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Robert Cialdini And The Triumph Of Game

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YaReally
on March 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm
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nah this can’t be accurate. Everyone knows game only works on drunk slutty bar whores with low self-esteem, AMOGing only works on pussy beta bitches who aren’t big tough MMA fighting badasses who will punch you for talking to their girl, and that if you fake it people will always instantly be able to tell that you’re faking it and will shun hate and probably kill you because everyone can instantly see thru your deception.

People don’t just consistently naturally respond to specific stimuli in predictable ways, CH. Maybe you need to read some Jezebel or listen to the real alpha males here who didn’t need to learn game or listen to the women here who know NAWALT.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to eat McDonalds while I drink a glass of Coke and watch…shit what is it I’m supposed to watch tonight? I’d better google a top 10 list of the most popular tv shows because if a lot of people like something that means I should try to as well. Now don’t waste any more of our time telling us we’ll fall for silly “mind control” tricks…don’t you know I’m a badass alpha male and I’m immune to that? Brrr it’s cold, where’s my Adidas jacket…



Robert Cialdini And The Triumph Of Game

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YaReally
on March 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm
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nah this can’t be accurate. Everyone knows game only works on drunk slutty bar whores with low self-esteem, AMOGing only works on pussy beta bitches who aren’t big tough MMA fighting badasses who will punch you for talking to their girl, and that if you fake it people will always instantly be able to tell that you’re faking it and will shun hate and probably kill you because everyone can instantly see thru your deception.

People don’t just consistently naturally respond to specific stimuli in predictable ways, CH. Maybe you need to read some Jezebel or listen to the real alpha males here who didn’t need to learn game or listen to the women here who know NAWALT.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to eat McDonalds while I drink a glass of Coke and watch…shit what is it I’m supposed to watch tonight? I’d better google a top 10 list of the most popular tv shows because if a lot of people like something that means I should try to as well. Now don’t waste any more of our time telling us we’ll fall for silly “mind control” tricks…don’t you know I’m a badass alpha male and I’m immune to that? Brrr it’s cold, where’s my Adidas jacket…



Why Men Shouldn’t Mate Guard

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on March 21, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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Easiest way for me to take your girlfriend is for you to be mate-guarding her.

The very notion of mate-guarding implies that to you, there are other men around who are higher value than you that your girl would fuck (because of Hypergamy), which by default implies that you see yourself as lower value than some of the men you are mate-guarding her from…because if you KNEW you were super high-value, better than any other man in the room, you wouldn’t have to mate-guard because you would know your girl wasn’t going to ditch you for one of them (again because of Hypergamy). So mate-guarding instantly establishes that you view other men in the room as potentially higher-value than you, and, since girls ping off their environment to know what to feel (which is why if you say “hi” confidently, she’ll love you but if you say it like you’re worried you’re creepy, she’ll be creeped out, she’s pinging off you and her friends responses to you to know how to feel), when she pings off you she’s going to get the message that “there are potentially higher-value men in this room” and her Hypergamy is going to instinctively start looking for who those higher-value men are. What higher-value means to her is unique to her outside of the basic hard-wired stuff (confidence, social proof, etc.)…like she may have a bad reference experience with a rich boyfriend who snubbed her for his career too much so you being rich doesn’t necessarily make you high-value to her, but the point is that she’ll start looking for her high-value triggers.

So the instant you mate-guard, that entire paragraph above this sentence flashes through my head in a millisecond and I completely have the upper-hand because I know you down to your core, especially based on HOW you mate-guard (does it seem insecure, angry/jealous, like you’d throw a punch, like you’re controlling, like you’re a big vagina pussy?) and then I read another huge chunk of information about you from that and calibrate (if you’re a pussy I can just talk directly to the girl, if you’re a big scary jealous guy I’ll talk to your buddies and make them like me, then you and make you like me, all the while indirectly DHV’ing my value to your girl).

Once you’ve indicated to us all that you don’t think you’re the highest value man in the room, the absolute minimum that I need to get your girl is:

1) to make eye-contact with her for like, even just one second, because I’m communicating shit to her through my eye-contact/sub-comms

2) about a minute of isolation with her…isolation can simply be you having your back to her even tho she’s standing right beside you. I basically just need to be able to say stuff to her for about a minute. In that minute I’ll AMOG you to her, DHV myself to her, and use a super subtle #-close. She’ll get a txt at work the next day when you’re not around, and she’ll save my name as Jessica.

It’s that easy…and it’s that easy BECAUSE you mate-guarded and signaled to her and I that you don’t feel like you’re the highest-value man in the room. YOU, the mate-guarding guy, created that opportunity for me lol

How do you stop me?

Believe you’re the highest-value guy in the room and BE the highest-value guy in the room to her, because then she’ll see me as lower-value than you and her Hypergamy won’t let her cheat with me and you don’t have to mate-guard or anything…I’ve said before that the only type of girls that are impossible for me to get are the ones who are madly in love with their man and see him as the highest-value guy around.

And/or don’t let me get your girl alone in any way. Except that’s hard to do, because if you try to prevent me from getting your girl alone, you have to do mate-guarding things, which starts the chain of events that lead to my getting an opportunity to get her lol That’s why I encourage the former option (handle your shit and fully believe you’re the highest-value man in the room, even if that’s objectively delusional), because that’s the only secure method…trying to keep me from getting your girl alone is gambling. Even then, one tactic that’s been going around for a bit is to whisper into the girl’s ear quick “tell him I’m your gay friend”. She says it, because she’s intrigued, and you’re disarmed because “oh this is some gay co-worker or something” and let your guard down and, even right in front of you, he can say to the girl “oh I haven’t seen you in years, I don’t have your number anymore!” and get her phone number…all the ballsy opening and the fun intrigue/roleplay and everything is a huge DHV spike to her so if you’ve been a schlub in your relationship, she’ll go along with all this.

…which brings us back to, again: the best way to keep your girl from fucking other guys is to fully believe you’re higher-value than all of them, and personally work on becoming higher-value than all of them…don’t slack off on your relationship, ’cause all I need is a minute alone and some eye-contact and the YaReally boogeyman will get your girl lol



Why Men Shouldn’t Mate Guard

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YaReally
on March 21, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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Easiest way for me to take your girlfriend is for you to be mate-guarding her.

The very notion of mate-guarding implies that to you, there are other men around who are higher value than you that your girl would fuck (because of Hypergamy), which by default implies that you see yourself as lower value than some of the men you are mate-guarding her from…because if you KNEW you were super high-value, better than any other man in the room, you wouldn’t have to mate-guard because you would know your girl wasn’t going to ditch you for one of them (again because of Hypergamy). So mate-guarding instantly establishes that you view other men in the room as potentially higher-value than you, and, since girls ping off their environment to know what to feel (which is why if you say “hi” confidently, she’ll love you but if you say it like you’re worried you’re creepy, she’ll be creeped out, she’s pinging off you and her friends responses to you to know how to feel), when she pings off you she’s going to get the message that “there are potentially higher-value men in this room” and her Hypergamy is going to instinctively start looking for who those higher-value men are. What higher-value means to her is unique to her outside of the basic hard-wired stuff (confidence, social proof, etc.)…like she may have a bad reference experience with a rich boyfriend who snubbed her for his career too much so you being rich doesn’t necessarily make you high-value to her, but the point is that she’ll start looking for her high-value triggers.

So the instant you mate-guard, that entire paragraph above this sentence flashes through my head in a millisecond and I completely have the upper-hand because I know you down to your core, especially based on HOW you mate-guard (does it seem insecure, angry/jealous, like you’d throw a punch, like you’re controlling, like you’re a big vagina pussy?) and then I read another huge chunk of information about you from that and calibrate (if you’re a pussy I can just talk directly to the girl, if you’re a big scary jealous guy I’ll talk to your buddies and make them like me, then you and make you like me, all the while indirectly DHV’ing my value to your girl).

Once you’ve indicated to us all that you don’t think you’re the highest value man in the room, the absolute minimum that I need to get your girl is:

1) to make eye-contact with her for like, even just one second, because I’m communicating shit to her through my eye-contact/sub-comms

2) about a minute of isolation with her…isolation can simply be you having your back to her even tho she’s standing right beside you. I basically just need to be able to say stuff to her for about a minute. In that minute I’ll AMOG you to her, DHV myself to her, and use a super subtle #-close. She’ll get a txt at work the next day when you’re not around, and she’ll save my name as Jessica.

It’s that easy…and it’s that easy BECAUSE you mate-guarded and signaled to her and I that you don’t feel like you’re the highest-value man in the room. YOU, the mate-guarding guy, created that opportunity for me lol

How do you stop me?

Believe you’re the highest-value guy in the room and BE the highest-value guy in the room to her, because then she’ll see me as lower-value than you and her Hypergamy won’t let her cheat with me and you don’t have to mate-guard or anything…I’ve said before that the only type of girls that are impossible for me to get are the ones who are madly in love with their man and see him as the highest-value guy around.

And/or don’t let me get your girl alone in any way. Except that’s hard to do, because if you try to prevent me from getting your girl alone, you have to do mate-guarding things, which starts the chain of events that lead to my getting an opportunity to get her lol That’s why I encourage the former option (handle your shit and fully believe you’re the highest-value man in the room, even if that’s objectively delusional), because that’s the only secure method…trying to keep me from getting your girl alone is gambling. Even then, one tactic that’s been going around for a bit is to whisper into the girl’s ear quick “tell him I’m your gay friend”. She says it, because she’s intrigued, and you’re disarmed because “oh this is some gay co-worker or something” and let your guard down and, even right in front of you, he can say to the girl “oh I haven’t seen you in years, I don’t have your number anymore!” and get her phone number…all the ballsy opening and the fun intrigue/roleplay and everything is a huge DHV spike to her so if you’ve been a schlub in your relationship, she’ll go along with all this.

…which brings us back to, again: the best way to keep your girl from fucking other guys is to fully believe you’re higher-value than all of them, and personally work on becoming higher-value than all of them…don’t slack off on your relationship, ’cause all I need is a minute alone and some eye-contact and the YaReally boogeyman will get your girl lol



It’s Time To Start Calling Out Women Who Are Losers

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YaReally
on March 20, 2014 at 11:49 am
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RSDJulien at 20 seconds into this clip taking your advice and letting a girl know she’s a failure lol:


  • herbie
    on March 20, 2014 at 1:49 pm
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    How faggot is this?


    • Noshitter
      on March 20, 2014 at 4:49 pm
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      Right? Tyler Durden has gay face, gay mannerisms AND gay voice.


      • OralCummings
        on March 20, 2014 at 6:27 pm
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        he looks zackly like the red headed gay guy on that TV show the one with Ed O’Neil and that homely latina broad everybody pretends is so sexy. But does RSD stuff work? Or are guys here above all that stuff?


        • YaReally
          on March 21, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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          Supergay. His game would have to be super tight to get any girls to like him. …oh wait lol:


        • YaReally
          on March 21, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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          And here’s the other gay guy:

          Hell, here’s a bunch more of everyone:

          Don’t worry, they’re all hired actresses. We all know you gotta’ look like James Bond and have a nice deep voice and 6-pack to get girls.


  • Arbiter
    on March 20, 2014 at 6:13 pm
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    Those first twenty seconds…. If he is an expert, why does he act like that?

    Two minutes in: “You choose like, one area in the pub or in the venue, okay, right here is where we’re gonna create the hub. Okay? And preferably you’ll have wings to do this. But one of the exercises we do is we just send everyone to grab girls and bring them back here. … And just basically merge all these sets around you and have this one big group of tons and tons of girls.

    “It’s like, new set, new set, oh come meet my friend, this is my friend, come meet my girlfriend, this is my girlfriend, introduce them, and just keep throwing people at each other, okay. Now, what this does, is on one hand, now you have this massive group, and just massive social proof. Okay. If you’re out alone, do that as well, go up to one set, chat them and just bring them along, start introducing girls to that set. Sarges merging, like, you never wanna be out of sets.”

    If you’re out alone, do that as well – go up to one set, chat them and just bring them along, start introducing girls to that set. Sarges. Wings. Hubs. Tons of girls. Never wanna be out of sets.

    I read a story by one guy who went to a PUA seminar. He thought most of the guys there were weird and awkward, “not the kind of guys I would hang out with”. When he talked to them, “most of them didn’t seem to have any social life and were forced to rely on cold opens.”

    For those who can set up something like the scenario with the “hub” and make these tactics work, kudos, that’s good. But a lot of the PUA stuff seems too much like by-the-numbers success to me. It’s interesting to listen to, and there are things to take away from this, but a lot of the guys who pay the money for the seminars and get pumped from all the talk will end up standing there when they come back home, wondering why the “sets” never even come with them to the “hub”.


    • YaReally
      on March 21, 2014 at 1:13 pm
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      “Those first twenty seconds…. If he is an expert, why does he act like that?”

      Boredom. When you go out every night to game, you have to start making things interesting for yourself…sabotaging sets on purpose, trying shit that shouldn’t work, doing stuff that other people would think is sloppy, etc. Running solid tight flawless game over and over gets boring because there’s not enough randomness involved. Like eating the same amazing steak for every single meal for 10 years, you’d get bored of it even tho it’s perfect.

      “He thought most of the guys there were weird and awkward”

      No shit lol that’s why they’re at a seminar trying to learn shit. A lot of those guys will be lame for a few more years, but the ones who stick at it and go out regularly will start to become normal social cool guys with game and be guys that other people want to hang out with. This shit takes years to learn and normalize.

      “It’s interesting to listen to, and there are things to take away from this, but a lot of the guys who pay the money for the seminars and get pumped from all the talk will end up standing there when they come back home, wondering why the “sets” never even come with them to the “hub”.”

      Ya, it takes work. Again, no shit. Do you think these guys think they’re going to go out and their first sets are all going to just suck their dicks in the middle of the club? lol The first dozen times they try to set up a hub it probably won’t work. Then it’ll work once with some fat chicks. Then they’ll try it again another dozen times and it’ll work twice, one time with some hotter girls. Then they’ll try it again another dozen times and it’ll work 4 or 5 times, with decent girls. Over months of practice they’ll get to the point where they can do it like 90% of the time effortlessly.

      You’re doing the equivalent of saying “there’s no point reading a book about how to play baseball because when you go join a league you’re not going to score 10 homeruns and pitch a no-hitter so that’s nice information and interesting to listen to but really what’s the point…I heard a story about a guy who played baseball with an amateur league team once and they were bad at it!! So what’s the point!!”

      lol



It’s Time To Start Calling Out Women Who Are Losers

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YaReally
on March 20, 2014 at 11:49 am
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RSDJulien at 20 seconds into this clip taking your advice and letting a girl know she’s a failure lol:


  • herbie
    on March 20, 2014 at 1:49 pm
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    How faggot is this?


    • YaReally
      on March 21, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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      Supergay. His game would have to be super tight to get any girls to like him. …oh wait lol:


    • YaReally
      on March 21, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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      And here’s the other gay guy:

      Hell, here’s a bunch more of everyone:

      Don’t worry, they’re all hired actresses. We all know you gotta’ look like James Bond and have a nice deep voice and 6-pack to get girls.


  • Arbiter
    on March 20, 2014 at 6:13 pm
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    Those first twenty seconds…. If he is an expert, why does he act like that?

    Two minutes in: “You choose like, one area in the pub or in the venue, okay, right here is where we’re gonna create the hub. Okay? And preferably you’ll have wings to do this. But one of the exercises we do is we just send everyone to grab girls and bring them back here. … And just basically merge all these sets around you and have this one big group of tons and tons of girls.

    “It’s like, new set, new set, oh come meet my friend, this is my friend, come meet my girlfriend, this is my girlfriend, introduce them, and just keep throwing people at each other, okay. Now, what this does, is on one hand, now you have this massive group, and just massive social proof. Okay. If you’re out alone, do that as well, go up to one set, chat them and just bring them along, start introducing girls to that set. Sarges merging, like, you never wanna be out of sets.”

    If you’re out alone, do that as well – go up to one set, chat them and just bring them along, start introducing girls to that set. Sarges. Wings. Hubs. Tons of girls. Never wanna be out of sets.

    I read a story by one guy who went to a PUA seminar. He thought most of the guys there were weird and awkward, “not the kind of guys I would hang out with”. When he talked to them, “most of them didn’t seem to have any social life and were forced to rely on cold opens.”

    For those who can set up something like the scenario with the “hub” and make these tactics work, kudos, that’s good. But a lot of the PUA stuff seems too much like by-the-numbers success to me. It’s interesting to listen to, and there are things to take away from this, but a lot of the guys who pay the money for the seminars and get pumped from all the talk will end up standing there when they come back home, wondering why the “sets” never even come with them to the “hub”.


    • YaReally
      on March 21, 2014 at 1:13 pm
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      “Those first twenty seconds…. If he is an expert, why does he act like that?”

      Boredom. When you go out every night to game, you have to start making things interesting for yourself…sabotaging sets on purpose, trying shit that shouldn’t work, doing stuff that other people would think is sloppy, etc. Running solid tight flawless game over and over gets boring because there’s not enough randomness involved. Like eating the same amazing steak for every single meal for 10 years, you’d get bored of it even tho it’s perfect.

      “He thought most of the guys there were weird and awkward”

      No shit lol that’s why they’re at a seminar trying to learn shit. A lot of those guys will be lame for a few more years, but the ones who stick at it and go out regularly will start to become normal social cool guys with game and be guys that other people want to hang out with. This shit takes years to learn and normalize.

      “It’s interesting to listen to, and there are things to take away from this, but a lot of the guys who pay the money for the seminars and get pumped from all the talk will end up standing there when they come back home, wondering why the “setsâ€� never even come with them to the “hubâ€�.”

      Ya, it takes work. Again, no shit. Do you think these guys think they’re going to go out and their first sets are all going to just suck their dicks in the middle of the club? lol The first dozen times they try to set up a hub it probably won’t work. Then it’ll work once with some fat chicks. Then they’ll try it again another dozen times and it’ll work twice, one time with some hotter girls. Then they’ll try it again another dozen times and it’ll work 4 or 5 times, with decent girls. Over months of practice they’ll get to the point where they can do it like 90% of the time effortlessly.

      You’re doing the equivalent of saying “there’s no point reading a book about how to play baseball because when you go join a league you’re not going to score 10 homeruns and pitch a no-hitter so that’s nice information and interesting to listen to but really what’s the point…I heard a story about a guy who played baseball with an amateur league team once and they were bad at it!! So what’s the point!!”

      lol



The Final Word On Peacocking

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chi-town
on March 19, 2014 at 12:43 pm
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“Lesson: You don’t want to look like every other button-down, jeans-wearing dude.”

Sure ya can. Just make sure you do it at a biker bar.


  • The Burninator
    on March 19, 2014 at 12:46 pm
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    Nope, doesn’t work there. Everybody is dressed down to the same common denominators – jeans, t-shirt, leather vest, sunglasses. Hence my post above in how I make it different (since I hang out in biker bars).


    • The Burninator
      on March 19, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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      And to clarify, coming in button down and jeans makes a guy out to be an office simp. Not the presentation you want in a biker bar.


      • YaReally
        on March 19, 2014 at 2:15 pm
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        “And to clarify, coming in button down and jeans makes a guy out to be an office simp. Not the presentation you want in a biker bar.”

        Only if he can’t handle the shit-testing (from men and women) that he’ll receive. If he can, he’ll be just fine, and make the girls curious to shit-test him, and if he passes their shit-tests he gains attraction…if he passes guys’ shit-tests he gains their respect. Exact same psychological formula as anywhere else…peoples is peoples lol


        • The Burninator
          on March 21, 2014 at 6:15 am
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          Real life experience informs that he’ll be ignored by aforementioned women, though yes, he will catch shit from some of the men there. Chicks don’t hit these particular bars looking for beta office cubicle schlubs. If they wanted that, they’d go to most any other joint.


          • YaReally
            on March 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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            “Real life experience informs that he’ll be ignored by aforementioned women, though yes, he will catch shit from some of the men there. Chicks don’t hit these particular bars looking for beta office cubicle schlubs. If they wanted that, they’d go to most any other joint.”

