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The Art Of Playfulness

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YaReally
on November 27, 2014 at 7:23 am
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Fucking lol at the escalator kid. That was great.

For the guys who need the nuts & bolts step by step of HOW to be playful (no shame, I was the same way when I started), here’s a refresher read:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/chick-crack/

“Playful men appear to suffer no worldly burden. They seem at ease, living in the moment, stress-free and unconcerned with public opinion.”

This is basically why I can get laid even tho parts of my life are struggling (currently working my ass off to pull my finances out of the shitter but objectively super poor at the moment, still got my beer belly, still only have a couple shirts and one pair of shoes with holes in it lol). Because despite all that, I trust that I’ll be turning my situ around in the next couple years and I have enough field experience to know that none of that really affects attracting women. Give me 10 minutes to talk away my finances and chubbiness and I will bed the hottie at the bar lol

Contrast that with other guys who are taking life WAY too seriously and hate their careers but are trapped in them, or feel ashamed and embarrassed that they’re wearing the same shirt they wore last week and think people will notice or kudhe them, or feel self-conscious because they forgot to do their pre-bar workout to get a last minute pump and if they just shaved off that last 1% of body fat that’s covering their 6-pack like their training buddy has then they would look better, etc etc

The majority of guys are a barrel of insecurities and lack feelings of being worthy of getting hot girls. They keep looking thru the lens society gave them of “do you have a BMW and a 6-pack and are you tall? No? Then you don’t DESERVE that hottie yet. You should stick to the 6s until you shed more fat or until you get that new condo to take them back to.”

So those guys can’t HAVE a playful fun vibe to life, because they’re weighing themselves down with their own mental baggage that girls don’t even CARE about (except in a long-term Provider, which you don’t wanna be).

I’ve gone out in field with guys who like, had one thing go bad at work like the boss didn’t like their presentation, or some minor thing in their personal life like a bad haircut, and it’s the END OF THE FUCKING WORLD to them lol. They are bitching about work all thru out pre-game, reenforcing their negative mood and victim complex, they’re fixing their hair over and over trying to get it to look right in-between trying on hats to cover it up, like it’s ridiculous.

Meanwhile I’m sitting there with objectively way worse problems in general but I’m happy as a clam because I trust that I’ll survive my problems and we’re about to go be surrounded by pretty girls and fun energy and we’re gonna talk to those girls and maybe even pull them and it’s going to be an awesome night. We’re young(ish), and free and have our health and live in a city where there are girls and fun out there…I’ll deal with my problems tomorrow, tonight will just be a fun adventure.

So I’m giving off the same vibe that a rich CEO who works 4 hours a week and has a BMW and closet full of suits and the perfect bodyfat percentage etc and is legitimately carefree an playful has. To girls we have the same vibe so they assume I must have all my shit together.

Tyler calls this “lowering your threshold for happiness” or “lowering your criteria for success” where he points out that people in poor 3rd world cultures can still be happy even if they don’t have the newest iPhone or a car etc. because just surviving to the next day is something to celebrate. Social conditioning drills into us that we can never be happy because we can always be improved by the next product that comes along. Sure you’re happy you have that shirt for a while…but don’t cha know? That shirt is no longer cool, you new this NEW shirt or you’re a loser. If you want to be happy you gotta buy this new shirt man. This is what consumerism is based on…make you feel shitty unless you have the newest products and more/better products than your neighbors.

But what if you could turn all that off and realize that you can just BE happy. Right now, with no reasoning behind it. You can just feel GOOD. You can feel, right now, the exact same way you feel when you get a new shirt or buy a BMW. It’s mental, you don’t need to justify it, you can just feel good all of the time.

People who meet me think I’m extremely carefree and must be doing well. Guys who are WAY better off than me will tell me they wish they were as laid back and carefree as me when I’m like shit I WISH I had your life lol but I trust myself to succeed at what I want, I understand it can be a long slow process to achieve success, I know that stressing it all night won’t fix it, and I know that even without that success I deserve hot girls so when I’m out talking to girls I’m playful and fun while a lot of other guys are standing along the edge of the bar with a drink up at their chest dwelling in neuroses and insecurities.

I’ll find some vids to link on the topic when I get a chance. Also Hunter I’m workin on that 30 day breakdown lol just swamped with work at the moment.



Using Uber Data To Avoid Sausage Fests

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martin
on November 25, 2014 at 1:56 pm
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This is absolutely incredible. Well done for finding it and reporting. I think the second option above explains why women avoid crowds of men. But really this data is attempting to answer an age old question, where are the women, it is probably for the best that it is locked up but still, it is incredibly exciting to think that the data exists AND ( I cannot stress that “and” enough) there is a tangible pattern to the data. The fact that there is a tangible pattern is enough for this post to be worthwhile. There is so much hiding in this. Also, on a related note, you should read up on what the uber ceo was planning on doing with private data to ruin the life of an sjw who smeared his company in the gawker.


  • Jason773
    on November 25, 2014 at 2:02 pm
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    The PUAs and lotharios already know where the women are (see my comment above) on any given weekend; this data is just betas being beta trying to gain a miniscule advantage on the other beta competition through the use of intellect, although it will ultimately backfire.

    If you’ve been gamin’ like you should be, then this data is redundant.


    • YaReally
      on November 25, 2014 at 2:25 pm
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      “The PUAs and lotharios already know where the women are”

      lol ya. We collect this data by going out to a variety of venues on a variety of nights. If I’ve lived in a city for a few months, I can tell you what types of girls are at what venues on what nights, what the male competition at those venues will be like, how DTF or bitch-shieldy the girls are, which bars have industry nights on which nights, which bars have drink specials (cheap pints = sausage fest, cheap cocktails = chicks), whether the vibe is more ONS or if you want to be running social circle game, which venues have the best/worst logistics (music too loud? nowhere to isolate? lighting too bright? too crowded on certain nights?), which bars people start at and end at, which bars people bar-hop between (so I know girls will start at Bar-A sober having dinner, but they’ll go to Bar-B to dance because it’s across the street and has no cover, but once midnight rolls around and all the dudes who were drinking liquid courage at Bar-C come to Bar-B, half the girls will head to Bar-D to escape them and end their night there, so my prime windows for my style of game are Bar-B early on and Bar-D) etc.

      Like literally the first few months in a new city is all mapping out the nightlife. If you DON’T know all the shit I just described, about your city, you aren’t going out enough or you aren’t paying enough attention lol

      This also helps when you’re planning out group events too, you can lead the group and know where to take them to make sure everyone has a fun time.

      Pro-tip: Wherever women say is awesome sucks dick. Wherever normal guys say is awesome sucks dick. lol People tend to love/hate a venue based on how much success/failure or the good/bad memories they’ve had there, rather than objectively.

      RSDJeffy’s method was to look up online reviews for the club. If the reviews all say “this club is full of douchey guys and stuck-up bitches” and like “the bouncers wouldn’t let my friend in they said she wasn’t dressed right, they’re assholes” etc., then he knows it’ll be a good venue lol There’s a lot of truth to that. The venues that normal people hate tend to be the venues that normal people just don’t know how to vibe in and feel out of place and uncomfortable because the girls are hotter or you need more group theory or the guys are higher-status, etc.

      “this data is just betas being beta trying to gain a miniscule advantage on the other beta competition through the use of intellect, although it will ultimately backfire.”

      Yup. The reality is that most of the guys who would nerd out over this data are just going to be standing at the bar choding out with drink up at their chest except there’ll be more girls around them that they aren’t talking to lol


    • YaReally
      on November 26, 2014 at 12:32 pm
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      @martin
      “What do you think?”

      Go try it 50 times and let us know how it works.

      You can’t learn game theorizing behind your computer screen. Go out and try it over and over till you know the answer to whether it’s a good approach for you or not.



Arbiter
on November 25, 2014 at 3:02 pm
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They prefer the company, tangential or otherwise, of men who act as if they have their choice of the litter.

Though they won’t put it that way. They’ll say they prefer the company of men “who go out to have fun, not to obsess over sex.” Sure, men like to jerk spasmodically to noise blaring on the dance floor because they just “love to dance”, not because that’s where the women are.

Women are hypocrites in this regard. They say they “go out to have fun”, but why exactly is it fun? Do they really enjoy the dancing and overpriced drinks for the sake of the dance and the drinks? No, it’s about affirming their being part of the group. And about getting attention from men, which they instinctively crave since they have always survived through men.

Some honest women will admit this, though. That going out for them is about group bonding and attention as much as it is about finding sex for men, while all pretend that it’s really about “having fun”. The club scene runs on dishonesty. “Hey, where are you from? What do you study? You been here long?” As if anyone would care about the answers to the questions they ask.

Note: “sausage fest” is an anti-male word. Used to mock men for gathering without women. Consider how you are not allowed to use a mocking word for women gathering without men.


  • Sentient
    on November 26, 2014 at 10:19 am
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    Women go out first and foremost to EXPERIENCE emotion. That’s it.

    Music elicits raw emotion, dancing is just an expression of that. That’s why they ALL do it, i.e. all those SWPL girls “dancing” (invariably awkwardly) to rap music, they can’t help themselves. It’s not that girls are better at dancing than men, it’s just they get swept up in that emotional place that it takes to let go and dance and just feel and emote. (BTW at a concert recently, all ages show, so kids like 8 through grandmoms, every single female was dancing and jiggling regardless of age, looks or status).

    Guys are better coordinated, they should be able to dance better than most women, but they can’t detach. Butcept the gay guys. They channel emotion the same way.

    So a GNO is just a raw emotional roller coaster. Meeting Guys, validation from guys, grinding, making out and sex are just differing degrees of experience and expression. A girl is there for the emotions regardless of the “outcome”. They are not thinking as much as we are about hooking up explicitly. But if you can spike the emotion and ride it, you will find success.


    • YaReally
      on November 26, 2014 at 12:43 pm
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      “Women go out first and foremost to EXPERIENCE emotion. That’s it.”

      This. Women are basically masters of unstifling themselves. When they see eachother and scream and jump around and hug eachother, when they run off to dance to Miley Cyrus, when they do most of the shit they do on a night out, they just keep themselves constantly unstifled and expressing their emotions in the moment while “cool” guys are trying to act reserved and put on a front all night totally inside their heads and not expression themselves or their emotions, thinking of all the shit that could go wrong if they approach and worrying what people think of them.

      First group on the dance floor is rarely a dude or a group of dudes…the vast majority of the time it’s a group of girls who are just doing what they want with no fucks given what anyone thinks. There’s a lesson in that. That’s kind of the equivalent of you doing your first cold approach warmups to get yourself in state where you’re forcing yourself outside of your comfort zone and outside of your head for a greater overall benefit for the night.

      This isn’t conscious of course, but you can learn a lot from observing the way girls keep themselves in state through the night.

      That’s why girls shit a brick over a guy who isn’t even good at dancing but just doesn’t care and is having fun dancing all by himself…he’s unstifled and expressing himself and that means he’s a guy who can overcome social pressure, insecurity, gives no fucks about being judged, has no outcome dependence if he makes an ass of himself, etc. In that moment, that guy is more attractive than the James Bond leaning against the bar posing trying to look cool and turning his nose up at the dance floor guy.

      (I don’t dance, but I have buddies who do…some are good at it, some are shit but don’t care, both types get massive attention and girls up on them from it just because they aren’t doing it to impress anyone, they’re having fun and the girls are there to be around fun energy…now whether those guys actually man up and take the silver platter opportunity to actually escalate and try to fuck those girls or not is another story lol)



Scray
on November 26, 2014 at 1:16 pm
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More on whiteknighting re: the Coz.

The allegations are stupid.

One woman says he “forced” her to give him a handjob. riiiiight.
The other says he put her hand on his junk and then gave her a “hard kiss” after taking her home for the night — oooooooooh.
Another says she was partying with him, blacked out to realize she was “about to” engage in oral sex and just left/went to the bathroom — yeah, what a rapist, he just lets his prey leave without incident.
Another whines about being drugged, but apparently kept on seeing him every night while she was in town….
Another one who was “raped” and then put up in a Penthouse, then kept in touch with him for 20 years and had consensual sex with him at least one other time…
One of them says he drugged her after she ended a consensual sexual relationship. etc. etc.

Look at what nearly ALL OF THEM SAY: “he made me feel used,” “he didn’t make me feel special.” lol….

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/19-bill-cosby-accusers-complete-breakdown-allegations-far-135600544.html


  • YaReally
    on November 26, 2014 at 5:20 pm
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    “Look at what nearly ALL OF THEM SAY: “he made me feel used,” “he didn’t make me feel special.” lol….”

    The lesson to take from all the shit going down lately with high-profile dudes being accused of shit is how important it is for guys these days to have a VERY thorough understanding of avoiding/diffusing Buyer’s Remorse.

    It didn’t matter much in the past, because there wasn’t the Internet and social media SJW mobs and easy anonymous accusations and the ridiculous fear-mongering of feminism toward men, being able to post real or fake screencaps of text convos and chat logs, pics to show who the guy is and dox him, instant expulsion of men from universities for accusations with no evidence, etc. So if a chick felt shitty after having sex, it didn’t really matter for the guy.

    But NOW you’d better make DAMN sure the girls you fuck leave the interaction feeling like special snowflakes about it and collect a fuckload of txts before and after getting her to admit she loves/loved what you’re gonna’ do/did. Letting her crash overnight and taking her for an Egg McMuffin in the morning is gay but it could be the difference between her anonymously accusing you of rape 10 years later when you come into money/fame, or you being able to enjoy your success worry-free.

    If you’re running proper game, you shouldn’t be getting Buyer’s Remorse. BR generally comes from the girl feeling used or not special, which is usually because you either didn’t qualify her hard enough (so she didn’t “earn” you and could have been just any random girl), or you didn’t built enough rapport/comfort with her where you two have a personal little bond…or you fucked up both of those things.

    If you happen to pull quickly for sex without much comfort/rapport, cuddle afterward and run your comfort/rapport there so she feels special, otherwise odds are pretty good that she’s going to feel slutty and shitty about what she did when she gets home.

    Ramp this up a thousand-fold if you’re into rough BDSM shit with girls…if you go through an emotionally intense rape roleplay sex session, you need to cuddle with her for like an hour stroking her back and joking around and shit (the first time for sure, after that you can calibrate how much she needs) and let her adrenaline come back down with you so you can re-enforce that that was all just play stuff and that outside of the roleplaying you like and appreciate her bla bla bla

    Again, it’s all gay I know, but letting your girls get Buyer’s Remorse these days is like playing russian roulette. Even the chick in the slutty outfit dancing up on the bar who puts out on the first night without knowing your name wants to feel special lol



Comment Of The Week: Edgy Game

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walawala
on November 23, 2014 at 5:25 pm
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I think this is wayyyyyy too obtuse or extreme to be attractive. But, I can share my own experiences. I have strong views. Six months ago my crazy ex gf, the dude she was seeing and another girl tried to undermine an event I had organized. They rudely walked out in the middle of a performance to go to another event that someone had hijacked. I was furious first at the insensitivity. But also realized this was all engineered.

I kept the high-road, sent the dude a very strongly worded text basically calling him a faggot for acting like an idiot and disrupting my hard work. I was circumspect but strong.

Fuckhead posts the note verbatim on Facebook and tags 100+ friends in a bid to publicly “shame” me for telling him off. Faggot.

Instead of hiding, I owned my note, told him he was not only rude for leaving but untrustworthy for posting a private man to man note.

The whole thing escalated for 4 days. Various people rose to my defense= DHV. Other girls saw this and approached me to say they saw me as “passionate” and someone who would defend injured parties.

The whole thing was “extreme” within the context of what I said and what was done… But the outcome was girls who read that could see that 1) I was tough man to man 2) other girls defended my actions as rational 3) I kept my cool.

The result? That fuckwit apologized to one of the people involved. He tried making nice to me. My crazy ex gf approached me recently to buy a ticket to my latest event. Overall, everyone now behaves in a much more civil manner.

I think you have to be clear in your mind where the line is and not be afraid to defend your interests. This was NOT “White knighting” because it involved artists, visitors and yes there was a girl involved who had helped me. She ended up banging me a short while after that as well.


  • YaReally
    on November 24, 2014 at 1:05 am
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    @walawala
    Old-school Mystery Method talks about the DHVs you want to show are:

    1) Pre-selection
    2) Leader of Men
    3) Protector of Loved Ones
    4) Willingness to Emote
    5) Being a Successful Risk Taker

    You nailed pretty much all of those by accident lol

    It’s fun to tool Mystery and his fuzzy hat, but he was a smart dude. MM is based around purposely flipping these (and more) switches as soon as possible (like the first time you meet her), that a normal guy might take a few dates or a couple months to luck into triggering.



What To Do When A Woman Switches Gears On You

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Lumpy
on November 21, 2014 at 1:36 pm
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Aw damn! I saved up a bunch of convos for heartiste text day—and then my phone dies.

Here’s a couple of okc conversations that died. I’m struggling like hell on okc—I’d love any suggestions on debugging my messages.

Artsy

Hot 19 y/o with a basically blank profile, just mentioning hyper hipster music and movie tastes. This was all over one evening.

Me: Hey my name is Andy. My favorite hobbies are stalking girls and smoking crack. Please talk to me…
Her: Okay I’m here
Me: Charmed, but put down the handcuffs. Drinks and mayybe setting off fireworks is as far as I go on the first date.
Her: Well, unfortunately I don’t drink, so there goes that idea.
Me: Who said I’d share? You’re lookout and I’ll let you light a couple if ya promise not to be a scaredy cat about it.
*nothing*

Married

Hot 21 y/o apparently in an open relationship.

First night:
Me: Hey my name is Andy. My favorite hobbies are stalking girls and smoking crack. Please talk to me…
Her: Lol those are quality hobbies to have…
Me: Right?! I’ve done the open relationship thing before. What are your rules about getting into unmarked white vans? It’s a stick shift lol. [she said driving stick was one of her skills]
Her: Do you have candy??
Her: Cause if so I’m down… lol
Me: Shit do I look that amateur? I use chloroform. But I do need a change of pace. I’ll bring the skittles if you bring the roofies

Next day
Her: Bahaha deal!
Me: Your turn. Tell me something interesting about you
*nothing*

I’ll hit em both back up.

I think my frame is overall pretty good, but my texts ain’t snappy or clever. I definitely need to work on brevity. What do you fuckers think?


  • YaReally
    on November 21, 2014 at 2:25 pm
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    @Lumpy
    lol Artsy is the type I was describing here:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/what-to-do-when-a-girl-signals-shes-back-on-the-market/#comment-630721

    “Hipster/indie chicks do this shit a lot because they all think they’re super clever lol I find it annoying, I’ve had situs where this takes me weeks or MONTHS of txting before she finally decides I’m legit and switches gears. I pursue it for the practice but I write them off in my mind as slow-track girls and don’t expect to meet up anytime soon. I even flake on them sometimes if they have a lot of attitude. The funniest is when we both flake because she had no intention of actually keeping our plans and neither did I lol

    Once she’s hooked, if you pass enough tests, and then you pull back and be aloof, she’ll either chase pretty hard because not a lot of guys pass her tests or she’ll be so full of herself that she Next’s you in her mind and stops contacting you. Like I find it’ll be one extreme or the other, nothing in-between like a normal “sweet” girl.”

    Nothing in her profile but some music/movie shit, hipster/artsy look, under 23, won’t play along with your shit…yep, you got yourself a hipster. lol Even if you hadn’t described her profile I bet i could have described it just from the “Well, unfortunately I don’t drink, so there goes that idea.” response. It’s just this attitude of priding themselves on being difficult/snarky but mistaking that for being clever/witty.

    I describe a bit about how I deal with these ones in that link, but these days I just roll my eyes when I run into one of them and debate whether it’s worth the effort or not. Even IF you can pull out a bunch of witty responses to her that are just fucking gold compared to her shitty “it’s cool to be boring” replies to where she’s enjoying txting you, she’ll usually make it super difficult to meet up because she wants the fun back and forth text conversation more than she wants dick (since she’s young and probably less experienced than she pretends to be, and has plenty of dick around her already).

    A lot of those ones are just on there for the attention and to tool guys and pat themselves on the back at how witty they are.

    If you hear from her again I’ll be amazed, but you never know lol

    Married is a done deal. Skip the getting to know her stuff, she doesn’t need that (she has a husband for that feelings stuff), she just wants good emotions and for you to make shit happen. So keep things on the teasing, fun, sexual innuendo/roleplaying, flirting level and push for drinks.

    With married chicks I like to use stuff like “lol you’re fun. I don’t meet many women that can keep up with my sense of humor. We should go for drinks so I can see if you’re this clever in person. Are you allowed to sneak out this weekend?”

    So in that I start with telling her she’s passed my (non-looks-based) qualification, and stated my interest. Then in the same text I’m pushing things forward toward a goal (VS just having a fun conversation…it’s fine if she can’t make it or turns this down or needs to get to know me first, the point is that I’m expressing my intent so she knows if she keeps talking to me I plan to meet up with her at some point).

    Then I suggest the actual think we’ll do, instead of leaving it up in the air/vague so she knows I just want to drink and fuck, VS her having to worry that I want to waste her time taking her to a dinner/movie or some gay date that again, she already has a husband for.

    Then, because she sounds like she has a feisty personality, I word my invite as a challenge…I could have said “Can you meet up for drinks this weekend?” or “Are you free this weekend?” or “Let’s meet up this weekend.” But by framing it as “Are you ALLOWED to SNEAK out this weekend?” I’m challenging her by implying that her man controls her and makes all the decisions and she has no will of her own, which makes feisty chicks want to prove you wrong so this usually triggers her “ALLOWED, pffft, I do what I WANT” instinct. Sneak implies the same thing, like she has to sneak out of there, but also indicates that I understand her situation, that she has a man she has to work around, and it implies that he’s either clingy/weepy so she has to sneak out of there to not hurt his feelings, or that he’s jealous/controlling so she has to sneak out of there to not get in trouble…either way it frames her hubby as lame and someone she needs to “escape” from to go have fun. Really subtle AMOG, just laying out frames and seeing which ones she falls into.

    Also I say “this weekend” instead of specifically friday 7pm etc. because she has a hubby she has to work around, so she might have shit to do with him that makes her not able to do a prime friday night but she may throw back “lol I’m free Sunday afternoon” and then you lock it down to Sunday afternoon drinks at a bar near your apartment and bone. If she picks a venue it SHOULD be okay…a 21yo or a single cougar will pick a venue where she’s super popular and high-value and has orbiters, but a married chick may have a venue or two in mind where she knows her hubby and his buddies will never go and no one will know her there, whereas the venue you suggest maybe the bartender is a friend of her hubby’s or something…just ’cause she’s in an oLTR doesn’t mean he knows they are (lol) and doesn’t mean there’s no discretion between them…like she may be able to sneak out and bang you but out of respect for her partner she doesn’t want to be rubbing it in his face.

    Opener is solid. I use a similar self-depreciating one. It makes me stand out and helps me weed out girls who don’t share my sense of humor/sarcasm.


  • YaReally
    on November 21, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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    @Lumpy
    response in mod. Don’t txt either of them. 2nd one should text you back when she gets time (having a hubby her schedule may be crazy, she may not be able to text when he’s around etc.) and should be a done deal.

    1st one I’d be surprised if she txted but if you want to try to save it I would use something offensive like “shit, a shy one. You’re not a virgin, are you?” that’ll get ANY kind of response and try to work from there. Her personality type is a downer vibe-killer that probably prides herself on being “difficult”, so I just work the old man completely unimpressed and kind of an asshole angle…no emoticons or lols or anything, lots of offensive shit. lol These ones are annoying, see my post in mod for more.



How To Identify A Slut: Ring Etiquette Edition

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Confused
on November 20, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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Update for Yareally and anyone else interested in my previous comment here: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/what-to-do-when-a-girl-signals-shes-back-on-the-market/#comment-630680

Since the last update, she sent me a “:(” on Okcupid at like 2 am on Saturday night. I followed that up late Sunday night with a texted picture of a catwalk model wearing a hotdog suit, and said “Wear this when we meet up”.

She replied several hours later with “….” which I just ignored.

Last night she texted at 2 am again, saying “Are you going to explain yourself?”

This morning she friend requested me on Facebook, which is crazy, because I have a pretty common name and I’m not that easy to find.

I’m not into being Facebook friends with new girls, so that’s a no, but I did text her a picture of a beaver chewing on a stick in response to her request for me to explain myself.

Not sure how to move this forward at this point. I’m assuming at some point she will break.


  • YaReally
    on November 20, 2014 at 3:27 pm
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    Lol figured the :( would happen.

    She’s just shit-testing you. Don’t even acknowledge it. Don’t even get into a “there’s nothing to apologize for” discussion. Keep fucking around amusing yourself instead of taking her seriously.

    “Not sure how to move this forward at this point. I’m assuming at some point she will break.”

    Don’t initiate any txts. Don’t add her to facebook. When she txts, if it’s something nice then answer like normal flirting. But if she txts with any of this single word/emoticon or “well aren’t you going to explain yourself” bullshit she gets stupid meme pics. I once sent a girl a different batman meme pic to every txt she sent me for like a month lol

    You wouldn’t get this from a 30+yo but from a young hot chick this isn’t that unusual.

    The Facebook hunt means she may be worried that as an older guy you have a wife/kids you’re hiding which an play into her flakiness/hesitation to meet up.

    If she asks “why won’t you accept my friend request” just say “sorry stalker, close friends and family only. I don’t have a wife or kids if that’s what you’re worried about lol” and just clear that worry up and she may warm up. A lot of guys DO hide a wife/kids so it’s fair for her to be worried about it.

    Anyway, keep going. She likes you but she needs to learn you won’t fall into her frame.

    If you want to try revving things up, try turning the frame around on her and making her qualify herself with something like “I like our chemistry but I don’t like shy girls.” where it’s a bit of push/pull. If she says “I’m not shy” then she’s qualifying so you can work from there (“prove it. Drinks tonight.”), or make her qualify more (“lol I know a shy girl when I see one. I like girls who are adventurous and spontaneous.” “I am” “prove it. Drinks at Bar at 8pm tonight.” And if she says no then say “thought so lol” and do a soft next till Sunday evening (sun eve is a good time to build deep rapport/comfort). If she says “I can’t help being shy that’s just how I am” then just do a soft next till she offers up something better (could take a week or two).

    The idea is that you’re putting her in a position where if she wants your attention she has to meet up with you. And if she wants to keep dicking around instead and try to be txt buddies, then you withdraw your attention (because you’re theoretically focusing it on a girl who’s earned it instead of her).

    You’re basically subcommunicating boundaries and expectations instead of handing out your time/attention just cause she has a pussy, which is what she’s used to.

    Hope that helps. Keep us updated lol she’ll probably txt you again this weekend and try the “come to my bar” move on you. Feel free to try the “meet me at X Bar in 30 min.” move I described before. If she won’t leave her bar then don’t go, just go home or stay with your friends if you’re actually out. If she agrees to meet you there, wait till she txts “I’m here where are you??” THEN go lol that way she can’t pull the “oh I couldn’t get away come get me” move on you if you get there first. And if she doesn’t agree to meet you at this place or she doesn’t show up etc do a full soft next, no txting her at all for like a week or two no matter what she sends.

    Basically if she plays along, escalate, if she doesn’t, radio silence until she volunteers to play along. That’s the underlying theme. Half-asleep, no idea if this makes sense lol

    Also only acknowledge her txts in the evening where you can possibly get into deep rapport with her. Ignore her txts if they’re during the day.


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 3:30 pm
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      (and yes, she’ll break. Probably not this weekend (it’s possible tho, like I say feel free to run the “meet me at bar x in 30″ gambit if she txts you between like 10pm-1am to see) but should be in under a month)


    • YaReally
      on November 21, 2014 at 10:22 am
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      @walawala
      Got a reply in mod for ya. And Chester.



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Confused
on November 20, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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Update for Yareally and anyone else interested in my previous comment here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/what-to-do-when-a-girl-signals-shes-back-on-the-market/#comment-630680

Since the last update, she sent me a “:(” on Okcupid at like 2 am on Saturday night. I followed that up late Sunday night with a texted picture of a catwalk model wearing a hotdog suit, and said “Wear this when we meet up”.

She replied several hours later with “….” which I just ignored.

Last night she texted at 2 am again, saying “Are you going to explain yourself?”

This morning she friend requested me on Facebook, which is crazy, because I have a pretty common name and I’m not that easy to find.

I’m not into being Facebook friends with new girls, so that’s a no, but I did text her a picture of a beaver chewing on a stick in response to her request for me to explain myself.

Not sure how to move this forward at this point. I’m assuming at some point she will break.


  • YaReally
    on November 20, 2014 at 3:27 pm
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    Lol figured the :( would happen.

    She’s just shit-testing you. Don’t even acknowledge it. Don’t even get into a “there’s nothing to apologize for” discussion. Keep fucking around amusing yourself instead of taking her seriously.

    “Not sure how to move this forward at this point. I’m assuming at some point she will break.”

    Don’t initiate any txts. Don’t add her to facebook. When she txts, if it’s something nice then answer like normal flirting. But if she txts with any of this single word/emoticon or “well aren’t you going to explain yourself” bullshit she gets stupid meme pics. I once sent a girl a different batman meme pic to every txt she sent me for like a month lol

    You wouldn’t get this from a 30+yo but from a young hot chick this isn’t that unusual.

    The Facebook hunt means she may be worried that as an older guy you have a wife/kids you’re hiding which an play into her flakiness/hesitation to meet up.

    If she asks “why won’t you accept my friend request” just say “sorry stalker, close friends and family only. I don’t have a wife or kids if that’s what you’re worried about lol” and just clear that worry up and she may warm up. A lot of guys DO hide a wife/kids so it’s fair for her to be worried about it.

    Anyway, keep going. She likes you but she needs to learn you won’t fall into her frame.

    If you want to try revving things up, try turning the frame around on her and making her qualify herself with something like “I like our chemistry but I don’t like shy girls.” where it’s a bit of push/pull. If she says “I’m not shy” then she’s qualifying so you can work from there (“prove it. Drinks tonight.”), or make her qualify more (“lol I know a shy girl when I see one. I like girls who are adventurous and spontaneous.” “I am” “prove it. Drinks at Bar at 8pm tonight.” And if she says no then say “thought so lol” and do a soft next till Sunday evening (sun eve is a good time to build deep rapport/comfort). If she says “I can’t help being shy that’s just how I am” then just do a soft next till she offers up something better (could take a week or two).

    The idea is that you’re putting her in a position where if she wants your attention she has to meet up with you. And if she wants to keep dicking around instead and try to be txt buddies, then you withdraw your attention (because you’re theoretically focusing it on a girl who’s earned it instead of her).

    You’re basically subcommunicating boundaries and expectations instead of handing out your time/attention just cause she has a pussy, which is what she’s used to.

    Hope that helps. Keep us updated lol she’ll probably txt you again this weekend and try the “come to my bar” move on you. Feel free to try the “meet me at X Bar in 30 min.” move I described before. If she won’t leave her bar then don’t go, just go home or stay with your friends if you’re actually out. If she agrees to meet you there, wait till she txts “I’m here where are you??” THEN go lol that way she can’t pull the “oh I couldn’t get away come get me” move on you if you get there first. And if she doesn’t agree to meet you at this place or she doesn’t show up etc do a full soft next, no txting her at all for like a week or two no matter what she sends.

    Basically if she plays along, escalate, if she doesn’t, radio silence until she volunteers to play along. That’s the underlying theme. Half-asleep, no idea if this makes sense lol

    Also only acknowledge her txts in the evening where you can possibly get into deep rapport with her. Ignore her txts if they’re during the day.


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 3:30 pm
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      (and yes, she’ll break. Probably not this weekend (it’s possible tho, like I say feel free to run the “meet me at bar x in 30″ gambit if she txts you between like 10pm-1am to see) but should be in under a month)


    • YaReally
      on November 21, 2014 at 12:01 am
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      @Chester
      “What’s the “come to my bar” move?”

      http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/11/#comment-heartiste-630928

      “Anyway, I would do radio silence till she either agrees to meet up Sunday (could happen Sunday afternoon or evening) and then give it a couple more days and then text her. I wouldn’t jump on any fri/sat “I’m at bar blah come see me” because that’ll be a bar where she has massive value and a bunch of orbiters you have to compete with and usually she’ll just ignore you and tell her girls “look how many guys come when I tell them to” lol

      If you get a fri/sat “come meet up with me” text and you feel in your gut that the fri/sat text is her wanting to actually meet up (like she’s like “my friends left and I’m bored”) then I would tell her “meet me at Other Bar in 30 min.” and pick a bar that she has to walk a couple blocks to, so that she has to actively remove herself from the potential trap situation…this helps weed out whether it’s a trap, because if it IS a trap she won’t want to leave the bar she’s at (she may even SAY she’s going to and then when you txt “where are you??” she’ll say “still at Bar, come get me” in which case you just stop texting her completely the rest of the night cause it’s definitely a trap) because that’s where she’s got all her value and orbiters and wants you to walk into that shit-show. But if she’s actually horny and wants to fuck, she’ll meet you at another nearby bar.”

      @trav777
      “There’s just so many women is this one worth this much typing?”

      There are a lot of hills, do you have to climb Everest? What’s the point?? If you want to be at a higher altitude just go up in a helicopter.

      Some guys like puzzles.

      @walawala
      “We had made plans for December 1st but I don’t plan to contact her first about them.”

      Yup, don’t. Be prepared for either a VERY last-minute ping from her (meaning you’ve won the game of silence chicken), or to not see her Dec 1st. If she contacts you too close to Dec 1st, tell her you cancelled whatever your plans with her were because you didn’t hear from her and instead offer drinks at a bar near your place or whatever.

      If you don’t hear from her or she turns down your simple drinks (leading to sex) offer, radio silence till after New Years. Every chick panics as xmas/new years comes. Their family pressures them about not having a man yet, their friends all hole up cuddling with their significant others for the holidays so they’re alone more, they think about how mortifying not having a guy to kiss at midnight on New Years would be, etc.

      Only reward good behavior, punish bad behavior by taking away your attention, plans, etc.

      “long story-let’s just say it’s a leisure trip”

      Wants to bang. I wouldn’t even bring up her fiance. If she brings him up use the Boyfriend Destroyer stuff:

      http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/BoyFriend_Destroyer/128_4.html

      And change subjects to more fun/flirty/good emotions instead of getting into a big discussion.

      Odds are she won’t leave her fiance, she just wants to cheat on him. All you do is make that easy and consequence-free for her lol You should have minimal work to do on this one, she’ll take the lead (she already is, really). Just be non-judgemental and relate stories about how monogamy is silly and different people fill different needs and how you don’t expect one partner to provide everything you need etc. etc. so it’s just general talk and not about her and her fiance specifically. BF Destroy if she brings her fiance up. And then just structure an opportunity for you two to be isolated together (have an excuse to go to your or her place, tell her you love hotel rooms with their fresh clean sheets and room service and movies and shit, and she’ll probably suggest ordering a movie (you take the remote and order porn of course) and wine etc) and it should be easy to make it “just happen” from there.


    • YaReally
      on November 21, 2014 at 10:22 am
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      @walawala
      Got a reply in mod for ya. And Chester.



Ideological phantasmagoria
on November 20, 2014 at 5:43 pm
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O/T: : Julien Blanc, Dominique Strauss Kahn, Julien Assange, Bill Cosby. Yes means Yes. What is the common element? Well, it’s only very superficially about sex. Rather, it’s quite simply the desire to keep all men in a constant state of fear.

Sword of Damocles, baby! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damocles

And by the way, when does the lawyer/politician hanging start?

On 30 August, Assange attended a police station in Stockholm voluntarily and answered all the questions put to him. He understood that was the end of the matter. Two days later, Ny announced she was re-opening the case. Borgstrom was asked by a Swedish reporter why the case was proceeding when it had already been dismissed, citing one of the women as saying she had not been raped. He replied, “Ah, but she is not a lawyer.”

http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-siege-of-julian-assange-is-a-farce-a-special-investigation


  • YaReally
    on November 21, 2014 at 5:37 am
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    I actually agree with your crazy conspiracy theory. I doubt that it’s a conscious push by some evil mastermind group of feminists or anything, but the subconscious end goal of feminism is basically the power to completely arbitrarily decide which men are “good” and which men are “bad” with no evidence or accountability or consequence on their end, and have men in a state where they are scared to do anything until they have permission. Basically the same situation a beta cuckold in a marriage finds himself in (she uses his resources while fucking around behind his back, or in front of him, with him powerless to do anything).

    This is basically like saying “ok we’re having trouble telling which guys are betas learning game instead of natural alphas, and we don’t like this whole MGTOW thing where you don’t give us resources even though we have 4 baby daddies and are 200lbs overweight, so this whole system isn’t working for us anymore…but we don’t want to clean up our act and bring more to the table because that requires accountability. So let’s push the fear narrative and use our white knight armies to create a situation where men are all terrified to do anything so we can pick and choose who has our approval to speak, to fuck, to provide us their resources.”

    Like it’s the ultimate dream for a woman biologically…she makes sure no betas will bother her (they’ll just keep society running in the background and should be happy being allowed that privilege, too scared to speak to women), she gets to pick which beta gets to Provide for her, and she also gets to choose her alpha Lovers.

    The scary part is how effective pushing false fear narratives have gotten now that social media has allowed SJWs to form instant lynch mobs to silence/destroy people who try to speak out against the slippery slope we’re on…they can instantly ban a guy from multiple countries based on outrage over a false narrative that ACTIVELY ignores facts/evidence (see the video above), and yet STILL claim the powerless victim role in society, and even MEN will nod their heads vouching for how oppressed women are.

    It’s impressive, in a disturbing way. I guess schools have stopped forcing students to read Animal Farm and 1984.

    I don’t want to invoke Godwin’s Law, but I don’t think it’s an unfair comparison. People wondered how mass influence of insane beliefs/actions like that could happen, but we’re literally living a version of it right now.



gordon
on November 20, 2014 at 10:39 pm
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Guys, any suggestion as to how game a girl who shows IOI in a crowded bar by invading your personal space, standing with her back to you?


  • Sentient
    on November 21, 2014 at 11:54 am
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    @Gordon – just bump into her and say in a lighthearted way she should watch were she is going, almost spilled my drink… take it from there.

    actually something I do quite a lot of, girls walking by, when they give a quick look then look away, still walking passed you, step out into traffic lane and they bump into you. Basic playground 101 stuff. Look away while you bump then you both turn and look at each other the same time…

    Another thing I have noticed, interested in @yareally and others comments on this. Seems to be a “hugging” culture among the 20 YO set in bars, both guys and girls. Especially hipsters. so many people greeting each other with hugs, bear hugs, arm claps etc. a girl needs to give a hug to all 10 of her beta orbiters that come say hi and buy her a drink… who she just saw a few hours ago at work LOL. this environment lowers the value of kino, especially “incidental” touches to arms, shoulders etc. Gets lost in all the other contact.

    One thing I have done to separate “crowd” kino from “intent” – to escalate and send a message – is take a few fingers of her hair and give it a tug and a waggle. Really will open up her eyes, wide. “ohhh” and you look back in confidence, don’t break eye contact. “ohh” indeed. Game on. You just separated from the pack. (For the Aspie’s – a tug. not a yank, not to cause pain, just to communicate attention. and waggle a little side to side while you pull a bit. From the back of the head).

    Anyone else have this experience or thoughts on this approach?


    • YaReally
      on November 21, 2014 at 12:31 pm
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      @Sentient
      “a girl needs to give a hug to all 10 of her beta orbiters that come say hi and buy her a drink…”

      They’re safe to hug, because she’s in no danger of fucking them. She gets validation and human contact with no risk of accidentally being slutty because they are asexual non-entities to her.

      Whenever you get stuck in an asexual social tradition with a girl you want to fuck, break that social tradition somehow, ideally in a slightly sexual way but anything that stands out is good. The hair thing falls along those lines.

      Think of it as betas (and women) react to the world around them. Alphas make the world around them react to THEM. The asexual chodes she’s hugging are reacting to her, letting her dictate the physical contact and being happy with whatever they get. Do something unexpected and you’ll stand out. Do something unexpected, slightly sexual, and lock laser eye-contact with her unflinching when she goes “ohhh”, and you’ll get gina tingles.

      Calibrate, obviously lol Don’t go honking your co-worker’s titties at happy hour.



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YaReally
on November 21, 2014 at 9:07 am
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“SHOCKING Truth About JULIEN BLANC: Why He Got Banned From UK REVEALED”:

“REVEALED – The Disturbing Truth about Julien Blanc – What nobody wanted you to know”:


;)

They definitely should’ve put stuff like this out on Day 1, but the speed a Twitter campaign blasts up versus the time it takes some time to gather the clips and edit them would’ve made that impossible.

Plus splicing in the media outrage to show the contrast between what the media is saying and what Julien actually teaches his students is a pretty awesome “fuck you”.

At 3:25 on the second video he talks about how he’s trolling on his Twitter etc. on purpose.



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YaReally
on November 21, 2014 at 9:07 am
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“SHOCKING Truth About JULIEN BLANC: Why He Got Banned From UK REVEALED”:

“REVEALED – The Disturbing Truth about Julien Blanc – What nobody wanted you to know”:


;)

They definitely should’ve put stuff like this out on Day 1, but the speed a Twitter campaign blasts up versus the time it takes some time to gather the clips and edit them would’ve made that impossible.

Plus splicing in the media outrage to show the contrast between what the media is saying and what Julien actually teaches his students is a pretty awesome “fuck you”.

At 3:25 on the second video he talks about how he’s trolling on his Twitter etc. on purpose.


  • Sentient
    on November 21, 2014 at 11:08 am
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    http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22pick%20up%20artist%22%2C%20%22paul%20janka%22%2C%20%22real%20social%20dynamics%22%2C%20%22mystery%20method%22%2C%20%22julien%20blanc%22&cmpt=q

    I think Julien et al will be just fine. Actually I think Julien will get a reality series out of this, if he gets an agent. He wont need game anymore though, he will have fame, or even better the ne plus ultra of game – infamy…


    • YaReally
      on November 21, 2014 at 11:37 am
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      These vids will turn everything around. They’re stunting directly on the mainstream media’s faces. Especially the second vid that splices in the CNN interview. Now Julien looks like a hero, teaching men to respect women and be confident, and everyone else looks ridiculous.

      If Tyler was smart he would release a video saying this was all part of a demonstration to expose the mainstream media and show how you can’t trust them and that you need to think before rushing to judge people and they knew it would blow up one day and spin it into wanting to demonstrate how bad things have gotten and create a commentary on how social media has created lynch mobs fueled on emotion and groupthink and thankyou all for participating and here’s a link to more of our free content and a link to sign up for Julien’s seminars.

      The question is whether this was the plan or not. Go silent to let the media make asses of themselves while collecting and compiling footage and then release the rebuttals and flood the twitter hashtag etc with them coincidentally the same day you launch Todd’s new product.

      A plan from the start or not, RSD is about to be FLOODED with signups for all their programs. This has basically turned the SJW hate campaign into world-wide mass mainstream media exposure.

      Waiting to see what the RVF thinks of these vids. Lol. When exactly is RSD going down, guys? I mean, you didn’t overreact just like the retarded SJW/feminist/msm/hivemind did you? I could’ve sworn someone warned you to use your critical thinking skills and do some research.



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Peaty
on November 19, 2014 at 10:47 am
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Someone please catch me up on why the lack of puntuation is good.


  • mendozatorres
    on November 19, 2014 at 1:04 pm
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    Women don’t like periods


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:44 pm
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      I lol’ed.

      From my texting posts (check my archives for more):

      “Also the interesting thing I found is that if I stay congruent to my verbose txts, she’ll eventually try to keep up with me. Like if she starts out typing like “wut u up 2?” And we txt for a bit and I stick to proper grammar/spelling, eventually (when I have enough value to her) she’ll clean her txting up a lot with me and txt with decent spelling/grammar like a normal human being lol I actually take that as an ioi.”

      I text with proper punctuation. The actual content and the intent behind it is more important than the way it’s written out. Also proper writing is killer for sexting dirty descriptions of shit to turn them on or before meeting up or to get them to send dirty pics from the bathroom at their office or to get a fuckbuddy drooling early in the day etc. I don’t think “i pin u against teh wlal n bite ur neck” has quite the same effect lol


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:46 pm
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      Also I’ve found with the young chicks (I’m early-30s), using big/complicated words that they have to look up is a bit of a minor DHV. They expect an older man to be able to teach them things, so casually dropping in a word that they don’t hear from their 20yo social circles is a little spike of “ooo, this is an older man, with many leatherbound books” tingle lol



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Peaty
on November 19, 2014 at 10:47 am
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Someone please catch me up on why the lack of puntuation is good.


  • mendozatorres
    on November 19, 2014 at 1:04 pm
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    Women don’t like periods


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:44 pm
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      I lol’ed.

      From my texting posts (check my archives for more):

      “Also the interesting thing I found is that if I stay congruent to my verbose txts, she’ll eventually try to keep up with me. Like if she starts out typing like “wut u up 2?” And we txt for a bit and I stick to proper grammar/spelling, eventually (when I have enough value to her) she’ll clean her txting up a lot with me and txt with decent spelling/grammar like a normal human being lol I actually take that as an ioi.”

      I text with proper punctuation. The actual content and the intent behind it is more important than the way it’s written out. Also proper writing is killer for sexting dirty descriptions of shit to turn them on or before meeting up or to get them to send dirty pics from the bathroom at their office or to get a fuckbuddy drooling early in the day etc. I don’t think “i pin u against teh wlal n bite ur neck” has quite the same effect lol


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:46 pm
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      Also I’ve found with the young chicks (I’m early-30s), using big/complicated words that they have to look up is a bit of a minor DHV. They expect an older man to be able to teach them things, so casually dropping in a word that they don’t hear from their 20yo social circles is a little spike of “ooo, this is an older man, with many leatherbound books” tingle lol



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  • afternoon yak
    on November 19, 2014 at 1:14 pm
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    cue tyler, i mean ya, to defend the business model

    from his media posts j comes off as a true alpha i would pay anything to attend his seminars and absorb his wisdom

    jonesin for some more rsd links pimp away tylerya


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:03 pm
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      @afternoon yak
      “cue tyler, i mean ya, to defend the business model”

      Like I’ve said:

      http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/thought-experiment-the-alpha-male/#comment-631978

      “RSD’s money comes directly from students. They travel the world for the exposure, and the people going to their Free Tours are fans. Does anyone think they’re posting up advertisements in fucking Starbucks saying “Want to learn how to talk to girls? Come to Julien Blanc’s seminar this Thursday at 3pm!!” like it’s a school rally? lol The guys attending the Free Tour sign up through the website or are brought by a friend, so they’re already open to their ideas.

      Does anyone really think there’s any shortage of nerdy asian/indian IT guys with money who want to learn how to talk to girls and get a girlfriend just in Silicon Valley ALONE? lol Their bootcamps are only 3 people. Julien could teach in Vegas every weekend and be just fine, let alone traveling around the USA, esp with this exposure (“Women love him, men hate him! Learn the secret techniques created by the most hated man in the world!”).

      Their other big money maker is the HotSeat and the only people going to HotSeat are huge fans who know Julien’s humor is dark and extreme so they’re not listening to anything the media says about him.

      The *FREE* Tours that were cancelled make RSD no actual direct money aside from convincing a few people to take a bootcamp but they only need to convince 3 people anyway, so they’re losing out on like 20 sales over a few months maybe, by not being able to send Julien to Australia. Like they can’t find 20 people in Vegas or Silicon Valley ALONE that want to learn how to talk to girls? lol”

      And thanks to the guys posting about it here and RVF for proving my point:

      “No one is even going to debate anything I’ve written here, even if they read it. It’s just going to be “lol look at the RSD shill! We know you’re Tyler bro!!” lol It’s not going to be “you know, the business model you’ve described that basically can’t be attacked by outside influences actually has a flaw in this part of it, let me explain and run some numbers”. It’s going to be the same emotional feelz character attacks and snark the SJWs did to the comet shirt guy lol”

      “jonesin for some more rsd links pimp away tylerya”

      Sure lol:


  • John
    on November 19, 2014 at 1:35 pm
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    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:14 pm
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      lol here’s a huge collection:

      http://tindersfinestbachelors.tumblr.com/post/101828535893/his-mother-must-be-proud

      If you think someone posting shit like:

      “I like my women like I like my cell phone. Broken.”

      “Dear fat girls, even if you lose weight your soul will still remain disgusting.”

      “Dear girls, it’s easy for me to keep secrets because I rarely listen to anything you have to say anyway.”

      “My favorite sexual position is the one where I cum and she doesn’t.”

      “That warm load of sweet cum you just viciously gulped down has a thousand calories. In case you’re wondering why you’re still single.”

      “I wish my girlfriend could work out her face.”

      “The cool thing about being my girlfriend is realizing no one will ever really love you.”

      “Vodka and cum. #MyGirlfriendsDiet”

      “You had me at “My last 3 boyfriends were assholes…””

      “Cumming inside girls is actually pretty relaxing when you just give them a fake name and a fake number.”

      …is the sign of a disturbed and dark mind, and not a collection of hilarious gina-tingling asshole-game one-liners that CH would probably feature in an article if any of us came up with them (and I plan to steal “now if only you could work out your face” when a hottie looking for validation sends me one of those sweaty “just worked out at the gym” pics and “your diet is basically vodka and cum” to a girl I’m teasing when we’re joking around about sex), then the Internet must be a very scary place for your polyanna pearl-clutching self. lol

      Are you a fat feminist? Is that why you’re humorless? Louis CK told a joke about raping a dead baby. He clearly supports raping dead babies. lol


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 11:42 pm
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      Here’s the life story of this monster Julien. lol, clearly the next Manson:


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 11:55 pm
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      Also the vid I linked above of Julien’s life story is a good listen for the guys who are struggling with motivation and feeling like they suck or are having a hard time etc.

      Most of us started out like you did, even the most hated man in the world lol And we put in a LOT more effort than newbies probably realize. I can’t even count the number of nights I went home beating myself up for not approaching at all (walking around for 6 hours without saying a word to anyone despite being out on a Saturday night) or bombing sets all night or fucking up a done deal or forgetting something that would’ve landed me a solid number etc.

      So you’re not alone. This is something you get better with over time, but depending on where you start and how much work you put into it and how much guidance you have and how much you actually go out and apply this stuff in an intelligent way, that period can be anywhere from a year to like 10 years lol

      You can’t learn this stuff without going out. You can know a lot of stuff but you won’t be able to apply it in the moment.


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 9:29 am
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      @John @Greg
      “I linked to a text exchange that shows Julien sputtering into a desperate beta downward spiral. This is a guy who is instructing others how to interact with women.”

      “… just the opposite, especially when the girl wasn’t taking the bait.”

      My point is you guys taking him seriously and not being able to tell he’s trolling is silly. Read below, he literally explained in one of his videos what he’s doing there:

      “One of the latest vids that’s down right now is him talking about these exact texts and fucking around on Tinder. Off the top of my memory (cause it was a fucking funny video) he was basically trying to see how far he could push things and still get the girl to meet up. So he’d try to be the most beta schlub loser in the world telling girls he lives in his grandma’s basement and shit and still get the number. Then he’d try being super fucking creepy and still get the number. Then he’d try randomly going back and forth between being the nicest beta in the world saying stuff like “please tell me if you like me? :) I’m kind of insecure about my looks, I don’t have a lot of friends :(” and then immediately after saying “don’t you dare lie to me like that you fucking whore I’m going to fucking strangle you with my dick :)” with a smiley face at the end then follow it up with “so does tuesday work for you? I’d like to take you to a nice dinner at–” and STILL getting a number.

      In the video he lol’s about how he tells girls he has a son named Gaspard who just died and someone made a facebook fan page and everything:

      http://www.facebook.com/rsdgaspard

      This is how un-seriously he takes this shit.

      Anyway after each of those text conversations he shows, he would say to the crowd “if I can get numbers off Tinder with THIS shit, you can get numbers too, there’s NO excuse. Just ask for the number and push the interaction.” which is a good lesson. Most people are trying WAY too hard. My Tinder convos are full of me just fucking around self-amusing telling girls my dick is tiny and shit. The hotter girls love it because they don’t take that shit seriously either. I’d bet that most of the girls up in arms about this (like the asian chick who started it all) are 6s at BEST. 10s are probably like “lol this guy is hilarious”.

      Most of what he does is just a social experiment to see how far he can push things which ultimately is good for expanding the encyclopedia of pickup knowledge…without guys pushing boundaries like this we would all think we have to have tailored suits with matching pocket-squares and a BMW and travel to EE taking girls home to show them our wine collection while we act aloof like James Bond to get laid.

      When you understand what he’s doing (and he’s explained stuff like how he purposely writes the most offensive Tweets he can think of etc. MULTIPLE times over the years in his free videos so it’s not just an aftermath damage control explanation) and why he’s doing it, that list of “look what a monster he is, he lied about his dad’s funeral!!!” is all just hilarious shit.

      …unless you’re an ugly feminist. lol”

      Here’s photographic evidence of Julien ASSAULTING and ABUSING Japanese women!! Look at the TERROR on their faces!! Ahhh!! I can’t believe someone took a photo of an actual RAPE IN PROGRESS!!!:


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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      @John
      “I’m not even sure who you are addressing.”

      A bunch of my shit is being lost in mod. :’( Approve it plz CH lol


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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      @John
      “we would all think we have to have tailored suits with matching pocket-squares and a BMW and travel to EE taking girls home to show them our wine collection while we act aloof like James Bond to get laid.”

      “Wha? Who actually thinks this? Normal people without mental problems don’t think this, I can assure you.”

      I know, right?? ;)

      “As far as the Tinder thing, sounds like bullshit and damage control to me. But let’s humor you and say I buy it. What is he actually accomplishing?”

      I will cut and paste it again:

      “he was basically trying to see how far he could push things and still get the girl to meet up.”

      “after each of those text conversations he shows, he would say to the crowd “if I can get numbers off Tinder with THIS shit, you can get numbers too, there’s NO excuse. Just ask for the number and push the interaction.” which is a good lesson.”

      So he’s accomplishing 1) seeing how far he can push the boundaries of having bad/sloppy/creepy/weird game and still pull the number or meet-up, and 2) building evidence to show his students that they don’t have to take Tinder OKCupid etc. so seriously and that getting a number from a girl isn’t a big deal, they’ll hand their number out even to creepy weird guys, so those students are inspired to try going for the number more often because even being super creepy and weird girls are giving him their number.

      I don’t see what’s complicated about this lol Do you really think the guy with tons of footage of him picking up girls online (hit “julien in-field” on youtube) legitimately has text game that bad? Has anyone interacted with any other human beings? Does anyone go out? Am I in some kind of crazy asperger land?

      “Just because it works for them does NOT mean it will work for some Asian manlet running around LA with “sick openers”. The fact that so many on this very forum can’t see this is alarming.”

      ahhh no wonder this doesn’t make sense to you. Thanks for clearing that up lol


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 1:48 pm
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      @John

      I have found you a wife:

      http://news.sky.com/story/1376329/pick-up-artist-julien-blanc-to-be-denied-visa

      The chick who received his Tinder trolling lol They blurred out her face and everything like she’s being interviewed about a pedophile or she’s an FBI informant lol this is the best. I can’t believe they didn’t play dramatic music in the background too.

      I wish his video wasn’t down right now where he talks about literally this exact conversation and explains how he was trolling seeing if he could go from super chodey beta to scary serial killer then throwing a smiley face at the end and apologizing etc.

      People taking his trolling as a serious example of his game blows my mind. Do you think he actually has a kid named Gaspard too? And that he teaches guys to create fake children as the way to get laid? lol

      “To attempt a lifestyle out of it is utterly nerdy and self-destructive, as you’re now witnessing.”

      What would you say about a lifestyle of hanging out in forums where you don’t believe something works for the express purpose of saying it doesn’t work to people who are making it work regularly? I mean we at least have a reason to BE here lol


  • Culum Struan
    on November 20, 2014 at 2:21 am
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    Umm..where in that news story does it actually say (except the headline which is misleading) that Julien has been denied entry into the UK?

    The only solid piece of information there is a Government spokesman saying “We don’t comment on individual cases but the individual involved can do so if they wish”. In other words “We can’t tell you if we banned him or not”.

    The article (and various random quotes) seem to be jumping from Julien’s TV apology to concluding he’s not going to the UK – I’m not sure how? Unless he said on TV he’s cancelling?

    Also, even apart from the media bias, this is just bad reporting. I read somewhere that Julien is Swiss. That means he has the right of free movement within Europe – he doesn’t need a visa. It’s only in extreme cases (like terrorists and stuff) where he can be prevented from entering and I haven’t seen ANY evidence that the UK Government has actually exercised that power.

    I’ve gotta say – this sounds a lot like YaReally posted recently about how the anti-Julien campaign will just pick up on any scraps of info and declare victory whether it is true or not.


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 3:55 am
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      @Culum
      “I’ve gotta say – this sounds a lot like YaReally posted recently about how the anti-Julien campaign will just pick up on any scraps of info and declare victory whether it is true or not.”

      Lol ya, watch the RVF thread (hi, Mike! <3 lol) swarm like piranhas at every unconfirmed vague morsel that comes out, swirling around in another frenzy of "this is the end of RSD!!! Finally, the swindling con-artists who teach the same thing we do and really we ripped most of our material from them to begin with, are going down!!" just like a standard SJW hugbox doggy-pile. No thought, no research, only emotion.

      Like I say, I expected more from a community that prides itself around the idea of digging the truth out from under layers of societal bullshit, corporate/political double-talk, and groupthink. Very disappointing to see men behaving like emotional gossiping women.

      At 9:05 in this vid, Tyler explains why he won't go on Oprah and try to fight this head on. He has a much better grasp of what society's view of pickup is than most of the guys ragging on how RSD handled this, who seem to think their views would be accepted by the 500,000 people who signed a petition to keep Julien out of Brazil lol:

      Even if Julien is banned from everywhere in the world but Vegas, he can do exactly what he's been doing with no problems. Anyone who thinks everyone in RSD is going to banned from every country in the world and that feminists are going to be lined up at nightclubs across the USA protesting is so detached from reality that I don't even have a response for that fantasy lol

      Scroll thru the #takedownjulienblanc hashtag on Twitter and you'll see the same handful of profile pictures over and over at this point.

      It's all right there for anyone who wants to do the research and look deeper than the surface level of what the media is reporting. Deep in my 5000 words posts is everything that explains why this isn't a big deal.

      But like I said before:

      "No one is even going to debate anything I’ve written here, even if they read it. It’s just going to be “lol look at the RSD shill! We know you’re Tyler bro!!” lol It’s not going to be “you know, the business model you’ve described that basically can’t be attacked by outside influences actually has a flaw in this part of it, let me explain and run some numbers”. It’s going to be the same emotional feelz character attacks and snark the SJWs did to the comet shirt guy lol"


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 6:11 am
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      Someone just spliced together footage of Tyler predicting all this MSM reaction shit, and him and Julien teaching their students calibration and backing off, and girls in-field loving “sexual assault” that everyone is outraged about:

      Let’s see if this video gets the front page of every news site and hundreds of thousands of retweets. I’m sure it’ll gain just as much traction as the scandal. That’s why tabloids only cover happy positive stories instead of exaggerated clickbait.

      Like I say, the people who think “jumping ahead of the story” are behind the times. They’re thinking of PR techniques that worked before Twitter and Facebook and instant social media. Before social media when people just talked about shit at the water cooler, ya, releasing a statement was great. Now 100 people will retweet it while 500,000 people will retweet the outrage/exaggeration.

      Better to just let things pass, let the haters celebrate their partly-made-up victories, pat eachother on the back for doing good, and carry on when the SJWs are off raging about some scientist’s offensive shirt or Kim Kardashian’s next booty pics:

      Imagine what the world could accomplish if they came together like this to focus on a real issue lol But they won’t…there’s a new episode of Honey Boo Boo on!


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 12:53 pm
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      @strange daze
      “had the chance to tell the world why game works”

      And how do you think that would go over? lol “Look guys, bitches love being choked. Your mom? She takes it up the ass, she probably had a train run on her in high school and still masturbates to it.”

      You’re right, I’m certain that would go over well with the MSM crowd.


  • walawala
    on November 20, 2014 at 11:46 pm
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    Here’s a way to handle being slagged off by the MSM. Check out how Clinton reframes it.

    Here’s how he could address this the next time he gets an interview:

    Feminists advocating cutting mens’ balls off= genital mutilation.

    50 Shades of Grey sells a shmillion copies,

    Following that whole controversy those protesters against violence against women attacked one of the guys who to a seminar.

    So let’s address the double standard here. If we want to have a sensible debate about domestic violence I’m ready to be part of it….but don’t make me the poster boy for this.

    I made a mistake, my words were take out of context but certainly I’ve paid for it…

    Etc…


    • YaReally
      on November 21, 2014 at 12:17 am
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      @walawala
      “Here’s a way to handle being slagged off by the MSM. Check out how Clinton reframes it.”

      ya, that was super…in 2006. Before social media was the way it is now. That’s my point.

      Clinton’s scandal going down NOW, where instant 1,000,000 member hate-mobs can be rallied up world-wide spreading disinformation with no fact-checking and mass-suppression of any reframes Clinton does and digging out clips of him to edit together slandering vids that can be instantly spread to a million people etc., would be VERY VERY VERY different than back when it happened.

      If Julien had fought back it would only multiply the SJWs attacks on him and everyone else in RSD because they would be EXTRA determined to not let him get away with justifying pickup, and they have the power of numbers and instigating/controlling mass hysteria.

      Sam Pepper put out an immediate “it was all a social experiment, here’s proof, here’s video OF THE ACTORS to show it was all set up” video trying to prevent SJWs from controlling the narrative…and how’d that work out? Laci Green rallied up her SJW army to have the explanation video banned and spread the narrative that he really was out harassing women and now Sam Pepper is toast.

      People keep referencing tactics from before social media. The world has changed, tactics have to update to match that.

      Again look at GamerGate. Everyone keeps telling the GamerGate people to assign a leader and that they have to have a leader to be organized and to put out their message, but the SJWs now dig up everything they can on whoever’s in-charge (or flat out lie/exaggerate) and destroy them to destroy their credibility to try to destroy the movement itself. So GG has refused to assign a leader despite that being the best strategy in all previous “movement” experiences (before social media), and the SJWs can’t find which head of the hydra to cut off to stop it so they can’t stop them with their tactics.

      These are the type of tactics people who want to control the narrative are using now:

      http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5



Male Sexual Entitlement Is Attractive To Women

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via Heartiste

Anonymous
on November 19, 2014 at 12:49 pm
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  • afternoon yak
    on November 19, 2014 at 1:14 pm
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    cue tyler, i mean ya, to defend the business model

    from his media posts j comes off as a true alpha i would pay anything to attend his seminars and absorb his wisdom

    jonesin for some more rsd links pimp away tylerya


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:03 pm
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      @afternoon yak
      “cue tyler, i mean ya, to defend the business model”

      Like I’ve said:

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/thought-experiment-the-alpha-male/#comment-631978

      “RSD’s money comes directly from students. They travel the world for the exposure, and the people going to their Free Tours are fans. Does anyone think they’re posting up advertisements in fucking Starbucks saying “Want to learn how to talk to girls? Come to Julien Blanc’s seminar this Thursday at 3pm!!” like it’s a school rally? lol The guys attending the Free Tour sign up through the website or are brought by a friend, so they’re already open to their ideas.

      Does anyone really think there’s any shortage of nerdy asian/indian IT guys with money who want to learn how to talk to girls and get a girlfriend just in Silicon Valley ALONE? lol Their bootcamps are only 3 people. Julien could teach in Vegas every weekend and be just fine, let alone traveling around the USA, esp with this exposure (“Women love him, men hate him! Learn the secret techniques created by the most hated man in the world!”).

      Their other big money maker is the HotSeat and the only people going to HotSeat are huge fans who know Julien’s humor is dark and extreme so they’re not listening to anything the media says about him.

