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YaReally
on February 26, 2014 at 9:55 am
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“2/10. Would not bang”



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RappaccinisDaughter
on February 26, 2014 at 11:00 am
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I’m going to call troll for one reason, and one only: This is an insane* tactic for any woman to take.

Most women are acutely aware that nude pictures have a way of getting out beyond the intended audience. Sending a nude is something that sane women generally reserve for someone we don’t think is going to sell us up the river by posting that shit to one of those revenge-pr0n sites or sending it around to all their friends or whatever.

Now, there’s plenty of room for error there—maybe the relationship goes sour later on or whatever—but to send a nude and then *immediately* follow it up with something *deliberately* designed to piss the recipient off? That’s just begging to have your T&A plastered all over the Net for potential employers to find 10 and 20 years down the road.

Now if the post had been, “She sent me a text out of the blue that said ‘LOL you’re hilarious, keep being you,’ and then followed it immediately with ‘Sorry wrong #’…THAT I’d believe.

*Yes, yes, I know: Some women are indeed that crazy. If an actual woman ever does this to you, please make sure that any bunny rabbits that you may own as pets are carefully secured.


  • Amy
    on February 26, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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    “Now if the post had been, “She sent me a text out of the blue that said ‘LOL you’re hilarious, keep being you,’ and then followed it immediately with ‘Sorry wrong #’…THAT I’d believe.”

    Yes, that’s the type of thing I’ve done in my petty moments. You have to keep it ambiguous. I can’t understand why a girl would want to do something so nuclear, that basically screams out, I’m cheating on you! How does that not backfire?


    • YaReally
      on February 26, 2014 at 4:58 pm
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      Agree 100% with both of you. No girl would execute the tactic described in the OP, definite troll. And I’ve had the “txt meant for someone else oops” tactic used on me before…and have actually used it myself, tho my version was a bit more nuclear.



How To Outgame Manipulative Women

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Wrecked 'Em
on February 26, 2014 at 12:04 pm
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On Text Game… question about some subtleties with iMessenger, which says “delivered” and also “read” to the sender.

If a girl’s responses have gotten shorter and you want to move the ball back into the 3/2 territory by being less available, do you:

a) Ignore the messages so she never gets a “read” back on her end?
b) Read the messages so it says “read” but don’t respond?

Unclear that I want to move to option (c), where I think there’s an option in settings to never send a “read” receipt back to the sender. Unless somebody can make a good case for that.


  • YaReally
    on February 26, 2014 at 5:05 pm
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    Turn off iMessage. The time/energy micromanaging that it forces you to do (like you’re describing) isn’t worth the very minor drama benefit you’ll get out of it in return (I experimented with it a bunch when I had BBM). And if you give a shit about seeing whether she’s read your message yet or not, you’re too invested in the outcome and should be out meeting 3 other girls to txt at the same time so that you don’t care when/if they respond. Gives you time to think, too…which can be beneficial because quality of txts is more important than quantity. Girls and beta guys go for quantity, you should be aiming for quality (every txt has a purpose, intent, pushes things towards a meet up, etc…you don’t have a 20 min txt convo about the cute thing her dog did today, you’re a man with shit to do).

    I tell girls my iMessage is broken.



How To Outgame Manipulative Women

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YaReally
on February 26, 2014 at 9:55 am
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“2/10. Would not bang”



How To Outgame Manipulative Women

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RappaccinisDaughter
on February 26, 2014 at 11:00 am
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I’m going to call troll for one reason, and one only: This is an insane* tactic for any woman to take.

Most women are acutely aware that nude pictures have a way of getting out beyond the intended audience. Sending a nude is something that sane women generally reserve for someone we don’t think is going to sell us up the river by posting that shit to one of those revenge-pr0n sites or sending it around to all their friends or whatever.

Now, there’s plenty of room for error there—maybe the relationship goes sour later on or whatever—but to send a nude and then *immediately* follow it up with something *deliberately* designed to piss the recipient off? That’s just begging to have your T&A plastered all over the Net for potential employers to find 10 and 20 years down the road.

Now if the post had been, “She sent me a text out of the blue that said ‘LOL you’re hilarious, keep being you,’ and then followed it immediately with ‘Sorry wrong #’…THAT I’d believe.

*Yes, yes, I know: Some women are indeed that crazy. If an actual woman ever does this to you, please make sure that any bunny rabbits that you may own as pets are carefully secured.


  • Amy
    on February 26, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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    “Now if the post had been, “She sent me a text out of the blue that said ‘LOL you’re hilarious, keep being you,’ and then followed it immediately with ‘Sorry wrong #’…THAT I’d believe.”

    Yes, that’s the type of thing I’ve done in my petty moments. You have to keep it ambiguous. I can’t understand why a girl would want to do something so nuclear, that basically screams out, I’m cheating on you! How does that not backfire?


    • YaReally
      on February 26, 2014 at 4:58 pm
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      Agree 100% with both of you. No girl would execute the tactic described in the OP, definite troll. And I’ve had the “txt meant for someone else oops” tactic used on me before…and have actually used it myself, tho my version was a bit more nuclear.



How To Outgame Manipulative Women

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Wrecked 'Em
on February 26, 2014 at 12:04 pm
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On Text Game… question about some subtleties with iMessenger, which says “delivered” and also “read” to the sender.

If a girl’s responses have gotten shorter and you want to move the ball back into the 3/2 territory by being less available, do you:

a) Ignore the messages so she never gets a “read” back on her end?
b) Read the messages so it says “read” but don’t respond?

Unclear that I want to move to option (c), where I think there’s an option in settings to never send a “read” receipt back to the sender. Unless somebody can make a good case for that.


  • YaReally
    on February 26, 2014 at 5:05 pm
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    Turn off iMessage. The time/energy micromanaging that it forces you to do (like you’re describing) isn’t worth the very minor drama benefit you’ll get out of it in return (I experimented with it a bunch when I had BBM). And if you give a shit about seeing whether she’s read your message yet or not, you’re too invested in the outcome and should be out meeting 3 other girls to txt at the same time so that you don’t care when/if they respond. Gives you time to think, too…which can be beneficial because quality of txts is more important than quantity. Girls and beta guys go for quantity, you should be aiming for quality (every txt has a purpose, intent, pushes things towards a meet up, etc…you don’t have a 20 min txt convo about the cute thing her dog did today, you’re a man with shit to do).

    I tell girls my iMessage is broken.



Parade Of Humiliations

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Gabe Hunt
on February 24, 2014 at 5:01 am
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@YaReally,

I’ve been following your writing, and have to say you’re one of the clearest, sanest, most practical voices in the manosphere. Being the clever bastard that you are, you previously [1] said the following.

> he will get one-itis from spending so much time with her, esp if they aren’t
> fucking right away. That’s just how humans work. The longer it takes to bang
> her the more attached he’ll get. He’ll stop going out and obsess over her
> and then convince himself she’s better than other girls …

I feel that with these words you’ve captured something I experienced and would really like you to weigh in on my situation.

I’m a married business owner. About two years ago, I moved to a branch where I found out we employ a complete stunner – easily one of the most beautiful women I’d ever personally met. Cool as a cucumber, sharp as a knife (an engineer by education), and … married and trying for a baby. I.e., someone who to my mind should have been as inaccessible as a gilded unicorn. And I became her boss’s boss.

Fast forward a year, and I’m hooked. I can’t get this girl out of my mind. My mornings became a mixture of rapture of seeing her again and dread of experiencing the impossibility of ever having her.

This impossible state went on for a few months which is when I went on /r/relationships to seek advice on what to do. The unanimous answer was to cut off any unnecessary contact. OK, doing that for a few days had her looking at me strangely, not understanding how we went from very friendly and warm office colleagues to complete strangers. I felt I owed her an explanation, so took her aside one day and exposed that I needed to take a step back from our association as I was developing inappropriate feelings for her. In doing this, I was sure she saw me as some older mentor at best (we have a nearly 20-year age difference), and would say ‘OK, I get it, best not to having a creeper boss hovering around’.

Instead, what happened was HYPERGAMY UNLEASHED. It was as if the potential of loss opened up a floodgate within her. I have never experienced an outpouring of emotion and passion from a woman as I did from her over the next few weeks. Hours of conversations, spilling of emotions, talks about what she’d do to me, and more. Not having my way with her on my desk required super-human restraint.

I enjoyed that shit. I had never felt so desired. Her sudden submissiveness lit something up within me that I’d never experienced – I was like a hungry wolf. I was flush with testosterone for months (which my wife got to enjoy). Here was one of the most beautiful, desirable, inaccessible women I had ever met expressing unbridled, urgent, flaming desire for me. I could probably have done anything with her, but didn’t want to be a cheating husband.

I looked everywhere for information on understanding myself, her behavior, what was going on, and how to handle the situation. This got me into MMSL, /r/seduction, and the manosphere. Everything pointed to my being a classic, inexperienced beta (on top of all, having spent my 20’s in a single long relationship, which stunted my maturation) for the first time getting attention from a girl outside my league, and her displaying classic hypergamy – my massive situational alpha of being her boss’s boss and giving her some attention had triggered this tsunami. It was awe-inspiring to behold. Whenever I now read forums where people – men or women – express doubts about hypergamy I just chuckle to myself.

I fell completely in love with the girl, as did she with me. We had a couple of makeouts over the next few months, each of which left her feeling confused and guilty. Once she got pregnant by her husband, she called off our emotional affair, out of fear of being found out and finding herself empty-handed. This eventually sent me spiraling into a year-long depression, losing weight and finding it nearly impossible to function. When her pregnancy advanced, she also suffered from anxiety and guilt attacks, and had to go on medication. Her departure on maternity leave – saving me having to see her every day when we’re not on speaking terms – was somewhat of a relief for me, but not a cure.

I’ve since moved away from that branch but met up with her once at a conference after a year apart. She claimed to still have daily thoughts about me, but wouldn’t kiss me. We spent a couple of hours in my hotel room reminiscing and tying up loose ends, while she was clearly conflicted – both being clearly viscerally attracted to me but also not wanting to act on it and possibly relapse into guilt.

I’m gradually swallowing the red pill, reviewing my marriage situation, and learning to see the world of relationships from a completely different angle. But I feel like I’ve had a one-time peek over a fence into a world of amazing possibilities which, given my family situation, is closed off to me.

And the question that keeps coming back to me is: will I ever have another chance with this girl?

[1] http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/comment-of-the-week-16-commandments-of-pajamaboy/#comment-525726


  • YaReally
    on February 24, 2014 at 12:00 pm
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    @Gabe

    You have one-itis, obviously. If you guys spent enough time together, you would come to see her negative qualities, but because you don’t see eachother anymore she’ll remain perfect to you forever. For all you know she isn’t even compatible with you in bed, but you’ll imagine that she would be perfect because you don’t have other options going on.

    The reality is that you’re not well-equipped to navigate this situation and the stakes are 1) your own marriage, which if you’re caught could result in your wife divorcing you and raping you in the divorce courts (plus family courts if you have kids), and 2) her marriage, plus her family/kids, which you could essentially break up, leaving her kids without a dad to raise them if you get caught and he takes off…at best you’d be dooming them to being raised in a broken home full of trust issues and such.

    The reason you’re not well-equipped enough to do this without a high risk of doing serious damage is because you’re still new to this and you don’t have experience yet, plus on top of that you’re being guided by the one-itis that has romanticized your situation in your head. Someone like myself can pull this off pretty safely because I know not to get attached or let her get attached and to put the stability of her relationship above my own wants/desires, but you’re basically on cloud 9 over her and will instinctively make selfish decisions that are in your best interest instead of hers.

    It’s entirely possible to sleep with her. She’s still attracted. She just has basic ASD/LMR issues that can be disarmed.

    But the more important than how to do it, the question is: What exactly do you WANT from this? Specifically what is the end goal in your mind? Because right now you’re running on emotional attachment and one-itis where the end goal is “well, I don’t know…I just can’t stop thinking about her, you know? I want to BE with her…” But seriously consider: what EXACTLY do you want? Do you want her to leave her husband to be your mistress? Do you want to leave your wife to have an affair with her guilt-free on your end? Do you want both of you to leave your spouses to be together in a full relationship long-term? Do you just want a one-night-stand in some conference hotel to get it out of your system and then you never see eachother again? Do you want to just have an on-going “bang once a year at the conference” affair?

    And how do the kids fit into all this? Hers and yours if you have them. If you want a long-term relationship with her where you both leave your spouses for eachother, are you willing to raise her kids?

    What exactly do you want from this? What’s the end-game you’re looking for?


  • Greg Eliot
    on February 24, 2014 at 12:30 pm
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    Yet another asshole shill trying to get the chateau off of antiCathedral politics and back to the diversion of poosy über alles.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if it were YaReallyJustReally himself.

    You fairy.

    (((shakin’ mah haid)))


    • ( @ Y @ )
      on February 24, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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      Was thinking the exact same thing myself. It’s as if it’s right on que once again.


      • YaReally
        on February 24, 2014 at 4:38 pm
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        Believe me I have better things to do with my time than write to myself. This sheep-fucking porn isn’t going to watch itself. I can’t believe they fit King A’s mom into the frame, that is a serious zoom-out lens.



Parade Of Humiliations

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Gabe Hunt
on February 24, 2014 at 5:01 am
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@YaReally,

I’ve been following your writing, and have to say you’re one of the clearest, sanest, most practical voices in the manosphere. Being the clever bastard that you are, you previously [1] said the following.

> he will get one-itis from spending so much time with her, esp if they aren’t
> fucking right away. That’s just how humans work. The longer it takes to bang
> her the more attached he’ll get. He’ll stop going out and obsess over her
> and then convince himself she’s better than other girls …

I feel that with these words you’ve captured something I experienced and would really like you to weigh in on my situation.

I’m a married business owner. About two years ago, I moved to a branch where I found out we employ a complete stunner – easily one of the most beautiful women I’d ever personally met. Cool as a cucumber, sharp as a knife (an engineer by education), and … married and trying for a baby. I.e., someone who to my mind should have been as inaccessible as a gilded unicorn. And I became her boss’s boss.

Fast forward a year, and I’m hooked. I can’t get this girl out of my mind. My mornings became a mixture of rapture of seeing her again and dread of experiencing the impossibility of ever having her.

This impossible state went on for a few months which is when I went on /r/relationships to seek advice on what to do. The unanimous answer was to cut off any unnecessary contact. OK, doing that for a few days had her looking at me strangely, not understanding how we went from very friendly and warm office colleagues to complete strangers. I felt I owed her an explanation, so took her aside one day and exposed that I needed to take a step back from our association as I was developing inappropriate feelings for her. In doing this, I was sure she saw me as some older mentor at best (we have a nearly 20-year age difference), and would say ‘OK, I get it, best not to having a creeper boss hovering around’.

Instead, what happened was HYPERGAMY UNLEASHED. It was as if the potential of loss opened up a floodgate within her. I have never experienced an outpouring of emotion and passion from a woman as I did from her over the next few weeks. Hours of conversations, spilling of emotions, talks about what she’d do to me, and more. Not having my way with her on my desk required super-human restraint.

I enjoyed that shit. I had never felt so desired. Her sudden submissiveness lit something up within me that I’d never experienced – I was like a hungry wolf. I was flush with testosterone for months (which my wife got to enjoy). Here was one of the most beautiful, desirable, inaccessible women I had ever met expressing unbridled, urgent, flaming desire for me. I could probably have done anything with her, but didn’t want to be a cheating husband.

I looked everywhere for information on understanding myself, her behavior, what was going on, and how to handle the situation. This got me into MMSL, /r/seduction, and the manosphere. Everything pointed to my being a classic, inexperienced beta (on top of all, having spent my 20’s in a single long relationship, which stunted my maturation) for the first time getting attention from a girl outside my league, and her displaying classic hypergamy – my massive situational alpha of being her boss’s boss and giving her some attention had triggered this tsunami. It was awe-inspiring to behold. Whenever I now read forums where people – men or women – express doubts about hypergamy I just chuckle to myself.

I fell completely in love with the girl, as did she with me. We had a couple of makeouts over the next few months, each of which left her feeling confused and guilty. Once she got pregnant by her husband, she called off our emotional affair, out of fear of being found out and finding herself empty-handed. This eventually sent me spiraling into a year-long depression, losing weight and finding it nearly impossible to function. When her pregnancy advanced, she also suffered from anxiety and guilt attacks, and had to go on medication. Her departure on maternity leave – saving me having to see her every day when we’re not on speaking terms – was somewhat of a relief for me, but not a cure.

I’ve since moved away from that branch but met up with her once at a conference after a year apart. She claimed to still have daily thoughts about me, but wouldn’t kiss me. We spent a couple of hours in my hotel room reminiscing and tying up loose ends, while she was clearly conflicted – both being clearly viscerally attracted to me but also not wanting to act on it and possibly relapse into guilt.

I’m gradually swallowing the red pill, reviewing my marriage situation, and learning to see the world of relationships from a completely different angle. But I feel like I’ve had a one-time peek over a fence into a world of amazing possibilities which, given my family situation, is closed off to me.

And the question that keeps coming back to me is: will I ever have another chance with this girl?

[1] https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/comment-of-the-week-16-commandments-of-pajamaboy/#comment-525726


  • YaReally
    on February 24, 2014 at 12:00 pm
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    @Gabe

    You have one-itis, obviously. If you guys spent enough time together, you would come to see her negative qualities, but because you don’t see eachother anymore she’ll remain perfect to you forever. For all you know she isn’t even compatible with you in bed, but you’ll imagine that she would be perfect because you don’t have other options going on.

    The reality is that you’re not well-equipped to navigate this situation and the stakes are 1) your own marriage, which if you’re caught could result in your wife divorcing you and raping you in the divorce courts (plus family courts if you have kids), and 2) her marriage, plus her family/kids, which you could essentially break up, leaving her kids without a dad to raise them if you get caught and he takes off…at best you’d be dooming them to being raised in a broken home full of trust issues and such.

    The reason you’re not well-equipped enough to do this without a high risk of doing serious damage is because you’re still new to this and you don’t have experience yet, plus on top of that you’re being guided by the one-itis that has romanticized your situation in your head. Someone like myself can pull this off pretty safely because I know not to get attached or let her get attached and to put the stability of her relationship above my own wants/desires, but you’re basically on cloud 9 over her and will instinctively make selfish decisions that are in your best interest instead of hers.

    It’s entirely possible to sleep with her. She’s still attracted. She just has basic ASD/LMR issues that can be disarmed.

    But the more important than how to do it, the question is: What exactly do you WANT from this? Specifically what is the end goal in your mind? Because right now you’re running on emotional attachment and one-itis where the end goal is “well, I don’t know…I just can’t stop thinking about her, you know? I want to BE with her…” But seriously consider: what EXACTLY do you want? Do you want her to leave her husband to be your mistress? Do you want to leave your wife to have an affair with her guilt-free on your end? Do you want both of you to leave your spouses to be together in a full relationship long-term? Do you just want a one-night-stand in some conference hotel to get it out of your system and then you never see eachother again? Do you want to just have an on-going “bang once a year at the conference” affair?

    And how do the kids fit into all this? Hers and yours if you have them. If you want a long-term relationship with her where you both leave your spouses for eachother, are you willing to raise her kids?

    What exactly do you want from this? What’s the end-game you’re looking for?


  • Greg Eliot
    on February 24, 2014 at 12:30 pm
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    Yet another asshole shill trying to get the chateau off of antiCathedral politics and back to the diversion of poosy über alles.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if it were YaReallyJustReally himself.

    You fairy.

    (((shakin’ mah haid)))


    • YaReally
      on February 24, 2014 at 4:38 pm
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      Believe me I have better things to do with my time than write to myself. This sheep-fucking porn isn’t going to watch itself. I can’t believe they fit King A’s mom into the frame, that is a serious zoom-out lens.



Extreme Disqualification Game

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Lumpy
on February 19, 2014 at 3:51 pm
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@YaReally

FR for my tuesday night. Any quick comments?

- didn’t feel like going out, listen to jeffy
- redhead at pub5
- stage — initial trio of katy and hottie from syracuse
- casey blonde from chi
- jennifer street blonde
- “can we fuck” girl

I didn’t really feel like going out on a Tuesday night. A new friend, Cam, from out of town who talked a big game wanted to go out. He brought along another guy I didn’t know, Pete, but seemed pretty cool. Pete said he had a girlfriend and would thus be a good wingman. lol. Watched this jeffy video about dealing with resistance and went out anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgu0noyhWTA

Met up with the guys at a little bar just off the main strip. Totally dead and smelled like farts. They were sitting across the bar from the one attractive girl in the bar, a fake redhead doodling on her phone and talking to the bartender occasionally. Cam is talking about the girl, studiously avoiding eye contact. I walk around the bar and ask about her hair. She bites, I pull up a seat. Ask her what she does, she’s some sort of doctor—but when I ask what kind she demurs. I think i missed some context here. I bullshit about giving kids stickers and suckers after sticking a needle in them. The bartender comes over and starts talking—clearly a boyfriendy vibe but never explicitly says anything or tries to tool me. Just makes it impossible (in my head) to get sexual or kino. She says something subtle to blow me off and I leave.

We bounce down the street to one of the main “local” bars in a touristy district. Sausage fest of old men. There’s 3 girls, two are ok and 1 is hott. Roll up to one of the less cute ones and start bullshitting. Just find out their situation. One’s from town and the other two are visiting from rural new england. Very into country music. Eugh. When Cam comes in I introduce him to the girl I’m talking to and go switch to the hot girl. Talk, find out her situation. I find out she’s in town for another 4 days so I go for her number. She mis-enters it while I tell her a story about liquor. This part was unfortunate as it felt pretty choppy and a lot of broken eye contact. No real kino even 2-3 minutes into the interaction. I ask for her number again, and she fucks up in the phone interface again (note to self, get an iphone). Eventually hottie or the 3rd girl, don’t remember which, gives the girl signal for “I want to leave”. I tried to throw a little conversation to the 3rd girl, but it was hard to involve both. They peace.

Roll over and hit up another girl, a 30 y/o looking pretty blonde. Opening is pretty choppy and she is a little freaked. I take a really explicit step back and just keep talking, and she keeps interacting. Find out where her and girlfriend are from and start bullshitting. A bunch of middle aged guys come up from behind and open blonde and her girlfriend. She responds really badly and icily and is freaking out when she looks back at me. I make a joke about it being a shark tank in here and offer her an electric cattle prod to keep the guys away. She relaxes Try to introduce my buddy at this point to the other girl—that’s a bit choppy. He stops talking to her within 30 sec, and I’m pretty much only focusing on my blonde. She asks me if I’m on drugs or drunk (no). Verbal stuff is good and she’s comfortable with me being right up in her grill, but no real kino. I tell her to come with me to the bar to get another drink, and she doesn’t come with. I didn’t feel comfortable grabbing her hand to pull her with me. I also didn’t have a good handle on how to deal with the friend if my buddies weren’t occupying her.

Those were basically all the hot girls there. We left and walked down the street. Cam said he liked the look of a girl in a yellow shirt, 15 feet away, in a group of 3 early 30 something chicks. Walk over, “my friend really loves your look, but I want to see if you’re the right kind of girl for him” We talk for 20 seconds. Cam walks up with Pete, I introduce them. Switch to the other hot blonde in the group—she’s probably the hottest and was a 9 in her prime. No ring. Start bullshitting. Good start, push for her number and she says “I’m too old for you.” Honestly should of said something like “i bet you can keep up”—instead i looked her up and down “*shrug* you go to the gym”. Qualified her a little bit on her cooking skills. We start to riff on threesomes, and it was a good start to sexualizing things. We talked about threesomes in the abstract and retrospectively I should have made it personal: “have you ever had a threesome?” She says something about “nice meeting you”. I get pissed and tell her how I hate that. That I’m a creep and I want molest her so she tells me to fuck off. I pull her arm up around my shoulder and put my other hand around her waist. She pulls back. I do it again and she pulls back again. She says that I’m definitely not a creep. I tell her to come with us to the next bar we’re bouncing to. “No I can’t have work tomorrow.” “I have to be up early.” Push for number, “I can’t.” Blah blah.

There were a couple other sets that could have been awesome, but I bounced too quick when they just needed persistence.

—-

I’m getting to the point where I can hook sets pretty fucking well, and keep them going. Cam talked a huge game but couldn’t keep up conversations or even open them. Derp, and I’m the one with a bunch of approach anxiety!

I want to better at being able to pull girls over to my friends, but I usually can’t get enough investment to get them to move quickly. That or I’m focusing on one girl and I don’t have enough rapport with the group to make a move happen.

I’m having a lot of trouble getting numbers. It’s frustrating being enough of a threat that I don’t get a pity phone number, but they’re not invested enough to give me one with real enthusiasm either.

Longer sets and getting kino started faster are all things to focus on.


  • YaReally
    on February 19, 2014 at 5:31 pm
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    @Lumpy

    “I’m having a lot of trouble getting numbers. It’s frustrating being enough of a threat that I don’t get a pity phone number, but they’re not invested enough to give me one with real enthusiasm either.”

    lol this is a bitch of a limbo to get stuck in but we all did. It’s funny cause when you’re legit new girls will be nicer to you because they’re like “awwe look at the social retard trying, that’s so cute, sure you can have my number I’ll never answer little social retard boy! Awwwe!!” lol

    Now you’re at that point where like you say, you’re not low value but you’re not high enough value basically.

    Your style of game seems fairly low energy and chill…shoot the shit type stuff, right? My phone is glitching like a bitch so I can’t load another page right now but search my archives for keywords “Liam” and “gambler” and watch Gambler’s section where he’s demonstrating eye contact and cutting space etc on the girl (my post should have time stamps for it listed) and then watch the entire Liam video. This laser eye shit is fucking killer for the “shoot the shit” type guys. It adds a ton of sexual tension…better than kino etc.

    The other option (or something to work on as well) is directing your conversation better. It sounds like you’re mostly just riffing and then going for the close. Gotta build a deeper connection, find out her hopes and dreams and all that shit VS surface level convo about stuff. Like they might think you’re cool/social, but they aren’t enthralled by you and demanding you take their number etc. Julien from RSD talks in a lot of his videos about being polarizing and taking her on a “full range of emotions” etc. you might be able to pick some ideas that work with your style from his stuff.

    Like you may simply be “cool” but not “sexworthy”. Like their emotions are good around you, but it’s a plateaud good that turns into a flatlined white noise of ——- VS being more polarizing and causing a little drama and putting her on her heels qualifying herself etc or even hating you at points, to where she’s feeling “a full range of emotions” as Julien puts it so it looks more like __/\/\/—\/ instead of the flatline you know?

    Try transcribing your exact convos best as you can remmeber and I can point out “this is where I would have gone into something like bla bla” and “here I would ask such and such”



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Lumpy
on February 19, 2014 at 3:51 pm
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@YaReally

FR for my tuesday night. Any quick comments?

– didn’t feel like going out, listen to jeffy
– redhead at pub5
– stage — initial trio of katy and hottie from syracuse
– casey blonde from chi
– jennifer street blonde
– “can we fuck” girl

I didn’t really feel like going out on a Tuesday night. A new friend, Cam, from out of town who talked a big game wanted to go out. He brought along another guy I didn’t know, Pete, but seemed pretty cool. Pete said he had a girlfriend and would thus be a good wingman. lol. Watched this jeffy video about dealing with resistance and went out anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgu0noyhWTA

Met up with the guys at a little bar just off the main strip. Totally dead and smelled like farts. They were sitting across the bar from the one attractive girl in the bar, a fake redhead doodling on her phone and talking to the bartender occasionally. Cam is talking about the girl, studiously avoiding eye contact. I walk around the bar and ask about her hair. She bites, I pull up a seat. Ask her what she does, she’s some sort of doctor—but when I ask what kind she demurs. I think i missed some context here. I bullshit about giving kids stickers and suckers after sticking a needle in them. The bartender comes over and starts talking—clearly a boyfriendy vibe but never explicitly says anything or tries to tool me. Just makes it impossible (in my head) to get sexual or kino. She says something subtle to blow me off and I leave.

We bounce down the street to one of the main “local” bars in a touristy district. Sausage fest of old men. There’s 3 girls, two are ok and 1 is hott. Roll up to one of the less cute ones and start bullshitting. Just find out their situation. One’s from town and the other two are visiting from rural new england. Very into country music. Eugh. When Cam comes in I introduce him to the girl I’m talking to and go switch to the hot girl. Talk, find out her situation. I find out she’s in town for another 4 days so I go for her number. She mis-enters it while I tell her a story about liquor. This part was unfortunate as it felt pretty choppy and a lot of broken eye contact. No real kino even 2-3 minutes into the interaction. I ask for her number again, and she fucks up in the phone interface again (note to self, get an iphone). Eventually hottie or the 3rd girl, don’t remember which, gives the girl signal for “I want to leave”. I tried to throw a little conversation to the 3rd girl, but it was hard to involve both. They peace.

Roll over and hit up another girl, a 30 y/o looking pretty blonde. Opening is pretty choppy and she is a little freaked. I take a really explicit step back and just keep talking, and she keeps interacting. Find out where her and girlfriend are from and start bullshitting. A bunch of middle aged guys come up from behind and open blonde and her girlfriend. She responds really badly and icily and is freaking out when she looks back at me. I make a joke about it being a shark tank in here and offer her an electric cattle prod to keep the guys away. She relaxes Try to introduce my buddy at this point to the other girl—that’s a bit choppy. He stops talking to her within 30 sec, and I’m pretty much only focusing on my blonde. She asks me if I’m on drugs or drunk (no). Verbal stuff is good and she’s comfortable with me being right up in her grill, but no real kino. I tell her to come with me to the bar to get another drink, and she doesn’t come with. I didn’t feel comfortable grabbing her hand to pull her with me. I also didn’t have a good handle on how to deal with the friend if my buddies weren’t occupying her.

Those were basically all the hot girls there. We left and walked down the street. Cam said he liked the look of a girl in a yellow shirt, 15 feet away, in a group of 3 early 30 something chicks. Walk over, “my friend really loves your look, but I want to see if you’re the right kind of girl for him” We talk for 20 seconds. Cam walks up with Pete, I introduce them. Switch to the other hot blonde in the group—she’s probably the hottest and was a 9 in her prime. No ring. Start bullshitting. Good start, push for her number and she says “I’m too old for you.” Honestly should of said something like “i bet you can keep up”—instead i looked her up and down “*shrug* you go to the gym”. Qualified her a little bit on her cooking skills. We start to riff on threesomes, and it was a good start to sexualizing things. We talked about threesomes in the abstract and retrospectively I should have made it personal: “have you ever had a threesome?” She says something about “nice meeting you”. I get pissed and tell her how I hate that. That I’m a creep and I want molest her so she tells me to fuck off. I pull her arm up around my shoulder and put my other hand around her waist. She pulls back. I do it again and she pulls back again. She says that I’m definitely not a creep. I tell her to come with us to the next bar we’re bouncing to. “No I can’t have work tomorrow.” “I have to be up early.” Push for number, “I can’t.” Blah blah.

