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@TuffLuv
“I know exactly what I’m talking about. Go read the script.. A BD practitioner simply steps in and tells her how right she is when she bitches about her man.. that she shouldn’t sell herself short, that he doesn’t deserve her, etc.. Total.. white knight.. pussy pandering.. bullshit. It might just be the easiest PUA method of all, because it requires almost no skill.”

Making complete bullshit up works a lot better when you aren’t on the Internet where some asshole like me can link the Boyfriend Destroyer stuff and intelligent men who have critical thinking skills can read it for themselves and see that you have no idea what Boyfriend Destroyers are or how they’re executed…in fact you’ve literally described the exact 180 opposite of what they are:

http://bristollair.com/?s=boyfriend+destroyer

Fucking mental masturbation.

@looks and shit
This is why I tell guys to go out, it’s not just to get your own experiences it’s to observe shit like this:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/10/26/one-of-the-most-powerful-female-attraction-triggers/#comment-722538

“Anyway, the highlight of the evening was watching *an actual homeless guy* open and engage a smoking blonde HB8 on the street. Like talk about Game being the most important thing..and looks not mattering. One thing to hear YaReally talk about it and another to see and hear it for yourself (not that I doubted YaReally but seeing it on such an extreme level really reinforces it). ”

“If the *homeless dude* can use Mystery Method on girls, then anyone can do it. No excuses. It really was something, watching it and listening to them talk.”

This is why I say you can see in pretty much ANY nightclub/bar anywhere in the world a bunch of good-looking dudes going home solo, it’s just THERE for anyone to see by going out. And you can watch these guys fail with girls by befriending them and throwing girls at them and seeing it for yourself. All the evidence is out there infield but most guys won’t go out or go out in very specific/limited circumstances where they’ll never be exposed to this shit themselves.

@everyone else
It’s Halloween weekend. There is NO better weekend of the year to be out, solo or with a group. No one cares about age since everyone is in masks and shit anyway, no one is thinking about that shit this weekend. Every girl in a costume has a BUILT IN opener, just say you like her costume and go into your normal game. Or make up a situational opener based on her costume (there’ll be dozens of superhero girls out, roleplay stopping criminals together, make handcuff innuendo with sexy cops, make spongebath innuendo with sexy nurses, it should be effortless to get into sets this weekend). You can open entire groups with like “man those costumes are awesome” and just be IN a set, easily.

And all these chicks are looking to get fucked. The ones who don’t want to get fucked are at gay houseparties with their boyfriends in matching couples costumes the guy wishes he wasn’t wearing. The ones at the bar are out to get fucked for a Same Night Lay while they’re roleplaying being someone that isn’t their normal “I would never have an ONS” self. Wearing the costumes removes their accountability and turns the night into Vegas. Don’t bother with numbers they’ll probably flake, just escalate and try to pull.

You don’t even have to wear a costume. It’s technically peacocking to NOT be dressed up when everyone else is, it gives girls an easy way to shit-test open you with “Where’s your costume??” or after you open them they’ll always say “How come you aren’t dressed up??” and you just fuck with them (“What? I AM dressed up, can’t you tell who I’m supposed to be? Guess what my costume is”). No one cares if you’re dressed up, Halloween is about girls getting to embrace their feminine sexuality and go act like sluts for a weekend before they go back to their normal boring lives…it’s COOL if you have a costume and a fun party vibe and everything, but you don’t need it at all. I’ve even said “No I’m too old to dress up (“how old are you??” and then I go into my age routine stuff), I’m just here to be creepy and stare at girls dressed in slutty–what’s your costume supposed to be? I can’t even tell lol wtf is this??”

Pretty much every bar in your city will have something going on tonight and tomorrow night (and there may be a Halloween industry night on Sunday or Monday at whatever venue has industry night in your city), lots of pub crawls and shit too so people will probably start up early, especially on Saturday (we used to go on crawls that started at like 3pm).

Hit up the young people venues esp nightclubs if they’re available, skip the old people places, old chicks hate life and hate their sagging wrinkling bodies (some of them rightly so) and hate young girls who love dressing in nothing and having fun, so on Halloween old chicks are usually downers who don’t dress up and just hate on the young hot girls calling them sluts and shit even though they did the exact same thing back when they were young enough that people WANTED to see them in a slutty devil costume.

Get out there and practice your sexual escalation/verbals. Halloween is prime time for that shit lol If you’re single and not fully satisfied with the sex life you have and are staying in tonight/tomorrow, like, wtf are you doing?? lol


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on October 30th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
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@TuffLuv
“I know exactly what I’m talking about. Go read the script.. A BD practitioner simply steps in and tells her how right she is when she bitches about her man.. that she shouldn’t sell herself short, that he doesn’t deserve her, etc.. Total.. white knight.. pussy pandering.. bullshit. It might just be the easiest PUA method of all, because it requires almost no skill.”

Making complete bullshit up works a lot better when you aren’t on the Internet where some asshole like me can link the Boyfriend Destroyer stuff and intelligent men who have critical thinking skills can read it for themselves and see that you have no idea what Boyfriend Destroyers are or how they’re executed…in fact you’ve literally described the exact 180 opposite of what they are:

http://bristollair.com/?s=boyfriend+destroyer

Fucking mental masturbation.

@looks and shit
This is why I tell guys to go out, it’s not just to get your own experiences it’s to observe shit like this:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/10/26/one-of-the-most-powerful-female-attraction-triggers/#comment-722538

“Anyway, the highlight of the evening was watching *an actual homeless guy* open and engage a smoking blonde HB8 on the street. Like talk about Game being the most important thing..and looks not mattering. One thing to hear YaReally talk about it and another to see and hear it for yourself (not that I doubted YaReally but seeing it on such an extreme level really reinforces it). ”

“If the *homeless dude* can use Mystery Method on girls, then anyone can do it. No excuses. It really was something, watching it and listening to them talk.”

This is why I say you can see in pretty much ANY nightclub/bar anywhere in the world a bunch of good-looking dudes going home solo, it’s just THERE for anyone to see by going out. And you can watch these guys fail with girls by befriending them and throwing girls at them and seeing it for yourself. All the evidence is out there infield but most guys won’t go out or go out in very specific/limited circumstances where they’ll never be exposed to this shit themselves.

@everyone else
It’s Halloween weekend. There is NO better weekend of the year to be out, solo or with a group. No one cares about age since everyone is in masks and shit anyway, no one is thinking about that shit this weekend. Every girl in a costume has a BUILT IN opener, just say you like her costume and go into your normal game. Or make up a situational opener based on her costume (there’ll be dozens of superhero girls out, roleplay stopping criminals together, make handcuff innuendo with sexy cops, make spongebath innuendo with sexy nurses, it should be effortless to get into sets this weekend). You can open entire groups with like “man those costumes are awesome” and just be IN a set, easily.

And all these chicks are looking to get fucked. The ones who don’t want to get fucked are at gay houseparties with their boyfriends in matching couples costumes the guy wishes he wasn’t wearing. The ones at the bar are out to get fucked for a Same Night Lay while they’re roleplaying being someone that isn’t their normal “I would never have an ONS” self. Wearing the costumes removes their accountability and turns the night into Vegas. Don’t bother with numbers they’ll probably flake, just escalate and try to pull.

You don’t even have to wear a costume. It’s technically peacocking to NOT be dressed up when everyone else is, it gives girls an easy way to shit-test open you with “Where’s your costume??” or after you open them they’ll always say “How come you aren’t dressed up??” and you just fuck with them (“What? I AM dressed up, can’t you tell who I’m supposed to be? Guess what my costume is”). No one cares if you’re dressed up, Halloween is about girls getting to embrace their feminine sexuality and go act like sluts for a weekend before they go back to their normal boring lives…it’s COOL if you have a costume and a fun party vibe and everything, but you don’t need it at all. I’ve even said “No I’m too old to dress up (“how old are you??” and then I go into my age routine stuff), I’m just here to be creepy and stare at girls dressed in slutty–what’s your costume supposed to be? I can’t even tell lol wtf is this??”

Pretty much every bar in your city will have something going on tonight and tomorrow night (and there may be a Halloween industry night on Sunday or Monday at whatever venue has industry night in your city), lots of pub crawls and shit too so people will probably start up early, especially on Saturday (we used to go on crawls that started at like 3pm).

Hit up the young people venues esp nightclubs if they’re available, skip the old people places, old chicks hate life and hate their sagging wrinkling bodies (some of them rightly so) and hate young girls who love dressing in nothing and having fun, so on Halloween old chicks are usually downers who don’t dress up and just hate on the young hot girls calling them sluts and shit even though they did the exact same thing back when they were young enough that people WANTED to see them in a slutty devil costume.

Get out there and practice your sexual escalation/verbals. Halloween is prime time for that shit lol If you’re single and not fully satisfied with the sex life you have and are staying in tonight/tomorrow, like, wtf are you doing?? lol


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on October 30th, 2015 at 4:20 pm
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Also type “rsd shift” on YouTube and skip the first few vids that are just hyping the product up and watch the rest of the playlist, especially any titles that stand out to you as sticking points you have. Shift is absolute gold, covers literally everything there is to cover about inner game. And Julien’s Pimp is everything you need to know about outer game *IN OUR CURRENT INFINITE-VALIDATION 2015 ERA WHERE GIRLS PHONES ARE LITERALLY SHOWERING THEM IN FREE ATTENTION 24/7 THAT MAKES THEM FLAKE WHEN IN 2005 THEY WOULD BE CHASING YOUR DICK BEGGING FOR AN LTR* lol (and ideally you add Pimp on top of understanding Mystery Method because MM covers more overall social interactions especially for older men). Add laser eye-contact in there and this is literally all the pickup stuff you ever need to consume.

(you can view everything in Shift and Pimp in Julien’s free videos on his YouTube channels where he was talking about all these concepts as he was figuring out how to explain them and experimenting, but the actual Shift and Pimp products are basically the super-condensed version of a few years worth of videos…I wouldn’t pay for either product (or any product really) because the prices are retarded, but like, you can shave off hours and hours of watching those free speeches they put up by just finding these two products that are the concise cream of the crop of game concepts for modern gaming in 2015 as far as I’m concerned, especially gaming the <25yo hottie crowd…I can pretty much guarantee the guys who complain about how they have to play up the Provider angle or how looks matter or how girls won't get with older guys etc aren't doing ANY of this shit out there and their pickups don't look anything like what Julien's explaining for how to game in 2015 lol)


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on October 30th, 2015 at 4:20 pm
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Also type “rsd shift” on YouTube and skip the first few vids that are just hyping the product up and watch the rest of the playlist, especially any titles that stand out to you as sticking points you have. Shift is absolute gold, covers literally everything there is to cover about inner game. And Julien’s Pimp is everything you need to know about outer game *IN OUR CURRENT INFINITE-VALIDATION 2015 ERA WHERE GIRLS PHONES ARE LITERALLY SHOWERING THEM IN FREE ATTENTION 24/7 THAT MAKES THEM FLAKE WHEN IN 2005 THEY WOULD BE CHASING YOUR DICK BEGGING FOR AN LTR* lol (and ideally you add Pimp on top of understanding Mystery Method because MM covers more overall social interactions especially for older men). Add laser eye-contact in there and this is literally all the pickup stuff you ever need to consume.

(you can view everything in Shift and Pimp in Julien’s free videos on his YouTube channels where he was talking about all these concepts as he was figuring out how to explain them and experimenting, but the actual Shift and Pimp products are basically the super-condensed version of a few years worth of videos…I wouldn’t pay for either product (or any product really) because the prices are retarded, but like, you can shave off hours and hours of watching those free speeches they put up by just finding these two products that are the concise cream of the crop of game concepts for modern gaming in 2015 as far as I’m concerned, especially gaming the <25yo hottie crowd…I can pretty much guarantee the guys who complain about how they have to play up the Provider angle or how looks matter or how girls won't get with older guys etc aren't doing ANY of this shit out there and their pickups don't look anything like what Julien's explaining for how to game in 2015 lol)


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on October 30th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
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Fuck, I ALWAYS hit the page break lol I gotta start looking at the post count before I write shit. Jump back a page for some YaReally ranting.


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Fuck, I ALWAYS hit the page break lol I gotta start looking at the post count before I write shit. Jump back a page for some YaReally ranting.


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on October 30th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
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@Sun Wukong
“Note to self: YaReally really digs Halloween.”

What wouldn’t I dig about it? All of North America becomes a party at the Playboy Mansion for a few nights. I recognize opportunity when I see it lol

Any guy frustrated by the lack of selection of women around him should be the first guy hitting this site:

https://www.eventbrite.com/d/tx–dallas/halloween/?view=list

And checking out travel logistics and photo galleries (is the crowd young college chicks?) for the clubs listed for tonight and tomorrow night (and sign up on the guest list to save yourself cover/lineup before X time (usually 11pm but each site will say)). The clubs with prizes for best costume will usually bring the most girls. It might be a drive, but if you’re not doing anything else tonight or tomorrow night and you aren’t happy with the girls you’re boning or not boning, then get crackin ’cause these places will be full of hot young chicks that want to fuck tonight and tomorrow night.

You can gain months worth of references experience in a couple nights during Halloween, instead of scowering shithole dive bars to sift through the scraps of old bitter women lol

Or don’t, it’s your dick not mine…mine will be out there dick-smacking scantily-clad hotties tonight lol Running solo tonight too…already terrified, so naturally it’s going to be awesome. ;)


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on October 30th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
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@Sun Wukong
“Note to self: YaReally really digs Halloween.”

What wouldn’t I dig about it? All of North America becomes a party at the Playboy Mansion for a few nights. I recognize opportunity when I see it lol

Any guy frustrated by the lack of selection of women around him should be the first guy hitting this site:

https://www.eventbrite.com/d/tx–dallas/halloween/?view=list

And checking out travel logistics and photo galleries (is the crowd young college chicks?) for the clubs listed for tonight and tomorrow night (and sign up on the guest list to save yourself cover/lineup before X time (usually 11pm but each site will say)). The clubs with prizes for best costume will usually bring the most girls. It might be a drive, but if you’re not doing anything else tonight or tomorrow night and you aren’t happy with the girls you’re boning or not boning, then get crackin ’cause these places will be full of hot young chicks that want to fuck tonight and tomorrow night.

You can gain months worth of references experience in a couple nights during Halloween, instead of scowering shithole dive bars to sift through the scraps of old bitter women lol

Or don’t, it’s your dick not mine…mine will be out there dick-smacking scantily-clad hotties tonight lol Running solo tonight too…already terrified, so naturally it’s going to be awesome.πŸ˜‰


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on October 30th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
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@MikePhil
“I’m thinking it’s a screening process. If a woman can convince you to take the bait and chop your own balls off to qualify to her, then you do the work of disqualifying yourself instead of her. She saves her valuable time and energy, the lesser men are clearly identified and thus ignored, leaving the valuable top Alpha in plain sight and in fair game.”

This.

It’s why they get a spike of attraction when you pass shit-tests, you’re showing that you’re an alpha. That’s why girls who have “huge bitch-shields” often turn into purring kittens when you learn how to pass those shit-tests. They’re just there to weed out the guys who would be a waste of her time because every guy who talks to her is trying to fuck her. If they can get those guys to feel too scared/ashamed to even approach or TRY in the first place, even better…their subconscious knows the alphas will bend/break the rules and those will be the guys actually worth their time.

That’s why they hate pickup, because we’re teaching guys who were SUPPOSED to fall for all those traps, how to not just avoid them but how to turn them around on the girl to build MORE attraction, and they hate the idea of millions of betas out there not easily identifiable the same way a guy might worry that in LA he’ll have no idea what weird features his kids will be born with because every chick has a plastic surgeon on speed dial lol


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on October 30th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
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@MikePhil
“I’m thinking it’s a screening process. If a woman can convince you to take the bait and chop your own balls off to qualify to her, then you do the work of disqualifying yourself instead of her. She saves her valuable time and energy, the lesser men are clearly identified and thus ignored, leaving the valuable top Alpha in plain sight and in fair game.”

This.

It’s why they get a spike of attraction when you pass shit-tests, you’re showing that you’re an alpha. That’s why girls who have “huge bitch-shields” often turn into purring kittens when you learn how to pass those shit-tests. They’re just there to weed out the guys who would be a waste of her time because every guy who talks to her is trying to fuck her. If they can get those guys to feel too scared/ashamed to even approach or TRY in the first place, even better…their subconscious knows the alphas will bend/break the rules and those will be the guys actually worth their time.

That’s why they hate pickup, because we’re teaching guys who were SUPPOSED to fall for all those traps, how to not just avoid them but how to turn them around on the girl to build MORE attraction, and they hate the idea of millions of betas out there not easily identifiable the same way a guy might worry that in LA he’ll have no idea what weird features his kids will be born with because every chick has a plastic surgeon on speed dial lol


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on October 30th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
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@Sun Wukong
“Debating if I should just hit the clubs over dressed in a suit. When asked what I’ve come as: “The sexiest motherfucker in here. Duh.””

Do it.

I like to make them guess because it builds more rapport, they can guess and I can tease them about their guess or keep it mysterious or THEN say “the sexiest motherfucker in here”. No reason to throw away a chance to spike some emotions with an instant answer that ends that part of the interaction. Milk every segment of the interaction for as much emotional impact as you can.

I’m out in a t-shirt as always btw lol I just ask them what they think I am and then say “no, I’m not dressed up but now I’m going to tell everyone I’m (what she said) thanks” and turn the convo onto her and her costume and then give her shit for making me feel self conscious for not being in a costume, tell her I hate her etc etc standard shit. They’d probably say you look like James Bond in a suit. Sometimes I’ll just say a random thing like “I’m the midget from Game of Thrones.” “No you’re not!! You’re in a suit!!” “I didn’t say it was a GOOD costume. What’s your costume supposed to be? I haven’t gotten a good look at it I keep getting stuck staring at your tits.”

I’ll use self-depreciating stuff too like “I’m dressed as a guy who’s young enough to actually be in here, what are you 15? Did you sneak in with your sister’s fake ID?” and tease them and then go into age routine stuff disqualifying her as being a ditzy drunk 15 year old etc then qualifying her as “actually it’s weird, you seem more mature than I was expecting.” bla bla bla

Half the dudes in the bar cockblock themselves FOR you on Halloween by wearing costumes that cover their face or are too hard to get close to girls or escalate in or are just in uncomfortable costumes in general lol


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@Sun Wukong
“Debating if I should just hit the clubs over dressed in a suit. When asked what I’ve come as: “The sexiest motherfucker in here. Duh.””

Do it.

I like to make them guess because it builds more rapport, they can guess and I can tease them about their guess or keep it mysterious or THEN say “the sexiest motherfucker in here”. No reason to throw away a chance to spike some emotions with an instant answer that ends that part of the interaction. Milk every segment of the interaction for as much emotional impact as you can.

I’m out in a t-shirt as always btw lol I just ask them what they think I am and then say “no, I’m not dressed up but now I’m going to tell everyone I’m (what she said) thanks” and turn the convo onto her and her costume and then give her shit for making me feel self conscious for not being in a costume, tell her I hate her etc etc standard shit. They’d probably say you look like James Bond in a suit. Sometimes I’ll just say a random thing like “I’m the midget from Game of Thrones.” “No you’re not!! You’re in a suit!!” “I didn’t say it was a GOOD costume. What’s your costume supposed to be? I haven’t gotten a good look at it I keep getting stuck staring at your tits.”

I’ll use self-depreciating stuff too like “I’m dressed as a guy who’s young enough to actually be in here, what are you 15? Did you sneak in with your sister’s fake ID?” and tease them and then go into age routine stuff disqualifying her as being a ditzy drunk 15 year old etc then qualifying her as “actually it’s weird, you seem more mature than I was expecting.” bla bla bla

Half the dudes in the bar cockblock themselves FOR you on Halloween by wearing costumes that cover their face or are too hard to get close to girls or escalate in or are just in uncomfortable costumes in general lol


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on October 30th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
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@Rollo
Yup. Two more things to add:

1) Don’t be intimidated by the “woo guys” with costumes who seem like the life of the party and the guys dressed as 300 Gladiators etc. A lot of those guys are just in party mode and will end up going home alone or with an aggressive 6/10. Cheers those guys and tell them “holy shit, how am I supposed to get any girls with you guys here, I gotta do some more situps or something” and usually they’re nice dudes who want everyone around them to have fun and you can ride some of their positive energy.

2) if you have an ugly-ass face, Halloween is perfect lol girls will give you a chance to express your personality and hook them before they realize you’re not wearing a mask lol

3) all these chicks have been starving themselves all day so they aren’t walking around bloated in their skimpy outfits. A lot of pub crawls start up mid-day or EARLY tonight (like 7pm) and those girls probably haven’t had food since at least 3pm maybe even noon. So guess what an easy way to pull is? “I’m fucking starving, there’s this food place (ideally an instant food place without much seating so you can say “let’s just eat this at my place it’s too messy to carry”) just across the street (doesn’t matter if it’s a couple blocks away lol just get her outside with you), let’s get some food.”

Because you’ve, of course, mapped out a 24hr or late-night food vendor near the venue ahead of time for extracting to, because you’re not some fuckin amateur just winging it out there, right? ;)


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@Rollo
Yup. Two more things to add:

1) Don’t be intimidated by the “woo guys” with costumes who seem like the life of the party and the guys dressed as 300 Gladiators etc. A lot of those guys are just in party mode and will end up going home alone or with an aggressive 6/10. Cheers those guys and tell them “holy shit, how am I supposed to get any girls with you guys here, I gotta do some more situps or something” and usually they’re nice dudes who want everyone around them to have fun and you can ride some of their positive energy.

2) if you have an ugly-ass face, Halloween is perfect lol girls will give you a chance to express your personality and hook them before they realize you’re not wearing a mask lol

3) all these chicks have been starving themselves all day so they aren’t walking around bloated in their skimpy outfits. A lot of pub crawls start up mid-day or EARLY tonight (like 7pm) and those girls probably haven’t had food since at least 3pm maybe even noon. So guess what an easy way to pull is? “I’m fucking starving, there’s this food place (ideally an instant food place without much seating so you can say “let’s just eat this at my place it’s too messy to carry”) just across the street (doesn’t matter if it’s a couple blocks away lol just get her outside with you), let’s get some food.”

Because you’ve, of course, mapped out a 24hr or late-night food vendor near the venue ahead of time for extracting to, because you’re not some fuckin amateur just winging it out there, right? πŸ˜‰


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on October 30th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
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@Jeremy
“Where the Sheriff in this case plays the part of the hot girl at a club. She’s basically just chumming the waters with her appearance/skin/etc., watching smaller fish gobble it up. She’s basically paying zero real attention, not sure if she’ll ever see anything that impressed her… Then all of the sudden she needs a bigger boat.”

Very apt. I’ll probably steal this metaphor for my pep talks with my buddies lol


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@Jeremy
“Where the Sheriff in this case plays the part of the hot girl at a club. She’s basically just chumming the waters with her appearance/skin/etc., watching smaller fish gobble it up. She’s basically paying zero real attention, not sure if she’ll ever see anything that impressed her… Then all of the sudden she needs a bigger boat.”

Very apt. I’ll probably steal this metaphor for my pep talks with my buddies lol


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on October 30th, 2015 at 7:14 pm
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@Rollo
“Verbatim what I tell my ‘pour’ staff. Beware of girls getting too liquored up. Once they pass the point it becomes burden, not a benefit and all the Game you applied for 2 hours only locks you into a sloppy drunk you have to drive home rather than the enthusiastically consenting hotty in the sexy nurse outfit.”

Yup. I head out early so I can get them when they’re sober and try to sway them off drinking (qualify them like you’re impressed that they aren’t a drunk bar ditz and they’re more inclined to drink waters with you). Also on Halloween there’s usually a DD in every group which in a group of girls is some girl in a slutty outfit so they can be worth hitting up (tho you’ll have to deal with more ASD and possible LMR).

Drunk girls don’t understand any of the brilliantly clever gold I’m spouting at them so I avoid them a lot despite what people think PUAs do lol Nothing is worse than having to babysit some drunk chick you’ve just met who’s going into full drama mode, and it’s even worse when you’re sober and people are looking at you like “uhh is that sober looking guy taking advantage of a drunk girl?” lol

Another Halloween line to use for guys not in costume, came up with this just now, will try it out in a few hours when I’m out: when they ask why I’m not wearing a costume “You can’t tell what my costume is? Seriously?? lol do you live in a cave? Do you watch TV at ALL??” “What is it??” “lol (shake your head) Ask LITERALLY any other girl here what my costume is and they’ll tell you.” and then walk away before she can respond, bonus points for patting her on the head condescendingly as you do.

In THEORY (because I haven’t field tested it yet, so this is mental masturbation), that should get her asking another girl or two about you and now you’ve got 2-3 girls curious about you and looking/pointing at you and wondering, which makes for good preselection and springboarding into other sets “hey those 3 girls keep following me around, will you girls pretend to be my girlfriend so they quit stalking me?” etc etc


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@Rollo
“Verbatim what I tell my ‘pour’ staff. Beware of girls getting too liquored up. Once they pass the point it becomes burden, not a benefit and all the Game you applied for 2 hours only locks you into a sloppy drunk you have to drive home rather than the enthusiastically consenting hotty in the sexy nurse outfit.”

Yup. I head out early so I can get them when they’re sober and try to sway them off drinking (qualify them like you’re impressed that they aren’t a drunk bar ditz and they’re more inclined to drink waters with you). Also on Halloween there’s usually a DD in every group which in a group of girls is some girl in a slutty outfit so they can be worth hitting up (tho you’ll have to deal with more ASD and possible LMR).

Drunk girls don’t understand any of the brilliantly clever gold I’m spouting at them so I avoid them a lot despite what people think PUAs do lol Nothing is worse than having to babysit some drunk chick you’ve just met who’s going into full drama mode, and it’s even worse when you’re sober and people are looking at you like “uhh is that sober looking guy taking advantage of a drunk girl?” lol

Another Halloween line to use for guys not in costume, came up with this just now, will try it out in a few hours when I’m out: when they ask why I’m not wearing a costume “You can’t tell what my costume is? Seriously?? lol do you live in a cave? Do you watch TV at ALL??” “What is it??” “lol (shake your head) Ask LITERALLY any other girl here what my costume is and they’ll tell you.” and then walk away before she can respond, bonus points for patting her on the head condescendingly as you do.

In THEORY (because I haven’t field tested it yet, so this is mental masturbation), that should get her asking another girl or two about you and now you’ve got 2-3 girls curious about you and looking/pointing at you and wondering, which makes for good preselection and springboarding into other sets “hey those 3 girls keep following me around, will you girls pretend to be my girlfriend so they quit stalking me?” etc etc


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“I have a good town for sarging, but my house is like a 15 minute drive from the downtown.”

I’ve known guys who’ve had to drive girls to their place 30+ min thru dead empty highways in the middle of the night lol I’ve never lived closer than a 30 min bus ride to the bars until recently but was able to pull.

“Is that a huge logistical hurdle?”

It just means you’ll have to keep on your game, sprinkle some Attract, build rapport, make sure you have music you can play to keep her state up, etc. It’s only weird if you make it weird. You could try either “it’s not far away don’t worry about it, I’ll drive you home in the morning” stuff where you don’t actually tell her how far it is and by the time she realizes it’s super far she likes you enough to not care, or you could disqualify yourself with it “oh I live way too far, at first you’d be like “oh this guy is so dreamy” but after like 10 minutes you’d be like “where is he taking me?? This guy is probably a serial killer…” And then I would turn off the music and just stare at you to creep you out lol Sounds like every Tinder date girls go on from what I’ve heard.” and change subjects.

You could seed some qualifying early too like “You’re not drunk are you? I don’t want you barfing in my car later” etc. like implying you two will be going home together

“Will a girl freak out if you try to drive her that far, like start thinking you’re some murderer driving her to a swamp?”

Ya totally. But knowing that, you can be prepared to frame control it lol I like to preempt it by saying they shouldn’t come with me I could be a serial killer and there are 5 dead hookers in my trunk that’s why I had to come out the bar tonight because I ran out of hookers etc etc and just make fun of the whole idea and then change the subject back to rapport/comfort.

Probably tone down the sexual stuff too and go into more asexual stuff, since it’s weird and akward to be sitting across from eachother side to side like that talking about sex and can help build her ASD like “omg we’re driving to HAVE SEX”. Like if you used the excuse “let’s watch this movie on Netflex it’s awesome”, talk about that movie instead etc. Like, keep her mind off “I’m being a slut and going home with a guy really far away to get fucked” lol She doesn’t WANT her ASD to kick in EITHER. It’s both of you VS her ASD.

Basically you just want to try to avoid breaking her state and interrupting the magic feels of the night. Like a lot of dumb guys will take a girl to a SUPER BRIGHTLY LIT food place after the bar and shatter the girl’s state because suddenly we’re not in a fantasy adventure dream anymore it’s cold harsh real life again and ASD kicks in. Or they’ll take her home and they don’t have specific dim/moody lights picked out to keep a sexy atmosphere so they walk in and flip on all the bright-ass lights that shatter the girl’s state. Or in their vehicle they won’t have music cued up and it’s just dead silence or they lose track of the conversation and let too much silence hang etc etc. Like, drive responsibly but have some music going and chat with her and tell some stories or ask her to tell you some stories or joke around about the night or reference in-jokes you guys had etc.

“I’m seeing if I should just go for her place or some fooling in an alley instead lol.”

If you can do either of these go for it lol I love fooling around in alleys and public places. Just be careful the Buyer’s Remorse can be higher because that feels sluttier (but hotter in the moment) so take ’em for food after or something lol When you’re finding out logistics you should be finding out what area of the city she lives in and if she has roommates etc so you know if her place is viable. Girls are often more comfortable banging at their place so I’m cool with that as an option especially if her logistics are better. Her place a 10 min drive away is probably better than your place 30 min away, unless she’s married or living with a boyfriend or roommates (never know if they’ll be cool or fuck everything up).


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“I have a good town for sarging, but my house is like a 15 minute drive from the downtown.”

I’ve known guys who’ve had to drive girls to their place 30+ min thru dead empty highways in the middle of the night lol I’ve never lived closer than a 30 min bus ride to the bars until recently but was able to pull.

“Is that a huge logistical hurdle?”

It just means you’ll have to keep on your game, sprinkle some Attract, build rapport, make sure you have music you can play to keep her state up, etc. It’s only weird if you make it weird. You could try either “it’s not far away don’t worry about it, I’ll drive you home in the morning” stuff where you don’t actually tell her how far it is and by the time she realizes it’s super far she likes you enough to not care, or you could disqualify yourself with it “oh I live way too far, at first you’d be like “oh this guy is so dreamy” but after like 10 minutes you’d be like “where is he taking me?? This guy is probably a serial killer…” And then I would turn off the music and just stare at you to creep you out lol Sounds like every Tinder date girls go on from what I’ve heard.” and change subjects.

You could seed some qualifying early too like “You’re not drunk are you? I don’t want you barfing in my car later” etc. like implying you two will be going home together

“Will a girl freak out if you try to drive her that far, like start thinking you’re some murderer driving her to a swamp?”

Ya totally. But knowing that, you can be prepared to frame control it lol I like to preempt it by saying they shouldn’t come with me I could be a serial killer and there are 5 dead hookers in my trunk that’s why I had to come out the bar tonight because I ran out of hookers etc etc and just make fun of the whole idea and then change the subject back to rapport/comfort.

Probably tone down the sexual stuff too and go into more asexual stuff, since it’s weird and akward to be sitting across from eachother side to side like that talking about sex and can help build her ASD like “omg we’re driving to HAVE SEX”. Like if you used the excuse “let’s watch this movie on Netflex it’s awesome”, talk about that movie instead etc. Like, keep her mind off “I’m being a slut and going home with a guy really far away to get fucked” lol She doesn’t WANT her ASD to kick in EITHER. It’s both of you VS her ASD.

Basically you just want to try to avoid breaking her state and interrupting the magic feels of the night. Like a lot of dumb guys will take a girl to a SUPER BRIGHTLY LIT food place after the bar and shatter the girl’s state because suddenly we’re not in a fantasy adventure dream anymore it’s cold harsh real life again and ASD kicks in. Or they’ll take her home and they don’t have specific dim/moody lights picked out to keep a sexy atmosphere so they walk in and flip on all the bright-ass lights that shatter the girl’s state. Or in their vehicle they won’t have music cued up and it’s just dead silence or they lose track of the conversation and let too much silence hang etc etc. Like, drive responsibly but have some music going and chat with her and tell some stories or ask her to tell you some stories or joke around about the night or reference in-jokes you guys had etc.

“I’m seeing if I should just go for her place or some fooling in an alley instead lol.”

If you can do either of these go for it lol I love fooling around in alleys and public places. Just be careful the Buyer’s Remorse can be higher because that feels sluttier (but hotter in the moment) so take ’em for food after or something lol When you’re finding out logistics you should be finding out what area of the city she lives in and if she has roommates etc so you know if her place is viable. Girls are often more comfortable banging at their place so I’m cool with that as an option especially if her logistics are better. Her place a 10 min drive away is probably better than your place 30 min away, unless she’s married or living with a boyfriend or roommates (never know if they’ll be cool or fuck everything up).


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Props on going out dude. Good job opening, that’s half the battle. You’re getting into sets fine it sounds like so now you just need to get some man-to-woman intent in there. Common thing guys need to work on, I’ve known dudes who go sarge for YEARS and don’t figure this shit out:

Pay attention at 4:30 in this vid (and later on his exercise about disagreeing with girls):

The first half of that vid is about eye-contact but Gambler and Liam cover it better here (I hate the “woo-woo” explanations of this stuff like “project your intent” wtf does that mean, Gambler and Liam explain the mechanics more step by step down to facial expressions and distance etc):

Skip to 28:30 in this vid, specifically the example he does with the girl to make her giggle as he closes the gap while she talks about Japan:

And skip to 13:50:

A lot of that stuff doesn’t even need verbals, like it doesn’t really matter if the venue is loud because you’re SUBcommunicating on a different channel instead of the obvious one.

The costume is making interactions asexual because you’re playing into being the dancing monkey fun for the night, which absolutely gets you attention on Halloween, like, the girls are there going “FUN FUN FUN WE WANT MORE FUN!!!!!” because their brain wants more of what it feels (really watch girls at the club, their entire night is based around pumping their own states up, they’re masters of it…us guys chode around in a corner scared to risk embarrassing ourselves and not looking as cool as James Bond, while girls will run out onto the dance floor and shake their ass to Miley Cyrus shit with no fucks given, so they end up unstifled and guys end up staying stifled).

So they see the costume and they can open you in a nice safe asexual “let’s all have fuuuunnn!!!” way, and if you open and aren’t VERY PRO-ACTIVELY making the interaction sexually charged, they’ll set the frame of “Funnnnn!!” and you’ll fall into that frame because your brain is more focused on “playing not to lose” instead of “playing to win” so it’s like “if I stay in her frame I can keep this interaction going longer so let’s talk about asexual platonic fuuuunnnnn stuff!!”

Basically she’s taking the lead of the interaction because you’re not, and she’s usually going to naturally lead it AWAY from sex because of ASD (if she led it to sex she’d be a slut). That’s why a lot of guys will get into sexual conversations with the girl and then they let it die down and suddenly they find themselves looking at stupid pictures of the girl’s dog she’s showing them on her phone or shes rambling about some retarded story that’s killing the sexually charged moment you were having together and is even knocking herself out of state lol

Because for her she knows she’ll be back in state at ANY time. EVERY guy wants to fuck her in every interaction so she doesn’t need to stay in that sexually charged state or she’d be fucking guys left and right. So she needs you to grab the reins and steer her back on track…you can do that with your verbals, by talking about sexual subjects (make innuendo about her Halloween costume, like sexy cops and handcuffs, sexy nurses and spongebaths, etc), or with your subcommunications like the videos above are talking about.

Good luck!

And for the guys crying about height: I’m 5’9″ and I was making out with a blonde chick that had a few inches on me (I had to reach up and pull her head down by the neck to make out lol). RDSTyler, Todd, Max, Jeffy, etc are all like 5’7″-5’9″, RSDJulien looks tall but he’s only about 6′:

I have a buddy who’s like 5’4″ and is always dating legit hotties that are much taller than him because he has a super strong frame and blasts through shit-tests, like no insecurity at all. Cupid Shmupid on YouTube is 5 feet tall but look at his body language and voice tonality etc it’s all rock solid so he can get attraction that a more insecure guy with like, Michael Cera mannerisms in his body wouldn’t get. There are girls that would fuck that midget off Game of Thrones just because his subcomms are all super boss. And I’ve had wings who are 6’4″ (and even one guy who was like 6’8″ it was retarded it was hard to even hear him in the bar because he was so tall his voice had to carry further lol). It all comes down to subcomms.

There’s two types of tall chicks: the insecure ones who wear flats and hunch over and the confident cocky ones who wear heels because “fuck everyone else” lol Personally I don’t like tall chicks, I’ve been with enough of them to know I can get them no problem but I find the sex to be more awkward. I like shorter chicks I can toss around and manhandle easier. A lot of the reason they don’t like short guys is that short guys are usually insecure about their height and “what you feel, she feels” because women ping off their environment for how to feel. That’s why when you see a short guy who has tall chicks that love him that guy is usually a badass boss who doesn’t take her seriously and isn’t in “awe” of her or anything, he knows she’s lucky to be with him and walks talks and acts like it. She’s attracted to his subcommunications, which society tells us are normally found by default in tall guys, but she’ll respond to them in short/ugly/etc guys because it’s the subcomms themselves that are attractive…it’s just that most guys who are short/ugly/etc. won’t give themselves permission to act like that because they’re in society’s social conditioning too, where they believe they have inherently lower value that the 6’4″ rich CEO jock guy…which is inherently allowing other people to define your value system, which is inherently not alpha. Donald Trump knows his hair is retarded, it’s not like he hasn’t heard people make fun of it, but he doesn’t give a fuck because he doesn’t let society dictate his value system. Love him or hate him, that’s alpha behavior.

Short guys shouldn’t waste their time on online dating because girls will be screening based on logic. The same way you probably don’t google porn of drunk 6s, you google porn of your personal 10s…but when you’re in a bar and that drunk 6 is grabbing your crotch and looking you in the eye like she’s going to suck your dick off and your friends have all left so no one’s around to witness it so you know there’s no repercussions, most guys will fuck that girl and enjoy it and maybe even make her a fuckbuddy or DATE her. Would they message her on an online dating site or describe her as their ideal or look up porn of her? Probably not, but in the moment people run on their emotions. All pickup is doing is pro-actively understanding and manipulating that in our favor…before she fucks you she looks for any reason NOT to fuck you, but if you DO fuck her because you understand all this shit and cut through all the limiting beliefs about how she masturbates to jacked firemen and shit, her hamster will look for any reason to rationalize WHY she fucked you and look for more reasons to fuck you to justify that she fucked you (because otherwise she’s just some slut) and if you understand red pill game shit for how to manage that and keep her attracted/hooked, it doesn’t matter if you’re not a jacked fireman.

Anyway take this all out there but try to focus on one thing tonight. Preselection during Halloween is huge because all the girls are “sexy” (those girls that would be a group of 5s and 6s on a normal night, wearing slutty outfits even if they’re too fat for them are projecting more sexuality than on a normal night so in girls’ brains when they’re reading preselection you have women who are more sexual up on you than normal, if that makes sense…like walk around with a girl on your arm but have her in a turtleneck and no makeup and hair in a bun and sweat pants, then walk around with the same girl in a tight mini-dress and red lipstick and heels etc and even though it’s the same girl and even though by default maybe she’s a 6, when she’s sexxed up your value is much higher).

So work the preselection angle, make sure to be cool with the dudes in the group ’cause dudes are friendly (own the men and you own the women, Halloween is great ’cause you can give the guy props on his costume and not accidentally come off gay lol),, and whenever you’re in a convo with a girl try Julien’s playful disagreeing and throw in the laser eye-contact and try to cut the space on high points and observe their reactions.

And remember any of the girls who haven’t gotten fucked yet are dying to get fucked tonight because they spent a bunch of money on their costumes and all their friends have gotten fucked and they’re walking around wearing practically nothing thinking “why won’t anyone fuck me?? Am I unattractive??” when in reality guys are just scared to make a move on them (they go up and have platonic friendzone asexual conversations) because we aren’t used to being surrounded by half-naked chicks like that day to day lol

Good luck, props again for heading out. Hope these vids help.


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Props on going out dude. Good job opening, that’s half the battle. You’re getting into sets fine it sounds like so now you just need to get some man-to-woman intent in there. Common thing guys need to work on, I’ve known dudes who go sarge for YEARS and don’t figure this shit out:

Pay attention at 4:30 in this vid (and later on his exercise about disagreeing with girls):

The first half of that vid is about eye-contact but Gambler and Liam cover it better here (I hate the “woo-woo” explanations of this stuff like “project your intent” wtf does that mean, Gambler and Liam explain the mechanics more step by step down to facial expressions and distance etc):

Skip to 28:30 in this vid, specifically the example he does with the girl to make her giggle as he closes the gap while she talks about Japan:

And skip to 13:50:

A lot of that stuff doesn’t even need verbals, like it doesn’t really matter if the venue is loud because you’re SUBcommunicating on a different channel instead of the obvious one.

The costume is making interactions asexual because you’re playing into being the dancing monkey fun for the night, which absolutely gets you attention on Halloween, like, the girls are there going “FUN FUN FUN WE WANT MORE FUN!!!!!” because their brain wants more of what it feels (really watch girls at the club, their entire night is based around pumping their own states up, they’re masters of it…us guys chode around in a corner scared to risk embarrassing ourselves and not looking as cool as James Bond, while girls will run out onto the dance floor and shake their ass to Miley Cyrus shit with no fucks given, so they end up unstifled and guys end up staying stifled).

So they see the costume and they can open you in a nice safe asexual “let’s all have fuuuunnn!!!” way, and if you open and aren’t VERY PRO-ACTIVELY making the interaction sexually charged, they’ll set the frame of “Funnnnn!!” and you’ll fall into that frame because your brain is more focused on “playing not to lose” instead of “playing to win” so it’s like “if I stay in her frame I can keep this interaction going longer so let’s talk about asexual platonic fuuuunnnnn stuff!!”

Basically she’s taking the lead of the interaction because you’re not, and she’s usually going to naturally lead it AWAY from sex because of ASD (if she led it to sex she’d be a slut). That’s why a lot of guys will get into sexual conversations with the girl and then they let it die down and suddenly they find themselves looking at stupid pictures of the girl’s dog she’s showing them on her phone or shes rambling about some retarded story that’s killing the sexually charged moment you were having together and is even knocking herself out of state lol

Because for her she knows she’ll be back in state at ANY time. EVERY guy wants to fuck her in every interaction so she doesn’t need to stay in that sexually charged state or she’d be fucking guys left and right. So she needs you to grab the reins and steer her back on track…you can do that with your verbals, by talking about sexual subjects (make innuendo about her Halloween costume, like sexy cops and handcuffs, sexy nurses and spongebaths, etc), or with your subcommunications like the videos above are talking about.

Good luck!

And for the guys crying about height: I’m 5’9″ and I was making out with a blonde chick that had a few inches on me (I had to reach up and pull her head down by the neck to make out lol). RDSTyler, Todd, Max, Jeffy, etc are all like 5’7″-5’9″, RSDJulien looks tall but he’s only about 6′:

I have a buddy who’s like 5’4″ and is always dating legit hotties that are much taller than him because he has a super strong frame and blasts through shit-tests, like no insecurity at all. Cupid Shmupid on YouTube is 5 feet tall but look at his body language and voice tonality etc it’s all rock solid so he can get attraction that a more insecure guy with like, Michael Cera mannerisms in his body wouldn’t get. There are girls that would fuck that midget off Game of Thrones just because his subcomms are all super boss. And I’ve had wings who are 6’4″ (and even one guy who was like 6’8″ it was retarded it was hard to even hear him in the bar because he was so tall his voice had to carry further lol). It all comes down to subcomms.

There’s two types of tall chicks: the insecure ones who wear flats and hunch over and the confident cocky ones who wear heels because “fuck everyone else” lol Personally I don’t like tall chicks, I’ve been with enough of them to know I can get them no problem but I find the sex to be more awkward. I like shorter chicks I can toss around and manhandle easier. A lot of the reason they don’t like short guys is that short guys are usually insecure about their height and “what you feel, she feels” because women ping off their environment for how to feel. That’s why when you see a short guy who has tall chicks that love him that guy is usually a badass boss who doesn’t take her seriously and isn’t in “awe” of her or anything, he knows she’s lucky to be with him and walks talks and acts like it. She’s attracted to his subcommunications, which society tells us are normally found by default in tall guys, but she’ll respond to them in short/ugly/etc guys because it’s the subcomms themselves that are attractive…it’s just that most guys who are short/ugly/etc. won’t give themselves permission to act like that because they’re in society’s social conditioning too, where they believe they have inherently lower value that the 6’4″ rich CEO jock guy…which is inherently allowing other people to define your value system, which is inherently not alpha. Donald Trump knows his hair is retarded, it’s not like he hasn’t heard people make fun of it, but he doesn’t give a fuck because he doesn’t let society dictate his value system. Love him or hate him, that’s alpha behavior.

Short guys shouldn’t waste their time on online dating because girls will be screening based on logic. The same way you probably don’t google porn of drunk 6s, you google porn of your personal 10s…but when you’re in a bar and that drunk 6 is grabbing your crotch and looking you in the eye like she’s going to suck your dick off and your friends have all left so no one’s around to witness it so you know there’s no repercussions, most guys will fuck that girl and enjoy it and maybe even make her a fuckbuddy or DATE her. Would they message her on an online dating site or describe her as their ideal or look up porn of her? Probably not, but in the moment people run on their emotions. All pickup is doing is pro-actively understanding and manipulating that in our favor…before she fucks you she looks for any reason NOT to fuck you, but if you DO fuck her because you understand all this shit and cut through all the limiting beliefs about how she masturbates to jacked firemen and shit, her hamster will look for any reason to rationalize WHY she fucked you and look for more reasons to fuck you to justify that she fucked you (because otherwise she’s just some slut) and if you understand red pill game shit for how to manage that and keep her attracted/hooked, it doesn’t matter if you’re not a jacked fireman.

Anyway take this all out there but try to focus on one thing tonight. Preselection during Halloween is huge because all the girls are “sexy” (those girls that would be a group of 5s and 6s on a normal night, wearing slutty outfits even if they’re too fat for them are projecting more sexuality than on a normal night so in girls’ brains when they’re reading preselection you have women who are more sexual up on you than normal, if that makes sense…like walk around with a girl on your arm but have her in a turtleneck and no makeup and hair in a bun and sweat pants, then walk around with the same girl in a tight mini-dress and red lipstick and heels etc and even though it’s the same girl and even though by default maybe she’s a 6, when she’s sexxed up your value is much higher).

So work the preselection angle, make sure to be cool with the dudes in the group ’cause dudes are friendly (own the men and you own the women, Halloween is great ’cause you can give the guy props on his costume and not accidentally come off gay lol),, and whenever you’re in a convo with a girl try Julien’s playful disagreeing and throw in the laser eye-contact and try to cut the space on high points and observe their reactions.

And remember any of the girls who haven’t gotten fucked yet are dying to get fucked tonight because they spent a bunch of money on their costumes and all their friends have gotten fucked and they’re walking around wearing practically nothing thinking “why won’t anyone fuck me?? Am I unattractive??” when in reality guys are just scared to make a move on them (they go up and have platonic friendzone asexual conversations) because we aren’t used to being surrounded by half-naked chicks like that day to day lol

Good luck, props again for heading out. Hope these vids help.


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“Any man with a soild frame and ZFG would have stood out like a road flare on fire.”

If anyone wants to experiment with how powerful frame control and ignoring social pressure/conditioning is, try going up to girls dancing high-energy like that, especially early in the night where it’s only girls on the dance floor, and open them without dancing, and just treat it like you’re not standing on a dance floor at all just keep calm solid minimal movement body language with no leaning in and, if you can hold your frame that YOU’RE the one being normal, watch them stop dancing and talk to you and now it’s not a dance floor to them either.

It’s like that gag where a guy stands facing the wrong way in an elevator and everyone else turns around because the guy seems confident in what he’s doing even though they KNOW logically it’s unusual, their frames are weaker than his and the strongest frame always wins.

The first few times you do this successfully are a huge mind-fuck, to yourself and the people watching who are like “wtf is he the girl-whisperer??” lol Great for preselection too, when you do it at the start of the night because everyone is watching the girls on the dance floor including other girls on and around the dance floor. Big risk, big reward lol


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“Any man with a soild frame and ZFG would have stood out like a road flare on fire.”

If anyone wants to experiment with how powerful frame control and ignoring social pressure/conditioning is, try going up to girls dancing high-energy like that, especially early in the night where it’s only girls on the dance floor, and open them without dancing, and just treat it like you’re not standing on a dance floor at all just keep calm solid minimal movement body language with no leaning in and, if you can hold your frame that YOU’RE the one being normal, watch them stop dancing and talk to you and now it’s not a dance floor to them either.

It’s like that gag where a guy stands facing the wrong way in an elevator and everyone else turns around because the guy seems confident in what he’s doing even though they KNOW logically it’s unusual, their frames are weaker than his and the strongest frame always wins.

The first few times you do this successfully are a huge mind-fuck, to yourself and the people watching who are like “wtf is he the girl-whisperer??” lol Great for preselection too, when you do it at the start of the night because everyone is watching the girls on the dance floor including other girls on and around the dance floor. Big risk, big reward lol


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“Thanks man. I gave the night a big write-up bc I think it was a pretty good example of where my game’s at, and ya gave me a bunch of really solid concrete things to hit next.”

That’s exactly why we do them. If you hadn’t written about your night (again to anyone planning to write Field Reports keep everything as anonymous as possible) I wouldn’t have been able to link you stuff specifically related to some sticking points you’re experiencing and you would just be heading on your next night out to do what you did this week all over again hoping something clicks. Instead now you have some very specific content to watch and can set proper goals that’ll help you make faster progress.

“I seem to subconsciously see it as being a waste of time”

It CAN be, but it can also be helpful. Like I was out solo this weekend and saw some random dude who was solo so I just chatted him up and had a wingman who bought me drinks for half the night (till he got hammered and left lol). That helped me build social momentum and not get stuck inside my head…if I hadn’t opened that dude I might have felt overwhelmed by the energy in the venue (chaotic nightclub in full party mode) and just stood around getting more and more inside my head. And he benefitted because I threw some girls at him and helped boost his state ’cause I’m positive/social in-field and put the people hanging out with me in a good positive state (think Vince Vaughn in Swingers).

Of course those guys generally aren’t going to be good long-term wingmen, like it’s cool if they turn out to be but I view them as “single serving friends” for the night because usually they don’t have much game and/or get hammered lol And they can be negative social proof sometimes, but whatever, being seen talking to ANYONE helps build some value and if the guy is uncalibrated you can always tell the girls “ya I don’t even know this guy he just bought me a drink earlier so I figured I’d introduce him to some girls lol”

That all said, depending on your city being able to chat with guys can be vital or unnecessary. In like, a smaller town you’re going to end up with more mixed sets of friends that have known eachother for a while etc where you want to be able to win the guys over before trying to take their girls so they don’t cockblock. But in a city like New York or Vegas where there are tons of all-female sets out, you can be better off just opening girls instead. Even hanging with ugly girls helps build some value because it says to other girls that women in general like you.

Just stuff to consider. I work a very anti-social job all day so when I go out I need to shake off the cobwebs and get out of my head so talking to ANYONE helps me. If you have a job that’s fairly social you may not need to build as much momentum. I have to like, force myself to make small-talk with the convenience store clerk and shit just to start switching my brain from work mode to socializing mode.

“I remember rsdTyler had a talk about how guys will occilate back and forth between emphasizing inner and outer game. I’m starting to see why.”

Ya, the original PUA community was like 100% external game, that’s why we had a lot of damage cases and shit getting laid but still fucked up internally. Tyler talks all the time about feeling like he was putting on an act and girls telling him he doesn’t have to try so hard after they already like him and losing them because he didn’t feel entitled to them under the surface etc. But then the last like 5+ years have been a huge focus on internal game. Now there’s a lot of both, but like, your brain only cares about what’s relevant to you right NOW so listening to some woowoo shit about feeling entitled will make you roll your eyes at one stage and then 6 months later you listen to the same talk and it’s like “HOLY SHIT THIS IS GENIUS” and get massive benefit out of it. Then you go out expecting to just float through the bar attracting women with your entitlement woowoo and drop the ball a few times and remember “oh ya I actually need to find out her logistics whoops” and go digging for external vids again lol But it all builds up over time, like you accumulate more reference experience and internalize this stuff and down the road you’re more just tightening screws on your racecar instead of picking out better tires.

Thing is if you tried to “skip ahead” and learn that stuff ahead of time, it wouldn’t even have relevance to you. Like you wouldn’t have the reference experiences to really internalize a lot of it so you’re not “ready” to learn it yet anyway. That’s why we have to learn to enjoy the PROCESS over the OUTCOME. Because you will *ALWAYS* be a “student” of the game. Even Tyler views himself as one, same with me. But we’ve learned to enjoy the GAME so it’s not frustrating. I KNOW from experience that if I’m going out regularly, my best night now will be my average night in 6+ months and that 6+ months from now stuff that doesn’t seem relevant or make sense to me will and stuff I’m doing now won’t have the impact it has at the moment and I LOVE that, that means I’m growing. It would be BORING if it wasn’t a challenge and there wasn’t new shit to learn or new paradigms to think about or techniques to try out to mix things up out there.

That’s why a lot of Manosphere guys like Roosh get jaded and bored with the game and their posts all come off negative and depressing and are full of bitching about women and stuff. Because they don’t ENJOY the game. They’re out there running the same thing they ran 5 years ago, 10 years ago, they’re just out there doing the same thing they did that worked in the past and they stick to their comfort zone and just go through the motions/routine all over again every night out, wearing their same fitted suit with matching pocket square, going to the same venues they believe are “the best” (and coincidentally are full of a crowd of people very similar to themselves) where they have social proof to rely on when they’re solo because they’ve been going there for years, and they start to view it about as exciting as if you had a job on an assembly line doing the same thing over and over all day.

I’m around 10 years in and I still LOVE going out. I’m EXCITED to go sarge, I’m ALREADY thinking about this weekend and where I fucked up last weekend and what I can do better and where I can tighten my game and thinking about how I would re-do the night or sets from last weekend to get around hurdles I ran into or sticking points I’m noticing in my game etc etc. Like when this weekend gets here I’m going to be buzzing with anticipation to go out and get up in some hotties’ grill. But it’s because I enjoy the PROCESS itself and I keep the game INTERESTING because I challenge myself.

It’s like Tyler says “The difference between me and you guys is that when you’re making out with a girl at the bar you’re probably getting all serious into it seductive and trying to pull her…while I’M grabbing the girl beside us and trying to pull her in to 3-way makeout with us as I laugh my ass off and I don’t even care if I lose them both because it’s FUN to me, I’m doing it to entertain MYSELF”.

Like I could have worn a costume out this Halloween, that’s society’s script it may have been way easier to just hit the gym and get myself a 6-pack (lol I kid about that being easy obvously) and go as a 300 Gladiator and bank on AIs and IOIs (even though they’ll mainly be from HB5-8s) and I’d feel way more comfortable being a “part” of the party vibe of Halloween. And I could have gone to a bar with people my age, a bunch of mid-30s dudes sitting around in some pub with jugs of beer bitching about their shitty lives and all the goals they haven’t accomplished and their girlfriends/wives who won’t put out, and women in their 30s who have a bunch of baggage and are “too mature” to dress in revealing slutty costumes and just spend the night being snarky about those “young sluts” at the nightclub across the street. And I could predrink a few beers and get myself good and wasted at the bar like everyone else so I can use the liquid confidence to unlock my social outgoing side no problem (until I’m slurring and missing signals and can’t get my dick hard even if I pull). And I would probably pull no problem, by taking that nice safe easy route.

But am I in the game just to get laid or am I in it to challenge myself? I’ve BEEN laid lol I HAVE girls to fuck, I don’t NEED to pull every night out. (I know new guys or guys in dry spells can’t relate to this, this is more for the guys who are in this long-term, like focus on pulling until you’ve got a sex life you’re satisfied with but then start challenging yourself lol like I said a few paragraphs above, this won’t have relevance to you till you start getting bored/jaded in-field, then come back and read this and you’ll be like “oh wow YaReally was dropping gold here” lol)

So instead of sticking to my comfort zone following the script, I instead go out to a kiddie nightclub, without a costume (plain old t-shirt jeans and sneakers), show up stone cold sober and solo. Is that the optimal way to get laid? Probably NOT lol But I was sucking face with a 21yo, got free drinks from some dude, fingered some other chick under her skirt, approached a legit 10 sober that had me speechless, number closed a chick who txted back the next day so it should be solid, passed a fuckload of shit-tests about not wearing a costume (that “you don’t recognize my costume? Do you watch TV at ALL?” thing worked great, I added “what if I do the accent? OY WOTS ALL THIS THEN GOV’NA?? STILL no idea? …jk, I’m just fucking with you, I’m not in a costume. :D”) and shattered a fuckload of limiting beliefs about my age, my looks, energy levels (I’m low-energy compared to the kiddies), wearing costumes on Halloween, reliance on wingmen, I sharpened my social skills, got practice building momentum and social proof from nothing, hung out with people very different from my peers and I, was forced out of my comfort zone all night long, dealt with shit-tests about my age (girl’s 19th birthday, she gives me shit about my age and runs off, but then comes back again a few minutes later because I wasn’t fazed by her shit-tests and gets up in my grill attracted lol, tell me again how I’m too old to be there?), shit-tests about not wearing a costume, worries about being solo, etc etc etc

So you take the Manosphere guy who stuck to his comfort zone all night or the guy who “acts his age” getting drunk in an “older crowd pub”, and you drop us into a random bar full of hot <25yo's in a t-shirt and I'm the guy who's going to feel fully comfortable there and pretty much guarantee I'll have a fun night while the other guys are struggling to stay afloat outside of their comfort zones.

That's how you keep the game FUN isntead of ending up jaded and posting on forums about entitled cunty feminist western slut whore bitches and trying to make up new men's movements based around an echo chamber worshipping you lol

"Anyways, in a nutshell: Woo! I’ve gotten up to ‘average guy who can talk to girls but it usually doesn’t go anywhere.’ Huge upgrade from ‘shy chode who stands against the wall terrified to talk to anyone he doesn’t know.’"

Props dude. Most people will never have the motivation or dedication to make even THAT much change to their lives. Never underestimate how impressive what you're doing is, even on the bad nights:

Like Tyler says, success is quiet. It's those little things like the quiet 2am walk to the gym because you refuse to go to sleep before doing a workout. Or in pickup terms it's that bus ride in the snow to the bar district on a dead Monday night just to find a single set to open or a waitress to flirt with. It's those nights out where you spend the night in your head and go home frustrated and promise yourself you're going to do better next time. It's those little positive interactions that you had a year ago that you STILL remember because it was such a rush and an epiphany.

"Now that I can (sometimes) get past it, I realize there’s some big holes in my outer game cause I’m actually getting into sets"

This is why I stress to an obnoxiously annoying level: GO OUT. A key PUA motto from the very early days is "The field is king". It's like the bodybuilder's "the iron never lies" motto. The field reveals all. The field will shove your sticking points in your face and rub them in it until you fix them. Like Tyler says in one of his videos the reason we stress going out over hitting the gym is that we know that when you go out enough, you're going to gather reference experiences that make you WANT to get healthier. When your fat ass is banging some hottie as you drip belly sweat all over her and you have to take a break mid-fuck because you're out of breath you're going to CHOOSE to say "you know what, maybe I should try to lose some weight…" and hit the gym. You can only have so many drunken nights out before you go "you know what, I really need to quit drinking and try doing this sober…" When the bouncer won't let you in the club because you're wearing shitty clothes you're going to say "Ok maybe I should look into fashion…"

But the reason we let guys discover these things for themselves is 1) they're more likely to prioritize them when THEY decide to do them VS someone telling them to, and 2) they're going to get enough positive reference experiences in the meantime to know that they don't need to obsess over these things…they pulled girls while they were fat so when they want to get in shape it's just a little icing on the cake and not something to base their identity/confidence around as a crutch or stress getting down to X% bodyfat or get jacked thinking that's going to be what gets them girls because they already got enough girls to know it doesn't REALLY matter. When they decide to fix their style they're going to have enough reference experience with girls to know that the girls don't care it's just the bouncers that care and they're going to have the reference experience to escalate on any free AIs/IOIs they get when they up their style instead of passively hoping their style just "gets" them girls like the internet guys told them it would and they go buy a closet full of different colored blazers and scarves when the first one doesn't work because they didn't go out enough dressed normal to teach themselves that that's a crutch. etc etc etc

My fav real-talk vid on the topic:

"I’m a good sort of dangerous. Like sugar"

lol good reframe. In the old days we called it "she knows that if she's around you she's in imminent danger of being fucked". It'll happen to you in-field too at some point and you'll have to start disqualifying yourself to help disarm their ASD etc First World Problems and all that lol

"I prefer improvising, but having gambits like that for when I’m not ‘on’ would be a great idea."

That's what they're for. Improvising is great, I mostly improvise and riff as I go…but the reality is this:

1) there will be times where you're not in a very social state and aren't feeling super clever or witty or the environment isn't providing you something to comment on to situationally open with, and you'll see that smokin hottie that you KNOW you could get if you opened her, and you'll choke

and 2) when you go out a lot you'll find you keep running into the same situations over and over. A girl will ALWAYS say "how old are you?" A bartender will ALWAYS be dealing with drunk retarded people. A birthday or bachelorette party of girls will be in almost EVERY bar. And you'll improvise a few times until you find something that gets a killer response, and when you run into those situations again you might as well use it and not be like "oh no that's a routine and routines are bad!!" (not that that's what YOU think, but that's the mentality a lot of guys have)

and 3) Naturals say the same shit over and over all the time. I can't even count the number of times my Natural buddies have told me the same story about a time they were being awesome not remembering they've told me it a thousand times and I've heard them tell girls it a thousand times lol

"Maybe people did find it weird though; having a thing about how all my friends ditched me but I still wanted to go out would be good, give a bit of a narrative to my presence."

I say my buddy got a booty call and bailed and then go into a routine about how he's been trying to ditch the girl for months but every time he gets drunk he txts her etc etc lol I could just say some confident stoic James Bond one-liner response about how a real man is comfortable travelling alone or something, but like, why not turn it into a 5 min sexual conversation topic that opens and engrosses the set and gives me an interaction to build rapport on instead of wasting that social opportunity I'm being handed on a silver-platter?

@hank holiday
"I haven’t really ever dated anyone, and I have been living more or less like a hermit over the past few years. However, you wouldn’t really know if you met me."

That was me till around age 23 but even worse. I had never held a girl's hand even, let alone dated or had sex or made out with a girl or even had platonic female friends, so you're doing way better by default than I was lol Just make the time to work on it and you'll improve your sex/social life.

@theasdgamer
"usually they’re nice dudes who want everyone around them to have fun and you can ride some of their positive energy.

Funny how we think alike on stuff like this"

It's like Tyler says: people stereotype rich guys as like scammers who cheated their way to the top and want everyone else to stay poor and suffer and they want to rub their money in the poor people's faces…but the reality is a lot of them are really good dudes who just worked hard to get where they are and they WANT everyone else to be successful TOO because they want everyone to experience the great lifestyle they get to experience. They WANT that homeless guy to buck up and get a job and earn his way to the top and be rich like them…but they also know that guy won't DO it. He won't even TRY. They can offer free help to people and most people won't accept it or won't stick to it or won't make an effort.

Like I sit here and invest my free hobby-time for the day writing 50000 word comments about the important of going out and writing Field Reports and how guys should be reading Mystery Method and going out and applying it etc etc but like, how many guys reading this are ACTUALLY going to do it? I wrote everything anyone needs to know about how to own Halloween and there were 3 nights worth of Halloween celebrations to go out and socialize and hit on hot girls…but how many guys reading this stuff ACTUALLY went out and tried it? I write about how looks don't matter and show dozens of videos of guys picking up in a t-shirt and explain all the psychology behind why it doesn't matter but how many guys will ACTUALLY go out sarging multiple nights a week in a t-shirt for 6 months and how many will stick to their usual uniform or write rants about how I'm wrong and ignore all the videos.

I would love if EVERYONE had Tyler level game skills. That would be fucking AWESOME, I would have SO MANY WINGMEN I could rely on to actually hold a fucking set lol I would LOVE seeing everyone out there dressed casually and macking hot girls without needing to be wasted drunk or worrying about their bodyfat percentage and aren't depressed because they hate their lives and have a bunch of negative thought-loops. I look FORWARD to the day where I go to a bar full of hotties and CAN'T pull because all the other guys in there, whoever they are and whatever they look like or how shitty their life has been, are pulling the girls home to fuck. I would slow-clap for the entire fucking room with a smile on my face. We were actually WORRIED that that was going to happen when The Game launched and game started going mainstream. "Oh man, EVERY guy is going to learn this stuff and then we'll all be fucked!!"

…but the sad reality is that just like most people will never be rich not because they aren't CAPABLE of it but because they don't want to put in the effort, most guys will never escape a mediocre sex life with mediocre women, and they'll just convince themselves they're happier without it or that they aren't capable of it because it's way harder to admit that they're just lazy.

That's why a lot of those "AMOGs" at the bar are actually just cool friendly guys that would LOVE if you were a cool friendly guy too. But when you view them as "the enemy" the same way a poor person might view the 1% rich CEOs etc, they're going to live up to your expectations.

That doesn't mean there aren't dickheads, but it's like any group: there's a small handful of total assholes but the majority are inherently good people.

@newlyaloof
"Checked Heartiste’s site to see if you left any gold, but didn’t see any and didn’t think you’d put anything here about Halloween so I didn’t check here."

There's not really any game-related posts there for me to post in and skimming the comment section it doesn't look like anyone really goes out (except Culum <3 lol). CH seems to have focused on a specific type of audience and it's not really a crowd I want to spend my time interacting with because I don't hang out in the Manosphere to make friends, I already have those in real life lol I'm only around to help guys who want to learn pickup and improve their lives. I don't even read usernames half the time, I just search for the word "PUA" (so I can clarify whatever bullshit lies have inevitably been said about PUA and what PUA teaches lol) or "YaReally" and see if there's anything I can reply to help whoever it is. That's why I can't remember if it's Sun Wukong or Forge the Sky who lives in a city they hate and is working on moving out of there in a few months and I sometimes help out retarded people because I forget that months ago I realized they were retarded the last time I tried to help them or help out people that used to hate me without remembering that they used to hate me lol 'cause I don't care about any of that. I'm just here to help whoever I can wherever I can and I do it in public because I know there are lurkers that benefit from it when they come looking for help because every guy runs into the same issues…Forge the Sky's Field Report about going out and having fun but asexual interactions is EVERY guy's sticking point at SOME point in his journey and the stuff I wrote and linked to him will help those guys when they find Forge's post someday. But 6 months from now I won't remember whether I wrote that post to Forge or Sun or a dozen other guys I've helped since then lol

"and was going to open them with “Hold up. You’re walking to fast for the party.” When they ask what party, I’d say, “I’m the party (Cupid Schmupid).” But since they were a bit far ahead of my, I bitched out again."

Lower your criteria for success. Part of why you're freezing up is that while these are all clever lines, they're lines that require a LOT of confidence to pull off…which is GREAT midway through the night when you're warmed up and in a great state, but when you're just starting the night out your brain is often going to be like "I should say this super confident line but ahhh I don't feel congruent to it yet, I'm still kind of inside my head from work and not feeling social ahhhh" and choke you.

