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Zombie Shane
on January 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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> “Someone new to game will say, “Ah, the crass beer goggles line is the ticket to endless poon!” without realizing that the game is not the line, but instead is, as YaReally stated, the underlying concept of “push/tease/disqualify”.”

This is PRECISELY the sort of thing that I’ve been saying about how we need to start making a list and categorizing the various lines by THE IQ OF THE CHICK WHO WILL BE ON THE RECEIVING END of the line in question.

If you try “I could get a lapdance for that $20″ on a chick with an IQ of 130+ with an IVY or near-IVY edumakashun, who doesn’t otherwise know you, and has no other information by which to judge you, then she will recoil from you in disgust.

Whereas, “no high maintenance” is much more of what you want to be hitting the super smart chicks with.

That and dropping some not so subtle hints about how they WILL be expected to cook dinner for you.


  • Scray
    on January 30, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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    I’m telling you IQ is less important than you believe it is. Women generally just appreciate being flirted with — you’re making the mistake of thinking they’re listening to the content of your words. They’re more listening to your tone and watching how you carry yourself for cues on how to react.


    • Tilikum
      on January 30, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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      in the middle of the curve…average women and men.. yes.

      BUT if you are on this site and learning this shit then you are exhibiting the ability to observe, assess, judge the situation properly, and then act……. to adapt….. that places you above the average range.

      this, in time, elevates you (and if you are doing it right and focusing on congruence) out of the average. this means that you will draw attentions of smarter, more feminine chicks with a supply problem. possibly the ones worthy of your paternal investment.

      broads read this reality and judge you on your merits in two seconds. if you really want to become a superior man, don’t fight it. :)


      • Zombie Shane
        on January 30, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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        The really hard thing is recalibrating on the fly.

        Either badly over-estimating a chick’s IQ, and lobbing a Monty-Python-esque rib-splitter way over her head.

        Or else badly under-estimating a chick’s IQ, and saying something really crass and déclassé in what should you should have realized to be a much more formal setting.

        In either direction, going with the wrong line [either way too smart, or way too dumb] is gonna get you labeled as “creepy”, unless you can think on your feet and come up with a way to reframe the conversation in the blink of an eye.

        Here I find that HBD Theory [Human Bio Diversity Theory] is hugely beneficial.

        For much of the last few years, I’ve spent a lot of time studying folks’ facial bone structures, and nose shapes, and lip shapes, and hair types, and body curvature, etc etc etc…

        And I’m getting to the point where I can pretty much distinguish whether a light-skinned chick is of British or German extraction, whether an olive-skinned chick is of Sicilian or Jewish extraction, etc etc etc.

        And just knowing her genealogical stock [and what HBD Theory would then predict about her intelligence and her personality and her outlook on life] is hugely beneficial in figuring out how to frame your approach.

        Beyond that – any little piece of information you can glean – the bumper sticker on the back of her car or the slogan on her tee shirt ["Yes We Can" -vs- "Duck Dynasty"], a glance over her shoulder at her iTunes playlist ["Mozart Violin Concerto" -vs- Beyoncé grinding with Jay Z], the book she’s carrying in her hand [Jane Austen versus Harlequin Romance], etc etc etc.

        Any insight whatsoever which will help to give you a foundation upon which to build your plan of attack.


        • Zombie Shane
          on January 30, 2014 at 4:04 pm
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          1) Example of overshooting and having to go hard downmarket on the fly:

          It’s only May 15th, and she’s already dressed in white.

          YOU: “I thought y’all womenfolk weren’t supposed to be wearing white until after Memorial Day…”

          HER [with a quizzical look on her face]: “Wha chew talkin bout?”

          YOU [reframing on the fly]: “Oh, I just heard that it was kinda like taking a deer out of season and then hoping and praying that the Game Warden don’t find out about it.”

          ***************

          2) Example of undershooting and having to go hard upmarket on the fly.

          You’re walking to class and you think that you recognize the book in her arms as being “Theory and Practicum for the Licensed Nurse’s Aide.”

          YOU: “So you’re studying about changing them bedpans?”

          HER [with a look of horror on her face]: “WHAT?!? This is Theory and Practical Examples in Ancient Greek.”

          YOU [reframing on the fly]: “Yes, and I said, ‘Are you studying the Attic second declension?’”

          HER: “Huh?”

          YOU: “The Attic second declension. You’ll learn about it next semester. Here, carry my backpack for me.”


          • YaReally
            on January 31, 2014 at 9:06 am
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            @Zombie

            God. Just stop posting. Please. Just stop.

            “Either badly over-estimating a chick’s IQ, and lobbing a Monty-Python-esque rib-splitter way over her head.

            Or else badly under-estimating a chick’s IQ, and saying something really crass and déclassé in what should you should have realized to be a much more formal setting.”

            You’re reacting to her. Whoever reacts more to the other person has lower value. Your entire jockey theory complete with terribly awkward imaginary approaches is based around “how can I impress her??” instead of “does she qualify to be with me?”

            Just no. Please. Stop posting. I’m only like 4 posts into your comments in this thread and I can see there’s more and I’ll end up reading them to watch the train wreck but please stop and go outside.


  • tteclod
    on January 30, 2014 at 2:15 pm
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    YaReally clearly explains that the specific lines relate to the item being sold, which is the PUA, not the target of his sales pitch. Not that adjustment according to target isn’t appropriate, but the PUA is a single product, so the sales technique needn’t be fine-tuned for every conceivable woman – only the women he’s pursuing. I think that gets lost here occasionally.

    To extend his analogy: I am what I drive – a Dodge Ram. Selling myself as a Prius will fail the first time I belch. From that viewpoint, I’d need to disqualify and tease according to my no-go rules. Perhaps some tease about how vegan girls won’t grill steak. If she’s interested, she’ll explain to me how she’s a BBQ expert. If she’s really interested, she’ll prove it. I still use this occasionally in marriage, but one must tread carefully or eat out of a can.

    BTW: This stuff is golden in business. You want your clients to qualify themselves to you. “Yes, we’ve been in business for years. Yes, our clients are capitalized with plenty of income. Yes, we pay consultants promptly, but please would you change the payment schedule to 45 days instead of 30 days?” It also helps to encourage your clients to shop your fees after you’ve established you’re more competent than the competition. After some piss-poor projects, they’ll come back hat in hand.


    • Zombie Shane
      on January 30, 2014 at 3:18 pm
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      > “YaReally clearly explains that the specific lines relate to the item being sold, which is the PUA, not the target of his sales pitch.”

      You do NOT sell a 12-cylinder BMW Super Sedan to someone in the market for a Ford F-150 pickup truck.

      Nor do you cell a 500-HP limited edition Camaro to someone in the market for a VW Beetle Convertible.

      Your sales pitch MUST BE TAILORED to the buyer.

      And if you throw the wrong sales pitch at her, then you are going to quickly get yourself labelled as the creepiest of all possible creepy old used car salesmen pervert creeps.

      Again: CHOOSE THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB!!!


      • tteclod
        on January 30, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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        facepalm


        • Troubadour
          on January 31, 2014 at 4:53 am
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          If you’re a fantastic actor you might be able to pull off presenting yourself either as a 12-cylinder BMW Super Sedan or as a Ford F-150. However, it’s a lot of work trying to present yourself as something you really aren’t, and this is where incongruity can seep in quickly and easily. If you’re a Ford F-150, find chicks who like F-150s and sell yourself as what you are.

          To do otherwise presumes that some random chick off the street is worth so much that it’s worth changing your entire personality to match whatever she wants. She wants the Bimmer, you have to be the Bimmer, because this is the girl you gotta have, and that’s what you gotta do to get this one.

          I can definitely see both sides of the issue though. To some extent, I CAN be either a Bimmer or an F-150. I’m an educated, literate, tech savvy, blue collar working man who does a lot of working man kind of stuff for hobbies, and a lot of educated man kind of stuff for hobbies. I’m very well-rounded, and I can move up or down to suit my audience, TO SOME EXTENT. (Moving down is much easier. If you’re not too good to get your hands dirty, rednecks will respect you, even if you have a fancy sheepskin, but the reverse definitely isn’t true. Being a guy with a sheepskin who gets his hands dirty for a living has isolated me from “my people,” ie. SWPLs, to a huge extent.)

          That being said, if you’re trying to figure out whether to be the Bimmer or the Ford to get The Girl you have your sights on, you’re DOOMED. That’s EXACTLY what I did with that chick I was gaming. I couldn’t figure out who to be, and I literally hit her with everything all at once, in a totally desperate way.

          The lesson Troubadour is taking from that misadventure is fuck all that. I’m just going to be me, and find the right buyers. Surely there have to be some out there somewhere.


          • YaReally
            on January 31, 2014 at 9:23 am
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            “YaReally is gaming HB8/HB9/HB10 strippers in Atlantic City and “working girls” in hotel casinos in Las Vegas.”

            ahhh, finally, the “game only works on drunk bar sluts” argument. Classic. How long have you been reading CH? Lol

            I banged an accountant with a boyfriend last night (I’m reading your gay posts on the bus on my way home lol) and I’ve had lawyers, pharmacists, teachers, etc in the past. I get girls talking about sex and fetishes at high-end daytime gatherings just like the bar star chicks in a club. Intelligent women get wet just like every other woman…try being sexually interesting instead of talking about boring shit like Ulysses lol


      • YaReally
        on January 31, 2014 at 9:15 am
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        “You do NOT sell a 12-cylinder BMW Super Sedan to someone in the market for a Ford F-150 pickup truck.
        Nor do you cell a 500-HP limited edition Camaro to someone in the market for a VW Beetle Convertible.”

        The art in being a pickup artist is in convincing the person looking for a pickup truck that they want the BMW, and in convincing the person looking for a Beetle that they want the Camaro, not in changing the product being sold.


  • YaReally
    on January 31, 2014 at 8:08 am
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    “If you try “I could get a lapdance for that $20″ on a chick with an IQ of 130+ with an IVY or near-IVY edumakashun, who doesn’t otherwise know you, and has no other information by which to judge you, then she will recoil from you in disgust.”

    Keyboard jockeying nonsense. Leave your basement and start approaching girls instead of wasting people’s time with this theoretical shit. If anything a higher IQ chick enjoys it more because it stands out from the gay intellectual shit guys in her peer group drop on her.

    Fucking jockeys.


    • Matthew King
      on January 31, 2014 at 9:24 am
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      Protip for newbs and rubes: Whenever this YaReally character screeches “keyboard jockey” and GO OUT MOAR, it is the telltale sign the conversation has strayed beyond his expertise (such as it is) and he is out of his depth. N’ he don’t like it.

      It’s a little brat who loses the party’s attention for a moment and has to cry out “poopie head!” so that the focus comes back to him and his pretend-fiefdom of rigid, hyperspecialized, guttersnipe knowledge.

      That’s the problem with singling out his observations and featuring them in posts. Or the overpraise from fellow rising omega urchins. It puts ants in his pants, and he begins imagining he knows more than he does. He’s the equivalent of a Obamanian community organizer for hobos, but rather than being homeless, they’re sexless.

      He’d be so much more tolerable if he stuck to what he sees and hears and left the big picture stuff to those of us who have transcended lefty platitudes and intellectual insecurities.

      Matt


      • YaReally
        on January 31, 2014 at 10:12 am
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        “It’s a little brat who loses the party’s attention for a moment and has to cry out “poopie head!” so that the focus comes back to him”

        And what do you think your post is?


        • Matthew King
          on January 31, 2014 at 11:04 am
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          And now you double down on the brattiness with I know you are but what am I?

          In the first sentence: my post is information for newbs and rubes who might, like you, mistake an attaboy for the declaration of your universal expertise. And it’s a reminder for long-time observers who know the score.

          You’re much more effective when you silently pass on these topics under the principle of, “Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

          And you’re not even thought a fool! You are counted a guru. But this doesn’t satisfy for some reason, and so you insist on devolving the conversation down to goers-out-more vs. goers-out-less, with everyone who disagrees with you automatically qualifying for the latter classification.

          You are bounded in a nutshell but count yourself king of infinite space. You’re better, even tolerable, when you are humbler, when you dial it back and concentrate on what value you can add to this forum in the many places you can add it — rather than remaining in permanent astonishment that other men have other legitimate conclusions and interests. But this is old news.

          Matt


          • YaReally
            on January 31, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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            “and so you insist on devolving the conversation down to goers-out-more vs. goers-out-less, with everyone who disagrees with you automatically qualifying for the latter classification.”

            This only bugs you because as we all know, you don’t go out and approach girls and you hate the idea that your opinion should instantly be treated with skepticism if not out-right discounted based on that, because you have no intention of ever going out and think your armchair theorizing should allow you to sit at the adult’s table.

            You’re out of your paygrade, sorry. That’s not a judgement on you as a person. If you started going out and posting your analyses 1) it would align with what the guys who go out say because we come to similar conclusions from field experience, and 2) I would support your posts like I support anyone else’s.

            I’m shitting on Zombie Shane because his retarded examples are directly contradicting how shit works in the real world and that’s confusing to newbies who don’t yet know better.

            “But this is old news.”

            So quit rehashing it. Pretty sure no one but Greg gives a shit about your opinion on me.



Erudite Knight
on January 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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Setting frame is huge, you want to be known as the guy that says things others think ‘I can’t believe he just said that, I could never say that’.

It’s a lot more free.


  • YaReally
    on January 31, 2014 at 9:36 am
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    Yep.

    There’s a vid by Tyler talking about how people loved the Gangnam guy because his no fucks given attitude allows everyone to cut loose and act silly but I’m too tired to dig out the link. You can also see this in that YouTube clip where the solo dancing guy at a music festival instigates an entire crowd of dancers just by being the most “free” person there.

    This is actually a big part of my style of game and it’s why I can get high-IQ chicks and both men/women love me in high-end environments: I’m willing to risk being “that guy” by making the first inappropriate comment. Generally a few people won’t be having it but there’s always at least one person who lol’s, and I riff with them and because we’re having more fun then other people join in and cut loose and eventually even the people who acted turned off by my behavior at first feel the social pressure to come around and quit being stuffy and let loose…next thing you know I have a group of high-class people talking about sex and throwing back drinks like they’re teenagers again.

    But it’s because I instigate it and go first and I’m congruent and calibrate as I go. Without me they’d be talking about Ulysses all night trying to out-impress eachother, concerned more about whether everyone approves of them than whether they’re having fun.



The Universality Of Game Concepts

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Zombie Shane
on January 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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> “Someone new to game will say, “Ah, the crass beer goggles line is the ticket to endless poon!” without realizing that the game is not the line, but instead is, as YaReally stated, the underlying concept of “push/tease/disqualify”.”

This is PRECISELY the sort of thing that I’ve been saying about how we need to start making a list and categorizing the various lines by THE IQ OF THE CHICK WHO WILL BE ON THE RECEIVING END of the line in question.

If you try “I could get a lapdance for that $20″ on a chick with an IQ of 130+ with an IVY or near-IVY edumakashun, who doesn’t otherwise know you, and has no other information by which to judge you, then she will recoil from you in disgust.

Whereas, “no high maintenance” is much more of what you want to be hitting the super smart chicks with.

That and dropping some not so subtle hints about how they WILL be expected to cook dinner for you.


  • Scray
    on January 30, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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    I’m telling you IQ is less important than you believe it is. Women generally just appreciate being flirted with — you’re making the mistake of thinking they’re listening to the content of your words. They’re more listening to your tone and watching how you carry yourself for cues on how to react.


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 9:06 am
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      @Zombie

      God. Just stop posting. Please. Just stop.

      “Either badly over-estimating a chick’s IQ, and lobbing a Monty-Python-esque rib-splitter way over her head.

      Or else badly under-estimating a chick’s IQ, and saying something really crass and déclassé in what should you should have realized to be a much more formal setting.”

      You’re reacting to her. Whoever reacts more to the other person has lower value. Your entire jockey theory complete with terribly awkward imaginary approaches is based around “how can I impress her??” instead of “does she qualify to be with me?”

      Just no. Please. Stop posting. I’m only like 4 posts into your comments in this thread and I can see there’s more and I’ll end up reading them to watch the train wreck but please stop and go outside.


  • tteclod
    on January 30, 2014 at 2:15 pm
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    YaReally clearly explains that the specific lines relate to the item being sold, which is the PUA, not the target of his sales pitch. Not that adjustment according to target isn’t appropriate, but the PUA is a single product, so the sales technique needn’t be fine-tuned for every conceivable woman – only the women he’s pursuing. I think that gets lost here occasionally.

    To extend his analogy: I am what I drive – a Dodge Ram. Selling myself as a Prius will fail the first time I belch. From that viewpoint, I’d need to disqualify and tease according to my no-go rules. Perhaps some tease about how vegan girls won’t grill steak. If she’s interested, she’ll explain to me how she’s a BBQ expert. If she’s really interested, she’ll prove it. I still use this occasionally in marriage, but one must tread carefully or eat out of a can.

    BTW: This stuff is golden in business. You want your clients to qualify themselves to you. “Yes, we’ve been in business for years. Yes, our clients are capitalized with plenty of income. Yes, we pay consultants promptly, but please would you change the payment schedule to 45 days instead of 30 days?” It also helps to encourage your clients to shop your fees after you’ve established you’re more competent than the competition. After some piss-poor projects, they’ll come back hat in hand.


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 9:15 am
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      “You do NOT sell a 12-cylinder BMW Super Sedan to someone in the market for a Ford F-150 pickup truck.
      Nor do you cell a 500-HP limited edition Camaro to someone in the market for a VW Beetle Convertible.”

      The art in being a pickup artist is in convincing the person looking for a pickup truck that they want the BMW, and in convincing the person looking for a Beetle that they want the Camaro, not in changing the product being sold.


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 9:23 am
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      “YaReally is gaming HB8/HB9/HB10 strippers in Atlantic City and “working girls” in hotel casinos in Las Vegas.”

      ahhh, finally, the “game only works on drunk bar sluts” argument. Classic. How long have you been reading CH? Lol

      I banged an accountant with a boyfriend last night (I’m reading your gay posts on the bus on my way home lol) and I’ve had lawyers, pharmacists, teachers, etc in the past. I get girls talking about sex and fetishes at high-end daytime gatherings just like the bar star chicks in a club. Intelligent women get wet just like every other woman…try being sexually interesting instead of talking about boring shit like Ulysses lol


  • YaReally
    on January 31, 2014 at 8:08 am
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    “If you try “I could get a lapdance for that $20″ on a chick with an IQ of 130+ with an IVY or near-IVY edumakashun, who doesn’t otherwise know you, and has no other information by which to judge you, then she will recoil from you in disgust.”

    Keyboard jockeying nonsense. Leave your basement and start approaching girls instead of wasting people’s time with this theoretical shit. If anything a higher IQ chick enjoys it more because it stands out from the gay intellectual shit guys in her peer group drop on her.

    Fucking jockeys.


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 10:12 am
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      “It’s a little brat who loses the party’s attention for a moment and has to cry out “poopie head!” so that the focus comes back to him”

      And what do you think your post is?


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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      “and so you insist on devolving the conversation down to goers-out-more vs. goers-out-less, with everyone who disagrees with you automatically qualifying for the latter classification.”

      This only bugs you because as we all know, you don’t go out and approach girls and you hate the idea that your opinion should instantly be treated with skepticism if not out-right discounted based on that, because you have no intention of ever going out and think your armchair theorizing should allow you to sit at the adult’s table.

      You’re out of your paygrade, sorry. That’s not a judgement on you as a person. If you started going out and posting your analyses 1) it would align with what the guys who go out say because we come to similar conclusions from field experience, and 2) I would support your posts like I support anyone else’s.

      I’m shitting on Zombie Shane because his retarded examples are directly contradicting how shit works in the real world and that’s confusing to newbies who don’t yet know better.

      “But this is old news.”

      So quit rehashing it. Pretty sure no one but Greg gives a shit about your opinion on me.



Erudite Knight
on January 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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Setting frame is huge, you want to be known as the guy that says things others think ‘I can’t believe he just said that, I could never say that’.

It’s a lot more free.


  • YaReally
    on January 31, 2014 at 9:36 am
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    Yep.

    There’s a vid by Tyler talking about how people loved the Gangnam guy because his no fucks given attitude allows everyone to cut loose and act silly but I’m too tired to dig out the link. You can also see this in that YouTube clip where the solo dancing guy at a music festival instigates an entire crowd of dancers just by being the most “free” person there.

    This is actually a big part of my style of game and it’s why I can get high-IQ chicks and both men/women love me in high-end environments: I’m willing to risk being “that guy” by making the first inappropriate comment. Generally a few people won’t be having it but there’s always at least one person who lol’s, and I riff with them and because we’re having more fun then other people join in and cut loose and eventually even the people who acted turned off by my behavior at first feel the social pressure to come around and quit being stuffy and let loose…next thing you know I have a group of high-class people talking about sex and throwing back drinks like they’re teenagers again.

    But it’s because I instigate it and go first and I’m congruent and calibrate as I go. Without me they’d be talking about Ulysses all night trying to out-impress eachother, concerned more about whether everyone approves of them than whether they’re having fun.



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Scray
on January 30, 2014 at 1:58 pm
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Yes.

Congruency is King. Aka expressing interest like a non-sperglord.

[CH: On a related theme, there is a time and place for contrast game. Post on this coming soon.]


  • Scray
    on January 30, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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    I’m pretty sure that the greatest, best contrast game to master is ‘snake in the grass’ beta imitation game. Promise commitment, flowers, etc. up until the bang. Then proceed to go full asshole. I would think that this would maximize a man’s short-term mate quality.

    //
    will get back to ya’ll, still trying it out…


    • Tilikum
      on January 30, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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      what you described is fucking social suicide! Don’t pull that shit within two cities of where you live. girls are fucking stupid and will punish you for reminding them of it..

      Beta game is when you have the value built and in the bank.

      Dude, seriously…you doin ok?


      • Scray
        on January 30, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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        how is it social suicide? if it gets back around to me — and I fucking hope it’s a girl who asks — “oh yeah, I really wanted to give her everything….but she just wasn’t ready.” My word against hers. And since a) girls LOVE fucking over their friends and b) girls are also jealous of their friends and likely to believe the worst….and c) because the girl is better looking than me, so the scenario likely has played out this way before…the chances of me coming out smelling like a rose seem pretty high. Not to mention having a shot at the friend, now.

        ……….

        this may be the most devious, yet brilliant scheme. just stay tuned.
        If it works, I probably won’t do it again. but holy shit man……the powwweeeeeerz


        • YaReally
          on January 31, 2014 at 9:43 am
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          @Scray

          Leave them better than you found them. Fuckin guy.

          Use martial arts to protect your loved ones, not be the playground bully taking people’s lunch money.

          It makes me sad that you would be excited to do this. Yes, it will absolutely work. No shit it’ll work. But it says something about how far into scarcity you are right now when that’s what you have to resort to. This is some low-value shit right here.


          • YaReally
            on January 31, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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            @Scray
            “At the same time, I just feel like I’m doing what’s necessary to secure the kind of attraction/value she needs to have/feel I have for it to work.”

            This is reacting to her and falling into her frame. It might work, but you’re basically changing up your gameplan because you don’t feel you deserve her so you’re starting off on a bad foot. You basically have minor one-itis.

            I described to a friend recently that you should ultimately be able to turn down a 10 because she’s 90% perfect but that last 10% doesn’t meet your requirements and you’re able to walk away from her.

            “or hey, maybe I couldn’t make her accept with my current skillset”

            This. When you encounter these situations, if you choose the “change my shit up to try to be what I think she wants me to be” route, you build a weaker frame. If you choose the “stand my ground, try setting my frame, possibly lose her, then re-evaluate how exactly my frame failed and how I could have re-enforced it better, then go out and find another girl just as hot and try it again, and maybe lose her again, then re-evaluate again and tighten up my frame again, and try it again…” route, you build the strong frame that, down the road, will let you have girls like this on whatever terms you want.

            Like how do you think I got my frame? It was from being willing to lose a shit-ton of hot girls just to develop it. Now I’m reaping the rewards because when I step up to the same hottie as you, you’re trying to figure out how to let her join your party and I’m offering her a chance to be a part of mine.

            “I mean, do you think this just means there’s no way I can leave her better than I found her?”

            You have to consider that her not being with a guy who promises her a bunch of commitment shit he has no intention of keeping might BE leaving her better than you found her. You might not deserve her right now. It’s like a newbie buying a hooker to get sex…ya, it works, and he’s “successful”, but was that really “right action” in the longrun or was it chasing instant gratification/validation out of fear/scarcity?

            The game is hard, it’s a mental battle with yourself. I’m not saying you can’t get this girl or that you shouldn’t, but you should think pretty deep on this because this won’t be the last hot girl you meet. You’re young and learning game, you have 10-20 years of your prime with girls ahead of you. It’s okay to lose a few here and there for the sake of developing your own internals.


          • YaReally
            on January 31, 2014 at 3:51 pm
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            @Hunter

            Yup. Short-term pain for long-term rewards.

            I didn’t start out saying shit like “Hey, you look fuckable and all these other girls have high standards so I figured I’d come say hi.” lol

            I started out like everyone else did, like you and Scray did, as the unthreatening asexual dude who could maybe get the girls’ attention with a “Who do you think lies more?” opener and hold a set and get some numbers here and there and occasionally it would work out into a lay.

            I was worried about offending people, about being blown out, about losing girls, especially about losing super HOT girls…and I did the same shit you guys will do, like change up my gameplan thinking “well this girl is hotter than the others, so now I’m going to act differently and be incongruent to who I am and what I want, because you guys don’t understand, this isn’t one of those low-class girls, this one is DIFFERENT, I have to fit into her world or she might reject me.” And I got burned on that enough times that I hit the point where as Bill Burr says “you go from “I shouldn’t say that” to “eh, fuck it, say it and see what happens”.”

