? I don’t know that. I look around at married guys and see a bunch of sad sacks with beer bellies working jobs they hate with no dreams getting berated by their wives and just boozing their days away. Is she really happy 95% of the time with him? If she is, why is she at the bar in a slutty dress stroking my arm as we talk?

@redlight
“if you ever fucked a married woman you would know if they didn’t cheat with you they would be cheating with someone else. Hypergamy doesn’t care.”

This. It’s not really a coincidence that a lot of the guys hating on it haven’t actually fucked many of these girls and seen first-hand what the other side looks like (ie – seen how callous the girls are behind closed doors and how they know PERFECTLY WELL what they’re doing and will even admit they were going out TO FIND COCK that night), that’s why I don’t really get upset by it lol I get that from their world view it violates everything because they’re picturing the only way their unicorn would cheat on them would be some asshole bombarding her with attention manipulating and tricking her into sex.

But this wouldn’t be much of a Red Pill place if we all just nodded and said “yes, marriage should be respected we can all agree on that!” and ignore all the grey areas of it to preserve guy’s world views.

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@Scray
“I’ve got a group of over 100 people I connect now at clubs”

Jesus kid, well done lol Knew you had potential. And social circle shit is perfect for a short dude (it goes back to demonstrating high-value). You’re one of the few short dudes who actually applied optimal game. Bravo, dude. Warms my heart when guys actually go out and apply this shit for real long-term and push through the bullshit nights.

“You just do the math and solve the problem. And then onto the next problem and solve that problem. And solve the next problem too.
And if you solve enough problems, you get to go home.”

This is perfect, and how we approach game. Like right now my buddy is demoralized that numbers are turning out to be wood, but I keep telling him it’s fine we’re going to just experiment with shit until we solve it. Other guys have solved it, so we just figure it out and then we succeed, that’s all there is to it. Hell, it’s NICE to have a new challenge and puzzle to solve. I’m psyched to head out tonight and try some hardcore investment shit on girls to see what happens.

Anyone looking at Tyler when he started out would’ve told him to give up or sent him down the money/gym route (ironically he actually had a bunch of money when he was early 20s, had his own house and expensive watches and shit but couldn’t get laid with it because he was a fucking weirdo lol). But he looked at other guys who were successful and said “if they can do it then I can do it, I just have to figure out what they’re doing that I’m not doing” and backwards engineered from there.

Too many guys will be like “oh I’m too short” (not picking on you CaveClown lol, it’s just a good universal example) and listen to Scray and watch those Cupid Schmupid videos and SEE other short guys doing it and then STILL go “but I’M too short (even though I’m taller than them)” and stay where they are with their mindsets.

But a guy with the problem solving attitude sees Cupid and goes “ok he’s shorter than me and doing this, so it CAN be done, I just have to solve the problems until I’m doing it.” and heads out to the social lab to start experimenting.

“The further you go, the less you will need the externals.”

This.

“Ya man, you do a lot of good in the world.”

Gotta balance out all the bad karma I rack up fucking taken girls. ;)

@Andy
“And again. I’m not 100% sold that hypergamy is the one and only factor. Let’s admit… Okay, I’m talking to the master here, but is there not a new and exciting man factor to this?”

Be more new and exciting to her and don’t legally sign yourself into a situation where that’s difficult to do. I’m sure Rollo is more new and exciting to his wife than I would be, but he’s very carefully crafted a lifestyle that allows him to keep that up. Really the married chick meets me for like half an hour…if I can convey in HALF AN HOUR more excitement than you have in years, like, you’re doing something wrong.

“Also there’s no “my husband laughed at my hair due this morning, so he doesn’t care about me anymore” factor to this?””

Learn to manage her emotions. Ideally we get to a point where every man learns red pill shit and plays the field and learns to calibrate to girls emotions and learns how to handle those “doesn’t care about me anymore” shit-tests before he signs a legal contract that says he’ll pass all those tests forever especially on days she has a GNO planned (or ideally he doesn’t sign that contract at all lol)


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Here’s a good clip of Hypergamy live in-field at the start of this video:

The student has the girl attracted enough to extract her and walk out the exit with him, which is a solid amount of compliance. But then he doesn’t see the window of opportunity that she WANTS TO FUCK that night, and when he won’t listen to Julien and keeps trying for the gay number close that will be wood and isn’t what the girl wants, he steps in and shows the student how it’s done and she IMMEDIATELY switches to the new more interesting exciting object with more emotional impact and the guy she spent who knows how long with becomes invisible to her. She feels no qualms about it, she doesn’t owe that guy any attention or even a “bye I’m leaving with this guy”. She’s just following her Hypergamy.

Now is it Julien’s fault for engaging her and giving her what she WANTS (since she goes with him, it’s not like he has to CONVINCE a girl who’s giving him iois and wants to get laid to go with him he doesn’t have to “trick” her)?

Or is it the student’s fault for not stepping up like Julien told him to and providing her with the emotions she needs that trigger her Hypergamy so that Julien CAN’T take her and so that she gets the good feelings and sex that she WANTS?

(he leads her around the corner and then puts the student in a cab with her (because you can transfer Buying Temperatures if you know what you’re doing), he’s not a total dick lol but that student needed to learn that girls don’t owe him SHIT, he has to be attractive and do the right shit or other guys can take her…if he had been engaging her properly, like a guy properly triggering his wife’s Hypergamy, that girl would ignore Julien)


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@Sun Wukong
Everything you just said lol

“I can’t hold on to her against every other dude she’ll ever meet.”

This is what guys have to understand. All YOU can do as a man is understand what emotions and shit she needs and provide them, while handling your own shit and staying as high-value as possible, to the point where even YOU don’t view other men as competition (because what you feel, she feels, she pings off you for how she should feel, if you view other men as a threat to you she’ll assume you know something she doesn’t and view them as better than you too, this is also why preselection and social proof works, she pings off her environment…put Rollo and I in a room together with a chick I’m seeing and while objectively by ANYONE’S sane logical standards Rollo could probably take her off me, there isn’t even a remote INKLING in my mind of doubt that I’m higher value than Rollo and provide what she needs better than he could ever HOPE to…is that actually true/accurate? Probably not lol but it doesn’t matter, what matters is that I fully believe it and my entire frame is based around it and she will fall into my frame and believe it too).

From there you have to just trust in “what you feel, she feels” and Hypergamy to keep her around, instead of trusting in the rest of society and especially other men to keep her around FOR you lol


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@Sun Wukong
No idea if this’ll help you ’cause I can’t relate to legit depression but like, here’s a thread for guys who are depressed while taking in the red pill, there might be some useful reading for you in there:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2az4oe/

I have a buddy with massive depression and he does the running, vitamin D, fish oil, regular sleep, etc stuff but like I have no idea how any of that works lol


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“I have a boyfriend, I love my boyfriend”. lol Is Tyler the bad guy here? Or is that chick choosing to give no fucks about the commitments she’s made. Is her life worse after this? Is her home broken and her kids living without a father because of this? Or does she just give no fucks because her boyfriend isn’t doing his job.

SO many examples of this infield lol


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@Pellaeon
“If you’re willing, Id like to hit you up for some perspective later. All of my experiences have shown me that being fat is just a huge motherfucking hurdle. I’m curious as to whether you got your first sexual experiences while still being fat, or if fatness came after your first kiss and lay.”

I’d call it chubby more than fat…till I see photos of myself and see my gross double chin lol But I’m not like 300lbs fat.

RSDTyler was fat for a few years and says he didn’t even realize he was fat, he thought he looked awesome, because he was getting a bunch of feedback from girls that he’s hot so his brain was just like “well I must be hot then if I’m getting these girls” lol:

RSDJeffy fluctuates from chubby to ripped (my body is about like Jeffy on the left but with more saggy/pointy manbooby boobage lol):

RSDOzzie and RSDAlex were both fat for a while…pretty much every instructor goes through it at some point.

RSDJulien is sporting a nice spare tire and manboobs here (first comment “Julien is going to have to start wearing a bra soon” lol):

I’ve always been chubby, there was like a year after I got into pickup (and was pulling and banging) where I decided to try dieting and hitting the gym and slimmed down to my lowest weight and picked up a bit of muscle but it made zero difference in my pickup so now it’s just like eh fuck it lol It’s hard to motivate yourself to go to the gym when you’ve got a girl with a tight body curled up to you and she clearly gives no fucks and LIKES that you’re a little cuddly.

I walk around naked after sex too lol because it’s funny to me because I know my body isn’t “sexy” so it’s like self-amusing to me to strut around and subtly rub in the girls face like “ya, you fucked THIS” lol I walk around naked like this guy:

Because I go for a particular type of girl (the extrovert/confident ones that doll themselves up and shit-test hard VS like the shy girl next door types), when I see pics of guys they’ve been with before me the guys are pretty much always jacked. That’s why the stuff about “well what do they masturbate to, no male strip club has fat guys” etc is just like lol who cares. Get in their face and make them feel emotions, dominate, lead, etc and it doesn’t matter if you have a 27″ bicep or 29″ one (I don’t even know what a good measurement for a bicep is lol).

It’s even more-so now that I fully understand laser eye-contact…once you lock lasers on her, the girl isn’t looking anywhere but your eyes. I could have a third arm and she wouldn’t even notice it because she’s locked onto my eyes. So wtf do I care about having abs? lol

The funniest part is that girls will still feel me up and act like I’m jacked feeling my biceps while we fuck etc Like recently I was making out with a 21yo and she runs her hand down my chest clearly expecting there to be some kind of ripped chest and she just copped a full out feel of manboob lol it was funny shit and no fucks given because I’m giving her the emotions she wants.

99% of the time it’s all in your head, but it comes through in your subcomms and the girls are pinging off you to know how to feel so when you feel insecure about something the girl thinks “ok if he’s insecure about it then it must be something to be insecure about” and it becomes a big deal.

Is it GOOD to lose the weight and get in shape? Ya, sure, but more for health reasons (easier to bang girls, better to keep yourself in long-term shape, etc) and to help your own mental blocks about it, than to pass some actual legitimate barrier to getting laid.


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@Pellaeon
Think of it this way. If you meet some smokin hot girl, tits out to here, ass you can bounce a quarter off etc. and she has kind of a lame personality and works at McDonald’s, would you still fuck her? Some guys might not but for the most part most guys will. Would it be NICE if she had an amazing personality and impressive career on top of that body? Sure…although if you’re just keeping her as a fuckbuddy you might not even really care because the main thing that attracts you to her and gives you a boner is already met in spades.

Women are attracted to alpha traits like dominating her in bed and destroying her shit-tests and being that uncontrollable wild stallion that she wants to tame and escalates shit to sex assuming attraction and has preselection and social proof etc etc. Would it be NICE if you were also a 6’4″ jacked He-Man? Ya, sure…but you’re already providing the things that actually attract her and make her tingle, so it’s not really necessary.

The big problem men have is that they’re so bought into the social conditioning that they won’t let themselves BE that dominant uncontrollable badass guy that escalates to sex and assumes attraction etc, so of course they can’t do it. They don’t feel entitled to it. Then ironically they might go out and do that with like a 4/10 and get laid, and never piece together “if I could just treat a hot girl the way I treat an ugly girl, I’d get the same result” because the social conditioning of “you’re not good enough” runs so deep.

But it’s as silly as an HB10 thinking you don’t want to fuck her because she doesn’t have an interesting enough personality or doesn’t work as a lawyer lol The absurdity of that notion is how absurd a guy thinking not having a 6-pack or being jacked means girls won’t be attracted to him. It’s looking at the wrong channels entirely.

Did cavemen all look like the guys in 300? Or did they just look like various masses of flesh that could dominantly toss a cavewoman around by the hair and fuck her brains out? But in 2015 you take a chubby guy now and combine it with his FI-conditioned lack of self confidence and fear of taking up space or being the center of attention let alone any kind of entitlement to ANYTHING in life and it’s like man it’s not the manboobs that are holding you back lol


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@Liz
“I said (from the quote) gaming EVERYONE (not some people, but a lifestyle of gaming absolutely everyone you are not intimate with) sounds lonely.”

That’s because you view “game” as something you do TO people (value-taking, win/lose or lose/lose), instead of something you do WITH people (value-giving, win/win).

A lot of people who achieve success achieve success in areas that other people told them were important to achieve success in, instead of areas they actually personally value to their core so the success feels empty. An example of this would be someone who doesn’t really care about being a doctor working hard to ace med school and become one. Or the guy who just wants a girlfriend learning game and being a player when really he’d be a lot happier just settling with one girl.

Or they achieve success in areas that other people told them would help them achieve success in the areas that were important to them, but it turns out success in one area doesn’t necessarily translate to success in other areas so all his effort in achieving that primary goal feels empty because it didn’t actually help him achieve his secondary goal. Or in game terms a guy who works hard at obtaining money, looks and suits, and then finds out it still doesn’t get him laid by the girls he wants, so those things he worked hard for feel empty. (this is what I try to help guys avoid when I talk about looks, a lot of those rich kids you see in high-end clubs all fucked up on coke and other drugs and calling hookers (expensive and hot ones, but still hookers they have to pay) for sex at 2am are doing those things because their success in other areas feels empty since it didn’t accomplish the other success they thought it would and they’re frustrated because by society’s value system and what everyone has told them their whole life they have all the tools to get those girls but are still fucking up so logically either they must be complete pieces of shit to still fail with all those advantages (and who could they complain to about their dissatisfaction? No one wants to hear a rich good-looking guy’s girl problems in a society that assumes he must have the perfect life and be getting laid like a rockstar) which is usually what leads to the cocaine and hookers and boozing and overspending and stuff (trying to escape from or compensate for that weird guilty/failure frustration feeling), or they assume everyone else must be too retarded to appreciate their value (Elliot Rogers)).

Or they achieve success that they believed would feel more rewarding than it actually does, simply because they had an unrealistic expectation of what the reality of achieving that success was (whether it’s from their own hyping it up or society’s conditioning), so they achieve that success and it feels empty because it ended up not being that big a deal. This is extra-depressing for the people who have a hole they’re trying to fill WITH that success, like the guy who thinks if he can just get a girlfriend he’ll be happy/complete. Fight Club promotes messages like “never be complete, never be perfect” because it’s trying to get guys to focus on the journey rather than the ending. If life were legitimately perfect to you and nothing ever went wrong, it would end up being so boring that that perfection would feel empty too. We don’t pay a movie theater to show us a movie where nothing bad happens and everyone just succeeds and is happy for 90 minutes. It’s hard to appreciate success when you don’t risk failure, and it’s hard to appreciate rewards when you didn’t risk anything to gain them.

Which brings us to people who achieve success by passively having it handed to them. The kid born into a rich family, the person who wins the lottery, someone genetically blessed with good looks, etc A lot of these people feel empty despite the success because they don’t feel they earned it. They can feel like frauds for even having it. I find women are more comfortable accepting free handouts than men are and my guess is that it’s because they’re more naturally inclined to hamster rationalize that they somehow deserve the free handout so it’s “earned” enough in their mind.

And finally (there’s others I’m sure but I’m hungry for breakfast) there’s the people who achieve success but compare their success to other people’s success and feel empty because sure they’re successful compared to some people, but compared to their neighbor or friend or someone on TV etc they aren’t as successful so they can never be happy with what they have even if it’s more than most people will ever have.

Oh and in Scott Adams’ case, he’s an example of someone who set their goals too low for their potential, or were too narrowly focused on a single major goal to bother thinking about other goals, or who underestimated their ability to accomplish that goal…which is a great problem to have lol But in these cases usually the person’s goal was highly self-serving (ie – obtaining value for themselves) and when they hit that empty feeling they, ideally, start looking outward the way Scott did into “now how can I use my success to give value to others?” Whether that’s starting a family, or mentoring others in that area of success, or using their success to help others (charity, starting funds/scholarships/etc, sharing knowledge, teaching, writing books, etc). Part of why I spend my hobby time writing comments like this is to give back to the community (of men looking to change their lives in general, regardless of whether it’s PUA/Manosphere/TRP/MGTOW/MRA/etc I view us all as one group with the same overall goal of helping men be happy) and pass forward helping other men the way I was helped when I first found this shit. I don’t have a website and I’m not hawking an eBook because I’m not here to make money or build a brand, I’m here to give value…partly because I’m just a good person in general, but partly because helping others gives me a sense of satisfaction and accomplishment. When guys post about how this stuff has saved their lives or I watch guys learn and grow and fix a bunch of shitty wiring that society fed them or some guy approaches his dream HB10 and is writing some ecstatic Field Report that he managed to talk to her for 10 whole minutes before he choked and ran away, I feel their success along WITH them. That’s why when I’m at the bars I’ll just befriend random guys and throw girls at them…I’ve had enough success and I’m happy enough in this area that I can give value to other guys and maybe that guy goes home with the girl and I go home alone, that’s fine I’m happy for him and I know I’ll get a girl another day lol

Funnily enough on the Scott Adams case, a lot of people will create their own success barriers and self-sabotage their goals so that they never achieve their goals simply because they’re afraid that once they achieve that goal they won’t know what to do from there, the way Scott Adams felt, and that’s scary…having a goal gives you purpose and can even become your identity, but once you no longer have a goal who ARE you? I believe scribblerg had to deal with this after having his core purpose “taken away” from him and realizing that purpose was what had defined him for so many years that now when he had to look inside and figure out hiw own purpose it’s like “holy shit, I don’t even really know what I want”.

I think to really feel and appreciate your success you have to pick a goal that’s important to YOU, have realistic expectations of what achieving that success will result in, and you have to earn it. That’s why pickup is fulfilling to me, I worked hard to get where I am with my social skills. So every victory I get is fulfilling because I’m overcoming all sorts of odds, especially when I put myself in situations that are outside of my comfort zone. And if I fail that’s fine, I accept failure as part of the process/journey and I can learn from that failure if I look at it objectively, which just helps me succeed in the future. But these are all positive reframes and mindsets I’ve had to consciously and pro-actively develop over the years. Most people won’t bother.

The sad reality is that the biggest reason a lot of people don’t end up achieving success at goals that are personally important to them to their core, is that they don’t even know themselves well enough to know what their values ARE and what goals ARE important to them. They numb themselves with passive media and let society dictate their values to them, they look to society, parents, friends, family, people around them that they don’t even know, to tell them what to value. They end up either mentally numb zombies on a couch just passing the time until they die, or they end up heading down wrong paths chasing goals that will never give them the satisfaction that would let them appreciate their success.

This is great for society, the more numb and zombie-like we all are as we follow society’s script for us (especially men), the better society functions. But for the individual man…well, I don’t have to tell anyone here the suicide statistics.

@Rollo
I’ll answer the questions using the definition of Game as like, active PUA tactics, VS the philosophical woo-woo “everything I do is Game, when I blink that’s Game” idea lol:

“Do you hesitate to use Game in different situations, and if so why?”

Of course. Mainly around buddies’ significant others and wingman situations etc. And ugly chicks lol Personally, I’ll also avoid it with certain girls that I can tell will end up damaged by being attracted to me…like there are situations where a girl is better off not having me in her life. Like I won’t build much comfort with a married chick, because if I build too much comfort she’ll start thinking I’ll be her new boyfriend if she leaves her husband and I won’t be so her life would take a serious decline if I allowed her to think that kind of shit. Or a former fuckbuddy who’s trying to date a guy and settle down and is super close to it if she just stays out of the bar scene for a couple more years and her SMV lowers enough to give her a more realistic perspective of what’s smart for her future, but she tries to make plans with me or we run into eachother at the bar and she isolates herself etc, I know I CAN bang her, easily, but for me there are situations where I feel like that’ll be a win/lose situation where I do damage that I don’t want on my conscience (often because I actually LIKE that particular girl and hope that she’s able to settle down and successfully have a family etc).

“Do you think Game is only applicable to your intimate interactions?”

lol no, Game is the same as marketing or general psychology. I’ve talked angry guys out of fighting (fighting other people and myself lol), depressed guys out of suicide, helped a ton of people get through grief (loss of loved ones), helped girls undo shitty wiring, to move forward or help others move forward in my career, etc etc These can be people close to me or complete randoms. I was having a burger solo in a bar and some old guy from another country vented to me about how he knows his wife is cheating on him and doesn’t care because he’s only with her for their kids and they’re his world and he wouldn’t want to risk losing them etc etc I didn’t change that guy’s life, but I listened to his story and built rapport with him and shared some similar experiences (and even made one up lol) to make him feel less lonely in his situation etc.

“Are you hesitant to use Game because of ethical or Blue Pill considerations?”

lol maybe that the start but not now. I have ethics, but they’re my own, and I encourage other guys to go out and hit the field and put themselves in various situations to find out what their personal ethical code is. I’m actually VERY adamant in my ethics, I have lines that I absolutely won’t cross, that other guys may not relate to. But I don’t care if they do, my ethics and values are my own and I’m congruent to them. And I’ve hung out with guys with VERY different (or non-existant as far as I can see lol) ethical codes and I don’t force my own codes on them just as I wouldn’t want them attempting to force theirs on me.

That said, a LOT of ethical concerns are based in lack of understanding. Like how Tyler describes there are certain girls who NEED “abuse”. They NEED drama, they need you to treat them like shit all the way to the bedroom and afterward and will lose attraction for you if you DON’T treat them like shit. It’s just their specific wiring. But a Blue Pill guy or newbie watching Tyler or myself interact with that type of girl would go “holy shit this guy is a monster” and not understand that she’s attracted by it even if she’s crying and that she seeks that out and is actually happy to find a guy who will give it to her. It seems fucked up, but when you understand how and why she needs that, you realize that all that guy is doing is giving her what she needs. That’s not all cases, obviously lol so disclaimer and everything, these are very specific personality types, don’t go around treating girls like shit lol But the reality is, some girls crave it.

I’m at the point now where some things that I look at buddies do that make me cringe, I don’t judge them immediately, I think about “ok well, IS he just an asshole or is this working and if it’s working WHY is it working and if I had the same understanding as this guy would this seem totally normal and fine to me? …or is he just an asshole?” ’cause if you went back every 2 years of my life and showed me the stuff the 2 years later version of me is doing with girls, that 2 years back guy would consistently say “man THAT guy is an ASSHOLE!!” lol And a handful of buddies with less experience than me think I’m way out there compared to what they’d do, but I see them creep closer and closer toward the same stages I went through that got me here, as they gain more experience and learn the things I learned and develop the views and mindsets I have.

That’s why some guys will be like “YaReally, you say you have ethics because you don’t build comfort with a married chick you’re fucking…but you’re still FUCKING A MARRIED CHICK, that’s not ethical!!” lol Like I say, it’s my own personal ethics and it’s based on my own experiences and my personal calibration to the situations…some married chicks I’ll avoid entirely because us fucking will screw their lives (or other people’s lives) up, whereas some married chicks won’t be affected negatively at all, and believe it or not there are situations where banging me will HELP a married chick because she gets her restlessness/curiousity out of her system with a guy who won’t try to fuck her family life up, or gets her sexual needs taken care of so she doesn’t have to leave her man because he’s not satisfying them, or she realizes when I don’t give her much comfort that “other guys” will just pump ‘n dump her compared to her man and she sees her man in a better light (I often give them advice on how to help/fix their shitty relationships or explain what their man is thinking/doing and why he’s doing it and drop some red pill advice etc). But this is all grey area to guys who don’t have a lot of field experience and haven’t been in these situations with girls like this and seen how grey it all is. I’m fine with them just thinking I’m a monster lol wtf do I care what random people think?

“Have you ever applied Game and/or Red Pill aware ideas to women below your own SMV?”

My flippant answer is the same as someone else in this thread: all women are below my SMV, so of course I have. But to the question you’re actually asking: ya all the time, though I try not to actually fuck them. But like, they’re all good practice. If you can treat an HB10 the way you treat an HB4, she’ll generally respond the same way. So interacting with ANY girls helps, ultimately. Chick programming is chick programming, so any time you press some buttons you’re gaining more reference experiences. That bitchy HB10 at the nightclub who looks down her nose at you is a silly giggly girl on Christmas morning hanging out with her family and getting picked on by her older brother who calls her a dork and fans his farts toward her and she acts like an AFC around the guy she has a crush on. Sure, she develops a better bitch-shield because she has more need for it since she gets more attention, but like, under that the wiring is all the same. That’s why we aren’t fazed by shit-tests, because we know it’s just surface level bullshit and once you get past it she’s going to be the same as any other girl.

If you can make an HB4 love you, you can make an HB10 love you…once you get past all the bad wiring you have in your brain that tells you to treat an HB10 “different”, which can take years or even be impossible to unwire for a lot of guys lol

“Do you think it’s advisable to “practice” Game with such women?”

It’s a tricky question. At the start, when you’re a newbie, ya, get the fuck in there and practice on ANY chick regardless of how hot she is. You don’t even have to fuck her, just gather the reference experiences.

But the catch is the intermediate/advanced guys will often get stuck in limbo where they stick to the 6s and 7s and occasional 8 and still never approach the 9s or 10s they see. This can be a huuuuge source of frustration and a lot of guys never get past it. The problem is your brain has been programmed to think that an HB10 is special and high-value (notice that a lot of guys who do good with the hottest girls grew up around women, like had attractive sisters and shit, so they don’t view hot girls as high-value because they grew up seeing how retarded they actually are lol), and when you focus on the HB5-7s you’re just reinforcing to your brain that those are the girls “in your league” and that you deserve and that the HOT girls are SPECIAL. But to view that HB10 as an HB4, your brain needs to collect reference experiences of interacting with an HB10 and treating her like an HB4 and gathering the results to slowly unwire that bad wiring.

You can’t get that from reading shit on the internet or theorizing from your armchair…you have to go out and INTERACT with those girls regularly until you rewire your brain to not treat them as higher value than the HB4s. Over time you’ll rewire your brain, but like most guys will never push themselves to do that…the worst is the advanced guy who’s still friend-zoning himself with asexual interactions on the HB10s (if he even approaches them) and banging 6s that he isn’t satisfied with. Tons of self-loathing and frustration and shit involved in that because deep down he knows if he had just approached that HB10 he may have gotten her or been one step closer to getting girls like her in the future but he took the easy route.

That’s also why a lot of good-looking dudes end up going home with or dating 6s. They have the looks but they don’t feel entitled to the HB10s and they don’t know how to approach her and are intimidated by her beauty but she’s waiting for a man who has the balls to approach her without being intimidated by her beauty because she’s learned that’s the only kind of man that can handle dating her (meanwhile the aggressive 6 will run up to him and feel his muscles and buy him a drink and get him to fuck her). And those guys can’t really complain to anyone about it but deep down they’re frustrated as fuck because, like I mentioned in my reply to Liz above, they’ve got all the tools society said should result in them getting that HB10 but it’s not working out.

The best rule for it is to force yourself to approach the girls that make you nervous. The girl that gives you Approach Anxiety is the girl you should be approaching. When you’re a newbie (or starting your night out feeling totally out of state because you worked all day and don’t feel social etc), that might be an HB4 or a little old lady or just strangers in general male or female lol, but when you’re advanced (or just in a better more confident entitled state in general) that might be HB8s or HB10s. I’ve met newbies who for whatever reason just aren’t intimidated by hot girls and can walk up to an HB10 even though they’re just starting out, and I’ve met guys who’ve racked up retarded numbers but are still going for the easy 6s and have only had a few legitimate stunners.

Same as anything, to reach a flow state you have to be pushing just far enough outside of your comfort zone that you feel challenged, but not so far out of it that you can’t eventually succeed. When that becomes your new normal (whether it’s for that night or in your long-term progression) you step up till you’re outside of your comfort zone again. But that level of entitlement will be different for every guy at every stage of his progress.

@Softek

She will instinctively know that you settled with her out of a fear of losing her (scarcity) instead of from a place of choosing her over other women (abundance). You’ll have some fun times and good sex, but odds are she’ll respect you less for caving long-term and you’ll start a snowball down a hill toward more drama because you’ve taught her “if you want more commitment, start drama and I’ll reward that drama with more commitment” which will escalate. Proper treatment is to freeze her out until she realizes you don’t negotiate with terrorists and 80% of you is better than 100% of other guys (she may have to date and possibly fuck other guys for a few weeks/months though often she won’t even get to fucking, she’ll go on a couple Tinder dates with guys who have no game and miss you) and comes back. Fear of loss is a powerful motivator. See Blackdragon’s stuff on LSNFTE for more info:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PUApolyamory/comments/1xt2fp/poly_masf_repost_lsnfte_definition_and/

And how to apply a Soft Next in better depth than I’m explaning it:

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?5492-How-To-Soft-Next-Step-by-step-instructions-and-answers-to-questions

And click my name to hit my archives and search for “pLTR” and “monogamy is broken”. The key is the radio silence freezeout (ideally it should have been done immediately when she issued the ultimatum, but you should be able to recover)…it’s not an angry thing it’s just like, imagine someone you hung out with stopped bathing and started to smell, you would just naturally be less inclined to invest time in being around them lol To paraphrase a Mystery LMR Freezeout line: “no I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed that you’re bringing me drama like this. I didn’t think you were like the other girls, that was one of the things I liked about you is that you didn’t bring drama into my life…I don’t know, I guess it’s just kind of a turn-off…I value our relationship, but I tend to avoid drama in my life.” like he doesn’t really understand his own feelings and is sorting through them as he’s talking thinking out-loud, then change the subject lol But not explaining works too, it depends on your style.

Every fiber of your being will want to not freeze her out, of course, and you’ll probably fuck it up lol Don’t worry, you’ll learn from it and you aren’t the first and won’t be the last. 😉


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on November 8th, 2015 at 10:49 am
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Fuck not sure if I’m double-posting this but I didn’t see it pop up and I’ve been having internet problems lol delete one of these if there’s two, Rollo:

@Liz
“I said (from the quote) gaming EVERYONE (not some people, but a lifestyle of gaming absolutely everyone you are not intimate with) sounds lonely.”

That’s because you view game as something you do TO people (value-taking, win/lose or lose/lose), instead of something you do WITH people (value-giving, win/win). Mindset shift.

A lot of people who achieve success achieve success in areas that other people told them were important to achieve success in, instead of areas they actually personally value to their core so the success feels empty. An example of this would be someone who doesn’t really care about being a doctor working hard to ace med school and become one. Or the guy who just wants a girlfriend learning game and being a player when really he’d be a lot happier just settling with one girl.