I actually had this exact problem for a rough period last year where I had crazy Approach Anxiety and couldn't get myself to open when I was out. It took me a while to realize that all my openers were AWESOME and worked for me in the past, but they worked when I was in a killer state because that's when I was spouting gold and everything was hitting. But they were WAY too, not "advanced", but just like, beyond the threshold of what my state let me feel entitled to get away with saying, if that makes sense. Like there's a part of my brain saying "I can't say THAT, THAT'S not going to work, she hasn't seen me be awesome yet, I don't have enough value to pull THAT off, she's not giving me enough of an approach invite for THAT to work" but then I didn't have anything else queued up to say so I'd choke and then that starts the negative spiral of "oh man, I choked, I'm such a chode ahhh I should've opened" and then REALLY don't feel entitled to be that cocky with the next girl and choke again and then my brain starts deciding "well I guess from these reference experiences I'm being given, tonight is a night where we see girls and don't open them so that's what we'll keep doing!" lol

Next time you're out, tell yourself for the first few sets all you have to do is like, ask for the time or ask if they know where the bar you're heading to is and ask for directions. Like, that's it. Just get into set with something super simple that requires ZERO confidence or social state. The lowest possible barrier for entry. And/or purposely try to get blown out off the opener, like TRY to get shot down AS your opener. Either/both of those things will help your brain loosen up and see "ok nothing terrible happens if I open" and often you'll find that even tho you just asked for directions your brain kicks in and starts riffing and suddenly you're in a 5 minute street set getting ioi's and you still choke and let the girl run off because you weren't expecting a good response that early, but when you hit up the next set you'll start feeling more and more entitled to start busting out your A-material.

@SJF @scribblerg @etc
"I’m not posting up my not drinking as a way of glossing myself. I posted it up because it is part of a bigger red pill narrative. Becoming better at being a man."

For what it's worth all the guys posting about not drinking is part of what helps me cut back on my drinking. I'm down to just a couple of beers when I'm out most nights which is huge for me 'cause there were periods where I was drinking hardcore (I have a PUA wingman right now who's focused on self-improvment like myself and doesn't drink much either so we keep eachother in check now, whereas in my heavy drinking period I was hanging out with a lot of "normal" social guys who party hard, half a bottle of booze before heading to the bar style and was getting caught up in that).

Men need to hear other men's stories both for inspiration from the good stories, and as warnings from the bad stories. Society has men bottling it all up scared to talk about it and punished for trying to. That's why spaces like TRM are important. I won't agree with 100% of what anyone here says, we all come from different walks of life with different experiences, but that doesn't mean I don't want to hear from other guys so I can think about how or if what they're saying relates to my own life.

I even like reading Andy's shit, far as I'm concerned a dude who's unhappy in his marriage/settled life and wanting to try to bone girls on the side or being frustrated with having kids isn't an uncommon situation in 2015, but at the same time I agree with whoever said that he was delusional in how easy it would be to just pick up game and be banging 10s if he tosses his wife away to go chase poon when that was the topic lol But like, his situation isn't an uncommon one, I don't see any reason he shouldn't post about it for other guys in similar situations to relate to and all try to figure out solutions.

I read that kind of stuff and make mental notes for if I ever decide to settle and have kids when I'm like 45+ because I'm sure I'll be the guy that's like "Fuck this kid, why won't it stop crying?!?! I miss chasing poon ahhhhh" lol I mean, who else is going to tell me that being a dad to a 2 year old makes you want to drink and get high every night because the kid is a fucking terror…mainstream media? Feminists? Blue pill people who want me to settle down and have kids? No one but guys like Andy who find spaces like this where it's safe to admit that shit.


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@Forge the Sky
“Thanks man. I gave the night a big write-up bc I think it was a pretty good example of where my game’s at, and ya gave me a bunch of really solid concrete things to hit next.”

That’s exactly why we do them. If you hadn’t written about your night (again to anyone planning to write Field Reports keep everything as anonymous as possible) I wouldn’t have been able to link you stuff specifically related to some sticking points you’re experiencing and you would just be heading on your next night out to do what you did this week all over again hoping something clicks. Instead now you have some very specific content to watch and can set proper goals that’ll help you make faster progress.

“I seem to subconsciously see it as being a waste of time”

It CAN be, but it can also be helpful. Like I was out solo this weekend and saw some random dude who was solo so I just chatted him up and had a wingman who bought me drinks for half the night (till he got hammered and left lol). That helped me build social momentum and not get stuck inside my head…if I hadn’t opened that dude I might have felt overwhelmed by the energy in the venue (chaotic nightclub in full party mode) and just stood around getting more and more inside my head. And he benefitted because I threw some girls at him and helped boost his state ’cause I’m positive/social in-field and put the people hanging out with me in a good positive state (think Vince Vaughn in Swingers).

Of course those guys generally aren’t going to be good long-term wingmen, like it’s cool if they turn out to be but I view them as “single serving friends” for the night because usually they don’t have much game and/or get hammered lol And they can be negative social proof sometimes, but whatever, being seen talking to ANYONE helps build some value and if the guy is uncalibrated you can always tell the girls “ya I don’t even know this guy he just bought me a drink earlier so I figured I’d introduce him to some girls lol”

That all said, depending on your city being able to chat with guys can be vital or unnecessary. In like, a smaller town you’re going to end up with more mixed sets of friends that have known eachother for a while etc where you want to be able to win the guys over before trying to take their girls so they don’t cockblock. But in a city like New York or Vegas where there are tons of all-female sets out, you can be better off just opening girls instead. Even hanging with ugly girls helps build some value because it says to other girls that women in general like you.

Just stuff to consider. I work a very anti-social job all day so when I go out I need to shake off the cobwebs and get out of my head so talking to ANYONE helps me. If you have a job that’s fairly social you may not need to build as much momentum. I have to like, force myself to make small-talk with the convenience store clerk and shit just to start switching my brain from work mode to socializing mode.

“I remember rsdTyler had a talk about how guys will occilate back and forth between emphasizing inner and outer game. I’m starting to see why.”

Ya, the original PUA community was like 100% external game, that’s why we had a lot of damage cases and shit getting laid but still fucked up internally. Tyler talks all the time about feeling like he was putting on an act and girls telling him he doesn’t have to try so hard after they already like him and losing them because he didn’t feel entitled to them under the surface etc. But then the last like 5+ years have been a huge focus on internal game. Now there’s a lot of both, but like, your brain only cares about what’s relevant to you right NOW so listening to some woowoo shit about feeling entitled will make you roll your eyes at one stage and then 6 months later you listen to the same talk and it’s like “HOLY SHIT THIS IS GENIUS” and get massive benefit out of it. Then you go out expecting to just float through the bar attracting women with your entitlement woowoo and drop the ball a few times and remember “oh ya I actually need to find out her logistics whoops” and go digging for external vids again lol But it all builds up over time, like you accumulate more reference experience and internalize this stuff and down the road you’re more just tightening screws on your racecar instead of picking out better tires.

Thing is if you tried to “skip ahead” and learn that stuff ahead of time, it wouldn’t even have relevance to you. Like you wouldn’t have the reference experiences to really internalize a lot of it so you’re not “ready” to learn it yet anyway. That’s why we have to learn to enjoy the PROCESS over the OUTCOME. Because you will *ALWAYS* be a “student” of the game. Even Tyler views himself as one, same with me. But we’ve learned to enjoy the GAME so it’s not frustrating. I KNOW from experience that if I’m going out regularly, my best night now will be my average night in 6+ months and that 6+ months from now stuff that doesn’t seem relevant or make sense to me will and stuff I’m doing now won’t have the impact it has at the moment and I LOVE that, that means I’m growing. It would be BORING if it wasn’t a challenge and there wasn’t new shit to learn or new paradigms to think about or techniques to try out to mix things up out there.

That’s why a lot of Manosphere guys like Roosh get jaded and bored with the game and their posts all come off negative and depressing and are full of bitching about women and stuff. Because they don’t ENJOY the game. They’re out there running the same thing they ran 5 years ago, 10 years ago, they’re just out there doing the same thing they did that worked in the past and they stick to their comfort zone and just go through the motions/routine all over again every night out, wearing their same fitted suit with matching pocket square, going to the same venues they believe are “the best” (and coincidentally are full of a crowd of people very similar to themselves) where they have social proof to rely on when they’re solo because they’ve been going there for years, and they start to view it about as exciting as if you had a job on an assembly line doing the same thing over and over all day.

I’m around 10 years in and I still LOVE going out. I’m EXCITED to go sarge, I’m ALREADY thinking about this weekend and where I fucked up last weekend and what I can do better and where I can tighten my game and thinking about how I would re-do the night or sets from last weekend to get around hurdles I ran into or sticking points I’m noticing in my game etc etc. Like when this weekend gets here I’m going to be buzzing with anticipation to go out and get up in some hotties’ grill. But it’s because I enjoy the PROCESS itself and I keep the game INTERESTING because I challenge myself.

It’s like Tyler says “The difference between me and you guys is that when you’re making out with a girl at the bar you’re probably getting all serious into it seductive and trying to pull her…while I’M grabbing the girl beside us and trying to pull her in to 3-way makeout with us as I laugh my ass off and I don’t even care if I lose them both because it’s FUN to me, I’m doing it to entertain MYSELF”.

Like I could have worn a costume out this Halloween, that’s society’s script it may have been way easier to just hit the gym and get myself a 6-pack (lol I kid about that being easy obvously) and go as a 300 Gladiator and bank on AIs and IOIs (even though they’ll mainly be from HB5-8s) and I’d feel way more comfortable being a “part” of the party vibe of Halloween. And I could have gone to a bar with people my age, a bunch of mid-30s dudes sitting around in some pub with jugs of beer bitching about their shitty lives and all the goals they haven’t accomplished and their girlfriends/wives who won’t put out, and women in their 30s who have a bunch of baggage and are “too mature” to dress in revealing slutty costumes and just spend the night being snarky about those “young sluts” at the nightclub across the street. And I could predrink a few beers and get myself good and wasted at the bar like everyone else so I can use the liquid confidence to unlock my social outgoing side no problem (until I’m slurring and missing signals and can’t get my dick hard even if I pull). And I would probably pull no problem, by taking that nice safe easy route.

But am I in the game just to get laid or am I in it to challenge myself? I’ve BEEN laid lol I HAVE girls to fuck, I don’t NEED to pull every night out. (I know new guys or guys in dry spells can’t relate to this, this is more for the guys who are in this long-term, like focus on pulling until you’ve got a sex life you’re satisfied with but then start challenging yourself lol like I said a few paragraphs above, this won’t have relevance to you till you start getting bored/jaded in-field, then come back and read this and you’ll be like “oh wow YaReally was dropping gold here” lol)

So instead of sticking to my comfort zone following the script, I instead go out to a kiddie nightclub, without a costume (plain old t-shirt jeans and sneakers), show up stone cold sober and solo. Is that the optimal way to get laid? Probably NOT lol But I was sucking face with a 21yo, got free drinks from some dude, fingered some other chick under her skirt, approached a legit 10 sober that had me speechless, number closed a chick who txted back the next day so it should be solid, passed a fuckload of shit-tests about not wearing a costume (that “you don’t recognize my costume? Do you watch TV at ALL?” thing worked great, I added “what if I do the accent? OY WOTS ALL THIS THEN GOV’NA?? STILL no idea? …jk, I’m just fucking with you, I’m not in a costume. :D”) and shattered a fuckload of limiting beliefs about my age, my looks, energy levels (I’m low-energy compared to the kiddies), wearing costumes on Halloween, reliance on wingmen, I sharpened my social skills, got practice building momentum and social proof from nothing, hung out with people very different from my peers and I, was forced out of my comfort zone all night long, dealt with shit-tests about my age (girl’s 19th birthday, she gives me shit about my age and runs off, but then comes back again a few minutes later because I wasn’t fazed by her shit-tests and gets up in my grill attracted lol, tell me again how I’m too old to be there?), shit-tests about not wearing a costume, worries about being solo, etc etc etc

So you take the Manosphere guy who stuck to his comfort zone all night or the guy who “acts his age” getting drunk in an “older crowd pub”, and you drop us into a random bar full of hot <25yo's in a t-shirt and I'm the guy who's going to feel fully comfortable there and pretty much guarantee I'll have a fun night while the other guys are struggling to stay afloat outside of their comfort zones.

That's how you keep the game FUN isntead of ending up jaded and posting on forums about entitled cunty feminist western slut whore bitches and trying to make up new men's movements based around an echo chamber worshipping you lol

"Anyways, in a nutshell: Woo! I’ve gotten up to ‘average guy who can talk to girls but it usually doesn’t go anywhere.’ Huge upgrade from ‘shy chode who stands against the wall terrified to talk to anyone he doesn’t know.’"

Props dude. Most people will never have the motivation or dedication to make even THAT much change to their lives. Never underestimate how impressive what you're doing is, even on the bad nights:

Like Tyler says, success is quiet. It's those little things like the quiet 2am walk to the gym because you refuse to go to sleep before doing a workout. Or in pickup terms it's that bus ride in the snow to the bar district on a dead Monday night just to find a single set to open or a waitress to flirt with. It's those nights out where you spend the night in your head and go home frustrated and promise yourself you're going to do better next time. It's those little positive interactions that you had a year ago that you STILL remember because it was such a rush and an epiphany.

"Now that I can (sometimes) get past it, I realize there’s some big holes in my outer game cause I’m actually getting into sets"

This is why I stress to an obnoxiously annoying level: GO OUT. A key PUA motto from the very early days is "The field is king". It's like the bodybuilder's "the iron never lies" motto. The field reveals all. The field will shove your sticking points in your face and rub them in it until you fix them. Like Tyler says in one of his videos the reason we stress going out over hitting the gym is that we know that when you go out enough, you're going to gather reference experiences that make you WANT to get healthier. When your fat ass is banging some hottie as you drip belly sweat all over her and you have to take a break mid-fuck because you're out of breath you're going to CHOOSE to say "you know what, maybe I should try to lose some weight…" and hit the gym. You can only have so many drunken nights out before you go "you know what, I really need to quit drinking and try doing this sober…" When the bouncer won't let you in the club because you're wearing shitty clothes you're going to say "Ok maybe I should look into fashion…"

But the reason we let guys discover these things for themselves is 1) they're more likely to prioritize them when THEY decide to do them VS someone telling them to, and 2) they're going to get enough positive reference experiences in the meantime to know that they don't need to obsess over these things…they pulled girls while they were fat so when they want to get in shape it's just a little icing on the cake and not something to base their identity/confidence around as a crutch or stress getting down to X% bodyfat or get jacked thinking that's going to be what gets them girls because they already got enough girls to know it doesn't REALLY matter. When they decide to fix their style they're going to have enough reference experience with girls to know that the girls don't care it's just the bouncers that care and they're going to have the reference experience to escalate on any free AIs/IOIs they get when they up their style instead of passively hoping their style just "gets" them girls like the internet guys told them it would and they go buy a closet full of different colored blazers and scarves when the first one doesn't work because they didn't go out enough dressed normal to teach themselves that that's a crutch. etc etc etc

My fav real-talk vid on the topic:

"I’m a good sort of dangerous. Like sugar"

lol good reframe. In the old days we called it "she knows that if she's around you she's in imminent danger of being fucked". It'll happen to you in-field too at some point and you'll have to start disqualifying yourself to help disarm their ASD etc First World Problems and all that lol

"I prefer improvising, but having gambits like that for when I’m not ‘on’ would be a great idea."

That's what they're for. Improvising is great, I mostly improvise and riff as I go…but the reality is this:

1) there will be times where you're not in a very social state and aren't feeling super clever or witty or the environment isn't providing you something to comment on to situationally open with, and you'll see that smokin hottie that you KNOW you could get if you opened her, and you'll choke

and 2) when you go out a lot you'll find you keep running into the same situations over and over. A girl will ALWAYS say "how old are you?" A bartender will ALWAYS be dealing with drunk retarded people. A birthday or bachelorette party of girls will be in almost EVERY bar. And you'll improvise a few times until you find something that gets a killer response, and when you run into those situations again you might as well use it and not be like "oh no that's a routine and routines are bad!!" (not that that's what YOU think, but that's the mentality a lot of guys have)

and 3) Naturals say the same shit over and over all the time. I can't even count the number of times my Natural buddies have told me the same story about a time they were being awesome not remembering they've told me it a thousand times and I've heard them tell girls it a thousand times lol

"Maybe people did find it weird though; having a thing about how all my friends ditched me but I still wanted to go out would be good, give a bit of a narrative to my presence."

I say my buddy got a booty call and bailed and then go into a routine about how he's been trying to ditch the girl for months but every time he gets drunk he txts her etc etc lol I could just say some confident stoic James Bond one-liner response about how a real man is comfortable travelling alone or something, but like, why not turn it into a 5 min sexual conversation topic that opens and engrosses the set and gives me an interaction to build rapport on instead of wasting that social opportunity I'm being handed on a silver-platter?

@hank holiday
"I haven’t really ever dated anyone, and I have been living more or less like a hermit over the past few years. However, you wouldn’t really know if you met me."

That was me till around age 23 but even worse. I had never held a girl's hand even, let alone dated or had sex or made out with a girl or even had platonic female friends, so you're doing way better by default than I was lol Just make the time to work on it and you'll improve your sex/social life.

@theasdgamer
"usually they’re nice dudes who want everyone around them to have fun and you can ride some of their positive energy.

Funny how we think alike on stuff like this"

It's like Tyler says: people stereotype rich guys as like scammers who cheated their way to the top and want everyone else to stay poor and suffer and they want to rub their money in the poor people's faces…but the reality is a lot of them are really good dudes who just worked hard to get where they are and they WANT everyone else to be successful TOO because they want everyone to experience the great lifestyle they get to experience. They WANT that homeless guy to buck up and get a job and earn his way to the top and be rich like them…but they also know that guy won't DO it. He won't even TRY. They can offer free help to people and most people won't accept it or won't stick to it or won't make an effort.

Like I sit here and invest my free hobby-time for the day writing 50000 word comments about the important of going out and writing Field Reports and how guys should be reading Mystery Method and going out and applying it etc etc but like, how many guys reading this are ACTUALLY going to do it? I wrote everything anyone needs to know about how to own Halloween and there were 3 nights worth of Halloween celebrations to go out and socialize and hit on hot girls…but how many guys reading this stuff ACTUALLY went out and tried it? I write about how looks don't matter and show dozens of videos of guys picking up in a t-shirt and explain all the psychology behind why it doesn't matter but how many guys will ACTUALLY go out sarging multiple nights a week in a t-shirt for 6 months and how many will stick to their usual uniform or write rants about how I'm wrong and ignore all the videos.

I would love if EVERYONE had Tyler level game skills. That would be fucking AWESOME, I would have SO MANY WINGMEN I could rely on to actually hold a fucking set lol I would LOVE seeing everyone out there dressed casually and macking hot girls without needing to be wasted drunk or worrying about their bodyfat percentage and aren't depressed because they hate their lives and have a bunch of negative thought-loops. I look FORWARD to the day where I go to a bar full of hotties and CAN'T pull because all the other guys in there, whoever they are and whatever they look like or how shitty their life has been, are pulling the girls home to fuck. I would slow-clap for the entire fucking room with a smile on my face. We were actually WORRIED that that was going to happen when The Game launched and game started going mainstream. "Oh man, EVERY guy is going to learn this stuff and then we'll all be fucked!!"

…but the sad reality is that just like most people will never be rich not because they aren't CAPABLE of it but because they don't want to put in the effort, most guys will never escape a mediocre sex life with mediocre women, and they'll just convince themselves they're happier without it or that they aren't capable of it because it's way harder to admit that they're just lazy.

That's why a lot of those "AMOGs" at the bar are actually just cool friendly guys that would LOVE if you were a cool friendly guy too. But when you view them as "the enemy" the same way a poor person might view the 1% rich CEOs etc, they're going to live up to your expectations.

That doesn't mean there aren't dickheads, but it's like any group: there's a small handful of total assholes but the majority are inherently good people.

@newlyaloof
"Checked Heartiste’s site to see if you left any gold, but didn’t see any and didn’t think you’d put anything here about Halloween so I didn’t check here."

There's not really any game-related posts there for me to post in and skimming the comment section it doesn't look like anyone really goes out (except Culum❀ lol). CH seems to have focused on a specific type of audience and it's not really a crowd I want to spend my time interacting with because I don't hang out in the Manosphere to make friends, I already have those in real life lol I'm only around to help guys who want to learn pickup and improve their lives. I don't even read usernames half the time, I just search for the word "PUA" (so I can clarify whatever bullshit lies have inevitably been said about PUA and what PUA teaches lol) or "YaReally" and see if there's anything I can reply to help whoever it is. That's why I can't remember if it's Sun Wukong or Forge the Sky who lives in a city they hate and is working on moving out of there in a few months and I sometimes help out retarded people because I forget that months ago I realized they were retarded the last time I tried to help them or help out people that used to hate me without remembering that they used to hate me lol 'cause I don't care about any of that. I'm just here to help whoever I can wherever I can and I do it in public because I know there are lurkers that benefit from it when they come looking for help because every guy runs into the same issues…Forge the Sky's Field Report about going out and having fun but asexual interactions is EVERY guy's sticking point at SOME point in his journey and the stuff I wrote and linked to him will help those guys when they find Forge's post someday. But 6 months from now I won't remember whether I wrote that post to Forge or Sun or a dozen other guys I've helped since then lol

"and was going to open them with “Hold up. You’re walking to fast for the party.” When they ask what party, I’d say, “I’m the party (Cupid Schmupid).” But since they were a bit far ahead of my, I bitched out again."

Lower your criteria for success. Part of why you're freezing up is that while these are all clever lines, they're lines that require a LOT of confidence to pull off…which is GREAT midway through the night when you're warmed up and in a great state, but when you're just starting the night out your brain is often going to be like "I should say this super confident line but ahhh I don't feel congruent to it yet, I'm still kind of inside my head from work and not feeling social ahhhh" and choke you.

I actually had this exact problem for a rough period last year where I had crazy Approach Anxiety and couldn't get myself to open when I was out. It took me a while to realize that all my openers were AWESOME and worked for me in the past, but they worked when I was in a killer state because that's when I was spouting gold and everything was hitting. But they were WAY too, not "advanced", but just like, beyond the threshold of what my state let me feel entitled to get away with saying, if that makes sense. Like there's a part of my brain saying "I can't say THAT, THAT'S not going to work, she hasn't seen me be awesome yet, I don't have enough value to pull THAT off, she's not giving me enough of an approach invite for THAT to work" but then I didn't have anything else queued up to say so I'd choke and then that starts the negative spiral of "oh man, I choked, I'm such a chode ahhh I should've opened" and then REALLY don't feel entitled to be that cocky with the next girl and choke again and then my brain starts deciding "well I guess from these reference experiences I'm being given, tonight is a night where we see girls and don't open them so that's what we'll keep doing!" lol

Next time you're out, tell yourself for the first few sets all you have to do is like, ask for the time or ask if they know where the bar you're heading to is and ask for directions. Like, that's it. Just get into set with something super simple that requires ZERO confidence or social state. The lowest possible barrier for entry. And/or purposely try to get blown out off the opener, like TRY to get shot down AS your opener. Either/both of those things will help your brain loosen up and see "ok nothing terrible happens if I open" and often you'll find that even tho you just asked for directions your brain kicks in and starts riffing and suddenly you're in a 5 minute street set getting ioi's and you still choke and let the girl run off because you weren't expecting a good response that early, but when you hit up the next set you'll start feeling more and more entitled to start busting out your A-material.

@SJF @scribblerg @etc
"I’m not posting up my not drinking as a way of glossing myself. I posted it up because it is part of a bigger red pill narrative. Becoming better at being a man."

For what it's worth all the guys posting about not drinking is part of what helps me cut back on my drinking. I'm down to just a couple of beers when I'm out most nights which is huge for me 'cause there were periods where I was drinking hardcore (I have a PUA wingman right now who's focused on self-improvment like myself and doesn't drink much either so we keep eachother in check now, whereas in my heavy drinking period I was hanging out with a lot of "normal" social guys who party hard, half a bottle of booze before heading to the bar style and was getting caught up in that).

Men need to hear other men's stories both for inspiration from the good stories, and as warnings from the bad stories. Society has men bottling it all up scared to talk about it and punished for trying to. That's why spaces like TRM are important. I won't agree with 100% of what anyone here says, we all come from different walks of life with different experiences, but that doesn't mean I don't want to hear from other guys so I can think about how or if what they're saying relates to my own life.

I even like reading Andy's shit, far as I'm concerned a dude who's unhappy in his marriage/settled life and wanting to try to bone girls on the side or being frustrated with having kids isn't an uncommon situation in 2015, but at the same time I agree with whoever said that he was delusional in how easy it would be to just pick up game and be banging 10s if he tosses his wife away to go chase poon when that was the topic lol But like, his situation isn't an uncommon one, I don't see any reason he shouldn't post about it for other guys in similar situations to relate to and all try to figure out solutions.

I read that kind of stuff and make mental notes for if I ever decide to settle and have kids when I'm like 45+ because I'm sure I'll be the guy that's like "Fuck this kid, why won't it stop crying?!?! I miss chasing poon ahhhhh" lol I mean, who else is going to tell me that being a dad to a 2 year old makes you want to drink and get high every night because the kid is a fucking terror…mainstream media? Feminists? Blue pill people who want me to settle down and have kids? No one but guys like Andy who find spaces like this where it's safe to admit that shit.


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Also for the next couple weeks a solid routine/conversation topic to drop in sets right off the open is “so what was your halloween costume this year?” You’re basically guaranteed a 5 min interaction off that question and you can use it on any chick from your cute waitress on your work lunch break (follow it up with asking if she had to work, did she get to party for real afterward, etc) to a group of girls at the bar next weekend (try cold-reading what their costumes were like angel and devil to imply one is the good one and one is the naughty one in a 2-set etc).

Ideally figure out how to take it sexual, again back to if she was a sexy cop tell her you hope she still has the handcuffs, or talk about your Halloween and anything sexual that happened or was said to you etc but like use it as a default conversation topic if you stall in set and need something to fill time with. It also helps bring her back into the headspace she was in when she WAS all slutted up in Halloween mode because it was recent for her.

And obviously if she didn’t dress up for Halloween tease her about it and then tell her what she should’ve gone as lol


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Also for the next couple weeks a solid routine/conversation topic to drop in sets right off the open is “so what was your halloween costume this year?” You’re basically guaranteed a 5 min interaction off that question and you can use it on any chick from your cute waitress on your work lunch break (follow it up with asking if she had to work, did she get to party for real afterward, etc) to a group of girls at the bar next weekend (try cold-reading what their costumes were like angel and devil to imply one is the good one and one is the naughty one in a 2-set etc).

Ideally figure out how to take it sexual, again back to if she was a sexy cop tell her you hope she still has the handcuffs, or talk about your Halloween and anything sexual that happened or was said to you etc but like use it as a default conversation topic if you stall in set and need something to fill time with. It also helps bring her back into the headspace she was in when she WAS all slutted up in Halloween mode because it was recent for her.

And obviously if she didn’t dress up for Halloween tease her about it and then tell her what she should’ve gone as lol


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@Rollo
I’m in party mode right now (gathering poon for the winter) so I haven’t read this parenting article or Part 1 of it but just wanted to drop a thanks in advance for writing them ’cause I was one of the ones bugging you to, and I think your perspective on this is important because you’re a Red Pill guy pulling off what sounds like a normal family household (VS like Adam Lyons with his weird situation, or Style who has an agenda to sell out and give blue pill advice, or Tyler who I get the impression doesn’t see his kids a ton cause he’s off flying around running his business, etc)

Bookmarked these articles to read later in the year when I have more downtime to get into the right headspace to fully absorb the wisdom in ’em.

Realistically down the road there’s going to come a point where most guys have unplugged from the Matrix and know marriage is a bust, but they’re still going to have that biological urge to have kids and a 2-parent household is best for that (I think the ideal is probably get together with a chick for 10-15 years to raise a kid to the point where he’s old enough to not get all fucked up by his parents splitting), so we’re all going to need as many data reference points as possible of success/failure at trying different shit and raising kids from an RP frame to try to provide answers for those guys.

@Playboy
Cheersing girls to the tragic death of Playboy tonight lol Leads into discussing classy/raunchy porn, then transition into “would you ever pose for Playboy?” which transitions into “how many naked pics of yourself are on your phone right NOW?” etc etc Thanks for the help, Hef! R.I.P. titties.

P.S. watch The Girls Next Door, Hef’s reality series, for a lot of insights into running a pLTR (pay attention to how Holly has special privileges and each girl knows her order in the hierarchy etc)


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@Rollo
I’m in party mode right now (gathering poon for the winter) so I haven’t read this parenting article or Part 1 of it but just wanted to drop a thanks in advance for writing them ’cause I was one of the ones bugging you to, and I think your perspective on this is important because you’re a Red Pill guy pulling off what sounds like a normal family household (VS like Adam Lyons with his weird situation, or Style who has an agenda to sell out and give blue pill advice, or Tyler who I get the impression doesn’t see his kids a ton cause he’s off flying around running his business, etc)

Bookmarked these articles to read later in the year when I have more downtime to get into the right headspace to fully absorb the wisdom in ’em.

Realistically down the road there’s going to come a point where most guys have unplugged from the Matrix and know marriage is a bust, but they’re still going to have that biological urge to have kids and a 2-parent household is best for that (I think the ideal is probably get together with a chick for 10-15 years to raise a kid to the point where he’s old enough to not get all fucked up by his parents splitting), so we’re all going to need as many data reference points as possible of success/failure at trying different shit and raising kids from an RP frame to try to provide answers for those guys.

@Playboy
Cheersing girls to the tragic death of Playboy tonight lol Leads into discussing classy/raunchy porn, then transition into “would you ever pose for Playboy?” which transitions into “how many naked pics of yourself are on your phone right NOW?” etc etc Thanks for the help, Hef! R.I.P. titties.

P.S. watch The Girls Next Door, Hef’s reality series, for a lot of insights into running a pLTR (pay attention to how Holly has special privileges and each girl knows her order in the hierarchy etc)


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@Andy
” I’m actually writing a toast for my father as he’s retiring tomorrow. I am definitely going to stress the appreciation. I kind of resented him for a long time because he was never around and working all the time.”

ALL ABOARD THE GODDAMN FEELS TRAIN:

man I gotta go e-mail my dad


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@Andy
” I’m actually writing a toast for my father as he’s retiring tomorrow. I am definitely going to stress the appreciation. I kind of resented him for a long time because he was never around and working all the time.”

ALL ABOARD THE GODDAMN FEELS TRAIN:

man I gotta go e-mail my dad


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@Rollo
“@YaReally, honestly I’m hoping guys such as yourself or Christian McQueen will take this series to heart and pass on what you’ve learned from the moment your son or daughter exits the womb.”

Not just our own kids, because who knows when/if I’ll reproduce, I could get hit by a train tomorrow. But as a guy with social circles where my friends are hitting the age of having kids, I’m going to be the “cool uncle YaReally” to a number of kids and their fathers respect my opinion on this shit (since some of them MET their girls because of it lol). So pondering the experiences of guys like yourself (and even the guys sharing stories of failed child-rearing from a Red Pill perspective, there’s a lot to learn from the mistakes and failures just as there are from the successes) isn’t just for my own benefit, but ideally I’ll be in a position where I can influence friends kids and my friends themselves, nudging them in the direction of “maybe you shouldn’t let your kid watch that show because it teaches him not to respect you” or “you need to stand up to your wife, your kid needs one of you to take the lead and you knew when we met her that your wife was overly emotional, that’s not a bad thing but your kid needs you to enforce boundaries” etc etc.

They’ll probably give my advice limited credence because I don’t have kids myself, but ANYTHING I can do to help guide them (even linking them to your articles etc if they’re deep enough into Red Pill territory) will help the next generation hopefully not come out all fucked up lol And when I drop by for visits I can ideally take the kid for a walk and drop some red pill truths here and there that’ll be taken more seriously coming from their “cool uncle YaReally” than their “lame parents”.

“I kept coming up with different men’s circumstances and where they find themselves in life as a parent.”

Ideally your articles spark discussion (which they seem to be), which is where we start collecting data points from men who understand the Red Pill perspective of what worked and didn’t work and what obstacles they faced and what results they got as their kids got older, and that’s where the real work comes in. Same way PUAs did it back in the day…the problem is no one is sharing this information or having this dialogue until someone sets a good precedent to open that conversation up. Hopefully your articles do that.

“If you think convincing your wife that you’re more Alpha than you were is tough, it’s an order of magnitude tougher to convince your kids that your transformation is genuine.”

All the more reason we need this discussion started now. Ideally down the road there’s a solid “how to raise a kid properly” Red Pill handbook for guys, whether they’re RP guys who want to settle down or RP guys who had bad luck with a broken condom and have no idea what they’re doing and find the FI-based child-rearing info inadequete.

“So I had to consider a lot of variables and compress it into a post that still weighed in at over 3800 words. I still feel like I could address more considerations too.”

I would view it as something you’ll have to come back to every few years, as the community gathers more and more reference experiences to compare notes. There’s no way you’re going to fully encapsulate it all in these 3 articles, as good as they are, because the topic is just so huge and men are in so many different circumstances.

But hey, it’s the first step to not raising another generation of Michael Ceras. Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that.

“I made a joke at the MiD conference about this, but imagine you’re dating the daughter of Rollo Tomassi? You’ve got a pretty high bar to reach.”


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“@YaReally, honestly I’m hoping guys such as yourself or Christian McQueen will take this series to heart and pass on what you’ve learned from the moment your son or daughter exits the womb.”

Not just our own kids, because who knows when/if I’ll reproduce, I could get hit by a train tomorrow. But as a guy with social circles where my friends are hitting the age of having kids, I’m going to be the “cool uncle YaReally” to a number of kids and their fathers respect my opinion on this shit (since some of them MET their girls because of it lol). So pondering the experiences of guys like yourself (and even the guys sharing stories of failed child-rearing from a Red Pill perspective, there’s a lot to learn from the mistakes and failures just as there are from the successes) isn’t just for my own benefit, but ideally I’ll be in a position where I can influence friends kids and my friends themselves, nudging them in the direction of “maybe you shouldn’t let your kid watch that show because it teaches him not to respect you” or “you need to stand up to your wife, your kid needs one of you to take the lead and you knew when we met her that your wife was overly emotional, that’s not a bad thing but your kid needs you to enforce boundaries” etc etc.

They’ll probably give my advice limited credence because I don’t have kids myself, but ANYTHING I can do to help guide them (even linking them to your articles etc if they’re deep enough into Red Pill territory) will help the next generation hopefully not come out all fucked up lol And when I drop by for visits I can ideally take the kid for a walk and drop some red pill truths here and there that’ll be taken more seriously coming from their “cool uncle YaReally” than their “lame parents”.

“I kept coming up with different men’s circumstances and where they find themselves in life as a parent.”

Ideally your articles spark discussion (which they seem to be), which is where we start collecting data points from men who understand the Red Pill perspective of what worked and didn’t work and what obstacles they faced and what results they got as their kids got older, and that’s where the real work comes in. Same way PUAs did it back in the day…the problem is no one is sharing this information or having this dialogue until someone sets a good precedent to open that conversation up. Hopefully your articles do that.

“If you think convincing your wife that you’re more Alpha than you were is tough, it’s an order of magnitude tougher to convince your kids that your transformation is genuine.”

All the more reason we need this discussion started now. Ideally down the road there’s a solid “how to raise a kid properly” Red Pill handbook for guys, whether they’re RP guys who want to settle down or RP guys who had bad luck with a broken condom and have no idea what they’re doing and find the FI-based child-rearing info inadequete.

“So I had to consider a lot of variables and compress it into a post that still weighed in at over 3800 words. I still feel like I could address more considerations too.”

I would view it as something you’ll have to come back to every few years, as the community gathers more and more reference experiences to compare notes. There’s no way you’re going to fully encapsulate it all in these 3 articles, as good as they are, because the topic is just so huge and men are in so many different circumstances.

But hey, it’s the first step to not raising another generation of Michael Ceras. Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that.

“I made a joke at the MiD conference about this, but imagine you’re dating the daughter of Rollo Tomassi? You’ve got a pretty high bar to reach.”


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@SD
“This is a classic example of why I state game in the PUA form is very flawed.”

You don’t really even know what game in the PUA from IS. And I see you still haven’t educated yourself so here I am again so people know not to take you seriously lol

“You entertained a woman for a brief period of time, but didn’t get a damn thing back from her in return besides a basic social interaction.”

1) He didn’t lead it anywhere, he probably could have but that was his decision not to attempt it.

2) Guys who view social interaction as work, like “that was pointless, you didn’t get a damn thing in return” are like, that’s WHY you have your shitty headspaces and want to bring other guys into your negative shit where you think “how can I get laid without all this annoying “talking to people” shit, I just want to play Warcraft all day and sneak out of the shadows and get a girl and take her back to my lair! This pickup stuff sucks, you have to TALK to human beings, UGHHHH!! How am I supposed to take value from people if I have to actually ENGAGE them and treat them like human beings?? Wahhh!!”

Here you go man, here’s Tyler’s vid on “How to minimize annoying socializing and just get laid (100% fool-proof method)”, he made it just for you:

Like I get that you probably don’t understand that socializing is supposed to be fun in and of itself. A lot of introverts have that mindset esp when they start out in the game. But you’ll find that guys further along with better mindsets read what you wrote and raise an eyebrow because like Blaximus says “Men should talk to women because it’s fun”. Like, you don’t get how fucked up your wiring is.

“She’ll be nice, she’ll humor you, but at the end of the day you and the paint contractor are in the same place where she’s concerned -square uno.”

That was his choice (conscious or subconscious). There’s no reason he couldn’t have pushed that interaction further but he stayed in his comfort zone and rationalized why not to close her. Props for taking some action but like, he could have taken it further lol We all do that kind of thing so it’s not a big deal…like “oh it would be too weird to get her number now so I just won’t do it”. Part of PUA is about breaking those limiting beliefs. There are a lot of silly social norms that can be stomped on by a guy with value and that stomping is attractive to women. But it’s scary, especially in the daytime, so I won’t beat him up for not closing.

“Neither of you banged her.Unless somethings missing from the story, neither of you will be either.”

All that’s missing is a close attempt. Which is what “game in the PUA form” stresses. Always Be Closing that shit. The first thing ANY PUA would have told dwellerman is “why didn’t you go for the number? No that reasoning is dumb, go for the number next time, make shit happen” lol

Paul Janka’s way of putting it is my favorite: “Look past immediate circumstances. Would holding up the line for a second be awkard? Ya, sure. But if you get that number and you two meet up and fuck and you spend the next 6 months in a relationship are either of you going to even REMEMBER the huffy painter chode who was upset that you held the line up for a minute? No. Look past immediate circumstances and think long-term.”

Last half of this clip:

Don’t let other people’s social conditioning dictate your actions, and don’t let the environment hypnotize you:

“Meanwhile she’s filtering thousands of muscular dudes off of Tinder and a few from her social circle for Alpha lays.The nature of the FI driven society means even middling attractive women have absurdly high options”

This part is true. It’s just not relevant if you make an emotional impact on the girl. She’ll date the senior geneticist guys but fuck you. If you’re looking to be her Provider it’s tough going but if you’ve been paying any attention to the Red Pill you aren’t looking to be a Provider in the first place lol

“My breaking point for realizing PUA was garbage is when I gamed a two set last month and the fat girl was dating a senior geneticist.”

Yes, it’s PUA that’s garbage and not that you see yourself as garbage compared to some nerdy senior geneticist because you’re still subscribing to a socially conditioned value system. Guess that what geneticist is scared that she’s going to fuck a celebrity. And the celebrity is scared she’s going to fuck a sports star. It’s all retarded and your buying into it perpetuates it and your insecurity comes through in your subcomms which chicks are hardwired to pick up on so they can weed guys with shitty internals out.

“Why the heck should a woman give a guy off the street the time of day when low SMV women punch that far above their paygrade? And in most cases they don’t.”

They won’t give you the time of day because why would they. Read your post, do you sound like a guy even YOU would want to hang around? You’re this walking ball of negativity lol Like, I’m sure you think you’re hiding it when you’re out talking to girls but you can’t have mindsets like this and not have it come through.

That girl will be sweet as sugar to a guy who knows he has more value than some science nerd. You can tell where a guy is in the game by his view on “those ungrateful bitches at the bar” lol If you’re still viewing them that way, like, all the pickup in the world isn’t going to help you, you have to work on your internal mindsets and stop being a value-taking negative little troll.

“If a woman wants you primally, she’ll go 9/10s the way to make it happen. No game required besides not epically screwing up.”

Yup. And this is a perfect way to fuck a lot of 5s, some decent 6s and the occasional 7-8, with, if you stick at this shotgun blast passive numbers game approach long enough MAYBE a 9 in your lifetime at some point if you haven’t settled down with a nice fat chick (guess how that senior geneticist ended up with that fat chick, he took your strategy of “no game required”, what a lucky guy lol).

“I’ve laid women wearing PJs, so that’s not just some skimmed off BS.”

That’s weird, you just said women have all these opportunities and have no reason to fuck normal guys in PJs when they have all these senior geneticists lined up. It’s almost like you’re just making shit up to inconsistently rationalize your experiences on the fly.

“If she’s not interested….why bother with the A1-A2-A3-DHV LMR bullpucky?”

Because some of us want to fuck hotter girls, and hot girls who have a lot of options won’t be throwing their vag at every dude who says hello and hasn’t demonstrated any value yet. But if you understand how to demonstrate your value and work a set and create enough emotional impact on her, that’s where she goes “actually this guy IS pretty attractive” and now you’re sticking your dick in a girl that most guys would be scared to approach and would tell themselves “that senior genetecist guy deserves her more than me, this PUA shit is STOOOPID” lol


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@SD
“This is a classic example of why I state game in the PUA form is very flawed.”

You don’t really even know what game in the PUA from IS. And I see you still haven’t educated yourself so here I am again so people know not to take you seriously lol

“You entertained a woman for a brief period of time, but didn’t get a damn thing back from her in return besides a basic social interaction.”

1) He didn’t lead it anywhere, he probably could have but that was his decision not to attempt it.

2) Guys who view social interaction as work, like “that was pointless, you didn’t get a damn thing in return” are like, that’s WHY you have your shitty headspaces and want to bring other guys into your negative shit where you think “how can I get laid without all this annoying “talking to people” shit, I just want to play Warcraft all day and sneak out of the shadows and get a girl and take her back to my lair! This pickup stuff sucks, you have to TALK to human beings, UGHHHH!! How am I supposed to take value from people if I have to actually ENGAGE them and treat them like human beings?? Wahhh!!”

Here you go man, here’s Tyler’s vid on “How to minimize annoying socializing and just get laid (100% fool-proof method)”, he made it just for you:

Like I get that you probably don’t understand that socializing is supposed to be fun in and of itself. A lot of introverts have that mindset esp when they start out in the game. But you’ll find that guys further along with better mindsets read what you wrote and raise an eyebrow because like Blaximus says “Men should talk to women because it’s fun”. Like, you don’t get how fucked up your wiring is.

“She’ll be nice, she’ll humor you, but at the end of the day you and the paint contractor are in the same place where she’s concerned -square uno.”

That was his choice (conscious or subconscious). There’s no reason he couldn’t have pushed that interaction further but he stayed in his comfort zone and rationalized why not to close her. Props for taking some action but like, he could have taken it further lol We all do that kind of thing so it’s not a big deal…like “oh it would be too weird to get her number now so I just won’t do it”. Part of PUA is about breaking those limiting beliefs. There are a lot of silly social norms that can be stomped on by a guy with value and that stomping is attractive to women. But it’s scary, especially in the daytime, so I won’t beat him up for not closing.

“Neither of you banged her.Unless somethings missing from the story, neither of you will be either.”

All that’s missing is a close attempt. Which is what “game in the PUA form” stresses. Always Be Closing that shit. The first thing ANY PUA would have told dwellerman is “why didn’t you go for the number? No that reasoning is dumb, go for the number next time, make shit happen” lol

Paul Janka’s way of putting it is my favorite: “Look past immediate circumstances. Would holding up the line for a second be awkard? Ya, sure. But if you get that number and you two meet up and fuck and you spend the next 6 months in a relationship are either of you going to even REMEMBER the huffy painter chode who was upset that you held the line up for a minute? No. Look past immediate circumstances and think long-term.”

Last half of this clip:

Don’t let other people’s social conditioning dictate your actions, and don’t let the environment hypnotize you:

“Meanwhile she’s filtering thousands of muscular dudes off of Tinder and a few from her social circle for Alpha lays.The nature of the FI driven society means even middling attractive women have absurdly high options”

This part is true. It’s just not relevant if you make an emotional impact on the girl. She’ll date the senior geneticist guys but fuck you. If you’re looking to be her Provider it’s tough going but if you’ve been paying any attention to the Red Pill you aren’t looking to be a Provider in the first place lol

“My breaking point for realizing PUA was garbage is when I gamed a two set last month and the fat girl was dating a senior geneticist.”

Yes, it’s PUA that’s garbage and not that you see yourself as garbage compared to some nerdy senior geneticist because you’re still subscribing to a socially conditioned value system. Guess that what geneticist is scared that she’s going to fuck a celebrity. And the celebrity is scared she’s going to fuck a sports star. It’s all retarded and your buying into it perpetuates it and your insecurity comes through in your subcomms which chicks are hardwired to pick up on so they can weed guys with shitty internals out.

“Why the heck should a woman give a guy off the street the time of day when low SMV women punch that far above their paygrade? And in most cases they don’t.”

They won’t give you the time of day because why would they. Read your post, do you sound like a guy even YOU would want to hang around? You’re this walking ball of negativity lol Like, I’m sure you think you’re hiding it when you’re out talking to girls but you can’t have mindsets like this and not have it come through.

That girl will be sweet as sugar to a guy who knows he has more value than some science nerd. You can tell where a guy is in the game by his view on “those ungrateful bitches at the bar” lol If you’re still viewing them that way, like, all the pickup in the world isn’t going to help you, you have to work on your internal mindsets and stop being a value-taking negative little troll.

“If a woman wants you primally, she’ll go 9/10s the way to make it happen. No game required besides not epically screwing up.”

Yup. And this is a perfect way to fuck a lot of 5s, some decent 6s and the occasional 7-8, with, if you stick at this shotgun blast passive numbers game approach long enough MAYBE a 9 in your lifetime at some point if you haven’t settled down with a nice fat chick (guess how that senior geneticist ended up with that fat chick, he took your strategy of “no game required”, what a lucky guy lol).

“I’ve laid women wearing PJs, so that’s not just some skimmed off BS.”

That’s weird, you just said women have all these opportunities and have no reason to fuck normal guys in PJs when they have all these senior geneticists lined up. It’s almost like you’re just making shit up to inconsistently rationalize your experiences on the fly.

“If she’s not interested….why bother with the A1-A2-A3-DHV LMR bullpucky?”

Because some of us want to fuck hotter girls, and hot girls who have a lot of options won’t be throwing their vag at every dude who says hello and hasn’t demonstrated any value yet. But if you understand how to demonstrate your value and work a set and create enough emotional impact on her, that’s where she goes “actually this guy IS pretty attractive” and now you’re sticking your dick in a girl that most guys would be scared to approach and would tell themselves “that senior genetecist guy deserves her more than me, this PUA shit is STOOOPID” lol


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@SD
“You cannot negotiate attraction, not even using game. Either she finds you hawt, or she doesn’t.”

lol this isn’t how it works at all. Women are attracted to high-value, high-value is demonstrated. This is biological wiring. If all they responded to were “hawt lookz” then nobody who isn’t in the top 1% of looks would be getting laid and shit like the Forever Alone club on the MISC bodybuilding forums wouldn’t exist.

You’re just spouting social conditioned nonsense. The reason it actually DOES play out this way for you is because girls can pick up on how shitty your mindsets are.

“PUA is about selling the lie that you can speak magic incantations and every woman will want you”

lol

“He could have sorted out how much she liled him by just saying hello and making lively small talk. DHVing , qualifying, etc….overcomplicates the plot.”

…wait, so you want him to make an effort, but just don’t make a certain TYPE of effort. That’s like saying “look, if this person wanted to buy a car you shouldn’t have to show it to them, THAT’S not cool, you should just say you have a good car and if she wants to buy a car she’ll buy whatever shitty car you’re handing her. Why would you bother polishing it or tuning it up or parking it out on the lot where she can see it, QUIT TRYING SO HARD BRO YOU’RE OVERCOMPLICATING IT”

“If she likes you and youre behaving like a masculine man”

Oh, you mean like demonstrating high value and qualifying her which are things high-value masculine men do?

“If not, why bother with the A1-DHV-Build Rapport,escalate crap hard shit test!, freeze out, build kino, extract to secondary location ($20 cover please) , escalate, LMR, cycle.”

lol again if you just want to fuck fatties like that genetic scientist dude you’re popping wood over (and like that other guy said that’s not even an alpha job, I’ve partied with doctors and lawyers and shit most of them are chodes, the super alpha doctor badass you saw in Nip Tuck is a cartoon stereotype that’s unbelievably rare in real life).

Also the secondary location can just be another area of the bar you’re in, or a convenience store, late night McDonalds, a fucking library lol, it doesn’t matter, you don’t have to spend any money if you don’t want to. LMR is a natural thing that happens, any guy who gets laid regularly knows it. You have to escalate because girls generally don’t escalate unless they’re severely under your SMV and you’re fucking an uggo.

You want guys to do all that stuff but just not do it consciously. Same as feminists and anti-game chicks. “Just be a masculine man and do all these things that every Natural who gets laid does, but don’t THINK about it! It’s impure if you think about it!!!” Like, you probably don’t even get how silly what you’re saying is.

“All of that effort to get an uninspiring lay because she only saw you as “relationship material” .We all know what THAT means.”

lol is that where this bitter angst comes from? Is that what you kept running into?

I don’t care if you hate life, but I’ll speak up so other guys know to ignore your shit. Unless they want to be like you, I mean, in that case go for it lol

“Meanwhile the guy she actually does like literally just says hello and drags her upstairs with barely token resistance.”

Totally how it happens. I watched a bunch of this real-life footage in those highly accurate American Pie documentaries.

“Game should be used in my view to filter attracted women from unattracted ones”

You don’t need “Game” for that. You just walk up to every girl and ask “hey, want to fuck me?” Anything else is pointless social interaction and “overcomplicating the plot” according to your own logic, which isn’t consistent, because it’s based on emotional bitter feels instead of detached real-world observation.

“marriage is an economically permanent condition for most guys and they have to make do with where they are. This is where game should focus, IMO; there’s gonna be a lot of dudes who get burned after getting married, and we shouldn’t ignore them for it. Wed be just as married -yes I’m talking to you fellow bachelors-had we met the wrong woman with a slick enough bait and switch game.”

Or we could teach them not to get married and give them the skills to play the field competently and qualify girls to screen them for long-term quality attributes so that if they DO decide to marry they aren’t a lead geneticist marrying some fat 2/10 that made moves on them because he listened to your advice.

“Using game in the PUA context however is like a fat girl wearing yoga pants to a red carpet premiere hoping Brad Pitt is gonna tap that.”

lol as long as you’re happy with your sex life, keep doing your thing. For the guys who aren’t happy with theirs, they should probably skip over your advice and check out some better resources. I recommend starting here:


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on October 18th, 2015 at 11:29 am
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@SD
“You cannot negotiate attraction, not even using game. Either she finds you hawt, or she doesn’t.”

lol this isn’t how it works at all. Women are attracted to high-value, high-value is demonstrated. This is biological wiring. If all they responded to were “hawt lookz” then nobody who isn’t in the top 1% of looks would be getting laid and shit like the Forever Alone club on the MISC bodybuilding forums wouldn’t exist.

You’re just spouting social conditioned nonsense. The reason it actually DOES play out this way for you is because girls can pick up on how shitty your mindsets are.

“PUA is about selling the lie that you can speak magic incantations and every woman will want you”

lol

“He could have sorted out how much she liled him by just saying hello and making lively small talk. DHVing , qualifying, etc….overcomplicates the plot.”

…wait, so you want him to make an effort, but just don’t make a certain TYPE of effort. That’s like saying “look, if this person wanted to buy a car you shouldn’t have to show it to them, THAT’S not cool, you should just say you have a good car and if she wants to buy a car she’ll buy whatever shitty car you’re handing her. Why would you bother polishing it or tuning it up or parking it out on the lot where she can see it, QUIT TRYING SO HARD BRO YOU’RE OVERCOMPLICATING IT”

“If she likes you and youre behaving like a masculine man”

Oh, you mean like demonstrating high value and qualifying her which are things high-value masculine men do?

“If not, why bother with the A1-DHV-Build Rapport,escalate crap hard shit test!, freeze out, build kino, extract to secondary location ($20 cover please) , escalate, LMR, cycle.”

lol again if you just want to fuck fatties like that genetic scientist dude you’re popping wood over (and like that other guy said that’s not even an alpha job, I’ve partied with doctors and lawyers and shit most of them are chodes, the super alpha doctor badass you saw in Nip Tuck is a cartoon stereotype that’s unbelievably rare in real life).

Also the secondary location can just be another area of the bar you’re in, or a convenience store, late night McDonalds, a fucking library lol, it doesn’t matter, you don’t have to spend any money if you don’t want to. LMR is a natural thing that happens, any guy who gets laid regularly knows it. You have to escalate because girls generally don’t escalate unless they’re severely under your SMV and you’re fucking an uggo.

You want guys to do all that stuff but just not do it consciously. Same as feminists and anti-game chicks. “Just be a masculine man and do all these things that every Natural who gets laid does, but don’t THINK about it! It’s impure if you think about it!!!” Like, you probably don’t even get how silly what you’re saying is.

“All of that effort to get an uninspiring lay because she only saw you as “relationship material” .We all know what THAT means.”

lol is that where this bitter angst comes from? Is that what you kept running into?

I don’t care if you hate life, but I’ll speak up so other guys know to ignore your shit. Unless they want to be like you, I mean, in that case go for it lol

“Meanwhile the guy she actually does like literally just says hello and drags her upstairs with barely token resistance.”

Totally how it happens. I watched a bunch of this real-life footage in those highly accurate American Pie documentaries.

“Game should be used in my view to filter attracted women from unattracted ones”

You don’t need “Game” for that. You just walk up to every girl and ask “hey, want to fuck me?” Anything else is pointless social interaction and “overcomplicating the plot” according to your own logic, which isn’t consistent, because it’s based on emotional bitter feels instead of detached real-world observation.

“marriage is an economically permanent condition for most guys and they have to make do with where they are. This is where game should focus, IMO; there’s gonna be a lot of dudes who get burned after getting married, and we shouldn’t ignore them for it. Wed be just as married -yes I’m talking to you fellow bachelors-had we met the wrong woman with a slick enough bait and switch game.”

Or we could teach them not to get married and give them the skills to play the field competently and qualify girls to screen them for long-term quality attributes so that if they DO decide to marry they aren’t a lead geneticist marrying some fat 2/10 that made moves on them because he listened to your advice.

“Using game in the PUA context however is like a fat girl wearing yoga pants to a red carpet premiere hoping Brad Pitt is gonna tap that.”

lol as long as you’re happy with your sex life, keep doing your thing. For the guys who aren’t happy with theirs, they should probably skip over your advice and check out some better resources. I recommend starting here:


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on October 18th, 2015 at 11:51 am
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@CaveClown
“Now you would think that any sensible woman (especially a potential mother to your children) would excuse herself and run away. But her boring pedestrian life has now become exciting. She’s in a movie.”

Oh man, all you guys are freakin’ awesome. Seriously.

And then I speak and I think too much and get too rational and logical.

Like I’m talking to a man and not a chick.”

Hope those help. It’s a common sticking point, most of us guys are logical and used to communicating with other logical men. So when we go interact with women we worry about “but it doesn’t make sense if I say this after I said that!” Girls don’t care. Listen to girls yapping to eachother and they just bounce around subject to subject chasing emotions and feels.

If you and I were talking and in the middle of talking about our careers I just blurted out “I wonder if I should get a puppy, do you think I should get one?” You’d be like “uhh wtf? Where did that come from? Why are we talking about puppies now?” But girls will just feel the emotions and go “omg TOTALLY!! I saw this one that was so cute!!” They live in the present, moment to moment, while guys live more in the past (how was the interaction going a minute ago) and future (how will the interaction go?) and we have trouble getting into the moment and just enjoying the interaction in the moment.

Like take bars. Bars are designed to help get people into the present. You shut off your brain with alcohol so you stop dwelling on work problems from the week or future problems you have to think about, they blast loud music so girls can scream “EEEEEEE!!!!!” and run out to the dancefloor to shake their ass and forget they can’t pay their rent. Hot girls run around and keep your mind off your problems. Lights, smoke, shots, music, it’s all designed to help get you outside of your head because that’s when you’re going to have fun escaping from real life and you’ll come back next week for more of that.

Most guys’ problem with pickup is that their logical brain can’t get out of its own way lol And they’re socially conditioned to believe that women are just “men with tits” lol So don’t feel bad, you’ll get used to it with more field experience.


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YaReally
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@CaveClown
“Now you would think that any sensible woman (especially a potential mother to your children) would excuse herself and run away. But her boring pedestrian life has now become exciting. She’s in a movie.”

Oh man, all you guys are freakin’ awesome. Seriously.

And then I speak and I think too much and get too rational and logical.

Like I’m talking to a man and not a chick.”

Hope those help. It’s a common sticking point, most of us guys are logical and used to communicating with other logical men. So when we go interact with women we worry about “but it doesn’t make sense if I say this after I said that!” Girls don’t care. Listen to girls yapping to eachother and they just bounce around subject to subject chasing emotions and feels.

If you and I were talking and in the middle of talking about our careers I just blurted out “I wonder if I should get a puppy, do you think I should get one?” You’d be like “uhh wtf? Where did that come from? Why are we talking about puppies now?” But girls will just feel the emotions and go “omg TOTALLY!! I saw this one that was so cute!!” They live in the present, moment to moment, while guys live more in the past (how was the interaction going a minute ago) and future (how will the interaction go?) and we have trouble getting into the moment and just enjoying the interaction in the moment.

Like take bars. Bars are designed to help get people into the present. You shut off your brain with alcohol so you stop dwelling on work problems from the week or future problems you have to think about, they blast loud music so girls can scream “EEEEEEE!!!!!” and run out to the dancefloor to shake their ass and forget they can’t pay their rent. Hot girls run around and keep your mind off your problems. Lights, smoke, shots, music, it’s all designed to help get you outside of your head because that’s when you’re going to have fun escaping from real life and you’ll come back next week for more of that.

Most guys’ problem with pickup is that their logical brain can’t get out of its own way lol And they’re socially conditioned to believe that women are just “men with tits” lol So don’t feel bad, you’ll get used to it with more field experience.


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@hoellenhund2
“Are you saying it should be interesting, or that it is, by nature, always fun and interesting?”

If it’s not fun and interesting, usually that means the guy isn’t pushing himself and is spending the interaction trying to think of stuff to talk about that’s interesting to the girl or looking to just leech value from their interactions.

Like Julien says “half the time I don’t even NEED the girl to be there for me to be having fun, she can just silently stand there and I’m having a blast because I’m making myself laugh by expressing myself and saying shit that *I* think is funny, I don’t care if SHE thinks it’s funny. I could be talking to a wall and be having a blast because I’m not seeking value from other people…I generate my own fun. Every night out I have a great night because I’m entertaining myself.”

When a guy finds everyone around him boring and uninteresting, it’s usually a sign that he himself is boring and uninteresting, because other people are mirroring what he’s bringing to the table. But it’s a LOT easier for guys to piss and moan about how stupid and boring and dumb girls are instead of lightening up and learning to have fun lol

Another way to look at it is that when you’re out interacting, if you WEREN’T ALLOWED to fuck the girl, like for whatever reason you can’t leave, you’re stuck in that room like it’s detention, and you’re not allowed to fuck the girls or even get their phone numbers, you CANNOT get laid from the interactions you’re going to have over the next 2 hours until the door to the room is unlocked and you can leave…AND, all the girls are fat lol you should STILL be able to have fun in that environment. If you CAN’T have fun in that environment, you’re seeking to take value from other people and not finding joy in the process itself, you’re outcome dependent and probably get frustrated viewing pickup and socializing as “work” instead of “fun”.

Most of us started out that way, so it’s not a big deal. But ideally the goal should be to be able to have fun in that room full of fatties. That’s when you’re truly outcome independent and the girls and sex becomes a bonus instead of a “WELL I PUT IN 38.7% EFFORT AND SHE’S ONLY CONTRIBUTED 21.2% EFFORT THIS ISN’T WORTH IT!!! PUA SUCKS!!! I’M GOING TO SPEND 20 MIN WRITING A POST COMPLAINING ON A MESSAGE BOARD BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE AREN’T AS FUN AS I THINK I AM!!” lol


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@hoellenhund2
“Are you saying it should be interesting, or that it is, by nature, always fun and interesting?”

If it’s not fun and interesting, usually that means the guy isn’t pushing himself and is spending the interaction trying to think of stuff to talk about that’s interesting to the girl or looking to just leech value from their interactions.

Like Julien says “half the time I don’t even NEED the girl to be there for me to be having fun, she can just silently stand there and I’m having a blast because I’m making myself laugh by expressing myself and saying shit that *I* think is funny, I don’t care if SHE thinks it’s funny. I could be talking to a wall and be having a blast because I’m not seeking value from other people…I generate my own fun. Every night out I have a great night because I’m entertaining myself.”

When a guy finds everyone around him boring and uninteresting, it’s usually a sign that he himself is boring and uninteresting, because other people are mirroring what he’s bringing to the table. But it’s a LOT easier for guys to piss and moan about how stupid and boring and dumb girls are instead of lightening up and learning to have fun lol

Another way to look at it is that when you’re out interacting, if you WEREN’T ALLOWED to fuck the girl, like for whatever reason you can’t leave, you’re stuck in that room like it’s detention, and you’re not allowed to fuck the girls or even get their phone numbers, you CANNOT get laid from the interactions you’re going to have over the next 2 hours until the door to the room is unlocked and you can leave…AND, all the girls are fat lol you should STILL be able to have fun in that environment. If you CAN’T have fun in that environment, you’re seeking to take value from other people and not finding joy in the process itself, you’re outcome dependent and probably get frustrated viewing pickup and socializing as “work” instead of “fun”.

Most of us started out that way, so it’s not a big deal. But ideally the goal should be to be able to have fun in that room full of fatties. That’s when you’re truly outcome independent and the girls and sex becomes a bonus instead of a “WELL I PUT IN 38.7% EFFORT AND SHE’S ONLY CONTRIBUTED 21.2% EFFORT THIS ISN’T WORTH IT!!! PUA SUCKS!!! I’M GOING TO SPEND 20 MIN WRITING A POST COMPLAINING ON A MESSAGE BOARD BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE AREN’T AS FUN AS I THINK I AM!!” lol


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“Where’s the stats?”

In the field.

“Where’s the approaches vs lays comparison?”

In the heads of guys who view social interactions as work.

“Heck, where’s the women? All I see are videos of guys blathering about social dynamics. Where’s the payoff?”

“Yet the notion any out of shape scrub dudes with routines can just close an HB10 in the modern, FI society IS bull.”

Well you certainly seem like the expert lol

“If you look hawt, you don’t need hokey games , props, or peacocking.”

Ok, explain the Forever Alone crew on the MISC bodybuilding forums. Or the ripped guys going home alone at the clubs every weekend. You won’t explain that stuff of course, because it doesn’t fit your socially conditioned narrative lol

“My notch count didn’t improve much, although I got real good at making girls give me phone numbers . It might have to do with my hideous haircut, starving Ethiopian build and minus zero sense of style.”

Probably, you should get jacked tall and ripped and white and wear a suit like these guys:

“I had a soft harem going , but it was with women behind my engaged and married friends’ backs.”

You sound like a stellar example to follow lol

“Somehow the PUA gurus neglected to mention why it was women did that with utter contempt for their husbands, or how military men could come home from war to an empty house and an emptier bank account”

They were busy explaining why you shouldn’t shit where you eat and should have enough abundance to not have to fuck your friends’ wives and fiances. Now we have Rollo to explain the rest. :)

“I couldn’t figure out how real life Alpha males willingly surrendered their player ways to specific women, only to be shafted horribly via divorce or branch swinging.”

There is tons of information on that out there these days. You may have been looking for answers from pickup that pickup wasn’t looking to explain. It’s not a math book’s fault that it doesn’t explain Shakespeare. And again now we have Rollo for that.

“and it took me getting in shape mentally and physically to develop success with women.”

That’s why I stress approaching it INTELLIGENTLY and writing Field Reports and analyzing. You can “just go out” every night for a year and still not get laid if you’re just banging your head against a wall and not trying to fix your sticking points lol

“When I dropped the routines and picked up honest Masculinity and some weights, that’s when the notch metric went hockey stick for me.”

The funny part is if I told you to describe “Masculinity”, you would just describe the stuff PUA teaches. But because you’ve got such bitter angst about PUA, you view it as different.

“Seeking honest answers to the moral dilemmas and motivations behind women , I discovered the manosphere and this blog.”

I think everyone learning PUA should read Rollo’s blog personally. It’s an amazing resource.

“BTW – this is Rollo Tomassis blog. Remember that before saying things like “so people know not to listen to you.””

I don’t see what this being Rollo’s blog has to do with you spouting shit that’s wrong and retarded. Guys should listen to Rollo, he’s smart as balls. I’m telling them not to listen to your shit lol

“For all I and anyone else knows your personal N count could be <10."

My N-count of my friends wives and fiances is 0.

But hey, I encourage everyone to NOT trust me. Don't give me ANY credibility. Go out and try it yourself, all the stats and evidence you want is out there in-field. If you're struggling solo, work with others or get someone with more experience to help you out.

I'd way rather guys don't read ANY of this and just go out and work on their game instead lol It's Sunday night, there's an Industry Night venue somewhere, hit it up and open some hot nightlife industry chicks for an hour and try to pull and if you don't then go home and get a good night's sleep for work. Either way write a Field Report and analyze it and/or get guys with more experience to analyze it. Don't listen to me, I'm just some neckbeard virgin lol


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“Where’s the stats?”

In the field.

“Where’s the approaches vs lays comparison?”

In the heads of guys who view social interactions as work.

“Heck, where’s the women? All I see are videos of guys blathering about social dynamics. Where’s the payoff?”

“Yet the notion any out of shape scrub dudes with routines can just close an HB10 in the modern, FI society IS bull.”

Well you certainly seem like the expert lol

“If you look hawt, you don’t need hokey games , props, or peacocking.”

Ok, explain the Forever Alone crew on the MISC bodybuilding forums. Or the ripped guys going home alone at the clubs every weekend. You won’t explain that stuff of course, because it doesn’t fit your socially conditioned narrative lol

“My notch count didn’t improve much, although I got real good at making girls give me phone numbers . It might have to do with my hideous haircut, starving Ethiopian build and minus zero sense of style.”

Probably, you should get jacked tall and ripped and white and wear a suit like these guys:

“I had a soft harem going , but it was with women behind my engaged and married friends’ backs.”

You sound like a stellar example to follow lol

“Somehow the PUA gurus neglected to mention why it was women did that with utter contempt for their husbands, or how military men could come home from war to an empty house and an emptier bank account”

They were busy explaining why you shouldn’t shit where you eat and should have enough abundance to not have to fuck your friends’ wives and fiances. Now we have Rollo to explain the rest. πŸ™‚

“I couldn’t figure out how real life Alpha males willingly surrendered their player ways to specific women, only to be shafted horribly via divorce or branch swinging.”

There is tons of information on that out there these days. You may have been looking for answers from pickup that pickup wasn’t looking to explain. It’s not a math book’s fault that it doesn’t explain Shakespeare. And again now we have Rollo for that.

“and it took me getting in shape mentally and physically to develop success with women.”

That’s why I stress approaching it INTELLIGENTLY and writing Field Reports and analyzing. You can “just go out” every night for a year and still not get laid if you’re just banging your head against a wall and not trying to fix your sticking points lol

“When I dropped the routines and picked up honest Masculinity and some weights, that’s when the notch metric went hockey stick for me.”

The funny part is if I told you to describe “Masculinity”, you would just describe the stuff PUA teaches. But because you’ve got such bitter angst about PUA, you view it as different.

“Seeking honest answers to the moral dilemmas and motivations behind women , I discovered the manosphere and this blog.”

I think everyone learning PUA should read Rollo’s blog personally. It’s an amazing resource.

“BTW – this is Rollo Tomassis blog. Remember that before saying things like “so people know not to listen to you.””