            From there I did the usual pendulum swing, where I went way too far into the uncalibrated other side of the pendulum and had to tone it back at times and learn the calibration for it. There are a ton of girls out there who had very weird interactions with me on my journey over the years lol

            I’m teaching a buddy right now how to get more sexual in his game, and when we go out he’s uncalibrated with it and he’s blowing out sets with his incongruency because he doesn’t have the timing/calibration/congruency of a lot of this sexual stuff down yet. And I’ve had to explain to him that that’s totally okay, because you’re going to remember the next time you make a sexual comment “remember, last time I went sexual too late, or went too sexual too fast, and blew the set out, so this time pay more attention to the vibe”.

            I fully expect him to get blown out a bunch over the next 6 months…but after that, he’s going to be a fucking terminator because a lot of this will be on auto-pilot and totally congruent.

            The other thing is that he’s not like me, in that he’s more of a high-class guy, so we’re being very careful not to try to make him just clone me and say the things I say because a lot of it isn’t just incongruent to him, but it’s not self-amusing and it’s just not the vibe he wants to have in-set…so we’re tailoring things to his personality, but still applying the same concepts of “screen/qualify/push” her, just in a way that fits more with his personality.

            It’s okay to fail. Going from “being able to run a set of average girls” to “being able to get an 8+ girl massively attracted with legit sexual tension in the first 5 min of the set” can take like a year or more to learn. It probably took me 2 or 3 years in total. I used to stand at the empty bus stop alone waiting for the bus to go downtown to do pickup and saying “shit, fuck, pussy, cock” out loud to myself just to get comfortable saying “bad words” lol And ya, that was weird behavior, and anyone watching would think I was strange, and I was incongruent with that vibe for the first bunch of months or year…but short-term pain for long-term rewards, now when I get in a girl’s space and I growl into her ear about the things I’m going to do to her later, she melts because it’s said with 100% sexual congruency that other guys don’t have.

            Same thing with Scray’s situ and setting the relationship frame. I make it very clear up front what I’m offering, and I don’t walk away if she doesn’t immediately take it…I just keep gaming and slowly convince her she wants to buy the BMW when she came in for a Beetle. I hear from a lot of girls “I just can’t figure you out” or “I just don’t get you” because they’re trying to fit my view on casual relationships into their socially conditioned paradigms that haven’t been challenged before and she hasn’t had to think about.

            The key is being rock solid in your frame and showing them the beauty of it. That’s why I say stuff like “alright, give me your number but don’t call me 5x a day to tell me all about how Sally at the office is such a bitch.” I’m setting the frame in everything I do that I don’t want to be her gay boyfriend, and part of that is by making her frame (wanting to buy a Beetle, wanting commitment) seem retarded (“everyone has a Beetle, don’t you want to stand out?”, “lol I hope you’re not looking for someone to sit on a couch and watch reality TV and get fat with ’cause you should try that lame guy over there, he looks reliable”) and mine seem awesome (“when you’re in a BMW, everyone sees how important you are”, “personally I think people should be free to experience new adventures, I would never want to hold a girl back from having sex with some amazing guy she met on a trip to Paris with her girlfriends just because I was so insecure that I had to demand she lock her pussy up”) so she abandons hers and enters mine.

            But again, I have those views and I can push my frame on her because of the congruency I built up from, in situations like Scray’s in, taking the harder path that built my internals and occasionally lost girls, instead of the easier path that got me short-term rewards/validation with no long-term growth.

            It’s okay to lose the girl, there are more of them out there. You’re young and can go out and talk to 50 girls every day for the rest of your life if you want, there’s nothing stopping you.


    • Rosalie
      on January 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm
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      This contradicts the whole concept of “game”, aka females attracted by the dominant, aloof man. If women are repulsed by betas, why would you need to impersonate a beta to make her surrender?

      [CH: You're missing a crucial premise: "vulnerability game" is effective after the man has already proven his alpha bona fides. Simply dating a hot girl is enough proof for most women.]

      That would mean that a quality woman would rather sleep with a beta (flowers, committment) than with an alpha, and in order to be an alpha you have to pretend to be a beta to get sex. It’s illogic.

      [Women are inherently illogical. If you ask them, they'll say they want flowers, and they might even believe it when they say it, but when they act they behave quite differently from their self-beliefs.]


      • Rosalie
        on January 30, 2014 at 3:54 pm
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        You’re missing a crucial premise: “vulnerability game” is effective after the man has already proven his alpha bona fides. Simply dating a hot girl is enough proof for most women.

        So, if you ask her out and she accepts, that means that you can lie about commitment and this is already game? This looks like simple, basic cunningness to me, not “game”.

        [CH: No, what he's saying is that lying about commitment is a devious ploy that is effective not only on the girl he's dating, but on her girlfriends whom he might be interested in dating in the future. This isn't related to any specific game tactic, but it could be grouped under a category that encompasses a whole host of "whatever works" techniques for bedding women.]

        Women are inherently illogical. If you ask them, they’ll say they want flowers, and they might even believe it when they say it, but when they act they behave quite differently from their self-beliefs.

        Yes, but the man above stated that he will give the flowers and he will make promises of commitment until sex, so he would basically play the beta role all along. This is lying to get what you want, nothing complex like playing a game.

        [Where did he say he hadn't yet had sex with the girl? I didn't get that from his comment. Anyhow, a lot of context is missing. If he's dating a girl and it's obvious she's fallen for him, "phony commitment" game can surely work. But if he's a charmless beta promising the world for a tiny piece of puss, he's not going to get far.

        If you are a woman, this kind of talk will emotionally unsettle you. But try to get outside your head and create some distance between your reflexive feelings and the subject under discussion. It's not impossible. Men do it all the time when women discuss their mercenary dating schemes.]


        • Rosalie
          on January 30, 2014 at 4:18 pm
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          No, what he’s saying is that lying about commitment is a devious ploy that is effective not only on the girl he’s dating, but on her girlfriends whom he might be interested in dating in the future. This isn’t related to any specific game tactic, but it could be grouped under a category that encompasses a whole host of “whatever works” techniques for bedding women.

          OK, now I understand. So it’s a version of what Napoleon said, “all is permitted in love and in war”.

          [CH: Lying is probably a feature, not a bug, of human nature. At least from the individual's survival program perspective. However, game is not necessarily or even tangentially about lying to women. It is first and foremost about effective salesmanship, which can be as truthful as one wants it to be. Most PUAs don't advocate lying, because there really isn't a need for it. But just because lying isn't necessary doesn't mean it isn't effective.]


          • YaReally
            on January 31, 2014 at 9:53 am
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            Agree 100% with Rosalie and Amy. No fucks given who calls me a white knight. The rule is “leave them better than you found them”, not “take what you want and leave a trail of destruction behind”.

            The rule isn’t there because of white knightery or idealism, it’s there because this is a skillset that IS very powerful and absolutely allows you to do “god-like” things. It’s for that reason that we try to teach guys to use it for good, because if you wanted to, you could use it to do some serious long-term damage to women, men, marriages, children in those marriages, etc.

            “With great power comes great responsibility.” That coked out stripper sucking cock in some shithole for her next drug fix while her kid starves didn’t just happen out of nowhere…that kind of thing comes from a long line of bad decisions, regrets, and being used/abused by dipshits overcompensating for their lack of success earlier in life by going power-mad because they still have a chip on their shoulder.


          • YaReally
            on January 31, 2014 at 2:21 pm
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            @Anonymous
            “women being the way they are gonna fall for you and develop feelings (even when you do the whole thing of telling them from the get go you dont want a relationship).”

            You combine it with other things, which are basically not treating her like a girlfriend: no dinner dates, no watching DVDs cuddled on the couch, no seeing her more than once a week but ideally no more than once every 2 weeks, don’t get to know her soul and talk about her hopes and dreams, no giving her even a remote hope in any way that you would ever qualify as boyfriend material (so you hate kids, you hate commitment and monogamy, you plan to travel around the world and won’t be around for more than a couple years etc.).

            If you learn to handle that all proper, and combine it with setting the frame from the very start, you can absolutely have sexual relationships with women where they don’t develop deep feelings for you and both go your separate ways when she finds a “real” boyfriend or you move on, ending on a healthy positive note after having improved her life with your sexxin and whatever things you teach her about life thru your actions.

            The “every girl ends up broken hearted and damaged because players just use them and sex is taking something from the girl instead of a mutually beneficial activity” is a myth, perpetuated by people who 1) hate the idea of people having casual sex, 2) aren’t getting it themselves, 3) haven’t had these kind of arrangements before, or 4) are stuck in social conditioning narratives.

            But it does take work/practice and following the rules. Most guys let their dicks/emotions lead them and end up breaking the rules and then someone gets hurt. But the goal should be to improve the girl’s life and leave her with good memories, not purposely pull the wool over her eyes and fuck her over for some quick validation.


          • YaReally
            on January 31, 2014 at 2:29 pm
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            @Scray
            “Soft Nexting is extremely hard for me to do because it seems cruel”

            No, it’s extremely hard for you to do because it involves handling things directly like a man and letting the chips fall where they may and risking losing her.

            This gay dupe-route you’re fixated on is easier for you to do because it involves scurrying around like a little bitch not admitting what you want out of a fear of rejection/loss while you scramble for bits of validation to soothe your ego.

            With a Soft Next you have to address the issue and let her know she did something wrong and have an actual confrontation. With your dupe you get to avoid experiencing any negative feelings. A Soft Next teaches her appropriate behavior and offers value. You’re offering no value, just taking it.

            This:

            “‘you know, I’d really like to get to know one another for a little while. I feel like I’m rushing you and I don’t want to pressure anyone. In the past I’ve been too needy and I’m trying to stop that, so let’s just take it slow.’”

            …is a lot better mindset than:

            ““oh yeah, I really wanted to give her everything….but she just wasn’t ready.” My word against hers. And since a) girls LOVE fucking over their friends and b) girls are also jealous of their friends and likely to believe the worst….and c) because the girl is better looking than me, so the scenario likely has played out this way before…the chances of me coming out smelling like a rose seem pretty high.”

            It’s still probably going to backfire on you because you’re changing your gameplan based on her hotness which basically says that you don’t feel entitled “as is” to get her, which is going to come through in your sub-comms etc sooner or later, but at least with the above mindset you’re not reveling in shitting on her dreams so I won’t hassle you for that one lol


      • Jay
        on February 1, 2014 at 8:23 pm
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        “The rule isn’t there because of white knightery or idealism, it’s there because this is a skillset that IS very powerful and absolutely allows you to do “god-like” things.”

        So basically when you got the key to the city don’t take the piss?

        What a great guy, he’s turned down sex cos he didn’t think this woman had properly got over her last relationship!!

        Meanwhile back on planet earth sex starved losers are hoping for whatever they can get. So when it comes to sex men are responsible for womens happiness yes? And yet you fuck women who have boyfriends, yes? Married women? No problems? Cant be arsed but would love to study all your posts and find this wonderful sexual morality where banging lots of women has no impact on the sexual market place. How does that one pan out? If you thought abstaining from shagging about would make the world a better place would you do it lol, I’m guessing no fucking chance.

        Given that female/male exists as a biological fact, and given it appears that has evolved due to the selection advantage of sex split sieving out weaker genes by cutting the losers out of the mating game, winner takes all etc then how do you see this moral sexual world where adultery doesn’t exist, anyone can shag anyone, game on? The world will suck up the correlative behaviour of the sexual loser male whether it likes it or not.

        Id argue religion arises as an unconscious solution to the sexual market place, it allows for less “sex war” (cant think of better words). Open the door to liberal sexual marketplace and be prepared for consequences. General result, more dominant males and females bash mediocre and lesser males into the ground. Hence sex laws, which are not designed for big winners like you but sex losers like me, weed out the chaff bro yeah!! Its like Lord Obama himself is setting up shit tests himself to keep all that pesky loser sperm at bay. Don’t worry ladies we’ll screen out those evolutionary dead ends before they get anywhere near you. Fill your boots with YaReally though he’s got game bro.

        Your white knighting in the classical alpha sense that Jabba has on his website. See romantic pictures of huge film stars with gorgeous women cuddled into their chest, loving women is the highest of high points for a human male sex winner, no surprise that its loser cunts who show the worst sexual jealousy. Absolutely no chance that jealousy evolves from that long evolutionary fight lol. And even less chance that psycho killers are all evo dead ends hahahaha!!! Goto comment on any “sexcrime”, “whatta a loser” hahahaha. Well shag him ffs and make it look real, cos if its loserness that drives his cuntishness as implied by the snap “loser” comment you’ll save the elephants or summat lefty!!! Share the love innit?

        There aint no lefty solution to sexual competition, hence the necessary explosion of internet porn, loser males projecting their identities onto perceived sexual winners for limbic mindfucks!! See video games, internet, film etc etc. Why do women cover up in Islam? Reduce sex competition full fuckin stop. Narcissus refckinvisted. Lefty liberal big govt world needs projection, it needs to give the losers the lie that they are winning. The red pill thing just means seeing life as, the horribly competitive world it is. Its the feeling of your heart dropping through your guts when your Mrs fucks a guy who’s way above you and you can’t give her that. Game means BECOMING the guy who does the fucking not the guy who does the heart through guts thing. We can’t all be that, evolution fuckin decided lol. Winners and losers on a spectrum? How do you pacify the losers Mr Really? Lock em up? Pat them on the head, mass GAME clinics for losers males? I’m guessing signing up means you fail the shit test anyway hahahahaha!!

        I’m one of the losers who’d have guessed it! But do I have a point amongst my pissed ramblings? In a lefty sexual world everybodys limbic sexual drive would be satisfied, that aint coming anytime soon.

        GAME MEANS COMPETITION. And its a game more like musical chairs, who the fuck wants to be the one sent to the sideline lol. 99% of loony males are sexual losers, how did that happen lol!!!! Bottom line, RESPECT for women is correlated with SUCCESS with women, its fuckin obvious. And respect NEVER means supplicating. Women fuck winners or perceived winners, anything less and they get “creeped out”.

        Ahhhh…. that feels better! Theres a lot to be said for the internet.


        • YaReally
          on February 3, 2014 at 1:10 am
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          lol I have no idea wtf you’re talking about. That was awesome.

          “How do you pacify the losers Mr Really? mass GAME clinics for losers males?”

          Yes. That’s why I’m here.

          “I’m one of the losers who’d have guessed it!”

          No, you’re just trapped in a victim mentality. You’re free to leave it anytime you like.



The Universality Of Game Concepts

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Scray
on January 30, 2014 at 1:58 pm
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Yes.

Congruency is King. Aka expressing interest like a non-sperglord.

[CH: On a related theme, there is a time and place for contrast game. Post on this coming soon.]


  • Scray
    on January 30, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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    I’m pretty sure that the greatest, best contrast game to master is ‘snake in the grass’ beta imitation game. Promise commitment, flowers, etc. up until the bang. Then proceed to go full asshole. I would think that this would maximize a man’s short-term mate quality.

    //
    will get back to ya’ll, still trying it out…


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 9:43 am
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      @Scray

      Leave them better than you found them. Fuckin guy.

      Use martial arts to protect your loved ones, not be the playground bully taking people’s lunch money.

      It makes me sad that you would be excited to do this. Yes, it will absolutely work. No shit it’ll work. But it says something about how far into scarcity you are right now when that’s what you have to resort to. This is some low-value shit right here.


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 9:53 am
      Original Link

      Agree 100% with Rosalie and Amy. No fucks given who calls me a white knight. The rule is “leave them better than you found them”, not “take what you want and leave a trail of destruction behind”.

      The rule isn’t there because of white knightery or idealism, it’s there because this is a skillset that IS very powerful and absolutely allows you to do “god-like” things. It’s for that reason that we try to teach guys to use it for good, because if you wanted to, you could use it to do some serious long-term damage to women, men, marriages, children in those marriages, etc.

      “With great power comes great responsibility.” That coked out stripper sucking cock in some shithole for her next drug fix while her kid starves didn’t just happen out of nowhere…that kind of thing comes from a long line of bad decisions, regrets, and being used/abused by dipshits overcompensating for their lack of success earlier in life by going power-mad because they still have a chip on their shoulder.


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 2:21 pm
      Original Link

      @Anonymous
      “women being the way they are gonna fall for you and develop feelings (even when you do the whole thing of telling them from the get go you dont want a relationship).”

      You combine it with other things, which are basically not treating her like a girlfriend: no dinner dates, no watching DVDs cuddled on the couch, no seeing her more than once a week but ideally no more than once every 2 weeks, don’t get to know her soul and talk about her hopes and dreams, no giving her even a remote hope in any way that you would ever qualify as boyfriend material (so you hate kids, you hate commitment and monogamy, you plan to travel around the world and won’t be around for more than a couple years etc.).

      If you learn to handle that all proper, and combine it with setting the frame from the very start, you can absolutely have sexual relationships with women where they don’t develop deep feelings for you and both go your separate ways when she finds a “real” boyfriend or you move on, ending on a healthy positive note after having improved her life with your sexxin and whatever things you teach her about life thru your actions.

      The “every girl ends up broken hearted and damaged because players just use them and sex is taking something from the girl instead of a mutually beneficial activity” is a myth, perpetuated by people who 1) hate the idea of people having casual sex, 2) aren’t getting it themselves, 3) haven’t had these kind of arrangements before, or 4) are stuck in social conditioning narratives.

      But it does take work/practice and following the rules. Most guys let their dicks/emotions lead them and end up breaking the rules and then someone gets hurt. But the goal should be to improve the girl’s life and leave her with good memories, not purposely pull the wool over her eyes and fuck her over for some quick validation.


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 2:29 pm
      Original Link

      @Scray
      “Soft Nexting is extremely hard for me to do because it seems cruel”

      No, it’s extremely hard for you to do because it involves handling things directly like a man and letting the chips fall where they may and risking losing her.

      This gay dupe-route you’re fixated on is easier for you to do because it involves scurrying around like a little bitch not admitting what you want out of a fear of rejection/loss while you scramble for bits of validation to soothe your ego.

      With a Soft Next you have to address the issue and let her know she did something wrong and have an actual confrontation. With your dupe you get to avoid experiencing any negative feelings. A Soft Next teaches her appropriate behavior and offers value. You’re offering no value, just taking it.

      This:

      “‘you know, I’d really like to get to know one another for a little while. I feel like I’m rushing you and I don’t want to pressure anyone. In the past I’ve been too needy and I’m trying to stop that, so let’s just take it slow.’”

      …is a lot better mindset than:

      ““oh yeah, I really wanted to give her everything….but she just wasn’t ready.” My word against hers. And since a) girls LOVE fucking over their friends and b) girls are also jealous of their friends and likely to believe the worst….and c) because the girl is better looking than me, so the scenario likely has played out this way before…the chances of me coming out smelling like a rose seem pretty high.”

      It’s still probably going to backfire on you because you’re changing your gameplan based on her hotness which basically says that you don’t feel entitled “as is” to get her, which is going to come through in your sub-comms etc sooner or later, but at least with the above mindset you’re not reveling in shitting on her dreams so I won’t hassle you for that one lol


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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      @Scray
      “At the same time, I just feel like I’m doing what’s necessary to secure the kind of attraction/value she needs to have/feel I have for it to work.”

      This is reacting to her and falling into her frame. It might work, but you’re basically changing up your gameplan because you don’t feel you deserve her so you’re starting off on a bad foot. You basically have minor one-itis.

      I described to a friend recently that you should ultimately be able to turn down a 10 because she’s 90% perfect but that last 10% doesn’t meet your requirements and you’re able to walk away from her.

      “or hey, maybe I couldn’t make her accept with my current skillset”

      This. When you encounter these situations, if you choose the “change my shit up to try to be what I think she wants me to be” route, you build a weaker frame. If you choose the “stand my ground, try setting my frame, possibly lose her, then re-evaluate how exactly my frame failed and how I could have re-enforced it better, then go out and find another girl just as hot and try it again, and maybe lose her again, then re-evaluate again and tighten up my frame again, and try it again…” route, you build the strong frame that, down the road, will let you have girls like this on whatever terms you want.

      Like how do you think I got my frame? It was from being willing to lose a shit-ton of hot girls just to develop it. Now I’m reaping the rewards because when I step up to the same hottie as you, you’re trying to figure out how to let her join your party and I’m offering her a chance to be a part of mine.

      “I mean, do you think this just means there’s no way I can leave her better than I found her?”

      You have to consider that her not being with a guy who promises her a bunch of commitment shit he has no intention of keeping might BE leaving her better than you found her. You might not deserve her right now. It’s like a newbie buying a hooker to get sex…ya, it works, and he’s “successful”, but was that really “right action” in the longrun or was it chasing instant gratification/validation out of fear/scarcity?

      The game is hard, it’s a mental battle with yourself. I’m not saying you can’t get this girl or that you shouldn’t, but you should think pretty deep on this because this won’t be the last hot girl you meet. You’re young and learning game, you have 10-20 years of your prime with girls ahead of you. It’s okay to lose a few here and there for the sake of developing your own internals.


    • YaReally
      on January 31, 2014 at 3:51 pm
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      @Hunter

      Yup. Short-term pain for long-term rewards.

      I didn’t start out saying shit like “Hey, you look fuckable and all these other girls have high standards so I figured I’d come say hi.” lol

      I started out like everyone else did, like you and Scray did, as the unthreatening asexual dude who could maybe get the girls’ attention with a “Who do you think lies more?” opener and hold a set and get some numbers here and there and occasionally it would work out into a lay.

      I was worried about offending people, about being blown out, about losing girls, especially about losing super HOT girls…and I did the same shit you guys will do, like change up my gameplan thinking “well this girl is hotter than the others, so now I’m going to act differently and be incongruent to who I am and what I want, because you guys don’t understand, this isn’t one of those low-class girls, this one is DIFFERENT, I have to fit into her world or she might reject me.” And I got burned on that enough times that I hit the point where as Bill Burr says “you go from “I shouldn’t say that” to “eh, fuck it, say it and see what happens”.”

      From there I did the usual pendulum swing, where I went way too far into the uncalibrated other side of the pendulum and had to tone it back at times and learn the calibration for it. There are a ton of girls out there who had very weird interactions with me on my journey over the years lol

      I’m teaching a buddy right now how to get more sexual in his game, and when we go out he’s uncalibrated with it and he’s blowing out sets with his incongruency because he doesn’t have the timing/calibration/congruency of a lot of this sexual stuff down yet. And I’ve had to explain to him that that’s totally okay, because you’re going to remember the next time you make a sexual comment “remember, last time I went sexual too late, or went too sexual too fast, and blew the set out, so this time pay more attention to the vibe”.

      I fully expect him to get blown out a bunch over the next 6 months…but after that, he’s going to be a fucking terminator because a lot of this will be on auto-pilot and totally congruent.

      The other thing is that he’s not like me, in that he’s more of a high-class guy, so we’re being very careful not to try to make him just clone me and say the things I say because a lot of it isn’t just incongruent to him, but it’s not self-amusing and it’s just not the vibe he wants to have in-set…so we’re tailoring things to his personality, but still applying the same concepts of “screen/qualify/push” her, just in a way that fits more with his personality.

      It’s okay to fail. Going from “being able to run a set of average girls” to “being able to get an 8+ girl massively attracted with legit sexual tension in the first 5 min of the set” can take like a year or more to learn. It probably took me 2 or 3 years in total. I used to stand at the empty bus stop alone waiting for the bus to go downtown to do pickup and saying “shit, fuck, pussy, cock” out loud to myself just to get comfortable saying “bad words” lol And ya, that was weird behavior, and anyone watching would think I was strange, and I was incongruent with that vibe for the first bunch of months or year…but short-term pain for long-term rewards, now when I get in a girl’s space and I growl into her ear about the things I’m going to do to her later, she melts because it’s said with 100% sexual congruency that other guys don’t have.

      Same thing with Scray’s situ and setting the relationship frame. I make it very clear up front what I’m offering, and I don’t walk away if she doesn’t immediately take it…I just keep gaming and slowly convince her she wants to buy the BMW when she came in for a Beetle. I hear from a lot of girls “I just can’t figure you out” or “I just don’t get you” because they’re trying to fit my view on casual relationships into their socially conditioned paradigms that haven’t been challenged before and she hasn’t had to think about.

      The key is being rock solid in your frame and showing them the beauty of it. That’s why I say stuff like “alright, give me your number but don’t call me 5x a day to tell me all about how Sally at the office is such a bitch.” I’m setting the frame in everything I do that I don’t want to be her gay boyfriend, and part of that is by making her frame (wanting to buy a Beetle, wanting commitment) seem retarded (“everyone has a Beetle, don’t you want to stand out?”, “lol I hope you’re not looking for someone to sit on a couch and watch reality TV and get fat with ’cause you should try that lame guy over there, he looks reliable”) and mine seem awesome (“when you’re in a BMW, everyone sees how important you are”, “personally I think people should be free to experience new adventures, I would never want to hold a girl back from having sex with some amazing guy she met on a trip to Paris with her girlfriends just because I was so insecure that I had to demand she lock her pussy up”) so she abandons hers and enters mine.

      But again, I have those views and I can push my frame on her because of the congruency I built up from, in situations like Scray’s in, taking the harder path that built my internals and occasionally lost girls, instead of the easier path that got me short-term rewards/validation with no long-term growth.

      It’s okay to lose the girl, there are more of them out there. You’re young and can go out and talk to 50 girls every day for the rest of your life if you want, there’s nothing stopping you.


    • YaReally
      on February 3, 2014 at 1:10 am
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      lol I have no idea wtf you’re talking about. That was awesome.

      “How do you pacify the losers Mr Really? mass GAME clinics for losers males?”

      Yes. That’s why I’m here.

      “I’m one of the losers who’d have guessed it!”

      No, you’re just trapped in a victim mentality. You’re free to leave it anytime you like.



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Master Beta
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It seems to be the biggest misunderstanding that people have about game: The words you say matter very little. It’s all body language, facial expressions, and tone of voice. A true master of game would be able to seduce a woman without saying anything.


  • YaReally
    on January 31, 2014 at 10:08 am
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    “It’s all body language, facial expressions, and tone of voice. A true master of game would be able to seduce a woman without saying anything.”