Or they achieve success in areas that other people told them would help them achieve success in the areas that were important to them, but it turns out success in one area doesn’t necessarily translate to success in other areas so all his effort in achieving that primary goal feels empty because it didn’t actually help him achieve his secondary goal. Or in game terms a guy who works hard at obtaining money, looks and suits, and then finds out it still doesn’t get him laid by the girls he wants, so those things he worked hard for feel empty. (this is what I try to help guys avoid when I talk about looks, a lot of those rich kids you see in high-end clubs all fucked up on coke and other drugs and calling hookers (expensive and hot ones, but still hookers they have to pay) for sex at 2am are doing those things because their success in other areas feels empty since it didn’t accomplish the other success they thought it would and they’re frustrated because by society’s value system and what everyone has told them their whole life they have all the tools to get those girls but are still fucking up so logically either they must be complete pieces of shit to still fail with all those advantages (and who could they complain to about their dissatisfaction? No one wants to hear a rich good-looking guy’s girl problems in a society that assumes he must have the perfect life and be getting laid like a rockstar) which is usually what leads to the cocaine and hookers and boozing and overspending and stuff (trying to escape from or compensate for that weird guilty/failure frustration feeling), or they assume everyone else must be too retarded to appreciate their value (Elliot Rogers)).

Or they achieve success that they believed would feel more rewarding than it actually does, simply because they had an unrealistic expectation of what the reality of achieving that success was (whether it’s from their own hyping it up or society’s conditioning), so they achieve that success and it feels empty because it ended up not being that big a deal. This is extra-depressing for the people who have a hole they’re trying to fill WITH that success, like the guy who thinks if he can just get a girlfriend he’ll be happy/complete. Fight Club promotes messages like “never be complete, never be perfect” because it’s trying to get guys to focus on the journey rather than the ending. If life were legitimately perfect to you and nothing ever went wrong, it would end up being so boring that that perfection would feel empty too. We don’t pay a movie theater to show us a movie where nothing bad happens and everyone just succeeds and is happy for 90 minutes. It’s hard to appreciate success when you don’t risk failure, and it’s hard to appreciate rewards when you didn’t risk anything to gain them.

Which brings us to people who achieve success by passively having it handed to them. The kid born into a rich family, the person who wins the lottery, someone genetically blessed with good looks, etc A lot of these people feel empty despite the success because they don’t feel they earned it. They can feel like frauds for even having it. I find women are more comfortable accepting free handouts than men are and my guess is that it’s because they’re more naturally inclined to hamster rationalize that they somehow deserve the free handout so it’s “earned” enough in their mind.

And finally (there’s others I’m sure but I’m hungry for breakfast) there’s the people who achieve success but compare their success to other people’s success and feel empty because sure they’re successful compared to some people, but compared to their neighbor or friend or someone on TV etc they aren’t as successful so they can never be happy with what they have even if it’s more than most people will ever have.

Oh and in Scott Adams’ case, he’s an example of someone who set their goals too low for their potential, or were too narrowly focused on a single major goal to bother thinking about other goals, or who underestimated their ability to accomplish that goal…which is a great problem to have lol But in these cases usually the person’s goal was highly self-serving (ie – obtaining value for themselves) and when they hit that empty feeling they, ideally, start looking outward the way Scott did into “now how can I use my success to give value to others?” Whether that’s starting a family, or mentoring others in that area of success, or using their success to help others (charity, starting funds/scholarships/etc, sharing knowledge, teaching, writing books, etc). Part of why I spend my hobby time writing comments like this is to give back to the community (of men looking to change their lives in general, regardless of whether it’s PUA/Manosphere/TRP/MGTOW/MRA/etc I view us all as one group with the same overall goal of helping men be happy) and pass forward helping other men the way I was helped when I first found this shit. I don’t have a website and I’m not hawking an eBook because I’m not here to make money or build a brand, I’m here to give value…partly because I’m just a good person in general, but partly because helping others gives me a sense of satisfaction and accomplishment. When guys post about how this stuff has saved their lives or I watch guys learn and grow and fix a bunch of shitty wiring that society fed them or some guy approaches his dream HB10 and is writing some ecstatic Field Report that he managed to talk to her for 10 whole minutes before he choked and ran away, I feel their success along WITH them. That’s why when I’m at the bars I’ll just befriend random guys and throw girls at them…I’ve had enough success and I’m happy enough in this area that I can give value to other guys and maybe that guy goes home with the girl and I go home alone, that’s fine I’m happy for him and I know I’ll get a girl another day lol

Funnily enough on the Scott Adams case, a lot of people will create their own success barriers and self-sabotage their goals so that they never achieve their goals simply because they’re afraid that once they achieve that goal they won’t know what to do from there, the way Scott Adams felt, and that’s scary…having a goal gives you purpose and can even become your identity, but once you no longer have a goal who ARE you? I believe scribblerg had to deal with this after having his core purpose “taken away” from him and realizing that purpose was what had defined him for so many years that now when he had to look inside and figure out hiw own purpose it’s like “holy shit, I don’t even really know what I want”.

I think to really feel and appreciate your success you have to pick a goal that’s important to YOU, have realistic expectations of what achieving that success will result in, and you have to earn it. That’s why pickup is fulfilling to me, I worked hard to get where I am with my social skills. So every victory I get is fulfilling because I’m overcoming all sorts of odds, especially when I put myself in situations that are outside of my comfort zone. And if I fail that’s fine, I accept failure as part of the process/journey and I can learn from that failure if I look at it objectively, which just helps me succeed in the future. But these are all positive reframes and mindsets I’ve had to consciously and pro-actively develop over the years. Most people won’t bother.

The sad reality is that the biggest reason a lot of people don’t end up achieving success at goals that are personally important to them to their core, is that they don’t even know themselves well enough to know what their values ARE and what goals ARE important to them. They numb themselves with passive media and let society dictate their values to them, they look to society, parents, friends, family, people around them that they don’t even know, to tell them what to value. They end up either mentally numb zombies on a couch just passing the time until they die, or they end up heading down wrong paths chasing goals that will never give them the satisfaction that would let them appreciate their success.

This is great for society, the more numb and zombie-like we all are as we follow society’s script for us (especially men), the better society functions. But for the individual man…well, I don’t have to tell anyone here the suicide statistics.

@Rollo
I’ll answer the questions using the definition of Game as like, active PUA tactics, VS the philosophical woo-woo “everything I do is Game, when I blink that’s Game” idea lol:

“Do you hesitate to use Game in different situations, and if so why?”

Of course. Mainly around buddies’ significant others and wingman situations etc. And ugly chicks lol Personally, I’ll also avoid it with certain girls that I can tell will end up damaged by being attracted to me…like there are situations where a girl is better off not having me in her life. Like I won’t build much comfort with a married chick, because if I build too much comfort she’ll start thinking I’ll be her new boyfriend if she leaves her husband and I won’t be so her life would take a serious decline if I allowed her to think that kind of shit. Or a former fuckbuddy who’s trying to date a guy and settle down and is super close to it if she just stays out of the bar scene for a couple more years and her SMV lowers enough to give her a more realistic perspective of what’s smart for her future, but she tries to make plans with me or we run into eachother at the bar and she isolates herself etc, I know I CAN bang her, easily, but for me there are situations where I feel like that’ll be a win/lose situation where I do damage that I don’t want on my conscience (often because I actually LIKE that particular girl and hope that she’s able to settle down and successfully have a family etc).

“Do you think Game is only applicable to your intimate interactions?”

lol no, Game is the same as marketing or general psychology. I’ve talked angry guys out of fighting (fighting other people and myself lol), depressed guys out of suicide, helped a ton of people get through grief (loss of loved ones), helped girls undo shitty wiring, to move forward or help others move forward in my career, etc etc These can be people close to me or complete randoms. I was having a burger solo in a bar and some old guy from another country vented to me about how he knows his wife is cheating on him and doesn’t care because he’s only with her for their kids and they’re his world and he wouldn’t want to risk losing them etc etc I didn’t change that guy’s life, but I listened to his story and built rapport with him and shared some similar experiences (and even made one up lol) to make him feel less lonely in his situation etc.

“Are you hesitant to use Game because of ethical or Blue Pill considerations?”

lol maybe that the start but not now. I have ethics, but they’re my own, and I encourage other guys to go out and hit the field and put themselves in various situations to find out what their personal ethical code is. I’m actually VERY adamant in my ethics, I have lines that I absolutely won’t cross, that other guys may not relate to. But I don’t care if they do, my ethics and values are my own and I’m congruent to them. And I’ve hung out with guys with VERY different (or non-existant as far as I can see lol) ethical codes and I don’t force my own codes on them just as I wouldn’t want them attempting to force theirs on me.

That said, a LOT of ethical concerns are based in lack of understanding. Like how Tyler describes there are certain girls who NEED “abuse”. They NEED drama, they need you to treat them like shit all the way to the bedroom and afterward and will lose attraction for you if you DON’T treat them like shit. It’s just their specific wiring. But a Blue Pill guy or newbie watching Tyler or myself interact with that type of girl would go “holy shit this guy is a monster” and not understand that she’s attracted by it even if she’s crying and that she seeks that out and is actually happy to find a guy who will give it to her. It seems fucked up, but when you understand how and why she needs that, you realize that all that guy is doing is giving her what she needs. That’s not all cases, obviously lol so disclaimer and everything, these are very specific personality types, don’t go around treating girls like shit lol But the reality is, some girls crave it.

I’m at the point now where some things that I look at buddies do that make me cringe, I don’t judge them immediately, I think about “ok well, IS he just an asshole or is this working and if it’s working WHY is it working and if I had the same understanding as this guy would this seem totally normal and fine to me? …or is he just an asshole?” ’cause if you went back every 2 years of my life and showed me the stuff the 2 years later version of me is doing with girls, that 2 years back guy would consistently say “man THAT guy is an ASSHOLE!!” lol And a handful of buddies with less experience than me think I’m way out there compared to what they’d do, but I see them creep closer and closer toward the same stages I went through that got me here, as they gain more experience and learn the things I learned and develop the views and mindsets I have.

That’s why some guys will be like “YaReally, you say you have ethics because you don’t build comfort with a married chick you’re fucking…but you’re still FUCKING A MARRIED CHICK, that’s not ethical!!” lol Like I say, it’s my own personal ethics and it’s based on my own experiences and my personal calibration to the situations…some married chicks I’ll avoid entirely because us fucking will screw their lives (or other people’s lives) up, whereas some married chicks won’t be affected negatively at all, and believe it or not there are situations where banging me will HELP a married chick because she gets her restlessness/curiousity out of her system with a guy who won’t try to fuck her family life up, or gets her sexual needs taken care of so she doesn’t have to leave her man because he’s not satisfying them, or she realizes when I don’t give her much comfort that “other guys” will just pump ‘n dump her compared to her man and she sees her man in a better light (I often give them advice on how to help/fix their shitty relationships or explain what their man is thinking/doing and why he’s doing it and drop some red pill advice etc). But this is all grey area to guys who don’t have a lot of field experience and haven’t been in these situations with girls like this and seen how grey it all is. I’m fine with them just thinking I’m a monster lol wtf do I care what random people think?

“Have you ever applied Game and/or Red Pill aware ideas to women below your own SMV?”

My flippant answer is the same as someone else in this thread: all women are below my SMV, so of course I have. But to the question you’re actually asking: ya all the time, though I try not to actually fuck them. But like, they’re all good practice. If you can treat an HB10 the way you treat an HB4, she’ll generally respond the same way. So interacting with ANY girls helps, ultimately. Chick programming is chick programming, so any time you press some buttons you’re gaining more reference experiences. That bitchy HB10 at the nightclub who looks down her nose at you is a silly giggly girl on Christmas morning hanging out with her family and getting picked on by her older brother who calls her a dork and fans his farts toward her and she acts like an AFC around the guy she has a crush on. Sure, she develops a better bitch-shield because she has more need for it since she gets more attention, but like, under that the wiring is all the same. That’s why we aren’t fazed by shit-tests, because we know it’s just surface level bullshit and once you get past it she’s going to be the same as any other girl.

If you can make an HB4 love you, you can make an HB10 love you…once you get past all the bad wiring you have in your brain that tells you to treat an HB10 “different”, which can take years or even be impossible to unwire for a lot of guys lol

“Do you think it’s advisable to “practice” Game with such women?”

It’s a tricky question. At the start, when you’re a newbie, ya, get the fuck in there and practice on ANY chick regardless of how hot she is. You don’t even have to fuck her, just gather the reference experiences.

But the catch is the intermediate/advanced guys will often get stuck in limbo where they stick to the 6s and 7s and occasional 8 and still never approach the 9s or 10s they see. This can be a huuuuge source of frustration and a lot of guys never get past it. The problem is your brain has been programmed to think that an HB10 is special and high-value (notice that a lot of guys who do good with the hottest girls grew up around women, like had attractive sisters and shit, so they don’t view hot girls as high-value because they grew up seeing how retarded they actually are lol), and when you focus on the HB5-7s you’re just reinforcing to your brain that those are the girls “in your league” and that you deserve and that the HOT girls are SPECIAL. But to view that HB10 as an HB4, your brain needs to collect reference experiences of interacting with an HB10 and treating her like an HB4 and gathering the results to slowly unwire that bad wiring.

You can’t get that from reading shit on the internet or theorizing from your armchair…you have to go out and INTERACT with those girls regularly until you rewire your brain to not treat them as higher value than the HB4s. Over time you’ll rewire your brain, but like most guys will never push themselves to do that…the worst is the advanced guy who’s still friend-zoning himself with asexual interactions on the HB10s (if he even approaches them) and banging 6s that he isn’t satisfied with. Tons of self-loathing and frustration and shit involved in that because deep down he knows if he had just approached that HB10 he may have gotten her or been one step closer to getting girls like her in the future but he took the easy route.

That’s also why a lot of good-looking dudes end up going home with or dating 6s. They have the looks but they don’t feel entitled to the HB10s and they don’t know how to approach her and are intimidated by her beauty but she’s waiting for a man who has the balls to approach her without being intimidated by her beauty because she’s learned that’s the only kind of man that can handle dating her (meanwhile the aggressive 6 will run up to him and feel his muscles and buy him a drink and get him to fuck her). And those guys can’t really complain to anyone about it but deep down they’re frustrated as fuck because, like I mentioned in my reply to Liz above, they’ve got all the tools society said should result in them getting that HB10 but it’s not working out.

The best rule for it is to force yourself to approach the girls that make you nervous. The girl that gives you Approach Anxiety is the girl you should be approaching. When you’re a newbie (or starting your night out feeling totally out of state because you worked all day and don’t feel social etc), that might be an HB4 or a little old lady or just strangers in general male or female lol, but when you’re advanced (or just in a better more confident entitled state in general) that might be HB8s or HB10s. I’ve met newbies who for whatever reason just aren’t intimidated by hot girls and can walk up to an HB10 even though they’re just starting out, and I’ve met guys who’ve racked up retarded numbers but are still going for the easy 6s and have only had a few legitimate stunners.

Same as anything, to reach a flow state you have to be pushing just far enough outside of your comfort zone that you feel challenged, but not so far out of it that you can’t eventually succeed. When that becomes your new normal (whether it’s for that night or in your long-term progression) you step up till you’re outside of your comfort zone again. But that level of entitlement will be different for every guy at every stage of his progress.

@Softek

She will instinctively know that you settled with her out of a fear of losing her (scarcity) instead of from a place of choosing her over other women (abundance). You’ll have some fun times and good sex, but odds are she’ll respect you less for caving long-term and you’ll start a snowball down a hill toward more drama because you’ve taught her “if you want more commitment, start drama and I’ll reward that drama with more commitment” which will escalate. Proper treatment is to freeze her out until she realizes you don’t negotiate with terrorists and 80% of you is better than 100% of other guys (she may have to date and possibly fuck other guys for a few weeks/months though often she won’t even get to fucking, she’ll go on a couple Tinder dates with guys who have no game and miss you) and comes back. Fear of loss is a powerful motivator. See Blackdragon’s stuff on LSNFTE for more info:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PUApolyamory/comments/1xt2fp/poly_masf_repost_lsnfte_definition_and/

And how to apply a Soft Next in better depth than I’m explaning it:

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?5492-How-To-Soft-Next-Step-by-step-instructions-and-answers-to-questions

And click my name to hit my archives and search for “pLTR” and “monogamy is broken”. The key is the radio silence freezeout (ideally it should have been done immediately when she issued the ultimatum, but you should be able to recover)…it’s not an angry thing it’s just like, imagine someone you hung out with stopped bathing and started to smell, you would just naturally be less inclined to invest time in being around them lol To paraphrase a Mystery LMR Freezeout line: “no I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed that you’re bringing me drama like this. I didn’t think you were like the other girls, that was one of the things I liked about you is that you didn’t bring drama into my life…I don’t know, I guess it’s just kind of a turn-off…I value our relationship, but I tend to avoid drama in my life.” like he doesn’t really understand his own feelings and is sorting through them as he’s talking thinking out-loud, then change the subject lol But not explaining works too, it depends on your style.

Every fiber of your being will want to not freeze her out, of course, and you’ll probably fuck it up lol Don’t worry, you’ll learn from it and you aren’t the first and won’t be the last. 😉


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on November 8th, 2015 at 10:32 pm
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@Sun Wukong
“How do you break the internal failure spiral?”

Field Reports.

https://therationalmale.com/2015/10/30/complementarity/comment-page-2/#comment-125819

https://therationalmale.com/2015/10/30/complementarity/comment-page-3/#comment-126031

When you can learn from your blowouts over time they don’t hit you as hard because you stop viewing them as crippling blows to your self-worth and more as learning experiences that will make you better.

When you avoid the available help from an entire community of guys who want to see you succeed, and instead stick to trying to just wing it on your own out there, you’re just going to end up going out aimlessly and crossing your fingers that something good happens. And when you get blown out, you’re not going to really understand why because if you understood why then you wouldn’t have done whatever blew you out in the first place and you’ll attribute it to woo-woo bullshit like “oh it’s probably just my state” that’s out of your control (which exponentially increases the frustration and feeling of helplessness over the situation) when, if you quoted parts of the conversation in a Field Report someone like myself might go “dude, you missed the shit-test here, that’s why she shut down on you, next time just say this instead” that you aren’t aware is even happening.

Don’t be too proud to ask your support network for help…if you could do this on your own you wouldn’t be here in the first place.😉


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@Sun Wukong
“When somebody doesn’t hear your bad joke, you used the opportunity to pull something else out and I didn’t.”

Perfect, you understand where you went wrong and even just writing that down like you just did will help your brain remember it. Like why do people take notes in class and study for exams? Because when it comes down to the pressure of exam time and their brain is freaking out, that process they took of writing down what to do surfaces somewhere in the back of their brain. It sounds silly, like “bro I just made a faux pas, it’s not worth writing it down, I KNOW not to do it” but that dude in class understood what the teacher was writing on the chalkboard when he first read it…but if he had written it down a few more times to sear it into his brain, on the exam he’s more likely to pull it out even if his brain is going haywire.

Even RSDTyler wrote in his 25 Points post:

http://www.rsdnation.com/node/60062

“GOING BACK TO A PRIOR THREAD THAT WAS INTERUPTED AT THE FIRST CHANCE/BREAK-IN-CONVO THAT YOU GET = trying too hard to impress them.. (ie: when a thread gets broken off in the convo, and you go back to it FIRST chance you get when the other topic ends, you look like you were WAITING to get back to it.. WHY are you so eager to get back on it, unless you don’t feel comfortable around the person and you need to qualify yourself to them?) WAIT until THEY say “what was that you were saying before?”, and THEN go back to it.. if it doesn’t happen, DROP IT even if it was good.”

The point being that yes, you already KNOW not to do it, it’s just common social savvy sense, but writing down when you fuck it up helps your brain not choke the next time that situation happens because you’re bombarding your brain with “remember not to fuck this up again the next time we’re staring into the eyes of some hottie”.

In martial arts you know how to throw a punch, we ALL know how to throw a punch, you just swing your fist, and I’ve thrown some punches and watched some YouTube vids and I get the mechanics and I know to throw a punch and I can even throw them on a bag and think to myself “ya, I’m gonna throw a punch when I need to!” And maybe even sparring in a ring I throw them proper.

But in the moment when push comes to shove and some guy is up in my face, am I going to remember to throw that punch if I didn’t do all my drills even if I thought they were redundant and that I already know how to throw a punch? My brain is going to freeze up and rely on instinct and if I haven’t properly reinforced that punch with all those pointless drills, there’s a good chance I’ll choke and not throw it even though I KNOW to throw it…doing drills and writing shit like that down in Field Reports is important.

I’ve literally had conscious thoughts overwrite what I’m doing and hear myself shouting at me in my own head “NO!! QUIT SAYING THIS THING YOU’RE SAYING!! ABORT ABORT CHANGE GEARS AND SAY THIS OTHER THING OR THIS IS GOING TO GO JUST LIKE LAST TIME DID!!” lol

Here’s a personal example that’s been the last 6 months or so of my game: I’ve been working on doing more Comfort with girls because I was getting too far on the pendulum swing into pure Lover mode where I don’t even bother to ask them their name or ANYTHING about themselves and still try to fuck them, and my results were getting inconsistent and flakey from it (especially trying to get Day2’s to meet up, without Comfort forget it lol)…so earlier in the year my buddy was like “dude, you don’t ask these girls ANYTHING, they don’t feel like special snowflakes” and he’s a pro at that Comfort shit so I’m like ok I’ll try this “taking an interest in them” thing. But in-field my brain goes into “in the moment” mode where I’d keep forgetting to do it or get caught up doing other stuff that I’m more used to, basically all logic goes out the window when a girl is staring you down lol So I spent a few months trying to ask them more questions about themselves and build Comfort, but I’d have to keep reminding myself before I go out “ask them questions, ask them questions” and I even sent myself a txt on my phone that says “C/R/P” so that when I check my phone infield I’d see a little “Comfort/Rapport/Passions” reminder that would remind me “oh ya, find out what she’s Passionate about in the next set, ok here we go!” and do it…or I’d be in set getting flirty and then have to shout in my head “STOP!! ASK SOME QUESTIONS!! COMFORT!!!” and transition into a Comfort line.

But I ended up too far on the pendulum swing back the OTHER fuckin way lol so then I started giving off too much Provider vibe where the girls wanted to date me and make me wait for sex, or would only Day2 at a venue instead of just coming over because they wanted to go on a “date”. So the last month or so I’ve been focusing on swinging the pendulum back toward Lover with just a minor dip into Comfort, but I have to consciously remind myself again because once I get in-set my brain just goes into “in the moment” mode. So like, on Halloween I had a girl who was giving enough iois to just make a move on her but I was reverting to all this Comfort shit and I vividly remember shouting to myself in my head (because I wrote this stuff down and discussed it with my buddy a million times etc) “DUDE!! STOP!! TOO MUCH COMFORT SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE OUT DROP THIS SHIT!!” and literally stopped mid-sentence and was like “Nevermind, come here” and made out lol

Like, ya what you did was just a basic random faux pas that can happen to anyone at any time. But writing about it, even if you just keep a personal text file or journal somewhere helps.

“That’s what’s got me feeling like shit about this one: I knew better. I just get flustered if they’re remotely cute, and all my basic conversational skills go out the window.”

Only cure is to fuck up with enough cute girls that your brain says “you know, I’m not DYING from this, it’s really not THAT big a deal, and when I meet this girl again in a week on a day where I’m feeling awesome she’ll love me so why am I so intimidated and losing my train of thought around girls like this?” and has enough reference experiences for you to not get flustered as easily. Not going to get those ref experiences in your apartment😉

This is also why we like to send guys to nightclubs, because there are so many people there and it’s so anonymous that even if you bomb a bunch you can walk out feeling like “well at least no one will ever remember me and I’ll never see any of them again”, VS like, the girl who makes your sandwich at the cafe you always go to for lunch and you say something off and get a bad reaction and now you’re like “oh man, getting my sandwich is going to be so awkward now she’s going to remember that interaction forever I’m such a loser ahhh fuck” lol

“Scarcity mentality biting me in the ass basically.”

I have a buddy (legit PUA) suffering from this right now. He’s going through some tough times (lost a chick he cared about a lot) and is bascially in full scarcity mode…and ironically he’s going out LESS because of it. It’s fascinating that we do that…it’s like “I’m so desperate that I don’t want to risk any bad rejections because my situation will be even BLEAKER than it already is if I get rejected and know there’s ANOTHER girl out there that I won’t be fucking” lol

This is my fav vid on rejection, great reframes here and a lot of field experience (on girls not even remembering your social faux pas, it happens all the time):

And here’s the cheat-sheet process of what we ALL did, especially back in the day and most of us still do this to this day (even on nights where we don’t pull my buddy and I will hit a late night food place and do a breakdown of the entire night and all our sets and go home and run through the night in our head figuring out each set’s good and bad points and how to run them better, and recap during the week before our next night out and discuss any insights or sticking points etc):

You may not have a wingman to bounce thoughts and reports off in real life but you have a bunch of em right here.

@Softek
“It just pissed me off because it felt like it was infringing on my time — bringing drama into my life that I didn’t need. ”

It felt like that because it is EXACTLY that. Society will have conditioned you to feel like you’re being irrational expecting her to not bring you drama or not extort you with Ultimatums but you are 100% justified in feeling like she is in the wrong. Feminists talk about how girls don’t owe you sex just because you date them, well guess what you don’t owe a girl commitment just because you fuck them. She’s doing the exact same thing to you that the chode on a date saying “but I bought you dinner, you OWE me!!!” is doing. It’s literally the same thing with the genders/demands reversed.

So BE pissed off. You’re justified and that’s what helps fuel the Soft Next. No one WANTS to Soft Next a girl they like. Just like no one WANTS to punish their child or dog for misbehaving. But they need you to teach them and it’s for their own good and for the good of both of you, because WHEN she learns her lesson, she’ll come back and eventually, when she realizes that every time she brings you drama you Soft Next her, she’ll stop bringing drama. Or she’ll leave for good to bring some other guy drama and then you’ve saved yourself some hassle lol That’s why you have other girls on the go, so that you have the abundance to let her go if SHE CHOOSED TO NOT BE IN YOUR LIFE.

Because that’s the thing, you’re not kicking her out of your life. You’re enforcing your boundaries/standards and she’s CHOOSING not to respect those and CHOOSING to not be a part of your life as a consequence. She’s welcome to come back and be a part of your life at any time she wants to respect your boundaries, the decision is 100% hers.

Give this a read, it’s about having and enforcing boundaries, it should help your internal frame in this situation:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871

And remember she’s not being MALICIOUS…she’s just wired and programmed to drop this Ultimatum on you. The reality is, day to day she’s perfectly happy with you, that’s why it’s so retarded to you because you’re like “?? I thought we were GOOD? I thought we were having FUN??” But she worries that other girls will replace her. Like I talk about in my post about pLTRs/monogamy (I think I linked it in my last reply), a lot of girls are accepting of you having other girls as long as they know those girls won’t replace them…but most guys don’t set that frame or assuage the girl’s fears of that, they stick to coming off as just a pure player who’s doing the same stuff with other girls that he does with her. A lot of times setting this frame can be as simple as like “it’s weird, I don’t even know why I thought of you when I saw this thing at the bar but I was like “oh god, I have to txt her she’s going to laugh her ass off”. I NEVER txt girls when I’m out. Quit hijacking my brain.” (Mystery loved the “you’re hijacking my brain” line lol) That kind of stuff subtly lets the girl think “I’m winning him over, I’m more special than his other girls” which helps tone down this Ultimatum stuff.

A lot of the Ultimatum is about her not feeling secure. Read my pLTR/monogamy post I linked above, it explains a lot of this dynamic in detail and might give you some ideas on how to handle this situation and manage her feels so she feels a little more secure.

Like part of it is that she’s sailing on a ship with an amazing Captain but doesn’t really know where the Captain is taking the ship and is worried all the other wenches on board have an equal chance to be his First Mate and direct the ship…often just letting her know she’s a little more special than the other girls can help tone this shit down. It’s like how in a relationship if you bring another girl into the bedroom you treat the other girl as a plaything for the two of you, VS as an equal to your girl, so that your girl doesn’t feel like the girl is a threat and doesn’t give you drama. Subtle dynamics, but important.

“She was happy about something and that made me want to see her and share that with her.”

Train her lol Reward her for good behavior, take away your attention for bad behavior. When I notice a girl who’s been overly negative for a while bring something positive to the table I’ll tell her flat out “it’s cute when you’re this happy. You’ve been a fucking downer lately, every time you txt I’m like “oh god what is she bitching about NOW??” and don’t even want to check my txts…THIS is the bubbly happy girl I remember meeting. We should go for drinks this week.” Shit like that helps let her know look when you’re shitty I don’t want to be around you, if you want to stay in my life or have me pro-actively arrange us hanging out I’m going to do it when you bring good energy to the table.

And it’s fine to have that expectation and enforce it, like I talk about in my enforcing boundaries comment I just linked above. She SHOULD be bringing good energy to the table, I don’t ask much from women: be hot, bring good energy, fuck good, and don’t bring drama. That’s it. When I bring EVERYTHING ELSE to the table. If she can’t bring those 4 things then she doesn’t get to be a part of my life…she’s welcome back any time she brings those 4 things to the table again, and I hope she DOES bring them so I can have her back in my life because I like her, but my boundaries and personal happiness come first even if society would call me selfish for it. Society is miserable lol

“She actually did go on a few dates early on with other guys. She told me about them and said every time she was on a date, she just thought about me and missed me and wished she was with me instead of them.”

In my pLTR/monogamy comment link I talk about how I actually think it’s GOOD for a girl to go on the occasional date because when she’s 100% not allowed to interact with other men, they all seem like mysterious high-value badasses because every guy puts on a front. It’s like Facebook, everyone puts up their best pictures and most amazing adventures and shit, but it’s all a front. If you get to know that same person you find out they spent their Saturday eating leftover pizza in their boxers watching cat videos on YouTube. But if you’re never allowed to see that person on a lazy Saturday, you’ll never know they’re just a normal often not that amazing person, you’ll just think they’re a badass high-value badass.

Letting a girl go on a couple lame Tinder dinner dates can do wonders for her appreciating what you offer compared to other men lol

The key is the radio silence. If you’re txting her and all weepy over her or giving her attention and she’s going on dates and you’re txting her like “I miss you babe, what are you up to?” etc that’s going to make the other guy look better because you’re showing your scarcity.