I don’t see what this being Rollo’s blog has to do with you spouting shit that’s wrong and retarded. Guys should listen to Rollo, he’s smart as balls. I’m telling them not to listen to your shit lol

“For all I and anyone else knows your personal N count could be <10."

My N-count of my friends wives and fiances is 0.

But hey, I encourage everyone to NOT trust me. Don't give me ANY credibility. Go out and try it yourself, all the stats and evidence you want is out there in-field. If you're struggling solo, work with others or get someone with more experience to help you out.

I'd way rather guys don't read ANY of this and just go out and work on their game instead lol It's Sunday night, there's an Industry Night venue somewhere, hit it up and open some hot nightlife industry chicks for an hour and try to pull and if you don't then go home and get a good night's sleep for work. Either way write a Field Report and analyze it and/or get guys with more experience to analyze it. Don't listen to me, I'm just some neckbeard virgin lol


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@SD

Put it this way: If you’ve been doing this stuff since 2004, and after *10 YEARS* of going out and talking to girls you still have fucked up negative mindsets like this and still view social interactions as “well what do *I* get out of interacting with other human beings?? You TALKED to that girl?? What a WASTE OF TIME if she didn’t SUCK YOUR DICK!! Why would you even TALK TO HER!! UGH!!!”, then it’s you that fucked up, not what PUA teaches, because there are guys on this very blog who’ve been learning game for a lot less than 10 years who can attribute improvements in their lives from the work they’ve put in learning game.


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@SD

Put it this way: If you’ve been doing this stuff since 2004, and after *10 YEARS* of going out and talking to girls you still have fucked up negative mindsets like this and still view social interactions as “well what do *I* get out of interacting with other human beings?? You TALKED to that girl?? What a WASTE OF TIME if she didn’t SUCK YOUR DICK!! Why would you even TALK TO HER!! UGH!!!”, then it’s you that fucked up, not what PUA teaches, because there are guys on this very blog who’ve been learning game for a lot less than 10 years who can attribute improvements in their lives from the work they’ve put in learning game.


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@SD
Thank-you for proving you aren’t actually watching any of the videos I’m linking because you don’t actually want your world view shattered. You’re like a rabid dog I can just dangle a stick in front of and you’ll bite at it lol If you actually watched the video it’s Tyler making fun of the idea that there’s a 100% foolproof method.

This’ll be my last reply to you for today because you’re clearly trolling, but thanks for the opportunity to link some useful vids for the lurkers and regulars who’ll get value out of them! :) <3


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@SD
Thank-you for proving you aren’t actually watching any of the videos I’m linking because you don’t actually want your world view shattered. You’re like a rabid dog I can just dangle a stick in front of and you’ll bite at it lol If you actually watched the video it’s Tyler making fun of the idea that there’s a 100% foolproof method.

This’ll be my last reply to you for today because you’re clearly trolling, but thanks for the opportunity to link some useful vids for the lurkers and regulars who’ll get value out of them! πŸ™‚β€


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@SD @hoellenhund2

Put it this way: If you met me in person, you would come on here saying “YaReally is boring and uninteresting.” I’m not, but you would think I am, because when you come at me in a social interaction with the vibe you give off here I wouldn’t be bringing anything to the table for you because I would be looking for a way out of the conversation ASAP.

This is why I say you can’t even tell how fucked up your mindsets are. Like you don’t realize how little you ACTUALLY bring to the table to people who aren’t in that same weird negative headspace as you.

It’s not that every girl is a fascinating genius. It’s that you shouldn’t be looking for women to provide you with deep intellectual conversations anymore than I look for a dog to do my taxes. Women are good for fun feminine energy, bubbly happy emotions, and sex. If you want intellectual conversations, hang out with your male friends. Society conditioned you to expect women to bring to the table what men bring to the table in a 50/50 “women are the same as men, but with tits” equation but that’s not reality. Like do you understand that your expectation of women to provide the equivalent of what a man provides is a result of that whole feminist notion?

You’ve been conditioned to believe that a dog can do your taxes, so when you walk around a kennel handing your tax papers to dogs and they bite the papers and pee on them, you’re like “STOOPID DOGS U NO LIVE UP 2 MY EXPECTATIONS WUT GUD R U???” Well, they’re fantastic at doing things dogs are capable of doing…you’ve just got the wrong impression of what you can expect from them.

When you interact with your 5yo neice, do you think “THIS STOOPID CUNT ISNT PROVIDING THE SAME VALUE I AM!!! INTERACTING WITH HER IS A WASTE OF MY TIME!! PLAY HOUSE? YA RIGHT BITCH NICE TRY SUCKING ME INTO YOUR FEMININE IMPERITIVE AS YOUR SLAVEBOY DANCING MONKEY FUCK THIS TEA TIME BULLSHIT!!!”? No (I mean, you MIGHT lol), because you have a realistic expectation of what your 5yo neice can bring to the table and you don’t EXPECT her to bring much more than being a silly little girl. Do you view playing with your 5yo neice as an unbalanced value exchange and resent her and feel like a dancing monkey when you tickle-fight her? Not unless you’re fucked in the head.

“You interacted with a woman and it wasn’t fun and interesting for you? It’s your fault, you shithead, never hers. She’s perfect. Ageing women are complaining that they aren’t getting proposed by attractive men? It’s men’s fault, of course, because they aren’t displaying proper masculinity. The economy is stagnating, the population is imploding, all sorts of deviant behaviors are spreading everywhere? Men’s fault. Porn addiction is supposedly a big social problem? Men’s fault. Female college students regret the sex acts they took part in? Men’s fault. Dead bedrooms? Men’s fault. Megachurches excusing female immorality? Men’s fault.”

Problems aren’t all men’s fault, but a lot of them can be fixed or prevented by men’s actions and by men having a realstic understanding of female psychology.

Deadbedrooms are generally the result of the guy letting himself go or not understanding Hypergamy. That’s why stuff like MMSL or dread game Red Pill shit can often start fixing up those Deadbedrooms…the woman hasn’t changed, the man has changed his understanding of his wife/GF and has changed his actions as a result. If you want to interpret that in a negative “YAREALLY SAYS DEADBEDROOMS ARE MENS FAULT” way, you can, but it’s just logic.

Regret rape is generally the result of the guy not understanding game and learning to avoid, prevent or diffuse Buyer’s Remorse. If you understand how a girl’s ASD and Buyer’s Remorse works, and read the PUA literature on how to avoid/diffuse them and make her feel like a special snowflake, she doesn’t feel slutty about what happened and doesn’t regret the night and pull out the “I have bad feels about that night so he raped me” card. Again you can interpret that as “YAREALLY SAYS REGRET RAPE IS MEN’S FAULT HE’S ANTI-MEN HE MUST BE SOME FEMINIST PUAS ARE ALL FEMINIST WHITE KNIGHTS!!!!”, but the reality is show me a guy who gets a regret rape accusation and I’ll show you a guy who didn’t properly diffuse Buyer’s Remorse.

No idea on the other shit lol you threw a lot of wild strawman around there.


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@SD @hoellenhund2

Put it this way: If you met me in person, you would come on here saying “YaReally is boring and uninteresting.” I’m not, but you would think I am, because when you come at me in a social interaction with the vibe you give off here I wouldn’t be bringing anything to the table for you because I would be looking for a way out of the conversation ASAP.

This is why I say you can’t even tell how fucked up your mindsets are. Like you don’t realize how little you ACTUALLY bring to the table to people who aren’t in that same weird negative headspace as you.

It’s not that every girl is a fascinating genius. It’s that you shouldn’t be looking for women to provide you with deep intellectual conversations anymore than I look for a dog to do my taxes. Women are good for fun feminine energy, bubbly happy emotions, and sex. If you want intellectual conversations, hang out with your male friends. Society conditioned you to expect women to bring to the table what men bring to the table in a 50/50 “women are the same as men, but with tits” equation but that’s not reality. Like do you understand that your expectation of women to provide the equivalent of what a man provides is a result of that whole feminist notion?

You’ve been conditioned to believe that a dog can do your taxes, so when you walk around a kennel handing your tax papers to dogs and they bite the papers and pee on them, you’re like “STOOPID DOGS U NO LIVE UP 2 MY EXPECTATIONS WUT GUD R U???” Well, they’re fantastic at doing things dogs are capable of doing…you’ve just got the wrong impression of what you can expect from them.

When you interact with your 5yo neice, do you think “THIS STOOPID CUNT ISNT PROVIDING THE SAME VALUE I AM!!! INTERACTING WITH HER IS A WASTE OF MY TIME!! PLAY HOUSE? YA RIGHT BITCH NICE TRY SUCKING ME INTO YOUR FEMININE IMPERITIVE AS YOUR SLAVEBOY DANCING MONKEY FUCK THIS TEA TIME BULLSHIT!!!”? No (I mean, you MIGHT lol), because you have a realistic expectation of what your 5yo neice can bring to the table and you don’t EXPECT her to bring much more than being a silly little girl. Do you view playing with your 5yo neice as an unbalanced value exchange and resent her and feel like a dancing monkey when you tickle-fight her? Not unless you’re fucked in the head.

“You interacted with a woman and it wasn’t fun and interesting for you? It’s your fault, you shithead, never hers. She’s perfect. Ageing women are complaining that they aren’t getting proposed by attractive men? It’s men’s fault, of course, because they aren’t displaying proper masculinity. The economy is stagnating, the population is imploding, all sorts of deviant behaviors are spreading everywhere? Men’s fault. Porn addiction is supposedly a big social problem? Men’s fault. Female college students regret the sex acts they took part in? Men’s fault. Dead bedrooms? Men’s fault. Megachurches excusing female immorality? Men’s fault.”

Problems aren’t all men’s fault, but a lot of them can be fixed or prevented by men’s actions and by men having a realstic understanding of female psychology.

Deadbedrooms are generally the result of the guy letting himself go or not understanding Hypergamy. That’s why stuff like MMSL or dread game Red Pill shit can often start fixing up those Deadbedrooms…the woman hasn’t changed, the man has changed his understanding of his wife/GF and has changed his actions as a result. If you want to interpret that in a negative “YAREALLY SAYS DEADBEDROOMS ARE MENS FAULT” way, you can, but it’s just logic.

Regret rape is generally the result of the guy not understanding game and learning to avoid, prevent or diffuse Buyer’s Remorse. If you understand how a girl’s ASD and Buyer’s Remorse works, and read the PUA literature on how to avoid/diffuse them and make her feel like a special snowflake, she doesn’t feel slutty about what happened and doesn’t regret the night and pull out the “I have bad feels about that night so he raped me” card. Again you can interpret that as “YAREALLY SAYS REGRET RAPE IS MEN’S FAULT HE’S ANTI-MEN HE MUST BE SOME FEMINIST PUAS ARE ALL FEMINIST WHITE KNIGHTS!!!!”, but the reality is show me a guy who gets a regret rape accusation and I’ll show you a guy who didn’t properly diffuse Buyer’s Remorse.

No idea on the other shit lol you threw a lot of wild strawman around there.


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“men who are productive and important – but not apex-dominant – will only continue helping society if they receive some degree of respect and honor from apex-dominant men”

FWIW I make an effort to let those guys know I appreciate the shit they do (I’ve hung in blue collar, nerd, etc social circles). And I’ve hung in crowds who look down on blue-collar guys or nerds etc and it’s like do you guys even understand how much you sitting in this bar with your overpriced drink checking your texts on your smartphone is only happening because of the work those guys thanklessly do that no one gives a shit about?

The day those guys all go MGTOW or swallow enough Red Pill to just work to support themselves and reject society’s requests for their skills is the day society starts a downward spiral into a nightmare lol

“put of a facade of (relative) chastity, claim to be aroused by BB, screw the hot guy who ‘just gets it’ on the side, lie with a poker face about it. I don’t even really have a problem with that in a way – if it were just not lied about.”

Here’s the thing. And this is hard for guys to grasp especially with the hostile “YAREALLY SAYS EVERYTHING IS MEN’S FAULT” thing going on in this thread. Them lying actually…IS men’s fault. lol Drop in on a pre/post bar conversation between super close girlfriends and you’ll often hear the most blatantly sexual red pill honest shit in your life. With their BFFs they don’t say “oh I’m just going to dinner with this guy I met, I’m sure nothing will happen”, they’re saying “I need to get fucked, my hubby just doesn’t do it” “I know babe don’t worry about it getting a sugar daddy on the side was the best thing I ever did for my marriage you go grrrl”. Like, they’ll often drop the whole “lying about it” thing with their super close girlfriends.

So how is their covert lying men’s fault? Well if we accept that to their BFFs they’ll be blatantly red pill honest, then we have to accept that they’re not INCAPABLE of being honest, it’s just that with their BFF cirumstances are such that they’re more likely to be honest than they are with other people or men. So what’s the difference between their BFF and a guy they’re on a date with or their co-worker? They *KNOW* their BFF won’t judge them for what they say/do. They know their BFF will accept them and even if she disagrees with them she won’t think less of her as a human being for it. Her NON-close GFs might but her BFF won’t. That’s why you’ll often find 2-sets of married chicks out on the prowl, they both want to get fucked and both will keep eachother’s secrets that night…but if you add a female co-worker in there or replace one of the married women with her, suddenly they won’t go home with a guy because now there’s someone who may or may not (and they have to err on the side of caution and assume they WILL) judge them.

So the reason women lie about this shit is because they know the guy they’re on a date with or their co-workers etc etc will judge them if they’re honest. Because 99% of people WILL judge them. But if you can remove that judgement, they’ll open up to you like they do with their BFFs. That’s a big part of why they tell me all sorts of fucked up shit that they won’t tell their general friends or family, because they know I won’t judge them. It’s survival for her to be covert because if she gets judged she’ll miss out on or sabotage opportunities to achieve her biological goals.

So in THEORY, if men could just be non-judgemental (or at least hold a poker face and give the illusion of it, like I often do lol), women would be more honest.

Note how society/media is promoting the whole AF/BB and Hypergamy and Cuckold thing more and more…it’s because the FI has enough control over society that women in general don’t feel as judged and can start being more open and blatant about that stuff. Women still cheated in the “good ol’ days” but society had severely harsh judgemental punishments for it so they were way more covert about it when it happened. Now all punishments have been removed, and men have been feminized and neutered enough that women are flaunting it in everyone’s face more.

“I dont’ disagree with Hollenhund that male-blaming is an issue.”

Me neither. I’m actually big into MRA shit and have been for years. I know exactly what he’s saying, I see it all the time not just in MRA circles but in guys learning pickup.

But the reality is if your dog is out biting people it’s because you are a shitty trainer. I’m sorry if that’s hard to hear, and yes your dog might just be an asshole, but there’s a very clear observable pattern dogs with informed owners who train them properly are biting the faces off less children at the park than dogs with owners who have no idea wtf they’re doing.

The error is believing the dog should train itself. Why WOULD it? Nothing in society incentivizes it to.

“when you get a cute girl talking, laughing, being feminine, maybe throwing off a few IOI’s – it looks like an oasis in a desert to any beta schlub that’s not used to seeing that”

Ya, this is usually why AMOGs come in on me. They think “well I’m better than HIM, and if she’s that receptive to HIM then she’ll LOVE ME! Plus she’s probably a slut if she’s that friendly that quickly so that’ll be easy to get her!” It’s retarded lol

Tyler makes a funny point: “People say learning game is creepy. No, you know what’s creepy? NOT learning game. Why? Because guys who say “don’t learn game, it’s creepy” aren’t going to just NOT talk to girls…they’re still going to go try to talk to girls, but they’re going to do it in this fucked up creepy uncalibrated lame way.”

@Rollo
“It essentially amounts to victim blaming; Betas are hapless and hopeless mules brainwashed and indentured”

I agree completely, that’s why I try to always stress that it’s not their FAULT they have the wrong expectations of women. It’s socially conditioned into them from birth. They’re just a leaf blowing in the wind and end up caught in a spiderweb before they find the Red Pill.

BUT, there are two guys that make posts like hollenhund: guys who are just frustrated and confused and are looking for answers/help. Those guys can be taken under your wing and helped. But the other guys are the type who have already decided they know how the world works and shut their mind off to everything and that’s why they reject infield footage as a global conspiracy of paid models in every video and make excuses for stuff they can’t explain and brush over points when I say “ok explain how the MISC Forever Aloners exist” etc, because it doesn’t fit their narrative they’ve constructed (or picked up from a negative community) and they reject it all. You can see that happening in this very thread.

They ENJOY the negative world-view they have, that’s why they don’t try to fix it. They love it, the same way a group of goth kids will all feed off eachother’s negativity about how shitty life is. Their brain wants more of what it’s used to.

“That sucks. PUAs telling a guy it’s on him as to why women are boring or uninterested in him sexually only reinforces that angst.”

I agree entirely, and we KNOW that…BUT, we put it that way for two reasons:

1) guys need to hear it. Tough love. Sorry it sucks to hear, I get it, but if you want someone to just lie to you and tell you the special unicorn girl is out there for you you can talk to your mom lol If you want solutions, here they are. Regret rape is from not managing Buyer’s Remorse. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can prevent it. It doesn’t matter how much you piss & moan about how unfair it is that you should have to understand how to manage Buyer’s Remorse, I feel for ya, it sucks that the world can’t just be wonderful and perfect and special, but welcome to reality. Learn this shit and you’ll be fine, reject it and take your chances. After you finish with all your crying and whining and blaming the world around you it’s all going to come down to a binary: accept this and learn to handle it, or reject it and go MGTOW (or killing spree lol)

2) in an ideal situation where you have someone actually mentoring you (VS me shouting at people on a public forum), they can help that guy understand that the fact that his actions can alter chick’s behavior is actually a GOOD THING. Because it means he’s not a piece of shit, he was just taking the wrong actions. And it means he can take control and fix his results, by changing and fixing his actions. He can start GETTING good receptions from girls or having fun with girls, because it’s his actions that help create that outcome.

“With all of the railing against women not being worthwhile one would think that would prompt these men to being indifferent to women – but they aren’t”

Exactly.

That’s why the Manosphere has some of the shittiest attitudes toward women of all the communities. Because the Manosphere is the only part of the community that chases women while simultaneously hating and loathing them, and a lot of people in the community PROMOTE and ENCOURAGE that mindset. PUAs probably “love” women the most of all the TRP groups, we know they’re flawed just like we know a dog can bite you, but we enjoy them for what they are. MGTOWs just kind of keep a nice healthy distance. MRAs tend to know it’s mainly hardcore feminist women and the legal system that’s the real problem and try to avoid ending up in situations involving those things. TRP varies because it’s a big community but seems to focus more on themselves than the women. But the Manosphere is the main community that’s like “Let’s go fuck these stupid worthless cunts, because we can’t be without them but we also can’t enjoy them” and that’s where you get a lot of this negative bullshit.

That’s why a lot of these guys, if they ARE successful with women, even HOT women, often fucking HATE the women they get and have in their lives. And they get women they hate because they aren’t in the right headspace to get women that they enjoy having in their life and DO find value in having around them. It’s warped as fuck and they don’t get that it’s warped because like goth kids having a negativity circlejerk they all back eachother up “ya fuck these stupid ungrateful bitches”

I NEVER see this kind of negative shit on PUA forums, and if people post it they get LAUGHED AT for it. Like Tyler at the start of this video making fun of some newbie crying on his forum:

“Whether it’s fair or not, by virtue of being a man, you’re going to have to accept your burden of performance.”

This is what it comes down to and why I don’t sugarcoat it. The reality is if you want to post a negative rant about how ungrateful women are there are DOZENS of guys reading this who will HAPPILY jump in and high-five you and add their own rant about how stupid bitches are. And it’s pretty much guaranteed that the guys participating in that negative circlejerk aren’t fucking quality women they enjoy having in their lives or aren’t getting the results they’d ideally like.

Someone has to say “look, your circlejerk is cute, but if you ever want to ACTUALLY fix your shit, here’s a dose of reality for you. Take it or don’t, it’s your dick I’m not going to take a horse to water and force him to drink. But there are newbies lurking who are influenced by these discussions and the difference between them going the Elliot Rogers route or the self-improvement route I took can be one post explaining why those negative rants are silly keyboard jockey bullshit and a couple good RSD vids that make them go “huh, this isn’t what that negative guy was talking about at all, this kind of resonates with my experiences…maybe I’ll check out a few more vids” and they end up on a decent path.

“Living it is the only way keep learning from it.”

This is why I go out. Why does my advice hold up and why can I keep consistently nailing guy’s sticking points and mindsets and problems off some vague anonymous forum blurb about their general night out? Because I go out and I see this shit regularly. Anyone else who does the same would see it too.

It’s also probably part of why we have disconnect. You get to observe a LOT, but myself, Tyler, my good-looking buddies, etc. are in the middle of it. We’re battling other guys for girls at the hotdog stand outside the bar after last call while you’re probably closing up shop or on your way home, and we’re dealing with getting girls out for day2s or over for sex when you don’t have to interact with your bottle model after the event and get her to come over and suck your dick. So it’s natural that we would have some disconnect on some aspects of pickup despite agreeing on like 99.999% of Red Pill stuff in general. I only offer the PUA side of the subject because everyone discovering the Red Pill WANTS to buy into what you’re saying because it’s exactly what they already believe and lets them off the hook and lets them make excuses for why they haven’t succeeded yet…I’d rather get those guys out there questioning it and seeing for themselves where the grey areas are and what differences running game makes is all.

“One reason I will never look to writing Red Pill books as a career option is because it would remove me from the very source of my observations.”

pfft, don’t think that’ll stop the haters lol:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47693-post-1132891.html#pid1132891

“but I honestly enjoy interacting with even the dullards and the drunks.”

Last night a buddy my age and I hit a kiddie nightclub venue. Way too high-energy for us, like full of kids partying for the first time now that they’re legally allowed to drink. We both have a solid 10-15 years on everyone there lol When we walked in, my buddy felt out of place and nervous and like an outsider who didn’t belong there. But I felt psyched and was grininng from ear to ear. Was I like Stifler running around with high-energy like the kids? No, him and I are both low-energy guys. But while he focuses on himself and all the negative aspects of being there and how retarded and drunk and dumb everyone is, what *I* see is a bunch of young silly people having fun, girls learning how to be sexy and wrap guys around their fingers, guys wide-eyed staring at girls trying to work up the nerve to say hello while their buddies try to feed them shots to get their confidence up, even the stupid shit like guys getting into fights and girls crying about drama, it’s all hilarious to me. I don’t EXPECT to walk into a kiddie nightclub and see a bunch of people calmly sitting around sipping martinis and discussing politics like my buddy is expecting/hoping for. It’s like when I go to a stripclub I WANT it to be some dirty shithole stripclub full of broken dreams and daddy issues lol That’s what I EXPECT from a stripclub. Throw in loud music and flashing lights and smoke and shit and that nightclub is providing exactly what I expect it to provide.

Did my buddy and I walk into two different venues? No. We’ve just built different mindsets for viewing the situation we’re entering. My buddy spent the night standing around looking uncomfortable, opened a girl awkwardly who ran off after a minute, and went home early and I spent the night sober making out with a sober 21yo (she bought me drinks and initiated exchanging numbers and I extracted after 2 hours before last call and got her to walk me to my building but hit LMR, 90% sure she just wasn’t expecting to pick up and wasn’t groomed down below or had her period, she’s txting today and I’ll ask her why she didn’t come up when I bang her lol also I told her my age early, it’s actually funny to me to bring up age, if you do it after you have some Attraction they feel embarrassed about being too young lol). “BUT YAREALLY Y U DINT GET LAID I THOT U WERE PUA??” Shit, you’re right, that whole night was a waste of my time. It cost me $5 cover and $0 in drinks and I had to have a fun flirty 2 hour conversation with a cute chick 10+ years younger than me that I had good chemistry with in-between making out with her and will probably bang her this week. Worst night ever!!! lol

Do I just happen to meet the one friendly receptive girl in the venue who’s a huge super-slut whore and my buddy just happened to run into bitchy chicks? Or is it that I’m going in with a much better positive comfortable value-giving headspace (I was joking about how I’m going to give the kids there life advice and call them “son” and make 80s references they won’t understand because that’s funny to me) which changes everything about how I act in the venue compared to him, from obvious external actions to internal mindsets to subcommunications girls pick up on. All I was expecting from anyone in that venue was being silly kids and providing me with entertainment when I’m making myself laugh.

@Jeremy

“In fact, the biggest demographic that makes use of PUA material online are male introverts.”

I’m an introvert btw. Even though people don’t believe it lol Social interaction is actually draining to me and I prefer my alone time by default. But I make an effort to let whatever extroversion I have out when I go out because I’ve learned to view that as fun. Playing a sport is draining too, but it’s fun and worth it. That’s how I view sarging. I’m also low energy in-field, I don’t high-five or spin-hug chicks or anything, I just talk and laser.

“Worse, when they make attempts to be social, and find failure, they’ll often blame everything but themselves.”

This. That’s why we make fun of them and give them tough love. Because EVERYONE will coddle them and tell them it’s those stupid bitches or it’s stupid feminists or it’s the Feminist Imperitive bla bla bla and help foster those guys’ shitty mindsets which is alright to an extent, they’ll have a great understanding of the world around them…but they’re still going to be alone and miserable or hate the girls they’re fucking and be a different kind of miserable. The only thing worse than not getting the thing you want is getting a shitty version of it.

“Worse, these same men have self-convinced that every tiny failure is worth quitting over.”

When The Game first came out we were all scared SHITLESS that PUA was going to go mainstream and EVERY guy was going to run game and every girl would know all our routines and tactics and shit. Turns out 99.99999% of guys don’t have the desire to stick with it lol Most guys haven’t hit rock bottom. Guys like Tyler and myself hit rock bottom, that’s why we took this whole adventure on. ’cause anything was better than where we were at.

I’m not some super charismatic alpha broski born and raised who’s laughing at introverted nerds. We were just as fucked up, if not fucked up MORE because we didn’t even have Rollo’s blog or TRP shit to read and understand the world, but we took action and handled our shit. It wasn’t easy, we went through the same bullshit anyone else is. Any of the Field Reports you guys write where you run into some bullshit cockblock or sticking point or mental hurdle, we ran into the same bullshit. We just didn’t give up and we didn’t have a community that would SUPPORT us giving up and ENCOURAGE us to give up.

@Jeremy
“Think of modern male introverts like you would a fat girl who has never in her life lifted weights”

Fucking lol, this is a great analogy. PUAs are the guys who say “look, you’re fat and it’s technically your fault, but that means you can change your actions and work toward fixing that if you want to” But that fatty has to hit rock bottom before she’ll finally accept that she has ANY fault in the situation and will start changing her actions and stick to it. As long as we allow her to blame everything else in the world for her problems, she’ll just keep falling back into old habits and victim complexes. She can piss & moan all she wants about how unfair it is and I can even AGREE with her that it’s unfair and understand how she feels it’s victim-blaming because she wasn’t taught good diet habits by society and her parents bought her shitty food growing up, but end of the day if she wants to lose that fat she’s gotta fix her diet and exercise. No way around it, sorry.

“Ironically, society actually does try to convince these guys that they’re outcasts, but this has little effect save to push these guys into further isolation”

The catch there is that with the internet those guys find like-minded guys and create their own communities based around that commonality of being isolated outsiders. Same as fat chicks gravitating and guys in the Manosphere with negative mindsets congregating on RVF to complain.

“When you see these guys at the clubs, they’re standing at the bar by themselves, admiring some detail on the alcohol shelves that they manage to find worth spinning their brain cycles on. They have no clue how to make eye-contact and introduce themselves. They’re actually in danger of embarrassing themselves terribly without help in many cases, and the people in the bar to whom all of this comes easy… avoid them like the plague because it just makes their interaction harder.”

I actually often befriend these guys ’cause I remember what that was like. I’ll just chat them up and joke around and try to get them to feel comfortable and if I can get them to loosen up a bit I’ll try to stop girls randomly to introduce them to him lol For me it’s just fucking around so it’s no big deal for me, but for him it can be like “wow this is the best night of my LIFE!! I talked to a girl!!!” (when he has no idea she wasn’t even into him). I actually ran into a guy who did that to me back before I found PUA (I suspect he WAS a PUA, looking back on it). I had no idea what he was trying to show me and was terrified by the whole thing but that night is burned into my brain.

“Do these people really need to continue blaming the world for their troubles?”

That’s my view. I mean, the REASON some guy is a 30yo virgin is because he’s been allowed to blame everything else in the world for his problems and avoid taking action and personal responsibility and doing what he can to improve in that area of his life. He doesn’t need me to offer him that too, everyone else will. If he want answers, hey, here you go buddy I’m rooting for you and props for being humble enough to admit you need help.

“In fact, these people need to have their exact failures reinforced clearly in their heads so they do not default to blaming the world for their condition.”

Like Tyler says part of why we force guys to go out is because the field will rub their sticking points in their face. I can LOOK at you and guess where you may have social issues, but if you go out every day for a month the field is going to let you know exactly where you’re fucking up socially, especially if you’re doing Field Reports and getting guys with more or similar experience to look at them and try to help you figure out what you’re doing wrong.

But that involves leaving your comfort zone and guys are terrified to do that these days.

@CaveClown
“But the fat girl is encouraged to blame society for her condition, where as an introverted socially unskilled man is not.”

Till he comes to the Manosphere. (the parts of the Manosphere that aren’t Rollo’s blog at least lol) NOW he can blame “those stupid ungrateful bitches” and high-five SD and hollenhund. But like Jeremy says that wasn’t his point, his point was about how we treat the person with the problem. Like it’s UNFAIR that men have the burden of performance, but hey, that’s reality, suck it up, here’s how to handle that in the most optimal way when you finally give in and accept that life isn’t fair sometimes, ya know? (not you, but these guys in general)

@Jeremy
“Unfortunately since I was also conditioned to self-restrict-sexually a lot of the positive social success that I had in that area when I was younger was simply stopped cold by implanted dogma. In effect, I was trained not to “close””

This is why a lot of good-looking rich etc dudes DON’T get laid as much as people think. Even if the girl makes moves they panic and don’t know what to do because their internals are still socially conditioned all fucked up.

“Anyway, she brought me into her apartment and bedroom without any real prompting from me. It was a clear invitation. I mean, I had green lights flashing all around me. She even excused herself to the bathroom while I was sitting on her bed. When she came out, I politely excused myself and walked out.”

lol yup, I had a few of those experiences before PUA too. Fucking hilarious looking back on them how oblivious/retarded I was.

Yet when a guy is good-looking or rich we all just assume he won’t have those same internal hangups that we did…as if he’s just magically born with an “I FUCK EVERYTHING RARRRR!!” gene and wasn’t subject to the same bullshit social conditioning the rest of us were.

Like look at these fuckin guys. 1:25 the profiles start:

Roofer is a good-lookin dude, alpha blue-collar job backyard BBQ type guy, dresses up in a nice blazer. And his competition is a decent lookin dude, good sense of humor, confidence, extroverted. These guys should do just fine.

I won’t spoil the episode because it’s a good watch, but the part I wanted to focus on that’s related to “not closing” is 11:23 in that vid. He has to use a girl to make his pretend ex jealous. This girl is DYING to make out with him, practically from “hello”. She’s even making the moves on him. Offering to buy her drinks, asking for her number. Even the judges are like “the only thing he should be paying for is cab fare home”.

But anyone who looked at a picture of that dude esp compared to a pic of me they would be like “this guy on the show is a good looking guy, he’s a roofer, he should be getting laid ’cause guys like that just have to say two words and get laid. Except they often don’t SAY those two words or say two of the WRONG words lol And I’ll take girls off that guy blindfolded.

Highly recommend watching this show, it’ll blow a lot of limiting beliefs guys have. I see this shit play out in-field all the time lol

“You can’t let them keep telling themselves that, “That woman is just a cunt, that’s why she won’t go home with me,” because frankly it’s just not true.”

Reality is that girl who was a “cunt” is sweet as sugar for guys who aren’t all fucked up internally. That chick isn’t like, at home with her family on Christmas going “THIS PRESENT SUCKS, UGH, I HATE YOU ALL” She’s a sweet little dork who’s brother makes fun of her and her daddy scolds. That’s the same girl at the bar. The side of her you see is often based on the energy you’re bringing to the interaction.

You can’t control the outcome, but you can control your actions. PUA teaches you to control what you can and let go of (but understand) what you can’t.

@Andy
“I have spent most of my life feeling like I’m surrounded by idiots. I still get that feeling a lot. But there are interesting people out there and you can’t tell by looking at them.”

I find a lot of people have SOMETHING to offer if you give them the opportunity to share it. It might not be anything relevant to your life, it might be one little snippet they share, but like, people are inherently pretty good. A big part of rapport is helping other people express themselves and what makes them special. Like the chick I was talking to last night was going on about how she doesn’t give a fuck about anything (trying to be a bad girl type, it was cute lol), but I just cut through that and told her I don’t believe that and I know she’s passionate about SOMETHING and asked her what’s the one thing she can’t shut up about when someone brings it up and she confessed what it was and we had a fun chat about it. Is she going to teach me anything about that subject? Probably not, she’s just a girl. But like, I’m not expecting her to teach me anything just like I’m not expecting to learn anything if my 5yo niece is excitedly telling me about the tea party she had with her stuffed animals today. It’s not a waste of my time and I’m not doing it “just to get laid”, I know the sex will probably happen and if it doesn’t with her it will with a different girl at some point. I’m just having fun interacting with other human beings.

And that was consciously developed. I was a full out negative hermit recluse living in my computer room for years when I was younger…but part of WHY I was that was because I didn’t have any guidance for how to socialize with people or enjoy social environments or how to flirt with girls.

@agent p
“The only fat chick, she wasn’t even so much fat as she was thick, that I ever fucked, her line to me once in bed was, “You can do anything you want to me!”.”

I’ve found that normal/hot chicks often feel the same way, but a guy will do fucked up dirty shit to a fat chick that a hotter girl WISHES a guy would do to her, but every guy treats her like a fragile porcelein doll in bed. If you like kinky rough shit, push that on normal/hot girls, they love it as much as the fatties if you can get past the mental barrier of slapping around a hot girl lol

@hollenhund
“You know, I’m not exactly a fan of Roosh, but at least he gives a clear assessment of pick-up.”

Funny how literally one of the most negative guys who teaches pick-up with the most bleak depressing negative view of interacting with women, is the one you resonate with and see as the accurate version lol I’m sure that’s a coincidence and not at all your brain focusing on enforcing and justfying your shitty world view.

“He observed that Western women typically view their (potential) male companions as circus clowns, optional life accessories for amusement. In another article, he called Game an “obligatory pursuit” for men. Those were his exact words. Again, that’s straight talk, no bullshit.”

Now let’s go find the goth kids who know that all those bleak emo songs about how the world sucks are telling the straight talk no bullshit. Like I say, you can’t see the negative headspaces you’ve built up, and you don’t want to because you LOVE them. You’ve made an identity out of it and you just want to keep reinforcing it. That’s why I’m not really trying to help or coddle you. You don’t want my help, or anyone’s help, you just want reinforcement of your shitty views, that’s why Roosh’s views resonate with you lol

“If that’s what you took away from my comments, you clearly weren’t paying any attention.”

So explain better. The onus is on you to be clear, not on me to guess at what you’re trying to say.

@Jeremy
“The words I’ve ready from Roosh to that end were his assessment of *himself*… he felt that he was the clown, and felt forced into that role in order to game western women.”

Whether these were his words or not, it IS an assessment of himself and his view of himself and pickup. It’s entirely possible to be a dancing clown for women, but a lot of the guys who find women viewing them that way are setting that frame themselves. Roosh’s style of game is based around selling himself, so he falls into a dancing clown frame. What PUA teaches, especially these days, is to make the girl sell herself to YOU. SHE should be YOUR dancing clown. That’s why that girl was buying our drinks last night, because I made her sell herself to me instead of the other way around. And I do that with hardcore qualifying and making her invest, while Roosh’s crew talk a big game but end up supplicative and acting like dancing monkeys infield (from the vids I’ve seen and meetup reports I’ve read).

@hoellenhund
“Really, why can’t you simply bring yourself to say “dead bedrooms are men’s fault”? That’s exactly what you meant, and it even takes much fewer words to say it. ”

Because it’s not true in 100% of cases. But it’s often true, and preventable/fixable.

“Again, why not simply say it? At least it’d make it obvious to everyone that you’re on the same side as feminists and tradcons,”

That’s why I don’t say it. Because guys like you who are looking to create a victim narrative will irrationally blow it out of proportion and miss the point instead of intelligently discussing it. You’re doing exactly what feminists do. “WUT NOT BEING DRUNK IN A MINISKIRT IN AN ALLEYWAY WITH 5 GUYS WOULDVE HELPED PREVENT HER RAPE? SO UR SAYING ITS HER FAULT AND ALL WOMEN WHO GET RAPED ARE SLUTS WHO DESERVED IT!!!!” You are irrational and emotional and I’m attempting to keep the discussion somewhere in productive territory while you try to derail it with your feelz.

“And I’ll show you a fucking cunt who should be thrown in jail, whose company no man should’ve sought in the first place.”

lol

“If you’re attempting here to promote PUA here, I can tell you for sure that you’re doing a very crappy job.”

I’m not attempting to promote it to you. I know you don’t actually want help. But you’re doing an excellent job of promoting it for me even if you don’t realize it. :)

@agent p
“Ignorance is not a defence in law, but it’s a reasonable moral defence in a situation where someone genuinely does not know what the right thing is to do.”

The catch is a lot of men, like hollenhund, will be given the answers or have complete free access TO learning, but choose to stay ignorant because it feels so much better to just stew in anger.


Red Pill Parenting – Part II

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@Forge the Sky
“men who are productive and important – but not apex-dominant – will only continue helping society if they receive some degree of respect and honor from apex-dominant men”

FWIW I make an effort to let those guys know I appreciate the shit they do (I’ve hung in blue collar, nerd, etc social circles). And I’ve hung in crowds who look down on blue-collar guys or nerds etc and it’s like do you guys even understand how much you sitting in this bar with your overpriced drink checking your texts on your smartphone is only happening because of the work those guys thanklessly do that no one gives a shit about?

The day those guys all go MGTOW or swallow enough Red Pill to just work to support themselves and reject society’s requests for their skills is the day society starts a downward spiral into a nightmare lol

“put of a facade of (relative) chastity, claim to be aroused by BB, screw the hot guy who ‘just gets it’ on the side, lie with a poker face about it. I don’t even really have a problem with that in a way – if it were just not lied about.”

Here’s the thing. And this is hard for guys to grasp especially with the hostile “YAREALLY SAYS EVERYTHING IS MEN’S FAULT” thing going on in this thread. Them lying actually…IS men’s fault. lol Drop in on a pre/post bar conversation between super close girlfriends and you’ll often hear the most blatantly sexual red pill honest shit in your life. With their BFFs they don’t say “oh I’m just going to dinner with this guy I met, I’m sure nothing will happen”, they’re saying “I need to get fucked, my hubby just doesn’t do it” “I know babe don’t worry about it getting a sugar daddy on the side was the best thing I ever did for my marriage you go grrrl”. Like, they’ll often drop the whole “lying about it” thing with their super close girlfriends.

So how is their covert lying men’s fault? Well if we accept that to their BFFs they’ll be blatantly red pill honest, then we have to accept that they’re not INCAPABLE of being honest, it’s just that with their BFF cirumstances are such that they’re more likely to be honest than they are with other people or men. So what’s the difference between their BFF and a guy they’re on a date with or their co-worker? They *KNOW* their BFF won’t judge them for what they say/do. They know their BFF will accept them and even if she disagrees with them she won’t think less of her as a human being for it. Her NON-close GFs might but her BFF won’t. That’s why you’ll often find 2-sets of married chicks out on the prowl, they both want to get fucked and both will keep eachother’s secrets that night…but if you add a female co-worker in there or replace one of the married women with her, suddenly they won’t go home with a guy because now there’s someone who may or may not (and they have to err on the side of caution and assume they WILL) judge them.

So the reason women lie about this shit is because they know the guy they’re on a date with or their co-workers etc etc will judge them if they’re honest. Because 99% of people WILL judge them. But if you can remove that judgement, they’ll open up to you like they do with their BFFs. That’s a big part of why they tell me all sorts of fucked up shit that they won’t tell their general friends or family, because they know I won’t judge them. It’s survival for her to be covert because if she gets judged she’ll miss out on or sabotage opportunities to achieve her biological goals.

So in THEORY, if men could just be non-judgemental (or at least hold a poker face and give the illusion of it, like I often do lol), women would be more honest.

Note how society/media is promoting the whole AF/BB and Hypergamy and Cuckold thing more and more…it’s because the FI has enough control over society that women in general don’t feel as judged and can start being more open and blatant about that stuff. Women still cheated in the “good ol’ days” but society had severely harsh judgemental punishments for it so they were way more covert about it when it happened. Now all punishments have been removed, and men have been feminized and neutered enough that women are flaunting it in everyone’s face more.

“I dont’ disagree with Hollenhund that male-blaming is an issue.”

Me neither. I’m actually big into MRA shit and have been for years. I know exactly what he’s saying, I see it all the time not just in MRA circles but in guys learning pickup.

But the reality is if your dog is out biting people it’s because you are a shitty trainer. I’m sorry if that’s hard to hear, and yes your dog might just be an asshole, but there’s a very clear observable pattern dogs with informed owners who train them properly are biting the faces off less children at the park than dogs with owners who have no idea wtf they’re doing.

The error is believing the dog should train itself. Why WOULD it? Nothing in society incentivizes it to.

“when you get a cute girl talking, laughing, being feminine, maybe throwing off a few IOI’s – it looks like an oasis in a desert to any beta schlub that’s not used to seeing that”

Ya, this is usually why AMOGs come in on me. They think “well I’m better than HIM, and if she’s that receptive to HIM then she’ll LOVE ME! Plus she’s probably a slut if she’s that friendly that quickly so that’ll be easy to get her!” It’s retarded lol

Tyler makes a funny point: “People say learning game is creepy. No, you know what’s creepy? NOT learning game. Why? Because guys who say “don’t learn game, it’s creepy” aren’t going to just NOT talk to girls…they’re still going to go try to talk to girls, but they’re going to do it in this fucked up creepy uncalibrated lame way.”

@Rollo
“It essentially amounts to victim blaming; Betas are hapless and hopeless mules brainwashed and indentured”

I agree completely, that’s why I try to always stress that it’s not their FAULT they have the wrong expectations of women. It’s socially conditioned into them from birth. They’re just a leaf blowing in the wind and end up caught in a spiderweb before they find the Red Pill.

BUT, there are two guys that make posts like hollenhund: guys who are just frustrated and confused and are looking for answers/help. Those guys can be taken under your wing and helped. But the other guys are the type who have already decided they know how the world works and shut their mind off to everything and that’s why they reject infield footage as a global conspiracy of paid models in every video and make excuses for stuff they can’t explain and brush over points when I say “ok explain how the MISC Forever Aloners exist” etc, because it doesn’t fit their narrative they’ve constructed (or picked up from a negative community) and they reject it all. You can see that happening in this very thread.

They ENJOY the negative world-view they have, that’s why they don’t try to fix it. They love it, the same way a group of goth kids will all feed off eachother’s negativity about how shitty life is. Their brain wants more of what it’s used to.

“That sucks. PUAs telling a guy it’s on him as to why women are boring or uninterested in him sexually only reinforces that angst.”

I agree entirely, and we KNOW that…BUT, we put it that way for two reasons:

1) guys need to hear it. Tough love. Sorry it sucks to hear, I get it, but if you want someone to just lie to you and tell you the special unicorn girl is out there for you you can talk to your mom lol If you want solutions, here they are. Regret rape is from not managing Buyer’s Remorse. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can prevent it. It doesn’t matter how much you piss & moan about how unfair it is that you should have to understand how to manage Buyer’s Remorse, I feel for ya, it sucks that the world can’t just be wonderful and perfect and special, but welcome to reality. Learn this shit and you’ll be fine, reject it and take your chances. After you finish with all your crying and whining and blaming the world around you it’s all going to come down to a binary: accept this and learn to handle it, or reject it and go MGTOW (or killing spree lol)

2) in an ideal situation where you have someone actually mentoring you (VS me shouting at people on a public forum), they can help that guy understand that the fact that his actions can alter chick’s behavior is actually a GOOD THING. Because it means he’s not a piece of shit, he was just taking the wrong actions. And it means he can take control and fix his results, by changing and fixing his actions. He can start GETTING good receptions from girls or having fun with girls, because it’s his actions that help create that outcome.

“With all of the railing against women not being worthwhile one would think that would prompt these men to being indifferent to women – but they aren’t”

Exactly.

That’s why the Manosphere has some of the shittiest attitudes toward women of all the communities. Because the Manosphere is the only part of the community that chases women while simultaneously hating and loathing them, and a lot of people in the community PROMOTE and ENCOURAGE that mindset. PUAs probably “love” women the most of all the TRP groups, we know they’re flawed just like we know a dog can bite you, but we enjoy them for what they are. MGTOWs just kind of keep a nice healthy distance. MRAs tend to know it’s mainly hardcore feminist women and the legal system that’s the real problem and try to avoid ending up in situations involving those things. TRP varies because it’s a big community but seems to focus more on themselves than the women. But the Manosphere is the main community that’s like “Let’s go fuck these stupid worthless cunts, because we can’t be without them but we also can’t enjoy them” and that’s where you get a lot of this negative bullshit.

That’s why a lot of these guys, if they ARE successful with women, even HOT women, often fucking HATE the women they get and have in their lives. And they get women they hate because they aren’t in the right headspace to get women that they enjoy having in their life and DO find value in having around them. It’s warped as fuck and they don’t get that it’s warped because like goth kids having a negativity circlejerk they all back eachother up “ya fuck these stupid ungrateful bitches”

I NEVER see this kind of negative shit on PUA forums, and if people post it they get LAUGHED AT for it. Like Tyler at the start of this video making fun of some newbie crying on his forum:

“Whether it’s fair or not, by virtue of being a man, you’re going to have to accept your burden of performance.”

This is what it comes down to and why I don’t sugarcoat it. The reality is if you want to post a negative rant about how ungrateful women are there are DOZENS of guys reading this who will HAPPILY jump in and high-five you and add their own rant about how stupid bitches are. And it’s pretty much guaranteed that the guys participating in that negative circlejerk aren’t fucking quality women they enjoy having in their lives or aren’t getting the results they’d ideally like.

Someone has to say “look, your circlejerk is cute, but if you ever want to ACTUALLY fix your shit, here’s a dose of reality for you. Take it or don’t, it’s your dick I’m not going to take a horse to water and force him to drink. But there are newbies lurking who are influenced by these discussions and the difference between them going the Elliot Rogers route or the self-improvement route I took can be one post explaining why those negative rants are silly keyboard jockey bullshit and a couple good RSD vids that make them go “huh, this isn’t what that negative guy was talking about at all, this kind of resonates with my experiences…maybe I’ll check out a few more vids” and they end up on a decent path.

“Living it is the only way keep learning from it.”

This is why I go out. Why does my advice hold up and why can I keep consistently nailing guy’s sticking points and mindsets and problems off some vague anonymous forum blurb about their general night out? Because I go out and I see this shit regularly. Anyone else who does the same would see it too.

It’s also probably part of why we have disconnect. You get to observe a LOT, but myself, Tyler, my good-looking buddies, etc. are in the middle of it. We’re battling other guys for girls at the hotdog stand outside the bar after last call while you’re probably closing up shop or on your way home, and we’re dealing with getting girls out for day2s or over for sex when you don’t have to interact with your bottle model after the event and get her to come over and suck your dick. So it’s natural that we would have some disconnect on some aspects of pickup despite agreeing on like 99.999% of Red Pill stuff in general. I only offer the PUA side of the subject because everyone discovering the Red Pill WANTS to buy into what you’re saying because it’s exactly what they already believe and lets them off the hook and lets them make excuses for why they haven’t succeeded yet…I’d rather get those guys out there questioning it and seeing for themselves where the grey areas are and what differences running game makes is all.

“One reason I will never look to writing Red Pill books as a career option is because it would remove me from the very source of my observations.”

pfft, don’t think that’ll stop the haters lol:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47693-post-1132891.html#pid1132891

“but I honestly enjoy interacting with even the dullards and the drunks.”

Last night a buddy my age and I hit a kiddie nightclub venue. Way too high-energy for us, like full of kids partying for the first time now that they’re legally allowed to drink. We both have a solid 10-15 years on everyone there lol When we walked in, my buddy felt out of place and nervous and like an outsider who didn’t belong there. But I felt psyched and was grininng from ear to ear. Was I like Stifler running around with high-energy like the kids? No, him and I are both low-energy guys. But while he focuses on himself and all the negative aspects of being there and how retarded and drunk and dumb everyone is, what *I* see is a bunch of young silly people having fun, girls learning how to be sexy and wrap guys around their fingers, guys wide-eyed staring at girls trying to work up the nerve to say hello while their buddies try to feed them shots to get their confidence up, even the stupid shit like guys getting into fights and girls crying about drama, it’s all hilarious to me. I don’t EXPECT to walk into a kiddie nightclub and see a bunch of people calmly sitting around sipping martinis and discussing politics like my buddy is expecting/hoping for. It’s like when I go to a stripclub I WANT it to be some dirty shithole stripclub full of broken dreams and daddy issues lol That’s what I EXPECT from a stripclub. Throw in loud music and flashing lights and smoke and shit and that nightclub is providing exactly what I expect it to provide.

Did my buddy and I walk into two different venues? No. We’ve just built different mindsets for viewing the situation we’re entering. My buddy spent the night standing around looking uncomfortable, opened a girl awkwardly who ran off after a minute, and went home early and I spent the night sober making out with a sober 21yo (she bought me drinks and initiated exchanging numbers and I extracted after 2 hours before last call and got her to walk me to my building but hit LMR, 90% sure she just wasn’t expecting to pick up and wasn’t groomed down below or had her period, she’s txting today and I’ll ask her why she didn’t come up when I bang her lol also I told her my age early, it’s actually funny to me to bring up age, if you do it after you have some Attraction they feel embarrassed about being too young lol). “BUT YAREALLY Y U DINT GET LAID I THOT U WERE PUA??” Shit, you’re right, that whole night was a waste of my time. It cost me $5 cover and $0 in drinks and I had to have a fun flirty 2 hour conversation with a cute chick 10+ years younger than me that I had good chemistry with in-between making out with her and will probably bang her this week. Worst night ever!!! lol

Do I just happen to meet the one friendly receptive girl in the venue who’s a huge super-slut whore and my buddy just happened to run into bitchy chicks? Or is it that I’m going in with a much better positive comfortable value-giving headspace (I was joking about how I’m going to give the kids there life advice and call them “son” and make 80s references they won’t understand because that’s funny to me) which changes everything about how I act in the venue compared to him, from obvious external actions to internal mindsets to subcommunications girls pick up on. All I was expecting from anyone in that venue was being silly kids and providing me with entertainment when I’m making myself laugh.

@Jeremy

“In fact, the biggest demographic that makes use of PUA material online are male introverts.”

I’m an introvert btw. Even though people don’t believe it lol Social interaction is actually draining to me and I prefer my alone time by default. But I make an effort to let whatever extroversion I have out when I go out because I’ve learned to view that as fun. Playing a sport is draining too, but it’s fun and worth it. That’s how I view sarging. I’m also low energy in-field, I don’t high-five or spin-hug chicks or anything, I just talk and laser.

“Worse, when they make attempts to be social, and find failure, they’ll often blame everything but themselves.”

This. That’s why we make fun of them and give them tough love. Because EVERYONE will coddle them and tell them it’s those stupid bitches or it’s stupid feminists or it’s the Feminist Imperitive bla bla bla and help foster those guys’ shitty mindsets which is alright to an extent, they’ll have a great understanding of the world around them…but they’re still going to be alone and miserable or hate the girls they’re fucking and be a different kind of miserable. The only thing worse than not getting the thing you want is getting a shitty version of it.

“Worse, these same men have self-convinced that every tiny failure is worth quitting over.”

When The Game first came out we were all scared SHITLESS that PUA was going to go mainstream and EVERY guy was going to run game and every girl would know all our routines and tactics and shit. Turns out 99.99999% of guys don’t have the desire to stick with it lol Most guys haven’t hit rock bottom. Guys like Tyler and myself hit rock bottom, that’s why we took this whole adventure on. ’cause anything was better than where we were at.

I’m not some super charismatic alpha broski born and raised who’s laughing at introverted nerds. We were just as fucked up, if not fucked up MORE because we didn’t even have Rollo’s blog or TRP shit to read and understand the world, but we took action and handled our shit. It wasn’t easy, we went through the same bullshit anyone else is. Any of the Field Reports you guys write where you run into some bullshit cockblock or sticking point or mental hurdle, we ran into the same bullshit. We just didn’t give up and we didn’t have a community that would SUPPORT us giving up and ENCOURAGE us to give up.

@Jeremy
“Think of modern male introverts like you would a fat girl who has never in her life lifted weights”

Fucking lol, this is a great analogy. PUAs are the guys who say “look, you’re fat and it’s technically your fault, but that means you can change your actions and work toward fixing that if you want to” But that fatty has to hit rock bottom before she’ll finally accept that she has ANY fault in the situation and will start changing her actions and stick to it. As long as we allow her to blame everything else in the world for her problems, she’ll just keep falling back into old habits and victim complexes. She can piss & moan all she wants about how unfair it is and I can even AGREE with her that it’s unfair and understand how she feels it’s victim-blaming because she wasn’t taught good diet habits by society and her parents bought her shitty food growing up, but end of the day if she wants to lose that fat she’s gotta fix her diet and exercise. No way around it, sorry.

“Ironically, society actually does try to convince these guys that they’re outcasts, but this has little effect save to push these guys into further isolation”

The catch there is that with the internet those guys find like-minded guys and create their own communities based around that commonality of being isolated outsiders. Same as fat chicks gravitating and guys in the Manosphere with negative mindsets congregating on RVF to complain.

“When you see these guys at the clubs, they’re standing at the bar by themselves, admiring some detail on the alcohol shelves that they manage to find worth spinning their brain cycles on. They have no clue how to make eye-contact and introduce themselves. They’re actually in danger of embarrassing themselves terribly without help in many cases, and the people in the bar to whom all of this comes easy… avoid them like the plague because it just makes their interaction harder.”

I actually often befriend these guys ’cause I remember what that was like. I’ll just chat them up and joke around and try to get them to feel comfortable and if I can get them to loosen up a bit I’ll try to stop girls randomly to introduce them to him lol For me it’s just fucking around so it’s no big deal for me, but for him it can be like “wow this is the best night of my LIFE!! I talked to a girl!!!” (when he has no idea she wasn’t even into him). I actually ran into a guy who did that to me back before I found PUA (I suspect he WAS a PUA, looking back on it). I had no idea what he was trying to show me and was terrified by the whole thing but that night is burned into my brain.

“Do these people really need to continue blaming the world for their troubles?”

That’s my view. I mean, the REASON some guy is a 30yo virgin is because he’s been allowed to blame everything else in the world for his problems and avoid taking action and personal responsibility and doing what he can to improve in that area of his life. He doesn’t need me to offer him that too, everyone else will. If he want answers, hey, here you go buddy I’m rooting for you and props for being humble enough to admit you need help.

“In fact, these people need to have their exact failures reinforced clearly in their heads so they do not default to blaming the world for their condition.”

Like Tyler says part of why we force guys to go out is because the field will rub their sticking points in their face. I can LOOK at you and guess where you may have social issues, but if you go out every day for a month the field is going to let you know exactly where you’re fucking up socially, especially if you’re doing Field Reports and getting guys with more or similar experience to look at them and try to help you figure out what you’re doing wrong.

But that involves leaving your comfort zone and guys are terrified to do that these days.

@CaveClown
“But the fat girl is encouraged to blame society for her condition, where as an introverted socially unskilled man is not.”

Till he comes to the Manosphere. (the parts of the Manosphere that aren’t Rollo’s blog at least lol) NOW he can blame “those stupid ungrateful bitches” and high-five SD and hollenhund. But like Jeremy says that wasn’t his point, his point was about how we treat the person with the problem. Like it’s UNFAIR that men have the burden of performance, but hey, that’s reality, suck it up, here’s how to handle that in the most optimal way when you finally give in and accept that life isn’t fair sometimes, ya know? (not you, but these guys in general)

@Jeremy
“Unfortunately since I was also conditioned to self-restrict-sexually a lot of the positive social success that I had in that area when I was younger was simply stopped cold by implanted dogma. In effect, I was trained not to “close””

This is why a lot of good-looking rich etc dudes DON’T get laid as much as people think. Even if the girl makes moves they panic and don’t know what to do because their internals are still socially conditioned all fucked up.

“Anyway, she brought me into her apartment and bedroom without any real prompting from me. It was a clear invitation. I mean, I had green lights flashing all around me. She even excused herself to the bathroom while I was sitting on her bed. When she came out, I politely excused myself and walked out.”

lol yup, I had a few of those experiences before PUA too. Fucking hilarious looking back on them how oblivious/retarded I was.

Yet when a guy is good-looking or rich we all just assume he won’t have those same internal hangups that we did…as if he’s just magically born with an “I FUCK EVERYTHING RARRRR!!” gene and wasn’t subject to the same bullshit social conditioning the rest of us were.

Like look at these fuckin guys. 1:25 the profiles start:

Roofer is a good-lookin dude, alpha blue-collar job backyard BBQ type guy, dresses up in a nice blazer. And his competition is a decent lookin dude, good sense of humor, confidence, extroverted. These guys should do just fine.

I won’t spoil the episode because it’s a good watch, but the part I wanted to focus on that’s related to “not closing” is 11:23 in that vid. He has to use a girl to make his pretend ex jealous. This girl is DYING to make out with him, practically from “hello”. She’s even making the moves on him. Offering to buy her drinks, asking for her number. Even the judges are like “the only thing he should be paying for is cab fare home”.

But anyone who looked at a picture of that dude esp compared to a pic of me they would be like “this guy on the show is a good looking guy, he’s a roofer, he should be getting laid ’cause guys like that just have to say two words and get laid. Except they often don’t SAY those two words or say two of the WRONG words lol And I’ll take girls off that guy blindfolded.

Highly recommend watching this show, it’ll blow a lot of limiting beliefs guys have. I see this shit play out in-field all the time lol

“You can’t let them keep telling themselves that, “That woman is just a cunt, that’s why she won’t go home with me,” because frankly it’s just not true.”

Reality is that girl who was a “cunt” is sweet as sugar for guys who aren’t all fucked up internally. That chick isn’t like, at home with her family on Christmas going “THIS PRESENT SUCKS, UGH, I HATE YOU ALL” She’s a sweet little dork who’s brother makes fun of her and her daddy scolds. That’s the same girl at the bar. The side of her you see is often based on the energy you’re bringing to the interaction.

You can’t control the outcome, but you can control your actions. PUA teaches you to control what you can and let go of (but understand) what you can’t.

@Andy
“I have spent most of my life feeling like I’m surrounded by idiots. I still get that feeling a lot. But there are interesting people out there and you can’t tell by looking at them.”

I find a lot of people have SOMETHING to offer if you give them the opportunity to share it. It might not be anything relevant to your life, it might be one little snippet they share, but like, people are inherently pretty good. A big part of rapport is helping other people express themselves and what makes them special. Like the chick I was talking to last night was going on about how she doesn’t give a fuck about anything (trying to be a bad girl type, it was cute lol), but I just cut through that and told her I don’t believe that and I know she’s passionate about SOMETHING and asked her what’s the one thing she can’t shut up about when someone brings it up and she confessed what it was and we had a fun chat about it. Is she going to teach me anything about that subject? Probably not, she’s just a girl. But like, I’m not expecting her to teach me anything just like I’m not expecting to learn anything if my 5yo niece is excitedly telling me about the tea party she had with her stuffed animals today. It’s not a waste of my time and I’m not doing it “just to get laid”, I know the sex will probably happen and if it doesn’t with her it will with a different girl at some point. I’m just having fun interacting with other human beings.

And that was consciously developed. I was a full out negative hermit recluse living in my computer room for years when I was younger…but part of WHY I was that was because I didn’t have any guidance for how to socialize with people or enjoy social environments or how to flirt with girls.

@agent p
“The only fat chick, she wasn’t even so much fat as she was thick, that I ever fucked, her line to me once in bed was, “You can do anything you want to me!”.”

I’ve found that normal/hot chicks often feel the same way, but a guy will do fucked up dirty shit to a fat chick that a hotter girl WISHES a guy would do to her, but every guy treats her like a fragile porcelein doll in bed. If you like kinky rough shit, push that on normal/hot girls, they love it as much as the fatties if you can get past the mental barrier of slapping around a hot girl lol

@hollenhund
“You know, I’m not exactly a fan of Roosh, but at least he gives a clear assessment of pick-up.”

Funny how literally one of the most negative guys who teaches pick-up with the most bleak depressing negative view of interacting with women, is the one you resonate with and see as the accurate version lol I’m sure that’s a coincidence and not at all your brain focusing on enforcing and justfying your shitty world view.

“He observed that Western women typically view their (potential) male companions as circus clowns, optional life accessories for amusement. In another article, he called Game an “obligatory pursuit” for men. Those were his exact words. Again, that’s straight talk, no bullshit.”

Now let’s go find the goth kids who know that all those bleak emo songs about how the world sucks are telling the straight talk no bullshit. Like I say, you can’t see the negative headspaces you’ve built up, and you don’t want to because you LOVE them. You’ve made an identity out of it and you just want to keep reinforcing it. That’s why I’m not really trying to help or coddle you. You don’t want my help, or anyone’s help, you just want reinforcement of your shitty views, that’s why Roosh’s views resonate with you lol

“If that’s what you took away from my comments, you clearly weren’t paying any attention.”

So explain better. The onus is on you to be clear, not on me to guess at what you’re trying to say.

@Jeremy
“The words I’ve ready from Roosh to that end were his assessment of *himself*… he felt that he was the clown, and felt forced into that role in order to game western women.”

Whether these were his words or not, it IS an assessment of himself and his view of himself and pickup. It’s entirely possible to be a dancing clown for women, but a lot of the guys who find women viewing them that way are setting that frame themselves. Roosh’s style of game is based around selling himself, so he falls into a dancing clown frame. What PUA teaches, especially these days, is to make the girl sell herself to YOU. SHE should be YOUR dancing clown. That’s why that girl was buying our drinks last night, because I made her sell herself to me instead of the other way around. And I do that with hardcore qualifying and making her invest, while Roosh’s crew talk a big game but end up supplicative and acting like dancing monkeys infield (from the vids I’ve seen and meetup reports I’ve read).

@hoellenhund
“Really, why can’t you simply bring yourself to say “dead bedrooms are men’s fault”? That’s exactly what you meant, and it even takes much fewer words to say it. ”

Because it’s not true in 100% of cases. But it’s often true, and preventable/fixable.

“Again, why not simply say it? At least it’d make it obvious to everyone that you’re on the same side as feminists and tradcons,”

That’s why I don’t say it. Because guys like you who are looking to create a victim narrative will irrationally blow it out of proportion and miss the point instead of intelligently discussing it. You’re doing exactly what feminists do. “WUT NOT BEING DRUNK IN A MINISKIRT IN AN ALLEYWAY WITH 5 GUYS WOULDVE HELPED PREVENT HER RAPE? SO UR SAYING ITS HER FAULT AND ALL WOMEN WHO GET RAPED ARE SLUTS WHO DESERVED IT!!!!” You are irrational and emotional and I’m attempting to keep the discussion somewhere in productive territory while you try to derail it with your feelz.

“And I’ll show you a fucking cunt who should be thrown in jail, whose company no man should’ve sought in the first place.”

lol

“If you’re attempting here to promote PUA here, I can tell you for sure that you’re doing a very crappy job.”

I’m not attempting to promote it to you. I know you don’t actually want help. But you’re doing an excellent job of promoting it for me even if you don’t realize it. πŸ™‚

@agent p
“Ignorance is not a defence in law, but it’s a reasonable moral defence in a situation where someone genuinely does not know what the right thing is to do.”

The catch is a lot of men, like hollenhund, will be given the answers or have complete free access TO learning, but choose to stay ignorant because it feels so much better to just stew in anger.


Red Pill Parenting – Part II

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YaReally
on October 19th, 2015 at 5:15 pm
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On Roosh:

RSDMax just put up his “origin story”. He started gaming in Washington DC, the city that Roosh and his crew complain about NON-STOP as being the worst and having the worst bitchy femincunt lizard bitches etc etc

And yet, Max didn’t run into these same problems. I wonder why. You know how many conversations about feminism I’ve had with girls in the bar in my LIFE? Literally one, and it was hilarious and I almost fucked one of the girls in the group lol Because they don’t bring that shit up if you’re not approaching them with this weird “these bitches are all ungrateful man-hating entitled feminazi cunts” energy those guys have.

He even gives a shout out to Roosh’s article but doesn’t know his name (because the PUA community doesn’t really know or care about Roosh or the Manosphere because it’s all a bunch of negative complaining shit to us) and says “I read this article about how Washington DC is the worst city in the world to get laid and I was like wut I don’t get it I haven’t had any problems” lol

Were they gaming in different cities? No. When RSD runs bootcamps in DC are they in some alternate universe version of it that the RVF guys aren’t in? No. If DC was a nightmare why would they even run bootcamps there, they’d get terrible results and it would reflect bad on the company. And yet they run bootcamps there and do just fine with girls that RVF’ers complain about. This just goes back to how you’re approaching social interactions and how you view women in general.

Here’s infield footage (near the start) of Tyler and a dentist buddy both talking to the same girl…the girl bitches out the dentist buddy for saying something sexual but then LOVES Tyler for the exact same thing:

Is it because Tyler is a SUPER SEXY RICH MALE MODEL? lol no, Tyler is just approaching with a better energy and better understanding of women than his buddy is.

At 2:16 in that video Tyler’s talking to a girl from Washington DC who LOVES him and all the sexual shit he’s saying and him making fun of her feminist career attitude, but then immediately after when his chode buddy has tried the same thing she bitches him out hardcore scolding him and Tyler even calls her out on the double-standard.

You can LITERALLY SEE how the energy you approach an interaction with changes the EXACT SAME GIRL’s behavior in these infield clips.

And yet guys like SD and hollenhund will continue to believe that women are all just stupid bitch cunt whorez and will never understand that yes, a lot of the time they run into that it IS the guy’s fault lol

Max’s origin is also a good story about how much guys who REALLY want this shit put into it. Everyone wants it nice and easy these days, but if you want to get good it could take actual effort and discomfort for a period of time.

But hey, it got him here:

And here’s Julien’s origin story:

And here’s part of Tyler’s origin story:

This is why I can’t remember who (Forge?), where he was like “my city sucks”, it’s like, so fucking MOVE lol Find a way to make it happen. If you aren’t happy and this is an important thing for you then figure out how to save up the money and manage your career in a way that you can put yourself in a better location (I know you’re working on it so I’m not bugging you right now or anything, I’m just using you as a relevant example ’cause you shared your story). Tyler slept on a mattress in a closet, RSDTodd slept in a tent in the Project Hollywood back yard. I used to micromanage my time so that I was able to work a 9-5 and sarge most nights (that’s why I can post like this but then vanish for weeks at a time, ’cause I have sick time management skills now lol).

It’s harder to make sacrifices if you’re like, a 40+ dude with an ex-wife and kids or a career locked down into one city. But like, if that’s NOT you? Then you can find a solution to your situation, and if you go out and sarge and get this shit handled the way you want to, it’s worth the sacrifice. You’re gonna be on your deathbed alone with your thoughts and memories and possible regrets.


Red Pill Parenting – Part II

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YaReally
on October 19th, 2015 at 5:15 pm
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On Roosh:

RSDMax just put up his “origin story”. He started gaming in Washington DC, the city that Roosh and his crew complain about NON-STOP as being the worst and having the worst bitchy femincunt lizard bitches etc etc

And yet, Max didn’t run into these same problems. I wonder why. You know how many conversations about feminism I’ve had with girls in the bar in my LIFE? Literally one, and it was hilarious and I almost fucked one of the girls in the group lol Because they don’t bring that shit up if you’re not approaching them with this weird “these bitches are all ungrateful man-hating entitled feminazi cunts” energy those guys have.

