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Waffles
on July 30, 2014 at 2:24 pm
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I like how they note that the man servant can also serve as a bodyguard. Because, no.


  • YaReally
    on July 31, 2014 at 3:25 am
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    So many lolz in this that I don’t even know where to begin.

    The funniest part to me about that is that who do they think these beta guys are going to bodyguard them from? The attractive alpha assholes who are cocky enough to actually approach them (in the fantasy land where these women are actually young and hot and not the reality where it’s Lindy West lol). “That man is crude, and a jerk! Don’t worry, I scared him off for this super Nice Guy who seems shy and nervous and asked me to introduce him because he’s too scared to say hi himself! By the way, you owe me $500 for this service. Why do you look angry?? You said you like Nice Guys!!”

    Shit is about to get funny as the cat lady generation starts to realize that nobody’s interested in chasing them and they have a stockpile of money. Check out the Great Happiness Space documentary for how that turns out…the guys don’t even put out, they just give the girls attention, emotions, dominance, etc. and the chicks pay them for it. There’s going to be a lot of that in the future.

    Then some young chicks will figure out “you know, maybe if I learn to cook and clean and take care of a household and look to marry by the time I’m 25, that’s a better route than what my cat lady spinster childless husbandless feminist Aunt has told me to do, ignoring men and eating fast food so I can dedicate my 20s to building a career I’m going to drop as soon as I get preggers.” and figure out that they can get an edge in the marketplace by trying to be worth a guy making a long-term commitment to, and then boom we’re back in the 1940s lol

    That’s my prediction anyway. In the meantime I gotta’ hit the cougar bars and find someone to buy me pretty things. lol



The End Game Of The Matriarchy

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Waffles
on July 30, 2014 at 2:24 pm
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I like how they note that the man servant can also serve as a bodyguard. Because, no.


  • YaReally
    on July 31, 2014 at 3:25 am
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    So many lolz in this that I don’t even know where to begin.

    The funniest part to me about that is that who do they think these beta guys are going to bodyguard them from? The attractive alpha assholes who are cocky enough to actually approach them (in the fantasy land where these women are actually young and hot and not the reality where it’s Lindy West lol). “That man is crude, and a jerk! Don’t worry, I scared him off for this super Nice Guy who seems shy and nervous and asked me to introduce him because he’s too scared to say hi himself! By the way, you owe me $500 for this service. Why do you look angry?? You said you like Nice Guys!!”

    Shit is about to get funny as the cat lady generation starts to realize that nobody’s interested in chasing them and they have a stockpile of money. Check out the Great Happiness Space documentary for how that turns out…the guys don’t even put out, they just give the girls attention, emotions, dominance, etc. and the chicks pay them for it. There’s going to be a lot of that in the future.

    Then some young chicks will figure out “you know, maybe if I learn to cook and clean and take care of a household and look to marry by the time I’m 25, that’s a better route than what my cat lady spinster childless husbandless feminist Aunt has told me to do, ignoring men and eating fast food so I can dedicate my 20s to building a career I’m going to drop as soon as I get preggers.” and figure out that they can get an edge in the marketplace by trying to be worth a guy making a long-term commitment to, and then boom we’re back in the 1940s lol

    That’s my prediction anyway. In the meantime I gotta’ hit the cougar bars and find someone to buy me pretty things. lol



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Hunter
on July 28, 2014 at 10:30 pm
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Weekend FR–

Lots of insight from the weekend. Doing much better :) Still FAR from where I want to be, but getting there.

Friday:

We head out to the first club of the night and I’m stifled again. My wings are already in set with girls. I’m just like shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. I could easily join the group GingerWing is in (six chicks), but I keep thinking I’ll ruin it for him with my early game weirdness. So I decide to wander for a bit… approach one older lady, she’s weirded out… I’m like, yay first approach… then I tell Ya’s story to this drunk dude… it goes okay.

I keep talking to him about approaching girls, I end up not doing it. I stay and chat with this dude. Then I decide to get one of these other dudes to help me approach. I approach second set, goes nowhere. I approach girl dancing in another group, it goes nowhere. We finally leave and we head to another club.

Nothing’s really opening for me. The AlphaWing says something that ultimately changes the way I view the entire night:

‘You need to give the girls something to be attracted to. It’s not like saying “you’re cute, etc.” is bad, it’s just not good either. It’s neutral. There’s no charge to it. If you’re trying to not step on anyone’s tows, you’re playing the part of the female. You need to get her to react to you. You are the Yin and she is the Yang. A woman follows, a man leads.”

I open two set with of chicks:

Me: Let’s dance (me moving to grab her hands).
HB8: Um nah, I don’t dance.
Me: It’s fine, I’ll teach you.
Guy tries to hit on her while this happens. They ignore him. I give them knowing looks.
Me: Weird hey?
The look at me as if waiting for me to say something else. Then I think “oh shit, they want to hear me talk?” and then I lose the set/eject.

AlphaWing then tells me to go into mixed sets. I go in half-hearted at first, but then over time I’m grabbing girls from dudes. It’s going really well:

Me: Hey, what’s up.
HB6: Hey (I cut through the guys as she says this)
Me: You’re Indian.
HB6: (Shakes head)
Me: Pakistani
HB6: Gasp (high fives me)
Me: I don’t wanna get too close tho you might blow me up.
HB6: Jaw drops (lols) What’s your name?
Me: Hunter. And now we dance!
I carry her Tyler style.
Indian guy tries and stops me
Me: Don’t worry, we’re just friends.
(I let her go and decide I’ll come back to her).

I approach this other girl and she’s into me. Cold reads, stuff like that…

While writing this I realize these girls might have been drunk. Maybe not wasted, but definitely seemed a little too receptive. Almost pull Pakistani girl on the reapproach but she gives me shit test as we walk out.

HB6: How old are you?
Me: 23
HB6: … You’re WAY TOO YOUNG. Wayyyyy too young. (walks away)
Me: Wait!

Ughh, so yeah, should’ve flipped the script (eww, how old are you?)

There’s no deep connection in any of these sets. AlphaWing approaches another girl… she hooks. Blah, nothing else new there. Mexican girl 3-set. AlphaWing starts hitting on one, AsianWing (other dude/Julien RSD clone) hits on the other, last girl sees the other two getting hit on and comes up to me and starts hitting on me.

No deep rapport in any of these. How do you transition to deep rapport??? I’m thinking it must be DHVing and then going into a deep rapport question.

Saturday:

I approach first set London HB6.5. Says she’s hungover, wants to get coffee. I do some attraction shit by calling her racist and then pull her to Starbucks. This turns out to be a instadate. Convo gets boring, I’m thinking I’m doing comfort but the convo doesn’t seem interesting until I ask her whether she would have a cucumber or a football up her butthole. She lols and says cucumber. I say, you like that huh? More small talk.

Basically this is her last day in town, ended up inviting her out. Spent whole night out with her. She didn’t reciprocate any touching. I tried touching her several times. Refused everytime. Honestly, I didn’t really steer the convo into a sexual place. That was what I realized after she took a cab home at the end of the night. First I just thought she was boring, but really I think it was the fact that she made a sexual joke and acted like I was uncomfortable with it. I then resumed the boring comfort convo thinking I was getting into deep rapport. Spent 3 hours with her talking… jeez. She also lived three blocks away from the clubs. I’m guessing YaReally would say that I should’ve led the convo in a sexual direction.

Funnily enough I did it with this other girl from Daygame who had a bf. She gave me the wrong number (honestly a shame, SO would’ve banged her), but anyway, here’s the convo.

This conversation was probably the best of the weekend because this girl had a boyfriend, was not interested (was walking away) and then did not leave and was actually interested in me.

(This is right after convo with LondonHB6):

Me: Hey, are you racist?
HB7: What?
Me: Just kidding. Thought I’d stop you.
HB7: Oh okay.
Me: You have this nerdish face.
HB7: Oh really?
Me: Yeah, you cosplay?
HB7: What’s that?
Me: It’s when you dress up as anime characters. I’m too nerdy for you.
HB7: Oh okay lol
Me: Are you a Democrat?
HB7: Why do you say that?
Me: Doesn’t matter I’m a conservative. I don’t believe in giving girls rights. I’d put you in a cellar and only pass you food underneath the bars.
HB7: Lol and I’d just grasp at the tray trying to get at it.
She was laughing a lot so she stayed.
Me: We should get coffee sometime.
HB7: I have a boyfriend.
Me: So, I have a girlfriend.
HB7: Lol
Me: What you got there (pointing to her bag)?
HB7: A bra from Victoria Secret.
Me: You’re not going to tell me how big they are?
HB7: Lol no
Me: I’ll tell you how big I am (I look down)… 10, 11 inches.
HB7: lol
Me: I’m talking about my shoes. You thought I would tell you my dick size? Nope lol
HB7: lol
Me: Don’t worry, it’s big.
HB7: (she’s like staring into my eyes now) Where are you from?
Small talk from here. She does marketing. Blah. Wasted a perfectly good opportunity to do deep rapport here JEEEZ WHY DO I KEEP FORGETTING
Me: (so I run out of stuff to say… lol) Let’s get coffee right now (I grab her hand)
HB7: Wait no, they’re having a sale on X and today’s the last day.
Me: Alright fine. Lol this has been fun. You’re really funny! I’ll get your number and we’ll get coffee… as friends.

We pull out our phones. Puts in her name, phone fucks up. Says I need to get a new phone.

Me: Why so I can compensate for something? Don’t worry, it’s big.
HB7: lol (I shouldn’t have used this joke again)

Then she just like… is staring at my lips, I’m pretty sure. I’m like, is there is something on my lips and I cover my mouth. She’s lols.

We huge and then she moves her face close to my face, but I’m like so amazed this is happening that I don’t even really notice. I noticed it later on.

There was other stuff in the middle but it was all roleplaying. Decided to call her Stacey and pretend she was my “dead” girlfriend. HB7 said that’s weird lol. So yeah did a bunch of role playing.

Too bad, she gave me either a fake number or a wrong number, I dunno. A person responded to the text I sent her saying it was someone else. Weird. That’s never happened to me before. Usually it’ll just be a flat out ‘no’ if they didn’t want me to have their number.

Anyway, that was the weekend. Went daygaming today, could’ve bounced with these two chicks to the bars. Didn’t cuz I’m still doing job research and didn’t want to sacrifice that time hanging with two older women who may or may not have put out. Sigh, maybe I should’ve tried. I need to get ahead in getting the rest of my life together (finding a better job), cuz that’s honestly more important.

Shorter FR this time, but pretty tired. Feel free to skip breaking this one down YaReally if there’s nothing interesting here. I feel like it was a good day of doing things I didn’t want to:

– definitely didn’t want to meetup with LondonHB6 chick, no opportunity to eject (lol)
– did not want to go into mixed sets

Skipped industry night because I was behind on work. This has to stop. I’m missing out on other opportunities because of my habit of completing my projects near their deadlines and procrastinating when I have plenty of time to get them done.

Also forgot storytelling mission for the most part… maybe I should do it as a warmup instead of as a main goal. In all of those shorter earlier sets, I could’ve used it.


  • JohnDSee
    on July 28, 2014 at 11:22 pm
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    Not that I doubt the FRs posted here, but I couldn’t remember this kind of detail from a convo I had with my friend 2 hours ago. Do you guys take notes as you go, or do you have incredible memory skills. I’ve banged chics even if I forgot their name 5 seconds after meeting them. Maybe it’s a priorities thing. I honestly hope your recall helps you get laid. Whatever works. Cheers.


    • YaReally
      on July 29, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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      @JohnDSee
      “Not that I doubt the FRs posted here, but I couldn’t remember this kind of detail from a convo I had with my friend 2 hours ago.”

      I thought the same thing till I started writing them myself. A lot of guys doing this don’t drink and write their FRs as soon as they get home or the next day while it’s all still fresh in their mind. You’d be surprised how much you remember, especially when you’re pushing your boundaries. Personally I think a lot of a person’s memories are based on when they’re pushing themselves outside of their comfort zone…ie – I can’t remember a random Tuesday afternoon with my ex-GF because they all blur together because it was just routine comfort zone shit…but I can remember crystal clear the first time I approached a hot girl, that shit is burned in my brain ’cause I was so far out of my comfort zone lol

      @Hunter
      Gave a quick skim but I’ll give it a better read later. Just wanted to address this:

      “How do you transition to deep rapport???”

      Isolate. Get her away from the group/stimulus/interruptions/ADD-dance-floor/etc. Lead her to somewhere quieter in the club (there’s always quieter areas, usually on the far end from the dance floor area or a patio or different floor or even a bar to order waters from or just standing in a spot where there aren’t as many loud speakers playing music), pace her energy and then lead it down into the energy you want for deep rapport. You can build attraction in the high-energy start of the interaction but the actual seduction happens once you get her energy lowered into a state where you can get into deep rapport with her and really build a foundation. (not counting flash game lays of course)



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Hunter
on July 28, 2014 at 10:30 pm
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Weekend FR–

Lots of insight from the weekend. Doing much better :) Still FAR from where I want to be, but getting there.

Friday:

We head out to the first club of the night and I’m stifled again. My wings are already in set with girls. I’m just like shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. I could easily join the group GingerWing is in (six chicks), but I keep thinking I’ll ruin it for him with my early game weirdness. So I decide to wander for a bit… approach one older lady, she’s weirded out… I’m like, yay first approach… then I tell Ya’s story to this drunk dude… it goes okay.

I keep talking to him about approaching girls, I end up not doing it. I stay and chat with this dude. Then I decide to get one of these other dudes to help me approach. I approach second set, goes nowhere. I approach girl dancing in another group, it goes nowhere. We finally leave and we head to another club.

Nothing’s really opening for me. The AlphaWing says something that ultimately changes the way I view the entire night:

‘You need to give the girls something to be attracted to. It’s not like saying “you’re cute, etc.” is bad, it’s just not good either. It’s neutral. There’s no charge to it. If you’re trying to not step on anyone’s tows, you’re playing the part of the female. You need to get her to react to you. You are the Yin and she is the Yang. A woman follows, a man leads.”

I open two set with of chicks:

Me: Let’s dance (me moving to grab her hands).
HB8: Um nah, I don’t dance.
Me: It’s fine, I’ll teach you.
Guy tries to hit on her while this happens. They ignore him. I give them knowing looks.
Me: Weird hey?
The look at me as if waiting for me to say something else. Then I think “oh shit, they want to hear me talk?” and then I lose the set/eject.

AlphaWing then tells me to go into mixed sets. I go in half-hearted at first, but then over time I’m grabbing girls from dudes. It’s going really well:

Me: Hey, what’s up.
HB6: Hey (I cut through the guys as she says this)
Me: You’re Indian.
HB6: (Shakes head)
Me: Pakistani
HB6: Gasp (high fives me)
Me: I don’t wanna get too close tho you might blow me up.
HB6: Jaw drops (lols) What’s your name?
Me: Hunter. And now we dance!
I carry her Tyler style.
Indian guy tries and stops me
Me: Don’t worry, we’re just friends.
(I let her go and decide I’ll come back to her).

I approach this other girl and she’s into me. Cold reads, stuff like that…

While writing this I realize these girls might have been drunk. Maybe not wasted, but definitely seemed a little too receptive. Almost pull Pakistani girl on the reapproach but she gives me shit test as we walk out.

HB6: How old are you?
Me: 23
HB6: … You’re WAY TOO YOUNG. Wayyyyy too young. (walks away)
Me: Wait!

Ughh, so yeah, should’ve flipped the script (eww, how old are you?)

There’s no deep connection in any of these sets. AlphaWing approaches another girl… she hooks. Blah, nothing else new there. Mexican girl 3-set. AlphaWing starts hitting on one, AsianWing (other dude/Julien RSD clone) hits on the other, last girl sees the other two getting hit on and comes up to me and starts hitting on me.

No deep rapport in any of these. How do you transition to deep rapport??? I’m thinking it must be DHVing and then going into a deep rapport question.

Saturday:

I approach first set London HB6.5. Says she’s hungover, wants to get coffee. I do some attraction shit by calling her racist and then pull her to Starbucks. This turns out to be a instadate. Convo gets boring, I’m thinking I’m doing comfort but the convo doesn’t seem interesting until I ask her whether she would have a cucumber or a football up her butthole. She lols and says cucumber. I say, you like that huh? More small talk.

Basically this is her last day in town, ended up inviting her out. Spent whole night out with her. She didn’t reciprocate any touching. I tried touching her several times. Refused everytime. Honestly, I didn’t really steer the convo into a sexual place. That was what I realized after she took a cab home at the end of the night. First I just thought she was boring, but really I think it was the fact that she made a sexual joke and acted like I was uncomfortable with it. I then resumed the boring comfort convo thinking I was getting into deep rapport. Spent 3 hours with her talking… jeez. She also lived three blocks away from the clubs. I’m guessing YaReally would say that I should’ve led the convo in a sexual direction.

Funnily enough I did it with this other girl from Daygame who had a bf. She gave me the wrong number (honestly a shame, SO would’ve banged her), but anyway, here’s the convo.

This conversation was probably the best of the weekend because this girl had a boyfriend, was not interested (was walking away) and then did not leave and was actually interested in me.

(This is right after convo with LondonHB6):

Me: Hey, are you racist?
HB7: What?
Me: Just kidding. Thought I’d stop you.
HB7: Oh okay.
Me: You have this nerdish face.
HB7: Oh really?
Me: Yeah, you cosplay?
HB7: What’s that?
Me: It’s when you dress up as anime characters. I’m too nerdy for you.
HB7: Oh okay lol
Me: Are you a Democrat?
HB7: Why do you say that?
Me: Doesn’t matter I’m a conservative. I don’t believe in giving girls rights. I’d put you in a cellar and only pass you food underneath the bars.
HB7: Lol and I’d just grasp at the tray trying to get at it.
She was laughing a lot so she stayed.
Me: We should get coffee sometime.
HB7: I have a boyfriend.
Me: So, I have a girlfriend.
HB7: Lol
Me: What you got there (pointing to her bag)?
HB7: A bra from Victoria Secret.
Me: You’re not going to tell me how big they are?
HB7: Lol no
Me: I’ll tell you how big I am (I look down)… 10, 11 inches.
HB7: lol
Me: I’m talking about my shoes. You thought I would tell you my dick size? Nope lol
HB7: lol
Me: Don’t worry, it’s big.
HB7: (she’s like staring into my eyes now) Where are you from?
Small talk from here. She does marketing. Blah. Wasted a perfectly good opportunity to do deep rapport here JEEEZ WHY DO I KEEP FORGETTING
Me: (so I run out of stuff to say… lol) Let’s get coffee right now (I grab her hand)
HB7: Wait no, they’re having a sale on X and today’s the last day.
Me: Alright fine. Lol this has been fun. You’re really funny! I’ll get your number and we’ll get coffee… as friends.

We pull out our phones. Puts in her name, phone fucks up. Says I need to get a new phone.

Me: Why so I can compensate for something? Don’t worry, it’s big.
HB7: lol (I shouldn’t have used this joke again)

Then she just like… is staring at my lips, I’m pretty sure. I’m like, is there is something on my lips and I cover my mouth. She’s lols.

We huge and then she moves her face close to my face, but I’m like so amazed this is happening that I don’t even really notice. I noticed it later on.

There was other stuff in the middle but it was all roleplaying. Decided to call her Stacey and pretend she was my “dead” girlfriend. HB7 said that’s weird lol. So yeah did a bunch of role playing.

Too bad, she gave me either a fake number or a wrong number, I dunno. A person responded to the text I sent her saying it was someone else. Weird. That’s never happened to me before. Usually it’ll just be a flat out ‘no’ if they didn’t want me to have their number.

Anyway, that was the weekend. Went daygaming today, could’ve bounced with these two chicks to the bars. Didn’t cuz I’m still doing job research and didn’t want to sacrifice that time hanging with two older women who may or may not have put out. Sigh, maybe I should’ve tried. I need to get ahead in getting the rest of my life together (finding a better job), cuz that’s honestly more important.

Shorter FR this time, but pretty tired. Feel free to skip breaking this one down YaReally if there’s nothing interesting here. I feel like it was a good day of doing things I didn’t want to:

– definitely didn’t want to meetup with LondonHB6 chick, no opportunity to eject (lol)
– did not want to go into mixed sets

Skipped industry night because I was behind on work. This has to stop. I’m missing out on other opportunities because of my habit of completing my projects near their deadlines and procrastinating when I have plenty of time to get them done.

Also forgot storytelling mission for the most part… maybe I should do it as a warmup instead of as a main goal. In all of those shorter earlier sets, I could’ve used it.


  • JohnDSee
    on July 28, 2014 at 11:22 pm
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    Not that I doubt the FRs posted here, but I couldn’t remember this kind of detail from a convo I had with my friend 2 hours ago. Do you guys take notes as you go, or do you have incredible memory skills. I’ve banged chics even if I forgot their name 5 seconds after meeting them. Maybe it’s a priorities thing. I honestly hope your recall helps you get laid. Whatever works. Cheers.


    • YaReally
      on July 29, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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      @JohnDSee
      “Not that I doubt the FRs posted here, but I couldn’t remember this kind of detail from a convo I had with my friend 2 hours ago.”

      I thought the same thing till I started writing them myself. A lot of guys doing this don’t drink and write their FRs as soon as they get home or the next day while it’s all still fresh in their mind. You’d be surprised how much you remember, especially when you’re pushing your boundaries. Personally I think a lot of a person’s memories are based on when they’re pushing themselves outside of their comfort zone…ie – I can’t remember a random Tuesday afternoon with my ex-GF because they all blur together because it was just routine comfort zone shit…but I can remember crystal clear the first time I approached a hot girl, that shit is burned in my brain ’cause I was so far out of my comfort zone lol

      @Hunter
      Gave a quick skim but I’ll give it a better read later. Just wanted to address this:

      “How do you transition to deep rapport???”

      Isolate. Get her away from the group/stimulus/interruptions/ADD-dance-floor/etc. Lead her to somewhere quieter in the club (there’s always quieter areas, usually on the far end from the dance floor area or a patio or different floor or even a bar to order waters from or just standing in a spot where there aren’t as many loud speakers playing music), pace her energy and then lead it down into the energy you want for deep rapport. You can build attraction in the high-energy start of the interaction but the actual seduction happens once you get her energy lowered into a state where you can get into deep rapport with her and really build a foundation. (not counting flash game lays of course)



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Kant
on July 23, 2014 at 12:32 pm
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@yareally, immoral …
Field Report – Tinder insta-lay

I won’t go into too much detail trying to break it down since Yareally can do it much better (if you feel like it). This required my best text game especially because logistics were so terrible, she lives more than an hour away from me.

I matched with a girl on tinder around 10pm who had no pictures and no profile whatsoever, which I thought was pretty funny. She opened me.

HB: Hey.
Me: Lol
HB: Yeah right?
HB: -guitar emoji-
Me: Sup sexy
HB: Not much boo how are you?
Me: Can’t stop thinking about your sexy body
Me: But I swiped right for your personality
HB: What a cutie
HB: I really hope we’re on the same page
HB: I swiped right for your sexy guitar
Me: Yes, I also love my sexy guitar
HB: Love is in the air
Me: Is this the part where we trade dick pics
HB: Probably, i’m not sure
HB: Half naked selfies first
(I recognized this as an opening to stop messing around and actually do something)
Me: Sounds good -phone number-
HB: Now it’s serious. You first : -phone number-

Now over text:

Me: Hey HB. -tasteful, artsy shirtless pic, I’m a fit hipster type-
HB: You did it
HB: Hi kant, lovely. Ill send you mine tomorrow Im falling asleep
To not appear needy I just answered:
Me: ;)

Next day at 2:30pm

HB: -half naked selfie- Hey there
Me: Very nice are you a dancer
HB: Yes I am
I could tell she was horny since she initiated and sent me a pic so I just went with
Me: We should meet up for some fun. I’d do very bad things to you
HB: That sounds scary. But yeah we should
HB: Bad boys are my fav
Now I knew I knew attraction game was over, its all a shitload of comfort from here
Me: Not scary at all. What time are you free tonight?
Me: Let’s both pinky swear we aren’t crazies
Hb: I’m a nice girl, I swear
Hb: Where do you live?
Me: I hope not too nice.. -cross streets- , or I can come to you, your choice
HB: Are you going to -my college-?
HB: So far. But I can come. Let’s see, I’ll text you later
Me: I did, graduated

Now it’s 8:15pm the same day, and she hasn’t texted me. I knew I had to regame this or it wasn’t going to happen.

Me: Still plan on swinging by?
HB: Im thinking about it
Hb: !
Hb: Are you staying home tonight?
Me: Good :) I am, head over
A couple of minutes pass and I feel like I need to give her a good reason to do it
Me: Is love to eat you out for as long as you’d like
HB: Ok, if we have to play this stupid game and considering it’ll take me more than an hour to come meet you, you have to send me another selfie
Me: That’s fair, what would you like
Hb: Your face
Hb: :)
Me: -face selfie-
Hb: Ok you’re cute.
Hb: Also you know that if I come to you Ill have yo stay over since I have class at 8:30 tomorrow and it’ll take me more than hour to come meet you
Back to the needing comfort stage, I know I’m basically in but the logistics are awful
Me: That’s perfectly fine. I have clean sheets and AC
HB: Is 11pm too late? I have rehearsal at til 9:30
Me: That’s perfect babe
Hb: K, send me your exact adress
Me: -address-
Me: Ring up -apt number-. Text me when youre on your way
Hb: Ok :)
Me: :) (at 9:45)

Around 10:15

Hb: On my way
Hb: Ill be there in an hour or more
Me: See you in a bit

She arrived around 11:15, took her in my room, made small talk for about 2 minutes then banged her. Probably about 5 minutes from meeting her in person until I was inside her.

She had a small freakout during sex because I didn’t build enough comfort. I stopped but didn’t come out of her, told her we’d get a cocktail after this asked her if she likes whiskey or vodka, and slowly worked her up again. She responded well to that and we finished having sex.

Afterward we just chatted on my bed and I could see her becoming more attracted as we talked — it’s really funny, but she didn’t become attracted to me until AFTER we had sex. Crazy huh? She apologized for freaking out, I said don’t be sorry, she said this is an unusual situation and I agreed.

She was a 24yo French professional dancer, really sexy body and good personality. said she had gotten tinder three days ago. When I asked her why she didn’t have any pictures on there she said “I didn’t feel comfortable doing that” lol.

Then we went to bed, I started falling asleep but she got on top of me and initiated sex again — it was better the second time.

I sent her a comfort text in the morning and she responded well. Hopefully will be seeing her regularly.


  • YaReally
    on July 23, 2014 at 10:28 pm
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    @Kant

    Shit, it’s like watching my former self when I was heavily into online game lol Well done. A lot of people scoff when I tell them I used to do “day2-less game” where I would just chat the chick online and get her to drive to my apartment (sometimes from other cities) and bang her as soon as she knocked on my door.

    It’s not a 100% thing that you can do every time, but a lot of it is just recognizing windows of opportunity like you did (reading her iois and cluing in that she’s actually horny and pouncing instead of building up to some gay date, txting her instead of letting her flake on you, pulling back into Comfort when you needed to, etc.), and taking those windows and not caring if you don’t get her, for the sake of pushing the boundaries and learning some calibration.

    I learned to do it by trail and error when I was too busy/lazy (lol) to txt all week and go on actual dates and was just like “I don’t want to go on a date with them I just want to fuck them” and started experimenting with seeing how fast I could escalate to a meetup, and when I got decent at that I started seeing how fast I could escalate to just coming over to my place lol

    It’s a fun trick to have in your toolbelt, but for any guy reading your LR and going “wow fuck all that going out shit, I’m just gonna set up a Tinder account and try this instead!”, you’ll gain a lot more experience and your skillset will get a lot tighter from actual cold-approach game in-field lol

    Anyway, props dude. You may need to do some more Comfort over the next few days juuuust to make sure she’s cool with it all. That’s the thing with Comfort is that you DO need it, even if you get it AFTER sex, which tends to be my M.O. (I’m working on putting it back in before sex right now though ’cause I’ve been getting flakes off my cold-approach lately and it’s because I keep skipping Comfort because I used to do what you did here lol). She still has to feel like a special little flower…if you manage to bang her and skip Comfort, let her cuddle up and chill with you for a while or overnight and get to know her hopes and dreams and shit or you’ll get Buyer’s Remorse.

    That’s why Naturals get a lot of Buyer’s Remorse and girls who hate them and drama and shit, because when they get to skip Comfort they go “woohoo!!” and then kick her out after sex and don’t call her again just like they do with girls they had Comfort with…but the ones they didn’t get Comfort with end up feeling used and shitty and get Buyer’s Remorse and hate them lol which isn’t a big deal if you don’t care about the chick but it IS a big deal when you consider that that Buyer’s Remorse can convince a girl’s hamster to view what happened as rape and that’s a can of worms you would be stupid to open when you can avoid it just by asking her what she wanted to be when she grows up and nodding your head like she’s a special snowflake to you lol



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on July 23, 2014 at 12:37 pm
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“Barney: Let’s ride!

James: Fo’sho.

(James approaches girl)

James: (To girl) Damn baby, nice tramp stamp!

Barney: Hey hey! Her body art is not an invitation to grope her. It’s an expression of her inner-self. In many ways I’m sure she IS a dolphin encircled by flowers.

James: What?

Barney: What! (James leaves)

Barney: (To girl) Let me know if he bothers you again.

Girl: Thanks, you should stay close just in case.”

I like chicks with or without tatts it’s all good, the rocker look is sexy. But badly drawn tatts are always funny to me and I lol in my head.

No tattoos or piercings myself. Doesn’t really matter…all that it really affects is that I get a bit more hostility/bitch-shield at the start when I’m in that kind of venue/scene because they assume I must not be “one of them” the same way an asian guy in a country bar or a white dude in a hip hop bar would get extra static, but I just plow through with my vibe no fucks given and then suddenly not having tattoos is “cool” to them lol

But they only care because I don’t care. Other guys who are self-conscious about not “fitting in” will get hated on and deterred. They feel what you feel. The guys who say stuff like “these girls won’t even talk to you unless you have tattoos and piercings” are just lame guys who have a lame vibe…hell, the bitter crybaby butthurt even comes through in their text complaining about it lol


  • Anonymous
    on July 23, 2014 at 5:14 pm
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    yareally, you are all into RSD as we all know…have you heard much about ths evil stifler guy who is friends with jeffy? apparently he is a crazy good natural who has banged like 600 chicks. just opens every girl he sees without hesitation


    • YaReally
      on July 23, 2014 at 10:16 pm
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      Ya Evil Stifler is a legend around RSD. He’s basically an extreme (extreme) Natural who Jeffy met and they clicked and hit up girls together. You can search on YouTube for some vids of Jeffy interviewing him but Evil Stifler basically thinks the community is all “a bunch of fags” lol

      I believe whatever his numbers are, just ’cause I’ve met Naturals before (personally hung with a dude while he pulled 100 new chicks in a year) and this guy has that kind of drive combined with absolutely no responsibilities. His life is basically shit, way worse than mine lol He has like no money and just does private massages for cash and spends all day hitting up girls day and night. Anyone who has that kind of drive and spends that many hours hitting up chicks is going to pull retarded numbers. Pretty sure that, like most Naturals, he doesn’t really care about quality/hotness either.

      Vibe-wise the dude has a super irritating wiener voice like Tyler, but from what I gather his entire attitude is just a big dumb happy dog with a smile on his face that has no concept of social boundaries/etiquette and is persistent as fuck. Girls are attracted because he actually approaches and has a fun vibe and just plows through resistance and doesn’t care if he breaks society’s rules and is just as likely to get into a fight or thrown out as he is to get laid.

      Dude will be like, fixing Jeffy’s van and a girl walks by and he’ll just go “hey girl, you wanna learn how to change a sparkplug?” and try to get her to come over and try to escalate it to fucking her, where most of us would check the girl out and let her go by or think “I hope I see a chick like that at the bar tonight when I’ve showered up, I’d have opened her now but I’m feeling sweaty and gross working on this van”.