    Yep. Experimenting with this now actually, but it’s too early for me to break it all down yet. It’s fascinating in action though and I plan to write about it down the road when I have it distilled into something consistently teachable/explainable that guys can apply.



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Master Beta
on January 31, 2014 at 3:58 am
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It seems to be the biggest misunderstanding that people have about game: The words you say matter very little. It’s all body language, facial expressions, and tone of voice. A true master of game would be able to seduce a woman without saying anything.


  • YaReally
    on January 31, 2014 at 10:08 am
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    “It’s all body language, facial expressions, and tone of voice. A true master of game would be able to seduce a woman without saying anything.”

    Yep. Experimenting with this now actually, but it’s too early for me to break it all down yet. It’s fascinating in action though and I plan to write about it down the road when I have it distilled into something consistently teachable/explainable that guys can apply.



“The Wreck Of The Beta Male Cuckold”, Performed

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Grim
on January 28, 2014 at 3:34 pm
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OT/field report/need advice please: I think I successfully did a little YaReally/Walwala action.

So the HB8 about whom I posted a few times, who LJBF’ed me/tried to use me exactly as in the recent post by CH, all 5 factors, but re: who at least I was “alpha” enough to recognize it and cut her off after a month…..I had not called her texted her since about Jan. 5 or so. She said she wanted to be friends, but I successfully put her out of my mind and did not contact her the last 4 weeks.

Well, last night at 11 PM she called me. I was on the phone talking to a girl friend (2 words) of mine from college, who is cool but too thick for me, plus she’s way across on the other side of the country. So I did not take the call from HB8 of course. Then I went to bed.

This morning HB8 calls again and sent flurry of texts. Please evaluate my reaction (all typos are in the original):

Her (10:56 AM): Hey, how are you? I went to your building yesyerday! And I wanted to say hello. I called you, but you didnt answer :(

Her: (10:57 AM): Call me when you get a chance.

Me (11:20 AM): were u wearing a skirt?

Her (11:22 AM): A black dress… Are u busy? Why you did not answer?

Her (11:24 AM): Call me!

___________________________________________________

Now I know I was this girl’s no. 2 choice and now she is calling me of course after tiring of the other guy for whatever reason.

What do I do now? Should I have not even responded at all for days? It’s unbelievable that she (pretends to think–shit test) that I should be sitting by the phone ready to answer her call at 11 PM one day after not hearing from her in 20 days.

On the flip side, she apparently was at the guard gate of my apartment last night at 11 PM in a little black dress and heels wanting to come inside. ; )

So now what is my move?


  • YaReally
    on January 29, 2014 at 7:58 am
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    “sorry not hot enough” followed by 1 week of total radio silence no matter what she txts or calls saying. Then just send “lol” in the middle of the day even if it doesn’t make sense as a response to her, followed by another week of total radio silence. And if she leaves multiple voicemails or calls multiple times in a night, the next afternoon txt just “stalker lol” then resume radio silence.

    After like 2-3 weeks of this, when she’s txting you in the evening just txt “ok come over. Dress sexy.” Like I wouldn’t even waste effort/time/money on a date or meeting up for drinks…she’s already come by your place so she’s comfortable with that, there’s no reason to go blow $20 on drinks, you could get a lapdance for that lol If she does anything except come over, radio silence…so if she txts like “I can’t tonight!”, radio silence, if she txts “what are we gonna do?” radio silence. Give her a week of radio silence and then allow her the chance to come over again, rinse repeat until she’s there.

    This aloof shit is fine in your situ because you have high value to her right now and she’s chasing your validation. If this was some girl who you had just met and who wasn’t into you yet, it wouldn’t work. But this one should end up chasing HARD.

    This also plays off Mystery’s cat string theory (google it or check my archive) in that if you were pure radio silence she’d give up, but an ambiguous “lol” that sounds like you might be laughing at her (negative) or that she said something that made you laugh (positive) or that something interesting just happened to you and you wanted to share it (positive) etc keeps her hamster spinning. The string is dangling just barely out of reach.

    You COULD attempt to work it faster, it’s totally do-able but:

    1) there’s a good chance she’s full of shit and wanted to bang that night but is now just trying to get your validation because she was snubbed so when you say “ok let’s meet up” (aka you chasing her), she flakes because all she wanted was for you to chase. See walawala’s ex begging him to meet up then flaking as soon as he agrees to, as an example of this.

    2) she may just bone you one time then go back to the other dude as soon as he allows her to come back into his life.

    3) she doesn’t get much of an emotional rollercoaster (it’s just “I want it, so I got it just like always”) and you jumping at her first offer of reuniting is kind of low-value because it says you don’t have much going on and were essentially sitting around by the phone waiting for her to let you have a chance…making her work for it will make her appreciate it.

    4) what I’m recommending should make her obsess over you to the point where if her last guy tried to get back with her she would turn him down because you’re the shiny new puzzle she needs to solve.

    5) and lastly, my way will teach you about how far you can push a girl when she’s chasing you. I would actually recommend TRYING to get rid of her, like txting stuff like “don’t txt me anymore” and “go away I hate you” followed by a week of radio silence then a 2am “hey” followed by radio silence etc. you’d be surprised how hard you can push away a girl who’s chasing you and have it just make her chase you harder lol

    Again this only works because right now, since you snubbed her, she’s chasing you and sees you as high value and needs your validation. There are a lot of cases where this wouldn’t work.


    • Jay in DC
      on January 29, 2014 at 11:50 am
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      Solid, as usual. +1


      • English Dude
        on January 29, 2014 at 1:17 pm
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        “there’s no reason to go blow $20 on drinks, you could get a lapdance for that lol”.

        I love your philosophy haha. Think that’d work if actually said to a lass?


        • YaReally
          on January 29, 2014 at 2:37 pm
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          “Think that’d work if actually said to a lass?”

          For ME, because it’s congruent to me. I set the frame early on of being the type of guy who would think in those terms. Bob the harmless nice guy from Accouting saying it would get blown out. Russell Brand or Tommy Lee wouldn’t.

          This is why I don’t give a lot of word for word examples of my game and just explain the concepts/structure behind them instead. Not a lot of guys, esp who are just starting out learning, would be able to congruently say the things I say. But at the same time, the words themselves are irrelevant…the concepts/structure are what cause attraction.

          My push/tease/disqualifier might be “sorry I don’t fuck ugly chicks. But come back when I’m done this beer and you’re blurry.” Whereas Bob from Accounting might push/tease/disqualify with “sorry you’re not my type, I don’t like high-maintenance women.”

          Both versions would cause the girl to go “omg!!” and qualify themselves, because it’s the concepts/structure that’s key.



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Grim
on January 28, 2014 at 3:34 pm
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OT/field report/need advice please: I think I successfully did a little YaReally/Walwala action.

So the HB8 about whom I posted a few times, who LJBF’ed me/tried to use me exactly as in the recent post by CH, all 5 factors, but re: who at least I was “alpha” enough to recognize it and cut her off after a month…..I had not called her texted her since about Jan. 5 or so. She said she wanted to be friends, but I successfully put her out of my mind and did not contact her the last 4 weeks.

Well, last night at 11 PM she called me. I was on the phone talking to a girl friend (2 words) of mine from college, who is cool but too thick for me, plus she’s way across on the other side of the country. So I did not take the call from HB8 of course. Then I went to bed.

This morning HB8 calls again and sent flurry of texts. Please evaluate my reaction (all typos are in the original):

Her (10:56 AM): Hey, how are you? I went to your building yesyerday! And I wanted to say hello. I called you, but you didnt answer :(

Her: (10:57 AM): Call me when you get a chance.

Me (11:20 AM): were u wearing a skirt?

Her (11:22 AM): A black dress… Are u busy? Why you did not answer?

Her (11:24 AM): Call me!

___________________________________________________

Now I know I was this girl’s no. 2 choice and now she is calling me of course after tiring of the other guy for whatever reason.

What do I do now? Should I have not even responded at all for days? It’s unbelievable that she (pretends to think–shit test) that I should be sitting by the phone ready to answer her call at 11 PM one day after not hearing from her in 20 days.

On the flip side, she apparently was at the guard gate of my apartment last night at 11 PM in a little black dress and heels wanting to come inside. ; )

So now what is my move?


  • YaReally
    on January 29, 2014 at 7:58 am
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    “sorry not hot enough” followed by 1 week of total radio silence no matter what she txts or calls saying. Then just send “lol” in the middle of the day even if it doesn’t make sense as a response to her, followed by another week of total radio silence. And if she leaves multiple voicemails or calls multiple times in a night, the next afternoon txt just “stalker lol” then resume radio silence.

    After like 2-3 weeks of this, when she’s txting you in the evening just txt “ok come over. Dress sexy.” Like I wouldn’t even waste effort/time/money on a date or meeting up for drinks…she’s already come by your place so she’s comfortable with that, there’s no reason to go blow $20 on drinks, you could get a lapdance for that lol If she does anything except come over, radio silence…so if she txts like “I can’t tonight!”, radio silence, if she txts “what are we gonna do?” radio silence. Give her a week of radio silence and then allow her the chance to come over again, rinse repeat until she’s there.

    This aloof shit is fine in your situ because you have high value to her right now and she’s chasing your validation. If this was some girl who you had just met and who wasn’t into you yet, it wouldn’t work. But this one should end up chasing HARD.

    This also plays off Mystery’s cat string theory (google it or check my archive) in that if you were pure radio silence she’d give up, but an ambiguous “lol” that sounds like you might be laughing at her (negative) or that she said something that made you laugh (positive) or that something interesting just happened to you and you wanted to share it (positive) etc keeps her hamster spinning. The string is dangling just barely out of reach.

    You COULD attempt to work it faster, it’s totally do-able but:

    1) there’s a good chance she’s full of shit and wanted to bang that night but is now just trying to get your validation because she was snubbed so when you say “ok let’s meet up” (aka you chasing her), she flakes because all she wanted was for you to chase. See walawala’s ex begging him to meet up then flaking as soon as he agrees to, as an example of this.

    2) she may just bone you one time then go back to the other dude as soon as he allows her to come back into his life.

    3) she doesn’t get much of an emotional rollercoaster (it’s just “I want it, so I got it just like always”) and you jumping at her first offer of reuniting is kind of low-value because it says you don’t have much going on and were essentially sitting around by the phone waiting for her to let you have a chance…making her work for it will make her appreciate it.

    4) what I’m recommending should make her obsess over you to the point where if her last guy tried to get back with her she would turn him down because you’re the shiny new puzzle she needs to solve.

    5) and lastly, my way will teach you about how far you can push a girl when she’s chasing you. I would actually recommend TRYING to get rid of her, like txting stuff like “don’t txt me anymore” and “go away I hate you” followed by a week of radio silence then a 2am “hey” followed by radio silence etc. you’d be surprised how hard you can push away a girl who’s chasing you and have it just make her chase you harder lol

    Again this only works because right now, since you snubbed her, she’s chasing you and sees you as high value and needs your validation. There are a lot of cases where this wouldn’t work.


    • YaReally
      on January 29, 2014 at 2:37 pm
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      “Think that’d work if actually said to a lass?”

      For ME, because it’s congruent to me. I set the frame early on of being the type of guy who would think in those terms. Bob the harmless nice guy from Accouting saying it would get blown out. Russell Brand or Tommy Lee wouldn’t.

      This is why I don’t give a lot of word for word examples of my game and just explain the concepts/structure behind them instead. Not a lot of guys, esp who are just starting out learning, would be able to congruently say the things I say. But at the same time, the words themselves are irrelevant…the concepts/structure are what cause attraction.

      My push/tease/disqualifier might be “sorry I don’t fuck ugly chicks. But come back when I’m done this beer and you’re blurry.” Whereas Bob from Accounting might push/tease/disqualify with “sorry you’re not my type, I don’t like high-maintenance women.”

      Both versions would cause the girl to go “omg!!” and qualify themselves, because it’s the concepts/structure that’s key.



“The Wreck Of The Beta Male Cuckold”, Performed

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Hunter
on January 30, 2014 at 12:03 am
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Hey YaReally,

I know you’re not around that much and props to building a new social circle (I’ve only since cultivated a social circle of PUAs since last summer lol), but in addition to learning that (I’ll check the archives), I’m curious as to how to generate attraction faster (verbally).

Things I’m working on fixing:

1. Being immediately dominant/setting the right frame: I usually say “Hey… I think we should go on a date :D” See that smiley? In real life, that means I sort of stand there and wait for a response (when yes, I should really just keep talking).

And yeah, I know that’s bad. I’ve been testing “Want my number?” as an opener recently because it makes me laugh. And there are a lot of phone places I can take it to structure the interaction like she”s the chaser.

2. I’m tired of approaching like “Hey :) What’s up? :)” setting up a lame-ass frame like, “I’m a chode, we should date cuz I’m lonely :(” (as I’m writing this out, I’m realizing that I should write my stuff more often, if not only to think about alternatives to my standard openers “Hey, how’s it going?”, “What’s up?” But those two openers always work because I instantly get physical (put my arm around them, carry them while I look them right in the eye).

I have some field reports I haven’t written, but remember pretty clearly… just need to get to writing them.

3. I’ve gotten into a few “arguments” with girls. The girl will randomly get pissed off, but since I normally react logically to blowups, I get sort of pissed back even though I know that I could turn this around… except I don’t know how. For example:

Me: Hey, ladies, I’m a huge slut. A dirty whore. Come hangout with us (with wing here, he’s stifled, it’s the end of the night outside a bar).

I grab my target around the legs and carry her. She’s calm and says “Uh, put me down.” I comply.

Me: I’m just promiscuous.

7 (the friend): Does this ever work for you?

Me: No, it never works, I’m a virgin.

7: Lol

7.5: You know what, I’m pissed that you did that. Get the fuck away.

Me: Well, sorry you’re pissed, but YOU walk away.

We give each other the death stare (or was it gina tingles???)

Me: Let’s go man.

7.5: Yeah, walk away!

So see…. I’d like to turn situations like these around.

4. Leading (solution: mission days).

Achievements

1. I can generate attraction pretty consistently already. I just maintain my frame and throw myself into the interaction with complete conviction. (Update: Went on my first instadate today, wohoo! She bought the coffee :) Not sure if it’ll go anywhere. Just broke up with her bf and we (she) basically talked about him the whole time. Got her number after… didn’t shit on the bf tho.)

2. I’m a lot more physical. This has generated massive attraction because in almost all cases I carry the girl within minutes of meeting her, she gets more attracted.

3. Went to a Tyler hotseat. Pretty much know how to get laid now… but can’t yet execute. I’m gonna do a few days/weeks of leading missions to improve that skill.

4. My ego’s getting tamed. I feel comfortable enough to practice on the fatties, walk away, and go for the hotties. I’ll still fuck up time to time though. Last two weekends, I approach EVERYBODY, build momentum really quick, (and don’t get laid because I haven’t practiced leading that much, but again, besides the point).

Also shoutout to my boys still in the game. Thanks Scray, for the advice. Still going cuz of how amazing your transformation was man! And Immoral, you’re not around, but thanks man for the encouragement. See you in the 30!

And for all the other guys I learn from (pretty much the dudes Immoral and Scray talk to about game on a serious level) I’m learning a lot from your lessons.

Finally found a wingman to join me in the shitty cold weather, so we’ll be out, hitting up the streets, and places that aren’t just bars/’clubs lol. I’ll try to drop some more shit from time to time. Peace!


  • YaReally
    on January 30, 2014 at 12:59 am
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    Short note cause I’m on the go:

    Good progress, you’re actually a “threat” to them now. In your first Field Reports you were basically a non-entity to them. Jeffy describes Tyler as “always the cause, never the effect, he forces people to react to him”.

    Fastest way to build attraction is to pass shit-tests. Every shit-test you pass sparks more attraction. It’s hard for me to build attraction with a passive boring shy girl who doesn’t shit-test me, but I can skyrocket it in seconds with a bitchy outgoing girl who gives me shit.

    That said, the fastest way to ensure you get shit-tested is to force them to shit-test you by saying/doing things that they’ll have to react to. So you’re taking the fastest attraction builder and purposely instigating it as frequently as possible.

    For me I say offensive/inappropriate things that I know they can’t ignore. Peacocking is a form of this, Mystery’s ridiculous outfits get him shit-tests and AMOG attacks which are both basically opportunities for him to demonstrate higher value by passing those tests and handling the AMOGs, which causes him to get attraction.

    Try talking about sexual topics with them. You’re going to fuck up a bunch until you get tested enough that they’re easy for you to pass but that’s just how learning the game goes lol



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Hunter
on January 30, 2014 at 12:03 am
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Hey YaReally,

I know you’re not around that much and props to building a new social circle (I’ve only since cultivated a social circle of PUAs since last summer lol), but in addition to learning that (I’ll check the archives), I’m curious as to how to generate attraction faster (verbally).

Things I’m working on fixing:

1. Being immediately dominant/setting the right frame: I usually say “Hey… I think we should go on a date :D” See that smiley? In real life, that means I sort of stand there and wait for a response (when yes, I should really just keep talking).

And yeah, I know that’s bad. I’ve been testing “Want my number?” as an opener recently because it makes me laugh. And there are a lot of phone places I can take it to structure the interaction like she”s the chaser.

2. I’m tired of approaching like “Hey :) What’s up? :)” setting up a lame-ass frame like, “I’m a chode, we should date cuz I’m lonely :(” (as I’m writing this out, I’m realizing that I should write my stuff more often, if not only to think about alternatives to my standard openers “Hey, how’s it going?”, “What’s up?” But those two openers always work because I instantly get physical (put my arm around them, carry them while I look them right in the eye).

I have some field reports I haven’t written, but remember pretty clearly… just need to get to writing them.

3. I’ve gotten into a few “arguments” with girls. The girl will randomly get pissed off, but since I normally react logically to blowups, I get sort of pissed back even though I know that I could turn this around… except I don’t know how. For example:

Me: Hey, ladies, I’m a huge slut. A dirty whore. Come hangout with us (with wing here, he’s stifled, it’s the end of the night outside a bar).

I grab my target around the legs and carry her. She’s calm and says “Uh, put me down.” I comply.

Me: I’m just promiscuous.

7 (the friend): Does this ever work for you?

Me: No, it never works, I’m a virgin.

7: Lol

7.5: You know what, I’m pissed that you did that. Get the fuck away.

Me: Well, sorry you’re pissed, but YOU walk away.

We give each other the death stare (or was it gina tingles???)

Me: Let’s go man.

7.5: Yeah, walk away!

So see…. I’d like to turn situations like these around.

4. Leading (solution: mission days).

Achievements

1. I can generate attraction pretty consistently already. I just maintain my frame and throw myself into the interaction with complete conviction. (Update: Went on my first instadate today, wohoo! She bought the coffee :) Not sure if it’ll go anywhere. Just broke up with her bf and we (she) basically talked about him the whole time. Got her number after… didn’t shit on the bf tho.)

2. I’m a lot more physical. This has generated massive attraction because in almost all cases I carry the girl within minutes of meeting her, she gets more attracted.

3. Went to a Tyler hotseat. Pretty much know how to get laid now… but can’t yet execute. I’m gonna do a few days/weeks of leading missions to improve that skill.

4. My ego’s getting tamed. I feel comfortable enough to practice on the fatties, walk away, and go for the hotties. I’ll still fuck up time to time though. Last two weekends, I approach EVERYBODY, build momentum really quick, (and don’t get laid because I haven’t practiced leading that much, but again, besides the point).

Also shoutout to my boys still in the game. Thanks Scray, for the advice. Still going cuz of how amazing your transformation was man! And Immoral, you’re not around, but thanks man for the encouragement. See you in the 30!

And for all the other guys I learn from (pretty much the dudes Immoral and Scray talk to about game on a serious level) I’m learning a lot from your lessons.

Finally found a wingman to join me in the shitty cold weather, so we’ll be out, hitting up the streets, and places that aren’t just bars/’clubs lol. I’ll try to drop some more shit from time to time. Peace!


  • YaReally
    on January 30, 2014 at 12:59 am
    Original Link

    Short note cause I’m on the go:

    Good progress, you’re actually a “threat” to them now. In your first Field Reports you were basically a non-entity to them. Jeffy describes Tyler as “always the cause, never the effect, he forces people to react to him”.

    Fastest way to build attraction is to pass shit-tests. Every shit-test you pass sparks more attraction. It’s hard for me to build attraction with a passive boring shy girl who doesn’t shit-test me, but I can skyrocket it in seconds with a bitchy outgoing girl who gives me shit.

    That said, the fastest way to ensure you get shit-tested is to force them to shit-test you by saying/doing things that they’ll have to react to. So you’re taking the fastest attraction builder and purposely instigating it as frequently as possible.

    For me I say offensive/inappropriate things that I know they can’t ignore. Peacocking is a form of this, Mystery’s ridiculous outfits get him shit-tests and AMOG attacks which are both basically opportunities for him to demonstrate higher value by passing those tests and handling the AMOGs, which causes him to get attraction.

    Try talking about sexual topics with them. You’re going to fuck up a bunch until you get tested enough that they’re easy for you to pass but that’s just how learning the game goes lol



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walawala
on January 23, 2014 at 2:59 pm
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Another post that seems to be mirroring what’s happening to me.

My ex gf is now freaking out…calling and reaching out on every type of chat network she can find with the same message: “Are you ok? Where are you? I’m worried about you.”

This comes amid me fucking up the “Soft Next” and engaging in contact with her after she came to my New Year’s Eve party.

As YaReally has accurately predicted she then suggested we meet up to go see a photo exhibit. I agreed.

Then she flaked a day before on some flimsy pretext trying to elicit sympathy. I didn’t react. But then I went on a major 3 week holiday which I’m on now….and didn’t tell her.

So the barrage of “I’m worried about you” texts/emails/phone calls (unanswered)

She was never like this when I was the one chasing her.

Now when I quietly go “off the grid” for a while…her imagination and hamster is in over-drive.

When I think back to a variety of situations, “asshole game” has never failed me in the long run.

In the short run the girl I’ve either told to fuck off or acted like the OP or disappeared has short-term reacted with anger, resentment, questions…but longer term they’ve turned into docile kittens.


  • YaReally
    on January 23, 2014 at 5:31 pm
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    “My ex gf is now freaking out…calling and reaching out on every type of chat network she can find with the same message: “Are you ok? Where are you? I’m worried about you.””

    This is just the next card in her rolodex. She can contact any of your friends to find out that you’re safe and sound if she’s really concerned, or she can call the cops to report a missing person…but she won’t, because she isn’t really concerned that you’re in trouble, she’s concerned that you aren’t responding to her attempts to get your attention because you’ve been responding to her attempts to get your attention with your “I’m Mr. Aloof txter!! look at me use my ellipses to mess with her mind!!” power-trip lol So now you’ve trained her that she’s still a part of your life and when she txts you respond (sooner or later).

    So basically you’ve given her this card to play. Her next card will probably be something like “I found out from Mutual Friend that you’re okay, why are you making me worry like that?? Why are you so meeeeeeaaaaannnn!!! (guilt trip)” type shit. Maybe even followed by a “Whatever it is I did I’m sorry!!! (fake apology) I know you hate me right now (guilt trip) but you could at least let someone who cares about you know you’re okay when they’re worried :(” etc. etc. bullshit. Just more rolodex cards to get you to respond.

    This is why your responding fucks everything up. Short-term reward (feeling like a boss, getting some validation or revenge) but with long-term consequences (now you have to wait like a year before she stops txting you when, if you had stuck to the Soft Next, she might have given up by now and you could let her back into your life in like a month).



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walawala
on January 23, 2014 at 2:59 pm
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Another post that seems to be mirroring what’s happening to me.

My ex gf is now freaking out…calling and reaching out on every type of chat network she can find with the same message: “Are you ok? Where are you? I’m worried about you.”

This comes amid me fucking up the “Soft Next” and engaging in contact with her after she came to my New Year’s Eve party.

As YaReally has accurately predicted she then suggested we meet up to go see a photo exhibit. I agreed.

Then she flaked a day before on some flimsy pretext trying to elicit sympathy. I didn’t react. But then I went on a major 3 week holiday which I’m on now….and didn’t tell her.

So the barrage of “I’m worried about you” texts/emails/phone calls (unanswered)

She was never like this when I was the one chasing her.

Now when I quietly go “off the grid” for a while…her imagination and hamster is in over-drive.

When I think back to a variety of situations, “asshole game” has never failed me in the long run.

In the short run the girl I’ve either told to fuck off or acted like the OP or disappeared has short-term reacted with anger, resentment, questions…but longer term they’ve turned into docile kittens.


  • YaReally
    on January 23, 2014 at 5:31 pm
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    “My ex gf is now freaking out…calling and reaching out on every type of chat network she can find with the same message: “Are you ok? Where are you? I’m worried about you.””

    This is just the next card in her rolodex. She can contact any of your friends to find out that you’re safe and sound if she’s really concerned, or she can call the cops to report a missing person…but she won’t, because she isn’t really concerned that you’re in trouble, she’s concerned that you aren’t responding to her attempts to get your attention because you’ve been responding to her attempts to get your attention with your “I’m Mr. Aloof txter!! look at me use my ellipses to mess with her mind!!” power-trip lol So now you’ve trained her that she’s still a part of your life and when she txts you respond (sooner or later).

    So basically you’ve given her this card to play. Her next card will probably be something like “I found out from Mutual Friend that you’re okay, why are you making me worry like that?? Why are you so meeeeeeaaaaannnn!!! (guilt trip)” type shit. Maybe even followed by a “Whatever it is I did I’m sorry!!! (fake apology) I know you hate me right now (guilt trip) but you could at least let someone who cares about you know you’re okay when they’re worried :(” etc. etc. bullshit. Just more rolodex cards to get you to respond.

    This is why your responding fucks everything up. Short-term reward (feeling like a boss, getting some validation or revenge) but with long-term consequences (now you have to wait like a year before she stops txting you when, if you had stuck to the Soft Next, she might have given up by now and you could let her back into your life in like a month).