There were a couple other sets that could have been awesome, but I bounced too quick when they just needed persistence.

—-

I’m getting to the point where I can hook sets pretty fucking well, and keep them going. Cam talked a huge game but couldn’t keep up conversations or even open them. Derp, and I’m the one with a bunch of approach anxiety!

I want to better at being able to pull girls over to my friends, but I usually can’t get enough investment to get them to move quickly. That or I’m focusing on one girl and I don’t have enough rapport with the group to make a move happen.

I’m having a lot of trouble getting numbers. It’s frustrating being enough of a threat that I don’t get a pity phone number, but they’re not invested enough to give me one with real enthusiasm either.

Longer sets and getting kino started faster are all things to focus on.


  • YaReally
    on February 19, 2014 at 5:31 pm
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    @Lumpy

    “I’m having a lot of trouble getting numbers. It’s frustrating being enough of a threat that I don’t get a pity phone number, but they’re not invested enough to give me one with real enthusiasm either.”

    lol this is a bitch of a limbo to get stuck in but we all did. It’s funny cause when you’re legit new girls will be nicer to you because they’re like “awwe look at the social retard trying, that’s so cute, sure you can have my number I’ll never answer little social retard boy! Awwwe!!” lol

    Now you’re at that point where like you say, you’re not low value but you’re not high enough value basically.

    Your style of game seems fairly low energy and chill…shoot the shit type stuff, right? My phone is glitching like a bitch so I can’t load another page right now but search my archives for keywords “Liam” and “gambler” and watch Gambler’s section where he’s demonstrating eye contact and cutting space etc on the girl (my post should have time stamps for it listed) and then watch the entire Liam video. This laser eye shit is fucking killer for the “shoot the shit” type guys. It adds a ton of sexual tension…better than kino etc.

    The other option (or something to work on as well) is directing your conversation better. It sounds like you’re mostly just riffing and then going for the close. Gotta build a deeper connection, find out her hopes and dreams and all that shit VS surface level convo about stuff. Like they might think you’re cool/social, but they aren’t enthralled by you and demanding you take their number etc. Julien from RSD talks in a lot of his videos about being polarizing and taking her on a “full range of emotions” etc. you might be able to pick some ideas that work with your style from his stuff.

    Like you may simply be “cool” but not “sexworthy”. Like their emotions are good around you, but it’s a plateaud good that turns into a flatlined white noise of ——- VS being more polarizing and causing a little drama and putting her on her heels qualifying herself etc or even hating you at points, to where she’s feeling “a full range of emotions” as Julien puts it so it looks more like __/\/\/—\/ instead of the flatline you know?

    Try transcribing your exact convos best as you can remmeber and I can point out “this is where I would have gone into something like bla bla” and “here I would ask such and such”



Extreme Disqualification Game

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YaReally
on February 19, 2014 at 3:53 pm
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pfft…you want extreme disqualification game?: try keeping a framed photo of your girlfriend on your nightstand while you fuck the new girl lol

I actually learned a LOT from that period.

Personally I like her to know 100% that there’s no chance of me bein her boyfriend/provider. Most girls are actually cool with it as long as you act like it’s normal and you’re up front about your intent and boundaries. Like the Joker says “nobody panics when things go “according to plan”, even if the plan is horrifying.”

Straight from the horses mouth actually, a recent favorite fuckbuddy of mine was bitching about men the other day and she said “this other guy, I can’t tell what he wants. With you it was easy cause you told me right when we met that you’re not going to take me to dinner and you just want to fuck, so I know what “this” is. With this other guy he takes me out on dates but then gets mad that I haven’t put out yet and it’s like do you want a girlfriend or just sex or what, I’m cool with either but just make up your mind!! It’s so frustrating.”

By doing some massive extreme disqualification, the girl knows to only expect sex from me and I avoid a LOT of drama and tears and nagging and headaches lol. I don’t like to leave any hope that they can win me over because then they TRY to and that goes down an annoying path (and can end the relationship sooner when she busts out The Ultimatum).

I like to drop stuff like “I’m dead inside” or use Ryan Reynolds like in Just Friends: “why are you like this?” “some chick eff’ed me up REAL bad.” Lol


  • Dog king
    on February 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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    The dead inside thing is kind of thing is what I use. To me it’s a combination of vulnerability and disqualification game. I feel like I’m a lead in a movie when I play that persona. I actually got the whole idea from an r&b singer, a guy who can fuck any girl he wants but is still caught up the one he had before becoming famous.


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 4:56 pm
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      Hank Moody from Californication is a good example too. He’s got his “the one” and the girls he meets all know he’s “taken” even if he’s single. The way it pans out for him (the girls accepting that all they’ll get from him is sex, but still being interested) is actually pretty close to how it plays out in real life. In a way the girls often envy the girl he “belongs to” and find it romantic/sexy and wish they could be her for him or some guy some day down the road.


  • Arbiter
    on February 19, 2014 at 4:38 pm
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    Speaking of that, I have had “fuck buddies” though we never really said it explicitly. But in the long run it was always an unstable arrangement. One girl I was seeing for a while developed feelings for me, and she was very clingy about it. Because she had only been in one relationship, a long one, and didn’t know anything about game. Another girl got angry at me, even though she knew from the beginning that we wouldn’t be together, as she was too young for me. Other times, things have just fizzled eventually. The longest I maintained a fuck-buddy arrangement was around half a year, and most of these times it felt perfectly all right when it was over. In some cases it felt like a relief.

    The media love to talk about “friends with benefits” and include them in movies and TV shows, where those involved are either oh-so-casual about it or they eventually fall in love. But I suspect that in most cases in real life it doesn’t last long. Kind of like how infidelity in real life is usually much less dramatic than the media make it out to be: like most relationships, the fling on the side usually also just fizzles eventually.


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 5:05 pm
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      ya casual fuckbuddies tend to last about 3 months to a year. Anything past that is an anomally.

      Eventually she catches feelings and delivers The Ultimatum (“I can’t do this anymore if we aren’t going to be in a real relationship, it hurts too much because I like you :(“) and you either lose her or date her as an LTR. You can stall The Ultimatum by following rules like not seeing her more than once every week or two, not doing relationshippy shit, etc.

      Or her goals change and while just sex was enough when you met, she wants a steady Borefriend and finds one and stops calling (till it fizzles out or she misses the sex and you get a “hey” txt at 2am after 8 months of radio silence).

      But the time you have together can be awesome, improve both your lives, leave a bunch of great memories, and end on good terms where you may bang again down the road when your ships pass eachother again. The media bullshits that fuckbuddies either turn into perfect relationships (they CAN tho lol) or they’re shallow empty hookups where someone is being used and gets hurt by the other and it ends horribly.

      It’s all pretty much bullshit to keep us on the marriage wife 2.5 kids white Pickett fence cubicle job you hate till you retire at 60 and die from a heart attack at 61 path that keeps society running.


      • FamilyMan
        on February 20, 2014 at 11:12 am
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        That’s fine if you don’t want kids. The women actually do, and healthy ones will kick you out before they get old waiting for you. I guess this is sort of mutually consensual, after all the girls require a non-needy approach so they are really demanding to be used like this.


        • YaReally
          on February 20, 2014 at 2:47 pm
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          I discuss kids etc with them. Not many chick under 28 want kids these days cause they’ve been brought up to believe they have big career goals and travelling adventures to achieve first because they have no idea the walk will have hit them when they decide to have kids. Thanks feminism lol



Extreme Disqualification Game

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YaReally
on February 19, 2014 at 3:53 pm
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pfft…you want extreme disqualification game?: try keeping a framed photo of your girlfriend on your nightstand while you fuck the new girl lol

I actually learned a LOT from that period.

Personally I like her to know 100% that there’s no chance of me bein her boyfriend/provider. Most girls are actually cool with it as long as you act like it’s normal and you’re up front about your intent and boundaries. Like the Joker says “nobody panics when things go “according to plan”, even if the plan is horrifying.”

Straight from the horses mouth actually, a recent favorite fuckbuddy of mine was bitching about men the other day and she said “this other guy, I can’t tell what he wants. With you it was easy cause you told me right when we met that you’re not going to take me to dinner and you just want to fuck, so I know what “this” is. With this other guy he takes me out on dates but then gets mad that I haven’t put out yet and it’s like do you want a girlfriend or just sex or what, I’m cool with either but just make up your mind!! It’s so frustrating.”

By doing some massive extreme disqualification, the girl knows to only expect sex from me and I avoid a LOT of drama and tears and nagging and headaches lol. I don’t like to leave any hope that they can win me over because then they TRY to and that goes down an annoying path (and can end the relationship sooner when she busts out The Ultimatum).

I like to drop stuff like “I’m dead inside” or use Ryan Reynolds like in Just Friends: “why are you like this?” “some chick eff’ed me up REAL bad.” Lol


  • Dog king
    on February 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm
    Original Link

    The dead inside thing is kind of thing is what I use. To me it’s a combination of vulnerability and disqualification game. I feel like I’m a lead in a movie when I play that persona. I actually got the whole idea from an r&b singer, a guy who can fuck any girl he wants but is still caught up the one he had before becoming famous.


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 4:56 pm
      Original Link

      Hank Moody from Californication is a good example too. He’s got his “the one” and the girls he meets all know he’s “taken” even if he’s single. The way it pans out for him (the girls accepting that all they’ll get from him is sex, but still being interested) is actually pretty close to how it plays out in real life. In a way the girls often envy the girl he “belongs to” and find it romantic/sexy and wish they could be her for him or some guy some day down the road.


  • Arbiter
    on February 19, 2014 at 4:38 pm
    Original Link

    Speaking of that, I have had “fuck buddies” though we never really said it explicitly. But in the long run it was always an unstable arrangement. One girl I was seeing for a while developed feelings for me, and she was very clingy about it. Because she had only been in one relationship, a long one, and didn’t know anything about game. Another girl got angry at me, even though she knew from the beginning that we wouldn’t be together, as she was too young for me. Other times, things have just fizzled eventually. The longest I maintained a fuck-buddy arrangement was around half a year, and most of these times it felt perfectly all right when it was over. In some cases it felt like a relief.

    The media love to talk about “friends with benefits” and include them in movies and TV shows, where those involved are either oh-so-casual about it or they eventually fall in love. But I suspect that in most cases in real life it doesn’t last long. Kind of like how infidelity in real life is usually much less dramatic than the media make it out to be: like most relationships, the fling on the side usually also just fizzles eventually.


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 5:05 pm
      Original Link

      ya casual fuckbuddies tend to last about 3 months to a year. Anything past that is an anomally.

      Eventually she catches feelings and delivers The Ultimatum (“I can’t do this anymore if we aren’t going to be in a real relationship, it hurts too much because I like you :(“) and you either lose her or date her as an LTR. You can stall The Ultimatum by following rules like not seeing her more than once every week or two, not doing relationshippy shit, etc.

      Or her goals change and while just sex was enough when you met, she wants a steady Borefriend and finds one and stops calling (till it fizzles out or she misses the sex and you get a “hey” txt at 2am after 8 months of radio silence).

      But the time you have together can be awesome, improve both your lives, leave a bunch of great memories, and end on good terms where you may bang again down the road when your ships pass eachother again. The media bullshits that fuckbuddies either turn into perfect relationships (they CAN tho lol) or they’re shallow empty hookups where someone is being used and gets hurt by the other and it ends horribly.

      It’s all pretty much bullshit to keep us on the marriage wife 2.5 kids white Pickett fence cubicle job you hate till you retire at 60 and die from a heart attack at 61 path that keeps society running.


    • YaReally
      on February 20, 2014 at 2:47 pm
      Original Link

      I discuss kids etc with them. Not many chick under 28 want kids these days cause they’ve been brought up to believe they have big career goals and travelling adventures to achieve first because they have no idea the walk will have hit them when they decide to have kids. Thanks feminism lol



Disappearing Act Game As A Tool To Attract Women

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Glengarry
on February 18, 2014 at 11:24 am
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Another one who’s found her bliss:

I had recently earned my master’s degree from Harvard and had accepted a coveted yet thankless entry-level position at a well-known philanthropic organization in New York City … At best, I completed simple administrative tasks, such as printing paper and hoarding Post-its, with mild competence. I relished these peaceful moments, for the majority of the time I felt more like a 2-year-old filing estate taxes with crayons. At my annual employee review, my boss placed me on “Performance Probation,” citing at least five or six reasons why I could not be trusted with so much as a stapler. She added that in spite of my attempts to reach out, touch base and other mildly suggestive office essentials, my communication skills were “not improving.” Maybe I’m just dumb, I thought. Maybe I really can’t communicate with people. Maybe I shouldn’t communicate at all.

Tell that to Marina, I now think, staring at the unlikely reflection of a smoky-eyed 25-year-old woman in my lipstick-strewn bathroom. Marina, my online alter ego on a popular adult webcamming site, is the new and improved “me.” She dazzles men with discussions of Indo-European languages while seducing them with her perky derriere, bending over before the camera to reach for her pen

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/10/from_harvard_to_webcam_girl/


  • Zombie Shane
    on February 18, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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    You know, you joke about that, but the standard Ivy League non-STEM degree [humanities, social sciences, ***-Theory, etc*] prepares you to be little more than a whore.

    Your typical Ivy League grad is smart, fairly good looking [since Ivy Leaguers tend not to go all Beluga like their downmarket cousins], is a reasonably good conversationalist, knows to drink white wine with fish and red wine with beef, knows which fork to use with salad, which fork to use with the main course, which fork to use with dessert, etc etc etc, and those are precisely the qualities which a successful bankster [think Richard Gere in Pretty Woman] will be looking for in a high class escort to accompany him for an evening about town.

    In fact, it’s pretty much GBFM’s theory of butthextualization in a nutshell: Any debt incurred to get a non-STEM degree prepares you for nothing but life as a prostitute.

    Not metaphorically.

    But literally.

    Debt-ridden non-STEM == Life as a Whore.

    I used to know a smoking-hot Ivy League Art History major [who fucked like a wild animal], and she told me once – in dead earnestness – that she could easily imagine herself living a life as a professional hooker.

    I did a double take at the time, and thereafter it took me a while to come to grips with the fact that she was completely serious about it – not joking at all.

    Needless to say, she quickly got her named crossed off of the short list for becoming the future Mrs. Zombie Shane.

    *Where “***-” = “Literary-”, “Critical-”, “Deconstructionist-”, “Post-Modern-”, “Feminist-”, “Chicano-”, “Latino-”, “Afro-American-”, “GLBT-”, “Levant-”, etc etc etc…


    • Troubadour
      on February 18, 2014 at 3:32 pm
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      Anything you invest to get a non-STEM degree prepares you to figure out how to do something else if you want to earn a living, that’s for sure. Whoring doesn’t work so well for dudes who don’t like fucking other dudes, so I invested some money in a useful education, and got a CDL.

      I advised my son to skip college and become a plumber or an electrician. So of course he’s in college, but at least he’s getting a STEM degree.


      • Zombie Shane
        on February 18, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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        > “Whoring doesn’t work so well for dudes who don’t like fucking other dudes”

        Actually, I disagree.

        I bet that the top 20% [whatever that means] of dudes here at the Chateau could EASILY earn a living as gigolos fucking horny widows and bored post-menopausal housewives and fat ugly careerist orca witches.

        Seriously.

        William Baldwin did that shit in a movie once:

        As did Richard Gere:


        • Troubadour
          on February 18, 2014 at 5:03 pm
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          What’s fucked up is how right you are. My thing about guys is just a standard line I use all the time, but in truth I can think of at least five girls right now who would probably pay me good money to fuck them.

          I’m going to have to scratch my beard and contemplate this. Do I want to fuck somebody prettier than Shamu or not? I very much do. What is my biggest problem? I work 70 hours a week on night shift and rarely see girls. What is my second biggest problem? Thanks to years of me being too much of a pussy to control Shamu’s fanatical spending, I’m in a very serious financial cluster fuck.

          Being a real man whore could solve a lot of problems. But is it worth it becoming a full-blown criminal? I don’t even cheat on my taxes, because I prefer the straight and narrow. Life is simpler that way.


          • YaReally
            on February 18, 2014 at 6:51 pm
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            Knew a guy who did it. The girls were decently hot (they have $ to burn so they have $ to take care of themselves), but generally super fucked in the head lol he got a crazy stalker and bailed on the whole thing. She set up a website about what an asshole he is and he got some harassing calls etc it was funny shit all around. He was working thru an agency online as an escort. The $ was great and he likes fucking so it was win/win to him but he stopped after a few months. He only had clients every couple weeks it wasn’t like 10 chicks a day. Also the stalker tried to not pay him once and he bitched her out and that was when she started getting more annoying/psycho.


          • YaReally
            on February 19, 2014 at 1:06 am
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            @Zombie

            lol everything you described is exactly what happened. They were mostly lonely career women (that varies by city but this was a well off career city with lots of $) and a lot of them hired him to make ex-BFs and GFs jealous and to go to work functions and give them the “boyfriend experience” on top of the sex.

            And they did fall in love lol thus his stalker and a couple others he had to stop seeing.

            In the end the hassle was too much and he was paranoid about getting stung or blindsided by crazy stalker drama so he bailed on the whole thing. He got txts and random visits from one chick for like a year after


          • YaReally
            on February 19, 2014 at 6:19 am
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            “Back when I used to waste time with those things, I never got any responses from even one attractive chick, and that says a lot about my visual curb appeal at my finest. It is what it is.”

            Ya I should’ve mentioned that my buddy is super good-looking. He’s a Natural so he has game but the Joans were calling him based 100% on his pics/height/6-pack/face/etc. plus he has a traditional manly look (VS a metrosexual type guy) and a lot of older chicks want to be tossed around and dominated so he looked up their alley.

            None of those chicks would see my photos on an escort site and drop $300 to bone me lol. If I met them in person I could talk away my average looks (and girls have spent $ on me or to buy things to wear for me etc) but like I couldn’t set up an escort profile charging $$$ and expect to get anything but gross Joans contacting me at best lol


          • YaReally
            on February 19, 2014 at 9:37 am
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            “The more I think about it, the more I’m liking this idea.”

            That’s ’cause you’re picturing girls who aren’t fucked in the head. I met a couple of his Joans (almost banged one with him lol)…they weren’t any kind of quality you’d want combined with your genes. Your children would be damaged as fuck, if not by default from birth inheriting all her crazy, then on top of it they have these damaged chicks raising them.

            Seems like quality over quantity should matter when you pass on your genes, but different strokes for different folks lol


        • bob
          on February 19, 2014 at 9:10 am
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          “I bet that the top 20% [whatever that means] of dudes here at the Chateau could EASILY earn a living as gigolos fucking horny widows and bored post-menopausal housewives and fat ugly careerist orca witches.”

          There is an entire market ready for the taking. Classic marketers won’t really understand how to provide “good guys” (alphas) to the customers, so there is very little competition and lots of money to make.

          The way to do it is simple: escort boys, with no sex involved in the contract. Officially, the girl pays for an evening/night with a man, but strictly as an escort. NEVER mention sex EVER. But of course that’s how it will end anyway (assuming your boys are alphas). Give the girls their deniability and a good alpha, and you hit the jackpot. Hell, you could even get funding from the Ministry of Health and whatnot because you’d be fixing those girls.


          • YaReally
            on February 19, 2014 at 9:48 am
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            “There is an entire market ready for the taking.”

            I actually agree, esp over the next 20 years when these 25yo chicks who “don’t need no man, I’m a career woman and I have my cats!” hit 35 and are still alone and realize feminism fucked them over. They’ll have tons of $, tons of free time, and no attention from men. A guy could clean up in that market.

            “Officially, the girl pays for an evening/night with a man, but strictly as an escort. NEVER mention sex EVER. But of course that’s how it will end anyway”

            I would actually recommend NOT fucking them. Just building sexual tension. Learn from the best:

            These guys explain a lot of the psychology involved in doing this, like having different personality type guys to appeal to a variety of women, from stuff like scolding the girls when they’re being dumb (acting as their father figure they need at times) and teasing them without actually having sex with them, ’cause once you have sex with them, they stop needing to chase. These guys pull in like $20,000 – $50,000 a month.

            There are a lot of downsides to it, watch the documentary. Also check the sick alpha body language and slow speaking etc. on the guy in the grey suit with the bandaged finger. Dude is boss. The main guy that runs the place is more ideal though, in terms of appealing to a lot of different types of women. Grey suit guy will appeal to a certain type, boss guy is more versatile/charismatic so naturally he makes the most $.

            There was a PUA who went to Japan and worked in one of these host clubs and reported about it and answered questions and stuff…can’t remember his name, “Oh!Saka!” I think? It was a while back.

            But I could see something like this becoming a thing in North America in like, 10-20 years. In theory i THINK would be legal too, if you’re not fucking them…? I don’t really know the laws about that stuff, is it illegal to pay for someone’s attention if it doesn’t involve sex?

            Anyway, great documentary. It’s pretty much required watching for red pill guys. Interestingly the guys’ actual cold-approach pickup skills are pretty shit lol



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Another one who’s found her bliss:

I had recently earned my master’s degree from Harvard and had accepted a coveted yet thankless entry-level position at a well-known philanthropic organization in New York City … At best, I completed simple administrative tasks, such as printing paper and hoarding Post-its, with mild competence. I relished these peaceful moments, for the majority of the time I felt more like a 2-year-old filing estate taxes with crayons. At my annual employee review, my boss placed me on “Performance Probation,” citing at least five or six reasons why I could not be trusted with so much as a stapler. She added that in spite of my attempts to reach out, touch base and other mildly suggestive office essentials, my communication skills were “not improving.” Maybe I’m just dumb, I thought. Maybe I really can’t communicate with people. Maybe I shouldn’t communicate at all.

Tell that to Marina, I now think, staring at the unlikely reflection of a smoky-eyed 25-year-old woman in my lipstick-strewn bathroom. Marina, my online alter ego on a popular adult webcamming site, is the new and improved “me.” She dazzles men with discussions of Indo-European languages while seducing them with her perky derriere, bending over before the camera to reach for her pen

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/10/from_harvard_to_webcam_girl/


  • Zombie Shane
    on February 18, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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    You know, you joke about that, but the standard Ivy League non-STEM degree [humanities, social sciences, ***-Theory, etc*] prepares you to be little more than a whore.

    Your typical Ivy League grad is smart, fairly good looking [since Ivy Leaguers tend not to go all Beluga like their downmarket cousins], is a reasonably good conversationalist, knows to drink white wine with fish and red wine with beef, knows which fork to use with salad, which fork to use with the main course, which fork to use with dessert, etc etc etc, and those are precisely the qualities which a successful bankster [think Richard Gere in Pretty Woman] will be looking for in a high class escort to accompany him for an evening about town.

    In fact, it’s pretty much GBFM’s theory of butthextualization in a nutshell: Any debt incurred to get a non-STEM degree prepares you for nothing but life as a prostitute.

    Not metaphorically.

    But literally.

    Debt-ridden non-STEM == Life as a Whore.

    I used to know a smoking-hot Ivy League Art History major [who fucked like a wild animal], and she told me once – in dead earnestness – that she could easily imagine herself living a life as a professional hooker.

    I did a double take at the time, and thereafter it took me a while to come to grips with the fact that she was completely serious about it – not joking at all.

    Needless to say, she quickly got her named crossed off of the short list for becoming the future Mrs. Zombie Shane.

    *Where “***-” = “Literary-“, “Critical-“, “Deconstructionist-“, “Post-Modern-“, “Feminist-“, “Chicano-“, “Latino-“, “Afro-American-“, “GLBT-“, “Levant-“, etc etc etc…


    • YaReally
      on February 18, 2014 at 6:51 pm
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      Knew a guy who did it. The girls were decently hot (they have $ to burn so they have $ to take care of themselves), but generally super fucked in the head lol he got a crazy stalker and bailed on the whole thing. She set up a website about what an asshole he is and he got some harassing calls etc it was funny shit all around. He was working thru an agency online as an escort. The $ was great and he likes fucking so it was win/win to him but he stopped after a few months. He only had clients every couple weeks it wasn’t like 10 chicks a day. Also the stalker tried to not pay him once and he bitched her out and that was when she started getting more annoying/psycho.


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 1:06 am
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      @Zombie

      lol everything you described is exactly what happened. They were mostly lonely career women (that varies by city but this was a well off career city with lots of $) and a lot of them hired him to make ex-BFs and GFs jealous and to go to work functions and give them the “boyfriend experience” on top of the sex.

      And they did fall in love lol thus his stalker and a couple others he had to stop seeing.

      In the end the hassle was too much and he was paranoid about getting stung or blindsided by crazy stalker drama so he bailed on the whole thing. He got txts and random visits from one chick for like a year after


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 6:19 am
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      “Back when I used to waste time with those things, I never got any responses from even one attractive chick, and that says a lot about my visual curb appeal at my finest. It is what it is.”

      Ya I should’ve mentioned that my buddy is super good-looking. He’s a Natural so he has game but the Joans were calling him based 100% on his pics/height/6-pack/face/etc. plus he has a traditional manly look (VS a metrosexual type guy) and a lot of older chicks want to be tossed around and dominated so he looked up their alley.

      None of those chicks would see my photos on an escort site and drop $300 to bone me lol. If I met them in person I could talk away my average looks (and girls have spent $ on me or to buy things to wear for me etc) but like I couldn’t set up an escort profile charging $$$ and expect to get anything but gross Joans contacting me at best lol


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 9:37 am
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      “The more I think about it, the more I’m liking this idea.”

      That’s ’cause you’re picturing girls who aren’t fucked in the head. I met a couple of his Joans (almost banged one with him lol)…they weren’t any kind of quality you’d want combined with your genes. Your children would be damaged as fuck, if not by default from birth inheriting all her crazy, then on top of it they have these damaged chicks raising them.

      Seems like quality over quantity should matter when you pass on your genes, but different strokes for different folks lol


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 9:48 am
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      “There is an entire market ready for the taking.”

      I actually agree, esp over the next 20 years when these 25yo chicks who “don’t need no man, I’m a career woman and I have my cats!” hit 35 and are still alone and realize feminism fucked them over. They’ll have tons of $, tons of free time, and no attention from men. A guy could clean up in that market.

      “Officially, the girl pays for an evening/night with a man, but strictly as an escort. NEVER mention sex EVER. But of course that’s how it will end anyway”

      I would actually recommend NOT fucking them. Just building sexual tension. Learn from the best:

      These guys explain a lot of the psychology involved in doing this, like having different personality type guys to appeal to a variety of women, from stuff like scolding the girls when they’re being dumb (acting as their father figure they need at times) and teasing them without actually having sex with them, ’cause once you have sex with them, they stop needing to chase. These guys pull in like $20,000 – $50,000 a month.

      There are a lot of downsides to it, watch the documentary. Also check the sick alpha body language and slow speaking etc. on the guy in the grey suit with the bandaged finger. Dude is boss. The main guy that runs the place is more ideal though, in terms of appealing to a lot of different types of women. Grey suit guy will appeal to a certain type, boss guy is more versatile/charismatic so naturally he makes the most $.

      There was a PUA who went to Japan and worked in one of these host clubs and reported about it and answered questions and stuff…can’t remember his name, “Oh!Saka!” I think? It was a while back.

      But I could see something like this becoming a thing in North America in like, 10-20 years. In theory i THINK would be legal too, if you’re not fucking them…? I don’t really know the laws about that stuff, is it illegal to pay for someone’s attention if it doesn’t involve sex?

      Anyway, great documentary. It’s pretty much required watching for red pill guys. Interestingly the guys’ actual cold-approach pickup skills are pretty shit lol



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This is kinda off topic and a bit random…but I’m beginning to think that girls 8 and above have higher numbers than most guys, except guys with 30+. I just keep hearing about hot girls that I know and the guys they’ve had sex with (a lot of them…). Also, CH can you clarify what the difference between a guy chasing a girl is vs a girl chasing a guy. It seems to be done differently but I’m wondering if there’s any trends. For instance, I notice most girls will be more indirect. Guy will say hi let’s hang, vs girl will hint that she’s thinking about you (is this hint equivalent to her chasing??…). But when the girl hints this it can also be interpreted as beta bait…so if you’re always biting on the beta bait then you’ll lose the girl? but then you’ll lose her anyway if you don’t make a move….This isn’t exactly on topic with this post, but you should clarify the difference between beta bait, making the move, and keeping a girl for good.


  • YaReally
    on February 19, 2014 at 1:20 am
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    They have higher numbers than they know most guys want to hear, so they literally convince themselves that a bunch of those “don’t count” (to the point where they could pass a lie detector test), or consciously lie to the guy about their count esp if he seems like he’d judge her for it. Show that you’re non-judgemental and they’ll tell you about all sorts of fucked up shit that would blow most guys circuits apart lol

    Do you really think a hot girl is having any less sex than you’d have if YOU had 30 chicks a day begging you for sex and wining and dining you and buying you shit for the chance to touch your dick to where you can literally send out a txt from your bedroom or put on a nice shirt and get laid with no effort?

    Their prob is they generally want high value guys (hypergamy) not just random notches, so most of the really hot ones are banging ex-BFs and long-term FBs who they’ve already determined are sexworthy to them. They’d LIKE to meet a new guy who can handle them but that’s rare and more common is they meet guys who treat them sexual and who’s hands shake as they take off her bra, so they go back to their ex who was kind of an abusive dick but man did he know how to choke-fuck them till they cry, the way they love and wish that random new guy had the experience with hot girls to do. They’d RATHER bang him but he’s too rare to wait for and in the meantime a girl’s got needs.


    • bob
      on February 19, 2014 at 9:28 am
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      “Do you really think a hot girl is having any less sex than you’d have if YOU had 30 chicks a day begging you for sex and wining and dining you and buying you shit for the chance to touch your dick to where you can literally send out a txt from your bedroom or put on a nice shirt and get laid with no effort?”

      Women know that their value decreases with each notch. With great power comes great responsibility, it’s as simple as that. And personally, it’s precisely because I respect women that I hold them accountable for their notch count.


      • YaReally
        on February 19, 2014 at 10:33 am
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        “Women know that their value decreases with each notch.”

        DO they, these days?

        The ones that do, well, that’s why they lie about their notch count, want isolation/discretion when they fuck guys like me, and why they rationalize in their heads that “that didn’t count because I was on vacation in the bahamas” and “that didn’t count because he was black” and “that didn’t count because I wish I didn’t hook up with him” etc.

        “And personally, it’s precisely because I respect women that I hold them accountable for their notch count.”

        And that’s why they lie about their notch count to YOU, specifically…because they know you’ll judge them. They spend a good portion of their lives from the time they sprout tits learning to spot people who will “hold them accountable” and generally err on the safe side if they aren’t sure about your views.