            Real life experience informs that it’ll go down the way I described. Which do you think is more likely: That 99.99999% of men are lame beta schlubs so you’ve only seen lame ones in your bar? Or that I and my buddies have repeatedly magically cast a spell over people in the bars we go to to create multiple fluke anomalies?

            Most guys are losers, so ya, the office guys going to your bar are all losers. It would be very rare for you to 1) see a cool office guy in any capacity, and 2) a cool office guy would decide to go into your bar, and 3) a cool office guy would go into your bar in his office attire.

            You think your bar is special because you’re invested in your identity, but it’s not. You’re doing the exact same thing as girls saying “well that might work on those slutty bar whores but that wouldn’t work on MY friends”.

            It’s the same as every other bar, human psychology is human psychology. I know you won’t believe it because hey, no one thinks hot girls would be into Mystery’s furry hat when they first see a pic of it…but the psychology works exactly the same everywhere. If you dress different, but clearly on purpose and not because you’re socially inept, and you can handle the shit-tests from people, you will get attraction from the girls around you. That’s how it goes.

            What you’re saying is like saying “well in biker bars, girls aren’t attracted to social proof.” That’s just not how it works, this shit we’re tapping into is hard-wired. You may not have seen a good example of it, which is totally possible, because a cool guy who dressed like an office guy and confidently goes into a biker bar expecting everyone to like him and able to handle shit-tests from the guys (those are what instigate the shit-tests from the girls btw, when they see the guy handle the other guys, then the girls are interested and move in), would be rare as FUCK. You’d be lucky to see that in action lol, like seeing an eclipse.

            But it’s possible. And repeatable. And uses the exact same psychological principles that everywhere else uses.



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chi-town
on March 19, 2014 at 12:43 pm
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“Lesson: You don’t want to look like every other button-down, jeans-wearing dude.”

Sure ya can. Just make sure you do it at a biker bar.


  • The Burninator
    on March 19, 2014 at 12:46 pm
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    Nope, doesn’t work there. Everybody is dressed down to the same common denominators – jeans, t-shirt, leather vest, sunglasses. Hence my post above in how I make it different (since I hang out in biker bars).


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 2:15 pm
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      “And to clarify, coming in button down and jeans makes a guy out to be an office simp. Not the presentation you want in a biker bar.”

      Only if he can’t handle the shit-testing (from men and women) that he’ll receive. If he can, he’ll be just fine, and make the girls curious to shit-test him, and if he passes their shit-tests he gains attraction…if he passes guys’ shit-tests he gains their respect. Exact same psychological formula as anywhere else…peoples is peoples lol


    • YaReally
      on March 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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      “Real life experience informs that he’ll be ignored by aforementioned women, though yes, he will catch shit from some of the men there. Chicks don’t hit these particular bars looking for beta office cubicle schlubs. If they wanted that, they’d go to most any other joint.”

      Real life experience informs that it’ll go down the way I described. Which do you think is more likely: That 99.99999% of men are lame beta schlubs so you’ve only seen lame ones in your bar? Or that I and my buddies have repeatedly magically cast a spell over people in the bars we go to to create multiple fluke anomalies?

      Most guys are losers, so ya, the office guys going to your bar are all losers. It would be very rare for you to 1) see a cool office guy in any capacity, and 2) a cool office guy would decide to go into your bar, and 3) a cool office guy would go into your bar in his office attire.

      You think your bar is special because you’re invested in your identity, but it’s not. You’re doing the exact same thing as girls saying “well that might work on those slutty bar whores but that wouldn’t work on MY friends”.

      It’s the same as every other bar, human psychology is human psychology. I know you won’t believe it because hey, no one thinks hot girls would be into Mystery’s furry hat when they first see a pic of it…but the psychology works exactly the same everywhere. If you dress different, but clearly on purpose and not because you’re socially inept, and you can handle the shit-tests from people, you will get attraction from the girls around you. That’s how it goes.

      What you’re saying is like saying “well in biker bars, girls aren’t attracted to social proof.” That’s just not how it works, this shit we’re tapping into is hard-wired. You may not have seen a good example of it, which is totally possible, because a cool guy who dressed like an office guy and confidently goes into a biker bar expecting everyone to like him and able to handle shit-tests from the guys (those are what instigate the shit-tests from the girls btw, when they see the guy handle the other guys, then the girls are interested and move in), would be rare as FUCK. You’d be lucky to see that in action lol, like seeing an eclipse.

      But it’s possible. And repeatable. And uses the exact same psychological principles that everywhere else uses.



The Final Word On Peacocking

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Bob Smith
on March 19, 2014 at 1:14 pm
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One thing the study did not appear to correct for: the physical attractiveness of the man himself. Wearing the exact same outfit, does a short man get a different reaction than a tall one? Does a man with high facial attractiveness get a different reaction than one who doesn’t have that?

[CH: no sock puppeting. the answer to your oh so sincere question is that the same participants were used in the different study scenarios, so any differences in perception were relative to the context rather than the individual.]


  • Scray
    on March 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm
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    Peacocking is a gambit. The short/ugly/whatever guy who peacocks will get shit tested way harder — and so arguably derives more benefit from peacocking.

    So ya…high risk/high reward. If you’re a short guy and you peacock (in whatever way) but crush a few shit tests — esp in a group setting — you are on god mode.


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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      Yep. Watch Cupid Schmupid on YouTube crushing shit-tests left and right for an example. The harder they test you, the more attraction you build when you pass that test. I don’t peacock anymore but I instigate shit-tests verbally by saying extremely offensive/crude things and then passing the shit-tests that result from that. Same concept, different instigating technique.



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One thing the study did not appear to correct for: the physical attractiveness of the man himself. Wearing the exact same outfit, does a short man get a different reaction than a tall one? Does a man with high facial attractiveness get a different reaction than one who doesn’t have that?

[CH: no sock puppeting. the answer to your oh so sincere question is that the same participants were used in the different study scenarios, so any differences in perception were relative to the context rather than the individual.]


  • Scray
    on March 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm
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    Peacocking is a gambit. The short/ugly/whatever guy who peacocks will get shit tested way harder — and so arguably derives more benefit from peacocking.

    So ya…high risk/high reward. If you’re a short guy and you peacock (in whatever way) but crush a few shit tests — esp in a group setting — you are on god mode.


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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      Yep. Watch Cupid Schmupid on YouTube crushing shit-tests left and right for an example. The harder they test you, the more attraction you build when you pass that test. I don’t peacock anymore but I instigate shit-tests verbally by saying extremely offensive/crude things and then passing the shit-tests that result from that. Same concept, different instigating technique.



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Amy
on March 19, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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I vote try-hard. A feather boa?!?

[CH: Your vote doesn't matter. But his lay ratio does. And on that point you can't argue with the feather boa.]


  • Amy
    on March 19, 2014 at 1:54 pm
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    It’s feminine.

    [CH: Chicks dig the dandy.]

    Earrings??

    [Moral opprobrium doesn't change field success.]

    Maybe his ratio is better than doing nothing, but I wonder how he does matched up against the non-showy nonconformist don’t-give-a-damn types.

    [Sometimes ya gotta show how much you don't give a damn in spectacular fashion.]

    I think that guy would do a lot better than some goofball draped in feathers.

    [What you think while reading a blog post far removed from the helter skelter of a club scene is irrelevant to what actually works on women. Mystery says his lay rate went way up when he stopped being a normal guy and started being a showy player.]


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 2:45 pm
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      “I wonder how he does matched up against the non-showy nonconformist don’t-give-a-damn types. I think that guy would do a lot better than some goofball draped in feathers.”

      That’s because, despite your solipsism, you are an average girl and getting you is not the goal of every guy lol

      Mystery’s over-the-top peacocking wasn’t meant for you:

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1rLppe1URPE/T_H8F9HffvI/AAAAAAAAACg/NKlC_m90VkU/s1600/Pamela+Anderson.jpg

      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aOs3DIvlSjU/T-0a_-lvDEI/AAAAAAAAM8M/4gkht_bdB70/s1600/Horns+Up+Rocks+Tommy+Lee+Fan

      It was meant for the girls who’s day to day lifestyle involves peacocking because they’re confident enough to enjoy being the center of attention…those girls won’t even notice the non-showy guy in a chaotic nightclub, but they’ll notice a guy like Mystery who cold-approaches their group, and go “this is a guy who gets it” and test him to see if he’s legit/congruent to his image.

      Other guys are invisible standing next to Mystery because he’s so over-the-top, the same way you would be invisible to most men if you were standing beside these girls lol:

      http://i2.asntown.net/9/hotgirlsinlingerieatnightclub_1295308885082.jpg

      [CH: Well said. A lot of complaints from girls on this board and similar boards are a result of them being average lookers. Average girls are put off by ostentatious men because such men make them feel their averageness. They know these men aren't putting on the show for them, but for their hotter competition.]


  • Ryan Vann
    on March 20, 2014 at 8:20 am
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    Gotta agree here; I think the guy is huckster attempting to trick nerds into looking like complete goobers and making asses of themselves. A basic rule of thumb, if it has a film crew, it is complete fabricated bullshit.


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 8:33 am
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      Another rule of thumb: guys who claim pickup footage is all paid actresses don’t go out because they haven’t experienced girls being attracted to them quickly so they have to claim it’s all fake instead of accepting that they aren’t attractive to women and stepping their game up. If you were going out and running game and trying peacocking out, you’d see it all for yourself.

      The evidence that game works is all around you, you just have to go out and open your eyes.



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Amy
on March 19, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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I vote try-hard. A feather boa?!?

[CH: Your vote doesn’t matter. But his lay ratio does. And on that point you can’t argue with the feather boa.]


  • Amy
    on March 19, 2014 at 1:54 pm
    Original Link

    It’s feminine.

    [CH: Chicks dig the dandy.]

    Earrings??

    [Moral opprobrium doesn’t change field success.]

    Maybe his ratio is better than doing nothing, but I wonder how he does matched up against the non-showy nonconformist don’t-give-a-damn types.

    [Sometimes ya gotta show how much you don’t give a damn in spectacular fashion.]

    I think that guy would do a lot better than some goofball draped in feathers.

    [What you think while reading a blog post far removed from the helter skelter of a club scene is irrelevant to what actually works on women. Mystery says his lay rate went way up when he stopped being a normal guy and started being a showy player.]


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 2:45 pm
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      “I wonder how he does matched up against the non-showy nonconformist don’t-give-a-damn types. I think that guy would do a lot better than some goofball draped in feathers.”

      That’s because, despite your solipsism, you are an average girl and getting you is not the goal of every guy lol

      Mystery’s over-the-top peacocking wasn’t meant for you:

      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aOs3DIvlSjU/T-0a_-lvDEI/AAAAAAAAM8M/4gkht_bdB70/s1600/Horns+Up+Rocks+Tommy+Lee+Fan

      It was meant for the girls who’s day to day lifestyle involves peacocking because they’re confident enough to enjoy being the center of attention…those girls won’t even notice the non-showy guy in a chaotic nightclub, but they’ll notice a guy like Mystery who cold-approaches their group, and go “this is a guy who gets it” and test him to see if he’s legit/congruent to his image.

      Other guys are invisible standing next to Mystery because he’s so over-the-top, the same way you would be invisible to most men if you were standing beside these girls lol:

      [CH: Well said. A lot of complaints from girls on this board and similar boards are a result of them being average lookers. Average girls are put off by ostentatious men because such men make them feel their averageness. They know these men aren’t putting on the show for them, but for their hotter competition.]


  • Ryan Vann
    on March 20, 2014 at 8:20 am
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    Gotta agree here; I think the guy is huckster attempting to trick nerds into looking like complete goobers and making asses of themselves. A basic rule of thumb, if it has a film crew, it is complete fabricated bullshit.


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 8:33 am
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      Another rule of thumb: guys who claim pickup footage is all paid actresses don’t go out because they haven’t experienced girls being attracted to them quickly so they have to claim it’s all fake instead of accepting that they aren’t attractive to women and stepping their game up. If you were going out and running game and trying peacocking out, you’d see it all for yourself.

      The evidence that game works is all around you, you just have to go out and open your eyes.



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YaReally
on March 19, 2014 at 2:53 pm
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Usual Mystery disclaimer for any haters:

Mystery’s goal was to pick up strippers, bartenders, and the crazy peacocked up chicks partying in Hollywood/Vegas nightclubs that other guys just stare at from afar. So his level of peacocking was meant for those girls, not the plain jane 6 at your local pub where it would be overkill.

Did he get them all the time? No. Did he look weird going out like that to a lot of people/girls? Ya. Doesn’t matter, his intent was going for the peacocked girls where his level of peacocking put him on their radar where Bob from accounting in a button-down is invisible.

The usual Mystery vid for the haters:

And one last note: Science now backs up all the shit he taught everyone…but he didn’t have a room full of scientists and shit to safely gather the results. He went out night after night in tough cities like snowy Toronto and pretentious L.A. and put himself out there, for public ridicule, slowly narrowing down the keys to all this. Nobody hating on him would EVER have the balls to put themselves out there the way he did, just to gather knowledge to then share with other men. I know a shit-ton of guys who won’t even go out dressed NORMAL and approach girls because they’re terrified of social pressure and judgement. Dude was ballsy as fuck.


  • diablox
    on March 19, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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    where is he now?

    http://www.datingskillsreview.com/images/profiles/Mystery-Erik-von-Markovik/mystery-erik-von-markovik-daughter-girlfriend2.jpg

    oh yeah, that’s right. can’t peacock your way out of your “internal game” or “frame” of being a punk bitch.


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 4:36 pm
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      Irrelevant (and not the worst fate if you ARE a dude who wants to settle down with a wife hotter than most 40+yo guys have and raise a kid).

      He could go out and suck a bunch of dicks and it wouldn’t change the face that he’s seen more and hotter pussy than you will in your life, and has contributed more to the benefit of men and getting men laid than you could ever hope to.

      But keep throwing those stones lol we’re all waiting to see your video montage. :)


      • Hunter
        on March 19, 2014 at 4:53 pm
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        My goal is pretty much the model hoes. Don’t care how long it takes.


        • YaReally
          on March 19, 2014 at 5:38 pm
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          “Don’t care how long it takes.”

          That’s why you’ll get them one day, while other guys make excuses for their lack of success. :)

          Have fun this weekend! Any girl who didn’t get laid for St. Patty’s is on the prowl to make up for it lol


      • diablox
        on March 19, 2014 at 8:43 pm
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        way to refute my points with straw man arguments once again, you RSD shill

        the point was, like the rest of your idols, the guy was beta to the CORE. all the mimicry in the world doesn’t change the fact he wifed a cumdump who smokes squares in front of her bastard while he pushes the stroller

        enjoy the boa’s tyler tickles your balls with i guess


        • YaReally
          on March 19, 2014 at 9:20 pm
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          Again, irrelevant. What he does now or where he ended up doesn’t change the validity of the knowledge he taught. The first guy to figure out lifting heavy things made your muscles grow probably didn’t end up looking like Bruce Lee or Schwartzeneger. He started the knowledge and people passed it down through generations and improved on it.

          You’re too caught up in your jealousy-boner to realize how silly you look. Brb an athlete became fat and out of shape so his game-winning touchdowns and all the football strategy he taught other players to win hundreds of games is no longer relevant.

          I tried recording a video but my camera couldn’t zoom out far enough to capture all of your mom.


          • YaReally
            on March 20, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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            “philosophy or dogma (at least through one’s lifetime) should remain consistent”

            He was basically the first go at it. Back when he was doing his shit there wasn’t much focus on internal game. These days PUAs are taught to handle their internal shit to avoid ending up with just an alpha coating over a beta interior.

            That’s why I say you’re man-crush on Mystery’s love songs is irrelevant. He started something that we’ve improved on, but wouldn’t be improving on if it weren’t for his hard work and personal sacrifice.

            “until you post some “video montages” you’re still fraudin by your own professed player standard, jokes aside.”

            You’re the one talking smack about the guy who basically created mainstream pickup so the onus is on you to show us your results are better than his so that we know why we should give a shit what you’re saying. Except you can’t show us your results are better, because they aren’t, you don’t have to pussyfoot around trying to deflect it, we can all tell lol


          • YaReally
            on March 22, 2014 at 2:46 pm
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            @diablox
            “stop with the “lol” all the goddamn time, are you a 12 y/o gash w/ her first flip phone? ”

            lol I might steal that one.



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YaReally
on March 19, 2014 at 2:53 pm
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Usual Mystery disclaimer for any haters:

Mystery’s goal was to pick up strippers, bartenders, and the crazy peacocked up chicks partying in Hollywood/Vegas nightclubs that other guys just stare at from afar. So his level of peacocking was meant for those girls, not the plain jane 6 at your local pub where it would be overkill.

Did he get them all the time? No. Did he look weird going out like that to a lot of people/girls? Ya. Doesn’t matter, his intent was going for the peacocked girls where his level of peacocking put him on their radar where Bob from accounting in a button-down is invisible.

The usual Mystery vid for the haters:

And one last note: Science now backs up all the shit he taught everyone…but he didn’t have a room full of scientists and shit to safely gather the results. He went out night after night in tough cities like snowy Toronto and pretentious L.A. and put himself out there, for public ridicule, slowly narrowing down the keys to all this. Nobody hating on him would EVER have the balls to put themselves out there the way he did, just to gather knowledge to then share with other men. I know a shit-ton of guys who won’t even go out dressed NORMAL and approach girls because they’re terrified of social pressure and judgement. Dude was ballsy as fuck.


  • diablox
    on March 19, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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    where is he now?

    oh yeah, that’s right. can’t peacock your way out of your “internal game” or “frame” of being a punk bitch.


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 4:36 pm
      Original Link

      Irrelevant (and not the worst fate if you ARE a dude who wants to settle down with a wife hotter than most 40+yo guys have and raise a kid).

      He could go out and suck a bunch of dicks and it wouldn’t change the face that he’s seen more and hotter pussy than you will in your life, and has contributed more to the benefit of men and getting men laid than you could ever hope to.

      But keep throwing those stones lol we’re all waiting to see your video montage. :)


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 5:38 pm
      Original Link

      “Don’t care how long it takes.”

      That’s why you’ll get them one day, while other guys make excuses for their lack of success. :)

      Have fun this weekend! Any girl who didn’t get laid for St. Patty’s is on the prowl to make up for it lol


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 9:20 pm
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      Again, irrelevant. What he does now or where he ended up doesn’t change the validity of the knowledge he taught. The first guy to figure out lifting heavy things made your muscles grow probably didn’t end up looking like Bruce Lee or Schwartzeneger. He started the knowledge and people passed it down through generations and improved on it.

      You’re too caught up in your jealousy-boner to realize how silly you look. Brb an athlete became fat and out of shape so his game-winning touchdowns and all the football strategy he taught other players to win hundreds of games is no longer relevant.

      I tried recording a video but my camera couldn’t zoom out far enough to capture all of your mom.


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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      “philosophy or dogma (at least through one’s lifetime) should remain consistent”

      He was basically the first go at it. Back when he was doing his shit there wasn’t much focus on internal game. These days PUAs are taught to handle their internal shit to avoid ending up with just an alpha coating over a beta interior.

      That’s why I say you’re man-crush on Mystery’s love songs is irrelevant. He started something that we’ve improved on, but wouldn’t be improving on if it weren’t for his hard work and personal sacrifice.

      “until you post some “video montages” you’re still fraudin by your own professed player standard, jokes aside.”

      You’re the one talking smack about the guy who basically created mainstream pickup so the onus is on you to show us your results are better than his so that we know why we should give a shit what you’re saying. Except you can’t show us your results are better, because they aren’t, you don’t have to pussyfoot around trying to deflect it, we can all tell lol


    • YaReally
      on March 22, 2014 at 2:46 pm
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      @diablox
      “stop with the “lol” all the goddamn time, are you a 12 y/o gash w/ her first flip phone? ”

      lol I might steal that one.