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walawala
on January 17, 2014 at 9:17 pm
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Here’s one I had with my ex gf who got in touch a few weeks back by coming to my New Years party. Since then she’s been texting regularly.

I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.

Her: Ping text of photo of a cat: “This meow was meowing at me” (opens me after a week of radio silence from me)

Me: hahaha you smell like pate (neg)

Her: no I smell like chocolate (responding playfully)

Me: I’m craving noodles (ignoring her and reframing)

Me: out and about? (comfort text asking her about her day)

Her; I’m feeling stressed and frustrated, need chocolate. (some outreach for sympathy which I ignore)

Her: sends photo of bikini and some jewelery box (more attention grabbing nonsense)

Her: My first bikini

Me: Model it for me (asshole response ordering her around)

Ends there. 6 messages from her, 3 responses from me.

A lot of text game is really just about pushing it or not giving a shit.

in the original post here the guy seems overly invested.

In my text game which I think it getting decent, I can get girls invested in the chat or coming back for more.


  • YaReally
    on January 18, 2014 at 10:22 am
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    “I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.”

    Dude, what are you doing? After all the stuff I wrote about Soft Nexts, you’re still validating her shitty behavior?? I can tell you exactly how this will end but I don’t think you’d listen anymore. You’re txting her because you’re in scarcity and need her attention and she knows it. That’s why she sends a pic of her bikini instead of a pic of her IN her bikini, because that’s the bait to see if you want a pic of her IN it, and you took the bait. You are now chasing her even tho you thought you were being an asshole ordering her around. You’ve now given her “hand”.

    It’s sneaky how she turns it around hey? And hard to truly stay radio silent. But now it will take a year to turn it around.


    • walawala
      on January 18, 2014 at 2:54 pm
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      @YaReally…Wow…this all crept up on me without me really paying that close attention. The irony here is I’m not in scarcity mode. I have 3 different girls I’m seeing. But perhaps that is what’s prompting her to reach out? I’m pretty much over it so the content of the responses is aloof….but that’s not the point, the response itself is the issue. I’m not sure why I’m not totally getting this. Context trumps content in game. That is the insight I get from your post/response.

      They way you deconstruct this totally fits: these are the kind of “trial texts” girls send to gauge interest. When she gets the response that is the goal in itself not any further interaction. So it’s generate sympathy: nothing, generate response: nothing, make it sexual: response—mission accomplished.

      She’s gaming me without me realizing it or being fully conscious of it.

      In my mind I’m thinking how clever these responses are but what’s missing is that context is as important as the content itself.

      I’m thinking I’m being clever by being aloof. But the dynamic is about generating a response not the content of that response.

      I’m now on holiday so won’t see her at our weekly events or be easy to contact for 3 weeks. We’re not friends on FB.

      I never told her I was going away.

      Is this now back to radio silence and ignore? Come back and return to square one?


      • YaReally
        on January 18, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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        “Is this now back to radio silence and ignore? Come back and return to square one?”

        Yup. You’re starting over from scratch now except now you’ve caved like 5 times so the length of time it’ll take is fucking forever. Literally no contact for a 6mo to a year, maybe more. Quit fucking it up lol

        She was ALWAYS texting you. You haven’t gained any kind of ground with your aloof shit. She’s doing the exact same Rolodex shit she did on week 1 except now she’s getting attention from you. You could have taken her back on week one, like I told you, that was never in doubt. The point of this is to teach her that drama isn’t okay so that if you take her back she’ll have learned not to cause you drama. You’ve undone the last bunch of months of work because you got cocky and thought you were being mr aloof badass but any news is good news.


        • walawala
          on January 18, 2014 at 5:55 pm
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          @YaReally

          Here’s an important learning for anyone reading or following this. Intellectually all the game ideas are easy to grasp.

          But the only true test is through experience.

          There is a concept called “hoovering” Like the vacuum cleaner brand: Hoover where the “Emotional Vampire” who leaves or whom you dump for creating drama and sucking the life out of you tries to lure you back.

          When you read about this, it’s usually quite dramatic: they fake suicide, they threaten all sorts of drama.

          But these texts I’m receiving…are clear examples of “hoovering”.

          I think on one level my game is quite good.

          But I have a blind spot–perhaps a good idea for a post–what is your game blind spot?

          My blind spot is that somewhere inside I believe that there is a technique, a structure, an idea that can help reverse any situation.

          But sometimes walking away IS the solution. As you’ve rightly pointed out and has been borne out by the facts, the “end” for her is drama whereas the “end” for me would be a bang, a relationship or something more tangible.

          Hard to grasp but necessary.


          • YaReally
            on January 19, 2014 at 7:10 am
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            @walawala

            “My blind spot is that somewhere inside I believe that there is a technique, a structure, an idea that can help reverse any situation.”

            No, there IS a technique that can reverse this situation. It’s called a Soft Next and it works exactly how I’ve described it to you 50 times over the past like 6 months.

            You just haven’t ever ACTUALLY executed it properly. You keep half-assing it or sabotaging it (going to weekly parties with her there) or trying to find loopholes where you can stay in touch with her (txting aloofly) or doing it for a couple weeks then caving yet again and having to start the Soft Next over again, except each time you add another few months onto how long it’ll have to take. You’re now at a solid YEAR of NO CONTACT and her NOT seeing you, before she’ll give up and you could take her back.

            Your blind spot isn’t that you think there’s a technique but there isn’t actually one. The technique is a Soft Next, executed exactly how I’ve described it. Your blind spot is that you can’t see that you keep self-sabotaging the technique and you’ve convinced yourself that just because you have other girls on the go somehow that allows you to circumvent the rules of the Soft Next.

            I, and all the combined PUA knowledge of the last 10+ years, am telling you 2 + 2 = 4 and you’re trying 2 + 1, 2 + 3, 3 + 3…every variation in the book you can think of, thinking you can scam the system and break the rules and get the same result…the only version of the formula you haven’t ACTUALLY executed is the one that WORKS.

            I’m not trying to be a dick, but the message doesn’t seem to be getting thru to you, your brain keeps going “okay okay ya I should soft next…but what if instead of a full soft next, I invite her to my New Years party?” Like no, that’s not how it works and you’re just extending things to the point where you will end up having to either no contact radio silence no weekly parties vanish for 5 years till she’s old and gross, or take her back and accept that you will be grey haired and balding prematurely from all the drama she’ll bring you because you rewarded her for it…multiple times.

            @Scray
            “I feel your pain. I can’t NEXT for shit. It’s hard for me to punish people I care about….fuark.”

            I’m not saying it’s easy esp when you’re new to game, but caring about them is WHY you have to punish them. They need you to bring order and stability to their chaotic life. In the same way you deny your daughter cookies for dinner every night so she learns healthy eating habits and doesn’t grow up to be obese, you deny a woman who’s bringing you drama your attention so she learns to stop ruining her relationship with you and you can have a healthier solid relationship together.

            aka it’s ultimately for their own good.


  • Hunter
    on January 20, 2014 at 12:41 pm
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    Hey guys! Glad to see and read everything that’s been going on. I’ve done a few new things lately (a few more makeouts ( no lays yet), some leading (me and a wing lead two girls we just met into a cab… but bailed because I got trapped in my head… anyway, it was still cool), told a story to group of girls, got some more wingmen, etc). It’s still freaking cold but I go out every weekend starting Thursday.

    Lol walawala, be like ICE and cut her off for good man. Delete her number, delete your Facebook, whatever it takes so you don’t have to see her. It’ll be fine in the long run (if you don’t trust me, trust YaReally).

    I don’t really have any questions since I know my absolute main problem is leading (in convos, escalation, physical leading, etc.). I’ll post some detail on this sticking point later today. Still going at it nonetheless. Keep it up guys, it’s gonna be great!


    • YaReally
      on January 21, 2014 at 10:08 am
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      @Hunter

      Glad you’re still goin’ at it. I’ve got my own shit going on right now I’m not around as much (moving to a new city and have to rebuild my entire social circle, harem, etc. from scratch here), but keep at it. You’ll be hitting the ground running in summer if you go out in the winter…reframe it like: only the hardcore party people are out at the bar in the winter, all the girls there want to get laid…the ones with boyfriends are curled up at home with them, drinking hot chocolate and watching Ryan Gosling movies. The girls still throwing on skirts and heels and trudging through the cold to the bar are looking for a dude so they can STOP having to do that lol

      That’s the mentality I fostered to survive waiting at the bus-stop in knee-deep snow 4 nights a week back in the day. ;)



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walawala
on January 17, 2014 at 9:17 pm
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Here’s one I had with my ex gf who got in touch a few weeks back by coming to my New Years party. Since then she’s been texting regularly.

I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.

Her: Ping text of photo of a cat: “This meow was meowing at me” (opens me after a week of radio silence from me)

Me: hahaha you smell like pate (neg)

Her: no I smell like chocolate (responding playfully)

Me: I’m craving noodles (ignoring her and reframing)

Me: out and about? (comfort text asking her about her day)

Her; I’m feeling stressed and frustrated, need chocolate. (some outreach for sympathy which I ignore)

Her: sends photo of bikini and some jewelery box (more attention grabbing nonsense)

Her: My first bikini

Me: Model it for me (asshole response ordering her around)

Ends there. 6 messages from her, 3 responses from me.

A lot of text game is really just about pushing it or not giving a shit.

in the original post here the guy seems overly invested.

In my text game which I think it getting decent, I can get girls invested in the chat or coming back for more.


  • YaReally
    on January 18, 2014 at 10:22 am
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    “I now only respond and don’t initiate and usually it’s along the lines below.”

    Dude, what are you doing? After all the stuff I wrote about Soft Nexts, you’re still validating her shitty behavior?? I can tell you exactly how this will end but I don’t think you’d listen anymore. You’re txting her because you’re in scarcity and need her attention and she knows it. That’s why she sends a pic of her bikini instead of a pic of her IN her bikini, because that’s the bait to see if you want a pic of her IN it, and you took the bait. You are now chasing her even tho you thought you were being an asshole ordering her around. You’ve now given her “hand”.

    It’s sneaky how she turns it around hey? And hard to truly stay radio silent. But now it will take a year to turn it around.


    • YaReally
      on January 18, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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      “Is this now back to radio silence and ignore? Come back and return to square one?”

      Yup. You’re starting over from scratch now except now you’ve caved like 5 times so the length of time it’ll take is fucking forever. Literally no contact for a 6mo to a year, maybe more. Quit fucking it up lol

      She was ALWAYS texting you. You haven’t gained any kind of ground with your aloof shit. She’s doing the exact same Rolodex shit she did on week 1 except now she’s getting attention from you. You could have taken her back on week one, like I told you, that was never in doubt. The point of this is to teach her that drama isn’t okay so that if you take her back she’ll have learned not to cause you drama. You’ve undone the last bunch of months of work because you got cocky and thought you were being mr aloof badass but any news is good news.


    • YaReally
      on January 19, 2014 at 7:10 am
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      @walawala

      “My blind spot is that somewhere inside I believe that there is a technique, a structure, an idea that can help reverse any situation.”

      No, there IS a technique that can reverse this situation. It’s called a Soft Next and it works exactly how I’ve described it to you 50 times over the past like 6 months.

      You just haven’t ever ACTUALLY executed it properly. You keep half-assing it or sabotaging it (going to weekly parties with her there) or trying to find loopholes where you can stay in touch with her (txting aloofly) or doing it for a couple weeks then caving yet again and having to start the Soft Next over again, except each time you add another few months onto how long it’ll have to take. You’re now at a solid YEAR of NO CONTACT and her NOT seeing you, before she’ll give up and you could take her back.

      Your blind spot isn’t that you think there’s a technique but there isn’t actually one. The technique is a Soft Next, executed exactly how I’ve described it. Your blind spot is that you can’t see that you keep self-sabotaging the technique and you’ve convinced yourself that just because you have other girls on the go somehow that allows you to circumvent the rules of the Soft Next.

      I, and all the combined PUA knowledge of the last 10+ years, am telling you 2 + 2 = 4 and you’re trying 2 + 1, 2 + 3, 3 + 3…every variation in the book you can think of, thinking you can scam the system and break the rules and get the same result…the only version of the formula you haven’t ACTUALLY executed is the one that WORKS.

      I’m not trying to be a dick, but the message doesn’t seem to be getting thru to you, your brain keeps going “okay okay ya I should soft next…but what if instead of a full soft next, I invite her to my New Years party?” Like no, that’s not how it works and you’re just extending things to the point where you will end up having to either no contact radio silence no weekly parties vanish for 5 years till she’s old and gross, or take her back and accept that you will be grey haired and balding prematurely from all the drama she’ll bring you because you rewarded her for it…multiple times.

      @Scray
      “I feel your pain. I can’t NEXT for shit. It’s hard for me to punish people I care about….fuark.”

      I’m not saying it’s easy esp when you’re new to game, but caring about them is WHY you have to punish them. They need you to bring order and stability to their chaotic life. In the same way you deny your daughter cookies for dinner every night so she learns healthy eating habits and doesn’t grow up to be obese, you deny a woman who’s bringing you drama your attention so she learns to stop ruining her relationship with you and you can have a healthier solid relationship together.

      aka it’s ultimately for their own good.


  • Hunter
    on January 20, 2014 at 12:41 pm
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    Hey guys! Glad to see and read everything that’s been going on. I’ve done a few new things lately (a few more makeouts ( no lays yet), some leading (me and a wing lead two girls we just met into a cab… but bailed because I got trapped in my head… anyway, it was still cool), told a story to group of girls, got some more wingmen, etc). It’s still freaking cold but I go out every weekend starting Thursday.

    Lol walawala, be like ICE and cut her off for good man. Delete her number, delete your Facebook, whatever it takes so you don’t have to see her. It’ll be fine in the long run (if you don’t trust me, trust YaReally).

    I don’t really have any questions since I know my absolute main problem is leading (in convos, escalation, physical leading, etc.). I’ll post some detail on this sticking point later today. Still going at it nonetheless. Keep it up guys, it’s gonna be great!


    • YaReally
      on January 21, 2014 at 10:08 am
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      @Hunter

      Glad you’re still goin’ at it. I’ve got my own shit going on right now I’m not around as much (moving to a new city and have to rebuild my entire social circle, harem, etc. from scratch here), but keep at it. You’ll be hitting the ground running in summer if you go out in the winter…reframe it like: only the hardcore party people are out at the bar in the winter, all the girls there want to get laid…the ones with boyfriends are curled up at home with them, drinking hot chocolate and watching Ryan Gosling movies. The girls still throwing on skirts and heels and trudging through the cold to the bar are looking for a dude so they can STOP having to do that lol

      That’s the mentality I fostered to survive waiting at the bus-stop in knee-deep snow 4 nights a week back in the day. ;)



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nohomo
on January 18, 2014 at 6:00 am
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lol, is it so hard to understand that this kind of heartiste shit only works when ATTRACTION is already there?

let’s see how would go if you were trying to fuck an uninterested hottie:

you: hey (alpha, no punctuation, lol, only way to get her attention since she won’t ever ever ever ever ever text you since she doesn’t give a shit about you)

her: hi :) (best of cases if she responds to you because you have some importance in the common social circle you could share e.g. university / college, otherwise lol)

you are the chaser now, so any bullshit you could do is always framed as you are the chaser. So the shit like: “LOL, WUT MAKES U THINK DATE LOL? BRING DA MOVIES” won’t work

[CH: You don't know what you're talking about. Read the archives. The attitude exemplified in all these outcome indifference techniques is catnip to women. *Especially" hotties. It actually builds attraction.
Of course, you have no intention of reading the archives, because you're a troll with three fingers up his vagina.]


  • Scray
    on January 18, 2014 at 9:55 pm
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    +3 bajillion.

    Always trying to explain this shit. Again, the dudes who are uber impressed by this are either KJ’s or dudes who let their looks do the work for them. When you’re going after a new hottie who has no reason to be instantly attracted, this shit will not cut it. Ever.

    [CH: The nohomo vagina above is a long-time troll hater (same diff) who deals in nothing but strawmen. No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls. There's a seaason for everything. A man has to bust a move first to ever get to a point when he can start dropping "chase me" game.]


    • YaReally
      on January 19, 2014 at 7:30 am
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      I agree with nohomo lol. The reason buddy up there bombed is because he didn’t have shit for value with that chick who was super high value compared to him and was on turf where she’s high value.

      She’s some smokin hot stripper-lookin chick and he’s a dude on a fucking dating site. Like no offense to the OP, but being a dude opening girls on the Internet is AUTOMATICALLY a huge DLV. Is George Clooney opening girls on OKCupid? Fuck no. For a girl who looks like that, who’s going to have high enough value to 1) run that confident assume-attraction game and have it work and 2) be high enough value to make her chase him? It’s NOT the guy opening girls on the fucking Internet lol it’s the high-value guy with balls who cold approaches her after she sees a bunch of DHV shit in front of her face. It’s the guy who’s shaking hands with the manager and has other hot girls on his arm or running up to him in front of her, or who she’s heard from her friends is an asshole because he fucked them but wouldn’t commit, and who’s body language and voice tonality and eye contact and physicality she can experience first-hand during his approach etc. it’s not “LonelyInMiami33″ opening her online with “sorry, you can’t fuck me”. Her instant response in her head is “(shrug) okay.” with a raised eyebrow of who gives a fuck.

      “No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls.”

      To be fair that’s pretty much the M.O. of the entire rooshvforum and half the rest of the manosphere. Put on your fancy custom-tailored suit with matching pocket square and watch and “post up” at the bar waiting for pussy to jump on your dick, then bang the 5/10 “lizard” that approaches you (cause the 8+/10s ain’t approaching men, they don’t have to) and lol to your buddies online that you were slumming it for a lark when the reality is you haven’t pulled a hot girl in a year…then go off to EE where you can do the same thing but your custom suit makes you even more attractive so you don’t have to actually have any game.

      So like, I see his point lol



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nohomo
on January 18, 2014 at 6:00 am
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lol, is it so hard to understand that this kind of heartiste shit only works when ATTRACTION is already there?

let’s see how would go if you were trying to fuck an uninterested hottie:

you: hey (alpha, no punctuation, lol, only way to get her attention since she won’t ever ever ever ever ever text you since she doesn’t give a shit about you)

her: hi :) (best of cases if she responds to you because you have some importance in the common social circle you could share e.g. university / college, otherwise lol)

you are the chaser now, so any bullshit you could do is always framed as you are the chaser. So the shit like: “LOL, WUT MAKES U THINK DATE LOL? BRING DA MOVIES” won’t work

[CH: You don’t know what you’re talking about. Read the archives. The attitude exemplified in all these outcome indifference techniques is catnip to women. *Especially” hotties. It actually builds attraction.
Of course, you have no intention of reading the archives, because you’re a troll with three fingers up his vagina.]


  • Scray
    on January 18, 2014 at 9:55 pm
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    +3 bajillion.

    Always trying to explain this shit. Again, the dudes who are uber impressed by this are either KJ’s or dudes who let their looks do the work for them. When you’re going after a new hottie who has no reason to be instantly attracted, this shit will not cut it. Ever.

    [CH: The nohomo vagina above is a long-time troll hater (same diff) who deals in nothing but strawmen. No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls. There’s a seaason for everything. A man has to bust a move first to ever get to a point when he can start dropping “chase me” game.]


    • YaReally
      on January 19, 2014 at 7:30 am
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      I agree with nohomo lol. The reason buddy up there bombed is because he didn’t have shit for value with that chick who was super high value compared to him and was on turf where she’s high value.

      She’s some smokin hot stripper-lookin chick and he’s a dude on a fucking dating site. Like no offense to the OP, but being a dude opening girls on the Internet is AUTOMATICALLY a huge DLV. Is George Clooney opening girls on OKCupid? Fuck no. For a girl who looks like that, who’s going to have high enough value to 1) run that confident assume-attraction game and have it work and 2) be high enough value to make her chase him? It’s NOT the guy opening girls on the fucking Internet lol it’s the high-value guy with balls who cold approaches her after she sees a bunch of DHV shit in front of her face. It’s the guy who’s shaking hands with the manager and has other hot girls on his arm or running up to him in front of her, or who she’s heard from her friends is an asshole because he fucked them but wouldn’t commit, and who’s body language and voice tonality and eye contact and physicality she can experience first-hand during his approach etc. it’s not “LonelyInMiami33″ opening her online with “sorry, you can’t fuck me”. Her instant response in her head is “(shrug) okay.” with a raised eyebrow of who gives a fuck.

      “No one here has ever claimed that standing in a corner being aloof is how you pick up cute girls.”

      To be fair that’s pretty much the M.O. of the entire rooshvforum and half the rest of the manosphere. Put on your fancy custom-tailored suit with matching pocket square and watch and “post up” at the bar waiting for pussy to jump on your dick, then bang the 5/10 “lizard” that approaches you (cause the 8+/10s ain’t approaching men, they don’t have to) and lol to your buddies online that you were slumming it for a lark when the reality is you haven’t pulled a hot girl in a year…then go off to EE where you can do the same thing but your custom suit makes you even more attractive so you don’t have to actually have any game.

      So like, I see his point lol



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Mike
on January 11, 2014 at 10:57 am
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See my whole thing is I know that this is true but it would just make me hate the bitch and want to get a new one.


  • YaReally
    on January 12, 2014 at 10:35 am
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    “it would just make me hate the bitch and want to get a new one.”

    Ultimately this comes from being insecure and reactive and you can fix it, tho a lot of guys end up going down the bitter path and stewing in a hatred of women which is pretty unhealthy lol

    Anyway, think of it like this:

    If your son cried because you won’t let him eat cookies for dinner, would you hate him, think he’s a little piece of shit, and want to replace him with a different son? Or would you discipline and teach him?

    if your dog pooped on the couch, would you hate him, think he’s a little piece of shit, and want to replace him with a different dog? Or would you discipline and train him?

    If not, what do you think the difference is between how you’d react to those things and how you’d react to a woman who tests you?

    “Well, a woman is older than a kid, so she should know better by now!!!”

    Who would have taught her to know better? Her absent father? The society that encourages her to NOT know better and not take responsibility for her actions, protecting her from the consequences, and in fact REWARDS her for causing drama and running on her emotions?

    They’re like children or untrained pets. You resent them for it because you see yourself in them and think “that’s bullshit, no one would let ME get away with that! Why are women such entitled bitches who think they can do what they want!! They should show respect to other people, I had to learn to do it so they should have had to too! It’s not fair that I had to learn that guys will punch me in the face if I’m a dick and they didn’t have to, life was harder for me and that’s unfair!!”, instead of seeing yourself as above them and benevolent like “oh cute, she’s acting out, no one has disciplined her properly and taught her to be a better person…she’ll learn that from me if she spends time around me trying to test me.”, the same way you’d think that about your son or your dog when it tests you.

    They’re not bitches, they just don’t know any better yet. Whether you want to invest the time to teach them or not is up to you…you can look for a girl who’s better trained at being a pleasant human being than other girls, and there are a ton of them out there (a big part of how they treat you is how you come off and your vibe, I don’t get a lot of shit from girls these days because they know from the start that I won’t tolerate it).

    But they’re not inherently “evil”, they’re simply making sure that you are a guy who won’t cave when life presses you. If you get frustrated and lose your shit over a silly little girl testing you, how are you going to raise the kids you have together? Or the pets you get? Or take care of your family when life gets difficult and LIFE tests you?

    They just want to make sure they made the right choice by weeding you out if you’re weak. Shit-tests don’t bother you when you’re solid like an oak tree…if anything the tests become cute, like the notion that she would think her tests would shake your solid roots.



It’s Peanut Butter And Vanity Time

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Mike
on January 11, 2014 at 10:57 am
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See my whole thing is I know that this is true but it would just make me hate the bitch and want to get a new one.


  • YaReally
    on January 12, 2014 at 10:35 am
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    “it would just make me hate the bitch and want to get a new one.”

    Ultimately this comes from being insecure and reactive and you can fix it, tho a lot of guys end up going down the bitter path and stewing in a hatred of women which is pretty unhealthy lol

    Anyway, think of it like this:

    If your son cried because you won’t let him eat cookies for dinner, would you hate him, think he’s a little piece of shit, and want to replace him with a different son? Or would you discipline and teach him?

    if your dog pooped on the couch, would you hate him, think he’s a little piece of shit, and want to replace him with a different dog? Or would you discipline and train him?

    If not, what do you think the difference is between how you’d react to those things and how you’d react to a woman who tests you?

    “Well, a woman is older than a kid, so she should know better by now!!!”

    Who would have taught her to know better? Her absent father? The society that encourages her to NOT know better and not take responsibility for her actions, protecting her from the consequences, and in fact REWARDS her for causing drama and running on her emotions?

    They’re like children or untrained pets. You resent them for it because you see yourself in them and think “that’s bullshit, no one would let ME get away with that! Why are women such entitled bitches who think they can do what they want!! They should show respect to other people, I had to learn to do it so they should have had to too! It’s not fair that I had to learn that guys will punch me in the face if I’m a dick and they didn’t have to, life was harder for me and that’s unfair!!”, instead of seeing yourself as above them and benevolent like “oh cute, she’s acting out, no one has disciplined her properly and taught her to be a better person…she’ll learn that from me if she spends time around me trying to test me.”, the same way you’d think that about your son or your dog when it tests you.

    They’re not bitches, they just don’t know any better yet. Whether you want to invest the time to teach them or not is up to you…you can look for a girl who’s better trained at being a pleasant human being than other girls, and there are a ton of them out there (a big part of how they treat you is how you come off and your vibe, I don’t get a lot of shit from girls these days because they know from the start that I won’t tolerate it).

    But they’re not inherently “evil”, they’re simply making sure that you are a guy who won’t cave when life presses you. If you get frustrated and lose your shit over a silly little girl testing you, how are you going to raise the kids you have together? Or the pets you get? Or take care of your family when life gets difficult and LIFE tests you?

    They just want to make sure they made the right choice by weeding you out if you’re weak. Shit-tests don’t bother you when you’re solid like an oak tree…if anything the tests become cute, like the notion that she would think her tests would shake your solid roots.



