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greginaurora
on April 29, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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Just another set of examples why I don’t care about women’s opinions on what they claim they like and don’t like.

You know what clothing women really like? Anything worn by a man behaving like an Alpha.


  • YaReally
    on April 29, 2014 at 1:48 pm
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    “You know what clothing women really like? Anything worn by a man behaving like an Alpha.”

    I don’t wear it because it’s cool, it’s cool because I wear it.



Fashion Mistakes Men Despise About Women

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greginaurora
on April 29, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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Just another set of examples why I don’t care about women’s opinions on what they claim they like and don’t like.

You know what clothing women really like? Anything worn by a man behaving like an Alpha.


  • YaReally
    on April 29, 2014 at 1:48 pm
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    “You know what clothing women really like? Anything worn by a man behaving like an Alpha.”

    I don’t wear it because it’s cool, it’s cool because I wear it.



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English Dude
on April 29, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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Alright, could do with a tad advice here:

- Met up with a redhead had been speaking to online. Both mid 20s, English.

- Had previously enjoyed a bit of sexual banter (nothing too deep). Where I was teasing her about having a naughty side, and her asking whether I’d like to see that side of her, (tis what lead to meeting up).

- She asked when I was taking her out. I asked why when we could enjoy spending more time relaxing together instead, (I’m super busy with work stuff at the moment, and having to go in the early hours etc.). She agreed.

- Met up, chatted a bit, was about to head back to mine and she goes, “We’ve just met! :O” “Can we go somewhere else first?”.

- I should have been ready for this with a backup plan, have previously banged women straightaway (though I’m no Alpha. Typical Software Engineer who’s normally invisible to women unless I’m trying hard. Experimenting / observing game concepts, but not applying many techniques yet).

- Fortunately rather than stumbling for more than a millisecond, I mentioned fine, I was hungry (I was), let’s get some food. Managed to find somewhere and have meal (nothing too expensive, just a pub meal). Quipped I was expecting her to buy me a drink, but fortunately they were included with the meals.

- Chatted a bit about random stuff. Teased her a lil but nothing too heavy, no kino or any of that. Had an alright time at least. Walked back to the station but was clear she wasn’t going to come with me, she mentioned my train was there so I said “alright, bye”. We smiled and parted.

- Didn’t get really close to me all night, nor was she really sexual in any way, (except mentioning she used to be a cheerleader, and when I asked, yes she still has the outfit..), plus I was tired / grumpy anyways due to being up in the early hours all week. She was nice enough, and not an airhead, but I wasn’t mega hooked due to her complete lack of flirtyness that she showed before meeting, and seemed to me she seemed the same. Was going to write it off as missed opportunities and misplays.


  • English Dude
    on April 29, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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    HOWEVER:

    - About half an hour after leaving, I received a text: “So what did you think of me [name]?”

    - Interesting.. I didn’t expect a message at all, never mind that fast. I felt like she’d handed control back to me here, so I went about my business and replied just over an hour later with: “hmm”, to delay things and maintain control.

    - Received reply ONE minute later: “What do you mean? I’m shy when I first meet people :P” -(She didn’t seem mega shy, chatty enough at least.)

    - This is why I’m posting here since I’d rather not fall into a trap of her fishing for compliments, and also if I do have some control, to keep it and possibly direct it from there. I THINK due to the fact I felt she wasn’t that interested, and being tired as shit, I may have portrayed some aloofness / coldness rather than the interest I showed before meeting.

    - Thinking of going with: “Need more convincing” here. To keep her chasing (if interested). It’s also exactly what I said when she mentioned her “naughty side” previously, and what triggered us meeting. If she seems pliable, was thinking of going straight with “Cheerleader outfit, bring it” or something similar.

    - Do you lot think that’s adequate, or is there a much better way? (Keep in mind I’m hardly Mr Super PUA so can’t be anything too full on). I get the feeling she’s a tad romantically starved (since I teased her about watching chick flicks in her pjs alone with icecream, which she didn’t deny) etc. So wary of falling into the “romance only” trap heh. Any advice on how to progress is appreciated.


    • YaReally
      on April 29, 2014 at 5:48 pm
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      Send her “I think you’re looking for something more serious than I am.”


    • YaReally
      on April 29, 2014 at 8:58 pm
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      @Zombie

      Plz. Just stop.


    • YaReally
      on April 30, 2014 at 3:23 pm
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      @English
      “Do you think I’m sexy?”

      I’d have said something like “I think you’re capable of being sexy but you didn’t really bring it out the other night. I think you’ll do better next time.”

      For whatever reason she wants your validation. Don’t give it away for cheap, it’s not hard to leverage it into another date that ends with a bang. I would do the same thing as you originally planned for the Day 3, meet and have a drink (get her back in a good state) then head to your place and escalate. If she gives any kind of resistance, freeze-out Mystery Method style even if it’s on the actual date and/or considering just getting up and walking out mid-date if she isn’t going to put out lol. Don’t get sucked into buying her another free dinner…but also expect to have to have at least a drink together somewhere public near your place before heading to your place. It sounds like you were surprised she didn’t immediately want to come over last time…gotta chill for a bit and loosen her up and re-attract her first.



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English Dude
on April 29, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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Alright, could do with a tad advice here:

– Met up with a redhead had been speaking to online. Both mid 20s, English.

– Had previously enjoyed a bit of sexual banter (nothing too deep). Where I was teasing her about having a naughty side, and her asking whether I’d like to see that side of her, (tis what lead to meeting up).

– She asked when I was taking her out. I asked why when we could enjoy spending more time relaxing together instead, (I’m super busy with work stuff at the moment, and having to go in the early hours etc.). She agreed.

– Met up, chatted a bit, was about to head back to mine and she goes, “We’ve just met! :O” “Can we go somewhere else first?”.

– I should have been ready for this with a backup plan, have previously banged women straightaway (though I’m no Alpha. Typical Software Engineer who’s normally invisible to women unless I’m trying hard. Experimenting / observing game concepts, but not applying many techniques yet).

– Fortunately rather than stumbling for more than a millisecond, I mentioned fine, I was hungry (I was), let’s get some food. Managed to find somewhere and have meal (nothing too expensive, just a pub meal). Quipped I was expecting her to buy me a drink, but fortunately they were included with the meals.

– Chatted a bit about random stuff. Teased her a lil but nothing too heavy, no kino or any of that. Had an alright time at least. Walked back to the station but was clear she wasn’t going to come with me, she mentioned my train was there so I said “alright, bye”. We smiled and parted.

– Didn’t get really close to me all night, nor was she really sexual in any way, (except mentioning she used to be a cheerleader, and when I asked, yes she still has the outfit..), plus I was tired / grumpy anyways due to being up in the early hours all week. She was nice enough, and not an airhead, but I wasn’t mega hooked due to her complete lack of flirtyness that she showed before meeting, and seemed to me she seemed the same. Was going to write it off as missed opportunities and misplays.


  • English Dude
    on April 29, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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    HOWEVER:

    – About half an hour after leaving, I received a text: “So what did you think of me [name]?”

    – Interesting.. I didn’t expect a message at all, never mind that fast. I felt like she’d handed control back to me here, so I went about my business and replied just over an hour later with: “hmm”, to delay things and maintain control.

    – Received reply ONE minute later: “What do you mean? I’m shy when I first meet people :P” -(She didn’t seem mega shy, chatty enough at least.)

    – This is why I’m posting here since I’d rather not fall into a trap of her fishing for compliments, and also if I do have some control, to keep it and possibly direct it from there. I THINK due to the fact I felt she wasn’t that interested, and being tired as shit, I may have portrayed some aloofness / coldness rather than the interest I showed before meeting.

    – Thinking of going with: “Need more convincing” here. To keep her chasing (if interested). It’s also exactly what I said when she mentioned her “naughty side” previously, and what triggered us meeting. If she seems pliable, was thinking of going straight with “Cheerleader outfit, bring it” or something similar.

    – Do you lot think that’s adequate, or is there a much better way? (Keep in mind I’m hardly Mr Super PUA so can’t be anything too full on). I get the feeling she’s a tad romantically starved (since I teased her about watching chick flicks in her pjs alone with icecream, which she didn’t deny) etc. So wary of falling into the “romance only” trap heh. Any advice on how to progress is appreciated.


    • YaReally
      on April 29, 2014 at 5:48 pm
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      Send her “I think you’re looking for something more serious than I am.”


    • YaReally
      on April 29, 2014 at 8:58 pm
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      @Zombie

      Plz. Just stop.


    • YaReally
      on April 30, 2014 at 3:23 pm
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      @English
      “Do you think I’m sexy?”

      I’d have said something like “I think you’re capable of being sexy but you didn’t really bring it out the other night. I think you’ll do better next time.”

      For whatever reason she wants your validation. Don’t give it away for cheap, it’s not hard to leverage it into another date that ends with a bang. I would do the same thing as you originally planned for the Day 3, meet and have a drink (get her back in a good state) then head to your place and escalate. If she gives any kind of resistance, freeze-out Mystery Method style even if it’s on the actual date and/or considering just getting up and walking out mid-date if she isn’t going to put out lol. Don’t get sucked into buying her another free dinner…but also expect to have to have at least a drink together somewhere public near your place before heading to your place. It sounds like you were surprised she didn’t immediately want to come over last time…gotta chill for a bit and loosen her up and re-attract her first.



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Grim
on April 28, 2014 at 1:47 pm
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Live field report. Need help, please. Texting with 22yo HB10 (yes, she’s a 10, if one can exist–if you think 10s don’t exist, then she’s *easily* a 9). I have pre-established high value because of a work thing. She’s known me for 5 years but I never paid any attention to her (she kind of flirts around the office) because (a) 5 years ago when I met her, she was 17 and (b) I had a GF and I didn’t want to do anything that could get me in trouble at work. Now she’s 22 and I’m single.

She got my # last Thursday and only reason I didn’t get her # is my phone was dead. This was after a work after hours event. No joke. Anyway…

First thing this morning:

Her (7:52 AM): Hey [my name]!! Good morning!!! How was your weekend?

Me (8:30 AM): great thanks. Who’s this? (I really didn’t know for sure…she was not in my phone)

Her (8:32 AM): I’m sure if your knew you wouldn’t text me lol I think I just added you on facebook lol I’m a loser like that

(she has low self esteem even though she’s an HB10 … no daddy/crazy single mom issues)

Me: (8:50 AM): Don’t be so sure. I don’t facebook anymore.

Her (8:50 AM [instantly]): Lol it’s jolly [her name].. I hope you have a great week :-)

Me (8:55AM): [her name]. you do seem jolly ;-P

Her: (9:20): Life’s to (sic) short to not be jolly lol

Me (9:40): Yep!!!!!! : ) : ) : ) : )

…more chatter…. she’s in school today taking test

Her (12:53 PM): I’m down for drinks. Want to meet up today? (last thursday she said she wanted to do something this thursday)

Me: after 9 maybe

Her: After 9? :-(

Me: I need gym. When?

Her: No gym !!! (40 minutes ago)

…….. My text game sucks. What next? I think I should do dark and pick up the phone and call her later, like after I go to the gym.


  • YaReally
    on April 28, 2014 at 4:59 pm
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    She wants to fuck you tonight.

    Isolate, build some Comfort, then escalate.

    “Should I come by the office?” = a chance for isolation, even if she has friends at the bar she’s willing to isolate herself to come get you

    “Ya come get me at 6. Don’t show up wasted and barf on me.” = her ideally showing up not too drunk to game. Then you just laser-eyes the shit out of her and take her for a tour of the office or whatever and just build a little comfort and pull her in for a kiss and fuck her in the office. (Make no move toward actually going to the bar like don’t be like “ok lemme just get my things and we can go”. Just assume she doesn’t want to go back to the bar and let her bring it up and then stall it as long as possible and try to derail it…going from isolation back into a group setting is going backwards)

    Ideally you shouldn’t leave your office without having at least kissed her to set the tone that you two are hooking up later even if you have to go hang out for drinks for a bit first. You’re setting a “we’re not just drinking buddies, if you’re alone with me I will fuck you” frame.

    Alternatively you could just txt her after the gym and tell her to come over but that could be too much compliance and trigger ASD so I like this opportunity she’s giving you to come isolate herself with you.

    She wants to bone tho. You have a lot of value to her because you turned her down for the gym and made her tell you who she was etc lol you’re basically being difficult which she loves because she’s not used to guys being difficult. That’s why you could go to the gym and probably still bang her eventually but i would order them like this

    Best to worst situs for getting the lay tonight:

    1) she comes to your office alone to get you (this is ideal, isolation plus she’s chasing you, you could either bang at your office or build a solid lead for sex after you guys have a drink at her bar)

    2) she stays put and you go to the gym and go to where she’s at after (less ideal, you’ll walk into a group situ BUT you’ll at least do it on your terms/timeline and make gym a priority over her which makes you high value like you don’t cave to her shit. So here you would just run standard game. Ignore her and joke with her friends then escalate with her isolate and makeout and lead it to a bang)

    3) you go to the gym and txt her to come over after (this is isolation which is good but this one runs a high risk of triggering ASD/flaking because it’s huge compliance so it’s low on the list)

    4) you skip the gym AND go to where she’s at. This is orbiter chode shit. DO NOT DO THIS. It’s exactly what she expects guys to do because she’s hot. Even total radio silence is better the this. You would be walking into the bar in a low value frame by default to her.

    And if you say come pick me up and she flakes on that, which she might because she’ll expect you to be like “where are you?? I’ll come there” and chase her, instead you just go to the gym and radio silence her the rest of the night as punishment (unless she txts demanding to come over in which case you make a fuss about it like “no you’re probably wasted and I’m not babysitting your drunk ass” and “dunno. I gotta work in the morning” like it’s an inconvenience to allow her to come over until you let her finally come over then you just kiss her at the door and bang lol)

    Good luck. Let us know what happens


    • YaReally
      on April 28, 2014 at 8:07 pm
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      @ho

      Strong eye-contact. Fuck that aloof shit, show your intent thru your eyes. You can sexually escalate just through your eye-contact and the way you speak, you don’t even need to kino or have much verbal game.

      I’m currently in the middle of unwiring the “look away and show aloofness” habits I built up from old community shit that was great advice for some people who can’t read social cues and don’t realize they’re staring too much and weirding people out, but once you aren’t socially retarded the more eye-contact the better ESPECIALLY when you’re building Comfort/Rapport and transitioning into Seduction.

      If you do look away, do it on points where she’s done something that you disapprove of. And with smokin hot girls you COULD start out with aloof eyes until they do something that “wins you over” and then you reward them with intense laser-eyes, but personally I prefer lasering from the word hello. It usually takes them 10-30 seconds to kind of realize you’re lasering and then something “clicks” and they fall into heavy attraction.

      I’m planning to write a big post about it down the road when I’ve got all the nuances down into something easily explainable/teachable and consistently applicable but it’ll be a few more months probably. it’s heavily based off the stuff these guys are teaching/demonstrating below though, I’m just looking deeper into some of the nuances they don’t cover because I think it’s fascinating. A buddy and I are both experimenting with it and comparing notes. Start by watching this stuff though:

      28:00 into this clip:

      1:30 into this clip:


    • YaReally
      on April 29, 2014 at 1:47 pm
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      @Zombie
      “I’d pick up a barstool and crack his God-damned skull in half.”

      of COURSE you would…lol



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Grim
on April 28, 2014 at 1:47 pm
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Live field report. Need help, please. Texting with 22yo HB10 (yes, she’s a 10, if one can exist–if you think 10s don’t exist, then she’s *easily* a 9). I have pre-established high value because of a work thing. She’s known me for 5 years but I never paid any attention to her (she kind of flirts around the office) because (a) 5 years ago when I met her, she was 17 and (b) I had a GF and I didn’t want to do anything that could get me in trouble at work. Now she’s 22 and I’m single.

She got my # last Thursday and only reason I didn’t get her # is my phone was dead. This was after a work after hours event. No joke. Anyway…

First thing this morning:

Her (7:52 AM): Hey [my name]!! Good morning!!! How was your weekend?

Me (8:30 AM): great thanks. Who’s this? (I really didn’t know for sure…she was not in my phone)

Her (8:32 AM): I’m sure if your knew you wouldn’t text me lol I think I just added you on facebook lol I’m a loser like that

(she has low self esteem even though she’s an HB10 … no daddy/crazy single mom issues)

Me: (8:50 AM): Don’t be so sure. I don’t facebook anymore.

Her (8:50 AM [instantly]): Lol it’s jolly [her name].. I hope you have a great week :-)

Me (8:55AM): [her name]. you do seem jolly ;-P

Her: (9:20): Life’s to (sic) short to not be jolly lol

Me (9:40): Yep!!!!!! : ) : ) : ) : )

…more chatter…. she’s in school today taking test

Her (12:53 PM): I’m down for drinks. Want to meet up today? (last thursday she said she wanted to do something this thursday)

Me: after 9 maybe

Her: After 9? :-(

Me: I need gym. When?

Her: No gym !!! (40 minutes ago)

…….. My text game sucks. What next? I think I should do dark and pick up the phone and call her later, like after I go to the gym.


  • YaReally
    on April 28, 2014 at 4:59 pm
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    She wants to fuck you tonight.

    Isolate, build some Comfort, then escalate.

    “Should I come by the office?” = a chance for isolation, even if she has friends at the bar she’s willing to isolate herself to come get you

    “Ya come get me at 6. Don’t show up wasted and barf on me.” = her ideally showing up not too drunk to game. Then you just laser-eyes the shit out of her and take her for a tour of the office or whatever and just build a little comfort and pull her in for a kiss and fuck her in the office. (Make no move toward actually going to the bar like don’t be like “ok lemme just get my things and we can go”. Just assume she doesn’t want to go back to the bar and let her bring it up and then stall it as long as possible and try to derail it…going from isolation back into a group setting is going backwards)

    Ideally you shouldn’t leave your office without having at least kissed her to set the tone that you two are hooking up later even if you have to go hang out for drinks for a bit first. You’re setting a “we’re not just drinking buddies, if you’re alone with me I will fuck you” frame.

    Alternatively you could just txt her after the gym and tell her to come over but that could be too much compliance and trigger ASD so I like this opportunity she’s giving you to come isolate herself with you.

    She wants to bone tho. You have a lot of value to her because you turned her down for the gym and made her tell you who she was etc lol you’re basically being difficult which she loves because she’s not used to guys being difficult. That’s why you could go to the gym and probably still bang her eventually but i would order them like this

    Best to worst situs for getting the lay tonight:

    1) she comes to your office alone to get you (this is ideal, isolation plus she’s chasing you, you could either bang at your office or build a solid lead for sex after you guys have a drink at her bar)

    2) she stays put and you go to the gym and go to where she’s at after (less ideal, you’ll walk into a group situ BUT you’ll at least do it on your terms/timeline and make gym a priority over her which makes you high value like you don’t cave to her shit. So here you would just run standard game. Ignore her and joke with her friends then escalate with her isolate and makeout and lead it to a bang)

    3) you go to the gym and txt her to come over after (this is isolation which is good but this one runs a high risk of triggering ASD/flaking because it’s huge compliance so it’s low on the list)

    4) you skip the gym AND go to where she’s at. This is orbiter chode shit. DO NOT DO THIS. It’s exactly what she expects guys to do because she’s hot. Even total radio silence is better the this. You would be walking into the bar in a low value frame by default to her.

    And if you say come pick me up and she flakes on that, which she might because she’ll expect you to be like “where are you?? I’ll come there” and chase her, instead you just go to the gym and radio silence her the rest of the night as punishment (unless she txts demanding to come over in which case you make a fuss about it like “no you’re probably wasted and I’m not babysitting your drunk ass” and “dunno. I gotta work in the morning” like it’s an inconvenience to allow her to come over until you let her finally come over then you just kiss her at the door and bang lol)

    Good luck. Let us know what happens


    • YaReally
      on April 28, 2014 at 8:07 pm
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      @ho

      Strong eye-contact. Fuck that aloof shit, show your intent thru your eyes. You can sexually escalate just through your eye-contact and the way you speak, you don’t even need to kino or have much verbal game.

      I’m currently in the middle of unwiring the “look away and show aloofness” habits I built up from old community shit that was great advice for some people who can’t read social cues and don’t realize they’re staring too much and weirding people out, but once you aren’t socially retarded the more eye-contact the better ESPECIALLY when you’re building Comfort/Rapport and transitioning into Seduction.

      If you do look away, do it on points where she’s done something that you disapprove of. And with smokin hot girls you COULD start out with aloof eyes until they do something that “wins you over” and then you reward them with intense laser-eyes, but personally I prefer lasering from the word hello. It usually takes them 10-30 seconds to kind of realize you’re lasering and then something “clicks” and they fall into heavy attraction.

      I’m planning to write a big post about it down the road when I’ve got all the nuances down into something easily explainable/teachable and consistently applicable but it’ll be a few more months probably. it’s heavily based off the stuff these guys are teaching/demonstrating below though, I’m just looking deeper into some of the nuances they don’t cover because I think it’s fascinating. A buddy and I are both experimenting with it and comparing notes. Start by watching this stuff though:

      28:00 into this clip:

      1:30 into this clip:


    • YaReally
      on April 29, 2014 at 1:47 pm
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      @Zombie
      “I’d pick up a barstool and crack his God-damned skull in half.”

      of COURSE you would…lol



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immoralgables
on April 25, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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Something similar just happened with me where a girl broke rapport when I asked where she works.

http://i.imgur.com/t1rBJlG.jpg


  • YaRealy
    on April 25, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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    Solid play!



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YaRealy
on April 25, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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These chicks are my bread & butter. They’re the easiest to get attraction from if you’re sharp/witty because they aren’t used to getting one-upped.

Honky Dong: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Honky Dong: Try not to break a sweat then.

Not a big fan of this one. For her to jump on the cocky bait at the end there, she’d have to see you as super high-value and if you were that high-value you wouldn’t be getting that shit-test in the first place.

I predict she would force you back into a chasing from by simply not replying, so the end result is either you have to text her in a few days to get any kind of conversation going again and ruin your “I’m the prize” frame, or you refuse to txt her and she refuses to txt you because she has other options and you just never get the lay because it’s a stalemate. So in terms of strategy, it comes with a big risk of painting yourself into a corner.

I would use something like this:

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.

And use it as a springboard into showing intent. But I tend to use a “go ahead and try to reject me, it’s cute…it won’t work, but it’s cute that you think we aren’t going to have sex. Silly girl” unapolgetically forward frame VS a “force her to chase me” frame. Plus it says that I consider the game fun, not work/frustration.

This txt isn’t going to make her go “omg come over and let me suck your dick”, but the end result is that I can txt her whenever I want after this without losing value if she doesn’t reply, she might reply with a simple “lol” which is a green light to me to keep going, or she might like that I wasn’t phased and send something like “that’s true” and I can go into something like “now if the sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?” and start qualifying her.

Actually I would probably send that after a few min regardless of whether she replies or not lol so it would look like:

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.
(5 min later)
Me: Now if sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?

If she’s giving you shit like she did up above she probably wouldn’t actually qualify herself by saying like “no, I’m amazing” (tho that would tell me it’s on if she did that), but she’d probably agree & amplify with “yup I am” which I would agree & amplify with “that’s what it said on the wall in the men’s room.” etc. etc. either way now we’re talking about sex so it’s all heading toward my goal.

But hey, this is all just mental masturbation ain’t it lol It’s Friday night, go out and grab a # and try some actual txt game. :D


  • Zombie Shane
    on April 25, 2014 at 4:36 pm
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    > “These chicks are my bread & butter.”

    Well thank the Good Lord that you’re deflowering the “Smart Asses”.

    And not the nice girls from the good families.

    Although maybe I shouldn’t be giving you any ideas.


    • YaRealy
      on April 25, 2014 at 4:39 pm
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      “And not the nice girls from the good families.”

      M/W complex.


  • Bray
    on April 25, 2014 at 4:41 pm
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    I tried something similar like this last night. Don’t think it went down well.

    Her: saying how much she sucks at cooking, sports etc
    Me: Fuck. Haha. Next you’ll be telling me you are a starfish too.
    Her: Cool beans haha

    At this stage I figured she wasn’t too impressed and was trying to shit test me so I just played it off with

    Tell me something you are good at or enjoy then!

    No reply, it was late so she possibly called it. Or I fucked up my chance.
    Thoughts?


    • YaReally
      on April 26, 2014 at 11:06 am
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      wow from now on I’m going to learn all my game from Zombie Shane.



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Field Report:

Was at the club last night and approached a 6.5/10 Asian chick. She was with her friend and her friend’s boyfriend dancing alone. I was with my friends dancing next to their group and my friends were telling me to go for it. I’m not going to lie, it was my first approach of the day so I was slightly nervous. I move in for the dance and we start dancing with each other.

She tells me, “I can’t be a third wheel with my friend blah blah” the music was loud so it was hard to hear.

We danced some more, held hands, and talked a bit. Her friend and her friend’s boyfriend were doing some serious grinding.

I tell her, “Yo, we gotta match up with your friend over there.”
Her: “But they are boyfriend and girlfriend!”
Me: “Yeah? That’s okay lets have some fun.”

She bends over and starts grinding on me hard. I tap her friend.
“Whats up? What you guys got on that?”
Girls start laughing and we start doing a dancing competition.

A bit later another one of her friends came in the middle of us and cockblocked and said, “bye!” I said, “See you later!” My girl I was dancing with was still standing around my perimeter while I turned around while still dancing with my group of friends (mixed with guys and girls). I grabbed her by the hand again and we continued dancing with her friend and her boyfriend.

This girl was worthwhile and interested so I told myself fuck it why not. I’ll buy her a drink. So I tell her, “let me get you a drink. Don’t worry I’ll bring you back to your friends.” We go grab a drink, talk, come back do some more heavy grinding and have a good time.

About 20 minutes later her friend and her boyfriend were about to leave (that was her ride) and she tells me she has to go. She wanted my number.

Me: Where you guys heading to?
Her: I have to head back XXX they’re going home now.
Me: I live in XXX too I’ll take you back.
She thinks a bit and says, “okay” and tells her friend. Her friend gives me the stink stare with the impression of you better get her home. I do a pinky promise with her.

So here I am with just me and this girl. I owed one of my friends a drink so I had to get him one. I told her “I owe my friend a drink.I gotta buy him one.” So I take her hand and grab my friend a drink and introduce them for a little blah blah.

After a short period of dancing I noticed her interest was slowly declining, She spots one of her other friends shes with and springs towards him. She looks back at me and I assumed that was her way of trying to get away. I didn’t bother to chase at this point and continued my night with some other girls, but nowhere near what I did with her.

So my question is WTF went wrong here? I assume I didn’t escalate quick enough where I had to be making out with her or some shit and also building a deeper connection with her.

Thoughts and comments are much appreciated.


  • YaReally
    on April 26, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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    That shit was rock solid till the end lol. You just made 2 common tactical errors:

    1) you went backwards in the sarge rather than forwards

    2) you had Attraction but not Comfort. Attraction is fun but it in general it doesn’t get you laid, COMFORT is what gets you laid. The Attraction stage and everything you do in it is basically for the purpose of getting to isolation where you can enter Comfort and start the actual seduction.

    “So here I am with just me and this girl. I owed one of my friends a drink so I had to get him one. I told her “I owe my friend a drink.I gotta buy him one.” So I take her hand and grab my friend a drink and introduce them for a little blah blah.

    After a short period of dancing I noticed her interest was slowly declining”

    You had full isolation with her and she was into you enough to ditch her friends. Your Attraction stage was done and you now had the window to enter Comfort. All you had to do from here is take her to a dark quieter corner somewhere away from everyone either of you know and build massive Comfort, then pull.

    Or to avoid risking interruptions by your or her friends, you could say “I’m hungry, let’s get food” and pull her out up the street to some quiet food place where you can get a booth in a corner and build Comfort while you eat and then pull her home.

    Or you could go “I’m hungry, let’s get food” and pull her out of the bar and just go for a long walk and build Comfort then to “you know what I have leftover pizza at my place lets just eat that” and lead her home and bang.

    Instead, what you did was you snapped her out of the seduction by continuing to try to DHV and build Attraction by social proofing yourself introducing her to your friends and trying to play a bit aloof and then you took her back onto the dance floor where it’s full of external stimulus to shake her out of the seduction vibe and go back into Attrsction instead of forward into Comfort.

    So in the end ya she’s Attracted and ya she was probably turned on etc but you didn’t know her soul and all her hopes and dreams and how her relationship with her father was, sharing your hopes and dreams, etc lol, the gay stuff that builds a solid Comfort connection with her.

    You essentially did the metaphorical equivalent of flipping super bright lights on right after a slow sad romantic movie and then put on an action movie moving the sarge backwards, instead of leaving the lights off and cuddling up and whispering in her and moving forward.

    Make sense? This happens all the fuckin time so don’t sweat it. If you see her again you can get her laughing then try for Comfort again and get the lay.

    Remember: Attraction doesn’t get you laid. COMFORT gets you laid. And you only need to do enough Attraction to get her isolated to where you can enter Comfort. More Attraction feels great and everyone enjoys it but it doesn’t get you to the bedroom (generally speaking, there are exceptions but they’re rare circumstances you don’t bank on if you want consistency).

    Any Qs just ask, a lot of guys run into this prob. It’s the cause of why guys hit the # plateau where they get intermediate in the game and start collecting 10 #s a night but all 10 #s flake because they got the number during Attraction, not Comfort. It’s frustrating until you figure out what’s missing lol



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on April 25, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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Something similar just happened with me where a girl broke rapport when I asked where she works.


  • YaRealy
    on April 25, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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    Solid play!



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These chicks are my bread & butter. They’re the easiest to get attraction from if you’re sharp/witty because they aren’t used to getting one-upped.

Honky Dong: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Honky Dong: Try not to break a sweat then.

Not a big fan of this one. For her to jump on the cocky bait at the end there, she’d have to see you as super high-value and if you were that high-value you wouldn’t be getting that shit-test in the first place.

I predict she would force you back into a chasing from by simply not replying, so the end result is either you have to text her in a few days to get any kind of conversation going again and ruin your “I’m the prize” frame, or you refuse to txt her and she refuses to txt you because she has other options and you just never get the lay because it’s a stalemate. So in terms of strategy, it comes with a big risk of painting yourself into a corner.

I would use something like this:

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.

And use it as a springboard into showing intent. But I tend to use a “go ahead and try to reject me, it’s cute…it won’t work, but it’s cute that you think we aren’t going to have sex. Silly girl” unapolgetically forward frame VS a “force her to chase me” frame. Plus it says that I consider the game fun, not work/frustration.

This txt isn’t going to make her go “omg come over and let me suck your dick”, but the end result is that I can txt her whenever I want after this without losing value if she doesn’t reply, she might reply with a simple “lol” which is a green light to me to keep going, or she might like that I wasn’t phased and send something like “that’s true” and I can go into something like “now if the sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?” and start qualifying her.

Actually I would probably send that after a few min regardless of whether she replies or not lol so it would look like:

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: But greater things come to those who work for it.
Me: It’s not work when it’s fun.
(5 min later)
Me: Now if sex with you feels like work, I’m out. You’re not a corpse in bed are you?

If she’s giving you shit like she did up above she probably wouldn’t actually qualify herself by saying like “no, I’m amazing” (tho that would tell me it’s on if she did that), but she’d probably agree & amplify with “yup I am” which I would agree & amplify with “that’s what it said on the wall in the men’s room.” etc. etc. either way now we’re talking about sex so it’s all heading toward my goal.

But hey, this is all just mental masturbation ain’t it lol It’s Friday night, go out and grab a # and try some actual txt game. :D


  • Zombie Shane
    on April 25, 2014 at 4:36 pm
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    > “These chicks are my bread & butter.”

    Well thank the Good Lord that you’re deflowering the “Smart Asses”.

    And not the nice girls from the good families.

    Although maybe I shouldn’t be giving you any ideas.


    • YaRealy
      on April 25, 2014 at 4:39 pm
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      “And not the nice girls from the good families.”

      M/W complex.


  • Bray
    on April 25, 2014 at 4:41 pm
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    I tried something similar like this last night. Don’t think it went down well.

    Her: saying how much she sucks at cooking, sports etc
    Me: Fuck. Haha. Next you’ll be telling me you are a starfish too.
    Her: Cool beans haha

    At this stage I figured she wasn’t too impressed and was trying to shit test me so I just played it off with

    Tell me something you are good at or enjoy then!

    No reply, it was late so she possibly called it. Or I fucked up my chance.
    Thoughts?


    • YaReally
      on April 26, 2014 at 11:06 am
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ATPan
on April 26, 2014 at 8:55 am
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Field Report:

Was at the club last night and approached a 6.5/10 Asian chick. She was with her friend and her friend’s boyfriend dancing alone. I was with my friends dancing next to their group and my friends were telling me to go for it. I’m not going to lie, it was my first approach of the day so I was slightly nervous. I move in for the dance and we start dancing with each other.

She tells me, “I can’t be a third wheel with my friend blah blah” the music was loud so it was hard to hear.

We danced some more, held hands, and talked a bit. Her friend and her friend’s boyfriend were doing some serious grinding.

I tell her, “Yo, we gotta match up with your friend over there.”
Her: “But they are boyfriend and girlfriend!”
Me: “Yeah? That’s okay lets have some fun.”

She bends over and starts grinding on me hard. I tap her friend.
“Whats up? What you guys got on that?”
Girls start laughing and we start doing a dancing competition.

A bit later another one of her friends came in the middle of us and cockblocked and said, “bye!” I said, “See you later!” My girl I was dancing with was still standing around my perimeter while I turned around while still dancing with my group of friends (mixed with guys and girls). I grabbed her by the hand again and we continued dancing with her friend and her boyfriend.

This girl was worthwhile and interested so I told myself fuck it why not. I’ll buy her a drink. So I tell her, “let me get you a drink. Don’t worry I’ll bring you back to your friends.” We go grab a drink, talk, come back do some more heavy grinding and have a good time.

About 20 minutes later her friend and her boyfriend were about to leave (that was her ride) and she tells me she has to go. She wanted my number.

Me: Where you guys heading to?
Her: I have to head back XXX they’re going home now.
Me: I live in XXX too I’ll take you back.
She thinks a bit and says, “okay” and tells her friend. Her friend gives me the stink stare with the impression of you better get her home. I do a pinky promise with her.

So here I am with just me and this girl. I owed one of my friends a drink so I had to get him one. I told her “I owe my friend a drink.I gotta buy him one.” So I take her hand and grab my friend a drink and introduce them for a little blah blah.

After a short period of dancing I noticed her interest was slowly declining, She spots one of her other friends shes with and springs towards him. She looks back at me and I assumed that was her way of trying to get away. I didn’t bother to chase at this point and continued my night with some other girls, but nowhere near what I did with her.

So my question is WTF went wrong here? I assume I didn’t escalate quick enough where I had to be making out with her or some shit and also building a deeper connection with her.

Thoughts and comments are much appreciated.


  • YaReally
    on April 26, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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    That shit was rock solid till the end lol. You just made 2 common tactical errors:

    1) you went backwards in the sarge rather than forwards

    2) you had Attraction but not Comfort. Attraction is fun but it in general it doesn’t get you laid, COMFORT is what gets you laid. The Attraction stage and everything you do in it is basically for the purpose of getting to isolation where you can enter Comfort and start the actual seduction.

    “So here I am with just me and this girl. I owed one of my friends a drink so I had to get him one. I told her “I owe my friend a drink.I gotta buy him one.” So I take her hand and grab my friend a drink and introduce them for a little blah blah.

    After a short period of dancing I noticed her interest was slowly declining”

    You had full isolation with her and she was into you enough to ditch her friends. Your Attraction stage was done and you now had the window to enter Comfort. All you had to do from here is take her to a dark quieter corner somewhere away from everyone either of you know and build massive Comfort, then pull.

    Or to avoid risking interruptions by your or her friends, you could say “I’m hungry, let’s get food” and pull her out up the street to some quiet food place where you can get a booth in a corner and build Comfort while you eat and then pull her home.

    Or you could go “I’m hungry, let’s get food” and pull her out of the bar and just go for a long walk and build Comfort then to “you know what I have leftover pizza at my place lets just eat that” and lead her home and bang.

    Instead, what you did was you snapped her out of the seduction by continuing to try to DHV and build Attraction by social proofing yourself introducing her to your friends and trying to play a bit aloof and then you took her back onto the dance floor where it’s full of external stimulus to shake her out of the seduction vibe and go back into Attrsction instead of forward into Comfort.

    So in the end ya she’s Attracted and ya she was probably turned on etc but you didn’t know her soul and all her hopes and dreams and how her relationship with her father was, sharing your hopes and dreams, etc lol, the gay stuff that builds a solid Comfort connection with her.

    You essentially did the metaphorical equivalent of flipping super bright lights on right after a slow sad romantic movie and then put on an action movie moving the sarge backwards, instead of leaving the lights off and cuddling up and whispering in her and moving forward.

    Make sense? This happens all the fuckin time so don’t sweat it. If you see her again you can get her laughing then try for Comfort again and get the lay.

    Remember: Attraction doesn’t get you laid. COMFORT gets you laid. And you only need to do enough Attraction to get her isolated to where you can enter Comfort. More Attraction feels great and everyone enjoys it but it doesn’t get you to the bedroom (generally speaking, there are exceptions but they’re rare circumstances you don’t bank on if you want consistency).

    Any Qs just ask, a lot of guys run into this prob. It’s the cause of why guys hit the # plateau where they get intermediate in the game and start collecting 10 #s a night but all 10 #s flake because they got the number during Attraction, not Comfort. It’s frustrating until you figure out what’s missing lol



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wow ballsy article topic to tackle in the Manosphere enviro where people tend to be super anti anything-that-isn’t-straight-white-and-male lol

I totally don’t have a dog in this talk at all except to offer a PUA perspective on it. We’re notably way more tolerant of different people/types because we go out and we meet and socialize with SO many literal THOUSANDS of new different people each year, that we gain a very broad perspective on things (since we meet so many different viewpoints and meet good/bad people of all types and learn to get inside people’s head to figure out what makes them tick) compared to the basement dweller who approaches a couple girls a month in-between posting rants about how blacks and mexicans are ruining the world lol

So this is how you tend to see it when you go out enough:

Everyone’s got like a 0-10 scale for being attracted to different shit (genders, kinks, etc.). For this topic specifically there’s a 0-10 scale for being attracted to women and a 0-10 scale to men. Most guys are like a 10 attracted to girls and a 0 attracted to men. We know that girls tend to be more bisexual so girls are generally like a 10 attracted to men, but like a 1-7 attracted to women. Asexual people are like a 0 and a 0. Bisexual guys are like a 10 and a 10. Straight up gay dudes are a 0 attracted to women and a 10 for dudes.

But I’d say there are a good chunk of guys (more than most people would be comfortable with) who are like a 10 attracted to women but also like a 1-7 attracted to men where in certain circumstances, with all judgement and consequence removed, they would fool around with a dude to some extent. A guy who’s like a 1 on the scale might just think it’s cool to bang a chick in the same room as a buddy who’s banging another chick. A guy who’s like a 2 might think it’s cool to bang a chick his buddy just banged. A guy who’s like a 3 might think it’s cool to pass a chick back and forth. A guy who’s like a 4 might think it’s cool to simultaneously double-team a girl with his buddy. A guy who’s like a 5 might think it’s cool to run a train with a group of his buddies on one girl. A guy who’s like a 6 might let a chick cross his sword with another guy’s sword while she blows them both or like, fool around with a tranny or something where it’s like “but it LOOKS like a girl so it’s not totally gay!!” lol

Then it gets into the super-gay end of the spectrum, like a guy who’s a 6 might, if he was drunk and a girl was pressuring him to do it because she thought it was hot and like, no one would know and there’s no consequences etc., touch another dude’s dick. From 7 on up would be how open the guy is to doing other shit with a dude until you get up to a 9 or 10 where the guy would actively like to bang another dude as much as he likes to bang a girl which puts him into that 10 on both scales bisexual guy category I mentioned up above. Where you define what the label “gay” is (anything above a 0 on the scale, anything above a 5, etc.) comes down to personal opinions and social conditioning and shit really, that’s why you get guys doing super-gay shit but not admitting they’re gay lol or dudes who think if you watch porn where you can see a dick going into a chick getting railed that that’s gay etc.

Girls are the same way, except that most of them are pretty open to fooling around with other girls. Is that because they’re biologically wired for it or because people cheer on girls who makeout in the bar but would kick the shit out of guys who makeout in the bar (aka social conditioning/reward/punishment)? I have no idea lol probably a bit of both. I’ve met girls who are definitely a 0 on the scale of being into other chicks (I always test for this) but they’re rare and quite frankly a turn-off to me.