    • Amy
      on February 19, 2014 at 11:19 am
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      “Do you really think a hot girl is having any less sex than you’d have if YOU had 30 chicks a day begging you for sex and wining and dining you and buying you shit for the chance to touch your dick to where you can literally send out a txt from your bedroom or put on a nice shirt and get laid with no effort?”

      Ummmmm yes she is. Are you serious? Whatever SMV number I am, I could have sex every day with a different attractive man with minimal to no effort. And of course I don’t. Do you really think I have the same number of sexual partners as you do? Do you know ANY woman who has the same number of sexual partners as you do?

      Personally, I think less attractive women are more likely to have high numbers. They’re more likely to trade sex for temporary alpha attention.


      • YaReally
        on February 19, 2014 at 3:10 pm
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        I didn’t say they have a lot of sexual partners, I said they have sex.

        Let’s compare how many times you’ve had sex, foreplay, kissing, oral, etc (including with the same person, not just new partners, so one partner you bang every day for a year counts as sex 365 times that year) between age 18-28 with the average beta AFC.


        • Amy
          on February 19, 2014 at 3:32 pm
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          The original question was whether hot girls have higher notch counts than less attractive ones. Notch count is number of sex partners, not number of times a person has had sex.

          If you’re suggesting hot women have more sexual experience, you might be on to something. The higher status the man is, the more sexual experience he tends to have, so a girl dating this type may end up with a more varied sexual experience herself.


          • YaReally
            on February 20, 2014 at 2:33 am
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            “The original question was whether hot girls have higher notch counts than less attractive ones.”

            No it wasn’t. The original question was:

            “I’m beginning to think that girls 8 and above have higher numbers than most guys, except guys with 30+.”

            No mention of comparing their numbers to ugly girls at all. Just comparing their numbers I the average guy. Then you jumped on my dick to derail shit with your “ugly VS hot” interpretation. Let me guess, you consider yourself one of the 8+ hotties, and you’ve only seen one dick because you’re not like those slutty whores right? Lol

            Scray’s reply is a good breakdown of why the hotter girls don’t have as high a notch count…but not having a high notch count doesn’t mean they aren’t having sex. Hypergamy makes them have regular partners more than random notches. My message is more for the “this HB9 I know is an innocent angel!!” guys who think that HB9 isn’t heading over to an ex-BFs or FBs place at last call to get railed.

            On the flip side, those 8+ girls have still had way the fuck more than “3.2 partners” lol. Anyone who believes an 8+ girl living in 2014 (back in the 90s or 80s it was different…how old are you Amy?) has only touched 3 unique dicks or only had 3 unique fingers/tongues touch her pussy between ages 16-30 is an idiot lol I mean, it’s possible, I’ve met 25+yo virgins before, but those girls are usually pretty damaged with unhealthy views about sex and/or a traumatizing history involving rape, and they’re such a low % that they’re pretty much irrelevant.

            Here’s some Field Experience talking…like Tyler or not, he’s been out there around the hotties in high-end venues pretty much every night for like 10 years:


          • YaReally
            on February 21, 2014 at 9:03 am
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            I will put stars around the important parts because apparently you are an idiot lol:

            “I’m beginning to think that girls 8 and above have higher numbers than most *******guys********, except *********guys********* with 30+.”

            You wrote:

            “The original question was whether hot girls have higher notch counts than ********less attractive ones********.”

            In the context of your sentence, you’re comparing hot *****girls’***** notch counts to less attractive *****girls’***** notch counts. They have the same genetilia.

            In the original question, he was comparing hot *****girls’***** notch counts to *****GUYS*****, THE OTHER GENDER THAT HAS PENISES INSTEAD OF VAGINAS.

            Jesus. I know you’re blonde, but come on.



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This is kinda off topic and a bit random…but I’m beginning to think that girls 8 and above have higher numbers than most guys, except guys with 30+. I just keep hearing about hot girls that I know and the guys they’ve had sex with (a lot of them…). Also, CH can you clarify what the difference between a guy chasing a girl is vs a girl chasing a guy. It seems to be done differently but I’m wondering if there’s any trends. For instance, I notice most girls will be more indirect. Guy will say hi let’s hang, vs girl will hint that she’s thinking about you (is this hint equivalent to her chasing??…). But when the girl hints this it can also be interpreted as beta bait…so if you’re always biting on the beta bait then you’ll lose the girl? but then you’ll lose her anyway if you don’t make a move….This isn’t exactly on topic with this post, but you should clarify the difference between beta bait, making the move, and keeping a girl for good.


  • YaReally
    on February 19, 2014 at 1:20 am
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    They have higher numbers than they know most guys want to hear, so they literally convince themselves that a bunch of those “don’t count” (to the point where they could pass a lie detector test), or consciously lie to the guy about their count esp if he seems like he’d judge her for it. Show that you’re non-judgemental and they’ll tell you about all sorts of fucked up shit that would blow most guys circuits apart lol

    Do you really think a hot girl is having any less sex than you’d have if YOU had 30 chicks a day begging you for sex and wining and dining you and buying you shit for the chance to touch your dick to where you can literally send out a txt from your bedroom or put on a nice shirt and get laid with no effort?

    Their prob is they generally want high value guys (hypergamy) not just random notches, so most of the really hot ones are banging ex-BFs and long-term FBs who they’ve already determined are sexworthy to them. They’d LIKE to meet a new guy who can handle them but that’s rare and more common is they meet guys who treat them sexual and who’s hands shake as they take off her bra, so they go back to their ex who was kind of an abusive dick but man did he know how to choke-fuck them till they cry, the way they love and wish that random new guy had the experience with hot girls to do. They’d RATHER bang him but he’s too rare to wait for and in the meantime a girl’s got needs.


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 10:33 am
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      “Women know that their value decreases with each notch.”

      DO they, these days?

      The ones that do, well, that’s why they lie about their notch count, want isolation/discretion when they fuck guys like me, and why they rationalize in their heads that “that didn’t count because I was on vacation in the bahamas” and “that didn’t count because he was black” and “that didn’t count because I wish I didn’t hook up with him” etc.

      “And personally, it’s precisely because I respect women that I hold them accountable for their notch count.”

      And that’s why they lie about their notch count to YOU, specifically…because they know you’ll judge them. They spend a good portion of their lives from the time they sprout tits learning to spot people who will “hold them accountable” and generally err on the safe side if they aren’t sure about your views.


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 3:10 pm
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      I didn’t say they have a lot of sexual partners, I said they have sex.

      Let’s compare how many times you’ve had sex, foreplay, kissing, oral, etc (including with the same person, not just new partners, so one partner you bang every day for a year counts as sex 365 times that year) between age 18-28 with the average beta AFC.


    • YaReally
      on February 20, 2014 at 2:33 am
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      “The original question was whether hot girls have higher notch counts than less attractive ones.”

      No it wasn’t. The original question was:

      “I’m beginning to think that girls 8 and above have higher numbers than most guys, except guys with 30+.”

      No mention of comparing their numbers to ugly girls at all. Just comparing their numbers I the average guy. Then you jumped on my dick to derail shit with your “ugly VS hot” interpretation. Let me guess, you consider yourself one of the 8+ hotties, and you’ve only seen one dick because you’re not like those slutty whores right? Lol

      Scray’s reply is a good breakdown of why the hotter girls don’t have as high a notch count…but not having a high notch count doesn’t mean they aren’t having sex. Hypergamy makes them have regular partners more than random notches. My message is more for the “this HB9 I know is an innocent angel!!” guys who think that HB9 isn’t heading over to an ex-BFs or FBs place at last call to get railed.

      On the flip side, those 8+ girls have still had way the fuck more than “3.2 partners” lol. Anyone who believes an 8+ girl living in 2014 (back in the 90s or 80s it was different…how old are you Amy?) has only touched 3 unique dicks or only had 3 unique fingers/tongues touch her pussy between ages 16-30 is an idiot lol I mean, it’s possible, I’ve met 25+yo virgins before, but those girls are usually pretty damaged with unhealthy views about sex and/or a traumatizing history involving rape, and they’re such a low % that they’re pretty much irrelevant.

      Here’s some Field Experience talking…like Tyler or not, he’s been out there around the hotties in high-end venues pretty much every night for like 10 years:


    • YaReally
      on February 21, 2014 at 9:03 am
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      I will put stars around the important parts because apparently you are an idiot lol:

      “I’m beginning to think that girls 8 and above have higher numbers than most *******guys********, except *********guys********* with 30+.”

      You wrote:

      “The original question was whether hot girls have higher notch counts than ********less attractive ones********.”

      In the context of your sentence, you’re comparing hot *****girls’***** notch counts to less attractive *****girls’***** notch counts. They have the same genetilia.

      In the original question, he was comparing hot *****girls’***** notch counts to *****GUYS*****, THE OTHER GENDER THAT HAS PENISES INSTEAD OF VAGINAS.

      Jesus. I know you’re blonde, but come on.



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Some girls say that buying sexy lingerie and dressing up for sex is only for special occasions. Well sex with me is ALWAYS a special occasion. She’s lucky I’m allowing her to fuck me, so I expect her to put in effort.

If she doesn’t, that’s perfectly alright by me. I’m not a controlling man, I just know what I like. If she makes the conscious decision that pleasing me isn’t her top priority when I allow her the chance to touch my dick, that’s cool, she just becomes lower priority in my rotation under the girls who DO appreciate the prize they’ve won.

If she continues to slack, I stop calling. If she gets her act together again, she goes back up in priority again. It’s a very simple formula and isn’t swayed by her logical discussions or complaining. Why would I waste my time with a girl who doesn’t view sex with me as something she should value?

I have this freedom because I don’t do monogamy. Once you enter a monogamous relationship (especially legally in marriage), you voluntarily neuter this power lol

I’ve had girl with boyfriends/husbands who go but sexy outfits to fuck me in that they’ll never wear for their lame provider men. Often, as others have mentioned, the girls LOVE getting to dress up and love the anxiety of hoping their outfit gets your approval.

The death ring of a relationship is the first time a girl says “I just want to change into my comfies babe” when she walks thru the door.

Setting and enforcing this frame is all learned though…I used to be like every other beta AFC and would take what I can get. Now I will literally shut the door as I say “nope. Go home and change.” on a girl who doesn’t show up like she won the sexual lottery lol


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on February 18th, 2014 at 9:31 am
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Some girls say that buying sexy lingerie and dressing up for sex is only for special occasions. Well sex with me is ALWAYS a special occasion. She’s lucky I’m allowing her to fuck me, so I expect her to put in effort.

If she doesn’t, that’s perfectly alright by me. I’m not a controlling man, I just know what I like. If she makes the conscious decision that pleasing me isn’t her top priority when I allow her the chance to touch my dick, that’s cool, she just becomes lower priority in my rotation under the girls who DO appreciate the prize they’ve won.

If she continues to slack, I stop calling. If she gets her act together again, she goes back up in priority again. It’s a very simple formula and isn’t swayed by her logical discussions or complaining. Why would I waste my time with a girl who doesn’t view sex with me as something she should value?

I have this freedom because I don’t do monogamy. Once you enter a monogamous relationship (especially legally in marriage), you voluntarily neuter this power lol

I’ve had girl with boyfriends/husbands who go but sexy outfits to fuck me in that they’ll never wear for their lame provider men. Often, as others have mentioned, the girls LOVE getting to dress up and love the anxiety of hoping their outfit gets your approval.

The death ring of a relationship is the first time a girl says “I just want to change into my comfies babe” when she walks thru the door.

Setting and enforcing this frame is all learned though…I used to be like every other beta AFC and would take what I can get. Now I will literally shut the door as I say “nope. Go home and change.” on a girl who doesn’t show up like she won the sexual lottery lol


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@BC

“it is important to note that it is worse to resist and then fold than it is to simply fold (accept a situation) from the outset.”

Agreed. I’m a nice guy, I’ll give women a chance…maybe she decided to answer her door in sweatpants and no makeup because I wasn’t clear enough about what I expect. That first time I’ll go in and we’ll bang like normal, and I’ll simply make it clear after we fuck that I won’t accept that behavior next time.

The next time, I’ll be going to her place with the full intention of turning around and heading home if she answers the door and isn’t done up, because at that point she’s actively choosing to not care about my desires and needs to know that I’m perfectly fine with walking away and calling up or finding a different girl who will put in the effort I like.

There’s no bitterness, no butt-hurtness, it’s just a cold clinical “the formula is A + B = C…if you don’t provide B, then you don’t get C. Provide B again and you’re more than welcome back into my world to get C, but the decision is entirely up to you.”

This is also why I like having them come over to my place, ’cause it’s easier to shut the door on them and the consequence is more in-her-face when she has to do a walk-of-shame away from my door and drive all the way home (even better if she cabbed or took the bus lol) and blows up in txts at me for a couple hours calling me an asshole etc…she won’t forget that anytime soon. Whereas going to her place and then turning around and leaving, while necessary sometimes, is a waste of my time/effort and less consequential to her because she simply doesn’t get laid and, depending on her options, may not be that big a deal to her since she didn’t really have to invest anything that night…the more of an impact you make, the more she understands that you’re a man willing to enforce his boundaries/expectations which is, inherently, attractive and raises your value because you clearly have abundance if you can turn away sex that isn’t 100% on your terms.


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@BC

“it is important to note that it is worse to resist and then fold than it is to simply fold (accept a situation) from the outset.”

Agreed. I’m a nice guy, I’ll give women a chance…maybe she decided to answer her door in sweatpants and no makeup because I wasn’t clear enough about what I expect. That first time I’ll go in and we’ll bang like normal, and I’ll simply make it clear after we fuck that I won’t accept that behavior next time.

The next time, I’ll be going to her place with the full intention of turning around and heading home if she answers the door and isn’t done up, because at that point she’s actively choosing to not care about my desires and needs to know that I’m perfectly fine with walking away and calling up or finding a different girl who will put in the effort I like.

There’s no bitterness, no butt-hurtness, it’s just a cold clinical “the formula is A + B = C…if you don’t provide B, then you don’t get C. Provide B again and you’re more than welcome back into my world to get C, but the decision is entirely up to you.”

This is also why I like having them come over to my place, ’cause it’s easier to shut the door on them and the consequence is more in-her-face when she has to do a walk-of-shame away from my door and drive all the way home (even better if she cabbed or took the bus lol) and blows up in txts at me for a couple hours calling me an asshole etc…she won’t forget that anytime soon. Whereas going to her place and then turning around and leaving, while necessary sometimes, is a waste of my time/effort and less consequential to her because she simply doesn’t get laid and, depending on her options, may not be that big a deal to her since she didn’t really have to invest anything that night…the more of an impact you make, the more she understands that you’re a man willing to enforce his boundaries/expectations which is, inherently, attractive and raises your value because you clearly have abundance if you can turn away sex that isn’t 100% on your terms.


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YaReally
on February 19th, 2014 at 3:37 am
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@walawala

I agree with BC. I was going to say “you wouldn’t get mad if you had 2 other girls txting you begging to come over that you could flip your phone open and go “k you can come suck my dick but bring wine”.” But having other stuff to do like the gym work etc works too. That’s why we invite girls to something we’re doing anyway, and why I have them come over, so if they flake it’s not a big deal.

It’ll come over time, as you get more girls on the go. I had one buddy who, if a chick came over and tried to just cuddle and not put out, would flip open his phone and let her see the screen as he started txting another girl to come over to bang, and telling the one cuddled up to him that he’ll call her a taxi. Had a 100% success rate with that tactic lol


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blotter
on February 16, 2014 at 1:35 am
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no relevance to the blog post. but i feel like sharing shit.

I posted a few months ago gushing thanks or YaReally (and by extension, CH, rational male, etc) for the red pill enlightenment. Im a gamma male but I swore I was going to start working everyday to improve. I wasnt cold opening yet but I was trying to run game on all the girls I work with. I got a cute 18 yr old to go on a day date with me before work (only way i could do anything with her) and got a kiss, controlled the frame perfectly up until that, then i got bad oneitis and i think i failed some really obvious shit tests. had a lot of drama that lowered my value at work a bit, realized why they say not to shit where you eat, but i recovered. i have a really strong frame at work somehow, i socialy dominate everyone there. i just suck eerywhere else.

so anyway i finally went out tonight and committed to cold opening. and i did it. i stilll stood at the bar and drank a lot with a buddy, but im also cool with the bartenders, one of my friends tends bar there, so i have some social proof, and i opened every girl that came near me lol. not quite the same as APPROACHING per se, but it works. i try to get girls to buy me drinks, mock and say how dare you when they refuse, then get names, redirect the convo and go from there. i met a girl that was telling me all kinds of personal shit, big dish bowl eyes, like 3 or 4 dudes were orbiting around us while i had that bubble effect going, some dude appeared and tried to amog me and she introduced him as her “best friend” and i punked him and kept our convo going, then i lost it when my buddy distracted me to get another round.

so i felt really great from that, it fizzled out but my mindset was right, taking the positive elements from that. the upstairs bar closed so i went down, moved up to the bar next to some blonde, i tried to open her but she blatantly ignored me, really rudely. so i stood at the bar just saying shit in the air like “i know im producing soundwaves that make air that effect ear buds, and im right next to you, so i know you heard me say hi” etc, over and over, and she finally turns to me and gets very hostile, saying leave me alone, etc. 2-3 big muscular dudes swarm me to defend her, and im into bjj/mma so one of my problems is that i ALWAYS get into near fights with guys, cuz i never back down, and instead of that “no fight is going to happen” frame yareally talks about, i just have a “yes, let us please fight” frame cuz i know i can smash bitches lol. so anyway they overwhelm me with social pressure and i finally leave the bar.

i dunno what im posting this for. give me a pat on the back? i just feel really good for finally opening shit, and im learning to not give a fuck. im actually starting to get ADDICTED to that social pressure of making awkward situations. its fucking fun lol


  • Matthew King
    on February 17, 2014 at 10:51 am
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    Good stuff. You’re converting your courage with men (fight) to courage with women (fuck), not the easiest of transitions.

    Reject the “no fight is going to happen” sissy-frame, it engenders unspoken, visceral disrespect. Don’t make a clownish display of yourself, but leverage your physical fortitude among men into the new context of social courage among skirts. It would be tragic for a man who is already comfortable with confrontation to be led astray by “men without chests” who avoid conflict at all costs, including the pussy prize.

    It’s encouraging to see you intuitively develop your own understanding of game. For all the lure of easy trim, game is ultimately about manliness applied to the pick-up. The growing potential of this community hinges on how quickly its vagocentric champions realize game’s utility beyond its most basic application — impressing tipsy-trampy bimbos.

    Matt


    • YaReally
      on February 17, 2014 at 12:01 pm
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      “Reject the “no fight is going to happen” sissy-frame, it engenders unspoken, visceral disrespect.”

      Your problem, because you live in a fantasy world in your basement instead of going out, is that you picture avoiding a fight as ducking and scurrying away into the shadows, hands over your head whimpering “please don’t hurt me, sir!!!” Because that’s what it looks like in cartoons.

      But in reality you can stop fighting with calm authoritative tonality. A lot of the potential fights I’ve diffused basically looked like I’m a principal scolding a student lol friends have asked how I get away with it but it’s just a strong frame and breaking rapport tonality combined with applying massive social pressure, followed by extending an olive branch for him to take to escape the pressure. Sometimes I’ll even lecture the guy “HEY. Come on now. You know that’s not cool. No, shut up, you’re being a dick and you know it. We’re all here to have fun. I know you’re not an asshole, we’re all just drunk. Lets not make this some bullshit dick waving contest.”

      I explain the structure of this handling AMOG stuff somewhere in my archive in a lot more depth but it’s a consistent thing, learned thru experience mostly.

      The thing is that anyone reading this will go “lol whatevs I would knock your block off, my MMA buddy would kill you if you tried to scold him” because they haven’t seen it. But unless your MMA buddy would punch out a cop when the cop tells him to face the wall, he’s going to cave to authoritative voice, the implication of status/power, and a stronger frame than his…it’s just a question of how MUCH of that it’ll take to make him cave and since most guys don’t learn to handle social pressure (the OP eventually ran away due to the social pressure despite his big talk lol), it often doesn’t take much. And it’s easy to leverage more social pressure as you just get girls, staff, the crowd, etc on your side. Comedians are great at this, when a heckler shouts shit out and they rally the crowd on their side they’re just applying social pressure to the heckler…it’s very hard for anyone to hold their position when they’re convinced an entire room full of people are against them.

      Also most big tough guys have never run into someone talking to them this way so when it happens they get a slight shell-shock because I’m not an intimidating looking guy so they’re confused why a guy like me would be so sure of myself. Strongest frame always wins and sucks other people into it. While they’re shell-shocked, since I’m expecting it, I just lead them into a better frame. It’s kind of like a pattern-interrupt in NLP, where you derail someone from their path and give them a new one while they’re short-circuited.

      Again, no one will believe this I’m sure lol cause even the guys who go out probably don’t learn to deal with AMOGs this way, but it would blow their minds to see it and I’ve done it a bunch of times over the years. Again check my archives for details on it. Ironically it’s actually the biggest toughest guys who turn into schoolchildren shuffling their feet like they got their hand caught in the cookie jar when you scold them…the little guys tend to have a chip on their shoulder and pride to hold up and don’t cave as easy lol

      The only guys this doesn’t work on when you’re good at it are unhinged guys who would legitimately psychotically take a swing at a group of cops for telling him to put his hands behind his back, or punch out his own mom or daughter for telling him to wash the dishes, and generally those guys are uncommon and pretty blatantly obvious from a mile away and the bouncers are keeping an eye on them. 99% of guys aren’t this guy lol


      • maldek
        on February 17, 2014 at 9:43 pm
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        @YaReally you may want to reconsider your advice.

        “HEY. Come on now. You know that’s not cool. No, shut up, you’re being a dick and you know it. ”

        If this works in your little corner of the world, that’ great.

        In less SWPL degenerated areas you will reach ..not cool. No, shut up *!Ü*! -> and thats the exact moment when his fist hits your face. Or his boot your manhood and THEN you get a few punches to your throat. (because head normaly moves down after a groin kick). Game over. Wake up in hospital.

        In even less civilised areas, like south america/parts of eastern europe/russia you will not wake up at all. You will not just get beaten, but stabbed or point black shot then thrown out and left on the street bleeding.

        “99% of guys aren’t this guy lol”

        These guys are 80% of people in russia, romania, venezuela, brazil, argentina etc – you need to travel some more m8. Take care.


        • YaReally
          on February 18, 2014 at 11:44 am
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          Skip to 2:10 in this vid:

          This guy won’t calm down, so at 1:45 he builds social pressure by appealing to the crowd around them…sure he looked like a bitch, but that guy would’ve caved his head in if he got up in the guy’s grill to show he’s willing to fight:

          Watch some vids on “verbal judo”:

          People respond to authority. Calm assertive breaking-rapport tonality + alpha body language + completely solid frame that a fight isn’t going to happen + social pressure = people falling into your frame. It’s instinct/psychology.

          That’s why cops aren’t taught to just barge in guns blazing in a potentially violent situation. That’ll escalate things. They’re taught to use a dominant frame and various psychological tactics to calm the situation down first because most situations can be easily calmed down by a strong frame.

          Hell, why do you think there are hostage situation negotiators in the police force? To talk a chaotic situation down.

          The catch is that if you don’t do it with 100% belief, the other guy will sense that weakness and you can get into a confrontation. But if you do, they fall in line because they’re reacting on instinct.

          You don’t have to believe me. You could always go out to shit-hole dive-bars and hit on the girlfriends of scary fuckers and then try it out for yourself, the same way I did when I was starting out. :P


          • YaReally
            on February 18, 2014 at 5:43 pm
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            This is another great video on verbal judo. I use a lot of this, but I learned it through pickup experience VS arresting people lol The stage he calls “giving options” and “how can you give him a way to save face” is what I call stuff like “extending an olive branch” or “pace his reality and put him on a better path”…a lot of this would be rephrased into natural social conversation instead of cop-talk but the concepts/principles work the same:


          • YaReally
            on February 21, 2014 at 9:12 am
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            @Matt

            “Grannon further counsels to initiate a “pre-emptive strike” in some circumstances.”

            Yes, because he’s talking to cops who deal with violent situations they can’t just walk away from. He’s not talking to some 5’8″ dude in a bar who made out with a girl and accidentally pissed off her boyfriend, or some dude in a bar getting tooled by another dude (aka something completely pointless and not worth fighting over).

            I thought the difference was obvious but I guess I have to hold your hand through everything as usual lol


  • YaReally
    on February 17, 2014 at 11:38 am
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    Solid. Massive props for turning your life around and getting onto a better path. Keep approaching, but also feel free to do what you did and chill with your bartender buddy and flirt with girls that come up for drinks…that’s totally valid, and right now you want to collect as many “talking to girls I don’t know isn’t a big deal and won’t result in the world ending” reference experiences as possible, any way you can get them. A lot of cold approach game is just for hobbyists who want to show off or push themselves…you could get laid perfectly fine just running game on girls that come up for a drink beside you. When I’m out solo and having an off night where I’m just out of it, I’ll usually sit/stand at the bar and chat with the bartender and do what you did, just cheersing and joking around with anyone who comes into my little sphere lol I joke to the bartender “sorry, I’m gonna scare off all the girls that come up here lol” and just tip decent if I don’t know the barteder personally, since I’m taking up space that paying customers could use.

    Ditch the fighting mentality. That chick won’t suck your dick even if you kicked all those guys’ asses. At best you win and get banned from the bar and lose access to a venue that could help you improve your sex life for the rest of your life and risk some kind of legal charges that fuck you over and add stress to your life. One of my best buds is an amateur MMA fighter and he used to scrap at bars all the time cause he likes it, but now he looks at it like those guys aren’t worth his time…of COURSE he can kick their asses, they’re just dipshit bar dudes. He fights REAL fighters in the ring that are a challenge instead of wasting his skills on some bar shits lol and he’s right, those guys aren’t worth your time. You should be embarrassed to give them that much importance that your even waste a swing on them lol. They’re like children, you don’t have to defend your honor and not back down from a 5yo calling you a poopy-head.

    But hey, you’re an adult you can do what you want. Consider that there’s going to be a time in your life where you can’t just spring into your BJJ (maybe you’re too old, maybe there’s too many guys, maybe you have your future wife and children with you, etc) and being able to calm a situation down and befriend the other guys or at least walk away without a conflict, could be a useful skillset to have experience with.

    Just don’t get into a fight around me (metaphorically), because I will have the bouncers throw them AND you out, because the bouncers like me, their job is to keep the enviro safe for the customers, and neither of us wants you guys and your dick-swinging competition to ruin other people’s night.

    aka GTFO of my club, you guys can suck eachother’s dicks in the parking lot outside while the girls and I have fun inside lol

    Anyway, that said, like I say massive props for taking action. Keep it up and your life 5 years from now will be something you never could’ve dreamed of a year ago.


    • Matthew King
      on February 17, 2014 at 11:52 am
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      Ditch the fighting mentality. That chick won’t suck your dick even if you kicked all those guys’ asses.

      Negative. Strive for more than fellatio in your life. That chick and a hundred more will suck your dick on the way to greater things, things which you have experienced and your online insta-adviser has not: the ability to dominate men as well as women — or dominating men as a means to dominating women with little added effort. These matters are not in the realm of his experience, so he has no time for anything but the hard-sell.

      Zen master: when you focus too hard on catching the ball, you drop the ball. If your ultimate goal is to get your dick sucked, you will transmit your neediness in every expression and in every gesture. Focus on striding perfectly under the thrown ball and cradle-catching it rather than diving and clenching and clutching. Let the beej come to you.


      • YaReally
        on February 17, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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        Bla bla bla, keep reading those comic books for your lessons on manhood lol


        • darkhorse
          on February 17, 2014 at 1:47 pm
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          @YaReally

          Was telling one of my fuck buddies some interesting sex stuff I did with my main girl over the weekend. She asked me to send pics over. Curious if you’ve experienced this and what a request like this is about. Guessing she wants to compare herself to the other girl?

          I’m not going to do it because sending the FB a copy is a violation of the other woman’s privacy.Don’t want her picture in the hands of another girl. In these situations do you use these moments to define boundaries, “I can’t show you that, and I don’t want see a picture of your boyfriend, remember we’re just having fun babe.”

          Also, when a girl in a relationship has ASD and meets up, do you find that casually talking about banging other girls is a good move or bad move? Does is it get the proverbial competitive juices flowing or amplify the ASD that much more?


          • YaReally
            on February 18, 2014 at 6:41 am
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            “I’m not going to do it because sending the FB a copy is a violation of the other woman’s privacy.”

            Yup. Don’t do it, for this reason. Part of why my FBs send me sexy shit and tell me their fantasies and make sex vids with me etc is because they trust me not to violate their privacy. Also if you did it you would also be telling this girl that you will happily violate HER privacy too. She doesn’t need to see any pics, not even you holding your phone up for her.

            Often I’ll say “no, you might know her.” lol

            “Don’t want her picture in the hands of another girl.”

            Yup. That would be bad. There is NO benefit to you in this situation…only possible downsides.

            “In these situations do you use these moments to define boundaries, “I can’t show you that, and I don’t want see a picture of your boyfriend, remember we’re just having fun babe.””

            Yup, this is a boundary thing, but I would say stuff like “no. I don’t show off pics that girls send me.” Or joke around that a gentleman doesn’t kiss & tell depending on how annoying she is about it. If she won’t drop it I’ll go more serious with an “I told you no. If you’re going to keep asking, this conversation is over.” and if she keeps going then you Soft Next total radio silence for a week and that should correct the behavior.

            “Also, when a girl in a relationship has ASD and meets up, do you find that casually talking about banging other girls is a good move or bad move? Does is it get the proverbial competitive juices flowing or amplify the ASD that much more?”

            It depends entirely on the girl, wish there was a consistent answer. Like it ultimately comes down to WHY does she have ASD? It generally comes down to two categories: either she’s worried you only want her for sex so she’s nervous to bang because she has some feelings for you (she could be prepping/viewing you as her next monkey branch to swing to when she breaks up, this is why I purposely set an anti-provider frame where she thinks I would be a shitty boyfriend and I don’t see her often enough for those feelings to build etc), or it’s the opposite and she’s got ASD because she just wants something casual and thinks you’ll fall in love with her and cause her drama and fuck her relationship up etc.

            If it’s the former, then less talking about other girls. If it’s the latter, then more talking about other girls. But you’ll have to figure out which it is based on your knowledge of the situation.


        • Matthew King
          on February 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm
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          Spoken like a feminist, who thinks honor belongs to the realm of comic books. You teach hard-up men to be pussies — or even gay — to get pussy. Your victims shouldn’t have to suffer through your one-size-fits-all, short-man theory of retreat before they realize there doesn’t have to be a trade-off.