      The *FREE* Tours that were cancelled make RSD no actual direct money aside from convincing a few people to take a bootcamp but they only need to convince 3 people anyway, so they’re losing out on like 20 sales over a few months maybe, by not being able to send Julien to Australia. Like they can’t find 20 people in Vegas or Silicon Valley ALONE that want to learn how to talk to girls? lol”

      And thanks to the guys posting about it here and RVF for proving my point:

      “No one is even going to debate anything I’ve written here, even if they read it. It’s just going to be “lol look at the RSD shill! We know you’re Tyler bro!!” lol It’s not going to be “you know, the business model you’ve described that basically can’t be attacked by outside influences actually has a flaw in this part of it, let me explain and run some numbers”. It’s going to be the same emotional feelz character attacks and snark the SJWs did to the comet shirt guy lol”

      “jonesin for some more rsd links pimp away tylerya”

      Sure lol:


  • John
    on November 19, 2014 at 1:35 pm
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    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:14 pm
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      lol here’s a huge collection:

      http://tindersfinestbachelors.tumblr.com/post/101828535893/his-mother-must-be-proud

      If you think someone posting shit like:

      “I like my women like I like my cell phone. Broken.”

      “Dear fat girls, even if you lose weight your soul will still remain disgusting.”

      “Dear girls, it’s easy for me to keep secrets because I rarely listen to anything you have to say anyway.”

      “My favorite sexual position is the one where I cum and she doesn’t.”

      “That warm load of sweet cum you just viciously gulped down has a thousand calories. In case you’re wondering why you’re still single.”

      “I wish my girlfriend could work out her face.”

      “The cool thing about being my girlfriend is realizing no one will ever really love you.”

      “Vodka and cum. #MyGirlfriendsDiet”

      “You had me at “My last 3 boyfriends were assholes…””

      “Cumming inside girls is actually pretty relaxing when you just give them a fake name and a fake number.”

      …is the sign of a disturbed and dark mind, and not a collection of hilarious gina-tingling asshole-game one-liners that CH would probably feature in an article if any of us came up with them (and I plan to steal “now if only you could work out your face” when a hottie looking for validation sends me one of those sweaty “just worked out at the gym” pics and “your diet is basically vodka and cum” to a girl I’m teasing when we’re joking around about sex), then the Internet must be a very scary place for your polyanna pearl-clutching self. lol

      Are you a fat feminist? Is that why you’re humorless? Louis CK told a joke about raping a dead baby. He clearly supports raping dead babies. lol


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 11:42 pm
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      Here’s the life story of this monster Julien. lol, clearly the next Manson:


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 11:55 pm
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      Also the vid I linked above of Julien’s life story is a good listen for the guys who are struggling with motivation and feeling like they suck or are having a hard time etc.

      Most of us started out like you did, even the most hated man in the world lol And we put in a LOT more effort than newbies probably realize. I can’t even count the number of nights I went home beating myself up for not approaching at all (walking around for 6 hours without saying a word to anyone despite being out on a Saturday night) or bombing sets all night or fucking up a done deal or forgetting something that would’ve landed me a solid number etc.

      So you’re not alone. This is something you get better with over time, but depending on where you start and how much work you put into it and how much guidance you have and how much you actually go out and apply this stuff in an intelligent way, that period can be anywhere from a year to like 10 years lol

      You can’t learn this stuff without going out. You can know a lot of stuff but you won’t be able to apply it in the moment.


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 9:29 am
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      @John @Greg
      “I linked to a text exchange that shows Julien sputtering into a desperate beta downward spiral. This is a guy who is instructing others how to interact with women.”

      “… just the opposite, especially when the girl wasn’t taking the bait.”

      My point is you guys taking him seriously and not being able to tell he’s trolling is silly. Read below, he literally explained in one of his videos what he’s doing there:

      “One of the latest vids that’s down right now is him talking about these exact texts and fucking around on Tinder. Off the top of my memory (cause it was a fucking funny video) he was basically trying to see how far he could push things and still get the girl to meet up. So he’d try to be the most beta schlub loser in the world telling girls he lives in his grandma’s basement and shit and still get the number. Then he’d try being super fucking creepy and still get the number. Then he’d try randomly going back and forth between being the nicest beta in the world saying stuff like “please tell me if you like me? :) I’m kind of insecure about my looks, I don’t have a lot of friends :(” and then immediately after saying “don’t you dare lie to me like that you fucking whore I’m going to fucking strangle you with my dick :)” with a smiley face at the end then follow it up with “so does tuesday work for you? I’d like to take you to a nice dinner at–” and STILL getting a number.

      In the video he lol’s about how he tells girls he has a son named Gaspard who just died and someone made a facebook fan page and everything:

      http://www.facebook.com/rsdgaspard

      This is how un-seriously he takes this shit.

      Anyway after each of those text conversations he shows, he would say to the crowd “if I can get numbers off Tinder with THIS shit, you can get numbers too, there’s NO excuse. Just ask for the number and push the interaction.” which is a good lesson. Most people are trying WAY too hard. My Tinder convos are full of me just fucking around self-amusing telling girls my dick is tiny and shit. The hotter girls love it because they don’t take that shit seriously either. I’d bet that most of the girls up in arms about this (like the asian chick who started it all) are 6s at BEST. 10s are probably like “lol this guy is hilarious”.

      Most of what he does is just a social experiment to see how far he can push things which ultimately is good for expanding the encyclopedia of pickup knowledge…without guys pushing boundaries like this we would all think we have to have tailored suits with matching pocket-squares and a BMW and travel to EE taking girls home to show them our wine collection while we act aloof like James Bond to get laid.

      When you understand what he’s doing (and he’s explained stuff like how he purposely writes the most offensive Tweets he can think of etc. MULTIPLE times over the years in his free videos so it’s not just an aftermath damage control explanation) and why he’s doing it, that list of “look what a monster he is, he lied about his dad’s funeral!!!” is all just hilarious shit.

      …unless you’re an ugly feminist. lol”

      Here’s photographic evidence of Julien ASSAULTING and ABUSING Japanese women!! Look at the TERROR on their faces!! Ahhh!! I can’t believe someone took a photo of an actual RAPE IN PROGRESS!!!:


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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      @John
      “I’m not even sure who you are addressing.”

      A bunch of my shit is being lost in mod. :'( Approve it plz CH lol


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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      @John
      “we would all think we have to have tailored suits with matching pocket-squares and a BMW and travel to EE taking girls home to show them our wine collection while we act aloof like James Bond to get laid.”

      “Wha? Who actually thinks this? Normal people without mental problems don’t think this, I can assure you.”

      I know, right?? ;)

      “As far as the Tinder thing, sounds like bullshit and damage control to me. But let’s humor you and say I buy it. What is he actually accomplishing?”

      I will cut and paste it again:

      “he was basically trying to see how far he could push things and still get the girl to meet up.”

      “after each of those text conversations he shows, he would say to the crowd “if I can get numbers off Tinder with THIS shit, you can get numbers too, there’s NO excuse. Just ask for the number and push the interaction.” which is a good lesson.”

      So he’s accomplishing 1) seeing how far he can push the boundaries of having bad/sloppy/creepy/weird game and still pull the number or meet-up, and 2) building evidence to show his students that they don’t have to take Tinder OKCupid etc. so seriously and that getting a number from a girl isn’t a big deal, they’ll hand their number out even to creepy weird guys, so those students are inspired to try going for the number more often because even being super creepy and weird girls are giving him their number.

      I don’t see what’s complicated about this lol Do you really think the guy with tons of footage of him picking up girls online (hit “julien in-field” on youtube) legitimately has text game that bad? Has anyone interacted with any other human beings? Does anyone go out? Am I in some kind of crazy asperger land?

      “Just because it works for them does NOT mean it will work for some Asian manlet running around LA with “sick openers”. The fact that so many on this very forum can’t see this is alarming.”

      ahhh no wonder this doesn’t make sense to you. Thanks for clearing that up lol


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 1:48 pm
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      @John

      I have found you a wife:

      http://news.sky.com/story/1376329/pick-up-artist-julien-blanc-to-be-denied-visa

      The chick who received his Tinder trolling lol They blurred out her face and everything like she’s being interviewed about a pedophile or she’s an FBI informant lol this is the best. I can’t believe they didn’t play dramatic music in the background too.

      I wish his video wasn’t down right now where he talks about literally this exact conversation and explains how he was trolling seeing if he could go from super chodey beta to scary serial killer then throwing a smiley face at the end and apologizing etc.

      People taking his trolling as a serious example of his game blows my mind. Do you think he actually has a kid named Gaspard too? And that he teaches guys to create fake children as the way to get laid? lol

      “To attempt a lifestyle out of it is utterly nerdy and self-destructive, as you’re now witnessing.”

      What would you say about a lifestyle of hanging out in forums where you don’t believe something works for the express purpose of saying it doesn’t work to people who are making it work regularly? I mean we at least have a reason to BE here lol


  • Culum Struan
    on November 20, 2014 at 2:21 am
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    Umm..where in that news story does it actually say (except the headline which is misleading) that Julien has been denied entry into the UK?

    The only solid piece of information there is a Government spokesman saying “We don’t comment on individual cases but the individual involved can do so if they wish”. In other words “We can’t tell you if we banned him or not”.

    The article (and various random quotes) seem to be jumping from Julien’s TV apology to concluding he’s not going to the UK – I’m not sure how? Unless he said on TV he’s cancelling?

    Also, even apart from the media bias, this is just bad reporting. I read somewhere that Julien is Swiss. That means he has the right of free movement within Europe – he doesn’t need a visa. It’s only in extreme cases (like terrorists and stuff) where he can be prevented from entering and I haven’t seen ANY evidence that the UK Government has actually exercised that power.

    I’ve gotta say – this sounds a lot like YaReally posted recently about how the anti-Julien campaign will just pick up on any scraps of info and declare victory whether it is true or not.


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 3:55 am
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      @Culum
      “I’ve gotta say – this sounds a lot like YaReally posted recently about how the anti-Julien campaign will just pick up on any scraps of info and declare victory whether it is true or not.”

      Lol ya, watch the RVF thread (hi, Mike! <3 lol) swarm like piranhas at every unconfirmed vague morsel that comes out, swirling around in another frenzy of "this is the end of RSD!!! Finally, the swindling con-artists who teach the same thing we do and really we ripped most of our material from them to begin with, are going down!!" just like a standard SJW hugbox doggy-pile. No thought, no research, only emotion.

      Like I say, I expected more from a community that prides itself around the idea of digging the truth out from under layers of societal bullshit, corporate/political double-talk, and groupthink. Very disappointing to see men behaving like emotional gossiping women.

      At 9:05 in this vid, Tyler explains why he won't go on Oprah and try to fight this head on. He has a much better grasp of what society's view of pickup is than most of the guys ragging on how RSD handled this, who seem to think their views would be accepted by the 500,000 people who signed a petition to keep Julien out of Brazil lol:

      Even if Julien is banned from everywhere in the world but Vegas, he can do exactly what he's been doing with no problems. Anyone who thinks everyone in RSD is going to banned from every country in the world and that feminists are going to be lined up at nightclubs across the USA protesting is so detached from reality that I don't even have a response for that fantasy lol

      Scroll thru the #takedownjulienblanc hashtag on Twitter and you'll see the same handful of profile pictures over and over at this point.

      It's all right there for anyone who wants to do the research and look deeper than the surface level of what the media is reporting. Deep in my 5000 words posts is everything that explains why this isn't a big deal.

      But like I said before:

      "No one is even going to debate anything I’ve written here, even if they read it. It’s just going to be “lol look at the RSD shill! We know you’re Tyler bro!!” lol It’s not going to be “you know, the business model you’ve described that basically can’t be attacked by outside influences actually has a flaw in this part of it, let me explain and run some numbers”. It’s going to be the same emotional feelz character attacks and snark the SJWs did to the comet shirt guy lol"


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 6:11 am
      Original Link

      Someone just spliced together footage of Tyler predicting all this MSM reaction shit, and him and Julien teaching their students calibration and backing off, and girls in-field loving “sexual assault” that everyone is outraged about:

      Let’s see if this video gets the front page of every news site and hundreds of thousands of retweets. I’m sure it’ll gain just as much traction as the scandal. That’s why tabloids only cover happy positive stories instead of exaggerated clickbait.

      Like I say, the people who think “jumping ahead of the story” are behind the times. They’re thinking of PR techniques that worked before Twitter and Facebook and instant social media. Before social media when people just talked about shit at the water cooler, ya, releasing a statement was great. Now 100 people will retweet it while 500,000 people will retweet the outrage/exaggeration.

      Better to just let things pass, let the haters celebrate their partly-made-up victories, pat eachother on the back for doing good, and carry on when the SJWs are off raging about some scientist’s offensive shirt or Kim Kardashian’s next booty pics:

      Imagine what the world could accomplish if they came together like this to focus on a real issue lol But they won’t…there’s a new episode of Honey Boo Boo on!


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 12:53 pm
      Original Link

      @strange daze
      “had the chance to tell the world why game works”

      And how do you think that would go over? lol “Look guys, bitches love being choked. Your mom? She takes it up the ass, she probably had a train run on her in high school and still masturbates to it.”

      You’re right, I’m certain that would go over well with the MSM crowd.


  • walawala
    on November 20, 2014 at 11:46 pm
    Original Link

    Here’s a way to handle being slagged off by the MSM. Check out how Clinton reframes it.

    Here’s how he could address this the next time he gets an interview:

    Feminists advocating cutting mens’ balls off= genital mutilation.

    50 Shades of Grey sells a shmillion copies,

    Following that whole controversy those protesters against violence against women attacked one of the guys who to a seminar.

    So let’s address the double standard here. If we want to have a sensible debate about domestic violence I’m ready to be part of it….but don’t make me the poster boy for this.

    I made a mistake, my words were take out of context but certainly I’ve paid for it…

    Etc…


    • YaReally
      on November 21, 2014 at 12:17 am
      Original Link

      @walawala
      “Here’s a way to handle being slagged off by the MSM. Check out how Clinton reframes it.”

      ya, that was super…in 2006. Before social media was the way it is now. That’s my point.

      Clinton’s scandal going down NOW, where instant 1,000,000 member hate-mobs can be rallied up world-wide spreading disinformation with no fact-checking and mass-suppression of any reframes Clinton does and digging out clips of him to edit together slandering vids that can be instantly spread to a million people etc., would be VERY VERY VERY different than back when it happened.

      If Julien had fought back it would only multiply the SJWs attacks on him and everyone else in RSD because they would be EXTRA determined to not let him get away with justifying pickup, and they have the power of numbers and instigating/controlling mass hysteria.

      Sam Pepper put out an immediate “it was all a social experiment, here’s proof, here’s video OF THE ACTORS to show it was all set up” video trying to prevent SJWs from controlling the narrative…and how’d that work out? Laci Green rallied up her SJW army to have the explanation video banned and spread the narrative that he really was out harassing women and now Sam Pepper is toast.

      People keep referencing tactics from before social media. The world has changed, tactics have to update to match that.

      Again look at GamerGate. Everyone keeps telling the GamerGate people to assign a leader and that they have to have a leader to be organized and to put out their message, but the SJWs now dig up everything they can on whoever’s in-charge (or flat out lie/exaggerate) and destroy them to destroy their credibility to try to destroy the movement itself. So GG has refused to assign a leader despite that being the best strategy in all previous “movement” experiences (before social media), and the SJWs can’t find which head of the hydra to cut off to stop it so they can’t stop them with their tactics.

      These are the type of tactics people who want to control the narrative are using now:

      http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5



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all
on November 19, 2014 at 4:19 pm
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Not a fan of the precedent that is set from Julien being barred from the UK, but this couldn’t have went another way. Anyone that hasn’t been living under a rock knows you can’t go snatching from the cookie jar in plain sight without being ostracized to the nth degree. He might have game, but he doesn’t know how to play THE game.


  • YaReally
    on November 19, 2014 at 10:23 pm
    Original Link

    @all
    “Not a fan of the precedent that is set from Julien being barred from the UK”

    A lot of people aren’t. There’s a wave of “hey uhhh, this is kind of setting a bad precedent” coming out of that one.

    Watch the interview, it’s logic VS feels lol

    @bloke
    “read those posts and tell us that’s game. if you think so i’ve got a couple of bridges to sell you. fraud exposed. rsd finished. j back to trolling for fat 4s at last call”

    lol. Like I said here:

    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/cognitive-stratification-and-female-obesity/#comment-628959

    “One of the latest vids that’s down right now is him talking about these exact texts and fucking around on Tinder. Off the top of my memory (cause it was a fucking funny video) he was basically trying to see how far he could push things and still get the girl to meet up. So he’d try to be the most beta schlub loser in the world telling girls he lives in his grandma’s basement and shit and still get the number. Then he’d try being super fucking creepy and still get the number. Then he’d try randomly going back and forth between being the nicest beta in the world saying stuff like “please tell me if you like me? :) I’m kind of insecure about my looks, I don’t have a lot of friends :(” and then immediately after saying “don’t you dare lie to me like that you fucking whore I’m going to fucking strangle you with my dick :)” with a smiley face at the end then follow it up with “so does tuesday work for you? I’d like to take you to a nice dinner at–” and STILL getting a number.

    In the video he lol’s about how he tells girls he has a son named Gaspard who just died and someone made a facebook fan page and everything:

    http://www.facebook.com/rsdgaspard

    This is how un-seriously he takes this shit.

    Anyway after each of those text conversations he shows, he would say to the crowd “if I can get numbers off Tinder with THIS shit, you can get numbers too, there’s NO excuse. Just ask for the number and push the interaction.” which is a good lesson. Most people are trying WAY too hard. My Tinder convos are full of me just fucking around self-amusing telling girls my dick is tiny and shit. The hotter girls love it because they don’t take that shit seriously either. I’d bet that most of the girls up in arms about this (like the asian chick who started it all) are 6s at BEST. 10s are probably like “lol this guy is hilarious”.

    Most of what he does is just a social experiment to see how far he can push things which ultimately is good for expanding the encyclopedia of pickup knowledge…without guys pushing boundaries like this we would all think we have to have tailored suits with matching pocket-squares and a BMW and travel to EE taking girls home to show them our wine collection while we act aloof like James Bond to get laid.

    When you understand what he’s doing (and he’s explained stuff like how he purposely writes the most offensive Tweets he can think of etc. MULTIPLE times over the years in his free videos so it’s not just an aftermath damage control explanation) and why he’s doing it, that list of “look what a monster he is, he lied about his dad’s funeral!!!” is all just hilarious shit.

    …unless you’re an ugly feminist. lol”



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all
on November 19, 2014 at 4:19 pm
Original Link

Not a fan of the precedent that is set from Julien being barred from the UK, but this couldn’t have went another way. Anyone that hasn’t been living under a rock knows you can’t go snatching from the cookie jar in plain sight without being ostracized to the nth degree. He might have game, but he doesn’t know how to play THE game.


  • YaReally
    on November 19, 2014 at 10:23 pm
    Original Link

    @all
    “Not a fan of the precedent that is set from Julien being barred from the UK”

    A lot of people aren’t. There’s a wave of “hey uhhh, this is kind of setting a bad precedent” coming out of that one.

    Watch the interview, it’s logic VS feels lol

    @bloke
    “read those posts and tell us that’s game. if you think so i’ve got a couple of bridges to sell you. fraud exposed. rsd finished. j back to trolling for fat 4s at last call”

    lol. Like I said here:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/cognitive-stratification-and-female-obesity/#comment-628959

    “One of the latest vids that’s down right now is him talking about these exact texts and fucking around on Tinder. Off the top of my memory (cause it was a fucking funny video) he was basically trying to see how far he could push things and still get the girl to meet up. So he’d try to be the most beta schlub loser in the world telling girls he lives in his grandma’s basement and shit and still get the number. Then he’d try being super fucking creepy and still get the number. Then he’d try randomly going back and forth between being the nicest beta in the world saying stuff like “please tell me if you like me? :) I’m kind of insecure about my looks, I don’t have a lot of friends :(” and then immediately after saying “don’t you dare lie to me like that you fucking whore I’m going to fucking strangle you with my dick :)” with a smiley face at the end then follow it up with “so does tuesday work for you? I’d like to take you to a nice dinner at–” and STILL getting a number.

    In the video he lol’s about how he tells girls he has a son named Gaspard who just died and someone made a facebook fan page and everything:

    http://www.facebook.com/rsdgaspard

    This is how un-seriously he takes this shit.

    Anyway after each of those text conversations he shows, he would say to the crowd “if I can get numbers off Tinder with THIS shit, you can get numbers too, there’s NO excuse. Just ask for the number and push the interaction.” which is a good lesson. Most people are trying WAY too hard. My Tinder convos are full of me just fucking around self-amusing telling girls my dick is tiny and shit. The hotter girls love it because they don’t take that shit seriously either. I’d bet that most of the girls up in arms about this (like the asian chick who started it all) are 6s at BEST. 10s are probably like “lol this guy is hilarious”.

    Most of what he does is just a social experiment to see how far he can push things which ultimately is good for expanding the encyclopedia of pickup knowledge…without guys pushing boundaries like this we would all think we have to have tailored suits with matching pocket-squares and a BMW and travel to EE taking girls home to show them our wine collection while we act aloof like James Bond to get laid.

    When you understand what he’s doing (and he’s explained stuff like how he purposely writes the most offensive Tweets he can think of etc. MULTIPLE times over the years in his free videos so it’s not just an aftermath damage control explanation) and why he’s doing it, that list of “look what a monster he is, he lied about his dad’s funeral!!!” is all just hilarious shit.

    …unless you’re an ugly feminist. lol”



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Anonymous
on November 19, 2014 at 5:32 pm
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julien blanc broke an apoligised

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/living/2014/11/17/newday-intv-cuomo-blanc-dating.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rsdnation.com%2Fnode%2F551104%2Fforum

maybe it was the only option him and rsd had at this stage…sad to see


  • Hammer of Love
    on November 19, 2014 at 6:58 pm
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    Sorry to say but most people will break when the ” system” threatens their income stream, in this case, Julien’s must of been fairly large judging by his reaction. A true Alpha would of said fuck it, went on the interview, and told the douche bag interviewing him, that the the only reason he teaches those ” asshole ” game techniques, is because they actually work on female psychology. In stead, he shriveled up and “appeared ” nervous. I guess, another so called “Alpha” idol just got destroyed. Remember, never back down in front of shaming techniques, own up to your believes, or otherwise get new ones you actually believe in.


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:38 pm
      Original Link

      @Hammer of Love
      “Remember, never back down in front of shaming techniques, own up to your believes, or otherwise get new ones you actually believe in.”

      When you read the full CNN transcript he actually did pretty good at defending what he actually teaches (separating it from the offensive stuff) and sticking to trying to make 2 or 3 key points repeatedly:

      http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1411/17/nday.04.html

      Where he says, about what he teaches (with the implication that he’s teaching men how to abuse and assault women):

      Julien: “You know, I teach guys how to socialize, how to approach women, but I also teach them how to back off and when to leave. I have been doing this for five years, and I’ve easily pushed thousands of clients.

      There’s never been a single incident and there is a reason for that. It’s the bigger part of our seminars are focused on when to back off. How to read the signs of consent and this year, again stupid posts, I made stupid pictures I put up do not represent what I teach in anyway whatsoever.”

      Julien: “So we do teach when to back off like everyone is hammered in, unfortunately, it isn’t condensed into those pictures there.”

      Julien: “This is not what sells the seminar. The seminar sells with the results they produces and no one, there will not be thousands of guys signing up for some seminar that promote those things.”

      Julien: ” As I mentioned, I did not teach them what you are mentioning here. I teach them how to socialize. I teach them how to express themselves. I teach them when to back off when the girl is not interested. That’s what I teach.”

      Julien: “Which they never would without a sign of consent and that’s what I hammer on.”

      Julien: “That’s not what I teach. Don’t again confuse what I teach versus some stupid attempt at humor.”

      Julien: “I do want to clarify, that’s not what I teach. None of my clients do this and I don’t make my clients do this either.”

      Julien: ” I just want to clarify I do teach when to back off. The world’s reaction is to broaden more focus on that and I’m definitely — if I continue with to teach this.”

      Julien: “I’m going to reinforce that I do teach consent and I teach it, you know, in a very clear way for like any guy to understand, if there is how to read girl, what signs she is not into it.”

      Meanwhile the interviewer guy basically flat-out tells him he’s pushing a narrative instead of looking to give him a fair chance to explain anything:

      Interviewer: “I looked at your site, full admission. I didn’t study because I didn’t study it the way I normally would because I didn’t really see the point, to be honest. I don’t see anything about pulling back.”

      But all you’ll see in the video are the first few minutes when he’s nervous and not warmed up. If you can read that full transcript and say “Julien totally bitched out and denounced everything and exposed himself as a fraud who doesn’t even believe in what he teaches and could’ve convinced that guy and won over the SJWs watching” then you are insane.

      End of the day, once the wave of “Julien banned from the UK” Tweets dies down everything will fall off the radar as people move onto the next outrage of the week.

      And like some guy on RSD posted, they’ll be left with double the registered users and guests:

      http://web.archive.org/web/20140625083630/http://www.rsdnation.com/forum

      “jun 2014 shows: There are currently 720 users and 13387 guests online.
      nov 2014 currently: There are currently 1199 users and 26825 guests online.

      almost doubled in registered users online and double in guests online. And I am sure at least 10% of the guests online would some what take interest in the RSD material.”

      http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=julien%20blanc&q2=kardashian&q3=roosh&via=Topsy

      Also Papa has confirmed that Alex and Brad still work at RSD. They’re just laying low so they don’t get caught up in Julien’s shit-storm. Business will resume as usual in a few weeks/months.

      brb, gotta’ go run my company RSD now!! Illuminati! 666!!


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 12:50 pm
      Original Link

      @Hammer
      “Alphas don’t explain themselves or their actions, I thought that was one of the main rules around here.”

      lol


  • Greg Eliot
    on November 20, 2014 at 8:52 am
    Original Link

    That’s okay… some of the PUA Lochinvars of the Boudoir here at the chateau will be along shortly to explain how this was an absolutely brilliant, pussy-slaying, alpha thing to do.

    (((shakin’ mah haid, but wid a hearty chortle)))


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 11:24 pm
      Original Link

      @John
      “Where are all the testimonials of men praising RSD for how it’s totally changed their lives?”

      Here’s 1746 threads worth:

      http://www.rsdnation.com/forums/success-stories

      You can load the main forum page for a bunch more.

      “Julien is out there “spreading value” constantly, where are all the friends he’s made to stand up and have his back?”

      Nobody sane is gonna throw themselves into this shit-storm lol Pickup by it’s nature (kino without getting consent first, escalating sexually without verbal “yes”s etc.) is borderline illegal and the MSM doesn’t like it to begin with. There’s no way to win over the MSM so sticking your neck out would be retarded unless you are LARPing being a “real man alpha male rarrrr!! who cares if it takes a company or results in thousands of students being witch-hunted!! a real man doesn’t look at explosions bitch!!!”

      “Why is Owen Cook the father of a lovechild with a manjaw spic one deviation away from a common street whore?”

      lol’ed

      “Why does he bring his child to his seminars and pat him on the head saying “you were an accident” in front of an audience? Is this the behavior of a high value male?””

      Don’t take life so seriously, you’ll never get out alive.


  • Randy the Random
    on November 20, 2014 at 2:53 pm
    Original Link

    And this ladies and gentlemen, is why you need to focus on being alpha, and not on being PUA. Julien got DOMINATED by this cocksucker. I bet this interviewer was a homo, and is going to fuck Julien in the ass later.

    I could not watch this without wincing. If a man ever speaks to me like that, I warn him to shut his cunt mouth before he regrets it. Don’t EVER LET ANYONE disrespect you in this manner. Julien may as well have taken off his pants, gotten on his lap and taken the belt to the ass.

    Fucking naseating. I hang out mostly with guys who’ve done time, and they’re the most respectful people I know. Do you know why? Because if you disrespect them, you’re dead. Natural selection. How do you think they do with women, btw?

    There’s only one rule in a man’s life: Don’t be a pussy, and don’t be an idiot.

    Julien violated both.

    On a related note, we are entering a brave new world where men can be denied visas for their blog posts. What you post on wordpress, facebook and twitter can be used to deny your basic rights without any due process. I predicted this, which is why I post everything anonymously.

    Better smarten up folks, the Brave New World is here.


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 11:40 pm
      Original Link

      @Reco
      “You guys don’t get it. You cannot win with the MSM. They will find a way to fuck you over. They lie they cheat, they edit what you say they voice over, they take what you say out of context or add their own context, they leave out your rebuttals.

      If you could get caught in a live feed with multiple media sources there at the same time then maybe the truth would leak out before they would edit it down.

      They lie they lie they fucking lie!”

      This. They’ve been controlling the GamerGate narrative for 2 months now and that’s with tens of thousands of nerds fighting back 24/7 relentlessly. The only reason GG hasn’t been officially closed in everyone’s mind as a campaign by white neckbeards to harass women out of the industry is because the GG’ers have been fighting non-stop against all the lies and bullshit and mass media slandering them.

      A handful of pickup instructors at RSD aren’t going to be able to take down the MSM by fighting back if the combined effort of all the GG’ers hasn’t been able to. I’d say research GG but no one will lol

      What happens is the only opportunity they get to explain themselves that’ll actually get spread around is something like CNN where they’ll get raped. That will go viral. If they put out their OWN explanation/video? No one will retweet it, and everyone will INCREASE tweeting the false narrative to avoid looking wrong and like they overreacted.

      So your options are either go on CNN and attempt to smooth things over and get millions of views of it, or put out your own video that 1000 people see while 100,000 people increase their attempts to push their narrative and cover your explanation up.

      It’s a no-win situ, but the CNN coverage at least gets a half-hearted apology out there to help quiet the storm. People who think them putting out a statement would get righteous front page coverage and be spread by all the outraged SJWs who are running on feels over facts, are living in a fantasy land or not understanding how social media has changed news/PR.

      I wouldn’t have done the CNN interview if I was them:

      http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=takedownjulienblanc&q2=julien%20blanc&q3=rsd&via=Topsy

      You can see the campaign was dying down. Then they went on CNN and boom, back in the spotlight. As long as Cosby keeps trying to make appearances and shit, he’s going to keep getting shit on. That’s just how the media works these days.

      “On a related note, we are entering a brave new world where men can be denied visas for their blog posts. What you post on wordpress, facebook and twitter can be used to deny your basic rights without any due process. I predicted this, which is why I post everything anonymously.”

      Yup. This should be the big worry. I’m lol’ing when I see other PUAs/red pill/manosphere guys lol at Julien’s situ like they don’t think the SJWs will be coming for them next. Red pill/MGTOW/MRA/PUA/Manosphere/etc. are all the same to their rage machine and this has set a very bad precedent and has revealed how much power the SJWs have.



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Anonymous
on November 19, 2014 at 5:32 pm
Original Link

julien blanc broke an apoligised

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/living/2014/11/17/newday-intv-cuomo-blanc-dating.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rsdnation.com%2Fnode%2F551104%2Fforum

maybe it was the only option him and rsd had at this stage…sad to see


  • Hammer of Love
    on November 19, 2014 at 6:58 pm
    Original Link

    Sorry to say but most people will break when the ” system” threatens their income stream, in this case, Julien’s must of been fairly large judging by his reaction. A true Alpha would of said fuck it, went on the interview, and told the douche bag interviewing him, that the the only reason he teaches those ” asshole ” game techniques, is because they actually work on female psychology. In stead, he shriveled up and “appeared ” nervous. I guess, another so called “Alpha” idol just got destroyed. Remember, never back down in front of shaming techniques, own up to your believes, or otherwise get new ones you actually believe in.


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 10:38 pm
      Original Link

      @Hammer of Love
      “Remember, never back down in front of shaming techniques, own up to your believes, or otherwise get new ones you actually believe in.”

      When you read the full CNN transcript he actually did pretty good at defending what he actually teaches (separating it from the offensive stuff) and sticking to trying to make 2 or 3 key points repeatedly:

      http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1411/17/nday.04.html

      Where he says, about what he teaches (with the implication that he’s teaching men how to abuse and assault women):

      Julien: “You know, I teach guys how to socialize, how to approach women, but I also teach them how to back off and when to leave. I have been doing this for five years, and I’ve easily pushed thousands of clients.

      There’s never been a single incident and there is a reason for that. It’s the bigger part of our seminars are focused on when to back off. How to read the signs of consent and this year, again stupid posts, I made stupid pictures I put up do not represent what I teach in anyway whatsoever.”

      Julien: “So we do teach when to back off like everyone is hammered in, unfortunately, it isn’t condensed into those pictures there.”

      Julien: “This is not what sells the seminar. The seminar sells with the results they produces and no one, there will not be thousands of guys signing up for some seminar that promote those things.”

      Julien: ” As I mentioned, I did not teach them what you are mentioning here. I teach them how to socialize. I teach them how to express themselves. I teach them when to back off when the girl is not interested. That’s what I teach.”

      Julien: “Which they never would without a sign of consent and that’s what I hammer on.”

      Julien: “That’s not what I teach. Don’t again confuse what I teach versus some stupid attempt at humor.”

      Julien: “I do want to clarify, that’s not what I teach. None of my clients do this and I don’t make my clients do this either.”

      Julien: ” I just want to clarify I do teach when to back off. The world’s reaction is to broaden more focus on that and I’m definitely — if I continue with to teach this.”

      Julien: “I’m going to reinforce that I do teach consent and I teach it, you know, in a very clear way for like any guy to understand, if there is how to read girl, what signs she is not into it.”

      Meanwhile the interviewer guy basically flat-out tells him he’s pushing a narrative instead of looking to give him a fair chance to explain anything:

      Interviewer: “I looked at your site, full admission. I didn’t study because I didn’t study it the way I normally would because I didn’t really see the point, to be honest. I don’t see anything about pulling back.”

      But all you’ll see in the video are the first few minutes when he’s nervous and not warmed up. If you can read that full transcript and say “Julien totally bitched out and denounced everything and exposed himself as a fraud who doesn’t even believe in what he teaches and could’ve convinced that guy and won over the SJWs watching” then you are insane.

      End of the day, once the wave of “Julien banned from the UK” Tweets dies down everything will fall off the radar as people move onto the next outrage of the week.

      And like some guy on RSD posted, they’ll be left with double the registered users and guests:

      http://web.archive.org/web/20140625083630/http://www.rsdnation.com/forum

      “jun 2014 shows: There are currently 720 users and 13387 guests online.
      nov 2014 currently: There are currently 1199 users and 26825 guests online.

      almost doubled in registered users online and double in guests online. And I am sure at least 10% of the guests online would some what take interest in the RSD material.”

      http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=julien%20blanc&q2=kardashian&q3=roosh&via=Topsy

      Also Papa has confirmed that Alex and Brad still work at RSD. They’re just laying low so they don’t get caught up in Julien’s shit-storm. Business will resume as usual in a few weeks/months.

      brb, gotta’ go run my company RSD now!! Illuminati! 666!!


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 12:50 pm
      Original Link

      @Hammer
      “Alphas don’t explain themselves or their actions, I thought that was one of the main rules around here.”

      lol


  • Greg Eliot
    on November 20, 2014 at 8:52 am
    Original Link

    That’s okay… some of the PUA Lochinvars of the Boudoir here at the chateau will be along shortly to explain how this was an absolutely brilliant, pussy-slaying, alpha thing to do.

    (((shakin’ mah haid, but wid a hearty chortle)))


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 11:24 pm
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      @John
      “Where are all the testimonials of men praising RSD for how it’s totally changed their lives?”

      Here’s 1746 threads worth:

      http://www.rsdnation.com/forums/success-stories

      You can load the main forum page for a bunch more.

      “Julien is out there “spreading value” constantly, where are all the friends he’s made to stand up and have his back?”

      Nobody sane is gonna throw themselves into this shit-storm lol Pickup by it’s nature (kino without getting consent first, escalating sexually without verbal “yes”s etc.) is borderline illegal and the MSM doesn’t like it to begin with. There’s no way to win over the MSM so sticking your neck out would be retarded unless you are LARPing being a “real man alpha male rarrrr!! who cares if it takes a company or results in thousands of students being witch-hunted!! a real man doesn’t look at explosions bitch!!!”

      “Why is Owen Cook the father of a lovechild with a manjaw spic one deviation away from a common street whore?”

      lol’ed

      “Why does he bring his child to his seminars and pat him on the head saying “you were an accident” in front of an audience? Is this the behavior of a high value male?””

      Don’t take life so seriously, you’ll never get out alive.


  • Randy the Random
    on November 20, 2014 at 2:53 pm
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    And this ladies and gentlemen, is why you need to focus on being alpha, and not on being PUA. Julien got DOMINATED by this cocksucker. I bet this interviewer was a homo, and is going to fuck Julien in the ass later.

    I could not watch this without wincing. If a man ever speaks to me like that, I warn him to shut his cunt mouth before he regrets it. Don’t EVER LET ANYONE disrespect you in this manner. Julien may as well have taken off his pants, gotten on his lap and taken the belt to the ass.

    Fucking naseating. I hang out mostly with guys who’ve done time, and they’re the most respectful people I know. Do you know why? Because if you disrespect them, you’re dead. Natural selection. How do you think they do with women, btw?

    There’s only one rule in a man’s life: Don’t be a pussy, and don’t be an idiot.

    Julien violated both.

    On a related note, we are entering a brave new world where men can be denied visas for their blog posts. What you post on wordpress, facebook and twitter can be used to deny your basic rights without any due process. I predicted this, which is why I post everything anonymously.

    Better smarten up folks, the Brave New World is here.


    • YaReally
      on November 20, 2014 at 11:40 pm
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      @Reco
      “You guys don’t get it. You cannot win with the MSM. They will find a way to fuck you over. They lie they cheat, they edit what you say they voice over, they take what you say out of context or add their own context, they leave out your rebuttals.

      If you could get caught in a live feed with multiple media sources there at the same time then maybe the truth would leak out before they would edit it down.

      They lie they lie they fucking lie!”

      This. They’ve been controlling the GamerGate narrative for 2 months now and that’s with tens of thousands of nerds fighting back 24/7 relentlessly. The only reason GG hasn’t been officially closed in everyone’s mind as a campaign by white neckbeards to harass women out of the industry is because the GG’ers have been fighting non-stop against all the lies and bullshit and mass media slandering them.

      A handful of pickup instructors at RSD aren’t going to be able to take down the MSM by fighting back if the combined effort of all the GG’ers hasn’t been able to. I’d say research GG but no one will lol

      What happens is the only opportunity they get to explain themselves that’ll actually get spread around is something like CNN where they’ll get raped. That will go viral. If they put out their OWN explanation/video? No one will retweet it, and everyone will INCREASE tweeting the false narrative to avoid looking wrong and like they overreacted.

      So your options are either go on CNN and attempt to smooth things over and get millions of views of it, or put out your own video that 1000 people see while 100,000 people increase their attempts to push their narrative and cover your explanation up.

      It’s a no-win situ, but the CNN coverage at least gets a half-hearted apology out there to help quiet the storm. People who think them putting out a statement would get righteous front page coverage and be spread by all the outraged SJWs who are running on feels over facts, are living in a fantasy land or not understanding how social media has changed news/PR.

      I wouldn’t have done the CNN interview if I was them:

      http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=takedownjulienblanc&q2=julien%20blanc&q3=rsd&via=Topsy

      You can see the campaign was dying down. Then they went on CNN and boom, back in the spotlight. As long as Cosby keeps trying to make appearances and shit, he’s going to keep getting shit on. That’s just how the media works these days.

      “On a related note, we are entering a brave new world where men can be denied visas for their blog posts. What you post on wordpress, facebook and twitter can be used to deny your basic rights without any due process. I predicted this, which is why I post everything anonymously.”

      Yup. This should be the big worry. I’m lol’ing when I see other PUAs/red pill/manosphere guys lol at Julien’s situ like they don’t think the SJWs will be coming for them next. Red pill/MGTOW/MRA/PUA/Manosphere/etc. are all the same to their rage machine and this has set a very bad precedent and has revealed how much power the SJWs have.



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Culum Struan
on November 20, 2014 at 5:44 am
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YaReally and the gang – not really a seduction/field report but very interesting experience on social/group dynamics and shit tests:

Interesting evening a few days ago. Out with a group of friends – not “gaming” as such. Mixed group including several married couples with kids. Age range late 20s to late 30s.

One (married) woman – mid thirties, HB6-7. VERY strong personality and frame. Like a real ballbuster, loud, has to dominate every conversation, be the social centre, tease people etc. Totally queen bee, even regarding the men. Friend of my ex-gf (although even my ex found the way she dominates every conversation annoying).

I know her reasonably well on a social level but not more than that.

Some conversation (group of 8 people) about men and women cheating and who cheats more etc.

Her (to me, jokingly but taking a dig): So I bet you cheated when you were with [my ex-gf]

Me: Lol [not denying although of course it isn't true]

Her: Wait, I’m getting my phone out to record you and send it to your ex [gets phone out]

Me: People – she just wants an excuse to get her iPhone 6 out and show it off! [everyone laughs and she looks flustered and punches me on the arm and laughs]

3 min later

Her: [shoves phone near me and asks question again about cheating in a "jokey" way]

Me: [caught off-guard a bit as was not in game mode and wasn't expecting it]: “No I didn’t..yes I did..maybe” [not in a very strong tone of voice]

5 min later – same topic of convo

Some Other Guy: No, no I’d never cheat on my wife [very beta]

Me: Lol – yeah, totally I cheated on my ex [obv a joke]

Her: [not entirely seriously while shaking her head] You are so dangerous..I wonder if [my ex] knew what kind of guy she was with for years..

10 min later

Her: You know [Culum]..last weekend at that party..after you left, we were talking about books and I was telling everyone how much I loved Game of Thrones and they all looked blank and I realised that you’d left and my only ally in reading those books had gone and nobody else understood..

Me: Hm.


I know I lost frame in the middle for a bit when I didn’t do full-on Agree and Amplify when she was recording me, but the rest of it I think I handled well – the rest of the group was pretty entertained and laughing with me and at one point I even managed to apply some social pressure on her (with the iPhone 6 comment).

Handling this social dynamic stuff is interesting..her husband (who, BTW is taller and better looking than me) was standing silently right there – I’ve never heard him give her any attitude – I think she has him firmly under control (she was “joking” at one point about how she’s thought of cheating on him so many times because he’s so useless but she’s never actually gone to the trouble of actually doing it because it would be too much hassle since she’s stuck with him).

I have NO wish to bang this woman, but my sense is that even with my partial fumble, she doesn’t meet many guys who can hold frame against her and handle her attitude even to the extent that I did. And I think as a result she was attracted to me – especially around the iPhone 6 comment.

I’m willing to bet if she was on a business trip or something and got hit on by someone with strong dominance and frame, she would totally bang his brains out without a second thought.

It’s amazing though – even in a non-game/pickup situation how ALL the other guys there were total wusses and didn’t stand up for themselves or make fun of her back..


  • YaReally
    on November 20, 2014 at 2:01 pm
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    Wants to bone you, obvs. She’s testing for your views on infidelity. But don’t do it, she’ll blackmail you when you try to end it (gave it away when she threatened to record your answer and send it to your girl). Stay away.

    Not sure if they want a 3-some, but hubby can tell she likes you. He doesn’t know how to deal with it though (as they usually don’t).

    Passing shit-tests (iPhone 6 burn) builds attraction. Super basic pickup concept in action here. She keeps coming back to you and focusing on you because by blowing her test out of the water you become an interesting puzzle and she’s determined to one-up you, but you’re smarter than her so she can’t, which makes her up things even more, etc. until you two are in a little bubble in the middle of the room with everyone else forced into observer mode just watching what’s happening and she’s literally not even aware of her husband anymore…her RAS (Reticular Activation System, basically your brain’s way of focusing on important information while ignoring unimportant information) becomes fully focused on you.

    Part of why I get fast attraction and I can keep girls’ attention on me when there are better looking dudes around is I provoke shit-tests on purpose so I can pass them and spike attraction faster and get her RAS fully focused on me while the guy stands there going “hurrr durrr” not sure what’s going on but knowing he’s losing the girl to me, and I’m not doing anything outwardly hostile to him or directly seductive to her, so he can’t get mad at me. I just seem more interesting to her than he does because I’m giving her a bunch of emotional spikes in a short period of time.



Male Sexual Entitlement Is Attractive To Women

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Culum Struan
on November 20, 2014 at 5:44 am
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YaReally and the gang – not really a seduction/field report but very interesting experience on social/group dynamics and shit tests:

Interesting evening a few days ago. Out with a group of friends – not “gaming” as such. Mixed group including several married couples with kids. Age range late 20s to late 30s.

One (married) woman – mid thirties, HB6-7. VERY strong personality and frame. Like a real ballbuster, loud, has to dominate every conversation, be the social centre, tease people etc. Totally queen bee, even regarding the men. Friend of my ex-gf (although even my ex found the way she dominates every conversation annoying).

I know her reasonably well on a social level but not more than that.

Some conversation (group of 8 people) about men and women cheating and who cheats more etc.

Her (to me, jokingly but taking a dig): So I bet you cheated when you were with [my ex-gf]

Me: Lol [not denying although of course it isn’t true]

Her: Wait, I’m getting my phone out to record you and send it to your ex [gets phone out]

Me: People – she just wants an excuse to get her iPhone 6 out and show it off! [everyone laughs and she looks flustered and punches me on the arm and laughs]

3 min later

Her: [shoves phone near me and asks question again about cheating in a “jokey” way]

Me: [caught off-guard a bit as was not in game mode and wasn’t expecting it]: “No I didn’t..yes I did..maybe” [not in a very strong tone of voice]

5 min later – same topic of convo

Some Other Guy: No, no I’d never cheat on my wife [very beta]

Me: Lol – yeah, totally I cheated on my ex [obv a joke]

Her: [not entirely seriously while shaking her head] You are so dangerous..I wonder if [my ex] knew what kind of guy she was with for years..

10 min later

Her: You know [Culum]..last weekend at that party..after you left, we were talking about books and I was telling everyone how much I loved Game of Thrones and they all looked blank and I realised that you’d left and my only ally in reading those books had gone and nobody else understood..

Me: Hm.


I know I lost frame in the middle for a bit when I didn’t do full-on Agree and Amplify when she was recording me, but the rest of it I think I handled well – the rest of the group was pretty entertained and laughing with me and at one point I even managed to apply some social pressure on her (with the iPhone 6 comment).

Handling this social dynamic stuff is interesting..her husband (who, BTW is taller and better looking than me) was standing silently right there – I’ve never heard him give her any attitude – I think she has him firmly under control (she was “joking” at one point about how she’s thought of cheating on him so many times because he’s so useless but she’s never actually gone to the trouble of actually doing it because it would be too much hassle since she’s stuck with him).

I have NO wish to bang this woman, but my sense is that even with my partial fumble, she doesn’t meet many guys who can hold frame against her and handle her attitude even to the extent that I did. And I think as a result she was attracted to me – especially around the iPhone 6 comment.

I’m willing to bet if she was on a business trip or something and got hit on by someone with strong dominance and frame, she would totally bang his brains out without a second thought.

It’s amazing though – even in a non-game/pickup situation how ALL the other guys there were total wusses and didn’t stand up for themselves or make fun of her back..


  • YaReally
    on November 20, 2014 at 2:01 pm
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    Wants to bone you, obvs. She’s testing for your views on infidelity. But don’t do it, she’ll blackmail you when you try to end it (gave it away when she threatened to record your answer and send it to your girl). Stay away.

    Not sure if they want a 3-some, but hubby can tell she likes you. He doesn’t know how to deal with it though (as they usually don’t).

    Passing shit-tests (iPhone 6 burn) builds attraction. Super basic pickup concept in action here. She keeps coming back to you and focusing on you because by blowing her test out of the water you become an interesting puzzle and she’s determined to one-up you, but you’re smarter than her so she can’t, which makes her up things even more, etc. until you two are in a little bubble in the middle of the room with everyone else forced into observer mode just watching what’s happening and she’s literally not even aware of her husband anymore…her RAS (Reticular Activation System, basically your brain’s way of focusing on important information while ignoring unimportant information) becomes fully focused on you.

    Part of why I get fast attraction and I can keep girls’ attention on me when there are better looking dudes around is I provoke shit-tests on purpose so I can pass them and spike attraction faster and get her RAS fully focused on me while the guy stands there going “hurrr durrr” not sure what’s going on but knowing he’s losing the girl to me, and I’m not doing anything outwardly hostile to him or directly seductive to her, so he can’t get mad at me. I just seem more interesting to her than he does because I’m giving her a bunch of emotional spikes in a short period of time.



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Reco
on November 18, 2014 at 1:01 pm
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Hey Yareally,HABD, Walawala, here is an interesting one. Not only is this a potential fail to learn from but also the greatest illustration I have seen to date of the woman’s conflict between the forebrain and hindbrain. So I meet this chick online 38 Columbian native lived in the US for quite a while. English is still not strong. She is hot close to an 8 at 38YO rocking body. We have a nice chat about 6 weeks ago she is ready to meet right away. But I am going out of town for a week. So we stay in touch with light chatting and flirting online and phone while I am away planning to meet when I get back. On the day of my return she sends me a nice text saying she met someone else and how much she liked our conversations, blah blah. No big deal. Water off a ducks back. I know this shit does not always work out so I will contact her in a month. Month rolls around I contact her with a high energy Christian McQueen style text with curse words. She responded but did say she did not like it, and wasn’t so sure about meeting up. Then I was reading about how to game latina’s is a lot more physical and a lot milder verbal. So I changed my tactic midstream. And realized that I needed to kind of mellow out a little which I did. More beta flirty texts , and after a few days of this told her to meet me for drinks and she agreed and mentioned my telling her what to do. I did not apologize just proceded as normal.

We meet up. And she is a bit cold. Colder than our initial interactions a month ago. But I usually do pretty well on dates with conversation and flirting. We start having fun and having drinks. She warms up considerably. She asks me a lot of questions. I answer and evade and tease. She tells me how confident I am. She is divorced and her husband cheated on her three times, (ha he probably cheated on her dozens of times). Date goes really well push to go to her place up the street but she refuses. Small makeout not easy to do in front of the car valet and all the people waiting to get their car. Lol By this time she is all amped up.

She is sending me cute little flirty texts all the way home. Next morning same thing. We had agreed to go out the next night because that would fit both of our schedules well. I know I should have waited but she seemed like she was on a strong escalation path to fuck town. So next morning nice flirty text she is receptive still. Then later I send her text telling her where to meet. She makes a big deal out of me telling her what to do and complains. Then she wants to talk on the phone when we do she mentions it again. I act like it is no big deal. Knowing she is from Columbia It should not be an issue traditional society and all. In addition my making plans are affirmative and fun. I am not being mean or bossy or nasty. But the conversation is ok she is laughing and she agrees to meet.

I get to her apartment and we walk to the bar for a drink. Now she is really cold. Very little conversation body language is bad. Its like something happened. Some kind of outside force other than the two of us. She is cordial but cold. We actually get into a discussion at the bar about me telling her instead of me asking. I just shrugged and smiled and said that’s who I am. Then she tells me right out, “I don’t like it”, then the next words out of her mouth were “it makes me feel good”!!! Yes that’s exactly how this dingbat said it. I pointed this out to her and she got a worried look on her face and then said yes “it felt like when I was a little girl and my father would tell me what to do” she then smiled and then frowned and went back to digging her heels in. I knew I was not going to win an argument and get the pussy. So I just said. “Don’t you want to be happy?” She said yes, but would not relent. Discussion ended without it being really a fight. But I could tell this was not going anywhere. I held my frame.

I continue to game her. DHV, smiling body language, a few takeways, lots of touching which she never resisted. But her body language was bad. Walked her home kissed her. Bad kiss. And I figured this is a lost cause. My take is that her idiot American friends got to her and pushed her with their you go girl attitude. They are all white entitled cunts with fucked up lives all in their 20’s. So I am thinking I am not going to change that shit. I Did not call her again. It has been exactly two weeks to the day no contact, and today I get call and a hangup from her. No message just the hangup.

I know there was attraction there. I know she is thinking about me. Question is what do I do about this? I don’t think I have the patience to deal with her bullshit and her friends feeding her bullshit. But I sure would like to knock the bottom out of this one. Lol What do you guys think? Is this worth pursuing? Would it take too much to pull her into my frame? She has the whole Columbian upbringing which is so good. I love Columbian women they are so sexy and fun and flirty and easy going. I have dated them before and they are awesome. But she has only her American friends in this country and they are her primary influence I am sure.


  • Sentient
    on November 18, 2014 at 2:32 pm
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    I wouldn’t be so quick to blame the friends… probably have nothing to do with it. Looks like you did attraction but not comfort and rapport, and got into a pissing match with her over your alpha pose.

    Is the goal to hold alpha frame (when no one is watching but you) or score?

    Calibrate, she was upset with the cursing and text, and then your telling her what to do, she rejected your invitation to her place, small makeout, bad kiss… None of that is positive. And her husband cheated on her. So she is wary of the pump and dump and probably unsure of how to deal with life post divorce.

    “she got a worried look on her face and then said yes “it felt like when I was a little girl and my father would tell me what to do” she then smiled and then frowned and went back to digging her heels in. I knew I was not going to win an argument and get the pussy. So I just said. “Don’t you want to be happy?”BR

    On this here, instead of getting into a logical conversation you could have pulled her in close, hugged her, smiled, looked into her eyes and said something like “your not a little girl anymore” or some shit and diffused things that way.

    Anyway, she pinged you with the hang up, so she still has some interest. Freeze her out a week or so and reengage like nothing ever happened. When you tell her again what you will be doing, expect a test and make a joke about it A&A and give her some comfort “Hey we got off on a bad foot last time, and I’ve been busy, so come meet me at XYZ and you can pick out my drink for me… ” sometimes just a glimmer of beta comfort is enough so she can beat back her hamster…

    And lighten up Reco. It’s all a game.


    • YaReally
      on November 18, 2014 at 7:49 pm
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      @reco
      Calibration is what makes this an art. You have to constantly calibrate. Like I might be able to tell a girl responds well to dominance, so I show more of my dominant side, but then it crosses some line in her head and her life experiences where it shuts her down. So I read that and can tell it’s a legit emotion, so I back off on the dominance a bit to make her comfortable again and then slide back into dominance but with her more comfortable now, while being aware of that line I crossed before. Then maybe she calls me too dominant and says she hates me but I can read that she doesn’t mean it and this time is just a shit-test and she’s actually just frustrated with herself for being attracted to me so I calibrate to that and keep my dominance or step it up and she loves it.

      Calibrating moment to moment is key. Women change on a dime based on their emotions in the moment so what was amazing to her a few minutes ago is repulsive to her once her emotions have changed. Being able to read that and adjust is important.

      The biggest thing is learning to read when she’s genuinely upset or turned off where you back up and change plans, and when she’s just shit-testing where you keep going full-tilt.

      This comes from just field experience and reading women and learning to notice the little things like her making out with you on the first meet but being ice cold on the day2 means you can’t just resume where you left off from the first meet you have to calibrate and bring her back into the receptive state she was in that night. Or you may meet up for the day2 and she’s super receptive and you can just pick up where you left off and quickly get the lay.

      It’s not that the rules of attraction are inconsistent. It’s that women themselves are inconsistent so you have to learn which rules apply in each moment and adapt to the fluid changes. And how you execute those rules could change your value up or down to where other rules now come into play and you have to calibrate to her new view of you…like your value shot too high so she starts seeing you as unattainable and you have to lower your value with some humility. But then she gets complimented by someone and feels cocky and sees herself as higher value than you so you calibrate to that and tease her to bring your values back in check. If you had teased her when she felt you were too high value you would have lost her. This is calibration.

      Buoyancy is a constant rule, but the design of the ship and how it’s manned may change depending on the state of the ocean it’s sailing in. In poker a pair of aces is a good hand but you calibrate to the game and your opponents and may have to fold them.

      Playing the numbers game where it’s one approach fits all and if the girl doesn’t play along move on is easier to teach and can get results, but the original Mystery Method was a massive art form of calibration. Highly recommend it if you have the free time to consume it lol I can hook you up with some YouTube links for it if you like. The actual book is great, should be able to find it easily posted in PDF form in google. The original MM is way deeper than anything people teach these days and places a huge emphasis in calibration and fluidly adjusting your game.


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 7:17 am
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      “@Truman It started out well, but she’s bored because it’s not going anywhere.

      You want to use text game to do one of 3 things: 1) set up a meeting 2) sexualize the interaction 3) build comfort”

      This.

      walawala is dead on. You went “sideways” as I call it instead of going forward…just fluffing and filling time, not progressing anything toward a meetup/lay/sexual interaction. She can read a website about tourism if she wants to know about that shit lol

      Some ways to turn things sexual (in your case you’re super asexual to her so you would have to use very light indirect type sexual stuff instead of hard direct sexual stuff (like “you stayed in to flirt on Tinder all night” vs “you stayed in to flick your bean to animal porn” lol):

      1) misinterpret that she’s flirting with you or into you (“I would really like to go someday :)” “woah, inviting yourself on my next trip already? you move fast. Stage 5 clinger alert.” (gay but I’m in a rush right now lol))

      2) roleplay (“my weekend was chill” “that’s no good, let’s run off to Vegas and do XXX (skinny dipping in fountains or getting drunk and married at a chapel or she can fold your dollar bills for you to stuff in the g-strings at the rippers, something very lightly sexually themed, like clearly a joke, since your tone is super asexual at this point so you gotta’ warm up to it slow or it’ll come off too incongruent to her)

      3) cold read (“you know what they say about girls who stay inside all the time…” (insert some kind of lightly sexual cold read here) Or “I bet a lot of people think you’re boring when you say you stayed in all weekend, but *I* know that what you were REALLY doing was–” (again something lightly sexual, like flirting with Tinder boys or something))

      “Don’t you ever scare girls off by sexualising the interaction too soon?”

      Better than boring her off by being asexual. ;)

      “That’s what I’m worried about with this one because of her being shy.”

      Like walawala says: calibrate. If you go too far, read that and pull back, blow it off as no big deal if it wasn’t too far over the line, or full out apologize if it crossed way too far. You may blow it entirely and creep her out, but that’s why we don’t shit where we eat when we’re learning to calibrate lol


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 8:43 am
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      @Reco
      “Also what do you suggest I do moving forward. Wait about a week and ping her?””

      http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?5492-How-To-Soft-Next-Step-by-step-instructions-and-answers-to-questions

      She’s 38 and you’re a cool attractive dude, she loses on more than you do if you stop contacting her and she knows it deep down because most guys are lame, but she also knows that most guys will crack especially older guys. The phone call is like when a cat won’t play with the string so you dangle it in front of it to try to entice it to chase.

      “And how would you calibrate to her negative attitude on me telling her where we go on dates?”

      I’m a dick so I would text her like normal and be flirty and charming but just not push to meet up at all and when she gets frustrated and says “when are we going to go on another date??”, say “I’d love to, but you don’t like when I tell you what to do.” and then ignore everything she texts for a few days so she can contemplate whether her new-found feminist values are worth losing my attention and her friends can call me a jerk while she just gets more attracted that I’m disciplining her, then a few days later tell her to meet me somewhere AND what to wear lol

      You don’t have to do that, but don’t stop what you’re doing. If she actually didn’t like it she wouldn’t say it makes her feel good and she wouldn’t be dialing you. She’s just frustrated that she likes the alpha daddy shit because it goes against being a strong independent woman. Her former boyfriends/husband were probably huge pussies so she’s not used to giving up control and hates that she likes it because she has X number of years of that not being how relationships are.

      “Just ask her next time? Lol”

      God no. Fuck what she says she wants. Don’t get into logical debates with her, just lol and shrug and if she harps on and on about it walk away. Drop a “I’m not sure we’ll get along. I love the chemistry we have together, but you don’t like men who lead you, and that’s the type of man I am. I think you would be happier with someone else. But thank-you for a lovely evening.” and then walk away and don’t look back (or attempt to settle up the tab or call her a cab etc.).

      Or stare her down with a slight half-grin doing laser-eyes on her while she yaps about how she hates it, and slowly cut the space to get up in her fac, then when she’s flustered just wordlessly go for the kiss.

      She likes what you’re doing, that’s why she’s still around you and smiling through her frowns and shit. She doesn’t WANT you to cave and supplicate.

      This is one of those things I was talking about where some “I don’t like that” statements rae legit and some are a shit-test. This “I don’t like being bossed around” is just a shit-test, because she’s still giving you ioi’s through it (smiling, meeting up with you, calling you after 2 weeks of silence, etc.). You haven’t ACTUALLY offended her. But her cold shoulder when you met up with her wasn’t a shit-test, she needed to be warmed up there and brought back into a receptive mood.

      The difference is subtle but important, and again it comes from just field experience, fucking up a bunch by going too far and by not going far enough and then learning to guage that middle ground and adapting it with each girl in each moment of the interaction. This is why I tell guys they can’t learn this shit through just reading online from their computer chair, you have to go out and build the reference experiences (good and bad, succeeding and fucking up) in your brain to be able to do this all on the fly.

      For me, I don’t even think about 90% of this stuff when I’m actually in the interaction. It’s all just feeling the vibe and flowing for me…but that’s because I already went through the stage you’re going through and I’m on the other side of it where my brain is just making a million little calculations at once subconsciously while you’re having to calculate those things one by one consciously right now. It’ll get easier over time, I promise, just like you probably don’t think much when you’re driving a car now VS when you were a teenager.


  • having a bad day
    on November 19, 2014 at 11:22 am
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    “Hey Yareally,HABD, Walawala, here is an interesting one. Not only is this a potential fail to learn from but also the greatest illustration I have seen to date of the woman’s conflict between the forebrain and hindbrain. So I meet this chick online 38 Columbian native lived in the US for quite a while. English is still not strong. She is hot close to an 8 at 38YO rocking body. We have a nice chat about 6 weeks ago she is ready to meet right away. But I am going out of town for a week. So we stay in touch with light chatting and flirting online and phone while I am away planning to meet when I get back. On the day of my return she sends me a nice text saying she met someone else [shit test…] and how much she liked our conversations, blah blah. No big deal. Water off a ducks back. I know this shit does not always work out so I will contact her in a month. [better to spot and handle the shit test right away…lol] Month rolls around I contact her with a high energy Christian McQueen style text with curse words. She responded but did say she did not like it,[shit test…] and wasn’t so sure about meeting up. [shit test…and setting up more shit testing…]Then I was reading about how to game latina’s is a lot more physical and a lot milder verbal. So I changed my tactic midstream. [good calibration] And realized that I needed to kind of mellow out a little which I did. [good calibration] More beta flirty texts [why?…beta is almost always bad…] , and after a few days of this told her to meet me for drinks and she agreed and mentioned my telling her what to do. [shit test…] I did not apologize just proceded as normal. [good…]

    We meet up. And she is a bit cold. [shit test…] Colder than our initial interactions a month ago. But I usually do pretty well on dates with conversation and flirting. We start having fun and having drinks. She warms up considerably. She asks me a lot of questions. I answer and evade and tease. She tells me how confident I am. She is divorced and her husband cheated on her three times,[did this clue you in on the type of guy she is aroused by?…lol…or did you think that she wanted someone different?…] (ha he probably cheated on her dozens of times). Date goes really well push to go to her place up the street but she refuses. [you should have ended the date right there…] Small makeout not easy to do in front of the car valet and all the people waiting to get their car. [so, why did you push for this?…did you intentionally signal your DLV/lack of options/intent to get shit tested harder next date…?…lol...] Lol By this time she is all amped up.

    She is sending me cute little flirty texts all the way home. [less investment for her…and standard rolodex page for beta provider/orbiter guys…they eat that up…lol…bc it gives them 'hope'…] Next morning same thing. [repeat comment…lol] We had agreed to go out the next night because that would fit both of our schedules well. I know I should have waited [why?…did you get the feeling the date didn't go well for you getting sex? see YaReally's comments on 'waiting'…] she seemed like she was on a strong escalation path to fuck town. [really? or was this beta 'hope' getting in the way of an accurate read of the situ?…] So next morning nice flirty text she is receptive still. [why wouldn't she be? did you expect her to bail on you?…if so, why?] Then later I send her text telling her where to meet. She makes a big deal out of me telling her what to do and complains. [shit test…and bigger than last time, right?…] Then she wants to talk on the phone [shit test/hoop to jump thru…did you ignore her demand? or call her...] when we do she mentions it again. [shit test again…she really wants you to pass this particular test…lol…] I act like it is no big deal. [you probably passed the shit test at this point…] Knowing she is from Columbia It should not be an issue traditional society and all. [it's not…except as a test. it could be this is her personal issue test…if you pass this, she'll do anything you want, but if you don't, she won't sex you up at all…] In addition my making plans are affirmative and fun. I am not being mean or bossy or nasty. But the conversation is ok she is laughing and she agrees to meet.