Why Chateau Heartiste Taunts Loudmouth Fatties

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Scray
on January 9, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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All right…but why just focus on fat women tho. Fatness in general is bad. Declining T and declining sperm in the last 50 years. What else has happened in the last 50 years? Oh yeah, men being fat fucks.

Rather than betas being alive longer to ‘compete…’ I’d just say being fat is fucking with masculinity — and femininity.

Women saying that “you go grrl” “you’re beautiful” is bad.
But men saying shit like “ya women don’t go for looks” is also bad…because there’s a huge behavioral component to being fat that gets overlooked.

Most game concepts are easier to execute when you are fit. Just sayin’


  • Crazy Heart
    on January 9, 2014 at 12:38 pm
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    Game is a lot easier with Confidence..So whatever gives you that/placebo effect….


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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      “Game is a lot easier with Confidence..So whatever gives you that/placebo effect….”

      This. If you think being fat is a positive attribute, so will women. They follow your frame because they ping off their environment to know how they should feel…that’s why social proof works. That’s why when you get a new shirt and feel awesome, you get more attention, then when that new shirt feeling wears off, the attention slows down and you go buy another shirt.

      If you’re fat, short, etc. they may snub you on online dating sites and shit where all they can judge you by is your photo, or when you stand around in the bar you’ll get less looks, but in an action interaction in person, face to face, if you fully believe that those attributes are boss, your frame will overcome theirs.

      The problem is most men don’t like themselves (for a ton of reasons, advertising/marketing being one of the top ones of course) and don’t feel like they deserve hot women. That’s why they’re better looking than I’ll ever look, but posting forever alone posts on the Misc after their workouts, or waiting till they make their first million before they start approaching.

      If you want a mind-fuck, keep working out until you look so ripped/hot that hot girls start rejecting you because your body makes them feel insecure about theirs, while at the same time you become more outcome dependent because you think the girls should all want to fuck you because of how good you look and you become frustrated when they don’t immediately like you lol it’s all completely arbitrary and silly.


      • FuriousFerret
        on January 9, 2014 at 5:37 pm
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        “waiting till they make their first million before they start approaching.”

        CEO/10k day

        At least The Misc is a lot better than the vast majority of men in our society. Black Knighting is positive, White Knights are severely frowned upon, funny politically incorrect humor is seen as a good thing.

        Also it’s cool to see so many nationalities posting. You get a sense of other culture’s viewpoints and it’s one of the few places that you get a heavy masculine vibe and it doesn’t allow females to take over for the most part.

        There is reason that a sizable minority is drawn to The Misc even for people that don’t body build. It’s because it’s become a last bastion of ‘boys being allowed to be boys’ in a world where every damn place is being coopted by feminine ethos.


        • YaReally
          on January 9, 2014 at 5:54 pm
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          “It’s because it’s become a last bastion of ‘boys being allowed to be boys’ in a world where every damn place is being coopted by feminine ethos.”

          I love the Misc for exactly that reason. It’s just pure “id”, even if a lot of them are misguided when it comes to game/attraction. I read it all the time lol

          But that doesn’t change that a lot of them are still trapped in social conditioning that prevents them from getting results with women.

          The nice thing about being a man is that like 90% of this shit is internal. You could take a virgin dude who’s ugly and if you could magically flip a mental switch in him to change all his beliefs to the proper ones, he could instantly be capable of picking up and banging hot girls. Like Tyler said back in the old days “put me in any one of your bodies and I’ll pick up”. A ton of pickup isn’t about learning new things, it’s about undoing all the damage a lifetime of social conditioning has done and rewiring shitty beliefs/habits.


      • immoralgables
        on January 9, 2014 at 7:35 pm
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        God so much fucking this man. If you’re short and not physically attractive, having the stones to approach direct via the day is going through the attraction stage and voila! You are in comfort bros. Fuck, the chick automatically assumes you got it going on because you got to when you feel entitled enough to come over and give her a slice of your personality.

        I just went on my first instadate via daygame with an HB8 today man and that comment you made earlier about banging the hired gun put me in the proper mindset to pull it off.

        I’ll probably give an FR in a more recent post to share with the readership.

        I remember back in August I number closed an HB8 Russian Blonde and you asked why I didn’t do the i-date. That fucking stick with me.

        Today was the day I was able to calibrate and pull it off.

        Quote from the i-date: “Yeah everyone was staring and watching you as you came over and started talking.”

        Ahhhhhh fuck yeeaaah


        • Scray
          on January 9, 2014 at 8:50 pm
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          ‘Today was the day I was able to calibrate and pull it off.

          Quote from the i-date’

          Holy shit, nice!


          • YaReally
            on January 10, 2014 at 10:16 am
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            All solid stuff in that vid. Especially the idea that “you will never win”. I think a lot of guys visualize that when they get their million dollars they’ll finally feel “good enough”, but they just haven’t hung around high-value guys who already have a million dollars and see how they don’t feel “good enough” until they have 50 million dollars, etc.

            The more people you go out and meet, the more you realize that everyone is insecure and feels incomplete no matter how good it looks like they have it. It’s very very rare to meet someone who feels complete and secure in themselves regardless of their external attributes.

            This is also why if you go to a private party with super high-value people, you’ll find that because everyone is rich there, everyone’s money becomes irrelevant and the people there judge eachother based on other attributes like who’s the most socially free or intelligent or has the most interesting frame/reality etc. Like if everyone in the world had a Ferrari, you couldn’t really impress anyone with your Ferrari…but when you’re a peasant who dreams of owning a Ferrari and only 10 people in the world can afford them, you think when you get one you’ll finally be able to impress people.

            And then you can take this even further, into hitting on 10s. Legit gorgeous 8+ girls are surrounded by tall good-looking guys with 6-pack abs and Ferraris and tons of money, and those guys are all shoving that stuff in the girl’s face trying to impress her. Because she’s surrounded by that, it becomes meaningless and she looks at other ways to judge the men she meets. So even if you have none of that shit, if you approach her with the same level of confidence as those guys, but you have a strong/interesting frame etc., you’ll be more attractive to her than them because they haven’t cultivated that stuff since they got caught up in the rat race.

            It’s fascinating, but super hard to wrap your head around and fully believe until you’ve seen it in action in the real world around you and been a part of it. Thus our stressing that guys go out and approach regularly…to experience this stuff first-hand.


    • Scray
      on January 9, 2014 at 8:37 pm
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      Let me clarify:

      We all realize that the internals are what matter in game. Self-confident behavior is a marker of fitness.

      And ya, you can try to ex nihilo your way into the kind of earth-shattering confidence it takes to overturn social norms (like, a fat newbie just coming in to this has to COMPLETELY rewire his psychology to do this).

      I’m just saying that, if you start getting your shit together while simultaneously going out and gaming, it will make for a better experience. It’s symbiotic.

      There’s a video somewhere where Tyler talks about how the game itself encourages self-improvement. Getting fit is just one of those areas.

      The reason why you need to improve yourself and game at the same time is so you can avoid relying on externals. The value in building yourself is mostly in the act of building yourself up.

      You start thinking of yourself as a person of action. You start thinking of yourself as someone who gets what he wants and as someone who deserves the best.

      That was huge for me starting out and it made it easier for me to take chances and throw myself into shit. Plus, getting fit has a ton of health benefits beyond the psychological ones I mentioned — the T stuff, whatever aesthetic effect (ya, keep it contextual….as in, ‘cool will be a little easier in some sets and I’ll be able to screen for certain types of girls as well’), etc.

      Once you’re past newbie stage, I mean….your internals will probably be rock solid independent of that stuff. But starting out, I’d def recommend it


      • YaReally
        on January 10, 2014 at 10:07 am
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        “You start thinking of yourself as a person of action. You start thinking of yourself as someone who gets what he wants and as someone who deserves the best.”

        Agreed. The thing I like to stress in these discussions is simply that these other internal things that you build through working on improving yourself externally (getting in shape, earning money, updating your wardrobe, etc.) are what’s attractive, not the external thing itself.

        Some things are cheap quick fixes that wear off quickly…”dirty highs” like basing your worth in your new shirt. Till that effect wears off as you get used to the shirt, and now you feel like you’ve lost your mojo and advertising convinces you that shirt isn’t cool anymore and you need the next new shirt to feel attractive again.

        On the flip side some things are long fixes that can stick for life…like dedicating yourself to a goal like getting in shape and achieving that goal and building all the internal stuff like dedication, time management, pushing your limits, self-discipline, etc.

        I fully support guys working on the long fixes, but with the caveat that it should be while ALSO going out and approaching women, VS waiting until you achieve those goals to start.

        I don’t support chasing the short fixes because they expire and the crash will fuck you over, possibly even worse than when you started out. It’s like a poor person winning the lottery (external short fix)…they didn’t build up the internal skills (money management, discipline, etc.) that the entrepreneur who built a business slowly did, so they end up throwing all their lottery money away and ending up poor again.

        The problem with the guys at the Misc is that they look at the surface level and say “I wasn’t getting attention when I was 20% bodyfat, but I do at 18% bodyfat, so 18% bodyfat must be more attractive to women”, instead of looking at the internal level of what obtaining 18% bodyfat did for their mental state, view of themselves, confidence, etc.

        A lot of people get stuck in this thinking because social conditioning is designed to make you chase the newest product and never feel complete, so advertising etc. WANTS you to focus only on the external attributes. They don’t want you to look any deeper, because if people realized that they didn’t need the $75 t-shirt to get laid and instead they could get laid just as much in a $5 t-shirt, the world starts falling apart lol

        Women ping off their environment for how to feel, so marketing is aimed toward them…because they know a lot of guys don’t see any reason to own more than a few pairs of shoes, but they can convince women to drop $300 on a new pair every month till their closet is full and they’re still looking for the next “dirty high”.

        This idea is covered in Fight Club a lot…all the stuff about “working jobs we hate to buy shit we don’t need”, “a duvet is just a blanket”, “I say never be complete”, etc. is trying to get the mass audience to look at their IKEA lifestyle and think “how much of this is really relevant to my worth as a human being?”

        That all said, while improving yourself is good in the newbie stages, when you become advanced you should destroy yourself a little every now and then. Go out dressed like shit with your hair unkempt and do the same thing you always do approaching women. Gain a little weight for a few months and do the same thing you always do approaching women. Tell girls sincerely that you work at Wal-Mart and live with your parents. Tell girls you don’t have a car. etc. etc.

        Do that stuff while still approaching in the same way you’ve taught yourself to do, until you’re getting the same results you got when you had all that good shit going. That’s when you truly become free and internalize “you are enough”. Then you can go back to achieving those things again if you want them, except you’ll be doing it with a healthier intent (chasing 14% bodyfat as a personal challenge/goal, VS chasing it because you think it’ll get you more girls and that you aren’t “enough” at 18% bodyfat).



Why Chateau Heartiste Taunts Loudmouth Fatties

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Scray
on January 9, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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All right…but why just focus on fat women tho. Fatness in general is bad. Declining T and declining sperm in the last 50 years. What else has happened in the last 50 years? Oh yeah, men being fat fucks.

Rather than betas being alive longer to ‘compete…’ I’d just say being fat is fucking with masculinity — and femininity.

Women saying that “you go grrl” “you’re beautiful” is bad.
But men saying shit like “ya women don’t go for looks” is also bad…because there’s a huge behavioral component to being fat that gets overlooked.

Most game concepts are easier to execute when you are fit. Just sayin’


  • Crazy Heart
    on January 9, 2014 at 12:38 pm
    Original Link

    Game is a lot easier with Confidence..So whatever gives you that/placebo effect….


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 5:00 pm
      Original Link

      “Game is a lot easier with Confidence..So whatever gives you that/placebo effect….”

      This. If you think being fat is a positive attribute, so will women. They follow your frame because they ping off their environment to know how they should feel…that’s why social proof works. That’s why when you get a new shirt and feel awesome, you get more attention, then when that new shirt feeling wears off, the attention slows down and you go buy another shirt.

      If you’re fat, short, etc. they may snub you on online dating sites and shit where all they can judge you by is your photo, or when you stand around in the bar you’ll get less looks, but in an action interaction in person, face to face, if you fully believe that those attributes are boss, your frame will overcome theirs.

      The problem is most men don’t like themselves (for a ton of reasons, advertising/marketing being one of the top ones of course) and don’t feel like they deserve hot women. That’s why they’re better looking than I’ll ever look, but posting forever alone posts on the Misc after their workouts, or waiting till they make their first million before they start approaching.

      If you want a mind-fuck, keep working out until you look so ripped/hot that hot girls start rejecting you because your body makes them feel insecure about theirs, while at the same time you become more outcome dependent because you think the girls should all want to fuck you because of how good you look and you become frustrated when they don’t immediately like you lol it’s all completely arbitrary and silly.


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 5:54 pm
      Original Link

      “It’s because it’s become a last bastion of ‘boys being allowed to be boys’ in a world where every damn place is being coopted by feminine ethos.”

      I love the Misc for exactly that reason. It’s just pure “id”, even if a lot of them are misguided when it comes to game/attraction. I read it all the time lol

      But that doesn’t change that a lot of them are still trapped in social conditioning that prevents them from getting results with women.

      The nice thing about being a man is that like 90% of this shit is internal. You could take a virgin dude who’s ugly and if you could magically flip a mental switch in him to change all his beliefs to the proper ones, he could instantly be capable of picking up and banging hot girls. Like Tyler said back in the old days “put me in any one of your bodies and I’ll pick up”. A ton of pickup isn’t about learning new things, it’s about undoing all the damage a lifetime of social conditioning has done and rewiring shitty beliefs/habits.


    • YaReally
      on January 10, 2014 at 10:07 am
      Original Link

      “You start thinking of yourself as a person of action. You start thinking of yourself as someone who gets what he wants and as someone who deserves the best.”

      Agreed. The thing I like to stress in these discussions is simply that these other internal things that you build through working on improving yourself externally (getting in shape, earning money, updating your wardrobe, etc.) are what’s attractive, not the external thing itself.

      Some things are cheap quick fixes that wear off quickly…”dirty highs” like basing your worth in your new shirt. Till that effect wears off as you get used to the shirt, and now you feel like you’ve lost your mojo and advertising convinces you that shirt isn’t cool anymore and you need the next new shirt to feel attractive again.

      On the flip side some things are long fixes that can stick for life…like dedicating yourself to a goal like getting in shape and achieving that goal and building all the internal stuff like dedication, time management, pushing your limits, self-discipline, etc.

      I fully support guys working on the long fixes, but with the caveat that it should be while ALSO going out and approaching women, VS waiting until you achieve those goals to start.

      I don’t support chasing the short fixes because they expire and the crash will fuck you over, possibly even worse than when you started out. It’s like a poor person winning the lottery (external short fix)…they didn’t build up the internal skills (money management, discipline, etc.) that the entrepreneur who built a business slowly did, so they end up throwing all their lottery money away and ending up poor again.

      The problem with the guys at the Misc is that they look at the surface level and say “I wasn’t getting attention when I was 20% bodyfat, but I do at 18% bodyfat, so 18% bodyfat must be more attractive to women”, instead of looking at the internal level of what obtaining 18% bodyfat did for their mental state, view of themselves, confidence, etc.

      A lot of people get stuck in this thinking because social conditioning is designed to make you chase the newest product and never feel complete, so advertising etc. WANTS you to focus only on the external attributes. They don’t want you to look any deeper, because if people realized that they didn’t need the $75 t-shirt to get laid and instead they could get laid just as much in a $5 t-shirt, the world starts falling apart lol

      Women ping off their environment for how to feel, so marketing is aimed toward them…because they know a lot of guys don’t see any reason to own more than a few pairs of shoes, but they can convince women to drop $300 on a new pair every month till their closet is full and they’re still looking for the next “dirty high”.

      This idea is covered in Fight Club a lot…all the stuff about “working jobs we hate to buy shit we don’t need”, “a duvet is just a blanket”, “I say never be complete”, etc. is trying to get the mass audience to look at their IKEA lifestyle and think “how much of this is really relevant to my worth as a human being?”

      That all said, while improving yourself is good in the newbie stages, when you become advanced you should destroy yourself a little every now and then. Go out dressed like shit with your hair unkempt and do the same thing you always do approaching women. Gain a little weight for a few months and do the same thing you always do approaching women. Tell girls sincerely that you work at Wal-Mart and live with your parents. Tell girls you don’t have a car. etc. etc.

      Do that stuff while still approaching in the same way you’ve taught yourself to do, until you’re getting the same results you got when you had all that good shit going. That’s when you truly become free and internalize “you are enough”. Then you can go back to achieving those things again if you want them, except you’ll be doing it with a healthier intent (chasing 14% bodyfat as a personal challenge/goal, VS chasing it because you think it’ll get you more girls and that you aren’t “enough” at 18% bodyfat).


    • YaReally
      on January 10, 2014 at 10:16 am
      Original Link

      All solid stuff in that vid. Especially the idea that “you will never win”. I think a lot of guys visualize that when they get their million dollars they’ll finally feel “good enough”, but they just haven’t hung around high-value guys who already have a million dollars and see how they don’t feel “good enough” until they have 50 million dollars, etc.

      The more people you go out and meet, the more you realize that everyone is insecure and feels incomplete no matter how good it looks like they have it. It’s very very rare to meet someone who feels complete and secure in themselves regardless of their external attributes.

      This is also why if you go to a private party with super high-value people, you’ll find that because everyone is rich there, everyone’s money becomes irrelevant and the people there judge eachother based on other attributes like who’s the most socially free or intelligent or has the most interesting frame/reality etc. Like if everyone in the world had a Ferrari, you couldn’t really impress anyone with your Ferrari…but when you’re a peasant who dreams of owning a Ferrari and only 10 people in the world can afford them, you think when you get one you’ll finally be able to impress people.

      And then you can take this even further, into hitting on 10s. Legit gorgeous 8+ girls are surrounded by tall good-looking guys with 6-pack abs and Ferraris and tons of money, and those guys are all shoving that stuff in the girl’s face trying to impress her. Because she’s surrounded by that, it becomes meaningless and she looks at other ways to judge the men she meets. So even if you have none of that shit, if you approach her with the same level of confidence as those guys, but you have a strong/interesting frame etc., you’ll be more attractive to her than them because they haven’t cultivated that stuff since they got caught up in the rat race.

      It’s fascinating, but super hard to wrap your head around and fully believe until you’ve seen it in action in the real world around you and been a part of it. Thus our stressing that guys go out and approach regularly…to experience this stuff first-hand.



14 Things No One Will Tell Fat Girls… So I Will

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Scray
on January 8, 2014 at 1:34 pm
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While fatness as a social phenomenon is disgusting — for both sexes — who cares?

[CH: My penis.]

Fatties aren’t even on my radar.

[They sound like they'd be surprised to hear that.]

Why even devote time to the specific problem of fat chicks beyond avoiding them — and any thoughts of them?

[Because fat cheerleaders deliver a caustic, soul destroying message that will increase the total amount of ugliness and unhappiness in the world should women reading their lies start to believe them.]


  • Amy
    on January 8, 2014 at 2:33 pm
    Original Link

    Scray, I think even fat girls know that men prefer women with a low body fat percentage, and they know that no amount of fat-empowerment rhetoric will change that. They see what goes on around them in real life. I think they don’t care, and probably just reduce their expectations accordingly.

    But consider the attractive thin girl who is appearance conscious ONLY to the extent necessary to land a guy. These are the girls who balloon up after marriage and don’t really understand why their husband would mind. For these women… I think a little fat-empowerment backlash, even if it seems cruel, is a positive thing. Think of it as saving some marriages.


    • Scray
      on January 8, 2014 at 4:33 pm
      Original Link

      Those girls balloon up because their dude lets himself go. He stops improving himself and he probably becomes a fat, low-T fuck. If a woman thinks she is with a man who has options, all of this shit takes care of itself. She will keep her ass as tight as her age permits.


      • immoralgables
        on January 8, 2014 at 8:05 pm
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        Man I’m not sure on that one. I have evidence of 3 natural buddies of mine with girls that have put on lbs since the relationship started 3 years (on average) ago.

        I’ve scratched my head about it to.

        It seems that the common denominators in all three are this:

        1) They unconditionally support their girls to lose their weight but in the wrong way. None of the dark shit CH recommended in a past post to lose it.
        2) 2 of them have even tried to workout with their GFs in order to encourage their weight loss but in a way that says “We’re both going to do it!”
        3) Unwillingness to even express that they are one foot out the door.
        4) No checking out other fit chicks or commenting on fit chicks or making fun of fatties around them.
        5) They don’t run any of the darker asshole game that would serve as a catalyst for their girls to lose the lbs.

        I kid you not, these 3 buddies of mine COULD have other options if they wanted to but they’re not dicks to their girls about it OR they don’t know how to encourage the weight loss in an effective manner.

        So, the first half is right (guy with options) but the dude has to actually exercise that reality via game tactics. But then again, these guys are naturals and any of this shit is not for them nor would they want to be assholes about it.


        • Scray
          on January 8, 2014 at 8:14 pm
          Original Link

          That sucks to hear. But I mean….how would those men be dicks by flaunting their game in front of their fat wives? They’d be saving their marriages.

          Yccck….just goes to show that, if you must get married, reach the apex of your abilities first.


          • YaReally
            on January 9, 2014 at 10:18 am
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            ya, like I say, once she knows you can’t leave, she can let herself go and if you complain then YOU’RE the bad guy lol. Even if logically it would be better for her health, happiness, sex life, relationship, and her longevity as a mother for your children…you’re the asshole because you want her to not poison herself with garbage food lol it’s insane.

            Once you sign a legally binding contract that makes it impossible for you to leave without massive consequence, you are actively choosing to give up the one powerful hand you have as a man in negotiations with your girl: the ability to leave her.

            Don’t get married, gentlemen.


        • YaReally
          on January 9, 2014 at 12:12 am
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          “I’ve scratched my head about it to.”

          Very simple: their girls KNOW they won’t leave. If they had told them to lose weight or they’re bailing and/or actually walked out and went out with another (thinner) girl, they’d have tried their damnedest to keep the weight off.

          It’s not just about HAVING options, it’s about the guy being willing to EXERCISE those options. 3 years in, these guys aren’t willing to exercise their options and the girls know it…if he stayed with her when she was 25lbs overweight, he’ll stay when she’s 50lbs overweight and then instead of losing the weight to show him that she even remotely cares about his wants/needs in the relationship, she’ll instead try to get preggers and/or marry him so that he’s further “locked in set” (lol) and she can balloon up to 300lbs safely.

          It’s okay to make someone feel bad if it’s for their own good ultimately. You don’t just hand your kid cookies for dinner every night because he waaaaaants them and you don’t want to make him unhaaaaappy. You say “no fuckin cookies yo, have an apple”. He might put up a fuss but he’ll learn to like apples lol

          Right now I’m the chubbiest I’ve ever been and none of it is muscle lol. But I’ve banged 2 new girls since New Years and one is a solid 8 (hired gun) that wants to hook up again this weekend. I’m finding it difficult to convince myself to bother going to the gym because I’m still getting results…hell I ate a bag of potato chips for breakfast lol

          But if suddenly I couldn’t get laid or only ugly chicks would bang me and the hot girls all exercised their options and were like “no pussy till you lose 20lbs” I’d be hittin the gym daily. Because they don’t exercise those options (and they totally could, I’m in a very pretty rich city right now where a lot of the guys are studly and 6-packed), my brain says “eh fuck it, good enough!”

          Human beings generally only do as much as we need to, unless the attribute is a important/pleasurable to them or relevant to their goals. ie – a guy in an indie band might barely make enough money to get by but he’s amazing on a guitar. A guy who values money might work 100hr weeks but be fat and not have any guitar skill because it’s not important to his goals. A hot chick might be a complete ditzy moron because she doesn’t HAVE to be smart…same time she might go get a degree in rocket science because she values challenging herself. 99% of the guys at the gym are there because they aren’t getting the pussy they want and they’ve been socially conditioned to believe if they lose another 0.4% bodyfat that’s when they’ll finally get the girl, so in their mind hitting the gym is relevant to their goal.

          It’s as hard for the CEO to convince himself he needs to invest time/energy learning to play the guitar, as it is for the hot bimbo who has the world wrapped around her finger to convince herself she needs to be smart, as it is for me with an 8 blowing me to convince myself I need to hit the gym lol

          I’ll probably work out more this year cause I don’t want to be a slobby old guy at the bar and the higher sex-drive would be fun, but it’ll be an uphill battle as long as hot girls keep letting me get away with it, just like your buddies with their fat GFs lol


          • YaReally
            on January 9, 2014 at 10:14 am
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            @yeahokcool

            Ya, I don’t eat a ton of garbage compared to when I was younger, but my portions are too big and contain too many carbs/starch and sex is literally my only exercise all week long. I’ve noticed that I’m pretty sluggish throughout the day. I’ll probably take up some crossfit shit to get overall in shape and build up my cardio, ’cause overall athleticism is going to benefit me more during sex than just lifting weights.

            Looks like it’s New Years Resolution time for YaReally, shit lol



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While fatness as a social phenomenon is disgusting — for both sexes — who cares?

[CH: My penis.]

Fatties aren’t even on my radar.

[They sound like they’d be surprised to hear that.]

Why even devote time to the specific problem of fat chicks beyond avoiding them — and any thoughts of them?

[Because fat cheerleaders deliver a caustic, soul destroying message that will increase the total amount of ugliness and unhappiness in the world should women reading their lies start to believe them.]


  • Amy
    on January 8, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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    Scray, I think even fat girls know that men prefer women with a low body fat percentage, and they know that no amount of fat-empowerment rhetoric will change that. They see what goes on around them in real life. I think they don’t care, and probably just reduce their expectations accordingly.

    But consider the attractive thin girl who is appearance conscious ONLY to the extent necessary to land a guy. These are the girls who balloon up after marriage and don’t really understand why their husband would mind. For these women… I think a little fat-empowerment backlash, even if it seems cruel, is a positive thing. Think of it as saving some marriages.