He even gives a shout out to Roosh’s article but doesn’t know his name (because the PUA community doesn’t really know or care about Roosh or the Manosphere because it’s all a bunch of negative complaining shit to us) and says “I read this article about how Washington DC is the worst city in the world to get laid and I was like wut I don’t get it I haven’t had any problems” lol

Were they gaming in different cities? No. When RSD runs bootcamps in DC are they in some alternate universe version of it that the RVF guys aren’t in? No. If DC was a nightmare why would they even run bootcamps there, they’d get terrible results and it would reflect bad on the company. And yet they run bootcamps there and do just fine with girls that RVF’ers complain about. This just goes back to how you’re approaching social interactions and how you view women in general.

Here’s infield footage (near the start) of Tyler and a dentist buddy both talking to the same girl…the girl bitches out the dentist buddy for saying something sexual but then LOVES Tyler for the exact same thing:

Is it because Tyler is a SUPER SEXY RICH MALE MODEL? lol no, Tyler is just approaching with a better energy and better understanding of women than his buddy is.

At 2:16 in that video Tyler’s talking to a girl from Washington DC who LOVES him and all the sexual shit he’s saying and him making fun of her feminist career attitude, but then immediately after when his chode buddy has tried the same thing she bitches him out hardcore scolding him and Tyler even calls her out on the double-standard.

You can LITERALLY SEE how the energy you approach an interaction with changes the EXACT SAME GIRL’s behavior in these infield clips.

And yet guys like SD and hollenhund will continue to believe that women are all just stupid bitch cunt whorez and will never understand that yes, a lot of the time they run into that it IS the guy’s fault lol

Max’s origin is also a good story about how much guys who REALLY want this shit put into it. Everyone wants it nice and easy these days, but if you want to get good it could take actual effort and discomfort for a period of time.

But hey, it got him here:

And here’s Julien’s origin story:

And here’s part of Tyler’s origin story:

This is why I can’t remember who (Forge?), where he was like “my city sucks”, it’s like, so fucking MOVE lol Find a way to make it happen. If you aren’t happy and this is an important thing for you then figure out how to save up the money and manage your career in a way that you can put yourself in a better location (I know you’re working on it so I’m not bugging you right now or anything, I’m just using you as a relevant example ’cause you shared your story). Tyler slept on a mattress in a closet, RSDTodd slept in a tent in the Project Hollywood back yard. I used to micromanage my time so that I was able to work a 9-5 and sarge most nights (that’s why I can post like this but then vanish for weeks at a time, ’cause I have sick time management skills now lol).

It’s harder to make sacrifices if you’re like, a 40+ dude with an ex-wife and kids or a career locked down into one city. But like, if that’s NOT you? Then you can find a solution to your situation, and if you go out and sarge and get this shit handled the way you want to, it’s worth the sacrifice. You’re gonna be on your deathbed alone with your thoughts and memories and possible regrets.


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@Jeremy
“I think women are especially guilty of this. Their projection knows no bounds. All they know is getting sex relatively easily, so when they see a good-looking/rich dude they often presume that guy gets a lot of tail.”

Solipsism in action. Solipsism and Hypergamy are the two major things that I’m grateful to Rollo for explaining. HUGE missing puzzle pieces that clear up so much shit.

“There is no comprehension in their pretty heads of innate male sacrifice or the uniquely male condition of having to perform, so they presume sexuality comes easily to men as it does to them.”

Thing is to paraphrase Tyler: “When you ask a girl how do you want a guy to approach you to get you into bed, she’s not picturing how does the 5’7″ balding ginger nasally voiced troll approach you, what would you want HIM to do to get you into bed? What would you want the socially awkward introverted World of Warcraft 300lbs nerd to do to get you into bed? She’s picturing someone WAY above her in value like her personal Brad Pitt ideal who makes her nervous and is some rich alpha male CEO she knows she doesn’t deserve (aka Twilight and 50 Shades and every other hollywood movie where the badass amazing lead guy goes for the plain jane mousey average girl)…so she says I just want him to be NICE, and tell me he really thinks I’m special and he likes me and ask me politely to dinner and be really nice to me. And then when some normal guy tries that she’s repulsed by him”

Below a certain SMV level, guys are invisible to women. They literally don’t register they exist. That’s why women are always talking about the rich white CEO patriarchy, they only see the rich CEO guys, they don’t register the plumber or the garbage man in their world view.

@Rollo
“However, more often than not what we want to attribute to blame is often the result of ignorance.”

Agree completely. Which is why I’m here ruining your blog comment section with 400 pages of stupid Tyler vids, because every post by a hollenhund or SD that goes unchallenged just builds momentum from like-minded guys and the lurkers reading want SO BAD to believe in those guys’ world view because it’s the view they already believe in that alleviates responsibility from them and lets them embrace a victim identity, that I HAVE to post PUA shit in hopes that those guys who are following this discussion stumble across that stuff and start learning and become less ignorant so that even if they don’t go the full PUA route, they at least learn enough to stop making retarded mistakes that land them in Deadbedrooms or as ForeverAloners.


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@Jeremy
“I think women are especially guilty of this. Their projection knows no bounds. All they know is getting sex relatively easily, so when they see a good-looking/rich dude they often presume that guy gets a lot of tail.”

Solipsism in action. Solipsism and Hypergamy are the two major things that I’m grateful to Rollo for explaining. HUGE missing puzzle pieces that clear up so much shit.

“There is no comprehension in their pretty heads of innate male sacrifice or the uniquely male condition of having to perform, so they presume sexuality comes easily to men as it does to them.”

Thing is to paraphrase Tyler: “When you ask a girl how do you want a guy to approach you to get you into bed, she’s not picturing how does the 5’7″ balding ginger nasally voiced troll approach you, what would you want HIM to do to get you into bed? What would you want the socially awkward introverted World of Warcraft 300lbs nerd to do to get you into bed? She’s picturing someone WAY above her in value like her personal Brad Pitt ideal who makes her nervous and is some rich alpha male CEO she knows she doesn’t deserve (aka Twilight and 50 Shades and every other hollywood movie where the badass amazing lead guy goes for the plain jane mousey average girl)…so she says I just want him to be NICE, and tell me he really thinks I’m special and he likes me and ask me politely to dinner and be really nice to me. And then when some normal guy tries that she’s repulsed by him”

Below a certain SMV level, guys are invisible to women. They literally don’t register they exist. That’s why women are always talking about the rich white CEO patriarchy, they only see the rich CEO guys, they don’t register the plumber or the garbage man in their world view.

@Rollo
“However, more often than not what we want to attribute to blame is often the result of ignorance.”

Agree completely. Which is why I’m here ruining your blog comment section with 400 pages of stupid Tyler vids, because every post by a hollenhund or SD that goes unchallenged just builds momentum from like-minded guys and the lurkers reading want SO BAD to believe in those guys’ world view because it’s the view they already believe in that alleviates responsibility from them and lets them embrace a victim identity, that I HAVE to post PUA shit in hopes that those guys who are following this discussion stumble across that stuff and start learning and become less ignorant so that even if they don’t go the full PUA route, they at least learn enough to stop making retarded mistakes that land them in Deadbedrooms or as ForeverAloners.


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“It’s not like men are routinely told in public discourse in no uncertain terms that whatever problems they have are solely their own fault, or that those aren’t actually real problems at all. Right?”

I mean he’s allowed to by the people he seeks refuge/help from ie – shitty negative communities of like-minded guys like yourself who encourage his victim-complex instead of helping him actually get out of the negativity spiral.


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“It’s not like men are routinely told in public discourse in no uncertain terms that whatever problems they have are solely their own fault, or that those aren’t actually real problems at all. Right?”

I mean he’s allowed to by the people he seeks refuge/help from ie – shitty negative communities of like-minded guys like yourself who encourage his victim-complex instead of helping him actually get out of the negativity spiral.


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@fleezer
“women don’t give a shit what your job is… ”

lol I know. I’m talking about when women are picturing the world, like when they’re writing their retarded feminist blog posts or you ask them about what kind of men they’re attracted to or they compare themselves to men, they’re comparing themselves to the rich CEO dude not the plumber.

@hollenhund
“pointing out the easily identifiable fact that false rape accusations do happen, result in real victimhood, and are caused by no one but the people who decide to file them, is “creating a victim narrative””

Again these can be prevented with proper understanding of chick psychology and how to prevent Buyer’s Remorse. Technically, if you own a dog and it poops on your couch, it’s the dog’s fault because he pooped…but it’s also kind of your fault for not house-training it to poop outside. Being angry at dogs and painting them all with the same brush and rejecting learning how to train dogs not to poop on your couch isn’t a real productive approach to life.

Roosh knows that guys who think like you will buy into his negative outlook…that’s his market niche. That’s why his RVF forum is such a heavily moderated hugbox while Rollo lets idiots like us argue all day lol Rollo is reaching out to help men in general.

@Rollo
“Yep. What’re you gonna do about it?”

Yup. Like ok, it’s unfair. Now what? Roll over and die? Run away from society? Spend your life bitching online about how unfair life is? Or learn, apply, and succeed. It’s up to you. We’ll offer tools to help if you want them. If you don’t, which you don’t, then best of luck.


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“women don’t give a shit what your job is… ”

lol I know. I’m talking about when women are picturing the world, like when they’re writing their retarded feminist blog posts or you ask them about what kind of men they’re attracted to or they compare themselves to men, they’re comparing themselves to the rich CEO dude not the plumber.

@hollenhund
“pointing out the easily identifiable fact that false rape accusations do happen, result in real victimhood, and are caused by no one but the people who decide to file them, is “creating a victim narrative””

Again these can be prevented with proper understanding of chick psychology and how to prevent Buyer’s Remorse. Technically, if you own a dog and it poops on your couch, it’s the dog’s fault because he pooped…but it’s also kind of your fault for not house-training it to poop outside. Being angry at dogs and painting them all with the same brush and rejecting learning how to train dogs not to poop on your couch isn’t a real productive approach to life.

Roosh knows that guys who think like you will buy into his negative outlook…that’s his market niche. That’s why his RVF forum is such a heavily moderated hugbox while Rollo lets idiots like us argue all day lol Rollo is reaching out to help men in general.

@Rollo
“Yep. What’re you gonna do about it?”

Yup. Like ok, it’s unfair. Now what? Roll over and die? Run away from society? Spend your life bitching online about how unfair life is? Or learn, apply, and succeed. It’s up to you. We’ll offer tools to help if you want them. If you don’t, which you don’t, then best of luck.


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@Rollo
I was wondering when someone would post the video where the super unstifled confident self-amused guy peacocking hardcore gets more positive attention than the normal guy in a scenario where girls are recorded on camera giving a self-survey as proof that looks matter lol

Better tell the girl at the start of this vid that she shouldn’t be into Tyler:

Or the chick at 7:05 in this video that she should go with the tall much better looking buff dudes that try to take Tyler’s girl:

Or any of the infield footage I can post of any of the guys who aren’t built like Hulk and who are pulling girls.

Ready to hear your explanations of how Tyler’s girl chooses Tyler over those guys. Like, let’s hear it, what do ya got? I’m legitimately open to explanations. But no one seems to ever offer explanations, just sarcasm. ;)

If the statement is “looks are important”, then if there’s even ONE VIDEO, let alone literally hundreds of videos, of guys without great looks getting girls, the statement “looks are important” is proven wrong. IT’s that simple. You can post 50 videos of guys with good looks getting girls, but as long as there are vids of guys without looks getting girls, especially getting them OVER guys with looks, there’s a flaw in your belief system that you aren’t offering explanations for.

You can’t just brush all the other examples that prove your statement wrong under the rug. It fascinates me that you’d be adamantly against that kind of “science” in any other area but when it comes to looks you embrace the blindspot and still have never offered up an explanation for how guys like Cupid Shmupid can exist if looks matter as much as you stress.

Like if you at least had an explanation that congruently aligned with what we see in all these videos and what I see in the field every night out, and that simultaneously reinforces your “looks matter” belief, I could go “oh that’s an interesting theory, let’s see how we can test that infield”. But you don’t. You just ignore all the stuff I can post that contradicts that belief.

So let’s hear it. How are the Simple Pickup guys doing it when they’re a bunch of skinny nerds when looks matter? And how are the Forever Alone guys at the MISC not getting laid?


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I was wondering when someone would post the video where the super unstifled confident self-amused guy peacocking hardcore gets more positive attention than the normal guy in a scenario where girls are recorded on camera giving a self-survey as proof that looks matter lol

Better tell the girl at the start of this vid that she shouldn’t be into Tyler:

Or the chick at 7:05 in this video that she should go with the tall much better looking buff dudes that try to take Tyler’s girl:

Or any of the infield footage I can post of any of the guys who aren’t built like Hulk and who are pulling girls.

Ready to hear your explanations of how Tyler’s girl chooses Tyler over those guys. Like, let’s hear it, what do ya got? I’m legitimately open to explanations. But no one seems to ever offer explanations, just sarcasm. πŸ˜‰

If the statement is “looks are important”, then if there’s even ONE VIDEO, let alone literally hundreds of videos, of guys without great looks getting girls, the statement “looks are important” is proven wrong. IT’s that simple. You can post 50 videos of guys with good looks getting girls, but as long as there are vids of guys without looks getting girls, especially getting them OVER guys with looks, there’s a flaw in your belief system that you aren’t offering explanations for.

You can’t just brush all the other examples that prove your statement wrong under the rug. It fascinates me that you’d be adamantly against that kind of “science” in any other area but when it comes to looks you embrace the blindspot and still have never offered up an explanation for how guys like Cupid Shmupid can exist if looks matter as much as you stress.

Like if you at least had an explanation that congruently aligned with what we see in all these videos and what I see in the field every night out, and that simultaneously reinforces your “looks matter” belief, I could go “oh that’s an interesting theory, let’s see how we can test that infield”. But you don’t. You just ignore all the stuff I can post that contradicts that belief.

So let’s hear it. How are the Simple Pickup guys doing it when they’re a bunch of skinny nerds when looks matter? And how are the Forever Alone guys at the MISC not getting laid?


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“here we go again, asking women instead of watching what they do. hey fish, what hooks should I use to catch you?”

lol that’s the part that’s funny to me.

Hey Rollo, I just found evidence that your whole Red Pill theory is wrong:

According to this highly scientifically accurate interview with women, since that’s the standard of evidence for some reason now, men should buy women drinks, not use cheesy pickup lines, “ask me hey how ya doing and ask how I am”, and just be yourself instead of trying to pick someone up and bring them home.

Now we just need some women in here to tell us that game doesn’t work so we can save everyone all this reading and teach guys to just compliment girls.

#ROLLOSCIENCE lol c’mon man.


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“here we go again, asking women instead of watching what they do. hey fish, what hooks should I use to catch you?”

lol that’s the part that’s funny to me.

Hey Rollo, I just found evidence that your whole Red Pill theory is wrong:

According to this highly scientifically accurate interview with women, since that’s the standard of evidence for some reason now, men should buy women drinks, not use cheesy pickup lines, “ask me hey how ya doing and ask how I am”, and just be yourself instead of trying to pick someone up and bring them home.

Now we just need some women in here to tell us that game doesn’t work so we can save everyone all this reading and teach guys to just compliment girls.

#ROLLOSCIENCE lol c’mon man.


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@rollo @redlight
“In the video they ask the woman what they want in a few ways, where’s the part where they attempt to hook up?”

This is kind of what I meant by like, I get that you see a LOT Rollo. But you don’t see the whole thing. You’ve seen the whole thing from the perspective of a Natural earlier in your life, and you get some field reports and stuff and I’m sure you know guys who go out and fill you in on stuff. But my buddies and I and all these guys in the PUA community who don’t have looks going for us, we’re all out there and we’re all competing with these guys multiple nights a week and we’re all gathering more realistic evidence than interview montages.

I could tell you a lot about your job, I’ve met a lot of dudes who work in promotional/marketing industries and I’ve hung with bottle models and stuff and I get the general jist of your job, I could try to guess the cost and overall process of arranging an event like that.

But I wouldn’t in a million years claim authority over you on how bottle promotion stuff actually plays out if you said “no, that’s not how it works, it’s actually like this” because you’re the guy who’s doing it on the regular and I’m just a guy who’s seeing a lot of the picture.

If you aren’t in clubs pulling <25yo's home to suck your dick, competing against better-looking AMOGs and stuff, you've only got part of the picture. That doesn't mean your opinion isn't useful but the guys who are going out regularly know what happens infield when shit is hitting the fan in the moment, sorry lol


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@rollo @redlight
“In the video they ask the woman what they want in a few ways, where’s the part where they attempt to hook up?”

This is kind of what I meant by like, I get that you see a LOT Rollo. But you don’t see the whole thing. You’ve seen the whole thing from the perspective of a Natural earlier in your life, and you get some field reports and stuff and I’m sure you know guys who go out and fill you in on stuff. But my buddies and I and all these guys in the PUA community who don’t have looks going for us, we’re all out there and we’re all competing with these guys multiple nights a week and we’re all gathering more realistic evidence than interview montages.

I could tell you a lot about your job, I’ve met a lot of dudes who work in promotional/marketing industries and I’ve hung with bottle models and stuff and I get the general jist of your job, I could try to guess the cost and overall process of arranging an event like that.

But I wouldn’t in a million years claim authority over you on how bottle promotion stuff actually plays out if you said “no, that’s not how it works, it’s actually like this” because you’re the guy who’s doing it on the regular and I’m just a guy who’s seeing a lot of the picture.

If you aren’t in clubs pulling <25yo's home to suck your dick, competing against better-looking AMOGs and stuff, you've only got part of the picture. That doesn't mean your opinion isn't useful but the guys who are going out regularly know what happens infield when shit is hitting the fan in the moment, sorry lol


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@rugby
“It’s coming here where actuall people I’ve mostly never meant call me out of my bullshit and lame excuses and allow me to learn about my ignorance and self rigthious habits and old white knighting beliefs. ”

Yup, Rollo’s comment section is excellent. This is literally the only place in the Manosphere I would send guys I want to help to. Everything else is too negative and hostile.

The problem with how general society handles it is they’ll tell men “it’s your fault and you should’ve somehow known better” but won’t say how to fix it and just expect you to figure it out if you’re inherently born a badass alpha and if you don’t figure it out that’s okay you’re some beta chode who should be weeded out of evolution anyway.

And a negative community will say “it’s not your fault, it’s those bitches fault, it’s everything else’s fault, it’s society’s fault too, it’s everyone’s fault but yours”

Whereas a positive community will say “look it’s techincally your fault, but you didn’t know better and now that you do here’s how you can fix it”.


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@rugby
“It’s coming here where actuall people I’ve mostly never meant call me out of my bullshit and lame excuses and allow me to learn about my ignorance and self rigthious habits and old white knighting beliefs. ”

Yup, Rollo’s comment section is excellent. This is literally the only place in the Manosphere I would send guys I want to help to. Everything else is too negative and hostile.

The problem with how general society handles it is they’ll tell men “it’s your fault and you should’ve somehow known better” but won’t say how to fix it and just expect you to figure it out if you’re inherently born a badass alpha and if you don’t figure it out that’s okay you’re some beta chode who should be weeded out of evolution anyway.

And a negative community will say “it’s not your fault, it’s those bitches fault, it’s everything else’s fault, it’s society’s fault too, it’s everyone’s fault but yours”

Whereas a positive community will say “look it’s techincally your fault, but you didn’t know better and now that you do here’s how you can fix it”.


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“If that’s so then the reverse would also be true, yes?”

No, that doesn’t make sense lol

If you have a box of blue balls and say “these balls are all blue” and I dig through that box and find a bunch of yellow balls under there, that doesn’t mean I’m saying “these balls are all yellow” it just means that your statement “these balls are all blue” is no longer accurate. Showing me more blue balls doesn’t make those yellow balls not exist, your statement will always be inaccurate.

“Therefore I would suggest that both Looks and Game are of at least some importance in arousal and attraction.”

Looks are about as important as any other tool in the Game toolbox. Remove looks and you can make up for it with preselection, social proof, dominance, tonality, DHV, teasing, negs, dread game, etc etc

Game is the toolbox, looks are simply another miscellaneous tool that adds a couple points but makes no real significant difference just like you don’t NEED to use negs or NEED to have social proof.

“And not for nothing, but you keep going back to the Forever Alone Misc’ers on Body Building.com well. Do they exist? Yes, but they are in the minority even on BB.com.”

It doesn’t matter if they’re the minority. Them existing means that looking like Hulk doesn’t mean you’re getting attraction. Whereas Game always gets attraction. Game and looks are not on the same level.

“I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying, and I understand your stress on guys learning Game before the overly concern themselves about looks, but looks are a factor.”

They’re a very minor factor that shouldn’t be elevated to an equivalent status as Game. I don’t know how many non-jacked newbies you’ve helped learn to pick up women but the majority of them will very happily jump on the bandwagon of “I’ll just hit the gym tonight and get more jacked instead of going out, because looks matter” because guys give looks too much credit when those guys would be getting laid if they just went out and worked on their game.

And I don’t know how many good-looking jacked newbies you’ve watched chode out from approaching a girl or gave up a girl because another guy in the room was slighlty better looking or more built than them, but you’d be surprised how often it happens because that guy thinks “well looks are as good as game and that guy has better looks so oh well”.

And I don’t know how many newbies you’ve seen smiling ear to ear the first time they take a hot girl off a better looking AMOG or keep their girl when a better looking AMOG tries to take her, but it’s a pretty awesome sight that changes their entire perspective lol

Trust the guys who are going out regularly and facing this stuff head-on. Looks are pretty much nothing unless, as I’ve said, you’re all just standing there or they’re looking at photos. Express your personality and run proper game and looks fly out the window. A guy is infinitely better off sharpening his game over hitting the gym.

“This guy didn’t say a word to her, but by her subcommunication do you think she’s DTF?”

If any of those other guys was talking to her and spiking her emotions she wouldn’t notice that guy. And if that guy executes a bunch of weak anti-game shit to her (weak tonality, indecisiveness, no dominance, asexuality, insecurity, seeking rapport, failing tests, etc) she won’t fuck him.

Tons of Keys to the VIP eps have good looking dudes who have massive attraction off the open and the guys drop the ball with their weak game and turn the girls off. You can see this any night out infield lol Throw hot girls at random good-looking guys and a lot of them will fuck it up just like that vid I linked before.


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“If that’s so then the reverse would also be true, yes?”

No, that doesn’t make sense lol

If you have a box of blue balls and say “these balls are all blue” and I dig through that box and find a bunch of yellow balls under there, that doesn’t mean I’m saying “these balls are all yellow” it just means that your statement “these balls are all blue” is no longer accurate. Showing me more blue balls doesn’t make those yellow balls not exist, your statement will always be inaccurate.

“Therefore I would suggest that both Looks and Game are of at least some importance in arousal and attraction.”

Looks are about as important as any other tool in the Game toolbox. Remove looks and you can make up for it with preselection, social proof, dominance, tonality, DHV, teasing, negs, dread game, etc etc

Game is the toolbox, looks are simply another miscellaneous tool that adds a couple points but makes no real significant difference just like you don’t NEED to use negs or NEED to have social proof.

“And not for nothing, but you keep going back to the Forever Alone Misc’ers on Body Building.com well. Do they exist? Yes, but they are in the minority even on BB.com.”

It doesn’t matter if they’re the minority. Them existing means that looking like Hulk doesn’t mean you’re getting attraction. Whereas Game always gets attraction. Game and looks are not on the same level.

“I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying, and I understand your stress on guys learning Game before the overly concern themselves about looks, but looks are a factor.”

They’re a very minor factor that shouldn’t be elevated to an equivalent status as Game. I don’t know how many non-jacked newbies you’ve helped learn to pick up women but the majority of them will very happily jump on the bandwagon of “I’ll just hit the gym tonight and get more jacked instead of going out, because looks matter” because guys give looks too much credit when those guys would be getting laid if they just went out and worked on their game.

And I don’t know how many good-looking jacked newbies you’ve watched chode out from approaching a girl or gave up a girl because another guy in the room was slighlty better looking or more built than them, but you’d be surprised how often it happens because that guy thinks “well looks are as good as game and that guy has better looks so oh well”.

And I don’t know how many newbies you’ve seen smiling ear to ear the first time they take a hot girl off a better looking AMOG or keep their girl when a better looking AMOG tries to take her, but it’s a pretty awesome sight that changes their entire perspective lol

Trust the guys who are going out regularly and facing this stuff head-on. Looks are pretty much nothing unless, as I’ve said, you’re all just standing there or they’re looking at photos. Express your personality and run proper game and looks fly out the window. A guy is infinitely better off sharpening his game over hitting the gym.

“This guy didn’t say a word to her, but by her subcommunication do you think she’s DTF?”

If any of those other guys was talking to her and spiking her emotions she wouldn’t notice that guy. And if that guy executes a bunch of weak anti-game shit to her (weak tonality, indecisiveness, no dominance, asexuality, insecurity, seeking rapport, failing tests, etc) she won’t fuck him.

Tons of Keys to the VIP eps have good looking dudes who have massive attraction off the open and the guys drop the ball with their weak game and turn the girls off. You can see this any night out infield lol Throw hot girls at random good-looking guys and a lot of them will fuck it up just like that vid I linked before.


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“What makes you think that good looking guys have no game !!?”

I’ve never said that. But it’s very common for good looking guys to not have game because they’re bought into the idea that their looks will make up for it. And they will, as long as there’s no obstacles, no interference, no other guys with game coming into their set, and the girl makes the moves. But in practice a lot of those guys will fuck it up hardcore lol

“You make it sound like ALL good looking men got no game!”

I’ve never said that.

“Or a rich guy got no game!”

Again, a guy with money will often try to rely on the money instead of bother to learn game. Not to mention the hours he had to work to earn that money. It doesn’t mean no rich guys have game, but a significant majority of them don’t.

“Or a muscular guy got no game!”

Same deal, they CAN have game, but those 2 hours in the gym followed by a good night’s sleep is a night they’re not out talking to girls.

“A good looking guy with game is better than fat unattractive guy with game.”

My point is that a good looking guy with game is a lot more rare than most people think or than Hollywood and social conditioning would have you believe.

“You come across as if only ugly fat poor men got game!”

I’ve never said that. But ugly fat poor men have more incentive to learn tight game. That’s why Tyler rapes everyone, because he’s an ugly little troll and he knows if he wants to take girls off those good looking guys (who as I’ve said will get laid if nobody interferes and there’s no obstacles etc), having tight game will do it.

“Yes, a fat guy’s wish( with a good game) is to LOSE weight.”

You’d be surprised lol A lot of guys getting laid don’t care about their weight because they’re getting laid so their brain goes “whatever I’m clearly doing fine fuck the gym I’ll call Vanessa over and get my horizontal cardio”

“I have a credibility issue with all field videos, a short fat guy showing his success only with the one he picked up, what about the clips of him being ignored by 10 other women!”

So go out and watch it happen yourself. I only link the videos because I can’t just push you all into nightclubs every night for a year and point out all the dynamics in action. I think the videos are all silly in general, like I think it’s silly that we even have to rely on videos because guys aren’t going out and trying to pull <25yo's to suck their dick and are just projecting theories and ideas and trying to discredit the thousands of hours of infield pickup footage on the net from hundreds of different individuals and companies some with no financial incentive at all.

But here we are on the internet comparing interviews asking fish how to catch them lol

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“What makes you think that good looking guys have no game !!?”

I’ve never said that. But it’s very common for good looking guys to not have game because they’re bought into the idea that their looks will make up for it. And they will, as long as there’s no obstacles, no interference, no other guys with game coming into their set, and the girl makes the moves. But in practice a lot of those guys will fuck it up hardcore lol

“You make it sound like ALL good looking men got no game!”

I’ve never said that.

“Or a rich guy got no game!”

Again, a guy with money will often try to rely on the money instead of bother to learn game. Not to mention the hours he had to work to earn that money. It doesn’t mean no rich guys have game, but a significant majority of them don’t.

“Or a muscular guy got no game!”

Same deal, they CAN have game, but those 2 hours in the gym followed by a good night’s sleep is a night they’re not out talking to girls.

“A good looking guy with game is better than fat unattractive guy with game.”

My point is that a good looking guy with game is a lot more rare than most people think or than Hollywood and social conditioning would have you believe.

“You come across as if only ugly fat poor men got game!”

I’ve never said that. But ugly fat poor men have more incentive to learn tight game. That’s why Tyler rapes everyone, because he’s an ugly little troll and he knows if he wants to take girls off those good looking guys (who as I’ve said will get laid if nobody interferes and there’s no obstacles etc), having tight game will do it.

“Yes, a fat guy’s wish( with a good game) is to LOSE weight.”

You’d be surprised lol A lot of guys getting laid don’t care about their weight because they’re getting laid so their brain goes “whatever I’m clearly doing fine fuck the gym I’ll call Vanessa over and get my horizontal cardio”

“I have a credibility issue with all field videos, a short fat guy showing his success only with the one he picked up, what about the clips of him being ignored by 10 other women!”

So go out and watch it happen yourself. I only link the videos because I can’t just push you all into nightclubs every night for a year and point out all the dynamics in action. I think the videos are all silly in general, like I think it’s silly that we even have to rely on videos because guys aren’t going out and trying to pull <25yo's to suck their dick and are just projecting theories and ideas and trying to discredit the thousands of hours of infield pickup footage on the net from hundreds of different individuals and companies some with no financial incentive at all.

But here we are on the internet comparing interviews asking fish how to catch them lol

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“When you get IOIs (eye contact, body language, etc.) from a woman you haven’t spoken to when you first enter a room there is something about your looks that means they are important to women.”

This is what I’m talking about. That’s where you end your conclusions. “He got an ioi so that’s basically sex.” There are a ton of ways he can fuck that ioi up without understanding game and there are a ton of ways you can get iois without looks. End result is that looks are irrelevant.

“but looks DO trigger interest in a way that places them above just being a tool in a tool box”

Like I’ve said, if you’re running passive game where no one interferes and the girl makes the moves and there’s no obstacles, ya, looks will get you laid.

As soon as you bring in ANY factors besides “look at this guy, would you fuck him based on his looks yes or no?” they become irrelevant.

Having a BMW will get you looks. Is having a BMW as important as hitting the gym to you? If not, why not? Why not promote that every man should buy a BMW? It doesn’t matter if a ferrari will also get him looks or if a guy on a moped can get laid, a BMW gives you iois so men should get BMWs. That’s the logic being promoted lol

“The first thing men report when they get into even marginally better shape, to say nothing of really great shape, is the amount of expressed sexual attraction they get from women.”

The first thing men report when they get a new shirt or new haircut or a new car is the amount of expressed sexual attraction they get from women. Is it that those things are inherently sexy? Or that getting those things boosts the guy’s opinion of himself (since he’s subscribed to society’s value system that tells him those things increase his value) and his subcommunications are more solid?

“You will get attention when you are in better shape;”

Attention is great, as long as no one interferes, there’s no obstacles, you don’t say or do anything to fuck it up, etc etc. They shouldn’t be a focus or a worry and don’t carry anywhere near the weight that having solid game carries.

“what you do with that when it comes time to capitalize on it is a question of Game.”

Then you agree that in the goal of “actually having sex with women”, not “having positive attention from women”, it comes down to game not looks. Getting positive attention is not getting laid.

Getting a guy to focus on his looks will get him lots of positive attention. And when he still can’t get his dick wet and joins the Forever Aloners or the rich good-looking guys who take RSD bootcamps or stand on death row at the bar every night, he’ll say “I don’t get it, I hit the gym and got jacked” and then you’ll have to tell him “oh well, it kind of comes down to game…so uhh sorry to throw you off like that and waste all that time whoops, now that you’re jacked you’re going to have to go learn game so you can turn that positive attention into actually sticking your dick inside something.”

I’m just trying to save guys that time and frustration that sending them down the looks path can lead to.

“So yes, that likely where a lot of Misc’ers screw themselves up, but they do get more IOI and attraction behaviors directed towards them as a result of getting themselves in better shape.”

Is the goal of pickup to get “positive attention and iois”, or “get your dick inside vaginas”? I suspect we both have different goals for men and that might be where the disconnect is lol

I have a buddy who’s super happy if he has a lot of positive attention from girls in a night. Because he has an LTR and has LTR sex lined up the next night. But for a single guy that positive attention doesn’t mean jack shit if it doesn’t translate into pussy. In fact it can make shit even worse because it’s like “I don’t get it, I had all this positive attention and I STILL can’t get laid!!! I must be a total fuck up :(”

Getting positive attention does not equal getting pussy. Converting positive attention to pussy takes game. So focus on learning game because you can generate positive attention through a dozen other faster easier ways like social proof, preselection, DHV’ing, leadership of men, etc etc etc

“So yes, Game is the most important aspect in attraction, but Looks are far more important than to be relegated to being a Game tool.”

Looks are far more important for getting positive attention, but for getting laid they don’t really matter.

@keyser Soze
“Lol, what kind of logic was that?!”

Math.

If you have 24 hours in a day, sleep for 8 that leaves 16. If you spend 10 of those working a very intense job because you want to be a rich CEO (looks, money, game!), you’ve got 6 left. If you spend 2 of those hitting the gym, you’ve got 4 left. You could go talk to girls for 4 hours but odds are after 10 hours of work and 2 hours at the gym you’re going to be too exhausted so you’re going to surf the net and go to sleep.

Some other guy has 24 hours in his day, sleeps for 8 so that leaves 16. He works a normal job for 8 hours because he doesn’t care about being a rich CEO and has 8 hours left. He doesn’t care about the gym and hasn’t worn himself out so he goes out with buddies and socializes for 6 hours, chatting up girls and sharpening his social skills.

In a week that rich jacked CEO has talked to a handful of girls at best, probably some chick at the office and maybe the front-desk girl at the gym (remember the gym is his sanctuary where he doesn’t hit on girls, MONK MODE BRAH!!) and he doesn’t try to fuck those girls because it would make his work/gym life awkward. He turns down a night out with his buddies because hey drinking is carbs. If he goes out for a cheat night, he leaves early ’cause he needs his sleep. But lets say he DOES chat up some girls on his night out, why not. He’s getting positive attention right? Maybe he gets into a few conversations. Gets a shit-test or two and fails and goes home alone.

In that same week that lazy bum learning game has gone out 5 or 6 nights, x6 hours a night, and easily been in dozens of interactions with different girls, guys, strangers, social situations, broken out of his comfort zone, etc etc.

When those two guys are 35 the rich jacked CEO can retire and have all the free time in the world…except he finds out “shit, I gotta learn game now” The other guy has to work and focus on his career but he’s had like 15 years of experience seducing women and sharpening his social skills.

Personally I’d rather men become the latter instead of the former. ’cause I see the former out at the bars all the time, wondering why buying rounds of shots for girls isn’t magically getting them and their weak game laid (unless they get the girl wasted enough lol it’s not a big coincidence a lot of the rich dudes offer booze/drug bribes to get girls to come to their afterparty).


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“When you get IOIs (eye contact, body language, etc.) from a woman you haven’t spoken to when you first enter a room there is something about your looks that means they are important to women.”

This is what I’m talking about. That’s where you end your conclusions. “He got an ioi so that’s basically sex.” There are a ton of ways he can fuck that ioi up without understanding game and there are a ton of ways you can get iois without looks. End result is that looks are irrelevant.

“but looks DO trigger interest in a way that places them above just being a tool in a tool box”

Like I’ve said, if you’re running passive game where no one interferes and the girl makes the moves and there’s no obstacles, ya, looks will get you laid.

As soon as you bring in ANY factors besides “look at this guy, would you fuck him based on his looks yes or no?” they become irrelevant.

Having a BMW will get you looks. Is having a BMW as important as hitting the gym to you? If not, why not? Why not promote that every man should buy a BMW? It doesn’t matter if a ferrari will also get him looks or if a guy on a moped can get laid, a BMW gives you iois so men should get BMWs. That’s the logic being promoted lol

“The first thing men report when they get into even marginally better shape, to say nothing of really great shape, is the amount of expressed sexual attraction they get from women.”

The first thing men report when they get a new shirt or new haircut or a new car is the amount of expressed sexual attraction they get from women. Is it that those things are inherently sexy? Or that getting those things boosts the guy’s opinion of himself (since he’s subscribed to society’s value system that tells him those things increase his value) and his subcommunications are more solid?

“You will get attention when you are in better shape;”

Attention is great, as long as no one interferes, there’s no obstacles, you don’t say or do anything to fuck it up, etc etc. They shouldn’t be a focus or a worry and don’t carry anywhere near the weight that having solid game carries.

“what you do with that when it comes time to capitalize on it is a question of Game.”

Then you agree that in the goal of “actually having sex with women”, not “having positive attention from women”, it comes down to game not looks. Getting positive attention is not getting laid.

Getting a guy to focus on his looks will get him lots of positive attention. And when he still can’t get his dick wet and joins the Forever Aloners or the rich good-looking guys who take RSD bootcamps or stand on death row at the bar every night, he’ll say “I don’t get it, I hit the gym and got jacked” and then you’ll have to tell him “oh well, it kind of comes down to game…so uhh sorry to throw you off like that and waste all that time whoops, now that you’re jacked you’re going to have to go learn game so you can turn that positive attention into actually sticking your dick inside something.”

I’m just trying to save guys that time and frustration that sending them down the looks path can lead to.

“So yes, that likely where a lot of Misc’ers screw themselves up, but they do get more IOI and attraction behaviors directed towards them as a result of getting themselves in better shape.”

Is the goal of pickup to get “positive attention and iois”, or “get your dick inside vaginas”? I suspect we both have different goals for men and that might be where the disconnect is lol

I have a buddy who’s super happy if he has a lot of positive attention from girls in a night. Because he has an LTR and has LTR sex lined up the next night. But for a single guy that positive attention doesn’t mean jack shit if it doesn’t translate into pussy. In fact it can make shit even worse because it’s like “I don’t get it, I had all this positive attention and I STILL can’t get laid!!! I must be a total fuck up :(”

Getting positive attention does not equal getting pussy. Converting positive attention to pussy takes game. So focus on learning game because you can generate positive attention through a dozen other faster easier ways like social proof, preselection, DHV’ing, leadership of men, etc etc etc

“So yes, Game is the most important aspect in attraction, but Looks are far more important than to be relegated to being a Game tool.”

Looks are far more important for getting positive attention, but for getting laid they don’t really matter.

@keyser Soze
“Lol, what kind of logic was that?!”

Math.

If you have 24 hours in a day, sleep for 8 that leaves 16. If you spend 10 of those working a very intense job because you want to be a rich CEO (looks, money, game!), you’ve got 6 left. If you spend 2 of those hitting the gym, you’ve got 4 left. You could go talk to girls for 4 hours but odds are after 10 hours of work and 2 hours at the gym you’re going to be too exhausted so you’re going to surf the net and go to sleep.

Some other guy has 24 hours in his day, sleeps for 8 so that leaves 16. He works a normal job for 8 hours because he doesn’t care about being a rich CEO and has 8 hours left. He doesn’t care about the gym and hasn’t worn himself out so he goes out with buddies and socializes for 6 hours, chatting up girls and sharpening his social skills.

In a week that rich jacked CEO has talked to a handful of girls at best, probably some chick at the office and maybe the front-desk girl at the gym (remember the gym is his sanctuary where he doesn’t hit on girls, MONK MODE BRAH!!) and he doesn’t try to fuck those girls because it would make his work/gym life awkward. He turns down a night out with his buddies because hey drinking is carbs. If he goes out for a cheat night, he leaves early ’cause he needs his sleep. But lets say he DOES chat up some girls on his night out, why not. He’s getting positive attention right? Maybe he gets into a few conversations. Gets a shit-test or two and fails and goes home alone.

In that same week that lazy bum learning game has gone out 5 or 6 nights, x6 hours a night, and easily been in dozens of interactions with different girls, guys, strangers, social situations, broken out of his comfort zone, etc etc.

When those two guys are 35 the rich jacked CEO can retire and have all the free time in the world…except he finds out “shit, I gotta learn game now” The other guy has to work and focus on his career but he’s had like 15 years of experience seducing women and sharpening his social skills.

Personally I’d rather men become the latter instead of the former. ’cause I see the former out at the bars all the time, wondering why buying rounds of shots for girls isn’t magically getting them and their weak game laid (unless they get the girl wasted enough lol it’s not a big coincidence a lot of the rich dudes offer booze/drug bribes to get girls to come to their afterparty).


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@Rollo
“Those two examples are only extraordinary because the operative environment is one in which Looks set the baseline.”

My argument is that those two examples are NOT extraordinary if you’re going out multiple nights a week and paying attention. Hollywood and social conditioning and guys who don’t go out regularly will convince people that those examples are extraordinary but they’re not. That’s why I say your sampling is limited.

“As I said in the prior thread, women don’t masturbate to the fantasy of a guy who’s funny and a great conversationalist, they get off on the image of Chris Hemsworth.”

Ya, I fantasize about sticking my dick in Angelina Jolie in her prime but I’ll happily fuck a girl who doesn’t look like her. Who cares what they get off to? This is fluff. Do you seriously think every girl is only fucking her dream guy and if she isn’t fucking Brad Pitt she isn’t enjoying the sex and isn’t actually into the guy because he’s not what she pictured in her fantasies? What even is this logic lol

I’m sure no one dreams of eating at McDonald’s but if you wave some delicious McD’s fries in front of someone they’ll scarf them down with a smile on their face.

“Just like you were saying, Tyler is this ginger schlub who by all accounts shouldn’t be getting laid with the caliber of women he reportedly does; why is that incredible?”

It’s NOT incredible. To guys like myself who go out. But I know it’s incredible to guys who believe in the looks matter paradigm you’re promoting so I use it as an example of “holy shit look at this” because I know they can’t explain it and it fucks with what they thought when they see a girl turn down tall jacked jocks for ugly Tyler.

I, and guys who go out and do pickup regularly, look at a guy like Tyler and see his subcomms and think “obviously this guy would get laid, that’s no surprise at all”. That’s almost the in-joke of the whole infield footage thing, is that as PUAs we know this is nothing special or extraordinary if you go out regularly and learn game and compete with better looking dudes to get your dick in pussy instead of for passive “positive attention”. But we all know it blows the “normal people”s minds and gets them to sign up for bootcamps etc.

Tyler would be the first to tell you he isn’t even doing anything special, it’s just normal that guys with good game get attraction.

The socially conditioned belief that looks matter is what makes these clips “extraordinary” even though I can link hundreds of them…if enough guys went out and recorded infield footage and I could link you 3 billion examples of it you’d still go “nope those are just outliers sorry”.

“It’s remarkable because looks ARE an important factor in attraction. If they weren’t no one would blink an eye over Tyler getting with an HB9 using good Game.”

My argument is that the only people who blink an eye are the people who aren’t going out and competing with better-looking guys for sticking their dick inside girls lol

That’s why I keep saying go out go out go out. Because all of this stuff is out there. If you go out regularly you’ll see ugly/average guys with game pull all the time, it’s not a big deal at all. It’s only a big deal if you aren’t going out and subscribe to the idea that looks matter. And Tyler knows that, that’s why he promotes his company with the footage lol


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@Rollo
“Those two examples are only extraordinary because the operative environment is one in which Looks set the baseline.”

My argument is that those two examples are NOT extraordinary if you’re going out multiple nights a week and paying attention. Hollywood and social conditioning and guys who don’t go out regularly will convince people that those examples are extraordinary but they’re not. That’s why I say your sampling is limited.

“As I said in the prior thread, women don’t masturbate to the fantasy of a guy who’s funny and a great conversationalist, they get off on the image of Chris Hemsworth.”

Ya, I fantasize about sticking my dick in Angelina Jolie in her prime but I’ll happily fuck a girl who doesn’t look like her. Who cares what they get off to? This is fluff. Do you seriously think every girl is only fucking her dream guy and if she isn’t fucking Brad Pitt she isn’t enjoying the sex and isn’t actually into the guy because he’s not what she pictured in her fantasies? What even is this logic lol

I’m sure no one dreams of eating at McDonald’s but if you wave some delicious McD’s fries in front of someone they’ll scarf them down with a smile on their face.

“Just like you were saying, Tyler is this ginger schlub who by all accounts shouldn’t be getting laid with the caliber of women he reportedly does; why is that incredible?”

It’s NOT incredible. To guys like myself who go out. But I know it’s incredible to guys who believe in the looks matter paradigm you’re promoting so I use it as an example of “holy shit look at this” because I know they can’t explain it and it fucks with what they thought when they see a girl turn down tall jacked jocks for ugly Tyler.

I, and guys who go out and do pickup regularly, look at a guy like Tyler and see his subcomms and think “obviously this guy would get laid, that’s no surprise at all”. That’s almost the in-joke of the whole infield footage thing, is that as PUAs we know this is nothing special or extraordinary if you go out regularly and learn game and compete with better looking dudes to get your dick in pussy instead of for passive “positive attention”. But we all know it blows the “normal people”s minds and gets them to sign up for bootcamps etc.

Tyler would be the first to tell you he isn’t even doing anything special, it’s just normal that guys with good game get attraction.

The socially conditioned belief that looks matter is what makes these clips “extraordinary” even though I can link hundreds of them…if enough guys went out and recorded infield footage and I could link you 3 billion examples of it you’d still go “nope those are just outliers sorry”.

“It’s remarkable because looks ARE an important factor in attraction. If they weren’t no one would blink an eye over Tyler getting with an HB9 using good Game.”

My argument is that the only people who blink an eye are the people who aren’t going out and competing with better-looking guys for sticking their dick inside girls lol

That’s why I keep saying go out go out go out. Because all of this stuff is out there. If you go out regularly you’ll see ugly/average guys with game pull all the time, it’s not a big deal at all. It’s only a big deal if you aren’t going out and subscribe to the idea that looks matter. And Tyler knows that, that’s why he promotes his company with the footage lol


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“I can look at the women and see the objectively poor social skills”

Why do you expect women to have good social skills?

Seriously. That’s not a sarcastic question.

What incentive in society is there for women to have good social skills, and in a society where men chase women based primarily on their looks, in what way does having good social skills increase their chance of landing a baby from an alpha?

There’s no incentive and no benefit. As men we have incentive and benefit to have good social skills, but why would women have them anymore than a dog would learn to do your taxes?

SO again: why do you expect them to have good social skills? They aren’t living up to your expectation, but your expectation is based on the same misguided notion that expecting a dog to do your taxes is based on. Are you disappointed in a dog when he can’t do your taxes? No, because it’s silly to expect that of him.

Your expectation of them to have good social skills is based in the idea that women are basically men with tits and should bring the same value to the table in terms of social skills that a man is required to bring.

“and the plain inability to talk about anything that doesn’t bore the shit out of most men””

Why do you expect them to be able to talk about stuff that doesn’t bore the shit out of most men? Will not being able to talk about interesting shit make the horny alpha dude NOT want to fuck an HB10? So why WOULD she be able to talk about shit that isn’t boring?

Your expectation of her to talk about shit that isn’t boring is based in the idea that women are basically men with tits and should bring the same value to the table in terms of being able to talk about interesting shit that a man is required to bring.

Understand what I’m saying? Women are not failing, you are setting standards for them that they were never capable of or incentivized to achieve.

It’s not your fault, this was socially conditioned into you. It’s the same mechanic behind why feminists are surprised women aren’t all CEOs and STEM classes aren’t overflowing with women…they were brought up to believe that women wanted something they don’t actually want or have reason to want and now they’re surprised that women aren’t achieving that thing they never had the interest or ability to achieve in the first place.


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@A Definite Beta Guy
“I can look at the women and see the objectively poor social skills”

Why do you expect women to have good social skills?

Seriously. That’s not a sarcastic question.

What incentive in society is there for women to have good social skills, and in a society where men chase women based primarily on their looks, in what way does having good social skills increase their chance of landing a baby from an alpha?

There’s no incentive and no benefit. As men we have incentive and benefit to have good social skills, but why would women have them anymore than a dog would learn to do your taxes?

SO again: why do you expect them to have good social skills? They aren’t living up to your expectation, but your expectation is based on the same misguided notion that expecting a dog to do your taxes is based on. Are you disappointed in a dog when he can’t do your taxes? No, because it’s silly to expect that of him.

Your expectation of them to have good social skills is based in the idea that women are basically men with tits and should bring the same value to the table in terms of social skills that a man is required to bring.

“and the plain inability to talk about anything that doesn’t bore the shit out of most men””

Why do you expect them to be able to talk about stuff that doesn’t bore the shit out of most men? Will not being able to talk about interesting shit make the horny alpha dude NOT want to fuck an HB10? So why WOULD she be able to talk about shit that isn’t boring?

Your expectation of her to talk about shit that isn’t boring is based in the idea that women are basically men with tits and should bring the same value to the table in terms of being able to talk about interesting shit that a man is required to bring.

Understand what I’m saying? Women are not failing, you are setting standards for them that they were never capable of or incentivized to achieve.

It’s not your fault, this was socially conditioned into you. It’s the same mechanic behind why feminists are surprised women aren’t all CEOs and STEM classes aren’t overflowing with women…they were brought up to believe that women wanted something they don’t actually want or have reason to want and now they’re surprised that women aren’t achieving that thing they never had the interest or ability to achieve in the first place.


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@keyser Soze
“That CEO is fucking his secretary (and other sluts at work ,he doesn’t need to go clubbing) .”

Yes. In the movies and on Mad Men he is. In reality he’s getting a lot of positive attention from those chicks but fucking them is a lawsuit that will tank his company.

“looks with game does a much better results with HB9/10s.”

Looks with game is super. But guys with both are incredibly rare. I’ve met ONE guy with looks AND crazy solid game. Dude had iois everywhere he went and slaughtered pussy left and right (but if I was 0.0001% more on than him on a night out, I could take girls off him lol ’cause as a Natural he had great game but still had blindspots that Naturals have with state management and relying on approach invites and not really consciously understanding social proof etc).

And I’m LOOKING for guys with looks and game when I’m out because they are a blast to go sarge with. But they’re rare. There are a whole lot of good-looking guys who TALK a big game though lol You can go out or you can watch Keys to the VIP and compare how the guys talk in their profile about their game and how they actually do once they hit the club and have to deal with any kind of obstacles.


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@keyser Soze
“That CEO is fucking his secretary (and other sluts at work ,he doesn’t need to go clubbing) .”

Yes. In the movies and on Mad Men he is. In reality he’s getting a lot of positive attention from those chicks but fucking them is a lawsuit that will tank his company.

“looks with game does a much better results with HB9/10s.”

Looks with game is super. But guys with both are incredibly rare. I’ve met ONE guy with looks AND crazy solid game. Dude had iois everywhere he went and slaughtered pussy left and right (but if I was 0.0001% more on than him on a night out, I could take girls off him lol ’cause as a Natural he had great game but still had blindspots that Naturals have with state management and relying on approach invites and not really consciously understanding social proof etc).

And I’m LOOKING for guys with looks and game when I’m out because they are a blast to go sarge with. But they’re rare. There are a whole lot of good-looking guys who TALK a big game though lol You can go out or you can watch Keys to the VIP and compare how the guys talk in their profile about their game and how they actually do once they hit the club and have to deal with any kind of obstacles.


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Whoops that last paragraph should read “There are a whole lot of good-looking guys who TALK a big game and get positive attention when they go out though lol”


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Whoops that last paragraph should read “There are a whole lot of good-looking guys who TALK a big game and get positive attention when they go out though lol”


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@CaveClown
“Don’t ever fuck someone on the payroll. Holy shit that is a bad idea.”

lol like I say, it looks AWESOME on Mad Men. But I deal with reality, not socially conditioned fantasy. And in reality Mad Men is a fantasy lol

The non-payroll girls these days are risky too, with how social media witch-hunting has gone wild. Just look at any of the celebs getting their “asleep after fucking her” selfies posted or text/Tinder/etc convos posted by chicks seeking attention.

I use a fake name and career at the bar, and I’m not even an important guy lol


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“Don’t ever fuck someone on the payroll. Holy shit that is a bad idea.”

lol like I say, it looks AWESOME on Mad Men. But I deal with reality, not socially conditioned fantasy. And in reality Mad Men is a fantasy lol

The non-payroll girls these days are risky too, with how social media witch-hunting has gone wild. Just look at any of the celebs getting their “asleep after fucking her” selfies posted or text/Tinder/etc convos posted by chicks seeking attention.

I use a fake name and career at the bar, and I’m not even an important guy lol


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@keyser Soze
“Oh yeah, there are lots of CEO like Bill Clinton who didn’t care.”

And how’d that work out lol And how would it work for any guy with less status than the POTUS?

@Sun Wukong
“The problem with Game is that a lot of us that aren’t Greek Gods are also social spergtards unable to get over the thirst, unable to get past the old failures and frustration, and unable to make any progress socially.”

All good man, we all hit that spot. Even guys good at pickup go through spells of that shit.

But remember we can’t help you without Field Reports. Field Reports are where we can spot patterns and sticking points that you can’t see because you’re too close to the source or don’t have the reference experiences to see them yet. When we can see patterns in your Field Reports we can say “hey man, it looks like you’re doing this when you should be doing this other thing instead and try adding a bit of this new thing in there too, let us know how that goes!” and help shorten your progress.

Check Scray’s FR’s on my archive, he posted Field Reports every couple months (I recommend as often as possible especially if you’re in the middle of a plateau or frustrating situation…if things are going well there’s not much need to throw up FRs unless you’re just looking for an edge lol) and I helped break them down:

http://yareallyarchive.com/scray/2012/11/

His first post (he’s a shorty too btw, can’t remember how tall like 5’6″ or something?):

“I’m getting into a space where it’s starting to feel hopeless. I recently started sarging, and my approach count is still low—a solid 30….but, as anyone can guess, the success rate thus far is zero. Rejection now feels like I have zero value to these people as a man, and while I’m thankful for the red pill…it still hits hard.

Reading stories like the above just makes me more depressed. The impression is that unless you are alpha, either you will get completely shut out of the sexual marketplace or marry a lying slut. It’s also difficult to remain a non-misogynist, as more and more topics discussed on this blog are confirmed by experience—-mainly the zero-accountability, value-sucking existence women are allowed to live, even undesirable women.”

A year later:

“And the fact that I’m saying this from a perspective of ‘ you -have- to be better than, do this’ is obvious that I haven’t really internalized this level yet. I’m just working toward it. I’ve gotten to a place where I’m a cool guy who seems well-liked — that’s new. I like it. I feel like I’m a part of the world. The next jump is to learn how to conquer the world. /w3rd”

And a year after that:

” never thought it would happen to me but it’s happening. Just the natural slow slide into not giving a shit. I guess you just start noticing patterns after doing this for awhile.

Now I’m just naturally chill and aloof with my fbs— mainly because I’m like “what, are we going to embark on some attempt at disneyland relationship time? the same shit ends up happening eventually and there’s no reason for me to do that unless I literally think she’s such a great and unique person worth tying myself down to.” Never thought I’d say it, but it’s true.

I hadn’t talked to one of them for like 3 weeks. She’s been texting me but I haven’t texted back. The last time I talked to her, she was just kind of irrational and annoying. Nothing that really pissed me off. But when you’re in a place of abundance, you just think ‘oh yeah the last time I talked to them, they were annoying, not worth the time tonight.’ Enough time passes to where ‘okay I don’t have anything to do tonight and that was a long time ago, I guess I can give this a whirl.’ And then, without even realizing it, you have executed the soft Next.

Fucking blew my mind.

Also….
sometimes I believe that criticisms can be compliments. For example, at a recent gathering someone told me that I wasn’t fun anymore or that I used to be more fun and that I looked nice.

I just interpreted that to mean that they thought I was more attractive than before and not a dancing monkey and that they were adjusting.

I was right. They tried to make out with me at the end of the night (I didn’t go for it…she was like a 5.5).”

Even from his writing style you can tell his life/results changed. If I remember right his first Field Report he was like just standing awkwardly in front of girls on the dance floor trying to say words and they turned their backs on him with a sneer lol

But to help we need to know what you’re doing out there, and to know what you’re doing out there we need play by play Field Reports of your interactions. You got a big community of dudes here who all want you to succeed yo, take advantage of ’em :)

Just remember to keep it anonymous and follow my FR tips here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/10/#comment-rationalmale-122435


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@keyser Soze
“Oh yeah, there are lots of CEO like Bill Clinton who didn’t care.”

And how’d that work out lol And how would it work for any guy with less status than the POTUS?

@Sun Wukong
“The problem with Game is that a lot of us that aren’t Greek Gods are also social spergtards unable to get over the thirst, unable to get past the old failures and frustration, and unable to make any progress socially.”

All good man, we all hit that spot. Even guys good at pickup go through spells of that shit.

But remember we can’t help you without Field Reports. Field Reports are where we can spot patterns and sticking points that you can’t see because you’re too close to the source or don’t have the reference experiences to see them yet. When we can see patterns in your Field Reports we can say “hey man, it looks like you’re doing this when you should be doing this other thing instead and try adding a bit of this new thing in there too, let us know how that goes!” and help shorten your progress.

Check Scray’s FR’s on my archive, he posted Field Reports every couple months (I recommend as often as possible especially if you’re in the middle of a plateau or frustrating situation…if things are going well there’s not much need to throw up FRs unless you’re just looking for an edge lol) and I helped break them down:

http://yareallyarchive.com/scray/2012/11/

His first post (he’s a shorty too btw, can’t remember how tall like 5’6″ or something?):

“I’m getting into a space where it’s starting to feel hopeless. I recently started sarging, and my approach count is still low—a solid 30….but, as anyone can guess, the success rate thus far is zero. Rejection now feels like I have zero value to these people as a man, and while I’m thankful for the red pill…it still hits hard.

Reading stories like the above just makes me more depressed. The impression is that unless you are alpha, either you will get completely shut out of the sexual marketplace or marry a lying slut. It’s also difficult to remain a non-misogynist, as more and more topics discussed on this blog are confirmed by experience—-mainly the zero-accountability, value-sucking existence women are allowed to live, even undesirable women.”

A year later:

“And the fact that I’m saying this from a perspective of ‘ you -have- to be better than, do this’ is obvious that I haven’t really internalized this level yet. I’m just working toward it. I’ve gotten to a place where I’m a cool guy who seems well-liked — that’s new. I like it. I feel like I’m a part of the world. The next jump is to learn how to conquer the world. /w3rd”

And a year after that:

” never thought it would happen to me but it’s happening. Just the natural slow slide into not giving a shit. I guess you just start noticing patterns after doing this for awhile.

Now I’m just naturally chill and aloof with my fbs— mainly because I’m like “what, are we going to embark on some attempt at disneyland relationship time? the same shit ends up happening eventually and there’s no reason for me to do that unless I literally think she’s such a great and unique person worth tying myself down to.” Never thought I’d say it, but it’s true.

I hadn’t talked to one of them for like 3 weeks. She’s been texting me but I haven’t texted back. The last time I talked to her, she was just kind of irrational and annoying. Nothing that really pissed me off. But when you’re in a place of abundance, you just think ‘oh yeah the last time I talked to them, they were annoying, not worth the time tonight.’ Enough time passes to where ‘okay I don’t have anything to do tonight and that was a long time ago, I guess I can give this a whirl.’ And then, without even realizing it, you have executed the soft Next.

Fucking blew my mind.

Also….
sometimes I believe that criticisms can be compliments. For example, at a recent gathering someone told me that I wasn’t fun anymore or that I used to be more fun and that I looked nice.

I just interpreted that to mean that they thought I was more attractive than before and not a dancing monkey and that they were adjusting.

I was right. They tried to make out with me at the end of the night (I didn’t go for it…she was like a 5.5).”

Even from his writing style you can tell his life/results changed. If I remember right his first Field Report he was like just standing awkwardly in front of girls on the dance floor trying to say words and they turned their backs on him with a sneer lol

But to help we need to know what you’re doing out there, and to know what you’re doing out there we need play by play Field Reports of your interactions. You got a big community of dudes here who all want you to succeed yo, take advantage of ’emπŸ™‚

Just remember to keep it anonymous and follow my FR tips here:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/10/#comment-rationalmale-122435


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@Sun Wukong
“No FRs because there were no approaches this weekend. No approaches because I still can’t find a place enough enough cute, young chicks to be worth trying.”

If you want to try to hack the bar scene a bit:

Something to give a try would be googling your city’s industry night venue (there’s always one) and hitting that up and just focusing on just chatting and shooting the shit with the dudes there. If you want to get social proof in a city fast, being social with guys on industry night is one of the fastest ways. Don’t even focus on the waitress chicks that’ll be there (’cause the guys will probably be protecting them if you don’t have group approval first and once you have group approval the chicks will likely be curious about you lol). Expect a cliquish but friendly crowd (they’re service industry so it’s their job to be social) but just focus on being outgoing with the guys and they should accept you.

Do that 2 or 3 weeks in a row and you should have a handful of friendly faces around the bars there. Then at least when you’re going to these shitty venues you’ve got some social proof with the high-value people there. Could make things easier and make girls give you less shit and might get you a shot with some waitresses.

Any luck looking into daygame? Bookstores, campuses, libraries, parks, malls, there’s gotta be something around there with some decent chicks.

“I’m really not quite sure how to get out of this funk, but approaching while I’m in it is just going to be a negative feedback loop.”

Masturbate furiously for a week? lol kiddingnotkidding


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@Sun Wukong
“No FRs because there were no approaches this weekend. No approaches because I still can’t find a place enough enough cute, young chicks to be worth trying.”

If you want to try to hack the bar scene a bit:

Something to give a try would be googling your city’s industry night venue (there’s always one) and hitting that up and just focusing on just chatting and shooting the shit with the dudes there. If you want to get social proof in a city fast, being social with guys on industry night is one of the fastest ways. Don’t even focus on the waitress chicks that’ll be there (’cause the guys will probably be protecting them if you don’t have group approval first and once you have group approval the chicks will likely be curious about you lol). Expect a cliquish but friendly crowd (they’re service industry so it’s their job to be social) but just focus on being outgoing with the guys and they should accept you.

Do that 2 or 3 weeks in a row and you should have a handful of friendly faces around the bars there. Then at least when you’re going to these shitty venues you’ve got some social proof with the high-value people there. Could make things easier and make girls give you less shit and might get you a shot with some waitresses.

Any luck looking into daygame? Bookstores, campuses, libraries, parks, malls, there’s gotta be something around there with some decent chicks.

“I’m really not quite sure how to get out of this funk, but approaching while I’m in it is just going to be a negative feedback loop.”

Masturbate furiously for a week? lol kiddingnotkidding


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@A Definite Beta Guy
“As men we have incentive and benefit to have good social skills

This is inaccurate. We wouldn’t be having this conversation otherwise.”

Our social skills allow us to display leadership of men, dominance, social proof and preselection, value in general, etc. so it benefits us to have them.

“Yesterday, my 2 year old niece told me she wants to be Belle, because she has the prettiest shoes out of all the Disney Princesses. Do I really sound like the guy buying into the equalitarian fantasies?”

Yes, when it comes to older women who you expect to not have like a Disney pillow in their room that their uncle bought them when they were 2 lol You’re expecting them to be like men and improve themselves and bring something more to the table than what your 2 year old niece brings.

“The fact that women are not incentivized correctly does not mean they are not failing.”

I mean, that’s technically true. But then you’re failing at flying to the moon right now. You’re also failing and building me a yatch. And you’re failing at riding a dinosaur.

They’re technically true, but it’s silly and unrealistic of me to expect you to do those things in the first place.

“See: Teacher’s Unions. I don’t give a damn they are not “incentivized,” they are failing to teach my kids. FAIL. It means, NOT DOING THE JOB.”

Their job is to teach kids. A woman’s “job” is not to “be interesting and have good social skills”. She doesn’t owe you anything. She could just sit and stare at a wall all day silently if she wants.

“Women have a social JOB to do.”

No, you or the programming you’ve received has decided they do. Just like I might decide your job is to fly to the moon and then get mad at you because you’re failing at it.

How many guys wouldn’t fuck an HB10 who’s begging for your dick because she doesn’t have a big social circle or because she committed some social faux pas in public or wasn’t very interesting to talk to? Pretty much none lol If a smokin hot girl has good social skills she might be able to work her way up to having access to higher-value men but even then it’s going to come down to her looks most of the time.

You want her to do a job she has no reason to do because it benefits YOU for her to do it, just like I might want you to fly to the moon because it benefits me, but that’s not how life works.

“I feel no need to argue on this blog that women have a job to do, and I feel no need to argue that, yes, women can fail that job”

Dunno what to tell you then. There are things that a lot of men would like women to do, but at the end of the day there are enough thirsty men to fuck that impolite boring HB10 if she lets them. That’s just reality.

“This isn’t asking my dog to do taxes, this are basic social skills that are synergistic with women’s biological make-up and have been the expectation of women in all functioning societies.”

In previous societies where women were shamed for fucking everything they swipe right on on Tinder, yes, it benefitted them to have social skills and be interesting conversationalists. That’s not the world we live in in 2015. In 2015 she can be the shittiest most unpleasant fuck, she can even be 300lbs, and she’ll still find thirsty guys who will fuck her. And the sad part is that a lot of those guys will be good looking high-value dudes who just don’t have game and don’t know how to meet girls. Hi, Mark Zuckerberg!

You have an outdated mentality based on old ideas that social media and technology has destroyed. Adapt to the current reality.

“You are simply glossing over the agency of women”

I’m not glossing over it. Women will do what benefits achieving their biological Survival and Replication goals based on the data their brains are fed. Right now society is feeding them shitty data so they’re choosing careers over children and trying to provide their own Survival, and men are thirsty enough and technology has connected those thirsty men to them easily enough that they will literally NEVER not have access to Providers or Lovers for Replication.

“and the character change in the last few decades. If you don’t care about that, fine, but that doesn’t make it irrelevant.”

I’m not saying it’s irrelevant. I’m saying the source of your frustrations comes from holding onto ideals that haven’t been updated to reflect current reality.

The only way women will decide they need to develop social skills and be interesting conversationalists is when they can’t land high enough Lovers and Providers without those things. In the past, they had a selection of men in their city and their social skills and interesting conversation could help them work their way up to higher-value men.

But right now AAA celebrities will message them on Instagram, with no fucks given about their social skills or conversation skills. Welcome to 2015, there’s no going back.

“BTW, what are you going to do if Bad Game gets criminalized? Just tell men not to do Bad Game? Because that contradicts experimenting and learning and failing in order to develop Good Game.”

They’ll have a tougher time learning game if something like that happens, that’s for sure. I don’t envy ’em lol But men will figure out a solution like we always do.


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“As men we have incentive and benefit to have good social skills

This is inaccurate. We wouldn’t be having this conversation otherwise.”

Our social skills allow us to display leadership of men, dominance, social proof and preselection, value in general, etc. so it benefits us to have them.

“Yesterday, my 2 year old niece told me she wants to be Belle, because she has the prettiest shoes out of all the Disney Princesses. Do I really sound like the guy buying into the equalitarian fantasies?”

Yes, when it comes to older women who you expect to not have like a Disney pillow in their room that their uncle bought them when they were 2 lol You’re expecting them to be like men and improve themselves and bring something more to the table than what your 2 year old niece brings.

“The fact that women are not incentivized correctly does not mean they are not failing.”

I mean, that’s technically true. But then you’re failing at flying to the moon right now. You’re also failing and building me a yatch. And you’re failing at riding a dinosaur.

They’re technically true, but it’s silly and unrealistic of me to expect you to do those things in the first place.

“See: Teacher’s Unions. I don’t give a damn they are not “incentivized,” they are failing to teach my kids. FAIL. It means, NOT DOING THE JOB.”

Their job is to teach kids. A woman’s “job” is not to “be interesting and have good social skills”. She doesn’t owe you anything. She could just sit and stare at a wall all day silently if she wants.

“Women have a social JOB to do.”

No, you or the programming you’ve received has decided they do. Just like I might decide your job is to fly to the moon and then get mad at you because you’re failing at it.

How many guys wouldn’t fuck an HB10 who’s begging for your dick because she doesn’t have a big social circle or because she committed some social faux pas in public or wasn’t very interesting to talk to? Pretty much none lol If a smokin hot girl has good social skills she might be able to work her way up to having access to higher-value men but even then it’s going to come down to her looks most of the time.

You want her to do a job she has no reason to do because it benefits YOU for her to do it, just like I might want you to fly to the moon because it benefits me, but that’s not how life works.