    I get to her apartment and we walk to the bar for a drink. [why did you leave there without sex first?…serious question…she agreed to isolation with you…did you recognize this…and convert?...] Now she is really cold. [wonder why?…lol…also, shit test…] Very little conversation body language is bad. Its like something happened. [no sex for her…lol…] Some kind of outside force other than the two of us. [no…just you…lol] She is cordial but cold. We actually get into a discussion at the bar about me telling her instead of me asking. [bc you had passed this test, but didn't sex her up when you had the chance, and now she can't believe that you really did pass this test…so she has to bring it up again...] I just shrugged and smiled and said that’s who I am. Then she tells me right out, “I don’t like it”, then the next words out of her mouth were “it makes me feel good”!!! Yes that’s exactly how this dingbat said it. [she's NOT a dingbat, just a girl…lol…and she was giving you an opportunity to convert this to a 'make her feel good all the time' issue…lol] I pointed this out to her [= trying to win logical argument about a shit test = beta fail…] and she got a worried look on her face and then said yes “it felt like when I was a little girl and my father would tell me what to do” she then smiled and then frowned and went back to digging her heels in. [see below for analysis] I knew I was not going to win an argument and get the pussy. [bc you didnt realize what was in play, and how to redirect it...or for some other reason…?] I just said. “Don’t you want to be happy?” She said yes, but would not relent. [logic = beta fail…] Discussion ended without it being really a fight. But I could tell this was not going anywhere. I held my frame. [sounds like she held her frame bc you couldn't get her to move to a new one…yours…]

    I continue to game her. DHV, smiling body language, a few takeways, lots of touching which she never resisted. But her body language was bad. [that's called 'resisting'…lol…] Walked her home kissed her. Bad kiss. And I figured this is a lost cause. My take is that her idiot American friends got to her and pushed her with their you go girl attitude. [nah...were they on the date with you two?…lol] They are all white entitled cunts with fucked up lives all in their 20’s. [that's a good demographic...are they cute? can you game them, too?…lol] So I am thinking I am not going to change that shit. I Did not call her again. It has been exactly two weeks to the day no contact, and today I get call and a hangup from her. No message just the hangup. [that's a 'chase me' rolodex tech…lol...so, she wants you to keep playing, but can't really tell you straight out…lol…that's why girls do that 'pocket dial' shit…and why YOU should never do that…lol…did you buy her dinner?…how deep are you into the beta provider box already, and can you dig your way out?...]

    I know there was attraction there. [duh…she invited you to an isolated location…alone…by yourself…with her…lol] I know she is thinking about me. Question is what do I do about this? I don’t think I have the patience to deal with her bullshit and her friends feeding her bullshit. [how about an opportunity to work on YOU…and your game…lol…] But I sure would like to knock the bottom out of this one. Lol What do you guys think? Is this worth pursuing? [ya…] Would it take too much to pull her into my frame? She has the whole Columbian upbringing which is so good. I love Columbian women they are so sexy and fun and flirty and easy going. I have dated them before and they are awesome. But she has only her American friends in this country and they are her primary influence I am sure.”

    nah…it’s not her friends…that’s what it looks like when you don’t avoid her beta provider algorithm and ping her alpha stud algorithm at the same time…that’s called incongruence…lol…and it results in shit testing…lol…it started with her rolodex play on the ‘meeting somebody else’ text and went up from there…

    and you went along with her when she’s trying to put you into her ‘default’ box of beta provider (especially given her age…lol…but that is every girl’s default bc alphas avoid the beta box…it’s a filter…) but at the same time you keep throwing out alpha stud cues (taking things sexual and fun), so she needs to shit test you more and more, to try to figure out where you fit…that’s how you spin up that guard dog situ…lol…remember princess prude?…

    at some point, she is so confused that she just shuts down…it’s called sensory overload…and hamsters get it too…lol…

    refresher = spot and pass shit test = pull her into you frame…miss/don’t pass shit test = her frame…
    you deal with her calling out your ‘telling her’ by agree and amplify…same as any shit test…spot the shit test, pass the shit test…lol

    you – meet me here… (alpha frame)
    her – you told me what to do…i don’t like that…(shit test for alpha stud or beta provider, right? can you maintain congruence as alpha, so she’ll feel comfortable sucking your cock in the bathroom?…lol)
    you – [eye contact] well, i gotta be me…hmmm, sit in your chair…[smirk]…wear [whatever she's wearing]…[smirk]…(then take it sexual…) look sexy…[smirk]…have a kissable mouth…[smirk]…[look her up and down] have great tits/ass/legs…[smirk]…etc.

    if she objects at all…say ‘no, really, you have a kissable mouth [go in for the kiss]…’

    you get the idea…if she objects again, rinse and repeat…just don’t answer with a direct response to her question/testing…keep it fun…lol…every time she brings it up, get more sexual…lol…and make sure she knows that’s what you are doing so she can control how raunchy you get…lol…

    BUT…do NOT argue with her about it = her frame…

    also, that ‘coldness’ is a default shit test. (plus she was pissed that you didn’t sex her up…lol…and that it wouldn’t be her ‘fault’…it just happened…lol…) it’s wired into girls bc they can’t just stay in the ‘i’m horny for you’ state all the time or they’d just get knocked up by a bunch of betas…lol…so, that filter is always turned on. it just gets stronger if you’ve pinged her alpha stud algorithm in the past without getting sex…lol…

    and the more you ping it without sex (converting on your opportunity…lol), the stronger it will be the next time…guard dog situ…lol…that’s why it’s so important to be able to push through to sex when you start to ping that. next time it gets harder…and why it’s relatively easy to get to sex when you can ping it properly in the first place…girls (their hindbrains) want to find those alpha stud genetics…lol…they’re relatively rare in the real world…and if you can’t get to sex right away (by passing her shit testing AND converting on your opportunity…), maybe you really are a beta who just got lucky a couple of times…and really only wants to hold hands…lol. girls really aren’t that good at figuring this stuff out…regardless of how much they seem to think/feel they are…that’s wired in too…

    so, congratulations! you’re getting better!…lol…now, you just have to figure out how to reverse getting slotted into beta provider/orbiter box. plus, i’ll point out that you have ASD to deal with now…lol. As YaReally and the other guys pointed out, it’s just calibration…but that comes after spotting/passing basic shit testing…

    ping her in a week or two, and treat it like a flake…don’t mention it again…and convert on this isolation opportunities…

    good luck!


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 6:31 pm
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      @reco
      Response in mod

      Agree with what habd is saying esp about trying to force you into beta bux. It’s not even that you’re necessarily givin off beta bux behavior, it’s more that she’s 38 and knows she’s hitting the wall and needs to lock a guy down ASAP.

      Her frustration with you leading is probably coming from “when he does that, it makes me want to fuck him, but I’m trying to be good and NOT fuck him because I need an LTR guy, so I need him to stop doing that because it’s frustrating me”. Kind of like if you were determined not to fuck a chick and then she shows up in her sexied outfit and rubs her tits in your face and you know you’re going to crack and are annoyed with her for hitting your weakness. Or if you’re on a diet and someone dangles a cookie in front of you. You want that cookie soooo but know you shouldn’t.

      Keep doing what you’re doing. Keep leading. Walk away if she hassles you too much. She needs you more than you need her, understand how high your value is. She’s surrounded by lame guys that DONT make her feel those frustrated sexual feelings.


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 6:46 pm
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      @Reco
      “@HABD by the way here is the text exchange when I went to pick her up at her apartment on the 2nd date. This is minutes before she was coming down. I was trying to get inside. Just like Roosh said.”

      Try seeding an excuse to come up or bring her up to your place. When you just say “I’ll come up and get you” that’s a high ASD think. When you say “Show me that thing we talked about” it’s like oh okay, he’s just coming up to see that thing and then it “just happens”. Or “come up and you can see that thing I told you about. You can only stay for a few minutes (or one drink) though, I have to work in the morning so I can’t be up all night.” Like that kind of thing is a huge ASD disarm VS “you should come up…….” after a makeout.

      It probably won’t work on her either way cause she’s 38 and trying so hard to not fuck you too soon so she knows to avoid being isolated near a bed with you lol but just in general for the future there’s something to keep in mind with the final pull to a bedroom location.

      You could probably get her with full out dishonesty, promising her the moon and shit. But it’s more satisfying to get the lay on your own terms VS stringing her along. Less guilty conscience too lol

      If she DOES sleep with you she is gonna try hard to lock you down to rationalize it. Like if she cracks and bangs you her brain will go “ok if I make him be my bf then that wasn’t slutty that was okay” and she may go into overdrive batshit crazy mode trying to lock you down lol. So be careful. Don’t let her know anything about you that can be traced to eff up your normal life.

      I’d say you can pull this off still, the attraction is there, but I can’t guarantee it’ll be worth the effort or that there won’t be drama to deal with if you manage to lol



Alpha Or Beta Male?

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Reco
on November 18, 2014 at 1:01 pm
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Hey Yareally,HABD, Walawala, here is an interesting one. Not only is this a potential fail to learn from but also the greatest illustration I have seen to date of the woman’s conflict between the forebrain and hindbrain. So I meet this chick online 38 Columbian native lived in the US for quite a while. English is still not strong. She is hot close to an 8 at 38YO rocking body. We have a nice chat about 6 weeks ago she is ready to meet right away. But I am going out of town for a week. So we stay in touch with light chatting and flirting online and phone while I am away planning to meet when I get back. On the day of my return she sends me a nice text saying she met someone else and how much she liked our conversations, blah blah. No big deal. Water off a ducks back. I know this shit does not always work out so I will contact her in a month. Month rolls around I contact her with a high energy Christian McQueen style text with curse words. She responded but did say she did not like it, and wasn’t so sure about meeting up. Then I was reading about how to game latina’s is a lot more physical and a lot milder verbal. So I changed my tactic midstream. And realized that I needed to kind of mellow out a little which I did. More beta flirty texts , and after a few days of this told her to meet me for drinks and she agreed and mentioned my telling her what to do. I did not apologize just proceded as normal.

We meet up. And she is a bit cold. Colder than our initial interactions a month ago. But I usually do pretty well on dates with conversation and flirting. We start having fun and having drinks. She warms up considerably. She asks me a lot of questions. I answer and evade and tease. She tells me how confident I am. She is divorced and her husband cheated on her three times, (ha he probably cheated on her dozens of times). Date goes really well push to go to her place up the street but she refuses. Small makeout not easy to do in front of the car valet and all the people waiting to get their car. Lol By this time she is all amped up.

She is sending me cute little flirty texts all the way home. Next morning same thing. We had agreed to go out the next night because that would fit both of our schedules well. I know I should have waited but she seemed like she was on a strong escalation path to fuck town. So next morning nice flirty text she is receptive still. Then later I send her text telling her where to meet. She makes a big deal out of me telling her what to do and complains. Then she wants to talk on the phone when we do she mentions it again. I act like it is no big deal. Knowing she is from Columbia It should not be an issue traditional society and all. In addition my making plans are affirmative and fun. I am not being mean or bossy or nasty. But the conversation is ok she is laughing and she agrees to meet.

I get to her apartment and we walk to the bar for a drink. Now she is really cold. Very little conversation body language is bad. Its like something happened. Some kind of outside force other than the two of us. She is cordial but cold. We actually get into a discussion at the bar about me telling her instead of me asking. I just shrugged and smiled and said that’s who I am. Then she tells me right out, “I don’t like it”, then the next words out of her mouth were “it makes me feel good”!!! Yes that’s exactly how this dingbat said it. I pointed this out to her and she got a worried look on her face and then said yes “it felt like when I was a little girl and my father would tell me what to do” she then smiled and then frowned and went back to digging her heels in. I knew I was not going to win an argument and get the pussy. So I just said. “Don’t you want to be happy?” She said yes, but would not relent. Discussion ended without it being really a fight. But I could tell this was not going anywhere. I held my frame.

I continue to game her. DHV, smiling body language, a few takeways, lots of touching which she never resisted. But her body language was bad. Walked her home kissed her. Bad kiss. And I figured this is a lost cause. My take is that her idiot American friends got to her and pushed her with their you go girl attitude. They are all white entitled cunts with fucked up lives all in their 20’s. So I am thinking I am not going to change that shit. I Did not call her again. It has been exactly two weeks to the day no contact, and today I get call and a hangup from her. No message just the hangup.

I know there was attraction there. I know she is thinking about me. Question is what do I do about this? I don’t think I have the patience to deal with her bullshit and her friends feeding her bullshit. But I sure would like to knock the bottom out of this one. Lol What do you guys think? Is this worth pursuing? Would it take too much to pull her into my frame? She has the whole Columbian upbringing which is so good. I love Columbian women they are so sexy and fun and flirty and easy going. I have dated them before and they are awesome. But she has only her American friends in this country and they are her primary influence I am sure.


  • Sentient
    on November 18, 2014 at 2:32 pm
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    I wouldn’t be so quick to blame the friends… probably have nothing to do with it. Looks like you did attraction but not comfort and rapport, and got into a pissing match with her over your alpha pose.

    Is the goal to hold alpha frame (when no one is watching but you) or score?

    Calibrate, she was upset with the cursing and text, and then your telling her what to do, she rejected your invitation to her place, small makeout, bad kiss… None of that is positive. And her husband cheated on her. So she is wary of the pump and dump and probably unsure of how to deal with life post divorce.

    “she got a worried look on her face and then said yes “it felt like when I was a little girl and my father would tell me what to do” she then smiled and then frowned and went back to digging her heels in. I knew I was not going to win an argument and get the pussy. So I just said. “Don’t you want to be happy?”BR

    On this here, instead of getting into a logical conversation you could have pulled her in close, hugged her, smiled, looked into her eyes and said something like “your not a little girl anymore” or some shit and diffused things that way.

    Anyway, she pinged you with the hang up, so she still has some interest. Freeze her out a week or so and reengage like nothing ever happened. When you tell her again what you will be doing, expect a test and make a joke about it A&A and give her some comfort “Hey we got off on a bad foot last time, and I’ve been busy, so come meet me at XYZ and you can pick out my drink for me… ” sometimes just a glimmer of beta comfort is enough so she can beat back her hamster…

    And lighten up Reco. It’s all a game.


    • YaReally
      on November 18, 2014 at 7:49 pm
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      @reco
      Calibration is what makes this an art. You have to constantly calibrate. Like I might be able to tell a girl responds well to dominance, so I show more of my dominant side, but then it crosses some line in her head and her life experiences where it shuts her down. So I read that and can tell it’s a legit emotion, so I back off on the dominance a bit to make her comfortable again and then slide back into dominance but with her more comfortable now, while being aware of that line I crossed before. Then maybe she calls me too dominant and says she hates me but I can read that she doesn’t mean it and this time is just a shit-test and she’s actually just frustrated with herself for being attracted to me so I calibrate to that and keep my dominance or step it up and she loves it.

      Calibrating moment to moment is key. Women change on a dime based on their emotions in the moment so what was amazing to her a few minutes ago is repulsive to her once her emotions have changed. Being able to read that and adjust is important.

      The biggest thing is learning to read when she’s genuinely upset or turned off where you back up and change plans, and when she’s just shit-testing where you keep going full-tilt.

      This comes from just field experience and reading women and learning to notice the little things like her making out with you on the first meet but being ice cold on the day2 means you can’t just resume where you left off from the first meet you have to calibrate and bring her back into the receptive state she was in that night. Or you may meet up for the day2 and she’s super receptive and you can just pick up where you left off and quickly get the lay.

      It’s not that the rules of attraction are inconsistent. It’s that women themselves are inconsistent so you have to learn which rules apply in each moment and adapt to the fluid changes. And how you execute those rules could change your value up or down to where other rules now come into play and you have to calibrate to her new view of you…like your value shot too high so she starts seeing you as unattainable and you have to lower your value with some humility. But then she gets complimented by someone and feels cocky and sees herself as higher value than you so you calibrate to that and tease her to bring your values back in check. If you had teased her when she felt you were too high value you would have lost her. This is calibration.

      Buoyancy is a constant rule, but the design of the ship and how it’s manned may change depending on the state of the ocean it’s sailing in. In poker a pair of aces is a good hand but you calibrate to the game and your opponents and may have to fold them.

      Playing the numbers game where it’s one approach fits all and if the girl doesn’t play along move on is easier to teach and can get results, but the original Mystery Method was a massive art form of calibration. Highly recommend it if you have the free time to consume it lol I can hook you up with some YouTube links for it if you like. The actual book is great, should be able to find it easily posted in PDF form in google. The original MM is way deeper than anything people teach these days and places a huge emphasis in calibration and fluidly adjusting your game.


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 7:17 am
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      “@Truman It started out well, but she’s bored because it’s not going anywhere.

      You want to use text game to do one of 3 things: 1) set up a meeting 2) sexualize the interaction 3) build comfort”

      This.

      walawala is dead on. You went “sideways” as I call it instead of going forward…just fluffing and filling time, not progressing anything toward a meetup/lay/sexual interaction. She can read a website about tourism if she wants to know about that shit lol

      Some ways to turn things sexual (in your case you’re super asexual to her so you would have to use very light indirect type sexual stuff instead of hard direct sexual stuff (like “you stayed in to flirt on Tinder all night” vs “you stayed in to flick your bean to animal porn” lol):

      1) misinterpret that she’s flirting with you or into you (“I would really like to go someday :)” “woah, inviting yourself on my next trip already? you move fast. Stage 5 clinger alert.” (gay but I’m in a rush right now lol))

      2) roleplay (“my weekend was chill” “that’s no good, let’s run off to Vegas and do XXX (skinny dipping in fountains or getting drunk and married at a chapel or she can fold your dollar bills for you to stuff in the g-strings at the rippers, something very lightly sexually themed, like clearly a joke, since your tone is super asexual at this point so you gotta’ warm up to it slow or it’ll come off too incongruent to her)

      3) cold read (“you know what they say about girls who stay inside all the time…” (insert some kind of lightly sexual cold read here) Or “I bet a lot of people think you’re boring when you say you stayed in all weekend, but *I* know that what you were REALLY doing was–” (again something lightly sexual, like flirting with Tinder boys or something))

      “Don’t you ever scare girls off by sexualising the interaction too soon?”

      Better than boring her off by being asexual. ;)

      “That’s what I’m worried about with this one because of her being shy.”

      Like walawala says: calibrate. If you go too far, read that and pull back, blow it off as no big deal if it wasn’t too far over the line, or full out apologize if it crossed way too far. You may blow it entirely and creep her out, but that’s why we don’t shit where we eat when we’re learning to calibrate lol


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 8:43 am
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      @Reco
      “Also what do you suggest I do moving forward. Wait about a week and ping her?””

      http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?5492-How-To-Soft-Next-Step-by-step-instructions-and-answers-to-questions

      She’s 38 and you’re a cool attractive dude, she loses on more than you do if you stop contacting her and she knows it deep down because most guys are lame, but she also knows that most guys will crack especially older guys. The phone call is like when a cat won’t play with the string so you dangle it in front of it to try to entice it to chase.

      “And how would you calibrate to her negative attitude on me telling her where we go on dates?”

      I’m a dick so I would text her like normal and be flirty and charming but just not push to meet up at all and when she gets frustrated and says “when are we going to go on another date??”, say “I’d love to, but you don’t like when I tell you what to do.” and then ignore everything she texts for a few days so she can contemplate whether her new-found feminist values are worth losing my attention and her friends can call me a jerk while she just gets more attracted that I’m disciplining her, then a few days later tell her to meet me somewhere AND what to wear lol

      You don’t have to do that, but don’t stop what you’re doing. If she actually didn’t like it she wouldn’t say it makes her feel good and she wouldn’t be dialing you. She’s just frustrated that she likes the alpha daddy shit because it goes against being a strong independent woman. Her former boyfriends/husband were probably huge pussies so she’s not used to giving up control and hates that she likes it because she has X number of years of that not being how relationships are.

      “Just ask her next time? Lol”

      God no. Fuck what she says she wants. Don’t get into logical debates with her, just lol and shrug and if she harps on and on about it walk away. Drop a “I’m not sure we’ll get along. I love the chemistry we have together, but you don’t like men who lead you, and that’s the type of man I am. I think you would be happier with someone else. But thank-you for a lovely evening.” and then walk away and don’t look back (or attempt to settle up the tab or call her a cab etc.).

      Or stare her down with a slight half-grin doing laser-eyes on her while she yaps about how she hates it, and slowly cut the space to get up in her fac, then when she’s flustered just wordlessly go for the kiss.

      She likes what you’re doing, that’s why she’s still around you and smiling through her frowns and shit. She doesn’t WANT you to cave and supplicate.

      This is one of those things I was talking about where some “I don’t like that” statements rae legit and some are a shit-test. This “I don’t like being bossed around” is just a shit-test, because she’s still giving you ioi’s through it (smiling, meeting up with you, calling you after 2 weeks of silence, etc.). You haven’t ACTUALLY offended her. But her cold shoulder when you met up with her wasn’t a shit-test, she needed to be warmed up there and brought back into a receptive mood.

      The difference is subtle but important, and again it comes from just field experience, fucking up a bunch by going too far and by not going far enough and then learning to guage that middle ground and adapting it with each girl in each moment of the interaction. This is why I tell guys they can’t learn this shit through just reading online from their computer chair, you have to go out and build the reference experiences (good and bad, succeeding and fucking up) in your brain to be able to do this all on the fly.

      For me, I don’t even think about 90% of this stuff when I’m actually in the interaction. It’s all just feeling the vibe and flowing for me…but that’s because I already went through the stage you’re going through and I’m on the other side of it where my brain is just making a million little calculations at once subconsciously while you’re having to calculate those things one by one consciously right now. It’ll get easier over time, I promise, just like you probably don’t think much when you’re driving a car now VS when you were a teenager.


  • having a bad day
    on November 19, 2014 at 11:22 am
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    “Hey Yareally,HABD, Walawala, here is an interesting one. Not only is this a potential fail to learn from but also the greatest illustration I have seen to date of the woman’s conflict between the forebrain and hindbrain. So I meet this chick online 38 Columbian native lived in the US for quite a while. English is still not strong. She is hot close to an 8 at 38YO rocking body. We have a nice chat about 6 weeks ago she is ready to meet right away. But I am going out of town for a week. So we stay in touch with light chatting and flirting online and phone while I am away planning to meet when I get back. On the day of my return she sends me a nice text saying she met someone else [shit test…] and how much she liked our conversations, blah blah. No big deal. Water off a ducks back. I know this shit does not always work out so I will contact her in a month. [better to spot and handle the shit test right away…lol] Month rolls around I contact her with a high energy Christian McQueen style text with curse words. She responded but did say she did not like it,[shit test…] and wasn’t so sure about meeting up. [shit test…and setting up more shit testing…]Then I was reading about how to game latina’s is a lot more physical and a lot milder verbal. So I changed my tactic midstream. [good calibration] And realized that I needed to kind of mellow out a little which I did. [good calibration] More beta flirty texts [why?…beta is almost always bad…] , and after a few days of this told her to meet me for drinks and she agreed and mentioned my telling her what to do. [shit test…] I did not apologize just proceded as normal. [good…]

    We meet up. And she is a bit cold. [shit test…] Colder than our initial interactions a month ago. But I usually do pretty well on dates with conversation and flirting. We start having fun and having drinks. She warms up considerably. She asks me a lot of questions. I answer and evade and tease. She tells me how confident I am. She is divorced and her husband cheated on her three times,[did this clue you in on the type of guy she is aroused by?…lol…or did you think that she wanted someone different?…] (ha he probably cheated on her dozens of times). Date goes really well push to go to her place up the street but she refuses. [you should have ended the date right there…] Small makeout not easy to do in front of the car valet and all the people waiting to get their car. [so, why did you push for this?…did you intentionally signal your DLV/lack of options/intent to get shit tested harder next date…?…lol…] Lol By this time she is all amped up.

    She is sending me cute little flirty texts all the way home. [less investment for her…and standard rolodex page for beta provider/orbiter guys…they eat that up…lol…bc it gives them ‘hope’…] Next morning same thing. [repeat comment…lol] We had agreed to go out the next night because that would fit both of our schedules well. I know I should have waited [why?…did you get the feeling the date didn’t go well for you getting sex? see YaReally’s comments on ‘waiting’…] she seemed like she was on a strong escalation path to fuck town. [really? or was this beta ‘hope’ getting in the way of an accurate read of the situ?…] So next morning nice flirty text she is receptive still. [why wouldn’t she be? did you expect her to bail on you?…if so, why?] Then later I send her text telling her where to meet. She makes a big deal out of me telling her what to do and complains. [shit test…and bigger than last time, right?…] Then she wants to talk on the phone [shit test/hoop to jump thru…did you ignore her demand? or call her…] when we do she mentions it again. [shit test again…she really wants you to pass this particular test…lol…] I act like it is no big deal. [you probably passed the shit test at this point…] Knowing she is from Columbia It should not be an issue traditional society and all. [it’s not…except as a test. it could be this is her personal issue test…if you pass this, she’ll do anything you want, but if you don’t, she won’t sex you up at all…] In addition my making plans are affirmative and fun. I am not being mean or bossy or nasty. But the conversation is ok she is laughing and she agrees to meet.

    I get to her apartment and we walk to the bar for a drink. [why did you leave there without sex first?…serious question…she agreed to isolation with you…did you recognize this…and convert?…] Now she is really cold. [wonder why?…lol…also, shit test…] Very little conversation body language is bad. Its like something happened. [no sex for her…lol…] Some kind of outside force other than the two of us. [no…just you…lol] She is cordial but cold. We actually get into a discussion at the bar about me telling her instead of me asking. [bc you had passed this test, but didn’t sex her up when you had the chance, and now she can’t believe that you really did pass this test…so she has to bring it up again…] I just shrugged and smiled and said that’s who I am. Then she tells me right out, “I don’t like it”, then the next words out of her mouth were “it makes me feel good”!!! Yes that’s exactly how this dingbat said it. [she’s NOT a dingbat, just a girl…lol…and she was giving you an opportunity to convert this to a ‘make her feel good all the time’ issue…lol] I pointed this out to her [= trying to win logical argument about a shit test = beta fail…] and she got a worried look on her face and then said yes “it felt like when I was a little girl and my father would tell me what to do” she then smiled and then frowned and went back to digging her heels in. [see below for analysis] I knew I was not going to win an argument and get the pussy. [bc you didnt realize what was in play, and how to redirect it…or for some other reason…?] I just said. “Don’t you want to be happy?” She said yes, but would not relent. [logic = beta fail…] Discussion ended without it being really a fight. But I could tell this was not going anywhere. I held my frame. [sounds like she held her frame bc you couldn’t get her to move to a new one…yours…]

    I continue to game her. DHV, smiling body language, a few takeways, lots of touching which she never resisted. But her body language was bad. [that’s called ‘resisting’…lol…] Walked her home kissed her. Bad kiss. And I figured this is a lost cause. My take is that her idiot American friends got to her and pushed her with their you go girl attitude. [nah…were they on the date with you two?…lol] They are all white entitled cunts with fucked up lives all in their 20’s. [that’s a good demographic…are they cute? can you game them, too?…lol] So I am thinking I am not going to change that shit. I Did not call her again. It has been exactly two weeks to the day no contact, and today I get call and a hangup from her. No message just the hangup. [that’s a ‘chase me’ rolodex tech…lol…so, she wants you to keep playing, but can’t really tell you straight out…lol…that’s why girls do that ‘pocket dial’ shit…and why YOU should never do that…lol…did you buy her dinner?…how deep are you into the beta provider box already, and can you dig your way out?…]

    I know there was attraction there. [duh…she invited you to an isolated location…alone…by yourself…with her…lol] I know she is thinking about me. Question is what do I do about this? I don’t think I have the patience to deal with her bullshit and her friends feeding her bullshit. [how about an opportunity to work on YOU…and your game…lol…] But I sure would like to knock the bottom out of this one. Lol What do you guys think? Is this worth pursuing? [ya…] Would it take too much to pull her into my frame? She has the whole Columbian upbringing which is so good. I love Columbian women they are so sexy and fun and flirty and easy going. I have dated them before and they are awesome. But she has only her American friends in this country and they are her primary influence I am sure.”

    nah…it’s not her friends…that’s what it looks like when you don’t avoid her beta provider algorithm and ping her alpha stud algorithm at the same time…that’s called incongruence…lol…and it results in shit testing…lol…it started with her rolodex play on the ‘meeting somebody else’ text and went up from there…

    and you went along with her when she’s trying to put you into her ‘default’ box of beta provider (especially given her age…lol…but that is every girl’s default bc alphas avoid the beta box…it’s a filter…) but at the same time you keep throwing out alpha stud cues (taking things sexual and fun), so she needs to shit test you more and more, to try to figure out where you fit…that’s how you spin up that guard dog situ…lol…remember princess prude?…

    at some point, she is so confused that she just shuts down…it’s called sensory overload…and hamsters get it too…lol…

    refresher = spot and pass shit test = pull her into you frame…miss/don’t pass shit test = her frame…
    you deal with her calling out your ‘telling her’ by agree and amplify…same as any shit test…spot the shit test, pass the shit test…lol

    you – meet me here… (alpha frame)
    her – you told me what to do…i don’t like that…(shit test for alpha stud or beta provider, right? can you maintain congruence as alpha, so she’ll feel comfortable sucking your cock in the bathroom?…lol)
    you – [eye contact] well, i gotta be me…hmmm, sit in your chair…[smirk]…wear [whatever she’s wearing]…[smirk]…(then take it sexual…) look sexy…[smirk]…have a kissable mouth…[smirk]…[look her up and down] have great tits/ass/legs…[smirk]…etc.

    if she objects at all…say ‘no, really, you have a kissable mouth [go in for the kiss]…’

    you get the idea…if she objects again, rinse and repeat…just don’t answer with a direct response to her question/testing…keep it fun…lol…every time she brings it up, get more sexual…lol…and make sure she knows that’s what you are doing so she can control how raunchy you get…lol…

    BUT…do NOT argue with her about it = her frame…

    also, that ‘coldness’ is a default shit test. (plus she was pissed that you didn’t sex her up…lol…and that it wouldn’t be her ‘fault’…it just happened…lol…) it’s wired into girls bc they can’t just stay in the ‘i’m horny for you’ state all the time or they’d just get knocked up by a bunch of betas…lol…so, that filter is always turned on. it just gets stronger if you’ve pinged her alpha stud algorithm in the past without getting sex…lol…

    and the more you ping it without sex (converting on your opportunity…lol), the stronger it will be the next time…guard dog situ…lol…that’s why it’s so important to be able to push through to sex when you start to ping that. next time it gets harder…and why it’s relatively easy to get to sex when you can ping it properly in the first place…girls (their hindbrains) want to find those alpha stud genetics…lol…they’re relatively rare in the real world…and if you can’t get to sex right away (by passing her shit testing AND converting on your opportunity…), maybe you really are a beta who just got lucky a couple of times…and really only wants to hold hands…lol. girls really aren’t that good at figuring this stuff out…regardless of how much they seem to think/feel they are…that’s wired in too…

    so, congratulations! you’re getting better!…lol…now, you just have to figure out how to reverse getting slotted into beta provider/orbiter box. plus, i’ll point out that you have ASD to deal with now…lol. As YaReally and the other guys pointed out, it’s just calibration…but that comes after spotting/passing basic shit testing…

    ping her in a week or two, and treat it like a flake…don’t mention it again…and convert on this isolation opportunities…

    good luck!


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 6:31 pm
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      Agree with what habd is saying esp about trying to force you into beta bux. It’s not even that you’re necessarily givin off beta bux behavior, it’s more that she’s 38 and knows she’s hitting the wall and needs to lock a guy down ASAP.

      Her frustration with you leading is probably coming from “when he does that, it makes me want to fuck him, but I’m trying to be good and NOT fuck him because I need an LTR guy, so I need him to stop doing that because it’s frustrating me”. Kind of like if you were determined not to fuck a chick and then she shows up in her sexied outfit and rubs her tits in your face and you know you’re going to crack and are annoyed with her for hitting your weakness. Or if you’re on a diet and someone dangles a cookie in front of you. You want that cookie soooo but know you shouldn’t.

      Keep doing what you’re doing. Keep leading. Walk away if she hassles you too much. She needs you more than you need her, understand how high your value is. She’s surrounded by lame guys that DONT make her feel those frustrated sexual feelings.


    • YaReally
      on November 19, 2014 at 6:46 pm
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      “@HABD by the way here is the text exchange when I went to pick her up at her apartment on the 2nd date. This is minutes before she was coming down. I was trying to get inside. Just like Roosh said.”

      Try seeding an excuse to come up or bring her up to your place. When you just say “I’ll come up and get you” that’s a high ASD think. When you say “Show me that thing we talked about” it’s like oh okay, he’s just coming up to see that thing and then it “just happens”. Or “come up and you can see that thing I told you about. You can only stay for a few minutes (or one drink) though, I have to work in the morning so I can’t be up all night.” Like that kind of thing is a huge ASD disarm VS “you should come up…….” after a makeout.

      It probably won’t work on her either way cause she’s 38 and trying so hard to not fuck you too soon so she knows to avoid being isolated near a bed with you lol but just in general for the future there’s something to keep in mind with the final pull to a bedroom location.

      You could probably get her with full out dishonesty, promising her the moon and shit. But it’s more satisfying to get the lay on your own terms VS stringing her along. Less guilty conscience too lol

      If she DOES sleep with you she is gonna try hard to lock you down to rationalize it. Like if she cracks and bangs you her brain will go “ok if I make him be my bf then that wasn’t slutty that was okay” and she may go into overdrive batshit crazy mode trying to lock you down lol. So be careful. Don’t let her know anything about you that can be traced to eff up your normal life.

      I’d say you can pull this off still, the attraction is there, but I can’t guarantee it’ll be worth the effort or that there won’t be drama to deal with if you manage to lol



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“you’ll have a harder time finding many 8s or 9s interested in no-strings-attached sex. Contrary popular mythology, most funfunfun girls who’ll agree to what amounts to slutting it up are the wastoids, the desperate, and, if your game is good, the borderline cuties in the 5-7 range.”

what is this I don’t even

“This isn’t to say that you can’t find a boner fried hottie who tingles for the flingle. They’re around; they’re just better at concealing, even to themselves, any latent desire for a sexual romp. If you want to be both honest and noncommittal with a beauty, you’ll have a road ahead of you.”

Shit’s changed. 10+ years ago this was probably accurate.

But with social media being so widespread, where every fucking chode guy can on a whim send every clingy needy drunk desperate pathetic thought on his mind to girls and a dozen Likes and supplicative comments, a lot of girls (especially the hot ones since they get it the most) biggest complaint about men is how fucking needy and clingy guys are these days.

There are a LOT more hotties looking for no-strings sex right now. Not because they ultimately want no-strings for the long-term, they’ll want to BF you up eventually and try to woo you into it, but they want to START at no-strings so you don’t join their huge herd of needy clingy orbiters.

Like a guy who just wants to fuck them and ISN’T going to be 3 months of clingy needy drama is a RELIEF to girls. Sure they may want a BF eventually (whether they try to make you that BF or go find some nice beta bucks guy to try dating for a bit (till she realizes how bored she is when he’s a boring lay)), but they’re SO tired of every dick coming with a ton of strings attached to where they hook up once and then have to dodge the guy’s daily texts for months until he gets the hint and even then he’ll keep trying.

A guy who’s too on his purpose to be a boyfriend instead of being just a big sad pathetic wreck searching for a girl to fill the open void in his heart to give his life meaning, is rare as fuck these days to girls. They LOVE meeting a guy like that. He’s actually a CHALLENGE and they’ll happily be down for no-strings sex with him because the other guy repulses them and causes way too much drama in their lives.

Girls I’m with always show me texts they get from guys and they’re just the saddest most desperate lamest shit in the world and we lol at them together. And this is from guys who are rich and way better looking than me (I dig for info to find out about my competition lol). But they get a few beers in them, no girl wants to fuck them at the bar that night and here it is 2:30am and they’re texting desperate shit and confessing feelings and crap.

At least before social media a guy had to embarrass himself in person or over an actual phonecall that takes some thought and lots of chances to back out before executing it…but these days it’s boom, 140 chars of desperation 10 seconds after it enters the guy’s head.

For proof: go out and mack the 18-25yo range hotties and ask them about guys and if guys are clingy these days lol You’ll hear and see shit that will make you just embarrassed for our entire gender.

Having the self-control NOT to text a girl drunk at midnight on a Friday night and to NOT Like her attention-whoring Facebook pics etc. makes you stand out like crazy these days…esp to the really hot girls who get endless amounts of that shit.

Hell, girls these days practically finish my sentences for me when I go into my shpiel about keeping things casual. I blame/thank feminism lol

Go approach the hottest girls with a casual sex frame. They’ll be a lot more receptive these days than they probably were 10+ years ago.



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“you’ll have a harder time finding many 8s or 9s interested in no-strings-attached sex. Contrary popular mythology, most funfunfun girls who’ll agree to what amounts to slutting it up are the wastoids, the desperate, and, if your game is good, the borderline cuties in the 5-7 range.”

what is this I don’t even

“This isn’t to say that you can’t find a boner fried hottie who tingles for the flingle. They’re around; they’re just better at concealing, even to themselves, any latent desire for a sexual romp. If you want to be both honest and noncommittal with a beauty, you’ll have a road ahead of you.”

Shit’s changed. 10+ years ago this was probably accurate.

But with social media being so widespread, where every fucking chode guy can on a whim send every clingy needy drunk desperate pathetic thought on his mind to girls and a dozen Likes and supplicative comments, a lot of girls (especially the hot ones since they get it the most) biggest complaint about men is how fucking needy and clingy guys are these days.

There are a LOT more hotties looking for no-strings sex right now. Not because they ultimately want no-strings for the long-term, they’ll want to BF you up eventually and try to woo you into it, but they want to START at no-strings so you don’t join their huge herd of needy clingy orbiters.

Like a guy who just wants to fuck them and ISN’T going to be 3 months of clingy needy drama is a RELIEF to girls. Sure they may want a BF eventually (whether they try to make you that BF or go find some nice beta bucks guy to try dating for a bit (till she realizes how bored she is when he’s a boring lay)), but they’re SO tired of every dick coming with a ton of strings attached to where they hook up once and then have to dodge the guy’s daily texts for months until he gets the hint and even then he’ll keep trying.

A guy who’s too on his purpose to be a boyfriend instead of being just a big sad pathetic wreck searching for a girl to fill the open void in his heart to give his life meaning, is rare as fuck these days to girls. They LOVE meeting a guy like that. He’s actually a CHALLENGE and they’ll happily be down for no-strings sex with him because the other guy repulses them and causes way too much drama in their lives.

Girls I’m with always show me texts they get from guys and they’re just the saddest most desperate lamest shit in the world and we lol at them together. And this is from guys who are rich and way better looking than me (I dig for info to find out about my competition lol). But they get a few beers in them, no girl wants to fuck them at the bar that night and here it is 2:30am and they’re texting desperate shit and confessing feelings and crap.

At least before social media a guy had to embarrass himself in person or over an actual phonecall that takes some thought and lots of chances to back out before executing it…but these days it’s boom, 140 chars of desperation 10 seconds after it enters the guy’s head.

For proof: go out and mack the 18-25yo range hotties and ask them about guys and if guys are clingy these days lol You’ll hear and see shit that will make you just embarrassed for our entire gender.

Having the self-control NOT to text a girl drunk at midnight on a Friday night and to NOT Like her attention-whoring Facebook pics etc. makes you stand out like crazy these days…esp to the really hot girls who get endless amounts of that shit.

Hell, girls these days practically finish my sentences for me when I go into my shpiel about keeping things casual. I blame/thank feminism lol

Go approach the hottest girls with a casual sex frame. They’ll be a lot more receptive these days than they probably were 10+ years ago.



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I’m new in town (Seoul) and working CL heavily. I’m clear that I’m a short-timer (one or two years). I’m getting more tang from women 25 to 30 years younger than me than I can schedule. It helps that I’m taller than Korean men and a confident American, well-dressed, with disposable income. They seem to appreciate more mature men too.

I do indeed want to make a boyfriend/girlfriend situation and I make that clear! Why? That way we can dispense with the condoms and increase her reliability. Plus she’ll be better trained to please me in bed and out.

I say I’m not interested in “one night stands” but that every love affair/romance starts with a “first night stand.” I’m also clear that I’m seeing a variety of other women. Consequently, I get plenty of ONS then let them down gently when they don’t meet my standards (ie I think I can do better.)

Naturally, I’ll reach the point where SMV demand crosses SMV supply. Then I’ll expect her to be my girlfriend and she can expect me to be her boyfriend. Then I’ll move without her – boo hoo.


  • YaReally
    on November 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm
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    “I do indeed want to make a boyfriend/girlfriend situation and I make that clear! Why? That way we can dispense with the condoms and increase her reliability.”

    “I’m clear that I’m a short-timer (one or two years).”

    lol. You won’t be a short-timer when she “forgets” her birth control. If you’re a high-value guy and you’re pitching a BF/GF situ, she’s going to be trying to lock you down any way possible. The higher value you are, the more paranoid you should be about using condoms and shit.

    Hope you like changing diapers lol



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Broadsman
on November 17, 2014 at 5:01 pm
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I’m new in town (Seoul) and working CL heavily. I’m clear that I’m a short-timer (one or two years). I’m getting more tang from women 25 to 30 years younger than me than I can schedule. It helps that I’m taller than Korean men and a confident American, well-dressed, with disposable income. They seem to appreciate more mature men too.

I do indeed want to make a boyfriend/girlfriend situation and I make that clear! Why? That way we can dispense with the condoms and increase her reliability. Plus she’ll be better trained to please me in bed and out.

I say I’m not interested in “one night stands” but that every love affair/romance starts with a “first night stand.” I’m also clear that I’m seeing a variety of other women. Consequently, I get plenty of ONS then let them down gently when they don’t meet my standards (ie I think I can do better.)

Naturally, I’ll reach the point where SMV demand crosses SMV supply. Then I’ll expect her to be my girlfriend and she can expect me to be her boyfriend. Then I’ll move without her – boo hoo.


  • YaReally
    on November 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm
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    “I do indeed want to make a boyfriend/girlfriend situation and I make that clear! Why? That way we can dispense with the condoms and increase her reliability.”

    “I’m clear that I’m a short-timer (one or two years).”

    lol. You won’t be a short-timer when she “forgets” her birth control. If you’re a high-value guy and you’re pitching a BF/GF situ, she’s going to be trying to lock you down any way possible. The higher value you are, the more paranoid you should be about using condoms and shit.

    Hope you like changing diapers lol



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what no more RSD videos.. now that they have proven themselves to be ..hmm whats that word they use..”uncalibrated”.. or as us men like to call them immature dorks with a twisted unhealthy pov.. if there was any balls behind this website .. they post about it .. call them out.. dudes are lame.. funny to watch them self destruct..

mystery was an artist


  • YaReally
    on November 17, 2014 at 9:22 pm
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    They’ll be back to business as usual in a few weeks.

    Here’s the full CNN transcript, note that when they edited the video they left out everything about teaching calibration and watching for consent and backing off etc., which he stresses like 8 different times. Doesn’t fit the narrative. This is why anyone thinking them releasing statements etc. would help is naive, the media will pick and choose what fits the narrative:

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1411/17/nday.04.html

    The only people self-destructing are the ones who ran around like chickens with their heads cut off over this. Unbelievable how unstable guys are, it’s been like watching a bunch of emotional women gossiping in a Jezebel comment section lol

    Wrote a larger new post about Julien’s appearance and why RSD will be just fine here:

    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/thought-experiment-the-alpha-male/#comment-631978

    I think a lot of the guys freaking out either haven’t run a large pickup company (ie – more than selling a few eBooks) or don’t really understand what RSD teaches or how exactly they market their products or how their business model works. If they were a traditional company like McDonald’s or Apple, ya, they would be toast. But all they need to do is get the public eye off them and it’s back to doing what they do. Even if they put out a new offensive video, the entire world will never combine like this to raise a fuss to anywhere near this extent. Everyone has already blown their outrage activism load signing all the petitions. Julien’s not deleted off Twitter forever (he’s not even deleted, he just set his account to private), his content isn’t deleted off YouTube, even if it was it would just be hosted elsewhere. They just need to put out some lower-key safer content for a month or two till no one’s really paying attention and it’s back to normal minus purposely goading the media lol

    The people who are like “omg they insulted their customers by calling them socially awkward!!” don’t seem to realize that those guys KNOW they’re socially awkward, that’s why they googled RSD in the first place, they’re working on being less awkward lol It’s like how 4/8chan admits being a bunch of austistic nerds and celebrate it and don’t care what society thinks, they aren’t trying to win the mainstream’s approval like the Manosphere keeps crying over (“please, just LOVE us mainstream media!!” lol PUAs don’t give a shit about mainstream approval that’s your guys’ department, like the mainstream will ever approve of half the articles on ROK or any of the racist shit in the Manosphere. We just do our thing and help guys improve their lives, doesn’t matter if CNN hates us).

    Tyler has a bunch of videos about hardcase newbies and people who are fucked up awkward and weird, no one is offended by that anymore than saying “fat people come to our gym ’cause we get results” is going to offend their customers who self-identify as fatties coming to their gym saying “I’m a fatty, help me!”

    No one will give a shit about any of this a few weeks from now lol But Bill Cosby’s rape allegations and Mama June’s dating her own childs’ molestor will keep being written about because they keep engaging the MSM.

    Gotta’ relax and chill instead of losing your shit in a crisis, just like in-field when a group of women is chirping at you because you said something that offended them.



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on November 17, 2014 at 6:52 pm
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what no more RSD videos.. now that they have proven themselves to be ..hmm whats that word they use..”uncalibrated”.. or as us men like to call them immature dorks with a twisted unhealthy pov.. if there was any balls behind this website .. they post about it .. call them out.. dudes are lame.. funny to watch them self destruct..

mystery was an artist


  • YaReally
    on November 17, 2014 at 9:22 pm
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    They’ll be back to business as usual in a few weeks.

    Here’s the full CNN transcript, note that when they edited the video they left out everything about teaching calibration and watching for consent and backing off etc., which he stresses like 8 different times. Doesn’t fit the narrative. This is why anyone thinking them releasing statements etc. would help is naive, the media will pick and choose what fits the narrative:

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1411/17/nday.04.html

    The only people self-destructing are the ones who ran around like chickens with their heads cut off over this. Unbelievable how unstable guys are, it’s been like watching a bunch of emotional women gossiping in a Jezebel comment section lol

    Wrote a larger new post about Julien’s appearance and why RSD will be just fine here:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/thought-experiment-the-alpha-male/#comment-631978

    I think a lot of the guys freaking out either haven’t run a large pickup company (ie – more than selling a few eBooks) or don’t really understand what RSD teaches or how exactly they market their products or how their business model works. If they were a traditional company like McDonald’s or Apple, ya, they would be toast. But all they need to do is get the public eye off them and it’s back to doing what they do. Even if they put out a new offensive video, the entire world will never combine like this to raise a fuss to anywhere near this extent. Everyone has already blown their outrage activism load signing all the petitions. Julien’s not deleted off Twitter forever (he’s not even deleted, he just set his account to private), his content isn’t deleted off YouTube, even if it was it would just be hosted elsewhere. They just need to put out some lower-key safer content for a month or two till no one’s really paying attention and it’s back to normal minus purposely goading the media lol

    The people who are like “omg they insulted their customers by calling them socially awkward!!” don’t seem to realize that those guys KNOW they’re socially awkward, that’s why they googled RSD in the first place, they’re working on being less awkward lol It’s like how 4/8chan admits being a bunch of austistic nerds and celebrate it and don’t care what society thinks, they aren’t trying to win the mainstream’s approval like the Manosphere keeps crying over (“please, just LOVE us mainstream media!!” lol PUAs don’t give a shit about mainstream approval that’s your guys’ department, like the mainstream will ever approve of half the articles on ROK or any of the racist shit in the Manosphere. We just do our thing and help guys improve their lives, doesn’t matter if CNN hates us).

    Tyler has a bunch of videos about hardcase newbies and people who are fucked up awkward and weird, no one is offended by that anymore than saying “fat people come to our gym ’cause we get results” is going to offend their customers who self-identify as fatties coming to their gym saying “I’m a fatty, help me!”

    No one will give a shit about any of this a few weeks from now lol But Bill Cosby’s rape allegations and Mama June’s dating her own childs’ molestor will keep being written about because they keep engaging the MSM.

    Gotta’ relax and chill instead of losing your shit in a crisis, just like in-field when a group of women is chirping at you because you said something that offended them.



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YaReally
on November 17, 2014 at 2:05 pm
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RSD’s statement lol:

Nothing has convinced me more that RVF is full of LARP’ers than reading the fantasies they’ve written about how they would dismantle a CNN host on his own show, defend everything by pointing out logical “if those girls were offended they can press charges” arguments thinking they won’t be immediately destroyed with SJW stats and feels stories about unreported rapes, cut the host off and dominate the conversation, with unflinching unapologetic body language after being holed up for a couple weeks with more combined hate from the entire world than anyone has ever had on the Internet before, and walk out of there with SJWs respecting him (lol) going “ya, you know, he seemed really alpha, let’s lay off, we sure have been schooled”.

Like I thought the fantasies they wrote about how a magical statement at the start when everyone was in full rage mode would have squashed this all out instantly followed by directly character assassinating the SJWs (ya that’s worked great for getting rid of Anita Sarkeesian, that won’t instantly get you labelled as a harassing/attacking women lol) and thrown literally hundreds of thousands of SJWs off their game like they wouldn’t quote-mine to fuel their rage any further and there was some way for RSD (with thousands of hours of free content to quote-mine offensive clips and quotes from) could have escaped completely blemish-free, were funny, but this shit tops it.

I like MikeC, but he’s blown a lot of time and money attacking the SJWs directly and the media is STILL regularly painting GG as misogynist woman haters 2 months later and he has the free services of a lawyer (himself) and his law buddies that can focus their attention on it. RSD knows it’s never going to be mainstream approved or accepted, that’s a fucking fantasy wish lol they just want the attention to drift away so they can go back to business as usual teaching nerds how to say “You’re adorable, I had to come say hi” to girls and get laid.

Julien looks like a scared nervous kid because he IS lol He’s like 24 I think, and just had the world shit on him relentlessly. It also benefits him…if he had come out cocky like Paul Janka they would work even harder to try to take him down and make him crack and that’s just more and more weeks of bad publicity. Now he’s just a scared little boy and the Twitterverse has turned to snark about how un-alpha he is and how no one will take his classes because he’s been revealed to be a pussy etc. Once the SJWs have turned to snark instead of rage, you’re in the safe zone. A week or two of snark and victory-pats on eachother’s back and no one will be talking about Julien or RSD.

Julien apologized (even if it’s clearly a bullshit apology, throw some snark about it in a comment section and you’ve done your part, now what’s happening with Kim Kardashian’s butt this week??) and said everything they want to hear about reconsidering what he teaches and all that shit. It wasn’t great, obviously he could’ve been better prepared, but it wasn’t horrible at all.

He mentioned that the girls in the vid were girls he was hanging with in Japan, which when you watch the actual footage would make sense. Pretty ballsy to grab a girl behind a counter and whisper in her ear and try to kiss her and wow she froze up terrified right? …unless, you know, you’ve been hanging with her for a couple days and dropped into her work to embarrass her the same way you might embarrass your girlfriend by flirting with her at work. Weird that he pulls the same girls’ head down to his crotch twice in the bar and no one says anything and she doesn’t leave in-between those times…unless, you know, he went to the bar WITH that girl and her group and they know him and she likes him.

But hey, why use any critical thinking, right? No one is even reading this far into this post anyway lol If it doesn’t fit into a Gawker headline then fuck it, too much work, someone tell me what to be outraged about next!

Julien isn’t even actually banned from anywhere but Australia. Read the statements by officials closely. They’re all “this man offends us, we don’t approve of his values, we’ll take a serious look into this and do everything in our power to stop him from entering our country”, they’re not “Julien’s VISA has been revoked and he is officially barred from entering our country.”

This is the same “declaring early victory for good feelz” thing they did with RSD taking down the tour dates. They didn’t take them down because they were cancelled lol, they took them down so SJWs would have a harder time finding their schedule and so they can reschedule or move some around. There’s no reason they can’t go to Chicago then New York instead of New York then Chicago, but the SJWs like the good feelz so they declare victory early just like the “Julien is banned from the entire world!!” stuff.

Brad hasn’t been teaching pickup for like a year, Alex was always doing his own thing and had to bail ’cause he’s an Aussie. Jeffy is just always mad at everything and just put out a new product that probably took a hit in this shit-storm. Tyler’s plans to go into self-help are probably fucked but he’s too awkward for a mainstream audience to take self-help advice from anyway (Tony Robbins is a likeable guy, Tyler is weird and still has awkward aspergers mannerisms) so that dream wasn’t going to pan out in the first place.

Julien will keep teaching. Is he going to go get a job at McDonald’s? No, lol. All this has done is bring him a shit-ton of publicity. If someone says “pickup coach” the first name on everyone’s tounge will be Julien instead of Mystery now and RSD has enough solid free content up that anyone looking into what they teach will find a few videos that make sense to them.

RSD’s money comes directly from students. They travel the world for the exposure, and the people going to their Free Tours are fans. Does anyone think they’re posting up advertisements in fucking Starbucks saying “Want to learn how to talk to girls? Come to Julien Blanc’s seminar this Thursday at 3pm!!” like it’s a school rally? lol The guys attending the Free Tour sign up through the website or are brought by a friend, so they’re already open to their ideas.

Does anyone really think there’s any shortage of nerdy asian/indian IT guys with money who want to learn how to talk to girls and get a girlfriend just in Silicon Valley ALONE? lol Their bootcamps are only 3 people. Julien could teach in Vegas every weekend and be just fine, let alone traveling around the USA, esp with this exposure (“Women love him, men hate him! Learn the secret techniques created by the most hated man in the world!”).

Their other big money maker is the HotSeat and the only people going to HotSeat are huge fans who know Julien’s humor is dark and extreme so they’re not listening to anything the media says about him.

The *FREE* Tours that were cancelled make RSD no actual direct money aside from convincing a few people to take a bootcamp but they only need to convince 3 people anyway, so they’re losing out on like 20 sales over a few months maybe, by not being able to send Julien to Australia. Like they can’t find 20 people in Vegas or Silicon Valley ALONE that want to learn how to talk to girls? lol

Is anyone going to protest Julien’s bootcamps? No. People are too apathetic to care for that long. All RSD has to do is not post up the locations of them in public. Literally Julien could just text the students an hour before the seminar “ok the location is here, GO!” and they hop in a cab and attend. No one is going to be combing the bar scene for them lol

Bars are going to ban Julien and Tyler? The guys they know by name because they’re there all the time, regularly bringing a bunch of dudes with money to their club every weekend? They’re going to ban them for talking to girls? In a bar? And possibly making the girls have a fun time? In a bar environment where they see WAY worse every single night? Do you even nightclub bro? lol

So many lols on so many levels. Did they handle everything right? No, esp attacking 8chan legally, that was silly (you don’t fuck with Hotwheels lol). But the end result isn’t going to be the end of RSD by any means.

Less feminists and SJWs and white knights will take their bootcamps, but none of them were going to anyway.

Critical thinking skills, people. Come on now. SJWs are the ones who are supposed to just blindly lash out at people they hate with no thought or research. You guys have done exactly what the SJWs did to the comet shirt guy.

No one is even going to debate anything I’ve written here, even if they read it. It’s just going to be “lol look at the RSD shill! We know you’re Tyler bro!!” lol It’s not going to be “you know, the business model you’ve described that basically can’t be attacked by outside influences actually has a flaw in this part of it, let me explain and run some numbers”. It’s going to be the same emotional feelz character attacks and snark the SJWs did to the comet shirt guy lol

This was basically the equivalent of crossing a line in-field into genuinely offending some girls and having a group of girls hen-pecking at you simultaneously, over something you said that was miscalibrated. You just quietly let them spaz out (because if you try to talk they’ll just squak over you) and then when they’ve calmed down for a second so you can actually get a word in you apologize and admit you crossed a line and smooth it over.

If it’s a shit-test (faux outrage), you don’t apologize. If it was actually miscalibrated then you just own it and smooth it over, no big deal.

This is why you guys go to Thailand to fuck the 6s with broken english at the local “white guy fetish” bar where 3 of you have all fucked the same girl before. Because you either cave to shit-tests and social pressure, or are so uncalibrated that you think the solution to every situation is “JUST CHARGE STRAIGHT AHEAD FISTS SWINGING BRO!!! ALPHA NEVER APOLOGIZES!!”

Judging by the sky is falling chicken-with-your-head-cut-off nonsense in that thread, a hot 9 in a North American nightclub would tear you guys APART lol

In conclusion:

http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=julien%20blanc&q2=roosh&q3=returnofkings&via=Topsy

U mad brahs? lol


  • walawala
    on November 18, 2014 at 12:04 am
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    @YaReally Interesting interview. Lots of chatter about this on the Red Pill forum. A lot of what he did was exaggerated behaviours the he knew would shock his targets and make him stand out. To the outside world—the feminist-imperative-driven world—it looks bad. But this is the kind of thing stand up comedians and even feminists do when they talk of cutting off men’s balls etc etc.

    What he should have done was to say “I apologize to those I’ve offended but I make no apologies for the mission I’ve made to help guys discover or recover their masculinity”.

    CNN anchor: So you think putting a woman’s head to your crotch is helping people?

    Julien: What I’m saying it you can interpret these things according to your frame of reference. There’s so much of what we do that is so open to misinterpretation. Take for instance the lack of uproar when feminists try to raise the point of sexual violence with talk of cutting off men’s balls etc. I mean it’s an exaggeration and so too was this. I’m sorry it offended.”

    This interview suddenly made me shudder and think…wait…I looked up to this guy and now he’s renouncing everything he ever talked about???

    That will fuck with guy’s heads even more.


    • YaReally
      on November 18, 2014 at 3:00 am
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      @walalwala

      Prob is this is how far you would get in your speech:

      Julien: “What I’m saying is you can interpret these things according to your frame of reference. There’s so–”

      CNN anchor (who’s clearly openly hostile toward Julien and admitted in the interview (read the transcript linked below) that he hasn’t bothered even looking at his stuff and is coming from the frame that Julien is a Rape Coach): “My frame of REFERENCE is this video of you telling men to choke women!! Why do you think that’s acceptable??”

      It’s like guys thinking they’re going to walk into Nazi HQ and convince them Jews are super cool. Or they’re going to walk into CH and convince the crowd that black people are super cool. Or a black guy convincing the lynch mob holding ropes and torches that he didn’t rape that little white girl lol It’s just not going to happen.

      These people don’t WANT to be convinced. They’re not open to it. What they want is a story, a villian, a victory, and a celebration, then off to the next battle.

      Would it have been a great strike for men in the face of SJW pressure, like a big moral victory? Sure. Would it earn Julien the respect of a bunch of people who until this week didn’t know or care he existed? Sure. Would he pass people’s “that’s a real man” test? Sure.

      But have logic and facts EVER stopped SJWs? Just look at GamerGate. With social media, facts aren’t as important as who can shout louder and longer. This isn’t some political debate in the 90s. Social media has changed the world.

      He’d make a moral victory and get a pat on the back from a few guys, but he’d also end up dragging an entire company of like 20 employees and a huge community of men who’ve been helped or are looking for help, thru the mud in the process fighting a battle against hundreds of thousands of people worldwide who don’t WANT to like him or be convinced by him.

      So he tells them everything they want to hear. He’s sorry, he knew the girls, shit was out of context, you can see in the transcript he stressed over and over how RSD teaches calibration and consent and backing off etc. (which is true, they have entire vids on it) and none of the consent stuff made it to the final CNN edit.

      The stuff about his students being awkward etc is to protect them. Right now people think these guys are all American Psychos in training, he’s trying to get people to lay off by explaining that these are just socially awkward nerds they’re not raving psychopaths wanting to hurt women. It’s not insulting them, it’s protecting them from the media.

      SJWs get to celebrate their victory (“we made the little manbaby cry male tears!!”) and then move onto the next white male they can harass for wearing an offensive shirt or for making too much money. Then RSD goes back to business as usual, helping teach men and putting out useful free content that helps guys change their life under the mainstream media’s nose.

      Like is this:

      “I looked up to this guy and now he’s renouncing everything he ever talked about???”

      SERIOUSLY a reaction you have when you read the CNN transcript:

      http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1411/17/nday.04.html

      Where he says, about what he teaches (with the implication that he’s teaching men how to abuse and assault women):

      Julien: “You know, I teach guys how to socialize, how to approach women, but I also teach them how to back off and when to leave. I have been doing this for five years, and I’ve easily pushed thousands of clients.

      There’s never been a single incident and there is a reason for that. It’s the bigger part of our seminars are focused on when to back off. How to read the signs of consent and this year, again stupid posts, I made stupid pictures I put up do not represent what I teach in anyway whatsoever.”

      Julien: “So we do teach when to back off like everyone is hammered in, unfortunately, it isn’t condensed into those pictures there.”

      Julien: “This is not what sells the seminar. The seminar sells with the results they produces and no one, there will not be thousands of guys signing up for some seminar that promote those things.”

      Julien: ” As I mentioned, I did not teach them what you are mentioning here. I teach them how to socialize. I teach them how to express themselves. I teach them when to back off when the girl is not interested. That’s what I teach.”

      Julien: “Which they never would without a sign of consent and that’s what I hammer on.”

      Julien: “That’s not what I teach. Don’t again confuse what I teach versus some stupid attempt at humor.”

      Julien: “I do want to clarify, that’s not what I teach. None of my clients do this and I don’t make my clients do this either.”

      Julien: ” I just want to clarify I do teach when to back off. The world’s reaction is to broaden more focus on that and I’m definitely — if I continue with to teach this.”

      Julien: “I’m going to reinforce that I do teach consent and I teach it, you know, in a very clear way for like any guy to understand, if there is how to read girl, what signs she is not into it.”

      Does that really sound like he’s “denouncing everything he ever talked about”? Or is that maybe a bit of a hysterical overreaction.

      If you didn’t read that transcript before I posted it here, that’s kind of the point. The MSM won’t let your message get out, they’ll edit it to show the narrative they want. All the speeches these guys are coming up with for how they’d have handled it would be lost in a transcript somewhere while the edited version that cuts all that out will be what’s promoted around the internet.

      Look at how many sites/tweets/etc. cover allegations of rape, and how many actually give even REMOTELY the same attention to the “turns out he was innocent” story.

      People are approaching this like the same PR that worked before Twitter/Facebook will still work today. Technology has changed things, if people can’t see that then I don’t know what to tell them lol Look in-depth into GamerGate and see how that’s been going. Sure, they’re making some slow progress toward success in places, but every emotional post Anita Sarkeesian (or the other LWs) makes gets 10000x the coverage anything “the evil harassing white neckbeard male misogynists crying man tears” gets.

      You just get the SJWs off your back and go back to teaching men. Same way the MGTOWs do it. MGTOWs don’t care if a CNN news anchor doesn’t approve of their lifestyle, they’re busy teaching men how to stop paying attention to the MSM and just do their own thing instead of caring about mass acceptance.

      The Manosphere is trying SO HARD to get mainstream approval, when every second post/article is actively repelling that goal. Just give up, our ideas are completely unacceptable to them. Jezebel will NEVER write an article saying kino is okay or approaching a woman on the street is acceptable behavior. CNN will NEVER do a news segment on how negs and push/pull are attractive or how “fat shaming week” and “reasons to date a chick with an eating disorder” articles on ROK make valid points. That’s fantasy world dreaming.


    • YaReally
      on November 18, 2014 at 3:18 am
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      You gotta understand: the guys seriously taking up PUA already know SJWs and the mainstream media won’t accept their ideas/views.

      That’s why we aren’t throwing Julien under the bus over this. Because we’ve all already experienced that “I tried to tell my friends about this cool new thing I was learning that will help them and they laughed in my face, insulted it without listening to it, and then called me a misogynist and told me to just be myself around girls and quit hating women and using creepy manipulation even though I have all this amazing content to show them that it isn’t creepy manipulation but they won’t even LOOK at it wtf!!” moment.

      We’ve also had the “dude, quit that shit, why are you so obsessed with pussy. Just be yourself man, some girl will come along some day. Just be yourself, like me, let’s get wasted, don’t approach girls man, Suzie in your social circle likes you, why don’t you just ask her if she’ll let you take her on a date and bring her flowers? She’s a cute 6/10, and you’re an average looking guy, you should be happy with that. Don’t try to make money or be successful in life either man, that’s making me feel bad about how average MY life is, just sit on the couch smoking pot with your fat girlfriend like the rest of us” moments that have taught us that no one wants to accept this stuff.