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pulsotic
on March 19, 2014 at 3:59 pm
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It’s amazing the effect that difference in dress has on women. When I bum it I get no attention. When I peacock I get tons of unprovoked invites and women opening me.


  • little spoon
    on March 19, 2014 at 5:55 pm
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    Opposite for me, BTW. When I dress up I get less attention than when I do nothing- wear little to no makeup, old clothes etc. I’ve noticed this since I was a teenager. I have no idea why, but I get a lot less attention from men when I dress up even though I am told I put on make up really well.


    • RappaccinisDaughter
      on March 20, 2014 at 7:39 am
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      It all depends on what all the other chicks are doing. Discovered this one by accident: The best way to get all kinds of mad attention in a Vegas nightclub is to wear a sober, nun-gray cocktail dress that covers you from collarbone to knees. True story.

      Maybe it was just because I was the only one there who didn’t look like she was available to rent by the hour, I don’t know.


      • YaReally
        on March 20, 2014 at 11:34 am
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        “Maybe it was just because I was the only one there who didn’t look like she was available to rent by the hour, I don’t know.”

        This, esp in Vegas. Plus you blatantly stand out as a fish out of water being dressed down, which means you’re probably a tourist, which means you’re probably easy/DTF because you’re on vacation, which means more guys are going to hit on you because they figure you’re the sure bet. Same way hookers target the guy who looks like a fish out of water because they know he’s more likely to hire them because he’s a tourist spending vacation money.

        Plus what Charlie said, tho personally I’d be more likely to approach the dolled up girl than the plain one, but I’m a PUA so it’s not outside of my reality to get the dolled up girl. An average AFC random Joe would go for the more plain girl because he can actually visualize himself getting/deserving her.



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pulsotic
on March 19, 2014 at 3:59 pm
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It’s amazing the effect that difference in dress has on women. When I bum it I get no attention. When I peacock I get tons of unprovoked invites and women opening me.


  • little spoon
    on March 19, 2014 at 5:55 pm
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    Opposite for me, BTW. When I dress up I get less attention than when I do nothing- wear little to no makeup, old clothes etc. I’ve noticed this since I was a teenager. I have no idea why, but I get a lot less attention from men when I dress up even though I am told I put on make up really well.


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 11:34 am
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      “Maybe it was just because I was the only one there who didn’t look like she was available to rent by the hour, I don’t know.”

      This, esp in Vegas. Plus you blatantly stand out as a fish out of water being dressed down, which means you’re probably a tourist, which means you’re probably easy/DTF because you’re on vacation, which means more guys are going to hit on you because they figure you’re the sure bet. Same way hookers target the guy who looks like a fish out of water because they know he’s more likely to hire them because he’s a tourist spending vacation money.

      Plus what Charlie said, tho personally I’d be more likely to approach the dolled up girl than the plain one, but I’m a PUA so it’s not outside of my reality to get the dolled up girl. An average AFC random Joe would go for the more plain girl because he can actually visualize himself getting/deserving her.



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YaReally
on March 19, 2014 at 6:16 pm
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Another note on peacocking:

I spent a few years running high-end club game where my buddies and I knew bouncers by name and could skip lines/cover/etc. ahead of groups of hot girls with just a handshake.

The dress codes that everyone worries about are basically just to keep out losers. They give the bouncer a free pass to turn you and/or your group down citing “dress code, sorry” if they just don’t like you. If you’re a group of non-white dudes, or your buddy is too drunk, or someone in your group gives off disrespectful vibes, or you’re a group of sausages trying to get into a hot place on a busy night and have no girls with you, etc. etc., the bouncer can instantly shut you all down and cite “you’re wearing sneakers, sorry.” or “sorry, dress-shirts required.” And if you get up in the bouncer’s face, you’re def not getting in easily if at all, but if you give a respectful “ah shit, my bad, I didn’t realize there was a dress code” they have complete authority to go “go on in, just remember for next time”.

While that’s all going on, the “cool” guys will walk right past you in line, wearing sneakers, t-shirts, ball-caps, you name it. Most of that shit, dress codes, paying for drinks, tickets to events (they have STACKS of them upstairs in a back room, they can hand you 20 of them with no fucks given) etc. is for the lower-value masses. When you’re high-value in those enviros the “rules” don’t apply to you anymore.

Remember this when you’re worried about not being able to get in because you didn’t realize you were going to the bar that night and you have your white sneakers…get yourself into a good social upbeat fun state and joke around in the line-up, flirt with some girls in line, big ol’ smile for the bouncer and treat him with respect, ask him how the night’s going or make a joke about drunk chicks, be respectful and polite if he mentions your shoes, and you’re probably going to get in with no problems. When my friends worry about dress codes I just say “it’s fine, dress codes are for ugly people.” lol

So to relate this to the OP, the exact effect that that scientific study is talking about happens: Girls see the guy in the t-shirt and sneakers (looking comfortable with himself and at ease in the environment, of course) among all the guys in button-downs and blazers, and they go “who’s THAT guy? How come they let HIM in?? He must be important?” And when they see that same guy shake hands and joke around with the bartender, it’s pretty much game over. Throw in a “shit, you girls look good tonight. You’re makin’ me feel under-dressed…I look like a bum tonight, you shouldn’t even hang around me.” push/pull that gets those girls giggling and telling you “nooo you look good!! These suit guys are lame!” as you lock-in so it looks like those girls are hitting on you and all the OTHER girls around now see a group of dolled up girls smiling laughing and hitting on the guy in the $10 plain t-shirt while the guys in the $1000 blazer becomes invisible to those girls and, well, you’re pretty much fishing with dynamite lol

ahhh, I miss those days. I moved and now I’m in a more pub/bar-oriented scene now where everyone is dressed down. Having to run a lot more group theory and solo game here, but it’s fun to dust off some old skillsets.


  • Tilikum
    on March 20, 2014 at 1:17 am
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    Yep rules are for poor people And it helps to define what “poor” really means.


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 8:24 am
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      And for the sperg seats: “poor” doesn’t mean financially poor, it means socially/game-lacking. I was probably one of the poorest guys in those venues (guys would regularly pull out literal wads of $100s to pay for drinks, lot of doctors lawyers iBankers etc)…but I was able to wear t-shirts and sneakers because give me 20-min to chat with a bartender on a slow night and I’ll have him feeling like we’ve known eachother for years.

      People value the emotions you make them feel…it’s easier to buy your way in but as I used to put it with my buddies: “sure they RECOGNIZE those guys, but they actually LIKE us.” Learning to build a human connection (aka comfort/rapport, aka Juggler game) is a skill that opens a lot of doors in life.



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YaReally
on March 19, 2014 at 6:16 pm
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Another note on peacocking:

I spent a few years running high-end club game where my buddies and I knew bouncers by name and could skip lines/cover/etc. ahead of groups of hot girls with just a handshake.

The dress codes that everyone worries about are basically just to keep out losers. They give the bouncer a free pass to turn you and/or your group down citing “dress code, sorry” if they just don’t like you. If you’re a group of non-white dudes, or your buddy is too drunk, or someone in your group gives off disrespectful vibes, or you’re a group of sausages trying to get into a hot place on a busy night and have no girls with you, etc. etc., the bouncer can instantly shut you all down and cite “you’re wearing sneakers, sorry.” or “sorry, dress-shirts required.” And if you get up in the bouncer’s face, you’re def not getting in easily if at all, but if you give a respectful “ah shit, my bad, I didn’t realize there was a dress code” they have complete authority to go “go on in, just remember for next time”.

While that’s all going on, the “cool” guys will walk right past you in line, wearing sneakers, t-shirts, ball-caps, you name it. Most of that shit, dress codes, paying for drinks, tickets to events (they have STACKS of them upstairs in a back room, they can hand you 20 of them with no fucks given) etc. is for the lower-value masses. When you’re high-value in those enviros the “rules” don’t apply to you anymore.

Remember this when you’re worried about not being able to get in because you didn’t realize you were going to the bar that night and you have your white sneakers…get yourself into a good social upbeat fun state and joke around in the line-up, flirt with some girls in line, big ol’ smile for the bouncer and treat him with respect, ask him how the night’s going or make a joke about drunk chicks, be respectful and polite if he mentions your shoes, and you’re probably going to get in with no problems. When my friends worry about dress codes I just say “it’s fine, dress codes are for ugly people.” lol

So to relate this to the OP, the exact effect that that scientific study is talking about happens: Girls see the guy in the t-shirt and sneakers (looking comfortable with himself and at ease in the environment, of course) among all the guys in button-downs and blazers, and they go “who’s THAT guy? How come they let HIM in?? He must be important?” And when they see that same guy shake hands and joke around with the bartender, it’s pretty much game over. Throw in a “shit, you girls look good tonight. You’re makin’ me feel under-dressed…I look like a bum tonight, you shouldn’t even hang around me.” push/pull that gets those girls giggling and telling you “nooo you look good!! These suit guys are lame!” as you lock-in so it looks like those girls are hitting on you and all the OTHER girls around now see a group of dolled up girls smiling laughing and hitting on the guy in the $10 plain t-shirt while the guys in the $1000 blazer becomes invisible to those girls and, well, you’re pretty much fishing with dynamite lol

ahhh, I miss those days. I moved and now I’m in a more pub/bar-oriented scene now where everyone is dressed down. Having to run a lot more group theory and solo game here, but it’s fun to dust off some old skillsets.


  • Tilikum
    on March 20, 2014 at 1:17 am
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    Yep rules are for poor people And it helps to define what “poor” really means.


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 8:24 am
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      And for the sperg seats: “poor” doesn’t mean financially poor, it means socially/game-lacking. I was probably one of the poorest guys in those venues (guys would regularly pull out literal wads of $100s to pay for drinks, lot of doctors lawyers iBankers etc)…but I was able to wear t-shirts and sneakers because give me 20-min to chat with a bartender on a slow night and I’ll have him feeling like we’ve known eachother for years.

      People value the emotions you make them feel…it’s easier to buy your way in but as I used to put it with my buddies: “sure they RECOGNIZE those guys, but they actually LIKE us.” Learning to build a human connection (aka comfort/rapport, aka Juggler game) is a skill that opens a lot of doors in life.



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Will
on March 19, 2014 at 10:09 pm
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Mystery kinda looks like a creeper emo dude who wears make-up. If he actually gets high SMV girls looking like that then maybe I’ll consider ‘peacocking’ every now and then. His earings are kinda gay too–are you emo?

If anyone has better alternatives to peacocking other than looking like that shoot out some suggestions–cause that seems overboard maybe. CH mentioned a necklace but i’ve heard that’s hit or miss. shoes for sure. maybe a fedora for special occasions lol. but if you’re going to a bar that is a bold move…BUT then again it’s better to err on the side of too much boldness….hahah now i’m thinking mysterys look aint to bad….fuck


  • Amy
    on March 20, 2014 at 8:54 am
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    You can do it without looking gay. Just something that makes you stick out. When I met my bf we were at a club with a dress code and he had ratty jeans on and chuck taylors. With dog hair on his sweater, lol. Not really peacocking but point being he looked different than everyone else. He didn’t care about dressing up or looking good.

    [CH: So peacocking works.]


    • Amy
      on March 20, 2014 at 9:40 am
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      If peacocking is just wearing something that makes you stick out, yea it works. Girls like guys who don’t give a damn what they think.

      If peacocking means wearing effeminate clothes and makeup to get chicks to talk to you, yea that works too… to the extent you’re auditioning to be my gay boyfriend. I’ll hang out with anyone who’s fun. But it doesn’t mean I’m sexually attracted.

      So like I said, I’m sure he gets noticed and people end up liking him and thinking he’s cool and fun. I just don’t understand how he builds attraction.


      • YaReally
        on March 20, 2014 at 10:17 am
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        @Amy
        “If peacocking is just wearing something that makes you stick out, yea it works.”

        Aaaaaaand this is why we didn’t let girls on PUA forums back in the day. What a fucking waste of people’s time/energy engaging you in discussion when you’re too retarded to actually learn wtf the terms you’re arguing about mean.

        Jesus lol Don’t you have a boyfriend to give you attention or something instead of us?


        • Amy
          on March 20, 2014 at 11:10 am
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          Ummmm genius. Here’s the definition from CH’s post:

          “Peacocking: the art of dressing ostentatiously to attract positive female attention.”

          Ostentatious: Characterized by vulgar or pretentious display; designed to impress or attract notice. Synonyms: flashy, gaudy.

          I’ll break it down for you: Dressing down because you don’t give a **** is the opposite of dressing in a vulgar and pretentious way. So it didn’t sound like peacocking to me, as it was defined above. That’s why I clarified the definition.

          Back to CH’s definition: I said above that dressing in a feather boa and earrings may be ostentatious, but it’s also feminine. So I questioned how peacocking by looking like a GIRL could work to generate sexual attraction.

          Do you understand now? Are you sober? Lol


          • YaReally
            on March 20, 2014 at 12:36 pm
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            “or attract notice.”

            There you go. Dressing down in an environment where other guys are dressed up is attracting notice. Or you could do some reading and read Mystery’s shit, the guy who coined the term for PUA purposes:

            http://www.venusianarts.com/team/mystery/

            “Peacocking – Dressing to stand out, or to have an item of clothing or an accessory that looks interesting, allowing the girl to comment on it if she is interested in starting a conversation with you.”

            “Dressing to stand out”

            Do you understand now? Are you sober? Lololololz


          • YaReally
            on March 21, 2014 at 1:38 pm
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            “Nice skim over the rest of the definition there, killer.”

            …yes, because the word “or” means either set of words on both sides of the word “or” applies. If someone says “you could go fishing or swimming”, if you choose to go swimming, that does not mean that you are fishing. That’s how the English language uses.

            When you run around saying “he has a pole and bait in his hand, that’s not swimming!!! This is stoooopid!!! When I swim, I’m in the water swinging my arms!!! You guys don’t know what you’re talking about!!”, and someone says “uhhh, we’re talking about fishing, the definition is fishing or swimming” and you go “WAY TO IGNORE TEH REST OF THE OPTIONSSSS!!!!”, you are an idiot.

            Are you ESL or what? lol


          • YaReally
            on March 21, 2014 at 1:39 pm
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            “That’s how the English language uses.”

            lol


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 10:06 am
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      “Not really peacocking but point being he looked different than everyone else.”

      http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130506163828/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/0/05/Jackie-chan-meme.jpg



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Will
on March 19, 2014 at 10:09 pm
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Mystery kinda looks like a creeper emo dude who wears make-up. If he actually gets high SMV girls looking like that then maybe I’ll consider ‘peacocking’ every now and then. His earings are kinda gay too–are you emo?

If anyone has better alternatives to peacocking other than looking like that shoot out some suggestions–cause that seems overboard maybe. CH mentioned a necklace but i’ve heard that’s hit or miss. shoes for sure. maybe a fedora for special occasions lol. but if you’re going to a bar that is a bold move…BUT then again it’s better to err on the side of too much boldness….hahah now i’m thinking mysterys look aint to bad….fuck


  • Amy
    on March 20, 2014 at 8:54 am
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    You can do it without looking gay. Just something that makes you stick out. When I met my bf we were at a club with a dress code and he had ratty jeans on and chuck taylors. With dog hair on his sweater, lol. Not really peacocking but point being he looked different than everyone else. He didn’t care about dressing up or looking good.

    [CH: So peacocking works.]


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 10:06 am
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      “Not really peacocking but point being he looked different than everyone else.”


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 10:17 am
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      @Amy
      “If peacocking is just wearing something that makes you stick out, yea it works.”

      Aaaaaaand this is why we didn’t let girls on PUA forums back in the day. What a fucking waste of people’s time/energy engaging you in discussion when you’re too retarded to actually learn wtf the terms you’re arguing about mean.

      Jesus lol Don’t you have a boyfriend to give you attention or something instead of us?


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 12:36 pm
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      “or attract notice.”

      There you go. Dressing down in an environment where other guys are dressed up is attracting notice. Or you could do some reading and read Mystery’s shit, the guy who coined the term for PUA purposes:

      http://www.venusianarts.com/team/mystery/

      “Peacocking – Dressing to stand out, or to have an item of clothing or an accessory that looks interesting, allowing the girl to comment on it if she is interested in starting a conversation with you.”

      “Dressing to stand out”

      Do you understand now? Are you sober? Lololololz


    • YaReally
      on March 21, 2014 at 1:38 pm
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      “Nice skim over the rest of the definition there, killer.”

      …yes, because the word “or” means either set of words on both sides of the word “or” applies. If someone says “you could go fishing or swimming”, if you choose to go swimming, that does not mean that you are fishing. That’s how the English language uses.

      When you run around saying “he has a pole and bait in his hand, that’s not swimming!!! This is stoooopid!!! When I swim, I’m in the water swinging my arms!!! You guys don’t know what you’re talking about!!”, and someone says “uhhh, we’re talking about fishing, the definition is fishing or swimming” and you go “WAY TO IGNORE TEH REST OF THE OPTIONSSSS!!!!”, you are an idiot.

      Are you ESL or what? lol


    • YaReally
      on March 21, 2014 at 1:39 pm
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      “That’s how the English language uses.”

      lol



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JohnnyBoy
on March 18, 2014 at 2:42 pm
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This post could be summarized by: Guys like girls who can be whores in bed.

But doesn’t this point to a problem with our logic? We love girls who are slutty and will let us do anything, so it’s in our best interest to encourage as many girls to be as slutty as possible to increase our bang chances, but then we complain that there aren’t any “good girls” out there. They’re all sluts now.

It seems to me like it was the betas of the yesteryears who couldn’t get laid, so they encouraged their women to be sluttier. The logic being if they’re looser with sex then the betas will have an easier time. Only that didn’t happen. The sluts went for alphas. And now we’re encouraging girls to go even futher into super-slut-mode?


  • YaReally
    on March 18, 2014 at 4:28 pm
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    It’s a lot easier to process this once a guy 1) beats his insecurities that make him jealous that she’s actually touched a dick before she met him, and 2) accepts that there is no madonna or whore, they’re all both of those things and how judgemental the guy she’s interacting with is determines which side of her he gets to see.

    Now cue my haters who are still clinging to their unicorn hunt lol


    • thrust
      on March 18, 2014 at 10:23 pm
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      dude it’s not a unicorn hunt. it’s a fine line between whore and marriage material. marriage ain’t in your paradigm? happy days, it’s in mine and a kill count matters to this guy.

      much respect.


      • YaReally
        on March 19, 2014 at 8:21 am
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        @thrust

        “it’s in mine and a kill count matters to this guy.”

        And that’s why she simply won’t tell you her real count. Because they spend their entire lives from puberty on, learning to read which people will judge them and erring on the side of being cautious about who they tell the truth to.

        She’ll let you think you’re the first to appease your ego/insecurity, and she may even convince herself “that one blowjob didn’t count I didn’t even like him. And that time in Mexico well I won’t ever see Juan again so that doesn’t count.” A handful of girls I’ve done fucked up stuff with have txted me about how they’re trying to get their BF to do it too and how they’re pretending it’s their first time.

        There are women with higher and lower sex drives, but if you think the 7/10+ college girl in a major city in 2014 hasn’t touched a few cocks, you live in a dream world lol


        • Amy
          on March 19, 2014 at 8:31 am
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          I had a comment on this that got eaten… everyone assumes that the girl who is willing to be a slut with you is by nature promiscuous. It’s not true. There are girls who need the security of a monogamous relationship to BE slutty in bed with you.


          • YaReally
            on March 19, 2014 at 10:47 am
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            “There are girls who need the security of a monogamous relationship”

            aka “security of a monogamous relationship” = “the belief that you won’t judge them, which they believe, from social conditioning or from personal experience, comes with being in a monogamous relationship” (ie – “okay, he’s my boyfriend now, so he won’t judge me”). Of course most girls aren’t that naive and know that their boyfriend in a monogamous relationship WILL probably judge them if they say they had a gangbang in college and want to be choke-fucked etc. so they’ll take those things to the grave or find a guy on the side who won’t judge them to do those things with.