“I feel no need to argue on this blog that women have a job to do, and I feel no need to argue that, yes, women can fail that job”

Dunno what to tell you then. There are things that a lot of men would like women to do, but at the end of the day there are enough thirsty men to fuck that impolite boring HB10 if she lets them. That’s just reality.

“This isn’t asking my dog to do taxes, this are basic social skills that are synergistic with women’s biological make-up and have been the expectation of women in all functioning societies.”

In previous societies where women were shamed for fucking everything they swipe right on on Tinder, yes, it benefitted them to have social skills and be interesting conversationalists. That’s not the world we live in in 2015. In 2015 she can be the shittiest most unpleasant fuck, she can even be 300lbs, and she’ll still find thirsty guys who will fuck her. And the sad part is that a lot of those guys will be good looking high-value dudes who just don’t have game and don’t know how to meet girls. Hi, Mark Zuckerberg!

You have an outdated mentality based on old ideas that social media and technology has destroyed. Adapt to the current reality.

“You are simply glossing over the agency of women”

I’m not glossing over it. Women will do what benefits achieving their biological Survival and Replication goals based on the data their brains are fed. Right now society is feeding them shitty data so they’re choosing careers over children and trying to provide their own Survival, and men are thirsty enough and technology has connected those thirsty men to them easily enough that they will literally NEVER not have access to Providers or Lovers for Replication.

“and the character change in the last few decades. If you don’t care about that, fine, but that doesn’t make it irrelevant.”

I’m not saying it’s irrelevant. I’m saying the source of your frustrations comes from holding onto ideals that haven’t been updated to reflect current reality.

The only way women will decide they need to develop social skills and be interesting conversationalists is when they can’t land high enough Lovers and Providers without those things. In the past, they had a selection of men in their city and their social skills and interesting conversation could help them work their way up to higher-value men.

But right now AAA celebrities will message them on Instagram, with no fucks given about their social skills or conversation skills. Welcome to 2015, there’s no going back.

“BTW, what are you going to do if Bad Game gets criminalized? Just tell men not to do Bad Game? Because that contradicts experimenting and learning and failing in order to develop Good Game.”

They’ll have a tougher time learning game if something like that happens, that’s for sure. I don’t envy ’em lol But men will figure out a solution like we always do.


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@Forge
“You need to know what each tool is good for. Is a hammer better than a screwdriver? What do we mean by better?”

Game is the overencompassing toolbox carrying the tools. There are guys who will tell you social proof is way more important than looks or teasing or vocal tonality and the other tools in the box, just like here you’ll hear looks are more important than other tools in the box. End of the day they’re all about the same: they’re ways to help get yourself some Approach Invites and iois to make things easier. But a guy focusing his looks will gain about as much benefit as a guy focusing on his vocal tonality: he’ll get some free gimme ioi’s and AIs here and there, and that’s super, but he’ll need overall game to convert those into actually getting his dick inside vaginas.

The catch is that it takes hours in the gym to get in the top 10% of looks and even if you DO achieve getting jacked you’re limited by your genetics/height/facial-symmetry/whatever lol You will NEVER be the best looking guy wherever you go. But with a fraction of the time investment you could be in the top 10% of being socially proofed when you walk around your city, or have insanely solid vocal tonality, preselection, skills at running group dynamics etc which will pay off way more in the end.

Game overall also gives you choice. If you’re relying on AIs and iois you’re stuck going for girls who choose you. When you have game you can go open whatever you want and have a solid chance at making it work.

This is all WHY the Forever Alone guys exist, instead of brushing them off as an insignificant minority because it doesn’t fit the pushed belief system and leave those guys out to rot (hey sorry you’re going to be virgin losers for life but you’re the minority so whatevs, good luck Elliot! lol) I can fully explain them: they have looks, and they get some free gimme iois and AIs but they don’t have game and don’t know how to convert those to lays. All their hours in the gym did fuck all to ACTUALLY get their dick wet, they just get some free validation from women which feels super great but still has them up depressed and lonely because there isn’t a warm body in their bed sucking their dick.

But most guys will see them getting those iois and think “well if *I* got those iois I would know how to turn that into a lay no problem (like say, a guy who was a Natural in a band for part of his life and learned game naturally and sometimes doesn’t relate to how inept the majority of normal guys can be with women), so that guy MUST be getting laid”, or thinking that that guy can just “say two words” and the chick will jump on his dick saying “THANKYOU CHAD THUNDERCOCK!!!!” not realizing or accepting that a TON of those guys, the majority probably, will very likely drop the ball at some point between the meet and lay because they spent their time focusing on looks instead of learning game.

@Striver
“So I get up and wander a bit, and I notice the best looking one of the remainder giving me the eye. There’s an open chair there, so I sit down and mingle with her. After the event we split off and had dinner.”

Like I’ve said countless times: looks will get you free gimme iois and AIs and positive attention. And as long as there’s no interference by other guys with game or cockblocking/obstacles and the girl helps things along guys with looks can get laid just based off their looks. But newbies who are learning to socialize and pick up girls should be focusing on their game and being infield approaching. If they can squeeze in a workout, cool, but elevating looks above other tools in the game toolbox is just feeding them what they want to hear ie – “I can do this solo thing that doesn’t involve putting myself in social situations because those are scary, and it’ll get me laid because it’s almost as good as having game and that game stuff is scary and involves getting too far out of my comfort zone, now lemme put my headphones on cause I’m not gonna talk to these girls in my gym this is my sanctuary brah when I get down to 11.235% bodyfat THEN I’ll start talking to girls cuz they’ll all wanna fuck me according to what I read on the internet about looks!”

“YaReally has overextended himself here. I don’t know how he has time to write all of these posts, it takes away from sarging time lol.”

lol I have sick time management skills. The 21yo from the kiddie club the other night is coming over to fuck tommorrow night. :P

“I am not going to make up a fake identity, sorry.”

lol I don’t care if you do. I just recommend it to avoid shit like this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2596113/James-Franco-35-hits-schoolgirl-17-Instagram-series-texts.html

“A lot of the hardcore game business only makes any sense in giant markets with massive anonymity and an endless supply of new women. Many of us don’t live in London or DC or LA.”

Any city with a college/university has an endless supply of new women. London, DC and LA aren’t the only cities with colleges/universities. This is the “well if it can’t be perfect then fuck it” mentality. When I was starting out I was going to shitty mostly-empty venues on weeknights just to find some girls to chat up.

@A Definite Beta Guy
“You literally told me “women don’t owe you anything.””

They don’t. Why would they owe you anything? For the good of society? Do you think women care about the good of society? Do you think they’ve EVER cared about society?

http://therationalmale.com/tag/solipsism/

Women do what’s in their best personal interest (and maybe what’s in the best interest of their child but even that’s debatable). Always have, always will. Society kept that in check with punishments and judgement and isolation for a while, but those chains have come off and now chicks are running wild. They’re doing what they’ve always been hardwired to do, there just aren’t any checks in place to keep it from getting out of hand now.

They are not “failing”, they’re doing what they’ve always done. Society is failing in laying the smack down and reigning their behavior in (and is generally ENCOURAGING it lol). This will have consequences but at the end of the day women are just being women. Anyone expecting them NOT to be acting on emotional whims based in their own self interest, and expecting them to have some sense of ethical honor for the greater good of society doesn’t fully grasp solipsism and hypergamy.

“They are not adapting by learning PUA, they are adapting by playing Xbox and watching internet porn.”

Pretty sure the PUA industry would disagree lol There’s two camps, the ones adapting and the ones bailing. Ideally more guys will adapt, especially if they realize they can just go out and talk to people and get better at it instead of thinking they have to grow another 5 inches in height and become Chad Thundercock to get pussy.

“This is why I say men are not incentivized to learn social skills, because the rewards aren’t there, and your attitude towards this is “men are lazy,””

They’re incentivized, they just either don’t view the reward as worth the effort or yes, are lazy. No one will fix a guy’s problems but himself. That’s not fair, I get it, but if that guy does someday decide to change his life the toolbox is there for him to do it with.

“That’s leaving aside your attitude towards False Rape accusations, which is “Good Game,” which is not feasible for a college-age male.”

lol sure it is. He can read up and learn exactly what Buyer’s Remorse is and why it happens and how to prevent it so that by the 2nd or 3rd time he gets laid he’s already properly managing it. It’s not some skill that takes years and dozens of angry former-lays to learn. THIS shit is why guys go run away and play x-box, because they’re like “oh that’s not feasable for me, that guy on the internet said it’s impossible so I’ll just play more Halo”.

“I see no particular reason to update my ethics.”

lol you can do whatever you want man, I don’t care. You can have whatever ethical code you like. I’m just reporting what the current societal “ethical situation” is for women in 2015. I deal with reality not imaginary rules and codes that half of society isn’t following and the other half is encouraging them NOT to follow lol

“which is that women owe you nothing, and if a woman did something bad to you, you probably did something to deserve it (Bad Game).”

That’s not social conditioning, that’s logic. You don’t owe me anything, women don’t owe me anything, society doesn’t owe me anything. Just like Rollo’s article we’re posting in says: “Your reward, your motivation, for being a Red Pill parent and a positively masculine example in your kids’ lives needs to come from inside yourself because it will never be rewarded by a feminine-primary social order.”

Does Rollo have socially conditioned ethics? No, he’s just warning men of the uncomfortable truth of how shit works lol


Red Pill Parenting – Part II

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YaReally
on October 20th, 2015 at 10:30 am
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@Forge
“You need to know what each tool is good for. Is a hammer better than a screwdriver? What do we mean by better?”

Game is the overencompassing toolbox carrying the tools. There are guys who will tell you social proof is way more important than looks or teasing or vocal tonality and the other tools in the box, just like here you’ll hear looks are more important than other tools in the box. End of the day they’re all about the same: they’re ways to help get yourself some Approach Invites and iois to make things easier. But a guy focusing his looks will gain about as much benefit as a guy focusing on his vocal tonality: he’ll get some free gimme ioi’s and AIs here and there, and that’s super, but he’ll need overall game to convert those into actually getting his dick inside vaginas.

The catch is that it takes hours in the gym to get in the top 10% of looks and even if you DO achieve getting jacked you’re limited by your genetics/height/facial-symmetry/whatever lol You will NEVER be the best looking guy wherever you go. But with a fraction of the time investment you could be in the top 10% of being socially proofed when you walk around your city, or have insanely solid vocal tonality, preselection, skills at running group dynamics etc which will pay off way more in the end.

Game overall also gives you choice. If you’re relying on AIs and iois you’re stuck going for girls who choose you. When you have game you can go open whatever you want and have a solid chance at making it work.

This is all WHY the Forever Alone guys exist, instead of brushing them off as an insignificant minority because it doesn’t fit the pushed belief system and leave those guys out to rot (hey sorry you’re going to be virgin losers for life but you’re the minority so whatevs, good luck Elliot! lol) I can fully explain them: they have looks, and they get some free gimme iois and AIs but they don’t have game and don’t know how to convert those to lays. All their hours in the gym did fuck all to ACTUALLY get their dick wet, they just get some free validation from women which feels super great but still has them up depressed and lonely because there isn’t a warm body in their bed sucking their dick.

But most guys will see them getting those iois and think “well if *I* got those iois I would know how to turn that into a lay no problem (like say, a guy who was a Natural in a band for part of his life and learned game naturally and sometimes doesn’t relate to how inept the majority of normal guys can be with women), so that guy MUST be getting laid”, or thinking that that guy can just “say two words” and the chick will jump on his dick saying “THANKYOU CHAD THUNDERCOCK!!!!” not realizing or accepting that a TON of those guys, the majority probably, will very likely drop the ball at some point between the meet and lay because they spent their time focusing on looks instead of learning game.

@Striver
“So I get up and wander a bit, and I notice the best looking one of the remainder giving me the eye. There’s an open chair there, so I sit down and mingle with her. After the event we split off and had dinner.”

Like I’ve said countless times: looks will get you free gimme iois and AIs and positive attention. And as long as there’s no interference by other guys with game or cockblocking/obstacles and the girl helps things along guys with looks can get laid just based off their looks. But newbies who are learning to socialize and pick up girls should be focusing on their game and being infield approaching. If they can squeeze in a workout, cool, but elevating looks above other tools in the game toolbox is just feeding them what they want to hear ie – “I can do this solo thing that doesn’t involve putting myself in social situations because those are scary, and it’ll get me laid because it’s almost as good as having game and that game stuff is scary and involves getting too far out of my comfort zone, now lemme put my headphones on cause I’m not gonna talk to these girls in my gym this is my sanctuary brah when I get down to 11.235% bodyfat THEN I’ll start talking to girls cuz they’ll all wanna fuck me according to what I read on the internet about looks!”

“YaReally has overextended himself here. I don’t know how he has time to write all of these posts, it takes away from sarging time lol.”

lol I have sick time management skills. The 21yo from the kiddie club the other night is coming over to fuck tommorrow night. πŸ˜›

“I am not going to make up a fake identity, sorry.”

lol I don’t care if you do. I just recommend it to avoid shit like this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2596113/James-Franco-35-hits-schoolgirl-17-Instagram-series-texts.html

“A lot of the hardcore game business only makes any sense in giant markets with massive anonymity and an endless supply of new women. Many of us don’t live in London or DC or LA.”

Any city with a college/university has an endless supply of new women. London, DC and LA aren’t the only cities with colleges/universities. This is the “well if it can’t be perfect then fuck it” mentality. When I was starting out I was going to shitty mostly-empty venues on weeknights just to find some girls to chat up.

@A Definite Beta Guy
“You literally told me “women don’t owe you anything.””

They don’t. Why would they owe you anything? For the good of society? Do you think women care about the good of society? Do you think they’ve EVER cared about society?

https://therationalmale.com/tag/solipsism/

Women do what’s in their best personal interest (and maybe what’s in the best interest of their child but even that’s debatable). Always have, always will. Society kept that in check with punishments and judgement and isolation for a while, but those chains have come off and now chicks are running wild. They’re doing what they’ve always been hardwired to do, there just aren’t any checks in place to keep it from getting out of hand now.

They are not “failing”, they’re doing what they’ve always done. Society is failing in laying the smack down and reigning their behavior in (and is generally ENCOURAGING it lol). This will have consequences but at the end of the day women are just being women. Anyone expecting them NOT to be acting on emotional whims based in their own self interest, and expecting them to have some sense of ethical honor for the greater good of society doesn’t fully grasp solipsism and hypergamy.

“They are not adapting by learning PUA, they are adapting by playing Xbox and watching internet porn.”

Pretty sure the PUA industry would disagree lol There’s two camps, the ones adapting and the ones bailing. Ideally more guys will adapt, especially if they realize they can just go out and talk to people and get better at it instead of thinking they have to grow another 5 inches in height and become Chad Thundercock to get pussy.

“This is why I say men are not incentivized to learn social skills, because the rewards aren’t there, and your attitude towards this is “men are lazy,””

They’re incentivized, they just either don’t view the reward as worth the effort or yes, are lazy. No one will fix a guy’s problems but himself. That’s not fair, I get it, but if that guy does someday decide to change his life the toolbox is there for him to do it with.

“That’s leaving aside your attitude towards False Rape accusations, which is “Good Game,” which is not feasible for a college-age male.”

lol sure it is. He can read up and learn exactly what Buyer’s Remorse is and why it happens and how to prevent it so that by the 2nd or 3rd time he gets laid he’s already properly managing it. It’s not some skill that takes years and dozens of angry former-lays to learn. THIS shit is why guys go run away and play x-box, because they’re like “oh that’s not feasable for me, that guy on the internet said it’s impossible so I’ll just play more Halo”.

“I see no particular reason to update my ethics.”

lol you can do whatever you want man, I don’t care. You can have whatever ethical code you like. I’m just reporting what the current societal “ethical situation” is for women in 2015. I deal with reality not imaginary rules and codes that half of society isn’t following and the other half is encouraging them NOT to follow lol

“which is that women owe you nothing, and if a woman did something bad to you, you probably did something to deserve it (Bad Game).”

That’s not social conditioning, that’s logic. You don’t owe me anything, women don’t owe me anything, society doesn’t owe me anything. Just like Rollo’s article we’re posting in says: “Your reward, your motivation, for being a Red Pill parent and a positively masculine example in your kids’ lives needs to come from inside yourself because it will never be rewarded by a feminine-primary social order.”

Does Rollo have socially conditioned ethics? No, he’s just warning men of the uncomfortable truth of how shit works lol


Red Pill Parenting – Part II

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YaReally
on October 20th, 2015 at 11:19 am
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@Andy @agent p

I don’t have a problem with that formula, but in those brackets would be a shitload more things (social proof, preselection, leadership of men, dominance, etc). But ya that’s my point, game is the overall encompassing toolbox holding those things. You can work on any of those tools if you want, but they’re just going to get you “positive attention” iois and AIs.

This schlub in a windbreaker is getting INFINITELY more IOIs, AIs, etc. than any of the buff dudes or guys in suits in that mall:

2:35 on his way out a girl hands him a paper with her number on it and he calls it and it’s real.

So do we conclude that social proof is more important than looks? Is the formula now “Social proof, Money, Game, pick two”? No of course not. Because social proof is a tool in the game toolbox just like looks. It gets you positive attention and iois just like social proof does. Just like any DHV does.

The difference is you can learn to build social proof in a night. Getting jacked and growing a few inches will take you years. Which is the better time investment for guys who want to get their dick wet and don’t have a band or Natural skills or jacked bodies?

@teddj4g
“If all we expect from women is a pretty face and a pussy, its all we will ever get and all they will ever be worth.”

And do you think it’s realistic that men will, en masse, stop putting out for women and demand they be more than a pretty face and pussy? I just deal with reality lol I love all these ideas of what women should offer, but reality is women are getting more and more access to men (now from the entire world, Skype is apparently going to start translating langauges in conversations live for people so guess what now your chick who hasn’t bothered to learn a second language can get hit on by all those foreign Euro alpha dudes who don’t speak English and want to fuck her…is she going to try to better herself when thousands of new men were just unlocked for her? lol of course not she has more selection than she knows what to do with…she’ll even SCREEN those guys and disqualify half of the good looking ones lol look at any average to hot girl’s Tinder and it’s FULL of Chad Thundercock lookin’ motherfuckers who will BEG to take her out to dinner no matter how unpleasant she is. THAT’S reality in 2015, that’s what Average Joe is dealing with when he wants to learn to get laid…he might get more jacked than all the dudes in his city or even his country but now he’s also competing with Chad Thundercock in Europe. Better get the roids out!).

“Maybe my standards are unrealistic, but my wife is managing to meet them”

I’m not trying to be a dick but I’d imagine your wife is not what the average mid-20s guy is trying to get laid by. Like, maybe they SHOULD, but the reality is they aren’t. They’re trying to stick their dick in girls they think are sexy bitches lol

@CaveClown
“Seems to me that it’s a total package deal, the context of the situation, and the particular woman as well.”

Exactly. This is my point lol Your dominant IDGAF attitude will get you attention, just like your looks, just like social proof, etc. but to say that your IDGAF is more improtant than looks and social proof or that looks are more important than social proof etc is just the residue of a socially conditioned belief…”ok I get this whole “game” thing, but like, let’s be serious, looks are MORE important than those other things…I know I know, they don’t matter but like, they DO matter, c’mon.” Just like guys who think money matters will say the exact same thing about money. Game is what matters and guys should understand that looks are just a normal tool in the toolbox like any of the other tools so they don’t go down a socially isolated path that stunts their results/growth.

“Women fantasize over Chad Thundercock. I fantasize over Victoria Secret angels…Does it matter? ’cause I don’t see either me or them fucking their fantasy.”

lol exactly. Women fantasize over skinny gross rockstars (were all those guys jacked like Arnold? No), the sparkling weiner emo kid from Twilight, and hell there are teenage girls fantasizing over fucking Final Fantasy characters lol PRETEND CHARACTERS. None of that shit matters.

@Andy
“My wife is very smart. She can have “intelligent” conversations, but she’s more apt to just agree with what I’m saying than to actually debate me. Also, she will very quickly change the subject to nail polish, or kids, or silly story of the day. I tend to be passionate about what’s wrong with the world, society, etc. She’ll agree with me, but she just doesn’t care that much if it doesn’t directly affect her. I can’t think of a single female friend that was any different. This is why I have guy friends.”

Same. A buddy viewed his GF as logical and smarter than other girls until I asked him what exactly she’s taught him about life or anything lol And he started trying to have “bad feels” conversations about her finances and shit and she’d just cry and change the subject. I don’t expect a girl to provide that shit…if she does, that’s cool, but I have guy friends who I’ll have infintely more interesting conversations with.

Hell I can come HERE and have a more interesting discussion than I’ll ever have with some hot 21yo even if she’s really really smart compared to other hot 21yos. That 21yo isn’t failing lol, she just doesn’t have a reason to be more interesting. I could just NOT fuck her and say “no you have to be able to discuss tank strategies in world war 2 before I’ll fuck you” but 50 other dudes are lined up to fuck her if I won’t.

…actually that would be funny to try. “Sorry, I can’t do this tonight…I’m really turned on by obscure trivia about the food industry’s promotion of the standard american diet…maybe if you could whisper something in my ear about the dangers of corn syrup mmm baby that’s so sexy” lol

@Jeremy
“The argument is being tossed around by so many people the original point is getting distorted.”

Fucking, THANK YOU. lol What I said was not an illogical point. It’s just really really uncomfortable to hear so guys are warping it into whatever strawman they want to get pissed about and painting their “WELL IT SHOULDN’T BE THAT WAY” feels onto it lol I doubt many people actually calmly rationally reading what I wrote would disagree with the pure logic of what I’m saying is happening out there.

“The original point was that you cannot expect women to lead the interaction, and if the interaction fails it should fall on the leader to examine what he could have done differently.”
<3 I wanna have your babies for actually reading what I'm saying instead of taking this into weird "UR A FEMINAZI" zones lol

"The argument *was never* that boring women do not exist, nor that you will never encounter them in your travels, nor that women are “incapable” of being interesting. These are distortions of the original argument."

EXACTLY. All I'm saying is that they aren't incentivized in 2015 to BE interesting, so why would anyone EXPECT them to be? It's entirely possible that they MIGHT be, but it's very unlikely when it doesn't serve their interests like it did in the old days where it would gain them access to higher-value males. That chick James Franco tried to fuck on Instagram was about to land a AAA CELEBRITY, just for being young and decently fuckable lol Does anyone think that chick is going to go "you know, to land a high-value male I really need to be more interesting?" No, of course not, why would she?? lol

"The PUA argument here (to arrogantly speak for others) is that if you expect the woman to be putting herself out there and leading the evening to fun (by “being interesting” in the male sense of the word), you’re having a blue pill evening and good luck holding frame after that."

It's not even about holding the frame…it's just like, you're going to be disappointed. What do you expect? You're expecting your dog to do your taxes. You could probably train a dog to do your taxes, or there might be one of those smart math dogs that can bark out your tax percent when you throw the right colored balls at it, but like, you're expecting a being who's solipsistic by nature which means that in their mind the world revolves around them, and expecting them to do something they get no personal benefit out of.

You can expect that if you want, but you're going to be very disappointed very regularly and you'd probably be better off objectively looking at WHY women in 2015 aren't bringing that stuff to the table instead of just going "they're stupid bitches women suck wahhhh" as if it's their fault that society doesn't expect more from them like it used to and rewards them with James Franco for just having a pussy.

"Given this situation, it should be expected of men to simply deal with the occasional boring woman by removing attention rather than conceding responsibility for an interesting evening."

Exactly. Like, ditch a boring woman. That's fine, you do what you want it's your dick not mine. OR, accept that she has no reason to be more interesting, and appreciate her for the stuff she DOES bring to the table, like feminine energy, some fun laughs, some sexy scenery, a good fuck, and just lighten up and have fun and enjoy women. And if a girl DOESN'T provide feminine energy or fun laughs or a good fuck, or is a bitch or TOO dumb etc then I ditch her. But I'm qualifying her based on reasonable expectations instead of fantasies that were never true in the first place (women weren't going to charm school back in the day to just self-improve they were doing it to land a higher quality man, aka personal incentive).

Personally, I don't see women being super fucking interesting so I keep them as fuckbuddies at best. If I meet one who's amazing and blows my mind, hey, maybe I'll pLTR her. But I'm not expecting that and women don't owe me it. They just do what benefits them and right now being interesting and having sick social skills doesn't benefit them because they can still fuck James Franco and Chris Hemsworth just Liked their Tweet and is totes practically their new boyfriend in their mind.

Do I think this is the best state for society? No. But it's not going to change anytime soon. These guys aren't going to all just stop being thirsty and start holding women to higher standards. Society isn't going to start judging women for fucking around and tell them to lock their vaginas up. So we adapt and give men tools to survive and thrive in the reality that is "trying to stick your dick in hot <25yo's in 2015".


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YaReally
on October 20th, 2015 at 11:19 am
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@Andy @agent p

I don’t have a problem with that formula, but in those brackets would be a shitload more things (social proof, preselection, leadership of men, dominance, etc). But ya that’s my point, game is the overall encompassing toolbox holding those things. You can work on any of those tools if you want, but they’re just going to get you “positive attention” iois and AIs.

This schlub in a windbreaker is getting INFINITELY more IOIs, AIs, etc. than any of the buff dudes or guys in suits in that mall:

2:35 on his way out a girl hands him a paper with her number on it and he calls it and it’s real.

So do we conclude that social proof is more important than looks? Is the formula now “Social proof, Money, Game, pick two”? No of course not. Because social proof is a tool in the game toolbox just like looks. It gets you positive attention and iois just like social proof does. Just like any DHV does.

The difference is you can learn to build social proof in a night. Getting jacked and growing a few inches will take you years. Which is the better time investment for guys who want to get their dick wet and don’t have a band or Natural skills or jacked bodies?

@teddj4g
“If all we expect from women is a pretty face and a pussy, its all we will ever get and all they will ever be worth.”

And do you think it’s realistic that men will, en masse, stop putting out for women and demand they be more than a pretty face and pussy? I just deal with reality lol I love all these ideas of what women should offer, but reality is women are getting more and more access to men (now from the entire world, Skype is apparently going to start translating langauges in conversations live for people so guess what now your chick who hasn’t bothered to learn a second language can get hit on by all those foreign Euro alpha dudes who don’t speak English and want to fuck her…is she going to try to better herself when thousands of new men were just unlocked for her? lol of course not she has more selection than she knows what to do with…she’ll even SCREEN those guys and disqualify half of the good looking ones lol look at any average to hot girl’s Tinder and it’s FULL of Chad Thundercock lookin’ motherfuckers who will BEG to take her out to dinner no matter how unpleasant she is. THAT’S reality in 2015, that’s what Average Joe is dealing with when he wants to learn to get laid…he might get more jacked than all the dudes in his city or even his country but now he’s also competing with Chad Thundercock in Europe. Better get the roids out!).

“Maybe my standards are unrealistic, but my wife is managing to meet them”

I’m not trying to be a dick but I’d imagine your wife is not what the average mid-20s guy is trying to get laid by. Like, maybe they SHOULD, but the reality is they aren’t. They’re trying to stick their dick in girls they think are sexy bitches lol

@CaveClown
“Seems to me that it’s a total package deal, the context of the situation, and the particular woman as well.”

Exactly. This is my point lol Your dominant IDGAF attitude will get you attention, just like your looks, just like social proof, etc. but to say that your IDGAF is more improtant than looks and social proof or that looks are more important than social proof etc is just the residue of a socially conditioned belief…”ok I get this whole “game” thing, but like, let’s be serious, looks are MORE important than those other things…I know I know, they don’t matter but like, they DO matter, c’mon.” Just like guys who think money matters will say the exact same thing about money. Game is what matters and guys should understand that looks are just a normal tool in the toolbox like any of the other tools so they don’t go down a socially isolated path that stunts their results/growth.

“Women fantasize over Chad Thundercock. I fantasize over Victoria Secret angels…Does it matter? ’cause I don’t see either me or them fucking their fantasy.”

lol exactly. Women fantasize over skinny gross rockstars (were all those guys jacked like Arnold? No), the sparkling weiner emo kid from Twilight, and hell there are teenage girls fantasizing over fucking Final Fantasy characters lol PRETEND CHARACTERS. None of that shit matters.

@Andy
“My wife is very smart. She can have “intelligent” conversations, but she’s more apt to just agree with what I’m saying than to actually debate me. Also, she will very quickly change the subject to nail polish, or kids, or silly story of the day. I tend to be passionate about what’s wrong with the world, society, etc. She’ll agree with me, but she just doesn’t care that much if it doesn’t directly affect her. I can’t think of a single female friend that was any different. This is why I have guy friends.”

Same. A buddy viewed his GF as logical and smarter than other girls until I asked him what exactly she’s taught him about life or anything lol And he started trying to have “bad feels” conversations about her finances and shit and she’d just cry and change the subject. I don’t expect a girl to provide that shit…if she does, that’s cool, but I have guy friends who I’ll have infintely more interesting conversations with.

Hell I can come HERE and have a more interesting discussion than I’ll ever have with some hot 21yo even if she’s really really smart compared to other hot 21yos. That 21yo isn’t failing lol, she just doesn’t have a reason to be more interesting. I could just NOT fuck her and say “no you have to be able to discuss tank strategies in world war 2 before I’ll fuck you” but 50 other dudes are lined up to fuck her if I won’t.

…actually that would be funny to try. “Sorry, I can’t do this tonight…I’m really turned on by obscure trivia about the food industry’s promotion of the standard american diet…maybe if you could whisper something in my ear about the dangers of corn syrup mmm baby that’s so sexy” lol

@Jeremy
“The argument is being tossed around by so many people the original point is getting distorted.”

Fucking, THANK YOU. lol What I said was not an illogical point. It’s just really really uncomfortable to hear so guys are warping it into whatever strawman they want to get pissed about and painting their “WELL IT SHOULDN’T BE THAT WAY” feels onto it lol I doubt many people actually calmly rationally reading what I wrote would disagree with the pure logic of what I’m saying is happening out there.

“The original point was that you cannot expect women to lead the interaction, and if the interaction fails it should fall on the leader to examine what he could have done differently.”
❀ I wanna have your babies for actually reading what I'm saying instead of taking this into weird "UR A FEMINAZI" zones lol

"The argument *was never* that boring women do not exist, nor that you will never encounter them in your travels, nor that women are “incapable” of being interesting. These are distortions of the original argument."

EXACTLY. All I'm saying is that they aren't incentivized in 2015 to BE interesting, so why would anyone EXPECT them to be? It's entirely possible that they MIGHT be, but it's very unlikely when it doesn't serve their interests like it did in the old days where it would gain them access to higher-value males. That chick James Franco tried to fuck on Instagram was about to land a AAA CELEBRITY, just for being young and decently fuckable lol Does anyone think that chick is going to go "you know, to land a high-value male I really need to be more interesting?" No, of course not, why would she?? lol

"The PUA argument here (to arrogantly speak for others) is that if you expect the woman to be putting herself out there and leading the evening to fun (by “being interesting” in the male sense of the word), you’re having a blue pill evening and good luck holding frame after that."

It's not even about holding the frame…it's just like, you're going to be disappointed. What do you expect? You're expecting your dog to do your taxes. You could probably train a dog to do your taxes, or there might be one of those smart math dogs that can bark out your tax percent when you throw the right colored balls at it, but like, you're expecting a being who's solipsistic by nature which means that in their mind the world revolves around them, and expecting them to do something they get no personal benefit out of.

You can expect that if you want, but you're going to be very disappointed very regularly and you'd probably be better off objectively looking at WHY women in 2015 aren't bringing that stuff to the table instead of just going "they're stupid bitches women suck wahhhh" as if it's their fault that society doesn't expect more from them like it used to and rewards them with James Franco for just having a pussy.

"Given this situation, it should be expected of men to simply deal with the occasional boring woman by removing attention rather than conceding responsibility for an interesting evening."

Exactly. Like, ditch a boring woman. That's fine, you do what you want it's your dick not mine. OR, accept that she has no reason to be more interesting, and appreciate her for the stuff she DOES bring to the table, like feminine energy, some fun laughs, some sexy scenery, a good fuck, and just lighten up and have fun and enjoy women. And if a girl DOESN'T provide feminine energy or fun laughs or a good fuck, or is a bitch or TOO dumb etc then I ditch her. But I'm qualifying her based on reasonable expectations instead of fantasies that were never true in the first place (women weren't going to charm school back in the day to just self-improve they were doing it to land a higher quality man, aka personal incentive).

Personally, I don't see women being super fucking interesting so I keep them as fuckbuddies at best. If I meet one who's amazing and blows my mind, hey, maybe I'll pLTR her. But I'm not expecting that and women don't owe me it. They just do what benefits them and right now being interesting and having sick social skills doesn't benefit them because they can still fuck James Franco and Chris Hemsworth just Liked their Tweet and is totes practically their new boyfriend in their mind.

Do I think this is the best state for society? No. But it's not going to change anytime soon. These guys aren't going to all just stop being thirsty and start holding women to higher standards. Society isn't going to start judging women for fucking around and tell them to lock their vaginas up. So we adapt and give men tools to survive and thrive in the reality that is "trying to stick your dick in hot <25yo's in 2015".


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on October 20th, 2015 at 11:35 am
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@CaveClown
“you remind me of me. I talk about the problems of the world a lot. Very passionate about it. Most women can’t or won’t keep up with the subjects I care about, wife included.”

Yup. This is super common. And some of your wives probably ARE interesting, because it benefitted them to learn to be. And I’m sure Rollo’s daughter is interesting because as a Red Pill guy he probably helped encourage her to develop an interesting personality and taught her ways it can benefit her (solipsism).

But in 2015 most of the <25yo's that guys are meeting just DON'T have incentive or punsihment to bring more than pussy and feminine energy to the table. If you want more from them, you're asking them to do something they're doing just fine NOT doing. That chick James Franco tried to fuck will never have reason to better herself because she's already able to bang the top 1% of men in society…why would she bother opening a book instead of just taking another selfie for Instagram? lol

@agent p
"Personally I think you need to account for negative game as piss poor game, or anti-game, e.g. getting suckered by Beta bait thrown out by chicks throws you out of her pool of considered candidates entirely."

Yup. A lot of the guys who think "he got iois so that's basically a lay" don't stick around to watch the set tank when the guy says something retarded and somehow with all his good-looks and money and BMW, the girl who's an AVERAGE girl who was checking him out like the blonde with that athlete a minute ago, is repulsed by him because he spit anti-game and dried her vagina up and she can go on Tinder and find 500 other guys who all look just as good if not better than that guy and who haven't repulsed her with anti-game YET so they might be better than him.

Then that guy goes and hits the gym worrying that it's his bodyfat instead of focusing on his game and learning where he went wrong in that sarge. I can't even count how many times girls have shown me their orbiters' texts and profiles and instagram pics etc These guys are WAY better looking than me and driving sick cars and offering them crazy expensive shit I could never offer, but they look at them with disgust and laugh about how lame they are because they don't have game and their texts are like "hey are u mad at me?" "hey want to get dinner?" "if ur mad u can just tell me babe" "hey" "hey" "hey" "hey party tonight u should come out" "ok i get it ur mad at me. Just wish I knew what I did wrong." "hey want to get dinner?"

It's the funniest/saddest shit in the world. If you're currently fucking girls, tell them to show you their texts from other guys and their Tinder and shit. It's an eye-opener.

@agent p
"The forever alone muscle thing is a perfect example of that, they have some great scores on some qualities which should bring up the value, they have low or middling game and they end up having piss poor attraction they can capitalize on."

That's why I say like, you can't just DISMISS those guys as some "oh that's a small minority". They prove that looks don't really matter, half of those guys have better bodies than most of us will ever have in our LIVES lol

When we find a guy who can't get laid we say "how would we get this guy laid, what can this 300lbs Warcraft nerd do to get laid?" We don't say "oh well, who cares about the riff-raff we just want to help the guys who are already pretty well-off". PUA was designed for the spergiest retardest bottom of the barrel of men in society to be able to get laid lol

Everyone else wants to just dismiss the hardcases or tell them to hit the gym and cross their fingers those iois and AIs they get magically translate into lays (when there have been anecdotes in this thread and EVERYONE has their own anecdotes where a girl threw themselves at them and they fumbled it with their anti-game retardedness).

"Game reduces, accounts for and helps to control for seemingly random variables that could knock you out of the hunt.
Game allows you to press buttons that open doors
Game works on the basis of generalizations so there will always be exceptions, but not so many as to undermine the validity of the generalization in the first place.
RP can keep you from getting blown out because you stepped on a landmine
Game lets you leverage positive attributes

Game is art, but it is built upon a solid foundation of skills and understanding a set of principals. Like the artist no good art comes of piss poor brush skills or a lack of insight and understanding except by dumb luck. It resists math."

This. Like I say: newbies should get their basic grooming and style handled so you don't look totally socially retarded and then let go of the looks thing and focus on learning to build social proof, dominance, tease, push/pull, escalate, etc.


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@CaveClown
“you remind me of me. I talk about the problems of the world a lot. Very passionate about it. Most women can’t or won’t keep up with the subjects I care about, wife included.”

Yup. This is super common. And some of your wives probably ARE interesting, because it benefitted them to learn to be. And I’m sure Rollo’s daughter is interesting because as a Red Pill guy he probably helped encourage her to develop an interesting personality and taught her ways it can benefit her (solipsism).

But in 2015 most of the <25yo's that guys are meeting just DON'T have incentive or punsihment to bring more than pussy and feminine energy to the table. If you want more from them, you're asking them to do something they're doing just fine NOT doing. That chick James Franco tried to fuck will never have reason to better herself because she's already able to bang the top 1% of men in society…why would she bother opening a book instead of just taking another selfie for Instagram? lol

@agent p
"Personally I think you need to account for negative game as piss poor game, or anti-game, e.g. getting suckered by Beta bait thrown out by chicks throws you out of her pool of considered candidates entirely."

Yup. A lot of the guys who think "he got iois so that's basically a lay" don't stick around to watch the set tank when the guy says something retarded and somehow with all his good-looks and money and BMW, the girl who's an AVERAGE girl who was checking him out like the blonde with that athlete a minute ago, is repulsed by him because he spit anti-game and dried her vagina up and she can go on Tinder and find 500 other guys who all look just as good if not better than that guy and who haven't repulsed her with anti-game YET so they might be better than him.

Then that guy goes and hits the gym worrying that it's his bodyfat instead of focusing on his game and learning where he went wrong in that sarge. I can't even count how many times girls have shown me their orbiters' texts and profiles and instagram pics etc These guys are WAY better looking than me and driving sick cars and offering them crazy expensive shit I could never offer, but they look at them with disgust and laugh about how lame they are because they don't have game and their texts are like "hey are u mad at me?" "hey want to get dinner?" "if ur mad u can just tell me babe" "hey" "hey" "hey" "hey party tonight u should come out" "ok i get it ur mad at me. Just wish I knew what I did wrong." "hey want to get dinner?"

It's the funniest/saddest shit in the world. If you're currently fucking girls, tell them to show you their texts from other guys and their Tinder and shit. It's an eye-opener.

@agent p
"The forever alone muscle thing is a perfect example of that, they have some great scores on some qualities which should bring up the value, they have low or middling game and they end up having piss poor attraction they can capitalize on."

That's why I say like, you can't just DISMISS those guys as some "oh that's a small minority". They prove that looks don't really matter, half of those guys have better bodies than most of us will ever have in our LIVES lol

When we find a guy who can't get laid we say "how would we get this guy laid, what can this 300lbs Warcraft nerd do to get laid?" We don't say "oh well, who cares about the riff-raff we just want to help the guys who are already pretty well-off". PUA was designed for the spergiest retardest bottom of the barrel of men in society to be able to get laid lol

Everyone else wants to just dismiss the hardcases or tell them to hit the gym and cross their fingers those iois and AIs they get magically translate into lays (when there have been anecdotes in this thread and EVERYONE has their own anecdotes where a girl threw themselves at them and they fumbled it with their anti-game retardedness).

"Game reduces, accounts for and helps to control for seemingly random variables that could knock you out of the hunt.
Game allows you to press buttons that open doors
Game works on the basis of generalizations so there will always be exceptions, but not so many as to undermine the validity of the generalization in the first place.
RP can keep you from getting blown out because you stepped on a landmine
Game lets you leverage positive attributes

Game is art, but it is built upon a solid foundation of skills and understanding a set of principals. Like the artist no good art comes of piss poor brush skills or a lack of insight and understanding except by dumb luck. It resists math."

This. Like I say: newbies should get their basic grooming and style handled so you don't look totally socially retarded and then let go of the looks thing and focus on learning to build social proof, dominance, tease, push/pull, escalate, etc.


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@hollenhund
“that so many in the ‘sphere are apparently deeply invested in this narrative about average beta males being pathological, anti-social, solipsistic shitheads with a sense of entitlement.”

The idea that life owes you rewards for not stepping up and earning them is having a delusional sense of entitlement.

The idea that you should be able to get a girlfriend without learning to socialize and interacting with people is anti-social entitlement.

Like what do you want us to say? Oh, poor guys, life is hard so just die alone now you’re justified because it’s hard. If they want to change, the tools are there and they can change. It’s in their ability and it’s their choice to take it on or not.

“Nevermind that simple logic tells us that it’s precisely extroverted men that are most likely to be attracted to, and also attempt, PUA tactics.”

…lol I can’t even. I just. lol

“Look at me, I’m not one of those icky betas! See?” It’s designed to suck up to any woman and any self-convinced alpha who may be listening.

lol ya that’s my goal. I get so much mad poon from this comment section, you wouldn’t believe it, oh baby come to me damaged manosphere groupies!! lol

This is why I say you don’t actually WANT to fix your views. You LOVE them, you thrive off the negative victim shit.

@teddj4g
“Further, since we are in a parenting thread: do you want the mother of your children to be a dipshit?”

Do you want your BMW to be red or black? What’s that? You don’t HAVE a BMW? Well c’mon man, when you get your BMW tomorrow, what color do you want it to be? You’re NOT getting a BMW tomorrow? So it’s almost as if it doesn’t really matter WHAT color you want your BMW to be if there aren’t BMWs sitting in your driveway.

You can want girls to be whatever you want. I want a girl who can just fly to the moon, that would be super when we have kids. Except that’s not out there or is so rare that I should take it as a wonderful blessing if I DO stumble into it, but not expect it from every woman and build up negative mindsets about how all these bitches can’t fly to the moon lol

“What kind of daily interactions can you have with a live in woman if the depth of her personality is decorating and makeup?”

Ask the guys in Deadbedrooms.

“In the context of having children though, there are far more important traits that aren’t so fun but are essential for any chance of success.”

Ya, they’re super. And you should screen for them while understanding that 1) society incentivies women to have the OPPOSITE of those traits in 2015, and 2) maybe you SHOULDN’T be looking to have kids as soon as possible because most of the women you’re going to meet aren’t going to be quality mother material and maybe you need to put that “married with 2.5 kids by age 35” vision on hold and work on your game so you can meet a LOT of women and try to find girls with some of those quality motherly traits out there in 2015.

“Put another way: I’ve never wanted to get laid so badly I would set aside that the woman in front of me is only going to stay interesting to me until I’m finished. *shrug*”

Then you’re a super cool badass and I’m legitimately happy that you had a blessed life where you didn’t have the problem of being as thirsty as like 90% of average dudes are. So let guys like me help those guys because you admit that you can’t even relate to their problems or desperation lol You can’t get them laid, let alone get them a quality girlfriend or wife…PUA can at least get them laid so they can start looking for a quality GF or wife.

MOST guys don’t get into PUA to just slay tons of poon, they’re nice dudes who get into PUA because they’re hoping to get a girlfriend/wife as soon as possible and not have to go sarge. Then a lot of them find out the whole monogamy LTR thing isn’t what society told them it was and they end up enjoying being single and screening harder for quality LTR material before they settle down again.

@Jeremy
“That reads like a concession that you have no argument, you just want others to think that what I’m talking about here is somehow part of the FI.”

I love you lol

@teddj4g
“But you, as an individual man, can expect and get better behavior from individual women. Hell, in a way it works in your favor. If she’s into you, and wants to please you, she’ll learn to keep up with your conversation, or NEXT.”

Yes, and that’s EXACTLY what PUA teaches men TO do. But we also teach men to have realistic expectations of women and that ya, maybe you want the mother of your kids to have read the Encylopaedia for fun, and that’s super, you should screen for that before you have kids with a chick. But expecting that from some <25yo in a sexy dress that gives you a boner and getting pissed when she hasn't read the Encylopaedia for fun is just silly and negative and going to just make you be disappointed in all women because it's an unreasonable expectation lol

"Its a form of her qualifying for me: she is proving she is smart enough to understand the things that are important to me. Even if they aren’t important to her."

Yup. That's why we teach guys to do this. But guys starting out learning pickup are starting from a place of thirsty scarcity, not abundance and IDGAF attitude.

"Lol. I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant reason to avoid sub-25 yo women in my life. If this really is how things are, never marry is the right advice. These "women" are worse than kids, because kids aren't legally considered adults."

This is what I'm saying. I get that you old married dudes don't know what it's like out there 'cause you aren't in the young hookup/dating scene and you probably don't know guys who are 20+ and still virgins and see how frustrated and depressed and thirsty and on the verge of Elliot rampages, suicide, etc. those guys are and it's awesome that you didn't have to experience that and don't have to help people get through that, but shit is rough for guys in their 20s right now and we're trying to help them navigate REALITY in 2015, not some fantasy you old guys remember about a world that doesn't exist anymore.

Social media changed everything, even 10 years ago when I started learning PUA this shit was different. I remember when girls didn't even have cell phones or texting and I had to get home phone numbers and if you isolated a girl her friends would just assume she went home and give up after one lap of looking for her etc Change happens FAST and if you aren't out there every week, you're falling behind in what's happening out there.

@Jeremy
"It won’t change until men stop being thirsty and raise their standards for commitment. That’s the final, fatal flaw of MGTOW, imo. MGTOW offers nothing to the ladies as a new standard of behavior, it simply says, “No, I won’t interact with you.” "

I agree. It's like punishing a kid but not telling him how he can avoid the punishment or what better behavior you expect from him in the future. MGTOWs generally seem to just want women to "figure it out" (or to watch their videos and figure it out lol) and seem to prefer to just walk away instead of train them. Which is totally fine, they can do what they want, but I think it would help them to learn a bit of game so that they can have women in their lives on their terms and still be able to walk away and still only have women who get with their program on-board, but just have more access to hotter girls for their dick's sake.

@CaveClown
"Is this real? No exaggeration? This is how men talk to girls?"

I wish it wasn't, because I feel bad for those guys, but I've seen SO many of those exchanges. ANY hot girl has a ton of those conversations in her phone, just ask her to show you what your competition is like or go on Tinder together and watch her swiping guys and look at her messages etc. Girls send me screencaps and shit all the time as we lol at those guys. And these guys are GOOD LOOKING rich dudes with nice cars and shit and these girls are just lol'ing at them because they're so fucking chode. And part of why they're chode is they don't why that girl isn't interested in them because they have looks and money and they thought that would get them girls so they go on these retarded desperate spirals like that because it's supposed to be working and isn't and they have no idea what's going on.

And they'll keep these guys orbiting because why not? These guys are DYING to orbit them, they consider it a priviledge to get to buy her dinner. These girls will chat with them just to get a free lunch and to drive their nice car etc and not put out. And the guys think they're making progress.

And these aren't even bitchy cunty girls, they're sweet as sugar to me because I don't act like a chode and they know I won't put up with that shit and I give them the value that they need (emotional rollercoasters, dominance, good sex, teasing, etc). But the way those guys are trying to get with them is so repulsive that those guys reduce themselves to garbage in the girl's eyes the exact same way you read that and probably cringed in repulsion.

And like that My Humps song says "I say no but they keep giving, so I keep on takin and no we ain't datin" How many guys would turn down a free steak dinner if it were offered to them every single day no strings attached by someone who's saying they want to buy it for you and it makes them happy to be able to buy it for you, day in and day out for years, multiple people offering? Like fine ok I'll eat this delicious free steak, but it doesn't make me "into" you and you're telling me you're okay with that so I guess I'll eat this steak and not feel bad.

@lh
"Women are very good on this layer, so men like YaReally’s friend get hypnotized or sedated by this layer to actually believe the women would say interesting stuff. This get’s especially dramatic in case of Oneitis, up to “my wife is my best friend”."

Yup exactly. He feels GOOD FEELS around her when they talk, and that's great. But realistically, objectively, the amount of things a woman can teach a man about life or anything practical is pretty limited compared to reversing the genders.

"What PUA’s do is focus on that layer directly and not care about the overt topic."

Yup. It's all subcomms. You can literally pick women up just making incomprehensible noises or speaking another language they don't understand or just SILENTLY with eye-contact and physicality etc. That's what women respond to and it's how they communicate with eachother.

"And if you ask me they are right to do so because that is the only layer where conversation with women is interesting. And yes, that layer can be interesting and fun even if the actual topics are meh."

Yup. The thing is when you get your subcomms handled you can talk about more interesting subjects to you, but understand that it's you teaching a 5yo child about that topic, she's not going to be able to throw brilliant wisdom back at you. Why WOULD she unless she happens to have very specifically studied that topic? She can fuck James Franco because she has a pussy the average woman has no reason to learn about deep topics to have a conversation with you on it lol

"And I never met a women really capable of spitting out these life-changing thoughts and ideas or only some brilliant logic proving some unlikely point. That’s simply not what they are good at, no matter what."

Yup. I've hung in highly educated circles and women are awesome at memorizing and regurgitating shit, but forming their own ideas and opinions? Even their own opinions, if they don't have group backing (like a mob of feminists) they'll usually cave and defer to your opinion ESPECIALLY if they like you, because not getting along is bad feels. (whereas we can all argue all day long and get pissed at eachother during the discussion but still grab a beer after and give no fucks)

"But that doesn’t mean you couldn’t or shouldn’t demand some level of conversation from women if you want to keep them around. It’s best to get them to qualify to you by trying to prove they aren’t as stupid as you say/think."

Yup. That's what we teach. Screen girls that you want to have in your life longer-term harder than you screen fuckbuddies or one night stands. And screen your future baby mama like a mothafucka.

But to screen ANY girls you have to be coming from a place of abundance with women instead of scarcity/thirst. And to get to that place of abundance you need to know how to GET girls. And to know how to get girls you need to learn game. And to learn game you need to go out and talk to some hotties and do Field Reports so other guys can help you lol

Which is why we focus so much on pushing guys to go out.

"What I think is dangerous though is expecting or believing women would be on the same intellectual level as men."

It would be GREAT if they are. If you meet a girl that IS, awesome, lock her down. But EXPECTING it by default is just an exercise in frustration.

"Especially in a Oneitis scenario or some equalist fantasy. Because if you get that, you will fulfill that fantasy by becoming dumber than you are – it’s the only way to met her level."

lol pretty much this. Oneitis will convince you that everything she says and does is magic and brilliant. How many of you are actually jealous of your buddy's oneitis? Like, it's rare. Usually it's "she's ALRIGHT but I mean, I don't really get why he thinks she's so amazing".


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on October 20th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
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@hollenhund
“that so many in the ‘sphere are apparently deeply invested in this narrative about average beta males being pathological, anti-social, solipsistic shitheads with a sense of entitlement.”

The idea that life owes you rewards for not stepping up and earning them is having a delusional sense of entitlement.

The idea that you should be able to get a girlfriend without learning to socialize and interacting with people is anti-social entitlement.

Like what do you want us to say? Oh, poor guys, life is hard so just die alone now you’re justified because it’s hard. If they want to change, the tools are there and they can change. It’s in their ability and it’s their choice to take it on or not.

“Nevermind that simple logic tells us that it’s precisely extroverted men that are most likely to be attracted to, and also attempt, PUA tactics.”

…lol I can’t even. I just. lol

“Look at me, I’m not one of those icky betas! See?” It’s designed to suck up to any woman and any self-convinced alpha who may be listening.

lol ya that’s my goal. I get so much mad poon from this comment section, you wouldn’t believe it, oh baby come to me damaged manosphere groupies!! lol

This is why I say you don’t actually WANT to fix your views. You LOVE them, you thrive off the negative victim shit.

@teddj4g
“Further, since we are in a parenting thread: do you want the mother of your children to be a dipshit?”

Do you want your BMW to be red or black? What’s that? You don’t HAVE a BMW? Well c’mon man, when you get your BMW tomorrow, what color do you want it to be? You’re NOT getting a BMW tomorrow? So it’s almost as if it doesn’t really matter WHAT color you want your BMW to be if there aren’t BMWs sitting in your driveway.

You can want girls to be whatever you want. I want a girl who can just fly to the moon, that would be super when we have kids. Except that’s not out there or is so rare that I should take it as a wonderful blessing if I DO stumble into it, but not expect it from every woman and build up negative mindsets about how all these bitches can’t fly to the moon lol

“What kind of daily interactions can you have with a live in woman if the depth of her personality is decorating and makeup?”

Ask the guys in Deadbedrooms.

“In the context of having children though, there are far more important traits that aren’t so fun but are essential for any chance of success.”

Ya, they’re super. And you should screen for them while understanding that 1) society incentivies women to have the OPPOSITE of those traits in 2015, and 2) maybe you SHOULDN’T be looking to have kids as soon as possible because most of the women you’re going to meet aren’t going to be quality mother material and maybe you need to put that “married with 2.5 kids by age 35” vision on hold and work on your game so you can meet a LOT of women and try to find girls with some of those quality motherly traits out there in 2015.

“Put another way: I’ve never wanted to get laid so badly I would set aside that the woman in front of me is only going to stay interesting to me until I’m finished. *shrug*”

Then you’re a super cool badass and I’m legitimately happy that you had a blessed life where you didn’t have the problem of being as thirsty as like 90% of average dudes are. So let guys like me help those guys because you admit that you can’t even relate to their problems or desperation lol You can’t get them laid, let alone get them a quality girlfriend or wife…PUA can at least get them laid so they can start looking for a quality GF or wife.

MOST guys don’t get into PUA to just slay tons of poon, they’re nice dudes who get into PUA because they’re hoping to get a girlfriend/wife as soon as possible and not have to go sarge. Then a lot of them find out the whole monogamy LTR thing isn’t what society told them it was and they end up enjoying being single and screening harder for quality LTR material before they settle down again.

@Jeremy
“That reads like a concession that you have no argument, you just want others to think that what I’m talking about here is somehow part of the FI.”

I love you lol

@teddj4g
“But you, as an individual man, can expect and get better behavior from individual women. Hell, in a way it works in your favor. If she’s into you, and wants to please you, she’ll learn to keep up with your conversation, or NEXT.”

Yes, and that’s EXACTLY what PUA teaches men TO do. But we also teach men to have realistic expectations of women and that ya, maybe you want the mother of your kids to have read the Encylopaedia for fun, and that’s super, you should screen for that before you have kids with a chick. But expecting that from some <25yo in a sexy dress that gives you a boner and getting pissed when she hasn't read the Encylopaedia for fun is just silly and negative and going to just make you be disappointed in all women because it's an unreasonable expectation lol

"Its a form of her qualifying for me: she is proving she is smart enough to understand the things that are important to me. Even if they aren’t important to her."

Yup. That's why we teach guys to do this. But guys starting out learning pickup are starting from a place of thirsty scarcity, not abundance and IDGAF attitude.

"Lol. I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant reason to avoid sub-25 yo women in my life. If this really is how things are, never marry is the right advice. These "women" are worse than kids, because kids aren't legally considered adults."

This is what I'm saying. I get that you old married dudes don't know what it's like out there 'cause you aren't in the young hookup/dating scene and you probably don't know guys who are 20+ and still virgins and see how frustrated and depressed and thirsty and on the verge of Elliot rampages, suicide, etc. those guys are and it's awesome that you didn't have to experience that and don't have to help people get through that, but shit is rough for guys in their 20s right now and we're trying to help them navigate REALITY in 2015, not some fantasy you old guys remember about a world that doesn't exist anymore.

Social media changed everything, even 10 years ago when I started learning PUA this shit was different. I remember when girls didn't even have cell phones or texting and I had to get home phone numbers and if you isolated a girl her friends would just assume she went home and give up after one lap of looking for her etc Change happens FAST and if you aren't out there every week, you're falling behind in what's happening out there.

@Jeremy
"It won’t change until men stop being thirsty and raise their standards for commitment. That’s the final, fatal flaw of MGTOW, imo. MGTOW offers nothing to the ladies as a new standard of behavior, it simply says, “No, I won’t interact with you.” "

I agree. It's like punishing a kid but not telling him how he can avoid the punishment or what better behavior you expect from him in the future. MGTOWs generally seem to just want women to "figure it out" (or to watch their videos and figure it out lol) and seem to prefer to just walk away instead of train them. Which is totally fine, they can do what they want, but I think it would help them to learn a bit of game so that they can have women in their lives on their terms and still be able to walk away and still only have women who get with their program on-board, but just have more access to hotter girls for their dick's sake.

@CaveClown
"Is this real? No exaggeration? This is how men talk to girls?"

I wish it wasn't, because I feel bad for those guys, but I've seen SO many of those exchanges. ANY hot girl has a ton of those conversations in her phone, just ask her to show you what your competition is like or go on Tinder together and watch her swiping guys and look at her messages etc. Girls send me screencaps and shit all the time as we lol at those guys. And these guys are GOOD LOOKING rich dudes with nice cars and shit and these girls are just lol'ing at them because they're so fucking chode. And part of why they're chode is they don't why that girl isn't interested in them because they have looks and money and they thought that would get them girls so they go on these retarded desperate spirals like that because it's supposed to be working and isn't and they have no idea what's going on.

And they'll keep these guys orbiting because why not? These guys are DYING to orbit them, they consider it a priviledge to get to buy her dinner. These girls will chat with them just to get a free lunch and to drive their nice car etc and not put out. And the guys think they're making progress.

And these aren't even bitchy cunty girls, they're sweet as sugar to me because I don't act like a chode and they know I won't put up with that shit and I give them the value that they need (emotional rollercoasters, dominance, good sex, teasing, etc). But the way those guys are trying to get with them is so repulsive that those guys reduce themselves to garbage in the girl's eyes the exact same way you read that and probably cringed in repulsion.

And like that My Humps song says "I say no but they keep giving, so I keep on takin and no we ain't datin" How many guys would turn down a free steak dinner if it were offered to them every single day no strings attached by someone who's saying they want to buy it for you and it makes them happy to be able to buy it for you, day in and day out for years, multiple people offering? Like fine ok I'll eat this delicious free steak, but it doesn't make me "into" you and you're telling me you're okay with that so I guess I'll eat this steak and not feel bad.

@lh
"Women are very good on this layer, so men like YaReally’s friend get hypnotized or sedated by this layer to actually believe the women would say interesting stuff. This get’s especially dramatic in case of Oneitis, up to “my wife is my best friend”."

Yup exactly. He feels GOOD FEELS around her when they talk, and that's great. But realistically, objectively, the amount of things a woman can teach a man about life or anything practical is pretty limited compared to reversing the genders.

"What PUA’s do is focus on that layer directly and not care about the overt topic."

Yup. It's all subcomms. You can literally pick women up just making incomprehensible noises or speaking another language they don't understand or just SILENTLY with eye-contact and physicality etc. That's what women respond to and it's how they communicate with eachother.

"And if you ask me they are right to do so because that is the only layer where conversation with women is interesting. And yes, that layer can be interesting and fun even if the actual topics are meh."

Yup. The thing is when you get your subcomms handled you can talk about more interesting subjects to you, but understand that it's you teaching a 5yo child about that topic, she's not going to be able to throw brilliant wisdom back at you. Why WOULD she unless she happens to have very specifically studied that topic? She can fuck James Franco because she has a pussy the average woman has no reason to learn about deep topics to have a conversation with you on it lol

"And I never met a women really capable of spitting out these life-changing thoughts and ideas or only some brilliant logic proving some unlikely point. That’s simply not what they are good at, no matter what."

Yup. I've hung in highly educated circles and women are awesome at memorizing and regurgitating shit, but forming their own ideas and opinions? Even their own opinions, if they don't have group backing (like a mob of feminists) they'll usually cave and defer to your opinion ESPECIALLY if they like you, because not getting along is bad feels. (whereas we can all argue all day long and get pissed at eachother during the discussion but still grab a beer after and give no fucks)

"But that doesn’t mean you couldn’t or shouldn’t demand some level of conversation from women if you want to keep them around. It’s best to get them to qualify to you by trying to prove they aren’t as stupid as you say/think."

Yup. That's what we teach. Screen girls that you want to have in your life longer-term harder than you screen fuckbuddies or one night stands. And screen your future baby mama like a mothafucka.

But to screen ANY girls you have to be coming from a place of abundance with women instead of scarcity/thirst. And to get to that place of abundance you need to know how to GET girls. And to know how to get girls you need to learn game. And to learn game you need to go out and talk to some hotties and do Field Reports so other guys can help you lol

Which is why we focus so much on pushing guys to go out.

"What I think is dangerous though is expecting or believing women would be on the same intellectual level as men."

It would be GREAT if they are. If you meet a girl that IS, awesome, lock her down. But EXPECTING it by default is just an exercise in frustration.

"Especially in a Oneitis scenario or some equalist fantasy. Because if you get that, you will fulfill that fantasy by becoming dumber than you are – it’s the only way to met her level."

lol pretty much this. Oneitis will convince you that everything she says and does is magic and brilliant. How many of you are actually jealous of your buddy's oneitis? Like, it's rare. Usually it's "she's ALRIGHT but I mean, I don't really get why he thinks she's so amazing".


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@teddj4g
“Oh, and you only need 1 four leaf clover to get good luck. ;)”

That’s a cute sentiment. Tell it to these guys:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/search?q=virgin&restrict_sr=on

And:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/comments/2xk74e/rtheredpill_was_right_im_a_beta_and_a_loser/

“I’m very short, think bottom 10% statistically. I used to be fat and now have massive ugly scars running through my body making my skin look like patched-up fabric.”

“The only thing going for me is a passion for art and a 6-figure career. But it doesn’t matter. I sit here alone with my paycheck and bitter memories of trying to be witty/engaging/interesting, asking out tons of girls and getting rejected each time.”

Lemme know how the whole “guys should just have high standards and not be desperate enough to bang girls that can’t quote the encyclopaedia like my unicorn wife” advice pans out for these guys.

PUA can help these guys get past this shit if they decide they want to put in the work and can work on letting go of the victim mindset and quit listening to people telling them that shit they’ll never have is what they need to get a girlfriend instead of shit they can develop over time from just talking to people.

The rest of society sweeps these guys under the rug as a “small minority” and hopes they just die alone and don’t take anyone with them Elliot Rogers style.

And this isn’t even the worst community for this out there. There are places I don’t even want to link because just giving them attention sends them spiraling.

I got a buddy who can’t even jack off ’cause he has so many negative shameful associations with it from all his lonely years jacking off as a teenager/young adult without knowing how to interact with girls.

No one offers these guys help except “hit the gym and make money brah”.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/comments/1n4ttm/i_fucking_hate_rtheredpill/

This guy’s hate of the TRP forums is why the TRP is retarded. They’re bought into a lot of bullshit beliefs because they don’t go out and challenge their limiting beliefs. So you get guys like this “Another person commented that out of all men, Asian men are at the bottom. More commenters posted about how they are so thankful that Asian men are so pathetic, because they get so much Asian “pussy” because of it.”

I’ve met asians who do pickup who get laid no problem, with hot white chicks. Same with short guys etc. You see this shit if you go out a lot and practice game and look for it and meet these guys and hang around them and see what pickup concepts they’re consciously or subconsciously executing that’s setting them apart from the stereotypes.

But they read these shitty negative beliefs about how asians can’t get pussy and it just confirms their negative beliefs and lets them spiral further and further. These guys naturally want to hyperfocus on any excuse people will give them because the alternative is hard as fuck and scary and there’s no guidance in most places for them and no one to help them out.

Meanwhile if they went to a PUA forum they’d find asian dudes like Kong from Simple Pickup telling them that shit doesn’t matter because it DOESN’T. If that guy could hang out with some asian dudes I’ve met for a few months their mindsets would probably rub off on him and he might get leverage to get out of his headspace.

“I don’t give a shit who I hurt. Nobody gives a shit about how much I hurt every day. They just feed me some random bullshit in hopes that it would “reach” me and keep me alive longer. I’m completely numb to everything they say now.”

This guy can’t even find a clover field let along find that four leafed clover for good luck winky-face.

Most of the dudes in that forum will reject Red Pill help because it’s solution is “be Chad Thundercock brah looks and money matter just go spend years trying to get those and it’ll magically happen”. PUA is giving guys a really simple little set of steps that anyone can execute and saying “just execute these over and over and write your Field Reports and the community will try to help you and over time you can do better than you’re doing now”.

These guys are EVERYWHERE. They hide it because they’ve learned to, but guys need help. Even a lot of the ones that turn to a hermit life of xbox and porn are still depressed and CRAVING the feeling of a girl legitimately liking them. Sometimes not even fucking them, just HOLDING HANDS and shit.

Who’s gonna help these guys? Are these guys gonna’ tell some chick who shows interest in them “you don’t know enough about politics sorry bye” and walk away? No way lol


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@teddj4g
“Oh, and you only need 1 four leaf clover to get good luck. ;)”

That’s a cute sentiment. Tell it to these guys:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/search?q=virgin&restrict_sr=on

And:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/comments/2xk74e/rtheredpill_was_right_im_a_beta_and_a_loser/

“I’m very short, think bottom 10% statistically. I used to be fat and now have massive ugly scars running through my body making my skin look like patched-up fabric.”

“The only thing going for me is a passion for art and a 6-figure career. But it doesn’t matter. I sit here alone with my paycheck and bitter memories of trying to be witty/engaging/interesting, asking out tons of girls and getting rejected each time.”

Lemme know how the whole “guys should just have high standards and not be desperate enough to bang girls that can’t quote the encyclopaedia like my unicorn wife” advice pans out for these guys.

PUA can help these guys get past this shit if they decide they want to put in the work and can work on letting go of the victim mindset and quit listening to people telling them that shit they’ll never have is what they need to get a girlfriend instead of shit they can develop over time from just talking to people.

The rest of society sweeps these guys under the rug as a “small minority” and hopes they just die alone and don’t take anyone with them Elliot Rogers style.

And this isn’t even the worst community for this out there. There are places I don’t even want to link because just giving them attention sends them spiraling.

I got a buddy who can’t even jack off ’cause he has so many negative shameful associations with it from all his lonely years jacking off as a teenager/young adult without knowing how to interact with girls.

No one offers these guys help except “hit the gym and make money brah”.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/comments/1n4ttm/i_fucking_hate_rtheredpill/

This guy’s hate of the TRP forums is why the TRP is retarded. They’re bought into a lot of bullshit beliefs because they don’t go out and challenge their limiting beliefs. So you get guys like this “Another person commented that out of all men, Asian men are at the bottom. More commenters posted about how they are so thankful that Asian men are so pathetic, because they get so much Asian “pussy” because of it.”

I’ve met asians who do pickup who get laid no problem, with hot white chicks. Same with short guys etc. You see this shit if you go out a lot and practice game and look for it and meet these guys and hang around them and see what pickup concepts they’re consciously or subconsciously executing that’s setting them apart from the stereotypes.

But they read these shitty negative beliefs about how asians can’t get pussy and it just confirms their negative beliefs and lets them spiral further and further. These guys naturally want to hyperfocus on any excuse people will give them because the alternative is hard as fuck and scary and there’s no guidance in most places for them and no one to help them out.

Meanwhile if they went to a PUA forum they’d find asian dudes like Kong from Simple Pickup telling them that shit doesn’t matter because it DOESN’T. If that guy could hang out with some asian dudes I’ve met for a few months their mindsets would probably rub off on him and he might get leverage to get out of his headspace.

“I don’t give a shit who I hurt. Nobody gives a shit about how much I hurt every day. They just feed me some random bullshit in hopes that it would “reach” me and keep me alive longer. I’m completely numb to everything they say now.”

This guy can’t even find a clover field let along find that four leafed clover for good luck winky-face.

Most of the dudes in that forum will reject Red Pill help because it’s solution is “be Chad Thundercock brah looks and money matter just go spend years trying to get those and it’ll magically happen”. PUA is giving guys a really simple little set of steps that anyone can execute and saying “just execute these over and over and write your Field Reports and the community will try to help you and over time you can do better than you’re doing now”.