But if you do something like “Look, I can see you’re not really sure about us. I like you, I’ve told you that, and you should know by now that you’re more important to me than other girls I’m seeing…do you think I let other girls stay overnight or cuddle up and watch movies and talk about our lives and shit? No, half of them are annoying as fuck, I just like variety. But I don’t want to make you feel bad and maybe you need a guy who can spend every single night with you and txt you all day about what he ate for lunch and send you xoxo kisses in the morning on your way to work and shit. I love what we have right now, but ultimately I want you to be happy so I think we should take a break.” and then radio silence her for a month, like, ANY guy she goes out with is going to seem terrible to her because you’ve taken away the prize on a high note (VS her tossing you away, or you letting her still have access to the prize). So it’s like, you’re setting the frame of go try other guys but when you’re trying them you won’t get access to me so it’s an either/or choice you don’t get access to me AND other guys, and like 90% of the time she’ll choose you because your radio silence sabotages those other guys.

Personal example: I was on a Day2 with a chick who had just been Soft Nexted by some bottom of the barrel type dude (I googled him lol), like way below her status objectively. BUT, he did a proper Soft Next freezeout on her. We were making out at the bar and I was just about to pull her home, like it was 100% on, and her phone lights up with his name and I swear to god she WELLED UP IN TEARS just seeing it. She blubbered out that he hadn’t txted her in 2 weeks and she’s been waiting so long for him to call her and give her another chance etc etc Day2 sabotaged completely lol

If that guy had been still txting her, we probably would’ve fucked, and if he hadn’t txted we probably would’ve fucked, but he took away all his attention so abruptly that the entire time she was with me she was thinking about him to the point where all it took was seeing his name on her phone, she doesn’t even know he might be calling to say “hey fuck you bitch I still hate you gimme my stuff back” but like, that’s all it took to kaibosh the whole thing. Even if I HAD fucked her (and remember I know what I’m doing, an average guy probably wouldn’t have been able to bang her when she’s thinking about her freezing out boyfriend the whole time cause most guys on dates are fucking chodes lol), she would have immediately bailed on me for him a few days or weeks later when he contacted her.

Most guys are so lame on dates that it’s almost unbearable…one of Tyler’s tactics back in the day when he’d travel was to pick a fight and break up with girls before he left town so that the month he was gone she would be too obsessed with trying to get his attention back to bother fucking other guys lol So like I say, the key is taking away your attention…in that void, other guys will seem even lamer than they are and just the fact that you’re willing to let her go makes you high-value abundant to her etc etc all good sub-comms.

“But this LSNFTE thing is news to me. Never heard of it before. Something I’m going to have to brace myself for.”

It’s SUPER common. Literally any fuckbuddy or LTR/multiple-LTR/pLTR/openLTR/etc you have will do it. It’s instinct for them. They want security and if you won’t provide it they’ll try to find it elsewhere. But like I explain in my pLTR stuff, if you can give her enough security despite having other girls, you can sometimes exploit the loophole to avoid this.

“I’ve been sticking to my guns and maintaining my self-interest. And she’s been responding to it — BIG TIME. I can’t believe it. She actually told me tonight how much it turned her on that I was so assertive.”

Yup. If you caved you would get her, and you’d have a couple months of great sex, followed by her brain realizing how you caved on all your principles and values and beliefs and pedestalized her out of scarcity and then she dries right up.

It’s funny, girls are like “I hate when you do that” and then fuck you, and guys look at her words and say “oh I better change then” instead of her actions and go “who cares what she says, what I’m doing has her fucking me lol”

But a LITTLE bit of special snowflake stuff like I talk about in my pLTR shit, could help ease the Ultimatum pressure up a bit if you want to see her long-term. But her saying flat out that it turns her on tells me that you only want to do VERY MINOR special snowflake, like the “hijacked my brain” stuff…any MORE than that is going to be too much and turn her off. Like you want her to feel 1% better than the other girls, not like 50% better lol Just a tiny sliver, that’s why really subtle comments like “huh, it’s weird, I never actually fall asleep with girls in my bed, like I’m always thinking “ugh when is she leaving” or drifting in and out of sleep but for some reason with you I just pass out completely, that’s fuckin WEIRD” like it pisses you off and makes you uncomfortable that she’s “special” lol Like literally just little things like that every couple months could be enough to maintain things.

The key to remember is that SHE’S HAPPY WITH HOW THINGS ARE. It’s just her social conditioning telling her that she shouldn’t be. But day to day when you two hang out she’s on cloud fucking 9. So don’t think of this stuff as manipulating her into giving you what you want and she’s suffering because she REALLY wants a monoLTR but you’re USING her, that’s all bullshit. The reality is she wouldn’t be happy with you being fully monoLTR with her, she just doesn’t realize that because girls don’t understand their own attraction/brains. She would get you and then lose interest and have no idea that she lost interest BECAUSE she got you. Mystery’s “cat-string theory” in action (google it). So it BENEFITS her AND you for you to hold your frame and to manage this situ in a way where you don’t compromise your values and she gets to be with a high-value man who doesn’t compromise his values.

“It’s also good to know I’m not the first and won’t be the last. What’s most mind blowing is how mapped out this stuff is at this point. It all adds up.”

That’s why I got into the game. I read all this stuff by these internet nerds and was like “holy shit that explains every experience with women I’ve ever had, and when I go out and do the things these guys are telling me to do these random women are behaving EXACTLY the way they told me they would, wtf sorcery is this???” This is why we just roll our eyes at guys with oneitis…because to that guy it FEELS like his situation is “different” and “special” but in reality everything you’ve ever experienced has been experienced by tens of thousands of other guys and in game communities (and even MRAs, MGTOWs, etc) we’ve all just compiled notes and noticed patterns lol

Like I just wrote a bunch of shit to Sun Wukong, and he might feel like his situation is special/different and his suffering is special/different but the reality is tens of thousands of other dudes have gone through his exact same problems and sticking points and bad nights and it’s all just part of the process. Ideally just knowing that it’s not a unique situation helps a guy feel like “okay, maybe this isn’t hopeless then, if all these other guys have gone through this then I’ll make it through”


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on November 9th, 2015 at 12:24 am
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@Softek
And Tyler on creating the type of relationships you want (he has multiple pLTRs that bang other girls with him lol):


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@Sun Wukong
Vent some shit, or we’re all gonna just keep throwing random guesses about your situation and mental state at you.

We’re all taking guesses ’cause we all wanna help ya if we can, even if that’s just helping sort out your thoughts. Do it in private if you don’t want to air dirty laundry in public.

“There’s a good chance you didn’t understand things well enough to make a good choice. That’s where my trying to be fair with myself about past mistakes comes from.”

Like Tyler says, that first half of your life you were just a leaf blowing in the wind, you can’t really hold yourself responsible for a lot of shit back then. How the fuck were you supposed to know better, all of society was feeding you shitty information. Once you even find the red pill it can take years to swallow it and even when you swallow it you have 20-30+ years of bad wiring and habits and mindsets to unwire just to start rewiring it into something awesome. None of that shit is your fault…can’t get mad at a dog for pooping on the couch when it doesn’t know it’s not supposed to lol

But we’re all just guessing and projecting until you lay it out there, even if it’s just in E-Mail to one of the guys here you trust.

http://lovelace-media.imgix.net/uploads/135/5284b6b0-3541-0132-09cc-0eae5eefacd9.gif?


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aw my image didn’t post.😦 now it’s just awkward. lol


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@lh @CaveClown
“That’s one of the reasons why I think “Hypergamy” isn’t very useful to understand women and how to deal with it. Of course you aren’t really better than before. Right now you are just pushing the right buttons”

The nuance most guys don’t understand is that Hypergamy isn’t just about “who’s the best looking, richest, most alpha badass James Bond she thinks she can get”, it’s “who’s giving her the emotions she needs”. He IS better than before because even though he hasn’t changed in terms of external attributes, his behavior of IDGAF is now giving her the emotional rollercoaster she’s needed (but society has socially conditioned men to not provide or to feel ashamed/apologetic for providing).

So Hypergamy does apply, but you have to be looking at the right channels of “what is high value to a woman”? And when you just look through society’s channels (looks, money, etc) it doesn’t make sense that a chick dating some rich good-looking guy would fuck the scrubby badboy poolboy who makes her tingle. But when you understand her rich good-looking husband acts is too agreeable or in scarcity and the poolboy teases her or even picks fights with her and smooths them over etc, it makes perfect sense via Hypergamy, because that poolboy is providing her REAL value.

Again this is why I stress guys don’t get caught up in looks, money, etc. because it can put them on a wrong path where they think “I don’t get it, I’m losing attraction, maybe I need BETTER looks and MORE money since those are attractive!!”

When what women ACTUALLY value are the emotions you make them FEEL, and they want to feel a full RANGE of emotions (again no one goes to a movie where there’s no conflict, we pay money to go see horror flicks and shit, no one would read 50 Shades of Grey if the guy was a Nice Guy instead of a tortured bad boy, the entire basis of Twilight is “if we get together I’ll end up killing you” lol).

“Why all of a sudden am I “good enough”?”

Right now CaveClown is giving his wife some dread from his IDGAF attitude and a rollercoaster of emotions, so NOW he’s triggering her Hypergamy properly…it’s funny how just a little mental shift like that can have such an effect when all the years of toiling away trying to earn her affection through the wrong channels does nothing or even pushes her away if it comes off too desperate. But when you understand “oh, you know what, it’s not my looks, it’s that I’m not treating her in the way her biology needs me to treat her” it’s like “well shit, that was a big waste of years of frustration” lol LITERALLY all you had to do, all this time, was change your mindset which changes your behaviors which provides her with the shit she needs…but you couldn’t possibly have KNOWN that because society will condition you into not knowing or believing it, or believing the opposite, and send you down a bunch of wrong channels.

You can have all the looks, money, etc in the world but if you aren’t providing her the range of emotions and occasional emotional rollercoasters she needs, you will lose attraction and she will fuck the guy who provides those, even if he’s some scrubby chubby asshole at the bar on a girl’s night out.

Why do we Soft Next a girl who’s misbehaving instead of just “convincing” her to behave better? Because radio silence and the fear of loss gives her an emotional rollercoaster that having a big long logical discussion about the situation doesn’t give her. Women run on their feels, game should be teaching you how to understand and affect those feels.

@theasdgamer @CaveClown
“YaReally wrote up above that some women prefer to be treated this way. Maybe your wife is one of them.”

lol probably not, those girls are pretty rare and he wouldn’t have survived marrying one if she was one lol What’s happening for him is more just that he’s shifted entirely and she’s trying to re-figure him out. It’s like she’s had a Rubick’s Cube solved for however many years they’ve been together and it’s been collecting dust and she’s lost interest but she walked into the room the other day and the Rubick’s Cube is sitting on her desk completely jumbled up again and she’s like “wait what??” and suddenly her interest in solving it is renewed.

@SJF
lol thanks I am retarded

@CaveClown
“But noooo, all the female attention I had earlier in our marriage didn’t mean shit.”

An interesting dynamic my buddy observed as he went through a long dragged out breakup where his girl lost interest, is that when she was fully attracted to him in his prime, even girls that were just friendly with him she would be like “wow that girl was flirting SO HARD with you omg!!!” all jealous and attracted to him. But when she lost attraction for him, a girl could throw herself at him in front of her and she’d be like “huh? She was flirting? I dunno I think she was just being nice.”

That dynamic is probably based in solipsism (“if I don’t find him attractive, other girls must not…if I find him attractive, other girls must”).

Don’t get too mad at her, she’s not making conscious malicious decisions, she’s just running 100% on her biology (like the Freudian “id”). It’s just that until now you didn’t understand how it worked. Now that you DO, I mean, you’re in for an interesting time lol Welcome to the first stages of having a sense of control over your situation. 🙂

@Jimmeh
Holy shit that title picture I fuckin died lolol Click my username for the auto-updating archive. Happy to have helped, go forth and live awesome

@Andy
“My husband is out of town on business!”

When they get flustered and just randomly blurt out that they have a boyfriend/husband/etc like that, it usually means (assuming you had iois/attraction which it sounds like you did) they’re thinking about fucking you and their ASD kicked in and said “girl you’re thinkin some BAD thoughts, you better be a good girlfriend and mention your man or you’re a SLUT!!” and it comes out all random and uncalibrated lol

@lh
“@Cave: That’s why I advice to give up the idea it’s about “value”.”

Again I would stress that it’s still about value, but it’s about the right KIND of value. And that’s emotional impact, NOT your external attributes. That’s why legit pimps (like the sketchy kind) and abusive husbands and shit aren’t all badass 6-pack ab dudes, a lot of them are just sleazebags but the girls come running back to them and even pass up better looking nicer better-for-them guys to chase those dudes, because those guys make more emotional impact on the girl and that’s what’s high-value to her.

When you view this all through the social conditioning of “looks and money are attractive”, a lot of shit is all questions marks and inconsistent results, because while theoretically guys with looks and money are a girl’s best bet at a glance at which guys, according to hollywood stereotypes, are LIKELY to give them that emotional impact they need, in reality the guys with looks and money who don’t give them emotional impact are wood to the girl. That’s why a good looking-guy wearing a suit can still end up Forever Alone if he’s a Nice Guy who doesn’t give her emotional impact, and the scrubby asshole who’s literally bitching out an HB9 in front of her friends can end up fucking her.

Women value emotions, that’s why so many of them love curling up with a copy of 50 Shades and shit over just watching a good looking dude BDSM’ing a girl on pornhub. Emotional impact.


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“Like intentionally making her cry just so I can get some makeup sex? Then telling her later that I forgive her for what she did? (which was actually my fault)”

One of my current girls purposely picks fights with me just so we can have makeup sex. She’s flat out admitted it lol They love the emotional rollercoaster ride…that’s why there’s that movie trope where the two main characters are fighting then the guy just grabs her and kisses her and they have crazy sex.

That said, it’s when you have ATTRACTION…if you DON’T have it then it’s like a homeless guy grabbing her lol You have attraction, even if she’s angry with you. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.

“Or pushing her away when she tries to cuddle, then later pulling her close?”

This is just classic push/pull. Standard PUA/game tactics.

“Or telling her to text me something entertaining, and then ignoring said text? (you know, just for a few hours)”

lol ya again this is just emotional rollercoaster stuff and push/pull etc etc I had a chick send me pics of her slutty Halloween costume then just ignored her for a day, the hamster went through the stratosphere. You’re accidentally running solid game here, that’s why you’re getting more attraction. 🙂

Julien has a TON of stuff on this, most guys are like “oh that’s just to GET the girl” but as you’re finding out, while you can tone it down a lot more in an actual LTR, it’s still something women NEED:

@Rollo
“Dread works. And I think it because it works it creates a conflict in men because it shouldn’t work. It goes against every equalist lesson they’ve ever learned about women.”

That’s why guys can’t get mad at themselves for not knowing. EVERYTHING in society has told them “happy wife, happy life” and EVERYTHING in society tries to condition men to just appease women as much as possible and never cause her bad emotions…meanwhile those women are all watching Twilight and reading 50 Shades and yapping away about “this asshole at work, he’s SUCH a jerk!!” and ending up fucking that guy a few months later, and NO ONE CAN SEE WHAT’S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM lol

Because if men en masse understood this? Fucking CHAOS. It’s better for society for men to just follow society’s plan for them and be docile harmless depressed sheep that numb their brains with Netflix every night and just go do their job, contribute to the economy, provide for a wife and kids, be locked into a legal arrangement that keeps them there, and just accept the lack of sex in their life and pass the time until they die. That produces and raises 2.5 kids who grow up to do the same and this all keeps society functioning.

And if we just ignore the male suicide rate and keep men from gathering to discuss their issues and shame them for discussing their lives, we can keep that going. But then the Internet came along and guys started talking and comparing notes…

“lh is correct, you still wont be good enough, because the same Hypergamous doubt that inspires her Dread at your leaving is the doubt that makes you less than optimal when you stick around.”

This is relevant to Softek’s situation with the Ultimatum and LSNFTE, as he is now he’s triggering her Hypergamy/Dread (though he can soften that very slightly as I described), but if he caves to the Ultimatum and becomes exclusively monogamous, he’s showing her he needs her and after a couple months of New Relationship Energy fun times, her Hypergamy says “hmmm, that’s not the high-value guy I used to like” and she starts looking at branches.

@Andy
“She has gotten boring. I think I need to cut TV off completely and give her something mentally stimulating to read so I don’t have to listen to another story about the latest coupon app that gives you money for taking pictures of receipts.”

Most women, especially attractive ones, ARE boring. They have no reason to be interesting. Just like a dog has no reason to be able to do your taxes for you. Have male friends for stimulating conversation. Women are for sex lol that’s why a guy who’s not getting any from his GF/wife needs to do something about his situation, because that’s her primary value really…otherwise you’re just roommates and usually she’s not an interesting roommate.

It’s not that women CAN’T be interesting, but that they have no real incentive TO be. I COULD be an amazing guitarist probably, but I don’t have any real incentive to pick up a guitar so I don’t even know how to play. Someone expecting me to be able to play is in for disappointment and should hang out with other musicians when they want to jam.

@CaveClown
“I’ve been told numerous times that looking at other chicks is cheating. Same as if I dicked them. Cheating in my heart and all that. If I was truly into her I wouldn’t even be attracted to other women. Haven’t heard that since I went IDGAF.”

lol just societal bullshit to weed out the beta guys who fall for it from the alpha guys who give no fucks. You were falling for it before, but now you can fix that by working on your mindsets. Look at her actions, not what she says.

@lh
“But my point was this idea of value is alien to men. We don’t value the rollercoaster. So to think about it in terms of “value” you first have to enter female thinking only to apply the male concept of “value” on it. That’s super inefficient and it can lead to the confusions you pointed out.”

ehhh I don’t know about this. I think it’s important to give the guy the proper full information and then let the guy himself decide on how he wants to digest/interpret it (VS telling him to not bother with Hypergamy etc). Like, Hypergamy is an IMPORTANT concept, and it fully explains this when you understand women’s value system. The idea is to long-term fix men, not just quick-fix get them some BJs temporarily, you know? Fully understanding the concept is going to pay off long-term.

“Women need to be trained and that is how to train and treat them. No idea of “value” needed.”

I don’t disagree, like I get what you’re saying is basically “why not tell him to just push the peddle on the bike, he doesn’t need to worry about how the gears and chain work to turn the wheels”, but I think it’s a slippery slope into simplifying the information too much and making it too surface level to approach it that way. If he wants to just skim the info that’s cool, or a person could provide a quick summary of it, but like, fully understanding the dynamics of what’s going on is important for explaining the past and helping him in the future.

“May I ask for more written Game ideas instead of just posting videos?”

I wish, but I’m poor and don’t get paid for this shit and already spend way too much time writing as it is lol the guys in these videos explain concepts way better than I do half the time and a lot of what I’m writing is the exact same stuff they’re saying.


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Rich buff bodybuilding dot com CEO Ryan Deluca:

https://instagram.com/ryandeluca123/

CEO, “Only thing better than one Tesla? Two Teslas. ;)”, travels the world “my goal is to be out of town 40+ weekends a year”, drinking Cristal he “bought in Reims, France where it’s made” on a jet he chartered while his usual plane is getting its annual maintenance done.

………whoops lol:

Guess he should’ve gotten a little more jacked, or a bit lower bodyfat percent, or made enough money to buy a THIRD Tesla.

“Cliffs:

-Ryan Deluca broke up with gf
-Gf goes to Cali and gets smashed by Dan Blizerian
-Gf and Ryan Deluca get back together
-Ryan Deluca finds Dan Blizerian’s number in gf’s phone while on vacation in Spain, and texts Dan Blizerian
-Dan Blizerian posts pic of sloot on his bed with sniper rifle, with caption saying I smashed your sloot in ***** sandals, and tags Ryan Deluca
-Ryan Deluca’s IG is flooded with lulz
-Ryan Deluca deletes recent IG picture with sloot
-Ryan Deluca make IG account private
-Ryan Deluca deletes all pictures with sloot
-Ryan Deluca changes IG account name
-Ryan Deluca responds by saying he will get more IG followers by doing “good”
-Ryan Deluca posts Dan Blizerian’s phone number
-Ryan Deluca is typical Miscer when it comes to sloots”

“From looking at Ryan’s instagram, it looks like he bought her a $150,000 car just 6 weeks ago, and now says he’s going to give it away lol”

What probably happened is that the girl did a cost analyses of their assets, she totalled up their net worth and did a bunch of math factoring in the cost of the Teslas and calculating exactly who has more money. Or maybe she analyzed their muscles and bodyfat % and noticed that Dan has larger muscles, which makes up for him dressing like crap and not wearing nice fitted button-down shirts like Ryan does because that’s definitely a big attraction hit…Dan is apparently like 5’9″ too so eww gross (although it looks like Ryan is 5’7″ NO WONDER SHE DUMPED HIM WHAT A MANLET EWW!!). Or maybe she saw Dan Bilzerian’s instagram and thought “this guy will definitely commit to me, he seems like a good father figure and a smart investment on my part” and made a smart rational non-emotional decision.

Or, you know:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=dan+bilzerian+women&tbm=isch

Maybe it just comes down to being fun, having Game, and understanding that women are emotional creatures running on emotional decisions in the moment, chasing guys who understand the value of preselection and other Game concepts.

No matter how jacked, rich, etc you get there will always be someone more focused in those areas who’s bigger or richer or has more Teslas than you.

But very few guys understand Game to the depths that PUA/RP can provide you. You can compete on THAT level…’cause THIS is how a rich CEO with 2 Teslas drinking Cristal on his private jet who SHOULD be a badass alpha responds to some guy banging his about-as-hot-as-a-normal-hot-college-girl ex:

…lol

In conclusion:

P.S. I’m not even a super-fan of Bilzerian, but there’s no denying that he knows exactly what he’s doing with social media in relation to game…he’s created a self-fueling cycle of pussy, girls see him with girls and want to fuck him, he throws a little party and invites them, they end up on his Instagram and bring in new girls. You can do something similar on a smaller scale in your city purely through socializing and building connections and networking.

In fact I’m going to LITERALLY hand you the gameplan for becoming your local nightlife’s Dan Blizerian:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/12/#comment-heartiste-397072

It costs zero dollars and requires minimal time investment and can be done anywhere in the world at any time, all alone by your lonesome self in a city where you don’t know anyone and don’t have any friends or wingmen. Contact-close people and throw in the occasional “throwing a party (make up some BS reason) at Bar Name next week, it’s going to be sick” and invite everyone, 75% of them won’t show up but the 25% that do work as social proof for you for the rest of them, introduce and connect everyone as well as bringing in new people that night and merging everyone into a huge set where you’re the social connector. Then if you have the space for it, throw out a “hey I’m throwing a party next week” and invite all the women you know and just the cool guys you’ve met and either party at home or pregame there then move everyone to a nearby bar (because you live near the bars, right?).

Take pics and throw all this shit on a separate Facebook (ie – not your family/work one) or Instagram and you’re basically a mini Dan Bilzerian. Nothing I’ve described there isn’t anything that literally ANY guy can do. You could go out this weekend and start it if you wanted to. The only major advantage Dan’s money gives him is access, he can fly girls from around the world to his parties and he can provide a bunch of booze and drugs and shit and he’s friends with celebs so he can get easier access to smokin hot girls whereas a guy who isn’t at least a minor celebrity will just have to hit the pavement and approach or merge forward into sets with hot girls in them…a slower process but if you don’t have money it’s a lot faster than working your ass off for years to become a millionaire.

You could follow this plan and live a lifestyle of abundance and you didn’t need a Tesla, or a jacked 6-pack or an Armani suit. All you needed was an understanding of Game and social dynamics and a few hours a week of effort…you could be swimming in social circle pussy in under a year and could do it without it costing you a dime, except a few bucks cover to get into some bars (until you got to know the bouncers and started getting in for free).

Work smarter, not harder. 😉

@CaveClown
“One other thing with her, I am just BORED AS FUCK with her body. I’m gonna eat the same fucking meal for dinner every night for the rest of my life…what was I thinking?”

Fucking lol This is literally one of the big reasons I won’t do monoLTRs. If the chick is amazing and like, I want to settle down and she’s good motherly wifey material and all I could maybe do a pLTR (with no legal contracts)…but I need variety. After the New Relationship Energy wears off it’s just like, the same sex over and over because you both know eachother’s bodies and what gets eachother off so it’s like no more mystery or unpredictability…some guys are cool with that and say the sex gets better the better you know eachother but I haven’t found that to be the case, I’ve found the opposite it gets more boring and routine to me. And her body is going to get WORSE over time…mine will too, but I don’t care, I have the dominance and Game etc to still turn her on, but once she’s sagging and wrinkled and starts hitting menopause and shit it’s like wtf do I do if my dick still works, just go back to looking up porn every night like I’m a 23yo virgin again, hoping my old man dick stops working so I’m not as tempted by the hotties walking by? No thanks lol

But then, I may die before I have my chance to reproduce and end up being evolutionary failure. So there’s that lol Maybe that’s part of why I write all this shit, just incase I fuck up and die before I pass on my genes, at least my writing can help other guys have a better shot at popping out kids. God I’m so noble lol


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Julien on hitting on lower SMV girls:

Lot of valuable shit in this one. Here’s the TV show set he’s describing where he uses this merging forward stuff:

I’ve toned down the social proof stuff like this because I’m keeping a low profile right now (in work mode for a couple years till I’m not poor anymore lol so no time to maintain the circus of big social circles right now), but every guy should understand how to do this and experiment with it. And I’ll still bust it out on nights where I feel like making some chaos or on solo nights.


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@Blaximus
“After a while, guys like Roosh don’t really even know what it is that they want, because going through the motions for so long, without understanding what was truly happening in their heads, has caused a confusion that even settling down will never ” cure “. You give Roosh what you and I have and ultimately he still won’t be satisfied. He may be irreversibly broken.”

Roosh’s problem isn’t that he hasn’t met “the right girl”, it’s like you say, he doesn’t even know what he wants. Part of why PUA stresses building cold approach skills so much is that yes you can go to a foreign country and just bang whatever sits beside you, and yes you can bang girls in your social circle WAY easier than cold approaching strangers…but when you go those routes you don’t really have CHOICE. You can only choose from convenient girls who happen to have easy logistics or do a lot of the work for you and you’re limiting your choice significantly…so you can end up in situations where you bang a dozen girls but none of them were really your “type” and you’re still frustrated thinking about the 9 you didn’t approach that one night 2 months ago who was giving you eyes but was in a mixed set so you stuck with the “okay” girl that was already talking to you because you didn’t develop the skillset to use that girl as a pivot to enter that mixed set, run proper group theory, and have a shot at getting that 9 that you wanted.

It’s like how a lot of Natural players that hate the girls they fuck are usually the ones who just fuck anything convenient because they just want to get laid (whether it’s high sex drive or ego investment). Part of why I skip around with a smile on my face is that while ya there are girls here and there that I’m like “wow this bitch is crazy”, most of the girls I get I screen VERY HEAVILY for very specific traits that I like and expect from women. Some are personality traits like a bubbly optimistic personality VS the jaded bitter cynical type (aka young fun chicks instead of old cranky 28+yo’s lol), and some are physical traits like a girl who does her makeup, takes care of her nails, dresses sexy etc instead of frumping around like a mess spouting “if you don’t appreciate me at my worst–” nonsense.

So while a Natural will probably get laid more than me, the girls in my life are pretty much all girls where I’m like “I ENJOY being around this chick, and I WANT to have her over again, and I legitimately wish her the best if we aren’t together because I’ve screened for a reasonably good person in general”. But I’m able to find those girls because I studied actual oldschool PUA tactics that taught me to screen for those girls and pull them out of bigger sets and approach them ice cold with no Approach Invites and turn around girls who give me shit-tests instead of Next’ing them if they give me any minor tests etc.

I don’t think pickup has ever really made Roosh happy, because realistically while he’s got some moves to approach solo girls in Europe and everything, he’s really never had much more control over the girls he ends up with than the average guy who’s chasing social circle girls.

But now he’s made himself into a cult leader where he has to stick to his methods because he views himself as the father of TRP instead of as a student, and now he’s hoping that 1) he’ll randomly hit the jackpot and one of these girls will just happen to be a unicorn but he doesn’t have the skills to really hunt for them so they’re all just going to disappoint and frustrate him, and 2) if he brings back a traditional gender roles those girls he’s getting that aren’t what he wants will become what he wants by forcing the square peg into the round hole.

He’s in for a lot more frustration. There are tons of guys like this out there. It’s a big part of why a lot of Naturals settle with fucked up damaged chicks…they get tired of all the chaos of taking the convenient girls and all the drama and shit that goes along with that and they find one that’s just slightly better than the others and think “oh man, finally a unicorn, I’m going to settle down into that traditional relationship/marriage thing and we’ll live happily ever after with 2.5 kids and the white pickett fence as she holds my hand on my deathbed”. Then that girl turns out to be fucked up and it’s not that she really changed, it’s that she was never properly screened in the first place because he didn’t really develop the skillset to properly screen them.

It’s why pickup stresses having and enforcing boundaries and shit so much. It’s important…you should be ABLE to turn down sex from a girl that isn’t hitting the checkmarks on your “things I want in a woman” list. Even if you still fuck her and just keep her at arm’s length, you should still have developed that ability to be like “nope, you don’t get to be a deeper part of my life”, and ideally also develop the skills to meet more women in more situations so that you have more options to screen.

@Geek Freak
“I have to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your advice.

“I was raised to believe that red-pillers were people who just spouted politically-incorrect bullshit and that their theory of everything involved the mentality of being misogynistic pigs.”

See Rollo’s new article about the Purple Pill. 😉 Society doesn’t want you to look at the TRP because it makes so much fucking sense when you DO…so they shun it and hate on it so that guys like you go “I would never read those misogynistic assholes’ ideas!” and never look into it for yourself and go “wow this explains so much of my life experiences holy shit”. They want to keep you in the dark because if you’re in the dark and just do as you’re told you’ll provide for a wife (who doesn’t put out, while you’re miserable and possibly end up divorced paying alimony and child support) and kids (who don’t respect you because you’re a full Blue Pill pushover chode who can’t even handle your own wife let alone the household) and work that job that you have too many responsibilities in taking care of that family to quit for something that makes you happier or to just bail on the whole situation etc etc You may end up offing yourself, but society earns a woman who’s taken care of and a couple of kids who will grow up to do the same thing you and your wife did and keep society going.