          You should be asking him how many nights he spent in jail, how many bars he’s been kicked out of, how many felonies are on his record. You are clearly out of your depth, and rather than citing phantom “friends” who happen to always comport with your rigid policies (If you don’t eliminate the urge to fight, you will have to suck cock in the parking lot!!!), try admitting your ignorance and a willingness to learn from others up-front, especially from students who come from different places than you do.

          As a bonus, you will then be able to dispense with the LOLs and “hey I’m just a chill easygoing dude” tryhardery in these spaces, which you use to compensate for your ideological rigor mortis.

          Quick, who wrote this just three days ago?

          13. Teach him to throw a punch, and take a punch. If Dad can’t do it, find a male relative who can. …

          15. Teach him to hunt, not just animals, but also humans. This is the darkest of my advice, but it’s invaluable. He should know what it feels like to be aggressive, to initiate conflict. …

          I advised your victim to parlay a skill he already has into the development of a skill he doesn’t. You, as usual, repeated the same cookie-cutter dogmatic advice to avoid conflict because escalating with men doesn’t work for undersized clowns like you, and therefore you can’t imagine how it can work for anyone. You are an anecdotalist, not a teacher. Your method is to encourage desperately seeking betas to become you rather than figuring out a way they can play to their strengths.

          So you see every incident with a potential for violence as the inevitability of a felony, cops coming, getting thrown out. Whereas these situations are more often defused by showing one’s readiness to fight rather than trying to worm out of it with faggotty verbal theatrics. Not every signal of the ability to defend oneself proceeds from hotheadedness.

          Your advice-by-anecdotes is a centimeter thick, and no matter how many you accumulate, you still draw the wrong lessons from them. “Never fight!!!” says the divorced mommy to her precious little boy, and the adult, still a half-pint, remembers.


          • YaReally
            on February 18, 2014 at 7:11 am
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            Tell me more about this honor thing. Be sure to keep watching thru to 1:10 in this vid:

            Everybody thinks they’ll be the guy standing at the end. Nobody expects to be the guy on the ground. This isn’t one of your John Wayne cowboy movies where two guys square off outside a bar with fisticuffs and when one guy goes down the crowd cheers and they shake hands and have a beer together after, having earned a newfound respect for eachother, as the credits roll.

            This is 2014. Sure, squaring off with the guy might gain his respect…still his buddy suckerpunches you from behind cause you were busy locking eyes with the first guy, and in the confusion someone smacks a bottle across the back of your skull. Or you get a bit tipsy one night and one of those guys remembers you and you get jumped while you’re taking a piss in an alley after last call. Or you beat the shit out of one guy and his buddies run to their car to grab knives, bats, a gun, etc because they’re not going to go “good show, sir! I would like to challenge you to a round of fisticuffs next! No hitting below the belt, do we agree, my good man?”

            And nobody is jumping in to stop them, just like no one in that video is jumping in to try to stop this dude from bashing this unconscious guy’s head in, because no one wants to be the next victim.

            I’ve watched a random guy in real life get curb-stomped (dude stomped his head into the ground full-force), tons of sucker-punches, saw one get chased down and stabbed in the gut with a knife, been across the street when a dude fired a gun into the crowd etc. this is the shit you see when you actually go out. I’m sure knowing some BJJ is super, except the guy won’t stop when you tap out, and while you’re wrapped around his back choking him out, his buddy you didn’t even realize was with him is boot-stomping your head or running a knife thru your side. And that’s if you get fucked…maybe you win and as the guy falls down he cracks his head on the pavement and dies, and now you’re on a dozen cell phone vids with the cameraman shouting “worldstar” while you plead “I didn’t MEAN to” to a jury. And that doesn’t even afford his drunk Snookie jumping in to claw at your eyes and put you in a position where you have to legit defend yourself and smack a chick down in front of a crowd of drunk white knights who will instantly turn against you for it.

            Sure, this doesn’t happen in every fight. But it’s not that uncommon to see stuff along these lines when you’re out 3-5 nights a week around testosterone fueled sexually frustrated drunk guys. And I’d prefer not to be the case where it does happen, and to advise other guys not to chance that for some gay notion of “this retarded guy who means absolutely nothing to me might think I’m a pussy if I step down bro!!! I gotta defend my honor!!!” I expect to do a lot with my life, not have it end in some meaningless bar fight.

            But no, hey, tell me again about how things work in your fantasy world. Because I sure wouldn’t want to be called “just like a feminist” by a retard on the Internet OMGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!111

            Every guy has 2 delusions:

            1) “if the chips were down, if I REALLY needed to, I could win the fight”

            And 2) “if I REALLY wanted to, I could pick up that hot girl at the bar”

            Both are generally revealed to be bullshit in the cold hard face of reality over a long timeline.


          • YaReally
            on February 18, 2014 at 12:04 pm
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            @CGS
            “I don’t know where you go out, but the scenarios you described are quite uncommon in SWPL territory. Those sorts of things happen in the seedier areas of town.”

            I go out everywhere. I spent a few years when I was first starting out in a lot of shit-hole dive bars with bikers and drug dealers and gangs and shit, and I was trying to hit on their women lol Now I try to stick to the nicer places, but I’m not a threatening looking guy so a lot of dudes like to have a go at me because they think I’ll be a pushover and now that UFC/MMA is popular, everyone fancies themselves a badass and is eager to throw down, esp in an 18-25yo nightclub on UFC night when everyone is jacked on testosterone and adrenaline from watching the fights.

            “If you find yourself in the latter situation, you have made a serious error in judgement.”

            Agreed, avoiding the situation entirely is the best bet. Most guys are stupid and not paying attention to potentially bad situations (usually ’cause they’re drunk). But when you go out solo attempting to hit on girls and know you’re going to run into boyfriends and AMOGs sooner or later, you learn to be very aware of what’s going on around you.

            “Firstly, you put yourself in an environment where you are not a high value male. Secondly, you are not in the majority.”

            ehhh, this isn’t that big a deal if you have social skills. I routinely go to environments where I don’t “belong” (non-white clubs, “themed” clubs (cowboy bars with legit rough-n-tumble cowboys, biker bars, goth bars, etc.), old people bars, young people bars, rich bars, dive-bars, etc.), just because I go out a lot and I have a variety of social circles now so a lot of nights I’m the odd man out. But I have the social skills to be the one guy in a suit in a cowboy bar that they all approve of, or the one guy in a t-shirt and jeans in a high-end bar that they all approve of. You get tested a lot more, but all the AMOG psyche tactical stuff usually diffuses that and wins them over…I don’t even really think about it now.

            “However, if one of them decides that their entertainment/”AMOGing” will come at your expense and initiates some form aggressive dialog then you should surely escalate the situation to the point of calling his bluff.”

            lol what? No, that’s retarded. You’re only doing that because your ego took a hit and you’re trying to save face. If anything I agree and amplify. Work the crowd, throw girls at him, there’s all sorts of stuff you can do. It’s retarded and weak to allow yourself to fall into his frame of “let’s you and me fight”.

            ‘It sounds to me like you enjoy needling at guys in social settings to establish your “AMOG” status.”

            Nope. I befriend everyone, unless they start it, and then I snuff it out fast and offer them an olive branch so we can be friends. A lot of guys end up buying me drinks because they end up feeling stupid for trying to have a go at me when I don’t react to their “monkey dance” (google it).

            “That is a recipe for getting your teeth kicked down your neck.”

            People keep telling me that, and yet no one has ever taken a swing at me. I would put my experience up against uncalibrated armchair theorists with less social experience than me any day.

            “To a natural, you’re the passive aggressive guy that hits on the chicks we’re talking to. The combination of persistence and lack of investment will usually get us to leave because there are others to talk to that don’t involve being around somebody who cannot cede any amount of control in a social situation.”

            You’re just painting me as a cartoon character of the type of guy you hate right now. You’re picturing the obnoxious guy who won’t let anyone else talk and try-hardly attempts to dominate every interaction. That’s not what I advocate at all. I always attempt to befriend people around me, even the ones who hassle me.

            “However, if we are out with a girl with whom we have some investment, you will be getting swirlied in the bathroom or beaten like a rented mule because you thought you could outwit the situation when the only play on your part was to move along.”

            Oh of course. And you would totally punch my face in bro!!! I bet you’ll wear an Afflication shirt while you do it so I know you’re a total badass lol The reality is that you won’t do shit, because she’ll choose me over you and you will act like big vaginas who won’t hit me because she doesn’t want you to. You can’t even imagine how many times I’ve diffused this kind of thing lol You talk a huge game, like all Naturals do, but in the moment your default instincts will take over and you’ll react the same way they all do. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

            “Perhaps you have already learned this lesson and know when to fold.”

            Never had a single swing taken at me, but been in plenty of situs where, if I was an idiot, I would have.

            “But, by failing to acknowledge it you are setting people up for a hard lesson that will likely leave them wondering where your advice failed them and what else you have not mentioned.”

            I don’t advocate picking a fight. I advocate if, the potential for a fight is there, attempt to de-escalate it first, instead of escalating it to save face. Very few fights, especially in a bar, actually HAVE to happen. It’s stupid people getting sucked into the “monkey dance” with other stupid people.

            “However you fail to realize that acceptable social behaviors are only followed because disobeying them and devolving the situation has been disincentivized. Once the disincentives no longer outweigh the incentives, ass-kickings will commence.”

            Agreed. That’s why you learn how to increase the disincentives. You might want to punch me, but when there’s 3 girls standing in front of me telling you “leave him alone!! we LIKE him!!” and a bouncer I’ve befriended earlier watching you like a hawk, you’re probably not going to. I try the easiest route first, and if you don’t back down then I increase the disincentives until you do. It’s a simple concept, but requires social skills, awareness, and calibration to actually execute.


          • YaReally
            on February 18, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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            @CGS

            Everything Scray said.

            Your problem is that you’re imagining 1) a low-value guy approaching, and 2) that that low-value guy is looking to TAKE value from your group, to “use” your women, and to “tool” you.

            Imagine your life-long role-model is at the bar. Whoever you look up to. Or hell, say your group just attended some fucking epic concert and the lead singer of the band comes over to say hi to your group and your girls are going “OMG!!!” with smiles on their face and your bros are going “man that was a sick show, can I get your autograph?” because a legend is coming over to chill with your group…are you going to put your arm around him and “politely ask him to leave”? No, because he’s bringing value to your group. You would have to be a complete social retard to tell him to leave lol…and I mean, that’s possible, but you don’t seem like an idiot, you’re just picturing the worst-case scenario.

            You’re doing the same thing girls do when they’re asked if a guy touches them at the bar without permission, is that attractive? They picture some low-value creeper sneaking out of the shadows to cop a feel and go “omg no I would hate that, men should always ask permission, I would spray Mace in his face and call the cops immediately if he laid a finger on me!!!” Meanwhile when the guy is high-value and offering value and smoothly approaches and slides an arm around the small of her back, she melts.

            The girls in your group have seen me with hot waitresses running up to hug me, bouncers shaking my hand, groups of people laughing at the shit I’m saying as I talk to them, girls dancing with me, some girl making out with me, and as I pass your group I drop some fun comment to the less-intense guys in your group that makes them laugh or hell, I’ll bring another girl and introduce her to them, or bring an entire SET of girls and introduce them all to your boys (or do you all stand around stone-faced staring every other guy in the bar down 24/7 because they’re all enemies to you…I’m sure your girls are having the time of their lives hanging with your group if that’s the case lol) and your girls grab me to ask me questions and invite me into your group because they’ve been wondering who I am.

            Hell, I might even grab a girl from another set and roll up with her on my arm. Are you going to pull the two of us aside while she’s all bubbly and smiling and in the middle of complimenting your girls on their outfit while they all girl-five eachother, to tell us both to fuck off? lol you wouldn’t do shit, because we’re bringing value to your group and I don’t even care about the outcome: I don’t need your girls, there are 100 other girls in the bar, all I’m doing is being social and friendly and fun, spreading good vibes to everyone around me…and guess what, your girls LIKE fun, and are drawn to it lol

            You are actually the easiest type of guy to disarm because you wear your intent on your sleeve and are predictable as fuck. All it would take is one stone-faced stare at me that I catch out of the corner of my eye to tell me “this is a guy who’s scared I’m going to try to take his girls”. I would disarm you by talking about my girlfriend, maybe introduce a random girl as my girlfriend (I told her to play along and she did, because roleplaying is fun and remember what I said before about girls liking fun? lol) so you’d think I wasn’t after your girls, and then on top of it I’d shoot the shit with your buddies and win at least one of them over, ignoring your girls completely to help re-enforce to you that I’m not after them…but of course, your girls will be curious about me and start asking me questions.

            Quite frankly, you’re the type of guy who usually ends up buying me a beer and thinking “this guy’s alright!”

            As far as your “I’m a super cool ninja who’s going to stalk you” shit goes, I’m fully aware of where you are at all times. You’re not the only one with a mental radar…there will ALWAYS be a dozen witnesses around me, even if I went for a smoke or to the pisser, the second I notice that little stone-faced glare in my peripheral vision. :)

            I’m not saying you’re dumb, because you type well and shit, and I know you have a very clear mental image of how this would all go down and with a low-value guy, ya, it probably does go down exactly like that…but I don’t think you’ve run into many high-value guys before and I don’t think you have the reference experiences to understand what I’m talking about, in the same way some chick on the street would tell an interviewer that no way would she fall for game or would negs work on her or would she approve of kino etc…she doesn’t have the reference experiences to envision those things coming from a guy she LIKES and who’s giving value, so she pictures the worst-case scenario and builds from there like you are.

            Again this isn’t theory lol It’s like Scray says “Now that I usually meet conditions A) and B) where I’m at…at least A), what happens is that at least one or two of your male friends will like me.” Field Experience teaches that this shit works consistently…it won’t for the low-value newbie, who should just bail entirely on the situation and run away because it’s a no-win for him to fight and he doesn’t have the value/calibration yet to avoid the fight, but the more a guy goes out and applies this stuff, the better they get, and the more they see barriers dropping the way Scray is.


          • YaReally
            on February 19, 2014 at 1:00 am
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            @Matt
            “1) They are spinning their experiences into tall tales or outright lies, knowing they cannot be confirmed, and they are portraying “verbal judo” as more effective in defusing situations than it is, conveniently leaving out the times it blew up in their face. (“A lot of the potential fights I’ve diffused [sic] basically looked like I’m a principal scolding a student lol…”)”

            lol ok Matt, please share with us your first-hand experiences with being a short guy in a bar with a drunk jacked angry guy trying to pick a fight that you personally defused by escalating things with him.

            I’m sure we’d all love to hear your first-hand field reports on this subject you’re advising on. You know, not just Shakespeare quotes and cute “everyones afraid of little guys cause they’re more intense and my batman comic books told me big guys are slower and since I train in 10 martial arts I’ll ninja block his slow punch and touch him in the secret ninja death spot” platitudes. Real, first-hand situations where you’ve applied the advice you’re spewing.

            Because I’m happy to share MY first-hand experiences. I have a lot of them from, you know, going out and being in these situations.

            @CGS
            I fully agree that there are all sorts of ways to fuck a guy up. But the point we’re trying to get across is that when it goes down in reality, by guys who know what they’re doing and who legit offer value and good vibes and are calibrated etc (ie – not the average value-sucking uncalibrated leech which is who you’ve probably been approached by before), you won’t WANT to do that to them.

            You aren’t going to plan to break Brad Pitt’s legs in an alley at last call because he made your group laugh and one of your girls flirted with him and demanded he takes her number after he actively tells her no until she insists. You’re going to go “haha this guy is alright, that was a fun night!”

            No ones saying you’re not capable of doing some damage. We’re saying our skillset is designed and trained to create a situation where you will actively CHOOSE not to do said damage or even trigger the mindset in you where doing said damage is an option that crosses your mind and, more likely, you’ll end up doing the opposite and actually have our back if someone else messes with us because you and your group like us.


          • YaReally
            on February 21, 2014 at 9:08 am
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            @Matt

            So what you’re saying is “no, I don’t have first-hand experience, but my armchair opinion is really really strong so it should be taken as valid!!” Same ol’ routine. I’m sure NASA scientists are banging on your door to hear your armchair opinions on how the next space shuttle should be designed, I mean you don’t need experience or anything lol

            Points for consistency at least!



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blotter
on February 16, 2014 at 1:35 am
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no relevance to the blog post. but i feel like sharing shit.

I posted a few months ago gushing thanks or YaReally (and by extension, CH, rational male, etc) for the red pill enlightenment. Im a gamma male but I swore I was going to start working everyday to improve. I wasnt cold opening yet but I was trying to run game on all the girls I work with. I got a cute 18 yr old to go on a day date with me before work (only way i could do anything with her) and got a kiss, controlled the frame perfectly up until that, then i got bad oneitis and i think i failed some really obvious shit tests. had a lot of drama that lowered my value at work a bit, realized why they say not to shit where you eat, but i recovered. i have a really strong frame at work somehow, i socialy dominate everyone there. i just suck eerywhere else.

so anyway i finally went out tonight and committed to cold opening. and i did it. i stilll stood at the bar and drank a lot with a buddy, but im also cool with the bartenders, one of my friends tends bar there, so i have some social proof, and i opened every girl that came near me lol. not quite the same as APPROACHING per se, but it works. i try to get girls to buy me drinks, mock and say how dare you when they refuse, then get names, redirect the convo and go from there. i met a girl that was telling me all kinds of personal shit, big dish bowl eyes, like 3 or 4 dudes were orbiting around us while i had that bubble effect going, some dude appeared and tried to amog me and she introduced him as her “best friend” and i punked him and kept our convo going, then i lost it when my buddy distracted me to get another round.

so i felt really great from that, it fizzled out but my mindset was right, taking the positive elements from that. the upstairs bar closed so i went down, moved up to the bar next to some blonde, i tried to open her but she blatantly ignored me, really rudely. so i stood at the bar just saying shit in the air like “i know im producing soundwaves that make air that effect ear buds, and im right next to you, so i know you heard me say hi” etc, over and over, and she finally turns to me and gets very hostile, saying leave me alone, etc. 2-3 big muscular dudes swarm me to defend her, and im into bjj/mma so one of my problems is that i ALWAYS get into near fights with guys, cuz i never back down, and instead of that “no fight is going to happen” frame yareally talks about, i just have a “yes, let us please fight” frame cuz i know i can smash bitches lol. so anyway they overwhelm me with social pressure and i finally leave the bar.

i dunno what im posting this for. give me a pat on the back? i just feel really good for finally opening shit, and im learning to not give a fuck. im actually starting to get ADDICTED to that social pressure of making awkward situations. its fucking fun lol


  • Matthew King
    on February 17, 2014 at 10:51 am
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    Good stuff. You’re converting your courage with men (fight) to courage with women (fuck), not the easiest of transitions.

    Reject the “no fight is going to happen” sissy-frame, it engenders unspoken, visceral disrespect. Don’t make a clownish display of yourself, but leverage your physical fortitude among men into the new context of social courage among skirts. It would be tragic for a man who is already comfortable with confrontation to be led astray by “men without chests” who avoid conflict at all costs, including the pussy prize.

    It’s encouraging to see you intuitively develop your own understanding of game. For all the lure of easy trim, game is ultimately about manliness applied to the pick-up. The growing potential of this community hinges on how quickly its vagocentric champions realize game’s utility beyond its most basic application — impressing tipsy-trampy bimbos.

    Matt


    • YaReally
      on February 17, 2014 at 12:01 pm
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      “Reject the “no fight is going to happen” sissy-frame, it engenders unspoken, visceral disrespect.”

      Your problem, because you live in a fantasy world in your basement instead of going out, is that you picture avoiding a fight as ducking and scurrying away into the shadows, hands over your head whimpering “please don’t hurt me, sir!!!” Because that’s what it looks like in cartoons.

      But in reality you can stop fighting with calm authoritative tonality. A lot of the potential fights I’ve diffused basically looked like I’m a principal scolding a student lol friends have asked how I get away with it but it’s just a strong frame and breaking rapport tonality combined with applying massive social pressure, followed by extending an olive branch for him to take to escape the pressure. Sometimes I’ll even lecture the guy “HEY. Come on now. You know that’s not cool. No, shut up, you’re being a dick and you know it. We’re all here to have fun. I know you’re not an asshole, we’re all just drunk. Lets not make this some bullshit dick waving contest.”

      I explain the structure of this handling AMOG stuff somewhere in my archive in a lot more depth but it’s a consistent thing, learned thru experience mostly.

      The thing is that anyone reading this will go “lol whatevs I would knock your block off, my MMA buddy would kill you if you tried to scold him” because they haven’t seen it. But unless your MMA buddy would punch out a cop when the cop tells him to face the wall, he’s going to cave to authoritative voice, the implication of status/power, and a stronger frame than his…it’s just a question of how MUCH of that it’ll take to make him cave and since most guys don’t learn to handle social pressure (the OP eventually ran away due to the social pressure despite his big talk lol), it often doesn’t take much. And it’s easy to leverage more social pressure as you just get girls, staff, the crowd, etc on your side. Comedians are great at this, when a heckler shouts shit out and they rally the crowd on their side they’re just applying social pressure to the heckler…it’s very hard for anyone to hold their position when they’re convinced an entire room full of people are against them.

      Also most big tough guys have never run into someone talking to them this way so when it happens they get a slight shell-shock because I’m not an intimidating looking guy so they’re confused why a guy like me would be so sure of myself. Strongest frame always wins and sucks other people into it. While they’re shell-shocked, since I’m expecting it, I just lead them into a better frame. It’s kind of like a pattern-interrupt in NLP, where you derail someone from their path and give them a new one while they’re short-circuited.

      Again, no one will believe this I’m sure lol cause even the guys who go out probably don’t learn to deal with AMOGs this way, but it would blow their minds to see it and I’ve done it a bunch of times over the years. Again check my archives for details on it. Ironically it’s actually the biggest toughest guys who turn into schoolchildren shuffling their feet like they got their hand caught in the cookie jar when you scold them…the little guys tend to have a chip on their shoulder and pride to hold up and don’t cave as easy lol

      The only guys this doesn’t work on when you’re good at it are unhinged guys who would legitimately psychotically take a swing at a group of cops for telling him to put his hands behind his back, or punch out his own mom or daughter for telling him to wash the dishes, and generally those guys are uncommon and pretty blatantly obvious from a mile away and the bouncers are keeping an eye on them. 99% of guys aren’t this guy lol


    • YaReally
      on February 18, 2014 at 11:44 am
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      Skip to 2:10 in this vid:

      This guy won’t calm down, so at 1:45 he builds social pressure by appealing to the crowd around them…sure he looked like a bitch, but that guy would’ve caved his head in if he got up in the guy’s grill to show he’s willing to fight:

      Watch some vids on “verbal judo”:

      People respond to authority. Calm assertive breaking-rapport tonality + alpha body language + completely solid frame that a fight isn’t going to happen + social pressure = people falling into your frame. It’s instinct/psychology.

      That’s why cops aren’t taught to just barge in guns blazing in a potentially violent situation. That’ll escalate things. They’re taught to use a dominant frame and various psychological tactics to calm the situation down first because most situations can be easily calmed down by a strong frame.

      Hell, why do you think there are hostage situation negotiators in the police force? To talk a chaotic situation down.

      The catch is that if you don’t do it with 100% belief, the other guy will sense that weakness and you can get into a confrontation. But if you do, they fall in line because they’re reacting on instinct.

      You don’t have to believe me. You could always go out to shit-hole dive-bars and hit on the girlfriends of scary fuckers and then try it out for yourself, the same way I did when I was starting out. :P


    • YaReally
      on February 18, 2014 at 5:43 pm
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      This is another great video on verbal judo. I use a lot of this, but I learned it through pickup experience VS arresting people lol The stage he calls “giving options” and “how can you give him a way to save face” is what I call stuff like “extending an olive branch” or “pace his reality and put him on a better path”…a lot of this would be rephrased into natural social conversation instead of cop-talk but the concepts/principles work the same:


    • YaReally
      on February 21, 2014 at 9:12 am
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      @Matt

      “Grannon further counsels to initiate a “pre-emptive strike” in some circumstances.”

      Yes, because he’s talking to cops who deal with violent situations they can’t just walk away from. He’s not talking to some 5’8″ dude in a bar who made out with a girl and accidentally pissed off her boyfriend, or some dude in a bar getting tooled by another dude (aka something completely pointless and not worth fighting over).

      I thought the difference was obvious but I guess I have to hold your hand through everything as usual lol


  • YaReally
    on February 17, 2014 at 11:38 am
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    Solid. Massive props for turning your life around and getting onto a better path. Keep approaching, but also feel free to do what you did and chill with your bartender buddy and flirt with girls that come up for drinks…that’s totally valid, and right now you want to collect as many “talking to girls I don’t know isn’t a big deal and won’t result in the world ending” reference experiences as possible, any way you can get them. A lot of cold approach game is just for hobbyists who want to show off or push themselves…you could get laid perfectly fine just running game on girls that come up for a drink beside you. When I’m out solo and having an off night where I’m just out of it, I’ll usually sit/stand at the bar and chat with the bartender and do what you did, just cheersing and joking around with anyone who comes into my little sphere lol I joke to the bartender “sorry, I’m gonna scare off all the girls that come up here lol” and just tip decent if I don’t know the barteder personally, since I’m taking up space that paying customers could use.

    Ditch the fighting mentality. That chick won’t suck your dick even if you kicked all those guys’ asses. At best you win and get banned from the bar and lose access to a venue that could help you improve your sex life for the rest of your life and risk some kind of legal charges that fuck you over and add stress to your life. One of my best buds is an amateur MMA fighter and he used to scrap at bars all the time cause he likes it, but now he looks at it like those guys aren’t worth his time…of COURSE he can kick their asses, they’re just dipshit bar dudes. He fights REAL fighters in the ring that are a challenge instead of wasting his skills on some bar shits lol and he’s right, those guys aren’t worth your time. You should be embarrassed to give them that much importance that your even waste a swing on them lol. They’re like children, you don’t have to defend your honor and not back down from a 5yo calling you a poopy-head.

    But hey, you’re an adult you can do what you want. Consider that there’s going to be a time in your life where you can’t just spring into your BJJ (maybe you’re too old, maybe there’s too many guys, maybe you have your future wife and children with you, etc) and being able to calm a situation down and befriend the other guys or at least walk away without a conflict, could be a useful skillset to have experience with.

    Just don’t get into a fight around me (metaphorically), because I will have the bouncers throw them AND you out, because the bouncers like me, their job is to keep the enviro safe for the customers, and neither of us wants you guys and your dick-swinging competition to ruin other people’s night.

    aka GTFO of my club, you guys can suck eachother’s dicks in the parking lot outside while the girls and I have fun inside lol

    Anyway, that said, like I say massive props for taking action. Keep it up and your life 5 years from now will be something you never could’ve dreamed of a year ago.


    • YaReally
      on February 17, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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      Bla bla bla, keep reading those comic books for your lessons on manhood lol


    • YaReally
      on February 18, 2014 at 6:41 am
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      @darkhorse

      “I’m not going to do it because sending the FB a copy is a violation of the other woman’s privacy.”

      Yup. Don’t do it, for this reason. Part of why my FBs send me sexy shit and tell me their fantasies and make sex vids with me etc is because they trust me not to violate their privacy. Also if you did it you would also be telling this girl that you will happily violate HER privacy too. She doesn’t need to see any pics, not even you holding your phone up for her.

      Often I’ll say “no, you might know her.” lol

      “Don’t want her picture in the hands of another girl.”

      Yup. That would be bad. There is NO benefit to you in this situation…only possible downsides.

      “In these situations do you use these moments to define boundaries, “I can’t show you that, and I don’t want see a picture of your boyfriend, remember we’re just having fun babe.””

      Yup, this is a boundary thing, but I would say stuff like “no. I don’t show off pics that girls send me.” Or joke around that a gentleman doesn’t kiss & tell depending on how annoying she is about it. If she won’t drop it I’ll go more serious with an “I told you no. If you’re going to keep asking, this conversation is over.” and if she keeps going then you Soft Next total radio silence for a week and that should correct the behavior.

      “Also, when a girl in a relationship has ASD and meets up, do you find that casually talking about banging other girls is a good move or bad move? Does is it get the proverbial competitive juices flowing or amplify the ASD that much more?”

      It depends entirely on the girl, wish there was a consistent answer. Like it ultimately comes down to WHY does she have ASD? It generally comes down to two categories: either she’s worried you only want her for sex so she’s nervous to bang because she has some feelings for you (she could be prepping/viewing you as her next monkey branch to swing to when she breaks up, this is why I purposely set an anti-provider frame where she thinks I would be a shitty boyfriend and I don’t see her often enough for those feelings to build etc), or it’s the opposite and she’s got ASD because she just wants something casual and thinks you’ll fall in love with her and cause her drama and fuck her relationship up etc.

      If it’s the former, then less talking about other girls. If it’s the latter, then more talking about other girls. But you’ll have to figure out which it is based on your knowledge of the situation.


    • YaReally
      on February 18, 2014 at 7:11 am
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      Tell me more about this honor thing. Be sure to keep watching thru to 1:10 in this vid:

      Everybody thinks they’ll be the guy standing at the end. Nobody expects to be the guy on the ground. This isn’t one of your John Wayne cowboy movies where two guys square off outside a bar with fisticuffs and when one guy goes down the crowd cheers and they shake hands and have a beer together after, having earned a newfound respect for eachother, as the credits roll.

      This is 2014. Sure, squaring off with the guy might gain his respect…still his buddy suckerpunches you from behind cause you were busy locking eyes with the first guy, and in the confusion someone smacks a bottle across the back of your skull. Or you get a bit tipsy one night and one of those guys remembers you and you get jumped while you’re taking a piss in an alley after last call. Or you beat the shit out of one guy and his buddies run to their car to grab knives, bats, a gun, etc because they’re not going to go “good show, sir! I would like to challenge you to a round of fisticuffs next! No hitting below the belt, do we agree, my good man?”

      And nobody is jumping in to stop them, just like no one in that video is jumping in to try to stop this dude from bashing this unconscious guy’s head in, because no one wants to be the next victim.

      I’ve watched a random guy in real life get curb-stomped (dude stomped his head into the ground full-force), tons of sucker-punches, saw one get chased down and stabbed in the gut with a knife, been across the street when a dude fired a gun into the crowd etc. this is the shit you see when you actually go out. I’m sure knowing some BJJ is super, except the guy won’t stop when you tap out, and while you’re wrapped around his back choking him out, his buddy you didn’t even realize was with him is boot-stomping your head or running a knife thru your side. And that’s if you get fucked…maybe you win and as the guy falls down he cracks his head on the pavement and dies, and now you’re on a dozen cell phone vids with the cameraman shouting “worldstar” while you plead “I didn’t MEAN to” to a jury. And that doesn’t even afford his drunk Snookie jumping in to claw at your eyes and put you in a position where you have to legit defend yourself and smack a chick down in front of a crowd of drunk white knights who will instantly turn against you for it.