As far as choice goes, you really have to ask yourself: could I decide not to be attracted to whatever fetish I primarily google porn of? ‘Cause you couldn’t, it’s hard-wired to you. Maybe curvy chicks with big tits give you a boner and small petite athletic girls don’t…but the guy beside you gets a boner when he sees small petite athletic girls and thinks curvy chicks are gross fatties. This shit is just hard-wired. That dude who has some weird fetish like he’s turned on by kissing girls feet or spanking or being spanked or girls with hair vaginas or furries or something, he can’t control that shit…it’s just that for whatever reason his wiring in his brain registers “kissing a hairy-vagina’ed girls feet while being spanked in a squirrel costume makes me hard” lol

So everything to me is on those 0-10 scales where wearing a squirrel costume is a 0 for most people and a 5 for some who’d try it for fun, but a 10 for others.

I think if you don’t have at least a 1 on your scale for something, you can’t turn it into a 10…like needing a spark to start a big fire. Like squirrel costumes are a 0/10 for me, so there’s on way I’d be into it in any way, it’s fuckin strange to me and not a boner-giver at all. But a guy who’s a 1/10 on it, if he did it a bunch and had a bunch of good reference experiences with it, could probably stoke that spark up into a 5/10 flame or 10/10 raging fire down the road.

I actually feel bad for people who have weird fetishes/kinks where most other people wouldn’t be into it because they’ll probably be stuck getting off to porn of it and never get to actually live whatever it is out since their selection of people who are into wearing a squirrel costume in bed is pretty small lol To me this comes down to just luck of the draw the same way some people find Seinfeld funny and other people don’t like that kind of humor or the same way some people find a rainy day depressing while others are energized by it.

So I’m not saying every guy can be turned gay or anything, don’t worry everyone lol Most of us are a 0/10 on that scale and like personally I’m squicked out by the idea of even banging the same girl one of my buddies has banged years ago, let alone sword-fighting with a buddy in a gangbang.

But I think there are a lot of 1-5/10 dudes out there who just don’t talk about it or don’t admit it to themselves who, in the right circumstances, could end up stoking that up into a full 10/10 bisexual lifestyle. I would guess that those guys are pretty much the bread & butter of tranny/gay hookers lol

As far as gay relationships go: fuck if I’d wade into trying to help with that shit lol From what I’ve seen it’s all a shit-show rollercoaster of drama. Makes me appreciate my nice simple casual hetero fuckbuddy relationships.

(for the record I’m a 0/10 on gay shit lol I don’t see the appeal of dudes bodies to men or women at ALL, like I literally don’t understand how they could be a turn-on, an army chick with a ripped 6-pack hit on me once and just touching her rock-hard stomach was a turn-off to me bleh…but I’ve met dudes who are from 0-10 on that scale and hey different strokes for different folks, long as they’re happy and not hurtin’ anyone it’s all cool to me lol life is short, let your freak flag fly)


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YaReally
on April 23rd, 2014 at 12:06 am
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wow ballsy article topic to tackle in the Manosphere enviro where people tend to be super anti anything-that-isn’t-straight-white-and-male lol

I totally don’t have a dog in this talk at all except to offer a PUA perspective on it. We’re notably way more tolerant of different people/types because we go out and we meet and socialize with SO many literal THOUSANDS of new different people each year, that we gain a very broad perspective on things (since we meet so many different viewpoints and meet good/bad people of all types and learn to get inside people’s head to figure out what makes them tick) compared to the basement dweller who approaches a couple girls a month in-between posting rants about how blacks and mexicans are ruining the world lol

So this is how you tend to see it when you go out enough:

Everyone’s got like a 0-10 scale for being attracted to different shit (genders, kinks, etc.). For this topic specifically there’s a 0-10 scale for being attracted to women and a 0-10 scale to men. Most guys are like a 10 attracted to girls and a 0 attracted to men. We know that girls tend to be more bisexual so girls are generally like a 10 attracted to men, but like a 1-7 attracted to women. Asexual people are like a 0 and a 0. Bisexual guys are like a 10 and a 10. Straight up gay dudes are a 0 attracted to women and a 10 for dudes.

But I’d say there are a good chunk of guys (more than most people would be comfortable with) who are like a 10 attracted to women but also like a 1-7 attracted to men where in certain circumstances, with all judgement and consequence removed, they would fool around with a dude to some extent. A guy who’s like a 1 on the scale might just think it’s cool to bang a chick in the same room as a buddy who’s banging another chick. A guy who’s like a 2 might think it’s cool to bang a chick his buddy just banged. A guy who’s like a 3 might think it’s cool to pass a chick back and forth. A guy who’s like a 4 might think it’s cool to simultaneously double-team a girl with his buddy. A guy who’s like a 5 might think it’s cool to run a train with a group of his buddies on one girl. A guy who’s like a 6 might let a chick cross his sword with another guy’s sword while she blows them both or like, fool around with a tranny or something where it’s like “but it LOOKS like a girl so it’s not totally gay!!” lol

Then it gets into the super-gay end of the spectrum, like a guy who’s a 6 might, if he was drunk and a girl was pressuring him to do it because she thought it was hot and like, no one would know and there’s no consequences etc., touch another dude’s dick. From 7 on up would be how open the guy is to doing other shit with a dude until you get up to a 9 or 10 where the guy would actively like to bang another dude as much as he likes to bang a girl which puts him into that 10 on both scales bisexual guy category I mentioned up above. Where you define what the label “gay” is (anything above a 0 on the scale, anything above a 5, etc.) comes down to personal opinions and social conditioning and shit really, that’s why you get guys doing super-gay shit but not admitting they’re gay lol or dudes who think if you watch porn where you can see a dick going into a chick getting railed that that’s gay etc.

Girls are the same way, except that most of them are pretty open to fooling around with other girls. Is that because they’re biologically wired for it or because people cheer on girls who makeout in the bar but would kick the shit out of guys who makeout in the bar (aka social conditioning/reward/punishment)? I have no idea lol probably a bit of both. I’ve met girls who are definitely a 0 on the scale of being into other chicks (I always test for this) but they’re rare and quite frankly a turn-off to me.

As far as choice goes, you really have to ask yourself: could I decide not to be attracted to whatever fetish I primarily google porn of? ‘Cause you couldn’t, it’s hard-wired to you. Maybe curvy chicks with big tits give you a boner and small petite athletic girls don’t…but the guy beside you gets a boner when he sees small petite athletic girls and thinks curvy chicks are gross fatties. This shit is just hard-wired. That dude who has some weird fetish like he’s turned on by kissing girls feet or spanking or being spanked or girls with hair vaginas or furries or something, he can’t control that shit…it’s just that for whatever reason his wiring in his brain registers “kissing a hairy-vagina’ed girls feet while being spanked in a squirrel costume makes me hard” lol

So everything to me is on those 0-10 scales where wearing a squirrel costume is a 0 for most people and a 5 for some who’d try it for fun, but a 10 for others.

I think if you don’t have at least a 1 on your scale for something, you can’t turn it into a 10…like needing a spark to start a big fire. Like squirrel costumes are a 0/10 for me, so there’s on way I’d be into it in any way, it’s fuckin strange to me and not a boner-giver at all. But a guy who’s a 1/10 on it, if he did it a bunch and had a bunch of good reference experiences with it, could probably stoke that spark up into a 5/10 flame or 10/10 raging fire down the road.

I actually feel bad for people who have weird fetishes/kinks where most other people wouldn’t be into it because they’ll probably be stuck getting off to porn of it and never get to actually live whatever it is out since their selection of people who are into wearing a squirrel costume in bed is pretty small lol To me this comes down to just luck of the draw the same way some people find Seinfeld funny and other people don’t like that kind of humor or the same way some people find a rainy day depressing while others are energized by it.

So I’m not saying every guy can be turned gay or anything, don’t worry everyone lol Most of us are a 0/10 on that scale and like personally I’m squicked out by the idea of even banging the same girl one of my buddies has banged years ago, let alone sword-fighting with a buddy in a gangbang.

But I think there are a lot of 1-5/10 dudes out there who just don’t talk about it or don’t admit it to themselves who, in the right circumstances, could end up stoking that up into a full 10/10 bisexual lifestyle. I would guess that those guys are pretty much the bread & butter of tranny/gay hookers lol

As far as gay relationships go: fuck if I’d wade into trying to help with that shit lol From what I’ve seen it’s all a shit-show rollercoaster of drama. Makes me appreciate my nice simple casual hetero fuckbuddy relationships.

(for the record I’m a 0/10 on gay shit lol I don’t see the appeal of dudes bodies to men or women at ALL, like I literally don’t understand how they could be a turn-on, an army chick with a ripped 6-pack hit on me once and just touching her rock-hard stomach was a turn-off to me bleh…but I’ve met dudes who are from 0-10 on that scale and hey different strokes for different folks, long as they’re happy and not hurtin’ anyone it’s all cool to me lol life is short, let your freak flag fly)


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YaReally
on April 22, 2014 at 11:28 pm
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“The books have their place, but don’t let them substitute for actual experience applying the lessons contained therein.”

A general guideline I like is 2-3 hours in the field for every hour of study. A lot of guys spend their first year or two “in the game” just reading shit online and don’t even go out and approach. That’s insane to me and it stems from a fear of failure (“if I learn everything first then when I go out I won’t have to get rejected because I’ll do the perfect approach on my first try!”). Part of why I got good is that I literally found the community on like a Monday and I was out that very Friday excited to try it out even if I bombed.

I’d like to read the book just to see if I should recommend it as a resource for newbies looking for Daygame advice. Like I’ve said, the only reason I link so many RSD videos is that they have a million videos on a million topics up with rock-solid content in them…I don’t really care who’s teaching the content if it’s quality. I’ve been gaming long enough that I don’t imagine there’s anything in this book that would actually be new to me but I’m all about linking resources to people who would be helped by them.

For anyone who has the book I have two main questions:

1) does it cover indirect opening/game, or is it all “hey, you’re adorable I had to stop you and say hi” direct? I’m not saying either method is better than the other, just curious what’s covered in terms of a full education ’cause I think guys should be able to run both styles and calibrate which one to use based on the situation (sometimes direct will trigger obstacles that indirect wouldn’t have).

2) are there Field/Lay Reports that go into more technical depth than on his blog? I skimmed some Krauser LRs and they seem very flowery “I open. My vibe is good, there’s eye sparkle. After five minutes I take a number.” stuff that makes a fun/inspiring story but isn’t very useful for newbies hitting the field needing some guidance on “I don’t get it!! wtf is eye sparkle?? How did you get her to eye sparkle?? You had a good vibe?? wtf does that mean?? I think I had eye sparkle but I didn’t know how to get the number wtf did you say to get the number??” I like that there are in-depth text conversations since that’s a necessary skill these days, but does he go that deep with the rest of the interaction?

Props to anyone who drops the dough and puts up a review…if it’s a solid resource then I hope it sells thru the roof and a bunch of dudes give Daygame a go. Competing in chaotic bar environments is good training, but Daygame has infinitely less bullshit to deal with in terms of getting actual results lol

I’ll most likely check it out when there’s a cheaper digital version down the road, I’m not feelin’ $100 and a hardcover physical copy laying around my apartment.

On that note, a girl I was banging had a copy of The Game on her bookshelf which I found all sorts of entertaining. I considered telling her I was a PUA but didn’t want to ruin the magic because my game is pretty natural these days so I don’t think she could tell. It was super trippy when I recognized it tho lol


  • YaReally
    on April 23, 2014 at 3:06 pm
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    Thanks for the feedback, all. I’ll definitely check it out down the road if it ever ends up in a digital format. I love Mystery Method, it’s all rock-solid psychology, but I’m all for an updated resource that looks at modern obstacles like txting and shit. Best of luck to Krauser!



Preview Of Krauser’s Daygame Mastery

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YaReally
on April 22, 2014 at 11:28 pm
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“The books have their place, but don’t let them substitute for actual experience applying the lessons contained therein.”

A general guideline I like is 2-3 hours in the field for every hour of study. A lot of guys spend their first year or two “in the game” just reading shit online and don’t even go out and approach. That’s insane to me and it stems from a fear of failure (“if I learn everything first then when I go out I won’t have to get rejected because I’ll do the perfect approach on my first try!”). Part of why I got good is that I literally found the community on like a Monday and I was out that very Friday excited to try it out even if I bombed.

I’d like to read the book just to see if I should recommend it as a resource for newbies looking for Daygame advice. Like I’ve said, the only reason I link so many RSD videos is that they have a million videos on a million topics up with rock-solid content in them…I don’t really care who’s teaching the content if it’s quality. I’ve been gaming long enough that I don’t imagine there’s anything in this book that would actually be new to me but I’m all about linking resources to people who would be helped by them.

For anyone who has the book I have two main questions:

1) does it cover indirect opening/game, or is it all “hey, you’re adorable I had to stop you and say hi” direct? I’m not saying either method is better than the other, just curious what’s covered in terms of a full education ’cause I think guys should be able to run both styles and calibrate which one to use based on the situation (sometimes direct will trigger obstacles that indirect wouldn’t have).

2) are there Field/Lay Reports that go into more technical depth than on his blog? I skimmed some Krauser LRs and they seem very flowery “I open. My vibe is good, there’s eye sparkle. After five minutes I take a number.” stuff that makes a fun/inspiring story but isn’t very useful for newbies hitting the field needing some guidance on “I don’t get it!! wtf is eye sparkle?? How did you get her to eye sparkle?? You had a good vibe?? wtf does that mean?? I think I had eye sparkle but I didn’t know how to get the number wtf did you say to get the number??” I like that there are in-depth text conversations since that’s a necessary skill these days, but does he go that deep with the rest of the interaction?

Props to anyone who drops the dough and puts up a review…if it’s a solid resource then I hope it sells thru the roof and a bunch of dudes give Daygame a go. Competing in chaotic bar environments is good training, but Daygame has infinitely less bullshit to deal with in terms of getting actual results lol

I’ll most likely check it out when there’s a cheaper digital version down the road, I’m not feelin’ $100 and a hardcover physical copy laying around my apartment.

On that note, a girl I was banging had a copy of The Game on her bookshelf which I found all sorts of entertaining. I considered telling her I was a PUA but didn’t want to ruin the magic because my game is pretty natural these days so I don’t think she could tell. It was super trippy when I recognized it tho lol


  • YaReally
    on April 23, 2014 at 3:06 pm
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    Thanks for the feedback, all. I’ll definitely check it out down the road if it ever ends up in a digital format. I love Mystery Method, it’s all rock-solid psychology, but I’m all for an updated resource that looks at modern obstacles like txting and shit. Best of luck to Krauser!



Homeless Helper Game

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Scray
on April 22, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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This is a good post. If only because it shows that some classic ‘positive’ traits can be high value.

side note; so things are going good with these so-called hot, wild chicks. but my strategy of just kinda sticking straight to the classic 16 and remaining ‘mysterious’ (no straight answers about my past, detached unimpressed ‘wow’s when they mention stuff from theirs) is leading to strange results. Confession of love (hey it happens, and I have yet to say it back)….I’m holding off on any commitment by just saying that relationships are a lot of work.

So annnyway, you have this and then she wants to start veering into these weird conversations….like ‘you don’t think I’m a slut, do you?’ my response just a raised eyebrow (like wtf is this conversation)….’because i think you’re kind of slutty.’ silence, me nodding as if to say ‘cool story.’

So it’s this double press of her trying to smoke out if I’m banging other girls, while her offering that she’s faithful to me and simultaneously for some reason NOW needing me to not think she’s a slut. I mean, I don’t care about her past, but I’m not a liar lol….and I just assume that whatever she’s volunteered trying to impress me is like the tip of the iceberg.

What’s happening CH?
Why would a hot chick try to shit test you/impress you with her adventurous sexual history, then when you remain unphased in the face of everything, suddenly want to come across as chaste (or be perceived as chaste)….


  • CH
    on April 22, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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    1. a girl who thinks you’re a player with experience, and who is attracted to you, will try to impress with tales of her adventurous tail, under the assumption that that’s what you want from her. girls who do this aren’t playing a long game, suffice to say.

    2. if she really likes you, and enough time has passed, she’ll cop a chaste pose to lock you into promises of commitment. she subconsciously knows that men value chasteness in a relationship.

    3. beyond the above two explanations, she could just be a crazy drama whore.


    • Scray
      on April 22, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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      It hasn’t even been two months. For fuck’s sake. Lol chicks, logic not even once. I could understand her trying to do this if she hadn’t already volunteered the earlier information, but this is like watching someone trying to unring a bell. *takes notes*

      I’ve seen her twice a week for the last month tho….that’s probably the problem.

      you ever taken this bait?


      • Amy
        on April 22, 2014 at 1:24 pm
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        “I’ve seen her twice a week for the last month tho….that’s probably the problem.”

        That’s a good guess.


        • YaReally
          on April 22, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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          Gee it’s almost like that those rules that YaReally guy keeps repeating about not seeing a girl more than once every week or two or she’ll fall in love are legit rules based on field experience. WHO KNEW lol

          @Scray
          You created this situation. She’s in love with you now and wants you to see her as commitment material. Soon she’s going to give you the Ultimatum and tell you she can’t hook up with you anymore if you don’t want to be her boyfriend because it hurts too much.

          Then you will either not bend and lose her, lie because of scarcity and lead her on to keep getting the validation of her sex, or treat her like shit and start doing long-term emotional damage to her which is funny at first but will fuck her up for future relationships.

          Next time follow the rules.


          • YaReally
            on April 22, 2014 at 3:10 pm
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            @Amy
            No shit, that’s the same thing I’ve said a thousand times. Here’s me quoting myself from various posts I’ve made because apparently the stuff about blondes not being too bright is true:

            “Basically every casual relationship hits the “Ultimatum Point” down the road, where she withholds sex for commitment because she’s gotten attached to you…usually this is the end of the relationship if you won’t commit. Sometimes this happens in a few weeks, sometimes it’s in a few months, but it’s there. You can delay it by not seeing her once a week, disqualifying yourself as a Provider, etc. which is what I do…but you did the opposite and sped it up lol”

            “Eventually she catches feelings and delivers The Ultimatum (“I can’t do this anymore if we aren’t going to be in a real relationship, it hurts too much because I like you :(“) and you either lose her or date her as an LTR. You can stall The Ultimatum by following rules like not seeing her more than once every week or two, not doing relationshippy shit, etc.”

            Here’s a nice big long one for ya:

            “And the main thing I’ve found with casual fuckbuddy relationships is that it’s basically like a roll of toilet paper lol At the end of that roll is “the Ultimatum” where she’s attached to you and the pain of not being in an actual boyfriend/girlfriend relationship with you outweighs the pleasure of you two hooking up and she has to force you into the “Either we’re BF/GF or I can’t see you anymore” Ultimatum.

            Now the stuff I list up above takes, say, one square of toilet paper at a time off the roll. But when you, say, invite her over and make her dinner and watch a movie together, even if it’s followed by epic sex, you’ve just yanked that roll of toilet paper and like 5 or 6 sheets came off. If you pull back to just sex stuff, that’s cool, you’re back to just one paper at a time, but the damage has been done in terms of the length of the roll. If you yank a handful of sheets at a time too frequently, the stuff up above starts being 2 or 3 sheets at a time instead of just one because you’ve fucked with the casual dynamic too much.

            There are anomalies of course, like some girls are extra large rolls of paper. And you can reset the roll in certain circumstances. And some things you do will yank more paper off than others, but basically the thing to keep in mind is that you can’t go backward and put paper back ON the roll, so understand that every action you take is bringing you closer to the end of the roll and The Ultimatum.”

            Here’s some more research you can do:

            http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=%22her+more+than+once%22

            Weird, it’s almost like you don’t actually pay attention to things before you argue them. But please, do tell us more about how women work. We’re all in the dark here about your mysterious gender and desperately need your perspective along with pics of your tits to jack off to.


          • YaReally
            on April 22, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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            “Doing long-term emotional damage … which is funny at first. Seriously?”

            Funny in the sense of new guys enjoying the initial power-trip of having a girl legitimately freaking out chasing them because it’s something they’ve never experienced before and they get a high off it. But that wears off when it becomes serious and they realize they’re doing long-term damage that they didn’t mean to do.


          • YaReally
            on April 22, 2014 at 8:20 pm
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            @Amy
            “You leave them when they’re at least partially attached to you. Breaking attachments hurts”

            Your problem is that, like most women, you think “feeling bad” is something women should be excused from in life. You are literally saying the equivalent of “well schools shouldn’t keep score when they play sports in gym class because some of the kids will lose and feel bad and sure they’ll get over it but CLEARLY it does long-term damage and hardens them to the world”

            But keep swingin’! I’m sure someone’ll high-five you for standing up to the big mean bully YaReally who’s being a jerk pointing out your retarded logic.

            @thrust
            “How’s the more masculine/instinct/low-energy game working out for you”

            Big fan of it. I’m not as low energy as the Drive guy (which is a great movie for body-language and eye-contact and pregnant pauses and shit) because I like to spit a lot of verbals, but I’ve toned things down a lot compared to a few years ago and I drop a lot closer to Drive when I’m in actual isolation and looking to escalate things sexually.

            So I’m using it more in addition to my normal game rather than completely replacing my normal game, because when I’m cold-approaching I come in with energy and then just ramp things downward once I’m in set…I’ve found that the Drive stuff won’t get me shit in a bar where there are a lot of distractions for the girls because then I’m just a quiet guy standing around (if you’re super good looking you could get away with that and get some girls approaching you), so I bring it out once I’m in set and past the hook point.

            But it’s great in situations where the girl is forced to interact with you, like partying with a social circle where a mixed group of you are going out, or waitresses who have to come to your table, and especially strippers who tend to sit down with you and basically put themselves in isolation at your table for a few minutes before they pitch you a dance. It’s also great with fuckbuddies, but anything goes with them lol

            Either way tho, the effect is ridiculous. I can’t even think of what I used to look at instead of lasering the girls in the eye lol Like how the fuck did I even pickup??

            @OralCummings
            Depends on the girl. I’ve found there are very girl girls who legitimately won’t get attached, they usually have specific personality types and are in specific life situations where they very aggressively are not looking or open to anything serious. A lot of young chicks will say they don’t want anything serious but are just saying that because they think you want to hear it and they get attached just like the others.

            @Scray
            “I just assumed that because they’re ‘wild’ girls they’d be different somehow. Wrong.”

            Nope lol Madonna/whore complex. They’re all the same, the good and the bad.

            “at first it’s kind of cool. I think I’m pretty much at the point where I don’t want to make a mess.”

            That’s how it works lol You can be warned about the damage you can cause, but once you see it first-hand and fuck up a girl that you legitimately cared about, you go “oh wow, Spider-Man was right, with great power comes great responsibility” and learn your lesson and try to do good from there.

            “You never got disillusioned, tho?”

            At what, specifically?

            “What are these situations where a girl is fucking a guy but supposedly never gets attached?”

            It involves a lot of factors, including her own particular personality. But a lot of common factors boil down to the girl fully convincing herself that it would not be a good idea for her to fall for you (or any dude in general), like to where SHE’S the one not wanting to see you more than every couple weeks and not wanting to txt you every day and not wanting to have gay movie night dates where you don’t bang etc. So usually they’ll be girls who work a shitload or are in good/benefitial relationships already, or a combo of the two. They’re not necessarily high testosterone women, they’re just women who have cut off that “I’m open to getting attached” part of their brain and stick to that.

            Most girls are open to being attracted to new guys, even girls in relationshpis and shit…their boyfriend is a Nice Guy and good provider but if the right guy came along they’d swing to that branch. But some girls have decided “this part of my life is perfect as-is and I don’t want to fuck it up so I’m not going to do things that will run the risk of me falling for this guy, so I’m going to view this as just fun on the side and nothing else”.

            I’d say this is like, 10% of girls. Probably 60% these days say they don’t want a relationship but fall in love and Ultimatum you anyway, 20% admit they’d like a relationship and will try to convince you to enter one with them as they get attached, and the last 10% adamantly won’t put out unless you agree to a relationship.


    • YaReally
      on April 23, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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      @Amy
      “You know you’re full of shit, that’s why you’re so shrill and nasty to me.”

      I’m shrill and nasty to you because you say stupid things and then go off on damsel in distress tangents like this instead of using actual logic to rebuff any of my points, hoping that because your pic has a chick in it you can rally people here up against big bad YaReally so he stops pointing out that your logic is wrong and that you don’t know anything about the topics you argue about.

      I’m just as “shrill and nasty” to guys who post retarded shit. And if you posted stuff that was on point I would acknowledge it like I do anyone else.

      “The female equivalent of a YaReally is dinner/favor/attention whore who friendzones admirers for her own purposes.”

      Not an equivalent argument. Sex is a scarce resource for men, so the chick is dangling a very rare carrot in front of him to suck his resources out of him. Sex is abundant for hot women and I don’t offer any kind of commitment so I’m not dangling anything rare in front of them.

      In your example, the girl is dangling a million dollar bill in front of a homeless man. In my example I’m dangling a $100 in front of a millionaire.

      Oh no, look, I’m being mean and nasty again!! Say it in a little girl voice and shed a crocodile tear to REALLY make me seem like a big poopy-head. That’s much better than actually making a valid point.

      “You’d tell me I was a bitch, and you’d be right.”

      I think most guys here would say those guys were idiots. But again, it’s not an equivalent analogy. I don’t expect you to understand that though, please throw out some more shaming bullshit.



Homeless Helper Game

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Scray
on April 22, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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This is a good post. If only because it shows that some classic ‘positive’ traits can be high value.

side note; so things are going good with these so-called hot, wild chicks. but my strategy of just kinda sticking straight to the classic 16 and remaining ‘mysterious’ (no straight answers about my past, detached unimpressed ‘wow’s when they mention stuff from theirs) is leading to strange results. Confession of love (hey it happens, and I have yet to say it back)….I’m holding off on any commitment by just saying that relationships are a lot of work.

So annnyway, you have this and then she wants to start veering into these weird conversations….like ‘you don’t think I’m a slut, do you?’ my response just a raised eyebrow (like wtf is this conversation)….’because i think you’re kind of slutty.’ silence, me nodding as if to say ‘cool story.’

So it’s this double press of her trying to smoke out if I’m banging other girls, while her offering that she’s faithful to me and simultaneously for some reason NOW needing me to not think she’s a slut. I mean, I don’t care about her past, but I’m not a liar lol….and I just assume that whatever she’s volunteered trying to impress me is like the tip of the iceberg.

What’s happening CH?
Why would a hot chick try to shit test you/impress you with her adventurous sexual history, then when you remain unphased in the face of everything, suddenly want to come across as chaste (or be perceived as chaste)….


  • CH
    on April 22, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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    1. a girl who thinks you’re a player with experience, and who is attracted to you, will try to impress with tales of her adventurous tail, under the assumption that that’s what you want from her. girls who do this aren’t playing a long game, suffice to say.

    2. if she really likes you, and enough time has passed, she’ll cop a chaste pose to lock you into promises of commitment. she subconsciously knows that men value chasteness in a relationship.

    3. beyond the above two explanations, she could just be a crazy drama whore.


    • YaReally
      on April 22, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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      Gee it’s almost like that those rules that YaReally guy keeps repeating about not seeing a girl more than once every week or two or she’ll fall in love are legit rules based on field experience. WHO KNEW lol

      @Scray
      You created this situation. She’s in love with you now and wants you to see her as commitment material. Soon she’s going to give you the Ultimatum and tell you she can’t hook up with you anymore if you don’t want to be her boyfriend because it hurts too much.

      Then you will either not bend and lose her, lie because of scarcity and lead her on to keep getting the validation of her sex, or treat her like shit and start doing long-term emotional damage to her which is funny at first but will fuck her up for future relationships.

      Next time follow the rules.


    • YaReally
      on April 22, 2014 at 3:10 pm
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      @Amy
      No shit, that’s the same thing I’ve said a thousand times. Here’s me quoting myself from various posts I’ve made because apparently the stuff about blondes not being too bright is true:

      “Basically every casual relationship hits the “Ultimatum Point” down the road, where she withholds sex for commitment because she’s gotten attached to you…usually this is the end of the relationship if you won’t commit. Sometimes this happens in a few weeks, sometimes it’s in a few months, but it’s there. You can delay it by not seeing her once a week, disqualifying yourself as a Provider, etc. which is what I do…but you did the opposite and sped it up lol”

      “Eventually she catches feelings and delivers The Ultimatum (“I can’t do this anymore if we aren’t going to be in a real relationship, it hurts too much because I like you :(“) and you either lose her or date her as an LTR. You can stall The Ultimatum by following rules like not seeing her more than once every week or two, not doing relationshippy shit, etc.”

      Here’s a nice big long one for ya:

      “And the main thing I’ve found with casual fuckbuddy relationships is that it’s basically like a roll of toilet paper lol At the end of that roll is “the Ultimatum” where she’s attached to you and the pain of not being in an actual boyfriend/girlfriend relationship with you outweighs the pleasure of you two hooking up and she has to force you into the “Either we’re BF/GF or I can’t see you anymore” Ultimatum.

      Now the stuff I list up above takes, say, one square of toilet paper at a time off the roll. But when you, say, invite her over and make her dinner and watch a movie together, even if it’s followed by epic sex, you’ve just yanked that roll of toilet paper and like 5 or 6 sheets came off. If you pull back to just sex stuff, that’s cool, you’re back to just one paper at a time, but the damage has been done in terms of the length of the roll. If you yank a handful of sheets at a time too frequently, the stuff up above starts being 2 or 3 sheets at a time instead of just one because you’ve fucked with the casual dynamic too much.

      There are anomalies of course, like some girls are extra large rolls of paper. And you can reset the roll in certain circumstances. And some things you do will yank more paper off than others, but basically the thing to keep in mind is that you can’t go backward and put paper back ON the roll, so understand that every action you take is bringing you closer to the end of the roll and The Ultimatum.”

      Here’s some more research you can do:

      http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=%22her+more+than+once%22

      Weird, it’s almost like you don’t actually pay attention to things before you argue them. But please, do tell us more about how women work. We’re all in the dark here about your mysterious gender and desperately need your perspective along with pics of your tits to jack off to.


    • YaReally
      on April 22, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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      “Doing long-term emotional damage … which is funny at first. Seriously?”

      Funny in the sense of new guys enjoying the initial power-trip of having a girl legitimately freaking out chasing them because it’s something they’ve never experienced before and they get a high off it. But that wears off when it becomes serious and they realize they’re doing long-term damage that they didn’t mean to do.


    • YaReally
      on April 22, 2014 at 8:20 pm
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      @Amy
      “You leave them when they’re at least partially attached to you. Breaking attachments hurts”

      Your problem is that, like most women, you think “feeling bad” is something women should be excused from in life. You are literally saying the equivalent of “well schools shouldn’t keep score when they play sports in gym class because some of the kids will lose and feel bad and sure they’ll get over it but CLEARLY it does long-term damage and hardens them to the world”

      But keep swingin’! I’m sure someone’ll high-five you for standing up to the big mean bully YaReally who’s being a jerk pointing out your retarded logic.

      @thrust
      “How’s the more masculine/instinct/low-energy game working out for you”

      Big fan of it. I’m not as low energy as the Drive guy (which is a great movie for body-language and eye-contact and pregnant pauses and shit) because I like to spit a lot of verbals, but I’ve toned things down a lot compared to a few years ago and I drop a lot closer to Drive when I’m in actual isolation and looking to escalate things sexually.

      So I’m using it more in addition to my normal game rather than completely replacing my normal game, because when I’m cold-approaching I come in with energy and then just ramp things downward once I’m in set…I’ve found that the Drive stuff won’t get me shit in a bar where there are a lot of distractions for the girls because then I’m just a quiet guy standing around (if you’re super good looking you could get away with that and get some girls approaching you), so I bring it out once I’m in set and past the hook point.

      But it’s great in situations where the girl is forced to interact with you, like partying with a social circle where a mixed group of you are going out, or waitresses who have to come to your table, and especially strippers who tend to sit down with you and basically put themselves in isolation at your table for a few minutes before they pitch you a dance. It’s also great with fuckbuddies, but anything goes with them lol

      Either way tho, the effect is ridiculous. I can’t even think of what I used to look at instead of lasering the girls in the eye lol Like how the fuck did I even pickup??

      @OralCummings
      Depends on the girl. I’ve found there are very girl girls who legitimately won’t get attached, they usually have specific personality types and are in specific life situations where they very aggressively are not looking or open to anything serious. A lot of young chicks will say they don’t want anything serious but are just saying that because they think you want to hear it and they get attached just like the others.

      @Scray
      “I just assumed that because they’re ‘wild’ girls they’d be different somehow. Wrong.”

      Nope lol Madonna/whore complex. They’re all the same, the good and the bad.

      “at first it’s kind of cool. I think I’m pretty much at the point where I don’t want to make a mess.”

      That’s how it works lol You can be warned about the damage you can cause, but once you see it first-hand and fuck up a girl that you legitimately cared about, you go “oh wow, Spider-Man was right, with great power comes great responsibility” and learn your lesson and try to do good from there.

      “You never got disillusioned, tho?”

      At what, specifically?

      “What are these situations where a girl is fucking a guy but supposedly never gets attached?”

      It involves a lot of factors, including her own particular personality. But a lot of common factors boil down to the girl fully convincing herself that it would not be a good idea for her to fall for you (or any dude in general), like to where SHE’S the one not wanting to see you more than every couple weeks and not wanting to txt you every day and not wanting to have gay movie night dates where you don’t bang etc. So usually they’ll be girls who work a shitload or are in good/benefitial relationships already, or a combo of the two. They’re not necessarily high testosterone women, they’re just women who have cut off that “I’m open to getting attached” part of their brain and stick to that.

      Most girls are open to being attracted to new guys, even girls in relationshpis and shit…their boyfriend is a Nice Guy and good provider but if the right guy came along they’d swing to that branch. But some girls have decided “this part of my life is perfect as-is and I don’t want to fuck it up so I’m not going to do things that will run the risk of me falling for this guy, so I’m going to view this as just fun on the side and nothing else”.

      I’d say this is like, 10% of girls. Probably 60% these days say they don’t want a relationship but fall in love and Ultimatum you anyway, 20% admit they’d like a relationship and will try to convince you to enter one with them as they get attached, and the last 10% adamantly won’t put out unless you agree to a relationship.


    • YaReally
      on April 23, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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      @Amy
      “You know you’re full of shit, that’s why you’re so shrill and nasty to me.”

      I’m shrill and nasty to you because you say stupid things and then go off on damsel in distress tangents like this instead of using actual logic to rebuff any of my points, hoping that because your pic has a chick in it you can rally people here up against big bad YaReally so he stops pointing out that your logic is wrong and that you don’t know anything about the topics you argue about.

      I’m just as “shrill and nasty” to guys who post retarded shit. And if you posted stuff that was on point I would acknowledge it like I do anyone else.

      “The female equivalent of a YaReally is dinner/favor/attention whore who friendzones admirers for her own purposes.”

      Not an equivalent argument. Sex is a scarce resource for men, so the chick is dangling a very rare carrot in front of him to suck his resources out of him. Sex is abundant for hot women and I don’t offer any kind of commitment so I’m not dangling anything rare in front of them.

      In your example, the girl is dangling a million dollar bill in front of a homeless man. In my example I’m dangling a $100 in front of a millionaire.

      Oh no, look, I’m being mean and nasty again!! Say it in a little girl voice and shed a crocodile tear to REALLY make me seem like a big poopy-head. That’s much better than actually making a valid point.

      “You’d tell me I was a bitch, and you’d be right.”

      I think most guys here would say those guys were idiots. But again, it’s not an equivalent analogy. I don’t expect you to understand that though, please throw out some more shaming bullshit.



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Suggester
on April 22, 2014 at 12:25 pm
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A suggestion for CH: You may get better quality comments (and a higher number of comment section readers) if you disable the nesting feature.


  • Edward Waverley
    on April 22, 2014 at 1:15 pm
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    CH used to not have the nesting, and the comments are not nearly as meaningful or digestible in that format.


    • Suggester
      on April 22, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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      He should run that experiment again.

      The comment sections at Sailer’s and Mangan’s are far better.

      As Laidnyc observed, it’s Beyond Thunderdome in here.


      • CH
        on April 22, 2014 at 9:57 pm
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        there’s about a 50-50 split between pro-nesters and anti-nesters. what’s a tyrant to do?


        • YaReally
          on April 23, 2014 at 7:36 am
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          Nest, because it’s easier to skip like 90% of the retarded non-game related arguments. God forbid if I had to actually read through 99 comments about black people or religion to find the one game related one to reply to lol



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  • Edward Waverley
    on April 22, 2014 at 1:15 pm
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    CH used to not have the nesting, and the comments are not nearly as meaningful or digestible in that format.


    • YaReally
      on April 23, 2014 at 7:36 am
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      Nest, because it’s easier to skip like 90% of the retarded non-game related arguments. God forbid if I had to actually read through 99 comments about black people or religion to find the one game related one to reply to lol



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on April 16, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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I gotta say, man, this post really proves my point about supply and demand and the problem with fatties (too many of them). That this much work and strategizing is needed to simply make a date with a thin woman happen. And that is really what it all boils down to.

I concede that CH level game is needed today, but it shouldn’t be the case. It simply should not be *that* difficult for a decent dude to get a date with (and eventually marry and be respected by and have kids with) a pretty, thin woman. We greater betas are only asking for HB7s. Not asking for 10s.

Fuck man.

In other words, it is indeed a supply and demand issue and the competition among men is FIERCE because there are not enough thin women to go around.

This is why, Scray, CH’s posts about shaming fatties do matter. It’s not fair to all of us, as a society, when 80% of women are unbangable fatties. And they are. Just look around. Even if you go to clubs where 90% in that club that night are hotties…okay, thank of that though. even in that situation even on the best night there will be sausage-fest like conditions (more men than hot women) in that club. Now extrapolate that to society at large. Say you go to a popular crowed club and there are 50 hotties in there that night. Well, there are 6 million fatties (the rest of the women) in the rest of the city that particular night.

There are 4 million eligible decent men, say, in a big city, but only about 15,000 women who are not unbangable hogs. I’m making up those numbers but I really think it’s something like that. 15,000 hotties in the right age range in a city with 4 million decent men and 4 million fattie women is bad. Not enough good women to go around.

Hence it requires massive game to land a thin, pretty woman.

Even the PUAs admit it. Those with great attitudes like you and Ya don’t complain about it, but you admit it, talking about how seeing it from the HB8′s perspective…they wake up with 50 new texts every morning, etc.

That is true and also supports my point.

If there were an equal number of thin, pretty women and guys who want thin, pretty woman, each woman’s buying price would go way down.

This is how it was in the 1920s. All women were thin, so every decent man with a job got an acre, a mule, and a thin pretty wife when she was 19 to 21 who was loyal and respectful to him and gave her husband her best 20 years instead of giving them to 55 Yas.

http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/story-for-women-on-matchcom/2013/3/16/a-parable-for-the-older-single-women-of-matchcom-told-by-pro.html


  • YaReally
    on April 16, 2014 at 4:57 pm
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    tl;dr version: waaaaah wahhhhh the world isn’t the way I wish it was waaaaaahhhh!!!

    CH has written a bunch of fat-shaming articles, but I’m still seeing girls stuffed into too-small outfits with their muffin-tops hanging out at the bar.

    You can piss & moan or you can deal with reality. It’s that simple.

    The other part you’re missing is that this really isn’t “work” once you get good at it and internalize it and find the fun in the whole silly game. Hell if anything when you have 3 or 4 girls on the go and some chick flakes on you you’re RELIEVED because it means you get a night of peace & quiet or time to see one of the girls you’ve neglected or to get some work done lol


    • Zombie Shane
      on April 16, 2014 at 7:09 pm
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      > “you get a night of peace & quiet or time to see one of the girls you’ve neglected or to get some work done lol”

      When the fuck do you sleep?

      Are you on amphetamines to stay awake?


      • YaReally
        on April 17, 2014 at 9:43 am
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        I’m just very good at scheduling. I blame pickup. I know you’re joking but for anyone curious about how I manage my time right now:

        When I started pickup and was going out like 3-5 nights a week regularly, I had a 9-5 job I didn’t give a shit about so I would nap an hour at lunch, nap 3 hours after work, shower up and go sarge, then come home around 2am and pass out to get up for work again (so I end up with my 8 hours of sleep), which got me used to getting by on random naps. On days where I have nothing to do I basically catch up on sleep if I need to. I did this for like 5 years straight.