“After reading tons of your stuff, it hit me like a ton of bricks.”

The reason TRP/PUA/etc holds up is that it’s not theory. It’s like telling someone “water is wet” when they’ve been told it’s dry their whole lives but they can’t figure out why whenever they’re splashed with this dry water their clothes feel wet. Then assholes like me come along and go “dude, it’s beacuse water is fucking WET, duh” and the guy is like “holy SHIT, that makes WAY more sense” lol That’s why they can’t DEBATE us, they have to cover it up and get guys like you to not even LOOK at it because you start looking at it, it starts making sense, and then you’re down the rabbithole.

That’s why I say when TRP guys go on news interviews and Dr Oz (lol) and shit, the goal isn’t to convince the person they’re debating, that person and the hosts and mainstream Blue Pill audience etc don’t WANT to be corrected, they don’t WANT their view of reality challenged. Nothing you say will convince them. But the audience in those situations is the unsatisfied husband passing by the couch his fat wife is sitting on watching the interview and hating on him, while he silently nods his head at the points the guy is making and goes and types in “what is the red pill” in Google and starts his journey.

“I cannot yet accept the new reality that has opened up before me. I almost refuse to believe it. I hope that through venturing and moving on step-by-step that I can finally break this invisible plateau that has concerned me and my life for the past 2-3 years and finally accept it so as to improve.”

It’ll take a while. It’s a long process. You have an entire lifetime of literally EVERYONE and EVERYTHING around you feeding you shitty data and setting up bad wiring in your head…and you’ll want to hold onto it because it’s FAMILIAR, even if it’s not in your best interests or doesn’t hold up, it’s the only thing you’ve known so your brain will hold a death grip on a lot of that shit until it gets flat out unavoidable proof of these concepts. Like how Softek is having his mindblown by this chick reacting exactly the way we told him she would, and we know she’ll react that way because we’ve all gone through that shit and dealt with girls like that or have compared notes from other guys who’ve dealt with that shit and what he’s going through is fully explainable but he may not have accepted it fully until he experienced it first-hand.

This is why we make guys go out and socialize and go chat up girls in the bar and shit…the field will shove this all in your face and make it undeniable. Sitting in your armchair waxing philosophical will only get you so far…your brain needs to SEE this shit. But once you DO see “the matrix”, the sense of control you start to gain over the world around you is amazing. Blue Pill conditioning will make you feel like a leaf floating in the wind bouncing around from unexplainable situation to “don’t talk about that” situation to “you’re a misogynist if you think that” situation while all you want is some consistent fucking answers so you can figure out wtf to do with your life. The Red Pill is clarity.

And happy to have helped, you and the other lurkers etc are the guys I write for.

@Blaximus
“I love my wife and plan to be with her until death do us part. I am not, however, under any illusions that she is in any way ” the one ” or a ” soul-mate “. It is possible ( but unlikely ) that I could go home tonight and find all of my belongings on the lawn and the locks changed Lol… I would be bummed, but not destroyed. I’m with her, and she with me, by choice. Nothing special or magical involved. We do pretty good together.”

I think this is the only healthy way to approach long-term relationships in 2015. If I decide to settle down someday, it will be with the full acceptance that she can leave at any time, just like I accept with my fuckbuddies etc. Just understanding that and not banking my entire life around the idea that a ring on her finger will make her magically love and appreciate me (and suck my dick) forever will give me a huge leg up over most guys I figure lol

@SJF
That was a great story. But just the first half lol I can’t relate to the second half, I can’t get my dick hard for a wrinkled sagging raisin lol I GET it, like for some guys it’s all “those wrinkly sagging tits fed my baby and that somehow gives me an erection” but I’m a visual guy, I grew up in the Internet Porn era, I need visuals. I could respect, love, admire, and even provide for and take care of, an old wrinkled wife that raised my kids and earned all her wrinkles and scars and missing teeth and shit, but my dick needs sexy bitches lol That’s why I think a pLTR, if we can figure out a way to have and raise kids in one, is ideal…your baby mama gets the benefit of being your Primary so even when she gets wrinkly and old you still care about her and provide for her and appreciate her for her role in your life, buuuuut you still have some hot young Secondary poon on the side to bone so your dick is happy. She gets a guy who keeps his game up so he stays attractive (and she’s probably too old to want sex anymore anyway) and you get a solid baby mama who knows she doesn’t have to worry about being tossed aside for some Secondary poon because she earned your loyalty.

That’s the way I think things will head at least, if we can get enough guys experimenting with pLTRs and comparing notes.

My point is though that I don’t buy into the flowery “the longer you’re together the better the sex is” notion. And it’s not that I haven’t had good sex, I’ve had fucking incredible sex with crazy sexual chemistry etc over the years lol And I’ve had LTR sex, and to me LTR sex gets boring and her SMV just starts going down and I want better for my dick. Lena Dunham could raise my kids and build us all a house and shed a bunch of tears over me but it still won’t make my dick hard for this:

And I don’t think that in general guys should be shamed or condescended to for feeling the same way lol Maybe shit was different in the pre-porn age, but right now guys are growing up looking at hundreds of thousands of different porn chicks over their lifetime, and Game is giving them the skillset to GET a variety of girls, and girls are swiping left and right on Tinder riding the carousel and not even WANTING commitment these days, so I think more and more men are going to end up like me where they WANT and ENJOY that variety over some chick from their little 300 person village who plows the corn fields with them and earns their boner with their weathered old hands lol The world is changing, men and women, this is the ADD Tinder swipe right culture of 2015, we have to adapt to it and give men a modern model of how to deal with the mindsets this culture is building in everyone instead of clinging to ideals from an era long gone.

I’m of the belief that viagra was made for men to fuck their aging wives lol I’d bet most of those guys can spank it just fine on their own to porn of hot girls. I’m heading out to a nightclub full of hot college girls tomorrow night, last time I was there I was making out with a bunch of them, I can’t IMAGINE a scenario where my dick doesn’t get hard for that. But most guys my age are with an aging possibly older woman, who’s sex drive is dying, they’re legally tied to her so they can’t upgrade, they have no game skills even if they DID have the chance to upgrade, and they stop going out to bars full of hot young girls and instead go to shitty bro-pubs full of dudes and old men and their social circles of dudes and ugly girls, till they finally move out to the suburbs away from the nightlife and busy city streets full of hot girls to start a family where they just coop up in the house watching Netflix with their wife and taking care of the kids and their wife hopefully stays hot if they have a cool job like promoting liquor in Vegas around hot girls, but more likely he’s a plumber or accountant and his wife feels no dread and lets herself go and stops putting in effort when they DO occasionally have sex and he fucking hates his life and wonders how he ended up in this situation in his mid 30s when all of a sudden his SMV seems to have gone up and hot young girls at work are flirting with him now and he’s frustrated as he looks down as his wife’s old vagina she’s “allowed” him to stick his dick in tonight as she rolls her eyes and flips through her phone texts, and FOR SOME REASON he can’t get his dick hard.

I don’t actually know anything about the medical shit behind ED, but I have a pretty good feeling that most guys who suffer from it would find their dick works just fine if a busload of hot young cheerleaders pulled up begging to suck their dick.😛

@Softek
Congrats, glad it’s working out. Remember to look at what she DOES not what she SAYS. It’s OKAY for her to feel upset. She pays money to go watch movies or watch soap operas where she voluntarily gets upset. It’s GOOD for her to experience a full range of emotions because the most she feels with most guys is a flat fucking dialtone. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference. Like Patrice O’Neil says “My girl HATES that she loves me. HATES it. She wishes she DIDN’T love me, but she DOES. She LOVES me and I LIKE her.” lol Dude is a genius, YouTube his shit on women.

“The other night she got upset and said something like, “This is wrong. This is in reverse. I shouldn’t be chasing your dick. I don’t understand what’s going on. This isn’t right. I’ve never experienced this before.””

1) She LOVES that frustration, you’re the Rubick’s Cube she can’t solve and as soon as she solves you she starts to get bored (once the NRE wears off), and 2) this feeling you give her that NO OTHER MAN has ever given her is the feeling that makes her think about you if she goes on dates with other guys during a freezeout initiated by you. You can’t do a freezeout from a state of low value to her, but if you do it when you’re high value to her, it’s very rare that she won’t come back begging to be let back into your world. That’s why Soft Nexts are so powerful, you’re not scolding her or hating on her or starting a fight, you just become completely indifferent to her and remove your attention and the experience of being in your world from her (and demonstrate that you don’t NEED her, that she’s lucky you LET her be in your world). It’s WAY more powerful than any silly discussion or debate that Blue Pill thinking would have you attempt.

“This all started when she cheated on her BF with me too. That in and of itself was a huge wakeup call to see how she reacted to his texts — writing him off, wishing he’d shut the fuck up, completely acting like he never existed and was just an inconvenience now. And then fucking me not too long after ignoring messages he sent like “I love you baby” and “you’re so beautiful,” etc. ”

It’s important to remember that she will do THE EXACT SAME THING to YOU, if you behave like him. A lot of guys in your position think “but I got her ’cause I’m such a badass, I’m not some chode like THAT guy so she will never view ME as some inconvenience and make fun of my txts to other men etc”, and she WON’T, as long as you stay ATTRACTIVE to her and trigger her Hypergamy like you are. But if you let your frame collapse into hers and start falling into scarcity and neediness etc, she will treat you EXACTLY how she treated him. 100% dead on exactly the same with just as much contempt and disgust, EVEN AFTER 10 YEARS TOGETHER. Because Hypergamy doesn’t care.

“The sex has been off the hook like I never could’ve imagined too. I’ve gotten WAY more vocal and am not shy at all about being aggressive or telling her what to do. It’s fucking nuts. Like way beyond anything I thought I’d ever do. And it all feels completely natural, which is the best part. Like a part of me has been set free.”

lol part of why I like pickup is that I’m having the sex I watched in porn as a late-blooming early-20s virgin. 😀 Like you watch porn and it’s like “okay that’s some crazy shit that porn chicks do but that’s not what you’d do with like, Sally the cute receptionist at work”. But when you learn game and you start pushing those boundaries more, you end up being able to have all kinds of sex that you thought was just porn stuff and on top of it the girls LOVE it, it’s not just “oh they had to be paid to do that shit you watched”, they’re relieved some guy came along who could congruently and non-judgementally allow her to be their little porn slut that none of her friends or family or ex-BFs realize she is.

“Got threats from the ex BF and had to deal with that, and also jealousy from other betas that like this girl I’ve been seeing. They all hate me and are talking shit about me.”

https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bbe2106133e5d887f7f491cab273e278?convert_to_webp=true

Get used to it lol It’s not a big deal, they’ll always be there, it means you’re with a hot girl it’s a fuckin compliment. The lion doesn’t care about hyenas and jackals nipping at his tail. They will ALWAYS talk shit and ALWAYS try to take her from you. Just be unreactive. Whoever reacts more is lower value. I make fun of guys all the time to my girls…”awww I think he has a crush on you, that’s cute lol You should fuck him, he’s probably got a HUGE dick” etc etc

“Thanks for all the advice too, holy shit. Never fail to deliver. Big part of how I got this far was by checking out your archive on and your comments here.”

Happy to help, little success stories like this are why I do it. I went through all these same revelations and I know how much impact they had on my life so if I can help other guys have them, that’s worth spending my hobby time writing.

“After a while they probably mesh into being one and the same.”

Yup. 🙂

“Also, all I’ve been doing is having sex with a girl I wanted to have sex with, and on my terms.”

That’s literally all it is. And even more fucked up is that society shames that, but we all accept that girls get to “have sex with the men they want to have sex with, and on the girl’s terms”. Like we’re TOTALLY OKAY with that, but when a man wants to do it it’s ohhh he’s an asshole oh he’s selfish oh what a player what an abusive controller.

No, you just have standards for yourself now. You expect a girl to appreciate being with you and to make an effort to fuck you the way you want when it’s convenient for you without giving you drama. You’re not CONTROLLING her…she is 100% free to walk away at ANY time and you’ll wish her the best if she does. All you’re doing is laying down lines in the sand for the first time and saying “if you cross these lines, you don’t get to be a part of my life…if you don’t cross these lines you can be a part of my life. It’s up to YOU whether you want to cross those lines or not…I’d love if you didn’t cross them because I think you’re a fun girl and I like our chemistry and what we have together, but you’re free to do as you like, if what I’m offering isn’t enough for you I totally understand but I’m not changing what I’m offering so the choice is up to you.” It’s the opposite of controlling or manipulation lol

“Like YaReally said: I have to realize that she is happy NOW with things the way they are.”

Yup. If you fell into her frame and did a monoLTR to her Ultimatum (also notice how at FIRST the Ultimatum seemed SUPER SERIOUS, but NOW she JOKES about it because she doesn’t REALLY care as long as she feels like she won’t be easily replaced etc), she would be ecstatic for a couple months, so would you, but then she would start to view you like she viewed her ex and do the same thing she did to him and start a downward spiral into being miserable because by the end of it she wouldn’t have you in her life anymore and her life would be significantly less awesome because you are no longer in it…as it IS, sure she doesn’t get the mono commitment she doesn’t even REALLY care about, but she gets to be a part of the world of a guy she views as high-value who can teach and guide her and open up new shit for her and fuck her like she needs to be fucked etc etc. Her life is significantly improved by you allowing her to be around you. Never forget that even if society tries to convince you it’s the other way around.

“She was telling me the other day she’d tried to tell former lovers she had what to do. Like to grab her ass harder, spank her, etc. All these things that I just did to her without asking her, which she loved. She said all those other experiences had been a turn off and awkward, etc. because it ruins it when you have to tell a guy what to do and how to act.”

lol other guys are shit in bed. Part of my confidence comes from knowing that lol

@day-gamer
Happy to help. It bugs me that people don’t read the oldschool literature, it’s all laid out there for everyone to see, Mystery and oldschool Tyler fucking NAILED this shit to the wall if you can look past the fuzzy hat lol

“Can you tell me what to read for day game? I am working on my career and I need to wake up early in the morning for my job so I can’t be out late at nights. Plus I am low energy guy.”

People have said Krauser’s Daygame Mastery is a good resource, and that Roosh’s Day Bang is good too, but I don’t know I haven’t read them myself lol I’ve given those guys some shit before, but a quality learning resource is a quality learning resource to at least get you going. RSDTodd has a lot of free daygame vids on YouTube, I haven’t seen his actual Daygame product yet and he’s kind of dry to listen to but the actual content he’s explaining is rock solid

Also good on you for trying to find a way to go chat up girls despite having career goals. I’m doing a tricky balance between career and girls myself right now lol

@olivermaerk
“Someone will always control the dynamics of social groups”

Yup, the strongest frame always wins. Always. One on one or in groups, one person is ALWAYS reacting to the other. Be the guy that sets the frame. Be the cause, not the effect and make other people react to you and observe you instead of being the guy who reacts and observes.


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@SJF
“For the record, I don’t disagree with a word you said in regards to my comments. Society has changed and a man has to adapt to thrive.”

Ya I would LOVE if it was different. The old system WORKED (for the most part). Providers got fairly faithful wives and people raised decent kids and society respected men’s role etc etc. It’s not ideal or anything but like, it was functional compared to the shitshow out there right now.

But I deal with reality that I see out there every week, and there is a societal shift where guys like the old guy in that story just can’t relate. Even like, I heart Rollo, and he’s going to see a ton of insights and stuff that other men don’t…but at the end of the day he’s not going to be a chubby dude taking a 21yo girl off a tall jacked AMOG at the bar disarming her friends to isolate her in the club to makeout and try to pull her into the bathroom in 2015. Like, he can’t experience that first-hand and back when he was doing that stuff it was a different era with different mindsets and different social influences. 2015 is like some Mad Max shit out there and you have to be out there doing this stuff and watching how hardcore girls flake these days and go on Day2’s with them and experience their 2015 socially conditioned mindsets as they willingly choose to nosedive into the wall alone and watch them juggling guys and watch how guys react and how sad and weak most guys frames are (the guy in the suit at the bar isn’t Don Draper anymore, he’s a huge feminized-by-society-ashamed-of-his-sexuality-scared-to-offend-women chode dressed up in a nice suit) when you put a hot girl in front of them and steamroll over their frame to pull her home etc etc

All I do is report what’s out there in the field in 2015.

I’m 100% certain that the old guy in that story (and Rollo and you) are happy as clams with your wives and legitimately are sexually attracted to them and I’m sure they’re great women and everything, but in 2015 I can’t fault like a 35-45+yo guy for not being happy fucking a wrinkling miserable aging wife who only settled with them because she hit the wall and the guy didn’t have other options and she rarely puts out and views it as a chore and says she’s not just a sexual person while she’s on Instagram talking to Chad Thundercock and he spends his nights looking up porn and visiting stripclubs wishing there had been some other path for him to take.

Like, that guy is more and more common in 2015 and going to become even MORE common by 2025, even if he was rare in like, the 90s or even 2000. And THAT guy needs a better path than what society and guys stuck in old mindsets are providing him.

“I am an advocate for being discriminate and only choosing a high quality woman for a pLTR and not settling.”

At the end of the day that’s all I’m encouraging. Don’t get oneitis and get into an LTR until you’ve properly vetted the girl, but LEARN how to vet the girl and LEARN how to meet lots of girls TO vet, and learn your boundaries and how to enforce them, and learn how to juggle multiple girls in a pLTR and understand those dynamics so that if you DO decide to settle down it’s on your terms and your thirst for variety is satiated and she’s getting the things she needs from the relationship and everyone is fuckin happy lol

“Softek’s narrative over the past year is truly engaging and advances the discussion wonderfully. All the best to you Softek.”

Even just the difference between his first “asking for advice” post about the Ultimatum and his posts now are a 180 lol His first post he sounded like he was leaning toward possibly settling even though every impulse told him not to and trying to figure out a way to make that work and not lose her, and now he’s like “you hate me do you that’s cute lol now suck mah dick!” lol Always love seeing that difference in guys’ progress.


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Andy is the type of guy I’m trying to help not exist lol The guy who got married not realizing what he was signing up for and not having gotten banging random girls fully out of his system, the guy who didn’t know his SMV would raise as he got older and hot young chicks would blush around him and didn’t know his wife would hit the wall dramatically and her SMV would plummet and didn’t realize that legally tying himself into the whole situation would trap him between being “immoral” cheating on her and breaking his word/contract (and possibly bringing severe financial/social consequences on him) or trying to find a way to accept that his dick might work for another 20 years and this is going to be his life.

And he probably wouldn’t have signed up for any of this, at least not in the form it’s currently in, if someone had been able to warn him ahead of time. Now everyone involved will suffer regardless of what path he takes.

I feel bad for ya dude, all I can say is just don’t underestimate what pulling hot young new poon takes in 2015. It’s not 2005 or the 90s anymore, you’d be walking into a marketplace full of Tinder and Instagram validation and Eat Pray Love encouragement etc. My buddy just broke up and has gone a few months without being able to fully close a girl and he knows what he’s doing and what he’s doing would have slayed in 2005 but is hitting walls in 2015 with all the 24/7 validation women are getting.

So like I won’t tell you what to do or not do, and you are basically how I would be if I settled down so I can’t hate on you, but I also don’t want you to bail thinking you’ll walk into non-stop poon because you’re getting some iois here and there. It’s probably going to be work and you’re very unlikely to find another chick to settle with so if you’re done with settling make sure you’re 100% done because it could be 5-10 years before you’re able to vet a new girl to provide any of the good parts about having a wife.


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@CaveClown @Dutchman
“YaReally always says that’s it’s game, not height, or looks that matter. I’m sure the problem his friend is having is that his game isn’t tight enough, not looks or whatever.”

Ya it’s his game, he just got out of like a 7 year LTR so his game is sloppy His txting is like gay LTR txting and he’s used to having LTR sex lined up to fall back on so for years he wasn’t really pushing hard infield because he could just go have “a fun interaction” and pat himself on the back that a girl “really liked” him and miss the window to actually pull her because he would be getting laid when he saw his GF the next day. So on top of his sloppy game he’s also in massive sexual scarcity right now because his regular dependable sex has been taken away.

He KNOWS game and knows what to do, but the changes between 2015 and when he first got into his LTR are forcing him to adapt and re-learn and re-tighten some shit. We’re hitting a young people venue in a few hours to work on his Attract game (spiking buying temps and laser eyes and escalating to makeouts etc) ’cause that’s generally the part guys lose in an LTR (that killer intense sexual flirty vibe, ’cause they don’t generally need it in an LTR where the girl is obligated/comfortable to stick around if he loses his edge). Tomorrow we’ll do an older crowd (mid/late 20s venue) where he can carry over the vibe he gains tonight and get into deeper/longer sets where he can add in his Comfort stuff.

Gotta’ enjoy the journey/process. What I just described might sound like “work” but in reality I mean, we’re two guys with nothing holding us back or tying us down heading to venues full of hot girls to go makeout and try to pull them home to suck our dicks lol Beats getting high and playing xbox or watching a marathon of Game of Thrones.


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Since this discussion is turning towards “eh fuck it go for it” here’s some stuff for Andy lol:

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=oltr
http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=pltr
http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=monogamy

oLTR = Open LTR where you both are free to fuck other people
pLTR = Primary LTR where you fuck girls on the side and she’s monogamous to you

I break down how to make them both work and link resources and shit in those links. It’s stuff you should look at before even REMOTELY attempting this shit. It’s not techncially impossible but there are a lot of dynamics you should understand to avoid divorce rape and a broken homelife etc. You’re starting from a HUGE disadvantage by having been in a monoLTR for so long, it’s VERY difficult to turn it into a pLTR without massive drama for reasons I explain in those links.

I had an official pLTR for a couple years (see her on Sundays and/or during the week, bang other girls during the week and go sarge on thurs/fri/sat nights for new girls) that ran smooth and basically all of my fuckbuddies since then have known I bang other girls besides them etc. Tyler and Blackdragon have experience-based stuff on these dynamics as well (tho most of it should be linked in those searches somewhere).

You’re basically attempting to win the world series in the last inning of the last game with 2 strikes, VS starting from the beginning of the season lol It’s not technically impossible but there is a LOT of potential for a shitshow compared to if you had set the frame from day 1 and never entered monogamy or legal contracts etc, and you should fully understand how difficult it is before considering attempting it.


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@Andy
“If it happens it will be a while. I don’t have time to read a fucking book let alone figure out logistics to work on pick up.”

It’s one of those things where it’s like look, I get what you’re saying because frankly you remind me of me and my own wiring and how I would’ve ended up if I had gotten married so I can relate to what you’re saying over the guys who view banging an old chick who lost all her teeth opening diaper bags for your poopy kid as sexy, so I can tell you’re probably going to end up experimenting with this and so if you DO then I can at least help you prepare for what to expect and try to help you avoid some pitfalls so you aren’t walking in blind.

“I didn’t realize that you and @Rollo have been fighting about looks for 3 years. lol.”

fucking LOL. CAVE ALREADY, ROLLO, DAMN YOU!!

“I didn’t realize how in-depth the PUA understanding of women really is…”

We know our shit. A lot of it has gotten watered down to mass-market it to guys who don’t want to spend the time to go really in-depth with stuff (guy doesn’t have time to read Mystery Method? Just pump his state and throw him in with a shotgun blast direct game approach and he’ll probably bang a few random girls and be happy enough with his results).

But that lack of deep understanding most guys running game these days have (especially the TRP forum guys who PROUDLY snub PUA and oldschool Mystery Method teachings and all this nerdy tech-heavy in-depth analysis shit), is why they get WILDLY inconsistent results and are often out there just boozing it up partying and spam approaching easy sets till something hits, VS very purposely sniping out a specific girl they want in tough sets and getting her, and why when they DO get the girl they often lose her or their LTR spirals out of control etc because they don’t REALLY understand how women “work”, they just have a weak surface level understanding. And it’s why I can win girls over those guys because those guys don’t even understand the dynamics behind stuff like Boyfriend Destroyers or AMOG tactics and reacting and frame control and shit and TRP has them so focused on lifting and making money like it’s going to make up for not understanding game, that it’s like watching children waving swords around…like oh that’s cute I’m REAL scared awwwe (ruffles the kid’s hair)

“Also, how dedicated you are to helping dudes like me out… I mean that shit is tedious and you have to say the same shit over and over again. Anyway, you are making a huge contribution to humanity. I know it sounds overly dramatic to say that, but it’s true. ”

lol happy to help. The community helped me back in the day and now I live a life that I couldn’t have even IMAGINED I’d be able to live in terms of women and sex and social skills etc. This is a fun hobby for me, like I find the whole thing fascinating and can talk for hours about it so writing this stuff is pretty effortless aside from the time it takes up, but I have solid time management skills and a flexible job and like, reading and writing stuff like this is what I do when other people are watching Game of Thrones or playing xbox or working on their car or whatever. Writing all this shit seems like “YaReally couldn’t possibly be a PUA with a social life and girls because he writes so fucking much” but it’s really not hard to manage. I don’t spend a lot of time like, out on 6 hour dates and shit, as soon as I have a girl in a fuckbuddy frame and make it clear to her that I have work to do (which is really just code for don’t hang out here all day lol) they just come over and when I open the door I escalate immediately, we bang, cuddle, bang for round 2, cuddle, then she goes home and I go back to whatever I was doing.

And while I focused a lot on social circle stuff at one point which was definitely time consuming, right now I’m laying low and the handful of guys I hang out with are into macking girls like me so we just hang out when we hit up the bars to sarge, we don’t like I don’t know hang out playing xbox or go camping or whatever dudes do lol We meet up an hour before the bar and shoot the shit and discuss whatever’s on our mind or happening in our lives, go mack on girls, bang them if we pull or discuss the night over late night food if we don’t pull, and then go our separate ways and work on our careers/health/finances/etc till next week.


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@Forge
“-option a – play videogames, dick around on internet like most chodes.
-option b – go to bar/club and sarge.”

This. Like Tyler says: “What’s your alternative for me to do on a Friday night? Get high and play xbox? Show me a hobby that’s more fun, more challenging, more rewarding, more engaging, that pushes you through an emotional rollercoaster every night, that benefits your life overall more, etc AND gets your dick inside hot girls and I’ll be happy to take that hobby up.”

“I discovered recently that going out and gaming productively for a while need only take literally 2 hours. And I live 15 minutes from the city. That’s like, a movie.”

Ya, I’m way behind on TV and movies, like years behind lol People will fuck around on YouTube and watch a few episodes of some show on TV that they aren’t even into it just happened to be on, and then complain “oh I don’t have time to sarge”. Just walk outside your house and start a few conversations and go home. Done lol Work in an office? Sit there surfing the net all noon hour? Wolf some food down and go approach other people on their lunch break for 45 minutes, drive to the nearest mall and sit down with girls on their lunch breaks, go walk somewhere to get food and open on the way. Are you gonna pull some 9 off the street and bang her on your lunch break? Probably not, but like…maybe lol You don’t know, go approach them and try.

“Then I was like, why the fuck am I just sitting here reading shit and playing games and drinking when I could just take 2 hours even just 2 weekdays and I’m learning shittons? I used to just think of that as chillout time but it was frankly unnecessary time I spent drinking and being lazy. It’s still hard to beat the inertia habit but damn I’m glad when I do.”

I wish more guys had this mindset. They would improve so much faster and I’d have to spend so much less time repeating myself about shit to skeptical guys who go out like once a week and get shitfaced with their buddies when they do and avoid the hot girls to passively stand around and take a number from some 6 that approaches them lol

I had a buddy who was talking big about how he wanted a harem of gorgeous girls, but he’d skip a bunch of nights out. He’d come out once a week or on a slow night where there aren’t even girls to approach and go home early to not be tired for work, and he’d miss like 3 weeks in a row to just silly excuses like he’s too tired or it’s raining, and then he’s got zero girls going on and hasn’t gotten his dick wet in a few months and he’s complaining about how he feels like he’s in scarcity. Like ya man, you ARE in scarcity, because you aren’t fucking going out. You’re sitting at home watching Game of Thrones on a Friday night instead of coming out with me lol And that’s cool, if that’s what you wanna do, I’m not your babysitter, but your lack of results is your own fault for throwing on another episode of mindless TV instead of coming out to interact with the girls you want.

I have a hard time relating to these types of guys, I tend to be pretty logical. Like I’m chubby, but it’s because I’m retarded and don’t work out and eat shitty so I know it’s my fault lol It doesn’t really bother me, so it’s not a big deal, but if I was like “man I really wanna get in shape” I wouldn’t cry about not being in shape, I’d just start lifting and eating better…how would I expect to get in shape otherwise?? And I would do it like PUA, just schedule a part of my day to do it. We have like 16 hours a day, minus 8 for work that’s 8 HOURS of just NOTHING. Like, you can do ANYTHING for that 8 hours if you’re young and responsibility-free…how much of that 8 hours is spent watching YouTube and shit. Imagine if you spent that 8 hours working on shit that would improve yourself and involved going out and approaching girls every day? You’d be a god. But we’re too lazy to do that or schedule our lives that hardcore, myself included lol But like, if you aren’t willing to put in the work/time/effort then don’t complain to me about not having the results you want. I’m poor right now but I’m working in any spare time I have that I’m not writing these comments or out sarging or have a girl over instead of complaining that I don’t have money, because I know that as long as I take right action for a while in a few years I won’t be poor anymore lol It doesn’t even bother me because I just know I’m going to succeed, because why wouldn’t I? I’m working on it so of COURSE I’ll get results even if they take a while. That’s how life works.

“I used to think PUA was evil bullshit lol. But your stubborn persistence in action is powerful.”

lol I wouldn’t push it if it didn’t significantly change my life. The resistance people have to it is understandable, it goes against everything they’ve ever thought they knew about EVERYTHING…but the shit I say is backed by field experience and mass reference experience and results from hundreds of thousands of dudes so like, people can make emotional arguments about “I don’t think that’s true, that’s bullshit!!” if they want but it doesn’t matter, the data is there. Feminists can say there’s a wage gap but that doesn’t change that the data shows there isn’t. Guys who go out enough and apply this stuff enough and push their comfort zones and limiting beliefs enough all come to the same general conclusions.


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Fucking lol at that image again. I love it.