These guys are EVERYWHERE. They hide it because they’ve learned to, but guys need help. Even a lot of the ones that turn to a hermit life of xbox and porn are still depressed and CRAVING the feeling of a girl legitimately liking them. Sometimes not even fucking them, just HOLDING HANDS and shit.

Who’s gonna help these guys? Are these guys gonna’ tell some chick who shows interest in them “you don’t know enough about politics sorry bye” and walk away? No way lol


Red Pill Parenting – Part II

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YaReally
on October 20th, 2015 at 6:11 pm
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@Blaximus
“I told him he could do the same thing if he would just TRY. I’m older than him, I’m greyer than him, and I have a wife and kids at home. He’s single, not older and grey, and he’s smart. But he would not even try. Even watching me, he believed that he could NEVER do those things.”

Welcome to knowing me circa my pre-PUA days, and most guys who get into pickup, before they get into it and baby step their way into success. Most of us don’t think we can do it. It’s fucking magical. You believe the social conditioning of “either you’re born with it or you aren’t”. Me 10+ years ago could never even IMAGINE doing what I’m doing now. I didn’t even know how to say hi to girls let alone touch them, good lord, or SWEAR in front of them or talk about SEX?? Not on your LIFE!! That’s for those other guys to do, they deserve the girls and some of them are just assholes, I’m not like that, bla bla bla

That’s why I know these mindsets, because most of us started from them. But we hit rock bottom so hard and got so desperate that we said “ok, I’ll try this weird PUA shit, these guys SOUND like they know what they’re talking about and the newbie mission is to just ask 10 people for the time today. Shit, I walked around for 4 hours and couldn’t ask a single person for the time, not even a little old man…ok this is harder than I thought, but these guys say to set my standard of success lower and just ask ONE person for the time today…I’ll try it…oh god, I stopped them and then forgot what I was supposed to say, ahh this is too embarrassing fuck I’m going to hide in my room for a week…but I’m so lonely…ok fuck, I’m going to try it again…just ask ONE PERSON for the time today. HOLY SHIT I DID IT!!! I ASKED A LITTLE OLD LADY FOR THE TIME!!!!! THIS IS AMAZING!!!!”

That’s basically how most PUAs start out. A lot of guys who’ve had success or been Naturals can’t even wrap their heads around someone going through that process but that’s how a TON of guys live.

But most people won’t change until they hit absolute rock bottom and are given some guidance on what to do from there. It’s like Fight Club said “it’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything”. As long as a guy isn’t at rock bottom he’ll have a hard time taking up PUA. Because he gets his rejections and then bails. The only time you stick through those rejections starting out is when you have NO OTHER OPTIONS.

That’s why I reject the whole “coddle them with victim mentality” shit. It just gives guys an excuse to not hit rock bottom. “It’s not MY fault, it’s society that’s UNFAIR”. Ya, it IS unfair, now what? Here are the steps to help you get out of where you are, you might not fuck an HB10 this weekend, hell you might spend a YEAR just trying to learn how to have a conversation with people…but if you WANT it, it’s there for you and there’s a community of guys who want you to succeed and tons of literature to help you.

If I had had a negative community to wrap myself in a victim identity way back then, I might not have taken up pickup because I’d go “whatever, it’s not my fault look at all these other guys having problems too, it’s society’s fault and now I have friends in this community who tell me not to bother with that PUA scam bullshit, and ignore those TRP assholes and fuck that “Rollo” guy’s blog what does he know, women are just bitches and sluts”.

But like I say, people will stumble across that subreddit and then just avoid it and avoid thinking about it and just hope everything goes away. And then we’re all surprised when some kid shoots up his school and we find out he was a lonely virgin who was angry he couldn’t get girls. That frustrated kid will go on to live 40-60 years walking the same sidewalks as you, driving the same roads as you, and at any point in that 40-60 years he may decide “fuck this”. If he gets therapy it’ll be some Blue Pill chick therapist who just fucks him up more. If he complains to his friends they’ll coddle him and tell him he’s a special snowflake. Society will tell him it’s his fault but not tell him how to fix it and spit on him for not just inherently KNOWING how to fix it. TRP will tell him to do shit that gets him attention but doesn’t fix his loneliness. A negative community will tell him it’s not his fault and fuck everyone and just stay down in the mud with us because you aren’t one of the ones who can do that stuff and neither are we and let’s all accept that.

But a positive community will say “Look man, you got dealt some shitty cards and this is gonna be hard, but if you want help we’ll help you and here are some really simple step by step things you can do to slowly start coming out of your shell and taking control of your life and working towards a better future. It won’t be a magic pill (despite the marketing) but it can help make a difference in your life. If you don’t want that, that’s cool we hope you find a way to take care of yourself and be happy, but if you want to go down this path it’s right here waiting for you, we all came from a similar place a long time ago so we understand it’s a struggle but guys have been chained by society to not realize how much potential they actually have.”

That’s what we try to do (though now that PUA has gone super mainstream the forums aren’t as good as back in the day lol)

“Oneitis is hard with that mindset too. What if this is the only girl I could ever have sex with, ever? What if I get out there and can’t get any female attention at all?”

Ya, this is why most guys are in shitty relationships. Fear of not being able to find another one. Even guys who do pickup and Naturals run into this if they let their social skills slack off in an LTR. People generally play to “not lose” instead of playing “to win”.

“I close it, then re-open the link. I can’t grasp what I’m reading there.”

Welcome to how a SIGNIFICANT percent of men live. Those are just the ones that verbalize it in a forum. We deal with these guys and they need a lot more help than “hit the gym and don’t hook up with girls who don’t have motherly qualities” lol

This is why when I’m out and I see a dude who’s clearly uncomfortable and feeling out of place at the bar I’ll cheers him and just shoot the shit. That one conversation where he just feels for 2 minutes like another human being could view him as an actual human being who matters, could make a huge difference in the path his life takes. Some dude did it for me and I’m just paying it forward.


Red Pill Parenting – Part II

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YaReally
on October 20th, 2015 at 6:11 pm
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@Blaximus
“I told him he could do the same thing if he would just TRY. I’m older than him, I’m greyer than him, and I have a wife and kids at home. He’s single, not older and grey, and he’s smart. But he would not even try. Even watching me, he believed that he could NEVER do those things.”

Welcome to knowing me circa my pre-PUA days, and most guys who get into pickup, before they get into it and baby step their way into success. Most of us don’t think we can do it. It’s fucking magical. You believe the social conditioning of “either you’re born with it or you aren’t”. Me 10+ years ago could never even IMAGINE doing what I’m doing now. I didn’t even know how to say hi to girls let alone touch them, good lord, or SWEAR in front of them or talk about SEX?? Not on your LIFE!! That’s for those other guys to do, they deserve the girls and some of them are just assholes, I’m not like that, bla bla bla

That’s why I know these mindsets, because most of us started from them. But we hit rock bottom so hard and got so desperate that we said “ok, I’ll try this weird PUA shit, these guys SOUND like they know what they’re talking about and the newbie mission is to just ask 10 people for the time today. Shit, I walked around for 4 hours and couldn’t ask a single person for the time, not even a little old man…ok this is harder than I thought, but these guys say to set my standard of success lower and just ask ONE person for the time today…I’ll try it…oh god, I stopped them and then forgot what I was supposed to say, ahh this is too embarrassing fuck I’m going to hide in my room for a week…but I’m so lonely…ok fuck, I’m going to try it again…just ask ONE PERSON for the time today. HOLY SHIT I DID IT!!! I ASKED A LITTLE OLD LADY FOR THE TIME!!!!! THIS IS AMAZING!!!!”

That’s basically how most PUAs start out. A lot of guys who’ve had success or been Naturals can’t even wrap their heads around someone going through that process but that’s how a TON of guys live.

But most people won’t change until they hit absolute rock bottom and are given some guidance on what to do from there. It’s like Fight Club said “it’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything”. As long as a guy isn’t at rock bottom he’ll have a hard time taking up PUA. Because he gets his rejections and then bails. The only time you stick through those rejections starting out is when you have NO OTHER OPTIONS.

That’s why I reject the whole “coddle them with victim mentality” shit. It just gives guys an excuse to not hit rock bottom. “It’s not MY fault, it’s society that’s UNFAIR”. Ya, it IS unfair, now what? Here are the steps to help you get out of where you are, you might not fuck an HB10 this weekend, hell you might spend a YEAR just trying to learn how to have a conversation with people…but if you WANT it, it’s there for you and there’s a community of guys who want you to succeed and tons of literature to help you.

If I had had a negative community to wrap myself in a victim identity way back then, I might not have taken up pickup because I’d go “whatever, it’s not my fault look at all these other guys having problems too, it’s society’s fault and now I have friends in this community who tell me not to bother with that PUA scam bullshit, and ignore those TRP assholes and fuck that “Rollo” guy’s blog what does he know, women are just bitches and sluts”.

But like I say, people will stumble across that subreddit and then just avoid it and avoid thinking about it and just hope everything goes away. And then we’re all surprised when some kid shoots up his school and we find out he was a lonely virgin who was angry he couldn’t get girls. That frustrated kid will go on to live 40-60 years walking the same sidewalks as you, driving the same roads as you, and at any point in that 40-60 years he may decide “fuck this”. If he gets therapy it’ll be some Blue Pill chick therapist who just fucks him up more. If he complains to his friends they’ll coddle him and tell him he’s a special snowflake. Society will tell him it’s his fault but not tell him how to fix it and spit on him for not just inherently KNOWING how to fix it. TRP will tell him to do shit that gets him attention but doesn’t fix his loneliness. A negative community will tell him it’s not his fault and fuck everyone and just stay down in the mud with us because you aren’t one of the ones who can do that stuff and neither are we and let’s all accept that.

But a positive community will say “Look man, you got dealt some shitty cards and this is gonna be hard, but if you want help we’ll help you and here are some really simple step by step things you can do to slowly start coming out of your shell and taking control of your life and working towards a better future. It won’t be a magic pill (despite the marketing) but it can help make a difference in your life. If you don’t want that, that’s cool we hope you find a way to take care of yourself and be happy, but if you want to go down this path it’s right here waiting for you, we all came from a similar place a long time ago so we understand it’s a struggle but guys have been chained by society to not realize how much potential they actually have.”

That’s what we try to do (though now that PUA has gone super mainstream the forums aren’t as good as back in the day lol)

“Oneitis is hard with that mindset too. What if this is the only girl I could ever have sex with, ever? What if I get out there and can’t get any female attention at all?”

Ya, this is why most guys are in shitty relationships. Fear of not being able to find another one. Even guys who do pickup and Naturals run into this if they let their social skills slack off in an LTR. People generally play to “not lose” instead of playing “to win”.

“I close it, then re-open the link. I can’t grasp what I’m reading there.”

Welcome to how a SIGNIFICANT percent of men live. Those are just the ones that verbalize it in a forum. We deal with these guys and they need a lot more help than “hit the gym and don’t hook up with girls who don’t have motherly qualities” lol

This is why when I’m out and I see a dude who’s clearly uncomfortable and feeling out of place at the bar I’ll cheers him and just shoot the shit. That one conversation where he just feels for 2 minutes like another human being could view him as an actual human being who matters, could make a huge difference in the path his life takes. Some dude did it for me and I’m just paying it forward.


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YaReally
on October 21st, 2015 at 1:08 pm
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@Forge the Sky
“He’s not saying looks don’t work; in fact, he stresses that they can work just fine practically every other comment. He’s stressing that it’s not a good plan to bank on them”

The reason I stress it in practically every other comment is because I know even DOING THAT, nobody will read it and will still blindly miss my point because it’s such a personal hot-button issue to guys that they’re so emotionally invested in that the SECOND they read “looks don’t matter” they go haywire like a bull surrounded by red flags and it’s like “WELL U HATE MEN U FEMINAZI AND PUAS SAY MEN R LAZY AND UR SAYING GUYS SHULD JUST NOT BATHE AND DRESS LIKE HOMELESS PPL AND GOOD LOOKING GUYS ARE ALL VIRGINS IM SO ANGRY FOR NO REASON AHHHHHHH” lol

@Rollo
“YaReally may disagree with this, but good Game isn’t about numbers, it’s about consistency.”

I agree completely. It’s why we stress going out and why we say like, open a girl on your lunch break or go out for 20 minutes each night and open a set, that’s going to help you a lot more than just getting drunk with your buddies and spam approaching on the weekends. You might even get laid more with the weekend drunk spamming but you won’t really be developing “game”. Opening a girl in the daytime and closing a girl off an instadate sober will teach you a lot more about game than the weekend partying stuff.

“Any guy can make 100 approaches in a weekend and get blown out 98% of it”

Really I’m not a big fan of the whole spam approach thing in general. It’s important for newbies at first because like, they need to just get out of the house and realize talking to people and getting rejected by girls isn’t the end of the world so it’s not so scary and they can start to learn.

But ideally after they get used to going out I think they should start focusing on something like Mystery Method that’ll give them an actual skillset. They probably won’t even get laid as much at first, but down the road they’ll have a much better structure and much higher consistency so they don’t HAVE to approach 100 sets to pull a girl. This weekend I pulled the first girl I opened in a venue we hit up and she’s coming over to bang tonight. Does that happen every night? No, but because I have a really solid understanding of how this stuff works I can do a lot less approaches than a lot of the partying guys with no calibration or structure are doing out there. Ideally with proper MM you should be able to walk into a chill lounge on a weeknight with just a few girls in it and be able to pull one of those girls (or at least get a solid #-close and set up a Day2) because you know how to DHV your way into being the most interesting man in the room to them.

Mystery’s “5 for 5” concept was that running proper game you should be able to open 5 girls and convert them to 5 long-term girlfriends because that’s the skillset he was teaching. That’s WHY there was all this information on diffusing cockblocks and LMR and AMOGs and boyfriend destroyers and bitch-shields, because the original purpose of MM was to allow guys to navigate and overcome that stuff to get the specific girl they’re interested in. You see that dream girl in a mixed set across the room and you go over KNOWING that you have the skills to very likely end up getting her because you understand all the dynamics and have a bunch of tools to make it happen.

That’s why Mystery’s thing was “it takes about 7 hours from meet to lay”. We all know we can fuck girls faster than that. But Mystery wasn’t trying to just fuck them, he was trying to blow their fucking minds and make the girl think “holy shit I’ve never met anyone like this before in my life I’m in love with this guy” because he’s flipping all their switches as both a Lover AND a Provider (because he actually LIKES women and enjoys going on dates and taking them out to hang out with his friends etc, I actively take myself out of the Provider frame because I just want sex lol).

Like that girl incomprehensibly fawning over Tyler and his “perfect teeth and perfect lips” and saying “I feel like I’m not up to par to be with you” is the goal of Mystery Method, where the girl is like, demanding your number and is worried she doesn’t even deserve you and is crying if you won’t take her number because it’s like you’re taking away her lottery winnings.

Unfortunately RSD/TRP/Manosphere etc have taken things toward “spam approach that shit and if you get ANY resistance whatsoever, Next that ungrateful bitch and hit up the next” which to me isn’t really “game”, it’s just spamming for receptive girls. It’s why they get a lot more flakes and bang a lot more girls they aren’t into and they get wildly inconsistent results. They hit the gym and flash some more externals and get some more positive attention and then still end up dropping the ball halfway through or towards the end because they refuse to learn actual game.

The catch with RSD is that the instructors all KNOW and USE Mystery Method under the surface, it’s blatantly obvious when you know what to look for. It’s just really well hidden because they’ve been doing it so long that it’s second nature to them now.

And the big problem is you fill a lot more bootcamps if you can state-boost a newbie and get him spam approaching and taking a girl home that weekend. I don’t really agree with this method because while it’s great that that guy gets some experience pulling which could be the first time he’s ever had sex, I don’t think it teaches him very much long-term and generally those guys end up just using the spam approach and Next method.

That’s why I link a shitload of RSD videos that teach concepts and tactics and techniques because it’s rock solid information, but I don’t tell people “go sign up for a bootcamp”. Theoretically all a guy needs is to really understand Mystery Method and watch a few RSD vids and laser vids (check my archive where I’ve linked newbie stuff) and just hit the field practicing it piece by piece.

“5 for 5” might be an insane goal, BUT if you’re running proper Mystery Method game it’s not that unrealistic, because you know how to navigate through lukewarm reception or resistance or obstacles to eventually spark attraction. It really is an “art form”, but everybody just brushes it off as “fuzzy hat shit” and focuses on hitting the gym or Next’ing girls they haven’t fucked lol

That’s why a lot of my views contradict what TRP/Manosphere/etc. say. Because I’m not just trying to get guys laid, I’m trying to get guys to build a solid structure and deep understanding of this stuff that’s going to pay off huge for them in the end.

One of the most depressed guys in the world is the guy who can get a ton of pussy but fucking HATES all the girls he’s fucking, because he took what was offered to him (passive game relying on externals etc, instead of being able to choose and get the girls he wants) and he doesn’t know how to screen/qualify or train girls or Soft Next them properly etc so that the girls he has in his life are high-quality to him and he actually ENJOYS his harem.

I’d rather make guys into the latter instead of the former even if the former comes a lot faster and easier (once you don’t mind getting rejected a bunch playing the numbers game). If we want guys to be able to screen for motherly qualities and shit, you’re not really doing that when you’re out there spam-approaching girls you aren’t even into and taking the ones that make it easy for you. “I GO GET WASTED AND SPAM A BUNCH OF BAR CHICKS AND THEN TAKE HOME THE ONE THAT MAKES IT THE EASIEST TO FUCK ME, WHY CAN’T I FIND A GOOD GIRL WITH MOTHERLY QUALITIES THAT DOESN’T SUCK A BUNCH OF DICKS IN THE BATHROOM I DONT GET IT BITCHES R STOOPID!!!”

That girl with the motherly qualities is probably the sober social one out with a group of friends or is in the grocery store buying kale instead of at the bar…oldschool pickup gave you the tools to open and probably spark that girl’s interest whether you were her physical type and she was shooting you ai’s and ioi’s in the cereal aisle or not.


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@Forge the Sky
“He’s not saying looks don’t work; in fact, he stresses that they can work just fine practically every other comment. He’s stressing that it’s not a good plan to bank on them”

The reason I stress it in practically every other comment is because I know even DOING THAT, nobody will read it and will still blindly miss my point because it’s such a personal hot-button issue to guys that they’re so emotionally invested in that the SECOND they read “looks don’t matter” they go haywire like a bull surrounded by red flags and it’s like “WELL U HATE MEN U FEMINAZI AND PUAS SAY MEN R LAZY AND UR SAYING GUYS SHULD JUST NOT BATHE AND DRESS LIKE HOMELESS PPL AND GOOD LOOKING GUYS ARE ALL VIRGINS IM SO ANGRY FOR NO REASON AHHHHHHH” lol

@Rollo
“YaReally may disagree with this, but good Game isn’t about numbers, it’s about consistency.”

I agree completely. It’s why we stress going out and why we say like, open a girl on your lunch break or go out for 20 minutes each night and open a set, that’s going to help you a lot more than just getting drunk with your buddies and spam approaching on the weekends. You might even get laid more with the weekend drunk spamming but you won’t really be developing “game”. Opening a girl in the daytime and closing a girl off an instadate sober will teach you a lot more about game than the weekend partying stuff.

“Any guy can make 100 approaches in a weekend and get blown out 98% of it”

Really I’m not a big fan of the whole spam approach thing in general. It’s important for newbies at first because like, they need to just get out of the house and realize talking to people and getting rejected by girls isn’t the end of the world so it’s not so scary and they can start to learn.

But ideally after they get used to going out I think they should start focusing on something like Mystery Method that’ll give them an actual skillset. They probably won’t even get laid as much at first, but down the road they’ll have a much better structure and much higher consistency so they don’t HAVE to approach 100 sets to pull a girl. This weekend I pulled the first girl I opened in a venue we hit up and she’s coming over to bang tonight. Does that happen every night? No, but because I have a really solid understanding of how this stuff works I can do a lot less approaches than a lot of the partying guys with no calibration or structure are doing out there. Ideally with proper MM you should be able to walk into a chill lounge on a weeknight with just a few girls in it and be able to pull one of those girls (or at least get a solid #-close and set up a Day2) because you know how to DHV your way into being the most interesting man in the room to them.

Mystery’s “5 for 5” concept was that running proper game you should be able to open 5 girls and convert them to 5 long-term girlfriends because that’s the skillset he was teaching. That’s WHY there was all this information on diffusing cockblocks and LMR and AMOGs and boyfriend destroyers and bitch-shields, because the original purpose of MM was to allow guys to navigate and overcome that stuff to get the specific girl they’re interested in. You see that dream girl in a mixed set across the room and you go over KNOWING that you have the skills to very likely end up getting her because you understand all the dynamics and have a bunch of tools to make it happen.

That’s why Mystery’s thing was “it takes about 7 hours from meet to lay”. We all know we can fuck girls faster than that. But Mystery wasn’t trying to just fuck them, he was trying to blow their fucking minds and make the girl think “holy shit I’ve never met anyone like this before in my life I’m in love with this guy” because he’s flipping all their switches as both a Lover AND a Provider (because he actually LIKES women and enjoys going on dates and taking them out to hang out with his friends etc, I actively take myself out of the Provider frame because I just want sex lol).

Like that girl incomprehensibly fawning over Tyler and his “perfect teeth and perfect lips” and saying “I feel like I’m not up to par to be with you” is the goal of Mystery Method, where the girl is like, demanding your number and is worried she doesn’t even deserve you and is crying if you won’t take her number because it’s like you’re taking away her lottery winnings.

Unfortunately RSD/TRP/Manosphere etc have taken things toward “spam approach that shit and if you get ANY resistance whatsoever, Next that ungrateful bitch and hit up the next” which to me isn’t really “game”, it’s just spamming for receptive girls. It’s why they get a lot more flakes and bang a lot more girls they aren’t into and they get wildly inconsistent results. They hit the gym and flash some more externals and get some more positive attention and then still end up dropping the ball halfway through or towards the end because they refuse to learn actual game.

The catch with RSD is that the instructors all KNOW and USE Mystery Method under the surface, it’s blatantly obvious when you know what to look for. It’s just really well hidden because they’ve been doing it so long that it’s second nature to them now.

And the big problem is you fill a lot more bootcamps if you can state-boost a newbie and get him spam approaching and taking a girl home that weekend. I don’t really agree with this method because while it’s great that that guy gets some experience pulling which could be the first time he’s ever had sex, I don’t think it teaches him very much long-term and generally those guys end up just using the spam approach and Next method.

That’s why I link a shitload of RSD videos that teach concepts and tactics and techniques because it’s rock solid information, but I don’t tell people “go sign up for a bootcamp”. Theoretically all a guy needs is to really understand Mystery Method and watch a few RSD vids and laser vids (check my archive where I’ve linked newbie stuff) and just hit the field practicing it piece by piece.

“5 for 5” might be an insane goal, BUT if you’re running proper Mystery Method game it’s not that unrealistic, because you know how to navigate through lukewarm reception or resistance or obstacles to eventually spark attraction. It really is an “art form”, but everybody just brushes it off as “fuzzy hat shit” and focuses on hitting the gym or Next’ing girls they haven’t fucked lol

That’s why a lot of my views contradict what TRP/Manosphere/etc. say. Because I’m not just trying to get guys laid, I’m trying to get guys to build a solid structure and deep understanding of this stuff that’s going to pay off huge for them in the end.

One of the most depressed guys in the world is the guy who can get a ton of pussy but fucking HATES all the girls he’s fucking, because he took what was offered to him (passive game relying on externals etc, instead of being able to choose and get the girls he wants) and he doesn’t know how to screen/qualify or train girls or Soft Next them properly etc so that the girls he has in his life are high-quality to him and he actually ENJOYS his harem.

I’d rather make guys into the latter instead of the former even if the former comes a lot faster and easier (once you don’t mind getting rejected a bunch playing the numbers game). If we want guys to be able to screen for motherly qualities and shit, you’re not really doing that when you’re out there spam-approaching girls you aren’t even into and taking the ones that make it easy for you. “I GO GET WASTED AND SPAM A BUNCH OF BAR CHICKS AND THEN TAKE HOME THE ONE THAT MAKES IT THE EASIEST TO FUCK ME, WHY CAN’T I FIND A GOOD GIRL WITH MOTHERLY QUALITIES THAT DOESN’T SUCK A BUNCH OF DICKS IN THE BATHROOM I DONT GET IT BITCHES R STOOPID!!!”

That girl with the motherly qualities is probably the sober social one out with a group of friends or is in the grocery store buying kale instead of at the bar…oldschool pickup gave you the tools to open and probably spark that girl’s interest whether you were her physical type and she was shooting you ai’s and ioi’s in the cereal aisle or not.


The Vetting Process

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“Naysayers should note that we won’t hear the times a gaming guy /PUA got assertive with a female and she shut him down with ” no commitment ,no sex. O you don’t do relationships? Kthnxbye “, but I bet it happens a lot more often then we’d think glossing over various comment sections.”

This is bullshit, sorry. There’s no need to lie to make your point. We talk about this all the fucking time. And we have routines and strategies to 1) avoid running into it in the first place, and 2) disarm it most of the time if we DO run into it (yes, even with the innocent smart good-girls guys think are unicorns, there’s tons of tactics available for that shit). It’s rare to not be able to work around it but it does happen and we do write about it and break down exactly what kind of factors lead to it happening (ie – stuff like a woman in her 30s is more likely to have that attitude than a chick in her early 20s, if you give off Provider traits she’s more likely to demand commitment than if you’re tapping into the Lover side of her brain, environmental factors and her life experiences come into play etc etc).

“As such , if you’re a typical 5’8″ guy with a typical middle class job and a typical body type and facial construction, fugediboutit. Why should a typical HB even interact with a guy like that when ten Brad Pitt copies reside in her Tinder que?”

Definitely. Remember guys, you need a suit and a 6-pack to get hot girls, here’s some infield of a new RSD instructor to prove that hot girls will run away from an a guy unless you’re a super sexy rich Don Draper CEO like this dude:

Now is this guy’s game retardedly high-energy? Yes, clearly. Is this the style of game I want to run in my mid-30s? No, of course not. There are things I don’t like about his in-field like his kino is too gropey/forced to me. But the point is 1) he’s executing game principles (qualifying them, giving them orders, leading the interaction, solid eye-contact, confidence, assuming they like him, social proof and merging sets forward, positive energy, Buying Temp spikes, teasing, kino, freedom from outcome, etc) and 2) if the “fugediboutit” guys were right girls would be running from this dude not clearly enjoying themselves.

This isn’t even amazing infield footage. I’ve seen uglier and just plain average guys running better game than this. It’s all out there to see if you just go out a lot. You will never see it if you aren’t going out regularly.

This guy has excellent internal mindsets, if you listen to his talk with Todd he brings up a lot of great points especially for the overly analytical “over-thinker” types (like myself and a lot of guys who get into pickup and feel over-thinking is a curse). This dude has solid internals and understands the externals of how to demonstrate value and lead interactions forward. So it doesn’t matter that he looks like RSD went back in time and brought back a younger fatter Tyler in a baggy t-shirt lol

My point isn’t “do high-energy game like him”, it doesn’t matter if you’re running high or low energy game as long as you’re following pickup principles. Which have all been laid out in Mystery Method and Mystery’s seminars since Day 1 for anyone to learn.

“For the Average Guys […] the LTR route is sometimes the only way forward; if they try “Alpha ” strategy she’s gone for literally bigger and better and he’s back to Square One chasing tail for months before getting another girl, who then does the same thing by embargoing sex in exchange for commitment.”

lol mental masturbation. If those guys would study proper game and ACTUALLY GO OUT and gain field experience pushing their comfort zone and trying shit they think they shouldn’t be able to get away with so they can shatter their own limiting beliefs (instead of going out and running the same game they’ve been running for years, letting their own mental success barriers about “I’m not the kind of guy who can have no-strings sex and harems and shit, girls wouldn’t chase me like that that’s OTHER guys” hold them back) they’d be able to get laid no strings attached and start seeing that all of this shit is just social conditioning.

But a lot of them spend their time writing bitter posts about how you have to be a good-looking rich CEO model in a suit to get girls to want to fuck you while they bang out 6s and 7s at best (making excuses not to approach the hottest girls in the venue), instead of going out and treating the field as an experiemental lab to push their comfort zones and actually see what happens when you regularly run proper game on smokin hotties you “shouldn’t” be able to get.


The Vetting Process

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On the subject of vetting, I figure linking my breakdown of why monogamy is broken and explaining pLTRs is relevant because you can vet all you want but EVERYTHING IN SOCIETY in 2015 is working against even a heavily vetted girl staying attracted to you in a traditional monogamous LTR (ESPECIALLY a legal one) where you’re voluntarily giving up the ability to make her value you (I break it all down in this comment):

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-114069

That said, I’m not anti-relationship, I’m just anti traditional relationship. A guy getting legally married in 2015 is either severely uninformed/misinformed or clinically insane.

But getting together with a girl for a long period of time and having a kid etc? Ya sure, go for it. I even think that could be HEALTHY for a lot of guys esp in an pLTR setup where the guy can have a chick or two on the side.

But just do it with a full understanding of how shit like Hypergamy works and why making a legal/mono commitment is handicapping your chances of success and why girls THESE DAYS are not the same as girls from 10-20+ years ago, and why if you DO get legally married because you like gambling you better make damn sure you have a killer career like working with bottle service models that runs dread game for you and why your career as an accountant or IT tech is going to fuck you over if you get legally married or enter a monogamous LTR, in 2015.

And like benfromtexas says “I think tech also affects women. I’ve noticed the past 10 years the cellular age has changed women.”

I break that down in my pLTR comment too. It absolutely does affect them. Shit has changed in 2015. Let go of old traditions and belief systems, adapt to the reality in front of us, or end up just another sad statistic.

I’m mid-30s and out at the kiddie nightclubs all the time still. You can see all this shit when you mack on these girls. I started gaming before social media existed, before Facebook, before people even used texting. Shit was DIFFERENT then and the girls had the same hard-wiring but much different social/technological/feminism external influences.

Shit is off the rails now, the feels are running free and wild, and if you aren’t out there macking the <25yo crowd regularly and still think you're going to find a <40yo low n-count chick in 2015 that you can get legally married to or run a traditional monogamous LTR with and have it last for 40 years without her straying, you're a fucking dreamer lol

If you're just starting out, learn to run plates. Once you can run plates, start experimenting with OPENLY running them (so the girls know you're banging other girls). Once you can openly run them, start experimenting with pLTRs (making one plate your Primary GF and other plates Secondary to her) and learn the nuances of how to make that dynamic work (again read my comment I linked). Run a few pLTRs and you're FAR better equipped to make an LTR work in 2015 than attempting traditional monogamy and legal marriage.

It's like a war that had rules to keep shit from getting too fucked up, but one side has decided to toss the rules out and the other side is still clinging to them and getting slaughtered out of some retarded sense of "honor" or fear of having their Disney dreams of marrying a unicorn shattered.

Men need to take their heads out of the sand and adapt to the way society has shifted if they want to survive.

But they won't listen, of course. No one ever does, they need to get burned, often more than once, before they finally accept AWALT.


The Vetting Process

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“I’m not saying I’m going MGTOW yet, but it looks more appealing each time the results are an evening I really didn’t enjoy and a blow out. I’m trying different parts of town with different friends and getting the same results.”

Link some of your Field Reports in this comment thread and tag my name (I’m busy working these days so I’m just dropping in randomly here and there right now but I’ll come back to this thread) and I’ll look for sticking points and shit you can tweak in them.

A BIG part of why I got good fast was that the old community was HUGE on Field Reports. It was a beautiful environment to learn in with tons of quality advice and technical breakdowns etc. Now a lot of Field Reports just have guys with weak game shouting “BRO JUST DON’T OVERTHINK IT ALL THOSE GIRLS WANNA FUCK MAN JUST BE COOL” or giving bad advice because they haven’t actually studied much or had much experience and are just caught up in newbie excitement of wanting to seem “pro”.

Personally I don’t hate on MGTOWs. They’ve at least made a conscious decision and chosen a path in life, that’s better than the guy who ends up married to a fat 4/10 who doesn’t put out and cheats on him because he was pressured into marrying her and let society and other people dictate his path and values in life.

At the same time I think a lot of them could learn game if they wanted to and it would make dealing with women a lot less negative but they would need a teacher who fully understands their mindset of “girls just don’t seem worth the trouble” and who understands what that trouble is etc. Like PUA doesn’t focus on men’s rights or anything so it’s hard for a PUA instructor to understand that that MGTOW is viewing women as selfish entitled divorce-machines etc so the PUA isn’t going to be able to relate to the MGTOW to teach him game and the MGTOW isn’t going to listen to the PUA because the PUA doesn’t understand the basics of why the MGTOW is a MGTOW in the first place.

In an ideal world there would be a PUA/MGTOW combo resource that addresses the key issues MGTOWs have with women and show how PUA can be used to work around or avoid those issues with as little effort as possible without huge investments of chasing tail.

It’s funny because if MGTOWs and PUAs would ACTUALLY study what each group is teaching instead of proclaiming judgements based on stereotypes or bad experiences, they would find that they actually have a lot of very similar goals and mindsets that overlap…both groups have an ideal outcome of “my life and my happiness is my primary focus and a woman who’s too much trouble doesn’t get to be a part of that” And the MGTOWs who DO date treat them exactly like I treat them: “you can be in my life if you follow my rules, if you don’t want to follow them then you can go, I’m cool either way because my happiness comes first”. PUA would give them the tools to efficiently learn how to establish, set, and enforce those boundaries and how to set the frame with women properly so that more women accept those boundaries and WILL come fuck them on their terms so they can still be MGTOW but also get laid by girls that are attracted to them instead of hookers etc.

But everyone wants to just paint the other side with a negative brush. Like the RVF shitting on MGTOWs (“they’re all virgin loser omegas”), MGTOWs shitting on PUAs (“they’re all pussy-worshippers who supplicate for validation”), and all sides hating on MRAs (“bunch of whining complainers who can’t get laid!!”) while MRAs hate on all sides (“they’re all pussy-worshippers or manipulative!!”), etc etc etc

It’s retarded when you actually study each of the communities. There is SO much overlap between all these different spheres where we could narrow down AMAZING systems for younger men to learn from, if guys could just take their heads out of their asses to have a rational discussion lol


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Also I meant to mention: game is supposed to be FUN lol So like, if you aren’t having fun, that’s where it’s like ok let’s look at your FRs and see if we can figure out where shit’s going off the rails because you’ll have a lot more fun if you’re actually getting success.

It could be something technical you’re doing wrong, which should be a pretty clear pattern that stands out if you do up a handful of Field Reports over a period of time.

Or it could be as simple as changing your mindsets (skip to 1:45, but the very start is funny when he jokes about how he KNOWS he comes off a little weird to people and it’s because he started out so fucked up):

This is a really good internal mindset video. Even I struggle with this at times and have to consciously remind myself “celebrate every little success”. Even TAKING ACTION is success to me and ya it doesn’t mean I got my dick wet but if you and I both approach girls and we both get shot down, I come back feeling GOOD and thinking “that was awesome, I can’t believe I went over to that girl, who else would have the balls to do that?? Sure she didn’t like me but whatever, that was amazing” so I’m looking FORWARD to my next approach and I roll into my next set feeling GREAT…whereas most guys will come back from being shot down feeling like shit and thinking negative thought loops and angry/frustrated that the girl didn’t like them, so how are they going to go into their next set? They feel like SHIT, and probably just want to go HOME, and if they DO roll into the next set they’re coming in with shitty energy because they’re beating themselves up for not getting that first girl.

Like, that’s literally all internal mindset stuff. The gym won’t fix it, being CEO won’t fix it, if anything looking REALLY good-looking will make it WORSE because on top of beating yourself up for not succeeding you have every attribute that society tells you should make it a cakewalk for you to succeed and you’re STILL failing so wow you must be the biggest loser in the WORLD if you still can’t get laid when you have a 6-pack and muscles and a BMW and amazing high-value career…at least that loser with the beer belly and no money is EXPECTED to not succeed lol

But you can fix that kind of thing with internal mindset work. Everyone has to do it. I love the game but it’s because I work on my mindsets to help me love it. The reality is I’m mid-30s and hitting up a bar full of <25yos is harder now than it was at 25, I have less energy and can't handle drinking and have less money to blow right now while I focus on my career etc. It would be SO EASY to let myself fall into negative mindsets and DREAD going out.

But that'll lead to me just not going out anymore, and then being dissatisfied and frustrated, and who the fuck knows where THAT'LL lead but it won't be pretty.

So I purposely focus on positive mindsets and make an effort to celebrate every little victory and use that momentum toward my next sets etc. Like the other night my buddy and I ran a 5-set with them and us all stone cold sober, the only guys in the room to even TRY hitting on the girls because the other guys were drinking their liquid courage working up the nerve to give it a go. It went decent and I got a solid number out of it (my buddy dropped the ball and forgot to #-close his girl lol he's working on feeling entitled enough to go for the number, he told himself she couldn't actually be as into him as she was, I was actually only in the set because his girl was so into him that I was like "fuck I'm going to be standing here like a retard if I don't just open the other girls in this set") but when we left I didn't celebrate "I'm gonna get laid!!", I don't even care if the girl flakes on our day2 ('cause I'll have met more girls by then anyway), we celebrated that we even OPENED those girls and pushed our comfort zone and opened sober when all the other guys were scared to open. To us that was EPIC and it was bro-fists all around over how awesome we are, so when we went to the next venue we rode that good energy in and just walked right into a set as soon as we got in there.

But if we had focused on how my buddy didn't get the number or how I just got a number and it was a waste of time because we didn't get laid etc etc we would be rolling into that next venue feeling like shit and it would come through when we approach the next girls. You can't control the outcome, so it doesn't make sense to beat yourself up if they don't react well, who knows what's going on in that chick's head that night…but you CAN control whether or not you approach and whether or not you run proper structured game and try new things out and work on your sticking points etc.

That all said, results and success are also important because I know what I just said is like when a guy with millions of dollars says "bro just treat yourself to a vacation in Hawaii if you need to relax" to a guy who's living month to month financially lol

Like "ya sure thing asshole, I'd LOVE to be positive about opening except my dick hasn't been touched in 3 years and my last 10 nights out have been literally nothing but blowouts so i think it's understandable that I'm a little fuckin frustrated."

And that's true…results ARE important. But that's what posting Field Reports to figure out what's going wrong in your game is for. πŸ˜‰

Safe space here, no one will judge you for "got blown out all night" reports lol We all want you to succeed and we all know the learning process can be ugly 'cause we all went through it. I can guarantee that whatever your shittiest night is, I had at least a dozen of the same or worse nights myself when I was starting out lol This is why I stress that your group talk with other guys trying to do this stuff is important…no one in our day to day lives really gives a shit about our success, they're caught up in their own lives or can't relate to us and our goals. Support from like-minded guys on similar paths is important. Even on my shittiest night I know I can vent to my wingman and he'll sympathize with me and lol about it and maybe spot some mistakes I didn't notice and give me props for the good things that I did (like taking action).

And keep your FR's anonymous, like I say we don't need to know what city you're in, what the name of venues are or even what type of venue it is, we don't need girls names or detailed descriptions of what they look like, or detailed descriptions of you, or your job you were just coming from before the bar, or any of that (I actually skip past that stuff when I look at guys FRs). All that's important is the actual interactions and a step by step breakdown of what you're doing when you walk into the venue and approaching and between sets etc. like the actual meat of the night.

Also that reminds me I owe a dude an FR breakdown, so if he's reading this sorry I am gay but I will eventually get to it before I die lol


The Vetting Process

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YaReally
on October 12th, 2015 at 12:35 am
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“Simple fact is I’ve got a couple bad wingmen that I’m ditching and I can’t seem to find a good one.”

Hardest thing in the goddamn world. People think I’m exaggerating when I say a good wingman is worth a thousand women, until they go out and try to find a good one. Most guys are SHIT…even if they have decent game they have a bunch of other baggage/issues or are selfish/vultures/negative etc etc. It is DAMN hard to find a good wing. I’ve had like, 2 in however long I’ve been doing this.

I’ve had guys who will GO OUT and I’ve had to just accept that that’s the best I can ask for, ’cause actual legit solid winging is so rare that I might as well just grab a random dude and introduce him to a girl and cross my fingers that he can distract her long enough for me to go for the friend.

A lot of nights out I’m out with a buddy or three, but I’m actually “solo” because they aren’t going to step up or don’t have game so they chill while I go do a lap and approach shit lol But I at least have the crutch of having a “home base” for comfort when the AA kicks in. Same time that builds bad habits like feeling AA without a home base and needing people to go out with me instead of being able to go out solo etc. lol

I find when I’m with guys like that, the crowded stand-up venues are best, even nightclubs (if you live in a major city there’s probably an older crowd nightclub if you’re an old dude, can’t remember if you’re one of the 50+ guys here lol), because at least we’re standing and mobile and I can walk up to the bar for a drink/water where I can open girls or they can stand by me etc, instead of sitting at a table with a pitcher of beer and a tab with the waitress who brings everything to us so we don’t have to through the torture of walking through a crowd of hot girls we can open and bang (lol).

I go to crowded stand-up venues when I’m solo too, because I feel more anonymous and can get lost in the crowd if I get blown out etc lol

Solo cold approach is like, THE toughest challenge in the fucking world. If you can push through it and get used to it it’s amazing, but like, guys who’ve been to war and guys who are CEOs and shit will run off bootcamp when they have to cold approach a hot girl lol

Also there are ways to make solo feel less solo, like building social proof and talking to random dudes to make single-serving friends for the night that make you feel less solo and merging sets forward (classic MM), and steps to take (like opening ANYTHING as soon as you enter the venue to establish that rhythm VS entering and going to the bathroom, getting a drink, “scoping out the place” etc before opening anything), that can make it easier.

“Going solo on night game when you’re starting out is pretty much begging for frustration I’ve found, especially in a sausagefest like DFW.”

There any way to relocate somewhere near a university/college? Could be worth the effort. Part of why I prefer nightgame over daygame is I don’t have to walk around for 20 min to find a hot girl lol

“Just gonna make a shot at swapping to day game for now since I can run solo.”

Not a bad idea at all. Give it a go and see if you like it. Some quick advice on it:

A lot of the difficulty in daygame is that we don’t give ourselves permission to be unstifled and expressive during the day because we worry people will overhear us or see us or it’s not “appropriate” to cross “socially acceptable” boundaries in the daytime VS a “night venue full of sluts who are DTF” (meanwhile tons of girls are DTF during the day, it’s not like their horniness just turns on once the sun goes down on Fri/Sat nights, same way dudes don’t just fap on Fri/Sat past 9pm lol).

And building social momentum in the day is harder if you don’t have a place with a lot of people gathered where you can bounce from person to person and build momentum as you get your brain unstifled and teach it that you won’t get killed by another caveman with a rock for talking to girls you don’t know (or even PEOPLE you don’t know in GENERAL). If you have access to a place with a ton of girls walking around, you can build momentum easier. This is why most daygame infield footage isn’t on some quiet suburban street or half-dead mall, it’s in the middle of huge tourist/population locations like Leicaster Square or at festivals etc.

A good middle ground is street game at night…head out during bar hours but don’t actually go into bars, just open girls on the street or girls smoking outside the bars, or girls on a patio over the railing, go line up for a bar behind hot girls and open them and just leave to another lineup if it doesn’t go well or come back to that lineup in 10 min to try with new girls lol You can say you’re meeting up with buddies later and came out too early, or that you were out with a buddy and he had to go home early but you decided to stay out, etc. Approach girls walking to/between bars and open and stack some good routines so they’re giggling and then tell them your friend bailed on you early and ask where’s good that night and sometimes they’ll even invite you to come with them to wherever they’re headed, and if they don’t, practice some routines and group theory until they run off and congratulate yourself for opening them at all and then roll into the next girls or joke around with some dudes about how girls just shot you down etc etc

Also watch tons of daygame infield footage on YouTube the day you’re going out to sarge (watch Keys to the VIP episodes all day or while pre-gaming if you’re doing nightgame). Feed your brain with videos that teach your brain that “it’s NORMAL to talk to girls, it’s FINE, it’s NOT A BIG DEAL, these guys are all doing it so YOU can do it”. A lot of guys don’t feed themselves good information, they work all day in a cubicle in silence then hang out with guys or people who don’t cold approach strangers and then they go out and are like “gee why do I have so much AA??” And it’s like because cold approach is something SCARY and UNUSUAL to your brain! Think of small towns, and how friendly everyone is there where they all shoot the shit with eachother…it’s because they’re all doing it so they’ve all normalized being friendly with strangers because they talk to the store clerk for 10 minutes and say hello as they pass eachother on the street etc. VS a big city where everyone is in their own bubble and won’t even make eye-contact with eachother…which city fosters the mindset of “it’s normal to cold approach strangers”, you know? But small towns are shit for finding girls so like, stick to a big city lol My point is about normalization of behavior.

Hell check out Krauser’s Daygame book and Roosh’s Bang. I’ve talked smack about both of their styles of game (and I stand by my assertion that the style of game Krauser runs requires him to worry about his looks and that it should be acknowledged that this can cause problems for guys long-term instead of being a taboo subject like I’m an asshole for bringing it up, but as long as you’re aware that it can create a reliance on a crutch that’s fine ’cause you can remove that crutch later…my main issue is with not acknowledging the crutch as a crutch lol) but like, look anywhere for information that’ll help you. Never know when one sentence out of 10,000 pages of text resonates with you and connects some puzzle piece for you whether you use the other 9,999 pages of information. When I get older I’ll probably do more daygame and I’m sure I’ll be combing every page of Krauser and Roosh’s work for any little sentence that will help me gain that 0.0001% edge out there (without being a crutch).

Check out BradP’s social freedom exercises, no idea if they’ll help or make your own variations of them that fit your personality, the concept of babystepping your way to being unstifled and comfortable expressing yourself in public is solid whether you do his exact exercises or not. RSDTodd has some good daygame stuff like:

He’s pretty low-energy/boring dude so his game is technically sound, he follow proper concepts of building attraction/comfort/etc. He has a product out now but I don’t know anything about it and with all his free content about the subject up I can’t imagine a reason to buy his product lol This long vid is probably all the same shit that’s in his product. Have routines and default openers to fall on when you have AA, you can worry about winging it later, at first you’ll have to fight your brain for control.

“TL;DR: Friday I decided to give your suggestion of pushing the asshole game hard a shot, wound up getting a half full beer bottle hurled at me.”

Not picking on you but this is an example of what I mean when I say post Field Reports. Like this is a funny anecdote, but like, it’s kind of useless and just makes other guys (and yourself) not want to try pushing their comfort zones in the future. But if you actually wrote out how that interaction went guys like me can go “oh man, this is the point where you miscalibrated it, what you could’ve done instead is this and that would’ve caused this effect” so that you can learn and might learn to successfully add a little asshole game to your style or maybe determine that it’s not for you but from a place of UNDERSTANDING and knowledge…but instead it’s like “well no more of that asshole game stuff! I’m off to do daygame or go MGTOW instead, I don’t want more bottles thrown at me!”

Even when you do daygame, post FRs. They’re important for figuring out where your game is off and what needs tweaking.

It’s entirely possible to pull lays from daygame but like I said before about celebrating small victories, don’t make that your goal. Make your goal just opening at first and celebrate that shit. Go for solid numbers (read up on how to make numbers solid, qualifying her and shit) and day2s.

Really the easiest way to get laid is social circle game, but that can require a lot of time/energy investment because you have to build that up and maintain those relationships etc, and the second easiest way to get laid that you can do solo without building social circles is cold approach daygame number closes leading to day2s at a bar near your apartment that you just escalate on.

Part of why I focus so much on nightgame and nightclubs right now is because I know there’ll be a point in a few years where I don’t want to go to those venues anymore or feel too out of place at those venues or don’t want to be around drunk people etc, so I’m embracing it while I still love it lol


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YaReally
on October 12th, 2015 at 3:55 am
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Perfect, that’s what I was looking for.

“then decided to get greedy and go after the chick I was working.”

This is most guys, unfortunately. It comes from scarcity usually (though with Naturals who get laid a lot it can just be force of habit). Another dynamic that can be going on if your buddy is good-looking or super cocky is they see the girl reacting well to you so they think “well if HE can get her attracted then I must be able to ’cause I’m better than him”. This is why a lot of AMOGs come try to take my girls lol ’cause they think the girls must be easy/friendly if they’re so friendly to me, and then they’re like wtf when the girl isn’t into them and I cut them out of the interaction and they have to walk off blown out and confused…it sucks when it’s your own wingman doing that.

That shouldn’t BE how it is, like guys SHOULD be working together. Hell I’ll wing random dudes I see in-field, esp if I’m out solo I’ll just chat a guy up who looks solo (usually some dude from out of town or who just moved here) and throw girls at him. I don’t actually expect him to be able to wing me or to pull that girl, but like, I’ll try to help him out if I can…it’s better than standing there getting inside my head with AA.

A big part of why PUA progressed so fast is that we were all working together for a common goal, not competing. The power of men combining their efforts toward a single goal is fucking incredible.

I find a lot of the TRP/Manosphere version of pickup heavily emphasizes the whole brotherhood support thing, but fails on the taking action part lol So you get a bunch of dudes in suits going out to talk about how enlightened they are over drinks and a couple of them try an approach here and there but it’s all uncoordinated and retarded and half of them are trying to be James Bond too hard to actually go approach and risk tainting their “good with girls” image in front of the other guys because everyone is putting on fronts trying to impress eachother and be the top 1% of men…meanwhile half of them don’t even get into set or can’t hold a set and get blown out and like 1 guy out of “20 of the top 1% of men” actually gets laid that night. A lot of cool guys having a big ol’ circlejerk and then ranting to eachother about how shitty women are these days and talking about some 5 they banged for a laugh (but will be texting when they’re drunk at last call that night when they don’t pick up because they were too busy sucking eachother’s dicks over how high-value they are and relying on passive game (wearing a suit etc) to hopefully attract women and taking what they can get from the girls who give them iois instead of going for the hottest girls they want).

PUA was kind of the opposite, it was a bunch of ragtag misfit losers who KNEW they were all ragtag misfit losers, so there was no fronting that they were the top 1% of men, they just had these tactics and techniques that made girls not notice their misfit loserness, and they went out with 100% intention to execute their tactics and techniques and run proper wingman theory for eachother etc. Eventually that evolved to where we focus on internal game and everything to try to fix that ragtag misfit loserness, but like, in the early era of PUA the knowledge progressed lightning fast because guys worked together.

My current wing and I have signals for “I’m not interested in my girl, you can go for her if you want” and “I hate my girl I want to bail on this set” and “I like my girl please stay in set and babysit so I can close this, I’ll buy you a beer if your girl is a monster” lol (we use names, so if I ask “did Joe txt you?” that means I don’t like my girl, if he says “No but Jessica did” that means please stay in set etc). So if we both give the “I’m not interested in my girl” signal we full out switch. And sometimes I’ll give the “I hate my girl” but he’ll give the “I like mine please stay in set” signal and I’ll just go into totally non-offensive friendly social mode and kill time with the rest of the set and try to get him isolation with his girl and build him up to her friends so they approve of him and their friend being together etc. We also have a signal for “I’ve found out information about your girl that makes your set a waste of time” because sometimes the friend will tell me her friend is married when the married one didn’t tell my buddy, and we have a varying degree one for “your girl has a boyfriend” that can vary from “just so you know, she has a boyfriend, but do with that information what you want, if you think it’s not an obstacle go for it” to “HOLY SHIT OUR GIRLS BOYFRIENDS ARE IN THE BAR ABORT ABORT!!!” lol

With strategies like that, we are out there playing chess while other guys are playing checkers.

It’s funny because in an ideal world you could just TELL your buddy “look, this is the way we should be doing this” and come up with some signals and go out and tear shit up together. But in reality most guys are creatures of habit and will just revert to trying to vulture your girls. And you’ll present something like this to them and they’ll look at you like you’re a fucking sociopath robot wanting to go out there with code words and shit lol But PUAs were like “eh fuck it we’re all weirdos, so let’s focus on that weirdo shit tactically”.

Now for your FR. Keep in mind that I know you probably won’t run into this exact situation again. But it’s important to play through “what COULD I have done in that situation?” for learning purposes and because you (or guys reading this) WILL run into some of the same components of the situation again (ie – you will probably have to game a seated group of women again, you will probably have a girl who hates you again, etc). So here we go:

First let’s get the fuckup out of the way:

“Even when the chick who had been flaunting that she was the bar owner’s wife kept getting more drunk and more emotional at everyone, I just kept laughing at her.”

Obviously this is where you went wrong. You know that. I don’t have to tell you that. In the moment it probably wasn’t obvious (my guess is your brain, aside from just genuinely thinking the girl’s actions were funny/retarded, was also slightly thinking “the girl I want responds to me being an asshole and doesn’t even like this bitch, so I’m going to keep being congruent to being an asshole and laugh at her…if I try to keep the peace and smooth things over I’ll have to act “nice” and then my target will lose attraction for me”), but looking back like, duh, if you don’t have group approval (even the crazy bitches in the group) you’re in for a rough time…sure your target is attracted but what good does that do you when you’re at home on pornhub looking up girls who look like her later that night lol

Sure the TRP guys will go “whatever man it’s about principles that entitled bitch bla bla take a stand against bad female behavior that’s why western civilization bla bla” and ya that’s all super sign me up for your “women plz behave better” change dot org petition guys…end of the night you’re still on pornhub and thinking “fuck the game this isn’t fun” and considering going MGTOW.

Call a bitchy friend of your target out on her shitty behavior when you have a few plates spinning so your dick is getting sucked lol If you don’t have sex lined up, play it safe and get that handled before you decide to play with fire.

Gotta find a way to befriend that chick even though she’s being retarded, and if that means putting on a “nice guy” act or talking more to calm the situation down (you don’t have to supplicate but you can go into a chill “woah, relax girl, we’re all having fun here tonight. Maybe we got off on the wrong foot, I can be a bit of an asshole when I drink, that’s probably my bad. Shit, I just realized I’m LITERALLY the reason groups of girls come out to the bar to drink and complain about how much men suck lol You’ll all be here next week like “remember that asshole from last week, what a dick. Sorry I overcompensate because of my tiny dick, it’s like a wet baby carrot” etc etc lol”) and interact with her and/or the other girls for a bit to handle things, then do that. You’ll gain points as the social leader who keeps the group peace (’cause her friends probably don’t want their night ruined with drama) and you can always whisper to your target “I’m just being nice…I fucking hate your friend and I know you do too lol”

Or you can go the complete opposite route like Patrice:

…but I don’t recommend it. I hate to even link that incase it gives guys ideas, but it’s fucking hilarious and shows a lot of VERY interesting dynamics (note how he’s nailing what the other girls are thinking (and they’re attracted) and he acknowledges being an asshole and then starts a charming apology (which just wins them over even more, the reformed badboy in action) and how Patrice is perfect at charming the whole group etc etc).

But don’t fucking try this…I’m linking it for the knowledge of what can be done, not as an example of what you should’ve done. Patrice has an INSANELY strong frame so he can do this and calibrate it like a motherfucker. The average guy learning game and just experimenting with being an asshole can’t do this, this’ll get you banned from the bar and shit if you try it without having Patrice’s overall frame.

ALSO notice how one of the other guys takes the girls’ side against Patrice while the girls are there, and when the girls finally leave (around 19 min in) he’s like “dude that was AWESOME”…he KNOWS that he has to play peacekeeper to keep shit on track. That’s what I’m talking about, there are times where for the good of the ultimate goal you have to calibrate to the situation and smooth things over (ideally your wingman helps with this, my buddy will often say “sorry my buddy is an asshole when he drinks” and hit me in the arm and say “apologize you dumbass” and I’ll be like “fuck ok my bad, I’m just mad ’cause my team lost the game (or whatever) today :(” and we just keep going and I go back to being an asshole but I’ve shown some calibration so now they don’t mind it.

Anyway, so fuck it that’s not even the important part of this FR. That’s just the fuck-up and like, I’m sure you already know that could’ve been handled better.

So let’s get into the important meat we can learn from:

“complaining that I was like the asshole boyfriends she’d always had as we talked”

Solid. Everything with this girl sounds like it was perfect, you nailed her blueprint perfectly. If you could isolate her from her group you’d probably have no problem banging her. Ideally your goal is to GET her isolated, and your wingman’s job is to HELP you get her isolated. The longer it takes to get into isolation where the game is on track to your goals, the longer you’re stuck dealing with obstacles and potential issues that can fuck everything up. And even if you DON’T run into any real issues, her being in front of her whole table is still a nightmare of ASD in terms of grabbing a number let alone any kind of escalation to Same Night Lay her. So your goal before even going over to sit down should be to get her away from that table so you can isolate her and run your asshole game that SHE loves unobstructed.

So let’s explore isolation ideas for a second. It sounds like you’re all sitting at a table…I’m going to assume as the hottest one she probably sat in a difficult spot (like between her friends) VS leaving you a nice wide open seat beside her to sit down in. Two logical options: either you and the girl leave the table and go or meet somewhere, or you and the girl stay at the table and all the other people go somewhere. Also texting is actually isolation too these days, so if you can get her number you have a direct line of private communication with her and you two can be sending texts right in front of her group and they’ll have no idea if you’re subtle about it…so if you’re stuck in that set for a while, getting her number is a GREAT asset.

How can you make the other people leave? It’s tough, so tough that I wouldn’t bother trying. It can happen randomly of their own accord and those are important windows to notice, like I was making eyes with a girl last week and she was sitting with her friends all around her, but at some point her friends went for a smoke/bathroom/etc. and she stayed to watch the drinks (but in reality she was probably staying and hoping our eye-contact meant I would come approach her now that there’s an empty seat beside her). I could sit at any of the seats but I pick the one right beside her because I know that’ll be optimal, and I know the friends will come back so I’m already mentally prepared to apologize for stealing their seat and compliment my target to them so they think I’m all charming and shit and let me keep sitting there and, because they like me, may even help me isolate her again in the future (ie – go for another smoke break and leave us alone). Your wing could attempt something…in a standing venue when I was rolling in more high-end social circles where the guys have money, a common move was my wing to lure the girls away to the bar for a free shot and then I just pull mine’s wrist as she starts to follow (thinking we’re all going there) and say “No hold up, come here…” and pull her in and just keep gaming and pushing shit forward (ie – I have isolation so now I can number close without triggering ASD since her friends aren’t watching and/or physically escalate like pull her in and put her arms on me and kiss her etc then resume being “normal” when her friends come back so they don’t think she’s a slut but she knows we’re going to fuck at some point). The right song coming on can help like they run off to dance but if they’re young they’ll all drag the girl away with ADD hyper girl energy lol So relying on this isn’t a great option.

So that means we need ways to create isolation where her and you are away from the table. Note that isolation doesn’t have to be fully in a different room from the others, you just have to be (or need her to think you are) far enough away or having a quiet enough private conversation that her friends can’t hear what she’s saying, and/or IDEALLY have you two be out of line of sight of her friends but it’s often enough to just make sure her friends are out of HER line of sight…if she can’t see them in her “cone of vision”, they no longer exist to her ASD (chick-brain shit) even if they’re ACTUALLY standing right behind her watching her lol The problem with the latter version is the friends may throw a fuss if you escalate on her even tho SHE feels like she’s in isolation so you can’t do as much with it (usually it’s good for number-closing and maaaaaaybe a quick romantic kiss on the lips if you can get her to lean into you for it so you don’t look like a groper, or if you’ve won the friends over so they’re cool with it and are happy for her getting kissed). Whereas if you can get full isolation where she can’t see them and they can’t see her, you can pretty much fuck her lol Pretty much all of my escalation happens in isolation even if it’s momentary: ie – we’re walking as a group and I just hold her hand and drag behind so we lag behind them and then pull her hand to turn her around to face me and say “hold up, I’ve been wanting to do this all night…” and kiss her quick then end the kiss first and keep walking before the friends turn around and see. Same with if my buddy and I are pulling a 2-set, on the walk home I’ll lag behind on staircases or pull her around a corner or into a doorway alcove for a quick kiss then act like nothing happened…often if the friend catches us she doesn’t even care, a lot of it is just the adventure of it but the point is isolation helps prevent ASD from fucking with you.

So with this chick in your FR, the longer you sit at this table the more chance you have of getting fucked over (as you found out lol). Options for getting her away from the table with you (and remember she’s ATTRACTED to you so she WANTS to get away from the table with you, so she’s going to HELP you…if you try this BEFORE you have “A2” (Female to Male interest), it won’t work, but you had solid A2 so she’s on your side):

– lock eyes with her and say “I need a smoke” to the group while still looking at her. If she smokes she’ll leap at the chance and go “oh me too!!” and you don’t bother asking the rest of the group, you could even tease her like as you’re looking her in the eyes say “oh god, I thought I could get away from your yapping but I guess you’re my stalker tonight” across the table to sort of disarm the friends and make her giggle and make them go “ok whatever let them go have a smoke”. If someone else comes to join you then you’re still stuck with a potential obstacle but at least it’s just one or two instead of the entire table. Also if she DOESN’T say “oh me too!!” you just let the comment drop and keep gaming because you said “I need a smoke” not “I’m going to go have a smoke”, so you’re just like someone saying “I’m hungry”, it doesn’t mean you’re going to eat right that second, you’re just thinking out loud…then ideally you keep DHV’ing (A1) to the table and looping from A1 – A3 with her (“bait hook reel release”, qualify, tease/neg, etc) until she’s giving more A2 and then you drop the smoke line again when she’s more attracted and will get with the program. Bonus points if you don’t actually smoke lol

– offer a round of drinks/shots and tell your target to make herself useful and come help you carry them, so you can get her over to the bar away from the group so she’s isolated (make sure you stand so that her back is facing her friends so they no longer exist to her). In your asshole situ tell her something like “your friends hate me and are going to drag you away. What’s your number?” and pull your phone out using her body to block the sight of it from her friends. Nice subtle number close that you can go back to the table and text her stuff like “your friend is a bitch” and “if they weren’t here I would bend you over this table bla bla” with her friends having no idea you two are escalating. If you have the money go ahead and buy them shots, could be worth the money if you actually bang the girl…but I would just bring back glasses of water and say “I didn’t say alcohol lol these’ll keep us all drinking all night and you girls won’t barf on this table”, or if you want to be full asshole have the bartender pour a round of shots of just water (tip him for the hassle of course) and say it’s vodka and lol when they all realize their shot was water.

– generally reluctantly (so her friends don’t think you’re trying to make moves on her, even act like you hate her) telling your target to come help you with something or come with you for something. Like you could go to the bar and then shout back to her “HEY, Target, come help me with these drinks, I can’t carry all this shit myself.” Again if you have A2 she should be wanting to help you out and get up to come over and you have a solid minute or two to #-close so you can txt back at the table.

– try making eye-contact and announcing you have to hit the bathroom and see if she gets the signal to also go to the bathroom, walk slowly so she can catch up if she does come too and lag when you come out of the bathroom incase she was trying to catch you on your way out instead so it wasn’t as obvious.

– alternatively, if SHE gets up to go to the bathroom, give it a minute or two so she can tinkle and then say “I’m going to grab a drink” and just head toward the bathroom like on your way to get a drink you decided to go to the bathroom, and if it’s out of their line of sight just stand there like a creeper waiting for her to come out and grab her and escalate immediately (if it’s full isolation and the sexual tension has been there at the table so she’ll be into a kiss) and grab her number to text at the table lol Sometimes she’s just actually going to the bathroom and it’s a pleasant surprise to see you and sometimes she’s going purposely hoping that you’ll follow her. Send her back to the table and go chill in the bathroom for a minute then stop by the bar to get a drink on your way back so you don’t both come back to the table together.

– challenge her to a bar game like pool or darts etc, anything where you two can be standing and interacting away from the group.

– alternatively, get the whole GROUP involved, like say “I’m bored, who wants to shoot a game of pool?”…if you have A2, she’ll volunteer, and if you have 2 of her friends say they want to play too then play doubles and be on the opposite team from your target so you can tease her and mess with her shots and be an asshole building sexual tension with her thru eye-contact and hip-checking her and shit. Even if you have 2 of her friends playing with you that’s still only 2 obstacles instead of the whole table so it’s a step up lol ESPECIALLY if you can get her away from the chick who hates you.

– really if you can get the entire table up and out of their chairs for ANY REASON that’s a better situ than all being sat at that table, because your girl can “innocently” maneuver her way to stand near you and/or you can “innocently” maneuver your way to standing near her and everyone’s mobile so you can isolate easier (ie – it’s someone else’s turn to play pool so you two just sit and chat in isolation by the pool table waiting for your turn, or everyone goes up to order drinks and you and her can stand at the back of the group and you can subtly get a number to text, etc).

So there’s a lot of options if you understand the key principles of what your goal is (getting isolation), why it’s important (to reduce ASD so you can ideally grab her number to text under their noses), and have thought out some default ideas for how to accomplish this (which is what this breakdown is, and why Field Reports and playing the night over and asking “what were my goals (did I even HAVE any or was I just enjoying the validation high and being drunk?) and what could I have done different to achieve my goals?” are important…because this is where we come up with this shit. Most of that stuff I just wrote out? I made that up as I was typing it lol It’s pieced together from field experience and logic and I’ve done similar things to things or been in or seen similar situations or have buddies who’ve done it etc etc but like, now you and I and anyone reading has like 7 active ways to get isolation with a target at a seated table and a bunch of passive open windows to watch for and take advantage of. You and I and anyone reading this are now 0.0001% better equipped for succeeding infield. πŸ™‚

“Just feels like I’m doing all this shit on hard mode and making very little progress since the bad selection in this town makes for very few attractive women I want to hit on.”

I’m not kidding when I ask is it in any way possible for you career-wise to relocate to a better place? Whether it’s another city or a better location IN your city (ie – if you’re out in a burb type area macking locals VS if you could get an apartment beside a college campus where there’s bars and daygame with lots of hot young chicks). My current location is the first time I’ve ever had good logistics (I’ve always lived far from the bar area or in cities with not a lot of action going on etc) and it’s unreal what a difference it makes. I have a Day2 on Friday and it’s going to be EFFORTLESS to bang her, I live a block away from the bar I’m taking her to, we just walk a block and hey a place we can have sex…and if she flakes I’ll be IN a bar with a dozen other girls I can open with “my date flaked on me😦 am I ugly and unlovable?” etc. I can find girls on a slow Tuesday night because I moved to a prime nightlife location. Like, I can’t stress how worth it it is to live somewhere around the younger nightlife if you want to be single and pickup girls. It’s worth making your morning drive to work twice as long or paying an extra $100 a month for your rent or paying movers to move your furniture etc. ESPECIALLY when you’re older…when I was 25 whatever fuck it I’ll wait at the bus stop for 10 minutes in the snow to ride it for half an hour into the city and slog my way to the one nightclub that’s got a few hundred people in it on a Tuesday night…but in my mid-30s it’s like I need finding hot girls to be as convenient and easy as possible because that shit I was doing at 25 was a lot of work lol

“Said one thing, did another. I don’t think setting rules would matter with somebody like that.”

Ditch him. Mystery said it way back in the early days…wingmen should be working together not competing. If he wants to try to compete over your girls, that’s alright, he won’t be your wing for much longer. It’s his loss ultimately. If he can’t play by the rules, he doesn’t get invited out anymore. If he’s willing to work on that shit (SOMETIMES you can talk to them about it and pitch it like “look we’ll BOTH get laid more if we do it this way”), cool, but if he doesn’t improve get rid of him. Going out solo and saying “I was out with a buddy but he had to work early so he went home and I’m in a good mood so I figured I’d come see what’s happening…what brings you girls out tonight?”

You’d be surprised how many women actually give you props for being out solo (long as you take action). A lot of them are like “?? You’re ALONE?? Wow I could NEVER do that!” impressed. Because if they LIKE you (aka you ran a solid open and some attraction stuff so they think you’re cool), they’ll rationalize away you being solo as “oh he’s just independent and confident and brave and social”. I did a TON of solo game for years and for a while I even just flat out told girls as I opened “Hi I’m here all alone” and then did my opener lol to just see what would happen. If you can attract them, they’re rationalize away your “flaws”.