      Not someone who’s overall lifestyle you should envy since he’s basically one step up from being a bum (and that’s coming from me who until recently wasn’t much better lol), and not someone to compare your numbers to because there’s no way you could top his numbers anymore than you could out-box Mike Tyson, but his mindsets and overall vibe with regards to women and having fun and approaching and sex are solid and representative of basically a Natural on total overdrive.

      But he’s not doing anything supernatural. I’ve only met one guy in my life of going out who’s similar to him, they’re pretty rare and the result of a lot of fluke combinations of elements aligning.



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Kant
on July 23, 2014 at 12:32 pm
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@yareally, immoral …
Field Report – Tinder insta-lay

I won’t go into too much detail trying to break it down since Yareally can do it much better (if you feel like it). This required my best text game especially because logistics were so terrible, she lives more than an hour away from me.

I matched with a girl on tinder around 10pm who had no pictures and no profile whatsoever, which I thought was pretty funny. She opened me.

HB: Hey.
Me: Lol
HB: Yeah right?
HB: -guitar emoji-
Me: Sup sexy
HB: Not much boo how are you?
Me: Can’t stop thinking about your sexy body
Me: But I swiped right for your personality
HB: What a cutie
HB: I really hope we’re on the same page
HB: I swiped right for your sexy guitar
Me: Yes, I also love my sexy guitar
HB: Love is in the air
Me: Is this the part where we trade dick pics
HB: Probably, i’m not sure
HB: Half naked selfies first
(I recognized this as an opening to stop messing around and actually do something)
Me: Sounds good -phone number-
HB: Now it’s serious. You first : -phone number-

Now over text:

Me: Hey HB. -tasteful, artsy shirtless pic, I’m a fit hipster type-
HB: You did it
HB: Hi kant, lovely. Ill send you mine tomorrow Im falling asleep
To not appear needy I just answered:
Me: ;)

Next day at 2:30pm

HB: -half naked selfie- Hey there
Me: Very nice are you a dancer
HB: Yes I am
I could tell she was horny since she initiated and sent me a pic so I just went with
Me: We should meet up for some fun. I’d do very bad things to you
HB: That sounds scary. But yeah we should
HB: Bad boys are my fav
Now I knew I knew attraction game was over, its all a shitload of comfort from here
Me: Not scary at all. What time are you free tonight?
Me: Let’s both pinky swear we aren’t crazies
Hb: I’m a nice girl, I swear
Hb: Where do you live?
Me: I hope not too nice.. -cross streets- , or I can come to you, your choice
HB: Are you going to -my college-?
HB: So far. But I can come. Let’s see, I’ll text you later
Me: I did, graduated

Now it’s 8:15pm the same day, and she hasn’t texted me. I knew I had to regame this or it wasn’t going to happen.

Me: Still plan on swinging by?
HB: Im thinking about it
Hb: !
Hb: Are you staying home tonight?
Me: Good :) I am, head over
A couple of minutes pass and I feel like I need to give her a good reason to do it
Me: Is love to eat you out for as long as you’d like
HB: Ok, if we have to play this stupid game and considering it’ll take me more than an hour to come meet you, you have to send me another selfie
Me: That’s fair, what would you like
Hb: Your face
Hb: :)
Me: -face selfie-
Hb: Ok you’re cute.
Hb: Also you know that if I come to you Ill have yo stay over since I have class at 8:30 tomorrow and it’ll take me more than hour to come meet you
Back to the needing comfort stage, I know I’m basically in but the logistics are awful
Me: That’s perfectly fine. I have clean sheets and AC
HB: Is 11pm too late? I have rehearsal at til 9:30
Me: That’s perfect babe
Hb: K, send me your exact adress
Me: -address-
Me: Ring up -apt number-. Text me when youre on your way
Hb: Ok :)
Me: :) (at 9:45)

Around 10:15

Hb: On my way
Hb: Ill be there in an hour or more
Me: See you in a bit

She arrived around 11:15, took her in my room, made small talk for about 2 minutes then banged her. Probably about 5 minutes from meeting her in person until I was inside her.

She had a small freakout during sex because I didn’t build enough comfort. I stopped but didn’t come out of her, told her we’d get a cocktail after this asked her if she likes whiskey or vodka, and slowly worked her up again. She responded well to that and we finished having sex.

Afterward we just chatted on my bed and I could see her becoming more attracted as we talked — it’s really funny, but she didn’t become attracted to me until AFTER we had sex. Crazy huh? She apologized for freaking out, I said don’t be sorry, she said this is an unusual situation and I agreed.

She was a 24yo French professional dancer, really sexy body and good personality. said she had gotten tinder three days ago. When I asked her why she didn’t have any pictures on there she said “I didn’t feel comfortable doing that” lol.

Then we went to bed, I started falling asleep but she got on top of me and initiated sex again — it was better the second time.

I sent her a comfort text in the morning and she responded well. Hopefully will be seeing her regularly.


  • YaReally
    on July 23, 2014 at 10:28 pm
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    @Kant

    Shit, it’s like watching my former self when I was heavily into online game lol Well done. A lot of people scoff when I tell them I used to do “day2-less game” where I would just chat the chick online and get her to drive to my apartment (sometimes from other cities) and bang her as soon as she knocked on my door.

    It’s not a 100% thing that you can do every time, but a lot of it is just recognizing windows of opportunity like you did (reading her iois and cluing in that she’s actually horny and pouncing instead of building up to some gay date, txting her instead of letting her flake on you, pulling back into Comfort when you needed to, etc.), and taking those windows and not caring if you don’t get her, for the sake of pushing the boundaries and learning some calibration.

    I learned to do it by trail and error when I was too busy/lazy (lol) to txt all week and go on actual dates and was just like “I don’t want to go on a date with them I just want to fuck them” and started experimenting with seeing how fast I could escalate to a meetup, and when I got decent at that I started seeing how fast I could escalate to just coming over to my place lol

    It’s a fun trick to have in your toolbelt, but for any guy reading your LR and going “wow fuck all that going out shit, I’m just gonna set up a Tinder account and try this instead!”, you’ll gain a lot more experience and your skillset will get a lot tighter from actual cold-approach game in-field lol

    Anyway, props dude. You may need to do some more Comfort over the next few days juuuust to make sure she’s cool with it all. That’s the thing with Comfort is that you DO need it, even if you get it AFTER sex, which tends to be my M.O. (I’m working on putting it back in before sex right now though ’cause I’ve been getting flakes off my cold-approach lately and it’s because I keep skipping Comfort because I used to do what you did here lol). She still has to feel like a special little flower…if you manage to bang her and skip Comfort, let her cuddle up and chill with you for a while or overnight and get to know her hopes and dreams and shit or you’ll get Buyer’s Remorse.

    That’s why Naturals get a lot of Buyer’s Remorse and girls who hate them and drama and shit, because when they get to skip Comfort they go “woohoo!!” and then kick her out after sex and don’t call her again just like they do with girls they had Comfort with…but the ones they didn’t get Comfort with end up feeling used and shitty and get Buyer’s Remorse and hate them lol which isn’t a big deal if you don’t care about the chick but it IS a big deal when you consider that that Buyer’s Remorse can convince a girl’s hamster to view what happened as rape and that’s a can of worms you would be stupid to open when you can avoid it just by asking her what she wanted to be when she grows up and nodding your head like she’s a special snowflake to you lol



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on July 23, 2014 at 12:37 pm
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“Barney: Let’s ride!

James: Fo’sho.

(James approaches girl)

James: (To girl) Damn baby, nice tramp stamp!

Barney: Hey hey! Her body art is not an invitation to grope her. It’s an expression of her inner-self. In many ways I’m sure she IS a dolphin encircled by flowers.

James: What?

Barney: What! (James leaves)

Barney: (To girl) Let me know if he bothers you again.

Girl: Thanks, you should stay close just in case.”

I like chicks with or without tatts it’s all good, the rocker look is sexy. But badly drawn tatts are always funny to me and I lol in my head.

No tattoos or piercings myself. Doesn’t really matter…all that it really affects is that I get a bit more hostility/bitch-shield at the start when I’m in that kind of venue/scene because they assume I must not be “one of them” the same way an asian guy in a country bar or a white dude in a hip hop bar would get extra static, but I just plow through with my vibe no fucks given and then suddenly not having tattoos is “cool” to them lol

But they only care because I don’t care. Other guys who are self-conscious about not “fitting in” will get hated on and deterred. They feel what you feel. The guys who say stuff like “these girls won’t even talk to you unless you have tattoos and piercings” are just lame guys who have a lame vibe…hell, the bitter crybaby butthurt even comes through in their text complaining about it lol


  • Anonymous
    on July 23, 2014 at 5:14 pm
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    yareally, you are all into RSD as we all know…have you heard much about ths evil stifler guy who is friends with jeffy? apparently he is a crazy good natural who has banged like 600 chicks. just opens every girl he sees without hesitation


    • YaReally
      on July 23, 2014 at 10:16 pm
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      Ya Evil Stifler is a legend around RSD. He’s basically an extreme (extreme) Natural who Jeffy met and they clicked and hit up girls together. You can search on YouTube for some vids of Jeffy interviewing him but Evil Stifler basically thinks the community is all “a bunch of fags” lol

      I believe whatever his numbers are, just ’cause I’ve met Naturals before (personally hung with a dude while he pulled 100 new chicks in a year) and this guy has that kind of drive combined with absolutely no responsibilities. His life is basically shit, way worse than mine lol He has like no money and just does private massages for cash and spends all day hitting up girls day and night. Anyone who has that kind of drive and spends that many hours hitting up chicks is going to pull retarded numbers. Pretty sure that, like most Naturals, he doesn’t really care about quality/hotness either.

      Vibe-wise the dude has a super irritating wiener voice like Tyler, but from what I gather his entire attitude is just a big dumb happy dog with a smile on his face that has no concept of social boundaries/etiquette and is persistent as fuck. Girls are attracted because he actually approaches and has a fun vibe and just plows through resistance and doesn’t care if he breaks society’s rules and is just as likely to get into a fight or thrown out as he is to get laid.

      Dude will be like, fixing Jeffy’s van and a girl walks by and he’ll just go “hey girl, you wanna learn how to change a sparkplug?” and try to get her to come over and try to escalate it to fucking her, where most of us would check the girl out and let her go by or think “I hope I see a chick like that at the bar tonight when I’ve showered up, I’d have opened her now but I’m feeling sweaty and gross working on this van”.

      Not someone who’s overall lifestyle you should envy since he’s basically one step up from being a bum (and that’s coming from me who until recently wasn’t much better lol), and not someone to compare your numbers to because there’s no way you could top his numbers anymore than you could out-box Mike Tyson, but his mindsets and overall vibe with regards to women and having fun and approaching and sex are solid and representative of basically a Natural on total overdrive.

      But he’s not doing anything supernatural. I’ve only met one guy in my life of going out who’s similar to him, they’re pretty rare and the result of a lot of fluke combinations of elements aligning.



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Alright, pretty mind-bending weekend.

Friday FR:

I meetup with my regular wings from daygame (more on that later) and we head to a bar/club. We all seem nervous to do night game. One of my regular wings starts acting weird (laughing at random shit that isn’t funny… he’s been watching Tyler’s videos as of late so I’m assuming he started watching one about self-amusement). I decided my goal for the night is to tell the story YaReally helped me make (hooray!).

Okay…

We were on the street and I start freaking out about putting my bad storytelling skills out there. Wings mean well (just open, mate! (he’s from the UK)), but it doesn’t do much. One of my wings opens a set on the street, I jump in to tell the story, but…

Me to cute girl (a 7.5ish): Hey, you’re cute.
HB7.5: Gee thanks…
Me: Just kidding, I’m much cuter.
HB7.5: lol oh?

And then I randomly do this shit…

Me: Alright, I’m going to tell you a story, let me know if it sucks. (seeking validation = bad)
HB7.5: Alright (makes a face as if preparing to be bored)
Me: (Takes a deep breath)… Arghh! i can’t do it. (i start cringing)
HB7.5: Uhmmmm
Me: I’m just trying to improve my storytelling skills… sigh…

Yeah that ends quick. We end up at another club, I’m still nervous. Ginger wing and other wing open two set, white and black chicks. One of the wings (let’s call him Femme Dude) intros me to black 6. I’m like cool, I’ll practice on her for real.

Me: Hey, hows it going?
HB: Good :)
Me: Are you crazy?
HB: Why?
Me: {Story}

I can see her face strain into pseudo amusement. Even after delivering Ya’s great punchline, it’s sort of a silent fake laugh. Like WOW that’s funny… not really lol

HB: Wow, some girls are crazy.
Me: Yeah…
HB: (turns back to my wing)

I’m like, oh well, at least I tried.

White chick starts giving me girl code. I come in closer and she turns away from Ginger wing. “Save me!” she says.

Me: Uh, yeah, sorry, I can’t help you :)
She makes weirded out eyes in Ginger wings direction.

I lol and the girls bail.

I proceed to approach a group of girls myself, but I don’t tell the story, thinking about what just occurred with black chick. Embarrassing.

We make our way to another bar and… I really can’t get myself to approach. I just psyche myself out for some reason. So I end up just standing there for a bit. Then I open this girl and tell her the same story.

Me: (story)
HB6.5: Wow lol (I think she’s tipsy…)
Me: Yeah, some girls are crazy. Some people just need-
HB6.5: (stops me) I’m actually gonna go, brb.

Fuck.

So yeah, didn’t tell any other stories for the rest of the night. All my wings are from RSD so they didn’t get laid either. But yeah… that was the night. However, I met a dude who’s gamed for a long-ass time, has access to supreme hotties (9s and 10s). Says he admires my goal-setting with the story-telling cuz the other RSD dudes are just anti-social. Doesn’t like RSD anymore (says their new stuff is just causing newbies to become anti social, but he really liked their latest vid on social circles.

He knows game REALLY well (all the terms) and literally had NO FEAR. He approached whoever he wanted, saw things I didn’t see. Told me that he would take me to one of the industry nights with the hottest girls and douchiest guys.

AlphaWing: The first week is just for you to just observe. These are girls in the industry (night club scene). They just got off work to come there. Girls are in pushup bras and tight shorts. Guys are ripped as fuck in tang tops. It doesn’t matter what you say or what I tell you to say, because it won’t work. Everyone is in mixed sets.

The second week, you’ll open a few groups. By the fifth week, you’ll see the matrix. You’ll wonder why you never lead before and you’ll never go back. Coming to these industry nights is how my game got to the next level.

He really loves RSD Todd and Derek.

Anyway, really learned a lot from this guy. Game isn’t hard. You have to be real and express yourself.

Saturday FR:

So I meetup with AlphaWing. The other RSD dudes aren’t out, except for GingerWing and this other guy who’s a model (PrettyBoy). GingerWing gets jealous that AlphaWing is paying more attention to me than him. Apparently AlphaWing offered him the same shit (to help him with his game), but GingerWing couldn’t handle the industry nights. I gladly take up the offer.

Anyway, he tells me ALL about the BS about getting into clubs. You can easily get in, just make shit up. Lines are to keep out the losers. It’s not personal, it’s just the way it is.

Tells me to try and get in this club. The first time doesn’t work, but the second and third time, I get him in and into this other one. I cut the line, walk straight to the front, laser eye contact, and I get in. Mind is blown lol

AlphaWing and I hit up more chicks. He approaches a seated group of girls, pulls a girl out and carries her/dances with her.

Afterwards he says to me: “Give value to her, man. Always be thinking about giving good emotions.”

He does this again with another group with one dude and all girls. Pulls the girl he wants out of the group. Dances with her in front of her friends. She’s loving it. I noticed he addressed the dude before coming in and then the dude invite him to their table.

Seated two-set. AlphaWing tells me to approach.

Me: Hey guys, let’s dance. (I hold my hand out.)
HB7.5: (Looks puzzled but intrigued.)
Me: It’ll be fun trust me.
Both: We’re good lol
I eject.

AlphaWing says to me, “Back already?”
Me: Well, yeah, it was my first set.
AlphaWing: Go back in.
Me:… Really?
AlphaWing: Go.

I go back in.

Me: Hey guys, just trying to have fun :D (qualifying here, but was nervous, was unsure what to say)
HBs: (nervous laughter)
AlphaWing swoops in and occupies the other girl. So, it’s me and the HB7.5.
Me (to her): You know what, I’m just gonna stand here, don’t worry about me (I lean back and pretend I don’t care about her anymore)
HB7.5: lol (? I’m guessing this is more nervous laughter)

So PrettyBoy swoops in and sits next to her. I look over at AlphaWing and (big surprise) his girl loves him. Then I look over at PrettyBoy and his girl is nodding, giving him the bitch face. Answering his questions, but not smiling.

So I leave, and so does AlphaWing. He says to me, “Look at PrettyBoy’s girl. She’s not smiling. Look, look. He looks better than both of us and look at him. Looks don’t matter.”

PrettyBoy leaves and then, AlphaWing says “wait for it.” After about 30 seconds, HB7.5 starts smiling again with her friend, as if PB never approached.

So, beforehand I text this girl I met through daygame to meetup tonight. Gave me the impression she was coming to the bar we were at alone but I should’ve figured she’d bring like 7 other chicks. Anyway, she’s on her way, but I was a bit nervous to be around her and her friends (I also kinda wanted to keep gaming with AlphaWing).

AlphaWing: Is she hot?
Me: Um, she’s alright.
AlphaWing: Just text her we’re leaving to another bar, we’ve been here for an hour.

I text her that. She says “I’m literally about to get in”

We head outside and AlphaWing tells me to meet her in line. I see her with her friends at the door. She’s really happy to see me (HB7) (she had also never been cold approached in her life). We hug and say we’ll meetup sometime for sure. Didn’t want to meetup with her before her party (she suggested drinks), but I was busy doing work, didn’t want to go out with her and then head out again.

After I leave, I get a text saying “Stay wit her, she’s cute.”

AlphaWing and I meetup and I say “I already told her I was leaving.”

“Should’ve stayed with her man. I could’ve easily occupied all the other girls.”

It’s fine though, I’m meeting up with her on Weds.

We get into another club. I see this girl and hop into another two-set.

Me: Hey (instant kino)
HB7.5: Lol (refuses it)
Me: Whats your problem?
HB7.5: I have a boyfriend.
Me: You can be my girlfriend for five minutes only.
HB7.5: Lol
Me: You’re Persian.
HB7.5: Peruvian.
Me: Nice, can you cook too.
HB7.5: (says something, can’t hear because of the music)
Me: Uh… well… okay bye. (??)

Got flustered. But at this point, I’m already pretty warmed up so…

Then I see this Hispanic(Italian?)girl that I was trying to makeout with earlier in the year. She’s with three other girls (one of whom is her aunt). Some black dude is mackin on her. I cut through him and say:

Me: I remember you!
HB8: From where?
Me: We were at bar X I was trying to kiss you.
HB8: Lol omg!
Me: I remember your face.

I try to physically escalate from there, but she’s not having it (moves back). I don’t react and say “I’ve changed” with a smirk.

Black dude comes in and says “I was just trying to say bye.”

I look him dead in the eye and say “Okay.”

From there I go for her aunt (lol) and I game her same way.
Aunt: I have a husband.
Me: Okay (wasn’t really into her).

I see black dude try and escalate on HBItalian but she’s not giving him any leeway. It’s like she’s teasing him or something (she definitely does this on a regular basis, it seems). I lock in against the bar, making it look like her aunt is gaming me.

Me: So, I’m too young for you, you say… who would you set me up with.
Aunt: My niece, HBItalian.
Me: Her over there? (she’s like right in front of us)
At this point the black dude gives up. I hold my hand out to HBItalian, she takes it and I move in to escalate again, she recoils.
HBItalian: Hey, like, keep this distance (makes a distance gesture)
Me: Yeah, don’t get too close.

And from there, I don’t know what else to say… but I could’ve just cold read her like “Have you been hurt before?” or something relationshippy like that and gone from there…

So, I bail:

Me: Well, gotta go, I’ll see you (try for hug).
HBItailian: (gives me dog pat hug)
Me: Wow really.
HBItalian comes in for another hug and I push her away.

I see her again outside after me, AlphaWing, and GingerWing leave the club. I reapproach and try to escalate again.

HBItalian: Lol where do you come from?
Me: I dunno.
HBItalian: You think you can just try and kiss me?
Me: Lol I haven’t even tried to do that.
HBItalian: I have a boyfriend.
Me: No you don’t lol
HBItalian: I’m 29.
Me: Really?????
HBItalian: …
Me: I think I want you even more.
HBItalian: lol

Now her crew is leaving, but weirdly it looks like she’s hesitating in leaving. I don’t catch it fast enough so she says “I guess I’ll see you around since you know my face so well :)”

I’m really not used to the whole teasing thing. This is where my verbals should’ve been stronger.

I approach a couple more sets in another bar.

Two set of Indian girls:

Me: Hey guys.
HB8: Hey, I don’t want to waste your time, we’re both married.
Me: Why are you guys married? It’s the 21st century.
HB8: (Face changes) Well, I’m sure my husbands coming so you better go (she pulls other girl back and away).
Me: I’m sure it’ll last very long.
Husband: Hey there.
Me: Hey (looking at his wrist, there’s a religious arm band), are you (religion name)?
Husband: Yes, I am! Wow, you’re very cultured (I’m black so… guess this is a surprise lol)
Me: Yeah, I also know Japanese and other stuff like that (me qualifying here lol)
Anyway, you guys have a good night.
Husband: You too man.

A couple of MILFs too. I ended up doing Todd’s FRED method inadvertently (didn’t do the decision part).

And didn’t go out Sunday because AlphaWing ended up hurting his back, and probably couldn’t have gotten into the higher end clubs/industry night without him. Of course, I had work the next day so… oh well, next Sunday.

I learned a shitload from AlphaWing. It’s really been a defining moment in this journey. Finally someone who’s BETTER than me that I can learn from who’s been around hotties and gaming for YEARS. He used to go out 5-6 nights a week, did a couple 30 day challenges too.

We’re gonna start going out regularly. Even though we didn’t get laid, I learned so much just from hanging with this guy. Lots of other stuff he shared, but basically, it’s hard to reach the other side, but once I do, I’ll be unstoppable.

Also didn’t game today because I wanted to try gaming alone. Didn’t work out. Need to figure out my game plan (I’ll do that tonight). Like YaReally said, I could throw my head against the wall, but the result won’t change. Toastmasters is tomorrow so that’ll help with my storytelling.

Also, pretty big revelation, I’m finding:

The RSD dudes I’ve been hanging with SUCK at game. It’s basically been a numbers game this whole time. One of my wings is a state-junkie, the others do the same thing I do (hope for a result).

I’m not as good as they are (they at least get laid, albeit not with super hot chicks), but whatever, I see the light now.

You’ll also notice that I didn’t tell my story again after Friday. I’ll give it another shot this weekend.


  • YaReally
    on July 22, 2014 at 8:10 pm
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    Ditch your RSD buddies and stick to this PUA dude like glue. They’re holding you back, he’ll help you move forward.

    Your buddies will probably get jealous/bitter and hate on you, but ignore it (“ok man”, “ya I guess, cool”, “sorry guys”, like no fucks given), it’s OKAY to be selfish and look out for your goals instead of banging your head against the wall with them. If any of my buddies said “yo I have this opportunity to better myself but it means I won’t be around much sorry”, I will go “dude, fucking best of luck, I hope it works man, props for taking charge of your life, someday when you come back we’ll kick ass together”. Any friends who don’t support your decisions aren’t productive friends to have in your life right now.

    Try to hang with him solo if that’s an easy option to do. Like if he invites YOU, don’t invite your other buddies to come with you. He already knows your buddies suck at this, even if he’s friends with them, and probably isn’t interested in babysitting them so don’t bring them out with you guys if he doesn’t say to. They’ll all be fighting for his attention and making bitter comments and neither of you need that energy. If buddy here has personally invited to take you with him to industry night, take him up on that and just take him up on your own. If a guy spends one on one time with me, he’s going to get better, because I’m going to try to bring him up to my level…if he brings a bunch of dead weight, then I’m going to probably do my thing and if he can sneak away from the group cool but if he can’t that’s his baggage to babysit.

    Accept every offer this dude gives you to hang out that you can, even if it’s just hanging out chillin’ like grabbing food or playing xbox or even if it’s scary like come to industry night or he’s got a double date lined up and needs someone to wing the other girl, whatever. Like, if you gotta’ work or study or whatever, cool, but otherwise even if your arm is falling off and you haven’t slept in a week, go meet up with him when he offers.

    Guys like that are too busy having their own fun to hound you and drag your ass out constantly…if you turn him down a few times he’ll just stop offering. If you have to go into work/school tired because Industry Night was a Sunday or Monday and you were out with him hitting up girls till 2 and you only got like 4 hours of sleep and have to nap at lunch, DO that.

    Try to bring value to him if you can (don’t pay him $ tho lol), like if you can let him crash on your couch to save him a cab ride home after the bar, show up on time when you guys are meeting up…but honestly the only real value you need to give him is enthusiasm and a positive attitude. That’s all we want from dudes we go out with. You’d be AMAZED at how hard it is to find a solid wing who’s always upbeat and positive and actually approaches even if he gets shot down.

    My best wing just moved away so I’m going to be building a social circle from the ground up in a new city and even night I go out a bunch of dudes want to be my new BFF because I’ll just intro them to random girls and stuff. But a lot of them are negative, complain, hard to get to come out regularly, make a ton of excuses not to approach, drag my energy down, get wasted, get wasted and get into fights, etc.

    I would 1000000% rather have a total newbie who doesn’t know his head from his ass in the game, but who’s got a smile on his face and an upbeat attitude and is eager to go out and practice and set goal and work on his game, than guys like your RSD crew who are ego-protecting all night and not approaching and making excuses and sniping negative comments and getting drunk and crossing their fingers.

    It’s okay to bomb in front of him. He’s been there, we all bomb, and we respect guys who aren’t afraid to bomb because we know how much balls it takes to fuck up in front of other dudes and out in public and in front of hot girls.

    For whatever reason (probably your goal-setting and drive in general to handle this), buddy here has taken an interest in mentoring you. Don’t waste this opportunity at all. One of the guys I learned the most from was an amazing Natural I became close friends with for like 2 years (heading out multiple nights a week together to hit up girls) who wanted to hang out just because he respected that I would approach like he does and that I would try to occupy girls he’d throw at me and throw him girls to occupy.

    Skip to 29:50, here’s Tyler stressing what to do when you find a mentor and how to offer value to them and what their mindset is when they meet a guy like you and how he got Mystery to mentor him for free:

    RSD churns out a lot of retards these days. Their actual knowledge is tight, but since pickup went mainstream there are a lot of morons getting into it who just skim a few catch phrases like “self-amuse!” “call her a dog!!” and run with it without learning legit game. Like I say, when I got into this, and when Tyler and all the oldschool guys did, we all knew “this is something that’s going to take YEARS of my life to handle”. A lot of guys go into it now expecting to handle it in a couple months of acting socially retarded lol What RSD teaches is still rock solid in terms of human psychology and social dynamics, but their stuff is very easy to take and warp into acting like a social retard, esp when guys who don’t use critical thinking hear it lol

    Sounds like your buddy got into it before it went so mainstream, he’s the kind of guy PUA is supposed to ideally produce. Just a cool outgoing social guy, with an underlying base of tactical/strategic skills in terms of knowing how to work groups and build attraction and escalate and pull. Even if you never see the guy again, use his vibe as inspiration for what you can achieve if you stick to this, even if that might take a few years to get to where it’s as effortless for you as it is for him. But it’s like hitting the gym, if you lift heavy weights, you’ll get bigger, that’s just how it works.

    Good luck, sometimes going out pays off in ways besides vagina lol a good wingman is worth like 10000 chicks.

    Have fun, and keep attempting that story. It’s okay to fuck it up, you’ll absolutely fuck it up. It’ll probably take you telling it 10x before you even come off normal/congruent to saying it, let alone getting a positive reception. That’s the point of telling the story right now, is to work on your storytelling skills…if I’ve never ridden a bike before, I’m going to keep falling off and skinning my knees the first 20 times I try riding it. I can’t get better at riding that bike if I fall a few times and then go sit under a tree and just stare at that bike scared to fall off again. Throw a bandaid on your knee and get back on it. ;)


  • YaReally
    on July 22, 2014 at 8:13 pm
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    @Hunter
    Big response in mod for ya. The jist of it is: GO TO INDUSTRY NIGHT WITH THIS DUDE. lol. Go into work/school tired, it’s fine, don’t turn down this guy’s offers ’cause if you turn him down a few times he’ll stop offering. You’ll only meet dudes like this guy once every few years at the most.


  • apollohaan
    on July 22, 2014 at 11:15 pm
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    I love tons of the material rsd puts out but ive always felt its a little complicated to remember while you’re drinking and feeling approach anxiety.
    Why were you telling someone else’s story?


    • YaReally
      on July 23, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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      “I love tons of the material rsd puts out but ive always felt its a little complicated to remember while you’re drinking and feeling approach anxiety.”

      It is, that’s why you take it a day at a time. :) Guys should go into pickup expecting to take YEARS to get good at it, not just “I’ll read all this stuff and apply it this weekend and be good at it”. You’re only ever going to even remember (esp when you’re staring a gorgeous girl in the eyes face to face) like 1% of it in the moment and fuck up applying it the first bunch of times. But over time you get better and stuff starts going on autopilot and you start piecing it all together and then you get to the point where 90% of it is on autopilot and that’s where it’s powerful as fuck.

      “Why were you telling someone else’s story?”

      When you’re new, you often don’t really know what a “good” story is. It’s like someone learning how to write jokes with good punchlines and dramatic buildups etc. Anyone can write a joke, but it can help to have someone review your joke and help you cut out pointless bits and enhance other bits and add some extra stuff that helps get the impact you want. Same with writing a speech etc.

      So Hunter posted a story of his and I just spit back my version of it and he’s trying that version out because my version has a lot more game concepts built in and it’s more efficient and hits the right notes etc. But it’s not his story and he’s not confident in his storytelling skills yet so he’s going to come off awkward telling it the first like 10-20 times until he gets used to it and then he should get better results from it. It’s not a magic “girls will jump on my dick” story, it’s just a short little routine he can use to practice and get more confident in his storytelling skills so he can craft and tell other stories.

      Often when you’re starting out you don’t have a lot of stories because you haven’t done anything with your life. When I started out, for the first few months or a year or whatever, I was telling stories that my natural buddies told me but replacing them with me in the stories so it sounded like I was doing cool shit lol Because up till then I had just sat in my cpu room and didn’t have any interesting stories about my own life. Then over time as I went out more and had more of my own adventures I was able to drop their stories and just use my own stories of shit that’s happened to me, that’s way more congruent, and I could tell those stories with the storytelling skills I had learned telling other people’s stories.

      And then I come on here and ramble for 20 pages about efficient storytelling, in the least efficient manner possible lol



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Hunter
on July 21, 2014 at 11:13 pm
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Alright, pretty mind-bending weekend.

Friday FR:

I meetup with my regular wings from daygame (more on that later) and we head to a bar/club. We all seem nervous to do night game. One of my regular wings starts acting weird (laughing at random shit that isn’t funny… he’s been watching Tyler’s videos as of late so I’m assuming he started watching one about self-amusement). I decided my goal for the night is to tell the story YaReally helped me make (hooray!).

Okay…

We were on the street and I start freaking out about putting my bad storytelling skills out there. Wings mean well (just open, mate! (he’s from the UK)), but it doesn’t do much. One of my wings opens a set on the street, I jump in to tell the story, but…

Me to cute girl (a 7.5ish): Hey, you’re cute.
HB7.5: Gee thanks…
Me: Just kidding, I’m much cuter.
HB7.5: lol oh?