That Red Pill movie is going to be fucking great. I’ve watched interviews and shit with the chick by skeptical guys trying to figure out where she’s at and just from the footage in the trailer you can see she’s going to hoist a lot of psycho third-wave feminism wwith their own petard. Like she shows Big Red the victim in the trailer, but we all know what other classic Big Red footage is going to be shown and NO ONE can view that Big Red footage and listen to her sob story and not go “holy shit this chick is bat-shit”. And Jaye has clearly been converted but doesn’t want to spoil the reveal because it’ll get people to watch the movie if she keeps it under wraps…she’ll still say she’s a feminist and she’ll classify Big Red as a crazy third-wave feminist no true scotsman etc and she’ll say while some MRAs are crazy assholes there ARE some legitimate views and I put my blessing on those views as a woman so now we can actually talk about them.

And we can be like wah wah that’s unfair it’s gay that a chick has to bring up the issues (speaking of gay, Milo Yiannopolous has said repeatedly that he loves to abuse the fact that he’s gay to be able to get away with saying all this stuff that, if he were a straight white male, would get him eviscerated and shut down before he can talk, but as a flamboyantly charming gay guy he can bring up all these issues and people will let him speak), and some MRAs are miffed that people might assosciate “those misogynists over at The Red Pill reddit forum” with them because of the title and bla bla bla

But that’s all short-sighted bullshit. The reality is that the mainstream media will paint us ALL into one group, we are ALL Elliot Rogers to them, MGTOW, TRP, PUA, Manosphere, NeoRooshCult, etc it’s all the same shit to them. No one gives a shit about nuances. And the feminists and a ton of Blue Pill men and women will hate-watch this thing and probably still brush it all off.

But that doesn’t matter…all that matters right NOW is that through whatever means possible, whether it’s an awesome gay dude or an open-minded chick or this comment section or RSD vids or Sandman’s videos or CH’s articles or the TRP forums or A Voice For Men or EVEN Roosh’s cult forum or a shitty Dr Oz interview, those men out there who feel lost and confused and frustrated by the reality this Blue Pill society has conditioned them into accepting catch a GLIMPSE that there MIGHT be some answers out there for them, that their frustrations might be justified, that there might be literature or videos that can clear up confusion and ultimately help get them on a better path.

Down the road we can all worry about factions and “well you’re not a TRUE this and that if you think this and that”. But right now it’s about getting the message out there to all these guys who have no idea forums like this with answers like these even EXIST. We need a mass unplugging and Cassie Jaye’s documentary is going to help with that HUGE because that thing is going to be hate-fucked across the internet and be impossible for people to ignore and the people she’s interviewing are as rock solid as it gets for the MRA scene even if the message they get out there isn’t perfect by Red Pill standards. We just need men to wake up right now, that’s top priority as far as I’m concerned.

“The Purple Pill pushers will use what ever conveniently complements and reinforces their Blue Pill insecurities while sweeping the ugly, harsh, unflattering truth of the Red Pill aside or disqualifying them as the negativity of misogynistic complainers.”

This is why it’s retarded how the TRP forums hate on PUAs. TRP and the Manosphere only exist BECAUSE PUA got the ball rolling (not that TRP/Mano didn’t take it in a different direction, though that’s debatable ’cause once The Game came out PUA also started focusing on overall self-development too so the timeline gets fuzzy in that period, but like my point is PUAs (and sadly the RJ NLP shit lol) were the ones who were like “look this is a skillset you can get BETTER at”)…and yet I’m seeing posts on TRP like “Who’s this Tyler guy? Why should I listen to THIS asshole?” and guys making fun of Mystery Method and bragging that they’d never read that garbage. Like are you fucking kidding me? lol Guys should be looking at every resource possible, ESPECIALLY rock solid oldschool shit, and adapting it to their new mindsets. It’s all laid out there in the old texts. I’m reading this dude’s longass 3 part “Machiavellion Game part 1-3” thing on TRP because everyone’s sucking his dick over there and I’m like cool maybe there’s some new insights into this, it’s got like 3 pages of prologue build-up to the drawn out Field Report…all the dude is fucking doing is running basic Mystery Method group theory, using preselection/pivots from Mystery Method, and just following the Mystery Method “make her chase you” push/pull isolate and escalate bla bla bla It’s literally just Day One teaching from a Mystery Method seminar but everyone in the thread is shitting bricks with their jaws dropped and eyes wide like the guy flew down from the heavens to show them the world.

And the funniest part is that that guy probably doesn’t even REALIZE he’s just running basic Mystery Method because he’s probably never even READ Mystery Method since he’s hyping his own “tactic” up without acknowledging it and says he came up with it on the fly…guess what you could’ve shaved years off your learning curve if you had gotten past the fuzzy hat and read the basic oldschool literature that spelled this all out for you step by step lol

And the Manosphere isn’t immune to this shit. My first comment ever was on a CH post about BradP’s Horse Girl routine making fun of it because CH didn’t understand the context or presentation of it and CH was basically shitting on PUA the same way Roosh and TRP and a lot of the Manosphere, MRAs/MGTOWs etc do. So I jumped in to explain how and why the routine works and what the nuances and shit are, trying to prevent that divide. That’s why I’m still here, I know a lot of you guys aren’t actually out there tearing up nightclubs and shit, but without at least one legit PUA around this place will descend into the exact same shit Feminists do “don’t listen to THOSE guys, THEY don’t know what they’re talking about, they’re just dancing monkeys with silly routines faking it and girls can TELL in a long term relationship” because so many guys coming here want to hold onto that belief instead of actually looking at PUA shit and going “oh you know what, this makes sense”. They won’t open Mystery Method but they’ll read my writing because it’s in the comment section and over time they’ll go “shit I can’t really argue with what he’s saying, I see it happening in front of me now that I’m looking for it, maybe this PUA thing isn’t so gimmicky manipulative retarded after all” lol

That’s why I post shit like this:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/10/#comment-rationalmale-125655

To help keep shit in check. I literally do a CTRL-F search for the word “PUA” to look for what incorrect stuff people are trying to say about it to clarify lol

In conclusion, here’s one of my fav Tyler vids related to Rollo’s article about presenting this stuff to the mainstream “Society Must Stay Orderly! — What The Mainstream Isn’t Supposed To Know About Sex And Success”:

And another super-fav, Tyler on how the masses don’t WANT nuanced points (which is why they don’t give a shit if MRAs aren’t TRP etc we’re all the same to them and will be presented as such by the media):

The good part is that we had such a head start underground with the internet being off the radar that it’ll be hard for someone to co-opt the red pill. The TRP moderators do a good job of deleting and weeding out retarded shit, and there’s just so much content out there from all these guys like RSD, Sandman, AVFM, etc that even if someone tries to claim they’re the father of all this shit and you should only listen to them, Google will provide links to ALLLLLL this other shit and people will find the rest of it.

If they tried to co-opt this back in like 2005, we’d be fucked lol But now? There’s no stopping this train, only throwing shit on the tracks hoping to derail it momentarily.


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Fucking lol at that image again. I love it.

That Red Pill movie is going to be fucking great. I’ve watched interviews and shit with the chick by skeptical guys trying to figure out where she’s at and just from the footage in the trailer you can see she’s going to hoist a lot of psycho third-wave feminism wwith their own petard. Like she shows Big Red the victim in the trailer, but we all know what other classic Big Red footage is going to be shown and NO ONE can view that Big Red footage and listen to her sob story and not go “holy shit this chick is bat-shit”. And Jaye has clearly been converted but doesn’t want to spoil the reveal because it’ll get people to watch the movie if she keeps it under wraps…she’ll still say she’s a feminist and she’ll classify Big Red as a crazy third-wave feminist no true scotsman etc and she’ll say while some MRAs are crazy assholes there ARE some legitimate views and I put my blessing on those views as a woman so now we can actually talk about them.

And we can be like wah wah that’s unfair it’s gay that a chick has to bring up the issues (speaking of gay, Milo Yiannopolous has said repeatedly that he loves to abuse the fact that he’s gay to be able to get away with saying all this stuff that, if he were a straight white male, would get him eviscerated and shut down before he can talk, but as a flamboyantly charming gay guy he can bring up all these issues and people will let him speak), and some MRAs are miffed that people might assosciate “those misogynists over at The Red Pill reddit forum” with them because of the title and bla bla bla

But that’s all short-sighted bullshit. The reality is that the mainstream media will paint us ALL into one group, we are ALL Elliot Rogers to them, MGTOW, TRP, PUA, Manosphere, NeoRooshCult, etc it’s all the same shit to them. No one gives a shit about nuances. And the feminists and a ton of Blue Pill men and women will hate-watch this thing and probably still brush it all off.

But that doesn’t matter…all that matters right NOW is that through whatever means possible, whether it’s an awesome gay dude or an open-minded chick or this comment section or RSD vids or Sandman’s videos or CH’s articles or the TRP forums or A Voice For Men or EVEN Roosh’s cult forum or a shitty Dr Oz interview, those men out there who feel lost and confused and frustrated by the reality this Blue Pill society has conditioned them into accepting catch a GLIMPSE that there MIGHT be some answers out there for them, that their frustrations might be justified, that there might be literature or videos that can clear up confusion and ultimately help get them on a better path.

Down the road we can all worry about factions and “well you’re not a TRUE this and that if you think this and that”. But right now it’s about getting the message out there to all these guys who have no idea forums like this with answers like these even EXIST. We need a mass unplugging and Cassie Jaye’s documentary is going to help with that HUGE because that thing is going to be hate-fucked across the internet and be impossible for people to ignore and the people she’s interviewing are as rock solid as it gets for the MRA scene even if the message they get out there isn’t perfect by Red Pill standards. We just need men to wake up right now, that’s top priority as far as I’m concerned.

“The Purple Pill pushers will use what ever conveniently complements and reinforces their Blue Pill insecurities while sweeping the ugly, harsh, unflattering truth of the Red Pill aside or disqualifying them as the negativity of misogynistic complainers.”

This is why it’s retarded how the TRP forums hate on PUAs. TRP and the Manosphere only exist BECAUSE PUA got the ball rolling (not that TRP/Mano didn’t take it in a different direction, though that’s debatable ’cause once The Game came out PUA also started focusing on overall self-development too so the timeline gets fuzzy in that period, but like my point is PUAs (and sadly the RJ NLP shit lol) were the ones who were like “look this is a skillset you can get BETTER at”)…and yet I’m seeing posts on TRP like “Who’s this Tyler guy? Why should I listen to THIS asshole?” and guys making fun of Mystery Method and bragging that they’d never read that garbage. Like are you fucking kidding me? lol Guys should be looking at every resource possible, ESPECIALLY rock solid oldschool shit, and adapting it to their new mindsets. It’s all laid out there in the old texts. I’m reading this dude’s longass 3 part “Machiavellion Game part 1-3” thing on TRP because everyone’s sucking his dick over there and I’m like cool maybe there’s some new insights into this, it’s got like 3 pages of prologue build-up to the drawn out Field Report…all the dude is fucking doing is running basic Mystery Method group theory, using preselection/pivots from Mystery Method, and just following the Mystery Method “make her chase you” push/pull isolate and escalate bla bla bla It’s literally just Day One teaching from a Mystery Method seminar but everyone in the thread is shitting bricks with their jaws dropped and eyes wide like the guy flew down from the heavens to show them the world.

And the funniest part is that that guy probably doesn’t even REALIZE he’s just running basic Mystery Method because he’s probably never even READ Mystery Method since he’s hyping his own “tactic” up without acknowledging it and says he came up with it on the fly…guess what you could’ve shaved years off your learning curve if you had gotten past the fuzzy hat and read the basic oldschool literature that spelled this all out for you step by step lol

And the Manosphere isn’t immune to this shit. My first comment ever was on a CH post about BradP’s Horse Girl routine making fun of it because CH didn’t understand the context or presentation of it and CH was basically shitting on PUA the same way Roosh and TRP and a lot of the Manosphere, MRAs/MGTOWs etc do. So I jumped in to explain how and why the routine works and what the nuances and shit are, trying to prevent that divide. That’s why I’m still here, I know a lot of you guys aren’t actually out there tearing up nightclubs and shit, but without at least one legit PUA around this place will descend into the exact same shit Feminists do “don’t listen to THOSE guys, THEY don’t know what they’re talking about, they’re just dancing monkeys with silly routines faking it and girls can TELL in a long term relationship” because so many guys coming here want to hold onto that belief instead of actually looking at PUA shit and going “oh you know what, this makes sense”. They won’t open Mystery Method but they’ll read my writing because it’s in the comment section and over time they’ll go “shit I can’t really argue with what he’s saying, I see it happening in front of me now that I’m looking for it, maybe this PUA thing isn’t so gimmicky manipulative retarded after all” lol

That’s why I post shit like this:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/10/#comment-rationalmale-125655

To help keep shit in check. I literally do a CTRL-F search for the word “PUA” to look for what incorrect stuff people are trying to say about it to clarify lol

In conclusion, here’s one of my fav Tyler vids related to Rollo’s article about presenting this stuff to the mainstream “Society Must Stay Orderly! — What The Mainstream Isn’t Supposed To Know About Sex And Success”:

And another super-fav, Tyler on how the masses don’t WANT nuanced points (which is why they don’t give a shit if MRAs aren’t TRP etc we’re all the same to them and will be presented as such by the media):

The good part is that we had such a head start underground with the internet being off the radar that it’ll be hard for someone to co-opt the red pill. The TRP moderators do a good job of deleting and weeding out retarded shit, and there’s just so much content out there from all these guys like RSD, Sandman, AVFM, etc that even if someone tries to claim they’re the father of all this shit and you should only listen to them, Google will provide links to ALLLLLL this other shit and people will find the rest of it.

If they tried to co-opt this back in like 2005, we’d be fucked lol But now? There’s no stopping this train, only throwing shit on the tracks hoping to derail it momentarily.


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@toolate
“I really do not think she truly understands men’s issue’s (still view’s everything thru a feminist lens) and is using this as a platform for bigger and better things to come in her future.”

I say it doesn’t matter if she DOES. All that matters is that she presents a fair balanced representation of men’s issues, which it looks like she’s going to do, facts and logic, and show the bad behavior of feminists and show data that can’t really be argued (like footage of how men are treated in media or those social experiments etc) so that guys out there, living in frustration and depression, can go “holy shit SOMEONE is telling me that all these thoughts and feelings I have might be valid…I need to look into this more” and pull up Google.

Jaye could stay a full out feminist and say flat out at the end “But then Paul Elam raped me and now I’m going to get fat and shave my head into a pink mohawk and double down on making sure people know how oppressed Emma Watson the rich celebrity moviestar is”, but it won’t matter as long as the footage in the movie represents the men’s rights side fairly which, judging by the people she’s interviewing and the snippets in the trailer, it looks like she’ll be doing.

Men may still be demonized in the end, just like now, and not a single feminist will cave an inch and tons of Blue Pill people will reject and double-down on their hate.

But we’ll reach another handful of men out there, desperate for answers, and that’s how we win. An inch at a time underground in the shadows as men who need us find us, just like we’ve done it since the beginning.


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@toolate
“I really do not think she truly understands men’s issue’s (still view’s everything thru a feminist lens) and is using this as a platform for bigger and better things to come in her future.”

I say it doesn’t matter if she DOES. All that matters is that she presents a fair balanced representation of men’s issues, which it looks like she’s going to do, facts and logic, and show the bad behavior of feminists and show data that can’t really be argued (like footage of how men are treated in media or those social experiments etc) so that guys out there, living in frustration and depression, can go “holy shit SOMEONE is telling me that all these thoughts and feelings I have might be valid…I need to look into this more” and pull up Google.

Jaye could stay a full out feminist and say flat out at the end “But then Paul Elam raped me and now I’m going to get fat and shave my head into a pink mohawk and double down on making sure people know how oppressed Emma Watson the rich celebrity moviestar is”, but it won’t matter as long as the footage in the movie represents the men’s rights side fairly which, judging by the people she’s interviewing and the snippets in the trailer, it looks like she’ll be doing.

Men may still be demonized in the end, just like now, and not a single feminist will cave an inch and tons of Blue Pill people will reject and double-down on their hate.

But we’ll reach another handful of men out there, desperate for answers, and that’s how we win. An inch at a time underground in the shadows as men who need us find us, just like we’ve done it since the beginning.


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I don’t disagree with any of that. But my point is more that that’s not the focus. It doesn’t matter who it’s attached to, or how much Elam etc cash in, or how Jaye feels at the end of it, or what Oprah says about it, or what the Jezebel front page says about it, or what the next Hugo Schwyzer writes about it.

They are all going to use it for their own means and shit all over TRP. They will throw it under the bus and try to profit and try to become the guru leaders of the movement and Jaye will still call herself a feminist etc etc

But none of that matters. Because what you’re describing is still coming from the frame of “how can we convince the masses to accept us and our views”? The reality is we CAN’T. They WON’T accept it. We will NEVER see a Jezebel article saying “that Red Pill movie made some really good points, let’s all ease up on men, click here to donate to a men’s abuse shelter!” It’s just not going to happen, for so many reasons.

Hoping that this movie will convince ANYONE of ANYTHING they don’t already believe is wishful thinking at best. The world will remain exactly as it is except men might get a few articles addressing some of the stats in the movie. But no one will be starting up men’s abuse shelters, no one will give a shit about prison rape, no one will be rallying in the streets about dangerous working conditions in primarily male jobs, no one will give a shit. They’ll say “those guys are all just Elliot Rogers, that Elam guy is some bitter misogynist, fuck these guys” and stick to their narrative that women are the real victims in society.

That’s what’s going to happen. And that’s OKAY, because that was always going to happen. Just like when that anonymous guy went on the news show and wouldn’t show his face and they tooled him, no one WANTED to hear his opinion, no one WANTS to be convinced of something they don’t already believe.

So like 99% of the audience for this will continue to hate on men just like they always did. Anyone thinking that like half the audience will come out with some newfound sympathy for men is crazy and doesn’t fully grasp all the dynamics of WHY people are so bought into this FI narrative etc.

BUT…that *1%*…that 1% are the lost men who don’t know communities like this exist. They’re they guys who’s friend committed suicide over a divorce because his wife made the kids make up a story about him abusing them so he hasn’t seen his kids in 5 years. They’re the guys who work jobs they hate and aren’t satisfied by and know there’s more out there but don’t know how to get it. They’re the guys who got falsely accused or know a friend who did and had their lives ruined. They’re the guys who got trapped in an abusive relationship with a BPD psycho. They’re the guys with the fat girlfriend who treats them like shit and they want out but are scared to be alone. They’re the guys who got fired by HR because some chick in the office took offense to their innocuous comment. They’re the guys who’ve watched a couple double-standards videos or have run into crazy feminist chicks and realized “wow, there are some people who hate me just for being a man, wtf do I do with that?”

Those are the guys who are going to see this movie and go “holy shit there’s a whole movement about these things that were on the tip of my tongue but I couldn’t put a name or specifics to” and they’re going to rationally look into this stuff just like we all did and they’re going to see “man, what these guys say is super politically incorrect, BUT it explains a LOT of confusing situations in my life and I can SEE this stuff out there and this explains why my dad was like such and such around my mom and this explains why my ex dumped me holy shit” Maybe they’ll find MRA, maybe they’ll find the Manosphere, maybe they’ll find TRP, maybe they’ll find MGTOW, maybe they’ll find PUA, it doesn’t matter, they’ll find what fits them and it all falls under the same Red Pill umbrella.

And that’s going to be another 1% of men who become the next scribblerg or Softek where they get a handle on their life and gain their freedom.

I said it way back at that anonymous guy’s interview: all we can EVER hope for in these mainstream exposures is capturing the random minor 1% of MEN who WANT answers but don’t realize they’re out there. That’s it. EVERYONE ELSE WILL HATE US FOREVER. We have to accept that. Maybe in 50 years when those little 1%s add up to a massive majority that can sway society we’ll see some change, but right now the Titanic has sunk and we need to just throw a shitload of liferafts and lifevests out there into the water. A lot of people won’t take them and maybe some assholes profit from them and maybe we need a girl to throw them for us for people to accept them, and everyone will still hate us, but a handful more men will sneak onto their computer in the privacy of their homes when no one is looking and google for answers the same way most of us who found the PUA community typed in “how do I get a girlfriend?” looking for help.

The difference with this movie is that this movie will get massive exposure compared to like a Sandman video or a Rational Male article and we might capture a nice 10% chunk of men this time instead of just another 1%. And that’s GOOD, that’s a VICTORY, even if the other 90% of people who see the thing continue to hate our guts and try to take over and manipulate shit.

All we need is for 90 minutes men’s issues are presented on-screen in a calm and unbiased way. Because just like TRP, this stuff is based in logic and facts. Women will ignore it, Feminists will hate on it, Blue Pill people will reject it, but that little 10% of men will go “I can’t argue with those stats and what these people are saying and it gels with my personal experiences…I need to google more about this.” and come down the rabbit hole. They won’t just stick to AVFM or stick to one forum, they’ll Google shit in general and EVERYTHING from EVERYONE will come up and they’ll see MGTOW shit, they’ll see TRP shit, they’ll see PUA shit, they’ll see your articles, and they’ll pick and choose what resonates with them but ANY of that is good because it gets them off society’s fucked up path and gets them thinking for themselves.

Inch by inch we save men while the rest of the world shits on us. That’s how it’s going to be for another 50 years, and that’s okay…because the little percents of men that we do bring in through these exposures can’t reject the logic and explanations of their experiences once they read them. Once they see a glitch in the Matrix and realize something is up, they can’t UN-know that….they can be shamed and pressured into trying to unknow it which is why they’ll do it privately behind closed doors late at night when their fat wife is asleep and they’ll clear their Google search history after.

We just have to accept that they’re going to demonize us from all angles forever. And it’s okay, as long as we reach the men that need reaching, because over time that’ll build up. Tortoise and the hare and all that.


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@Rollo
I don’t disagree with any of that. But my point is more that that’s not the focus. It doesn’t matter who it’s attached to, or how much Elam etc cash in, or how Jaye feels at the end of it, or what Oprah says about it, or what the Jezebel front page says about it, or what the next Hugo Schwyzer writes about it.

They are all going to use it for their own means and shit all over TRP. They will throw it under the bus and try to profit and try to become the guru leaders of the movement and Jaye will still call herself a feminist etc etc

But none of that matters. Because what you’re describing is still coming from the frame of “how can we convince the masses to accept us and our views”? The reality is we CAN’T. They WON’T accept it. We will NEVER see a Jezebel article saying “that Red Pill movie made some really good points, let’s all ease up on men, click here to donate to a men’s abuse shelter!” It’s just not going to happen, for so many reasons.

Hoping that this movie will convince ANYONE of ANYTHING they don’t already believe is wishful thinking at best. The world will remain exactly as it is except men might get a few articles addressing some of the stats in the movie. But no one will be starting up men’s abuse shelters, no one will give a shit about prison rape, no one will be rallying in the streets about dangerous working conditions in primarily male jobs, no one will give a shit. They’ll say “those guys are all just Elliot Rogers, that Elam guy is some bitter misogynist, fuck these guys” and stick to their narrative that women are the real victims in society.

That’s what’s going to happen. And that’s OKAY, because that was always going to happen. Just like when that anonymous guy went on the news show and wouldn’t show his face and they tooled him, no one WANTED to hear his opinion, no one WANTS to be convinced of something they don’t already believe.

So like 99% of the audience for this will continue to hate on men just like they always did. Anyone thinking that like half the audience will come out with some newfound sympathy for men is crazy and doesn’t fully grasp all the dynamics of WHY people are so bought into this FI narrative etc.

BUT…that *1%*…that 1% are the lost men who don’t know communities like this exist. They’re they guys who’s friend committed suicide over a divorce because his wife made the kids make up a story about him abusing them so he hasn’t seen his kids in 5 years. They’re the guys who work jobs they hate and aren’t satisfied by and know there’s more out there but don’t know how to get it. They’re the guys who got falsely accused or know a friend who did and had their lives ruined. They’re the guys who got trapped in an abusive relationship with a BPD psycho. They’re the guys with the fat girlfriend who treats them like shit and they want out but are scared to be alone. They’re the guys who got fired by HR because some chick in the office took offense to their innocuous comment. They’re the guys who’ve watched a couple double-standards videos or have run into crazy feminist chicks and realized “wow, there are some people who hate me just for being a man, wtf do I do with that?”

Those are the guys who are going to see this movie and go “holy shit there’s a whole movement about these things that were on the tip of my tongue but I couldn’t put a name or specifics to” and they’re going to rationally look into this stuff just like we all did and they’re going to see “man, what these guys say is super politically incorrect, BUT it explains a LOT of confusing situations in my life and I can SEE this stuff out there and this explains why my dad was like such and such around my mom and this explains why my ex dumped me holy shit” Maybe they’ll find MRA, maybe they’ll find the Manosphere, maybe they’ll find TRP, maybe they’ll find MGTOW, maybe they’ll find PUA, it doesn’t matter, they’ll find what fits them and it all falls under the same Red Pill umbrella.

And that’s going to be another 1% of men who become the next scribblerg or Softek where they get a handle on their life and gain their freedom.

I said it way back at that anonymous guy’s interview: all we can EVER hope for in these mainstream exposures is capturing the random minor 1% of MEN who WANT answers but don’t realize they’re out there. That’s it. EVERYONE ELSE WILL HATE US FOREVER. We have to accept that. Maybe in 50 years when those little 1%s add up to a massive majority that can sway society we’ll see some change, but right now the Titanic has sunk and we need to just throw a shitload of liferafts and lifevests out there into the water. A lot of people won’t take them and maybe some assholes profit from them and maybe we need a girl to throw them for us for people to accept them, and everyone will still hate us, but a handful more men will sneak onto their computer in the privacy of their homes when no one is looking and google for answers the same way most of us who found the PUA community typed in “how do I get a girlfriend?” looking for help.

The difference with this movie is that this movie will get massive exposure compared to like a Sandman video or a Rational Male article and we might capture a nice 10% chunk of men this time instead of just another 1%. And that’s GOOD, that’s a VICTORY, even if the other 90% of people who see the thing continue to hate our guts and try to take over and manipulate shit.

All we need is for 90 minutes men’s issues are presented on-screen in a calm and unbiased way. Because just like TRP, this stuff is based in logic and facts. Women will ignore it, Feminists will hate on it, Blue Pill people will reject it, but that little 10% of men will go “I can’t argue with those stats and what these people are saying and it gels with my personal experiences…I need to google more about this.” and come down the rabbit hole. They won’t just stick to AVFM or stick to one forum, they’ll Google shit in general and EVERYTHING from EVERYONE will come up and they’ll see MGTOW shit, they’ll see TRP shit, they’ll see PUA shit, they’ll see your articles, and they’ll pick and choose what resonates with them but ANY of that is good because it gets them off society’s fucked up path and gets them thinking for themselves.

Inch by inch we save men while the rest of the world shits on us. That’s how it’s going to be for another 50 years, and that’s okay…because the little percents of men that we do bring in through these exposures can’t reject the logic and explanations of their experiences once they read them. Once they see a glitch in the Matrix and realize something is up, they can’t UN-know that….they can be shamed and pressured into trying to unknow it which is why they’ll do it privately behind closed doors late at night when their fat wife is asleep and they’ll clear their Google search history after.

We just have to accept that they’re going to demonize us from all angles forever. And it’s okay, as long as we reach the men that need reaching, because over time that’ll build up. Tortoise and the hare and all that.


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on November 11th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
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New Tyler vid about watering this stuff down for the masses and dumbing things down to make mass-applicable ideas that morons won’t misinterpret even if it hurts guys that more nuanced points could help, and how PUA knows it’s targeting a very small niche audience and doesn’t need mainstream acceptance, and he explains a lot of stuff about the oldschool PUA community and how this shit is all based on logic and we don’t want people to believe us we want people to go out and TRY it (and why I keep pushing guys to go out):

Also it’s a good glimpse into Tyler’s robot brain and why he’s still at the forefront of pickup tech, even in 2015 after like 15 years in the game Tyler is STILL experimenting in-field and trying new ideas out and adapting to what he’s running into in-field because he’s still out multiple days/nights a week, and still mass-experimenting and getting others to experiment and adapting to what’s happening out there. I’ll be sarging this week and I’ll be trying exactly what he’s talking about with his number closes to see for myself what works or doesn’t work and see if I can figure out some nuances of it too, so will a ton of other PUAs who watch this.

Like he says we teach stuff that’s actually mass-tested. I think a lot of people who weren’t in the community back then don’t realize how hardcore we all went out and tested this shit lol We made fun of guys who asked questions without going out and testing it for themselves first. Pretty much any oneitis post got responses of GFTOW (Go Fuck Ten Other Women). Like I’ve said the tactics & techniques board was labelled with don’t even bother posting if you haven’t successfully tested the technique out at LEAST 3 times and ideally gotten laid from it. Minimal mental masturbation. The social experiment lab frame is a great one to have.

His explanation of how “roleplaying builds attraction” is a good example of the “if something sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t, drill deeper to the core diamond universal concept” method of figuring out how attraction ACTUALLY works consistently.

btw I have a bunch of the archives he’s talking about on my harddrive even today lol they’re here if anyone wants them, I believe the PDF password is “fastseduction.com”. I read so many of these back in the day lol:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130817122905/http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/

Almost Friday/Saturday, plenty of hot girls out there for anyone to go out and chat up. ;)


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on November 11th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
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New Tyler vid about watering this stuff down for the masses and dumbing things down to make mass-applicable ideas that morons won’t misinterpret even if it hurts guys that more nuanced points could help, and how PUA knows it’s targeting a very small niche audience and doesn’t need mainstream acceptance, and he explains a lot of stuff about the oldschool PUA community and how this shit is all based on logic and we don’t want people to believe us we want people to go out and TRY it (and why I keep pushing guys to go out):

Also it’s a good glimpse into Tyler’s robot brain and why he’s still at the forefront of pickup tech, even in 2015 after like 15 years in the game Tyler is STILL experimenting in-field and trying new ideas out and adapting to what he’s running into in-field because he’s still out multiple days/nights a week, and still mass-experimenting and getting others to experiment and adapting to what’s happening out there. I’ll be sarging this week and I’ll be trying exactly what he’s talking about with his number closes to see for myself what works or doesn’t work and see if I can figure out some nuances of it too, so will a ton of other PUAs who watch this.