        Now I work my own hours and I keep my workload light enough to just pay my rent/groceries/etc. so I have a lot of free time when I want it. That’s why I can post a bunch of long rants here and txt girls all day, I’m just taking an hour out of my 6-10 hour work-day to write a bunch of shit and then I go back to work. I can spread my work through the day if I want to have a fuckbuddy over, or take breaks to post, or go out to sarge, or sleep in if I was out late, but I don’t mind if my work stretches all day since I like what I do, so a day for me might look like I work 4 hours, have a girl over to bang, pass out for a nap with her after sex, work 2 more hours, go out to sarge with a buddy for a couple hours, then come home to work a few more hours till I fall asleep. If a girl can only hook up late at night because she’s in the bar industry or only has her lunch hour free to bang etc. I can adjust my schedule around being available for that hookup. Sometimes I have to catch up on work and tell girls to eff off for a couple weeks (or have them over just for quickies and kick them out after) but that’s just giving them the gift of missing me so even that works out in the end lol

        I also keep to seeing girls once every week or two at the most, and I don’t have a crazy high sex drive like some guys do so for me banging 1-3 times a week is enough. Right now I have two regular fuckbuddies, so I just alternate them (one one week, one the next) so I get laid between Sun-Wed and then I go out Thurs-Sat to sarge. And any time I’m not doing that, I’m working, sleeping, or posting. I don’t spend 6 hours of my day zoned out watching TV like a lot of people do or go play sports or spend 2 hours in the gym every day etc…flirting/banging/socializing/posting is my main hobby.

        That’s not to say that other hobbies are lame, I probably should hit the gym a bit at least lol but pickup and discussion/teaching pickup is an engaging activity to me so it’s something I try to make a priority. Like I’m actually having fun typing this right now lol

        I’ve had points in pickup where I have a bunch of girls on the go, like 10+ casual fuckbuddies who are available to bang, but that shit is a nightmare lol The validation feels great for a while, but it’s a hassle to juggle esp if you’re trying to get real life shit done and still trying to find time to go out and work on your social skills. I find I’m happiest with 2-3 regular alternating fuckbuddies early in the week (so I’ll have one or two of them over between Sun-Thurs) and randoms on the weekend. I think if I “settled down” long-term with a girl and decided to get more serious with her, my ideal situ would be her as my Primary, and then two regular Secondary fuckbuddies, and then random girls when I go out with the boys or go on vacation etc.

        I do drink Redbull but it’s like one a day, probably less than a lot of people drink coffee lol



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on April 16, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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I gotta say, man, this post really proves my point about supply and demand and the problem with fatties (too many of them). That this much work and strategizing is needed to simply make a date with a thin woman happen. And that is really what it all boils down to.

I concede that CH level game is needed today, but it shouldn’t be the case. It simply should not be *that* difficult for a decent dude to get a date with (and eventually marry and be respected by and have kids with) a pretty, thin woman. We greater betas are only asking for HB7s. Not asking for 10s.

Fuck man.

In other words, it is indeed a supply and demand issue and the competition among men is FIERCE because there are not enough thin women to go around.

This is why, Scray, CH’s posts about shaming fatties do matter. It’s not fair to all of us, as a society, when 80% of women are unbangable fatties. And they are. Just look around. Even if you go to clubs where 90% in that club that night are hotties…okay, thank of that though. even in that situation even on the best night there will be sausage-fest like conditions (more men than hot women) in that club. Now extrapolate that to society at large. Say you go to a popular crowed club and there are 50 hotties in there that night. Well, there are 6 million fatties (the rest of the women) in the rest of the city that particular night.

There are 4 million eligible decent men, say, in a big city, but only about 15,000 women who are not unbangable hogs. I’m making up those numbers but I really think it’s something like that. 15,000 hotties in the right age range in a city with 4 million decent men and 4 million fattie women is bad. Not enough good women to go around.

Hence it requires massive game to land a thin, pretty woman.

Even the PUAs admit it. Those with great attitudes like you and Ya don’t complain about it, but you admit it, talking about how seeing it from the HB8’s perspective…they wake up with 50 new texts every morning, etc.

That is true and also supports my point.

If there were an equal number of thin, pretty women and guys who want thin, pretty woman, each woman’s buying price would go way down.

This is how it was in the 1920s. All women were thin, so every decent man with a job got an acre, a mule, and a thin pretty wife when she was 19 to 21 who was loyal and respectful to him and gave her husband her best 20 years instead of giving them to 55 Yas.

http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/story-for-women-on-matchcom/2013/3/16/a-parable-for-the-older-single-women-of-matchcom-told-by-pro.html


  • YaReally
    on April 16, 2014 at 4:57 pm
    Original Link

    tl;dr version: waaaaah wahhhhh the world isn’t the way I wish it was waaaaaahhhh!!!

    CH has written a bunch of fat-shaming articles, but I’m still seeing girls stuffed into too-small outfits with their muffin-tops hanging out at the bar.

    You can piss & moan or you can deal with reality. It’s that simple.

    The other part you’re missing is that this really isn’t “work” once you get good at it and internalize it and find the fun in the whole silly game. Hell if anything when you have 3 or 4 girls on the go and some chick flakes on you you’re RELIEVED because it means you get a night of peace & quiet or time to see one of the girls you’ve neglected or to get some work done lol


    • YaReally
      on April 17, 2014 at 9:43 am
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      I’m just very good at scheduling. I blame pickup. I know you’re joking but for anyone curious about how I manage my time right now:

      When I started pickup and was going out like 3-5 nights a week regularly, I had a 9-5 job I didn’t give a shit about so I would nap an hour at lunch, nap 3 hours after work, shower up and go sarge, then come home around 2am and pass out to get up for work again (so I end up with my 8 hours of sleep), which got me used to getting by on random naps. On days where I have nothing to do I basically catch up on sleep if I need to. I did this for like 5 years straight.

      Now I work my own hours and I keep my workload light enough to just pay my rent/groceries/etc. so I have a lot of free time when I want it. That’s why I can post a bunch of long rants here and txt girls all day, I’m just taking an hour out of my 6-10 hour work-day to write a bunch of shit and then I go back to work. I can spread my work through the day if I want to have a fuckbuddy over, or take breaks to post, or go out to sarge, or sleep in if I was out late, but I don’t mind if my work stretches all day since I like what I do, so a day for me might look like I work 4 hours, have a girl over to bang, pass out for a nap with her after sex, work 2 more hours, go out to sarge with a buddy for a couple hours, then come home to work a few more hours till I fall asleep. If a girl can only hook up late at night because she’s in the bar industry or only has her lunch hour free to bang etc. I can adjust my schedule around being available for that hookup. Sometimes I have to catch up on work and tell girls to eff off for a couple weeks (or have them over just for quickies and kick them out after) but that’s just giving them the gift of missing me so even that works out in the end lol

      I also keep to seeing girls once every week or two at the most, and I don’t have a crazy high sex drive like some guys do so for me banging 1-3 times a week is enough. Right now I have two regular fuckbuddies, so I just alternate them (one one week, one the next) so I get laid between Sun-Wed and then I go out Thurs-Sat to sarge. And any time I’m not doing that, I’m working, sleeping, or posting. I don’t spend 6 hours of my day zoned out watching TV like a lot of people do or go play sports or spend 2 hours in the gym every day etc…flirting/banging/socializing/posting is my main hobby.

      That’s not to say that other hobbies are lame, I probably should hit the gym a bit at least lol but pickup and discussion/teaching pickup is an engaging activity to me so it’s something I try to make a priority. Like I’m actually having fun typing this right now lol

      I’ve had points in pickup where I have a bunch of girls on the go, like 10+ casual fuckbuddies who are available to bang, but that shit is a nightmare lol The validation feels great for a while, but it’s a hassle to juggle esp if you’re trying to get real life shit done and still trying to find time to go out and work on your social skills. I find I’m happiest with 2-3 regular alternating fuckbuddies early in the week (so I’ll have one or two of them over between Sun-Thurs) and randoms on the weekend. I think if I “settled down” long-term with a girl and decided to get more serious with her, my ideal situ would be her as my Primary, and then two regular Secondary fuckbuddies, and then random girls when I go out with the boys or go on vacation etc.

      I do drink Redbull but it’s like one a day, probably less than a lot of people drink coffee lol


    • YaReally
      on April 18, 2014 at 10:15 am
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      @Hunter

      “Flakes, no response, ughh this process lol”

      Lol if it’s any consolation these still happen to me. They happen to everyone. But usually when you get flakes and no response it means you had Attraction/Light Rapport but not Comfort/Deep Rapport. EVERY guy is throwing Attraction game at her, but Comfort and deep rapport are what make her txt you back. So if this is happening a lot, try getting isolation and getting to know her hopes dreams and get to know her soul lol. It should help increase your response rate



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slickwilly
on April 16, 2014 at 5:01 pm
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“I’ve actually had girls do a reversal on me by first texting me
“are we on for tonight?””

This is what happens when you’re an Alpha


  • YaReally
    on April 16, 2014 at 5:22 pm
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    I like to reply “Are you still hot?” or “Are you still going to wear that dress?” etc. to these ones rather than give a direct answer lol



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“I’ve actually had girls do a reversal on me by first texting me
“are we on for tonight?””

This is what happens when you’re an Alpha


  • YaReally
    on April 16, 2014 at 5:22 pm
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    I like to reply “Are you still hot?” or “Are you still going to wear that dress?” etc. to these ones rather than give a direct answer lol



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YaReally
on April 16, 2014 at 5:21 pm
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Soon as I wake up I shoot a “hey, planning my shit out for the day. You still in for tonight?” txt like I’m just figuring out if I should schedule her in or not. If she flakes I just go “lol” or tease her a bit and then a “k cool” and I won’t txt her for a couple days and when I do txt it’ll be just flirty shit with no attempt to meet up again until she starts showing signs that she wants me to ask again.

That way I know usually before 2pm if she’s going to flake or not. If she says she’ll show, it’s rare for her to flake on that (if she DOES end up flaking she’ll usually txt me right after work so I still know a couple hours in advance). If she’s planning to flake it gives her an out early so I don’t waste my day expecting to meet up.

Really hot girls will flake, they just have a lot of shit going on, it’s no biggie. Some of them will flake on purpose the first time or two, JUST to see how you’ll react. Do you get butthurt? Do you have other shit going on in your life? How invested are you in a girl you haven’t fucked yet? Do you try to give some passive-aggressive “that’s cool, this supermodel wants to hang out with me anyway so whatever” shit she can see right thru?

So it’s more in how you handle the flake than anything. If the girl is really hot or I know we only have X amount of attraction going on because maybe my game wasn’t that tight when I grabbed the number, or she seems like she’s in a bad mood, or my txt game sucked or whatever, often I’ll invite her to do shit that I know she’ll flake on lol Like I’ll have no intention of going out on say a Tuesday but I’ll txt “let’s get drinks tuesday” and let her get her flake on because I know it’s coming lol

Or I’ll flake on her first and invite her out on a Fri/Sat and be like “ya i’ll be downtown with my buddies, bring your girls out and we’ll party together” and then just not txt her at all that night and the next day go “lol sorry last night got messy. let’s get coffee this week” etc.

I actually had a fuckbuddy flake on tonight (legit reasons, we’ve already banged a couple times and her work shit has piled up because we sext all day lol so she’s catching up and I don’t see fuckbuddies on thurs/fri/sat so we’re hooking up next week), but I sent that txt earlier today and she txted back that she knows I like to plan my schedule out so she’ll let me know as soon as she knows and by noon I knew she was a no-go for tonight so I can get some work done.

I have a different fuckbuddy that wants to meet up Friday night and I told her I’ll booty call her at 2am but I have to hang out with my buddy before that. If I don’t pull any girls I’ll go bang her but if I pull I’ll just flake on her and apologize the next day, no biggie.

Flaking is just a thing people do in this age of txting where it’s so EASY to send out invites to shit. In the past when you had to actually dial someone’s home phone number and talk to their parents and then talk to them and set up plans and it was a hassle to confirm plans or invite anyone to anything in the first place, I bet people didn’t flake as much. But when that chick wakes up and her phone has “crazy party this fri!! come out, free booze and VIP entry!!” and “hey beautiful, would you like to go for dinner tonight?” etc. etc. she doesn’t want to be a bitch and tell everyone no but she can’t possibly do EVERYTHING.

So she says “yes” to a bunch of shit, then hangs out with her BFF drinking wine and sees which guys weed themselves out by freaking out and getting butthurt. The ones that are cool about it and give no fucks are the ones she’ll actually bang lol

And like I say in a different response in this thread, this isn’t really work and games to me. It’s just the way shit works, it’s no big deal. I’m not sending out an invite like I’m a fucking 5 year old cutting out a construction-paper heart-shaped valentine for his schoolboy crush inviting her out here lol I’m just throwing out an invite and if she can make it, awesome, let’s fuck, if she flakes then either my game wasn’t tight enough and I can analyze that and learn where I could’ve built a better connection to get her to not flake or she’s just got her own shit going on and that’s alright I can make other plans or enjoy some alone time and not txt her for a few days and/or try for another meetup in the future.

Welcome to gaming in 2014 lol

It’s funny ’cause I was actually telling a newbie young’un buddy about how in the “old days” we had to write phone numbers down on paper so to get a number you’d need paper and a pen from somewhere, and when you called girls you’d call their landline and couldn’t txt or anything, and he’s grown up with cell phones so it was like listening to cavemen talking about hunting dinosaurs to him lol Shit changes, gotta’ adapt or fall behind.


  • LeCoq
    on April 17, 2014 at 8:20 am
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    How would you handle “If you’re dealing with that many girls, it won’t work for us”?


    • YaReally
      on April 17, 2014 at 8:59 am
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      @jack
      lol I heart Bill Burr. Maybe I’ll turn it into a routine for in the field when I’m hitting on younger chicks…they love it when I talk about “back in my day” and tease them for being too young to understand lol

      @LeCoq
      Ideally I wouldn’t end up in that position because I didn’t text something that would lead to that response lol I don’t flaunt that I’m seeing other girls, I’m super discreet…that way girls assume I must have other girls because I’m an attractive guy and they’re into me so obviously other girls must be, but those other girls remain just a mystical hazy image in the distance somewhere and are never really tangible other human beings that they need to worry about.

      I actually have the problem these days of being TOO discreet lol I’m VERY good at scheduling/compartmentalizing, so if a girl flakes on Tuesday but can make Thursday and I’m like “ok cool no prob” she has no idea that flaking Tuesday means I can go out with a buddy and chat up some new girls and that Wednesday I have a different girl coming over to bang…on her end it just looks like I have no life lol so I’m finding I have to be a bit less discreet (so I have to do stuff like not txt her on fri/sats even if I stay in for some reason or I’m drunk/horny at 3am so that she can at least tell that on the weekends I’m probably seeing other girls).

      Anyway, off the top of my head I’d say something like “don’t worry, they’re all 500lbs with hairy legs and unibrows” and try to laugh it off but odds are if she’s sent that it’s because she’s dated a player before and has already ruled you out to where you’d have a lot of work to get her back into taking a chance on you so you might just be fucked on that one.



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YaReally
on April 16, 2014 at 5:21 pm
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Soon as I wake up I shoot a “hey, planning my shit out for the day. You still in for tonight?” txt like I’m just figuring out if I should schedule her in or not. If she flakes I just go “lol” or tease her a bit and then a “k cool” and I won’t txt her for a couple days and when I do txt it’ll be just flirty shit with no attempt to meet up again until she starts showing signs that she wants me to ask again.

That way I know usually before 2pm if she’s going to flake or not. If she says she’ll show, it’s rare for her to flake on that (if she DOES end up flaking she’ll usually txt me right after work so I still know a couple hours in advance). If she’s planning to flake it gives her an out early so I don’t waste my day expecting to meet up.

Really hot girls will flake, they just have a lot of shit going on, it’s no biggie. Some of them will flake on purpose the first time or two, JUST to see how you’ll react. Do you get butthurt? Do you have other shit going on in your life? How invested are you in a girl you haven’t fucked yet? Do you try to give some passive-aggressive “that’s cool, this supermodel wants to hang out with me anyway so whatever” shit she can see right thru?

So it’s more in how you handle the flake than anything. If the girl is really hot or I know we only have X amount of attraction going on because maybe my game wasn’t that tight when I grabbed the number, or she seems like she’s in a bad mood, or my txt game sucked or whatever, often I’ll invite her to do shit that I know she’ll flake on lol Like I’ll have no intention of going out on say a Tuesday but I’ll txt “let’s get drinks tuesday” and let her get her flake on because I know it’s coming lol

Or I’ll flake on her first and invite her out on a Fri/Sat and be like “ya i’ll be downtown with my buddies, bring your girls out and we’ll party together” and then just not txt her at all that night and the next day go “lol sorry last night got messy. let’s get coffee this week” etc.

I actually had a fuckbuddy flake on tonight (legit reasons, we’ve already banged a couple times and her work shit has piled up because we sext all day lol so she’s catching up and I don’t see fuckbuddies on thurs/fri/sat so we’re hooking up next week), but I sent that txt earlier today and she txted back that she knows I like to plan my schedule out so she’ll let me know as soon as she knows and by noon I knew she was a no-go for tonight so I can get some work done.

I have a different fuckbuddy that wants to meet up Friday night and I told her I’ll booty call her at 2am but I have to hang out with my buddy before that. If I don’t pull any girls I’ll go bang her but if I pull I’ll just flake on her and apologize the next day, no biggie.

Flaking is just a thing people do in this age of txting where it’s so EASY to send out invites to shit. In the past when you had to actually dial someone’s home phone number and talk to their parents and then talk to them and set up plans and it was a hassle to confirm plans or invite anyone to anything in the first place, I bet people didn’t flake as much. But when that chick wakes up and her phone has “crazy party this fri!! come out, free booze and VIP entry!!” and “hey beautiful, would you like to go for dinner tonight?” etc. etc. she doesn’t want to be a bitch and tell everyone no but she can’t possibly do EVERYTHING.

So she says “yes” to a bunch of shit, then hangs out with her BFF drinking wine and sees which guys weed themselves out by freaking out and getting butthurt. The ones that are cool about it and give no fucks are the ones she’ll actually bang lol

And like I say in a different response in this thread, this isn’t really work and games to me. It’s just the way shit works, it’s no big deal. I’m not sending out an invite like I’m a fucking 5 year old cutting out a construction-paper heart-shaped valentine for his schoolboy crush inviting her out here lol I’m just throwing out an invite and if she can make it, awesome, let’s fuck, if she flakes then either my game wasn’t tight enough and I can analyze that and learn where I could’ve built a better connection to get her to not flake or she’s just got her own shit going on and that’s alright I can make other plans or enjoy some alone time and not txt her for a few days and/or try for another meetup in the future.

Welcome to gaming in 2014 lol

It’s funny ’cause I was actually telling a newbie young’un buddy about how in the “old days” we had to write phone numbers down on paper so to get a number you’d need paper and a pen from somewhere, and when you called girls you’d call their landline and couldn’t txt or anything, and he’s grown up with cell phones so it was like listening to cavemen talking about hunting dinosaurs to him lol Shit changes, gotta’ adapt or fall behind.


  • LeCoq
    on April 17, 2014 at 8:20 am
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    How would you handle “If you’re dealing with that many girls, it won’t work for us”?


    • YaReally
      on April 17, 2014 at 8:59 am
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      @jack
      lol I heart Bill Burr. Maybe I’ll turn it into a routine for in the field when I’m hitting on younger chicks…they love it when I talk about “back in my day” and tease them for being too young to understand lol

      @LeCoq
      Ideally I wouldn’t end up in that position because I didn’t text something that would lead to that response lol I don’t flaunt that I’m seeing other girls, I’m super discreet…that way girls assume I must have other girls because I’m an attractive guy and they’re into me so obviously other girls must be, but those other girls remain just a mystical hazy image in the distance somewhere and are never really tangible other human beings that they need to worry about.

      I actually have the problem these days of being TOO discreet lol I’m VERY good at scheduling/compartmentalizing, so if a girl flakes on Tuesday but can make Thursday and I’m like “ok cool no prob” she has no idea that flaking Tuesday means I can go out with a buddy and chat up some new girls and that Wednesday I have a different girl coming over to bang…on her end it just looks like I have no life lol so I’m finding I have to be a bit less discreet (so I have to do stuff like not txt her on fri/sats even if I stay in for some reason or I’m drunk/horny at 3am so that she can at least tell that on the weekends I’m probably seeing other girls).

      Anyway, off the top of my head I’d say something like “don’t worry, they’re all 500lbs with hairy legs and unibrows” and try to laugh it off but odds are if she’s sent that it’s because she’s dated a player before and has already ruled you out to where you’d have a lot of work to get her back into taking a chance on you so you might just be fucked on that one.



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@YaReally: you said this in a couple blog posts ago–

“If you fuck a girl daily, and spend time cuddling and shit with her and like, go out for a movie and have some dates where you don’t have sex etc., esp if she isn’t seeing anyone else and she knows you aren’t seeing anyone else and you let her think you’d be a good provider etc., she’s going to fall in love FAST. Like within a week or two of this shit.”

I could see how this is true…a couple questions on it that you might be able to answer:

a). How do you communicate to her that you aren’t seeing anyone else without coming across as beta.

b.) how much of “fucking her daily” “going to movies” etc. is it you initiating and how much of it is hers?

and C.) basically i;ve had a fuckbuddy for about 8 months (on and off a little, pretty tight game) and i want to convert it to a stable LTR where she is in love with me. What would you say is the best way to do this?


  • Will
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    And

    D.) will a fuckbuddy shit test you as you try to transition to an LTR and if you fail them you want transition?


    • YaReally
      on April 17, 2014 at 5:21 am
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      Think of it like you’re in a car that’s on a super steep hill, holding the brake (fuckbuddies). All you’re doing is easing up on the brake and letting the car start going forward faster and faster, you’re not necessarily pressing on the gas.

      So for it to happen organically VS looking like you’re desperate/needy, it can take a little time depending on where you’re starting from, your schedules, how big a leap you’re making etc. So if the first night you meet her you end up spending two weeks in bed together (say you both met on vacation or something), she’s gonna’ be in love. But if you’re 8 months of seeing her once a week in, and you suggest spending two weeks together that’s gonna’ set off all sorts of “woah, he’s looking for commitment now” flags in her head because you’re changing the situation up dramatically all of a sudden…and the conversations/attitudes you’ve had with her about monogamy/relationships/etc. are going to affect how she views that stuff.

      But say after 8 months, you guys bang and fall asleep and in the morning instead of kicking her out like you normally would, you say “I’m starving…lets get some breakfast.” and take her to some diner up the street for bacon & eggs, THEN send her home, it’s a tiny little thing but it starts that car moving down that hill.

      Then maybe the next week you let a txt conversation go longer than you normally would, maybe get it into sexting and then tell her she should come over that week so that now you’re gonna’ end up hooking up together twice in one week instead of the usual once a week but you blame the sexting convo and that it made you horny and you want to see her in that one dress bla bla

      Then maybe every few weeks she offers an invite to do something like go to a movie or hang with her friends (the problem with being 8 months in is that you may have trained this behavior out of her already lol) and instead of going “fuck no” like you normally would, you let her drag you to whatever it is a few times and then after doing it a few times you let it slip that you kiiiiind of maaaaaybe don’t entirely mind it TOOOO much, and in her mind she goes “yesssss!! I’m winning him over!! :)”

      Being 8 months in you probably COULD just go “hey, let’s go on a fucking date.” lol but I like the girl to feel like she’s winning me over because they get a kick out of that (Bella winning over Edward and all that chick-romance shit) and it avoids the beta/needy frame because I’m like, begrudgingly becoming open to a relationship with her, VS begging for one.

      And if she’s out the door before you eat and doesn’t invite you to anything and raises an eyebrow when you invite her over on a day you don’t normally invite her over, she might ask questions you’ll have to laugh off, or she might not be there herself, or more likely after 8 months is that you’ve trained her you not expect any of that so it would be a foreign thing to her, and then you’d probably have to be a bit more pro-active.

      A) Just see her more often, and/or see her on nights you’d normally go out and hang with or meet other girls, and when she asks about like “your going out tonight?” say stuff like “nah too much work to do” or “no I’m exhausted I figured I’d just stay in tonight” etc.

      B) Ideally she initiates and you begrudgingly allow it to happen as she slowly wins you over, that’s the best frame possible because they love that feeling of taming the bad boy. But if you’ve trained those hopes out of her then you might have to initiate more and deal with the subsequent “wtf is with you??” questions

      C) Slow & steady, let her win you over. It’s a LOT easier to do in winter where people don’t go out as much and everyone’s lonely and wants a reliable warm body for the cold winter nights, but it should be do-able this time of year. If she mentions she needs a date for a wedding or something, be her date (I usually say stuff like “is there free food? Can I get hammered? Do I get to wear my suit?” like those are the reasons I’d want to go, and then at the wedding I just be all boyfriendy with her).

      You could be super-proactive and lay down a dramatic speech about how she’s better than other girls and how you’ve burned your little black book of phone numbers and chosen her because shes The One etc. etc. but that’s starting things out in the frame of you chasing/needing her instead of the other way around so it’s not ideal compared to her winning you over.

      D) Oh ya, they’ll shit-test the fuck out of you after 8 months if you’re too pro-active too fast. Like if she invites you to a wedding and you begrudgingly agree to be her date, she won’t shit-test you. But if you’ve been seeing her only on Sundays for 8 months and then suddenly you’re like “hey, come over” on a Wednesday and when she gets there you’re like “we’re going to dinner” and take her to some nice restaurant, she’s going to be like “what’s going on? Are you dying?” and shit-test you like crazy lol So ideally you let things progress just fast enough to avoid shit-testing…if you get shit-tested, it’s a sign you’re probably moving a bit faster than you should.

      Ironically it would actually be faster to get a new girl to fall in love with you than an 8 month fuckbuddy, because with the new girl there’s no established patterns of behavior yet so you can do a bunch of stuff that’ll get her to fall for you without getting shit-tested because she has no frame of reference that you’re doing anything unusual, but an 8 month FB will notice deviations in your patterns…so a new girl could fall in love and be turned into a doting LTR in a week, but it could take like a month or two to get your 8 month FB into an LTR where she still feels like you’re the prize and she’s lovingly doting on you.

      Hope that helps, and good luck! Also when you DO get her into an LTR, I recommend still going out with buddies now and then and letting her wonder what you’re up to…don’t take all of the mystery away and just become obsessed with eachother or she’ll get bored. Part of why she’s into you is that you’re cool social attractive with tight game etc., so don’t throw that all out completely lol



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@YaReally: you said this in a couple blog posts ago–

“If you fuck a girl daily, and spend time cuddling and shit with her and like, go out for a movie and have some dates where you don’t have sex etc., esp if she isn’t seeing anyone else and she knows you aren’t seeing anyone else and you let her think you’d be a good provider etc., she’s going to fall in love FAST. Like within a week or two of this shit.”

I could see how this is true…a couple questions on it that you might be able to answer:

a). How do you communicate to her that you aren’t seeing anyone else without coming across as beta.

b.) how much of “fucking her daily” “going to movies” etc. is it you initiating and how much of it is hers?

and C.) basically i;ve had a fuckbuddy for about 8 months (on and off a little, pretty tight game) and i want to convert it to a stable LTR where she is in love with me. What would you say is the best way to do this?


  • Will
    on April 17, 2014 at 1:02 am
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    And

    D.) will a fuckbuddy shit test you as you try to transition to an LTR and if you fail them you want transition?


    • YaReally
      on April 17, 2014 at 5:21 am
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      Think of it like you’re in a car that’s on a super steep hill, holding the brake (fuckbuddies). All you’re doing is easing up on the brake and letting the car start going forward faster and faster, you’re not necessarily pressing on the gas.

      So for it to happen organically VS looking like you’re desperate/needy, it can take a little time depending on where you’re starting from, your schedules, how big a leap you’re making etc. So if the first night you meet her you end up spending two weeks in bed together (say you both met on vacation or something), she’s gonna’ be in love. But if you’re 8 months of seeing her once a week in, and you suggest spending two weeks together that’s gonna’ set off all sorts of “woah, he’s looking for commitment now” flags in her head because you’re changing the situation up dramatically all of a sudden…and the conversations/attitudes you’ve had with her about monogamy/relationships/etc. are going to affect how she views that stuff.

      But say after 8 months, you guys bang and fall asleep and in the morning instead of kicking her out like you normally would, you say “I’m starving…lets get some breakfast.” and take her to some diner up the street for bacon & eggs, THEN send her home, it’s a tiny little thing but it starts that car moving down that hill.

      Then maybe the next week you let a txt conversation go longer than you normally would, maybe get it into sexting and then tell her she should come over that week so that now you’re gonna’ end up hooking up together twice in one week instead of the usual once a week but you blame the sexting convo and that it made you horny and you want to see her in that one dress bla bla

      Then maybe every few weeks she offers an invite to do something like go to a movie or hang with her friends (the problem with being 8 months in is that you may have trained this behavior out of her already lol) and instead of going “fuck no” like you normally would, you let her drag you to whatever it is a few times and then after doing it a few times you let it slip that you kiiiiind of maaaaaybe don’t entirely mind it TOOOO much, and in her mind she goes “yesssss!! I’m winning him over!! :)”

      Being 8 months in you probably COULD just go “hey, let’s go on a fucking date.” lol but I like the girl to feel like she’s winning me over because they get a kick out of that (Bella winning over Edward and all that chick-romance shit) and it avoids the beta/needy frame because I’m like, begrudgingly becoming open to a relationship with her, VS begging for one.

      And if she’s out the door before you eat and doesn’t invite you to anything and raises an eyebrow when you invite her over on a day you don’t normally invite her over, she might ask questions you’ll have to laugh off, or she might not be there herself, or more likely after 8 months is that you’ve trained her you not expect any of that so it would be a foreign thing to her, and then you’d probably have to be a bit more pro-active.

      A) Just see her more often, and/or see her on nights you’d normally go out and hang with or meet other girls, and when she asks about like “your going out tonight?” say stuff like “nah too much work to do” or “no I’m exhausted I figured I’d just stay in tonight” etc.

      B) Ideally she initiates and you begrudgingly allow it to happen as she slowly wins you over, that’s the best frame possible because they love that feeling of taming the bad boy. But if you’ve trained those hopes out of her then you might have to initiate more and deal with the subsequent “wtf is with you??” questions

      C) Slow & steady, let her win you over. It’s a LOT easier to do in winter where people don’t go out as much and everyone’s lonely and wants a reliable warm body for the cold winter nights, but it should be do-able this time of year. If she mentions she needs a date for a wedding or something, be her date (I usually say stuff like “is there free food? Can I get hammered? Do I get to wear my suit?” like those are the reasons I’d want to go, and then at the wedding I just be all boyfriendy with her).

      You could be super-proactive and lay down a dramatic speech about how she’s better than other girls and how you’ve burned your little black book of phone numbers and chosen her because shes The One etc. etc. but that’s starting things out in the frame of you chasing/needing her instead of the other way around so it’s not ideal compared to her winning you over.

      D) Oh ya, they’ll shit-test the fuck out of you after 8 months if you’re too pro-active too fast. Like if she invites you to a wedding and you begrudgingly agree to be her date, she won’t shit-test you. But if you’ve been seeing her only on Sundays for 8 months and then suddenly you’re like “hey, come over” on a Wednesday and when she gets there you’re like “we’re going to dinner” and take her to some nice restaurant, she’s going to be like “what’s going on? Are you dying?” and shit-test you like crazy lol So ideally you let things progress just fast enough to avoid shit-testing…if you get shit-tested, it’s a sign you’re probably moving a bit faster than you should.

      Ironically it would actually be faster to get a new girl to fall in love with you than an 8 month fuckbuddy, because with the new girl there’s no established patterns of behavior yet so you can do a bunch of stuff that’ll get her to fall for you without getting shit-tested because she has no frame of reference that you’re doing anything unusual, but an 8 month FB will notice deviations in your patterns…so a new girl could fall in love and be turned into a doting LTR in a week, but it could take like a month or two to get your 8 month FB into an LTR where she still feels like you’re the prize and she’s lovingly doting on you.

      Hope that helps, and good luck! Also when you DO get her into an LTR, I recommend still going out with buddies now and then and letting her wonder what you’re up to…don’t take all of the mystery away and just become obsessed with eachother or she’ll get bored. Part of why she’s into you is that you’re cool social attractive with tight game etc., so don’t throw that all out completely lol



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on April 18, 2014 at 10:15 am
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@Hunter

“Flakes, no response, ughh this process lol”

Lol if it’s any consolation these still happen to me. They happen to everyone. But usually when you get flakes and no response it means you had Attraction/Light Rapport but not Comfort/Deep Rapport. EVERY guy is throwing Attraction game at her, but Comfort and deep rapport are what make her txt you back. So if this is happening a lot, try getting isolation and getting to know her hopes dreams and get to know her soul lol. It should help increase your response rate



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I’ve gotten “oh no” in these circumstances. It’s nicer than “wow” IF she interprets it as sympathy. But she can also interpret it as “oh no I can’t believe you’re a flake”.


  • Grim
    on April 15, 2014 at 2:32 pm
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    when dealing with Latinas, whenever they say “thanks, I respond “de nalgas,” which means “I did it for you because of your nice ass” and is a play on “de nada” of course. they looooooove it. OMG that’s so ruuuude!!

    last one really didn’t know if I really didn’t know what I had said. that was the one where I was 40% alpha with her but still fucked it up with 60% beta including nice dinner on first date.

    I finally learned my lesson on that. no more dinner dates. as ya really said, I can’t think the rules don’t apply to me.


    • Grim
      on April 15, 2014 at 2:58 pm
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      Baby steps, right? I have yet another field report from yesterday’s day gaming, as I have decided to take YaReally’s advice to take advantage of my “strengths” (situation). Since I don’t like drinking alcohol, inhaling second-hand smoke in bars, or staying out late and getting no sleep, and online dating sucks, my thing has to be day game. As YaReally said, I can still day game 2 hours per day, on the street, from 6 until 8 or 8 until 10 and still get enough sleep.

      More baby steps:

      So yesterday I went to the local track to run sprints. At the track there was a “track club,” which I plan on joining for obvious reasons. In the track club, of course, were about 4 hotties and one mega-hottie true 10 (in my book–9 for those who say a 10 does not exist in nature). She is probably 22, beautiful face, perfect body, latina. Seriously fine.

      So I run my sprint interval workout and complete the entire thing (6 quarter-miles and eight 100s) during the the “track club” just sits there stretching for 1.5 hours, as is typical of those things. It’s clearly a social club and they do very little training. They managed to jog 2 laps (1/2 mile) during the time I worked my ass of doing an interval workout.

      Getting to the FR. So I was watching the HB10 when I could but I don’t think she detected any bet male gaze or violation of 3 second rule as I was doing my running from afar. But at the end of my last 100M sprint, she happened to be sitting there stretching–it was like God gave me this opportunity. Her group had finally started running but she was sitting this one out.

      I was super exhausted and in pain from sprinting (I’m out of shape…only started doing sprints again 3 weeks ago and was reminded that it is very hard to force yourself to work that hard doing squats in a gym). As I’m freakin’ way out of breath with heart rate probably 180 bpm, I walk/limp up right beside her and say (I’m kind of standing over her…she’s sitting and stretching):

      Me: Running is painful.
      Her: (smiles/laughs a little) Yeah.
      Me: What is this, some kind of track club? (she had seen me running sprints but not being part of their group for the preceding 1.5 hours)
      Her: Yeah. We all know each other and come out here and run. This is only my second time.
      Me: Cool. So I can just come and join and run with you guys?
      Her: Yeah.
      Me: Every Monday and Wednesday at 7? (another guy had already told me that…I ran some 100s with him…not all of them are there for social hour and some break off and actually train)
      Her: Yep.
      Me: Cool. I might do that next week. Why are you sitting this one out? (she is in phenomenal shape and was one of the faster ones, male or female, during the laps they did)
      Her: I’m just getting back into it. I just had surgery.
      Me: Oh. Yeah, I used to run but I’m just getting back into it (and I pat my fat beer belly, which I kind of have).
      Her: smiles or laughs.. I forget
      Me: Well, enjoy. (then I walk off)

      Now….what should I have done? If I may say, here is my beta hangup in this situation. I have been told by girls, including hotties I have fucked such as my ex GF, that girls really do have this attitude that they don’t go to the gym to get hit on and they find it annoying. That really –and I realize this is part of my beta mindset– informs my actions in these situations and I try to be the “special snowflake beta man” and prove that I’m not that annoying guy who is going to ask them out.

      But why? They don’t mind getting hit on if it’s the right alpha, right? It would be okay if we were drunk in a bar, but I can’t get her # when it’s clear we have at least one thing on common…going to a track to run and be healthy during the daytime.

      So it’s like, again, like re the waitress about whom I posted yesterday: I have no trouble talking to a girl, even a hottie, looking her in the eye, talking slowly and in a deep voice, being at ease….then I don’t seal the deal and actually ask for her number because my beta mindset is like I’m proving I’m not “the typical guy” who hits on her when she’s at the track or gym to work out.

      Which of course does nobody any good…..I have nothing to lose and she might actually like me.

      So what’s the play there…. “put your number in my phone” after the above interaction? aCtuyally I didn’t even have my phone. I could have said:

      “I’ll go to my car and get my phone and come back and you can put your number in it”?

      What?

      Another thing is, like with anything, women rarely do anything alone, so most women I see on the track are very clearly there with a male training partner/boyfriend, but this particular woman did not seem to be “with” any of the other track club members.

      So the general question is, what is the deal re girls not wanting to be hit on when they’re at the gym to work out? Same rule as always? They don’t want to be hit on by beta creepers but if I’m alpha enough, they DO want to be hit on?


      • YaReally
        on April 17, 2014 at 5:55 am
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        @Grim

        You did good actually. Remember that this is no longer cold-approach pickup, now you’re running social circle game. If you had said like “I’m never going to run here again, I just thought I’d check it out today” like it’s a one-time thing that you’re there, then you could grab her # but because you told her you’re going to join her group, now you’re social circle so you run things a bit slower and less aggressive like you did.

        Like Mystery says “you don’t choose a 10, a 10 chooses you”. So basically go be awesome around her until she starts shooting you iois. Take your running seriously (because the shape she’s in and not being there just to socialize etc. she probably takes running seriously too and is only holding back from her surgery, so she’ll respect that you’re actually there to run), joke around with the guys in the group and get them loving you, flirt with the girls in the group but don’t take it too far (flirt with them the way you’d flirt with a little old lady, like you’re just a social fun flirty guy who makes girls giggle but you’re only actually available for the smokin hot girls), tease her a bit (taunting her playfully when she runs and shit) but leave on high notes like you did, etc.

        It’ll probably take a few runs with the group but eventually she’ll start giving you ioi’s because you’ll be one of the highest value guys in the group and from there she’ll make it pretty easy for you to suggest “that’s cool, sure let’s go for coffee then, you can tell me all about your bla bla”…like she’ll help make it happen (there’s a good Tyler Field Report out there somewhere where he describes a 10 picking a separate line from him to wait in, to see if he’d chase her, and then when he doesn’t she comes over to his line and says “this line looks more fun!” like the most retarded excuse ever lol really hot girls will do this kind of thing because they know what they want so they’ll help make it happen when they’ve decided they want you).

        So basically the optimal move is running classic Mystery Method “work the group, ignore/tease the target, then validate her once she chases your attention” theory here…the only real chance you’re taking is that she might ditch the running group and you’ll never see her again (and you’ll be like “ahhh why didn’t I get her number ahhhh!!” lol), or she might meet some dude on the weekend etc., but most guys have shit game and if the running group is solid and the track you’re running on is popular etc. she’ll probably stick around.

        You COULD try some direct shit and it MIGHT work, but like, properly executed MM is going to take longer but be like an 80-90% chance of success, and direct shit is going to be faster but be like a 25% chance of complete hail-mary success. Like if she wasn’t asking you questions about yourself in that first conversation and trying to extend the convo with you and keep you from walking off, she probably isn’t initially attracted enough to you (not that you’re ugly but that she hasn’t seen you DHV enough) for direct game to work and if you got blown off you could tell yourself “whatever, chick was probably a lesbian anyway!” and protect your ego but the truth is that you didn’t run proper game to land her.

        If she WAS shooting you a bunch of iois in that first convo, like she would if George Clooney (who just by being George Clooney has already DHV’ed a ton by reputation) joined her running group, then ya, go nuts, direct close the shit out of that lol But the hotter girl is going to screen a lot harder…even if you’re a good looking dude, a 7 or 8 might be all up on your junk in the initial convo, but the 9 or 10 is going to sit back and see if you have the value to back up your looks first (because usually her social circle is a ton of good-looking dudes who are orbiting beta chumps under it).

        Plus on top of all that, this is now her “hobby”, so she’s going to be hesitant to let you bang her right off the bat because if you turn out to be some lame beta stalker/orbiter chode, then she’s lost her hobby running group. A lot of those girls that you mentioned where they don’t want to get hit on while they exercise don’t necessarily not want to get hit on, they just don’t want to deal with loser guys causing them drama at their gym so that they have to feel awkward/hesitant every time they go there instead of relaxed so their hobby environment becomes hostile and it’s easier to just have a rule of being standoffish with all men instead of risking that shit…so a more indirect method of DHV’ing by working the group in front of her is going to let her comfortably choose you on her own.