And then I randomly do this shit…

Me: Alright, I’m going to tell you a story, let me know if it sucks. (seeking validation = bad)
HB7.5: Alright (makes a face as if preparing to be bored)
Me: (Takes a deep breath)… Arghh! i can’t do it. (i start cringing)
HB7.5: Uhmmmm
Me: I’m just trying to improve my storytelling skills… sigh…

Yeah that ends quick. We end up at another club, I’m still nervous. Ginger wing and other wing open two set, white and black chicks. One of the wings (let’s call him Femme Dude) intros me to black 6. I’m like cool, I’ll practice on her for real.

Me: Hey, hows it going?
HB: Good :)
Me: Are you crazy?
HB: Why?
Me: {Story}

I can see her face strain into pseudo amusement. Even after delivering Ya’s great punchline, it’s sort of a silent fake laugh. Like WOW that’s funny… not really lol

HB: Wow, some girls are crazy.
Me: Yeah…
HB: (turns back to my wing)

I’m like, oh well, at least I tried.

White chick starts giving me girl code. I come in closer and she turns away from Ginger wing. “Save me!” she says.

Me: Uh, yeah, sorry, I can’t help you :)
She makes weirded out eyes in Ginger wings direction.

I lol and the girls bail.

I proceed to approach a group of girls myself, but I don’t tell the story, thinking about what just occurred with black chick. Embarrassing.

We make our way to another bar and… I really can’t get myself to approach. I just psyche myself out for some reason. So I end up just standing there for a bit. Then I open this girl and tell her the same story.

Me: (story)
HB6.5: Wow lol (I think she’s tipsy…)
Me: Yeah, some girls are crazy. Some people just need-
HB6.5: (stops me) I’m actually gonna go, brb.

Fuck.

So yeah, didn’t tell any other stories for the rest of the night. All my wings are from RSD so they didn’t get laid either. But yeah… that was the night. However, I met a dude who’s gamed for a long-ass time, has access to supreme hotties (9s and 10s). Says he admires my goal-setting with the story-telling cuz the other RSD dudes are just anti-social. Doesn’t like RSD anymore (says their new stuff is just causing newbies to become anti social, but he really liked their latest vid on social circles.

He knows game REALLY well (all the terms) and literally had NO FEAR. He approached whoever he wanted, saw things I didn’t see. Told me that he would take me to one of the industry nights with the hottest girls and douchiest guys.

AlphaWing: The first week is just for you to just observe. These are girls in the industry (night club scene). They just got off work to come there. Girls are in pushup bras and tight shorts. Guys are ripped as fuck in tang tops. It doesn’t matter what you say or what I tell you to say, because it won’t work. Everyone is in mixed sets.

The second week, you’ll open a few groups. By the fifth week, you’ll see the matrix. You’ll wonder why you never lead before and you’ll never go back. Coming to these industry nights is how my game got to the next level.

He really loves RSD Todd and Derek.

Anyway, really learned a lot from this guy. Game isn’t hard. You have to be real and express yourself.

Saturday FR:

So I meetup with AlphaWing. The other RSD dudes aren’t out, except for GingerWing and this other guy who’s a model (PrettyBoy). GingerWing gets jealous that AlphaWing is paying more attention to me than him. Apparently AlphaWing offered him the same shit (to help him with his game), but GingerWing couldn’t handle the industry nights. I gladly take up the offer.

Anyway, he tells me ALL about the BS about getting into clubs. You can easily get in, just make shit up. Lines are to keep out the losers. It’s not personal, it’s just the way it is.

Tells me to try and get in this club. The first time doesn’t work, but the second and third time, I get him in and into this other one. I cut the line, walk straight to the front, laser eye contact, and I get in. Mind is blown lol

AlphaWing and I hit up more chicks. He approaches a seated group of girls, pulls a girl out and carries her/dances with her.

Afterwards he says to me: “Give value to her, man. Always be thinking about giving good emotions.”

He does this again with another group with one dude and all girls. Pulls the girl he wants out of the group. Dances with her in front of her friends. She’s loving it. I noticed he addressed the dude before coming in and then the dude invite him to their table.

Seated two-set. AlphaWing tells me to approach.

Me: Hey guys, let’s dance. (I hold my hand out.)
HB7.5: (Looks puzzled but intrigued.)
Me: It’ll be fun trust me.
Both: We’re good lol
I eject.

AlphaWing says to me, “Back already?”
Me: Well, yeah, it was my first set.
AlphaWing: Go back in.
Me:… Really?
AlphaWing: Go.

I go back in.

Me: Hey guys, just trying to have fun :D (qualifying here, but was nervous, was unsure what to say)
HBs: (nervous laughter)
AlphaWing swoops in and occupies the other girl. So, it’s me and the HB7.5.
Me (to her): You know what, I’m just gonna stand here, don’t worry about me (I lean back and pretend I don’t care about her anymore)
HB7.5: lol (? I’m guessing this is more nervous laughter)

So PrettyBoy swoops in and sits next to her. I look over at AlphaWing and (big surprise) his girl loves him. Then I look over at PrettyBoy and his girl is nodding, giving him the bitch face. Answering his questions, but not smiling.

So I leave, and so does AlphaWing. He says to me, “Look at PrettyBoy’s girl. She’s not smiling. Look, look. He looks better than both of us and look at him. Looks don’t matter.”

PrettyBoy leaves and then, AlphaWing says “wait for it.” After about 30 seconds, HB7.5 starts smiling again with her friend, as if PB never approached.

So, beforehand I text this girl I met through daygame to meetup tonight. Gave me the impression she was coming to the bar we were at alone but I should’ve figured she’d bring like 7 other chicks. Anyway, she’s on her way, but I was a bit nervous to be around her and her friends (I also kinda wanted to keep gaming with AlphaWing).

AlphaWing: Is she hot?
Me: Um, she’s alright.
AlphaWing: Just text her we’re leaving to another bar, we’ve been here for an hour.

I text her that. She says “I’m literally about to get in”

We head outside and AlphaWing tells me to meet her in line. I see her with her friends at the door. She’s really happy to see me (HB7) (she had also never been cold approached in her life). We hug and say we’ll meetup sometime for sure. Didn’t want to meetup with her before her party (she suggested drinks), but I was busy doing work, didn’t want to go out with her and then head out again.

After I leave, I get a text saying “Stay wit her, she’s cute.”

AlphaWing and I meetup and I say “I already told her I was leaving.”

“Should’ve stayed with her man. I could’ve easily occupied all the other girls.”

It’s fine though, I’m meeting up with her on Weds.

We get into another club. I see this girl and hop into another two-set.

Me: Hey (instant kino)
HB7.5: Lol (refuses it)
Me: Whats your problem?
HB7.5: I have a boyfriend.
Me: You can be my girlfriend for five minutes only.
HB7.5: Lol
Me: You’re Persian.
HB7.5: Peruvian.
Me: Nice, can you cook too.
HB7.5: (says something, can’t hear because of the music)
Me: Uh… well… okay bye. (??)

Got flustered. But at this point, I’m already pretty warmed up so…

Then I see this Hispanic(Italian?)girl that I was trying to makeout with earlier in the year. She’s with three other girls (one of whom is her aunt). Some black dude is mackin on her. I cut through him and say:

Me: I remember you!
HB8: From where?
Me: We were at bar X I was trying to kiss you.
HB8: Lol omg!
Me: I remember your face.

I try to physically escalate from there, but she’s not having it (moves back). I don’t react and say “I’ve changed” with a smirk.

Black dude comes in and says “I was just trying to say bye.”

I look him dead in the eye and say “Okay.”

From there I go for her aunt (lol) and I game her same way.
Aunt: I have a husband.
Me: Okay (wasn’t really into her).

I see black dude try and escalate on HBItalian but she’s not giving him any leeway. It’s like she’s teasing him or something (she definitely does this on a regular basis, it seems). I lock in against the bar, making it look like her aunt is gaming me.

Me: So, I’m too young for you, you say… who would you set me up with.
Aunt: My niece, HBItalian.
Me: Her over there? (she’s like right in front of us)
At this point the black dude gives up. I hold my hand out to HBItalian, she takes it and I move in to escalate again, she recoils.
HBItalian: Hey, like, keep this distance (makes a distance gesture)
Me: Yeah, don’t get too close.

And from there, I don’t know what else to say… but I could’ve just cold read her like “Have you been hurt before?” or something relationshippy like that and gone from there…

So, I bail:

Me: Well, gotta go, I’ll see you (try for hug).
HBItailian: (gives me dog pat hug)
Me: Wow really.
HBItalian comes in for another hug and I push her away.

I see her again outside after me, AlphaWing, and GingerWing leave the club. I reapproach and try to escalate again.

HBItalian: Lol where do you come from?
Me: I dunno.
HBItalian: You think you can just try and kiss me?
Me: Lol I haven’t even tried to do that.
HBItalian: I have a boyfriend.
Me: No you don’t lol
HBItalian: I’m 29.
Me: Really?????
HBItalian: …
Me: I think I want you even more.
HBItalian: lol

Now her crew is leaving, but weirdly it looks like she’s hesitating in leaving. I don’t catch it fast enough so she says “I guess I’ll see you around since you know my face so well :)”

I’m really not used to the whole teasing thing. This is where my verbals should’ve been stronger.

I approach a couple more sets in another bar.

Two set of Indian girls:

Me: Hey guys.
HB8: Hey, I don’t want to waste your time, we’re both married.
Me: Why are you guys married? It’s the 21st century.
HB8: (Face changes) Well, I’m sure my husbands coming so you better go (she pulls other girl back and away).
Me: I’m sure it’ll last very long.
Husband: Hey there.
Me: Hey (looking at his wrist, there’s a religious arm band), are you (religion name)?
Husband: Yes, I am! Wow, you’re very cultured (I’m black so… guess this is a surprise lol)
Me: Yeah, I also know Japanese and other stuff like that (me qualifying here lol)
Anyway, you guys have a good night.
Husband: You too man.

A couple of MILFs too. I ended up doing Todd’s FRED method inadvertently (didn’t do the decision part).

And didn’t go out Sunday because AlphaWing ended up hurting his back, and probably couldn’t have gotten into the higher end clubs/industry night without him. Of course, I had work the next day so… oh well, next Sunday.

I learned a shitload from AlphaWing. It’s really been a defining moment in this journey. Finally someone who’s BETTER than me that I can learn from who’s been around hotties and gaming for YEARS. He used to go out 5-6 nights a week, did a couple 30 day challenges too.

We’re gonna start going out regularly. Even though we didn’t get laid, I learned so much just from hanging with this guy. Lots of other stuff he shared, but basically, it’s hard to reach the other side, but once I do, I’ll be unstoppable.

Also didn’t game today because I wanted to try gaming alone. Didn’t work out. Need to figure out my game plan (I’ll do that tonight). Like YaReally said, I could throw my head against the wall, but the result won’t change. Toastmasters is tomorrow so that’ll help with my storytelling.

Also, pretty big revelation, I’m finding:

The RSD dudes I’ve been hanging with SUCK at game. It’s basically been a numbers game this whole time. One of my wings is a state-junkie, the others do the same thing I do (hope for a result).

I’m not as good as they are (they at least get laid, albeit not with super hot chicks), but whatever, I see the light now.

You’ll also notice that I didn’t tell my story again after Friday. I’ll give it another shot this weekend.


  • YaReally
    on July 22, 2014 at 8:10 pm
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    Ditch your RSD buddies and stick to this PUA dude like glue. They’re holding you back, he’ll help you move forward.

    Your buddies will probably get jealous/bitter and hate on you, but ignore it (“ok man”, “ya I guess, cool”, “sorry guys”, like no fucks given), it’s OKAY to be selfish and look out for your goals instead of banging your head against the wall with them. If any of my buddies said “yo I have this opportunity to better myself but it means I won’t be around much sorry”, I will go “dude, fucking best of luck, I hope it works man, props for taking charge of your life, someday when you come back we’ll kick ass together”. Any friends who don’t support your decisions aren’t productive friends to have in your life right now.

    Try to hang with him solo if that’s an easy option to do. Like if he invites YOU, don’t invite your other buddies to come with you. He already knows your buddies suck at this, even if he’s friends with them, and probably isn’t interested in babysitting them so don’t bring them out with you guys if he doesn’t say to. They’ll all be fighting for his attention and making bitter comments and neither of you need that energy. If buddy here has personally invited to take you with him to industry night, take him up on that and just take him up on your own. If a guy spends one on one time with me, he’s going to get better, because I’m going to try to bring him up to my level…if he brings a bunch of dead weight, then I’m going to probably do my thing and if he can sneak away from the group cool but if he can’t that’s his baggage to babysit.

    Accept every offer this dude gives you to hang out that you can, even if it’s just hanging out chillin’ like grabbing food or playing xbox or even if it’s scary like come to industry night or he’s got a double date lined up and needs someone to wing the other girl, whatever. Like, if you gotta’ work or study or whatever, cool, but otherwise even if your arm is falling off and you haven’t slept in a week, go meet up with him when he offers.

    Guys like that are too busy having their own fun to hound you and drag your ass out constantly…if you turn him down a few times he’ll just stop offering. If you have to go into work/school tired because Industry Night was a Sunday or Monday and you were out with him hitting up girls till 2 and you only got like 4 hours of sleep and have to nap at lunch, DO that.

    Try to bring value to him if you can (don’t pay him $ tho lol), like if you can let him crash on your couch to save him a cab ride home after the bar, show up on time when you guys are meeting up…but honestly the only real value you need to give him is enthusiasm and a positive attitude. That’s all we want from dudes we go out with. You’d be AMAZED at how hard it is to find a solid wing who’s always upbeat and positive and actually approaches even if he gets shot down.

    My best wing just moved away so I’m going to be building a social circle from the ground up in a new city and even night I go out a bunch of dudes want to be my new BFF because I’ll just intro them to random girls and stuff. But a lot of them are negative, complain, hard to get to come out regularly, make a ton of excuses not to approach, drag my energy down, get wasted, get wasted and get into fights, etc.

    I would 1000000% rather have a total newbie who doesn’t know his head from his ass in the game, but who’s got a smile on his face and an upbeat attitude and is eager to go out and practice and set goal and work on his game, than guys like your RSD crew who are ego-protecting all night and not approaching and making excuses and sniping negative comments and getting drunk and crossing their fingers.

    It’s okay to bomb in front of him. He’s been there, we all bomb, and we respect guys who aren’t afraid to bomb because we know how much balls it takes to fuck up in front of other dudes and out in public and in front of hot girls.

    For whatever reason (probably your goal-setting and drive in general to handle this), buddy here has taken an interest in mentoring you. Don’t waste this opportunity at all. One of the guys I learned the most from was an amazing Natural I became close friends with for like 2 years (heading out multiple nights a week together to hit up girls) who wanted to hang out just because he respected that I would approach like he does and that I would try to occupy girls he’d throw at me and throw him girls to occupy.

    Skip to 29:50, here’s Tyler stressing what to do when you find a mentor and how to offer value to them and what their mindset is when they meet a guy like you and how he got Mystery to mentor him for free:

    RSD churns out a lot of retards these days. Their actual knowledge is tight, but since pickup went mainstream there are a lot of morons getting into it who just skim a few catch phrases like “self-amuse!” “call her a dog!!” and run with it without learning legit game. Like I say, when I got into this, and when Tyler and all the oldschool guys did, we all knew “this is something that’s going to take YEARS of my life to handle”. A lot of guys go into it now expecting to handle it in a couple months of acting socially retarded lol What RSD teaches is still rock solid in terms of human psychology and social dynamics, but their stuff is very easy to take and warp into acting like a social retard, esp when guys who don’t use critical thinking hear it lol

    Sounds like your buddy got into it before it went so mainstream, he’s the kind of guy PUA is supposed to ideally produce. Just a cool outgoing social guy, with an underlying base of tactical/strategic skills in terms of knowing how to work groups and build attraction and escalate and pull. Even if you never see the guy again, use his vibe as inspiration for what you can achieve if you stick to this, even if that might take a few years to get to where it’s as effortless for you as it is for him. But it’s like hitting the gym, if you lift heavy weights, you’ll get bigger, that’s just how it works.

    Good luck, sometimes going out pays off in ways besides vagina lol a good wingman is worth like 10000 chicks.

    Have fun, and keep attempting that story. It’s okay to fuck it up, you’ll absolutely fuck it up. It’ll probably take you telling it 10x before you even come off normal/congruent to saying it, let alone getting a positive reception. That’s the point of telling the story right now, is to work on your storytelling skills…if I’ve never ridden a bike before, I’m going to keep falling off and skinning my knees the first 20 times I try riding it. I can’t get better at riding that bike if I fall a few times and then go sit under a tree and just stare at that bike scared to fall off again. Throw a bandaid on your knee and get back on it. ;)


  • YaReally
    on July 22, 2014 at 8:13 pm
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    @Hunter
    Big response in mod for ya. The jist of it is: GO TO INDUSTRY NIGHT WITH THIS DUDE. lol. Go into work/school tired, it’s fine, don’t turn down this guy’s offers ’cause if you turn him down a few times he’ll stop offering. You’ll only meet dudes like this guy once every few years at the most.


  • apollohaan
    on July 22, 2014 at 11:15 pm
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    I love tons of the material rsd puts out but ive always felt its a little complicated to remember while you’re drinking and feeling approach anxiety.
    Why were you telling someone else’s story?


    • YaReally
      on July 23, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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      “I love tons of the material rsd puts out but ive always felt its a little complicated to remember while you’re drinking and feeling approach anxiety.”

      It is, that’s why you take it a day at a time. :) Guys should go into pickup expecting to take YEARS to get good at it, not just “I’ll read all this stuff and apply it this weekend and be good at it”. You’re only ever going to even remember (esp when you’re staring a gorgeous girl in the eyes face to face) like 1% of it in the moment and fuck up applying it the first bunch of times. But over time you get better and stuff starts going on autopilot and you start piecing it all together and then you get to the point where 90% of it is on autopilot and that’s where it’s powerful as fuck.

      “Why were you telling someone else’s story?”

      When you’re new, you often don’t really know what a “good” story is. It’s like someone learning how to write jokes with good punchlines and dramatic buildups etc. Anyone can write a joke, but it can help to have someone review your joke and help you cut out pointless bits and enhance other bits and add some extra stuff that helps get the impact you want. Same with writing a speech etc.

      So Hunter posted a story of his and I just spit back my version of it and he’s trying that version out because my version has a lot more game concepts built in and it’s more efficient and hits the right notes etc. But it’s not his story and he’s not confident in his storytelling skills yet so he’s going to come off awkward telling it the first like 10-20 times until he gets used to it and then he should get better results from it. It’s not a magic “girls will jump on my dick” story, it’s just a short little routine he can use to practice and get more confident in his storytelling skills so he can craft and tell other stories.

      Often when you’re starting out you don’t have a lot of stories because you haven’t done anything with your life. When I started out, for the first few months or a year or whatever, I was telling stories that my natural buddies told me but replacing them with me in the stories so it sounded like I was doing cool shit lol Because up till then I had just sat in my cpu room and didn’t have any interesting stories about my own life. Then over time as I went out more and had more of my own adventures I was able to drop their stories and just use my own stories of shit that’s happened to me, that’s way more congruent, and I could tell those stories with the storytelling skills I had learned telling other people’s stories.

      And then I come on here and ramble for 20 pages about efficient storytelling, in the least efficient manner possible lol



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Hey yareally, Having A Bad Day, and Steve H. ran into a snag last week. Wanted your opionions.

I had a crazy experience this last week. Met this chick from online really cute, 8 with a smoking body.. And got her from email to phone conversation quickly. She told me that she is getting divorced 37 and her sister signed her up and she has not really done any dating let along online dating. Was able to have a great conversation and rapport lots of light hearted laughing and attraction.

She told me several times how different I was and refreshing. (props to CH). I even slipped into the conversation how some women annoy me because they want money and other things from me. Since this has been a problem with me in the past. She said nothing about this. So anyway we talked later that night and she sent me photos underwear stuff, she is in her 30′s but looks fucking awesome. Negged her a little, then talked and then went to bed. Rapport was strong but had not really done any type of comfort building or qualifying yet.

Got up the next morning and first thing I had was an email with the question. “So what kind of arrangement are you looking for” I thought oh shit another gold digger and this chick seemed really cool as well as cute and now this bullshit. So i did not answer for two days. Then I texted her. Here is the exchange:

Me: Hey trouble 6:14 PM
Her: Hey TROUBLE #2 6:25 PM
Me: Haha…I gotta be me 6:26 PM
Her: Yes sir 6:31 PM
Me: That’s a good girl. 6:32 PM
Me: Just got back from xxxx. ..tired 6:33 PM
Her: Luv that place get a red bull and toughen up!:-) heading to xxxx for girls weekend right now woohoo.. Lotsa Red Bull 6:34 PM (red flag she was with her girlfriends in the car, bad timing I should have dropped conversation here)
Me: Going xxxxx in the morning… 6:38 PM
Me: ….trouble. ..where you staying and when you get back 6:39 PM
Her: Nice. The xxxx back on Sunday night 6:45 PM
Her: And by the way you never answered my email question 6:47 PM
Me: Let’s meet up next week 6:50 PM (trying to ignore it and plow through)
Her: No not until you answer the email question 6:51 PM
Me: What question 6:52 PM
Her: Please check your email 6:53 PM
Me: Haha are you serious 6:54 PM (still trying to get past what I think is a shitty request)
Her: Yes does it make you want me? 7:02 PM
Me: Haha…your not one of those gold diggers are you 7:03 PM
Her: What the hell you talking about? 7:04 PM (evidently I was mistaken about her intention)
Me: I am looking for a deeply passionate affair…I am interested in you and to see where it will take us 7:06 PM
Her: Oh wait a minute you think I’m one of those kind of girls . Now you l have offended me . 7:06 PM (at this point I am fucked since she is probably being egged on by her you go girlfriends)
Her: You have offended me by calling me a gold digger. I don’t need a man to take care of me 7:08 PM (yep she is showing off now)
Me: Actually I did not think you were that kind of girl…I was responding to your question 7:08 PM
Her: Please take me off your phone 7:08 PM
Me: Lighten up…I did not call you one I have been approached several times in the same way and that was the end result 7:10 PM (trying to recover)

I called her after this she picked up but just said she was offended and would not talk to me.

I think I fucked this one up but am going to try to contact her later in the week and see if she has calmed down and is ready to talk. You guys have said to make them feel and I think I did that pretty well. Now how would I get her back to the positive side.

My analysis is that I misjudged what she was asking because of previous goldiggers and should have not put it in such negative terms.

I also was busy doing something while texting so I did not pay attention well enough and calibrate properly.

And finally should have never got into any type of conversation while she was with her friends. Lessons learned the hard way.

Do you think I can salvage this? What would you guys do?


  • YaReally
    on July 22, 2014 at 11:20 am
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    @Reco
    Sloppy game gets sloppy results lol All your “I should have–”s are correct.

    She asked a weird question but I would have just replied “Fun with no drama.” to her E-Mail. You went into logic mode and 1) fell into her frame, and 2) tried to have a logical discussion with her and get her to basically promise you she isn’t a gold-digger or looking for money etc. There’s no need for that. That’s the same as getting a girl to agree she’s going to have sex with you before you meet up. Just give a vague “nothing serious, I don’t have a lot of free time these days” and get a meet-up. If SHE brings up money, then call her out on it, but even if she thinks you’re going to be her sugar daddy you can just ignore it until she actually says “so uhh I’m having trouble paying my rent this month…” and then you ditch her.

    That said, any girl who even hints at some kind of pay related arrangement, save all your txts and record some calls/dates/etc. with her incase she goes for the false rape extortion angle when you tell her “lol no fuck off with that” after banging her and she tries to get money out of you.

    You also failed at the end with the “Lighten up” explanation and the “Actually I did not–” explanation. There’s no logically discussing shit with her at that point. Best you could have done is something that would keep her hamster spinning like “lol knew it. And here I thought you were different.” and hope she starts defending herself but either way at that point you’re having an emotional/drama argument and she has her grrrl power friends supporting her and you’re not going to win it.

    Cut your losses, throw a Z in front of her name so she’s at the bottom of your phone list incase she txts you in a month but otherwise don’t waste your energy. You might be able to turn it around if she contacts you, but she’s shown that she’s pretty batshit ready to start drama. She’s not actually offended, she’s just a drama queen.

    I have a chick like this that I keep in touch with just for practice holding my frame and she does shit like this all the time. She’ll accuse me of random shit or misinterpret something I say as majorly offending me and tell me to have a nice life and not to txt her again etc. I just respond “lol” or “lol PMS today hey” or send her a “drama queen” image or turn it around on her with “oh look here we go with you overreacting and getting mad at me yet AGAIN. surprise fucking surprise the drama queen is upset lol txt me when you grow the fuck up.” where it’s so offensive that she wants to defend herself.

    But like, I’m doing that shit for fun/practice, I don’t recommend it lol


    • YaReally
      on July 23, 2014 at 10:37 pm
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      @Reco
      “By the way I think it was walawala who had the resolution to say stay away from any chicks over 35 they are such a pain in the ass. I am seeing this in about every one I have dealt with. It’s like they are locked into craziness and cannot find their way out. They have a total ecosystem that gives them all the support they need to stay in it. I think I am going to have to adopt this.”

      I agree completely. Guys my age (and women lol) make fun of me for going for the 20-25yo’s but that’s ’cause they haven’t been with many chicks and seen how damaged most girls become past 27. And like you say by that point they have a whole eco-system feeding it, it ain’t worth my time.

      23 is my sweet spot right now. Just old enough to not be retarded and often to like older men and be turned off by the young immature guys around them, but haven’t had the world crush their hopes and dreams yet. Plus ‘dem bodies gawdamn lol

      The irony is those damaged 30+yo chicks are the ones who throw the biggest tantrum that a guy like me isn’t interested in them (beyond banging) because I’m “supposed” to be because I’m their age and they have a pussy so what more do I expect from them. And if I hadn’t found game and met plenty of sweet amazing young chicks, I might settle for one of them…but why am I going to chain myself into a booth at McDonald’s when I can tour the classy restaurants and sample a bunch of different steak dinners instead?



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on July 20, 2014 at 4:24 pm
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Hey yareally, Having A Bad Day, and Steve H. ran into a snag last week. Wanted your opionions.

I had a crazy experience this last week. Met this chick from online really cute, 8 with a smoking body.. And got her from email to phone conversation quickly. She told me that she is getting divorced 37 and her sister signed her up and she has not really done any dating let along online dating. Was able to have a great conversation and rapport lots of light hearted laughing and attraction.

She told me several times how different I was and refreshing. (props to CH). I even slipped into the conversation how some women annoy me because they want money and other things from me. Since this has been a problem with me in the past. She said nothing about this. So anyway we talked later that night and she sent me photos underwear stuff, she is in her 30’s but looks fucking awesome. Negged her a little, then talked and then went to bed. Rapport was strong but had not really done any type of comfort building or qualifying yet.

Got up the next morning and first thing I had was an email with the question. “So what kind of arrangement are you looking for” I thought oh shit another gold digger and this chick seemed really cool as well as cute and now this bullshit. So i did not answer for two days. Then I texted her. Here is the exchange:

Me: Hey trouble 6:14 PM
Her: Hey TROUBLE #2 6:25 PM
Me: Haha…I gotta be me 6:26 PM
Her: Yes sir 6:31 PM
Me: That’s a good girl. 6:32 PM
Me: Just got back from xxxx. ..tired 6:33 PM
Her: Luv that place get a red bull and toughen up!:-) heading to xxxx for girls weekend right now woohoo.. Lotsa Red Bull 6:34 PM (red flag she was with her girlfriends in the car, bad timing I should have dropped conversation here)
Me: Going xxxxx in the morning… 6:38 PM
Me: ….trouble. ..where you staying and when you get back 6:39 PM
Her: Nice. The xxxx back on Sunday night 6:45 PM
Her: And by the way you never answered my email question 6:47 PM
Me: Let’s meet up next week 6:50 PM (trying to ignore it and plow through)
Her: No not until you answer the email question 6:51 PM
Me: What question 6:52 PM
Her: Please check your email 6:53 PM
Me: Haha are you serious 6:54 PM (still trying to get past what I think is a shitty request)
Her: Yes does it make you want me? 7:02 PM
Me: Haha…your not one of those gold diggers are you 7:03 PM
Her: What the hell you talking about? 7:04 PM (evidently I was mistaken about her intention)
Me: I am looking for a deeply passionate affair…I am interested in you and to see where it will take us 7:06 PM
Her: Oh wait a minute you think I’m one of those kind of girls . Now you l have offended me . 7:06 PM (at this point I am fucked since she is probably being egged on by her you go girlfriends)
Her: You have offended me by calling me a gold digger. I don’t need a man to take care of me 7:08 PM (yep she is showing off now)
Me: Actually I did not think you were that kind of girl…I was responding to your question 7:08 PM
Her: Please take me off your phone 7:08 PM
Me: Lighten up…I did not call you one I have been approached several times in the same way and that was the end result 7:10 PM (trying to recover)

I called her after this she picked up but just said she was offended and would not talk to me.

I think I fucked this one up but am going to try to contact her later in the week and see if she has calmed down and is ready to talk. You guys have said to make them feel and I think I did that pretty well. Now how would I get her back to the positive side.

My analysis is that I misjudged what she was asking because of previous goldiggers and should have not put it in such negative terms.

I also was busy doing something while texting so I did not pay attention well enough and calibrate properly.

And finally should have never got into any type of conversation while she was with her friends. Lessons learned the hard way.

Do you think I can salvage this? What would you guys do?


  • YaReally
    on July 22, 2014 at 11:20 am
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    @Reco
    Sloppy game gets sloppy results lol All your “I should have–“s are correct.

    She asked a weird question but I would have just replied “Fun with no drama.” to her E-Mail. You went into logic mode and 1) fell into her frame, and 2) tried to have a logical discussion with her and get her to basically promise you she isn’t a gold-digger or looking for money etc. There’s no need for that. That’s the same as getting a girl to agree she’s going to have sex with you before you meet up. Just give a vague “nothing serious, I don’t have a lot of free time these days” and get a meet-up. If SHE brings up money, then call her out on it, but even if she thinks you’re going to be her sugar daddy you can just ignore it until she actually says “so uhh I’m having trouble paying my rent this month…” and then you ditch her.

    That said, any girl who even hints at some kind of pay related arrangement, save all your txts and record some calls/dates/etc. with her incase she goes for the false rape extortion angle when you tell her “lol no fuck off with that” after banging her and she tries to get money out of you.

    You also failed at the end with the “Lighten up” explanation and the “Actually I did not–” explanation. There’s no logically discussing shit with her at that point. Best you could have done is something that would keep her hamster spinning like “lol knew it. And here I thought you were different.” and hope she starts defending herself but either way at that point you’re having an emotional/drama argument and she has her grrrl power friends supporting her and you’re not going to win it.

    Cut your losses, throw a Z in front of her name so she’s at the bottom of your phone list incase she txts you in a month but otherwise don’t waste your energy. You might be able to turn it around if she contacts you, but she’s shown that she’s pretty batshit ready to start drama. She’s not actually offended, she’s just a drama queen.

    I have a chick like this that I keep in touch with just for practice holding my frame and she does shit like this all the time. She’ll accuse me of random shit or misinterpret something I say as majorly offending me and tell me to have a nice life and not to txt her again etc. I just respond “lol” or “lol PMS today hey” or send her a “drama queen” image or turn it around on her with “oh look here we go with you overreacting and getting mad at me yet AGAIN. surprise fucking surprise the drama queen is upset lol txt me when you grow the fuck up.” where it’s so offensive that she wants to defend herself.

    But like, I’m doing that shit for fun/practice, I don’t recommend it lol


    • YaReally
      on July 23, 2014 at 10:37 pm
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      @Reco
      “By the way I think it was walawala who had the resolution to say stay away from any chicks over 35 they are such a pain in the ass. I am seeing this in about every one I have dealt with. It’s like they are locked into craziness and cannot find their way out. They have a total ecosystem that gives them all the support they need to stay in it. I think I am going to have to adopt this.”