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 12:12 am
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      “I’ve scratched my head about it to.”

      Very simple: their girls KNOW they won’t leave. If they had told them to lose weight or they’re bailing and/or actually walked out and went out with another (thinner) girl, they’d have tried their damnedest to keep the weight off.

      It’s not just about HAVING options, it’s about the guy being willing to EXERCISE those options. 3 years in, these guys aren’t willing to exercise their options and the girls know it…if he stayed with her when she was 25lbs overweight, he’ll stay when she’s 50lbs overweight and then instead of losing the weight to show him that she even remotely cares about his wants/needs in the relationship, she’ll instead try to get preggers and/or marry him so that he’s further “locked in set” (lol) and she can balloon up to 300lbs safely.

      It’s okay to make someone feel bad if it’s for their own good ultimately. You don’t just hand your kid cookies for dinner every night because he waaaaaants them and you don’t want to make him unhaaaaappy. You say “no fuckin cookies yo, have an apple”. He might put up a fuss but he’ll learn to like apples lol

      Right now I’m the chubbiest I’ve ever been and none of it is muscle lol. But I’ve banged 2 new girls since New Years and one is a solid 8 (hired gun) that wants to hook up again this weekend. I’m finding it difficult to convince myself to bother going to the gym because I’m still getting results…hell I ate a bag of potato chips for breakfast lol

      But if suddenly I couldn’t get laid or only ugly chicks would bang me and the hot girls all exercised their options and were like “no pussy till you lose 20lbs” I’d be hittin the gym daily. Because they don’t exercise those options (and they totally could, I’m in a very pretty rich city right now where a lot of the guys are studly and 6-packed), my brain says “eh fuck it, good enough!”

      Human beings generally only do as much as we need to, unless the attribute is a important/pleasurable to them or relevant to their goals. ie – a guy in an indie band might barely make enough money to get by but he’s amazing on a guitar. A guy who values money might work 100hr weeks but be fat and not have any guitar skill because it’s not important to his goals. A hot chick might be a complete ditzy moron because she doesn’t HAVE to be smart…same time she might go get a degree in rocket science because she values challenging herself. 99% of the guys at the gym are there because they aren’t getting the pussy they want and they’ve been socially conditioned to believe if they lose another 0.4% bodyfat that’s when they’ll finally get the girl, so in their mind hitting the gym is relevant to their goal.

      It’s as hard for the CEO to convince himself he needs to invest time/energy learning to play the guitar, as it is for the hot bimbo who has the world wrapped around her finger to convince herself she needs to be smart, as it is for me with an 8 blowing me to convince myself I need to hit the gym lol

      I’ll probably work out more this year cause I don’t want to be a slobby old guy at the bar and the higher sex-drive would be fun, but it’ll be an uphill battle as long as hot girls keep letting me get away with it, just like your buddies with their fat GFs lol


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 10:14 am
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      @yeahokcool

      Ya, I don’t eat a ton of garbage compared to when I was younger, but my portions are too big and contain too many carbs/starch and sex is literally my only exercise all week long. I’ve noticed that I’m pretty sluggish throughout the day. I’ll probably take up some crossfit shit to get overall in shape and build up my cardio, ’cause overall athleticism is going to benefit me more during sex than just lifting weights.

      Looks like it’s New Years Resolution time for YaReally, shit lol


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 10:18 am
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      ya, like I say, once she knows you can’t leave, she can let herself go and if you complain then YOU’RE the bad guy lol. Even if logically it would be better for her health, happiness, sex life, relationship, and her longevity as a mother for your children…you’re the asshole because you want her to not poison herself with garbage food lol it’s insane.

      Once you sign a legally binding contract that makes it impossible for you to leave without massive consequence, you are actively choosing to give up the one powerful hand you have as a man in negotiations with your girl: the ability to leave her.

      Don’t get married, gentlemen.



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I’ve just started dating a girl who has 20-25 lbs extra weight. I’m not turned on by it, especially in the longer term. Most of the fat is feminine, Butt, hips, medium boobs. But the turn off for me is the stomach.

Its gross, and the more I look at even plump girls with a flatter tummy, I get become envious she didn’t have that flatness. God damn, especially when my girl sits down, rolls of stomach fat pile up. She can be so mushy looking.

I’ll admit, she looks best naked. Standing upright. No clothing pinching anything back, but it can be way better like I said. 20-25 lbs less.

So I often mention to her I work out, swim, bike and now she Is starting to notice SHE is NOT doing any of that. She has admitted by her own mouth, she is not keeping up with me. And I’ve heard her tell me how much she likes me after I’m done plowing her. If shes smart, she’ll start dropping weight, Or I’ll have to have the “Drop the hammer” fat talk. / Creatively Shaming bad behavior

She’s one of those girls unfortunately who loves baking, and eating too much. I appreciate the enthusiasm for being in a kitchen, but to flip out over how many cakes you can bake and eat is…. scary. Famous Chilling words from her mouth after I asked her if she wanted to eat at an event.. “Ohh yeah!, I’ll never turn down food” Ehhhh… riiiight. Alarm bells.



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I’ve just started dating a girl who has 20-25 lbs extra weight. I’m not turned on by it, especially in the longer term. Most of the fat is feminine, Butt, hips, medium boobs. But the turn off for me is the stomach.

Its gross, and the more I look at even plump girls with a flatter tummy, I get become envious she didn’t have that flatness. God damn, especially when my girl sits down, rolls of stomach fat pile up. She can be so mushy looking.

I’ll admit, she looks best naked. Standing upright. No clothing pinching anything back, but it can be way better like I said. 20-25 lbs less.

So I often mention to her I work out, swim, bike and now she Is starting to notice SHE is NOT doing any of that. She has admitted by her own mouth, she is not keeping up with me. And I’ve heard her tell me how much she likes me after I’m done plowing her. If shes smart, she’ll start dropping weight, Or I’ll have to have the “Drop the hammer” fat talk. / Creatively Shaming bad behavior

She’s one of those girls unfortunately who loves baking, and eating too much. I appreciate the enthusiasm for being in a kitchen, but to flip out over how many cakes you can bake and eat is…. scary. Famous Chilling words from her mouth after I asked her if she wanted to eat at an event.. “Ohh yeah!, I’ll never turn down food” Ehhhh… riiiight. Alarm bells.



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Hugh G. Rection
on January 7, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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What’s with the hideous header graphic?


  • Desu
    on January 7, 2014 at 3:24 pm
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    Looks like MS paint, lol


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 5:36 pm
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      srsly. It’s like looking at a 14yo’s MySpace page.

      One of you rich billionaire dudes with a custom suit, plz donate $5 to CH lol:

      http://fiverr.com/categories/graphics-design/web-banner-design-header/#layout=auto&filter=rating&jls_sca357_1_rating=1


      • Pluviophile
        on January 7, 2014 at 5:44 pm
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        How many 14 year old kids do you troll on Myspace?

        Please don’t answer.


      • Jay in DC
        on January 8, 2014 at 12:50 am
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        Personally, one thing I think will be hilarious, is if/when the inflated US dollar finally collapses. The domino effect will be severe, and beyond your imagining. Just yesterday— you were able to make snarky comments on the internet and spend your life chasing pussy. Today, the internet doesn’t exist, that is odd, isn’t it? Well, let us go out and try to close some sets at least.

        Why are all these ni66as roaming the streets? Should I be scared? Not sure. Maybe I’ll just jet back to the crib tonight. Damn… internet still down. Can’t post or watch another Tyler video. I’ll just try and text that chick from last week. Dafuq? My cell service down too? Guess I’m watching a movie tonight.

        Get it goofball? You spend your life outsmarting men but if your bubble pops, men won’t care anymore about your slick talking, and bullshit. They will call you on the carpet and you will fail.

        Your game only works in the current incarnation of the world we know. In some future and worse off time, you go to the back of the line, begging for scraps as it has always been for most of history.


        • YaReally
          on January 8, 2014 at 2:02 am
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          “Your game only works in the current incarnation of the world we know. In some future and worse off time, you go to the back of the line, begging for scraps as it has always been for most of history.”

          lol. I will be busy using my social skills to rally up those “ni66as roaming the streets” so we can come take all your shit. So thank-you in advance for all the hard work you’re doing earning more stuff for us to enjoy when the zombie apocalypse arrives…we salute your effort and I hope you have a backyard pool for the parties we throw. :D


          • YaReally
            on January 8, 2014 at 2:07 am
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            more thoughts because I lol’ed hard when I read your doomsday scenario:

            Think about it this way: is there more of YOU, who will be cushy and comfortable during this inevitable financial apocalypse, or more of US, who will be poor and desperate and angry and have nothing to lose?

            I can offer my fellow angry torch-carrying peasants pussy to help me storm your castle. What can you offer them that will stop them? ;) lol

            Man now I want to go watch Braveheart…


          • YaReally
            on January 8, 2014 at 6:17 am
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            “When has an army like that ever worked in America”

            Feminism? I mean, Obama is already handing young single white guys’ money to single moms lol I don’t see any of you rich billionaire CEOs stopping him. And if you tried to, half of your peers would fight you to prevent you from succeeding because they’ve been socially conditioned by an army that couldn’t even vote until recently.

            http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/11/18/obamacare-is-a-bachelor-tax-that-will-fail/


        • Scray
          on January 8, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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          Get it goofball? You spend your life outsmarting men but if your bubble pops, men won’t care anymore about your slick talking, and bullshit. They will call you on the carpet and you will fail.

          lol ya, because women have only recently become attracted to the behaviors embodied by ‘game.’

          In some future and worse off time, you go to the back of the line, begging for scraps as it has always been for most of history.

          Huh? In ancient societies the men who did well possessed what we would call ‘game.’ Or at the very least they had extremely strong realities. Charisma, and by extension learned charisma, increases fitness — charisma gains you strength in numbers; it’s a form of crowd control.


          • YaReally
            on January 9, 2014 at 12:29 am
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            Charisma leads men. Sure, I may not rally your dad on my side, but I’ll rally up the 200 men around him that don’t meet his standards…cause there’s a lot more of them than there are of men who pass that foxhole test.

            I’m sure in the foxhole his buddy and him will die a super honorable death worthy of the next Saving Private Ryan movie and be super proud of their manliness, but my 200 dudes will be banging their women and looting the corpses as we head toward Jay in DC’s mansion lol

            “Charisma gets you high numbers of FEMALES. We’re no good for physical protection. Lol”

            Women are currency. The entire nightlife industry is built on the notion that “for the chance of getting pussy, men will voluntarily give up their resources (time, money, health, etc)”. That’s why a group of hot girls walk into a Vegas nightclub on a Saturday night free and a group of guys pay a $40 cover.

            Charisma gets women, which means I can pimp those women out to the men following me (it’s the oldest industry in the world, after all) in exchange for their loyalty. Your dad in his foxhole can’t offer them that, and we can take it by force from Jay’s mansion.



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Hugh G. Rection
on January 7, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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What’s with the hideous header graphic?


  • Desu
    on January 7, 2014 at 3:24 pm
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    Looks like MS paint, lol


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 5:36 pm
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      srsly. It’s like looking at a 14yo’s MySpace page.

      One of you rich billionaire dudes with a custom suit, plz donate $5 to CH lol:

      http://fiverr.com/categories/graphics-design/web-banner-design-header/#layout=auto&filter=rating&jls_sca357_1_rating=1


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 11:54 pm
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    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 2:02 am
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      “Your game only works in the current incarnation of the world we know. In some future and worse off time, you go to the back of the line, begging for scraps as it has always been for most of history.”

      lol. I will be busy using my social skills to rally up those “ni66as roaming the streets” so we can come take all your shit. So thank-you in advance for all the hard work you’re doing earning more stuff for us to enjoy when the zombie apocalypse arrives…we salute your effort and I hope you have a backyard pool for the parties we throw. :D


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 2:07 am
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      more thoughts because I lol’ed hard when I read your doomsday scenario:

      Think about it this way: is there more of YOU, who will be cushy and comfortable during this inevitable financial apocalypse, or more of US, who will be poor and desperate and angry and have nothing to lose?

      I can offer my fellow angry torch-carrying peasants pussy to help me storm your castle. What can you offer them that will stop them? ;) lol

      Man now I want to go watch Braveheart…


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 6:17 am
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      “When has an army like that ever worked in America”

      Feminism? I mean, Obama is already handing young single white guys’ money to single moms lol I don’t see any of you rich billionaire CEOs stopping him. And if you tried to, half of your peers would fight you to prevent you from succeeding because they’ve been socially conditioned by an army that couldn’t even vote until recently.

      http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/11/18/obamacare-is-a-bachelor-tax-that-will-fail/


    • YaReally
      on January 9, 2014 at 12:29 am
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      Charisma leads men. Sure, I may not rally your dad on my side, but I’ll rally up the 200 men around him that don’t meet his standards…cause there’s a lot more of them than there are of men who pass that foxhole test.

      I’m sure in the foxhole his buddy and him will die a super honorable death worthy of the next Saving Private Ryan movie and be super proud of their manliness, but my 200 dudes will be banging their women and looting the corpses as we head toward Jay in DC’s mansion lol

      “Charisma gets you high numbers of FEMALES. We’re no good for physical protection. Lol”

      Women are currency. The entire nightlife industry is built on the notion that “for the chance of getting pussy, men will voluntarily give up their resources (time, money, health, etc)”. That’s why a group of hot girls walk into a Vegas nightclub on a Saturday night free and a group of guys pay a $40 cover.

      Charisma gets women, which means I can pimp those women out to the men following me (it’s the oldest industry in the world, after all) in exchange for their loyalty. Your dad in his foxhole can’t offer them that, and we can take it by force from Jay’s mansion.



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YaReally
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I heart Leo, but Putin is sizing Leo up and Leo is wondering how Putin sees him. ie – Leo is concerned with how he’s being perceived by Putin instead of forcing Putin to be concerned with how Leo perceives him, and Putin has no fucks to give about how Leo views him, and is looking at him like he’s deciding Leo’s worth as a man.

In short: Leo is very subtly reacting to Putin. Ergo Putin wins.


  • Nomennovum
    on January 7, 2014 at 7:22 pm
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    Agreed. DiCaprio, like Putin is ramrod straight, but Leo looks a little less comfortable than the Russian leader. DiCaprio — and we — know who has the higher status.

    The women still want to fuck Leo, though. It’s just that everyone is looking at him because he just met big bad Val and they want to see how he’ll do.

    We’re talking degrees of status here and both men have tons to spare. The rest of us are turdlets in comparison. This is an awesome photo.


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 11:48 pm
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      “We’re talking degrees of status here and both men have tons to spare.”

      ya, Leo has probably banged more/hotter chicks (cue the joke about how when Leo looks thru a Victoria Secret catalog he’s picking out his next date), but in terms of overall manly alphaness Putin wins it.

      At the same time, like you said, this is such a minute difference…but people (especially women) notice it instinctively. It really comes down to who’s more “on” by 0.01% that day.

      That’s why the keyboard hockey worry of “well what if two guys had the exact same amount of game but one was tall and rich and good looking huh???” is stupid…because that never happens. There’s ALWAYS one person reacting more to the other person and that can change minute to minute depending on external factors like the environment and internal factors like state. Even with two alphas with game it’ll come down to “who’s in a better/more solo mood that day”…

      One person is always reacting more to the other even if, like in Putin and Leo’s case, it’s a minuscule difference.


      • YaReally
        on January 7, 2014 at 11:50 pm
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        *jockey, and solid not solo. I must still be drunk.



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YaReally
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I heart Leo, but Putin is sizing Leo up and Leo is wondering how Putin sees him. ie – Leo is concerned with how he’s being perceived by Putin instead of forcing Putin to be concerned with how Leo perceives him, and Putin has no fucks to give about how Leo views him, and is looking at him like he’s deciding Leo’s worth as a man.

In short: Leo is very subtly reacting to Putin. Ergo Putin wins.


  • Nomennovum
    on January 7, 2014 at 7:22 pm
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    Agreed. DiCaprio, like Putin is ramrod straight, but Leo looks a little less comfortable than the Russian leader. DiCaprio — and we — know who has the higher status.

    The women still want to fuck Leo, though. It’s just that everyone is looking at him because he just met big bad Val and they want to see how he’ll do.

    We’re talking degrees of status here and both men have tons to spare. The rest of us are turdlets in comparison. This is an awesome photo.


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 11:48 pm
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      “We’re talking degrees of status here and both men have tons to spare.”

      ya, Leo has probably banged more/hotter chicks (cue the joke about how when Leo looks thru a Victoria Secret catalog he’s picking out his next date), but in terms of overall manly alphaness Putin wins it.

      At the same time, like you said, this is such a minute difference…but people (especially women) notice it instinctively. It really comes down to who’s more “on” by 0.01% that day.

      That’s why the keyboard hockey worry of “well what if two guys had the exact same amount of game but one was tall and rich and good looking huh???” is stupid…because that never happens. There’s ALWAYS one person reacting more to the other person and that can change minute to minute depending on external factors like the environment and internal factors like state. Even with two alphas with game it’ll come down to “who’s in a better/more solo mood that day”…

      One person is always reacting more to the other even if, like in Putin and Leo’s case, it’s a minuscule difference.


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 11:50 pm
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      *jockey, and solid not solo. I must still be drunk.



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This isn’t related to the Putin/DiCaprio discussion. It is a girl question.

I was daygaming at the mall a while ago, go this girls number and took some photos with her and me in the photo for social proof. She opened me on facebook we talked for a bit, I tried to get her out but she found excuses and never went out with me.

Today I was fucking around on Facebook and she opens me saying, “like my photo of me getting kissed?”, its a photo of her sitting at her computer while some random dude kisses her on the cheek.

I didn’t reply (seems like an attention whore to me — I don’t like enabling attention whores).

Was this the correct move, or should I have said something non-commital like, “cool”? The silence could be interpreted like butthurtedness?


  • Nomennovum
    on January 7, 2014 at 7:56 pm
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    Silence can seldom be interpreted as butthurtedness. Saying “cool” is lame. You’ve been blown off. I’d forget her.

    Or you could respond, “lol.” That’ll get her spinning.


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 11:39 pm
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      I second “lol”. Send it, just lol and nothing else not even punctuation. Then radio silence for a week no matter what she says in response to your lol.


      • Arbiter
        on January 8, 2014 at 3:23 am
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        I don’t like “lol”. It shows that he wants to get back at her. That shows she got to him. He should have so much to do in his life and so many women to go out with that he doesn’t have time on his hands to answer every single question that comes along.

        She is asking him a question that has nothing to do with him, a question that is only about her life. Whatever he answers he would be reacting instead of acting. He did the right thing by not replying.


        • Nomennovum
          on January 8, 2014 at 5:11 am
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          “It shows that he wants to get back at her.”

          That’s the thing with “lol”: It is ambiguous. She will twist herself into knots trying to figure out what it means … but what it *doesn’t* mean is butthurtedness. And he *does* want her, don’t forget, so this response is good chickbait.

          As I said, though. I wouldn’t answer the scrunt or communicate with her ever again, because I wouldn’t want to game such a nasty piece of work (short of an unasked-for and abject apology), but that’s me.

          Also, she is not really exhibiting solipsism or attention-whoring here. She is mega-shit testing him by taunting him. His only hope is that she is trying to make him jealous, but I am not so sure about that. What I *am* sure about is that the bitch would not be worth it for me regardless of her motivations.


          • YaReally
            on January 8, 2014 at 6:10 am
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            “That’s the thing with “lol”: It is ambiguous. She will twist herself into knots trying to figure out what it means”

            “lol” will mean to her whatever she hopes it DOESN’T mean.

            If she wants him to be jealous, she’ll think the “lol” is him not giving a fuck and just laughing at her silly attempt to make him jealous. If she wants him to chase her, she’ll think the “lol” is him refusing to chase her. If she wants him to qualify himself, she’ll think the “lol” is him refusing to qualify himself. If she wants him to like her, she’ll think the “lol” means he’s mad at her or done with her shit. If she thinks her test is super sneaky, she’ll think the “lol” is him knowing exactly what she’s up to and calling her out on it.

            That’s why you add radio silence for a week. She responds with something like “?”, “what does that mean?”, or “are you mad?” and instead of a response she gets a week to wonder wtf the “lol” meant and whether he’s still into her or mad at her or what.

            Not responding at all is alright, but it would be passing up an opportunity to build attraction/drama and send her on an emotional rollercoaster.

            Like I’ve said before, with shit-tests, you CAN respond to them by just staring at the girl and not saying anything, and that won’t kill attraction, it may even build it slightly…but being able to say/do something that fucks with her head obliterating her shit-test will build a ton more attraction.

            If you ask her, say, “Do you cook?” and she goes “No, I hate cooking!”, you CAN just stare at her in silence and hopefully if you have value she might qualify herself with a “…well, I mean, sometimes I like to.” You can also say something like “Oh, that’s too bad, I like a girl who knows how to cook.”, and that’ll force her to qualify herself, and build a bit of attraction.

            …or you can, before she finishes the word “hate”, turn and walk away without saying a word and go talk to a hotter girl in view of her.

            They’re all valid ways of handling the situation, but one of those ways will mind-fuck her hamster and build a ton more attraction. Silence is alright, it’s just not optimal.



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This isn’t related to the Putin/DiCaprio discussion. It is a girl question.

I was daygaming at the mall a while ago, go this girls number and took some photos with her and me in the photo for social proof. She opened me on facebook we talked for a bit, I tried to get her out but she found excuses and never went out with me.

Today I was fucking around on Facebook and she opens me saying, “like my photo of me getting kissed?”, its a photo of her sitting at her computer while some random dude kisses her on the cheek.

I didn’t reply (seems like an attention whore to me — I don’t like enabling attention whores).

Was this the correct move, or should I have said something non-commital like, “cool”? The silence could be interpreted like butthurtedness?


  • Nomennovum
    on January 7, 2014 at 7:56 pm
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    Silence can seldom be interpreted as butthurtedness. Saying “cool” is lame. You’ve been blown off. I’d forget her.

    Or you could respond, “lol.” That’ll get her spinning.


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 11:39 pm
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      I second “lol”. Send it, just lol and nothing else not even punctuation. Then radio silence for a week no matter what she says in response to your lol.


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 6:10 am
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      “That’s the thing with “lol”: It is ambiguous. She will twist herself into knots trying to figure out what it means”

      “lol” will mean to her whatever she hopes it DOESN’T mean.

      If she wants him to be jealous, she’ll think the “lol” is him not giving a fuck and just laughing at her silly attempt to make him jealous. If she wants him to chase her, she’ll think the “lol” is him refusing to chase her. If she wants him to qualify himself, she’ll think the “lol” is him refusing to qualify himself. If she wants him to like her, she’ll think the “lol” means he’s mad at her or done with her shit. If she thinks her test is super sneaky, she’ll think the “lol” is him knowing exactly what she’s up to and calling her out on it.

      That’s why you add radio silence for a week. She responds with something like “?”, “what does that mean?”, or “are you mad?” and instead of a response she gets a week to wonder wtf the “lol” meant and whether he’s still into her or mad at her or what.

      Not responding at all is alright, but it would be passing up an opportunity to build attraction/drama and send her on an emotional rollercoaster.

      Like I’ve said before, with shit-tests, you CAN respond to them by just staring at the girl and not saying anything, and that won’t kill attraction, it may even build it slightly…but being able to say/do something that fucks with her head obliterating her shit-test will build a ton more attraction.

      If you ask her, say, “Do you cook?” and she goes “No, I hate cooking!”, you CAN just stare at her in silence and hopefully if you have value she might qualify herself with a “…well, I mean, sometimes I like to.” You can also say something like “Oh, that’s too bad, I like a girl who knows how to cook.”, and that’ll force her to qualify herself, and build a bit of attraction.

      …or you can, before she finishes the word “hate”, turn and walk away without saying a word and go talk to a hotter girl in view of her.

      They’re all valid ways of handling the situation, but one of those ways will mind-fuck her hamster and build a ton more attraction. Silence is alright, it’s just not optimal.



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on January 6, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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hahaha. there are so many guys out there like this. incredible, but true.


  • Amy
    on January 6, 2014 at 2:45 pm
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    Yes, but this guy is extreme. Stalker potential.


    • everybodyhatesscott
      on January 6, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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      Women are clueless to which men are actually dangerous. The guys clueless but if she would have responded “Thanks but I’m not interested” after the third message, the whole thing probably could have been avoided.


      • Amy
        on January 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm
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        Not necessarily. That might be how *you* would react, but you wouldn’t act like this guy in the first place. I’ve been on the receiving end of this kind of guy and being direct doesn’t work the way you’d think it would.


        • tang3zang
          on January 6, 2014 at 4:10 pm
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          But how would you know if you never even try to tell him?


          • YaReally
            on January 6, 2014 at 11:48 pm
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            “To them it’s an opener for more contact.”

            Yep. It’s like I told walawala about his girl he’s trying to Soft Next: “any news is good news”. ANY reaction is better than no reaction and guys like this will take it as a sign that there’s a chance.

            I always talk to girls about other guys and they send/show me similar screenshots to this from txt convos with Orbiter losers chasing them. The girl will send the guy a one-word reply every 10 messages and that word is just like “huh?” and the guy launches into another wave of txts thinking he’s making progress.

            On the one hand the girl is to blame for not snuffing it out right away and often accepting the guy’s gifts/favors when they’re useful, but on the other hand the guy is more to blame for 1) offering her a bunch of free shit in the first place, and 2) not calibrating to the girl not being interested and backing off her instead of making it extremely difficult/uncomfortable for her to say go away.

            I don’t blame girls as much for taking advantage of it because they’re just reacting to what he’s throwing out. If some fat chick offered me a free steak dinner or a vacation to Paris all expenses paid, I would probably take it lol

            Also guys like this are why I post. The more men who learn about the red pill and learn game early in life or teach their sons early in life, the better. Imagine if his kid was your SON, because you weren’t aware of the red pill and you helped socially condition him into this behavior like the rest of the world will try to. Scary shit.