Like he says we teach stuff that’s actually mass-tested. I think a lot of people who weren’t in the community back then don’t realize how hardcore we all went out and tested this shit lol We made fun of guys who asked questions without going out and testing it for themselves first. Pretty much any oneitis post got responses of GFTOW (Go Fuck Ten Other Women). Like I’ve said the tactics & techniques board was labelled with don’t even bother posting if you haven’t successfully tested the technique out at LEAST 3 times and ideally gotten laid from it. Minimal mental masturbation. The social experiment lab frame is a great one to have.

His explanation of how “roleplaying builds attraction” is a good example of the “if something sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t, drill deeper to the core diamond universal concept” method of figuring out how attraction ACTUALLY works consistently.

btw I have a bunch of the archives he’s talking about on my harddrive even today lol they’re here if anyone wants them, I believe the PDF password is “fastseduction.com”. I read so many of these back in the day lol:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130817122905/http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/

Almost Friday/Saturday, plenty of hot girls out there for anyone to go out and chat up. 😉


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“How many guys like Struass, Tucker Max and Roosh live the PUA life and then somewhere between 35-45 mysteriously start to question it all.”

That’s why I keep the possibility open that I might at some point want to settle. I don’t see it happening anytime soon and I have no drive for it at all, but I don’t want to lock myself into the rigid mindset (let alone make a fucking business based around it lol) that I’ll never ever ever want to settle or have kids. I might, probably in my mid/late 40s, and that’s why I’m focusing on figuring out pLTRs and paying attention to the culture (Adele’s Hello song is a different tone from the “I could have another you in a minute” Beyonce shit, I think we’re going to start seeing more pushback of “find a man and settle so you don’t end up alone and miserable dreaming of the guy you passed up” as we see more and more repercussions of feminist influence on young chicks) and noticing the shift away from feminism that some of the <25yo crowd is starting to embrace because I think in 10 years we'll have a VERY different selection of women than we do right now in 2015 and they could be quality (I've met a lot of <25yo's who hit the gym regularly, don't drink very often (but get loaded when they DO lol), eat healthy, read books, etc though they're still "independent women" but we'll see how long that lasts as the current 30-40yo crowd of women age into lonely cat lady misery).

Once you lock yourself into a system like those guys did, you're fucked.

@agent p
"For me Red Pill = Truth, biomechanical overlord, watch we she does not what she says, we are all just animals, truth. Period. Red Pill is the predictive model that works all day long in any culture, it has no morals, it has no agenda, it has no owner, it is a set of facts that live independent of language or social constructs or political systems. It is an objective set of actions that play themselves out every day in every corner of the world where men and women interact."

This. The Red Pill can't be corrupted because it's field-based not theory-based. A guy like Roosh can proclaim he's the father of the red pill and then spout his neomasculinity silliness and tell guys to reject technology (while they all write on internet forums and post videogame reviews on their youtube channels lol) and not wash their hair and marry virgins and throw all sorts of shit out there and the hugbox cult members approved to post on his forum will nod their heads and do what he says without thinking for themselves…but everyone outside of that hugbox will go out and field test shit and go "what he's saying is fucking retarded". There are enough people in all these communities combined that no one can really take it over. They can take it over to the mainstream, like Elam can become the face of men's issues to Oprah, but none of that affects the day to day field testing that everyone is doing…Elam being on Oprah doesn't affect scribblerg going on a date with some old chick who spouts the exact nonsense that Rollo's articles have taught him she'll spout.

There's two channels going on, the mainstream view of this stuff and the actual community. The mainstream view won't affect the community itself, no one on these forums will see a Jezebel article about how evil TRP is and go "well I'm never reading Rollo's blog again, what was I thinking!!" And the people in the mainstream who hate on the community are the people who would never have drank the water we led them to anyway. And the people who will drink the water because they need answers will sneak under the radar of mainstream disapproval to explore the rabbit hole just like we all did.


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“How many guys like Struass, Tucker Max and Roosh live the PUA life and then somewhere between 35-45 mysteriously start to question it all.”

That’s why I keep the possibility open that I might at some point want to settle. I don’t see it happening anytime soon and I have no drive for it at all, but I don’t want to lock myself into the rigid mindset (let alone make a fucking business based around it lol) that I’ll never ever ever want to settle or have kids. I might, probably in my mid/late 40s, and that’s why I’m focusing on figuring out pLTRs and paying attention to the culture (Adele’s Hello song is a different tone from the “I could have another you in a minute” Beyonce shit, I think we’re going to start seeing more pushback of “find a man and settle so you don’t end up alone and miserable dreaming of the guy you passed up” as we see more and more repercussions of feminist influence on young chicks) and noticing the shift away from feminism that some of the <25yo crowd is starting to embrace because I think in 10 years we'll have a VERY different selection of women than we do right now in 2015 and they could be quality (I've met a lot of <25yo's who hit the gym regularly, don't drink very often (but get loaded when they DO lol), eat healthy, read books, etc though they're still "independent women" but we'll see how long that lasts as the current 30-40yo crowd of women age into lonely cat lady misery).

Once you lock yourself into a system like those guys did, you're fucked.

@agent p
"For me Red Pill = Truth, biomechanical overlord, watch we she does not what she says, we are all just animals, truth. Period. Red Pill is the predictive model that works all day long in any culture, it has no morals, it has no agenda, it has no owner, it is a set of facts that live independent of language or social constructs or political systems. It is an objective set of actions that play themselves out every day in every corner of the world where men and women interact."

This. The Red Pill can't be corrupted because it's field-based not theory-based. A guy like Roosh can proclaim he's the father of the red pill and then spout his neomasculinity silliness and tell guys to reject technology (while they all write on internet forums and post videogame reviews on their youtube channels lol) and not wash their hair and marry virgins and throw all sorts of shit out there and the hugbox cult members approved to post on his forum will nod their heads and do what he says without thinking for themselves…but everyone outside of that hugbox will go out and field test shit and go "what he's saying is fucking retarded". There are enough people in all these communities combined that no one can really take it over. They can take it over to the mainstream, like Elam can become the face of men's issues to Oprah, but none of that affects the day to day field testing that everyone is doing…Elam being on Oprah doesn't affect scribblerg going on a date with some old chick who spouts the exact nonsense that Rollo's articles have taught him she'll spout.

There's two channels going on, the mainstream view of this stuff and the actual community. The mainstream view won't affect the community itself, no one on these forums will see a Jezebel article about how evil TRP is and go "well I'm never reading Rollo's blog again, what was I thinking!!" And the people in the mainstream who hate on the community are the people who would never have drank the water we led them to anyway. And the people who will drink the water because they need answers will sneak under the radar of mainstream disapproval to explore the rabbit hole just like we all did.


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“The owner gets to define meaning.”

But the question is: to WHO? To the Oprah audience? Who cares lol Don’t let us have men’s clubs, that’s fine, we’ll meet up somewhere else. Don’t let us have a male space, that’s fine, we’ll make one on the internet. Ban forums on the internet, that’s fine, we’ll do it in private. What Oprah’s audience thinks of it is irrelevant because they’re never going to help us…and how COULD they?


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“The owner gets to define meaning.”

But the question is: to WHO? To the Oprah audience? Who cares lol Don’t let us have men’s clubs, that’s fine, we’ll meet up somewhere else. Don’t let us have a male space, that’s fine, we’ll make one on the internet. Ban forums on the internet, that’s fine, we’ll do it in private. What Oprah’s audience thinks of it is irrelevant because they’re never going to help us…and how COULD they?


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“Sorry guys, but, I loath contradictions.”

And I loathe people who misrepresent what I say…if I settled it would be into a pLTR as described here, not a monoLTR, and especially not a legal monoLTR:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-114069

@Dutchman
“In the last thread, you were talking about how the Tinderstagrambook 24/7 validation cycle has made women MUCH flakier than they were ten years ago. Is that true across the board or is the effect much more profound with 6s and 7s than 8s and 9s (who already know how hot they are and get shitloads of validation IRL)?”

The interesting thing, and I don’t want to make adamant claims yet because I want more data on it but as far as my and my buddies personal experiences have gone…shit, this is going to be pretty nuanced lol, stick with me here because you’re on the right track in thinking there’s a divide between the normal girls and hotter ones, I’ve actually given this a lot of thought the past couple years but explaining it all requires some tech history on 2015’s 24/7 validation culture before getting to your actual question about flaking, and I know this isn’t even going to be useful to many guys here so this is probably more for my archives incase it becomes a trend so I can say “hey I spotted it early on” like my Reversion Theory lol

WARNING! THE FOLLOWING IS KEYBOARD JOCKEY(ISH) THEORY:

I think the whole Tinder hookup thing is on its way out and we’re going to see a renewed appreciation by the top smokin hot high-9 and 10 girls for cold approach game. Online dating in general basically gave every guy a very easy way to avoid embarrassing rejection and the ability to spam-“approach” girls etc. When an online dating site catches on, the trend tends to be that it’s full of hot girls who are looking for fun and partying and hooking up, and generally cool social guys looking for the same. Then word gets out about it and a bunch more dudes flood onto it, lots of super chodes and shit and they start to scare the hotter girls away because it’s harder for them to weed through the masses. But these guys are all thirsty so they’re messaging every chick hoping to get ANY kind of poon, and a lot of these guys are good-looking and/or well-off dudes who just don’t have the balls to cold approach in real life. Those guys start getting laid like crazy and at first there’s still enough 7s and 8s and the occasional 9 on the service for it to work out great and there’s like a little “golden era” for like a year maybe. But word catches on to the damaged fatty uggo chicks, the 300lbs single mom with 3 kids from 3 different dads who has that “deserve me at my best” quote in their profile, that they can get laid by these thirsty guys who are messaging anything with a pulse when they’re drunk and horny at 2am, and those chicks flood the site. So by the end of the life cycle, the site has become just ugly gross damaged chicks and a shit-ton of chodes and some cool/good-looking/rich dudes slumming it…but the smokin hotties have usually taken off or just leave their profile up to gain Instagram followers or their profiles turn out to be spam. Tinder is in the end stages of this cycle, the girls on there now are nowhere near the quality they were a year or two ago and they’re charging money now and it’s full of spam profiles etc etc

Now there’ll be another service that starts up, and it’ll probably follow the usual life cycle, BUT I think while online dating was all hip and new back in like the late 2000s, it’s run its course enough and been filled with enough chodes who are looking for the easy “approaches” of sending online messages where they don’t have to actually step up and put their balls on the line, that the legit smokin hotties who know they need a man with balls, are losing interest in the whole online dating thing and are a LOT more receptive to a guy who can smoothly cold approach (whether its daytime or at the bar, though they’ll probably have less of a bitch-shield during the day so personally I think daygame on hot girls will start becoming the optimal easy method of landing them with the least effort, if you can get past the mental hurdles and Approach Anxiety of running daygame). There’s an element of romance to it that’s been lost with the tech age, like the mysterious stranger opens her during the day in a store and charms her type fantasy that’s become a lot more rare now that everyone is buried in their phones and trying to get their attention through messaging. Same thing with making voice calls, I’ve been a HUGE texter, my text game is rock solid and has killed for years, BUT I’ve been experimenting with making voice calls to try to counter the flakiness of the social media culture in 2015 (a voice call making you more “real” to the girl VS getting lost in her sea of texts, plus while she’s talking to you she’s only having a conversation with YOU not 50 other people like if you’re texting) and I’ve been getting excellent reception off it (most of the <25yo girls will flat out say stuff like "what I love about older men is that they actually CALL or leave a voicemail").

Analogy-wise it's kind of like women love a man who can swim, but online dating threw millions of life vests into the water so that every chode with a pulse can swim and now the legit hotties are like "ah shit, let's go deeper into the water and look for the guys who can actually swim to us". That's probably not a good analogy, this is the first time I've tried to explain this dynamic I'm noticing lol The point is it's kind of like tech threw everyone "beta bait" and now that everyone's taken it the really hot girls want the alphas who turn away the beta bait and step up because ultimately that's the type of guy they NEED, a man with balls and confidence enough to not be too intimidated by them to approach or call or whatever instead of the guys hiding behind mass-texting "hey ur cute"

We know women love this 24/7 validation culture. In the past before Tinder, Instagram, online dating, even before texting, they got some validation here and there but it's like, literally any 4/10 with a good MySpace angle can have dudes with chisled jaws begging to fly them to Paris. Now logically, the hotter the girl the more of this validation she gets, right? Like if in the middle of a random Saturday night you take the phone of a 4/10, the phone of an 8/10, and the phone of a legit 10/10, common sense tells us that the 4/10 is going to have a ton of validation but not nearly as much as the 8/10 and both of them are going to be absolutely DWARFED by the massive 10 pages of incoming texts, Likes, instagram messages, online dating messages etc that a 10 has, especially if she's an outgoing sexy chick that isn't like a quiet bookworm type, like say a smokin hot bartender who's in a social scene and has an Instagram full of sexy pics trying to get the attention of Dan Blizerian and modelling contracts and rich millionaires and shit.

BUT, the interesting thing to note is that in-field at the bar, while I know guys (especially guys who don't actually go out) love the stereotype of "all these women are glued to their phones, bunch of validation whores they don't even look at eachother anymore they all just stare at their Instagram Likes all night long and interrupt dates to answer their texts and shit!", I'm noticing that the girls who are glued to their phones in that way are often the 4-8 range girls. The legit high 9s and 10s, and this may not have been the case in like, 2010 when social media and online dating were newer and more exciting concepts, but in 2015 they tend to not even have their phones out and instead be looking around the room like totally open to conversation hoping some guy will step up and talk to them.

It's kind of like drinking, everyone (especially the guys who don't go out) loves to push the stereotype that girls at the bar are all dumb drunk bar sluts who get wasted and shit…and that's true in the 4-8 and even some 9 looks range. But the high-9s and 10s, if you really pay attention to them when you see them, you'll see their night very often will consist of: show up at the bar pretty much sober, strut around the room for a few laps, stand around and accept a couple free drinks from the manager or some douchey guys begging to buy them drinks, look around the room, do another lap, and then leave. Often they're in and out in an hour or two, VS the other girls who show up at 10pm and throw back tequila shots till they can barely stand up by 1am. My theory on why these girls do this is that they're not in it to just get laid that night, they're in it to lure the top 1% of men and they know those guys don't want the falling over wasted sloppy chick who embarrasses herself barfing in the bathroom or crawling all over some lame chode on the dance floor because they're wasted enough to lower their standards. Plus they're building a reputation because they're meeting the managers and bartenders and bouncers and basically working their way into that "high-value" (to a hot <25yo girl) social circle scene (ie – they'll be the ones that get invited to the rooftop condo parties and Vegas trips to meet celebrities and shit). They come in and peacock, stay in relative control of their faculties, and then leave and go to the next venue to do the same thing and literally that's their night, followed by probably fucking an ex-boyfriend or fuckbuddy instead of some random dude off the dance floor. They consciously or subconsciously understand that they'll get more value out of the opportunity to meet that top 1% male than they will out of the cheap tequila shots on special that night. I mean realistically a hot girl can go from working at Starbucks to having literal millions if she meets a rich Provider dude by just doing some situps and not having that tequila shot, none of US can make that kind of financial leap for just combing our hair real nice and not eating a burger lol And often, ironically, these girls won't even get HIT on…every head in the room will stare at them and a couple guys might try some "I expect to get shot down because you're way out of my league" drunk hail mary approaches but often they'll be too intimidatingly hot for guys to approach (and guys will make the excuse that they MUST have boyfriends etc). The bottle guys will offer them free drinks for a chance to talk to them but often these girls will just stand around and dance alone and do laps bored out of their mind and THAT'S when you'll see them finally checking their phones, because no one cool and engaging will approach them and they can't really be into guys who don't have the confidence to approach them because they know those guys won't be able to handle dating them.

Now this is for normal venues in a normal big city, VS like in an anomally place like Vegas or New York or certain "bottles & models" scenes you'll probably see a lot more of the top girls on their phones all night but they have more reason to be because 1) they're often just paid to be sitting at those tables with those guys and are bored out of their mind and know no one will step up and approach them (or even CAN approach them if they're VIP'ed off) so why not dive into their phones, and 2) maintaining their social media in a city like Vegas or L.A. will give them access to high-level celebrities so it's a worthy time investment compared to in just a normal big city where like, they're not going to see Kanye partying in the club they're in lol I think age also plays a factor in that an older chick has more reason to be on her phone because she needs as many leads as she can since she's closer to the wall than a <25yo is, but then a 25+yo automatically isn't a cream of the crop girl because she's heading into her 30s soon lol So like, I'm talking about when you're out at your local venues in a normal big city that isn't over the top with that shit.

My theory on what's going on, and again this is just a really small thing I've noticed because I'm always looking for how the dynamics are changing when I'm out so it's not something that's super blatant and everyone's talking about it or anything, but the legit top chicks have had so much validation that they KNOW 99% of it is bullshit fluff. They KNOW that chisled jaw guy on Tinder is going to be a chode from his first text to them, partly just because he's ON Tinder in the first place. They've gone on lame boring dinner dates with those guys. They've had so many Instagram Likes that they KNOW when they post their selfie from the bar they're going to have 200 Likes by the end of the night and they know that those don't really matter or mean anything and aren't going to pan out into them actually meeting a high-value guy that rocks their world. They KNOW that the 50 texts on their phone from orbiters are texts they can ignore (and the guys will just keep trying no matter how little effort they put in or how much they ignore them) and basically aren't important vital texts that they NEED to check out in the middle of the night when they could be looking approachable and interacting with a high-value guy who steps up and approaches them or, if they ARE interacting with a high-value interesting dude, they know that engaging with him is higher priority than even READING their millions of orbiter texts from guys they aren't interested in.

But the 4-8s and low/mid 9s (where they're not QUITE the hottest girls and that bugs them or they worry about it more and are a little insecure with a chip on their shoulder like short guys often are, so they need the validation more than like a legit hot confident high 9 or 10 who just doesn't care about the validation as much because she's internally confident) seem to place a lot more value, especially the 5-7 range, on all this random validation coming in. THOSE chicks are super excited to get messages from those Tinder matches and are excited to get Instagram Likes and excited to get texts from a bunch of orbiters because for them it's not as common/mundane as it's become for the top girls.

It's like if you hand me $10,000 I'll shit bricks with joy and dance around. If you hand Bill Gates $10,000, he'll be like "that's cool" and be pleased about it but it's not going to rock his world because he has a jillion dollars already. Those validation streams on their phones are like the $10,000…the metaphorically "poor" girls love it and the "rich" girls don't really care and know that a guy who can approach them confidently and seduce them properly is worth a billion dollars.

So the tl;dr of it is basically from what I've found there IS a difference, but it's the OPPOSITE of what most guys would naturally assume…instead of the hotter girls being the ones who are MORE obsessed with all that validation because they get more of it, they're the ones who are jaded by it and hoping that some guy steps up to them confidently in person. Because think about it logically: it can cost those girls like $200 to go out when you factor in their hair, makeup, nails, shoes, dresses, etc etc In theory if that validation were enough they wouldn't bother going out to the bar because they could just sit at home enjoying all that validation…why would they bother blowing all that money and getting all dolled up and going out to wander around the bars? Because they know the validation they're getting from their social media is empty VS the lower tier girls who don't realize that yet and think that Tinder guy or that orbiter texting them is going to be their dream guy.

That all said I think this affects the flaking level too. I've been flaked on WAY harder by like 6s and 7s than I have by 8s and 9s. Those 6s and 7s almost can't separate high value from fake validation value (like that guy on Tinder isn't showing a pic of him sitting around watching YouTube and eating a burrito, he's got his pics of the time he surfed in Cuba and shit up there, just like how Facebook/Instagram is basically the polished and best moments and pics of everyone's lives to put on a front like everyone is successful and beautiful 24/7 when their real lives are often all fucked up and not glamourous at all)…so those girls meet guys like my buddies and I and are like ya this is cool but these other guys are great too and whichever one happens to text me at the right moment that I'm up for meeting up that's the guy I'll go for because who cares. But the higher end chicks almost appreciate like "this guy stepped up and approached me in front of my friends, and won me AND them over, that NEVER happens especially these days because I'm a 21yo girl who's grown up in texting and social media culture and all the men my age can't do that they just try to find my Facebook account to message me I've really only seen someone approach like that in Ryan Gosling movies, and I know and appreciate how rare that is, so I'm going to be less of a flake on this guy because I should explore this opportunity incase THIS is the guy that can handle me".

But I need way more data to make absolute conclusions on this (good incentive to hit on the hotter girls lol I can probably come up with some routine about this that involves them showing me how full of validation their phone's screen is and making fun of it together (I'll often Tinder with girls or take their phone and text their clingy orbiters bitchy stuff for them). I'm already planning to experiment with disqualifying girls during number closes with "take your phone out and if there's no notices for instagram likes, facebook messages, or other dudes texting on your lock screen, you can have my number" lol). It's just a thing I've been noticing in the <25yo crowd and if I was a betting man who was deciding on what style of game to focus on I would focus primarily on Mystery Method cold approach for the nightlife (because it's designed for the high end girls) and whatever style of daygame (indirect, direct, whatever, personally I think indirect feels more "romantic movie moment" to the girl because there are elements of Mystery Method in it where she chooses you and wins you over which can be important in terms of investment on her part and avoiding flakes etc), with the edge going to daygame depending on your city (some cities have good daygame spots with an abundance of hot girls and some cities you'll only find the hot girls in the nightlife). But again this is keyboard jockeying speculation so take it all with a grain of salt and just keep an eye for it when you're out, pay attention to the hottest girls in the venue and spot when they check their phones (often it'll be when they're bored because no one has talked to them, and I actually wonder sometimes if they're just pretending to text or texting their friend "fuck why won't anyone hit on me?? I must be ugly tonight" like us guys do so we don't look lame just sitting around in silence lol) and what their general behavior through the night is like (how many guys ACTUALLY approach them and when they arrive/leave etc).


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“Sorry guys, but, I loath contradictions.”

And I loathe people who misrepresent what I say…if I settled it would be into a pLTR as described here, not a monoLTR, and especially not a legal monoLTR:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-114069

@Dutchman
“In the last thread, you were talking about how the Tinderstagrambook 24/7 validation cycle has made women MUCH flakier than they were ten years ago. Is that true across the board or is the effect much more profound with 6s and 7s than 8s and 9s (who already know how hot they are and get shitloads of validation IRL)?”

The interesting thing, and I don’t want to make adamant claims yet because I want more data on it but as far as my and my buddies personal experiences have gone…shit, this is going to be pretty nuanced lol, stick with me here because you’re on the right track in thinking there’s a divide between the normal girls and hotter ones, I’ve actually given this a lot of thought the past couple years but explaining it all requires some tech history on 2015’s 24/7 validation culture before getting to your actual question about flaking, and I know this isn’t even going to be useful to many guys here so this is probably more for my archives incase it becomes a trend so I can say “hey I spotted it early on” like my Reversion Theory lol

WARNING! THE FOLLOWING IS KEYBOARD JOCKEY(ISH) THEORY:

I think the whole Tinder hookup thing is on its way out and we’re going to see a renewed appreciation by the top smokin hot high-9 and 10 girls for cold approach game. Online dating in general basically gave every guy a very easy way to avoid embarrassing rejection and the ability to spam-“approach” girls etc. When an online dating site catches on, the trend tends to be that it’s full of hot girls who are looking for fun and partying and hooking up, and generally cool social guys looking for the same. Then word gets out about it and a bunch more dudes flood onto it, lots of super chodes and shit and they start to scare the hotter girls away because it’s harder for them to weed through the masses. But these guys are all thirsty so they’re messaging every chick hoping to get ANY kind of poon, and a lot of these guys are good-looking and/or well-off dudes who just don’t have the balls to cold approach in real life. Those guys start getting laid like crazy and at first there’s still enough 7s and 8s and the occasional 9 on the service for it to work out great and there’s like a little “golden era” for like a year maybe. But word catches on to the damaged fatty uggo chicks, the 300lbs single mom with 3 kids from 3 different dads who has that “deserve me at my best” quote in their profile, that they can get laid by these thirsty guys who are messaging anything with a pulse when they’re drunk and horny at 2am, and those chicks flood the site. So by the end of the life cycle, the site has become just ugly gross damaged chicks and a shit-ton of chodes and some cool/good-looking/rich dudes slumming it…but the smokin hotties have usually taken off or just leave their profile up to gain Instagram followers or their profiles turn out to be spam. Tinder is in the end stages of this cycle, the girls on there now are nowhere near the quality they were a year or two ago and they’re charging money now and it’s full of spam profiles etc etc

Now there’ll be another service that starts up, and it’ll probably follow the usual life cycle, BUT I think while online dating was all hip and new back in like the late 2000s, it’s run its course enough and been filled with enough chodes who are looking for the easy “approaches” of sending online messages where they don’t have to actually step up and put their balls on the line, that the legit smokin hotties who know they need a man with balls, are losing interest in the whole online dating thing and are a LOT more receptive to a guy who can smoothly cold approach (whether its daytime or at the bar, though they’ll probably have less of a bitch-shield during the day so personally I think daygame on hot girls will start becoming the optimal easy method of landing them with the least effort, if you can get past the mental hurdles and Approach Anxiety of running daygame). There’s an element of romance to it that’s been lost with the tech age, like the mysterious stranger opens her during the day in a store and charms her type fantasy that’s become a lot more rare now that everyone is buried in their phones and trying to get their attention through messaging. Same thing with making voice calls, I’ve been a HUGE texter, my text game is rock solid and has killed for years, BUT I’ve been experimenting with making voice calls to try to counter the flakiness of the social media culture in 2015 (a voice call making you more “real” to the girl VS getting lost in her sea of texts, plus while she’s talking to you she’s only having a conversation with YOU not 50 other people like if you’re texting) and I’ve been getting excellent reception off it (most of the <25yo girls will flat out say stuff like "what I love about older men is that they actually CALL or leave a voicemail").

Analogy-wise it's kind of like women love a man who can swim, but online dating threw millions of life vests into the water so that every chode with a pulse can swim and now the legit hotties are like "ah shit, let's go deeper into the water and look for the guys who can actually swim to us". That's probably not a good analogy, this is the first time I've tried to explain this dynamic I'm noticing lol The point is it's kind of like tech threw everyone "beta bait" and now that everyone's taken it the really hot girls want the alphas who turn away the beta bait and step up because ultimately that's the type of guy they NEED, a man with balls and confidence enough to not be too intimidated by them to approach or call or whatever instead of the guys hiding behind mass-texting "hey ur cute"

We know women love this 24/7 validation culture. In the past before Tinder, Instagram, online dating, even before texting, they got some validation here and there but it's like, literally any 4/10 with a good MySpace angle can have dudes with chisled jaws begging to fly them to Paris. Now logically, the hotter the girl the more of this validation she gets, right? Like if in the middle of a random Saturday night you take the phone of a 4/10, the phone of an 8/10, and the phone of a legit 10/10, common sense tells us that the 4/10 is going to have a ton of validation but not nearly as much as the 8/10 and both of them are going to be absolutely DWARFED by the massive 10 pages of incoming texts, Likes, instagram messages, online dating messages etc that a 10 has, especially if she's an outgoing sexy chick that isn't like a quiet bookworm type, like say a smokin hot bartender who's in a social scene and has an Instagram full of sexy pics trying to get the attention of Dan Blizerian and modelling contracts and rich millionaires and shit.

BUT, the interesting thing to note is that in-field at the bar, while I know guys (especially guys who don't actually go out) love the stereotype of "all these women are glued to their phones, bunch of validation whores they don't even look at eachother anymore they all just stare at their Instagram Likes all night long and interrupt dates to answer their texts and shit!", I'm noticing that the girls who are glued to their phones in that way are often the 4-8 range girls. The legit high 9s and 10s, and this may not have been the case in like, 2010 when social media and online dating were newer and more exciting concepts, but in 2015 they tend to not even have their phones out and instead be looking around the room like totally open to conversation hoping some guy will step up and talk to them.

It's kind of like drinking, everyone (especially the guys who don't go out) loves to push the stereotype that girls at the bar are all dumb drunk bar sluts who get wasted and shit…and that's true in the 4-8 and even some 9 looks range. But the high-9s and 10s, if you really pay attention to them when you see them, you'll see their night very often will consist of: show up at the bar pretty much sober, strut around the room for a few laps, stand around and accept a couple free drinks from the manager or some douchey guys begging to buy them drinks, look around the room, do another lap, and then leave. Often they're in and out in an hour or two, VS the other girls who show up at 10pm and throw back tequila shots till they can barely stand up by 1am. My theory on why these girls do this is that they're not in it to just get laid that night, they're in it to lure the top 1% of men and they know those guys don't want the falling over wasted sloppy chick who embarrasses herself barfing in the bathroom or crawling all over some lame chode on the dance floor because they're wasted enough to lower their standards. Plus they're building a reputation because they're meeting the managers and bartenders and bouncers and basically working their way into that "high-value" (to a hot <25yo girl) social circle scene (ie – they'll be the ones that get invited to the rooftop condo parties and Vegas trips to meet celebrities and shit). They come in and peacock, stay in relative control of their faculties, and then leave and go to the next venue to do the same thing and literally that's their night, followed by probably fucking an ex-boyfriend or fuckbuddy instead of some random dude off the dance floor. They consciously or subconsciously understand that they'll get more value out of the opportunity to meet that top 1% male than they will out of the cheap tequila shots on special that night. I mean realistically a hot girl can go from working at Starbucks to having literal millions if she meets a rich Provider dude by just doing some situps and not having that tequila shot, none of US can make that kind of financial leap for just combing our hair real nice and not eating a burger lol And often, ironically, these girls won't even get HIT on…every head in the room will stare at them and a couple guys might try some "I expect to get shot down because you're way out of my league" drunk hail mary approaches but often they'll be too intimidatingly hot for guys to approach (and guys will make the excuse that they MUST have boyfriends etc). The bottle guys will offer them free drinks for a chance to talk to them but often these girls will just stand around and dance alone and do laps bored out of their mind and THAT'S when you'll see them finally checking their phones, because no one cool and engaging will approach them and they can't really be into guys who don't have the confidence to approach them because they know those guys won't be able to handle dating them.