      I agree completely. Guys my age (and women lol) make fun of me for going for the 20-25yo’s but that’s ’cause they haven’t been with many chicks and seen how damaged most girls become past 27. And like you say by that point they have a whole eco-system feeding it, it ain’t worth my time.

      23 is my sweet spot right now. Just old enough to not be retarded and often to like older men and be turned off by the young immature guys around them, but haven’t had the world crush their hopes and dreams yet. Plus ‘dem bodies gawdamn lol

      The irony is those damaged 30+yo chicks are the ones who throw the biggest tantrum that a guy like me isn’t interested in them (beyond banging) because I’m “supposed” to be because I’m their age and they have a pussy so what more do I expect from them. And if I hadn’t found game and met plenty of sweet amazing young chicks, I might settle for one of them…but why am I going to chain myself into a booth at McDonald’s when I can tour the classy restaurants and sample a bunch of different steak dinners instead?



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Text analysis if some of you could, back story is after I got her number at the airport at 5am saturday she had a party/catchup with family planned for Saturday/sat night but she said she’d be free sunday morning to hangout and that I should call. Texted her instead. Stuff inside [ ] is my commentary/background

MP 10:21am: Good morning
Her 11:03: Good morning ;)
MP 11:33: How was last night? You didn’t fall asleep at the party did you?
Her 11:40: It went all the way till 3 blah blah blah
MP 11:54: Wow, good effort haha, you’re not too tired to hang out today I hope
Her 12:23: Where are u thinking to take me ^^
MP: 12:36: 2 options, Dayboro pub for lunch and then Mt mee lookut because it’s got an amazing view, [descriptive emotive language] but it’s an hour out there and it might be too cold for you [I was planning on taking her on a motorcycle date], other option is a vade I like in fortitude valley and then southbank park, we can do either or both if you’re up for it :P
Her: 12:43: Mt Mee sounds lovely ^^
Her: 12:43: What time u wanna go? I’m at sunday market atm, will get back to Robertson at 1:30 I think
MP 12:45: how’s 2 or 2:30?
Her 12:46: Sounds good :)
MP 12:47: Text me your address, wear jeans and a scarf if you have one and dress warmly, [issuing commands here] I have a jacket for you but bring a jumper as well,
Her: 12:54: Ok, I think it’ll be alright
MP 2:16: Running a tad late
Her 12:26: its ok ;)

After this we went on the date and did date stuff. I tried to keep to the rule about giving a bit of time in between texts but I kinda had to keep the intervals short because it was late in the arvo anyway and we were running out of daylight to go up to the mountain lookout. When we got back to the city I bounced locations twice and we ended up in a park laying on the grass by the river making out, feeling each other and chatting. Around ten I say that it’s cold and we should continue this conversation at her place. She says we can’t cause she’s staying with her aunt and uncle (fair enough), so I take her home on the bike.

Halfway home we’re waiting at a set of lights and she says there’s girls in the car next to us checking me out. I blew the girls in the car a kiss and decide to pop a wheelie as the lights go green, the girl i’m riding with squeals but I could tell she enjoyed it. Dropped her home, made out again, made plans to see each other again. 10 minutes after I get home I get another round of texts.

Her 11:30: Are u home?
MP 11:31: Nah, been cruising around trying to pick up another cute doctor ;-D [she's a doctor btw], been home for half an hour now
Her: 11:32: lol any luck in bringing one home ;P
MP: 11:34: Funnily enough there’s nit much happening on a sunday night, might have to try a Friday or Saturday night next

Herein I break the rule about not texting twice and I already know I’m not being brief enough in my texts but my game during the date was smooth and jerky enough that I felt I could get away with texting again ten min later cause she wasn’t responding

MP 11:44: Sorry about the wheelie earlier as well, didn’t mean to scare you
Her 23:45: no it was alright, don’t have to apologise I was encouraging it by telling u the girls are interested :P
MP: 11:49: I thought i’d give you all a bit of a show and give you a bit of excitement, sounded like it worked huh? hehe
Her: 11:51: I got a thrill from it ^^
MP 12:00: Oh good, i’d hate for you to think I was a boring safe rider or anything :p [almost the entire time she was on the back of the bike I was speeding, lane splitting and overtaking cars at anywhere up to 40 over the speed limit so I definitely wasn't being boring before the wheelie]
Her 12:06am: Definitly not a boring driver when I nearly fell of for the first time lol
MP: 12:11: That’s just part of my charm, I’m going to bed, had a lot of fun today [making statements about going to bed and giving her a little bit of beta game as she seems to need it]
Her 12:12: :) me too good night

Analysis, I need to try and keep them short but she’s not giving me much to work with so I feel I have to type more than I should, I try to limit my use of smileys but as I mentioned with my jerk boy alpha in person game I feel I can get away with a bit of beta baiting through text.

Any comments or suggestions from CH, yareally or any of the other gurus would be appreciated.


  • Modern Primitive
    on July 20, 2014 at 10:14 pm
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    Also, have maintained radio silence since her last text, thinking I either wait for her to text me or only text when I want to organise the next date.


    • YaReally
      on July 22, 2014 at 11:25 am
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      Why didn’t you bang her at your place?



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Text analysis if some of you could, back story is after I got her number at the airport at 5am saturday she had a party/catchup with family planned for Saturday/sat night but she said she’d be free sunday morning to hangout and that I should call. Texted her instead. Stuff inside [ ] is my commentary/background

MP 10:21am: Good morning
Her 11:03: Good morning ;)
MP 11:33: How was last night? You didn’t fall asleep at the party did you?
Her 11:40: It went all the way till 3 blah blah blah
MP 11:54: Wow, good effort haha, you’re not too tired to hang out today I hope
Her 12:23: Where are u thinking to take me ^^
MP: 12:36: 2 options, Dayboro pub for lunch and then Mt mee lookut because it’s got an amazing view, [descriptive emotive language] but it’s an hour out there and it might be too cold for you [I was planning on taking her on a motorcycle date], other option is a vade I like in fortitude valley and then southbank park, we can do either or both if you’re up for it :P
Her: 12:43: Mt Mee sounds lovely ^^
Her: 12:43: What time u wanna go? I’m at sunday market atm, will get back to Robertson at 1:30 I think
MP 12:45: how’s 2 or 2:30?
Her 12:46: Sounds good :)
MP 12:47: Text me your address, wear jeans and a scarf if you have one and dress warmly, [issuing commands here] I have a jacket for you but bring a jumper as well,
Her: 12:54: Ok, I think it’ll be alright
MP 2:16: Running a tad late
Her 12:26: its ok ;)

After this we went on the date and did date stuff. I tried to keep to the rule about giving a bit of time in between texts but I kinda had to keep the intervals short because it was late in the arvo anyway and we were running out of daylight to go up to the mountain lookout. When we got back to the city I bounced locations twice and we ended up in a park laying on the grass by the river making out, feeling each other and chatting. Around ten I say that it’s cold and we should continue this conversation at her place. She says we can’t cause she’s staying with her aunt and uncle (fair enough), so I take her home on the bike.

Halfway home we’re waiting at a set of lights and she says there’s girls in the car next to us checking me out. I blew the girls in the car a kiss and decide to pop a wheelie as the lights go green, the girl i’m riding with squeals but I could tell she enjoyed it. Dropped her home, made out again, made plans to see each other again. 10 minutes after I get home I get another round of texts.

Her 11:30: Are u home?
MP 11:31: Nah, been cruising around trying to pick up another cute doctor ;-D [she’s a doctor btw], been home for half an hour now
Her: 11:32: lol any luck in bringing one home ;P
MP: 11:34: Funnily enough there’s nit much happening on a sunday night, might have to try a Friday or Saturday night next

Herein I break the rule about not texting twice and I already know I’m not being brief enough in my texts but my game during the date was smooth and jerky enough that I felt I could get away with texting again ten min later cause she wasn’t responding

MP 11:44: Sorry about the wheelie earlier as well, didn’t mean to scare you
Her 23:45: no it was alright, don’t have to apologise I was encouraging it by telling u the girls are interested :P
MP: 11:49: I thought i’d give you all a bit of a show and give you a bit of excitement, sounded like it worked huh? hehe
Her: 11:51: I got a thrill from it ^^
MP 12:00: Oh good, i’d hate for you to think I was a boring safe rider or anything :p [almost the entire time she was on the back of the bike I was speeding, lane splitting and overtaking cars at anywhere up to 40 over the speed limit so I definitely wasn’t being boring before the wheelie]
Her 12:06am: Definitly not a boring driver when I nearly fell of for the first time lol
MP: 12:11: That’s just part of my charm, I’m going to bed, had a lot of fun today [making statements about going to bed and giving her a little bit of beta game as she seems to need it]
Her 12:12: :) me too good night

Analysis, I need to try and keep them short but she’s not giving me much to work with so I feel I have to type more than I should, I try to limit my use of smileys but as I mentioned with my jerk boy alpha in person game I feel I can get away with a bit of beta baiting through text.

Any comments or suggestions from CH, yareally or any of the other gurus would be appreciated.


  • Modern Primitive
    on July 20, 2014 at 10:14 pm
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    Also, have maintained radio silence since her last text, thinking I either wait for her to text me or only text when I want to organise the next date.


    • YaReally
      on July 22, 2014 at 11:25 am
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      Why didn’t you bang her at your place?



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ray
on July 17, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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Lots of badly needed, straightforward reality in this article about attraction. However, you depart from the truth when it comes to your own personal interest/bias (just as the fems depart from the truth in areas that serve themselves). Your Number One Son attractant is –

“Psychosocial dominance (game).”

I wouldn’t disagree with this, tho it’s debatable. However, psychosocial dominance is gained by men by living through challenging and difficult circumstances, producing real growth. It is a GRADUAL process derived directly from life experience. Telling teenage boys that this male dominance can be short-cut and faked through Game techniques does not produce such dominance, just a quick-fix that leads to many problems later — including STDs, legal hells, and the guaranteed psychological inflation that results from young men artificially believing that they are something they really aren’t.

Cheers.


  • YaReally
    on July 17, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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    @ray
    “psychosocial dominance is gained by men by living through challenging and difficult circumstances, producing real growth. It is a GRADUAL process derived directly from life experience. Telling teenage boys that this male dominance can be short-cut and faked through Game techniques does not produce such dominance”

    You mean the game techniques of going out and putting yourself in challenging and difficult social circumstances, producing real growth over a gradual process derived directly from life experience they gather with every approach we encourage them to make?

    You’re right, that probably WOULD help. I don’t really know what your point is though…do you?



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YaReally
on July 17, 2014 at 2:43 pm
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B-but CH…what if I get down to 6% bodyfat from 7%??? This one time a girl smiled at me when I left the gym so I know this game stuff doesn’t matter. It’s all looks. I know this good-looking guy and girls come up to him at the bar when I’m standing beside him being a quiet chode sipping my drink and feeling sorry for myself because of my shitty genetics and he has SEX with these girls!! So ok maybe looks don’t “matter” but I mean, they definitely DO matter.

“People who understand the dangers of an overabundant diet of mass-media images can stop gorging on Playboy, People, Sex and the City, or Dancing with the Stars.”

That’s one way to look at it. I know a guy who’s settling down with an average 6 looking plain jane wife and he’s told me he’s avoiding going out around hot girls because seeing them makes him feel like his plain 6 wife is ugly when he gets home and wants to just move to the suburbs to isolate himself and avoid temptation and he hopes his libido dies off soon so he won’t be tempted to fuck around.

And that’s what the PC crowd would like us to do. Because to them all those models and shit are magical fantasy beings that don’t actually exist, because they know they could never get them. Every one of the models in some magazine is a girl that’s out there living her life day to day and is fucking SOMEONE. If you have some decent game and find a way to get access to the places that girls like that spend their time, there’s no reason that guy fucking them can’t be you.

So I choose to look at it as motivation. Instead of settling for a 6 and avoiding looking at other girls who make her seem ugly, I choose to keep looking for a 9 or 10 who IS the girl who makes other girls seem ugly to me.

Life is too short to waste it aiming low.


  • K
    on July 17, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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    you are confusing ‘looks’ with ‘confidence’. being good-looking does help your confidence levels, but being good-at-something does too. and confidence on a man IS hot.
    stop sipping your drink and feeling sorry for yourself. redirect your energy into self-improvement, not necessarily at the gym. you can be the worlds best starcraft player and a 10 somewhere will want you.
    what CH says here is absolutely true, but there are 3 minor caveats:
    1. height (most short men have an obvious issue with self-confidence)
    2. race (most non-white men have a visible inferiority complex, especially in traditionally white societies but not vice-versa)
    3. comb-overs


    • YaReally
      on July 17, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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      @K
      “but being good-at-something does too. and confidence on a man IS hot.”

      Agreed, but the problem is that confidence in one area generally doesn’t translate to another area. Take that super confident bartender that slays poon every night and put him in a grocery store during the day with a hot girl standing in the cereal aisle and he’s as shy and full of anxiety as the next guy. And that’s a guy who’s job involves flirting with women, so he has a better shot at carrying that confidence over than most people. Take a guy who’s like, an amazing rock-climber and has scaled Mount Everest. That guy is a badass boss, but at the bar he’s likely going to be sipping his beer too scared to say hello to the cute blonde beside him.

      I see it every night out. In fact one of the reasons I don’t really hate on AFC guys I meet at the bar and like to randomly introduce girls to them, is because most of the time those guys are actually really cool guys, in their particular element. I met one dude who told me he taught in a foreign country for a while and knew all this cool shit about the history there and had all these badass life experiences and I was like man, a guy would be LUCKY to meet this dude. But a chick was checking him out and he refused to accept that she would be into him and was too scared to approach her so I had to introduce them and even then he dropped the ball and didn’t go home with her.

      A lot of guys try to get really good at things that aren’t “talking to women” simply hoping that they get find the loophole to get around having to “talk to women” because “talking to women” and putting their ego on the line and risking rejection etc. is a lot scarier to them than spending a few more hours at the office earning $ or a couple more hours at the gym lifting weights hoping that being good at those things will help them avoid having to “talk to women” to get women.

      We’re all kings of our comfort zone…it’s just a lot more productive for getting laid, to make your comfort zone be “talking to women”. :)


    • YaReally
      on July 17, 2014 at 4:48 pm
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      @Zombie
      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+an+afc

      I’m not sure a guy too lazy to do a Google search when he’s already in a browser window is in much position to critique society’s downfall.


  • immoralgables
    on July 17, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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    Yo Ya, I’m kind of having an inner game sticking point and need guidance on where to go from here.

    This past few days I had a Game meltdown. All my leads went cold for the most part and it’s this vicious cycle where when one lead goes cold, the bad emotions/neediness caused by that spills into my interactions with the other leads and it keeps going from there.

    Now it’s to the point where I’m not in this happier headspace like I was in early June when I started the challenge. It’s like I’m on a revenge auto pilot that either needs validation from other girls to prove that the leads that have gone cold are foolish in fading away or just my new interactions have me in a negative headspace.

    The same thing happened to me last year and I think it’s from deviating away from the fundamentals (at least with daygame). Whenever I get momentum I start winging my interactions and get sloppy with the texting or I stop playing shit cool because in my mind I’m like “Oh she didn’t respond in three hours? Fuck this bitch I can just walk out the door and find another…Next!”

    So on one hand it’s liberating to feel this way, on the other I don’t have true abundance yet (just “paper abundance”) so it’s counterproductive. One example is asking for too much compliance too soon because my ego/confidence demands it.

    But that’s not helpful towards my goals and it’s a hindrance because after X amount of leads going cold (post-bang, post day 3, post solid initial interaction, etc) it’s started rattling my frame.

    So do I keep fucking going and just play it smart ie stop deviating from the fundamentals that make me initially successful?

    Or should I fallback and regroup a bit and get my mind right first?

    I did the latter last year but I used that as an excuse to not take action. Id like to keep plowing and get this sorted but past week has been kind of rough. I’ve improved too much since then and I’ve gone too far. I don’t want to let the momentum slip and damn, dealing with all these emotions is what I need to learn how to do.

    I know logically there will be future girls and I will no doubt improve, but emotionally it’s hard to believe it in the face of negative feedback.

    This is kind of like Icarus flying too close to the sun


    • YaReally
      on July 17, 2014 at 4:13 pm
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      @immoralgables
      Back off slightly (like a week, two weeks max) and regroup, then head out with a gameplan. You already know the solutions (you’ve stopped running fundamentally solid game), so more time off isn’t going to help you come up with solutions because you already HAVE them. So you don’t need a month or two off to “find yourself” or figure your shit out…you already have a theoretical gameplan, you just can’t execute it right now because your ego is butthurt and it’s keeping you from executing properly.

      Personally I give myself time to be butthurt. I learned it from chicks lol A girl breaks up and what does she do? She vents it all out to her GFs and downs a bucket of ice cream and cries and shit for a couple days, then a week later she’s just fine. She gave herself time to be sad which tells your brain that it’s okay to be sad sometimes. Guys tend to bottle it up and then next thing you know they’re failing out of school months later because they’re still depressed over that breakup but telling themselves they aren’t.

      The key, in my mind, is to allow yourself time to grieve and be butthurt and accept those emotions, embrace them and express them in a safe way (whether it’s confiding in a close friend, venting on a pickup forum, blasting angry music in your headphones, whatever), and then move on and start over. So back off for a week and let yourself be butthurt, then accept that your reality has changed and it’s time to start over with the fundamentals, and then hit the field again with that monkey off your back.

      When you get back into the field, start small. Accept that you suck and you have to start over. Do little missions, just get into sets, just practice cold reads, celebrate all the little shit. Try to stay in a set for 10 minutes not even trying to fuck the girl, and just celebrate that. Set a goal like opening 20 girls in a night and bailing after 30 seconds. Open with stuff that will purposely get you shot down. Try to get slapped lol Just set little goals that help you practice the fundamentals and don’t have the validation-based outcome requirement of “this needs to lead to a good response and a solid phone number and sex”. You’re starting over, revisiting the fundamentals, going back to your foundation and re-enforcing it from the ground up.

      You’ll get back up to where you were eventually, and your foundation will be even stronger for it.

      If it’s any consolation, I lost my favorite girl last week (she boyfriended up but our sexxin was so good that I figure I’ll hear from her within 6 months lol) and fucked up with a new girl (ran sloppy game, zero sexual vibe, friendzoned myself, rookie shit lol), so I was super bummed the first couple days and just threw myself into my work while I let myself grieve at the loss, and there’s still a little hint of feeling blue right now, a week later. I may even be a little down this weekend. But that’s okay, because hey, now I can open with “Hey girls, I just got dumped. Tell me I’m beautiful. :(” lol and I’ll probably meet some cute chick or have some fun interactions. Maybe I won’t get laid, maybe I won’t even get a number, hell maybe I’ll just spend the night trying to shake off the cobwebs and trying to force myself to approach.

      But the next week will be better, and the next will be better, and in a month I’ll be right back to where I was when I was kicking ass. The game will put you through the highest highs and the lowest lows…learn to love the lows and reframe them as opportunities to grow stronger, because the alternative to that up and down rollercoaster is a life of monotonous mediocre predictability.

      Good luck dude!



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My aunt lent me her California beach house last summer. She lives out of state with her husband and kids and was going to be too busy to use it. I’d never been, but I was told, by members of the family, that it had the most beautiful view of the Pacific Ocean. I make decent money, but my aunt is drug dealer rich. Her two town cars in the garage were a Rolls Royce and an Austin Healey convertible. Ya know…something basic.

Anyways, I went up with a girl on the first weekend. The other homes looked decent, but pulling up to the driveway, I could hear her gasp. She probably got wet on the spot. We went inside, got situated, and went onto the patio with drinks. It truly is the best view I’ve ever seen in my life. We enjoyed the sound of sea gulls, the wind, and the crashing of the waves. The only thing she said to break the silence were derivatives of “I like you”. Before we could even finish our drinks, she took my pants down and blew me. I felt like Magnum, P.I. staying at Robin Masters’.

I brought up seven other girls that summer, with none going more than twice. It was an exact science. Pull up, set the bags inside, let her ogle. Get drinks, listen to the ocean, blowjob, dinner and more drinks. Bang. Bang. Bang. Rinse and repeat.

Girls who were feminine and sweet got to go that second time. Girls who irritated me got the bench. Here’s where dread game came in handy…the girls that texted and got no response knew where I was and knew I wasn’t there alone. They didn’t become infuriated and lose my number…they were just persistent until *I* gave in and I texted them back, turning them into my harem in the fall/winter lineup.

It is ALL about power. My humor, charm, and good looks have always gotten me a steady stream of pussy. But you introduce a mansion, a couple nice cars, and the illusion that “Hey…you keep dating this guy and this could all be yours”, and there is no aphrodisiac more powerful.

This was just the illusion of power, fellas. It’d be an even sweeter deal if that beach house was mine. As for Aunt Sally, if she ever phones to talk to her favorite nephew, that call will never be screened.


  • YaReally
    on July 17, 2014 at 9:36 pm
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    Same result (new girls consistently boning pretty much immediately after they enter your place and persisting when you ignore them because they know you have other girls over and they wish they were the ones being allowed to come over) can be duplicated in a shitty little apartment.

    That’s not to take away from how awesome it feels to have a swank place and if that’s something a guy wants to obtain for himself one day, that’s cool, he should definitely go for it.

    But for the guys who don’t have it, understand that you don’t need it. You can get the same results by just running solid game and learning to create stronger emotions in girls and learning to spot and create escalation opportunities faster. Sure, it takes some work to learn, but that mansion and those cars took work to earn.


    • YaReally
      on July 18, 2014 at 10:11 am
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      @Kant
      I’ve only ever heard of Shock & Awe used in the context of opening (Apocalypse Opener by Ciaran). You did everything right but I would call your push at the end just normal LMR diffusing. Like at that stage you’re not building Attraction or anything, it’s already there that’s why she’s cuddled up to you kissing you, at that stage all the work has been done by your solid game leading up to it and now you’re just diffusing some Last Minute Resistance.

      The method you used is particular to that girl, some girls get super turned on hearing a guy say he wants them and can’t resist them and god you’re so sexy and god I want to fuck you so bad bla bla. Like that’s a big turn-on for them when a guy says it, it makes them feel sexy and desirable etc. I actually ditched a fuckbuddy a couple months back because she loved that stuff and she had gotten annoying to me (showed up for a bone session completely hammered, tried to stay when I told her she had to go because I had work to do, etc.) so I didn’t want to tell her “oh babe I want you so bad mmmm” because I was actually thinking “fuck you’re annoying” lol

      Anyway, when you get to the LMR stage, at that point you’re feeling out what her personal blueprint is and calibrating to it. Does she want more Comfort first? Is she worried you’re not going to call her tomorrow? Does she trust you? Does she want you to state that you want her? Does she want you to play harder to get and tease more? Does she want you to just ravage her? Does she want you to play aloof and degrade her and make her chase you? Is she just shy/nervous and needs a bit more time to relax? Does she need a venue change? etc. etc.

      You hit the right blueprint for this chick, so it worked out great. But what one girl views as a sexy turn-on, another girl may view as needy desperation, so don’t go in thinking “I have this Shock & Awe technique that’ll get me the lay if she puts up some LMR”, go in thinking “I have this Shock & Awe technique I can try out but if it’s not working there are a bunch of other things I can try instead” and flip through your “rolodex” of techniques till you find the one that hits home for that particular girl.

      More information on the topic of diffusing LMR: http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-routines/closing/how-to-disarm-last-minute-resistance/

      Breakdown of your FR so you and other guys learning can fully understand just how much you did right here because this was all solid:

      “- matched on tinder, pushed quickly for meetup she agreed”

      Your first ioi from her was her matching you on Tinder. Second ioi was that she agreed to meetup so fast. If I get to this stage I assume she’s either a really outgoing social girl, or horny as fuck. Usually by the convo I can tell which, but I’ll poke a bit in person to figure it out so I know what I’m dealing with (an outgoing social girl who just has no qualms meeting up with guys she doesn’t really know will often take more demonstrating value and warming up to get solid sexual Attraction, whereas a horny girl won’t take much).

      “- hb7.5 very cute girl, acts shy / hard to get, extremely high ASD kind of girl”

      Okay so that tells you she’s probably not a super ougoing social girl which means she’s the horny type who’s already into your look, but you’re just going to have to spend some time with her so she gets comfortable and then probably diffuse some LMR. Whereas with a less shy girl who’s more open about sex you might only have to just bust on her and tease her and build some good emotions and then lead her home to bang with no resistance.

      “- drink at bar near my place, then walk around my hood”

      Here you handled solid logistics (picking a bar near your place) and did a venue change (two venues), so you’re teaching her brain “when you enter new environments with me, nothing bad happens, so it’s okay to enter new environments with me”. You’re already stacking the deck in your favor compared to the guy who picks one restaraunt to stay at all evening and it’s on the other side of the city from the place where he intends to bang her.

      Also drinks and a walk let you build a lot more comfort/rapport and display your personality more than going to a movie in a theater where you can’t talk and then driving her (less travelling time isolated together plus you have to pay attention to the road) to a formal high-end restaraunt where you can’t kick back and let loose together.

      “- very high ASD, won’t sit or stand very close to me, but I can tell she’s attracted”

      If you were a disgusting homeless person who smelled with rotting teeth, she wouldn’t even be in the room anymore, she’d have left. So if she’s still there, you have Attraction, but her avoiding jumping into the lion’s den tells you you’re going to have a night of diffusing LMR ahead of you lol

      A smokin’ hot 9 or 10 will also often not sit or stand very close to you, but usually that’s to see what you’ll do and how you’ll handle it. My buddy and I took home a 2-set and the hotter one completely thwarted him by sitting on the corner part of an L shaped couch, like the one seat where you can’t easily sit beside her, and he had no idea how to recover lol She liked him, but she was hot and she just wanted to see what he would do if she made it difficult for him. Mystery talks about this kind of thing a LOT.

      Your girl isn’t a super hot confident cocky chick who’s going to play games like that, and you have evidence to support that she’s just shy/frigid so you can extrapolate that she just needs some diffusing…and more importantly, because she’s still there, she WANTS you to diffuse all that for her. She’s HOPING you figure it out because she can’t help you with it (ASD).

      “- go up to my place for my cigarettes, end up staying to listen to music / drink”

      Perfect “let’s watch a movie” pull to your place. She can tell herself “oh we just went up to get cigarettes and it “just happened”. Even your wording is “end up staying to listen to music / drink” Because it feels more natural like you guys just “ended up” staying up there.

      Again this is very solid compared to a guy who’s like “so uhhh you wanna come up?” and gets the “What are we gonna’ do?” and he freezes up because he’s like “uhh shit, I just want to bone but I guess I can’t say that ummm…” lol

      “- wont kiss me the first couple times i try, I act nonplussed about it”

      Solid handling of it. I get the cheek all the time. You just play it unreactive like you have no fucks to give instead of being butthurt or apologizing or making it weird, and then try again a few min later. If she’s still there after you’ve gotten the cheek, that’s her telling you “I’m cool with this, I WANT to make out with you, but you haven’t handled the thing that’s holding me back from being able to do it yet, please figure this puzzle out so we can make out!!” If she hated you she would make up an excuse to leave or shut down so hard that it gets so awkward you have to offer to call her a cab.

      Compare that to a lot of guys who will freak out and feel “rejected” because they didn’t get the kiss on the first try and panic or apologize or DISCUSS it (good god) etc. I have a buddy who keeps doing this, he’s scared to go for the kiss because he might get the cheek and I’m like dude I’ve gotten the cheek from a girl like 20x in one night before we finally make out and hooked up. It’s no big deal, she’s just not quite ready yet but if she sticks around then she’s into it, she just needs some more work is all.

      “- I notice she lets me rest my hands on her next to her pussy, on her ass etc. and we both have work early next morning but she’s not leaving. I get the feeling that this is an extremely high ASD girl who wants to be dominated by a strong guy”

      Probably a good read. I like to caveman for the makeout in these situs, but then I’ll calibrate based on how she responds to that for whether to keep cavemanning through to sex so I don’t accidentally come off all rapey lol Like if I caveman the kiss and she loves it and then I pin her against the wall and she loves that, then I bite her neck and ravage her etc. and she’s loving it all then cool, caveman away. But if I caveman her on the kiss and she likes it but she goes back to being super shy or I pin her against the wall and that’s where she kind of freezes up and isn’t enthusiastically consenting to it, I back off and recalibrate and try a more sensual approach.

      “- I caveman her for the make out, it works. she’s moaning and dry humping me”

      So this tells you she likes the caveman stuff. VS if she only went along with the makeout and that was it. Her throwing in a moan and dry hump is her way of communicating “I really like this, this is the type of sex I want to have, even if we aren’t quite having that sex at this point, this is what I’m into and want more of when we DO have sex” without having to verbalize it.

      “- Keep escalating, get to second but not third base. keeps rejecting escalation to her pussy but not leaving or stopping the hookup. I remember Ciaran’s shock and awe tactic and figure it’s exactly the right time for it”

      Classic PUA tactic is “fall back to the last stage of stuff she was okay with and do that stage for another 10 minutes, then try pushing forward again. Rinse and repeat until it works then rinse and repeat it for the next stage until you get to the actual lay.”

      Her rejecting the pussy play can be a physical thing like not quite being turned on enough to be dying for it (rinse, repeat technique handles that), or wanting to be teased a bit more first (kind of related to the last reason), or it can be a mental thing where she has one last puzzle to unlock and needs you to say or do something that disarms that last puzzle.

      In your case you tried showing massive sexual intent, but you also threw in a lot of really good stuff that isn’t really Shock & Awe related, which is the part I mainly wanted to break down:

      “- as per shock and awe, keep telling her shes so hot i can’t help myself around her, its all her fault etc.”

      Massive sexual intent here and blaming her for your Attraction. Classic stuff, this part is using the Shock & Awe concepts but usually you’d use it as the opener. Like a super-direct “wow, hold up, I had to come say hi, you’re phenomenal, bla bla” basically. I’m not super well-versed in it though so maybe Ciaran wrote about using it during LMR and I’m just not aware.

      “tell her i don’t want to do anything she doesnt want to do so she knows I would never force her to do anything”

      This is building comfort/trust and similar to Riker’s 3 Rules where you’re letting her know that you have self control. It’s verbally communicating the same thing you communicate when you back off rinse, repeat. Like a lot of times a girl will give you the cheek or push your hand away from her pussy or whatever just to see “is this a guy who, when I indicate that I’m not cool with something, he’ll back off and I can subsequently let go and feel safe allowing myself to be sexual with him because he’s shown me that if we go too far out of my comfort zone he’ll be aware of that and calibrate and back off? Or is this a guy who doesn’t get subtle signals of discomfort and tries to just plow through ignoring how I’m feeling and will basically end up raping me and I should get the fuck out of here?”

      So you’re basically verbalizing that you’re the first type here, but you’ve also already demonstrated that you’re the first type by not freaking out when she won’t kiss you and by not just pushing her hand out of the way and trying to finger her despite her resistance…Riker’s 3 Rules is a similar concept. So between the two of those things, you’ve very thoroughly communicated to her “I am confident and persistent, but I’m also calibrated and won’t make this a bad experience for you, you can trust me”, which I would say is a big part of what led her to now grant you access to her pussy. You’ve basically communicated “this will be fun, don’t worry”.

      “- shock and awe works very well and allows me to push the escalation much farther, start fingering her pussy. she moans “what do you want””

      This is basically instantly the indicator that she wants you to dirty talk and tell her all the sexy things you want to do to her etc. I’ll usually make these things really dominant caveman things to see how she reacts to my just describing that stuff. If she’s into it then I know what type of sex she likes, if she’s not then I can calibrate to that and maybe I have to be sensual with her or maybe she wants to do the teasing etc.