      Sure, this doesn’t happen in every fight. But it’s not that uncommon to see stuff along these lines when you’re out 3-5 nights a week around testosterone fueled sexually frustrated drunk guys. And I’d prefer not to be the case where it does happen, and to advise other guys not to chance that for some gay notion of “this retarded guy who means absolutely nothing to me might think I’m a pussy if I step down bro!!! I gotta defend my honor!!!” I expect to do a lot with my life, not have it end in some meaningless bar fight.

      But no, hey, tell me again about how things work in your fantasy world. Because I sure wouldn’t want to be called “just like a feminist” by a retard on the Internet OMGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!111

      Every guy has 2 delusions:

      1) “if the chips were down, if I REALLY needed to, I could win the fight”

      And 2) “if I REALLY wanted to, I could pick up that hot girl at the bar”

      Both are generally revealed to be bullshit in the cold hard face of reality over a long timeline.


    • YaReally
      on February 18, 2014 at 12:04 pm
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      @CGS
      “I don’t know where you go out, but the scenarios you described are quite uncommon in SWPL territory. Those sorts of things happen in the seedier areas of town.”

      I go out everywhere. I spent a few years when I was first starting out in a lot of shit-hole dive bars with bikers and drug dealers and gangs and shit, and I was trying to hit on their women lol Now I try to stick to the nicer places, but I’m not a threatening looking guy so a lot of dudes like to have a go at me because they think I’ll be a pushover and now that UFC/MMA is popular, everyone fancies themselves a badass and is eager to throw down, esp in an 18-25yo nightclub on UFC night when everyone is jacked on testosterone and adrenaline from watching the fights.

      “If you find yourself in the latter situation, you have made a serious error in judgement.”

      Agreed, avoiding the situation entirely is the best bet. Most guys are stupid and not paying attention to potentially bad situations (usually ’cause they’re drunk). But when you go out solo attempting to hit on girls and know you’re going to run into boyfriends and AMOGs sooner or later, you learn to be very aware of what’s going on around you.

      “Firstly, you put yourself in an environment where you are not a high value male. Secondly, you are not in the majority.”

      ehhh, this isn’t that big a deal if you have social skills. I routinely go to environments where I don’t “belong” (non-white clubs, “themed” clubs (cowboy bars with legit rough-n-tumble cowboys, biker bars, goth bars, etc.), old people bars, young people bars, rich bars, dive-bars, etc.), just because I go out a lot and I have a variety of social circles now so a lot of nights I’m the odd man out. But I have the social skills to be the one guy in a suit in a cowboy bar that they all approve of, or the one guy in a t-shirt and jeans in a high-end bar that they all approve of. You get tested a lot more, but all the AMOG psyche tactical stuff usually diffuses that and wins them over…I don’t even really think about it now.

      “However, if one of them decides that their entertainment/”AMOGing” will come at your expense and initiates some form aggressive dialog then you should surely escalate the situation to the point of calling his bluff.”

      lol what? No, that’s retarded. You’re only doing that because your ego took a hit and you’re trying to save face. If anything I agree and amplify. Work the crowd, throw girls at him, there’s all sorts of stuff you can do. It’s retarded and weak to allow yourself to fall into his frame of “let’s you and me fight”.

      ‘It sounds to me like you enjoy needling at guys in social settings to establish your “AMOG” status.”

      Nope. I befriend everyone, unless they start it, and then I snuff it out fast and offer them an olive branch so we can be friends. A lot of guys end up buying me drinks because they end up feeling stupid for trying to have a go at me when I don’t react to their “monkey dance” (google it).

      “That is a recipe for getting your teeth kicked down your neck.”

      People keep telling me that, and yet no one has ever taken a swing at me. I would put my experience up against uncalibrated armchair theorists with less social experience than me any day.

      “To a natural, you’re the passive aggressive guy that hits on the chicks we’re talking to. The combination of persistence and lack of investment will usually get us to leave because there are others to talk to that don’t involve being around somebody who cannot cede any amount of control in a social situation.”

      You’re just painting me as a cartoon character of the type of guy you hate right now. You’re picturing the obnoxious guy who won’t let anyone else talk and try-hardly attempts to dominate every interaction. That’s not what I advocate at all. I always attempt to befriend people around me, even the ones who hassle me.

      “However, if we are out with a girl with whom we have some investment, you will be getting swirlied in the bathroom or beaten like a rented mule because you thought you could outwit the situation when the only play on your part was to move along.”

      Oh of course. And you would totally punch my face in bro!!! I bet you’ll wear an Afflication shirt while you do it so I know you’re a total badass lol The reality is that you won’t do shit, because she’ll choose me over you and you will act like big vaginas who won’t hit me because she doesn’t want you to. You can’t even imagine how many times I’ve diffused this kind of thing lol You talk a huge game, like all Naturals do, but in the moment your default instincts will take over and you’ll react the same way they all do. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

      “Perhaps you have already learned this lesson and know when to fold.”

      Never had a single swing taken at me, but been in plenty of situs where, if I was an idiot, I would have.

      “But, by failing to acknowledge it you are setting people up for a hard lesson that will likely leave them wondering where your advice failed them and what else you have not mentioned.”

      I don’t advocate picking a fight. I advocate if, the potential for a fight is there, attempt to de-escalate it first, instead of escalating it to save face. Very few fights, especially in a bar, actually HAVE to happen. It’s stupid people getting sucked into the “monkey dance” with other stupid people.

      “However you fail to realize that acceptable social behaviors are only followed because disobeying them and devolving the situation has been disincentivized. Once the disincentives no longer outweigh the incentives, ass-kickings will commence.”

      Agreed. That’s why you learn how to increase the disincentives. You might want to punch me, but when there’s 3 girls standing in front of me telling you “leave him alone!! we LIKE him!!” and a bouncer I’ve befriended earlier watching you like a hawk, you’re probably not going to. I try the easiest route first, and if you don’t back down then I increase the disincentives until you do. It’s a simple concept, but requires social skills, awareness, and calibration to actually execute.


    • YaReally
      on February 18, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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      @CGS

      Everything Scray said.

      Your problem is that you’re imagining 1) a low-value guy approaching, and 2) that that low-value guy is looking to TAKE value from your group, to “use” your women, and to “tool” you.

      Imagine your life-long role-model is at the bar. Whoever you look up to. Or hell, say your group just attended some fucking epic concert and the lead singer of the band comes over to say hi to your group and your girls are going “OMG!!!” with smiles on their face and your bros are going “man that was a sick show, can I get your autograph?” because a legend is coming over to chill with your group…are you going to put your arm around him and “politely ask him to leave”? No, because he’s bringing value to your group. You would have to be a complete social retard to tell him to leave lol…and I mean, that’s possible, but you don’t seem like an idiot, you’re just picturing the worst-case scenario.

      You’re doing the same thing girls do when they’re asked if a guy touches them at the bar without permission, is that attractive? They picture some low-value creeper sneaking out of the shadows to cop a feel and go “omg no I would hate that, men should always ask permission, I would spray Mace in his face and call the cops immediately if he laid a finger on me!!!” Meanwhile when the guy is high-value and offering value and smoothly approaches and slides an arm around the small of her back, she melts.

      The girls in your group have seen me with hot waitresses running up to hug me, bouncers shaking my hand, groups of people laughing at the shit I’m saying as I talk to them, girls dancing with me, some girl making out with me, and as I pass your group I drop some fun comment to the less-intense guys in your group that makes them laugh or hell, I’ll bring another girl and introduce her to them, or bring an entire SET of girls and introduce them all to your boys (or do you all stand around stone-faced staring every other guy in the bar down 24/7 because they’re all enemies to you…I’m sure your girls are having the time of their lives hanging with your group if that’s the case lol) and your girls grab me to ask me questions and invite me into your group because they’ve been wondering who I am.

      Hell, I might even grab a girl from another set and roll up with her on my arm. Are you going to pull the two of us aside while she’s all bubbly and smiling and in the middle of complimenting your girls on their outfit while they all girl-five eachother, to tell us both to fuck off? lol you wouldn’t do shit, because we’re bringing value to your group and I don’t even care about the outcome: I don’t need your girls, there are 100 other girls in the bar, all I’m doing is being social and friendly and fun, spreading good vibes to everyone around me…and guess what, your girls LIKE fun, and are drawn to it lol

      You are actually the easiest type of guy to disarm because you wear your intent on your sleeve and are predictable as fuck. All it would take is one stone-faced stare at me that I catch out of the corner of my eye to tell me “this is a guy who’s scared I’m going to try to take his girls”. I would disarm you by talking about my girlfriend, maybe introduce a random girl as my girlfriend (I told her to play along and she did, because roleplaying is fun and remember what I said before about girls liking fun? lol) so you’d think I wasn’t after your girls, and then on top of it I’d shoot the shit with your buddies and win at least one of them over, ignoring your girls completely to help re-enforce to you that I’m not after them…but of course, your girls will be curious about me and start asking me questions.

      Quite frankly, you’re the type of guy who usually ends up buying me a beer and thinking “this guy’s alright!”

      As far as your “I’m a super cool ninja who’s going to stalk you” shit goes, I’m fully aware of where you are at all times. You’re not the only one with a mental radar…there will ALWAYS be a dozen witnesses around me, even if I went for a smoke or to the pisser, the second I notice that little stone-faced glare in my peripheral vision. :)

      I’m not saying you’re dumb, because you type well and shit, and I know you have a very clear mental image of how this would all go down and with a low-value guy, ya, it probably does go down exactly like that…but I don’t think you’ve run into many high-value guys before and I don’t think you have the reference experiences to understand what I’m talking about, in the same way some chick on the street would tell an interviewer that no way would she fall for game or would negs work on her or would she approve of kino etc…she doesn’t have the reference experiences to envision those things coming from a guy she LIKES and who’s giving value, so she pictures the worst-case scenario and builds from there like you are.

      Again this isn’t theory lol It’s like Scray says “Now that I usually meet conditions A) and B) where I’m at…at least A), what happens is that at least one or two of your male friends will like me.” Field Experience teaches that this shit works consistently…it won’t for the low-value newbie, who should just bail entirely on the situation and run away because it’s a no-win for him to fight and he doesn’t have the value/calibration yet to avoid the fight, but the more a guy goes out and applies this stuff, the better they get, and the more they see barriers dropping the way Scray is.


    • YaReally
      on February 19, 2014 at 1:00 am
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      @Matt
      “1) They are spinning their experiences into tall tales or outright lies, knowing they cannot be confirmed, and they are portraying “verbal judo” as more effective in defusing situations than it is, conveniently leaving out the times it blew up in their face. (“A lot of the potential fights I’ve diffused [sic] basically looked like I’m a principal scolding a student lol…”)”

      lol ok Matt, please share with us your first-hand experiences with being a short guy in a bar with a drunk jacked angry guy trying to pick a fight that you personally defused by escalating things with him.

      I’m sure we’d all love to hear your first-hand field reports on this subject you’re advising on. You know, not just Shakespeare quotes and cute “everyones afraid of little guys cause they’re more intense and my batman comic books told me big guys are slower and since I train in 10 martial arts I’ll ninja block his slow punch and touch him in the secret ninja death spot” platitudes. Real, first-hand situations where you’ve applied the advice you’re spewing.

      Because I’m happy to share MY first-hand experiences. I have a lot of them from, you know, going out and being in these situations.

      @CGS
      I fully agree that there are all sorts of ways to fuck a guy up. But the point we’re trying to get across is that when it goes down in reality, by guys who know what they’re doing and who legit offer value and good vibes and are calibrated etc (ie – not the average value-sucking uncalibrated leech which is who you’ve probably been approached by before), you won’t WANT to do that to them.

      You aren’t going to plan to break Brad Pitt’s legs in an alley at last call because he made your group laugh and one of your girls flirted with him and demanded he takes her number after he actively tells her no until she insists. You’re going to go “haha this guy is alright, that was a fun night!”

      No ones saying you’re not capable of doing some damage. We’re saying our skillset is designed and trained to create a situation where you will actively CHOOSE not to do said damage or even trigger the mindset in you where doing said damage is an option that crosses your mind and, more likely, you’ll end up doing the opposite and actually have our back if someone else messes with us because you and your group like us.


    • YaReally
      on February 21, 2014 at 9:08 am
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      @Matt

      So what you’re saying is “no, I don’t have first-hand experience, but my armchair opinion is really really strong so it should be taken as valid!!” Same ol’ routine. I’m sure NASA scientists are banging on your door to hear your armchair opinions on how the next space shuttle should be designed, I mean you don’t need experience or anything lol

      Points for consistency at least!



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The Burninator
on February 11, 2014 at 1:49 pm
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“Don’t be mad; I was just kidding!”

Ugh, good call on this one. Might as well profess your undying adoration for her and start building that pedestal out of good, solid oak right then and there.

If she’s angry (or more usually, pretending to be angry) a simple: “Would a Mydol help?” with genuine concern (aka feigned concern) suffices.

Two reactions to that. Stomps off pissed and who cares, or punches you on the shoulder and calls you a jerk/asshole (in the good way). Either way is a win because frankly my tolerance for the anger of women has about run its course and if she’s going to be fuming about something then I have no time left to care about it at this point in life.


  • Buck Futter
    on February 11, 2014 at 2:47 pm
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    I’ve had some luck using something like this. “Don’t be mad. I was just kidding.” Delivered in one of two ways:
    Absolutely deadpan. Monotone. No emotion. Pokerface.

    or

    Over-the-top joyous happy schmo-face with lots of energy.

    The key is to deliver the message with the tone “I’m lying to you, because I’m a liar.”

    So, a question: I have a lot of success if I maintain the frame “I’m lying to you about everything”. Not “I’m lying to impress you”, but “I’m lying because I don’t give two shits about whether you live or die and and I don’t care whether you know or not”.

    What’s going on there? Outcome independence? Mysterious-guy? I haven’t really internalized game yet. I just go with what seems to work.


    • YaReally
      on February 11, 2014 at 6:13 pm
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      @Buck Futter

      That’s called “self-amusement”. You’re doing shit because it’s entertaining to you with no fucks given about the outcome. I say/do a lot of stuff that should logically get me blown out of set, but because I’m self-amusing, it ends up building attraction.



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The Burninator
on February 11, 2014 at 1:49 pm
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“Don’t be mad; I was just kidding!”

Ugh, good call on this one. Might as well profess your undying adoration for her and start building that pedestal out of good, solid oak right then and there.

If she’s angry (or more usually, pretending to be angry) a simple: “Would a Mydol help?” with genuine concern (aka feigned concern) suffices.

Two reactions to that. Stomps off pissed and who cares, or punches you on the shoulder and calls you a jerk/asshole (in the good way). Either way is a win because frankly my tolerance for the anger of women has about run its course and if she’s going to be fuming about something then I have no time left to care about it at this point in life.


  • Buck Futter
    on February 11, 2014 at 2:47 pm
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    I’ve had some luck using something like this. “Don’t be mad. I was just kidding.” Delivered in one of two ways:
    Absolutely deadpan. Monotone. No emotion. Pokerface.

    or

    Over-the-top joyous happy schmo-face with lots of energy.

    The key is to deliver the message with the tone “I’m lying to you, because I’m a liar.”

    So, a question: I have a lot of success if I maintain the frame “I’m lying to you about everything”. Not “I’m lying to impress you”, but “I’m lying because I don’t give two shits about whether you live or die and and I don’t care whether you know or not”.

    What’s going on there? Outcome independence? Mysterious-guy? I haven’t really internalized game yet. I just go with what seems to work.


    • YaReally
      on February 11, 2014 at 6:13 pm
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      @Buck Futter

      That’s called “self-amusement”. You’re doing shit because it’s entertaining to you with no fucks given about the outcome. I say/do a lot of stuff that should logically get me blown out of set, but because I’m self-amusing, it ends up building attraction.



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walawala
on February 12, 2014 at 3:30 am
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Church girl I’m banging now shit-tested me. She wanted to go out Valentine’s Day and I was busy so arranged to meet Thursday which she agreed to.

She then sent a late late text saying Thursday wouldn’t work because she has plans and since I was not free Friday what could we do.

Me: hmmmm making plans then canceling what am I to think about that?

This was a kind of experiment. Based on previous experiences with my now ex the soft-nexting and going off the grid didn’t work so well when she canceled dates. Neither did direct confrontation.

So this idea here of throwing out a question to get her hamster spinning was something I thought I’d throw out.

her response was interesting…I got a reply in 2 seconds:

Her: nahhhhhhh I didn’t mean it I want to make more plans with you
bunch of sad face icons. then qualification about why she couldn’t come etc etc
then “don’t be mad I’m so innocent”

I waited like 6 hours and replied with some non-sequitor but no mention of a reschedule.

She proposed rescheduling, I said Wednesday and she agreed.

This: ‘you did xxx what am I to think?” Worked.

I think also context is important. This is not a bar chick. This is your typical entitled princess type chick who isn’t so experienced with blokes, fairly sexy and attractive but used to guys pedestalizing or caving in to her.

Setting the frame early: ie “I’m no pushover” was a learning from past situations.

I leave it to you guys to chime in.


  • Amy
    on February 12, 2014 at 9:29 am
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    She was trying to punish you for not making plans with her on Valentine’s Day. But she caved.


    • walawala
      on February 12, 2014 at 8:55 pm
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      @Amy Yes.


      • YaReally
        on February 13, 2014 at 8:36 am
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        This. You did good by not falling into her frame and failing the shit-test. Props!

        Her offering a reschedule is a huge ioi. A shitty flake is when they flake and don’t apologize, that girl isn’t interested and is probably a waste of time or needs some more high-octane emotional game played on her. Slightly better is when they flake but apologize, that girl is interested but needs some work but should still be do-able. The best is when they flake, apologize, and offer a reschedule. That’s pretty much on like donkey kong.



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walawala
on February 12, 2014 at 3:30 am
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Church girl I’m banging now shit-tested me. She wanted to go out Valentine’s Day and I was busy so arranged to meet Thursday which she agreed to.

She then sent a late late text saying Thursday wouldn’t work because she has plans and since I was not free Friday what could we do.

Me: hmmmm making plans then canceling what am I to think about that?

This was a kind of experiment. Based on previous experiences with my now ex the soft-nexting and going off the grid didn’t work so well when she canceled dates. Neither did direct confrontation.

So this idea here of throwing out a question to get her hamster spinning was something I thought I’d throw out.

her response was interesting…I got a reply in 2 seconds:

Her: nahhhhhhh I didn’t mean it I want to make more plans with you
bunch of sad face icons. then qualification about why she couldn’t come etc etc
then “don’t be mad I’m so innocent”

I waited like 6 hours and replied with some non-sequitor but no mention of a reschedule.

She proposed rescheduling, I said Wednesday and she agreed.

This: ‘you did xxx what am I to think?” Worked.

I think also context is important. This is not a bar chick. This is your typical entitled princess type chick who isn’t so experienced with blokes, fairly sexy and attractive but used to guys pedestalizing or caving in to her.

Setting the frame early: ie “I’m no pushover” was a learning from past situations.

I leave it to you guys to chime in.


  • Amy
    on February 12, 2014 at 9:29 am
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    She was trying to punish you for not making plans with her on Valentine’s Day. But she caved.


    • YaReally
      on February 13, 2014 at 8:36 am
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      This. You did good by not falling into her frame and failing the shit-test. Props!

      Her offering a reschedule is a huge ioi. A shitty flake is when they flake and don’t apologize, that girl isn’t interested and is probably a waste of time or needs some more high-octane emotional game played on her. Slightly better is when they flake but apologize, that girl is interested but needs some work but should still be do-able. The best is when they flake, apologize, and offer a reschedule. That’s pretty much on like donkey kong.



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J.Belfort
on February 10, 2014 at 3:35 pm
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The guy in the following vid gets a lot of shit from commentators over his height and most chicks give him the cold shoulder upon approach (in his other vids).

But he’s relentless and assumes the sale every time. I recommend all should watch.

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuYQI2wJV-k?rel=0&w=560&h=315%5D


  • YaReally
    on February 10, 2014 at 5:49 pm
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    Cupid Shmupid is a fucking boss.

    Any short dude esp should be paying attention to this guy’s body language (rock solid, never chases, never leans in, never tilts his head up like a child looking for approval he’s always got his had level etc), logistical handling (stands on tall things, makes the girls sit so he can look them in the eye, pulls their head down to make out etc), vocal tonality (lots of breaking rapport, commands and statements more than questions and when he asks questions they’re asked in breaking rapport), handling shit-tests and AMOGs smoothly (never gets flustered at height comments/disqualifying from girls or guys trying to tool him), etc.

    This guy is like a master-class in how to demonstrate the value tall guys are naturally assumed to have, in a 5 foot tall body. He’s what I’m talking about when I say you can show dominance leadership tonality etc to make up for physical shortcomings. And he’s not even THAT refined yet. Like, he’s running about the equivalent game that a new guy to PUA runs in his 3rd-5th year…lots of attraction and better game than a lot of guys, but still not rock solid quite yet.

    Dude will be an absolute beast one day. And anti-gamers and guys who didn’t put in the effort he’s put in will say “oh those are just paid actresses” and “well he’s popular on YouTube so it’s just cause he’s a minor celebrity that he gets girls” etc lol

    For more fun here’s a guy picking up in a fat suit:

    And Cupid Schmupid’s appearance on their channel:



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J.Belfort
on February 10, 2014 at 3:35 pm
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The guy in the following vid gets a lot of shit from commentators over his height and most chicks give him the cold shoulder upon approach (in his other vids).

But he’s relentless and assumes the sale every time. I recommend all should watch.


  • YaReally
    on February 10, 2014 at 5:49 pm
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    Cupid Shmupid is a fucking boss.

    Any short dude esp should be paying attention to this guy’s body language (rock solid, never chases, never leans in, never tilts his head up like a child looking for approval he’s always got his had level etc), logistical handling (stands on tall things, makes the girls sit so he can look them in the eye, pulls their head down to make out etc), vocal tonality (lots of breaking rapport, commands and statements more than questions and when he asks questions they’re asked in breaking rapport), handling shit-tests and AMOGs smoothly (never gets flustered at height comments/disqualifying from girls or guys trying to tool him), etc.

    This guy is like a master-class in how to demonstrate the value tall guys are naturally assumed to have, in a 5 foot tall body. He’s what I’m talking about when I say you can show dominance leadership tonality etc to make up for physical shortcomings. And he’s not even THAT refined yet. Like, he’s running about the equivalent game that a new guy to PUA runs in his 3rd-5th year…lots of attraction and better game than a lot of guys, but still not rock solid quite yet.

    Dude will be an absolute beast one day. And anti-gamers and guys who didn’t put in the effort he’s put in will say “oh those are just paid actresses” and “well he’s popular on YouTube so it’s just cause he’s a minor celebrity that he gets girls” etc lol

    For more fun here’s a guy picking up in a fat suit:

    And Cupid Schmupid’s appearance on their channel:



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FuriousFerret
on February 10, 2014 at 4:47 pm
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A big problem in today’s cultural climate is people wanting to skirt the rules because they don’t have the capital to win at the game. Inherently every person knows what attracts the other sex but the problem arises when they fall for the siren’s song in promises for a new social utopia where biology doesn’t exist and we can rewrite human nature to follow a lazier and more happy path.

Now many women have fallen into the trap that my pussy is enough. I don’t have to work on my figure, it’s good enough because men are horny. I don’t have to work on grace, access to vag all that matters. They use youth to mask a very shaky foundation. Then they go full potato and their ideology goes to their heads and manifests in unaesthetic skrillex hair and piercing because they have become full on believers. It’s simply a long version of not wanting to play the game since it’s hard and they might lose. It’s defeatism in the age of carb fueled obesity and cultural expectations of androgyny.

Men follow their own version of the piper in ignoring the signs and think just being around and providing is the ticket to smashing. Seduction is work. Your ego gets crushed, you have to put up with endless amounts of BS from guys and girls until you get experienced. It’s much easier to escape to being your own personal Michael Cera then lace up your gloves and fight it out.

TD:LR: People know the core rules of the game, they simply deny it in hope that’s it not true.


  • Scray
    on February 10, 2014 at 5:14 pm
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    To be honest, I think it’s about discovering what kind of shit you will and will not tolerate. You can build your life however you see fit. If people in your group treat you like shit, ditch them. Only keep people in your life who add value to your experience on this planet.

    That’s probably the biggest problem people have, I think. We all struggle — -or at least I do — with scarcity and abundance. But, whenever I internalize an abundance mindset, that area of my life improves. Now, the problem of course is that you move on to better things and that scarcity returns….but it’s just a continuous cycle.

    So many guys tolerate so much bullshit in their lives and in their relationships because they don’t know any better. They watch bullshit TV shows where the man gets henpecked by the bitchy, not-that-hot wife and think “Oh that’s just life.” They hear a lot of ‘you go grrl’ and ‘man up!’ nonsense and think “oh, that’s just how it is.” People don’t make it worse with their “relationships are tough,” “relationships are about compromise,” etc. bullshit.

    Your life is as tough or difficult as you make it…in every sector.

    Treat as though they can be replaced and you’ll become irreplaceable to them. The core of game, I think.


    • YaReally
      on February 10, 2014 at 6:31 pm
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      @Scray
      Man I love when you write shit like this. I give you shit when you go on negative tangents with your game skills, but it makes me happy/proud to see you figure a lot of inner shit like this out. A lot of men and women will go their entire lives without ever understanding the stuff you wrote here, and that’s a tragedy to me. Good stuff dude.


    • walawala
      on February 10, 2014 at 9:24 pm
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      @scray Despite success, the “fear” of scarcity is what handicaps me. it requires a conscious effort on my part to say “WAIT” before suddenly succumbing to some girl’s pressure to meet at a certain time or respond a certain way.

      keyboard jockeys can say “bitches should respect the cocka” but in reality the social pressures you describe surround us.

      If you’re not behaving like the needy pedestalizing sap in 500 Days of Summer girls AND many guys will jump down your throat for not being a “gentleman”.

      I just pushed back on the latest girl i’m gaming who insisted on going out on Valentine’s Day.

      I had previous plans so made plans for another day which she was all whiny about.

      Finally I said: “valentine’s day is gay. we’re going to do something different”.

      But in this city—Valentine’s Day should be renamed “Beta Provider Chump Day” with every local girl getting huge bouquets of flowers—often anonymously—from their doting pedestalizing boyfriend—who usually ends up carrying the things.


      • FamilyMan
        on February 10, 2014 at 11:00 pm
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        Do guys actually give you pressure about not being a beta-style “gentleman”?

        That’s a really tough social circle you’ve got there to deal with, wala.


        • walawala
          on February 11, 2014 at 4:04 am
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          Yes, they do. This is a fact. They are quick to judge me to please their women or the woman they’re orbiting.


          • YaReally
            on February 13, 2014 at 9:17 am
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            10 minutes in:

            Some retarded white knight beta dipshit trying to shame Tyler into being a gentleman. This shit happens even from random dudes. They’re easy to deal with, but like, these guys are happy to jump right in and try to shame guys who are acting like “assholes”.


      • YaReally
        on February 11, 2014 at 2:12 am
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        “it requires a conscious effort on my part to say “WAIT” before suddenly succumbing to some girl’s pressure to meet at a certain time or respond a certain way.”

        If it helps, I had to do that too. I’ve internalized it now but that was by consciously stopping and checking myself until “fake it till you make it” kicked in.

        I’ve done stuff like using “drunk dial” apps that block you from txting a number for X amount of hours, during the day just to avoid responding too fast (txt then lock their # for an hour or a day etc)

        I’ve set girl’s numbers to not make a tone and not vibrate when they txt so I legitimately accidentally miss their txts and avoid txting back immediately/predictably every time.

        I’ve gotten #s while out and left on a high note and ended a solid txt convo then given my friend the battery to my phone to keep from me till morning to avoid txting all night drunk and fucking things up.

        I’ve read a girl’s txts right before taking a shower so that I can’t reply until after I’m out of the shower, and I have a solid 10 min in the shower to think of a solid response.

        I STILL reword my txt messages a dozen times before sending them. If I don’t feel a txt is perfect, I’ll just sit on it for a bit and brainstorm other responses while I work until I hit something solid and even then I’ll play with the wording a bit as I’m typing it.

        I’ve changed girls names in my phone to stuff like “Z DO NOT TXT NOOOOOOOO” so their name is at the bottom of my list so I don’t see it as easily and so when they txt that name pops up and reminds me she’s on a Soft Next or whatever.

        In person it’s all trickier like dealing with betas and social shaming…but that stuff makes your frame stronger when you stand against it and don’t falter or apologize for your beliefs/desires as a man. And if you stand long enough, people accept the new you and lay off. And the ones who don’t, you cut out of your life because fuck them for not supporting you in something important to you and your happiness lol

        Now I don’t have to really do that stuff, but every guy transitioning from scarcity to abundance has trouble like you…you just have to find ways to outsmart yourself and keep holding your frame unapologetically ;)


        • Zombie Shane
          on February 11, 2014 at 7:06 am
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          YaReally – wow – that is a shitload of calories which you’re putting into all of this.

          I can see doing that maybe in your early to mid 20s, but by your late 20s to early 30s, you really need to take all of these mad skillz which you’ve learned, and focus them on the girl of your dreams, and grab her for yourself, and settle down once and for all and make a bunch of babies with her.

          Otherwise it’s just so much purposeless sybaritic* nihilism, and the bitches go longer and longer without experiencing live births, and they draw that much nearer to barrenness and menopause and spinsterhood, and Western Civilization moves closer and closer to the precipice of extinction.

          Start putting some buns in them ovens, man.

          And get your ass some live births to show for all the calories which you’re expending.

          PS: If you’re an entrepreneur or a sales agent or a marketing campaign designer or a politician, then you can use EXACTLY these same mad skillz to earn a living supporting the girl of your dreams and the massive brood of children which you have by her.

          Game your sales leads using almost exactly the same techniques which you had used to game your poontang back when you were a bachelor.

          *PPS: Rush Limbaugh used that word – “sybaritic” – in his show yesterday:

          http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/02/10/democrats_work_is_punishment


          • YaReally
            on February 11, 2014 at 1:07 pm
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            @Zombie
            “Start putting some buns in them ovens, man.”

            Sure thing, man. You’re cool with me putting you down as the father on the birth certificate to pay for the cost of raising all these buns, right?


        • Arbiter
          on February 11, 2014 at 8:24 am
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          I also have that urge to reply quickly to a girl. The way I do when friends contact me about something. I want to be efficient, so why not get the texting over with? But of course being too efficient in communication with women makes them think you are coming on too strong and must therefore be low value. It’s what we have to adapt to.