      Like the Red Pill guys can spin their angle on it as “we teach general men’s self-improvement” so a guy presenting the Red Pill will probably get less “you’re a creepy manipulator of women”, but PUAs openly cover self-improvement with a massive focus on pickup, sex, and relationships with women, which in today’s society if you’re a man and you TRY to improve with women, you’re automatically shit on. You should just “be yourself” and hope some girl comes along, so they know who the betas and the alphas are.

      No one in the mainstream wants to see Bob the nerdy asian IT guy learn to slay hot young poon left and right. They want him to stay in his little chode bubble for life, legally marry and hand his assets over to some post-wall feminist shrew who’s fucking the alpha poolboy, and will shame him for trying to escape that fate.

      The guys who are actually trying to learn PUA from a community like RSD, already know Julien isn’t going to stunt all over CNNs faces, flip the bird to Feminists, and have the SJWs carrying him on their shoulders out of the newsroom chanting “you’re the king, you’re the king!” Manosphere guys still seem to think they would be able to do that lol SJWs are an irrational emotional mob hellbent on “winning” whatever moral victory is their focus of the week.

      So there’s no disillusionment by Julien apologizing for his offensive content and stressing that he teaches men to have confidence and talk to girls, not that he teaches them to rape or abuse women. That’s not even a rational argument…the media is telling Julien he teaches men to rape and abuse women. He’s not denouncing what he teaches, he’s denouncing the idea that those domestic violence charts and rape-choking are what he teaches these guys. He should “own it” and defend that he teaches domestic violence charts and rape-choking?? Like, that doesn’t even make sense.

      There ARE some guys on RSDNation who are like “JULIEN HOW COME U DIDNT PUNCH CNN IN TEH FACE WTF!!!”, but those are the fanboys who probably aren’t even going out and just post to belong to a club and have no idea what debating with an irrational emotional SJW mob is like. I’m sure those guys are disillusioned, but they probably weren’t actually signed up to an event to take action and work on their life. The guys who are doing that already know our views are socially unacceptable and that the first rule of Fight Club is that you don’t talk about Fight Club. You just do it underground when no one is looking.



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YaReally
on November 17, 2014 at 2:05 pm
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RSD’s statement lol:

Nothing has convinced me more that RVF is full of LARP’ers than reading the fantasies they’ve written about how they would dismantle a CNN host on his own show, defend everything by pointing out logical “if those girls were offended they can press charges” arguments thinking they won’t be immediately destroyed with SJW stats and feels stories about unreported rapes, cut the host off and dominate the conversation, with unflinching unapologetic body language after being holed up for a couple weeks with more combined hate from the entire world than anyone has ever had on the Internet before, and walk out of there with SJWs respecting him (lol) going “ya, you know, he seemed really alpha, let’s lay off, we sure have been schooled”.

Like I thought the fantasies they wrote about how a magical statement at the start when everyone was in full rage mode would have squashed this all out instantly followed by directly character assassinating the SJWs (ya that’s worked great for getting rid of Anita Sarkeesian, that won’t instantly get you labelled as a harassing/attacking women lol) and thrown literally hundreds of thousands of SJWs off their game like they wouldn’t quote-mine to fuel their rage any further and there was some way for RSD (with thousands of hours of free content to quote-mine offensive clips and quotes from) could have escaped completely blemish-free, were funny, but this shit tops it.

I like MikeC, but he’s blown a lot of time and money attacking the SJWs directly and the media is STILL regularly painting GG as misogynist woman haters 2 months later and he has the free services of a lawyer (himself) and his law buddies that can focus their attention on it. RSD knows it’s never going to be mainstream approved or accepted, that’s a fucking fantasy wish lol they just want the attention to drift away so they can go back to business as usual teaching nerds how to say “You’re adorable, I had to come say hi” to girls and get laid.

Julien looks like a scared nervous kid because he IS lol He’s like 24 I think, and just had the world shit on him relentlessly. It also benefits him…if he had come out cocky like Paul Janka they would work even harder to try to take him down and make him crack and that’s just more and more weeks of bad publicity. Now he’s just a scared little boy and the Twitterverse has turned to snark about how un-alpha he is and how no one will take his classes because he’s been revealed to be a pussy etc. Once the SJWs have turned to snark instead of rage, you’re in the safe zone. A week or two of snark and victory-pats on eachother’s back and no one will be talking about Julien or RSD.

Julien apologized (even if it’s clearly a bullshit apology, throw some snark about it in a comment section and you’ve done your part, now what’s happening with Kim Kardashian’s butt this week??) and said everything they want to hear about reconsidering what he teaches and all that shit. It wasn’t great, obviously he could’ve been better prepared, but it wasn’t horrible at all.

He mentioned that the girls in the vid were girls he was hanging with in Japan, which when you watch the actual footage would make sense. Pretty ballsy to grab a girl behind a counter and whisper in her ear and try to kiss her and wow she froze up terrified right? …unless, you know, you’ve been hanging with her for a couple days and dropped into her work to embarrass her the same way you might embarrass your girlfriend by flirting with her at work. Weird that he pulls the same girls’ head down to his crotch twice in the bar and no one says anything and she doesn’t leave in-between those times…unless, you know, he went to the bar WITH that girl and her group and they know him and she likes him.

But hey, why use any critical thinking, right? No one is even reading this far into this post anyway lol If it doesn’t fit into a Gawker headline then fuck it, too much work, someone tell me what to be outraged about next!

Julien isn’t even actually banned from anywhere but Australia. Read the statements by officials closely. They’re all “this man offends us, we don’t approve of his values, we’ll take a serious look into this and do everything in our power to stop him from entering our country”, they’re not “Julien’s VISA has been revoked and he is officially barred from entering our country.”

This is the same “declaring early victory for good feelz” thing they did with RSD taking down the tour dates. They didn’t take them down because they were cancelled lol, they took them down so SJWs would have a harder time finding their schedule and so they can reschedule or move some around. There’s no reason they can’t go to Chicago then New York instead of New York then Chicago, but the SJWs like the good feelz so they declare victory early just like the “Julien is banned from the entire world!!” stuff.

Brad hasn’t been teaching pickup for like a year, Alex was always doing his own thing and had to bail ’cause he’s an Aussie. Jeffy is just always mad at everything and just put out a new product that probably took a hit in this shit-storm. Tyler’s plans to go into self-help are probably fucked but he’s too awkward for a mainstream audience to take self-help advice from anyway (Tony Robbins is a likeable guy, Tyler is weird and still has awkward aspergers mannerisms) so that dream wasn’t going to pan out in the first place.

Julien will keep teaching. Is he going to go get a job at McDonald’s? No, lol. All this has done is bring him a shit-ton of publicity. If someone says “pickup coach” the first name on everyone’s tounge will be Julien instead of Mystery now and RSD has enough solid free content up that anyone looking into what they teach will find a few videos that make sense to them.

RSD’s money comes directly from students. They travel the world for the exposure, and the people going to their Free Tours are fans. Does anyone think they’re posting up advertisements in fucking Starbucks saying “Want to learn how to talk to girls? Come to Julien Blanc’s seminar this Thursday at 3pm!!” like it’s a school rally? lol The guys attending the Free Tour sign up through the website or are brought by a friend, so they’re already open to their ideas.

Does anyone really think there’s any shortage of nerdy asian/indian IT guys with money who want to learn how to talk to girls and get a girlfriend just in Silicon Valley ALONE? lol Their bootcamps are only 3 people. Julien could teach in Vegas every weekend and be just fine, let alone traveling around the USA, esp with this exposure (“Women love him, men hate him! Learn the secret techniques created by the most hated man in the world!”).

Their other big money maker is the HotSeat and the only people going to HotSeat are huge fans who know Julien’s humor is dark and extreme so they’re not listening to anything the media says about him.

The *FREE* Tours that were cancelled make RSD no actual direct money aside from convincing a few people to take a bootcamp but they only need to convince 3 people anyway, so they’re losing out on like 20 sales over a few months maybe, by not being able to send Julien to Australia. Like they can’t find 20 people in Vegas or Silicon Valley ALONE that want to learn how to talk to girls? lol

Is anyone going to protest Julien’s bootcamps? No. People are too apathetic to care for that long. All RSD has to do is not post up the locations of them in public. Literally Julien could just text the students an hour before the seminar “ok the location is here, GO!” and they hop in a cab and attend. No one is going to be combing the bar scene for them lol

Bars are going to ban Julien and Tyler? The guys they know by name because they’re there all the time, regularly bringing a bunch of dudes with money to their club every weekend? They’re going to ban them for talking to girls? In a bar? And possibly making the girls have a fun time? In a bar environment where they see WAY worse every single night? Do you even nightclub bro? lol

So many lols on so many levels. Did they handle everything right? No, esp attacking 8chan legally, that was silly (you don’t fuck with Hotwheels lol). But the end result isn’t going to be the end of RSD by any means.

Less feminists and SJWs and white knights will take their bootcamps, but none of them were going to anyway.

Critical thinking skills, people. Come on now. SJWs are the ones who are supposed to just blindly lash out at people they hate with no thought or research. You guys have done exactly what the SJWs did to the comet shirt guy.

No one is even going to debate anything I’ve written here, even if they read it. It’s just going to be “lol look at the RSD shill! We know you’re Tyler bro!!” lol It’s not going to be “you know, the business model you’ve described that basically can’t be attacked by outside influences actually has a flaw in this part of it, let me explain and run some numbers”. It’s going to be the same emotional feelz character attacks and snark the SJWs did to the comet shirt guy lol

This was basically the equivalent of crossing a line in-field into genuinely offending some girls and having a group of girls hen-pecking at you simultaneously, over something you said that was miscalibrated. You just quietly let them spaz out (because if you try to talk they’ll just squak over you) and then when they’ve calmed down for a second so you can actually get a word in you apologize and admit you crossed a line and smooth it over.

If it’s a shit-test (faux outrage), you don’t apologize. If it was actually miscalibrated then you just own it and smooth it over, no big deal.

This is why you guys go to Thailand to fuck the 6s with broken english at the local “white guy fetish” bar where 3 of you have all fucked the same girl before. Because you either cave to shit-tests and social pressure, or are so uncalibrated that you think the solution to every situation is “JUST CHARGE STRAIGHT AHEAD FISTS SWINGING BRO!!! ALPHA NEVER APOLOGIZES!!”

Judging by the sky is falling chicken-with-your-head-cut-off nonsense in that thread, a hot 9 in a North American nightclub would tear you guys APART lol

In conclusion:

http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=julien%20blanc&q2=roosh&q3=returnofkings&via=Topsy

U mad brahs? lol


  • walawala
    on November 18, 2014 at 12:04 am
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    @YaReally Interesting interview. Lots of chatter about this on the Red Pill forum. A lot of what he did was exaggerated behaviours the he knew would shock his targets and make him stand out. To the outside world—the feminist-imperative-driven world—it looks bad. But this is the kind of thing stand up comedians and even feminists do when they talk of cutting off men’s balls etc etc.

    What he should have done was to say “I apologize to those I’ve offended but I make no apologies for the mission I’ve made to help guys discover or recover their masculinity”.

    CNN anchor: So you think putting a woman’s head to your crotch is helping people?

    Julien: What I’m saying it you can interpret these things according to your frame of reference. There’s so much of what we do that is so open to misinterpretation. Take for instance the lack of uproar when feminists try to raise the point of sexual violence with talk of cutting off men’s balls etc. I mean it’s an exaggeration and so too was this. I’m sorry it offended.”

    This interview suddenly made me shudder and think…wait…I looked up to this guy and now he’s renouncing everything he ever talked about???

    That will fuck with guy’s heads even more.


    • YaReally
      on November 18, 2014 at 3:00 am
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      @walalwala

      Prob is this is how far you would get in your speech:

      Julien: “What I’m saying is you can interpret these things according to your frame of reference. There’s so–”

      CNN anchor (who’s clearly openly hostile toward Julien and admitted in the interview (read the transcript linked below) that he hasn’t bothered even looking at his stuff and is coming from the frame that Julien is a Rape Coach): “My frame of REFERENCE is this video of you telling men to choke women!! Why do you think that’s acceptable??”

      It’s like guys thinking they’re going to walk into Nazi HQ and convince them Jews are super cool. Or they’re going to walk into CH and convince the crowd that black people are super cool. Or a black guy convincing the lynch mob holding ropes and torches that he didn’t rape that little white girl lol It’s just not going to happen.

      These people don’t WANT to be convinced. They’re not open to it. What they want is a story, a villian, a victory, and a celebration, then off to the next battle.

      Would it have been a great strike for men in the face of SJW pressure, like a big moral victory? Sure. Would it earn Julien the respect of a bunch of people who until this week didn’t know or care he existed? Sure. Would he pass people’s “that’s a real man” test? Sure.

      But have logic and facts EVER stopped SJWs? Just look at GamerGate. With social media, facts aren’t as important as who can shout louder and longer. This isn’t some political debate in the 90s. Social media has changed the world.

      He’d make a moral victory and get a pat on the back from a few guys, but he’d also end up dragging an entire company of like 20 employees and a huge community of men who’ve been helped or are looking for help, thru the mud in the process fighting a battle against hundreds of thousands of people worldwide who don’t WANT to like him or be convinced by him.

      So he tells them everything they want to hear. He’s sorry, he knew the girls, shit was out of context, you can see in the transcript he stressed over and over how RSD teaches calibration and consent and backing off etc. (which is true, they have entire vids on it) and none of the consent stuff made it to the final CNN edit.

      The stuff about his students being awkward etc is to protect them. Right now people think these guys are all American Psychos in training, he’s trying to get people to lay off by explaining that these are just socially awkward nerds they’re not raving psychopaths wanting to hurt women. It’s not insulting them, it’s protecting them from the media.

      SJWs get to celebrate their victory (“we made the little manbaby cry male tears!!”) and then move onto the next white male they can harass for wearing an offensive shirt or for making too much money. Then RSD goes back to business as usual, helping teach men and putting out useful free content that helps guys change their life under the mainstream media’s nose.

      Like is this:

      “I looked up to this guy and now he’s renouncing everything he ever talked about???”

      SERIOUSLY a reaction you have when you read the CNN transcript:

      http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1411/17/nday.04.html

      Where he says, about what he teaches (with the implication that he’s teaching men how to abuse and assault women):

      Julien: “You know, I teach guys how to socialize, how to approach women, but I also teach them how to back off and when to leave. I have been doing this for five years, and I’ve easily pushed thousands of clients.

      There’s never been a single incident and there is a reason for that. It’s the bigger part of our seminars are focused on when to back off. How to read the signs of consent and this year, again stupid posts, I made stupid pictures I put up do not represent what I teach in anyway whatsoever.”

      Julien: “So we do teach when to back off like everyone is hammered in, unfortunately, it isn’t condensed into those pictures there.”

      Julien: “This is not what sells the seminar. The seminar sells with the results they produces and no one, there will not be thousands of guys signing up for some seminar that promote those things.”

      Julien: ” As I mentioned, I did not teach them what you are mentioning here. I teach them how to socialize. I teach them how to express themselves. I teach them when to back off when the girl is not interested. That’s what I teach.”

      Julien: “Which they never would without a sign of consent and that’s what I hammer on.”

      Julien: “That’s not what I teach. Don’t again confuse what I teach versus some stupid attempt at humor.”

      Julien: “I do want to clarify, that’s not what I teach. None of my clients do this and I don’t make my clients do this either.”

      Julien: ” I just want to clarify I do teach when to back off. The world’s reaction is to broaden more focus on that and I’m definitely — if I continue with to teach this.”

      Julien: “I’m going to reinforce that I do teach consent and I teach it, you know, in a very clear way for like any guy to understand, if there is how to read girl, what signs she is not into it.”

      Does that really sound like he’s “denouncing everything he ever talked about”? Or is that maybe a bit of a hysterical overreaction.

      If you didn’t read that transcript before I posted it here, that’s kind of the point. The MSM won’t let your message get out, they’ll edit it to show the narrative they want. All the speeches these guys are coming up with for how they’d have handled it would be lost in a transcript somewhere while the edited version that cuts all that out will be what’s promoted around the internet.

      Look at how many sites/tweets/etc. cover allegations of rape, and how many actually give even REMOTELY the same attention to the “turns out he was innocent” story.

      People are approaching this like the same PR that worked before Twitter/Facebook will still work today. Technology has changed things, if people can’t see that then I don’t know what to tell them lol Look in-depth into GamerGate and see how that’s been going. Sure, they’re making some slow progress toward success in places, but every emotional post Anita Sarkeesian (or the other LWs) makes gets 10000x the coverage anything “the evil harassing white neckbeard male misogynists crying man tears” gets.

      You just get the SJWs off your back and go back to teaching men. Same way the MGTOWs do it. MGTOWs don’t care if a CNN news anchor doesn’t approve of their lifestyle, they’re busy teaching men how to stop paying attention to the MSM and just do their own thing instead of caring about mass acceptance.

      The Manosphere is trying SO HARD to get mainstream approval, when every second post/article is actively repelling that goal. Just give up, our ideas are completely unacceptable to them. Jezebel will NEVER write an article saying kino is okay or approaching a woman on the street is acceptable behavior. CNN will NEVER do a news segment on how negs and push/pull are attractive or how “fat shaming week” and “reasons to date a chick with an eating disorder” articles on ROK make valid points. That’s fantasy world dreaming.


    • YaReally
      on November 18, 2014 at 3:18 am
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      You gotta understand: the guys seriously taking up PUA already know SJWs and the mainstream media won’t accept their ideas/views.

      That’s why we aren’t throwing Julien under the bus over this. Because we’ve all already experienced that “I tried to tell my friends about this cool new thing I was learning that will help them and they laughed in my face, insulted it without listening to it, and then called me a misogynist and told me to just be myself around girls and quit hating women and using creepy manipulation even though I have all this amazing content to show them that it isn’t creepy manipulation but they won’t even LOOK at it wtf!!” moment.

      We’ve also had the “dude, quit that shit, why are you so obsessed with pussy. Just be yourself man, some girl will come along some day. Just be yourself, like me, let’s get wasted, don’t approach girls man, Suzie in your social circle likes you, why don’t you just ask her if she’ll let you take her on a date and bring her flowers? She’s a cute 6/10, and you’re an average looking guy, you should be happy with that. Don’t try to make money or be successful in life either man, that’s making me feel bad about how average MY life is, just sit on the couch smoking pot with your fat girlfriend like the rest of us” moments that have taught us that no one wants to accept this stuff.

      Like the Red Pill guys can spin their angle on it as “we teach general men’s self-improvement” so a guy presenting the Red Pill will probably get less “you’re a creepy manipulator of women”, but PUAs openly cover self-improvement with a massive focus on pickup, sex, and relationships with women, which in today’s society if you’re a man and you TRY to improve with women, you’re automatically shit on. You should just “be yourself” and hope some girl comes along, so they know who the betas and the alphas are.

      No one in the mainstream wants to see Bob the nerdy asian IT guy learn to slay hot young poon left and right. They want him to stay in his little chode bubble for life, legally marry and hand his assets over to some post-wall feminist shrew who’s fucking the alpha poolboy, and will shame him for trying to escape that fate.

      The guys who are actually trying to learn PUA from a community like RSD, already know Julien isn’t going to stunt all over CNNs faces, flip the bird to Feminists, and have the SJWs carrying him on their shoulders out of the newsroom chanting “you’re the king, you’re the king!” Manosphere guys still seem to think they would be able to do that lol SJWs are an irrational emotional mob hellbent on “winning” whatever moral victory is their focus of the week.

      So there’s no disillusionment by Julien apologizing for his offensive content and stressing that he teaches men to have confidence and talk to girls, not that he teaches them to rape or abuse women. That’s not even a rational argument…the media is telling Julien he teaches men to rape and abuse women. He’s not denouncing what he teaches, he’s denouncing the idea that those domestic violence charts and rape-choking are what he teaches these guys. He should “own it” and defend that he teaches domestic violence charts and rape-choking?? Like, that doesn’t even make sense.

      There ARE some guys on RSDNation who are like “JULIEN HOW COME U DIDNT PUNCH CNN IN TEH FACE WTF!!!”, but those are the fanboys who probably aren’t even going out and just post to belong to a club and have no idea what debating with an irrational emotional SJW mob is like. I’m sure those guys are disillusioned, but they probably weren’t actually signed up to an event to take action and work on their life. The guys who are doing that already know our views are socially unacceptable and that the first rule of Fight Club is that you don’t talk about Fight Club. You just do it underground when no one is looking.



Beta Or Omega Male?

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via Heartiste

Hunter
on November 16, 2014 at 3:46 pm
Original Link

So… the theme of this FR is self sabotage.

I’m becoming someone completely different and it’s a bit jarring… girls can’t ignore me anymore (for the most part, I have a couple weak interactions with 9s coming up in a bit) and it’s like I’m messing up ON PURPOSE.

Weekend FR-

I opened a lot of girls and had a lot of good interactions (laser eye contact, relaxed, sexually charged) but the main one I remember is one with a blonde and 5 orbiters.

It was later on in the night. Black guy is talking to 7.5 blonde (she’s taller than me). I cut in and talk about how cold my hands are and I need warm soul to warm them up. We banter for a bit about how cold she actually is and I’m not getting any warmer (lots of sexual innuendo you could use here). Black guy gets blown out, I’m in.

I’m about to leave cuz I think she thinks I’m a chode, but my eye contact says otherwise. She pulls me back in and I say more witty shit. More convo, she’s loving it. Her white guy chode orbiters start dancing around her to grab her attention. She’s transfixed.

Her: I’m not kissing you.
Me: That’s fine (I go for makeout)
Her: Lol no

And then I try to go for her number. This is like a 10 min interaction at this point.

Her: I don’t trust you. You’re too smooth. You do this all the time.
Me: Why don’t you trust me?
Her: I don’t know you.
Me: Did you always know your friends?
Her: I’m sorry I just don’t know you.

So I leave and ask my wing “Why won’t she give me her number?”

GingerWing: Try doing comfort. Go back in there.

I’m like uggggh, I don’t want to look needy. I realize, really, I don’t want to be vulnerable.

So I go back in, she flocks back to me. The orbiter dudes are getting really mad so they start trying to bud in.

As we’re flirting/chatting, the 6’4 dude starts rubbing his butt on me (I’m 5’9).

Me: Dude, get off me! (I push him off, he looks like he’s about to get in my face)

She comes in between me and him, pulls me away and goes “It’s okay” (that was the sweetest thing I’ve ever seen wtf, a girl’s never done that me before)

At this point, we’re close, my arm’s around her waist. Talking in each other’s ears. It’s done as far as ONS’s go.

Her girlfriend is now surrounded by the orbiters. She tries to pull blondie away from me. Blonde’s swiftly turns around and is like “Stop it, I’m FINE.” or something to that effect. Wrestles free from her and comes back to me o_O?!

I’m just like… whoa. This chick wants me.

Me: This is probably the best convo you’ve had all night.
Her: As far as strangers go, absolutely. I’ve never met anyone so cool and persistent… but you said you don’t have time for me (I kept trying to leave with her number… but she wanted to fuck me, I know it).
Me: When did I say that?
Her: You don’t have time for me (leaves again).

Grrrrr. Just give me your number! (But now I’m like… why didn’t I fuck her???? I checked logistics, not great, she only had her friend with her)

I reapproach later and the orbiters see me and fortify their defenses. 3 try and block me physically. The tallest one is dancing with blonde with his back to me. I bust through the dudes, but another one blocks my waist with his arm and says “He just cockblocked you bro.”

Me: Uh, why are you touching me…? (His arm comes off and I move forward)
Big dude sees me, but I come around him and tap her on the shoulder. She turns around, drops him, back onto me.

But at this point, I figure I should go for comfort. We talk for like two minutes about college/work. Her friend comes and says I should buy her a drink. I say no lol.

Blonde: I won’t give you my number… but check out my ass. Don’t touch.
I grab her hips and pull her into me.

But I ultimately leave. She says if I see her the next night out, she’ll give me her number. I don’t see her again.

But really, I didn’t try to fuck her. I got scared guys. I didn’t feel… more like, I couldn’t BELIEVE this was happening.

Taked about sex with an all girl set. It’s getting easier.

This quote from Scray’s FR sums it up pretty well:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-456524

“You’re giving off the externals of a guy who can get these girls, so they’re reacting to you as if you’re there, but your internals haven’t caught up so you’re self-sabotaging and “premature ejectulating” and second-guessing and pulling yourself out of there because your brain is like “wtf no way this could be happening, I’m just SCRAY”.

Except, I’m just HUNTER.

So I’m like, fucking scared man… but as YaReally said:

“As much as I hate the term, this is the stage where it’s time to “man up”. :) You’ve got the skillset to lay the groundwork out, all you have to do now is step in and claim what’s yours.”

That was the theme for last night too. I approach these hot ass girls (7s and 8s) and I would rock their frame by using sexual openers “I’m a virgin trying to get it in. What’s up” and they’d lol cuz my eye contact was unwavering.

And I’d be like “wait, me? Really???”

Me: Alright guys, we’ll see ya around.

Jeezus…

But oh boy, the 9s… they don’t react to me yet. Or they do, but they see that I’m effected by their hotness and they bail/ignore.

Pushed through a lot of discomfort, man. Going after hotter girls. I’m becoming a different person and it’s mindblowing… it’s only a matter of time.

P.S. Been working on my body language lately. Looked up Cajun’s sections on Beyond Words and his recommendations to watch The Wild One with Marlon Brando. The results are… as you can tell… only making me more alpha/unreactive. Tonality is way louder too.

Started Sex God Method. Good read.

AlphaWing says I’m still too soft tho… he didn’t see me with the blonde and the other chicks as of late so I don’t blame him :)

Anyway, time for me to man up. Later bros.


  • YaReally
    on November 16, 2014 at 8:36 pm
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    @Hunter
    Good stuff dude. Careful not to get into a fight lol the key is that she kept choosing you. If you persist with her but she’s not showing much ACTIVE interest, then the guys can justify kicking your ass. But if SHE chooses YOU, like she kept doing, then they’re forced to stand there impotent or at best try to prevent you from getting into her field of vision again, because then they aren’t beating up a guy harassing her, they’re beating up a guy she LIKES and they won’t do that. (at least not around her lol they may wait outside the bar for you or something after she leaves so keep them on your radar).

    As long as she’s ACTIVELY choosing you (VS subtly being into you but hiding it) they won’t do anything.

    Also the hotter girls are often the ones more likely to tell their friends to fuck off if they like you. The average wishy washy 6 will let her friends drag her away because she needs group approval more. But a hotter girl will be like “no shut up I like this one go away” because she rarely meets a guy who interests her and doesn’t flinch around her and doesn’t want her friends to fuck it up.

    Fuck up is from what Scray said where you haven’t grown into the big boy pants you’re wearing now (lol) and mental success barriers (like you don’t deserve a girl of that quality in your head yet which manifests as stuff like prematurely ejecting the set, going for the number instead of the lay, convincing yourself she must be a hooker or it’s some sort of trick, etc).

    Both of those are just internal issues that will sort themselves out as you collect reference experiences and your brain normalizes interacting with hot girls. Then it’ll chill and tell you “of course this girl is into you” instead of “wtf I can’t believe this is happening!!”

    Props on your progress over the last year. Even your writing is less wishy-washy/stifled and is expressing your personality more. A year ago you were being blown out for not having anything to say and being unable to get an emotional reaction out of girls lol

    For that chick you had insane Attraction but Attraction doesn’t get you laid, Comfort does. It would’ve been hard in that enviro and with all her bodyguards to get like half an hour isolated with her to build deep comfort (not just what do you do in school but like what are your hopes and dreams in life and exchanging/connecting on vulnerabilities etc all that deep shit…with hot girls I like to talk about looks and people’s perception of them and how people probably misjudge them etc and go into a bit of general social observations to show that I understand her world and the types of lame guys she had to deal with etc, which a lot of guys don’t…like I’ll tell her I don’t think her boyfriends here approve of me and we’ll bond over how they all want to fuck her but she isn’t into them and explore some of that etc to show that I get it and go into stuff about how they never even really see the real her because she comes in a pretty package and she has to live up to expectations and that’s why she can’t give me her number because people would judge her etc etc) and Relevance is important too like not just what does she do for fun but how does that relate to you and your world and how could the two be combined to where she can imagine her and you together VS just knowing stuff about you.

    Hard to pull that off in that situation but if you could have, that would’ve gotten you the number, cause she was definitely heavily Attracted.

    All good tho. Lots of lessons learned. Glad you’re using solid eye contact. Watch the Liam McRae and Richard LaRuina vids a million times lol the Lovesystems Beyond Words videos are great esp Cajun’s section. He’s on Keys to the VIP if you want to see him in action, just type it into YouTube. He’s a great example of low-energy game.



Beta Or Omega Male?

Original Link

via Heartiste

Hunter
on November 16, 2014 at 3:46 pm
Original Link

So… the theme of this FR is self sabotage.

I’m becoming someone completely different and it’s a bit jarring… girls can’t ignore me anymore (for the most part, I have a couple weak interactions with 9s coming up in a bit) and it’s like I’m messing up ON PURPOSE.

Weekend FR-

I opened a lot of girls and had a lot of good interactions (laser eye contact, relaxed, sexually charged) but the main one I remember is one with a blonde and 5 orbiters.

It was later on in the night. Black guy is talking to 7.5 blonde (she’s taller than me). I cut in and talk about how cold my hands are and I need warm soul to warm them up. We banter for a bit about how cold she actually is and I’m not getting any warmer (lots of sexual innuendo you could use here). Black guy gets blown out, I’m in.

I’m about to leave cuz I think she thinks I’m a chode, but my eye contact says otherwise. She pulls me back in and I say more witty shit. More convo, she’s loving it. Her white guy chode orbiters start dancing around her to grab her attention. She’s transfixed.

Her: I’m not kissing you.
Me: That’s fine (I go for makeout)
Her: Lol no

And then I try to go for her number. This is like a 10 min interaction at this point.

Her: I don’t trust you. You’re too smooth. You do this all the time.
Me: Why don’t you trust me?
Her: I don’t know you.
Me: Did you always know your friends?
Her: I’m sorry I just don’t know you.

So I leave and ask my wing “Why won’t she give me her number?”

GingerWing: Try doing comfort. Go back in there.

I’m like uggggh, I don’t want to look needy. I realize, really, I don’t want to be vulnerable.

So I go back in, she flocks back to me. The orbiter dudes are getting really mad so they start trying to bud in.

As we’re flirting/chatting, the 6’4 dude starts rubbing his butt on me (I’m 5’9).

Me: Dude, get off me! (I push him off, he looks like he’s about to get in my face)

She comes in between me and him, pulls me away and goes “It’s okay” (that was the sweetest thing I’ve ever seen wtf, a girl’s never done that me before)

At this point, we’re close, my arm’s around her waist. Talking in each other’s ears. It’s done as far as ONS’s go.

Her girlfriend is now surrounded by the orbiters. She tries to pull blondie away from me. Blonde’s swiftly turns around and is like “Stop it, I’m FINE.” or something to that effect. Wrestles free from her and comes back to me o_O?!

I’m just like… whoa. This chick wants me.

Me: This is probably the best convo you’ve had all night.
Her: As far as strangers go, absolutely. I’ve never met anyone so cool and persistent… but you said you don’t have time for me (I kept trying to leave with her number… but she wanted to fuck me, I know it).
Me: When did I say that?
Her: You don’t have time for me (leaves again).

Grrrrr. Just give me your number! (But now I’m like… why didn’t I fuck her???? I checked logistics, not great, she only had her friend with her)

I reapproach later and the orbiters see me and fortify their defenses. 3 try and block me physically. The tallest one is dancing with blonde with his back to me. I bust through the dudes, but another one blocks my waist with his arm and says “He just cockblocked you bro.”

Me: Uh, why are you touching me…? (His arm comes off and I move forward)
Big dude sees me, but I come around him and tap her on the shoulder. She turns around, drops him, back onto me.

But at this point, I figure I should go for comfort. We talk for like two minutes about college/work. Her friend comes and says I should buy her a drink. I say no lol.

Blonde: I won’t give you my number… but check out my ass. Don’t touch.
I grab her hips and pull her into me.

But I ultimately leave. She says if I see her the next night out, she’ll give me her number. I don’t see her again.

But really, I didn’t try to fuck her. I got scared guys. I didn’t feel… more like, I couldn’t BELIEVE this was happening.

Taked about sex with an all girl set. It’s getting easier.

This quote from Scray’s FR sums it up pretty well:

http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-456524

“You’re giving off the externals of a guy who can get these girls, so they’re reacting to you as if you’re there, but your internals haven’t caught up so you’re self-sabotaging and “premature ejectulating” and second-guessing and pulling yourself out of there because your brain is like “wtf no way this could be happening, I’m just SCRAY”.

Except, I’m just HUNTER.

So I’m like, fucking scared man… but as YaReally said:

“As much as I hate the term, this is the stage where it’s time to “man up”. :) You’ve got the skillset to lay the groundwork out, all you have to do now is step in and claim what’s yours.”

That was the theme for last night too. I approach these hot ass girls (7s and 8s) and I would rock their frame by using sexual openers “I’m a virgin trying to get it in. What’s up” and they’d lol cuz my eye contact was unwavering.

And I’d be like “wait, me? Really???”

Me: Alright guys, we’ll see ya around.

Jeezus…

But oh boy, the 9s… they don’t react to me yet. Or they do, but they see that I’m effected by their hotness and they bail/ignore.

Pushed through a lot of discomfort, man. Going after hotter girls. I’m becoming a different person and it’s mindblowing… it’s only a matter of time.

P.S. Been working on my body language lately. Looked up Cajun’s sections on Beyond Words and his recommendations to watch The Wild One with Marlon Brando. The results are… as you can tell… only making me more alpha/unreactive. Tonality is way louder too.

Started Sex God Method. Good read.

AlphaWing says I’m still too soft tho… he didn’t see me with the blonde and the other chicks as of late so I don’t blame him :)

Anyway, time for me to man up. Later bros.


  • YaReally
    on November 16, 2014 at 8:36 pm
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    @Hunter
    Good stuff dude. Careful not to get into a fight lol the key is that she kept choosing you. If you persist with her but she’s not showing much ACTIVE interest, then the guys can justify kicking your ass. But if SHE chooses YOU, like she kept doing, then they’re forced to stand there impotent or at best try to prevent you from getting into her field of vision again, because then they aren’t beating up a guy harassing her, they’re beating up a guy she LIKES and they won’t do that. (at least not around her lol they may wait outside the bar for you or something after she leaves so keep them on your radar).

    As long as she’s ACTIVELY choosing you (VS subtly being into you but hiding it) they won’t do anything.

    Also the hotter girls are often the ones more likely to tell their friends to fuck off if they like you. The average wishy washy 6 will let her friends drag her away because she needs group approval more. But a hotter girl will be like “no shut up I like this one go away” because she rarely meets a guy who interests her and doesn’t flinch around her and doesn’t want her friends to fuck it up.

    Fuck up is from what Scray said where you haven’t grown into the big boy pants you’re wearing now (lol) and mental success barriers (like you don’t deserve a girl of that quality in your head yet which manifests as stuff like prematurely ejecting the set, going for the number instead of the lay, convincing yourself she must be a hooker or it’s some sort of trick, etc).

    Both of those are just internal issues that will sort themselves out as you collect reference experiences and your brain normalizes interacting with hot girls. Then it’ll chill and tell you “of course this girl is into you” instead of “wtf I can’t believe this is happening!!”

    Props on your progress over the last year. Even your writing is less wishy-washy/stifled and is expressing your personality more. A year ago you were being blown out for not having anything to say and being unable to get an emotional reaction out of girls lol

    For that chick you had insane Attraction but Attraction doesn’t get you laid, Comfort does. It would’ve been hard in that enviro and with all her bodyguards to get like half an hour isolated with her to build deep comfort (not just what do you do in school but like what are your hopes and dreams in life and exchanging/connecting on vulnerabilities etc all that deep shit…with hot girls I like to talk about looks and people’s perception of them and how people probably misjudge them etc and go into a bit of general social observations to show that I understand her world and the types of lame guys she had to deal with etc, which a lot of guys don’t…like I’ll tell her I don’t think her boyfriends here approve of me and we’ll bond over how they all want to fuck her but she isn’t into them and explore some of that etc to show that I get it and go into stuff about how they never even really see the real her because she comes in a pretty package and she has to live up to expectations and that’s why she can’t give me her number because people would judge her etc etc) and Relevance is important too like not just what does she do for fun but how does that relate to you and your world and how could the two be combined to where she can imagine her and you together VS just knowing stuff about you.

    Hard to pull that off in that situation but if you could have, that would’ve gotten you the number, cause she was definitely heavily Attracted.

    All good tho. Lots of lessons learned. Glad you’re using solid eye contact. Watch the Liam McRae and Richard LaRuina vids a million times lol the Lovesystems Beyond Words videos are great esp Cajun’s section. He’s on Keys to the VIP if you want to see him in action, just type it into YouTube. He’s a great example of low-energy game.



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on November 13, 2014 at 10:17 am
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So little update on the previous challenges I had with the chick from Texas. Met at a convention and was cockblocked by my really good looking “friend”. Almost got the bang but no cigar. Yareally, HABD and Walawala gave me some really good advice on how to be more alpha with specific steps. And Trav777 mentioned on how to game my so called friend. That always helps. So like I was saying she went back to her hometown but she visits here frequently. And we left it open agreeing to stay in touch when she comes to town.
Well I have waited a couple of weeks and want to reengage to maintain a little contact. Nothing too heavy just keep in touch so we can make plans. So far not so good though. I texted her couple of days ago and this is what has happened so far.

Me: Hey there this is that sexy man from ____. (trying to open with something flirty.)

(almost exactly 24 hours later)
Her: Hey there! HRU?

(I waited about 12 hours)
Me: Young did with a dream…just got off the driving range…what are you up to? (trying to get her to engage)

Its been two days and no response. I know the goal is to get her to chase me. But I am not getting there. What would you guys recommend? I know that my texts aren’t the best but that’s all I have. I cannot just create witty banter out of nothing. Especially when she is giving me nothing. Is this a case of just cut my losses and move on? Or should I just tell her to contact me when she comes out? Or my natural friend said he is a big fan of confrontation. And said to just send a humorous text like “you are breaking up with me already?” I didn’t like that one. Or maybe just ask to set up a meeting date and time. What would you guys do?


  • YaReally
    on November 13, 2014 at 7:09 pm
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    @Reco
    “(I waited about 12 hours)”

    Why?

    You had her attention in whatever her busy schedule was, and she was receptive and presumably able to have a conversation.

    In that 12 hours she got 400 Likes on Facebook, 50 texts from her orbiters, put out 4 emotionally draining fires at work, 100 messages on her OKCupid, etc. (exaggerated obviously, but you get the point)

    Don’t fall for the oldschool belief about texting showing neediness. The game has changed in the last few years because of social media. Before social media and all the instant validation girls get, ya, aloof was great, 12 hours builds tension and she’s sitting by her phone dying for your next text and all. But these days it’s just passing up an opportunity to flirt and cement attraction and letting her change into less receptive states.

    If you get her attention, plow that shit hard while you can. That’s why I recommend texting in the evening past 8pm (ideally 9:30-10pm when she’s probably in bed winding down and you have her full attention and privacy)…so that if she responds, it can be turned into a solid value-building situation.


    • YaReally
      on November 14, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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      @Reco
      God don’t send a dick pic. Ever. Men shouldn’t send dick pics. Not only is it way too easy to go wrong (esp if this is someone in any way connected with work), but then a dick pic of you is out there floating around forever. Nothing you send will ever die in the technology age.

      If you’re going to send something overtly sexual, send a textual description. When a chick is around her friends and gets a dick pic she just shows it to her friends and they all lol There’s a reason women’s porn tends to be books like 50 Shades. Their imagination/mind turns them on more than seeing a pic of a dick.

      “And I never seem to get his right Yareally on the texting interval. As soon as I finally learn to space out the intervals now I need to bring it back In Lol”

      lol every newbie goes through it. You’re learning calibration. Now you know what can happen if you wait too long so you can weigh “do I seem to have her full attention right now? Is it 2pm on a work day or is it 9pm on a Sunday night? Should I keep engaging and escalate or just ignore her for a few hours?” and calibrate to the situation.

      “do you guys think I should do one of those fake texts in the middle of the night like I am sending it to someone else? You know where you say “I am down at the end of the bar where are you?” Just to build interest?”

      No, every chick knows this is fake, ’cause they and/or their friends do it to guys lol Remember you haven’t actually done anything horrible and low value yet. Don’t pull the chute early and throw out hail mary’s when you’re probably going to hear from her next time she’s coming up. She may reply tomorrow saying “hey sorry work was crazy, looking forward to seeing you again!” Just chill out and ping in a couple weeks or when you know she’ll be coming up again.

      “Finally I knew this chick was really into me at the time. It got really hot and heavy in the room. Plus she was future projecting and making plans, and qualifying to me a lot. She told me how different I was. Threw a few shit tests which I passed. But I guess she could have gone cold by now.”

      This is what I mean when I talk about guys thinking “she was really into me that night, so when I txt her or we meet up for a Day 2, how come she’s ice cold??? I should be able to just pick up where I left off!” You’re often starting over from scratch after that first night…that’s why the Same Night Lay is a good idea, because in that moment you’re amazing to her so if you can pull off the bang then she’ll probably be locked down as a fuckbuddy. But if you don’t pull it off you have to deal with this kind of thing where she’s “reset” emotionally or even in a BAD emotional state and you have a lot of uphill work to redo.

      Again, I’ll stress that she hasn’t done anything horrible. She hasn’t given you shitty answers or told you to fuck off or anything. She just hasn’t replied yet. Maybe she opened her phone and intended to reply but had to take a shit and forgot she had a message to reply to, maybe she dropped her phone in a lake, etc. Lots of possible explanations, don’t freak out yet.

      Just chill and ping in a couple weeks. She may even ping you next week. If she’s the logical/all-business type she may see no reason to ping you till she’s closer to a trip there because she doesn’t want to start a relationship up just have fun. Maybe she met another dude and she’s seeing how that goes right now but she’ll be down to bone and focus on you when she comes up. Again lots of possibilities that aren’t “it’s over”.

      We’re guys, we want certainty. We want to know 4 weeks before she comes up that we’ll be hanging out. But girls run on emotion in the moment. You could txt her the night her airplane lands and if you make her feel good emotions she’ll meet up if you make her feel bad emotions she’ll avoid it. Don’t stress yet.

      She MIGHT have lost interest or her situation may have changed in a way where you’re no longer a good idea for her to hook up with, but 1) there’s not enough stone-cold evidence of that (not enough to give up), and 2) you had her attracted before so even if her situ has changed and you can’t get her stoked right now, in a few weeks when she’s on an airplane landing in your city, a few solid texts could re-stoke that attraction and you’re in. Women live in the moment, how she feels now could be a total 180 from how she felt 10 minutes ago before she listened to a happy song or a sad scene in a movie came on, and 10 minutes later she’ll be in a different emotional state lol

      “I will try to get her out and not worry about if she does not. I have three other plates spinning now. And I am approaching more in the daytime.so things are getting more solid.”

      Good on ya, glad things are still going well. When I get older I’m planning to switch more to day-game. Cool charming older guy at the grocery store is probably a more exciting story to tell her friends than drunk old bar-fly on a stool lol



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Reco
on November 13, 2014 at 10:17 am
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So little update on the previous challenges I had with the chick from Texas. Met at a convention and was cockblocked by my really good looking “friend�. Almost got the bang but no cigar. Yareally, HABD and Walawala gave me some really good advice on how to be more alpha with specific steps. And Trav777 mentioned on how to game my so called friend. That always helps. So like I was saying she went back to her hometown but she visits here frequently. And we left it open agreeing to stay in touch when she comes to town.
Well I have waited a couple of weeks and want to reengage to maintain a little contact. Nothing too heavy just keep in touch so we can make plans. So far not so good though. I texted her couple of days ago and this is what has happened so far.

Me: Hey there this is that sexy man from ____. (trying to open with something flirty.)

(almost exactly 24 hours later)
Her: Hey there! HRU?

(I waited about 12 hours)
Me: Young did with a dream…just got off the driving range…what are you up to? (trying to get her to engage)

Its been two days and no response. I know the goal is to get her to chase me. But I am not getting there. What would you guys recommend? I know that my texts aren’t the best but that’s all I have. I cannot just create witty banter out of nothing. Especially when she is giving me nothing. Is this a case of just cut my losses and move on? Or should I just tell her to contact me when she comes out? Or my natural friend said he is a big fan of confrontation. And said to just send a humorous text like “you are breaking up with me already?� I didn’t like that one. Or maybe just ask to set up a meeting date and time. What would you guys do?


  • YaReally
    on November 13, 2014 at 7:09 pm
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    @Reco
    “(I waited about 12 hours)”

    Why?

    You had her attention in whatever her busy schedule was, and she was receptive and presumably able to have a conversation.

    In that 12 hours she got 400 Likes on Facebook, 50 texts from her orbiters, put out 4 emotionally draining fires at work, 100 messages on her OKCupid, etc. (exaggerated obviously, but you get the point)

    Don’t fall for the oldschool belief about texting showing neediness. The game has changed in the last few years because of social media. Before social media and all the instant validation girls get, ya, aloof was great, 12 hours builds tension and she’s sitting by her phone dying for your next text and all. But these days it’s just passing up an opportunity to flirt and cement attraction and letting her change into less receptive states.

    If you get her attention, plow that shit hard while you can. That’s why I recommend texting in the evening past 8pm (ideally 9:30-10pm when she’s probably in bed winding down and you have her full attention and privacy)…so that if she responds, it can be turned into a solid value-building situation.


    • YaReally
      on November 14, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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      @Reco
      God don’t send a dick pic. Ever. Men shouldn’t send dick pics. Not only is it way too easy to go wrong (esp if this is someone in any way connected with work), but then a dick pic of you is out there floating around forever. Nothing you send will ever die in the technology age.

      If you’re going to send something overtly sexual, send a textual description. When a chick is around her friends and gets a dick pic she just shows it to her friends and they all lol There’s a reason women’s porn tends to be books like 50 Shades. Their imagination/mind turns them on more than seeing a pic of a dick.

      “And I never seem to get his right Yareally on the texting interval. As soon as I finally learn to space out the intervals now I need to bring it back In Lol”

      lol every newbie goes through it. You’re learning calibration. Now you know what can happen if you wait too long so you can weigh “do I seem to have her full attention right now? Is it 2pm on a work day or is it 9pm on a Sunday night? Should I keep engaging and escalate or just ignore her for a few hours?” and calibrate to the situation.

      “do you guys think I should do one of those fake texts in the middle of the night like I am sending it to someone else? You know where you say “I am down at the end of the bar where are you?â€� Just to build interest?”

      No, every chick knows this is fake, ’cause they and/or their friends do it to guys lol Remember you haven’t actually done anything horrible and low value yet. Don’t pull the chute early and throw out hail mary’s when you’re probably going to hear from her next time she’s coming up. She may reply tomorrow saying “hey sorry work was crazy, looking forward to seeing you again!” Just chill out and ping in a couple weeks or when you know she’ll be coming up again.

      “Finally I knew this chick was really into me at the time. It got really hot and heavy in the room. Plus she was future projecting and making plans, and qualifying to me a lot. She told me how different I was. Threw a few shit tests which I passed. But I guess she could have gone cold by now.”

      This is what I mean when I talk about guys thinking “she was really into me that night, so when I txt her or we meet up for a Day 2, how come she’s ice cold??? I should be able to just pick up where I left off!” You’re often starting over from scratch after that first night…that’s why the Same Night Lay is a good idea, because in that moment you’re amazing to her so if you can pull off the bang then she’ll probably be locked down as a fuckbuddy. But if you don’t pull it off you have to deal with this kind of thing where she’s “reset” emotionally or even in a BAD emotional state and you have a lot of uphill work to redo.

      Again, I’ll stress that she hasn’t done anything horrible. She hasn’t given you shitty answers or told you to fuck off or anything. She just hasn’t replied yet. Maybe she opened her phone and intended to reply but had to take a shit and forgot she had a message to reply to, maybe she dropped her phone in a lake, etc. Lots of possible explanations, don’t freak out yet.

      Just chill and ping in a couple weeks. She may even ping you next week. If she’s the logical/all-business type she may see no reason to ping you till she’s closer to a trip there because she doesn’t want to start a relationship up just have fun. Maybe she met another dude and she’s seeing how that goes right now but she’ll be down to bone and focus on you when she comes up. Again lots of possibilities that aren’t “it’s over”.

      We’re guys, we want certainty. We want to know 4 weeks before she comes up that we’ll be hanging out. But girls run on emotion in the moment. You could txt her the night her airplane lands and if you make her feel good emotions she’ll meet up if you make her feel bad emotions she’ll avoid it. Don’t stress yet.

      She MIGHT have lost interest or her situation may have changed in a way where you’re no longer a good idea for her to hook up with, but 1) there’s not enough stone-cold evidence of that (not enough to give up), and 2) you had her attracted before so even if her situ has changed and you can’t get her stoked right now, in a few weeks when she’s on an airplane landing in your city, a few solid texts could re-stoke that attraction and you’re in. Women live in the moment, how she feels now could be a total 180 from how she felt 10 minutes ago before she listened to a happy song or a sad scene in a movie came on, and 10 minutes later she’ll be in a different emotional state lol

      “I will try to get her out and not worry about if she does not. I have three other plates spinning now. And I am approaching more in the daytime.so things are getting more solid.”

      Good on ya, glad things are still going well. When I get older I’m planning to switch more to day-game. Cool charming older guy at the grocery store is probably a more exciting story to tell her friends than drunk old bar-fly on a stool lol



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on November 12, 2014 at 7:29 pm
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“You’re fat, take what you can get.”

Or no reply at all, she’ll bring it up again in person if you don’t bite and you can do more in person than over text.

Her BF probably isn’t cheating, she just wants to cheat and needs to justify it. Most “abusive” and “cheating” husbands aren’t actually that, the girl would just have to admit she’s acting slutty if she fucked around on a good guy.


  • YaReally
    on November 12, 2014 at 7:39 pm
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    No emoticons with the fat text btw. And don’t use it in any other situation but the OPs specific one. There are like 6+ game principles packed into those 7 little words, but it’s not a universal response for other similar situations.

    Also she won’t break up with her dude so don’t expect that. Keep shit discreet and get a bang or two and she’ll probably act like it never happened from there…but who cares? lol


  • Culum Struan
    on November 12, 2014 at 8:24 pm
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    @YaReally – I don’t understand. What does that signify? Is this really the point at which to neg her?


    • YaReally
      on November 12, 2014 at 10:20 pm
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      @Culum
      If she’s texting him about her boyfriend troubles then they’re close enough that he has her number and she’s comfortable enough with him to text something personal like that VS keeping texts to strictly business or non-personal idle chat. So she’s probably into him.

      She’s txting for attention and we just learned the last week not to give attention whores the attention they want, so this is probably a trap to see if he’ll bite VS an actual opening to meet up.

      She’s hot because she’s a personal trainer, and they have a close enough relationship that she txts about her boyfriend (attraction) so he should be able to get away with a neg about her being fat because clearly she’s not.

      Here are the game concepts packed into this text off the top of my head (a handful of these are just a natural combination of things that result from using a neg, I’m just detailing them for guys to learn from):

      1) Don’t give attention whores attention. This txt avoids asking for details or getting into a discussion. Same way you handle “I think I have ebola” or “I’m mad at you…” Total disregarding of the topic.

      2) Hot girls can handle negs. Presumably as a personal trainer she’s a hottie, and guys don’t neg her, so he’ll stand out as unimpressed by her looks.

      3) Neg about something obviously false or that she can change. If you neg her about her face or teeth, she can’t change those things. If you neg her about her choice in shirt, she can wear a different shirt. Presumably as a personal trainer she’s not fat and is in fact the exact opposite and proud of it, so calling her fat is CLEARLY teasing her. This is the one that made me put the “don’t try this on any other girl” disclaimer lol I saw other guys writing “I’m in a similar situ, there’s this quiet shy girl at work who told me her BF is cheating” and it’s like, calling THAT girl fat will destroy her. A personal trainer can take it. Try flirting with a 9 at the bar and pinching her belly and saying “look at all this fat, you’re disgusting, no more beer for you”. She’ll lol her face off. A 6 will punch you because she knows its true. A 7 or 8 will probably cry because she’s insecure underneath her attempted hotness. lol A legit hottie who did her pilates and situps that morning is secure about it.

      4) Never insult the boyfriend, ALWAYS talk good about him. First rule of Tyler’s dead-on AMOG article. This text is telling her to stick with him instead of trying to vulture her away from him or talk shit about him. Something like “aww that sucks, he sounds like a jerk” usually causes her to defend him. If I say your girlfriend is perfect, you’ll instinctively shit on her and tell me “no man, she SEEMS perfect but behind closed door she–” If I say your girlfriend is a piece of shit, you’ll instinctively defend her and tell me “no man, she’s pretty amazing, trust me, you just don’t know her”. Same shit in reverse with girls. By telling her she should be with him, she’ll instinctively push away from him.

      5) Outcome independence. You’re telling her to go be with him instead of you, so you’re showing you give no fucks about her, which is extra bait for a hot girl who’s used to guys fawning over her (again I’m assuming this isn’t some mousey shy personal trainer, but a hot outgoing one that all her clients drool over).

      6) Not apologizing for or taking back or softening what you say. No emoticons or lols. Saying “You’re fat, take what you can get. :)” sounds like an actual insult. Saying “You’re fat, take what you can get lol” sounds like an actual insult. It basically makes you sound unsure of whether your comment will offend her or not, which will make it offend her. With no emoticon, it’s sort of SO offensive that it HAS to be a joke. “I work in a baby grinding factory. :)” sounds weirdly proud of it. “I work in a baby grinding factory.” comes off as a deadpan joke.

      7) Self-amusement. Related to number 6, deadpanning it instead of cushioning it with smileys and lols turns it into self-amusement because you seemingly don’t care if she gets that it’s a joke or is offended etc. you’re just making yourself lol

      8) Leading/commanding. It’s stated as an order not a wishy-washy “maybe you should take what you can get? lol” thing. It’s just blunt and in-her-face like a challenge which she’ll love if she’s hot.

      9) Breaking her frame. It knocks her completely out of her frame because no guy has ever said that to her before, as a joke or otherwise, because guys all walk on eggshells around her trying not to offend her in hopes of getting in her pants.

      10) Give her the full range of emotions. Julien’s favorite concept (lol). Don’t just give a girl good feelings, give her good and bad feelings. No soap opera is about happy people always succeeding and smiling. There’s always conflict and drama that gets resolved in the end. The best movies take you on an emotional rollercoaster. This will give her a moment of “!!! Gasp!! OMG you’re are SUCH an asshole!!”

      11) Disqualifying her (baiting her to qualify to you). You’re calling her fat and pushing her away, which could potentially result in her qualifying herself to you with something like sending a pic of her abs and trying to talk shit, which should be easy to turn into her sending you sexy pics and setting a sexual frame to escalate to a lay pretty effortlessly.

      12) Instigates a shit-test. Passing a girl’s shit-test builds attraction, that’s a universal law. Saying offensive stuff prods her to shit-test you in return, which gives you a chance to pass that shit-test and spike attraction faster. A big part of my game is based around saying offensive shit and instigating shit-tests from girls, then passing them (because I know they’re coming and know how to pass them with stuff like Agree & Amplify and Cocky/Funny etc.) and instigating more shit-tests and passing those and boom, she wants to fuck me. It’s 1000x easier to built fast sexual attraction with a cocky girl who shit-tests me a bunch than it is with a shy quiet meek girl who doesn’t really test.

      The “artist” part of “pickup artist” comes from layering concepts, not just pounding out crude one-at-a-time pieces. People make fun of Mystery, but his in-field footage is full of him layering a ton of techniques and threads over eachother. If you know the old-school routines from back then and have watched his Mystery Method DVDs on YouTube where he talks about open threads and shit, you can tell what he’s doing and everything he does layers like a painter stroking various colors to form a shape. It’s interesting to understand and break down.

      Part of why my text game is tight is that I don’t just throw out pointless “filler” texts to keep a conversation going for the sake of keeping it going, it’s always leading somewhere (like toward a meet-up) or setting specific frames (sexual or otherwise). And I don’t use just one or two concepts, like look I did a neg! It’ll be a neg, combined with self-depreciation, combined with sexual innuendo, combined with future-projection of us having sex, with some call-back humor that brings us back into comfort tagged onto the end.

      A lot of guys’ texting isn’t BAD, it’s just inefficient as fuck and goes nowhere and gets to the lay a lot slower than it could have if they were more strategic.

      This isn’t a magic text. I don’t know the guy and I don’t know her and I don’t know what’s congruent to his personality or her view of him…she may take it wrong and get offended and hate the guy as soon as she reads it. But that’s why you don’t shit where you eat lol


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 8:24 am
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      @culum
      “But I understand now – it’s basically a really powerful neg because she is (we assume) really hot and can take it. I don’t think I’d be comfortable doing it to a girl – maybe I just haven’t gamed enough (hardly any) 9s to get a feel for what they can handle.”

      Ya it’s purely based on my assumption that to be a personal trainer with a boyfriend she’s probably hot and social and is used to male attention. That’s why I say no one else should use it tho. You don’t need to neg the sweet 7 at the local pub. Negs were intended for stripper level egos where the girls can handle it and interpret it as just teasing by a guy who must be used to girls at least as hot as her. It’s not even supposed to tear her down, it’s just to show her that you aren’t fazed by her beauty.

      “Point 6 – not softening what you say to make yourself unsure – I’ve been doing that instinctively for a while but interesting to hear it articulated.”

      Ya I used to do it a lot. The irony is if you do something offensive unapologetically and own it, ppl will usually forgive it. The second YOU show hesitstion or second guessing, other ppl pick up on that and the thing that wouldn’t have offended them suddenly offends them. Like the animal thing where an animal doesn’t know if you’re prey until you run away and your running away triggers it seeing you as prey when you might’ve been just fine if you had chilled. Russell Brand owns his shit so he can say anything and ppl go “oh Russell lololz”. But Bob from accounting saying the same thing hesitantly would be “omg that’s so rude I’m reporting you to HR!!”

      “So presumably the response you’re likely to provoke is some kind of shock, followed by some anger and indignation, followed by..what? Some kind of attempt to “prove” her hotness to you and chase you?”

      You got it. You COULD just reply with some cool lower-key stuff like talking about relationships and shit and try the comfort route. But if you can instigate an emotional reaction causing a shit-test and pass that shit-test (if you fail it you’re super fucked), it’s like finding the wrap zone pipe in Mario and skipping a few levels.


  • burke
    on November 13, 2014 at 12:36 am
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    “Her BF probably isn’t cheating” – true and just a note, girls will go so far as to make themselves really believe he is possibly cheating, or that his dissatisfaction is actual abuse, or whatever she needs to believe in order to not feel like a slut. It’s amazing to watch.

    also re: always-talking-good-about-the-bf below, that is great stuff and i feel like maybe i’d read it somewhere and known it but i know i haven’t practiced it. so thanks.

    last, because all i have to add is grammar as opposed to actual tools to get laid, and in case it wasn’t a typo it should be ‘deprecation’ not ‘depreciation’ below.


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 8:13 am
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      @burke
      Ya it’s Tyler’s “boyfriend destroyer” stuff. That shit is gold, can’t count the number of times I’ve used it successfully. Google it and memorize it, it’s lethal.



What To Do When A Girl Signals She’s Back On The Market

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YaReally
on November 12, 2014 at 7:29 pm
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“You’re fat, take what you can get.”

Or no reply at all, she’ll bring it up again in person if you don’t bite and you can do more in person than over text.

Her BF probably isn’t cheating, she just wants to cheat and needs to justify it. Most “abusive” and “cheating” husbands aren’t actually that, the girl would just have to admit she’s acting slutty if she fucked around on a good guy.


  • YaReally
    on November 12, 2014 at 7:39 pm
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    No emoticons with the fat text btw. And don’t use it in any other situation but the OPs specific one. There are like 6+ game principles packed into those 7 little words, but it’s not a universal response for other similar situations.

    Also she won’t break up with her dude so don’t expect that. Keep shit discreet and get a bang or two and she’ll probably act like it never happened from there…but who cares? lol


  • Culum Struan
    on November 12, 2014 at 8:24 pm
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    @YaReally – I don’t understand. What does that signify? Is this really the point at which to neg her?


    • YaReally
      on November 12, 2014 at 10:20 pm
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      @Culum
      If she’s texting him about her boyfriend troubles then they’re close enough that he has her number and she’s comfortable enough with him to text something personal like that VS keeping texts to strictly business or non-personal idle chat. So she’s probably into him.

      She’s txting for attention and we just learned the last week not to give attention whores the attention they want, so this is probably a trap to see if he’ll bite VS an actual opening to meet up.

      She’s hot because she’s a personal trainer, and they have a close enough relationship that she txts about her boyfriend (attraction) so he should be able to get away with a neg about her being fat because clearly she’s not.

      Here are the game concepts packed into this text off the top of my head (a handful of these are just a natural combination of things that result from using a neg, I’m just detailing them for guys to learn from):

      1) Don’t give attention whores attention. This txt avoids asking for details or getting into a discussion. Same way you handle “I think I have ebola” or “I’m mad at you…” Total disregarding of the topic.

      2) Hot girls can handle negs. Presumably as a personal trainer she’s a hottie, and guys don’t neg her, so he’ll stand out as unimpressed by her looks.

      3) Neg about something obviously false or that she can change. If you neg her about her face or teeth, she can’t change those things. If you neg her about her choice in shirt, she can wear a different shirt. Presumably as a personal trainer she’s not fat and is in fact the exact opposite and proud of it, so calling her fat is CLEARLY teasing her. This is the one that made me put the “don’t try this on any other girl” disclaimer lol I saw other guys writing “I’m in a similar situ, there’s this quiet shy girl at work who told me her BF is cheating” and it’s like, calling THAT girl fat will destroy her. A personal trainer can take it. Try flirting with a 9 at the bar and pinching her belly and saying “look at all this fat, you’re disgusting, no more beer for you”. She’ll lol her face off. A 6 will punch you because she knows its true. A 7 or 8 will probably cry because she’s insecure underneath her attempted hotness. lol A legit hottie who did her pilates and situps that morning is secure about it.

      4) Never insult the boyfriend, ALWAYS talk good about him. First rule of Tyler’s dead-on AMOG article. This text is telling her to stick with him instead of trying to vulture her away from him or talk shit about him. Something like “aww that sucks, he sounds like a jerk” usually causes her to defend him. If I say your girlfriend is perfect, you’ll instinctively shit on her and tell me “no man, she SEEMS perfect but behind closed door she–” If I say your girlfriend is a piece of shit, you’ll instinctively defend her and tell me “no man, she’s pretty amazing, trust me, you just don’t know her”. Same shit in reverse with girls. By telling her she should be with him, she’ll instinctively push away from him.

      5) Outcome independence. You’re telling her to go be with him instead of you, so you’re showing you give no fucks about her, which is extra bait for a hot girl who’s used to guys fawning over her (again I’m assuming this isn’t some mousey shy personal trainer, but a hot outgoing one that all her clients drool over).

      6) Not apologizing for or taking back or softening what you say. No emoticons or lols. Saying “You’re fat, take what you can get. :)” sounds like an actual insult. Saying “You’re fat, take what you can get lol” sounds like an actual insult. It basically makes you sound unsure of whether your comment will offend her or not, which will make it offend her. With no emoticon, it’s sort of SO offensive that it HAS to be a joke. “I work in a baby grinding factory. :)” sounds weirdly proud of it. “I work in a baby grinding factory.” comes off as a deadpan joke.

      7) Self-amusement. Related to number 6, deadpanning it instead of cushioning it with smileys and lols turns it into self-amusement because you seemingly don’t care if she gets that it’s a joke or is offended etc. you’re just making yourself lol

      8) Leading/commanding. It’s stated as an order not a wishy-washy “maybe you should take what you can get? lol” thing. It’s just blunt and in-her-face like a challenge which she’ll love if she’s hot.

      9) Breaking her frame. It knocks her completely out of her frame because no guy has ever said that to her before, as a joke or otherwise, because guys all walk on eggshells around her trying not to offend her in hopes of getting in her pants.

      10) Give her the full range of emotions. Julien’s favorite concept (lol). Don’t just give a girl good feelings, give her good and bad feelings. No soap opera is about happy people always succeeding and smiling. There’s always conflict and drama that gets resolved in the end. The best movies take you on an emotional rollercoaster. This will give her a moment of “!!! Gasp!! OMG you’re are SUCH an asshole!!”