      “i say “i want you in every way”, shes moaning and shit. I think I was supposed to answer that I want to fuck her but I didnt get the hint”

      lol ya. No biggie, it’s all a done deal at this point. She just wanted to hear like “mmmm I want to fuck you SO bad…I want to bend you over this–” stuff.

      “- finally she says “do you want to fuck me” and i take this to mean this is your window do it now or never. so i basically pull the trigger, rip her pants off and get in her.”

      Because she asks specifically “Do you want to fuck me?” that means for whatever reason she loves hearing the words “I want to fuck you” from a guy, so if you bang in the future just make sure you repeat this kind of stuff…act like she’s turning you on and making you want to fuck her so bad etc. She basically gets to feel like your sexy stripper teasing and turning you on and hijacking your brain, so it’s a bit of a fantasy roleplay for her, and probably balances out her normally shy demeanor (ie – in bed when she trusts the guy she gets to let loose and feel sexy instead of during the day where she has to feel repressed etc.).

      I would encourage her to do more of this, like next time when she’s dry humping you and stuff TELL her “mmm I love when you do such and such, god you turn me on bla bla” and actually reward her for the things she’s doing, it’ll help bring her out of her shell more. I like girls who dress in sexy outfits/lingerie/etc. so I make sure to reward them if they do that stuff for me. Like if I have a shy girl who dresses pretty plain, but she’s thrown on some sexy underwear under her jeans because she WANTS to feel “naughty” but is just shy/nervous about it, as soon as I see that I’ll tell her they’re sexy and she looks so good in them and I bet she’d look so hot in bla bla lingerie/colors/outfit/hairstyle/etc. that I like.

      “- at this point no more asd, shes totally into it, we fuck like animals”

      Deservedly so. You handled everything solid…from stacking the deck in your favor, to calibrating on the fly. Well done!

      “- sent her comfort text in the morning. i actually liked her so I’d love to hang out with her again. she texted back so hopefully we’ll hang out again soon”

      Good stuff. Especially with a shy girl who’s stepping out of her comfort zone, you want to make sure she doesn’t feel used/cheap/slutty after the hookup so you don’t want to play aloof and not txt her for a few days. Get on that shit right away so she can put her “does he think I’m a slut? Did he just use me for sex?” worries at ease.

      “I’m curious, has anyone else employed shock and awe, either successfully or not successfully? I haven’t seen a lot of field reports that mention it. Would love to hear YaReally’s take on it”

      Like I say, I understand it as an Opener primarily. I’m not a big fan of using it to Open because it’s just not really congruent to my vibe (I tend to go more sarcastic/asshole and skeptical of her and let her slowly win me over VS being bowled over by her from the get-go), but I’ll drop similar stuff in once she’s won me over…like when I go for the makeout I’ll often say stuff like “I can’t resist, I’ve been wanting to do this all night, god it’s like you’ve hijacked my brain” etc. and I’ll use it in bed if the girl is into it (“mmm I can’t even think straight when you look at me like that…”) etc.

      I’d say the main thing with it is to just make sure it’s congruent by using it on girls you are legitimately super attracted to. Like Opening with it on a 6 that you’re just running through the motions, it’ll come off as more of a used car salesman badgering vibe. But if you see a girl that’s your own personal smokeshow and use it on her, it’s going to be super congruent to you and your sub-communications and that congruency is going to win her over.

      Tyler describes it as your thoughts, words and actions all being in alignment. Opening with Shock & Awe on an average/unimpressive girl means your words and actions are doing one thing but your thoughts aren’t aligned with them. But doing it on a turbo hottie is going to align your thoughts, words and actions and get better results.



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Hunter
on July 18, 2014 at 10:26 am
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@YaReally left a couple responses for you on “The Unhappy Women is a Feminist” post, if I link to it, the mods won’t show this comment lol


  • YaReally
    on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 am
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    Just want to drop a link to Todd from RSD’s stuff. Dude is doing a bunch of self-promotion right now so he’s got a lot of solid content up and I was checking it out. Guy has been around since The Game (he’s the guy sleeping in the tent in the book) and his stuff is interesting because he’s extremely extremely technical and extremely extremely boring lol He’s 5’7″ and has basically no charisma and even has a bit of an effeminate inflection in his voice when he’s talking to girls…so he’s a good candidate for following pure structure/technique in game to get results. He also relies heavily on screening and qualifying girls and getting them to chase/qualify themselves to him.

    Here’s a vid of him in-field:

    But this is the one I wanted to link, it’s like 2.5 hours long and covers his game from Open to Sex:

    The part of the vid above that I wanted to specifically highlight though, is his breakdown of reaching and getting the Hook Point. It starts at 1:31:40 in that vid.

    This is probably one of the best breakdowns of the Hook Point that I’ve ever heard and a lot of the guys having problems keeping sets going are having problems because they can’t reach the Hook Point, so this should help those guys a ton (aka Hunter, give this a watch).

    His structure is “FRED”:

    - Focus (getting her attention fully on you)

    - Relevance (making what you’re saying relevant to her life or something interesting to her, in a positive (value, like teaching her something relating something to her life talking about her, etc.) OR negative (threat, like teasing negs dominant talk causing drama etc.) way)

    - Emotion (getting her emotionally invested/reacting, good or bad)

    - Decision (forcing her to make a decision to stick around and invest in the interaction)

    He goes into breaking down why really fast “HEY. YOU. Come here.” Openers can often work. “HEY” is getting her Focus, “YOU” is making it Relevant to her specifically, commanding her “Come here.” with intensity in your eyes etc. is causing an Emotional reaction (often they worry they’re in trouble or something because of your tonality), and “Come here” while holding out your hand is forcing her to make a Decision to come over. So if she takes your hand and you pull her in, you’ve hit the Hook Point super fast, but you’ve executed the same shit that you would execute in a much slower indirect approach.

    He also explains self-amusement and how it doesn’t fully trigger all 4 pillars of the structure, but how it CAN lead to it, which is a great breakdown of how self-amusement often works but not always, and how you can tighten that up by combining self-amusement with following legit structure.

    So if you’re someone planning out some routines/stories/etc., think about “how am I going to Open, and how am I going to reach the Hook Point from there? Is there a way I could make my story more Relevant to her? How could I force her to make a Decision, what would be a good way to test that?” etc.

    Def give that part a watch. The rest of the video is great, but it’s 2.5hrs long so if you don’t have time for it at least check that Hook Point FRED stuff. Really really solid and directly applicable if you’re heading out this weekend.

    His stuff right after that about testing for her Blueprints (poking and testing for common Blueprints then calibrating more from there). I do a ton of that, it’s part of why my calibration is awesome. Really his whole game is fucking solid lol Watch the whole vid sometime if you want a good breakdown of fundamentals and technical shit.

    Happy Friday all, go out and talk to some hotties. Summer is half-over, don’t waste it watching Game of Thrones lol



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ray
on July 17, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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Lots of badly needed, straightforward reality in this article about attraction. However, you depart from the truth when it comes to your own personal interest/bias (just as the fems depart from the truth in areas that serve themselves). Your Number One Son attractant is —

“Psychosocial dominance (game).”

I wouldn’t disagree with this, tho it’s debatable. However, psychosocial dominance is gained by men by living through challenging and difficult circumstances, producing real growth. It is a GRADUAL process derived directly from life experience. Telling teenage boys that this male dominance can be short-cut and faked through Game techniques does not produce such dominance, just a quick-fix that leads to many problems later — including STDs, legal hells, and the guaranteed psychological inflation that results from young men artificially believing that they are something they really aren’t.

Cheers.


  • YaReally
    on July 17, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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    @ray
    “psychosocial dominance is gained by men by living through challenging and difficult circumstances, producing real growth. It is a GRADUAL process derived directly from life experience. Telling teenage boys that this male dominance can be short-cut and faked through Game techniques does not produce such dominance”

    You mean the game techniques of going out and putting yourself in challenging and difficult social circumstances, producing real growth over a gradual process derived directly from life experience they gather with every approach we encourage them to make?

    You’re right, that probably WOULD help. I don’t really know what your point is though…do you?



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on July 17, 2014 at 2:43 pm
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B-but CH…what if I get down to 6% bodyfat from 7%??? This one time a girl smiled at me when I left the gym so I know this game stuff doesn’t matter. It’s all looks. I know this good-looking guy and girls come up to him at the bar when I’m standing beside him being a quiet chode sipping my drink and feeling sorry for myself because of my shitty genetics and he has SEX with these girls!! So ok maybe looks don’t “matter” but I mean, they definitely DO matter.

“People who understand the dangers of an overabundant diet of mass-media images can stop gorging on Playboy, People, Sex and the City, or Dancing with the Stars.”

That’s one way to look at it. I know a guy who’s settling down with an average 6 looking plain jane wife and he’s told me he’s avoiding going out around hot girls because seeing them makes him feel like his plain 6 wife is ugly when he gets home and wants to just move to the suburbs to isolate himself and avoid temptation and he hopes his libido dies off soon so he won’t be tempted to fuck around.

And that’s what the PC crowd would like us to do. Because to them all those models and shit are magical fantasy beings that don’t actually exist, because they know they could never get them. Every one of the models in some magazine is a girl that’s out there living her life day to day and is fucking SOMEONE. If you have some decent game and find a way to get access to the places that girls like that spend their time, there’s no reason that guy fucking them can’t be you.

So I choose to look at it as motivation. Instead of settling for a 6 and avoiding looking at other girls who make her seem ugly, I choose to keep looking for a 9 or 10 who IS the girl who makes other girls seem ugly to me.

Life is too short to waste it aiming low.


  • K
    on July 17, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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    you are confusing ‘looks’ with ‘confidence’. being good-looking does help your confidence levels, but being good-at-something does too. and confidence on a man IS hot.
    stop sipping your drink and feeling sorry for yourself. redirect your energy into self-improvement, not necessarily at the gym. you can be the worlds best starcraft player and a 10 somewhere will want you.
    what CH says here is absolutely true, but there are 3 minor caveats:
    1. height (most short men have an obvious issue with self-confidence)
    2. race (most non-white men have a visible inferiority complex, especially in traditionally white societies but not vice-versa)
    3. comb-overs


    • YaReally
      on July 17, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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      @K
      “but being good-at-something does too. and confidence on a man IS hot.”

      Agreed, but the problem is that confidence in one area generally doesn’t translate to another area. Take that super confident bartender that slays poon every night and put him in a grocery store during the day with a hot girl standing in the cereal aisle and he’s as shy and full of anxiety as the next guy. And that’s a guy who’s job involves flirting with women, so he has a better shot at carrying that confidence over than most people. Take a guy who’s like, an amazing rock-climber and has scaled Mount Everest. That guy is a badass boss, but at the bar he’s likely going to be sipping his beer too scared to say hello to the cute blonde beside him.

      I see it every night out. In fact one of the reasons I don’t really hate on AFC guys I meet at the bar and like to randomly introduce girls to them, is because most of the time those guys are actually really cool guys, in their particular element. I met one dude who told me he taught in a foreign country for a while and knew all this cool shit about the history there and had all these badass life experiences and I was like man, a guy would be LUCKY to meet this dude. But a chick was checking him out and he refused to accept that she would be into him and was too scared to approach her so I had to introduce them and even then he dropped the ball and didn’t go home with her.

      A lot of guys try to get really good at things that aren’t “talking to women” simply hoping that they get find the loophole to get around having to “talk to women” because “talking to women” and putting their ego on the line and risking rejection etc. is a lot scarier to them than spending a few more hours at the office earning $ or a couple more hours at the gym lifting weights hoping that being good at those things will help them avoid having to “talk to women” to get women.

      We’re all kings of our comfort zone…it’s just a lot more productive for getting laid, to make your comfort zone be “talking to women”. :)


    • YaReally
      on July 17, 2014 at 4:48 pm
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      @Zombie

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+an+afc

      I’m not sure a guy too lazy to do a Google search when he’s already in a browser window is in much position to critique society’s downfall.


  • immoralgables
    on July 17, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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    Yo Ya, I’m kind of having an inner game sticking point and need guidance on where to go from here.

    This past few days I had a Game meltdown. All my leads went cold for the most part and it’s this vicious cycle where when one lead goes cold, the bad emotions/neediness caused by that spills into my interactions with the other leads and it keeps going from there.

    Now it’s to the point where I’m not in this happier headspace like I was in early June when I started the challenge. It’s like I’m on a revenge auto pilot that either needs validation from other girls to prove that the leads that have gone cold are foolish in fading away or just my new interactions have me in a negative headspace.

    The same thing happened to me last year and I think it’s from deviating away from the fundamentals (at least with daygame). Whenever I get momentum I start winging my interactions and get sloppy with the texting or I stop playing shit cool because in my mind I’m like “Oh she didn’t respond in three hours? Fuck this bitch I can just walk out the door and find another…Next!”

    So on one hand it’s liberating to feel this way, on the other I don’t have true abundance yet (just “paper abundance”) so it’s counterproductive. One example is asking for too much compliance too soon because my ego/confidence demands it.

    But that’s not helpful towards my goals and it’s a hindrance because after X amount of leads going cold (post-bang, post day 3, post solid initial interaction, etc) it’s started rattling my frame.

    So do I keep fucking going and just play it smart ie stop deviating from the fundamentals that make me initially successful?

    Or should I fallback and regroup a bit and get my mind right first?

    I did the latter last year but I used that as an excuse to not take action. Id like to keep plowing and get this sorted but past week has been kind of rough. I’ve improved too much since then and I’ve gone too far. I don’t want to let the momentum slip and damn, dealing with all these emotions is what I need to learn how to do.

    I know logically there will be future girls and I will no doubt improve, but emotionally it’s hard to believe it in the face of negative feedback.

    This is kind of like Icarus flying too close to the sun


    • YaReally
      on July 17, 2014 at 4:13 pm
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      @immoralgables
      Back off slightly (like a week, two weeks max) and regroup, then head out with a gameplan. You already know the solutions (you’ve stopped running fundamentally solid game), so more time off isn’t going to help you come up with solutions because you already HAVE them. So you don’t need a month or two off to “find yourself” or figure your shit out…you already have a theoretical gameplan, you just can’t execute it right now because your ego is butthurt and it’s keeping you from executing properly.

      Personally I give myself time to be butthurt. I learned it from chicks lol A girl breaks up and what does she do? She vents it all out to her GFs and downs a bucket of ice cream and cries and shit for a couple days, then a week later she’s just fine. She gave herself time to be sad which tells your brain that it’s okay to be sad sometimes. Guys tend to bottle it up and then next thing you know they’re failing out of school months later because they’re still depressed over that breakup but telling themselves they aren’t.

      The key, in my mind, is to allow yourself time to grieve and be butthurt and accept those emotions, embrace them and express them in a safe way (whether it’s confiding in a close friend, venting on a pickup forum, blasting angry music in your headphones, whatever), and then move on and start over. So back off for a week and let yourself be butthurt, then accept that your reality has changed and it’s time to start over with the fundamentals, and then hit the field again with that monkey off your back.

      When you get back into the field, start small. Accept that you suck and you have to start over. Do little missions, just get into sets, just practice cold reads, celebrate all the little shit. Try to stay in a set for 10 minutes not even trying to fuck the girl, and just celebrate that. Set a goal like opening 20 girls in a night and bailing after 30 seconds. Open with stuff that will purposely get you shot down. Try to get slapped lol Just set little goals that help you practice the fundamentals and don’t have the validation-based outcome requirement of “this needs to lead to a good response and a solid phone number and sex”. You’re starting over, revisiting the fundamentals, going back to your foundation and re-enforcing it from the ground up.

      You’ll get back up to where you were eventually, and your foundation will be even stronger for it.

      If it’s any consolation, I lost my favorite girl last week (she boyfriended up but our sexxin was so good that I figure I’ll hear from her within 6 months lol) and fucked up with a new girl (ran sloppy game, zero sexual vibe, friendzoned myself, rookie shit lol), so I was super bummed the first couple days and just threw myself into my work while I let myself grieve at the loss, and there’s still a little hint of feeling blue right now, a week later. I may even be a little down this weekend. But that’s okay, because hey, now I can open with “Hey girls, I just got dumped. Tell me I’m beautiful. :(” lol and I’ll probably meet some cute chick or have some fun interactions. Maybe I won’t get laid, maybe I won’t even get a number, hell maybe I’ll just spend the night trying to shake off the cobwebs and trying to force myself to approach.

      But the next week will be better, and the next will be better, and in a month I’ll be right back to where I was when I was kicking ass. The game will put you through the highest highs and the lowest lows…learn to love the lows and reframe them as opportunities to grow stronger, because the alternative to that up and down rollercoaster is a life of monotonous mediocre predictability.

      Good luck dude!



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My aunt lent me her California beach house last summer. She lives out of state with her husband and kids and was going to be too busy to use it. I’d never been, but I was told, by members of the family, that it had the most beautiful view of the Pacific Ocean. I make decent money, but my aunt is drug dealer rich. Her two town cars in the garage were a Rolls Royce and an Austin Healey convertible. Ya know…something basic.

Anyways, I went up with a girl on the first weekend. The other homes looked decent, but pulling up to the driveway, I could hear her gasp. She probably got wet on the spot. We went inside, got situated, and went onto the patio with drinks. It truly is the best view I’ve ever seen in my life. We enjoyed the sound of sea gulls, the wind, and the crashing of the waves. The only thing she said to break the silence were derivatives of “I like you”. Before we could even finish our drinks, she took my pants down and blew me. I felt like Magnum, P.I. staying at Robin Masters’.

I brought up seven other girls that summer, with none going more than twice. It was an exact science. Pull up, set the bags inside, let her ogle. Get drinks, listen to the ocean, blowjob, dinner and more drinks. Bang. Bang. Bang. Rinse and repeat.

Girls who were feminine and sweet got to go that second time. Girls who irritated me got the bench. Here’s where dread game came in handy…the girls that texted and got no response knew where I was and knew I wasn’t there alone. They didn’t become infuriated and lose my number…they were just persistent until *I* gave in and I texted them back, turning them into my harem in the fall/winter lineup.

It is ALL about power. My humor, charm, and good looks have always gotten me a steady stream of pussy. But you introduce a mansion, a couple nice cars, and the illusion that “Hey…you keep dating this guy and this could all be yours”, and there is no aphrodisiac more powerful.

This was just the illusion of power, fellas. It’d be an even sweeter deal if that beach house was mine. As for Aunt Sally, if she ever phones to talk to her favorite nephew, that call will never be screened.


  • YaReally
    on July 17, 2014 at 9:36 pm
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    Same result (new girls consistently boning pretty much immediately after they enter your place and persisting when you ignore them because they know you have other girls over and they wish they were the ones being allowed to come over) can be duplicated in a shitty little apartment.

    That’s not to take away from how awesome it feels to have a swank place and if that’s something a guy wants to obtain for himself one day, that’s cool, he should definitely go for it.

    But for the guys who don’t have it, understand that you don’t need it. You can get the same results by just running solid game and learning to create stronger emotions in girls and learning to spot and create escalation opportunities faster. Sure, it takes some work to learn, but that mansion and those cars took work to earn.


    • YaReally
      on July 18, 2014 at 10:11 am
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      @Kant
      I’ve only ever heard of Shock & Awe used in the context of opening (Apocalypse Opener by Ciaran). You did everything right but I would call your push at the end just normal LMR diffusing. Like at that stage you’re not building Attraction or anything, it’s already there that’s why she’s cuddled up to you kissing you, at that stage all the work has been done by your solid game leading up to it and now you’re just diffusing some Last Minute Resistance.

      The method you used is particular to that girl, some girls get super turned on hearing a guy say he wants them and can’t resist them and god you’re so sexy and god I want to fuck you so bad bla bla. Like that’s a big turn-on for them when a guy says it, it makes them feel sexy and desirable etc. I actually ditched a fuckbuddy a couple months back because she loved that stuff and she had gotten annoying to me (showed up for a bone session completely hammered, tried to stay when I told her she had to go because I had work to do, etc.) so I didn’t want to tell her “oh babe I want you so bad mmmm” because I was actually thinking “fuck you’re annoying” lol

      Anyway, when you get to the LMR stage, at that point you’re feeling out what her personal blueprint is and calibrating to it. Does she want more Comfort first? Is she worried you’re not going to call her tomorrow? Does she trust you? Does she want you to state that you want her? Does she want you to play harder to get and tease more? Does she want you to just ravage her? Does she want you to play aloof and degrade her and make her chase you? Is she just shy/nervous and needs a bit more time to relax? Does she need a venue change? etc. etc.

      You hit the right blueprint for this chick, so it worked out great. But what one girl views as a sexy turn-on, another girl may view as needy desperation, so don’t go in thinking “I have this Shock & Awe technique that’ll get me the lay if she puts up some LMR”, go in thinking “I have this Shock & Awe technique I can try out but if it’s not working there are a bunch of other things I can try instead” and flip through your “rolodex” of techniques till you find the one that hits home for that particular girl.

      More information on the topic of diffusing LMR: http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-routines/closing/how-to-disarm-last-minute-resistance/

      Breakdown of your FR so you and other guys learning can fully understand just how much you did right here because this was all solid:

      “- matched on tinder, pushed quickly for meetup she agreed”

      Your first ioi from her was her matching you on Tinder. Second ioi was that she agreed to meetup so fast. If I get to this stage I assume she’s either a really outgoing social girl, or horny as fuck. Usually by the convo I can tell which, but I’ll poke a bit in person to figure it out so I know what I’m dealing with (an outgoing social girl who just has no qualms meeting up with guys she doesn’t really know will often take more demonstrating value and warming up to get solid sexual Attraction, whereas a horny girl won’t take much).

      “- hb7.5 very cute girl, acts shy / hard to get, extremely high ASD kind of girl”

      Okay so that tells you she’s probably not a super ougoing social girl which means she’s the horny type who’s already into your look, but you’re just going to have to spend some time with her so she gets comfortable and then probably diffuse some LMR. Whereas with a less shy girl who’s more open about sex you might only have to just bust on her and tease her and build some good emotions and then lead her home to bang with no resistance.

      “- drink at bar near my place, then walk around my hood”

      Here you handled solid logistics (picking a bar near your place) and did a venue change (two venues), so you’re teaching her brain “when you enter new environments with me, nothing bad happens, so it’s okay to enter new environments with me”. You’re already stacking the deck in your favor compared to the guy who picks one restaraunt to stay at all evening and it’s on the other side of the city from the place where he intends to bang her.

      Also drinks and a walk let you build a lot more comfort/rapport and display your personality more than going to a movie in a theater where you can’t talk and then driving her (less travelling time isolated together plus you have to pay attention to the road) to a formal high-end restaraunt where you can’t kick back and let loose together.

      “- very high ASD, won’t sit or stand very close to me, but I can tell she’s attracted”

      If you were a disgusting homeless person who smelled with rotting teeth, she wouldn’t even be in the room anymore, she’d have left. So if she’s still there, you have Attraction, but her avoiding jumping into the lion’s den tells you you’re going to have a night of diffusing LMR ahead of you lol

      A smokin’ hot 9 or 10 will also often not sit or stand very close to you, but usually that’s to see what you’ll do and how you’ll handle it. My buddy and I took home a 2-set and the hotter one completely thwarted him by sitting on the corner part of an L shaped couch, like the one seat where you can’t easily sit beside her, and he had no idea how to recover lol She liked him, but she was hot and she just wanted to see what he would do if she made it difficult for him. Mystery talks about this kind of thing a LOT.

      Your girl isn’t a super hot confident cocky chick who’s going to play games like that, and you have evidence to support that she’s just shy/frigid so you can extrapolate that she just needs some diffusing…and more importantly, because she’s still there, she WANTS you to diffuse all that for her. She’s HOPING you figure it out because she can’t help you with it (ASD).

      “- go up to my place for my cigarettes, end up staying to listen to music / drink”

      Perfect “let’s watch a movie” pull to your place. She can tell herself “oh we just went up to get cigarettes and it “just happened”. Even your wording is “end up staying to listen to music / drink” Because it feels more natural like you guys just “ended up” staying up there.

      Again this is very solid compared to a guy who’s like “so uhhh you wanna come up?” and gets the “What are we gonna’ do?” and he freezes up because he’s like “uhh shit, I just want to bone but I guess I can’t say that ummm…” lol

      “- wont kiss me the first couple times i try, I act nonplussed about it”

      Solid handling of it. I get the cheek all the time. You just play it unreactive like you have no fucks to give instead of being butthurt or apologizing or making it weird, and then try again a few min later. If she’s still there after you’ve gotten the cheek, that’s her telling you “I’m cool with this, I WANT to make out with you, but you haven’t handled the thing that’s holding me back from being able to do it yet, please figure this puzzle out so we can make out!!” If she hated you she would make up an excuse to leave or shut down so hard that it gets so awkward you have to offer to call her a cab.

      Compare that to a lot of guys who will freak out and feel “rejected” because they didn’t get the kiss on the first try and panic or apologize or DISCUSS it (good god) etc. I have a buddy who keeps doing this, he’s scared to go for the kiss because he might get the cheek and I’m like dude I’ve gotten the cheek from a girl like 20x in one night before we finally make out and hooked up. It’s no big deal, she’s just not quite ready yet but if she sticks around then she’s into it, she just needs some more work is all.

      “- I notice she lets me rest my hands on her next to her pussy, on her ass etc. and we both have work early next morning but she’s not leaving. I get the feeling that this is an extremely high ASD girl who wants to be dominated by a strong guy”

      Probably a good read. I like to caveman for the makeout in these situs, but then I’ll calibrate based on how she responds to that for whether to keep cavemanning through to sex so I don’t accidentally come off all rapey lol Like if I caveman the kiss and she loves it and then I pin her against the wall and she loves that, then I bite her neck and ravage her etc. and she’s loving it all then cool, caveman away. But if I caveman her on the kiss and she likes it but she goes back to being super shy or I pin her against the wall and that’s where she kind of freezes up and isn’t enthusiastically consenting to it, I back off and recalibrate and try a more sensual approach.

      “- I caveman her for the make out, it works. she’s moaning and dry humping me”

      So this tells you she likes the caveman stuff. VS if she only went along with the makeout and that was it. Her throwing in a moan and dry hump is her way of communicating “I really like this, this is the type of sex I want to have, even if we aren’t quite having that sex at this point, this is what I’m into and want more of when we DO have sex” without having to verbalize it.

      “- Keep escalating, get to second but not third base. keeps rejecting escalation to her pussy but not leaving or stopping the hookup. I remember Ciaran’s shock and awe tactic and figure it’s exactly the right time for it”

      Classic PUA tactic is “fall back to the last stage of stuff she was okay with and do that stage for another 10 minutes, then try pushing forward again. Rinse and repeat until it works then rinse and repeat it for the next stage until you get to the actual lay.”

      Her rejecting the pussy play can be a physical thing like not quite being turned on enough to be dying for it (rinse, repeat technique handles that), or wanting to be teased a bit more first (kind of related to the last reason), or it can be a mental thing where she has one last puzzle to unlock and needs you to say or do something that disarms that last puzzle.

      In your case you tried showing massive sexual intent, but you also threw in a lot of really good stuff that isn’t really Shock & Awe related, which is the part I mainly wanted to break down:

      “- as per shock and awe, keep telling her shes so hot i can’t help myself around her, its all her fault etc.”

      Massive sexual intent here and blaming her for your Attraction. Classic stuff, this part is using the Shock & Awe concepts but usually you’d use it as the opener. Like a super-direct “wow, hold up, I had to come say hi, you’re phenomenal, bla bla” basically. I’m not super well-versed in it though so maybe Ciaran wrote about using it during LMR and I’m just not aware.

      “tell her i don’t want to do anything she doesnt want to do so she knows I would never force her to do anything”

      This is building comfort/trust and similar to Riker’s 3 Rules where you’re letting her know that you have self control. It’s verbally communicating the same thing you communicate when you back off rinse, repeat. Like a lot of times a girl will give you the cheek or push your hand away from her pussy or whatever just to see “is this a guy who, when I indicate that I’m not cool with something, he’ll back off and I can subsequently let go and feel safe allowing myself to be sexual with him because he’s shown me that if we go too far out of my comfort zone he’ll be aware of that and calibrate and back off? Or is this a guy who doesn’t get subtle signals of discomfort and tries to just plow through ignoring how I’m feeling and will basically end up raping me and I should get the fuck out of here?”

      So you’re basically verbalizing that you’re the first type here, but you’ve also already demonstrated that you’re the first type by not freaking out when she won’t kiss you and by not just pushing her hand out of the way and trying to finger her despite her resistance…Riker’s 3 Rules is a similar concept. So between the two of those things, you’ve very thoroughly communicated to her “I am confident and persistent, but I’m also calibrated and won’t make this a bad experience for you, you can trust me”, which I would say is a big part of what led her to now grant you access to her pussy. You’ve basically communicated “this will be fun, don’t worry”.

      “- shock and awe works very well and allows me to push the escalation much farther, start fingering her pussy. she moans “what do you wantâ€�”

      This is basically instantly the indicator that she wants you to dirty talk and tell her all the sexy things you want to do to her etc. I’ll usually make these things really dominant caveman things to see how she reacts to my just describing that stuff. If she’s into it then I know what type of sex she likes, if she’s not then I can calibrate to that and maybe I have to be sensual with her or maybe she wants to do the teasing etc.

      “i say “i want you in every wayâ€�, shes moaning and shit. I think I was supposed to answer that I want to fuck her but I didnt get the hint”

      lol ya. No biggie, it’s all a done deal at this point. She just wanted to hear like “mmmm I want to fuck you SO bad…I want to bend you over this–” stuff.

      “- finally she says “do you want to fuck meâ€� and i take this to mean this is your window do it now or never. so i basically pull the trigger, rip her pants off and get in her.”

      Because she asks specifically “Do you want to fuck me?” that means for whatever reason she loves hearing the words “I want to fuck you” from a guy, so if you bang in the future just make sure you repeat this kind of stuff…act like she’s turning you on and making you want to fuck her so bad etc. She basically gets to feel like your sexy stripper teasing and turning you on and hijacking your brain, so it’s a bit of a fantasy roleplay for her, and probably balances out her normally shy demeanor (ie – in bed when she trusts the guy she gets to let loose and feel sexy instead of during the day where she has to feel repressed etc.).

      I would encourage her to do more of this, like next time when she’s dry humping you and stuff TELL her “mmm I love when you do such and such, god you turn me on bla bla” and actually reward her for the things she’s doing, it’ll help bring her out of her shell more. I like girls who dress in sexy outfits/lingerie/etc. so I make sure to reward them if they do that stuff for me. Like if I have a shy girl who dresses pretty plain, but she’s thrown on some sexy underwear under her jeans because she WANTS to feel “naughty” but is just shy/nervous about it, as soon as I see that I’ll tell her they’re sexy and she looks so good in them and I bet she’d look so hot in bla bla lingerie/colors/outfit/hairstyle/etc. that I like.

      “- at this point no more asd, shes totally into it, we fuck like animals”

      Deservedly so. You handled everything solid…from stacking the deck in your favor, to calibrating on the fly. Well done!

      “- sent her comfort text in the morning. i actually liked her so I’d love to hang out with her again. she texted back so hopefully we’ll hang out again soon”

      Good stuff. Especially with a shy girl who’s stepping out of her comfort zone, you want to make sure she doesn’t feel used/cheap/slutty after the hookup so you don’t want to play aloof and not txt her for a few days. Get on that shit right away so she can put her “does he think I’m a slut? Did he just use me for sex?” worries at ease.

      “I’m curious, has anyone else employed shock and awe, either successfully or not successfully? I haven’t seen a lot of field reports that mention it. Would love to hear YaReally’s take on it”

      Like I say, I understand it as an Opener primarily. I’m not a big fan of using it to Open because it’s just not really congruent to my vibe (I tend to go more sarcastic/asshole and skeptical of her and let her slowly win me over VS being bowled over by her from the get-go), but I’ll drop similar stuff in once she’s won me over…like when I go for the makeout I’ll often say stuff like “I can’t resist, I’ve been wanting to do this all night, god it’s like you’ve hijacked my brain” etc. and I’ll use it in bed if the girl is into it (“mmm I can’t even think straight when you look at me like that…”) etc.