            Regardless, the core mechanic of what you’re saying and what I’m saying is the same: if you create a situation where a woman won’t feel judged for expressing her sexuality, and encourage her to, and are attractive and high-value to her, she will express that sexuality.


        • thrust
          on March 19, 2014 at 11:01 am
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          lol dude. she did. because i gamed her. 13 kills at 19. not everything is black and white in game. you of all people should know this.

          I also recognize most girls are sluts etc. did she count bjs? nope, why? I asked about her kill count, and got it.

          It lowed her value in my eyes, which is always a positive strike against the pedestal. Hence why since yesterday she’s my ex.

          Your post was a little to Scray in nature – I understand where you’re coming from in teaching this to the guys – ripping apart their paradigms – you’ve helped me along the way and I sincerely appreciate that.

          tl dr: there’s more than one way to skin a cat.


          • YaReally
            on March 19, 2014 at 11:06 am
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            “It lowed her value in my eyes, which is always a positive strike against the pedestal. Hence why since yesterday she’s my ex.”

            My point is just that if you’re dumping her because you think you’re going to find some pristine 20yo virgin “freak in the sheets but not on the streets” to marry these days, you’re on a unicorn hunt.


        • JohnnyBoy
          on March 19, 2014 at 11:06 am
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          @YaReally

          I hear you, and I absolutely agree. But at the same time, doesn’t it strike you as a jaded view? It seems absolutely accurate to hold those kinds of beliefs if your environment is modern-day America. Like you said in your other post:

          “boyfriend in a monogamous relationship WILL probably judge them if they say they had a gangbang in college and want to be choke-fucked etc.”

          Yeah, but there are places out there, or so I’d like to believe, where not literally every chick out there has been gangbanged and choke-fucked to oblivion. It doesn’t really make sense for every girl in the US to have gone through all that. Although it definitely seems like that’s where things are going.

          I mean, just on this site there are articles every week about this very topic. About American/Western girls behaving in such a way. So I don’t understand why we just accept it as “that’s just the way it is”, and not try and actively look for girls who aren’t like that.

          People here, CH included, seem to suggest that fat-shaming is a valid strategy. Because girls being obese isn’t a desired fact. Yet every girl being a mega-slut with bona-fide gangbang experience is something we should cheer?


          • YaReally
            on March 19, 2014 at 11:23 am
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            @JohnnyBoy
            “But at the same time, doesn’t it strike you as a jaded view?”

            I view it as realistic. Give me truth over comfort.

            “It seems absolutely accurate to hold those kinds of beliefs if your environment is modern-day America.”

            I’m dealing with the here and now, not an idealized fantasy world, you know? Like a lot of guys (even ones studying pickup) who don’t go out and hook up with girls still live in the fantasy world Disney sold them because it’s comfortable. It’s very scary, depressing, and can be mentally devastating, to acknowledge that the unicorn might not actually exist, because that unicorn is the key to knowing “everything’s gonna’ be okay”…sure every girl you run into is slutty, but that’s okay, those are just those SLUTS, one day I’ll find a real Good Girl Unicorn who will be faithful and perfect and a virgin and love only me and we’ll have 2.5 kids and live happily ever after.

            Guys have to accept that that’s a fantasy…that that may not exist, and that that may not have EVER existed (though I would say social-shaming helped tone it down once marriage was created, for at least a period of time). Guys have to accept that if they want to settle down and have kids and shit, they might have to pick from the “least worst” option instead of hunting for the non-existent unicorn their whole lives.

            “Yeah, but there are places out there, or so I’d like to believe, where not literally every chick out there has been gangbanged and choke-fucked to oblivion.”

            Ya, probably. But how much is too much? If she fantasizes about it, is she now not marriage quality? Because if she’s fantasized about it and hasn’t done it and you aren’t going to bring your friends over to gangbang her, can you really marry her and have kids with her and all that, knowing that in the back of her head she wishes your buddies would run a train on her?

            If even just her fantasizing about that stuff makes her a slut, then you’re looking for some place where girls don’t have sexual fantasies. Where their sexual fantasy is “a nice guy brings me flowers and then we have missionary sex and I devote myself to him because he treats me nice in bed!” There’s a reason 50 Shades of Grey sold 50 bajillion copies lol Read My Secret Garden and its sequel by Nancy Friday, a collection of fucked up chick fantasies where chicks are dreaming about getting fucked by dogs and shit.

            Even if you could find a girl who didn’t have some fucked up fantasies, she would probably be practically asexual and a shitty lay, so that’s not even a prize really.

            “So I don’t understand why we just accept it as “that’s just the way it is”, and not try and actively look for girls who aren’t like that.”

            You absolutely CAN look for the unicorn. Fat abrasive feminists writing their online dating profiles are convinced that a 6’4″ rich doctor with 6-pack abs who loves her for who she is on the inside is going to come along on his white horse and whisk them away to the chapel to get married…of course by 35 they own two cats and it spirals downhill from there…but it’s totally their choice to hold out for the unicorn if they want. I’m just pointing out reality.

            “Yet every girl being a mega-slut with bona-fide gangbang experience is something we should cheer?”

            Not cheer, but ducking your head in the sand doesn’t make it go away. I think society-wide shaming works in presenting consequences for actions, but you will never ever get society to go back to a world where they shame women for expressing their sexuality. It can’t happen. You can turn down some chick because she told you she had a 3-some with two dudes in college when she was drunk one night, but it will make zero difference in the end because the girl beside her used to wish her ex-boyfriend would choke-fuck her.


          • YaReally
            on March 20, 2014 at 9:38 am
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            @Amy
            I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve heard a girl say “my friends have NEVER done that” not knowing that her friend and I have done EXACTLY that and while DOING that I teased in her ear “god what if your friends knew you were doing this…you love secretly being a dirty little slut, don’t you. Tell me you’re a dirty little slut. What was that? I didn’t hear you…say it so the neighbors can can you.”

            …but keep touting that bullshit for the guys who are on the fence, I mean how else will you get them to marry you?

            @Johnny
            “Are you though? I’d say you’ve constructed yourself your own fantasy world.”

            I’d say that’s because you haven’t seen what I’ve seen. Everyone tends to think PUAs are just out there slamming easy slutty bar star chicks. A lot of us run day game and we meet your shy quiet married co-worker Janice at a book store and it goes down the same way it does in a nightclub except the sun is out. But she’s not going to announce “hey I fucked some dude I met who took me on an insta-date after teasing me in a bookstore! I’m a big dirty slut everyone!!!” She’s going to take that secret to her grave.

            “But most of the world isn’t modern-day America.”

            Oop here we go with this argument…

            “Take a trip to Japan one day and try and live that kind of lifestyle there. You’d find that you hit a brick-wall pretty fast.”

            Sure thing. While I’m there, I’ll visit the PUA lairs that are running game and living this kind of lifestyle there with no brick-wall. After that I’ll drop by Eastern Europe to do the same. Like, you understand that PUAs exist basically across the world and that a lot of them travel to other countries and that PUA instructors are running bootcamps etc in places like Japan and EE and doing the exact same thing they’re doing here, right? Is this not common knowledge?

            2:05:

            And here’s a montage from around the world, examples of how game doesn’t work in Japan at 2:25:

            Sorry man, girls are girls. I’m sure in some backwoods village in Japan there are pristine virgin girls waiting for some white dude to sweep them off their feet, teach them English, and unlock their repressed sexuality…but even then, who’s to say she’s going to even have a good personality or not have her own baggage etc etc. I mean ya, you can go looking for that, and if that’s what you want I hope you can find it, but I think guys hedging their bets on a unicorn are pretty delusionally optimistic and don’t realize that even if they find it it’ll come with other problems that aren’t in their fantasies. There’s a stereotype of a domineering Japanese wife bossing around her working-himself-into-a-grave husband for a reason, they aren’t all submissive little flowers lol

            “The fact that game exists is a direct response to the changing nature of the sexual marketplace.”

            Or it’s a response to the curtain being pulled back on something that was always happening in the background but was easier to hide before the Internet allowed men to compare notes and share their experiences and see women’s Freudian id on full display in social media. I agree that the amount of acting upon all this was less back in the day when social shaming was acceptable, but those desires were still there, just more repressed and there were bigger consequences for acting on them.

            If you want to go marry a Mormon girl because her culture has socially conditioned her to repress her sexual nature, go nuts…but she will get wet when an attractive guy with game is working his skills on her just like any other girl. It’s hard-wired. And if he’s good at diffusing her shit, she’ll fuck him. Sorry if that makes guys uncomfortable. You can’t stop women from being attracted to hardwired shit, you can only focus on being the most attractive guy you can be and trust that her Hypergamy chooses you.

            You want certainty and security and a guarantee. I’m telling you those don’t exist, those are fantasies constructed by society to convince you that if you put a ring on her finger and pop out 2.5 kids and work your shitty cubicle job and pay your taxes like a good little citizen everything will work out for you. Then you look at divorce statistics and incel statistics and start realizing maybe you’ve been fed a few lies but it’s too painful to fully let go of the hope that somewhere out there in some Mormon village there’s a “guarantee” where you can finally relax and not worry anymore because you found the loophole and won.

            “I don’t see that it’s unreasonable to assume that just because someone has a fantasy about something, they’re not magically forced to act on it.”

            Could you marry and raise kids with a woman who told you she had fantasies about getting raped by a group of big strong black dudes with huge cocks? That when you guys fuck she closes her eyes and pictures a big jacked black dude instead? That she fakes her orgasms with you because you’re okay but your dick is pretty average sized and she can really only cum with you if she closes her eyes and pretends your cock and hands belong I multiple guys? What if she told you she wanted to fuck a dog? That she doesn’t know why but she’s turned on by the thought of sucking a dog’s cock and having it rail her?

            I mean, she isn’t acting on those things, so you’d be cool with all that in your future wife and mother of your kids and co-owner of your dog, right?

            Sorry to pull back the curtain, I know the light is blinding lol

            Like I get what you’re saying, I really do. But you’re talking in ideals of “well it SHOULD be this other way”. How do you propose we change things? Do we start a world-wide slut shaming campaign? Do you think anyone would participate in that or that it would get off the ground at all before feminists called for your head? Like, sure, it’d be great if girls all just wanted to touch one dick and only fantasized about the guy they marry…it would be great if their vaginas poured out thousand dollar bills too. But that’s not the world we live in and it’s not a world we can create, so what are you suggesting we do? I say accept reality and enjoy the poolside view.


          • YaReally
            on March 21, 2014 at 2:00 pm
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            @Amy

            “but also aren’t gangbanging sluts with high notch counts”

            That’s because they’re either:

            1) too young to have much experience

            2) haven’t been exposed to many attractive guys worth fucking

            3) haven’t been exposed to many attractive guys worth fucking who also are ballsy enough to instigate fucked up stuff in bed

            4) have done that stuff but have hamster-rationalized that it didn’t count so they truly believe they aren’t that type of girl and get really defensive on the internet when a guy brings the subject up lol

            5) have issues with sexual repression that will translate to being a shitty lay anyway

            6) haven’t been in situations where they won’t get judged for doing those things (ie – some chick in the 1950s living in a puritanical village where everyone knows eachother)

            7) have low sex drives which again goes to being shitty in bed in terms of long-term investment if you’re a guy who has a normal to high sex drive

            Most of these come down to opportunity. Put any girl in the situation of:

            - being surrounded by men she finds extremely sexually attractive
            - knowing there will be no consequences at all to her actions, no one will judge her, the sex will be safe so no STDs or pregnancy, etc.
            - the guys will be cool guys who make her feel good and adventurous about the whole thing
            - the guys can tell exactly what her most secret sexy fantasies in her imagination that she gets herself off to are and will bring those to life
            - no one will EVER know or find out what she did, she’s totally anonymous

            And then add to that situation:

            - her boyfriend at home is a disappointing lay
            - she’s mad or dissatisfied by her husband
            - she’s horny
            - she hasn’t been laid good in a while
            - she has any kind of sex drive and fantasies

            And she will fuck her brains out. Most guys aren’t very good at constructing this situation, or reading her situation to tell what factors are aligned for it…but guys who can figure that stuff out and help her feel all the stuff I listed above, she’ll do shit with him that she won’t tell you about.

            “get real, you think it’s a state secret that girls like to be dominated in bed?”

            I don’t know, would you like me to link all the articles that are shocked, SHOCKED at how well 50 Shades of Grey sold? Maybe all the message board threads by husbands who are shocked that their wife is into that?

            “Or that you’re the only man doing it?”

            Very few men do. Especially on the first bang with a new girl. Most guys are nervous just taking a girl’s bra off.

            “but they want that from a boyfriend, in a relationship”

            awwwe, cute, is Disney paying you to keep spreading that nonsense?

            Let’s look at a relationship. What happens in a relationship? The girl, in getting to know the guy, learns:

            - he’s sexually attractive
            - there won’t be consequences to her actions, he won’t judge her
            - he’ll make her feel good and adventurous about it
            - he knows what her secret sexy fantasies are and brings them to life
            - he won’t tell anyone because they’re in a relationship

            HUH. WEIRD. WHERE HAVE I SEEN THAT LIST BEFORE???? lol. Really all you’re doing is re-enforcing my point, that that’s all it takes for a chick to open the sexual floodgates. PUAs learn to trigger all that stuff extremely fast (building attraction, comfort, rapport, etc. quickly). Basically we make the girl feel as though she’s known us for years and that we’re as safe as a boyfriend would be etc.

            “they just met puking in an alley behind a club”

            Game only works on drunk bar sluts. Guys who game are drunk losers!!11

            “But you wouldn’t know that, because you aren’t pulling them.”

            They aren’t telling you when I do.

            “easy girls go out during the day.”

            GAME ONLY WORKS ON SLUTTY EASY SLUT SLUTS!!! IT WOULDN’T WORK ON MY FRIENDS!!!11

            “I couldn’t care less what you think”

            Doesn’t seem that way.

            “but this is for all the guys that read your ridiculous bullshit”

            Weird, those exact words describe why I’m replying to you. Maybe you’d be happier over at Hooking Up Smart or Jezebel where you can keep feeding guys bullshit blue-pill brainwashing?

            “thinking all girls have notch counts over 30 and fantasize about three black guys and a pitbull.”

            They don’t all HAVE that experience, but they all have the potential to have that experience and, if given the perfect opportunities as described above, they’ll act on it.

            “but I’m going to keep calling you out on your crap.”

            Please do. Every post you make just proves my shit further.


          • YaReally
            on March 21, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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            @JohnnyBoy

            “about your rhetorical question about marrying a chick who fantasizes about X. Yeah, honestly I wouldn’t give a shit.”

            That’s good and enlightened and shit. Most guys here would cringe at the thought that all that’s separating their wife from a gangbang is opportunity and motive. So it’s good that you aren’t that insecure lol

            “So all I care about is that those kids will be mine, meaning she won’t lie to me and have me raise someone else’s, which a DNA test could tell, and that she’ll be a good mother to them.”

            So you want security. And that’s totally fine. But like, what are we supposed to do about it? Like is slut-shaming going to ensure you have more women to securely choose from? Can we make a world-wide slut-shaming campaign to ensure that women are more likely to pop out kids to their proper fathers? Like what do you propose we do?

            “so I sure as hell don’t expect her to go against hers.”

            Like you’re bringing up “shouldn’t we not be encouraging this?” but it’s like, is that going to do anything? Are girls going to stop getting more sexual based on whether or not we encourage it? We don’t have any sort of power to control that, especially in today’s feminism-washed society.

            Like what do you suggest we do, besides encourage and enjoy it and work on making ourselves high-value enough that our girl doesn’t cheat and have us raise some other dude’s kid?

            “Is there any resource you’d recommend to checking that out?”

            There’s SO much shit on Daygame out there these days that I honestly couldn’t even tell you where to begin lol And most of night game applies to day game except you just tone it back a little bit because ASD is easier to trigger. So you can pretty much type “daygame” into google and youtube and find a ton of stuff.

            Juggler method is super solid for daytime because it’s a lot of comfort/rapport. Paul Janka has a good “numbers game” method for quick daytime sarges (like bus/subway game in a city with a ton of people hurrying about (he games in New York)).

            The biggest problems with Daygame are building social momentum (depending on where you are you could be looking around for 20 minutes for the next set) and breaking out of your head and knowing everyone in the room can hear you etc. So a lot of it is getting past your own internal concerns about having social pressure on you…if you can get past that stuff, the rest is easy.

            You get a million bonus points to the girls just for approaching in the daytime because approaching (while being cool/chill) says you have all that internal shit handled, which is attractive.

            The way to find those “quality” bookstore girls at the bar is to look for the girl in the group who looks uncomfortable being at the bar…that’s the girl who’s been dragged there for a birthday or bachelorette party or by co-workers or for a girls’ night out, and doesn’t normally go out. Chat that girl up and grab her number and boom, you have the same “quality” girl you’d find in a bookstore in the daytime.

            I don’t do daygame because I like the chaos of nightgame (my wing and I just had a huge AMOG battle with like 6 dudes last night, it was super fun) and the girls dress way hotter at the bar and I like the music/environment etc. but when summer comes I might get into it more just because there are so many gorgeous girls out in the summer lol



The Sexiest Words Ever Spoken By A Woman

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on March 18, 2014 at 2:42 pm
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This post could be summarized by: Guys like girls who can be whores in bed.

But doesn’t this point to a problem with our logic? We love girls who are slutty and will let us do anything, so it’s in our best interest to encourage as many girls to be as slutty as possible to increase our bang chances, but then we complain that there aren’t any “good girls” out there. They’re all sluts now.

It seems to me like it was the betas of the yesteryears who couldn’t get laid, so they encouraged their women to be sluttier. The logic being if they’re looser with sex then the betas will have an easier time. Only that didn’t happen. The sluts went for alphas. And now we’re encouraging girls to go even futher into super-slut-mode?


  • YaReally
    on March 18, 2014 at 4:28 pm
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    It’s a lot easier to process this once a guy 1) beats his insecurities that make him jealous that she’s actually touched a dick before she met him, and 2) accepts that there is no madonna or whore, they’re all both of those things and how judgemental the guy she’s interacting with is determines which side of her he gets to see.

    Now cue my haters who are still clinging to their unicorn hunt lol


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 8:21 am
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      @thrust

      “it’s in mine and a kill count matters to this guy.”

      And that’s why she simply won’t tell you her real count. Because they spend their entire lives from puberty on, learning to read which people will judge them and erring on the side of being cautious about who they tell the truth to.

      She’ll let you think you’re the first to appease your ego/insecurity, and she may even convince herself “that one blowjob didn’t count I didn’t even like him. And that time in Mexico well I won’t ever see Juan again so that doesn’t count.” A handful of girls I’ve done fucked up stuff with have txted me about how they’re trying to get their BF to do it too and how they’re pretending it’s their first time.

      There are women with higher and lower sex drives, but if you think the 7/10+ college girl in a major city in 2014 hasn’t touched a few cocks, you live in a dream world lol


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 10:47 am
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      “There are girls who need the security of a monogamous relationship”

      aka “security of a monogamous relationship” = “the belief that you won’t judge them, which they believe, from social conditioning or from personal experience, comes with being in a monogamous relationship” (ie – “okay, he’s my boyfriend now, so he won’t judge me”). Of course most girls aren’t that naive and know that their boyfriend in a monogamous relationship WILL probably judge them if they say they had a gangbang in college and want to be choke-fucked etc. so they’ll take those things to the grave or find a guy on the side who won’t judge them to do those things with.

      Regardless, the core mechanic of what you’re saying and what I’m saying is the same: if you create a situation where a woman won’t feel judged for expressing her sexuality, and encourage her to, and are attractive and high-value to her, she will express that sexuality.


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 11:06 am
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      “It lowed her value in my eyes, which is always a positive strike against the pedestal. Hence why since yesterday she’s my ex.”

      My point is just that if you’re dumping her because you think you’re going to find some pristine 20yo virgin “freak in the sheets but not on the streets” to marry these days, you’re on a unicorn hunt.