          It is counter-intuitive, because we are used to thinking that more input means more output. More study time means more things learned. More work means more money. More wood chopping means more chopped wood. Alas, with women it doesn’t work that way. Only when it comes to the amount of approaches, of course, but not with each woman separately.

          “Spin more plates” – it is really good advice. It helps you keep your head cold and not contact a girl too much, not sound too eager. The distance and perspective you get from working on different women at the same time is very valuable.


          • YaReally
            on February 11, 2014 at 6:00 pm
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            @darkhorse

            Yep. Agreed. A lot of the “I don’t play games” and “I’m Mr Aloof” guys are still getting laid, but it’s not by the smokin hot 18-22yo’s who literally wake up to a dozen “good morning babe! :)” txts and get offered free trips to Paris and shit every weekend.

            It’s not that those girls wouldn’t like the guy, it’s just that unless he’s established MASSIVE value to her (ie – her celebrity crush could act aloof and she’d chase), she’s just legitimately got too many other offers on the table to give a shit.

            With a 25+ or esp 30+ chick ya, go ahead and be aloof, she doesn’t have as many options as she did when she was younger and hotter, so she’ll chase easier.

            It all comes down to value and standing out in her reality. Sure a guy can say “whatever man if she doesn’t get with the program then I’m Next’ing that bitch and moving to the next cause I don’t play games” but you can’t Next a girl you haven fucked, that’s her Next’ing YOU, and it means your game wasn’t tight enough to get her…which is okay if you’re just in the game for easy/constant pussy. Some guys just want to get laid, some like a challenge, it’s all good long as you’re happy with the type of girls you’re getting



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on February 10, 2014 at 4:47 pm
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A big problem in today’s cultural climate is people wanting to skirt the rules because they don’t have the capital to win at the game. Inherently every person knows what attracts the other sex but the problem arises when they fall for the siren’s song in promises for a new social utopia where biology doesn’t exist and we can rewrite human nature to follow a lazier and more happy path.

Now many women have fallen into the trap that my pussy is enough. I don’t have to work on my figure, it’s good enough because men are horny. I don’t have to work on grace, access to vag all that matters. They use youth to mask a very shaky foundation. Then they go full potato and their ideology goes to their heads and manifests in unaesthetic skrillex hair and piercing because they have become full on believers. It’s simply a long version of not wanting to play the game since it’s hard and they might lose. It’s defeatism in the age of carb fueled obesity and cultural expectations of androgyny.

Men follow their own version of the piper in ignoring the signs and think just being around and providing is the ticket to smashing. Seduction is work. Your ego gets crushed, you have to put up with endless amounts of BS from guys and girls until you get experienced. It’s much easier to escape to being your own personal Michael Cera then lace up your gloves and fight it out.

TD:LR: People know the core rules of the game, they simply deny it in hope that’s it not true.


  • Scray
    on February 10, 2014 at 5:14 pm
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    To be honest, I think it’s about discovering what kind of shit you will and will not tolerate. You can build your life however you see fit. If people in your group treat you like shit, ditch them. Only keep people in your life who add value to your experience on this planet.

    That’s probably the biggest problem people have, I think. We all struggle — -or at least I do — with scarcity and abundance. But, whenever I internalize an abundance mindset, that area of my life improves. Now, the problem of course is that you move on to better things and that scarcity returns….but it’s just a continuous cycle.

    So many guys tolerate so much bullshit in their lives and in their relationships because they don’t know any better. They watch bullshit TV shows where the man gets henpecked by the bitchy, not-that-hot wife and think “Oh that’s just life.” They hear a lot of ‘you go grrl’ and ‘man up!’ nonsense and think “oh, that’s just how it is.” People don’t make it worse with their “relationships are tough,” “relationships are about compromise,” etc. bullshit.

    Your life is as tough or difficult as you make it…in every sector.

    Treat as though they can be replaced and you’ll become irreplaceable to them. The core of game, I think.


    • YaReally
      on February 10, 2014 at 6:31 pm
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      @Scray
      Man I love when you write shit like this. I give you shit when you go on negative tangents with your game skills, but it makes me happy/proud to see you figure a lot of inner shit like this out. A lot of men and women will go their entire lives without ever understanding the stuff you wrote here, and that’s a tragedy to me. Good stuff dude.


    • YaReally
      on February 11, 2014 at 2:12 am
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      “it requires a conscious effort on my part to say “WAIT” before suddenly succumbing to some girl’s pressure to meet at a certain time or respond a certain way.”

      If it helps, I had to do that too. I’ve internalized it now but that was by consciously stopping and checking myself until “fake it till you make it” kicked in.

      I’ve done stuff like using “drunk dial” apps that block you from txting a number for X amount of hours, during the day just to avoid responding too fast (txt then lock their # for an hour or a day etc)

      I’ve set girl’s numbers to not make a tone and not vibrate when they txt so I legitimately accidentally miss their txts and avoid txting back immediately/predictably every time.

      I’ve gotten #s while out and left on a high note and ended a solid txt convo then given my friend the battery to my phone to keep from me till morning to avoid txting all night drunk and fucking things up.

      I’ve read a girl’s txts right before taking a shower so that I can’t reply until after I’m out of the shower, and I have a solid 10 min in the shower to think of a solid response.

      I STILL reword my txt messages a dozen times before sending them. If I don’t feel a txt is perfect, I’ll just sit on it for a bit and brainstorm other responses while I work until I hit something solid and even then I’ll play with the wording a bit as I’m typing it.

      I’ve changed girls names in my phone to stuff like “Z DO NOT TXT NOOOOOOOO” so their name is at the bottom of my list so I don’t see it as easily and so when they txt that name pops up and reminds me she’s on a Soft Next or whatever.

      In person it’s all trickier like dealing with betas and social shaming…but that stuff makes your frame stronger when you stand against it and don’t falter or apologize for your beliefs/desires as a man. And if you stand long enough, people accept the new you and lay off. And the ones who don’t, you cut out of your life because fuck them for not supporting you in something important to you and your happiness lol

      Now I don’t have to really do that stuff, but every guy transitioning from scarcity to abundance has trouble like you…you just have to find ways to outsmart yourself and keep holding your frame unapologetically ;)


    • YaReally
      on February 11, 2014 at 1:07 pm
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      @Zombie
      “Start putting some buns in them ovens, man.”

      Sure thing, man. You’re cool with me putting you down as the father on the birth certificate to pay for the cost of raising all these buns, right?


    • YaReally
      on February 11, 2014 at 6:00 pm
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      @darkhorse

      Yep. Agreed. A lot of the “I don’t play games” and “I’m Mr Aloof” guys are still getting laid, but it’s not by the smokin hot 18-22yo’s who literally wake up to a dozen “good morning babe! :)” txts and get offered free trips to Paris and shit every weekend.

      It’s not that those girls wouldn’t like the guy, it’s just that unless he’s established MASSIVE value to her (ie – her celebrity crush could act aloof and she’d chase), she’s just legitimately got too many other offers on the table to give a shit.

      With a 25+ or esp 30+ chick ya, go ahead and be aloof, she doesn’t have as many options as she did when she was younger and hotter, so she’ll chase easier.

      It all comes down to value and standing out in her reality. Sure a guy can say “whatever man if she doesn’t get with the program then I’m Next’ing that bitch and moving to the next cause I don’t play games” but you can’t Next a girl you haven fucked, that’s her Next’ing YOU, and it means your game wasn’t tight enough to get her…which is okay if you’re just in the game for easy/constant pussy. Some guys just want to get laid, some like a challenge, it’s all good long as you’re happy with the type of girls you’re getting


    • YaReally
      on February 13, 2014 at 9:17 am
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      10 minutes in:

      Some retarded white knight beta dipshit trying to shame Tyler into being a gentleman. This shit happens even from random dudes. They’re easy to deal with, but like, these guys are happy to jump right in and try to shame guys who are acting like “assholes”.



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darkhorse
on February 11, 2014 at 11:43 am
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@YaReally

Took a couple hot young girls out last night just to hang. Both 8+s. One is just too much drama for me, the other is solid but has boyfriend. Beautiful girl, well mannered, well educated. We were chatting and as the night progressed she eventually opened up that her boyfriend doesn’t fuck her the way she wants to be fucked: really rough. (this is becoming a recurring theme in my interaction with women now.) I know she likes it rough because we made out about a year back when I started slapping her she returned the favor lol. Last night tried making out with her a couple times while we were hanging last night, she rejected the advances. Coyness: “I have a boyfriend, lol, that’s not happening.” But the vibe was still solid, she wasn’t scare doff. We started grinding in this divey bar and it got pretty intimate,..cheek to cheek, pulling her hair, clenching her ass, grabbing herby her coat collar and kind of throwing her around the room on rhythm lol (this probably looked weird to the patrons, lol). She didn’t come home, boyfriend checking in earlier, but left an invitation to meet again. Would like to know what might be going through her mind and how to advance. She prolly feels a little guilty about the dance floor antics and even just hanging out with a guy whose intentions she knows are to fuck her. Clearly she isn’t sold on getting fucked by me, but it’s tempting to her. She’s weighing getting fucked like she wants with her loyalty to her boyfriend whom she likes. Think eventually I need to text what I would exactly set up a rough sex session and exactly what I would do. She’s leaving in X number weeks. Thinking about starting out with something like “So I X weeks to seduce you, huh?”, get a conversation going, then outline what I would do.


  • YaReally
    on February 13, 2014 at 5:27 pm
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    @darkhorse

    lol this is all just ASD. You’re actually creating MORE ASD not LESS with all these raw sexual follow-ups you’re doing.

    This is why you don’t get too raunchy/sexual until you have a solid clear path logistically to the actual lay in that same interaction. If you pass a certain point but can’t deal the deal, her ASD kicks in and you’ll have a bitch of a time getting her to meet up again because her ASD is saying “noooope stay away from him or you’ll have sex and be a cheater and a slut!” If you pass that same point but CAN seal the deal that same night, then she’ll be easier to meet up with again because she’s already jumped into the cold water of the pool so he might as well do it again as it becomes normalized to her.

    Your raw txts about how you thought she’d enjoy being tossed around and no one will find out and bla bla are 1) making this “you’ll have sex if you hang out” ASD worse, and 2) trying to logically convince her…remember: change her mood, not her mind. It’s the equivalent of a dude listing off reasons why a girl should be attracted to him when she’s not.

    That all said, this strategy CAN work, because I’ve pulled it off when I accidentally went down this route in my earlier less calibrated days of trying this out…but the common theme when it works tends to be that you have to go so overboard into sexual territory that she’s so turned on that she short-circuits her own ASD and goes for it, but to pull that off you need a lot of elements to align perfectly like you need to be txting her on a night when she’s horny and has free time to have a few hours txt convo plus the time to come bang (like her husband is gone for the weekend), plus get her into a deep sexting convo which means a lot of 50 shades descriptive sexual txts on your part (not “I have handcuffs, it would be fun”, more “you’d feel the steel cuffs click around your wrists as I nibble on your neck and growl in your ear telling you to tell me what a dirty little bla bla” which is a big time investment on your end), plus a bunch of other shit…generally it’s just too random and low % to bother with this route. There’s a very low chance of it working and of you just wastin a bunch of energy trying.

    Much better is to avoid that situ entirely. You should be removing all sexuality from hanging out instead of increasing it. She should feel like “oh he just wants to have innocent goodbye drinks as friends before I leave” and then in-person you seduce her because you know the attraction is there…so you isolate her, give her excuses for her actions (let her have a glass of wine so she can say “we were drinking” etc), and escalate and it should be a done deal.

    At this point you might have the ASD too flared up to salvage it. You could try something crazy like a week or two (depending on when she’s leaving) of radio silence followed by telling her you’re seeing someone now and you’ve decided to get serious with them and so you two can’t have sex but it would be cool to grab a farewell drink together before she moves on with her life etc and disqualifying yourself like that MIGHT get a meet-up…but that’s some untested shit right there so I can’t predict what kind of success % that would have.

    Ideally in the future use this as a reference experience for why we don’t go too far until we know we can make the actual lay happen logistically. It’s such a nightmare to deal with triggered ASD lol. Remember that she WANTS to fuck you. She WISHES she could, she’d LOVE the sex you’re offering…but ASD is so strong that she’ll pass up what she knows would be the best sex of her life, just to appease her ASD.


    • darkhorse
      on February 13, 2014 at 8:29 pm
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      Thanks. I may have pushed hard so ASD certainly is strong. Plus Valentine’s day can only make it worse. I’ll figure out logistics that work and just do drinks. I was in a similar situation and told a girl she couldn’t make out with me if we met up and she tried to force herself on me.

      Side note: Ironically talking to female friends about the situation makes them want to sleep with me more. ,


      • YaReally
        on February 13, 2014 at 9:43 pm
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        @darkhorse

        Ya, do radio silence now then txt her after vday. Like Sunday evening if she lives alone or Monday during the day if she lives with him. There’s a possible chance he’ll fuck up vday with a shitty lay etc. and you can capitalize on that after she’s bummed about it for a couple days.

        BEFORE vday, her ASD is going to go off harder cause she’s visualizing that he might send her flowers at work and treat her to a nice candlelit dinner and bang her proper. But after when none of this happens, that’s a possible window of opportunity.

        Vday Xmas etc are all trickier for banging a girl in a relationship because the ASD/guilt kicks in higher. I had to stop banging a girl because her upcoming wedding triggered her ASD too hard as the wedding day got closer (lol, I just wanted to write that sentence).



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darkhorse
on February 11, 2014 at 11:43 am
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@YaReally

Took a couple hot young girls out last night just to hang. Both 8+s. One is just too much drama for me, the other is solid but has boyfriend. Beautiful girl, well mannered, well educated. We were chatting and as the night progressed she eventually opened up that her boyfriend doesn’t fuck her the way she wants to be fucked: really rough. (this is becoming a recurring theme in my interaction with women now.) I know she likes it rough because we made out about a year back when I started slapping her she returned the favor lol. Last night tried making out with her a couple times while we were hanging last night, she rejected the advances. Coyness: “I have a boyfriend, lol, that’s not happening.” But the vibe was still solid, she wasn’t scare doff. We started grinding in this divey bar and it got pretty intimate,..cheek to cheek, pulling her hair, clenching her ass, grabbing herby her coat collar and kind of throwing her around the room on rhythm lol (this probably looked weird to the patrons, lol). She didn’t come home, boyfriend checking in earlier, but left an invitation to meet again. Would like to know what might be going through her mind and how to advance. She prolly feels a little guilty about the dance floor antics and even just hanging out with a guy whose intentions she knows are to fuck her. Clearly she isn’t sold on getting fucked by me, but it’s tempting to her. She’s weighing getting fucked like she wants with her loyalty to her boyfriend whom she likes. Think eventually I need to text what I would exactly set up a rough sex session and exactly what I would do. She’s leaving in X number weeks. Thinking about starting out with something like “So I X weeks to seduce you, huh?”, get a conversation going, then outline what I would do.


  • YaReally
    on February 13, 2014 at 5:27 pm
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    @darkhorse

    lol this is all just ASD. You’re actually creating MORE ASD not LESS with all these raw sexual follow-ups you’re doing.

    This is why you don’t get too raunchy/sexual until you have a solid clear path logistically to the actual lay in that same interaction. If you pass a certain point but can’t deal the deal, her ASD kicks in and you’ll have a bitch of a time getting her to meet up again because her ASD is saying “noooope stay away from him or you’ll have sex and be a cheater and a slut!” If you pass that same point but CAN seal the deal that same night, then she’ll be easier to meet up with again because she’s already jumped into the cold water of the pool so he might as well do it again as it becomes normalized to her.

    Your raw txts about how you thought she’d enjoy being tossed around and no one will find out and bla bla are 1) making this “you’ll have sex if you hang out” ASD worse, and 2) trying to logically convince her…remember: change her mood, not her mind. It’s the equivalent of a dude listing off reasons why a girl should be attracted to him when she’s not.

    That all said, this strategy CAN work, because I’ve pulled it off when I accidentally went down this route in my earlier less calibrated days of trying this out…but the common theme when it works tends to be that you have to go so overboard into sexual territory that she’s so turned on that she short-circuits her own ASD and goes for it, but to pull that off you need a lot of elements to align perfectly like you need to be txting her on a night when she’s horny and has free time to have a few hours txt convo plus the time to come bang (like her husband is gone for the weekend), plus get her into a deep sexting convo which means a lot of 50 shades descriptive sexual txts on your part (not “I have handcuffs, it would be fun”, more “you’d feel the steel cuffs click around your wrists as I nibble on your neck and growl in your ear telling you to tell me what a dirty little bla bla” which is a big time investment on your end), plus a bunch of other shit…generally it’s just too random and low % to bother with this route. There’s a very low chance of it working and of you just wastin a bunch of energy trying.

    Much better is to avoid that situ entirely. You should be removing all sexuality from hanging out instead of increasing it. She should feel like “oh he just wants to have innocent goodbye drinks as friends before I leave” and then in-person you seduce her because you know the attraction is there…so you isolate her, give her excuses for her actions (let her have a glass of wine so she can say “we were drinking” etc), and escalate and it should be a done deal.

    At this point you might have the ASD too flared up to salvage it. You could try something crazy like a week or two (depending on when she’s leaving) of radio silence followed by telling her you’re seeing someone now and you’ve decided to get serious with them and so you two can’t have sex but it would be cool to grab a farewell drink together before she moves on with her life etc and disqualifying yourself like that MIGHT get a meet-up…but that’s some untested shit right there so I can’t predict what kind of success % that would have.

    Ideally in the future use this as a reference experience for why we don’t go too far until we know we can make the actual lay happen logistically. It’s such a nightmare to deal with triggered ASD lol. Remember that she WANTS to fuck you. She WISHES she could, she’d LOVE the sex you’re offering…but ASD is so strong that she’ll pass up what she knows would be the best sex of her life, just to appease her ASD.


    • YaReally
      on February 13, 2014 at 9:43 pm
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      @darkhorse

      Ya, do radio silence now then txt her after vday. Like Sunday evening if she lives alone or Monday during the day if she lives with him. There’s a possible chance he’ll fuck up vday with a shitty lay etc. and you can capitalize on that after she’s bummed about it for a couple days.

      BEFORE vday, her ASD is going to go off harder cause she’s visualizing that he might send her flowers at work and treat her to a nice candlelit dinner and bang her proper. But after when none of this happens, that’s a possible window of opportunity.

      Vday Xmas etc are all trickier for banging a girl in a relationship because the ASD/guilt kicks in higher. I had to stop banging a girl because her upcoming wedding triggered her ASD too hard as the wedding day got closer (lol, I just wanted to write that sentence).



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on February 8, 2014 at 11:09 am
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Here’s my problem: I love cooking and I am a really good cook. I even thinking of starting a business around cooking. What should I do? Stop cooking to get more pussy?


  • YaReally
    on February 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm
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    Lot of good reframes/mindsets posted in reply to this. Great stuff, all. I esp like the “fire knives and corpses” bit and if I cooked and was made fun of for cooking that would be my go-to reply.

    The big key is how for the guys who’ve posted that cook, the notion of cooking NOT being badass and manly and alpha is RIDICULOUS. Like even reading their writing, that frame that cooking is badass radiates thru the text.

    For any guy with insecurities, whether it’s about your height or your hobbies or your job or your preferences in life, if you reframe your shit the way the guys here have fine with cooking, women will find it attractive because the strongest frame always wins and women ping off their environment to decide how to feel…so if you talk about cooking like a boss, or if you talk about collecting Pokemon cards like a boss, women will fall into the frame of “ok this must be cool and wow it’s hot how passionate he is”

    The funniest part is that if they objectively think the thing is lame, you become “the exception”. So it becomes “well guys cooking is kind of girly, BUT when (the guy I’m attracted to) does it, somehow I find it sexy”. And “collecting Pokemon cards is super lame…BUT when (the guy I’m attracted to) talks about it, wow he’s so passionate…I don’t really understand it, but he’s not like those NERDS that collect Pokemon cards.”

    They don’t even register the cognitive dissonance lol. And when you guys break up she’ll say “ughh he was so lame he was always in the kitchen like a woman/pokemoning, I like REAL men.”

    Remember: “I don’t do X because it’s cool. X is cool because I do it.”



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riseofman
on February 8, 2014 at 11:15 am
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The downfall of society is upon us. Reminds me of the humanitarians from Atlas Shrugged all over again.


  • Matthew King
    on February 8, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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    Please kill yourself.

    This constant faggoty hand-wringing in lieu of acting is fraying my last nerve.

    We have diagnosed the disease in excruciating, OCD-level detail. Now what are you doing about it?

    Men thrive in times of disruption and upheaval. Are you a man?


    • YaReally
      on February 8, 2014 at 6:58 pm
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      “This constant faggoty hand-wringing in lieu of acting is fraying my last nerve.”

      …uhhh isn’t that pretty much your M.O.? Whining instead of taking action? I mean, I agree action is good but how are YOU calling someone else out on complaining instead of acting lol wtf have you done to fix all the shit you cry about?

      <3


      • Pluviophile
        on February 9, 2014 at 9:10 am
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        Mr. Really, your wisdom is only surpassed by your ignorance. It’s too damn early to shoot, so words are the weapons.

        Before the first brick smashes into a million shards the glasshouse protecting our lords and masters there will be a million written words that define that bricks trajectory.

        P.S. Love the ‘<3'. Your example is always before us.


        • Matthew King
          on February 9, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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          <3 is a drunken, dunce-capped, and depantsed dude passed out on his side, showing the world his ass.

          Take off your St. Valentine's Day blinders.


          • YaReally
            on February 9, 2014 at 1:26 pm
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            pfffft, I wasn’t drunk. The pantsless part is true tho.


      • Matthew King
        on February 9, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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        …uhhh isn’t that pretty much your M.O.? Whining instead of taking action? I mean, I agree action is good but how are YOU calling someone else out on complaining instead of acting…

        Uhhh ummm uhhhhh uhhhhh. Are you constipated? Trying to pass a stubborn stool as you think this one out?

        Describe for us what you believe a week in my life is like, particularly with regard to how much effort you imagine I expend complaining versus acting. This could be an illuminating exercise.

        It’s odd — though not unexpected, given that you are a slow-witted, self-proclaimed player and self-anointed guru — that a person would draw certain conclusions from a total uncertainty. You never examine your premises, you never consider the quality of your evidence. You just interject yourself to prove once again how far out of your depth you are when it comes to personal judgment vis-à-vis general concepts.

        Let me put it in terms you’re more likely to understand: What do you truly know about me and how I live?

        I’m not talking about your stitched-together impressions and half-baked assumptions and pua guru bullet-point categories. I’m talking about what you can independently confirm.

        Because if you do sketch out what you imagine my life to be, I wager it will only confirm your dependency on detailed strawmen to make a point in the face of criticism. If I’m wrong, I’m an honest enough fellow to give you the full credit deserved for perspicacity. I will be shocked into giving you a newfound and wholly unexpected respect.

        But I have a sneaking suspicion you can’t even tell when you’re making shit up out of whole cloth, filling in the serious gaps of your wisdom with generic fabrication.

        Matt


        • YaReally
          on February 9, 2014 at 1:42 pm
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          “Are you constipated? Trying to pass a stubborn stool as you think this one out?”

          Yes, it’s a difficult task. If only I could learn to expel shit out of my mouth the way you do, things would be much easier.

          “Describe for us what you believe a week in my life is like”

          “that a person would draw certain conclusions from a total uncertainty.”

          Oh I’m quite certain lol

          “What do you truly know about me and how I live?”

          I’ve met you a thousand times, Matt. You are as unique and special as the goth kid in high school who thinks no one can understand his depth, just like all his goth kid buddies. It’s unfathomable to them how generic and predictable they are to anyone who’s been around.

          Just kidding, you are a unique and special snowflake, just like everyone else.


          • YaReally
            on February 9, 2014 at 2:28 pm
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            @Matt

            “For fucksake, you didn’t even understand the challenge.”

            Oh I did. I just don’t care. “WHY WONT U PLAY MY GAEM???!!! IMBECILIEE!!!” lol

            “for some reason you always volunteer to interject yourself into my conversations.”

            I’m just trying to get in your pants.

            “But then, as we all know, don’t pay attention to what a chick says. Watch what she does.”

            Shit, you zung me there. Another scathing reply! I must go nurse my wounds and contemplate the bleak meaninglessness of my existence.



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From the article.

“It bothered her that her husband acknowledged being turned on by watching the fantasy online but not by doing it in real life with her. “I felt so rejected,” she said. “I told him, ‘I want you to want to dominate me,’ but he said he just doesn’t see me that way, that he doesn’t see us that way.” ”

You can’t fool men with play-acting. If you want to be a sex slave, be a sex slave. You can’t fake that for a “scene” then go back to being a bitch.


  • quorasdesignatedasshole
    on February 8, 2014 at 2:23 pm
    Original Link

    Don’t just blame the bitch. The wimp’s at a greater fault there.


    • YaReally
      on February 8, 2014 at 7:02 pm
      Original Link

      Agreed. Dude’s fault. Separate bedroom from reality…merging the two is what gay socially conditioned dudes do and it’s why they can’t let loose and fuck good, cause the guy is all “omg she was like such and such during sex and now I can’t not see her that way when we’re having lunch!!!!”

      Sure it’s convenient when a chick is the same in and out of the bedroom, but a guy should be able to take a chick who’s dominant outside of the bedroom and dominate her inside it.


      • Carlos Danger
        on February 9, 2014 at 7:30 am
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        What she really craves is a man who dominates her all the time.


        • YaReally
          on February 9, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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          Nah, the captain can let other people steer the ship, as long as it’s heading in the right direction. When it starts to go off course, it’s time for the captain to put it back on track, but then he can let his subordinates maintain it.

          It’s similar to how in a group conversation you can let the lesser men hold court, as long as what they’re saying leads things in the direction you want (or at least doesn’t put things off course). And how in seduction you can let the woman lead the conversation, as long as she’s leading it in a direction that benefits you and your goals…when she goes off-track, you put her back on track, and let her continue from there.

          It’s fine to delegate and only expend as much effort as is required to achieve the goal. You don’t have to be “on” 24/7.



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Aquila
on February 8, 2014 at 1:12 pm
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And people think the Bible is backwards when it talks about how acting like the opposite sex is almost always an abomination or something. Those fools, they don’t understand that it’s ancient wisdom. Humanity cannot be happy apart from nature, and it’s human nature for women to be men’s helpmate, not an equal.

On a side note, this blog and others like it have given me a near-perfectly tuned sense of relationship health. When my friend and his wife created a diaper changing schedule to ensure HE did his “fair share,” I knew things were doomed. In no time he found himself in the office of a divorce lawyer. When my other friend told his wife to make us a good dinner with a good desert afterwards, yes told her, not asked her, she did it (and it was good), and I knew they’d be a healthy couple. We were happy, she was happy, everyone was happy. Nature… don’t fight it, embrace it.


  • Scray
    on February 8, 2014 at 4:06 pm
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    Nah, you went too far….pretty common in the manosphere. Yes, men shouldn’t be women and vice versa…but I think they’re equal. Neither is better or worse, they just complement one another.


    • FamilyMan
      on February 8, 2014 at 11:40 pm
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      Scray, where is it ever necessary to assume men and women are equal? How does this doubtful idea ever solve a problem?


      • Scray
        on February 9, 2014 at 3:17 am
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        Assuming men and women are equal as the sum of their strengths and weaknesses helps to solve several problems. First of all, you want to avoid misogyny, which is just butthurt bitterness. Second of all, you stop assuming that game is an adversarial process to try and “conquer” someone else. It becomes an exercise in trying to suss out those natural complementary elements.


        • YaReally
          on February 9, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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          “It becomes an exercise in trying to suss out those natural complementary elements.”

          Agreed. The type of woman I would have settled with before I had any experience with women was a very different type than I would choose to settle with now. But over time as I’ve learned more about myself, I’ve learned which attributes in women compliment/balance mine and so I screen for those attributes. The most solid relationships I’ve seen have been the ones where both people know their role and happily embrace those roles regardless of what other people think.

          Why force a square peg into a round hole? There are literally billions of pegs out there, enjoy looking thru them till you find a round peg instead.



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YaReally
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I don’t know why you wasted your time writing this article, CH…the hamsters have this shit covered:

http://jezebel.com/what-if-equality-is-the-biggest-bonerkiller-of-all-1518482932

God there’s like a year’s worth of articles in that link lol



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gregoryoh
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Here’s my problem: I love cooking and I am a really good cook. I even thinking of starting a business around cooking. What should I do? Stop cooking to get more pussy?


  • YaReally
    on February 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm
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    Lot of good reframes/mindsets posted in reply to this. Great stuff, all. I esp like the “fire knives and corpses” bit and if I cooked and was made fun of for cooking that would be my go-to reply.

    The big key is how for the guys who’ve posted that cook, the notion of cooking NOT being badass and manly and alpha is RIDICULOUS. Like even reading their writing, that frame that cooking is badass radiates thru the text.

    For any guy with insecurities, whether it’s about your height or your hobbies or your job or your preferences in life, if you reframe your shit the way the guys here have fine with cooking, women will find it attractive because the strongest frame always wins and women ping off their environment to decide how to feel…so if you talk about cooking like a boss, or if you talk about collecting Pokemon cards like a boss, women will fall into the frame of “ok this must be cool and wow it’s hot how passionate he is”

    The funniest part is that if they objectively think the thing is lame, you become “the exception”. So it becomes “well guys cooking is kind of girly, BUT when (the guy I’m attracted to) does it, somehow I find it sexy”. And “collecting Pokemon cards is super lame…BUT when (the guy I’m attracted to) talks about it, wow he’s so passionate…I don’t really understand it, but he’s not like those NERDS that collect Pokemon cards.”

    They don’t even register the cognitive dissonance lol. And when you guys break up she’ll say “ughh he was so lame he was always in the kitchen like a woman/pokemoning, I like REAL men.”

    Remember: “I don’t do X because it’s cool. X is cool because I do it.”



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riseofman
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The downfall of society is upon us. Reminds me of the humanitarians from Atlas Shrugged all over again.


  • Matthew King
    on February 8, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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    Please kill yourself.

    This constant faggoty hand-wringing in lieu of acting is fraying my last nerve.

    We have diagnosed the disease in excruciating, OCD-level detail. Now what are you doing about it?

    Men thrive in times of disruption and upheaval. Are you a man?


    • YaReally
      on February 8, 2014 at 6:58 pm
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      “This constant faggoty hand-wringing in lieu of acting is fraying my last nerve.”

      …uhhh isn’t that pretty much your M.O.? Whining instead of taking action? I mean, I agree action is good but how are YOU calling someone else out on complaining instead of acting lol wtf have you done to fix all the shit you cry about?
      <3


    • YaReally
      on February 9, 2014 at 1:26 pm
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      pfffft, I wasn’t drunk. The pantsless part is true tho.