When you’re out with a wingman anyway, you shouldn’t both be going up together like predatory vultures sweeping in, you should have one of you casually open (for instance have your buddy go to the bathroom and then you can say “my buddy had to go to the bathroom so I’m all by myself and figured I’d come say hi till he gets back so I don’t look like a bar creeper”, hell it even has a false time constraint built into it, and then your buddy comes in after and obviously you just stay in set if they’re friendly). Or with a 2-set one of you goes in and runs some Attraction stuff so they think you’re cool then in loud tonality shout “FORGE!” and motion for him to come over, now when Forge comes in he has value because YOU have value so now the girls are meeting two cool guys…VS if you go in at the same time where the girls don’t know if you’re both losers or not yet.

So like, ULTIMATELY even with a wingman you’re “opening solo”. So like, what’s the diff if he’s there or not? In a group of 5 girls you play off the group for a bit but then you can focus more on your girl (ideally sitting beside her in a private isolated conversation bubble) and the 4 girls have eachother to talk to. When you’re solo a 3-set is the easiest set because after you win them over (Mystery Method group theory) you can focus to one of them and the other two can entertain eachother and not interfere…a 2-set is the hardest solo because if you focus on your target the other one gets bored and she has nothing to do but just stare at you two and listen and raise her friend’s ASD by just being there…with a 2-set I grab a cool looking dude nearby and introduce him to the friend, most guys are more than happy to be introduced to a decent looking chick so he’s happy and the chick has someone to talk to even if he’s not great she’s at least not standing by herself while her friend (who clearly likes you so she doesn’t want to interrupt) talks to you, so she’s happy too. Eventually she’ll pull her friend away but you grab the # early so you’re covered. …or try for the 3some lol

And of course if you’re with a wingman never stand 2 guys facing 2 girls like 4 corners of a square all facing the middle. He shouldn’t be ABLE to hit on your girl because you should be taking a circle-strafe step to the side as you’re talking to your girl so that she has to face her back to him and it’s harder for him to jump in and compete with you…ideally lead her a few steps away too (“what?? (hold your hands out palms up for her to take them and lead her a few steps over (so her friend can still see her but now she’s a few steps away from her friend and your wing and her back is to them)), come here I can’t hear you it’s too loud there, this is better ok so you were saying…” (if you have a little A2 she’ll come with you and it works as a compliance test to make sure you have A2 lol)). You probably can’t teach him to do this (if you CAN that’s perfect, if you both circle-strafe to the side you’ll have the girls back to back so you BOTH have isolation and easier escalation/closing and building a deeper connection etc…again this a key thing my wing and I do, it’s these little things that make a difference), but keep it in mind for yourself to do because you can do it even if he doesn’t, and it might help prevent him vulturing your girls more. Can’t do it with a seated set really, but if you have A2 you can grab under the girl’s chair and rotate it to face you more or pull it closer to you to put your arm around her etc.

Hope this gives you some food for thought. Very few situations are ACTUALLY “impossible”…they just SEEM like it until you understand social dynamics deeply and can figure out how to solve the puzzle. …which is the purpose of Field Reports and post-game analysis like this. πŸ˜‰

Look how much useful information came out of just a short little annoyed rant about a shitty night, compared to the “I tried asshole game and it got a bottle thrown at me” summary. After a night out if I don’t send my buddy a Field Report (or a shitload of texts as we both discuss stuff we learned that night and review the night), if I don’t pull I’ll lay in bed and go through the entire night moment by moment and think “what could I have done differently in that moment?” So I’ll go through “I walked in feeling self-conscious, how could I have walked in feeling money? Oh, you know what, I could’ve opened that person at the store I bought my redbull at…and I could’ve joked with those people that were entering the bar at the same time as me, that one guy had a shirt with whatever on it and I could’ve said shit that’s awesome dude and started getting social…and you know what I ordered a drink and didn’t even try to joke around with the bartender, but they were kind of rude anyway so nothing I could’ve really done there, but what could I have done different after I got my drink?” and go through my interactions and think about “ok why didn’t this pan out to a lay, how could I have avoided or gotten around that obstacle? How would it have gone if I had done that?” and visualized a more successful version of it even if it’s just getting ONE step further in the interaction toward the lay than you actually got, etc etc”

But seriously, consider relocation if you can lol And/or try Daygame. If you aren’t about to settle down then you probably have 1-5 years minimum in the game to find and vet a solid chick…gotta find ways to make it fun or that’ll just be years of torture. And competence can make the game fun lol It’s a LOT easier to go out when you have all this knoweledge in your head and know you’re equipped to handle the night and you walk in and can SEE how to get the girl you want and can just execute that. It might work, it might not, but there’s no failure, there’s only learning.


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@Itsasecret
“I knew from a very early age that I was a sexual person, and there is no way I’d ever go through a sexless period in my life. Is that evil and bad? My husband doesn’t seem to think so.”

Technically speaking: a hot girl turns down hundreds of offers of sex a day. Every guy who interacts with her from the bus driver to her boss at work is hoping to fuck her. In a year if a chick bangs 1 guy every weekend, sure she’s had sex 52 times but she’s also turned down 36,500 offers for sex. Guys wouldn’t be anywhere NEAR as self-restrained if we had 36,500 offers for sex a year, even if half of those were offers from fatties let alone the endless stream of chisled-jaw rich dudes on a hot girl’s Tinder messaging her lol

Me:


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P.S. HOW DO I MATH?? 36,448.


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@SD
“If I bring a self-described PUA besides myself, it turns out the guy was Full of S–t and was either a total keyboard jockey, or counting notches with 4s and 3s”

A lot of guys are shit at throwing a punch, even a lot of boxers are amateur and shitty even if they market themselves as amazing. But the mechanics of how to swing your fist at a target for maximum impact and the principles behind boxing strategy work.

“What I see is a YouTube video where a “Game Expert” spends most of his time yacking and very little of it actually sarging on tape. If the subwoofer on your car failed and you went on YouTube to see how to fix it, would you trust the video of the guy who spends 20 minutes talking about electrical principles and 3 minutes outside with a wire cutter?”

Yes, they’re selling a product so it helps to talk about the product. But if you just want a ton of infield footage here you go:

Your argument was “Naysayers should note that we won’t hear the times a gaming guy /PUA got assertive with a female and she shut him down with ” no commitment ,no sex.” This is inaccurate. Whether the guy you went out infield with approached a girl or sat in a corner all night doesn’t change that what you said was wrong. PUAs do cover the subject of girls who try the “no commitment, no sex” deal and ways to get around that and do talk about times where they can’t get around it. So what you said was bullshit.

“No science,”

Except the science that’s verrrrry slowly catching up, which CH and Rollo post when it comes out. It’s weirdly hard to get girls to sign up for a “cheat on your husband with a guy in a bar bathroom” scientific experiment. On top of that there’s a billion dollar (probably more) industry based around marketing and advertising. What exactly do you think the difference is between the psychology that makes billions of people think of Coke or Pepsi when I say “soda”, and the psychology involved in marketing yourself as a high-quality product when socializing?

“no peer review,”

What part of the hours and hours of infield footage being put out do you think needs peer review?

“no confirmation that these guys actually nail women they brag about getting by actual game.”

Here’s a few of Julien pulling in the first montage here:

That’s just some RSD stuff. There are other instructors from other companies, and even guys not selling bootcamps, just fucking around with infield footage.

What confirmation would you like if infield video of them making out with girls, getting into cabs and cars with girls to head home together, videos of them entering apartments/hotel rooms with the girls as they make out, etc would you like? Video of them actually sticking their dick inside the girl? How many thrusts would you like them to record for you before it counts? Actually Julien posted a vid of him doing a girl doggy style once lol I’m too lazy to look for it though.

“From my perch, some of these guys are hiring models to build an image which gets them bootcamp bookings and attention, at which point the money is plowed back into the scheme .Reminds me of “wealth builder” MLM hustles.”

Yes, of course it would seem that way to you. Because it’s much easier to believe that they’re hiring hundreds of models who are just really good at faking attraction, and that all the years Tyler and crew were posting on the forums before they even ran companies they were just thinking “I have to write more convincing lies so that one day I can make a million dollar business out of this!!” so that you can continue to believe that “some guys just aren’t meant to get hot girls”, than it is to accept that you haven’t put in the effort to get better at a skillset that other guys have gotten better at by putting in effort.

So you’ll tell yourself anything to keep that perception. That’s why I can link those infield clips and you’ll just find a million ways to try to blow them off. Because you don’t WANT to believe it. Same way fat people want to believe that they have a magic metabolism that makes it impossible for them to get skinny like those lucky people who just have better metabolisms, as they stuff their face with potato chips and pizza and they’re convinced everyone promoting diet and exercise is a scam artist. Because accepting that they’re just lazy and have bad information or have misapplied or misunderstood information, is too big a hit to the ego.

“Thats not to say all PUAs are frauds. Game helps. But its not a panacea , nor is it an exemption from reality.”

Good game gets guys better results than they or society generally expects them to be able to get. PUA marketing is about how you’ll bang every girl you look at, but in actual bootcamps and seminars one of the first things most good PUA instructors will do is tell guys it’s not a magic pill and that it can increase their odds significantly if they stick at it but it’s going to be work.

“Not every guy lives in Las Vegas, or New York City, or Chicago .”

They don’t need to. They just need to have access to a large group of hot girls. If you live in a non-major city, choose to live or find a way to get to areas of the city that have a lot of people and thus a lot of hot girls. If you live in a shitty podunk little town, then move to a better city if you want hot girls in your life. If you don’t, then that’s your choice to not make that effort. It has nothing to do with the effectiveness of PUA or what PUAs teach.

“That brings me to two: sometimes , like other behavioral principles, game doesnt work.”

No shit. Game is like knowing how to play poker. If you understand the technical aspects of the game like what cards are have the best odds, and learn to read people a bit, you can significantly increase your chances of winning. But you can still be dealt shitty hands and you can still lose a good hand because it’s not 100%.

“I’ll get this out before the pitchfork gang shows up. If you live in a rural town where all the hot girls are less then 20% of the population, youll need a Bentley and a $2000 suit to get their attention.”

1) this is nonsense, those girls will like those guys as potential Providers but you can still attract them as a Lover. They’ll date, settle and marry those guys while they fuck you. You’ll have a harder time because there’ll be more ASD flying around if everyone knows eachother and it’ll be riskier if you get caught banging them, and you’ll have to focus more on building value through social circles and shit, but girls are girls.

2) if you don’t want to deal with all that hassle, then move to a better city. If you choose not to move, then you’ll have to learn to run game like I just described and you’ll have a tougher time. Focus on moving to a better city where you have more access to hot girls.

“If you live in an area where young women are scarce and men aren’t, you won’t be as successful.”

No shit. So move. Or tighten up your game and get better at the skillset of displaying high value in social situations.

“Everywhere one looks online you see guys parroting “Game Is Invincible”. It aint so.”

Like I say, no good PUA instructor says it’s invincible. Even Tyler rants all the time about how he has to build momentum and guys see him suck sometimes and go “OH NO I THOUGHT IT WAS INVINCIBLE TYLER HOW COME U DIDNT BANG HER???” and explains that that’s not how it works. That’s why I said you’re lying. You’re just saying “they say this” when they don’t because you want to fear-monger other guys to join you in negative victim-complex mindsets. Same way fat people say “those workout people say to just take steroids and eat nothing but salads 24/7” No, they don’t say that, that’s bullshit said by people who are clutching to a world view to justify shit to themselves.

“For every 5’7″ PUA busting his ass to get 5s in the sack, 6’1 small business owner Chad with the new BMW only needs to say two words and he’s getting some. Difference is Chad is getting his whether he’s in rural Kansas or downtown Las Vegas.”

Again this is just silly fear-mongering. Even if Chad could say two words and get laid (which can happen, certain types of girls in certain situations will go for that), that has no relevance on what another guy can do by learning game. The fact that an ugly fuck like Tyler or a short guy like Cupid Shmupid or the Simple Pickup nerds can get laid at ALL is a testament to game.

And here are some manly Chads in action for you…weird, I thought it they just have to say two words?:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/3/#comment-heartiste-654207

“That’s not being negative. That’s reality for some guys. I doubt youll see it this way Yeahreally”

I don’t. But that’s because I go out.

“but lurkers….please don’t buy into the PUA scene as some crutch”

It’s a skillset that can increase your odds of sticking your dick in hot girls.

“Work on yourself, make your life how you want it, and use game as a general social self improvement tool instead of the get laid quick scheme its being pitched as.”

This is silly. If you admit you can improve your social skills, which is basically improving your chances of people liking you and seeing you as having value, then you can improve your chances with women. You’re basically saying “use that boxing stuff as a way to punch really good instead of entering a boxing ring and fighting an opponent and expecting to win like it’s being pitched as”

“Women with options will not forget it just because you run a right MM set.”

They won’t, for guys with your attitude. πŸ™‚ Half the non-PUA guys in this form could pull out stories from their own journeys where they’ve banged a woman who “had options”. lol

(as always I know I won’t convince this guy of anything, and don’t care to, I’m posting this stuff for the lurkers who’ve had similar thoughts because it’s so EASY to disprove now that we have easily hidden cameras and youtube and the views of guys like this damage other men because it keeps them away from resources that could help them change their lives…it blows my mind how deliberately obtuse and invested you have to be in the belief that pickup doesn’t work to ignore the literal thousands of hours of infield footage you can watch with a simple google search where guys are doing this stuff and getting laid from it…like back before youtube or quality hidden camera footage, ya sure it’s easy to be like “whatever man it’s all lies!! that guy hired models!!” but now when people from all over the world some not even working for companies, are throwing up infield footage of this stuff working, it’s like now you have to believe the there’s a mass conspiracy worldwide of guys all paying models to get picked up on camera for them and all these guys who often don’t even know eachother are all running a huge scam)


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@lh
“While women are surely jealous, that feeling of jealousy will actually turn them on up to the point were ASD sets in.”

Ya, even one of Mystery’s points from back in the day was that a girl often won’t fully realize she’s attracted to you until she sees another girl into you and feels that jealousy/fear of loss. And before the ASD kicks in you gotta make them feel more special than the other girls. Like I’ve said before girls don’t really care if you fuck other girls, what they care about is being replaced. Being able to fuck other girls just means you’re high-value, it’s attractive even if she hates that it’s attractive. And if she feels like those girls are all legit competition then she’ll start feeling like “just one of your whores” and ASD and drama kick in. Making her feel like a special snowflake helps avoid this.

“Men on the other hand are really turned off by the mere idea of another cock in that pussy”

It’s funny cause it’s true. When I was doing online dating stuff, any chick with a dude in her profile picture was an instant “nope!” to me. Because my first gut instinct isn’t even jealousy or insecurity, it’s “I’m gonna have to deal with THIS bullshit”, which is either a brother who’s over-protective, or guy-friend who’s overprotective with a crush on her and will try to cockblock, or an ex she’s still into and I’ll have to deal with that baggage/drama, or she likes to play guys off eachother, or she’s into MFM 3-somes and that’s ain’t my thing, etc. etc. And if she has MULTIPLE guys in her pics then it’s even worse, now I’d have to deal with a whole army of orbiters trying to cockblock me, and possibly kicking my ass if I pump ‘n dump her because I find out she’s crazy when we meet up etc etc The “oh she’s a big slut whore” thing is in there somewhere too, but for me all I see when I see those profile pics is “meh too much work, next!” lol

I always wonder if girls put guys in their profile pics solipsistically thinking that men will view them as highly-desired and thus attractive and high-value the same way women do for men, but we may never know.

“Every women will become very sexual given a sexy man.”

I’d say the number of women who are legitimately asexual or extremely low libido is not non-existent but it’s a LOT smaller number than women benefit in having men think lol By convincing men women have low libidos all the time or that just magically vanish here and there (coincidentally when she gets bored of her husband), it’s a lot easier to get out of sex with a man who’s become a beta (because legal marriage removes a bunch of attractive qualities in a man) and just turn on the juices for the sexy alphas she meets.

“So in case of a women “settling down” in her epiphany phase the women with the extensive sexual past may end less sexual because the current man isn’t sexy enough compared to what she already had. And that’s what we discuss here.”

I don’t disagree to this but I would also add that men themselves play a big part in this. A lot of men are flat out shit in bed. They’re boring and unimaginative and don’t really study what good sex is (lots of guys think it’s just “pump as hard as you can as fast as you can for as long as you can” and don’t know anything about foreplay, haven’t read the Sex God Method and know how to get inside a girl’s head, think the g-spot and squirting is a myth, don’t know how to push kink boundaries or introduce kinky shit into the bedroom and refuse to figure it out even when 50 Shades of Grey is selling millions of copies).

And often the cause of it is men are ashamed of their sexuality. Society treats it as a dirty shameful thing that losers have to do cause they can’t get laid and porn addiction this objectifying women that, so men have a lot of repressed issues regarding sex and just stick to what’s “safe”. They see Julien choking a girl against a wall with a smile on her face and join the Twitter hashtag campaign to have him locked up in jail instead of learning why a girl would smile when she’s being choked, let ALONE experimenting (VERY SAFELY, READ UP ON HOW TO DO THIS SAFELY BECAUSE IT’S DANGEROUS HOLY SHIT LOL) and trying that shit on girls, let ALONE trying and experimenting with that stuff on their wife who doesn’t get wet for them anymore.

So I partly blame men for why women are so “not interested in sex”. I wouldn’t be very “interested in food” if the only food anyone offered me was bland tasteless mush lol Guys need to step their shit up. If you’re giving your chick mind-blowing sex, an asshole like me is a lot less appealing to her. If you’re a shitty lay, she’s going to be telling me “wow I wish my husband would do what you just did to me, I wish you could teach him… :(” lol

“It’s btw the same with men: If he “isn’t sexual”, the women isn’t sexy. Period. ”

Like viagra…weird how a rockstar 25yo banging 18yo groupies doesn’t seem to need viagra to get hard but the 45yo guy who’s married to a fat bitchy feminist 3/10 who he has to beg for sex but is simultaneously scared to see her fat flubber with the lights on (combined with letting his own health go) seems to be the main patients buying viagra. WEIRD, I guess those guys just have low sex drives and if you fix his diet/exercise and hand him a busload of hot tight 18yo pussy chasing his dick he obviously won’t be able to get it up for them. …lol

@kfg
“The natural who has them lining up around the block but won’t commit is the epitome of MGTOW”

Ya that’s what I mean when I say really PUA/TRP/Manosphere/MGTOW and even MRA to an extent (they still date) all really have the same goal if they DO decide they want relationships with women: high interest from the girls for low effort from the man, and 100% on the man’s terms my way or the highway style with little to no commitment or legal ties whatsoever on the man’s part, and the man focused primarily on himself and his goals and his own self-improvement and her either supporting that, being neutral to it, or being tossed aside if she in any way tries to fuck with it or place herself as more important than his mission.

There’s a lot of common overlap if the sides would quit acting like children bickering and misrepresenting eachother’s positions/beliefs/methods.

“and I note that it drew attention from a certain class of woman, but I can’t say that my closing rate was any higher. The attraction was not efficient.”

This goes back into what I was saying about “Lover Attraction” VS “Provider Attraction” here (which is a reply to a post Forge linked from here…PICKUPCEPTION!!):

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/10/08/slut-eye/#comment-715335

A lot of the attraction those guys are getting is Provider Attraction. Which can still work, but there are nuances to it and a guy like kfg can find that it doesn’t actually change his closing rate. A lot of girls will actively NOT put out for those guys because they think “if he thinks I’m a slut he’ll pump ‘n dump me but if I can seem like I have morals by not putting out then he might date me!!” etc etc It’s a silly argument on so many levels.

“In terms of pure volume of women approaching me, in a basically rural area, I did best when I was a mid 20s, broke ass folk musician driving a beater FIAT 124 Spyder.”

Quit lying man, that’s impossible, we all know girls only go for rich guys in suits driving BMWs!! What are you some PUA marketer trying to manipulate impressionable young men?? lol The problem with the whole “you have to have (insert external trait) to get girls” mentalities is that there’s just SO MANY guys who’ve experienced that not being the case that it’s like, you have to ignore a LOT of evidence to cling to that belief.


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Here’s a long one, but I want to make sure everyone who does FRs is on the right track.

Not picking on you, theasdgamer but your Field Report is a good example of an FR that’s hard to really help with. So no offense but I’m going to use parts of it as a learning tool for everyone (as well as general trends I’ve seen in FRs these days).

In a Field Report we care about what exactly did you DO, and how exactly did you DO it, and what was the OUTCOME and what did you do in response to the outcome…and most of all we care about DIALOGUE. If you ran a body-language set where everything was just facial expressions and physicality with no words, describe what exactly you were doing or expressing on your face. But if it’s a normal set where you two said actual words, post that dialogue (change some details so you keep you and her anonymous) because that’s where the game is.

We don’t need more than a quick description of the girl’s general hotness and a nickname for her so we can remember who you’re talking about (use descriptors like HB7PunkGirl or GymnastChick etc, don’t give them fake names that are girls names like Alice or Jessica…I can’t remember the name of girls I’ve been making out with, I’m not going to remember the name in your random field report esp if the chick ends up in a few field reports as you complete the seduction, but GymnastChick instantly reminds the reader “oh okay the one he qualified about gym stuff”) and her general state/situation (what’s her mood, who’s she with, etc) is all that’s really necessary.

We don’t need to know stuff like “Alice is a small-town girl who’s father is a wealthy lawyer and we were out in the sunshine enjoying a beautiful day at the park where I like to go fishing–” It’s irrelevant, get to the MEAT. Most problems can be fixed with just the dialogue alone so it’s pointless to write 3 pages of leadup and descriptions and fanciful backstories to the situation when you get to the dialogue and the dialogue was “Hi, my name is YaReally.” “Hi.” “So do you come here often?” Now that 3 pages was a waste of your time to write and the readers time to read because it’s obvious you fucked up at “So do you come here often?” lol Save yourself some time/effort and just get to the MEAT. When I look at Field Reports the first thing I do is read the first sentence or two then skip down to where I see quotation marks and dialogue lol I generally only skim the fluff in-between if something seems unusual with how the interaction played out.

Like here are examples of stuff that there’s nothing we can really help you with because it has no details:

“Asked HB8 waitress to dance and she begged off, saying that she wanted to watch a playoff game. We discussed her team and the playoffs briefly. She said she’d come find me after the game was over. Didn’t happen.”

HOW did you ask her, what did you say exactly? What exactly did she say when she rejected the offer? A dismissive “No I’m busy, the game is on” is very different from a semi-reluctant “I shouldn’t, this is an important game” and both are very different from a seeking-reconnection “Maybe after the game is over??” These nuances are important. “We discussed her team and the playoffs briefly”, are you just going out and having a chat? Are you trying to lead it anywhere? When you’re talking about her team are you running any kind of game to progress things forward? Are you doing anything to give her some emotional impact? Teasing her about her team? Telling her they’re going to lose and getting some back and forth playfighting energy going spiking her Buying Temperature? Are you asking her about why she loves that team so much and getting her to recall deep emotional memories of watching them with her dad as a kid? Or are you just passively having a chat and hoping she jumps in your lap later?

Then “she said she’d come find me after the game was over.” How did she say it, what words did she use? What was her tonality/mood like? “I’ll come find you after the game is over” over her shoulder at the end of the convo is very different from “Will you still be here later? Let’s have drinks after the game!” and both are very different from “I don’t know…maybe when the game is over.”

Because then you get to “Didn’t happen.” and it’s like, no one can really tell you why it didn’t happen or how you could’ve MADE it happen. You’re basically just telling a story of general vague actions. It’s like when guys write “I went up and charmed her and then we hit the dance floor and made out and then I went to take her home but she flaked, HOW DO I FIX??” It’s like man, we have NO IDEA what you did at any stage of your sarge so we have no idea how to help you.

On top of that, ask yourself “What could I have done differently to make that HB8 waitress come find me? Did I not have enough rapport? Was there not enough attraction, did I need to spike her Attraction more? Could I have qualified her like “don’t lie to me, woman” when she said she’d come find me so that she’s more invested in not disappointing me?” and jot some notes down about things you think you could’ve tried looking back (this is ESPECIALLY important for guys who don’t post their FRs for privacy reasons, or who just run through the night in their head…ASK YOURSELF HOW/WHAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE INSTEAD, to get the outcome you want…it forces you to remind yourself of game principles because you cycle through that rolodex of game principles and think “oh you know what, if I had teased her about how her team sucks and then qualified her about how she’s going to be too depressed to come dance with me, that might have spiked enough Attraction/challenge to get her to come over after the game”

“Asked HB6 waitress to dance and she accepted, dissing her own ability to dance. She knows I can dance well. The dance was Ok. HB6s are a dime a dozen to me.”

Great, but what else could you have done with this? It gives you social proof and preselection, use it for something. You could have told her “tell HB8 waitress that I said you’re a better dancer than her” and sent over a Buying Temperature spiking grenade to help make that HB8 waitress more likely to come find you after the game.

“Anything I could have done to play off the cold approach by the NB5? Maybe ask her if she has friends in the bar?”

I have no idea, beacuse I don’t know what she said to you when she cold approached you or what you said to her or what you said when you ended the dance or what she said when she “got hurt” or what she said/did that indicated a strong sexual tension. All I know is that you get laid by your wife. Need details. If she cold approached with “Hey want to dance?” that means one thing, if she approached with “I can’t find my friends, wanna dance?” that means another, if she approached with “I wish I could dance as good as you” that means another thing, etc. etc. All that stuff gives you intel into what you can do to play off the cold approach.

“I went to chat with another broad and the drunk broad fell on the floor by us. I went to help her up and help her latch onto the rail, lol.”

What were you saying to the other chick, what did you say as you helped her up, what did she say, how was the other chick reacting to the situation, how did you end that interaction?

“How would you have handled the situation? I could have asked her out to my truck to drink some port.”

No idea, because we don’t know anything about the girl or your interaction except that she was drunk and fell over. Need some details.

“Do you keep breath mints to give to drunk broads? Seems when they want to kiss me it’s always halitosis time and I bail. I prefer women to drink some wine before kissing to help the breath and to sanitize their mouths.”

I keep breath mints on me for me and my buddies, every guy should have that, redbulls, booze etc make your breath shit. There’s a type of girl who’s turned on by the dirty beer-breath scumbag thing like it’s manly, but in general good breath is important. I’ve had hot girls talking to me where I’m like man I want to bang her but her breath is just brutal, not even from booze but maybe she ate weird food before the bar etc. I have buddies who will eat onion rings and garlic bread and shit before the bar and I’m like “what are you doing” lol The big eye-opener for me was when I was chatting with some random dude and he looked like a cool enough guy but he was drinking vodka-redbull and man, those redbulls make your breath like death, as soon as he started talking it was a nightmare and I was like “if I was a girl all I would be thinking about was how do I get away from this guy”. So ya, carry breath mints.

I don’t really hit on or make out with drunk girls (tipsy at the most, or like if I’m in set with them for a while and we’re all drinking together…but like, I avoid random drunk girls stumbling around and bail as fast as I can if they approach me. Too much babysitting), so I don’t deal with this a lot but when it’s happened I just casaully pop a breath mint and give them one too and if they don’t get it I say “Trust me.” but then change the subject right away so they don’t feel embarrassed.

“Was dancing with a HB6 whose husband was in the bar. She was giggling the whole time and wanting lots of hugs. She was thirsty to dance with me. Danced with her maybe five times. Husband isn’t a dancer. What would YaReally do?”

No idea, because all I know is you danced with a taken girl. You didn’t tell us anything about what you said, what she said, what she said about her husband, what her husband was doing, what her situation was (were there other friends of hers there), did she see you talking to other girls, what did you talk about, what did she say etc etc etc

“I carried on a convo where I did DHV while hiking”

In what way?

“the HB6 MILF was slightly drunk and was sexualizing heavily in the group convo”

In what way?

“What’s the play? Maybe “Enough talk about sexy bath time, how was the cultural event?””

Was she attracted to YOU or was she just being sexual in general during the group event? Giving you her number and saying she’s in the bath implies that she’s specifically interested in YOU which means just be sexual back and close the deal ASAP. But if she’s just an attention whore type in general then ya it’s bait and change the subject or don’t reply till you see her in person. How come you didn’t take that bath convo into building some sexual rapport? Could’ve tested the waters to see if you could go over after her bath since she’s clearly horny…if she doesn’t have a husband, she’s up with her vibrator after her kids go to sleep, your dick could’ve been a replacement for that vibrator.

So that all said here are some examples of a good field report. This is oldschool Tyler, note how much detail he goes into and how he’s constantly thinking about “what was the right move, what SHOULD I have done, what could I have done better, WHY did this negative outcome happen, what events led up to it?” This is why Tyler got good fast. I added some notes:

“hey cool man, you posted a report on that.. here’s some details of my sarge, once the 2set split.. [split = Tyler is one on one with his girl and his wing sickboy is one on one with his girl, this whole thing is a reply to sickboy who posted his own FR of the set…this is how we’d all compare notes and shit in the public forum -YR]

where it went wrong was when I probed for BF about fourty minutes into the sarge.. I heard your chick say the word “boyfriend”, and THOUGHT that she was blowing you off (I was flat wrong).. so to save your sarge, I exploit the massive IOIs I have from my chick, and say to her “I think that sickboy and HBJAP [Jewish American Princess, not Japanese lol I believe they were in New York trying to figure out how to pickup the snobby rich hot JAPs at the time (instead of saying “forget it bro, you need to be making $200,000/yr minimum!” they actually tried shit out until they figured out what worked) -YR] aren’t liking eachother, cause I just heard HBJAP say the word ’boyfriend’ so I think she’s blowing him off.. if they’re not, I’m going to have to leave too, because I can’t leave my friend hanging like that”.. She offers to talk to her and convince her back into liking you, etc etc..

That’s because I like to steal chicks’ frames, so I told her that because I know in her mind that 99% chance she’s ditched guys who she really liked to save HER friend in the past (this is inevitable, chicks do this shit everynight practically).. She starts breaking down and saying how I’m the first guy who understood that, and she totally gets it and she’s not mad and she understands blah blah..[So he’s explaining exactly why what he’s doing is working, a newbie doesn’t have the field experience to explain everything in-depth but like, it’s healthy to at least think about “why do I THINK that worked, based on what I DO know about game?” -YR]

Once she tells me that she’ll talk her friend into liking you for me, I look again and see that you guys look like you’re liking eachother so I hold her off in case its unnecessary.[Nice description of all the dynamics at play, not just “told her to talk to you but in the end she didn’t.” -YR]

So now the IMPLICIT SOI has been laid, and we both know that we like eachother out in the open, and she’s suggesting seeing me again and all this shit. But then her boyfriend calls on her cell phone and starts reeming her out. It’s unfortunate that he was freaking, cause if he was just his usual boring self (I’m betting) she wouldn’t have been so fucked up by it. [Who was it that said PUAs don’t talk about failures and blowouts? Those are learning experiences too. And notice how he’s thinking “how could that have gone better, well if he had been boring instead of freaking out, then she would have reacted like X and I coudld have done Y and gotten Z result” -YR]

I should have known something was up, because earlier on she was covering up the fact that she had a house both in Philadelphia and NYC, by saying “I know its weird, but I just like going back there”. But now it turns out that she has a live-in-boyfriend back in Philly, and she was covering it up out of attraction. [Now he’s thinking back on the full set and thinking “what signs could I have paid more attention to to prevent losing this set?” which means the next time a girl is being suspicious about her living situ he knows “hmm she may have a live-in boyfriend, I should calibrate my game to that” – YR]

He snaps her state, and she starts freaking.

LESSON:
I couldn’t have known she had a serious BF, due to her not bringing it up when your ’boyfriend’ issue came up, and also due to when she qualified herself to me with the whole “I used to date a Soap Opera star but now we’re broken up” speal, I figured I was in safe zone for SOI given the deep rapport and massive attraction. [So he’s thinking back on whether he COULD have done better and exactly why he thought he was solid -YR]

Still, where I went WRONG was that when I figured out the BF was an issue, I needed to FALSE DISQUALIFY myself to her, so that she’d know that coming to the party wouldn’t result in sex, which she flat out KNEW. This goes back to the SEDUCE IN THE RIGHT VENUE post, where she was too horny at the club, and knew that the party would lead to her cheating on her
boyfriend. [Here he’s deducing where he fucked up, he’s not just letting other people tell him he’s actively engaging his brain and forcing himself to think “shit, how could I have done this better??” and refreshing game principles and tactics in his mind and why that approach would probably have worked better -YR]

I TRIED to AMP attraction, which worked to some extent I suppose. But the problem was that by increasing attraction, she wasn’t drunk off it enough to still willingly sleep with me. I was COCKY, and thought that there was clearly enough IOIs that she wasn’t thinking straight enough to not cheat on her BF, but I was mistaken. [No one cares if you fuck up, it’s a learning experience -YR]

The CORRECT fielding of the situation was to *FALSE DISQUALIFY* myself HARD, by saying that I was massively in love with my girlfriend back home, blah blah blah, so she’d isolate herself with me (the attraction still would have been there, but she would have had the EXCUSE she needed to justify it to herself “he said he loved his GF, blah blah”) [So here he’s got a new plan of action for the next time he’s in this situation, which he’ll probably be in again because he goes out regularly, which you should be doing too. And his alternate solution to the problem is based entirely on game theory…it’s not “I should been more aggressive” it’s “I should have said this because then she would have this that will reduce her ASD and that’ll make it easier for me to do such and such” He’s thinking “how would I get my dick in this girl” with EVERY SET, even if it’s impossible he’s thinking about what’s the optimal way to get as far as possible -YR]

Then once she was isolated, start running all sorts of reframes about “being natural, not having an outcome, being real and following your passion” blah blah once I had her in isolation at the party – IF THAT even, since I may have just started getting it on with her with no explanation, given the IOIs. [He’s planning out how he would bang her at the party that she isn’t even going to because the sarge failed lol but the point is he’s doing mental exercises to figure out the best plan of action in these situs…most guys are looking at like, getting a number as their end goal, Tyler is thinking “ya but THEN what?” -YR]

Still, this goes back to field experience again and again. Even with all the shit I know, without that experience under my belt I wasn’t prepared to deal with it.

Now that it happened, I’ll never forget. [And this is why you have to go out and why I stress going out and why guys who don’t go out give shitty advice that often doesn’t hold up infield, don’t listen to keyboard warriors -YR]

Either way, my sarge is still FULL ON, because we can get in contact by phone after you deal with your HBJAP, and I’ll see her next time I’m in NYC. Right now she’s probably sitting around having drama-extreme over whether or not she should have betrayed her boyfriend, and their relationship is probably toast. [So here he’s planning the follow-up, even though he’s leaving the city he’s still thinking “but I can fuck her next time I’m here if I play this right.” -YR]

Anyway, I’m in San Fran right now with JLaix, but I’ll post Jap Busting Part III tommorow when I get a chance.

LESSON: FALSE DISQUALIFY YOURSELF in public gatherings, when she has a boyfriend, so that she’ll agree to isolation. Seduce once in isolation. [And a final major takeaway from his set, and this is legitimately a key maneuver in general…not every field report is going to spit out a golden lesson from it, especially from guys just starting out so don’t force yourself to come up with a final lesson or you’ll start just making shit up for the sake of filling that blank lol, but if you do learn something solid, share it and then IN THEORY other guys would go out and pressure-test that conclusion and compare notes over the next few months lol -YR]

So that’s a Tyler Field Report. Can you see the difference between that and what a lot of Field Reports these days look like where it’s just like “met up with this girl, knew her from before, tried to bang her in my car but she wouldn’t put out. What should I have done?” lol

Here’s another epic Tyler one. In this one notice how he’s going into detail on everything even though this is essentially just one set, but most importantly pay attention to halfway through page 4 where he reveals that the girl he’s been writing the FR about isn’t even his ACTUAL target, because he’s thinking of the overall chessboard of the room:

http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/AMOG/266.html

There’s tons of great information in there alone, about handling AMOGs and hitting on girls with boyfriends and working around obstacles and taking away attention and building social proof and preselection etc.

Hopefully this gives you guys some inspiration on how to write Field Reports and why they’re important. They’re a huge learning tool, I used to spend hours devouring these and in the old days they’d have lots of replies with useful suggestions and critiques etc. It was a goldmine of learning (and normalizing, ie – “well if THIS guy could do this, I can do it, it doesn’t sound that hard now that he’s explained it!”)

Also if you want some of his “JAP busting” notes (since this thread has had so much talk about these girls who will only go for rich dudes etc)…this is from 2003, you can see Tyler struggled with all this stuff, he even hated nightclubs at first, but instead of giving up he said “I’m going to figure this out” and experimented:

“This is hard shit.. I’m in NYC right now, and it was really giving me some difficulty.. They were snubbing my ass left and right.

Now I have it down like POW.. The JAPs are loving it.. It just took calibration time. You have to be MORE SNOBBY than they are.. Roll in with your opener.. I like Dental Floss.. It’s perfect.. I do the same delivery I posted about in my archived stuff.

Roll in there like you’re gonna pick them up real deliberate. They love this because they’re getting excited to shoot your ass down. Say “guys, I have the *most important question*” like all sexual like a tacky 1970s pickup hipster with chesthair sticking out of his open collared shirt with a big gold chain.

Then when they laugh at get ready to snub you, go TOTALLY NORMAL and say “do you brush before floss, or floss before brush?” They burst out laughing, and they’ll answer. Then they’ll snub your ass of course. It’s the BAIT.

Anyone here who wants to say all this “be yourself” bullshit for these rich little JAP princesses need to get a clue, because you can’t produce these results in field. These girls THRIVE on snubbing people. It’s part of who they are.

NEXT: Run your typical negs on them, including:
-Holy Moly Molly Ringwall, you kids are so cool! hahahah so N-Y-C… hahahaha, I was just telling my girl in LA that NYC chicks were FAKE… huhuhhahaa (laugh like a snob JAP)) CONFIRMISTS (implying they’re only doing it to be like everyone else).. this attitude is so transparent hahahaha.. hahahah these guys are CHAMPS!

Then SIT THERE and instantly turn your back on them. Even chat the adjacent set. They’ll sit there talking about what happened.. As you called them “fake”, they’ll sit there and talk about this for a few minutes, lean back and laugh all NYC SNOB style (like YOU’RE a snob) and say “hahahaha, are you guys still talking about US.. hahahaaha” and then turn your back again..

They’ll pull you back. Keep your back turned, and look disinterested. Then get the most GENUINE in the group and say that you like HER the most (whisper in her ear so she giggles). Then she’ll get you in with her group.

We did this twice last night on NYC workshop, and we pulled 3 Broadway NYC models from the club. We used alot of push/pull, and went to this rooftop NYC party with them (like something out of “Sex in the City”. The chick wanted to fuck the student and take him to Bungalo8 (some posh club), except that I made him leave because we had to get up early for today

I also learned some MAD new JAP-Busting skills that I’ll post about in DETAIL in the next few days. Including the “sit there” technique, where you just sit there and steal their frame by being so SNOB that they have to sit there talking to you.

So basically its like once you have them chasing you, pull THEIR shit where you just SIT THERE.. When they ask you questions, don’t even answer, until its the one you WANT to answer.

It’s fucking money. We had SUPERMODELS chasing us. Literally, SUPERMODELS.. I was in SHOCK. I was like “holy shit, I can’t believe these chicks are into us” And I know guys will think “that’s self limiting” blah blah blah.. But I’m talking like SUPERMODELS..πŸ™‚

It’s all with this JAP busting shit.. NYC bros test and report back. The HOTTER and SNOBBIER the chicks the better”

Note how at the end he’s telling guys in NYC who are around these types of girls to field test this stuff for themselves so they can see and write Field Reports and compare notes and look for patterns and nuances that make it work or not work and where it can be streamlined to be more efficient or tweaked to be more powerful etc.

Here’s a good summary of what exactly we (the oldschool PUA community in general) were all doing out there infield. Guys don’t work together like this as much anymore, and everyone is trying to be natural and “just be yourself bro” and avoid using tactics and experimenting, everyone just goes out and sticks to their comfort zone of “I got laid dancing so I just ask girls to dance and hope one of them hooks”. Whereas we were looking at “I want this girl who should have nothing to do with me and be way out of my league and has way better options than me…how can I use these tactics strategically to raise my value and GET that girl?” That’s why it was such an exciting time, we weren’t just “trying to get laid”, we were breaking crazy barriers that no one knew could be broken, and codifying it into a repeatable process.

Note how psyched Tyler is to have figured this out, when a few posts earlier he was like “fuck this is hard these girls won’t give me the time of day”. That’s why I brush off guys who complain about “oh you can’t get THOSE girls, only the rich good-looking guys can get those girls, they just say TWO WORDS and get laid by them” Shut up, go out more, push your boundaries. Note that Tyler is always pushing his boundaries and comfort zones, trying new shit and seeing what happens. He’s treating the field as a big social experiment lab without any real outcome attachment…he loves the GAME ITSELF more than the actual sex. It’s like an exciting puzzle to him. It’s no surprise that 10+ years later he’s still super enthusiastic about the game.

That’s why you have to work on your mindsets, this should be FUN and EXCITING. But if you’re going out with no gameplan and not doing your Field Reports and not thinking about how you could have run each set better, you’re just going to go out and beat your head against the wall out there and get discouraged and give up or dread going out. That’s not going to last you long-term. Do your Field Reports and analysis and purposely try to improve and try new things out and experiment and calibrate what you’re doing and try things out multiple times to see if you can tweak them a bit to make them work etc. Engage your brain.

Look at the mindsets of Tyler in this and how happy he is to have the opportunity to sarge at ALL let alone sarging hot girls. And then look at your peers in their often sad unfulfilling long-term relationships and often purposeless life and mundane dialtone nice safe lifestyle following society’s script for them, and even worse look at guys a few years older than you who’ve made bad mistakes and are saddled with kids that don’t respect them, a fat wife who doesn’t put out, their dreams tossed aside to work more hours to afford a bigger TV so they can shut their brain off for a few hours every night escaping the misery of their real life…and ask yourself “how much would those guys give to switch places with me and be single, free, able to pick up and move to another city or a better location and just chase girls around while I work on my overall career/mission in life with no responsibilities to anyone but myself?”

This is also why I know Sun Wukong will be just fine. And scribblerg etc. All your guy’s very real emotional posts about your frustrations are things I’ve written/said to other PUAs myself, and seen them post/say to others, etc. That’s not to minimize your problems, it’s just to say that everyone gets through it if they work at it (intelligently) and want it. The fact that you guys are even HERE looking FOR solutions is what tells me that you’ll be fine, because guys who crumble aren’t out looking for solutions. It’s the guys who know they need to scratch that itch or it’ll drive them crazy, not for any reason other than to scratch it, that come to a site like this and put in the effort that you guys have put in so far.

Pickup is something that doesn’t cost you ANYTHING…it’s hard to be a millionaire or CEO, you need a lot of external things to go right to make that happen. It’s hard to be built like Schwartznegger, you have to invest in weights and be sore all the time and buy protein shakes. It’s hard to become a pro football player, you need a field and a team and equipment.

But pickup? You just go out and open your mouth around people. That’s it. That’s the barrier to entry. Anyone can do it, anywhere, any time of day, for free. It doesn’t even take physical stamina, you can just go for a walk in the daytime or sit on a park bench or a bar stool and do it. You don’t even have to go out of your WAY to do it, you can run some routines and qualify your cute waitress at the place your work crew goes to lunch at. You don’t need anyone else, you can go solo or make insta-friends wherever you go. There’s no geographic restriction, you can do it anywhere in the world anywhere you travel to (if you don’t speak the language your understanding of body language will make up for it most of the time), you don’t need specific weather or a season of the year (though snow makes getting to the bar suck more). You don’t have to get taller or more jacked or more money or a nicer car before you can start approaching (just handle your basic grooming and style so you don’t look like a social outcast and then let go of that shit). You don’t have to buy drinks or even go into nightclubs, you can just street sarge for free if you want, and you can just walk around with a girl as a Day2 and seduce her back to your place you don’t even need to spend money on a cup of coffee if you don’t want to.

It’s a fucking amazing hobby that will teach you more about yourself than you could ever imagine. πŸ™‚

“ooooooh fuck, we have this shit TIGHT.. The JAP problem is SOLVED.

I seriously didn’t think we’d ever figure out how to sarge these JAPs..Honestly, it was pretty depressing for a while. But now its all good. It reminds me of when I finally figured out how to sarge the Guvernment Club in Toronto. I never thought it would happen, but eventually it just did through practise and alot of field testing and analysis.

Why sarge them btw? Cause if you can sarge THESE girls, you can literally sarge ANY girls. Also, they’re MAD HOT, and they have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that you can make them SPEND ON YOU. And more importantly, PU is a hobby and this shit is fun.

PROPS to Papa and sickboy. I figured out the frame to make them in, and they came up with tons of these lines.. Sickboy thought of the Long Island stuff, which needs to be seen to be believed.. We just put our heads together and kept working lines within the JAP frame.

Sickboy00782 (dude I PU’ed the broadway/models with last night) grew up in the JAP community, and he’s gonna help me understand the scene better – already has alot actually.

If I could just stay in NYC another few nights, I could literally have this down to a pure science.. But sickboy’s gonna keep going out, and he’ll get it supertight soon.

Tonight we were at Bowrey Bar (known from TV show “Sex in the City”), and figured out a bunch of shit. Papa figured out some of it before from the Blue Velvet Lounge at his school in Madison (huge JAP hangout, where they’re even bitchier because they have to “represent” for all the JAPs or something, who the fuck knows)

JAP BUSTING TACTICS:

JAP NEG:
– “Hey, you’re from Long Island aren’t you?”

– “Hey.. Welcome to New York.. You’re cool”

– (JAPs coming out of a LIMOSINE) “hahahah so cute.. its like the PROM)

-Pull out your cellphone, and check your messages, right in the middle of your onversation.

JAP OPENER:
“Hey.. Whose cooler? People from New Jersey, or people from Long Island?”

“Hey… You’re totally from Long Island aren’t you?” (then turn your back and walk off, while she screams at you to “come back! come back!! what did you say?!?!?!”, then go back later)

JAP PUSH/PULL:
-“hey.. we’ve been out all day” (wait for them to beg you to do whatever with them and qualify why you should) “yeah, its not that.. its just.. we’ve been out all day” KEEP REPEATING THE SAME SHIT, LIKE A SNOB JAP WOULD ON YOU.

JAP BODYLANGUAGE:
LAUGHING: HAHA (stop laughing look away) KEY here is that you go “HA HA” and go silent. Like YOU’RE TOO COOL TO EVEN LAUGH LONGER THAN TWO HA HAs. Then you look away. It’s a NEG. A good neg for ANY situation. Whatever they say, just go HUH HUH with a total arrogant rude smile, and then total silence and look away. Utterly rude obnoxious bullshit.

BACKTURNS: Turn your backs on them constantly. Don’t be afraid to be anti-social, or even just sit there talking to your wing the whole night. You’re a JAP-Buster, and you’re too cool to even talk to these JAPS, because they may possibly have been born in Long Island.

JAP QUALIFYING:
The SECOND you do ANYTHING that could be interpreted as you qualifying yourself, its O-V-E-R. The entire pickup is nothing more than you just being cooler than her, and not qualifying yourself, and making her qualify herself to YOU.

Even opinion openers could be you qualifying yourself if you’re not careful. Don’t try to initiate kino. Don’t try to initiate ANYTHING. JUST SIT THERE. Let THEM say stuff to YOU. Use the Long Island stuff and “you’re cool” stuff to get them trying to impress you.

CONSTANTLY put them down like no other. Don’t be afraid to just sit there. You’re a JAP BUSTER, and you’re TOO COOL. Just SET THE BAIT with the challenging comments, and the shit that shows that you’re in JAP CULTURE. Then sit back and get them to qualify themselves to you.

ALSO, use the shit in conjunction with the stuff from the first JAP Busting post. Just REMEMBER that the key to JAP pickup is that its nothing more than a GAME to see who qualifies themselves FIRST, and then from that point.

Once you’ve been through it, proceed to rapport, and remember that you don’t use C&F at that point, but just punishment/rewards bodylanguage. Fun shit.”

Sorry to take up so much space, this’ll probably be 50 pages long, but I’m gonna link to this when the subject of Field Reports comes up again lol Hopefully you guys can see why these things are valuable. Imagine a community of tens of thousands of guys posting stuff like this multiple times a week and all testing eachother’s techniques out and offering advice/suggestions and analysis and going out 2-7x a week infield to pressure test everything and report back and compare notes.

I think people these days, especially in the non-PUA Manosphere/TRP/feminist/etc communities don’t understand how in-depth PUA was back in the early days. They think it’s like a few guys went out here and there and just made themselves authorities and posted up thousand dollar seminars based on theories out of their head and wrote eBooks to cash in. They don’t get that back then the “price” for a bootcamp was “can I crash on your couch while I’m in your city?” and these guys were just helping eachother for the sake of figuring the puzzle out and helping other men.

That’s why I don’t charge for my writing, because these guys helped me out for free and I’m just paying it forward because it changed my life and can hopefully change other guys’ lives too.

And now I have work to focus on so to everyone in general don’t be pissed if I don’t breakdown all your Field Reports, this doesn’t pay my rent lol Break them down yourself as much as you can, and help eachother…you’ll grow and learn from trying to help eachother as much as you’ll grow and learn from being helped.

A group of determined men working toward a single goal is practically unstoppable…that’s why feminism and society want to neuter us into watching Netflix and keep us busy working overtime to pay alimony to an ex-wife who took more than she ever gave and child-support for kids we aren’t allowed to see more than every other weekend.

(it’s also why I don’t give MGTOWs (or MRAs etc) shit…even though MGTOW isn’t for me and I think they have some misguided views about the other camps, especially what PUA is, at the end of the day they’re a group of men who are all unplugging from an unfair system together and encouraging more men to do the same and gathering momentum as more and more men wake up…ANYTHING that frees men from the chains society wraps around them from birth, I’m in favor of. Let’s focus on helping all the slaves escape the plantation by any means necessary, THEN we can all go our separate ways or subscribe to cliques or forge new life paths)


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@hoellenhund2
You should probably do some research. Roosh isn’t a PUA and his ROK/Neomasculinity stuff isn’t PUA and he doesn’t even like PUAs.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47586-post-1023953.html#pid1023953

“MGTOW is designed for quitters/celibates, providing almost no answers for men who want normal relationships with women.

MRA is designed for older men who already got burned badly by the system. It’s dependent on state approval to succeed.

PUA is a primarily commercial enterprise that involves a heavy transfer of money from sex starved males to marketers and attempts to treat sex as existing in a cultural vacuum while promoting unsustainable behaviors.”

I’m guessing from the way you drop stuff like “expatriating to even more exotic lands”, the only real “PUA” stuff you’ve been exposed to is Roosh’s stuff, they’re convinced foreign lands are full of unicorns and shit.

This is what I’m talking about when I say the camps are too wrapped up in their stereotypical views of all the other camps to actually research wtf they’re talking about and actually teach and promote/believe etc. You don’t care about the nuances, you’re too busy going on a ranting tirade about “PUAs think this and say that!!” with no sources or anything, just your own biased views that were probably given to you by other people who haven’t done their research either.

Like I say, when you calmly look at each camp’s point of view, there’s a ton of overlap. But first you have to stop being so angry and be willing to invest some time and effort into understanding.

“It’s impossible that PUA don’t notice this, which means the only explanation for their behavior is that there’s actually no contradiction in their minds.”

We notice, but we don’t care. Men like pussy. The Herbivores are not the future. A MGTOW dating looks exactly like a PUA dating, except the MGTOW isn’t as efficient at replacing his girls. Ideally a MGTOW learns enough pickup skills to shape his dating life into what he wants, VS the Herbivore route of avoiding interaction with women completely.

A dog can bite you, and some people are so afraid of that that they won’t go near dogs. Does that mean dogs are pets no one should own? No, it just means that you should be aware of the risks/dangers and learn to train them. If you do, they can be a fine addition to your life. Men want sex with women and to feel a woman desire them, MGTOWs generally don’t seem to see any way to avoid those risks and the ones that DO see the way are doing the same thing PUAs do (date only on your terms, don’t commit long-term, don’t get legally tied to them, put yourself first, cut them out if they aren’t following your rules, etc) except less frequently (and likely with uglier girls because they’re more passive about it and are more likely to just take what’s around them VS actively seeking out hot girls).

“And the obvious reason they believe that is that they see beta males as completely worthless sacks of human tissue, cannon fodder to be sacrificed in a culture war against feminism that has no tangible chance of success.”

This is retarded. Again have you looked into anything besides Roosh’s stuff? Roosh’s group seems to feel this way but PUAs were all “worthless sacks of human tissue”, before we learned PUA and changed that. So we don’t shit on betas, we see them as guys who can be helped if they want that help, and we hope that they DO want it someday and if they DO want it we do what we can to help them because our beta lives improved dramatically from learning PUA.

“Their lives, time, energy and abilities have zero value of their own, and must therefore be milked with maximum efficiency for the great cause of neomasculinity, or whatever name they’ll choose to adopt in the future. ”

Ya, you need to do more research. Start with typing “rsdfreetour” into YouTube. There’s like a thousand videos for you to watch if you want to stop embarrassing yourself burning down strawmen.

“To mock men who simply walk away from a game they are supposed to be playing no matter how unfulfilling it is, who selfishly practice self-preservation, is to be in alignment with the FI. And the obvious conclusion to be drawn is that PUA isn’t much of a countercultural force after all.”

I don’t disagree with this, but again Roosh is not a PUA despite the headlines that paint him as such (because the FI will group us ALL together) and Neomasculinity is not a PUA movement, and ROK is not a PUA blog. Roosh and his group are doing their own thing and, if anything, they were a part of the Manosphere which is more TRP than PUA. Most of the PUA community doesn’t even know Roosh, CH, or Rollo even exist, that’s why I’m basically the only PUA in these discussions lol

Anyway chill out, lose some rage, do some reading/watching and maybe one day we’ll all be able to have a sane conversation about eachother’s belief systems and approaches without throwing strawmen all over the place in angry rants.


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@tedd @Andy
“Do keep in mind that the deal you made up front probably didn’t include extra women for you on the side. Nothing says the wife has to accept your terms for a contract renegotiation, and if so it leaves you in the position of divorce or having her completely shut you down.”

This. Read my shit on pLTR. It’s difficult if not impossible to go from monogamous commitment to having fuckbuddies. Like it can be done, technically, but it’s a huge crapshoot that’s HEAVILY favored toward blowing up in your face. If you’ve made a monogamous commitment, you’re probably stuck in that situ.

You can go from having girls on the side to mono, they LOVE that that’s them winning you over, they GAIN something. When you go from mono to having girls on the side, she’s losing something and interprets it as “you’re not enough for me” and worries about potentially being replaced since you’re clearly not as satisfied anymore, which is all drama-city and if you’re legally married to her you’re playing russian roulette with the divorce-rape alimony child-support/visitation etc gun and should be aware of that and possibly consider not attempting it…it’s even MORE likely to go haywire if you don’t have much experience IN that sort of pLTR arrangement where you’re going to make mistakes and shit learning to hold your frame and keep her feeling special and keep the other girls from crossing boundaries etc.

“Certainly not as many as the millions that thought they could get away with it and didn’t have the experience to handle one woman rather than two or a handful of women and went down in flames trying.

I’m not saying your prescription is wrong for you. But many men here are implying that their way is right for others. .We are questioning you guys based on old guy wisdom after watching things for three decades past our 20’s.”

Ideally we work towards changing that and providing a solution like a step by step guide on how to pull off a pLTR through experience and trial and error. There are a handful of guys attempting pLTRs already, from famous people like Hugh Hefner, Will Smith, Gene Simmons DID try it but fucked it up by putting the world’s social pressure on his chick and had to cave, to randoms like Blackdragon, RSDTyler, myself, and a number of other misc PUAs no one has heard of.

That’s how change happens…we explore new avenues and try new shit out and see what works and look for commonalities that we can build guidelines and structure out of to teach other men.

The reality is the world you old guys dealt with when you were our age is dead and buried. Shit has changed, whether it’s for the better or worse is debatable based on the individual, but clinging to the idea of finding a unicorn to marry in 2015 is delusional (I agree with Andy that pretty much no girl except girls with serious sexual repression issues are coming out of college these days with anything under a 10 n-count if you’re counting stuff like BJs and shit not just P in V).

And NOBODY has any solutions for it, just bitching and moaning about how no solution will work and everything’s going downhill and let’s all just run away from it and let’s laugh at these youngsters trying their crazy ideas out.

But some of us are out here experimenting because we’ve seen enough clues that something like a pLTR can work long-term even with having kids, and there are patterns and guidelines making themselves visible each time we try it and compare notes.

The problem is most guys can barely get ONE girl let alone have enough abundance to try something like a pLTR. A lot of guys running harems of FBs don’t even run them openly and try to make each girl think they’re monogamous. It’s a scary thing to go “I’m going to see what happens if I just invite 4 girls over at once and risk losing them all” or “I’m going to see what happens if I tell these girls I have a girlfriend but am allowed to play around on the side and how I can calibrate the wording of that so that they’re cool with it” or “I’m going to let this girl I like be my girlfriend and risk losing her by refusing to stop seeing other girls no matter what”.

Guys are in scarcity, so the progress on narrowing this stuff down will be very slow. But ideally in 5-10+ years we’ll be able to give guys a set of guidelines to make something like a pLTR with kids work, instead of their options being “get married and probably divorce-raped and destroyed, or become an Herbivore who avoids all contact with women”.

It’ll be too late for a lot of guys reading this, but the next generation of men may do better so it’s worth looking into even if we aren’t around to see the effect it has if applied en masse.


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@Andy
“I don’t want to say telepathy, but that’s basically what it looks like. I want that.”

Stages of learning are:

1) Unconscious incompetence (you don’t even know that you don’t know)
2) Conscious incompetence (you know that you don’t know)
3) Conscious competence (you know, but execute it consciously)
4) Unconscious competence (you know and don’t have to think about it)

What you see in RSD vids is usually the 4th stage, because they go out so much and have so many reference experiences in their head, their brain is just calculating shit way faster than someone who has to think about it as they do it. There’s no way to get this from just reading, you have to go out and collect reference experiences. Most of what I’m doing when I’m out is on auto-pilot but I used to have to think step by step through it all. It just comes with time in the field.

But when you DO get good at it, it DOES feel like “telepathy” or “omnipotence”. Everyone else is running in slow motion and you know what they’re thinking or going to do before they do. You can predict their reactions and you’re 10 steps ahead of them in realtime. It’s an exhilarating feeling. Just the other night I had a new number from a girl and was texting a buddy exactly what she was going to text me and at what time (like “now in about an hour she’ll reply with a comment about bla bla” and “now because I said this thing to her, she’s going to send a selfie from the bar bathroom to prove me wrong, but she’s out with friends and wants to leave the opportunity to re-open me open (if she replied now she would have to “be slutty” and initiate a new convo later tonight when she wants to hook up) so she won’t reply until she wants to ping me to see if I’m still awake and can hook up” etc) and nailed like 90% of it down to 10 minute windows and almost dead on wording.

But it’s nothing magical, it’s not that we’re cut from some special cloth or anything. I was basically the asian kid in this till I was 24 (and I’ve known guys like the poor nervous kid on the right):

But I put in the study and the hours in the field. It’s that simple. Like learning any other skill. If I had put the same hours into playing the guitar or playing/watching sports or whatever, I’d be good at those things instead. I just chose the hobby that was the most rewarding to me.


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@kfg
“Don’t trust a lay over 30 – and except maybe for a one night stand, no kids.”

I steer clear as fuck away from girls over 30 (I’m mid-30s), ESPECIALLY now that I’m mid-30s, because they want to lock a high-value mid-30s guy down hard. I have to double-down on disqualifying myself as Provider material because they are looking at me like their last chance to settle down and have kids etc. And they get PISSED if I don’t want them, because in THEIR mind “we’re the perfect age!!”, they think I should want them when I can still get 18 year olds lol Because they’re “mature and intelligent” etc It’s ridiculous shit but I’ve noticed a definite increase in how desperate they are to get me to boyfriend up so I prefer to avoid them entirely.

If I DO bang them, I don’t let them near the condom, use a fresh condom each time so I know it’s not likely to be damaged, and usually won’t even finish inside them, and if I do I hit the bathroom to fill the condom with water and squeeze to make sure there’s no leaks, rinse it out, tie it and ball it up in toiletpaper at the bottom of my wastebasket (or if it’s her place I’ll throw it in my pocket to toss out elsewhere). And it’s sex ONLY, ZERO relationship type shit with them, and tons of disqualifying myself (I’ll even complain about money and health problems and shit to them lol). Keep myself 100% in the Lover category.

Just not worth it. Most of the 23+yo girls aren’t even vapid retards or anything. Like ya the 18yo’s are retarded but that’s fine I don’t expect to have deep conversations with them, I have intelligent male friends for that. All I expect from the 18yo is be hot and have a good positive vibe and be fun to fuck. But the 23+yo girls, like I’ve NEVER had a conversation with a 30+yo woman that expanded my mind in any way more than a 23yo. 30+yo women, even 35+yo women act like they’re 5 year olds, often WORSE than mid-20s girls because they have way more baggage and shit.

Really, women in general aren’t that intellectually stimulating. But I don’t expect them to be, just like I don’t expect a dog to do my taxes lol Just be pretty and fun and have a good bubbly energy and she can have the chance to be a part of my life.

I personally don’t think any guy under 40 should go anywhere near 30+yos. 45 or 50 even, if he’s actually good with girls. They’re on their way towards the wall and going downhill and you’re in your prime. It’s a fantastic deal for HER, but a shit deal for you once that wall hits and you realize your dick is going to have to fuck that wall victim for another 20 years.


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Basically my view on 30+yo’s lol:


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@Blaximus
“As for married men cheating, I’m not onboard.”

The only guys I give a free pass on this to are the guys who got married before we had all this red pill knowledge available, or before they found it. Like the guys who got roped into the Disney fantasy with good intentions and found themselves trapped by a rigged con they didn’t realize they were the mark in.

Any guy who discovers red pill shit and then gets himself into a monogamous LTR/marriage and cheats is an idiot and I don’t have a lot of respect for them. Because they entered that relationship either out of scarcity when she laid out an Ultimatum (which means they should’ve been sarging more and dating more girls), or out of a lack of self-awareness that they wouldn’t be able to keep that commitment (which means they should’ve been sarging more and dating more girls)…the “I was innocent and got duped” no longer applies because they had the knoweldge/warnings and chose to ignore them.

And the reason they’re cheating is because they’re in scarcity and scared to lose the girl, so they cheat and rationalize their bad decision to enter an agreement they wouldn’t be able to hold up their end of the deal in.

I don’t get into a mono LTR because I KNOW that I’m not happy in that situation, and I KNOW that because I’ve dated a lot of girls and learned that about myself. Any guy who discovers the red pill should be doing the same. If you can’t hold up your end of a monoLTR till you die, then you shouldn’t be agreeing to a monoLTR.


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@Rollo
“Again, the ‘right guy’ is an abstract term, not the caricature of an Alpha you’d like it to be. The Beta in Waiting chump who makes himself available to a woman during her Epiphany Phase is the ‘right guy’ for that woman’s circumstance.”

That doesn’t make sense, I just read somewhere that suits are like lingerie to women…if the “right guy” that triggers a woman’s Hypergamy is an abstract/flexible term, that would mean that a woman could find a scruffy guitarist in a t-shirt higher-value and more attractive than a guy in a suit…but if that’s the case then men wearing a suit could actually be lowering their value to that woman instead of increasing it and I can’t imagine lingerie lowering a woman’s value to a man.

just buggin yaπŸ˜‰


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@Rollo
“Funny good guy = provider
Moody bad boy = lover”

No idea what the lab experiment has to do with anything. It’s just confirming that women’s view of high-value is flexible depending on circumstance, which would just back my point up if we pretend lab experiments have any kind of credibility when it comes to this stuff lol

I used to bring a VERY blue-collar buddy to high-end venues, and he dressed in his blue collar clothes while everyone else was done up in suits. Dude bought into the same frame as you and got nothing from chicks there (they could read his insecurity in his subcomms), till over time he got more comfortable in the environment and loosened up and started expressing himself more (he was a Natural). Once he got comfy he was running circles around the suit guys. It was ridiculous lol So many chicks have a fantasy of fucking a rough manly blue collar type, ESPECIALLY chicks who are around a lot of suits all day (and see a lot of chodey betas in suits).

Hypergamy can be manipulated since women ping off their environments for how to feel. That’s why those “fake celebrity prank” vids work, or why suddenly Ryan Gosling is a 10 when no one gave a shit about him before the media told women he was attractive, and why beards are sexy now when in the 40s they meant you were a bum. Anchor suits to chode beta behavior to a girl and she’ll find guys in suits unattractive, anchor t-shirts to high-value alpha behavior and she’ll find guys in t-shirts attractive. It’s retarded but hey that’s chick logic and it’s great when you understand how to influence it.

The first thing I’ll do talking to a girl in a high-end venue is joke about how try-hard the hot waitress I was just talking to says the guys in suits here are and start influencing her value system to something beneficial for myself lol It’s what Boyfriend Destroyers are based on: convince the girl that her guy is a Nice Guy(TM) so that she starts viewing his attributes she used to like in a negative perspective, and disqualify yourself so that she starts viewing your flaws in a positive perspective, and watch her attraction to him drop and to you skyrocket. This is standard shit, same thing can be done with ANY external attribute, from looks to money to fashion etc.

But you can’t convince her that confidence isn’t attractive, or that preselection isn’t attractive…that’s why those are universal core diamond principles that we have guys focus on.

@Forge @scribblerg
“They flirt and joke and enjoy it, then when you try to escalate past that they’re like ‘holy shit this dude actually wants to bang me, I don’t know how I feel about that arg cognitive dissonance!’ So maybe the key is finding ways to reframe the whole concept for them…”

This happens a lot when you aren’t their normally imagined type (or the situation isn’t a situation they normally imagined). Like when you’re hitting on a dolled up chick but you’re dressed like a scrub. She’s attracted when you’re running your game, because attraction is not a choice, she can’t help it ’cause you’re hitting emotional switches for her. And it’s fun and good feels. But then when she realizes “oh shit, if we keep going like this, this is going to lead to sex! But this guy isn’t even my TYPE!! Or this isn’t the situation I expected to be turned on like this in!! I don’t know what to do, I need time to process this ahhh!!” and her ASD kicks in.

This is actually similar to what happened with Tyler in his FR I linked with the JAP with the boyfriend. She was attracted, but never imagined cheating on her boyfriend, so when it got to the point where shit was going to get real (if she came to his party she’d fuck him), her ASD kicks in and prevents it. (his solution to say he has a girlfriend is to disqualify himself as a replacement for her boyfriend, he couldn’t be her boyfriend since he has a girlfriend, so if she fucks him she doesn’t have to replace her boyfriend because he’s just a Lover the same way fucking the cabana boy on vacation “doesn’t count” because she’s not going to replace her boyfriend with him).

On top of that, there’s a dynamic where if you haven’t framed yourself as a Lover adequetely, when shit passes that “it’s gettin real in here” point, her brain is like “wait, but this guy is a potential Provider, and I don’t know if he passes the test for THAT, do I want him around my social circles and friends? Could I bring him home to meet my family? Do I want to dump my boyfriend to date him?? I don’t think so no ahhhh I have to run away!!” (my blue collar buddy and I have had a number of girls where they’re high-value types so they wouldn’t bring us around their friends (who would wonder why they’re fucking “bums” lol), but would still text us to hook up because they wanted the sex…one of them tried buying my buddy a suit so she could show him off to her friends it was hilarious)

But just like Tyler explained in that FR, the key is disqualification, combined with the reframing Forge describes here:

“So maybe the key is finding ways to reframe the whole concept for them – making it cool exciting and above all acceptable for them to actually want to fuck an older guy. If you see they have doubts, it’s good to vocalize them for her so you control that thought and can dispel it.”

So the combo is basically to disqualify yourself as a Provider, while reframing yourself as a Lover. Because as a LOVER, with 0% chance of being a Provider, you don’t have to compete with the ideal vision she had in her head of what she settles with and she can let loose and just enjoy the adventure.