        Anyway, good luck with it. And remember Attraction doesn’t get you laid, Comfort does…if you DO get into a convo with her about like her surgery, ya you can joke about “oh must’ve been titty surgery lolololz” and get her to laugh, but that’s not going to get her to want to fuck you…you’re better off getting into a deep comfort/rapport conversation about why she got surgery, how scary it was, relate your own experiences with surgery/hospitals/recovering/etc. and build a deep comfort/rapport bond with her to where she feels like she’s known you her whole life. That’s the shit that’ll get you laid because most guys can’t even have a normal conversation with a girl that looks like her, let alone a deep one that takes her on little emotional rollercoasters and gets her to open up about her feelings and shit.

        And props for going out a couple hours a day. Don’t go compete with the young drunk high-energy elbow-to-elbow loud music chaotic bar shit-show if that’s not your thing. Paul Janka has described how he and a buddy just walk from one part of New York to another part just running daygame on girls and collecting numbers, and then while other guys are out competing in the meat markets, he’s inviting these girls out on Day2s at quiet out of the way lounges/restaurants and actually fucking them lol It’s a good strategy and one I’ll probably take up myself as I get older.



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Amy
on April 15, 2014 at 2:24 pm
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I’ve gotten “oh no” in these circumstances. It’s nicer than “wow” IF she interprets it as sympathy. But she can also interpret it as “oh no I can’t believe you’re a flake”.


  • Grim
    on April 15, 2014 at 2:32 pm
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    when dealing with Latinas, whenever they say “thanks, I respond “de nalgas,” which means “I did it for you because of your nice ass” and is a play on “de nada” of course. they looooooove it. OMG that’s so ruuuude!!

    last one really didn’t know if I really didn’t know what I had said. that was the one where I was 40% alpha with her but still fucked it up with 60% beta including nice dinner on first date.

    I finally learned my lesson on that. no more dinner dates. as ya really said, I can’t think the rules don’t apply to me.


    • YaReally
      on April 17, 2014 at 5:55 am
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      @Grim

      You did good actually. Remember that this is no longer cold-approach pickup, now you’re running social circle game. If you had said like “I’m never going to run here again, I just thought I’d check it out today” like it’s a one-time thing that you’re there, then you could grab her # but because you told her you’re going to join her group, now you’re social circle so you run things a bit slower and less aggressive like you did.

      Like Mystery says “you don’t choose a 10, a 10 chooses you”. So basically go be awesome around her until she starts shooting you iois. Take your running seriously (because the shape she’s in and not being there just to socialize etc. she probably takes running seriously too and is only holding back from her surgery, so she’ll respect that you’re actually there to run), joke around with the guys in the group and get them loving you, flirt with the girls in the group but don’t take it too far (flirt with them the way you’d flirt with a little old lady, like you’re just a social fun flirty guy who makes girls giggle but you’re only actually available for the smokin hot girls), tease her a bit (taunting her playfully when she runs and shit) but leave on high notes like you did, etc.

      It’ll probably take a few runs with the group but eventually she’ll start giving you ioi’s because you’ll be one of the highest value guys in the group and from there she’ll make it pretty easy for you to suggest “that’s cool, sure let’s go for coffee then, you can tell me all about your bla bla”…like she’ll help make it happen (there’s a good Tyler Field Report out there somewhere where he describes a 10 picking a separate line from him to wait in, to see if he’d chase her, and then when he doesn’t she comes over to his line and says “this line looks more fun!” like the most retarded excuse ever lol really hot girls will do this kind of thing because they know what they want so they’ll help make it happen when they’ve decided they want you).

      So basically the optimal move is running classic Mystery Method “work the group, ignore/tease the target, then validate her once she chases your attention” theory here…the only real chance you’re taking is that she might ditch the running group and you’ll never see her again (and you’ll be like “ahhh why didn’t I get her number ahhhh!!” lol), or she might meet some dude on the weekend etc., but most guys have shit game and if the running group is solid and the track you’re running on is popular etc. she’ll probably stick around.

      You COULD try some direct shit and it MIGHT work, but like, properly executed MM is going to take longer but be like an 80-90% chance of success, and direct shit is going to be faster but be like a 25% chance of complete hail-mary success. Like if she wasn’t asking you questions about yourself in that first conversation and trying to extend the convo with you and keep you from walking off, she probably isn’t initially attracted enough to you (not that you’re ugly but that she hasn’t seen you DHV enough) for direct game to work and if you got blown off you could tell yourself “whatever, chick was probably a lesbian anyway!” and protect your ego but the truth is that you didn’t run proper game to land her.

      If she WAS shooting you a bunch of iois in that first convo, like she would if George Clooney (who just by being George Clooney has already DHV’ed a ton by reputation) joined her running group, then ya, go nuts, direct close the shit out of that lol But the hotter girl is going to screen a lot harder…even if you’re a good looking dude, a 7 or 8 might be all up on your junk in the initial convo, but the 9 or 10 is going to sit back and see if you have the value to back up your looks first (because usually her social circle is a ton of good-looking dudes who are orbiting beta chumps under it).

      Plus on top of all that, this is now her “hobby”, so she’s going to be hesitant to let you bang her right off the bat because if you turn out to be some lame beta stalker/orbiter chode, then she’s lost her hobby running group. A lot of those girls that you mentioned where they don’t want to get hit on while they exercise don’t necessarily not want to get hit on, they just don’t want to deal with loser guys causing them drama at their gym so that they have to feel awkward/hesitant every time they go there instead of relaxed so their hobby environment becomes hostile and it’s easier to just have a rule of being standoffish with all men instead of risking that shit…so a more indirect method of DHV’ing by working the group in front of her is going to let her comfortably choose you on her own.

      Anyway, good luck with it. And remember Attraction doesn’t get you laid, Comfort does…if you DO get into a convo with her about like her surgery, ya you can joke about “oh must’ve been titty surgery lolololz” and get her to laugh, but that’s not going to get her to want to fuck you…you’re better off getting into a deep comfort/rapport conversation about why she got surgery, how scary it was, relate your own experiences with surgery/hospitals/recovering/etc. and build a deep comfort/rapport bond with her to where she feels like she’s known you her whole life. That’s the shit that’ll get you laid because most guys can’t even have a normal conversation with a girl that looks like her, let alone a deep one that takes her on little emotional rollercoasters and gets her to open up about her feelings and shit.

      And props for going out a couple hours a day. Don’t go compete with the young drunk high-energy elbow-to-elbow loud music chaotic bar shit-show if that’s not your thing. Paul Janka has described how he and a buddy just walk from one part of New York to another part just running daygame on girls and collecting numbers, and then while other guys are out competing in the meat markets, he’s inviting these girls out on Day2s at quiet out of the way lounges/restaurants and actually fucking them lol It’s a good strategy and one I’ll probably take up myself as I get older.



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Nomennovum
on April 15, 2014 at 4:11 pm
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I love the pre-flake texts:

ME: 630 El Bar Dive

HER: OK! See you then, if work doesn’t get crazy.

ME: right

“Right” is universally recognized as sarcasm, and it is sarcasm. (Except when it isn’t?)

I don’t know if it reduces the chance she’ll flake at 6:30, since the pre-flake excuse-building means she’s waiting for something better to come along, but it allows me to do this when the almost inevitable flake comes:

HER: Sorry!!! My boss is making me stay late. Big project! Rain check?

ME: right


  • theasdgamer
    on April 15, 2014 at 5:50 pm
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    Nah, you say, “Works out for me better, too. :)” Now you use the smiley face correctly as in “in your face, I got a hot date.”

    Hopefully, you’ve been working on lining up a replacement.


    • Steve H
      on April 15, 2014 at 6:15 pm
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      no. spiteful, transparent, and transparently false.

      what do girls always say when they want to say no as politely as possible?

      ‘probably, lot going on next week’


      • theasdgamer
        on April 15, 2014 at 6:44 pm
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        Not if you’ve lined up a replacement like you ought. Then you post pics on fb of the two of you. Or you go to a bar and get a selfie with a chick there and post that on fb. There are many ways to make this fly and have a good time.


        • Nomennovum
          on April 15, 2014 at 6:51 pm
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          Fuck, that’s complicated. Keep life simple, man. Plus, I’d never do a selfie and I don’t have FB.


          • YaReally
            on April 16, 2014 at 11:00 am
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            “Not because he’s banging some wife (though that in and of itself is reprehensible and an attack on men more than women)”

            If he does his job and keeps her satisfied, she won’t look for cock on the side. It’s impossible to seduce a girl who thinks her man is better than me. If his chick is sucking the cock of a reprehensible piece of shit like me, it means she thinks he’s lower value than I am in some way…that should make that guy take a long hard look at himself, ’cause snuffing me out won’t change the fact that his wife thinks he’s low value and she’ll be sucking some other guy off in a bar bathroom after my funeral lol

            “he isn’t smart enough to realize that a lot of men with guns are men with resources and training and that he *will* be tracked down, eventually, and made into a pile of bloody entrails and goo.”

            I’m smart enough to realize that the men who would ACTUALLY go through with any of that are generally the same men who are alpha enough that their wives aren’t looking to get railed by other cock.

            On top of all that, society has shifted to where most people blame the girl for being a cheating whore instead of the guy for just busting a nut where he can. ’cause at the end of the day I’m a single dude just getting pussy that makes itself available to me…SHE’S the one breaking vows and trust and commitment.

            This isn’t 1920 where I’m fooling around with the farmer’s wife while he polishes his shotgun collection downstairs lol This is 2014 where his wife has a profile on Tinder and is out on girls’ nights out looking for dick because her beta schlub husband works a cubicle job that eats away at his soul.

            “And when it does, no amount of “game” or any other well laid, ten paragraph detailed plans will me jack shit. Disappointing.”

            Actually it wouldn’t be that difficult to talk someone out of an angry state. Very few people are going to keep up a level 10 rage all the way through weeks of tracking someone down and the drive to their house and oops they didn’t answer the door this time okay I’ll try again tomorrow etc. They’re more likely to show up with maybe a 7/10 level of anger, if that, and it’s not real hard to talk someone out of that…there’s a reason police don’t just open fire on everyone, a lot of times you can talk someone down.

            Now maybe if they walked in on us banging and there was a gun in arm’s reach, but that’s why I don’t fuck taken girls in their husband’s home lol


          • YaReally
            on April 16, 2014 at 5:40 pm
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            “Sometimes a wife will come after a player and he won’t know that she’s married;”

            If a dude shows up you say “Ah shit sorry man, she told me she was single. I wouldn’t have even talked to her if I knew she had a boyfriend, my girlfriend cheated on me like that a couple years ago. Sorry man, fuckin women these days!” and even turn to the girl and be like “That shit isn’t fuckin’ cool, you shouldn’t disrespect your man like that and be out flirting with guys at the bar. What the fuck is wrong with you??” and basically team up with him against her and throw her the fuck under the bus lol

            Most guys have at least one good buddy who’s GF has cheated on him so a lot of guys put the blame on the girl now.

            And of course you GTFO in all the confusion while she’s backpedaling explaining herself and never talk to her again.

            “or a jealous bf will show up unexpectedly when you’re playing fun and games.”

            Same deal. “What?? You have a BF? What the fuck, you told me you were single! My ex cheated on me like that, that’s not fucking cool. Man, I’m sorry dude, I had no idea.” and GTFO while his focus is on her for a minute.

            “Or some drunk cunt will play grabass or grabtit with you right in front of her man.”

            This is usually easy to spot if you’re sober and you’ve been paying attention to group dynamics but either way I tend to drop a line about “I don’t think your boyfriend would approve of this” to get her to either say “he won’t mind” or “he’s a loser anyway” etc. or to admit “I don’t have a boyfriend” so I have an idea of what I’m dealing with.

            If she tells me she doesn’t have a boyfriend and it turns out he’s right behind her watching us, same situ as earlier “What? Really? Sorry man, I asked if she had a BF and she told me no. Shit, what’s wrong with you woman? Don’t tool your man like that” etc.

            I also don’t do really heavy groping-direct game so it avoids a lot of this because if I’m talking to a girl for a few minutes, even though I haven’t touched her yet it’s usually pretty clear if there’s a guy or guys watching us. I like to err on the side of caution if I’m out solo lol

            Anyway, ya, most of these aren’t that big a deal. A lot of it is in how you react when the guy shows up…”strongest frame wins” and “what you feel they feel”, so if the guy shows up and you’re like “OMG SHIT!! DON’T KILL ME!!!” you’re basically confirming to him that you’re a sleazeball. But if you’re like “”What? Really? Shit man, my bad, I had no idea, that ain’t cool” and treat the guy with respect and GTFO instead of turning it into an incident, you can get away with a lot because you’re holding the frame of “this is just a misunderstanding and it’s your girls’ fault, not mine”.

            Now if the guy is just drunk off his ass and looking for a reason to take a swing and his girl gets off on getting him to beat guys up over her etc., there’s not a lot you can do about that, but that’s also why I don’t do heavy groping direct game past midnight when I’m out solo lol gotta be smart.


          • YaReally
            on April 17, 2014 at 6:38 am
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            @theasdgamer
            “I’m uncomfortable with public groping.”

            I actually love it lol I love being the guy and girl where everyone around us is getting annoyed and shouting “get a room already”, it’s fucking funny to me. But I’m uncomfortable with getting my head caved in, so if I’m out solo or I walk into a bar where I can tell there are a lot of cliques here where there’s a good chance the girls are banging someone in the room (VS a meat market where everyone is clearly probably strangers) or I’m at a bar that I want to come to frequently (so I don’t want to end up having to watch my back there all the time because some angry guys know “that’s the bar that asshole goes to let’s jump him in a couple weeks”), I tone it way down and keep everything to verbals and eye-contact.

            “She just pulled my hand to her tit very quickly and hugged it.”

            No biggie, she’s just letting you know she’d fuck you. Are you sure the guy with her was legit her boyfriend, or could he have been just an orbiter or “date for the night” like she wanted to go out dancing and let some safe BFF guy she has no sexual interest in take her out because he begs her to let him take her out every week (VS being an actual long-term serious boyfriend who would get mad)?

            You probably made a smart play in not going for it because why fuck around with risking that, esp if you’re at a bar you want to go to again, but it’s good for your own reference experience to know that what she did was an attempt to signal to you that you were attractive to her. Good for the ego boost lol

            “The guy she was with was pretty blottoed, too. Not sure he even saw it.”

            Two fucked up things that guys who don’t hit on taken girls won’t believe:

            1) Sometimes guys will actually SEE shit go down and then convince themselves it didn’t happen, because accepting that it happened would shake their entire reality up too much. Like he catches his girlfriend making out with you and in his mind flashes their entire history together and the future he planned with her and all the trust he put in her and for the sake of his reality staying together he NEEDS that makeout to not have happened, so you or his girl says “oh it’s okay I’m gay” or “no I was just helping her fix her earring” or something that’s very clearly not true, but gives him some kind of branch to grab onto to stay afloat after the shipwreck and keep his world together, and he grabs for it and goes “oh, okay, ya, that’s what I thought, cool” and logically he knows it happened but his brain completely rewrites reality to keep his world together.

            There’s a great Mythbusters clip where Adam Savage calculates some numbers and then when they get the results and they’re different he’s like “that’s exactly what I predicted” and the other people are like “uhhh no, you said something else” and he so completely can’t believe that he was wrong that he 100% convinces himself that he didn’t say that, that it was someone else (lol wut?) etc. and they show him the clip of him saying it and his brain realizes there’s a cognitive dissonance going on and he just says “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” lol It’s funny shit, but it’s a really good example of a hamster in action. He could take a lie detector test about it and would pass it because he’s so completely convinced himself what “really” happened, to keep his reality where he was right from falling apart. Women do the same thing with sex, and a lot of husbands (moreso than boyfriends because husbands have more to lose) will do the same thing and, in really fucking weird cases, will actually feel BAD for assuming you kissed their girl and like, buy you a beer because they jumped to conclusions, even though the thing they feel bad of assuming you did is something you actually did and they WATCHED you do.

            But this gets into some seriously advanced psychology shit that newbies shouldn’t be fucking around with or relying on. It’s like an advanced magic trick that’s super hard to pull off and not in any way consistent/reliable…it’s good to know that it’s possible, in terms of learning about human psychology, but you don’t base your magic act around it.

            2) A lot of dates will back off and let you take their girl if you’re cool. Boyfriends will usually try to get the girl away from you if they’re smart, or try to get you to go away, and husbands will stick like glue to their wife all night if they can, etc. But a “date” where it’s their 1st or 2nd date, or the guy is some orbiter chode she allowed to take her out tonight because she wanted to go dancing and had no one to go with and he’s been asking her every week etc., or some guy she’s just met that night, those guys will often back off and let you take the girl if you DHV in front of them because their brain thinks “this guy is cooler than me, and she’s an amazing girl so of course they should be together, I would be shooting out of my league but he’s in her league so it’s natural and makes sense that she would like him, I guess I’ll go drown my sorrows in beer while they flirt :( sigh…”

            It’s funny because when you describe this, a lot of guys (including myself) think back to our AFC days when we’ve been in those situations and realize we’ve actually done that ourselves, backed off on a crush because some “cooler” guy was into her and she didn’t instantly reject him so we just let him have her and went home to listen to AFC music about broken hearts and watch romcoms and shit lol

            Again this isn’t something to rely on, but it’s a dynamic that happens and is interesting to see, and it’s part of why I’ll test the waters a little bit just to see “are they legit a couple, or is this just some 1st date or orbiter AFC guy or some dude she’s just met tonight at the bar?” And even then sometimes I’ll back off and let the guy have her if he seems like a sad case (even tho she isn’t into him so he won’t ACTUALLY get her) because I can get other girls so I don’t need her. What can I say, I’m a softie lol



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Nomennovum
on April 15, 2014 at 4:11 pm
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I love the pre-flake texts:

ME: 630 El Bar Dive

HER: OK! See you then, if work doesn’t get crazy.

ME: right

“Right” is universally recognized as sarcasm, and it is sarcasm. (Except when it isn’t?)

I don’t know if it reduces the chance she’ll flake at 6:30, since the pre-flake excuse-building means she’s waiting for something better to come along, but it allows me to do this when the almost inevitable flake comes:

HER: Sorry!!! My boss is making me stay late. Big project! Rain check?

ME: right


  • theasdgamer
    on April 15, 2014 at 5:50 pm
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    Nah, you say, “Works out for me better, too. :)” Now you use the smiley face correctly as in “in your face, I got a hot date.”

    Hopefully, you’ve been working on lining up a replacement.


    • YaReally
      on April 16, 2014 at 11:00 am
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      “Not because he’s banging some wife (though that in and of itself is reprehensible and an attack on men more than women)”

      If he does his job and keeps her satisfied, she won’t look for cock on the side. It’s impossible to seduce a girl who thinks her man is better than me. If his chick is sucking the cock of a reprehensible piece of shit like me, it means she thinks he’s lower value than I am in some way…that should make that guy take a long hard look at himself, ’cause snuffing me out won’t change the fact that his wife thinks he’s low value and she’ll be sucking some other guy off in a bar bathroom after my funeral lol

      “he isn’t smart enough to realize that a lot of men with guns are men with resources and training and that he *will* be tracked down, eventually, and made into a pile of bloody entrails and goo.”

      I’m smart enough to realize that the men who would ACTUALLY go through with any of that are generally the same men who are alpha enough that their wives aren’t looking to get railed by other cock.

      On top of all that, society has shifted to where most people blame the girl for being a cheating whore instead of the guy for just busting a nut where he can. ’cause at the end of the day I’m a single dude just getting pussy that makes itself available to me…SHE’S the one breaking vows and trust and commitment.

      This isn’t 1920 where I’m fooling around with the farmer’s wife while he polishes his shotgun collection downstairs lol This is 2014 where his wife has a profile on Tinder and is out on girls’ nights out looking for dick because her beta schlub husband works a cubicle job that eats away at his soul.

      “And when it does, no amount of “game” or any other well laid, ten paragraph detailed plans will me jack shit. Disappointing.”

      Actually it wouldn’t be that difficult to talk someone out of an angry state. Very few people are going to keep up a level 10 rage all the way through weeks of tracking someone down and the drive to their house and oops they didn’t answer the door this time okay I’ll try again tomorrow etc. They’re more likely to show up with maybe a 7/10 level of anger, if that, and it’s not real hard to talk someone out of that…there’s a reason police don’t just open fire on everyone, a lot of times you can talk someone down.

      Now maybe if they walked in on us banging and there was a gun in arm’s reach, but that’s why I don’t fuck taken girls in their husband’s home lol


    • YaReally
      on April 16, 2014 at 5:40 pm
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      “Sometimes a wife will come after a player and he won’t know that she’s married;”

      If a dude shows up you say “Ah shit sorry man, she told me she was single. I wouldn’t have even talked to her if I knew she had a boyfriend, my girlfriend cheated on me like that a couple years ago. Sorry man, fuckin women these days!” and even turn to the girl and be like “That shit isn’t fuckin’ cool, you shouldn’t disrespect your man like that and be out flirting with guys at the bar. What the fuck is wrong with you??” and basically team up with him against her and throw her the fuck under the bus lol

      Most guys have at least one good buddy who’s GF has cheated on him so a lot of guys put the blame on the girl now.

      And of course you GTFO in all the confusion while she’s backpedaling explaining herself and never talk to her again.

      “or a jealous bf will show up unexpectedly when you’re playing fun and games.”

      Same deal. “What?? You have a BF? What the fuck, you told me you were single! My ex cheated on me like that, that’s not fucking cool. Man, I’m sorry dude, I had no idea.” and GTFO while his focus is on her for a minute.

      “Or some drunk cunt will play grabass or grabtit with you right in front of her man.”

      This is usually easy to spot if you’re sober and you’ve been paying attention to group dynamics but either way I tend to drop a line about “I don’t think your boyfriend would approve of this” to get her to either say “he won’t mind” or “he’s a loser anyway” etc. or to admit “I don’t have a boyfriend” so I have an idea of what I’m dealing with.

      If she tells me she doesn’t have a boyfriend and it turns out he’s right behind her watching us, same situ as earlier “What? Really? Sorry man, I asked if she had a BF and she told me no. Shit, what’s wrong with you woman? Don’t tool your man like that” etc.

      I also don’t do really heavy groping-direct game so it avoids a lot of this because if I’m talking to a girl for a few minutes, even though I haven’t touched her yet it’s usually pretty clear if there’s a guy or guys watching us. I like to err on the side of caution if I’m out solo lol

      Anyway, ya, most of these aren’t that big a deal. A lot of it is in how you react when the guy shows up…”strongest frame wins” and “what you feel they feel”, so if the guy shows up and you’re like “OMG SHIT!! DON’T KILL ME!!!” you’re basically confirming to him that you’re a sleazeball. But if you’re like “”What? Really? Shit man, my bad, I had no idea, that ain’t cool” and treat the guy with respect and GTFO instead of turning it into an incident, you can get away with a lot because you’re holding the frame of “this is just a misunderstanding and it’s your girls’ fault, not mine”.

      Now if the guy is just drunk off his ass and looking for a reason to take a swing and his girl gets off on getting him to beat guys up over her etc., there’s not a lot you can do about that, but that’s also why I don’t do heavy groping direct game past midnight when I’m out solo lol gotta be smart.


    • YaReally
      on April 17, 2014 at 6:38 am
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      @theasdgamer
      “I’m uncomfortable with public groping.”

      I actually love it lol I love being the guy and girl where everyone around us is getting annoyed and shouting “get a room already”, it’s fucking funny to me. But I’m uncomfortable with getting my head caved in, so if I’m out solo or I walk into a bar where I can tell there are a lot of cliques here where there’s a good chance the girls are banging someone in the room (VS a meat market where everyone is clearly probably strangers) or I’m at a bar that I want to come to frequently (so I don’t want to end up having to watch my back there all the time because some angry guys know “that’s the bar that asshole goes to let’s jump him in a couple weeks”), I tone it way down and keep everything to verbals and eye-contact.

      “She just pulled my hand to her tit very quickly and hugged it.”

      No biggie, she’s just letting you know she’d fuck you. Are you sure the guy with her was legit her boyfriend, or could he have been just an orbiter or “date for the night” like she wanted to go out dancing and let some safe BFF guy she has no sexual interest in take her out because he begs her to let him take her out every week (VS being an actual long-term serious boyfriend who would get mad)?

      You probably made a smart play in not going for it because why fuck around with risking that, esp if you’re at a bar you want to go to again, but it’s good for your own reference experience to know that what she did was an attempt to signal to you that you were attractive to her. Good for the ego boost lol

      “The guy she was with was pretty blottoed, too. Not sure he even saw it.”

      Two fucked up things that guys who don’t hit on taken girls won’t believe:

      1) Sometimes guys will actually SEE shit go down and then convince themselves it didn’t happen, because accepting that it happened would shake their entire reality up too much. Like he catches his girlfriend making out with you and in his mind flashes their entire history together and the future he planned with her and all the trust he put in her and for the sake of his reality staying together he NEEDS that makeout to not have happened, so you or his girl says “oh it’s okay I’m gay” or “no I was just helping her fix her earring” or something that’s very clearly not true, but gives him some kind of branch to grab onto to stay afloat after the shipwreck and keep his world together, and he grabs for it and goes “oh, okay, ya, that’s what I thought, cool” and logically he knows it happened but his brain completely rewrites reality to keep his world together.

      There’s a great Mythbusters clip where Adam Savage calculates some numbers and then when they get the results and they’re different he’s like “that’s exactly what I predicted” and the other people are like “uhhh no, you said something else” and he so completely can’t believe that he was wrong that he 100% convinces himself that he didn’t say that, that it was someone else (lol wut?) etc. and they show him the clip of him saying it and his brain realizes there’s a cognitive dissonance going on and he just says “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” lol It’s funny shit, but it’s a really good example of a hamster in action. He could take a lie detector test about it and would pass it because he’s so completely convinced himself what “really” happened, to keep his reality where he was right from falling apart. Women do the same thing with sex, and a lot of husbands (moreso than boyfriends because husbands have more to lose) will do the same thing and, in really fucking weird cases, will actually feel BAD for assuming you kissed their girl and like, buy you a beer because they jumped to conclusions, even though the thing they feel bad of assuming you did is something you actually did and they WATCHED you do.

      But this gets into some seriously advanced psychology shit that newbies shouldn’t be fucking around with or relying on. It’s like an advanced magic trick that’s super hard to pull off and not in any way consistent/reliable…it’s good to know that it’s possible, in terms of learning about human psychology, but you don’t base your magic act around it.

      2) A lot of dates will back off and let you take their girl if you’re cool. Boyfriends will usually try to get the girl away from you if they’re smart, or try to get you to go away, and husbands will stick like glue to their wife all night if they can, etc. But a “date” where it’s their 1st or 2nd date, or the guy is some orbiter chode she allowed to take her out tonight because she wanted to go dancing and had no one to go with and he’s been asking her every week etc., or some guy she’s just met that night, those guys will often back off and let you take the girl if you DHV in front of them because their brain thinks “this guy is cooler than me, and she’s an amazing girl so of course they should be together, I would be shooting out of my league but he’s in her league so it’s natural and makes sense that she would like him, I guess I’ll go drown my sorrows in beer while they flirt :( sigh…”

      It’s funny because when you describe this, a lot of guys (including myself) think back to our AFC days when we’ve been in those situations and realize we’ve actually done that ourselves, backed off on a crush because some “cooler” guy was into her and she didn’t instantly reject him so we just let him have her and went home to listen to AFC music about broken hearts and watch romcoms and shit lol

      Again this isn’t something to rely on, but it’s a dynamic that happens and is interesting to see, and it’s part of why I’ll test the waters a little bit just to see “are they legit a couple, or is this just some 1st date or orbiter AFC guy or some dude she’s just met tonight at the bar?” And even then sometimes I’ll back off and let the guy have her if he seems like a sad case (even tho she isn’t into him so he won’t ACTUALLY get her) because I can get other girls so I don’t need her. What can I say, I’m a softie lol



Gaming Mediocre Girls

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via Heartiste

YaReally
on April 14, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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Just a rant on hotness and internal mindsets since the subject is up for discussion:

A 5-6 wants a guy who treats her like shit because she doesn’t believe she deserves to feel good.

A 7-8 wants a guy who treats other lesser girls like they’re shit because she’s secretly insecure deep down and needs reinforcement that she’s better than other girls so she gets off on a guy who will call a fat girl a fatty.

But a 9-10 wants the guy who makes a random 4 feel like a 10, just because he spreads value wherever he goes, because she’s above the lower-consciousness mindsets lesser girls are trapped in.

1:15 in this video is an example:

If you’re in the mindset of “only the hottest girls are worth my time/energy and deserve my attention or for me to make them feel good about themselves”, you aren’t pulling 9-10s.

For the record I fuck this up myself all the time lol because socializing is a skillset I learned late in life so for me it was “work” VS a natural social butterfly type who’s enjoyed socializing since they were a kid.

I even went thru a solid 2 year plateau where I was disgusted by half the girls at the bar and didn’t want to waste my time talking to them but would have to to wing a buddy or build some social momentum. The irony of course was that I couldn’t fake interest in the ugly girls and they would pick up on that in my subcomms and to preserve their ego they would reject me before I could reject them so then I’d be getting shot down by a girl I didn’t even want to fuck in the first place lol

It was a VERY frustrating time for me but it was an important lesson to learn about genuinely taking an interest in people and giving value rather than just going thru the motions to get what you want and viewing people as “what value will I get from investing my energy in this person, is it worth it for me?”

Now I make a conscious effort to socialize with everyone, young old guy girl ugly hot rich poor high status low status, doesn’t matter, I’ll make them feel good just because I know now that it feels good to spread good vibes. I still fall back into bad habits now and then, especially at the start of the night after I’ve been working all day and I’m not in a fun social mood, but once I’m flowing out in field I’ll talk to anyone and make them feel like a special snowflake just because I want everyone else to have a good night too.

When I’m out with a dude and he’s value-scanning the room and only half paying attention to our conversation and he won’t talk to any girls because the ones around us aren’t “good enough”, I know he’s going home alone or with a 6 at best off cold-approach (cause he won’t build the social momentum to approach hotter girls since he’s so selective) and an 8 at best from his social circle (aka warm approach), because of his mindsets.

Clooney, Pitt, Russell Brand, etc don’t screen out who’s worthy of their charm. Here’s Pitt doing some semi scripted stuff where you can tell he’s improvising parts of it and just treating everyone esp the old ppl like they’re worth his time and you can see he’s just a charismatic guy that any 9-10 watching would go “wow that’s a quality guy”:

On Mystery’s VH1 PUA show he takes the boys to a bingo hall to teach them that they should be able to use their new social skills to make everyone feel good, even people they aren’t trying to fuck.

Step 1 is learning to make people feel special.

Step 2 is enjoying making people feel special.

Step 3 is believing people are special.

A lot of guys here post with very negative judgemental attitudes toward women that give away exactly what kind of success they likely really have when they’re out.

RSDJulien puts it best…to paraphrase: if you went out to a bar tonight and there were NO hot girls there, just ugly gross fat chicks and old women and dudes, and you weren’t allowed to leave so you had to spend 4 hours there: could you still legitimately have fun and make other people have fun with you?

If the answer is no, you’ve got some internal work to do.


  • theasdgamer
    on April 14, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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    There’s also the shy girls HB7′s who feel like 5′s.

    Related: I always try to dance with every woman in the place except those who have passed my rejection limit. These are women who are typically a certain clique. You can be a great dancer, yet if you don’t belong to their clique, they won’t dance with you. Maybe they want some chat first, but that’s not part of dance etiquette. Or maybe it’s a class thing (working girls v. UMC guys). Some women have Oneitis towards their guy when it comes to dancing (I own one of those). Others are very shy and will only dance certain dances that they know very well.

    Dancing for me is training and I don’t typically chat people up very much. I’m willing to teach beginners, including fatties and old folks, and have a good time.

    Everyone has something interesting to say. It may take a little bit of digging to find it.


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 4:48 pm
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      I don’t know anything about dancing so I’m curious:

      “Maybe they want some chat first, but that’s not part of dance etiquette.”

      Is there a reason you can’t break etiquette and create your own new etiquette that you chat/flirt a bit with normal game before taking them to dance? Like my first instinct in reading this is “okay, so go open with something fun and joke around a bit and then take them to dance”…is there a reason this can’t be done in this environment (I’m assuming it’s a bar?)

      “Or maybe it’s a class thing (working girls v. UMC guys).”

      It IS this if this is in a guy’s head when he approaches lol They feel what you feel. If a guy is self-conscious about being whatever a UMC guy is, they’ll pick up on his sub-communications and feel “well he feels awkward about this so it must be awkward”.

      My fav example I saw was a buddy I met through friends who was like, basically a bum, and like, he didn’t even try to look like he fit in in the high-end clubs we were in. His clothes didn’t fit well and I remember his pants were just the worst jeans I’ve ever seen lol, they looked like they were from high school and 2 sizes too large and just like, brutal shit in terms of fashion.

      buuuut he always had a huge grin on his face and when he danced (badly, he wasn’t good at it lol) he gave no fucks about anyone’s opinion and was having the time of his life and he would go up to sets of hot girls who were objectively way out of his league and grin and hold out his hands and take them out onto the dance floor and he did this every fucking night. It was ridiculous to see, but he wasn’t self-conscious at all and the girls just felt what he felt (“you dancing with me is normal and expected”).

      “Everyone has something interesting to say. It may take a little bit of digging to find it.”

      I agree completely. That was one of the exercises I did when I was trying to break out of the “these ugly girls or dudes aren’t worth my time” mindset trap, was to try to find something interesting/good about every person I talked to. It really makes you realize how negatively and unfairly you may have been categorizing people from a distance.


  • thrust
    on April 14, 2014 at 3:40 pm
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    Thanks Ya. Noted for future reference in regards to meeting the LTR’s guyfriends.

    What are your thoughts on Arash Dibazar


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 4:39 pm
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      “What are your thoughts on Arash Dibazar”

      I feel bad for him getting sucked into the peacocking thing so hardcore lol He reminds me of Vince Kelvin where they went too far into building their identity around their peacocking that they’re stuck with it. It’s funny to me because the early community churned out guys like this, but then years down the road we started dropping the peacocking and running game while looking normal. Now you watch RSD in-field videos and the guys are just wearing plain button-down shirts or t-shirts but they’re getting fucktons of attraction because the girls don’t REALLY care if you have face tattoos or black nails or pink streaks in your hair…all of that was just to stand out, but you can stand out through your vibe and social skills.

      I don’t really know much about the guy but this doesn’t paint him in a very good light:

      http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.ca/2012/08/another-example-of-pua-scammer-in-action.html

      ’cause despite what people think about me and my posting lots of RSD (and other popular pickup companies) videos, I’m very much against guys who pressure newbies into paying for bootcamps and makeovers and shit…part of why I post a lot of RSD is that they have literally hundreds of hours of free content up that you can just watch and learn from without paying a dime, so when I read some of the shit in a review like this about high-pressure sales tactics I get a bad taste in my mouth ’cause I know with a strong frame or tits you can convince newbie AFC guys with weak frames to do shit like sign up for a $10,000 makeover (wtf?).

      So I YouTube’d the guy to check out his vibe ’cause you know, maybe he’s a badass and, well, lol:

      1) having a chat with your dance students isn’t an “in-field” demonstration of a “master in action”. brb putting up an in-field video of me making my mom laugh lol c’mon now.

      2) I don’t know what’s gayer, his body language with the flailing arms or the huge shit-eating grin to the camera every time he “gets away” with touching the girls or making them laugh as if to say “SEE? LOOK HOW GOOD I AM!! I touched her head!!! Look they’re laughing!!! My game is amazing!!” It’s fucking painful to watch.

      3) His vibe just comes off as super reactive. The irony is that he’s basically what the original PUA community was trying to create, the “is he gay?” BFF inoffensive indirect “look I’m getting away with touching her and saying these things to her omg!!” metro-peacocky reactive-gaming hyper girl-talk-speaking PUA. But his game stayed in 2004 while the rest of the community advanced. Despite how much I say lol on here and use winky faces and shit in my txts, I come off like fucking Clint Eastwood in person compared to this guy. If you saw me in person my vibe is a lot more Hank Moody than Russell Brand. I don’t peacock or high-five girls or go “OMG like totally!!” or read their palms or bounce around or anything.

      Now I’m not saying he’s not a nice dude, or that he isn’t a good teacher, I don’t fuckin’ know I’ve never met the guy. And I’m not saying he doesn’t get laid or doesn’t get hot girls, I mean he apparently runs a dance studio or something and he’s clearly good at marketing/networking and setting up photo-ops and videos with hot chick-friends social proofing him so I mean just by sheer “being surrounded by hot girls a lot” opportunities I’m sure he does alright for himself.

      But I wouldn’t recommend anyone pay him a fuckin’ dime lol Maybe watch his free content, there’s probably some good stuff in there (tho I assume a lot of it is regurgitated/repackaged stuff from the rest of the community but that doesn’t mean it’s not useful or that you can’t learn from it), but I wouldn’t pay for anything, especially not a bootcamp where judging from his shit-eating “trying to impress newbies” vibe in that “in-field” video he would probably just take you to clubs where he knows all the girls and dazzle you by flirting with his own social circle of girls lol

      I’d say more than anything I feel bad for the guy as a person because he seems to have jumped in with both feet early on and never got to experience that he would probably do just as good as he does now just looking like his normal self but with better internal game, but is now so permanently freakshow-peacocked-looking that he can never really go back to looking normal and experience that he didn’t really need to do any of that shit to himself to get the girls he gets…it’s kind of like Good Will Hunting where Damon is like “you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fuckin’ education you coulda’ got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library.”

      But hey, what do I know? I’m probably drunk right now anyway lol


      • YaReally
        on April 14, 2014 at 7:49 pm
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        lol also just noticed all his pics are the same group of girls:

        This chick is the easiest to recognize:

        http://arashdibazartv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/1488299_10202670153422179_995849732_n.jpg

        The chick on the far right of this pic is easy to spot in all the pics too:
        http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/1ewfK0pkAmI/maxresdefault.jpg

        http://www.imcmartialarts.com/uploads/7/3/2/0/7320835/3785215.jpg?448

        http://arashdibazartv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/971779_10201590504551632_1716182888_n.jpg

        http://seductiveinstinct.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/419720_3090499428639_1894982531_n.jpg

        And the girls in this video are the same girls (watch for that second chick I pointed out at 20 seconds in, and the first chick I pointed out at 2:10 on the far right):

        And I mean the girls at 1:40 in this video look captivated by his flailing arms:

        Until you realize that the girl with the glass on the table in front of her at 1:43 (and 2:02) is the first girl I pointed out up above and this is just his own entourage of paid girls/models/instructors/whatever.

        So I mean, he looks like a great self-promoter, and he’s got a great gimmick going for himself running some kind of chick workout class apparently and is great at hanging out with his own entourage in VIP areas and stuff…and I mean, that can totally convert to laying normal girls because yay social proof and “hey, come with me up to the VIP area and I’ll give you champaign” and all, and he understands game in general…

        But I imagine this whole show is a lot more impressive to newbies who Google him and just see him in a bunch of pics with a bunch of girls and don’t realize it’s the same like 7 girls over and over and that none of them really looks like they’d fuck him…I get all sorts of “harmless BFF” vibe from their interactions. I’m sure they like him and have fun with him and he seems like a fun energetic dude to party with but it would surprise me if any of these girls would actually see him in a sexual “I’m dying to fuck him” light.

        And in one of his interviews he talks about taking his students to party with his girls so they can see the girls are just normal and it “boosts their game”, which is basically what I called up above about him just showing off that he knows hot girls to impress the students and suck them into a membership.

        He really just reminds me of my buddies who are like, photographers or whatever and show me a bunch of pics on their phone of all these hot girls they totally know and it’s like that’s super, she’s really hot, but are you sticking your dick in her? Because if not, I’m not really impressed lol but a newbie who can’t tell the difference between attraction spikes and legit sexual attraction would probably be impressed.

        If he’s going to sell expensive bootcamps and shit, it would help his credibility to release some legit in-field footage where he’s cold-approaching and making out with random girls in venues where he doesn’t rent the VIP booth out for model parties every month, because that’s the way his students presumably will be starting out when they return to wherever they’re from after their state-boosting bootcamp.

        I can’t believe I wasted a whole evening on this lol but maybe some newbie considering dropping a bunch of $ on his bootcamp will stumble across this and be able to make a less-dazzled decision.


  • burke
    on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 pm
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    as an addendum to what yareally said, this is maybe even more valuable to guys just starting out. if you’re really truly terrified out there, and you just can’t get rolling forward on an evening or a getting into any groups at a bar, then being friendly and joking with all the men and women you’re not interested in will loosen you up and give you your ‘safe set’ where you can fall back if you explode in a set later. it’ll help you feel at home and help your approaches and your whole attitude. plus who knows, you might hook up with someone just for fun, and then when you do get better, it’ll serve you at the top end too (based on yeareally’s experience, not mine. i’ll admit limited 9-10 experience, but there have been a few).