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 11:23 am
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      @JohnnyBoy
      “But at the same time, doesn’t it strike you as a jaded view?”

      I view it as realistic. Give me truth over comfort.

      “It seems absolutely accurate to hold those kinds of beliefs if your environment is modern-day America.”

      I’m dealing with the here and now, not an idealized fantasy world, you know? Like a lot of guys (even ones studying pickup) who don’t go out and hook up with girls still live in the fantasy world Disney sold them because it’s comfortable. It’s very scary, depressing, and can be mentally devastating, to acknowledge that the unicorn might not actually exist, because that unicorn is the key to knowing “everything’s gonna’ be okay”…sure every girl you run into is slutty, but that’s okay, those are just those SLUTS, one day I’ll find a real Good Girl Unicorn who will be faithful and perfect and a virgin and love only me and we’ll have 2.5 kids and live happily ever after.

      Guys have to accept that that’s a fantasy…that that may not exist, and that that may not have EVER existed (though I would say social-shaming helped tone it down once marriage was created, for at least a period of time). Guys have to accept that if they want to settle down and have kids and shit, they might have to pick from the “least worst” option instead of hunting for the non-existent unicorn their whole lives.

      “Yeah, but there are places out there, or so I’d like to believe, where not literally every chick out there has been gangbanged and choke-fucked to oblivion.”

      Ya, probably. But how much is too much? If she fantasizes about it, is she now not marriage quality? Because if she’s fantasized about it and hasn’t done it and you aren’t going to bring your friends over to gangbang her, can you really marry her and have kids with her and all that, knowing that in the back of her head she wishes your buddies would run a train on her?

      If even just her fantasizing about that stuff makes her a slut, then you’re looking for some place where girls don’t have sexual fantasies. Where their sexual fantasy is “a nice guy brings me flowers and then we have missionary sex and I devote myself to him because he treats me nice in bed!” There’s a reason 50 Shades of Grey sold 50 bajillion copies lol Read My Secret Garden and its sequel by Nancy Friday, a collection of fucked up chick fantasies where chicks are dreaming about getting fucked by dogs and shit.

      Even if you could find a girl who didn’t have some fucked up fantasies, she would probably be practically asexual and a shitty lay, so that’s not even a prize really.

      “So I don’t understand why we just accept it as “that’s just the way it is”, and not try and actively look for girls who aren’t like that.”

      You absolutely CAN look for the unicorn. Fat abrasive feminists writing their online dating profiles are convinced that a 6’4″ rich doctor with 6-pack abs who loves her for who she is on the inside is going to come along on his white horse and whisk them away to the chapel to get married…of course by 35 they own two cats and it spirals downhill from there…but it’s totally their choice to hold out for the unicorn if they want. I’m just pointing out reality.

      “Yet every girl being a mega-slut with bona-fide gangbang experience is something we should cheer?”

      Not cheer, but ducking your head in the sand doesn’t make it go away. I think society-wide shaming works in presenting consequences for actions, but you will never ever get society to go back to a world where they shame women for expressing their sexuality. It can’t happen. You can turn down some chick because she told you she had a 3-some with two dudes in college when she was drunk one night, but it will make zero difference in the end because the girl beside her used to wish her ex-boyfriend would choke-fuck her.


    • YaReally
      on March 20, 2014 at 9:38 am
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      @Amy
      I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve heard a girl say “my friends have NEVER done that” not knowing that her friend and I have done EXACTLY that and while DOING that I teased in her ear “god what if your friends knew you were doing this…you love secretly being a dirty little slut, don’t you. Tell me you’re a dirty little slut. What was that? I didn’t hear you…say it so the neighbors can can you.”

      …but keep touting that bullshit for the guys who are on the fence, I mean how else will you get them to marry you?

      @Johnny
      “Are you though? I’d say you’ve constructed yourself your own fantasy world.”

      I’d say that’s because you haven’t seen what I’ve seen. Everyone tends to think PUAs are just out there slamming easy slutty bar star chicks. A lot of us run day game and we meet your shy quiet married co-worker Janice at a book store and it goes down the same way it does in a nightclub except the sun is out. But she’s not going to announce “hey I fucked some dude I met who took me on an insta-date after teasing me in a bookstore! I’m a big dirty slut everyone!!!” She’s going to take that secret to her grave.

      “But most of the world isn’t modern-day America.”

      Oop here we go with this argument…

      “Take a trip to Japan one day and try and live that kind of lifestyle there. You’d find that you hit a brick-wall pretty fast.”

      Sure thing. While I’m there, I’ll visit the PUA lairs that are running game and living this kind of lifestyle there with no brick-wall. After that I’ll drop by Eastern Europe to do the same. Like, you understand that PUAs exist basically across the world and that a lot of them travel to other countries and that PUA instructors are running bootcamps etc in places like Japan and EE and doing the exact same thing they’re doing here, right? Is this not common knowledge?

      2:05:

      And here’s a montage from around the world, examples of how game doesn’t work in Japan at 2:25:

      Sorry man, girls are girls. I’m sure in some backwoods village in Japan there are pristine virgin girls waiting for some white dude to sweep them off their feet, teach them English, and unlock their repressed sexuality…but even then, who’s to say she’s going to even have a good personality or not have her own baggage etc etc. I mean ya, you can go looking for that, and if that’s what you want I hope you can find it, but I think guys hedging their bets on a unicorn are pretty delusionally optimistic and don’t realize that even if they find it it’ll come with other problems that aren’t in their fantasies. There’s a stereotype of a domineering Japanese wife bossing around her working-himself-into-a-grave husband for a reason, they aren’t all submissive little flowers lol

      “The fact that game exists is a direct response to the changing nature of the sexual marketplace.”

      Or it’s a response to the curtain being pulled back on something that was always happening in the background but was easier to hide before the Internet allowed men to compare notes and share their experiences and see women’s Freudian id on full display in social media. I agree that the amount of acting upon all this was less back in the day when social shaming was acceptable, but those desires were still there, just more repressed and there were bigger consequences for acting on them.

      If you want to go marry a Mormon girl because her culture has socially conditioned her to repress her sexual nature, go nuts…but she will get wet when an attractive guy with game is working his skills on her just like any other girl. It’s hard-wired. And if he’s good at diffusing her shit, she’ll fuck him. Sorry if that makes guys uncomfortable. You can’t stop women from being attracted to hardwired shit, you can only focus on being the most attractive guy you can be and trust that her Hypergamy chooses you.

      You want certainty and security and a guarantee. I’m telling you those don’t exist, those are fantasies constructed by society to convince you that if you put a ring on her finger and pop out 2.5 kids and work your shitty cubicle job and pay your taxes like a good little citizen everything will work out for you. Then you look at divorce statistics and incel statistics and start realizing maybe you’ve been fed a few lies but it’s too painful to fully let go of the hope that somewhere out there in some Mormon village there’s a “guarantee” where you can finally relax and not worry anymore because you found the loophole and won.

      “I don’t see that it’s unreasonable to assume that just because someone has a fantasy about something, they’re not magically forced to act on it.”

      Could you marry and raise kids with a woman who told you she had fantasies about getting raped by a group of big strong black dudes with huge cocks? That when you guys fuck she closes her eyes and pictures a big jacked black dude instead? That she fakes her orgasms with you because you’re okay but your dick is pretty average sized and she can really only cum with you if she closes her eyes and pretends your cock and hands belong I multiple guys? What if she told you she wanted to fuck a dog? That she doesn’t know why but she’s turned on by the thought of sucking a dog’s cock and having it rail her?

      I mean, she isn’t acting on those things, so you’d be cool with all that in your future wife and mother of your kids and co-owner of your dog, right?

      Sorry to pull back the curtain, I know the light is blinding lol

      Like I get what you’re saying, I really do. But you’re talking in ideals of “well it SHOULD be this other way”. How do you propose we change things? Do we start a world-wide slut shaming campaign? Do you think anyone would participate in that or that it would get off the ground at all before feminists called for your head? Like, sure, it’d be great if girls all just wanted to touch one dick and only fantasized about the guy they marry…it would be great if their vaginas poured out thousand dollar bills too. But that’s not the world we live in and it’s not a world we can create, so what are you suggesting we do? I say accept reality and enjoy the poolside view.


    • YaReally
      on March 21, 2014 at 2:00 pm
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      @Amy

      “but also aren’t gangbanging sluts with high notch counts”

      That’s because they’re either:

      1) too young to have much experience

      2) haven’t been exposed to many attractive guys worth fucking

      3) haven’t been exposed to many attractive guys worth fucking who also are ballsy enough to instigate fucked up stuff in bed

      4) have done that stuff but have hamster-rationalized that it didn’t count so they truly believe they aren’t that type of girl and get really defensive on the internet when a guy brings the subject up lol

      5) have issues with sexual repression that will translate to being a shitty lay anyway

      6) haven’t been in situations where they won’t get judged for doing those things (ie – some chick in the 1950s living in a puritanical village where everyone knows eachother)

      7) have low sex drives which again goes to being shitty in bed in terms of long-term investment if you’re a guy who has a normal to high sex drive

      Most of these come down to opportunity. Put any girl in the situation of:

      – being surrounded by men she finds extremely sexually attractive
      – knowing there will be no consequences at all to her actions, no one will judge her, the sex will be safe so no STDs or pregnancy, etc.
      – the guys will be cool guys who make her feel good and adventurous about the whole thing
      – the guys can tell exactly what her most secret sexy fantasies in her imagination that she gets herself off to are and will bring those to life
      – no one will EVER know or find out what she did, she’s totally anonymous

      And then add to that situation:

      – her boyfriend at home is a disappointing lay
      – she’s mad or dissatisfied by her husband
      – she’s horny
      – she hasn’t been laid good in a while
      – she has any kind of sex drive and fantasies

      And she will fuck her brains out. Most guys aren’t very good at constructing this situation, or reading her situation to tell what factors are aligned for it…but guys who can figure that stuff out and help her feel all the stuff I listed above, she’ll do shit with him that she won’t tell you about.

      “get real, you think it’s a state secret that girls like to be dominated in bed?”

      I don’t know, would you like me to link all the articles that are shocked, SHOCKED at how well 50 Shades of Grey sold? Maybe all the message board threads by husbands who are shocked that their wife is into that?

      “Or that you’re the only man doing it?”

      Very few men do. Especially on the first bang with a new girl. Most guys are nervous just taking a girl’s bra off.

      “but they want that from a boyfriend, in a relationship”

      awwwe, cute, is Disney paying you to keep spreading that nonsense?

      Let’s look at a relationship. What happens in a relationship? The girl, in getting to know the guy, learns:

      – he’s sexually attractive
      – there won’t be consequences to her actions, he won’t judge her
      – he’ll make her feel good and adventurous about it
      – he knows what her secret sexy fantasies are and brings them to life
      – he won’t tell anyone because they’re in a relationship

      HUH. WEIRD. WHERE HAVE I SEEN THAT LIST BEFORE???? lol. Really all you’re doing is re-enforcing my point, that that’s all it takes for a chick to open the sexual floodgates. PUAs learn to trigger all that stuff extremely fast (building attraction, comfort, rapport, etc. quickly). Basically we make the girl feel as though she’s known us for years and that we’re as safe as a boyfriend would be etc.

      “they just met puking in an alley behind a club”

      Game only works on drunk bar sluts. Guys who game are drunk losers!!11

      “But you wouldn’t know that, because you aren’t pulling them.”

      They aren’t telling you when I do.

      “easy girls go out during the day.”

      GAME ONLY WORKS ON SLUTTY EASY SLUT SLUTS!!! IT WOULDN’T WORK ON MY FRIENDS!!!11

      “I couldn’t care less what you think”

      Doesn’t seem that way.

      “but this is for all the guys that read your ridiculous bullshit”

      Weird, those exact words describe why I’m replying to you. Maybe you’d be happier over at Hooking Up Smart or Jezebel where you can keep feeding guys bullshit blue-pill brainwashing?

      “thinking all girls have notch counts over 30 and fantasize about three black guys and a pitbull.”

      They don’t all HAVE that experience, but they all have the potential to have that experience and, if given the perfect opportunities as described above, they’ll act on it.

      “but I’m going to keep calling you out on your crap.”

      Please do. Every post you make just proves my shit further.


    • YaReally
      on March 21, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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      @JohnnyBoy

      “about your rhetorical question about marrying a chick who fantasizes about X. Yeah, honestly I wouldn’t give a shit.”

      That’s good and enlightened and shit. Most guys here would cringe at the thought that all that’s separating their wife from a gangbang is opportunity and motive. So it’s good that you aren’t that insecure lol

      “So all I care about is that those kids will be mine, meaning she won’t lie to me and have me raise someone else’s, which a DNA test could tell, and that she’ll be a good mother to them.”

      So you want security. And that’s totally fine. But like, what are we supposed to do about it? Like is slut-shaming going to ensure you have more women to securely choose from? Can we make a world-wide slut-shaming campaign to ensure that women are more likely to pop out kids to their proper fathers? Like what do you propose we do?

      “so I sure as hell don’t expect her to go against hers.”

      Like you’re bringing up “shouldn’t we not be encouraging this?” but it’s like, is that going to do anything? Are girls going to stop getting more sexual based on whether or not we encourage it? We don’t have any sort of power to control that, especially in today’s feminism-washed society.

      Like what do you suggest we do, besides encourage and enjoy it and work on making ourselves high-value enough that our girl doesn’t cheat and have us raise some other dude’s kid?

      “Is there any resource you’d recommend to checking that out?”

      There’s SO much shit on Daygame out there these days that I honestly couldn’t even tell you where to begin lol And most of night game applies to day game except you just tone it back a little bit because ASD is easier to trigger. So you can pretty much type “daygame” into google and youtube and find a ton of stuff.

      Juggler method is super solid for daytime because it’s a lot of comfort/rapport. Paul Janka has a good “numbers game” method for quick daytime sarges (like bus/subway game in a city with a ton of people hurrying about (he games in New York)).

      The biggest problems with Daygame are building social momentum (depending on where you are you could be looking around for 20 minutes for the next set) and breaking out of your head and knowing everyone in the room can hear you etc. So a lot of it is getting past your own internal concerns about having social pressure on you…if you can get past that stuff, the rest is easy.

      You get a million bonus points to the girls just for approaching in the daytime because approaching (while being cool/chill) says you have all that internal shit handled, which is attractive.

      The way to find those “quality” bookstore girls at the bar is to look for the girl in the group who looks uncomfortable being at the bar…that’s the girl who’s been dragged there for a birthday or bachelorette party or by co-workers or for a girls’ night out, and doesn’t normally go out. Chat that girl up and grab her number and boom, you have the same “quality” girl you’d find in a bookstore in the daytime.

      I don’t do daygame because I like the chaos of nightgame (my wing and I just had a huge AMOG battle with like 6 dudes last night, it was super fun) and the girls dress way hotter at the bar and I like the music/environment etc. but when summer comes I might get into it more just because there are so many gorgeous girls out in the summer lol



Comment Of The Week: My Freaking Awesome Beta Male Husband

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Reservoir Tip
on March 17, 2014 at 5:17 pm
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Quick Q.

Oftentimes when I talk to girls, they’ll point out my baby face; it’s an obvious shit test. It’d be nice if it appealed to their motherly instinct and drew them to me even more, but that isn’t the case.

Possible replies?

Last time a girl said it I replied, “yeah, I should really be dating Christie Brinkley.”

Not the best, obviously, but it was on the spot and moved things along.

Also, as I work on gaming taller girls at college, situations often occur where another another taller guy will try to butt in and cockblock me. What’s a good way to reframe and move the interaction back into my favor?


  • YaReally
    on March 18, 2014 at 10:24 am
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    “Oftentimes when I talk to girls, they’ll point out my baby face; it’s an obvious shit test.”

    They wouldn’t test you if they weren’t attracted. 8:15 in this vid:

    I’d use some variation of that bit, where you tell her it makes girls let their guard down and think you’re innocent so you can bang them easier.

    “What’s a good way to reframe and move the interaction back into my favor?”

    http://www.youknowyoulovefashion.com/storage/trueblood/season5/0512/0512RikkiAlcide2.jpg



Comment Of The Week: My Freaking Awesome Beta Male Husband

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Reservoir Tip
on March 17, 2014 at 5:17 pm
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Quick Q.

Oftentimes when I talk to girls, they’ll point out my baby face; it’s an obvious shit test. It’d be nice if it appealed to their motherly instinct and drew them to me even more, but that isn’t the case.

Possible replies?

Last time a girl said it I replied, “yeah, I should really be dating Christie Brinkley.”

Not the best, obviously, but it was on the spot and moved things along.

Also, as I work on gaming taller girls at college, situations often occur where another another taller guy will try to butt in and cockblock me. What’s a good way to reframe and move the interaction back into my favor?


  • YaReally
    on March 18, 2014 at 10:24 am
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    “Oftentimes when I talk to girls, they’ll point out my baby face; it’s an obvious shit test.”

    They wouldn’t test you if they weren’t attracted. 8:15 in this vid:

    I’d use some variation of that bit, where you tell her it makes girls let their guard down and think you’re innocent so you can bang them easier.

    “What’s a good way to reframe and move the interaction back into my favor?”



Comment Of The Week: My Freaking Awesome Beta Male Husband

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Libertardian
on March 17, 2014 at 5:38 pm
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From Twitter:
“Tucker was shocked, and couldn’t believe this. But after extensive research, he found that indeed it was true: There was nothing out there that explained sex and dating to young men in an honest, informative, and actionable way.”

“The above quote is BS. Tucker “missed” the manosphere and is trying to make some moolah.”

The quote is true, but it isn’t some insight he just now had. He wrote a couple of posts about game (and his amazement at the fact that 99% of young men today don’t have any) back in the early 2000s. He also posted a positive review on his discussion board (which is sadly long gone) of Neil Strauss’ book when it came out. One thing Strauss noticed, and that Tucker called attention to, is that chumps are willing to throw endless amounts of money at this problem, and that makes the PUA business attractive to hucksters.


  • Arbiter
    on March 18, 2014 at 9:10 am
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    It is a blatant lie to say that there is “nothing out there that explained sex and dating to young men”.

    And why use the word “actionable” when normal English would work? I am always suspicious of those who sound like this.

    Now look at him in Twitter, using a strawman argument. When one guy says that “whatever you write we’ll just link to Chateau Heartiste and show that it’s been said already,” Max Tucker writes that “you’re right dude. Everything there is to know is on heartise. We can all stop learning now.” Strawman argument. No one said “everything” is on Heartiste. (And learn the goddamn spelling.”

    But what really pisses me off is when the bastard writes “Manosphere is mostly dressed up residue of pua.” Ridiculous. Anyone who has taken a look at the manosphere knows there is an enormous amount of information that never existed in the PUA writings of the past. Both insights about game and discussions about men’s issues today as a whole. Max Tucker knows this too. He is lying. He knows the manosphere won’t be fooled, but he is hoping to fool others who read what he writes.

    Max Tucker’s tactic now will be to present himself as the relaxed and “normal” guy who comes up new things, while the manosphere falsely claims that he has stolen it from them and are simply unwashed masses who shouldn’t be listened to.

    And he will be helped in this by some journalists who know exactly what he is doing, I am sure. Some people will listen to him because it is the first time they hear about the material. Others will know the manosphere was first, but will keep quiet because “Max Tucker has a chance of breaking through to the mainstream”. This is how movements are hijacked. It has happened many, many times.


    • laidnyc
      on March 18, 2014 at 10:16 am
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      Good analysis. Entryism kills good movements.

      Watch Tucker fail shit tests and lose frame here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHP3_0gBaEI

      Those cougars smile and taunt, Tucker points and sputters, exasperated. This is why they’ll be happy to let him into the Overton Window. If Tucker Max is your opposition, your narrative is safe.


      • YaReally
        on March 18, 2014 at 11:12 am
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        That video is awesome lol the entire comment section on it is all agreeing with him. He could’ve kept his cool but tree was so much retardedness being thrown at him that it would be hard not to roll your eyes at those two.