Like a guy might ask “but YaReally, if you’re NOT the girl’s type (she likes tall jacked suit dudes), how are you banging her??” because it doesn’t make sense logically. But when I’m gaming her, right from the start I’m removing myself as a possible Provider with the way I talk about relationships and say I have commitment issues and tell her not to fall in love with me and flirt with other girls in front of her and talk about sexual experiences with random girls etc etc. Once I remove myself from that, she no longer compares me to the dream Provider in her head (let’s say she visualizes Don Draper in a suit lol).

Think of it like this: Let’s say that you have two criteria for what you’ll eat…it has to taste good and be cheap. If you go to an average restaraunt chain, you’re going to compare the price of the food AND the taste, because either criteria is relevant to you since there are cheap items on the menu and good tasting items on the menu. But if you go to a super high-end restaraunt, you KNOW the food there isn’t going to be cheap, everything on the menu is $50 minimum, so you don’t bother ordering based on a dollar here or there because everything on the menu is expensive…you throw that criteria out the window completely and focus entirely on what will taste the best. If someoene said “but shouldn’t you order the steak instead of the lobster since it’s $1 cheaper?” you would brush that aside because that’s not the criteria you’re judging the meal’s value on in that moment.

So what I’m doing is removing the Provider criteria where she’d compare me against her unicorn Don Draper Provider/Lover combo vision in her head. If I wanted to be her Provider, then I wouldn’t match up because I’m not wearing a suit. That’s why all these lameass Manosphere guys get owned when they take these chicks who dream about a rich husband out on a date at a fancy restaraunt and wear their suit…they’re an inferior version of her dream Provider but they’re putting themselves in the potential Provider category where she compares them again her dream Provider. Then they get mad that the chick isn’t impressed enough by what they have (because it doesn’t compare to her unicorn dream vision) and write an angry forum post about what an ungrateful shallow bitch she is and how you have to make $200k to get these girls to even give you a chance etc etc

But in the LOVER category, that’s where Indiana Jones, the scruffy lead singer from some dirty rock band, the roughneck cowboy, the fireman, the guy of some other race that she would never settle with or take home, the weird skinny passionate artist guy, the Bruce Willis in Die Hard alpha male in a dirty wifebeater, etc fall into. Sure she wouldn’t bring Bruce Willis in his dirty wifebeater home for Christmas dinner, but she’d LOVE to get railed by him bent over the Nakatomi Plaza roof.

Put yourself in THAT category and the rules other guys have to follow no longer apply. That’s why I don’t have to take them out to dinner and shit. I actually tell them to doll up as IF I’m going to take them to a nice place and then have them meet me in a shithole pub where I’m in a t-shirt and sneakers just like when they met me. 1) this is entertaining to me lol, and 2) it puts them on the self-conscious defensive which helps lower their bitch-shields if they’re snobby because everyone there is comfortable being there and she’s the odd one out, but most importantly 3) I’m making it VERY CLEAR that I’m not a Provider, especially when I make her split the bill (often they’ll pay for my drinks because they assume I don’t have the money to be throwing around lol).

…and then we walk out, I laser, cut the space, kiss them, put my arm in theirs, and we walk to my place and fuck.

But…but how?? It’s not magic, it’s just understanding how their Lover/Provider categorization works and how to exploit the loophole that other guys don’t realize is there.

Reframing comes in when you also layer stuff about how there are no consequences or negative downsides to fucking. “What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” is a reframe that allows girls to do shit they would NEVER normally do in their “real” life, and would NEVER write down in a gay lab experiment “I would like to be double-teamed in the bathroom of a Vegas nightclub on a girls’ night out by two guys I met an hour ago while my husband is up in our hotel room waiting for me to come home”. But “what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” removes the consequences to her.

As RSDTodd puts it: a lot of times pickup isn’t about convincing her TO fuck you, it’s about convincing her that there’s no reason NOT to fuck you.

As an old guy macking young chicks, some examples of disqualifying yourself as a potential Provider guy she takes home to meet her family and social circle, would be like “oh you’re far too young for me anyway, I’m only interested in older women” (meanwhile when you get her in isolation (no consequences compared to the middle of the office during the day) you just say “it’s weird, you’re so young but you have such a mature vibe to you…” and escalate), or “you wouldn’t want to get involved with me, you’re so young and innocent. I would break your heart. We should keep this as just friends.” (meanwhile when you get her in isolation you just say “you really should stay away from me…I hate that we have such an intense connection, I think I’d be a bad influence on you. We shouldn’t be doing this…” as you laser and cut the space and makeout and escalate). Or you could go more hardcore with something like “oh I’m not looking for anything but friends…my ex-wife left me years ago and I feel like I could never replace her in my heart. Maybe that’s silly, but I don’t think I could love again…” (I feel 3 points gayer just for writing that out lol), and then of course in isolation “it’s weird, when we talk I don’t really think about her…there’s something about you, I don’t know what it is. It’s like you’re hijacking my brain…(classic Mystery line) I should stay away from you, we shouldn’t be doing this (push/pull)…lasers, cutspace, makeout, bla bla).

And as an old guy macking young chicks, some examples of reframing would be “ya, it’s weird, I’ve dated a lot of girls in my years and I’ve found that age just isn’t a big deal to me…have you ever met someone who was wise beyond their years? Or someone who was way too immature for their age? I find age is just a number and the real connection happens when you’re both on the same wavelength of maturity. I think people who worry if they’re too young or too old for someone else miss out on a lot of amazing experiences because they’re worried society will judge them for it.” Or you could talk about fantasies and get her talking about how she had a crush on her older teacher in school, or older actors. Call her “mature for your age”…tell stories about dating younger women and how older women have so much baggage and are depressing etc Tell stories about a female friend of yours that told you she has an older man fantasy and you think it’s cute but she’s not your type but whenever she’s around you she gets all giggly and bla bla That kind of shit helps make it seem totally normal that you two would hook up. Like you’re reframing it as perfectly natural that a younger woman would be attracted to an older man.

Throw all that shit at her and now you’re out of the potential Provider category and into the Lover category. Stuff like her boyfriend or picturing you meeting her family or expecting you to take her on a nice date or comparing you to Don Draper goes out the window because you’ve removed yourself from that competition. Get her isolated so that she doesn’t worry about any social judgement and knows it’ll just be your little secret and you should have no problem escalating to sex.

“i.e. ‘OMG I can’t believe we’re doing this, we’re just friends…(escalate)…do you think this will ruin our friendship? (escalate) I don’t usually do this, I’ve never felt this way before…(escalate)”

Yup this stuff is useful too if you get any Last Minute Resistance (there’s lots written about how to diffuse LMR, google it up, it works like magic).

@Rollo
“In my 20’s I personally fucked at least 2 divorcés who “never did this with their ex-husbands” and I’m sure YaReally has a few stories that are similar.”

Yup. I don’t even want to tell some of those stories because they would disillusion a lot of guys. There were points where even *I* was like “shit, that is COLD…” and had to poker-face my way through it lol Also seen the “won’t put out for my man till we’re broken up then it’s cock carousal rampage time” stuff a bunch too, obviously.

Any thoughts on birth control fucking with their sex drive? My buddy’s convinced it can kill their drives, but I’ve never really looked into the science or anything.

“their wives know how to please them, they just don’t want to please THEM.”

This is key. If she never pleased you from the start then alright maybe she’s just low libido. But if she USED to please you, but doesn’t anymore, you’re no longer attractive enough to be worth that effort, regardless of what she says is the reason. It’s not even about how good-looking you are or your external value, lots of AAA celeb dudes get cheated on or dumped. It’s your internals OR it’s not even your fault it’s more what her values have shifted to in terms of what triggers her Hypergamy (like I explained up above). You may not have changed at ALL, you may still be a badass but her value system has been warped by media influence to believe that husbands are just loser Homer Simpsons and the REAL excitement is in finding a sexy scruffy artist on some eat pray love adventure who fucks them in his shitty flat because it was so hot in that recent hollywood movie with that actor that she wasn’t really attracted to before but now thinks is a 10, and you just don’t happen to be what triggers her Hypergamy anymore through no fault of your own.

…’course it’s usually the guy’s fault because guys in LTRs let themselves go and a monoLTR/marriage by it’s very design is based around voluntarily giving up a lot of your major attractive qualities and most guys don’t realize if you’re going to throw those away you better double-down on others (like having a job where you’re around hot young chicks all the time so your passive dread game is stronger than Bob the Accountant).

@benfromtexas
“Any man here knows if your in your mid-thirties hitting on a tri-delta sorority girl, you can play the experienced man vs younger dudes.”

This has been my and my buddies’ M.O. lately lol We make fun of the younger guys in the bar to girls. “Oh it’s cute, I think that one has a crush on you, he’s trying to work up the nerve to talk to you…want me to wave him over? I’m way too old for you, you should be with that guy instead he’s got to be around your age.” Young guys are just leafs blowing in the wind, no oak tree solidity to their frame or internals yet. They’re super easy to get to qualify to you because, sadly, while I’m super un-manly compared to tons of older dudes who’ve been through wars and shit, compared to young guys THESE days I am like Clint Eastwood.

“When I found the thread on it, I was like,”wow” I can use this with framing myself better with younger women.”

lol this is awesome to read because I promote Tyler’s Boyfriend Destroyers all the time but I don’t think a lot of guys actually try them out. Glad to see they’re working for you. I use that shit all the time, it’s one of the most useful tools in PUA especially these days when girls have validation coming in from all angles from guys and you have to lower your competition’s value.

“I don’t belittle or degrade younger dudes. I’m simply a better choice for them.”

Ya this is fine too. When I say I’m making fun of the younger guys I’m making fun of the ones they don’t know, like the randoms in the bar we’re in. When the guy I want to BFDestroy is her actual boyfriend/husband there’s no belittling him, if anything it’s all COMPLIMENTING him, but in a way that will make him unattractive. Like “he probably just gets jealous because he loves you so much…he’s probably had a few girlfriends before and you’re the best one and he knows other guys will probably see that and try to take you from him and it would crush him to lose a girl that means so much to him. His whole world would fall apart without you because he loves you SO much…he sounds like a really NICE GUY.” etc etc On paper that’s all compliments, but it makes her go “well he’s not THAT great, this one time he–” and focus on his bad points for you. Then you defend him and she attacks him, it’s hilarious. If you attack him, she’ll defend him. Same way your buddy can piss and moan about how shitty his GF is but when you tell him to dump her because she’s shit he’ll suddenly start to defend her out of instinct and deflect the blame for her bullshit onto himself to white knight her etc…but if you say how amazing and perfect she is and how happy he must be and how lucky he is to have her, he’ll be like “well it’s not ALL perfect, I mean she does this thing that bugs me sometimes–”

“I never did instant dates before, but I’ve been working at them now. Instant dates are new to me, but going well so far.”

When you feel comfortable with the instant date thing, try escalating those to sex. Have a plan of action to get from the juice bar to your place. Read up on structuring “Day 2″s, RSDTodd has some good daygame infield stuff, there’s lots on YouTube by other companies too though so there’s tons to learn from. You want to be doing stuff like mentioning something in your apartment that’ll be intriguing that you can roll into “come up for a minute and I’ll play you that song we were talking about (taking away accountability “oh I wasn’t going up there for SEX, it was just to listen to that song and then it Just Happened(TM)”)…but you can only stay for a bit, I have work/gym/plans/etc. tonight (assuming it’s daytime, this is the disqualifier like “oh we aren’t going to have sex, he says I can only stay for ONE drink” so her ASD isn’t triggered and then it Just Happens(TM)). Read up on “time distortion” with venue changes, it builds Comfort faster, and figure out if there are venue changes you could add to your instant date. It’s VERY possible to fuck them off that instant date. She’s horny all the time, not just on friday/saturday nights past 9pm after a date, the same way guys don’t only fap on fri/sat nights past 9pm lol Check my archives for stuff on laser eye-contact if you haven’t, it’s killer for building sexual tension in situs where kino or blatant escalation can be a little awkward (daygame, high-end venues where people are more restrained etc).


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@keyser
“How about a guy dressed in a tailored suit in a party full of nerds.
It’s not like a black and white. Suites and well dressed men represents power/dominance.”

Exactly, that’s my point. A suit in certain situations represents chodes. In a place like DC where the guys are government beta types, a suit can represent betas, to a girl with hippie type values a suit can represent shitty corporate culture losers…90% of the male workforce in Japan wears a suits but no one thinks these guys are sexy alphas:

A guy in a suit walking into a country bar isn’t getting more attention than the guys dressed like cowboys, the girls there are there because their value system is “cowboys are hot”. Same with rappers wearing their XXXL t-shirts and shit. Guys getting fucked by cheerleaders in the lockerroom after a football game aren’t wearing suits. John Mayer isn’t up on stage in a suit playing guitar and a lot of girls would rather fuck the sweaty wifebeater version of him than the cleaned up red carpet suit version.

So there’s no universal “guys should wear suits because suits will make girls view him as higher-value”. The benefit a suit gives is based on the girls’ personal value system, which is different woman to woman. Lingerie isn’t even universal.

This idea puts guys on the wrong track focusing on the wrong things when they should be focusing on things that ARE universally attractive (confidence, social proof, etc).


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“A guy in a suit walking into a country bar isn’t getting more attention than the guys dressed like cowboys”

(not to say that it CAN’T happen, but it’s not consistent in any capacity where someone could say “wear a suit to a country bar and all the girls will view you as higher value than the cowboys because a suit is viewed as universally high-value” and ideally we want guys to have consistency by focusing on the right attributes)


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I like Divided Line’s thought experiment. Some people are already experimenting with it though I wouldn’t by any means use them as a good guideline because a lot of it is like a cuckolded beta being forced into it lol:

http://mommasaid.net/linger/parenting-together-apart/
http://raisingchildren.net.au/forum/Topic47691-16-1.aspx

Realistically this shit is happening ANYWAY, married chicks are fucking around or not putting out deadbedroom style and betas are getting cuckolded but are trying to be “honorable” and NOT fuck around or are shamed out of it (like the static Andy is getting here, not saying he should chase his dream but just saying when a married guy thinks about straying everyone shames him for it while when a married chick thinks about cheating they say “you go grrrl your man is a bum anyway” and encourage it).

The end result is a bunch of households where the guy isn’t fucking his wife, she’s probably fucking around on the side, and nobody is happy about the situation.

It sounds like all Divided Line is really suggesting is legalizing and codifying that arrangement, but with an up-front realistic breakdown of how it’ll work for the people involved so the guy KNOWS that when he’s 35 he probably won’t be getting sex from his wife and yes he should learn some game because he’ll want it around then, and to expect that she’ll probably lose attraction for him longterm because monogamy is broken in 2015 the age of endless validation and delusions for women that he won’t be able to live up to (VS people married before the internet and social media).

From my perspective if I were to settle down and have kids my ideal arrangement to make it work in 2015 would be:

– no lopsided legal arrangement, if there’s any legal arrangement it’s split down the middle entirely

– I get to keep fucking around on the side

– if I keep my value up, her Hypergamy should keep her attracted to me, but it’s ENTIRELY possible that she’ll stray

– more likely than not she will bail around the 7-10 year mark to go ride the cock carousel again, I would EXPECT this to be a possibility and ideally the new marriage system would expect it too

– really, the whole arrangement would be based around “let’s get together and pop out some good-looking kids, but only for about 10 years and then we’ll both go our separate ways, split everything down the middle, and possibly even still live together in a shared house till the kid is 18, but we’ll both know that this is the most likely outcome and be prepared for it to happen

– mandatory paternity tests, obviously

– ability to simply renew it after the 10 year mark for another 5 years, etc. Could just be an auto-renew that happens unless one side opts out

– after the 10 year mark if one side opts out, that side gets X amount of money, maybe even alimony, but it has like a 2 year cut-off where past that they’re on their own.

So marriage becomes LITERALLY just getting together to raise kids and then you’re both free to move on, or renew your marriage for another 5 years if you both want to. She can go ride the cock carousel, you can go be single at 40 and bang a bunch of young poon, and everyone’s happy.

…except her when she hits the wall and no one wants to commit to her lol

That’s the way I would want to see things structured, but it’ll never happen. If I were to have kids under the current system in 2015, it would be with no legal agreement, paternity tests, I would run a pLTR so I have a couple fuckbuddies on the side or can guilt-free go bang randoms as long as I don’t bring home STDs and shit, and I would fully expect that it may only last 10 years and then in her 30s she would stray to eat pray love and we would have to decide on custody etc of the kid to ensure he/she still has a relatively stable loving homelife (VS angry bitter divorced parents fighting).

Do I think that’s realistic? lol no, not really. It might be in the future, but right now, well, that’s why I don’t settle down and have kids lol

Personally I’m banking on my YaReally Reversion Theory:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/2/#comment-rationalmale-87187

I’m just having fun while I wait for the next generation of chicks who aren’t all fucked up, and even THEN I’ll go into it with a full expectation that it may only last for 7-10 years especially if she’s a hot 23yo when we pop out babies.


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@theasdgamer
She wants to fuck you, obviously. Your reads on her letting you know she’s home alone during the day etc are all accurate. It’s basically a done deal.

Bringing up her husband and going for the number was unwise, it triggers ASD and creates potential drama in her social circles which could come back to bite you in the ass or make her flake. Ya it was ballsy and ya it worked, but it’s not something I’d advise and it’s not something that will consistently work. You lucked out that it didn’t fuck things up, that’s why she got all weird about showing you his pic. She was thinking “dude we were doing so good why are you making me remember I’m being a slut??”

The chicks probably cockblocked you because they know what’s going and rallied around to protect her from making a mistake (girls can spot buying temperature in other girls, that’s why at the bar when you have one girl going often her friend will say “WE HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM” and drag her off even tho that girl wants to stay, because she knows she has to get her away from you to let her cool off and let her Buying Temperature settle down because if she leaves her there you’ll end up fucking her…this is also why when a girl comes back from the bathroom after one of those drag-aways she’ll sometimes be ice cold when you approach her again or will avoid you, because she’s settled back down and is extra determined not to let her Buying Temperature spike up like that again because she’s trying not to fuck you tonight).

Not sure what your goal is exactly. She wants to fuck you. You could make up an excuse to go over during the day or just isolate her anywhere (hike, her place, your place, whatever as long as it’s private with full isolation so no one will see her be slutty) and fuck her brains out.

But if you aren’t going to fuck her then you’re just fucking with their marriage/family life for your own ego-validation which you’ll have to decide if that’s something you’re cool with or not. And if she throws herself at you TOO hardcore and you reject her, she will probably unleash drama hell on you (False Rape Accusations, poison your social circle wells, lie about you to other people, tell your wife you were trying to fuck her to create drama in your life, etc)

If you’re not going to actually fuck her I would just take the validation of knowing she wants to bone and move on.


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@Divided Line
“the main problem here and what puts men at a disadvantage in marriage is that they have to find the sexual ideal and the beta mom ideal in one person, whereas women, given how family law and marriage works, do not. They can separate men into alphas for sex and betas for provisioning at will because the whole system is designed to facilitate this now.”

Agree with this completely. And now the media is trying to promote this as acceptable too, so it’s going to get worse not better. Betas are literally signing up to be workhorse cuckolded Providers without realizing it while assholes like me cash in as the Lovers.

“Sure, maybe the loyal, faithful, beta mom who is also your exclusive HB9 slut is out there and you may find her and keep her if you just alpha up enough, but how reasonable is it to base the legal conception of marriage on this ideal and assume that men will be able to find her or else be destroyed financially and in every other respect if they fail to bet on the right woman? That’s the deal all men are getting right now,”

Agree completely again. This is why I’m working on figuring out pLTRs. Because in a pLTR I can take an overall high-quality girl who would be a good mom etc and make her my Primary, but still have the wild sexpot types on the side, and, because that was the arrangement from the start and I properly screened for a girl that was cool with that and I fully understand the psychology of making that arrangement work (ie – she has to feel like a special snowflake, the other guys have to have boundaries they don’t get to cross, discretion to avoid social pressure on my Primary etc), then I’m doing what women do: have a Primary that I trust to raise my kids and create a happy household, but also have Secondaries and randoms to fulfill my sexual needs.

Expecting one person to fulfill every need you’ll ever have in 40+ years of your life together is fucking insane, and then LEGALLY TYING yourself and half or more of your wealth, custody of your kids, lifetime alimony etc etc to that dice roll is like, there isn’t even a word for how insane a notion that is.

It’s fascinating that society has conditioned people into voluntarily (and even looking FORWARD TO) entering that system and believing fully that it’s going to work. It’s like some David Blane shit lol

“So the only rational course of action is basically to give up on having a family and children or take what is an unacceptable risk.”

This is my conclusion so far and why I’m happy being single. I think things will turn around and I think pLTRs are the key in 2015:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-114069

But there’s a ton of retarded social conditioning to unwire before anything changes that dramatically to where something like pLTRs are commonplace.


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Saw Adam Lyons’ name come up. No idea how his situ will pan out but like I say guys are trying different ideas out, looking for new solutions to “how do I raise kids with a girl without being legally married and without having to fuck the same aging wrinkling vagina (that may or may not decide to stop putting out down the road) for the rest of my life?” lol

I figure in 5-10 years we’ll have a good general set of resources for guys to pull this stuff off if it’s what they want.

Tyler has 2 kids with his baby mama and fucks all over the place including having 3-somes etc with her and her girlfriends. Here’s a good talk on the subject:

And more Tyler on the redefining the “happily ever after” Disney fantasy into something more realistic/positive (in Disneyland no less lol):

Here’s RSDTodd on multiple long-term relationships:

And RSDTodd again, same subject:

And James Marshall on it:

Tyler, myself, and a lot of other PUAs aren’t really even AGAINST “marriage” per say, if a guy FULLY UNDERSTANDS all the drawbacks to it and consequences of it and what it’ll do to his attractiveness if he doesn’t pro-actively work to prevent it etc, if that’s what a guy wants to do. It’s just that we know 99% of dudes are walking into marriage completely oblivious believing the Disney myths and getting blindsided and trapped.

If you understand all the risks and want to chance it, I mean I don’t recommend it but as long as you’re happy that’s cool with me and I legitimately hope you don’t end up just another unfortunate statistic lol

All most of us care about is if a guy is happy. Not content, not getting by, but legitimately happy with his life. If he IS, cool good for him we hope it works out long-term. If he’s not, then we’re happy to help him fix that if he’s willing to put in the work to fix it.


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@Tookwan
lol Neil is just gaming the mainstream crowd. Selling out the community so he can sell his next book on relationships that’ll be perfect feel-good confirmation for BP people like this:

“he’s been happily using this article as justification of how his Blue Pill life I. e. game is wrong…game is bad etc”

That’s literally what Neil’s interview was supposed to do…cause that exact reaction. Your buddy and feminists etc will probably buy the book just to pick out choice quotes to shove in your face lol The fact that people are buying into it just shows how good Style was running routines as a PUA in the old days…he’s saying exactly what he knows the BP crowd wants to hear.

It’ll be great for sales. Not so great for all the guys looking for help and answers though. :/

But after the Julien fiasco being a PUA isn’t real useful for selling books to a mainstream FI-based blue pill crowd lol Dude is distancing himself far as fuck from the scene and he’s one of the few guys with enough calibration to probably pull it off and have feminists love him. Dick move though…shit like that interview and his visit to the “sex addiction” place (because apparently looking at porn and masturbating while you have a partner is “sex addiction”) is why men NEED to find pickup in the first place, ’cause male sexuality is so vilified and has them all fucked up.

I’m surprised-not-surprised to see him throw everyone under the bus.


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@rollo
lol’ed hard at that Tucker image❀


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Sheathe those claws kitties, I was just talking about the joke itself lol Maybe his wife has a really low n-count and motherly qualitiesπŸ˜‰

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3og9x8/girl_asks_if_guys_would_look_past_her_60_partners/

In Hypergamous news one of my girls’ slutty Instagram pics got liked by a famous celeb who she replied with gushing over him and he replied with a little flirt back.

Girls bail on LTRs and marriages at the first sign of being unhaaaappy thinking they can get AAA celebs because social media has created a world where they literally CAN lol

This chick is 25 (and noticeably becoming more negative and jaded and complaining more compared to when she was a bubbly young hottie…still hot, but she’s on her way to being one of those bitter negative 30+yos) but even a 35+yo can Photoshop and MySpace angles her way into getting Likes from celebs.

Instagram is LITERALLY a celebrity dating system for women. It’s a way for them to advertise their bodies under the guise of it being an album chronicling their life just like Facebook (except WEIRDLY Facebook only lets their friends see their pics, no chance of landing anyone but social circle branches there…but Instagram is where EVERYONE can see them…I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that girls have switched to using Instagram instead of Facebook these days) to try to get the attention of celebs, basically a subtle monkey-branching system.

And this lol:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45437.html

Think about all this as you slip that ring on her finger and legally tie yourself and half your assets to your unicorn NAWALT that you have to keep happy and monogamous to for 40+ years.


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@SD
“What’s your close rate in terms of approaches vs F-closes?”

Zero. I’m a neckbeard virgin living in his mother’s basement.

@scribblerg @Andy
“No comparison. You are clearly wrong in your factual assertions about the sexual behavior of college students in the U.S.”

I don’t really get why everyone is shitting on Andy lol From what I’ve seen being around the college crowd they are all sucking dick left and right. Not even just the bar girls (we meet girls outside of bars or girls who don’t go to bars, and hanging with these girls they show you their texts and shit from their friends and tell you all about their sexual escapades their friends are having). Sex is no big deal to the <25yo crowd anymore. I think it's optimistic at best, delusional at worst to think that girls are coming out of college with anything less than a 10+ n-count of sexual experiences probably closer to 20+ if you include the stuff like drunken BJs and fingering and shit.

I know older guys kind of want to hope that that's just "the slutty party girls" but the culture has shifted so dramatically in the last 10 years. Like it wasn't even like this when I started out in pickup. Social media and the hardcore tripling-down of eat pray love cock-carousel encouragement CHANGED things. These girls don't even have to fuck guys in their social circles, they can fuck randoms off the Internet, the hotter ones are getting flown to places to fuck sugardaddies etc. A lot of these girls don't even view it as "slutting it up", it's just "ya we fooled around a bit" like of COURSE we did, it's not this big special "I have to wait for The One to share the magical souls intertwining experience that is sex" like a "wait till marriage" educational video they show in Sex Ed class anymore.

From what I'm seeing out in the field, Andy's assessment of college girls' n-counts isn't anything crazy. Most chicks start being sexually active around 15 with like a boyfriend, and step it up in high-school, and once they hit college they ramp it up hardcore. So you have like, 5-6 years where they're dating for parts of that and eat pray loving for other parts of that so like half the year they're in an LTR but then they break up and go on a dick sucking rampage (encouraged by their GFs and media) to revalidate themselves and rack up like 10-15 parteners over the next 6 months (that's like 2 partners a month, that's LOW if we're talking about BJs and shit counting too). Multiply that by 5-6 years and by the time a chick is coming out of college she's probably got a solid n-count of 20 BARE MINIMUM probably 50+ is more common.

It's theoretically POSSIBLE for a girl to come out of college with a 0 n-count, but she would have to resist a SHITLOAD of social conditioning and social pressure from EVERY FUCKING DIRECTION…and like, chicks don't NEED to resist social conditioning, these girls don't have anyone (strong fathers, religion, social shaming, wise mothers, media messages, etc) to tell them they shouldn't be fucking around so much and according to the FI media there will be NO CONSEQUENCES to riding the carousel, they'll still land a doctor in their 30s who doesn't judge their past just like Amy Shumer's latest movie tells them.

So why WOULD they come out of there with a 0 n-count?? Everyone else is doing this shit so they follow along like lemmings. And just like a group of fat chicks will inevitably pressure their skinny friend into getting fat like them to feel better about themselves, the chicks with 20+ n-counts want their 0 n-count friend to get laid and help facilitate and pressure it to happen.

I think the only way chicks are coming out of college with anything under like a 10 n-count lifetime total is if they're weirdly sexually repressed like they had a near rape experience and are damaged from that and scared of sex, which isn't probably a chick you want to deal with, or if they're not having P-in-V sex and are just not counting anything that isn't P-in-V (so the BJ she gave that guy while she was drunk at a party before he didn't call her back doesn't count because she didn't get to date him, the guy she let go down on her doesn't count because he couldn't get her to orgasm, the guy she blew on vacation doesn't count because he doesn't live near her, she was in a month long relationship and they just did oral for a few months so it doesn't count as n-count).

It's like Tyler says: "Ask a girl if she's a slut who hooks up a lot and she'll say no way. Then ask her if she has any FRIENDS that are like that and she'll be like "OH YA TOTALLY THOSE BITCHES ARE ALL CRAZY NOT ME THOUGH"" lol

I can see shitting on Andy's views on bailing on his marriage to chase young poon around, but his claim about chicks having high n-counts these days is nothing crazy.

The conclusion here might be "well multiple n-counts mean a girl has trouble committing". I don't entirely disagree so I would say simply don't commit in 2015. Stick to harems and shit, or run a pLTR if you want anything LTR related, and fully understand Hypergamy to increase your odds, but avoid any legal long-term commitment, no moving in together or anything, and if you want kids vet like a motherfucker and accept that she may bail on you and try to take them one day when she gets bored and follows what society has brainwashed her to follow (bail and take what she can get from you because she "deserves" it because you were "abusive and controlling").

If you're 45+ and you just want to roll the dice because you want kids and are willing to take the chance and you've vetted a quality chick and you don't care if you lose some $ in a split-up etc., I mean, give it a go. But if you're <35yo you should NOT be settling down in 2015. If you want any kind of LTR save it for 35+ or make it a pLTR.


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Good play by play of exactly how your unicorn gets fucked in a bar bathroom (starting at 3:15) and rationalizes it (like girls coming out of college with abnormally low n-counts according to them lol):

This is how it plays out infield.


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@Corsair
“but I’d add that the way I look at it is “Are you having fun?””

Therrrrre you go. Was scrolling through the comments looking for this. This is the key: self-amusement.

The Turkish guy isn’t entertaining her, he’s entertaining himself. Look at his face. The fact that she’s jizzing her short-shorts is just a bonus. That’s the difference between a dancing monkey and a self-amusing. Self-amusement is attractive, dancing monkeys are not.

A lot of the guys who spout the “PUAs are dancing monkeys” are guys who don’t know HOW to amuse themselves around women, often because they are socially conditioned into thinking they should take themselves seriously like James Bond (when really most of James Bond’s clever lines around women are him making himself mentally chuckle), or are guys who don’t feel they have permission to amuse themselves around women (ie – they think to get women they have to focus their energy on her and what she wants, not just fuck around making themselves laugh), or are guys who are outcome dependent and think “but if you don’t focus on what SHE’LL be entertained by, you might not GET her!!!! THEN WHAT LIFE IS OVER!!” or are guys who simply don’t like themselves and don’t know HOW to make themselves laugh because they’re, overall, not really enjoying life.

It all comes back to “I don’t do it because it’s cool, it’s cool because I do it.”



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“Naysayers should note that we won’t hear the times a gaming guy /PUA got assertive with a female and she shut him down with ” no commitment ,no sex. O you don’t do relationships? Kthnxbye “, but I bet it happens a lot more often then we’d think glossing over various comment sections.”

This is bullshit, sorry. There’s no need to lie to make your point. We talk about this all the fucking time. And we have routines and strategies to 1) avoid running into it in the first place, and 2) disarm it most of the time if we DO run into it (yes, even with the innocent smart good-girls guys think are unicorns, there’s tons of tactics available for that shit). It’s rare to not be able to work around it but it does happen and we do write about it and break down exactly what kind of factors lead to it happening (ie – stuff like a woman in her 30s is more likely to have that attitude than a chick in her early 20s, if you give off Provider traits she’s more likely to demand commitment than if you’re tapping into the Lover side of her brain, environmental factors and her life experiences come into play etc etc).

“As such , if you’re a typical 5’8″ guy with a typical middle class job and a typical body type and facial construction, fugediboutit. Why should a typical HB even interact with a guy like that when ten Brad Pitt copies reside in her Tinder que?”

Definitely. Remember guys, you need a suit and a 6-pack to get hot girls, here’s some infield of a new RSD instructor to prove that hot girls will run away from an a guy unless you’re a super sexy rich Don Draper CEO like this dude:

Now is this guy’s game retardedly high-energy? Yes, clearly. Is this the style of game I want to run in my mid-30s? No, of course not. There are things I don’t like about his in-field like his kino is too gropey/forced to me. But the point is 1) he’s executing game principles (qualifying them, giving them orders, leading the interaction, solid eye-contact, confidence, assuming they like him, social proof and merging sets forward, positive energy, Buying Temp spikes, teasing, kino, freedom from outcome, etc) and 2) if the “fugediboutit” guys were right girls would be running from this dude not clearly enjoying themselves.

This isn’t even amazing infield footage. I’ve seen uglier and just plain average guys running better game than this. It’s all out there to see if you just go out a lot. You will never see it if you aren’t going out regularly.

This guy has excellent internal mindsets, if you listen to his talk with Todd he brings up a lot of great points especially for the overly analytical “over-thinker” types (like myself and a lot of guys who get into pickup and feel over-thinking is a curse). This dude has solid internals and understands the externals of how to demonstrate value and lead interactions forward. So it doesn’t matter that he looks like RSD went back in time and brought back a younger fatter Tyler in a baggy t-shirt lol

My point isn’t “do high-energy game like him”, it doesn’t matter if you’re running high or low energy game as long as you’re following pickup principles. Which have all been laid out in Mystery Method and Mystery’s seminars since Day 1 for anyone to learn.

“For the Average Guys […] the LTR route is sometimes the only way forward; if they try “Alpha ” strategy she’s gone for literally bigger and better and he’s back to Square One chasing tail for months before getting another girl, who then does the same thing by embargoing sex in exchange for commitment.”

lol mental masturbation. If those guys would study proper game and ACTUALLY GO OUT and gain field experience pushing their comfort zone and trying shit they think they shouldn’t be able to get away with so they can shatter their own limiting beliefs (instead of going out and running the same game they’ve been running for years, letting their own mental success barriers about “I’m not the kind of guy who can have no-strings sex and harems and shit, girls wouldn’t chase me like that that’s OTHER guys” hold them back) they’d be able to get laid no strings attached and start seeing that all of this shit is just social conditioning.

But a lot of them spend their time writing bitter posts about how you have to be a good-looking rich CEO model in a suit to get girls to want to fuck you while they bang out 6s and 7s at best (making excuses not to approach the hottest girls in the venue), instead of going out and treating the field as an experiemental lab to push their comfort zones and actually see what happens when you regularly run proper game on smokin hotties you “shouldn’t” be able to get.


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On the subject of vetting, I figure linking my breakdown of why monogamy is broken and explaining pLTRs is relevant because you can vet all you want but EVERYTHING IN SOCIETY in 2015 is working against even a heavily vetted girl staying attracted to you in a traditional monogamous LTR (ESPECIALLY a legal one) where you’re voluntarily giving up the ability to make her value you (I break it all down in this comment):

http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/8/#comment-rationalmale-114069

That said, I’m not anti-relationship, I’m just anti traditional relationship. A guy getting legally married in 2015 is either severely uninformed/misinformed or clinically insane.

But getting together with a girl for a long period of time and having a kid etc? Ya sure, go for it. I even think that could be HEALTHY for a lot of guys esp in an pLTR setup where the guy can have a chick or two on the side.

But just do it with a full understanding of how shit like Hypergamy works and why making a legal/mono commitment is handicapping your chances of success and why girls THESE DAYS are not the same as girls from 10-20+ years ago, and why if you DO get legally married because you like gambling you better make damn sure you have a killer career like working with bottle service models that runs dread game for you and why your career as an accountant or IT tech is going to fuck you over if you get legally married or enter a monogamous LTR, in 2015.

And like benfromtexas says “I think tech also affects women. I’ve noticed the past 10 years the cellular age has changed women.”

I break that down in my pLTR comment too. It absolutely does affect them. Shit has changed in 2015. Let go of old traditions and belief systems, adapt to the reality in front of us, or end up just another sad statistic.

I’m mid-30s and out at the kiddie nightclubs all the time still. You can see all this shit when you mack on these girls. I started gaming before social media existed, before Facebook, before people even used texting. Shit was DIFFERENT then and the girls had the same hard-wiring but much different social/technological/feminism external influences.

Shit is off the rails now, the feels are running free and wild, and if you aren’t out there macking the <25yo crowd regularly and still think you're going to find a <40yo low n-count chick in 2015 that you can get legally married to or run a traditional monogamous LTR with and have it last for 40 years without her straying, you're a fucking dreamer lol

If you're just starting out, learn to run plates. Once you can run plates, start experimenting with OPENLY running them (so the girls know you're banging other girls). Once you can openly run them, start experimenting with pLTRs (making one plate your Primary GF and other plates Secondary to her) and learn the nuances of how to make that dynamic work (again read my comment I linked). Run a few pLTRs and you're FAR better equipped to make an LTR work in 2015 than attempting traditional monogamy and legal marriage.

It's like a war that had rules to keep shit from getting too fucked up, but one side has decided to toss the rules out and the other side is still clinging to them and getting slaughtered out of some retarded sense of "honor" or fear of having their Disney dreams of marrying a unicorn shattered.

Men need to take their heads out of the sand and adapt to the way society has shifted if they want to survive.

But they won't listen, of course. No one ever does, they need to get burned, often more than once, before they finally accept AWALT.


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on October 11th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
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@Sun Wukong
“I’m not saying I’m going MGTOW yet, but it looks more appealing each time the results are an evening I really didn’t enjoy and a blow out. I’m trying different parts of town with different friends and getting the same results.”

Link some of your Field Reports in this comment thread and tag my name (I’m busy working these days so I’m just dropping in randomly here and there right now but I’ll come back to this thread) and I’ll look for sticking points and shit you can tweak in them.

A BIG part of why I got good fast was that the old community was HUGE on Field Reports. It was a beautiful environment to learn in with tons of quality advice and technical breakdowns etc. Now a lot of Field Reports just have guys with weak game shouting “BRO JUST DON’T OVERTHINK IT ALL THOSE GIRLS WANNA FUCK MAN JUST BE COOL” or giving bad advice because they haven’t actually studied much or had much experience and are just caught up in newbie excitement of wanting to seem “pro”.

Personally I don’t hate on MGTOWs. They’ve at least made a conscious decision and chosen a path in life, that’s better than the guy who ends up married to a fat 4/10 who doesn’t put out and cheats on him because he was pressured into marrying her and let society and other people dictate his path and values in life.

At the same time I think a lot of them could learn game if they wanted to and it would make dealing with women a lot less negative but they would need a teacher who fully understands their mindset of “girls just don’t seem worth the trouble” and who understands what that trouble is etc. Like PUA doesn’t focus on men’s rights or anything so it’s hard for a PUA instructor to understand that that MGTOW is viewing women as selfish entitled divorce-machines etc so the PUA isn’t going to be able to relate to the MGTOW to teach him game and the MGTOW isn’t going to listen to the PUA because the PUA doesn’t understand the basics of why the MGTOW is a MGTOW in the first place.

In an ideal world there would be a PUA/MGTOW combo resource that addresses the key issues MGTOWs have with women and show how PUA can be used to work around or avoid those issues with as little effort as possible without huge investments of chasing tail.

It’s funny because if MGTOWs and PUAs would ACTUALLY study what each group is teaching instead of proclaiming judgements based on stereotypes or bad experiences, they would find that they actually have a lot of very similar goals and mindsets that overlap…both groups have an ideal outcome of “my life and my happiness is my primary focus and a woman who’s too much trouble doesn’t get to be a part of that” And the MGTOWs who DO date treat them exactly like I treat them: “you can be in my life if you follow my rules, if you don’t want to follow them then you can go, I’m cool either way because my happiness comes first”. PUA would give them the tools to efficiently learn how to establish, set, and enforce those boundaries and how to set the frame with women properly so that more women accept those boundaries and WILL come fuck them on their terms so they can still be MGTOW but also get laid by girls that are attracted to them instead of hookers etc.

But everyone wants to just paint the other side with a negative brush. Like the RVF shitting on MGTOWs (“they’re all virgin loser omegas”), MGTOWs shitting on PUAs (“they’re all pussy-worshippers who supplicate for validation”), and all sides hating on MRAs (“bunch of whining complainers who can’t get laid!!”) while MRAs hate on all sides (“they’re all pussy-worshippers or manipulative!!”), etc etc etc

It’s retarded when you actually study each of the communities. There is SO much overlap between all these different spheres where we could narrow down AMAZING systems for younger men to learn from, if guys could just take their heads out of their asses to have a rational discussion lol


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on October 11th, 2015 at 11:33 pm
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Also I meant to mention: game is supposed to be FUN lol So like, if you aren’t having fun, that’s where it’s like ok let’s look at your FRs and see if we can figure out where shit’s going off the rails because you’ll have a lot more fun if you’re actually getting success.

It could be something technical you’re doing wrong, which should be a pretty clear pattern that stands out if you do up a handful of Field Reports over a period of time.

Or it could be as simple as changing your mindsets (skip to 1:45, but the very start is funny when he jokes about how he KNOWS he comes off a little weird to people and it’s because he started out so fucked up):

This is a really good internal mindset video. Even I struggle with this at times and have to consciously remind myself “celebrate every little success”. Even TAKING ACTION is success to me and ya it doesn’t mean I got my dick wet but if you and I both approach girls and we both get shot down, I come back feeling GOOD and thinking “that was awesome, I can’t believe I went over to that girl, who else would have the balls to do that?? Sure she didn’t like me but whatever, that was amazing” so I’m looking FORWARD to my next approach and I roll into my next set feeling GREAT…whereas most guys will come back from being shot down feeling like shit and thinking negative thought loops and angry/frustrated that the girl didn’t like them, so how are they going to go into their next set? They feel like SHIT, and probably just want to go HOME, and if they DO roll into the next set they’re coming in with shitty energy because they’re beating themselves up for not getting that first girl.

Like, that’s literally all internal mindset stuff. The gym won’t fix it, being CEO won’t fix it, if anything looking REALLY good-looking will make it WORSE because on top of beating yourself up for not succeeding you have every attribute that society tells you should make it a cakewalk for you to succeed and you’re STILL failing so wow you must be the biggest loser in the WORLD if you still can’t get laid when you have a 6-pack and muscles and a BMW and amazing high-value career…at least that loser with the beer belly and no money is EXPECTED to not succeed lol

But you can fix that kind of thing with internal mindset work. Everyone has to do it. I love the game but it’s because I work on my mindsets to help me love it. The reality is I’m mid-30s and hitting up a bar full of <25yos is harder now than it was at 25, I have less energy and can't handle drinking and have less money to blow right now while I focus on my career etc. It would be SO EASY to let myself fall into negative mindsets and DREAD going out.

But that'll lead to me just not going out anymore, and then being dissatisfied and frustrated, and who the fuck knows where THAT'LL lead but it won't be pretty.

So I purposely focus on positive mindsets and make an effort to celebrate every little victory and use that momentum toward my next sets etc. Like the other night my buddy and I ran a 5-set with them and us all stone cold sober, the only guys in the room to even TRY hitting on the girls because the other guys were drinking their liquid courage working up the nerve to give it a go. It went decent and I got a solid number out of it (my buddy dropped the ball and forgot to #-close his girl lol he's working on feeling entitled enough to go for the number, he told himself she couldn't actually be as into him as she was, I was actually only in the set because his girl was so into him that I was like "fuck I'm going to be standing here like a retard if I don't just open the other girls in this set") but when we left I didn't celebrate "I'm gonna get laid!!", I don't even care if the girl flakes on our day2 ('cause I'll have met more girls by then anyway), we celebrated that we even OPENED those girls and pushed our comfort zone and opened sober when all the other guys were scared to open. To us that was EPIC and it was bro-fists all around over how awesome we are, so when we went to the next venue we rode that good energy in and just walked right into a set as soon as we got in there.

But if we had focused on how my buddy didn't get the number or how I just got a number and it was a waste of time because we didn't get laid etc etc we would be rolling into that next venue feeling like shit and it would come through when we approach the next girls. You can't control the outcome, so it doesn't make sense to beat yourself up if they don't react well, who knows what's going on in that chick's head that night…but you CAN control whether or not you approach and whether or not you run proper structured game and try new things out and work on your sticking points etc.

That all said, results and success are also important because I know what I just said is like when a guy with millions of dollars says "bro just treat yourself to a vacation in Hawaii if you need to relax" to a guy who's living month to month financially lol

Like "ya sure thing asshole, I'd LOVE to be positive about opening except my dick hasn't been touched in 3 years and my last 10 nights out have been literally nothing but blowouts so i think it's understandable that I'm a little fuckin frustrated."

And that's true…results ARE important. But that's what posting Field Reports to figure out what's going wrong in your game is for. ;)

Safe space here, no one will judge you for "got blown out all night" reports lol We all want you to succeed and we all know the learning process can be ugly 'cause we all went through it. I can guarantee that whatever your shittiest night is, I had at least a dozen of the same or worse nights myself when I was starting out lol This is why I stress that your group talk with other guys trying to do this stuff is important…no one in our day to day lives really gives a shit about our success, they're caught up in their own lives or can't relate to us and our goals. Support from like-minded guys on similar paths is important. Even on my shittiest night I know I can vent to my wingman and he'll sympathize with me and lol about it and maybe spot some mistakes I didn't notice and give me props for the good things that I did (like taking action).

And keep your FR's anonymous, like I say we don't need to know what city you're in, what the name of venues are or even what type of venue it is, we don't need girls names or detailed descriptions of what they look like, or detailed descriptions of you, or your job you were just coming from before the bar, or any of that (I actually skip past that stuff when I look at guys FRs). All that's important is the actual interactions and a step by step breakdown of what you're doing when you walk into the venue and approaching and between sets etc. like the actual meat of the night.

Also that reminds me I owe a dude an FR breakdown, so if he's reading this sorry I am gay but I will eventually get to it before I die lol


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“Simple fact is I’ve got a couple bad wingmen that I’m ditching and I can’t seem to find a good one.”

Hardest thing in the goddamn world. People think I’m exaggerating when I say a good wingman is worth a thousand women, until they go out and try to find a good one. Most guys are SHIT…even if they have decent game they have a bunch of other baggage/issues or are selfish/vultures/negative etc etc. It is DAMN hard to find a good wing. I’ve had like, 2 in however long I’ve been doing this.

I’ve had guys who will GO OUT and I’ve had to just accept that that’s the best I can ask for, ’cause actual legit solid winging is so rare that I might as well just grab a random dude and introduce him to a girl and cross my fingers that he can distract her long enough for me to go for the friend.

A lot of nights out I’m out with a buddy or three, but I’m actually “solo” because they aren’t going to step up or don’t have game so they chill while I go do a lap and approach shit lol But I at least have the crutch of having a “home base” for comfort when the AA kicks in. Same time that builds bad habits like feeling AA without a home base and needing people to go out with me instead of being able to go out solo etc. lol

I find when I’m with guys like that, the crowded stand-up venues are best, even nightclubs (if you live in a major city there’s probably an older crowd nightclub if you’re an old dude, can’t remember if you’re one of the 50+ guys here lol), because at least we’re standing and mobile and I can walk up to the bar for a drink/water where I can open girls or they can stand by me etc, instead of sitting at a table with a pitcher of beer and a tab with the waitress who brings everything to us so we don’t have to through the torture of walking through a crowd of hot girls we can open and bang (lol).

I go to crowded stand-up venues when I’m solo too, because I feel more anonymous and can get lost in the crowd if I get blown out etc lol

Solo cold approach is like, THE toughest challenge in the fucking world. If you can push through it and get used to it it’s amazing, but like, guys who’ve been to war and guys who are CEOs and shit will run off bootcamp when they have to cold approach a hot girl lol

Also there are ways to make solo feel less solo, like building social proof and talking to random dudes to make single-serving friends for the night that make you feel less solo and merging sets forward (classic MM), and steps to take (like opening ANYTHING as soon as you enter the venue to establish that rhythm VS entering and going to the bathroom, getting a drink, “scoping out the place” etc before opening anything), that can make it easier.

“Going solo on night game when you’re starting out is pretty much begging for frustration I’ve found, especially in a sausagefest like DFW.”

There any way to relocate somewhere near a university/college? Could be worth the effort. Part of why I prefer nightgame over daygame is I don’t have to walk around for 20 min to find a hot girl lol

“Just gonna make a shot at swapping to day game for now since I can run solo.”

Not a bad idea at all. Give it a go and see if you like it. Some quick advice on it:

A lot of the difficulty in daygame is that we don’t give ourselves permission to be unstifled and expressive during the day because we worry people will overhear us or see us or it’s not “appropriate” to cross “socially acceptable” boundaries in the daytime VS a “night venue full of sluts who are DTF” (meanwhile tons of girls are DTF during the day, it’s not like their horniness just turns on once the sun goes down on Fri/Sat nights, same way dudes don’t just fap on Fri/Sat past 9pm lol).

And building social momentum in the day is harder if you don’t have a place with a lot of people gathered where you can bounce from person to person and build momentum as you get your brain unstifled and teach it that you won’t get killed by another caveman with a rock for talking to girls you don’t know (or even PEOPLE you don’t know in GENERAL). If you have access to a place with a ton of girls walking around, you can build momentum easier. This is why most daygame infield footage isn’t on some quiet suburban street or half-dead mall, it’s in the middle of huge tourist/population locations like Leicaster Square or at festivals etc.

A good middle ground is street game at night…head out during bar hours but don’t actually go into bars, just open girls on the street or girls smoking outside the bars, or girls on a patio over the railing, go line up for a bar behind hot girls and open them and just leave to another lineup if it doesn’t go well or come back to that lineup in 10 min to try with new girls lol You can say you’re meeting up with buddies later and came out too early, or that you were out with a buddy and he had to go home early but you decided to stay out, etc. Approach girls walking to/between bars and open and stack some good routines so they’re giggling and then tell them your friend bailed on you early and ask where’s good that night and sometimes they’ll even invite you to come with them to wherever they’re headed, and if they don’t, practice some routines and group theory until they run off and congratulate yourself for opening them at all and then roll into the next girls or joke around with some dudes about how girls just shot you down etc etc

Also watch tons of daygame infield footage on YouTube the day you’re going out to sarge (watch Keys to the VIP episodes all day or while pre-gaming if you’re doing nightgame). Feed your brain with videos that teach your brain that “it’s NORMAL to talk to girls, it’s FINE, it’s NOT A BIG DEAL, these guys are all doing it so YOU can do it”. A lot of guys don’t feed themselves good information, they work all day in a cubicle in silence then hang out with guys or people who don’t cold approach strangers and then they go out and are like “gee why do I have so much AA??” And it’s like because cold approach is something SCARY and UNUSUAL to your brain! Think of small towns, and how friendly everyone is there where they all shoot the shit with eachother…it’s because they’re all doing it so they’ve all normalized being friendly with strangers because they talk to the store clerk for 10 minutes and say hello as they pass eachother on the street etc. VS a big city where everyone is in their own bubble and won’t even make eye-contact with eachother…which city fosters the mindset of “it’s normal to cold approach strangers”, you know? But small towns are shit for finding girls so like, stick to a big city lol My point is about normalization of behavior.

Hell check out Krauser’s Daygame book and Roosh’s Bang. I’ve talked smack about both of their styles of game (and I stand by my assertion that the style of game Krauser runs requires him to worry about his looks and that it should be acknowledged that this can cause problems for guys long-term instead of being a taboo subject like I’m an asshole for bringing it up, but as long as you’re aware that it can create a reliance on a crutch that’s fine ’cause you can remove that crutch later…my main issue is with not acknowledging the crutch as a crutch lol) but like, look anywhere for information that’ll help you. Never know when one sentence out of 10,000 pages of text resonates with you and connects some puzzle piece for you whether you use the other 9,999 pages of information. When I get older I’ll probably do more daygame and I’m sure I’ll be combing every page of Krauser and Roosh’s work for any little sentence that will help me gain that 0.0001% edge out there (without being a crutch).

Check out BradP’s social freedom exercises, no idea if they’ll help or make your own variations of them that fit your personality, the concept of babystepping your way to being unstifled and comfortable expressing yourself in public is solid whether you do his exact exercises or not. RSDTodd has some good daygame stuff like:

He’s pretty low-energy/boring dude so his game is technically sound, he follow proper concepts of building attraction/comfort/etc. He has a product out now but I don’t know anything about it and with all his free content about the subject up I can’t imagine a reason to buy his product lol This long vid is probably all the same shit that’s in his product. Have routines and default openers to fall on when you have AA, you can worry about winging it later, at first you’ll have to fight your brain for control.

“TL;DR: Friday I decided to give your suggestion of pushing the asshole game hard a shot, wound up getting a half full beer bottle hurled at me.”

Not picking on you but this is an example of what I mean when I say post Field Reports. Like this is a funny anecdote, but like, it’s kind of useless and just makes other guys (and yourself) not want to try pushing their comfort zones in the future. But if you actually wrote out how that interaction went guys like me can go “oh man, this is the point where you miscalibrated it, what you could’ve done instead is this and that would’ve caused this effect” so that you can learn and might learn to successfully add a little asshole game to your style or maybe determine that it’s not for you but from a place of UNDERSTANDING and knowledge…but instead it’s like “well no more of that asshole game stuff! I’m off to do daygame or go MGTOW instead, I don’t want more bottles thrown at me!”

Even when you do daygame, post FRs. They’re important for figuring out where your game is off and what needs tweaking.

It’s entirely possible to pull lays from daygame but like I said before about celebrating small victories, don’t make that your goal. Make your goal just opening at first and celebrate that shit. Go for solid numbers (read up on how to make numbers solid, qualifying her and shit) and day2s.

Really the easiest way to get laid is social circle game, but that can require a lot of time/energy investment because you have to build that up and maintain those relationships etc, and the second easiest way to get laid that you can do solo without building social circles is cold approach daygame number closes leading to day2s at a bar near your apartment that you just escalate on.

Part of why I focus so much on nightgame and nightclubs right now is because I know there’ll be a point in a few years where I don’t want to go to those venues anymore or feel too out of place at those venues or don’t want to be around drunk people etc, so I’m embracing it while I still love it lol


The Vetting Process

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YaReally
on October 12th, 2015 at 3:55 am
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Perfect, that’s what I was looking for.

“then decided to get greedy and go after the chick I was working.”

This is most guys, unfortunately. It comes from scarcity usually (though with Naturals who get laid a lot it can just be force of habit). Another dynamic that can be going on if your buddy is good-looking or super cocky is they see the girl reacting well to you so they think “well if HE can get her attracted then I must be able to ’cause I’m better than him”. This is why a lot of AMOGs come try to take my girls lol ’cause they think the girls must be easy/friendly if they’re so friendly to me, and then they’re like wtf when the girl isn’t into them and I cut them out of the interaction and they have to walk off blown out and confused…it sucks when it’s your own wingman doing that.

That shouldn’t BE how it is, like guys SHOULD be working together. Hell I’ll wing random dudes I see in-field, esp if I’m out solo I’ll just chat a guy up who looks solo (usually some dude from out of town or who just moved here) and throw girls at him. I don’t actually expect him to be able to wing me or to pull that girl, but like, I’ll try to help him out if I can…it’s better than standing there getting inside my head with AA.

A big part of why PUA progressed so fast is that we were all working together for a common goal, not competing. The power of men combining their efforts toward a single goal is fucking incredible.

I find a lot of the TRP/Manosphere version of pickup heavily emphasizes the whole brotherhood support thing, but fails on the taking action part lol So you get a bunch of dudes in suits going out to talk about how enlightened they are over drinks and a couple of them try an approach here and there but it’s all uncoordinated and retarded and half of them are trying to be James Bond too hard to actually go approach and risk tainting their “good with girls” image in front of the other guys because everyone is putting on fronts trying to impress eachother and be the top 1% of men…meanwhile half of them don’t even get into set or can’t hold a set and get blown out and like 1 guy out of “20 of the top 1% of men” actually gets laid that night. A lot of cool guys having a big ol’ circlejerk and then ranting to eachother about how shitty women are these days and talking about some 5 they banged for a laugh (but will be texting when they’re drunk at last call that night when they don’t pick up because they were too busy sucking eachother’s dicks over how high-value they are and relying on passive game (wearing a suit etc) to hopefully attract women and taking what they can get from the girls who give them iois instead of going for the hottest girls they want).

PUA was kind of the opposite, it was a bunch of ragtag misfit losers who KNEW they were all ragtag misfit losers, so there was no fronting that they were the top 1% of men, they just had these tactics and techniques that made girls not notice their misfit loserness, and they went out with 100% intention to execute their tactics and techniques and run proper wingman theory for eachother etc. Eventually that evolved to where we focus on internal game and everything to try to fix that ragtag misfit loserness, but like, in the early era of PUA the knowledge progressed lightning fast because guys worked together.

My current wing and I have signals for “I’m not interested in my girl, you can go for her if you want” and “I hate my girl I want to bail on this set” and “I like my girl please stay in set and babysit so I can close this, I’ll buy you a beer if your girl is a monster” lol (we use names, so if I ask “did Joe txt you?” that means I don’t like my girl, if he says “No but Jessica did” that means please stay in set etc). So if we both give the “I’m not interested in my girl” signal we full out switch. And sometimes I’ll give the “I hate my girl” but he’ll give the “I like mine please stay in set” signal and I’ll just go into totally non-offensive friendly social mode and kill time with the rest of the set and try to get him isolation with his girl and build him up to her friends so they approve of him and their friend being together etc. We also have a signal for “I’ve found out information about your girl that makes your set a waste of time” because sometimes the friend will tell me her friend is married when the married one didn’t tell my buddy, and we have a varying degree one for “your girl has a boyfriend” that can vary from “just so you know, she has a boyfriend, but do with that information what you want, if you think it’s not an obstacle go for it” to “HOLY SHIT OUR GIRLS BOYFRIENDS ARE IN THE BAR ABORT ABORT!!!” lol

With strategies like that, we are out there playing chess while other guys are playing checkers.

It’s funny because in an ideal world you could just TELL your buddy “look, this is the way we should be doing this” and come up with some signals and go out and tear shit up together. But in reality most guys are creatures of habit and will just revert to trying to vulture your girls. And you’ll present something like this to them and they’ll look at you like you’re a fucking sociopath robot wanting to go out there with code words and shit lol But PUAs were like “eh fuck it we’re all weirdos, so let’s focus on that weirdo shit tactically”.

Now for your FR. Keep in mind that I know you probably won’t run into this exact situation again. But it’s important to play through “what COULD I have done in that situation?” for learning purposes and because you (or guys reading this) WILL run into some of the same components of the situation again (ie – you will probably have to game a seated group of women again, you will probably have a girl who hates you again, etc). So here we go:

First let’s get the fuckup out of the way:

“Even when the chick who had been flaunting that she was the bar owner’s wife kept getting more drunk and more emotional at everyone, I just kept laughing at her.”

Obviously this is where you went wrong. You know that. I don’t have to tell you that. In the moment it probably wasn’t obvious (my guess is your brain, aside from just genuinely thinking the girl’s actions were funny/retarded, was also slightly thinking “the girl I want responds to me being an asshole and doesn’t even like this bitch, so I’m going to keep being congruent to being an asshole and laugh at her…if I try to keep the peace and smooth things over I’ll have to act “nice” and then my target will lose attraction for me”), but looking back like, duh, if you don’t have group approval (even the crazy bitches in the group) you’re in for a rough time…sure your target is attracted but what good does that do you when you’re at home on pornhub looking up girls who look like her later that night lol

Sure the TRP guys will go “whatever man it’s about principles that entitled bitch bla bla take a stand against bad female behavior that’s why western civilization bla bla” and ya that’s all super sign me up for your “women plz behave better” change dot org petition guys…end of the night you’re still on pornhub and thinking “fuck the game this isn’t fun” and considering going MGTOW.

Call a bitchy friend of your target out on her shitty behavior when you have a few plates spinning so your dick is getting sucked lol If you don’t have sex lined up, play it safe and get that handled before you decide to play with fire.

Gotta find a way to befriend that chick even though she’s being retarded, and if that means putting on a “nice guy” act or talking more to calm the situation down (you don’t have to supplicate but you can go into a chill “woah, relax girl, we’re all having fun here tonight. Maybe we got off on the wrong foot, I can be a bit of an asshole when I drink, that’s probably my bad. Shit, I just realized I’m LITERALLY the reason groups of girls come out to the bar to drink and complain about how much men suck lol You’ll all be here next week like “remember that asshole from last week, what a dick. Sorry I overcompensate because of my tiny dick, it’s like a wet baby carrot” etc etc lol”) and interact with her and/or the other girls for a bit to handle things, then do that. You’ll gain points as the social leader who keeps the group peace (’cause her friends probably don’t want their night ruined with drama) and you can always whisper to your target “I’m just being nice…I fucking hate your friend and I know you do too lol”

Or you can go the complete opposite route like Patrice:

…but I don’t recommend it. I hate to even link that incase it gives guys ideas, but it’s fucking hilarious and shows a lot of VERY interesting dynamics (note how he’s nailing what the other girls are thinking (and they’re attracted) and he acknowledges being an asshole and then starts a charming apology (which just wins them over even more, the reformed badboy in action) and how Patrice is perfect at charming the whole group etc etc).

But don’t fucking try this…I’m linking it for the knowledge of what can be done, not as an example of what you should’ve done. Patrice has an INSANELY strong frame so he can do this and calibrate it like a motherfucker. The average guy learning game and just experimenting with being an asshole can’t do this, this’ll get you banned from the bar and shit if you try it without having Patrice’s overall frame.

ALSO notice how one of the other guys takes the girls’ side against Patrice while the girls are there, and when the girls finally leave (around 19 min in) he’s like “dude that was AWESOME”…he KNOWS that he has to play peacekeeper to keep shit on track. That’s what I’m talking about, there are times where for the good of the ultimate goal you have to calibrate to the situation and smooth things over (ideally your wingman helps with this, my buddy will often say “sorry my buddy is an asshole when he drinks” and hit me in the arm and say “apologize you dumbass” and I’ll be like “fuck ok my bad, I’m just mad ’cause my team lost the game (or whatever) today :(” and we just keep going and I go back to being an asshole but I’ve shown some calibration so now they don’t mind it.

Anyway, so fuck it that’s not even the important part of this FR. That’s just the fuck-up and like, I’m sure you already know that could’ve been handled better.

So let’s get into the important meat we can learn from:

“complaining that I was like the asshole boyfriends she’d always had as we talked”

Solid. Everything with this girl sounds like it was perfect, you nailed her blueprint perfectly. If you could isolate her from her group you’d probably have no problem banging her. Ideally your goal is to GET her isolated, and your wingman’s job is to HELP you get her isolated. The longer it takes to get into isolation where the game is on track to your goals, the longer you’re stuck dealing with obstacles and potential issues that can fuck everything up. And even if you DON’T run into any real issues, her being in front of her whole table is still a nightmare of ASD in terms of grabbing a number let alone any kind of escalation to Same Night Lay her. So your goal before even going over to sit down should be to get her away from that table so you can isolate her and run your asshole game that SHE loves unobstructed.

So let’s explore isolation ideas for a second. It sounds like you’re all sitting at a table…I’m going to assume as the hottest one she probably sat in a difficult spot (like between her friends) VS leaving you a nice wide open seat beside her to sit down in. Two logical options: either you and the girl leave the table and go or meet somewhere, or you and the girl stay at the table and all the other people go somewhere. Also texting is actually isolation too these days, so if you can get her number you have a direct line of private communication with her and you two can be sending texts right in front of her group and they’ll have no idea if you’re subtle about it…so if you’re stuck in that set for a while, getting her number is a GREAT asset.

How can you make the other people leave? It’s tough, so tough that I wouldn’t bother trying. It can happen randomly of their own accord and those are important windows to notice, like I was making eyes with a girl last week and she was sitting with her friends all around her, but at some point her friends went for a smoke/bathroom/etc. and she stayed to watch the drinks (but in reality she was probably staying and hoping our eye-contact meant I would come approach her now that there’s an empty seat beside her). I could sit at any of the seats but I pick the one right beside her because I know that’ll be optimal, and I know the friends will come back so I’m already mentally prepared to apologize for stealing their seat and compliment my target to them so they think I’m all charming and shit and let me keep sitting there and, because they like me, may even help me isolate her again in the future (ie – go for another smoke break and leave us alone). Your wing could attempt something…in a standing venue when I was rolling in more high-end social circles where the guys have money, a common move was my wing to lure the girls away to the bar for a free shot and then I just pull mine’s wrist as she starts to follow (thinking we’re all going there) and say “No hold up, come here…” and pull her in and just keep gaming and pushing shit forward (ie – I have isolation so now I can number close without triggering ASD since her friends aren’t watching and/or physically escalate like pull her in and put her arms on me and kiss her etc then resume being “normal” when her friends come back so they don’t think she’s a slut but she knows we’re going to fuck at some point). The right song coming on can help like they run off to dance but if they’re young they’ll all drag the girl away with ADD hyper girl energy lol So relying on this isn’t a great option.

So that means we need ways to create isolation where her and you are away from the table. Note that isolation doesn’t have to be fully in a different room from the others, you just have to be (or need her to think you are) far enough away or having a quiet enough private conversation that her friends can’t hear what she’s saying, and/or IDEALLY have you two be out of line of sight of her friends but it’s often enough to just make sure her friends are out of HER line of sight…if she can’t see them in her “cone of vision”, they no longer exist to her ASD (chick-brain shit) even if they’re ACTUALLY standing right behind her watching her lol The problem with the latter version is the friends may throw a fuss if you escalate on her even tho SHE feels like she’s in isolation so you can’t do as much with it (usually it’s good for number-closing and maaaaaaybe a quick romantic kiss on the lips if you can get her to lean into you for it so you don’t look like a groper, or if you’ve won the friends over so they’re cool with it and are happy for her getting kissed). Whereas if you can get full isolation where she can’t see them and they can’t see her, you can pretty much fuck her lol Pretty much all of my escalation happens in isolation even if it’s momentary: ie – we’re walking as a group and I just hold her hand and drag behind so we lag behind them and then pull her hand to turn her around to face me and say “hold up, I’ve been wanting to do this all night…” and kiss her quick then end the kiss first and keep walking before the friends turn around and see. Same with if my buddy and I are pulling a 2-set, on the walk home I’ll lag behind on staircases or pull her around a corner or into a doorway alcove for a quick kiss then act like nothing happened…often if the friend catches us she doesn’t even care, a lot of it is just the adventure of it but the point is isolation helps prevent ASD from fucking with you.

So with this chick in your FR, the longer you sit at this table the more chance you have of getting fucked over (as you found out lol). Options for getting her away from the table with you (and remember she’s ATTRACTED to you so she WANTS to get away from the table with you, so she’s going to HELP you…if you try this BEFORE you have “A2” (Female to Male interest), it won’t work, but you had solid A2 so she’s on your side):

– lock eyes with her and say “I need a smoke” to the group while still looking at her. If she smokes she’ll leap at the chance and go “oh me too!!” and you don’t bother asking the rest of the group, you could even tease her like as you’re looking her in the eyes say “oh god, I thought I could get away from your yapping but I guess you’re my stalker tonight” across the table to sort of disarm the friends and make her giggle and make them go “ok whatever let them go have a smoke”. If someone else comes to join you then you’re still stuck with a potential obstacle but at least it’s just one or two instead of the entire table. Also if she DOESN’T say “oh me too!!” you just let the comment drop and keep gaming because you said “I need a smoke” not “I’m going to go have a smoke”, so you’re just like someone saying “I’m hungry”, it doesn’t mean you’re going to eat right that second, you’re just thinking out loud…then ideally you keep DHV’ing (A1) to the table and looping from A1 – A3 with her (“bait hook reel release”, qualify, tease/neg, etc) until she’s giving more A2 and then you drop the smoke line again when she’s more attracted and will get with the program. Bonus points if you don’t actually smoke lol

– offer a round of drinks/shots and tell your target to make herself useful and come help you carry them, so you can get her over to the bar away from the group so she’s isolated (make sure you stand so that her back is facing her friends so they no longer exist to her). In your asshole situ tell her something like “your friends hate me and are going to drag you away. What’s your number?” and pull your phone out using her body to block the sight of it from her friends. Nice subtle number close that you can go back to the table and text her stuff like “your friend is a bitch” and “if they weren’t here I would bend you over this table bla bla” with her friends having no idea you two are escalating. If you have the money go ahead