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 4:52 pm
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      “if you’re really truly terrified out there, and you just can’t get rolling forward on an evening or a getting into any groups at a bar, then being friendly and joking with all the men and women you’re not interested in will loosen you up and give you your ‘safe set’ where you can fall back if you explode in a set later.”

      100% agree and highly recommend this. I do this all the time, ESPECIALLY on solo nights but even out with buddies. Just say anything, hell, ask where the bathroom is or what time it is, fucking anything to get some momentum and teach your brain “when I talk to people I don’t get killed so it’s okay to talk to people”.

      Also a lot of the time those people are nervous and shy too. One of my fav things to do is to chat up the dudes standing on death row that I can tell WANT to be social but don’t know how because they’re scared or inside their heads…I’ll cheers these guys as a hot chick walks past (“jesus, cheers to that chick’s ass, that was amazing lol”) and joke around and get them to loosen up, which in turn loosens me up, and now I have a new bar buddy for the night and a home base to come chill with if I’m feeling out of it later, and I can throw some girls at him and give him an awesome night and it’s just win/win for everyone.


  • walawala
    on April 14, 2014 at 6:02 pm
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    @YaReally the one reason I game 5′s and 6′s in my social circle is 1) practice and 2) depending on who it is…to build orbiters 3) build competitive anxiety.

    My crazy hot ex gf had previously said she was jealous that I would dance and chat with other girls and not her.

    So here was a smoking hot babe wondering why I was having such a good time with women below her in SMV.

    It hadn’t occurred to me then but in light of this post and what has happened it was a strategic move on my part not a tactical one.

    Now I deliberately game the “cuties” because it’s great practice and they beam. Then I can get them to do stuff for my events and projects: help set up, bake stuff, work on the door etc etc.

    The question hotties would ask is why are these girls doing this????

    Then your own value goes up. As long as you don’t look like you’re banging them or dumpster diving, this can work to build up your SMV.by making you appear sociable, fun, attractive.

    From a self-serving perspective, the more comfortable you get with girls….the better you get at gaming the hot ones.

    It’s a bit like the driving range…doesn’t matter where you hit the ball as long as you hit it…when you get on the course, then it matters but how you’ve practiced on the driving range will determine your handicap.


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 6:09 pm
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      “As long as you don’t look like you’re banging them or dumpster diving, this can work to build up your SMV.by making you appear sociable, fun, attractive.”

      Right, I probably should’ve mentioned: you don’t have to FUCK these undesirable girls lol Or make people think you are or would. You just make them feel good and move on. If you’re actually like raunchy making out with a 4 in the bar you’re going to drop your value with the hot girls. But you can joke around and tease and spike their Buying Temperature and make them giggle and love you…the hotter girls KNOW you wouldn’t REALLY fuck that girl because to her you’re clearly too high value to really MEAN it even if the 4 thinks you might (like no one sees that Alfie clip and thinks he’s actually trying to bang the old chick). So if you go and take it too far then that hotter girl is like “oh, i guess he’s NOT that high value, I thought he was just fucking around but he actually thinks he only deserves her.”


  • Zombie Shane
    on April 15, 2014 at 5:30 am
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    YR, everthing you’ve described comes naturally to me.

    That’s the easy stuff.

    What I can’t do is the fullblown sociopath shit – going completely nihilistic and breaking her soul and then dumping her and never again giving her so much as another single thought.

    I always feel sorry for my bitches.

    [Cue the h8ters - "Blah blah blah... but they WANT to be treated like that... blah blah blah..."]


    • YaReally
      on April 15, 2014 at 7:01 am
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      “What I can’t do is the fullblown sociopath shit – going completely nihilistic and breaking her soul and then dumping her and never again giving her so much as another single thought.”

      …sooooo don’t do that? Not sure what response you expected lol “c’mon bro it’s super cool to crush their soul fuck these bitches lololllz!!!”? Leave em better than you found em. No soul-destroying is necessary.


      • Amy
        on April 15, 2014 at 8:31 am
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        I find it hard to believe none of these girls you sleep with on a regular basis get attached. I’m not blaming you for it, it’s just a fact. I’d get attached to anyone I’m having sex with on a regular basis. For most girls this just happens whether you like it or not.


        • YaReally
          on April 15, 2014 at 3:05 pm
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          “I find it hard to believe none of these girls you sleep with on a regular basis get attached.”

          They often do, because I’m awesome and a good lay and like to cuddle after lol

          But I take every step possible to 1) make that happen as slowly as possible and ideally not happen at all, 2) snuff it out as soon as I notice the first inklings of it rather than soak up the validation of getting laid and let them develop full blown hardcore feelings for me.

          It’s pretty much inevitable (except with specific types of girls and specific situations) because that’s just the nature of sex, oxytocin and all that shit…but I do what I can to avoid it.

          If you fuck a girl daily, and spend time cuddling and shit with her and like, go out for a movie and have some dates where you don’t have sex etc., esp if she isn’t seeing anyone else and she knows you aren’t seeing anyone else and you let her think you’d be a good provider etc., she’s going to fall in love FAST. Like within a week or two of this shit.

          But if you fuck her every week or two at the most, and when you hang out it’s purely about sex, you grab her when you open your door and pin her against the wall and start escalating to sex, and after some basic cuddling after the bang or after a next-morning bang, you send her home instead of going to breakfast and hanging out and shit, and she knows you had another girl there the night before and she thinks you make fuck all for money and hate children and marriage and relationships etc. and maybe she even has a boyfriend or husband, and the time she tried to come over and just cuddle and watch movies and NOT have sex you called her a cab to send her home instead of letting her hang out and not bang, etc. you can slow things up considerably. It could take her anywhere from 3-6 months to get to the same point the other girl got to.

          And if the first time she suggests “how about we go for dinner tonight first?” or “let’s go watch a movie together” or “I want you to meet my friends, I’ve told them all about you”, you end things (or dramatically reduce how often you see her, down to like once a month…or take a few months break, etc.), then you’re out of there before she gets a chance to fall too hard for you and you do minimal damage to her (VS cutting her off down the road when she’s madly in love).

          The reason most guys can’t do this is because:

          1) it takes self-control, because you have to actively turn down sex (since she’ll want to fuck multiple times a week and will make it VERY convincing to do so) and be able to voluntarily give up a source of sex…most guys can’t do this and end up caving on the “rules” and letting her get attached because they want the sex too bad to tell her no when she wants to come over at 2am on a Saturday night in lingerie and blow them.

          2) it requires an abundance mentality, and most guys live in scarcity. They get a fuckbuddy or two and then stop going out and their game atrophies and they get complacent with the easy sex of having FBs and they won’t turn down the sex because they don’t have other options and view meeting new girls as “work”, so they take the easy route and just let the girl come over or go on the date with her that she wants or hang out with her friends a few times so they can get laid and boom, the girl ends up in love and they end up hurting her.

          You don’t have to cut them out in an asshole way, you can just say “sorry babe I’m super busy with work right now” or “my ex and I have been talking and we’re going to give things another try, sorry babe” etc. and let them down easy, it’s no big deal when they’re still at the first stage or two of falling for you. Sometimes all they need is a few months break from you to let the feelings die down and then you can bang again, or sometimes you never get to hang out with them again, it’s a case by case thing.

          The reason this description generally sounds unappealing to girls is because it’s taking control of the relationship away from them and not allowing them to get what they want when they want it lol Girls aren’t used to guys being able to say “no, you can’t come over tonight. Once a week is the rule. We’ll hang out next thursday.” and ignore them throwing their vagina at them because they’re used to getting their way.

          But if a guy can actually develop enough of an abundance mentality to follow the rules, he can have fairly long casual fuckbuddy relationships where the girl doesn’t get hurt and often isn’t even banging other guys (this is where the being a good lay part comes in lol if you’re a shitty lay then ya she’ll go fuck other guys, but if you’re good at it she’d rather wait for your cock than a lamer one and having to wait a week or two isn’t that bad for her esp if you sext her now and then and keep her turned on thinking about the next bang).

          My average FB lasts about 3 months before I have to cut things off, but most of those girls I can still txt a year later and they’ll happily meet up for some no-strings fun because we had a good time together and I made sure not to let them get too attached to me. My longest bang-every-week casual fuckbuddy was 8 months and neither of us got attached because I had a GF and she was engaged and we only really ended things because her wedding was approaching and she started feeling guilty because she decided she should try to be a good wife.


      • Zombie Shane
        on April 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm
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        Two points:

        1) Even before I became a natalist, I just couldn’t stand it when the poor bitches would start crying on me. It got so bad that I took to messing around only with the very most aggressive bitches because I could always tell myself that she – the aggressive one – had initiated the relationship in the first place, so that when it came time for me to move on, she had only herself to blame.

        Because I just couldn’t stand the thought of breaking a nice girl’s heart.

        2) Not to get all bible thumper on you, but now that I FINALLY understand why God gave us our sexuality, I think back on all the chicks I dated, and for a good half or three quarters of them, I now realize [in retrospect] that I would have been more than happy to have had kids with them. And then I get to wondering how many of them grew old, and lonely, and became spinsters, with barren wombs, living all alone in their apartments filled with cats.

        When instead their apartments could have been filled with human children.

        Moving forward, I’ll only be collecting notches on the bedpost as SISTER WIVES bearing my children.

        My days of purposeless fornication are over.

        At least I hope so.

        From now on, I want all my bitches’ bellies getting bloated.


        • YaReally
          on April 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm
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          “I just couldn’t stand it when the poor bitches would start crying on me”

          They don’t cry on me. Why? You’ll see when my reply to Amy gets out of moderation…you’re one of the guys I’m describing when I describe how guys fuck up the “rules” and end up hurting the girls. You let them get attached and let that attachment develop too deep, I cut them off sooner so they don’t get hurt like that. It’s not easy, but I don’t like making girls cry so I follow the rules lol

          “From now on, I want all my bitches’ bellies getting bloated.”

          Shit, want to send me some of your millions of dollars you’ll be spending on child support for your army of baby Shanes? Thx


    • Scray
      on April 15, 2014 at 11:23 am
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      ‘That’s the easy stuff.’

      Is it, Shane? Is it, really?

      I don’t think this stuff is easy in the proper context — girls who are smoking hot. I’m sure it comes naturally to you with girls who are beneath you looks-wise, tho.

      ‘What I can’t do is the fullblown sociopath shit ‘

      You don’t have to do that stuff. In fact, you don’t have to be mean at all.


      • YaReally
        on April 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm
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        “You don’t have to do that stuff. In fact, you don’t have to be mean at all.”
        <3



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YaReally
on April 14, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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Just a rant on hotness and internal mindsets since the subject is up for discussion:

A 5-6 wants a guy who treats her like shit because she doesn’t believe she deserves to feel good.

A 7-8 wants a guy who treats other lesser girls like they’re shit because she’s secretly insecure deep down and needs reinforcement that she’s better than other girls so she gets off on a guy who will call a fat girl a fatty.

But a 9-10 wants the guy who makes a random 4 feel like a 10, just because he spreads value wherever he goes, because she’s above the lower-consciousness mindsets lesser girls are trapped in.

1:15 in this video is an example:

If you’re in the mindset of “only the hottest girls are worth my time/energy and deserve my attention or for me to make them feel good about themselves”, you aren’t pulling 9-10s.

For the record I fuck this up myself all the time lol because socializing is a skillset I learned late in life so for me it was “work” VS a natural social butterfly type who’s enjoyed socializing since they were a kid.

I even went thru a solid 2 year plateau where I was disgusted by half the girls at the bar and didn’t want to waste my time talking to them but would have to to wing a buddy or build some social momentum. The irony of course was that I couldn’t fake interest in the ugly girls and they would pick up on that in my subcomms and to preserve their ego they would reject me before I could reject them so then I’d be getting shot down by a girl I didn’t even want to fuck in the first place lol

It was a VERY frustrating time for me but it was an important lesson to learn about genuinely taking an interest in people and giving value rather than just going thru the motions to get what you want and viewing people as “what value will I get from investing my energy in this person, is it worth it for me?”

Now I make a conscious effort to socialize with everyone, young old guy girl ugly hot rich poor high status low status, doesn’t matter, I’ll make them feel good just because I know now that it feels good to spread good vibes. I still fall back into bad habits now and then, especially at the start of the night after I’ve been working all day and I’m not in a fun social mood, but once I’m flowing out in field I’ll talk to anyone and make them feel like a special snowflake just because I want everyone else to have a good night too.

When I’m out with a dude and he’s value-scanning the room and only half paying attention to our conversation and he won’t talk to any girls because the ones around us aren’t “good enough”, I know he’s going home alone or with a 6 at best off cold-approach (cause he won’t build the social momentum to approach hotter girls since he’s so selective) and an 8 at best from his social circle (aka warm approach), because of his mindsets.

Clooney, Pitt, Russell Brand, etc don’t screen out who’s worthy of their charm. Here’s Pitt doing some semi scripted stuff where you can tell he’s improvising parts of it and just treating everyone esp the old ppl like they’re worth his time and you can see he’s just a charismatic guy that any 9-10 watching would go “wow that’s a quality guy”:

On Mystery’s VH1 PUA show he takes the boys to a bingo hall to teach them that they should be able to use their new social skills to make everyone feel good, even people they aren’t trying to fuck.

Step 1 is learning to make people feel special.

Step 2 is enjoying making people feel special.

Step 3 is believing people are special.

A lot of guys here post with very negative judgemental attitudes toward women that give away exactly what kind of success they likely really have when they’re out.

RSDJulien puts it best…to paraphrase: if you went out to a bar tonight and there were NO hot girls there, just ugly gross fat chicks and old women and dudes, and you weren’t allowed to leave so you had to spend 4 hours there: could you still legitimately have fun and make other people have fun with you?

If the answer is no, you’ve got some internal work to do.


  • theasdgamer
    on April 14, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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    There’s also the shy girls HB7’s who feel like 5’s.

    Related: I always try to dance with every woman in the place except those who have passed my rejection limit. These are women who are typically a certain clique. You can be a great dancer, yet if you don’t belong to their clique, they won’t dance with you. Maybe they want some chat first, but that’s not part of dance etiquette. Or maybe it’s a class thing (working girls v. UMC guys). Some women have Oneitis towards their guy when it comes to dancing (I own one of those). Others are very shy and will only dance certain dances that they know very well.

    Dancing for me is training and I don’t typically chat people up very much. I’m willing to teach beginners, including fatties and old folks, and have a good time.

    Everyone has something interesting to say. It may take a little bit of digging to find it.


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 4:48 pm
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      I don’t know anything about dancing so I’m curious:

      “Maybe they want some chat first, but that’s not part of dance etiquette.”

      Is there a reason you can’t break etiquette and create your own new etiquette that you chat/flirt a bit with normal game before taking them to dance? Like my first instinct in reading this is “okay, so go open with something fun and joke around a bit and then take them to dance”…is there a reason this can’t be done in this environment (I’m assuming it’s a bar?)

      “Or maybe it’s a class thing (working girls v. UMC guys).”

      It IS this if this is in a guy’s head when he approaches lol They feel what you feel. If a guy is self-conscious about being whatever a UMC guy is, they’ll pick up on his sub-communications and feel “well he feels awkward about this so it must be awkward”.

      My fav example I saw was a buddy I met through friends who was like, basically a bum, and like, he didn’t even try to look like he fit in in the high-end clubs we were in. His clothes didn’t fit well and I remember his pants were just the worst jeans I’ve ever seen lol, they looked like they were from high school and 2 sizes too large and just like, brutal shit in terms of fashion.

      buuuut he always had a huge grin on his face and when he danced (badly, he wasn’t good at it lol) he gave no fucks about anyone’s opinion and was having the time of his life and he would go up to sets of hot girls who were objectively way out of his league and grin and hold out his hands and take them out onto the dance floor and he did this every fucking night. It was ridiculous to see, but he wasn’t self-conscious at all and the girls just felt what he felt (“you dancing with me is normal and expected”).

      “Everyone has something interesting to say. It may take a little bit of digging to find it.”

      I agree completely. That was one of the exercises I did when I was trying to break out of the “these ugly girls or dudes aren’t worth my time” mindset trap, was to try to find something interesting/good about every person I talked to. It really makes you realize how negatively and unfairly you may have been categorizing people from a distance.


  • thrust
    on April 14, 2014 at 3:40 pm
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    Thanks Ya. Noted for future reference in regards to meeting the LTR’s guyfriends.

    What are your thoughts on Arash Dibazar


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 4:39 pm
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      “What are your thoughts on Arash Dibazar”

      I feel bad for him getting sucked into the peacocking thing so hardcore lol He reminds me of Vince Kelvin where they went too far into building their identity around their peacocking that they’re stuck with it. It’s funny to me because the early community churned out guys like this, but then years down the road we started dropping the peacocking and running game while looking normal. Now you watch RSD in-field videos and the guys are just wearing plain button-down shirts or t-shirts but they’re getting fucktons of attraction because the girls don’t REALLY care if you have face tattoos or black nails or pink streaks in your hair…all of that was just to stand out, but you can stand out through your vibe and social skills.

      I don’t really know much about the guy but this doesn’t paint him in a very good light:

      http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.ca/2012/08/another-example-of-pua-scammer-in-action.html

      ’cause despite what people think about me and my posting lots of RSD (and other popular pickup companies) videos, I’m very much against guys who pressure newbies into paying for bootcamps and makeovers and shit…part of why I post a lot of RSD is that they have literally hundreds of hours of free content up that you can just watch and learn from without paying a dime, so when I read some of the shit in a review like this about high-pressure sales tactics I get a bad taste in my mouth ’cause I know with a strong frame or tits you can convince newbie AFC guys with weak frames to do shit like sign up for a $10,000 makeover (wtf?).

      So I YouTube’d the guy to check out his vibe ’cause you know, maybe he’s a badass and, well, lol:

      1) having a chat with your dance students isn’t an “in-field” demonstration of a “master in action”. brb putting up an in-field video of me making my mom laugh lol c’mon now.

      2) I don’t know what’s gayer, his body language with the flailing arms or the huge shit-eating grin to the camera every time he “gets away” with touching the girls or making them laugh as if to say “SEE? LOOK HOW GOOD I AM!! I touched her head!!! Look they’re laughing!!! My game is amazing!!” It’s fucking painful to watch.

      3) His vibe just comes off as super reactive. The irony is that he’s basically what the original PUA community was trying to create, the “is he gay?” BFF inoffensive indirect “look I’m getting away with touching her and saying these things to her omg!!” metro-peacocky reactive-gaming hyper girl-talk-speaking PUA. But his game stayed in 2004 while the rest of the community advanced. Despite how much I say lol on here and use winky faces and shit in my txts, I come off like fucking Clint Eastwood in person compared to this guy. If you saw me in person my vibe is a lot more Hank Moody than Russell Brand. I don’t peacock or high-five girls or go “OMG like totally!!” or read their palms or bounce around or anything.

      Now I’m not saying he’s not a nice dude, or that he isn’t a good teacher, I don’t fuckin’ know I’ve never met the guy. And I’m not saying he doesn’t get laid or doesn’t get hot girls, I mean he apparently runs a dance studio or something and he’s clearly good at marketing/networking and setting up photo-ops and videos with hot chick-friends social proofing him so I mean just by sheer “being surrounded by hot girls a lot” opportunities I’m sure he does alright for himself.

      But I wouldn’t recommend anyone pay him a fuckin’ dime lol Maybe watch his free content, there’s probably some good stuff in there (tho I assume a lot of it is regurgitated/repackaged stuff from the rest of the community but that doesn’t mean it’s not useful or that you can’t learn from it), but I wouldn’t pay for anything, especially not a bootcamp where judging from his shit-eating “trying to impress newbies” vibe in that “in-field” video he would probably just take you to clubs where he knows all the girls and dazzle you by flirting with his own social circle of girls lol

      I’d say more than anything I feel bad for the guy as a person because he seems to have jumped in with both feet early on and never got to experience that he would probably do just as good as he does now just looking like his normal self but with better internal game, but is now so permanently freakshow-peacocked-looking that he can never really go back to looking normal and experience that he didn’t really need to do any of that shit to himself to get the girls he gets…it’s kind of like Good Will Hunting where Damon is like “you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fuckin’ education you coulda’ got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library.”

      But hey, what do I know? I’m probably drunk right now anyway lol


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 7:49 pm
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      lol also just noticed all his pics are the same group of girls:

      This chick is the easiest to recognize:

      The chick on the far right of this pic is easy to spot in all the pics too:

      http://www.imcmartialarts.com/uploads/7/3/2/0/7320835/3785215.jpg?448

      And the girls in this video are the same girls (watch for that second chick I pointed out at 20 seconds in, and the first chick I pointed out at 2:10 on the far right):

      And I mean the girls at 1:40 in this video look captivated by his flailing arms:

      Until you realize that the girl with the glass on the table in front of her at 1:43 (and 2:02) is the first girl I pointed out up above and this is just his own entourage of paid girls/models/instructors/whatever.

      So I mean, he looks like a great self-promoter, and he’s got a great gimmick going for himself running some kind of chick workout class apparently and is great at hanging out with his own entourage in VIP areas and stuff…and I mean, that can totally convert to laying normal girls because yay social proof and “hey, come with me up to the VIP area and I’ll give you champaign” and all, and he understands game in general…

      But I imagine this whole show is a lot more impressive to newbies who Google him and just see him in a bunch of pics with a bunch of girls and don’t realize it’s the same like 7 girls over and over and that none of them really looks like they’d fuck him…I get all sorts of “harmless BFF” vibe from their interactions. I’m sure they like him and have fun with him and he seems like a fun energetic dude to party with but it would surprise me if any of these girls would actually see him in a sexual “I’m dying to fuck him” light.

      And in one of his interviews he talks about taking his students to party with his girls so they can see the girls are just normal and it “boosts their game”, which is basically what I called up above about him just showing off that he knows hot girls to impress the students and suck them into a membership.

      He really just reminds me of my buddies who are like, photographers or whatever and show me a bunch of pics on their phone of all these hot girls they totally know and it’s like that’s super, she’s really hot, but are you sticking your dick in her? Because if not, I’m not really impressed lol but a newbie who can’t tell the difference between attraction spikes and legit sexual attraction would probably be impressed.

      If he’s going to sell expensive bootcamps and shit, it would help his credibility to release some legit in-field footage where he’s cold-approaching and making out with random girls in venues where he doesn’t rent the VIP booth out for model parties every month, because that’s the way his students presumably will be starting out when they return to wherever they’re from after their state-boosting bootcamp.

      I can’t believe I wasted a whole evening on this lol but maybe some newbie considering dropping a bunch of $ on his bootcamp will stumble across this and be able to make a less-dazzled decision.


  • burke
    on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 pm
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    as an addendum to what yareally said, this is maybe even more valuable to guys just starting out. if you’re really truly terrified out there, and you just can’t get rolling forward on an evening or a getting into any groups at a bar, then being friendly and joking with all the men and women you’re not interested in will loosen you up and give you your ‘safe set’ where you can fall back if you explode in a set later. it’ll help you feel at home and help your approaches and your whole attitude. plus who knows, you might hook up with someone just for fun, and then when you do get better, it’ll serve you at the top end too (based on yeareally’s experience, not mine. i’ll admit limited 9-10 experience, but there have been a few).


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 4:52 pm
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      “if you’re really truly terrified out there, and you just can’t get rolling forward on an evening or a getting into any groups at a bar, then being friendly and joking with all the men and women you’re not interested in will loosen you up and give you your ‘safe set’ where you can fall back if you explode in a set later.”

      100% agree and highly recommend this. I do this all the time, ESPECIALLY on solo nights but even out with buddies. Just say anything, hell, ask where the bathroom is or what time it is, fucking anything to get some momentum and teach your brain “when I talk to people I don’t get killed so it’s okay to talk to people”.

      Also a lot of the time those people are nervous and shy too. One of my fav things to do is to chat up the dudes standing on death row that I can tell WANT to be social but don’t know how because they’re scared or inside their heads…I’ll cheers these guys as a hot chick walks past (“jesus, cheers to that chick’s ass, that was amazing lol”) and joke around and get them to loosen up, which in turn loosens me up, and now I have a new bar buddy for the night and a home base to come chill with if I’m feeling out of it later, and I can throw some girls at him and give him an awesome night and it’s just win/win for everyone.


  • walawala
    on April 14, 2014 at 6:02 pm
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    @YaReally the one reason I game 5’s and 6’s in my social circle is 1) practice and 2) depending on who it is…to build orbiters 3) build competitive anxiety.

    My crazy hot ex gf had previously said she was jealous that I would dance and chat with other girls and not her.

    So here was a smoking hot babe wondering why I was having such a good time with women below her in SMV.

    It hadn’t occurred to me then but in light of this post and what has happened it was a strategic move on my part not a tactical one.

    Now I deliberately game the “cuties” because it’s great practice and they beam. Then I can get them to do stuff for my events and projects: help set up, bake stuff, work on the door etc etc.

    The question hotties would ask is why are these girls doing this????

    Then your own value goes up. As long as you don’t look like you’re banging them or dumpster diving, this can work to build up your SMV.by making you appear sociable, fun, attractive.

    From a self-serving perspective, the more comfortable you get with girls….the better you get at gaming the hot ones.

    It’s a bit like the driving range…doesn’t matter where you hit the ball as long as you hit it…when you get on the course, then it matters but how you’ve practiced on the driving range will determine your handicap.


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 6:09 pm
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      “As long as you don’t look like you’re banging them or dumpster diving, this can work to build up your SMV.by making you appear sociable, fun, attractive.”

      Right, I probably should’ve mentioned: you don’t have to FUCK these undesirable girls lol Or make people think you are or would. You just make them feel good and move on. If you’re actually like raunchy making out with a 4 in the bar you’re going to drop your value with the hot girls. But you can joke around and tease and spike their Buying Temperature and make them giggle and love you…the hotter girls KNOW you wouldn’t REALLY fuck that girl because to her you’re clearly too high value to really MEAN it even if the 4 thinks you might (like no one sees that Alfie clip and thinks he’s actually trying to bang the old chick). So if you go and take it too far then that hotter girl is like “oh, i guess he’s NOT that high value, I thought he was just fucking around but he actually thinks he only deserves her.”


  • Zombie Shane
    on April 15, 2014 at 5:30 am
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    YR, everthing you’ve described comes naturally to me.

    That’s the easy stuff.

    What I can’t do is the fullblown sociopath shit – going completely nihilistic and breaking her soul and then dumping her and never again giving her so much as another single thought.

    I always feel sorry for my bitches.

    [Cue the h8ters – “Blah blah blah… but they WANT to be treated like that… blah blah blah…”]


    • YaReally
      on April 15, 2014 at 7:01 am
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      “What I can’t do is the fullblown sociopath shit – going completely nihilistic and breaking her soul and then dumping her and never again giving her so much as another single thought.”

      …sooooo don’t do that? Not sure what response you expected lol “c’mon bro it’s super cool to crush their soul fuck these bitches lololllz!!!”? Leave em better than you found em. No soul-destroying is necessary.


    • YaReally
      on April 15, 2014 at 3:05 pm
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      “I find it hard to believe none of these girls you sleep with on a regular basis get attached.”

      They often do, because I’m awesome and a good lay and like to cuddle after lol

      But I take every step possible to 1) make that happen as slowly as possible and ideally not happen at all, 2) snuff it out as soon as I notice the first inklings of it rather than soak up the validation of getting laid and let them develop full blown hardcore feelings for me.

      It’s pretty much inevitable (except with specific types of girls and specific situations) because that’s just the nature of sex, oxytocin and all that shit…but I do what I can to avoid it.

      If you fuck a girl daily, and spend time cuddling and shit with her and like, go out for a movie and have some dates where you don’t have sex etc., esp if she isn’t seeing anyone else and she knows you aren’t seeing anyone else and you let her think you’d be a good provider etc., she’s going to fall in love FAST. Like within a week or two of this shit.

      But if you fuck her every week or two at the most, and when you hang out it’s purely about sex, you grab her when you open your door and pin her against the wall and start escalating to sex, and after some basic cuddling after the bang or after a next-morning bang, you send her home instead of going to breakfast and hanging out and shit, and she knows you had another girl there the night before and she thinks you make fuck all for money and hate children and marriage and relationships etc. and maybe she even has a boyfriend or husband, and the time she tried to come over and just cuddle and watch movies and NOT have sex you called her a cab to send her home instead of letting her hang out and not bang, etc. you can slow things up considerably. It could take her anywhere from 3-6 months to get to the same point the other girl got to.

      And if the first time she suggests “how about we go for dinner tonight first?” or “let’s go watch a movie together” or “I want you to meet my friends, I’ve told them all about you”, you end things (or dramatically reduce how often you see her, down to like once a month…or take a few months break, etc.), then you’re out of there before she gets a chance to fall too hard for you and you do minimal damage to her (VS cutting her off down the road when she’s madly in love).

      The reason most guys can’t do this is because:

      1) it takes self-control, because you have to actively turn down sex (since she’ll want to fuck multiple times a week and will make it VERY convincing to do so) and be able to voluntarily give up a source of sex…most guys can’t do this and end up caving on the “rules” and letting her get attached because they want the sex too bad to tell her no when she wants to come over at 2am on a Saturday night in lingerie and blow them.

      2) it requires an abundance mentality, and most guys live in scarcity. They get a fuckbuddy or two and then stop going out and their game atrophies and they get complacent with the easy sex of having FBs and they won’t turn down the sex because they don’t have other options and view meeting new girls as “work”, so they take the easy route and just let the girl come over or go on the date with her that she wants or hang out with her friends a few times so they can get laid and boom, the girl ends up in love and they end up hurting her.

      You don’t have to cut them out in an asshole way, you can just say “sorry babe I’m super busy with work right now” or “my ex and I have been talking and we’re going to give things another try, sorry babe” etc. and let them down easy, it’s no big deal when they’re still at the first stage or two of falling for you. Sometimes all they need is a few months break from you to let the feelings die down and then you can bang again, or sometimes you never get to hang out with them again, it’s a case by case thing.

      The reason this description generally sounds unappealing to girls is because it’s taking control of the relationship away from them and not allowing them to get what they want when they want it lol Girls aren’t used to guys being able to say “no, you can’t come over tonight. Once a week is the rule. We’ll hang out next thursday.” and ignore them throwing their vagina at them because they’re used to getting their way.

      But if a guy can actually develop enough of an abundance mentality to follow the rules, he can have fairly long casual fuckbuddy relationships where the girl doesn’t get hurt and often isn’t even banging other guys (this is where the being a good lay part comes in lol if you’re a shitty lay then ya she’ll go fuck other guys, but if you’re good at it she’d rather wait for your cock than a lamer one and having to wait a week or two isn’t that bad for her esp if you sext her now and then and keep her turned on thinking about the next bang).

      My average FB lasts about 3 months before I have to cut things off, but most of those girls I can still txt a year later and they’ll happily meet up for some no-strings fun because we had a good time together and I made sure not to let them get too attached to me. My longest bang-every-week casual fuckbuddy was 8 months and neither of us got attached because I had a GF and she was engaged and we only really ended things because her wedding was approaching and she started feeling guilty because she decided she should try to be a good wife.


    • YaReally
      on April 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm
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      “I just couldn’t stand it when the poor bitches would start crying on me”

      They don’t cry on me. Why? You’ll see when my reply to Amy gets out of moderation…you’re one of the guys I’m describing when I describe how guys fuck up the “rules” and end up hurting the girls. You let them get attached and let that attachment develop too deep, I cut them off sooner so they don’t get hurt like that. It’s not easy, but I don’t like making girls cry so I follow the rules lol

      “From now on, I want all my bitches’ bellies getting bloated.”

      Shit, want to send me some of your millions of dollars you’ll be spending on child support for your army of baby Shanes? Thx


    • YaReally
      on April 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm
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      “You don’t have to do that stuff. In fact, you don’t have to be mean at all.”
      <3



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walawala
on April 12, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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What is forgotten is that girls LIKE orbiters…it’s easy to get sucked into that endless Friendzone mentality…chasing the unicorn.

You see a girl with a bunch of guys and think…wow, one of those guys MUST be fucking her…but it’s rarely the case.

The last girl I was banging was laughing about the various dudes who used to hit on her: one particular case was a guy who bought her a glass of red wine which she proceeded to accidentally spill all over his white shirt.

instead of gaming her, asking her to pay the bill, the guy went home, changed and came back…the asked her to come over.

We both laughed at that…then I banged her again.


  • Junior
    on April 13, 2014 at 8:26 pm
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    @walawala, your reports are superb. It’s encouraging for the rest of us to read what you have to say. For the older guys playing at home, you’re a more ‘mature’ guy yourself – are you finding any age limits to the girls you’re gaming? i’d say it would make a lot of older guys pretty uneasy to know what they could be capable of if they were willing to put their ego on the line.


    • walawala
      on April 13, 2014 at 9:34 pm
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      @Junior. Age limits? No. Types of girls…yes. I have banged a 25 year old nurse, other girls in their late 20′s. But it has to be girls who WANT a more mature guy and show it. Girls will make it clear through IOI’s. know what to look for and you know whether you’re in.

      My ex gf was 34 when we started going out, now 35. The other girl I was banging for 4 months and then stopped was 34.

      They may joke around about age, but if you’re well-dressed, professional and keep a more dominant frame with amused mastery I find that girls in their late 20′s, early 30′s are not hung up on age.

      I’ve set an age limit of 34 now. I’m going to be late 40′s this year.

      Some things I’ve done: refitted all my clothes, they’re tight, I look better.

      I’ve started working on cool prominent projects that I lead in my social circle: concerts, shows…that also adds a cool factor and dominance.

      I’ve consciously assessed why I allowed my ex gf to rope me in—where did that place of neediness come from? My inner game is now back to where I’m more comfortable.

      I’m also adopting that “abundance mentality” written about recently. This is again based around the fall-out from the crazy girl…Why invest in hot girls who are crazy? I can do better than her…I’m focused more on what I want rather than worrying about my age.

      I also use every interaction with women to practice game..teasing every girl I meet helps me to adopt that amuse mastery.

      The more conditioned you get to positive reactions, the less self-conscious you’ll become.

      When I get asked my age by these girls i’ll say: “I’m 60…” they’ll laugh.

      When I get pushed I say: “Do you want a boy or a man?” This reframes things and sexualizes them.

      I will say guess and 48. But they usually don’t care.

      Some younger ones do, but they turn out to be the flighty flakey type I would only be chasing instead of being chased by anyway.


      • YaReally
        on April 14, 2014 at 7:08 am
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        @walawala

        Props on your progress in general and taking control of your life even being “old” lol this is the difference between someone who steps up and chooses to handle their shit and someone who whines and cries about how life isn’t fair.



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on April 13, 2014 at 6:52 pm
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Treat your fellow humans like shit, because you can, rather than pushing your own individual growth and leaving others in peace. Wonderful counsel.

It should be evident to all who read this site who the real tools are.


  • YaReally
    on April 13, 2014 at 7:16 pm
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    lol


  • cryo
    on April 13, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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    they’re going to feel like shit anyway if they indulge in desperate and irrational behavior…it’s not like taking their girl is actually taking away anything they had to begin with…the commenter even mentions they’ll be closer to enlightenment after experiencing this rejection…seems worse to me to live in denial than to be bitch-slapped by cold hard reality


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 6:41 am
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      Also if you read my followup comments I also talk about introducing those guys to other guys while taking their girl. All 7 dudes can’t fuck this one girl they’re orbiting so they actually make out better if I throw other girls at them lol

      Besides I’m not saying this is how I handle it. The question was what can be done in this situation and this is an answer. I would actually just lol at the sausage-fest and go for a different girl or befriend the guys and try to encourage one of them to make a move on her and go after his crush, unless one of the guys was a dick to me.


      • theasdgamer
        on April 14, 2014 at 9:32 am
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        Hey YaReally,

        Have you ever unintentionally AMOG-ed another guy who had a girl whom you didn’t really want? (She started shutting him out and chatting with you.) How did you handle that?

        Have you ever been AMOG-ed when you weren’t doing pickup? How did you handle that?


        • YaReally
          on April 14, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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          “Have you ever unintentionally AMOG-ed another guy who had a girl whom you didn’t really want? (She started shutting him out and chatting with you.) How did you handle that?”

          All the fucking time lol It’s really hard to avoid when you pass a certain level of skillset because you internalize a lot of shit and so many guys are SO actively fucking lame and have such anti-game that literally just by being a normal cool guy, a lot of guys’ girlfriends/crushes will get all up on me.

          I have to tone things down a lot when I’m out with normal AFC type buddies and their girlfriends because their girlfriends will flirt with me and the AFC guy can’t even see it because he doesn’t know what to look for.

          It happens with randoms too, and wingmen depending on our states that night…like I usually wing with solid guys, but if my buddy is having an off night and I’m having an on night, if I enter the set his girl will gravitate toward me, and vice-versa if I’m the lame one and he’s feelin good.

          My calibration is super sharp so I can see this stuff coming a mile away and if it’s a situation where I don’t want to take the girl or accidentally encourage any possibility in her head of us boning, I’ll usually just try to be as boring as possible and/or completely leave the interaction and go do my own thing. Like the first sign she’s into me I’ll back off and bail. Or I’ll do something so offensive that she’s super turned off, except that half the time trying to turn her off (aka disqualifying myself) ends up making her chase harder so that’s why I tend to just leave the room entirely lol

          I will never ever end up in a situation where I’m alone with a good buddy’s GF and she’s drinking, because there’s just no good that can come from that. Unless I have to take care of her (like she got wasted and he’s out of town and she needs me to help get her home because she ended up somewhere bad or whatever), and in those scenarios I just go full out business mode and take care of the situ as fast as possible with no conversation or flirting or eye-contact or anything and then GTFO as soon as possible.

          “Have you ever been AMOG-ed when you weren’t doing pickup? How did you handle that?”

          Again, allll the fucking time lol Hell, I have guys try to AMOG me when I’m out with girls. A couple weeks ago some guys waited till I went to the bathroom and then approached the girl I was there with lol I’ve had guys come up and hit on my girl while my arm is around her. It’s funny ballsy shit to me lol

          But ya in day-to-day I get AMOG’ed depending on my mood. I stare at a cpu screen all day for work, so if I go for lunch or something I’m not really in a killer alpha badass mood, I’m more inside my head and anti-social. So it’s not real difficult for a guy who’s in a good vibe to say something wittier than me or do something that I don’t have a good response for or that tools me a bit. It’s no big deal, it’s not the end of the world lol And I mean, if you work with a bunch of people and had managers etc., you have to let them AMOG you a bit because a lot of them are insecure and need to feel like they’re badasses so you can keep your job or work your way up the ranks without them feeling threatened.

          It’s no big deal though. It’s kind of like being in a fight. Sure Mike Tyson won a shitload of fights, but it’s not like he’s never taken a few punches. A lot of guys stress about AMOG stuff like “omg if I get AMOG’ed once it means I’m pathetic and I lose and it’s over!!!” but it’s like a fight, one punch probably isn’t going to take Tyson down, hell he might even get knocked dizzy a few times, but it’s no big deal, that’s just part of the fight and he’ll probably end up getting his own punches in and winning in the end.

          That’s why I call them “AMOG battles”, because it’s a bunch of little exchanges that add up. And I don’t really attach my worth to that stuff…like if the guy at the lunch place tools me on a Tuesday afternoon after I’ve been staring at my computer and like, the cute chick who works with him giggles and wants to fuck him, what do I care lol If I ran into them at the bar on a Saturday night when I’m feelin good and having fun and not thinking about work I’ll probably blow the guy out of the water, it’s no big deal to take a few punches.



Freelance Comment Of The Week: Diversity + Proximity = Poopytalk

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on April 13, 2014 at 12:34 pm
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Bouncing last night, I saw a mid 20′s 7.5 with mileage on her rocking a nice tight as fuck skirt. Good ass.

I figured wtf may as well gauge the bitch for a notch after the bar – so I’m roaming around – finally catch the front of her, decent tits – then observe the material that covers her cumbags. It was a sleeveless tight n’ white – read “GANGSTA RAP MADE ME DO IT”.

I shake my head and fuck off.

Then I wondered – I’m not at the acceptance stage with this decline of Western Civi… what kind of opener would YaReally use – to play it off where she’s the one that looks like a cockpit for wearing that, all the while you come off as a cool aloof cat that has better shit to splooge on.


  • Zombie Shane
    on April 13, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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    > “GANGSTA RAP MADE ME DO IT”

    Did you consider the possibility that she might be a White Nationalist rather than a Mudshark?

    It could be some “ironic” shiznat or something.

    In fact, that could be the basis for your approach:

    YOU: “Is your t-shirt supposed to be ironic?”