        In their view: girls want commitment, guys don’t want to give them commitment, so that’s a problem. But if guys want sex and girls don’t want to give them sex, that’s okay. If a girl wants commitment from a guy she has to either bring more to the table to convince him she’s worth committing to or just not get anything, and that’s a problem…but if a guy wants sex he has to either bring more to the table to convince her he’s worth giving sex to or just not get anything and that’s okay.

        They’re literally mad because the tables have flipped and now girls have to work to get what they want lol they would give zero fucks about how unfair it is for men who want casual sex but can’t get it, if things flippe back. And they have no idea that they’re biased this way lol

        Anyway this interview goes back to what I said on Rollo’s comments back when that Manosphere dude went on TV without showing his face: you will never ever ever convince the MSM directly to see your point, Tucker would NEVER convince these two silly women to change their ridiculous views and understand logic because they don’t WANT to understand anything…BUT, where the victories are won is in the audience where men (and women) are watching and going “huh you know this guy kind of makes sense….” and typing his name into Google.

        You will never convince Oprah, you will never convince Oprah’s studio audience, you probably won’t even convince the fat Bon-Bon eating wives at home watching Oprah…but you might convince that wife’s husband passing by the couch, who hasn’t had sex in a year and who knows something is wrong with the life following society’s rules got him. THAT guy is going to Google “manosphere” and start learning. That’s the mindset anyone going public should be going in with, and anyone watching interviews should be looking at (ie – not “did he convince those retarded women?” but instead “were valid points made that would strike a cord with a dissatisfied man watching?”)


    • YaReally
      on March 18, 2014 at 10:44 am
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      “But what really pisses me off is when the bastard writes “Manosphere is mostly dressed up residue of pua.” Ridiculous.”

      I agree with him. The Manosphere is basically PUA repackaged and delivered in a more digestible form to guys who want explanations and to learn about the fix but don’t want to actually put in the dedication PUA takes…that’s why there’s so much mental masturbation and gay race/politics/etc fighting in the Manosphere from guys who go out approaching once a week (if that) and bang 6s. This is like the nice safe version of PUA but all the concepts come FROM PUA.

      Put it this way: everyone in the Manosphere knows about PUA and the major PUA companies/resources. Most PUAs have no idea CH/Rollo/Roosh even exist (no offense to them). Part of why I post here is because I see bits and pieces of PUA sprinkled to guys and I can expand on those bits and pieces in my replies because I learned from the original sources (aka PUA and the field).

      “Anyone who has taken a look at the manosphere knows there is an enormous amount of information that never existed in the PUA writings of the past. Both insights about game and discussions about men’s issues today as a whole.”

      “Hypergamy” is the main thing the Manosphere has made popular that PUAs have never heard of, buuuut we’ve only never heard of that specific word. We still understood and taught that women want the higher value man, so the concept is still from PUA, just repackaged.

      The Manosphere definitely covers a wider array of topics, like men’s issues in general, and marriages and shit and I like that stuff but when it comes to actual pickup, Tucker is right that the Manosphere is just dressed up residue of PUA. That’s not a bad thing tho, whatever gets the information out to as many men in whatever forms necessary, I’m all for it. Plus Manosphere writers tend to be better at writing in general so CH/Rollo’s stuff is a delight to read compared to, say, early RSDTyler’s “TRUST ME GUYS THIS IS THE SHIT RIGHT HERE!!” writing lol


      • Lurking Gorilla
        on March 18, 2014 at 12:52 pm
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        YaReally, this is off topic but you said before that once you’re in an LTR it’s difficult or impossible to segue into an open relationship, because (paraphrasing) “she’ll feel like something has gone wrong with her, that she’s no longer good enough”.

        What’s a man to do? I will never be in an open LTR where she has carte blanch to sleep around, If others can do that, cool, more power to them. I just can’t. I’ve been wracking my brain about this for months. How do you set up an open arrangement where you can sleep around, but she must be loyal sexually? I feel like a slimebag tapping ass on the side and lying to her, but it’s not in my nature to be monogamous even if I love the girl (I do love my gf).

        Does your main gf remain monogamous to you? If she didn’t, would that be a dealbreaker? If you’ve written about this before I’d appreciate a link to it, I’ll trawl over every word.


        • YaReally
          on March 18, 2014 at 5:06 pm
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          @Lurking Gorilla

          I cover a lot of this in these posts:

          http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=how+open+relationships+frame

          But cover your concern specifically (her fucking other dudes) in this one:

          http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/6/#comment-heartiste-347499

          “I will never be in an open LTR where she has carte blanch to sleep around, If others can do that, cool, more power to them. I just can’t.”

          The trick is to understand that Hypergamy changes the way the deal plays out. Women want to fuck the highest value man they can fuck. They don’t generally care about racking up notches on their belt the way men do. They want the best, the top dog. So as long as, to her, you’re the best man around, she’ll turn down other cock for yours.

          So an “open relationship” is really just a very strategic gamble, understanding how women’s Hypergamy works, that ends up being an “I fuck a bunch of other women and you just fuck me” arrangement because of human nature.

          The catch on your end is that you have to continue to be better than other men, but 1) that’s not that hard to do, other men are lame and if you have game and understand the Red Pill and what’s ACTUALLY attractive to women, it’s really not a concern, and 2) that’s something you should be doing anyway for yourself as a man who respects himself.

          ie – if you tell a girl “k, open relationship” and then you still hit the gym, still go out with friends, still eat healthy, still dress stylish, still groom well, still have goals in life, still strive to get places in your career, still take up new hobbies/interests, still challenge yourself and set personal goals, still flirt with waitresses in front of her, etc. your girl will never bother going for other cock even though you’ve given her permission to and you’re banging other girls on the side…hell if anything, you banging other girls just makes you more attractive to her because it helps a shitload of your sub-communications be attractive.

          But if you tell a girl “k, open relationship” and then you lay on a couch all day, complain about how much you hate your job, drink beer and eat fried chicken while you watch sports and get fat and slothy, stop taking care of your body and style and grooming, escape into mindless reality TV every night, quit putting effort into sex (your shitty diet/exercise will probably fuck that up for you anyway), stop hanging out with your friends, stop flirting with waitresses in front of her (or worse, flirt BADLY with them, because now you’re a gross piece of shit who hasn’t been around other women in a month and you’re trying to flirt when you haven’t flirted in ages), etc. etc, then ya, she’s going to go out and suck a bunch of dick.

          You CAN expressly state “I get to fuck around and you don’t”, VS running the oLTR gambit above, but 1) she will test the fuck out of you on it, 2) it’s a lower percentage play, and 3) you’ll have to screen a lot more for a woman that’ll go for it because now you’re consciously making demands VS just letting nature play out organically (ie – in the gambit you’re letting HER decide to only fuck you, VS demanding she only fuck you which she’s more likely to resist or act out against).

          “How do you set up an open arrangement where you can sleep around, but she must be loyal sexually?”

          Well, YOU can’t, with your current mindset. Because the very fact that you’re worried about her banging other men says 1) you don’t understand Hypergamy, and 2) it’s conceivable in your mind in ANY capacity that another man could actually be more attractive to you and you would have to worry about her wanting to fuck another man besides you…like, jealousy by definition is being worried about her fucking another man, but if she’s only going to fuck the highest value man then you are inherently exuding the vibe that “there are other men out there who are higher value than me” which makes you, by definition, lower value than other men in your own mind, which makes you, by extrapolation, lower value than other men in HER mind, and then she goes and fucks her boss at work.

          Understand? Like, this is a situation where you want to be delusional. It’s an INSANE notion to me that another man could be more attractive to my Primary GF than me. It’s laughable, it wouldn’t even enter my head. George Clooney could walk in the room and I would still act like I’m more attractive to my girl than he could possibly be. It radiates in my sub-communications. I trust that my confidence will keep her Hypergamy focused on me and that she’ll follow her Hypergamous instincts and stay with me.

          It’s one of those things where if you try it with 99% belief, it won’t work. It takes 100% belief. Like if you say to a girl you’ve cold-approached “Hey, come with me” and try to pull her by the arm, but you have like 60% belief, she’ll pull away. But if you have 100% belief, she’ll fall into your frame and go along with it.

          “I feel like a slimebag tapping ass on the side and lying to her, but it’s not in my nature to be monogamous even if I love the girl (I do love my gf).”

          If you’ve been dating in a monogamous (as far as she knows) relationship, you’re stuck, because you have to set the frame from the start. So get used to the lying and sneaking around slimebag lifestyle and use that guilt you feel to fuel you doing things right from the start with your next GF.

          “Does your main gf remain monogamous to you?”

          I’ve never been cheated on. Guys will say “oh whatever, you can’t know what she’s doing 24/7″ but those are generally guys who haven’t been rockstar levels of high-value to their GFs and seen what it’s like when the girl is head over heels for you over a long period of time…those are usually guys who let themselves go and got cheated on because they became low-value to their girl. Or guys will say “well I knew this one rich good-looking badass dude who got cheated on!!” and it’s like no, you knew a rich good-looking badass dude who, for whatever reason (reasons you’ll probably never be privvy to, maybe personal specific reasons to her like she views guys wearing red shirts as low value because of whatever baggage is in her past and he started wearing red shirts too often), became low-value in his girls’ eyes and got cheated on.

          The most that’s happened (with fuckbuddies as I’m establishing this dynamic) is that she might test me at the start, like fuck a guy or pretend to have fucked a guy, just to test my frame and see if it shakes me…but in my mind other guys just make me look more awesome because other guys are lamer than me, so even THAT fuels my delusional frame, which she’ll naturally fall into it, and come back to me and not do it again. If I let myself go and let my value drop, she might test me again and see if I shape up or stay low-value and unattractive and then I’d become Captain Cuckold.

          The biggest thing guys have to understand is that their value fluctuates constantly. You don’t become a badass top dog and then marry your beautiful 9 wife and then you’re just automatically still that badass top dog forever…if you don’t actively work on yourself and work on staying that badass top dog, you will lose value in her eyes, and she will look around and see or meet other guys who are higher value than you to her, and she’ll start cheating on you with them instead. But that’s your fault because you gave up and let yourself become low-value, or you didn’t learn game and understand what makes high/low value and simply got blindsided which is totally unfair but all the more reason this stuff needs to be taught to as many men as possible.

          “If she didn’t, would that be a dealbreaker?”

          Not to me, because I don’t care…long as she’s safe about it and doesn’t come over without a bunch of showers and shit lol Realistically though, I offer better sex than like 99% of guys, so if she went out and banged some other guy I know that he would be a shitty lay compared to me and it would be a one or two time thing max before she realizes “ok YaReally is way better than this random bar dude who’s hands shake nervously when he asks if it’s okay to take my bra off”.

          But I have buddies who it would be a dealbreaker for. They have ways of handling it (Soft Nexts, Freeze-outs, etc.) but it’s too much drama for me…I’d rather set the frame up front and let things play out, VS doing constant damage control.

          “If you’ve written about this before I’d appreciate a link to it, I’ll trawl over every word.”

          Good luck!


          • YaReally
            on March 19, 2014 at 11:00 am
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            @Klem
            “I’m reaching a point in my game where I can sleep with really attractive girls (model looking etc.), but past a few bangs, the interest always seems to fade, and I just dont know why

            So so frustrating!! I’m thinking that maybe I’m not fucking them well enough, not talking about stamina or weird kamasutra positions and stuff, but I feel like I lack more in the psychological department

            I dont really get how to relate emotionally with a girl, to give the “full range of emotions” like Julien talks about. I’m basically a chill and fun guy who’s non-judgemental or jealous, but I feel like sometimes this is too “plain”, like the girls get bored of that”

            All good, man. A lot of guys go through this. A lot of it comes from social conditioning: we expect girls to be precious Disney princess flowers, especially the ones we LIKE, so it’s a mind-fuck to think about taking that same cute girl you’re flirting with and calling her a dirty little slut etc. Last weekend I literally had a former FB txting me while she was drinking “wish you were here to slap me…” She’s dating some big roided up ex-military dude but he’s lame in bed and she knows I’d fuck her the way most guys won’t, because she’s the dolled-up type so most guys see a girl like that and are like “oh I don’t want to mess this perfect product up, she spent so long on her hair, I’m not going to drag her around by it and ruin it!!” etc.

            That’s a big part of it too, is how hot she is. A lot of guys will treat a 6 like a slut in bed because they instinctively hate the 6 a bit for being average/ugly but being all they have access to, so they can vent in a kind of hate-fuck which she loves…but no one will treat an 8+ that way. They’ll do gay romantic sex…meanwhile that girl might have fantasies of starring in the next meatholes video lol

            Not all girls want rough sex of course…the trick is to learn to calibrate and dig around her fantasies and figure out what turns her on, and then bring those fantasies to life for her. Like 99% of a girl’s orgasm is mental, so when you have her mentally engaged and turned on that’s way better to her than just jack-hammering away at her pussy lol

            Here’s a big chunk of cut ‘n paste from my archives that should help you get on the right track:

            lol this was similar to my attitude when I was a shy awkward nerdy hermit living in my computer room. I read/watched as much about sex as I could so that if I DID finally get a girlfriend someday, I would be amazing in bed.

            I’m lazy and not in great shape, so I’m big on finding ways to get a girl off that don’t involve basically doing a thousand sit-ups as fast as possible. I recommend:

            Squirting 101 – you can find clips from it around the net, but I recommend torrent’ing the full video. This shit blows girls’ mind…I make pretty much every girl I’m with squirt, and if she doesn’t full-out gushing squirt (some girls squirt more than others, I was hooking up with a chick who could give Cytheria a run for her money lol I stopped seeing her ’cause having to let the bed dry out for a day and a half was too inconvenient), they at LEAST have an epic orgasm thru manipulating the g-spot while going down on them etc. I recommend this vid ’cause this guy’s description and demonstration of the technique is solid and you can see how other guys don’t get what he’s doing and can’t pull it off.

            Sex God Method – Give this a read. A woman’s orgasm is primarily mental. Understanding that it’s not about how big your dick is or how deep you can thrust or how long you can pound away is key…if you understand how to turn her on mentally, tease her, build things up etc., you can get her to a state where she’s literally orgasming as soon as your dick slides in her. Ya, there are girls who just love a good hard pounding and it’s good to do that now and then if you can, but even then everything is enhanced a shit-load when you understand how to turn her mind on.

            The sad/funny part of it is that even just watching/learning from those two sources, you’ll be light-years ahead of 90% of guys. My player buddies and I always quiz girls on other guy’s techniques and shit and it’s the same story over and over…the dude just rails away at her as fast/hard as he can go trying to show off, and half the time she doesn’t even get off. Girls don’t come back to me for my charming personality lol…they come back to me because I know how to fuck them proper.

            The key is in quality over quantity. Like I could just bend her over and try to thrust away for 30 min, and ya, the thrusting feels good to her because there are nerves down there, but it’s nothing special and might not even get her off.

            But if instead of that, I bend her over with a little more force, grab a fist-ful of her hair with one hand pulling her head back, wrap my other arm around her throat so it’s in the crook(?) of my elbow and growl into her ear making her feel like she’s helplessly being fucked by some kind of animal, and I do that after an hour of building up the sexual tension and teasing her with fingers/oral getting her close to the edge and backing off before she orgasms etc., and as I finish I talk dirty into her ear, cover her mouth with my hand, etc., I can just fuck for a couple minutes and it’ll send her over the edge because I’m creating an entire experience for her…and I don’t have to do nearly as much work as the 30 min of thrusting lol

            Even with oral/fingers, you don’t have to ram away at that shit. Do a bunch of teasing and not-quite-touching, breathing on it, super slow light licks etc. The anticipation/build-up is more exciting than blasting away. Ideally I like to tease them at the edge until they get to the point where any light touch I do feels super intense. Sometimes I’ll just do the absolute lightest touches through their orgasm and it drives them nuts.

            “I’m thinking of hiring a classy escort to teach me every damn thing.”

            I’ve never fucked one, but honestly I can’t see them teaching you much. They probably fuck a LOT of shitty lays (if those guys were good lays, they wouldn’t need a hooker), and I’ve found that most girls don’t even realize they can squirt or understand wtf I’m doing down there that’s blowing their mind. Like the hotness and/or amount of sex a woman has had doesn’t seem to have any real correlation to how well they know their bodies or how much they know about sex.

            You’ll gain a lot more knowledge from checking out Squirting101 and Sex God Method. What I would do if I was you is check those out, and then call up any of your current/past hookups that you can call up, even if they’re not hot, and try the techniques out on them…especially the squirting stuff. As soon as you pull your fingers in the right place the girl can tell you’re doing something different so that one’s pretty quick to tell “hey, she’s really responding to this”…get the timing right (do it when she’s turned on and closer to orgasm VS right at the start) and you’re likely in for a show lol



Comment Of The Week: My Freaking Awesome Beta Male Husband

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via Heartiste

Libertardian
on March 17, 2014 at 5:38 pm
Original Link

From Twitter:
“Tucker was shocked, and couldn’t believe this. But after extensive research, he found that indeed it was true: There was nothing out there that explained sex and dating to young men in an honest, informative, and actionable way.”

“The above quote is BS. Tucker “missed” the manosphere and is trying to make some moolah.”

The quote is true, but it isn’t some insight he just now had. He wrote a couple of posts about game (and his amazement at the fact that 99% of young men today don’t have any) back in the early 2000s. He also posted a positive review on his discussion board (which is sadly long gone) of Neil Strauss’ book when it came out. One thing Strauss noticed, and that Tucker called attention to, is that chumps are willing to throw endless amounts of money at this problem, and that makes the PUA business attractive to hucksters.


  • Arbiter
    on March 18, 2014 at 9:10 am
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    It is a blatant lie to say that there is “nothing out there that explained sex and dating to young men”.

    And why use the word “actionable” when normal English would work? I am always suspicious of those who sound like this.

    Now look at him in Twitter, using a strawman argument. When one guy says that “whatever you write we’ll just link to Chateau Heartiste and show that it’s been said already,” Max Tucker writes that “you’re right dude. Everything there is to know is on heartise. We can all stop learning now.” Strawman argument. No one said “everything” is on Heartiste. (And learn the goddamn spelling.”

    But what really pisses me off is when the bastard writes “Manosphere is mostly dressed up residue of pua.” Ridiculous. Anyone who has taken a look at the manosphere knows there is an enormous amount of information that never existed in the PUA writings of the past. Both insights about game and discussions about men’s issues today as a whole. Max Tucker knows this too. He is lying. He knows the manosphere won’t be fooled, but he is hoping to fool others who read what he writes.

    Max Tucker’s tactic now will be to present himself as the relaxed and “normal” guy who comes up new things, while the manosphere falsely claims that he has stolen it from them and are simply unwashed masses who shouldn’t be listened to.

    And he will be helped in this by some journalists who know exactly what he is doing, I am sure. Some people will listen to him because it is the first time they hear about the material. Others will know the manosphere was first, but will keep quiet because “Max Tucker has a chance of breaking through to the mainstream”. This is how movements are hijacked. It has happened many, many times.


    • YaReally
      on March 18, 2014 at 10:44 am
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      “But what really pisses me off is when the bastard writes “Manosphere is mostly dressed up residue of pua.” Ridiculous.”

      I agree with him. The Manosphere is basically PUA repackaged and delivered in a more digestible form to guys who want explanations and to learn about the fix but don’t want to actually put in the dedication PUA takes…that’s why there’s so much mental masturbation and gay race/politics/etc fighting in the Manosphere from guys who go out approaching once a week (if that) and bang 6s. This is like the nice safe version of PUA but all the concepts come FROM PUA.

      Put it this way: everyone in the Manosphere knows about PUA and the major PUA companies/resources. Most PUAs have no idea CH/Rollo/Roosh even exist (no offense to them). Part of why I post here is because I see bits and pieces of PUA sprinkled to guys and I can expand on those bits and pieces in my replies because I learned from the original sources (aka PUA and the field).