Now this is for normal venues in a normal big city, VS like in an anomally place like Vegas or New York or certain "bottles & models" scenes you'll probably see a lot more of the top girls on their phones all night but they have more reason to be because 1) they're often just paid to be sitting at those tables with those guys and are bored out of their mind and know no one will step up and approach them (or even CAN approach them if they're VIP'ed off) so why not dive into their phones, and 2) maintaining their social media in a city like Vegas or L.A. will give them access to high-level celebrities so it's a worthy time investment compared to in just a normal big city where like, they're not going to see Kanye partying in the club they're in lol I think age also plays a factor in that an older chick has more reason to be on her phone because she needs as many leads as she can since she's closer to the wall than a <25yo is, but then a 25+yo automatically isn't a cream of the crop girl because she's heading into her 30s soon lol So like, I'm talking about when you're out at your local venues in a normal big city that isn't over the top with that shit.

My theory on what's going on, and again this is just a really small thing I've noticed because I'm always looking for how the dynamics are changing when I'm out so it's not something that's super blatant and everyone's talking about it or anything, but the legit top chicks have had so much validation that they KNOW 99% of it is bullshit fluff. They KNOW that chisled jaw guy on Tinder is going to be a chode from his first text to them, partly just because he's ON Tinder in the first place. They've gone on lame boring dinner dates with those guys. They've had so many Instagram Likes that they KNOW when they post their selfie from the bar they're going to have 200 Likes by the end of the night and they know that those don't really matter or mean anything and aren't going to pan out into them actually meeting a high-value guy that rocks their world. They KNOW that the 50 texts on their phone from orbiters are texts they can ignore (and the guys will just keep trying no matter how little effort they put in or how much they ignore them) and basically aren't important vital texts that they NEED to check out in the middle of the night when they could be looking approachable and interacting with a high-value guy who steps up and approaches them or, if they ARE interacting with a high-value interesting dude, they know that engaging with him is higher priority than even READING their millions of orbiter texts from guys they aren't interested in.

But the 4-8s and low/mid 9s (where they're not QUITE the hottest girls and that bugs them or they worry about it more and are a little insecure with a chip on their shoulder like short guys often are, so they need the validation more than like a legit hot confident high 9 or 10 who just doesn't care about the validation as much because she's internally confident) seem to place a lot more value, especially the 5-7 range, on all this random validation coming in. THOSE chicks are super excited to get messages from those Tinder matches and are excited to get Instagram Likes and excited to get texts from a bunch of orbiters because for them it's not as common/mundane as it's become for the top girls.

It's like if you hand me $10,000 I'll shit bricks with joy and dance around. If you hand Bill Gates $10,000, he'll be like "that's cool" and be pleased about it but it's not going to rock his world because he has a jillion dollars already. Those validation streams on their phones are like the $10,000…the metaphorically "poor" girls love it and the "rich" girls don't really care and know that a guy who can approach them confidently and seduce them properly is worth a billion dollars.

So the tl;dr of it is basically from what I've found there IS a difference, but it's the OPPOSITE of what most guys would naturally assume…instead of the hotter girls being the ones who are MORE obsessed with all that validation because they get more of it, they're the ones who are jaded by it and hoping that some guy steps up to them confidently in person. Because think about it logically: it can cost those girls like $200 to go out when you factor in their hair, makeup, nails, shoes, dresses, etc etc In theory if that validation were enough they wouldn't bother going out to the bar because they could just sit at home enjoying all that validation…why would they bother blowing all that money and getting all dolled up and going out to wander around the bars? Because they know the validation they're getting from their social media is empty VS the lower tier girls who don't realize that yet and think that Tinder guy or that orbiter texting them is going to be their dream guy.

That all said I think this affects the flaking level too. I've been flaked on WAY harder by like 6s and 7s than I have by 8s and 9s. Those 6s and 7s almost can't separate high value from fake validation value (like that guy on Tinder isn't showing a pic of him sitting around watching YouTube and eating a burrito, he's got his pics of the time he surfed in Cuba and shit up there, just like how Facebook/Instagram is basically the polished and best moments and pics of everyone's lives to put on a front like everyone is successful and beautiful 24/7 when their real lives are often all fucked up and not glamourous at all)…so those girls meet guys like my buddies and I and are like ya this is cool but these other guys are great too and whichever one happens to text me at the right moment that I'm up for meeting up that's the guy I'll go for because who cares. But the higher end chicks almost appreciate like "this guy stepped up and approached me in front of my friends, and won me AND them over, that NEVER happens especially these days because I'm a 21yo girl who's grown up in texting and social media culture and all the men my age can't do that they just try to find my Facebook account to message me I've really only seen someone approach like that in Ryan Gosling movies, and I know and appreciate how rare that is, so I'm going to be less of a flake on this guy because I should explore this opportunity incase THIS is the guy that can handle me".

But I need way more data to make absolute conclusions on this (good incentive to hit on the hotter girls lol I can probably come up with some routine about this that involves them showing me how full of validation their phone's screen is and making fun of it together (I'll often Tinder with girls or take their phone and text their clingy orbiters bitchy stuff for them). I'm already planning to experiment with disqualifying girls during number closes with "take your phone out and if there's no notices for instagram likes, facebook messages, or other dudes texting on your lock screen, you can have my number" lol). It's just a thing I've been noticing in the <25yo crowd and if I was a betting man who was deciding on what style of game to focus on I would focus primarily on Mystery Method cold approach for the nightlife (because it's designed for the high end girls) and whatever style of daygame (indirect, direct, whatever, personally I think indirect feels more "romantic movie moment" to the girl because there are elements of Mystery Method in it where she chooses you and wins you over which can be important in terms of investment on her part and avoiding flakes etc), with the edge going to daygame depending on your city (some cities have good daygame spots with an abundance of hot girls and some cities you'll only find the hot girls in the nightlife). But again this is keyboard jockeying speculation so take it all with a grain of salt and just keep an eye for it when you're out, pay attention to the hottest girls in the venue and spot when they check their phones (often it'll be when they're bored because no one has talked to them, and I actually wonder sometimes if they're just pretending to text or texting their friend "fuck why won't anyone hit on me?? I must be ugly tonight" like us guys do so we don't look lame just sitting around in silence lol) and what their general behavior through the night is like (how many guys ACTUALLY approach them and when they arrive/leave etc).


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“Cold approach is the way to go. The more things change…”

Ultimately it’s a good thing. I would LOVE to see things shift to where guys out there all end up learning to cold approach legit hotties…that would be amazing.

It’s depressing to me to see so many dudes who have so much unrealized potential standing around holding a drink up at their chest in a bar full of women, texting some Tinder 6/10 to hook up with because they’re too scared or socially inept or lack the confidence and belief in their own inherent value as men to just say hello to a gorgeous girl who’s hoping she didn’t waste all the effort she put into looking good that night.


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“Cold approach is the way to go. The more things change…”

Ultimately it’s a good thing. I would LOVE to see things shift to where guys out there all end up learning to cold approach legit hotties…that would be amazing.

It’s depressing to me to see so many dudes who have so much unrealized potential standing around holding a drink up at their chest in a bar full of women, texting some Tinder 6/10 to hook up with because they’re too scared or socially inept or lack the confidence and belief in their own inherent value as men to just say hello to a gorgeous girl who’s hoping she didn’t waste all the effort she put into looking good that night.


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fuckin Gandalf up in here lol


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fuckin Gandalf up in here lol


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“Out of all PUA’s out there, Paul Janka made an impression. Most PUAs were talking about gaming at clubs, while PJ was about cold approach.”

To the dude who was asking for daygame resources in the other thread (can’t remember who), Paul Janka is a key one to check out. He has a lot of “outside the box” tactics that are fuckin smart. Really everyone should check out his getting pussy in NYC eBook/PDF thing, pretty sure it’s free and a short read. Lots of interesting ideas in there.


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“Out of all PUA’s out there, Paul Janka made an impression. Most PUAs were talking about gaming at clubs, while PJ was about cold approach.”

To the dude who was asking for daygame resources in the other thread (can’t remember who), Paul Janka is a key one to check out. He has a lot of “outside the box” tactics that are fuckin smart. Really everyone should check out his getting pussy in NYC eBook/PDF thing, pretty sure it’s free and a short read. Lots of interesting ideas in there.


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“I hate to say it but the level of discourse around here is generally pretty high and every time I visit a site like CH where they do discuss issues of race etc, frankly its infantile. Any intelligent points are entirely drowned out by dumb shit being spouted.”

Ya that’s why I don’t even really visit CH anymore. PUAs don’t give a fuck about race or politics, half of us are all nerdy asians and indians and shit and most of us have large social circles full of all sorts of different races and backgrounds and ages and social/financial classes etc because we go out a lot and open all sorts of people (hell I was out with two minority dudes in a bar full of hot white chicks last night lol)

Would definitely not like to watch this comment section spiral into the same race/politics flamewars as over at CH, that shit is embarrassing to even read lol It’s not even intelligent discussion, it’s just retards throwing garbage at eachother like a schoolyard trying to drown eachother out.

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“YaReally can dream all he wants of being some sexy 50 year old “pLTR”ing some early 20s girl when he doesn’t have a pot to pee in and can’t afford to…”

Oh I’ll have money by 50. I just focused on poon before my career because I’m smart. I have all the time in the world to earn money, esp once my dick stops working lol


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“I hate to say it but the level of discourse around here is generally pretty high and every time I visit a site like CH where they do discuss issues of race etc, frankly its infantile. Any intelligent points are entirely drowned out by dumb shit being spouted.”

Ya that’s why I don’t even really visit CH anymore. PUAs don’t give a fuck about race or politics, half of us are all nerdy asians and indians and shit and most of us have large social circles full of all sorts of different races and backgrounds and ages and social/financial classes etc because we go out a lot and open all sorts of people (hell I was out with two minority dudes in a bar full of hot white chicks last night lol)

Would definitely not like to watch this comment section spiral into the same race/politics flamewars as over at CH, that shit is embarrassing to even read lol It’s not even intelligent discussion, it’s just retards throwing garbage at eachother like a schoolyard trying to drown eachother out.

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“YaReally can dream all he wants of being some sexy 50 year old “pLTR”ing some early 20s girl when he doesn’t have a pot to pee in and can’t afford to…”

Oh I’ll have money by 50. I just focused on poon before my career because I’m smart. I have all the time in the world to earn money, esp once my dick stops working lol


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“I don’t do race, politics, cultural ideology, economics or religion on TRM, but I will do those topics as they relate and interact with intersexual dynamics. I do this because underneath all of those constructs men and women still want to find ways to fuck and optimize their individual sexual imperatives.”

This, I’m not opposed to reading that stuff in general because yay knowledge, it’s just that the way it’s “discussed” and I use that term extremely loosely by the people “discussing” it generally leaves a lot to be desired in terms of “is this how I want to spend my time? Reading this dick-measuring race/politics-baiting flamewar shit?” and it has no real relevance to getting laid or self-improvement. Just a bunch of negative output by people who enjoy stewing in negativity.


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“I don’t do race, politics, cultural ideology, economics or religion on TRM, but I will do those topics as they relate and interact with intersexual dynamics. I do this because underneath all of those constructs men and women still want to find ways to fuck and optimize their individual sexual imperatives.”

This, I’m not opposed to reading that stuff in general because yay knowledge, it’s just that the way it’s “discussed” and I use that term extremely loosely by the people “discussing” it generally leaves a lot to be desired in terms of “is this how I want to spend my time? Reading this dick-measuring race/politics-baiting flamewar shit?” and it has no real relevance to getting laid or self-improvement. Just a bunch of negative output by people who enjoy stewing in negativity.


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This is gonna get tech-heavy lol:

“1. Can you say more about calling instead of texting in 2015? Has calling really made a big difference, now that the default is WhatsApp? So you’re basically approaching the standard advice on phone calls from circa 2005?”

I don’t have enough data to say yet. This is a really complicated rabbit hole, I’m finding…I’ll probably eventually do a huge post on it but there has been a big shift where a lot of stuff that stopped working for a while now works again and a lot of stuff that’s worked amazing doesn’t seem to work nearly as well anymore, and I’m pretty sure it’s all related to the social media influence. It’s interesting because I can tell from the content Tyler and Julien are putting out (two guys who are out CONSTANTLY macking 2015 girls so they’re on the frontlines all day errryday) that they’ve run into the same “hmm, we need to adapt to this shift” thing and they’ve been experimenting with new tactics (like that vid I linked at the start of this thread where Tyler talks about trying a different approach to prevent flakey numbers). Like I’ve said, PUA isn’t about sticking to dogmatic ideas no matter what, PUA is about “whatever works”…so when we see stuff shift infield and something stops working or something else works better, we experiment with the new stuff and figure it out and then figure out how to optimize and teach it and we update the knoweldge-base/teachings. That’s why if we found out you need to be rich to get laid, we’d be the first ones to tell guys to go focus on making money. All we care about is “what gets results and holds up under pressure-testing infield?” Tyler in that video explains that he isn’t even teaching his low flake rate technique as part of the actual bootcamp program because he’s “only” field tested it 40-50 times so he wants more data first lol That’s the oldschool PUA mentality right there.

I’ve only done the phone call thing a few times so far, and while it gets a great response, like they love that a guy calls them, and it seems to be a lot better than just texting (though much less convenient, like I can text them while they’re bored at work but can’t call them so it’s more limited in ways), in the end it hasn’t made a lot of different in terms of actually getting them out. Like validation is great, but we want P in V so it doesn’t matter if it gets a good response if it isn’t actually helping convert to lays.

But looking at the stuff Julien and Tyler are talking about and just general testing I’m almost leaning towards literally not even BOTHERING with numbers anymore, except in extremely bad logistical situations where there’s absolutely no choice and if I have to take a number, make them MASSIVELY invest in it. The general issue is that they don’t feel a fear of loss because of texting. In 2005 if she didn’t come with you NOW, she may never see you again because keeping in touch was a lot trickier, you’re calling her parents home phone line, you guys don’t talk for a week and she doesn’t know if you even remember her, if you don’t exchange numbers there’s no way to see the other person again etc. so she had incentive to leave her friends to come with you, AND because she couldn’t keep in touch with her friends easily once you isolated her her friends would assume she went home and she would assume they went home and nobody panicked…like I had a TON of situations where I’d go to pull the girl and we’d do like one lap to look for her friends and if we didn’t see them she’d just be like oh well and we’d leave together off to adventure.

But in 2015 what they tend to do is try to both stay with their friends but also not lose you, like they know if they exchange numbers they can just text you. So now they don’t have to leave their friends (and can instantly text them so that it’s harder to sneak them out past the mother hens and orbiters, instead it’s “hey I’m going home” “no you’re not you’re my ride where are you I’m coming right now!!” bullshit) to come with you to that afterparty because they can just keep in touch via texts and they legitimately THINK they’ll go on a date with you or meet up again, but as time goes on and the emotions they felt when you first met mellow out and they get bombarded with more and more validation from all angles with social media, they end up just too swamped to bother meeting up again.

So like extracting is trickier and that would be okay like just escalate on the Day2s, but with social media 24/7 validation getting them out on a Day2 is trickier too. And like I say in the moment during the initial interaction the girl LOVES you and they legitimately think they’re going to come out and see you again, like it’s not about “oh there wasn’t enough attraction”, it’s just sort of a mental shift where they don’t feel the immediate NEED to go with you because in the social media age they can just “keep in touch” and see you again.

There’s this great clip of Julien in his PIMP product where he’s extracting a girl and it’s literally like 10 minutes of her very CLEARLY into him and WANTING to come with him but still throwing up retarded excuses why she can’t leave her friends and he just plows through every excuse and finally pulls her. You can see the girl is blatantly attracted to him and in 2005 she would just go with him but he has to ramp up the plowing like crazy to make it happen. She keeps trying to get him to just give her his number instead of coming with him and he just shakes his head no and keeps plowing toward the actual pull because he KNOWS if he just gets her number he’ll never see her again and he stresses “come NOW, you’ll never see me again, I have to leave now come with me, just tell your friends you’re going to the bathroom, come now, don’t stay here living your boring little life in this boring little bar, come with me, adventure, don’t worry about them they’ll be fine, they won’t even notice, come, now, or I have to leave, no you don’t need your jacket you can wear mine, come, now” etc etc like he artificially builds “dread game” in there with a fear of loss by refusing to give her his number and making it seem like it’s urgent that she has to come with him. And he’s not doing it in a pleading/convincing like “please come with me?” way, he’s doing it with commanding dominant tonality and occasionally pulling back into comfort etc then pushing forward again.

Here’s part of that set at 6:20 and he explains the concept in this video in general, but in PIMP he shows more of the clip and you can TELL she loves him, and it’s like 10 minutes of this to finally extract her:

We didn’t need this back in 2005, like nowhere NEAR this level. But in the girl’s mind, if she thinks “I can get his number and we can text and like totally hang out next week for sure” then she can say stupid stuff like “I have to stay with my friends” or “but it’s cold” or “but I’m tired” etc and THROW AWAY an adventure with a guy because she thinks that option will still be there in a week or two since she doesn’t realize her attraction is going to go down over time and other stuff will take over her attention and there’ll be newer shinier objects to focus on. In 2005, they wouldn’t throw away that adventure for such a silly reason, they’d throw it away for like REAL logistical issues or objections.

It’s like if you were a virgin who’s never been laid and some hot girl was like “climb this mountain and we can fuck” you’d climb that mountain with a smile on your face…but if you were living at the Playboy mansion banging multiple hot girls all day and night every day and one of them texted you “shower and get dressed and travel halfway across the city to come out for drinks with me and make conversation and be interesting bla bla” and as you’re about to respond to that 5 other girls in the mansion text you saying “hey can I come blow you?” “can I bring you a sandwich?” “can I come pick you up and take you somewhere?” etc you’d be like ehh and not think twice about blowing off that girl who wanted you to make an effort, for just a silly reason like “mehhh I’m too lazy today, mehh it’s kind of cold out…” And even if all those girls bringing you sandwiches and shit all have herpes, you don’t KNOW that at first glance (the equivalent of a guy who seems money in a Tinder profile but turns out to be a chode), so their validation counts as hot girl validation and they all SEEM like viable options that require zero effort.

So the optimal strategy now seems to be to focus more on expecting some resistance (just little silly excuses as she tries to convince you to just give her your number instead) and plowing through that to ideally not even HAVE to deal with numbers at ALL because they’ll often give that same sort of token resistance via text but it’s a lot harder to cut through that with just letters on a little screen VS a dominant tonality and laser eye-contact etc in person, and if you DO have to get a number get her to invest HARD for the number so that it’s not just a random number in her phone with all the other guys in it, it’s the number she had to almost BEG for and has more value and thus she’s more likely to make an effort to meet up (just like you would be more likely to wash the Ferrari you had to scrimp and save for years to earn the money to buy VS if you were just given one as a spoiled rich kid by your dad without personally investing to get it so you care less).

Again this is primarily for cold-approach pulling young chicks from nightclubs and shit. Daygame could be different, social circle game could be different etc. And there are probably other approaches that’ll work, like Tyler’s description of lowering her energy so that she’s in the same mood when you text her as when you got the number from her instead of getting the number while she’s in an amped up state that she won’t be in the next day when you text, etc.

But that’s kind of the point, social media has shaken things up so it’s time to experiment and adapt and optimize to figure out the most efficient strategy for the average guy learning game in 2015.

I don’t feel like the voice calling did enough because even if you run some hardcore plowing through any resistance, the second she hangs up that phone she’s back into validation-land and might end up flaking so I’m probably not even going to experiment with it much anymore (I don’t even LIKE talking on the phone lol)…I’m going to be focusing more on plowing for the Same Night Lay to avoid numbers entirely and if I have to get a number I’m going to focus more on making the girl invest. Here’s a Julien video on making them invest:

Voice calling might be great, try it out and see what you think, and maybe combining voice calling WITH the hardcore investment stuff could be a killer combo in 2015 since the investment makes your number in her phone stand out and the voice calling is just a cherry on top to fully separate you from the herd, so maybe I’ll experiment with it once I get the investment stuff down solid.

Really this is a big part of the fun of the game to me, and why I still enjoy it after years. I love the puzzle solving aspect.

“2. Re Paul Janka”

Jankas entire strategy he explains is based around giving her a “movie trailer” glimpse at him that leaves them curious enough to meet up to find out more. So like, he basically wants to flip as many switches as possible as fast as possible and then get the fuck out of there instead of staling things out. His mindset is “there’s nothing I’m going to do in 10 minutes to make the number more solid than in 1 minute, there’s no benefit to dragging it out and it takes away some of the intrigue/mystery”. So he’s basically trying to streamline flipping switches and DHV’ing as fast as possible, that’s why you’ll hear him drop that he’s a law student or looking for his buddy who’s a law student in his opener (instant high-value DHV and instant comfort, he “belongs” here on campus, he knows people here, he’ll be around in the future rather than a pump n dump since this is an area he spends time in, he’s “safe”), and he’ll close super indirect because as much as everyone loves that direct game and as awesome as that looks as infield footage a lot of the time those numbers flake if you don’t then ALSO spend a bunch of time building comfort and shit to balance out the “look I came over because I want to fuck you” feeling that can trigger ASD causing flaking. And since his goal is to get out of there ASAP if he was just running 1 minute direct game he’d end up with a shitload of flakes. Janka unashamedly goes for the pure numbers game, he’ll approach dozens of girls a day and run his shit and close and go from there so his whole strategy is efficiency.

Closing indirect is a lot less pressure/expectation off a 1 minute interaction so it’s likely to be a lower flake rate. Over the phone or through texting he can then DHV and build his value and everything, and even his Day2’s are often low pressure like he invites them out to something casual or invites her and her friends out with him and his friends and works from there.

And ya his looks don’t hurt, but I can show you a dozen guys in a bar on any fri/sat night that look like him and can’t get their dicks wet (even with iois being thrown at them) to save their lives because they don’t have game lol

I recommend his stuff not because it’s the optimal way to do it but because he has such unorthodox mindsets/strategies compared to what traditional PUA teaches or what traditional direct Krauser daygame teaches (go in direct then pull back and build rapport/comfort etc) so it’s good to take a look at it. Like he doesn’t even go to bars, he just walks around NYC collecting numbers with his quick style of game and then invites them out on a Friday so he’s on Day2s when the rest of us are heading to the bar to compete over pussy lol And he talks about how retarded dinner dates are, no girl wants to get naked for the first time in front of you when she has a giant steak dinner in her. Like he’s got interesting insights because he didn’t study traditional PUA.

Again, his way isn’t the best or anything, but there are aspects of it that are worth looking into and adapting into your game/mindsets or will get you thinking outside the box a bit. Ultimately the Krauser style pickup is probably more solid than the Janka style, but like, you don’t always have time to run a 20 minute set (a lot of Janka’s sets are on the subway because it’s NYC, where she can suddenly get off the train at any second…running Krauser style direct game in that situation is more likely to lead to a flake because all you’ve really had time to get across in 1 minute is that you think she’s hot and want to fuck her and she hasn’t really earned it for anything else lol)

Also I would imagine that in 2015 Janka’s stuff probably doesn’t work as well as it did in like 2005-2010 with all these new dynamics I’m talking about. Like I think he would have to adapt it a bit to make it viable in 2015.

@redlight
“how can your buddy, who could slay in 05 but not now, not take advantage of having you wing to get your feedback?”

Oh I’m helping him out. While he was in a relationship I was out there on the frontlines lol so I’m kind of helping him get back into it and updating him on what’s changed, but he has a lot of old/bad habits from his LTR and the older style of game he was running, and a LOT of pickup you have to experience first-hand a few times before your brain will finally adapt and accept it and start passing those obstacles. Like he needs to get a bunch of flakes before his brain will finally say “ok try this other approach out because this just isn’t working dammit”

That’s why guys who are like “oh I get iois from the girls in my office, so I should ditch my wife and I’ll just slay poon left and right”, it’s like man, iois are great but in 2015 they don’t automatically convert to lays.

@keyser Soze
“Hypergamy doesn’t care about your race/politics or your religion.”

lol this.


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This is gonna get tech-heavy lol:

“1. Can you say more about calling instead of texting in 2015? Has calling really made a big difference, now that the default is WhatsApp? So you’re basically approaching the standard advice on phone calls from circa 2005?”

I don’t have enough data to say yet. This is a really complicated rabbit hole, I’m finding…I’ll probably eventually do a huge post on it but there has been a big shift where a lot of stuff that stopped working for a while now works again and a lot of stuff that’s worked amazing doesn’t seem to work nearly as well anymore, and I’m pretty sure it’s all related to the social media influence. It’s interesting because I can tell from the content Tyler and Julien are putting out (two guys who are out CONSTANTLY macking 2015 girls so they’re on the frontlines all day errryday) that they’ve run into the same “hmm, we need to adapt to this shift” thing and they’ve been experimenting with new tactics (like that vid I linked at the start of this thread where Tyler talks about trying a different approach to prevent flakey numbers). Like I’ve said, PUA isn’t about sticking to dogmatic ideas no matter what, PUA is about “whatever works”…so when we see stuff shift infield and something stops working or something else works better, we experiment with the new stuff and figure it out and then figure out how to optimize and teach it and we update the knoweldge-base/teachings. That’s why if we found out you need to be rich to get laid, we’d be the first ones to tell guys to go focus on making money. All we care about is “what gets results and holds up under pressure-testing infield?” Tyler in that video explains that he isn’t even teaching his low flake rate technique as part of the actual bootcamp program because he’s “only” field tested it 40-50 times so he wants more data first lol That’s the oldschool PUA mentality right there.

I’ve only done the phone call thing a few times so far, and while it gets a great response, like they love that a guy calls them, and it seems to be a lot better than just texting (though much less convenient, like I can text them while they’re bored at work but can’t call them so it’s more limited in ways), in the end it hasn’t made a lot of different in terms of actually getting them out. Like validation is great, but we want P in V so it doesn’t matter if it gets a good response if it isn’t actually helping convert to lays.

But looking at the stuff Julien and Tyler are talking about and just general testing I’m almost leaning towards literally not even BOTHERING with numbers anymore, except in extremely bad logistical situations where there’s absolutely no choice and if I have to take a number, make them MASSIVELY invest in it. The general issue is that they don’t feel a fear of loss because of texting. In 2005 if she didn’t come with you NOW, she may never see you again because keeping in touch was a lot trickier, you’re calling her parents home phone line, you guys don’t talk for a week and she doesn’t know if you even remember her, if you don’t exchange numbers there’s no way to see the other person again etc. so she had incentive to leave her friends to come with you, AND because she couldn’t keep in touch with her friends easily once you isolated her her friends would assume she went home and she would assume they went home and nobody panicked…like I had a TON of situations where I’d go to pull the girl and we’d do like one lap to look for her friends and if we didn’t see them she’d just be like oh well and we’d leave together off to adventure.

But in 2015 what they tend to do is try to both stay with their friends but also not lose you, like they know if they exchange numbers they can just text you. So now they don’t have to leave their friends (and can instantly text them so that it’s harder to sneak them out past the mother hens and orbiters, instead it’s “hey I’m going home” “no you’re not you’re my ride where are you I’m coming right now!!” bullshit) to come with you to that afterparty because they can just keep in touch via texts and they legitimately THINK they’ll go on a date with you or meet up again, but as time goes on and the emotions they felt when you first met mellow out and they get bombarded with more and more validation from all angles with social media, they end up just too swamped to bother meeting up again.

So like extracting is trickier and that would be okay like just escalate on the Day2s, but with social media 24/7 validation getting them out on a Day2 is trickier too. And like I say in the moment during the initial interaction the girl LOVES you and they legitimately think they’re going to come out and see you again, like it’s not about “oh there wasn’t enough attraction”, it’s just sort of a mental shift where they don’t feel the immediate NEED to go with you because in the social media age they can just “keep in touch” and see you again.

There’s this great clip of Julien in his PIMP product where he’s extracting a girl and it’s literally like 10 minutes of her very CLEARLY into him and WANTING to come with him but still throwing up retarded excuses why she can’t leave her friends and he just plows through every excuse and finally pulls her. You can see the girl is blatantly attracted to him and in 2005 she would just go with him but he has to ramp up the plowing like crazy to make it happen. She keeps trying to get him to just give her his number instead of coming with him and he just shakes his head no and keeps plowing toward the actual pull because he KNOWS if he just gets her number he’ll never see her again and he stresses “come NOW, you’ll never see me again, I have to leave now come with me, just tell your friends you’re going to the bathroom, come now, don’t stay here living your boring little life in this boring little bar, come with me, adventure, don’t worry about them they’ll be fine, they won’t even notice, come, now, or I have to leave, no you don’t need your jacket you can wear mine, come, now” etc etc like he artificially builds “dread game” in there with a fear of loss by refusing to give her his number and making it seem like it’s urgent that she has to come with him. And he’s not doing it in a pleading/convincing like “please come with me?” way, he’s doing it with commanding dominant tonality and occasionally pulling back into comfort etc then pushing forward again.

Here’s part of that set at 6:20 and he explains the concept in this video in general, but in PIMP he shows more of the clip and you can TELL she loves him, and it’s like 10 minutes of this to finally extract her:

We didn’t need this back in 2005, like nowhere NEAR this level. But in the girl’s mind, if she thinks “I can get his number and we can text and like totally hang out next week for sure” then she can say stupid stuff like “I have to stay with my friends” or “but it’s cold” or “but I’m tired” etc and THROW AWAY an adventure with a guy because she thinks that option will still be there in a week or two since she doesn’t realize her attraction is going to go down over time and other stuff will take over her attention and there’ll be newer shinier objects to focus on. In 2005, they wouldn’t throw away that adventure for such a silly reason, they’d throw it away for like REAL logistical issues or objections.

It’s like if you were a virgin who’s never been laid and some hot girl was like “climb this mountain and we can fuck” you’d climb that mountain with a smile on your face…but if you were living at the Playboy mansion banging multiple hot girls all day and night every day and one of them texted you “shower and get dressed and travel halfway across the city to come out for drinks with me and make conversation and be interesting bla bla” and as you’re about to respond to that 5 other girls in the mansion text you saying “hey can I come blow you?” “can I bring you a sandwich?” “can I come pick you up and take you somewhere?” etc you’d be like ehh and not think twice about blowing off that girl who wanted you to make an effort, for just a silly reason like “mehhh I’m too lazy today, mehh it’s kind of cold out…” And even if all those girls bringing you sandwiches and shit all have herpes, you don’t KNOW that at first glance (the equivalent of a guy who seems money in a Tinder profile but turns out to be a chode), so their validation counts as hot girl validation and they all SEEM like viable options that require zero effort.