    And/Or:

    YOU: “How are you going to upload your naked selfies to Tinder if you’re using an ObamaPhone? I thought you had to use an iPhone for Tinder.”


    • FamilyMan
      on April 13, 2014 at 3:16 pm
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      Unlikely unless there’s some other clue.

      I know this is supposed to be a discussion that encourages men to try things esp. with females, but isn’t the ultimate alpha attitude to say no just because you don’t want to touch that?

      It’s not our job to rescue these girls or get involved in all that.


      • irishsavanti
        on April 13, 2014 at 4:44 pm
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        “It’s not our job to rescue these girls or get involved in all that.”

        True, but don’t forget that they – and their parents – have been exposed to mind-rotting propaganda all their lives, about all those cool, smart, erudite black doctors, professors, scientists etc. Some women can be brought around. I can claim a success (yeah, only one).


        • Zombie Shane
          on April 13, 2014 at 6:51 pm
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          Right.

          I thought we were all in agreement that we were going to start the pushback.

          I men, hell, we’ve got our backs to the edge of the cliff as it is.

          Might as well push back.


          • YaReally
            on April 14, 2014 at 6:31 am
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            “This is the problem. All of these comments are examples of over reaction. Why do you guys take bitches you ain’t even met so seriously?”

            This. How do you guys make it thru the day when a silly little girl can shake your frame so easily lol



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on April 13, 2014 at 12:34 pm
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Bouncing last night, I saw a mid 20’s 7.5 with mileage on her rocking a nice tight as fuck skirt. Good ass.

I figured wtf may as well gauge the bitch for a notch after the bar – so I’m roaming around – finally catch the front of her, decent tits – then observe the material that covers her cumbags. It was a sleeveless tight n’ white – read “GANGSTA RAP MADE ME DO IT”.

I shake my head and fuck off.

Then I wondered – I’m not at the acceptance stage with this decline of Western Civi… what kind of opener would YaReally use – to play it off where she’s the one that looks like a cockpit for wearing that, all the while you come off as a cool aloof cat that has better shit to splooge on.


  • Zombie Shane
    on April 13, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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    > “GANGSTA RAP MADE ME DO IT”

    Did you consider the possibility that she might be a White Nationalist rather than a Mudshark?

    It could be some “ironic” shiznat or something.

    In fact, that could be the basis for your approach:

    YOU: “Is your t-shirt supposed to be ironic?”

    And/Or:

    YOU: “How are you going to upload your naked selfies to Tinder if you’re using an ObamaPhone? I thought you had to use an iPhone for Tinder.”


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 6:31 am
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      “This is the problem. All of these comments are examples of over reaction. Why do you guys take bitches you ain’t even met so seriously?”

      This. How do you guys make it thru the day when a silly little girl can shake your frame so easily lol



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walawala
on April 12, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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What is forgotten is that girls LIKE orbiters…it’s easy to get sucked into that endless Friendzone mentality…chasing the unicorn.

You see a girl with a bunch of guys and think…wow, one of those guys MUST be fucking her…but it’s rarely the case.

The last girl I was banging was laughing about the various dudes who used to hit on her: one particular case was a guy who bought her a glass of red wine which she proceeded to accidentally spill all over his white shirt.

instead of gaming her, asking her to pay the bill, the guy went home, changed and came back…the asked her to come over.

We both laughed at that…then I banged her again.


  • Junior
    on April 13, 2014 at 8:26 pm
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    @walawala, your reports are superb. It’s encouraging for the rest of us to read what you have to say. For the older guys playing at home, you’re a more ‘mature’ guy yourself – are you finding any age limits to the girls you’re gaming? i’d say it would make a lot of older guys pretty uneasy to know what they could be capable of if they were willing to put their ego on the line.


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 7:08 am
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      @walawala

      Props on your progress in general and taking control of your life even being “old” lol this is the difference between someone who steps up and chooses to handle their shit and someone who whines and cries about how life isn’t fair.



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YaReally?
on April 13, 2014 at 6:52 pm
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Treat your fellow humans like shit, because you can, rather than pushing your own individual growth and leaving others in peace. Wonderful counsel.

It should be evident to all who read this site who the real tools are.


  • YaReally
    on April 13, 2014 at 7:16 pm
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    lol


  • cryo
    on April 13, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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    they’re going to feel like shit anyway if they indulge in desperate and irrational behavior…it’s not like taking their girl is actually taking away anything they had to begin with…the commenter even mentions they’ll be closer to enlightenment after experiencing this rejection…seems worse to me to live in denial than to be bitch-slapped by cold hard reality


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 6:41 am
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      Also if you read my followup comments I also talk about introducing those guys to other guys while taking their girl. All 7 dudes can’t fuck this one girl they’re orbiting so they actually make out better if I throw other girls at them lol

      Besides I’m not saying this is how I handle it. The question was what can be done in this situation and this is an answer. I would actually just lol at the sausage-fest and go for a different girl or befriend the guys and try to encourage one of them to make a move on her and go after his crush, unless one of the guys was a dick to me.


    • YaReally
      on April 14, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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      “Have you ever unintentionally AMOG-ed another guy who had a girl whom you didn’t really want? (She started shutting him out and chatting with you.) How did you handle that?”

      All the fucking time lol It’s really hard to avoid when you pass a certain level of skillset because you internalize a lot of shit and so many guys are SO actively fucking lame and have such anti-game that literally just by being a normal cool guy, a lot of guys’ girlfriends/crushes will get all up on me.

      I have to tone things down a lot when I’m out with normal AFC type buddies and their girlfriends because their girlfriends will flirt with me and the AFC guy can’t even see it because he doesn’t know what to look for.

      It happens with randoms too, and wingmen depending on our states that night…like I usually wing with solid guys, but if my buddy is having an off night and I’m having an on night, if I enter the set his girl will gravitate toward me, and vice-versa if I’m the lame one and he’s feelin good.

      My calibration is super sharp so I can see this stuff coming a mile away and if it’s a situation where I don’t want to take the girl or accidentally encourage any possibility in her head of us boning, I’ll usually just try to be as boring as possible and/or completely leave the interaction and go do my own thing. Like the first sign she’s into me I’ll back off and bail. Or I’ll do something so offensive that she’s super turned off, except that half the time trying to turn her off (aka disqualifying myself) ends up making her chase harder so that’s why I tend to just leave the room entirely lol

      I will never ever end up in a situation where I’m alone with a good buddy’s GF and she’s drinking, because there’s just no good that can come from that. Unless I have to take care of her (like she got wasted and he’s out of town and she needs me to help get her home because she ended up somewhere bad or whatever), and in those scenarios I just go full out business mode and take care of the situ as fast as possible with no conversation or flirting or eye-contact or anything and then GTFO as soon as possible.

      “Have you ever been AMOG-ed when you weren’t doing pickup? How did you handle that?”

      Again, allll the fucking time lol Hell, I have guys try to AMOG me when I’m out with girls. A couple weeks ago some guys waited till I went to the bathroom and then approached the girl I was there with lol I’ve had guys come up and hit on my girl while my arm is around her. It’s funny ballsy shit to me lol

      But ya in day-to-day I get AMOG’ed depending on my mood. I stare at a cpu screen all day for work, so if I go for lunch or something I’m not really in a killer alpha badass mood, I’m more inside my head and anti-social. So it’s not real difficult for a guy who’s in a good vibe to say something wittier than me or do something that I don’t have a good response for or that tools me a bit. It’s no big deal, it’s not the end of the world lol And I mean, if you work with a bunch of people and had managers etc., you have to let them AMOG you a bit because a lot of them are insecure and need to feel like they’re badasses so you can keep your job or work your way up the ranks without them feeling threatened.

      It’s no big deal though. It’s kind of like being in a fight. Sure Mike Tyson won a shitload of fights, but it’s not like he’s never taken a few punches. A lot of guys stress about AMOG stuff like “omg if I get AMOG’ed once it means I’m pathetic and I lose and it’s over!!!” but it’s like a fight, one punch probably isn’t going to take Tyson down, hell he might even get knocked dizzy a few times, but it’s no big deal, that’s just part of the fight and he’ll probably end up getting his own punches in and winning in the end.

      That’s why I call them “AMOG battles”, because it’s a bunch of little exchanges that add up. And I don’t really attach my worth to that stuff…like if the guy at the lunch place tools me on a Tuesday afternoon after I’ve been staring at my computer and like, the cute chick who works with him giggles and wants to fuck him, what do I care lol If I ran into them at the bar on a Saturday night when I’m feelin good and having fun and not thinking about work I’ll probably blow the guy out of the water, it’s no big deal to take a few punches.



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YaReally
on April 11, 2014 at 4:10 pm
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Hammered Jude Law getting denied the kiss, repeatedly:

http://cink.hu/igy-smackozik-reszegen-jude-law-zimany-lindaval-1561690316/all

“as does any ruse which implicitly recognizes a girl’s natural solipsism and entrancement with her own uniqueness.”

Even Jude Law can’t get laid when he’s so wasted that the girl doesn’t feel like a special snowflake lol



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YaReally
on April 11, 2014 at 4:10 pm
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Hammered Jude Law getting denied the kiss, repeatedly:

http://cink.hu/igy-smackozik-reszegen-jude-law-zimany-lindaval-1561690316/all

“as does any ruse which implicitly recognizes a girl’s natural solipsism and entrancement with her own uniqueness.”

Even Jude Law can’t get laid when he’s so wasted that the girl doesn’t feel like a special snowflake lol



Is Pollution Feminizing Men?

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Lucky White Male
on April 11, 2014 at 1:31 pm
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Good post and here is something on same topic:

I admit there are things going on I cannot explain and remain beyond me.

Question: how do a bunch of guys get hazed by a female sorority?

In what world are we now living in, where, in the following story, a bunch of broads FORCE a group of college-age guys to wear panties, eat dog food, etc?

Behold:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/10/connectictu-uconn-delta-zeta-sorority-hazing-suspension/7542511/


  • YaReally
    on April 11, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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    “Question: how do a bunch of guys get hazed by a female sorority?”

    Strongest frame wins. It’s that simple.



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Lucky White Male
on April 11, 2014 at 1:31 pm
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Good post and here is something on same topic:

I admit there are things going on I cannot explain and remain beyond me.

Question: how do a bunch of guys get hazed by a female sorority?

In what world are we now living in, where, in the following story, a bunch of broads FORCE a group of college-age guys to wear panties, eat dog food, etc?

Behold:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/10/connectictu-uconn-delta-zeta-sorority-hazing-suspension/7542511/


  • YaReally
    on April 11, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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    “Question: how do a bunch of guys get hazed by a female sorority?”

    Strongest frame wins. It’s that simple.



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on April 10, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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I saw the video you shared via twitter on the evolution of beauty and I thought you might find this interesting:

According to the study, the traits that mattered most to women are as follows:

Body Shape: 79.7%
Height: 6.1%
Penis Size: 5.1%

I was surprised on how low height scored and even more surprised that If a guy is tall and with a big penis, it’s just an added plus but not to a short guy. A short man can have a huge penis but it won’t boost his overall attractiveness. So, the traits have to be interlinked in a way to gain the overall attractive ideal.

But…at the end of the video, someone asks him a question about competition and penis size. He theorizes that there might be some positive correlation between this but a more in-depth study is needed.

Now, I know some guys will think this discredits game but I think it actually sets the foundation for why game is important.Game helps by letting you actively compete out there in the market. This competition (theoretically) could fuel your biology directly, whether you know it or not.

Man is, by his nature, a competitive animal. Those who keep plowing on will eventually pass their genes to the best mate that they can find.

[CH: female physical attractiveness criteria don't discredit game because those criteria are orthogonal to the other traits that women love in men. to put it succinctly, women have a much broader range of attractiveness criteria than do men. game is an exploit of the personality/charisma/social status axis of male traits that women judge for mate worth.]


  • Grim
    on April 10, 2014 at 2:55 pm
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    whatever. height is UBER important to women. any man under 6’0″ is absolutely starting with a handicap in this world. even 5’11″ is missing out on a huge % of opportunities (both professional and personal) compared to a 6’1″ man. literally life changing in mate choices, who you end up marrying. sure the 5’11″ can learn game and anyone can approve, but 6’1″ naturally broad shouldered guy has huge starting point advantage.

    even with options from the get go. sure there is the Tom Cruise thing, but usually 5’7″ is a bit too tall for a 5’11″ guy because when she’s in heels she’s almost as tall as him. women want to look up to their man literally and figuratively. it’s just fucking true. There are plenty of 5’8″ girls who are total hotties. That’s not too tall for a woman (like a 5’11″ awkward looking girl is a bit too tall)…but it’s too tall for me. My options are limited to 5’7″ and below and even that is a bit too tall and 5’3″ to 5’4″ is better for me. So I literally have less options than the 6’1″ guy.

    My ex GF was/is 5’7″ and a long legged hottie–awesome body. She was the tallest girl I’ve ever banged and we dated for 3 years…but even that (my height) was partly an issue, I believe. Her dad is 6’5″ huge guy. Now, in the beginning she chose me and fucked me for 3 years, but I firmly believe that some of the natural beta that creeps in to any LTR would have been more forgivable if I were 6’2″, which is the height a 5’7″ girl needs.

    life’s not fair. just like a female 6 is missing out on being an 8 …. huge difference.

    A 5’8″ girl is not too tall; I’m too short for her. Yeah I know–fix my internals.

    I absolutely know that at parties, the girl wants the man to be comfortably taller when she’s in her heels.

    Now, men’s dress shoes have like a 3/4 inch heel. When my 5’7″ GF wore some pretty big heels, I was still taller than her, by about an inch. But that’s not enough. 5’7″ girl really needs the man to be 6’1″ minimum…have to be 2 inches taller, at least, even when she’s in her 4 inch heels.

    Women admit this. Fucking little spoon, who is 5’0″ and 101 pounds, says she won’t date a guy less than 6’2″ or some shit like that, and many many women hold that same view.

    Cue the guys to tell me about game. 6’2″ guy can learn game too. All game being equal, it is better to be 6’2″ than 5’11″.


    • Scray
      on April 10, 2014 at 3:58 pm
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      I’m going to tell you now that height isn’t really that big of a deal. It’s funny how you’re listening to what women say still —>

      ‘Fucking little spoon, who is 5’0″ and 101 pounds, says she won’t date a guy less than 6’2″ or some shit like that’

      Women also say they won’t date men who treat them like shit.


      • CH
        on April 10, 2014 at 4:40 pm
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        The thing you have to bear in mind whenever the subject of women’s measurable attractiveness criteria comes up is that the studies finding this or that female preference for particular male physical attributes have a restriction of range problem; namely, that the men in such studies for the most part have no compensating game. This is the case because as much as we talk about game here the fact remains that few men in the outside world are actually putting the principles into practice. So what happens is that female mate choice gets heavily weighted toward the physical side of the male attractiveness equation when social scientists attempt to analyze the issue closely.

        This is not to say that female preferences for certain male physical traits don’t exist (all else equal, women do prefer taller men to shorter men), but these inherent mate choice study limitations do point up how difficult it is to uncover female preferences in a real world setting where all sorts of biofeedback (such as male charm and confidence) influences female perception of male sexual or romantic worth.


        • YaReally
          on April 11, 2014 at 12:15 pm
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          “as much as we talk about game here the fact remains that few men in the outside world are actually putting the principles into practice. So what happens is that female mate choice gets heavily weighted toward the physical side of the male attractiveness equation when social scientists attempt to analyze the issue closely.”

          This is important. Part of why I’m not intimidated by the tall rich jacked guys I see is because I’ve been around enough of them to know that maybe 10% of them have any real game and only like 1% of them has game that I’d actually have to worry about.

          Guys give way too much credit to other guys. You have to go out and watch these dudes going home alone and supplicating to girls and buying their attention with drinks every night and go up and talk to their girls and run game and experience the girls snubbing them for you, to really burn into your brain how rare good game is.

          So in these studies, it’s like I’ve said before: being tall/jacked/rich is just a fast indicator that the guy is more likely to have alpha attributes than a guy who doesn’t have those things…the same way if we put a mousey makeupless girl in a baggy sweatshirt beside a model in a tight dress most guys would pick the model because we assume a woman displaying her sexuality like that will be a good fuck.

          But once you add game into the equation all that shit goes out the window the same way as if you found out the mousey girl loves the same kind if sex you do and the model hates giving head and only bangs with the lights off and only lets you fuck her missionary and has banged 50 guys…you might still go with the model but she’s become a lot less appealing than that mousey girl who’s become more appealing.

          I haven’t done a workout in like a year (besides sex lol) and the girls I’m with give no fucks. I’m actually turning down a fuckbuddy who’s my height and wears stripper style heels (so she towers over me) tonight to get some work done and she wants me to come out to where her and her friends are drinking because she knows other guys will be pussies around her but I’ll dominate her and pull her down by the back of her head to suck face and lead her around by the small of her back etc even in public while having to look up at her. A second FB plays sports every week and works with athletes but loves cuddling up to my chubby belly. With both of these girls I just walk around naked after sex as if I’m a 10 lol

          My two LTRs were both my height and wore heels but those were flukes cause I actually like short petite girls personally.

          So much of this height and looks shit is about “will she like me????” instead of “does she pass my requirements?” It’s such a wrong headspace from the start lol

          Shitload of mental masturbation in this comment section today. It’s Friday night, GTFO there and run game on some tall girls talking to tall guys lol


    • FamilyMan
      on April 11, 2014 at 6:04 am
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      I’m gonna agree with Grim. Well I’m 5’6″ and my wife is 5’2″. But she doesn’t do really high heels, it works well enough. Of course taller is better, but I’ve never even tried a pair of elevator shoes for the small lift they would give. I’ve had some relationship issues that might be less if I were taller, but as I say, the kids are teenagers already and I haven’t been served yet.

      There are plenty of petite women in the world. Many of them are in Asia or originally from there.

      What I don’t agree with is saying 5’7″ is “not too tall”. It is too tall. For you. Or if that isn’t, say 5’9″ surely would be. It’s important to have right proportions, then things feel better, in bed and elsewhere. You should be able to maneuver your woman around and control her without effort. If you were 6’8″ (NBA guard/forward), then any woman under 6 feet would probably feel too short for you.

      This is not a matter of fixing your internals in the sense of showing confidence with women that are too tall for you. That’s hard, and it is an ongoing challenge in a LTR that can sink you even if you do everything right. Fix your internals to realize that there is a right size range of women for you, same as for any man, but the range differs by the man’s height. That’s easy and it works.

      I used to dream of dating a supermodel, then I realized that a supermodel is much taller than I am. That would suck. In this lifetime, supermodels are not for me.

      I always thought Sonny looked pathetic next to Cher. And sure enough she never showed him any respect. Wrong choice for him, and they made money in the music biz (I don’t know why, they weren’t great), but romantically it was a bust.


      • Grim
        on April 11, 2014 at 11:51 am
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        thanks. yeah I know. I’ve been with many little cuties between 5’0″ and 5’5″. Not as many as YaReally but not a totally embarrassing number and way above the national beta average, according to CH. they are everywhere. but after being with the 5’7″ girl (who was in such good shape that she’s still tiny…had a six pack and was about 120 lbs at 5’7″ due to doing ballet SERIOUSLY her entire life)..I’m kind of ruined for the 5’0″ girls I used to like. Now I need a professional ballerina (literally) or I’m not happy.

        The 5’7″ girl…I swear the extra 7 inches compared to the 5’0″ girl was all in her femur bone (thigh bone)!!!!! Like…again, I’m not super short (5’11″), but this girl’s legs were as long as mine). She is truly a phenom….all legs, thin, but still has good hips like a woman as opposed to a masculine shape.

        She hates me now and I know her feminine nature and all the stuff we talk about here (has only one egg; must be able to move on quickly) tells her I’m a total asshole evil incarnate, but the reality is my only mistake in the relationship was a sort of natural betaization taht creeps in as even CH says….. I really think if I were a 6’2″ guy the betaness can get forgiven more easily.


        • YaReally
          on April 11, 2014 at 2:38 pm
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          “The 5’7″ girl…I swear the extra 7 inches compared to the 5’0″ girl was all in her femur bone (thigh bone)!!!!! Like…again, I’m not super short (5’11″)”

          Okay, so who to listen to on the subject of height mattering. The 5′***11***” guy (jesus, I assumed you were like 5’8″ from 5’7″ being your tallest girl, you have 2 inches on me…my extra 2″ went to my cock) who’s tallest girl was 5’7″ and the family man who’s married and doesn’t actually go out and get laid let alone by taller girls…

          …or this 5’0″ guy:

          Tough call lol Go spend 6 months hitting on every tall girl you see.


      • YaReally
        on April 11, 2014 at 12:23 pm
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        “I’m gonna agree with Grim.”

        Well shit, if the married guy agrees with the guy who’s never fucked a girl taller than 5’7″, that’s all the evidence I need! Case closed! Everyone go home! Where’s that website for extending my shin bones???

        If I wasn’t posting from my phone I would link some Cupid Schmupid vids here for the basement dwellers who haven’t seen a short guy with game before.

        Most of the major name PUAs are in the 5’7″-5’9″ range.



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J.B
on April 10, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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I saw the video you shared via twitter on the evolution of beauty and I thought you might find this interesting:

According to the study, the traits that mattered most to women are as follows:

Body Shape: 79.7%
Height: 6.1%
Penis Size: 5.1%

I was surprised on how low height scored and even more surprised that If a guy is tall and with a big penis, it’s just an added plus but not to a short guy. A short man can have a huge penis but it won’t boost his overall attractiveness. So, the traits have to be interlinked in a way to gain the overall attractive ideal.

But…at the end of the video, someone asks him a question about competition and penis size. He theorizes that there might be some positive correlation between this but a more in-depth study is needed.

Now, I know some guys will think this discredits game but I think it actually sets the foundation for why game is important.Game helps by letting you actively compete out there in the market. This competition (theoretically) could fuel your biology directly, whether you know it or not.

Man is, by his nature, a competitive animal. Those who keep plowing on will eventually pass their genes to the best mate that they can find.

[CH: female physical attractiveness criteria don’t discredit game because those criteria are orthogonal to the other traits that women love in men. to put it succinctly, women have a much broader range of attractiveness criteria than do men. game is an exploit of the personality/charisma/social status axis of male traits that women judge for mate worth.]


  • Grim
    on April 10, 2014 at 2:55 pm
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    whatever. height is UBER important to women. any man under 6’0″ is absolutely starting with a handicap in this world. even 5’11” is missing out on a huge % of opportunities (both professional and personal) compared to a 6’1″ man. literally life changing in mate choices, who you end up marrying. sure the 5’11” can learn game and anyone can approve, but 6’1″ naturally broad shouldered guy has huge starting point advantage.

    even with options from the get go. sure there is the Tom Cruise thing, but usually 5’7″ is a bit too tall for a 5’11” guy because when she’s in heels she’s almost as tall as him. women want to look up to their man literally and figuratively. it’s just fucking true. There are plenty of 5’8″ girls who are total hotties. That’s not too tall for a woman (like a 5’11” awkward looking girl is a bit too tall)…but it’s too tall for me. My options are limited to 5’7″ and below and even that is a bit too tall and 5’3″ to 5’4″ is better for me. So I literally have less options than the 6’1″ guy.

    My ex GF was/is 5’7″ and a long legged hottie–awesome body. She was the tallest girl I’ve ever banged and we dated for 3 years…but even that (my height) was partly an issue, I believe. Her dad is 6’5″ huge guy. Now, in the beginning she chose me and fucked me for 3 years, but I firmly believe that some of the natural beta that creeps in to any LTR would have been more forgivable if I were 6’2″, which is the height a 5’7″ girl needs.

    life’s not fair. just like a female 6 is missing out on being an 8 …. huge difference.

    A 5’8″ girl is not too tall; I’m too short for her. Yeah I know–fix my internals.

    I absolutely know that at parties, the girl wants the man to be comfortably taller when she’s in her heels.

    Now, men’s dress shoes have like a 3/4 inch heel. When my 5’7″ GF wore some pretty big heels, I was still taller than her, by about an inch. But that’s not enough. 5’7″ girl really needs the man to be 6’1″ minimum…have to be 2 inches taller, at least, even when she’s in her 4 inch heels.

    Women admit this. Fucking little spoon, who is 5’0″ and 101 pounds, says she won’t date a guy less than 6’2″ or some shit like that, and many many women hold that same view.

    Cue the guys to tell me about game. 6’2″ guy can learn game too. All game being equal, it is better to be 6’2″ than 5’11”.


    • YaReally
      on April 11, 2014 at 12:15 pm
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      “as much as we talk about game here the fact remains that few men in the outside world are actually putting the principles into practice. So what happens is that female mate choice gets heavily weighted toward the physical side of the male attractiveness equation when social scientists attempt to analyze the issue closely.”

      This is important. Part of why I’m not intimidated by the tall rich jacked guys I see is because I’ve been around enough of them to know that maybe 10% of them have any real game and only like 1% of them has game that I’d actually have to worry about.

      Guys give way too much credit to other guys. You have to go out and watch these dudes going home alone and supplicating to girls and buying their attention with drinks every night and go up and talk to their girls and run game and experience the girls snubbing them for you, to really burn into your brain how rare good game is.

      So in these studies, it’s like I’ve said before: being tall/jacked/rich is just a fast indicator that the guy is more likely to have alpha attributes than a guy who doesn’t have those things…the same way if we put a mousey makeupless girl in a baggy sweatshirt beside a model in a tight dress most guys would pick the model because we assume a woman displaying her sexuality like that will be a good fuck.

      But once you add game into the equation all that shit goes out the window the same way as if you found out the mousey girl loves the same kind if sex you do and the model hates giving head and only bangs with the lights off and only lets you fuck her missionary and has banged 50 guys…you might still go with the model but she’s become a lot less appealing than that mousey girl who’s become more appealing.

      I haven’t done a workout in like a year (besides sex lol) and the girls I’m with give no fucks. I’m actually turning down a fuckbuddy who’s my height and wears stripper style heels (so she towers over me) tonight to get some work done and she wants me to come out to where her and her friends are drinking because she knows other guys will be pussies around her but I’ll dominate her and pull her down by the back of her head to suck face and lead her around by the small of her back etc even in public while having to look up at her. A second FB plays sports every week and works with athletes but loves cuddling up to my chubby belly. With both of these girls I just walk around naked after sex as if I’m a 10 lol

      My two LTRs were both my height and wore heels but those were flukes cause I actually like short petite girls personally.

      So much of this height and looks shit is about “will she like me????” instead of “does she pass my requirements?” It’s such a wrong headspace from the start lol

      Shitload of mental masturbation in this comment section today. It’s Friday night, GTFO there and run game on some tall girls talking to tall guys lol


    • YaReally
      on April 11, 2014 at 12:23 pm
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      “I’m gonna agree with Grim.”

      Well shit, if the married guy agrees with the guy who’s never fucked a girl taller than 5’7″, that’s all the evidence I need! Case closed! Everyone go home! Where’s that website for extending my shin bones???

      If I wasn’t posting from my phone I would link some Cupid Schmupid vids here for the basement dwellers who haven’t seen a short guy with game before.

      Most of the major name PUAs are in the 5’7″-5’9″ range.


    • YaReally
      on April 11, 2014 at 2:38 pm
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      “The 5’7″ girl…I swear the extra 7 inches compared to the 5’0″ girl was all in her femur bone (thigh bone)!!!!! Like…again, I’m not super short (5’11″)”

      Okay, so who to listen to on the subject of height mattering. The 5’***11***” guy (jesus, I assumed you were like 5’8″ from 5’7″ being your tallest girl, you have 2 inches on me…my extra 2″ went to my cock) who’s tallest girl was 5’7″ and the family man who’s married and doesn’t actually go out and get laid let alone by taller girls…

      …or this 5’0″ guy:

      Tough call lol Go spend 6 months hitting on every tall girl you see.



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YaReally
on April 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm
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Can’t link it right now but there’s a recent RSD vid that goes I to this stuff and describes basically how the fastest way to build a deep bond with someone (men or women) isn’t to do THEM favors, it’s to get them to do YOU a favor.



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YaReally
on April 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm
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Can’t link it right now but there’s a recent RSD vid that goes I to this stuff and describes basically how the fastest way to build a deep bond with someone (men or women) isn’t to do THEM favors, it’s to get them to do YOU a favor.



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Scray
on April 8, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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How can you guys keep focused on this stuff?

[CH: big brains.]

I mean good on ya’ll.
My mind is just constantly getting blown by raw female sexuality.

[mine too. although the blast radius has kinda worn off the mind blowing at this point.]

Go to pick 8 up for coffee or watever at her office, end up doing some yayo, getting blown in a chair and then banging in view of a little baby in a stroller in the hallway (open blinds on the door….)….

[the things i've seen...]

also getting crazy-eyed ‘don’t fuck around on me….I’ll find out…..and you won’t like what happens…’ while getting oral is…..insane.

[i prefer the backward head tilt while drfiting into pleasureville.]

wasn’t the dancer either. this is the girl I was lying to months ago lol. wtf.
“Act Like You’ve Been There Before” should be a cardinal rule.

["act as if" "act like you've been there" "fake it till you make it" all variations on the same theme.]

Because a lot of these adventures have me in my mind going ‘are you fucking serious? I’m doing this? This is happening?’

liiiiike….why do you guys even want a prim proper virginal-ish girl?

[tight is right.]

They suck in comparison. Dogshit. The worst. Never looking back.

[we'll have to agree to disagree.]

Att: Zombie Shane
Application of IQ to game —> picking which desk in the office to fuck on. Which ones can bear the right of weight, allow the greatest flexibility in position, allow the right amounts of force, and are at the right height.

[standing fuckstation.]


  • cryo
    on April 8, 2014 at 7:38 pm
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    The best is getting a prim proper girl to unleash her whore with you. Your game isn’t tight enough yet so you’re slumming it with indiscrete sluts pretending that it’s all good. You’ll get there though.


    • YaReally
      on April 9, 2014 at 6:30 am
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      “The best is getting a prim proper girl to unleash her whore with you.”

      It’s overrated to me. I’ve been with enough virgins to now disqualify them and actively avoid them lol I have better things to do than invest a bunch of time baby-stepping a virgin through sex and disarming all her hang-ups. I think half the guys that want to “teach a virgin” just get off on the power trip more than the actual sex lol but hey, to each their own.

      “Because it’s easy to teach a girl to give great head”

      I disagree. Unless your standards for head are pretty low lol And even then you’re rolling the dice that the girl is going to actually enjoy giving head. A girl who LOVES sucking cock and can’t keep her mouth off your dick is 1000x better than a virgin scrunching her face up as she finishes you with her hand scared you’re going to get jizz in her hair until you teach her to pretend to enjoy it knowing that she really doesn’t. I’ll pass on that shit lol

      “Because a lot of these adventures have me in my mind going ‘are you fucking serious? I’m doing this? This is happening?’”

      Welcome to the game lol If this isn’t happening to you regularly, you aren’t pushing your comfort zone. I don’t even bother telling buddies the details of what I get up to because it’s way too far outside their reality to even believe me lol


      • Simon Corso
        on April 9, 2014 at 8:25 am
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        ” A girl who LOVES sucking cock and can’t keep her mouth off your dick is 1000x better than a virgin scrunching her face up as she finishes you with her hand scared you’re going to get jizz in her hair until you teach her to pretend to enjoy it knowing that she really doesn’t. I’ll pass on that shit lol ”

        Training a girl for BJ’s is a freaking ordeal. But totally worth it…once you get the teethmarks off your dick.

        Anyway I tend to assume most men have attuned whor-dar like I do. Sluts have tells, and that’s why I tend towards the ( seemingly ) prim and proper types. Not that I’m hunting virgins, but if we’re going to be in public together I want a girl who at least appears to have some dignity.

        That old feminist argument that game only works on bar sluts ? I was getting bar sluts with zero game. I learned game so I could pull,and keep, a better class of woman.


        • Scray
          on April 9, 2014 at 9:00 am
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          I don’t believe this. These chicks sniff out weakness. I think it’s the other way around, to be honest. The less experienced chicks seem to be completely bowled over by game (which means that non-game will work). The ones who are more of a challenge to get under thumb are the so-called ‘ruined’ women.

          And honestly, I don’t really want to have to train anyone. Just come to me pre-made.

          Seems like fear, tbh.


          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2014 at 10:59 am
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            “For some reason you believe that these women are incapable of acting prim and proper in front of mom. For some reason you also believe that these women are incapable of being faithful to a high value man. ”

            This. Guys who think a girl who can be slutty in bed can’t put a fucking bow in her hair and impress their mom usually only have experience with the hardcore low-quality bar sluts and don’t really realize there’s a middle ground of girls that you would never expect to be slutty because they seem classy, who are fucking wild when you create a non-judgemental environment for them.

            It’s like guys picture some chick sitting down at the dinner table going “Wow, Mrs. YaReally, this meal looks almost as delicious as the big black dicks I love to take up my ass!!!!!” Fucking cartoon stereotypes. Go out more and meet some real women lol


      • Mukluk
        on April 9, 2014 at 9:16 am
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        How old are you? Where are you meeting these virgins?


        • YaReally
          on April 9, 2014 at 11:02 am
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          Early 30s, and all over. I’ve had young virgins (under 21) and older virgins (mid/late 20s). The older ones usually had some kind of bad experience with sex (usually rape) when they were young and have a shit-ton of unwiring to do to get them to be comfortable with sex. The young ones don’t have a clue wtf they’re doing and are huge fucking projects to teach and not worth the effort to me because it’s not like being a virgin magically makes them quality girlfriend/mother/relationship material in all other aspects.

          Fuck a few of them and you realize they’re just like any other girls.



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Scray
on April 8, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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How can you guys keep focused on this stuff?

[CH: big brains.]

I mean good on ya’ll.
My mind is just constantly getting blown by raw female sexuality.

[mine too. although the blast radius has kinda worn off the mind blowing at this point.]

Go to pick 8 up for coffee or watever at her office, end up doing some yayo, getting blown in a chair and then banging in view of a little baby in a stroller in the hallway (open blinds on the door….)….

[the things i’ve seen…]

also getting crazy-eyed ‘don’t fuck around on me….I’ll find out…..and you won’t like what happens…’ while getting oral is…..insane.

[i prefer the backward head tilt while drfiting into pleasureville.]

wasn’t the dancer either. this is the girl I was lying to months ago lol. wtf.
“Act Like You’ve Been There Before” should be a cardinal rule.

[“act as if” “act like you’ve been there” “fake it till you make it” all variations on the same theme.]

Because a lot of these adventures have me in my mind going ‘are you fucking serious? I’m doing this? This is happening?’

liiiiike….why do you guys even want a prim proper virginal-ish girl?

[tight is right.]

They suck in comparison. Dogshit. The worst. Never looking back.

[we’ll have to agree to disagree.]

Att: Zombie Shane
Application of IQ to game —> picking which desk in the office to fuck on. Which ones can bear the right of weight, allow the greatest flexibility in position, allow the right amounts of force, and are at the right height.

[standing fuckstation.]


  • cryo
    on April 8, 2014 at 7:38 pm
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    The best is getting a prim proper girl to unleash her whore with you. Your game isn’t tight enough yet so you’re slumming it with indiscrete sluts pretending that it’s all good. You’ll get there though.


    • YaReally
      on April 9, 2014 at 6:30 am
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      “The best is getting a prim proper girl to unleash her whore with you.”

      It’s overrated to me. I’ve been with enough virgins to now disqualify them and actively avoid them lol I have better things to do than invest a bunch of time baby-stepping a virgin through sex and disarming all her hang-ups. I think half the guys that want to “teach a virgin” just get off on the power trip more than the actual sex lol but hey, to each their own.

      “Because it’s easy to teach a girl to give great head”

      I disagree. Unless your standards for head are pretty low lol And even then you’re rolling the dice that the girl is going to actually enjoy giving head. A girl who LOVES sucking cock and can’t keep her mouth off your dick is 1000x better than a virgin scrunching her face up as she finishes you with her hand scared you’re going to get jizz in her hair until you teach her to pretend to enjoy it knowing that she really doesn’t. I’ll pass on that shit lol

      “Because a lot of these adventures have me in my mind going ‘are you fucking serious? I’m doing this? This is happening?’”

      Welcome to the game lol If this isn’t happening to you regularly, you aren’t pushing your comfort zone. I don’t even bother telling buddies the details of what I get up to because it’s way too far outside their reality to even believe me lol


    • YaReally
      on April 9, 2014 at 10:59 am
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      “For some reason you believe that these women are incapable of acting prim and proper in front of mom. For some reason you also believe that these women are incapable of being faithful to a high value man. ”

      This. Guys who think a girl who can be slutty in bed can’t put a fucking bow in her hair and impress their mom usually only have experience with the hardcore low-quality bar sluts and don’t really realize there’s a middle ground of girls that you would never expect to be slutty because they seem classy, who are fucking wild when you create a non-judgemental environment for them.

      It’s like guys picture some chick sitting down at the dinner table going “Wow, Mrs. YaReally, this meal looks almost as delicious as the big black dicks I love to take up my ass!!!!!” Fucking cartoon stereotypes. Go out more and meet some real women lol


    • YaReally
      on April 9, 2014 at 11:02 am
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      Early 30s, and all over. I’ve had young virgins (under 21) and older virgins (mid/late 20s). The older ones usually had some kind of bad experience with sex (usually rape) when they were young and have a shit-ton of unwiring to do to get them to be comfortable with sex. The young ones don’t have a clue wtf they’re doing and are huge fucking projects to teach and not worth the effort to me because it’s not like being a virgin magically makes them quality girlfriend/mother/relationship material in all other aspects.

      Fuck a few of them and you realize they’re just like any other girls.



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newly aloof
on April 7, 2014 at 11:20 am
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Yeah, yeah, fuck the betas and all that shit, but I’d like to know how you would go about informing such a tool of his toolery (if you just happened to be in a particular mood where you felt what the hell, let me try to untool this tool – even though he may not listen to a fuckin’ word of it). Order all the guys at the table some Shirley Temples? Tell him how the girl is tooling them when you see him alone? (Although writing a blog post about him (he may read it after all) does qualify as helping out)


  • YaReally
    on April 7, 2014 at 11:39 am
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    Take their girl.

    You’re cooler than them by default simply because they’re so low-value to her that they’re her orbiters, and you’re the bright shiny new object. Just ignore her and chat with them, then tease her when she tries to get your attention and she’ll choose you and demand more of your attention. If you choose her, they can “protect” her and kick your ass…but if she chooses you, there’s nothing they can do about it because she’ll defend you from them. All they can do is home and cry themselves to sleep, then Google “how do I get this one special girl I’m in love with??” and end up on their way to enlightenment lol

    [CH: the shiv is strong in this comment.]


    • rikard
      on April 7, 2014 at 2:30 pm
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      the other route is ignoring them. like completely ignore them and focus all your attention on her. serves to reinforce the groups low value, if you cant even bother to respond to them how much value can they have?
      not field tested so take this with a grain of salt.


      • YaReally
        on April 7, 2014 at 8:15 pm
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        This is doable but I’ve found that it results in the guys being way more aggressively protective not in that they try to kick my ass but in they get the girl the fuck away from me and make it extremely difficult to get any kind of further interaction with her.

        My method of befriending them slips in under their radars because I’m just being a cool guy ignoring her and chatting with them and interestingly when they realize she’s into me often they just back off entirely and slink off into the shadows almost as if they’re thinking “ahhh this guy is cooler than me, of course she likes him, it’s natural that they would get together :(” and basically let me have her which is trippy to read buuuut I rememeber a few times when I was an AFC where I was like “oh of course she likes the quarterback/bartender/good-looking guy/etc. I guess I’ll just hope one day she realizes I’m a Nicer Guy than him…”

        In an ideal world I like to try to give value so I would not just take their girl but I would try to set them up with other girls, like chat up a table of girls beside us and introduce them all and merge sets so that everyone wins, but that all depends on the logistics and such.

        More common is that I’ll determine which of the guys (there’s usually 1-3 of them depending on the size of the group) is the biggest threat in terms of alpha coolness and throw random girls passing by at them to keep them distracted. The lamer beta guys in the group I’ll try to set up just out of the kindness of my heart lol

        In the end there’s still a bit of butthurtness, but much less than if I went in bee-lining for the girl and tooled all her orbiters.


        • Junior
          on April 7, 2014 at 10:31 pm
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          yup, I’m all for making friends rather than ignoring crew – why create more bad vibes if you can avoid them?

          @YaReally – with regard to the possible threats in terms of alpha-coolness, would be good to get your advice on some ways you can ‘throw random girls passing by at them to keep them distracted’? I take almost as much pleasure in adding this kind of value to the lives of other guys I see struggling in live & love as I do in generating the same for myself. Would love to be able to do this more consistently.


          • YaReally
            on April 8, 2014 at 5:45 am
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            “some ways you can ‘throw random girls passing by at them to keep them distracted’?”