      I’d say the main thing with it is to just make sure it’s congruent by using it on girls you are legitimately super attracted to. Like Opening with it on a 6 that you’re just running through the motions, it’ll come off as more of a used car salesman badgering vibe. But if you see a girl that’s your own personal smokeshow and use it on her, it’s going to be super congruent to you and your sub-communications and that congruency is going to win her over.

      Tyler describes it as your thoughts, words and actions all being in alignment. Opening with Shock & Awe on an average/unimpressive girl means your words and actions are doing one thing but your thoughts aren’t aligned with them. But doing it on a turbo hottie is going to align your thoughts, words and actions and get better results.



Study: Looks Matter Less To Women Than They Do To Men

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Hunter
on July 18, 2014 at 10:26 am
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@YaReally left a couple responses for you on “The Unhappy Women is a Feminist” post, if I link to it, the mods won’t show this comment lol


  • YaReally
    on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 am
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    Just want to drop a link to Todd from RSD’s stuff. Dude is doing a bunch of self-promotion right now so he’s got a lot of solid content up and I was checking it out. Guy has been around since The Game (he’s the guy sleeping in the tent in the book) and his stuff is interesting because he’s extremely extremely technical and extremely extremely boring lol He’s 5’7″ and has basically no charisma and even has a bit of an effeminate inflection in his voice when he’s talking to girls…so he’s a good candidate for following pure structure/technique in game to get results. He also relies heavily on screening and qualifying girls and getting them to chase/qualify themselves to him.

    Here’s a vid of him in-field:

    But this is the one I wanted to link, it’s like 2.5 hours long and covers his game from Open to Sex:

    The part of the vid above that I wanted to specifically highlight though, is his breakdown of reaching and getting the Hook Point. It starts at 1:31:40 in that vid.

    This is probably one of the best breakdowns of the Hook Point that I’ve ever heard and a lot of the guys having problems keeping sets going are having problems because they can’t reach the Hook Point, so this should help those guys a ton (aka Hunter, give this a watch).

    His structure is “FRED”:

    – Focus (getting her attention fully on you)

    – Relevance (making what you’re saying relevant to her life or something interesting to her, in a positive (value, like teaching her something relating something to her life talking about her, etc.) OR negative (threat, like teasing negs dominant talk causing drama etc.) way)

    – Emotion (getting her emotionally invested/reacting, good or bad)

    – Decision (forcing her to make a decision to stick around and invest in the interaction)

    He goes into breaking down why really fast “HEY. YOU. Come here.” Openers can often work. “HEY” is getting her Focus, “YOU” is making it Relevant to her specifically, commanding her “Come here.” with intensity in your eyes etc. is causing an Emotional reaction (often they worry they’re in trouble or something because of your tonality), and “Come here” while holding out your hand is forcing her to make a Decision to come over. So if she takes your hand and you pull her in, you’ve hit the Hook Point super fast, but you’ve executed the same shit that you would execute in a much slower indirect approach.

    He also explains self-amusement and how it doesn’t fully trigger all 4 pillars of the structure, but how it CAN lead to it, which is a great breakdown of how self-amusement often works but not always, and how you can tighten that up by combining self-amusement with following legit structure.

    So if you’re someone planning out some routines/stories/etc., think about “how am I going to Open, and how am I going to reach the Hook Point from there? Is there a way I could make my story more Relevant to her? How could I force her to make a Decision, what would be a good way to test that?” etc.

    Def give that part a watch. The rest of the video is great, but it’s 2.5hrs long so if you don’t have time for it at least check that Hook Point FRED stuff. Really really solid and directly applicable if you’re heading out this weekend.

    His stuff right after that about testing for her Blueprints (poking and testing for common Blueprints then calibrating more from there). I do a ton of that, it’s part of why my calibration is awesome. Really his whole game is fucking solid lol Watch the whole vid sometime if you want a good breakdown of fundamentals and technical shit.

    Happy Friday all, go out and talk to some hotties. Summer is half-over, don’t waste it watching Game of Thrones lol



The Most Vapid Three Sentences In The English Language

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on July 17, 2014 at 11:54 am
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A message exchange on OKC.

Me :

How would you retort to someone on a blog thread that has no respect for the joke you made, and finally says :

“Stick with what you know. Nothing”

This really happened to me, and I did manage to make a good retort; the person never responded to it.

So why am I writing this to you ?

To see if you are really as interesting as your profile hints at.

Her :

Ha-ha, well that is a very unique opening line! Not one I’ve heard before

So I’m curious, what did you tell them?

Me :

“Nothing with what you know, sticks.”

Here is another :

“Where have you been all my life ?”

“Hiding from you.”

How does one retort to that hmmmmmmmm ?

It’s so obvious you know.

Her :

Ha-ha, no I don’t know. I have no idea.

Me :

… then you’ll just have to start looking … and move your arse luv … oh I’m sorry … then move your badinkadink … eh ? … then move your ‘dairy air’ … now now luv … hang on … hang on luv … I’ve got it !!!!

Move your money makers !!!!

*Sigh*

Rambunctulicious meritorious uproarious little globules ?

*Sigh*

What about gay-men’s-regrets ?

Thank you.

Now move your arse.

: )

Her :

You are a weird one, huh? ; )

Me :

I am genuinely curious on why you said that. Tell me more ; )

Her :

You just have a unique way about you.

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Does this mean I can ask her out for coffee now ??????



The Most Vapid Three Sentences In The English Language

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na
on July 17, 2014 at 11:54 am
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A message exchange on OKC.

Me :

How would you retort to someone on a blog thread that has no respect for the joke you made, and finally says :

“Stick with what you know. Nothing”

This really happened to me, and I did manage to make a good retort; the person never responded to it.

So why am I writing this to you ?

To see if you are really as interesting as your profile hints at.

Her :

Ha-ha, well that is a very unique opening line! Not one I’ve heard before

So I’m curious, what did you tell them?

Me :

“Nothing with what you know, sticks.”

Here is another :

“Where have you been all my life ?”

“Hiding from you.”

How does one retort to that hmmmmmmmm ?

It’s so obvious you know.

Her :

Ha-ha, no I don’t know. I have no idea.

Me :

… then you’ll just have to start looking … and move your arse luv … oh I’m sorry … then move your badinkadink … eh ? … then move your ‘dairy air’ … now now luv … hang on … hang on luv … I’ve got it !!!!

Move your money makers !!!!

*Sigh*

Rambunctulicious meritorious uproarious little globules ?

*Sigh*

What about gay-men’s-regrets ?

Thank you.

Now move your arse.

: )

Her :

You are a weird one, huh? ; )

Me :

I am genuinely curious on why you said that. Tell me more ; )

Her :

You just have a unique way about you.

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Does this mean I can ask her out for coffee now ??????



The Unhappy Woman Is A Feminist Archetype

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on July 15, 2014 at 10:59 pm
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So my approaches haven’t been going well. They’re generally short and this is similar to how my Night Game is.

This was probably the fourth approach of the day – Foreign chick:

Me: Hey, you’re beautiful.
HB: Thanks (smile).
Me: Let’s get married.
HB: My husband wouldn’t like that.
Me: Tell him I’m gay.
HB: lol
Me: Let’s have coffee.
HB: Hmm, he wouldn’t be happy about that.
Me: You’re not allowed to have friends?
HB: Nope.
Me: … hey so, hm, where are you going, stop for a sec.
HB: Do you not understand what I’m saying?
Me: Alright, bye.

Other approach:

Me: Hey, I thought you were cute, had to say hi.
HB: Thank you.
Me: You’re a model.
HB: No.
Me: An analyst.
HB: No.
Me: Doesn’t matter, let’s get coffee.
HB: I have to go, sorry.

These are really the worst ones. My biggest habits are cold reading straight through, not doing any storytelling, and having deep connections. I honestly think it might be my frame of mind. Other times I say things that are completely fine (hence the dates I’m going to mention – already went on one), but times like these I get flustered and blow myself out.

I’m going out 6 nights a week since last week and I anticipate it’ll stay that way.

I also have a couple of dates lined up. One Mexican girl I’m meeting Thursday, goes back to her country on Friday. Other girl is Russian, left the date early, going for a longer Day 3 (after an hour long Day 2).

These days, I’m committing more to game. I’m writing my interactions down and coming up with solutions to my weaknesses. Before I was super hyper, now I’m more normal during the day.

Night game, I’m still not doing a lot. I’m going into sets but not taking it anywhere. I think the last missions are the storytelling mission, the leading mission, and the vocal tonality mission.

Also, personal question for YaReally, do you think I’m going too slowly on these missions? I feel like I should be much further along by now, but then again, I haven’t been going out as much as I am now. I tend to neglect the missions because I often try to get laid, but somehow I eject or neglect making a move. It’s really discouraging.

Anyway, that’s how things are going as of late. I’ll be out approaching everyday for the rest of the week, and then again on Monday to start it all over again.

I want this handled.


  • YaReally
    on July 17, 2014 at 10:01 am
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    @Hunter
    “Also, personal question for YaReally, do you think I’m going too slowly on these missions?”

    No such thing. It ain’t a race against anyone but yourself.

    “My biggest habits are cold reading straight through, not doing any storytelling, and having deep connections.”

    You’re good at figuring out what your sticking points are. But that’s only half the battle, the other half is actually purposely attacking those sticking points.

    If you look at your interactions and see that your sticking points are “I cold read straight through, with no storytelling or having a deep connection”, then do approaches where you limit yourself to one or two cold reads and have to fill in the rest of the pickup with storytelling and trying to build a deep connection. Sit down and come up with a story to practice telling and plan how how you’ll transition from the Open to the story and then how you’ll transition from the story into Rapport and then how you’ll transition from Rapport into a deep connection (what kind of questions can you ask her about herself that you’re actually curious about?).

    The two approaches you wrote out here are basically throwing yourself at the wall in a hail-mary numbers-game. “Hey, you’re cute, go out with me” There’s no connection, no value being offered, nothing to make you more interesting/intriguing than the guy who shouts at them from a construction site or car as they drive by lol

    Going out every day will help smooth out your social skills but you still need to have an active map to get to your goals. Only ways to do that are to 1) write FRs and analyze them, 2) write FRs and have other people analyze them, 3) actively try fixing any sticking points you notice, 4) merging that new fixed area of game into your normal game, and then 5) hitting the pavement consciously applying all of it.

    I’d like to be able to go up to a girl and just go “hey, you’re cute, gimme your number.” And I can with certain girls. But that’s completely relying on “fool’s mate”. There’s no consistency with it and it’s just a numbers game. To get consistent results I have to actually apply a conscious strategy and adapt to what’s going on in the interaction and if I notice “okay the last 3 sets I haven’t made eye-contact at all and there’s no sexual vibe, fuck”, then on my 4th set I’ll tell myself “ok make eye-contact and build a sexual vibe” and consciously focus on doing that.

    Throw up some more FRs, even if they’re not in massive detail, and look for consistent patterns. Drop the missions for now (you’ll come back to those missions for the rest of your life lol, I still do them now and then when there’s an area I need to work on) and try getting yourself an FR where you’re not cold reading straight-through and you’re telling a story and trying to build a connection.

    Like the missions are great for ironing out sticking points and getting little overall improvements in specific areas, but you have to combine it all together into normal game at some point. The missions themselves aren’t going to get you laid.

    Like how many sets have you legitimately tried applying “open, cold read, tease, screen/disqualify her, lead her a few steps away and turn her back to her friends, tell a story, build comfort/rapport, screen/disqualify yourself, set up a time bridge to a future event, grab her number but then make her qualify herself and insist that she’ll actually answer before you take it, etc.”? If you haven’t made it through most of those steps in a bunch of your interactions then you’re not going to get results. If you’ve made it through all those steps and still aren’t getting any success then post of FRs of interactions where you go through those steps and we can whittle them down to specific consistent sticking points to fix.

    Otherwise you’re just beating your head against the wall 6 nights a week instead of 2. ;)


    • YaReally
      on July 18, 2014 at 10:50 am
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      @Hunter
      “I also thought that these problems would fix themselves eventually. Like, I’ll just “pick up on it.””

      Negative. :) This is the equivalent of “I figured if I just kept pressing things in a car, I would pick up on how to drive and figure out the rules of the road”. Like theoretically it can work but that’s a hell of a long learning curve full of way more traffic accidents than you need to make when you can read a manual and study and practice your parallel parking in empty parking lots etc. to learn.

      “I don’t think I’ve ever done this more than a handful of times the entire year of doing this. Need to get my shit together.”

      This has really been the consistent pattern with you since the start, which is why I have trouble helping you (compared to, say, Reco or Scray). Like from Day 1 your pattern has been “I know what I need to do, but then I go out and don’t DO it” lol Or like “I know what I need to practice or make sure I do better on, but then I don’t practice that and don’t get better at it, how do I fix this?” And it’s like man, there isn’t even really anything I can ADD…you’re a smart dude, you’re good at analysing your shit and figuring out where you went wrong or being aware of it in the moment, but the solution to your head hurting when you bang it against the wall is to quit banging it against the wall. I can’t make you do that, that’s on you lol

      Thing is, we all DO this. I’ve been working on my sexual eye-contact hardcore for the past few months and I’ll go out with the full intention of focusing on my eye-contact, but then I’ll get into a bunch of sets and then come out of them and at the end of the night be like “ahh fuck, I completely forgot to try that eye-contact shit I wanted to try…I was lookin all over the damn room, fuck!!” Like I KNOW what I need to do, and what my intention was, but I just forgot to do it. No one can really help me with that (except for a wingman who I specifically tell to watch me and walk by and kick me if I’m not making good eye-contact with a girl), but otherwise the only solution is for me to remember in-set “okay make intense sexual eye-contact”. Hell, I even changed my phone wallpaper to be a picture of eyes so that when I glance at my phone I remember “oh ya, eye-contact!” but often when I’m holding a set I don’t even look at my phone so that’s no good lol

      So like, don’t beat yourself up about it…but when I go out tonight I’ll be telling myself in the shower “make sexual eye-contact” and I’ll be locking eyes with myself in the mirror and I’ll be watching some YouTube vids with rock solid eye-contact and basically try to flood my brain with enough of that thing so that when I’m actually in-field my brain goes “hey remember all that eye-contact stuff we were obsessing with before we came out? Let’s do that now with this girl!”. And it might take me months and months of forgetting and fucking it up until I finally make it enough of a habit that I’m remembering to consciously do it in every single set. And then it’ll still probably be another few months of THAT before I’m doing it instinctively on auto-pilot like a bunch of the other techniques/skills I’ve worked on in a similar fashion.

      Thing is, when I started working on my eye-contact, or talking from my diaphragm to be louder or adding kino to sets or steering the conversation toward sexual topics or leading around the venue etc., like every time I decide “ok I’m going to develop this technique/skill”, I’m going in KNOWING that it’s going to probably take me anywhere from 6 months to a year to really handle it. Like that’s the timeframe in my mind is “I’m going to probably fuck this up and not even remember to do it for the first 3 months, then I’m going to probably do it sporadically for another 3 months, then I’m going to get a solid handle on it finally and for the next 6 months I’ll be more consistent with it, and probably after a year I’ll have this down instinctually as just a part of me (faked it till I made it type deal).”

      So I’m not really frustrated or disappointed in myself when I’m not seeing progress, because most of the time it’s my own fault and I’m already going in with a really extended timeframe for success so I fully expect to still suck at it after 3 months, you know? Like ya, of course I still suck at it, it’s only been 3 months, that’s what I expect to happen…BUT I’m working on it, and over time I’ll suck less and less at it…and over time I’ll actually get better at it until I’m good at it and then eventually I’ll be REALLY good at it and a couple years from now I’ll have it mastered.

      “My storytelling skills need work, and I’m hesitant to try it”

      Can’t learn to drive if you don’t sit down behind the wheel. :)

      “but at least I’d be moving in the right direction”

      This is really all you can do, is head in the right direction. That’s why we have missions and goals and step by step techniques and such, is so guys can have a guide/path to follow that isn’t necessarily going to get them instant results, or maybe it won’t even get them results for 5 YEARS…but it’s going to put them on the right path moving in the right direction instead of aimlessly floundering or heading in the wrong direction.

      “rather than this endless limbo of short interactions and superficial attraction.”

      Check the latests CH article for my comment where I’m going to link some RSDTodd videos. I was watching them today and he has some rock solid shit on getting to and hitting the Hook Point which is something that would probably help you out. He breaks it down nicely into something you should be able to consciously try to apply.

      “That’s all. I can jot down more as they come up.”

      You’re on the right track. Things probably won’t go exactly as you’re planning out, but that’s okay because you at least have SOME kind of direction/structure to try to follow and over time you’ll be able to adapt and improvise to going off the plan and get back onto the plan smoothly. But the key is coming up with a plan/structure to even attempt, just to give yourself some goals and direction in set.

      For your stripper story, off the top of my head I would tell it like:

      “Are you girls crazy? (response) Well you LOOK nice but I’ve had a bad run of meeting crazy chicks so I don’t know. Like a few weeks ago my friends and I were at the bar and we were dancing with some girls. This one girl was super cute and she seemed into me, so I’m like hey this is great, totally gonna’ get laid tonight. Sounds all good, right?

      So as the night goes on, I’m dancing with everyone because I’m just fucking around…like I’m dancing with little old ladies and trying to drag shy girls onto the dance floor and dragging guys over to girls to make them ask them to dance etc. I’m kind of retarded when I’m drinking lol but everyone’s having fun.

      Then I look over and the girl that was into me is staring daggers at me. I’m like woah wtf, so I go over to her and I’m all “hey you” and she goes “DON’T EVEN TALK TO ME.” and gives me the bitch-face lol I’m like wtf what’s wrong? and she goes “If you aren’t going to pay attention to me then don’t even bother!” and I’ve got wtf stamped on my face and then suddenly she starts CRYING, like in the middle of the bar. Everyone’s looking at us and I’m like wtf do I do??

      She RUNS out of the bar crying and her friend chases her and my buddy comes over and is like “dude what did you say to her??” and I’m like “I HAVE NO IDEA!!” (here they’ll probably try to tell you stuff like “oh she probably dated a player before and seeing you dance with other girls made her bla bla”)

      The funniest part is that since the whole bar saw it, afterward a couple of the girls I danced with came up and were like “oh we’re so sorry, are you okay?” and I’m like “ya what? why?” and they go “well you and your girlfriend just broke up didn’t you?” lol”

      …shit maybe I’ll use this one tonight lol



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So my approaches haven’t been going well. They’re generally short and this is similar to how my Night Game is.

This was probably the fourth approach of the day – Foreign chick:

Me: Hey, you’re beautiful.
HB: Thanks (smile).
Me: Let’s get married.
HB: My husband wouldn’t like that.
Me: Tell him I’m gay.
HB: lol
Me: Let’s have coffee.
HB: Hmm, he wouldn’t be happy about that.
Me: You’re not allowed to have friends?
HB: Nope.
Me: … hey so, hm, where are you going, stop for a sec.
HB: Do you not understand what I’m saying?
Me: Alright, bye.

Other approach:

Me: Hey, I thought you were cute, had to say hi.
HB: Thank you.
Me: You’re a model.
HB: No.
Me: An analyst.
HB: No.
Me: Doesn’t matter, let’s get coffee.
HB: I have to go, sorry.

These are really the worst ones. My biggest habits are cold reading straight through, not doing any storytelling, and having deep connections. I honestly think it might be my frame of mind. Other times I say things that are completely fine (hence the dates I’m going to mention – already went on one), but times like these I get flustered and blow myself out.

I’m going out 6 nights a week since last week and I anticipate it’ll stay that way.

I also have a couple of dates lined up. One Mexican girl I’m meeting Thursday, goes back to her country on Friday. Other girl is Russian, left the date early, going for a longer Day 3 (after an hour long Day 2).

These days, I’m committing more to game. I’m writing my interactions down and coming up with solutions to my weaknesses. Before I was super hyper, now I’m more normal during the day.

Night game, I’m still not doing a lot. I’m going into sets but not taking it anywhere. I think the last missions are the storytelling mission, the leading mission, and the vocal tonality mission.

Also, personal question for YaReally, do you think I’m going too slowly on these missions? I feel like I should be much further along by now, but then again, I haven’t been going out as much as I am now. I tend to neglect the missions because I often try to get laid, but somehow I eject or neglect making a move. It’s really discouraging.

Anyway, that’s how things are going as of late. I’ll be out approaching everyday for the rest of the week, and then again on Monday to start it all over again.

I want this handled.


  • YaReally
    on July 17, 2014 at 10:01 am
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    @Hunter
    “Also, personal question for YaReally, do you think I’m going too slowly on these missions?”

    No such thing. It ain’t a race against anyone but yourself.

    “My biggest habits are cold reading straight through, not doing any storytelling, and having deep connections.”

    You’re good at figuring out what your sticking points are. But that’s only half the battle, the other half is actually purposely attacking those sticking points.

    If you look at your interactions and see that your sticking points are “I cold read straight through, with no storytelling or having a deep connection”, then do approaches where you limit yourself to one or two cold reads and have to fill in the rest of the pickup with storytelling and trying to build a deep connection. Sit down and come up with a story to practice telling and plan how how you’ll transition from the Open to the story and then how you’ll transition from the story into Rapport and then how you’ll transition from Rapport into a deep connection (what kind of questions can you ask her about herself that you’re actually curious about?).

    The two approaches you wrote out here are basically throwing yourself at the wall in a hail-mary numbers-game. “Hey, you’re cute, go out with me” There’s no connection, no value being offered, nothing to make you more interesting/intriguing than the guy who shouts at them from a construction site or car as they drive by lol

    Going out every day will help smooth out your social skills but you still need to have an active map to get to your goals. Only ways to do that are to 1) write FRs and analyze them, 2) write FRs and have other people analyze them, 3) actively try fixing any sticking points you notice, 4) merging that new fixed area of game into your normal game, and then 5) hitting the pavement consciously applying all of it.

    I’d like to be able to go up to a girl and just go “hey, you’re cute, gimme your number.” And I can with certain girls. But that’s completely relying on “fool’s mate”. There’s no consistency with it and it’s just a numbers game. To get consistent results I have to actually apply a conscious strategy and adapt to what’s going on in the interaction and if I notice “okay the last 3 sets I haven’t made eye-contact at all and there’s no sexual vibe, fuck”, then on my 4th set I’ll tell myself “ok make eye-contact and build a sexual vibe” and consciously focus on doing that.

    Throw up some more FRs, even if they’re not in massive detail, and look for consistent patterns. Drop the missions for now (you’ll come back to those missions for the rest of your life lol, I still do them now and then when there’s an area I need to work on) and try getting yourself an FR where you’re not cold reading straight-through and you’re telling a story and trying to build a connection.

    Like the missions are great for ironing out sticking points and getting little overall improvements in specific areas, but you have to combine it all together into normal game at some point. The missions themselves aren’t going to get you laid.

    Like how many sets have you legitimately tried applying “open, cold read, tease, screen/disqualify her, lead her a few steps away and turn her back to her friends, tell a story, build comfort/rapport, screen/disqualify yourself, set up a time bridge to a future event, grab her number but then make her qualify herself and insist that she’ll actually answer before you take it, etc.”? If you haven’t made it through most of those steps in a bunch of your interactions then you’re not going to get results. If you’ve made it through all those steps and still aren’t getting any success then post of FRs of interactions where you go through those steps and we can whittle them down to specific consistent sticking points to fix.

    Otherwise you’re just beating your head against the wall 6 nights a week instead of 2. ;)


    • YaReally
      on July 18, 2014 at 10:50 am
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      @Hunter
      “I also thought that these problems would fix themselves eventually. Like, I’ll just “pick up on it.””

      Negative. :) This is the equivalent of “I figured if I just kept pressing things in a car, I would pick up on how to drive and figure out the rules of the road”. Like theoretically it can work but that’s a hell of a long learning curve full of way more traffic accidents than you need to make when you can read a manual and study and practice your parallel parking in empty parking lots etc. to learn.

      “I don’t think I’ve ever done this more than a handful of times the entire year of doing this. Need to get my shit together.”

      This has really been the consistent pattern with you since the start, which is why I have trouble helping you (compared to, say, Reco or Scray). Like from Day 1 your pattern has been “I know what I need to do, but then I go out and don’t DO it” lol Or like “I know what I need to practice or make sure I do better on, but then I don’t practice that and don’t get better at it, how do I fix this?” And it’s like man, there isn’t even really anything I can ADD…you’re a smart dude, you’re good at analysing your shit and figuring out where you went wrong or being aware of it in the moment, but the solution to your head hurting when you bang it against the wall is to quit banging it against the wall. I can’t make you do that, that’s on you lol

      Thing is, we all DO this. I’ve been working on my sexual eye-contact hardcore for the past few months and I’ll go out with the full intention of focusing on my eye-contact, but then I’ll get into a bunch of sets and then come out of them and at the end of the night be like “ahh fuck, I completely forgot to try that eye-contact shit I wanted to try…I was lookin all over the damn room, fuck!!” Like I KNOW what I need to do, and what my intention was, but I just forgot to do it. No one can really help me with that (except for a wingman who I specifically tell to watch me and walk by and kick me if I’m not making good eye-contact with a girl), but otherwise the only solution is for me to remember in-set “okay make intense sexual eye-contact”. Hell, I even changed my phone wallpaper to be a picture of eyes so that when I glance at my phone I remember “oh ya, eye-contact!” but often when I’m holding a set I don’t even look at my phone so that’s no good lol

      So like, don’t beat yourself up about it…but when I go out tonight I’ll be telling myself in the shower “make sexual eye-contact” and I’ll be locking eyes with myself in the mirror and I’ll be watching some YouTube vids with rock solid eye-contact and basically try to flood my brain with enough of that thing so that when I’m actually in-field my brain goes “hey remember all that eye-contact stuff we were obsessing with before we came out? Let’s do that now with this girl!”. And it might take me months and months of forgetting and fucking it up until I finally make it enough of a habit that I’m remembering to consciously do it in every single set. And then it’ll still probably be another few months of THAT before I’m doing it instinctively on auto-pilot like a bunch of the other techniques/skills I’ve worked on in a similar fashion.

      Thing is, when I started working on my eye-contact, or talking from my diaphragm to be louder or adding kino to sets or steering the conversation toward sexual topics or leading around the venue etc., like every time I decide “ok I’m going to develop this technique/skill”, I’m going in KNOWING that it’s going to probably take me anywhere from 6 months to a year to really handle it. Like that’s the timeframe in my mind is “I’m going to probably fuck this up and not even remember to do it for the first 3 months, then I’m going to probably do it sporadically for another 3 months, then I’m going to get a solid handle on it finally and for the next 6 months I’ll be more consistent with it, and probably after a year I’ll have this down instinctually as just a part of me (faked it till I made it type deal).”

      So I’m not really frustrated or disappointed in myself when I’m not seeing progress, because most of the time it’s my own fault and I’m already going in with a really extended timeframe for success so I fully expect to still suck at it after 3 months, you know? Like ya, of course I still suck at it, it’s only been 3 months, that’s what I expect to happen…BUT I’m working on it, and over time I’ll suck less and less at it…and over time I’ll actually get better at it until I’m good at it and then eventually I’ll be REALLY good at it and a couple years from now I’ll have it mastered.

      “My storytelling skills need work, and I’m hesitant to try it”

      Can’t learn to drive if you don’t sit down behind the wheel. :)

      “but at least I’d be moving in the right direction”

      This is really all you can do, is head in the right direction. That’s why we have missions and goals and step by step techniques and such, is so guys can have a guide/path to follow that isn’t necessarily going to get them instant results, or maybe it won’t even get them results for 5 YEARS…but it’s going to put them on the right path moving in the right direction instead of aimlessly floundering or heading in the wrong direction.

      “rather than this endless limbo of short interactions and superficial attraction.”

      Check the latests CH article for my comment where I’m going to link some RSDTodd videos. I was watching them today and he has some rock solid shit on getting to and hitting the Hook Point which is something that would probably help you out. He breaks it down nicely into something you should be able to consciously try to apply.

      “That’s all. I can jot down more as they come up.”

      You’re on the right track. Things probably won’t go exactly as you’re planning out, but that’s okay because you at least have SOME kind of direction/structure to try to follow and over time you’ll be able to adapt and improvise to going off the plan and get back onto the plan smoothly. But the key is coming up with a plan/structure to even attempt, just to give yourself some goals and direction in set.

      For your stripper story, off the top of my head I would tell it like:

      “Are you girls crazy? (response) Well you LOOK nice but I’ve had a bad run of meeting crazy chicks so I don’t know. Like a few weeks ago my friends and I were at the bar and we were dancing with some girls. This one girl was super cute and she seemed into me, so I’m like hey this is great, totally gonna’ get laid tonight. Sounds all good, right?

      So as the night goes on, I’m dancing with everyone because I’m just fucking around…like I’m dancing with little old ladies and trying to drag shy girls onto the dance floor and dragging guys over to girls to make them ask them to dance etc. I’m kind of retarded when I’m drinking lol but everyone’s having fun.

      Then I look over and the girl that was into me is staring daggers at me. I’m like woah wtf, so I go over to her and I’m all “hey you” and she goes “DON’T EVEN TALK TO ME.” and gives me the bitch-face lol I’m like wtf what’s wrong? and she goes “If you aren’t going to pay attention to me then don’t even bother!” and I’ve got wtf stamped on my face and then suddenly she starts CRYING, like in the middle of the bar. Everyone’s looking at us and I’m like wtf do I do??

      She RUNS out of the bar crying and her friend chases her and my buddy comes over and is like “dude what did you say to her??” and I’m like “I HAVE NO IDEA!!” (here they’ll probably try to tell you stuff like “oh she probably dated a player before and seeing you dance with other girls made her bla bla”)

      The funniest part is that since the whole bar saw it, afterward a couple of the girls I danced with came up and were like “oh we’re so sorry, are you okay?” and I’m like “ya what? why?” and they go “well you and your girlfriend just broke up didn’t you?” lol”

      …shit maybe I’ll use this one tonight lol



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Man, I was this guy… Much milder version, but same mindset. Thought girls actually owed me something and would become disappointed when THEY didn’t approach and ignored me. CH, Rollo, YaReally and a few others set me straight.

So much different, and so much more fun now that I can even spit just a little game. Sitting in a bar last night by myself. Grab some dinner and a beer. Shooting the shit with this hot little 24 year old Asian bartender. Petite, tight little ass, firm little apple tits.

Just vibing away… Talking. And she’s fidgeting like CRAZY. Smiling, laughing, playing with her hair, and folding and unfolding the bar towel over and over and over again while I’m chatting with her in a cool, calm relaxed, way. I’m almost 50! And here I am using this secret power I never knew existed to make a woman that nervous. Man, that’s intoxicating. Something I’ve never experienced before.

She’s dying for me to ask for her number… Keeps telling me that she knows someone who could help me with X or Y. I cut the conversation short, get my tab and notice that she comped me both beers. Pay the tab and get up to leave. See her disappointment out of the corner of my eye… Stop, hesitate and turn around (like I’d forgotten something) hand her my phone and say give me your #. Her face lights up and her eyes widen.

First time I’d ever really internalized the “I am the prize” dynamic. What’s funny is that after first stumbling here and unplugging I was super bitter. YaReally and others have it right though. You can’t do anything about the way women are… It’s just the way it is. The bitterness will eat you alive.

But harnessing the power to make women weak in the knees instead (and just as importantly recognizing those female “tells”) is a truly amazing feeling. That sort of visceral reaction from a hot 24 year old woman is something I never thought I’d experience in my life.