    • YaReally
      on February 9, 2014 at 1:42 pm
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      “Are you constipated? Trying to pass a stubborn stool as you think this one out?”

      Yes, it’s a difficult task. If only I could learn to expel shit out of my mouth the way you do, things would be much easier.

      “Describe for us what you believe a week in my life is like”

      “that a person would draw certain conclusions from a total uncertainty.”

      Oh I’m quite certain lol

      “What do you truly know about me and how I live?”

      I’ve met you a thousand times, Matt. You are as unique and special as the goth kid in high school who thinks no one can understand his depth, just like all his goth kid buddies. It’s unfathomable to them how generic and predictable they are to anyone who’s been around.

      Just kidding, you are a unique and special snowflake, just like everyone else.


    • YaReally
      on February 9, 2014 at 2:28 pm
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      @Matt

      “For fucksake, you didn’t even understand the challenge.”

      Oh I did. I just don’t care. “WHY WONT U PLAY MY GAEM???!!! IMBECILIEE!!!” lol

      “for some reason you always volunteer to interject yourself into my conversations.”

      I’m just trying to get in your pants.

      “But then, as we all know, don’t pay attention to what a chick says. Watch what she does.”

      Shit, you zung me there. Another scathing reply! I must go nurse my wounds and contemplate the bleak meaninglessness of my existence.



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tteclod
on February 8, 2014 at 11:19 am
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From the article.

“It bothered her that her husband acknowledged being turned on by watching the fantasy online but not by doing it in real life with her. “I felt so rejected,” she said. “I told him, ‘I want you to want to dominate me,’ but he said he just doesn’t see me that way, that he doesn’t see us that way.” ”

You can’t fool men with play-acting. If you want to be a sex slave, be a sex slave. You can’t fake that for a “scene” then go back to being a bitch.


  • quorasdesignatedasshole
    on February 8, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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    Don’t just blame the bitch. The wimp’s at a greater fault there.


    • YaReally
      on February 8, 2014 at 7:02 pm
      Original Link

      Agreed. Dude’s fault. Separate bedroom from reality…merging the two is what gay socially conditioned dudes do and it’s why they can’t let loose and fuck good, cause the guy is all “omg she was like such and such during sex and now I can’t not see her that way when we’re having lunch!!!!”

      Sure it’s convenient when a chick is the same in and out of the bedroom, but a guy should be able to take a chick who’s dominant outside of the bedroom and dominate her inside it.


    • YaReally
      on February 9, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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      Nah, the captain can let other people steer the ship, as long as it’s heading in the right direction. When it starts to go off course, it’s time for the captain to put it back on track, but then he can let his subordinates maintain it.

      It’s similar to how in a group conversation you can let the lesser men hold court, as long as what they’re saying leads things in the direction you want (or at least doesn’t put things off course). And how in seduction you can let the woman lead the conversation, as long as she’s leading it in a direction that benefits you and your goals…when she goes off-track, you put her back on track, and let her continue from there.

      It’s fine to delegate and only expend as much effort as is required to achieve the goal. You don’t have to be “on” 24/7.



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Aquila
on February 8, 2014 at 1:12 pm
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And people think the Bible is backwards when it talks about how acting like the opposite sex is almost always an abomination or something. Those fools, they don’t understand that it’s ancient wisdom. Humanity cannot be happy apart from nature, and it’s human nature for women to be men’s helpmate, not an equal.

On a side note, this blog and others like it have given me a near-perfectly tuned sense of relationship health. When my friend and his wife created a diaper changing schedule to ensure HE did his “fair share,” I knew things were doomed. In no time he found himself in the office of a divorce lawyer. When my other friend told his wife to make us a good dinner with a good desert afterwards, yes told her, not asked her, she did it (and it was good), and I knew they’d be a healthy couple. We were happy, she was happy, everyone was happy. Nature… don’t fight it, embrace it.


  • Scray
    on February 8, 2014 at 4:06 pm
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    Nah, you went too far….pretty common in the manosphere. Yes, men shouldn’t be women and vice versa…but I think they’re equal. Neither is better or worse, they just complement one another.


    • YaReally
      on February 9, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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      “It becomes an exercise in trying to suss out those natural complementary elements.”

      Agreed. The type of woman I would have settled with before I had any experience with women was a very different type than I would choose to settle with now. But over time as I’ve learned more about myself, I’ve learned which attributes in women compliment/balance mine and so I screen for those attributes. The most solid relationships I’ve seen have been the ones where both people know their role and happily embrace those roles regardless of what other people think.

      Why force a square peg into a round hole? There are literally billions of pegs out there, enjoy looking thru them till you find a round peg instead.



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YaReally
on February 9, 2014 at 1:50 pm
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I don’t know why you wasted your time writing this article, CH…the hamsters have this shit covered:

http://jezebel.com/what-if-equality-is-the-biggest-bonerkiller-of-all-1518482932

God there’s like a year’s worth of articles in that link lol



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on February 7, 2014 at 1:17 pm
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ahhh, the Lorenzo Von Matterhorn…



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ahhh, the Lorenzo Von Matterhorn…



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Johnny Caustic
on February 3, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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Notice how she keeps returning to the theme that a man shouldn’t expect a woman to do anything to please him. “Being skinnier is not that high on our priority list.” “If we want abs, we’ll get them. But not for you.” “A girl who can’t cook.”

It’s a recurring leitmotif in female writing on relationships: if a woman does anything whatsoever to please a man or make him happy, she’s betraying the sisterhood. They’re teaching a philosophy of total selfishness: expect everything and give nothing in return. It’s not just laziness; some of them will work quite hard to avoid the appearance of generosity.

One thing too few people understand is that one must feel gratitude to feel happy; entitlement causes unhappiness. Women today are taught never to be grateful, which is why they’re all so miserable.


  • YaReally
    on February 3, 2014 at 7:41 pm
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    This. I’ve been experimenting with asking women what exactly they’re bringing to the table lol And when I get confronted with how I should settle down and get a girlfriend etc. I just say “Okay, sell me on it. Go!” It can be pretty entertaining.

    I love women, but a long-term monogamous relationship to me, especially a legalized one like marriage, just seems like adopting a child-like roommate that sucks half my resources away without offering much in return.

    I’ve said before, in the past getting married meant for a man that he was getting someone to raise his kids, take care of the housework, cook healthy meals for the family, take care of his sexual needs (or allow him mistresses), and generally keep shit running smooth on the homefront so he can focus on his career and making money to provide for them.

    These days getting married seems to mean the man still has to work a shit-load since his wife racked up a fuck-ton of debt when she was single, except now he also has to come home to do half the housework, cook half the meals or allow his family to eat unhealthy take-out/delivery, not get laid because his wife is too tired from work or gets too fat to be attractive, not be allowed to bang other chicks because she can no-fault divorce him for half his shit and custody of his kids, and on top of that his kids are raised by nannies or daycares, basically allowing strangers to raise his children and teach them about life, because his wife is busy working too.

    I fail to see the deal for the man here lol Like I don’t hate women, I don’t think they’re bad people, it’s just that they don’t seem to realize that the deal they’re offering is like saying “you lucky dog, I’m going to give you a chance to be my slave! Aren’t you excited for this opportunity??”

    Then contrast all that with the single lifestyle: Work just hard enough to secure your future and get by, doing a job you like because you had the freedom to risk a few years in the shitter to go the entrepreneur route, spend all your money on whatever you want, whenever you want, for whatever reason you want, devote a chunk of your ample free time to developing yourself mentally/physically and eating healthy, then slay a bunch of hot poon for free in casual relationships for as long as you like.

    I mean, ya, having kids would be cool and all. But in the current system, the way it’s designed, it doesn’t seem worth the risk and potential downsides.

    Now the question is: who’s going to cave first, in terms of revamping the deal on the table? The old spinster women with their 10 cats who feel like failures at life because their uteri have dried up and they’re growing old and lonely because no one has wanted them and their bastard children since they hit 35? …or the single guy loving his bachelor life, in the best shape of his life, with ample money to burn, working a job he likes, playing videogames all day or recreational sports with his buddies followed by beers and banging fuckbuddies?

    I plan to continue being patient until I see an offer I like. :)


    • The Burninator
      on February 4, 2014 at 11:26 am
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      @YaReally

      “not get laid because his wife is too tired from work or gets too fat to be attractive, not be allowed to bang other chicks because she can no-fault divorce him for half his shit and custody of his kids, ”

      Here’s some area where I have expertise that you do not yet have. The simple fact is that she will divorce you regardless of a mistress or not most of the time. If the statistic of 70% divorce initiations by women is correct, and if most marriages these days are ending in divorce, then it only seems logical to me to forget about “let you have mistresses on the side”. Just have them if she decides to go the sexless shrew route, because honestly once it gets there the divorce papers are as good as served in time. The bitch is going to divorce you anyway, sooner or later, for no reason at all most likely except “I’m booooored….I’m not haaaaaapy”, so why worry about the inevitable and what you may mistakenly think will cause a divorce? Dude, if it ain’t a mistress, it will be something else far more trivial. Have a mistress, hell stack them like corded wood, they’re great fun.

      This is all assuming that a man gets married. You make a good case for avoiding the institution altogether.


      • YaReally
        on February 4, 2014 at 5:25 pm
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        lol I agree. I normally advocate for setting open honest relationship frames from the start and avoiding legal marriage to avoid drama and having to sneak around etc, but that’s for the guys getting into new relationships.

        The only time I’ll actively recommend sneaking around is in situs where the guy is “trapped” because he got legally married before discovering game or whatever and he’s too far in to turn the relationship’s frame around without immediately triggering divorce and possible custody loss of his kids.

        Any guy actively getting married in this day and age is fucking insane and/or ignorant. But social conditioning works…even a few of the biggest Naturals I know are looking forward to marriage. Just slip that noose around your neck guys, don’t worry it’ll be fun!



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Johnny Caustic
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Notice how she keeps returning to the theme that a man shouldn’t expect a woman to do anything to please him. “Being skinnier is not that high on our priority list.” “If we want abs, we’ll get them. But not for you.” “A girl who can’t cook.”

It’s a recurring leitmotif in female writing on relationships: if a woman does anything whatsoever to please a man or make him happy, she’s betraying the sisterhood. They’re teaching a philosophy of total selfishness: expect everything and give nothing in return. It’s not just laziness; some of them will work quite hard to avoid the appearance of generosity.

One thing too few people understand is that one must feel gratitude to feel happy; entitlement causes unhappiness. Women today are taught never to be grateful, which is why they’re all so miserable.


  • YaReally
    on February 3, 2014 at 7:41 pm
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    This. I’ve been experimenting with asking women what exactly they’re bringing to the table lol And when I get confronted with how I should settle down and get a girlfriend etc. I just say “Okay, sell me on it. Go!” It can be pretty entertaining.

    I love women, but a long-term monogamous relationship to me, especially a legalized one like marriage, just seems like adopting a child-like roommate that sucks half my resources away without offering much in return.

    I’ve said before, in the past getting married meant for a man that he was getting someone to raise his kids, take care of the housework, cook healthy meals for the family, take care of his sexual needs (or allow him mistresses), and generally keep shit running smooth on the homefront so he can focus on his career and making money to provide for them.

    These days getting married seems to mean the man still has to work a shit-load since his wife racked up a fuck-ton of debt when she was single, except now he also has to come home to do half the housework, cook half the meals or allow his family to eat unhealthy take-out/delivery, not get laid because his wife is too tired from work or gets too fat to be attractive, not be allowed to bang other chicks because she can no-fault divorce him for half his shit and custody of his kids, and on top of that his kids are raised by nannies or daycares, basically allowing strangers to raise his children and teach them about life, because his wife is busy working too.

    I fail to see the deal for the man here lol Like I don’t hate women, I don’t think they’re bad people, it’s just that they don’t seem to realize that the deal they’re offering is like saying “you lucky dog, I’m going to give you a chance to be my slave! Aren’t you excited for this opportunity??”

    Then contrast all that with the single lifestyle: Work just hard enough to secure your future and get by, doing a job you like because you had the freedom to risk a few years in the shitter to go the entrepreneur route, spend all your money on whatever you want, whenever you want, for whatever reason you want, devote a chunk of your ample free time to developing yourself mentally/physically and eating healthy, then slay a bunch of hot poon for free in casual relationships for as long as you like.

    I mean, ya, having kids would be cool and all. But in the current system, the way it’s designed, it doesn’t seem worth the risk and potential downsides.

    Now the question is: who’s going to cave first, in terms of revamping the deal on the table? The old spinster women with their 10 cats who feel like failures at life because their uteri have dried up and they’re growing old and lonely because no one has wanted them and their bastard children since they hit 35? …or the single guy loving his bachelor life, in the best shape of his life, with ample money to burn, working a job he likes, playing videogames all day or recreational sports with his buddies followed by beers and banging fuckbuddies?

    I plan to continue being patient until I see an offer I like. :)


    • YaReally
      on February 4, 2014 at 5:25 pm
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      lol I agree. I normally advocate for setting open honest relationship frames from the start and avoiding legal marriage to avoid drama and having to sneak around etc, but that’s for the guys getting into new relationships.

      The only time I’ll actively recommend sneaking around is in situs where the guy is “trapped” because he got legally married before discovering game or whatever and he’s too far in to turn the relationship’s frame around without immediately triggering divorce and possible custody loss of his kids.

      Any guy actively getting married in this day and age is fucking insane and/or ignorant. But social conditioning works…even a few of the biggest Naturals I know are looking forward to marriage. Just slip that noose around your neck guys, don’t worry it’ll be fun!



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Scray
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I’ve decided to just tell 8 the next time I see her about everything. Just like, totally come clean. I might even tell her I’m an aspiring PUA and my journey. I’ve been putting putting off seeing her by kinda lying and saying that I’m busy with work — lies beget more lies, for real.

I’m thinkin like……this coming Friday I’ll tell her.

The only reason I feel like I can’t go through with this is just because I’m afraid of this minor one-itis getting out of control. Lying to her about working a lot is just a sign that I feel the need to explain myself, i.e. a bad sign.


  • YaReally
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  • Matthew King
    on February 3, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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    I’ve decided to just tell 8 the next time I see her about everything. Just like, totally come clean. I might even tell her I’m an aspiring PUA and my journey.

    Good for you. Lying is for weaklings. Truth + Frame = Alpha.

    I don’t know who the “8″ is supposed to be, I don’t follow your online taxicab confessions. But it’s comparable to how Seattle pasted Denver in the Super Bowl yesterday: they didn’t try any fancy new trickery, they presented the same defense as they had all year, executed perfectly, and dared the most prolific passer to stop them. He couldn’t.

    When you have to present yourself as something other than you are, it is a sign you aren’t very much. The formerly omega PUA’s will counsel cowardice for newbies, project their loser selves at that stage into you, and assume truth is the worst possible policy.

    But the best advice is to put your energy into improvement rather than increasing layers of deception, and to not be deterred by rough waters in the beginning. The well-adjusted woman will take a diamond in the rough and contribute to its refinement rather than clamor for smaller but shinier micro jewels.

    Matt


    • YaReally
      on February 5, 2014 at 7:18 am
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      @Matt

      Mental masturbation as usual lol At least you’re consistent.

      “The formerly omega PUA’s will counsel cowardice for newbies, project their loser selves at that stage into you, and assume truth is the worst possible policy.”

      It’s not cowardice, we just understand human psychology. If he were to sit down and explain to her exactly what “PUA” is, the effect it’s had on his life, the benefits of it, and the misconceptions in the mainstream media and stereotypes, AND if she were open-minded enough to sit down and listen to him, with no preconceptions or biases/emotions involved and logically evaluate what PUA is, she would see it as a positive thing and love it.

      But realistically what will happen is he’ll get the first few seconds of explaining it out, it’ll trigger a bunch of rape culture articles she’s read and a bunch of mental images of fuzzy hat stereotypes and a bunch of uncalibrated offensive/awkward pickup attempts her and her girlfriends have experienced in the past, and she’ll lump him in with that garbage and not bother giving him a chance to explain the reality.

      It’s much the same way you, after years of being here rallying against PUA and it’s teachings, still don’t really understand what we teach because you revel in your ignorance and love to just make shit up to support your own points instead of doing any real learning.

      I’d say I’m surprised that you need this all explained to you, but not understanding how social interactions work is kind of a byproduct of not socializing so here you go.



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CH, on your weightlifting tweets. I’ve been lifting since I was 8. I had the Hulk Hogan workout tapes and poster that came with blue dumbbells. I wanted to be a professional baseball player. I’m a “hard gainer.” My natural weight when I’m ripped is like 140 or perhaps 155 now that I’m older. I’m 165 now and 10 pounds of it is belly fat. But of course you are right. There is no gene that will stop a man’s muscles from responding to resistance training. Of course no white man, not one in history, can never look like the average black man who lifts (an NFL wide receiver–the cut shoulders, waist, pecs etc) in the absence of steroids, but every body will respond positively and improve.

Here’s what sucks–now that I’m almost 39, I’m feeling the age limitations. I have NEVER gotten lazy, never taken more than a week off in 31 years of paying attention to fitness. I’m not one of those new years resolutionists who works out only in January. I have been able to do between 22 and 30 legit pullups (one set) from age 22 until…..the last 3 months. First time I did it I was 22 and did 24 pullups after my law school roommate bet me I could not do 20.

For the first time ever, I have some kind of weird soreness in my left biceps/forearm area. It is “guitar player’s elbow”, apparently, and it sucks. Been playing guitar for 4 years, but only lately I have this problem. Now I can’t do my beloved pullups, which I love to do. Was still going strong at 36. The aging between 36 and 39 is immense. Which is why it is amazing when a 36 year old is still in the NFL or even major league baseball, but it is SUUUUUPER AMAZING if a 39 year old is still playing. When I was 36 I still passed for 28. Only the last 3 years have the grey hairs and thinning hair come.

I’m totally clean. Never juiced. For the first time, I am feeling aches and pains. Had bad low back for long time, actually, but now the shoulder, biceps as mentioned, etc. First time ever I have not been able to lift hard and I’m doing more pushups and more of an “old man’s workout.” Can’t bench because of hurt shoulder.

Fatasses who never lifted or discovered it at age 28 as part of game are pathetic losers.

POint being, as I am not the real George Clooney, it sucks. I look good “for 39″ but I absolutely am invisible to a 22 year old hottie in a bar. And if I make my self visible to her by intruding on her and her friends, I will be seen as a creeper old guy at the bar IRREGARDLESS of whatever I say.

YaReally cannot dispute this; he’s 31 and has not experienced being 39 yet.


  • YaReally
    on February 3, 2014 at 5:07 pm
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    Oh, this’ll be fun. :)

    @Grim

    “Fatasses who never lifted or discovered it at age 28 as part of game are pathetic losers.”

    lol I guess we are. But you won’t see us writing a whiny-ass comment like this. Quit being a bitch lol

    I’ve had aches and pains since I hit 30 because I don’t exercise and drink too much and eat like shit. I’ve had girls fetch me a glass of water mid-bang because I got a cramp in my chest while we were fucking and had to take a break lol I just make them go on top if I’m too broken to fuck them hard. Actual txt I send: “k you can come over but you’re doing all the work. I’m tired as fuck.” 90% of a chick’s orgasm is mental anyway, you don’t have to be in wild stallion punish-her-cervix mode all the time, that’s just social conditioning telling you that you have to be able to thrust for half an hour to be a good lay.

    “POint being, as I am not the real George Clooney, it sucks.”

    The fact that this thought even enters your head is why 22yo hotties don’t want to fuck you. Your frame is weak as FUCK for a *39 YEAR OLD* man. You have 39 years of life experience, of being a badass boss who can do a million pull-ups every day, and you think some silly actor is more attractive than you? lol

    You know WHY your frame is shit, too? And this is the part that will fuck with your head: your frame is only shit because you built your self-worth around external attributes (ie – your physical shape and ability to do pull-ups etc.). That was misguided because no matter how healthy you try to stay, age will ALWAYS sabotage your physical abilities sooner or later…so because you view your value based on your ability to do pull-ups, you put a time limit on how long you can feel “attractive”, because Mother Nature will inevitably remove your ability to do pull-ups.

    The same thing happens with guys who value themselves based on their wealth and then lose their money in various circumstances…all their value has gone out the window because their self-worth was based on external shit that can be taken away.

    This is why we stress building a strong mental core and proper internal thinking so no matter what your external situation is (how in shape you are, how much money you have, how much hair you have, etc.), you still legitimately believe you are high value and congruently mean it. Like to where the notion that losing your hair would mean you were less attractive is like suggesting Matt King has seen a vagina. Literally my thought process if I gain a few pounds is “aw yeah, look at that, now I’m like a big bear, no wonder chicks love me, they can cuddle up to me and I’m like a beefy man who can protect them from harm like a boss”, and if I lose weight my thought process is “aw yeah, look at that, getting ripped as shit, I’m like Bruce Lee, soon as a chick gets my shirt off she’s gonna’ be like god I want to fuck him”.

    Because I base my self-worth internally, no matter what I do, to me I’m always awesome. And since women pick up on your sub-commmunications and ping off their environment to decide how they should feel, when I take a chick’s hand and rub it on my belly and tell her “that’s a MAN’s belly right there”, she loves it, because I love it.

    In fact, I am going to be linking to your comment anytime I run across the “you gotta’ have money/looks/etc. to get laid” conversations, as a real life example of exactly what happens to someone who bases their worth externally when that external attribute is taken away (you could keep your wealth into old age if you’re smart, but looks and physicality will ALWAYS be taken away by Father Time and Mother Nature).

    “I look good “for 39″ but I absolutely am invisible to a 22 year old hottie in a bar.”

    You are invisible because you stand back passively expecting your looks to get them to approach you. You go to the bar and stand around with your buddies wondering why girls aren’t coming up to feel your muscles like they did in your 20s, and every minute that passes by puts you more and more inside your head as you think back to that depressing pull-up bar and how it thwarted you that morning and how you see your entire future slipping through your hands as you cry like a baby inside, which radiates through your sub-communications to all the 22yo hotties around you because they expect a 39yo man to be rock fucking solid in who he is and confident to the core regardless of whether he can do 3 pull-ups or 30, and whether he has grey thinning hair or a full head, and whether he has a million dollars in the bank or just enough to get by and pursue his hobbies.

    You are basically the male equivalent of a chick hitting the wall, because you based your self-worth on your looks the way we base a woman’s self-worth on looks. You can change, but you have 39 years of hard-wiring thinking you’re better than all those pathetic losers who didn’t start lifting weights till they were 28 for pickup, so it would take a massive paradigm shift for you to ever consider that you’re more attractive than Clooney even if you can only do 3 pull-ups. You dug your own grave on this one and you’re too full of yourself to change.

    “And if I make my self visible to her by intruding on her and her friends, I will be seen as a creeper old guy at the bar IRREGARDLESS of whatever I say.”

    This is exactly WHY those 22yo hotties at the bar will see you as a creeper old guy irregardless of whatever you say…because YOU believe it. Because you don’t value yourself.

    Like, re-read what you wrote dude. Really really listen to yourself. Do you sound like a guy who thinks he’s attractive? Do you sound like a guy with 39 years of life experience, rock solid like a thick oak tree to his core knowing his worth? No, you sound like a 39yo woman at the bar hoping no one can see her wrinkles. Why would a 22yo hottie who’s surrounded by cocky young dudes who think they’re the shit, have any interest in you? You don’t even consider the things you say to have value…you’re a 39 year old MAN. EVERYTHING you say has value to a 22yo, you’ve fucking LIVED. She lives at home and works at fucking Starbucks. Your pull-up count doesn’t mean shit, but your view of your worth sure as shit does.

    “YaReally cannot dispute this; he’s 31 and has not experienced being 39 yet.”

    I’ve met guys in their 40s who are getting those 22yo hotties. Guys who aren’t jacked ripped rich celebrities. The difference between them and you is that they believe they have value and only gain more value with every passing day, whereas you view yourself as losing your value because you’ve based it on something that is, by nature, going to deteriorate.

    You are a warning, not an example. But thanks for sharing, because it’s good to see the internals of someone who’s actually gone down that wrong path to the end.

    You can turn this around but you’ll have a long journey ahead of you to do it judging on the way you write and how much of your ego you’ve invested in this “the number of pull-ups I do directly correlates to how attractive I am to hot girls in the bar” identity/belief. Start here:

    Time to evolve your game, internally and externally. Think of it as your next challenge, the same way you viewed doing 30 pull-ups a day as a challenge. Don’t give up and die an early death internally like a 39yo woman buying her 3rd cat…you’re a MAN. Adversity makes you harder.


    • Anonymous
      on February 3, 2014 at 10:47 pm
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      Real-talk, how did you manage to develop such a strong inner-frame even though you started at such a deficit? I read your history in regards to the kind of person you WERE starting out.

      Even then, it’s unfathomable how one can get such internals. I’m not doubting you at all but just wondering how to get there.

      Great post, btw.


      • YaReally
        on February 4, 2014 at 9:33 am
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        I went out a fuck-ton. When I started out I was out approaching 2-4 (sometimes more) nights/days a week. Even now it’s a regular part of my routine to go out every Fri/Sat night minimum.

        You just have to want it and put in the hours. My frame was weak as balls when I started out. My frame isn’t solid because I’m brainwashing myself into it, or putting up a front of “gotta’ seem like I have a solid frame to impress these guys!!”…my frame is solid because it’s backed up by tons of hours in the field collecting tons of reference experiences.

        Hell, I just moved to a new city and I have to start everything over from scratch: social circles, fuckbuddies, general status in the nightlife, I’m starting from scratch all over again, and I’m in my early 30s now. But am I sitting inside whining about how it’s haaaaard? Am I going out getting wasted with my buddies and doing an occasional shit-faced approach I can barely remember on some easy 6? No, I’m hitting the streets/bars 4 nights a week with a buddy, sober, immersing ourselves while we methodically attack the weak spots in our game and push eachother out of our comfort zones.

        That’s why when some keyboard jockey rants about how “trust me, (insert insecurity) matters!” I can adamantly say no, it doesn’t, because I’ve got a fuck-ton of reference experiences first-hand, second-hand, etc. of it not mattering, so to me it’s not open for debate/theorizing because if they had put in the hours I’ve put in, they’d have seen/experienced the things I have and they would know “ya, that was a silly limiting belief I had”.

        I can link videos of a 5 foot tall guy macking on girls, or an indian or asian guy macking on girls, or an ugly balding ginger with a nasally voice macking on girls, or a fat guy macking on girls, and guys who don’t go out will just rationalize it all away with “oh they paid those girls, they’re actresses” and “oh those girls were probably drunk” and “oh well that girl was just horny” etc. Anything to avoid accepting that if they put in the time/effort, they could get the same results, but the reason they haven’t gotten them is because they’re lazy and lack the drive to overcome their limiting beliefs.

        Anyone can achieve strong internals…but you don’t get strong internals by reading or theorizing or watching videos. You get them by going out there and pushing your comfort zone and collecting reference experiences, good and bad. That’s why I don’t cut the armchair theorists any slack…they are literally unable to comprehend why their mental masturbation isn’t given the same credit as the reports from the guys going out.

        Field experience is, and will always be, king.


        • Anonymous
          on February 5, 2014 at 4:25 am
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          Thank you for taking the time to explain that, Ya.

          You are having a positive impact on a lot of guys, more than you realize.


          • YaReally
            on February 5, 2014 at 7:20 am
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            No prob. Just payin’ it forward ’cause the PUA community helped me when I needed it. The old me could never have comprehended the lifestyle I currently live, and I don’t feel like I’ve even hit my peak yet lol


    • Grim
      on February 4, 2014 at 1:21 pm
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      Ya I like being healthy. I went out last night and feel terrible because I inhaled a bunch of second-hand smoke sent into the air by losers. Kids who should have known better than to ever smoke that first cigarette. We had a program in school way back in 1983 that showed what a cigarette does to a lung for christ’s sake. So now I will not go out again for a while, to atone for that second hand smoke and lack of sleep.


      • YaReally
        on February 4, 2014 at 8:12 pm
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        @Grim

        If you wanted it bad enough, you’d hold your breath.

        I’m not saying you have to do that, maybe you have other priorities and that’s cool, but then you have to accept that your lack of 22yo hotties on your dick isn’t because your age is actually a factor, it’s because you are lazy and apathetic in this area of your life and you are actively choosing to half-ass it then make excuses and hide behind a victim mentality.



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Scray
on February 2, 2014 at 1:19 pm
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I’ve decided to just tell 8 the next time I see her about everything. Just like, totally come clean. I might even tell her I’m an aspiring PUA and my journey. I’ve been putting putting off seeing her by kinda lying and saying that I’m busy with work — lies beget more lies, for real.

I’m thinkin like……this coming Friday I’ll tell her.

The only reason I feel like I can’t go through with this is just because I’m afraid of this minor one-itis getting out of control. Lying to her about working a lot is just a sign that I feel the need to explain myself, i.e. a bad sign.


  • YaReally
    on February 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm
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    Now THAT’S social suicide.

    This is what a PUA is to 99% of the population, like the friends/social circles of hers she’ll tell about you:

    http://jezebel.com/redditors-pua-kickstarter-project-recommends-sexual-as-514264056

    http://www.xojane.com/issues/are-pickup-artists-contributing-rape-culture

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/annanorth/do-pickup-artist-techniques-lead-to-sexual-assault

    First two rules of Fight Club, yo.


  • Matthew King
    on February 3, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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    I’ve decided to just tell 8 the next time I see her about everything. Just like, totally come clean. I might even tell her I’m an aspiring PUA and my journey.

    Good for you. Lying is for weaklings. Truth + Frame = Alpha.

    I don’t know who the “8” is supposed to be, I don’t follow your online taxicab confessions. But it’s comparable to how Seattle pasted Denver in the Super Bowl yesterday: they didn’t try any fancy new trickery, they presented the same defense as they had all year, executed perfectly, and dared the most prolific passer to stop them. He couldn’t.

    When you have to present yourself as something other than you are, it is a sign you aren’t very much. The formerly omega PUA’s will counsel cowardice for newbies, project their loser selves at that stage into you, and assume truth is the worst possible policy.

    But the best advice is to put your energy into improvement rather than increasing layers of deception, and to not be deterred by rough waters in the beginning. The well-adjusted woman will take a diamond in the rough and contribute to its refinement rather than clamor for smaller but shinier micro jewels.

    Matt


    • YaReally
      on February 5, 2014 at 7:18 am
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      @Matt

      Mental masturbation as usual lol At least you’re consistent.

      “The formerly omega PUA’s will counsel cowardice for newbies, project their loser selves at that stage into you, and assume truth is the worst possible policy.”

      It’s not cowardice, we just understand human psychology. If he were to sit down and explain to her exactly what “PUA” is, the effect it’s had on his life, the benefits of it, and the misconceptions in the mainstream media and stereotypes, AND if she were open-minded enough to sit down and listen to him, with no preconceptions or biases/emotions involved and logically evaluate what PUA is, she would see it as a positive thing and love it.