            I literally just take the first decent looking girl or girls that walk past us and stop them and go “HEY. You two need to meet. This is GuysName (point her at him), GuysName this is Sarah (I just make up a random female name).” and then turn my back, or do the same with her friends if there are more dudes, or just chat with her friends to give him and the girl some one-on-one time. Or if it’s just one dude and like a 3-set of girls comes by I do the same thing “HEY. This is GuysName. GuysName this is Sarah, Amanda, and Shaniqua (lol).” and let them sort it out.

            Generally the girls want to correct someone not knowing their proper name, so that gives the guy a little bit of a conversation topic and the girls sometimes give me shit for making up names etc., doesn’t matter, either way the end result is now we’re all in set together.

            Sometimes the girl will hesitate or whatever and you just frame control over it like this guy is the awesomest guy in the world she has to meet. “HEY. You two need to meet. No, shut up, this is GuysName, he’s awesome we go way back. GuysName this is Sarah, we used to date but I broke up with her because she’s shit in bed. Don’t be awkward Sarah, shake hands and say hi. This is where you shake her hand, GuysName.” and then i fuck off and let GuysName say “sorry, I don’t even know that guy” and they can bond over what an asshole I am lol Doesn’t matter, point is they’re in set together now.

            I don’t really help the guy much aside from giving him some isolation by talking to her friends, and like 90% of the time the dude loses the girl fast, but that doesn’t matter, because he usually doesn’t have enough game to even know he bombed the set…all he knows is he got to talk to a pretty girl which is something that never happens to him, and I was the reason that that magic event happened, so he loves me FOREVER. And if I do it a second time? Even if he only gets a 10 second interaction, I am a god to him and he’ll probably buy me a drink lol

            A cool guy will actually do well with the chick I throw at him, and that’s a win too. Everyone wins, the girls get to meet either a cool guy or a shy nice dude who’ll probably offer to buy her a drink. Spreadin’ good vibes all around.

            …and while they’re all having fun, I’m grabbing their queen’s # so I can stealth-txt/AMOG and meet up with her later, or I’m extracting her out of the bar.


          • YaReally
            on April 8, 2014 at 6:48 am
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            @Burninator
            “Here’s my boggle, you’re saying that you’re with a group of buds”

            What? No lol sorry, I was talking about when you see a queen bee walk in with her orbiter chodes. Like, they’re not your buddies. (ie – in my mind I’m CH or the bartender that rolled his eyes, etc., the outside guy who wants a group of orbiters’ queen bee).

            I could still intro an actual good buddy the same way to randoms, but I’d put a lot more effort into it if he was a buddy. If he’s just some random, I don’t care, I just want to get him in front of her and into a conversation and help give him enough one-on-one time with her to give me time to go back to his group’s queen bee to do my thing (usually if she came with 5 orbiters, they’re not gonna’ let her leave with a random guy so I’ll just grab a solid #-close and txt her where they have no idea her and I are communicating and I’ll tool them with stuff like “I don’t think your 5 boyfriends approved of me lol you’re such a player” etc.).


    • Zombie Shane
      on April 7, 2014 at 3:45 pm
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      > “Take their girl.”

      What if, say, your little brother were one of the five dudes?

      Wouldn’t you feel a fraternal sense of duty to start introducing him to Game?


      • YaReally
        on April 7, 2014 at 8:20 pm
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        “Wouldn’t you feel a fraternal sense of duty to start introducing him to Game?”

        Obviously I’d try, but you can’t force a guy to learn. I wouldn’t take his girl cause I don’t go after girls my buddies are into, but I can’t say having your girls consistently stolen from you by the same guy wouldn’t be a motivating factor to start listening to his advice lol

        Ideally I would teach a little brother or a son simply by leading by example and demonstrating solid behavior around women and lay the groundwork for him to become a Natural, rather than having to sit him down to watch Tyler videos lol


    • Jones
      on April 8, 2014 at 3:12 am
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      Playing the Capture the Queen move only works when you’re a king, she’s an actual queen, and you have a competent army at your disposal.

      The beta orbiters might be nice guys, but they’re still acting like tools, and they must be regarded as the somewhat incompetent, easily manipulated conscript peasant army that they are.

      Like George Kennan’s doctrine of communist containment, what really needs to happen is that the chick and the beta orbiters have to be contained. They spread the contagions that are the Beta Orbiter Fantasy and the Princess Cinderella Peasant Army Fantasy.

      I suggest not getting involved with an inevitable Bay of Pigs scenario.

      Instead, mark the territory on the map as contested, and work around it, literally as well as figuratively.

      The mistake the Would-Be Queen made is that she arrived with too much jewelry, for which she should be punished.

      In CH’s rendition of the events, the Would-Be Queen showed up wearing five pairs of beta orbiter balls as jewelry, and should be Nexted As Soon As Is Practical for committing an offence of decorum.

      Perhaps she will have a better time getting your attention when she isn’t wearing so much jewelry.

      Why bother with giving her that sixth pair of balls she seemingly wants?

      Re-frame the proceedings: she’s brought along her own entertainment for a self-serving girls’ night out.

      Oh, c’mon killer, you want to work the rest of that set, don’t you?

      [evil, sinister sneer]


      • YaReally
        on April 8, 2014 at 5:35 am
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        Mental masturbation.

        “and should be Nexted As Soon As Is Practical for committing an offence of decorum.”

        You can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked. This is all just rationalizing a fear of taking action to protect your ego from failing. It’s no different from the guy who won’t approach because “these girls aren’t my type” and “these girls are all sluts” etc.



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Yeah, yeah, fuck the betas and all that shit, but I’d like to know how you would go about informing such a tool of his toolery (if you just happened to be in a particular mood where you felt what the hell, let me try to untool this tool – even though he may not listen to a fuckin’ word of it). Order all the guys at the table some Shirley Temples? Tell him how the girl is tooling them when you see him alone? (Although writing a blog post about him (he may read it after all) does qualify as helping out)


  • YaReally
    on April 7, 2014 at 11:39 am
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    Take their girl.

    You’re cooler than them by default simply because they’re so low-value to her that they’re her orbiters, and you’re the bright shiny new object. Just ignore her and chat with them, then tease her when she tries to get your attention and she’ll choose you and demand more of your attention. If you choose her, they can “protect” her and kick your ass…but if she chooses you, there’s nothing they can do about it because she’ll defend you from them. All they can do is home and cry themselves to sleep, then Google “how do I get this one special girl I’m in love with??” and end up on their way to enlightenment lol

    [CH: the shiv is strong in this comment.]


    • YaReally
      on April 7, 2014 at 8:15 pm
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      This is doable but I’ve found that it results in the guys being way more aggressively protective not in that they try to kick my ass but in they get the girl the fuck away from me and make it extremely difficult to get any kind of further interaction with her.

      My method of befriending them slips in under their radars because I’m just being a cool guy ignoring her and chatting with them and interestingly when they realize she’s into me often they just back off entirely and slink off into the shadows almost as if they’re thinking “ahhh this guy is cooler than me, of course she likes him, it’s natural that they would get together :(” and basically let me have her which is trippy to read buuuut I rememeber a few times when I was an AFC where I was like “oh of course she likes the quarterback/bartender/good-looking guy/etc. I guess I’ll just hope one day she realizes I’m a Nicer Guy than him…”

      In an ideal world I like to try to give value so I would not just take their girl but I would try to set them up with other girls, like chat up a table of girls beside us and introduce them all and merge sets so that everyone wins, but that all depends on the logistics and such.

      More common is that I’ll determine which of the guys (there’s usually 1-3 of them depending on the size of the group) is the biggest threat in terms of alpha coolness and throw random girls passing by at them to keep them distracted. The lamer beta guys in the group I’ll try to set up just out of the kindness of my heart lol

      In the end there’s still a bit of butthurtness, but much less than if I went in bee-lining for the girl and tooled all her orbiters.


    • YaReally
      on April 7, 2014 at 8:20 pm
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      “Wouldn’t you feel a fraternal sense of duty to start introducing him to Game?”

      Obviously I’d try, but you can’t force a guy to learn. I wouldn’t take his girl cause I don’t go after girls my buddies are into, but I can’t say having your girls consistently stolen from you by the same guy wouldn’t be a motivating factor to start listening to his advice lol

      Ideally I would teach a little brother or a son simply by leading by example and demonstrating solid behavior around women and lay the groundwork for him to become a Natural, rather than having to sit him down to watch Tyler videos lol


    • YaReally
      on April 8, 2014 at 5:35 am
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      Mental masturbation.

      “and should be Nexted As Soon As Is Practical for committing an offence of decorum.”

      You can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked. This is all just rationalizing a fear of taking action to protect your ego from failing. It’s no different from the guy who won’t approach because “these girls aren’t my type” and “these girls are all sluts” etc.


    • YaReally
      on April 8, 2014 at 5:45 am
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      “some ways you can ‘throw random girls passing by at them to keep them distracted’?”

      I literally just take the first decent looking girl or girls that walk past us and stop them and go “HEY. You two need to meet. This is GuysName (point her at him), GuysName this is Sarah (I just make up a random female name).” and then turn my back, or do the same with her friends if there are more dudes, or just chat with her friends to give him and the girl some one-on-one time. Or if it’s just one dude and like a 3-set of girls comes by I do the same thing “HEY. This is GuysName. GuysName this is Sarah, Amanda, and Shaniqua (lol).” and let them sort it out.

      Generally the girls want to correct someone not knowing their proper name, so that gives the guy a little bit of a conversation topic and the girls sometimes give me shit for making up names etc., doesn’t matter, either way the end result is now we’re all in set together.

      Sometimes the girl will hesitate or whatever and you just frame control over it like this guy is the awesomest guy in the world she has to meet. “HEY. You two need to meet. No, shut up, this is GuysName, he’s awesome we go way back. GuysName this is Sarah, we used to date but I broke up with her because she’s shit in bed. Don’t be awkward Sarah, shake hands and say hi. This is where you shake her hand, GuysName.” and then i fuck off and let GuysName say “sorry, I don’t even know that guy” and they can bond over what an asshole I am lol Doesn’t matter, point is they’re in set together now.

      I don’t really help the guy much aside from giving him some isolation by talking to her friends, and like 90% of the time the dude loses the girl fast, but that doesn’t matter, because he usually doesn’t have enough game to even know he bombed the set…all he knows is he got to talk to a pretty girl which is something that never happens to him, and I was the reason that that magic event happened, so he loves me FOREVER. And if I do it a second time? Even if he only gets a 10 second interaction, I am a god to him and he’ll probably buy me a drink lol

      A cool guy will actually do well with the chick I throw at him, and that’s a win too. Everyone wins, the girls get to meet either a cool guy or a shy nice dude who’ll probably offer to buy her a drink. Spreadin’ good vibes all around.

      …and while they’re all having fun, I’m grabbing their queen’s # so I can stealth-txt/AMOG and meet up with her later, or I’m extracting her out of the bar.


    • YaReally
      on April 8, 2014 at 6:48 am
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      @Burninator
      “Here’s my boggle, you’re saying that you’re with a group of buds”

      What? No lol sorry, I was talking about when you see a queen bee walk in with her orbiter chodes. Like, they’re not your buddies. (ie – in my mind I’m CH or the bartender that rolled his eyes, etc., the outside guy who wants a group of orbiters’ queen bee).

      I could still intro an actual good buddy the same way to randoms, but I’d put a lot more effort into it if he was a buddy. If he’s just some random, I don’t care, I just want to get him in front of her and into a conversation and help give him enough one-on-one time with her to give me time to go back to his group’s queen bee to do my thing (usually if she came with 5 orbiters, they’re not gonna’ let her leave with a random guy so I’ll just grab a solid #-close and txt her where they have no idea her and I are communicating and I’ll tool them with stuff like “I don’t think your 5 boyfriends approved of me lol you’re such a player” etc.).



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“check the game literature for strategies and techniques detailing how to use a cute girl-friend as a pivot to other cute girls you have a realistic chance of sexing. Because that’s about the best use of a cute female buddy.”

Yes, this. Plus I think having a girl in an all guy group makes them look less creepy. Like anything else, the key is how they act toward her. My guy friends don’t kiss up to me.. in fact they treat me like one of the guys, busting me if I do something stupid like fall out of my shoes. A good test is whether you’re openly checking out/gaming other girls w her. If you don’t want to or if she’d get mad if you did, you’re just one of her admirers.


  • The Burninator
    on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm
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    ” Plus I think having a girl in an all guy group makes them look less creepy.”

    Ah Hay-soos Marimba Amy, here I was going on thinking you had a head on your shoulders. Then you went and said this.

    What especially is “creepy” about a group of guys at a bar hanging out, having fun and joking together over a beer? It’s how men have associated for centuries before women decided that they needed to be in the scene outside of the roll of barmaid, and it in no way made anybody “creepy”. In fact, I’m entirely uncertain how it does now either, even if they are hitting on the occasional chick that walks by.


    • Theodore Logan
      on April 7, 2014 at 1:29 pm
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      Every woman fantasizes about being gang raped don’t cha know!


      • Amy
        on April 7, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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        Lol I was wondering how long it would take to get to this. Now lets all sit back and wait for YaReally to tell me that deep down I want to be beaten senseless by pimps and have sex with dogs.

        [CH: as a general point about the nature of the sexes, no woman will admit to desiring a sexual depravity until a man she desires summons it from her.]


        • YaReally
          on April 7, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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          “[CH: as a general point about the nature of the sexes, no woman will admit to desiring a sexual depravity, not even to herself, until a man she desires summons it from her.]”

          FTFY.



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“check the game literature for strategies and techniques detailing how to use a cute girl-friend as a pivot to other cute girls you have a realistic chance of sexing. Because that’s about the best use of a cute female buddy.”

Yes, this. Plus I think having a girl in an all guy group makes them look less creepy. Like anything else, the key is how they act toward her. My guy friends don’t kiss up to me.. in fact they treat me like one of the guys, busting me if I do something stupid like fall out of my shoes. A good test is whether you’re openly checking out/gaming other girls w her. If you don’t want to or if she’d get mad if you did, you’re just one of her admirers.


  • The Burninator
    on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm
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    ” Plus I think having a girl in an all guy group makes them look less creepy.”

    Ah Hay-soos Marimba Amy, here I was going on thinking you had a head on your shoulders. Then you went and said this.

    What especially is “creepy” about a group of guys at a bar hanging out, having fun and joking together over a beer? It’s how men have associated for centuries before women decided that they needed to be in the scene outside of the roll of barmaid, and it in no way made anybody “creepy”. In fact, I’m entirely uncertain how it does now either, even if they are hitting on the occasional chick that walks by.


    • YaReally
      on April 7, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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      “[CH: as a general point about the nature of the sexes, no woman will admit to desiring a sexual depravity, not even to herself, until a man she desires summons it from her.]”

      FTFY.



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on April 8, 2014 at 7:23 am
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You ALWAYS want more women then men in any group – women are best when they are competing with other women, so you want to encourage that as much as possible. Having fewer men then women increases the competitive nature among the women – ideally 2 for 1 is what you shoot for so every guy has a couple of women vying for his attention.


  • YaReally
    on April 8, 2014 at 8:00 am
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    “You ALWAYS want more women then men in any group”

    Back in the day Adam Lyons had a rule that you don’t come out with him unless you bring 10 girls with you, ’cause that’s what he was bringing out. He worked as a club promoter and combined it with game to focus HEAVILY on entourage/social circle game and would do shit like use his connections he built through his game skills to arrange guest lists etc. and then have all his girls dress in a theme (like all of them wearing white to match his white suit etc.) and meet somewhere for pre-drinks then roll up to the bar as a huge group with him the center of the girls etc. Creative shit.


    • Grim
      on April 8, 2014 at 8:51 am
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      that will be really cool when he’s 38, 42, 45.. he getting any kind of education to fall back on?


      • YaReally
        on April 8, 2014 at 10:58 am
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        Not sure he needs to fall back on anything. Dude is basically an entrepreneur who built his own name up, started his own business teaching pickup, married himself a hot chick (considering he was a skinny D&D nerd), and I think it’s pretty safe to say that a guy who spent years rolling into high-end clubs with 10+ hot girls on his arms probably networked himself into close relationships with people who would help him accomplish whatever he decided he wanted to accomplish in the future. I don’t imagine it would be difficult for him to go back to school to become more educated if he felt like it.

        …but I’m sure he’s up late at night worried about whether a guy on the Internet thinks he’s cool lol



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You ALWAYS want more women then men in any group – women are best when they are competing with other women, so you want to encourage that as much as possible. Having fewer men then women increases the competitive nature among the women – ideally 2 for 1 is what you shoot for so every guy has a couple of women vying for his attention.


  • YaReally
    on April 8, 2014 at 8:00 am
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    “You ALWAYS want more women then men in any group”

    Back in the day Adam Lyons had a rule that you don’t come out with him unless you bring 10 girls with you, ’cause that’s what he was bringing out. He worked as a club promoter and combined it with game to focus HEAVILY on entourage/social circle game and would do shit like use his connections he built through his game skills to arrange guest lists etc. and then have all his girls dress in a theme (like all of them wearing white to match his white suit etc.) and meet somewhere for pre-drinks then roll up to the bar as a huge group with him the center of the girls etc. Creative shit.


    • YaReally
      on April 8, 2014 at 10:58 am
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      Not sure he needs to fall back on anything. Dude is basically an entrepreneur who built his own name up, started his own business teaching pickup, married himself a hot chick (considering he was a skinny D&D nerd), and I think it’s pretty safe to say that a guy who spent years rolling into high-end clubs with 10+ hot girls on his arms probably networked himself into close relationships with people who would help him accomplish whatever he decided he wanted to accomplish in the future. I don’t imagine it would be difficult for him to go back to school to become more educated if he felt like it.

      …but I’m sure he’s up late at night worried about whether a guy on the Internet thinks he’s cool lol



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Chris from Dublin
on April 6, 2014 at 4:33 pm
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It’s bad game when it doesn’t end in a fuck or a blowjob


  • whorefinder
    on April 6, 2014 at 5:39 pm
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    win.

    If you”re a celebridude and she has stars in her eyes, if she isn’t tasting your sperm within an hour, you have failed at life.


    • Chris from Dublin
      on April 6, 2014 at 7:48 pm
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      Correct

      I’m a penniless nobody and if it’s not bj + full fuck on first go, I move on


      • driveallnight
        on April 6, 2014 at 8:45 pm
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        Gay game: “Nice shirt. Let’s fuck.”


        • Canadian Friend
          on April 6, 2014 at 9:08 pm
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          Gay game: “Nice shirt. Let’s fuck.”

          From what I have heard “lets fuck” is usually enough


          • YaReally
            on April 7, 2014 at 6:29 am
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            “Being gay is like being a woman, as long as you are not hideous, you can get sex.”

            RSDTyler makes a good point about reasons for getting into game and reasons to focus on self-development along with learning external game. To paraphrase:

            “You get into game thinking if you can learn to seduce women and get laid anytime you want, that that’s going to make you happy and feel complete. What if you could get laid anytime you want, easily, and basically have sex on demand from new partners with practically no effort at all? Think you’d be happy then? Well, two types of people already have that: women, and gay dudes. Are all the women and gay dudes you know happy and complete and loving their lives? Fuck no. Getting laid isn’t going to solve anything for you, you have to actually work on other aspects of your life if you want to be happy and feel complete.”

            It’s a good point, though not really relevant when you first get into game…the motivation of just slaying poon is a good motivator for getting through those first couple years of getting your ass handed to you. After that though, you have to start working on the rest of your life.



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YaReally
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Lazy sloppy game. Every girl wants to feel like a special unique snowflake, even if she’s some random 17yo who hasn’t done anything with her life except sprout tits and you’re an accomplished celebrity.

He had Attraction because he’s James Franco, but he didn’t bother to even try to get a little Comfort/Rapport (and it wouldn’t have taken much), so her ASD won’t let her do it.

This is the same thing that happens to a lot of intermediate PUAs when they first start collecting mass amounts of phone numbers and go out and open 20 sets, come out with 15 numbers, and then those numbers all flake. They were running flash game that got them Attraction, but Attraction doesn’t get you laid, Comfort does. So none of those 15 girls feels “special” and the guy gets 15 flakes until he learns that he needs to start adding Comfort/Rapport, qualifying/screening, etc. to his game.

Same time, he’s James Franco, so I’m sure he has no fucks to give and was probably taking a shit while txting this chick and has a dozen other girls banging on the door ready to suck his dick.

But it’s a good lesson for guys that a lot of stuff society deems high-value like looks, money, fame, muscles, height, etc. DO get you Attention, and that’s usually pretty easy to turn into Attraction, but you can still lose the lay if you don’t understand Comfort/Rapport…even if you’re an A-list celebrity like Franco.

This kind of thing is also why I view myself as the highest value man in the room at all times…am I, objectively, by society’s socially conditioned value-system? Fuck no, definitely not lol But I believe that I’m more capable than basically every other man in the room of giving women the seductive and sexual experience they crave and respond to, and that a lot of guys with society’s version of “high-value” spent too much time earning that high-value to bother learning tight game and in one-on-one situations with girls, I’ll probably come out on top more consistently.

Juggler Method is probably the best resource for learning about Comfort/Rapport for guys interested in learning more.



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whorefinder
on April 6, 2014 at 5:10 pm
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This is exactly what I’ve said for a very long time.

I saw the same thing with Tiger Woods. Remember the Tiger Woods/cheating fiasco? Yeah, when his text messages came out, they were so pathetic, you could actually hear the vaginas of the 8-9s he banged drying up, but then their hamster shouting them wet again with : “he’s freaking Tiger Woods!” Go read them, they really are chillingly uber-beta.

And Tiger’s not a rare bird by famous dudes’ standards.

Having lived in NYC for a while (where you can and do randomly run into celebrities when you’re out on the town) and having some acquaintances in the film/television/cathedral-porpaganda-entertainment industry (note, I didn’t know the actual stars, but some associate producers/film festival workers/high-end catering wait staff/fresh young hot interns)—well, I’ve heard and see this so often, it’s cliche to me now: celebrity dudes have absolutely NO game, and completely rely on their fame as social proof.

I think the reason a 3rd rate celebrity like Scott Baio cleaned up for so long was because he was the one eyed man in the land of the blind—the stories I’ve heard from girls about how a celebrity dude acted to hit on them would make them hit the “creepy” button if the guy weren’t on Dawson’s Crack..

I hear the Dark Lords’ argument that perhaps celebridudes’ game just atrophies due to the free pussy fame gets them, but I think its a bit different. Celebrity comes at so high a price these days that you need an incredible drive to make it to a big time movie or television star or music star or sports star.

The price is so high no one here would pay it—plastic surgery, steroids, heavy drugs, life of poverty for decades, loneliness, constantly working and denying yourself pleasure, dealing with an industry of child molesters and people with mental diseases, the emptiness of the work—-and, even more messed up, many of these straight dudes have to go gay to get a part part. John Travolta ranted about this to a masseuse he later came on to (“I wasn’t even gay when I started! I had to do this to get parts!”). Remember that the next time you see some random dude get a major push by an entertainment industry—he probably let more than a few of the Gay Mafia have their way with him. (Sports are not ruled by the Gay Mafia (yet), but all the other conditions apply).

Anyway, the main point is: what would cause a man to throw aside all dignity, all pride, all self-respect, and compete single-mindedly for such a distant chance for fame? An extreme need for pussy, that’s what. And what would cause that need? Being so damn awful with women that they’re almost literally repelled by your game—so that such fame was, in their minds, the ONLY way to get laid.

I truly do believe that most straight celebritdudes were so bad with girls IRL that it drove them to surmount the incredible obstacles to become famous so they could finally get laid. Only to realize now that a year reading Heartiste would have been worth the 15 they spent sucking gay cock, washing dishes, and delivering cocaine to the producer.

Also, Franco in particular is outed as a weirdo even by actor standards. Even after his mega-fame hit, he decided (as a meta-joke) to guest star for a while on a major daytime soap opera. He seems to be try-harding to be a Bill Murray-gadfly-I-show-up-everywhere Zelig; but, as a try-hard, it just comes off creepy. Like The Greatest Beta.

Callback rape!


  • YaReally
    on April 7, 2014 at 3:37 am
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    “to guest star for a while on a major daytime soap opera”

    There are actually very important lessons on game (specifically eye-contact, vocal tonality/speed, body language, takeaways, qualifying/cold-reading, leading, vulnerability, etc.) in his General Hospital performance, specifically the clips I’m linking below.

    It looks like he very purposely went over the top with his performance in it, hamming up the intense seductiveness of his character, but in doing so he actually accidentally provided an extremely useful teaching example of solid seduction game (primarily for the Comfort and Seduction stages, not so much Attraction tho you can apply a lot of it to that too). As I get older my game is gravitating more toward “searing hot coal intensity” VS “raging bushfire shotgun blast”, where I zero in on a girl with low intense energy rather than working large groups with high-energy.

    Before watching the General Hospital clips, watch these two videos:

    27:00 – 38:27 in this Gambler clip:

    And this entire fucking video lol:

    Then watch for the principles these guys were talking about (locking eye-contact, slowing down how you talk and going into a bedroom voice, no dancing monkey body movements, creating a bubble, cutting space, etc.), in Franco’s performance on GH. You can see him blatantly taking those things to the extreme, and it’s silly to us as men to see it…but the women watching this shit cream themselves over it because they’ve experienced similar shit in real life and he’s just amping it up over the top:

    This is a great style of game for older guys and naturally low-energy guys. You could be chilling at a pub/lounge solo and strike up a conversation with with the woman beside you and run this kind of thing and build sexual attraction ridiculously fast.

    Also I like this clip. It’s Dave Franco interviewing James Franco and it’s interesting to see the difference in their vibes. Dave is more of a dancing monkey approval seeking type, and James is more rock-solid. Dave tries to fill silences with nervous chatter and glances all around, James is cool with letting the conversation drop into silence while he just stares the other person down:

    You can also see in that clip that he messes with a Steve Jobs style intense eye-contact where he tries to convince his brother to do things and just kind of flips on hard eye-contact with a “do it. say it. do it.” intensity, basically getting self-amusement out of applying pressure to someone else. He does it to him at 2:00 into this clip:

    Watch his eyes when he says “Sniff it. (YOU sniff it) You sniff it.”, they’re locked on with laser intensity trying to pressure Dave.

    It’s the same thing Robbie Williams does in this clip at 1:30:

    With this eye-contact thing, the key I’m finding is that cutting the space is what builds the actual sexual tension. Like you can hold solid eye-contact, and that’s confident and attractive, sure, but it’s once you take a step forward or lean forward and start closing the gap, that’s when the girl’s hamster goes into overdrive. Notice how Gambler up above steps forward when the girl is talking about her trip to Japan and the closer he gets the more she loses it. Same with Robbie, he leans forward closing the gap and the tension goes through the roof so hard that even the girls in the background are freaking out…and then he suddenly pulls away and turns it off, only to go back in again.

    Anyway, so there’s a bit of a defense of James Franco in general since we’re all shitting on his actual game right now. You can learn bits and pieces of game from sometimes unlikely sources like a hammy daytime soap opera performance if you keep your mind open lol

    Props to anyone who actually watches all this shit I just linked. It’ll open up a new area of game to you to play with that traditional PUA stuff doesn’t really touch on (in fact a lot of PUA theory is based around avoiding too much eye-contact to seem aloof and high-value so I’ve had to unwire those habits to rewire this intense eye-contact style into my brain). Part of why I don’t post as much now is that I’m experimenting with this stuff and adapting it into my game and while the results have been really fucking interesting, I don’t want to really post about it in-depth until I can break it down into something concise and teachable so you can just read it and be like “oh, shit, that makes sense, and here are some exercises to try”.


    • kant
      on April 7, 2014 at 8:05 am
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      YaReally, I’m a naturally low energy artsy guy (girls always comment on how quiet I am and that it drives them crazy) and even though I’ve studied RSD and your stuff in depth for the general principles this is basically the style of game I actually run.

      You should really take a look at 60 years of challenge–he basically wrote the textbook on this game style. It’s incredibly powerful stuff IF your internals are solid. A newbie would look creepy as fuck doing this.

      My buddy runs awesome RSD style game, we hit up college bars and parties together in NYC and his style isn’t any more effective than mine, even though by common sense you’d probably assume that RSD / frat star style game would work better with younger girls.


      • YaReally
        on April 7, 2014 at 8:44 am
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        @kant
        “You should really take a look at 60 years of challenge–he basically wrote the textbook on this game style.”

        Interesting, I’ll check it out. I’ve heard of him, but he came after my main community years so I just figured it was the usual “repackage oldschool PUA to sell a product” stuff.

        “My buddy runs awesome RSD style game, we hit up college bars and parties together in NYC and his style isn’t any more effective than mine, even though by common sense you’d probably assume that RSD / frat star style game would work better with younger girls.”

        Right, there’s a lot of nuances going on. I’m finding even within the intense searing coal style, there’s a lot to calibrate for consistent results…like I think a lot of guys use it to go super direct, but they end up triggering a lot of ASD that way because it’s just so much so fast. I’m doing kind of an indirect sexual game mixed with direct eye-contact/intent…not sure how to explain it quite yet, I have a PUA buddy here and we’re both experimenting with it (he has an even lower energy style game than I do) and comparing notes etc. Best way I can describe it so far is that it’s almost a push/pull combination, where you’re pushing her away with your verbals by being indirect and disqualifying her, but pulling her with your eye-contact, vocal tonality, etc. so that she’s kind of confused about whether you like her or not and she ends up choosing you because she wants to solve the mystery VS being totally indirect like oldschool PUA and risking seeming like you don’t have a dick, or being totally direct like a lot of direct game guys have been doing and risking scaring them off.

        I’ll do up a big explanation of it all down the road, I figure it’ll be a few more months of experimenting still and it’s really just expanding on the Gambler/Liam stuff up above. I think RSD style would be better in the clubs, but this is great for lower energy venues like bars/pubs and situations where a girl is required to spend time interacting with you (work, school, social circle stuff like house parties, hired guns like waitresses, strippers, etc.).

        “It’s incredibly powerful stuff IF your internals are solid. A newbie would look creepy as fuck doing this.”

        One of the interesting things my buddy and I have concluded is that this style we’re experimenting with wouldn’t have been useful when we started out because we didn’t have solid internals. We head out with some younger guys who are still in the newbie stage and they’re great guys, fun, get a lot of Attraction, but they don’t have the solid “oak tree” core to back up running this stuff and would, like you say, look creepy as fuck or just weird the girls out.

        Anyway, thanks for the recommendation, I’ll definitely check 60 out. I’m looking into anything that feeds into this style right now and seeing what I can cherry pick and experiment with.


        • kant
          on April 7, 2014 at 9:27 am
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          @YaReally

          You pretty much describe it perfectly. I usually ask open ended chodey questions and look at her with a poker face while she qualifies, and I can get away with this because I’m gaming her physically rather than verbally. Every once in a while I’ll look away, act aloof and give her some light teasing, but its mostly for variety. 60 mentions that one of the best things about this is that you can’t be accused of “hitting on her”, since all you’re really doing is amping up the sexual tension. And everyone around can feel it but they don’t know what’s happening.

          Actually when Gambler came out with his stealth attraction stuff a lot of old 60 fans felt he was ripping him off. I think 60 is great but he never managed to achieve the mainstream success guys like Tyler and Gambler have.

          As for the club, one thing that helps me there is that I actually really like dancing. If you’ve ever seen an alpha guy at the club dancing in a way that he’s not moving that much but still looking cooler than the guys going crazy and taking up the room, that’s pretty much my style. Approaching girls from there is fairly easy.


          • YaReally
            on April 7, 2014 at 10:48 am
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            @kant
            “Actually when Gambler came out with his stealth attraction stuff a lot of old 60 fans felt he was ripping him off.”

            Interesting. Was not aware of this at all. Gambler/Liam’s live demos were the convincing part for me. If I had just read about them I don’t think it would’ve had the impact, but seeing them demo’ed a few times aligned with things I’ve experienced in the field and while I was executing this by fluke now and then before, now I’m focusing on very consciously applying it.

            “60 mentions that one of the best things about this is that you can’t be accused of “hitting on her”, since all you’re really doing is amping up the sexual tension. And everyone around can feel it but they don’t know what’s happening.”

            Right, that’s what we’ve been running into. We’re basically being indirectly sexual (so we talk about sexual topics/stories that show we have open non-judgemental attitudes toward sex, but haven’t actually chosen her yet), while amping up the tension to where she chooses/chases us and helps arrange her own isolation.

            “As for the club, one thing that helps me there is that I actually really like dancing.”

            lol ya I don’t dance, my game is primarily verbal so that’s why I’m messing with this stuff. At 30+ doing high-fives and spins feels incongruent to me. My verbal game was always sharp, but there was still a lot of inconsistencies going on because it would take a few things to align by fluke to get that huge sexual chemistry quickly…but now I’m purposely grabbing those things and forcing them to align each time.

            Will definitely check out 60′s stuff now, thanks for the heads-up.



James Franco’s Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Text Game

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Chris from Dublin
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It’s bad game when it doesn’t end in a fuck or a blowjob


  • whorefinder
    on April 6, 2014 at 5:39 pm
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    win.

    If you”re a celebridude and she has stars in her eyes, if she isn’t tasting your sperm within an hour, you have failed at life.


    • YaReally
      on April 7, 2014 at 6:29 am
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      “Being gay is like being a woman, as long as you are not hideous, you can get sex.”

      RSDTyler makes a good point about reasons for getting into game and reasons to focus on self-development along with learning external game. To paraphrase:

      “You get into game thinking if you can learn to seduce women and get laid anytime you want, that that’s going to make you happy and feel complete. What if you could get laid anytime you want, easily, and basically have sex on demand from new partners with practically no effort at all? Think you’d be happy then? Well, two types of people already have that: women, and gay dudes. Are all the women and gay dudes you know happy and complete and loving their lives? Fuck no. Getting laid isn’t going to solve anything for you, you have to actually work on other aspects of your life if you want to be happy and feel complete.”

      It’s a good point, though not really relevant when you first get into game…the motivation of just slaying poon is a good motivator for getting through those first couple years of getting your ass handed to you. After that though, you have to start working on the rest of your life.



James Franco’s Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Text Game

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YaReally
on April 6, 2014 at 4:40 pm
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Lazy sloppy game. Every girl wants to feel like a special unique snowflake, even if she’s some random 17yo who hasn’t done anything with her life except sprout tits and you’re an accomplished celebrity.

He had Attraction because he’s James Franco, but he didn’t bother to even try to get a little Comfort/Rapport (and it wouldn’t have taken much), so her ASD won’t let her do it.

This is the same thing that happens to a lot of intermediate PUAs when they first start collecting mass amounts of phone numbers and go out and open 20 sets, come out with 15 numbers, and then those numbers all flake. They were running flash game that got them Attraction, but Attraction doesn’t get you laid, Comfort does. So none of those 15 girls feels “special” and the guy gets 15 flakes until he learns that he needs to start adding Comfort/Rapport, qualifying/screening, etc. to his game.

Same time, he’s James Franco, so I’m sure he has no fucks to give and was probably taking a shit while txting this chick and has a dozen other girls banging on the door ready to suck his dick.

But it’s a good lesson for guys that a lot of stuff society deems high-value like looks, money, fame, muscles, height, etc. DO get you Attention, and that’s usually pretty easy to turn into Attraction, but you can still lose the lay if you don’t understand Comfort/Rapport…even if you’re an A-list celebrity like Franco.

This kind of thing is also why I view myself as the highest value man in the room at all times…am I, objectively, by society’s socially conditioned value-system? Fuck no, definitely not lol But I believe that I’m more capable than basically every other man in the room of giving women the seductive and sexual experience they crave and respond to, and that a lot of guys with society’s version of “high-value” spent too much time earning that high-value to bother learning tight game and in one-on-one situations with girls, I’ll probably come out on top more consistently.

Juggler Method is probably the best resource for learning about Comfort/Rapport for guys interested in learning more.



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whorefinder
on April 6, 2014 at 5:10 pm
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This is exactly what I’ve said for a very long time.

I saw the same thing with Tiger Woods. Remember the Tiger Woods/cheating fiasco? Yeah, when his text messages came out, they were so pathetic, you could actually hear the vaginas of the 8-9s he banged drying up, but then their hamster shouting them wet again with : “he’s freaking Tiger Woods!” Go read them, they really are chillingly uber-beta.

And Tiger’s not a rare bird by famous dudes’ standards.

Having lived in NYC for a while (where you can and do randomly run into celebrities when you’re out on the town) and having some acquaintances in the film/television/cathedral-porpaganda-entertainment industry (note, I didn’t know the actual stars, but some associate producers/film festival workers/high-end catering wait staff/fresh young hot interns)—well, I’ve heard and see this so often, it’s cliche to me now: celebrity dudes have absolutely NO game, and completely rely on their fame as social proof.

I think the reason a 3rd rate celebrity like Scott Baio cleaned up for so long was because he was the one eyed man in the land of the blind—the stories I’ve heard from girls about how a celebrity dude acted to hit on them would make them hit the “creepy” button if the guy weren’t on Dawson’s Crack..

I hear the Dark Lords’ argument that perhaps celebridudes’ game just atrophies due to the free pussy fame gets them, but I think its a bit different. Celebrity comes at so high a price these days that you need an incredible drive to make it to a big time movie or television star or music star or sports star.

The price is so high no one here would pay it—plastic surgery, steroids, heavy drugs, life of poverty for decades, loneliness, constantly working and denying yourself pleasure, dealing with an industry of child molesters and people with mental diseases, the emptiness of the work—-and, even more messed up, many of these straight dudes have to go gay to get a part part. John Travolta ranted about this to a masseuse he later came on to (“I wasn’t even gay when I started! I had to do this to get parts!”). Remember that the next time you see some random dude get a major push by an entertainment industry—he probably let more than a few of the Gay Mafia have their way with him. (Sports are not ruled by the Gay Mafia (yet), but all the other conditions apply).

Anyway, the main point is: what would cause a man to throw aside all dignity, all pride, all self-respect, and compete single-mindedly for such a distant chance for fame? An extreme need for pussy, that’s what. And what would cause that need? Being so damn awful with women that they’re almost literally repelled by your game—so that such fame was, in their minds, the ONLY way to get laid.

I truly do believe that most straight celebritdudes were so bad with girls IRL that it drove them to surmount the incredible obstacles to become famous so they could finally get laid. Only to realize now that a year reading Heartiste would have been worth the 15 they spent sucking gay cock, washing dishes, and delivering cocaine to the producer.

Also, Franco in particular is outed as a weirdo even by actor standards. Even after his mega-fame hit, he decided (as a meta-joke) to guest star for a while on a major daytime soap opera. He seems to be try-harding to be a Bill Murray-gadfly-I-show-up-everywhere Zelig; but, as a try-hard, it just comes off creepy. Like The Greatest Beta.

Callback rape!


  • YaReally
    on April 7, 2014 at 3:37 am
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    “to guest star for a while on a major daytime soap opera”

    There are actually very important lessons on game (specifically eye-contact, vocal tonality/speed, body language, takeaways, qualifying/cold-reading, leading, vulnerability, etc.) in his General Hospital performance, specifically the clips I’m linking below.

    It looks like he very purposely went over the top with his performance in it, hamming up the intense seductiveness of his character, but in doing so he actually accidentally provided an extremely useful teaching example of solid seduction game (primarily for the Comfort and Seduction stages, not so much Attraction tho you can apply a lot of it to that too). As I get older my game is gravitating more toward “searing hot coal intensity” VS “raging bushfire shotgun blast”, where I zero in on a girl with low intense energy rather than working large groups with high-energy.

    Before watching the General Hospital clips, watch these two videos:

    27:00 – 38:27 in this Gambler clip:

    And this entire fucking video lol:

    Then watch for the principles these guys were talking about (locking eye-contact, slowing down how you talk and going into a bedroom voice, no dancing monkey body movements, creating a bubble, cutting space, etc.), in Franco’s performance on GH. You can see him blatantly taking those things to the extreme, and it’s silly to us as men to see it…but the women watching this shit cream themselves over it because they’ve experienced similar shit in real life and he’s just amping it up over the top:

    This is a great style of game for older guys and naturally low-energy guys. You could be chilling at a pub/lounge solo and strike up a conversation with with the woman beside you and run this kind of thing and build sexual attraction ridiculously fast.

    Also I like this clip. It’s Dave Franco interviewing James Franco and it’s interesting to see the difference in their vibes. Dave is more of a dancing monkey approval seeking type, and James is more rock-solid. Dave tries to fill silences with nervous chatter and glances all around, James is cool with letting the conversation drop into silence while he just stares the other person down:

    You can also see in that clip that he messes with a Steve Jobs style intense eye-contact where he tries to convince his brother to do things and just kind of flips on hard eye-contact with a “do it. say it. do it.” intensity, basically getting self-amusement out of applying pressure to someone else. He does it to him at 2:00 into this clip:

    Watch his eyes when he says “Sniff it. (YOU sniff it) You sniff it.”, they’re locked on with laser intensity trying to pressure Dave.