      “Anyone who has taken a look at the manosphere knows there is an enormous amount of information that never existed in the PUA writings of the past. Both insights about game and discussions about men’s issues today as a whole.”

      “Hypergamy” is the main thing the Manosphere has made popular that PUAs have never heard of, buuuut we’ve only never heard of that specific word. We still understood and taught that women want the higher value man, so the concept is still from PUA, just repackaged.

      The Manosphere definitely covers a wider array of topics, like men’s issues in general, and marriages and shit and I like that stuff but when it comes to actual pickup, Tucker is right that the Manosphere is just dressed up residue of PUA. That’s not a bad thing tho, whatever gets the information out to as many men in whatever forms necessary, I’m all for it. Plus Manosphere writers tend to be better at writing in general so CH/Rollo’s stuff is a delight to read compared to, say, early RSDTyler’s “TRUST ME GUYS THIS IS THE SHIT RIGHT HERE!!” writing lol


    • YaReally
      on March 18, 2014 at 11:12 am
      Original Link

      That video is awesome lol the entire comment section on it is all agreeing with him. He could’ve kept his cool but tree was so much retardedness being thrown at him that it would be hard not to roll your eyes at those two.

      In their view: girls want commitment, guys don’t want to give them commitment, so that’s a problem. But if guys want sex and girls don’t want to give them sex, that’s okay. If a girl wants commitment from a guy she has to either bring more to the table to convince him she’s worth committing to or just not get anything, and that’s a problem…but if a guy wants sex he has to either bring more to the table to convince her he’s worth giving sex to or just not get anything and that’s okay.

      They’re literally mad because the tables have flipped and now girls have to work to get what they want lol they would give zero fucks about how unfair it is for men who want casual sex but can’t get it, if things flippe back. And they have no idea that they’re biased this way lol

      Anyway this interview goes back to what I said on Rollo’s comments back when that Manosphere dude went on TV without showing his face: you will never ever ever convince the MSM directly to see your point, Tucker would NEVER convince these two silly women to change their ridiculous views and understand logic because they don’t WANT to understand anything…BUT, where the victories are won is in the audience where men (and women) are watching and going “huh you know this guy kind of makes sense….” and typing his name into Google.

      You will never convince Oprah, you will never convince Oprah’s studio audience, you probably won’t even convince the fat Bon-Bon eating wives at home watching Oprah…but you might convince that wife’s husband passing by the couch, who hasn’t had sex in a year and who knows something is wrong with the life following society’s rules got him. THAT guy is going to Google “manosphere” and start learning. That’s the mindset anyone going public should be going in with, and anyone watching interviews should be looking at (ie – not “did he convince those retarded women?” but instead “were valid points made that would strike a cord with a dissatisfied man watching?”)


    • YaReally
      on March 18, 2014 at 5:06 pm
      Original Link

      @Lurking Gorilla

      I cover a lot of this in these posts:

      http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=how+open+relationships+frame

      But cover your concern specifically (her fucking other dudes) in this one:

      http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/6/#comment-heartiste-347499

      “I will never be in an open LTR where she has carte blanch to sleep around, If others can do that, cool, more power to them. I just can’t.”

      The trick is to understand that Hypergamy changes the way the deal plays out. Women want to fuck the highest value man they can fuck. They don’t generally care about racking up notches on their belt the way men do. They want the best, the top dog. So as long as, to her, you’re the best man around, she’ll turn down other cock for yours.

      So an “open relationship” is really just a very strategic gamble, understanding how women’s Hypergamy works, that ends up being an “I fuck a bunch of other women and you just fuck me” arrangement because of human nature.

      The catch on your end is that you have to continue to be better than other men, but 1) that’s not that hard to do, other men are lame and if you have game and understand the Red Pill and what’s ACTUALLY attractive to women, it’s really not a concern, and 2) that’s something you should be doing anyway for yourself as a man who respects himself.

      ie – if you tell a girl “k, open relationship” and then you still hit the gym, still go out with friends, still eat healthy, still dress stylish, still groom well, still have goals in life, still strive to get places in your career, still take up new hobbies/interests, still challenge yourself and set personal goals, still flirt with waitresses in front of her, etc. your girl will never bother going for other cock even though you’ve given her permission to and you’re banging other girls on the side…hell if anything, you banging other girls just makes you more attractive to her because it helps a shitload of your sub-communications be attractive.

      But if you tell a girl “k, open relationship” and then you lay on a couch all day, complain about how much you hate your job, drink beer and eat fried chicken while you watch sports and get fat and slothy, stop taking care of your body and style and grooming, escape into mindless reality TV every night, quit putting effort into sex (your shitty diet/exercise will probably fuck that up for you anyway), stop hanging out with your friends, stop flirting with waitresses in front of her (or worse, flirt BADLY with them, because now you’re a gross piece of shit who hasn’t been around other women in a month and you’re trying to flirt when you haven’t flirted in ages), etc. etc, then ya, she’s going to go out and suck a bunch of dick.

      You CAN expressly state “I get to fuck around and you don’t”, VS running the oLTR gambit above, but 1) she will test the fuck out of you on it, 2) it’s a lower percentage play, and 3) you’ll have to screen a lot more for a woman that’ll go for it because now you’re consciously making demands VS just letting nature play out organically (ie – in the gambit you’re letting HER decide to only fuck you, VS demanding she only fuck you which she’s more likely to resist or act out against).

      “How do you set up an open arrangement where you can sleep around, but she must be loyal sexually?”

      Well, YOU can’t, with your current mindset. Because the very fact that you’re worried about her banging other men says 1) you don’t understand Hypergamy, and 2) it’s conceivable in your mind in ANY capacity that another man could actually be more attractive to you and you would have to worry about her wanting to fuck another man besides you…like, jealousy by definition is being worried about her fucking another man, but if she’s only going to fuck the highest value man then you are inherently exuding the vibe that “there are other men out there who are higher value than me” which makes you, by definition, lower value than other men in your own mind, which makes you, by extrapolation, lower value than other men in HER mind, and then she goes and fucks her boss at work.

      Understand? Like, this is a situation where you want to be delusional. It’s an INSANE notion to me that another man could be more attractive to my Primary GF than me. It’s laughable, it wouldn’t even enter my head. George Clooney could walk in the room and I would still act like I’m more attractive to my girl than he could possibly be. It radiates in my sub-communications. I trust that my confidence will keep her Hypergamy focused on me and that she’ll follow her Hypergamous instincts and stay with me.

      It’s one of those things where if you try it with 99% belief, it won’t work. It takes 100% belief. Like if you say to a girl you’ve cold-approached “Hey, come with me” and try to pull her by the arm, but you have like 60% belief, she’ll pull away. But if you have 100% belief, she’ll fall into your frame and go along with it.

      “I feel like a slimebag tapping ass on the side and lying to her, but it’s not in my nature to be monogamous even if I love the girl (I do love my gf).”

      If you’ve been dating in a monogamous (as far as she knows) relationship, you’re stuck, because you have to set the frame from the start. So get used to the lying and sneaking around slimebag lifestyle and use that guilt you feel to fuel you doing things right from the start with your next GF.

      “Does your main gf remain monogamous to you?”

      I’ve never been cheated on. Guys will say “oh whatever, you can’t know what she’s doing 24/7″ but those are generally guys who haven’t been rockstar levels of high-value to their GFs and seen what it’s like when the girl is head over heels for you over a long period of time…those are usually guys who let themselves go and got cheated on because they became low-value to their girl. Or guys will say “well I knew this one rich good-looking badass dude who got cheated on!!” and it’s like no, you knew a rich good-looking badass dude who, for whatever reason (reasons you’ll probably never be privvy to, maybe personal specific reasons to her like she views guys wearing red shirts as low value because of whatever baggage is in her past and he started wearing red shirts too often), became low-value in his girls’ eyes and got cheated on.

      The most that’s happened (with fuckbuddies as I’m establishing this dynamic) is that she might test me at the start, like fuck a guy or pretend to have fucked a guy, just to test my frame and see if it shakes me…but in my mind other guys just make me look more awesome because other guys are lamer than me, so even THAT fuels my delusional frame, which she’ll naturally fall into it, and come back to me and not do it again. If I let myself go and let my value drop, she might test me again and see if I shape up or stay low-value and unattractive and then I’d become Captain Cuckold.

      The biggest thing guys have to understand is that their value fluctuates constantly. You don’t become a badass top dog and then marry your beautiful 9 wife and then you’re just automatically still that badass top dog forever…if you don’t actively work on yourself and work on staying that badass top dog, you will lose value in her eyes, and she will look around and see or meet other guys who are higher value than you to her, and she’ll start cheating on you with them instead. But that’s your fault because you gave up and let yourself become low-value, or you didn’t learn game and understand what makes high/low value and simply got blindsided which is totally unfair but all the more reason this stuff needs to be taught to as many men as possible.

      “If she didn’t, would that be a dealbreaker?”

      Not to me, because I don’t care…long as she’s safe about it and doesn’t come over without a bunch of showers and shit lol Realistically though, I offer better sex than like 99% of guys, so if she went out and banged some other guy I know that he would be a shitty lay compared to me and it would be a one or two time thing max before she realizes “ok YaReally is way better than this random bar dude who’s hands shake nervously when he asks if it’s okay to take my bra off”.

      But I have buddies who it would be a dealbreaker for. They have ways of handling it (Soft Nexts, Freeze-outs, etc.) but it’s too much drama for me…I’d rather set the frame up front and let things play out, VS doing constant damage control.

      “If you’ve written about this before I’d appreciate a link to it, I’ll trawl over every word.”

      Good luck!


    • YaReally
      on March 19, 2014 at 11:00 am
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      @Klem
      “I’m reaching a point in my game where I can sleep with really attractive girls (model looking etc.), but past a few bangs, the interest always seems to fade, and I just dont know why

      So so frustrating!! I’m thinking that maybe I’m not fucking them well enough, not talking about stamina or weird kamasutra positions and stuff, but I feel like I lack more in the psychological department

      I dont really get how to relate emotionally with a girl, to give the “full range of emotions” like Julien talks about. I’m basically a chill and fun guy who’s non-judgemental or jealous, but I feel like sometimes this is too “plain”, like the girls get bored of that”

      All good, man. A lot of guys go through this. A lot of it comes from social conditioning: we expect girls to be precious Disney princess flowers, especially the ones we LIKE, so it’s a mind-fuck to think about taking that same cute girl you’re flirting with and calling her a dirty little slut etc. Last weekend I literally had a former FB txting me while she was drinking “wish you were here to slap me…” She’s dating some big roided up ex-military dude but he’s lame in bed and she knows I’d fuck her the way most guys won’t, because she’s the dolled-up type so most guys see a girl like that and are like “oh I don’t want to mess this perfect product up, she spent so long on her hair, I’m not going to drag her around by it and ruin it!!” etc.

      That’s a big part of it too, is how hot she is. A lot of guys will treat a 6 like a slut in bed because they instinctively hate the 6 a bit for being average/ugly but being all they have access to, so they can vent in a kind of hate-fuck which she loves…but no one will treat an 8+ that way. They’ll do gay romantic sex…meanwhile that girl might have fantasies of starring in the next meatholes video lol

      Not all girls want rough sex of course…the trick is to learn to calibrate and dig around her fantasies and figure out what turns her on, and then bring those fantasies to life for her. Like 99% of a girl’s orgasm is mental, so when you have her mentally engaged and turned on that’s way better to her than just jack-hammering away at her pussy lol

      Here’s a big chunk of cut ‘n paste from my archives that should help you get on the right track:

      lol this was similar to my attitude when I was a shy awkward nerdy hermit living in my computer room. I read/watched as much about sex as I could so that if I DID finally get a girlfriend someday, I would be amazing in bed.

      I’m lazy and not in great shape, so I’m big on finding ways to get a girl off that don’t involve basically doing a thousand sit-ups as fast as possible. I recommend:

      Squirting 101 – you can find clips from it around the net, but I recommend torrent’ing the full video. This shit blows girls’ mind…I make pretty much every girl I’m with squirt, and if she doesn’t full-out gushing squirt (some girls squirt more than others, I was hooking up with a chick who could give Cytheria a run for her money lol I stopped seeing her ’cause having to let the bed dry out for a day and a half was too inconvenient), they at LEAST have an epic orgasm thru manipulating the g-spot while going down on them etc. I recommend this vid ’cause this guy’s description and demonstration of the technique is solid and you can see how other guys don’t get what he’s doing and can’t pull it off.

      Sex God Method – Give this a read. A woman’s orgasm is primarily mental. Understanding that it’s not about how big your dick is or how deep you can thrust or how long you can pound away is key…if you understand how to turn her on mentally, tease her, build things up etc., you can get her to a state where she’s literally orgasming as soon as your dick slides in her. Ya, there are girls who just love a good hard pounding and it’s good to do that now and then if you can, but even then everything is enhanced a shit-load when you understand how to turn her mind on.

      The sad/funny part of it is that even just watching/learning from those two sources, you’ll be light-years ahead of 90% of guys. My player buddies and I always quiz girls on other guy’s techniques and shit and it’s the same story over and over…the dude just rails away at her as fast/hard as he can go trying to show off, and half the time she doesn’t even get off. Girls don’t come back to me for my charming personality lol…they come back to me because I know how to fuck them proper.

      The key is in quality over quantity. Like I could just bend her over and try to thrust away for 30 min, and ya, the thrusting feels good to her because there are nerves down there, but it’s nothing special and might not even get her off.

      But if instead of that, I bend her over with a little more force, grab a fist-ful of her hair with one hand pulling her head back, wrap my other arm around her throat so it’s in the crook(?) of my elbow and growl into her ear making her feel like she’s helplessly being fucked by some kind of animal, and I do that after an hour of building up the sexual tension and teasing her with fingers/oral getting her close to the edge and backing off before she orgasms etc., and as I finish I talk dirty into her ear, cover her mouth with my hand, etc., I can just fuck for a couple minutes and it’ll send her over the edge because I’m creating an entire experience for her…and I don’t have to do nearly as much work as the 30 min of thrusting lol

      Even with oral/fingers, you don’t have to ram away at that shit. Do a bunch of teasing and not-quite-touching, breathing on it, super slow light licks etc. The anticipation/build-up is more exciting than blasting away. Ideally I like to tease them at the edge until they get to the point where any light touch I do feels super intense. Sometimes I’ll just do the absolute lightest touches through their orgasm and it drives them nuts.

      “I’m thinking of hiring a classy escort to teach me every damn thing.”

      I’ve never fucked one, but honestly I can’t see them teaching you much. They probably fuck a LOT of shitty lays (if those guys were good lays, they wouldn’t need a hooker), and I’ve found that most girls don’t even realize they can squirt or understand wtf I’m doing down there that’s blowing their mind. Like the hotness and/or amount of sex a woman has had doesn’t seem to have any real correlation to how well they know their bodies or how much they know about sex.

      You’ll gain a lot more knowledge from checking out Squirting101 and Sex God Method. What I would do if I was you is check those out, and then call up any of your current/past hookups that you can call up, even if they’re not hot, and try the techniques out on them…especially the squirting stuff. As soon as you pull your fingers in the right place the girl can tell you’re doing something different so that one’s pretty quick to tell “hey, she’s really responding to this”…get the timing right (do it when she’s turned on and closer to orgasm VS right at the start) and you’re likely in for a show lol



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Arbiter
on March 13, 2014 at 4:25 pm
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Often when reading here I find myself thinking of Anakin, after having helped dispatch of Jackson’s character, bowing down to the Dark Side emperor with the line “I pledge myself to your teachings.”
With the emperor answering, “Good, good….”

Before that the emperor had thrown thrown his foe out the window with the words “Power! Unlimited power!” Power is a wonderful thing to have, don’t let any woman tell you otherwise. Power in game is awesome.

I submit a concept: sprezzatura. The art that is so smooth, it doesn’t look like art. Or here, the game that is so smooth it doesn’t look like game.

Use it in a sentence:
“How can you remember all this stuff without being stumped by too many pointers out in the field?”
“Hey … you gotta have sprezzatura.”


  • Ronin
    on March 13, 2014 at 5:25 pm
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    @CH: Top post! Love this.

    2nded on: Sprezzatura

    Also:
    Concepts:
    It’s all about Frame/Context (ie: RSDTyler or YaReally could say/do shit avg. guy couldn’t b/c of it)
    Frame-Control (to go with Re-Frame)

    Lines:
    I don’t want to get you pregnant.


    • blaux
      on March 13, 2014 at 6:54 pm
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      tyler is a homosexual by my approximation. how any woman could find him masculine with that lisp and his waif shenanigans is a mindfuck


      • thrust
        on March 14, 2014 at 12:07 am
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        +1


        • YaReally
          on March 14, 2014 at 10:19 am
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          @blaux @thrust

          Makeouts start around 1:50:

          I’m sure Tyler is waiting to see your vids of you guys doing this better. lol

          Don’t worry, he was kind enough to make a free video for you so you can learn to feel more secure with yourselves and grow:



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Arbiter
on March 13, 2014 at 4:25 pm
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Often when reading here I find myself thinking of Anakin, after having helped dispatch of Jackson’s character, bowing down to the Dark Side emperor with the line “I pledge myself to your teachings.”
With the emperor answering, “Good, good….”

Before that the emperor had thrown thrown his foe out the window with the words “Power! Unlimited power!” Power is a wonderful thing to have, don’t let any woman tell you otherwise. Power in game is awesome.

I submit a concept: sprezzatura. The art that is so smooth, it doesn’t look like art. Or here, the game that is so smooth it doesn’t look like game.

Use it in a sentence:
“How can you remember all this stuff without being stumped by too many pointers out in the field?”
“Hey … you gotta have sprezzatura.”


  • Ronin
    on March 13, 2014 at 5:25 pm
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    @CH: Top post! Love this.

    2nded on: Sprezzatura

    Also:
    Concepts:
    It’s all about Frame/Context (ie: RSDTyler or YaReally could say/do shit avg. guy couldn’t b/c of it)
    Frame-Control (to go with Re-Frame)

    Lines:
    I don’t want to get you pregnant.


    • YaReally
      on March 14, 2014 at 10:19 am
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      @blaux @thrust

      Makeouts start around 1:50:

      I’m sure Tyler is waiting to see your vids of you guys doing this better. lol

      Don’t worry, he was kind enough to make a free video for you so you can learn to feel more secure with yourselves and grow:



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Scray
on March 13, 2014 at 5:09 pm
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Ya. You can test the limits of your current game by observing what you do around a certain type of girl. When you default to using the routines you learned in the beginning, that’s the current maximum reach. So, if that happens to you with 6′s, then that’s your current limit. I just kno that with the 8′s I fall back on the classic material I used to have. It works, it’s fine…but I’m aware of the fact that ‘ya, for now, this seems to be the outer reach.’


  • Arbiter
    on March 14, 2014 at 12:25 pm
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    @ BuenaVista: An informed comment with examples from the real world! I am chocked, is this still the internet?

    @ Scray: About 6s, etc. I think there is a lot of inflation in this grading system. 6s being your outer limit, well, that’s no problem. 6 is attractive. I’d say the majority of women are either 5 (plain) or 6 (attractive at an ordinary level). I will admit it: most attractive women I have slept with have been sixes. I strongly doubt many here can say otherwise. And yet, we usually see guys saying “I pulled a 7 last weekend….” Every 6 turns to a 7 come the field report.


    • Scray
      on March 14, 2014 at 12:37 pm
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      I never inflate my rankings — I try to be as accurate as possible, which sometimes can end up with me going back and forth — like between 5 and 6…or 6 and 7…which is why the decimal places are good for me. That’s why I express jubilation at hooking up with a 7 and nerdy disbelief at catching the interest of an 8 (and also disclose lying to an 8 to get her to do stuff with me lol). I agree with you that 6 is attractive.

      I’d say the majority of women are actually 4′s, because the majority of women are fat. So, even having average beauty, still makes a woman in this day and age, above average with re: to incidence of attractiveness.