      11) Disqualifying her (baiting her to qualify to you). You’re calling her fat and pushing her away, which could potentially result in her qualifying herself to you with something like sending a pic of her abs and trying to talk shit, which should be easy to turn into her sending you sexy pics and setting a sexual frame to escalate to a lay pretty effortlessly.

      12) Instigates a shit-test. Passing a girl’s shit-test builds attraction, that’s a universal law. Saying offensive stuff prods her to shit-test you in return, which gives you a chance to pass that shit-test and spike attraction faster. A big part of my game is based around saying offensive shit and instigating shit-tests from girls, then passing them (because I know they’re coming and know how to pass them with stuff like Agree & Amplify and Cocky/Funny etc.) and instigating more shit-tests and passing those and boom, she wants to fuck me. It’s 1000x easier to built fast sexual attraction with a cocky girl who shit-tests me a bunch than it is with a shy quiet meek girl who doesn’t really test.

      The “artist” part of “pickup artist” comes from layering concepts, not just pounding out crude one-at-a-time pieces. People make fun of Mystery, but his in-field footage is full of him layering a ton of techniques and threads over eachother. If you know the old-school routines from back then and have watched his Mystery Method DVDs on YouTube where he talks about open threads and shit, you can tell what he’s doing and everything he does layers like a painter stroking various colors to form a shape. It’s interesting to understand and break down.

      Part of why my text game is tight is that I don’t just throw out pointless “filler” texts to keep a conversation going for the sake of keeping it going, it’s always leading somewhere (like toward a meet-up) or setting specific frames (sexual or otherwise). And I don’t use just one or two concepts, like look I did a neg! It’ll be a neg, combined with self-depreciation, combined with sexual innuendo, combined with future-projection of us having sex, with some call-back humor that brings us back into comfort tagged onto the end.

      A lot of guys’ texting isn’t BAD, it’s just inefficient as fuck and goes nowhere and gets to the lay a lot slower than it could have if they were more strategic.

      This isn’t a magic text. I don’t know the guy and I don’t know her and I don’t know what’s congruent to his personality or her view of him…she may take it wrong and get offended and hate the guy as soon as she reads it. But that’s why you don’t shit where you eat lol


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 8:24 am
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      @culum
      “But I understand now – it’s basically a really powerful neg because she is (we assume) really hot and can take it. I don’t think I’d be comfortable doing it to a girl – maybe I just haven’t gamed enough (hardly any) 9s to get a feel for what they can handle.”

      Ya it’s purely based on my assumption that to be a personal trainer with a boyfriend she’s probably hot and social and is used to male attention. That’s why I say no one else should use it tho. You don’t need to neg the sweet 7 at the local pub. Negs were intended for stripper level egos where the girls can handle it and interpret it as just teasing by a guy who must be used to girls at least as hot as her. It’s not even supposed to tear her down, it’s just to show her that you aren’t fazed by her beauty.

      “Point 6 – not softening what you say to make yourself unsure – I’ve been doing that instinctively for a while but interesting to hear it articulated.”

      Ya I used to do it a lot. The irony is if you do something offensive unapologetically and own it, ppl will usually forgive it. The second YOU show hesitstion or second guessing, other ppl pick up on that and the thing that wouldn’t have offended them suddenly offends them. Like the animal thing where an animal doesn’t know if you’re prey until you run away and your running away triggers it seeing you as prey when you might’ve been just fine if you had chilled. Russell Brand owns his shit so he can say anything and ppl go “oh Russell lololz”. But Bob from accounting saying the same thing hesitantly would be “omg that’s so rude I’m reporting you to HR!!”

      “So presumably the response you’re likely to provoke is some kind of shock, followed by some anger and indignation, followed by..what? Some kind of attempt to “prove” her hotness to you and chase you?”

      You got it. You COULD just reply with some cool lower-key stuff like talking about relationships and shit and try the comfort route. But if you can instigate an emotional reaction causing a shit-test and pass that shit-test (if you fail it you’re super fucked), it’s like finding the wrap zone pipe in Mario and skipping a few levels.


  • burke
    on November 13, 2014 at 12:36 am
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    “Her BF probably isn’t cheating” – true and just a note, girls will go so far as to make themselves really believe he is possibly cheating, or that his dissatisfaction is actual abuse, or whatever she needs to believe in order to not feel like a slut. It’s amazing to watch.

    also re: always-talking-good-about-the-bf below, that is great stuff and i feel like maybe i’d read it somewhere and known it but i know i haven’t practiced it. so thanks.

    last, because all i have to add is grammar as opposed to actual tools to get laid, and in case it wasn’t a typo it should be ‘deprecation’ not ‘depreciation’ below.


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 8:13 am
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      @burke
      Ya it’s Tyler’s “boyfriend destroyer” stuff. That shit is gold, can’t count the number of times I’ve used it successfully. Google it and memorize it, it’s lethal.



What To Do When A Girl Signals She’s Back On The Market

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Confused
on November 12, 2014 at 11:58 pm
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Shit test question for you guys:

Situation: Met girl on Okcupid. She’s 22, killer body, decent face. I’m 30, am pretty good looking, and have decent game most of the time. I’ve been kind of blowing her off for a week or so (been busy, no date openings), and she’s been somewhat flaky when I did engage her. Early on she also said she is only looking for friends, which I was cool with if she meant it (can always use more 22 yo female friends), but I kept the charm up on high and decided to slow play her a bit.

She initiated tonight with a big compliment. Toward the end of our conversation, this happened:

Her 9:41pm: Do you know how to fix my internet?
Me 10:06pm: Probably
Her 10:09pm: I fixed it myself.
Her 10:09pm: #idontneednoman
Me 10:19pm: Plugged it back in?
Me 10:22pm: I don’t like like (sic) having Internet friends. It’s weird. Let’s commence our actual friendship on Sunday afternoon?
Her 10:23pm: I get Sunday afternoon?
Her 10:23pm: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?
Me 10:31pm: well I was shooting for 25 but it’s looking more like 24.

*crickets*

What should I have said here? I actually am busy all weekend or I’d probably have given her a better spot. Did want it to go stale. Seems like she was DTF though? This is easily the biggest shit test I’ve ever gotten.


  • YaReally
    on November 13, 2014 at 7:58 am
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    Don’t text. She’s seeing if you’ll second guess yourself and apologize. You might not hear from her till Saturday night or Sunday afternoon. I don’t think she’ll meet up yet, I think she’ll try to get you to chase her, but it’s hard to say without seeing the rest of the conversation before this.

    “Her 10:23pm: I get Sunday afternoon?
    Her 10:23pm: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?”

    “I save the best for last. 2pm late enough to recover from your hangover?”

    I’d play it with a non-serious answer that’s not denying anything and has a bit of a compliment in it because she sounds like the type that bites off more than she can chew with sexual flirting. ie – hard innuendo because she’s feisty, but lots of ASD because she’s young and probably not that experienced (BECAUSE she’s feisty…usually those girls scare off a lot of guys or guys bomb their shittests and they lose interest so often they don’t have that high a partner count). The “just looking for friends” disqualifier kind of lets her make more innuendo safely because she can drop jokes about fucking people then when a guy thinks “sweet! Easy lay!!” she can go “hey I said just friends.”

    Also I add a push to meet up (always be moving things forward toward a goal in your txting). A lot of guys get lost in the back and forth and forget to move forward. So they’ll text their witty reply but then the ball is in her court to move things forward because he was so happy he had a witty response that he let shit dangle after and she’s not gonna say “lol ok Sunday it is”. Like I’ll do this kind of stuff:

    “Sunday work for you?”
    “I don’t even know you yet”
    “No shit that’s what Sunday is for. 2pm or 8pm?”
    “Lol I never said yes”
    “I read between the lines. Brunch Place, so I can make sure you’re not 500lbs or a dude with a unibrow.”
    “Oh that’s exactly what I am”
    “That’s alright, my standards drop when I’m hammered. 2pm or 8pm?”

    Like, I don’t even expect her to actually meet up. But I’m making my intent known and going to force her to say yes or no by pushing things forward relentlessly as I disarm her objections and shit-tests.

    Even if she ends up saying no or flakes, I’ve still set myself above the rest of the guys by showing intent. And if I handle the no/flake smoothly like no fucks given then she’s more likely to take me up on my next offer.

    With this type it can be a battle to actually meet up but if you get her to meet up and can pass her shit-tests in person it shouldn’t be a difficult lay from there, she’ll probably do a lot of the work. It’s getting past this part that’s annoying because it can take a while…you basically need to pass enough of her shit-tests that SHE chooses YOU (for actual meetups not the flakey bait she’ll throw out to see I you chase).

    There’s a decent chance if you don’t txt at all she’ll txt you fri or sat night during party hours telling you to come to the bar she’s at that’s she’s horny etc. That’s a trap, don’t reply at all till morning.

    Hipster/indie chicks do this shit a lot because they all think they’re super clever lol I find it annoying, I’ve had situs where this takes me weeks or MONTHS of txting before she finally decides I’m legit and switches gears. I pursue it for the practice but I write them off in my mind as slow-track girls and don’t expect to meet up anytime soon. I even flake on them sometimes if they have a lot of attitude. The funniest is when we both flake because she had no intention of actually keeping our plans and neither did I lol

    Once she’s hooked, if you pass enough tests, and then you pull back and be aloof, she’ll either chase pretty hard because not a lot of guys pass her tests or she’ll be so full of herself that she Next’s you in her mind and stops contacting you. Like I find it’ll be one extreme or the other, nothing in-between like a normal “sweet” girl.


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 8:10 am
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      Also I’m sure I don’t have to say it but she doesn’t just want friends, she wants a guy to fuck. She just wants a quality guy that can pass all her shit-testing and intrigue her, the friends only thing weeds out a bunch of lame guys who will take themselves out of the running by not being sexual and escalating in person when the time is right.

      One thing I’d stick to with this one is be sexual not not about HER specifically. Like the “best for last” shows intent but after that she knows my intent so I would still make sexual innuendo and jokes and tell sexual stories or self-depreciate sexually, but not directly imply her and I will fuck. Think of it like being bait and wiggling around in front of her trying to get her intrigued enough to bite. Being comfortable with sexuality makes you stand out but being too direct can trigger ASD. No idea if this makes sense I’ve been up all night lol

      Best way I could summarize how to handle what it sounds like her type is: she’ll dangle bait (metaphorically) in front of you to try to get you to grab at it and yank it away if you do…but if you stay indirectly sexual and pass her shit-tests instead of grabbing at the bait, she’ll hit a personal point where you’ve passed her tests and YOU become the bait that SHE grabs at…and even then if you’re too easy to grab it goes back to square one.


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 6:18 pm
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      @walawala
      “That’s the shit you’re talking about.”

      Ya. Similar trap I ran into recently: Chick I’m banging tells me she’ll be drinking in my area so I tell her cool and she says I need to come kidnap her from her friends and fuck her brains out. I’m in work mode right now so I was like eh fuck it why not and told her sure and tried to set it up. INSTANTLY she replies with “lol oh I can’t I have to stay with my friends. I just assumed you’d already have plans that night”

      Like she didn’t expect me to actually jump at the bait and the offer wasn’t real to begin with. Brain-fart on my end from working too much lately. I actually had to aloof it up for a few days after that to balance out jumping for that stupid bait lol

      @Tilikum
      “All due respect…..I strongly disagree:”

      Ya, that’s the trap. It’s supposed to look like a legit invite so you jump at it.

      I actually agree with you…IF she was, say, a sweeter girl instead of a feisty shit-testing one. And if she was like, 25+, definitely if she was 30+. Or if she was kind of ugly etc. Or if their age range was closer.

      But because she’s a super-feisty 22yo who’s hot and who’s used to 30yo guys falling over themselves to chase her around, she’s going to lay a bunch of traps to test him first.

      Like, I’m all about jumping through the window of opportunity when it’s there, but calibrating to this specific girl and her specific personality-type and their specific situation, a fri/sat night text is probably going to be a “let’s see if I can get him to chase me around to see what kind of man he is” trap…which you can test for by telling her to meet you in a different bar from the one she’s at (if she actually wants to bone, she’ll meet you there), but odds are usually that it’s a trap.

      I’ve known girls who literally send mass texts out to all the guys on their phone to come meet them at X place with the intent of just letting them all fight it out over her and validate her and weed out the winner for the night. Sometimes they’ll do this with no intention of banging you just to impress their girlfriends and they’ll do it either secretly like “omg all these guys just happened to be here tonight look how popular I am and they’re buying me drinks and fighting over me! I guess I’m the most desirable girl in this group!” or they’ll do it openly with their girlfriends also doing it like “we’re bored and don’t want to pay for our own drinks, let’s text some guys and see who shows up”.

      Again this isn’t something that like, a pleasant personality average looking 30yo chick is likely to do…but a 22yo in her prime with a feisty personality, she’ll run guys through the wringer till she’s certain they are who she hopes they are.

      This doesn’t even conflict with what you’re saying (emphasis mine):

      “If you set your frame right and **SHE BELIEVES IT**, the coy shit ceases quickly IMO.”

      This type of girl needs a guy to pass a bunch of tests before she believes it. A sweeter less-feisty girl or a girl who has less value won’t need him to pass as many tests before she believes it. So I agree with you, it’s just that she’s basically a lot more skeptical about his frame/congruence/value than other girls might be is all.

      The way she adamantly determines who he is and COMES to “believe it”, is by throwing shit-tests at him to see how he’ll react. And once he’s passed those, she flips and “the coy shit ceases quickly” because she starts chasing him which is why I say once she’s hooked (from him passing these tests) he shouldn’t have a problem getting the actual lay.

      To me I’d rather pass up one invite the first weekend we’ve been talking to establish longer-term value in her mind (maybe she’s not that high value to me, maybe I had another girl that night, maybe I have other things on my plate, maybe I’m not that into her and she needs to impress me more, maybe I’m just not a guy who up-ends my life for pussy, etc.), than jump at the bait and risk blowing my value down the shitter because I was horny. Like I’ll get the lay either way, but one way carries a lot less potential risk of blowing myself out than the other way is all.

      Once she’s hooked and chasing, dropping the games is fine. Just meet up and bang her lol This is purely to reach the hook point with her personality type.


  • Confused
    on November 13, 2014 at 11:54 am
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    This was really helpful. I’ve never been shit tested that hard. Honestly, I don’t really get shit tested all that much. I’ve been thinking this means I need to up my quality or something.

    She did eventually reply, she said “Meeeeg” whatever that means, so I think it’s still on. I don’t really care, but I’ll milk it for the practice and see what happens.

    I opened this girl by giving her a hard time for being a feminist, if that gives you an idea of the tone of our interaction. She qualified herself really hard right from the beginning.

    When she said she was looking for friends I said this:

    Me: Yeah that’s cool I’ve been looking for more female friends. I can never seem to make it into the friend zone.

    Her: Hahaha that’s hilarious. I would love to have more friends who were content with being just friends.

    Me: Oh yeah, I guess that’s probably unusual. The grass is always greener. Anyway, let’s meet X at Y?

    I’m really fascinated by what it takes for a woman to be this obnoxious so I’m trying to deconstruct the whole thing. I usually attract really good natured girls who would never overtly talk about sex first, but like I said, I’m trying to broaden my reach.


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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      “This was really helpful. I’ve never been shit tested that hard. Honestly, I don’t really get shit tested all that much. I’ve been thinking this means I need to up my quality or something.”

      lol this is barely even a shit-test to me. This is just playful flirting. This kind of thing is part of why I don’t really worry about my fuckbuddies/GFs (the feisty ones, which tend to be my type) hooking up with a bunch of other dudes…you’re a guy STUDYING pickup and this totally threw you. Girls like this tend to be bored by guys who can’t keep up with their humor, and are extremely attracted to guys who can. That’s why you get the two extreme ends of the spectrum where they either vanish completely or chase you, once you pass a certain point.

      “She did eventually reply, she said “Meeeeg” whatever that means, so I think it’s still on.”

      Ya, it’s a ping txt. So she’s into you. If you had followed your txt up with a bunch of “sorry, that’s just my sense of humor sometimes” or something, like second-guessing yourself, you probably wouldn’t have gotten this txt. By not following up, your response may not have been the BEST, but you didn’t make it WORSE. And it was at least sexual etc. So like, you probably didn’t really go UP in value much, but you didn’t go DOWN in value…which should cause her to just test you more.

      Think of it like this type of girl wants a guy who can go back and forth with her in terms of sexual humor and kind of giving eachother some hassle…but she wants a guy who’s consistently and congruently THAT. Most guys will be weeded out by her initial tests, but of the ones who pass it she’ll test more and more to figure out which ones landed a lucky comeback and which ones are congruently “THAT guy”.

      Once she’s satisfied she’s found one of “THOSE guys”, she’ll help make shit happen because she knows that’s rare and she had to weed out so many lame guys to find it. Unfortunately this can take a while (tons of testing and texting before she’ll meet up) and she can often not be worth all the effort/wait despite what a prize she thinks she is in her head lol So just make sure you have other shit on the go…once she’s flipped that switch and decided she wants to meet up though, like I say, you shouldn’t have any problems in person because you’re no longer convincing her, she’s convinced herself.

      If I was you I wouldn’t reply at all till after Sunday. You’ve pitched a meetup. You told her you don’t want to be her text buddy. You have other shit on the go. 99% of guys would reply to her “Meeeeeeg” txt and lol at it or ask what it means etc. By not responding at all you’re basically setting the frame of “if you want me to reply then get with the program, I’m not going to be your txt buddy reacting to everything you send to give you attention/validation”.

      ‘Cause that’s the OTHER side of the trap, is that to test you she’ll want to do a bunch of texting and shit…but the texting is validation for her, so she ends up getting her validation fix from you through the texts you’re sending when you’re trying to pass her shit-tests to get her to come meet up so you don’t have to text…confused yet? lol

      That’s why this can become kind of a clusterfuck and I put these girls on the slow-track in my mind. It’s like the sword that they give you to defeat the dragon actually takes away your health so ya you can kill the dragon with it but you can also end up in a situ where that very sword kills you first.

      Often with these ones I’ll pass a bunch of shit-tests and give them my txt validation for a week or two, and then pitch a meetup and just go 100% radio silent until they accept. Like I pass enough tests that they know “ok this guy could be one of “THOSE guys” I’m looking for…”, but then I stop playing along with their shit and pitch a meetup and don’t engage anymore of their shit that isn’t “ok I’m free Sunday”. It’s like saying “look, I know I’ve passed your tests and I know I want to meet up. If you want to meet up, cool, if you don’t then find some other guy to keep giving you this validation”. If you do that AFTER you’ve passed that hook point where they’ve decided you’re probably one of the rare “THOSE guys” types, often she’ll balk at meeting up and then try to get you to validate her like with the “Meeeeeg” ping text, and when she sees you’ve stopped biting, in her head she thinks “aw he’s not playing along anymore. :( he wants me to meet up…I don’t know if I’m ready for that, I was enjoying our little validating text sessions. But I’d rather meet up and have him than lose him because I think he’s one of “THOSE guys”…ok fine, I’ll txt him that I’m free Sunday”.

      Like, it’s kind of giving her an ultimatum but all sub-communicated. You’re not mad or frustrated, you just don’t see a reason to further engage if she doesn’t want to meet up because your time is valuable and you know your worth. Sometimes you’ll get 2 or 3 weeks of silence, maybe even a month or two depending on the girl, after that before she finally breaks and txts to meet up (I figure this is because she tries talking to some other dudes instead, who may be better looking etc. than you, but she gets bored by all of them because they flinch at her tests, so then a few weeks later she’s like “aghhh I miss THAT guy, he was more interesting than these chodes”).

      That’s why when they’ve decided you’ve passed their tests, they chase hard (esp if you start pulling away), because they’ve compared you to other guys and have decided “ok no, this is the one I want right now. Gimme!!”

      This is easily the most complicated personality type to game and while I still try just for the experience/practice, I legitimately view gaming this type as a big annoying chore lol I love the back and forth shit-testing eachother stuff, but these girls are such a juggling act to avoid being stuck in text-buddies limbo while keeping their interest that in my head I’m just like “ehhh, your pussy doesn’t shoot out magic rainbows, this isn’t really worth it to me” lol I’ve also found that a lot of times these girls in person are kind of like the female equivalent of a douche, and aren’t even that great in bed (high ego can prevent them from thinking they have to contribute more than being witty outside of the bedroom and having a pussy).

      Anyway, her ping text means she’s interested. But I wouldn’t respond till after Sunday, to teach her that when you offer a meet-up, she should accept it because she won’t get your validation otherwise. You meet on your terms, not hers.

      “Me: Yeah that’s cool I’ve been looking for more female friends. I can never seem to make it into the friend zone.”

      hah that’s not bad. I might steal that.

      “Me: Oh yeah, I guess that’s probably unusual. The grass is always greener. Anyway, let’s meet X at Y?”

      Solid, in that you aren’t engaging her shit, you’re just like “huh oh ya, I guess. So anyway let’s meet up” which is pushing things forward like I recommend. Again even if she doesn’t meet up, it’s fine…you’re just showing your intent.

      “I’m really fascinated by what it takes for a woman to be this obnoxious”

      The thing is, she’s really not that obnoxious…she’s just got very specific standards and needs a specific type of guy to pass those standards for her to be interested/attracted to him. It’s her instinctual defence mechanism for weeding out guys that she would ultimately be disappointed in or bored by to avoid wasting her prime child-bearing years and all that.

      Think of it like having “no fat chicks” in your profile lol It’s just her equivalent way of weeding out a huge group of men that she wouldn’t be attracted to in the first place.

      “I usually attract really good natured girls who would never overtly talk about sex first, but like I said, I’m trying to broaden my reach.”

      Ya, most guys go for those girls. Thing is a lot of the time they go for those girls not because they prefer and are fascinated and really engaged by them, but because they have no idea how to handle girls like this. I don’t want to call it going for the low-hanging fruit because those “good natured girls” come with some perks and stuff, they’re still a fun experience…but it’s kind of like sticking to Easy Mode because you want to just enjoy playing the videogame and wouldn’t have fun playing on Hard Mode and Hard Mode may not even reward you with the perks that you like even if you DID destroy it, to make it worth the hassle.

      Like there’s no better or worse, it’s just what you prefer and what’s compatible. It’s fine to not like feisty girls as long as it’s because you actively aren’t attracted to them and that’s a conscious decision, and not because you just get overwhelmed by their shit-tests and don’t have the skillset to handle it. Like if a dude wants to settle down with a fat chick, I mean, to each his own, he’s free to do what he wants…but there’s a difference between him settling down with a fat chick because he really likes her and doesn’t mind the weight and she has a bunch of perks and maybe he thinks skinny girls are shallow or whatever VS settling down with a fat chick because he doesn’t know HOW to get a hotter girl or doesn’t feel like he has the skillset or value to get one.

      Anyway, I would do radio silence till she either agrees to meet up Sunday (could happen Sunday afternoon or evening) and then give it a couple more days and then text her. I wouldn’t jump on any fri/sat “I’m at bar blah come see me” because that’ll be a bar where she has massive value and a bunch of orbiters you have to compete with and usually she’ll just ignore you and tell her girls “look how many guys come when I tell them to” lol

      If you get a fri/sat “come meet up with me” text and you feel in your gut that the fri/sat text is her wanting to actually meet up (like she’s like “my friends left and I’m bored”) then I would tell her “meet me at Other Bar in 30 min.” and pick a bar that she has to walk a couple blocks to, so that she has to actively remove herself from the potential trap situation…this helps weed out whether it’s a trap, because if it IS a trap she won’t want to leave the bar she’s at (she may even SAY she’s going to and then when you txt “where are you??” she’ll say “still at Bar, come get me” in which case you just stop texting her completely the rest of the night cause it’s definitely a trap) because that’s where she’s got all her value and orbiters and wants you to walk into that shit-show. But if she’s actually horny and wants to fuck, she’ll meet you at another nearby bar.

      For what it’s worth I think you can get this chick. She’s into you because she’s doing ping texts. You just have to play it smart and not fall for her tricks.

      Let us know what happens lol


    • YaReally
      on November 14, 2014 at 12:57 am
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      @Confused
      If you don’t hear from her and do have to re-engage next week, don’t mention her flaking or your previous offer or anything like some guys will want to go “you missed out it was a crazy night ;)” but just don’t. Not with a 22yo who’s attractive. You give no fucks, you had other shit going on that was way more interesting than her and you barely remember even inviting her. You’ll invite her out again, but you give no fucks if she accepts your offer or not.

      Sometimes with those girls they’ll txt on like Sunday morning if our plans were for Sunday afternoon and if I feel like she needs some punishment, I’ll tell her “sorry too slow, made other plans lol we’ll hang out next week” like not butthurt at all, just like if you don’t jump on my invites then I’ll find other people to fill them and I won’t cancel on those people for you sorry, next time don’t fuck around when I allow you the opportunity to hang out with me.

      And if I think she REALLY needs punishment then even tho I say “we’ll hang out next week” I just don’t offer her another chance to hang out for a few weeks, to let her get frustrated with the whole situation lol so that when I DO invite her out, she jumps at the chance and is scared to fuck it up and go through all that again.

      But that shit takes patience and it’s not a one size fits all thing. I don’t think this girl has done anything to warrant that much punishment, I’m just throwing it out there for guys in similar situs or for future girls who DO dick around and not value you and make you go “ok I need this girl to understand that she needs to get with the program”.



What To Do When A Girl Signals She’s Back On The Market

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Confused
on November 12, 2014 at 11:58 pm
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Shit test question for you guys:

Situation: Met girl on Okcupid. She’s 22, killer body, decent face. I’m 30, am pretty good looking, and have decent game most of the time. I’ve been kind of blowing her off for a week or so (been busy, no date openings), and she’s been somewhat flaky when I did engage her. Early on she also said she is only looking for friends, which I was cool with if she meant it (can always use more 22 yo female friends), but I kept the charm up on high and decided to slow play her a bit.

She initiated tonight with a big compliment. Toward the end of our conversation, this happened:

Her 9:41pm: Do you know how to fix my internet?
Me 10:06pm: Probably
Her 10:09pm: I fixed it myself.
Her 10:09pm: #idontneednoman
Me 10:19pm: Plugged it back in?
Me 10:22pm: I don’t like like (sic) having Internet friends. It’s weird. Let’s commence our actual friendship on Sunday afternoon?
Her 10:23pm: I get Sunday afternoon?
Her 10:23pm: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?
Me 10:31pm: well I was shooting for 25 but it’s looking more like 24.

*crickets*

What should I have said here? I actually am busy all weekend or I’d probably have given her a better spot. Did want it to go stale. Seems like she was DTF though? This is easily the biggest shit test I’ve ever gotten.


  • YaReally
    on November 13, 2014 at 7:58 am
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    Don’t text. She’s seeing if you’ll second guess yourself and apologize. You might not hear from her till Saturday night or Sunday afternoon. I don’t think she’ll meet up yet, I think she’ll try to get you to chase her, but it’s hard to say without seeing the rest of the conversation before this.

    “Her 10:23pm: I get Sunday afternoon?
    Her 10:23pm: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?”

    “I save the best for last. 2pm late enough to recover from your hangover?”

    I’d play it with a non-serious answer that’s not denying anything and has a bit of a compliment in it because she sounds like the type that bites off more than she can chew with sexual flirting. ie – hard innuendo because she’s feisty, but lots of ASD because she’s young and probably not that experienced (BECAUSE she’s feisty…usually those girls scare off a lot of guys or guys bomb their shittests and they lose interest so often they don’t have that high a partner count). The “just looking for friends” disqualifier kind of lets her make more innuendo safely because she can drop jokes about fucking people then when a guy thinks “sweet! Easy lay!!” she can go “hey I said just friends.”

    Also I add a push to meet up (always be moving things forward toward a goal in your txting). A lot of guys get lost in the back and forth and forget to move forward. So they’ll text their witty reply but then the ball is in her court to move things forward because he was so happy he had a witty response that he let shit dangle after and she’s not gonna say “lol ok Sunday it is”. Like I’ll do this kind of stuff:

    “Sunday work for you?”
    “I don’t even know you yet”
    “No shit that’s what Sunday is for. 2pm or 8pm?”
    “Lol I never said yes”
    “I read between the lines. Brunch Place, so I can make sure you’re not 500lbs or a dude with a unibrow.”
    “Oh that’s exactly what I am”
    “That’s alright, my standards drop when I’m hammered. 2pm or 8pm?”

    Like, I don’t even expect her to actually meet up. But I’m making my intent known and going to force her to say yes or no by pushing things forward relentlessly as I disarm her objections and shit-tests.

    Even if she ends up saying no or flakes, I’ve still set myself above the rest of the guys by showing intent. And if I handle the no/flake smoothly like no fucks given then she’s more likely to take me up on my next offer.

    With this type it can be a battle to actually meet up but if you get her to meet up and can pass her shit-tests in person it shouldn’t be a difficult lay from there, she’ll probably do a lot of the work. It’s getting past this part that’s annoying because it can take a while…you basically need to pass enough of her shit-tests that SHE chooses YOU (for actual meetups not the flakey bait she’ll throw out to see I you chase).

    There’s a decent chance if you don’t txt at all she’ll txt you fri or sat night during party hours telling you to come to the bar she’s at that’s she’s horny etc. That’s a trap, don’t reply at all till morning.

    Hipster/indie chicks do this shit a lot because they all think they’re super clever lol I find it annoying, I’ve had situs where this takes me weeks or MONTHS of txting before she finally decides I’m legit and switches gears. I pursue it for the practice but I write them off in my mind as slow-track girls and don’t expect to meet up anytime soon. I even flake on them sometimes if they have a lot of attitude. The funniest is when we both flake because she had no intention of actually keeping our plans and neither did I lol

    Once she’s hooked, if you pass enough tests, and then you pull back and be aloof, she’ll either chase pretty hard because not a lot of guys pass her tests or she’ll be so full of herself that she Next’s you in her mind and stops contacting you. Like I find it’ll be one extreme or the other, nothing in-between like a normal “sweet” girl.


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 8:10 am
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      Also I’m sure I don’t have to say it but she doesn’t just want friends, she wants a guy to fuck. She just wants a quality guy that can pass all her shit-testing and intrigue her, the friends only thing weeds out a bunch of lame guys who will take themselves out of the running by not being sexual and escalating in person when the time is right.

      One thing I’d stick to with this one is be sexual not not about HER specifically. Like the “best for last” shows intent but after that she knows my intent so I would still make sexual innuendo and jokes and tell sexual stories or self-depreciate sexually, but not directly imply her and I will fuck. Think of it like being bait and wiggling around in front of her trying to get her intrigued enough to bite. Being comfortable with sexuality makes you stand out but being too direct can trigger ASD. No idea if this makes sense I’ve been up all night lol

      Best way I could summarize how to handle what it sounds like her type is: she’ll dangle bait (metaphorically) in front of you to try to get you to grab at it and yank it away if you do…but if you stay indirectly sexual and pass her shit-tests instead of grabbing at the bait, she’ll hit a personal point where you’ve passed her tests and YOU become the bait that SHE grabs at…and even then if you’re too easy to grab it goes back to square one.


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 6:18 pm
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      @walawala
      “That’s the shit you’re talking about.”

      Ya. Similar trap I ran into recently: Chick I’m banging tells me she’ll be drinking in my area so I tell her cool and she says I need to come kidnap her from her friends and fuck her brains out. I’m in work mode right now so I was like eh fuck it why not and told her sure and tried to set it up. INSTANTLY she replies with “lol oh I can’t I have to stay with my friends. I just assumed you’d already have plans that night”

      Like she didn’t expect me to actually jump at the bait and the offer wasn’t real to begin with. Brain-fart on my end from working too much lately. I actually had to aloof it up for a few days after that to balance out jumping for that stupid bait lol

      @Tilikum
      “All due respect…..I strongly disagree:”

      Ya, that’s the trap. It’s supposed to look like a legit invite so you jump at it.

      I actually agree with you…IF she was, say, a sweeter girl instead of a feisty shit-testing one. And if she was like, 25+, definitely if she was 30+. Or if she was kind of ugly etc. Or if their age range was closer.

      But because she’s a super-feisty 22yo who’s hot and who’s used to 30yo guys falling over themselves to chase her around, she’s going to lay a bunch of traps to test him first.

      Like, I’m all about jumping through the window of opportunity when it’s there, but calibrating to this specific girl and her specific personality-type and their specific situation, a fri/sat night text is probably going to be a “let’s see if I can get him to chase me around to see what kind of man he is” trap…which you can test for by telling her to meet you in a different bar from the one she’s at (if she actually wants to bone, she’ll meet you there), but odds are usually that it’s a trap.

      I’ve known girls who literally send mass texts out to all the guys on their phone to come meet them at X place with the intent of just letting them all fight it out over her and validate her and weed out the winner for the night. Sometimes they’ll do this with no intention of banging you just to impress their girlfriends and they’ll do it either secretly like “omg all these guys just happened to be here tonight look how popular I am and they’re buying me drinks and fighting over me! I guess I’m the most desirable girl in this group!” or they’ll do it openly with their girlfriends also doing it like “we’re bored and don’t want to pay for our own drinks, let’s text some guys and see who shows up”.

      Again this isn’t something that like, a pleasant personality average looking 30yo chick is likely to do…but a 22yo in her prime with a feisty personality, she’ll run guys through the wringer till she’s certain they are who she hopes they are.

      This doesn’t even conflict with what you’re saying (emphasis mine):

      “If you set your frame right and **SHE BELIEVES IT**, the coy shit ceases quickly IMO.”

      This type of girl needs a guy to pass a bunch of tests before she believes it. A sweeter less-feisty girl or a girl who has less value won’t need him to pass as many tests before she believes it. So I agree with you, it’s just that she’s basically a lot more skeptical about his frame/congruence/value than other girls might be is all.

      The way she adamantly determines who he is and COMES to “believe it”, is by throwing shit-tests at him to see how he’ll react. And once he’s passed those, she flips and “the coy shit ceases quickly” because she starts chasing him which is why I say once she’s hooked (from him passing these tests) he shouldn’t have a problem getting the actual lay.

      To me I’d rather pass up one invite the first weekend we’ve been talking to establish longer-term value in her mind (maybe she’s not that high value to me, maybe I had another girl that night, maybe I have other things on my plate, maybe I’m not that into her and she needs to impress me more, maybe I’m just not a guy who up-ends my life for pussy, etc.), than jump at the bait and risk blowing my value down the shitter because I was horny. Like I’ll get the lay either way, but one way carries a lot less potential risk of blowing myself out than the other way is all.

      Once she’s hooked and chasing, dropping the games is fine. Just meet up and bang her lol This is purely to reach the hook point with her personality type.


  • Confused
    on November 13, 2014 at 11:54 am
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    This was really helpful. I’ve never been shit tested that hard. Honestly, I don’t really get shit tested all that much. I’ve been thinking this means I need to up my quality or something.

    She did eventually reply, she said “Meeeeg” whatever that means, so I think it’s still on. I don’t really care, but I’ll milk it for the practice and see what happens.

    I opened this girl by giving her a hard time for being a feminist, if that gives you an idea of the tone of our interaction. She qualified herself really hard right from the beginning.

    When she said she was looking for friends I said this:

    Me: Yeah that’s cool I’ve been looking for more female friends. I can never seem to make it into the friend zone.

    Her: Hahaha that’s hilarious. I would love to have more friends who were content with being just friends.

    Me: Oh yeah, I guess that’s probably unusual. The grass is always greener. Anyway, let’s meet X at Y?

    I’m really fascinated by what it takes for a woman to be this obnoxious so I’m trying to deconstruct the whole thing. I usually attract really good natured girls who would never overtly talk about sex first, but like I said, I’m trying to broaden my reach.


    • YaReally
      on November 13, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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      “This was really helpful. I’ve never been shit tested that hard. Honestly, I don’t really get shit tested all that much. I’ve been thinking this means I need to up my quality or something.”

      lol this is barely even a shit-test to me. This is just playful flirting. This kind of thing is part of why I don’t really worry about my fuckbuddies/GFs (the feisty ones, which tend to be my type) hooking up with a bunch of other dudes…you’re a guy STUDYING pickup and this totally threw you. Girls like this tend to be bored by guys who can’t keep up with their humor, and are extremely attracted to guys who can. That’s why you get the two extreme ends of the spectrum where they either vanish completely or chase you, once you pass a certain point.

      “She did eventually reply, she said “Meeeeg” whatever that means, so I think it’s still on.”

      Ya, it’s a ping txt. So she’s into you. If you had followed your txt up with a bunch of “sorry, that’s just my sense of humor sometimes” or something, like second-guessing yourself, you probably wouldn’t have gotten this txt. By not following up, your response may not have been the BEST, but you didn’t make it WORSE. And it was at least sexual etc. So like, you probably didn’t really go UP in value much, but you didn’t go DOWN in value…which should cause her to just test you more.

      Think of it like this type of girl wants a guy who can go back and forth with her in terms of sexual humor and kind of giving eachother some hassle…but she wants a guy who’s consistently and congruently THAT. Most guys will be weeded out by her initial tests, but of the ones who pass it she’ll test more and more to figure out which ones landed a lucky comeback and which ones are congruently “THAT guy”.

      Once she’s satisfied she’s found one of “THOSE guys”, she’ll help make shit happen because she knows that’s rare and she had to weed out so many lame guys to find it. Unfortunately this can take a while (tons of testing and texting before she’ll meet up) and she can often not be worth all the effort/wait despite what a prize she thinks she is in her head lol So just make sure you have other shit on the go…once she’s flipped that switch and decided she wants to meet up though, like I say, you shouldn’t have any problems in person because you’re no longer convincing her, she’s convinced herself.

      If I was you I wouldn’t reply at all till after Sunday. You’ve pitched a meetup. You told her you don’t want to be her text buddy. You have other shit on the go. 99% of guys would reply to her “Meeeeeeg” txt and lol at it or ask what it means etc. By not responding at all you’re basically setting the frame of “if you want me to reply then get with the program, I’m not going to be your txt buddy reacting to everything you send to give you attention/validation”.

      ‘Cause that’s the OTHER side of the trap, is that to test you she’ll want to do a bunch of texting and shit…but the texting is validation for her, so she ends up getting her validation fix from you through the texts you’re sending when you’re trying to pass her shit-tests to get her to come meet up so you don’t have to text…confused yet? lol

      That’s why this can become kind of a clusterfuck and I put these girls on the slow-track in my mind. It’s like the sword that they give you to defeat the dragon actually takes away your health so ya you can kill the dragon with it but you can also end up in a situ where that very sword kills you first.

      Often with these ones I’ll pass a bunch of shit-tests and give them my txt validation for a week or two, and then pitch a meetup and just go 100% radio silent until they accept. Like I pass enough tests that they know “ok this guy could be one of “THOSE guys” I’m looking for…”, but then I stop playing along with their shit and pitch a meetup and don’t engage anymore of their shit that isn’t “ok I’m free Sunday”. It’s like saying “look, I know I’ve passed your tests and I know I want to meet up. If you want to meet up, cool, if you don’t then find some other guy to keep giving you this validation”. If you do that AFTER you’ve passed that hook point where they’ve decided you’re probably one of the rare “THOSE guys” types, often she’ll balk at meeting up and then try to get you to validate her like with the “Meeeeeg” ping text, and when she sees you’ve stopped biting, in her head she thinks “aw he’s not playing along anymore. :( he wants me to meet up…I don’t know if I’m ready for that, I was enjoying our little validating text sessions. But I’d rather meet up and have him than lose him because I think he’s one of “THOSE guys”…ok fine, I’ll txt him that I’m free Sunday”.

      Like, it’s kind of giving her an ultimatum but all sub-communicated. You’re not mad or frustrated, you just don’t see a reason to further engage if she doesn’t want to meet up because your time is valuable and you know your worth. Sometimes you’ll get 2 or 3 weeks of silence, maybe even a month or two depending on the girl, after that before she finally breaks and txts to meet up (I figure this is because she tries talking to some other dudes instead, who may be better looking etc. than you, but she gets bored by all of them because they flinch at her tests, so then a few weeks later she’s like “aghhh I miss THAT guy, he was more interesting than these chodes”).

      That’s why when they’ve decided you’ve passed their tests, they chase hard (esp if you start pulling away), because they’ve compared you to other guys and have decided “ok no, this is the one I want right now. Gimme!!”

      This is easily the most complicated personality type to game and while I still try just for the experience/practice, I legitimately view gaming this type as a big annoying chore lol I love the back and forth shit-testing eachother stuff, but these girls are such a juggling act to avoid being stuck in text-buddies limbo while keeping their interest that in my head I’m just like “ehhh, your pussy doesn’t shoot out magic rainbows, this isn’t really worth it to me” lol I’ve also found that a lot of times these girls in person are kind of like the female equivalent of a douche, and aren’t even that great in bed (high ego can prevent them from thinking they have to contribute more than being witty outside of the bedroom and having a pussy).

      Anyway, her ping text means she’s interested. But I wouldn’t respond till after Sunday, to teach her that when you offer a meet-up, she should accept it because she won’t get your validation otherwise. You meet on your terms, not hers.

      “Me: Yeah that’s cool I’ve been looking for more female friends. I can never seem to make it into the friend zone.”

      hah that’s not bad. I might steal that.

      “Me: Oh yeah, I guess that’s probably unusual. The grass is always greener. Anyway, let’s meet X at Y?”

      Solid, in that you aren’t engaging her shit, you’re just like “huh oh ya, I guess. So anyway let’s meet up” which is pushing things forward like I recommend. Again even if she doesn’t meet up, it’s fine…you’re just showing your intent.

      “I’m really fascinated by what it takes for a woman to be this obnoxious”

      The thing is, she’s really not that obnoxious…she’s just got very specific standards and needs a specific type of guy to pass those standards for her to be interested/attracted to him. It’s her instinctual defence mechanism for weeding out guys that she would ultimately be disappointed in or bored by to avoid wasting her prime child-bearing years and all that.

      Think of it like having “no fat chicks” in your profile lol It’s just her equivalent way of weeding out a huge group of men that she wouldn’t be attracted to in the first place.

      “I usually attract really good natured girls who would never overtly talk about sex first, but like I said, I’m trying to broaden my reach.”

      Ya, most guys go for those girls. Thing is a lot of the time they go for those girls not because they prefer and are fascinated and really engaged by them, but because they have no idea how to handle girls like this. I don’t want to call it going for the low-hanging fruit because those “good natured girls” come with some perks and stuff, they’re still a fun experience…but it’s kind of like sticking to Easy Mode because you want to just enjoy playing the videogame and wouldn’t have fun playing on Hard Mode and Hard Mode may not even reward you with the perks that you like even if you DID destroy it, to make it worth the hassle.

      Like there’s no better or worse, it’s just what you prefer and what’s compatible. It’s fine to not like feisty girls as long as it’s because you actively aren’t attracted to them and that’s a conscious decision, and not because you just get overwhelmed by their shit-tests and don’t have the skillset to handle it. Like if a dude wants to settle down with a fat chick, I mean, to each his own, he’s free to do what he wants…but there’s a difference between him settling down with a fat chick because he really likes her and doesn’t mind the weight and she has a bunch of perks and maybe he thinks skinny girls are shallow or whatever VS settling down with a fat chick because he doesn’t know HOW to get a hotter girl or doesn’t feel like he has the skillset or value to get one.

      Anyway, I would do radio silence till she either agrees to meet up Sunday (could happen Sunday afternoon or evening) and then give it a couple more days and then text her. I wouldn’t jump on any fri/sat “I’m at bar blah come see me” because that’ll be a bar where she has massive value and a bunch of orbiters you have to compete with and usually she’ll just ignore you and tell her girls “look how many guys come when I tell them to” lol

      If you get a fri/sat “come meet up with me” text and you feel in your gut that the fri/sat text is her wanting to actually meet up (like she’s like “my friends left and I’m bored”) then I would tell her “meet me at Other Bar in 30 min.” and pick a bar that she has to walk a couple blocks to, so that she has to actively remove herself from the potential trap situation…this helps weed out whether it’s a trap, because if it IS a trap she won’t want to leave the bar she’s at (she may even SAY she’s going to and then when you txt “where are you??” she’ll say “still at Bar, come get me” in which case you just stop texting her completely the rest of the night cause it’s definitely a trap) because that’s where she’s got all her value and orbiters and wants you to walk into that shit-show. But if she’s actually horny and wants to fuck, she’ll meet you at another nearby bar.

      For what it’s worth I think you can get this chick. She’s into you because she’s doing ping texts. You just have to play it smart and not fall for her tricks.

      Let us know what happens lol


    • YaReally
      on November 14, 2014 at 12:57 am
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      @Confused
      If you don’t hear from her and do have to re-engage next week, don’t mention her flaking or your previous offer or anything like some guys will want to go “you missed out it was a crazy night ;)” but just don’t. Not with a 22yo who’s attractive. You give no fucks, you had other shit going on that was way more interesting than her and you barely remember even inviting her. You’ll invite her out again, but you give no fucks if she accepts your offer or not.

      Sometimes with those girls they’ll txt on like Sunday morning if our plans were for Sunday afternoon and if I feel like she needs some punishment, I’ll tell her “sorry too slow, made other plans lol we’ll hang out next week” like not butthurt at all, just like if you don’t jump on my invites then I’ll find other people to fill them and I won’t cancel on those people for you sorry, next time don’t fuck around when I allow you the opportunity to hang out with me.

      And if I think she REALLY needs punishment then even tho I say “we’ll hang out next week” I just don’t offer her another chance to hang out for a few weeks, to let her get frustrated with the whole situation lol so that when I DO invite her out, she jumps at the chance and is scared to fuck it up and go through all that again.

      But that shit takes patience and it’s not a one size fits all thing. I don’t think this girl has done anything to warrant that much punishment, I’m just throwing it out there for guys in similar situs or for future girls who DO dick around and not value you and make you go “ok I need this girl to understand that she needs to get with the program”.



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on November 11, 2014 at 4:23 pm
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I never thought it would happen to me but it’s happening. Just the natural slow slide into not giving a shit. I guess you just start noticing patterns after doing this for awhile.

Now I’m just naturally chill and aloof with my fbs— mainly because I’m like “what, are we going to embark on some attempt at disneyland relationship time? the same shit ends up happening eventually and there’s no reason for me to do that unless I literally think she’s such a great and unique person worth tying myself down to.” Never thought I’d say it, but it’s true.

I hadn’t talked to one of them for like 3 weeks. She’s been texting me but I haven’t texted back. The last time I talked to her, she was just kind of irrational and annoying. Nothing that really pissed me off. But when you’re in a place of abundance, you just think ‘oh yeah the last time I talked to them, they were annoying, not worth the time tonight.’ Enough time passes to where ‘okay I don’t have anything to do tonight and that was a long time ago, I guess I can give this a whirl.’ And then, without even realizing it, you have executed the soft Next.

Fucking blew my mind.

Also….
sometimes I believe that criticisms can be compliments. For example, at a recent gathering someone told me that I wasn’t fun anymore or that I used to be more fun and that I looked nice.

I just interpreted that to mean that they thought I was more attractive than before and not a dancing monkey and that they were adjusting.

I was right. They tried to make out with me at the end of the night (I didn’t go for it…she was like a 5.5).


  • YaReally
    on November 11, 2014 at 7:11 pm
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    “I hadn’t talked to one of them for like 3 weeks. She’s been texting me but I haven’t texted back. The last time I talked to her, she was just kind of irrational and annoying. Nothing that really pissed me off. But when you’re in a place of abundance, you just think ‘oh yeah the last time I talked to them, they were annoying, not worth the time tonight.’ Enough time passes to where ‘okay I don’t have anything to do tonight and that was a long time ago, I guess I can give this a whirl.’ And then, without even realizing it, you have executed the soft Next. ”

    This is literally the reason a lot of hotter girls flake on guys, esp guys who fuck up and give them bad emotions, or not even bad emotions just UNCOMFORTABLE emotions. Girls spend their entire lives running away from uncomfortable emotions…try to discuss a girl’s finances or long-term life plan with her and she’ll change the subject to something that doesn’t make her feel uncomfortable emotions.

    It’s not that you don’t like the girl, it’s that she isn’t high enough value for you to wade through those crappy emotions she made you feel and you have other options so it’s like “ehh I just won’t reply, whatever”.

    And when you get bored some random night, you might give her another chance as long as she makes all the effort, just like a hot girl might let an orbiter buy her dinner because she’s bored and doesn’t want to cook and the guy she wanted to fuck is busy that night.

    It’s not a malicious thing, it’s just easier to not bother with people who aren’t bringing positive value to your life when you have other options.

    So remember that the next time a chick doesn’t return your txts or flakes on a date etc. lol Hanging out with you just isn’t high-value enough a scenario for her to make the effort…next time step your game up and DHV tighter or don’t get all butthurt via txt etc.


  • Arbiter
    on November 11, 2014 at 7:20 pm
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    I just interpreted that to mean that they thought I was more attractive than before and not a dancing monkey and that they were adjusting.

    I was right. They tried to make out with me at the end of the night

    You are calling one person “they”, like the feminists are pushing for people to do? And it’s YOUR OWN STORY, so you KNOW if it’s a man or a woman.

    Goddamnit, are you so brainwashed that you can’t see how you follow a feminist propaganda push about language even to the point that you don’t follow basic grammar rules that children learn before they start school? Even in a story where you know if it’s a man or a woman you are talking about, because it’s your own story. Amazing. One of the worst examples I have seen.



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Scray
on November 11, 2014 at 4:23 pm
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I never thought it would happen to me but it’s happening. Just the natural slow slide into not giving a shit. I guess you just start noticing patterns after doing this for awhile.

Now I’m just naturally chill and aloof with my fbs— mainly because I’m like “what, are we going to embark on some attempt at disneyland relationship time? the same shit ends up happening eventually and there’s no reason for me to do that unless I literally think she’s such a great and unique person worth tying myself down to.” Never thought I’d say it, but it’s true.

I hadn’t talked to one of them for like 3 weeks. She’s been texting me but I haven’t texted back. The last time I talked to her, she was just kind of irrational and annoying. Nothing that really pissed me off. But when you’re in a place of abundance, you just think ‘oh yeah the last time I talked to them, they were annoying, not worth the time tonight.’ Enough time passes to where ‘okay I don’t have anything to do tonight and that was a long time ago, I guess I can give this a whirl.’ And then, without even realizing it, you have executed the soft Next.

Fucking blew my mind.

Also….
sometimes I believe that criticisms can be compliments. For example, at a recent gathering someone told me that I wasn’t fun anymore or that I used to be more fun and that I looked nice.

I just interpreted that to mean that they thought I was more attractive than before and not a dancing monkey and that they were adjusting.

I was right. They tried to make out with me at the end of the night (I didn’t go for it…she was like a 5.5).


  • YaReally
    on November 11, 2014 at 7:11 pm
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    “I hadn’t talked to one of them for like 3 weeks. She’s been texting me but I haven’t texted back. The last time I talked to her, she was just kind of irrational and annoying. Nothing that really pissed me off. But when you’re in a place of abundance, you just think ‘oh yeah the last time I talked to them, they were annoying, not worth the time tonight.’ Enough time passes to where ‘okay I don’t have anything to do tonight and that was a long time ago, I guess I can give this a whirl.’ And then, without even realizing it, you have executed the soft Next. ”

    This is literally the reason a lot of hotter girls flake on guys, esp guys who fuck up and give them bad emotions, or not even bad emotions just UNCOMFORTABLE emotions. Girls spend their entire lives running away from uncomfortable emotions…try to discuss a girl’s finances or long-term life plan with her and she’ll change the subject to something that doesn’t make her feel uncomfortable emotions.

    It’s not that you don’t like the girl, it’s that she isn’t high enough value for you to wade through those crappy emotions she made you feel and you have other options so it’s like “ehh I just won’t reply, whatever”.

    And when you get bored some random night, you might give her another chance as long as she makes all the effort, just like a hot girl might let an orbiter buy her dinner because she’s bored and doesn’t want to cook and the guy she wanted to fuck is busy that night.

    It’s not a malicious thing, it’s just easier to not bother with people who aren’t bringing positive value to your life when you have other options.

    So remember that the next time a chick doesn’t return your txts or flakes on a date etc. lol Hanging out with you just isn’t high-value enough a scenario for her to make the effort…next time step your game up and DHV tighter or don’t get all butthurt via txt etc.


  • Arbiter
    on November 11, 2014 at 7:20 pm
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    I just interpreted that to mean that they thought I was more attractive than before and not a dancing monkey and that they were adjusting.

    I was right. They tried to make out with me at the end of the night

    You are calling one person “they”, like the feminists are pushing for people to do? And it’s YOUR OWN STORY, so you KNOW if it’s a man or a woman.

    Goddamnit, are you so brainwashed that you can’t see how you follow a feminist propaganda push about language even to the point that you don’t follow basic grammar rules that children learn before they start school? Even in a story where you know if it’s a man or a woman you are talking about, because it’s your own story. Amazing. One of the worst examples I have seen.



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my experience with a true fatty was very unpleasant. For some unknown reason, one night I didn’t want the “party” to stop after getting to the bachelor pad with a few chicks after getting drunk and high for many hours of sin.

After watching one of my very close friends basically borrow a bedroom to get with an old time serious lover, I basically walked into my kitchen looking to find my fatty who had been busy hen-blocking all night against my buddy hooking up with his gal.

Of course I stumbled upon her looking for something to eat in my fridge and cupboard cabinets. It was such a turn on. …

I looked her in the eye and said “Do YOU wanna Fuck?

She said “Ya”

I said “really”…

(actually no, I didn’t ask her “really”. I said “lets go then”, and led her to my roommate’s bed to fuck her because it was my room that I let my buddy have his gal.

Damn. This probably wont post anyway cuz I took to long composing.

I just wanted to say Ya Really…

Maybe I will read the thread first and then post about what it is like..

lol


  • YaReally
    on November 12, 2014 at 4:34 am
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    “She said “Ya”
    I said “really”…”

    I lol’ed.



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herb
on November 12, 2014 at 12:23 am
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my experience with a true fatty was very unpleasant. For some unknown reason, one night I didn’t want the “party” to stop after getting to the bachelor pad with a few chicks after getting drunk and high for many hours of sin.

After watching one of my very close friends basically borrow a bedroom to get with an old time serious lover, I basically walked into my kitchen looking to find my fatty who had been busy hen-blocking all night against my buddy hooking up with his gal.

Of course I stumbled upon her looking for something to eat in my fridge and cupboard cabinets. It was such a turn on. …

I looked her in the eye and said “Do YOU wanna Fuck?

She said “Ya”

I said “really”…

(actually no, I didn’t ask her “really”. I said “lets go then”, and led her to my roommate’s bed to fuck her because it was my room that I let my buddy have his gal.

Damn. This probably wont post anyway cuz I took to long composing.

I just wanted to say Ya Really…

Maybe I will read the thread first and then post about what it is like..

lol


  • YaReally
    on November 12, 2014 at 4:34 am
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    “She said “Ya”
    I said “really”…”

    I lol’ed.



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“Of course, this faggot opts to mash his face in her pussy before banging her. OF COURSE. Pre-sex cunnilingus is 99% of times a huge beta male tell.”


  • Anonymous
    on November 10, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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    this crazy sjw chinese chick is really going after julien hard…looks like shes trying to get the site that hosts RSD’s website to shut them down.


    • YaReally
      on November 11, 2014 at 12:52 am
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      “looks like shes trying to get the site that hosts RSD’s website to shut them down.”

      lol doesn’t matter. PirateBay, 4chan, etc. are still running. Has no one ever used the internet before? They can make new Twitter/Facebook accounts and re-upload videos down the road when less people are in full rage mode.

      Everything about Tyler’s strategy is in this video that no one will ever actually watch for the EXACT reasons Tyler explains IN this video lol:

      Anyone who thinks that once shit hit the fan there was ANY way to handle it that would result in zero damage taken is naive and has never engaged the media before. The media tried to blame Tyler/RSD for Elliot Rogers just a few months ago when the guy was a member of pua-HATE, an anti-PUA site. He talks about his experiences with that in this video. The media wants to spin a narrative, so they will. If they want to push 20 articles on the same day all spinning the exact same narrative to drown him out, they can do that. Whatever gets more clicks.

      It doesn’t matter what Tyler says, a black dude isn’t talking his way out of a lynch mob. Firing Julien would just make the SJWs target the rest of them because they know they can cause firings, and there’s plenty of content on RSD for SJWs to endlessly be outraged over.

      Sure, he could waste time and resources trying to discredit the asian chick and posting videos defending himself etc., but to what end? The people who hate RSD are still going to hate RSD. No one who thinks OJ is guilty/innocent is going to change their mind if he releases a statement. No one who thinks Michael Jackson molested children is going to change their mind no matter what he says. And the people who are interested in RSD will still be interested in RSD.

      Like Tyler says in the video above, this isn’t the first time he’s had the media come after RSD. If you didn’t realize that, it’s because he’s handled those situations before and you haven’t noticed because he didn’t engage the media and let it drag out.

      Eminem is banned from all sorts of places, everyone is flipping their shit about him rapping that he’ll punch Lana Del Ray in the face right now like they think he’s serious, but he’s doing just fine. The fucking KKK is in the USA lol Like, no one cares.

      RSD does small bootcamps where they only allow like 3 guys on the program, they’re not hurting for customers. They’re not over in Australia and Japan because they’re struggling to find customers here. Even if Julien was locked down to the USA, he could run bootcamps in Vegas or around the USA and fill them every single weekend EASILY.

      There’s no financial hit in this at all. Their content is free online for anyone to view and spread via word of mouth and the guys who’ve watched a few videos will give them the benefit of the doubt and look into things further and might just avoid Julien’s content but resonate with one of the other instructors and take their bootcamp instead.

      Bootcamps are only like 3 people. The big crowds you see in those speeches are generally Free Tour events that don’t cost money (there’s a $50 retainer fee that you just E-Mail to get back after, so they know how big a crowd it’ll be). If no one goes to a single Free Tour ever again, they haven’t lost a dime. Or those people in the videos are Hot Seat crowds, which are like $200 to attend I think, and if you’re taking a Hot Seat you are FULLY interested in RSD and understand Julien’s trolling wasn’t to be taken seriously.

      Maybe Julien can’t go to Japan or Canada. Oh no. A handful of guys in Japan won’t get to learn how to approach and talk to girls. Sucks for them, but there’s another handful of guys in the USA who would happily take those empty bootcamp spots and go mack some hotties and those Japanese dudes can always travel to the USA if they want him as a coach bad enough.

      But hey, I’m just a shill, right? Don’t read any of this or use critical thinking, and definitely don’t watch that video…it’s LONG, and Kim Kardashian is probably giving her opinion on what Eminem said and who KNOWS what’s happening with the ebola nurse, I heard she has to re-plan her ENTIRE wedding!! click click click…


    • YaReally
      on November 12, 2014 at 7:48 pm
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      @ho
      Different situation. That was a one vs one debate. This is one vs possibly hundreds of thousands. Try writing a defense of RSD and see how far it gets. People haven’t adapted to online war in 2014. Shit has changed, old tactics that worked before Twitter and archives and streaming video etc. don’t apply anymore and the SJWs use tactics that people didn’t have to deal with before the Twitter era. Plus Tucker is appealing to the masses to get money from them so he has to appeal to the moderates. RSD’s income comes directly from students who are aware of RSD and spread it by word of mouth and tell their friends how railroaded the Julien situ was.

      This is all simple logic.



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“Of course, this faggot opts to mash his face in her pussy before banging her. OF COURSE. Pre-sex cunnilingus is 99% of times a huge beta male tell.”


  • Anonymous
    on November 10, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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    this crazy sjw chinese chick is really going after julien hard…looks like shes trying to get the site that hosts RSD’s website to shut them down.


    • YaReally
      on November 11, 2014 at 12:52 am
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      “looks like shes trying to get the site that hosts RSD’s website to shut them down.”

      lol doesn’t matter. PirateBay, 4chan, etc. are still running. Has no one ever used the internet before? They can make new Twitter/Facebook accounts and re-upload videos down the road when less people are in full rage mode.

      Everything about Tyler’s strategy is in this video that no one will ever actually watch for the EXACT reasons Tyler explains IN this video lol:

      Anyone who thinks that once shit hit the fan there was ANY way to handle it that would result in zero damage taken is naive and has never engaged the media before. The media tried to blame Tyler/RSD for Elliot Rogers just a few months ago when the guy was a member of pua-HATE, an anti-PUA site. He talks about his experiences with that in this video. The media wants to spin a narrative, so they will. If they want to push 20 articles on the same day all spinning the exact same narrative to drown him out, they can do that. Whatever gets more clicks.

      It doesn’t matter what Tyler says, a black dude isn’t talking his way out of a lynch mob. Firing Julien would just make the SJWs target the rest of them because they know they can cause firings, and there’s plenty of content on RSD for SJWs to endlessly be outraged over.

      Sure, he could waste time and resources trying to discredit the asian chick and posting videos defending himself etc., but to what end? The people who hate RSD are still going to hate RSD. No one who thinks OJ is guilty/innocent is going to change their mind if he releases a statement. No one who thinks Michael Jackson molested children is going to change their mind no matter what he says. And the people who are interested in RSD will still be interested in RSD.

      Like Tyler says in the video above, this isn’t the first time he’s had the media come after RSD. If you didn’t realize that, it’s because he’s handled those situations before and you haven’t noticed because he didn’t engage the media and let it drag out.

      Eminem is banned from all sorts of places, everyone is flipping their shit about him rapping that he’ll punch Lana Del Ray in the face right now like they think he’s serious, but he’s doing just fine. The fucking KKK is in the USA lol Like, no one cares.

      RSD does small bootcamps where they only allow like 3 guys on the program, they’re not hurting for customers. They’re not over in Australia and Japan because they’re struggling to find customers here. Even if Julien was locked down to the USA, he could run bootcamps in Vegas or around the USA and fill them every single weekend EASILY.

      There’s no financial hit in this at all. Their content is free online for anyone to view and spread via word of mouth and the guys who’ve watched a few videos will give them the benefit of the doubt and look into things further and might just avoid Julien’s content but resonate with one of the other instructors and take their bootcamp instead.

      Bootcamps are only like 3 people. The big crowds you see in those speeches are generally Free Tour events that don’t cost money (there’s a $50 retainer fee that you just E-Mail to get back after, so they know how big a crowd it’ll be). If no one goes to a single Free Tour ever again, they haven’t lost a dime. Or those people in the videos are Hot Seat crowds, which are like $200 to attend I think, and if you’re taking a Hot Seat you are FULLY interested in RSD and understand Julien’s trolling wasn’t to be taken seriously.

      Maybe Julien can’t go to Japan or Canada. Oh no. A handful of guys in Japan won’t get to learn how to approach and talk to girls. Sucks for them, but there’s another handful of guys in the USA who would happily take those empty bootcamp spots and go mack some hotties and those Japanese dudes can always travel to the USA if they want him as a coach bad enough.

      But hey, I’m just a shill, right? Don’t read any of this or use critical thinking, and definitely don’t watch that video…it’s LONG, and Kim Kardashian is probably giving her opinion on what Eminem said and who KNOWS what’s happening with the ebola nurse, I heard she has to re-plan her ENTIRE wedding!! click click click…


    • YaReally
      on November 12, 2014 at 7:48 pm
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      @ho
      Different situation. That was a one vs one debate. This is one vs possibly hundreds of thousands. Try writing a defense of RSD and see how far it gets. People haven’t adapted to online war in 2014. Shit has changed, old tactics that worked before Twitter and archives and streaming video etc. don’t apply anymore and the SJWs use tactics that people didn’t have to deal with before the Twitter era. Plus Tucker is appealing to the masses to get money from them so he has to appeal to the moderates. RSD’s income comes directly from students who are aware of RSD and spread it by word of mouth and tell their friends how railroaded the Julien situ was.

      This is all simple logic.



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DSW-Esq
on November 10, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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Is cunnilingus “Beta” if you’re getting “referral sex” based on your prowess in that department- think I’m in the 1% exception… Seriously, my reputation has women coming back for more…


  • Anonymous
    on November 10, 2014 at 4:41 pm
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    Dick game beats lick game, son.


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      on November 10, 2014 at 5:08 pm
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    • YaReally
      on November 11, 2014 at 1:52 am
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      @Hunter
      “do you go down on girls you’ve just picked them up or is it only after repeat business?”