    It’s the same thing Robbie Williams does in this clip at 1:30:

    With this eye-contact thing, the key I’m finding is that cutting the space is what builds the actual sexual tension. Like you can hold solid eye-contact, and that’s confident and attractive, sure, but it’s once you take a step forward or lean forward and start closing the gap, that’s when the girl’s hamster goes into overdrive. Notice how Gambler up above steps forward when the girl is talking about her trip to Japan and the closer he gets the more she loses it. Same with Robbie, he leans forward closing the gap and the tension goes through the roof so hard that even the girls in the background are freaking out…and then he suddenly pulls away and turns it off, only to go back in again.

    Anyway, so there’s a bit of a defense of James Franco in general since we’re all shitting on his actual game right now. You can learn bits and pieces of game from sometimes unlikely sources like a hammy daytime soap opera performance if you keep your mind open lol

    Props to anyone who actually watches all this shit I just linked. It’ll open up a new area of game to you to play with that traditional PUA stuff doesn’t really touch on (in fact a lot of PUA theory is based around avoiding too much eye-contact to seem aloof and high-value so I’ve had to unwire those habits to rewire this intense eye-contact style into my brain). Part of why I don’t post as much now is that I’m experimenting with this stuff and adapting it into my game and while the results have been really fucking interesting, I don’t want to really post about it in-depth until I can break it down into something concise and teachable so you can just read it and be like “oh, shit, that makes sense, and here are some exercises to try”.


    • YaReally
      on April 7, 2014 at 8:44 am
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      @kant
      “You should really take a look at 60 years of challenge–he basically wrote the textbook on this game style.”

      Interesting, I’ll check it out. I’ve heard of him, but he came after my main community years so I just figured it was the usual “repackage oldschool PUA to sell a product” stuff.

      “My buddy runs awesome RSD style game, we hit up college bars and parties together in NYC and his style isn’t any more effective than mine, even though by common sense you’d probably assume that RSD / frat star style game would work better with younger girls.”

      Right, there’s a lot of nuances going on. I’m finding even within the intense searing coal style, there’s a lot to calibrate for consistent results…like I think a lot of guys use it to go super direct, but they end up triggering a lot of ASD that way because it’s just so much so fast. I’m doing kind of an indirect sexual game mixed with direct eye-contact/intent…not sure how to explain it quite yet, I have a PUA buddy here and we’re both experimenting with it (he has an even lower energy style game than I do) and comparing notes etc. Best way I can describe it so far is that it’s almost a push/pull combination, where you’re pushing her away with your verbals by being indirect and disqualifying her, but pulling her with your eye-contact, vocal tonality, etc. so that she’s kind of confused about whether you like her or not and she ends up choosing you because she wants to solve the mystery VS being totally indirect like oldschool PUA and risking seeming like you don’t have a dick, or being totally direct like a lot of direct game guys have been doing and risking scaring them off.

      I’ll do up a big explanation of it all down the road, I figure it’ll be a few more months of experimenting still and it’s really just expanding on the Gambler/Liam stuff up above. I think RSD style would be better in the clubs, but this is great for lower energy venues like bars/pubs and situations where a girl is required to spend time interacting with you (work, school, social circle stuff like house parties, hired guns like waitresses, strippers, etc.).

      “It’s incredibly powerful stuff IF your internals are solid. A newbie would look creepy as fuck doing this.”

      One of the interesting things my buddy and I have concluded is that this style we’re experimenting with wouldn’t have been useful when we started out because we didn’t have solid internals. We head out with some younger guys who are still in the newbie stage and they’re great guys, fun, get a lot of Attraction, but they don’t have the solid “oak tree” core to back up running this stuff and would, like you say, look creepy as fuck or just weird the girls out.

      Anyway, thanks for the recommendation, I’ll definitely check 60 out. I’m looking into anything that feeds into this style right now and seeing what I can cherry pick and experiment with.


    • YaReally
      on April 7, 2014 at 10:48 am
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      @kant
      “Actually when Gambler came out with his stealth attraction stuff a lot of old 60 fans felt he was ripping him off.”

      Interesting. Was not aware of this at all. Gambler/Liam’s live demos were the convincing part for me. If I had just read about them I don’t think it would’ve had the impact, but seeing them demo’ed a few times aligned with things I’ve experienced in the field and while I was executing this by fluke now and then before, now I’m focusing on very consciously applying it.

      “60 mentions that one of the best things about this is that you can’t be accused of “hitting on her”, since all you’re really doing is amping up the sexual tension. And everyone around can feel it but they don’t know what’s happening.”

      Right, that’s what we’ve been running into. We’re basically being indirectly sexual (so we talk about sexual topics/stories that show we have open non-judgemental attitudes toward sex, but haven’t actually chosen her yet), while amping up the tension to where she chooses/chases us and helps arrange her own isolation.

      “As for the club, one thing that helps me there is that I actually really like dancing.”

      lol ya I don’t dance, my game is primarily verbal so that’s why I’m messing with this stuff. At 30+ doing high-fives and spins feels incongruent to me. My verbal game was always sharp, but there was still a lot of inconsistencies going on because it would take a few things to align by fluke to get that huge sexual chemistry quickly…but now I’m purposely grabbing those things and forcing them to align each time.

      Will definitely check out 60’s stuff now, thanks for the heads-up.



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dickmojo
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To the author of email #5: also, get full sleeve tattoos on your arms. Get a sharp edgy haircut and keep it sharp by going back to the same hairdresser every 3 weeks. Get massage and acupuncture every week and take herbal medicine, in addition to the supplements you take for your weightlifting activities. Get a twitter account and try to write a new cocky/funny joke on it every day. Finally, treat one cute girl/some cute girls you know like your little sister, and never try a move on them. Even turn down their moves on you, tell them you think she’s adorable but you don’t see her in that way. She will become the most rock solid social proof for future nights out etc.


  • Christopher Yeabsley
    on April 4, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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    Lol acupuncture.

    Get your stars read, or just follow the astrologer in the newspaper.

    Remember; if alternative medicine worked- it wouldn’t be alternative, it would just be medicine.


    • thrust
      on April 4, 2014 at 7:55 pm
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      Fuck sleeve tats. try hard


      • Anonymous
        on April 4, 2014 at 9:43 pm
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        Plus the girls attracted to them are skanks.


        • dickmojo
          on April 6, 2014 at 5:51 am
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          Which type of girls are you going for? Trust me, where I’m from, i.e. Sydney Australia, tight young hotties of the ages between 18~24 ADORE guys with muscular bodies and arm-tattoos.

          Maybe older, more worn out, jaded women, sick of the riding cock carousel, looking to take advantage of a simple earnest hard-working beta, wouldn’t be necessarily attracted to brawny bad bad with big inked biceps, but I maintain that they young hot ones, i.e. the ones I want to fuck, are, at least in my area, wide-eyed, spread-labia attracted to such men.

          Now, the question originally was, what is the most “bang for buck” strategy in the modern mating market, and I believe that this is a pretty high value play. People treat you differently when you have really high quality artwork permanently etched onto visible parts of your body, and I don’t expect you to understand in what way unless you’ve experienced it yourself, but nevertheless, especially when it comes to the hottest, most beautiful and desirable young women, its unmistakable.

          Nevertheless I wouldn’t recommend it for that reason alone. I myself pursue tattooing because I believe I acquire archetypal power from the artwork that adorns me. I gain the spiritual essence of the animal totems that attach to me.

          Its no coincidence that tattooing is the oldest and most superstition bound art form that is practiced by man today. The earliest known distinctly European men to have lived themselves were adorned with tattoos, which they apparently believed granted them spiritual power and protection, and it is a shockingly shallow, simple thinker who so glibly disregards such ancient wisdom and lore.


    • dickmojo
      on April 6, 2014 at 5:38 am
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      Your comment makes no sense. If some one is sick, they need medicine. However, nowhere did I say anything about being sick or needing medicine. The idea of Taoist health and wellbeing enhancement methods isn’t to treat disease or to be “medicine”, rather is to increase one’s “qi” or life-force.

      Now, whether you believe in qi or not is a philosophical question, much like whether you believe in God or not, or whether you believe in the Jedi “force” or not. But it is NOT a scientific question or medical question, and it is preposterously pig-headed to treat it like it is.

      If you choose not to avail yourself of the methods and techniques of the ancient Taoists, Lore which has been passed down over thousands of years and thus is proven to be efficacious by the test of time, that’s fine.

      But don’t delude yourself or pretend that you know what you’re talking about in such matters, because you don’t.

      I personally have gained tremendous benefit from utilising such ancient and effective methods for over a decade, but I won’t try to convince you to try it.

      Because, if we ever compete for the same girl in the real world, the vibrant, unmistakably powerful life force which emanates from my body will be in stark contrast to the bitter, pathetic, pitiful life-force that you possess; to my advantage.


      • YaReally
        on April 6, 2014 at 12:46 pm
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        “Because, if we ever compete for the same girl in the real world, the vibrant, unmistakably powerful life force which emanates from my body will be in stark contrast to the bitter, pathetic, pitiful life-force that you possess; to my advantage.”

        I want to make fun of you, but really this is a good example of self-placebo, strong frame control/belief, and the concepts of “what you feel, she feels” and “the strongest frame wins”.

        It’s the exact same mechanic that makes a guy feel good when he buys a new shirt, or makes a girl feel good when she buys a new pair of shoes. The only real difference is that you have thousands of years of hype behind your concept whereas manipulative advertising that convinces us we’re incomplete if we don’t have the newest latest merchandise is a fairly recent development.

        The interesting thing, though, is that is really can work in terms of you getting results, but not for some spiritual voodoo reasons…it’s just a series of game/psychology mechanics in action:

        - you believe having X makes you higher-value
        - you have a strong belief in this, so you have a strong frame on the subject
        - girls have weak frames in general
        - girls ping off their environment to determine how they should feel about things
        - you interact with a girl believing having X makes you higher-value
        - she may not initially think so, but her frame is weak
        - she pings off her environment and encounters your stronger frame
        - people always fall into the strongest frame
        - so in the end she falls into your strong frame that you having X makes you higher-value, so she legitimately believes you’re higher-value, purely because you do

        If you could take that exact same frame and just transport it to a different part of your life, like that money makes you higher-value or having a nice car makes you higher-value, or even a ridiculous notion like having a bald spot makes you higher-value or being short makes you higher-value or having a small penis makes you higher-value, the exact same domino effect of principles would execute and you would be higher-value to the girl for your small penis.

        This is why it’s a bad idea to attach your internal self-worth to fleeting external things, like your looks or your money or your hair or your nice car, basically anything that can be taken away from you…because if you lose your money, or you grow a bald spot, or you get old and mother nature naturally takes away your youthful good looks, your self-worth is crippled because you no longer have the thing you conditioned yourself to believe was responsible for your high-value.

        And it’s again why PUAs encourage advanced guys to start approaching girls while dressed like shit and to tell them you work at McDonalds and try to self-sabotage yourself while sarging…because over time you’ll have bits of success that start to add up and you’ll realize that none of that shit matters, your value is inherently internal and when you fully understand that, it can’t be taken away from you no matter what your external circumstances are.

        So while you sound silly to me, it’s irrelevant because the end result for you is that your super strong belief in this really DOES affect your results. If you had as strong a belief that your tattoos made you low-value as you do that they make you high-value, you would find that women would ping off your beliefs and fall into that frame and legitimately be less attracted to you.

        That’s why being a man is awesome. For a woman to increase her value, she has to diet, exercise, do her makeup, hair, nails, buy the right clothes etc. etc. It’s a long slow expensive process and she can only ever max her specific genetic potential out, not every girl can physically become a Megan Fox.

        But as a man, you could literally be the highest-value man in any room right now. Instantly. If you could switch your mindset to fully 100% believe that everything about you is amazing and awesome and makes you the highest-value man in the room, you would actually BE that to women even though 10 seconds ago you looked exactly like you still do with your new mindset.

        But we generally can’t just switch our entire wiring over like that and on top of that we have social conditioning CONSTANTLY barraging us with messages trying to keep us in the fucked up wiring of hating ourselves and feeling incomplete because that’s how we keep people buying products and working to earn more money etc.. So we have to actively and personally work to tackle it in bits and pieces over time and solidify our new belief/value system until we eventually get there and it’s very easy to get sidetracked or fall back into old mindsets until you’ve gathered enough reference experience to solidify them enough that they ARE your new reality.

        P.S. For the record: if you were in my set with your life-force energy, I would lift up my shirt and draw a dinosaur on my beer belly while you’re blabbing about animal totems and tell girls that I can make him roar if I suck in my gut and then put their hands on it to make the dinosaur eat their hands. lol



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dickmojo
on April 4, 2014 at 4:29 pm
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To the author of email #5: also, get full sleeve tattoos on your arms. Get a sharp edgy haircut and keep it sharp by going back to the same hairdresser every 3 weeks. Get massage and acupuncture every week and take herbal medicine, in addition to the supplements you take for your weightlifting activities. Get a twitter account and try to write a new cocky/funny joke on it every day. Finally, treat one cute girl/some cute girls you know like your little sister, and never try a move on them. Even turn down their moves on you, tell them you think she’s adorable but you don’t see her in that way. She will become the most rock solid social proof for future nights out etc.


  • Christopher Yeabsley
    on April 4, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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    Lol acupuncture.

    Get your stars read, or just follow the astrologer in the newspaper.

    Remember; if alternative medicine worked- it wouldn’t be alternative, it would just be medicine.


    • YaReally
      on April 6, 2014 at 12:22 pm
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      “I myself pursue tattooing because I believe I acquire archetypal power from the artwork that adorns me. I gain the spiritual essence of the animal totems that attach to me. ”

      That’s why I got this tattoo:

      Watch out, ladies!!


    • YaReally
      on April 6, 2014 at 12:46 pm
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      “Because, if we ever compete for the same girl in the real world, the vibrant, unmistakably powerful life force which emanates from my body will be in stark contrast to the bitter, pathetic, pitiful life-force that you possess; to my advantage.”

      I want to make fun of you, but really this is a good example of self-placebo, strong frame control/belief, and the concepts of “what you feel, she feels” and “the strongest frame wins”.

      It’s the exact same mechanic that makes a guy feel good when he buys a new shirt, or makes a girl feel good when she buys a new pair of shoes. The only real difference is that you have thousands of years of hype behind your concept whereas manipulative advertising that convinces us we’re incomplete if we don’t have the newest latest merchandise is a fairly recent development.

      The interesting thing, though, is that is really can work in terms of you getting results, but not for some spiritual voodoo reasons…it’s just a series of game/psychology mechanics in action:

      – you believe having X makes you higher-value
      – you have a strong belief in this, so you have a strong frame on the subject
      – girls have weak frames in general
      – girls ping off their environment to determine how they should feel about things
      – you interact with a girl believing having X makes you higher-value
      – she may not initially think so, but her frame is weak
      – she pings off her environment and encounters your stronger frame
      – people always fall into the strongest frame
      – so in the end she falls into your strong frame that you having X makes you higher-value, so she legitimately believes you’re higher-value, purely because you do

      If you could take that exact same frame and just transport it to a different part of your life, like that money makes you higher-value or having a nice car makes you higher-value, or even a ridiculous notion like having a bald spot makes you higher-value or being short makes you higher-value or having a small penis makes you higher-value, the exact same domino effect of principles would execute and you would be higher-value to the girl for your small penis.

      This is why it’s a bad idea to attach your internal self-worth to fleeting external things, like your looks or your money or your hair or your nice car, basically anything that can be taken away from you…because if you lose your money, or you grow a bald spot, or you get old and mother nature naturally takes away your youthful good looks, your self-worth is crippled because you no longer have the thing you conditioned yourself to believe was responsible for your high-value.

      And it’s again why PUAs encourage advanced guys to start approaching girls while dressed like shit and to tell them you work at McDonalds and try to self-sabotage yourself while sarging…because over time you’ll have bits of success that start to add up and you’ll realize that none of that shit matters, your value is inherently internal and when you fully understand that, it can’t be taken away from you no matter what your external circumstances are.

      So while you sound silly to me, it’s irrelevant because the end result for you is that your super strong belief in this really DOES affect your results. If you had as strong a belief that your tattoos made you low-value as you do that they make you high-value, you would find that women would ping off your beliefs and fall into that frame and legitimately be less attracted to you.

      That’s why being a man is awesome. For a woman to increase her value, she has to diet, exercise, do her makeup, hair, nails, buy the right clothes etc. etc. It’s a long slow expensive process and she can only ever max her specific genetic potential out, not every girl can physically become a Megan Fox.

      But as a man, you could literally be the highest-value man in any room right now. Instantly. If you could switch your mindset to fully 100% believe that everything about you is amazing and awesome and makes you the highest-value man in the room, you would actually BE that to women even though 10 seconds ago you looked exactly like you still do with your new mindset.

      But we generally can’t just switch our entire wiring over like that and on top of that we have social conditioning CONSTANTLY barraging us with messages trying to keep us in the fucked up wiring of hating ourselves and feeling incomplete because that’s how we keep people buying products and working to earn more money etc.. So we have to actively and personally work to tackle it in bits and pieces over time and solidify our new belief/value system until we eventually get there and it’s very easy to get sidetracked or fall back into old mindsets until you’ve gathered enough reference experience to solidify them enough that they ARE your new reality.

      P.S. For the record: if you were in my set with your life-force energy, I would lift up my shirt and draw a dinosaur on my beer belly while you’re blabbing about animal totems and tell girls that I can make him roar if I suck in my gut and then put their hands on it to make the dinosaur eat their hands. lol



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Jason773
on April 2, 2014 at 11:01 am
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27 of the 32. The life we lead…


  • Scray
    on April 2, 2014 at 11:14 am
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    I only got 16. But lol…late 2012 I only had like 2.

    [CH: you don't have to get all of them to be an alpha male. even one would be evidence of a latent alphaness.]


    • Scray
      on April 2, 2014 at 12:08 pm
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      wow. do most guys go through life without even getting 1, you think?

      [CH: it's a good bet.]


      • YaReally
        on April 3, 2014 at 4:39 am
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        “”wow. do most guys go through life without even getting 1, you think?

        [CH: it's a good bet.]”

        I made it to like age 23 with zero.

        If I hadn’t taken active steps to start coming out of my shell and learning to socialize and forcing myself to approach women and learn game, I could easily envision myself having made it to 30+ with zero. In fact after like 25 years of zero it would probably just continue effortlessly because “lack of success” would be normalized to me and I would be the guy saying “some guys have it and some don’t and I just don’t” and getting lost in Internet porn, videogames, and probably hookers.

        Like right now I can’t even imagine getting a hooker, the notion of paying for sex is so ridiculous to me that I couldn’t even picture myself going thru the motions of it…(hell these days I actively try to make girls buy me things and invest to get me to fuck them lol) I was talking about strippers hookers etc with the girl I banged tonight and when I said I don’t pay for sex she was like “ya because you don’t HAVE to.” like it was the most obvious thing in the world. I told her a bit about my history and she had assumed I’ve been getting laid since I was 12.

        Now if I had kept going down that path I was on, I probably would’ve focused more on money and made the logical conclusion of “I can’t get girls and I have money and some girls will act like they like me if I give them money, so this makes sense” and become a regular john which is a sad notion to me because I would never have known that I was capable of more.

        Because back then, in my mind the stuff that I’ve done and do now were things that other guys do or that only happen in movies. Like it wasn’t just “oh I don’t have the time to invest in learning that”, it was “that’s not a thing that’s possible for me to do no matter how much I tried or wanted it”

        I can’t even identify with that version of me, he’s like a whole different person because not only have I done a lot since but at this point it’s all so normalized and natural and “unconsciously competent” that it’s not even work or effort. It’s just normal. Like when I sent tonight’s chick home I just grin in the mirror because we had fun sex and then shower up and go about the rest of my night like it’s no big deal.

        So ya, I think there are a LOT of guys with zero on that list. But that’s not the sad part to me. The sad part to me is that I bet most if not all of those guys don’t have to stay that way…it takes work but they can unlock potential that they can’t even envision right now.


        • kant
          on April 3, 2014 at 8:03 am
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          YaReally, I recently finished going through your archives (that took a while lol) and I just wanted to say thanks for providing so much value. My game was good before, but you really helped me get in a more positive, value providing headspace and brought my game to a new level.

          Last week I had a day in which I banged all three girls in my harem, all hb7+ ivy league early 20s girls who are purring submissive kittens for me and I thought fuck yeah my life rocks lol. In the medium term I’m probably nexting a couple of them, but that’s a choice because I have certain goals at the moment and they’re taking up too much of my time.

          Anyway, thanks man don’t stop


          • YaReally
            on April 3, 2014 at 8:53 am
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            Awesome, I always love to hear comments like this. I know there are guys out there reading my shit and getting value out of it, that’s why I spend the time writing it. Props on taking control of your life and getting to enjoy a hot little harem. :)



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Jason773
on April 2, 2014 at 11:01 am
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27 of the 32. The life we lead…


  • Scray
    on April 2, 2014 at 11:14 am
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    I only got 16. But lol…late 2012 I only had like 2.

    [CH: you don’t have to get all of them to be an alpha male. even one would be evidence of a latent alphaness.]


    • YaReally
      on April 3, 2014 at 4:39 am
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      “”wow. do most guys go through life without even getting 1, you think?

      [CH: it’s a good bet.]”

      I made it to like age 23 with zero.

      If I hadn’t taken active steps to start coming out of my shell and learning to socialize and forcing myself to approach women and learn game, I could easily envision myself having made it to 30+ with zero. In fact after like 25 years of zero it would probably just continue effortlessly because “lack of success” would be normalized to me and I would be the guy saying “some guys have it and some don’t and I just don’t” and getting lost in Internet porn, videogames, and probably hookers.

      Like right now I can’t even imagine getting a hooker, the notion of paying for sex is so ridiculous to me that I couldn’t even picture myself going thru the motions of it…(hell these days I actively try to make girls buy me things and invest to get me to fuck them lol) I was talking about strippers hookers etc with the girl I banged tonight and when I said I don’t pay for sex she was like “ya because you don’t HAVE to.” like it was the most obvious thing in the world. I told her a bit about my history and she had assumed I’ve been getting laid since I was 12.

      Now if I had kept going down that path I was on, I probably would’ve focused more on money and made the logical conclusion of “I can’t get girls and I have money and some girls will act like they like me if I give them money, so this makes sense” and become a regular john which is a sad notion to me because I would never have known that I was capable of more.

      Because back then, in my mind the stuff that I’ve done and do now were things that other guys do or that only happen in movies. Like it wasn’t just “oh I don’t have the time to invest in learning that”, it was “that’s not a thing that’s possible for me to do no matter how much I tried or wanted it”

      I can’t even identify with that version of me, he’s like a whole different person because not only have I done a lot since but at this point it’s all so normalized and natural and “unconsciously competent” that it’s not even work or effort. It’s just normal. Like when I sent tonight’s chick home I just grin in the mirror because we had fun sex and then shower up and go about the rest of my night like it’s no big deal.

      So ya, I think there are a LOT of guys with zero on that list. But that’s not the sad part to me. The sad part to me is that I bet most if not all of those guys don’t have to stay that way…it takes work but they can unlock potential that they can’t even envision right now.


    • YaReally
      on April 3, 2014 at 8:53 am
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      Awesome, I always love to hear comments like this. I know there are guys out there reading my shit and getting value out of it, that’s why I spend the time writing it. Props on taking control of your life and getting to enjoy a hot little harem. :)



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corvinus
on April 2, 2014 at 5:56 pm
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Scattershot a few girls today. Here’s what I got:

Me: Going to Fla. next week. Let’s get coffee
HB7 from Florida: (no reply) [I had tried a few weeks before; she answered several hours later. Acts really coy IRL, as if she likes me, but teases.]

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB7: Sorry, who is this?
Me: Corvinus
HB7: I’m pretty busy with work, sorry.

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB8: (no reply)

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB8: Haha hey Corvinus. Sorry, but I’m pretty booked right now!

Me: Hey [HB9-twisted nickname I use for her]
HB9: What up dog
Me: Let’s get coffee at [place] tmrw
HB9: I have a lot to do tomorrow such as lab

Hmm… how to cut through the “I’m too busy” problem? In fact, I find it’s far more of a problem now than IHAB.


  • YaReally
    on April 3, 2014 at 6:21 am
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    This is an example of what Scray’s talking about when he says the aloof text game stuff doesn’t work if you don’t have enough value to the girl. That doesn’t mean you aren’t a high-value dude or that she didn’t view you as high-value when you first met and got her number…it just means that for whatever reason your value at that point in time isn’t high enough to her (hell the reasons can even be out of your control like you have blonde hair and yesterday a blonde guy creeped out her friend and now she hates blonde guys this week even tho she loved that when you first met, like that’s something where you have no control).

    These responses are basically an indicator of “you don’t have high enough value for me to fit you into my schedule”, and it’s good that you did the same thing to all of them so you can see a consistent pattern of them giving no fucks so you know you have to fix something lol

    The basic problem is that you’re asking for too much compliance too soon, with not enough value. If I came up to you on the street on a day that you’re having a crappy day and said “give me a dollar.” you’d probably tell me to fuck off. But if I came up to you on the street and casually chatted with you, joked around and got you laughing and feeling good emotions, built a little connection with you swapping stories about our dogs that died when we were kids, got you laughing again and then said “hey you got a dollar on you? I’m half asleep and I have a business meeting and need to grab a coffee but I left my wallet at home.” you would probably give me a dollar, or a $5′er if you didn’t have a dollar handy.

    The difference between those two scenarios is that in the first one I didn’t have high-value to you or a connection or comfort/rapport AND you weren’t in a good state. It’s not that you wouldn’t be open to giving me a dollar, it’s that I was being uncalibrated and just barging in instead of pacing your reality and leading you into a good state and then pitching the dollar request.

    Sometimes you’ll catch the girl in a great state and the convo is just a quick push of “hey” “hi!!” “wow someone’s excited” “I just got a new job!!” “great then drinks are on you tonight” “lol no way” “fine, we’ll go dutch. BarName, 7pm.” “lol i dunno…” “shush don’t be gay.” “lol fuck you” “we’ll celebrate your new job. 7pm, BarName.” “lol okay”

    Sometimes the girl is totally out of state or having a bad week etc. and you have to invest in a long txt convo or multiple txt convos to get her into a good state.

    So you kind of throw out a normal txt first…I like to re-open with a cocky/funny tease like “don’t think I didn’t notice you sneaking around the bushes outside my bedroom window last night”, where she’s pretty much forced to respond even if it’s to be like “oh god lol” or “you wish”…like I just need ANY response, good or bad, because all I’m doing is trying to guage what kind of state she’s in.

    Based on her response I’ll calibrate and if she’s in a receptive state I’ll start to push for the meet-up, and if she’s not in a receptive state I’ll joke, tease, roleplay, etc. and get her laughing and into a better state. If she doesn’t respond or responds slow with one-word replies I’ll try to figure out from what I know about her whether she’s just busy at work or with something happening in real life on her end, or if she’s not interested at all but usually it’s the former so I’ll back off and end the convo and try again in a couple days at a different time of day (maybe every day around 10am she has work stress but 2 days later I text her at 8pm and she’s done work and relaxed watching some funny TV show and is horny/flirty).

    Once I know she’s lol’ing on her end, I’ll push for the meet-up and try to neutralize any of her objections either with hardcore plowing responses (like “i have plans” gets “cancel them, I’m more fun” or “i have lab tomorrow” gets “it’s fine, one drink, we’ll have you home asleep for your lab by 10.” etc.) or neutralizing them in advance (I know she’ll object to meeting up because she thinks I’m going to try to have sex with her so I’ll say “one drink, but we’re not having sex, I have an early morning tomorrow.” and kind of take that objection away before she can use it).

    If you made a super boss impression on her when you first met her and got the number, and it’s within a few days of that interaction, you can probably be more aloof/direct. Brad Pitt could txt “let’s get coffee.” out of the blue a month later but it’s because he has massively high value to the girl by default.

    But if you only made a decent impression or if you made a super boss impression but it’s a week or two later, or she was drunk that night, or for whatever reason maybe she’s embarrassed from making out with you that night or she’s hungover and tired and not feeling flirty or a million other things, then you probably have to build your value up again (basically reminding her of how high-value you are since she exchanged numbers with you at a point where she saw you as high-value) and THEN push for coffee.

    It’s all super logical. The key thing to remember is that your value to her is ALWAYS in a state of fluctuation and if she doesn’t know you well, it’s in a state of slowly trickling downward. Like Brad Pitt or the alpha to an “alpha widow” will always have high value even if she never sees or talks to him again in her life. But the guy from the bar that one night’s value will slowly trickle downward over time, esp as she meets other guys from the bar that one night and they make newer impressions on her or they make bad impressions and she associates them with you etc. My point is: when you re-engage her via txt, assume that you’re re-sarging her from the start…it’s a smaller shorter faster sarge because you already know she can be attracted to you since you have her number, but you still have to go through the motions.


    • walawala
      on April 3, 2014 at 6:55 am
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      @YaReally Sometimes I go “long-game” if it’s girls in my social circle whose anti-slut defense pops up and they’re in conflict between wanting to meet up and seeing me out and about…

      So…I push-pull, go long, text some random shit, then disappear.

      In one case, I didn’t see the girl for 2 weeks and SHE suddenly brought up some thing I texted her 2 weeks earlier.

      So yes, they remember.

      Now I realize just getting numbers is meaningless unless you’ve had some interaction.

      Even then, the interaction may just be they want to hang out.

      In one case I did everything right, got the girl out, she has a bf. She didn’t exactly LJBF me. But it’s clear she enjoys the movie moments and banter.

      So I now dole it out in lesser amounts…give her some time to think of me and miss me. Wonder. Imagine. DHV her, then disappear.

      Girls that want to bang you will give you that impression quite quickly.


      • YaReally
        on April 3, 2014 at 9:04 am
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        @walawala
        “Now I realize just getting numbers is meaningless unless you’ve had some interaction.”

        Yup. One of the first plateaus/walls guys hit when they learn pickup is they learn how to get numbers and then they start collecting 10 numbers a night feeling like a boss because they’re running flash game and getting Attraction and the girls cough up their numbers because in the moment they love them.

        But then those guys try txting those numbers and don’t get a single reply, because they didn’t get Comfort/Rapport with the girl and build a connection to where she’s going to remember their value long-term and respond when they txt. They didn’t fuck up the txting, they fucked up before they even got the number.

        “In one case I did everything right, got the girl out, she has a bf. She didn’t exactly LJBF me. But it’s clear she enjoys the movie moments and banter.”

        Also true and a bit of a trap. Like I like making girls feel good, it’s fun to flirt and everything, but a lot of taken girls have husbands etc. who don’t give them those flirty fun exciting feelings and those girls meet you and you’re clearly a source of that so they try to get a lot of time with you to experience those feelings.

        But then you have to look at the interaction and be like “okay but seriously what value am I getting out of this interaction? She loves it, obviously, but why am I going for lunch with her where I know she won’t put out…I could be using this time for something else or to be with a girl who does put out.” and sometimes you have to cut those chicks off because they’ll try to monopolize your time.


    • theasdgamer
      on April 3, 2014 at 8:30 am
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      Great comment. Lots of details and analysis. Are you autistic?


      • SFG
        on April 3, 2014 at 8:39 am
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        Ex-betas always write the best about this stuff; the natural alphas do it too unconsciously to be able to articulate it. They’ll say ‘just be yourself’ or some useless advice like that, because, well, that’s what they do, they be themselves, and it works for them…no further thought required.


        • Canadian Friend
          on April 3, 2014 at 9:33 am
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          ” …Ex-betas always write the best about this stuff; the natural alphas do it too unconsciously to be able to articulate it. … ”

          good observation


          • YaReally
            on April 3, 2014 at 9:48 am
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            Also true. Over the course of a buddy relationship with a Natural I’ll often try to get them to describe their philosophy/rules/mindsets for getting girls and I always found it fascinating that they wouldn’t be able to articulate things in-depth the way PUAs do, but they would still describe the same general concepts.

            Like a Natural might say “don’t take any shit from girls, call them out if they’re being stupid” which is really just being dominant/authoritative, teasing, giving them an emotional rollercoaster, outcome independence (since you don’t care if you piss the girl off), abundance (because who would give a hot girl shit except a guy who’s got a lot of hot girls and doesn’t care if she fucks off), etc. The Natural can’t really articulate in depth how or why that gets him attraction, he just knows from experience “when I don’t let girls get away with being stupid, I get laid more”.

            The early PUAs did an incredible job of backwards engineering social interactions to be able to even explain, let alone mimic, what Naturals were doing on instinct. That’s like someone figuring out the formula for Coca Cola just from tasting a bunch of different drinks.


      • YaReally
        on April 3, 2014 at 8:56 am
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        “Are you autistic?”

        No, I’m just wicked smart.



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corvinus
on April 2, 2014 at 5:56 pm
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Scattershot a few girls today. Here’s what I got:

Me: Going to Fla. next week. Let’s get coffee
HB7 from Florida: (no reply) [I had tried a few weeks before; she answered several hours later. Acts really coy IRL, as if she likes me, but teases.]

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB7: Sorry, who is this?
Me: Corvinus
HB7: I’m pretty busy with work, sorry.

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB8: (no reply)

Me: Let’s get coffee
HB8: Haha hey Corvinus. Sorry, but I’m pretty booked right now!

Me: Hey [HB9-twisted nickname I use for her]
HB9: What up dog
Me: Let’s get coffee at [place] tmrw
HB9: I have a lot to do tomorrow such as lab

Hmm… how to cut through the “I’m too busy” problem? In fact, I find it’s far more of a problem now than IHAB.


  • YaReally
    on April 3, 2014 at 6:21 am
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    This is an example of what Scray’s talking about when he says the aloof text game stuff doesn’t work if you don’t have enough value to the girl. That doesn’t mean you aren’t a high-value dude or that she didn’t view you as high-value when you first met and got her number…it just means that for whatever reason your value at that point in time isn’t high enough to her (hell the reasons can even be out of your control like you have blonde hair and yesterday a blonde guy creeped out her friend and now she hates blonde guys this week even tho she loved that when you first met, like that’s something where you have no control).

    These responses are basically an indicator of “you don’t have high enough value for me to fit you into my schedule”, and it’s good that you did the same thing to all of them so you can see a consistent pattern of them giving no fucks so you know you have to fix something lol

    The basic problem is that you’re asking for too much compliance too soon, with not enough value. If I came up to you on the street on a day that you’re having a crappy day and said “give me a dollar.” you’d probably tell me to fuck off. But if I came up to you on the street and casually chatted with you, joked around and got you laughing and feeling good emotions, built a little connection with you swapping stories about our dogs that died when we were kids, got you laughing again and then said “hey you got a dollar on you? I’m half asleep and I have a business meeting and need to grab a coffee but I left my wallet at home.” you would probably give me a dollar, or a $5’er if you didn’t have a dollar handy.

    The difference between those two scenarios is that in the first one I didn’t have high-value to you or a connection or comfort/rapport AND you weren’t in a good state. It’s not that you wouldn’t be open to giving me a dollar, it’s that I was being uncalibrated and just barging in instead of pacing your reality and leading you into a good state and then pitching the dollar request.

    Sometimes you’ll catch the girl in a great state and the convo is just a quick push of “hey” “hi!!” “wow someone’s excited” “I just got a new job!!” “great then drinks are on you tonight” “lol no way” “fine, we’ll go dutch. BarName, 7pm.” “lol i dunno…” “shush don’t be gay.” “lol fuck you” “we’ll celebrate your new job. 7pm, BarName.” “lol okay”

    Sometimes the girl is totally out of state or having a bad week etc. and you have to invest in a long txt convo or multiple txt convos to get her into a good state.

    So you kind of throw out a normal txt first…I like to re-open with a cocky/funny tease like “don’t think I didn’t notice you sneaking around the bushes outside my bedroom window last night”, where she’s pretty much forced to respond even if it’s to be like “oh god lol” or “you wish”…like I just need ANY response, good or bad, because all I’m doing is trying to guage what kind of state she’s in.

    Based on her response I’ll calibrate and if she’s in a receptive state I’ll start to push for the meet-up, and if she’s not in a receptive state I’ll joke, tease, roleplay, etc. and get her laughing and into a better state. If she doesn’t respond or responds slow with one-word replies I’ll try to figure out from what I know about her whether she’s just busy at work or with something happening in real life on her end, or if she’s not interested at all but usually it’s the former so I’ll back off and end the convo and try again in a couple days at a different time of day (maybe every day around 10am she has work stress but 2 days later I text her at 8pm and she’s done work and relaxed watching some funny TV show and is horny/flirty).

    Once I know she’s lol’ing on her end, I’ll push for the meet-up and try to neutralize any of her objections either with hardcore plowing responses (like “i have plans” gets “cancel them, I’m more fun” or “i have lab tomorrow” gets “it’s fine, one drink, we’ll have you home asleep for your lab by 10.” etc.) or neutralizing them in advance (I know she’ll object to meeting up because she thinks I’m going to try to have sex with her so I’ll say “one drink, but we’re not having sex, I have an early morning tomorrow.” and kind of take that objection away before she can use it).

    If you made a super boss impression on her when you first met her and got the number, and it’s within a few days of that interaction, you can probably be more aloof/direct. Brad Pitt could txt “let’s get coffee.” out of the blue a month later but it’s because he has massively high value to the girl by default.

    But if you only made a decent impression or if you made a super boss impression but it’s a week or two later, or she was drunk that night, or for whatever reason maybe she’s embarrassed from making out with you that night or she’s hungover and tired and not feeling flirty or a million other things, then you probably have to build your value up again (basically reminding her of how high-value you are since she exchanged numbers with you at a point where she saw you as high-value) and THEN push for coffee.

    It’s all super logical. The key thing to remember is that your value to her is ALWAYS in a state of fluctuation and if she doesn’t know you well, it’s in a state of slowly trickling downward. Like Brad Pitt or the alpha to an “alpha widow” will always have high value even if she never sees or talks to him again in her life. But the guy from the bar that one night’s value will slowly trickle downward over time, esp as she meets other guys from the bar that one night and they make newer impressions on her or they make bad impressions and she associates them with you etc. My point is: when you re-engage her via txt, assume that you’re re-sarging her from the start…it’s a smaller shorter faster sarge because you already know she can be attracted to you since you have her number, but you still have to go through the motions.


    • YaReally
      on April 3, 2014 at 8:56 am
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      “Are you autistic?”

      No, I’m just wicked smart.


    • YaReally
      on April 3, 2014 at 9:04 am
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      @walawala
      “Now I realize just getting numbers is meaningless unless you’ve had some interaction.”

      Yup. One of the first plateaus/walls guys hit when they learn pickup is they learn how to get numbers and then they start collecting 10 numbers a night feeling like a boss because they’re running flash game and getting Attraction and the girls cough up their numbers because in the moment they love them.

      But then those guys try txting those numbers and don’t get a single reply, because they didn’t get Comfort/Rapport with the girl and build a connection to where she’s going to remember their value long-term and respond when they txt. They didn’t fuck up the txting, they fucked up before they even got the number.

      “In one case I did everything right, got the girl out, she has a bf. She didn’t exactly LJBF me. But it’s clear she enjoys the movie moments and banter.”

      Also true and a bit of a trap. Like I like making girls feel good, it’s fun to flirt and everything, but a lot of taken girls have husbands etc. who don’t give them those flirty fun exciting feelings and those girls meet you and you’re clearly a source of that so they try to get a lot of time with you to experience those feelings.

      But then you have to look at the interaction and be like “okay but seriously what value am I getting out of this interaction? She loves it, obviously, but why am I going for lunch with her where I know she won’t put out…I could be using this time for something else or to be with a girl who does put out.” and sometimes you have to cut those chicks off because they’ll try to monopolize your time.


    • YaReally
      on April 3, 2014 at 9:48 am
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      Also true. Over the course of a buddy relationship with a Natural I’ll often try to get them to describe their philosophy/rules/mindsets for getting girls and I always found it fascinating that they wouldn’t be able to articulate things in-depth the way PUAs do, but they would still describe the same general concepts.

      Like a Natural might say “don’t take any shit from girls, call them out if they’re being stupid” which is really just being dominant/authoritative, teasing, giving them an emotional rollercoaster, outcome independence (since you don’t care if you piss the girl off), abundance (because who would give a hot girl shit except a guy who’s got a lot of hot girls and doesn’t care if she fucks off), etc. The Natural can’t really articulate in depth how or why that gets him attraction, he just knows from experience “when I don’t let girls get away with being stupid, I get laid more”.

      The early PUAs did an incredible job of backwards engineering social interactions to be able to even explain, let alone mimic, what Naturals were doing on instinct. That’s like someone figuring out the formula for Coca Cola just from tasting a bunch of different drinks.