      • YaReally
        on March 14, 2014 at 5:26 pm
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        Most good looking normal dudes (and guys with game) who just passively wait for girls to approach them VS cold approaching get 6s and at best 7s with a suuuuuuper rare 8 thrown in. Usually they end up with 6s who are just hot enough to not be completely embarrassed tapping but also plain enough to know that they have to do the work and approach the cool guy standing with his drink up at his chest. And if that 8 you had your eye on hasn’t noticed you or approached you or ordered a drink beside you by last call and that 6 is still there running her hands down your chest, you’ll go fuck the 6 and think about the 8 as you do it lol human nature, it plays out every night in bars everywhere.

        It’s not at all impossible for a guy with game who’s cold approaching to get hotter. If you wait for a signal from them or for them to open you you have to hope one of the 10 hottest girls in the bar is into you from afar and gives you an opportunity. I can approach all 10 of those girls, and even if I get blown out by all of them I can then go to the next bar to approach the 10 hottest girls there…why would I bother with anything below a 7 when I have that skillset down? The only reason to mingle with the <7s at that stage is to get warmed up and self-amuse and get in a fun mood so that when the 9 walks by it's no big deal to grab her and pull her in.

        Now if a guy said he was pulling 7+ girls consistently every night off his first approach, I'd be skeptical. But if I'm willing to blow through 30 8s and 9s my field report is probably going to say I banged a 9. I'm at a point now where I'd rather go home solo than with anything under a 7 lol I'm old I don't want to waste what little time I have left in this life banging average chicks. But other guys have higher sex drives and don't care. I also like working on the skillset, like being out and gaming is fun to me, whereas some guys see it as work or a chore or a "necessary evil" to get laid, so even a night where I just approach hot girls but go home solo I don't care, it was fun and I pushed myself and did more than 99% of the guys in the bar.

        Passive game limits your results severely because you can only choose from the women who choose you. This is why we encourage guys to cold approach and go for what we want.


        • Arbiter
          on March 15, 2014 at 12:33 am
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          YaReally, there’s that grading inflation I was talking about. Or simply, we have different grading systems. 6 for me is an attractive girl, period. No need to go through the effort to fantasize about someone else when you are sleeping with her. It is above 5, who is plain – neither attractive nor unattractive.

          7 is, let’s say the most attractive girls in your high school, that shows their rarity. (We painstakingly created these definitions in high school. It’s a place for learning, after all.)
          8 is professional-level beauty.
          9 is perfect.
          10 is perfect with a certain charisma shining through. 10 is what makes you stop and just look. It is inspiring.

          And the lower half of the list, just for comparison:

          5 is plain – you will not complain when your buddy marries a 5. This is not an ugly woman, just not someone you would fantasize about.
          4 is unattractive. You still will not wince when you are talking to her, though.
          3 is ugly, you can’t accept seeing a friend with this kind of girl, and he will be ashamed.
          2 is as ugly as can be without being deformed.
          1 is deformed, either by obesity or some other way.


          • YaReally
            on March 17, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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            “Or simply, we have different grading systems.”

            I go by: if you took that girl and put her in a Vegas nightclub, would anyone even notice her? No one is going to notice your high-school 7 or your co-worker 8 in a Vegas nightclub. So either you’d consider the majority of girls in a Vegas nightclub 9s and 10s, or your scale is a little generous lol

            I’d describe my 6 as your 5, my 5 as your 4, etc. but I’ve spent a lot of time around high-end venues where girls are hot. If I spent my life in a small-town where Vegas quality girls are rare, my scale would probably shift a bit because the really hot ones would be so rare that they wouldn’t really register to me.

            Either way it’s all silly personal definitions. My point is that you will never get your personal 9s and 10s by running passive game except by a miracle lightning strike fluke. You will never have a harem of your personal 8s and 9s by running passive game.

            And that’s okay for some guys. A lot of guys can be perfectly happy settling down with a nice 6 and telling themselves “well all those hotter girls are too much drama and trouble and they’re all crazy and stupid bimbo slut-whores” to make themselves feel better when their 6 stops putting out and they’re up at night googling porn starring girls who look hotter than the 6 they settled for.

            Some guys are happy on the ground, and some guys enjoy climbing mountains. To each their own. But the guy standing on the ground can’t say he’s living a 9/10 on the adventure scale lol



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Scray
on March 13, 2014 at 5:09 pm
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Ya. You can test the limits of your current game by observing what you do around a certain type of girl. When you default to using the routines you learned in the beginning, that’s the current maximum reach. So, if that happens to you with 6’s, then that’s your current limit. I just kno that with the 8’s I fall back on the classic material I used to have. It works, it’s fine…but I’m aware of the fact that ‘ya, for now, this seems to be the outer reach.’


  • Arbiter
    on March 14, 2014 at 12:25 pm
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    @ BuenaVista: An informed comment with examples from the real world! I am chocked, is this still the internet?

    @ Scray: About 6s, etc. I think there is a lot of inflation in this grading system. 6s being your outer limit, well, that’s no problem. 6 is attractive. I’d say the majority of women are either 5 (plain) or 6 (attractive at an ordinary level). I will admit it: most attractive women I have slept with have been sixes. I strongly doubt many here can say otherwise. And yet, we usually see guys saying “I pulled a 7 last weekend….” Every 6 turns to a 7 come the field report.


    • YaReally
      on March 14, 2014 at 5:26 pm
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      Most good looking normal dudes (and guys with game) who just passively wait for girls to approach them VS cold approaching get 6s and at best 7s with a suuuuuuper rare 8 thrown in. Usually they end up with 6s who are just hot enough to not be completely embarrassed tapping but also plain enough to know that they have to do the work and approach the cool guy standing with his drink up at his chest. And if that 8 you had your eye on hasn’t noticed you or approached you or ordered a drink beside you by last call and that 6 is still there running her hands down your chest, you’ll go fuck the 6 and think about the 8 as you do it lol human nature, it plays out every night in bars everywhere.

      It’s not at all impossible for a guy with game who’s cold approaching to get hotter. If you wait for a signal from them or for them to open you you have to hope one of the 10 hottest girls in the bar is into you from afar and gives you an opportunity. I can approach all 10 of those girls, and even if I get blown out by all of them I can then go to the next bar to approach the 10 hottest girls there…why would I bother with anything below a 7 when I have that skillset down? The only reason to mingle with the <7s at that stage is to get warmed up and self-amuse and get in a fun mood so that when the 9 walks by it's no big deal to grab her and pull her in.

      Now if a guy said he was pulling 7+ girls consistently every night off his first approach, I'd be skeptical. But if I'm willing to blow through 30 8s and 9s my field report is probably going to say I banged a 9. I'm at a point now where I'd rather go home solo than with anything under a 7 lol I'm old I don't want to waste what little time I have left in this life banging average chicks. But other guys have higher sex drives and don't care. I also like working on the skillset, like being out and gaming is fun to me, whereas some guys see it as work or a chore or a "necessary evil" to get laid, so even a night where I just approach hot girls but go home solo I don't care, it was fun and I pushed myself and did more than 99% of the guys in the bar.

      Passive game limits your results severely because you can only choose from the women who choose you. This is why we encourage guys to cold approach and go for what we want.


    • YaReally
      on March 17, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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      “Or simply, we have different grading systems.”

      I go by: if you took that girl and put her in a Vegas nightclub, would anyone even notice her? No one is going to notice your high-school 7 or your co-worker 8 in a Vegas nightclub. So either you’d consider the majority of girls in a Vegas nightclub 9s and 10s, or your scale is a little generous lol

      I’d describe my 6 as your 5, my 5 as your 4, etc. but I’ve spent a lot of time around high-end venues where girls are hot. If I spent my life in a small-town where Vegas quality girls are rare, my scale would probably shift a bit because the really hot ones would be so rare that they wouldn’t really register to me.

      Either way it’s all silly personal definitions. My point is that you will never get your personal 9s and 10s by running passive game except by a miracle lightning strike fluke. You will never have a harem of your personal 8s and 9s by running passive game.

      And that’s okay for some guys. A lot of guys can be perfectly happy settling down with a nice 6 and telling themselves “well all those hotter girls are too much drama and trouble and they’re all crazy and stupid bimbo slut-whores” to make themselves feel better when their 6 stops putting out and they’re up at night googling porn starring girls who look hotter than the 6 they settled for.

      Some guys are happy on the ground, and some guys enjoy climbing mountains. To each their own. But the guy standing on the ground can’t say he’s living a 9/10 on the adventure scale lol



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darkhorseforever
on March 6, 2014 at 3:22 pm
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There’s no reproductive hope for the vast majority of the guys guffawing on this site’s chat board. The OP knows it:

I gotta laugh at some of these HBD hermits. To them, the world of dateable lovelies is either toothless COPS extras or 140 IQ Harvard students. I thought they were supposed to be numerate? Fellas, step outside. There are a lot of pretty girls with normal lives who aren’t welfare queens or PhD overachievers.


  • no
    on March 6, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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    good game would take a new guy 5-10 years to learn well….


    • darkhorseforever
      on March 6, 2014 at 4:06 pm
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      Cool, so while you’re waiting for your skills to evolve and improve, go out and approach 1000 women. if you are normal, socially competent, have clear intentions, you’ll lay 30 of them. That’s approaching 3 women a day.

      If you are weird anachronistic, judgmental reactionary like most of the beer-bellied introverts documenting their inner rage on these chat boards, you will probably at least lay one or two. Which is better than most of these nominal virgins.


      • Arbiter
        on March 6, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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        “weird anachronistic, judgmental reactionary”

        Awwwww. Poor baby.

        Approach 1,000 women? I didn’t have to approach anywhere near that to reach thirty lays. I did, of course, not approach “3 women a day” just for the sake of racking up numbers, a really idiotic suggestion. Instead I approach those who are more likely to bite the hook.

        Approach a thousand women by approaching three a day? Ridiculous. That would take almost a year of approaching every day, which no one would do. Anyone who has ACTUALLY done some hardcore approaching knows you can’t keep it up on a daily basis forever.

        Your amateurish suggestion, conjured in the futile hope of sounding game-superior, exposes you for the blowhard amateur that you are.


        • YaReally
          on March 6, 2014 at 9:10 pm
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          “Approach a thousand women by approaching three a day? Ridiculous. That would take almost a year of approaching every day, which no one would do.”

          If you want it, you’ll do what it takes even if others try to tell you it’s ridiculous.

          My main prob with pickup going mainstream is that guys these days think they should get results in a few weeks because the marketing is pitched as a quick fix.

          Back in the old days we all understood that depending on how fucked up socially inexperienced you were, this was a journey that was going to take 2-5 years. Not 2-5 years of going out once a week getting wasted with your buddies. 2-5 years of pounding the fucking pavement, solo and sober if you had to.

          In my first couple years I had nights out where I was burning down clubs approaching basically everything in them. I was opening 20-40 sets a night, bar-hopping to the next bar/club when I ran out of sets at the first one.

          Was that as directly productive for getting laid as approaching the ample low-hanging fruit of 5s and 6s who shoot warm Approach Invites? No. But it was always about more than just getting laid. It was about learning how to socialize and conquer a shitload of fears and internal bad wiring and I was enjoying the newfound skillset we were all discovering.

          Now I don’t approach nearly as much because my game and social skills are tight so most girls like me by default and I can focus more on pushing my own comfort zones. A PUA buddy and I are actually in the middle of doing a massive set of tweaks to our game styles (we both have different styles), tightening screws and discarding unnecessary shit and bouncing ideas off eachother. There’s absolutely no reason for us to do this because our game is just fine as-is, esp when we know this’ll mean a bit of a pain period where we lose a bunch of sets as we adjust to new techniques and learn to calibrate them, but we’re oldschool hobbyists who like to mix things up for our own enjoyment/evolution. That’s why I’m not posting as much right now, we’re busy hitting the pavement hard for the next few months.

          If a guy wants to handle this part of his life, it is COMPLETELY within his grasp to do so. He just has to step up and own it and put in the hours and realize that no one is going to fix his life for him. If he wants it, the process is laid out for him and there is plenty of community support and resources to study.

          And if you want to consistently pull 9s off cold approaching in bars/clubs where their value is artificially blown thru the roof and they’re surrounded by obstacles, you need to always be pushing your skillset and growing.

          The reality is that to actually just stick your dick in something you don’t need much game. Most guys can bang out a few decent 5s and 6s and settle with the first 7 they land with like under a year of training.

          All the swirly twirly stuff past that about handling AMOGs and group theory and building deep comfort and all that shit is just for the hobbyists who want to push things and see what they can do and how far they can fuck with society’s rules.



Don’t Marry An Overeducated Woman

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on March 6, 2014 at 3:22 pm
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There’s no reproductive hope for the vast majority of the guys guffawing on this site’s chat board. The OP knows it:

I gotta laugh at some of these HBD hermits. To them, the world of dateable lovelies is either toothless COPS extras or 140 IQ Harvard students. I thought they were supposed to be numerate? Fellas, step outside. There are a lot of pretty girls with normal lives who aren’t welfare queens or PhD overachievers.


  • no
    on March 6, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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    good game would take a new guy 5-10 years to learn well….


    • YaReally
      on March 6, 2014 at 9:10 pm
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      “Approach a thousand women by approaching three a day? Ridiculous. That would take almost a year of approaching every day, which no one would do.”

      If you want it, you’ll do what it takes even if others try to tell you it’s ridiculous.

      My main prob with pickup going mainstream is that guys these days think they should get results in a few weeks because the marketing is pitched as a quick fix.

      Back in the old days we all understood that depending on how fucked up socially inexperienced you were, this was a journey that was going to take 2-5 years. Not 2-5 years of going out once a week getting wasted with your buddies. 2-5 years of pounding the fucking pavement, solo and sober if you had to.

      In my first couple years I had nights out where I was burning down clubs approaching basically everything in them. I was opening 20-40 sets a night, bar-hopping to the next bar/club when I ran out of sets at the first one.

      Was that as directly productive for getting laid as approaching the ample low-hanging fruit of 5s and 6s who shoot warm Approach Invites? No. But it was always about more than just getting laid. It was about learning how to socialize and conquer a shitload of fears and internal bad wiring and I was enjoying the newfound skillset we were all discovering.

      Now I don’t approach nearly as much because my game and social skills are tight so most girls like me by default and I can focus more on pushing my own comfort zones. A PUA buddy and I are actually in the middle of doing a massive set of tweaks to our game styles (we both have different styles), tightening screws and discarding unnecessary shit and bouncing ideas off eachother. There’s absolutely no reason for us to do this because our game is just fine as-is, esp when we know this’ll mean a bit of a pain period where we lose a bunch of sets as we adjust to new techniques and learn to calibrate them, but we’re oldschool hobbyists who like to mix things up for our own enjoyment/evolution. That’s why I’m not posting as much right now, we’re busy hitting the pavement hard for the next few months.

      If a guy wants to handle this part of his life, it is COMPLETELY within his grasp to do so. He just has to step up and own it and put in the hours and realize that no one is going to fix his life for him. If he wants it, the process is laid out for him and there is plenty of community support and resources to study.

      And if you want to consistently pull 9s off cold approaching in bars/clubs where their value is artificially blown thru the roof and they’re surrounded by obstacles, you need to always be pushing your skillset and growing.

      The reality is that to actually just stick your dick in something you don’t need much game. Most guys can bang out a few decent 5s and 6s and settle with the first 7 they land with like under a year of training.

      All the swirly twirly stuff past that about handling AMOGs and group theory and building deep comfort and all that shit is just for the hobbyists who want to push things and see what they can do and how far they can fuck with society’s rules.



Ladies Like Him — In A Way

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Scray
on March 5, 2014 at 12:24 pm
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‘Because, dear beta, you must impress upon people you are those virtuous things by choice, and not by necessity.’

Ah, finally.

Really just do whatever the fuck you want whenever you want, tho. Unrestrict yourself, and the rest will follow.


  • theasdgamer
    on March 5, 2014 at 12:28 pm
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    Nah, you have to understand when you are breaking rapport and when you need to reestablish it. It’s not just do whatever you want. Don’t be afraid to break rapport is the takeaway.


    • Scray
      on March 5, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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      You already understand this shit. It’s in your DNA. You are a biological machine designed to survive. Your instincts have been forged over eons. Do you honestly believe that ‘breaking rapport’ was a nothing concept until someone explicated it in a book? C’mon. Someone observed it, then wrote it down.

      Just try it. Start doing whatever you want and expressing yourself. Stop trying to control shit. Your days will feel much more full.


      • Arbiter
        on March 5, 2014 at 2:22 pm
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        Well, you can compare it to fighting. Instinctively you know how to fight. But to be truly good at it, especially when you compete with others who also have the same instinct, instructions can help. Some are greatly talented and don’t need instructions at all, but I think most would benefit. And this is especially true if you have lived a long life of never doing much fighting, and when those around you have always frowned upon fighting.


        • Scray
          on March 5, 2014 at 3:45 pm
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          Ya. The best way to learn how to fight is to fight continuously — better fighters than you. You can train and shit, but ultimately it really doesn’t matter until you step inside the ring: everybody’s got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

          By just putting yourself in the ring and doing whatever you can/want…you’ll learn over time what works for you and what you need to work on.


          • YaReally
            on March 6, 2014 at 7:33 am
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            @Arbiter

            Ya, I agree. I’ve spent a lot of time around Naturals who are just winging it and that is awesome to a point, it’ll get you farther than like 90% of normal guys get. But even tho they’re my buddies, a trained PUA would easily take girls off them no problem and leave them wondering wtf just happened.

            Same way the guy who’s done great in a bunch of bar brawls will take a fast flowing solid combo from a trained boxer and wake up on the floor wondering wtf just happened and why he couldn’t land a punch on the guy.

            Like one on one with the girl, no interference or obstacles or distractions or anything, ya just expressing yourself and doing what you want is great and is enough to get you laid and for a lot of guys that’s all they want/need. But there are levels beyond that that require training.



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Scray
on March 5, 2014 at 12:24 pm
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‘Because, dear beta, you must impress upon people you are those virtuous things by choice, and not by necessity.’

Ah, finally.

Really just do whatever the fuck you want whenever you want, tho. Unrestrict yourself, and the rest will follow.


  • theasdgamer
    on March 5, 2014 at 12:28 pm
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    Nah, you have to understand when you are breaking rapport and when you need to reestablish it. It’s not just do whatever you want. Don’t be afraid to break rapport is the takeaway.


    • YaReally
      on March 6, 2014 at 7:33 am
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      @Arbiter

      Ya, I agree. I’ve spent a lot of time around Naturals who are just winging it and that is awesome to a point, it’ll get you farther than like 90% of normal guys get. But even tho they’re my buddies, a trained PUA would easily take girls off them no problem and leave them wondering wtf just happened.

      Same way the guy who’s done great in a bunch of bar brawls will take a fast flowing solid combo from a trained boxer and wake up on the floor wondering wtf just happened and why he couldn’t land a punch on the guy.

      Like one on one with the girl, no interference or obstacles or distractions or anything, ya just expressing yourself and doing what you want is great and is enough to get you laid and for a lot of guys that’s all they want/need. But there are levels beyond that that require training.



Sexual Amorphism

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YaReally
on March 4, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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Anne Hathaway is actually Jason Biggs. Proof:

http://cdnvideo.dolimg.com/cdn_assets/d485bfea2880e2b73dc2b3d22e73c9fa58fd673e.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9uqi3ljtL1qc63km.jpg

Also Jared Leto’s hair is gay but dude has solid direct/sexual “brooding artist” game (making soi’s with no apology, strong eye contact, slow movements, slow seductive way of speaking, etc, I’ve adapted a few things from his game into my own style):



Sexual Amorphism

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YaReally
on March 4, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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Anne Hathaway is actually Jason Biggs. Proof:

Also Jared Leto’s hair is gay but dude has solid direct/sexual “brooding artist” game (making soi’s with no apology, strong eye contact, slow movements, slow seductive way of speaking, etc, I’ve adapted a few things from his game into my own style):