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on January 6, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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hahaha. there are so many guys out there like this. incredible, but true.


  • Amy
    on January 6, 2014 at 2:45 pm
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    Yes, but this guy is extreme. Stalker potential.


    • YaReally
      on January 6, 2014 at 11:48 pm
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      “To them it’s an opener for more contact.”

      Yep. It’s like I told walawala about his girl he’s trying to Soft Next: “any news is good news”. ANY reaction is better than no reaction and guys like this will take it as a sign that there’s a chance.

      I always talk to girls about other guys and they send/show me similar screenshots to this from txt convos with Orbiter losers chasing them. The girl will send the guy a one-word reply every 10 messages and that word is just like “huh?” and the guy launches into another wave of txts thinking he’s making progress.

      On the one hand the girl is to blame for not snuffing it out right away and often accepting the guy’s gifts/favors when they’re useful, but on the other hand the guy is more to blame for 1) offering her a bunch of free shit in the first place, and 2) not calibrating to the girl not being interested and backing off her instead of making it extremely difficult/uncomfortable for her to say go away.

      I don’t blame girls as much for taking advantage of it because they’re just reacting to what he’s throwing out. If some fat chick offered me a free steak dinner or a vacation to Paris all expenses paid, I would probably take it lol

      Also guys like this are why I post. The more men who learn about the red pill and learn game early in life or teach their sons early in life, the better. Imagine if his kid was your SON, because you weren’t aware of the red pill and you helped socially condition him into this behavior like the rest of the world will try to. Scary shit.



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on January 6, 2014 at 2:46 pm
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I kept scrolling, thinking it had to be over soon. It didn’t.

I almost felt sympathy for a chick that has to endure that persistent dripping. Almost. It’s her own fault for not nuking the guy after month one.


  • Amy
    on January 6, 2014 at 3:06 pm
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    Nuking how? With this type of guy, telling him flat out that you’re not interested doesn’t work. He wants to know why not, etc. If you tell him you have a boyfriend he’ll still hit you up periodically to see if you’re available.

    She’d have to block him. Even that’s tricky if you see him out or have mutual friends. This guy’s creep quotient is so high that I personally wouldn’t want to tick him off if there was a possibility I might see him offline somewhere.


    • Starets
      on January 6, 2014 at 10:09 pm
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      The point is, she never even tried to stop it, until the end.

      It does look like she was letting it carry on for the lulz, letting the poor halfwit make a spectacle of himself.

      Its the sexual market-place equivalent of making fun of Downs Syndrome kids, and is something that we have all seen chicks do.


      • Amy
        on January 6, 2014 at 11:19 pm
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        Jesus wept. The Aspergers is strong in this thread. No, the point is that sometimes ignoring the guy IS the girl trying to stop it. Because we have learned that being DIRECT doesn’t work. Do you really think this dude is going to respond to any normal social cue? These guys are NOT like normal men and they don’t respond normally. I’d bet money he doesn’t even stop messaging her now.

        Since I’m guessing most of you have less experience with these guys than I do, let me give you an overview of what “direct” can get you:

        Girl: Thanks but I’m not interested.
        Creep: Why not? Do you even remember meeting me? Can’t we just meet up for a drink? What, u don’t like short guys? lol

        (later that day)

        Creep: What no response? Lol ur cold.

        (later)

        Creep: Hows ur day going princess?

        Girl: Thanks but I have a boyfriend.
        Creep: Ok. We could be friends tho. What are u up to this weekend? X is playing at Y bar, u going?

        (week later)

        Creep: Hey Amy just checking to see what ur up to. Still have a bf?? (rinse and repeat every few days)

        Girl: Why do you keep texting me? I told you I’m not interested/IHAB.
        Creep: Sorry if I bothered u. Are u mad? Just thought we could hang out as friends. How’s your day going?

        (two days later)

        Creep: Hey Amy whats up. Are u still mad?

        These are real examples. Can you see why ignoring these guys and hoping they just go away seems like a good option? ANY response at all, even direct rejection, ends up encouraging them. I said before this chick shouldn’t have played games with the emojis later on, it was mocking and it egged him on. Otherwise what she did isn’t as mean as you think. It’s a legitimate strategy to get rid of bugs.


        • Matthew King
          on January 7, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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          Since I’m guessing most of you have less experience with [stalkers] than I do…

          Guess again.


          • YaReally
            on January 8, 2014 at 12:00 am
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            Greg doesn’t count, Matt.


    • Matthew King
      on January 7, 2014 at 11:54 am
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      Nuking how? With this type of guy, telling him flat out that you’re not interested doesn’t work. He wants to know why not, etc. If you tell him you have a boyfriend he’ll still hit you up periodically to see if you’re available.

      That you are so baffled is yet more evidence women have no business determining who is suitable for their own courtship.

      You don’t know how to take care of a fidgety puppy at arms length on social media? Then what possible use could you be when up-close-and-personal with a man who knows just what buttons to push?

      That said, the FB exchange is fishy. It looks like a deliberate routine. Note the verbiage on the bottom, which indicates that he was blocked and therefore the publication must have come from his own account.

      Savors of this fellow, “Mike Partlow,” the most sublime troll in the history of mankind, even before social media:

      http://www.dontevenreply.com/


      • Amy
        on January 7, 2014 at 1:21 pm
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        Lol, Matt. Yes, I do know how to “take care of a fidgety puppy at arms length on social media.” I IGNORE him. As opposed to “nuking” him with an insulting rejection like everyone is recommending… which he will then take as a sign to keep going. Or better yet, it provoke him into stalking me on FB, showing up at places I go to and doing drive-bys past my apartment. Yea, it happens.

        I’m glad YaReally showed up, I knew he would get it bc he has female friends. The bottom line is that there are weirdos out there that don’t respond to the same social cues the rest of you would! Ignoring them is often the best way.


        • Matthew King
          on January 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm
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          Kate was closer to the mark when she said, “I just think he’s kind of harmless and needs a little help.”

          Whereas you, with an imaginary assist from YaReally, think an annoying pest can easily become desperate and dangerous.

          What you are missing is your own role in this perpetuating the drama. The idea that you can use a stalker’s attention to flatter yourself among friends elevates your apparent desirability and prevents you from handling him effectively or kindly. The behavior you praise in YaReally is a beta-orbiter’s/bitchboy’s attempt to inflate a girl’s ego by laughing at the kid with you.

          “The bottom line is that” there are not all that many weirdos out there, but you flatter yourself to imagine you are hot enough to inspire a man to act abnormally.

          State’s evidence “A”: You cannot even detect the high probability that the exchange is a goof on the girl.

          Matt


          • YaReally
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            @Matt

            “The behavior you praise in YaReally is a beta-orbiter’s/bitchboy’s attempt to inflate a girl’s ego by laughing at the kid with you.”

            You’re the one trying to fuck the girls in CH’s comment section, not me. And your attempts at it look a lot to me like this kid’s attempts look to everyone lol shit is painful to read.

            Hang out with legit hot girls and you’ll get to see what kind of bullshit creepers they have to deal with. Like Amy says it’s not the equivalent of you getting attention from a hot girl, it’s the equivalent of a relentless fat slobby man-jaw chasing you around refusing to give up or take no for an answer. It can escalate to the point where her only options are filing a restraining order which feels like overkill and a hassle, or seriously obliterate him with a brutal ream-out (which might not even work) where she’s forced to feel like a shitty person…meanwhile she doesn’t WANT to have to do that and didn’t ask for it, she was forced into it by a chode with no calibration and a scarcity-based obsession with her.

            Now if he’s some total random on like, Twitter, and he doesn’t know your real name or have any pics of you, sure, blocking is probably enough. But if the girl gave him her phone number or Facebook under the mistaken first impression that he was normal, or her OKCupid profile (where she works, friends list etc) info is true etc., ignoring the guy and hoping he goes away is probably the best option…and even then as CH shows with this guy and Amy has explained with the “do you still have a boyfriend?” types, that can take months or even YEARS.

            The key is that she never asked for any of this. She gave him a chance because at one point he seemed normal and maybe even attractive, and then she ended up duped into this annoying drama…it’s even worse for a super hot chick who’s single and actively looking for a boyfriend because she’s forced to give out her contact info to potential suitors and risk them turning out to be this.



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on January 6, 2014 at 2:46 pm
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I kept scrolling, thinking it had to be over soon. It didn’t.

I almost felt sympathy for a chick that has to endure that persistent dripping. Almost. It’s her own fault for not nuking the guy after month one.


  • Amy
    on January 6, 2014 at 3:06 pm
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    Nuking how? With this type of guy, telling him flat out that you’re not interested doesn’t work. He wants to know why not, etc. If you tell him you have a boyfriend he’ll still hit you up periodically to see if you’re available.

    She’d have to block him. Even that’s tricky if you see him out or have mutual friends. This guy’s creep quotient is so high that I personally wouldn’t want to tick him off if there was a possibility I might see him offline somewhere.


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 12:00 am
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      Greg doesn’t count, Matt.


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 12:17 am
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      @Matt

      “The behavior you praise in YaReally is a beta-orbiter’s/bitchboy’s attempt to inflate a girl’s ego by laughing at the kid with you.”

      You’re the one trying to fuck the girls in CH’s comment section, not me. And your attempts at it look a lot to me like this kid’s attempts look to everyone lol shit is painful to read.

      Hang out with legit hot girls and you’ll get to see what kind of bullshit creepers they have to deal with. Like Amy says it’s not the equivalent of you getting attention from a hot girl, it’s the equivalent of a relentless fat slobby man-jaw chasing you around refusing to give up or take no for an answer. It can escalate to the point where her only options are filing a restraining order which feels like overkill and a hassle, or seriously obliterate him with a brutal ream-out (which might not even work) where she’s forced to feel like a shitty person…meanwhile she doesn’t WANT to have to do that and didn’t ask for it, she was forced into it by a chode with no calibration and a scarcity-based obsession with her.

      Now if he’s some total random on like, Twitter, and he doesn’t know your real name or have any pics of you, sure, blocking is probably enough. But if the girl gave him her phone number or Facebook under the mistaken first impression that he was normal, or her OKCupid profile (where she works, friends list etc) info is true etc., ignoring the guy and hoping he goes away is probably the best option…and even then as CH shows with this guy and Amy has explained with the “do you still have a boyfriend?” types, that can take months or even YEARS.

      The key is that she never asked for any of this. She gave him a chance because at one point he seemed normal and maybe even attractive, and then she ended up duped into this annoying drama…it’s even worse for a super hot chick who’s single and actively looking for a boyfriend because she’s forced to give out her contact info to potential suitors and risk them turning out to be this.



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on January 6, 2014 at 4:21 pm
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i gotta admit tho that is kinda fun to burn a female out for the hell of it. its an interesting experiment in aggressive behavior and pushing your limits, which BTW is a direct result of watching lesbians operate.

you would be very surprised how far you can go, and on some level i think Amy is right when she said :

“She’d have to block him. Even that’s tricky if you see him out or have mutual friends. This guy’s creep quotient is so high that I personally wouldn’t want to tick him off if there was a possibility I might see him offline somewhere.”

Lesbians understand the social shaming structure and I think take serious advantage of it to burn out the objects of their desire. you can get away with a ton, and getting a real baseline helps knowing exactly how strong you can go in. a value in learning how to calibrate properly.


  • YaReally
    on January 8, 2014 at 12:26 am
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    Met a hot little lezzie in a straight nightclub (check my archives, I’ve written about her before) who was more aggressive than most guys I’ve met. It was awesome to watch…she understood that 1) she would have to battle against the straight/curious girls’ ASD so she’d have an uphill battle/challenge there so she had to be more aggressive but also that 2) most chicks are horny in general and/or curious about hooking up with a girl, so that fueled her relentless macking, cause she knew that maybe some of the girls would run off but that she’ll find a handful who succumb and let her fuck them.

    It was very cool to see, she’d pin straight-girls in mixed sets up against the wall and try to make out with them, knowing that the guys in the mixed set would cheer it on etc. Her understanding of game/attraction was super solid.



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on January 6, 2014 at 4:21 pm
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i gotta admit tho that is kinda fun to burn a female out for the hell of it. its an interesting experiment in aggressive behavior and pushing your limits, which BTW is a direct result of watching lesbians operate.

you would be very surprised how far you can go, and on some level i think Amy is right when she said :

“She’d have to block him. Even that’s tricky if you see him out or have mutual friends. This guy’s creep quotient is so high that I personally wouldn’t want to tick him off if there was a possibility I might see him offline somewhere.”

Lesbians understand the social shaming structure and I think take serious advantage of it to burn out the objects of their desire. you can get away with a ton, and getting a real baseline helps knowing exactly how strong you can go in. a value in learning how to calibrate properly.


  • YaReally
    on January 8, 2014 at 12:26 am
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    Met a hot little lezzie in a straight nightclub (check my archives, I’ve written about her before) who was more aggressive than most guys I’ve met. It was awesome to watch…she understood that 1) she would have to battle against the straight/curious girls’ ASD so she’d have an uphill battle/challenge there so she had to be more aggressive but also that 2) most chicks are horny in general and/or curious about hooking up with a girl, so that fueled her relentless macking, cause she knew that maybe some of the girls would run off but that she’ll find a handful who succumb and let her fuck them.

    It was very cool to see, she’d pin straight-girls in mixed sets up against the wall and try to make out with them, knowing that the guys in the mixed set would cheer it on etc. Her understanding of game/attraction was super solid.



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A woman, if asked, will always say she wants a man “who respects her need to take it slow”, but in reality, where her words meet the unstoppable force of her tingles, a chivalrous gentleman’s pose is the equivalent of downselling

So true. In mid-December I started talking to a girl who took the same train as me. I had given her glances before we stepped onboard, she did the same, and then I came up with an excuse to talk when we were sitting on opposite sides of the isle.

I got her number and email address, and invited her over to my place next week – by amazing luck, we lived very close to each other. I never had it that easy geographically before.

When we were at my place we were going to watch a movie. Wise from manosphere participation I put my arm around her as soon as we sat down in the couch. There is another touch I like to add, putting a blanket over both your laps, which kind of brings you together and makes it natural to put your arm around her. Then I kissed her hair. She was a bit surprised, but my timing with her was right. But in my pre-alpha days I believe I wouldn’t have made that approach. I might not even have talked to her in the first place, even though she had given me tell-tale glances.

Part of it is building a solid foundation, through weightlifting, a stable job, etc. Part of it is creating opportunity and more opportunity – it wasn’t luck that I met this girl or any other, it was part of an effort to get out there instead of staying at home. (Aside from “just be yourself” I also hate the “You’ll find someone when you least expect it” phrase women use.) And part of it is knowing what to do and say in a relaxed manner. None of it is chivalry the way betas understand chivalry – saying “Look at me, I’m chivalrous! And I’ll help you with anything you ask for!”


  • Tilikum
    on January 6, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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    “in my pre-alpha days”

    turns out that your still in em. because er…….i figured sunglasses kid was you. ya know, because of all your explaining.


    • Arbiter
      on January 7, 2014 at 11:44 am
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      Ah, little Tilikum trolling again, totally expected. Are you still butt-hurt, buddy? Poor you.


      • Tilikum
        on January 7, 2014 at 3:33 pm
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        christ, stop explaining shit and responding. you keep failing the tests and reinforcing my points for me. or not i don’t care.

        getting a gamma to prove it is all fun to me either way.

        getting bored though.


        • YaReally
          on January 8, 2014 at 12:28 am
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          “getting bored though.”

          So leave. It’s not like you contribute anything positive anyway.

          …but you won’t, of course lol


  • Steve Johnson
    on January 6, 2014 at 5:59 pm
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    She accepted an invite to go to your apartment and watch a movie.

    Congrats on immediately putting your arm around her but she was DTF.

    Baby steps I guess – we’ve all been there.

    I can’t believe how much pussy was being thrown at me in life that I was oblivious to.


    • anonYmous
      on January 6, 2014 at 10:30 pm
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      This is true. In the past I’ve had women tell me, “you know all you had to do is ask me to fuck.” Or, “we didnt need to watch this movie or go on a date I wanted to goto bed with you right away”. I often wonder if women have some class, but maybe not so much. I think they are all beside themselves wondering what they have to do to get us to fuck them. Heh. Like its some huge sisyphean undertaking.


      • YaReally
        on January 6, 2014 at 11:15 pm
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        One of the biggest revelations for guys swallowing the red pill is the reality that girls LIKE sex. And try WANT sex and actively try to SEEK sex. It’s not some reward they “let” us have…she doesn’t want to just watch the movie and not make out and not get laid anymore than you do…that said, you still have to work around her ASD/LMR smoothly instead of just opening your door naked lol although even that could work.

        When you legitimately view banging a girl as YOU doing HER a favor and see her as being the one who gets more out of “getting to” sleep with you, that’s when you know you’ve internalized high-value thinking.


        • Amy
          on January 7, 2014 at 8:36 am
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          Yareally is right. That’s why it was a good sign she’s going right over to your place on the first “date” instead of meeting you out somewhere. Girls with a strict no-sex-on-first-date rule won’t do that. Not because we’re afraid you’re going to make us do something we don’t want to do, but because the temptation to do something we DO want to do will be too great.


          • YaReally
            on January 8, 2014 at 12:33 am
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            “Not because we’re afraid you’re going to make us do something we don’t want to do, but because the temptation to do something we DO want to do will be too great.”

            Every guy learning game needs to read, ubderstand, and fully internalize this. Perfectly put.

            This is what drives behaviors like mother hens dragging girls off to the bathroom…they see their friend getting too attracted too fast and they know she’ll be too tempted to do something she wants to do but for whatever reason (boyfriend, not wanting to be a slut, etc) is trying not to do, so they forcibly drag her off, sometimes against her wishes in the moment, so her buying temperature can settle back down and she can regain her composure. That’s why often when they come back from the bathroom the girl you had super attracted now acts like an ice queen to you, because she’s trying to regain the upper hand now that she has her composure back.

            It’s annoying but completely logical. Women know that their emotions can overpower their logic, but they’ve created safe-guards to try to prevent that. PUA is about disarming those safe-guards so that she can do something she WANTS to do.


        • Arbiter
          on January 7, 2014 at 12:08 pm
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          @anonYmous, in that case the girls you meet are more outspoken than the ones I find! Even when I go to bed with a girl the first night, she rarely hints at something like that.

          Although now that I’m writing, I remember the girl who told me when in our date she decided to sleep with me. We had been sitting in my couch, and I put a blanket over her lap because she might be cold, and she was touched by that gesture. (That’s when I started to include the blanket thing. You never know.)

          Another girl told me she decided to start dating me after I had told her, in a friendly but determined voice, to let me finish talking on our first date. She loved to joke and insert goofy comments to everything, and her great looks probably meant most guys let her. But I was trying to explain something philosophical that I really cared about, so I told her to wait and went on. That’s why she agreed to a second date and sex.

          @YaReally: I find that girl have different sex drives. Some have high sex drives, and they are the ones you want to find. Usually they have a happy and warm demeanor. Some have an average sex drive, and for some (usually cautious, pessimistic types) it’s low. I have met all kinds.

          One thing I find: those with the higher sex drive have an easier time having orgasms. Those with the lower sex drives have to work hard for an orgasm, if they can get one at all. There are exceptions to this, but it seems true in most cases. I definitely believe that the ability to have an orgasm is affected by their attitude and personality.


          • YaReally
            on January 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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            @Arbiter
            “in that case the girls you meet are more outspoken than the ones I find”

            A lot of it comes from the frame you set and how comfortable/casual she feels you are about sex. Like a lot of the girls I’ve been with who talk sex with me don’t do that with other guys. Their friends, guys and girls, think they’re super innocent shy flowers, but it’s just that those people haven’t created an environment where she feels like she won’t be judged for talking about sex.

            I’m not saying there aren’t different sex drive levels in girls ’cause obviously there are, but I would put it like: a blue pill AFC guy experiences girls as a 90:10 ratio of outspoken/sexual/horny/high-drive/slutty girls to innocent/shy/low-drive/good-girls…a guy who has game but who isn’t really sexually aggressive (which is how your game sounds, with inviting her over for a movie and sitting on the couch and putting a blanket on her and such), like the cool high-value guy who’s still kind of gentlemanly like George Clooney or Brad Pitt experiences like a 50:50 ratio. And a guy who knows game but who’s also unapologetically sexual right from the word “hello” like Russell Brand or Robbie Williams experiences a 90:10 ratio.

            I didn’t view it this way myself until I started upping the sexuality of my game and saw first-hand what was going on, seeing how girls would act around me VS their social circles or other guys they were dating or even their boyfriends/husbands etc.

            This is why I make fun of the madonna/whore complex guys, because a lot of them simply haven’t gone far enough to the other side to even comprehend that most of the girls they think are madonnas are simply girls who don’t view them as the kind of guy they can share their whore side with. That doesn’t mean those guys are shitty people or anything, it just means they haven’t pushed their game as far into highly sexual territory as they could.


          • YaReally
            on January 7, 2014 at 5:43 pm
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            Greg and Matt’s replies to you being prime examples of my point lol Thanks for the demo of the 90:10 category, gentlemen.


          • YaReally
            on January 7, 2014 at 5:47 pm
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            ah shit:

            “a blue pill AFC guy experiences girls as a 90:10 ratio of outspoken/sexual/horny/high-drive/slutty girls to innocent/shy/low-drive/good-girls…”

            “Thanks for the demo of the 90:10 category”

            whoops lol. Both of those were meant to be 10:90, aka slutty girls are just the drunk bar whores that “any guy can get”, and the rest of girls, especially in EE or Asia, are all innocent madonna virgins who don’t think about sex. Sorry, I was up late, it’s been a good New Year so far lol


          • YaReally
            on January 8, 2014 at 12:56 am
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            @Arbiter

            “@YaReally: Well, after we have had sex, I certainly talk sex with them.”

            Right, but even then you’re getting the “how I act with a guy I’ve already had sex with persona, which is closer to her Freudian id than the “how I act with a guy I think will judge me for wanting sex”, but still not the “how I act with a guy who makes me comfortable talking about sex in the first 5 minutes we’ve met” self.

            That’s why the guy above had girls tell him “you could’ve just asked”, because he wasn’t in that category where they’d tell him flat out that they want to fuck even tho he learned after the fact (once they were eventually comfortable enough to display that side of them to him) that they were “slutty”. At the time, when he wasn’t privvy to that knowledge because he didn’t make them comfortable enough to share it, he viewed them as not the type of girl you could just say “hey wanna fuck?” to.

            I’m not talking shit about your game/style or anything, I’m just saying when you invite a girl over you actually sit on the couch and out a blanket on her to escalate during a movie…I used to do that too, and it works just fine, but these days, now that I’ve upped how sexual my interactions with girls are right from “hello”, when they come over I don’t even have a movie or blanket setup because I pin them against the wall at my doorway, makeout, and carry them to the bedroom a few minutes later.

            There’s another level you can get to past the Clooney/Pitt style game, but 1) it’s totally not necessary, and 2) it doesn’t mean your game sucks or anything just that Russell Brand and George Clooney experience the same girl differently based on their vibe/sexuality.

            ““AFC”, do I detect a SoSuave reader?”

            lol no. Tho I skim it for entertainment now and then. AFC is from the old PUA days when there was basically only one board for pickup discussion (fastseduction). SoSuave is like game-lite, for guys who are scared to go all the way into pickup and want to retain their blue pill conditioning of not being one of those dirty stinky “PUA”s. The guys there will never get very good because they’re still clinging to the social conditioning of trying to be Don Juan or James Bond. rooshV forum has the same problem but the guys there are more willing to explore the extreme/darker sides of pickup. Part of why I post here is that CH has a no-holds-barred “whatever works” attitude that’s far more conducive to evolving game as an art-form/knowledge-base.

            SoSuave is like the safety scissors version of PUA…still able to cut better than using your bare hands but they’re nowhere near as skilled or efficient as they could be.


          • YaReally
            on January 8, 2014 at 1:16 am
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            “Several readers then posted about how those girls were all sluts who probably slept with every guy they visited. He wrote, no, they were decent, academic girls, many of them said they had only slept with one or two guys before. He just had good game and he had figured out a routine. But of course they wouldn’t believe that – it would mean he was better than they. So they had to find the explanation for his success rate elsewhere, and found it in “Women Are Sluts (if they sleep with other guys but not with me)”.”

            Ya this is exactly what I’m talking about. Those guys can’t get good because their ego/conditioning is too invested. It’s why people think I must only get drunk bar sluts that “anyone can bang” and can’t wrap their heads around the fact that despite my preference for bars I’ve pulled high-quality sober tail in day-time environs that they couldn’t even get close to. So they have to rationalize that the girls must be fucked up, clinging to their social conditioning and belief in the Madonna/whore complex. Safety scissors version of game.

            “It is all too common in the “manosphere” that the losers hate the doers.”

            Yep. In the old days of pickup when I started the environment on fastseduction was different. It was a golden time because we all KNEW that none of us knew shit about how attraction works…that’s how we FOUND the place, by admitting we didn’t know shit and googling “how do I get a girlfriend?” So any theories proposed were responded to with “go out and try it 20 times and tell us your results, then we’ll all go out and try it 20 times and compare notes and figure out what the commonalities are in the successful results and tweak it and then all try it 20 more times”. There wasn’t much ego involved because there was nothing to be an “expert” in yet since the analysis of attraction/game was just starting.

            Now EVERY dude who reads a few game articles or forums is a fucking expert who considers himself knowledgable enough to dish out advice to other people about how shit works, even tho they’ve never actually gone out and applied it as seen/experienced it first-hand. They just get into dick-waving sword fights over who’s theory is more likely and that’s where you get guys like Matt King who think you don’t have to actually go out and get laid to have a valid opinion on game.

            When I started out I was out 3-6 nights a week, 8pm-2am, solo and often sober, approaching 10-20 girls a night, dragging my ass into work exhausted the next day, for years, experimenting and comparing notes. And most of the other guys were doing that too.