      I go down on pretty much all of them. I love it. I’m like a puppet-master down there with fingers and tongue giving them all sorts of crazy orgasms. I prefer when I can have a few hours with the girl so there’s no rush and I can tease the fuck out of her (kissing up and down her body, nibbling her neck, light kisses down her body and circling her pussy without quite touching it then down to biting the inside of her thigh and back up to circling again and tracing her pussy lips slowly one at a time still without touching her clit, dangling the tip of my tongue across her clit as slow and light as possible, etc.).

      Once I’m on her clit doing my thing I’m working her G-spot, A-spot, Deep-spot, playing with her ass, all sorts of combinations. With a new fuckbuddy who’s going to be a regular I like to mix up what I’m doing as I push her over the edge so she gets a variety of orgasms, like the first time she comes over I’ll give her a few G-spot (aka squirting) orgasms. Next time I’ll work her A-spot as she cums. Next time it’ll be the Deep-spot, sometimes I’ll press on it rhythmically sometimes I’ll just hold the pressure down on it, etc. Then maybe next time it’ll be just a normal clit orgasm but with a finger in her bum (her finger or my finger, whatever). Then a super slow teasing orgasm where I keep her on the edge as long as possible till she can’t form words. Then I’ll tie her up and give her multiple orgasms where she can’t get away from them. Then out come the toys like nipple clamps and floggers and shit, etc.

      I have fun doing all of this. It’s an awesome power trip to leave her a blubbering quivering pool of jelly and to watch her body squirming at every tiny movement I do, hear her frustrated breath as I take her to the edge but stop and don’t let her quite reach the tipping point into orgasm over and over and just be completely in control of her body/pleasure. I lol every time they’re in that zombie post-multiple/quirting/prolonged-orgasm state where they can’t even form words as I pull them against me and pull the blanket up to cuddle while they recover and come back down to Earth.

      Some guys aren’t into any of that stuff, but hey that’s cool. I don’t expect a construction worker with a hammer to paint the Mona Lisa lol I still get to get off how I want, it’s not an either/or thing like only one orgasm can happen during sex lol And I mix up different types of sex. Sometimes I’ll be rough and slap her around throat-fucking her and calling her names, sometimes I’ll do the candlelight and massages slow sensual shit, sometimes I’ll do a full out rape roleplay, sometimes I’ll take her out to bar and we’ll drink and I’ll fuck her in public somewhere. Depends on the girl and the mood. I talk to them about sex and their personal fetishes and shit too, so I can come up with fun shit for us to do. Even with P in the V I like to mix things up, like I’ll tease her for a bit and then just fuck her as slow as possible teasing her instead of always just pounding away like a jackhammer.

      And ya, I know, I know, “yareally you giant beta homo, a girl will be happy if YOU get off, don’t u kno NETH1NG???”. Don’t worry, I also throw in that “just fuck her brains out and use her as a fuck-hole and not care if she gets off” type shit for variety but I personally prefer all the orgasmic shit. I look at it like I’m not offering them anything but sex (no commitment, no dates, no spending money on them, etc.) so I might as well be giving them good sex lol

      Like I’ve said before, fuckbuddies don’t come back to me for my 6-pack abs and mansion with 10 BMWs in the garage. They come back for the sex, often even after they boyfriend up. And I get the occasional referral which is always a pleasant surprise lol

      “I’ve been scared to do it cuz I don’t want to get any STDs from some random.”

      A lot of STD hype is just fear-mongering to keep teenagers from fucking irresponsibly. I’ve done my research over the years and basically everything can be cleared up with a handful of pills as soon as you notice any symptoms, no fucks given. Those images you see on Google are all INSANE cases where the disease has gone untreated into like stage 9 out of 10 levels of terror…you are never going to catch anything that looks like those images lol

      The two major STDs to care about (because they’re the two that can’t be cleared up with a simple round of pills) are herpes and THE AIDS. You’re so unlikely to catch AIDS from P in V and even less likely to catch it from oral that it’s not worth even thinking about.

      Herpes sucks because you can’t get rid of it. Statistically like a quarter of the population has herpes and something like 3 quarters of them don’t even know they have it because they don’t show any symptoms. So basically sex in general is a crap-shoot. If you want a 0% chance of catching the herp, don’t have sex at all. A condom is only going to protect your shaft, the herp can go all the fuck over the place.

      But the herp comes in two versions, one of them is generally “the oral one” which results in cold sores, and the other is on a person’s jimmies. So much of the population gets cold sores and can catch it so easily from like, a relative kissed them when they were a baby, or sharing drinks, or any number of other things that it’s like if I end up with that, and I get it from giving chicks mind-blowing multiple/squirting/prolonged orgasms while Bob from Accounting got it from sipping out of the same glass as a buddy a few years ago, I’m alright with that lol

      If you DO catch the herp, you can be totally asymptomatic and never even know it or see any kind of outbreak, or you can have a minor version of it where it’s like a minor pimple that crops up like once a year and is gone in a couple weeks, and if you get the full out TV-commercial version of it you can take drugs to manage it. Or if you eat super clean and stay as healthy as possible, you shouldn’t get breakouts or should be able to minimize them (they appear when your immune system is out of whack, like when you have a cold, thus the nickname “cold sores”).

      If you’ve been making out with girls and share drinks at the bar with your friends and shit, there’s a decent chance you HAVE it and just aren’t showing any symptoms. Even if you’re in a relationship with one girl, if she goes and cheats on you or she’s been asymptomatic her whole life or she’s sharing drinks with her friends, you’re not really any more immune. I know a dude who got chlamydia (round of pills clears it up, no big deal) from a huge fat chick he was in a long-term relationship with…I figure if I’m going to catch something it’ll at least be from some hottie where guys go “wow, ya, that’s worth it, fuck she’s hot” lol

      And if you get one version of the herp, then you’re pretty much immune to catching the other version of the herp because your body is used to that shit. So if you get cold sores, you’re probably not going to catch jimmy sores down below lol

      So it’s like, ya, there’s a chance you might catch the herp…but if the choice is “no sex ever, or kind of half-assed sex with regular old orgasms for the girl and a bunch of paranoia and stress for you”, or “fuck a bunch of girls my entire life and blow all their minds into orgasmic bliss like a boss”, I figure I’ll take my chances. I might get hit by a car or struck by lightning but I’ll still go outside and cross my fingers.

      If you want to fucking TERRIFY yourself, ask people around you if they’ve ever had a cold sore lol You probably won’t leave the house ever again.

      If you want to be sneaky and do some recon, when you’re in deep rapport/comfort, tell a funny story about being at the STD clinic recently and probe her to see when the last time she went is. And/or when things are heating up, tell her you shouldn’t kiss her because you just got over a cold sore and wouldn’t want to give it to her if she’s never had one before and if she’s had them before there’s a good chance she’ll say “oh it’s fine, I get them too” and then you can dive out the window and go swig a bottle of mouthwash and delete her number lol

      This has been your sexual health lesson for the day lol Don’t be a fool, wrap your tool. Try to check her pussy out in the light and if you see red bumps (sometimes it’s frame shaving, but I don’t risk it lol) stay away. And if you’re sexually active, go get tested every few months. It takes a couple weeks for whatever disease you might catch to kick in, so if you just kicked out some dirty STD-ridden bar slut last night and your peener is itching, you were probably just too rough with it and it’s raw ’cause symptoms aren’t going to kick in that fast…don’t spank it for a few days and keep an eye on it, and hit up the STD clinic in a couple weeks and tell them you want to test for everything.

      Also I do like Ron Jeremy recommends and take a super hot shower right after sex…I’m not much of a science guy but I gotta’ figure soaping off a bunch of bacteria is probably better than stewing in it overnight, but who knows this could be superstition lol

      But I can’t say you won’t get ebola. THAT SHIT IS EVERYWHERE.


    • YaReally
      on November 11, 2014 at 7:13 pm
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      @Hunter
      “The girl I banged on Halloween wanted the lights off so I was like, I’m definitely not going on down her now when there’s no way I can really see anything.”

      Ya that’s a common warning sign, I don’t go near it on those situs or put the light on so I can see what’s up down there. Sometimes it’s just that it’s red from razor bumps and they’re embarrassed but like, I ain’t flippin that coin lol



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DSW-Esq
on November 10, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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Is cunnilingus “Beta” if you’re getting “referral sex” based on your prowess in that department- think I’m in the 1% exception… Seriously, my reputation has women coming back for more…


  • Anonymous
    on November 10, 2014 at 4:41 pm
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    Dick game beats lick game, son.


    • YaReally
      on November 10, 2014 at 5:08 pm
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    • YaReally
      on November 11, 2014 at 1:52 am
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      @Hunter
      “do you go down on girls you’ve just picked them up or is it only after repeat business?”

      I go down on pretty much all of them. I love it. I’m like a puppet-master down there with fingers and tongue giving them all sorts of crazy orgasms. I prefer when I can have a few hours with the girl so there’s no rush and I can tease the fuck out of her (kissing up and down her body, nibbling her neck, light kisses down her body and circling her pussy without quite touching it then down to biting the inside of her thigh and back up to circling again and tracing her pussy lips slowly one at a time still without touching her clit, dangling the tip of my tongue across her clit as slow and light as possible, etc.).

      Once I’m on her clit doing my thing I’m working her G-spot, A-spot, Deep-spot, playing with her ass, all sorts of combinations. With a new fuckbuddy who’s going to be a regular I like to mix up what I’m doing as I push her over the edge so she gets a variety of orgasms, like the first time she comes over I’ll give her a few G-spot (aka squirting) orgasms. Next time I’ll work her A-spot as she cums. Next time it’ll be the Deep-spot, sometimes I’ll press on it rhythmically sometimes I’ll just hold the pressure down on it, etc. Then maybe next time it’ll be just a normal clit orgasm but with a finger in her bum (her finger or my finger, whatever). Then a super slow teasing orgasm where I keep her on the edge as long as possible till she can’t form words. Then I’ll tie her up and give her multiple orgasms where she can’t get away from them. Then out come the toys like nipple clamps and floggers and shit, etc.

      I have fun doing all of this. It’s an awesome power trip to leave her a blubbering quivering pool of jelly and to watch her body squirming at every tiny movement I do, hear her frustrated breath as I take her to the edge but stop and don’t let her quite reach the tipping point into orgasm over and over and just be completely in control of her body/pleasure. I lol every time they’re in that zombie post-multiple/quirting/prolonged-orgasm state where they can’t even form words as I pull them against me and pull the blanket up to cuddle while they recover and come back down to Earth.

      Some guys aren’t into any of that stuff, but hey that’s cool. I don’t expect a construction worker with a hammer to paint the Mona Lisa lol I still get to get off how I want, it’s not an either/or thing like only one orgasm can happen during sex lol And I mix up different types of sex. Sometimes I’ll be rough and slap her around throat-fucking her and calling her names, sometimes I’ll do the candlelight and massages slow sensual shit, sometimes I’ll do a full out rape roleplay, sometimes I’ll take her out to bar and we’ll drink and I’ll fuck her in public somewhere. Depends on the girl and the mood. I talk to them about sex and their personal fetishes and shit too, so I can come up with fun shit for us to do. Even with P in the V I like to mix things up, like I’ll tease her for a bit and then just fuck her as slow as possible teasing her instead of always just pounding away like a jackhammer.

      And ya, I know, I know, “yareally you giant beta homo, a girl will be happy if YOU get off, don’t u kno NETH1NG???”. Don’t worry, I also throw in that “just fuck her brains out and use her as a fuck-hole and not care if she gets off” type shit for variety but I personally prefer all the orgasmic shit. I look at it like I’m not offering them anything but sex (no commitment, no dates, no spending money on them, etc.) so I might as well be giving them good sex lol

      Like I’ve said before, fuckbuddies don’t come back to me for my 6-pack abs and mansion with 10 BMWs in the garage. They come back for the sex, often even after they boyfriend up. And I get the occasional referral which is always a pleasant surprise lol

      “I’ve been scared to do it cuz I don’t want to get any STDs from some random.”

      A lot of STD hype is just fear-mongering to keep teenagers from fucking irresponsibly. I’ve done my research over the years and basically everything can be cleared up with a handful of pills as soon as you notice any symptoms, no fucks given. Those images you see on Google are all INSANE cases where the disease has gone untreated into like stage 9 out of 10 levels of terror…you are never going to catch anything that looks like those images lol

      The two major STDs to care about (because they’re the two that can’t be cleared up with a simple round of pills) are herpes and THE AIDS. You’re so unlikely to catch AIDS from P in V and even less likely to catch it from oral that it’s not worth even thinking about.

      Herpes sucks because you can’t get rid of it. Statistically like a quarter of the population has herpes and something like 3 quarters of them don’t even know they have it because they don’t show any symptoms. So basically sex in general is a crap-shoot. If you want a 0% chance of catching the herp, don’t have sex at all. A condom is only going to protect your shaft, the herp can go all the fuck over the place.

      But the herp comes in two versions, one of them is generally “the oral one” which results in cold sores, and the other is on a person’s jimmies. So much of the population gets cold sores and can catch it so easily from like, a relative kissed them when they were a baby, or sharing drinks, or any number of other things that it’s like if I end up with that, and I get it from giving chicks mind-blowing multiple/squirting/prolonged orgasms while Bob from Accounting got it from sipping out of the same glass as a buddy a few years ago, I’m alright with that lol

      If you DO catch the herp, you can be totally asymptomatic and never even know it or see any kind of outbreak, or you can have a minor version of it where it’s like a minor pimple that crops up like once a year and is gone in a couple weeks, and if you get the full out TV-commercial version of it you can take drugs to manage it. Or if you eat super clean and stay as healthy as possible, you shouldn’t get breakouts or should be able to minimize them (they appear when your immune system is out of whack, like when you have a cold, thus the nickname “cold sores”).

      If you’ve been making out with girls and share drinks at the bar with your friends and shit, there’s a decent chance you HAVE it and just aren’t showing any symptoms. Even if you’re in a relationship with one girl, if she goes and cheats on you or she’s been asymptomatic her whole life or she’s sharing drinks with her friends, you’re not really any more immune. I know a dude who got chlamydia (round of pills clears it up, no big deal) from a huge fat chick he was in a long-term relationship with…I figure if I’m going to catch something it’ll at least be from some hottie where guys go “wow, ya, that’s worth it, fuck she’s hot” lol

      And if you get one version of the herp, then you’re pretty much immune to catching the other version of the herp because your body is used to that shit. So if you get cold sores, you’re probably not going to catch jimmy sores down below lol

      So it’s like, ya, there’s a chance you might catch the herp…but if the choice is “no sex ever, or kind of half-assed sex with regular old orgasms for the girl and a bunch of paranoia and stress for you”, or “fuck a bunch of girls my entire life and blow all their minds into orgasmic bliss like a boss”, I figure I’ll take my chances. I might get hit by a car or struck by lightning but I’ll still go outside and cross my fingers.

      If you want to fucking TERRIFY yourself, ask people around you if they’ve ever had a cold sore lol You probably won’t leave the house ever again.

      If you want to be sneaky and do some recon, when you’re in deep rapport/comfort, tell a funny story about being at the STD clinic recently and probe her to see when the last time she went is. And/or when things are heating up, tell her you shouldn’t kiss her because you just got over a cold sore and wouldn’t want to give it to her if she’s never had one before and if she’s had them before there’s a good chance she’ll say “oh it’s fine, I get them too” and then you can dive out the window and go swig a bottle of mouthwash and delete her number lol

      This has been your sexual health lesson for the day lol Don’t be a fool, wrap your tool. Try to check her pussy out in the light and if you see red bumps (sometimes it’s frame shaving, but I don’t risk it lol) stay away. And if you’re sexually active, go get tested every few months. It takes a couple weeks for whatever disease you might catch to kick in, so if you just kicked out some dirty STD-ridden bar slut last night and your peener is itching, you were probably just too rough with it and it’s raw ’cause symptoms aren’t going to kick in that fast…don’t spank it for a few days and keep an eye on it, and hit up the STD clinic in a couple weeks and tell them you want to test for everything.

      Also I do like Ron Jeremy recommends and take a super hot shower right after sex…I’m not much of a science guy but I gotta’ figure soaping off a bunch of bacteria is probably better than stewing in it overnight, but who knows this could be superstition lol

      But I can’t say you won’t get ebola. THAT SHIT IS EVERYWHERE.


    • YaReally
      on November 11, 2014 at 7:13 pm
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      @Hunter
      “The girl I banged on Halloween wanted the lights off so I was like, I’m definitely not going on down her now when there’s no way I can really see anything.”

      Ya that’s a common warning sign, I don’t go near it on those situs or put the light on so I can see what’s up down there. Sometimes it’s just that it’s red from razor bumps and they’re embarrassed but like, I ain’t flippin that coin lol



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on November 8, 2014 at 9:45 am
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“It would be like me just standing there and expecting her to blow me just for existing. But that’s how women think.”

This explains much of feminism’s accusations against men. Women expect men to think as women think, and therefore anticipate a non-existent entitlement complex. Men, who do not expect something for nothing, become defensive upon receipt of the accusation, confirming the female presumption of guilt by feigning (to feminine eyes) innocence when caught behaving badly, whereas male motive is defense of honor and trust.

Further justification for agree and amplify.


  • YaReally
    on November 8, 2014 at 11:38 am
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    “could u please wirtez dat in palin englishz for all us americanz menz?”

    It’s worth re-reading. Solid point by tteclod.

    Women’s solipsism makes it difficult for them to understand why we’re offended when they imply that our CEO position (or whatever) was handed to us the way guys hand shit to them, brushing off the thousands of hours of hard work and breaking our back working late nights and networking and negotiating to get there.

    That’s why they don’t just start their own companies and invest those hours and create CEO positions for themselves…they don’t realize that’s how we’re doing it, they think they should be handed a CEO position the way guys hand them their time/money/attention just for having a pussy.

    The 99.9% of guys who aren’t CEOs and are instead working shitty jobs and getting nowhere in life, don’t exist to them because those guys don’t fit their narrative.

    And then ironically our being offended at their not realizing what hard work shit took makes them go “SEE! They’re guilty!!” because in their world they’ve been handed free shit because of their tits and know when they tell themselves “no that guy bought me a free drink because of my charming personality” that they’re full of shit so they think we’re doing the same thing lol

    It’s a good thing they’re pretty.



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tteclod
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“It would be like me just standing there and expecting her to blow me just for existing. But that’s how women think.”

This explains much of feminism’s accusations against men. Women expect men to think as women think, and therefore anticipate a non-existent entitlement complex. Men, who do not expect something for nothing, become defensive upon receipt of the accusation, confirming the female presumption of guilt by feigning (to feminine eyes) innocence when caught behaving badly, whereas male motive is defense of honor and trust.

Further justification for agree and amplify.


  • YaReally
    on November 8, 2014 at 11:38 am
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    “could u please wirtez dat in palin englishz for all us americanz menz?”

    It’s worth re-reading. Solid point by tteclod.

    Women’s solipsism makes it difficult for them to understand why we’re offended when they imply that our CEO position (or whatever) was handed to us the way guys hand shit to them, brushing off the thousands of hours of hard work and breaking our back working late nights and networking and negotiating to get there.

    That’s why they don’t just start their own companies and invest those hours and create CEO positions for themselves…they don’t realize that’s how we’re doing it, they think they should be handed a CEO position the way guys hand them their time/money/attention just for having a pussy.

    The 99.9% of guys who aren’t CEOs and are instead working shitty jobs and getting nowhere in life, don’t exist to them because those guys don’t fit their narrative.

    And then ironically our being offended at their not realizing what hard work shit took makes them go “SEE! They’re guilty!!” because in their world they’ve been handed free shit because of their tits and know when they tell themselves “no that guy bought me a free drink because of my charming personality” that they’re full of shit so they think we’re doing the same thing lol

    It’s a good thing they’re pretty.



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The Spirit Within
on November 8, 2014 at 9:55 am
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We’re going to have a massive mental health problem on our hands when the current generation of Millennial women hits the collective wall and has either 1) lost the dopamine rush of getting liked online or 2) can no longer collect those likes and suffer total loss of identity.

T minus ten years. Sell Apple and buy Big Pharma.


  • YaReally
    on November 8, 2014 at 11:52 am
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    I agree completely. If women freak out when a handful of men stop cat-calling them past 35 and like, bouncers don’t ID them anymore or men don’t offer to buy them free drinks…imagine what will happen when literal THOUSANDS, if not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands (Megan Fox has over a million followers) of validation hits suddenly vanish. It’s going to be chaos.

    But it’s going to be fucking AWESOME if you’re a cool older guy (30+).

    ’cause all the 18yo’s are going to look at their crazy cat lady aunts and fucked up single moms and go “wow I want to avoid that shit, I’m going to learn how to cook and clean and that whole “sit at home watching DVDs with the kids while a man takes care of me, instead of being an unappreciated underpaid overworked nameless cog in a corporate machine” thing sounds kind of appealing compared to buying 8 bags of cat food a week like my aunt.

    And they’re going to turn to the guys around them to find some manly oak tree style dominance and alpha cores that gives them gina tingles…except feminism has ensured that boys will be raised entirely by women (and beta men, same thing) from birth to graduating university (if they haven’t been expelled for “eye raping” a girl with their oppressive “male gaze” of course). So they’ll be surrounded by lame beta schlubs who can’t provide that manly dominance that turns them on.

    So where are they going to turn? Older men. The guys who have their internal shit together and have enough life and game experience to have that dominant alpha vibe that the father they never had would’ve had.

    And those older men will want nothing to do with the fucked up post-wall harpies their own age. So it’s a mutual win/win for older men and next gen young women. The post-wall millennial women and the next gen feminist-brainwashed young men, however, are FUCKED.

    When these older men tap all this young poon, they’d better pass down game teachings to their sons…for the sake of the human race lol



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on November 8, 2014 at 9:55 am
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We’re going to have a massive mental health problem on our hands when the current generation of Millennial women hits the collective wall and has either 1) lost the dopamine rush of getting liked online or 2) can no longer collect those likes and suffer total loss of identity.

T minus ten years. Sell Apple and buy Big Pharma.


  • YaReally
    on November 8, 2014 at 11:52 am
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    I agree completely. If women freak out when a handful of men stop cat-calling them past 35 and like, bouncers don’t ID them anymore or men don’t offer to buy them free drinks…imagine what will happen when literal THOUSANDS, if not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands (Megan Fox has over a million followers) of validation hits suddenly vanish. It’s going to be chaos.

    But it’s going to be fucking AWESOME if you’re a cool older guy (30+).

    ’cause all the 18yo’s are going to look at their crazy cat lady aunts and fucked up single moms and go “wow I want to avoid that shit, I’m going to learn how to cook and clean and that whole “sit at home watching DVDs with the kids while a man takes care of me, instead of being an unappreciated underpaid overworked nameless cog in a corporate machine” thing sounds kind of appealing compared to buying 8 bags of cat food a week like my aunt.

    And they’re going to turn to the guys around them to find some manly oak tree style dominance and alpha cores that gives them gina tingles…except feminism has ensured that boys will be raised entirely by women (and beta men, same thing) from birth to graduating university (if they haven’t been expelled for “eye raping” a girl with their oppressive “male gaze” of course). So they’ll be surrounded by lame beta schlubs who can’t provide that manly dominance that turns them on.

    So where are they going to turn? Older men. The guys who have their internal shit together and have enough life and game experience to have that dominant alpha vibe that the father they never had would’ve had.

    And those older men will want nothing to do with the fucked up post-wall harpies their own age. So it’s a mutual win/win for older men and next gen young women. The post-wall millennial women and the next gen feminist-brainwashed young men, however, are FUCKED.

    When these older men tap all this young poon, they’d better pass down game teachings to their sons…for the sake of the human race lol



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YaReally
on November 8, 2014 at 11:28 am
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“It would be like me just standing there and expecting her to blow me just for existing.”

Shit you mean I’ve been doing it wrong??

On JulienGate, if you read between the lines of how RSD is handling it, Tyler is basically doing a Freeze Out on the ENTIRE WORLD lol. His response to it is basically exactly what CH has been discussing about handling people who love drama: he’s saying “ok no one wants an actual discussion, so there’s nothing for me to bother responding to. The SJWs just want to be outraged, not to actually hear our side of it, so oh well let them have their witch hunting fun and when they run out of steam because we aren’t feeding them by responding or fighting back or defending ourselves, we can either talk to them at that point or continue doing our thing while they run off to start their next twitter campaign against the next big outrage of the week.”

This is basically a huge Soft Next or Freeze Out lol. Same shit Ceaser does where he won’t pet the dog while the dog is out of control excited…he ignores the dog until it’s calmed down and THEN he rewards it with his attention.

Same with the attention whore type chicks: they come at you with drama about being mad at you and you just don’t respond because they don’t actually want a rational logical discussion with you they just want to get their drama fix but they’ll calm down as long as you don’t feed it. If you engage their drama it’ll keep going because you’re giving them fuel. Then they’ll move on to the next big drama of the week in their lives.

Julien hasn’t responded at all he’s gone total ghost. Same deal, just a huge freeze out. If he tried defending himself or engaging them or tooling them they would have fuel to keep the outrage machine going (“look what this misogynist scumlord has said about his actions!!”)

I don’t know why but I just think it’s fucking funny that the way Tyler is handling this is to run a standard freeze out on EVERYONE lol like he’s an evil villain cackling to himself “first I’ll freeze out these bar girls…next, I freeze out THE ENTIRE WORLD!!” When space travel picks up, Tyler will use game to conquer the galaxy and bang hot alien chicks.

The steam from this (search RSDJulien mentions on twitter) is already dying down. Tyler figures it’s about a 10 day news cycle these days and then it’s over. There might be a little damage done like Aussies may have to travel to attend a bootcamp and RSD is already experimenting with streaming free tour events so people could attend from the safety and comfort of their own home.

Julien may have to lay low for a bit but being the most hated misogynist 50 Shades style pickup instructor in the world will probably get him laid. Knowing Julien, he’ll probably TELL girls at the bar to google him on their phones while he’s talking to them and get laid from the notoriety since women love the bad boy.

But RSD isn’t going anywhere. It’s been fun to watch the panic tho. And to watch red pill guys condemn julien without watching all he (and the rest of RSD’s) content to see what they’re really teaching and the context of the choking shit and taking julien’s offensive twitter/Facebook self-amusement at face value instead of lol’ing at shit like “I like my women like I like my cell phone. Broken.” It’s like half the Manosphere is a bunch of secret-SJWs who don’t go out and have been having fun roleplaying being a “player” online but all it took was one little twitter campaign for those people to jump on board the SJW outrage machine.

To the Manosphere in general and especially the RVF: “Don’t talk like you’re one of the socially approved good guys, you’re not. Even if you’d LIKE to have the MSM’s approval. To them, you’re just misogynistic shitlords, like Julien. Your red pill philosophy…it’s a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. You’re only as red pill as the SJWs allow you to be. When the chips are down, these red pill guys? The ones who are supposed to live outside of society’s bullshit conditioning and trivial outrage over the cold hard shiv of what actually works? They’ll eat eachother, writing hit-pieces and angry forum posts condemning other red pill guys (especially with competing pickup products where there’s a financial gain to tearing them down), and joining the SJWs in slandering people based on third and fourth hand bite-size biased summaries instead of doing thorough research and deciding what to think for themselves.”

hmmm okay that quote got a little convoluted lol

A lot of guys are only red pill until shit hits the fan. Then it’s “how can I get society’s approval??” Same guys who end up caving to the peer pressure to get married after writing a bunch of anti-marriage articles. This is why I call the Manosphere PUA-Lite…it’s the safety-scissors version of pickup lol real talk but not TOO real incase the SJWs don’t approve.

I’m not saying newbies should go out and choke girls, but neither is Julien. You (and the dipshit newbies who try that) would know that if you had watched his hours and hours of free content instead of getting your opinion from outrage clickbait and running with it.

I also think it’s pretty revealing who’s in pickup to genuinely help guys and who’s in it for the eCeleb status/money and “belong to a group” clique mentality when guys celebrate the loss of useful content that helps men change their lives and take control of their sex life in this society that constantly tries to prevent that. If you think Julien/RSD videos are all just teaching guys to do uncibrated mass spam approaching and don’t cover topics like success in business and taking care of your health and hitting the gym and learning to calibrate and learning when to back off or modify your game for the situation etc and that all their content is under $3000 lockdowns, then you haven’t watched enough of their vids…which is understandable since they have probably hundreds of hours of high quality free content up as a company for guys to learn from and you have more important things to do than research the things you talk about, you gotta make sure your pocket square is at a specific 27 degree angle in your custom fitted suit so your clique approves.

I would be the first one in line to oppose Day Bang being removed by SJWs, even if I don’t like the author. Men need red pill content to turn their lives around, that’s more important than petty Internet clique doggy-pile-ons.

But hey, Tyler is probably paying me to say this just like he pays all the girls in his in-field videos lol


  • holisticgame
    on November 9, 2014 at 2:11 pm
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    Fucking dead on brother, as always. We need to have you on the podcast. If you’re down sometime, hit me up holisticgame (at) gmail


    • YaReally
      on November 10, 2014 at 1:56 am
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      No voice for me, text keeps me anonymous. But feel free to post some questions if you have any, always happy to answer shit.

      Good stuff on sexual escalation, my fav topic, on your last podcast. I do most of the shit you were talking about, seeding the interaction with sexual topics early is key and the stuff you’re talking about where you test the waters is important…if you can show her you have the self-control to back off, she’s much more trusting that you’ll back off if she gets uncomfortable later and she’ll be more adventurous because she feels like she can trust you to calibrate…breaking the kiss first, or tugging her hair as you nibble her neck then let go, or choking her lightly for a second then backing off to touch other parts of her and gauging her response for whether she liked it tells you whether you should push it or not and tells her that you’re concerned about how she feels.

      I balance rough sex out with cuddling after, to let her know that that was all just fun sexual roleplay (and to avoid Buyer’s Remorse), and while we cuddle I like to ask her if there was anything she liked and wanted to try more of and anything she wasn’t a fan of so I can explore her personal kinks further or tone shit she isn’t into down. Like I’ve said before, girls don’t come back to me for my 6-pack abs and BMW lol They come back because I give them better sex than other guys can and it has nothing to do with thrusting away like a jackrabbit for an hour (I’m too out of shape for that lol).

      Didn’t hear you guys address sub-comms or eye contact on the sexual escalation topic. Add the shit in this video to your game if you aren’t already doing it, demos start about 12 minutes into it but the first speech is good for general mindset shit:

      The stuff he does in this builds massive sexual tension. I don’t slow my speech down as much as him ’cause I’m a talkative guy but I add pauses. Keys are laser eye-contact, slow down your talking (let pauses linger), and cut the space (the further you get into her space the more sexual tension it creates).

      And skip to 26 minutes into this one for the same concepts with a demo by Gambler (the rest of the clip is cool, but his stuff with the girl from 26 minutes on is the key, pay particular attention to when he cuts the space on her while she’s talking, you’ve probably done this by luck before):

      These two vids super-charged the fuck out of my sexual escalation game. I don’t even bother with kino now, I can build enough sexual tension just with this that I don’t need it. It can get around needing to talk over loud music too. Great for using on staff (waitresses etc.) and in groups where you can’t blatantly kino, and when you get stuck on dates where you have to sit across from eachother (I actually prefer to sit across from the girl now, I used to sit beside them to kino but I find this is better). If you’re a smoker, bum a cigarette and do it while you and the girl smoke. Also good for older guys like me who aren’t congruent with the high-energy high-fiving handshake-spin-the-girl shit anymore. I’m not at the stage where I’m so old I have to just chill on a barstool in a lounge sipping a glass of scotch and flirt with the girl on the stool next to me, but when I hit that stage this shit is going to be what makes the difference.

      Anyway, Gambler’s point is key: “if you want to know if what you’re doing builds sexual tension, imagine doing it to a guy-friend. If it would be too weird, it builds sexual tension.”

      If you look your dude-buddy in the eye and talk about like, football, that’s normal communication…but if you look eachother in the eye and slow down your speech into that bedroom voice tone and add pauses, it feels pretty gay even if you’re still talking about football, and if you then move closer and cut the space as you do that getting your faces closer and closer, it feels SUPER FUCKING GAY despite the fact that you haven’t actually touched him and aren’t even talking about sexual topics.

      But do that to a GIRL, and add in sexual topics (and if you’re close to her go for your hands on her hips to pull her in like you already do), and she’ll cream herself. Skip to 1:30 and note how when he slowly closes that gap is when the tension fully skyrockets:

      If you cover winging like you were saying you might, plz mention splitting the set and turning the girls away from eachother to mentally isolate them into two one-on-one conversations (where you can apply the laser eyes shit I just linked). If I see one more group of 2 guys talking to 2 girls all facing eachother like a happy little hugbox at the bar, I’m going to fucking cry lol If those guys only knew how much of a difference taking a circle-strafe step to the side would make for their results…


  • Randy the Random
    on November 9, 2014 at 6:40 pm
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    YaReally dawg you know I’m a big fan of your, Roosh and Tyler, so hear me out. if

    What Roosh took issue with is the perception of Redpill men that’s being demonstrated by Julien’s behavior. Obviously, as an individual, we shouldn’t give two shits about what another man does, to each his own. BUT, if we ever want feminist laws to be repealed (Title IX, divorce rape, custody, unequal legal outcomes, etc.), we have to start thinking ahead.

    Julien is well within his right to chokeslam and suplex any bitch he wants. But as a coach for one of the biggest dating companies, whether he likes it or not, he will be used as an example of the Redpill man. If Ron Paul fucked goats, you can’t just say “dude, the guy’s politics are stellar just ignore his goat fucking.” That’s not how humans work, and its not how society works.

    Roosh, myself and many redpill guys are worried about our future. Our LEGAL future. No matter how much we freeze out, we can’t ignore the fucking cops and judges. Julien got deported from Australia by the fucking Minister of Immigration. That’s some Bond-villian shit right there, all for playing rough with girls? This is EXACTLY what Roosh and Redpillers are worried about. And Julien isn’t helping our case.

    We need to transition Redpill into a political movement, so we can repeal these fucking insane laws. Look at the Canadian Association For Equality as an example. These guys are trying hard, and they have to be diplomatic. They still get fucking aggro feminists yelling and screaming at them, but they’re slowly making progress. This is what we gotta do.

    So for the greater goal, we have to expect our community leaders to just fly under the radar a bit and put on a good front just like a politician. Obviously, knowing Julien and how big of an attention whore he is (nothing wrong with that btw it gets him laid), that may be hard. BUT we still have to try.

    Look at this this way, do you think Obama is gonna go to town swearing and cursing at some KKK guy for calling him a nigger? No, he’ll deal with it diplomatically, cause he’s the fucking POTUS. He has to act like it. Conversely, Redpill guys gotta start acting more like James Bond, and less like Jack the Ripper if we want to get these laws changed.


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 11:51 pm
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      @Randy the Random
      No disrespect intended here, I’m on a good ranting session tonight but don’t intend to be personally offensive or anything and appreciate the dialogue lol:

      “What Roosh took issue with is the perception of Redpill men that’s being demonstrated by Julien’s behavior.”

      What exactly do you guys think the perception of red pill men IS? Has Jezebel ever written an article praising Roosh? You guys are the bottom of society, you just don’t realize it.

      And if that’s the issue, what the fuck is Return of Kings?? Like, are you kidding me? Do you think “5 Reasons To Date A Girl With An Eating Disorder” and “fat shaming week” are painting red pill guys in an admirable light?

      Can you guys not see the cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy here?

      “BUT, if we ever want feminist laws to be repealed (Title IX, divorce rape, custody, unequal legal outcomes, etc.), we have to start thinking ahead.”

      Again I could point to Return of Kings, but MRAs can handle that shit. No one has called Julien an advocate for MRAs, or even red pill really, they expressly call him a PUA over and over. The only reputation being destroyed is PUAs, and PUAs have been shit on since the beginning of time, even by the Manosphere and MRAs and TheRedPill (despite the fact that 90% of the shit you all study is just regurgitated from PUAs in the first place).

      PUAs are fine with being the bottom of society. The less attention people pay to us, the better. We like being underground…our shit works, men who want to learn it discover it, and good game is invisible. We don’t need MSM approval, you can’t shove game down guys’ throats without heavily watering it down. RSD and PUA in general is tailored to the guys who are at rock bottom and looking for help and no longer care about social approval. We’re not trying to get “10 funky ways to land that girl of your dreams” articles on Gawker. We write what works, and if people are ready to hear it they’ll find it.

      It’s like shitting on MGTOWs. MGTOWs don’t care if you hate on them, they’re MGTOW, they’ve given up mainstream acceptance of their views and lifestyle a looooong time ago. They present their information for other men who need answers to find and spread it through word of mouth. Sandman isn’t trying to get an article up on Maxim.com about MGTOW.

      You guys are the ones striving to somehow get Jezebel to praise Return of Kings’ fat-shaming articles. MRAs are the only ones who have even a SHOT at mainstream acceptance (and they’re doing great, massive props to them) and MRAs hate the FUCK out of TRP/Manosphere/PUAs.

      “Julien is well within his right to chokeslam and suplex any bitch he wants.”

      shhh, don’t give him ideas.

      “This is EXACTLY what Roosh and Redpillers are worried about. And Julien isn’t helping our case.”

      Do you run around identifying yourself by name and photo as a pickup artist? If you do, you’re insane. First rule of Fight Club.

      How are the Return of Kings articles helping our case? How is all the race-baiting shit in the Manosphere helping?

      You guys are freaking out because someone ELSE is trolling the media instead of you, and that scares you because you don’t have control over what he does or how he handles it.

      “We need to transition Redpill into a political movement, so we can repeal these fucking insane laws.”

      No disrespect intended but do you even comprehend how insane that is? Do you think RVF is going to be the group that gets family courts to give men a fair shake on child custody and child support? Do you think anyone on TRP on Reddit is going to get courts to stop allowing divorce-rape? Do you think all the “men want to fuck 16 year olds it’s biological” articles on the Manosphere is going to make anyone stop viewing all men as potential pedophiles?

      Have you guys been sitting in your RVF hugbox for SO long that you don’t even realize how you’re perceived across the rest of the Internet? Like I don’t even want to pick on specific guys from the RVF community who’s photos/vids I’ve seen because I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but if you guys don’t realize how you look to the mainstream, I don’t even know what to tell you.

      “Look at the Canadian Association For Equality as an example. These guys are trying hard, and they have to be diplomatic. They still get fucking aggro feminists yelling and screaming at them, but they’re slowly making progress. This is what we gotta do.”

      “So for the greater goal, we have to expect our community leaders to just fly under the radar a bit and put on a good front just like a politician.”

      Like I say, when you guys are demanding a takedown of Return of Kings and books called “Bang Iceland” and all the race-baiting in the Manosphere, I’ll take these claims about how diplomatic we have to be more seriously.

      “Conversely, Redpill guys gotta start acting more like James Bond, and less like Jack the Ripper if we want to get these laws changed.”

      The problem with your guys’ perspective is that you still don’t realize that you are the ONLY ONES who view your community as international playboy James Bonds. I’m not trying to be mean here, but there is no one saying “wow that Julien guy seems like a shit-head, but those RVF guys who fly to foreign countries and take advantage of the poor destitute women there swinging their rich white male privilege around because they can’t get real American women, seem like stand-up gentlemen we should admire and praise!”

      You’re the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world, just like Julien, just like CH, just like me…you just haven’t accepted that reality yet.


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 11:53 pm
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      @Randy the Random
      Got some big ol’ replies for you and the RVF crew (hi Faust!) in mod addressing all your guys’ points. Check back in a day or two whenever CH approves them, I’m going to bed lol


  • YaReally
    on November 9, 2014 at 11:24 pm
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    I have entirely too much time on my hands tonight cause a fuckbuddy flaked on me so here we go lol:

    @Faust

    Yo. lol

    “What’s interesting though is that his complaint reveals the weakness of this “Freeze-Out” strategy. I watched the video, and I’ve seen the quotes, and I can’t come up with any kind of context that would make this behavior acceptable (or legal). But it’s also possible that I’m missing something, and I’d be willing to hear that argument. ”

    If you want to get into legalities, half of pickup is “illegal”. Touching a girl’s lower back in the bar as you talk to her, without her express consent beforehand? I’m not a lawyer so I can’t say that that’s for sure sexual assault, but I don’t think it would be much of a stretch for an SJW to claim it is…let alone motorboating a girl or escalating sexually on her when she’s being coy and you both know it’s on but objectively in a court of law what you’re doing is sexually touching/escalating without her express consent beforehand.

    When people go to a bar they expect to probably get touched a bit, but if the girl decides afterward that she’s not cool with touching that she may have been cool with a few minutes ago when it happened (but since then you’ve pissed her off), that touching you were doing is probably “illegal”. It would be silly to get up in arms about it, but that’s what SJWs do, blow shit way out of proportion into full sperg-land. Witness the outrage over Simple Pickup’s charity attempts that involve (even with full consent) motorboating girls or having them ride sybians for charity.

    So if you can justify touching a girl’s lower back when you talk to her, then technically Julien’s shit can be justified the same way: if you’re cool and calibrated and the girl is attracted, it’s fine and she’ll enjoy it. Even if you cross a line too soon, if you back off and apologize but keep gaming and smooth things over to show that you’re aware you crossed a boundary, then often it’s fine and the girl is attracted and you can cross that line again later in the interaction and she enjoys it.

    Tyler has mentioned on RSDN that in the full footage, the girls Julien is messing with love it and giggle and and ask to kiss him afterward etc. and that Julien purposely edited the video to not show those parts to make himself look as bad as possible to try to get MSM attention. Is that true? I don’t know, I can’t say Tyler isn’t full of shit. But I know:

    1) Often stuff that looks totally “wrong” to people who don’t have field experience doing it with positive results, actually works and the girls enjoy it. Witness this complete nonsense, where a virginy SJW starts a white knight campaign to defend this poor girl from an entertaining motorboat and gets smacked the fuck down by her. “get away from ur computer screen and meet a girl” lol:

    Half the guys in a bar are just seething with bitter rage at the “assholes” talking to girls and think everything those guys do is morally reprehensible. But when you’re calibrated and experienced, you understand when you can push boundaries.

    2) Julien describes his choke in his videos and he doesn’t go up trying to strangle girls to death. He says he goes in with his hand really slow so they have plenty of time to back away or ask “wtf” and he brushes it off, and he just goes in super slowly and isn’t even really choking them, he’s just putting his hand around their neck while they giggle. If they freak out he backs off, if they don’t and they’re going “omg you’re crazy lolol” and smiling it’s probably ’cause they’re one of the billion women who just read 50 Shades of Grey. lol Julien has calibration, and he tells guys not to do what he’s doing especially if they’re newbies.

    3) Julien has been trolling the MSM and Feminists for like a year+ now. He’s constantly been trying to get their attention by being as offensive as possible and trying to make himself out to be a monster. Even his first big in-field footage release was purposely edited to make him look like a huge asshole (telling one girl he’s walking home with “I never do this” and then cutting to a scene of him having a 3-way makeout at the bar, etc.). That’s been his gimmick for a while. So editing a video in that manner to play up his “evilness” wouldn’t be unusual for Julien. Even the titles of his videos and his marketing for Pimp has been purposely as “in your face” offensive as possible because it gets attention (in this case a bit too much lol)

    So I can’t say that the girls DID all react well after the initial shock of what’s going on…but I can’t say that they didn’t.

    So then the question is: “Well if they have video of these girls’ reactions afterward and they’re positive, why don’t they just release the full footage and end all this?”

    I don’t have an answer for that and them not releasing it weighs pretty heavily on the “because those girls DIDN’T enjoy it” side of things…but given how the SJW media shit-storms work, logically even if he DID release that footage: would anyone BELIEVE it now that they’ve already decided he’s guilty? Look at the “internalized misogyny” rationalization SJWs use to explain how women who say they aren’t oppressed just don’t REALIZE they’re oppressed. Look at the “a girl can have sex with you and go on 3 more dates and fuck you for a month and take you to her family dinner for christmas but then decide a year later that the sex was non-consensual and it was rape and she was just under a cloud of terror and shock and was acting irrationally and don’t tell ME how a woman would react when she’s raped, you mansplainer!!!”

    I mean with those Simple Pickup charity videos, where they VERY CLEARLY had womens’ consent, the SJWs were up in arms saying the women only consented because of the pressure of having a camera on them. They let a man physically assault them because they were scared of being judged on camera as “no fun”. They used the same arguements on the fucking “ride a sybian in public for charity” video. They actually think a woman would be SO terrified by the fear of telling some skinny kids with a videocamera asking if they’d like to ride a sybian to raise money for charity “No.” that they got on a giant vibrating dildo in the middle of a public street and rode it just to avoid the fear and terror of saying no.

    The charity rejected that money too, btw. Fucking amazing.

    Anyway, so if the SJWs can rationalize shit like THAT, can you imagine them ever saying “oh well now that we’ve seen the video of these other girls, we take back everything we said! Give Julien his VISA back! We’ll buy him a beer when he comes to Australia”? Has an SJW **EVER** admitted they were wrong about ANYTHING?

    Look at Sam Pepper. The dude released a 3 part video series with the first part being about men harrassing women, the second part being women harrassing men, and the third part explaining that it was a social experiment to see how the internet would react because as has been shown thru other experiments no one gives a fuck about sexual harrassment when a cute girl does it.

    But what happened? The SJWs launched their attack and despite him SHOWING extra clips of the girls from his video to SHOW that they were actors who knew what was going on, the SJWs got that shit taken down/deleted and spun their narrative over top of it and said retarded shit like “well if he REALLY knew them then why does he just have extra video of them smiling and waving at the camera instead of them expressly saying to the camera “I was cool with this it was a prank I was aware of ahead of time”??? If they didn’t do that then he’s LYING!! And I only see *2* of the girls from the video, so the OTHER 5 were clearly all actually sexual assault!!!”

    Like there is literally no winning with them. They will do insane mental loops to stick to their conclusion.

    So if you’re Tyler, and you’re sitting on footage of the girls liking Julien, and you watched the Sam Pepper and Simple Pickup shitstorms go down, and you know any communication you make with the media will simply fuel the hate train (even if a few SJWs were convinced, another 1000 of them would find a way to be further outraged)…you might say “ehh, you know what, fuck it. It’s not worth prolonging this. Let’s just let this thing die off.”

    Again, I can’t say one way or another, and it would be great if in a month Julien returned with a video of him banging all those girls, but I don’t think anyone who’s done pickup can say they haven’t done stuff with positive results that lame beta guys and feminists would be in an uproar over, so I can’t throw him under the bus on this one that easily.

    “And Julian’s too much of a coward to defend his own teachings. He’s gone total radio silence.”

    How many black dudes talked their way out of being hung by a lynch mob back in the old days? Sure, to convince some people on the fence it could be good to release statements or engage all this…but is another month of an angry mob writing articles and contacting embassies with their already-decided conclusions going to be worth trying to get YOU to say “ya, okay I get it now”?

    Is there ANY scenario you see in your mind, like think about this logically and rationally, where RSD could be painted as “good guys” by the SJW/feminist/MSM? There is NOTHING they can do. Even if Julien showed videos of the convenience store girl sucking his dick behind the counter, the SJWs would just latch onto one of the other multitude of things RSD has said that they can spin up more outrage over.

    There is NO way they would EVER get the mainstream writing a dozen “you know, we misjudged these RSD fellows, they’re actually pretty cool!” articles and people tweeting #iheartRSD on Twitter. It’s not possible.

    You’re asking a lump of stinky poop to try to convince people that it’s actually just old rotting meat. PUA knows it’s at the bottom of the barrel in society’s mind and will always be there so why attempt to fight back when everyone’s in the middle of their rage-gasm? Maybe address it in a month or two when things settle down, maybe have Julien come back all reformed, who knows, but right now there is really no benefit to prolonging this.

    “I’ll open the floor to any of his defenders who want to clear this up for me. How was this quote taken out of context?
    “When you go to Tokyo….if you’re a white male, you can do what you want. Just grab her, pull her in. She’ll giggle. Just say PIKACHU or POKEMON or something to take the pressure off. I’m romping through the streets (of Tokyo) just grabbing girls and it’s like (motions) head on dick (pfft) head on dick, yelling ‘PIKACHU’ with a Pikachu shirt on….Every foreigner who is white does this. When you see that one foreigner in the crowd in Tokyo and your eyes will lock and you know that he knows and he knows that and it’s this guilty look like you both fucked a hooker or something.””

    He’s just trolling. For all anyone knows he ran disclaimers before and after that part of his talk, like he normally does. There are lots of vids where Julien stresses not to do half this stuff and not to be socially retarded and to calibrate.

    Put it this way, which is more likely:

    1) that a guy who’s been trying to goad the media into coming after him for a year+ edited a speech and some in-field footage of his to come off super controversial leaving out disclaimers and just showing the most outrageous parts trying to get Jezebel’s attention to write a hate article on him like they did for Jeffy that he’s been documented as being jealous of?

    Or 2) he’s actually decided to teach men to just go around raping women and no one at RSD is like “maybe that’s not a good seminar to teach, buddy” and he’s just gone so insane that he’s running around with a videocamera shouting “I can rape anything I want on film and there will be no consequences to this!!!”?

    I mean, MAYBE it’s number 2…but in my mind a person would have to have a pretty strong hate-on for Julien to make that leap lol

    “What was the “context” of him grabbing and kissing an unwilling girl at a cash register, like we see in the first part of the video?”

    Well, let’s take a look instead of relying on third and fourth-hand information:

    At 2:35 he does it 3 times. The only part he shows is the actual pushing down part and it’s one girl and then a second girl twice. The guy beside the first girl doesn’t seem to give a fuck and that first girl is smiling before he does it. Maybe he just randomly grabbed a random girl and sexually assaulted her and no one cares and it was completely out of the blue……orrrrr maybe he was talking to her already, and that’s why she’s smiling and the guy is cool with him fucking around, and she’s attracted so he knows he can do it and he cut the footage as soon as he pushes her head down instead of showing her smiling and laughing after because that doesn’t fit the trolling narrative he’s trying to bait the SJWs into.

    Which is more logical? Would you stand around while someone randomly walks by a girl you’re with (say your sister) and grabs her head and pushes it into his crotch? Of course not. But you might stand around if her boyfriend (or in this case a guy who’s been flirting with the girl) who you know she’s attracted to and you’re cool with was making her laugh and then pushed it down joking with her play-wrestling. You’d probably lol like this guy does and she’d probably be smiling.

    Now the girl with the short hair in the club, he pushes her head down to his crotch. He does it twice, from her standing. That means that after the first time, she had every opportunity to walk away, but didn’t. We can assume that the first clip of him doing it to her is the first time because she’s smiling (if the clips are out of order and had just been sexually assaulted with that 2nd head push actually coming first, she probably wouldn’t be smiling when he does it this time). So he did it once and then she’s still hanging out with him (who knows how much time passed between the first push and the second, but they’ve changed body positions so it could be anywhere from 10 seconds to 20 minutes, who knows), and you can’t see her face on the second time. Maybe she’s smiling and laughing, she’s been hanging out with him and hasn’t screamed or called a bouncer over and no one around them seems to give a fuck.

    Even if she’s polite, or just thinks he’s crazy, she was perfectly able to leave him. If a girl is into you, you can do stuff like this and it’s “omg you’re such an asshole lolol” and they love you. It’s like play-wrestling. Now maybe Japanese society is *SO POLITE* that nobody there cares if someone is just raping girls in the middle of a club and not even bouncers care or anything and girls will just stand around him letting him rape them over and over instead of walking away.

    …orrrrrr maybe there’s a bit more before and after this clip, where Julien has been flirting with the girl and knows he can do something like this and she’ll like it but it makes a great addition to the “troll the mainstream media to look like a monster” narrative he’s been forming for a year+.

    Cashier girl, he’s clearly whispering in her ear, you can see his cheeks moving and he’s positioned to be in her ear. At MOST he tries to nibble her neck. That’s a far cry from what people are describing it as and the clip starts when he’s already in there. For all anyone knows from the editing, he could’ve been flirting it up with her for a couple minutes prior. The girl in the background is giggling away. Has Japan seen so much tentacle porn that they’ll watch completely unwarranted rape assaults and just giggle? No one will say or do anything? And Julien was like “haha I’m going to try to rape this bitch, make sure it’s on camera!!! I’m going to put this rape in a video online and I don’t see any way something bad can come from that!!”

    …orrrrrr is it possible there’s a bit before and after this where he’s flirting it up and she likes him and he decided to do some sexy talk in her ear which is way out of comfort boundaries for Japan so her body language is a bit “wtf do I do”, but after this clip she’s giggling and likes him like the girl in line behind her and in making a video for the express purpose of trolling the mainstream media painting himself as a monster, editing just this part in is better than showing all that other stuff that would make it less shocking?

    “What am I missing that makes this behavior okay?”

    It’s not that he’s obviously innocent or that RSD handled this in the best way in all aspects etc…but if you understand what Julien’s been doing in terms of trolling the media, and you’ve gone out doing pickup and had people white knight on you for negging a girl (“you shouldn’t talk to a girl like that, bro!!”) when she herself loves it and fucks you after, etc…like, I wouldn’t say hold him up as a shining example of pickup, but I think the red pill/game guys falling over eachother to condemn and demonize him are just caught up in the emotions of the moment and not really thinking this through logically or doing their research.

    @runsonmagic
    “Julien Blanc’s twitter is gone. So much for that freeze out strategy.”

    lol. Ya, can’t to much once your Twitter is deleted. They have EXTREMELY strict rules for making a Twitter account. I hear I’ll have to provide 3 forms of government ID if I want to start my @poopypoopoobumfart Twitter account…so, you know, I guess Julien is done.

    Let them have a few little victories. Start a new Twitter/Facebook in a few months, who cares?

    Like this is exactly the attitude I’m talking about when I talk about the insane hate-on for RSD. It’s like “lolol so much for THAT strategy!!” like you guys are just DYING for RSD to go under. “haha fuck those guys, they’re not UncleR and he wrote a biased article about them once that I’ve swallowed hook line and sinker and I’ve met some shitty students before (because an MMA school putting out a few shitty fighters means that they’re teaching garbage and couldn’t have anything to do with those fighters just being retarded and not paying attention in class)…so fuck them, I hope they go down ahahahaa!!”

    Like, c’mon man. Let them have Twitter and Facebook. Ok, way to go SJWs, you won, you cut the head off the dragon!! Post all over Twitter how you defeated the monster! Now off to your next outrage battle! …and then a couple months later, hey look, Julien’s back. Like come on, I feel silly even having to explain how insignificant a Twitter accout being closed is.

    @UncleR
    “SJW strategy is to freeze you so your inaction allows them to railroad you. So a “freeze out” strategy helps them greatly.”

    What are they going to do? Send some change.org petitions around? Julien, if he had to, could teach online with someone else running his bootcamps. They’ve cut off their own way of attacking them…90% of the Twitter storm was “@RSDJulien fuck you you piece of shit you’re a monster”, but now @RSDJulien doesn’t exist so it’s like, they’re just shouting at eachother and confirming eachother and then they’ll get bored and go home. If anything they should’ve left Julien’s accounts so they could keep hating on him and keep their fire stoked lol

    You of all people know what it’s like to have most of the world hating on you. How has it really affected you? Are you unable to go out to bars anymore or sell your products or talk to girls? Julien kind of dwarfed you in the world-wide hate ranks, but it’s the same shit. You seem to be doing just fine and not only have you not convinced SJWs that you’re cool by issuing a bunch of self-flaggelating apologies to them begging for understanding, but you still ACTIVELY taunt them on ROK and Twitter, and no one really gives a shit.

    Surely you can see the similarities between yours and Julien’s situation.

    @CJ_W
    “Nothing. I actually stopped reading that guy’s long rant when he started getting mad at RvF, at that point you know that he doesn’t know. . .thing is HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW, that he doesn’t know.”

    Oh I know. I’ve been in pickup before Roosh had a blog and before CH existed. But I don’t expect you to read my shit. You’ve made up your mind, I wouldn’t expect you to listen to reason or do research or use your critical thinking skills just like I don’t expect an SJW to.

    “so yeah just “freeze” yarly out, he’s not a person worthy of respect anymore”

    lol

    “while we take the high road”

    You call that thread the high road? Really? Show me a single article where Tyler shits on you guys. He doesn’t, because he takes the high road himself. But as soon as the chips are down, in come the fucking bitter Manosphere guys to try to take their piece of flesh out of him. I don’t run a company thought, so I have no problem expressing my thoughts lol

    “AND point people in our community in the right direction. i.e. good game, self improvement, money improvement, etc.”

    This is exactly what I’m talking about. I literally posted like 5 videos from RSD about getting out of depression and improving your mindsets and outlooks on life in one of these threads. RSD covers all that self improvement and money and exercise shit. Tyler had fucking Elliot Hulse as a guest recently.

    It blows my mind how not only deliberately obtuse guys like you can be, but how you fucking REVEL in it. Like you’re proud of your ignorance because it gets you clique approval. It’s ridiculous. And you’re supposed to represent what a red pill man should be? Someone who’s too lazy to do research and spouts off shit that’s EASY to verify as wrong, and sticks his head in the sand saying “let’s kick that guy out, let’s make our hugbox tighter and not think at all!!!”

    I’m embarrassed for you, that you could spend so much time engaging the red pill and still have these kinds of thought processes.

    @runsonmagic
    “Even with twitter down I wonder… at what point will RSD respond? If their YouTube gets taken down? If they have to switch hosting companies? If more live events get shut down? If their visas get revoked? If someone gets a false harassment or rape accusation?”

    In order: 1) there’s on point while the lynch mob is on hate mode and if the bad press stops by the time they’ve calmed down then why respond at all? 2) Vimeo, the THOUSANDS of other video hosting services around the world, putting them on DVDs, torrents linking the videos directly (it’s the internet so guaranteed there are at least a few hundred guys who’ve saved every RSD video ever made to their computer). 3) what does that take, a day? Two max? PirateBay is still running, do you really think the SJWs are going to take down RSD if PirateBay is still going?? 4) They just test-ran live-streaming seminars and will probably explore that more if it gets bad but do you really think the SJWs are going to hound them for years and be picketing outside every event? 5) This is so unlikely to begin with…like, seriously. Do you think Julien is going to get banned from the entire world because he said some offensive things and did some kino?? Mike Tyson was convicted of raping a chick and he’s running around making guest appearances in movies lol 6) That’s a danger ANYONE doing pickup risks…hell, that’s a danger anyone in the vicinity of GIRLS risks these days. That’s a danger that someone who’s never even been AROUND a girl faces these days (“oh I was raped by some big dude with a beard…what you found one? uhh ya, that’s him sure”). Ask any guy in California on a university campus.

    “You can’t freeze out the world.”

    No one’s ever tried it before lol That’s why this is so funny to me. Only Tyler would be insane enough to try it.

    “That said… RSD isn’t a media company. They’re a bootcamp and program company. They could hypothetically get their twitter, FB page, and all social media accounts shutdown and not have it affect their bottom line.”

    Well that’s kind of the point, isn’t it? They are exactly what you guys talk about in your forum about working for yourselves and building a self-sufficient business where you don’t answer to anyone. That’s exactly what Tyler’s made. The money goes directly from his students into his pockets. Julien’s Twitter feed was literally just a bunch of nonsense offensive (hilarious, Google them sometime) Tweets, he wasn’t pulling in dozens of students with it. The only people FOLLOWING his feed are probably already into RSD to begin with.

    Like, fuck, think about this LOGICALLY and RATIONALLY guys.

    “They think it’s going to blow over. It’s not.”

    This is the internet. Everyone moves on after a few days. No one is writing about Kony anymore, no one is writing about Tiger Woods cheating, no one is writing about Kanye dissing Taylor Swift anymore, no one is writing about Weinergate. No one is even writing about Sam Pepper anymore.

    “Every article ever written about RSD here-out will reference #takedownjulienblanc.”

    lol how many articles do you think get written about RSD? Before THIS event, maybe like, 5? 6? MAYBE. lol Even IF every article referenced it, who’s reading those articles? Either guys who are curious about pickup and have already figured out that mainstream society’s views don’t really benefit them because they’re still a 25yo virgin who will click a few RSD links to check out their material and decide for themselves and see all the useful high-quality content and go “hmm ok maybe that guy was a dick but I like this other instructor and this stuff makes sense to me”, or it’s SJWs/Feminists looking to get outraged that weren’t going to buy products or take bootcamps anyway.

    Everyone is running around like chickens with their head cut off. Just stop, take a breath, and think this through.

    “But if you read Tyler’s actual response, it is weak, rambling, and he says things to the effect that even if RSD goes down because of this, he’ll be fine, etc. It sounds pretty pathetic.”

    It’s a gay response, but he’s making valid points. The media wants their story. Search for #takedownjulienblanc right now and all it is is retweets of the “how the SJWs took down the evil pickup artist and won!!!” articles. They got their full range of emotions, they found a monster, attacked it, defeated it, and now they’ll run off proclaiming their victory.

    @Dismal Operator
    “The video itself just comes off to me as a giant troll video. I don’t see how one can come to the conclusion that his or RSD’s core tenets of game is literally to walk up to girls and shove their heads in your crotch while screaming Pikachu.”

    YOU WOULD THINK lol but read that RVF thread. That’s literally what half the guys there think RSD teaches. It’s so painful to even read, not because I wanna give Julien a BJ but because I look at you guys and think “you’re SO on point with all your red pill shit and you just completely drop the ball when shit hits the fan like this and revert to the silliest id-based “HE SEEMS LIKE A POOPY HEAD AND I DON’T LIKE RSD AND THEY PROBABLY DO PROMOTE RAPE!!!!”. Like, of ALL places I would expect you guys to be the ones going “lol shit this is just like when the media shits on Roosh for trolling them lol”

    You guys (not all of you, there are a few sane voices in the crowd) are literally doing what SJWs do. “Let’s toss out all rational thought and just go with the most offensive narrative to stoke our outrage!”…while being the exact guys who condemn SJWs when THEY do that. And you don’t seem to see the cognitive dissonance.

    “I’d wager that most of the people who were at that event forgot about that particular ‘advice,’ let alone rushed into Tokyo nightclubs en masse actually doing it.”

    This. Do you guys think newbies are out there running up choking girls as an opener just because Julien made jokes about it (possibly with disclaimers that we didn’t see in the two minute long video)?? Newbies are scared shitless to even go INTO the bar, let alone go up and say “hi, you’re adorable I had to meet you”. Do you really think they’re running in shouting “TIME TO CHOKE A BITCH!! PIKACHUUUUUUUU!!!!” and strangling women left and right?

    “The issue is that SJWs can take that video and go ‘SEE THIS WHAT THESE PUAS TEACH!!!’ and then tar everyone who has even so much as written a forum post somewhere about ‘game’ with the same brush.”

    Exactly. That was the point of my Joker paraphrasing in the original post. You guys are exactly the same shit-pile PUAs are, even if you want to think you’re “better” and have “real game” and have your custom fitted suits with matching pocket squares. Watching you shit on Julien and RSD is like watching the guy in prison for murder condemning the guy in prison for two murders and actively fueling the hate campaign against him lol

    “There’s no room for a nuanced argument”

    Pretty sure this is the basis of Tyler’s strategy. He may address this down the road when things have calmed down, but he knows he’s not going to talk his way out of a lynching. Sometimes at the bar you let the group of drunk angry overprotective AMOGs take the girl from you and just walk away shrugging, it’s no big deal unless you have a stick up your ass about “bro you looked like a bitch bro, what about your street cred, you should’ve just punched that group of 10 dudes whatever man you’re a bitch” in which case you probably have some more red pill reading to do about ego-preservation lol


    • YaReally
      on November 11, 2014 at 2:20 am
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      @Kate
      pffft, try telling Amy that.

      @Rockstar Steve
      ya, I lurk there once in a while ’cause I like to read different people’s perspectives (especially on a topic like this). I skim/listen to everything from MRA sites to MGTOW sites to feminist shit, TRP, RVF, etc. I’m big into consuming information and can listen to audio while I work so while other people are watching reality TV or playing XBox or watching cute kitten videos on YouTube, I just absorb this stuff because I think social dynamics and human psychology is fascinating in general (I was interested in it even before I got into pickup and found out I could get laid from it lol).

      I don’t think they realize that they’ve become the “close off our community bubble from outsider-think and doggy-pile anyone who disagrees as being a shill without addressing any of their points” club the SJWs are, but I get that it’s hard to tell when you’re inside the bubble. I don’t have my own blog/board because I’m lazy and I don’t want to lock myself down into group-think. I know that a bunch of guys here will debate my points and force me to be able to defend and be able to explain them, that’s a good thing. If RSD puts out something I don’t agree with, I’ll happily disagree with it. If another company puts out something I think is valuable, I’ll happily link it for people to get use out of. But acknowledging that I link lots of other shit doesn’t fit the narrative that I’m an RSD shill, so I know they’ll ignore that.