  • YaReally
    on July 11, 2014 at 2:05 pm
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    Glad to have helped get you onto a better path. Life is pretty awesome when you shake yourself out of the angry/depressed fog and finally figure out how to take control of it. :) Props on the solid close and letting her sweat it out a little before grabbing the number lol



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Man, I was this guy… Much milder version, but same mindset. Thought girls actually owed me something and would become disappointed when THEY didn’t approach and ignored me. CH, Rollo, YaReally and a few others set me straight.

So much different, and so much more fun now that I can even spit just a little game. Sitting in a bar last night by myself. Grab some dinner and a beer. Shooting the shit with this hot little 24 year old Asian bartender. Petite, tight little ass, firm little apple tits.

Just vibing away… Talking. And she’s fidgeting like CRAZY. Smiling, laughing, playing with her hair, and folding and unfolding the bar towel over and over and over again while I’m chatting with her in a cool, calm relaxed, way. I’m almost 50! And here I am using this secret power I never knew existed to make a woman that nervous. Man, that’s intoxicating. Something I’ve never experienced before.

She’s dying for me to ask for her number… Keeps telling me that she knows someone who could help me with X or Y. I cut the conversation short, get my tab and notice that she comped me both beers. Pay the tab and get up to leave. See her disappointment out of the corner of my eye… Stop, hesitate and turn around (like I’d forgotten something) hand her my phone and say give me your #. Her face lights up and her eyes widen.

First time I’d ever really internalized the “I am the prize” dynamic. What’s funny is that after first stumbling here and unplugging I was super bitter. YaReally and others have it right though. You can’t do anything about the way women are… It’s just the way it is. The bitterness will eat you alive.

But harnessing the power to make women weak in the knees instead (and just as importantly recognizing those female “tells”) is a truly amazing feeling. That sort of visceral reaction from a hot 24 year old woman is something I never thought I’d experience in my life.


  • YaReally
    on July 11, 2014 at 2:05 pm
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    Glad to have helped get you onto a better path. Life is pretty awesome when you shake yourself out of the angry/depressed fog and finally figure out how to take control of it. :) Props on the solid close and letting her sweat it out a little before grabbing the number lol



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on July 10, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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Know what, fuck it, it’s story time

Tuesday I have a Day 3 with this V. Cute Asian (Hb7) that I picked up in my neighborhood. Day 2 went very well yet something was telling me more comfort was needed. This is the one that I escalated with hard at the park and tried to get into her apt after but no dice.

So I broke all the rules this time.

Had her meet me at this restaurant nearby to grab a bite to eat and I paid. I don’t normally grab a bite to eat with a girl unless I’ve been seeing her for a while but damn, I really wanted to get laid.

Meet up, go for the kiss on the lips (pro-move btw) and walk towards the restaurant which is conveniently near both of our apt. We eat, we talk, I’m not really gaming at all. Just enjoying myself and the meat platter I had us split.

Pay the tab. She gives a very perfunctory “thank you” like she expected it. My spidey-sense goes off on how she says thanks. Fucccck, one of these older girls that expects the guy pay for everything according to the social narrative she bought into.

Step outside. Lots of makeout and ass-grabbing and it starts raining so we go under an awning where I try to go back to her place. “One of my rules is you can’t come back to my place on the 2nd date.”

So I’m kind of frustrated but per Scray’s advice I just say “Alright” and keep trying to escalate. 2 Steps back, one step forward, ya know.

Try to push back to my place to watch a movie. She’s not having it and knows what’s up. Finally push towards across the street to the same 2nd venuelounge I took her on our Day 2. Ask her if she was still mad at me that I made her pay when we previously went there. (I pay at first venue and try to get girls to pay at the 2nd).

She said it was really bad form that I actually had her pay. I’m like “Wutttt….”

Her: “You know, you’re the guy. You’re the one pursuing me….”

Me: “Wait, what, you really think that I have to pay for everything?”

Her: “Well you’re the one that chased me down the street. I mean…”

Me: “Hm, yeah cool.” (Turn around, and walk the fuck out without saying bye.)

Her: (Gasps)

Walk.the.fuck.out

WALKED, THE FUCK, OUT

I’ve never done that before. Usually I wanted the puss that bad but this Daygame/Approach Everyday thing told me I didn’t have to keep spending for the lay…not on those terms.

Beyond that, I had legit reference experiences of either other girls paying or girls fucking me without me paying as a requisite.

I start walking back to my place and don’t look back. I’m frustrated for sure but very weird this feeling I got. There will actually be more. Maybe not tonight but more. Seriously haven’t internalized that feeling until then.

A block down I sit at a bench and start surfing the internet on my phone. Odds are she might come chasing (which is fine) but if she doesn’t then it’s OK.

A few minutes later she comes and is at the street corner opposite where I’m at. She stands there expecting me to come. I see her out the corner of my eye and just stay on my phone like I don’t see her. She eventually comes to and is kind of in shock. I just stripped her of all her validation.

We talk for a bit and I tell her how I don’t want to be that guy that pays. It’s not a good look and I’ve never had to. I tell her to find a guy that will pay for her there always plenty. But seriously, I don’t mind paying but when you expect it like that…fuck that. I was seriously turned off.

So we keep talking, I stick to my guns and empathize with where she’s coming from. She’s used to guys paying and needs to rationalize the socially conditioned narrative how guys are the pursuer and shit. That’s fine, I’m not mad.

I keep escalating the whole time we’re talking though with the kino. She’s still sitting there and about 10min in I invite her back to my rooftop just for 20 minutes.

She agrees. Get to the rooftop. 2 steps forward one step back. 2 steps forward one step back.

Banged her on the rooftop and then again in the bedroom. She had this look after of disbelief as she broke her “3 date rule.” Talk/chill/cuddle for 20 minutes (per YaReally’s buyers remorse advice) and walk her home.

Not really too into her neither, was legit put off at her expectation of making me pay. But here you go fellas, approach consistently and you will get to a point where you truly believe that you don’t have to put up with shit that you don’t want.

But without that abundance (or belief that you’ll find another) and you’ll stay and pay.

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  • YaReally
    on July 11, 2014 at 6:27 am
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    @immoralgables
    “Me: “Hm, yeah cool.” (Turn around, and walk the fuck out without saying bye.)

    Her: (Gasps)

    Walk.the.fuck.out

    WALKED, THE FUCK, OUT”

    Lol’ed. Every guy should try this at least once.

    Props on not giving up, walking out when she wouldn’t play along, and properly handling the aftercare to avoid Buyer’s Remorse (which is a high likelihood when a girl has “rules” that she broke for you…to keep her track record clean so she can keep telling people she has a 3 date rule she never breaks she’s more likely to find ways to make that lay not count and she can start telling herself it was rape etc if she’s crazy and you just kick her out cold and stop txting her and she feels guilty). Txt her when she gets home and the next day and keep it fun and get her to admit she had a good time, and then if you don’t want to bang her again just do a slow trail-off for a few weeks and if you want at the end of that tell her you’re getting back together with your ex. Should help you avoid any negative reprocussions.



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on July 10, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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Know what, fuck it, it’s story time

Tuesday I have a Day 3 with this V. Cute Asian (Hb7) that I picked up in my neighborhood. Day 2 went very well yet something was telling me more comfort was needed. This is the one that I escalated with hard at the park and tried to get into her apt after but no dice.

So I broke all the rules this time.

Had her meet me at this restaurant nearby to grab a bite to eat and I paid. I don’t normally grab a bite to eat with a girl unless I’ve been seeing her for a while but damn, I really wanted to get laid.

Meet up, go for the kiss on the lips (pro-move btw) and walk towards the restaurant which is conveniently near both of our apt. We eat, we talk, I’m not really gaming at all. Just enjoying myself and the meat platter I had us split.

Pay the tab. She gives a very perfunctory “thank you” like she expected it. My spidey-sense goes off on how she says thanks. Fucccck, one of these older girls that expects the guy pay for everything according to the social narrative she bought into.

Step outside. Lots of makeout and ass-grabbing and it starts raining so we go under an awning where I try to go back to her place. “One of my rules is you can’t come back to my place on the 2nd date.”

So I’m kind of frustrated but per Scray’s advice I just say “Alright” and keep trying to escalate. 2 Steps back, one step forward, ya know.

Try to push back to my place to watch a movie. She’s not having it and knows what’s up. Finally push towards across the street to the same 2nd venuelounge I took her on our Day 2. Ask her if she was still mad at me that I made her pay when we previously went there. (I pay at first venue and try to get girls to pay at the 2nd).

She said it was really bad form that I actually had her pay. I’m like “Wutttt….”

Her: “You know, you’re the guy. You’re the one pursuing me….”

Me: “Wait, what, you really think that I have to pay for everything?”

Her: “Well you’re the one that chased me down the street. I mean…”

Me: “Hm, yeah cool.” (Turn around, and walk the fuck out without saying bye.)

Her: (Gasps)

Walk.the.fuck.out

WALKED, THE FUCK, OUT

I’ve never done that before. Usually I wanted the puss that bad but this Daygame/Approach Everyday thing told me I didn’t have to keep spending for the lay…not on those terms.

Beyond that, I had legit reference experiences of either other girls paying or girls fucking me without me paying as a requisite.

I start walking back to my place and don’t look back. I’m frustrated for sure but very weird this feeling I got. There will actually be more. Maybe not tonight but more. Seriously haven’t internalized that feeling until then.

A block down I sit at a bench and start surfing the internet on my phone. Odds are she might come chasing (which is fine) but if she doesn’t then it’s OK.

A few minutes later she comes and is at the street corner opposite where I’m at. She stands there expecting me to come. I see her out the corner of my eye and just stay on my phone like I don’t see her. She eventually comes to and is kind of in shock. I just stripped her of all her validation.

We talk for a bit and I tell her how I don’t want to be that guy that pays. It’s not a good look and I’ve never had to. I tell her to find a guy that will pay for her there always plenty. But seriously, I don’t mind paying but when you expect it like that…fuck that. I was seriously turned off.

So we keep talking, I stick to my guns and empathize with where she’s coming from. She’s used to guys paying and needs to rationalize the socially conditioned narrative how guys are the pursuer and shit. That’s fine, I’m not mad.

I keep escalating the whole time we’re talking though with the kino. She’s still sitting there and about 10min in I invite her back to my rooftop just for 20 minutes.

She agrees. Get to the rooftop. 2 steps forward one step back. 2 steps forward one step back.

Banged her on the rooftop and then again in the bedroom. She had this look after of disbelief as she broke her “3 date rule.” Talk/chill/cuddle for 20 minutes (per YaReally’s buyers remorse advice) and walk her home.

Not really too into her neither, was legit put off at her expectation of making me pay. But here you go fellas, approach consistently and you will get to a point where you truly believe that you don’t have to put up with shit that you don’t want.

But without that abundance (or belief that you’ll find another) and you’ll stay and pay.


  • YaReally
    on July 11, 2014 at 6:27 am
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    @immoralgables
    “Me: “Hm, yeah cool.” (Turn around, and walk the fuck out without saying bye.)

    Her: (Gasps)

    Walk.the.fuck.out

    WALKED, THE FUCK, OUT”

    Lol’ed. Every guy should try this at least once.

    Props on not giving up, walking out when she wouldn’t play along, and properly handling the aftercare to avoid Buyer’s Remorse (which is a high likelihood when a girl has “rules” that she broke for you…to keep her track record clean so she can keep telling people she has a 3 date rule she never breaks she’s more likely to find ways to make that lay not count and she can start telling herself it was rape etc if she’s crazy and you just kick her out cold and stop txting her and she feels guilty). Txt her when she gets home and the next day and keep it fun and get her to admit she had a good time, and then if you don’t want to bang her again just do a slow trail-off for a few weeks and if you want at the end of that tell her you’re getting back together with your ex. Should help you avoid any negative reprocussions.



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YaReally
on July 9, 2014 at 6:48 pm
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Currently 5’9″ and at the fattest of my life lol 210-ish pounds. This guy’s body is just slightly worse than mine:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/skamrath1/me073-1.jpg

Like I’ve said before, most of the girls I’m with have banged jacked up studly dudes. There are so MANY of those guys these days since UFC got popular and every guy started hitting the gym more so they could stand around flexing in their Affliction shirts at the bar and talk about MMA shit lol And the girls I prefer are the dolled up types who tend to be more into looks than some plain-jane type.

How am I performing this wizardry? ’cause women are attracted to vibe, charisma, dominance. When she gives that jacked up 6’4″ badass looking dude shit he’s telling them “baby I’m sorry, let me take you to dinner, will that help? I’m sorry okay?? Whatever I did, I’m sorry, just give me another chance okay?” and when she’s giving me shit I’m saying “lol no. You’re being retarded.” and they’re fascinated that I’m not treating them like their shit doesn’t stink.

“But brah!! What if you’re out, like in public, and a jacked dude walks by!! And she LOOKS at him!! OMG then what huh??? SEE looks wins!!!”

She can look all she wants, I don’t care, I’m looking at the girl in the short skirt that’s passing by us lol wtf do I care?

“Ya but what if he HITS on her!! Brah I was at the bar once, and this girl was into me, and then this tall good looking guy talked to her and she went home with HIM!!! And my buddy? he’s this tall guy? And he gets girls ALL THE TIME!!!”

Your game is shit and you are a pussy. 90% of the time guys lose their girl to a better looking/richer guy it’s because those guys gave that guy too much value and actually backed off themselves because they just assumed that guy deserved the girl more. This is just shitty internal mindsets.

Like hey attractive tall rich dudes: Go ahead and hit on my girl, I’ll let you because I think it’s funny as fuck. If you do too well, I’ll just come in and throw her over my shoulder and carry her away. Or come in and chat you up and be cooler than you. Or walk by with some other girls to make her jealous enough to forget you exist because some other girl is flirting with me. Or I’ll start a fight with her and tell her to go suck your cock in the bathroom like a fucking whore I knew she was like that this is why I don’t get into relationships whatever fuck off go fuck this guy don’t ever talk to me again you fucking whore bla bla bla and she’ll run out of the bar crying and call me all night while you’re holding your drink trying to figure out wtf just happened.

If you get her number, I’ll be telling her “lol wow THAT guy really? no some girls and I were laughing at how creepy he was when he was hitting on you, but you should totally fuck him then I don’t have to listen to you yap all night lol”

“But BRAH!!! DUDE. MAN. You gotta’ unnerstand!! I had 9% body fat once and this girl felt my abs in the bar!!!”

When I’m in set with ripped abs guys, I make the girls rub my buddha belly for good luck. None of that means anything lol

If you are a super good-looking stud, you will do just fine, as long as you have no competition. A lot of these really good-looking dudes are used to guys backing off so when a guy doesn’t (especially a completely average looking guy like me), they panic and don’t know what to do because they don’t actually have any game, they’re just used to free gimme’s.

“Ok ok but SRSLY…….what if a guy is there, and he’s 8 feet tall and he’s rich and he’s got a 6-pack AND he’s got game and super charming and knows all your PUA shit!!! Then wut huh???”

The funny thing about life is that you only have so many hours in the day. If you’re working 100+ hours a week to become a CEO, you may pick up some alpha qualities from that, but you don’t have the time to go learn how to actually be good with women and really lock down solid game. If you’re bodybuilding, if you’re out climbing mountains, if you’re playing in some professional sport…that’s your life, that’s your focus, and you will be really good at doing those things, but those things are directly applicable to talking to and charming/fucking women.

The way you get better with women is by interacting with women. That’s it. That’s the magic formula. Anything you do that isn’t interacting with women means that’s some percent worse you’ll be with women. I’m not saying you should making gaming women your priority 100% of your time, that’s unhealthy…but the average good-looking jacked up MMA CEO badass is still only hitting the bar once a week or a few times a month and rolling into the bar at midnight and spending half his night getting wasted instead of approaching girls. He’s really only spending like 10% of his time getting better with women because he doesn’t HAVE other time to invest in it. A PUA who prioritizes pickup and basically juggles a normal 9-5 job while going out approaching sober 3-5 nights a week rolling out at like 9pm or doing daygame etc. is spending like 60% of his time getting better with women. If he’s training his skillset right and actively working on improving/studying, and he can get over the mental hurdle of giving good-looking guys more value/credit than they actually deserve, he’ll have no problem taking girls from those guys.

I also recommend a period of hyperfocus on pickup at the start too…my first 2 years of pickup were something like 90% of my time invested in it. If I wasn’t at my 9-5 job I was either in-field or reading/studying pickup resources. Like I lived ate and breathed it. Now I have other focuses but I gained more field experience in those 2 years than most guys get in their lifetime lol (52 weeks x 4 nights a week x 5 hours a night x 2 years = 2080 in-field hours…average guy goes out once a week max for 4 hours max so 52 weeks x 1 night a week x 4 hours a night x 2 years = 416 in-field hours (208 hours a year, so I had 10x their experience in a year)…in 10 years of partying (age 18-28, say) that’s 2080 in-field hours lol…I lived the average guy’s entire adulthood experience in 2 years…of COURSE they aren’t going to be able to take my girls off me except by fluke even if I’m not going out that hardcore these days (twice a week now) because I got such a turbo boost when I started. I probably won’t score on Michael Jordan if we played basketball, that doesn’t mean I’m not capable of it or that I’m a shitty person or that white guys can’t jump, it’s just that he’s just put in a million more hours on the court than I have because I was focused on other things besides basketball)

But hey, whatever helps guys sleep at night lol Shave a bit more of that body-fat off, I hear girls only get with guys who look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club.



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YaReally
on July 9, 2014 at 6:48 pm
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Currently 5’9″ and at the fattest of my life lol 210-ish pounds. This guy’s body is just slightly worse than mine:

Like I’ve said before, most of the girls I’m with have banged jacked up studly dudes. There are so MANY of those guys these days since UFC got popular and every guy started hitting the gym more so they could stand around flexing in their Affliction shirts at the bar and talk about MMA shit lol And the girls I prefer are the dolled up types who tend to be more into looks than some plain-jane type.

How am I performing this wizardry? ’cause women are attracted to vibe, charisma, dominance. When she gives that jacked up 6’4″ badass looking dude shit he’s telling them “baby I’m sorry, let me take you to dinner, will that help? I’m sorry okay?? Whatever I did, I’m sorry, just give me another chance okay?” and when she’s giving me shit I’m saying “lol no. You’re being retarded.” and they’re fascinated that I’m not treating them like their shit doesn’t stink.

“But brah!! What if you’re out, like in public, and a jacked dude walks by!! And she LOOKS at him!! OMG then what huh??? SEE looks wins!!!”

She can look all she wants, I don’t care, I’m looking at the girl in the short skirt that’s passing by us lol wtf do I care?

“Ya but what if he HITS on her!! Brah I was at the bar once, and this girl was into me, and then this tall good looking guy talked to her and she went home with HIM!!! And my buddy? he’s this tall guy? And he gets girls ALL THE TIME!!!”

Your game is shit and you are a pussy. 90% of the time guys lose their girl to a better looking/richer guy it’s because those guys gave that guy too much value and actually backed off themselves because they just assumed that guy deserved the girl more. This is just shitty internal mindsets.

Like hey attractive tall rich dudes: Go ahead and hit on my girl, I’ll let you because I think it’s funny as fuck. If you do too well, I’ll just come in and throw her over my shoulder and carry her away. Or come in and chat you up and be cooler than you. Or walk by with some other girls to make her jealous enough to forget you exist because some other girl is flirting with me. Or I’ll start a fight with her and tell her to go suck your cock in the bathroom like a fucking whore I knew she was like that this is why I don’t get into relationships whatever fuck off go fuck this guy don’t ever talk to me again you fucking whore bla bla bla and she’ll run out of the bar crying and call me all night while you’re holding your drink trying to figure out wtf just happened.

If you get her number, I’ll be telling her “lol wow THAT guy really? no some girls and I were laughing at how creepy he was when he was hitting on you, but you should totally fuck him then I don’t have to listen to you yap all night lol”

“But BRAH!!! DUDE. MAN. You gotta’ unnerstand!! I had 9% body fat once and this girl felt my abs in the bar!!!”

When I’m in set with ripped abs guys, I make the girls rub my buddha belly for good luck. None of that means anything lol

If you are a super good-looking stud, you will do just fine, as long as you have no competition. A lot of these really good-looking dudes are used to guys backing off so when a guy doesn’t (especially a completely average looking guy like me), they panic and don’t know what to do because they don’t actually have any game, they’re just used to free gimme’s.

“Ok ok but SRSLY…….what if a guy is there, and he’s 8 feet tall and he’s rich and he’s got a 6-pack AND he’s got game and super charming and knows all your PUA shit!!! Then wut huh???”

The funny thing about life is that you only have so many hours in the day. If you’re working 100+ hours a week to become a CEO, you may pick up some alpha qualities from that, but you don’t have the time to go learn how to actually be good with women and really lock down solid game. If you’re bodybuilding, if you’re out climbing mountains, if you’re playing in some professional sport…that’s your life, that’s your focus, and you will be really good at doing those things, but those things are directly applicable to talking to and charming/fucking women.

The way you get better with women is by interacting with women. That’s it. That’s the magic formula. Anything you do that isn’t interacting with women means that’s some percent worse you’ll be with women. I’m not saying you should making gaming women your priority 100% of your time, that’s unhealthy…but the average good-looking jacked up MMA CEO badass is still only hitting the bar once a week or a few times a month and rolling into the bar at midnight and spending half his night getting wasted instead of approaching girls. He’s really only spending like 10% of his time getting better with women because he doesn’t HAVE other time to invest in it. A PUA who prioritizes pickup and basically juggles a normal 9-5 job while going out approaching sober 3-5 nights a week rolling out at like 9pm or doing daygame etc. is spending like 60% of his time getting better with women. If he’s training his skillset right and actively working on improving/studying, and he can get over the mental hurdle of giving good-looking guys more value/credit than they actually deserve, he’ll have no problem taking girls from those guys.

I also recommend a period of hyperfocus on pickup at the start too…my first 2 years of pickup were something like 90% of my time invested in it. If I wasn’t at my 9-5 job I was either in-field or reading/studying pickup resources. Like I lived ate and breathed it. Now I have other focuses but I gained more field experience in those 2 years than most guys get in their lifetime lol (52 weeks x 4 nights a week x 5 hours a night x 2 years = 2080 in-field hours…average guy goes out once a week max for 4 hours max so 52 weeks x 1 night a week x 4 hours a night x 2 years = 416 in-field hours (208 hours a year, so I had 10x their experience in a year)…in 10 years of partying (age 18-28, say) that’s 2080 in-field hours lol…I lived the average guy’s entire adulthood experience in 2 years…of COURSE they aren’t going to be able to take my girls off me except by fluke even if I’m not going out that hardcore these days (twice a week now) because I got such a turbo boost when I started. I probably won’t score on Michael Jordan if we played basketball, that doesn’t mean I’m not capable of it or that I’m a shitty person or that white guys can’t jump, it’s just that he’s just put in a million more hours on the court than I have because I was focused on other things besides basketball)

But hey, whatever helps guys sleep at night lol Shave a bit more of that body-fat off, I hear girls only get with guys who look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club.



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Culum Struan
on July 9, 2014 at 8:56 pm
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Quick FR from last night – in a bar, I opened a HB8 22 year old college girl who was part of a big group. Good chat with my wing and me and her friends (she was telling us about wearing a slutty witch costume on Halloween etc) and kino was met with no resistance – eventually isolated her (albeit surrounded by her friends in a crowded bar) and then it fizzled out – mainly because I really need to work on my rapport/comfort building skills (not before I had got her – with a little reluctance – to turn around and then I complimented her ass etc to which she said thanks).

Anyway, the point being that she was wearing an engagement ring which I noticed but ignored since she was young to be engaged and women wear it to repel unwanted guys etc. Later on, when I was talking to my wing he told me that she had told him (when he was briefly alone with her) that she was *engaged*, that her fiance was IN the bar with us (part of the big group) and they’d just had a romantic engagement in the last few months.

I found it really interesting how she NEVER mentioned her fiance who was in the same room to me even when I was complimenting her ass and chatting for 20-25 min and she mentioned him within 2 mins to my wing (who is a cool guy with game – I think it may have been because the girl got engaged in my wing’s home town, but still..). And I only lost her because I’m not yet good enough to build rapport and comfort well..

The whole thing reminded me like the beginning stages of YaReally ‘s anecdotes about banging girls with boyfriends etc..this stuff actually happens..


  • YaReally
    on July 10, 2014 at 12:00 am
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    @Culum
    “The whole thing reminded me like the beginning stages of YaReally ‘s anecdotes about banging girls with boyfriends etc..this stuff actually happens..”

    Skip to 19:50. Note the ring and bachelorette sash:

    Cue every guy looking for a unicorn: “MY girl would NEVER do that”. Of course she wouldn’t. That’s what this girl’s guy thinks lol

    Combine no judgement with no accountability/consequences and emotional stimulation/game and pretty much any girl will just go along with her emotions and backwards rationalize it all later.

    I don’t even think it’s a bad thing, I don’t hate women lol I think running with your emotions is very feminine behavior and I think it’s cute that they do it and I might even consider a long-term relationship with the right girl someday…but I wouldn’t legally tie myself to a woman with the expectation that either of us will make it 40+ years of monogamous marriage completely faithful lol. And I wouldn’t expect that I can let myself go once I enter a relationship and expect my girl to stay with me once I become a lazy 300lbs couch potato with no ambition or goals in life who fails all her shit-testing and lets myself become a blubbery beta schlub.

    But don’t worry guys who are angry reading this…YOUR perfect unicorn virgin religious girl from EE or Thailand won’t be a “nasty dirty slut” like other girls. Yours will be perfect and love you no matter what and will be a wild tomcat in bed that wants sex all the time but only with you. Lol



How The Sexes Perceive Looks Differently

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Culum Struan
on July 9, 2014 at 8:56 pm
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Quick FR from last night – in a bar, I opened a HB8 22 year old college girl who was part of a big group. Good chat with my wing and me and her friends (she was telling us about wearing a slutty witch costume on Halloween etc) and kino was met with no resistance – eventually isolated her (albeit surrounded by her friends in a crowded bar) and then it fizzled out – mainly because I really need to work on my rapport/comfort building skills (not before I had got her – with a little reluctance – to turn around and then I complimented her ass etc to which she said thanks).

Anyway, the point being that she was wearing an engagement ring which I noticed but ignored since she was young to be engaged and women wear it to repel unwanted guys etc. Later on, when I was talking to my wing he told me that she had told him (when he was briefly alone with her) that she was *engaged*, that her fiance was IN the bar with us (part of the big group) and they’d just had a romantic engagement in the last few months.

I found it really interesting how she NEVER mentioned her fiance who was in the same room to me even when I was complimenting her ass and chatting for 20-25 min and she mentioned him within 2 mins to my wing (who is a cool guy with game – I think it may have been because the girl got engaged in my wing’s home town, but still..). And I only lost her because I’m not yet good enough to build rapport and comfort well..

The whole thing reminded me like the beginning stages of YaReally ‘s anecdotes about banging girls with boyfriends etc..this stuff actually happens..


  • YaReally
    on July 10, 2014 at 12:00 am
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    @Culum
    “The whole thing reminded me like the beginning stages of YaReally ‘s anecdotes about banging girls with boyfriends etc..this stuff actually happens..”

    Skip to 19:50. Note the ring and bachelorette sash:

    Cue every guy looking for a unicorn: “MY girl would NEVER do that”. Of course she wouldn’t. That’s what this girl’s guy thinks lol

    Combine no judgement with no accountability/consequences and emotional stimulation/game and pretty much any girl will just go along with her emotions and backwards rationalize it all later.

    I don’t even think it’s a bad thing, I don’t hate women lol I think running with your emotions is very feminine behavior and I think it’s cute that they do it and I might even consider a long-term relationship with the right girl someday…but I wouldn’t legally tie myself to a woman with the expectation that either of us will make it 40+ years of monogamous marriage completely faithful lol. And I wouldn’t expect that I can let myself go once I enter a relationship and expect my girl to stay with me once I become a lazy 300lbs couch potato with no ambition or goals in life who fails all her shit-testing and lets myself become a blubbery beta schlub.

    But don’t worry guys who are angry reading this…YOUR perfect unicorn virgin religious girl from EE or Thailand won’t be a “nasty dirty slut” like other girls. Yours will be perfect and love you no matter what and will be a wild tomcat in bed that wants sex all the time but only with you. Lol



Rationalizing Fearfulness

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letterofthelaw
on July 8, 2014 at 5:49 pm
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Everything in moderation
Sure, there is a time for increased energy in devotion to a certain area but when the goal is reached you back away.

There reason many of you are here is because you struggle with women. Reading sites like this is better than sitting at home throwing a pity party for yourself. But even game sites can be bad for your health if not consumed in moderation. You can tell alot about certain posters by volume of comments. The more they post the more consumed they are by pickup. When meeting women becomes a mechanical process it defeats the purpose. Sure, if you lack social skills due to self esteem issues it doesnt hurt to learn from those who do know. However, learning is only a portion of the battle. LIVING WELL is the biggest portion.

And I speak here from experience. The happiest men tend to get way more women than the unhappy ones. Being happy with yourself is the key. By liking who you are it oozes out of your core on to the outside. People can recognize that and women find it attractive. The other day I was in the gym and talked to some girl i see all the time. Wasnt even trying to pick up. Just said hello and chatted about the work out. But i was smiling and in a good mood feeling great about myself and her smile shined RIGHT back.

Every time I picked up I was in a real good mood. Even the dark triad type bullshit game where you have to start out as a jerk boy within minutes that has to fade and let the good vibes ooze out. When you are happy and feel good about yourself and your life it shows on your face.

So remember this boys. Reading threads can give a few pointers but without feeling good about your life it will lead nowhere good. Sure maybe you can progress to picking up hoes and girls with serious issues but finding and keeping the good ones will be a serious problem.


  • YaReally
    on July 9, 2014 at 3:36 am
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    “So remember this boys. Reading threads can give a few pointers but without feeling good about your life it will lead nowhere good.”

    Everything we do affects our state/mood. I know when I watch a super depressing sad movie, I’m going to be bummed out for a few hours or days. I know when I listen to angsty/angry music I’m going to feel angsty/angry for a few hours or days. I know if I stare at my computer screen all day I’m going to feel anti-social and inside my head. I know if I hate my job/friends/relationship/etc. and have drama or just general negative vibes on it and especially if I focus on that and piss & moan all day, I’m going to be in a negative mood. I know if I read nothing but game forums I’m going to get into an overly analytical inside-my-head mood. I know if I don’t get a decent sleep I’m going to roll out to the bar tired. I know if I head out with buddies who don’t approach or who give me shit for approaching, I’m going to feel abnormal and normalize myself by following their lead and sitting at a table drinking from a jug of beer all night not talking to cute chicks. I know if I don’t approach the first set I see, I’m going to start a spiral where I don’t approach the next set or the next and end up having a night where I don’t talk to anyone.

    But I also know that the opposite is true. If I watch funny shit that makes me laugh, I feel good for a few hours or days. If I listen to happy up-beat music that makes me want to dance in my chair, I’m going to feel happy and up-beat. If the job I do is something I enjoy doing, I’m going to feel good about my career and happy through my day. If I socialize with co-workers or make an effort to chat up the clerk at the convenience store or food place at lunch or do some cold approaches, I’m going to feel more social when I go out to the bar that night. If I take a nap before I go out, I’m going to feel more clear-headed and in-the-moment. If I do some affirmations, I’m going to put myself in a nice positive state of mind. If I watch some light-hearted pickup vids before I go out (like entertaining Simple Pickup, Keys to the VIP, Cupid Schmupid, Kassem G, etc. vids instead of deep technical Tyler vids) I’m going to feel like approaching is normal behavior and have a lot less resistance to it. If I hang out with outgoing social positive buddies who also want to talk to girls and get laid, I’m going to have all the chips on my side of the table. And if I approach the first set I see and start my social momentum, I’m going to end up being unstoppable that night.

    Same person, but two COMPLETELY different states of mind and outcomes, because of the actions I took.