      But realistically what will happen is he’ll get the first few seconds of explaining it out, it’ll trigger a bunch of rape culture articles she’s read and a bunch of mental images of fuzzy hat stereotypes and a bunch of uncalibrated offensive/awkward pickup attempts her and her girlfriends have experienced in the past, and she’ll lump him in with that garbage and not bother giving him a chance to explain the reality.

      It’s much the same way you, after years of being here rallying against PUA and it’s teachings, still don’t really understand what we teach because you revel in your ignorance and love to just make shit up to support your own points instead of doing any real learning.

      I’d say I’m surprised that you need this all explained to you, but not understanding how social interactions work is kind of a byproduct of not socializing so here you go.



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Grim
on February 3, 2014 at 1:11 pm
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CH, on your weightlifting tweets. I’ve been lifting since I was 8. I had the Hulk Hogan workout tapes and poster that came with blue dumbbells. I wanted to be a professional baseball player. I’m a “hard gainer.” My natural weight when I’m ripped is like 140 or perhaps 155 now that I’m older. I’m 165 now and 10 pounds of it is belly fat. But of course you are right. There is no gene that will stop a man’s muscles from responding to resistance training. Of course no white man, not one in history, can never look like the average black man who lifts (an NFL wide receiver–the cut shoulders, waist, pecs etc) in the absence of steroids, but every body will respond positively and improve.

Here’s what sucks–now that I’m almost 39, I’m feeling the age limitations. I have NEVER gotten lazy, never taken more than a week off in 31 years of paying attention to fitness. I’m not one of those new years resolutionists who works out only in January. I have been able to do between 22 and 30 legit pullups (one set) from age 22 until…..the last 3 months. First time I did it I was 22 and did 24 pullups after my law school roommate bet me I could not do 20.

For the first time ever, I have some kind of weird soreness in my left biceps/forearm area. It is “guitar player’s elbow”, apparently, and it sucks. Been playing guitar for 4 years, but only lately I have this problem. Now I can’t do my beloved pullups, which I love to do. Was still going strong at 36. The aging between 36 and 39 is immense. Which is why it is amazing when a 36 year old is still in the NFL or even major league baseball, but it is SUUUUUPER AMAZING if a 39 year old is still playing. When I was 36 I still passed for 28. Only the last 3 years have the grey hairs and thinning hair come.

I’m totally clean. Never juiced. For the first time, I am feeling aches and pains. Had bad low back for long time, actually, but now the shoulder, biceps as mentioned, etc. First time ever I have not been able to lift hard and I’m doing more pushups and more of an “old man’s workout.” Can’t bench because of hurt shoulder.

Fatasses who never lifted or discovered it at age 28 as part of game are pathetic losers.

POint being, as I am not the real George Clooney, it sucks. I look good “for 39″ but I absolutely am invisible to a 22 year old hottie in a bar. And if I make my self visible to her by intruding on her and her friends, I will be seen as a creeper old guy at the bar IRREGARDLESS of whatever I say.

YaReally cannot dispute this; he’s 31 and has not experienced being 39 yet.


  • YaReally
    on February 3, 2014 at 5:07 pm
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    Oh, this’ll be fun. :)

    @Grim

    “Fatasses who never lifted or discovered it at age 28 as part of game are pathetic losers.”

    lol I guess we are. But you won’t see us writing a whiny-ass comment like this. Quit being a bitch lol

    I’ve had aches and pains since I hit 30 because I don’t exercise and drink too much and eat like shit. I’ve had girls fetch me a glass of water mid-bang because I got a cramp in my chest while we were fucking and had to take a break lol I just make them go on top if I’m too broken to fuck them hard. Actual txt I send: “k you can come over but you’re doing all the work. I’m tired as fuck.” 90% of a chick’s orgasm is mental anyway, you don’t have to be in wild stallion punish-her-cervix mode all the time, that’s just social conditioning telling you that you have to be able to thrust for half an hour to be a good lay.

    “POint being, as I am not the real George Clooney, it sucks.”

    The fact that this thought even enters your head is why 22yo hotties don’t want to fuck you. Your frame is weak as FUCK for a *39 YEAR OLD* man. You have 39 years of life experience, of being a badass boss who can do a million pull-ups every day, and you think some silly actor is more attractive than you? lol

    You know WHY your frame is shit, too? And this is the part that will fuck with your head: your frame is only shit because you built your self-worth around external attributes (ie – your physical shape and ability to do pull-ups etc.). That was misguided because no matter how healthy you try to stay, age will ALWAYS sabotage your physical abilities sooner or later…so because you view your value based on your ability to do pull-ups, you put a time limit on how long you can feel “attractive”, because Mother Nature will inevitably remove your ability to do pull-ups.

    The same thing happens with guys who value themselves based on their wealth and then lose their money in various circumstances…all their value has gone out the window because their self-worth was based on external shit that can be taken away.

    This is why we stress building a strong mental core and proper internal thinking so no matter what your external situation is (how in shape you are, how much money you have, how much hair you have, etc.), you still legitimately believe you are high value and congruently mean it. Like to where the notion that losing your hair would mean you were less attractive is like suggesting Matt King has seen a vagina. Literally my thought process if I gain a few pounds is “aw yeah, look at that, now I’m like a big bear, no wonder chicks love me, they can cuddle up to me and I’m like a beefy man who can protect them from harm like a boss”, and if I lose weight my thought process is “aw yeah, look at that, getting ripped as shit, I’m like Bruce Lee, soon as a chick gets my shirt off she’s gonna’ be like god I want to fuck him”.

    Because I base my self-worth internally, no matter what I do, to me I’m always awesome. And since women pick up on your sub-commmunications and ping off their environment to decide how they should feel, when I take a chick’s hand and rub it on my belly and tell her “that’s a MAN’s belly right there”, she loves it, because I love it.

    In fact, I am going to be linking to your comment anytime I run across the “you gotta’ have money/looks/etc. to get laid” conversations, as a real life example of exactly what happens to someone who bases their worth externally when that external attribute is taken away (you could keep your wealth into old age if you’re smart, but looks and physicality will ALWAYS be taken away by Father Time and Mother Nature).

    “I look good “for 39″ but I absolutely am invisible to a 22 year old hottie in a bar.”

    You are invisible because you stand back passively expecting your looks to get them to approach you. You go to the bar and stand around with your buddies wondering why girls aren’t coming up to feel your muscles like they did in your 20s, and every minute that passes by puts you more and more inside your head as you think back to that depressing pull-up bar and how it thwarted you that morning and how you see your entire future slipping through your hands as you cry like a baby inside, which radiates through your sub-communications to all the 22yo hotties around you because they expect a 39yo man to be rock fucking solid in who he is and confident to the core regardless of whether he can do 3 pull-ups or 30, and whether he has grey thinning hair or a full head, and whether he has a million dollars in the bank or just enough to get by and pursue his hobbies.

    You are basically the male equivalent of a chick hitting the wall, because you based your self-worth on your looks the way we base a woman’s self-worth on looks. You can change, but you have 39 years of hard-wiring thinking you’re better than all those pathetic losers who didn’t start lifting weights till they were 28 for pickup, so it would take a massive paradigm shift for you to ever consider that you’re more attractive than Clooney even if you can only do 3 pull-ups. You dug your own grave on this one and you’re too full of yourself to change.

    “And if I make my self visible to her by intruding on her and her friends, I will be seen as a creeper old guy at the bar IRREGARDLESS of whatever I say.”

    This is exactly WHY those 22yo hotties at the bar will see you as a creeper old guy irregardless of whatever you say…because YOU believe it. Because you don’t value yourself.

    Like, re-read what you wrote dude. Really really listen to yourself. Do you sound like a guy who thinks he’s attractive? Do you sound like a guy with 39 years of life experience, rock solid like a thick oak tree to his core knowing his worth? No, you sound like a 39yo woman at the bar hoping no one can see her wrinkles. Why would a 22yo hottie who’s surrounded by cocky young dudes who think they’re the shit, have any interest in you? You don’t even consider the things you say to have value…you’re a 39 year old MAN. EVERYTHING you say has value to a 22yo, you’ve fucking LIVED. She lives at home and works at fucking Starbucks. Your pull-up count doesn’t mean shit, but your view of your worth sure as shit does.

    “YaReally cannot dispute this; he’s 31 and has not experienced being 39 yet.”

    I’ve met guys in their 40s who are getting those 22yo hotties. Guys who aren’t jacked ripped rich celebrities. The difference between them and you is that they believe they have value and only gain more value with every passing day, whereas you view yourself as losing your value because you’ve based it on something that is, by nature, going to deteriorate.

    You are a warning, not an example. But thanks for sharing, because it’s good to see the internals of someone who’s actually gone down that wrong path to the end.

    You can turn this around but you’ll have a long journey ahead of you to do it judging on the way you write and how much of your ego you’ve invested in this “the number of pull-ups I do directly correlates to how attractive I am to hot girls in the bar” identity/belief. Start here:

    Time to evolve your game, internally and externally. Think of it as your next challenge, the same way you viewed doing 30 pull-ups a day as a challenge. Don’t give up and die an early death internally like a 39yo woman buying her 3rd cat…you’re a MAN. Adversity makes you harder.


    • YaReally
      on February 4, 2014 at 9:33 am
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      I went out a fuck-ton. When I started out I was out approaching 2-4 (sometimes more) nights/days a week. Even now it’s a regular part of my routine to go out every Fri/Sat night minimum.

      You just have to want it and put in the hours. My frame was weak as balls when I started out. My frame isn’t solid because I’m brainwashing myself into it, or putting up a front of “gotta’ seem like I have a solid frame to impress these guys!!”…my frame is solid because it’s backed up by tons of hours in the field collecting tons of reference experiences.

      Hell, I just moved to a new city and I have to start everything over from scratch: social circles, fuckbuddies, general status in the nightlife, I’m starting from scratch all over again, and I’m in my early 30s now. But am I sitting inside whining about how it’s haaaaard? Am I going out getting wasted with my buddies and doing an occasional shit-faced approach I can barely remember on some easy 6? No, I’m hitting the streets/bars 4 nights a week with a buddy, sober, immersing ourselves while we methodically attack the weak spots in our game and push eachother out of our comfort zones.

      That’s why when some keyboard jockey rants about how “trust me, (insert insecurity) matters!” I can adamantly say no, it doesn’t, because I’ve got a fuck-ton of reference experiences first-hand, second-hand, etc. of it not mattering, so to me it’s not open for debate/theorizing because if they had put in the hours I’ve put in, they’d have seen/experienced the things I have and they would know “ya, that was a silly limiting belief I had”.

      I can link videos of a 5 foot tall guy macking on girls, or an indian or asian guy macking on girls, or an ugly balding ginger with a nasally voice macking on girls, or a fat guy macking on girls, and guys who don’t go out will just rationalize it all away with “oh they paid those girls, they’re actresses” and “oh those girls were probably drunk” and “oh well that girl was just horny” etc. Anything to avoid accepting that if they put in the time/effort, they could get the same results, but the reason they haven’t gotten them is because they’re lazy and lack the drive to overcome their limiting beliefs.

      Anyone can achieve strong internals…but you don’t get strong internals by reading or theorizing or watching videos. You get them by going out there and pushing your comfort zone and collecting reference experiences, good and bad. That’s why I don’t cut the armchair theorists any slack…they are literally unable to comprehend why their mental masturbation isn’t given the same credit as the reports from the guys going out.

      Field experience is, and will always be, king.


    • YaReally
      on February 4, 2014 at 8:12 pm
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      @Grim

      If you wanted it bad enough, you’d hold your breath.

      I’m not saying you have to do that, maybe you have other priorities and that’s cool, but then you have to accept that your lack of 22yo hotties on your dick isn’t because your age is actually a factor, it’s because you are lazy and apathetic in this area of your life and you are actively choosing to half-ass it then make excuses and hide behind a victim mentality.


    • YaReally
      on February 5, 2014 at 7:20 am
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      No prob. Just payin’ it forward ’cause the PUA community helped me when I needed it. The old me could never have comprehended the lifestyle I currently live, and I don’t feel like I’ve even hit my peak yet lol



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Customer Service
on February 1, 2014 at 12:03 pm
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In regards to Scray’s comment, the only way you get pussy by acting beta is if you’re really good looking or dating girls with low SMV. I’m not sure how that got past the editor’s here at Le Chateau. Wouldn’t work for top tier girls.


  • Scray
    on February 1, 2014 at 4:10 pm
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    It’s cool, I can break it down. Beta guys don’t get pussy, but they do get a lot of face time with women = fact. Women who are hotter will fucking weed you out extremely fast, and doubly so in the context of cold approach. When you are pretty far out of your looks league….face time with a girl is your best friend. But you need to isolate her to get a fair shake. So ya, you play right into that initial ‘this is a guy who will buy me some drinks and I can use him for awhile and not give him much, if any, sex. why not go on a date or something.’

    Fine — who gives a shit.

    On the date, now that she’s alone without a) her friends to judge her b) distracting club bullshit and c) in an environment where (hopefully) you have high value, you can start pouring in the alpha. Bit by bit. Still pay for her drink or whatever. Give lip service to some beta shit, but increasingly sub in the alpha. Now she should start to think that this is great — you’re a guy who’s “kind of cute” or somewhat attractive, who also will be there with her. Suddenly, maybe you’re not so bad.

    Then the next time, you go more alpha — still pay lip service to beta shit — and then you’ll get the value/attraction you need to fuck her fairly soon.

    Maybe as a theory this will fail, but it’s worked pretty great this one time I’ve done it (fell into it, really).

    Yareally is right that this is like………snorting cocaine. It’s a short-term thing that really won’t help develop your inner game from where it is currently. So ya, it’s bad for you…but ya, I’m pretty sure it would work if I did it again. It also matches up with evo-psych.

    The social circle stuff would just be a bonus.

    It’s more subtle than just ‘act beta.’


    • FamilyMan
      on February 1, 2014 at 4:28 pm
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      Sounds totally fine to me, unobjectionable. Of course you act differently with people you just met than those you have gotten to know better. And that’s likely how the girl will see it, or you can just frame it that way if she ever questions the congruency.

      In life you are not actually any of the personalities you project. You are allowed to choose them and change them. “Be yourself” — which self?

      What’s YaReally’s issue with it — that you can’t keep comfort with this girl while being alpha on first meeting? Maybe that will come with experience, but that experience will come because of the face time YOU get with hot girls this way.


      • YaReally
        on February 1, 2014 at 5:58 pm
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        “What’s YaReally’s issue with it”

        His internals when he first proposed it were shit. “I’m gonna promise her commitment then fuck her over and lie to her friends that she’s a crazy bitch and make them fight hahaha revenge on women!!!!!”

        The way he’s described it here, I have no problems with.

        There are other issues that will come up tho:

        1) he won’t keep her because he hasn’t earned her internally and if she’s hot she’ll sniff that out. As a hot girl she’s designed to sniff out guys who can’t handle her long term. It’s like skipping to the final boss in a fighting game without knowing all the moves. Ya you for to the boss and you’ll win a few matches but you will probably get smoked eventually.

        2) he will get one-itis from spending so much time with her, esp if they aren’t fucking right away. That’s just how humans work. The longer it takes to bang her the more attached he’ll get. He’ll stop going out and obsess over her and then convince himself she’s better than other girls since his entire plan is based on “I can’t treat her like other girls, she’s DIFFERENT you guise”. This is really just mild one-itis combined with a lack of entitlement.

        3) who’s been playing the frame longer? The hot girl juggling beta orbiters and sucking resources out of them without putting out since she grew tits at 14 and has had a thousand orbiters chase her, or the guy who’s been alpha for about a year and is actively sabotaging that on purpose at the start of the relationship so he’s basically starting climbing the hill from a hole instead of level ground. Realistically who’s likely to fall I to who’s frame and get their way?

        4) “Fake it till you make it” works for beta behavior as well as alpha behavior.


        • FamilyMan
          on February 1, 2014 at 6:21 pm
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          Yes you’ve got some fair points …

          (1) yes he may lose, but that’s the point of avoiding oneitis and outcome dependence.

          (2) if the girl is good enough that you get oneitis, then at least you’re having fun. And it can be an important step in development of inner game — to make her a plate even though most guys would die for her. You can’t take that step until you actually face the situation.

          (3) see (1)

          (4) sure, but you’ve got to have several personalities in your toolkit. Push-pull requires a push personality and a pull personality, for example.


          • YaReally
            on February 1, 2014 at 6:55 pm
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            1) the point is he’ll lose without learning anything. Just like poor people winning the lottery end up poor again because they didn’t magically gain financial management skills since they cheated the system.

            2) the point is he won’t make her a plate. No one makes their one-itis a place. It’s not called plate-itis or multi-itis.

            3) see 1. The experience he’ll get won’t be solidifying his own frame as a man, it’ll be experience playing inside her frame. If he manages not to get one-itis he could avoid it, but he’s already GOT mild one-itis, it’s just clearly disguised so he doesn’t recognize it. It’s like saying an alcoholic will be able to drink 2 drinks then stop while spending the rest of the night in a bar with free alcohol. Sure, it’s possible, but it’s pretty unlikely when he’s purposely stacking the deck against it.

            4) it sounds like you might be more concerned with his lay count than his personal development. If anything he should GFTOW and THEN execute this plan on her, because she won’t seem as special.

            Aaaand now I’m off to the bar. Happy Saturday all


        • darkhorse
          on February 2, 2014 at 2:05 am
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          You can’t cheat the game. It’s just lying to yourself. Ultimately you lose. Embracing that truth is the penultimate DHV.


          • YaReally
            on February 2, 2014 at 8:31 pm
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            “You -can- cheat the game very effectively, if your goal is to score casual sex from hot girls. You can’t cheat developing further as a man.”

            Yep. If your goal is just getting sex from hot chicks, it’s a helluva lot faster/easier to just buy hookers. A lot of the guys doing that don’t see anything wrong with it because they don’t care about the self-development side of pickup.

            The early pickup community (and a lot of pickup communities still) was based around lay counts and batting averages and shit, and it created a lot of guys with great externals and weak internals. Ideally I’d like to see new guys build a strong internal foundation from the start because it’s going to be a faster route to long-term success even if the rewards aren’t as instantly gratifying as just paying a hooker or telling women you’re a doctor who wants to marry them and take them to Paris.


    • Customer Service
      on February 1, 2014 at 5:42 pm
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      That’s an interesting theory… playing the beta dope with a girl far above you in looks. I’m a pretty ugly guy myself, I can see this working. How long do you have to play the beta card for… hours… days? I suspect you do something like offer a dinner at a good restaurant? I need to work on being nicer to girls – if you have any more tips they’re appreciated.


      • YaReally
        on February 1, 2014 at 6:21 pm
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        “with a girl far above you in looks.”

        This is sort of the crux of the issue. He’s still subscribing to society’s value system because he hasn’t had enough reference experience to break out of it. Because he’s trapped in a frame where he thinks she’s “above” him because she has nice tits, he’s not going to have the internals to keep her or possibly even get the bang.

        As long as he continues to think “I know you say looks don’t matter buuuuuuut…” he’s not in the right mindset to get/keep the really hot girls.

        This is actually the problem the PUA community had early on, Tyler talks about it at the start of the Blueprint. The early PUA stuff was based on “she’s up here and I’m down here so I have to raise myself up or bring her down so she views me as equal/superior” instead of the current superior inner game mentalities of “there’s no reason I’m not enough” and “I have higher value just because I have a penis.”



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Customer Service
on February 1, 2014 at 12:03 pm
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In regards to Scray’s comment, the only way you get pussy by acting beta is if you’re really good looking or dating girls with low SMV. I’m not sure how that got past the editor’s here at Le Chateau. Wouldn’t work for top tier girls.


  • Scray
    on February 1, 2014 at 4:10 pm
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    It’s cool, I can break it down. Beta guys don’t get pussy, but they do get a lot of face time with women = fact. Women who are hotter will fucking weed you out extremely fast, and doubly so in the context of cold approach. When you are pretty far out of your looks league….face time with a girl is your best friend. But you need to isolate her to get a fair shake. So ya, you play right into that initial ‘this is a guy who will buy me some drinks and I can use him for awhile and not give him much, if any, sex. why not go on a date or something.’

    Fine — who gives a shit.

    On the date, now that she’s alone without a) her friends to judge her b) distracting club bullshit and c) in an environment where (hopefully) you have high value, you can start pouring in the alpha. Bit by bit. Still pay for her drink or whatever. Give lip service to some beta shit, but increasingly sub in the alpha. Now she should start to think that this is great — you’re a guy who’s “kind of cute” or somewhat attractive, who also will be there with her. Suddenly, maybe you’re not so bad.

    Then the next time, you go more alpha — still pay lip service to beta shit — and then you’ll get the value/attraction you need to fuck her fairly soon.

    Maybe as a theory this will fail, but it’s worked pretty great this one time I’ve done it (fell into it, really).

    Yareally is right that this is like………snorting cocaine. It’s a short-term thing that really won’t help develop your inner game from where it is currently. So ya, it’s bad for you…but ya, I’m pretty sure it would work if I did it again. It also matches up with evo-psych.

    The social circle stuff would just be a bonus.

    It’s more subtle than just ‘act beta.’


    • YaReally
      on February 1, 2014 at 5:58 pm
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      “What’s YaReally’s issue with it”

      His internals when he first proposed it were shit. “I’m gonna promise her commitment then fuck her over and lie to her friends that she’s a crazy bitch and make them fight hahaha revenge on women!!!!!”

      The way he’s described it here, I have no problems with.

      There are other issues that will come up tho:

      1) he won’t keep her because he hasn’t earned her internally and if she’s hot she’ll sniff that out. As a hot girl she’s designed to sniff out guys who can’t handle her long term. It’s like skipping to the final boss in a fighting game without knowing all the moves. Ya you for to the boss and you’ll win a few matches but you will probably get smoked eventually.

      2) he will get one-itis from spending so much time with her, esp if they aren’t fucking right away. That’s just how humans work. The longer it takes to bang her the more attached he’ll get. He’ll stop going out and obsess over her and then convince himself she’s better than other girls since his entire plan is based on “I can’t treat her like other girls, she’s DIFFERENT you guise”. This is really just mild one-itis combined with a lack of entitlement.

      3) who’s been playing the frame longer? The hot girl juggling beta orbiters and sucking resources out of them without putting out since she grew tits at 14 and has had a thousand orbiters chase her, or the guy who’s been alpha for about a year and is actively sabotaging that on purpose at the start of the relationship so he’s basically starting climbing the hill from a hole instead of level ground. Realistically who’s likely to fall I to who’s frame and get their way?

      4) “Fake it till you make it” works for beta behavior as well as alpha behavior.


    • YaReally
      on February 1, 2014 at 6:21 pm
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      “with a girl far above you in looks.”

      This is sort of the crux of the issue. He’s still subscribing to society’s value system because he hasn’t had enough reference experience to break out of it. Because he’s trapped in a frame where he thinks she’s “above” him because she has nice tits, he’s not going to have the internals to keep her or possibly even get the bang.

      As long as he continues to think “I know you say looks don’t matter buuuuuuut…” he’s not in the right mindset to get/keep the really hot girls.

      This is actually the problem the PUA community had early on, Tyler talks about it at the start of the Blueprint. The early PUA stuff was based on “she’s up here and I’m down here so I have to raise myself up or bring her down so she views me as equal/superior” instead of the current superior inner game mentalities of “there’s no reason I’m not enough” and “I have higher value just because I have a penis.”


    • YaReally
      on February 1, 2014 at 6:55 pm
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      1) the point is he’ll lose without learning anything. Just like poor people winning the lottery end up poor again because they didn’t magically gain financial management skills since they cheated the system.

      2) the point is he won’t make her a plate. No one makes their one-itis a place. It’s not called plate-itis or multi-itis.

      3) see 1. The experience he’ll get won’t be solidifying his own frame as a man, it’ll be experience playing inside her frame. If he manages not to get one-itis he could avoid it, but he’s already GOT mild one-itis, it’s just clearly disguised so he doesn’t recognize it. It’s like saying an alcoholic will be able to drink 2 drinks then stop while spending the rest of the night in a bar with free alcohol. Sure, it’s possible, but it’s pretty unlikely when he’s purposely stacking the deck against it.

      4) it sounds like you might be more concerned with his lay count than his personal development. If anything he should GFTOW and THEN execute this plan on her, because she won’t seem as special.

      Aaaand now I’m off to the bar. Happy Saturday all


    • YaReally
      on February 2, 2014 at 8:31 pm
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      “You -can- cheat the game very effectively, if your goal is to score casual sex from hot girls. You can’t cheat developing further as a man.”

      Yep. If your goal is just getting sex from hot chicks, it’s a helluva lot faster/easier to just buy hookers. A lot of the guys doing that don’t see anything wrong with it because they don’t care about the self-development side of pickup.

      The early pickup community (and a lot of pickup communities still) was based around lay counts and batting averages and shit, and it created a lot of guys with great externals and weak internals. Ideally I’d like to see new guys build a strong internal foundation from the start because it’s going to be a faster route to long-term success even if the rewards aren’t as instantly gratifying as just paying a hooker or telling women you’re a doctor who wants to marry them and take them to Paris.



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As someone who was just recently royally played by my ex gf who i would describe as a psychopath emotional vampire…the idea of Scray’s manipulation game frankly seems like something girls would do for attention.

Also, i personally don’t see this as “game” because it seems like so much work to do the “triangulation” thing.

Isn’t it far better to develop competitive anxiety through confidence in your social circle rather than “snake in the grass” game?

I’m all for getting a girl’s hamster going but this seems more “gamma” than game.


  • Scray
    on February 2, 2014 at 1:09 pm
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    lol try it. You might be surprised at how easy it is. The only reason this is bad is because you’re internals won’t develop and you know…..the general question of “is this ethical?”

    idk, I’m in this to explore as much as I can. The good side, the dark side, whatever. Pursuit of virtuosity and all of that.


    • YaReally
      on February 2, 2014 at 8:43 pm
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      The question is how many abortions, suicides, mentally-scarred/damaged chicks, broken families/marriages/relationships, etc. you can carry on your conscience while you explore that dark side.

      I can tell you right now that it’s a lot less than you’d expect.

      Ever wonder why Naturals (who tend to just take what they want without giving a shit about the possible consequences) often go through super manic ups and downs, with a shitload of suicidal thoughts on those down-turns?

      Do good in the world, make people glad they met you, and help them. The other path doesn’t end well. Dabble with it, but be ready to pull the chute before you go too far. But all I can do is warn you and hope shit works out for ya.


    • cortesar
      on February 2, 2014 at 11:12 pm
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      Who cares for ethic, that was something invented by crazy Greeks
      Do not even let a thousand of dead to separate you from your next pussy
      When you peruse “virtuosity and all of that” you should not be measured by ordinary standards of decency
      God, just to think that such a crap would interfere with making of an virtuoso…


      • walawala
        on February 3, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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        @Cortesar the point here isn’t whether women a douchebags…they are. They point is whether by YOU creating drama for them whether you’re actually just needlessly creating situations for yourself that are no fun to deal with.

        Dude, i’m still struggling with the aftermath of a complete lying, cheating manipulating cunt. But as YaReally has rightfully pointed out to me and that has finally sunk in is that there really is no way to get even without destroying yourself in the process or delaying your own recovery in the process or enjoying any learnings or gains you’ve made in your personal development…in the process of what Scray is proposing.


        • Grim
          on February 3, 2014 at 1:13 pm
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          give update on ex. why do you keep saying that? turns out she was playing you?


          • YaReally
            on February 3, 2014 at 5:27 pm
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            “3) telling a girl who screwed you over like this to “fuck off” feels awesome and is the only way I could think of to get my balls back regardless of whether this appears “butthurt”.”

            The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference. All news is good news. Quit saying ANYTHING to her. She doesn’t exist to you. You need to learn to be able to cut a woman out of your life if she doesn’t get with the program or you will end up still re-hashing this story 3 years from now with “and she just txted me last week so I told her “nope not interested!” and it felt so awesome”. She doesn’t exist anymore, time to move on.


          • YaReally
            on February 3, 2014 at 5:28 pm
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            (I know you say you’ve got other plates and have moved on etc., but I just want to stress it because I don’t want to see you posting in a month “so I’m thinking of inviting her to this party, is it a good idea?” lol)


          • YaReally
            on February 3, 2014 at 5:53 pm
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            @Scray

            Well done, Grasshopper.



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on February 2, 2014 at 1:04 am
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As someone who was just recently royally played by my ex gf who i would describe as a psychopath emotional vampire…the idea of Scray’s manipulation game frankly seems like something girls would do for attention.

Also, i personally don’t see this as “game” because it seems like so much work to do the “triangulation” thing.

Isn’t it far better to develop competitive anxiety through confidence in your social circle rather than “snake in the grass” game?

I’m all for getting a girl’s hamster going but this seems more “gamma” than game.


  • Scray
    on February 2, 2014 at 1:09 pm
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    lol try it. You might be surprised at how easy it is. The only reason this is bad is because you’re internals won’t develop and you know…..the general question of “is this ethical?”

    idk, I’m in this to explore as much as I can. The good side, the dark side, whatever. Pursuit of virtuosity and all of that.


    • YaReally
      on February 2, 2014 at 8:43 pm
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      The question is how many abortions, suicides, mentally-scarred/damaged chicks, broken families/marriages/relationships, etc. you can carry on your conscience while you explore that dark side.

      I can tell you right now that it’s a lot less than you’d expect.

      Ever wonder why Naturals (who tend to just take what they want without giving a shit about the possible consequences) often go through super manic ups and downs, with a shitload of suicidal thoughts on those down-turns?

      Do good in the world, make people glad they met you, and help them. The other path doesn’t end well. Dabble with it, but be ready to pull the chute before you go too far. But all I can do is warn you and hope shit works out for ya.


    • YaReally
      on February 3, 2014 at 5:27 pm
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      “3) telling a girl who screwed you over like this to “fuck off” feels awesome and is the only way I could think of to get my balls back regardless of whether this appears “butthurt”.”

      The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference. All news is good news. Quit saying ANYTHING to her. She doesn’t exist to you. You need to learn to be able to cut a woman out of your life if she doesn’t get with the program or you will end up still re-hashing this story 3 years from now with “and she just txted me last week so I told her “nope not interested!” and it felt so awesome”. She doesn’t exist anymore, time to move on.


    • YaReally
      on February 3, 2014 at 5:28 pm
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      (I know you say you’ve got other plates and have moved on etc., but I just want to stress it because I don’t want to see you posting in a month “so I’m thinking of inviting her to this party, is it a good idea?” lol)


    • YaReally
      on February 3, 2014 at 5:53 pm
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      @Scray

      Well done, Grasshopper.