      “BTW, if you want a laugh YaReally, check their forum thread on this whole RSD shitfest, it’s basically a whole load of circle-jerking. Some guy posted your comment, and everyone started tossing ad hominems left and right without addressing a single thing you said.”

      lol ya I saw. The reality is even when I was writing it I didn’t actually expect any of them to read what I wrote, it’s a million pages long and I know from the start that they aren’t actually open to a logical discussion. They’re doing the same thing the media is doing with Tyler, just enjoying being outraged.

      I write that stuff because it’s interesting to me, I type fast as fuck, I have sick time-management skills (from learning to juggle pickup and a full-time job) to be able to write posts that long, and there are always a few lurkers around who like reading as much as I do or people who think the same thoughts they do and actually WANT to hear some possible answers, and actually will go through it all and enjoy the read. It’s kind of like Tyler’s long videos where he knows they’re appealing to a niche audience…if you’re interested in what I talk about then you get a huge dump of interesting content to consume…if you’re not interested in what I talk about then that’s cool, go do your thing lol

      Also, the 90% cut of RSD’s profits that Tyler gives me helps. brb, gotta’ go give him a blow-J.

      (for the record I actually like some of the dudes on RVF. I listen to Christian McQueen’s podcast while I work and I lol at Return of Kings. I just think they’ve gotten very myopic in their little bubble (“our game good, other game baaaaad!”), have a lot of unfortunate limiting beliefs and proudly stick to their comfort zones instead of experimenting to break those limiting beliefs (how about a no-suits-no-bling-month, gentlemen?) and have become more about patting eachother on the back than really improving their skills)



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YaReally
on November 8, 2014 at 11:28 am
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“It would be like me just standing there and expecting her to blow me just for existing.”

Shit you mean I’ve been doing it wrong??

On JulienGate, if you read between the lines of how RSD is handling it, Tyler is basically doing a Freeze Out on the ENTIRE WORLD lol. His response to it is basically exactly what CH has been discussing about handling people who love drama: he’s saying “ok no one wants an actual discussion, so there’s nothing for me to bother responding to. The SJWs just want to be outraged, not to actually hear our side of it, so oh well let them have their witch hunting fun and when they run out of steam because we aren’t feeding them by responding or fighting back or defending ourselves, we can either talk to them at that point or continue doing our thing while they run off to start their next twitter campaign against the next big outrage of the week.”

This is basically a huge Soft Next or Freeze Out lol. Same shit Ceaser does where he won’t pet the dog while the dog is out of control excited…he ignores the dog until it’s calmed down and THEN he rewards it with his attention.

Same with the attention whore type chicks: they come at you with drama about being mad at you and you just don’t respond because they don’t actually want a rational logical discussion with you they just want to get their drama fix but they’ll calm down as long as you don’t feed it. If you engage their drama it’ll keep going because you’re giving them fuel. Then they’ll move on to the next big drama of the week in their lives.

Julien hasn’t responded at all he’s gone total ghost. Same deal, just a huge freeze out. If he tried defending himself or engaging them or tooling them they would have fuel to keep the outrage machine going (“look what this misogynist scumlord has said about his actions!!”)

I don’t know why but I just think it’s fucking funny that the way Tyler is handling this is to run a standard freeze out on EVERYONE lol like he’s an evil villain cackling to himself “first I’ll freeze out these bar girls…next, I freeze out THE ENTIRE WORLD!!” When space travel picks up, Tyler will use game to conquer the galaxy and bang hot alien chicks.

The steam from this (search RSDJulien mentions on twitter) is already dying down. Tyler figures it’s about a 10 day news cycle these days and then it’s over. There might be a little damage done like Aussies may have to travel to attend a bootcamp and RSD is already experimenting with streaming free tour events so people could attend from the safety and comfort of their own home.

Julien may have to lay low for a bit but being the most hated misogynist 50 Shades style pickup instructor in the world will probably get him laid. Knowing Julien, he’ll probably TELL girls at the bar to google him on their phones while he’s talking to them and get laid from the notoriety since women love the bad boy.

But RSD isn’t going anywhere. It’s been fun to watch the panic tho. And to watch red pill guys condemn julien without watching all he (and the rest of RSD’s) content to see what they’re really teaching and the context of the choking shit and taking julien’s offensive twitter/Facebook self-amusement at face value instead of lol’ing at shit like “I like my women like I like my cell phone. Broken.” It’s like half the Manosphere is a bunch of secret-SJWs who don’t go out and have been having fun roleplaying being a “player” online but all it took was one little twitter campaign for those people to jump on board the SJW outrage machine.

To the Manosphere in general and especially the RVF: “Don’t talk like you’re one of the socially approved good guys, you’re not. Even if you’d LIKE to have the MSM’s approval. To them, you’re just misogynistic shitlords, like Julien. Your red pill philosophy…it’s a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. You’re only as red pill as the SJWs allow you to be. When the chips are down, these red pill guys? The ones who are supposed to live outside of society’s bullshit conditioning and trivial outrage over the cold hard shiv of what actually works? They’ll eat eachother, writing hit-pieces and angry forum posts condemning other red pill guys (especially with competing pickup products where there’s a financial gain to tearing them down), and joining the SJWs in slandering people based on third and fourth hand bite-size biased summaries instead of doing thorough research and deciding what to think for themselves.”

hmmm okay that quote got a little convoluted lol

A lot of guys are only red pill until shit hits the fan. Then it’s “how can I get society’s approval??” Same guys who end up caving to the peer pressure to get married after writing a bunch of anti-marriage articles. This is why I call the Manosphere PUA-Lite…it’s the safety-scissors version of pickup lol real talk but not TOO real incase the SJWs don’t approve.

I’m not saying newbies should go out and choke girls, but neither is Julien. You (and the dipshit newbies who try that) would know that if you had watched his hours and hours of free content instead of getting your opinion from outrage clickbait and running with it.

I also think it’s pretty revealing who’s in pickup to genuinely help guys and who’s in it for the eCeleb status/money and “belong to a group” clique mentality when guys celebrate the loss of useful content that helps men change their lives and take control of their sex life in this society that constantly tries to prevent that. If you think Julien/RSD videos are all just teaching guys to do uncibrated mass spam approaching and don’t cover topics like success in business and taking care of your health and hitting the gym and learning to calibrate and learning when to back off or modify your game for the situation etc and that all their content is under $3000 lockdowns, then you haven’t watched enough of their vids…which is understandable since they have probably hundreds of hours of high quality free content up as a company for guys to learn from and you have more important things to do than research the things you talk about, you gotta make sure your pocket square is at a specific 27 degree angle in your custom fitted suit so your clique approves.

I would be the first one in line to oppose Day Bang being removed by SJWs, even if I don’t like the author. Men need red pill content to turn their lives around, that’s more important than petty Internet clique doggy-pile-ons.

But hey, Tyler is probably paying me to say this just like he pays all the girls in his in-field videos lol


  • holisticgame
    on November 9, 2014 at 2:11 pm
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    Fucking dead on brother, as always. We need to have you on the podcast. If you’re down sometime, hit me up holisticgame (at) gmail


    • YaReally
      on November 10, 2014 at 1:56 am
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      No voice for me, text keeps me anonymous. But feel free to post some questions if you have any, always happy to answer shit.

      Good stuff on sexual escalation, my fav topic, on your last podcast. I do most of the shit you were talking about, seeding the interaction with sexual topics early is key and the stuff you’re talking about where you test the waters is important…if you can show her you have the self-control to back off, she’s much more trusting that you’ll back off if she gets uncomfortable later and she’ll be more adventurous because she feels like she can trust you to calibrate…breaking the kiss first, or tugging her hair as you nibble her neck then let go, or choking her lightly for a second then backing off to touch other parts of her and gauging her response for whether she liked it tells you whether you should push it or not and tells her that you’re concerned about how she feels.

      I balance rough sex out with cuddling after, to let her know that that was all just fun sexual roleplay (and to avoid Buyer’s Remorse), and while we cuddle I like to ask her if there was anything she liked and wanted to try more of and anything she wasn’t a fan of so I can explore her personal kinks further or tone shit she isn’t into down. Like I’ve said before, girls don’t come back to me for my 6-pack abs and BMW lol They come back because I give them better sex than other guys can and it has nothing to do with thrusting away like a jackrabbit for an hour (I’m too out of shape for that lol).

      Didn’t hear you guys address sub-comms or eye contact on the sexual escalation topic. Add the shit in this video to your game if you aren’t already doing it, demos start about 12 minutes into it but the first speech is good for general mindset shit:

      The stuff he does in this builds massive sexual tension. I don’t slow my speech down as much as him ’cause I’m a talkative guy but I add pauses. Keys are laser eye-contact, slow down your talking (let pauses linger), and cut the space (the further you get into her space the more sexual tension it creates).

      And skip to 26 minutes into this one for the same concepts with a demo by Gambler (the rest of the clip is cool, but his stuff with the girl from 26 minutes on is the key, pay particular attention to when he cuts the space on her while she’s talking, you’ve probably done this by luck before):

      These two vids super-charged the fuck out of my sexual escalation game. I don’t even bother with kino now, I can build enough sexual tension just with this that I don’t need it. It can get around needing to talk over loud music too. Great for using on staff (waitresses etc.) and in groups where you can’t blatantly kino, and when you get stuck on dates where you have to sit across from eachother (I actually prefer to sit across from the girl now, I used to sit beside them to kino but I find this is better). If you’re a smoker, bum a cigarette and do it while you and the girl smoke. Also good for older guys like me who aren’t congruent with the high-energy high-fiving handshake-spin-the-girl shit anymore. I’m not at the stage where I’m so old I have to just chill on a barstool in a lounge sipping a glass of scotch and flirt with the girl on the stool next to me, but when I hit that stage this shit is going to be what makes the difference.

      Anyway, Gambler’s point is key: “if you want to know if what you’re doing builds sexual tension, imagine doing it to a guy-friend. If it would be too weird, it builds sexual tension.”

      If you look your dude-buddy in the eye and talk about like, football, that’s normal communication…but if you look eachother in the eye and slow down your speech into that bedroom voice tone and add pauses, it feels pretty gay even if you’re still talking about football, and if you then move closer and cut the space as you do that getting your faces closer and closer, it feels SUPER FUCKING GAY despite the fact that you haven’t actually touched him and aren’t even talking about sexual topics.

      But do that to a GIRL, and add in sexual topics (and if you’re close to her go for your hands on her hips to pull her in like you already do), and she’ll cream herself. Skip to 1:30 and note how when he slowly closes that gap is when the tension fully skyrockets:

      If you cover winging like you were saying you might, plz mention splitting the set and turning the girls away from eachother to mentally isolate them into two one-on-one conversations (where you can apply the laser eyes shit I just linked). If I see one more group of 2 guys talking to 2 girls all facing eachother like a happy little hugbox at the bar, I’m going to fucking cry lol If those guys only knew how much of a difference taking a circle-strafe step to the side would make for their results…


  • Randy the Random
    on November 9, 2014 at 6:40 pm
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    YaReally dawg you know I’m a big fan of your, Roosh and Tyler, so hear me out. if

    What Roosh took issue with is the perception of Redpill men that’s being demonstrated by Julien’s behavior. Obviously, as an individual, we shouldn’t give two shits about what another man does, to each his own. BUT, if we ever want feminist laws to be repealed (Title IX, divorce rape, custody, unequal legal outcomes, etc.), we have to start thinking ahead.

    Julien is well within his right to chokeslam and suplex any bitch he wants. But as a coach for one of the biggest dating companies, whether he likes it or not, he will be used as an example of the Redpill man. If Ron Paul fucked goats, you can’t just say “dude, the guy’s politics are stellar just ignore his goat fucking.” That’s not how humans work, and its not how society works.

    Roosh, myself and many redpill guys are worried about our future. Our LEGAL future. No matter how much we freeze out, we can’t ignore the fucking cops and judges. Julien got deported from Australia by the fucking Minister of Immigration. That’s some Bond-villian shit right there, all for playing rough with girls? This is EXACTLY what Roosh and Redpillers are worried about. And Julien isn’t helping our case.

    We need to transition Redpill into a political movement, so we can repeal these fucking insane laws. Look at the Canadian Association For Equality as an example. These guys are trying hard, and they have to be diplomatic. They still get fucking aggro feminists yelling and screaming at them, but they’re slowly making progress. This is what we gotta do.

    So for the greater goal, we have to expect our community leaders to just fly under the radar a bit and put on a good front just like a politician. Obviously, knowing Julien and how big of an attention whore he is (nothing wrong with that btw it gets him laid), that may be hard. BUT we still have to try.

    Look at this this way, do you think Obama is gonna go to town swearing and cursing at some KKK guy for calling him a nigger? No, he’ll deal with it diplomatically, cause he’s the fucking POTUS. He has to act like it. Conversely, Redpill guys gotta start acting more like James Bond, and less like Jack the Ripper if we want to get these laws changed.


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 11:51 pm
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      @Randy the Random
      No disrespect intended here, I’m on a good ranting session tonight but don’t intend to be personally offensive or anything and appreciate the dialogue lol:

      “What Roosh took issue with is the perception of Redpill men that’s being demonstrated by Julien’s behavior.”

      What exactly do you guys think the perception of red pill men IS? Has Jezebel ever written an article praising Roosh? You guys are the bottom of society, you just don’t realize it.

      And if that’s the issue, what the fuck is Return of Kings?? Like, are you kidding me? Do you think “5 Reasons To Date A Girl With An Eating Disorder” and “fat shaming week” are painting red pill guys in an admirable light?

      Can you guys not see the cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy here?

      “BUT, if we ever want feminist laws to be repealed (Title IX, divorce rape, custody, unequal legal outcomes, etc.), we have to start thinking ahead.”

      Again I could point to Return of Kings, but MRAs can handle that shit. No one has called Julien an advocate for MRAs, or even red pill really, they expressly call him a PUA over and over. The only reputation being destroyed is PUAs, and PUAs have been shit on since the beginning of time, even by the Manosphere and MRAs and TheRedPill (despite the fact that 90% of the shit you all study is just regurgitated from PUAs in the first place).

      PUAs are fine with being the bottom of society. The less attention people pay to us, the better. We like being underground…our shit works, men who want to learn it discover it, and good game is invisible. We don’t need MSM approval, you can’t shove game down guys’ throats without heavily watering it down. RSD and PUA in general is tailored to the guys who are at rock bottom and looking for help and no longer care about social approval. We’re not trying to get “10 funky ways to land that girl of your dreams” articles on Gawker. We write what works, and if people are ready to hear it they’ll find it.

      It’s like shitting on MGTOWs. MGTOWs don’t care if you hate on them, they’re MGTOW, they’ve given up mainstream acceptance of their views and lifestyle a looooong time ago. They present their information for other men who need answers to find and spread it through word of mouth. Sandman isn’t trying to get an article up on Maxim.com about MGTOW.

      You guys are the ones striving to somehow get Jezebel to praise Return of Kings’ fat-shaming articles. MRAs are the only ones who have even a SHOT at mainstream acceptance (and they’re doing great, massive props to them) and MRAs hate the FUCK out of TRP/Manosphere/PUAs.

      “Julien is well within his right to chokeslam and suplex any bitch he wants.”

      shhh, don’t give him ideas.

      “This is EXACTLY what Roosh and Redpillers are worried about. And Julien isn’t helping our case.”

      Do you run around identifying yourself by name and photo as a pickup artist? If you do, you’re insane. First rule of Fight Club.

      How are the Return of Kings articles helping our case? How is all the race-baiting shit in the Manosphere helping?

      You guys are freaking out because someone ELSE is trolling the media instead of you, and that scares you because you don’t have control over what he does or how he handles it.

      “We need to transition Redpill into a political movement, so we can repeal these fucking insane laws.”

      No disrespect intended but do you even comprehend how insane that is? Do you think RVF is going to be the group that gets family courts to give men a fair shake on child custody and child support? Do you think anyone on TRP on Reddit is going to get courts to stop allowing divorce-rape? Do you think all the “men want to fuck 16 year olds it’s biological” articles on the Manosphere is going to make anyone stop viewing all men as potential pedophiles?

      Have you guys been sitting in your RVF hugbox for SO long that you don’t even realize how you’re perceived across the rest of the Internet? Like I don’t even want to pick on specific guys from the RVF community who’s photos/vids I’ve seen because I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but if you guys don’t realize how you look to the mainstream, I don’t even know what to tell you.

      “Look at the Canadian Association For Equality as an example. These guys are trying hard, and they have to be diplomatic. They still get fucking aggro feminists yelling and screaming at them, but they’re slowly making progress. This is what we gotta do.”

      “So for the greater goal, we have to expect our community leaders to just fly under the radar a bit and put on a good front just like a politician.”

      Like I say, when you guys are demanding a takedown of Return of Kings and books called “Bang Iceland” and all the race-baiting in the Manosphere, I’ll take these claims about how diplomatic we have to be more seriously.

      “Conversely, Redpill guys gotta start acting more like James Bond, and less like Jack the Ripper if we want to get these laws changed.”

      The problem with your guys’ perspective is that you still don’t realize that you are the ONLY ONES who view your community as international playboy James Bonds. I’m not trying to be mean here, but there is no one saying “wow that Julien guy seems like a shit-head, but those RVF guys who fly to foreign countries and take advantage of the poor destitute women there swinging their rich white male privilege around because they can’t get real American women, seem like stand-up gentlemen we should admire and praise!”

      You’re the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world, just like Julien, just like CH, just like me…you just haven’t accepted that reality yet.


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 11:53 pm
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      @Randy the Random
      Got some big ol’ replies for you and the RVF crew (hi Faust!) in mod addressing all your guys’ points. Check back in a day or two whenever CH approves them, I’m going to bed lol


  • YaReally
    on November 9, 2014 at 11:24 pm
    Original Link

    I have entirely too much time on my hands tonight cause a fuckbuddy flaked on me so here we go lol:

    @Faust

    Yo. lol

    “What’s interesting though is that his complaint reveals the weakness of this “Freeze-Out” strategy. I watched the video, and I’ve seen the quotes, and I can’t come up with any kind of context that would make this behavior acceptable (or legal). But it’s also possible that I’m missing something, and I’d be willing to hear that argument. ”

    If you want to get into legalities, half of pickup is “illegal”. Touching a girl’s lower back in the bar as you talk to her, without her express consent beforehand? I’m not a lawyer so I can’t say that that’s for sure sexual assault, but I don’t think it would be much of a stretch for an SJW to claim it is…let alone motorboating a girl or escalating sexually on her when she’s being coy and you both know it’s on but objectively in a court of law what you’re doing is sexually touching/escalating without her express consent beforehand.

    When people go to a bar they expect to probably get touched a bit, but if the girl decides afterward that she’s not cool with touching that she may have been cool with a few minutes ago when it happened (but since then you’ve pissed her off), that touching you were doing is probably “illegal”. It would be silly to get up in arms about it, but that’s what SJWs do, blow shit way out of proportion into full sperg-land. Witness the outrage over Simple Pickup’s charity attempts that involve (even with full consent) motorboating girls or having them ride sybians for charity.

    So if you can justify touching a girl’s lower back when you talk to her, then technically Julien’s shit can be justified the same way: if you’re cool and calibrated and the girl is attracted, it’s fine and she’ll enjoy it. Even if you cross a line too soon, if you back off and apologize but keep gaming and smooth things over to show that you’re aware you crossed a boundary, then often it’s fine and the girl is attracted and you can cross that line again later in the interaction and she enjoys it.

    Tyler has mentioned on RSDN that in the full footage, the girls Julien is messing with love it and giggle and and ask to kiss him afterward etc. and that Julien purposely edited the video to not show those parts to make himself look as bad as possible to try to get MSM attention. Is that true? I don’t know, I can’t say Tyler isn’t full of shit. But I know:

    1) Often stuff that looks totally “wrong” to people who don’t have field experience doing it with positive results, actually works and the girls enjoy it. Witness this complete nonsense, where a virginy SJW starts a white knight campaign to defend this poor girl from an entertaining motorboat and gets smacked the fuck down by her. “get away from ur computer screen and meet a girl” lol:

    Half the guys in a bar are just seething with bitter rage at the “assholes” talking to girls and think everything those guys do is morally reprehensible. But when you’re calibrated and experienced, you understand when you can push boundaries.

    2) Julien describes his choke in his videos and he doesn’t go up trying to strangle girls to death. He says he goes in with his hand really slow so they have plenty of time to back away or ask “wtf” and he brushes it off, and he just goes in super slowly and isn’t even really choking them, he’s just putting his hand around their neck while they giggle. If they freak out he backs off, if they don’t and they’re going “omg you’re crazy lolol” and smiling it’s probably ’cause they’re one of the billion women who just read 50 Shades of Grey. lol Julien has calibration, and he tells guys not to do what he’s doing especially if they’re newbies.

    3) Julien has been trolling the MSM and Feminists for like a year+ now. He’s constantly been trying to get their attention by being as offensive as possible and trying to make himself out to be a monster. Even his first big in-field footage release was purposely edited to make him look like a huge asshole (telling one girl he’s walking home with “I never do this” and then cutting to a scene of him having a 3-way makeout at the bar, etc.). That’s been his gimmick for a while. So editing a video in that manner to play up his “evilness” wouldn’t be unusual for Julien. Even the titles of his videos and his marketing for Pimp has been purposely as “in your face” offensive as possible because it gets attention (in this case a bit too much lol)

    So I can’t say that the girls DID all react well after the initial shock of what’s going on…but I can’t say that they didn’t.

    So then the question is: “Well if they have video of these girls’ reactions afterward and they’re positive, why don’t they just release the full footage and end all this?”

    I don’t have an answer for that and them not releasing it weighs pretty heavily on the “because those girls DIDN’T enjoy it” side of things…but given how the SJW media shit-storms work, logically even if he DID release that footage: would anyone BELIEVE it now that they’ve already decided he’s guilty? Look at the “internalized misogyny” rationalization SJWs use to explain how women who say they aren’t oppressed just don’t REALIZE they’re oppressed. Look at the “a girl can have sex with you and go on 3 more dates and fuck you for a month and take you to her family dinner for christmas but then decide a year later that the sex was non-consensual and it was rape and she was just under a cloud of terror and shock and was acting irrationally and don’t tell ME how a woman would react when she’s raped, you mansplainer!!!”

    I mean with those Simple Pickup charity videos, where they VERY CLEARLY had womens’ consent, the SJWs were up in arms saying the women only consented because of the pressure of having a camera on them. They let a man physically assault them because they were scared of being judged on camera as “no fun”. They used the same arguements on the fucking “ride a sybian in public for charity” video. They actually think a woman would be SO terrified by the fear of telling some skinny kids with a videocamera asking if they’d like to ride a sybian to raise money for charity “No.” that they got on a giant vibrating dildo in the middle of a public street and rode it just to avoid the fear and terror of saying no.

    The charity rejected that money too, btw. Fucking amazing.

    Anyway, so if the SJWs can rationalize shit like THAT, can you imagine them ever saying “oh well now that we’ve seen the video of these other girls, we take back everything we said! Give Julien his VISA back! We’ll buy him a beer when he comes to Australia”? Has an SJW **EVER** admitted they were wrong about ANYTHING?

    Look at Sam Pepper. The dude released a 3 part video series with the first part being about men harrassing women, the second part being women harrassing men, and the third part explaining that it was a social experiment to see how the internet would react because as has been shown thru other experiments no one gives a fuck about sexual harrassment when a cute girl does it.

    But what happened? The SJWs launched their attack and despite him SHOWING extra clips of the girls from his video to SHOW that they were actors who knew what was going on, the SJWs got that shit taken down/deleted and spun their narrative over top of it and said retarded shit like “well if he REALLY knew them then why does he just have extra video of them smiling and waving at the camera instead of them expressly saying to the camera “I was cool with this it was a prank I was aware of ahead of time”??? If they didn’t do that then he’s LYING!! And I only see *2* of the girls from the video, so the OTHER 5 were clearly all actually sexual assault!!!”

    Like there is literally no winning with them. They will do insane mental loops to stick to their conclusion.

    So if you’re Tyler, and you’re sitting on footage of the girls liking Julien, and you watched the Sam Pepper and Simple Pickup shitstorms go down, and you know any communication you make with the media will simply fuel the hate train (even if a few SJWs were convinced, another 1000 of them would find a way to be further outraged)…you might say “ehh, you know what, fuck it. It’s not worth prolonging this. Let’s just let this thing die off.”

    Again, I can’t say one way or another, and it would be great if in a month Julien returned with a video of him banging all those girls, but I don’t think anyone who’s done pickup can say they haven’t done stuff with positive results that lame beta guys and feminists would be in an uproar over, so I can’t throw him under the bus on this one that easily.

    “And Julian’s too much of a coward to defend his own teachings. He’s gone total radio silence.”

    How many black dudes talked their way out of being hung by a lynch mob back in the old days? Sure, to convince some people on the fence it could be good to release statements or engage all this…but is another month of an angry mob writing articles and contacting embassies with their already-decided conclusions going to be worth trying to get YOU to say “ya, okay I get it now”?

    Is there ANY scenario you see in your mind, like think about this logically and rationally, where RSD could be painted as “good guys” by the SJW/feminist/MSM? There is NOTHING they can do. Even if Julien showed videos of the convenience store girl sucking his dick behind the counter, the SJWs would just latch onto one of the other multitude of things RSD has said that they can spin up more outrage over.

    There is NO way they would EVER get the mainstream writing a dozen “you know, we misjudged these RSD fellows, they’re actually pretty cool!” articles and people tweeting #iheartRSD on Twitter. It’s not possible.

    You’re asking a lump of stinky poop to try to convince people that it’s actually just old rotting meat. PUA knows it’s at the bottom of the barrel in society’s mind and will always be there so why attempt to fight back when everyone’s in the middle of their rage-gasm? Maybe address it in a month or two when things settle down, maybe have Julien come back all reformed, who knows, but right now there is really no benefit to prolonging this.

    “I’ll open the floor to any of his defenders who want to clear this up for me. How was this quote taken out of context?
    “When you go to Tokyo….if you’re a white male, you can do what you want. Just grab her, pull her in. She’ll giggle. Just say PIKACHU or POKEMON or something to take the pressure off. I’m romping through the streets (of Tokyo) just grabbing girls and it’s like (motions) head on dick (pfft) head on dick, yelling ‘PIKACHU’ with a Pikachu shirt on….Every foreigner who is white does this. When you see that one foreigner in the crowd in Tokyo and your eyes will lock and you know that he knows and he knows that and it’s this guilty look like you both fucked a hooker or something.””

    He’s just trolling. For all anyone knows he ran disclaimers before and after that part of his talk, like he normally does. There are lots of vids where Julien stresses not to do half this stuff and not to be socially retarded and to calibrate.

    Put it this way, which is more likely:

    1) that a guy who’s been trying to goad the media into coming after him for a year+ edited a speech and some in-field footage of his to come off super controversial leaving out disclaimers and just showing the most outrageous parts trying to get Jezebel’s attention to write a hate article on him like they did for Jeffy that he’s been documented as being jealous of?

    Or 2) he’s actually decided to teach men to just go around raping women and no one at RSD is like “maybe that’s not a good seminar to teach, buddy” and he’s just gone so insane that he’s running around with a videocamera shouting “I can rape anything I want on film and there will be no consequences to this!!!”?

    I mean, MAYBE it’s number 2…but in my mind a person would have to have a pretty strong hate-on for Julien to make that leap lol

    “What was the “context” of him grabbing and kissing an unwilling girl at a cash register, like we see in the first part of the video?”

    Well, let’s take a look instead of relying on third and fourth-hand information:

    At 2:35 he does it 3 times. The only part he shows is the actual pushing down part and it’s one girl and then a second girl twice. The guy beside the first girl doesn’t seem to give a fuck and that first girl is smiling before he does it. Maybe he just randomly grabbed a random girl and sexually assaulted her and no one cares and it was completely out of the blue……orrrrr maybe he was talking to her already, and that’s why she’s smiling and the guy is cool with him fucking around, and she’s attracted so he knows he can do it and he cut the footage as soon as he pushes her head down instead of showing her smiling and laughing after because that doesn’t fit the trolling narrative he’s trying to bait the SJWs into.

    Which is more logical? Would you stand around while someone randomly walks by a girl you’re with (say your sister) and grabs her head and pushes it into his crotch? Of course not. But you might stand around if her boyfriend (or in this case a guy who’s been flirting with the girl) who you know she’s attracted to and you’re cool with was making her laugh and then pushed it down joking with her play-wrestling. You’d probably lol like this guy does and she’d probably be smiling.

    Now the girl with the short hair in the club, he pushes her head down to his crotch. He does it twice, from her standing. That means that after the first time, she had every opportunity to walk away, but didn’t. We can assume that the first clip of him doing it to her is the first time because she’s smiling (if the clips are out of order and had just been sexually assaulted with that 2nd head push actually coming first, she probably wouldn’t be smiling when he does it this time). So he did it once and then she’s still hanging out with him (who knows how much time passed between the first push and the second, but they’ve changed body positions so it could be anywhere from 10 seconds to 20 minutes, who knows), and you can’t see her face on the second time. Maybe she’s smiling and laughing, she’s been hanging out with him and hasn’t screamed or called a bouncer over and no one around them seems to give a fuck.

    Even if she’s polite, or just thinks he’s crazy, she was perfectly able to leave him. If a girl is into you, you can do stuff like this and it’s “omg you’re such an asshole lolol” and they love you. It’s like play-wrestling. Now maybe Japanese society is *SO POLITE* that nobody there cares if someone is just raping girls in the middle of a club and not even bouncers care or anything and girls will just stand around him letting him rape them over and over instead of walking away.

    …orrrrrr maybe there’s a bit more before and after this clip, where Julien has been flirting with the girl and knows he can do something like this and she’ll like it but it makes a great addition to the “troll the mainstream media to look like a monster” narrative he’s been forming for a year+.

    Cashier girl, he’s clearly whispering in her ear, you can see his cheeks moving and he’s positioned to be in her ear. At MOST he tries to nibble her neck. That’s a far cry from what people are describing it as and the clip starts when he’s already in there. For all anyone knows from the editing, he could’ve been flirting it up with her for a couple minutes prior. The girl in the background is giggling away. Has Japan seen so much tentacle porn that they’ll watch completely unwarranted rape assaults and just giggle? No one will say or do anything? And Julien was like “haha I’m going to try to rape this bitch, make sure it’s on camera!!! I’m going to put this rape in a video online and I don’t see any way something bad can come from that!!”

    …orrrrrr is it possible there’s a bit before and after this where he’s flirting it up and she likes him and he decided to do some sexy talk in her ear which is way out of comfort boundaries for Japan so her body language is a bit “wtf do I do”, but after this clip she’s giggling and likes him like the girl in line behind her and in making a video for the express purpose of trolling the mainstream media painting himself as a monster, editing just this part in is better than showing all that other stuff that would make it less shocking?

    “What am I missing that makes this behavior okay?”

    It’s not that he’s obviously innocent or that RSD handled this in the best way in all aspects etc…but if you understand what Julien’s been doing in terms of trolling the media, and you’ve gone out doing pickup and had people white knight on you for negging a girl (“you shouldn’t talk to a girl like that, bro!!”) when she herself loves it and fucks you after, etc…like, I wouldn’t say hold him up as a shining example of pickup, but I think the red pill/game guys falling over eachother to condemn and demonize him are just caught up in the emotions of the moment and not really thinking this through logically or doing their research.

    @runsonmagic
    “Julien Blanc’s twitter is gone. So much for that freeze out strategy.”

    lol. Ya, can’t to much once your Twitter is deleted. They have EXTREMELY strict rules for making a Twitter account. I hear I’ll have to provide 3 forms of government ID if I want to start my @poopypoopoobumfart Twitter account…so, you know, I guess Julien is done.

    Let them have a few little victories. Start a new Twitter/Facebook in a few months, who cares?

    Like this is exactly the attitude I’m talking about when I talk about the insane hate-on for RSD. It’s like “lolol so much for THAT strategy!!” like you guys are just DYING for RSD to go under. “haha fuck those guys, they’re not UncleR and he wrote a biased article about them once that I’ve swallowed hook line and sinker and I’ve met some shitty students before (because an MMA school putting out a few shitty fighters means that they’re teaching garbage and couldn’t have anything to do with those fighters just being retarded and not paying attention in class)…so fuck them, I hope they go down ahahahaa!!”

    Like, c’mon man. Let them have Twitter and Facebook. Ok, way to go SJWs, you won, you cut the head off the dragon!! Post all over Twitter how you defeated the monster! Now off to your next outrage battle! …and then a couple months later, hey look, Julien’s back. Like come on, I feel silly even having to explain how insignificant a Twitter accout being closed is.

    @UncleR
    “SJW strategy is to freeze you so your inaction allows them to railroad you. So a “freeze out” strategy helps them greatly.”

    What are they going to do? Send some change.org petitions around? Julien, if he had to, could teach online with someone else running his bootcamps. They’ve cut off their own way of attacking them…90% of the Twitter storm was “@RSDJulien fuck you you piece of shit you’re a monster”, but now @RSDJulien doesn’t exist so it’s like, they’re just shouting at eachother and confirming eachother and then they’ll get bored and go home. If anything they should’ve left Julien’s accounts so they could keep hating on him and keep their fire stoked lol

    You of all people know what it’s like to have most of the world hating on you. How has it really affected you? Are you unable to go out to bars anymore or sell your products or talk to girls? Julien kind of dwarfed you in the world-wide hate ranks, but it’s the same shit. You seem to be doing just fine and not only have you not convinced SJWs that you’re cool by issuing a bunch of self-flaggelating apologies to them begging for understanding, but you still ACTIVELY taunt them on ROK and Twitter, and no one really gives a shit.

    Surely you can see the similarities between yours and Julien’s situation.

    @CJ_W
    “Nothing. I actually stopped reading that guy’s long rant when he started getting mad at RvF, at that point you know that he doesn’t know. . .thing is HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW, that he doesn’t know.”

    Oh I know. I’ve been in pickup before Roosh had a blog and before CH existed. But I don’t expect you to read my shit. You’ve made up your mind, I wouldn’t expect you to listen to reason or do research or use your critical thinking skills just like I don’t expect an SJW to.

    “so yeah just “freeze” yarly out, he’s not a person worthy of respect anymore”

    lol

    “while we take the high road”

    You call that thread the high road? Really? Show me a single article where Tyler shits on you guys. He doesn’t, because he takes the high road himself. But as soon as the chips are down, in come the fucking bitter Manosphere guys to try to take their piece of flesh out of him. I don’t run a company thought, so I have no problem expressing my thoughts lol

    “AND point people in our community in the right direction. i.e. good game, self improvement, money improvement, etc.”

    This is exactly what I’m talking about. I literally posted like 5 videos from RSD about getting out of depression and improving your mindsets and outlooks on life in one of these threads. RSD covers all that self improvement and money and exercise shit. Tyler had fucking Elliot Hulse as a guest recently.

    It blows my mind how not only deliberately obtuse guys like you can be, but how you fucking REVEL in it. Like you’re proud of your ignorance because it gets you clique approval. It’s ridiculous. And you’re supposed to represent what a red pill man should be? Someone who’s too lazy to do research and spouts off shit that’s EASY to verify as wrong, and sticks his head in the sand saying “let’s kick that guy out, let’s make our hugbox tighter and not think at all!!!”

    I’m embarrassed for you, that you could spend so much time engaging the red pill and still have these kinds of thought processes.

    @runsonmagic
    “Even with twitter down I wonder… at what point will RSD respond? If their YouTube gets taken down? If they have to switch hosting companies? If more live events get shut down? If their visas get revoked? If someone gets a false harassment or rape accusation?”

    In order: 1) there’s on point while the lynch mob is on hate mode and if the bad press stops by the time they’ve calmed down then why respond at all? 2) Vimeo, the THOUSANDS of other video hosting services around the world, putting them on DVDs, torrents linking the videos directly (it’s the internet so guaranteed there are at least a few hundred guys who’ve saved every RSD video ever made to their computer). 3) what does that take, a day? Two max? PirateBay is still running, do you really think the SJWs are going to take down RSD if PirateBay is still going?? 4) They just test-ran live-streaming seminars and will probably explore that more if it gets bad but do you really think the SJWs are going to hound them for years and be picketing outside every event? 5) This is so unlikely to begin with…like, seriously. Do you think Julien is going to get banned from the entire world because he said some offensive things and did some kino?? Mike Tyson was convicted of raping a chick and he’s running around making guest appearances in movies lol 6) That’s a danger ANYONE doing pickup risks…hell, that’s a danger anyone in the vicinity of GIRLS risks these days. That’s a danger that someone who’s never even been AROUND a girl faces these days (“oh I was raped by some big dude with a beard…what you found one? uhh ya, that’s him sure”). Ask any guy in California on a university campus.

    “You can’t freeze out the world.”

    No one’s ever tried it before lol That’s why this is so funny to me. Only Tyler would be insane enough to try it.

    “That said… RSD isn’t a media company. They’re a bootcamp and program company. They could hypothetically get their twitter, FB page, and all social media accounts shutdown and not have it affect their bottom line.”

    Well that’s kind of the point, isn’t it? They are exactly what you guys talk about in your forum about working for yourselves and building a self-sufficient business where you don’t answer to anyone. That’s exactly what Tyler’s made. The money goes directly from his students into his pockets. Julien’s Twitter feed was literally just a bunch of nonsense offensive (hilarious, Google them sometime) Tweets, he wasn’t pulling in dozens of students with it. The only people FOLLOWING his feed are probably already into RSD to begin with.

    Like, fuck, think about this LOGICALLY and RATIONALLY guys.

    “They think it’s going to blow over. It’s not.”

    This is the internet. Everyone moves on after a few days. No one is writing about Kony anymore, no one is writing about Tiger Woods cheating, no one is writing about Kanye dissing Taylor Swift anymore, no one is writing about Weinergate. No one is even writing about Sam Pepper anymore.

    “Every article ever written about RSD here-out will reference #takedownjulienblanc.”

    lol how many articles do you think get written about RSD? Before THIS event, maybe like, 5? 6? MAYBE. lol Even IF every article referenced it, who’s reading those articles? Either guys who are curious about pickup and have already figured out that mainstream society’s views don’t really benefit them because they’re still a 25yo virgin who will click a few RSD links to check out their material and decide for themselves and see all the useful high-quality content and go “hmm ok maybe that guy was a dick but I like this other instructor and this stuff makes sense to me”, or it’s SJWs/Feminists looking to get outraged that weren’t going to buy products or take bootcamps anyway.

    Everyone is running around like chickens with their head cut off. Just stop, take a breath, and think this through.

    “But if you read Tyler’s actual response, it is weak, rambling, and he says things to the effect that even if RSD goes down because of this, he’ll be fine, etc. It sounds pretty pathetic.”

    It’s a gay response, but he’s making valid points. The media wants their story. Search for #takedownjulienblanc right now and all it is is retweets of the “how the SJWs took down the evil pickup artist and won!!!” articles. They got their full range of emotions, they found a monster, attacked it, defeated it, and now they’ll run off proclaiming their victory.

    @Dismal Operator
    “The video itself just comes off to me as a giant troll video. I don’t see how one can come to the conclusion that his or RSD’s core tenets of game is literally to walk up to girls and shove their heads in your crotch while screaming Pikachu.”

    YOU WOULD THINK lol but read that RVF thread. That’s literally what half the guys there think RSD teaches. It’s so painful to even read, not because I wanna give Julien a BJ but because I look at you guys and think “you’re SO on point with all your red pill shit and you just completely drop the ball when shit hits the fan like this and revert to the silliest id-based “HE SEEMS LIKE A POOPY HEAD AND I DON’T LIKE RSD AND THEY PROBABLY DO PROMOTE RAPE!!!!”. Like, of ALL places I would expect you guys to be the ones going “lol shit this is just like when the media shits on Roosh for trolling them lol”

    You guys (not all of you, there are a few sane voices in the crowd) are literally doing what SJWs do. “Let’s toss out all rational thought and just go with the most offensive narrative to stoke our outrage!”…while being the exact guys who condemn SJWs when THEY do that. And you don’t seem to see the cognitive dissonance.

    “I’d wager that most of the people who were at that event forgot about that particular ‘advice,’ let alone rushed into Tokyo nightclubs en masse actually doing it.”

    This. Do you guys think newbies are out there running up choking girls as an opener just because Julien made jokes about it (possibly with disclaimers that we didn’t see in the two minute long video)?? Newbies are scared shitless to even go INTO the bar, let alone go up and say “hi, you’re adorable I had to meet you”. Do you really think they’re running in shouting “TIME TO CHOKE A BITCH!! PIKACHUUUUUUUU!!!!” and strangling women left and right?

    “The issue is that SJWs can take that video and go ‘SEE THIS WHAT THESE PUAS TEACH!!!’ and then tar everyone who has even so much as written a forum post somewhere about ‘game’ with the same brush.”

    Exactly. That was the point of my Joker paraphrasing in the original post. You guys are exactly the same shit-pile PUAs are, even if you want to think you’re “better” and have “real game” and have your custom fitted suits with matching pocket squares. Watching you shit on Julien and RSD is like watching the guy in prison for murder condemning the guy in prison for two murders and actively fueling the hate campaign against him lol

    “There’s no room for a nuanced argument”

    Pretty sure this is the basis of Tyler’s strategy. He may address this down the road when things have calmed down, but he knows he’s not going to talk his way out of a lynching. Sometimes at the bar you let the group of drunk angry overprotective AMOGs take the girl from you and just walk away shrugging, it’s no big deal unless you have a stick up your ass about “bro you looked like a bitch bro, what about your street cred, you should’ve just punched that group of 10 dudes whatever man you’re a bitch” in which case you probably have some more red pill reading to do about ego-preservation lol


    • YaReally
      on November 11, 2014 at 2:20 am
      Original Link

      @Kate
      pffft, try telling Amy that.

      @Rockstar Steve
      ya, I lurk there once in a while ’cause I like to read different people’s perspectives (especially on a topic like this). I skim/listen to everything from MRA sites to MGTOW sites to feminist shit, TRP, RVF, etc. I’m big into consuming information and can listen to audio while I work so while other people are watching reality TV or playing XBox or watching cute kitten videos on YouTube, I just absorb this stuff because I think social dynamics and human psychology is fascinating in general (I was interested in it even before I got into pickup and found out I could get laid from it lol).

      I don’t think they realize that they’ve become the “close off our community bubble from outsider-think and doggy-pile anyone who disagrees as being a shill without addressing any of their points” club the SJWs are, but I get that it’s hard to tell when you’re inside the bubble. I don’t have my own blog/board because I’m lazy and I don’t want to lock myself down into group-think. I know that a bunch of guys here will debate my points and force me to be able to defend and be able to explain them, that’s a good thing. If RSD puts out something I don’t agree with, I’ll happily disagree with it. If another company puts out something I think is valuable, I’ll happily link it for people to get use out of. But acknowledging that I link lots of other shit doesn’t fit the narrative that I’m an RSD shill, so I know they’ll ignore that.

      “BTW, if you want a laugh YaReally, check their forum thread on this whole RSD shitfest, it’s basically a whole load of circle-jerking. Some guy posted your comment, and everyone started tossing ad hominems left and right without addressing a single thing you said.”

      lol ya I saw. The reality is even when I was writing it I didn’t actually expect any of them to read what I wrote, it’s a million pages long and I know from the start that they aren’t actually open to a logical discussion. They’re doing the same thing the media is doing with Tyler, just enjoying being outraged.

      I write that stuff because it’s interesting to me, I type fast as fuck, I have sick time-management skills (from learning to juggle pickup and a full-time job) to be able to write posts that long, and there are always a few lurkers around who like reading as much as I do or people who think the same thoughts they do and actually WANT to hear some possible answers, and actually will go through it all and enjoy the read. It’s kind of like Tyler’s long videos where he knows they’re appealing to a niche audience…if you’re interested in what I talk about then you get a huge dump of interesting content to consume…if you’re not interested in what I talk about then that’s cool, go do your thing lol

      Also, the 90% cut of RSD’s profits that Tyler gives me helps. brb, gotta’ go give him a blow-J.

      (for the record I actually like some of the dudes on RVF. I listen to Christian McQueen’s podcast while I work and I lol at Return of Kings. I just think they’ve gotten very myopic in their little bubble (“our game good, other game baaaaad!”), have a lot of unfortunate limiting beliefs and proudly stick to their comfort zones instead of experimenting to break those limiting beliefs (how about a no-suits-no-bling-month, gentlemen?) and have become more about patting eachother on the back than really improving their skills)



Women And Histrionic Personality Disorder

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Ras Al Ghul
on November 8, 2014 at 12:18 pm
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Its on the rise. All female personality disorders are increasing, so are mens.

Divorced or single mom raises the chance of personality disorder in any children (all rising)

Being molested (see divorced or single mom above) raises chance of personality disorder.

Strangely, living in a bubble where nothing ever pops it with how you are not awesome (see the lives of most women, best example: Lena Dunham) Raises the chance of a personality bubble.

Living a life where there are no consequences for any of your bad behavior and you are rescued from it means you’re going to have a personality disorder.

The more cads and thugs that breed the more personality disorders you are going to have in children.

Now here’s the kicker.

Male sociopaths can go two ways: They can be criminals, and they are certainly destructive, but the also can go the other way: surgeons, spys, captains of industry, salesmen, lawyers, dentists, athletes, leaders, generals, soldiers.

Women sociopaths, well, they just wreck lives. period. They become feminists, and housewives, and everything else. And because they get a hall pass for their bad behavior, and because they are gifted by God or evolution to be more manipulative and duplicitous by nature, they’re capacity for indirect evil and destruction is 10x.

Male sociopaths are the atom bomb, women are the neutron bomb and radiation poisoning that slowly kills afterward.

I have known men to go to prison and make deals to insure their girlfriend or wife doesn’t get charged or convicted.

I have never seen the opposite.


  • YaReally
    on November 8, 2014 at 1:37 pm
    Original Link

    “Its on the rise. All female personality disorders are increasing, so are mens.”

    I agree. We live in a culture that basically encourages and REWARDS people for being dysfunctional (reality TV. Honey Boo Boo is sure turning out well lol)

    Most of this shit can be fixed if you actually work on it, but our culture shames people (especially men) for working hard and looking into self-help and admitting we aren’t perfect and trying to improve ourselves (how many guys trying to improve their lives have been bewildered by their friends trying to discourage them from it instead of supporting them?).

    Here’s a misogynist shitlord who rips off easily manipulated men by charging them thousands of dollars to teach them how to spam choke-approach harass women, taking a break from promoting rape culture to discuss this topic (for some reason this video doesn’t cost $3000 to watch, he must’ve forgotten to put that setting on it):

    “How To Be Happy And Fix Addiction To Bulls**t Thoughts & Emotions Without Pharmaceutical Drugs”

    And I found a few more, for some reason these don’t cost money either. Weird, I guess he was tired from spreading rape culture and conning guys into paying for teaching that totally won’t help them:

    This is some of those other RSD con-artists on this topic too, I’m not sure why these ones don’t cost money either. I guess it’s because it’s useless information about spam approaching and not about “How To Eliminate All Negative Thoughts” or changing your belief system about happiness or , ’cause I mean, how would THAT topic get you pussy, that’s all PUAs care about:

    Every chick these days has a pharmacy in her purse. I can think of maybe 2 guys I know taking prescription drugs daily. But the culture of “I’m a victim” among men who aren’t doing anything to actually improve their lives is just as bad. My life isn’t perfect, but I’m working on it and getting there slowly but surely over time and I don’t dwell on blaming other people for my failures. Take responsibility, acknowledge it’s a shitty situ, figure out how to solve it, and push forward.

    I used to be extremely pessimistic/negative and it took me a few years of work to fix that shit. But it took actual work (positivity challenges and purposely reframing things and stopping to think instead of engaging shitty thoughts etc.). People nowadays are just popping pills hoping the mindsets they solidify by entertaining them every day, are going to one day just magically 180 and they’ll just be a different person.

    I’ve known guys who had to take anti-depressants during stressful periods of their life, and that’s cool, but if you’re still on them years later and you need sleep meds every night to fall asleep and random pills to help your “mysterious illness the doctor’s can’t identify” etc., you aren’t making any kind of effort to handle your shit.

    …but why WOULD you? Another trip to the doctor and everything will be okay again!


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 2:39 pm
      Original Link

      @kant
      “Now a year into learning game I am way happier, no depression or anxiety.. I realize now that most of it stemmed from social anxiety, fear of being low in the social totem pole, fear of missing out on experiences–I was a weak person and of course I blamed all my problems on external things.”

      Like Tyler says, “it’s funny how many disorders like depression and anxiety just magically vanish once a guy starts getting laid. WEIRD.” lol

      I’m not against therapy btw, or meds. But with therapists I’d say they’re probably pushing a feminized blue pill narrative that’s going to do most guys more harm than good, and if you’re swallowing the red pill they’re going to cause you more frustration than help and finding a red pill mentor or posting on a red pill/game forum where guys have swallowed the red pill might help you a lot more than a traditional therapist. And with meds I’d say if you’re on them for YEARS, you need to start looking at what you can change about your life that might help get you off them…personally I think something like an anti-depressant should be used to just help you get a foothold to handling your shit so you can get off them as soon as possible, not used as a constant bandaid for the rest of your life and to help build a victim complex.

      It makes me extremely sad that our default in society now is to just drug all our kids instead of working with them, like it’s too much hassle to actually parent your own kid. When half the boys in school are drugged up on ADD meds, and every chick past 18 has a pharmacy in her purse, that’s a sign that society is fucking up somewhere.

      But I’m not a medical professional so your mileage may vary lol


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 3:36 pm
      Original Link

      @walawala
      “every hot girl I successfully game and bang—turns out to be nuts. What is it?”

      Exactly what I said here: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/the-forms-of-female-attention-whoring/#comment-629387

      “Imagine if no matter what you did or no matter how fucked up you were or how boring a human being you were, hundreds of thousands of people a day were telling you you’re perfect and amazing and everything you do is genius. Every day since you were like 14. It would be hard not to come out of that with a warped sense of reality.

      Not to mention the other side of the coin that people often don’t think about: imagine how paranoid you would get if you knew that NOBODY around you was real.”

      Guys look at their average “HB6″ chick-friends and are like “wow she gets a lot of attention” but they can’t even wrap their heads around how much a 9 or 10 gets.

      Here’s a newly MGTOW guy discovering how the internet/Tinder/etc. have changed gender dynamics now that he’s recently single and back on the dating scene:

      That’s an average chick, with 900 matches and basically every Yes she does is a match. A girl and I were on Tinder making fun of profiles together and I told her to hit Yes on a few dudes just to see and every single one was a match.

      It’s like imagine going out into the world knowing that you have 900 women dying to suck your cock, a text message away, and if you want more you can literally just pick and choose from a selection of pictures and any hottie that you pick will come over to suck your cock.

      So ya, the hottest girls are usually a little insane lol It’s almost not even their fault…like some of them instigate it on purpose for the attention and feed their own egos, but some just happened to be born with good genetics and they’re kind of like when a child star blows up and becomes famous before they’re prepared for what all that attention entails and they end up all fucked up but it’s like shit, how much of that was actually their fault and how much of that was the fault of our society in general?

      “and all the coaching YaReally gave me (and was right about in terms of how to play it)”

      NOW TAKE MY $5000 BOOTCAMP AND BUY MY DVD SERIES!!!!!1 lol. I’m sure our discussions have helped (or will help) a handful of other guys too, and I’ve respected you since way back because I could tell you’re actually going out and applying shit, so I’m glad I was able to help.

      “I’m so much more comfortable and am not obsessing over girls’ shitty flakey behaviours.”

      Ya man, I don’t even think about it. I was like every other guy, watching my phone waiting for that txt message notice to pop up, over-analyzing every second of why she hasn’t responded yet, analyzing her ambiguous texts, responding to her drama, etc. etc. and freaking out when they flake and getting furious that they didn’t show up to the date I planned out etc.

      But now it’s like, literally this weekend an old FB I have (young party girl type) was out drinking nearby and wanted to hook up and I KNOW she’s going to flake because she ALWAYS flakes, so I told her ya sure come over when you’re done and didn’t even bother showering up because I know she’s not coming over. She, of course, flakes, and sends a big apology the next morning and I make fun of her but like, I don’t care at all lol

      The biggest thing to understand is that they generally aren’t malicious and just trying to fuck with you…***IN THE MOMENT*** that girl really and truly DID want to come over and fuck me after the bar. But between that moment and last call she went through a dozen emotional shifts and when last call comes around she’s not necessarily in that same headspace she was in before and she flakes. But when she wrote her “can I come over later?” texts at like 9pm, she meant it…but girls run on their emotions and make their decisions based on their emotions in the moment.

      Same thing with dates and returning calls and shit. That’s why when you meet up with a girl, often you have to re-game her from the start, because she’s in a different emotional state than she was when you originally met her. Or maybe you made out at a club when you first met and she was super down to meet up with you in a few days, that night when her friends dragged her off into a cab…but then the next morning her emotional state has changed and she feels slutty about making out with you and boom, no response to your texts or she flakes on the date.

      “1) I know that these behaviours are like storms, if taken too seriously at the time you escalate a non-issues”

      Ya, people are giving RSD shit for how they’ve handled the whole take down Julien thing, but really the amount of fucks given about Julien have dwindled down to nothing. They got his Twitter and Facebook taken down so there’s no way to spout hate at him now (lol), all the articles have been written already, RSD has contained the discussion on their board to one thread which is basically just members posting in it, and while on day 1 Twitter was blowing up with like 40 Tweets a minute about it now it’s like 1 tweet every few hours and that’s just retweeting about how his Twitter was taken down and the SJWs “won”:

      http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=rsdjulien&q2=takedownjulienblanc&q3=rsdtyler&via=Topsy

      SJWs/Feminists don’t have the attention span to follow shit for more than a couple days. If they were focused and productive they might actually contribute something useful to the world themselves, instead of wasting everyone’s time talking shit about and trying to tear down the men who DO.

      If Julien and Tyler had heavily engaged the SJWs and entertained their outrage and tried defending themselves or posting a bunch of rationalizations (that the SJWs aren’t interested in in the first place, just like I said on Rollo’s blog when that Manosphere guy went on the news segment anonymously and got tooled, you’re never going to convince the SJWs to agree with you, you just present shit and gather a few more curious men with each outrage storm), this shit would’ve escalated for months to who knows what end. But when the other side won’t engage with you, there’s only so much outraged shouting at a blank wall you can do before you all get bored and go home.

      Same shit with girl drama. If I don’t take “I’m mad at you…” seriously, it can’t become a big drama situ. Tyler’s Freeze Out on the world is working lol

      “2) girls with Cluster B traits need structure and a firm hand.”

      Ya, often these girls either have super beta fathers that let them get away with anything, or they have the opposite: super badass alpha dominant fathers who don’t put up with their shit and the girl is trying to find a guy who’s like that because she subconsciously knows she needs that. Now that I think about it, I find the girls in the latter category are actually the more “sweeter” drama (the silly kind) VS the former category which tend to be more “bitchy” drama (the total chaos kind). It’s like the girls with alpha dads are just playfully pushing boundaries to see what kind of guy you are and hoping you’ll take no shit from them just like their dads didn’t and love you if you don’t, and the girls with beta dads are just bitchy and used to getting their way and are attracted when you don’t take shit but hate that they’re attracted. Never really thought about that till now lol

      “Secondly to Kant’s point….for the last 5 months i’m off sleeping pills I was taking off and on after my break up. I sleep like a zombie. I also now train my brain to identify the “triggers” for anxiety and then stop myself.

      I never took medication, instead i resort to physical exercise and having a routine to get through tough emotional periods.

      What I do think is a cop-out is people who cite depression as an excuse or rationalization for bad behaviours or acting out. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.”

      Props on handling your shit dude. I agree completely on that last bit…that’s why I say like, I don’t have a problem with therapy or meds etc., but I think people forget that those things are supposed to help you get a foothold to fix yourself to where you don’t NEED those things anymore…they’re not supposed to be something you do your whole life and use as an excuse to play the victim or get away with shitty behavior. If you find yourself in a situ where you need those things, start looking into what else you can do on top of them to turn things around, like throwing yourself into physical exercise or routines etc.

      My buddies think I’m never depressed and that nothing ever phases me, but I’ve actually had some major personal setbacks in life this year that have been fucking devastating. But I just accept them and push forward. I’m not bottling up a bunch of anger and I’m not some emotionless robot that doesn’t get upset, I even give myself a day or two to let it all out and be angry and express that shit in a safe environment, but then I sit down and go “okay, now how am I going to recover from this” and start taking action. It would be SO easy to just give up and be like “fuck it :( this isn’t my fault and this is unfair and other people have it easier so I’m just going to lose myself in front of the TV and let everything go to shit” and people who were there for that stuff would probably go “shit man, I don’t blame ya, you got screwed over”.

      But life is short and it’s not always fair. All you can do is try to do better tomorrow and appreciate the good things in life with the understanding that one day they might not be there (whether that’s a person you care about going away, or whether that’s being able to sit on a roof watching the sunset with a drink in your hand and a smile on your face without a care in the world before you start buckling down for work)

      @Anonymous
      “I hear ya man; you done took the words outta my mouth. And as a previous poster put up, once I started taking charge of my life and get to work at making it better, my buddies would sneer or offer sarcastic quips. Part of my growth was being more judicious with whom I invite into to my life.”

      Props man, fuck those people. When you start improving yourself you see who your friends really are. The people who don’t support you or cut you down, cut them out of your life, they’ll hold you back. The people who support you and encourage you, hold onto them forever ’cause they actually give a shit about you.

      I’m extremely picky with who I let be a close friend for me. I would rather have 2 or 3 really good friends on the same page as me and who understand my goals in life and support me, than a couple dozen random friends who give no real fucks or actually hold me back.

      And that’s OKAY lol It’s okay to be selective. With dude friends especially, but even with fuckbuddies, some of them I keep at arm’s length and some of them, when they’ve earned it, are allowed a little closer to where I actually care about their lives and they’re allowed to vent to me about their week (and I may vent about mine) and I’ll cuddle ‘em and tell them everything’s gonna’ be okay before we bang. But not every girl deserves that. Beta guys are basically feeling whores, handing out their feelz to and begging for feelz from every girl they interact with lol



Women And Histrionic Personality Disorder

Original Link

via Heartiste

Ras Al Ghul
on November 8, 2014 at 12:18 pm
Original Link

Its on the rise. All female personality disorders are increasing, so are mens.

Divorced or single mom raises the chance of personality disorder in any children (all rising)

Being molested (see divorced or single mom above) raises chance of personality disorder.

Strangely, living in a bubble where nothing ever pops it with how you are not awesome (see the lives of most women, best example: Lena Dunham) Raises the chance of a personality bubble.

Living a life where there are no consequences for any of your bad behavior and you are rescued from it means you’re going to have a personality disorder.

The more cads and thugs that breed the more personality disorders you are going to have in children.

Now here’s the kicker.

Male sociopaths can go two ways: They can be criminals, and they are certainly destructive, but the also can go the other way: surgeons, spys, captains of industry, salesmen, lawyers, dentists, athletes, leaders, generals, soldiers.

Women sociopaths, well, they just wreck lives. period. They become feminists, and housewives, and everything else. And because they get a hall pass for their bad behavior, and because they are gifted by God or evolution to be more manipulative and duplicitous by nature, they’re capacity for indirect evil and destruction is 10x.

Male sociopaths are the atom bomb, women are the neutron bomb and radiation poisoning that slowly kills afterward.

I have known men to go to prison and make deals to insure their girlfriend or wife doesn’t get charged or convicted.

I have never seen the opposite.


  • YaReally
    on November 8, 2014 at 1:37 pm
    Original Link

    “Its on the rise. All female personality disorders are increasing, so are mens.”

    I agree. We live in a culture that basically encourages and REWARDS people for being dysfunctional (reality TV. Honey Boo Boo is sure turning out well lol)

    Most of this shit can be fixed if you actually work on it, but our culture shames people (especially men) for working hard and looking into self-help and admitting we aren’t perfect and trying to improve ourselves (how many guys trying to improve their lives have been bewildered by their friends trying to discourage them from it instead of supporting them?).

    Here’s a misogynist shitlord who rips off easily manipulated men by charging them thousands of dollars to teach them how to spam choke-approach harass women, taking a break from promoting rape culture to discuss this topic (for some reason this video doesn’t cost $3000 to watch, he must’ve forgotten to put that setting on it):

    “How To Be Happy And Fix Addiction To Bulls**t Thoughts & Emotions Without Pharmaceutical Drugs”

    And I found a few more, for some reason these don’t cost money either. Weird, I guess he was tired from spreading rape culture and conning guys into paying for teaching that totally won’t help them:

    This is some of those other RSD con-artists on this topic too, I’m not sure why these ones don’t cost money either. I guess it’s because it’s useless information about spam approaching and not about “How To Eliminate All Negative Thoughts” or changing your belief system about happiness or , ’cause I mean, how would THAT topic get you pussy, that’s all PUAs care about:

    Every chick these days has a pharmacy in her purse. I can think of maybe 2 guys I know taking prescription drugs daily. But the culture of “I’m a victim” among men who aren’t doing anything to actually improve their lives is just as bad. My life isn’t perfect, but I’m working on it and getting there slowly but surely over time and I don’t dwell on blaming other people for my failures. Take responsibility, acknowledge it’s a shitty situ, figure out how to solve it, and push forward.

    I used to be extremely pessimistic/negative and it took me a few years of work to fix that shit. But it took actual work (positivity challenges and purposely reframing things and stopping to think instead of engaging shitty thoughts etc.). People nowadays are just popping pills hoping the mindsets they solidify by entertaining them every day, are going to one day just magically 180 and they’ll just be a different person.

    I’ve known guys who had to take anti-depressants during stressful periods of their life, and that’s cool, but if you’re still on them years later and you need sleep meds every night to fall asleep and random pills to help your “mysterious illness the doctor’s can’t identify” etc., you aren’t making any kind of effort to handle your shit.

    …but why WOULD you? Another trip to the doctor and everything will be okay again!


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 2:39 pm
      Original Link

      @kant
      “Now a year into learning game I am way happier, no depression or anxiety.. I realize now that most of it stemmed from social anxiety, fear of being low in the social totem pole, fear of missing out on experiences–I was a weak person and of course I blamed all my problems on external things.”

      Like Tyler says, “it’s funny how many disorders like depression and anxiety just magically vanish once a guy starts getting laid. WEIRD.” lol

      I’m not against therapy btw, or meds. But with therapists I’d say they’re probably pushing a feminized blue pill narrative that’s going to do most guys more harm than good, and if you’re swallowing the red pill they’re going to cause you more frustration than help and finding a red pill mentor or posting on a red pill/game forum where guys have swallowed the red pill might help you a lot more than a traditional therapist. And with meds I’d say if you’re on them for YEARS, you need to start looking at what you can change about your life that might help get you off them…personally I think something like an anti-depressant should be used to just help you get a foothold to handling your shit so you can get off them as soon as possible, not used as a constant bandaid for the rest of your life and to help build a victim complex.

      It makes me extremely sad that our default in society now is to just drug all our kids instead of working with them, like it’s too much hassle to actually parent your own kid. When half the boys in school are drugged up on ADD meds, and every chick past 18 has a pharmacy in her purse, that’s a sign that society is fucking up somewhere.

      But I’m not a medical professional so your mileage may vary lol


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 3:36 pm
      Original Link

      @walawala
      “every hot girl I successfully game and bang—turns out to be nuts. What is it?”

      Exactly what I said here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/the-forms-of-female-attention-whoring/#comment-629387

      “Imagine if no matter what you did or no matter how fucked up you were or how boring a human being you were, hundreds of thousands of people a day were telling you you’re perfect and amazing and everything you do is genius. Every day since you were like 14. It would be hard not to come out of that with a warped sense of reality.

      Not to mention the other side of the coin that people often don’t think about: imagine how paranoid you would get if you knew that NOBODY around you was real.”

      Guys look at their average “HB6″ chick-friends and are like “wow she gets a lot of attention” but they can’t even wrap their heads around how much a 9 or 10 gets.

      Here’s a newly MGTOW guy discovering how the internet/Tinder/etc. have changed gender dynamics now that he’s recently single and back on the dating scene:

      That’s an average chick, with 900 matches and basically every Yes she does is a match. A girl and I were on Tinder making fun of profiles together and I told her to hit Yes on a few dudes just to see and every single one was a match.