    Like Tyler says “You didn’t fuck up when you approached that girl. You fucked up an hour ago when you didn’t approach that first easy set. You fucked up last night when you didn’t go to bed at a reasonable time. You fucked up last week when you ate shitty food and couldn’t do your workout to feel energized.”

    So I have rules I follow based on observing my own state and success/failure (everyone has their own stuff that gets them into good or bad states…I know a guy who loves listening to angry death metal before he goes out and it’s his fav music so it puts him in a good state). I focus heavy on technical game stuff early in the week, but then Thurs/Fri/Sat I don’t read/watch any of it (aside from a few posts here and there if I’m bored, but I’m not sitting there for hours reading the Chateau on a Friday evening before I go out lol) and instead I switch to more lighthearted pickup stuff. If I want to watch really depressing/angry movies or listen to similar music, I do that early in the week and then by Thursday I switch over to more upbeat positive fun stuff. I don’t hang out with energy-draining drama-wielding chicks, I screen for drama-free up-beat positive girls to have in my life. I’m old (early 30s) and way out of shape so I take a nap before I hit the bar. I bought a decent bluetooth speaker so I could blast music while I’m in the shower and sing along to it and get my foot tapping as I wash my gigantic cock and I make sure to say lyrics out loud or talk to myself in the mirror to get my brain used to making sounds (I work on computers all week and I’m naturally introverted, so depending on various circumstances it’s possible that I haven’t spoken to anyone that day or in a few days or even all week some weeks). I have music playing while I shower up and I walk around with open body language and good posture, say a few things in a deep projecting tonality to get used to projecting my voice, and change my physiology in general to help change my mood. I avoid boring low-key pre-game parties where I know I’m going to be stuck sitting around quietly drinking beers with anti-social guys (if I get stuck hanging with normal dudes) and instead opt to have the pre-game at my place or go pre-game with buddies who are higher energy and will help get me pumped up and keep me in a good state for heading out.

    Can I pick up without doing any of this? Ya, sure, I’ve been doing this a while lol so I have a lot of technical skills on auto-pilot and can often recover from fuckups. I can roll out of bed feeling like shit and be sick and still probably do better than a lot of average guys.

    But why not take action to help me head out in my most optimal state? No one faults a football player for stretching and warming up before a game lol If I head out in a good state, feeling great about myself and my life in general, combining that with solid technical skills is like entering cheat codes lol It doesn’t mean I’ll get laid every night or pull off super wizard magic or anything just like a football player who warms up and practices isn’t going to win every game he plays, but I’m at least not getting in my own way and allowing myself to run at 100% instead of going out at 50% or 10% like a lot of normal average negative/lazy/apathetic/downer guys do.



Rationalizing Fearfulness

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letterofthelaw
on July 8, 2014 at 5:49 pm
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Everything in moderation
Sure, there is a time for increased energy in devotion to a certain area but when the goal is reached you back away.

There reason many of you are here is because you struggle with women. Reading sites like this is better than sitting at home throwing a pity party for yourself. But even game sites can be bad for your health if not consumed in moderation. You can tell alot about certain posters by volume of comments. The more they post the more consumed they are by pickup. When meeting women becomes a mechanical process it defeats the purpose. Sure, if you lack social skills due to self esteem issues it doesnt hurt to learn from those who do know. However, learning is only a portion of the battle. LIVING WELL is the biggest portion.

And I speak here from experience. The happiest men tend to get way more women than the unhappy ones. Being happy with yourself is the key. By liking who you are it oozes out of your core on to the outside. People can recognize that and women find it attractive. The other day I was in the gym and talked to some girl i see all the time. Wasnt even trying to pick up. Just said hello and chatted about the work out. But i was smiling and in a good mood feeling great about myself and her smile shined RIGHT back.

Every time I picked up I was in a real good mood. Even the dark triad type bullshit game where you have to start out as a jerk boy within minutes that has to fade and let the good vibes ooze out. When you are happy and feel good about yourself and your life it shows on your face.

So remember this boys. Reading threads can give a few pointers but without feeling good about your life it will lead nowhere good. Sure maybe you can progress to picking up hoes and girls with serious issues but finding and keeping the good ones will be a serious problem.


  • YaReally
    on July 9, 2014 at 3:36 am
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    “So remember this boys. Reading threads can give a few pointers but without feeling good about your life it will lead nowhere good.”

    Everything we do affects our state/mood. I know when I watch a super depressing sad movie, I’m going to be bummed out for a few hours or days. I know when I listen to angsty/angry music I’m going to feel angsty/angry for a few hours or days. I know if I stare at my computer screen all day I’m going to feel anti-social and inside my head. I know if I hate my job/friends/relationship/etc. and have drama or just general negative vibes on it and especially if I focus on that and piss & moan all day, I’m going to be in a negative mood. I know if I read nothing but game forums I’m going to get into an overly analytical inside-my-head mood. I know if I don’t get a decent sleep I’m going to roll out to the bar tired. I know if I head out with buddies who don’t approach or who give me shit for approaching, I’m going to feel abnormal and normalize myself by following their lead and sitting at a table drinking from a jug of beer all night not talking to cute chicks. I know if I don’t approach the first set I see, I’m going to start a spiral where I don’t approach the next set or the next and end up having a night where I don’t talk to anyone.

    But I also know that the opposite is true. If I watch funny shit that makes me laugh, I feel good for a few hours or days. If I listen to happy up-beat music that makes me want to dance in my chair, I’m going to feel happy and up-beat. If the job I do is something I enjoy doing, I’m going to feel good about my career and happy through my day. If I socialize with co-workers or make an effort to chat up the clerk at the convenience store or food place at lunch or do some cold approaches, I’m going to feel more social when I go out to the bar that night. If I take a nap before I go out, I’m going to feel more clear-headed and in-the-moment. If I do some affirmations, I’m going to put myself in a nice positive state of mind. If I watch some light-hearted pickup vids before I go out (like entertaining Simple Pickup, Keys to the VIP, Cupid Schmupid, Kassem G, etc. vids instead of deep technical Tyler vids) I’m going to feel like approaching is normal behavior and have a lot less resistance to it. If I hang out with outgoing social positive buddies who also want to talk to girls and get laid, I’m going to have all the chips on my side of the table. And if I approach the first set I see and start my social momentum, I’m going to end up being unstoppable that night.

    Same person, but two COMPLETELY different states of mind and outcomes, because of the actions I took.

    Like Tyler says “You didn’t fuck up when you approached that girl. You fucked up an hour ago when you didn’t approach that first easy set. You fucked up last night when you didn’t go to bed at a reasonable time. You fucked up last week when you ate shitty food and couldn’t do your workout to feel energized.”

    So I have rules I follow based on observing my own state and success/failure (everyone has their own stuff that gets them into good or bad states…I know a guy who loves listening to angry death metal before he goes out and it’s his fav music so it puts him in a good state). I focus heavy on technical game stuff early in the week, but then Thurs/Fri/Sat I don’t read/watch any of it (aside from a few posts here and there if I’m bored, but I’m not sitting there for hours reading the Chateau on a Friday evening before I go out lol) and instead I switch to more lighthearted pickup stuff. If I want to watch really depressing/angry movies or listen to similar music, I do that early in the week and then by Thursday I switch over to more upbeat positive fun stuff. I don’t hang out with energy-draining drama-wielding chicks, I screen for drama-free up-beat positive girls to have in my life. I’m old (early 30s) and way out of shape so I take a nap before I hit the bar. I bought a decent bluetooth speaker so I could blast music while I’m in the shower and sing along to it and get my foot tapping as I wash my gigantic cock and I make sure to say lyrics out loud or talk to myself in the mirror to get my brain used to making sounds (I work on computers all week and I’m naturally introverted, so depending on various circumstances it’s possible that I haven’t spoken to anyone that day or in a few days or even all week some weeks). I have music playing while I shower up and I walk around with open body language and good posture, say a few things in a deep projecting tonality to get used to projecting my voice, and change my physiology in general to help change my mood. I avoid boring low-key pre-game parties where I know I’m going to be stuck sitting around quietly drinking beers with anti-social guys (if I get stuck hanging with normal dudes) and instead opt to have the pre-game at my place or go pre-game with buddies who are higher energy and will help get me pumped up and keep me in a good state for heading out.

    Can I pick up without doing any of this? Ya, sure, I’ve been doing this a while lol so I have a lot of technical skills on auto-pilot and can often recover from fuckups. I can roll out of bed feeling like shit and be sick and still probably do better than a lot of average guys.

    But why not take action to help me head out in my most optimal state? No one faults a football player for stretching and warming up before a game lol If I head out in a good state, feeling great about myself and my life in general, combining that with solid technical skills is like entering cheat codes lol It doesn’t mean I’ll get laid every night or pull off super wizard magic or anything just like a football player who warms up and practices isn’t going to win every game he plays, but I’m at least not getting in my own way and allowing myself to run at 100% instead of going out at 50% or 10% like a lot of normal average negative/lazy/apathetic/downer guys do.



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R1J2
on July 8, 2014 at 6:30 pm
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First off, thanks to immoralgables, yareally, et al for their past help.

Secondly, been doing approaches since before approach week, but need a bit of advice.

During a date, is there a structure or a model you find helpful? Not looking for a step by step guide, but a general road map.

Although I’m getting more make outs, I’m just not able to get past the first date. I’m working on tweaking my vibe (come across as too friendly/ nice/ inexperienced), but just wondering if there is a structure I should also keep in mind.

All recent dates have followed this track more or less:

- meet up at a dive bar
- usually a cheerful greeting, get a hug/ or cheek kiss (cultural thing for me)
- talk about general stuff first 10 min
- tease her when I can
- keep her talking more than me about her wants, hopes, etc.
- eventually get her talking about past relationships / sex / etc. (good strategy?)
- some physical contact, legs, arms brushing. Hand on back when possible.
- a second round of beer, maybe third.
- end the night two hours later (weeknight)
- then, 33% make out, 66% “nice to meet you”.

I’d love to hear from someone who’s been there and has blasted through this. I know you can’t tell for sure what I’m doing wrong without actually seeing me, but if anyone notices a glaring mistake or a lack, I’d be grateful if you point it out.

A point I should make, I’m genuinely interested in what the women I go out with have to say. So, no social robot vibe, while also not getting too excited.

Thanks for taking the time to help.


  • having a bad day
    on July 8, 2014 at 8:14 pm
    Original Link

    @r1j2

    “All recent dates have followed this track more or less:

    - meet up at a dive bar
    [do you get there first and wait for her?=beta/DLV]

    - usually a cheerful greeting, get a hug/ or cheek kiss (cultural thing for me)
    [too happy to see her = beta/DLV…what has she done to deserve this reaction from you…just be a girl?…lol = beta…]
    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/qualifying-her/

    - talk about general stuff first 10 min
    [are these 'interview' questions = beta/DLV…]
    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/eliciting-sexual-values/

    - tease her when I can
    [good…should be sexual innuendo as much as possible..]

    - keep her talking more than me about her wants, hopes, etc.
    [good…but you still need to interject your DHV into the interaction...]

    - eventually get her talking about past relationships / sex / etc. (good strategy?)
    [emotional tampon = beta/DLV…talking about her sexual fantasy/past (future) 'adventures' (with you) = alpha/DHV…

    - some physical contact, legs, arms brushing. Hand on back when possible.
    [good…]

    - a second round of beer, maybe third.
    ['taking her out' = beta provider vibe…]

    - end the night two hours later (weeknight)
    [some arbitrary rule?…is your mom going to ground you for being up late on a school night…lol… the willingness to break a rule = DHV…why end the date if it's going towards SNL…? know the difference between a 'good' date and 'bad' date (and how to turn it around/eject gracefully) = socially savvy = alpha/DHV...]

    - then, 33% make out, 66% “nice to meet you”.”
    [nice to meet you = no sexual tension = no day 2…make out in public place = ASD for next time, so she'll flake…rather than face her slutty behavior…solution = increase sexual tension through kino escalation (but NO make out…) and eject early enough to have it be YOUR choice…set logistics for day 2 date, no sexual banter until actually on the date, then get her isolated with plausible deniability (so it can 'just happen') then ramp up the make out to a lay…that's the general game plan anyway…]

    also, you can be interested in what women have to say without being beta…BUT it’s really advanced PUA techs…lol…bc you have to pull her while ‘being her equal’ and that just aint gonna happen before the bang…lol…at least not with any ‘attractive’ girls…lol…you need as much SMV differential (on the upside) as you can get…to overcome the ‘entitlement’ mentality of SWPL girls…]

    good luck!


    • YaReally
      on July 9, 2014 at 4:26 pm
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      @R1J2
      “@yareally: Regarding the time limit, I was under the impression that first dates should be kept short.”

      The oldschool rule was “it takes about 7 hours being together from meet to lay”. So while it can go faster than that, you’re looking at needing between say 5-10 hours at your skill level of face time with her for her to be comfortable enough to bang you. So if you have her there, on a date with you, like she’s right there in front of you which is a miracle in itself in this day and age of flaking, why not knock as much of that required time off as possible while she’s there? Start the date at 7pm instead of 8 or 9. 7-10 be at the bar and doing your venue changes then back to your place, probably spend an hour or so escalating if you’re shy and you guys are having sex by 11-11:30, passed out together by midnight/12:30, plenty of time to sleep for work and it’s a bonding thing to txt eachother the next day “lol I am falling asleep at work. You are trouble ;)” etc anyway so even that’s good.

      There’s no “leave on a high note, leave her wanting more” as a default plan. That’s what you do if you absolutely can’t pull it off that night. Same way you only get a phone number if you have to, if you can’t pull her for sex that night then you “settle” for her number but that number shouldn’t be your end goal going in. Think further ahead, you know? Don’t aim to punch the board, aim to punch THROUGH the board.

      (also the leave her hanging thing might have been good in the old days but with modern tech women have constant validation coming in left and right. She gets home from your date to 10 new Tinder matches and 50 Likes on her Facebook photos from orbiter dudes. Before all that she needed to see you again to get another hit of validation but now she can get it from anywhere so we have to adapt and speed our games up. Hell back in the day we called “game” Speed Seduction lol)

      “About pushing to go home, I don’t know if I have the balls to do that yet”

      Well then how do you expect to have sex with them? Like logically ask yourself “how is my formula going to result in the result I want? What comes between us being on a date and us being in our bed?” I would bet that you don’t have an answer for that right now because society doesn’t teach us that, society teaches us that it “just happens”. But it doesn’t, one of you has to MAKE it happen and she won’t because it would feel too slutty to her to ask to come back to your place…so to whom does that leave the responsibility to make sex happen? ;)


    • YaReally
      on July 9, 2014 at 4:34 pm
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      Minor followup to my last point:

      Conceptually you’re putting yourself in a stalemate kind of like my nice guy buddies I have. Their goal is to get a girlfriend. They come out and they’re social and they talk to girls and girls love them, but they don’t want to make a move, they’re hoping the girl will make a move. But when girls make moves on them they view the girls as too aggressive/slutty so then they don’t want the girl.

      So logically their formula CANNOT lead to achieving their goal because they want the girls they like to make a move on them but the girls who make a move on them they stop liking. There is literally no way for their current formula to pan out. They have to either start making a move themselves or give the girls who make a move a chance, then the formula can lead to their goal.

      You are in a similar catch-22 where you don’t want to escalate or push to go back to your place, but the girls won’t do it either. So your formula cannot lead to achieving your goal of sex. You have to change your formula and the only change you can actively make is being more sexual and leading them back to your place and escalating to sex.

      If you don’t do that, your formula cannot lead to the result you want. Make sense?


  • YaReally
    on July 9, 2014 at 3:09 am
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    @R1J2
    “- end the night two hours later (weeknight)”

    You and the experience she’ll have fucking you is worth going into work tired for. Understand and fully believe that.

    You’re sabotaging yourself right now. You’re doing everything else right, but yhey probably aren’t coming around for round 2 because you didn’t believe you were high value enough to keep them out late on round 1 and if you don’t believe you’re worth their time, why would they?

    Venue change a couple times and pick venues close to your place so it’s an easy walk to your place. Cross your t’s and dot your i’s:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/4/#comment-rationalmale-18630

    And if you can’t stay up late because it’s you who has to get up early, start your dates a couple hours earlier lol Or have them on the weekend.

    Never plan to get the lay on the second date. Go into the first date fully planning to bang her within a couple hours. The second date only exists if you’ve tried everything on the first date and still couldn’t pull it off…don’t prematurely ejectulate and eject yourself out of there when you could’ve pushed it a bit more and pulled. She’s starting over from a new emotional headspace the next time you talk to her or see her, you have her right there in front of you, just keep going.

    There are no clocks or windows in casinos…why? Because they want you to lose track of time and forget about being responsible and just enjoy the emotional ride you’re on and keep going. Don’t acknowledge that it’s getting late or that you guys have responsibilities in the morning etc…be her escape from real life. No woman who’s been fucked good has ever gone into work tired the next day and said “I really wish I hadn’t had sex with that amazing attractive guy who gave me a bunch of orgasms and blew my mind, I really should’ve gotten a good night’s sleep so I could focus on my meaningless HR job shuffling papers around gossiping with my co-workers.” lol

    Also watch these vids, you may be coming off asexual in terms of intent to her, and eye-contact/cutting space/tonality can fix that:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/4/#comment-heartiste-556141

    Good luck! It’s absolutely a thing you can fix. I used to not get laid after a bunch of dates that went nowhere, then it became getting the lay within 3 dates, now I can’t even remember the last time I didn’t get the lay on the first date. Hell, sometimes I can get away with just pinning them against my door and making out with them and pulling them inside when they show up to pick me up and skip the whole date thing entirely lol My point is: this is a strategy/skillset you can develop. :)



Rationalizing Fearfulness

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R1J2
on July 8, 2014 at 6:30 pm
Original Link

First off, thanks to immoralgables, yareally, et al for their past help.

Secondly, been doing approaches since before approach week, but need a bit of advice.

During a date, is there a structure or a model you find helpful? Not looking for a step by step guide, but a general road map.

Although I’m getting more make outs, I’m just not able to get past the first date. I’m working on tweaking my vibe (come across as too friendly/ nice/ inexperienced), but just wondering if there is a structure I should also keep in mind.

All recent dates have followed this track more or less:

– meet up at a dive bar
– usually a cheerful greeting, get a hug/ or cheek kiss (cultural thing for me)
– talk about general stuff first 10 min
– tease her when I can
– keep her talking more than me about her wants, hopes, etc.
– eventually get her talking about past relationships / sex / etc. (good strategy?)
– some physical contact, legs, arms brushing. Hand on back when possible.
– a second round of beer, maybe third.
– end the night two hours later (weeknight)
– then, 33% make out, 66% “nice to meet you”.

I’d love to hear from someone who’s been there and has blasted through this. I know you can’t tell for sure what I’m doing wrong without actually seeing me, but if anyone notices a glaring mistake or a lack, I’d be grateful if you point it out.

A point I should make, I’m genuinely interested in what the women I go out with have to say. So, no social robot vibe, while also not getting too excited.

Thanks for taking the time to help.


  • having a bad day
    on July 8, 2014 at 8:14 pm
    Original Link

    @r1j2

    “All recent dates have followed this track more or less:

    – meet up at a dive bar
    [do you get there first and wait for her?=beta/DLV]

    – usually a cheerful greeting, get a hug/ or cheek kiss (cultural thing for me)
    [too happy to see her = beta/DLV…what has she done to deserve this reaction from you…just be a girl?…lol = beta…]

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/qualifying-her/

    – talk about general stuff first 10 min
    [are these ‘interview’ questions = beta/DLV…]

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/eliciting-sexual-values/

    – tease her when I can
    [good…should be sexual innuendo as much as possible..]

    – keep her talking more than me about her wants, hopes, etc.
    [good…but you still need to interject your DHV into the interaction…]

    – eventually get her talking about past relationships / sex / etc. (good strategy?)
    [emotional tampon = beta/DLV…talking about her sexual fantasy/past (future) ‘adventures’ (with you) = alpha/DHV…

    – some physical contact, legs, arms brushing. Hand on back when possible.
    [good…]

    – a second round of beer, maybe third.
    [‘taking her out’ = beta provider vibe…]

    – end the night two hours later (weeknight)
    [some arbitrary rule?…is your mom going to ground you for being up late on a school night…lol… the willingness to break a rule = DHV…why end the date if it’s going towards SNL…? know the difference between a ‘good’ date and ‘bad’ date (and how to turn it around/eject gracefully) = socially savvy = alpha/DHV…]

    – then, 33% make out, 66% “nice to meet you”.”
    [nice to meet you = no sexual tension = no day 2…make out in public place = ASD for next time, so she’ll flake…rather than face her slutty behavior…solution = increase sexual tension through kino escalation (but NO make out…) and eject early enough to have it be YOUR choice…set logistics for day 2 date, no sexual banter until actually on the date, then get her isolated with plausible deniability (so it can ‘just happen’) then ramp up the make out to a lay…that’s the general game plan anyway…]

    also, you can be interested in what women have to say without being beta…BUT it’s really advanced PUA techs…lol…bc you have to pull her while ‘being her equal’ and that just aint gonna happen before the bang…lol…at least not with any ‘attractive’ girls…lol…you need as much SMV differential (on the upside) as you can get…to overcome the ‘entitlement’ mentality of SWPL girls…]

    good luck!


    • YaReally
      on July 9, 2014 at 4:26 pm
      Original Link

      @R1J2
      “@yareally: Regarding the time limit, I was under the impression that first dates should be kept short.”

      The oldschool rule was “it takes about 7 hours being together from meet to lay”. So while it can go faster than that, you’re looking at needing between say 5-10 hours at your skill level of face time with her for her to be comfortable enough to bang you. So if you have her there, on a date with you, like she’s right there in front of you which is a miracle in itself in this day and age of flaking, why not knock as much of that required time off as possible while she’s there? Start the date at 7pm instead of 8 or 9. 7-10 be at the bar and doing your venue changes then back to your place, probably spend an hour or so escalating if you’re shy and you guys are having sex by 11-11:30, passed out together by midnight/12:30, plenty of time to sleep for work and it’s a bonding thing to txt eachother the next day “lol I am falling asleep at work. You are trouble ;)” etc anyway so even that’s good.

      There’s no “leave on a high note, leave her wanting more” as a default plan. That’s what you do if you absolutely can’t pull it off that night. Same way you only get a phone number if you have to, if you can’t pull her for sex that night then you “settle” for her number but that number shouldn’t be your end goal going in. Think further ahead, you know? Don’t aim to punch the board, aim to punch THROUGH the board.

      (also the leave her hanging thing might have been good in the old days but with modern tech women have constant validation coming in left and right. She gets home from your date to 10 new Tinder matches and 50 Likes on her Facebook photos from orbiter dudes. Before all that she needed to see you again to get another hit of validation but now she can get it from anywhere so we have to adapt and speed our games up. Hell back in the day we called “game” Speed Seduction lol)

      “About pushing to go home, I don’t know if I have the balls to do that yet”

      Well then how do you expect to have sex with them? Like logically ask yourself “how is my formula going to result in the result I want? What comes between us being on a date and us being in our bed?” I would bet that you don’t have an answer for that right now because society doesn’t teach us that, society teaches us that it “just happens”. But it doesn’t, one of you has to MAKE it happen and she won’t because it would feel too slutty to her to ask to come back to your place…so to whom does that leave the responsibility to make sex happen? ;)


    • YaReally
      on July 9, 2014 at 4:34 pm
      Original Link

      Minor followup to my last point:

      Conceptually you’re putting yourself in a stalemate kind of like my nice guy buddies I have. Their goal is to get a girlfriend. They come out and they’re social and they talk to girls and girls love them, but they don’t want to make a move, they’re hoping the girl will make a move. But when girls make moves on them they view the girls as too aggressive/slutty so then they don’t want the girl.

      So logically their formula CANNOT lead to achieving their goal because they want the girls they like to make a move on them but the girls who make a move on them they stop liking. There is literally no way for their current formula to pan out. They have to either start making a move themselves or give the girls who make a move a chance, then the formula can lead to their goal.

      You are in a similar catch-22 where you don’t want to escalate or push to go back to your place, but the girls won’t do it either. So your formula cannot lead to achieving your goal of sex. You have to change your formula and the only change you can actively make is being more sexual and leading them back to your place and escalating to sex.

      If you don’t do that, your formula cannot lead to the result you want. Make sense?


  • YaReally
    on July 9, 2014 at 3:09 am
    Original Link

    @R1J2
    “- end the night two hours later (weeknight)”

    You and the experience she’ll have fucking you is worth going into work tired for. Understand and fully believe that.

    You’re sabotaging yourself right now. You’re doing everything else right, but yhey probably aren’t coming around for round 2 because you didn’t believe you were high value enough to keep them out late on round 1 and if you don’t believe you’re worth their time, why would they?

    Venue change a couple times and pick venues close to your place so it’s an easy walk to your place. Cross your t’s and dot your i’s:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/4/#comment-rationalmale-18630

    And if you can’t stay up late because it’s you who has to get up early, start your dates a couple hours earlier lol Or have them on the weekend.

    Never plan to get the lay on the second date. Go into the first date fully planning to bang her within a couple hours. The second date only exists if you’ve tried everything on the first date and still couldn’t pull it off…don’t prematurely ejectulate and eject yourself out of there when you could’ve pushed it a bit more and pulled. She’s starting over from a new emotional headspace the next time you talk to her or see her, you have her right there in front of you, just keep going.

    There are no clocks or windows in casinos…why? Because they want you to lose track of time and forget about being responsible and just enjoy the emotional ride you’re on and keep going. Don’t acknowledge that it’s getting late or that you guys have responsibilities in the morning etc…be her escape from real life. No woman who’s been fucked good has ever gone into work tired the next day and said “I really wish I hadn’t had sex with that amazing attractive guy who gave me a bunch of orgasms and blew my mind, I really should’ve gotten a good night’s sleep so I could focus on my meaningless HR job shuffling papers around gossiping with my co-workers.” lol

    Also watch these vids, you may be coming off asexual in terms of intent to her, and eye-contact/cutting space/tonality can fix that:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/4/#comment-heartiste-556141

    Good luck! It’s absolutely a thing you can fix. I used to not get laid after a bunch of dates that went nowhere, then it became getting the lay within 3 dates, now I can’t even remember the last time I didn’t get the lay on the first date. Hell, sometimes I can get away with just pinning them against my door and making out with them and pulling them inside when they show up to pick me up and skip the whole date thing entirely lol My point is: this is a strategy/skillset you can develop. :)



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coolhandle
on July 9, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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“SHIVCALIBUR: Can’t wait for this conversation to heat up.
Mary’s Little Clam: That’s so weird. [she trots off]”

Confirmation that CH is a socially retarded spergboy. I notice that your text advice is very good, as are your writing skills, which are definitely top 1% of anything I’ve read. But your meatspace advice and, apparently, interactions are pure, unadulterated weaksauce creeper bullshit. Going up to a woman and expecting “the conversation” to just magically heat up? Beyond gay, not even remotely masculine. No wonder she fled.


  • Jay in DC
    on July 9, 2014 at 11:39 pm
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    It is, actually, in spite of my sheer fucking ANIMOSITY for Roosh V on certain issues, one of the things I admire most about that guy and CH on this last post. Unlike 90% of the so called PUA/Manosphere they don’t always talk about slaying pussy. RooshV -routinely- owned his mistakes and being shot down MANY times both in the States and abroad. This tells me he is motherfuckin’ real talk all day long.

    Not to mention, there is a certain twisted pleasure in chatting up DC bitches just to see their reaction when you operating from the amused mastery angle. Outcome independence can create some seriously funny shit, particularly if you are a raging alcoholic on occasion like NO ONE I know personally!

    This never (always) actually happened, and is just an example of the comedic LULZ you may get in DC these nights.

    If Hipster neckbeard is orbiting and you are still in drunken lunatic mode (again, I’ve only heard rumors)– ‘Yeah ok go away now, I have it under control’ this scenario is usually 2-3 girls and 2-3 hipsters in a group. Just like any other herding animal, you simply need to isolate one. Find the most pencil necked hipster in the gaggle and pull him aside.

    Whispering is best… ‘you realize, I’m going to take that girl on your left home tonight and fuck a baby into her? Something you’ve been wanting to do I suppose? It is odd because I’m at least 10 years older than her but she cannot avert her gaze from me, and it looks more sexual than friend. Has she ever looked at you that way ever? Now I’m going to leave and you are going to make a decision about what to say next. Your two options are, I know this guy through a friend, or the truth, this guy just walked up to me and LLLLOOLLL what the fuck? Your probably realize I’m at least 50lbs bigger and stronger at least and not afraid to dump your chubby face and glasses into a heap if I think you answered wrong. But I know you wouldn’t do that.’

    This is not “Game” especially if you are YaReally.

    Like coolhandle said all messageboard warrior. I am not here. This never happened. I have never run this EXACT scenario in DC. I have never been kicked out of bars. DC Metro Police and I have never interacted ever. I live vicariously through the web. Thank you.


    • YaReally
      on July 10, 2014 at 12:07 am
      Original Link

      lol I’ll pass on whispering into guys ears with my arm around their shoulder in the bar. Was he hard? Did you guys swordfight? Remember to isolate and close!! Good luck brah!!



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coolhandle
on July 9, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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“SHIVCALIBUR: Can’t wait for this conversation to heat up.
Mary’s Little Clam: That’s so weird. [she trots off]”

Confirmation that CH is a socially retarded spergboy. I notice that your text advice is very good, as are your writing skills, which are definitely top 1% of anything I’ve read. But your meatspace advice and, apparently, interactions are pure, unadulterated weaksauce creeper bullshit. Going up to a woman and expecting “the conversation” to just magically heat up? Beyond gay, not even remotely masculine. No wonder she fled.


  • Jay in DC
    on July 9, 2014 at 11:39 pm
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    It is, actually, in spite of my sheer fucking ANIMOSITY for Roosh V on certain issues, one of the things I admire most about that guy and CH on this last post. Unlike 90% of the so called PUA/Manosphere they don’t always talk about slaying pussy. RooshV -routinely- owned his mistakes and being shot down MANY times both in the States and abroad. This tells me he is motherfuckin’ real talk all day long.

    Not to mention, there is a certain twisted pleasure in chatting up DC bitches just to see their reaction when you operating from the amused mastery angle. Outcome independence can create some seriously funny shit, particularly if you are a raging alcoholic on occasion like NO ONE I know personally!

    This never (always) actually happened, and is just an example of the comedic LULZ you may get in DC these nights.

    If Hipster neckbeard is orbiting and you are still in drunken lunatic mode (again, I’ve only heard rumors)– ‘Yeah ok go away now, I have it under control’ this scenario is usually 2-3 girls and 2-3 hipsters in a group. Just like any other herding animal, you simply need to isolate one. Find the most pencil necked hipster in the gaggle and pull him aside.

    Whispering is best… ‘you realize, I’m going to take that girl on your left home tonight and fuck a baby into her? Something you’ve been wanting to do I suppose? It is odd because I’m at least 10 years older than her but she cannot avert her gaze from me, and it looks more sexual than friend. Has she ever looked at you that way ever? Now I’m going to leave and you are going to make a decision about what to say next. Your two options are, I know this guy through a friend, or the truth, this guy just walked up to me and LLLLOOLLL what the fuck? Your probably realize I’m at least 50lbs bigger and stronger at least and not afraid to dump your chubby face and glasses into a heap if I think you answered wrong. But I know you wouldn’t do that.’

    This is not “Game” especially if you are YaReally.

    Like coolhandle said all messageboard warrior. I am not here. This never happened. I have never run this EXACT scenario in DC. I have never been kicked out of bars. DC Metro Police and I have never interacted ever. I live vicariously through the web. Thank you.


    • YaReally
      on July 10, 2014 at 12:07 am
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      lol I’ll pass on whispering into guys ears with my arm around their shoulder in the bar. Was he hard? Did you guys swordfight? Remember to isolate and close!! Good luck brah!!