            These days newbies replace going out with reading game blogs and waxing theory in comment sections and arguing over how “those girls must be sluts” because they don’t go out and push themselves and their game into areas where they can even relate to some of the shit I explain. They’ve become spectators because there’s so much content available to spectate now. In the old days there was nothing to spectate so we had to go out and experience it first-hand.


  • YaReally
    on January 6, 2014 at 11:09 pm
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    @Arbiter

    Ignore these guys, you did good. Props on pushing your comfort zone, that’s where we grow the most.


    • MercifulBoss
      on January 7, 2014 at 9:41 pm
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      Sorry to hijack your post Arbiter,

      But since you guys were already on the topic, I thought I’d jump in and ask a few questions.

      I have been doing pickup for a year now, have done 1500-2000 approaches, but still haven’t gotten laid. I think I may have pinpointed my issue. I will try to explain it via an example, from a date that I went on, and then I will ask my question.

      I opened this cute HB8.5 on POF, she replied and we talked back and forth for a bit before she said I had very luscious lips, to which I replied that they are very kissable. Shortly thereafter I asked her on a date, she agreed. I didn’t really plan anything other than getting a coffee and walking around the city, because I don’t have a place downtown in the city (neither did she, she lived with her parents just like me).

      We met up as agreed, and this girl looked very good. She was in a nice dress (it was summer), and high heels with makeup making her look very sexy. Being inexperienced in this whole seduction thing, and somewhat afraid I took her to a park some distance away and we sat down and talked. I tried light kino, but never kissed her (I don’t remember if I went for the kiss, it was a while ago) and then after talking in the park for a while I decided to take her to walk around to the harbour and sit and look at the view. The date ended when she started complaining she was tired and wanted to go home. Naturally, she stopped replying to texts and I saw her again.

      Now looking back, I realized that she was likely planning to fuck, but I disappointed her.The reason that I never suggested going anywhere was because I don’t have my own place to take a girl but the most important reason is, I am afraid. I do not have experience in sexing up girls so I wasn’t sure how to get to the fucking.

      Finally, for my question. Can I just simply suggest to a girl, lets go to a hotel and grab some drinks/watch a movie,etc? Do I need to really plan elaborate dates? It seems outside of my reality that women would want to fuck on a first date, does that even happen? How do I make it not awkward?

      In this example, could I have suggested to go grab some food and drinks at a hotel? (if you guys have better plausible deniability please share).

      Help would be appreciated.


      • YaReally
        on January 8, 2014 at 1:39 am
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        lol no worries. You diagnosed your own problem which comes down to two things:

        1) you didn’t plan ahead so you were moving sideways stalling for time waiting for her to give a green light or make a move, VS moving forward toward a specific goal (isolation in a place you can fuck). This is super common, even guys with game fuck this up. Use the Search at my archives (click my name) for “day 2″ and “logistics”. She “got tired” and left because she realized you weren’t going to move things forward, only sideways, and her ASD won’t let HER move things forward (that would be slutty) even tho she wants them to, so eventually she gives up and goes home frustrated that she put all that work into looking nice for you and didn’t get laid lol

        2) you’ll have to think outside the box more, till you move away from home. Here are some ideas:

        - go to a hotel lounge for drinks and get a room together

        - say you have a hotel room and grab some booze to drink in it then just rent one when you get to a hotel lol

        - take her to a restaraunt (or a McDonald’s lol) and bang her in the bathroom (check beforehand for how out of sight the bathrooms are and where security cams are etc)

        - get a hotel room under the pretense of just watching some movies and having drinks together then escalate when you’re in there

        - take her into a hotel stairwell and escalate and bang in it (to save spending $ on a hotel room lol)

        - take her into a bar bathroom

        - fingerbang her on a crowded dance floor where it’s too crowded for anyone to look down and notice

        - bang her in an alleyway, just pin her against the wall and makeout and go from there, VS verbalizing “do you want to go have sex in this alleyway?” Lol

        - bang her in a change room in a clothing store in a mall

        - bang her in a mall bathroom stall

        - bang her at a buddy’s house

        - sneak her into your bedroom thru a window or find a way to get your parents out of the house for a few hours or sneak her in after they’ve gone to sleep or while they’re at work

        - fool around behind some bushes in the park

        For a lot of these bathroom/stairwell ones you might trigger her ASD/LMR because it’s not nearly as smooth/comforting as having your own place, in which case back off and try again instead of forcing it and looking like a rapist dragging a girl into an alleyway lol. Like she might need privacy to feel comfortable.

        Ideally if you have the money, rent a hotel room ahead of time so you can just smoothly transition to it instead of her having to wait in a brightly lit lobby while you fill out credit card info etc and possibly gve her ASD time to kick in.

        If you had dropped $50 for a cheap hotel room and taken her there to “watch a movie”, you’d have banged her. She wanted to bone you at the “luscious lips” comment lol. Sure $50 is a lot to risk, but when you wake up to her going down on you the next morning after a night of banging, you’ll think “best $50 I ever spent” lol

        Don’t worry, you’ll come up with a solution. And one day you’ll live on your own and not even have to worry about a lot of this…but definitely don’t wait until then to game girls, cause like I say you could’ve had this one.


        • YaReally
          on January 8, 2014 at 1:41 am
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          Oh also a car works too. Borrow your parents car to go “visit a buddy” or something and then find a quiet dark place you can park and bang.



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Arbiter
on January 6, 2014 at 4:30 pm
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A woman, if asked, will always say she wants a man “who respects her need to take it slow”, but in reality, where her words meet the unstoppable force of her tingles, a chivalrous gentleman’s pose is the equivalent of downselling

So true. In mid-December I started talking to a girl who took the same train as me. I had given her glances before we stepped onboard, she did the same, and then I came up with an excuse to talk when we were sitting on opposite sides of the isle.

I got her number and email address, and invited her over to my place next week – by amazing luck, we lived very close to each other. I never had it that easy geographically before.

When we were at my place we were going to watch a movie. Wise from manosphere participation I put my arm around her as soon as we sat down in the couch. There is another touch I like to add, putting a blanket over both your laps, which kind of brings you together and makes it natural to put your arm around her. Then I kissed her hair. She was a bit surprised, but my timing with her was right. But in my pre-alpha days I believe I wouldn’t have made that approach. I might not even have talked to her in the first place, even though she had given me tell-tale glances.

Part of it is building a solid foundation, through weightlifting, a stable job, etc. Part of it is creating opportunity and more opportunity – it wasn’t luck that I met this girl or any other, it was part of an effort to get out there instead of staying at home. (Aside from “just be yourself” I also hate the “You’ll find someone when you least expect it” phrase women use.) And part of it is knowing what to do and say in a relaxed manner. None of it is chivalry the way betas understand chivalry – saying “Look at me, I’m chivalrous! And I’ll help you with anything you ask for!”


  • Tilikum
    on January 6, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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    “in my pre-alpha days”

    turns out that your still in em. because er…….i figured sunglasses kid was you. ya know, because of all your explaining.


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 12:28 am
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      “getting bored though.”

      So leave. It’s not like you contribute anything positive anyway.

      …but you won’t, of course lol


  • Steve Johnson
    on January 6, 2014 at 5:59 pm
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    She accepted an invite to go to your apartment and watch a movie.

    Congrats on immediately putting your arm around her but she was DTF.

    Baby steps I guess – we’ve all been there.

    I can’t believe how much pussy was being thrown at me in life that I was oblivious to.


    • YaReally
      on January 6, 2014 at 11:15 pm
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      One of the biggest revelations for guys swallowing the red pill is the reality that girls LIKE sex. And try WANT sex and actively try to SEEK sex. It’s not some reward they “let” us have…she doesn’t want to just watch the movie and not make out and not get laid anymore than you do…that said, you still have to work around her ASD/LMR smoothly instead of just opening your door naked lol although even that could work.

      When you legitimately view banging a girl as YOU doing HER a favor and see her as being the one who gets more out of “getting to” sleep with you, that’s when you know you’ve internalized high-value thinking.


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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      @Arbiter
      “in that case the girls you meet are more outspoken than the ones I find”

      A lot of it comes from the frame you set and how comfortable/casual she feels you are about sex. Like a lot of the girls I’ve been with who talk sex with me don’t do that with other guys. Their friends, guys and girls, think they’re super innocent shy flowers, but it’s just that those people haven’t created an environment where she feels like she won’t be judged for talking about sex.

      I’m not saying there aren’t different sex drive levels in girls ’cause obviously there are, but I would put it like: a blue pill AFC guy experiences girls as a 90:10 ratio of outspoken/sexual/horny/high-drive/slutty girls to innocent/shy/low-drive/good-girls…a guy who has game but who isn’t really sexually aggressive (which is how your game sounds, with inviting her over for a movie and sitting on the couch and putting a blanket on her and such), like the cool high-value guy who’s still kind of gentlemanly like George Clooney or Brad Pitt experiences like a 50:50 ratio. And a guy who knows game but who’s also unapologetically sexual right from the word “hello” like Russell Brand or Robbie Williams experiences a 90:10 ratio.

      I didn’t view it this way myself until I started upping the sexuality of my game and saw first-hand what was going on, seeing how girls would act around me VS their social circles or other guys they were dating or even their boyfriends/husbands etc.

      This is why I make fun of the madonna/whore complex guys, because a lot of them simply haven’t gone far enough to the other side to even comprehend that most of the girls they think are madonnas are simply girls who don’t view them as the kind of guy they can share their whore side with. That doesn’t mean those guys are shitty people or anything, it just means they haven’t pushed their game as far into highly sexual territory as they could.


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 5:43 pm
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      Greg and Matt’s replies to you being prime examples of my point lol Thanks for the demo of the 90:10 category, gentlemen.


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 5:47 pm
      Original Link

      ah shit:

      “a blue pill AFC guy experiences girls as a 90:10 ratio of outspoken/sexual/horny/high-drive/slutty girls to innocent/shy/low-drive/good-girls…”

      “Thanks for the demo of the 90:10 category”

      whoops lol. Both of those were meant to be 10:90, aka slutty girls are just the drunk bar whores that “any guy can get”, and the rest of girls, especially in EE or Asia, are all innocent madonna virgins who don’t think about sex. Sorry, I was up late, it’s been a good New Year so far lol


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 12:33 am
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      “Not because we’re afraid you’re going to make us do something we don’t want to do, but because the temptation to do something we DO want to do will be too great.”

      Every guy learning game needs to read, ubderstand, and fully internalize this. Perfectly put.

      This is what drives behaviors like mother hens dragging girls off to the bathroom…they see their friend getting too attracted too fast and they know she’ll be too tempted to do something she wants to do but for whatever reason (boyfriend, not wanting to be a slut, etc) is trying not to do, so they forcibly drag her off, sometimes against her wishes in the moment, so her buying temperature can settle back down and she can regain her composure. That’s why often when they come back from the bathroom the girl you had super attracted now acts like an ice queen to you, because she’s trying to regain the upper hand now that she has her composure back.

      It’s annoying but completely logical. Women know that their emotions can overpower their logic, but they’ve created safe-guards to try to prevent that. PUA is about disarming those safe-guards so that she can do something she WANTS to do.


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 12:56 am
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      @Arbiter

      “@YaReally: Well, after we have had sex, I certainly talk sex with them.”

      Right, but even then you’re getting the “how I act with a guy I’ve already had sex with persona, which is closer to her Freudian id than the “how I act with a guy I think will judge me for wanting sex”, but still not the “how I act with a guy who makes me comfortable talking about sex in the first 5 minutes we’ve met” self.

      That’s why the guy above had girls tell him “you could’ve just asked”, because he wasn’t in that category where they’d tell him flat out that they want to fuck even tho he learned after the fact (once they were eventually comfortable enough to display that side of them to him) that they were “slutty”. At the time, when he wasn’t privvy to that knowledge because he didn’t make them comfortable enough to share it, he viewed them as not the type of girl you could just say “hey wanna fuck?” to.

      I’m not talking shit about your game/style or anything, I’m just saying when you invite a girl over you actually sit on the couch and out a blanket on her to escalate during a movie…I used to do that too, and it works just fine, but these days, now that I’ve upped how sexual my interactions with girls are right from “hello”, when they come over I don’t even have a movie or blanket setup because I pin them against the wall at my doorway, makeout, and carry them to the bedroom a few minutes later.

      There’s another level you can get to past the Clooney/Pitt style game, but 1) it’s totally not necessary, and 2) it doesn’t mean your game sucks or anything just that Russell Brand and George Clooney experience the same girl differently based on their vibe/sexuality.

      ““AFC”, do I detect a SoSuave reader?”

      lol no. Tho I skim it for entertainment now and then. AFC is from the old PUA days when there was basically only one board for pickup discussion (fastseduction). SoSuave is like game-lite, for guys who are scared to go all the way into pickup and want to retain their blue pill conditioning of not being one of those dirty stinky “PUA”s. The guys there will never get very good because they’re still clinging to the social conditioning of trying to be Don Juan or James Bond. rooshV forum has the same problem but the guys there are more willing to explore the extreme/darker sides of pickup. Part of why I post here is that CH has a no-holds-barred “whatever works” attitude that’s far more conducive to evolving game as an art-form/knowledge-base.

      SoSuave is like the safety scissors version of PUA…still able to cut better than using your bare hands but they’re nowhere near as skilled or efficient as they could be.


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 1:16 am
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      “Several readers then posted about how those girls were all sluts who probably slept with every guy they visited. He wrote, no, they were decent, academic girls, many of them said they had only slept with one or two guys before. He just had good game and he had figured out a routine. But of course they wouldn’t believe that – it would mean he was better than they. So they had to find the explanation for his success rate elsewhere, and found it in “Women Are Sluts (if they sleep with other guys but not with me)”.”

      Ya this is exactly what I’m talking about. Those guys can’t get good because their ego/conditioning is too invested. It’s why people think I must only get drunk bar sluts that “anyone can bang” and can’t wrap their heads around the fact that despite my preference for bars I’ve pulled high-quality sober tail in day-time environs that they couldn’t even get close to. So they have to rationalize that the girls must be fucked up, clinging to their social conditioning and belief in the Madonna/whore complex. Safety scissors version of game.

      “It is all too common in the “manosphere” that the losers hate the doers.”

      Yep. In the old days of pickup when I started the environment on fastseduction was different. It was a golden time because we all KNEW that none of us knew shit about how attraction works…that’s how we FOUND the place, by admitting we didn’t know shit and googling “how do I get a girlfriend?” So any theories proposed were responded to with “go out and try it 20 times and tell us your results, then we’ll all go out and try it 20 times and compare notes and figure out what the commonalities are in the successful results and tweak it and then all try it 20 more times”. There wasn’t much ego involved because there was nothing to be an “expert” in yet since the analysis of attraction/game was just starting.

      Now EVERY dude who reads a few game articles or forums is a fucking expert who considers himself knowledgable enough to dish out advice to other people about how shit works, even tho they’ve never actually gone out and applied it as seen/experienced it first-hand. They just get into dick-waving sword fights over who’s theory is more likely and that’s where you get guys like Matt King who think you don’t have to actually go out and get laid to have a valid opinion on game.

      When I started out I was out 3-6 nights a week, 8pm-2am, solo and often sober, approaching 10-20 girls a night, dragging my ass into work exhausted the next day, for years, experimenting and comparing notes. And most of the other guys were doing that too.

      These days newbies replace going out with reading game blogs and waxing theory in comment sections and arguing over how “those girls must be sluts” because they don’t go out and push themselves and their game into areas where they can even relate to some of the shit I explain. They’ve become spectators because there’s so much content available to spectate now. In the old days there was nothing to spectate so we had to go out and experience it first-hand.


  • YaReally
    on January 6, 2014 at 11:09 pm
    Original Link

    @Arbiter

    Ignore these guys, you did good. Props on pushing your comfort zone, that’s where we grow the most.


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 1:39 am
      Original Link

      lol no worries. You diagnosed your own problem which comes down to two things:

      1) you didn’t plan ahead so you were moving sideways stalling for time waiting for her to give a green light or make a move, VS moving forward toward a specific goal (isolation in a place you can fuck). This is super common, even guys with game fuck this up. Use the Search at my archives (click my name) for “day 2″ and “logistics”. She “got tired” and left because she realized you weren’t going to move things forward, only sideways, and her ASD won’t let HER move things forward (that would be slutty) even tho she wants them to, so eventually she gives up and goes home frustrated that she put all that work into looking nice for you and didn’t get laid lol

      2) you’ll have to think outside the box more, till you move away from home. Here are some ideas:

      – go to a hotel lounge for drinks and get a room together

      – say you have a hotel room and grab some booze to drink in it then just rent one when you get to a hotel lol

      – take her to a restaraunt (or a McDonald’s lol) and bang her in the bathroom (check beforehand for how out of sight the bathrooms are and where security cams are etc)

      – get a hotel room under the pretense of just watching some movies and having drinks together then escalate when you’re in there

      – take her into a hotel stairwell and escalate and bang in it (to save spending $ on a hotel room lol)

      – take her into a bar bathroom

      – fingerbang her on a crowded dance floor where it’s too crowded for anyone to look down and notice

      – bang her in an alleyway, just pin her against the wall and makeout and go from there, VS verbalizing “do you want to go have sex in this alleyway?” Lol

      – bang her in a change room in a clothing store in a mall

      – bang her in a mall bathroom stall

      – bang her at a buddy’s house

      – sneak her into your bedroom thru a window or find a way to get your parents out of the house for a few hours or sneak her in after they’ve gone to sleep or while they’re at work

      – fool around behind some bushes in the park

      For a lot of these bathroom/stairwell ones you might trigger her ASD/LMR because it’s not nearly as smooth/comforting as having your own place, in which case back off and try again instead of forcing it and looking like a rapist dragging a girl into an alleyway lol. Like she might need privacy to feel comfortable.

      Ideally if you have the money, rent a hotel room ahead of time so you can just smoothly transition to it instead of her having to wait in a brightly lit lobby while you fill out credit card info etc and possibly gve her ASD time to kick in.

      If you had dropped $50 for a cheap hotel room and taken her there to “watch a movie”, you’d have banged her. She wanted to bone you at the “luscious lips” comment lol. Sure $50 is a lot to risk, but when you wake up to her going down on you the next morning after a night of banging, you’ll think “best $50 I ever spent” lol

      Don’t worry, you’ll come up with a solution. And one day you’ll live on your own and not even have to worry about a lot of this…but definitely don’t wait until then to game girls, cause like I say you could’ve had this one.


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 1:41 am
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      Oh also a car works too. Borrow your parents car to go “visit a buddy” or something and then find a quiet dark place you can park and bang.



Live-Evil
on January 6, 2014 at 6:04 pm
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Ha interesting, you block your real name in the comments!

[CH: No, but nyone who attempts to out exes or enemies or whatnot in these comments will be banned. People should not expect to play out their personal dramas in the comments section of this blog.]


  • YaReally
    on January 6, 2014 at 11:37 pm
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    On that note, I would blur the dude’s pics. The guy has it bad enough already, someone at his school/work/etc recognizing him and a subsequent reddit style onslaught of public/Internet humiliation is more likely to send this one down the suicide route than the “okay I’m determined to learn about this game stuff now!” route.

    Really SHE should’ve left his pic out before posting it, like she did with hers. That’s a pretty dick thing to do, but it tells you how expendable guys like this are to girls…they don’t have any feelings or humanity and are basically invisible at best, and disgusting annoyances at worst. A guy like this isn’t Eve a human being to a lot of girls.



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derp
on January 6, 2014 at 10:25 pm
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the problem with PUA is that it’s meaninglessly contradictory. if you don’t approach girls enough you’re beta. if you approach them too much you’re beta. if you put yourself down you’re displaying low value. but then again if you put yourself down you’re negging.

PUA is a set of contradictory barnum statements which can be used to justify absolutely any approach.


  • YaReally
    on January 6, 2014 at 11:29 pm
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    It’s an art. There isn’t one way to paint a bowl of fruit. Calibration is what makes all the difference…newbies and spergs often have a hard time grasping that because they aren’t socially aware/experienced enough to read what the other person is feeling.


    • walawala
      on January 6, 2014 at 11:42 pm
      Original Link

      Happy New Year YaReally!

      Your forecasts and advice were awesome.


      • YaReally
        on January 6, 2014 at 11:58 pm
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        @walawala

        Thanks dude, same to you!

        Stick to your Soft Next, ideally vanish completely from those social functions she attends if you can till after Valentine’s Day, it’s only a month away and V-Day is like rocket-fuel for a girl’s hamster when she’s stuck in a Soft Next and hasn’t heard from or seen you in since New Years. And then definitely don’t txt her on Valentine’s Day.

        Its theoretically possible that this combo (vanishing + V-Day) could cause her to finally give up. Like if she doesn’t see/hear from you till after V-Day and then you can keep avoiding interacting with her till the end of Feb, that could be enough to make her give up and assume you met someone else etc. which could end up with you being able to let her back into your life as early as summer.

        But then you’ll have to ask yourself if you really WANT her back in your life, seeing her and all her flaws the way you see them now. ;)


        • haunted trilobite
          on January 7, 2014 at 11:22 am
          Original Link

          And smelling the faint miasma of sperm milkshake from all the guys she’s turned up her ass to while you two were ‘on the outs’.


          • YaReally
            on January 7, 2014 at 12:24 pm
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            I can almost guarantee that her hypergamy means she hasn’t done anything more than make-out with another guy, and possibly not even that. She might go on a Valentine’s Day date, but she’ll be comparing him to walawala the whole time.

            Even if she ignored her hypergamy/obsession for walawala, she would maybe go out with a guy and maybe even consider him her “boyfriend”, but she isn’t out getting 50 dicks up her ass, and walawala would be able to snap his fingers and have her dump whatever gay boyfriend she lets take her out for Valentine’s.

            Experience VS theory on this one, no offense.


          • YaReally
            on January 8, 2014 at 6:22 am
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            “It’s not my place to be cynical and introduce the element of doubt about whether this snowflake is really too special.”

            It’s not about her being special. It’s about her being the same as every other woman: ruled by her hypergamous instincts to bed the highest-value male she finds. Walawala is the highest-value male she can find, ergo she has no interest in other men because she compares them to him.

            Imagine if you met a girl you thought was the hottest girl you’ve ever seen, and at the exact moment you met her, every other girl in the world became a 300lbs man-jawed feminist with 4 kids from different dads. If that amazing girl was mad at you for something you did wrong and feel bad about, would you try to get back into her good graces, or would you go stick your dick in 50 of those 300lbs man-jawed feminist snatches?

            That’s what hypergamy is.



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derp
on January 6, 2014 at 10:25 pm
Original Link

the problem with PUA is that it’s meaninglessly contradictory. if you don’t approach girls enough you’re beta. if you approach them too much you’re beta. if you put yourself down you’re displaying low value. but then again if you put yourself down you’re negging.

PUA is a set of contradictory barnum statements which can be used to justify absolutely any approach.


  • YaReally
    on January 6, 2014 at 11:29 pm
    Original Link

    It’s an art. There isn’t one way to paint a bowl of fruit. Calibration is what makes all the difference…newbies and spergs often have a hard time grasping that because they aren’t socially aware/experienced enough to read what the other person is feeling.


    • YaReally
      on January 6, 2014 at 11:58 pm
      Original Link

      @walawala

      Thanks dude, same to you!

      Stick to your Soft Next, ideally vanish completely from those social functions she attends if you can till after Valentine’s Day, it’s only a month away and V-Day is like rocket-fuel for a girl’s hamster when she’s stuck in a Soft Next and hasn’t heard from or seen you in since New Years. And then definitely don’t txt her on Valentine’s Day.

      Its theoretically possible that this combo (vanishing + V-Day) could cause her to finally give up. Like if she doesn’t see/hear from you till after V-Day and then you can keep avoiding interacting with her till the end of Feb, that could be enough to make her give up and assume you met someone else etc. which could end up with you being able to let her back into your life as early as summer.

      But then you’ll have to ask yourself if you really WANT her back in your life, seeing her and all her flaws the way you see them now. ;)


    • YaReally
      on January 7, 2014 at 12:24 pm
      Original Link

      I can almost guarantee that her hypergamy means she hasn’t done anything more than make-out with another guy, and possibly not even that. She might go on a Valentine’s Day date, but she’ll be comparing him to walawala the whole time.

      Even if she ignored her hypergamy/obsession for walawala, she would maybe go out with a guy and maybe even consider him her “boyfriend”, but she isn’t out getting 50 dicks up her ass, and walawala would be able to snap his fingers and have her dump whatever gay boyfriend she lets take her out for Valentine’s.

      Experience VS theory on this one, no offense.


    • YaReally
      on January 8, 2014 at 6:22 am
      Original Link

      “It’s not my place to be cynical and introduce the element of doubt about whether this snowflake is really too special.”

      It’s not about her being special. It’s about her being the same as every other woman: ruled by her hypergamous instincts to bed the highest-value male she finds. Walawala is the highest-value male she can find, ergo she has no interest in other men because she compares them to him.

      Imagine if you met a girl you thought was the hottest girl you’ve ever seen, and at the exact moment you met her, every other girl in the world became a 300lbs man-jawed feminist with 4 kids from different dads. If that amazing girl was mad at you for something you did wrong and feel bad about, would you try to get back into her good graces, or would you go stick your dick in 50 of those 300lbs man-jawed feminist snatches?

      That’s what hypergamy is.



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YaReally
on January 6, 2014 at 11:37 pm
Original Link

On that note, I would blur the dude’s pics. The guy has it bad enough already, someone at his school/work/etc recognizing him and a subsequent reddit style onslaught of public/Internet humiliation is more likely to send this one down the suicide route than the “okay I’m determined to learn about this game stuff now!” route.

Really SHE should’ve left his pic out before posting it, like she did with hers. That’s a pretty dick thing to do, but it tells you how expendable guys like this are to girls…they don’t have any feelings or humanity and are basically invisible at best, and disgusting annoyances at worst. A guy like this isn’t Eve a human being to a lot of girls.