So the optimal strategy now seems to be to focus more on expecting some resistance (just little silly excuses as she tries to convince you to just give her your number instead) and plowing through that to ideally not even HAVE to deal with numbers at ALL because they’ll often give that same sort of token resistance via text but it’s a lot harder to cut through that with just letters on a little screen VS a dominant tonality and laser eye-contact etc in person, and if you DO have to get a number get her to invest HARD for the number so that it’s not just a random number in her phone with all the other guys in it, it’s the number she had to almost BEG for and has more value and thus she’s more likely to make an effort to meet up (just like you would be more likely to wash the Ferrari you had to scrimp and save for years to earn the money to buy VS if you were just given one as a spoiled rich kid by your dad without personally investing to get it so you care less).

Again this is primarily for cold-approach pulling young chicks from nightclubs and shit. Daygame could be different, social circle game could be different etc. And there are probably other approaches that’ll work, like Tyler’s description of lowering her energy so that she’s in the same mood when you text her as when you got the number from her instead of getting the number while she’s in an amped up state that she won’t be in the next day when you text, etc.

But that’s kind of the point, social media has shaken things up so it’s time to experiment and adapt and optimize to figure out the most efficient strategy for the average guy learning game in 2015.

I don’t feel like the voice calling did enough because even if you run some hardcore plowing through any resistance, the second she hangs up that phone she’s back into validation-land and might end up flaking so I’m probably not even going to experiment with it much anymore (I don’t even LIKE talking on the phone lol)…I’m going to be focusing more on plowing for the Same Night Lay to avoid numbers entirely and if I have to get a number I’m going to focus more on making the girl invest. Here’s a Julien video on making them invest:

Voice calling might be great, try it out and see what you think, and maybe combining voice calling WITH the hardcore investment stuff could be a killer combo in 2015 since the investment makes your number in her phone stand out and the voice calling is just a cherry on top to fully separate you from the herd, so maybe I’ll experiment with it once I get the investment stuff down solid.

Really this is a big part of the fun of the game to me, and why I still enjoy it after years. I love the puzzle solving aspect.

“2. Re Paul Janka”

Jankas entire strategy he explains is based around giving her a “movie trailer” glimpse at him that leaves them curious enough to meet up to find out more. So like, he basically wants to flip as many switches as possible as fast as possible and then get the fuck out of there instead of staling things out. His mindset is “there’s nothing I’m going to do in 10 minutes to make the number more solid than in 1 minute, there’s no benefit to dragging it out and it takes away some of the intrigue/mystery”. So he’s basically trying to streamline flipping switches and DHV’ing as fast as possible, that’s why you’ll hear him drop that he’s a law student or looking for his buddy who’s a law student in his opener (instant high-value DHV and instant comfort, he “belongs” here on campus, he knows people here, he’ll be around in the future rather than a pump n dump since this is an area he spends time in, he’s “safe”), and he’ll close super indirect because as much as everyone loves that direct game and as awesome as that looks as infield footage a lot of the time those numbers flake if you don’t then ALSO spend a bunch of time building comfort and shit to balance out the “look I came over because I want to fuck you” feeling that can trigger ASD causing flaking. And since his goal is to get out of there ASAP if he was just running 1 minute direct game he’d end up with a shitload of flakes. Janka unashamedly goes for the pure numbers game, he’ll approach dozens of girls a day and run his shit and close and go from there so his whole strategy is efficiency.

Closing indirect is a lot less pressure/expectation off a 1 minute interaction so it’s likely to be a lower flake rate. Over the phone or through texting he can then DHV and build his value and everything, and even his Day2’s are often low pressure like he invites them out to something casual or invites her and her friends out with him and his friends and works from there.

And ya his looks don’t hurt, but I can show you a dozen guys in a bar on any fri/sat night that look like him and can’t get their dicks wet (even with iois being thrown at them) to save their lives because they don’t have game lol

I recommend his stuff not because it’s the optimal way to do it but because he has such unorthodox mindsets/strategies compared to what traditional PUA teaches or what traditional direct Krauser daygame teaches (go in direct then pull back and build rapport/comfort etc) so it’s good to take a look at it. Like he doesn’t even go to bars, he just walks around NYC collecting numbers with his quick style of game and then invites them out on a Friday so he’s on Day2s when the rest of us are heading to the bar to compete over pussy lol And he talks about how retarded dinner dates are, no girl wants to get naked for the first time in front of you when she has a giant steak dinner in her. Like he’s got interesting insights because he didn’t study traditional PUA.

Again, his way isn’t the best or anything, but there are aspects of it that are worth looking into and adapting into your game/mindsets or will get you thinking outside the box a bit. Ultimately the Krauser style pickup is probably more solid than the Janka style, but like, you don’t always have time to run a 20 minute set (a lot of Janka’s sets are on the subway because it’s NYC, where she can suddenly get off the train at any second…running Krauser style direct game in that situation is more likely to lead to a flake because all you’ve really had time to get across in 1 minute is that you think she’s hot and want to fuck her and she hasn’t really earned it for anything else lol)

Also I would imagine that in 2015 Janka’s stuff probably doesn’t work as well as it did in like 2005-2010 with all these new dynamics I’m talking about. Like I think he would have to adapt it a bit to make it viable in 2015.

@redlight
“how can your buddy, who could slay in 05 but not now, not take advantage of having you wing to get your feedback?”

Oh I’m helping him out. While he was in a relationship I was out there on the frontlines lol so I’m kind of helping him get back into it and updating him on what’s changed, but he has a lot of old/bad habits from his LTR and the older style of game he was running, and a LOT of pickup you have to experience first-hand a few times before your brain will finally adapt and accept it and start passing those obstacles. Like he needs to get a bunch of flakes before his brain will finally say “ok try this other approach out because this just isn’t working dammit”

That’s why guys who are like “oh I get iois from the girls in my office, so I should ditch my wife and I’ll just slay poon left and right”, it’s like man, iois are great but in 2015 they don’t automatically convert to lays.

@keyser Soze
“Hypergamy doesn’t care about your race/politics or your religion.”

lol this.


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“It’s really interesting seeing a bunch of those quick Janka videos one after the other (based on his clothes he seems to have done dozens in a single day)”

He literally describes how him and a buddy will just start at one end of NYC and spend the day strolling to the other end of it with protein bars for energy and just run their daygame on dozens of girls all day long and come out of it with a bunch of numbers, then hit them up to meet up for drinks etc. It’s a smart/efficient way to do it in a city like NYC where there’s ample daygame hotties and they’re all in a rush to go somewhere (thus his reliance on this fast method, note that most of the girls in his videos he has to stop because they’re on the move doing important NYC sex & the city shit, whereas in the Krauser vids the girls always seem to just literally be strolling around for no reason with no direction or destination in mind so they’re a lot more receptive to just standing there having a 20 minute interaction), and lots of short subway sets. It would be trickier to do that in a less hustle & bustle city.

The thing is most guys will just look at Janka and go “well he’s good looking and tall and in law school so there you go that’s why it works there’s no game” but like I say I can show you dudes who look like him or better who can’t get laid and he’s legit running proper game if you know what to look for. I had a Natural wing who had sick game but was also super good-looking and everyone just chalked it up to his looks but I rolled with him for a few years and he was running rock solid game hitting all the right notes which was what was REALLY happening, because he had equally good-looking buddies who were just dwarfed by him in terms of attention, like a group of girls would all be focused on him instead of his buddies because he was the one running proper game.

“and it’s interesting how after some Game experience, I can TELL which girls are more into him and which girls are less, even though the words exchanged are virtually the same. ”

You’ll spot that in your own sets infield too. Like I can usually tell if a girl is going to flake or not just based on the subcomms of our interaction and whether I hit the right switches and shit. The Simple Pickup guys admit that they don’t even bother texting half their numbers because they KNOW they’ll be flakes since they’re just going up and running flash game for their YouTube montages.

Keys to the VIP is a funny show because the goal is to get a phone number and you can tell most of the numbers will flake. And sometimes you see guys who could fuck a girl but the goal of the game is to get a number so they awkwardly get the number instead, throwing away that window of opportunity, and the girl is like wtf and will flake on them because they didn’t step up lol

“I actually just got Julien’s PIMP this week and also downloading right now a bunch of those FastSeduction archives you linked to because I want to expand my knowledge base more. ”

I hate telling anyone to buy any products, and fully support guys getting the information they need through any means necessary wink wink nudge nudge. From what I’ve seen Julien’s PIMP is basically the playbook for how to cold-approach hot girls in 2015’s social media validation culture (aka the tactical external stuff you do to girls), and Julien’s SHIFT covers everything about internal game and mindsets and shit (aka the more cerebral internal stuff you do to yourself).

Like, in terms of efficient learning, those are the two major ones I would have guys check out depending on where they’re at (personally I think the PIMP stuff is more important because it’s shit that no one else is teaching or explaining, whereas SHIFT is basically all the free internal game videos in compact form there’s nothing revolutionary in it it’s just nice and compact so it’s a lot of info in a short time investment)

So you made an excellent choice. There was actually stuff in PIMP that I didn’t even really agree with or thought was too over the top, till I ran into insane flake rates and realized that the reason he’s teaching shit no one else is is because he’s out there dealing with this shit first-hand while a lot of other guys are like, running daygame or used to go out but don’t much anymore or are refusing to acknowledge that they aren’t getting the results they want anymore etc.

For the archives I recommend Tyler’s the most, you can see what a fucking asshole he was when he first popped onto the scene but you can also see his robot brain and ridiculous cut-throat dedication and like no sympathy for whiners and shit, that shit is why he got so good. Most of the archives are a good read (that’s why they’re archived) but look specifically for A2daMIR and MrSex4uNYC, they’re two random names you’ll never have heard of but they had really solid shit. BradP is great too.

“but I can use my limited downtime to read up on stuff and watch videos and hopefully balance out theory and field experience”

Ya, just do what you can when you can. When I got into this I would work a 9-5 then either spend the evening reading field reports and pickup literature and shit (back then these archives were actually happening in realtime lol) till I fell asleep, or on sarging nights I’d nap for a couple hours then get ready to go out and sarge. But like I was always either consuming info or sarging when I was outside of my work obligations…because, well, it was helping me get pussy lol That was a fucking miracle to a guy who was a virgin at 23yo, how could I NOT obsess over that shit? lol

“I’m thinking about taking RSD’s Vegas Immersion Program..not so much for the theory stuff, more just for the wingmen and being able to go out 6 nights a week in Vegas for a month).”

Honestly have no idea about the immersion program. If it’s not a severe financial hit for you, I mean, I don’t see any reason NOT to give it a go…you’d get a ton of experience in a short time. But watch out for them maybe using your face in footage if you have career shit that would be affected by being associated with the group of misogynistic rapists that created the world-hated Julien Blanc lol And I would say if you did it also try to focus on skills that you can take back home with you after…like being introduced to a group of hot girls by an RSD coach is cool, but that’s not going to be what you return home to, you’re going to return home to having to open on your own or with a buddy…so like, don’t get caught up in just the crazy fun Vegas lifestyle if you do give it a go. I haven’t looked into it so I can’t recommend one way or the other but I mean, part of why I went out so much was to gather as much reference experience with as many girls as possible as fast as possible and if there’s one place you can do that even faster, it’s Vegas with a bunch of wingmen who study game lol I’m hoping to one day, when my finances are solid, be able to have a place (timeshare or some shit) in Vegas to spend parts of the year where I can just go game all day and night. You only live once and hot girls make me happy so hey why not throw that shit up on my imaginary vision board lol


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“It’s really interesting seeing a bunch of those quick Janka videos one after the other (based on his clothes he seems to have done dozens in a single day)”

He literally describes how him and a buddy will just start at one end of NYC and spend the day strolling to the other end of it with protein bars for energy and just run their daygame on dozens of girls all day long and come out of it with a bunch of numbers, then hit them up to meet up for drinks etc. It’s a smart/efficient way to do it in a city like NYC where there’s ample daygame hotties and they’re all in a rush to go somewhere (thus his reliance on this fast method, note that most of the girls in his videos he has to stop because they’re on the move doing important NYC sex & the city shit, whereas in the Krauser vids the girls always seem to just literally be strolling around for no reason with no direction or destination in mind so they’re a lot more receptive to just standing there having a 20 minute interaction), and lots of short subway sets. It would be trickier to do that in a less hustle & bustle city.

The thing is most guys will just look at Janka and go “well he’s good looking and tall and in law school so there you go that’s why it works there’s no game” but like I say I can show you dudes who look like him or better who can’t get laid and he’s legit running proper game if you know what to look for. I had a Natural wing who had sick game but was also super good-looking and everyone just chalked it up to his looks but I rolled with him for a few years and he was running rock solid game hitting all the right notes which was what was REALLY happening, because he had equally good-looking buddies who were just dwarfed by him in terms of attention, like a group of girls would all be focused on him instead of his buddies because he was the one running proper game.

“and it’s interesting how after some Game experience, I can TELL which girls are more into him and which girls are less, even though the words exchanged are virtually the same. ”

You’ll spot that in your own sets infield too. Like I can usually tell if a girl is going to flake or not just based on the subcomms of our interaction and whether I hit the right switches and shit. The Simple Pickup guys admit that they don’t even bother texting half their numbers because they KNOW they’ll be flakes since they’re just going up and running flash game for their YouTube montages.

Keys to the VIP is a funny show because the goal is to get a phone number and you can tell most of the numbers will flake. And sometimes you see guys who could fuck a girl but the goal of the game is to get a number so they awkwardly get the number instead, throwing away that window of opportunity, and the girl is like wtf and will flake on them because they didn’t step up lol

“I actually just got Julien’s PIMP this week and also downloading right now a bunch of those FastSeduction archives you linked to because I want to expand my knowledge base more. ”

I hate telling anyone to buy any products, and fully support guys getting the information they need through any means necessary wink wink nudge nudge. From what I’ve seen Julien’s PIMP is basically the playbook for how to cold-approach hot girls in 2015’s social media validation culture (aka the tactical external stuff you do to girls), and Julien’s SHIFT covers everything about internal game and mindsets and shit (aka the more cerebral internal stuff you do to yourself).

Like, in terms of efficient learning, those are the two major ones I would have guys check out depending on where they’re at (personally I think the PIMP stuff is more important because it’s shit that no one else is teaching or explaining, whereas SHIFT is basically all the free internal game videos in compact form there’s nothing revolutionary in it it’s just nice and compact so it’s a lot of info in a short time investment)

So you made an excellent choice. There was actually stuff in PIMP that I didn’t even really agree with or thought was too over the top, till I ran into insane flake rates and realized that the reason he’s teaching shit no one else is is because he’s out there dealing with this shit first-hand while a lot of other guys are like, running daygame or used to go out but don’t much anymore or are refusing to acknowledge that they aren’t getting the results they want anymore etc.

For the archives I recommend Tyler’s the most, you can see what a fucking asshole he was when he first popped onto the scene but you can also see his robot brain and ridiculous cut-throat dedication and like no sympathy for whiners and shit, that shit is why he got so good. Most of the archives are a good read (that’s why they’re archived) but look specifically for A2daMIR and MrSex4uNYC, they’re two random names you’ll never have heard of but they had really solid shit. BradP is great too.

“but I can use my limited downtime to read up on stuff and watch videos and hopefully balance out theory and field experience”

Ya, just do what you can when you can. When I got into this I would work a 9-5 then either spend the evening reading field reports and pickup literature and shit (back then these archives were actually happening in realtime lol) till I fell asleep, or on sarging nights I’d nap for a couple hours then get ready to go out and sarge. But like I was always either consuming info or sarging when I was outside of my work obligations…because, well, it was helping me get pussy lol That was a fucking miracle to a guy who was a virgin at 23yo, how could I NOT obsess over that shit? lol

“I’m thinking about taking RSD’s Vegas Immersion Program..not so much for the theory stuff, more just for the wingmen and being able to go out 6 nights a week in Vegas for a month).”

Honestly have no idea about the immersion program. If it’s not a severe financial hit for you, I mean, I don’t see any reason NOT to give it a go…you’d get a ton of experience in a short time. But watch out for them maybe using your face in footage if you have career shit that would be affected by being associated with the group of misogynistic rapists that created the world-hated Julien Blanc lol And I would say if you did it also try to focus on skills that you can take back home with you after…like being introduced to a group of hot girls by an RSD coach is cool, but that’s not going to be what you return home to, you’re going to return home to having to open on your own or with a buddy…so like, don’t get caught up in just the crazy fun Vegas lifestyle if you do give it a go. I haven’t looked into it so I can’t recommend one way or the other but I mean, part of why I went out so much was to gather as much reference experience with as many girls as possible as fast as possible and if there’s one place you can do that even faster, it’s Vegas with a bunch of wingmen who study game lol I’m hoping to one day, when my finances are solid, be able to have a place (timeshare or some shit) in Vegas to spend parts of the year where I can just go game all day and night. You only live once and hot girls make me happy so hey why not throw that shit up on my imaginary vision board lol


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on November 13th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
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“The idea of nations and boundaries makes sense, but I don’t see “race” as anything but an arbitrary division.”

In-field, with game, it basically is just arbitrary nonsense. It really doesn’t matter at all. I’ve gone to clubs where I’m the only white dude, I’ve taken minority buddies to clubs that they’re literally the only minority in there, etc etc and it all just comes down to social skills and game. Like ya there’s some racism here and there, but game and the social proof that game builds pretty much always wins over all that. I have minority buddies who get hot white chicks, I have buddies who stick to their own race, buddies who only go for a specific race, girls go home with guys they never expected to, and I have minority buddies who can’t pull to save their life…it all comes down to their game and otherwise doesn’t really matter infield which is why I don’t really think about it.

“I always keep a spare jacket in my truck that a broad can wear if there’s weather. Think I’ll put a hat in there, too.”

This is smart. Throw in some kind of comfy boots (you could always grab some gay furry chick boots and just say some girl left them in there) if you’re in an area with snow, mud, etc for the girls to switch from their heels to something more comfy and they’ll probably be grateful as fuck and easier to keep in a good state.

“How do you deal with girls leaving purses at the bar? Use the bathroom excuse to bring their purse along? Then you might have their coats to deal with. Do they text their friends telling their friends to take their coats?”

Usually it means dealing with the friends unfortunately lol I actually haven’t given it a lot of thought, the <25yo crowd tends not to have purses at the bar. I'd imagine that comes up more in the 30+yo crowd but that crowd is usually a lot more likely to just say "hey I'm going to get laid bye" and her friends are happy for her to run off with you because they're older and aren't ashamed they want to fuck.

"It seems simpler just to tell the friends that they want to go for a walk alone with you. Then you have an easy eject."

If it works, do it. There's a ton of vids on closing and extracting on YouTube. This is also why we push guys to go out infield, because this stuff isn't stuff you think about when you're just reading online, it's when shit's on with a girl and you go to pull her for real and she says "I need to get my purse!!" that you go "ah fuck how do I deal with this?!" when you lose her because getting her purse blew her state when her friends cockblocked lol

But like, be pro-active about it. Last night I told my buddy "ok we checked our jackets, but it's not too cold out…the coat check line is a huge state killer and gives the friends time to come find her and cockblock etc and since girls don't bring their jackets out because they're too cheap to pay coat check, if we have an on set let's just walk them out and leave our jackets, they just keep them back there overnight and we can call them and pick them up the next day no problem" Like we have actual plans for those scenarios lol It seems retardedly overthinking until you're standing in coat-check with a girl who's DTF and her friends come drag her away lol


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YaReally
on November 13th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
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@theasdgamer
“The idea of nations and boundaries makes sense, but I don’t see “race” as anything but an arbitrary division.”

In-field, with game, it basically is just arbitrary nonsense. It really doesn’t matter at all. I’ve gone to clubs where I’m the only white dude, I’ve taken minority buddies to clubs that they’re literally the only minority in there, etc etc and it all just comes down to social skills and game. Like ya there’s some racism here and there, but game and the social proof that game builds pretty much always wins over all that. I have minority buddies who get hot white chicks, I have buddies who stick to their own race, buddies who only go for a specific race, girls go home with guys they never expected to, and I have minority buddies who can’t pull to save their life…it all comes down to their game and otherwise doesn’t really matter infield which is why I don’t really think about it.

“I always keep a spare jacket in my truck that a broad can wear if there’s weather. Think I’ll put a hat in there, too.”

This is smart. Throw in some kind of comfy boots (you could always grab some gay furry chick boots and just say some girl left them in there) if you’re in an area with snow, mud, etc for the girls to switch from their heels to something more comfy and they’ll probably be grateful as fuck and easier to keep in a good state.

“How do you deal with girls leaving purses at the bar? Use the bathroom excuse to bring their purse along? Then you might have their coats to deal with. Do they text their friends telling their friends to take their coats?”

Usually it means dealing with the friends unfortunately lol I actually haven’t given it a lot of thought, the <25yo crowd tends not to have purses at the bar. I'd imagine that comes up more in the 30+yo crowd but that crowd is usually a lot more likely to just say "hey I'm going to get laid bye" and her friends are happy for her to run off with you because they're older and aren't ashamed they want to fuck.

"It seems simpler just to tell the friends that they want to go for a walk alone with you. Then you have an easy eject."

If it works, do it. There's a ton of vids on closing and extracting on YouTube. This is also why we push guys to go out infield, because this stuff isn't stuff you think about when you're just reading online, it's when shit's on with a girl and you go to pull her for real and she says "I need to get my purse!!" that you go "ah fuck how do I deal with this?!" when you lose her because getting her purse blew her state when her friends cockblocked lol

But like, be pro-active about it. Last night I told my buddy "ok we checked our jackets, but it's not too cold out…the coat check line is a huge state killer and gives the friends time to come find her and cockblock etc and since girls don't bring their jackets out because they're too cheap to pay coat check, if we have an on set let's just walk them out and leave our jackets, they just keep them back there overnight and we can call them and pick them up the next day no problem" Like we have actual plans for those scenarios lol It seems retardedly overthinking until you're standing in coat-check with a girl who's DTF and her friends come drag her away lol


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YaReally
on November 14th, 2015 at 11:46 am
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@Rugby’s PDF
For what it’s worth, the authors of that PDF are highly respected in the PUA community aka they know their shit. Everyone should read that PDF, I’m pretty sure I read it back in the day but I’m grabbing it to re-read when I’m on the crapper now just to refresh.

Joseph Went South (one of the authors, been in the community since 2003) wrote this about the book elsewhere:

“We wanted PFP to appeal to a broad audience; not because we gave two flying shits about being politically correct, but because we were hoping to provide a valuable resource for as many men as we could. With hundreds of men being anally raped in our “family” courts every day, and millions of men stuck with porn almost every night of their lives, I believe that men need to hear from older guys who have seen it all and done it all.”

This is the oldschool PUA community mindset and it’s why I’m here and write the million pages I write and it’s why I roll my eyes at the “PUAs are just scammers trying to milk naive guys into spending millions on expensive bootcamps they’re evil manipulators wahhhh!!” shit I see when people in other areas of the Manosphere, TRP, MGTOW etc talk about PUA. Ya there are scammers out there, but the original community started up as just a mass effort to help as many men see the Matrix as possible to help them.

“Had some fun hooking up with some serious hotties, but it messed up my sense of boundaries with my steady and my self-respect”

Ya, I stress this a lot in my writing about pLTRs and oLTRs…you have to have VERY hard boundaries and the girls have to know and be able to trust that. This is why most men fuck those arrangements up, because they let themselves and their emotions bend those boundaries and create a bunch of grey areas and fuck everything up. Like the Joker says “nobody panics when things go according to plan, even if that plan is horrifying”.

But most guys will fuck it up their first time, or even first few times, because we tend to need to learn this shit first-hand. So Andy is not just dealing with a tough situation (going from monoLTR to pLTR) but ALSO dealing with the pitfalls of doing this for the first time. That’s why I say like, it’s not going to be some effortless thing lol there’s a MASSIVELY high % chance it’s going to end bad, so read as much as you can before you attempt it and be prepared for the worst possible fallout situations and weigh whether it’s worth the risk (at the same time spending the next 30+ years in an unhappy situation is tough too, that’s why I can’t say which path you should take, I have no idea what I would do in that situation, that’s why I avoid it and try to help other men learn to avoid it lol get all that fucking around stuff out of your system in your 20s and 30s and THEN settle if you want to settle, no need for a mid-life crisis when you’ve lived a life of adventure already).

@Roused
“Little victories and patience….”

Enjoy the process. At the end of the day game involves going out and talking to hot girls and having fun. :)


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YaReally
on November 14th, 2015 at 11:46 am
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@Rugby’s PDF
For what it’s worth, the authors of that PDF are highly respected in the PUA community aka they know their shit. Everyone should read that PDF, I’m pretty sure I read it back in the day but I’m grabbing it to re-read when I’m on the crapper now just to refresh.

Joseph Went South (one of the authors, been in the community since 2003) wrote this about the book elsewhere:

“We wanted PFP to appeal to a broad audience; not because we gave two flying shits about being politically correct, but because we were hoping to provide a valuable resource for as many men as we could. With hundreds of men being anally raped in our “family” courts every day, and millions of men stuck with porn almost every night of their lives, I believe that men need to hear from older guys who have seen it all and done it all.”

This is the oldschool PUA community mindset and it’s why I’m here and write the million pages I write and it’s why I roll my eyes at the “PUAs are just scammers trying to milk naive guys into spending millions on expensive bootcamps they’re evil manipulators wahhhh!!” shit I see when people in other areas of the Manosphere, TRP, MGTOW etc talk about PUA. Ya there are scammers out there, but the original community started up as just a mass effort to help as many men see the Matrix as possible to help them.

“Had some fun hooking up with some serious hotties, but it messed up my sense of boundaries with my steady and my self-respect”

Ya, I stress this a lot in my writing about pLTRs and oLTRs…you have to have VERY hard boundaries and the girls have to know and be able to trust that. This is why most men fuck those arrangements up, because they let themselves and their emotions bend those boundaries and create a bunch of grey areas and fuck everything up. Like the Joker says “nobody panics when things go according to plan, even if that plan is horrifying”.

But most guys will fuck it up their first time, or even first few times, because we tend to need to learn this shit first-hand. So Andy is not just dealing with a tough situation (going from monoLTR to pLTR) but ALSO dealing with the pitfalls of doing this for the first time. That’s why I say like, it’s not going to be some effortless thing lol there’s a MASSIVELY high % chance it’s going to end bad, so read as much as you can before you attempt it and be prepared for the worst possible fallout situations and weigh whether it’s worth the risk (at the same time spending the next 30+ years in an unhappy situation is tough too, that’s why I can’t say which path you should take, I have no idea what I would do in that situation, that’s why I avoid it and try to help other men learn to avoid it lol get all that fucking around stuff out of your system in your 20s and 30s and THEN settle if you want to settle, no need for a mid-life crisis when you’ve lived a life of adventure already).

@Roused
“Little victories and patience….”

Enjoy the process. At the end of the day game involves going out and talking to hot girls and having fun. 🙂


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on November 8th, 2015 at 10:48 am
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“I said (from the quote) gaming EVERYONE (not some people, but a lifestyle of gaming absolutely everyone you are not intimate with) sounds lonely.”

That’s because you view “game” as something you do TO people (value-taking, win/lose or lose/lose), instead of something you do WITH people (value-giving, win/win).

A lot of people who achieve success achieve success in areas that other people told them were important to achieve success in, instead of areas they actually personally value to their core so the success feels empty. An example of this would be someone who doesn’t really care about being a doctor working hard to ace med school and become one. Or the guy who just wants a girlfriend learning game and being a player when really he’d be a lot happier just settling with one girl.

Or they achieve success in areas that other people told them would help them achieve success in the areas that were important to them, but it turns out success in one area doesn’t necessarily translate to success in other areas so all his effort in achieving that primary goal feels empty because it didn’t actually help him achieve his secondary goal. Or in game terms a guy who works hard at obtaining money, looks and suits, and then finds out it still doesn’t get him laid by the girls he wants, so those things he worked hard for feel empty. (this is what I try to help guys avoid when I talk about looks, a lot of those rich kids you see in high-end clubs all fucked up on coke and other drugs and calling hookers (expensive and hot ones, but still hookers they have to pay) for sex at 2am are doing those things because their success in other areas feels empty since it didn’t accomplish the other success they thought it would and they’re frustrated because by society’s value system and what everyone has told them their whole life they have all the tools to get those girls but are still fucking up so logically either they must be complete pieces of shit to still fail with all those advantages (and who could they complain to about their dissatisfaction? No one wants to hear a rich good-looking guy’s girl problems in a society that assumes he must have the perfect life and be getting laid like a rockstar) which is usually what leads to the cocaine and hookers and boozing and overspending and stuff (trying to escape from or compensate for that weird guilty/failure frustration feeling), or they assume everyone else must be too retarded to appreciate their value (Elliot Rogers)).

Or they achieve success that they believed would feel more rewarding than it actually does, simply because they had an unrealistic expectation of what the reality of achieving that success was (whether it’s from their own hyping it up or society’s conditioning), so they achieve that success and it feels empty because it ended up not being that big a deal. This is extra-depressing for the people who have a hole they’re trying to fill WITH that success, like the guy who thinks if he can just get a girlfriend he’ll be happy/complete. Fight Club promotes messages like “never be complete, never be perfect” because it’s trying to get guys to focus on the journey rather than the ending. If life were legitimately perfect to you and nothing ever went wrong, it would end up being so boring that that perfection would feel empty too. We don’t pay a movie theater to show us a movie where nothing bad happens and everyone just succeeds and is happy for 90 minutes. It’s hard to appreciate success when you don’t risk failure, and it’s hard to appreciate rewards when you didn’t risk anything to gain them.

Which brings us to people who achieve success by passively having it handed to them. The kid born into a rich family, the person who wins the lottery, someone genetically blessed with good looks, etc A lot of these people feel empty despite the success because they don’t feel they earned it. They can feel like frauds for even having it. I find women are more comfortable accepting free handouts than men are and my guess is that it’s because they’re more naturally inclined to hamster rationalize that they somehow deserve the free handout so it’s “earned” enough in their mind.

And finally (there’s others I’m sure but I’m hungry for breakfast) there’s the people who achieve success but compare their success to other people’s success and feel empty because sure they’re successful compared to some people, but compared to their neighbor or friend or someone on TV etc they aren’t as successful so they can never be happy with what they have even if it’s more than most people will ever have.

Oh and in Scott Adams&r