      It’s like imagine going out into the world knowing that you have 900 women dying to suck your cock, a text message away, and if you want more you can literally just pick and choose from a selection of pictures and any hottie that you pick will come over to suck your cock.

      So ya, the hottest girls are usually a little insane lol It’s almost not even their fault…like some of them instigate it on purpose for the attention and feed their own egos, but some just happened to be born with good genetics and they’re kind of like when a child star blows up and becomes famous before they’re prepared for what all that attention entails and they end up all fucked up but it’s like shit, how much of that was actually their fault and how much of that was the fault of our society in general?

      “and all the coaching YaReally gave me (and was right about in terms of how to play it)”

      NOW TAKE MY $5000 BOOTCAMP AND BUY MY DVD SERIES!!!!!1 lol. I’m sure our discussions have helped (or will help) a handful of other guys too, and I’ve respected you since way back because I could tell you’re actually going out and applying shit, so I’m glad I was able to help.

      “I’m so much more comfortable and am not obsessing over girls’ shitty flakey behaviours.”

      Ya man, I don’t even think about it. I was like every other guy, watching my phone waiting for that txt message notice to pop up, over-analyzing every second of why she hasn’t responded yet, analyzing her ambiguous texts, responding to her drama, etc. etc. and freaking out when they flake and getting furious that they didn’t show up to the date I planned out etc.

      But now it’s like, literally this weekend an old FB I have (young party girl type) was out drinking nearby and wanted to hook up and I KNOW she’s going to flake because she ALWAYS flakes, so I told her ya sure come over when you’re done and didn’t even bother showering up because I know she’s not coming over. She, of course, flakes, and sends a big apology the next morning and I make fun of her but like, I don’t care at all lol

      The biggest thing to understand is that they generally aren’t malicious and just trying to fuck with you…***IN THE MOMENT*** that girl really and truly DID want to come over and fuck me after the bar. But between that moment and last call she went through a dozen emotional shifts and when last call comes around she’s not necessarily in that same headspace she was in before and she flakes. But when she wrote her “can I come over later?” texts at like 9pm, she meant it…but girls run on their emotions and make their decisions based on their emotions in the moment.

      Same thing with dates and returning calls and shit. That’s why when you meet up with a girl, often you have to re-game her from the start, because she’s in a different emotional state than she was when you originally met her. Or maybe you made out at a club when you first met and she was super down to meet up with you in a few days, that night when her friends dragged her off into a cab…but then the next morning her emotional state has changed and she feels slutty about making out with you and boom, no response to your texts or she flakes on the date.

      “1) I know that these behaviours are like storms, if taken too seriously at the time you escalate a non-issues”

      Ya, people are giving RSD shit for how they’ve handled the whole take down Julien thing, but really the amount of fucks given about Julien have dwindled down to nothing. They got his Twitter and Facebook taken down so there’s no way to spout hate at him now (lol), all the articles have been written already, RSD has contained the discussion on their board to one thread which is basically just members posting in it, and while on day 1 Twitter was blowing up with like 40 Tweets a minute about it now it’s like 1 tweet every few hours and that’s just retweeting about how his Twitter was taken down and the SJWs “won”:

      http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=rsdjulien&q2=takedownjulienblanc&q3=rsdtyler&via=Topsy

      SJWs/Feminists don’t have the attention span to follow shit for more than a couple days. If they were focused and productive they might actually contribute something useful to the world themselves, instead of wasting everyone’s time talking shit about and trying to tear down the men who DO.

      If Julien and Tyler had heavily engaged the SJWs and entertained their outrage and tried defending themselves or posting a bunch of rationalizations (that the SJWs aren’t interested in in the first place, just like I said on Rollo’s blog when that Manosphere guy went on the news segment anonymously and got tooled, you’re never going to convince the SJWs to agree with you, you just present shit and gather a few more curious men with each outrage storm), this shit would’ve escalated for months to who knows what end. But when the other side won’t engage with you, there’s only so much outraged shouting at a blank wall you can do before you all get bored and go home.

      Same shit with girl drama. If I don’t take “I’m mad at you…” seriously, it can’t become a big drama situ. Tyler’s Freeze Out on the world is working lol

      “2) girls with Cluster B traits need structure and a firm hand.”

      Ya, often these girls either have super beta fathers that let them get away with anything, or they have the opposite: super badass alpha dominant fathers who don’t put up with their shit and the girl is trying to find a guy who’s like that because she subconsciously knows she needs that. Now that I think about it, I find the girls in the latter category are actually the more “sweeter” drama (the silly kind) VS the former category which tend to be more “bitchy” drama (the total chaos kind). It’s like the girls with alpha dads are just playfully pushing boundaries to see what kind of guy you are and hoping you’ll take no shit from them just like their dads didn’t and love you if you don’t, and the girls with beta dads are just bitchy and used to getting their way and are attracted when you don’t take shit but hate that they’re attracted. Never really thought about that till now lol

      “Secondly to Kant’s point….for the last 5 months i’m off sleeping pills I was taking off and on after my break up. I sleep like a zombie. I also now train my brain to identify the “triggers” for anxiety and then stop myself.

      I never took medication, instead i resort to physical exercise and having a routine to get through tough emotional periods.

      What I do think is a cop-out is people who cite depression as an excuse or rationalization for bad behaviours or acting out. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.”

      Props on handling your shit dude. I agree completely on that last bit…that’s why I say like, I don’t have a problem with therapy or meds etc., but I think people forget that those things are supposed to help you get a foothold to fix yourself to where you don’t NEED those things anymore…they’re not supposed to be something you do your whole life and use as an excuse to play the victim or get away with shitty behavior. If you find yourself in a situ where you need those things, start looking into what else you can do on top of them to turn things around, like throwing yourself into physical exercise or routines etc.

      My buddies think I’m never depressed and that nothing ever phases me, but I’ve actually had some major personal setbacks in life this year that have been fucking devastating. But I just accept them and push forward. I’m not bottling up a bunch of anger and I’m not some emotionless robot that doesn’t get upset, I even give myself a day or two to let it all out and be angry and express that shit in a safe environment, but then I sit down and go “okay, now how am I going to recover from this” and start taking action. It would be SO easy to just give up and be like “fuck it :( this isn’t my fault and this is unfair and other people have it easier so I’m just going to lose myself in front of the TV and let everything go to shit” and people who were there for that stuff would probably go “shit man, I don’t blame ya, you got screwed over”.

      But life is short and it’s not always fair. All you can do is try to do better tomorrow and appreciate the good things in life with the understanding that one day they might not be there (whether that’s a person you care about going away, or whether that’s being able to sit on a roof watching the sunset with a drink in your hand and a smile on your face without a care in the world before you start buckling down for work)

      @Anonymous
      “I hear ya man; you done took the words outta my mouth. And as a previous poster put up, once I started taking charge of my life and get to work at making it better, my buddies would sneer or offer sarcastic quips. Part of my growth was being more judicious with whom I invite into to my life.”

      Props man, fuck those people. When you start improving yourself you see who your friends really are. The people who don’t support you or cut you down, cut them out of your life, they’ll hold you back. The people who support you and encourage you, hold onto them forever ’cause they actually give a shit about you.

      I’m extremely picky with who I let be a close friend for me. I would rather have 2 or 3 really good friends on the same page as me and who understand my goals in life and support me, than a couple dozen random friends who give no real fucks or actually hold me back.

      And that’s OKAY lol It’s okay to be selective. With dude friends especially, but even with fuckbuddies, some of them I keep at arm’s length and some of them, when they’ve earned it, are allowed a little closer to where I actually care about their lives and they’re allowed to vent to me about their week (and I may vent about mine) and I’ll cuddle ‘em and tell them everything’s gonna’ be okay before we bang. But not every girl deserves that. Beta guys are basically feeling whores, handing out their feelz to and begging for feelz from every girl they interact with lol



Women And Histrionic Personality Disorder

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Hunter
on November 8, 2014 at 8:23 pm
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30 DAY FR:

Hey all! It’s been a whirlwind 30 days… just kidding, had to knock out early cuz the 3-4 hour nights of sleep EVERY SINGLE DAY got grating on my body. Ended up being a 25 day challenge. I’ve been through a lot of… not exactly crazy experiences but there were a lot of things that got a lot easier to see and understand that I couldn’t really grasp going out only twice a week or doing slow ass daygame everyday.

Now I’m not surprised that I would come back to the CH comments and bitch about not trying stuff :)

Biggest insights I’ve learned (a shitload):

Game is A LOT less complicated than I thought. I was so desperate for sex that I just couldn’t slow down and see how easy it really is to get laid. Granted I only fucked one new girl this month (and the lay was on Halloween), I’ve had several really close experiences where I could’ve fucked the woman I was talking to but tripped myself up by responding logically:

At bar at 2AM. I open girl by trying to take her drink.

HB7.5: (mean eyes… I stare right into them)
Me: Gimme your drink.
HB7.5: (smiles) Lets share.

(sexual tension is through the roof, I can see her pokies through her skin tight black dress. I can’t believe it! What Ya says is coming true! Am I gonna fuck her tonight???)
Then… I go seeking her validation… ya know, for comfort lol
Me: How old are you? (slowly getting a little too excited…)
HB7.5: How old are you?
Me: Let me see your I.D. (smirk is turning into cheesy smile)
HB7.5: (says nothing)
We exchange I.Ds. She’s 29. I’m 24.
More staring occurs… but at this point, my alpha facade is weakening… cuz she’s so hot and shit (can’t believe I’m writing this now)
HB7.5: (backturn to her friend getting hit on by another guy)
Me: (In my head: dammit!)

Reapproach in 5 mins

Me: (grab her by the arm and turn her around) Hey
HB7.5 doesn’t really comply, is on her phone
Me: (I see she’s texting her friend) You’re a really good friend.
HB7.5: Of course, I am. (looks up at me for more masculine energy) You have pretty eyes.
Me: I thought you were a bitch at first, but you’re actually a good person. (gay routine here, starting to get desperate for a reaction)
HB7.5: Why did you think I was a bitch?
Me: Uh… cuz you weren’t nice to me (logical response, it’s over)
HB7.5: Yes I was, I said you had pretty eyes.
Me: (Laser eye contact) Yeah…
HB7.5: Maybe next time you talk to a girl (blah blah, it was over so I stopped listening)

Different set, weeknight, out alone 12:30AM:

Hot Lithuanian chick is dancing, male coworker is at nearby table. I approach by putting my straw into her drink and sipping it. She laughs, starts dancing with me (I just got in the venue by myself).

Me: What are you drinking?
Lithe7.5-8: Drink name
Me: (more physicality, but nothing too aggressive… at this point in the 30 day, don’t care about getting laid)
Lith: I’m divorced.
Me: Me too.
Lith: Where do you live?
Me: I live north. Where do you live?
Lith: I live here in the city. I have my own place. (looks away) My business partner is right there though. (leaves me)

5 mins later, I reapproach.

(More dancing. My leg is in between her legs, rubbing on her crotch with my knee. Starts rubbing her face on my face. As far as I’m concerned, I can fuck this chick. Watch how I fuck this up)

Lith: She starts moaning and tells me—“I have to go get my car”
Me: (I’m like, yeah, green light! However…) Do you have your own room? (she already answered this question. I began overthinking because I got excited)
*facepalm*
Lith: What?
Me: Uh…
Lith: I don’t do one night stands! (walks off)

10 mins later, I see her leave with her business partner. Fuck my life, again?!

Thankfully, I redeem myself Halloween night.

In my head, wing pushes me into sets. Girls react well as I start taking each set less and less seriously.

Last set I go into with “Hey, whats up?”

HB7-7.5: I… need to go home. (her words say something random, but her voice says… I wanna fuck.)
Me: Alright, let’s go. (grab her hand, lead her out the club)
As soon as we get outside, she stops.
HB7: Where are we going?
Me: This way (random ass direction)
HB7: Where specifically?
Me: Do you smoke weed?
HB7: No, I don’t.
Me: Let’s go then.

Took her hand, lead her to cab. We get in cab, heavy making out (first cab makeout! Wohoo!) We get to my place, proceed to have sex for the rest of the night. She was a squirter, left a huge ass puddle on my mattress. Was cool with it.

Oddly enough, she kept trying to pull off the condom. I really didn’t know her at all (5 min pull). Then I one point, I think I cum but I feel nothing in the condom. Pretty sure I came inside her (third time cumming on my part). She lols and says she’s on birth control. Don’t wanna risk it, so I don’t fuck her again (even though I really REALLY wanted to try unprotected sex).

Ended up getting tested that week. I’m clean (for now).

These girls were all tipsy, if that matters. But even with sober girls, I can pretty much approach anybody. Everything’s so much easier now. My frame’s on a whole other level that I never anticipated. However, the types of girls I’ve been getting (7.5s) aren’t my ideal. I’m ready for younger girls (my age and below) and 8+ girls.

Scray’s whole thing about giving value FINALLY started to make sense.

Over the course of the 30 day, I got invited to a couple tables, plenty of free drinks, even a business card (didn’t go anywhere). All because I was trying to have fun and be a regular dude and relate to guys and girls.

Body language, voice tonality are much better. Now working on standing up straight.

Sex:

I’m finding that sex is really all about me. Getting fucked/doing the fucking is awesome, but I find that that’s all I’m doing. Putting my dick in her, making out a bit, slapping her ass and that’s it. Seems boring. Maybe Sex God Method will help with this sexual expression problem I’m having.

Wingmen:

I’ve had several wingmen throughout this time. Biggest annoyance have been 1) wingmen who say they’ll show up, but don’t and 2) wingmen who act like retards. I’ve also had the luck of having wingmen who were really good at gaming. Me and GingerWing plan on being dedicated wings once he moves closer to the city. We’re the same age (24) and he and I have similar goals (main oLTR, hot fuckbuddies) so we’ll see where this leads.

I haven’t hung out with AlphaWing for a while. Main reason was that we would never approach enough while out together. I’d do an approach, and then he’d lecture me for HOURS on why should do it with different context in mind. You are the lion, women are the lionesses. They want you to be strong. You should be giving value constantly.

Trust me, I learned a lot from him, but both our games weren’t getting much better hanging out with each other (I would be really scared to fuck up in front of him, lest I get another lecture, and he wasn’t getting laid hanging around me). He also has a reputation in the nightclub scene (he’s in his early 30s) so him disappearing off of gaming completely with me is understandable.

Never paid him either so I guess he got tired of it.

I also realized that I never lead to the close before. It never occurred to me that leading the interaction forward meant leading to sex. I thought it meant lead to more time together to somehow have sex? I dunno, not sure why it took so long for me to realize that. Never did a lot of sexual innuendo until now.

I’m also way more physical now than I was before. This may backfire with 8+ girls so I’ll have to continually learn to calibrate.

Rereading Ya’s archives and Scray’s FRs… lol WAY different when you actually go out consistently.

I don’t do a bunch of mixed sets still, I usually go in them to try and take the girl. I haven’t done enough with them though, need to do more.

I’m finding improvements in my (limited) social circle as well. I’m pretty sure my friend’s gf very subtly was attracted to me (in the moment) cuz I had the balls to joke about sex. Hilarious. We don’t meet up very often though. Social circle still consists of just pickup dudes. I’m thinking of joining a comedy club or acting class, something like that.

AlphaWing told me to take about a 3 – 4 week break from night game (still going out on weekends), and I’m not surprised. Going out every night (mostly solo) drains you.

Now that I’ve mostly fixed my problems, I’ll jump back into daygame for like an hour after work and see how that goes.

For those wanting to do a 30 day:

– Plan out spots to go to every day of the week. I live in a big city not exactly close downtown, but I take the train 30 mins to get there. There are ALWAYS spots open (from a chill bar to a banging club for industry folks) each night.
– Plan out your sleep schedule if you’re primarily doing night game. I didn’t do this and got sick in the end as a result.
– It’s not as hard as you think. Just step outside your house, make small talk with people and start hitting up ladies.
– Have fun! Take time to get rid of other problems with yourself as well if you have any (negativity, depression, etc.)
– Go out with wingmen. They’ll help you spot problems you have since you can’t see yourself.
– Have goals for each day and take notes each night/next morning.

That’s pretty much it. Goals:

– Start dating – I feel like I don’t have problems running out of things to say anymore, so I should be able to easily get Day 2s and leading them back to my place. We’ll see!
– Be more social – do happy hours, clubs, stuff like that. Meetup.com is gonna be my friend.
– Fuck more hot girls… maybe a black chick? Being black, I feel like I should’ve fucked one by now…

I’m planning on doing another 30 day in a month or so. Gonna be awesome!

Sorry if this FR is a jumbled mess. I’m about to head out for a small gaming sesh.


  • Hunter
    on November 8, 2014 at 8:45 pm
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    @YaReally just posted my FR!


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 1:52 pm
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      @Hunter
      Massive props dude. I’ll do a big write-up for ya, gimme a few days.

      3 quick things:

      1) as you found, and for anyone wondering “how come he didn’t get laid more?”, the 30 Day Challenge isn’t really about getting laid every night or anything, it’s not to rack up a bunch of lays. By the halfway point most people can barely even function and are just forcing themselves to keep going and lots of people get sick (time management is huge if you’re doing night-game, as you found lol) so the last like 10-15 days of it you’re basically running on fumes. But when you’re running on fumes a lot of the bullshit in your head (outcome dependence, trying too hard, over-thinking in the moment, etc.) and you start to just entertain yourself because the whole thing has become absurd and you just kind of “do” things and you spend a lot more time “in the moment” than you did at the start or before the 30 Day Challenge when you were running around a neurotic mess.

      The 30 Day Challenge is to teach you a bunch of lessons that are hard to internalize when you casually go out once or twice a week for a couple hours. The real benefit of the 30 Day Challenge is AFTER the 30 Day Challenge, when you’ve rested up and recovered and start going out to do the shit you were doing before the challenge and the stuff you learned during that 30 Day Challenge starts kicking in. Like how lifting weights is destroying your muscles, but after you recover your muscle is stronger.

      2) take a break for sure. You don’t necessarily need to take a few weeks off or anything if you feel like going out, but get your health back to normal and get the rest of your life back on track if you had to sacrifice study time or work productivity etc., and like, just go out for a couple hours on Saturday night or something nice and simple. When you’ve fully recovered in a couple weeks, go back to the 2 nights a week or whatever you were doing before the 30 Day Challenge that fit your lifestyle.

      3) ignore the sperg comments. Every PUA who improved quickly wrote Field Reports, either for public consumption/critique or just in private as their own personal journal. It’s like an athlete analyzing videos of his performance to spot sticking points and patterns (good or bad) and figure out what to focus on to improve. The RSD guys’ Field Reports are the Hot Seat programs they run where they break down their video footage of nights out to a class. My good PUA buddy and I STILL send eachother Field Reports or go for 3am food if we don’t pull and break the entire night down set by set bouncing ideas back and forth in-between flirting with the waitresses lol

      Writing FRs is important, even if you aren’t posting them or sharing them with anyone but yourself…when you write shit out, you remember and internalize little details that would’ve escaped your memory. Like how if you want to remember a dream, you’d better write it down as soon as you wake up because a week later you’re going to remember at BEST a couple big moments from it but all the little details are going to be lost a few hours after you wake up. Writing about your night solidifies the reference experiences in your brain.

      It also helps you spot patterns like “hmm, why did I leave the set here?? I did that last week too…and the week before, lemme re-read that night…ya, here it is, as soon as the conversation goes onto a sexual topic, I get uncomfortable and run away. Ok, so next time I go out I’m going to focus on talking about sex so I can normalize this.” And then months later you can re-read your old FRs and go “shit, I’m still fucking this part up.” or “lol I can’t believe I used to do/think that! Got that fixed now, okay what else can I focus on now?”

      When you’re in the first few years ESPECIALLY, you should be doing FRs. Down the road when you’re getting laid more and have the main stuff all handled your FRs become a lot simpler and will be like, a general vibe of the night or one major interaction that made you realize something or has a puzzle you want to solve, or you might just be bouncing general ideas around. But at the start, write the fuck out of FRs.

      If you want to read Tyler, Mystery, Style, etc.’s FRs you can download their archives here (password is fastseduction.com):

      http://web.archive.org/web/20130817122905/http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/

      In the old days there was an entire section on the board for FRs, you could load it every day and find a dozen new FRs to analyze/critique and learn from. It’s why the community advanced so quickly, we were all comparing notes and figuring out what worked consistently and learning from eachother’s experiences. We used to write them as soon as the girl left, like guys would kick the girl out after sex so we could hop on the computer and type up a Lay Report while it’s all fresh in our minds lol

      Now you don’t want to think IN-FIELD. Like, in-field you want to just focus on execution and go have fun. But afterward you want to do your FRs, even if they’re private. Telling someone “don’t do FRs, that’s spergy” is like telling someone “bro don’t do specific numbers of sets at the gym and don’t write down your measurements or track the weights you’re lifting…just go in and swing some heavy shit around bro, don’t over-analyze. Don’t count your calories and track your macros, just eat “healthy” bro, don’t over-analyze”.

      Like ya, that’ll still WORK…but analyzing your nights and having a gameplan of shit to focus on when you go out is the difference between being jacked with a ripped 6-pack and just being “in shape”.


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 2:31 pm
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      “[CH: if you don't care about your privacy or risk of discovery by the women you bed, field reports are invaluable learning tools for men.]”

      If this is a concern (and it should be), write your FRs for yourself privately for extreme security.

      But if you’re posting them publicly, don’t offer up details about what city you’re in or what bar you’re in or describe the looks of the girl (beyond whereabout on the 1/10 scale they land (to judge how other people perceive her and infer what type of life experiences she’s probably had for calibrating game) and what type of attitude they have (to judge how they perceive themselves and again infer a lot about their life for calibration), we don’t need to know she’s wearing a tiger print dress and red heels, we don’t need pics of her she’s sent you or pics of celebrities she looks like, or what type of drink you always order or what outfit you’re wearing (unless it’s relevant for a peacocking FR), or what industry you and this girl work in and where she was travelling from that you had a business conference at X hotel, or how far you and your buddy go back or what you guys were pre-drinking or what movie you watched before the bar, etc.), or name specific names of anyone.

      And if you post texts, reword them slightly incase the girl thinks you’re too clever and Googles some of what you wrote her, or post screencaps of the texts using a fake text image service like this:

      http://ifaketext.com/

      And post it to an anonymous image hosting service like imgur.com

      That way no one even sees what type of phone you have or any Exif data from phone screencaps and there’s no Googlable text because it’s on an image.

      The other reason not to write all the extra shit about the venue type and the girl’s look and how she reminds you of a sea-flower sparkling with fairy dust in under a warm moonlit night, or how you shake hands with Jake ’cause Jake doesn’t work at Bob’s Bar tonight and Jake always lets you in for free ’cause he’s a cool guy who does MMA and you two talk about MMA. So now to find you someone just has to Google Bob’s Bar and go there and talk about MMA with the bouncers and hey, there’s Jake, and here comes a black guy talking to Jake and shaking his hand and now your photos go up on the net and you get the RSDJulien witch-hunt treatment and your girls all see your Field Reports about them.

      lol, anyway the other reason not to write all that extra shit is that it generally doesn’t actually matter to the sarge. Here’s a secret: when people write “Hey YaReally can you tell me where I went wrong here?”, I don’t even READ the first half of their post, I just scroll right down to where I see quotation marks for the actual conversation and if I can’t figure it out from just the stuff in quotes, I’ll start reading upward sentence by sentence from there because that’s where the relevant information to figuring out where they fucked up is going to be (how the guy approached, what happened seconds before approaching, etc.).

      It’s exciting to be like “I want to share my life with this community!!” and go into all the little details, but keeping your anonymity and the anonymity of the girls you’ve been with or are seeing is important. We’ve had girls find their FRs in the community and guys stalk other guys or the girls from FRs and it ain’t pretty lol



Women And Histrionic Personality Disorder

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Hunter
on November 8, 2014 at 8:23 pm
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30 DAY FR:

Hey all! It’s been a whirlwind 30 days… just kidding, had to knock out early cuz the 3-4 hour nights of sleep EVERY SINGLE DAY got grating on my body. Ended up being a 25 day challenge. I’ve been through a lot of… not exactly crazy experiences but there were a lot of things that got a lot easier to see and understand that I couldn’t really grasp going out only twice a week or doing slow ass daygame everyday.

Now I’m not surprised that I would come back to the CH comments and bitch about not trying stuff :)

Biggest insights I’ve learned (a shitload):

Game is A LOT less complicated than I thought. I was so desperate for sex that I just couldn’t slow down and see how easy it really is to get laid. Granted I only fucked one new girl this month (and the lay was on Halloween), I’ve had several really close experiences where I could’ve fucked the woman I was talking to but tripped myself up by responding logically:

At bar at 2AM. I open girl by trying to take her drink.

HB7.5: (mean eyes… I stare right into them)
Me: Gimme your drink.
HB7.5: (smiles) Lets share.

(sexual tension is through the roof, I can see her pokies through her skin tight black dress. I can’t believe it! What Ya says is coming true! Am I gonna fuck her tonight???)
Then… I go seeking her validation… ya know, for comfort lol
Me: How old are you? (slowly getting a little too excited…)
HB7.5: How old are you?
Me: Let me see your I.D. (smirk is turning into cheesy smile)
HB7.5: (says nothing)
We exchange I.Ds. She’s 29. I’m 24.
More staring occurs… but at this point, my alpha facade is weakening… cuz she’s so hot and shit (can’t believe I’m writing this now)
HB7.5: (backturn to her friend getting hit on by another guy)
Me: (In my head: dammit!)

Reapproach in 5 mins

Me: (grab her by the arm and turn her around) Hey
HB7.5 doesn’t really comply, is on her phone
Me: (I see she’s texting her friend) You’re a really good friend.
HB7.5: Of course, I am. (looks up at me for more masculine energy) You have pretty eyes.
Me: I thought you were a bitch at first, but you’re actually a good person. (gay routine here, starting to get desperate for a reaction)
HB7.5: Why did you think I was a bitch?
Me: Uh… cuz you weren’t nice to me (logical response, it’s over)
HB7.5: Yes I was, I said you had pretty eyes.
Me: (Laser eye contact) Yeah…
HB7.5: Maybe next time you talk to a girl (blah blah, it was over so I stopped listening)

Different set, weeknight, out alone 12:30AM:

Hot Lithuanian chick is dancing, male coworker is at nearby table. I approach by putting my straw into her drink and sipping it. She laughs, starts dancing with me (I just got in the venue by myself).

Me: What are you drinking?
Lithe7.5-8: Drink name
Me: (more physicality, but nothing too aggressive… at this point in the 30 day, don’t care about getting laid)
Lith: I’m divorced.
Me: Me too.
Lith: Where do you live?
Me: I live north. Where do you live?
Lith: I live here in the city. I have my own place. (looks away) My business partner is right there though. (leaves me)

5 mins later, I reapproach.

(More dancing. My leg is in between her legs, rubbing on her crotch with my knee. Starts rubbing her face on my face. As far as I’m concerned, I can fuck this chick. Watch how I fuck this up)

Lith: She starts moaning and tells me—“I have to go get my car”
Me: (I’m like, yeah, green light! However…) Do you have your own room? (she already answered this question. I began overthinking because I got excited)
*facepalm*
Lith: What?
Me: Uh…
Lith: I don’t do one night stands! (walks off)

10 mins later, I see her leave with her business partner. Fuck my life, again?!

Thankfully, I redeem myself Halloween night.

In my head, wing pushes me into sets. Girls react well as I start taking each set less and less seriously.

Last set I go into with “Hey, whats up?”

HB7-7.5: I… need to go home. (her words say something random, but her voice says… I wanna fuck.)
Me: Alright, let’s go. (grab her hand, lead her out the club)
As soon as we get outside, she stops.
HB7: Where are we going?
Me: This way (random ass direction)
HB7: Where specifically?
Me: Do you smoke weed?
HB7: No, I don’t.
Me: Let’s go then.

Took her hand, lead her to cab. We get in cab, heavy making out (first cab makeout! Wohoo!) We get to my place, proceed to have sex for the rest of the night. She was a squirter, left a huge ass puddle on my mattress. Was cool with it.

Oddly enough, she kept trying to pull off the condom. I really didn’t know her at all (5 min pull). Then I one point, I think I cum but I feel nothing in the condom. Pretty sure I came inside her (third time cumming on my part). She lols and says she’s on birth control. Don’t wanna risk it, so I don’t fuck her again (even though I really REALLY wanted to try unprotected sex).

Ended up getting tested that week. I’m clean (for now).

These girls were all tipsy, if that matters. But even with sober girls, I can pretty much approach anybody. Everything’s so much easier now. My frame’s on a whole other level that I never anticipated. However, the types of girls I’ve been getting (7.5s) aren’t my ideal. I’m ready for younger girls (my age and below) and 8+ girls.

Scray’s whole thing about giving value FINALLY started to make sense.

Over the course of the 30 day, I got invited to a couple tables, plenty of free drinks, even a business card (didn’t go anywhere). All because I was trying to have fun and be a regular dude and relate to guys and girls.

Body language, voice tonality are much better. Now working on standing up straight.

Sex:

I’m finding that sex is really all about me. Getting fucked/doing the fucking is awesome, but I find that that’s all I’m doing. Putting my dick in her, making out a bit, slapping her ass and that’s it. Seems boring. Maybe Sex God Method will help with this sexual expression problem I’m having.

Wingmen:

I’ve had several wingmen throughout this time. Biggest annoyance have been 1) wingmen who say they’ll show up, but don’t and 2) wingmen who act like retards. I’ve also had the luck of having wingmen who were really good at gaming. Me and GingerWing plan on being dedicated wings once he moves closer to the city. We’re the same age (24) and he and I have similar goals (main oLTR, hot fuckbuddies) so we’ll see where this leads.

I haven’t hung out with AlphaWing for a while. Main reason was that we would never approach enough while out together. I’d do an approach, and then he’d lecture me for HOURS on why should do it with different context in mind. You are the lion, women are the lionesses. They want you to be strong. You should be giving value constantly.

Trust me, I learned a lot from him, but both our games weren’t getting much better hanging out with each other (I would be really scared to fuck up in front of him, lest I get another lecture, and he wasn’t getting laid hanging around me). He also has a reputation in the nightclub scene (he’s in his early 30s) so him disappearing off of gaming completely with me is understandable.

Never paid him either so I guess he got tired of it.

I also realized that I never lead to the close before. It never occurred to me that leading the interaction forward meant leading to sex. I thought it meant lead to more time together to somehow have sex? I dunno, not sure why it took so long for me to realize that. Never did a lot of sexual innuendo until now.

I’m also way more physical now than I was before. This may backfire with 8+ girls so I’ll have to continually learn to calibrate.

Rereading Ya’s archives and Scray’s FRs… lol WAY different when you actually go out consistently.

I don’t do a bunch of mixed sets still, I usually go in them to try and take the girl. I haven’t done enough with them though, need to do more.

I’m finding improvements in my (limited) social circle as well. I’m pretty sure my friend’s gf very subtly was attracted to me (in the moment) cuz I had the balls to joke about sex. Hilarious. We don’t meet up very often though. Social circle still consists of just pickup dudes. I’m thinking of joining a comedy club or acting class, something like that.

AlphaWing told me to take about a 3 – 4 week break from night game (still going out on weekends), and I’m not surprised. Going out every night (mostly solo) drains you.

Now that I’ve mostly fixed my problems, I’ll jump back into daygame for like an hour after work and see how that goes.

For those wanting to do a 30 day:

– Plan out spots to go to every day of the week. I live in a big city not exactly close downtown, but I take the train 30 mins to get there. There are ALWAYS spots open (from a chill bar to a banging club for industry folks) each night.
– Plan out your sleep schedule if you’re primarily doing night game. I didn’t do this and got sick in the end as a result.
– It’s not as hard as you think. Just step outside your house, make small talk with people and start hitting up ladies.
– Have fun! Take time to get rid of other problems with yourself as well if you have any (negativity, depression, etc.)
– Go out with wingmen. They’ll help you spot problems you have since you can’t see yourself.
– Have goals for each day and take notes each night/next morning.

That’s pretty much it. Goals:

– Start dating – I feel like I don’t have problems running out of things to say anymore, so I should be able to easily get Day 2s and leading them back to my place. We’ll see!
– Be more social – do happy hours, clubs, stuff like that. Meetup.com is gonna be my friend.
– Fuck more hot girls… maybe a black chick? Being black, I feel like I should’ve fucked one by now…

I’m planning on doing another 30 day in a month or so. Gonna be awesome!

Sorry if this FR is a jumbled mess. I’m about to head out for a small gaming sesh.


  • Hunter
    on November 8, 2014 at 8:45 pm
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    @YaReally just posted my FR!


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 1:52 pm
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      @Hunter
      Massive props dude. I’ll do a big write-up for ya, gimme a few days.

      3 quick things:

      1) as you found, and for anyone wondering “how come he didn’t get laid more?”, the 30 Day Challenge isn’t really about getting laid every night or anything, it’s not to rack up a bunch of lays. By the halfway point most people can barely even function and are just forcing themselves to keep going and lots of people get sick (time management is huge if you’re doing night-game, as you found lol) so the last like 10-15 days of it you’re basically running on fumes. But when you’re running on fumes a lot of the bullshit in your head (outcome dependence, trying too hard, over-thinking in the moment, etc.) and you start to just entertain yourself because the whole thing has become absurd and you just kind of “do” things and you spend a lot more time “in the moment” than you did at the start or before the 30 Day Challenge when you were running around a neurotic mess.

      The 30 Day Challenge is to teach you a bunch of lessons that are hard to internalize when you casually go out once or twice a week for a couple hours. The real benefit of the 30 Day Challenge is AFTER the 30 Day Challenge, when you’ve rested up and recovered and start going out to do the shit you were doing before the challenge and the stuff you learned during that 30 Day Challenge starts kicking in. Like how lifting weights is destroying your muscles, but after you recover your muscle is stronger.

      2) take a break for sure. You don’t necessarily need to take a few weeks off or anything if you feel like going out, but get your health back to normal and get the rest of your life back on track if you had to sacrifice study time or work productivity etc., and like, just go out for a couple hours on Saturday night or something nice and simple. When you’ve fully recovered in a couple weeks, go back to the 2 nights a week or whatever you were doing before the 30 Day Challenge that fit your lifestyle.

      3) ignore the sperg comments. Every PUA who improved quickly wrote Field Reports, either for public consumption/critique or just in private as their own personal journal. It’s like an athlete analyzing videos of his performance to spot sticking points and patterns (good or bad) and figure out what to focus on to improve. The RSD guys’ Field Reports are the Hot Seat programs they run where they break down their video footage of nights out to a class. My good PUA buddy and I STILL send eachother Field Reports or go for 3am food if we don’t pull and break the entire night down set by set bouncing ideas back and forth in-between flirting with the waitresses lol

      Writing FRs is important, even if you aren’t posting them or sharing them with anyone but yourself…when you write shit out, you remember and internalize little details that would’ve escaped your memory. Like how if you want to remember a dream, you’d better write it down as soon as you wake up because a week later you’re going to remember at BEST a couple big moments from it but all the little details are going to be lost a few hours after you wake up. Writing about your night solidifies the reference experiences in your brain.

      It also helps you spot patterns like “hmm, why did I leave the set here?? I did that last week too…and the week before, lemme re-read that night…ya, here it is, as soon as the conversation goes onto a sexual topic, I get uncomfortable and run away. Ok, so next time I go out I’m going to focus on talking about sex so I can normalize this.” And then months later you can re-read your old FRs and go “shit, I’m still fucking this part up.” or “lol I can’t believe I used to do/think that! Got that fixed now, okay what else can I focus on now?”

      When you’re in the first few years ESPECIALLY, you should be doing FRs. Down the road when you’re getting laid more and have the main stuff all handled your FRs become a lot simpler and will be like, a general vibe of the night or one major interaction that made you realize something or has a puzzle you want to solve, or you might just be bouncing general ideas around. But at the start, write the fuck out of FRs.

      If you want to read Tyler, Mystery, Style, etc.’s FRs you can download their archives here (password is fastseduction.com):

      http://web.archive.org/web/20130817122905/http://www.fastseduction.com/archives/

      In the old days there was an entire section on the board for FRs, you could load it every day and find a dozen new FRs to analyze/critique and learn from. It’s why the community advanced so quickly, we were all comparing notes and figuring out what worked consistently and learning from eachother’s experiences. We used to write them as soon as the girl left, like guys would kick the girl out after sex so we could hop on the computer and type up a Lay Report while it’s all fresh in our minds lol

      Now you don’t want to think IN-FIELD. Like, in-field you want to just focus on execution and go have fun. But afterward you want to do your FRs, even if they’re private. Telling someone “don’t do FRs, that’s spergy” is like telling someone “bro don’t do specific numbers of sets at the gym and don’t write down your measurements or track the weights you’re lifting…just go in and swing some heavy shit around bro, don’t over-analyze. Don’t count your calories and track your macros, just eat “healthy” bro, don’t over-analyze”.

      Like ya, that’ll still WORK…but analyzing your nights and having a gameplan of shit to focus on when you go out is the difference between being jacked with a ripped 6-pack and just being “in shape”.


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 2:31 pm
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      “[CH: if you don’t care about your privacy or risk of discovery by the women you bed, field reports are invaluable learning tools for men.]”

      If this is a concern (and it should be), write your FRs for yourself privately for extreme security.

      But if you’re posting them publicly, don’t offer up details about what city you’re in or what bar you’re in or describe the looks of the girl (beyond whereabout on the 1/10 scale they land (to judge how other people perceive her and infer what type of life experiences she’s probably had for calibrating game) and what type of attitude they have (to judge how they perceive themselves and again infer a lot about their life for calibration), we don’t need to know she’s wearing a tiger print dress and red heels, we don’t need pics of her she’s sent you or pics of celebrities she looks like, or what type of drink you always order or what outfit you’re wearing (unless it’s relevant for a peacocking FR), or what industry you and this girl work in and where she was travelling from that you had a business conference at X hotel, or how far you and your buddy go back or what you guys were pre-drinking or what movie you watched before the bar, etc.), or name specific names of anyone.

      And if you post texts, reword them slightly incase the girl thinks you’re too clever and Googles some of what you wrote her, or post screencaps of the texts using a fake text image service like this:

      http://ifaketext.com/

      And post it to an anonymous image hosting service like imgur.com

      That way no one even sees what type of phone you have or any Exif data from phone screencaps and there’s no Googlable text because it’s on an image.

      The other reason not to write all the extra shit about the venue type and the girl’s look and how she reminds you of a sea-flower sparkling with fairy dust in under a warm moonlit night, or how you shake hands with Jake ’cause Jake doesn’t work at Bob’s Bar tonight and Jake always lets you in for free ’cause he’s a cool guy who does MMA and you two talk about MMA. So now to find you someone just has to Google Bob’s Bar and go there and talk about MMA with the bouncers and hey, there’s Jake, and here comes a black guy talking to Jake and shaking his hand and now your photos go up on the net and you get the RSDJulien witch-hunt treatment and your girls all see your Field Reports about them.

      lol, anyway the other reason not to write all that extra shit is that it generally doesn’t actually matter to the sarge. Here’s a secret: when people write “Hey YaReally can you tell me where I went wrong here?”, I don’t even READ the first half of their post, I just scroll right down to where I see quotation marks for the actual conversation and if I can’t figure it out from just the stuff in quotes, I’ll start reading upward sentence by sentence from there because that’s where the relevant information to figuring out where they fucked up is going to be (how the guy approached, what happened seconds before approaching, etc.).

      It’s exciting to be like “I want to share my life with this community!!” and go into all the little details, but keeping your anonymity and the anonymity of the girls you’ve been with or are seeing is important. We’ve had girls find their FRs in the community and guys stalk other guys or the girls from FRs and it ain’t pretty lol



Women And Histrionic Personality Disorder

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Culum Struan
on November 9, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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YaReally, Kant and the gang – not really an FR as such, but of late, I’ve been hitting up girls in other cities online and getting phone numbers to practice sexualizing, sex texts and getting her horny enough to come over.

I’ve been playing the questions game to rapidly sexualize and this stufff is pure gold. If you’r’e nonjudgmental and it is masked as a “game”, it’s amazing how quickly they open up about incredibly personal sexual stuff and how much they want to talk about it and get turned on by talking about it. Even complete strangers who’ve never met me.

I had one girl who stopped responding when I proposed playing the question game, but the other 4-5 I’ve tried it on (so far) have ALL got really into it and got into sexual stuff.

One girl literally masturbated as I WhatsApped her with a long and detailed dirty story about one of my (true) sexual experiences (I actually posted an FR about it here – the chick last month who gave me a toilet BJ). And sent me pics of her masturbating and a voice message of her cumming for me (if we’d been in the same city, she’d have been a lock for coming straight to my place right then and there while she was still horny).

I find that most girls will start to drop hints about sexualizing themselves, even with innocuous questions but you need to see the hint and push (like if I ask what kind of holiday she’d like to go on with me, one described a weekend away and said what she’d picked would give us more time alone together – that sort of thing).

Another girl – medical student, mid-20s, intelligent, bit reserved – exactly the kind of girl (albeit younger) that I’d meet in my social circle. Zero sexualization or hints dropped, but I decided since I’m not gonna meet her, I’ll push the sexualization in the question game..I really thought she was going to stop texting me, she was so formal. But BOOM. Within 30 mins she was telling me her fantasies and how she wanted to try being submissive since she was a teenager and all kinds of other stuff.

I cannot WAIT to refine my skills some more and start trying it with girls in my city who I can actually get over to my place..

A big key seems to be picking the right time – when she’s at home chilling out, ideally at bedtime (I can’t always do bedtime because the city I’ve picked is in a different timezone, but I make sure the girl is at home and not busy).


  • YaReally
    on November 9, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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    @Culum
    “but you need to see the hint and push (like if I ask what kind of holiday she’d like to go on with me, one described a weekend away and said what she’d picked would give us more time alone together – that sort of thing). ”

    Yup. Most guys miss these hints. That’s the point of them, they’re subtle to see if the guy will figure them out (then he’s a sexworthy alpha guy who assumes girls want to talk about sex) or blow past them (then he’s probably not a guy who gets laid much). This happens in real life sarges too. One of the major differences between the best Natural I’ve ever known and normal guys is that the Natural spots all these little escalation windows and takes them. So it looks like magic to anyone watching, but he’s just reading the girl’s cues and not missing any of them. Another guy might bang her after 3 dates having missed like 90% of her hints but eventually stumbling across the finish line. But that Natural (and a good PUA) is just not missing any windows.

    This is just field experience and doing what you’re doing: specifically watching for those windows and taking them to see what happens. I have an insane radar for those windows and constantly have to tell my PUA buddy “dude, go for it, she’s into you” while he’s still going “are you sure? I dunno man–” and in my head I’m like ahhhhh how can you not see these signs?? lol

    “Zero sexualization or hints dropped, but I decided since I’m not gonna meet her, I’ll push the sexualization in the question game..I really thought she was going to stop texting me, she was so formal. But BOOM.”

    Yup. This is basically what I did. I hated interacting with boring girls so I would try to just blow the set by talking about sex stuff and surprisingly they loved it. Now I talk about sex all the time and I know girls love it, but I had no idea before, I was legitimately just fucking around lol Same with online game, I would just spam message a ton of chicks, didn’t matter if they weren’t hot (don’t even need to use your real picture if you’re just using this for training purposes) and try to turn the conversation to sex as fast as possible to learn the calibration for how to smoothly transition into sexual topics. And because I don’t have a car and I’m too poor to go on dates etc. I would try to get them to just come over to my place to bang (also from other nearby cities).

    I wasn’t just spam inviting “hey wanna cum over?”, I was purposely strategically running game every time and honing the skillset, until I was consistently getting positive responses. Then if the girl was decent looking enough I’d let her actually come over and if she wasn’t I’d just vanish or make up an excuse to cancel on her lol

    This isn’t something you can learn from reading, you have to actively go apply it like you did and collect the reference experiences for yourself as they relate to you and your personality.

    Any guy who’s stuck inside for the winter too snowed in to go to bars should throw up an online profile (with a fake pic of someone who looks similar to you if you have a GF or don’t want anyone to recognize you in public), and just practice escalating to sex talk until they can do it smoothly, then when you get the training wheels of how to do it online you do it when you’re out in real life and start the whole learning calibration process over again in real life and by this time next year you could be routinely talking to girls you’ve just met about what kind of panties they’re wearing or whether they’ve done anal lol

    “A big key seems to be picking the right time – when she’s at home chilling out, ideally at bedtime (I can’t always do bedtime because the city I’ve picked is in a different timezone, but I make sure the girl is at home and not busy).”

    Yup. Read my shit about texting for more on timing. Sending a txt at 11am VS noon VS 5pm VS 10pm will all get you completely different results from the same text to the same girl. Girls run on emotions and like I mentioned to walawala about how they flake because their emotional state has changed, you want to try to time your texts to hit certain emotional states they’re likely to be in, for optimal results. Some guys would call it “over-thinking” and be like “I just txt when I feel like it bro” but I would bet my text game is light years tighter than theirs.



Women And Histrionic Personality Disorder

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Culum Struan
on November 9, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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YaReally, Kant and the gang – not really an FR as such, but of late, I’ve been hitting up girls in other cities online and getting phone numbers to practice sexualizing, sex texts and getting her horny enough to come over.

I’ve been playing the questions game to rapidly sexualize and this stufff is pure gold. If you’r’e nonjudgmental and it is masked as a “game”, it’s amazing how quickly they open up about incredibly personal sexual stuff and how much they want to talk about it and get turned on by talking about it. Even complete strangers who’ve never met me.

I had one girl who stopped responding when I proposed playing the question game, but the other 4-5 I’ve tried it on (so far) have ALL got really into it and got into sexual stuff.

One girl literally masturbated as I WhatsApped her with a long and detailed dirty story about one of my (true) sexual experiences (I actually posted an FR about it here – the chick last month who gave me a toilet BJ). And sent me pics of her masturbating and a voice message of her cumming for me (if we’d been in the same city, she’d have been a lock for coming straight to my place right then and there while she was still horny).

I find that most girls will start to drop hints about sexualizing themselves, even with innocuous questions but you need to see the hint and push (like if I ask what kind of holiday she’d like to go on with me, one described a weekend away and said what she’d picked would give us more time alone together – that sort of thing).

Another girl – medical student, mid-20s, intelligent, bit reserved – exactly the kind of girl (albeit younger) that I’d meet in my social circle. Zero sexualization or hints dropped, but I decided since I’m not gonna meet her, I’ll push the sexualization in the question game..I really thought she was going to stop texting me, she was so formal. But BOOM. Within 30 mins she was telling me her fantasies and how she wanted to try being submissive since she was a teenager and all kinds of other stuff.

I cannot WAIT to refine my skills some more and start trying it with girls in my city who I can actually get over to my place..

A big key seems to be picking the right time – when she’s at home chilling out, ideally at bedtime (I can’t always do bedtime because the city I’ve picked is in a different timezone, but I make sure the girl is at home and not busy).


  • YaReally
    on November 9, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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    @Culum
    “but you need to see the hint and push (like if I ask what kind of holiday she’d like to go on with me, one described a weekend away and said what she’d picked would give us more time alone together – that sort of thing). ”

    Yup. Most guys miss these hints. That’s the point of them, they’re subtle to see if the guy will figure them out (then he’s a sexworthy alpha guy who assumes girls want to talk about sex) or blow past them (then he’s probably not a guy who gets laid much). This happens in real life sarges too. One of the major differences between the best Natural I’ve ever known and normal guys is that the Natural spots all these little escalation windows and takes them. So it looks like magic to anyone watching, but he’s just reading the girl’s cues and not missing any of them. Another guy might bang her after 3 dates having missed like 90% of her hints but eventually stumbling across the finish line. But that Natural (and a good PUA) is just not missing any windows.

    This is just field experience and doing what you’re doing: specifically watching for those windows and taking them to see what happens. I have an insane radar for those windows and constantly have to tell my PUA buddy “dude, go for it, she’s into you” while he’s still going “are you sure? I dunno man–” and in my head I’m like ahhhhh how can you not see these signs?? lol

    “Zero sexualization or hints dropped, but I decided since I’m not gonna meet her, I’ll push the sexualization in the question game..I really thought she was going to stop texting me, she was so formal. But BOOM.”

    Yup. This is basically what I did. I hated interacting with boring girls so I would try to just blow the set by talking about sex stuff and surprisingly they loved it. Now I talk about sex all the time and I know girls love it, but I had no idea before, I was legitimately just fucking around lol Same with online game, I would just spam message a ton of chicks, didn’t matter if they weren’t hot (don’t even need to use your real picture if you’re just using this for training purposes) and try to turn the conversation to sex as fast as possible to learn the calibration for how to smoothly transition into sexual topics. And because I don’t have a car and I’m too poor to go on dates etc. I would try to get them to just come over to my place to bang (also from other nearby cities).

    I wasn’t just spam inviting “hey wanna cum over?”, I was purposely strategically running game every time and honing the skillset, until I was consistently getting positive responses. Then if the girl was decent looking enough I’d let her actually come over and if she wasn’t I’d just vanish or make up an excuse to cancel on her lol

    This isn’t something you can learn from reading, you have to actively go apply it like you did and collect the reference experiences for yourself as they relate to you and your personality.

    Any guy who’s stuck inside for the winter too snowed in to go to bars should throw up an online profile (with a fake pic of someone who looks similar to you if you have a GF or don’t want anyone to recognize you in public), and just practice escalating to sex talk until they can do it smoothly, then when you get the training wheels of how to do it online you do it when you’re out in real life and start the whole learning calibration process over again in real life and by this time next year you could be routinely talking to girls you’ve just met about what kind of panties they’re wearing or whether they’ve done anal lol

    “A big key seems to be picking the right time – when she’s at home chilling out, ideally at bedtime (I can’t always do bedtime because the city I’ve picked is in a different timezone, but I make sure the girl is at home and not busy).”

    Yup. Read my shit about texting for more on timing. Sending a txt at 11am VS noon VS 5pm VS 10pm will all get you completely different results from the same text to the same girl. Girls run on emotions and like I mentioned to walawala about how they flake because their emotional state has changed, you want to try to time your texts to hit certain emotional states they’re likely to be in, for optimal results. Some guys would call it “over-thinking” and be like “I just txt when I feel like it bro” but I would bet my text game is light years tighter than theirs.



The Forms Of Female Attention Whoring

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YaReally
on November 7, 2014 at 2:05 pm
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Just want to mention that often these girls are smokin’ hot and pure feminine id unchained because the hottest ones go through life getting thousands of Likes (metaphorical or otherwise) a day for everything they say and do no matter how stupid or shitty or mundane it is where an average/ugly chick will still get 1000x more than a guy would get but it’s not quite as insane as the hot girl.

Imagine if no matter what you did or no matter how fucked up you were or how boring a human being you were, hundreds of thousands of people a day were telling you you’re perfect and amazing and everything you do is genius. Every day since you were like 14. It would be hard not to come out of that with a warped sense of reality.

Not to mention the other side of the coin that people often don’t think about: imagine how paranoid you would get if you knew that NOBODY around you was real. NOBODY would tell you their true feelings, EVERYONE was telling you what they think you want to hear. No matter how shitty you acted, and you KNEW…you KNEW you were doing something horrible and shitty, but EVERYONE around you from your close friends to your family to your orbiters to Facebook people etc., were ALL telling you what you did was fine…and you KNEW they couldn’t POSSIBLY **ACTUALLY** think that because what you did was horrible, so you KNEW they were lying and no matter how much you called them out on it or BEGGED them to get mad at you or discipline you or tell you you’ve hurt them, they just keep telling you “no no, it’s fine” with a weak smile and will never tell you how bad you’ve hurt them or when you’re fucking up or doing something wrong or crossed a line because no one wants to critique the pretty and popular girl.

Imagine what spending ages 14-25 would feel like going through that daily. Celebrities surrounded by Yes-men probably experience a similar thing. It would be like Jim Carrey in Pleasantville where he knows something is going wrong and everyone is acting strange but he can’t quite figure it out. You would never feel “normal”.

I used to bang a smokin hot girl who confessed to me that she would purposely be shitty to her close girlfriends because she was DYING for her friend to just bitch her out and call her out on being a bitch and make her feel like a normal human being who gets called out on her actions. This is often why when you call a girl out on her shitty behavior (like she’s on her period being a bitch and you tell flat out that she’s being a bitch and to txt you when she’s calmed down and freeze her out), she’ll actually THANK you and be like “I’m sorry I WAS being a bitch :( It’s just that bla bla– Thanks for calling me out” and she’ll respect you more and stay attracted.

Now a lot of guys write these girls off as crazy bitches and just don’t want to deal with them because they want some quiet nice submissive chick, which is great for a long-term relationship, but sometimes the hot crazy chick is fun to have as a casual fuckbuddy in your life because she’s usually energetic/bubbly and full of cute emotional feminine energy, is hot to look at, and often the sex is intense (though that same “praise them no matter how boring they are” thing can make them shitty lays because no one expects them to be good lol), and you can generally trust that they don’t have many sexual partners and won’t cheat on you because most men can’t get through their first line of shit-tests let alone hold their frame through all the chaos to where the girl is even sexually attracted to them…for a girl fucking a boring/lame/weak-framed/supplicating guy is like a guy fucking a 300lbs land-whale…you’d rather go home solo or text the hot chick you met at the bar last week instead of waste your time.

These girls bowl over most guys because most guys aren’t prepared for their personality type and get caught up in their drama etc. because they wanted the girl to be the quiet Good Girl type and have no idea they’ve walked into a minefield.

But what I wanted to point out is that these girls are TOTALLY manageable if you’re prepared and understand their psychology. These types of girls love me because I’m one of the few guys who doesn’t flinch at their crazy or get sucked into it or give them unwarranted validation etc. So they have a dozen guys begging to take them to expensive restaurants and begging to fuck them and begging to do favors for them, but they’ll brush those guys off to come over to fuck me and want to fuck me because I’m not handing it out for free to her like other guys, I’m making her earn it. No one values a prize they didn’t have to earn.

As long as you understand that they’re GOING to constantly try to shit-test you for validation/attention, because they want to see if they can get you to validate them and give them your time/attention for nothing like all the other guys, you’re fine and you can enjoy the benefits of having these girls as FBs.

All their “mysterious illness the doctors can’t figure out :(” texts, all their “look at me I’m at the gym working up a sweat!” pics, all their “I’m mad at you…” vague txts you’re “supposed” to be curious about etc. All of that is just to see if you’ll react. If you ignore it all or lol at it or tease her about it etc., she’ll love it and be super attracted because you’re the ONLY guy who’s validation/attention she has to earn.

So when she texts “I’m mad at you…” most guys will text “why?” or worse “why babe? whatever I did I’m sorry” and enter her frame. But YOU text “lol you’re always mad at me. Are you PMSing or what” and she’ll pretend to be outraged that you aren’t taking her seriously so she’ll shoot something like “this is SERIOUS” and you go “lol” and then just stop texting…like so you’re not ASKING her to tell you why she’s mad. If she wants to tell you, she’ll just tell you. This is super frustrating for her in an attractive way because she isn’t really mad at you or if she is it’s over something silly like she dreamt you were cheating on her or whatever.

So when you actively DON’T take her bait, she loves it, and your life stays drama free. If she txts “I think I have ebola” (actual txt one of these girls sends me every few weeks lol) most guys will reply with “babe are you okay? are you sick? do you need me to come over?” but I’ll reply with “you don’t have ebola.” and she’ll say “no seriously I’m really sick :(” and instead of something like “aww what’s wrong?” or “do you need me to come over?” I’ll say “that’s cause your diet is shit” and just completely not take her pretend issue seriously. If she sends a pic of her food I’ll tell her “how come you never cook that for me. never gonna wife you up at this rate” or just not respond at all. If she sends a sexy pic I’ll often just not respond for a few hours until she txts “FINE THEN ignore me wow we’re done” and a few hours later I’ll just txt “lol no you love me” and we’re back to normal with her fully attracted.

It’s like always staying one step outside of her frame. Kind of like Cat String Theory where a cat will ignore a string that’s in reach but it’ll drive itself crazy trying to catch a string that’s always just barely out of reach.

If you can internalize the mindset of not taking her validation/attention bait while not taking anything she says seriously at all, it’s entirely possible to make these girls fuckbuddies or even have a relationship with them. If you go for an LTR you have to understand that they will NEVER LET UP. Ever. They will test you like this until the day you die when you’re both 80. This is just how they communicate and interact with the world and how they test that their man’s frame is still strong and attractive and they can still trust that nothing phases him. They’re not necessarily bad people (but watch out for the ones who go into actual cluster-B territory where they’re actually doing damage like they’re trying to get your attention by actually cutting themselves instead of just by telling you they’re mad at you for ignoring the pic they sent)…guys just don’t understand how to handle them.

Whether this is worth it or not is up to you and your personal tastes. I’m not saying these girls are ideal or anything, I just want to point out that they can be handled if you understand how for the sake of spreading that game knowledge. For me, some of my favorite girls have been this type because I like being around that bubbly chaotic feminine energy. Keeps me on my toes and challenges me and strengthens my frame (it’s like lifting a heavy weight at the gym (a girl who constantly shit-tests me and forces me to not break my frame) VS a light weight (a sweet Good Girl who doesn’t test much)). They’re often good people underneath with a strong nurturing instinct that comes with that feminine energy…but most guys never get past that “this bitch is crazy” wall lol


  • mendozatorres
    on November 7, 2014 at 3:52 pm
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    “for a girl fucking a boring/lame/weak-framed/supplicating guy is like a guy fucking a 300lbs land-whale…”

    GOLD!


    • YaReally
      on November 7, 2014 at 4:23 pm
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      A lot of guys have trouble grasping this concept because we project our biological values and society’s social conditioning on women.

      So it’s VERY difficult for a guy to wrap his head around how a guy who’s 6’4″ super good-looking jacked with a 6-pack driving a BMW wearing an expensive suit can still repulse a girl with beta behavior the same way we’re repulsed by a 300lbs land-whale with makeup and corset on. Under all that other stuff is still the boring/lame/weak-framed/supplicating guy, just like under the makeup and corset is a 300lbs land-whale.

      Like, they COULD fuck the guy, easily, they snap their fingers and he’ll come running to fuck them. And they know it. And you’d think “well he’s this 6’4″ super good-looking jacked with a 6-pack driving a BMW wearing an expensive suit guy, so if she’s horny and lonely one Saturday night she’s going to call him over to bang her.”

      But force the analogy to stay consistent in your head and you’ll understand: Just how horny and lonely would you have to BE to fuck a 300lbs land-whale even if she’s wearing makeup and a corset? You would probably choose to masturbate and be celibate for a year over sticking your dick in her flabby sweaty-fold cheese-curdled pussy, instead you’d probably hold out for the hot 10/10 chick you’re working on who you almost have but is just barely dangling out of your reach but you know you’ll get her sooner or later and it’ll be 10000x more rewarding than fucking that 300lbs land-whale.

      That 300lbs land-whale could put on heels and lingerie and you STILL wouldn’t want to fuck her because she repulses you and you think “god what a waste of a sexy outfit, for it to be on this 300lbs land-whale.”

      Exact same shit for a girl except the 300lbs land-whale is beta behavior. One of my girls met a hot guy who was just lame/beta (dude got super clingy on her) and she was just like “god what a waste of good genetics” lol

      They would LOVE if the alpha dominant dude ALSO had all that money and looks shit, just like you’d love if Megan Fox begged to suck your dick and was also wearing sexy lingerie…but they’ll still happily take the alpha dominant dude without all that stuff over the other guy with beta behavior, just like you’d still take a BJ from Megan Fox if she was wearing an ugly dress over the 300lbs land-whale in lingerie.

      This is one of the hardest concepts to get guys to understand because a lot of guys don’t spend time around women talking about this stuff and you need to see/feel this in action to really internalize it because the social conditioning that told us “the good looking rich guy will always get the girl even if he’s beta or has no game” is strong. That guy will definitely get the girl…as long as no one interferes and she has no alpha options available. In an empty room with 1 alpha ugly guy and 1 beta good-looking guy and a girl, if the alpha ugly guy sits in a corner and lets the girl focus on the beta good-looking guy, she’ll probably choose that guy. But the second that alpha ugly guy AMOGs the good-looking guy or teases the girl or a playboy model comes in and hugs him and walks away or he in SOME way demonstrates high-value to the girl, that beta good-looking guy is just “a waste of good genetics”. You might fuck that 300lbs land-whale if you’ve been a virgin for 20 years and have NO other options at all…but the second even a 6/10 walks into the room, you’ll focus on that girl and the 300lbs land-whale isn’t even remotely an option in your head anymore.

      Often the guys who bang a lot of girls often are still doing it from an “I don’t want to hear about other guys” and “you better only be fucking ME” frame where the girl doesn’t feel comfortable telling them she banged a lame but good-looking beta orbiter a few weeks ago because she was horny or used one of them for a free expensive dinner without putting out etc. and he was there and the guy she REALLY wanted turned her down (so he wasn’t an available option) or she isn’t impressed with any of the guys around her (so again she has no better option) and shows you that she hasn’t txted the guy since because she isn’t actually into him while you both lol at his sad “hello?” “do you want to go out?” “did I do something wrong?” “hey are you mad at me? what did I do?” texts filling the screen.

      The reason I’m not insecure, despite the fact that anyone looking at me would be like “uhh, this guy is average looking at best and should probably lose a few pounds and buy a new shirt” is because I fully understand how this dynamic works. This is really just Hypergamy in action, but Hypergamy is based on internal core alpha traits, not socially conditioned external values (which spending all your time trying to achieve often results in you not spending enough time achieving those internal traits since there’s only so much time in the day and a lot of guys hit the gym or work hard to make money to get girls and not for their own benefit so they’re already starting from bad wiring they’ll have to undo later).


  • walawala
    on November 7, 2014 at 7:19 pm
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    YaReally Great post as always. As a follow up to my original post, I would say never ask: “What’s wrong?” when a girl starts bitching. Big mistake. The answer will always be “nothing” or some accusation that puts you on the defensive.

    A few anecdotes connected to it. I was seeing a girl at the start of the year, 34 teacher, quite attractive, slim. I pulled away because she was starting to get too clingy at a time I was in my “FTOW” stage. She would send texts like: “I’ve found a lump in my breast I need to go to get it checked tomorrow, so worried.”

    I wouldn’t respond immediately. she’d follow up with “Don’t you care?”
    Me: Drama queen. or some other non-sequitor.

    Far from being mad at me it only made her chase more. She would also send texts like “I think I’m about to be fired….” That also was my cue to follow up. I didn’t. Always, the drama will end. Rarely is that drama anything serious.

    Second point, my crazy ex gf was hot and a dancer so I suspect no guy ever said no or called her out on her crap—apart from me. The minute I bought into her “You’re the worse boyfriend in the world” shit…was the minute I totally lost frame. Her favorite trick was to text me: “I’m in trouble”…. I would always say “Why?” and then it would start..

    Finally my oneitis has been cured but it was a huge struggle.

    Finally, a cute girl I’ve now got in my rotation has “issues”—claims to me she’s seeing a shrink, is depressed and on medication. Thought up to now she never displayed any of that flakey behavior the other day we took a class together and she was completely aloof to me to the point of being rude. I left without saying bye, left it for a few days, sent her a ping text, she didn’t reply so I left it.

    The point of all these stories is that now by feeding the beast in these girls with attention, I doesn’t do any good.

    Your advice of the “soft next” works, but it only works if it’s congruent with being a cool guy from the start. In the two above cases: teacher and cute girl, I was always using amused mastery so their distancing antics never warranted any sort of serious reaction. In the case of crazy ex, I was overly invested and quite serious about that so I think she flipped the script and I lost hand in that situation.

    Never ask a girl “What’s wrong?”


    • YaReally
      on November 9, 2014 at 2:04 pm
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      @walawala

      Agree completely. A big part of why I know not to take any of this shit seriously is just that I’ve spent a lot of time around these girls. Most guys are blindsided by them because they’re expecting the Disney Princess nice girl they visualized in their head before they started going out and actually talking to girls.

      I think girls always DID this, but it didn’t provide the extreme validation it does now…before texting, Facebook, Twitter, etc. a girl could like, phone you up to tell you she thinks she’s getting fired or her tummy hurts and she thinks she has ebola. But now she can shoot that out in a mass text or on social media and get dozens of concerned/validating responses, if not hundreds (if she’s a popular chick like a